1691606;1501545797;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, here's what i can't put to rest : it's not JUST fucking joseph smith, "o i heard them fine folks in rome have this religion thing, ima make one myself out of shit around my log cabin". he's one of the more ridiculous exponents, yes, but he's in no way marginal. not at all. murray rothbard is exactly "oh i heard them folks in paris have a philosophy, ima make one out of old shit in demolished us protest 1691607;1501545797;mircea_popescu;ant churches". 1691608;1501545814;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking country, it's not x or y. this is what america is, this tinkering bs. 1691609;1501545824;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's ``State Of Bitcoin Address'': http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-August/000270.html 1691610;1501545834;mircea_popescu;works a damn sight better when it comes to taking a loud, large british tank and making a marginally acceptable if too late to matter sherman. 1691611;1501546042;mircea_popescu;take say... what, whatever, anything. take mabel dodge luhan, the us clone of anne louise benedicte de bourbon-conde, twpo centuries later. 1691612;1501546043;mircea_popescu;"In 1917 Dodge, her husband, and Elsie Clews Parsons moved to Taos, New Mexico, where she began a literary colony. On the advice of Tony Luhan, a Native American whom she would marry in 1923, she purchased a 12-acre (49,000 m2) property. Luhan set up a teepee in front of her house, drumming each night in an attempt to lure her to him. Although Sterne bought a shotgun with the intention of chasing Luhan off the property, unabl 1691613;1501546043;mircea_popescu;e to use it, he instead took to insulting Dodge. In response, she sent him away, although she supported him financially until the time of their divorce four years later." 1691614;1501546073;mircea_popescu;sounds about right, yes ? except dogs won't read the shit coming out of tepee, new mexico. but otherwise basically the same thing, right ? harvard can be university, just as good as european, neh ? 1691615;1501546870;shinohai;Gracias, mod6 1691616;1501547421;mod6;De nada, shinohai. Thanks for your help! 1691617;1501547661;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683508 << apologies, this is going to take another weekend. the bot wallet service is done, but it occurs to me that it'd be wise to separate the OTP generation from the rest of the services. on one side, a big, complicated wonder of modern computing; on the other, a simple box connected by serial port which can receive OTP requests, generate them, and confirm/ignore OTPs. 1691618;1501547661;a111;Logged on 2017-07-14 16:47 mircea_popescu: aaand trinque, incidentally, as it just occured to me -- can you get deedbot payments online by the end of the month ? seems somewhat likely usg is gonna turn off its "webwallet" bullshits from blockchain.info down. 1691619;1501547736;mircea_popescu;a well 1691620;1501547941;mircea_popescu;!!key f1maze 1691621;1501547943;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/13E7C7232B391BF17116827F11A456582793120E.asc 1691622;1501548140;mircea_popescu;!!rate f1maze 1 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691547 1691623;1501548140;a111;Logged on 2017-07-31 22:09 finitemaz: Hello! To introduce myself... I'm an american structural engineer (if anyone cares about profession) living on the east coast 1691624;1501548141;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FqD8c/?raw=true 1691625;1501548162;mircea_popescu;!!v EF206D71F581306AF305A2467D8CC872159998289AEB4563B3F9960B59E4EB0B 1691626;1501548162;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated f1maze 1 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691547 1691627;1501548167;mircea_popescu;f1maze you can self voice now. 1691628;1501549625;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691608 << aka 'junkyard wars' 1691629;1501549625;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 00:03 mircea_popescu: the whole fucking country, it's not x or y. this is what america is, this tinkering bs. 1691630;1501551648;mircea_popescu;never was anything else. 1691631;1501551665;mircea_popescu;babbage says the same thing, "oh, americans just wanted to know how they could rothbard this item" 1691632;1501551701;asciilifeform;it's == the 'lemme stick the fork in the mains socket' 'creativity' discussed by dutch. 1691633;1501551716;mircea_popescu;managed to confuse the plain absence of a higher cognitive function for a correctly functioning intellect because looked at it in a single case : one where correct function was to stfu. 1691634;1501551723;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed. 1691635;1501551782;mircea_popescu;i had this pet theory whereby ustards were not born tards, but made tards by the Great Spinster Revolt, "civil rights" and welfare state. 1691636;1501551803;shinohai;\o/ 1691637;1501551805;mircea_popescu;but im losing faith in such a notion. 1691638;1501551810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you had earlier theory where they never actually managed to grow a culture 1691639;1501551821;mircea_popescu;this is not so much a theory as a fact. they never did. 1691640;1501551824;asciilifeform;imho moar descriptive of the reality on the ground 1691641;1501551824;asciilifeform;aha 1691642;1501551826;mircea_popescu;but the cause, what be the cause. 1691643;1501551858;asciilifeform;nobody marvels why, e.g., french guiana, never grew a culture, for some reason. 1691644;1501551870;mircea_popescu;do you understand how fucking small that item is ? 1691645;1501551887;asciilifeform;turns out they're both small. in this sense. 1691646;1501551907;mircea_popescu;the french guyana is 30k sq miles, 1mn pop if that. 1691647;1501551914;mircea_popescu;roughly the size of chicago. 1691648;1501551968;mircea_popescu;hm. look at that. a TENTH of the population of chicago. 1691649;1501552020;f1maze;charlie lee talking bitcoin litecoin on cnbc.. I just spit out my drink on my keyboard 1691650;1501552025;f1maze;he even talked about dogecoin 1691651;1501552036;mircea_popescu;which is cnbc ? 1691652;1501552070;f1maze;some main stream news station 1691653;1501552104;mircea_popescu;oh. i thought for some reason "crypto network" blabla. 1691654;1501552124;f1maze;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxWM6rJV0nk&feature=youtu.be 1691655;1501552127;f1maze;cringeworthy 1691656;1501552163;asciilifeform;who the fuck is charlie lee 1691657;1501552183;shinohai;!!gettrust coblee 1691658;1501552183;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: -1 by 1 connections. 1691659;1501552190;shinohai;^ 1691660;1501552199;asciilifeform;some misc scum ? 1691661;1501552210;shinohai;liteshit 1691662;1501552213;f1maze;Yeah, apparently 1691663;1501552222;asciilifeform;did antonoupolus or whoever was the designated talking muppet, slip in the bath? 1691664;1501552237;shinohai;Sadly, no 1691665;1501552334;mircea_popescu;f1maze look at that, cnbc has no show in top 10 ratings, ditched nielesen in protest. lol. 1691666;1501552416;mircea_popescu;then again... check this shit out, us programming is dominated by "game of thrones", way the fuck ahead of disney and discovery channel. which, amusingly enough, are really competitors now. 1691667;1501552430;mircea_popescu;and who is rachel maddow 1691668;1501552480;f1maze;I think Justin Beiber's brother 1691669;1501552498;mircea_popescu;this is the new tonight show ? really ?! 1691670;1501552507;f1maze;sad 1691671;1501552547;mircea_popescu;other than that, it's "wwe raw" 1691672;1501552573;mircea_popescu;is that where they get the slightly aged strippers and do a sort of ... light daytime drama + staged "fights" ? 1691673;1501552646;f1maze;Pretty sure wwe raw and the white house have their own drama... I remember seeing something recently of potus wrestling someone 1691674;1501552665;mircea_popescu;http://www.channel4.com/programmes/smashing-glass-ceilings-the-women-of-wwe <<< "i can't believe they;'re not white latina chicks code!!!" 1691675;1501552708;mircea_popescu;f1maze pity trump;s no andy kaufman. some female wrestling post that whole "i grab them by the pussy" fail-scandal would have worked ok for ratings i imagine. 1691676;1501552793;f1maze;damn, that's true 1691677;1501553036;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691632 << i actually did that as a small child. i was trying to see if you can charge a battery by connecting it directly to the outlet :o 1691678;1501553036;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 01:41 asciilifeform: it's == the 'lemme stick the fork in the mains socket' 'creativity' discussed by dutch. 1691679;1501553089;mircea_popescu;my parents were very careful to explain the ac/dc differences and so on rather early on. 1691680;1501553327;phf;yeah, that makes sense. they used to do those "flowers & bees" conversations (which are apparently now discouraged in america, because some bees are actually flowers!), but nobody really does the basic mechanics of the environment conversations 1691681;1501553343;asciilifeform;lol my folx did 1691682;1501553354;mircea_popescu;i was a very dangerous child ; pretty much the only defense was making sense. 1691683;1501553363;asciilifeform;aha same 1691684;1501553368;asciilifeform;we made gunpowder etc 1691685;1501553395;mircea_popescu;i believe it's teh correct approach. 1691686;1501553397;phf;asciilifeform senior plotting the downfall of soviet union in his garage, aha, runs in the family 1691687;1501553409;mircea_popescu;of course the downside is you end up with these kids who have no problem growing into slavekeeping adults etc. 1691688;1501553411;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's brother also made various nice things, trotyl, tetryl, etc. but asciilifeform never graduated to this, we left for shitlandia prior ) 1691689;1501553446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform flash paper ? 1691690;1501553459;asciilifeform;aha, various 1691691;1501553471;mircea_popescu;flash paper totally worth it. 1691692;1501553493;mircea_popescu;(aka guncotton, ie the item that wasn't there on the "hospital" ship germans sunk) 1691693;1501553534;mircea_popescu;it is, after all, rothbardian human nature for there to be no guncotton on the hospital ship which germans sink. 1691694;1501553625;mircea_popescu;https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/100-years-ago/germany-sinking-hospital-ships << typical lulz. shannonizer engine entirely unchanged in a century. 1691695;1501553780;asciilifeform;archive.is/GK1wmSU << unsurprisingly eggog 1691696;1501553804;mircea_popescu;too long neh 1691697;1501553813;asciilifeform;hm yea 1691698;1501554000;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=GK1wmSU << rando spambot, by all accounts. 1691699;1501554101;mircea_popescu;funny, incidentally, how much of non-tmsr irc consists of join/part spam. apparently 80% or os. 1691700;1501554115;asciilifeform;i suspect 99+ 1691701;1501555720;f1maze;mpex.ws lol 1691702;1501555773;f1maze;if I'm terrible at trading, Eulora probably isnt the game for me, right? lol 1691703;1501556607;mircea_popescu;f1maze plenty of people play without trading. 1691704;1501556621;mircea_popescu;not really clear what type it's for / not for so far. outside of really not being for the innumerate. 1691705;1501556988;f1maze;Great, will give it a try 1691706;1501558034;f1maze;http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ 1691707;1501558043;f1maze;well, I'm glad I came across that 1691708;1501558055;f1maze;scammers everywhere 1691709;1501558130;mod6;^ 1691710;1501558162;f1maze;!!gettrust fluffypony 1691711;1501558163;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1691712;1501558172;f1maze;not sure how that works 1691713;1501558175;f1maze;figured I'd try anyways 1691714;1501558205;mod6;related, "a bankrupt gang of pompous horse's asses" : http://trilema.com/2017/again-with-the-money-laundering-bullshit/ 1691715;1501558374;mircea_popescu;f1maze it tells you how well you know someone. 1691716;1501558382;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust mod6 1691717;1501558382;deedbot;L1: 5, L2: 46 by 26 connections. 1691718;1501558400;mircea_popescu;ie, there's 26 other people could vouch for him if i need them to. 1691719;1501558515;f1maze;How does everyone know eachother so well? 1691720;1501558585;mircea_popescu;many years. 1691721;1501558605;mircea_popescu;and in otehr news, did we do aus dem leben der marionetten ? great film. 1691722;1501558663;f1maze;mod6: even more related I have a meeting with my new tax accountant next week because I was an idiot and brought cold storage online -- did a couple big trades on GDAX (lost big too) a couple months ago. Now I'm nervous 1691723;1501558669;mod6;http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-aus-dem-leben-der-marionetten/ 1691724;1501558683;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah but you know, 2011. 1691725;1501558739;mod6;ah, right. all .ro. i used to just translate the stuff. however, it was mentioned in the logs, since im not sure what exactly is being lost in such translations. 1691726;1501558786;mircea_popescu;i was reading the ro review and it came out "better rewrite than translate". 1691727;1501558790;mircea_popescu;this happens a lot sadly. 1691728;1501558894;mod6;I wish I could learn a lang in six weeks. 1691729;1501558903;mircea_popescu;only works after the 12th. 1691730;1501558914;mod6;I suppose for me, the trouble with my german and spanish is usage. i never get to use it, so I tend to lose it :< 1691731;1501558915;mircea_popescu;it's like a volume discount package. 1691732;1501558972;mod6;I learned german first, and that took me about 6mos to a year when i was 11 or 12. then when i was ~18 i learned spanish in like... well pretty quick, 2-3 mos. its easy. 1691733;1501558986;mod6;but again, i never get to use it. 1691734;1501558991;mircea_popescu;espanisho no is difficulto. 1691735;1501559038;mod6;verb conjugation is easy 1691736;1501559052;mod6;german felt like it was way harder. 1691737;1501559074;mircea_popescu;anyway, portuguese and spanish are the lulziest in this vein. at some party i chatted with this girl for a little, and eventually i asked her why does she have such a thick accent ? "because i'm speaking portuguese". 1691738;1501559088;mod6;yeah, they are pretty close huh 1691739;1501559092;mircea_popescu;i was buzzed enough to not have noticed, but i was talking spanish at her and she was talking portuguese back at me 1691740;1501559101;mod6;lol. nice. 1691741;1501559123;mod6;immersion is definately a good way to learn 1691742;1501559139;mircea_popescu;i trust no other. 1691743;1501559147;mircea_popescu;precisely because as you say, then you lose it. 1691744;1501559152;mod6;i've been trying to pick up some russian just from all the damn unicode pasted in here. 1691745;1501559157;mircea_popescu;lol 1691746;1501559178;mod6;at least, character to english letter combo transations. 1691747;1501559216;mircea_popescu;russian is easy. Xулы?! Нихуя! Нехуй расхуяривать ! Hахуячено нехуево! Похуйярили! is really all you need. 1691748;1501559254;mod6;hah 1691749;1501559255;phf;хуясе? 1691750;1501559300;mircea_popescu;holy shit im the only source for this on the internets ? 1691751;1501559302;mircea_popescu;ffs. 1691752;1501559385;phf;this version is not bad either "- Хуяссе. Охуели? Нахуя дохуя хуйни нахуярили? Розхуяривайте нахуй. - Нихуя, хули. Захуярено нехуево, нахуя расхуяривать?" 1691753;1501559409;mircea_popescu;ha 1691754;1501559475;mircea_popescu;mod6 the idea being that the russian grammar is so descriptive, an vocabulary isn't really needed. you can express yourself on the strength of grammatical structure and arbitrarily chosen verb + noun. 1691755;1501559535;mod6;heheh, interesting 1691756;1501559554;mod6;I noticed, four different words for 'fucking': ????? ????? ????? ????????? 1691757;1501559562;mod6;bah, irssi fail 1691758;1501559608;mircea_popescu;it's all dicks, huy. just you know, dis-dick-entangle and un-dick-bother and whatnot. 1691759;1501559609;mod6;\u041d\u0430\u0445\u0443\u044f \u0434\u043e\u0445\u0443\u044f \u0445\u0443\u0439\u043d\u0438 \u043d\u0430\u0445\u0443\u044f\u0440\u0438\u043b\u0438 1691760;1501559636;mircea_popescu;actually proper english structuring of mat would be a fine exercise for learning either. though more in the phd level of things. 1691761;1501559636;mod6;my apologies. apparently my thing only does ascii. 1691762;1501559692;mircea_popescu;phf at any rate i have proof! of some cursory russian interest even before meeting alf! 1691763;1501559695;phf;the translation could be "what the hell. you guys lost it? why did you build so much stuff? break it down no matter what. - no way, why? it's not such a bad work, why break it down?" 1691764;1501559706;mircea_popescu;phf no but i mean the FORMAL translation. 1691765;1501559732;phf;err, i started translating before that sentence about "actually proper english..." etc. 1691766;1501559765;mod6;I tell people all the time here that people not even from here speak/write better english than we do. 1691767;1501559777;mircea_popescu;"what the dick, are you dicked ? why the dickendicking! disdick the dick! dicks dick! dicker dick, why dick with it ?" 1691768;1501559784;mod6;It's crazy. I'm guilty of this as well. My spelling is horrid. 1691769;1501559795;phf;i'm not even sure how i would approach above sentence if i was trying to fully relay the nuance and the ambiguity 1691770;1501559812;mircea_popescu;phf and not using any word ROOT that's not you know, dick. 1691771;1501559819;mod6; /topic what the dick, are you dicked ? why the dickendicking! disdick the dick! dicks dick! dicker dick, why dick with it ? 1691772;1501559824;mircea_popescu;lol 1691773;1501559848;mod6;dicker dick, why dick with it? dick. 1691774;1501559852;mircea_popescu;i think "dick" makes, phonetically, a better huy than cock or anything else. has a nice ring to it. 1691775;1501559877;mod6;it kinda rolls off easier 'eh 1691776;1501559883;phf;dick dick dick dick dick dick dick - how many dicks was that? - alot 1691777;1501559886;mircea_popescu;course it makes anyone attempting to use it orally sound like a pail full of bearing balls, but hey. 1691778;1501559895;mod6;phf: lol 1691779;1501559913;mircea_popescu;reservoir dogs was like teh weakest of the lot. 1691780;1501559932;mod6;you didn't like?! 1691781;1501559945;mircea_popescu;i liked, sure. but the others seemed better. 1691782;1501559958;mircea_popescu;even the explanation of what madonna's "like a virgin" means seemed outta place. 1691783;1501559967;mod6;Harvey Keitel was great in that 1691784;1501559977;mircea_popescu;true. possibly his best role. 1691785;1501560008;mod6;yeah, the madonna scene seems a bit forced or something. 1691786;1501560031;mircea_popescu;and tha tschmuck, what's his name. the fat kid, "son of boss" whatever. he's a terrible actor and drags the whole thing down. 1691787;1501560043;mod6;oh Chris.. something or other 1691788;1501560058;mircea_popescu;chris penn ya 1691789;1501560064;mod6;ya 1691790;1501560065;mod6;thats it 1691791;1501560076;mircea_popescu;he's for rom coms and "true to life" films about hackers / stock exchange brokers / etc plox. 1691792;1501560121;mircea_popescu;but, yes, not terrible. you wanna see terrible, watch poolhall junkies. 1691793;1501560142;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dH0WR/?raw=true 1691794;1501560150;mircea_popescu;got chazz palminteri AND christopher walken, and plays like the 3rd placed highschool media lab production for 1986. 1691795;1501560166;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/qntra-s-qntr-july-2017-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2017 Report 1691796;1501560170;deedbot;accepted: 1 1691797;1501560215;mod6;i'll have to checkout poolhall junkies 1691798;1501560257;phf;i think i watched it on trilema review, ended up skipping through mostly 1691799;1501560363;BingoBoingo; is that where they get the slightly aged strippers and do a sort of ... light daytime drama + staged "fights" ? << Yeah, then smackdown's the one they painted blue 1691800;1501560383;mircea_popescu;oh i wrote it ? 1691801;1501560424;mircea_popescu;ah yes, because of the whole stakhanovism bs 1691802;1501560537;BingoBoingo; but again, i never get to use it. << Get a lumber yard gig 1691803;1501560548;mircea_popescu;i expect nothing but spanish spoken huh 1691804;1501560615;mod6;yeah, i've got some friends who learned/speak spanish now because of their co-workers. 1691805;1501560622;mod6;but it's generally a weird spanglish mix 1691806;1501560748;BingoBoingo;Nah, lots of English spoken by hobbyists who "just want to" and maintenance folk. 1691807;1501560758;mod6;ah 1691808;1501560760;BingoBoingo;Good builders speak spanish 1691809;1501560801;BingoBoingo;Most spanish speakers will speak a weird spanglish to Gringos, until you make them stop and speak spanish 1691810;1501560829;BingoBoingo;You pick up a lot of vocabulary with "Como se dice" 1691811;1501560836;BingoBoingo;And pointing 1691812;1501560848;mircea_popescu;"como se dice follar ?" "no se dice. se hace." 1691813;1501560900;BingoBoingo; oh Chris.. something or other << Chris Farley 1691814;1501560910;mod6;na, Chris Penn, MP has it. 1691815;1501560915;mod6;I just couldn't remember 1691816;1501560923;BingoBoingo;Ah 1691817;1501560933;mircea_popescu;his brother was pretty hot in that newman way, cca 1980. 1691818;1501560950;BingoBoingo;Now Sean Penn is mega roided up 1691819;1501560994;mircea_popescu;myeah 1691820;1501560997;mod6;he was married to Madonna for a while 'eh? 1691821;1501561025;mod6;shit, 30+ years ago iirc 1691822;1501561029;BingoBoingo;In his current straight to netflix gig's he's been Stalone in the 1970's and Arnold in the early 80's type 8-4% bodyfat sorta cut, but that mass dun impress on screen no more 1691823;1501561040;mircea_popescu;was he ? 1691824;1501561072;BingoBoingo;Now was, is now. 1691825;1501561090;mircea_popescu;honestly i thought madonna was married to a horse. 1691826;1501561093;mircea_popescu;a female horse. 1691827;1501561100;BingoBoingo;Before was a sorta paul newman/tom cruise but with horse face 1691828;1501561124;BingoBoingo;Now Sean Penn is low rent action figure with OLD sarah jessica parker horse face 1691829;1501561134;phf;i sort of assumed that chris penn and jonah hill is the same person. there was probably one in the 60-70s also 1691830;1501561146;mircea_popescu;o yeah, what ever became of that "talented" shithead ? 1691831;1501561155;BingoBoingo;!!up fromdeedbot 1691832;1501561156;deedbot;fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1691833;1501561165;mircea_popescu;somehow these people don't seem to observe the contradiction between "talented" and "15 minutes of fauxfame" 1691834;1501561169;BingoBoingo;fromdeedbot: WHo is your daddy, and what does he do? 1691835;1501561178;fromdeedbot;It's not a tumor! 1691836;1501561194;BingoBoingo;It is a tumor 1691837;1501561204;mircea_popescu;wait, wut ? 1691838;1501561231;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Age testing the n00bs 1691839;1501561257;mircea_popescu;phf i had to google this hill dood, and i still don't know who he is. 1691840;1501561279;mod6;he was in a movie 'superbad', among some others. 1691841;1501561284;mircea_popescu;uncredited in walk hard. mmkay ? 1691842;1501561320;mod6;Emma Stone was the main attraction in Superbad. 1691843;1501561326;mircea_popescu;imdb lists 60 credits and he's not been in anything. da fuck. 1691844;1501561372;mircea_popescu;mod6 is emma stone the pubescent chick from that franchise with the schoolhouse "wizards" and whatnot ? 1691845;1501561386;mod6;dunno /me looks 1691846;1501561390;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Hill's in pantsuit propaganda flicks, aka post humor stoner comedies 1691847;1501561412;mircea_popescu;"post humour" ie cancerous faggotry ? mmmmmkay. 1691848;1501561466;mod6;mircea_popescu: maybe you're thinking of "Jennifer Stone" ? 1691849;1501561489;BingoBoingo;yeah 1691850;1501561498;mod6;Wizards of Waverly Place or some shit 1691851;1501561520;BingoBoingo;The fanfic thing, it's an emma 1691852;1501561528;mod6;ah, hmm. dunno. 1691853;1501561538;mod6;Anyway /me likes redheads :] 1691854;1501561563;mircea_popescu;whisper in my ear clarifies i was thinking of one emma watson. 1691855;1501561569;phf;i saw him in the horrible wolf of wall street and then later in war dogs. both are millennial updates of greater movies, later one being a take on "lord of war". he basically plays the same character, young annoying and smug jew who gets what he wants on chutzpah, until he doesn't. 1691856;1501561605;mod6;ahh, emma watson ya. from the wizard thing, gotcha. 1691857;1501561643;mod6;phf: lol 1691858;1501561645;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, the libertards are exactly so described. they dare do the whole trilema rewrite thing, except their results aren't "the original improved, because closer to mp". their results are "the original, destroyed". 1691859;1501561661;mircea_popescu;chutzpah is not for schmucks! 1691860;1501561710;BingoBoingo;In other chutzpah https://archive.is/popJa 1691861;1501561720;phf;there's nothing good about any of this. i thought scorsese would know better, but there's no defense against old age 1691862;1501561738;mircea_popescu;phf and fucking anthony hopkins! wasting his time with the inane netflix crap! and ... 1691863;1501561762;mircea_popescu;well hgonestly, all of them. pacino doing bullshit incomprehensible, they all drank dumbweed. 1691864;1501561787;BingoBoingo;*smoked dumbweed 1691865;1501561787;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait, was that nigger in the trilema sense ?! 1691866;1501561811;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Everyone in that story, yes 1691867;1501561817;mircea_popescu;heh 1691868;1501561823;BingoBoingo;And the visual spectrum sense too 1691869;1501561861;*;mircea_popescu goes back to bergman. 1691870;1501561912;phf;dead directors won't have a chance to disappoint, there's a joke there somewhere about ex wives 1691871;1501562394;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1691872;1501562397;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1691873;1501562398;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 478505 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 1302 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1691874;1501562410;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2871.0, vol: 10949.50050683 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2871.7, vol: 26690.41450288 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2878.830513, vol: 8754.72170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2900.327, vol: 7988.46455973 | Volume-weighted last average: 2876.91203784 1691875;1501565021;mircea_popescu;!!up guest846723 1691876;1501565021;deedbot;guest846723 voiced for 30 minutes. 1691877;1501565031;mircea_popescu;guest846723 did you want to say something ? 1691878;1501572067;BingoBoingo;Ouija board https://archive.is/rb43A 1691879;1501572298;jurov;shinohai: it looks it's now OK? 1691880;1501580096;jurov;BingoBoingo: how could 2626+260 == 3993 ???? 1691881;1501580117;jurov;you wrote the report sober or sth? 1691882;1501580336;jurov;oh the morning broke, i get it 1691883;1501587617;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691879 <<< Yes jurov, it appears it was on mpex side .... sorry for the inconvenience. 1691884;1501587617;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 07:24 jurov: shinohai: it looks it's now OK? 1691885;1501597095;shinohai;"Bitcoin Cash fork has still not mined a >1mb block and is now 8 blocks behind the Bitcoin blockchain." <<1mb block and is now 8 blocks behind the Bitcoin blockchain." <<1mb block and is now 8 blocks behind the Bitcoin blockchain." << afaik the sticking points are drivers and bootloaders. <<< yes, which is why the way danielpbarron packaged the deal is so intelligent. 1692013;1501608917;mircea_popescu;basically, he's ~= RHEL by his lone self. 1692014;1501608938;asciilifeform;iirc he has a crate of pogos also. could sell these as well gentooated. 1692015;1501608939;BingoBoingo; ^ what even means to have an 'exchange rate' for a shitcoin where nobody can mine a block ? how do you MOVE it << Comments section is for the lulling about their insufficiency 1692016;1501608950;mircea_popescu;my crate of pogos lol. 1692017;1501608962;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you wanna put it on teh market ? 1692018;1501608989;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you don't understand, d00d! IT WAS FOR THE MASSES! THE DEMAND! PENT UP! 1692019;1501609005;asciilifeform;i suspect the pogos would fetch moar moolah if there were yet a gentoo for it 1692020;1501609011;mircea_popescu;i don't think niggers & pantsuits got so badly humiliated by anything in history. bitcoin rocks lol. 1692021;1501609018;asciilifeform;but should not take much sweat to cook one, use my recipe 1692022;1501609020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda the idea. 1692023;1501609036;asciilifeform;( the kernel bringup is the fiddly bit, and i got it going nice an' smooth ) 1692024;1501609059;asciilifeform;i also have a port for that other pogo-like thing, whose name escapes me at the present moment, 4 core beast, fiddybux or so 1692025;1501609082;shinohai;asciilifeform: You had recipe to gentoo-ize the pogo? 1692026;1501609091;asciilifeform;shinohai: linuxize 1692027;1501609094;shinohai;I think I spoke breifly w/ danielpbarron abt it 1692028;1501609098;asciilifeform;the gentoo userland is separate puzzle 1692029;1501609158;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-02#1475150 << thread. 1692030;1501609158;a111;Logged on 2016-06-02 15:29 deedbot: [Loper OS] Terraforming the “MyCloud Mini” : TTY. - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1644 1692031;1501609178;asciilifeform;( re the pogolike box ) 1692032;1501609209;asciilifeform;i found it when searching for year+ for suitable (GB/s nic, inexpensive) pogolikes 1692033;1501609267;asciilifeform;this one had a little bonus feature : clock battery 1692034;1501609325;asciilifeform;today there are probably other , similar boxes on the market, it's been >year since i bothered to look 1692035;1501609370;asciilifeform;i'd really prefer one with NEITHER x86 nor arm ( say, superH ) but can't have everything. 1692036;1501609448;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691896 << iirc we saw one of these last yr 1692037;1501609448;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 15:40 mircea_popescu: by the time they gotta try and farm cred by advertising on my fucking name, i would expect even the dumbest of the dumb in the crowd could perhaps figure out who's who and what's what. 1692038;1501609468;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. 1692039;1501609765;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692001 << this is worth coming back to : it is 1 of the reason why linuxbios was useful 1692040;1501609765;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 17:31 trinque: afaik the sticking points are drivers and bootloaders. 1692041;1501609774;asciilifeform;guaranteed boot into usefully-interactive thing 1692042;1501609784;asciilifeform;( lilo etc in rom ) 1692043;1501609802;asciilifeform;so you could actually diagnose wtf is happening on, e.g., that box where it wouldn't read the cd 1692044;1501609815;asciilifeform;recent boxes have big enough roms to stuff entire kernel in 1692045;1501609819;asciilifeform;which has other advantages. 1692046;1501609830;asciilifeform;( 'recent' being past decade or so ) 1692047;1501609852;asciilifeform;many old boxes that took lpc rom can be upgraded to bigger one, i will also note. 1692048;1501609860;asciilifeform;in some cases up to 8MB! 1692049;1501609876;asciilifeform;( quite enough for any sane kernel of whatever type ) 1692050;1501610112;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692006 << since when do these derps list alts on same www as actual btc ?! 1692051;1501610112;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 17:33 shinohai: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=Bitcoin+ABC <<< ah, the good 'ol "Let's spin up 5k Amazon nodes to soical-engineer peeps into thinking we are popular" trick. 1692052;1501610127;asciilifeform;( i suppose -- 'since nao' ) 1692053;1501610311;mircea_popescu;since forever afaik 1692054;1501610333;mircea_popescu;haven't they been listing eg prb ever since ? 1692055;1501610346;asciilifeform;prb wasn't truforked yet 1692056;1501610367;asciilifeform;( afaik still not ) 1692057;1501610377;mircea_popescu;still not bitcoin in any meaningful sense. 1692058;1501610411;asciilifeform;was in the sense that it grudgingly ate same blox 1692059;1501610577;asciilifeform;... though i can see what mircea_popescu means. prb would not, iirc, eat a highS block. and several other types that trb happily eats. 1692060;1501610599;mircea_popescu;so then. 1692061;1501610609;asciilifeform;a rewind of the softfork nonsense would send prb to pluto 1692062;1501610746;asciilifeform;!!up p0nziph0ne 1692063;1501610746;deedbot;p0nziph0ne voiced for 30 minutes. 1692064;1501610754;asciilifeform;...srsly? 1692065;1501610775;p0nziph0ne;? 1692066;1501610831;asciilifeform;!~later tell danielpbarron 208.94.116.204loper-os.org unfortunately won't work : nsf co uses dynamic dns and thing won't even load correctly if requested by today's ip ( that's how they send ddos to hell on the cheap, long before there was shitflare etc ) 1692067;1501610832;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1692068;1501610893;p0nziph0ne;i am glad i have found this channel 1692069;1501610894;asciilifeform;!~later tell danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573247 << see thread. 1692070;1501610894;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 23:49 pete_dushenski: i keep getting forwarded to www.www.loper-os.org lol. wondering if i muntzed the /etc/hosts file or what. 1692071;1501610894;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1692072;1501610908;p0nziph0ne;like your discussions 1692073;1501610919;asciilifeform;p0nziph0ne: introduce yourself ? who are you? what brought you here 1692074;1501610956;p0nziph0ne;my journey started at april this year 1692075;1501610971;p0nziph0ne;where it all began with monero 1692076;1501610997;p0nziph0ne;i read "when you care about privacy have a look at monero" in linux reddit 1692077;1501611024;p0nziph0ne;what i found out then was mindblowing 1692078;1501611034;asciilifeform;p0nziph0ne: what did you find out ? 1692079;1501611041;asciilifeform;!#s monero 1692080;1501611042;a111;226 results for "monero", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=monero 1692081;1501611054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the no static ip thing is starting to be a problem 1692082;1501611073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's the main problem of that hoster. 1692083;1501611084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mirror it on phuctor server ? 1692084;1501611091;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but i get total ddosproofness ( tested empirically ) with five-nines uptime. 1692085;1501611099;asciilifeform;for literally 1$ or so per mo 1692086;1501611104;asciilifeform;( varies on load ) 1692087;1501611120;mircea_popescu;what difference does it make what dust it costs. 1692088;1501611142;asciilifeform;the difference that if i moved it literally ANYWHERE it would cost thousands/mo to get same performance 1692089;1501611147;p0nziph0ne;we are living in a world controlled by a few, to work in a slavery for hunting numbers and papers they call it dollar and euro 1692090;1501611150;asciilifeform;esp the part where i never have to fiddle with it at all. 1692091;1501611169;mircea_popescu;p0nziph0ne it's altogether dubious you do any work. so it's really win-win. 1692092;1501611187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's he mirroring anyway, a package ? 1692093;1501611203;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nah, it was his list of wwws for hosts table 1692094;1501611206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu-style 1692095;1501611209;mircea_popescu;ah 1692096;1501611226;asciilifeform;i dun have anything vital packagewise there. strictly civilian bl0g 1692097;1501611288;mircea_popescu;since deedbot reads its rss anyway, i suppose the altenrate route is to go through archive. 1692098;1501611333;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how did they say this in soviet, "we pretend to work, they pretend to pay us, long live the socialist republic" ? 1692099;1501611345;asciilifeform;approx 1692100;1501611396;p0nziph0ne;mircea_popescu: i like my work, its not hard for me at all, tbh i am bored its too easy atm, so i put more time into reading and finding interesting channels like this one 1692101;1501611396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is interesting when these folx show up, you can almost ~smell~ reddit 1692102;1501611397;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/why-god-has-died/ << Trilema - Why god has died. 1692103;1501611413;mircea_popescu;^ perhaps of interest to his worship danielpbarron 1692104;1501611424;mircea_popescu;p0nziph0ne but what do you do ? 1692105;1501611445;p0nziph0ne;i work in the IT for more than 10 yrs 1692106;1501611453;p0nziph0ne;i had a steady learning curve 1692107;1501611459;asciilifeform;p0nziph0ne: what do you DO ? 1692108;1501611474;asciilifeform;as in, with own hands 1692109;1501611495;p0nziph0ne;looking for possibilities to grow my knowledge and learn from others 1692110;1501611504;asciilifeform;that is not a DO 1692111;1501611505;mircea_popescu;this is going well. 1692112;1501611509;asciilifeform;lol! 1692113;1501611620;mircea_popescu;and in today's "best of pantsuit poetry, all glory to ourdemocracy", http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/gems/a-new-temperance-poem-in-memory-of-my-departed-parents 1692114;1501611712;asciilifeform;'Whereas if he couldn’t get Whisky, Rum, or Brandy, / He wouldn’t do his work so handy' << lolgold 1692115;1501611729;mircea_popescu;"Therefore, in that respect let strong drink be abolished in time, And that will cause a great decrease in crime." right in line with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686100 , bridge over the centuries 1692116;1501611729;a111;Logged on 2017-07-18 19:00 ag3nt_zer0: trinque no just worried about getting them out at august first 1692117;1501611762;p0nziph0ne;asciilifeform: but learning is a doing for me, or i might not get your question yet 1692118;1501611763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guns kill people, rum robs people, you know how it is. 1692119;1501611783;asciilifeform;p0nziph0ne: q was, what is it they paid you for 1692120;1501611788;asciilifeform;for DOING 1692121;1501611803;mircea_popescu;p0nziph0ne earlier you put forth this proposition that someone is enslaving you and so on. the only problem with this view is whether you actually do anything that's worth stealing. it's perfectly possible you just sit at home all day and eat the govt's dole. 1692122;1501611805;asciilifeform;digging cable trenches? crapping our perl ? what. 1692123;1501611936;BingoBoingo; ... though i can see what mircea_popescu means. prb would not, iirc, eat a highS block. and several other types that trb happily eats. << PRB will eat high S when in block. Will fail to propagate high S until mined. 1692124;1501611960;mircea_popescu;hm, actually i think bb has it. 1692125;1501611972;asciilifeform;iirc it wouldn't eat it if in block # > N (for some N) 1692126;1501611978;asciilifeform;i'ma check when i get home to the torture room. 1692127;1501611994;mircea_popescu;iirc they didn't have the gumption to actually change verification code. 1692128;1501611995;ag3nt_zer0;hi all... who or what is that a111? 1692129;1501612002;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 log bot. 1692130;1501612018;ag3nt_zer0;just grabbing randoms? 1692131;1501612025;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1692132;1501612049;ag3nt_zer0;oh, no ok 1692133;1501612058;ag3nt_zer0;i see you were referencing 1692134;1501612073;mircea_popescu;it reads out log lines when someone references the log it keeps. kinda how log bots work here. 1692135;1501612100;trinque;mircea_popescu: you latest article demolishes my lingering notion that the grease spot left where a god was killed can be called the same thing as him. or http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594911 1692136;1501612100;a111;Logged on 2016-12-31 18:43 mircea_popescu: in any case, no, the clay colossi are all that - machinery, golums. 1692137;1501612168;mircea_popescu;the advantage of mythical time (which is what's involved whenever gods are discussed) is that you can flow it backwards as well as forwards. 1692138;1501612340;p0nziph0ne;mircea_popescu: i am pretty free in what i am doing, i may choose the topics by myself, its a comfortable position because i always look out for optimizations whether its automation or security as a benefit for all, employees, company/customers and of course through automation less workload for me 1692139;1501612349;mircea_popescu;trinque lulz of all time btw : the whole article was actually inspired by yest dmt discussion. (hence machine elves reference, which is in the field a term of art) 1692140;1501612361;mircea_popescu;p0nziph0ne i see. 1692141;1501612388;p0nziph0ne;i do not feel enslaved personal, but the system makes lot of people to money slaves, loosing its value daily 1692142;1501612390;mircea_popescu;let no one say psychotropics do not inspire creativity in sensitive people! 1692143;1501612406;mircea_popescu;p0nziph0ne so what's thje problem with a bunch of tards being slaves ? 1692144;1501612407;BingoBoingo; iirc it wouldn't eat it if in block # > N (for some N) << No tienen bolludos por eso 1692145;1501612420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692127 >> http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles&%21v=0.10.0#1688 1692146;1501612420;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 18:26 mircea_popescu: iirc they didn't have the gumption to actually change verification code. 1692147;1501612426;asciilifeform;( seems to confirm my iirc ) 1692148;1501612459;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cojones. 1692149;1501612468;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform block version. 1692150;1501612481;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: DER is encoding standard for signature, nothing about S 1692151;1501612493;BingoBoingo;DER stops the Gox "drop zeros" 1692152;1501612511;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: cojones doesn't have the implication about size 1692153;1501612540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bolludo from balls, argentine slang. 1692154;1501612562;*;asciilifeform believes 1692155;1501612604;mircea_popescu;anyway, without discussing all the rest of the matter : asciilifeform should a high-S block be included with version <3 that if would pass. 1692156;1501612647;asciilifeform;only if top 750 blox are <3 1692157;1501612652;asciilifeform;otherwise rejects. 1692158;1501612679;BingoBoingo; expression not so much. readonly is attainable. << Way to make jump seems to be read a book, listen to speakers, interject, keep interjecting until you can swim in conversation 1692159;1501612679;asciilifeform;( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/chainparams.cpp?v=0.10.0#0119 , http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.10.0#2655 see also . ) 1692160;1501612701;asciilifeform;this was the latest prb handily indexed by jurov . possibly different logic in moar recents. 1692161;1501612717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so at most prb goes away for a week. 1692162;1501612723;mircea_popescu;big whoop. 1692163;1501612740;asciilifeform;i didn't say it was a bigger woop. 1692164;1501612751;asciilifeform;but that mircea_popescu was actually right in 'prb != bitcoin' strictly. 1692165;1501612753;mircea_popescu;right. but i wouldn't say this qualifies as any sort of check. 1692166;1501612760;asciilifeform;it can be wedged apart with a relatively compact crowbar. 1692167;1501612775;mircea_popescu;but yes, prb is an amateurish attempt at a non-compliant bitcoin node. 1692168;1501612814;asciilifeform;i suspect that the real forkgold is in the ecc routines. 1692169;1501612829;asciilifeform;which are a fairly heavy chunk of voodoo, i've been slowly chewing through. 1692170;1501612837;mircea_popescu;with all sorts of silly/quirky/potentially dangerous misbehaviours, neither defined nor ennumerated, yet irresponsibly baked in. because monkeys loive to code, can't read code. 1692171;1501612844;mircea_popescu;like in that joke with the soviet policemen. 1692172;1501612846;asciilifeform;( both openssl turd and the moar recent prb-proprietary one ) 1692173;1501612868;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/aiYBv << The DER tests, nothing about which S, which S wank came later https://archive.is/aiYBv 1692174;1501612874;asciilifeform;interestingly there does not, by all indications, exist anywhere anything like a sane implementation of ecdsa 1692175;1501612877;asciilifeform;to this day 1692176;1501612882;mircea_popescu;how would it ? 1692177;1501612892;asciilifeform;well, say somebody sat down an'... wrote one 1692178;1501612898;mircea_popescu;like... who ? 1692179;1501612906;asciilifeform;somebody!1111 1692180;1501612909;mircea_popescu;"there exists no standard plumbing in anthill". well... um... 1692181;1501612939;mircea_popescu;this is kinda not how anthill works. 1692182;1501612962;asciilifeform;currently i strongly suspect that it is possible to produce a technically valid ecdsa sig that will choke 1 particular ecctron but NOT another particular one. 1692183;1501612965;asciilifeform;instafork. 1692184;1501612973;mircea_popescu;possibru. 1692185;1501612991;asciilifeform;( this is definitionally so if thing is sufficiently complex + ill-specified. ) 1692186;1501613031;asciilifeform;currently i also suspect that the whole ecc 'fashion' was instituted specifically to prevent a ffa-style treatment. 1692187;1501613058;mircea_popescu;seems fertile ground for "gotcha" in any case. 1692188;1501613066;asciilifeform;aaha. 1692189;1501613108;asciilifeform;and i will note, if a cipher system REQUIRES a MB of source, it is not a cipher system but an overcomplicated practical joke 1692190;1501613136;mircea_popescu;how long was mpfhf, fifty lines ? 1692191;1501613140;asciilifeform;( the question of whether it actually takes the mb -- will be settled when i get around to implementing ) 1692192;1501613153;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depends in what. but not so long. 1692193;1501613175;mircea_popescu;so then 50 for a hash, say 100 for a cipher. seems fair to me. 1692194;1501613192;asciilifeform;i dunno how to fit a bignumtron in 100 1692195;1501613202;asciilifeform;( 100 ~readable~ , clear ln ) 1692196;1501613211;mircea_popescu;the cipher tho, not the gcd 1692197;1501613211;asciilifeform;if somebody does -- plz write in. 1692198;1501613216;asciilifeform;i am counting whole shebang 1692199;1501613227;mircea_popescu;well what, including display bindings ? the kernel ? 1692200;1501613229;asciilifeform;ffa for instance does NOT rely on an os 1692201;1501613231;asciilifeform;or kernel 1692202;1501613232;mircea_popescu;it's fine if it imports its maffs. 1692203;1501613233;asciilifeform;being present at all 1692204;1501613236;asciilifeform;it is portable to micros 1692205;1501613249;asciilifeform;all you need is a putbyteuart and getbyteuart 1692206;1501613276;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686859 << see also 1692207;1501613276;a111;Logged on 2017-07-19 19:00 asciilifeform: i have 'p' structured such that all it wants i/o-wise is a 'getbyte' and 'putbyte' that operator can replace with whatever 1692208;1501613592;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669719 << seealso 1692209;1501613592;a111;Logged on 2017-06-13 23:13 asciilifeform: >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lBzDS/?raw=true << from the archives of asciilifeform : simple c example of The Only Driver 1692210;1501613609;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/OqECs for posterity. 1692211;1501613617;asciilifeform;^ minimal x86 'os' in c. 1692212;1501613641;asciilifeform;worx everywhere from 386 to whatever's on your desk. 1692213;1501613661;asciilifeform;( may have to change the constant in line 3 . ) 1692214;1501613942;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691984 << looool. yes, apparently, he was in this movie. 1692215;1501613942;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 17:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691887 << lol, the film with the pedo tardstalk sc4mz0r d00d in it 1692216;1501614756;mod6;they told us at the time, "Hey, you can be an extra in the movie if you want... it doesn't pay anything, just have to stand there for 12 hours a day..." Fuck that, we were too busy playing grab-ass with the figure-skaters. 1692217;1501614869;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692017 << very much so yes, but I have not figured out how to gentoo a pogo unfortunately. I wasn't aware that there was a published recipe for it but i'll check out the loper OS article on the MyCloud Mini thing 1692218;1501614869;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 17:36 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you wanna put it on teh market ? 1692219;1501615083;danielpbarron;i must admit, working with the pogo makes me feel quite stupid. brings back that fear I used to get when working on normal computers "oh no will it no longer boot? i'm screwed!" 1692220;1501615100;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: use my boot-on-tftp recipe 1692221;1501615104;asciilifeform;doesn't touch the rom 1692222;1501615123;asciilifeform;it was how i sweated out the pogorotor thing 1692223;1501615139;asciilifeform;( bonus, gives ooda loop of 5sec or so ) 1692224;1501615280;danielpbarron;is that for getting into it in the first place so that something more permanent can be installed? 1692225;1501615324;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: strictly for dev work 1692226;1501615329;asciilifeform;~useless in any other case 1692227;1501615703;shinohai;Well almost *6* hours later the tards finally manage to mine a block. 1692228;1501615711;shinohai;This is good for coffeecoin 1692229;1501616853;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/roger-ver-ified-fork-finally-mines-a-block/ << Qntra - Roger Ver-ified Fork Finally Mines A Block 1692230;1501616911;BingoBoingo; they told us at the time, "Hey, you can be an extra in the movie if you want... it doesn't pay anything, just have to stand there for 12 hours a day..." Fuck that, we were too busy playing grab-ass with the figure-skaters. << What you have to do is speak during a take that is too good to exclude, get your SAG card. 1692231;1501616997;BingoBoingo;!~calc 8/36 1692232;1501616998;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: 8/36 = 0.2222222222222222 1692233;1501617007;BingoBoingo;^ MEGA thoroughput increase 1692234;1501617951;BingoBoingo;!!up Birdman 1692235;1501617952;deedbot;Birdman voiced for 30 minutes. 1692236;1501619511;mircea_popescu;mod6 there are worse asses to grab than figure skater's. 1692237;1501619577;mod6;oh for sure. figure skaters often has nice asses. we like. 1692238;1501619615;mircea_popescu;gotta stamp for approval also. 1692239;1501619626;mod6;:] 1692240;1501623118;f1maze;do I have to verify with deedbot everytime I connect? 1692241;1501623120;f1maze;lol 1692242;1501623135;mircea_popescu;yes. an' also stop join/parting all the time 1692243;1501623232;f1maze;Is it that often? I connect/disconnect when arriving and leaving work, and when I get home 1692244;1501623246;mircea_popescu;so get a bouncer maybe ? 1692245;1501623251;BingoBoingo;Set up a bouncer before you get a tumour 1692246;1501623263;f1maze;I dont know what that is 1692247;1501623278;f1maze;guys, I'm new here 1692248;1501623282;mircea_popescu;see how many things you learn here :D 1692249;1501623313;shinohai;Google for `znc` or `weechat` f1maze .... you're welcome 1692250;1501623567;trinque;curious what f1maze thinks would be the alternative to deedbot auth each time 1692251;1501623749;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692139 << young trinque was deeply insulted by the chemical spirits that, no matter which he took, never saw a damn thing cept woobly versions of plain old reality. 1692252;1501623749;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 18:32 mircea_popescu: trinque lulz of all time btw : the whole article was actually inspired by yest dmt discussion. (hence machine elves reference, which is in the field a term of art) 1692253;1501624914;BingoBoingo;Just remember kids, a lawnmower is simply an underpowered helicopter flipped over 1692254;1501625474;shinohai;"http://pool.bitcoin.com is being DDoS'd. Small blockers are nothing better than militant terrorists" <<< BUT OF COURSE!!!! 1692255;1501625695;f1maze;BingoBoingo: I added nitrous to my lawnmower to make it a hovercraft 1692256;1501626467;mircea_popescu;keks shinohai 1692257;1501626484;mircea_popescu;russian hackers, it prolly was. 1692258;1501626685;shinohai;Prolly ddosin' themselves, what with the 1 hour+ blocktimes this shit has 1692259;1501626793;mircea_popescu;"d"dosing 1692260;1501626899;shinohai;The.y wanted the D 1692261;1501627128;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in ponytail adventures, http://68.media.tumblr.com/c4dcffc267d4f553fcb90a66bcaa584f/tumblr_o4r93t1zGs1uxrkulo1_1280.jpg 1692262;1501627448;mircea_popescu;!!up pa1atine 1692263;1501627449;deedbot;pa1atine voiced for 30 minutes. 1692264;1501627457;pa1atine;hi 1692265;1501627460;mircea_popescu;ello 1692266;1501627477;pa1atine;i think i got around at generating my key 1692267;1501627500;pa1atine;i also posted it on wtopaste 1692268;1501627538;pa1atine;anybody so kind to give me further pointers? 1692269;1501627546;mircea_popescu;what is it that you need ? 1692270;1501627566;pa1atine;well, how to register it with deedbot 1692271;1501627588;shinohai;pa1atine: http://deedbot.org/help.html 1692272;1501627617;pa1atine;ty 1692273;1501627691;shinohai;https://twitter.com/poisonmadam/status/892514378314076160 <<< "Who's brave enough to carve My initials *MP* into their skin and DM Me the proof? I want you to suffer for Me boys. " 1692274;1501627693;shinohai;kek 1692275;1501627705;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1692276;1501627722;mircea_popescu;what was the usg gdp/usd backed by, again ? "creativity" was it ? 1692277;1501627734;pa1atine;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/W5MZw/?raw=true 1692278;1501627734;deedbot;AAC0378219053AFD79AFA4D8861DF5C40C813682 is already registered as pa1atine. 1692279;1501627793;mircea_popescu;" Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?", to quote. 1692280;1501627823;shinohai;So now pa1atine you already have key registered, you just need to /msg deedbot !!up (assuming someone has rated you) 1692281;1501627832;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot pa1atine 1692282;1501627833;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1692283;1501627870;pa1atine;i did it this morning, but it didn't seem to work out at the time 1692284;1501627888;mircea_popescu;so who are you, who do you know, what are you doing ? 1692285;1501627900;shinohai;Lettuce hope you retained your private key 1692286;1501627959;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/ardilla-al-dente/ << Trilema - Ardilla al dente! 1692287;1501627967;pa1atine;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690419 1692288;1501627967;a111;Logged on 2017-07-27 21:43 palatine: i'm a lawyer by profession and trying to escape the barn in general 1692289;1501627978;mircea_popescu;ah you changed your name 1692290;1501627988;mircea_popescu;!!rate pa1atine 1 Italian lawyer guy, apparently. 1692291;1501627990;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tqGg1/?raw=true 1692292;1501628000;pa1atine;changed the nick, since irc said was already registerd 1692293;1501628008;mircea_popescu;!!v 7FF08C6B5987A00EC3901DEF95DDBCAB55E64CA676EB7E1588AC133B0B0951A5 1692294;1501628008;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated pa1atine 1 << Italian lawyer guy, apparently. 1692295;1501628012;mircea_popescu;there, you can self voice now. 1692296;1501628015;shinohai;Ardilla, lol ... when I was in CA I got thrown back by *iguana tacos* 1692297;1501628018;pa1atine;ty 1692298;1501628079;mircea_popescu;shinohai it's eaten here too. iguana i mean. 1692299;1501628287;shinohai;Has mircea_popescu tried this delicacy? 1692300;1501630067;mircea_popescu;nope 1692301;1501630082;mircea_popescu;i only ever saw it in either teh bidonvilles or the very dubious cheapo vendors, and it never appealed. 1692302;1501630608;pa1atine;that is a fucking achievement 1692303;1501630636;mircea_popescu;wd. 1692304;1501630638;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, here's the top employers for pierce country (wa) : jblm, 66k ; public schools, 13.5k ; obamacare etc 7k ; the state of washington 6.5k, the franciscan health system (about as franciscan as the ny jewish stuff) : 5.5k ; the county of pierce : 3k ; the state-owned universities : 2.5k ; fred meyer stores : 2.5k. 1692305;1501630662;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2.5/(66 + 13.5 + 7 + 6.5 + 5.5 + 3 + 2.5 + 2.5) 1692306;1501630663;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2.5/(66 + 13.5 + 7 + 6.5 + 5.5 + 3 + 2.5 + 2.5) = 0.023474178403755867 1692307;1501630690;mircea_popescu;2.3% "private", for a definition of "private" that essentially reduces to walmart. if it were properly private fred meyer would just be the stamp on the local scrip. 1692308;1501630743;mod6;evenin' 1692309;1501630756;mircea_popescu;meanwhile here's what bloomberg hasd to say about... oh you've guessed it, putin : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-17/putin-revives-soviet-deal-of-pretend-work-and-pay-to-hide-crisis 1692310;1501630782;mircea_popescu;~~~PUTIN~~~ is hit by a recession because of his inept policies ; and ~~~PUTIN~~~ is trying to hide the crisis. and so on and so forth. 1692311;1501630790;mircea_popescu;reading fakepapers is such a riot. 1692312;1501630796;ben_vulpes;what fraction of folks work for operations not on the biggest list? 1692313;1501630809;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how would you calculate this ? 1692314;1501630824;mircea_popescu;they're all in the tide dollar trade i'd expect, who the fuck would work for bezzlar if not on the biggest list 1692315;1501630859;ben_vulpes;"but mp, half of people work for small companies!!1" 1692316;1501630868;mircea_popescu;"and get paid in fucks" 1692317;1501630882;mircea_popescu;anyway, tacoma pop is 195k if that helps, of which 45k famblies. 1692318;1501630890;mircea_popescu;so i'd expect 0% work outside of that biggest list. 1692319;1501630911;ben_vulpes;pierce county 795k 1692320;1501630933;mircea_popescu;i thought the whole fucking sounds region was like 1mn 1692321;1501630939;f1maze;https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/is-monero-s-or-all-anonymity-broken 1692322;1501630941;ben_vulpes;incl. seattle?! 1692323;1501630952;f1maze;needs peer review I'd imagine^^ 1692324;1501630953;mircea_popescu;well no, not seattle. the sounds. 1692325;1501630958;ben_vulpes;ah 1692326;1501630975;ben_vulpes;f1maze: is this steemit thing plagiarizing the logs or what 1692327;1501631007;mircea_popescu;i suspect steemit is a sort of how did they call that alt-disqus/alt-github "let us steal your content" thing ? 1692328;1501631017;mircea_popescu;comium ? dorkium ? 1692329;1501631029;mircea_popescu;medium! 1692330;1501631032;f1maze;He does cite some logs 1692331;1501631040;f1maze;in previous work 1692332;1501631082;ben_vulpes;mm 1692333;1501631128;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not that i dispute that boeing, ms, and ~everything in that neighborhood are no more than imperial outposts 1692334;1501631179;mircea_popescu;if boeing is private, then i have no fucking idea what "state owned" would mean. they do pay their debts every ~15 years or so neh 1692335;1501631211;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the "independent, career-oriented business woman" with a string of "serial entrepeneurship" consisting of hair salons her bf at the time bought for her. 1692336;1501631225;ben_vulpes;remainder sliver is ad tech and masters degree holders pouring cocktails 1692337;1501631230;mircea_popescu;(i've met a bunch of these btw, insane and incomprehensible as the item may appear in theory) 1692338;1501631305;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "fake tits and great attitude", http://68.media.tumblr.com/d832f2f93f38b074d0589482036c4d75/tumblr_o9l3uv1Uhj1udxojxo1_1280.jpg 1692339;1501631687;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1692340;1501631688;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 478627 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 1180 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1692341;1501631692;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1692342;1501631711;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2732.0, vol: 12511.66342067 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2731.0, vol: 42322.12733475 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2727.846511, vol: 23790.16560000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2731.972, vol: 13156.3264475 | Volume-weighted last average: 2730.45824516 1692343;1501631824;mircea_popescu;oh incidentally, speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691609 : word re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688636 ? maybe by next report ? 1692344;1501631824;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 00:03 mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's ``State Of Bitcoin Address'': http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-August/000270.html 1692345;1501631824;a111;Logged on 2017-07-21 18:42 ben_vulpes: interesting 1692346;1501631966;*;mod6 re-reads 1692347;1501632045;BingoBoingo; i suspect steemit is a sort of how did they call that alt-disqus/alt-github "let us steal your content" thing ? << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691555 1692348;1501632045;a111;Logged on 2017-07-31 22:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aged tardstalk account, apparently posts on altcoin attempt at making a reddit that pays like a Qntra 1692349;1501632076;mircea_popescu;anything works, really, from "we're not even going to consider this dumb shit" to "we've considered it and it's not useful" etc ; with or without a "we'd like to see proposal more in the X vein" or "we're not even going to consider anything, for reasons" or whatever. as it is i have nfi whether you specifically excluded it, for later, forever, or just too small to talk about or or anything really. 1692350;1501632094;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh, is steemit owned by the anonymint guy ? 1692351;1501632103;BingoBoingo;Not that I'm aware of 1692352;1501632129;BingoBoingo;Apparently only person writing things people read there 1692353;1501632141;BingoBoingo;micropayments thing 1692354;1501632177;mircea_popescu;ah 1692355;1501632268;BingoBoingo;Kinda how /r/buttcoin started as Something Awful and is now all Stolfi's regrets 1692356;1501632315;mircea_popescu;lol is this the latin america orc dreaming he's like human and university professor like the whites and everything ? 1692357;1501632334;mircea_popescu;still around and everything ? 1692358;1501632427;BingoBoingo;Well dunno about university professor part 1692359;1501632433;BingoBoingo;but still on reddit 1692360;1501632520;mircea_popescu;how about the fat girl ? 1692361;1501632538;mircea_popescu;scienceateyou or what was it. 1692362;1501632703;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-2#174580 << zany and interesting; we'll have more to say by next report absolutely 1692363;1501632703;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-02 00:00 mircea_popescu: anything works, really, from "we're not even going to consider this dumb shit" to "we've considered it and it's not useful" etc ; with or without a "we'd like to see proposal more in the X vein" or "we're not even going to consider anything, for reasons" or whatever. as it is i have nfi whether you specifically excluded it, for later, forever, or just too small to talk about or or anyth 1692364;1501632718;mircea_popescu;cool 1692365;1501632947;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo amazon buying whole foods check it out. 1692366;1501633028;mircea_popescu;oh also, did we do http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/attack-iraq-embassy-kabul-reported-170731071753080.html ? 1692367;1501633057;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/01/just-do-it/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Just Do It. 1692368;1501633254;mircea_popescu;and in other chipotle lulz, http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2017/08/01/safirstein-metcalf-llp-announces-that-a-class-action-has-been-filed-against 1692369;1501633456;mircea_popescu;oh, also : http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170728005619/en/LEAD-PLAINTIFF-DEADLINE-ALERT-Faruqi-Faruqi-LLP/ "Lastly, the report stated that Indonesian Supreme Court documents describe “torture ships” that implicate the Company in “the modern-day slavery that has infected pockets of South East Asia’s fishing industry”. 1692370;1501635335;asciilifeform;in other noose, zoolag is back in service 1692371;1501635353;asciilifeform;( nfi why went down, linux is 'helpful' as always ) 1692372;1501635520;mod6;hi asciilifeform 1692373;1501635524;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1692374;1501635536;asciilifeform;what's new in mod6dom 1692375;1501635564;mod6;not too much. had some meatballs the size of my head damn near. 1692376;1501635568;mod6;does a body good. 1692377;1501635586;asciilifeform;neato 1692378;1501635632;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: how was the retreat? 1692379;1501635644;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not over yet. i'm on a short vacation from vacation 1692380;1501635647;asciilifeform;then going right back. 1692381;1501635664;ben_vulpes;sounds lovely 1692382;1501635680;*;ben_vulpes formally embarking on homeorificequest 1692383;1501635907;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692210 << beautiful 1692384;1501635907;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 18:53 asciilifeform: http://archive.is/OqECs for posterity. 1692385;1501635922;asciilifeform;lol it's not exactly high tech 1692386;1501635938;phf;precisely 1692387;1501635944;asciilifeform;in fact i had similar (nao lost , sadly, to disk rot ) item from uni hw 1692388;1501636045;asciilifeform;( maybe phf remembers ! cs 412 at umd ) 1692389;1501636111;asciilifeform;but in point of fact, no joak, you dun need ANY moar of an os than ^ above, to do usefulwork. 1692390;1501636161;asciilifeform;most particularly you don't need writable storage. i'ma make a demo box with 'p' and no nonvolatiles. 1692391;1501636162;phf;of course, i took mine with hicks (who has a rather ridiculous photo of himself on his umd page, http://www.cs.umd.edu/%7Emwh/ ) 1692392;1501636177;asciilifeform;lol i had nfi d00d still in biznis 1692393;1501636309;mircea_popescu;lmao sikrit squirrel. 1692394;1501636377;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692309 << i get paywall 1692395;1501636377;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 23:39 mircea_popescu: meanwhile here's what bloomberg hasd to say about... oh you've guessed it, putin : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-17/putin-revives-soviet-deal-of-pretend-work-and-pay-to-hide-crisis 1692396;1501636450;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692321 << ahahahaha another fine production of 'let's read #trilema and never cite', так победим! folx 1692397;1501636450;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 23:42 f1maze: https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/is-monero-s-or-all-anonymity-broken 1692398;1501636511;asciilifeform;'The flaw is that the set of transactions mixed together that provides the anonymity set, is never all of the unspent transactions (UTXO) on the blockchain.' followed by various spurious deductions and push of 'zerocash' scamcoin 1692399;1501636537;phf;aww, hicks has been pimping cyclone back when i took his class too, now he has to say on his page "Cyclone, a safe dialect of C. Cyclone's system for manual memory management was influential in the development of Rust." we are relevant!!1 1692400;1501636586;phf;of course cyclone is an order of magnitude higher technological achievement than rust. reminds me of common lisper "we brought garbage collector java". so it goes. 1692401;1501636594;asciilifeform;poor buggers, stuck 'invent typesafe optimizing compiler' when ada already existed in 1982 1692402;1501636621;asciilifeform;but you won't get tenure for 'let's ada' 1692403;1501636626;asciilifeform;just as you won't for 'let's rsa' 1692404;1501636636;asciilifeform;( see thread re latter subj from last march ) 1692405;1501636637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing substantial. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hubAh/?raw=true 1692406;1501636654;asciilifeform;lollamatic 1692407;1501636671;mircea_popescu;phf reminds me of fucktard murdock "oh, we were first apple store" 1692408;1501636687;mircea_popescu;the substance of ineptitude is getting the dumbass to sell his ass cheap. 1692409;1501636877;mod6;<+phf> of course, i took mine with hicks (who has a rather ridiculous photo of himself on his umd page, http://www.cs.umd.edu/%7Emwh/ ) << heh 1692410;1501636985;phf;relevant http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T792V0_uoCw/R6T6hAIArPI/AAAAAAAAAWk/8zJzYpskpNA/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/PBF244-Preach_Skate.jpg 1692411;1501637024;asciilifeform;ahahahahayes 1692412;1501637571;phf;https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/maritime-supremacy/ << "The new aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford has all sorts of high-tech gear equipped for 21st century naval warfare. But there is one thing that male sailors will notice is no longer available: Urinals." 1692413;1501637587;mircea_popescu;holy shit this is stupid. 1692414;1501637603;mod6;piss-jugs swabby! 1692415;1501637604;mircea_popescu;the REASON urinals exist is because you can satisfy about 3x as many toilet needs per unit space thios way. 1692416;1501637630;asciilifeform;y'know, pissing in pants where you stand takes even LESS space 1692417;1501637632;asciilifeform;why not do that. 1692418;1501637634;phf;"When he is designing a bathroom, Kaufman says he is required to allot around 1,500 square inches of space for a urinal. A toilet needs more than 3,300 square inches. … “Why would you want the ship to be bigger just for fixtures?” said Kaufman. “You can get twice as many urinals as water closets.”" 1692419;1501637655;asciilifeform;and why does a ship even need urinals ? piss over the rail. 1692420;1501637656;mircea_popescu;tbh, if i ran the us navy it'd be all urinals -- but wall style not separates ; and turkish toilets (no enclosure). and all showers are open space. 1692421;1501637666;phf;^ 1692422;1501637693;mircea_popescu;if you can't shit squatting / wash naked with 100 other dudes you go straight overboard in a sack. 1692423;1501637709;mircea_popescu;this is the navy not fucking uncle natasha's farm. 1692424;1501637715;asciilifeform;iirc they had ~this prior to the chix captains thing 1692425;1501637734;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is the big deal anyway. what, they'll fuck her if she soaps her snatch on the deck ? 1692426;1501637794;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pissing over rail is ~same as "puke out window of bus on highway". works better in theory than in practice. 1692427;1501637889;mircea_popescu;(btw, my 3x above is correct figure, obtained fgrom busy bar/club experience. the surface doesn't do it justice, you need 150% longer to use a toilet to pee than if you peed on the wall.) 1692428;1501637909;mircea_popescu;so it's like 2.1x space 1.45x time or such. 1692429;1501638004;f1maze;Ugh, what a long day. My head is ready to explode http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nj9YV/?raw=true 1692430;1501638052;mircea_popescu;lmao 1692431;1501638078;mircea_popescu;wouldja stop posting random rambling nonsense from the shannon noise farm ? 1692432;1501638223;f1maze;Certainly, can be humourous at times though! sorry 1692433;1501639039;f1maze;at least I dont join/part as much as the deep book^ 1692434;1501639083;f1maze;But seriously, time for me to unplug and get back to work. I will get the bouncer to help out my spam. Sorry farewell! 1692435;1501639129;phf;a bouncer is a handy exercise in unixology, but you can also reduce the spam by joining only when you have something to say, or want to participate in conversation, and read the logs through web otherwise 1692436;1501639161;phf;(that's what i do, i just also have a bouncer, so it's hard to see) 1692437;1501639165;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/129A347F21965ACCD69200D74735A3512C82825DBD99559959519CE018F8CAEE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1590...8143 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '71.6.152.10 (ssh-rsa key from 71.6.152.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US CA) 1692438;1501639165;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/129A347F21965ACCD69200D74735A3512C82825DBD99559959519CE018F8CAEE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1536...1327 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '71.6.152.10 (ssh-rsa key from 71.6.152.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US CA) 1692439;1501639676;mircea_popescu;i guess it only goes to show most spam is done by pointless crap. 1692440;1501640734;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692429 << ever lived in a house with a leaking reddit pipe ? 1692441;1501640734;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 01:40 f1maze: Ugh, what a long day. My head is ready to explode http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nj9YV/?raw=true 1692442;1501640738;asciilifeform;terrible thing 1692443;1501640742;asciilifeform;out, out, it seeps. 1692444;1501640760;asciilifeform;bad enough when leakage is out on the sidewalk. 1692445;1501641547;mircea_popescu;lol. can't say as i have. 1692446;1501641822;mircea_popescu;and from the "better clothes for women" dept, http://68.media.tumblr.com/34b8a7e51056c6489e34c365ad59fcb5/tumblr_nzul5ySdSK1rv5c0vo1_1280.jpg 1692447;1501642317;*;shinohai The Baron Titsbare approves ...... 1692448;1501643438;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo amazon buying whole foods check it out. << Yeah, Amazon is headed for a Trump confrontation 1692449;1501644182;mircea_popescu;aha. 1692450;1501645481;BingoBoingo;Trump is going to have to hit Bezos with the Teddy Roosevelt anti-trust stick, killing the Amazon Wapo's credibility on the way 1692451;1501645561;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2017/07/a-quick-faq-about-the-not-bitcoin-fork-bitcoin-cash/#comment-106710 1692452;1501645719;mircea_popescu;seems likely dunnit 1692453;1501645813;BingoBoingo;Almost inevitable at this point. Possibly this might be the ONLY actual point of contention between Trump and Sessions. 1692454;1501645921;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is he going to run a socialist soviet with antitrust laws on the books is anyone's guess. 1692455;1501645936;mircea_popescu;what, a herd of mini-czars for each fieldf, holding plenaries ? 1692456;1501646022;BingoBoingo;That's kinda what Hussein Bahamas tried. 1692457;1501646089;BingoBoingo;Anyways, at present the stick exists. Jeff Bezos is asking for it. 1692458;1501647669;BingoBoingo;In other plugs https://i.imgur.com/S7mIT.jpg 1692459;1501649012;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1692460;1501649023;mircea_popescu;spark plug, will do teh job. 1692461;1501649819;BingoBoingo;In other news, agricultural supremacy Phase 1 write up incoming in the next week or two. 1692462;1501649870;BingoBoingo;Spoiler: Tomatoes were sparse until Fair had already started and entry deadline passed 1692463;1501650034;mircea_popescu;there's always next fair. 1692464;1501650064;mircea_popescu;in other abandonments, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2994268879b0ec849b1ddb348864a210/tumblr_o8mgprJEUS1u20dnoo1_500.gif 1692465;1501650535;BingoBoingo;Eh, feels like I won anyways, at this point tomatoes are ripening faster than I can eat them 1692466;1501650554;BingoBoingo;And in a wide variety 1692467;1501650601;mircea_popescu;hope you got a lot of garlic. 1692468;1501650620;mircea_popescu;that + olive oil pretty much the only way to make tomatoes go down the throat in quantity. 1692469;1501650652;mircea_popescu;and in other "omfg death by cuteness", i captured a tiny baby gecko, 2 gram's worth. he's adorbs. 1692470;1501650927;BingoBoingo;Awe 1692471;1501651022;*;BingoBoingo has been doing tomato + garlic aoli + bread = delicious 1692472;1501651473;BingoBoingo;"honey delight hybrid" has been the most prolific producer so far 1692473;1501653139;mircea_popescu;gotta homebake teh bread tho 1692474;1501655112;BingoBoingo;Ideally, but any carb substrate will do 1692475;1501655283;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8514 1692476;1501655570;BingoBoingo;An elementary school blow job cat http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/files/2014/01/fairview1.jpg 1692477;1501655939;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8510 << Apparently this is a thing nao 1692478;1501671414;cazalla;good evening 1692479;1501672085;shinohai;Hola cazalla !!! 1692480;1501672396;cazalla;what's new shinohai, anyone die or other exciting stuff going on? 1692481;1501672482;shinohai;No one has died afaik ....the best lulz continue to be printed in Qntra, as befits such things. 1692482;1501672492;shinohai;How have ya been? 1692483;1501672530;cazalla;pretty good, daughter turned 1 few months back, son is moving towards 4 1692484;1501672619;shinohai;Time marches on! :D 1692485;1501672717;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1692486;1501672728;cazalla;i read roger is giving away free btc so seemed a good time to jump back in and pay a bit more attention 1692487;1501672734;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2722.02, vol: 10759.74487443 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2721.5, vol: 33415.28408887 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2719.702182, vol: 23257.02110000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2716.0, vol: 10626.6495451 | Volume-weighted last average: 2720.28727936 1692488;1501673656;shinohai;Yeah if he can get his chain to move enough to enable depositing it to an exchange to dump xD 1692489;1501674118;shinohai;And in other signs that the US is crumbling: http://archive.is/RSeUz 1692490;1501680364;asciilifeform;in other noose!, a samsung ssd lasts about 2y in a high-traffic trb node. 1692491;1501680384;asciilifeform;RIP zoolag ( until replacement comes... ) 1692492;1501680507;shinohai;SFYL asciilifeform 1692493;1501680511;asciilifeform;lol 1692494;1501680518;asciilifeform;it's a wear part. 1692495;1501680610;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-16#1203271 << birth 1692496;1501680610;a111;Logged on 2015-07-16 04:24 asciilifeform: gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. 1692497;1501680643;asciilifeform;so gave a solid 2y. 1692498;1501680695;shinohai;I need another ssd tbh ... mats was kind enough to fund one for my node some time ago. 1692499;1501680806;*;shinohai is very careful with his chain backups now 1692500;1501685468;mod6;mornin' 1692501;1501686244;shinohai;Buenas dias mod6 1692502;1501686352;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587057 << thank you for the handy backup! but what's up with the busted icons? 1692503;1501686352;a111;Logged on 2016-12-21 08:36 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585796 << http://cmu-ai-mirror.bvulpes.com/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/ 1692504;1501686532;mod6;Buenos dias! 1692505;1501686630;phf;also it would be handy to mark some of the files as text/plain in nginx so that browser doesn't autodownload: ltv, lst, cl, lisp, doc 1692506;1501686656;phf;morning mod6 1692507;1501686877;mod6;hi phf, how goes? 1692508;1501686936;phf;since we have this lisp archive and there's some lispers here, there's some nifty code in there http://cmu-ai-mirror.bvulpes.com/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/syntax/infix/0.html infix notation, http://cmu-ai-mirror.bvulpes.com/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/syntax/measures/0.html a unit system which lets you write stuff like (dim+ 1m 4mm) > 1.004m, http://cmu-ai-mirror.bvulpes.com/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/l 1692509;1501686936;phf;isp/code/fun/life.cl game of life that was used as a prop in a certain anime series, and my favorite http://cmu-ai-mirror.bvulpes.com/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/fun/sunset.cl sunrise/sunset calculator. 1692510;1501686965;mod6;pretty neat mirror 1692511;1501687031;phf;mod6: slow start of day. i ate too much pelmeni last night before bed, so now i'm groggy and don't want to exercise. it's a vicious cycle! 1692512;1501687255;mod6;That looks great, never had it myself. Looks sort of like a small pierogi. 1692513;1501687477;phf;yeah, basically, but pierogi (which is polish by the way, russian "pirog" means pie) typically have complicated, vegetable heavy stuffing. cabbage, potatoes, etc. pelmeni on the other hand are specifically meat (beef, even, though i suppose you can have them with pork and chicken too) 1692514;1501687636;phf;put some dill on them, maybe some sautéed mushrooms 1692515;1501687831;mod6;ahh. 1692516;1501687848;mod6;sounds fantastic. 1692517;1501689705;phf;"Bitcoin Cash Soars to $700, Coinbase Customers Threaten to Sue (fortune.com)" 1692518;1501689711;phf;!!up p0nziph0ne 1692519;1501689712;deedbot;p0nziph0ne voiced for 30 minutes. 1692520;1501689737;phf;not sure if you want the floor, but you have it. 1692521;1501690360;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692489 << this is actually a pretty clever move. 1692522;1501690360;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 11:41 shinohai: And in other signs that the US is crumbling: http://archive.is/RSeUz 1692523;1501690700;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692514 <<< not only am i the sort of lazy asshole who never actually exercises, but i call the small bits of filling inside unleavened dough/potato dough that's then boiled blinyi, and i fill them with cheese, or meat, or w/e i feel like. 1692524;1501690700;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 15:27 phf: put some dill on them, maybe some sautéed mushrooms 1692525;1501690706;mircea_popescu;to be served with either butter or sour cream. 1692526;1501690767;mod6;you walk a fair amount though 1692527;1501690774;mircea_popescu;this is true. 1692528;1501690931;p0nziph0ne;phf: as long as coinbase has terms of use like polo does since yesterday https://github.com/usefree/poloniextermsofuse/commit/a6c548bccf6b8767505938081e0e56051a32cb24 and they will let govs participate in the theft i see no chance for coinbase customers to have success in a lawsuit 1692529;1501690957;p0nziph0ne;part 25 and 29 is an interesting change 1692530;1501690977;p0nziph0ne;If Poloniex is unable to return your Tokens to a third party Account for you after a period of inactivity, Poloniex may report and remit the Tokens to an applicable government agency pursuant to applicable escheatment or unclaimed property laws. 1692531;1501690998;mircea_popescu;p0nziph0ne what;s your experience with class actions ? 1692532;1501691085;p0nziph0ne;none, its not very common in europe 1692533;1501691101;mircea_popescu;then what is " i see no chance" supposed to mean ? 1692534;1501691130;mircea_popescu;you can't see, for lack of the sight organ, which is a knowledge of the field. 1692535;1501691206;p0nziph0ne;as long as taxes and gains from coinbase finally get payed and the gov is happy, what is the interest to give small customer what they deserve? they will forget at the end and dont care 1692536;1501691214;mircea_popescu;i quoted a coupla items off my class action feed the other day. the firehose (ie, unfiltered) easily exceeds hundreds of entries. DAILY. (they have to be published because any member of thje class can apply to court to be lead plaintiff.) 1692537;1501691243;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692368 < there. 1692538;1501691243;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 00:20 mircea_popescu: and in other chipotle lulz, http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2017/08/01/safirstein-metcalf-llp-announces-that-a-class-action-has-been-filed-against 1692539;1501691275;p0nziph0ne;and they (coinbase) may say we had a major system outage on that day, was unable to store the amount 1692540;1501691358;mircea_popescu;but, to answer your misshapen general question, "the interest of the government" is to maintain public faith in both the functioning of the system and their ability to control it. whereas taxes are not a concern, the operation of the usg is financed by chinese credit not by domestic taxation. much like in any other banana republic, which is why greece, or argentina, or etc are so reluctant to collect their tax receipts. 1692541;1501691364;ben_vulpes;phf: i honestly have no idea 1692542;1501691405;ben_vulpes;iirc i pulled the whole shebang down with a wget --give-me-everything-no-seriously-recursive-too so it's a big ??? for me 1692543;1501691419;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in amateur photography, http://68.media.tumblr.com/86de9ed2b0a14f4d1f5bd6bdec6ab4bd/tumblr_o74rlu1BQw1ug8wbfo1_1280.jpg 1692544;1501691544;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: do you walk to places in cr? or in circles around the mountaintop of solitude looking for adorable fauna 1692545;1501691728;mircea_popescu;well depends. you can walk all over san jose, which is you know, about the size of rancho cucamonga or something. you can also go for a serious walk through the numerous national parks, go from cerro alto to villa mils or somthing if you're up for the trek. 1692546;1501691823;mircea_popescu;but generally, a small "town" in costa rica constists of a coupla strip malls and a bunch of corrugated sheet metal shacks around them. say orotina or w/e. 1692547;1501692413;mod6;Is there a Lord in this Chamber who would like to take project lead of Cuntoo? This would entail maintaining the distribution as seen fit for use by TMSR~, coordination of all tasks, and general oversight, hosting of packages/source etc? The Foundation would be willing to contribute to the cost of infrastructure for this hosting if need be. 1692548;1501692502;mod6;I know I would help contribute to this project as I can, and I'm sure others will as well. 1692549;1501692556;mircea_popescu;good idea. 1692550;1501692595;mod6;Well, at this point, it's all up for discussion. Thought it'd be best to get this ball rolling. 1692551;1501692642;mircea_popescu;yee 1692552;1501693202;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG S.NSA CUSTOMERS! all outstanding FUCKGOATS orders shipped. 1692553;1501693348;shinohai;mod6: I'm interesyed in helping with Cuntoo if I can, perhaps we can discuss in greater detail in a bit. 1692554;1501693380;mod6;Sure thing, shinohai. 1692555;1501693392;mod6;asciilifeform: nice 1692556;1501694792;*;asciilifeform back in biznis 1692557;1501695514;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Ybp6T << apparently... gavin also still inbiznis. 1692558;1501696176;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692547 << i'll do it. unless danielpbarron REALLY yearns to 1692559;1501696176;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 16:46 mod6: Is there a Lord in this Chamber who would like to take project lead of Cuntoo? This would entail maintaining the distribution as seen fit for use by TMSR~, coordination of all tasks, and general oversight, hosting of packages/source etc? The Foundation would be willing to contribute to the cost of infrastructure for this hosting if need be. 1692560;1501696176;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1692561;1501696185;asciilifeform;in which case i'll help him. 1692562;1501696483;asciilifeform;!~later tell cazalla http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692480 << http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html is new since iirc last you were here. 1692563;1501696483;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 11:13 cazalla: what's new shinohai, anyone die or other exciting stuff going on? 1692564;1501696483;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1692565;1501696642;asciilifeform;scatha (~markus@p508D264D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #trilema << it is rather remarkable imho how there ALWAYS has to be a connectolade-spamming dipshit at any given time 1692566;1501696646;asciilifeform;one dies, another takes his place. 1692567;1501697179;trinque;ftr I have several different gentoo install scripts laying about; iirc folks may have used them at various points. if that's in scope for tmsr gentoo repossession, I'm happy to contribute them, and maintain. 1692568;1501697228;asciilifeform;trinque: potentially very useful 1692569;1501697508;danielpbarron;i don't know that i'm qualified to take lead on such a thing, as knowledgable on the subject as i may be. And i have a bad habit of losing track of projects that i'm not super confident about 1692570;1501697637;mod6;So noted. 1692571;1501697686;mod6;It seems that many of us are interested in this project; feel free to contribute as you can towards asciilifeform's project goals. 1692572;1501697707;mod6;I'll be doing the same. :] 1692573;1501697710;asciilifeform;mod6: i'm sitting on a massive stash of vintage packages 1692574;1501697724;mod6;I read that, yea. Sounds great. 1692575;1501697733;asciilifeform;but not necessarily the best selection, nor oldest vintages. 1692576;1501697740;asciilifeform;largely circa 2011. 1692577;1501697756;asciilifeform;about 12GB worth. 1692578;1501697781;mod6;Wow, alright. Yeah that's a few. 1692579;1501697815;asciilifeform;'An activist group, which claims Coinbase's decision is akin to a brokerage withholding new shares from its investors, warns it will commence a class action suit after August 15 if the company doesn't release the Bitcoin Cash. Meanwhile, an attorney named Priyanka Ghosh-Murthy told Fortune she intends to file a complaint—invoking negligence, breach of fiduciary duty, and unjust enrichment—in Florida by the end of the week.' << lo 1692580;1501697815;asciilifeform;l!! 1692581;1501697965;trinque;dat "the A of B" amerilogic 1692582;1501697994;*;asciilifeform wonders if goxes will be 'obligated' to maintain nodes for every shitfork , or only Officially-blessed ones 1692583;1501698008;mod6;it's lulzy huh 1692584;1501698034;mod6;it's almost like "shut up and take my money" in reverse 1692585;1501698149;asciilifeform;elsewhere in heathendom, https://archive.is/CSXhd << 'Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, and YouTube (Google/Alphabet, Inc) have formed the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism and Amber Rudd is asking them to quietly drop end-to-end encryption from their products.' 1692586;1501698165;asciilifeform;'drop' lol 1692587;1501698206;asciilifeform;complete with schneier in there. 1692588;1501698257;trinque;god, her face. literally, "I will open my mouth as wide as you let me". 1692589;1501698266;asciilifeform;meanwhile in north monkeystan, https://archive.is/jlIWY >> 'Cable giants step up piracy battle by interrogating Montreal software developer and searching his home' 1692590;1501698284;asciilifeform;'On June 9, the telecoms got an Anton Piller order, a civil search warrant that gives a plaintiff access to a defendant's home, without notice, to search for and seize relevant evidence before it can be destroyed. A Federal Court judge would later declare the Anton Piller order in this case "unlawful," but that was weeks after a group of men arrived at Lackman's door at 8 a.m. on June 12. Lackman says the group included a bailiff, t 1692591;1501698284;asciilifeform;wo computer technicians, an independent counsel and a lawyer representing Bell, Rogers and Videotron.' 1692592;1501698299;mod6;<+trinque> god, her face. literally, "I will open my mouth as wide as you let me". << scary huh 1692593;1501698349;asciilifeform;'...Lackman's belongings still haven't been returned. Nor can he access the TVAddons website or its social media accounts, which were also seized as part of the original order. That's because Bell, Rogers and Videotron have appealed the court decision and a Federal Court of Appeal judge has ruled that until the appeal can be heard, Lackman will get nothing back.' 1692594;1501698407;asciilifeform;^ achtung pete_dushenski et al 1692595;1501698470;asciilifeform;who said pinkertons went out of style. 1692596;1501698557;mod6;pantsuits. pantsuits everywhere. 1692597;1501700045;phf;what is that BingoBoingo says, pence in our time 1692598;1501700075;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron well, depends if you're willing to commit or not ; but this has to be an afore-the-fact decision. can't be "let's see", that just causes grief. 1692599;1501700118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not surprising, is it ? ~whole point of fiat corp is to keep the lawyers in yachts. 1692600;1501700132;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg aha 1692601;1501700202;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692585 << what the fuck ELSE could ghave been the point of all the paywall gardens. but no "i just want to use github". lazy fucktards. 1692602;1501700202;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 18:22 asciilifeform: elsewhere in heathendom, https://archive.is/CSXhd << 'Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, and YouTube (Google/Alphabet, Inc) have formed the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism and Amber Rudd is asking them to quietly drop end-to-end encryption from their products.' 1692603;1501700234;mircea_popescu;"i'm not a filthy subhuman monkey from india, i'm following my religious rituals by feeding rats milk. problem ???" 1692604;1501700703;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in concrete butts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cc5d4b75fcd46bbef9765faa6a0a5c60/tumblr_o8ipj6OxhZ1tco00do1_1280.jpg 1692605;1501700891;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692523 << i think the need to exercise is a measure of non-freedom, one of those activities that only exists in relation to wage slavery. like leisure or tourism or happy hours. i was in my best shape when i didn't work, mostly fucked, climbed abandoned buildings and went for very long walks. now exercise is basically a need in order to break static friction of sedentary lifestyle. i do though believe in natsoc kind o 1692606;1501700891;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 16:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692514 <<< not only am i the sort of lazy asshole who never actually exercises, but i call the small bits of filling inside unleavened dough/potato dough that's then boiled blinyi, and i fill them with cheese, or meat, or w/e i feel like. 1692607;1501700891;phf;f way in some inherent, discipline building value of körperkultur 1692608;1501700935;asciilifeform;^ 1692609;1501700939;mircea_popescu;maybe, though i am not convinced. gout was originally the disease of the corrupt priest. there's this very specific tendency of the affluent white male to turn into a pear. 1692610;1501701001;mircea_popescu;whereas i was in my best shape in my 20s also : i ate steak for breakfast, three deserts a day, i don't think i ever went to bed before ingurgigating 4k calories and i was mostly so skinny, if i laid on my back in swim trunks i could see my own dick. 1692611;1501701111;mircea_popescu;at any rate, i also believe in that whole spqr-esque "korpenkultur" as you call it ; just i'm also scandalously self indulgent. 1692612;1501701169;phf;well, i don't exercise to stay skinny though, i don't have problems with that. it's more like that scene from Highlander, where they run on the beach just because they are ridiculously fit and it feels good. if i don't do any of these things, i start feeling like a modern man, slow and broken. 1692613;1501701180;mircea_popescu;which is highlander ? 1692614;1501701239;phf;an 80s "fantasy" movie with lambert and connery 1692615;1501701246;mircea_popescu;hm 1692616;1501701267;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfm6EvoE7FA 1692617;1501701337;mircea_popescu;o shit. 1692618;1501701342;mircea_popescu;the thing with the beheadings ? 1692619;1501701370;phf;yeah! i rewatched it recently on a plane ride, it's incredibly bad in the way only 80s movies can be 1692620;1501701395;mircea_popescu;so i was once at a party, i dun recall teh details, but that dude, adrian whatever, was there. 1692621;1501701401;asciilifeform;so bad , counter underflows, and it's... good 1692622;1501701411;mircea_popescu;and all the ~OLD~ ro tv hookers were crowding him, it was fucking hysterical to watch. 1692623;1501701467;mircea_popescu;i dunno, they were figuring it's gonna help their "careers", as if 200 dollar a show tv extras in intl markets have fucking careers or somethign. 1692624;1501701525;phf;maybe it helps with a local carrier? "i was at this party with such and such" works on people who don't usually go to parties with such and such 1692625;1501701538;mircea_popescu;adrian paul! there we go. dumbass name to boot. 1692626;1501701553;mircea_popescu;phf nah. 1692627;1501701575;mircea_popescu;~only thing that can help with local carrier is if so and so "businessman" calls. otherwise... 1692628;1501701601;phf;oh, yeah, the guy from the tv show. i think i might've watched it back in russia, along sliders and quantum leap and such 1692629;1501701618;asciilifeform;sliders! 1692630;1501701621;*;asciilifeform nostalgiates 1692631;1501701621;mircea_popescu;tales from the crypt : the new generation or how did it go 1692632;1501701645;asciilifeform;it was in the mass of us tv asciilifeform saw in '90s when he still had a tv, to suck in the language 1692633;1501701658;mircea_popescu;i thought this was english. 1692634;1501701664;asciilifeform;it was 1692635;1501701668;mircea_popescu;a ok 1692636;1501701742;mircea_popescu;http://www.laweekly.com/arts/the-highlander-taught-me-how-to-sword-fight-7558697 << actually apparently they have the same dumbass on the west coast, too. http://archive.razorcake.org/site/spaw/uploads/files/Liz_O_b.jpg 1692637;1501701989;hanbot;mod6 : supar nitpick in yer v.pl help, "Mirrors command my only be invoked by itself." /may only 1692638;1501702196;mircea_popescu;in other "crowdsourcing", http://publications.newberry.org/dig/rc-transcribe/index (chicago library looking for volunteers to type old english/vernacular latin texts) 1692639;1501702377;mircea_popescu;and in other media lulz, https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n03/patrick-cockburn/who-supplies-the-news 1692640;1501702453;asciilifeform;in very very other lulz, asciilifeform actually got hold of a superH ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691143 see also ) dev board, sh7216. mega-disappoint : ZERO linux support for the on-board debugger. which one actually NEEDS to do anything whatsoever with the thing. 1692641;1501702453;a111;Logged on 2017-07-31 17:07 asciilifeform: the sh2, which is still massively made, beats the mips micros available on open market in ability to run from external rom 1692642;1501702453;asciilifeform;i can easily see why renesas is ~dead ( chip in production, but largely for existing designs ) 1692643;1501702473;mircea_popescu;um 1692644;1501702477;asciilifeform;this doesn't change the fact that the only other non-internalflashed serious-horsepower chips are ARMs. 1692645;1501702479;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is this possible ? 1692646;1501702484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty easily. 1692647;1501702503;mircea_popescu;but didn;'t the dorks need to use some kind of debugger to get it to boot linux anything ? 1692648;1501702514;asciilifeform;apparently they flashed it in from winblowz. 1692649;1501702522;mircea_popescu;aaaahahahaha 1692650;1501702525;mircea_popescu;no, see ? 1692651;1501702529;asciilifeform;pretty common idiocy, sadly 1692652;1501702573;asciilifeform;anyway this isn't half the grief : if it were just a matter of flashing, i could flash via crocodiles, applied externally. but you need the debugger to singlestep. 1692653;1501702581;mircea_popescu;aha. 1692654;1501702595;mircea_popescu;is it documented by the japs at least ? 1692655;1501702599;asciilifeform;nowhere. 1692656;1501702604;asciilifeform;also typical. 1692657;1501702617;mircea_popescu;in what sense does this item exist then ? 1692658;1501702620;asciilifeform;( dark ages proprietary pre-jtag debugger, it seems, implemented in on-board fpga ) 1692659;1501702646;asciilifeform;it exists in everybody's 1990s game console, stereo, vcr, etc. and now also in that fpga item. 1692660;1501702661;asciilifeform;the ~arch~ is documented. 1692661;1501702667;asciilifeform;the shitboard ain't. 1692662;1501702685;asciilifeform;( other than a pdf where 'flip the dip switches like-so, click in winblowz like-so' ) 1692663;1501702702;mircea_popescu;so it's basically "this piece of flotsam i once found which for a time light up when you said boo". 1692664;1501702757;asciilifeform;for clarity : asciilifeform ain't inluvv with superH. but he ~does~ search for a cpu where 1) respectable (say, even trb-capable) horse 2) no internal flash rom 3) not ARM 1692665;1501702771;asciilifeform;reporting today that result of this is still empty. 1692666;1501702787;mircea_popescu;unless we make an actual board for the extant superh items 1692667;1501702797;asciilifeform;that was the contemplated item 1692668;1501702801;mircea_popescu;in the process discovering that a) they diverge from the spec and b) in no particular or ennumerable way. 1692669;1501702814;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i mean make one. 1692670;1501702818;asciilifeform;well yes, so asciilifeform picked up a classic devboard to investigate 1692671;1501702825;mircea_popescu;aha. 1692672;1501702832;mircea_popescu;and discovered in fact dev board never existed. 1692673;1501702846;asciilifeform;can make board quickly. but nowhere does -- afaik! -- the full doc exist publicly. 1692674;1501702854;mircea_popescu;for the chip ? 1692675;1501702860;asciilifeform;for the debug extensions. 1692676;1501702869;asciilifeform;which in practice are needed to do anything particularly useful. 1692677;1501702872;mircea_popescu;so the arch is NOT actually documented. 1692678;1501702874;asciilifeform;aha!! 1692679;1501702885;mircea_popescu;alright, so problem solved. superh never existed. 1692680;1501702905;asciilifeform;leaving empty box. 1692681;1501702906;mircea_popescu;it seemed like it may exist ; upon examination it turns out ignis fatuus 1692682;1501702963;asciilifeform;asciilifeform however habitually collects and referments the aborted foeti of items which nearly existed, to try an' grow item that exists. because no other materials available. 1692683;1501702981;mircea_popescu;aha. 1692684;1501703031;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607160 observation ) 1692685;1501703031;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:44 asciilifeform: because unfortunately lenin was right when he wrote 'we build new world from the planks of the old shithouse we blew up, not from imported brick' 1692686;1501703082;mircea_popescu;by mass, the lenin world was built out of the fat of the idiots who lived in old shithouse, wrung out through their skin pores. 1692687;1501703108;asciilifeform;how else. 1692688;1501703119;hanbot;mod6 : coupla more typos, if you care, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jdZ6j/?raw=true 1692689;1501703278;asciilifeform;summary : asciilifeform is looking for a 1) 32 ( or greater ) bitness cpu 2) that is able to execute code WHOLLY from external bus ( a la 1980s ), incl from rom 3) not ARM 4) in production 1692690;1501703298;asciilifeform;5) not intel 1692691;1501703310;asciilifeform;if anyone has any knowledge, even thirdhand, of such a thing existing -- plz to post. 1692692;1501703315;mircea_popescu;6) documented. 1692693;1501703323;asciilifeform;either documented or reversed. 1692694;1501703332;mircea_popescu;how are these different ? 1692695;1501703341;asciilifeform;nm not different 1692696;1501703346;asciilifeform;i just dun care ~by whom~ documented. 1692697;1501703356;mircea_popescu;color of bits unimportant, we're not racists. 1692698;1501703380;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: aha. actually saw that already this morning. 1692699;1501703386;pete_dushenski;"The whole experience was horrifying," says Adam Lackman, founder of TVAddons and defendant in a copyright infringement lawsuit launched by the television giants. "It felt like the kind of thing you would have expected to have happened in the Soviet Union." << my fav quote from piece. 1692700;1501703395;pete_dushenski;like, no shit dude, wtf kinda revelation is this. another quiet #t reader, apparently. 1692701;1501703411;mircea_popescu;he's exactly right, at that. precisely the sort of thing that happenbs in soviet unions.\ 1692702;1501703482;pete_dushenski;the difference being, pravda didn't used to publish post-interrogation bitching by defendent. now... does. 1692703;1501703503;mircea_popescu;i don't see this in pravda. 1692704;1501703508;mircea_popescu;i see it in the same samizdat as always. 1692705;1501703535;pete_dushenski;cbc = canadian pravda 1692706;1501703553;pete_dushenski;it's official mouthpiece of Truth 1692707;1501703553;mircea_popescu;ah is it ? 1692708;1501703576;mircea_popescu;do you have stand your ground laws in canada ? 1692709;1501703598;pete_dushenski;"coming soon" (tm) 1692710;1501703605;asciilifeform;iirc they have the opposite 1692711;1501703612;mircea_popescu;im unfamiliar. 1692712;1501703617;pete_dushenski;but currently only law is koombaya motherfucker 1692713;1501703714;asciilifeform;briefly revisiting the cpu thing, incidentally i forgot a 7) not ppc 1692714;1501703728;asciilifeform;( and no sole-source garbage period. ) 1692715;1501703743;asciilifeform;which i'm quite confident leaves : the empty set. 1692716;1501703745;pete_dushenski;west will split off in my lifetime, probably into two pieces. prairies will have stand your ground, west coast will have "he's entitled to his opinion" 1692717;1501703748;mircea_popescu;powerpc was an intel tyhing i thought 1692718;1501703752;asciilifeform;ibm 1692719;1501703759;asciilifeform;they still sell it, even. 1692720;1501703769;mircea_popescu;ah 1692721;1501703819;asciilifeform;sparc fit all of the wish list conditions ( incl. being multi source ) when it was alive. today afaik dead. 1692722;1501703848;pete_dushenski;!~ later tell BingoBoingo working on blackzilla-infant photo. in the meantime, please enjoy these other lawnmower solutions http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/mobility-scooters-comparison-test-whill-vs-pride-vs-golden-tech-comparison-test 1692723;1501703849;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded. 1692724;1501703850;asciilifeform;major objective of the usg.oracle acquisition, was to nuke it. 1692725;1501704090;mircea_popescu;as per google : "SPARC is a global coalition committed to making Open the default for research and education." and Sparc - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparc Sparc is an exclusive import distributor for the Philippine market. 1692726;1501704106;asciilifeform;lolwat 1692727;1501704107;mircea_popescu;so indeed, nuked very well. they even invented "other things" to be it instead of it. 1692728;1501704110;mircea_popescu;oya. 1692729;1501704143;mircea_popescu;also a school of performing arts in community whatever. 1692730;1501704152;asciilifeform;probably 9000 things 1692731;1501704166;asciilifeform;at any rate the published opensparc fpga thing actually worx 1692732;1501704168;*;asciilifeform tested 1692733;1501704175;mircea_popescu;yep! and all the same things, too. "community", there;'s also a "sparc-climate science". 1692734;1501704182;asciilifeform;it's what the ru elbrus folx ripped off for elbrus. 1692735;1501704192;asciilifeform;and the ones in cn also iirc. 1692736;1501704249;mircea_popescu;for my own curiosity, what's the state of the art re "MINIMAL cpu design" ? ie, the theory of how many instructions mustg be in a set and why and per-instruction justification and everything ? 1692737;1501704257;mircea_popescu;you know, the basis of design and documentation. 1692738;1501704293;asciilifeform;this is actually asciilifeform's primary interest re subj 1692739;1501704304;mircea_popescu;im not exactly shocked. 1692740;1501704304;asciilifeform;and answer very very depends on what is required in terms of horse 1692741;1501704315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform design does not proceed towards requirement. 1692742;1501704320;mircea_popescu;design proceeds from available. 1692743;1501704374;asciilifeform;upstack -- you can do a great deal with 1 instruction. 1692744;1501704381;asciilifeform;( as in, 'oisc' ) 1692745;1501704389;asciilifeform;there are several known schemes for this. 1692746;1501704393;mircea_popescu;car gets internal combustion engine NOT because "the needs of the buyer", but because it needs a power plant and that's the better powerplant available. the needs oif the buyer are welcome to adapt. 1692747;1501704434;mircea_popescu;that's the design flow. automobile, therefore powerplant, therefore ice. 1692748;1501704451;asciilifeform;the basic tradeoff is, the fewer the moving parts in cpu, the more constrained is the horse by the switching elements' speed. 1692749;1501704467;asciilifeform;( consider, elementarily, pipeline vs. none , for instance. ) 1692750;1501704481;asciilifeform;or the cost of not having a barrel shifter. 1692751;1501704485;asciilifeform;or a multer. etc 1692752;1501704502;asciilifeform;( or, on the extreme end of things, not having arithmetic other than add-one. as scheme chip did. ) 1692753;1501704559;mircea_popescu;but the decision of whether to have or not have barrel shifter is strictly carried on the cost of it. 1692754;1501704616;mircea_popescu;(what is the total cost of this item ? what percentage of that is this new addition ? what is the output of this item ? what percentage of that would the new addition produce ? make these two rations equal, you're done adding parts.) 1692755;1501704632;mircea_popescu;ratios* 1692756;1501704661;asciilifeform;correct. but the answers to these depend SEVERELY on the substrate. for instance, if your thing lives in a fpga, not filling it up doesn't make it cycle any faster. so you want to actually use the available gates, if they can be used productively 1692757;1501704676;asciilifeform;ditto for a die made with particular process -- empty space doesn't get your money back 1692758;1501704678;mircea_popescu;so the cost will be 0, this is correct. 1692759;1501704691;asciilifeform;( it can lower thermal output, so still makes sense sometimes to have empty. ) 1692760;1501704696;mircea_popescu;the design of any general purpose item is above, there's no exceptions. 1692761;1501704711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the cost will be epsilon, 0 from real estate and epsilon from heat. 1692762;1501704715;asciilifeform;one other gotcha: complexity has a cost. 1692763;1501704719;mircea_popescu;definitely. 1692764;1501704727;mircea_popescu;this is not a gotcha. 1692765;1501704743;asciilifeform;it apparently is a surprise to some people. 1692766;1501704759;asciilifeform;( largely because they historically were able to externalize the cost. ) 1692767;1501704764;mircea_popescu;the usg not holding up to its side of any bargain it ever made -- also surprise. to some people. 1692768;1501704815;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr, the "register window" spark thing seems the height of idiocy, but what do i know. 1692769;1501704859;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was a pretty ordinary thing in '80s 1692770;1501704872;mircea_popescu;leaving aside how "our idea of scalable is to define a number up to 32 and then you can go from 3 to 32 and this is now scaling" hurr. 1692771;1501704872;*;asciilifeform not aficionado of sparc specifically. it's a complexityhog. 1692772;1501704916;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can't have infinitely elastic registers. there's N bits , physically. 1692773;1501704927;asciilifeform;the word is this-wide. 1692774;1501704931;mircea_popescu;you can not call your spec "scalable" while it has magic numbers in it. 1692775;1501704933;mircea_popescu;this is a fact. 1692776;1501704937;mircea_popescu;magic numbers === friable. 1692777;1501704947;asciilifeform;physical objects all contain immutable 'magic numbers'. 1692778;1501704952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at issue is the count of "registger windows" that can be implemented. 1692779;1501704955;mircea_popescu;not the register width. 1692780;1501704984;asciilifeform;the index into these is a register. having some immutable width. 1692781;1501704999;asciilifeform;the thing being indexed, gets populated ( or not ) exactly like, e.g., ipv4, or the holes in your pci bus, etc 1692782;1501705001;mircea_popescu;they did this dumb shit whereby passing was done by shared registers ; every process or w/e could see 8 proper and 8 shared or such. 1692783;1501705012;mircea_popescu;the number of such "register views" aka windows was a per-processor thing 1692784;1501705025;mircea_popescu;and the sparc designers imagined allowing this to be between x or y counts as "Scalable" 1692785;1501705055;asciilifeform;and yes it's ridiculous . but they forced themselves into it by having the window thing at all, is the idea. 1692786;1501705058;mircea_popescu;ie, if you implement 32 register views you're then making a server cpu whereas if you implement 3 you're thereby making an embeddable cpu 1692787;1501705076;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is true, but the fucking correct solution was to take the bs off not to "fix it". aaanyway 1692788;1501705084;asciilifeform;i mention sparc as a historic item, it is afaik no longer possible to source it. 1692789;1501705098;mircea_popescu;i don't think it was ever any good. 1692790;1501705120;asciilifeform;( other than by baking into fpga. which 1) introduces the 'which fpga, again' problem 2) if you have fpga, big enough for sparc, you can make up a SANE arch to go in it 1692791;1501705120;asciilifeform;) 1692792;1501705143;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's that thing amateur rocketry kids dfick with, what was it 1692793;1501705147;mircea_popescu;the raspberri before the raspberri 1692794;1501705164;asciilifeform;? 1692795;1501705168;mircea_popescu;gimme a sec 1692796;1501705228;mircea_popescu;http://www.rte.se/blog/blogg-modesty-corex/leon3-soft-processor < 1692797;1501705238;asciilifeform;fpga only 1692798;1501705244;mircea_popescu;32 bit thing, has source, vdhl etc. 1692799;1501705245;mircea_popescu;yes. 1692800;1501705248;asciilifeform;never existed as an actual physical chip. 1692801;1501705262;asciilifeform;there's NO shortage of these. 1692802;1501705266;asciilifeform;i have own, even. 1692803;1501705280;asciilifeform;what i was looking for, is actual physical off-the-shelf cpu. 1692804;1501705312;asciilifeform;( that doesn't rely on closed xilinx 20GB turdchain to fill, doesn't contain a flash rom, doesn't double as a frying pan ) 1692805;1501705313;mircea_popescu;http://gaisler.com/index.php << check them out heh 1692806;1501705346;mircea_popescu;dual-core leon3-ft processor, 200mips, 200mflops. 1692807;1501705348;asciilifeform;looks like golden toilet asicization exists (existed) ? 1692808;1501705352;asciilifeform;unsurprise 1692809;1501705354;asciilifeform;but go and buy. 1692810;1501705401;mircea_popescu;they're all asics, in the metal layer sense used in bitcoin mining. they deliver. 1692811;1501705420;asciilifeform;yes. but not on open market, is the point. 1692812;1501705428;mircea_popescu;as in buy on amazon ? 1692813;1501705458;asciilifeform;as in buy at digikey or other mainstream supply house . 1692814;1501705483;mircea_popescu;aha. neah, they sell like NSA sells FG. 1692815;1501705498;asciilifeform;( and if i were producing $box by the million, i wouldn't deal with these derps and use their weird arch, but have my own asiced. ) 1692816;1501705521;mircea_popescu;subject to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692736 1692817;1501705521;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 20:04 mircea_popescu: for my own curiosity, what's the state of the art re "MINIMAL cpu design" ? ie, the theory of how many instructions mustg be in a set and why and per-instruction justification and everything ? 1692818;1501705577;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677807 << see also thread... 1692819;1501705577;a111;Logged on 2017-06-30 19:42 asciilifeform: in fact, here's a new (afaik) scheme for tta. an instruction is THREE addresses, X, Y, Z. and it performs Z := X xor Y. 1692820;1501705702;mircea_popescu;to revisit a very ancient mp wonderment since his less-interested days ( http://trilema.com/2010/curiozitate-calculatoristica/ ) : why not ada-on-a-chip ? 1692821;1501705711;asciilifeform;what would that mean 1692822;1501705760;pete_dushenski;in other "we didn't mean to phork ITWASAJOKE", http://archive.is/JGbb0 1692823;1501705798;asciilifeform;( if mircea_popescu meant a chip-that-checks-bounds. which existed at various points, e.g. symbolics lineup supported ada natively just as well as lisps . ) 1692824;1501705810;mircea_popescu;no. i mean chip whose instructyion set is ada. 1692825;1501705837;asciilifeform;lol, as in basic interpreter, actually moving the fucking humanreadable strings around ? 1692826;1501705848;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. 1692827;1501705861;mircea_popescu;as in language-on-a-chip, no interpreter no compiler no linker no assembler. 1692828;1501705867;mircea_popescu;native code, is ada. 1692829;1501705877;asciilifeform;that'd mean 'shuffling the human strings' necessarily. 1692830;1501705885;mircea_popescu;so i guess -- like old lispm 1692831;1501705887;asciilifeform;which come in variable widths. 1692832;1501705896;asciilifeform;the lispm was pointedly NEVER anything of the kind. 1692833;1501705897;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ince when the fuck ? use whatever glyphs you want for the opcodes. 1692834;1501705909;asciilifeform;huamnreadables come in variablewidths, so this doesn't work in physical reality. 1692835;1501705948;mircea_popescu;humanreadable face on code is a GLYPH. the code is actually code. 1692836;1501705972;asciilifeform;in the end when you try an' make this, you end up with essentially the bolix chip. 1692837;1501705991;mircea_popescu;you currentyly know 0f is pop and 0f a9 is pop gs and so on. 1692838;1501706002;mircea_popescu;for the same money you could know 0f is if or whatever the fuck, ada instruction. 1692839;1501706010;asciilifeform;the addresses are where you diverge from humanreadablelang. 1692840;1501706014;asciilifeform;not the instructions. 1692841;1501706031;mircea_popescu;but i only asked for ada chip in sense of, cpu instruction set == ada language. 1692842;1501706093;asciilifeform;ada is interesting because 1) all array accesses bounds checked. you CAN hardwarize this. but also 2) whole program is forced to conform to strict rules, said conformance can only be evaluated during compilation, and strictly when taken as whole 1692843;1501706097;asciilifeform;you can't hardwarize 2. 1692844;1501706117;mircea_popescu;but you can in fact make the cpu run the same instruction set as the language allows ? 1692845;1501706178;*;asciilifeform cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion that leads to this question. 1692846;1501706196;mircea_popescu;hm. 1692847;1501706240;asciilifeform;possibly mircea_popescu had read my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46 piece. but in re lisps, there are specific operations that are missing from extant hardware : gc/cons, and boundscheckedarrayaccess. these are clumsily implemented in software. 1692848;1501706244;mircea_popescu;ok, let's approach it this way : is the point of a "high level language" strictly to clothe cpu instruction set in glyphs people like, or is there an actual substantive function to it beyond ux ? 1692849;1501706248;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692636 << neal stephenson at some point raised half a million dollars on kickstarter to write a realistic computer simulation/game for sword fighting. his target audience/groupies/support staff look remarkably similar to the people from the photo in this articles, including the one lady in renfair getup. 1692850;1501706248;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 19:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.laweekly.com/arts/the-highlander-taught-me-how-to-sword-fight-7558697 << actually apparently they have the same dumbass on the west coast, too. http://archive.razorcake.org/site/spaw/uploads/files/Liz_O_b.jpg 1692851;1501706255;mircea_popescu;(in other lulz nobody likely cares about, * Topic for #bolix is: *** IBM PCjr collectors club ) 1692852;1501706263;asciilifeform;lul 1692853;1501706278;mircea_popescu;phf supposedly this was for some charity with kidsd and shit. 1692854;1501706291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a substantive function, in transistor-poor era , to break down high level lang into the type of ops realistically fittable into silicon 1692855;1501706330;asciilifeform;ops like 'move these 64 bits from this-here-place to that-there-place' etc 1692856;1501706334;mircea_popescu;my hidden implication being that the traditional reasons to have the cleave are no longer sound. 1692857;1501706346;asciilifeform;that was the contention of my piece ( linked above ) 1692858;1501706366;mircea_popescu;so then why confusion of ideas ? 1692859;1501706373;asciilifeform;but it was written from specific pov of lispm aficionado gripe -- where's my boundschecked dereference and hardware gc. 1692860;1501706388;asciilifeform;from ada pov only the former is relevant. 1692861;1501706420;asciilifeform;but in neither case does the instr set 'fully correspond to the language'. in the case of ada in particular, there is a useful thing that happens ~where whole program~ is examined. 1692862;1501706438;trinque;"Your writing sounds like a rant of a person more crazy than I am." - Terry Davis << wahahahaha 1692863;1501706443;trinque;that's a true honor, right there. 1692864;1501706476;asciilifeform;trinque: hey, d00d is 'sane' enough that he offloads his insanity to a shannonizer. weakling!11 1692865;1501706583;mircea_popescu;trinque sauce ? 1692866;1501706613;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from commentz in my www, linked item 1692867;1501706645;trinque;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46&cpage=1#comment-98 1692868;1501706677;mircea_popescu;a. lol. wd! 1692869;1501706710;asciilifeform;lolty 1692870;1501706756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know a fellow tr0n/trinitr0n ? 1692871;1501706762;asciilifeform;dun think so 1692872;1501706838;mircea_popescu;aha. 1692873;1501706897;asciilifeform;...why? 1692874;1501706907;mircea_popescu;discussion in... #bolix 1692875;1501706966;asciilifeform;i'll confess, i never had a pc-jr. 1692876;1501706998;mircea_popescu;lel 1692877;1501707016;asciilifeform;1980s rubbish micro. 1692878;1501707063;asciilifeform;( was a cheapened version of ibmpc, circa '84 iirc ) 1692879;1501707903;mircea_popescu;aha. friend had one. 1692880;1501707956;asciilifeform;i dun think i ever had an 8086 without 640k 1692881;1501708469;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform phf http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SYECU/?raw=true bolix discussion (they dun wanna have it public). including first ever instance of a "who the fuck are you" handshake working out. 1692882;1501708542;pa1atine;hello 1692883;1501708555;mircea_popescu;hi 1692884;1501708943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i still have nfi which d00d it is, who claimed to know me 1692885;1501708952;mircea_popescu;it's all in there. 1692886;1501708960;*;asciilifeform reads.. 1692887;1501708965;mircea_popescu;but -- everyone knows you. get used to it. 1692888;1501708983;asciilifeform;so far sad folx, referring to loongson as if it existed 1692889;1501709013;asciilifeform;and even to 'mill' ( a gavinization of a poor reading of asciilifeform's unbuilt arch ) 1692890;1501709051;mircea_popescu;i was rather positively impressed. 1692891;1501709090;asciilifeform;it isn't the typical pit of screaming imbeciles, tru 1692892;1501709094;mircea_popescu;anyway, to a certain (EXTREMELY FUCKING LARGE) degree, people being weary of redditatds one day popping in is entirely understandable to me. 1692893;1501709127;asciilifeform;the 'please dun log us' bit is lulzy considering fleanode. 1692894;1501709138;asciilifeform;it == 'only nsa log us plox' 1692895;1501709174;mircea_popescu;ya well. 1692896;1501709330;asciilifeform;lol looks like a bolixwhisperer 1692897;1501709338;phf;:) 1692898;1501709350;asciilifeform;why not ask him why he didn't bittorrent WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING STASH 1692899;1501709354;asciilifeform;lemme guess, 'reasons' 1692900;1501709372;asciilifeform;d00d ain't an archaeologist, he's a grave robber. 1692901;1501709385;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im a guest there, what. am i going to go around visiting people and organising their harems ? 1692902;1501709386;asciilifeform;sitting on stash and inflating own sense of significance by 'keeping seekrits' 1692903;1501709391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fair 1692904;1501709397;asciilifeform;rhetorical 'ask'im' 1692905;1501709455;mircea_popescu;i did ask as far as i judge polite. 1692906;1501709459;asciilifeform;gridcompass was neato btw 1692907;1501709465;asciilifeform;i've been trying to buy one for ages. 1692908;1501709488;asciilifeform;( 1st lappy in any useful sense of the word. powered -- and afaik still does - american and french 'nuke football', among other applications. ) 1692909;1501709489;phf;i know trinitr0n personally, and i also spent time on #bolix a year or so ago, but snr went down, and now it's mostly tr0n's personal shit talking place, so i just communicate with a handful of people from that channel who i think are useful by other means 1692910;1501709522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i read to the end and still have nfi who these folx are. i suspect we have ( charitably ) case of mistaken identity. 1692911;1501709543;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is unable to map the fella in the snippet to anyone he ever met in meatspace or corresponded with. 1692912;1501709594;phf;we also talked a few times about him emailing asciilifeform about symbolics hardware, either with a dismissive reply or no reply at all. 1692913;1501709621;mircea_popescu;wait, you sat there watching alf bitchslap random guy and shaking your head ? lol 1692914;1501709623;asciilifeform;phf: y'know if you suspected the mail ain't getting through -- could have asked. 1692915;1501709643;asciilifeform;it ain't any kind of mystery how to contact asciilifeform , or where 1692916;1501709696;phf;that was before i knew either tr0n or probably even asciilifeform for that matter. ascii's been posting bolix stuff for a while now, and i'm not particularly keen on mediating this relationship. 1692917;1501709710;mircea_popescu;lel 1692918;1501709763;mircea_popescu;phf's nightmare fuel, high octane : being alf's personal secretary in an alt-soviet ww2 wherein alf is zhukov. 1692919;1501709931;phf;perhaps if it was my only thing to do, but i would still probably find myself staring down a barrel of a nagant at some point 1692920;1501709955;mircea_popescu;hey, as per regulations that's what you have to do anyway as part of cleaning them 1692921;1501710011;mircea_popescu;anyway. so far i've not discovered a discrete way to help teh good folk. 1692922;1501710064;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the strong claim was that he was the guy that finally fitted disk to symbolics. 1692923;1501710143;mircea_popescu;phf do you also know who the quails fellow is ? someone or just local beck ? 1692924;1501710360;phf;the later, in fact that little snippet of quails piping in reminded my why i don't spend time on bolix. 1692925;1501710366;mircea_popescu;i see. 1692926;1501710450;mircea_popescu;well, i guess see if ian wants to reg a pgp key, i'd rate him. if nothing else, on the strength of 1692927;1501710462;mircea_popescu;here you go asciilifeform : https://www.instagram.com/tr1nitr0n/ 1692928;1501710464;mircea_popescu;seattle guy. 1692929;1501710746;asciilifeform;never met 1692930;1501710753;asciilifeform;never afaik wrote. 1692931;1501710759;mircea_popescu;i believe. 1692932;1501710765;asciilifeform;looks to be connected with the 'lispm engineer' derp even 1692933;1501710802;mircea_popescu;the fate of fame is that more people will have an oppinion of you than you ever met. 1692934;1501710825;asciilifeform;!~google site:http://www.loper-os.org tr0n 1692935;1501710826;jhvh1;asciilifeform: No matches found. 1692936;1501710840;asciilifeform;!~google site:http://www.loper-os.org tr1nitr0n 1692937;1501710842;jhvh1;asciilifeform: No matches found. 1692938;1501710848;asciilifeform;yeah didnt think so , not there either. 1692939;1501710855;asciilifeform;( was thinking -- comment d00d ? ) 1692940;1501710932;asciilifeform;'A break from my usual exotic, esoteric, rare and high-end vintage computers- I built a 486DX2 66mhz DOS shitbox for reliving my childhood.' ( from his twatter ) << lulzily, i did this recently.. 1692941;1501710948;mircea_popescu;"attache -- the compact computer for the professional". back when computer guy had to go around with toolbox the size of plumber's. 1692942;1501710994;asciilifeform;grid? 1692943;1501711003;asciilifeform;was 1st porta-comp that wasn't 'oscilloscope' shaped 1692944;1501711012;mircea_popescu;nah, that large thing with the keyboard unwrapping off the top. 1692945;1501711044;mircea_popescu;http://oldcomputers.net/attache.html 1692946;1501711057;asciilifeform;ah that's called 'luggable' 1692947;1501711061;asciilifeform;i.e. 'oscilloscope shaped' 1692948;1501711061;mircea_popescu;18lbs 1692949;1501711075;asciilifeform;aka 'herniators' 1692950;1501711165;mircea_popescu;"Comments: Interested in finding the value of a like new Otrona Attache. all accessories (including carry case)and documentation and software with it. Used only once to wright a college paper." 1692951;1501711174;mircea_popescu;marriage-college plan worked irl. 1692952;1501711178;asciilifeform;lol! 1692953;1501711194;asciilifeform;at least not to... right a collegepaper 1692954;1501711198;asciilifeform;or to rite. 1692955;1501711224;mircea_popescu;dali was a drawtsriteman. 1692956;1501711286;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes any chance you check out this "people's comp museum" next seattle trip ? 1692957;1501711315;asciilifeform;d00d's twatter full of liberasty of various sorts 1692958;1501711324;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. 1692959;1501711350;mircea_popescu;in other news : all the chicks in cairo wore the cairo chick dress, and every chick here is wearing jeans. permanently. dressing up = different top, same jeans. 1692960;1501711354;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: sure 1692961;1501711377;mircea_popescu;cool deal 1692962;1501711511;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp9NHNKTV-M << from d00d's links: circa 1993 film of mit ai lab 9th floor, walkaround. possibly interesting to phf et al. 1692963;1501711558;asciilifeform;at 1"04' pile of bolix, connectionmachine, etc 1692964;1501711724;phf;yeah, that's a beautiful video 1692965;1501711768;asciilifeform;betcha there ain't a single nonx86 comp ( or nonx86 brain!11 ) in that bldg right nao 1692966;1501711771;phf;not even just because of bolix, but the overall "there's working being done here" feel 1692967;1501711771;asciilifeform;if it even still stands. 1692968;1501711774;asciilifeform;aha!! 1692969;1501711803;asciilifeform;the 1/8th scale (!!) chopper alone, tells tale 1692970;1501711806;mircea_popescu;looks ~same as the cluj itc, cca 1985 1692971;1501711835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: each of those fat squat boxes is a 3650 and was something like 200k usd ( 1980s usd ) 1692972;1501711858;mircea_popescu;i believe. to my eye that's not apparent, just, you know, "Whatever boxes they use" 1692973;1501711871;asciilifeform;that's the detail that makes asciilifeform's jaw drop tho. 1692974;1501711881;asciilifeform;other than that : looks like 'ordinary' uni lab 1692975;1501711894;mircea_popescu;aha. 1692976;1501711918;mircea_popescu;so... two dozen 1/4mn boxes, what of it ? ordinary print shop 1692977;1501711929;mircea_popescu;actually the ancient web presses were coupla mil a pop. 1692978;1501711963;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is not the golden toilet aspect, but that mit bought up a good % of the whole run 1692979;1501711979;asciilifeform;( there were maybe a 1000 made, iirc ) 1692980;1501712046;asciilifeform;9"0' : 'whatcha up to?' 'making some retinal implants...' 'didja solve the glue problem' 'yea we solved the glue problem..' 1692981;1501712083;mircea_popescu;o ? i wasn't aware that was solved even. 1692982;1501712096;mircea_popescu;afaik retinal implants still in spreading-works stage 1692983;1501712103;asciilifeform;afaik yea 1692984;1501712169;mircea_popescu;major problem is that few people lose vision through retinal failure in a way that produces total blindness. 1692985;1501712206;asciilifeform;mostly laser victims 1692986;1501712217;mircea_popescu;the way it usually works is that they lose focus vision but retain lateral vision (this is how chet's eyes work). this then can through intensive training be taken to the point where you can actually write code. whereas surgery to implant a) doesn't yield very good focus vision and b)c threatens complete destruction of peripheral remnants. 1692987;1501712217;asciilifeform;and little else 1692988;1501712244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform retinal driven blindness is usually circulatory/vascular in nature. 1692989;1501712255;asciilifeform;(b) is a recurring boojum in prosthetics as a whole 1692990;1501712259;mircea_popescu;aga 1692991;1501712287;asciilifeform;from same twatter, lulz, 'jwz: DNA Lounge update, wherein DNA Lounge will be closed soon, without your help.' 1692992;1501712289;asciilifeform;i had nfi! 1692993;1501712300;mircea_popescu;what is that ? 1692994;1501712303;*;asciilifeform looks at derp's www, finds that it still alive, but begging for donations 1692995;1501712306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the original jwz 1692996;1501712313;asciilifeform;he ran a restaurant/club thing 1692997;1501712314;mircea_popescu;oh the guy made a bar right 1692998;1501712315;asciilifeform;now begs 1692999;1501712324;mircea_popescu;yua ya. shoulda put naked sluts on the stage. 1693000;1501712334;asciilifeform;'just wanted!' 1693001;1501712340;mircea_popescu;mmmyea. 1693002;1501712373;mircea_popescu;in other well shaped and well dressed, http://68.media.tumblr.com/56b10c953900f1ad147c935f36207323/tumblr_o8lr32uyO61stijv1o1_1280.jpg 1693003;1501712376;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/2uzG7 for posterity. ) 1693004;1501712423;phf;i think if he stuck to the original "cyberia" vision from The Hackers instead of leaning towards the whole san francisco cyber goth thing, but then you can't really bring new york cool to san francisco anyway 1693005;1501712443;asciilifeform;phf: i dunno how to parse this 1693006;1501712448;phf;or what was it, cyberdelia 1693007;1501712470;mircea_popescu;phf he tried and failed from hwat i hear. though i hear via actual bar people, as opposed to itards, and it's mixed in "shithead has nfi how to run a bar" expletives. 1693008;1501712501;asciilifeform;' RoHS = Restrictions on Hand Soldering ' ( good one. and true : as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 , shit dun melt worth shit with any available iron ) 1693009;1501712538;phf;well, how do they have it with the restauranteurs: you have the guy who designs the concept and then you have the day manager who actually runs the place 1693010;1501712619;mircea_popescu;i am not aware of a successful restaurant that was built as you describe. you have a) the funes style restaurants, owned and operated by an actual expert chef. these are 50-50 for roi. b) the "prestige" restaurants of very large hotel conglomerates. these always lose money and are the mud from which a sprouts and in which a goes to die. and then you have the roadside diners. and then d) you have the franchises. 1693011;1501712621;mircea_popescu;were you talking d ?> 1693012;1501712642;asciilifeform;http://kremlin.enterprises/post/129322695175/your-code-is-so-bad-we-had-to-make-etclocal << another whisperer 1693013;1501712648;asciilifeform;( linked from subj ) 1693014;1501712674;asciilifeform;rembrandting the poor old junkers 1693015;1501712687;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm thinking stephen starr 1693016;1501712735;mircea_popescu;in my mind that's a. 1693017;1501712737;mircea_popescu;no ? 1693018;1501712747;asciilifeform;'selling even one of these in today’s market would recoup the cost of everything we purchased, the van rental & gas between here and boston, the cost of freighting hundreds and hundreds of pounds of equipment from new york to washington state with enough left over to purchase a brand new macbook' 1693019;1501712752;mircea_popescu;or did he do the whole tv franchise bs and left coucou ? 1693020;1501712822;mircea_popescu;a yeah, check that out, franchised. sad. i've not seen the books but i'll bet you the conglomerate lost money q1 2017. 1693021;1501712912;phf;i'm pretty sure starr himself is not a cook, but apparently the whole starr restaurant is not his first venture, he started as a large-scale stadium concert organizer (? i'm not sure what to call that role), so who knows how much cash he put into his restaurant venture 1693022;1501712973;mircea_popescu;i suppose the situation is tight coupling between businessman and chef, which meanwhile disolved. i still count it as an a, except the funes item came in thje shape of starr/rose binome. 1693023;1501713008;phf;right 1693024;1501713017;phf;well, right, this is not any kind of area of jwz 1693025;1501713019;phf;err 1693026;1501713028;phf;jwz's expertise 1693027;1501713048;mircea_popescu;anyway, the idea was, restaurants don't work like apple stores, there's a "concept store" etc. they work more like music acts i guess. 1693028;1501713067;mircea_popescu;but yeah, starr had a cabaret when he was a kid, just like you. fucked cindi lauper into womanhood and so on. 1693029;1501713367;asciilifeform;apparently https://www.instagram.com/kalmanreti existed. 1693030;1501713369;*;asciilifeform had nfi 1693031;1501713407;asciilifeform;it is hilarious, all of these d00dz know one another 1693032;1501713413;asciilifeform;have own whispererwot 1693033;1501713452;asciilifeform;and studiously avoided ever writing to asciilifeform , though will claim to have, and even to have met him in meat ( i know quite well that i have met none, and never saw any such mail ) 1693034;1501713575;asciilifeform;i will illustrate my comment 'they are grave robbers, not archaeologists'. take, for instance, https://www.instagram.com/p/BUXulHRgjEZ/?taken-by=tr1nitr0n ( it dun show on archive.is, i have nfi why . ) pictured is derp buys 4 (! and where?!) smbx ivory cpu 1693035;1501713595;asciilifeform;and who knows how many idiots like this, for how many years, and guess what, NOT ONE electron micrograph published 1693036;1501713602;asciilifeform;NOT ONE fully working emulator 1693037;1501713607;asciilifeform;NOT ONE even full instruction set doc. 1693038;1501713629;asciilifeform;but 'black archaeology' imbecile gets to feel warm an' speshul. 1693039;1501713642;asciilifeform;and rembrandts them on, to next idiot, for 100x price, 'to the moon!' 1693040;1501713758;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631499 << see also... 1693041;1501713758;a111;Logged on 2017-03-23 03:17 asciilifeform: it is almost as if they did not want their 3-10k $ investments to turn into the equivalent of old nintendo. 1693042;1501713795;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631510 in particular. 1693043;1501713795;a111;Logged on 2017-03-23 03:26 asciilifeform: the 'collectors', in my experience, have been the farthest possible thing from a help -- quite a hindrance, in fact. 1693044;1501713862;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other lulz : i just brokered a deal whereby we could in principle get candi to run off vintage iron, as a hosting deal :D 1693045;1501713875;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato - what kind ? 1693046;1501713920;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gNGre/?raw=true 1693047;1501713976;asciilifeform;thing eats maybe a full kW/hr 1693048;1501713984;asciilifeform;so promises to be expensive hoster. 1693049;1501713990;asciilifeform;but not impossible in principle 1693050;1501713994;mircea_popescu;hey, actual lisp machine 1693051;1501714003;asciilifeform;iirc phf has a working 400 1693052;1501714076;asciilifeform;it ain't terribly useful as a headless deployment thing, tho, really shines as dev tool 1693053;1501714109;asciilifeform;( no lispm ever built in the classical period had anything like the address space to make it bitcoin-capable, for instance ) 1693054;1501714124;mircea_popescu;i'm not sure there's much limitation on usage. 1693055;1501714156;asciilifeform;even 200msec of lag makes x11 pipe pretty useless in practice in asciilifeform's experience 1693056;1501714217;mircea_popescu;understand : the neurotic chick that's fucked regular, unbecomes neurotic. the sane chick not fucked, becomes. 1693057;1501714221;phf;it is possibly because 3600 series is a hog. xl1201 is snappy, i got it to render a jpeg over the wire for example, all the hacking was done on machine over x11 1693058;1501714222;mircea_popescu;usage creates organs. nothing else. 1693059;1501714244;asciilifeform;phf: yes but over x11 in your house, not over half a planet 1693060;1501714249;phf;ah 1693061;1501714273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: know also, these weren't in any sense whatsoever multiuser. 1693062;1501714295;asciilifeform;whoever has the console, has full r/w to whole box 1693063;1501714295;mircea_popescu;as opposed to what. 1693064;1501714307;asciilifeform;as opposed to unix etc abstraction 1693065;1501714321;asciilifeform;there was no pretense of isolation in lispm. 1693066;1501714326;mircea_popescu;i've yet to buy a multiuser box. 1693067;1501714377;asciilifeform;and d00d himself points out re low mtbf. which is sadly tru for ancient box for which ~no replacement parts exist. 1693068;1501714394;asciilifeform;( is why the rembrandtists buy'em by the dozen, $100,000's worth ) 1693069;1501714439;asciilifeform;collectors, in my experience, are wholly http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631728 . 1693070;1501714439;a111;Logged on 2017-03-23 15:17 mircea_popescu: and this in the best case, a good half simply buy them to deny it to memory strokers in the hope of geting more $$$ later. 1693071;1501714462;mircea_popescu;the point however, is that if this gets going he'll be (justly) motivated to do more work, replacement wise on them etc. 1693072;1501714482;mircea_popescu;the more you pull on the nipples, the bigger the tits grow. 1693073;1501714490;asciilifeform;we're talking about a nonrenewable resource. 1693074;1501714500;asciilifeform;that's already largely spent. 1693075;1501714501;mircea_popescu;not so. the "replace hdd" item is proof of this. 1693076;1501714508;asciilifeform;the hdd is the easy bit. 1693077;1501714517;asciilifeform;go an' replace the 'ivory'. 1693078;1501714523;mircea_popescu;is the easy bit because it was done. 1693079;1501714552;mircea_popescu;there's a very strictly defined ingredient which distinguishes the cargo cult scavenger worlds from the renaissance scavenger worlds. 1693080;1501714556;asciilifeform;not a single 1 of these folx show any symptom whatsoever of having a microscopic part of the most elementary clue re what is involved. 1693081;1501714560;mircea_popescu;the latter pull on the tits. the former do not. 1693082;1501714583;mircea_popescu;1500 italy was, just as much as 1960 pacifgic islands, a scavenger culture. 1693083;1501714647;asciilifeform;quite mistaken comparison. classical texts were copyable with bare hands. 1693084;1501714651;asciilifeform;unlike silicon. 1693085;1501714676;mircea_popescu;they werre not, no. 1693086;1501714687;mircea_popescu;"bare hands" at the time meant low control high force "i can move rocks hehe". 1693087;1501714704;mircea_popescu;classical text were copyable by hands of higher capital value than today's silicon copier. 1693088;1501714734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is as always quite eager to lowball the market value of anyone not himself 1693089;1501714790;mircea_popescu;it is a matter of fact, though. a monk was fucking expensive. more so than the modern item in question. 1693090;1501714795;asciilifeform;on my planet , it is ~impossible to hire even ordinary winblowz reversing for anything like sane moneys. 1693091;1501714809;mircea_popescu;no argument on that end. 1693092;1501714868;asciilifeform;also i'll note, there are 2 types of copy, the basic 'soviet' type ( where you life everything incl. dec's 'when you care enough to steal the very best' easter egg inscription ) and the kind where you actually get the ~concept~ out 1693093;1501714887;mircea_popescu;the copy under discussion spanned that gamut. 1693094;1501714888;asciilifeform;the former is helpful in propagating the artifact where it may eventually fall into the hands of the latter 1693095;1501714890;asciilifeform;but strictly that. 1693096;1501714894;mircea_popescu;half the time even copied random strings in. 1693097;1501714905;asciilifeform;this yea 1693098;1501714953;mircea_popescu;but, understand : copying monk cca 1490 was worth, in adjusted terms, more than the current 747 jet trump bought. 1693099;1501714989;asciilifeform;dunno that the market reflected this notion 1693100;1501714995;mircea_popescu;there is a moment in frank history when this third brother raised up in rebellion because his father disinherited him. and he had... no artefacts. this was a huge fucking deal, they had not a single book to know how to organize the state/church. 1693101;1501715059;mircea_popescu;so yea, the market reflected. 1693102;1501715282;mircea_popescu;in the simplest of terms, no afghan goes "we must make peace with trump because he bought himself a jet". at the time, this literally happened, "we can not be at war with these people they have books". 1693103;1501715449;asciilifeform;the turks somehow did just fine 'organizing church and state' without them bookz 1693104;1501715507;mircea_popescu;except not at all without. i personally sat on the steps of oldest university in europe -- in istanbul. 1200s 1693105;1501715538;asciilifeform;i meant the specific ones denied to the rebelling son. ( rather than 'any' ) 1693106;1501715544;asciilifeform;turks had own 'second source'. 1693107;1501715577;mircea_popescu;this is not very clear. turks captured cairo because htey held constantinople. 1693108;1501715621;mircea_popescu;this is not happenstance. cairo fell in 1517 BECAUSE constantinople had fallen, and for no other reason. 1693109;1501715630;mircea_popescu;before that, it was "who the fuck are these anons" all the way. 1693110;1501715686;asciilifeform;i thought constantinopol was 'all pasture inside' at that point..? 1693111;1501715699;mircea_popescu;just like symbolics is, neh ? 1693112;1501715718;asciilifeform;liek bolix after the whisperers are done burning through the last ivory's mtbf yea 1693113;1501715753;mircea_popescu;constantinople wasn't so important militarily ; but certainly in the copying monk sense here discussed. even after the venetians sacked it, it still had shit. 1693114;1501715765;asciilifeform;( collectors, i say, are to bolix as phylloxera is to wine. ) 1693115;1501715817;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if this was so ( and iirc it was how u. eco painted it , and for some reason i balked ) then yes 1693116;1501715849;mircea_popescu;nobody knows how things were as a matter of fact ; but the notion has plenty of skin on its bones. 1693117;1501715855;asciilifeform;( imho hard to picture how the 'still had shit' could sit there yet- unpilfered by that point ) 1693118;1501715867;mircea_popescu;you have to understand what it is to steal it. 1693119;1501715879;mircea_popescu;women, books, what have you. 1693120;1501715879;asciilifeform;now THIS is very much a thing 1693121;1501716032;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692922 << i let this slip by somehow. afaik this is STILL unsolved in the open lit. ( 'this' being 'fpga glue for ssd replacement of st506 drive' ) 1693122;1501716032;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 21:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the strong claim was that he was the guy that finally fitted disk to symbolics. 1693123;1501716032;mircea_popescu;anyway. it was a big deal enough for qayser-i rhim to be a thing. 1693124;1501716116;asciilifeform;( and that was the EASIEST bit. the console protocol, for instance, is still undocumented; and last time asciilifeform gave a shit, he did not - and still does not - have test equipment fast enough to sample the 200+MHz analogue waveform accurately ) 1693125;1501716239;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/iSZ4r3h.jpg in other news. 1693126;1501716356;mod6;<+hanbot> mod6 : coupla more typos, if you care, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jdZ6j/?raw=true << good finds, thanks for reading & reporting! 1693127;1501716388;mod6;<+hanbot> mod6 : supar nitpick in yer v.pl help, "Mirrors command my only be invoked by itself." /may only << this too, salud. 1693128;1501721626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/N6hLr/?raw=true 1693129;1501721664;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "Uber’s lawyer: What is the patent that is left in the case, as you understand it? Page: I have no idea." (from google-uber suit, via #bolix). 1693130;1501722484;shinohai;https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-bcc.html <<< kek 1693131;1501722567;mircea_popescu;awww 1693132;1501723067;mod6;<+asciilifeform> aka 'herniators' << lol 1693133;1501723372;asciilifeform;lol asciilifeform kicked from #bolix, without even saying word 1693134;1501723381;*;asciilifeform goes to see why 1693135;1501723553;asciilifeform;remains mystery. 1693136;1501725665;mircea_popescu;in other silent joys, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b7de212ce1b86a6249a5282577b807e8/tumblr_o7woe8dcgO1u9uov7o1_500.gif 1693137;1501725680;asciilifeform;lol i think we did this one! 1693138;1501725700;mod6;niiice 1693139;1501725709;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693130 << poor buggerz, chinese hotel must've unplugged.. 1693140;1501725709;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 01:08 shinohai: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-bcc.html <<< kek 1693141;1501725781;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1693142;1501725836;mod6;Remy Le Croix in that gif 1693143;1501725857;mircea_popescu;mod6 aha 1693144;1501725873;mircea_popescu;shorther than a duck's knee. 1693145;1501725882;mod6;hehe 1693146;1501725888;mod6;hottie 1693147;1501725926;mircea_popescu;talented fo sho 1693148;1501727008;BingoBoingo;!~ later tell cazalla Oh hai thur 1693149;1501727008;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1693150;1501731537;asciilifeform;https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz. 1693151;1501731546;asciilifeform;phf ^ is he one of yours ? 1693152;1501731732;mircea_popescu;is bolix very slow at rsa ? 1693153;1501731746;asciilifeform;not particularly 1693154;1501731754;asciilifeform;i'd estimate roughly 386 equiv 1693155;1501731801;mircea_popescu;lulz from the dood suggesting "in between server", http://eschatologist.net/blog/ : ""Italian author Umberto Eco defined “Ur-Fascism” in an article in the New York Review of Books in June, 1995. It can be distilled into fourteen points. It’s worth taking a look at these to see just what our society is dealing with when it comes to “alt-right” Neo-Nazis and the ideology they promote. 1693156;1501731814;mircea_popescu;somehow herdemocracy pantsuits very visible among the lisp crowd. 1693157;1501731839;asciilifeform;very very visible 1693158;1501731851;asciilifeform;tho it ain't so much 'lisp crowd' as much as californirasts. 1693159;1501731859;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1693160;1501731901;asciilifeform;aka 'bay aryans' 1693161;1501731904;mircea_popescu;anyway, rather lulzy nonsense. "because it rejects the decay started with the age of pantsuit, it therefore is irrationalist". because totally, the french communists invented thinking. 1693162;1501731910;mircea_popescu;perhaps also invented fucking and drinking water. 1693163;1501731954;asciilifeform;'The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”' lol!! 1693164;1501731976;mircea_popescu;which is a subtle shift from what mp actually says on the topic. primo strawman. 1693165;1501731990;asciilifeform;predictable shift. 1693166;1501731996;asciilifeform;( on all 14 ) 1693167;1501731997;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1693168;1501732006;asciilifeform;where was that trilema... 1693169;1501732026;asciilifeform;!#s sanity dogma 1693170;1501732027;a111;5 results for "sanity dogma", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sanity%20dogma 1693171;1501732028;mircea_popescu;of course, #14 becomes problematic seeing how the general pantsuit objection is "too complex". 1693172;1501732101;asciilifeform;'Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”' didjaknow! 1693173;1501732153;*;mircea_popescu attempted to leave comment ("You're not very smart, are you. You'd like to be, obviously. But that's not the same thing."). on every attempt, a different field is supposedly not filled. 1693174;1501732194;mircea_popescu;and then eventually, "internal error or misconfiguration" 1693175;1501732200;mircea_popescu;why do i even bother with all the nitwits. 1693176;1501732321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re rsa, i'm looking forward to msdos ffa test. 1693177;1501732352;asciilifeform;( afaik there is not a 16bit gnat/djgpp. but 32bit with prot.mode extender oughta work ok ) 1693178;1501732418;asciilifeform;dos box cum laser is still imho 'state of art' re airgaptrons. 1693179;1501732837;mircea_popescu;bear with me 1693180;1501732855;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would register width matter ? can't have 4 bit gnat for some reason ? 1693181;1501732942;asciilifeform;can ! 1693182;1501732946;asciilifeform;if someone were to write one. 1693183;1501732955;mircea_popescu;getting back to the "i'm from california and thereby i'm fucked in the head" thread, "Configure GitHub to look Symbolicsish ; Configure YouTube to look Symbolicsish". this "task" pretty much explains the whole thing imo. 1693184;1501732956;asciilifeform;but '16 bit' x86 is not just about bitness 1693185;1501732969;asciilifeform;it is about quite different instr set, and arch ( incl. the use of segments ) 1693186;1501732977;asciilifeform;so gcc pointedly never targeted it. 1693187;1501732982;asciilifeform;because it's a crippled horror 1693188;1501732987;mircea_popescu;myeah, i figured "fuck you, write the paging yourself" the moment 4 bit was out of my mouth. 1693189;1501733028;asciilifeform;16bit 'p' will prolly have to be asmed by hand. 1693190;1501733033;asciilifeform;good student project. 1693191;1501733056;asciilifeform;( and not even 640, but 64k, i will point out, is plenty ) 1693192;1501733267;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693151 << what do you mean by that? we discussed him in logs, he's got fuck you money, which he burns on symbolics hardware from dks 1693193;1501733267;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 03:39 asciilifeform: phf ^ is he one of yours ? 1693194;1501733286;asciilifeform;phf: nm i since found the l0gz item 1693195;1501733292;mircea_popescu;douglas fields, was it 1693196;1501734016;asciilifeform;lol i might have found a buyer for ye olde 3620 1693197;1501734079;mircea_popescu;ah, you were selling it ? 1693198;1501734087;asciilifeform;for many years 1693199;1501734093;mircea_popescu;bitcoin only or buyer's choice ? 1693200;1501734094;asciilifeform;last d00d who 'i will fly out for it!' was adlai 1693201;1501734096;asciilifeform;never showed 1693202;1501734111;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: current d00d offers to trade for a qty of raw 'ivory's 1693203;1501734117;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1693204;1501734121;asciilifeform;which is a fine trade. 1693205;1501734128;asciilifeform;supposing that one day i find another d00d who has the pinout... 1693206;1501735858;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1693207;1501735877;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2719.84, vol: 8939.05416383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2713.3, vol: 22831.32753829 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2720.672955, vol: 14635.66870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2726.99, vol: 7289.61562388 | Volume-weighted last average: 2718.25690618 1693208;1501750294;cazalla;asciilifeform, NSA actually ships? :P nice 1693209;1501750491;cazalla;listening to a podcast with that neo bee danny brewster guy being interviewed, says he should've listened to mircea_popescu lol 1693210;1501750680;cazalla;@ 4:43:11 if you so care https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-brewster-trooper-satoshi-point-have-a-foursome-with-junseth 1693211;1501769605;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ABRKj/?raw=true 1693212;1501769605;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1693213;1501769719;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693208 << indeed ships. 1693214;1501769719;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 08:51 cazalla: asciilifeform, NSA actually ships? :P nice 1693215;1501771827;asciilifeform;meanwhile, at the monkey circus, https://archive.is/RiGV4 >> 'Going to be lolz epic when all the SegWit transactions are double-spent, i.e. stolen by miners on The Real Bitcoin (the legacy Satoshi blockchain).' 'Go ahead and continue voting to close and censor this question. It will not change the embarrassment that you will have when it comes true and all the losses that people sustain because you blocked timely disclosure. Your cen 1693216;1501771827;asciilifeform;sorship only further lowers your future reputation.' 1693217;1501771898;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/5TW5M << 'we read #trilema and won't say it and ergo We Thought Of It All Ourselves ' 1693218;1501772009;asciilifeform;also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin' 1693219;1501772100;mod6;lol 1693220;1501772223;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1693221;1501772917;shinohai;" put on hold as primarily opinion-based by ....... Pieter Wuille,Jul 29 at 17:41 " 1693222;1501772921;shinohai;Lollerz 1693223;1501773477;*;BingoBoingo dreamt that mp staged a "reality show" style social experiment. Series of competitions where contestants were coached to act on Trilema principles, "cause not purpose" to prevail. Then as soon as contestants were told filimg stopped the "moo-moo" resumed. 1693224;1501773577;BingoBoingo;Limited edition collectible soaps were then made from the contestants and offered to fans. 1693225;1501773830;BingoBoingo;OMG Crashing https://archive.is/PijL7 #4 behind Ether huffing and RIPple 1693226;1501773970;*;shinohai is still amazed people actually use Ripple 1693227;1501774426;mod6;lol 1693228;1501776274;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693209 << good for a lol. 1693229;1501776274;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 08:54 cazalla: listening to a podcast with that neo bee danny brewster guy being interviewed, says he should've listened to mircea_popescu lol 1693230;1501776384;ben_vulpes;that anonymint feller is really going for the gold in plagiarism 1693231;1501776462;mircea_popescu;hey, there's such paucity of ideas in the fiat world, it's somehow unsurprising when escaped victim goes hog wild in the clover patch. 1693232;1501776654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ezo6N/?raw=true 1693233;1501776710;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ok worx 1693234;1501776748;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693218 << i thought the dude carefully linked to the foundation website. 1693235;1501776748;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 14:53 asciilifeform: also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin' 1693236;1501776768;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693223 lol! 1693237;1501776768;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 15:17 BingoBoingo dreamt that mp staged a "reality show" style social experiment. Series of competitions where contestants were coached to act on Trilema principles, "cause not purpose" to prevail. Then as soon as contestants were told filimg stopped the "moo-moo" resumed. 1693238;1501776799;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693218 << i thought the dude carefully linked to the foundation website << it is, ya 1693239;1501776799;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 14:53 asciilifeform: also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin' 1693240;1501776813;mircea_popescu;aite. 1693241;1501776832;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693225 << nothing got archived ? what was teh orig url or ? 1693242;1501776832;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 15:23 BingoBoingo: OMG Crashing https://archive.is/PijL7 #4 behind Ether huffing and RIPple 1693243;1501776869;trinque;at least two archive.is links doing that 1693244;1501776872;trinque;maybe they're down atm 1693245;1501776875;mircea_popescu;hm 1693246;1501776879;trinque;asciilifeform's worked earlier 1693247;1501776880;mod6;yah ^ also having issues 1693248;1501776905;mod6;it worked for me 1st time... 1693249;1501776945;mircea_popescu;anyway, bitcoin crash now at 200phash or so. basically, one solitary guy and whatever gear he managed to rent. 1693250;1501777018;mircea_popescu;though i suppose that may well be a major overstatement. evaluation process too noisy to correctly catch just how fast it's dropping. 1693251;1501777106;ben_vulpes;are those anynomint/stack overflow archive links dead for anyone besides me? 1693252;1501777116;ben_vulpes;har 1693253;1501777133;mircea_popescu;lol 1693254;1501777245;mircea_popescu;trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691909 still hasn't been certified. is it a fee thing or something else ? 1693255;1501777245;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 17:09 BingoBoingo: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xFaNd/?raw=true 1693256;1501777321;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo For the month of July 2017, Qntra published 37 articles for a total of 3993 words.* < is that star like a footnote ? 1693257;1501777517;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> anyway, bitcoin crash now at 200phash or so. basically, one solitary guy and whatever gear he managed to rent. << remember when 200p was like insane amt? 1693258;1501777540;mircea_popescu;o ya. 1693259;1501777619;mod6;heheh. now, just one dude in hk trying to promote his motel or some shit. :D 1693260;1501777766;mircea_popescu;ayup 1693261;1501778260;asciilifeform;in other noose, lotta frustrated fpga aficionados live in #bolix. 1693262;1501778292;asciilifeform;incl. at least 1 fella who hit the famous ddr-sdram wall. 1693263;1501778562;mircea_popescu;heh 1693264;1501778581;mircea_popescu;btw, where did we lulz at some fake news outlet printing a pdf straight up thereby allowing the usg goons to pick up their source ? 1693265;1501778586;mircea_popescu;iirc happened recently. 1693266;1501778589;asciilifeform;yes! 1693267;1501778594;asciilifeform;'reality winner' affair 1693268;1501778606;mircea_popescu;a ty 1693269;1501779223;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in naval engines, http://68.media.tumblr.com/35808c3aa6c8e93bbadbdeecf3acaad3/tumblr_o6ar6zYZRU1v8e494o1_400.gif 1693270;1501779663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/ 1693271;1501779729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thread : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666435 . 1693272;1501779729;a111;Logged on 2017-06-06 13:47 asciilifeform: in other usg comedy, https://archive.is/HtCuo 1693273;1501779917;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-july-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2017 Statement 1693274;1501780530;trinque;mircea_popescu: the node's behind, and looks like it's not getting anything from its connections. I'll look into it. 1693275;1501780599;asciilifeform;trinque: if it relied on zoolag, it will be hungry until the new ssd crate arrives ( tomorrow at dawn ) 1693276;1501780610;asciilifeform;( plus backup reconstitution time ) 1693277;1501780623;asciilifeform;but ideally one should not rely on 1 box... 1693278;1501780648;asciilifeform;( even if it's yer personal box. asciilifeform had a bunch of stuff grind to a halt when zoolag went ) 1693279;1501780833;trinque;I may have misunderstood the wires patch behavior. 1693280;1501780850;trinque;did a wire to one node mean not trying to eat from others, or merely "highest priority to wire" 1693281;1501780856;trinque;thought it was the latter 1693282;1501780859;asciilifeform;trinque: the latter 1693283;1501780867;trinque;k, that's all I had, not "connect" 1693284;1501780869;asciilifeform;though it does clutter the debug log with barfola if the partner is dead 1693285;1501780884;trinque;at any rate, going to disable the wire for now and see what happens 1693286;1501780893;asciilifeform;( wires patch currently is just epsilon short of useless, because of the asinine default block sync algo ) 1693287;1501780906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu for instance does not operate with it 1693288;1501780961;trinque;what I see in my logs is many BANNED and many "no message in first 60 seconds" 1693289;1501780975;asciilifeform;that's heathens 1693290;1501780989;asciilifeform;( the 'banned' ) 1693291;1501780992;trinque;aha 1693292;1501780993;asciilifeform;the latter is ye olde blackhole 1693293;1501781030;asciilifeform;which i demonstrated (at least to my satisfaction) as caused by slow verification on ~own~ end, of incoming blocks 1693294;1501781043;asciilifeform;during which sockets are not serviced and wither and die. 1693295;1501781084;asciilifeform;( see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/thread.html and corresponding threads ) 1693296;1501781094;trinque;could be that I diddle the RPC hole too often for this node 1693297;1501781105;asciilifeform;that's a blocking op also, incidentally 1693298;1501781112;asciilifeform;because again the idiotic design of whole thing 1693299;1501781133;asciilifeform;but i have nfi how much it costs you, you would have to make a profiling patch similar to mine and see. 1693300;1501781165;trinque;will have a few things to chew on re: trb once this walletbot sits down. 1693301;1501781189;trinque;the thing wants at least a sendrawtxn, external txnmaker, and address tracking without holding privkey 1693302;1501781267;asciilifeform;yea 1693303;1501781306;asciilifeform;also to go with these -- option of running sans mempool 1693304;1501781430;trinque;also wants P, of course :) 1693305;1501781444;asciilifeform;not sure how that goes directly with trb 1693306;1501781466;trinque;an external adatronic otpulator makes dealing with transactional items diddled by the web safer, as I see it 1693307;1501781474;asciilifeform;aah 1693308;1501781482;asciilifeform;this yea 1693309;1501781484;trinque;otp generator can keep an audit trail, which can be run out of band when moving actual coin. 1693310;1501781499;trinque;doesn't match, sorry folks, going back to the last transaction batch 1693311;1501781539;asciilifeform;trinque: can you point me plz to the thread where it was described what your current item (walletbot) does ? 1693312;1501781545;asciilifeform;i somehow missed. 1693313;1501781564;trinque;I'm going to do a writeup when released, still putting it together. 1693314;1501781568;asciilifeform;aite. 1693315;1501781682;trinque;the otp part discussed here stands alone, though. a rather dumb piece of software can keep track of encrypted OTPs it dispatched, the corresponding command (which sits in the encrypted item), and when it got the OTP back. 1693316;1501781711;trinque;works for an accounting db, wot, w/e 1693317;1501781974;trinque;otp box can be msdos over serial port, input parsing is trivial (key parameters, hash of command; so all numeric - none causing branching) 1693318;1501782032;trinque;ah probably string of command, since folks need to see what it is they've gotten an OTP for. at any rate, still not branch-causing. 1693319;1501782105;trinque;if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better. that'd be the audit trail instead of the OTP box's disk. 1693320;1501782123;trinque;^ obviously comments welcome. 1693321;1501782164;asciilifeform;trinque: if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better << i use a thermal printer for this 1693322;1501782203;asciilifeform;it is ~perfect : 1) no way for enemy to unhappen logs short of burning the bldg 2) easy to scroll through, read 3) thermal paper burns great 1693323;1501782217;asciilifeform;printer shits out 10kB/sec easily. 1693324;1501782258;trinque;aaah right. 1693325;1501782627;asciilifeform;archive.is barfing again 1693326;1501782648;asciilifeform;and refuses to load the lul o' the day, https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ywp8k5/researcher-who-stopped-wannacry-ransomware-detained-in-us-after-def-con . 1693327;1501782683;asciilifeform;'On Wednesday, US authorities detained a researcher who goes by the handle MalwareTech, best known for stopping the spread of the WannaCry ransomware virus. ... At the time of writing it is not clear what charges, if any, Hutchins may face. Motherboard verified that a detainee called Marcus Hutchins, 23, was being held at the Henderson Detention Center in Nevada early on Thursday. A few hours after, Hutchins was moved to another faci 1693328;1501782683;asciilifeform;lity, according to a close personal friend. 1693329;1501782699;asciilifeform;... "I've spoken to the US Marshals again and they say they have no record of Marcus being in the system. At this point we've been trying to get in contact with Marcus for 18 hours and nobody knows where he's been taken," the person added. "We still don't know why Marcus has been arrested and now we have no idea where in the US he's been taken to' 1693330;1501782707;asciilifeform;'A US Marshals spokesperson told Motherboard in an email, "my colleague in Las Vegas says this was an FBI arrest. Mr. Hutchins is not in U.S. Marshals custody."' 1693331;1501782713;asciilifeform;gasenwagen. 1693332;1501783672;asciilifeform;trinque: incidentally i recently purchased a number of thermal printers from dying ratshacks, you can have one for cost of postage 1693333;1501783715;asciilifeform;iirc some still even have paper.. 1693334;1501783879;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, asciilifeform has a crackpot twist theory re why 'shitcoin cash' tire fire : it's a ploy to make impatient folx glom their addrs ( for usg's 'taint db' farms ) when splitting&selling shitforkolade 1693335;1501783897;shinohai;^ 1693336;1501783986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i know, i already put it in teh report. 1693337;1501784001;asciilifeform;waiwhich report 1693338;1501784043;mircea_popescu;qntra's. 1693339;1501784058;asciilifeform;i dun see it there ? 1693340;1501784076;asciilifeform;did the footnotes get cut off ? 1693341;1501784082;mircea_popescu;"For ready comparison, the "journalists" of the Empire of Stupid were mentally slow and bodily lazy enough to publish a pdf that betrayed their source last month." links it neh. 1693342;1501784089;asciilifeform;oh that! 1693343;1501784097;asciilifeform;i thought this was re 'ploy' item 1693344;1501784099;asciilifeform;nm 1693345;1501784106;mircea_popescu;a no. hang on im behind teh history here. 1693346;1501784111;asciilifeform;lolk 1693347;1501784163;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693293 << no, this is well credible. 1693348;1501784163;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 17:23 asciilifeform: which i demonstrated (at least to my satisfaction) as caused by slow verification on ~own~ end, of incoming blocks 1693349;1501784188;asciilifeform;i did hope to find some other major source of dogslow. but nope. 1693350;1501784200;shinohai;From the sewer: "I think bcash sounds much cooler than bitcoin. the name bitcoin feels like myspace, bcash feels like facebook." 1693351;1501784206;asciilifeform;( hence the ludicrously disproportionate effect of ssd ) 1693352;1501784225;mircea_popescu;shinohai and my dick up his ass feels like paradise. 1693353;1501784228;asciilifeform;shinohai: lol!! 1693354;1501784231;shinohai;:D 1693355;1501784295;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693319 << of course there is, get an ancient tractor epson matrix printer, buy it paper, let it go. 1693356;1501784295;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 17:41 trinque: if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better. that'd be the audit trail instead of the OTP box's disk. 1693357;1501784325;mircea_popescu;^ very much recommended for audit, this, btw. oldest system known to man, ticker tape, for telegraph and stock exchange. still unbeaten. 1693358;1501784327;asciilifeform;i dun much like those for even light seekritz, they leak via audio 1693359;1501784345;mircea_popescu;not for secrets at all ; for audit. 1693360;1501784345;asciilifeform;dun believe - try yourself. record the 'bzzzz' and out come the bits. 1693361;1501784351;asciilifeform;i like thermal. 1693362;1501784371;mircea_popescu;also fine. the whole idea is the ticker tape, not the method necessarily. 1693363;1501784380;asciilifeform;compact, too. and - unlike tractor - paper sold everywhere. 1693364;1501784381;mircea_popescu;but : a) visually inspected and b) read only. 1693365;1501784387;asciilifeform;aha. 1693366;1501784409;mircea_popescu;actually b) is stronger than "Read only". FIXED ENTHALPY TIME FLOW. 1693367;1501784421;asciilifeform;print current topblock hash also, every L lines. 1693368;1501784425;mircea_popescu;how did the poet put it, "the writing head does write, and having writ, moves on 1693369;1501784430;asciilifeform;aha!! 1693370;1501784434;mircea_popescu;nor all your nsas or wit could call it back to cancel 1693371;1501784436;mircea_popescu;but a single line of it. 1693372;1501784481;asciilifeform;printing blockhash nukes the pre-prepped-tape-substitution attack also. 1693373;1501784498;mircea_popescu;aha 1693374;1501784499;asciilifeform;don't settle for inserting road cone into the bastard's arse, insert telephone pole. 1693375;1501784573;asciilifeform;elsewhere , for all of asciilifeform's gripe re the trinitron d00d -- he immediately grasped 'why FUCKGOATS named' 1693376;1501784606;mircea_popescu;really this should be the motto of something. "The moving finger writes ; and, having writ, moves on. Nor all thy Piety nor Wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line ; nor all thy tears wash out a word of it." 1693377;1501784608;asciilifeform;and didn't say anything headdeskingly foolish, even. 1693378;1501784613;mircea_popescu;if this isn'tr bitcoin, i dunno what is. 1693379;1501784635;asciilifeform;'... nor all thy wuillety or piet...' 1693380;1501784637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason i even quoted etc is that for all the diversity, no actual stupidity came out. so... 1693381;1501784644;asciilifeform;aaha 1693382;1501784745;trinque;see what the complexity hell did to my mind? "not printers, those are a nightmare cesspool" 1693383;1501784756;asciilifeform;trinque: the ones in question are rs232 boxes 1693384;1501784763;asciilifeform;( 2 cords, mains & serial ) 1693385;1501784782;asciilifeform;they were once connected to cash register 1693386;1501784795;trinque;still are, I can confirm :p 1693387;1501785121;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693332 << I stand next to a stack of them at this moment, lol 1693388;1501785121;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 18:07 asciilifeform: trinque: incidentally i recently purchased a number of thermal printers from dying ratshacks, you can have one for cost of postage 1693389;1501785127;trinque;but ty 1693390;1501785137;asciilifeform;aite 1693391;1501785325;mircea_popescu;trinque i'll dare say it's something else. have you ever seen "a man for all seasons" ? 1693392;1501785353;trinque;I haven't. 1693393;1501785383;mircea_popescu;ok, well, if you're curious to delve into what did what to your mind, go see it sometime, and see it so that you answer me the question of "what did moore do wrong ?" 1693394;1501785396;mircea_popescu;he dies, and he dies for his sins. 1693395;1501785449;trinque;interesting, will watch it soon. 1693396;1501785452;mircea_popescu;cool. 1693397;1501785466;mircea_popescu;definitely one of the ten best anglo movies ever made, at any rate. 1693398;1501785519;*;mircea_popescu discovers alf had already http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693322 so all his ulterior comments were really just rehahs. AWW! 1693399;1501785519;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 17:43 asciilifeform: it is ~perfect : 1) no way for enemy to unhappen logs short of burning the bldg 2) easy to scroll through, read 3) thermal paper burns great 1693400;1501785526;mircea_popescu;this is my dismay. 1693401;1501785548;asciilifeform;lol 1693402;1501785575;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693329 << typical "rule of law" for soviet / banana republics. 1693403;1501785575;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 17:51 asciilifeform: ... "I've spoken to the US Marshals again and they say they have no record of Marcus being in the system. At this point we've been trying to get in contact with Marcus for 18 hours and nobody knows where he's been taken," the person added. "We still don't know why Marcus has been arrested and now we have no idea where in the US he's been taken to' 1693404;1501785581;asciilifeform;thermal tape shitter is also great for otp btw 1693405;1501785583;mircea_popescu;"oh, we don't know". riight. and putin has problems. 1693406;1501785618;trinque;funny thing was I'd already considered having the OTP box burn a CD as it went along, just shitter printing without visual inspection. 1693407;1501785619;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693331 <<< nah, arresthire. they're running out of talent pool. 1693408;1501785619;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 17:51 asciilifeform: gasenwagen. 1693409;1501785644;asciilifeform;can cat directly, to paper, /dev/fg | xxd -p > /dev/ttyblah 1693410;1501785653;asciilifeform;( how to make 2+ -- exercise for reader ) 1693411;1501785683;mircea_popescu;tee ? 1693412;1501785694;asciilifeform;dinddingwinner 1693413;1501785697;mircea_popescu;lmao 1693414;1501785728;asciilifeform;lol arresthire 1693415;1501785732;mircea_popescu;it's a thing. 1693416;1501785737;asciilifeform;is it like doctor on pirate ship ? they let'im go when new one caught ? 1693417;1501785744;mircea_popescu;sort-of. 1693418;1501785778;mircea_popescu;hey, 0.1% or so by mass, about 33% or so by output of usg.nsa/etc is zekware. and i mean this quite literally. 1693419;1501786083;mircea_popescu;"So, it appears thermal stress on the Ivory CPU isn't the problem, or that the thermal stress is too great for that small heatsink to keep up with." do they not have laser thermometers where these people live or what is the problem here ?! 1693420;1501786096;asciilifeform;he did say later 1693421;1501786098;asciilifeform;it's the PALs 1693422;1501786100;mircea_popescu;aok 1693423;1501786161;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability/ << where later ? 1693424;1501786170;asciilifeform;in his chan 1693425;1501786177;asciilifeform;oh hm i meant the other d00d 1693426;1501786179;asciilifeform;trinitron 1693427;1501786200;asciilifeform;i think 'engineer' is the 'dougnyc' d00d 1693428;1501786202;mircea_popescu;lol mkay. i mean this dood. and wtf already, put some probes on the baffling process, this is science ? 1693429;1501786224;asciilifeform;dunno why he doesn't buy the tool used in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 1693430;1501786229;asciilifeform;it costs much much less than lispm... 1693431;1501786243;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik, yes. 1693432;1501786260;asciilifeform;300bux or so 1693433;1501786262;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693195 1693434;1501786262;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 04:08 mircea_popescu: douglas fields, was it 1693435;1501786451;asciilifeform;also if i had a working ivorytron 1st thing i'd do is put diamond paste & hs from opteron on it... so yea wtf 1693436;1501786466;mircea_popescu;no idea. 1693437;1501786477;mircea_popescu;but the engineering label seems to be falling off./ 1693438;1501786505;trinque;ah now I recall what might reduce the print audit's usefulness. it means visual inspection of the encrypted items, as well as OTPs. logger box has to first see the encrypted item, second, corresponding OTP, and then this log has to be verified by someone who can (elsewhere) crack open the encrypted ones and match up the OTPs. 1693439;1501786512;asciilifeform;i have nfi what that fella smokes 1693440;1501786521;mircea_popescu;trinque it's for your own later audit. hence the tee 1693441;1501786563;trinque;tells me ordering of OTPs, but not whether one leaked out with wrong key, multiple keys, so on. 1693442;1501786598;mircea_popescu;and speaking of baffling moongineering : why the fuck do they have SQUARE vent holes on places like us navy ships, where they can actually afford to design the cover rather than buy from walmart. 1693443;1501786602;trinque;well, without transcribing or OCR'ing the log back in somewhere. 1693444;1501786621;mircea_popescu;trinque can always hash any item that is long to check for conformity in audits. 1693445;1501786623;asciilifeform;trinque: qr code 1693446;1501786627;mircea_popescu;or maybe i'm not understanding the problem ? 1693447;1501786630;asciilifeform;( or even conventional bar ) 1693448;1501786744;trinque;in order for a log of OTPs to be meaningful, in that it asserts a particular person assented to an action at a given time, gotta know the OTP corresponds to the item sent to that person. the way I've been thinking about that is encrypting the OTP with two keys, one of which I hold; the other belonging to the outside party 1693449;1501786776;mircea_popescu;could have just hashed it neh ? 1693450;1501786783;trinque;and that at some point a log of the encrypted OTPs and their return (as seen over that serial cable by 3rd box) is moved somewhere, and the encrypted OTPs decrypted and matched up with OTPs received 1693451;1501786784;mircea_popescu;if you have an irreversible hash function, it's better than encrypting. 1693452;1501786791;mircea_popescu;(ie, doesn't need decryption, can simply compare) 1693453;1501787444;trinque;writing it up real quick in longer form. 1693454;1501787468;mircea_popescu;shall read. 1693455;1501787732;mircea_popescu;and in other random lulz from the internets, https://profs.info.uaic.ro/~vcosmin/stuff/temp/psgbd/Tema_ScorDoi_Nr6/_Chiriac_Dorin_B5_6_2_Cazacu_Vlad_X1_6_2.html 1693456;1501787749;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693423 << i believe man's solution was to buy another $7k xl12xx. otherwise the website is distinguished by macro photos of symbolics boards and retellings in own words of Document Examiner material (which is also available in printed form, in before asciilifeform's "i have the whole printed set") 1693457;1501787749;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 18:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability/ << where later ? 1693458;1501787830;mircea_popescu;the macro photos i like. 1693459;1501787853;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would he hassle dsk for an original fucking fan though. really, copper is expensive now ? 1693460;1501787892;phf;not even fan, heatsink, and i also have no idea 1693461;1501787925;phf;relatedly i couldn't figure out how to attach the fan to the board without drilling into it. there's like two possible mount points, but requires machining a custom brace 1693462;1501787932;asciilifeform;only theory i can think of is he did not want to 'spoil' his 'rembrandt' with 'non-period' grease and hs 1693463;1501787939;asciilifeform;phf: thermoepoxy !! 1693464;1501787957;asciilifeform;the kind with diamonds 1693465;1501787961;mircea_popescu;^ 1693466;1501787963;asciilifeform;worx great 1693467;1501787967;asciilifeform;i use it everywhere. 1693468;1501787978;mircea_popescu;the heatsink/fan assemblage is not heavy enough for the paste to not hold it. esp if upright. 1693469;1501787993;phf;that's how the heatsink is attached to the surface, but i wasn't sure if it can handle the fan vibration 1693470;1501788001;asciilifeform;epoxy will hold it and if you pull it with four hourses it'll be the pcb socket that comes off, not the hs 1693471;1501788007;mircea_popescu;if it can'y you really should have a fan made industrially 1693472;1501788011;phf;i mean, i figured it's ~not~ the question of weight, obviously 1693473;1501788014;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "out of gerbils" 1693474;1501788027;phf;hmm interesting, ok 1693475;1501788032;asciilifeform;and i dun care re vibration. 1693476;1501788050;mircea_popescu;yet another case of "in discussing idiocy of idiots, sane people find out interesting truffs." 1693477;1501788050;asciilifeform;( the solder on the board, may eventually care. but not the epoxy. ) 1693478;1501788065;asciilifeform;btw all bolix iron used good old leaded solder 1693479;1501788069;asciilifeform;trivial to rework 1693480;1501788071;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol, alternative desolder to "wick lead in" , vibrate it for 6 months ? :D 1693481;1501788078;asciilifeform;see, none of that. 1693482;1501788081;mircea_popescu;aha. 1693483;1501788118;mircea_popescu;"our novel eutectic alloy melts at just about 500 degrees. just as good as proper solder, and also better for the environment!!!" 1693484;1501788140;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1693008 see also. ) 1693485;1501788140;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 22:21 asciilifeform: ' RoHS = Restrictions on Hand Soldering ' ( good one. and true : as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 , shit dun melt worth shit with any available iron ) 1693486;1501788234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the other side of that chasm, of course, is that it's how euros forbade the phtalates (plastic softeners) and polybrominated crapola (flame retardants). 1693487;1501788243;mircea_popescu;makes eu houses significantly more habitable than us equiv. 1693488;1501788259;asciilifeform;i remain skeptical that they did not substitute in something equally objectionable. 1693489;1501788281;mircea_popescu;well, in practice the whole "flame retardant" thing never really took off. but this is not because of the rohs stuff. 1693490;1501788287;phf;it is well known that things are as bad elsewhere as they are in smawpland, dc 1693491;1501788356;asciilifeform;lol 'inversecargocult' 1693492;1501788397;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc 'flame retardant sofa' is a production of u.s. tort idiocy 1693493;1501788400;mircea_popescu;aha. 1693494;1501788412;mircea_popescu;and kid pijamas and dildos and so on. 1693495;1501788435;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the fertilew swamp on which that was produced were "better building materials", ie, "let's make a house out of drywall and insulation". 1693496;1501788502;asciilifeform;dun forget aluminum foil. 1693497;1501788516;mircea_popescu;that's actually fine. dun help dun hinder. 1693498;1501788523;asciilifeform;the planks come off. 1693499;1501788529;asciilifeform;and insides bust out. 1693500;1501788531;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1693501;1501788533;asciilifeform;( vermin -- in ) 1693502;1501788536;asciilifeform;the al. siding . 1693503;1501788547;asciilifeform;it comes in these long strips. 1693504;1501788551;mircea_popescu;oh. 1693505;1501788576;mircea_popescu;you saw that "tinmen" film btw ? re the early al siding industry ? that enchanted period in the 50s that even gave memes like "wtf are you, an al siding salesman ?" 1693506;1501788591;asciilifeform;nope. but it is on the list 1693507;1501788596;asciilifeform;iirc came up in an old trilema. 1693508;1501788614;mircea_popescu;yeah, notbad film. anyway. al siding was always a scam, but that's not what i thought you meant by foil. 1693509;1501788722;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the circus , https://archive.is/tAOy3 1693510;1501788729;asciilifeform;^ re 'arresthire' d00d 1693511;1501788817;mircea_popescu;tbh i very much like the danielpbarron write-up style of "this is how to do x ; if you're lazy i'll do it for you costs this much". 1693512;1501788971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the idea is dood made/sold kronos w/e that was. 1693513;1501789017;mircea_popescu;$3000 ie ~1btc worth of software. 1693514;1501789022;mircea_popescu;this isn't evne grand theft is it. 1693515;1501789031;asciilifeform;he isn't being accused of theft 1693516;1501789039;asciilifeform;but of 'manufacture of hacking device' etc 1693517;1501789053;mircea_popescu;so ? 2k worth of it 1693518;1501789068;asciilifeform;that statute doesn't have damage quota 1693519;1501789074;asciilifeform;or requires crown to show any at all 1693520;1501789093;mircea_popescu;let me put it another way : if "the united states" is sorely hurt by a coupla grand wortha software, all those tomahawks'd better win some wars. 1693521;1501789127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i care what usg thinks its laws are about as much as i think what fat girl thinks her reasons for eating are. 1693522;1501789130;asciilifeform;they still have sore starfish from 'wannacry' using nsa's beloved 'unpatchable' hole, and pressure building for patch of same 1693523;1501789148;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if we're discussing zimbabwestan i am stuck describing its witchcraft statute. 1693524;1501789149;mircea_popescu;i thought the guy fixed wannacry. did he make wannacry ? 1693525;1501789166;asciilifeform;fixed in this case was 'took for self' 1693526;1501789169;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but in our terms ; not in zimbabwestan terms. zimbabwestan may not have terms. 1693527;1501789180;mircea_popescu;lulzy. 1693528;1501789818;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ZxDYL << moar re subj 1693529;1501789856;asciilifeform;'Hutchins’ employer, cybersecurity firm Kryptos Logic, had been working closely with the US authorities to help them investigate the WannaCry malware. Hutchins handed over information on the kill switch to the FBI the day after he discovered it, and the chief executive of the firm, Salim Neino, testified in from of the US House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space & Technology the following month.' << golden idjits 1693530;1501789884;asciilifeform;see also last para 1693531;1501789909;asciilifeform;apparently d00d broke quickly in the cokemachine. 1693532;1501791335;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-478824.txt 1693533;1501791417;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/P0ZMH/?raw=true << meanwhile. 1693534;1501791518;trinque;not that I've looked into wtf "bitcoin crash" transactions look like, distinct from trb transactions, but that'd perhaps explain it. 1693535;1501791549;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd think their blocks would be rejected in the intake hopper, for being 2MB ? 1693536;1501791555;asciilifeform;or not ? 1693537;1501791564;trinque;thought shinohai or someone'd said they'd yet failed to mine a block larger than 1mb 1693538;1501791756;shinohai;trinque: I did, twas first few hours after their "fork" ... afaik still no actual > 1 mb block mined. 1693539;1501791773;asciilifeform;lol! 1693540;1501791788;shinohai;I'd be surprised if anyone does, considering diff retarget will take a few months to make it have 10 min blox 1693541;1501791819;shinohai;Enjoy your starblox fuckers 1693542;1501791891;mod6;HEH 1693543;1501794276;mircea_popescu;lol. 1693544;1501794302;mircea_popescu;trinque in principle it shouldn't have anything to do with your node, all that jazz. 1693545;1501794375;mircea_popescu;anyway, as best i can see for the past coupla hours bcc hash is actually 0. 1693546;1501794462;trinque;nah caught up meanwhile all that noise. 1693547;1501794465;trinque;just found it amusing 1693548;1501794594;shinohai;99% of all reporting nodes seem to still be the Amazon sybils from before. 1693549;1501794627;shinohai;(Until Roger/ViaBTC budget runs out I guess) 1693550;1501796719;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-478896.txt 1693551;1501801123;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform recently and for the THIRD time tried to get http://www.clifford.at/icestorm going . has the iron ready, etc. BUT the only prog utils are in a) python3 b ) haskell 1693552;1501801131;asciilifeform;and the compiler requires clang 1693553;1501801202;asciilifeform;'Никита Сергеевич молчит пару минут, затем громко, с ненавистью говорит: "Говно!" Подумав, добавляет: "Пидарасы!"' (tm)(r) 1693554;1501801356;asciilifeform;to add insult to injury, even BROWSING shithub ( where all of the 'open' ice40 projects live ) no longer works on any of my graphical wwwtrons 1693555;1501801365;asciilifeform;( kept around specifically for such work ! ) 1693556;1501801386;asciilifeform;'your browser is no longer supported', buttons do nothing, etc. 1693557;1501802247;*;asciilifeform finally found 'iceprog', a c proggy, that r/w built turds to the chip. but so far is all. 1693558;1501804485;asciilifeform;https://github.com/cliffordwolf/yosys/issues/332 << motherFUCKERS 1693559;1501804502;asciilifeform;'This syntax was added to bison on bison 2.6+ so either install later bison / just delete those lines locally' 'What @OrDavidi said. Those two statements only improve the quality of parser error messaged. You can safely remove them.' 1693560;1501805230;mod6;<+asciilifeform> 'your browser is no longer supported', buttons do nothing, etc. << shit is evil. 1693561;1501805258;mod6;cocksuckers, if i can't use it with lynx, do not want to use it. 1693562;1501805271;asciilifeform;in other lulz, chorus of current and former microshit monkeys in #bolix defends winblows. 1693563;1501805281;mod6;o.O 1693564;1501805286;asciilifeform;aha. 1693565;1501805302;*;asciilifeform losing interest in subj very rapidly 1693566;1501805309;mod6;"it's not its fault it's retarded" line of thinking ? 1693567;1501805312;asciilifeform;nono 1693568;1501805335;shinohai;"From this date, you must hereby allow your webrowser of choice spew irrelevant ads and any other form of js eyesore that is dictated by the creators of this site." 1693569;1501805356;mod6;perhaps just m$ disease has permeated the brain barrier huh 1693570;1501805449;mod6;shinohai: indeed. 1693571;1501806772;asciilifeform;mod6, shinohai , etc, rest of l1, if anybody gives a damn, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eKmmX/?raw=true . 1693572;1501806789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, phf , trinque , all. 1693573;1501806927;*;mod6 looks 1693574;1501806935;asciilifeform;entomological interest strictly. 1693575;1501807161;shinohai;It appears to naked eye to be script-kiddie paradise 1693576;1501809594;mod6;asciilifeform: werd, thx for forwarding 1693577;1501810066;mod6;heh shinohai, straight outta dalnet 1693578;1501810228;mod6;lol, good stuff (tm) 1693579;1501810394;*;shinohai enjoys ascii art in moderation, when it is worthy to be attached to something 1693580;1501810427;shinohai;I went in that chan and spammed tit art, befitting my station 1693581;1501810509;mod6;ah, did they enjoy? 1693582;1501810581;shinohai;I didn't get kb so I take it they at least tolerated. 1693583;1501810591;mod6;wd 1693584;1501810597;shinohai;lel 1693585;1501810754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/60F800131278C492197B3CD4D2CBB649F9FB1546F30CAFFEF1748EC2BC779747 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '154.119.53.196 (ssh-rsa key from 154.119.53.196 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZA) 1693586;1501810754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5B7435DED25831DC3124683E4E026958F97627DEF877176C739F0713DA58A8F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '31.28.254.19 (ssh-rsa key from 31.28.254.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host-19-254-28-31.sevstar.net. UA 40) 1693587;1501810754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE) 1693588;1501810754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAE0707E17D6FC42F61F64831A1D0579383302AD965D59BC4A2C82CD7020B595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.191.238.241 (ssh-rsa key from 41.191.238.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZW) 1693589;1501810754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/60F800131278C492197B3CD4D2CBB649F9FB1546F30CAFFEF1748EC2BC779747 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1398...7003 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '154.119.53.196 (ssh-rsa key from 154.119.53.196 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZA) 1693590;1501810845;mod6;nice new trilema pic 1693591;1501810974;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693554 << heh. dumbass github. 1693592;1501810974;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 23:02 asciilifeform: to add insult to injury, even BROWSING shithub ( where all of the 'open' ice40 projects live ) no longer works on any of my graphical wwwtrons 1693593;1501811137;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693562 << which explains why they're even there. 1693594;1501811137;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 00:07 asciilifeform: in other lulz, chorus of current and former microshit monkeys in #bolix defends winblows. 1693595;1501811182;trinque;asciilifeform: aw, lol. they're going to call the HR department on you now. 1693596;1501811465;mircea_popescu;https://news.bitcoin.com/despite-naysayers-the-bitcoin-cash-blockchain-chugs-forward/ << topish keks 1693597;1501811696;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back on planet earth : the bitcoin crash difficulty implies a per-scamtoken cost of about 1/4 btc, and the price is about 1/10btc. the remainder comes straight out of the would-be miner's pocket. now tell me again all that jazz about how "miners decide" and whatnot bullshit idiots were spewing theoretically in theory. 1693598;1501811987;mircea_popescu;in further lulz : the scamchain is ~300 blocks behind bitcoin. here's a summary : 478610 1 hour ago 443.02Kb ; 478609 1 hour ago 141.72Kb ; 478608 2 hours ago 291.50Kb ; 478607 2 hours ago 584.60Kb ; 478606 3 hours ago 174.71Kb ; 478605 554.37Kb ; 478604 3 hours ago 771.29Kb ; 478603 4 hours ago 355.16Kb ; 478602 4 hours ago 158.57Kb ; 478601 4 hours ago 424.27Kb 1693599;1501812172;mircea_popescu;~340 kb average (over 10 blocks). considering this 10 represents 1/5 or so of the bitcoin chain, so basically they're about 15 times LESS transaction intensive than bitcoin. 1693600;1501812173;mircea_popescu;in other words, bitcoin cash is exactly equal to a proposition of reducing bitcoin blocks from 1mb to 60kb. 1693601;1501812191;mircea_popescu;on the basis of "what the people need", as demonstrated by the people themselves, bitcoin blocks of 64kb would be perfectly sufficient./ 1693602;1501812990;asciilifeform;trinque: lol! let's also call obummer 1693603;1501813075;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform built 'icestorm', 'arachne-pnr', with plain gcc 4.9 ( the only concession to idiocy on the test machine was python3 ) . and even MOST of 'yosys' ( the last step in the ice40 open sores fpga toolchain ) built. in fact, whole thing built, but linker barfs 1693604;1501813091;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T1RD0/?raw=true 1693605;1501813165;asciilifeform;tcl , as i understand, caught the plague many years ago. this must be the 7th or 8th popular proggy that none of asciilifeform's boxes will build, purely on account of tcl rot. 1693606;1501813207;asciilifeform;'yosys' is that chain's verilog synth; the whole shebang is quite dead in the water without it. 1693607;1501813366;asciilifeform;or perhaps not : could simply lay out the thing by hand... 1693608;1501813381;asciilifeform;just fill. up. each. lut. by. hand... 1693609;1501813404;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1693610;1501813418;asciilifeform;probably doomed to do this in the end regardless. 1693611;1501813425;mircea_popescu;well, to quote that dood, "at least it's cheaper than at any point in history ; and faster than at any point of history" 1693612;1501813431;mircea_popescu;amusingly, same could be said of faxed car. 1693613;1501813491;asciilifeform;wassat 1693614;1501813563;mircea_popescu;"doesn't work, but cheap!" 1693615;1501813579;asciilifeform;spreading -- worx!! 1693616;1501813730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you mean tcl, america's fastest-growing tv brand ? 1693617;1501813744;asciilifeform;ousterhout's thing 1693618;1501813773;mircea_popescu;reseau de transports en commun lyonnais ? 1693619;1501813792;asciilifeform;all of them!11 1693620;1501813799;mircea_popescu;"TCL's flat screens and curved screens are the perfect combination of elegance and high-tech performance (HD/4K televisions, Android televisions)." 1693621;1501813871;mircea_popescu;o nm i found it. 1693622;1501813886;mircea_popescu;https://www.tcl.edu/

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1693623;1501813931;mircea_popescu;items which go to unspecified locations are eminently the tools of the engineer. it's the doctor of divinity that should expect very strictly confined results. engineering is more of an airy, take-things-as-they-come line of work. 1693624;1501813959;mircea_popescu;"who knows where this car will take us, johnny!" "not me. i'm driving it." 1693625;1501814386;asciilifeform;african engineering. 1693626;1501814538;mircea_popescu;!~ssh 129.232.221.173 1693627;1501814538;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "ssh" is not a valid command. 1693628;1501814546;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 129.232.221.173 1693629;1501814551;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-life-and-times-of-fna/ << Trilema - The life and times of Fna 1693630;1501814601;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 119.81.230.146 1693631;1501814623;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 119.81.230.146 1693632;1501814645;mircea_popescu;really, consumer items all of them ? 1693633;1501814669;asciilifeform;or winturd 1693634;1501814704;mircea_popescu;at first seemed like has immense pool of ips, but in fact only a half dozen or so. 1693635;1501814783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one of these traces to hetzner, comsumer in gauteng, johannesburg, sa ; the other is softlayer 1693636;1501814814;asciilifeform;likewise even in spamindergarten they teach to pipe liquishit from 1 ip, host own front door on other. 1693637;1501814865;mircea_popescu;oddly enough it doesn't seem to actually try to spam or anything. and too little name variation for a lost soul looking for its cc. 1693638;1501814869;asciilifeform;hey Framedragger , think we can !$ssh by range? 1693639;1501814886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bugger lurks in a dozen+ chans 1693640;1501814911;asciilifeform;( and that's merely the ones publicly logged ) 1693641;1501814920;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does the same join/part in eulora for instance, says nothing and that's unmoded. 1693642;1501814931;asciilifeform;it doesn't talk, no. 1693643;1501814940;asciilifeform;just listens. 1693644;1501814941;mircea_popescu;nor stay logged long. 1693645;1501814949;mircea_popescu;possibly trying to get nick list i guess. 1693646;1501814962;asciilifeform;aha. 1693647;1501815005;asciilifeform;draws, i suppose, on the output end, fancy wall chart of terrorist connectionz in the ministry of lulz break room. 1693648;1501815060;mircea_popescu;also, funny item re hetzner : back in 2014, there was a large demonstration in novosibirsk in favour of you know, russia losing siberia. the russian govt pressured everyone to not discuss the matter, including bbc. the ukrainians at the time didn't feel inclined to comply, so hetzner took glavcom.ua and others offline, because hey, unlicensed republic. 1693649;1501815071;asciilifeform;' this man hangs in #trilema , #perl , #crustaceans, we must arrest immediately before the irreparable happens ' 1693650;1501815103;asciilifeform;where do i attend the demonstration in favour of usa losing alaska ? 1693651;1501815121;mircea_popescu;iirc we were trying to. 1693652;1501815126;asciilifeform;lolk 1693653;1501815141;mircea_popescu;lemme fish out teh log link 1693654;1501815269;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ? 1693655;1501815277;asciilifeform;oregon aha 1693656;1501815280;mircea_popescu;can't seem to find it, but im pretty sure it was a thing. 1693657;1501815284;mircea_popescu;aha, so. ~same idea. 1693658;1501815284;asciilifeform;it was 1693659;1501815312;asciilifeform;i must've missed. 1693660;1501815316;mircea_popescu;once usg.whatever loses ability to enforce its diktats in oregon wilderness, alaska is ~independent. 1693661;1501815348;asciilifeform;wilderness is 1 thing, gazpromistan is other 1693662;1501815375;mircea_popescu;ah, independence doesn't discuss that. what, iraq's been "independent" forever, still gazpromistan. 1693663;1501815422;asciilifeform;phun phakt, not long ago asciilifeform toured 'iraq embassy' ( there's an 'embassy expo' each yr in dc ). it was quite clear that the place isn't actually used in the daily sense 1693664;1501815451;asciilifeform;hastily piled ???s, and amidst them various office crud (printers, etc) suggestive of dust gathered since clinton era. 1693665;1501815488;asciilifeform;very spiffy architecture, stately oak furniture, mosaics. but -- no sign of habitation. 1693666;1501815489;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-15#561248 << in other old timer lulz. 1693667;1501815489;a111;Logged on 2014-03-15 15:10 mircea_popescu: "For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective 1693668;1501815516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iraq embassy in kabul got raped tho. 1693669;1501815536;mircea_popescu;apparently they lost 3-4 dozen people to gunfire (from 3 militants) and can't hire replacements. 1693670;1501815572;mircea_popescu;not to mention item being accross from like a school and catty corner from where the rich afghani aspie class whores went to get their nails and perms done, the afghani aspie class is pretty scared. 1693671;1501815645;BingoBoingo; tbh i very much like the danielpbarron write-up style of "this is how to do x ; if you're lazy i'll do it for you costs this much". << Second 1693672;1501815647;mircea_popescu;which is understandable, swedish woman living in a country where the last erection hapepned cca 1962 has a very cerebral, anxiotic fear of rape. whereas younger daughter of rape tribe that was bought by us desk flier's illegitimate local son to be "civilised" housewife has a very lived-experience fear of same item. 1693673;1501815709;mircea_popescu;"any day now, is declares kabul califate and we'll go play the fecundity goddess priestesses, chained to a granite pillar downtown". 1693674;1501816238;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-2#175311 << /me very intrigued 1693675;1501816238;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-02 22:45 mircea_popescu: hey, actual lisp machine 1693676;1501816283;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron re " I'm not looking forward to learning how to get data out of a mysql database located on the hard drive of a system that doesn't boot anymore." : generally you can find mysql's data files in /var/lib/mysql/[database_name]. there's going to be in that dir a .myi and a .myd for each table in your db. if you simply create the old db in the new place and copy them over it'll prolly work. if not, you'll have to co 1693677;1501816283;mircea_popescu;nvert them to sql format (iirc mysqldump works for this) 1693678;1501816351;mircea_popescu;if they're not there, any historical trace of a ps -eo cmd,args | grep "mysql" (or the same command run on a similar system) will provide a -datadir= string. 1693679;1501816447;mircea_popescu;common variations include /var/db/mysql, /usr/local/mysql/data and so on. just grepping your fs for say .MYI will likely yield, at that. 1693680;1501816626;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1693681;1501816628;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeh hopefully dood makes his way here this weekend and we can sort all this out. 1693682;1501816647;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2784.0, vol: 8012.75235339 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2786.4, vol: 17057.22771993 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2818.675511, vol: 12656.68410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2792.054, vol: 5764.81155315 | Volume-weighted last average: 2796.09993726 1693683;1501816660;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1693684;1501816661;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 478938 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 869 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 15 hours, 53 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1693685;1501816702;ben_vulpes;in other holyshit do i live in drmistan: "call every single person i know to see if i can borrow one (locking lug nut removal tool), and the universal response is 'lol it's not legal for us to sell you one, much less lend them out'" 1693686;1501816811;BingoBoingo;Oh, noes, the tools police might find out /s 1693687;1501816842;ben_vulpes;i'll lose my ase accreditation 1693688;1501816859;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wassat? 1693689;1501816862;ben_vulpes;gotta adhere to these unexamined moral systems 1693690;1501816874;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: holds tires to certain kinds of rims afaict 1693691;1501816891;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: might know more 1693692;1501816911;ben_vulpes;all i know is that hardware drm has arrived at the fucking wheels 1693693;1501816957;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Drm's about the "lock" 1693694;1501816987;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: is this the old gimmick where 1 nut is misshapen , and comes with magical wrench ? 1693695;1501817005;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1693696;1501817020;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2789.77, vol: 7959.95187006 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2786.8, vol: 16970.99817164 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2820.7616, vol: 12654.14590000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2791.699, vol: 5778.99124389 | Volume-weighted last average: 2797.90844037 1693697;1501817033;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA! 1693698;1501817097;asciilifeform;i think i have one of these ... 1693699;1501817122;ben_vulpes;poor guy's nuts were inset into the rim 1693700;1501817144;BingoBoingo;Angle grinder 1693701;1501817588;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, how is it not legal to buy a fucking tool ?! 1693702;1501817679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how misshapen can it be ? french wrench or the insider tension thing will get it whatever it is wut. 1693703;1501817709;asciilifeform;convex curvy slippery thing 1693704;1501817758;*;mircea_popescu realises bmw actually came with special wheel wrench in the trunk. 1693705;1501817772;asciilifeform;prolly same thing as mine 1693706;1501817790;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1693707;1501817791;asciilifeform;and dollars to doughnuts buyable for a buck 1693708;1501817799;asciilifeform;on shitbay etc 1693709;1501817816;mircea_popescu;not here, see. item was import, made for sale in eu. consequently cr folk don't have thge keys, resulting in a very panicked mecanic. 1693710;1501817821;mircea_popescu;"dude it's in the trunk" "oh!" 1693711;1501817847;asciilifeform;i have nfi why even have this caltrop, who the fuck steals wheels, outside of shitafrica 1693712;1501817853;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, nobody wanted to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690125 ?! i am amazed! 1693713;1501817853;a111;Logged on 2017-07-26 23:54 mircea_popescu: oh oh, and guess the name of my car mechanic ? 1693714;1501817863;asciilifeform;mercedes? 1693715;1501817870;mircea_popescu;ha! no. 1693716;1501817876;asciilifeform;carmen. 1693717;1501817883;mircea_popescu;BISMARCK. bismarck rojas. 1693718;1501817889;asciilifeform;lol!! 1693719;1501817893;mircea_popescu;i fell over. 1693720;1501817932;asciilifeform;give'im a pickelhaub for his bday 1693721;1501817937;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1693722;1501817944;mircea_popescu;preferably a dented one. 1693723;1501817946;BingoBoingo;lol 1693724;1501817965;BingoBoingo;Dented with bmw wheel wrench, so he has the impression to clone 1693725;1501817982;mircea_popescu;or anglo round, either way. 1693726;1501818035;asciilifeform;fwiw i bought tires not long ago, and they had to ask for the magic adapter. apparently not kept in shop as a routine item. 1693727;1501818046;mircea_popescu;so perhaps not a buck. 1693728;1501818051;asciilifeform;( or pretend to not keep ) 1693729;1501818146;mircea_popescu;anyway, i have nfi what all this is about. pick up hand cutter, make a straight cut in the item, remove with plain screwdriver. 1693730;1501818385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: point, same as lock in doors, is to take longer and moar sweat. 1693731;1501818401;asciilifeform;in whatever shitafrica people steal wheels in. 1693732;1501818401;mircea_popescu;discourage orcs. i see it. 1693733;1501818561;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-15#560677 <<< remember back when 3d printing was THE tech ? 1693734;1501818561;a111;Logged on 2014-03-15 00:01 cads: hmm, I need a near effect sensor that can give me a reading of 3d printing surface quality. 1693735;1501818865;asciilifeform;what would have been wrong with phonograph head ? 1693736;1501818874;asciilifeform;for d00d's application 1693737;1501818886;asciilifeform;instant solve. 1693738;1501818997;mircea_popescu;contact, i expect 1693739;1501819012;mircea_popescu;anyway, polarised light correct solution i imagine. 1693740;1501819212;mircea_popescu;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10695204/Paranoia-leads-Vladimir-Putin-to-the-point-of-no-return.html << o dude, there's no news like old news. 1693741;1501819507;mircea_popescu;!!up gribble 1693742;1501819507;deedbot;gribble voiced for 30 minutes. 1693743;1501819507;gribble;Error: "!up" is not a valid command. 1693744;1501819509;mircea_popescu;;;estimate 1693745;1501819510;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 8.59041868837e+11 based on data for last three days 1693746;1501819597;mircea_popescu;ah, here's an example of non-reanimating remora asciilifeform : craig woods. 1693747;1501819624;mircea_popescu;batshit insane and rather dumb "female" dood, was going to do something or other by some date or other back in 2014. 1693748;1501819764;BingoBoingo;YET!!! 1693749;1501819775;mircea_popescu;heh. 1693750;1501819809;mircea_popescu;and in other things you've missed out on, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-15#561144 1693751;1501819809;a111;Logged on 2014-03-15 13:17 mircea_popescu: "A Rational Discussion Medium Focusing on Cryptocurrency, Cryptography and Privacy Claim your bitcointalk.org username on Cryptanalys.is to redeem your free karma today!" 1693752;1501820418;mircea_popescu;aaaand, in three year old re-runs, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7bfcdda0062963b9fd89c2f05d95dea9/tumblr_mtmbhf6lwn1rztzruo1_1280.jpg 1693753;1501820503;BingoBoingo;Awe, adorbs! 1693754;1501820518;mircea_popescu;lol 1693755;1501820543;BingoBoingo;In other scuttlebutt, now Bezos' Amazon WAPO is implying a military coup against Trump may be impending 1693756;1501820762;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1693757;1501820792;mircea_popescu;mp-ball says, nuclear strike levelling washington, dc about three degrees of magnitude more likely than "military coup". 1693758;1501820824;mircea_popescu;even alf got the fuck out of there, which was the last serious impediment. #nukedc 1693759;1501820846;mircea_popescu;and in other "abstraction meets reality" lulz, http://lekki.adsafrica.com.ng/category/145/ "women seeking women in nigeria". 1693760;1501820912;BingoBoingo;Anyways, here's the loller https://archive.is/oZIdE 1693761;1501821176;mircea_popescu;the one salient point, which apparently makes it even into the officialist crapolade, is that, to quote them, "the situation in afghanistan continues to deteriorate". in fact, afghanistan is about to fall. 1693762;1501821233;mircea_popescu;the "government", as usgtards importantly call the aspie enablers, has gone about as long as it'll go. they nominally control a majority of the territory, but this looks well set for an inflection. 1693763;1501821266;BingoBoingo;But where will the junkies get their Heroin? 1693764;1501821282;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1693765;1501821322;*;BingoBoingo supposes CIA could start growing poppies in Canada 1693766;1501821339;BingoBoingo;Or scale up poppy farming in ukr 1693767;1501821373;mircea_popescu;the problem with heroin is that it's a very stupid drug. as such, it goes in cycles, about 20 years long or so (ie, as long as it takes for a new generation of lemmings to entirely forget). it's on a downcycle right now. 1693768;1501821432;BingoBoingo;Well, in US appears to be peaking. 1693769;1501821452;mircea_popescu;i'd guess already peaked, but anyway. 1693770;1501821481;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell till the accumulation of cold bodies start slowing down. 1693771;1501821509;mircea_popescu;easy to tell, gotta look at "new acquisition" numbers for active pimp ops with a heroin side. 1693772;1501821520;mircea_popescu;once they stop getting hotties, the drop is months away. 1693773;1501821652;BingoBoingo;Ah 1693774;1501821902;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/pantsuit-west-virginia-governor-defects-to-join-trump/ << Qntra - Pantsuit West Virginia Governor Defects To Join Trump 1693775;1501821984;BingoBoingo;^ Gubanatorial score is 34 GOP, 15 Pantsuit, one Weird 1693776;1501822780;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693758 << i've never lived in the city walls proper; or outside of thermonuke fire zone either 1693777;1501822780;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 04:27 mircea_popescu: even alf got the fuck out of there, which was the last serious impediment. #nukedc 1693778;1501822838;asciilifeform;would very happily call in the strike on own coordinates tho, if could. 1693779;1501823135;asciilifeform;dc is usg's arse, however, not head. a conscientious exterminator ougta ablate boston and sanfran 1st. 1693780;1501823226;asciilifeform;zurich, london, berlin, as basic secondaries. 1693781;1501823294;BingoBoingo;Gotta wipe New Amserdam too, And Chiraq, lest Chiraqui flavor of pantsuit fill void. 1693782;1501823322;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the latter is quite depopulated as is 1693783;1501823408;asciilifeform;i go there on bizbis sometimes. into a mostly empty soot-coloured skyscraper. 1693784;1501823434;asciilifeform;where half the lifts dunwork. 1693785;1501823472;asciilifeform;you can hear pipes laid in edison's life, groaning. 1693786;1501823472;BingoBoingo;2.7 million in Chiraq proper, and 10 million in metro area. Skyscrapers empty, but ghettos full. Chicago has a full "star" mass transit topology, shrinks precieved size of city. 1693787;1501823493;asciilifeform;2.7m of what. 1693788;1501823503;asciilifeform;do you know even 1 name ? 1693789;1501823504;BingoBoingo;"residents" 1693790;1501823509;asciilifeform;lol 1693791;1501823569;asciilifeform;i saw transgenderfucked beggars, expelled from 'art school', on the pavement. 1693792;1501823648;asciilifeform;i suppose from humane pov they oughta be put out of their misery, but rockets cost money and i can't picture anyone will ever spare one for them. 1693793;1501823654;mircea_popescu;ruthie's own mr snyder prolly spins in his grave. 1693794;1501823675;asciilifeform;whossat? 1693795;1501823710;mircea_popescu;one of the better stories of 30s hollywood (they did very few original scripts then as now) was the story of ruth etting and moe the gimp snyder. 1693796;1501823733;mircea_popescu;dime-a-dance girl turned major star, etc. it's the substance of both love me or leave me and "the roaring twenties" 1693797;1501823762;BingoBoingo; i saw transgenderfucked beggars, expelled from 'art school', on the pavement. << And when they die during the winter they will still vote Pantsuit. It's what Chicago does. Along with it's downstate mestatasis Belleville and East Saint Louis. 1693798;1501823803;BingoBoingo;Same Belleville of http://qntra.net/2017/06/leftist-terrorist-from-belleville-attacks-gop-baseball-team/ fame 1693799;1501823811;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and when pharaon ramses rules from anchorage, they will 'vote' ramses. beggars ain't agents. 1693800;1501823850;BingoBoingo;But they trick the Hussein Bahamas fellow into thinking he is an agent 1693801;1501823960;BingoBoingo;Feed the beggars and they'll tell you to update they testament again 1693802;1501824112;mircea_popescu;should be interesting what the third, further optimized version will be like. 1693803;1501824223;BingoBoingo;Give Fna a sheet of paper. Let the adorable one encode it as only he can, at his leisure. 1693804;1501824253;mircea_popescu;and also make a little cart so it can carry beans around from cupboard to counter ? and what else. 1693805;1501824331;BingoBoingo;Prolly keep the bigger spiders away, Fna's prolly on some of their menus. 1693806;1501824507;BingoBoingo;Anyways, at this point each of Fna's footsteps carry more meaning than anything spewing outta pantsuited chicago. 1693807;1501824528;mircea_popescu;not to mention can walk on ceiling. 1693808;1501824546;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1693809;1501824742;asciilifeform;gekko << 'Скажите, заросли конопли, / ответь, пятнистый геккон, / За что двадцатая часть земли / Должна вдыхать эту вонь?' (tm)(r)(pelevin) 1693810;1501824761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the idea is that this was some chicago hardass who "viewed the world as a battleground". very different chicago in 1927. 1693811;1501824780;asciilifeform;ohyea the one with 'chicago typewriter'. 1693812;1501824804;mircea_popescu;no, the one with the "and i'll fix your ticket too" @ his daughter. 1693813;1501825467;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at teh rave, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e83d168e2f19f98fd87b957319565999/tumblr_o8pyprPoty1sx6xa0o1_1280.jpg 1693814;1501826553;ben_vulpes;trumpenguard now operating out of a double-wide: http://archive.is/1efqN 1693815;1501826656;ben_vulpes;nah, hasta be a single-wide 1693816;1501826901;ben_vulpes;eldritch reactor rod automation and complexity-layering: https://keybase.io/docs/kbfs 1693817;1501826944;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73F5B65045D18FE5164134652EAC7E16FF08864E46B284D382356BBFBF2E22F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1533...1907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.168.223.22 (ssh-rsa key from 68.168.223.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (clearwall.com. US NY) 1693818;1501826996;ben_vulpes;egregiously papers over the notion that signing should be a special, considered act. 1693819;1501827281;ben_vulpes;very fancy, 'user phriendly', pki 1693820;1501827472;ben_vulpes;missed this gem: https://keybase.io/docs/server_security/merkle_root_in_bitcoin_blockchain 1693821;1501827481;ben_vulpes;WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE PHORKS, KEYBASE? 1693822;1501827520;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73F5B65045D18FE5164134652EAC7E16FF08864E46B284D382356BBFBF2E22F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...1023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.168.223.22 (ssh-rsa key from 68.168.223.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (clearwall.com. US NY) 1693823;1501827520;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE834FA2CAE6CBD32C94443C83E0878704F2638596E9AF7F6F11084E6E136D6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1466...2859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.200.230 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.200.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown VE A) 1693824;1501827520;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE834FA2CAE6CBD32C94443C83E0878704F2638596E9AF7F6F11084E6E136D6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...7557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.200.230 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.200.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown VE A) 1693825;1501828166;mircea_popescu;in other unhappeneds, agnes miegel's an den fuhrer never existed, as far as the "gateway to world's culture" is concerned. 1693826;1501828246;mircea_popescu;"Laß in deine Hand, Führer, uns vor aller Welt bekennen. Du und wir, nie mehr zu trennen stehen ein für unser deutsches Land." thereof is cited (with special washington reich permission, no doubt) by about five billion "different" and no doubt "independent" that "are giving quotes". you know, for illustrative purposes. to illustrate a point. 1693827;1501828302;mircea_popescu;somehow that they all use the EXACT FUCKING TWO LINES as per the usg permit doesn't bother them. what, all lemmings think the same way, they independently and distinctly selected the exact some item for their illustrative needs. and they selected it out of the work in discussion, believe, not out of the reichkomissar's permit. 1693828;1501828483;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what the fuck is this dumb shit. 1693829;1501828566;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DB2CFB61E561DB1780002B39A2523DDA4836126A29445037CED8A2F2DF48509 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1592...8787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.65.6 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.65.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (3133.ovz-ssd7.hc.ru. RU) 1693830;1501828566;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DB2CFB61E561DB1780002B39A2523DDA4836126A29445037CED8A2F2DF48509 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1625...8253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.65.6 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.65.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (3133.ovz-ssd7.hc.ru. RU) 1693831;1501828582;mircea_popescu;" Our goal: smack-dab in the middle of a public Reddit or HackerNews or Twitter conversation, you should be able to say "Hey, I threw those gifs/libraries/whatever in our encrypted keybase folder" without ever asking for more identifying info. If that person hasn't installed Keybase yet, your human work is still done. They can join and access the data within seconds, and your device will quietly handle the verification and re 1693832;1501828583;mircea_popescu;keying, without ever trusting Keybase's servers." 1693833;1501828631;mircea_popescu;what the shit is this pile of batshit insane nonsense even supposed to mean, besides "o shit, the republic is taking over, quick! pretend like we';re doing soemthing" 1693834;1501830199;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00C76818DF38314F2C638CC2DB46383905026817ADFB3645A4F9B970AD023D38 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1710...5887 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.160.235.82 (ssh-rsa key from 213.160.235.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns01.online4u.no. NO 03) 1693835;1501830199;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00C76818DF38314F2C638CC2DB46383905026817ADFB3645A4F9B970AD023D38 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...0597 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.160.235.82 (ssh-rsa key from 213.160.235.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns01.online4u.no. NO 03) 1693836;1501854834;mod6;mornin 1693837;1501855619;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1693838;1501856090;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693833 << the usual embrace&extinguish work. 1693839;1501856090;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 06:37 mircea_popescu: what the shit is this pile of batshit insane nonsense even supposed to mean, besides "o shit, the republic is taking over, quick! pretend like we';re doing soemthing" 1693840;1501856237;asciilifeform;'identity proofs (twitter, github, your website, etc.)' didjaknow. 1693841;1501858404;asciilifeform;meanwhile, ACHTUNG PANZERS! 1693842;1501858447;asciilifeform;i did finally get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693606 going . had to edit makefile and ENABLE_TCL := 0 1693843;1501858447;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 02:20 asciilifeform: 'yosys' is that chain's verilog synth; the whole shebang is quite dead in the water without it. 1693844;1501858454;asciilifeform;so can haz ice40!!!! 1693845;1501858463;asciilifeform;synthesis appears to work. 1693846;1501858484;asciilifeform;( not even substantially slower than xilinx chain. though i have currently nfi re output quality in re path delays ) 1693847;1501858512;asciilifeform;at some point will have to see re depython3ization. 1693848;1501858804;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/56j7x/?raw=true 1693849;1501858805;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1693850;1501859002;asciilifeform;examples/icestick/example.v BUILDS and programs and runs... blinkenlichten blink in the specified order. 1693851;1501859024;asciilifeform;( not a high bar, but probably enough to say now that next FUCKGOATS will NOT feature a xilinx no moar ) 1693852;1501859097;mod6;ah, cool alf 1693853;1501859169;asciilifeform;'icestick' is a notbad student devboard btw 1693854;1501859179;asciilifeform;thumbdrive-shaped, no cabled needed 1693855;1501859183;asciilifeform;*cables 1693856;1501859196;asciilifeform;(carries own jtag-programmator along) 1693857;1501859244;mod6;~fiddybux, nb 1693858;1501859263;asciilifeform;25 1693859;1501859303;asciilifeform;http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=57375&utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=Lattice%20Semiconductor&utm_campaign=ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtpDMBRC4ARIsADhz5O6lYGXDb4mfQa-6T-bZvt35DjOq1AJNVMLPxBN2i_K_lje_fekDtFoaAoUMEALw_wcB << 20. 1693860;1501859314;asciilifeform;maybe even cheaper elsewhere. 1693861;1501859348;asciilifeform;it isn't the only compat. devboard , by any means. but probably the smallest and most self-contained. 1693862;1501859363;asciilifeform;has ftdi thing for usb i/o as well as programming. 1693863;1501859379;asciilifeform;and buncha lights, and a pin header. 1693864;1501859510;*;asciilifeform goes back to FFAism 1693865;1501861353;asciilifeform;https://blog.lse.epita.fr//articles/77-lsepc-intro.html << in other veryolds. 1693866;1501862321;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "isn't this lulzy", Aug 04 02:21:45 * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Aug 04 02:21:45 * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). 1693867;1501862346;mircea_popescu;dorks gotta arresthire some more, srsly now, this is reich-level ridiculous. 1693868;1501862510;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NV22W/?raw=true 1693869;1501863415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693840 << i didn't fucking know. explain plox! starting with https://keybase.io/images/tracking/maria_twitter.jpg perhaps. so what was it, mircea_popescu = m1rcea_p0pescu ? and what else, 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 = 2FB7B452 = ae1be204f735a3ff19160b68dcf5b06d2FB7B452 ? 1693870;1501863415;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 14:17 asciilifeform: 'identity proofs (twitter, github, your website, etc.)' didjaknow. 1693871;1501863517;mircea_popescu;schmucks. 1693872;1501863590;mircea_popescu;"hey, we discover a way whereby cold equations no longer applies" "o wow. does this way still do anything ?" "nope" "so it's directly equivalent to not having invented anything" "yes, but we can brand this." 1693873;1501863743;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693844 << o hey, turns out you didn't even need america's fastest lyoinnais transported flat tv screens for anything ? win. 1693874;1501863743;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 14:54 asciilifeform: so can haz ice40!!!! 1693875;1501863865;asciilifeform;i since tested the j1forth thing on same board. builds, runs. 1693876;1501863874;mircea_popescu;nice. 1693877;1501863881;asciilifeform;'the lady goes' 1693878;1501863919;asciilifeform;this is a 20bux board that gives fullspeed usb , lamps, ir i/o (why -- idk ) and various else. 1693879;1501863922;asciilifeform;1k LUTs. 1693880;1501863945;mircea_popescu;pretty cool 1693881;1501863947;mircea_popescu;!!up diana_away 1693882;1501863947;asciilifeform;( moar than enough for, e.g., soft mips cpu, & similar ) 1693883;1501863947;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes. 1693884;1501863953;diana_away;thanks 1693885;1501864012;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ir i/o is not so bad to have. no need to crt/print and gun anymore, just use an ir diode system. 1693886;1501864053;asciilifeform;it's 'promiscuous' , vs qr gun 1693887;1501864063;asciilifeform;ideally you'd put a black hose around it. 1693888;1501864067;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1693889;1501864074;asciilifeform;then yes. 1693890;1501864080;mircea_popescu;not even black as much as you know, ir dark. 1693891;1501864092;asciilifeform;( nao if i knew where i buried my serial-to-irda box from 1990s! ) 1693892;1501864100;mircea_popescu;from experience car cooling hose works fab. 1693893;1501864123;mircea_popescu;(25 bux for a meter's worth or so) 1693894;1501864129;asciilifeform;i used to make field-expedient photoisolators from diode+photocell+heatshrinkhose 1693895;1501864152;mircea_popescu;which is heatshrinkhose ? 1693896;1501864208;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/1.jpg << the material (in this case, clear, but comes in all types) curled around the ferrites in pic 1693897;1501864230;asciilifeform;it shrinks ~80% at 80c 1693898;1501864237;mircea_popescu;ah 1693899;1501864255;asciilifeform;btw i have 20GB or so out of that thing 1693900;1501864277;asciilifeform;exactly same , as far as i can tell, as no box. 1693901;1501864354;mircea_popescu;you mean, you had a boxed fg running and it produced 20GB of entropy so far and you can't detect anything more or less than with an unboxed FG ? 1693902;1501864360;asciilifeform;correct. 1693903;1501864367;mircea_popescu;yes but also comprehensible. 1693904;1501864390;asciilifeform;all it shows is that the thing did not ~obviously~ pick up voiceofamerica. 1693905;1501864460;asciilifeform;( and revisiting http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/2.jpg , for completeness, one coax is dc 5v , other -- ttl output ) 1693906;1501864514;asciilifeform;recall also http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fibertest/fg_isol_sender.jpg + http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fibertest/fg_isol_receiver.jpg gave similar null result for ~power~. 1693907;1501864543;asciilifeform;(i.e. made no diff, in a lab setting, whether power source was pc (mine is on isolated mains however) or batt ) 1693908;1501864555;asciilifeform;both may very well still make diff in a tactical setting. 1693909;1501864608;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in subrural romania, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-BxbLyO_ng 1693910;1501864724;asciilifeform;btw that laser was a bit wonky, i hesitate to recommend it : it would overpower the receiver if the fiber were actually screwed in all the way 'to the hilt', and barf 1693911;1501864763;asciilifeform;but currently i have nfi who -- if anyone -- makes a better one pcb-mounted visible-light one. that module is ubiquitous. 1693912;1501864799;asciilifeform;and it ain't a 'cable too short' either -- i used a 4-metre fiber 1693913;1501864877;mircea_popescu;technically this is a good thing, can use very long cable. 1693914;1501864885;mircea_popescu;screw a filter in if short, no biggy. 1693915;1501864897;asciilifeform;bad thing because thing requires hour of manual fiddling 1693916;1501864904;asciilifeform;and could fail if room gets too warm too cold etc 1693917;1501864912;asciilifeform;it is not The Right Thing. 1693918;1501864935;asciilifeform;a trial with toslink is in the worx but omfg i have too few hands and infinite work 1693919;1501864972;mircea_popescu;:p 1693920;1501864992;asciilifeform;( and toshiba is rotting in hell, who knows if toslink will be around in near future. and for some reason they use slow slew rate diode and it tops out at 1M/s ) 1693921;1501865036;asciilifeform;incidentally for some reason i remember kako bragging about his 'data diode' thing, apparently it was his crowning techno-achievement 1693922;1501865069;mircea_popescu;nothin wrong with dat. 1693923;1501865085;asciilifeform;nope. 1693924;1501865098;asciilifeform;but rather like bragging about changing oil in auto. 1693925;1501865123;mircea_popescu;o yeah ? you think people generally can change their oil ? 1693926;1501865158;asciilifeform;in old-time su, when auto aficionados all had access to a pit, they could 1693927;1501865189;mircea_popescu;you gotta a) read the fucking manual to find oil drain spot ; b) lift front on crank ; c) set a large enough recipient correctly on the ground. 1693928;1501865206;asciilifeform;lol re c 1693929;1501865207;mircea_popescu;i would guess < 0.01% of general pop could do this at all. 1693930;1501865262;mircea_popescu;andf in the "don't do more damage than the shop would charge ; and don't take longer than it'd take to take to shop" view... god help us. 0% and leave it at that. 1693931;1501865288;asciilifeform;i recently saw a truck painted with ad, 'we are the plumber who will fix the pipe your husband 'fixed' ' 1693932;1501865347;mircea_popescu;their bane is technology. /me saw pipe screwed in backwards (for some reason pipe had been threaded the wrong way for the nut). but with the help of teflon tape (GAS version, btw) it only leaked a little. dripped. 1693933;1501865359;mircea_popescu;if they didn't have access to human tools and tech generally, their stupidity would be unsustainable. 1693934;1501865360;asciilifeform;holyfuck. 1693935;1501865364;mircea_popescu;yes. 1693936;1501865370;mircea_popescu;this is the problem. don't give orc fucking teflon tape. 1693937;1501865433;asciilifeform;bonus re teflontape -- teflon + Al reaction -- explosion and HF. this requires strictly pressure to initiate. pressure that is sometimes reached in a water pipe... 1693938;1501865471;mircea_popescu;you don't say. 1693939;1501865498;mircea_popescu;which is the sad point that i am constrained to make against my will : there's a good fucking reason for tivoization. 1693940;1501865501;mircea_popescu;the imbeciles. 1693941;1501865516;asciilifeform;whipping also works. 1693942;1501865550;asciilifeform;there used to be a population of quacks offering 'cheap, discrete' abortions with veterinary tools they somehow got hold of, & similar 1693943;1501865564;asciilifeform;it is not the fault of the knife, no. 1693944;1501865595;mircea_popescu;veterinary tools are not much worse for the job than what was found in a hospital cca 1970. the problem with obgyn is the hand not the tool. 1693945;1501865601;asciilifeform;aha 1693946;1501865625;mircea_popescu;(which is what makes the jeremy irons horror film. when obgyn decides "women are monstrously malforned, need better tools", all other obgyns know he's insane.) 1693947;1501865632;asciilifeform;point ( and i stole it from naggum, it is neither original to me nor to him ) is that most folx know better than to operate on their friends' internals 1693948;1501865666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but not THAT internal. most people consider themselves qualified to operate on that part. 1693949;1501865707;asciilifeform;the interesting bit re the comp is the absence of anything corresponding to the actual medical profession 1693950;1501865724;mircea_popescu;but nsa has been trying to build this forever. 1693951;1501865735;mircea_popescu;it's one of its deadly sins, in republican accounting. 1693952;1501865805;asciilifeform;was referring to 'medical profession' in the desirable 'people who actually use antiseptics and know how not to cut random arteries as they go' rather than 'caste of egomaniacal brahmins' american sense. 1693953;1501865818;mircea_popescu;but this is a node further down the tree. 1693954;1501865861;asciilifeform;how's that 1693955;1501865871;mircea_popescu;certainly us doctors are as egomaniacal idiotic as all other usg-aryan groups, financial experts, lawyers, etc. however, they are not derelict in their actual work (unlike the financial dorks, but like the lawyhers) 1693956;1501865883;asciilifeform;varies. 1693957;1501865891;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because that's how it goes, whether to have a caste at all comes before what kind shall it be. 1693958;1501865915;asciilifeform;not every craft ends up creating a self-licking-icecreamcone guild 1693959;1501865931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suppose exceptions could be found. but take constructions (architects + actual builders). exceptions could there also be found, but THE OTHER WAY. 1693960;1501865933;asciilifeform;( though admittedly i do not know the conditions which determine when ) 1693961;1501865938;mircea_popescu;this is to my eyes a very substantial difference. 1693962;1501866144;asciilifeform;hm. 1693963;1501866213;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/04/how-does-infant-car-seat-handle-in-blackzilla/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “How does infant car seat handle in Blackzilla?” 1693964;1501866476;asciilifeform;upstack : in case it wasn't obvious : it is possible to make ddr2 sdram controller , nic, etc. 1693965;1501866515;asciilifeform;ice40 series tops out at 250Mhz iirc, so it'd be a modest thing. but working. 1693966;1501866564;asciilifeform;( and that's the global clock net max, rather than 'hey i can make a pentium pro'. LUT delay is 10ns+ iirc ) 1693967;1501866605;asciilifeform;you ~can~ make a i386. or a m68k. mips. 'ivory'... etc 1693968;1501866613;mircea_popescu;right, you can make a lisp machine. 1693969;1501866617;asciilifeform;aha. 1693970;1501866649;asciilifeform;1 that runs on 'aa' battery. 1693971;1501866667;asciilifeform;( lattice co.'s whole niche is micropower fpga ) 1693972;1501866765;mircea_popescu;would be pretty funny, considering that's the one point the "supremely engineered" items were never really engineered for. power draw, weight, ecological considerations of that sort. 1693973;1501866804;asciilifeform;if we're speaking of 1980s, no comp maker then engineered 'for power draw and ecology', it was a nonstarter 1693974;1501866817;mircea_popescu;yup. 1693975;1501866844;mircea_popescu;i'm not faulting them for it ; but the matter remains. 100kg and 5KW/h for the battery-powered fpga ? aww! 1693976;1501866857;asciilifeform;as for weight, original bolix was doublefridge size. the 3620 (what i have here) was paraded when debuted by the ceo hand carried on a stage in front of audience, 'only 100 pounds!' 1693977;1501866882;mircea_popescu;almost ready to go into "briefcase". 1693978;1501866896;mircea_popescu;"man should be able to drag 50kg from car to elevators" 1693979;1501866897;asciilifeform;eventually they shrunk ~whole thing down to 1 die ( + crapple mac 'quadra' for support ) and bankrupted to dead in the process. 1693980;1501866911;asciilifeform;*to death 1693981;1501866923;asciilifeform;because fab ain't cheap. 1693982;1501866932;asciilifeform;( they didn't own a fab, either, contracted ) 1693983;1501866936;mircea_popescu;aha. 1693984;1501867021;asciilifeform;last gasp was the emulator, on dec alpha ( forced choice, no other 64bit chip on the market then ) , ran at 3x speed of the best actual chip 1693985;1501867028;asciilifeform;but toolate. 1693986;1501867047;asciilifeform;then alpha died and curtain. 1693987;1501867137;asciilifeform;re energy -- my 3620 drew ~600 W. 1693988;1501867158;asciilifeform;( slightly less than double of what the comp i am sitting on now, eats ) 1693989;1501867169;asciilifeform;console another 150. 1693990;1501867187;asciilifeform;( pretty close to what my lcd wall eats actually ) 1693991;1501867677;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in arm7 planet, https://getchip.com/pages/chippro 1693992;1501867722;asciilifeform;( pogolike, though no sata or wired nic, <20bux in 'infinite' qty ) 1693993;1501868329;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/xb1If << in other olds. dataflow crackpotteries. 1693994;1501868591;mircea_popescu;aand in other mini-news,

  • #trilema logs.
  • . 1693995;1501868866;lobbes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TGHNG/?raw=true << Even though I closed my account ages ago, still get Buttbase emails. Just received his lovely gem of SFYL lulz 1693996;1501868930;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wassat 1693997;1501868950;mircea_popescu;the logs links on trilema sidebar. so far they all still fit, somehiw 1693998;1501869013;mircea_popescu;lobbes no, the january 1st is top kek. 1693999;1501869070;mircea_popescu;these dorks evaporated in two days, and the cavalry is coming in january ? all of the "investors" and "Speculators" and "Experts" in bitcoin crash will have long moved on, most of them through multiple different "new big thing". 1694000;1501869414;lobbes;Ohey, mircea_popescu you should switch the logs.minigame.bz link to "http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html"; currently is set to the static page of 8-4-2017 1694001;1501869494;lobbes;I.e. the "s.." 1694002;1501869497;mircea_popescu;a kk 1694003;1501869501;mircea_popescu;yea 1694004;1501869575;mircea_popescu;done 1694005;1501870915;ben_vulpes;you'll want it to be .html too :P 1694006;1501870955;ben_vulpes;!!up edivad 1694007;1501870956;deedbot;edivad voiced for 30 minutes. 1694008;1501870970;ben_vulpes;edivad: what kind of system are you building trb on that shipped without `patch`? 1694009;1501871744;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes huh ? 1694010;1501871752;mircea_popescu;o damn. ty. 1694011;1501872422;shinohai; 23:53:31 --> http_GK1wmSU (~deep-book@129.232.221.173) has joined #chainstate << now he's following you ben_vulpes xD 1694012;1501872584;ben_vulpes;yeah i been watching 1694013;1501872660;lobbes;ben_vulpes: you'll want it to be .html too :P << Related phun phact: plaintext versions of static #eulora log pages are available by lopping off the ".html" e.g.  "http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-01.log.html" >> "http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-01.log" 1694014;1501872769;ben_vulpes;lobbes: neato 1694015;1501873156;mircea_popescu;a nice. 1694016;1501874969;ben_vulpes;in other old lady state news, girl who texted guy to kill himself got 15 months in the pen 1694017;1501874973;ben_vulpes;manslaughter, dontchaknow 1694018;1501875073;trinque;shoulda said he "raped her". she'd have her own youtube channel by now, or w/e the kids do. 1694019;1501875812;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> edivad: what kind of system are you building trb on that shipped without `patch`? << this is the same thing I said. 1694020;1501875818;mod6;(He asked in PM) 1694021;1501875843;mod6;Haven't heard back yet, but instructed to install whatever package contains `patch` and proceed from there. 1694022;1501875885;mod6;I did run into this once before with someone else, can't remember whom. But yeah, some default install of $linux that doesn't come with anything. 1694023;1501878957;asciilifeform;mod6: typically rathead variants 1694024;1501878973;asciilifeform;( 'why should we ship dev tool! we're a binary turd, microshit by other name' ) 1694025;1501879108;ben_vulpes;trinque: hue 1694026;1501879120;ben_vulpes;!!up edivad 1694027;1501879120;deedbot;edivad voiced for 30 minutes. 1694028;1501879316;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ( 'why should we ship dev tool! we're a binary turd, microshit by other name' ) << this 1694029;1501879324;mod6;edivad: did you get it resolved? 1694030;1501880123;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform took the chance made by the death of ssd in 'zoolag' to attempt netbsd. result : no boot. ( with or without 'no acpi' ) option, hangs at usb init. 1694031;1501880166;mod6;sad 1694032;1501880167;asciilifeform;fuck x86 with red hot poker. 1694033;1501880656;ben_vulpes;https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/us/10-sickened-kansas-city-irs-suspicious-package.html 1694034;1501881047;asciilifeform;cure on the netbsd forums is 'turn off usb3'. twist : CANNOT be disabled on the box in question 1694035;1501881060;asciilifeform;( because bios from malicious tards. how about linuxbios ? no can do, because intel. ) 1694036;1501881151;asciilifeform;https://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2013/11/11/msg023663.html << 2013! and before anyone asks, the proposed fix dun work. 1694037;1501881163;asciilifeform;but HEY AT LEAST IT RUNS ON DREAMCAST AND TOASTERS 1694038;1501881185;asciilifeform;( and in fact it ran on my pogo. but that doesn't produce a usable trb node. ) 1694039;1501881186;mod6;lel 1694040;1501881225;asciilifeform;i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel 1694041;1501881347;asciilifeform;infuriating idiocy. apparently it won't run on any. x86. box. with. usb3. at. all. 1694042;1501881412;asciilifeform;because the shitware iron does not in fact follow anything resembling a spec. it follows a liquishit that would take up five walls of book if ever put to paper -- which it won't be -- and co-developed with winblowz shitware driver, which ~runs, and rathead shitware 'open' sores driver, which runs, and naught ever else. 1694043;1501881416;asciilifeform;usb3, that is. 1694044;1501881426;mod6;yeah that sucks 1694045;1501881495;asciilifeform;looks like we're down to exactly 1 ~working os, folx... 1694046;1501881552;asciilifeform;i'll point out that this was the fiddybux 'celeron' box that beat the living shit out of $maxint dulap : strictly on account of having ssd 1694047;1501881607;asciilifeform;old disk in zoolag was with centos. 1694048;1501881612;asciilifeform;i want centos out of my house. 1694049;1501881624;asciilifeform;but dun have time to spend 2 wks making a gentoo box... 1694050;1501881745;asciilifeform;motherfucker. i dun even USE usb3 for anything. 1694051;1501881747;mod6;yeah, takes some time to setup. well worth it in the end... just takes some time. 1694052;1501881759;asciilifeform;mod6: i elementarily don't have the time. 1694053;1501882384;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in music from less rotten worlds, http://joshuawise.com/vax/vaxstationii.mp3 . 1694054;1501886247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kODAQ/?raw=true 1694055;1501886525;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694018 << kids dunno how to work the ropes of herdemocracy. 1694056;1501886525;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 19:31 trinque: shoulda said he "raped her". she'd have her own youtube channel by now, or w/e the kids do. 1694057;1501886593;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694035 << doesn't sound like much of a box. yank usb3 controller off board i guess ? 1694058;1501886593;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 21:11 asciilifeform: ( because bios from malicious tards. how about linuxbios ? no can do, because intel. ) 1694059;1501886682;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694049 << cuntoo being the evident and correct solution, rather than the constant two weeks. 1694060;1501886682;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 21:20 asciilifeform: but dun have time to spend 2 wks making a gentoo box... 1694061;1501887103;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/caligula/ << Trilema - Caligula 1694062;1501887373;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694057 << it's an all-in-one 1694063;1501887373;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 22:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694035 << doesn't sound like much of a box. yank usb3 controller off board i guess ? 1694064;1501887386;mircea_popescu;heh 1694065;1501887405;mircea_popescu;no bios and must run usb3 seems to disqualify the hardware, not netbsd, though. 1694066;1501887410;asciilifeform;and this is true of pretty much any box that makes decent trb node (i.e. has sata3 + ssd ) 1694067;1501887449;asciilifeform;more recent boxes have no usb2 at all... 1694068;1501887518;asciilifeform;possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard. 1694069;1501887533;asciilifeform;( nic dun go -- then wat. ) 1694070;1501887593;mircea_popescu;im not sure what you're saying. 1694071;1501887606;asciilifeform;btw in case this wasn't clear, this was zoolag , which did 2+ yrs of 24/7 trb. 1694072;1501887627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: netbsd attempt hangs that box at usb chip init. 1694073;1501887637;mircea_popescu;because the box is broken. 1694074;1501887693;asciilifeform;show where to get sata3 fanless box cum gbE with no usb3 ? 1694075;1501887735;asciilifeform;i'll buy dozen... 1694076;1501887831;mircea_popescu;but this does not fix the bot. 1694077;1501887836;mircea_popescu;box* 1694078;1501887847;asciilifeform;realize, i dun have the iron i have because i found it on he sidewalk. 1694079;1501887855;asciilifeform;*the 1694080;1501887866;mircea_popescu;none of this cogently argues "netbsd is bad". 1694081;1501887881;asciilifeform;not so 'bad' as 'murdered' 1694082;1501887901;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1694083;1501887932;asciilifeform;( was my meaning in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694040 ) 1694084;1501887932;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 21:13 asciilifeform: i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel 1694085;1501887974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc the g-series amds went into fanless embeds. pretty sure they take s3 ? 1694086;1501887989;asciilifeform;not afaik 1694087;1501887998;asciilifeform;( they clock it down to sata2 ) 1694088;1501888039;asciilifeform;also problem is the soldered down ram. 1694089;1501888040;mircea_popescu;here, asrock QC5000-ITX/PH. multiple s3, and pretty sure it goes into fanless arangement., 1694090;1501888054;*;asciilifeform puts on iron list 1694091;1501888082;mircea_popescu;there's also stuff from biostar, zotac, ecs which imo sucks, and so on. 1694092;1501888107;mircea_popescu;but basically FT amd's will fit into your purpose here. 1694093;1501888115;asciilifeform;that's a 'kabini' 1694094;1501888124;asciilifeform;usb3 on fucking cpu die 1694095;1501888149;asciilifeform;afaik they're all kabini or the next, ditto 1694096;1501888168;asciilifeform;( apparently i have one here ..! ) 1694097;1501888216;mircea_popescu;yes, but i expect you can turn it off with a proper bios ? 1694098;1501888239;mircea_popescu;i thought the problem was the intel bios lock + the inept usb3 combo, rather than the simple presence of usb3 ? 1694099;1501888254;asciilifeform;possibly, i'ma try it on this here one i've nailed to a plank 1694100;1501888272;*;mircea_popescu has never specifically done zoolag, is stuck guessing from higher up. 1694101;1501888298;asciilifeform;it was a fist-sized 'gigabyte' fanless celeron thing. 1694102;1501888314;mircea_popescu;well, conceivably can be replaced with same gigabyte celeron ? 1694103;1501888364;asciilifeform;it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack. 1694104;1501888376;mircea_popescu;ah ah right. 1694105;1501888400;asciilifeform;it was running a vintage centos prev. 1694106;1501888437;mircea_popescu;right. so basically time exposed a broken box you had in your basement. happens to me all teh time. 1694107;1501888487;asciilifeform;brokenbydesign aha 1694108;1501888494;mircea_popescu;aha 1694109;1501888529;asciilifeform;the troubling bit is that even if trick works with kabini, that might be the last. 1694110;1501888539;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1694111;1501888539;asciilifeform;and it's out of print even nao. 1694112;1501888556;asciilifeform;( recall, current amd is locked into pantsuitbios ) 1694113;1501888710;asciilifeform;extra infuriating detail -- i dun specifically need x86 for this , trb runs ok on arm. BUT all extant arms have soldered down (and insufficient) ram. 1694114;1501888717;asciilifeform;( incl. pogo ) 1694115;1501888730;mircea_popescu;perhaps easier to approach than usb3 ablation. 1694116;1501888732;asciilifeform;there is no fundamental reason for this. 1694117;1501888767;asciilifeform;trb in 256M ain't happening. 1694118;1501888776;asciilifeform;not without rewrite. 1694119;1501888800;asciilifeform;sorta what all of my findings from beginning to nao, sum to. 1694120;1501888811;mircea_popescu;there';s no fundamental reason trb needs more than about 5mb or so of ram ; but this aside : gotta find a way to put your own ram in the damned arm boxes. 1694121;1501888836;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only way the latter happens is new board from 0 1694122;1501888879;mircea_popescu;board is no such a huge deal. for one thing they're all farmed out anyway, and most parts are off the shelf ; for the other -- how the fuck are you gonna cut off the on-chip nasty. 1694123;1501888884;asciilifeform;ever take close look at board with sdram ? needs equal paths ( the wiggling lines you see are called 'meanders' ) 1694124;1501888909;asciilifeform;ah i thought implication was 'mod the board' 1694125;1501888925;mircea_popescu;nah. easier to make new board for pogo than to make new cpu for zoolag. 1694126;1501888931;asciilifeform;but yes it is possible to design arm box with sockets 1694127;1501888941;mircea_popescu;and ~possibly~ easier than to sanely rewrite trb 1694128;1501888944;asciilifeform;if you could source an arm 1694129;1501888955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform move the pogo cpu ? lol. 1694130;1501888962;asciilifeform;which to date i have found impossible in human qties 1694131;1501888973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever reball a bga? 1694132;1501888983;mircea_popescu;personally ? no lol. 1694133;1501889039;asciilifeform;anyway above contemplation is a year+ of sweat and all you get at the end is a very expensive arm. 1694134;1501889062;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1694135;1501889071;asciilifeform;'i want a glass of beer' 'here is some sand, a plot of land..' 1694136;1501889094;mircea_popescu;moderate your expectations! 1694137;1501889123;asciilifeform;well i have. currently, by expecting 1 fewer trb testbed.. 1694138;1501889134;asciilifeform;would rather moderate some other 1694139;1501889155;mircea_popescu;in other news, kichizo ishida's severed penis disappeared from teh tokyo uni medical school museum at some point. 1694140;1501889174;asciilifeform;whossat 1694141;1501889214;mircea_popescu;major japanese sex/fun scandal pre ww2, lifetime whore from whore fambly cut off dude's penis and went around with it inserted for a few days. 1694142;1501889227;mircea_popescu;!~google sada abe 1694143;1501889228;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Sada Abe - Wikipedia: ; Sada Abe | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: ; Smiling Sada Abe - FamousPictures.org: 1694144;1501889405;mircea_popescu;as there's no natural nails for the "feminist" hysteria to hang its plurious hats from, generally any salient features of the environment will be co-opted. which is the story here as it is with every other mentally ill / imbecile heroine of the nonsense. 1694145;1501890872;mircea_popescu;in other somewhat-lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6rjzqz/two_biggest_bitcoin_subs_according_to_their/ 1694146;1501891353;lobbes;asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xaKiz/?raw=true 1694147;1501893773;*;mircea_popescu is watching "der ewige jude". holy shit it's bad. who the fuck came up with the notion "propaganda works" anyway ? 1694148;1501893807;mircea_popescu;upon examination seems more in the vein of "gifts for sex works". sure it works. in the sense of "if she was going to fuck you anyway, then totally". 1694149;1501895986;shinohai;https://github.com/Bitcoin-ABC/bitcoin-abc/issues/66 <<< Apparently, one can have Negative balance in "Bitcoin ABC" 1694150;1501896140;mircea_popescu;is this good for crash coin ? 1694151;1501899087;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 190.73.104.55 1694152;1501899106;mircea_popescu;mmm. well known ssh/http proxy, at that. 1694153;1501904521;mircea_popescu;and in other humble living news, a pound of frozen maraschino cherries, a coupla bananas, a dozen or two shots of prime rum, milk and ice qs blend into a rather pleasant cocktail 1694154;1501904528;mircea_popescu;about a harem's worth, +-. 1694155;1501906036;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1694156;1501906039;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1694157;1501906040;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 479128 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 679 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 5 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1694158;1501906053;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3102.24, vol: 10186.60970971 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3130.3, vol: 31617.34629133 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3045.557, vol: 16532.34440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3115.0, vol: 8128.02414095 | Volume-weighted last average: 3103.04935822 1694159;1501906075;BingoBoingo;Oh my CRASHING!!! 1694160;1501906102;mircea_popescu;tsk tsk 1694161;1501906457;BingoBoingo;Meanwhil of Failfork: Bitcoin Cash $3,878,816,077 $235.32 16,482,875 BCH $204,338,000 -37.74% 1694162;1501907600;mircea_popescu;lol. 4 bn amirite. because everyone's mp now. 1694163;1501908171;BingoBoingo;Well, appearance thereof, and crumbling. 1694164;1501909942;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ << Trilema - Jud Suss 1694165;1501910665;mircea_popescu;and since i'm doing a nazi film retrospective, asciilifeform phf ever saw der herr der welt ? 1934 sf! robots! death rays! 1694166;1501910847;phf;huh, i haven't 1694167;1501910887;mircea_popescu;kinda not all that good, but anyway. 1694168;1501910964;phf;i might watch it at some point, but i'm downloading Caligula right now. 1694169;1501911036;mircea_popescu;you might have to go through kgb archives to locate a print. i rather doubt the internet has such doubleplusungood material. 1694170;1501911214;phf;huh, even rutracker is failing :o 1694171;1501911269;mircea_popescu;you were too young for the master of the world also! 1694172;1501911395;mircea_popescu;anyway. censorship as usually idiotic, there's really not that much "propaganda" involved. 1694173;1501911426;mircea_popescu;if one can make it throuygh a 30 second superbowl break, one can make it through 30s nazi-sf attempts. 1694174;1501911731;phf;i had a viewing of olympia couple of days ago at my place.. i mean, it's not any kind of a movie.. 1694175;1501911823;phf;so this "nazi film retrospective" is very apropos 1694176;1501912055;mircea_popescu;:p 1694177;1501912079;mircea_popescu;anyway. no actual jews were hurt in the makinbg of this retrospective. 1694178;1501912094;mircea_popescu;well, a little perivulvarily, but nothing to write home about. 1694179;1501914218;phf;and since it's a slow night at tmsr, in other non-news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHGyW3IJZL0 1694180;1501915251;phf;(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V-b8QIYOpM 1694181;1501915391;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlpDf6XX_j0 1694182;1501917113;phf; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDAuaStv2Kk 1694183;1501920123;phf;this one's for Vexual, https://soundcloud.com/robot-heart/the-scumfrog-on-robot-heart-thursday-night-at-burning-man-2010 1694184;1501921186;phf;!!up scatha 1694185;1501921186;deedbot;scatha voiced for 30 minutes. 1694186;1501921306;phf;not sure if you want it, but you have the floor. 1694187;1501921411;phf;a quite type eh, well, it's 4:30am, tmsr, i'm waiting for your calls, meanwhile, .. frankie bones, the man, the legend, on … tmsr radio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbogMbh3iM 1694188;1501924340;phf;!!up Uglux 1694189;1501924340;deedbot;Uglux voiced for 30 minutes. 1694190;1501924370;phf;we have another caller, hello, you're on air 1694191;1501924516;phf;keep those leaps sealed, stranger, but meanwhile … seal, "kiss from a rose" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCol1dhLmco 1694192;1501924710;phf;kiss from a rose … this is tmsr radio! i'm waiting from your calls. 1694193;1501925921;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZh2vhmype4 1694194;1501927302;phf;and now a message from our sponsors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9Iv_2fH_4 1694195;1501939502;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1694196;1501939516;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3165.0, vol: 13012.42435349 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3177.9, vol: 40739.58972339 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3132.048144, vol: 23651.97710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3157.894, vol: 10929.7870556 | Volume-weighted last average: 3161.24715585 1694197;1501940988;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/us-dollar-hits-new-all-time-lows-against-bitcoin/ << Qntra - US Dollar Hits New All Time Lows Against Bitcoin 1694198;1501942999;BingoBoingo;In other lolz, herGerman University no more https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/08/04/study-finds-many-european-academics-are-reluctant-teach-english 1694199;1501943401;shinohai;http://archive.is/i66hf “As of today, we have taken measures to blacklist all addresses associated with the WannaCry attackers that are known to the ShapeShift team" 1694200;1501945932;mod6;mornin' 1694201;1501951285;asciilifeform;!~later tell lobbes should show up some time today or mon. 1694202;1501951285;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1694203;1501951321;asciilifeform;shinohai: lulzy usgtorpropping of the monero nonsense 1694204;1501952347;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the cellars of the shitreich, https://archive.is/mpbcX >> '...ederal prosecutors also attempted to block Hutchins' request for bail on grounds he had shot firearms at a shooting range last week while in Vegas for the Black Hat and Defcon security gatherings' 1694205;1501954715;asciilifeform;in other lulz, i DID get netbsd going on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694103 box. but sad part is, it is useless, because 1) no usb 2) nic needs config 3) no way to connect kbd... 1694206;1501954715;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 23:12 asciilifeform: it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack. 1694207;1501954731;asciilifeform;literally doesn't need usb for ANYTHING but the config 1694208;1501954789;asciilifeform;later on i'ma pull the drive & try guessing the magic params and writing'em in on other box. 1694209;1501954813;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1694210;1501955223;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/456A734E6DDFB53A731F4AEF83BD5E7FC76183C407E172C8CF9D85EBF8967751 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1405...6307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.171.47.62 (ssh-rsa key from 46.171.47.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pbv62.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1694211;1501955223;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/456A734E6DDFB53A731F4AEF83BD5E7FC76183C407E172C8CF9D85EBF8967751 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...9993 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.171.47.62 (ssh-rsa key from 46.171.47.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pbv62.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1694212;1501958570;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694201 << eh? Reread message I sent (maybe I can't word things). There was a mistake that benefits me, not you :) 1694213;1501958570;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 16:41 asciilifeform: !~later tell lobbes should show up some time today or mon. 1694214;1501958603;asciilifeform;1s 1694215;1501958686;asciilifeform;lobbes: plz examine what you sent , because i dun see anything of the sort. 1694216;1501959159;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694208 << in other noose, this worked. 1694217;1501959159;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 17:39 asciilifeform: later on i'ma pull the drive & try guessing the magic params and writing'em in on other box. 1694218;1501959176;asciilifeform;habemus netbsd-zoolag. 1694219;1501959211;asciilifeform;( no trb yet, but enough to re-pour the cement... ) 1694220;1501960054;mod6;cool alf 1694221;1501960341;*;asciilifeform discovers that NOTHING AT ALL works under netbsd for ~building~ ( i had 2yrs ago build a 'stator' FOR netbsd, UNDER linux, worked... ) 1694222;1501960350;asciilifeform;not make, not sed, nuffin. 1694223;1501960354;asciilifeform;all heathen liquishit. 1694224;1501960392;asciilifeform;no shell with tabcompletion, even. pure agony to so much as work on the thing. 1694225;1501960406;asciilifeform;i have nfi why anyone still tolerates this sort of thing. 1694226;1501960427;asciilifeform;if i had to pick b/w not having indoor shitter and not having tab completion, i'd pick the former. 1694227;1501960513;asciilifeform;midnight/'fish' dun work with the heathen shell either, i end up having to tar up whatevers and sftp'em in/out , takes 100x as long 1694228;1501960526;asciilifeform;if somebody knows how to make it behave like white man os -- plz to write in. 1694229;1501960571;asciilifeform;i have busybox-based linux2.4 shitboxes with 8M of disk that behave better than this. 1694230;1501960634;phf;set -o emacs 1694231;1501960649;asciilifeform;wassat do 1694232;1501960728;phf;binds bunch of keys to "users come to expect", including tab completion to ^I 1694233;1501960744;asciilifeform;oh neato 1694234;1501960746;asciilifeform;ty phf . 1694235;1501960817;asciilifeform;still no fish though 1694236;1501960848;asciilifeform;does weird things, doesn't see home dir on login via fish, and if manually put there, refuses to write 1694237;1501960887;asciilifeform;hm nm, fixed 1694238;1501960889;asciilifeform;(needed perl) 1694239;1501960897;phf;yeah, because presumably it's written by incompetent people who haven't seen anything but linux ecosystem? 1694240;1501960919;asciilifeform;worx nao 1694241;1501960933;asciilifeform;my barf was premature 1694242;1501960939;phf;emacs for example with their tramp has layers of fallback (oh you don't have perl? it's ok, we'll do it with toothpicks, but takes 2x longer) 1694243;1501961082;phf;tramp when it sets up remove ssh scaffolding, sends small inline scripts which defensively retranslate what emacs wants, rather then doing "ssh foo ls" 1694244;1501961113;*;asciilifeform attempts a build of traditional stator trb inside netbsd ( as rotor is unnecessary there, there is no drepper glibc ) 1694245;1501961201;asciilifeform;phf: didja do this at some point ? 1694246;1501961206;asciilifeform;i have this memory of phf barfing 1694247;1501961253;phf;that memory is incorrect, the correct memory would be of ~you~ barfing at the then suggestion of supporting bsd :> 1694248;1501961277;asciilifeform;i had a year+ of unsuccess with openbsd 1694249;1501961290;asciilifeform;but possibly because плохому танцору яйца мешают (tm) 1694250;1501961304;phf;that's because you didn't try to simply use the patch to makefile that i posted on the list 1694251;1501961309;asciilifeform;hm. 1694252;1501961334;asciilifeform;phf: remember by any chance when/where this was ? 1694253;1501961432;phf;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html 1694254;1501961464;asciilifeform;phf: ty 1694255;1501961492;asciilifeform;yes indeed this is exactly it. 1694256;1501961515;phf;and the most important part is to replace -l pthread with "-Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" which in fact should be happening on all os 1694257;1501961535;asciilifeform;phf: the result runs ? 1694258;1501961559;phf;of course, why would i suggest it otherwise? :o 1694259;1501961593;asciilifeform;dunno -- possibly because it never turned into a proper vpatch ..? 1694260;1501961596;asciilifeform;so i assumed it was a dud 1694261;1501961677;asciilifeform;incidentally i have nfi how you got bdb to build, bsd libtool seems to be broken , tries to write to /include and barfs ( rather than to the demanded local dir ) 1694262;1501961730;asciilifeform;aaah lol 'realpath' dun exist. 1694263;1501962135;phf;which reminds me that i need to regrind my shiva swank patch, which is broken 1694264;1501963755;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2017/08/05/otp-bot-services/ << trinque - Towards a Reliable OTP Mechanism for Bot Services 1694265;1501964337;asciilifeform;trinque: this looks neato 1694266;1501964433;asciilifeform;however one of the things that i always had ill ease about re pgp challenge-responsetrons , is that enemy who somehow substituted one, can get you to decrypt a message of his choice. (e.g. last year's launch codes.) 1694267;1501964449;asciilifeform;i do not know of anything that would qualify as a final solution for this. 1694268;1501964461;asciilifeform;noting ftr strictly. 1694269;1501964740;trinque;that yes, user has to be careful, not automate response, inspect the item in his hands before !!v 1694270;1501964764;asciilifeform;it's a hex string, neh 1694271;1501964767;asciilifeform;random 1694272;1501964769;asciilifeform;what's there to inspect ? 1694273;1501964783;trinque;the challenge includes the request 1694274;1501964783;asciilifeform;you have nfi whether it is actually a last year's hex string, fed back to you again. 1694275;1501964813;trinque;so the encrypted item is both the hex string and what you told the bot to do. 1694276;1501964825;asciilifeform;better. 1694277;1501964935;asciilifeform;phf: worx!!!! 1694278;1501965052;asciilifeform;4.8MB static elf, amd64, worx 1694279;1501965065;asciilifeform;about to put zoolag back in service. it will sync, for some days. 1694280;1501966308;asciilifeform;motheFUCKER 'route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable' when rebooted with the by-the-book static ip config. 1694281;1501966370;asciilifeform;why would it demand a working network PRIOR to assignment of static ip ?!!!! 1694282;1501967035;asciilifeform;...fixed. the docs lied re default route 1694283;1501967065;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG PANZERS , welcome back the new zoolag 1694284;1501967073;asciilifeform;it won't be much use until syncs 1694285;1501967075;asciilifeform;but worx. 1694286;1501967425;asciilifeform;gentlemen, if anybody wants his wire back, write in. but it won't do you much good until the thing is synced. 1694287;1501967447;asciilifeform;also at some point i'ma document this build and put own seal on phf's quite useful bsd fix. 1694288;1501967511;asciilifeform;zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 . 1694289;1501967527;asciilifeform;blockheight ~= 60k or so 1694290;1501968213;shinohai;\o/ 1694291;1501969014;*;asciilifeform bbl ( much meat ) 1694292;1501973022;mod6;<+asciilifeform> zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 . << thanks for the update. 1694293;1501973051;mod6;<+asciilifeform> blockheight ~= 60k or so << ah, bummer, no chain backup? 1694294;1501973148;mod6;<+phf> that's because you didn't try to simply use the patch to makefile that i posted on the list << i've had a trb openbsd since you posted this yes. 1694295;1501980658;asciilifeform;mod6: neato 1694296;1501980697;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694293 << i dun like relying on contents of rotten hdd any more than i have to 1694297;1501980697;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 22:44 mod6: <+asciilifeform> blockheight ~= 60k or so << ah, bummer, no chain backup? 1694298;1501980720;asciilifeform;and been a while since i synced from empty 1694299;1501980734;asciilifeform;worth a comparison 1694300;1501984420;BingoBoingo; worth a comparison << Aha someone steps up to duplicate my December 2016 to May 2017 experiment! 1694301;1501984719;BingoBoingo;But yes, phf makefile mod powers my OpenBSD builds. 1694302;1501988506;asciilifeform;wedge at 168000 apparently. 1694303;1501988519;asciilifeform;and nfi why. 1694304;1501988538;asciilifeform;( this ain't an ancient liquishit press ) 1694305;1501988653;asciilifeform;mod6, phf didja see 168kisms on openbsd? 1694306;1501988662;asciilifeform;i seem to recall. 1694307;1501988686;phf;i remember people wedging around there, but i didn't personally observe it 1694308;1501988809;asciilifeform;i walked the logs , found no record of a nailed root cause or finalsolution 1694309;1501988909;asciilifeform;fucking disgrace, is what this is 1694310;1501989071;asciilifeform;i duneven know if to blame bsd ( how..? ) or the imbecile's sync algo where all depends on who first node syphilitically fucks on warmup 1694311;1501989167;asciilifeform;( and where if the addnode people get hiccupped it will pick a rando scum to rely on, and never drop him no matter how many hours, days, WEEKs without newblock incoming) 1694312;1501989378;*;BingoBoingo addressed by restarting bitcoind on wedge 1694313;1501989508;*;phf covers his face 1694314;1501989553;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the absolute most total nogood.jog 1694315;1501989571;asciilifeform;does not meet cement standard. 1694316;1501989582;asciilifeform;trb on linux : does 1694317;1501989595;phf;that's a nice round number too, 168000 1694318;1501989609;BingoBoingo;last sync test WAS trb on linux 1694319;1501989641;asciilifeform;( i have 0 instances of wedged bring up on linux since mircea_popescu's bdb patch, in 30 or so shots on machines in various spots ) 1694320;1501989668;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=168000 1694321;1501989694;asciilifeform;phf: there was a bdb idiocy iirc that wedged at 168k 1694322;1501989706;asciilifeform;but fixed by mp's patch 2.5y ago. and apparently unfixd by bsd 1694323;1501989708;asciilifeform;somehow 1694324;1501989748;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i was reading plusminusweek of each of those search res for past 2h 1694325;1501989792;BingoBoingo;Assumed, dropping for other esteemed readers 1694326;1501989821;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632985 << see also 1694327;1501989821;a111;Logged on 2017-03-28 04:32 asciilifeform: mod6: imho manual knobs ~for unwedging~ are a fundamental mistake. nodes shouldn't be wedgeable, period. and the only use for a wedged node is to learn why it wedged and to make said scenario impossible in the future. 1694328;1501990192;asciilifeform;anyway phf mod6 BingoBoingo et al taking suggestions ( other than the beneath-contempt nonsense of 'reboot and jiggle the handle blindly until it works and forget about cement fleet ' ) 1694329;1501990263;phf;i don't remember every suggesting anything remotely similar. my suggestion would be to debug it, and solve the problem, rather than "mp's fix somehow magically resolves it" 1694330;1501990313;asciilifeform;debug how? 1694331;1501990664;phf;well, if i were approaching this, i'd replay to 167998 or so, setup a script to ensure that every time i start trb it starts from that state. i would then see if on forward play it would wedge. i would then investigate what is the nature of wedging, and slowly instrument the code along the various paths to tell me where exactly it decides to stop doing the right thing, etc. 1694332;1501990700;asciilifeform;replay??! 1694333;1501990703;asciilifeform;how? 1694334;1501990787;phf;split the current blocks, eat block until 167998, then on each restart copy the 167998 state folder over the settings folder 1694335;1501990824;asciilifeform;eatblock doesn't replicate the unknown stream of wild sewage that thing ate. 1694336;1501990831;asciilifeform;nor the timings. 1694337;1501990903;phf;if it consistently wedges at 168000 across various machines and settings then it's not a question of wild sewage 1694338;1501990919;asciilifeform;1 particular machine 1694339;1501990932;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/05/the-bitcoin-crash-fork-failure-chronology/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Bitcoin Crash fork failure chronology. 1694340;1501990939;asciilifeform;on 1 particular os previously afaik untested 1694341;1501990993;phf;you replay to 167998, you then let it run till 168000 on the network. if it doesn't wedge with that setup, than you have two possibilities. it is either a heisenbug, or you need to replay to an earlier block, say 167000 and let that run on the wild network, etc. 1694342;1501990996;asciilifeform;my suspicion is that the bdb locks patch somehow has no effect when bdb built on netbsd 1694343;1501991031;phf;~you can't reason about locks patch~ 1694344;1501991064;asciilifeform;i am increasingly of the notion that i can't rreason about ANY of it 1694345;1501991083;phf;until you can actually reproduce the nature of locks patch vs. block (or whatever wedges) 1694346;1501991145;asciilifeform;all this time i thought there were reproducibles. but it is nonsense to speak of reproducibles in 200Mb of liquishit dep that does whatever the fuck it wants 1694347;1501991782;asciilifeform;phf, mod6 , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/168k.txt.tar.gz << log 1694348;1501991825;asciilifeform;^ whole debug log since t=0 1694349;1501992430;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/liquishit.txt << representative sample of the interesting part. (warning -- 20MB!) 1694350;1501992544;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GWzyh/?raw=true << the pattern, in short. 1694351;1501992571;asciilifeform;and it goes on, and on, the invalidchainfound index marches on and on, then reorg fails, then ... etc 1694352;1501992576;asciilifeform;4evah. 1694353;1501992672;asciilifeform;!#s 2c2314f353 1694354;1501992672;a111;5 results for "2c2314f353", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=2c2314f353 1694355;1501992672;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6, phf didja see 168kisms on openbsd? << not me, but others did, see: <+BingoBoingo> http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=168000 1694356;1501992691;asciilifeform;mod6: i've been 'seeing' for ~3h now 1694357;1501992694;mod6;<+asciilifeform> phf, mod6 , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/168k.txt.tar.gz << log << /me looks 1694358;1501992699;BingoBoingo;Ah 1694359;1501992704;mod6;meanwhile, what openssl are you using? 1694360;1501992728;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-05#1188043 1694361;1501992728;a111;Logged on 2015-07-05 05:36 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 00:36:21; mod6: seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 1694362;1501992733;asciilifeform;THE MOTHERFUCKING FROZEN ONE 1694363;1501992735;asciilifeform;which else 1694364;1501992738;asciilifeform;SAME ONE WE ALL USE 1694365;1501992801;mod6;take it easy. just asking as it was indicated to be source of previous 168k wedge issue. 1694366;1501992834;asciilifeform;i am using literally the same deps dir as for past 2y. 1694367;1501992858;asciilifeform;signed, passes checksums , etc. 1694368;1501992955;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-23#1210108 << afaik this was never actually resolved in the logs 1694369;1501992955;a111;Logged on 2015-07-23 01:10 mod6: we saw stuff like that before with the 168`001 Verify Signature fail too. most of the time it failed for us... the three of us who were independantly testing it. But sometimes, it'd pass. Maybe 30% of the time. I was pulling my hair out. 1694370;1501992971;asciilifeform;went away on linux ( and apparently openbsd ) from locks patch, and that was the end of the thread 1694371;1501992991;asciilifeform;if i am mistaken, mod6 et al plox to say when and where it was resolved. 1694372;1501993017;mod6;so run on linux then 1694373;1501993040;mod6;I just rolled in, gimme some time to catch up and figure out whats what. 1694374;1501993059;asciilifeform;i'd like to get OFF linux. 1694375;1501993119;asciilifeform;naively thought 'i'll start with the smallest trb node!' 1694376;1501993224;mod6;I'm confused, are you saying that you're not interested in making a Cuntoo then? 1694377;1501993229;asciilifeform;out of bsd. 1694378;1501993238;asciilifeform;if at all possible. 1694379;1501993243;asciilifeform;weigh the 2 kernels, you'll see why. 1694380;1501993292;asciilifeform;see, it may seem to mod6 that asciilifeform is simply being difficult, whereas what asciilifeform found was that WE NEVER ACTUALLY FIXED 168K 1694381;1501993296;asciilifeform;it was still THERE, waiting. 1694382;1501993358;asciilifeform;just like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694106 observation. 1694383;1501993358;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 23:13 mircea_popescu: right. so basically time exposed a broken box you had in your basement. happens to me all teh time. 1694384;1501993384;asciilifeform;idea was, this-here static build will do same thing on every box where it builds and doesn't bomb on warmup. 1694385;1501993387;asciilifeform;turns out -- not. 1694386;1501993413;asciilifeform;until this 'not' remains, trb ain't a program, it's a voodoo incantation. 1694387;1501993419;asciilifeform;*while this 1694388;1501993465;asciilifeform;i'ma go to bed because if i keep at this, will pop a blood vessel somewhere. 1694389;1501993467;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1694390;1501994239;mod6;Look. First off, no I don't believe we ever found the cause of this. I remember pulling my hair out trying to figure it out -- there are logs indicating as much. 1694391;1501994346;mod6;I seem to remember this being specific to BSD, and in non-deterministic form. And looks like gernika for instance just simply resync'd and it seemed to not hit it again, for reasons yet unknown: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193289 1694392;1501994346;a111;Logged on 2015-07-08 16:36 mod6: <+gernika> mod6 I've attempted syncing on OpenBSD again and am now past block 168000 and have reached 185126. It's going very very slowly though. << good to hear though 1694393;1501994365;mod6;I'd like to get to the bottom of this! 1694394;1501994431;mod6;Second, I'm not sure how you want to make a Cuntoo out of BSD... we should revisit that later. 1694395;1501994764;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8559&pr=1 << And it comes FOR the darkness too 1694396;1501994798;mod6;Also, this is a non-deterministic problem, which adds to the frustration. You have a good candidate machine, it seems, to help get this resolved though. I'll dig through your logs a bot. 1694397;1501994802;mod6;*bit 1694398;1501994914;BingoBoingo;And pest control http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8560&pr=1 1694399;1501994994;mod6;This looks like exactly what we've seen before, where 168`000 was accepted just fine: 1694400;1501994997;mod6;received block 000000000000099e61ea 1694401;1501995000;mod6;SetBestChain: new best=000000000000099e61ea height=168000 work=243835201642261706754 1694402;1501995003;mod6;ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED 1694403;1501995006;mod6;---------- 1694404;1501995025;mod6;received block 0000000000000a40136b 1694405;1501995025;mod6;ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed 1694406;1501995025;mod6;InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 work=243841112905690411140 1694407;1501995044;mod6;etc. 1694408;1501995113;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-23#1210236 << I remember that we disagree even as to which block is the problem. 1694409;1501995113;a111;Logged on 2015-07-23 02:37 asciilifeform: neh that's not 168001 1694410;1501995714;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D52C50A0034280ED5F7890F98B6FE38938611B865FF565FE70C268FD2A860520 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1144...3737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.174 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HE) 1694411;1501995714;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D52C50A0034280ED5F7890F98B6FE38938611B865FF565FE70C268FD2A860520 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1275...9587 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.174 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HE) 1694412;1501995936;mod6;here's the tx in question, exists in block 168`001: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/In853/?raw=true 1694413;1501995961;*;mircea_popescu waves 1694414;1501996104;BingoBoingo;Hola 1694415;1501996136;mod6;evenin' 1694416;1501996174;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1694417;1501996220;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/4272e27dda08f699fe4746a7a18ac902/tumblr_o371mz3kLQ1tvy3cwo1_500.gif ; mostly quoted for the sledgehammer. 1694418;1501996294;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694192 << isn't he adorbs when he drinks tho! 1694419;1501996294;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 09:18 phf: kiss from a rose … this is tmsr radio! i'm waiting from your calls. 1694420;1501996337;mod6;gifs++ 1694421;1501996367;mircea_popescu;lel 1694422;1501996415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694227 << lol what tales from the crypts are these! 1694423;1501996415;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 19:15 asciilifeform: midnight/'fish' dun work with the heathen shell either, i end up having to tar up whatevers and sftp'em in/out , takes 100x as long 1694424;1501996423;*;mircea_popescu hasn't looked at the bsds in years. 1694425;1501996493;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694247 << lmao. alfie alfie... 1694426;1501996493;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 19:27 phf: that memory is incorrect, the correct memory would be of ~you~ barfing at the then suggestion of supporting bsd :> 1694427;1501996631;mod6;also a while back guruvan brought up the fact that when BIP 16 (P2SH) was put in was in or around this block? maybe this block exactly (need to confirm still). But if you decode these: 1694428;1501996777;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jAbXo/?raw=true 1694429;1501996814;mod6;Perhaps this is something related to trying to handle the P2SH. Unsure at this point, but worth a look. 1694430;1501997401;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694264 << pretty impressive design, imo. definitely overkill for the originally contemplate usecase, which is the right way to go from experience, usecases balloon in bitcoin. 1694431;1501997401;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 20:09 deedbot: http://trinque.org/2017/08/05/otp-bot-services/ << trinque - Towards a Reliable OTP Mechanism for Bot Services 1694432;1501997790;mircea_popescu;trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which 1694433;1501997790;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 18:57 mircea_popescu: trinque can always hash any item that is long to check for conformity in audits. 1694434;1501997790;mircea_popescu; relays hash(it) to T and L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and reveals (C) to L. L calculates hash(OTP) and compares it with what D sent." 1694435;1501997841;mircea_popescu;this way L only knows C after T made a decision ; D only knows a C-candiate once user made a reply ; T never knows C-candidate. 1694436;1501998459;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694272 << you've looked at these neh ? it's a very strict format, first line the command, 2nd line the otp. what last year's codes fits this format ? 1694437;1501998459;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 20:26 asciilifeform: what's there to inspect ? 1694438;1501998922;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694341 << the method is correct, but entirely unjustified effort for the possible payoff. nodes wedge because legacy bitcoin is shit, this sort of chrome polishing you propose is to be reserved for actually written code imo. 1694439;1501998922;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 03:43 phf: you replay to 167998, you then let it run till 168000 on the network. if it doesn't wedge with that setup, than you have two possibilities. it is either a heisenbug, or you need to replay to an earlier block, say 167000 and let that run on the wild network, etc. 1694440;1501999785;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1694441;1501999803;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3215.96, vol: 13865.65496821 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3223.6, vol: 33880.2826341 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3205.303486, vol: 19222.34260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3215.649, vol: 9597.81464781 | Volume-weighted last average: 3216.62631681 1694442;1501999813;BingoBoingo;Such crashing 1694443;1502000974;BingoBoingo;Way behind the times. The hunnit dolla prollem solva https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/719005259/redirect 1694444;1502001471;BingoBoingo;El regresa http://qntra.net/2017/08/us-dollar-hits-new-all-time-lows-against-bitcoin/#comment-107009 1694445;1502002411;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694347 << the problem seems entirely like slow node struggliong with lengthy orphan chain. 1694446;1502002411;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 03:56 asciilifeform: phf, mod6 , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/168k.txt.tar.gz << log 1694447;1502002417;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694380 << there's no "we fixed X" outside of a rewritten p2p model. what exactly are you going to fix ? orphan chain reorgs take a lot of db resources as it is now. 1694448;1502002417;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 04:21 asciilifeform: see, it may seem to mod6 that asciilifeform is simply being difficult, whereas what asciilifeform found was that WE NEVER ACTUALLY FIXED 168K 1694449;1502002520;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694393 << it's most likely deep in the bowels of bsd-bdb interactions. 1694450;1502002520;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 04:39 mod6: I'd like to get to the bottom of this! 1694451;1502002727;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know that's pretty broken spanish even for my low standards, 1694452;1502002754;BingoBoingo;When have trolls used any language with fluency? 1694453;1502002765;mircea_popescu;it does happen! 1694454;1502002787;BingoBoingo;When that happens it's not trolling! It's literate discourse! 1694455;1502002862;BingoBoingo;"All your base are belong to us" << Trolling 1694456;1502002871;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/salon-kitty-and-lempire-des-sens/ << Trilema - Salon Kitty and L'Empire des sens 1694457;1502002880;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : kathy keeton treated her breast cancer with hydrazine sulphate, an idea she got reading penthouse (which she published) 1694458;1502002913;BingoBoingo;"We captured your citadel and taken your women into bondage. They have celebrated rather than lamented the evolution of their situation" << Discourse 1694459;1502002927;mircea_popescu;hey nb, where's that from ? 1694460;1502002959;BingoBoingo;Which sample? 1694461;1502003164;BingoBoingo;Trolling example is from meme, Discourse example is taken from a June 2021 Qntra piece 1694462;1502003171;mircea_popescu;ah. 1694463;1502003283;BingoBoingo;Meme is title of that particular Qntra piece 1694464;1502003659;BingoBoingo;In other news Trump is pushing an immigration bill that would institute a point system with major points for speaking English. This is bullish for pinays. 1694465;1502003694;mircea_popescu;more ladyboys less plumbers ? sounds like teh swamp's drainin'. 1694466;1502003816;BingoBoingo;http://ask.metafilter.com/284756/Do-kids-still-play-a-game-they-call-smear-the-queer 1694467;1502003817;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw yuou ever saw expresso bongo ? 1694468;1502003830;BingoBoingo;Not to my recollection 1694469;1502003845;mircea_popescu;vaguel about 1950s music industry. 1694470;1502003978;*;BingoBoingo pencils it into "to see" list, has something of an allergy to musical theater genre 1694471;1502004004;mircea_popescu;a then prolly not. 1694472;1502004010;BingoBoingo;Ah 1694473;1502004248;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep 1694474;1502004391;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1694475;1502004392;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 479309 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 498 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 22 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1694476;1502024041;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694445 << except that this node beat the living shit out of dulap previous 2 yrs, speedwise, because ssd. 1694477;1502024041;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 06:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694347 << the problem seems entirely like slow node struggliong with lengthy orphan chain. 1694478;1502024312;asciilifeform;anyway if you actually read the log, would see sig verify failing repeatedly. 1694479;1502024415;asciilifeform;( the debuglog, specifically ) 1694480;1502027369;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aOYWq/?raw=true 1694481;1502027370;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1694482;1502031054;BingoBoingo;What openssl version does ToasterBSD use? 1694483;1502031171;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: stator's !! 1694484;1502031187;asciilifeform;it's a stator build 1694485;1502031198;asciilifeform;dun matter worth a lick what system has 1694486;1502031270;asciilifeform;i still gonna saw open the elf & see if inside is what's expected 1694487;1502031298;asciilifeform;because otherwise it is wtf martian ???. 1694488;1502031889;BingoBoingo;Well, does it bleed green? 1694489;1502031893;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/legacy-senate-gop-leader-to-america-at-least-hillary-clinton-isnt-president/ << Qntra - Legacy Senate GOP Leader To America: "At Least Hillary Clinton Isn't President" 1694490;1502032756;trinque; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694394 << portage will sit down on BSD. I plopped it onto openbsd sometime earlier this year. 1694491;1502032756;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 04:40 mod6: Second, I'm not sure how you want to make a Cuntoo out of BSD... we should revisit that later. 1694492;1502033196;trinque;in theory, the "profile" mechanism would allow for a tmsr ebuild tree that could build on multiple chosen platforms. 1694493;1502033399;asciilifeform;trinque: aha! 1694494;1502033459;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al : to be very specific, the wedged box is running a press of mod6's 0.5.4-release, with the only change being phf's bsd patch linked yesterday. 1694495;1502033460;mircea_popescu;phf can you add a refby:name to logotron search ? it'd be equivalent to from:mircea "btcbase.org/log" but list the values rather than the references. 1694496;1502033506;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aite, leaving it be then. 1694497;1502033572;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694478 << i did read the log you pasted. 1694498;1502033572;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 12:58 asciilifeform: anyway if you actually read the log, would see sig verify failing repeatedly. 1694499;1502033601;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly i oughta elaborate. sig verify is a blocking process, it doesn't timeoutfail 1694500;1502033611;asciilifeform;( which i thought was mircea_popescu's implication earlier ) 1694501;1502033612;mircea_popescu;oh 1694502;1502033622;mircea_popescu;see, cuz that's why i said "slow box". cpu starved. 1694503;1502033647;asciilifeform;wouldn't result in failed sigverify 1694504;1502033651;mircea_popescu;this failure mode exists, where node spends forever unable to distinguish between orphaned chain, because can't ever get to where it actually verifies a sig. 1694505;1502033677;asciilifeform;this specimen tries to verify and fails, then consequently unwinds the reorg back 1694506;1502033680;mircea_popescu;but if you say this isn't what's getting your fanless box... 1694507;1502033682;asciilifeform;again an' again 1694508;1502033692;mircea_popescu;the txn linked though isn't one of the usual suspects. 1694509;1502033703;mircea_popescu;in that it doesn't have >1k ins/outs script elements 1694510;1502033730;mircea_popescu;and besides, it does verify in vitro. 1694511;1502033740;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694350 << the magic moment that repeats 4evah 1694512;1502033740;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 04:09 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GWzyh/?raw=true << the pattern, in short. 1694513;1502033791;asciilifeform;2c2314f353 . 1694514;1502033864;asciilifeform;i dun think it is anything to do with that tx per se -- it is the drop that overflowed the barrel in pre-dblockspatch trb 1694515;1502033876;asciilifeform;this thing behaves precisely like trb sans locks patch, i think 1694516;1502033899;mircea_popescu;i don't specifically recall 168000-168002 being a heavy load in that sense 1694517;1502033904;*;asciilifeform did go back and verify that in fact it has the locks patch and is indeed mod6's release + phfpatch -- rather than asciilifeform's mistake 1694518;1502033917;asciilifeform;!#s 168000 1694519;1502033918;a111;30 results for "168000", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=168000 1694520;1502033944;mircea_popescu;anyway, 168k is very old, iirc 2011 1694521;1502033947;asciilifeform;aha 1694522;1502033962;asciilifeform;and there's a history of trb nodes of various types perma-wedging there 1694523;1502033977;asciilifeform;but in so far as i can see, no satisfactory explanation 1694524;1502034039;asciilifeform;i've ruled out oom, also 1694525;1502034065;asciilifeform;disk is a brand-new and very spiffy half TB samsung 'evo' sdd 1694526;1502034071;shinohai;Meanwhile, at the "Bitcoin Cash" labs: https://github.com/fyookball/electrum/issues/6#issuecomment-319662093 1694527;1502034101;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's see some details. main chain block 168000 is 000000000000099e61ea72015e79632f216fe6cb33d7899acb35b75c8303b763 mined 2012-2-22 at 21:31 ; size 7.1kb 1694528;1502034135;asciilifeform;168000 got eaten happily 1694529;1502034141;mircea_popescu;main chain block 168001 is 0000000000000a40136ba56d6b514769534831e9ba805fef4d122f6c8d6da51c 21.2kb 1694530;1502034150;mircea_popescu;in 60 txn 1694531;1502034185;mircea_popescu;and finally 168002 is 0000000000000a08f0e6aa70d9f8b990c48c2d48c577393c73b9acb9a55d12cb also 28.6kb long, 61 txn 1694532;1502034201;mircea_popescu;none of these are problematic in either the "new boltons to protocol" p2sh sense or size sense. 1694533;1502034239;asciilifeform;yeah i didnt think so 1694534;1502034253;asciilifeform;just happens to be the straw that breaks camel's back 1694535;1502034280;asciilifeform;probably bdb camel 1694536;1502034286;mircea_popescu;largest tx in 2 is 3854 b ; in 1 1519b 1694537;1502034309;asciilifeform;betcha it ignores maxlocks setting when built on bsd. 1694538;1502034320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform these are too small for that to be touched. 1694539;1502034331;asciilifeform;the sum, the sum of them 1694540;1502034336;asciilifeform;not the tx individually. 1694541;1502034340;mircea_popescu;historically the problem is "o noes, orphan chain", but i have nfi who would be owning or propagating orphan chains at that height. 1694542;1502034349;mircea_popescu;i mean what, they kept 5 years of history ? 1694543;1502034358;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure, wai not 1694544;1502034361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait, the sum of what ? 1694545;1502034365;asciilifeform;i wouldn't put it past anybody, to do anything 1694546;1502034377;mircea_popescu;lol yeah, well, i would put it past "people themselves" to keep archives. 1694547;1502034383;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: total db index mass at that point in the sync 1694548;1502034412;mircea_popescu;you understand the lock thing refers mostly to handling reorgs, it isn't historical count or anything. 1694549;1502034443;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is just poorly written allocates a potentially infinite number of locks as part of handling the last block. 1694550;1502034444;asciilifeform;i will readily admit that i dun have a proper model of how bdb liquishit works 1694551;1502034490;mircea_popescu;anyway, i quoted the blocks by hash so you can check if those are the ones you're struggling with, as opposed to magicalorphans. 1694552;1502034497;asciilifeform;and people who write db systems with locking, period, oughta be rendered for soap 1694553;1502034510;mircea_popescu;what, no more semaphores in computing ? 1694554;1502034524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i already walked the blox on the node in question, found 0 peculiar orphans 1694555;1502034531;mircea_popescu;aite.\ 1694556;1502034534;asciilifeform;i oughta have put this on record yea 1694557;1502034551;*;mircea_popescu believes. 1694558;1502034557;asciilifeform;and while we're on subj , semaphores/locks come from broken algos which in turn come from idiot arch 1694559;1502034577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that'll be the day, free traffic on the supermation inforhighway... 1694560;1502034938;asciilifeform;the correct world is 'dataflow' (see logz) where every op signals output-ready, and no op proceeds until all inputs signal same. 1694561;1502034948;asciilifeform;but this is whole own thread. 1694562;1502035030;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1694563;1502035043;mircea_popescu;amusingly, that'd prolly how comps would work if women made them originally. 1694564;1502035247;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in mittengrabben & gerutestossen, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1d65a3f771e1e5f70c2e1245f06ba8b7/tumblr_nyun9w9LfE1v0tfieo1_500.gif 1694565;1502036409;mircea_popescu;how's lyf been treatin' ya mats 1694566;1502036734;mats;notbad, went out on a boat yesterday n thinking about whether to go to a casino to play holdem 1694567;1502036781;mats;can't beat that on-site experience, secondhand smoke and all 1694568;1502036820;mats;and you? 1694569;1502036863;mircea_popescu;not bad at all. 1694570;1502036874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1srcg/?raw=true 1694571;1502036930;mircea_popescu;mats i tried to go play at local casino. dumped my chips half hour in because i got this unbearable feeling im at a florida retirement home playing canasta with the inmates. 1694572;1502037019;mircea_popescu;reason #5498509865409 to despise herdemocracy, "peace and human rights" bullshit : it makes poker games indistinguishable from mahjong. 1694573;1502037080;mats;i don't follow at all 1694574;1502037112;mats;costa rican poker is played by... retirees? and they're no good? 1694575;1502037145;mircea_popescu;they're mediocre, neither amazing nor terrible. but they're old, and stupid, and lazy. and not the sort of person i want to be around at all. 1694576;1502037204;mats;yeah, that sucks. i go to casinos because i enjoy the idea of robbing tourists, retirees, and chumps 1694577;1502037289;mircea_popescu;if you rob them worth a coupla hundred an hour, which is probably an overstatement, you'd make about the same as a silicon valley "engineer". 1694578;1502037302;mats;its a fantasy ofc, everybody catches a bad beat sooner or later - but on a good day over ten hours i might hit 25-30/hr 1694579;1502037354;mircea_popescu;mats and if you live to be 60 doing this, you'll look back on a life of tedium. 1694580;1502037356;mats;i believe even top-tier pros struggle to do 50/hr consistently just grinding games - the real money is in tournaments 1694581;1502037373;mircea_popescu;actually, the real money is in doing something else. the real sluts, the real errythings too. 1694582;1502037459;mats;hmm, yes, adacryptopoker 1694583;1502037476;mircea_popescu;at some past glory age poker was, at least mythically, the way to actually sit at the same table with people who matter, and thereby actually have some sort of access to the meaning of the world. these days... 1694584;1502037487;mircea_popescu;strikes me as too close to "social worker" for comfort. 1694585;1502037513;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's just me, didn't mean to gloom & doom. 1694586;1502037752;mircea_popescu;!~calc 81600 / 2087 1694587;1502037753;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 81600 / 2087 = 39.0991854336368 1694588;1502037755;mats;https://www.rt.com/news/397724-israeli-stink-bombs-india 1694589;1502037780;mircea_popescu;(official numbers -- 81.6k is the average salary for sv intern, apparently ; 2087 the yearly work hours). turns out they make 40 bux. 1694590;1502037894;mats;thats not very good after COLA. 1k/mo for two people to share 1bed apt in e.g. santa clara 1694591;1502037935;mircea_popescu;true ; casino life's not much cheaper though. 1694592;1502037946;mats;public transportation is GRIDS in sv, at least the san jose area, so... tack on car ownership costs too 1694593;1502037951;mircea_popescu;lmao i was thinking, since when the fuck do indians care about stench. 1694594;1502037999;mircea_popescu;mats yes, but intern can then progress to independent contractor / work for self and cut the costs to 0. this is what say 5 years' experience buys you. 5 years' experience in the casino buys you jack. 1694595;1502038077;mats;i can see that 1694596;1502038091;mircea_popescu;it's just not the 20s anymoar. 1694597;1502038260;mircea_popescu;(this point, in either "intern can progress" or "sit in forum and access meaning" presentation, is the fundamental mechanism of both "rounders" and that "poolhall junkies" cheapo rehack of it : that the dude playing can decide the girl's future, a degree of magnitude above her own capacity. take that away -- it's not worth doing. and you sure as fuck ain't meeting the head of ny law firm socially, and play $X with him so he g 1694598;1502038260;mircea_popescu;ives the slut a career) 1694599;1502038309;mircea_popescu;but that was the glamor : "honey, you don't suck cock because you can't, not because you don't want to ; but even if you sucked cock, and even if you were extremely good at it, it'd still take you months to manage what i can do overnight if i fucking feel like it". 1694600;1502039640;mats;in other news, there are killer intl air fare deals this year 1694601;1502039664;mircea_popescu;speaking of "GRIDS", here's a very typical, and very unwittingly amusing offering : http://humantransit.org/2010/02/the-power-and-pleasure-of-grids.html 1694602;1502039671;mats;found a $500, one stop, round-trip ticket to beijing from boston 1694603;1502039681;mircea_popescu;mats going ? 1694604;1502039705;mats;during thanksgiving though. haven't decided yet 1694605;1502039755;mircea_popescu;ask the author, or generally any "city planner" what are the wrong assumptions they hid in the nonsense ? they'll look at you like you're from mars. yet... 1. all people = all other people. there's exactly 0 concept of social hierarch. 2. all people == spherical cpus in a vacuum. really bitch, i'll keep track of your stupid grids, and CONNECT ? i'm not fucking connecting lol, wtf do i care where the bus is at. 1694606;1502039806;mircea_popescu;"if all people were perfectly attentive, perfectly intelligent and perfectly dedicated to the task of making our plan work ; and if they were perfectly equal and perfectly convinced we should be telling them what to do in detail ; THEN here's a solution to a problem!" 1694607;1502039874;mats;heh, i wrote GRIDS but really meant AIDS 1694608;1502039887;mircea_popescu;lol! 1694609;1502039976;mats;theres not really any kinda grid layout in sj, and bus routes are so awful that many employees take shuttles staged in the morning at local grocery store parking lot 1694610;1502040003;mircea_popescu;there's 0 way to have functional transportation in a city of aspies. 1694611;1502040033;mircea_popescu;their problem is that they all think they're important. such people can not transport ; they must stay put. 1694612;1502040047;mircea_popescu;hence the whole "work from home" craze. 1694613;1502040070;mircea_popescu;at home, yes every single last one dork out of the 20mn can think himself overpoweringly important. at least until the broadband craps out. 1694614;1502040209;mats;http://sfist.com/2015/12/21/facebook_offers_employees_10k_incen.php unreal 1694615;1502040226;mircea_popescu;aha. exactly it! 1694616;1502040297;mircea_popescu;1920s waitress would live in whatever accomodations she could find within walking distance of her bar ; and go to downtown like every other weekend and think this a major, awesome accomplishment. but 2020s waitress (aka "software engineer") exepcts to be able to travel all over the city each day. what, he's from brooklyn ? that shouldn't mean he can't work in the lower east side, what's he, some kind of slave ?!?! 1694617;1502040450;mircea_popescu;and this is just you know, high level executives aka waitresses. if you look at 1920s rank and file, they lived in dorms within the textile mill complex. kinda like universities today, except you know, 30 to the room and with hall monitors turning off the lights at 8:30. 1694618;1502040490;mats;i look forward to seeing 'hyperloop' in production, this should accelerate the death of vast road networks in usa 1694619;1502040535;mircea_popescu;it's really a remake of the french tgv neh ? 1694620;1502040551;mircea_popescu;(itself a remake of japanese equivs.) worked remarkably well at home. 1694621;1502040627;mats;yes, top claimed speed for hyperloop is about twice top french tgv speed 1694622;1502040656;mircea_popescu;in any case they're not making the la to sf item for the quoted 5 to 15bn. boston's big dig, a project a degree of mangnitude smaller, ended up costing well over a trillion, and this is 1999 dollars. also taking five x the time, but we leave that ot the side. 1694623;1502040685;mats;putting it in production will test the massively inflated suburban and urban property values 1694624;1502040706;mircea_popescu;so i wouldn't worry -- the only way this happens is if the chinese do a us-equivalent of their plan to colonize europe, and front the coupla trillion needed. 1694625;1502040713;mats;so that boston real estate looks more like... tokyo real estate 1694626;1502040787;mircea_popescu;wait i thought they were doing it on west coast ? 1694627;1502040792;mircea_popescu;there's an east coast variant ?! 1694628;1502040818;mircea_popescu;(there's been a long time train running boston to wash dc, reasonably fast, reasonably popular in the 80s. meanwhile gradually disused) 1694629;1502040874;mats;not actually boston because nobody apparently wants to come here (see dearth of airlines using BOS as hub) but http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538328487/elon-musk-says-he-has-verbal-ok-to-build-n-y-d-c-hyperloop 1694630;1502040887;mircea_popescu;lol. 1694631;1502040917;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what these folk are sniffing, but it must be some sort of heavily psychotropic mold infected their conference centers. 1694632;1502040939;mircea_popescu;musk doesn't have 1% of 1% of the money he needs to build such a thing. wtf already. 1694633;1502040963;mircea_popescu;the "buying russia" item was lulzy enough, but still, explainable in terms of ra ra ra. but this nonsense is simply demented. 1694634;1502040993;mats;usg has generously provided musk with truckloads of cash, so, i find it probable he's not full of shit 1694635;1502041024;mircea_popescu;the us does not have, even if it sold itself out, the cash to half-complete this. 1694636;1502041088;mircea_popescu;there's an absolute limit turkey dollars put on "tower to the moon" efforts : if you have at most 100 turkeys you can commit, printing further pictures of a turkey on paper will not help you in your effort to build the "cart driven by 101 turkeys". because the 101th physically does not exist. 1694637;1502041187;mircea_popescu;(we're not going to even go in discussions of low pressure airflow, which is a horror the wide-eyed proponents are not intellectually equipped to consider ; let's just simply talk in terms of "i can't get a plumber to fuck my wife the same week but i'll somehow get together workers willing to dig a ditch so and so long".) 1694638;1502041512;mats;hmm, TIL 'chromeOS' is a gentoo since 2010 1694639;1502041537;mircea_popescu;i had nfi it existed in 2010. 1694640;1502041610;mircea_popescu;but, usg corp "producing" item in the vein of linux with serials filed off is no surprise by now. no turkeys, no alternative. 1694641;1502041815;mats;better than ubuntu. 1694642;1502041844;mats;tesla OS is ubuntu! 1694643;1502041881;mats;looking forward to autopilot-induced crashes because some jokester taped malicious input to rear windshield 1694644;1502042204;mircea_popescu;lmao 1694645;1502042223;mircea_popescu;anyway, what was "the competitor" androidos ? centos or what ? 1694646;1502042269;mircea_popescu;and in other "young cunt attempts to escape poverty at home", http://68.media.tumblr.com/f308fbf77919f52e61a7fb30c6cb056a/tumblr_o7xrd8yjoF1s1rffco1_1280.jpg 1694647;1502049293;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694393 << it's most likely deep in the bowels of bsd-bdb interactions. << ah yeah, maybe so. I recall digging into this on the bsd side. 1694648;1502049293;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 04:39 mod6: I'd like to get to the bottom of this! 1694649;1502049304;mod6;Don't think we ever pinpointed something though. 1694650;1502049346;mod6;<+trinque> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694394 << portage will sit down on BSD. I plopped it onto openbsd sometime earlier this year. << interesting. 1694651;1502049346;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 04:40 mod6: Second, I'm not sure how you want to make a Cuntoo out of BSD... we should revisit that later. 1694652;1502049385;mod6;<+trinque> in theory, the "profile" mechanism would allow for a tmsr ebuild tree that could build on multiple chosen platforms. << this in fact, would be pretty neat. 1694653;1502049903;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694494 << did you use your vtron here? My vtron does not support bsd at this time, when we have a working trb on bsd, then will support bsd. 1694654;1502049903;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 15:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al : to be very specific, the wedged box is running a press of mod6's 0.5.4-release, with the only change being phf's bsd patch linked yesterday. 1694655;1502049998;mod6;Anyway, I'm guessing that you did. As long as you have all of the 0.5.4-RELEASE patches/seals/keys you should be fine. you could be correct about some of the alterations for locks not taking on the bsd-side. 1694656;1502051299;mircea_popescu;how goes it mod6 1694657;1502051749;mod6;good! you? 1694658;1502051769;mircea_popescu;nb! 1694659;1502051840;mircea_popescu;oh, also http://68.media.tumblr.com/f6ce3992a20cec802fdfb523cea15360/tumblr_ns63etVbER1u7fo01o1_1280.jpg 1694660;1502051921;mod6;yowza 1694661;1502051978;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the yang eastern european camp, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQMFR8nn_l8 1694662;1502052151;mod6;lol! 1694663;1502052156;mircea_popescu;ehehe 1694664;1502052367;mod6;you said this would happen too: https://www.ft.com/content/d175fc82-76a7-11e7-90c0-90a9d1bc9691 1694665;1502052388;mod6;'One broker said a mortgage-free homeowner with a house valued at £10m had taken out a fixed-rate loan of just under £2m to buy bitcoin, ...' ^ 1694666;1502053464;mircea_popescu;ha! 1694667;1502053904;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1694668;1502053922;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3261.18, vol: 6943.54177204 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3262.5, vol: 17603.87212781 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3278.491958, vol: 13429.18030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3266.324, vol: 5630.55050734 | Volume-weighted last average: 3267.70842717 1694669;1502058952;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694570 << mircea_popescu that looks great, i'ma turn the knob shortly. 1694670;1502058952;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 16:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1srcg/?raw=true 1694671;1502059201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaaaand it is done. 1694672;1502059426;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694579 << prolly still beats rotting alive in office 1694673;1502059426;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 16:35 mircea_popescu: mats and if you live to be 60 doing this, you'll look back on a life of tedium. 1694674;1502059650;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694628 << i took that train, it was respectably full 1694675;1502059650;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 17:33 mircea_popescu: (there's been a long time train running boston to wash dc, reasonably fast, reasonably popular in the 80s. meanwhile gradually disused) 1694676;1502059694;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694636 << what are they gonna run out of ? cement ? 1694677;1502059694;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 17:38 mircea_popescu: there's an absolute limit turkey dollars put on "tower to the moon" efforts : if you have at most 100 turkeys you can commit, printing further pictures of a turkey on paper will not help you in your effort to build the "cart driven by 101 turkeys". because the 101th physically does not exist. 1694678;1502059722;asciilifeform;dying empires all seem to go through a megalomaniacal-pyramidal construction phase 1694679;1502059753;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694638 << iirc i even mentioned it in the logs 1694680;1502059753;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 17:45 mats: hmm, TIL 'chromeOS' is a gentoo since 2010 1694681;1502059757;asciilifeform;#!s chromebook 1694682;1502059767;asciilifeform;!#s chromebook 1694683;1502059768;a111;27 results for "chromebook", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chromebook 1694684;1502059774;asciilifeform;^somewhere in there 1694685;1502059792;asciilifeform;at any rate 'it's a gentoo' is an almost meaningless statement -- it dun have portage 1694686;1502059828;asciilifeform;and it not merely pisses but shits on gpl, the thing cannot be turned into an actual linux, and actual linux (i.e. without massive blobage) is STILL unsolved problem on that box 1694687;1502059831;asciilifeform;mine gathers dust. 1694688;1502059923;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694653 << i did neither, but used existing press dir, from when i had pressed this on linux box 1694689;1502059923;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 20:05 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694494 << did you use your vtron here? My vtron does not support bsd at this time, when we have a working trb on bsd, then will support bsd. 1694690;1502059953;asciilifeform;( i keep pretty much every intermediate step of just about every computation i ever do, because hell knows ) 1694691;1502059990;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694665 << if it's anything like the last goxtime around, not 1 in 100 is buying ACTUAL bitcoin, but goxolade 1694692;1502059990;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 20:46 mod6: 'One broker said a mortgage-free homeowner with a house valued at £10m had taken out a fixed-rate loan of just under £2m to buy bitcoin, ...' ^ 1694693;1502060008;asciilifeform;( i.e. item where some other party holds -- or claims to hold -- the privkey ) 1694694;1502060539;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694640 << amazon's devices are internally linuxed also -- unsurprisingly 1694695;1502060539;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 17:46 mircea_popescu: but, usg corp "producing" item in the vein of linux with serials filed off is no surprise by now. no turkeys, no alternative. 1694696;1502060597;asciilifeform;( why crapple went with bsd ? partly the 'nextstep' ancestor; partly that in late 1990s it was still thought possible that gpl would have teeth ) 1694697;1502069098;mircea_popescu; !!up r0nin- 1694698;1502069099;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1694699;1502069108;r0nin-;hello 1694700;1502069117;mircea_popescu;how goes ? 1694701;1502069128;r0nin-;just curious about your latam travels? 1694702;1502069146;r0nin-;still argentina? 1694703;1502069165;mircea_popescu;nah. costa rica. 1694704;1502069182;r0nin-;any trilema articles 1694705;1502069185;r0nin-;on it 1694706;1502069196;mircea_popescu;sure, plenty, 1694707;1502069259;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694676 << same thing they ran out of in iraq/afghanistan etc. i'd say "men" but it's not really it. you could say "people" but certainly not it. you know, non-retarded, non-gender-confused etc etc human beings. 1694708;1502069259;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 22:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694636 << what are they gonna run out of ? cement ? 1694709;1502069352;r0nin-;mircea: ever going to settle down and set roots somewhere? or ever forever the jewish digital nomad 1694710;1502069376;r0nin-;whats up with libertarians always taking on jewish traits? 1694711;1502069404;r0nin-;everyone a 'wanderer' now 1694712;1502069451;mircea_popescu;i have roots everywhere. 1694713;1502069669;mircea_popescu;just because the duke of wurtenberg also holds luneburg doesn't mean he thereby isn't the lord sovereign in stuttgart anymore. he is, the people there bow to him like they always did, whatever other lands abroad he meanwhile acquired. 1694714;1502069760;mircea_popescu;so, to ask the proper question here r0nin- , what is with the spawn of herdemocracy, always trying to edge in equalitits on some level or other ? ownership is not marriage, it is ownership. whether women or lands or anything else - the sovereign above, the thing below, their relationship unequal. 1694715;1502070089;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694672 << muchly depends. if the office is the usual usian horror, and the casino floor is the item from glamour shots, with the floozies and the hookers and so on, definitely. but the casino floor can be pretty depressing, especially in fucking arkansaw. and the office can be a total insoutenable legerete de l'etre style hospital, especially in eastern europe 1990s "media" or whatever "i'm 1694716;1502070089;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 22:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694579 << prolly still beats rotting alive in office 1694717;1502070089;mircea_popescu;a young slut hear me roar" sort of environment. 1694718;1502070168;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/#selection-153.0-153.35 << fine example of worse-than-office tripot. 1694719;1502070221;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), July 2017 Statement 1694720;1502070238;mircea_popescu;^ sorry for teh delay. there's going to be a smg report next month, skipping the current. 1694721;1502070302;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694690 << republican computing seems to be migrating towards pretty much that in general. 1694722;1502070302;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 22:52 asciilifeform: ( i keep pretty much every intermediate step of just about every computation i ever do, because hell knows ) 1694723;1502070344;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694691 << hey, if there wasn't a bar to meet, how would we get rid of all the 99% useless males women keep spawning ? 1694724;1502070344;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 22:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694665 << if it's anything like the last goxtime around, not 1 in 100 is buying ACTUAL bitcoin, but goxolade 1694725;1502070508;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1694726;1502070521;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3207.1, vol: 5955.40184897 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3219.7, vol: 16571.91315873 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3187.319914, vol: 13066.43300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3227.14, vol: 5472.5686485 | Volume-weighted last average: 3208.56156797 1694727;1502070535;BingoBoingo;(((r0nin-))) Why the semetic fascination? 1694728;1502070551;mircea_popescu;what were the parantheses again ? 1694729;1502070561;BingoBoingo;Hebes 1694730;1502070572;mircea_popescu;is {{{}}} just as good ? 1694731;1502070596;BingoBoingo;Nah, {{{}}} has not yet been assigned 1694732;1502070607;mircea_popescu;also, is semetic a contraction of semen and semitic or does semantic get involved on some level ? 1694733;1502070640;BingoBoingo;Naturally, cucks gotta clean up the wife and the bull 1694734;1502070755;mircea_popescu;cue the ancient joke, "two jewish families go on vacation late august in this florida roach motel cuz it's cheaper. mid afternoon they can hear each other fucking the balabusta through the paper walls, cuz it's chepaer than going out. one yells "hey itzak, is this work or leisure ?" "leisure strul, if it were work we'd have hired the paper boy to do it." 1694735;1502070935;BingoBoingo;lol 1694736;1502071070;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB5DF17A24CDA3503B550AB9A75B6CBCEE9172D1A897B92C329402E78C7EACC3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1655...5443 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.200.250.32 (ssh-rsa key from 193.200.250.32 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DK) 1694737;1502071071;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB5DF17A24CDA3503B550AB9A75B6CBCEE9172D1A897B92C329402E78C7EACC3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1376...5683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.200.250.32 (ssh-rsa key from 193.200.250.32 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DK) 1694738;1502071146;mircea_popescu;and in other "rules to live by" : skirt always shorter than heels! 1694739;1502073977;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1694740;1502073978;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 479428 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 379 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 18 hours, 9 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1694741;1502074067;asciilifeform;phf: looks like dks is now selling... a harley 1694742;1502074231;BingoBoingo;lol 1694743;1502074721;phf;asciilifeform: seems reasonable 1694744;1502075022;phf;i mean, it's guy's personal ebay account 1694745;1502075311;phf;heh, 2015 sportster too 1694746;1502076053;asciilifeform;speaking of old harleys, looks like d00d from #bolix will trade 2 ivory cpu for 1 3620 1694747;1502076066;asciilifeform;if he ever comes to these parts. 1694748;1502076091;phf;he will, we already agreed that he's staying at my place, sometime in september 1694749;1502076098;asciilifeform;lolneato 1694750;1502076141;asciilifeform;he also wants 2nd kbd and even pile of burned out rubbish, but didn't yet suggest what he'd trade for those 1694751;1502076224;phf;i think tron has a hoarding problem, i told him as much, but he really wants to keep those 36xx running in perpetuity 1694752;1502076252;mircea_popescu;there's a substantial difference between that and a hoarding problem. 1694753;1502076257;asciilifeform;he's just the man to cure asciilifeform's hoarding 1694754;1502076263;mircea_popescu;the clinical classification specifically requires "no utility". 1694755;1502076289;asciilifeform;i was frankly disappointed when i learned he already has too many dec alpha 1694756;1502076321;BingoBoingo; heh, 2015 sportster too << Obviously didn't sell soul for enough if small sportster and not huge Electra Glide 1694757;1502076341;mircea_popescu;incidentally, since apparently we are among cold war aficionados, anyone saw "the spy who came in from the cold" ? 1694758;1502076346;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you can see sum of dks's income on usaspending.gov 1694759;1502076358;asciilifeform;under 'symbolics technologies' 1694760;1502076365;mircea_popescu;with the anglo version of alain delon (richard burton) 1694761;1502076390;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it barely suffices for harley annually 1694762;1502076429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not seen, no 1694763;1502076441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform last year reported was 2015 / 2011 ftr. 1694764;1502076460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's possibly the worst spy movie ever made. batshit ridiculous nonsense. 1694765;1502076467;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly site stopped updating 1694766;1502076491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worse than bond?! 1694767;1502076505;mircea_popescu;funded 262k personally in 2015 / 800 bucks under the corp name in 2011. 1694768;1502076505;phf;mircea_popescu: i like to make that joke, because it makes me feel better about my tiny apartment 1694769;1502076531;mircea_popescu;phf is it one of those you don't like painting because you feel the walls closing in every time ? 1694770;1502076594;mircea_popescu;(for equity should also point out the 262k in 2015 is very exceptional, dude averages sub 100k over 5 years) 1694771;1502076597;phf;i put a 2-person tent in the middle of the room and it made the room suffocating, yes 1694772;1502076624;mircea_popescu;tent in the room eh ? 1694773;1502076685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc dks still services an eternal contract with usg that runs on bolix and nuffin else. 1694774;1502076696;phf;oh i was just experimenting with a different setup, try to see what fits and how, and how big is the footprint, that sort of thing 1694775;1502076699;asciilifeform;they mostly use the alphas tho 1694776;1502076710;mircea_popescu;i am not specifically informed ; but from common business sense looking at the cashflows, that contract was terminated in 2015. 1694777;1502076725;asciilifeform;possibly 1694778;1502076748;asciilifeform;selling harley suggests it could be so... 1694779;1502076767;asciilifeform;or possibly 80+y.o. simply dun harley nomoar 1694780;1502076768;mircea_popescu;vague rumors have alphabet taking over nuke softwarizing through special subsidiary also. 1694781;1502076789;*;mircea_popescu would very much like to see the lulzpile involved. fully systemd yet ? etc. 1694782;1502076790;asciilifeform;lol!! 1694783;1502076844;asciilifeform;perfect match, madeinheaven -- the 1 system absolutely nobody will notice if rots 1694784;1502076846;mircea_popescu;(not the crap on the rockets itself ; but there's a lot of on-the-ground tracking and whatnot) 1694785;1502076862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. and the one capital acct where needed payments can be hidden. 1694786;1502076863;phf;nuke softwarizing? as in power plant software, or like electronics for bombs? 1694787;1502076880;phf;never mind answered 1694788;1502076884;mircea_popescu;:p 1694789;1502076910;asciilifeform;prolly the 'unsexy' inventory handlig etc 1694790;1502077091;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the locker room, http://68.media.tumblr.com/99a7ee9d3bf85ee0839c3e21c5e31e40/tumblr_o7zrd4OWXu1r4y8dbo1_1280.jpg 1694791;1502077173;asciilifeform;lolwtf is that tatoo 1694792;1502077199;mircea_popescu;i confess i never understood the tattoo bs. 1694793;1502077259;mircea_popescu;if you're not a fucking tribal hunter spending your time in pelts on horseback throwing spears ; if you're not a jailbird of the "jail -- only home" persuasion ; if you're not of any of the other few categories wtf are you thinking. 1694794;1502077285;mircea_popescu;stupid girly with stocking ribbons tattooed mid thigh. "why, you figured you'll never live to afford stockings ?" "uhmmm". 1694795;1502077354;asciilifeform;dunno, the rsaperl-cum-'i am a munition' tat was almost cool 1694796;1502077372;asciilifeform;( but did it exist? or myth ) 1694797;1502077439;mircea_popescu;stupid nobody chasing an identity that's specifically not-him, like in https://archive.is/leynq#selection-313.1062-313.1239 1694798;1502077465;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, see, thats very specifically what i mean. oh, "She's a munition" ? what context is it in. woman is on the toilet taking a crap. is she a munition ? is it cool ? 1694799;1502077489;asciilifeform;mno the rsa one, in '90s 1694800;1502077495;mircea_popescu;doing something on the basis of "it'll be cook for 12 seconds the first time someone sees me and once in 7 months at a party" is very dumb in that it neglects the other 99.99% of the context. 1694801;1502077500;asciilifeform;had working perl rsa 1694802;1502077503;mircea_popescu;so ? 1694803;1502077522;asciilifeform;and iirc was some d00d's forehead 1694804;1502077522;mircea_popescu;this is my point : if you are a tribal hunter, you are a tribal hunter all day long. if you're vory, you're the fucking stars. fine. 1694805;1502077531;mircea_popescu;but if you're some office plankton there's no tattoo thart can possibly fit. 1694806;1502077541;mircea_popescu;hence the problem with the mid thigh ribbons. 1694807;1502077585;mircea_popescu;the "im a munition" woman was going to actually be a munition MAYBE once, ever. 1694808;1502077594;mircea_popescu;otherwise, she was going to be a confused ditz. 1694809;1502077612;asciilifeform;i met people with horrid tat who made it specifically to close off life of being office plankton 1694810;1502077622;mircea_popescu;i suppose. 1694811;1502077623;asciilifeform;so possibly even this has a use. 1694812;1502077637;mircea_popescu;but this is again the fundamental problem : it;s not a matter of "use". 1694813;1502077654;mircea_popescu;the "use" of symbolic / ritual behaviour is an attempt of primitive mind to translate for roman faggot. 1694814;1502077662;mircea_popescu;she isn't going to BE the fucking thing. 1694815;1502077670;asciilifeform;noshit 1694816;1502077677;mircea_popescu;well so then it's going to be ridiculous, what. 1694817;1502077691;mircea_popescu;most of the time, the item will only serve to prove that she's not what she thought she might be. 1694818;1502077711;mircea_popescu;because she's a use aka gnoseology and tattos are a being aka ontology. and these do not meet. 1694819;1502077746;asciilifeform;the 'munition' thing was possible exception : in the clinton-era statutes, a body with rsa perl ~was~ counted 'munition' 1694820;1502077753;mircea_popescu;by whom ? 1694821;1502077761;asciilifeform;state dept 1694822;1502077766;mircea_popescu;was she going to be a munition living among the brazillians ? 1694823;1502077783;mircea_popescu;cuz ak round is munition even in africa. 1694824;1502077793;asciilifeform;idea was to troll the border guards in usa 1694825;1502077800;mircea_popescu;no, i get the idea. 1694826;1502077809;asciilifeform;obviously didnt work 1694827;1502077819;mircea_popescu;the problem with this idea is that person spends 1 ppm if that doing the item ; and rest of 999`999 ppm doing something incompatible. 1694828;1502077848;mircea_popescu;and this is the fundamental point here : white slut of contemporary does so many incompatible things she can't be meaningfully tattooed. 1694829;1502077853;asciilifeform;no different than , e.g., impregnations 1694830;1502077860;mircea_popescu;many uses, no specific identity. any attempt can end in involuntary humor and naught else. 1694831;1502077877;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for "career women" trying to "balance it" and so on ? yes, no different. 1694832;1502078284;mircea_popescu;the ~only even vaguely possible wester-contemporary-tattoo is of course http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-15#1102059 ; but not even this works, because why the fuck are you getting a IANA for it. however you turn this, tattoos dun work in modern world. 1694833;1502078284;a111;Logged on 2015-04-15 16:50 gribble: The Slave Register - Master/slave, O&P, SLRN, certificates: ; TSR: Registration Numbers - The Slave Register: ; TSR: Registration How To? - The Slave Register: 1694834;1502078297;phf;it's funny because by the time tattoo crazy started there was already enough old people with tattoos that both had the almost uniform "i made terrible mistakes" attitude and very much were self-evident personification of the sentiment. and then i guess there was a new generation planning on never getting old (or changing in any way) 1694835;1502078333;mircea_popescu;and the reason they don't work is very strictly related to "freedom" and you know, consumer market segmentation. as long as there's no universally meaningfull root there can't possibly be meaningful tribal behaviour ; and if there is such a root there can't be democracy. 1694836;1502078401;mircea_popescu;phf anglotard youths are not allowed to fuck their elders, and consequently anglo culture is impossible ; and there can never be such a thing as an anglo nation. 1694837;1502078417;mircea_popescu;which is why they keep trying to "empire" instead. except empire dun work just because you need it to. 1694838;1502078486;mircea_popescu;very vaguely related : one of the few romanians worth the mention, mocking romanian ows translation : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoXT0H-Kzsw 1694839;1502078761;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/accessories/ 1694840;1502078859;mircea_popescu;anyway. the tattoo situation (me asking girly "why haven't you yet figured out a tattoo that works to put on yourself!!!") is very much like me asking alf "where is the proper computer!!!". the complexities involved in making sense of the immense jumble that modern world puts at disposal are exponential on the base, and the base grew exponential on time. we'll, likely, never catch up. yes ppls 5k years ago could lick every in 1694841;1502078859;mircea_popescu;dividual lego piece and make the "tallest pyramid" with the half dozen items available to them. there's uncounted items available today, what fucking X-property-deductively-proven item. 1694842;1502079043;phf;what you need is a glass bead tattoo, a hypothetical multidisciplinary meditative practice that culminates in a tattoo that fully encompasses the complexity of modernity and that the practitioner can apply to himself before finally retiring from the public sphere 1694843;1502079063;mircea_popescu;i don't see why they'd retire. 1694844;1502079097;mircea_popescu;(rather : the proposition that they thereby must ascend to nirvana / retire / disappear in a loud pop and the laws of the universe becoming more complex is very much a symptom of teh problem!) 1694845;1502079131;asciilifeform;phf: i inevitably think of the automummificators, reading this 1694846;1502079142;mircea_popescu;the jap xtian thing ? 1694847;1502079144;BingoBoingo;Nah, need living gecko skin skinwrap. Maintain just enough life in each skin for it to function as a pixel 1694848;1502079157;phf;i ran out of the thought half way through and hoped you wouldn't notice, but it's not even consistent with the narrative that i was ripping from. in the original after they make the tattoo they are now ready for the highest office, etc. 1694849;1502079187;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they're fabulous, the little shits. you know they actually change color, BUT NOT in the "oh, i have an ipad, i get how this works" thing ? they're not gonna display fucking sluts on their backs. but it CLEARLY works for the purpose (camouflage) shockingly well. 1694850;1502079199;mircea_popescu;phf no, they are adults. 1694851;1502079217;mircea_popescu;this is what it is : you get your stars, you are now an adult, protected by the storied item as all adults. 1694852;1502079226;mircea_popescu;and expected to follow and impart the law and so on. 1694853;1502079227;phf;hmm hmm 1694854;1502079284;*;asciilifeform wonders re resolution of gecko 1694855;1502079299;mircea_popescu;goes right into that discussion of "god's church body", http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/ 1694856;1502079325;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's the thing, it's not measurable! certainly not pixel resolution. it has a bizarre sort of say pre-compressed multi-cell-linked sort of resolution. 1694857;1502079352;mircea_popescu;ie, "for its purpose" it has easily > 10mn dpi. but for your purpose, i doubt it has a functional .2 dpi. 1694858;1502079361;mircea_popescu;it's not a general purpose screen. 1694859;1502079371;mircea_popescu;(i confess i've been studying fucking geckos.) 1694860;1502079396;*;BingoBoingo proposing horror show sorta creation like remote controlled cockroach, but on bigger scale. Perhaps less adorable color change lizard would make better candidate. 1694861;1502079402;BingoBoingo;How is Fna anyways? 1694862;1502079440;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he slid over the floor at the rate and in the manner of a tiny tumbleweed being blown by wind a coupla days ago. i jumped up because wtf, tiny tumbleweeds blown by wind ??!?! 1694863;1502079443;mircea_popescu;this is the sort of shit they do. 1694864;1502079472;phf;would it be appropriate if slightly simplified for, say, knuth to get a algorithms/computation tattoo? 1694865;1502079497;mircea_popescu;not just the animals, either. the people are SO FUCKING SUSPICIOUS if they lived in lafond's own they'd be shot like twice a week just "on general principle" to borrow a tarantinoism. and utterly unaware of it, also. 1694866;1502079512;mircea_popescu;phf no. because how does he reconcile it with literate programming ? 1694867;1502079547;mircea_popescu;this is the problem -- we do SO MANY things. "oh i'm a father and an employee of the month", says the office plankton. well... also a consumer, and a sayer of VERY finely tuned nonsense. wut now. 1694868;1502079618;mircea_popescu;leaving alone that none of the things are anything but time-compatible : they're not mutually meaningful in any meaningful way. 1694869;1502079668;mircea_popescu;"the more things there are to be, the fewer beings you will have". eventually that reaches 0 and that's that. 1694870;1502079746;phf;hmm 1694871;1502080048;mircea_popescu;phf did you live through soviet long enough to know the 10yo fixed-form composition ? 1694872;1502080086;mircea_popescu;like, say, the vacation page ? wit hthe "goodbye so and so landmark" closer sentence ? 1694873;1502080138;phf;i'm not sure, i went to "humanities special school" it's possible they didn't torture us with such nonsense 1694874;1502080205;BingoBoingo;In other his-stories http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/ 1694875;1502080207;mircea_popescu;but see, that's not at all the point. for one thing : all scholarship is nonsense. for the other, soviet school si entirely propaganda, which is to say "prepare organ donors for a certain way of life". the fucking point of the fixed form 3rd/4th grade composition is to allow the submarginal intellects making up the bulk of the population to tattoo their brains into a form that'll then allow them to survive, as traffic agents 1694876;1502080207;mircea_popescu;writing up an incident report or whatever else in this manner. 1694877;1502080240;mircea_popescu;soviet is very instructive for the anthropologist because it is roughly speaking "summarized early modern". 1694878;1502080251;mircea_popescu;allows comparison of the item with its summary for maximal comprehension. 1694879;1502080330;mircea_popescu;and the story it tells is that cca 1950 soviet / 1800 western world, it was already impossible to produce meaningful tattoos due to growing complexity. 1694880;1502080382;mircea_popescu;substitute tattoo of wooden tongue was employed in soviet world, to the amusement of early postmoderns in the west. 1694881;1502080460;BingoBoingo; writing up an incident report or whatever else in this manner. << US has similar "5 paragraph essay" format used on standardized tests through High School 1694882;1502080516;mircea_popescu;i'm aware. complexity in us world has been dropping abruptly in mainstream terms. teh people can no longer support an actually deliberative senate. 1694883;1502080566;mircea_popescu;strangely, the us version is a lot less endearing, perhaps in that it so carefully avoids appearing naive to itself. 1694884;1502080589;*;BingoBoingo first remembers encountering "5 paragraph" in 1992 at age of 8 in third grade 1694885;1502080604;mircea_popescu;recount this. what's the rules for the construction of the item ? 1694886;1502080608;phf;perhaps it's because it doesn't come with a high pitched, clear voice of a true pioneer singing about rodina 1694887;1502080722;BingoBoingo;[1] Thesis, introduce points 1, 2, and 3 [2] Elaborate Point 1 [3] Elaborate Point 2 [4] Elaborate Point 3 [5] Conclusion, i.e. repeat thesis and reiterate points 1, 2, and 3 1694888;1502080733;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo any fixed forms ? 1694889;1502080753;mircea_popescu;(and yes, of course this is the ancient papal legate rulebook for message composition.) 1694890;1502080756;BingoBoingo;Fixed forms in what way? 1694891;1502080776;mircea_popescu;in the way of "la revedere, gara din pascani!" ie, "goodbye, train station of pascani!" 1694892;1502080810;BingoBoingo;Students were not trusted with commas until 8th grade. Sometimes until High School. 1694893;1502080813;mircea_popescu;in the way of "in our democracy" and "rights of all people" and so on. it's emergent in teh anglo. 1694894;1502080820;BingoBoingo;Ah, yeah 1694895;1502080862;mircea_popescu;"Ce frumoasa este iarna!" ie, "how beautiful $item is!". early, cheap, typewriter-and-indigo-paper powered shanonizing. fill in these blanks, and memorize the template they go into. 1694896;1502080862;BingoBoingo;Most common meme was "Our school is too poor to afford the new world maps" 1694897;1502080878;mircea_popescu;brain tattooing. because unlike skin, brain can present different facet in different context. to some degree. 1694898;1502080894;BingoBoingo;AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" 1694899;1502080900;mircea_popescu;what can you do. 1694900;1502080925;BingoBoingo;"Don't be an Indian Giver" 1694901;1502080958;*;BingoBoingo remebers high school classrooms in 2004 still occasionally showing USSR on world map 1694902;1502080976;phf;i understand the point though, my understanding that i haven't evaluated in a while was that soviet were attempting to solve prisoners dilemma by training "a soviet man". brain tattooing makes sense in that respect, though my interpretation is generous to the goals 1694903;1502080991;mircea_popescu;phf which prisonner dilemma ? 1694904;1502081035;BingoBoingo;"Gifted students are creative students" << This point was alluded to in pseudoscience guy's creativity vs. tinkering essay 1694905;1502081036;phf;game theoretical one, cooperate/defect with the corresponding payoffs 1694906;1502081046;mircea_popescu;defect to whom ? 1694907;1502081173;phf;it's in the statement of the prisoner's dilemma, "defect" to the hypothetical inquisitors by betraying the other prisoner (i know that the terminology used introduces interesting connotations within the soviet regime, but i don't think that's the intent) 1694908;1502081210;mircea_popescu;no, see, you're thinking "to the west" with such intensity it can't even be voiced. suppose for the sake of argument, defect to chuka. why not ? 1694909;1502081233;mircea_popescu;i know for a fact kgb had chuka defection directorate because hey, during the groznii siege all the signals folk involved had "experience in the problem". 1694910;1502081285;mircea_popescu;this puts the problem in context : "don't defect to west because even if materially stronger, it is morally weaker. BUT ALSO!!!! don't defect to fucking mongoloids because even though morally stronger they... don't have enough dachas ?" 1694911;1502081292;mircea_popescu;suddenly the proposition becomes untenable. 1694912;1502081358;mircea_popescu;you had any contact with the living memory of soviet punk ? was this thing early on, "soviet too soft, gotta be moar hardcore" youth movement, wouldn't wash, didn't ask women to fuck, somewhat vaguelyt like the great leap forward kids in china. 1694913;1502082032;phf;i wasn't actually thinking to the west, i was treating soviet union as a self-contained system. the point i was trying to make is that (and this is all very RANDian) in the absence of a market graph you needed an alternative mechanism to encourage cooperation, which in this case was the propaganda system "real soviet man does X" etc. 1694914;1502082053;mircea_popescu;why do you think market encourages cooperation ? 1694915;1502082138;mircea_popescu;consider the case of kitty genovese ; or else a more general, abstracted point : you go into a field where men are working, in a rural, traditional, thereby market-clean setting, and i dunno, sayu a man is drowned in the river and ask for help. they will cooperate, won't they ? whereas if there's a market going they'll go... "go talk to the market-specialist, we're not in that line of work", yes ? 1694916;1502082193;phf;if you screw somebody in a repeated trade, they won't necessarily do trade with you again 1694917;1502082198;mircea_popescu;market organizes capital, of course, and man is capital, yes, but it doesn't encourage cooperation anymore than it encourages the grass to grow. 1694918;1502082207;phf;yes, but then you're substituting village for city 1694919;1502082232;mircea_popescu;phf wouldn't you expect, if market encouraged cooperation, for fucking to be most common in market-driven societies and least common in marketless ones ? whereas europe has a fertility problem and chuka very much does not ? 1694920;1502082250;mircea_popescu;seems the natural basic quanta of cooperation, "making a new child". 1694921;1502082289;phf;i think that's competing ideologies setting conflicting goals 1694922;1502082393;mircea_popescu;hm. 1694923;1502082461;mircea_popescu;if your notion of cooperation excludes reproduction you'll have to define it somehow because i'm not sure i know what it means thne. 1694924;1502082564;mircea_popescu;i mean, "advanced" folk can't get a carpool to work, whereas "backwards" folk can drop a supernumerary child with the first woman/gaggle of children they run into, and it'll work out. "here, take this, i'll take it back tonight". 1694925;1502082642;phf;hmm, i'm saying that market is one of the ways to encourage cooperation, where one wouldn't necessarily exist otherwise; there are other better ways, kinship, religion, king/leviathan 1694926;1502082684;mircea_popescu;so is there any argument against the "cooperation is what happens anyway, there's a number of known ways to discourage kinds, such as market, faith, kinship, etc" ? 1694927;1502082711;phf;hmm 1694928;1502082729;mircea_popescu;much in the vein of "hair-grows on face ; we call a moustache this particular shaving pattern, and sideburns this other shaving pattern" ? 1694929;1502082763;mircea_popescu;for instance, traditional family ie kinship say discourages very acutely some specific cooperations, such as romeo and juliet's coop. 1694930;1502082784;mircea_popescu;whereas usg is very dedicated to "anti money laundering". 1694931;1502082810;mircea_popescu;doesn't specifically care who desdemona fucks, but very much cares if the moor sent any venetian coins back to mauretania. 1694932;1502082839;phf;well, but if you're saying that cooperation is what happens, then at the very least same can be said about kinship. 1694933;1502082852;mircea_popescu;sure. 1694934;1502082979;phf;but i'm not even sure if kinship and cooperation are similar nature of happen. does kinship promote cooperation as it's only source, but then you can do mental tricks to extend kinship beyond actual kin to likewise extend cooperation? 1694935;1502083006;mircea_popescu;cooperation is a behaviour ; kinship is a status. they're not compatible in this sense. 1694936;1502083106;mircea_popescu;the trick here is the usual "sleeping mind goes backwards through causal-time". the kinship is a particular shaving of the cooperation field -- you're supposed to help your kin and not help the nonkin. this does not mean "kinship made you help your kin" ; you wer going to help and this told you who NOT to help. 1694937;1502083236;mircea_popescu;16yo is going to suck some cock. unless she's biologically broken, mentally retarded, in some manner not-human, dysfunctional failure, she is. now, whether she sucks hunter's cock because that's who daddy brought home or wolf of wallstreet cock because that's what the cat dragged into the bar is an ulterior consideration. she's not gonna be without. 1694938;1502083269;phf;i understand the reversal (and it's a neat one) but i don't see how it's supported by anything but itself. you're basically saying that "oh someone's drowning, that's not my brother, fuck im" is what's happening, where's i'm saying "nothing's happening of note, oh it's my brother drowning! i should help him" is what's happening 1694939;1502083322;mircea_popescu;but you're not helping him because he's your brother. you're helping him because you were going to help ; the part where he;s your brother is a 2nd step, where he doesn't get not-helped for being on do-not-help list. 1694940;1502083391;mircea_popescu;1. phf is walking down the road ; 2. phf perceives something in river ; 3. phf goes to help ; 4.a. phf discovers it was scarecrow, unloads helping module ; 4.b. phf discovers it is muscovy and he's from lvov, unloads helping module ; 4.c phf discovers it's his brother AND CARRIES ON. 1694941;1502083560;BingoBoingo;4.a.1 phf loads salvage module and recovers scarecrow 1694942;1502083587;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly alf -- teh russkis came up with the following item : a 20 ton truck with two engines, one powering the left side wheels, the other powering the right side wheels. i thought you should know. 1694943;1502083594;BingoBoingo;5. phf - crow war escalates 1694944;1502083597;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo conceivably. 1694945;1502083828;phf;ok, i'm convinced of "cooperation is what happens anyway". now i think that it doesn't work with conflicting interests. save person from river, potentially drown yourself kind of situation. or trade with them with smaller payoff, kill them and take their stuff for higher payoff. 1694946;1502083861;mircea_popescu;right. 1694947;1502083910;phf;i suppose that's the point of prisoner's dilemma, it establishes simple example of such conflict 1694948;1502083924;mircea_popescu;the problem with payoff is, of course, identity. to quote that splendid film, "when a man takes an oath, he is holding his soul in his hands, like water. if he opens his fingers then, he shouldn't worry about ever meeting himself again." 1694949;1502083964;mircea_popescu;this doesn't happen just when you want it, but generally. if you're gonna kill the dude drowning to take his underwear, you'll be stuck wearing a pair of stained underwear which you didn't stain yourself. 1694950;1502084060;phf;smooth, i suppose you could say that a raider wouldn't make a choice to trade, likewise trader doesn't necessarily have the inclination for raiding 1694951;1502084407;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1694952;1502084454;mircea_popescu;the problem with this view is that most cultures ethnonym is "man". raider/trader/etc would have to be exonyms. 1694953;1502084663;phf;well, those things that i brought up, kinship, religion, they are part of identity. "he's not my brother i won't go out on a limb" vs "my life's not my own, god told me to help even if i die". 1694954;1502084690;mircea_popescu;sure. 1694955;1502085492;phf;so to revise the original point, markets create additional conditions under which higher payoff is obtained through cooperation in a situation of conflicting interests. though i'm not quite sure how that applies in the drowning situation, since it's missing the whole exchange of resources 1694956;1502085691;phf;this is turning very much into "how i spent my summer" essay 1694957;1502085704;mircea_popescu;every ideological clothing of reality will priviledge some possible, occuring exchanges for others. 1694958;1502085722;mircea_popescu;take the combustion engine -- yes, the fuel burns ; yes it'd have oxidized anyway, eventually. 1694959;1502085741;mircea_popescu;in this configuration, it spins an axle. in another configuration, it'd have fed a mold or w/e. 1694960;1502085771;mircea_popescu;knowledge has you stick finger in some holes as opposed to others ; depending on the kind of knowledge so vary the kinds of holes. 1694961;1502085798;mircea_popescu;and so yes, a functional commercial environment will have you do some things, such as painting masterpieces and discovering the new world, in preference of others. 1694962;1502085816;mircea_popescu;whereas a dysfunctional socialist environment will have you chant nonsense in a circle. 1694963;1502085917;mircea_popescu;still, the masterpieces and discoveries are not objectively valuable, even though the socialists love using them whenever they figure how to. 1694964;1502085942;mircea_popescu;even if it's conspicuous consumption in the manner of "burn all these decadent bourgeois rembrandts" 1694965;1502088783;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6C3ED8B1253ED82D039BA732DED995DE56D46A4AD9C5900C742CE8C49A2B682E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1608...0909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.58.211.50 (ssh-rsa key from 207.58.211.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US OH) 1694966;1502088784;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6C3ED8B1253ED82D039BA732DED995DE56D46A4AD9C5900C742CE8C49A2B682E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1696...7803 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.58.211.50 (ssh-rsa key from 207.58.211.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US OH) 1694967;1502115663;mod6;mornin 1694968;1502116534;mod6;wb 1694969;1502116552;mircea_popescu;why ty! 1694970;1502116630;mod6;how goes today? 1694971;1502116656;mircea_popescu;not bad so far. 1694972;1502116686;mircea_popescu;o hey, that was the painlessest log catchup ever. 1694973;1502116911;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at teh office, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f821b8398d69e9969db7f2dcef402703/tumblr_o7b4t3n1fC1v92rx6o1_400.gif 1694974;1502116997;mod6;aha, how monday should begin! 1694975;1502117281;mircea_popescu;o right tis monday! 1694976;1502117417;mod6;:D 1694977;1502117683;shinohai;Morning all >.> 1694978;1502117874;mircea_popescu;heya. 1694979;1502117929;mircea_popescu;in other news : cutting up a fresh vanilla bean and leaving the cuttings to sit under costa rican rum qs in a brown glass bottle results after a week or so in such an incredible vanilla tincture as the senses can scarcely believe. 1694980;1502117935;mircea_popescu;i guess im making caek. 1694981;1502117940;mircea_popescu;delishius caek. 1694982;1502118129;shinohai;I thought the caek was a lie. 1694983;1502118166;mircea_popescu;hm. 1694984;1502118689;shinohai;Giving a whole new meaning to sit on it and spin: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGmg4iYWAAAQibM.jpg 1694985;1502119247;asciilifeform;lol it's that toy 1694986;1502119253;asciilifeform;for some reason ultra-popular in usa 1694987;1502119262;asciilifeform;ball bearing with plastic handle. 1694988;1502119276;asciilifeform;you turn it, like a prayer wheel. 1694989;1502119290;asciilifeform;( lotsa folx with idle hands, need somethign to spin, spin... ) 1694990;1502120004;mircea_popescu;dun think i ever saw the specific one. 1694991;1502120021;mircea_popescu;o wait, are you saying it's not actually a butt plug, but something else ? 1694992;1502120023;asciilifeform;they all have this shape 1694993;1502120033;asciilifeform;it's probably the spin toy thing, glued to a plug 1694994;1502120057;mircea_popescu;brazzers are so fucking untalented. jesus. 1694995;1502120089;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694871 << recall ancient china, 'five-legged essay' ? 1694996;1502120089;a111;Logged on 2017-08-07 04:27 mircea_popescu: phf did you live through soviet long enough to know the 10yo fixed-form composition ? 1694997;1502120093;asciilifeform;same idea 1694998;1502120110;mircea_popescu;no, because i mean fixed form not fixed structure. 1694999;1502120139;asciilifeform;what's the diff ? 1695000;1502120147;mircea_popescu;fixed structure is a cognitive necessity, from the kuhn-popper theory of paradigma-based research throughout the actual practice of scholastics all the way to a 10yos fixed structure "composition" 1695001;1502120155;mircea_popescu;the form is just a way to cheat. 1695002;1502120184;asciilifeform;'structure is nothing if it's all you've got, skeletons spook people for a reason' -- naggum 1695003;1502120185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's the difference : "bad guy gets it (death)" and "woman gets it in the end (cock)" are fixed structure, they create the usian fictional narrative. 1695004;1502120206;asciilifeform;hm. 1695005;1502120221;mircea_popescu;whereas "don't say nigger" and "good guy wears white hat" is fixed form. 1695006;1502120365;asciilifeform;aa , kabuki 1695007;1502120438;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in monkeystan, http://archive.is/hbnex 1695008;1502120455;mircea_popescu;maybe, if that's what you mean by it. i always interpreted it to mean "fixed form resulting through exhaustion of alternative by an ancient, methodical culture". whereas generally fixed form is arbitrary. 1695009;1502120470;asciilifeform;nah mircea_popescu that's be joseki 1695010;1502120475;mircea_popescu;lol k 1695011;1502120486;asciilifeform;( ultra-useful word imho ) 1695012;1502120499;asciilifeform;even if nobody again plays go. 1695013;1502120552;mircea_popescu;i'm not enough of an expert on stupid-theatre to be able to say if this is fair or not to teh kabuki. 1695014;1502120724;asciilifeform;( for nonplayers -- 'joseki' are sequences of moves, but not necessarily in opening of game ( as in, e.g., chess ) , which appear to be arbitrary to the uninitiated but you deviate from at your peril 1695015;1502120727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform other than the butthurt of matt levine, who apparently holds the irrational impacted belief that usg matters/has a future against all possibnle evidence, what about that piece ? 1695016;1502120733;asciilifeform;( unless a very skilled player ) 1695017;1502120787;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun know much re the case, other than how the d00d was a master troll , 1st class ( bought some famous artsy piece of shit just to burn it, iirc, had a twatter where he bragged about demolishing various derps, etc) 1695018;1502120798;mircea_popescu;you mean the subject ? 1695019;1502120816;asciilifeform;shkreli aha 1695020;1502120838;asciilifeform;then they сшили дело for him 1695021;1502120852;asciilifeform;( iirc accused of making pyramid ) and now convicted 1695022;1502120898;mircea_popescu;i don't suppose either him or bitcoin or anything else talked about is related to the piece. the whole item is matt levine being his usual judische insolence self, whereby he imagines he can talk out his ass and he won't hang for it because "someone had to say the alternative thing". 1695023;1502120910;mircea_popescu;this doesn't work, of course, but he'll whine loudly about the unfairness of it all. 1695024;1502120914;asciilifeform;lol i only read the 1st segment 1695025;1502120919;asciilifeform;and never heard of the author prev 1695026;1502120924;mircea_popescu;most nobody did. 1695027;1502120931;asciilifeform;assumed it was generic volkischer beobachter clerk 1695028;1502120946;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's the usual strategy of the cattle, discussed previously in teh logs. 1695029;1502120956;asciilifeform;appears so aha 1695030;1502121015;mircea_popescu;"oh, there's 5bn things that could be said and 3bn moo moos saying things, well, i'll be better served to "differentiate" myself from the herd by saying things according to how few others are saying them, than according to the things said" 1695031;1502121049;mircea_popescu;"better own 100% of obscure nonsense than ~0% of reasonable statement" because "you never know" etc. 1695032;1502121089;mircea_popescu;necessary corollary of "people can have ideas". of course, "people" can't, but that's too advanced for the prostitextuate. 1695033;1502121196;mircea_popescu;the other moo moo strat, since we're doing moo moo strats, is, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694702 : spend a little time trying to follow a particular line into some detail, then "totally overwhelm" your betters by pointed questions. cuz you know, they totally don't outthink you on a regular basis. 1695034;1502121196;a111;Logged on 2017-08-07 01:25 r0nin-: still argentina? 1695035;1502121270;asciilifeform;the point re 'inserting equalitis' was spot on, i immediately pictured d00d's picture of mircea_popescu as wanderer with a sack tied to a stick , 'wandering because lost' 1695036;1502121276;mircea_popescu;this was actually formalized by caragiale cca 1880 : "sunt chelneri cari, dupa cite au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede". 1695037;1502121306;mircea_popescu;ie, there are waiters who overheard enough in bits and pieces from the intellectual's disputes that they can overwhelm an university professor, especially if unprepared. 1695038;1502121343;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's kinda the thing, they self-flatteringly imagine i ended up here cuz i fell from a pot, not because i can see through them like so much glass beads. 1695039;1502121474;mircea_popescu;i suppose the moral being, we're going to see ever more waiters who read the log for i-log-ical purposes in teh futures. and, the imbecile (aka narcissist in ballas' terminology) being more dedicated to the preservation of the malfunctioning "self" he already has, they'll just run off the moment that dun work, to either try [the same stupid shit] again later or not dare to try again [ie, proclaim some sort of incomprehensible 1695040;1502121475;mircea_popescu; victory] 1695041;1502121568;mircea_popescu;anyway. items who aim to ask questions but can't answer questions are not yet ready for peopledom. 1695042;1502123721;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694872 << interestingly, not so long ago i was working through an old german textbook from su era -- it had this 1695043;1502123721;a111;Logged on 2017-08-07 04:28 mircea_popescu: like, say, the vacation page ? wit hthe "goodbye so and so landmark" closer sentence ? 1695044;1502123747;mircea_popescu;aha 1695045;1502123764;*;asciilifeform has been on a eurolangs refresh kick, doing ro currently 1695046;1502123782;mircea_popescu;how's that coming along ? 1695047;1502123799;asciilifeform;quite entertaining 1695048;1502123855;asciilifeform;not nearly as 'sporty', i think, as mircea_popescu's language method -- i've no meat people who speak anything useful in range 1695049;1502123860;asciilifeform;so paper it is. 1695050;1502123874;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's pet meanwhile is doing ru. 1695051;1502123906;mircea_popescu;do a trilema article, we'll lol together. 1695052;1502123965;asciilifeform;i can already eat maybe 1 in 3 articles without making hilarious mistake -- looking to get useful with spoken ro 1695053;1502123976;asciilifeform;( as in, realtime ) 1695054;1502124002;mircea_popescu;wait, you mean ro to en ? i was thinking en to ro. 1695055;1502124025;asciilifeform;i got some distance to go before would undertake * -> ro 1695056;1502124030;mircea_popescu;ah. 1695057;1502124065;mircea_popescu;well, you can always undertake two week vacation in ro, go northwest, the whores will be recognizably ukrainian and certainly friendly. 1695058;1502124088;mircea_popescu;heck, go cluj-iasi-chisinev-odessa for maximal linguistic lulz. 1695059;1502124203;asciilifeform;[ insert asciilifeform-has-nfi-where-to-even-begin-in-meatland thread here] 1695060;1502124257;mircea_popescu;eh, you buy tickets, you land at airport, you go to hotel and you chat up the clerk. find out where the university is, go there, hang out in the cafeteria, offer to buy girls drinks / hire one to show you around. 1695061;1502124458;mircea_popescu;take pet along, only feed her that day if you're happy with teh results. can't possibly miss, srsly nao. 1695062;1502127908;asciilifeform;in other 'performance arts', https://cryptome.org/2017/08/cambridge-analytica.htm 1695063;1502130088;mircea_popescu;cryptome joined the off-internet bunch. 1695064;1502130829;ben_vulpes;https://www.wsj.com/articles/missouri-police-officer-killed-during-traffic-stop-1502121625 << is it 'cops are easy to kill' oclock yet? 1695065;1502130949;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: paywalled 1695066;1502130967;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/AP4sF 1695067;1502131023;mircea_popescu;hey, i recall when this was being discussed on trilema in the future tense! what was it, coupla years ago ? 1695068;1502131029;ben_vulpes;mhm! 1695069;1502131047;asciilifeform;from same rag: 'Venezuelans want to throw off the yoke of Cuban repression. They need your help.' 1695070;1502131053;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/FdIpb#selection-2267.42-2267.122 ) 1695071;1502131056;ben_vulpes;cuban repression? waaat 1695072;1502131078;asciilifeform;nfi! 1695073;1502131091;phf;fwiw i never did experience that whole formulaic writing thing (though i know there were all kinds of other cases of "tattoos for the mind"), my russian/literature/foreign literature classes were brutal, i still have nightmares of cramming poetry last moment, 2-3 hours essay sessions that never seem to end, the three giant Yuri Lotman books 1695074;1502131117;asciilifeform;'The Castro infiltration began over a decade ago when Fidel sent thousands of Cuban agents, designated as teachers and medical personnel, to spread propaganda and establish communist cells in the barrios.' didjaknow!! 1695075;1502131134;asciilifeform;gotta luvv the thief-crying-stopthief folx 1695076;1502131183;asciilifeform;phf: the most basic education for-people is still > the finest available education for-ameritards 1695077;1502131198;asciilifeform;i saw some of each and willing to 'sign under this' . 1695078;1502131201;mircea_popescu;o wow, this is like, usg foreign policy done by the guys they stole it from, so therefore ILLEGITIMATE OMYGERD! 1695079;1502131297;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1695080;1502131369;mircea_popescu;playing yesterday's game. as if it's fucking 1930 and "the masses" matter or some dumb shit. 1695081;1502131443;asciilifeform;relatedly the crashcoin etc idjits are pressuring the gavins ('core devs') to... break traditional addresses. 1695082;1502131464;asciilifeform;this is great idea, possibly will finally get even the dullest off prb. 1695083;1502131619;mircea_popescu;lol wut ? 1695084;1502131653;mircea_popescu;oh, don't tell me, "we will not make payments to non 1-led addresses" hurt the butt quite THAT much did it ? 1695085;1502131659;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/s7iTd << for entomologists strictly 1695086;1502131719;mircea_popescu;lulzy. 1695087;1502131876;mircea_popescu;wait, in some paralel github universe bitcoin crash is actually "a majority fork" ? 1695088;1502131916;asciilifeform;1 aws vm , 1 voat, or sumthinglikethat 1695089;1502131953;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 1695090;1502132335;asciilifeform;in possibly more interesting noose, ice40 toolchain seems to build and work ok even on crapple. 1695091;1502132383;asciilifeform;very imho interestingly, NOBODY manufactures a board with an ice40 and a nontrivial qty of ram together. 1695092;1502132384;*;asciilifeform looked. 1695093;1502132394;asciilifeform;nor with a nic. 1695094;1502132407;asciilifeform;( these are ubiquitous for xilinx & altera ) 1695095;1502132562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ecp3 versa has 1gbit ddr3 even. 1695096;1502132583;asciilifeform;that is not an ice40!!! 1695097;1502132591;mircea_popescu;lattice made tho :) 1695098;1502132599;asciilifeform;but screamingly noncompatible 1695099;1502132617;asciilifeform;it's their ver of the xilinx virtex, full of proprietary special blox of various sorts 1695100;1502132622;asciilifeform;wholly unreversed afaik. 1695101;1502132624;mircea_popescu;aha 1695102;1502132647;asciilifeform;i actually have an older version of that thing, bought by mistake 1695103;1502132679;asciilifeform;the working turdless-chain series is the ice40, up to 8k gate. 1695104;1502132776;mircea_popescu;olimex has something, usual 512kb sram sorta thing. 1695105;1502132782;asciilifeform;i have that one. 1695106;1502132785;mircea_popescu;aha. 1695107;1502132786;asciilifeform;and 'icestick' also. 1695108;1502132813;mircea_popescu;for unexplained reasons not a very popular/studied/modded chip. 1695109;1502132833;asciilifeform;very studied, surprisingly enough, to the point of being fully solved 1695110;1502132846;asciilifeform;but nobody could be arsed to mount it with sdram socket and gb nic magnetics ?! 1695111;1502132850;asciilifeform;apparently. 1695112;1502132862;mircea_popescu;these are contradictory aren't they. 1695113;1502132870;asciilifeform;how? 1695114;1502132898;mircea_popescu;"she spends two hours each weekday poledancing at various clubs and her hymen's intact". rly ? 1695115;1502132908;asciilifeform;intact afaik 1695116;1502132915;asciilifeform;not same thing as 'definitely intact' 1695117;1502132925;mircea_popescu;it wasn't so much solved as the producer documented it, isn't it. 1695118;1502132945;mircea_popescu;apparently surest fire way to obscurity is to properly document your hardware. 1695119;1502132946;asciilifeform;it is almost like the ice40 aficionados are following the 'bolix-whisperers' 'we dun wanna piss off dks!111' school of thought 1695120;1502132961;asciilifeform;'oh noez if we start doing heavy lifting with open fpga it will be immediately discontinued' 1695121;1502132976;mircea_popescu;learned helplessness, america's only export. 1695122;1502132990;*;asciilifeform recently spoke with yet another 'but dks! but john mallery and nsa!' d00d 1695123;1502133008;mircea_popescu;what about them ? 1695124;1502133047;asciilifeform;the usual asciilifeform : 'i intend to reverse and publicly rape all bolix intellectualprowhateverthefucks' d00d: 'atrocity! but do you not fear and worry ! but nsa! ' etc 1695125;1502133098;mircea_popescu;so whatever, early reaction to grief. 1695126;1502133100;asciilifeform;bolix co. remnant is owned by a 'dark eminence', retired nit nsa prof d00d, see old thread 1695127;1502133105;asciilifeform;*mit 1695128;1502133118;mircea_popescu;i'm aware. 1695129;1502133213;asciilifeform;i have several convos like this, and consider them strictly 'psychiatrically' interesting 1695130;1502133235;asciilifeform;they treat the corpse as if it were alcoholic father , or the like - 'mustn't piss off, will beat us' 'mustn't piss off, maybe will give us treats' 1695131;1502133245;asciilifeform;but the corpse neither beats, nor dispenses treats. 1695132;1502133256;asciilifeform;high time to realize this, whisperers. 1695133;1502133264;asciilifeform;it's a corpse. 1695134;1502133272;asciilifeform;take out the gold teeth and move on. 1695135;1502133275;mircea_popescu;from the little actual i've seen, dude's just a very serious engineer type of the 70s, entirely unequipped to deal with the metrosexual fucktards of the 90s 1695136;1502133307;asciilifeform;but quite happy to , with usg ? 1695137;1502133319;mircea_popescu;usg dun mean anything to him. 1695138;1502133326;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/spies-in-berlin/ << Trilema - Spies in Berlin 1695139;1502133356;asciilifeform;lol, usg just another customer ? sorta like how long pig just another sausage ? 1695140;1502133372;mircea_popescu;something like that. though i expect they had a coupla people specially for interfacing with him. 1695141;1502133385;mircea_popescu;reason contract ended prolly was those finally retired. 1695142;1502133422;asciilifeform;likely 1695143;1502133471;mircea_popescu;coupla women, not really secretaries/receptionists, not really subsecretaries of state. the forklifts of government, doing the actual paper pushing. prolly in their 30s when they met, 30 years ago. eventually, gotta quit to hang out with the dogs / grandkids. 1695144;1502133511;mircea_popescu;~only correct way to understand post-cold-war government is as a public funded term paper mill. there's a bunch of people writing the papers and a bunch of nominally designated "students" "turning their work in". 1695145;1502133522;asciilifeform;i usedta work in one of these 1695146;1502133524;asciilifeform;know about it. 1695147;1502133526;mircea_popescu;supposedly the public grades it. 1695148;1502133530;asciilifeform;lol 1695149;1502133531;mircea_popescu;which is the laugh of all time. 1695150;1502133579;mircea_popescu;anyway. "creates jobs" right. you too could be retiring to dogs and grandkids if you only copy/paste from wikipedia! 1695151;1502133602;mircea_popescu;except, history dun repeat, even if it rhymes. those coupla women retiring are the last to make it on that conveyor belt. 1695152;1502133728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the pretense of "secrets" and "classified" in such an environment is even more laughable than the theory whereby public grades it. 1695153;1502133752;mircea_popescu;"oh no mp, it's a think TANK!!!1". reheheally. 1695154;1502133794;asciilifeform;bureaucratic seekrit machines are powered ~entirely by http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 1695155;1502133794;a111;Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army) 1695156;1502133838;mircea_popescu;in soviet, maybe. in usg, it's really just a social game. 1695157;1502133846;mircea_popescu;nothing is actually secret, nor could be. cuz how the fuck. 1695158;1502133886;mircea_popescu;literal kabuki, "and then we pretend the man with a black headband is invisible". exactly the same, "secret". 1695159;1502133897;asciilifeform;e.g. yes some retired to dogs crone somewhere once photocopied the algo for breaking the weak class of aes key. no she has nfi what the funny letter on the paper meant, why would she. 1695160;1502133937;mircea_popescu;you keep thinking the usg has actually interesting secrets, rather than the rejected scripts for reality tv we keep turning up in the sikrit vaults. 1695161;1502133940;mircea_popescu;i am not so convinced. 1695162;1502133969;asciilifeform;depends what means interesting 1695163;1502133981;mircea_popescu;literally, "anything but rejected reality tv scripts". 1695164;1502134026;asciilifeform;i regard , for instance, a pill that's take phuctor from ppm of keys phucked, to ~most -- as interesting 1695165;1502134035;mircea_popescu;it's not that they lost the nuke schematics. it's that they can't even find the boat designs from back when their boats actually floated. so they end up with littoral cardboard sheeps. 1695166;1502134088;asciilifeform;nuke has priority somewhere below whoever cleans the wh bowling alley. 1695167;1502134105;mircea_popescu;you're welcome to not believe, on ops grounds, "i will not believe enemy is dumb". but that aside, as a theoretical concern, how the fuck else will you explain "recent models actually worse performing than earlier models" ? 1695168;1502134118;mircea_popescu;if you don't fuck as well as you used to, it's because you forgot how to fuck, there's no more to it than that. 1695169;1502134120;asciilifeform;enemy is a constellation of dumb and smart. 1695170;1502134137;mircea_popescu;yes, in the sense door is a constellation of wood and divine grace. 1695171;1502134142;asciilifeform;most of the smart, at this point, is bottled from ages past 1695172;1502134143;asciilifeform;in the form of artifacts 1695173;1502134162;mircea_popescu;entirely hermetic artifacts. a la bolix. 1695174;1502134204;asciilifeform;there is another category of artifacts, products of guile rather than technical inventiveness -- the keys to the boobytraps 1695175;1502134212;asciilifeform;( the various heartbleeds ) 1695176;1502134213;mircea_popescu;you see, they can't use the good boat designs "because they haven't been digitized" which is code for "we lost them". so they're stuck with "This recipe i found on a site", entirely http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691198 1695177;1502134213;a111;Logged on 2017-07-31 18:03 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562128 << http://glyf.org/tmp/DMT.gif cc asciilifeform, i came accros that dmt guide that i was talking about in my archives 1695178;1502134237;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with those is that we get them as soon as they touch them. 1695179;1502134238;asciilifeform;they have 0 incentive to use good boat design, that won't generate recurring revenue 1695180;1502134248;asciilifeform;a la mircea_popescu's folk tale with the builders 1695181;1502134248;asciilifeform;who held up the wall with hands 1695182;1502134252;asciilifeform;and wrote food and drink into budget 1695183;1502134258;mircea_popescu;incentive is irrelevant. stupid unfucked chickie imagines "she has no incentive to put out", as fucking if. 1695184;1502134331;asciilifeform;lockheed et al have 0 reason to build ship that perma-floats, any more than monkey, to whom some idiot gave banana as 'salary', has any notion of 'showing up for work' the next morning 1695185;1502134357;asciilifeform;there's not a stalin who will round up and shoot the lockheed board and their families etc 1695186;1502134362;mircea_popescu;but reason has nothing to do with it. neither lockheed nor anyone else could. 1695187;1502134386;mircea_popescu;full fucking stop. they can't build the "hypertube" or w/e, and just in the same way, they can't build a fleet of b2s. just, simply, overpoweringly, can not. 1695188;1502134388;asciilifeform;whether monkey could 'decide to show up for work' -- i do not know 1695189;1502134390;mircea_popescu;the designs are lost. 1695190;1502134414;asciilifeform;'lost' deliberately 1695191;1502134440;mircea_popescu;father with inept son watching keys locked inside -- "did you do it deliberately ?!?!" "uhhh i dunno...." 1695192;1502134442;asciilifeform;because 'you can't get tenure by saying let's-use-rsa' and you won't get $trillion if you ~do~ dig up the old blueprint 1695193;1502134446;mircea_popescu;wtf is deliberate even mean. they don't deliberate. 1695194;1502134464;asciilifeform;the 'losing' is a volitional, planned act, like bank robbery. 1695195;1502134485;mircea_popescu;like "i used the juice" bank robbery, planned, sure. 1695196;1502134512;asciilifeform;whether imbecile or genius is orthogonal to planned vs spontaneous 1695197;1502134520;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, teeets! http://68.media.tumblr.com/a1eb142151ba423bc5cba90620efadc1/tumblr_o3xxurz05E1teoe9mo1_1280.jpg 1695198;1502134541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. below a certain level (self-reflection), planned and spontaneous project to the same point. 1695199;1502134564;mircea_popescu;imbecile planning and spontaneity both go "guuuhk" 1695200;1502134673;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-16#954309 << juice ref 1695201;1502134673;a111;Logged on 2014-12-16 03:04 gribble: The burglar with the lemon juice disguise « Mind Hacks: ; Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; DOT Uses Beet Juice to Battle Icy Roads | NBC 10 Philadelphia: > 'Tina Lam and Michael Cheng snatched up Presidio Terrace — the block-long, private oval street lined by 35 megamillion-dollar mansions — for $90,000 and change in a city-run auction stemming from an unpaid tax bill. They outlasted several other bidders. Now they’re looking to cash in — maybe by charging the residents of those mansions to park on 1695222;1502142218;asciilifeform;their own private street.' 1695223;1502142221;asciilifeform;but best part, 1695224;1502142233;asciilifeform;'Sen. Dianne Feinstein and her financier husband, Richard Blum; House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi; and the late Mayor Joseph Alioto. A guard is stationed round the clock...' , and 1695225;1502142256;asciilifeform;'...the homeowners association has sued the couple and the city, seeking to block Cheng and Lam from selling the street to anyone while the city appeal is pending — a move residents fear could complicate their efforts to reclaim the land.' 1695226;1502142263;asciilifeform;didjaknow 1695227;1502142281;asciilifeform;'oops, we forgot to stack the deck. can haz backsies?' 1695228;1502142300;mircea_popescu;lol. 1695229;1502142322;mircea_popescu;they're crazy about that dumb shit throughout latin america also, "condominios". who the fuck would want to live in them is unexplaiend, but they'\re everywhere. 1695230;1502142370;mircea_popescu;"oh mr p, wouldn't you love to PAY so some inept schmuck can waste your time with a barrier on the road and everything ?" "totally!" 1695231;1502142371;asciilifeform;'cemetary' lifestyle 1695232;1502142389;mircea_popescu;at this rate they're going to have a privatized tsa in the bathroom. 1695233;1502142389;asciilifeform;perfect uniformity, d00dz show up to cut the grass on same day for whole street, etc 1695234;1502142417;mod6;<+asciilifeform> 'oops, we forgot to stack the deck. can haz backsies?' << lol, exactly 1695235;1502142474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha the guard on the feinstein street, shoots to kill 1695236;1502142481;mircea_popescu;anyway, "a guard" pish. that's where you take the riots, if you're serious about rioting. brick pelt pelosi, feinstein and friends. 1695237;1502142488;asciilifeform;( vs overfattened dc schmucks street ) 1695238;1502142499;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform betcha is exactly the same dude with rolled up newspaper in retail bank. 1695239;1502142510;mircea_popescu;making 12 an hour or w/e. 1695240;1502142513;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that the net score of dead feinsteins to date is 0. 1695241;1502142525;asciilifeform;the rioters NEVER ONCE burned anything other than own pigsties. 1695242;1502142538;mircea_popescu;you keep saying this as fact, then i link you to dead feinsteins, then you forget about it for a week or two, then back to it. 1695243;1502142552;asciilifeform;the one in nyc ? 1695244;1502142563;asciilifeform;she wasn't in nomenklatura book. 1695245;1502142579;mircea_popescu;did you mean specifically assassinated sitting senators ? 1695246;1502142585;asciilifeform;nor do we know by whom killed. could just as easily be by contract , vs street tough 1695247;1502142589;asciilifeform;senators. 1695248;1502142597;asciilifeform;fed judges. anybody above dogcatcher. 1695249;1502142598;mircea_popescu;that's more of a caligula thing. we're still at nero. 1695250;1502142603;mircea_popescu;im sorry. we're still at tiberius. 1695251;1502142608;asciilifeform;probably. 1695252;1502142648;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, one doesn't need to look far : man opens fire in group of 50 congressmen june 14th current. 1695253;1502142669;asciilifeform;and 0 corpse..? 1695254;1502142677;*;asciilifeform has not followed subj 1695255;1502142690;mircea_popescu;but will gladly discuss it with firm conviction! 1695256;1502142698;asciilifeform;we were discussing rioters. 1695257;1502142701;trinque;"oh that guy just hated baseball" 1695258;1502142710;mircea_popescu;lol 1695259;1502142735;asciilifeform;postalists have nailed politicians in the past. more or less the only scoreholders in usa to date. 1695260;1502142762;mircea_popescu;anyway. giffords got shot in the head 2011, scalise was shot in the hip 2017. that's two for the past decade ; first two since 73. 1695261;1502142775;asciilifeform;( i.e. lone d00d, with at least 2-3 day plan horizon; rather than crowd of monkeys ) 1695262;1502142819;asciilifeform;though mircea_popescu is quite obviously right re the 12/hr guard having 0 to do with why monkeys dun burn feinstein's mansion 1695263;1502142833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the person doing the shooting from the crowd will always be you know, the person doing the shooting. if your idea is "show me senators shot by helicopter moms" you're going to turn out empty. 1695264;1502142866;mircea_popescu;anyway. there was trhat whole puerto rican nationalism slaugther, they got like a half dozen in the 50s iirc. 1695265;1502142884;asciilifeform;process re 'why not feinstein's house' was publicly visible during bmore riot -- soldiers appeared, but did not shoot rioters, merely redirected them to approved pillage-an'-burn ground 1695266;1502142886;mircea_popescu;first time in a century. 1695267;1502142903;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they weren't rioters. 1695268;1502142924;mircea_popescu;technically, rioters can't shoot anybody, because by definition they donb't have guns. 1695269;1502142927;asciilifeform;( no more than the folx who nailed ceaucescu were ) 1695270;1502142958;asciilifeform;dunno, bmore rioters had no shortage of small arms 1695271;1502142983;asciilifeform;still rioters, rather than soldiers : no command structure. 1695272;1502142994;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1695273;1502143002;mircea_popescu;the us army hasn't had comparable command structure since the 80s. 1695274;1502143018;asciilifeform;it's still an army, vs every-man-what-he-can band of maurauder 1695275;1502143021;asciilifeform;at least for nau. 1695276;1502143037;mircea_popescu;your notion of the baltimore riots is thoroughly fictitious. 1695277;1502143046;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu's, wholly accurate ? 1695278;1502143048;asciilifeform;from where ? 1695279;1502143065;mircea_popescu;nothing is wholly accurate, but that's neither here nor there. 1695280;1502143088;mircea_popescu;let's just say that shooting feinstein would have done ~0 as far as the drug market is concerned, so she escaped. 1695281;1502143089;asciilifeform;plox to 1) the seekrit tru picture 2) how mircea_popescu found it ? 1695282;1502143097;mircea_popescu;they were busy with more useful targets. 1695283;1502143124;asciilifeform;now this is true -- sitting usg is necessary to current blackmarketters like oxygen 1695284;1502143143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like in any field, you piece together the bit reports of people in the know, pondered by their context. doesn't take an expert analyst to figure out briots were convenient cover for underground resettlement. 1695285;1502143161;asciilifeform;resettlement ? 1695286;1502143185;mircea_popescu;well yes, they expanded territory like 30%, losing some areas, gaining others, look at teh map neh ? 1695287;1502143196;asciilifeform;aah hm. 1695288;1502143217;mircea_popescu;generally, the black-powered underground in the us is very much migratory, it wants to move towards the places with teenage fuckbunnies, and away from the dead zones. 1695289;1502143232;asciilifeform;creating, naturally, dead zones as it walks 1695290;1502143236;mircea_popescu;migration is slower than in their african home, but still, tectonic like underlyin phenomenon. 1695291;1502143246;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, the grass sprouts back once they leave. 1695292;1502143254;mircea_popescu;that's the point of a savannah. 1695293;1502143264;asciilifeform;^ this matches observations of asciilifeform's naked eye, thus far. 1695294;1502143272;asciilifeform;fwiw. 1695295;1502143298;mircea_popescu;to them, feinstein is nothing more than any other old bitty. she dun fuck, she dun twerk, she's as interesting as a printed picture of a bone is to a dog. 1695296;1502143329;mircea_popescu;this view happens to be closer to reality, amusingly enough, than the hallucinations of power and import of the various borderline sleeves "interning" for her. 1695297;1502143342;asciilifeform;one of the biggest puzzlers re marauding monkeyfolk to asciilifeform , is the reluctance of robbers to use the auto. almost like it were 1910 again, or sumthing. 90% rob in walking distance of own dwelling. mind-boggling 1695298;1502143354;mircea_popescu;auto needs gas. 1695299;1502143379;asciilifeform;cheaper in usa than literally anywhere on planet, neh 1695300;1502143386;asciilifeform;cheaper than milk. 1695301;1502143410;mircea_popescu;not a matter of price, a matter of all the strings. gotta keep it maintained, tank full, etc. you realise 50% of all arguments among car using negros is "who left the tank empty" ? 1695302;1502143426;mircea_popescu;no car, no problems. 1695303;1502143435;asciilifeform;lol, maintained?! rob in stolen auto neh 1695304;1502143444;mircea_popescu;gotta steal it. 1695305;1502143449;mircea_popescu;preferably, the same day you go robbing. 1695306;1502143451;asciilifeform;aha 1695307;1502143457;mircea_popescu;do you even grasp the hassle this is turniung into ? 1695308;1502143476;mircea_popescu;the sort of idiot who'd go into petty crime does so FOR CONVENIENCE. if he was willing to follow check lists he'd go to sv and be a fucking pm. 1695309;1502143519;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, dicks! http://68.media.tumblr.com/67f2b0e96ca7af37b30286911060e864/tumblr_o633b7EFZT1rayazno1_1280.jpg 1695310;1502143530;asciilifeform;i was working under the possibly mistaken assumption that not all pretty criminals are subhuman ('for convenience, i'ma shit right here where i stand') 1695311;1502143545;mircea_popescu;consider the earlier discussion re power and income. 1695312;1502143556;asciilifeform;hm? 1695313;1502143557;mircea_popescu;in order to be a petty criminal, you must be innumerate. there's no other way. 1695314;1502143574;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the "you'd make more washing dishes" chokes all the fun. 1695315;1502143582;asciilifeform;yeah but washing dishes emasculates 1695316;1502143593;mircea_popescu;and carrying grannies purses for them doesn't ? 1695317;1502143596;asciilifeform;what if you're numerate but maximally emasculation-averse 1695318;1502143605;mircea_popescu;then you become A FUCKING WELDER. 1695319;1502143609;asciilifeform;hm. 1695320;1502143613;mircea_popescu;or man an oil rig. 1695321;1502143628;mircea_popescu;dja have any fucking idea what an oil rig veteran makes ? 1695322;1502143638;asciilifeform;about same as sv 1695323;1502143642;mircea_popescu;heh. 1695324;1502143664;asciilifeform;(considerably more, he dun ahve to give it up immediately to thej000z etc ) 1695325;1502143698;mircea_popescu;right. 1695326;1502143710;mircea_popescu;"about same as sv and oh btw all catered meals and accomodations are free" 1695327;1502143723;mircea_popescu;"there's no commute. 12 hour shifts every other day." 1695328;1502143730;asciilifeform;while we're on subj, i get these hilarious invitations to sv conglomerates, ~every day 1695329;1502143760;asciilifeform;'hey idio! why dontcha come and work at $shitco! we'll pay you 300k, and you can spend 250 of it on a 1room flat!!' 1695330;1502143771;asciilifeform;*idiot! 1695331;1502143809;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, they could hire the girl also, and for the 450k you can get a 2 bedroom and rent one. this'll work well as you'll never see each other again 1695332;1502143824;*;mircea_popescu personally knows guy who, instead of divorce, got spouse job at his place of work, never saw her again. 1695333;1502143830;asciilifeform;lol! 1695334;1502143834;mircea_popescu;i kid you not. 1695335;1502143882;asciilifeform;i find it fascinating, the psychology of folx who voluntarily sign up for svtron. 1695336;1502143904;mircea_popescu;they're by and large folks who'd have signed up for mp slavery except no mp offered. 1695337;1502143929;asciilifeform;lol! 'eating cake is just like eating a live wasp nest, except with no cake and with wasps' 1695338;1502143951;asciilifeform;or somethinglikeit 1695339;1502143952;mircea_popescu;the problem with this simile is that i am unsure which is mapped on the cake and which on the wasps. 1695340;1502143959;asciilifeform;deliberately unspecified 1695341;1502144029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remember the genderfucked alicesomethingorother who 'i'ma meal-squares-mostly-eating-person' ? that's my mental image of sv 1695342;1502144070;asciilifeform;( approx. dry cat-feed sold for 'people' ) 1695343;1502144092;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1695344;1502144139;mircea_popescu;anyway, im off to watch child porn nao. bbl. 1695345;1502144146;asciilifeform;laters. 1695346;1502148158;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1695087 << Apparently the two things they are bickering over are Bitcoin, and 2mb Forkcoin but they REFUSE to disambiguate! 1695347;1502148158;a111;Logged on 2017-08-07 18:51 mircea_popescu: wait, in some paralel github universe bitcoin crash is actually "a majority fork" ? 1695348;1502148238;BingoBoingo;brb 1695349;1502152680;cazalla;good morning 1695350;1502152712;cazalla;BingoBoingo, any idea if estwing is still a good american tool brand or are they rubbish and just trade off the name now? 1695351;1502152885;mircea_popescu;p jeu 1695352;1502152892;mircea_popescu;o hey. how goes cazalla 1695353;1502152922;cazalla;mircea_popescu, good, just back from morning gym sesh 1695354;1502152934;mircea_popescu;nice. 1695355;1502153015;cazalla;how are things in your part of the world? left argentina? 1695356;1502153209;mircea_popescu;a yeah. 1695357;1502153223;mircea_popescu;pleasantly warm. 1695358;1502153871;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/what-gets-me-hot/ << Trilema - What gets me hot 1695359;1502157591;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1695360;1502157603;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3376.02, vol: 12425.62211284 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3389.6, vol: 24484.35055597 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3353.183513, vol: 13917.10960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3370.01, vol: 6073.82428952 | Volume-weighted last average: 3375.63645434 1695361;1502159873;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAE06E75A11A9769F9F7F977A0F2E1B65D1D7C3965C72A4DDF8F8C3AAE31AF7A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1740...7543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '161.246.13.86 (ssh-rsa key from 161.246.13.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (apl1.sci.kmitl.ac.th. TH) 1695362;1502159874;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAE06E75A11A9769F9F7F977A0F2E1B65D1D7C3965C72A4DDF8F8C3AAE31AF7A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...7667 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '161.246.13.86 (ssh-rsa key from 161.246.13.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (apl1.sci.kmitl.ac.th. TH) 1695363;1502162311;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform like in any field, you piece together the bit reports of people in the know, pondered by their context. doesn't take an expert analyst to figure out briots were convenient cover for underground resettlement. << Lafond says this as well plus moving product into town 1695364;1502162674;BingoBoingo;!~later tell cazalla From what I hear still good. As always check the label/model number in case they start experimenting with Chinesium. 1695365;1502162674;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1695366;1502167661;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/bad-biology/ << Trilema - Bad biology 1695367;1502168751;ben_vulpes;tee so the thought police cracked down on the dood behind the (entirely wackily formatted) http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320 : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo 1695368;1502169939;trinque;vp of diversity haw 1695369;1502169971;ben_vulpes;more like vp of diversity like 'naw' 1695370;1502170258;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694875 << guy's a perfect specimen of the brain tattooed, thinks somebody in there is going to hear his "omg am not included" 1695371;1502170258;a111;Logged on 2017-08-07 04:30 mircea_popescu: but see, that's not at all the point. for one thing : all scholarship is nonsense. for the other, soviet school si entirely propaganda, which is to say "prepare organ donors for a certain way of life". the fucking point of the fixed form 3rd/4th grade composition is to allow the submarginal intellects making up the bulk of the population to tattoo their brains into a form that'll then allow them to survive, as traffic agents 1695372;1502170317;trinque;tape your cock to your asshole buddy; they'll make a company manual out of you then. 1695373;1502171256;ben_vulpes;you figure he expected to survive the publication? 1695374;1502171788;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1695375;1502171804;trinque;on the contrary, politely offed himself while leaving a "manifesto" written in pantsuit, trying to turn the discrimination term on them and other gargle. 1695376;1502171804;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3430.91, vol: 13609.22855685 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3428.2, vol: 27814.18636746 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3393.335487, vol: 15730.67920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3433.003, vol: 7193.80566745 | Volume-weighted last average: 3420.78702129 1695377;1502173106;ben_vulpes;well hey, put a few knickers in some degree of knot, so he's got my vote in the midterms 1695378;1502173533;BingoBoingo;In the cancerous faggotry file https://archive.is/on51R 1695379;1502173989;ben_vulpes;hey professor calculus had a sweet rocket 1695380;1502174069;ben_vulpes;oh and in other tangential discoveries, both google and ms refuse to translate pizdet 1695381;1502174087;ben_vulpes;leading to such hilarious horrors as "fuck it in the pizza" 1695382;1502174829;BingoBoingo;lol 1695383;1502175786;mircea_popescu;now im gonna have to read gizmodo ? 1695384;1502175903;mircea_popescu;motherfucker the "business report" style of 2017 is unreadable. wtf is with all the bullets and summaries interspersed and omfg. 1695385;1502178590;mircea_popescu;!!up dragonblue 1695386;1502178591;deedbot;dragonblue voiced for 30 minutes. 1695387;1502178633;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes pizdet means very good in romanian / moldavian and utterly fucked in some ru dialects. 1695388;1502178890;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695378 << dude imagines he's doing the batshit insane camp any favours by publishing more batshit insane ? srsly, "moon prison" ? 1695389;1502178890;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 06:25 BingoBoingo: In the cancerous faggotry file https://archive.is/on51R 1695390;1502179288;mircea_popescu;and in other jay z, http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#comment-122558 1695391;1502202680;mod6;mornin 1695392;1502202751;shinohai;Morning there mod6 1695393;1502202768;mod6;how goes? 1695394;1502202906;shinohai;Not bad, rainy day just catching up on reading. You? 1695395;1502204930;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the world of btc-themed spam and infectors, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rcjjT/?raw=true 1695396;1502204946;mod6;shinohai: ah, not much 1695397;1502205007;asciilifeform;inside -- java turd 1695398;1502206907;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf i noticed recently that http://cvberry.com/tech_writings/notes/common_lisp_standard_draft.html exists. some years ago i tried to do same thing, but the sheer bulk of the pdf choked every printing co., incl. 'lulu'. ever tried ? 1695399;1502206907;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1695400;1502209444;phf;asciilifeform: no i haven't tried printing it, i saw this version, but i believe it's derivative. there's prior work with much nicer "diffs against dpANS" approach. 1695401;1502209536;phf;also guy's a clown, "LISP" tag, "omg hyperspec is too complicated", "emacs+evil" mode 1695402;1502209817;phf;can't find it in logs, but i'll link you other version when i get to non work computer 1695403;1502210925;asciilifeform;'My favorite on Windows 10 is a tool called "Shutup10" which lets you configure Windows 10 data-leaking behaviours in one spot.' yeah clown 1695404;1502210968;asciilifeform;'(setq shell-file-name "C:/MinGW/msys/1.0/bin/bash")' << every time i see these, i think 'why, poor bastard, why' 1695405;1502210989;asciilifeform;phf: where did a111 go ? 1695406;1502211004;phf;oh huh 1695407;1502211054;asciilifeform;'How to get pretty latex-style documents in Microsoft Word' << didjaknow! 1695408;1502211079;phf;is that from the same guy? 1695409;1502211099;asciilifeform;all same one yea 1695410;1502211131;phf;a111 is fine, claims to have timed out, was waiting on freenode handshakes 1695411;1502211521;asciilifeform;hey nsa, d00d's mitm box has rusty nic, plox to replace ! 1695412;1502212255;phf;"03/15/2016: Added article on effective Windows usage which contains my opinions and tips on using your computer. Added article Criteria for Software Freedom." 1695413;1502213193;BingoBoingo;And the Powah Rangahs have turned hard against Silberts 2 MB fork https://archive.is/4hevE 1695414;1502213289;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1695415;1502213307;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3370.84, vol: 16050.69492276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3379.6, vol: 30370.82043995 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3388.333492, vol: 17050.23150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3380.0, vol: 7098.07398382 | Volume-weighted last average: 3379.75790323 1695416;1502213319;BingoBoingo;OMG Crashed! 1695417;1502216133;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/silberts-november-hardfork-plan-faces-newly-wary-derps-thanks-roger-ver/ << Qntra - Silbert's November Hardfork Plan Faces Newly Wary Derps, Thanks Roger Ver 1695418;1502218417;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL 1695419;1502218418;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695420;1502218503;PeterL;hi everybody 1695421;1502218533;PeterL;so I felt like taking a stab at gossipd, take a look? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ul3Op/?raw=true 1695422;1502218600;asciilifeform;PeterL: how does this one differ from that last d00d's, with the heathen rsa ? 1695423;1502218613;PeterL;I took a stab at writing my own rsa 1695424;1502218635;asciilifeform;in a lang with gc?! 1695425;1502218637;PeterL;and so it uses your proposed "virtual otp" straight rsa encryption 1695426;1502218656;PeterL;well, this is just a prototype 1695427;1502218710;asciilifeform;also running mpfhf on incoming packets is lulzy 1695428;1502218730;asciilifeform;( esp one written in gclang ) 1695429;1502218740;asciilifeform;how many hours does this thing eat per packet ? 1695430;1502218776;PeterL;it does not run mpfhf on packets, that was just a way to hash to get a name for keys 1695431;1502218794;asciilifeform;i'm doomed to actually read this, arenti 1695432;1502218799;PeterL;not really vital to anything involved, that could just as well use any other hashing function 1695433;1502218809;*;asciilifeform puts on conveyor 1695434;1502218826;PeterL;criticism is welcome! 1695435;1502218872;PeterL;it is not a very long program 1695436;1502218879;asciilifeform;PeterL: i have to rain on the parade, but i dun see what you win from writing own rsa in this one. py arithmetic is not constanttime 1695437;1502218882;asciilifeform;nor even constantspace. 1695438;1502218911;PeterL;it also serves as a practice for me for understanding rsa algorithm 1695439;1502218974;PeterL;like I said, prototype, if it works then can be ported to using ada (at least that is my idea) 1695440;1502218987;asciilifeform;also what is that primality test supposed to be 1695441;1502218990;asciilifeform;it dun look like miller-rabin 1695442;1502219015;PeterL;fermat primality test 1695443;1502219033;asciilifeform;PeterL: are you aware of the limitations of this test ? 1695444;1502219045;PeterL;I know it has limitations, yes 1695445;1502219153;asciilifeform;i'ma save log space, and invite PeterL to read what i observed re the last d00d's gossipd prototype. 1695446;1502219172;asciilifeform;because unfortunately all of it applies to this one 1695447;1502219194;asciilifeform;at the same time i dun wanna discourage PeterL or other folks, from their exercises. 1695448;1502219242;asciilifeform;PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680382 << thread 1695449;1502219242;a111;Logged on 2017-07-08 00:17 asciilifeform: sina: the reason why i am not particularly hot&bothered, is that your prototype does not contain any of the parts that comprise 99+% of the necessary work of an adult gossipd 1695450;1502219370;asciilifeform;i understand what is meant by 'prototype', but an rsatron (ignoring for a moment the constant-time thing) that uses fermat's primality test as the sole probe, is analogous to a grenade with a half second fuse 1695451;1502219378;asciilifeform;it will kill the user. 1695452;1502219655;asciilifeform;for the thick : a large portion of keys generated by the linked code, will phuctor immediately. 1695453;1502219947;PeterL;ok, so if I switch the primality algorithm, what do you think of the rest of it? 1695454;1502219958;asciilifeform;still same thing as of the last one 1695455;1502219960;asciilifeform;( see thread. ) 1695456;1502219991;asciilifeform;i.e. PeterL put in a great deal of sweat, it shows; but the result does not make my work any easier, unfortunately 1695457;1502220010;asciilifeform;( dun mean it is useless - but it is in the class of homework imho ) 1695458;1502220045;*;PeterL not master programmer, finds homework useful 1695459;1502222619;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D94C26897847ED2BDBBAB06A53C056CA3ED508B756D8255B493FA8398169A3B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1632...5583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.152.231 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.152.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (LPuteaux-658-1-29-231.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR) 1695460;1502222619;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D94C26897847ED2BDBBAB06A53C056CA3ED508B756D8255B493FA8398169A3B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1710...6633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.152.231 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.152.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (LPuteaux-658-1-29-231.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR) 1695461;1502227708;asciilifeform;in other noose, mod6 , phf , et al : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681208 nao 1.5s . ( this with karasbuba-squaring used in exp, and comba-squaring used as base case in the former. ) 1695462;1502227708;a111;Logged on 2017-07-10 19:15 asciilifeform: in other noose, ACHTUNG PANZERS, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676331 nao 1.99s. 1695463;1502227730;asciilifeform;this is as good as it's gonna get without committing atrocities ( asm , parallelism, etc ) 1695464;1502227798;asciilifeform;*karatsuba 1695465;1502227800;asciilifeform;grr 1695466;1502228350;mod6;ah, cool alf 1695467;1502228406;mod6;very nice work 1695468;1502228437;asciilifeform;mod6: i almost decided to throw it all out and use generic multiply-by-self for squaring again 1695469;1502228531;asciilifeform;given as the special square thing costs 143 lines 1695470;1502228551;asciilifeform;for only 25% shave off the run time, it would not be worth it: 1695471;1502228570;asciilifeform;however, the difference becomes more serious when operating with smaller words 1695472;1502228588;asciilifeform;(i.e. on archs with smaller bitness) 1695473;1502228594;asciilifeform;in particular msdos. 1695474;1502228613;mod6;ah. 1695475;1502228662;mod6;smaller word size creates more iterations eh? 1695476;1502228669;asciilifeform;aha. 1695477;1502228674;mod6;gotcha 1695478;1502228679;asciilifeform;the O(N^2) algos cost moar then. 1695479;1502228811;asciilifeform;currently i suspect that this thing is at the theoretical limit of performance you can get without doing something nonportable. 1695480;1502228962;*;asciilifeform bbl 1695481;1502231101;BingoBoingo;!!up PeterL 1695482;1502231101;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695483;1502231412;BingoBoingo;Today's Trilema re-read http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/ 1695484;1502232232;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/08/blackzillas-first-track-day/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Blackzilla’s first track day. 1695485;1502233585;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1695486;1502233586;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 479724 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 83 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 12 hours, 9 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1695487;1502233601;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency gbp 1695488;1502233615;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 2648.7846, vol: 15703.77823166 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 2648.320052, vol: 18271.56640000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 2680.0, vol: 141.22947295 | Volume-weighted last average: 2648.66502512 1695489;1502233617;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency eur 1695490;1502233631;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 2925.358992, vol: 15697.62274649 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 2903.721268, vol: 18272.26640000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 2938.933, vol: 12455.6515153 | Volume-weighted last average: 2920.48458148 1695491;1502233633;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1695492;1502233646;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 22983.49, vol: 18274.21640000 | Volume-weighted last average: 22983.49 1695493;1502233648;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency usd 1695494;1502233663;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3439.98, vol: 15694.23335439 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3446.2, vol: 32199.12086972 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3426.838359, vol: 18275.05640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3459.1, vol: 7345.70636087 | Volume-weighted last average: 3441.34795776 1695495;1502233742;*;BingoBoingo proposes s/doldrums/dollardrums 1695496;1502234642;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695413 << the quality of this summer of forks fails to impress. 1695497;1502234642;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 17:26 BingoBoingo: And the Powah Rangahs have turned hard against Silberts 2 MB fork https://archive.is/4hevE 1695498;1502234765;mircea_popescu;PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695421 << is this supposed to interface with sina's item ? 1695499;1502234765;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 18:55 PeterL: so I felt like taking a stab at gossipd, take a look? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ul3Op/?raw=true 1695500;1502235049;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695453 << you have to. we'd be the first people to move to a cheaper test algo if this was feasible, in tmsr-pgp etc. but as he correctly points out, most of the keys you make are weak. an important point to consider here is weakness propagation : one weak key can potentially expose other key exchanges, resulting in a chain of (unknowingly) lost secrecy. the design will have it ablate over t 1695501;1502235049;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 19:19 PeterL: ok, so if I switch the primality algorithm, what do you think of the rest of it? 1695502;1502235049;mircea_popescu;ime, but the only guarantee the design provides is that it will die out EVENTUALLY. for all you know it can survive years through sheer chance. so weak keys are a very serious potential problem for gossipd. 1695503;1502235132;mircea_popescu;PeterL +MAXMESSAGE = << how did you derive the magic number ? 1695504;1502235192;mircea_popescu;PeterL +# IMPORTANT NOTE: if the cs is too small, messages have a chance to get decrypted by the wrong key << what is the logic behind this ? 1695505;1502235282;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695470 << it is actually worth it, the code is not that lengthy. 1695506;1502235282;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 21:42 asciilifeform: for only 25% shave off the run time, it would not be worth it: 1695507;1502235847;mircea_popescu;and in typical medium success stories, https://medium.com/@andreaarmstead16/how-i-become-a-bona-fide-member-of-the-great-illuminati-1ee9eed25ea3 1695508;1502236255;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695463 << i realized that this might not be true : the (empirically found, but seems to hold on all of my iron) threshhold for karatsuba +ev is > 8 words : 1695509;1502236255;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 21:28 asciilifeform: this is as good as it's gonna get without committing atrocities ( asm , parallelism, etc ) 1695510;1502236268;mircea_popescu;aha. 1695511;1502236272;asciilifeform;it thereby follows that i could unroll comba into explicit cases from 1 to 8 words 1695512;1502236289;mircea_popescu;or at leasty 1 to 7, last one isn't so bad 1695513;1502236292;asciilifeform;however this would lengthen the program, and introduce 7 new algos to prove correctness of 1695514;1502236295;asciilifeform;rather than 1. 1695515;1502236311;mircea_popescu;actually something like "is x unrolling of y" should be machine-provable. 1695516;1502236319;asciilifeform;sadly nope 1695517;1502236327;asciilifeform;veeeeery little is actually machine-provable. 1695518;1502236333;asciilifeform;that anything at all is, is a marvel. 1695519;1502236343;asciilifeform;hence why i went for man-provables. 1695520;1502236406;mircea_popescu;mmm 1695521;1502236483;mircea_popescu;do you mean actual loop unrolling, or do yo umean, by-hand optimized/rewritten equivalernt code ? 1695522;1502236489;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PjGRp/?raw=true << current multers and squarers, for illustration 1695523;1502236497;asciilifeform;( items published previously, omitted for clarity ) 1695524;1502236522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even the simpler, the former 1695525;1502236523;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695496 << For real, makes XTCoin seem like it had support 1695526;1502236523;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 23:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695413 << the quality of this summer of forks fails to impress. 1695527;1502236529;mircea_popescu;i thought that's done automatically already, in formal verification 1695528;1502236539;mircea_popescu;if not even this works, what is "proving" supposed to mean when they talk of it ? 1695529;1502236556;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very bare naked things, like bounds 1695530;1502236564;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to say "carpentry is not very efificent, they need hammers", but the case here seems to be more of a "carpentry does not exist, they require gas planks, which can't exist" 1695531;1502236678;asciilifeform;now wouldja believe i spent 3 wks trying to eliminate the if N mod 2 = 0 ... condition in Square_Comba 1695532;1502236690;asciilifeform;N isn't a secret nor does it vary with payload, it is the digit iterator, 1695533;1502236691;mircea_popescu;i recall. 1695534;1502236705;asciilifeform;but the branch blows the lookahead and slows 1695535;1502236727;asciilifeform;however it does not seem possible to do without it. but i have not proven this impossibility. 1695536;1502236739;asciilifeform;if anybody thinks he can -- plox to write in. 1695537;1502236790;asciilifeform;( thing still runs in constant time: N always walks the range of 1 to last digit of the width of our ffa ) 1695538;1502237128;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in lulz for alf, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1959633.msg19501495#msg19501495 1695539;1502237149;asciilifeform;pretty great 1695540;1502237164;asciilifeform;intel found these ? 1695541;1502237186;mircea_popescu;aha. well technically, i found them because got bored today and dug into older reports in moar detail. 1695542;1502237226;mircea_popescu;baccalaureatelifeform. i chuckled. 1695543;1502237236;asciilifeform;'They are diversified in eth already.' << didjaknow ! 1695544;1502237245;mircea_popescu;lol 1695545;1502237257;mircea_popescu;hey, rape is diversification. 1695546;1502237296;asciilifeform;srsly comedy gold. betcha there's more of these, somewhere deep in the sewers 1695547;1502237324;mircea_popescu;o there's tons, yeah. mn words/day outpour. 1695548;1502237352;asciilifeform;also i thought mention of mp/trb/et al were a hangin' offense at tardstalk 1695549;1502237381;mircea_popescu;eh, the problem with "the people themselves" is they can't stick to anything. 1695550;1502237397;asciilifeform;evident 1695551;1502237466;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's not just mp, y'all famous. liek https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2021010.0 etc 1695552;1502237488;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2021010.msg20138034#msg20138034 to be precise. 1695553;1502237595;mircea_popescu;and also in moar antique lulz, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330553.0 1695554;1502237645;mircea_popescu;(liek, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330553.msg15354026#msg15354026 to be precise again) 1695555;1502237670;BingoBoingo;My favortie part is "MP preventing Segwit" when instead the power rangers were compelled to Segwit a certain way leaving Bitcoin alone. 1695556;1502237696;mircea_popescu;all comes down to "what are you gonna tattoo, world too complex" 1695557;1502237824;BingoBoingo;Eh, tattoo yourself all black play transracism card 1695558;1502237838;mircea_popescu;a right, actually, there's one, the queen of spades eh. 1695559;1502237849;mircea_popescu;~only angloword / herdemocracy meaningful tattoo. 1695560;1502237914;asciilifeform;eh there's also that one they put near the arse, devil stoking a furnace 1695561;1502237927;mircea_popescu;but what's it mean ? 1695562;1502237935;asciilifeform;means pierced-pederast 1695563;1502237949;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. but not rly angloworld that is it. 1695564;1502237956;asciilifeform;no but oughta be. 1695565;1502237958;mircea_popescu;elsewhere in the rotting pile, "If a function is inlined 10 times, there will be 10 copies of the function inserted into the code. Hence inlining is best for small functions that are called often." 1695566;1502237980;mircea_popescu;because, you see, the "phd level" wikitards are entirely bereft of a clue to the degree of not understanding inflexions AT ALL. 1695567;1502237992;asciilifeform;they also apparently never bother to actually profile 1695568;1502237998;mircea_popescu;why the fuck should it be "called often", when obviously all the functions that are called ONCE are inlined by default! 1695569;1502238026;asciilifeform;( every single inline pragma in ffa is there because without it, stat. signif. uptick in run time on all of my iron ) 1695570;1502238033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but that takes you know, like actual tools. whereas nude reason of a kid posessed of high school maths would have allowed the correct limit be picked. 1695571;1502238052;mircea_popescu;but they don't do lim f(x) for x->k thing anymore as 15yos do they. 1695572;1502238063;asciilifeform;not in monkeystan 1695573;1502238075;mircea_popescu;"advanced" maths of basic calculus. "not needed --- what use is it IN LIFE ???" 1695574;1502238085;mircea_popescu;i dunno dumbsticks, maybe youy don't make a fool of yourself in prose. 1695575;1502238447;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "ladies with an attitude (and really nice tits)", http://68.media.tumblr.com/4a361c779a8bbdac8db619d5af316e35/tumblr_ni9kq40prH1s8qd8oo1_500.gif 1695576;1502238729;asciilifeform;'could you please explain (in detail) how they plan to scale bitcoin' ahahahaha 1695577;1502238743;asciilifeform;they oughta sell tickets, to watch this 1695578;1502238804;asciilifeform;but also didjaknow, 'but what they can do is, after a hardfork happens, they could buy all the coins that the MP and the rest of whales dump into the market to try to kill the fork, and not only that, but they could pump it even higher by simply printing more money and pumping the price of "gavincoin" above legacy chain. what then' 1695579;1502238859;asciilifeform;( why not usg peg of trillion $ per gavincoin ! why think so small. ) 1695580;1502238996;mircea_popescu;i see you're enjoying. 1695581;1502239000;asciilifeform;while we're at it, why not yet a trillion $ / per peg on obummer's used knickers 1695582;1502239005;asciilifeform;solve national debt... 1695583;1502239057;mircea_popescu;in other "people themselves" : charlize theron's character in atomic blue (this borderline sleeve superheroine-spy of a retro-hallucinated 90s, as in the real 90s the us agents got fucking raped in eeurope/berlin) is SO FUCKING HOT she takes baths in iced water. 1695584;1502239073;mircea_popescu;to drive this point home, they have her fish out a coupla cubes put them in a glass before pouring vodka 1695585;1502239091;mircea_popescu;because you know, nobody serious drinks vodka without ice, and bathwater really makes the best samagon. 1695586;1502239135;mircea_popescu;such a lulzy fucking scene considering the usistani history in both involuntary self-crit humor and bathtub alcohol it's practically an un-unrollable loop of funny. 1695587;1502239176;asciilifeform;gotta make sure to scoop from the right bathtub tho. wouldn't want to drink benjies from benjie tub 1695588;1502239191;mircea_popescu;i think those are for smoking. 1695589;1502239200;mircea_popescu;cigar lighting at any rate, something. 1695590;1502239209;asciilifeform;aahyes. 1695591;1502239220;asciilifeform;'...he didn't rip people off. 1695592;1502239222;mircea_popescu;gotta use the right tool for the job, bacalaureatealf. 1695593;1502239225;asciilifeform;No one else did. Not theymos, not knighmb, not pirate, not silbert, not Jihan Wu. Not satoshi or asciilifeform. 1695594;1502239228;asciilifeform;' 1695595;1502239231;asciilifeform;gold 1695596;1502239419;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, ro still has sex at concerts ( http://www.stiridecluj.ro/divertisment/sex-la-untold-cluj-doi-tineri-s-au-incins-prea-tare-video ) to everyone's shock and awe. 1695597;1502239454;asciilifeform;'this video is unavailable' 1695598;1502239462;mircea_popescu;hm. 1695599;1502239477;asciilifeform;nm loads from direct link 1695600;1502239485;asciilifeform;but... censored nao 1695601;1502239493;asciilifeform;( pixel blob instead of subj ) 1695602;1502239527;mircea_popescu;there probably was a cock or some other radioactive material. 1695603;1502239914;mircea_popescu;in other mild lulz, it seems the albania-serbia-macedonia pressure is slowly mounting. with any luck, 3rd kosovo war. 1695604;1502240269;mircea_popescu;https://www.tvfagaras.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/media_136471005390712700.jpg <<< supposedly, angela merkel with a coupla friends, at romanian nudist beach (costinesti) in teh 80s. 1695605;1502240305;mircea_popescu;the obvious question being, "how come the ugly one ends up a fiat politician ?" ; and the obvious answer being that sane girls find better shit to do. 1695606;1502240421;asciilifeform;oh before i fughet, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695461 benchmark is 0.8s on crapple shitbook, and 2.52s on ye olde workhorse x60 1695607;1502240421;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 21:28 asciilifeform: in other noose, mod6 , phf , et al : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681208 nao 1.5s . ( this with karasbuba-squaring used in exp, and comba-squaring used as base case in the former. ) 1695608;1502240435;asciilifeform;( 1.5s -- opteron 3Ghz ) 1695609;1502242832;mircea_popescu;!!key Scout_ 1695610;1502242832;deedbot;Not registered. 1695611;1502243747;mod6;evenin' 1695612;1502243767;shinohai;hey mod6 1695613;1502243800;mod6;hi :] 1695614;1502249846;BingoBoingo;lol "M. Poopscoop provides a solid foundation to comedy gold. With the current pace of events, in particular coinbase and the DPR trail he doesn't get as much laughs as he used to. I don't have the impression that is going to change anytime soon with the comedy features at an ATH." << The studious ignoring highlighted 1695615;1502249953;BingoBoingo;From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=942404.msg10324985#msg10324985 1695616;1502249980;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is that like 2013 ? 1695617;1502249992;BingoBoingo;2015 through 2016 1695618;1502249997;mircea_popescu;ah 1695619;1502250024;BingoBoingo;http://deedbot.org/deed-393913-1.txt 1695620;1502250054;mircea_popescu;that's jan 2014 1695621;1502250076;BingoBoingo;The thread runs for a while 1695622;1502250214;BingoBoingo;Some things never change https://archive.is/BbRh5 1695623;1502250871;BingoBoingo;In still further nostalgia https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/2049247 1695624;1502251844;asciilifeform;in other quiteolds, http://werner-heisenberg.unh.edu/diary.htm 1695625;1502252226;BingoBoingo;"The chickens on the lower floor bother me a little, though their usefulness makes sense to me in every way." << What redditard would accept this compromise! 1695626;1502252345;BingoBoingo;"In Urfeld it turns out that over night the garden was trampled by deer." << Who could have predicted free food would just walk by and make a mess of your labor food. 1695627;1502252666;shinohai;Venison + Salad .... mmmmmmm 1695628;1502253842;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> meanwhile in lulz for alf, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1959633.msg19501495#msg19501495 << HEH 1695629;1502254106;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/a-list-of-known-bitcoin-ransom-cases/ << Qntra - A List Of Known Bitcoin Ransom Cases 1695630;1502254109;BingoBoingo;!~later tell cazalla ty 1695631;1502254109;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1695632;1502259273;BingoBoingo;!!up edivad 1695633;1502259273;deedbot;edivad voiced for 30 minutes. 1695634;1502259309;edivad;hallo 1695635;1502259330;edivad;i'm a junior sysadmin trying to install trb on my VPS without success 1695636;1502259349;mircea_popescu;specifically ? 1695637;1502259358;edivad;https://thepasteb.in/p/P1hvEKZkQp3Sl 1695638;1502259451;edivad;fwiv it seems that V download seals and patches but then the bitcoin source code is not included, and i should gather it on my own? 1695639;1502259479;mircea_popescu;are you using what, mod6 's recipe ? 1695640;1502259505;edivad;yes, following these instructions since the beginning: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html 1695641;1502259514;edivad;tried both online and offline mode, with zero luck 1695642;1502259553;mircea_popescu;did you do 0x09, gathered vpatches ? 1695643;1502259569;edivad;yes 1695644;1502259676;mircea_popescu;mod6 did a u160 test item end up stranded in there ? 1695645;1502259696;mircea_popescu;edivad this is somewhat odd as i recently had a new node configured, came out just fine. 1695646;1502259713;edivad;tried also yestereday to troubleshoot with mod6, (there was another issue related to the locale of my OS, then fixed with him), but now i'm stuck at 0x0B 1695647;1502259737;mircea_popescu;seems you're missing a file for some reason. 1695648;1502259739;edivad;i'm on ubuntu 16.04, fresh installation 1695649;1502259797;mircea_popescu;that wouldn't do anything. 1695650;1502259823;trinque;> patch: not found 1695651;1502259837;edivad;maybe it's just a permission problem? 1695652;1502259845;trinque;no, you're missing the utility patch. 1695653;1502259856;mircea_popescu;doh. 1695654;1502259866;mircea_popescu;edivad sudo apt get patch eh. 1695655;1502259892;edivad;was an assumption in the tutorial? 1695656;1502259909;mircea_popescu;well, it's technically part of core linux, but apparently they ship systems without. 1695657;1502259934;mircea_popescu;will prolly have to add patch to the pile at the end eh. 1695658;1502259955;edivad;patch is already the newest version (2.7.5-1). 1695659;1502259981;mircea_popescu;i have 2.6 1695660;1502259989;mircea_popescu;edivad can you run it from command line ? 1695661;1502260012;edivad;yes 1695662;1502260041;mircea_popescu;this is bizarre. try the actual line from the .sh that fails ? (prolly the first one to string match "patch") ? 1695663;1502260130;edivad;guys, i'm gonna having asap my usual generous amount of morning coffee, since i was typing in the wrong VPS 1695664;1502260140;mircea_popescu;lol! 1695665;1502260145;edivad;now just installed patch on the right vps 1695666;1502260148;trinque;loller 1695667;1502260157;mircea_popescu;ah so okay. that makes more sense then. 1695668;1502260172;*;mircea_popescu was bracing self for "o look, new version of patch, breaks downstream" lulz. 1695669;1502260175;edivad;gonna report even in case of success 1695670;1502260184;mircea_popescu;a sound policy. 1695671;1502260416;*;trinque to bed, to dream of tomorrow's generous amount of morning coffee 1695672;1502260423;mircea_popescu;enjoy. 1695673;1502260657;*;BingoBoingo wishes trinque a night with no strange knocks on door 1695674;1502260876;edivad;may I take advantage of my troubleshooting sign up into the channel to ask about tmsr? 1695675;1502260884;mircea_popescu;ask away 1695676;1502260902;edivad;thanks, basically i was reading the universal plan for wealth 1695677;1502260911;mircea_popescu;!!key edivad 1695678;1502260911;deedbot;Not registered. 1695679;1502260917;mircea_popescu;you can just register a key you know. 1695680;1502260924;edivad;!!key edivad 1695681;1502260924;deedbot;Not registered. 1695682;1502260936;mircea_popescu;!!help 1695683;1502260936;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1695684;1502260940;edivad;thanks 1695685;1502260954;edivad;nice 1695686;1502261145;BingoBoingo;!!up edivad 1695687;1502261145;deedbot;edivad voiced for 30 minutes. 1695688;1502261152;edivad;I know bitcoin since a couple of years and learned the hard way how to protect my funds and stay away from scams. Now I finally got into the sweet spot where I realized how many orders of magnitude my savings are safer in bitcoins 1695689;1502261172;edivad;Then after this "sweet spot", also the universal plan for wealth makes sense to me 1695690;1502261183;mircea_popescu;so good for you. 1695691;1502261261;BingoBoingo;edivad: Ah, so at this point reading into TMSR history will be very beneficial for girding yourself against long cons and other social engineering attempts against your wealth and your self. 1695692;1502261406;edivad;but my question is: as a student without a regular jub, should I need to a aim at a minimum wage job, to possibly apply for credit and then fly away to a second/third word country, get a decent house, marry and reproduce? 1695693;1502261424;mircea_popescu;how is another man going to answer that question for you ? 1695694;1502261483;edivad;or there is a better way to get credit, without harming finance of my family (so not asking to them to put collaterals for my loans) 1695695;1502261635;mircea_popescu;this is how growing up goes : you take stock of situation, you make a plan, you implement it. 1695696;1502261673;BingoBoingo;edivad: Which socialist hellhole do you reside in now? 1695697;1502261695;edivad;mircea_popescu: because the universal plan for wealth makes some great guidelines, but then since every situation is different, I'm trying to understand if there is a better approach for who hasn't already a job and is studying 1695698;1502261705;edivad;BingoBoingo: italy 1695699;1502261758;BingoBoingo;Have you considered working construction? 1695700;1502261781;mircea_popescu;what are they to build in italy ? 1695701;1502261792;BingoBoingo;STADIUMS! 1695702;1502261825;BingoBoingo;For the latest wave of Vandals! 1695703;1502261906;edivad;in this summer holidays aside of ruinous altcoin trading I've done some painter job paid 5 euros/hour 1695704;1502261954;edivad;since it was the first work experience, I was even able to enjoy it 1695705;1502262012;edivad;but then after a month i realized that I was needing a better plan 1695706;1502262022;mircea_popescu;i can see that heh 1695707;1502262078;BingoBoingo;Painting done well is a perfectly respectable trade. 1695708;1502262116;BingoBoingo;And it's a rather portable skill 1695709;1502262148;edivad;well, I have a spare brazilian passport in the drawer, so when I've read the universal plan, I instantly got some very powerful energy for a future exit plan 1695710;1502262280;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/y-combinator-startups-begin-overt-political-discrimination/ << Qntra - Y Combinator Startups Begin Overt Political Discrimination 1695711;1502262507;edivad;now that i've registered my pgp key, should i be able to authenticate signing something? 1695712;1502262530;BingoBoingo;edivad: Just remember that hunger can be the most devious thief of all as evidenced by kakobrekla's 500 BTC car. Every situation is different, but many of them rhyme. 1695713;1502262546;BingoBoingo;edivad: You authenticate by decrypting something. 1695714;1502262599;edivad;OK 1695715;1502262614;mircea_popescu;and in random other lulz : it's funny how the libertards worshipping at the watergate shrine usually omit to mention that by then washington post had been a libel tabloid for years. somehow dillard stokes' name never comes up. somehow they don't seem to notice it always was simply us sturmer. 1695716;1502262652;edivad;make[3]: c: Command not found 1695717;1502262664;edivad;in this case what is missing? 1695718;1502262679;mircea_popescu;gcc ? 1695719;1502262708;edivad;gcc is already the newest version (4:5.3.1-1ubuntu1). 1695720;1502262737;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2017/08/a-list-of-known-bitcoin-ransom-cases/#comment-107260 1695721;1502262743;BingoBoingo;!!up bounce 1695722;1502262744;deedbot;bounce voiced for 30 minutes. 1695723;1502262771;mircea_popescu;edivad your makefile is getting mangled somewhere. 1695724;1502262817;edivad;let me copy the entire error log 1695725;1502262847;edivad;https://thepasteb.in/p/BghP57zQGWycY 1695726;1502262983;BingoBoingo;!!up edivad 1695727;1502262983;deedbot;edivad voiced for 30 minutes. 1695728;1502263002;edivad;tried now to install the common bitcoin core dependencies with apt 1695729;1502263008;edivad;but no luck 1695730;1502263058;edivad;when i'll login again in IRC, what command should i use to authenticate? 1695731;1502263095;mircea_popescu;!!key edivad 1695732;1502263097;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/2774E3A42199C93B528647ECD19963F9A5C443AC.asc 1695733;1502263102;mircea_popescu;use !!v in pm to deedbot. 1695734;1502263116;mircea_popescu;!!rate edivad 1 painter/student 1695735;1502263118;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/brgvw/?raw=true 1695736;1502263179;edivad;let me try 1695737;1502263179;mircea_popescu;and in other civilised behaviours : always remember to hold pinky elevated! http://68.media.tumblr.com/e0686d449baf8a8d73a2199a83f7780c/tumblr_o1f357D0Zh1sr105eo1_1280.jpg 1695738;1502263299;BingoBoingo;!!up edivad 1695739;1502263300;deedbot;edivad voiced for 30 minutes. 1695740;1502263305;BingoBoingo;!!key edivad 1695741;1502263307;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/2774E3A42199C93B528647ECD19963F9A5C443AC.asc 1695742;1502263309;mircea_popescu;lol nothing works for this guy does it. 1695743;1502263407;BingoBoingo;!~later tell trinque maybe look into the edivad deedbot registration thing? Guy is having a hard time 1695744;1502263407;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1695745;1502263430;mircea_popescu;edivad do it here. 1695746;1502263447;edivad;ok 1695747;1502263455;edivad;!!v 1695748;1502263463;mircea_popescu;... 1695749;1502263468;mircea_popescu;read the help would you. 1695750;1502263530;edivad;!!up 1695751;1502263533;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WQBqO/?raw=true 1695752;1502263713;edivad;!!v 47E94847E0937D49A0D0EBF20F880C396B416F19177CCDCF756E42A74558A76B 1695753;1502263714;deedbot;You are now voiced in #trilema 1695754;1502263720;edivad;wow :) 1695755;1502263750;edivad;thanks BingoBoingo for the help 1695756;1502263920;BingoBoingo;you are welcome 1695757;1502263937;edivad;a thing that i've not asked and now i remembered 1695758;1502263976;edivad;is allowed/polite to scrape all the btcbase.org/log website? 1695759;1502264004;mircea_popescu;you could just make your own logger. 1695760;1502264039;edivad;I've done it yesterday for a friend that asked me a dvd with the logs inside, to read them when on holiday with no internet access 1695761;1502264069;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with it. 1695762;1502264095;mircea_popescu;they also end up on archive.is, because the bot archives links and the odds of a whole day going by without a single log reference are small. 1695763;1502264142;edivad;ok thanks, intially i thought that maybe doing 400-500 mb of http traffic could be seen as a bad thing 1695764;1502264174;mircea_popescu;well so if you thought that you could have asked before rather than after eh. 1695765;1502264215;mircea_popescu;anyway, forward your thanks to phf for allowing your exericse. 1695766;1502264220;edivad;i know, it wasn't a smart move, but if you see a spike of traffic now you know that it wasn't a ddos attempt 1695767;1502264252;mircea_popescu;i don't maintain btcbase ; phf does. 1695768;1502264298;*;mircea_popescu bbl 1695769;1502264304;edivad;phf: so, sorry for not having asked before 1695770;1502264432;*;BingoBoingo unsure phf really will notice one complete scrape 1695771;1502264502;edivad;it was about 250 mb iirc 1695772;1502264525;edivad;but i've done two times becouse the first has gone wrongly to the standard output 1695773;1502265254;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B47B72AF088972BB3797D9E788CB4552536D6536CAB9BD720FAC499CC89527BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1537...4537 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.48.108.183 (ssh-rsa key from 210.48.108.183 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (gordon.mostfm.com. NZ AUK) 1695774;1502265254;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B47B72AF088972BB3797D9E788CB4552536D6536CAB9BD720FAC499CC89527BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1781...1313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.48.108.183 (ssh-rsa key from 210.48.108.183 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (gordon.mostfm.com. NZ AUK) 1695775;1502287593;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1695776;1502287594;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695777;1502287597;mircea_popescu;what happened to your key ? 1695778;1502287619;PeterL;hi, thanks for the !!up, my key is on another computer 1695779;1502287628;mircea_popescu;aite 1695780;1502287647;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695498 << this is completely unrelated to sina's item 1695781;1502287647;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 23:26 mircea_popescu: PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695421 << is this supposed to interface with sina's item ? 1695782;1502287673;mircea_popescu;alright 1695783;1502287684;PeterL;I looked at miller-rabin, and switching over to that algorithim is quite simple 1695784;1502287702;mircea_popescu;found a c impl somewhere ? 1695785;1502287750;PeterL;I tested the fermat test, and with 100 numbers of 1024 bits deemed prime by the fermat test, 50 were found to be composite by miller-rabin 1695786;1502287784;mircea_popescu;aha. 1695787;1502287786;PeterL;so yes, using the fermat test would be bad 1695788;1502287802;mircea_popescu;and mind that m-r is a ~probabilistic~ test. 1695789;1502287807;mircea_popescu;you gotta have the params set correctly 1695790;1502287870;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695504 << so the program goes through the keys and checks the decryption against each challenge-string 1695791;1502287870;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 23:33 mircea_popescu: PeterL +# IMPORTANT NOTE: if the cs is too small, messages have a chance to get decrypted by the wrong key << what is the logic behind this ? 1695792;1502287888;PeterL;if you have a 0 byte cs, then every message looks good 1695793;1502287902;mircea_popescu;um. 1695794;1502287921;PeterL;using the wrong key will result in a random byte string, so with a cs of 1 byte, you have 1/256 chance of looking like it was the right key 1695795;1502287927;mircea_popescu;0 length isn't usually what one thinks of when seeing "too small". same istrue if 1 byte string ? 1695796;1502287946;mircea_popescu;uh. 1695797;1502287969;PeterL;so I guess "too small" would be something like two or less? 1695798;1502288051;PeterL;not that using the wrong key will give you the plaintext message, but that if it uses the wrong key and happens to match the cs for that key, it will pass the pile of garbage on to all the peers 1695799;1502288060;mircea_popescu;so you are telling me that m ^ e ^ d mod n always has an integer solution for randomly chosen parameters. 1695800;1502288098;PeterL;well, won't that calculation always result in an integer? 1695801;1502288130;mircea_popescu;yes, but would that integer then also be m ? 1695802;1502288160;PeterL;oh, wait, no, I didn't see the extra ^ e in there 1695803;1502288164;mircea_popescu;this is the basis of rsa : m ^ e ^ d = m mod n 1695804;1502288204;mircea_popescu;or how shall i best put it, that's not equality but modulo congruence. whereby 7 = 5 mod 2 1695805;1502288265;PeterL;if you have an encrypted text c, then c ^ d mod n will give an integer, without previously knowing m, how will you check for congruence? 1695806;1502288610;mircea_popescu;PeterL the logical approach would be to include a checksum neh ? 1695807;1502288684;mircea_popescu;https://www.ti89.com/cryptotut/rsa3.htm << very handy rsa tutorial in that it uses base 10 and alphabet-indexing for letters. so one can actually rsa by hand and get a good model of what's going on. 1695808;1502288694;PeterL;aha, that seems like a logical solution. 1695809;1502288732;mircea_popescu;PeterL the broader point here being that you can't warn the user about things he can't control. you gotta provide for it yourself. 1695810;1502288962;mircea_popescu;PeterL the other problem this discussion reveals, of course, is that you aren't using any padding ? 1695811;1502289100;PeterL;this is the padding algorithm described by alf: take random bits r and message x, encrypt r to key A and encrypt (r XOR x) to key B 1695812;1502289128;mod6;edivad's environment is indeed some sort of non-developer version of linux that has almost no tools pre-installed. also, had some non-english version, which my V does not work with. Yesterday asked him to remove gpg v2, and install v1.4.10. 1695813;1502289136;mircea_popescu;PeterL and then you add key A and B to the message at the end so recipient can un-pad ? 1695814;1502289146;mod6;These problems should be resolved once sane environment is achieved. 1695815;1502289165;PeterL;no, recipient goes through his list of keys A and B until he finds the one that decrypts it 1695816;1502289169;mircea_popescu;... 1695817;1502289176;mircea_popescu;i think you misconstrue alf's padding algo. 1695818;1502289192;PeterL;that is also possible 1695819;1502289206;mod6;meanwwhile, I'll add a preface to the HOWTO doc on the minimum requirements. thanks to diana_coman for gathering them up once upon a time. 1695820;1502289218;mircea_popescu;now : textbook rsa (the sort of thing you seem to be discussing, above) has no semantic security and on top of that is malleable. 1695821;1502289229;mircea_popescu;it's not useful in the field. 1695822;1502289243;PeterL;that is what we were trying to fix, no? 1695823;1502289255;mircea_popescu;long fixed problem, so not really. 1695824;1502289328;mircea_popescu;now, alf's scheme is probably valid padding, though it is very expensive. it works like so : to encrypt a message m to key X, you : a) generate two one-time keys, A and B. you encrypt some bits of m to A and some to B, randomly chosen. you pile together : the bits of m encrypted with A, the bits of m encrypted with B, the schedule of which is which, and the keys A and B into one large m' 1695825;1502289336;mircea_popescu;and THAT you then encrypt to key X and send ove.r 1695826;1502289382;mircea_popescu;what gpg normally uses is called OAEP 1695827;1502289406;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1695828;1502289406;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695829;1502289421;mircea_popescu;it's a sort of two-box permutation thing. 1695830;1502289512;mircea_popescu;basically it takes a random string, jumbles it with the original message, and spits out two halves. the hope with it is that it provides all-or-nothing security, in the sense that to recover any bit of the message you need to correctly process the entire pair of jumbled strings. 1695831;1502289615;PeterL;this thing? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613906 1695832;1502289615;a111;Logged on 2017-02-14 19:19 asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r 1695833;1502289661;mircea_popescu;similar, but not exactly. 1695834;1502289777;mircea_popescu;oaep works like this : given hash and hash' hash functions, calculate X as hash(m00) xor G(r) and Y = r xor hash'(X). 1695835;1502289882;mircea_popescu;because hash and hash' are used to stretch/reduce the bitlength of their parameters, something like mpfhf (which permits arbitrary sized outputs/inputs) could work well ; but is also slow. 1695836;1502289905;mircea_popescu;and besides, not muchly tested yet. 1695837;1502289980;mircea_popescu;and upstream, to make clear what "semantic security" means : rsa is deterministic, if i wish to see if your "encrypted" string really was message m, all i have to do is encrypt m myself. if the results match i have cryptographic confirmation. 1695838;1502290031;PeterL;is that a good thing? 1695839;1502290049;mircea_popescu;(and, of course, for short messages ie shorter than n i can just compute the e-root). 1695840;1502290058;mircea_popescu;PeterL terrible, terrible thing, which is why irl rsa is always padded. 1695841;1502290190;mircea_popescu;and since we're apparently doing rsa likbez : if r used in padding above contributes less than n / e^2 bits of entropy to the final, padded message, coppersmith has a few words to tell you. 1695842;1502290200;mircea_popescu;(and they are http://www.di.ens.fr/~fouque/ens-rennes/coppersmith.pdf ) 1695843;1502290344;PeterL;mircea_popescu linking to a pdf, what is the world coming to!? 1695844;1502290349;mircea_popescu;i know right ? 1695845;1502290546;PeterL;in " n / e^2 bits of entropy ", what are n and e, the key modulus and exponent? 1695846;1502290553;mircea_popescu;yes. 1695847;1502291074;PeterL;do you mean the bitsize of n and e, or the actual numbers? 1695848;1502291257;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1695849;1502291258;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695850;1502291280;mircea_popescu;i mean the bitsize ; it's not just that though, partially known secrets, low exponents etc all conspire to empwer the latice reduction. 1695851;1502291320;PeterL;how low is low for an exponent? 1695852;1502291346;PeterL;and what partially known secrets here? 1695853;1502291444;PeterL;is 65537 big enough for an exponent? 1695854;1502291527;mircea_popescu;3, generally. that, you never know. yeah. 1695855;1502293791;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/se-vende-joyeria-fina/ << Trilema - Se Vende Joyeria Fina 1695856;1502294323;mircea_popescu;anyway, let it be said that there's nothing wrong with oaep as far as we know, but for the sake of argument a mpfhf based padding scheme would conceivably work like this : 1. given message m, of length l, generate r = random bits, of length l' up to l but not less than 256 bits. 2. compose m' = r + m + c (in that order), where c is l - l` (and its bitness is always same as the bitness of len(m')-256). 3. compose Pm = R + S + 1695857;1502294323;mircea_popescu;c (in that order), where R and S are produced by mpfhf(m') with R len set to c (bitness same as bitness of len(Pm). Pm will be the padded message sent to RSA. The recipient will have to undo mpfhf with known R and S to obtain m. 1695858;1502294366;mircea_popescu;this scheme is both slow and bulky. it is not likely useful for gossipd-style comms. it is certainly valuable for signing material, especially because rsa signature is much more padding-vulnerable than encryption ; and perhaps for some limited encryption work. 1695859;1502295250;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1695860;1502295250;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695861;1502295264;mircea_popescu;PeterL so if you feel like writing a mpfhf reverser... afaik nobody has to date. 1695862;1502298443;BingoBoingo;!!up PeterL 1695863;1502298443;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695864;1502298628;PeterL;I will check in later once I am back at my computer with my key to verify this conversation has been with the real PeterL 1695865;1502298686;PeterL;I will have a look at making a reversing function for the mpfhf 1695866;1502299352;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1695867;1502299370;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3298.67, vol: 13040.95962783 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3294.8, vol: 30614.16409473 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3325.733768, vol: 12852.97540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3337.978, vol: 6685.96834593 | Volume-weighted last average: 3306.45847118 1695868;1502299649;mircea_popescu;works 1695869;1502299839;PeterL;mircea_popescu: if l is less than 256, then l' = 256? 1695870;1502299907;PeterL;for your padding scheme above ^ 1695871;1502299908;mircea_popescu;no. l' = rnd(0, l) ; if l' < 256 l' = 256. 1695872;1502299939;mircea_popescu;and rnd(256, l) is not equivalent because who the fuck knows what rnd does when a > b. 1695873;1502299942;PeterL;so not more than rather than not less than 256 1695874;1502299950;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695792 << variably-sized packets are the mistake here. 1695875;1502299950;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 14:11 PeterL: if you have a 0 byte cs, then every message looks good 1695876;1502299950;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1695877;1502299970;asciilifeform;use fixed size. 1695878;1502299973;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was discussing a more general rsa scheme, not gossipd specifically. 1695879;1502299995;asciilifeform;aite, i'm walking the l0gz still 1695880;1502300002;mircea_popescu;but yes, for unrelated reasons fixed size is the right choice for gossipd. 1695881;1502300162;PeterL;asciilifeform, I am not sure I understand what you are getting at here 1695882;1502300175;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695799 << of course it does. rsa decrypt is c^d(mod n) , where c is ciphertext , n is public modulus, d is private exponent. 1695883;1502300175;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 14:14 mircea_popescu: so you are telling me that m ^ e ^ d mod n always has an integer solution for randomly chosen parameters. 1695884;1502300186;asciilifeform;this produces a solution always. 1695885;1502300201;asciilifeform;( but it will be rubbish if either of the 3 values is not the expected one) 1695886;1502300222;asciilifeform;PeterL: don't permit messages of any length but L. 1695887;1502300225;asciilifeform;L is e.g. 512. 1695888;1502300237;asciilifeform;not 1 byte more, not 1 less. 1695889;1502300259;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL 1695890;1502300259;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695891;1502300283;PeterL;right, my scheme was doing that 1695892;1502300306;asciilifeform;PeterL: so what was this : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695794 about ? 1695893;1502300306;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 14:12 PeterL: using the wrong key will result in a random byte string, so with a cs of 1 byte, you have 1/256 chance of looking like it was the right key 1695894;1502300364;PeterL;It checks to see if it is using the right key by comparing the decrypted text agains a pre-known challeng-string (cs) 1695895;1502300388;asciilifeform;so why on earth would you permit anything like a 1 or 0 byte string ?! 1695896;1502300391;PeterL;mircea_popescu suggested instead using a checksum 1695897;1502300409;asciilifeform;that's the more typical solution aha 1695898;1502300411;PeterL;who am I to stop people from sabotaging themselves? 1695899;1502300429;asciilifeform;PeterL: one of the most comical failure modes, ubiquitous in usg crypto, is the null cipher 1695900;1502300449;asciilifeform;where there is a ready-made 'shoot yourself in the head' button, conveniently under everywhere you might ever put your elbow 1695901;1502300455;asciilifeform;this is not to continue . 1695902;1502300479;PeterL;I see. 1695903;1502300636;PeterL;I am still learning here, the last time I came and said "how do I know if I have used the right key to decrypt it?" nobody suggested a checksum, now I will try to figure out how that would fit into the program 1695904;1502300683;asciilifeform;you have a substring S in every packet, that gotta equal H(rest of the packet) or whole thing discarded. 1695905;1502300704;asciilifeform;( importantly, the fact of said discard must not be discernible through timing side channel ) 1695906;1502300741;asciilifeform;requirement for H is more or less the opposite of mircea_popescu's hash exercise -- it gotta compute in fixed time. 1695907;1502300757;asciilifeform;( while otherwise quality hash. my current favourite for this is keccak's hash ) 1695908;1502300759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform man, you're mixing industrial process into educative discourse without any sort of rhyme or reason, resultin in some very confuysed and eventually frustrated people. 1695909;1502300781;erlehmann;PeterL 1. write grammar 2. ??? 3. never correct invalid input, nuke it from orbit instead 1695910;1502300783;asciilifeform;aite, i'ma let mircea_popescu handle pedagogical thread, brb 1695911;1502300820;mircea_popescu;don't even have to, but consider the context. yes "it's what rsa is", that's what i'm checking, that he knows. 1695912;1502300837;mircea_popescu;erlehmann wanna do that ? 1695913;1502300850;erlehmann;mircea_popescu nope. 1695914;1502300855;mircea_popescu;how come ? 1695915;1502300868;PeterL;so for longer messages, they will get cut into chunks. It it better to check the first chunk until you find the right key and then use it to dercypt the whole message, or do you want to decrypt the whole message with every key (to hide the fact you found a match)? 1695916;1502300900;mircea_popescu;PeterL the cutting into chunks should happen prior at some client level. it's ok if your think accepts no messagtes lonmger than x. irc doesn't either. 1695917;1502300907;mircea_popescu;your thing* 1695918;1502300948;PeterL;but I want to make longer messages possible 1695919;1502300953;mircea_popescu;why ? 1695920;1502300962;PeterL;why not? 1695921;1502300966;erlehmann;mircea_popescu it feels like work. i had that experience a few minutes ago, when i explained to a rando on the train the concept of non-existence dependencies. 1695922;1502300976;mircea_popescu;because udp packets if nothing else ; besides "longer" is not the same as endless. 1695923;1502301021;mircea_popescu;erlehmann so what, you're of a firm "will only work for evil empires" persuasion ? 1695924;1502301095;erlehmann;no, just tired 1695925;1502301166;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, /me went to open bank account today. you can not BELIEVE how fucking pussy whipped these people are. a) bank's only wire intermediary is bank of america. why ? uh... that's what the other banks do too. but... why ? umm... is it because you schmucks are a us colony, in the sense you don't get medicare and they still get all your shit anyway ? uhhhh 1695926;1502301176;PeterL;well, udp packet is alot bigger than the 512bytes that fit in a rsa packet, why waste all the space? 1695927;1502301186;mircea_popescu;b) they want to... "know your customers". bitch, it's none of your fucking business ? uh no, because ley so and so say so. 1695928;1502301198;asciilifeform;PeterL: 512 is really top limit of 'guaranteed nonfragment no matter what' 1695929;1502301205;mircea_popescu;im guessing i'll be taking ads in the local newspaper, "looking for lawyers willing to sue the government, apply within". 1695930;1502301219;mircea_popescu;PeterL how did you come uop with the 512 value ? 1695931;1502301230;asciilifeform;empirically 1695932;1502301231;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform damn. listen you! 1695933;1502301238;PeterL;do we need guarentee non-fragment ? 1695934;1502301266;PeterL;and if we are sending to key A and B, we will need 1024 bits for each segment anyway 1695935;1502301317;mircea_popescu;PeterL let's get back to cogency here. how did you come to the "512 rsa packet limit" ? 1695936;1502301347;PeterL;4096 bit key n, message needs to be smaller than that, right? 1695937;1502301359;mircea_popescu;nope. 1695938;1502301375;PeterL;well, shoot, I must be confused somewhere 1695939;1502301380;mircea_popescu;how did you get that idea ? 1695940;1502301413;mircea_popescu;pro tip : it is always a very useful thing to be able to reflect your own mental process, which starts with being able to answer "where i got this from". makes error handling much faster and infinitely more efficient. 1695941;1502301419;PeterL;c^d mod n = m, therefore m must be smaller than n? 1695942;1502301445;mircea_popescu;PeterL can you tell me anything about what the greeks used for encryption ? 1695943;1502301468;PeterL;not really, the ceasar cipher or something? 1695944;1502301501;mircea_popescu;well cesar was a roman, wasn't he ? the "technologically advanced" dorks that took the sail tech of the people who sailed from sweden to south africa and made some square sailed tubs that sunk in the mediterranean half the time. 1695945;1502301514;mircea_popescu;i mean actual strategoi of the ancient greece. 1695946;1502301531;mircea_popescu;!#s scytale 1695947;1502301533;a111;6 results for "scytale", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=scytale 1695948;1502301565;mircea_popescu;basically they had this early elliptic curve crypto, implemented as an arbitrary cone on which they wrapped a string. because the string is fixed length see, whereas the section of cone is not. 1695949;1502301590;mircea_popescu;make sense to you ? 1695950;1502301605;PeterL;alright, so the decryption relied on having an identical physical object? 1695951;1502301614;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1695952;1502301618;mircea_popescu;now, intuitively, would you imagine this worked at all if the string was so short it never fully wrapped ? 1695953;1502301618;PeterL;ok 1695954;1502301651;PeterL;hmm, no, it would have nothing to transpose to 1695955;1502301672;mircea_popescu;short messages are a problem for rsa, not a boon. this is generally fixed by padding. 1695956;1502301687;PeterL;ok, but how short is short? 1695957;1502301723;mircea_popescu;shorter than size of n, here. 1695958;1502301769;PeterL;I thought it was only bad if m^e was less than n? 1695959;1502301779;mircea_popescu;that's what i meant earlier with the e-root. if say your key is 1024 bits, and your exponent is 3, and your "encrypted" message is, numerically, 1404928, i can readily extract the cube root and find the original as 112. 1695960;1502301803;mircea_popescu;had there been a wrap, i couldn't have extracted the cube root [quite so easily] 1695961;1502301839;PeterL;right, I understand that part 1695962;1502301842;mircea_popescu;PeterL yes, there is that. larger e provides some protection agaisnt this issue. 1695963;1502301867;mircea_popescu;but in any case, the point is -- rsa is not better for shorter messages. for really short messages it can be really shitty. which is why my 256 minimum bits in the padding scheme. 1695964;1502301956;PeterL;alright, so my scheme pads everything to the length of the key, but as I understand it still has to be smaller than the key n? 1695965;1502301970;mircea_popescu;what it and why ? 1695966;1502301998;PeterL;because you are calculating a number mod n, so the result will therefore be smaller than n 1695967;1502302007;mircea_popescu;so ? 1695968;1502302018;mircea_popescu;that the result is smaller than n is of no consequence to you is it. 1695969;1502302019;PeterL;so you can't use a number larger than n 1695970;1502302024;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1695971;1502302037;PeterL;because the decryption is also a calculation mod n 1695972;1502302039;mircea_popescu;really, use that item i linked earlier. 1695973;1502302078;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695807 < 1695974;1502302078;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 14:24 mircea_popescu: https://www.ti89.com/cryptotut/rsa3.htm << very handy rsa tutorial in that it uses base 10 and alphabet-indexing for letters. so one can actually rsa by hand and get a good model of what's going on. 1695975;1502302080;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL 1695976;1502302080;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1695977;1502302087;mircea_popescu;do an example once, it's instructive. easy to follow because small numbers. 1695978;1502302130;PeterL;it looks like this thing is encrypting each character individually? 1695979;1502302138;mircea_popescu;it is. 1695980;1502302162;PeterL;so each character must have a value less than the n it is using, right? 1695981;1502302312;mircea_popescu;you mean, the modulus, p * q ? 1695982;1502302388;PeterL;yes 1695983;1502302412;mircea_popescu;right, solving will only find the lowest anyway. 1695984;1502302520;PeterL;so the message is larger than the key modulus, part of it will be lost when it is decrypted 1695985;1502302526;PeterL;so if ^ 1695986;1502302561;mircea_popescu;and so thereby a 4096 bit key can handle chunks of up to 512 bytes of message. 1695987;1502302575;PeterL;yes 1695988;1502302588;mircea_popescu;slightly less even. but anyway. 1695989;1502302609;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/bitcoin-network-mining-diffficulty-up-7-32-to-another-all-time-high-in-first-adjustment-after-roger-ver-ified-fork/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Diffficulty Up ~7.32% To Another All Time High In First Adjustment After Roger Ver-ified Fork 1695990;1502302620;mircea_popescu;PeterL and as asciilifeform aptly points out, this happens to be convenient, because it's right around the size of the nonfragmenting udp packet. 1695991;1502302681;mircea_popescu;(the precediny line was 146 characters, which is less trhan 146 bytes, especially if you do a lzw or something like sane people first) 1695992;1502302685;PeterL;and my scheme splits messages into r and m xor r, so I need 1024 bytes to pass the smallest message, which is already larger than the UDP "unfragmentation limit" of 512 bytes, so why stop there and not just let the message get longer by adding in some more chunks? 1695993;1502302748;PeterL;up to the limit of the size of a udp packet? 1695994;1502302754;asciilifeform;PeterL: think carefully, this is flawed logic 1695995;1502302766;asciilifeform;you don't ~have~ 1024 bytes 1695996;1502302774;PeterL;please, help me see the flaw? 1695997;1502302802;asciilifeform;ergo if you want to use the xor padding algo, you are stuck with payloads of half the size. 1695998;1502302846;PeterL;which would mean using keys of half the size, right? 1695999;1502302852;asciilifeform;not necessarily 1696000;1502302854;mircea_popescu;PeterL what is the scheme contemplated here, that you take a say 8 byte message, generate an 8 byte r, then create a 16 byte padded message by appending the r and the r xor m and then rsa that ? 1696001;1502302872;asciilifeform;( i will also note, the problem with allowing packet fragging is that frag reassembly is a Something-To-Allcomers operation . ) 1696002;1502303033;PeterL;mircea_popescu: but encrypting the r to one key and the r xor m to a second key, so you end up with two rsa-key-length segments 1696003;1502303049;mircea_popescu;ok, so then you also send 2, udp sized packets ? 1696004;1502303064;PeterL;well, I was putting it all in one udp packet 1696005;1502303114;mircea_popescu;yes, but we're examining why and whether you have to. 1696006;1502303164;PeterL;if they did not come together in one packet, then you would have to hold onto packets and try to match them up with their partner 1696007;1502303173;mircea_popescu;yes. 1696008;1502303178;PeterL;this seemed like it would be cleaner 1696009;1502303189;mircea_popescu;but even if you send them "together", there's no guarantee they stay unfragmented. not at that size. 1696010;1502303231;PeterL;(perhaps I misunderstand how udp packets get reassembled) 1696011;1502303245;mircea_popescu;as alf says : "something to all comers". primo target of ddos monkeys. 1696012;1502303304;PeterL;the other optin would be to use rsa keys of half the size, allowing only 256 byte messages 1696013;1502303324;mircea_popescu;you mean messages of half the size. 1696014;1502303354;PeterL;well, message still limited by key size, so yes 1696015;1502303479;mircea_popescu;so your gossiptron only accepts lines of up to 256 chars in length, then you lzw that and pad etc. not the end of the world. 1696016;1502303486;mircea_popescu;the rng consumption will be significant though. 1696017;1502303505;PeterL;but that 256 also has to carry stuff like user name 1696018;1502303522;mircea_popescu;yes. 1696019;1502303540;PeterL;still better than twitter, I guess 1696020;1502303630;mircea_popescu;you would see value in eg irc dropping its 200 char limit or what was it ? 1696021;1502303668;PeterL;I do find it annoying that long messages get split, but I guess it is not the end of the world or anything 1696022;1502303772;PeterL;suggestions on a good hash function for a checksum? 1696023;1502303856;mircea_popescu;xor the bytes ? 1696024;1502303875;asciilifeform;lol that's probably the worst conceivable 1696025;1502303882;mircea_popescu;:D 1696026;1502303923;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1696027;1502303923;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1696028;1502303928;mircea_popescu;anyway, crcs usually what people use. 1696029;1502304059;mircea_popescu;steal gnuradio's crc32 for instance. 1696030;1502304074;mircea_popescu;iirc openpgp used a crc-24 self-formulation 1696031;1502304153;mircea_popescu;(that =4char thing at the end of the messages) 1696032;1502304317;mircea_popescu;and with this, PeterL finds himself exposed to galois fields, polynomial division, and the rest of the "easy to implement and straightforward" jewels. 1696033;1502304392;asciilifeform;you wouldn't want to use a checksum ( e.g. crc ) for decryptable-legit vs random rubbish distinguisher 1696034;1502304409;asciilifeform;this problems was how we even ended up with cryptological hash functs 1696035;1502304446;asciilifeform;( if anyone recalls my sageprobe crack ? that was as simple as it was because the thing used crc as hash... ) 1696036;1502304804;mod6;BingoBoingo: 7-ish 1696037;1502304943;BingoBoingo;mod6: ty fxd 1696038;1502305031;PeterL;asciilifeform: ^ what would be the downside of using crc for this? 1696039;1502305108;*;PeterL looks, finds a .py standar lib function for this: binascii.crc32 1696040;1502306704;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB227B026FA94ABC18FD0A71ADB21D83E8E43BBF14F2DEBFE85F490FFF3627B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1578...0979 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.214.135.102 (ssh-rsa key from 82.214.135.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (82-214-135-102.itsa.net.pl. PL) 1696041;1502306704;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB227B026FA94ABC18FD0A71ADB21D83E8E43BBF14F2DEBFE85F490FFF3627B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1618...0213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.214.135.102 (ssh-rsa key from 82.214.135.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (82-214-135-102.itsa.net.pl. PL) 1696042;1502311438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, well, everything has problems. but there's a difference between using a crc as hash and using a crc as checksum ; and using say sawed-barrel keccak (take first or last x bytes, whatever) isn't all that good because it's really not designed for fragment behaviour like that, nor was such studied 1696043;1502311591;mircea_popescu;trying to stuff a mac or something in there will make the bondogle regret the days of the aes/rsa combo. 1696044;1502311686;mircea_popescu;besides rsa allows existential forgery ~anyway~. 1696045;1502312288;asciilifeform;waiwat 1696046;1502312309;asciilifeform;whole point of the M+H(M) or no-go combo is to prevent forgery. 1696047;1502312324;asciilifeform;( if message dun match the prescribed structure -> forgery ) 1696048;1502312823;mircea_popescu;so you want to take a message m, add that many random bits to it, and then add twice that many bits as a hash of the pile, thereby using 25% of the space for the plaintext ? 1696049;1502312876;mircea_popescu;(the rsa forgery comment was re sig ^ e mod n || sig mod n always verifies as validly signed.) 1696050;1502313107;mircea_popescu;and incidentally, pss should prolly be in the final tmsr-rsatron huh. 1696051;1502313194;mircea_popescu;http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/1363/P1363a/contributions/pss-submission.pdf for the day of the pdfs. 1696052;1502313452;mircea_popescu;(ftr, the way pgp does it is that it repeats two bytes of a more or less random block of 16 bytes, and then checks if they came out the same. this is in fact WORSE than http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1696023 but then again contemporary applied cryptography is a very low effort, low quality field). 1696053;1502313452;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 18:37 mircea_popescu: xor the bytes ? 1696054;1502313611;mircea_popescu;(believe it or not, the 18 byte lulz is actually specificed as such, https://archive.is/QYKu5#selection-3121.6-3121.789 ; worth a read, has null IV and all sorta gems) 1696055;1502314392;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo by following qntra link, i fell upon http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#comment-117679 which i suppose explains http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692327 1696056;1502314392;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 23:43 mircea_popescu: i suspect steemit is a sort of how did they call that alt-disqus/alt-github "let us steal your content" thing ? 1696057;1502314497;BingoBoingo;Ah, that may be it? 1696058;1502314616;mircea_popescu;guy made a blog, next year but still. 1696059;1502314848;BingoBoingo;Not really made a blog. Started making posts on platform that it seems some other folks made. 1696060;1502314867;*;BingoBoingo not looked into "who made Steemit" 1696061;1502314884;mircea_popescu;it's incomprehensible to me, how this "i moved from a forum to a ... forum" thing works in the public's mind. 1696062;1502314900;mircea_popescu;but, it given, it's no wonder all cars migrating to being the same engine in different plastifications. 1696063;1502315008;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470340 << low effort reddit spinoff ? 1696064;1502315008;a111;Logged on 2016-05-21 23:31 shinohai: https://steemit.com/girlsgonesteem-nsfw/@steempower/welcome-to-girls-gone-steem#comments <<< the logo even looks like a turd. "steem" 1696065;1502315218;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i looked at the pss thing, seems like simply yet another obfuscatorily-complex nsaological artifact 1696066;1502315232;mircea_popescu;iirc there is a proof it is as secure as rsa. 1696067;1502315236;asciilifeform;replete with magicnumbers, 'random oracle' assumptions, 'perfect hash', and other maculae 1696068;1502315264;mircea_popescu;what is this, bayesian proof evaluation ? 1696069;1502315309;asciilifeform;mno, i did go & read 1696070;1502315318;asciilifeform;here's a gem : 1696071;1502315319;asciilifeform;''When RSA is the underlying primitive, something even more is known: that the ability to forge with resources R in an attack which does not exploit some structural characteristic of the MGF implies the ability to invert RSA on random strings using computational resources only slightly greater than R.'' 1696072;1502315319;mircea_popescu;so what is teh fail ? 1696073;1502315327;asciilifeform;see problem ? 1696074;1502315380;asciilifeform;thing ~assumes~ own conclusion ! acquinas-style. 1696075;1502315447;mircea_popescu;wait. 1696076;1502315449;asciilifeform;now if you want a pubkeycrypto where this proof actually exists, i know of exactly one : cramer-shoup 1696077;1502315499;mircea_popescu;the statement is that if pss is used atop rsa, then baring poor implementation a forgery is going to cost more than what reversing rsa costs. 1696078;1502315526;asciilifeform;( my distaste for it comes largely from it not being rsa, and from a suspicion that enemy has a partial pill against discrete logarithm problem , given that dsa was based on same ) 1696079;1502315531;mircea_popescu;pubkey crypto dunb enter into it, this is a discussion of signature hashing (digests, really) schemes. 1696080;1502315546;mircea_popescu;distaste for c-s ? 1696081;1502315558;asciilifeform;possibly distaste is wrong word 1696082;1502315573;asciilifeform;but for above reasons i prefer rsa. 1696083;1502315574;mircea_popescu;i thought there's consensus re offering c-s in teh tmsr cryptotron 1696084;1502315605;asciilifeform;i don't know of any hard, tangible reason to avoid it. 1696085;1502315612;asciilifeform;at any rate it is just as easily implemented on pmachine as rsa. 1696086;1502315620;mircea_popescu;afaik pretty much the only candidate besides rsa itself. 1696087;1502315622;asciilifeform;( dun require any new primitives ) 1696088;1502315623;asciilifeform;aha. 1696089;1502315630;asciilifeform;i know of no others worth bothering with. 1696090;1502315660;mircea_popescu;but in my own mind the "well alf is making P" pretty much was "he's walking to path to both cs and rsa impls to the furthest node" 1696091;1502315671;asciilifeform;correct. 1696092;1502315679;mircea_popescu;otherwise why implement a ptron rather than simply a rsatron. 1696093;1502315687;asciilifeform;incidentally you get best attributes of both if you harness them as i described, via otpxor 1696094;1502315705;asciilifeform;( yet another reason for pmach ) 1696095;1502315731;asciilifeform;you can do more or less whatever variations on whichever theme, you feel like, all it costs is a few extra chars in pubkey 1696096;1502315811;erlehmann;btw i found a new social game 1696097;1502315839;erlehmann;1. mention non-existence dependencies to people who know C and/or C++ 1696098;1502315858;asciilifeform;erlehmann: incidentally what exactly is a 'nonexistence dependency' ? 1696099;1502315875;erlehmann;2. look on while almost all of them develop the exactiy same train of thoughts (including fixing make, which is impossible for this kind of program) 1696100;1502315904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that for x to work, y has to not exist. 1696101;1502315908;mircea_popescu;like you know, poisons. 1696102;1502315918;asciilifeform;granted, but when would this come into play ? 1696103;1502315923;asciilifeform;in erlehmann's context 1696104;1502315931;mircea_popescu;i dunno he has some abstractive grammars itch. 1696105;1502315936;asciilifeform;didn't we do the STOP FUCKING PARTIALMAKING thread ? 1696106;1502315941;erlehmann;asciilifeform on systems with multiple include paths, a C or C++ header file is looked for in location A, B, C. it is found in directory C. it does not exist in location A or B. 1696107;1502315945;asciilifeform;clean the fucking chalkboard 1696108;1502315948;erlehmann;s/directory/location 1696109;1502315949;asciilifeform;flush the toilet. 1696110;1502315964;erlehmann;if C changes, the target needs to be rebuilt. that is a dependency. 1696111;1502315970;asciilifeform;multiple include paths are retarded. 1696112;1502315978;erlehmann;if A or B start to exist, the target also needs to be rebuilt. that is a non-existence dependency. 1696113;1502315982;asciilifeform;they correspond to a vgraph with contradictory inputs. 1696114;1502315984;mircea_popescu;well, systems without patch are also retarded. 1696115;1502316002;asciilifeform;systems are to be fixed - i.e. brought into conformance with vtronics -- or discarded. 1696116;1502316005;asciilifeform;no third. 1696117;1502316014;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, let's sit down and make something sane for this guy. peterl i mean. what's his message supposed to be like ? 1696118;1502316018;erlehmann;asciilifeform that is one possible answer to the think. the thing that starts the triggering is usually a combination of said devs using make and realizing that this is, indeed, a problem. 1696119;1502316027;mircea_popescu;letting him "figure for self" at this juncture is unsanitary. 1696120;1502316034;asciilifeform;erlehmann: the problem however is not where you seem to put it 1696121;1502316065;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Looking like exactly that 1696122;1502316082;erlehmann;asciilifeform C header files are only one instance of such non-existence dependencies where existing of a thingy invalidates the assumptions that went into building another thingy. 1696123;1502316095;erlehmann;they are only arguably the most common one 1696124;1502316104;asciilifeform;erlehmann: are you familiar with how v works ? 1696125;1502316106;erlehmann;and excellent for stunning freeBSD developers btw 1696126;1502316122;asciilifeform;erlehmann: the problem you describe is absent in v 1696127;1502316138;erlehmann;asciilifeform you are correct 1696128;1502316138;asciilifeform;erlehmann: if it is present in whatever you are using instead -- your process is broken 1696129;1502316153;erlehmann;asciilifeform it is always absent if you always build clean 1696130;1502316172;mircea_popescu;erlehmann that's not what v does. 1696131;1502316194;erlehmann;mircea_popescu in a way, it does. no? 1696132;1502316210;asciilifeform;erlehmann: the building-clean thing is sanity. we had this thread. if your program is 'too big to always build clean', IT IS TOO BIG 1696133;1502316232;asciilifeform;cut it. like procrustes, or into independent subsystems, i don't care how 1696134;1502316242;asciilifeform;no program has any business being a billion line build. 1696135;1502316248;mircea_popescu;erlehmann it's a pile of patches. how the compiler optimizes the rebuilding is irrelevant ; if you change one file it can rebuild the whole thing or not ; but v still only changes the one file and still doesn't have the problem. 1696136;1502316297;erlehmann;asciilifeform correct. the talk begins with me mentioning non-existence dependencies and ends with the recipient either having a solution (one guy), being aware of the problem already (i counted two) or being unaware of it but being aware that their software is a lie. 1696137;1502316309;erlehmann;the solution turned out to be a non-solution btw 1696138;1502316336;erlehmann;something involving a goedelized perl script that builds all build rules that don't build themselves. drugs were probably involved. 1696139;1502316392;asciilifeform;erlehmann: you seem to be fixated on a problem that simply doesn't exist in sane contexts 1696140;1502316399;asciilifeform;!#s martian problem 1696141;1502316400;a111;4 results for "martian problem", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=martian%20problem 1696142;1502316411;erlehmann;asciilifeform the goal of the game is to make dev aware of context being insane 1696143;1502316439;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934853 << thread 1696144;1502316439;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 01:11 asciilifeform: 'I’d like to see one expression coined by the poker writer Matt Matros become common parlance, since it applies far more widely than only to poker. An “alien problem” means some problem that might be fun, interesting and educational to analyze, and it would be really important to know the solution if you ever found yourself in that situation, but the point is that you shouldn't even be having that problem in the first pl 1696145;1502316479;*;asciilifeform brb 1696146;1502316521;erlehmann;indeed, one part of the solution is to return to earth 1696147;1502316563;mircea_popescu;to encrypt : take plaintext message M, no longer than 250 bytes, and zero-pad it to 250 bytes. take pile of random bits R 250 bytes long. calculate X = M xor R. calculate Y = R xor MPFHF(X) set for R.len = 250 bytes. RSA the 500 byte pile of X || Y. done. to decrypt : de-RSA the 500 byte pile. cut it in two halves. calculate R = Y xor X. calculate M as X xor R. done. 1696148;1502316565;mircea_popescu;how's that sound ? 1696149;1502316625;mircea_popescu;erlehmann did anything further come of it ? 1696150;1502316727;erlehmann;mircea_popescu one person hallucinated having seen the elusive djb redo c code that ultimately did not exist. another person was a release manager and made sure the problem does not exist. a third person wrote a cmake thingy longer than my own redo implementation. a freebsd developer confirmed the problem exists. 1696151;1502316745;erlehmann;mainly i realized why my talk to the conference was rejected 1696152;1502316746;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mphf in a fixedtime fixedspace system is insane 1696153;1502316755;erlehmann;because the reaction of most people to it is 1696154;1502316760;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most importantly, do we ACTUALLY want to do something pgp-retarded like say R.len = 200 bytes, repeat the last 50 for a 250 byte total then use the repeat to make sure you decrypted correctly ? 1696155;1502316765;erlehmann;1. this is not a problem at all in my process 1696156;1502316773;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what else makes arbitrary size output ? 1696157;1502316778;erlehmann;2. yes, this might be a problem for some, but it never happens to me 1696158;1502316779;mircea_popescu;but yes insane. 1696159;1502316787;asciilifeform;keccak? 1696160;1502316795;asciilifeform;or any other sponge 1696161;1502316795;mircea_popescu;i thought it's any input fixed output 1696162;1502316796;erlehmann;3. yes, this is not detectable, but the effect is negligible 1696163;1502316808;erlehmann;4. yes the effect matters. we can patch make, though 1696164;1502316816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope that'd be classisal hashes 1696165;1502316817;erlehmann;5. make is unfixable, but we can patch gcc! 1696166;1502316832;mircea_popescu;erlehmann which talk is this ? 1696167;1502316833;erlehmann;(which does not help btw) 1696168;1502316837;asciilifeform;sponge goes from any-input to desired-width-out 1696169;1502316854;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1696170;1502316868;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess when he comes back from the mpfhf reverser ima make him do a keccak impl that ACTUALLY does the any-output thing. afaik they're all 32/64byte 1696171;1502316890;mircea_popescu;but afaik keccak isn't that fix-space-able either. 1696172;1502316892;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i wanted to give a talk about non-existence dependencies at SHA 2017 and it was rejected with “provide a 5min lightning talk on problem instead”. problem: 5min are enough to understand the problem, not why you are having it or what follows from it. 1696173;1502316909;mircea_popescu;erlehmann was this paid ? 1696174;1502316914;erlehmann;one lulzy consequence is that a lot of software might have been released with sublty wrong header files included 1696175;1502316937;erlehmann;mircea_popescu like, ticket? it was camping, mostly 1696176;1502316947;mircea_popescu;did they pay you to do a talk. 1696177;1502316955;erlehmann;no, they rejected my entry 1696178;1502316963;erlehmann;like, my submission 1696179;1502316986;mircea_popescu;do you know who harlan ellison is ? 1696180;1502316987;erlehmann;maybe i am not clear enough: i did not get to hold a talk so i talked to random c developers for fun. 1696181;1502317010;erlehmann;mircea_popescu not yet 1696182;1502317035;mircea_popescu;aite, here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE 1696183;1502317040;mircea_popescu;watch at least until he says turnip 1696184;1502317729;erlehmann;on train now, later 1696185;1502317738;mircea_popescu;"tell that to some guy a little younger than you, who just fell off the turnip truck. there is no publicity value in my talk being at your conference. what, if you sell 2000 of them it'll be a miracle. and what, what are people going to say, uuuuuu i like how that erlehmann talks, i wonder if he's got a blog or anything". 1696186;1502317783;mircea_popescu;nobody knows what the fuck "sha 2017" is. nobody cares. even the people paid to fucking care stopped giving a shit in the 90s, as that nsa goon at "crypto conferences" piece amply attests. 1696187;1502317822;mircea_popescu;hanging out with any other troop of stoners would be a better use of your time, in the sense of variety. 1696188;1502318861;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : obviously there's a "foundation" and a "code of conduct" (the usgistani nonsense copy/pasted) and a freenode chan, why not. ~600 accounts logged in (specifically : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yDU6G/?raw=true ) , ZERO anyone has to say at all whatsoever. most are related to matrix.org, which is a pile of nonsensical lulz which you're more than welcome to try and make sense of by yourself. in any case, it's an " 1696189;1502318861;mircea_popescu;independent" "free" bla bla made by amdocs employees. which YES, is that thing made by the israeli golden pages, and YES is that thing involved in the espionage scandals. and so on. 1696190;1502318882;mircea_popescu;but isn't it great that all mgm needs to do is to put on a coupla hats and suddenly the turnips think themselves human fucking beings ? 1696191;1502319158;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1696171 << it dun branch-on-secrets if correctly made. so yes fixed. 1696192;1502319158;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 22:14 mircea_popescu: but afaik keccak isn't that fix-space-able either. 1696193;1502319238;mircea_popescu;are we talking the keccak reference code here ? 1696194;1502319254;asciilifeform;the algo strictly 1696195;1502319263;asciilifeform;the 'reference' is sad 1696196;1502319264;mircea_popescu;yeah well, above his pay grade. 1696197;1502319299;mircea_popescu;but yes, i agree that in principle something-like-keccak could be made to spit arbitrary len digests ; and perhaps also in fixed space. the latter will require actual impl to settle. 1696198;1502319304;asciilifeform;fwiw i have a half-built one here. on hold until p. 1696199;1502319335;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: amusingly that was almost whole point of keccak 1696200;1502319342;mircea_popescu;no, i know. 1696201;1502319345;mircea_popescu;well barnacled. 1696202;1502319353;asciilifeform;that and killing length extension attack idiocy 1696203;1502319405;mircea_popescu;ftr, we both talking http://keccak.noekeon.org/KeccakReferenceAndOptimized-3.0.zip ? 1696204;1502319430;asciilifeform;but this being said , i am not even ready yet to barf re ref-keccak, i aint even yet done barfing re ffa not having already existed 1696205;1502319448;asciilifeform;srsly wtf, oughta have been written in 1993 at the latest 1696206;1502319607;mircea_popescu;the herd is lazy, the aparatchicks are scared, and the intelligent are lost in the soup, interacting with cattle and criminals as if they were people. 1696207;1502322076;pa1atine;hi all, great reads I had those days. logs are a trove of wisdom 1696208;1502322204;pa1atine;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1696206 < first verse of your religious leader sermon? ;) 1696209;1502322204;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 23:00 mircea_popescu: the herd is lazy, the aparatchicks are scared, and the intelligent are lost in the soup, interacting with cattle and criminals as if they were people. 1696210;1502322273;trinque;sorry, we're past our quip quota for the day. what else you got? 1696211;1502322290;pa1atine;nothing, really 1696212;1502322305;pa1atine;just back reading all the stuff 1696213;1502322315;pa1atine;much catch up to do 1696214;1502322757;pa1atine;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686026 something involving a goedelized perl script that builds all build rules that don't build themselves. drugs were probably involved. << dafaq is this dude on about? 1696234;1502332945;asciilifeform;soooo ACHTUNG PANZERS , asciilifeform went and actually tried http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695511 : 1696235;1502332945;a111;Logged on 2017-08-08 23:51 asciilifeform: it thereby follows that i could unroll comba into explicit cases from 1 to 8 words 1696236;1502333013;asciilifeform;for simplicity, tested the case that actually happens in practice: on a 64bit box, any ffa width over 512 bits gives a strictly 8-wide comba mult ocurrence 1696237;1502333050;asciilifeform;and so here http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hoM4U/?raw=true we have a combasquareatron explicitly unrolled for 8-word operand 1696238;1502333057;asciilifeform;( yielding 16 word result ) 1696239;1502333073;asciilifeform;it is loop- (and any other jump) - free 1696240;1502333091;asciilifeform;so theoretically x86 branch predictor oughta be very very happy; 1696241;1502333175;asciilifeform;HOWEVER the actual result is : ~13% cut in execution time. 1696242;1502333222;asciilifeform;so imho it is not worth it. 1696243;1502333245;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, phf , mod6 , et al ^^ 1696244;1502333433;mod6;hmm, nice test though 1696245;1502333455;asciilifeform;had to. 1696246;1502333486;asciilifeform;itched to find, what if another 2x vrooom is possible. 1696247;1502333511;asciilifeform;but apparently branch predictor dun matter so much when your entire thing is ~guaranteed to fit in cache 1696248;1502333781;mod6;yeah, worth the hunting trip 1696249;1502333841;asciilifeform;there's still a dilemma tho : 1696250;1502333878;asciilifeform;the unrolled-8word thing is 1 ) less general 2) harder to read with naked eye but 3 ) easier to prove correct 1696251;1502333885;asciilifeform;3 of course because no branching 1696252;1502333904;asciilifeform;you can reduce it algebraically 1696253;1502333986;asciilifeform;so currently it is not obvious to me, which variant is Moar Right Thing 1696254;1502334013;asciilifeform;( i'ma keep the general case, for nao, because it is always very easy to turn it into the above later. but not vice-versa. ) 1696255;1502334039;mod6;sure. keep it in your back pocket. 1696256;1502334160;asciilifeform;aite, nao all asciilifeform needs is a constantspacetime MODULAR exp algo that can be expressed with the mux primitive 1696257;1502334176;asciilifeform;and then we can play. 1696258;1502334264;asciilifeform;( nobody seems to have produced a branch-free montgomery-reduction algo. or any other division-free modexp. ) 1696259;1502334359;asciilifeform;srsly this entire exercise has been a brainmelting tour of the sheer unfathomable worthlessness of 'the litarature', 'the cryptography komyoonity', et al 1696260;1502334533;asciilifeform;'sorry you can't have multiplication in algebraic - branch-free - form ! That Would Be Wrong' 1696261;1502334680;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, i guess. depends though, good to have both variants. 1696262;1502334711;mircea_popescu;honestly i don't believe the somewhat more cl is such a problem. 1696263;1502334746;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'd be many moar , to correctly handle cases of 1-7 word too 1696264;1502334755;mircea_popescu;anyway. i think the point re : fathers are worthless , siblings are severely retarded is well vindicated 1696265;1502334761;asciilifeform;( a ptron is permitted to be invoked with any bitness that is multiple of 64 ) 1696266;1502334784;asciilifeform;waiwat 1696267;1502334792;asciilifeform;did i miss a whole thread 1696268;1502334819;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i doubt it. ~nobody who came before did anything useful and ~nobody currently active has an actually functioning brain. 1696269;1502334827;asciilifeform;aa 1696270;1502334854;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the unrolls : it's really not that bad, because of the patterns. it's only "unreadable" because alien because too much time spent reading code written by idiots. 1696271;1502334862;mircea_popescu;will get used to it (tm) 1696272;1502334877;asciilifeform;we definitely don't need any case of comba above 8 tho 1696273;1502334885;mircea_popescu;right. 1696274;1502334896;asciilifeform;currently i lean to unrolling them ~in the proof doc~ and leaving proggy as is. 1696275;1502334903;asciilifeform;tabula proof! 1696276;1502334916;mircea_popescu;i am all for keepiong the unrolled version at the ready ; but i really see no problem with having and using the unrolled loops version. you read it once, over a weekend or a week, and you use it ten billion times over fifty years. 1696277;1502334926;mircea_popescu;tell me 13% of 50 years somehow comes out to less than a week ? 1696278;1502334950;asciilifeform;anyway this is the easy bit. hard bit apparently is the final crown, coughing up a sane modexp 1696279;1502334958;asciilifeform;turns out, none is publicly known. 1696280;1502334972;asciilifeform;( every single motherfucking modexp in the open lit, branches on seekrit ) 1696281;1502334995;mircea_popescu;coincidentally.\ 1696282;1502334998;asciilifeform;^ if asciilifeform is wrong here, folx, plz to write in !! 1696283;1502335051;asciilifeform;knuth has one with 'addition chains', but it requires the exponent to be welded into place for all time 1696284;1502335071;asciilifeform;and as such is unsuitable for ptron 1696285;1502335105;asciilifeform;( generating ideal additionchain for a particular exp, incidentally, is np-hard ) 1696286;1502335115;mircea_popescu;myeah 1696287;1502335131;mircea_popescu;and a possible candidate for "alt cryptosystem" at that. 1696288;1502335137;mircea_popescu;i think we even spoke of it back in the day 1696289;1502335148;asciilifeform;has same problem as every other nphard 1696290;1502335165;asciilifeform;(no way to prevent 'easy case') 1696291;1502335196;asciilifeform;(problem from 'use as cryptosystem' pov) 1696292;1502335220;asciilifeform;or, more formally, no way to prove the absence of arbitary number of classes of 'easy case' 1696293;1502335240;mircea_popescu;!#s kochanski 1696294;1502335241;a111;2 results for "kochanski", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kochanski 1696295;1502335253;asciilifeform;he's the d00d with the '90s rsa chip 1696296;1502335262;mircea_popescu;yes but also has a reduciton method iirc ? 1696297;1502335275;mircea_popescu;which was serializable 1696298;1502335319;mircea_popescu;http://www.nugae.com/encryption/bin/design.pdf << that 1696299;1502335331;asciilifeform;it's catastrophically slow on general-purpose comp 1696300;1502335336;asciilifeform;AND branches on seekrits. 1696301;1502335338;mircea_popescu;ah is it ? 1696302;1502335346;asciilifeform;aha. wants fast bittwiddle 1696303;1502335354;asciilifeform;( rather than word arithm ) 1696304;1502335380;mircea_popescu;but you serialize and do a whole word's worth of bit diddle as a xor 1696305;1502335406;mircea_popescu;there's no rule you must do the parts in order or anything 1696306;1502335409;asciilifeform;you can , but still have the 'guessing and undo' thing 1696307;1502335420;asciilifeform;ergo much branching. and all of it on seekrit bits. 1696308;1502335428;mircea_popescu;hm 1696309;1502335435;asciilifeform;what is needed is a wholly algebraic process. like my mult. 1696310;1502335445;mircea_popescu;no but you write it as a full matrix, you get the undo for free 1696311;1502335456;asciilifeform;where control flow is SAME regardless of what the exponentiation args are. 1696312;1502335468;asciilifeform;it is the only acceptable form for ptron. 1696313;1502335476;asciilifeform;otherwise whole thing is a massive waste. 1696314;1502335491;mircea_popescu;it would take a shitload of memory wouldn't it 1696315;1502335495;asciilifeform;(' a little bit ' of seekrit-branch is same as 'little big pregnant' ) 1696316;1502335499;asciilifeform;no reason why it oughta 1696317;1502335525;asciilifeform;now if you were to try to rsa by exping first and THEN mod, the universe could not hold your intermediates 1696318;1502335539;asciilifeform;so that falls out trivially. 1696319;1502335553;asciilifeform;any practical modexp algo has to 'mod as it goes along' 1696320;1502335555;mircea_popescu;im still talking of trying to adapt kochanski's thing 1696321;1502335570;asciilifeform;if you can picture a branch-free form, lemme know 1696322;1502335573;asciilifeform;i dun see it 1696323;1502335598;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he is doing this D-to-k table thing 1696324;1502335607;asciilifeform;( the infallible litmus for ffability : 'can this be UNROLLED TO DEATH?' if not -- no go ) 1696325;1502335609;mircea_popescu;but you don't have to use a table, you should be able to make it work in a matrixc 1696326;1502335660;asciilifeform;also his thing uses carry-save form 1696327;1502335671;asciilifeform;which dun work with conventional machine arithm 1696328;1502335695;mircea_popescu;i am telling you, his thing is ripe for rewritting in a more apt notation. he is misrepresenting it because thinking in therms of fucking logic gates 1696329;1502335720;asciilifeform;understand, that's how he makes the ops independent ( rather than chained ) 1696330;1502335727;asciilifeform;by ignoring the carry, and reconstituting later 1696331;1502335745;asciilifeform;we cannot do this. because the simplicity of ffa comes from using strictly ordinary machineword arithmetic. 1696332;1502335761;asciilifeform;where, e.g., word addition, is sequential. 1696333;1502335780;mircea_popescu;you can add the words in any order you wish and you can keep whichever intermediates you feel like 1696334;1502335789;mircea_popescu;he -- cant 1696335;1502335794;asciilifeform;mno. 1696336;1502335803;asciilifeform;there is carry. 1696337;1502335810;asciilifeform;can't 'add in any order you wish' 1696338;1502335814;mircea_popescu;there is carry 1696339;1502335814;asciilifeform;nor subtract 1696340;1502335825;mircea_popescu;hm 1696341;1502335890;asciilifeform;incidentally various heathen bignumtrons use carry-save form. it is one of the reasons why they are 10,000s of lines, and mine is ~1k. 1696342;1502335925;asciilifeform;it was the most effective optimization i knew, and the one i rejected first and most incurably. 1696343;1502335936;asciilifeform;because antifitsinhead. 1696344;1502336243;mircea_popescu;mgh. 1696345;1502336899;asciilifeform;the sad and slow constantspacetime solution , is the same exponentiation-by-squaring ffa has now, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BVxyN/?raw=true , but after FZ_Square(B, B, C_Sqr); we FZ_Mod(B, M B) every time. 1696346;1502336918;asciilifeform;( for modexp, that is ) 1696347;1502336930;asciilifeform;grr, 1696348;1502336936;asciilifeform;FZ_Mod(B, M, B) 1696349;1502337017;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HuJDk/?raw=true << for anybody who forgot how division worx. 1696350;1502337019;asciilifeform;sloooow 1696351;1502337133;asciilifeform;division is the single most expensive arithmetic op. 1696352;1502337139;asciilifeform;there is not an equiv of karatsuba for it 1696353;1502337178;mircea_popescu;this is irksome 1696354;1502337185;asciilifeform;aha! 1696355;1502337399;asciilifeform;currently trying to express montgomery reduction ffaically. 1696356;1502337406;asciilifeform;( for 3 wks or so nao... ) 1696357;1502337426;asciilifeform;but if anyone has better idea -- write in 1696358;1502337558;mircea_popescu;heh. the graph of a ^ x mod b looks eheheheheeexactly like the riemann functions / unit covering shenanigans. 1696359;1502337572;mircea_popescu;i know that face glaring back at me. it is the face of unyielding fucking doom. 1696360;1502337652;mircea_popescu;https://www.desmos.com/calculator/9rwwast4jm << example. 1696361;1502337662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it did not look like this, rsa would not even be useful 1696362;1502337667;asciilifeform;thinkaboitit 1696363;1502337669;mircea_popescu;this is true. 1696364;1502337741;mircea_popescu;i am now very suspicious you can't ever have a good solution, in the sense that if you find it... you'll have found a fine reason not to need it anymore. 1696365;1502337751;asciilifeform;depends what means 'good solution' 1696366;1502337774;asciilifeform;ain't looking for the rsa pill here. but for nonretarded variant of montgomery's algo 1696367;1502337782;asciilifeform;(i.e. always-worstcase) 1696368;1502337843;mircea_popescu;yeah, well... 1696369;1502337890;mircea_popescu;no, see. if you could have a not-always-worstcase fixtime algo you would have in fact found pill. 1696370;1502337899;asciilifeform;we want the opposite 1696371;1502337905;asciilifeform;always-worstcase modexp 1696372;1502337905;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1696373;1502337914;asciilifeform;that's what constanttime is 1696374;1502337918;asciilifeform;alwaysworstcase. 1696375;1502337925;mircea_popescu;but you have that lol, squaring 1696376;1502337925;asciilifeform;elementarily. 1696377;1502337951;asciilifeform;aha. we have one. 1696378;1502337957;asciilifeform;want -- faster. 1696379;1502337978;asciilifeform;recall, constanttime karatsuba did not (afaik) publicly exist before i posted it... 1696380;1502337984;asciilifeform;need same thing here again. 1696381;1502337991;mircea_popescu;yes but... 1696382;1502338198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, here's an idea : 1696383;1502338220;asciilifeform;hm? 1696384;1502338259;mircea_popescu;folding ? 1696385;1502338269;asciilifeform;wassat 1696386;1502338612;mircea_popescu;heh apparently injuns got this first. like so : https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/srds2009/escs2009_submission_Gopal.pdf 1696387;1502338615;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ 1696388;1502338631;asciilifeform;found it back in may 1696389;1502338653;asciilifeform;it dun go 1696390;1502338658;asciilifeform;branches. 1696391;1502338721;asciilifeform;also uses the same idiotic sliding window thing that makes gpg2 radiate seekritbranchingly for kilometres 1696392;1502338740;asciilifeform;( because table lookups are nonconstanttime on just about any iron you can get your hands on. caches. ) 1696393;1502338785;mircea_popescu;remarkably compact, at that. 1696394;1502338816;asciilifeform;nogood tho. because cannot be expressed as FINITE, KNOWN (for particular ffawidth) sequence of good ol'fashioned word-arithmetic ops. 1696395;1502338823;mircea_popescu;basically, you precompute conveniently chosen powers of 2, and then you get rid of most of the product larger than 1696396;1502338846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is the sliding window in gpg2. 1696397;1502338893;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but you don't have to use the crap parts. the idea itself is sound, further reduces any montgomery reduction., 1696398;1502338906;asciilifeform;it needs branching omfg 1696399;1502338912;asciilifeform;not unrollable. 1696400;1502338914;asciilifeform;therefore rubbish. 1696401;1502338936;mircea_popescu;mgh 1696402;1502338938;asciilifeform;makes the rest of ffa an exercise in complete pointlessness, to use anything of the kind. 1696403;1502339008;asciilifeform;this weekend i'ma see just how sad is key genning with the saddest but proper algo , quoted earlier. 1696404;1502339036;asciilifeform;( exp-via-squaring, mod after each squaring ) 1696405;1502339049;asciilifeform;it'll be pretty sad, because squaring gives a doublewide bitness. 1696406;1502339058;asciilifeform;and division is O(N^2). 1696407;1502339063;mircea_popescu;moreover, doesn't that leak exponent bits ? :D 1696408;1502339068;asciilifeform;how? 1696409;1502339074;asciilifeform;division dun branch on seekrit 1696410;1502339077;asciilifeform;at least mine doesn't 1696411;1502339084;mircea_popescu;well, you do the whole polynomioal thing right ? if exponent is 1101 you do 3 out of 4 squares 1696412;1502339088;asciilifeform;(it subtracts EVERY time, then muxes ) 1696413;1502339090;asciilifeform;nope. 1696414;1502339091;asciilifeform;4 1696415;1502339095;asciilifeform;read mine. 1696416;1502339102;*;mircea_popescu goes and reads. 1696417;1502339102;asciilifeform;we dun branch!!! 1696418;1502339114;asciilifeform;we do 4 motherfucking squares, and 4 subtracts 1696419;1502339121;asciilifeform;the output is muxed via constanttimemuxer 1696420;1502339140;asciilifeform;( so sometimes 'not used', but the discarding takes provably same time as nondiscarding ) 1696421;1502339143;mircea_popescu;heh 1696422;1502339149;mircea_popescu;nazi. 1696423;1502339156;asciilifeform;aha, very 1696424;1502339172;mircea_popescu;well, at least it was painless to check the code, all of 30 seconda 1696425;1502339181;asciilifeform;aha. sorta whole point of this adventure 1696426;1502339192;asciilifeform;to have mircea_popescu et al go 'wtf this only took 30s to read' 1696427;1502339207;asciilifeform;can you picture, rsa that actually makes sense... 1696428;1502339218;mircea_popescu;no wtf there. the wtf is more in the line of "check him out, he wants to use a computer without the if key" 1696429;1502339235;asciilifeform;it's called algebra, lol 1696430;1502339242;mircea_popescu;lol 1696431;1502339242;asciilifeform;'computer without if' 1696432;1502339259;asciilifeform;aka closed form 1696433;1502339312;asciilifeform;speeking of which... 1696434;1502339315;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1696435;1502339370;*;mircea_popescu thinks "well... what if you had a group instead, and you could... o fuck me, discrete logarithms. guess what, another basis for cryptosystems". 1696436;1502341517;asciilifeform;in other veryolds, somehow i missed https://archive.is/Kw78h 1696437;1502341533;asciilifeform;not many folx get to be murdered twice !! 1696438;1502341905;mircea_popescu;lmao 1696439;1502341955;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does the church "decide to terminate the family's lease" 1696440;1502342207;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, some dude drove over a half dozen french whatever they are, soldiers-polizei. 1696441;1502342224;asciilifeform;how does a church , e.g., ordain genderfucked priest 1696442;1502342232;asciilifeform;... like-so ! 1696443;1502342247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mno. church can ordain whatever the fuck it pleases ; but a lease is not at-will wtf is the point even. 1696444;1502342269;mircea_popescu;"i'll just dump these remains in your back yard, throw them out whenever you're sick of them" is not what a lease says. 1696445;1502342324;asciilifeform;can't say read d00d's lease 1696446;1502342335;asciilifeform;* i read 1696447;1502342373;mircea_popescu;still. every lease i ever saw/signed had fixed term for leasor at will clause for leaser. 1696448;1502342398;mircea_popescu;because otherwise what the hell, it's not a lease it's a girlfriendizing contract. 1696449;1502342475;asciilifeform;these people shit on contracts, promises, etc whenever it suits'em 1696450;1502342558;asciilifeform;there's a word for such : 1696451;1502342561;asciilifeform;недоговороспособные 1696452;1502342601;asciilifeform;old norse called them 'nithlings' 1696453;1502342621;asciilifeform;modern english, unsurprisingly, has no word... 1696454;1502345452;BingoBoingo; modern english, unsurprisingly, has no word... << "Indian Givers" 1696455;1502358386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, that actually translates "incompetent" in english, which is the right word. "without the ability of entering contracts". 1696456;1502358650;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : usg.wikipedia agitprop has an open ended article on propaganda truths : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_financial_crisis_%282014%E2%80%932017%29 1696457;1502358690;mircea_popescu;i expect "scientifically proven" a la "climate change" no less ? 1696458;1502359069;mircea_popescu;in other unintentional lulz / comedy self-crits, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Pn-picketing-1998-sept-people.jpg 1696459;1502359503;mircea_popescu;(nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.) 1696460;1502359503;a111;Logged on 2017-07-21 00:02 phf: by the time i started figuring out the socioeconomic part of the question it was a year too late (they started tightening the screws some time before putin came to power, which was not so much the beginning but the announcement of the done deal. i remember '99 the situation of a lot of people changed drastically.) 1696461;1502359898;mircea_popescu;great "anti-corruption" guy too. let's preserve say http://nemtsov.ru/2015/02/ura-patrioty-ne-platyat-nalogi/ 1696462;1502364207;mircea_popescu;!!up andrei4257 1696463;1502364207;deedbot;andrei4257 voiced for 30 minutes. 1696464;1502364900;andrei4257;eram doar curios daca se mai intampla ceva aici 1696465;1502364921;andrei4257;aparent nu 1696466;1502365110;mircea_popescu;andrei4257 who were you again ? 1696467;1502369373;shinohai;Morning mircea_popescu 1696468;1502369413;mircea_popescu;heya 1696469;1502369663;shinohai;http://archive.is/MT7G8 <<< lulzy 1696470;1502369755;mircea_popescu;oh and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1696188 and faux ngos : the "organized crime and corruption reporting project", owned by a maryland state dept offshoot, is this "github for retarded euro-orks willing to journalism for free in furtherance of us "anti-corruption" anti-sovereignity agenda'. 1696471;1502369755;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 22:47 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : obviously there's a "foundation" and a "code of conduct" (the usgistani nonsense copy/pasted) and a freenode chan, why not. ~600 accounts logged in (specifically : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yDU6G/?raw=true ) , ZERO anyone has to say at all whatsoever. most are related to matrix.org, which is a pile of nonsensical lulz which you're more than welcome to try and make sense of by yourself. in any case, it's an " 1696472;1502369782;mircea_popescu;mostly used to launder "leaks" in the vein of "russian hackers" would have obtained had the leaks pointed the other way. 1696473;1502369806;mircea_popescu;possibly the largest end product of the whole mechanical orange revolutions effort of rice's dept of state. 1696474;1502370477;mircea_popescu;https://www.occrp.org/en/spooksandspin/how-macedonias-scandal-plagued-nationalists-lobbied-americas-right-and-pulled-them-into-an-anti-soros-crusade/ rather typical offering.\ 1696475;1502370915;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, amusingly enough, soros' long standing tax evasion conviction or any mention of his decades on the lam have somehow entirely disappeared from all usg's wikipedias. NEVER OCCURED!!! 1696476;1502372316;mircea_popescu;shinohai cnn / politico / etc displaying a knowledge of physics entirely typical of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-24#1689742 1696477;1502372316;a111;Logged on 2017-07-24 17:53 mircea_popescu: "Oakley is among a growing number of educators who view intermediate algebra as an obstacle to students obtaining their credentials — particularly in fields that require no higher level math skills." << teh confusion of ideas ffs. 1696478;1502372388;mircea_popescu;"acoustic attacks", really. because why, we don't know how to calculate the energy carried by a wave of specified frequency, or anything whatsoever about flow in fluids, and so on. 1696479;1502373959;mircea_popescu;for the record : a decibel is the log10 of the ratio between a measured sound energy density and 10^-12 J/m^3. consequently the energy of sound at 150 decibels (such as the sonic blast of a jet taking off at 25m, capable of rupturing eardrums) corresponds to an energy density of 10 ^ (150/10) * 10 ^ -12 = 1000 J/m^3. 1696480;1502373959;mircea_popescu;for comparison, a 100 gram tennisball capable of giving a pretty girl a nasty bruise would be going sa 100 km/h and thereby hit for .1 * (100/3.6)^2/2 ~= 40 J over its 0.001 cubic metre space, ie about 40 times more than the jet's "acoustic attack". a 8-gram 9mm round perfectly capable of making a whole new hole hits for 0.008 * 300 ^ 2 / 2 = 360 J over its 20 * 2*4.5*pi = 5.65 * 10^-7 volume, ie about 650`000 times the jet's 1696481;1502373959;mircea_popescu; "acoustic attack". 1696482;1502373960;mircea_popescu;of course, the acoustic energy saturation dampens with distance (by the cube) and with obstacles. the jet needs something to the tune of 100 MW to take off, and all this buys you at close range and in open air is bleeding from the ears, not magical symptoms such as bruises, concussions or other mysteries. 1696483;1502374027;mircea_popescu;not to mention, of course, that everyone in the area can also hear it, there's nothing mysterious about it. yes there are ways to carry sound over inaudible ultrasound as a modulation, but guess what ? that takes even more energy! a lot more, in fact. 1696484;1502374027;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the entire capacity of cuba's electricity network is what, 8 MW or so ? 1696485;1502374071;*;shinohai just assumed the "acoustical attack" was having American pop music piped through the PA system .... 1696486;1502374090;mircea_popescu;maybe they got cancer from listening to ustardian daytime tv. 1696487;1502374155;shinohai;lolz 1696488;1502374288;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1696489;1502374288;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1696490;1502374411;mircea_popescu;shinohai maybe russian hackers did it. they messed with cuba's sound.dll 1696491;1502374419;mircea_popescu;or something. 1696492;1502374496;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the french 7hz riot controller ? 1696493;1502374499;mod6;mornin 1696494;1502374520;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes ? though it was israeli iirc, and worked irl abou as well as the recently reported stink bombs. 1696495;1502374523;asciilifeform;practicaljoakes with sound aint about joules, they're about resonances in body 1696496;1502374571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this works better in theory than in practice. 1696497;1502374574;mircea_popescu;anyway, the kenyan's legacy is one of the lulziest lulzfests in lulzhistory. so, he came to power on a mandate to close down gitmo, which he didn't do, and to roll back bush era power grabs which he didn't do. instead of doing what he promised he decided to do other things! 1696498;1502374587;mircea_popescu;such as : epochal switch on cuba! it... didn't survive his term. 1696499;1502374594;mircea_popescu;new ally : iran!!! it... didn't survive his term. 1696500;1502374598;mircea_popescu;obamacare!!!! it... 1696501;1502374599;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1696502;1502374608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 7hz thing works, but quite useless because... not directional 1696503;1502374626;mircea_popescu;and because other problems with it. 1696504;1502374638;mircea_popescu;all this wunderwaffen is just like the railgun, if you recall that discussion. 1696505;1502374652;mircea_popescu;"we're running out of oil, letr's find fun things to do with electricity" 1696506;1502374657;asciilifeform;moar like the microwave blaster 1696507;1502374661;mircea_popescu;except... oh noes! oil was actually pretty fucking irreplaceably cool ?!?!!? 1696508;1502374719;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall back when the various uss self-destroyers got equipped with "LRAD" for great bezzles ? 90s fad. 1696509;1502374746;asciilifeform;i thought it was marketed to cargo lines 1696510;1502374755;asciilifeform;as ersatz pirate repellent 1696511;1502374757;mircea_popescu;afaik only buyer was usg. 1696512;1502374767;asciilifeform;maersk iirc bought 1696513;1502374773;mircea_popescu;right. 1696514;1502374788;asciilifeform;( did the expected amt , lol, of good ) 1696515;1502374817;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694588 << bears repeating. 1696516;1502374817;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 16:42 mats: https://www.rt.com/news/397724-israeli-stink-bombs-india 1696517;1502374819;asciilifeform;i saw one on ebay recently 1696518;1502374831;asciilifeform;( lradtron ) 1696519;1502374848;PeterL;Hi everybody, here is my gossipd with the changes suggested yesterday http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pf24N/?raw=true 1696520;1502374857;mircea_popescu;~only known use for item comes from the 90s, have nympho take a seat on overturned woofer. 1696521;1502374872;mircea_popescu;PeterL what did you end up putting in, wrote keccak variant ? 1696522;1502374916;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: normal hardwarestore woofer tho 1696523;1502374922;PeterL;I just put in the crc32 as a checksum 1696524;1502374923;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1696525;1502374942;mircea_popescu;PeterL you can't use unpadded rsa. it du nwork that way. 1696526;1502374985;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, afair the threshold for ultrasound biodetectable effects (in rats) was 180db or so. 1696527;1502375068;mircea_popescu;pretty much only danger is if you're submerged. 1696528;1502375076;PeterL;well, it is not unpadded, it uses the random byte string as the pad 1696529;1502375095;*;mircea_popescu looks. 1696530;1502375132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ideally you fire converging ultra at victim, with infra beat result 1696531;1502375157;mircea_popescu;PeterL you have a max nick size now ? it is a bad idea to specify protocol semantics at transport level. let me sign my lines whichever way i want, not care about it. 1696532;1502375157;asciilifeform;( also great for 'madness voices' ) 1696533;1502375179;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if victim were spherical and resided in vacuum... 1696534;1502375211;mircea_popescu;PeterL also there's specifically no allowance for "time" to be transferred. receiving station timestamps with its own time. 1696535;1502375217;PeterL;well, I guess I should put in something, I guess your nick can't be longer than the message size or there would be no room for any message 1696536;1502375237;mircea_popescu;wtf, ever got a card in the mail, "this card was received at 3:55 pm" penciled in by sender ? 1696537;1502375271;mircea_popescu;PeterL you really don't give a shit. whatever the message is, you truncate it to 220 or what was it and send. 1696538;1502375280;mircea_popescu;modularize, let each part worry about its own domain. 1696539;1502375284;PeterL;hrm, when you get it it prints the time recieved and who from, then prints the message that was sent "time, who, message" 1696540;1502375303;mircea_popescu;not what teh spec says! 1696541;1502375313;PeterL;I will review that again 1696542;1502375365;mircea_popescu;PeterL incidentally, did oyu rebase instead of patching ? 1696543;1502375398;PeterL;didn't sign anything yet, nothing to patch off of 1696544;1502375434;mircea_popescu;true. the obvious advantage of patching is that it makes it easier for readers of code to review deltas. but then again, rebasing makes it easier for writer, less shit to maintain. balancing act. 1696545;1502375454;mircea_popescu;PeterL can you explain this ping mechanism ? 1696546;1502375455;PeterL;yes, I see 1696547;1502375480;PeterL;actually, I was going to put in a ping but then didn't get around to it yet 1696548;1502375502;mircea_popescu;why do you want it ? 1696549;1502375520;PeterL;the idea being that you could keep track of who is getting your messages 1696550;1502375534;PeterL;sort of a "who is online right now" thing 1696551;1502375563;mircea_popescu;yes, but it ruins the security of the scheme, as i don't expect you will be sending pings to ips associated with bogus keys ? 1696552;1502375572;PeterL;but then I was thinking maybe we wouldn't want that anyway 1696553;1502375603;mircea_popescu;there's no real concept of "online" i can form in my mind. for instance, am i online when i'm not online ? i do read the logs... in what sense am i not online ? 1696554;1502375604;PeterL;the idea would be to ping everybody, and have an option for wther or not you respond to pings 1696555;1502375645;mircea_popescu;if the machine is on and i'm long dead, am i online cuz it pings ? 1696556;1502375648;mircea_popescu;it just makes no sense. 1696557;1502375720;*;asciilifeform recalls naggum's box... it still runs 1696558;1502375728;mircea_popescu;PeterL is there any security contemplated for the data, such as i dunno, encrypt the lists of peers / keys / history etc ? or simply a case of "fuck you secure your machine" ? 1696559;1502375741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha! 1696560;1502375743;asciilifeform;^ p works same 1696561;1502375759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform huh ? 1696562;1502375788;PeterL;at the moment there is no securing of data. that would be something to add before battlefield use. 1696563;1502375830;asciilifeform;privkeys are plaintext ( you can cipher them via some other cmdline util, or even another piped p, but no nonsense re 'bitcoin-style' enter-aes-pw etc ) 1696564;1502375841;mircea_popescu;i expect at least one's own history should be kept encrypted to a key of his. 1696565;1502375855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gpg does teh same thing. 1696566;1502375871;asciilifeform;aha, and it's placebocin 1696567;1502375890;*;mircea_popescu was a major, and in fact for a year or so the only proponent of encrypted wallets for btc. 1696568;1502375921;mircea_popescu;once implemented, "theft" dropped like 90%. which is more than any usgstani effort has, or ever will do. 1696569;1502375968;asciilifeform;at any rate user can make his key , e.g., nextprime(rngolade-kept-ondisk) * nextprime(hash(pw)) if he explicitly wants 1696570;1502375993;asciilifeform;um no, 1696571;1502376019;asciilifeform;nextprime(h(another rngoladd on disk + pw)) 1696572;1502376022;asciilifeform;lol 1696573;1502376025;mircea_popescu;lol 1696574;1502376038;PeterL;also, my question re crc32 yesterday, I meant to say: given a (random) string of 250 chars, what is the proability that (random four byte string) will pass the crc32 test? which I think is just 1/256^4 1696575;1502376066;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you get the idea. no reason to standardize the diddle. 1696576;1502376068;mircea_popescu;PeterL if your string is 250 chars, there is 0 probability that an up to 32 bit setcion being altered in any way will not be caught up 1696577;1502376098;mircea_popescu;this is what crc does : for blasts up to its size, 100%. for larger blasts, proportionate. 1696578;1502376100;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1696579;1502376101;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1696580;1502376116;PeterL;not trying to catch changes, trying to catch random string accidentally passing the check 1696581;1502376126;mircea_popescu;that is not something crc does ? 1696582;1502376145;mircea_popescu;crc checks that the string is the same now as it was when crc was originalyl computed 1696583;1502376201;mircea_popescu;if you're asking "what is the probability of a 4000 bit string being randomly generated so it matches an arbitrary crc32", the answer is you know, 1 in infinity. 1696584;1502376229;asciilifeform;aaactually chance of computing randomturd-cum-crc is no lower than 1/bitness-of-crc 1696585;1502376234;asciilifeform;which is rather high 1696586;1502376248;asciilifeform;*randomturd that passes 1696587;1502376252;asciilifeform;think.. 1696588;1502376259;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in my model the crc was also random. 1696589;1502376273;asciilifeform;well yes 1696590;1502376275;mircea_popescu;literally, "came out of rsa as garbage". 1696591;1502376278;asciilifeform;aha 1696592;1502376283;asciilifeform;still holds 1696593;1502376322;mircea_popescu;are you trying to say that since there's only 2^32 possible values for the crc, it then follows that 1 in 4bn will match ? 1696594;1502376327;asciilifeform;hint: consider payload P and crc C as indep. vars 1696595;1502376331;asciilifeform;aha!! 1696596;1502376462;mircea_popescu;a cheap improvement would be to write down also the LZW compression ratio. 1696597;1502376501;mircea_popescu;(and in any case, this is also a major improvement over gpg, which realloy only uses 2^16, and worked ok in the field for many years) 1696598;1502376744;mircea_popescu;PeterL + padlen = min(keya.l, keyb.l) - 1 # make sure that the strings will not overflow the key mods << i don't get it, why do you have variable length keys ? 1696599;1502376817;mircea_popescu;all keys same size. ideally as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 discussion at that 1696600;1502376817;a111;Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258)); 1696601;1502376843;mircea_popescu;257, 258, 515. 1696602;1502376882;PeterL;ah, originally I had it written to allow user to change key sizes, that is a holdover just in case 1696603;1502376954;asciilifeform;lzw is neither here nor there, you can't rely on payload being compressible 1696604;1502377087;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1696605;1502377103;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most very likely will be. 1696606;1502377161;mircea_popescu;PeterL no case ; key size is fixed. 1696607;1502377743;PeterL;oh, and I was trying to make the functions more general, avoid putting in magic numbers as much as possible 1696608;1502379084;mod6;Hi, I've updated the howto, it's not "finalized" yet. Please take a look and let me know if this doesn't read quite right, or if I've left something out: 1696609;1502379087;mod6; http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto-new.html 1696610;1502379205;shinohai;^ looks good mod6 1696611;1502379311;mod6;Thanks for taking a look shinohai 1696612;1502379367;mod6;maybe i aught to add 'diff' on that list. it is inexplicable to me that it wouldn't be there, but then again, lol. 1696613;1502379388;mod6;updated 1696614;1502379463;shinohai;Yeah I forgot you had a guy with some sort of linux that didn't have diff 1696615;1502379494;mod6;I think it was patch, but yeah, maybe I'm mis-remembering that. 1696616;1502379544;mod6;my V doesn't use diff anyway, only patch, gpg, sha512sum, and wget -- and otherwise just standard shell tools such as echo, mkdir, rm, cat, etc. 1696617;1502379578;mod6;But wouldn't be a bad idea to throw it on there in the case where someone, decides to use the linked vdiff script, which uses diff. 1696618;1502379890;mod6;Updated the formatting too. 1696619;1502379961;mod6;ugh, something went sideways, standby 1696620;1502380198;mod6;Ok, I think it's better now. 1696621;1502384726;mod6;alright, I have published those changes to : http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html 1696622;1502385760;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/10/unboxing-and-set-up-of-nosuchlabs-fuckgoats-on-macos-openbsd-linux/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Unboxing and set-up of NoSuchlAbs FUCKGOATS on MacOS? OpenBSD? LINUX!! 1696623;1502388511;edivad;hallo 1696624;1502388542;edivad;i promise that this will be the last emergency troubleshooting about TRB 1696625;1502388591;edivad;i feel that i'm very near of a succesful compiling of bitcoind, especially after the update of the guide 1696626;1502388614;mod6;hi, how goes ? 1696627;1502388666;edivad;is going very well for a beginner 1696628;1502388689;edivad;you know, a satisfacting terminal try & die till everything works 1696629;1502388706;edivad;so, this is the last error mod6 1696630;1502388718;mod6;alright 1696631;1502388757;edivad;https://pastebin.com/4JsG5uTN 1696632;1502388819;edivad;since gcc is present i think that is some kind of env problem 1696633;1502388839;mod6;yeah, it does not seem to understand where 'c' is located. 1696634;1502388840;edivad;but i really cannot figure out what i could try before running again the make command 1696635;1502388879;mod6;did everything press alright with V ? 1696636;1502388882;edivad;:) please tell me that the solution is right around the corner, like adding a CC=/path/to/something into the makefile 1696637;1502388889;asciilifeform;!~later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/10/unboxing-and-set-up-of-nosuchlabs-fuckgoats-on-macos-openbsd-linux/#comment-58669 1696638;1502388889;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1696639;1502388898;edivad;yes V had no problems 1696640;1502388906;mod6;ok good deal. 1696641;1502389004;shinohai;^ That pthread issue I solved on Debian by going to /usr/share/cmake and changing a line in CheckIncludeFiles.cmake 1696642;1502389036;edivad;lemme try 1696643;1502389096;edivad;ok, in ubuntu no /usr/share/cmake dir for me 1696644;1502389121;edivad;even in /usr/local/share no presence of cmake dir 1696645;1502389126;mod6;yeah, this looks like it might be something with your /etc/alternatives or something 1696646;1502389133;mod6;im not sure. digging... 1696647;1502389133;shinohai;Find the line: `CMAKE_CONFIGURABLE_FILE_CONTENT}\n\nint main(){return 0;}\n")` and put `void` in the parentheses after int main() 1696648;1502389148;edivad;into the makefile.unix under src? 1696649;1502389178;shinohai;No in the file CheckIncludeFiles under your cmake installation 1696650;1502389188;shinohai;(modules folder) 1696651;1502389208;edivad;going to check on ubuntu where is located 1696652;1502389213;edivad;seems different from debian 1696653;1502389267;asciilifeform;edivad: could you paste your makefile plz ? 1696654;1502389294;edivad;under src or the main? 1696655;1502389299;asciilifeform;both 1696656;1502389369;edivad;https://thepasteb.in/p/zmh8oRpVm2nHZ 1696657;1502389376;edivad;this is under src ^ 1696658;1502389399;asciilifeform;other one 1696659;1502389402;edivad;https://thepasteb.in/p/wjh03Lzr23ofv 1696660;1502389407;edivad;this is the main 1696661;1502389454;asciilifeform;mod6: i think his buildroot failed 1696662;1502389474;edivad;so should i delete everything and start from scratch? 1696663;1502389480;mod6;yes 1696664;1502389483;mod6;start over. 1696665;1502389485;edivad;ok 1696666;1502389488;edivad;no problem 1696667;1502389499;edivad;can i keep the .wot folder? 1696668;1502389501;asciilifeform;( it failed, and from the posted barf it is not possible to yet say why ) 1696669;1502389503;edivad;since is a hell lot of copy paste? 1696670;1502389506;asciilifeform;edivad: yes 1696671;1502389511;edivad;ok nice 1696672;1502389517;mod6;i would blow everything away and start over following exact instructions in the howto 1696673;1502389560;edivad;i'm gonna leave the actual dir for future forensics analysis when i'll be moar expert and now i'm going to create another one 1696674;1502389766;edivad;is now downloading again boost, meanwhile i would like to ask some questions about the fuckgoats device 1696675;1502389784;edivad;that maybe someone can answer later and i will check on the logs 1696676;1502389850;edivad;basically, i recently learned how to generate private keys with a D16 + paper and pencil, and i thought that was a great way to have low cost true entropy 1696677;1502389855;mod6;edivad: are you doing the online or offline build? 1696678;1502389862;edivad;now online mod6 1696679;1502389901;mod6;ok, that /is/ a bit less steps, so a decent place to start until you get the hang of the process. 1696680;1502389918;edivad;exactly 1696681;1502389923;asciilifeform;edivad: it's pretty expensive to use dice if your time has value. 1696682;1502389928;asciilifeform;per-byte. 1696683;1502389976;edivad;so, back to the question, is the fuckgoats device meant to be, for instance, if i run a bitcoin service that constantly need to generate private keys, let's say, for example, for an hot wallet? 1696684;1502389985;asciilifeform;for instance. 1696685;1502390025;edivad;i thought that dice was great for cheap and safe cold storage, if done it right 1696686;1502390050;edivad;but yes, asciilifeform, is very time consuming if you need to do repeatedly 1696687;1502390081;edivad;and one thing that i haven't learnt yet is how to generate a bip 44 compliant seed with dice 1696688;1502390104;asciilifeform;it's a dumb idea 1696689;1502390124;edivad;because you know, with a bip 44 compliant seed, you then generate your extended public key, and you can leave your dice in the drawer 1696690;1502390191;edivad;wasn't able to learn because those damn seeds have a last checksum word (that maybe is a perfectly ok security feature, but it cuts out manual experiments with dice) 1696691;1502390193;asciilifeform;!#s bip44 1696692;1502390193;a111;0 results for "bip44", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bip44 1696693;1502390196;asciilifeform;!#s bip 44 1696694;1502390198;a111;2 results for "bip 44", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bip%2044 1696695;1502390206;asciilifeform;!#s deterministic wallet 1696696;1502390207;a111;10 results for "deterministic wallet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deterministic%20wallet 1696697;1502390246;edivad;ok going to check the results 1696698;1502390412;edivad;> the state-of-the-art among thinking folk is that pre-generated tx are stored on paper and fed into a hot node when necessary 1696699;1502390489;edivad;absolutely true 1696700;1502390575;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-04#1396046 << see thread 1696701;1502390575;a111;Logged on 2016-02-04 01:12 asciilifeform: why the FUCK would i 1696702;1502390587;asciilifeform;why would you do this to yourself 1696703;1502390598;asciilifeform;enemy only needs to steal ONE seed to get every privkey your ever generate 1696704;1502390615;asciilifeform;( and possibly he can also set up a lattice and derive your key from N signatures ) 1696705;1502390634;edivad;so basically, tell me if I'm wrong 1696706;1502390658;edivad;using deterministic shit, I'm reducing the entropy of my keys, correct? 1696707;1502390666;asciilifeform;elementarily 1696708;1502390681;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696617 << very minimally just in case tho, you know. 1696709;1502390681;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 15:39 mod6: But wouldn't be a bad idea to throw it on there in the case where someone, decides to use the linked vdiff script, which uses diff. 1696710;1502390683;asciilifeform;and not simply 'reducing entropy', but introducing a relationship between all of them 1696711;1502390694;edivad;that's some good warning that should be public in many places 1696712;1502390719;mircea_popescu;edivad the public wants entertainment not education. 1696713;1502390737;edivad;but you know, user friendliness is going to fuck hard security perception of mainstream users 1696714;1502390768;edivad;that's quite sad, but there's nothing that will stop this general trend 1696715;1502390782;edivad;imo 1696716;1502390849;mircea_popescu;yes. there's isn't, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active. 1696717;1502390960;edivad;since i'm not yet capable to remember my 64 characters hex private key, there is a way to convert it in a seed without decreasing the security, and maybe being able to memorize it? 1696718;1502390976;edivad;i mean, not in a seed 1696719;1502390999;edivad;in some random words that can be converted into the 64 hex original key 1696720;1502391005;mircea_popescu;why not just use dicelist method. 1696721;1502391024;asciilifeform;edivad: ever read about mnemonists ? the stage magicians. 1696722;1502391054;edivad;do you mean with paper and pencil, and then storing the paper in some hole very distant from NSA eyes? mircea_popescu 1696723;1502391070;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/romanian-dicelist/ << see there. 1696724;1502391104;edivad;thanks 1696725;1502391105;mircea_popescu;write yourself one in veneto for max lulz. 1696726;1502391130;edivad;well veneto is quite far from where i live 1696727;1502391176;edivad;mod6: You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales 1696728;1502391190;edivad;this is where i'm stuck now 1696729;1502391198;mircea_popescu;edivad whatever local dialect you speak. 1696730;1502391235;edivad;yes i know what you mean 1696731;1502391247;edivad;i could even try with pornstar names 1696732;1502391289;mircea_popescu;aha. 1696733;1502391291;edivad;at these times porn industry should have generated enough pornstar name entropy 1696734;1502391293;asciilifeform;keep in mind that forgetting your 'alphabet' is just as good as forgetting the key 1696735;1502391311;mircea_popescu;only need ~6.6k. there's about 100k total whores in the pron records. 1696736;1502391324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody ever forgets a whore!!!11 1696737;1502391332;asciilifeform;lol 1696738;1502391408;edivad;mod6: auto-solved the last problem with sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 1696739;1502391414;edivad;this time google has figured out 1696740;1502391432;mod6;strange, im not sure what you mean. 1696741;1502391467;edivad;i was in a mint system without generated locales 1696742;1502391480;edivad;so had to generate it 1696743;1502391484;mod6;it's ok now? 1696744;1502391507;edivad;apparently is going forward well 1696745;1502391528;shinohai;In pantsuit lulz: http://archive.is/b3RTa 1696746;1502391532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re 2 weeks, i readily believe. 1696747;1502391533;mod6;and when you say 'mint' you don't mean 'linux mint' right? just a *new/clean* ubuntu sys? 1696748;1502391551;edivad;yes, a fresh installation 1696749;1502391564;mod6;ok good to denote. thanks. let us know if it all builds fine for ya. 1696750;1502391580;edivad;to be complete, is an lxc container that is running over proxmox 1696751;1502391638;edivad;and i must admit, i grown up with deterministic wallets in my heart and in just a couple of minutes realized how a dumb move it was 1696752;1502391795;mircea_popescu;a deterministic wallet can have its uses, but they typically aren't "user trying to cheat on running a node". 1696753;1502391929;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696608 << looks crisp, though imho "To build TRB, you are going to need some basic requirements on your system environment." is spurious unless said requirements are specified...the next line about packages and list of same seem sufficient. 1696754;1502391929;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 15:31 mod6: Hi, I've updated the howto, it's not "finalized" yet. Please take a look and let me know if this doesn't read quite right, or if I've left something out: 1696755;1502392097;edivad;mod6: same error again 1696756;1502392147;edivad;https://thepasteb.in/p/DRhjlB5vA00cy 1696757;1502392165;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696649 << are you saying cmake ships broken ?! 1696758;1502392165;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 18:19 shinohai: No in the file CheckIncludeFiles under your cmake installation 1696759;1502392172;edivad;going to do the third clean run, since i have generated the locale in the middle of the process 1696760;1502392180;mircea_popescu;edivad wouldja use p 1696761;1502392196;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696464 << primo dunning-kruger this morning. no awareness of logs, doesn't keep him from expecting the chicken coop chatter of "things are happening!" at expected rate. 1696762;1502392196;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 11:35 andrei4257: eram doar curios daca se mai intampla ceva aici 1696763;1502392198;mircea_popescu;edivad wouldja use p.bvulpes.com like sane people ? 1696764;1502392241;edivad;i'm abusing of it in some way that i haven't noticed? 1696765;1502392294;mircea_popescu;you keep coming up with random pastebins. 1696766;1502392302;mircea_popescu;hanbot heh. i expect it's deeper than that, though. dork is romanian, and that country had a ~50 year period of enforced equality-through-poverty the likes of which the us can only dream of. this has the side benefit of every kid expecting every other kid be you know, a goat of ~same size. maybe this other guy has a slightly newer car, that's the accepteable limit of it. 1696767;1502392342;mircea_popescu;this was very noticeable even when i was organising conferences for local bloggers / getting romania's new right party a headquarters etc. "oh, this doesn't really happen, mp can't really exist" etc bla bla. 1696768;1502392343;edivad;ok i will use the other pastebin no problem 1696769;1502392379;mircea_popescu;by now the psychological tension is intolerable though, "what, billionaire ?!?!?! what, tmsr ?!?!" etc. there's that little old jewish mother's voice in the back of their skull, "how come this one could and you can't ?" that's utterly killing them. 1696770;1502392383;shinohai;mircea_popescu: The cmake in Debian/Ubuntu repositories used to have that pthread bug, first time I built a trb with `V` that happened. 1696771;1502392390;mircea_popescu;denial very cheap solution to resolve this pressure. 1696772;1502392406;mircea_popescu;shinohai consider reporting on their list ? maybe. 1696773;1502392439;hanbot;mircea_popescu : i seem to remember a period in which the .ro line went that you were "illegal", yeah. 1696774;1502392473;mircea_popescu;o yeah, recall that ? "reality diverged from comfortable model thereof, but it has been denied with appropriate incantations and can now go back to bed. i wonder what's on tv ?" 1696775;1502392475;shinohai;It was fixed apparently: https://cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=15058 1696776;1502392480;mircea_popescu;a ok then. 1696777;1502392551;edivad;shinohai: may I ask how I can find CheckIncludeFiles under Ubuntu? 1696778;1502392560;edivad;so i can change the line that you have posted 1696779;1502392561;*;shinohai is happy to no longer suffer from Debian/Ubuntu infection 1696780;1502392581;mod6;<+shinohai> mircea_popescu: The cmake in Debian/Ubuntu repositories used to have that pthread bug, first time I built a trb with `V` that happened. << i don't remember ever having this issue fwiw 1696781;1502392584;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696641 << that file. 1696782;1502392584;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 18:16 shinohai: ^ That pthread issue I solved on Debian by going to /usr/share/cmake and changing a line in CheckIncludeFiles.cmake 1696783;1502392599;mircea_popescu;mod6 me either. nfi, prolly cuz of ubuntu packaging. 1696784;1502392670;shinohai;edivad: If it isn't in /usr/share then you may have to grep for it .... tbh I rarely used Ubuntu so 1696785;1502392851;shinohai;I did: shinohai@trb locate CheckIncludeFiles.cmake 1696786;1502392854;shinohai;/usr/share/cmake/Modules/CheckIncludeFiles.cmake 1696787;1502392858;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696685 << it's cheap in the sense making your shoes by hand is cheap. it can be fun, but that's as far as it goes. leaving aside problems of how much a pair of aluminum, ruby or w/e dice cost (ie, GOOD dice), a throw provides you with a few bit's worth, FG spits out kB's worth per second. on a per-entropy-bit cost, figuring in capital goods, salary for the thrower, etcetera, FG is about 5 de 1696788;1502392858;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 18:33 edivad: i thought that dice was great for cheap and safe cold storage, if done it right 1696789;1502392858;mircea_popescu;grees of magnitude cheaper. 1696790;1502392912;mod6;edivad: if `locate` doesn't find it, perhaps a simple find will: `find / -name "CheckIncludeFiles.cmake"` 1696791;1502392924;edivad;shinohai: found 1696792;1502392927;edivad;here is mine 1696793;1502392928;edivad;https://pastebin.com/wa99MXm4 1696794;1502392941;edivad;it's pretty much already modded as you have told 1696795;1502392960;mircea_popescu;edivad use p.bvulpes.com not pastebin.com thepasteb.in etc. 1696796;1502393003;edivad;ok 1696797;1502393013;shinohai;Ah ok .... so that must not be your particular issue 1696798;1502393142;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696704 >> this is the real concern. 1696799;1502393142;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 18:43 asciilifeform: ( and possibly he can also set up a lattice and derive your key from N signatures ) 1696800;1502393176;mircea_popescu;we have some expectations about security, they do not include the self-diddle that is "deterministic signatures", ie, i'll sign with a shitton of mathematically related privkeys. 1696801;1502393194;mircea_popescu;all investigation of cryptosystems involved in bitcoin fundamentally rely on "unrelated keys" assumption. 1696802;1502393207;edivad;can i read something about lattice? i haven't understood well the message 1696803;1502393249;mircea_popescu;it's always been a major lulz for me that the same idiots howling about "don't reuse addresses -- it makes usg's pretense of defungibilizing bitcoin that less tenable" never happened to ever mention "don't deterministic wallets, it's on the level of cesar cipher homebrew". 1696804;1502393389;mircea_popescu;because hey, that's what the public needs "experts" on the level of 1696805;1502393412;mircea_popescu;what the fuck was that name of that poinless douche with a "tv show" and some "assistant" retarded chick masquerading about being me back in 2014ish ? k something 1696806;1502393676;asciilifeform;( meanwhile from the vintage cryptoidiocies file, http://archives.seul.org/tor/dev/Dec-2014/msg00099.html ) 1696807;1502393738;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ << keiser. whatever happened to him ? 1696808;1502393741;mircea_popescu;see alf, some do go away. 1696809;1502393889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know what else reuses a hardcoded IV ? 1696810;1502393929;shinohai;Keiser still fawning for camera apparently: http://archive.is/Flk31 1696811;1502393959;mircea_popescu;shinohai heh. 1696812;1502393981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gpg? 1696813;1502393987;mircea_popescu;ding! 1696814;1502394045;asciilifeform;meanwhile from literature search, every article ever, apparently, written re 'constant time modular exponentiation' proposes... tables 1696815;1502394055;asciilifeform;aka death by cache differentials. 1696816;1502394055;mircea_popescu;matrixes! ha-HA!\ 1696817;1502394071;asciilifeform;'we sprayed perfume over the corpse, it is alive' 1696818;1502394072;mircea_popescu;my intuitions while useless are entirely correct! i feel much better about self. 1696819;1502394077;asciilifeform;lol 1696820;1502394117;mircea_popescu;the bitch with any such approach, as i realised last night. there is NO WAY to protect yourself from downstream cache. no way. 1696821;1502394126;asciilifeform;( for n00bz : indexed load from memory is a leaking operation on ~all extant iron ) 1696822;1502394148;mircea_popescu;you don't even have to know it's there, your code with your entire machine could be emulated later (a la bolix on chip say) and you'd suddenly be weak, even if you deliberately included no cache. 1696823;1502394155;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cache only comes into play if your memory fetch ~address~ sequence is secret-dependent 1696824;1502394171;asciilifeform;in currently published ffa set, none of the ops do this 1696825;1502394177;asciilifeform;and i ain't about to introduce any. 1696826;1502394194;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the whole fucking point of making a n-dimensional table, be it 1 or whatever else, is to avoid looking at all the cells all the time 1696827;1502394197;asciilifeform;( effect of caching is to make some addrs load, at particular ( or all ) times faster than others. ) 1696828;1502394209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we gotta. look. at. every. cell. every. time. 1696829;1502394215;asciilifeform;algebraic. 1696830;1502394216;mircea_popescu;aha 1696831;1502394232;mircea_popescu;that's not how the real world works tho! 1696832;1502394243;asciilifeform;lol 1696833;1502394250;mircea_popescu;myeah 1696834;1502394318;asciilifeform;forn00bz: an, e.g., rsa modexp, in ffa, must be representable by a long roll of paper, on it are ops for ordinary 4function calculator, with very patient slave. and roll ONLY ROLLS FORWARD and has finite # of instructions on it, known in advance when you decide the ffa width. 1696835;1502394346;mircea_popescu;this terribler / tribler thing is a very amusing read. 1696836;1502394363;asciilifeform;importantly, same roll MUST work for all possible m^d mod n params. 1696837;1502394367;asciilifeform;(of given width.) 1696838;1502394391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linked item was and remains quite typical of subj 1696839;1502394398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, the guy complains about the modular exponentiation not being constant time. maybe write to him ask where he ever saw a sane algo ? 1696840;1502394410;asciilifeform;( various 'anon' shitchats and various pseudogossiptrons ) 1696841;1502394433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody knows , afaik, a sane algo. not 1 lib implements anything of the kind 1696842;1502394440;asciilifeform;openssl, for instance, features the one with tables 1696843;1502394445;mircea_popescu;doesn't keep him from complaining about it, so worth an ask. 1696844;1502394447;asciilifeform;and leaks timing on every intel box since 1990s 1696845;1502394519;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also why not ask him re philosopher's stone!11 1696846;1502394549;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1696847;1502394694;asciilifeform;while we're on the subj of 'cryptographers' : a constant time gcd is also apparently not known. 1696848;1502394751;asciilifeform;ditto modular inverse 1696849;1502394758;asciilifeform;ditto modular mult 1696850;1502394902;asciilifeform;plenty of nonsense claiming to solve these, entire forests annihilated. but EVERYONE pulled the scam described earlier ( memory indexed by secret value ) 1696851;1502395037;asciilifeform;most don't even bother with this pretense. http://archive.is/GNrtB is a more typical idiocy 1696852;1502395049;asciilifeform;contribution to gmp 1696853;1502395058;asciilifeform;observe... ORDINARY BRANCHING! 1696854;1502395096;asciilifeform;claims ' Compute V <-- A^{-1} (mod M), in data-independent time.' in comments tho 1696855;1502395133;asciilifeform;exercise for reader : find the hidden conditionals. 1696856;1502395289;asciilifeform;actually hm, maybe not a lie 1696857;1502395295;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to torture room 1696858;1502396431;asciilifeform;https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/161.pdf >> for whoever it was who had asked re lattice solving for privkey 1696859;1502400472;edivad;hallo 1696860;1502400489;edivad;i have a super good news, node is compiled, up and running 1696861;1502400518;edivad;thanks again to all of you that have helped me in the troubleshooting 1696862;1502400573;edivad;now instructions are much clearer 1696863;1502400626;shinohai;\o/ 1696864;1502400665;shinohai;Nice work edivad 1696865;1502400684;edivad;now that i run a node i can consider myself truly part of tmsr? 1696866;1502400751;shinohai;Tis a start. 1696867;1502400822;edivad;i think that is important to add to the guide that the average joe will need at least 6 gb of space in his hard disk to be able to compile from scratch TRB 1696868;1502400931;edivad;i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space 1696869;1502400976;trinque;pittance compared to what you'll need to hold the blockchain, eh? 1696870;1502400987;edivad;problem is this 1696871;1502401002;edivad;i keep the blockchain stored separatedly 1696872;1502401035;trinque;ah well sure, suppose mod6 could mention the build environment is going to be big. 1696873;1502401043;trinque;anyhow wd edivad 1696874;1502401049;edivad;that precious indexed database, with hours of CPU time on his shoulders, won't be mixed with dirty system files 1696875;1502401095;edivad;in my case i've recycled a previous bitcoin core blockchain and fired up TRB 1696876;1502401105;edivad;and now is checking every block from the beginning 1696877;1502401140;edivad;other quick questions are rising 1696878;1502401196;edivad;the 1st) when i started for the first time TRB, he was bitching that myip=something wasn't present on my .conf. Is this a TRB specific requirement? 1696879;1502401284;edivad;2nd) the second time that i've started TRB, it was complaining that wallet.dat was corrupted (this wallet.dat was generated from latest core, so i suppose is deterministic, is this the reason for being rejected?) 1696880;1502401305;mod6;<+edivad> i have a super good news, node is compiled, up and running << yay! 1696881;1502401309;trinque;1, correct, see asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatch 1696882;1502401320;trinque;it was calling out to some website for external IP, which is nonsense. 1696883;1502401331;edivad;ok perfect 1696884;1502401334;mod6;<+edivad> thanks again to all of you that have helped me in the troubleshooting << You're welcome. Very good of you to have such persistence to keep working through the issues. 1696885;1502401345;trinque;2, entirely likely the power rangers changed the wallet format 1696886;1502401395;mod6;<+edivad> i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space << oh sure. I didn't even think to ask. Next time I will. 1696887;1502401424;mod6;<+trinque> ah well sure, suppose mod6 could mention the build environment is going to be big. << While I'm at it on the updates; i think, let's say, you need a minimum of what? 20Gb ? 1696888;1502401477;edivad;ok perfect, the third time that i've restarted the node there weren't no problem at all 1696889;1502401480;trinque;looks like my trb dir weighs 4.5gb over here; something like that should be fine 1696890;1502401497;mod6;yeah, that's always what mine is once complete, ~4.5G 1696891;1502401505;edivad;i need to ask something more political than technical 1696892;1502401507;mod6;I'll say 20G, that should suffice, for now. 1696893;1502401512;trinque;edivad: don't ask to ask. 1696894;1502401522;edivad;i've understood that TRB = purity 1696895;1502401546;trinque;!#s taint 1696896;1502401547;a111;141 results for "taint", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=taint 1696897;1502401584;trinque;edivad: define "purity" before proceeding. 1696898;1502401600;edivad;in the case of segwit, this means that trb won't care about segwit blocks and as long as they will complies with the "hard rules" (I really don't know how to explain myself better) they will be accepted? 1696899;1502401678;mod6;ok updated, take another look: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html 1696900;1502401705;edivad;nice mod6 1696901;1502401716;mod6;o7 1696902;1502401729;mod6;Thanks again. 1696903;1502401759;trinque;edivad: can search the logs first, eh? there's lots in there re: segwit and other failures of folks to diddle the definition of bitcoin 1696904;1502401774;trinque;as currently derped, yep, "segwit" shouldn't mean a damn thing to bitcoin proper. 1696905;1502401794;mod6;edivad: yah, it'll really help you out to read at least 6 months of logs. And if you read more, even better. There's a wealth of knowledge in there. 1696906;1502401832;trinque;cept that eventually miners will defect from the thing, and steal everyone's segwit "transactions", much to the lul of all. 1696907;1502401858;edivad;ok I'll read it before asking political questions 1696908;1502402121;shinohai;Also, from here onwards you should refer to Segwit as `Segshit` 1696909;1502402173;trinque;oh I got one: segregated witless 1696910;1502402205;shinohai;lel 1696911;1502410421;mircea_popescu;in other 15yos, http://68.media.tumblr.com/497c1d85146e70094fa09048951289c9/tumblr_o53tfx15sG1ukw672o1_1280.jpg 1696912;1502410619;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696868 << running bitcoin nodes in containers is a really bad idea anyway. 1696913;1502410619;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 21:35 edivad: i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space 1696914;1502410681;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696875 << it is conceivable you can reuse prb blockchains, if you care. not that there's anything wrong with rechecking the chain if oyu're in no hurry. expect a coupla months tho. and i suppose look into eatblock etc while at it. 1696915;1502410681;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 21:38 edivad: in my case i've recycled a previous bitcoin core blockchain and fired up TRB 1696916;1502410807;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696890 << um my chain is 151Gb, wtf are you folk doing ?! 1696917;1502410807;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 21:44 mod6: yeah, that's always what mine is once complete, ~4.5G 1696918;1502410857;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696898 << yes. 1696919;1502410857;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 21:46 edivad: in the case of segwit, this means that trb won't care about segwit blocks and as long as they will complies with the "hard rules" (I really don't know how to explain myself better) they will be accepted? 1696920;1502411760;ben_vulpes;in other fuddings, https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fed-has-6-200-tons-of-gold-in-a-manhattan-basementor-does-it-1502382644 1696921;1502411775;mircea_popescu;lel 1696922;1502411822;mircea_popescu;tru fact : 6Tg of gold is detectable from a bridge over east river. 1696923;1502411860;ben_vulpes;how's that? 1696924;1502411872;mircea_popescu;same way it's detected when people start a mine. 1696925;1502411893;mircea_popescu;ultrasound, rad scatter, there's a whole list. 1696926;1502411994;mircea_popescu;if you have such a narrow premise ("is there or is there not a terragram of gold at so and so coords") experimental falsification is trivial, and not even expensive in contex. the bitch is forming the premise in the first place. 1696927;1502412549;trinque;4.5gb for trb build, not blockchain 1696928;1502412560;mircea_popescu;a a 1696929;1502412937;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes gold / other heavy metals are sorta fluorescent, let's say, in X-ray illumination. leaving aside that even amateur beach comber fare on sale for the cost of a lawn mower can see large chunks at 20-30 meters (that's 10 floors or so). 1696930;1502413784;asciilifeform;holy shit, ultrasound 'from a bridge over east river'?! 1696931;1502413877;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu might like to mention the xray background ( wtf? ever consider the self-absorption of an item with density of gold!?) to prospectors 1696932;1502413892;asciilifeform;who never heard of any such thing 1696933;1502413971;asciilifeform;now theoretically you could pick up a cubic few metres of au with... gravimeter. but strictly from, e.g., 1 story up 1696934;1502413984;asciilifeform;and certainly not 'across the river' 1696935;1502414027;asciilifeform;cavities (e.g. mines, tunnels) are a different story, the missing soil is quite 'loud' gravimetrically 1696936;1502414101;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1696926 << can set up mass of depleted uranium and trick gravimeter. 1696937;1502414101;a111;Logged on 2017-08-11 00:39 mircea_popescu: if you have such a narrow premise ("is there or is there not a terragram of gold at so and so coords") experimental falsification is trivial, and not even expensive in contex. the bitch is forming the premise in the first place. 1696938;1502414150;asciilifeform;none of the other measures work through the door, sadly. even if we were discussing sr-90 rather than au 1696939;1502414189;asciilifeform;the only thing that'd make it 'across river' is gravity , and possibly fast neutrons. which au dun emit. 1696940;1502414241;asciilifeform;( unless the au-via-neutron bombardment thing were to take off.. ) 1696941;1502414322;asciilifeform;to round off the wtf -- 'beachcomber' inductive 'minesweeper' tops out at 30-40 ~cm~, not m 1696942;1502414368;asciilifeform;ground-penetrating radar gives a few M, realistically, fewer in dense or wet material . 1696943;1502414527;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1696914 << mno, they use different db 1696944;1502414527;a111;Logged on 2017-08-11 00:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696875 << it is conceivable you can reuse prb blockchains, if you care. not that there's anything wrong with rechecking the chain if oyu're in no hurry. expect a coupla months tho. and i suppose look into eatblock etc while at it. 1696945;1502414536;asciilifeform;the index won't read by trb. 1696946;1502415065;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's the thing, it absorbs, and then emits. 1696947;1502415078;mircea_popescu;this is actually in production, dun hate me. 1696948;1502415361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and no, inductive sweeper will go meters for large enough (100gram) chunks. 1696949;1502415399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in production where? 1696950;1502415435;mircea_popescu;australia for one. everywhere there's enough gold to be worth it. 1696951;1502415483;asciilifeform;first place i'd expect it is at usg border arch. 1696952;1502415499;mircea_popescu;nah. it's container sized item 1696953;1502415510;asciilifeform;so is the neutronograph 1696954;1502415524;mircea_popescu;it's also you know... unhealthy. 1696955;1502415552;asciilifeform;if you're thinking of item that ~emits~ xray... 1696956;1502415553;mircea_popescu;anyway. many ops deploy it to reduce lossage. 1696957;1502415577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes dude. let's redo the sentence : "gold / other heavy metals are sorta fluorescent, let's say, in X-ray illumination" 1696958;1502415587;asciilifeform;inverse-square is a thing. picture what you'd need to even go above backgnd at 'river' distance 1696959;1502415599;mircea_popescu;if you put an x-ray lamp on gold, and then turn it off, you will see some radiation back, and on specific frequency 1696960;1502415603;asciilifeform;at a metre or 2 yes 1696961;1502415612;mircea_popescu;you can beam xrays. 1696962;1502415631;asciilifeform;gotta wake up regan and tell him how 1696963;1502415665;mircea_popescu;next you're going to nix lasers because you saw a lightbulb once. 1696964;1502415666;asciilifeform;( sdi sank from, among other lulz, failure to discover a practical xray laser ) 1696965;1502415688;asciilifeform;hey it's possible in principle... 1696966;1502415716;mircea_popescu;!~google colimated high energy x-rays 1696967;1502415717;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: High - energy X - rays - Wikipedia: ; Beam collimation with polycapillary x - ray optics for high ... - NCBI: ; velopment HIGH ENERGY X - RAY DIFFRACTION ... - NIST: 1696968;1502415718;asciilifeform;( from what to make mirrors?! tho ) 1696969;1502415742;asciilifeform;refraction works, in every crystallography shop 1696970;1502415747;asciilifeform;but how to reflect. 1696971;1502415748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know this field has advanced significantly ? they have all sorts of phase-velocity abusing composites and so on. 1696972;1502415757;asciilifeform;that was the hope aha 1696973;1502415788;asciilifeform;'metamaterial' 1696974;1502415795;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1696975;1502415866;asciilifeform;even pumped beam , or epic cosmic ray, still stops a few ~cm~ in au or pb tho 1696976;1502415877;mircea_popescu;anyway. the whole point was that such a large agglomeration of single-atom rare element is eminently detectable. it is. 1696977;1502415877;asciilifeform;a few M in soil, brick. 1696978;1502415950;asciilifeform;if it falls on you - yes detectable. on xray in a man-sized arch, hidden in a snatch - detectable. from river - can't picture how. 1696979;1502416045;asciilifeform;even sr90 lighthouse rtg , unshielded, is ~silent from few 100m of ~air~ 1696980;1502416104;mircea_popescu;there's no even here. different emission profile entirely. 1696981;1502416136;asciilifeform;show me the magic particle that has infinite free path even in air, much less earth, cement 1696982;1502416175;asciilifeform;even fast neutron tops out at a few M of solid dirt 1696983;1502416194;mircea_popescu;fast neutron is bad model for energetic photon 1696984;1502416199;mircea_popescu;there is no "even". 1696985;1502416209;mircea_popescu;"even car stops at light, bike is smaller than car!!" is bad argument. 1696986;1502416260;asciilifeform;show me the particle ? e.g., x kEv gamma. which is it. 1696987;1502416265;mircea_popescu;lol kev 1696988;1502416277;mircea_popescu;how about you know, 20MeV if we're bothering at all ? 1696989;1502416293;asciilifeform;let's take all 100mEv 1696990;1502416311;asciilifeform;that's 5 or so cm of pb. 1696991;1502416316;asciilifeform;and it's gone. 1696992;1502416329;mircea_popescu;actually, no. 2mev is 10 cm. 1696993;1502416359;mircea_popescu;and soil is no pb. and it's not "gone", it's 1/e'd. the remainder can... 1/e again. and so on. 1696994;1502416385;mircea_popescu;the threshold for detectability is below 1kev (review your pll discussion to see why it goes way below "base"). 1696995;1502416394;asciilifeform;'gone' in practice means 'not measurable over backgnd' 1696996;1502416409;asciilifeform;how do you pll for radiodecay?!!! 1696997;1502416415;asciilifeform;it aint periodic 1696998;1502416448;mircea_popescu;basically, a high energy xray will lose 2/3 of its energy every dozen or so meters. whatever's left illuminates the gold (there's no crossing gold, too large barn), and then gets sent back, as gold-xray-pink 1696999;1502416448;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu admit, do you have a bottle of rum open..? 1697000;1502416450;mircea_popescu;which is quite specific. 1697001;1502416482;asciilifeform;this worx great in a man-sized box 1697002;1502416501;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ye. 1697003;1502416502;asciilifeform;objection is 'through door, wall, across river' 1697004;1502416519;asciilifeform;though it'd rock. 1697005;1502416595;mircea_popescu;taking 20MeV source arbitrarily and 2 kev detector, you have roughly speaking 8 and a half halvings at your disposal. if your 1/e distance is 10 meters, that means 40 meters away your detector will still work. 1697006;1502416628;mircea_popescu;i dun have the datasheets to give better numbers with, but anyway. 1697007;1502416636;asciilifeform;the backscatter gotta come back tho 1697008;1502416649;mircea_popescu;yes, 4 * 10 to go, 4 * 10 to return. 1697009;1502416667;asciilifeform;most of it dun return in same direction ... 1697010;1502416692;mircea_popescu;yeah, and detector works as low as 10 ev sorta level. 1697011;1502416721;asciilifeform;but lacking the actual magic nums ( asciilifeform is still at beachhouse, lol ) i'ma have to leave it at 'maybe works from 40m!' 1697012;1502416722;mircea_popescu;anyway! rather than bickering over the obviously rhetorics involved, how about we in general agree that such a huge mass of a rare atom is eminently detectable and thassat. 1697013;1502416748;asciilifeform;i'd still bet on gravimeter, if i had to go and detect it meself 1697014;1502416773;mircea_popescu;i didn't by any means aim to produce an exhaustive or practical list! 1697015;1502416790;mircea_popescu;but on the contrary : "even scandalous methods still work". which they do. 1697016;1502416845;asciilifeform;gravimeter's the only thing that'd give actual idea of the mass, rather than volume, of the pile. 1697017;1502416892;asciilifeform;which afaik is what the 'fed au is tungstentronic' thing is really about 1697018;1502416909;mircea_popescu;tungsten is comparable mass isn't it ? 1697019;1502416916;asciilifeform;nope 1697020;1502416937;mircea_popescu;anyway. tungsten xray pink very different from gold xray pink. which is teh real idea! 1697021;1502416939;asciilifeform;well, not terribly far, but not same 1697022;1502416956;asciilifeform;this only affects surface x cm of pile tho 1697023;1502416961;mircea_popescu;true. 1697024;1502416970;asciilifeform;( supposing you could walk up to it and illuminate ) 1697025;1502416973;mircea_popescu;could "glaze" by arranging them 1697026;1502416978;mircea_popescu;which i expect they did do. 1697027;1502416982;asciilifeform;aha! 1697028;1502416989;asciilifeform;for visiting lizards 1697029;1502417005;asciilifeform;( iirc nixon was the last ) 1697030;1502417556;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682481 << aaand i just bounced off of this 1697031;1502417556;a111;Logged on 2017-07-13 15:18 phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. not so, and you can see it with the recent evolution of sbcl. for example they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols, e.g. (flet ((first (...))) ...) will fail, breaking a lot of reasonable old code. many historic idioms likewise produce compilation warnings, etc. 1697032;1502417637;ben_vulpes;while i'm on the topic, can confirm that 'modern' asdf is all sorts of royal pita as well, although that thread has been well hashed in the logs 1697033;1502418189;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/did-you-ever-claim-to-have-butterflies-in-your-stomach/ << Trilema - Did you ever claim to have butterflies in your stomach ? 1697034;1502420429;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697035;1502420446;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3419.99, vol: 9161.91729630 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3419.1, vol: 19964.5032206 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3402.046496, vol: 9361.89220000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3459.999, vol: 4143.61787294 | Volume-weighted last average: 3419.52153539 1697036;1502422028;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/oregon-school-board-erasing-donor-family-name-from-buildings/ << Qntra - Oregon School Board Erasing Donor Family Name From Buildings 1697037;1502422104;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho 1697038;1502422181;BingoBoingo;tyvm ben_vulpes 1697039;1502422269;*;ben_vulpes tips hat 1697040;1502422878;mircea_popescu;o hey wd. is it your first ? 1697041;1502423029;ben_vulpes;nono, just found it very amusing 1697042;1502423104;ben_vulpes;that level of shiv/word density is far beyond what i can accomplish, BingoBoingo has been practicing 1697043;1502423280;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: You too can increase your razorblade to punction mark count too! 1697044;1502423287;mircea_popescu;ah ah. yea 1697045;1502423340;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i appreciate the exhortation 1697046;1502423364;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Who knows how much your language could sharpen if you consistently wrote Qntra for 34 months? 1697047;1502423369;ben_vulpes;step 1: home orifice. step 2: being useful member of society 1697048;1502423429;BingoBoingo;home orifice consists of putting desk next to bed. One is for writing, other for sleeping, both useful furniture for fucking guests. 1697049;1502423576;ben_vulpes;dun work for me, orifice gotta be childfree 1697050;1502423599;BingoBoingo;child plays in yard? 1697051;1502423651;ben_vulpes;yes and 1697052;1502423658;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: gotta realize, i'm a sucker for cuddles 1697053;1502423668;ben_vulpes;wimminz, puppiez, childrenz 1697054;1502423762;BingoBoingo;Now that's gotta drain the venom. Why are you bothering with productivity worries? First things first! 1697055;1502423866;ben_vulpes;i'm waiting for age and failure to mature me into a nice ball of hate 1697056;1502423945;BingoBoingo;Maybe spend a bit of time with some people who've been wrecked by Inca, want better for the puppies? 1697057;1502424135;ben_vulpes;for all the inca-wreckage in my life, few of the wrecked are willing to realize the root of their distress. 1697058;1502424164;ben_vulpes;and you know, "if i ain't fuckin you, i ain't fixin your head neither" 1697059;1502424857;BingoBoingo;Eh, more an exercise in reading Trilema in IRL 1697060;1502426934;mircea_popescu;few of the wrecked are willing to realize the root of their distress << the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making sliding in easy to do and pulling out easy to forget. 1697061;1502428365;ben_vulpes;hey erlehmann i have a grammar project for ya: https://www.wired.com/story/malware-dna-hack 1697062;1502428910;mircea_popescu;loller 1697063;1502428953;mircea_popescu;i'm vaguely curious if/when guy manages to escape his worm form. 1697064;1502428970;mircea_popescu;so far rather headed down the adlai chute i guess. 1697065;1502429029;mircea_popescu;but, in other applied twistodynamics, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b1e02708882870196734c8aac584355c/tumblr_o2hw1bq7fh1uwcsj1o1_500.gif 1697066;1502434118;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/a-new-leaf/ << Trilema - A New Leaf 1697067;1502444956;BingoBoingo;!!u[ scatha 1697068;1502444964;BingoBoingo;!!up scatha 1697069;1502444965;deedbot;scatha voiced for 30 minutes. 1697070;1502465433;mircea_popescu;aaand in other tor lulz, guess what is "privateinternetaccess.com", other than of course the "partner" of pretty much every irc network out there, from freenode to snoonet. 1697071;1502466130;asciilifeform;the screamingly obvious? 1697072;1502466159;shinohai;iirc they also donated hosting for tardstalk or something like that 1697073;1502466186;asciilifeform;pestilential spamvertise, also 1697074;1502467250;mircea_popescu;awww. 1697075;1502468204;shinohai;Heh I missed this lulzy anonymint trb writeup http://archive.is/BZ2ka 1697076;1502469546;ben_vulpes;dns is good for you: http://marc.info/?l=git&m=150238802328673&w=2 1697077;1502469653;asciilifeform;runmoarGit 1697078;1502469687;ben_vulpes;and, and, and. 1697079;1502470489;ben_vulpes;in reading some commentary on seattle's new tax on the rich, i learn that a sales tax is regressive because rich people pay a smaller fraction of their income in taxes than poors 1697080;1502470529;mircea_popescu;lmao 1697081;1502470690;ben_vulpes;another funny tidbit is that a) anything other than a flat tax is strictly constitutionally prohibited in washington and b) 33.65.030: "A county, city, or city-county shall not levy a tax on net income." 1697082;1502470740;ben_vulpes;gonna paraphrase here, "we're sure that when the supreme court hears about how our schools are so terribly underfunded they'll reconsider their ruling on the consitutionality of this tax" 1697083;1502470757;ben_vulpes;har har har 1697084;1502471028;mircea_popescu;lmao 1697085;1502471037;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is this supposed to work even. 1697086;1502471444;ben_vulpes;well if they say it enough and if enough people vote for it surely it will become the new law 1697087;1502471448;ben_vulpes;that's how laws work right? 1697088;1502471461;ben_vulpes;we just...vote? and it happens? 1697089;1502471931;mircea_popescu;epic. 1697090;1502473034;trinque;how did seattle pull this off before portland? 1697091;1502473054;mircea_popescu;more faggots. 1697092;1502473070;trinque;the "arts tax" bureaucratic infrastructure already there 1697093;1502473075;trinque;yeah I guess by mass, if not proportion 1697094;1502473103;mircea_popescu;lol 1697095;1502473329;mircea_popescu;shinohai looks like he's trying to grok it all. 1697096;1502473376;ben_vulpes;trinque: i wouldn't go so far as to say they pulled it off 1697097;1502473407;*;asciilifeform found subj ~unreadable -- on account of the sheer qty of wtf redditolade priors baked in 1697098;1502473454;mircea_popescu;summary : he's trying to make sense of the political posturing of fiat entities, arrives at the conclusion that bitmain is buying the worthless clone with bitcoin it intends to doublespend away from the silly buyers later on. 1697099;1502473465;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't be trhe first time usg's criminal entreprise front pulled this scam. 1697100;1502473514;mircea_popescu;for instance : usg released a convicted felon / ndrngheta man (sony vleisides) for the purpose of pulling a "we build asic miners" scam in bitcoin to buy nsa enough time to make some themselves. 1697101;1502473538;mircea_popescu;this got called out, and in order to "silence" it, josh zerlan went around making "bets" on "betting sites" about how bfl will deliver. 1697102;1502473558;mircea_popescu;when bitbet blew a ~1k hole through this plan, they paid luke-jr a pittance to falsely claim they had delivered to him. 1697103;1502473558;asciilifeform;oh the lukejr thing 1697104;1502473561;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1697105;1502473586;mircea_popescu;exactly the same play. oh, we "buy" bitcoin crash. if it takes, it's good. if it doesn't take, guess what, segwit unroll later. 1697106;1502473601;mircea_popescu;kinda how the two neurons left in the whale work. 1697107;1502473667;asciilifeform;incidentally what's the derpchain block interval these days 1697108;1502473678;mircea_popescu;now, if this is the plan it's not a very good one (you can bury a segwit tx into legitimate spending which is deep enough to not be practically reorg-able) but anyway 1697109;1502473709;ben_vulpes;isn't the practicality of reorg a function of segwitolade sum? 1697110;1502473719;mircea_popescu;but then again usg fronts don't need a good plan, they just need A PLAN. something, at all. idiots don't read. 1697111;1502473771;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and block depth. if you make segwit tx a to me at height 1 and i put it into a normal tx at block 2, i can spend it from block 3 as my bitcoin, the segwitnmess is gone out of it. to steal it from me, one has to rewind all the way to block 1 again. which is possible, but expensive as the chain builds. 1697112;1502473815;mircea_popescu;moreover, this is no different from any other rewind : if a long chain is orphaned a number of txn are reversed thereby. 1697113;1502473847;asciilifeform;did we ever do the 'processing reorgs requires extending some credit to allcomers' thread ? 1697114;1502473874;mircea_popescu;as part in the "bitcoin needs rewrite" thread. 1697115;1502473880;asciilifeform;aha possibly 1697116;1502473884;asciilifeform;can't seem to find it in l0g 1697117;1502473892;mircea_popescu;i mean -- not specifically, implicit in ~. 1697118;1502473971;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the substantial weakness segwit adds to bitcoin chain security is that witout it, one needs the power to unwind the chain AND the keys of old txn to steal bitcoin. whereas with it, one only needs the hash power, as anyone can spend the segwit shit. 1697119;1502473987;mircea_popescu;so in this sense it makes securing the chain more expensive, which is a legitimate 2nd goal of usg. 1697120;1502474048;asciilifeform;the 3rd goal is to make the 'softfork' liquishit ' a necessity ' somehow, to harden it 1697121;1502474059;asciilifeform;'It Would Be Wrong if indeed anyone-could-spend' etc 1697122;1502474100;mircea_popescu;right, maybe there's some color-of-bits finally imported into bitcoin this way ? please ? so usg can still has a point in world ? 1697123;1502474113;asciilifeform;and ultimately to cement in place the practice of imposing nonbitcointronic constraints on what is spendable. 1697124;1502474116;asciilifeform;aha, that. 1697125;1502474136;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/a-story-about-romania-thats-totally-not-about-anything-else/ << Trilema - A story about Romania that's totally not about anything else. 1697126;1502474144;mircea_popescu;anyway, 0 shits given, becoming "more subtle" does not help the cattle empire. if the blunt didn't work, the sharp is a lulz. 1697127;1502474497;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697125 << this comprehensible to anyone ? 1697128;1502474497;a111;Logged on 2017-08-11 17:55 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/a-story-about-romania-thats-totally-not-about-anything-else/ << Trilema - A story about Romania that's totally not about anything else. 1697129;1502474511;asciilifeform;quite comprehensible 1697130;1502474516;asciilifeform;i just finished eating it 1697131;1502474530;asciilifeform;( currently eating some of the vintage ro links therein ) 1697132;1502474551;mircea_popescu;it irks me that over time, the points made need ever more words AND STILL the jumps/gaps have to grow. fucking radial problem. 1697133;1502474598;BingoBoingo;Bigger radial problem for the spooks 1697134;1502474615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is there moar re the monk d00d somewhere ? 1697135;1502474621;asciilifeform;the one with the attic cache 1697136;1502474652;BingoBoingo;"Oh the people NSA hired to read trilema in 2013 moved on to management and these new interns gotta start over" 1697137;1502475120;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure, he was bishop of cluj and nearly ended up patriarch 1697138;1502475123;mircea_popescu;(they stole the election). 1697139;1502475225;asciilifeform;from what did he die? 1697140;1502475227;asciilifeform;contract ? 1697141;1502475230;mircea_popescu;old age. 1697142;1502475235;asciilifeform;aah 1697143;1502475236;mircea_popescu;i knjow. he lived in my city. 1697144;1502475256;mircea_popescu;amusingly, guy prayed he survive to complete translation of testament. did so. died thereafter. 1697145;1502475283;mircea_popescu;(was 90 yo) 1697146;1502475293;asciilifeform;translation to what 1697147;1502475662;mircea_popescu;romanian. 1697148;1502475686;mircea_popescu;(amusingly, because a succession of these since the 1970s, there's much better ro testaments than say en.) 1697149;1502475695;mircea_popescu;since the 1700s i mean. 1697150;1502475702;asciilifeform;en is stuck in 1600s 1697151;1502475728;asciilifeform;( the best-selling ver is, i shit thee not, by king james ) 1697152;1502475776;mircea_popescu;no, i know. 1697153;1502476131;mircea_popescu;anyway. his ro "diortosire" is a very well illuminated source, as to the original material, and if one speaks ro one benefits from reading it even if one can also read the septuagint in original. 1697154;1502476227;mircea_popescu;(contrary to the naive expectation, common attic fluency is not achieved throgh "knowing the words". there is no such knowing.) 1697155;1502476473;asciilifeform;waiwat 1697156;1502476481;mircea_popescu;which part ? 1697157;1502476487;asciilifeform;'knowing the words' 1697158;1502476524;mircea_popescu;the latin approach to language is "word is symbol for its definition". 1697159;1502476529;mircea_popescu;greek doesn't have this. 1697160;1502476556;mircea_popescu;a greek word is "what is left out of the space of all possible meanings once all the meanings interdicted by the other words have been removed". 1697161;1502476560;mircea_popescu;very different thing altogether. 1697162;1502476577;asciilifeform;lol greek as lisp 1697163;1502476587;mircea_popescu;it is. 1697164;1502476620;mircea_popescu;this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down. 1697165;1502476625;asciilifeform;street (vs ecclesiastic) humanlangs sadly dun work like this 1697166;1502476626;asciilifeform;ask the esperantists. 1697167;1502476640;mircea_popescu;common attic was never much of a street lang. 1697168;1502476666;mircea_popescu;kinda why medieval greek separated from it, leading to today's lang. 1697169;1502476897;ag3nt_zer0;Good Morn Trilema 1697170;1502476914;mircea_popescu;ello 1697171;1502476960;ag3nt_zer0;Attempting an Ubuntu install of Eulora here... coupla questions if anyone can help: 1697172;1502476998;mircea_popescu;prolly best in #eulorqa. 1697173;1502477001;mircea_popescu;#eulora. 1697174;1502477021;ag3nt_zer0;ahhh yes 1697175;1502477036;ag3nt_zer0;ty.. 1697176;1502478536;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, apparently 90% of reddit advertising is bitcoin-scams, bitcoin-alts, i-cant-believe-it's-not-bitcoins and other such nonsense. 1697177;1502478551;mircea_popescu;whodda thunk tardstalk can take over the entire pantsuit forum ? 1697178;1502478573;mircea_popescu;apple could buy russia, if you're drunk and all the russians go to space ; meanwhile bitcoin bought america. 1697179;1502479671;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/because-thats-just-how-things-are/ << Trilema - Because that's just how things are! 1697180;1502482124;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy, ye olde curtisyarvin 'if it could dent statusquo, Mother Church would pray it away' nonsense marches on 1697181;1502482658;mircea_popescu;aha 1697182;1502482701;mircea_popescu;that dude's a fine example of usgistani ersatz. he hangs out in "personal finance" talking about finance, all the while his worldview is purely soviet socialism, command economy etc. 1697183;1502482754;mircea_popescu;kinda why the country is doomed, not strictly speaking because "educators" who literally think the shamanic traditions of africa / sitting around in a circle chanting count ; nor because they "produce" "goods" that are literal painted paper like the rocks on a theatrical stage. 1697184;1502482772;mircea_popescu;but because rank and file everyday tard is entirely incapable of even representing a working economy. 1697185;1502482799;mircea_popescu;"Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?" 1697186;1502482808;asciilifeform;and not wholly unrelatedly, https://curl.haxx.se/docs/adv_20170809C.html << libcurl 0d 1697187;1502482813;mircea_popescu;guess what... "I don't see the appeal of startups at all. I have never been a gambler. big companies allow me to get paid well while not really doing much work A++" 1697188;1502482899;asciilifeform;( not 1st time, either, see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-17#1408732 ) 1697189;1502482899;a111;Logged on 2016-02-17 21:08 asciilifeform: (the folks who laughed when i said 'no curl on trb build box' - still laughing ?) 1697190;1502482922;mircea_popescu;hax.se joins the rank of "websites" offline. 1697191;1502483130;asciilifeform;https://curl.haxx.se/changes.html#7_55_0 << holy SHIT that's a lengthy buglist for a proggy that... loads http and puts to stdout 1697192;1502483144;asciilifeform;( i.e. undergrad 1st term homework ) 1697193;1502486383;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dD0K6/?raw=true 1697194;1502486383;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1697195;1502491554;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/buttfunex-quits-united-states-denying-its-people-butt-fun-exchanges/ << Qntra - Buttfunex Quits United States Denying Its People Butt Fun Exchanges 1697196;1502495195;BingoBoingo;Protest Backfired http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/11/trump-fans-gleefully-appropriate-trump-chicken-meme-magic/ 1697197;1502499313;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's quite plainly the mark of ascendancy. "demonstration" aka "here's proof you can't enforce the law on us", and appropriation, aka, "we think more than you and therefore your symbols aren't yours in any meaningful sense". 1697198;1502499875;mircea_popescu;btw, that "we are vary silbert for your loss" is like so pregnant with meme. barry the sorry sorbet sillybert! 1697199;1502506428;mircea_popescu;in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697131 possibly teh best offering would be http://trilema.com/2012/doua-vorbe-in-directia-generala-a-unei-copile-vaitate/ 1697200;1502506428;a111;Logged on 2017-08-11 18:02 asciilifeform: ( currently eating some of the vintage ro links therein ) 1697201;1502506458;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : aspie ro chick's mother becomes senile, girly is very indignant that her redditlife is interrupted and she was transformed into a traditional society woman WITHOUT HER CONSENT!!! 1697202;1502506465;mircea_popescu;wants the state to do something. 1697203;1502506777;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/hopscotch/ << Trilema - Hopscotch 1697204;1502508232;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the slut farm, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e0dfc368daeb41e58eb5b05a26eeae24/tumblr_npktzoArGE1tw7oszo1_400.gif 1697205;1502511161;BingoBoingo; btw, that "we are vary silbert for your loss" is like so pregnant with meme. barry the sorry sorbet sillybert! << AHA! 1697206;1502513439;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/tensions-rise-this-week-as-fake-news-media-badgers-god-emperors/ << Qntra - Tensions Rise This Week As Fake News Media Badgers God Emperors 1697207;1502513495;BingoBoingo;^ Your periodic admonition to get NAND while possible 1697208;1502513520;BingoBoingo;Before nuclear deterrent theory fails http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/ 1697209;1502515462;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahaha "hair the musical" is so apt! 1697210;1502515471;BingoBoingo;ty, tyvm 1697211;1502515775;mircea_popescu;so who's kim gonna nuke, that all-jewish canton in siberia ? 1697212;1502516358;BingoBoingo;Guam apparently 1697213;1502516378;BingoBoingo;Well, the water ~20 miles off the shore of Guam 1697214;1502516459;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114220 << remember poor will mcneilly ? 1697215;1502516486;mircea_popescu;"We are at war, with a new kind of enemy. The terrorists have infiltrated every nation on our planet. Our nuclear weapons are a target that's wide open to attack." 1697216;1502516491;mircea_popescu;such quaint 2015s concerns. 1697217;1502516851;BingoBoingo;4 real 1697218;1502517669;mircea_popescu;check this shit out : 1697219;1502517674;mircea_popescu;"It's only a matter of time before one of the Trident submarines are lost. HMS Vanguard a Trident submarine makes an appearance in the book for the deep depth incident. The submarine exceeded 300 meters (safe depth is 65meters). They under estimated the weight of the submarine and didn't have enough speed for the Aft-planes to create raise. The further the submarine descended the more the weight of the submarine increased due 1697220;1502517674;mircea_popescu; to pressure." 1697221;1502517683;mircea_popescu;and this is a fast-tracked engineer. 1697222;1502517703;mircea_popescu;yet he thinks buoyancy is inverse to depth. 1697223;1502517721;mircea_popescu;"because of pressure". i suppose their submarines are made out of rubber ? 1697224;1502519393;BingoBoingo;It's not unthinkable that they would be given the Inca's likelihood of giving materials engineering the calvinist science treatment 1697225;1502519942;BingoBoingo;https://i.redd.it/ca2oko4dw5fz.jpg 1697226;1502523645;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697227;1502523657;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3788.3, vol: 10916.01830985 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3758.0, vol: 29171.12720139 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3782.971801, vol: 14311.70490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3830.0, vol: 6046.89656368 | Volume-weighted last average: 3776.5872623 1697228;1502551371;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1697229;1502551372;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 480224 | Current Difficulty: 9.23233068448E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 481823 | Next Difficulty In: 1599 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1697230;1502551436;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697231;1502551454;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3828.0, vol: 9817.63315610 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3840.0, vol: 28442.50233469 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3827.55, vol: 13650.71280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3849.0, vol: 5923.95999648 | Volume-weighted last average: 3835.94625902 1697232;1502552454;mircea_popescu;wow it crashed 500 bux overnight ? 1697233;1502552483;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin is a very poor store of wealth long term"!!! it's just how things are!!! 1697234;1502552556;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency gbp 1697235;1502552558;BingoBoingo;Indeed 1697236;1502552577;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 2949.971346, vol: 9965.65520492 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 2983.501647, vol: 13774.06880000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 2969.999, vol: 122.84302202 | Volume-weighted last average: 2969.42897308 1697237;1502552723;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in herdemocracy, "Life is a scam if you don't luck out to become super rich." 1697238;1502552755;mircea_popescu;elliot rodger was such a trendsetter / visionary / posthumous jobs award. 1697239;1502552906;BingoBoingo;Well, what else can the fuel oil in waiting do? 1697240;1502552910;diana_coman;eh mircea_popescu, you're using big words to seem important; wealth? long term? what are those? 1697241;1502552926;mircea_popescu;i learned them in the personal finance chatroom! 1697242;1502553096;diana_coman;lol 1697243;1502553120;mircea_popescu;internet access is a great boon to knowledge! all the learnin' of five billion bovines at your fingertips! 1697244;1502553231;mircea_popescu;and in other manly news, http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/12834_20_05_17_6_12_03.jpeg 1697245;1502562776;mircea_popescu;and in other pantsuit, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qe7ikxzqe0 1697246;1502566615;mircea_popescu;!!key ag3nt_zer0 1697247;1502566617;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/e3a490547d5e8a590a5608b0c31cb3dff91576c7.asc 1697248;1502566923;mircea_popescu;!!up D33P-B00K 1697249;1502566923;deedbot;D33P-B00K voiced for 30 minutes. 1697250;1502566986;mircea_popescu;da fuck was this one. 1697251;1502567094;mircea_popescu;for the record the correct ban format is /mode b+ *!*@91.233.116.245 or such 1697252;1502569664;mircea_popescu;!!up ben_about 1697253;1502569664;deedbot;ben_about voiced for 30 minutes. 1697254;1502569707;ben_about;https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-protest-white-nationalist.html 1697255;1502569720;ben_about;ty mircea_popescu 1697256;1502569760;ben_about;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-12#1697244 << make america gay again! 1697257;1502569760;a111;Logged on 2017-08-12 15:53 mircea_popescu: and in other manly news, http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/12834_20_05_17_6_12_03.jpeg 1697258;1502569838;ben_about;car mowdown very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-12#1697197 1697259;1502569838;a111;Logged on 2017-08-12 00:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's quite plainly the mark of ascendancy. "demonstration" aka "here's proof you can't enforce the law on us", and appropriation, aka, "we think more than you and therefore your symbols aren't yours in any meaningful sense". 1697260;1502569863;ben_about;quite excited to see how the left escalates from here 1697261;1502570106;ben_about;also copenhagen suborbitals lost their...sub: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/biggest-amateur-built-sub-sinks-owner-is-suspected-of-killing-passenger/ 1697262;1502570216;*;ben_about off 1697263;1502570514;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/coltunasi-methode-odalisque/ << Trilema - Coltunasi methode odalisque 1697264;1502572417;mircea_popescu;eh, escalates schmecsmalates. 1697265;1502572424;mircea_popescu;it's time for emo withdrawal of sews. 1697266;1502572788;*;asciilifeform walked into b00ksh0p being sold off 'by the pound' after death of owner, found there a b00k by luby (of luby code) that had nfi existed at all 1697267;1502572805;asciilifeform;where d00d's personal collection was. 1697268;1502576749;asciilifeform;'Adding to the turmoil, the Federal Aviation Administration said late Saturday that a Virginia State Police helicopter had crashed about seven miles southwest of Charlottesville. State Police officials said two people died in the crash, the cause of which was not known.' 1697269;1502579344;mircea_popescu;helicopter notoriously vulnerable to small arsm fire. as per log discussion 1697270;1502579369;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nice find. you should prolly buy a warehouse by now, move in, make the rest museum. 1697271;1502580276;asciilifeform;lulzily, it's a treatise on prng and hashing 1697272;1502580333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: police choppers in particular -- not merely 'no armour', but thinner skin than toyota 1697273;1502580458;mircea_popescu;myeah 1697274;1502580776;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697275;1502580796;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3850.0, vol: 12371.05749842 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3855.8, vol: 37978.71800065 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3896.444399, vol: 17753.54270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3864.997, vol: 8152.14205455 | Volume-weighted last average: 3865.30496119 1697276;1502583479;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-famous-roasted-bird-soup-salata-de-boeuf-transform/ << Trilema - The famous roasted bird -> soup -> salata de boeuf transform 1697277;1502584819;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : POKER! http://68.media.tumblr.com/b2c6e230649086c81322a035863fa2c0/tumblr_nh8sngAjW21semc6ko1_500.gif 1697278;1502586642;mircea_popescu;tales from the truehaxx logs : /2016/the-sad-state-of-bitcoin-code/?shxxx=wget http://www.fia.com.gr/wp-content/uploads/2010/doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; rm -rf doc 1697279;1502586749;shinohai;lel 1697280;1502586794;shinohai;Also, excellent profferings on the culinary front in trilema today, mircea_popescu 1697281;1502586807;mircea_popescu;my pleasure! 1697282;1502586864;shinohai;coltunasi looks absolutely amazing 1697283;1502586987;mircea_popescu;im curious what teh russkis say about 'em. 1697284;1502587006;mircea_popescu;ro cuisine ius sorta like cajun, grew wealthy out of theft and treason. 1697285;1502587019;mircea_popescu;and in the same haxxor vein : /2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/?cmd=curl+-C+-+-O+http://www.tonerbazis.hu/bot.txt%3Bperl+bot.txt%3Brm+bot.txt 1697286;1502588151;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/76D293064B70EDEA6C26BF9BD6E197A0973A57D689CCECEE1F98175201E3BABD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1477...9927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.90.249.243 (ssh-rsa key from 78.90.249.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BG 01) 1697287;1502588151;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/76D293064B70EDEA6C26BF9BD6E197A0973A57D689CCECEE1F98175201E3BABD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...7279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.90.249.243 (ssh-rsa key from 78.90.249.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BG 01) 1697288;1502590635;phf;the log has been sparse, but there's still somehow too much of it! 1697289;1502590660;mircea_popescu;lel 1697290;1502591134;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 << heh, funny you bring nemtsov up, because he was friend of family. pantsuit is spot on, guy was brought from novgorod on usg money. 1697291;1502591134;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 10:05 mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.) 1697292;1502591152;mircea_popescu;aha. 1697293;1502591204;mircea_popescu;the world doesn't understand how the world works. 1697294;1502591210;phf;thinking about the american ngo approach, i only recently put two and two together :o 1697295;1502591402;mircea_popescu;ro had a very identical equivalent. amusingly, also physicist. 1697296;1502591407;mircea_popescu;!#s patapievici 1697297;1502591408;a111;3 results for "patapievici", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=patapievici 1697298;1502591417;mircea_popescu;he didn't get nearly as close. 1697299;1502591486;phf;heh, i really want to chat this subject up, but that's something that i probably shouldn't be talking about. i've no idea what's public and what's private. 1697300;1502591506;mircea_popescu;well, at least you encountered the question. 1697301;1502591528;BingoBoingo;Now to the Quest-ion! 1697302;1502591536;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2017/the-famous-roasted-bird-soup-salata-de-boeuf-transform/#comment-122612 1697303;1502591556;mircea_popescu;answert bb. 1697304;1502591705;phf;so in unrelated questions, does anybody by chance know a french or italian pornographic movie, probably 80s, early 90s? the setup is this girl gets invited to a secret party, gets fucked on stage in various creative ways (we're talking blacks in harlequin costumes, rather than sodom), takes taxi back home and there's a prolonged scene in a taxi cab ride home. everything's happening during one night, and the movie has correspondingly dark (vhs-y) tones 1697305;1502591717;BingoBoingo;answert 1697306;1502591774;mircea_popescu;sounds vaguely like at least a grosse of them. heck, even the original emanuelle is something like that. 1697307;1502591865;phf;yeah. for some reason i thought it was even a salieri movie, but no. it's been bugging me for several days 1697308;1502592028;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks. 1697309;1502592028;a111;Logged on 2017-08-11 02:12 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682481 << aaand i just bounced off of this 1697310;1502592122;phf;it's particularly annoying, because sometimes you want to do a localized subtle functional modification while preserving the signature and it won't "let" you 1697311;1502592166;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/logotron-marketshare-comparison/ << Trilema - Logotron marketshare comparison 1697312;1502592398;phf;heh, i think those share spikes correspond to when a111 is down 1697313;1502592549;mircea_popescu;seems likely huh. 1697314;1502593229;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697315;1502593243;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4035.04, vol: 14672.54845005 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4069.6, vol: 44752.78603701 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4127.751501, vol: 23579.30020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4081.557, vol: 9856.38818072 | Volume-weighted last average: 4080.17431017 1697316;1502593249;BingoBoingo;Crashing 1697317;1502593306;phf;does that mean that mircea_popescu can buy russia? 1697318;1502593315;mircea_popescu;aaaalmost. 1697319;1502593352;mircea_popescu;so 5k before the weekend's out ? 1697320;1502593410;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone wanna trace prices against http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/ or not really ready for the brickshitting jetzt. 1697321;1502593501;phf;on that day btcusd was 2563.99 1697322;1502594059;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/dollar-malaise-continues-now-under-14000th-of-a-bitcoin/ << Qntra - Dollar Malaise Continues, Now Under 1/4000th Of A Bitcoin 1697323;1502594478;mircea_popescu;and had been that much for ~whole month of june. 1697324;1502594656;BingoBoingo;Dat Soros be like http://i.imgur.com/DbDlFqi.gifv 1697325;1502594710;mircea_popescu;moar like http://68.media.tumblr.com/4ceb3b51556ffd471eb36a60c61eae78/tumblr_nvtn59s6vM1uisxc4o1_500.gif 1697326;1502594821;BingoBoingo;Well, rich Hungarian, of course the dudes caught em 1697327;1502595106;phf;http://glyf.org/tmp/btc.png 1697328;1502595225;mircea_popescu;cool huh! 1697329;1502595279;phf;this graph is powered by logs and BingoBoingo running ticker at somewhat regular intervals 1697330;1502595311;mircea_popescu;bb powah! 1697331;1502595357;phf;the man behind ever useful oglafbot, related http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582353 1697332;1502595357;a111;Logged on 2016-12-12 20:47 phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot") 1697333;1502595379;BingoBoingo;Well, someone's gotta do it 1697334;1502595393;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1697335;1502595401;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 27450.01, vol: 24789.72660000 | Volume-weighted last average: 27450.01 1697336;1502595448;BingoBoingo;Umbrella time http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8651&pr=1 1697337;1502595533;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i doubt i could relay in words just how fucking incensed the slavegirls get every time that dood refers to his copacetic middle aged gf by the honorific. 1697338;1502595546;mircea_popescu;"really bitch ? she whines about strip club visits ? MOTHERFUCKER!" 1697339;1502595671;BingoBoingo;Well, apparently they aren't incensed enought to start delivering missives on this word crime to Lafond. 1697340;1502595743;mircea_popescu;for all you know they're sending dark paladins to extinguish his dumb ass. 1697341;1502595829;BingoBoingo;And sending dark paladins to make his gf's day job a chore 1697342;1502595844;mircea_popescu;and summoning locusts. 1697343;1502595906;BingoBoingo;Anyways it appear there is a clear heirarchy: mircea_popescu >> slavegirls >> dark paladins, locusts, Trumpreich, Fna 1697344;1502595931;mircea_popescu;no, fna does whatever the shit he pleases. he's like the trump except walks on ceilings. 1697345;1502595956;mircea_popescu;you ever heard gekkos mating call btw ? 1697346;1502595965;BingoBoingo;Never recall hearing one 1697347;1502595976;mircea_popescu;they do this cackle thing, pretty funny. 1697348;1502595993;mircea_popescu;we laugh a lot, right, and half the time a gekko joins in, as if he got the joke. "ka-ka-ka-kaka" 1697349;1502596125;phf;that's some shit straight out of castaneda 1697350;1502596151;mircea_popescu;tru story! 1697351;1502596423;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1697352;1502600692;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ << Qntra - Antifa Terrorists And Pantsuit Local Government Shut Down Conservative Rally – Fatalities Reported 1697353;1502600891;BingoBoingo;"remember when a black supremacist sniper killed 5 cops last year and nobody demanded the president condemn 'black supremacist violence' and then the president went on to condemn the police for being racist?" 1697354;1502601787;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697290 << interesting... friends... phf has 1697355;1502601787;a111;Logged on 2017-08-13 02:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 << heh, funny you bring nemtsov up, because he was friend of family. pantsuit is spot on, guy was brought from novgorod on usg money. 1697356;1502601868;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697299 << if i were keeping seekrits for a mega-quisling, i at least wouldn't advertise, lol 1697357;1502601868;a111;Logged on 2017-08-13 02:31 phf: heh, i really want to chat this subject up, but that's something that i probably shouldn't be talking about. i've no idea what's public and what's private. 1697358;1502601920;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697295 << our top quisling was also 'physicist' -- saharov 1697359;1502601920;a111;Logged on 2017-08-13 02:30 mircea_popescu: ro had a very identical equivalent. amusingly, also physicist. 1697360;1502601976;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697308 << simple pill : run no sbcl made post-2011... 1697361;1502601976;a111;Logged on 2017-08-13 02:40 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks. 1697362;1502602863;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/obamacare-comes-to-india/ << Qntra - Obamacare Comes To India 1697363;1502603238;phf;asciilifeform: nah, there certainly aren't secrets (that i know). i don't know what's been written on the subject, but clearly everything's obvious to dedicated observers. my point is that some things are purview of journalists and historians. 1697364;1502604136;phf;this sbcl behavior seems old, i have it at least since 1.0.29.11 which is 2009 or so 1697365;1502604195;phf;so are style-warnings, e.g. in same version "STYLE-WARNING: using deprecated EVAL-WHEN situation names EVAL LOAD COMPILE" 1697366;1502604302;phf;so this possibly invalidates my original thesis of "wreckers in sbcl!11" i just haven't spent as much time there as i have under other implementations 1697367;1502630393;asciilifeform;phf: all of open sores is crawling with cockroaches, i'd be quite surprised if sbcl turned out to be inexplicably clean even now 1697368;1502630472;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/t14Cy << 'extremism detector ai' 1697369;1502632091;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697370;1502632166;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3964.96, vol: 19547.44271563 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3977.0, vol: 57074.52661655 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 11.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3988.158501, vol: 31349.17320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3997.0, vol: 13092.4309725 | Volume-weighted last average: 3980.10834365 1697371;1502644772;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32A131077E104A996AB66710084BE5E94FBA0120C419D5476A5C9090952EC257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1460...8033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.113.134 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.113.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1697372;1502644772;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32A131077E104A996AB66710084BE5E94FBA0120C419D5476A5C9090952EC257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1680...8023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.113.134 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.113.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1697373;1502646242;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/glam-punk/ << Trilema - Glam punk 1697374;1502647403;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697368 << eh they've been trying to come up with something to prop up the "market cap" of alphabet for a decade now, ever since it became completely obvious "advertising" is a lol. 1697375;1502647403;a111;Logged on 2017-08-13 13:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/t14Cy << 'extremism detector ai' 1697376;1502647411;mircea_popescu;this is more of the same "but we got ai" crap. 1697377;1502655223;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/ << Trilema - The world has changed 1697378;1502655389;mod6;hola 1697379;1502655680;mod6;could it be? 1697380;1502656102;mircea_popescu;o hey! 1697381;1502656128;mircea_popescu;got teh keys mike_c ? 1697382;1502656154;mod6;deedbot might have added the second '!' since then. 1697383;1502656182;mod6;mike_c: it's now ``!!up'' and ``!!v '' 1697384;1502656188;mircea_popescu;ah hm 1697385;1502656242;mod6;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1697386;1502656362;mike_c;hey, look at that 1697387;1502656366;mircea_popescu;hey, welcome back! 1697388;1502656370;mike_c;ty 1697389;1502656374;mod6;hey! 1697390;1502656378;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458351 << imagine, 18 months of logs to catch up with. poor guy. 1697391;1502656378;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 03:01 mike_c: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu 1697392;1502656399;mod6;how ya been mike_c ? 1697393;1502656431;mike_c;I have been pretty good, certainly keeping myself busy. 1697394;1502656438;mike_c;although probably with the wrong things. 1697395;1502656444;mod6;haha, werd. 1697396;1502656480;mike_c;i'm trying to buy myself some goats, I heard this was the right place. 1697397;1502656499;mircea_popescu;wow, seriously, what have you been doing for all teh time! 1697398;1502656528;mike_c;18 months? Mostly work (couple jobs since then) and child raising. 1697399;1502656555;mike_c;both of which are going reasonably well 1697400;1502656556;mircea_popescu;but not even say hi or anything ? we were figuring 50-50 you got liek, shot by men in black or something. 1697401;1502656603;mike_c;i know, right. It's frustrating prioritizing time. Didn't have time to hang, definitely not to work, so felt weird dropping in once a month and saying "hey, haven't done anything, don't have time to do anything" 1697402;1502656616;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1697403;1502656662;mircea_popescu;well, glad to hear you didn't get shot after all! 1697404;1502656669;mike_c;me too. and vice versa. 1697405;1502656674;mod6;yah, srsly. 1697406;1502656691;mod6;i've been optimistic though; know you've been busy. don't hesitate to drop us a line tho! 1697407;1502656713;mod6;you're were starting to enter vrag territory. 1697408;1502656725;mod6;heheheh 1697409;1502656741;mircea_popescu;mike_c did you mean fuckgoats ? 1697410;1502656756;mike_c;indeed. I was excited to see that launch. nice work ascii! 1697411;1502656774;mike_c;i'm working my way through the shop now. 1697412;1502656845;mircea_popescu;usually ships in a day or two. 1697413;1502656860;mircea_popescu;and yeah they're pretty cool tbh. 1697414;1502656869;mike_c;I'm sure. 1697415;1502656893;mike_c;I've got to catch up on the client release notes too, see what mod6 has been up to. 1697416;1502656914;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of new shit, actually. heck, it's unthinkable, but i guess 90% of the republican stuff was made in the past 18 months. i have nfi how this works, somehow the feeling is that "nothing changed" right, it was the same thing then too, no ? yes, and yet... there's v and there's a whole new pile of bots and on it goes. 1697417;1502656935;mike_c;v I was around for. at least the beginnings. 1697418;1502656955;hanbot;oh hey, mike_c! howdy! 1697419;1502656958;mircea_popescu;mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build 1697420;1502656961;mircea_popescu;with musl! and so on. 1697421;1502656961;mike_c;hello! 1697422;1502657005;mike_c;I will definitely check that out. 1697423;1502657018;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build << yah, if you're interested in standing up a node, we'll talk ya through it. 1697424;1502657068;mircea_popescu;and trinque was about to release a payments thing for deedbot by ... end of july yo! and then there's the ffa growing towards a proper tmsr-rsa, and of course the gossipd sandbox, and a coupla yet sikrit items and so on 1697425;1502657094;mircea_popescu;and you gotta learn ada now, and 1697426;1502657106;mircea_popescu;hm... should i lower the pay-for-tits moar ? i mean 2 bitcents is nigh on a hundred bux by now wtf. 1697427;1502657109;mike_c;stfu, seriously? I managed to avoid that a decade ago. 1697428;1502657130;mike_c;ada for the tmsr-rsa? 1697429;1502657134;mircea_popescu;mike_c it was decided lisp is not really exotic enough anymore, we had to move. 1697430;1502657145;mircea_popescu;mike_c basically, yeah. 1697431;1502657172;mod6;it's pretty amazing, really. 1697432;1502657190;mod6;i've had to learn ada just to keep up & read the thing. help test where I can. 1697433;1502657206;mod6;it's actually not too bad.. just uber strict. 1697434;1502657256;mod6;i think, for the most part, it took me like ~8-12 weeks to get the hang of it. 1697435;1502657257;mike_c;Yeah, that was my impression. It is certainly not a bad choice for crypto 1697436;1502657315;mircea_popescu;oh, and the mpfhf! 1697437;1502657328;mike_c;lol. more acronyms. 1697438;1502657332;mircea_popescu;wanna race peterl to building a reverser ? 1697439;1502657336;mod6;ah yah, Mr. P. created his own hash function 1697440;1502657354;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/mps-fabulous-hash-function-and-its-family/ < 1697441;1502657401;mike_c;ok, yeah, I read that one. 1697442;1502657424;mircea_popescu;aha, and ppl made lisp, go & python impls. 1697443;1502657446;mod6;is there a trilema post on UCI? 1697444;1502657450;mircea_popescu;and now the idea is... since this could ALSO be used as a padder (in the rsa sense), a reverser is needed (takes r and s and spits out m) 1697445;1502657461;mircea_popescu;mod6 pretty sure he recalls that as theory. 1697446;1502657481;mike_c;UCI? 1697447;1502657524;mod6;Unified Computing Interface 1697448;1502657527;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html 1697449;1502657540;mod6;It's an ongoing project. The tickets are above, kinda outlines the idea ^ 1697450;1502657546;mircea_popescu;mod6 i suspect that's log-only to date. 1697451;1502657559;mike_c;ah, as theory, yes. 1697452;1502657571;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, ok. couldn't recall. 1697453;1502657584;mike_c;stan's theory for a mesh networked internet at least, I don't remember him proposing it for computing 1697454;1502657628;mircea_popescu;prolly something like http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+UCI best entry point. hey ben_vulpes why is http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=UCI&c=trilema only find 15 items ?! 1697455;1502657650;mircea_popescu;mike_c you'll have fun reading those then :p 1697456;1502657695;mircea_popescu;mod6 you prolly have a point there, i should write since it keeps coming up when trying to get intelligent people up to speed. 1697457;1502657705;mircea_popescu;now if only i knew what the fuck i want with it to any meaningful degree... 1697458;1502657714;mod6;haha, no sweat. 1697459;1502657786;mod6;mike_c: i had quite a bit of fun testing those FGs; worked pretty great for me. 1697460;1502657823;mod6;all my test results and stuff are posted 1697461;1502657845;mike_c;I'm looking forward to being able to generate a key that I can actually trust. 1697462;1502657858;mircea_popescu;entropy only half the issue there. 1697463;1502657865;mircea_popescu;meanwhile gpg was pretty much thrown in the prb pile. 1697464;1502657876;mike_c;yes, a necessary but not sufficient part 1697465;1502657908;mike_c;yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap? 1697466;1502657929;mod6;there was a bug that was discovered like a year ago 1697467;1502657945;mod6;in gnupg 1697468;1502657962;mircea_popescu;mike_c pretty m,uch yeah. 1697469;1502658052;mircea_popescu;dja feel well firehosed yet ? :D 1697470;1502658080;mike_c;yeah, I want to dig up some logs on the rsa stuff. 1697471;1502659270;mike_c;mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ? 1697472;1502659317;lobbesbot;!!up lobbes 1697473;1502659317;deedbot;lobbes voiced for 30 minutes. 1697474;1502659344;lobbes;oh hey, wb mike_c 1697475;1502659346;lobbes;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ << "On the morning of the event Charlotte police" << s/Charlotte/Charlottesville 1697476;1502659346;jhvh1;lobbes: The operation succeeded. 1697477;1502659349;mike_c;hello! 1697478;1502659492;mod6;<+mike_c> mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ? << that /should/ be all you need to know. less steps in the on-line version, but use which ever you need. 1697479;1502659506;mod6;feel free to ask any questions. 1697480;1502659515;mike_c;ok, I'll take a crack at it. 1697481;1502659526;mod6;cool, let us know how it goes. :] 1697482;1502660482;asciilifeform;woah 1697483;1502660487;asciilifeform;wb mike_c !! 1697484;1502660495;asciilifeform;back to the living! 1697485;1502660503;mike_c;hi ascii! yes. 1697486;1502660508;mike_c;congrats on FG 1697487;1502660515;asciilifeform;ty mike_c 1697488;1502660664;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697465 << correct. is how i ended up working on a replacement for pgp 1697489;1502660664;a111;Logged on 2017-08-13 20:58 mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap? 1697490;1502660736;mike_c;yeah, mp mentioned that. I'm going to scour some logs for more info on it. 1697491;1502660769;asciilifeform;'p' is very different flavour from the old heathenry , however. think 'forth with bignums' approx. 1697492;1502660837;mike_c;oh, it's called "p"? that will make log-scouring so easy! 1697493;1502660843;asciilifeform;lol 1697494;1502660875;asciilifeform;the saving grace is that almost whole point of p is for it to be readable/self-contained 1697495;1502660884;BingoBoingo;ty lobbes 1697496;1502660900;mod6;bbs; chores 1697497;1502660907;asciilifeform;so in the end it will not be strictly necessary to eat every gram of log that added up to it, to properly grasp 1697498;1502660915;mike_c;that's good to hear 1697499;1502661015;asciilifeform;i've been pushing folx to return to a 'dijkstaraist' concept of program, as something primarily to be ~read~, and only secondarily as something to execute on comp 1697500;1502661030;asciilifeform;*dijkstraist 1697501;1502661105;asciilifeform;mike_c: currently we have ~90% of a nonbranching ( no timing leak ) , provably correct arithmetron 1697502;1502661118;asciilifeform;about 1kloc 1697503;1502661139;mike_c;is it findable from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ somewhere? 1697504;1502661162;asciilifeform;mike_c: not as such. no vrelease yet - pastes in logs 1697505;1502661167;mike_c;ah, k 1697506;1502661185;asciilifeform;mod6: though there is the factorial demo 1697507;1502661203;asciilifeform;comes with makefile etc 1697508;1502661248;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684808 1697509;1502661248;a111;Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73 1697510;1502661268;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685034 moar thread ) 1697511;1502661268;a111;Logged on 2017-07-16 20:11 asciilifeform: for anyone not tuned in : ^ computes factorial of 65536. 1697512;1502661301;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/conflict-resolution/ 1697513;1502661307;asciilifeform;this is a somewhat obsolete version but illustrative 1697514;1502661440;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697515;1502661456;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4100.39, vol: 16182.26302636 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4115.7, vol: 47466.68850985 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4109.738, vol: 28033.96960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4100.0, vol: 11571.1615322 | Volume-weighted last average: 4109.92244434 1697516;1502661496;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/szXwZ 1697517;1502661927;asciilifeform;mike_c: i also have adatronic bitcoin formats ( block, tx, message, indices ) encoder/decoder; and mmaptronic db . but this is not yet primetime product 1697518;1502661951;asciilifeform;also interesting to mike_c will be the 'trbi' threads.. 1697519;1502661987;mike_c;what's the intended purpose for the bitcoin pieces? you going to port the client to ada? 1697520;1502662000;asciilifeform;port may be wrong word 1697521;1502662085;asciilifeform;and 'to ada' also wrong word, (ultra fascist subset of) ada is simply what remained on the table after we went methodically through all reqs for a sane programming (for existing iron) system 1697522;1502662123;mike_c;so.. first a compiler for this subset? 1697523;1502662128;mike_c;I've got reading to do. 1697524;1502662129;asciilifeform;nah 1697525;1502662138;asciilifeform;standard gnat worx 1697526;1502662159;asciilifeform;in all likelihood you already have a copy. 1697527;1502662179;asciilifeform;( it's in the gcc lang set, right next to f77 ) 1697528;1502662986;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? 1697529;1502663004;mircea_popescu;"oh, bitcoin doubled once mp defeated our dumb shit ? THIS ONLY GOES TO PROVE OUR DUMB SHIT IS INDEFEATABLE!!11" 1697530;1502663311;shinohai;Heya mike_c .... wb! 1697531;1502663322;mike_c;thanks! 1697532;1502663707;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? << Well, they soft forked segwit. Their new hill is TWO mb blocks 1697533;1502663860;BingoBoingo;They set themselves up the segwit bomb. Now it's 2x that Sillybert wants to shill. 1697534;1502664304;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694432B << does this render the question of whether T leaked user 1's otp to user N moot? if so I'm not seeing it yet. 1697535;1502664304;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which 1697536;1502664456;trinque;how the fuck did a B get in there, lol 1697537;1502664464;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694432 1697538;1502664464;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which 1697539;1502665778;mircea_popescu;funny thing that it ate it anyway. 1697540;1502665823;mircea_popescu;trinque there's no way to prove owner of secret S did not share secret S with someone else. that's why "key sharing" dun work for rsa/bitcoin/etc. 1697541;1502665852;mircea_popescu;the ~only approach is to come up with secret parts, but this is contrary to design goals in context. 1697542;1502665898;mircea_popescu;accidental re-use of otps would however become obvious to L the moment he sees two hash(C)s equal. he can complain even before the user responds to the otppad. 1697543;1502665968;mircea_popescu;but outside of this, "has T told X about Y's otp" is very much a "you wouldn't download a car" type of problem. 1697544;1502667077;mod6;back 1697545;1502676132;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697546;1502676144;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4066.72, vol: 14006.05214284 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4087.3, vol: 42162.93290572 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4105.3851, vol: 25152.80430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4101.967, vol: 10517.0922327 | Volume-weighted last average: 4090.79416951 1697547;1502685018;BingoBoingo;^ Oh noes, he's gone again! 1697548;1502686028;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06DF269F44B2F8C4AAEDA67C6A687B89D89B4535D07913078504B89CABF0FE6A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1348...7817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '178.188.248.230 (ssh-rsa key from 178.188.248.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown AT) 1697549;1502686028;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06DF269F44B2F8C4AAEDA67C6A687B89D89B4535D07913078504B89CABF0FE6A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1624...1809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '178.188.248.230 (ssh-rsa key from 178.188.248.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown AT) 1697550;1502689363;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBB54B7022BA30DFD198B846506BFA051F02DCF89003A0C9917EF6AD8E2CD9DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1516...4019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-14-54.ghst.net. FR) 1697551;1502689363;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBB54B7022BA30DFD198B846506BFA051F02DCF89003A0C9917EF6AD8E2CD9DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1790...2957 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-14-54.ghst.net. FR) 1697552;1502721956;mod6;mornin' 1697553;1502721969;asciilifeform;heiya mod6 1697554;1502721971;shinohai;gm mod6 1697555;1502722595;trinque;mircea_popescu: makes sense. can't stop the bits from leaking; can however simply let the owner of an account know every time something happens, so he can yell at me before I do the next batch of withdrawals if he didn't do it. 1697556;1502723574;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU << 'my father would spin like a dreidel in his grave if he saw' 1697557;1502723666;asciilifeform;'the police abandoned us!' etc 1697558;1502723739;trinque;cute backyard tiki torches. I wonder if they got the citronella ones, useful for keeping skeeters away from your /pol/ flash mob. 1697559;1502723890;asciilifeform;in other hilarities almost worthy of mircea_popescu's robotzi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkcTpCur7g 1697560;1502723924;asciilifeform;^ ar propaganda cartoon re 'malvinas', with 'fixed' sub 1697561;1502727227;asciilifeform;in other olds , https://www.iacr.org/archive/ches2009/57470141/57470141.pdf << traditional rsa prime generation is quite 'loud'. this is not a seekrit. subj demonstrates algo for actually recovering the prime. 1697562;1502727298;asciilifeform;( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin ) 1697563;1502727354;asciilifeform;the other thing, you don't need ANY trial-divisions in the prelude to miller-rabin, IF you have a constant-time gcd 1697564;1502727386;asciilifeform;( then, elementarily, you gcd against '8ball', primorial of $largeint ) 1697565;1502727494;asciilifeform;as usual asciilifeform has deeply nfi why NONE of the published rsatrons, to date, do this. 1697566;1502729135;shinohai;http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible" 1697567;1502729177;shinohai;Theonly 2 fixes proffered require AT LEAST one week to implement 1697568;1502729606;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697566 << don't you just love it how the implication is that your item they broke was "somehow" at fault ? it's not "we pushed a buggy piece of shit into your item and thereby broke it". not ever. 1697569;1502729606;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 16:45 shinohai: http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible" 1697570;1502729626;mircea_popescu;it's your racist victim that stood in the way of black code matters and progress and spice and everything nice. 1697571;1502729740;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697556 << the funny thing is that there's not enough of them by now. same exact thing happened to the german communists in the 30s. "folks this is the end", ie, "we used to think we're right because we're many, and now we're not many, and that's all we had." 1697572;1502729740;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 15:12 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU << 'my father would spin like a dreidel in his grave if he saw' 1697573;1502729834;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697559 << the MOST hilarious thing in there is that the fucktard thinking himself an airplane pilot asks "me copia base". you understandf this ? subhuman orc language DOES NOT HAVE WORD. thinks it's ok, just as good as anything. 1697574;1502729834;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 15:18 asciilifeform: in other hilarities almost worthy of mircea_popescu's robotzi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkcTpCur7g 1697575;1502730055;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, in their own fucking idiota i mean "idioma", it goes like so : "con fuerza y corage dicimos adios". this. this is 100% argentina, brave, brave, brave sir robert turned about and galantly he chickened out... brave brave brave recursos humanos... 1697576;1502730329;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697562 << aha! 1697577;1502730329;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 16:14 asciilifeform: ( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin ) 1697578;1502730392;mircea_popescu;it is also a very typical difference, symbolic enough to go on our fucking flag. "the empire makes a test and then goes through parts until it finds one that goes through ; the republic makes a part and tests it until it is certain to be correct." 1697579;1502730431;asciilifeform;the important bit : if fails, make a ~new~ one, rather than n+1 1697580;1502730451;mircea_popescu;yup. 1697581;1502730482;mircea_popescu;it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY. 1697582;1502730500;asciilifeform;'rng bits are expensive' spawned quite a few idiocies , by itself 1697583;1502730513;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697564 << speaking of this, how large is phuctor 8ball ? ie largest prime ? 1697584;1502730513;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 16:16 asciilifeform: ( then, elementarily, you gcd against '8ball', primorial of $largeint ) 1697585;1502730535;asciilifeform;1.2G at last count 1697586;1502730548;asciilifeform;it's largely useless tho 1697587;1502730548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i believe the spawner is the same mother-of-idiocy, always pregnant, always knees spread, that spawned everythiong they do, from "voting" to "gpg" 1697588;1502730572;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it would seem an 8ball usable for 4kb rsa key verification would be exceedinglty large. 1697589;1502730593;asciilifeform;you wouldn't use it alone , lol!! 1697590;1502730598;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't mean the disk size of the 8ball, i mean the size of the largest prime in it 1697591;1502730618;asciilifeform;it's a prelude for avoiding expensive miller-rabin when the latter is doomed to fail 1697592;1502730636;asciilifeform;ah hm will have to see re largest prime 1697593;1502730643;mircea_popescu;a yes. a mb or so's worth is good to have. afaik all rsa impls have some small primes. heck, peterl's gossiptron had a list. 1697594;1502730677;asciilifeform;you wouldn't want a mb of anything in ffa tho 1697595;1502730682;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, wouldn't it be len(factorial)/log(len(factorial)) ? :D 1697596;1502730690;asciilifeform;approx!yes 1697597;1502730695;mircea_popescu;aha. 1697598;1502730917;asciilifeform;idea is, for pre-millerrabin litmus, take gcd(candidate, Qw) where Qw is largest primorial that fits in the ffawidth 1697599;1502730936;mircea_popescu;ah, the primorial being 4kb 1697600;1502730943;mircea_popescu;this is not bad. 1697601;1502730950;*;asciilifeform still devising a constant time gcd 1697602;1502731010;asciilifeform;the basic, naive method for magicking a conventional algo into a constanttime algo, is to 1697603;1502731061;asciilifeform;1) replace termination condition with a mux that starts discarding new results of iteration in favour of old, at iteration T and after 1697604;1502731102;asciilifeform;2) replace variable iteration params with fixed, conditional terminations with same 1697605;1502731155;asciilifeform;this is still difficult for gcd because gotta prove max number of shots needed 1697606;1502731161;asciilifeform;for given w. 1697607;1502731236;mircea_popescu;this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot. 1697608;1502731238;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, hanbot, trinque, bingoboingo, mod6, danielpbarron, mike_c, asciilifeform, davout, ben_vulpes, phf, lobbes, mike_c, jurov, peterl, pete_dushenski ^ 1697609;1502731247;asciilifeform;wai 515 1697610;1502731249;mircea_popescu;the idea is to use DIFFERENT methods to compute it. 1697611;1502731257;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696601 1697612;1502731257;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 14:54 mircea_popescu: 257, 258, 515. 1697613;1502731270;mircea_popescu;tmsr rsa standard key is 515 bits, made out of a 257 and a 258 bit long prime. 1697614;1502731277;asciilifeform;waat 1697615;1502731281;asciilifeform;1024b?! 1697616;1502731288;asciilifeform;breakable even today 1697617;1502731298;mircea_popescu;damn. bytes not bits 1697618;1502731303;asciilifeform;lool 1697619;1502731305;mircea_popescu;jesus 1697620;1502731879;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697621;1502731892;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4305.0, vol: 12077.63805615 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4297.4, vol: 34009.57289113 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4294.660483, vol: 18039.95370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4331.509, vol: 8242.7757566 | Volume-weighted last average: 4301.87039373 1697622;1502731902;BingoBoingo;^ Markets love ffa 1697623;1502731992;hanbot; this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot. << is this right (up to 2900)? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9lxGb/?raw=true 1697624;1502732061;mircea_popescu;hanbot what's that, first 419 primes ? 1697625;1502732077;*;mircea_popescu is not going to comment re right or wrong for teh obvious reason! 1697626;1502732131;hanbot;yeah 1697627;1502732178;asciilifeform;that's 4104 bits... 1697628;1502732182;asciilifeform;> 4096 1697629;1502732197;mircea_popescu;fencepost eh :D 1697630;1502732207;hanbot;damn 1697631;1502732218;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tmsr key = 515 bytes = 4120 bits. 1697632;1502732223;mircea_popescu;ie > 4096. 1697633;1502732239;asciilifeform;that ain't divisible by 64 1697634;1502732242;asciilifeform;and won't work in ffa. 1697635;1502732255;asciilifeform;unless you push it up to next multiple. 1697636;1502732263;mircea_popescu;so the correct work spec here is then, 4160 bits ? 1697637;1502732264;asciilifeform;( at which point you oughta use THAT as the cap, not it ) 1697638;1502732278;asciilifeform;btw does it makes sense why i put in that req ? 1697639;1502732285;mircea_popescu;so ffa only allocates by... 8 byte chunks ? 1697640;1502732290;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1697641;1502732294;asciilifeform;it has to do SAME THING on all iron 1697642;1502732298;asciilifeform;which requres a 64b quantum 1697643;1502732299;mircea_popescu;so ? 1697644;1502732311;asciilifeform;so it gotta work on 16, 32, and 64 bitness machine. 1697645;1502732312;mircea_popescu;and an update when the 128 computer hits the shelves ? 1697646;1502732321;asciilifeform;64 divides 128 1697647;1502732332;mircea_popescu;... 1697648;1502732337;mircea_popescu;8 also divides 128 1697649;1502732353;asciilifeform;understand, it is not possible to use partial machinewords in the simplest possible (i.e. the one in ffa) arithmetic method. 1697650;1502732381;mircea_popescu;answer the q then! when a 128 bit computer is sold, ffa word will ahve to increase to 128 bits ? 1697651;1502732387;asciilifeform;no!! 1697652;1502732392;asciilifeform;nor 192bit cpu 1697653;1502732397;mircea_popescu;then how about you know, it uses 8 bit chunks now. 1697654;1502732404;asciilifeform;why?! 1697655;1502732416;asciilifeform;you want 8x slowdown? for what? 1697656;1502732424;mircea_popescu;mmm 1697657;1502732441;mircea_popescu;this has been the worst explanation of a rationale in recorded history. care to do it over ? 1697658;1502732456;asciilifeform;i have nfi where to even begin 1697659;1502732468;mircea_popescu;quote your spec. 1697660;1502732474;mircea_popescu;that's where you always begin. 1697661;1502732570;asciilifeform;'ffa represents a W-bit integer as a contiguous array of N machine words of bitness B, W = N*B.' 1697662;1502732582;mircea_popescu;go on. 1697663;1502732686;asciilifeform;'W is constrained, such that any permissible value of W must be representable in a whole number of machine words on 8, 16, 32, 64-bit ALU.' 1697664;1502732696;mircea_popescu;"N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care" 1697665;1502732715;asciilifeform;mno. on 128bit machine, we still can use 64bit arith, 1697666;1502732716;asciilifeform;m 1697667;1502732728;mircea_popescu;and then why can't we use 32 bit aritm on 64 bit machine ? 1697668;1502732730;asciilifeform;just like ffa worx just fine on opteron today dialed down to 32 1697669;1502732741;asciilifeform;because you lose >2x performance for no gain. 1697670;1502732750;asciilifeform;it is idiocy and i won't countenance it. 1697671;1502732750;mircea_popescu;so then we CANT use 64 bit aritm on 128 bit machine. 1697672;1502732755;asciilifeform;can. 1697673;1502732762;mircea_popescu;you are contradicting yourself. 1697674;1502732773;asciilifeform;goal is ADEQUATE performance on iron of TODAY 1697675;1502732781;mircea_popescu;i wasn't aware. 1697676;1502732789;asciilifeform;the hypothetical future 128ism is not , in that light, needed for anything. 1697677;1502732797;mircea_popescu;goal is definitive solution to math problem. 1697678;1502732797;asciilifeform;it can go to hell. 1697679;1502732829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'solution to math problem' existed in 1978. ffa goal is simplicity+correctness of implementation + adequateperformance. 1697680;1502732831;mircea_popescu;turns out my mock-rewrite was more on point than originally thought. 1697681;1502732837;asciilifeform;a trio that has not prev been achieved at any point. 1697682;1502732854;mircea_popescu;you'll have to re-read this log tomorro. 1697683;1502732874;asciilifeform;rewrite of what 1697684;1502732893;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697664 1697685;1502732893;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:44 mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care" 1697686;1502732911;asciilifeform;if you read the code, mircea_popescu , 1697687;1502732931;asciilifeform;would be very clear that the 'must sit in whole number of machine words' is not any kind of constraint imposed by asciilifeform , but by the machine 1697688;1502732941;asciilifeform;it is not possible to have anything that looks like ffa, without suffering this constraint. 1697689;1502732961;mircea_popescu;ah, that part is not in dispute. 1697690;1502732974;asciilifeform;and 'W % 64 == 0' is not any more or less nonsensical than 'W % 8 == 0' which you are not escaping from to anywhere 1697691;1502732979;asciilifeform;not to the moon, not to mars 1697692;1502732984;asciilifeform;( perhaps to pdp8... ) 1697693;1502733036;mircea_popescu;but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long. 1697694;1502733046;asciilifeform;not quite 1697695;1502733049;asciilifeform;let's work an example 1697696;1502733066;asciilifeform;say for some peculiar purpose, an ffa run needs 192-bitness. 1697697;1502733067;mircea_popescu;and if your key isn't 2^n, further computers will wreak havoc on deployed code by requiring non-dividing Ns. 1697698;1502733109;asciilifeform;this becomes 3 64-bit words on opteron; 6 32-bit words on pentium; 12 16-bit words on 8086; and 24 8-bit 'words' on 6502. 1697699;1502733120;asciilifeform;each of which computes exactly same thing, correctly. 1697700;1502733132;mircea_popescu;and then when a 128 bit machine comes along ? 1697701;1502733144;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can use any key bitness you like ! but gotta top it out with 0s to sit it into a ffa word 1697702;1502733148;asciilifeform;this is not end of the world 1697703;1502733171;asciilifeform;just like your opteron is happy to add 1 + 1, even though 1 is a '1-bit' rather than 64-bit int 1697704;1502733178;asciilifeform;think about it 1697705;1502733189;mircea_popescu;that part is not in dispute either. 1697706;1502733218;asciilifeform;when on 128-bit iron , which exists today, you simply gotta pad out your payload so it sits in a W multiple of 128 ( supposing you insist on squeezing every penny of horse out of the 128ness ) 1697707;1502733242;asciilifeform;you are already forced to pad to multiple of 8 on every iron in existence today, this is no different. and nobody will reprieve you from it. 1697708;1502733247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, and then you're going to compute 192 keys on 256 bits, and wonder why the fuck are you not using 256. 1697709;1502733256;mircea_popescu;which is how "it's either 4096 bits long or get lost" ends up in there. 1697710;1502733262;asciilifeform;so you find nearest multiple that is longer than your payload. 1697711;1502733263;asciilifeform;and use that. 1697712;1502733269;mircea_popescu;because 4096 will accomodate all computers up to 4096 bit ones. 1697713;1502733286;asciilifeform;btw the bitserial cpu thread prolly belongs linked here 1697714;1502733289;asciilifeform;but i lost the link. 1697715;1502733298;asciilifeform;( there WAS attempt to make 'comp of no fixed bitness' ) 1697716;1502733309;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-22#1413259 1697717;1502733309;a111;Logged on 2016-02-22 23:21 asciilifeform: bit-serial cpu is meaningfully and interestingly unlike anything that came before (or, afaik, after.) 1697718;1502733317;asciilifeform;aaaha here . 1697719;1502733366;asciilifeform;ftr i considered imposing a 'ffa W is power of 2 or fuckyou' 1697720;1502733373;*;mircea_popescu is really pissy that "gotta use trad width keys" ended up imposed on him! 1697721;1502733375;asciilifeform;it would simplify many routines, in particular karatsuba 1697722;1502733387;asciilifeform;but i specifically did not like that it gives 'traditional keys' 1697723;1502733393;asciilifeform;or at least encourages them 1697724;1502733395;mircea_popescu;yes but i see no way out. 1697725;1502733398;asciilifeform;and so instead went with 'mult of 64' 1697726;1502733409;asciilifeform;this is open to debate, it is an aesthetic choice 1697727;1502733419;asciilifeform;however P progs MUST execute to same result on ALL known iron, is the idea 1697728;1502733427;asciilifeform;can't just say 'sorry , can't do that here' 1697729;1502733428;mircea_popescu;no, it is not, in that it would simplify routines. that's what makes it an aesthetic non-choice. 1697730;1502733475;asciilifeform;if instead of 'mult of 64' we had 'powers of 2', we could dispense with the odd split in karatsuba 1697731;1502733479;mircea_popescu;anyway, i shall go eat frozen pastry and fume. 1697732;1502733484;asciilifeform;and by extension, with the temp buffers in same 1697733;1502733490;asciilifeform;because could instead pass the splits directly 1697734;1502733497;asciilifeform;this is also a 10% or so speedup. 1697735;1502733523;asciilifeform;but then you can only 8,16,....,4096,... etc. W. 1697736;1502733542;*;asciilifeform was going for max generality, at minimal expense 1697737;1502733617;asciilifeform;i'ma repeat that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697720 is a mistake -- you can still use any key width you like. just gotta 0extend up to the permitted multiple. 1697738;1502733617;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:56 mircea_popescu is really pissy that "gotta use trad width keys" ended up imposed on him! 1697739;1502733646;asciilifeform;( by a max of B-1 bits , where B is your machine word ) 1697740;1502733758;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697693 << and importantly, current ffa works with ( see factorial demo ) any multiple of 64, that fits in your machine memory. 1697741;1502733758;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:50 mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long. 1697742;1502735147;asciilifeform;e.g. 6666-bit keys work fine on ffa! 1697743;1502735197;asciilifeform;simply take a 6720-bit W. 1697744;1502735243;asciilifeform;recall also that, since we have karatsuba, cost goes up with W logarithmically, rather than quadratically 1697745;1502735368;asciilifeform;incidentally, there is no reason why the ~public~ exponent , on ffatronic rsa, should not also be a large prime 1697746;1502735379;asciilifeform;( you no longer win anything by using small ones ) 1697747;1502735405;asciilifeform;'large' means 'occupies most of W' here. 1697748;1502735448;asciilifeform;ALL ffa ops take time that is not dependent on the hamming weight. that's what 'constant time' means. 1697749;1502735527;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no dude, consider the catechistic angle. "soo... why is your key 515 byts ?" "i dunno, his lordship mp said so" "why ?" "nobody knoiws, really. he just says things." "so how do you calculate it ?" "first, you set ffa to 520 bytes..." "why did he say 515 then ?" "uh... that's a good question." 1697750;1502735546;mircea_popescu;there's no fucking way out of it. 1697751;1502735555;asciilifeform;well theoretically fpga 1697752;1502735565;mircea_popescu;re exponent, it's traditionally 0101 because cheaper calcs. 1697753;1502735567;asciilifeform;but on your current iron you're stuck with cups of a certain size. 1697754;1502735573;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but not cheaper for us 1697755;1502735574;mircea_popescu;why, no penalty to use checkerpattern instead ? 1697756;1502735586;mircea_popescu;aha. prolly should have a "dense" prime then. 1697757;1502735589;asciilifeform;no reason to use any particular pattern, understand, ffa 1697758;1502735593;mircea_popescu;(ie, 50% bits set) 1697759;1502735604;asciilifeform;moar hamming weight, the merrier for the enemy to suffer crunching'em 1697760;1502735609;asciilifeform;with his variable-time ops 1697761;1502735620;mircea_popescu;anyway. i am sad, but defeated. the dream has to die, it's what it is. so regretfully... 4096 keys. 1697762;1502735624;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1697763;1502735625;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1697764;1502735673;*;asciilifeform points out that even very modest iron, ffa's quite acceptably over 8192b and higher. 1697765;1502735673;PeterL;I am still digesting logs, did you guys agree on a bit size for the primorial you want? 1697766;1502735693;asciilifeform;PeterL: these ain't hard to calculate 1697767;1502735693;mircea_popescu;PeterL we found a hole in the spec ;/ 1697768;1502735725;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lObj3/?raw=true << should be 4160 bits 1697769;1502735736;mircea_popescu;ty 1697770;1502735857;PeterL;oh, wait, nevermind, that is wrong 1697771;1502735948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu plox to expand on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697729 1697772;1502735948;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:57 mircea_popescu: no, it is not, in that it would simplify routines. that's what makes it an aesthetic non-choice. 1697773;1502735963;asciilifeform;'non-choice' here means 'obviously Right Thing' or the opposite ? 1697774;1502735982;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/x9YvV/?raw=true << this is a better one! 1697775;1502736019;PeterL;(I forgot to increment a variable, so the first number is just 2*(a big exponent of 3) ) 1697776;1502736019;asciilifeform;PeterL: that's a 4150b 1697777;1502736076;PeterL;yes, seems so. 1697778;1502736098;PeterL;could be the next prime would put it over the limit, right? 1697779;1502736109;asciilifeform;it is already over the limit 1697780;1502736131;PeterL;(I was using 4160 bits as the limit) 1697781;1502736140;PeterL;what limit do you want? 1697782;1502736152;asciilifeform;4096, i thought, it was 1697783;1502736215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111000101 ? or rather something more like 1100111110111010111111000100100010011101001010001000100100011001 ? 1697784;1502736228;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fLrxv/?raw=true << should fit in 4096 bits 1697785;1502736235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it means there's no space for choosing, as there's an obvious right thing. 1697786;1502736305;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's something to be said for 111111.....1 (max hamming weight), and there's something else to be said for max-entropy 1697787;1502736313;asciilifeform;i cannot currently say which i prefer 1697788;1502736329;asciilifeform;( or describe a logic for showing that one is always preferable to the other ) 1697789;1502736342;mircea_popescu;me either. 1697790;1502736362;asciilifeform;as for the other thing, right now we have a 'classical' karatsuba that permits odd splits 1697791;1502736366;mircea_popescu;or at least show some logic whatsoever. "it's sometimes better", anything. 1697792;1502736378;asciilifeform;this means you can have, e.g., 192b, 384b, etc ffa 1697793;1502736381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's nothing wrong with HAVING it. and people can use it. BUT for rsa we should use the even one. 1697794;1502736394;mircea_popescu;it's what it is. 1697795;1502736415;mircea_popescu;(at least we get this much from the sadness : if anyone asks "why 4096" user can link here._ 1697796;1502736424;asciilifeform;forcing 2^x = W, x in Z , also simplifies comba 1697797;1502736432;asciilifeform;and a few other things. 1697798;1502736436;mircea_popescu;yes. 1697799;1502736464;asciilifeform;the 192b cpu of the dark future will have to smoke sadly... 1697800;1502736478;mircea_popescu;nobody is ever making non 2^n anyways! 1697801;1502736528;asciilifeform;well i thought of making a 3^n. but there's no reason not to say 'be a whole power of the machine BASE ' ! 1697802;1502736558;PeterL;fight specificity of didling, use odd machine word size! 1697803;1502736565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1697804;1502736584;asciilifeform;PeterL: sorta why i wrote the most general , unconstrained ffa . 1697805;1502736584;mircea_popescu;PeterL that lemma refers to domain borders. there's no border re hardware. 1697806;1502736799;asciilifeform;meanwhile, usg.prb folx claiming they will soon 'broadcast blocks from satellite', 'use prb without internet!111' -- leveraging the orbit monopoly to diddle 'these blox, mined by us, legal, other, terrorist blox -- orphans nao' 1697807;1502736818;mircea_popescu;aww,\ 1697808;1502736834;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, if you have satellite you already have internet ? 1697809;1502736840;asciilifeform;1way 1697810;1502736841;mircea_popescu;this is how i get it in cars etc. 1697811;1502736864;mircea_popescu;uh. really ? 1 way from owned source ? and how do you check for splits ? 1697812;1502736867;asciilifeform;1way much cheaper 1697813;1502736882;asciilifeform;and noshit.jpg you check for nuffin, you eat the mother church's blox as the come, presumably 1697814;1502736891;asciilifeform;paypalization 1697815;1502736906;asciilifeform;'1 way from owned source' noshit. 1697816;1502736920;mircea_popescu;lol idiots. 1697817;1502736926;asciilifeform;they've been looking for how to monopolize relay, for years. 1697818;1502736935;asciilifeform;( much cheaper than mining ) 1697819;1502736937;mircea_popescu;to quote, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697581 1697820;1502736937;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:08 mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY. 1697821;1502736955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who the fuck would depend on a satellite. for one thing they keep falling. 1697822;1502736969;asciilifeform;now this i cannot say 1697823;1502736984;mircea_popescu;it WAS cheaper before they got involved lol 1697824;1502736994;mircea_popescu;now it's more expensive than mining. cuz gotta airforce one it 1697825;1502736995;asciilifeform;presumably plan is part of 2-pronged approach where they interfere with ordinary propagation. 1697826;1502736995;asciilifeform;and claim 'sat is best' 1697827;1502737006;asciilifeform;yeah but they ~already own~ the sat 1697828;1502737010;mircea_popescu;ill interfere with a satellite lol. 1697829;1502737028;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-15#1299189 << thread 1697830;1502737028;a111;Logged on 2015-10-15 01:03 mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it. 1697831;1502737040;mircea_popescu;tru fact : you can take down satellites TODAY. as an individual effort. 1697832;1502737062;asciilifeform;depends what means individual 1697833;1502737072;mircea_popescu;one guy. 1697834;1502737081;asciilifeform;it's ~same work as launching yer own 1697835;1502737089;asciilifeform;(elementarily) 1697836;1502737093;mircea_popescu;not really. all you need is a small rocket 1697837;1502737099;mircea_popescu;easy to home on them lol. for obvious reasons. 1697838;1502737100;asciilifeform;well yes 1697839;1502737108;asciilifeform;small rocket that goes to same orbit. 1697840;1502737111;asciilifeform;ergo same work. 1697841;1502737111;mircea_popescu;and it doesn't have to be fast or anything. nor does it need payload. 1697842;1502737118;asciilifeform;well needs a kg or so 1697843;1502737134;asciilifeform;( you don't have blast, recall, must rely on frags ) 1697844;1502737140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. different work to PUT satellite in orbit, and to send it an old bit of spanish grapeshot 1697845;1502737156;mircea_popescu;hardly. 70-80 grams will do it. 1697846;1502737160;asciilifeform;also depends, do you want to machinegun 1 sat, or... whole orbit 1697847;1502737170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depends on distance, neh 1697848;1502737176;mircea_popescu;distance from what 1697849;1502737191;asciilifeform;contact detonator ? proximity ? 1697850;1502737191;mircea_popescu;but yes, glonass slightly better than usg sats because of orbit style. 1697851;1502737197;mircea_popescu;you get some warning 1697852;1502737202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, just mass. 1697853;1502737216;mircea_popescu;i literally mean, dig up an old bit of grapeshot from age of sail, send it up., 1697854;1502737237;asciilifeform;if you're at musket range, even shot shell would work 1697855;1502737240;asciilifeform;problem is to get there. 1697856;1502737245;mircea_popescu;homing rocket. 1697857;1502737272;asciilifeform;this in practice is harder than simple sat launch ( the latter is not trying to fly to a specific point in space ) 1697858;1502737302;mircea_popescu;2 stage, a 1-200kg booster thing to get it in gross range and a 2-3kg thing to power the last 100 grame spiked ball to the actual satellite 1697859;1502737325;mircea_popescu;the cost per ton of this (materials, excluding labour and knowledge) is under 100 bux. 1697860;1502737328;mircea_popescu;ie, less than car. 1697861;1502737337;asciilifeform;but at any rate this is not open problem, it was solved in ~same way in all 3 major inca empires -- fighter goes to max altitude, launches slightly modified radar-seeker rocket, vertically. 1697862;1502737344;mircea_popescu;aha. 1697863;1502737358;mircea_popescu;borrow phf 's ballooons lol 1697864;1502737372;asciilifeform;less, incidentally, conspicuous, than monster flare from the ground 1697865;1502737389;mircea_popescu;i thought the point was conspicuity. 1697866;1502737392;mircea_popescu;demonstration, yes ? 1697867;1502737401;mircea_popescu;ows occupies ws, tmsr takes out your sats. 1697868;1502737447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'cossacks write letter to the sultan' in order? 1697869;1502737458;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1697870;1502737468;mircea_popescu;anyway. lulz in being, so far. 1697871;1502737495;asciilifeform;( http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/sultan.jpg oblig ) 1697872;1502737759;mircea_popescu;anyway, to the general point : satellite comms are a very limited thing, and will definitely go the same way the old roman dinner (ie, fuckfest) went once the medievals discovered syphilis. 1697873;1502737768;mircea_popescu;there's a cost to exploration, typified by pandora. 1697874;1502737798;asciilifeform;sorta why the balloon thing keeps coming back -- search for a midpoint b/w 'tower' and 'satellite' cost 1697875;1502737807;mircea_popescu;aha 1697876;1502737980;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/264y7 << relatedly 1697877;1502738024;mircea_popescu;leller. 1697878;1502738246;asciilifeform;gotta point out that nailing 1 enemy sat is not enough 1697879;1502738251;asciilifeform;( they have constellation ) 1697880;1502738261;asciilifeform;gotta show ability for sustained extermination. 1697881;1502738266;mircea_popescu;it's enough to make a point. 1697882;1502738336;asciilifeform;d00dz seem to be physically incapable of grasping a point by induction ( even the skyscrapers , apparently, didn't help... ) 1697883;1502738404;mircea_popescu;there is that, yes. 1697884;1502738468;mircea_popescu;then again, sept 11 marked the end of vhs-america. the remainder usg-sadness is not even at the level of hruschev's "reformed cccp" 1697885;1502738547;asciilifeform;buncha monkeys, sitting on remnants of massive imperial machinery made by men. and looking for any, any way to leverage'em into a few moar yrs of pushing back the inevitable 1697886;1502738776;mircea_popescu;and of course as women are the social scar tissue, this is going to end up with yet another "oh, it's THEIR fault!!!", like every historical case to date. 1697887;1502738877;asciilifeform;relatedly, a shortwave ( or even ultralong wave! ) transmitter of genuine ( i.e. best-known-pov ) blox, would be a fine thing 1697888;1502738884;asciilifeform;( see old thread ) 1697889;1502738894;asciilifeform;*pow 1697890;1502738925;asciilifeform;but if it isn't obvious why : 1697891;1502738938;asciilifeform;it would make the kind of miner monkey work currently fashionable, ~impossible 1697892;1502738946;asciilifeform;( withholding in particular ) 1697893;1502739011;asciilifeform;getting new blox to the transmitter asap would, theoretically, be a schelling point for miners ( all of whom currently 'eat the spoon of shit for free' from withholding chains ) 1697894;1502739349;mircea_popescu;not really much of a problem yet, that spoon. 1697895;1502739364;*;asciilifeform not equipped to say at present how much of a problem 1697896;1502739398;asciilifeform;it ~would~ be a problem for any would-be defector from cabal 1697897;1502739424;mircea_popescu;fees not yet enough. give it a coupla halvings. 1697898;1502739430;asciilifeform;( and is the principal reason why there even is cabal ) 1697899;1502739464;mircea_popescu;this is the important point of having defeated the usg flailing attempts to prevent actual fee market from developping : it will WORK. 1697900;1502739510;asciilifeform;other idea is to demonstrate that trb can work without riding on top of existing telecom structure. 1697901;1502739531;mircea_popescu;that's even later. 1697902;1502739535;asciilifeform;this means a node that can speak directly to another. 1697903;1502739552;asciilifeform;( via radio, lan cable strung through window, whichever means. preferably transparently of layer.) 1697904;1502739607;asciilifeform;and incidentally, open fpga trivially yields sdr. 1697905;1502742351;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/amazon-fucks-retailers-panics-customers-with-recall-week-before-total-eclipse/ << Qntra - Amazon Fucks Retailers, Panics Customers With Recall Week Before Total Eclipse 1697906;1502742368;BingoBoingo;^ Moar Inca Pls 1697907;1502742463;BingoBoingo;From the logs of the still suffering https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHML2bPU0AEzaR2.jpg 1697908;1502742604;mircea_popescu;fun fact : watching the sun is not harmful to the eye. 1697909;1502742617;mircea_popescu;if it were, life would have evolved... A DIFFERENT FUCKING EYE 1697910;1502742623;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people. 1697911;1502742815;BingoBoingo;Eh, there's probably a difference between eye taking in sunlight and focusing the lens apparatus of the eye directly at the sun. 1697912;1502742849;mircea_popescu;so what does the animal do, go blind every time it sees the sun ? 1697913;1502742885;mircea_popescu;yes, concave mirrors and lenses can blind you. but if the sun itself is a problem then you're a lifefrom from a different planet. 1697914;1502742994;mircea_popescu;somehow this has evolved from "im an old woman, nobody wants to pay attention to me, let me nag people" to "don't stare at the sun" to "omfg SUN IS DANGEROUS!" and it will never fucking end. 1697915;1502743005;BingoBoingo;Well, much of humanity is more stupid than the rest of the animals. Likely will continue staring well beyond point pain receptors yell to cease and decist. 1697916;1502743015;mircea_popescu;pupil closes reflexively. 1697917;1502743029;mircea_popescu;that's why the whole "doctor shining light in eyes" thing. 1697918;1502743039;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't close -- braindead. 1697919;1502743126;BingoBoingo;If we have learned anything from the Roger Ver-ified tribe, it is that there is a portion of the idiocy which will stare at the sun, for however long it takes the moon to transit. From this the nags and bags get their power. All it takes is one stuple to set all the nags off. 1697920;1502743144;mircea_popescu;yeah well. maybe some people actually should be blind. 1697921;1502743237;BingoBoingo;The nags are too deaf to hear that. Too much Maury/CNN/kennedy exposure. 1697922;1502743254;BingoBoingo;They can't get those language abilities back 1697923;1502743257;BingoBoingo;permabroke 1697924;1502743259;mircea_popescu;maybe should get some cnn protecvtors 1697925;1502743332;BingoBoingo;Too late 1697926;1502743344;mircea_popescu;for their daughters. who the fuck cares about the bags now. 1697927;1502743387;BingoBoingo;Biodiesel plant? 1697928;1502743401;mircea_popescu;maybe just "dun listen to old bags, they make you deaf and dumb" 1697929;1502743945;BingoBoingo;!!up scatha 1697930;1502743945;deedbot;scatha voiced for 30 minutes. 1697931;1502743980;shinohai;Gold: " The Rust Evangelism Strike Force recommends several resources for people who would like to poorly reimplement other unix tools." 1697932;1502744065;BingoBoingo;Umbrella saga continues www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8676 1697933;1502744261;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does the police "decline" to patrol. 1697934;1502744270;mircea_popescu;this is some mindblowing usiana right there. 1697935;1502744350;BingoBoingo;Well, at this point Baltimore ~= Internment Camp, at the very least Ghetto in the 1940s sense 1697936;1502744365;mircea_popescu;the direct equivalent would be argentarded shopkeepers "declining to sell". 1697937;1502744368;mircea_popescu;happens all the time, yes. 1697938;1502744457;BingoBoingo;Oh, USian shopkeeps do that all the time too! 1697939;1502744466;mircea_popescu;im sure 1697940;1502744479;BingoBoingo;Hence walmart et al who are happy to sell 1697941;1502744497;mircea_popescu;except for sunglasses. 1697942;1502744568;BingoBoingo;Most of the grocery stores have the eclipse things here. Cardboard 3D glasses type things with ~shade 13 filter and lots of small print about "no more than 3 minutes continuous use" 1697943;1502744613;mircea_popescu;did i ever tell you the story of the progressive tea shop in timisoara ? 1697944;1502744759;BingoBoingo;Not to my recollection 1697945;1502744805;mircea_popescu;some douchebag opened a tea house, with a lot of verbiage about how relaxing and progressive and everything it is, and how it goes in other places and you know, brimming with the imbecile self-satisfaction of the nemtsov. 1697946;1502744852;mircea_popescu;tea was served in cups on trays. it's ok for tea to come in teabags, what. the trays also included alarm clocks set for whatever minutes a 10-bux-an-hour pinoy randomly put on the mass produced "fair trade" crappy teabags. 6 or 7 or 3 or whatever. 1697947;1502744871;mircea_popescu;consequently this idiot's teahouse was constantly ringing of alarms on multiple voices from multiple points. 1697948;1502744894;mircea_popescu;this is the typical end product of the imbecile "just the facts" "i am equpped to think for myself" ustard. 1697949;1502744904;mircea_popescu;some cheap plastic, a lot fo fine print and getting in everyone's way/ 1697950;1502744956;BingoBoingo;Fuck 1697951;1502745036;mircea_popescu;(for the record, the difference between the nemtsov and the pantsuit is that while they both represent the herdemocracy side, the pantsuit is ineffectual, lazy, effete citizen, whereas the nemtsov is hardy, insistent, ambitious orc born outside the walls.) 1697952;1502745240;BingoBoingo;In other social experiments on the substance of herdemocracy http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8674&pr=1 1697953;1502745721;BingoBoingo;And the anthropological collection of Charlottesville stuff from the aquarium http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8661&pr=1 1697954;1502746748;shinohai;https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/re-anonymint-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-shocking-crisis-coming-to-cryptocurrency-in-sept-20170814t065451341z <<< The expert on mircea_popescu has spoken 1697955;1502746765;mircea_popescu;what's it say ? 1697956;1502746787;shinohai;"I believe Mircea Popescu has gravely miscalculated. Either he has been coloring his own BTC within the danger period (i.e. being careful of the lineage of the BTC obtained in recent times), else his BTC is also susceptible to being stolen. Otherwise, he would need vast mining resources to maintain his own fork or he would need to penalize/bribe miners to not steal his BTC where it is so encumbered. He can 1697957;1502746789;shinohai;penalize by selling the fork and buying another honest one, but he will need sufficient mining resources and other significant BTC holders to enjoin him in this fight. Rather I think most astute BTC holders will realize this is the end of the paradigm and liquidate.' 1697958;1502746808;mircea_popescu;what is all this about ?! 1697959;1502746989;asciilifeform;it reads like barf 1697960;1502747004;asciilifeform;in the most narrowly technical sense of the word 1697961;1502747017;asciilifeform;half-digested, regurgitated matter 1697962;1502747044;shinohai;I honestly think anonymint uses crystal meth 1697963;1502747074;mircea_popescu;weird. anyway. 1697964;1502747148;asciilifeform;student exercise : write a generator of 'shocking crises coming to bitcoin!!!' crapola 1697965;1502747186;asciilifeform;betcha shannonizer could at least match quality of shinohai's link 1697966;1502747249;mircea_popescu;a better exercise would be if any/all these webexperts actually bothered to sit down and derive their conclusions from prime notions. 1697967;1502747250;shinohai;Some derp on tardstalk linked me to it in a PM ... wouldnt be surprised if he has spammed them to dpb too 1697968;1502747260;*;mircea_popescu is persuaded they;d bit flip A FEW TIMES in the process. 1697969;1502747275;mircea_popescu;shinohai so tell him to come over an' explain himself ? 1697970;1502747470;shinohai;Sent him a msg, may be lulzy if he shows. 1697971;1502747473;BingoBoingo;Lol, steemit wants a PHONE NUMBER to post a comment! 1697972;1502747494;mircea_popescu;"innovative" sf webscum running out of shit to sell. 1697973;1502747507;mod6;1900BUTTSEX 1697974;1502747514;shinohai;^ 1697975;1502748380;danielpbarron;i did get a pm on tardtalk recently but i didn't log in to read it; just saw the notification email 1697976;1502748392;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHM3nOhWsAA9PFB.jpg <<< Well they aren't wrong 1697977;1502748463;trinque;lol! 1697978;1502748651;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6tme1k/jason_kessler_organizer_of_unite_the_right/ 1697979;1502748663;BingoBoingo;"According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, (fuck them, but they've done good research into him), Jason Kessler was previously involved with the Occupy Movement and was an ardent Obama supporter through both terms." 1697980;1502752424;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1697981;1502752439;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4256.77, vol: 13883.50586255 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4259.9, vol: 33364.94804248 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4307.377999, vol: 17941.84650000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4261.677, vol: 8705.5858828 | Volume-weighted last average: 4271.04889427 1697982;1502753860;mircea_popescu;um. "The goal is to turn peaceful protests violent, and spark a Civil War." i don't get it, how is this a bad thing ? 1697983;1502753961;mircea_popescu;is the "i just wanted to" right opposed at the "i just wanted to left" removal as being too radical ? after all, they DO "just want to" undisturbed ? or what ? 1697984;1502754054;asciilifeform;'can't fight enemy who has outposts in your head' or how did it go. 1697985;1502754170;asciilifeform;a111 broke?? 1697986;1502754212;asciilifeform;phf: ?? 1697987;1502754538;asciilifeform;or massive netsplit 1697988;1502754563;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is showing up in Framedragger's log but not phf's or ben_vulpes 1697989;1502754660;asciilifeform;which is odd, because i still see the bots ! 1697990;1502755024;shinohai;Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd ... there's yer answer asciilifeform 1697991;1502755198;mod6;yikes 1697992;1502755206;asciilifeform;dafuq 1697993;1502755228;ben_vulpes;gracious 1697994;1502755387;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/#comment-122625 << in other "trilema aeterna" lulz. 1697995;1502755498;trinque;lol potato and wire architecture not going so well for fleanode 1697996;1502755515;shinohai;!~weather 1697997;1502755515;jhvh1;stormy with a chance of packeting 1697998;1502755823;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/14/the-phantom-of-the-opera/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Phantom of the Opera 1697999;1502756155;mod6;shinohai has it 1698000;1502757693;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697917 << pupil only contracts if ~whole retina is illuminated. hence 'do not stare into laser with remaining good eye' 1698001;1502757693;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 20:37 mircea_popescu: that's why the whole "doctor shining light in eyes" thing. 1698002;1502757805;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697933 << pretty easily. asciilifeform had a bumper wreck in bmore once, passing cop declined to take report, demanded 'who was killed here? if nobody, i have no time for this, and no one else from station will come either' 1698003;1502757805;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 20:57 mircea_popescu: how the fuck does the police "decline" to patrol. 1698004;1502757840;asciilifeform;( why even asked? because insurance pays 0 w/out police docs ) 1698005;1502757931;asciilifeform;iirc the details of this tale are in last summer's l0gz 1698006;1502761184;mod6;wb 1698007;1502761221;mike_c;good evening 1698008;1502761231;mod6;how goes tonight? 1698009;1502761245;mike_c;smoothly :) 1698010;1502761257;mod6;heheh, good to hear, Sir. 1698011;1502761375;phf;was it netsplit? everything appears operational 1698012;1502761892;mod6;phf: fwiw, i don't see a111 in my current /names list. 1698013;1502761970;mod6; Guest41016 [~a111@unaffiliated/phf/bot/a111-] 1698014;1502761975;mod6;that's it ^ 1698015;1502761975;phf;aah 1698016;1502761977;phf;i see 1698017;1502762003;phf;for a second there i thought freenode finally jumped the shark 1698018;1502762009;mod6;heheh. 1698019;1502762021;asciilifeform;yeah i thought also. 1698020;1502762468;asciilifeform;in other enigmas : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5q4lR/?raw=true 1698021;1502762504;asciilifeform;it is an implementation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697730 1698022;1502762504;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:57 asciilifeform: if instead of 'mult of 64' we had 'powers of 2', we could dispense with the odd split in karatsuba 1698023;1502762514;asciilifeform;however, the expected speedup did NOT materialize !! 1698024;1502762541;asciilifeform;despite 50% reduction in temp space used by karatsuba mult and square 1698025;1502762549;asciilifeform;how this can be -- remains a puzzler. 1698026;1502762625;mod6;so you didn't get the 10%? 1698027;1502762643;asciilifeform;nope 1698028;1502762650;asciilifeform;~no measurable speedup 1698029;1502762653;asciilifeform;which is surreal. 1698030;1502762664;mod6;hmm 1698031;1502762695;asciilifeform;i suspect that the reason is that the op fit in cache ANYWAY even prior 1698032;1502762702;asciilifeform;so reducing temp space, does 0. 1698033;1502762757;asciilifeform;this kind of optimization could be interesting if we were dealing in MB+ ffaism 1698034;1502762772;asciilifeform;but apparently does 0 for us in the expected application. 1698035;1502762841;asciilifeform;also imho the item above is LESS readable than the original. 1698036;1502762850;asciilifeform;so it turns out that imposing 'powers of 2' is NOT a win. 1698037;1502762870;asciilifeform;at least not from a mechanical pov. 1698038;1502762972;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/YoOl3/?raw=true << 'classical' versions of all 3 routines above, for comparison. 1698039;1502762996;mod6;as it stands, at the moment, sounds like a mechanical push. with the ability to set the length to some power of two. i'd say it's a bit harder to follow, code-wise, with the recursive calls perhaps. 1698040;1502763010;mod6;but i've only scanned it once. so perhaps I shouldnt comment too much on that. 1698041;1502763052;asciilifeform;mod6: see earlier thread 1698042;1502763069;mod6;my ffa must be way old 1698043;1502763085;asciilifeform;mod6: almost certainly is 1698044;1502763098;asciilifeform;i abolished the 'record' thing 1698045;1502763109;asciilifeform;( to enable building with all oopism banned ) 1698046;1502763113;mod6;ah 1698047;1502763139;asciilifeform;and to simplify reading. 1698048;1502763149;asciilifeform;( no moar foo.Z , now just foo ) 1698049;1502763164;mod6;ah, gotcha 1698050;1502763220;asciilifeform;mod6: idea with this item, is that L is a power of 2 always. in 'classical' one, L can be anything (e.g. a 192-bit ffa ends up 3*64 on my box, i.e. L=3 ) 1698051;1502763286;asciilifeform;but as it happens, my hypothesis re 'this will speed up mult' is wholly false; and the one where 'it will simplify program from reader pov' also, somewhat paradoxically, false. 1698052;1502763341;mod6;this might be extra-strength dumb, but... in your new power of 2 version, do you need to inline the Mul & Square of karatsuba? 1698053;1502763342;asciilifeform;'this' being, if it wasn't obvious, the powerof2 constraint thing. 1698054;1502763355;asciilifeform;mod6: you can't inline a recursive invocation, wtf 1698055;1502763365;asciilifeform;( picture this ) 1698056;1502763379;mod6;ah herp. ok. 1698057;1502763390;asciilifeform;gcc will give you a very special eggog, even 1698058;1502763430;asciilifeform;^ for readers who wondered why karatsuba is the 1 routine in ffa ~not~ inlined... think. 1698059;1502763623;mod6;yeah, ok, so the compiler can't determine the max depth to unroll when recursive 1698060;1502763650;asciilifeform;gnat ain't supposed to unroll. at all. 1698061;1502763667;asciilifeform;( in so far as i can tell, it indeed respects the standard, and preserves control flow as written ) 1698062;1502763730;asciilifeform;mod6: you can't inline a recursive call because this'd be logically equiv. to making the program infinitely long 1698063;1502763739;asciilifeform;i thought this was clear... 1698064;1502763769;mod6;that's what i was trying to get at. i suppose the compiler would just reject your request to inline then, or perhaps thats ctronic thinking. 1698065;1502763781;asciilifeform;it will 1698066;1502763848;asciilifeform;( and it ain't an instance of 'compiler too smart for own good', either, but perfectly legitimate refusal to try to fill up the universe with your mistake ) 1698067;1502763935;asciilifeform;the inline thing may seem like premature optimization, but function calls in ada are quite expensive, because bounds checking. so it makes MASSIVE difference. 1698068;1502763975;asciilifeform;hence why everything that oughta be inlined, i empirically determined, and already is. 1698069;1502763985;mod6;werd. 1698070;1502764008;asciilifeform;( the whole thing is quite compact, and misering on codesize loses massively moar than it wins here. ( 1698071;1502764011;asciilifeform;) 1698072;1502764073;asciilifeform;this is perhaps the most pedantically massaged item asciilifeform ever wrote, this thing 1698073;1502764103;asciilifeform;( and it ain't even over yet ) 1698074;1502764510;*;asciilifeform tries to count how many 'improved' versions he wrote, and then discarded... 1698075;1502766763;BingoBoingo; is the "i just wanted to" right opposed at the "i just wanted to left" removal as being too radical ? after all, they DO "just want to" undisturbed ? or what ? << It seems like there is a mass of confusion in them. 1698076;1502769383;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697732 << >> <+asciilifeform> despite 50% reduction in temp space used by karatsuba mult and square 1698077;1502769383;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:58 asciilifeform: and by extension, with the temp buffers in same 1698078;1502769415;mod6;this is very interesting. 1698079;1502769495;mod6;<+asciilifeform> this kind of optimization could be interesting if we were dealing in MB+ ffaism << yeah, perhaps the sample size used was not enough to see the delta? 1698080;1502769832;asciilifeform;mod6: below noise floor 1698081;1502770405;ben_vulpes;in other web esoterica: http://packet.city/ 1698082;1502770428;ben_vulpes;"the greatest website to ever fit in a single TCP packet" 1698083;1502771074;mod6;asciilifeform: so if you add back in the FZs that were removed in the 2^n version (re-adding in the 50% reduction of temp space that yields no opt.), do we get the ~runtime of the original? 1698084;1502771161;mod6;just wondering if it could be a mechanical push, yet slightly more readable. maybe making 2^n version more grokable? 1698085;1502771234;mod6;basically, being able to call something like: 1698086;1502771236;mod6;Mul_Karatsuba(X0, Y0, P); 1698087;1502771239;mod6;as opposed to: 1698088;1502771252;mod6; Mul_Karatsuba(X(X'First .. X'First + K - 1), 1698089;1502771252;mod6; Y(Y'First .. Y'First + K - 1), 1698090;1502771253;mod6; P); 1698091;1502771271;mod6;not that the latter is all /that/ bad. 1698092;1502771283;mod6;just curious 1698093;1502771710;asciilifeform;mod6: i dun understand the question 1698094;1502771732;asciilifeform;if you do this, you get the original, what else could you get 1698095;1502771781;mod6;maybe i should ask a different question: which part do you find to be less readble? 1698096;1502771805;asciilifeform;the changed lines, what else 1698097;1502771822;asciilifeform;e.g. the one you quoted 1698098;1502772018;mod6;just was curious if your readability issue could be resolved with pulling the paramaters of Mul_Karatsuba back out in similar fashion to the original. 'tis all. 1698099;1502772123;asciilifeform;you can't 'similar to the original' , it would BE the original 1698100;1502772137;mircea_popescu;phf multi-netsplit yes. 1698101;1502772164;asciilifeform;mod6: 'if grandmother had balls..' (tm) 1698102;1502772165;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> which is surreal << cache neh 1698103;1502772193;mircea_popescu;heh. yeah ok. 1698104;1502772227;mod6;the math is different from one to the other, is it not? 1698105;1502772240;asciilifeform;mod6: same 1698106;1502772254;asciilifeform;but no copying of the input 1698107;1502772324;mod6;i dun get it then 1698108;1502772337;asciilifeform;get what? 1698109;1502772415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698054 :D 1698110;1502772415;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 02:15 asciilifeform: mod6: you can't inline a recursive invocation, wtf 1698111;1502772421;mircea_popescu;this'd be great actually. 1698112;1502772428;asciilifeform;mod6: to understand ffa, you absolutely gotta grasp how ada array slices ( which Always Do The Right Thing ) work 1698113;1502772452;asciilifeform;they're the foundational abstraction that makes the thing compact and readable 1698114;1502772467;mod6;i dun get why, if you didn't change the maff, why you would make it more complicated 1698115;1502772489;asciilifeform;mod6: because we can't use the shorthand any moar 1698116;1502772498;asciilifeform;no moar x0, y0, etc 1698117;1502772502;asciilifeform;they don't exist 1698118;1502772512;asciilifeform;they're replaced with the slice expression 1698119;1502772564;mod6;mmk 1698120;1502772666;asciilifeform;and incidentally mod6 , is it obvious why this only works if L is restricted to powers of 2 ? 1698121;1502772839;asciilifeform;mod6: an array slice ( concept which also exists in common lisp ) can be thought of as a sane man's pointer. i.e. it maps into the original, and writes go through; but it is guaranteed not to spill, out of the original or out of its own more constrained bound 1698122;1502772894;asciilifeform;it can be used as a procedure argument anywhere you could use an array. 1698123;1502773001;asciilifeform;array slices retain the indexing of the underlying array. this is The Right Thing ( see prev thread on subj where i explained to mircea_popescu ) but makes iterating over them slightly trickier in certain cases. 1698124;1502773197;mod6;<+asciilifeform> and incidentally mod6 , is it obvious why this only works if L is restricted to powers of 2 ? << no, i think im missing the entire idea of why this is written this way. 1698125;1502773237;asciilifeform;mod6: look at x0, x1, y0, y1 in original kara-mul, and xl/xh in kara-square 1698126;1502773250;asciilifeform;they're temp copies of the multiplicands 1698127;1502773295;asciilifeform;they exist so that the input:output lengths invariants of subtraction and of kara recurse per se, 1:2, are met 1698128;1502773317;asciilifeform;( subtraction's -- 1:1 obviousness ) 1698129;1502773346;asciilifeform;this is because in the original, you can have a L of, say, 3 1698130;1502773359;asciilifeform;which splits with K of 2 and J of 1 1698131;1502773391;asciilifeform;giving X0 of lengh 2, X1 - 1, Y0 - 2, Y1 - 1 1698132;1502773492;asciilifeform;but we're doing fixed length everythings, so , e.g., x0*y0 MUST occupy same physical space as x1*y1 etc 1698133;1502773538;asciilifeform;and you can't subtract ffa x0 - x1 unless they are same lengh !! 1698134;1502773597;asciilifeform;you can't use ada's array concatenation feature either, to cheat, because i banned it. it introduces implicit jump. 1698135;1502773618;asciilifeform;it is banned in all of asciilifeform's crypto code, 4evah. 1698136;1502773648;mod6;alright. thanks for the explanation. 1698137;1502773658;asciilifeform;makes sense ? 1698138;1502773681;asciilifeform;try working through a case where k != j and see what happens. 1698139;1502773691;asciilifeform;see if you can predict how it will end. 1698140;1502773715;asciilifeform;( out of bounds exception, proggy stops. but where. ) 1698141;1502773764;*;asciilifeform bbl 1698142;1502776825;ben_vulpes;why is ln(16)/ln(2) so tidily and precisely 4? 1698143;1502776843;ben_vulpes;what secrets of the universe did my inferior american education deprive me of? 1698144;1502776913;mircea_popescu;... 1698145;1502776922;mircea_popescu;4 / 1 ? 1698146;1502776991;ben_vulpes;i...don't follow 1698147;1502777064;mircea_popescu;16 is 2 to the power of 4. 1698148;1502777103;mircea_popescu;this stays the same irrespective of which base you use to express the ratio. 1698149;1502777227;ben_vulpes;aaah. then it was a /personal/ failing, not a systemic one. 1698150;1502777237;mircea_popescu;im not even sure what the failing is ? 1698151;1502777291;ben_vulpes;having forgotten how logarithms work 1698152;1502777308;mircea_popescu;as per that ancient "doctor, is it bad if i hear voices ?" "only if you start answering." 1698153;1502777328;ben_vulpes;heh 1698154;1502777381;mircea_popescu;i suppose a better translation would be "doctor, i hear voices, they talk to me, should i worry ?" "you should worry when you start talking back." 1698155;1502777410;ben_vulpes;oh subject of, i just had a grand time with rushdie's satanic verses. 1698156;1502777518;mircea_popescu;coo 1698157;1502777888;mircea_popescu;!!up crypt0 1698158;1502777888;deedbot;crypt0 voiced for 30 minutes. 1698159;1502781617;BingoBoingo;!!up b00sterjuic3 1698160;1502781617;deedbot;b00sterjuic3 voiced for 30 minutes. 1698161;1502783751;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697607 << here is my computation (using 4096 bit limit; comes out to 4093 bits): http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WonUN/?raw=true 1698162;1502783751;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:20 mircea_popescu: this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot. 1698163;1502783759;lobbes;If using the 4160 bit limit, then I get the following (comes to 4150 bits): http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ED76z/?raw=true 1698164;1502783765;lobbes;aka, I get the same output as both of PeterL's runs 1698165;1502783828;mircea_popescu;lobbes ty! 1698166;1502784473;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "the taking of pelham 123" is one helluva usg-film offering. we find that "wall street guys" r criminalz, that everyday mta riders are heroic (even if a little half-breed), and all sorts of good and valuable citizenship lessons for life! 1698167;1502808477;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6WPk2/?raw=true << 2^n karatsubas, with same readability as 'classical' 1698168;1502808477;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1698169;1502808483;asciilifeform;using the 'rename' feature 1698170;1502808901;asciilifeform;no detectable performance difference at all, however. even with w=32768 . 1698171;1502809086;asciilifeform;... even with 1MBit (!!!) , i.e. 1048576 . 1698172;1502810236;*;mod6 looks 1698173;1502810300;mod6;ah, ok. so you gotta add a subtype for that. 1698174;1502810316;mod6;looks cleaner. not sure it is necessary though. 1698175;1502810339;mod6;a topic for further discussion i suppose. 1698176;1502810359;asciilifeform;mod6: not sure WHAT is necessary ? 1698177;1502810962;mod6;having to do the 'rename' 1698178;1502810994;asciilifeform;it's that, or forcing the reader to puzzle out repeated pastes of the slice expression 1698179;1502810997;mod6;thanks for humoring me though 1698180;1502811151;asciilifeform;np mod6 1698181;1502813289;shinohai;!~echo [ticker --high --market btcc] [ticker --low --market btcc] 1698182;1502813292;jhvh1;4456.4344 3988.038296 1698183;1502813566;asciilifeform;in other heathen lulz, https://toughsat.appspot.com 1698184;1502813616;shinohai;Reply from Anonymnt & friendz: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VwqRc/?raw=true 1698185;1502813624;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698171 << this is a little rich. 1698186;1502813624;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 14:58 asciilifeform: ... even with 1MBit (!!!) , i.e. 1048576 . 1698187;1502813641;mircea_popescu;o.O 1698188;1502813645;mircea_popescu;tuberculosis of the gut ?! 1698189;1502813651;shinohai;tl;dr I'm afraid to get picked apart if I come to #trilema, I prefer to stay on steemit and feed idiots full of shit. 1698190;1502813668;mircea_popescu;shinohai hey, the forum is a high bar. 1698191;1502813671;asciilifeform;gut?! 1698192;1502813672;asciilifeform;lol!! 1698193;1502813694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i never heard of this before ? i mean, lung, bone, some vacuous organs. but gut ?! 1698194;1502813697;shinohai;This is an actual disease, believe it or not. 1698195;1502813708;*;mircea_popescu will now have to hit the textbooks. 1698196;1502813715;shinohai;https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4209546/ 1698197;1502813740;shinohai;Often misdiagnosed as Crohn's disease iirc 1698198;1502814004;*;mircea_popescu remembers the day mycobacterium was called "koch's baccilus" 1698199;1502814060;asciilifeform;'палочка Коха' 1698200;1502814079;mircea_popescu;must suck. 1698201;1502814221;shinohai;Charlie Shrem on twatter: "Bounty: I want to run a full node and connect to @Blockstream satellite. Sell me a DIY kit with all requirements" 1698202;1502814230;mircea_popescu;idiot 1698203;1502814238;shinohai;(From https://github.com/blockstream/satellite) 1698204;1502814258;mircea_popescu;he STILL doesn't know how to run a node ? after all this fucking time ? 1698205;1502814271;asciilifeform;i dun think this one has the excuse of mere idiocy 1698206;1502814275;shinohai;He missed a lot of teh logs in prison! 1698207;1502814298;mircea_popescu;rather : prison is the only employment he's qualified fopr 1698208;1502814364;asciilifeform;shinohai: link seems to refer to the satellite thing in present tense. it is live ? 1698209;1502814374;mircea_popescu;lol 1698210;1502814383;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how wediditreddit works. 1698211;1502814409;mircea_popescu;but to summarize : words are slowly fuzzed in the desired emotional direction. 1698212;1502814418;shinohai;First you get out the crayons and build the prototype, then ..... 1698213;1502814426;mircea_popescu;present tense is merely a political requirement in the vein of "subway hero must be not white" 1698214;1502814460;shinohai;"Go to the #blockstream-satellite IRC channel on freenode for additional help." 1698215;1502814463;shinohai;>.> 1698216;1502814473;mircea_popescu;oookay. 1698217;1502814502;asciilifeform;https://www.blockstream.com/satellite/satellite/ ( http://archive.is/XeYBv ) << claims to be live, lists channel freqs 1698218;1502814527;asciilifeform;they purchased time on 4 commercial sats 1698219;1502814594;*;shinohai looks for an old rtl-sdr .... 1698220;1502814610;mircea_popescu;" Ah ok I don't know about FIBRE I was simply speaking on the SATCOM portion" 1698221;1502814618;mircea_popescu;you know ? the SATCOM!!!!! portion 1698222;1502814625;asciilifeform;incidentally, is archive.is dead ? 1698223;1502814631;mircea_popescu;motherfucking imbecile nothings omfg 1698224;1502814634;asciilifeform;2nd day of eternal '#1 in queue' crud 1698225;1502814665;mircea_popescu;"look mom, i'm just like the nigger on tv! talking of the satcom portion!! would you like to hear more meaningless words ???" 1698226;1502814688;shinohai;12:27:29 Socal Mircea_popescu no it isn't it saves on bandwidth costs and doesn't require internet to get the BTC blockchain 1698227;1502814709;mircea_popescu;they're so fucking stupid their continued existence is an insult to humanity. 1698228;1502814721;mircea_popescu;"it doesn't require internet". 1698229;1502814736;mircea_popescu;and the fucking littoral compressed lulzship doesn't require wheels. 1698230;1502814756;mircea_popescu;cuz that's what the fucking wheel is, a REQUIREMENT. like totally optional. 1698231;1502814762;asciilifeform;in so far as publicity stunts go, this isn't even preposterously expensive -- anyone can rent a MHz or so of channel 1698232;1502814769;shinohai;Cuz .... it's pykrete! 1698233;1502814777;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't care about the fucking shrems involved. we know they're smegma. 1698234;1502814787;mircea_popescu;i'm tal;king of the nobodies on a stick herp0derping importantly 1698235;1502814815;mircea_popescu;the chumps. do you have any FUCKING IDEA how chumpy the esltarded chumps are ?! 1698236;1502814832;mircea_popescu;because i don't. it's eaten >9k fathoms of cable and we plumbed no bottom yet. 1698237;1502814892;mod6;this primorial thing is gonna run for a while eh 1698238;1502814899;mircea_popescu;no ? 1698239;1502814936;mod6;maybe i misunderstand the request. 1698240;1502814968;mircea_popescu;it's a minute, what. 1698241;1502814982;asciilifeform;mod6: P = primorial(N) for some N such that P < 2**4096 . 1698242;1502815006;mod6;just one number? 1698243;1502815022;asciilifeform;aha 1698244;1502815045;mod6;i thought it was 1*2*3*5*7*11*13 ... all the way up through whatever prime fits into < 4160 bits. 1698245;1502815092;asciilifeform;mod6: we dun have enuff universe for that 1698246;1502815100;asciilifeform;( timewise or spacewise ) 1698247;1502815102;mod6;im not sure i know how to code this. 1698248;1502815240;asciilifeform;mod6: amusingly, if you ~did~ have a big enough and old enough universe to contain primorial(2**4096), you could factor, e.g., mircea_popescu's key, in polynomial time, with plain old gcd 1698249;1502815513;asciilifeform;shinohai: rtlsdr won't work, it dun go to 12GHz 1698250;1502815629;asciilifeform;or i suppose it would, if you have the guts from old tv sat dish 1698251;1502815671;asciilifeform;asciilifeform in fact has ~several~ dishes , from old renters of the grounds, but can't be arsed 1698252;1502815898;mircea_popescu;so it turns out, i never heard of gut tb because you generally need aids to get it. and back when i was reading they didn't have aids just yet. 1698253;1502818891;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/au9GU/?raw=true << another formulation. 1698254;1502818891;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1698255;1502819020;shinohai; 13:40:00 @gmaxwell (also for sending out transactions people can use many other options, including SMS and snail mail--- a txn is so small you can just communicate it however else you communicate. Snail mail is slow, but if you're only communicating with the outside world via that already...) 1698256;1502819026;shinohai;Dear lord 1698257;1502819204;asciilifeform;shinohai: anything, anything to make that Golden Socialist Future full of nonterrorist blocks made of nonterrorist tx... 1698258;1502819296;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL 1698259;1502819296;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1698260;1502819304;PeterL;thanks! 1698261;1502819383;PeterL;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZI0Qx/?raw=true << reverse mpfhf hash function, given R, S, and length of message 1698262;1502819568;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698240 << about a minute to write function, about 40 ms to evaluate 1698263;1502819568;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 16:36 mircea_popescu: it's a minute, what. 1698264;1502819726;mod6;PeterL: huh 1698265;1502819881;PeterL;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1DId9/?raw=true << my function, by the way 1698266;1502820105;asciilifeform;omfg PeterL what is that primality test 1698267;1502820157;asciilifeform;looks very painful. 1698268;1502820866;PeterL;it's a basic brute force primality test, what is wrong with it? 1698269;1502820886;PeterL;works fine for small numbers 1698270;1502821700;shinohai;!!up PeterL 1698271;1502821700;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1698272;1502822659;lobbes;Interesting seeing teh different approaches. Instead of primality test, I just iterated through a static list/array of primes (I figure that list ain't changing anytime soon). Here's my potato code: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X0jSt/?raw=true 1698273;1502822716;asciilifeform;lobbes: it isn't that this doesn't work, but that the effort needed to verify that you didn't somehow miss one , is substantial 1698274;1502822741;lobbes;Makes sense 1698275;1502822758;asciilifeform;see also the thread with mod6 re the q of 'what is a readable proggy' 1698276;1502822784;asciilifeform;or for that matter the one 2yrs ago re the hypothetical tabs-an'-spaces vpatches and 'what determines effort needed to read' 1698277;1502822838;asciilifeform;not that lists of primes ain't handy -- but that the effort needed to verify one is >= to what is needed to generate same. ergo why not generate. 1698278;1502822977;lobbes;True. Plus if someday I need a bigger list, then I gotta go editing hardcoded lists vs just flipping a parameter somewhere 1698279;1502823016;lobbes;And yeah, horrible to read to boot 1698280;1502823128;PeterL;try this: print a list of the primes up to 100 or 1000, remove one at random, then try to spot which is missing just by looking at the list 1698281;1502823204;asciilifeform;imho life is too short to use 'eyeball diff'. 1698282;1502823360;PeterL;right 1698283;1502823514;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL 1698284;1502823514;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1698285;1502824414;asciilifeform;!!up valica 1698286;1502824415;deedbot;valica voiced for 30 minutes. 1698287;1502824428;asciilifeform;valica: who goes ? 1698288;1502824457;mod6;using PeterL's method, i get the same number with openssl 1698289;1502824518;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6Un27/?raw=true 1698290;1502824641;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FsDgf/?raw=true 1698291;1502825037;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/#comment-122630 << in other lulz 1698292;1502825067;asciilifeform;reads, interestingly, very much like the gut tuberculosis thing 1698293;1502825076;asciilifeform;i.e. 'this dun happen to folx with a working immune system' 1698294;1502826652;mod6;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/au9GU/?raw=true << another formulation. << thanks for posting anyway 1698295;1502826832;asciilifeform;mod6: the three snippets are a pretty good, imho, intro course to 'you can have a useful, statically-compiled lang without promiscuous pointers' 1698296;1502826910;mod6;yeah man. solid job. 1698297;1502827094;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1698298;1502827104;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4063.93, vol: 25410.14161658 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4052.4, vol: 61518.92666876 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4156.549995, vol: 27942.40520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4089.994, vol: 13752.7880282 | Volume-weighted last average: 4081.32302404 1698299;1502827111;asciilifeform;pretty serious goxlag, too 1698300;1502827118;asciilifeform;!~goxlag 1698301;1502827118;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command. 1698302;1502827121;BingoBoingo;4srs 1698303;1502827121;asciilifeform;damn. 1698304;1502827142;asciilifeform;imho oughta be reintroduced, this useful command. 1698305;1502827206;mircea_popescu;loller 1698306;1502827250;mircea_popescu;o hey peterl got teh mpfhf reverser done. 1698307;1502828382;ben_vulpes;noice 1698308;1502829463;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/where-the-fuck-is-everyone/ << Trilema - Where THE FUCK!!! is everyone ? 1698309;1502829529;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698272 << whole fucking point in such applications is diversity of approach. 1698310;1502829529;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 18:44 lobbes: Interesting seeing teh different approaches. Instead of primality test, I just iterated through a static list/array of primes (I figure that list ain't changing anytime soon). Here's my potato code: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X0jSt/?raw=true 1698311;1502829672;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698273 << verification happens through coherence. if one man writes one program to do one calculation, that man must check that a) his implementation is correct and b) his design actually does take from input to output if correctly implemented. if however the lordship writes a dozen+ programs to do the same calculation, no one man needs to verify either a or b for his own item UNLESS there's 1698312;1502829672;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 18:45 asciilifeform: lobbes: it isn't that this doesn't work, but that the effort needed to verify that you didn't somehow miss one , is substantial 1698313;1502829672;mircea_popescu; divergence. and if there is divergence, there is significant educational benefit in it, as seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698143 1698314;1502829672;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 06:00 ben_vulpes: what secrets of the universe did my inferior american education deprive me of? 1698315;1502829695;mircea_popescu;in other words, the republican model significantly reduces costs and, incredibly enough, introduces a new revenue stream. 1698316;1502829736;mircea_popescu;these premises are dependent however on diversity of implementation. (remarkably, they are not dependent on correctness of implementation ; but they are dependent on correctness of treatment of divergence, ie, no "consensus-building", ever, at all) 1698317;1502830320;mod6;In that case, I have a bit more simplified version of mine that more closely resembles what I started with before. 1698318;1502830420;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qRtdC/?raw=true 1698319;1502830693;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698279 << it has the significant advantage that it bridges into unrelated record. if your result diverges from the result, you now have a grounded suspicion re the source of whatever list you used. 1698320;1502830693;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 18:50 lobbes: And yeah, horrible to read to boot 1698321;1502831391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall what dijkstra said ? 1698322;1502831399;asciilifeform;re what testing can and cannot reveal 1698323;1502831407;asciilifeform;let's play a little game : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/En1cj/?raw=true 1698324;1502831424;asciilifeform;^ is a slightly modified version of what lobbes posted. it gives the correct answer, even 1698325;1502831440;asciilifeform;but if you were to use its list of primes for some other program... 1698326;1502831466;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you proposing what exactly, that out of an array of ineffectual methods we're to choose one and stick to it ? 1698327;1502831473;asciilifeform;nope 1698328;1502831479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's observation was correct. 1698329;1502831484;asciilifeform;but imho incomplete. 1698330;1502831486;mircea_popescu;testing only reveals the presence of errors, not their absence. sure. and guess what ? reading code with human eyes, also. and so on. 1698331;1502831512;mircea_popescu;once you found the misspelling you found it and ere you found it the text was just as correctly spelled as it will be after you find it : "as far as i know, correctly spelled" 1698332;1502831543;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's ( and probably everyone else's... ) experience, the most lethal bugs are ones which produce ~correct~ answer, ~all of the time 1698333;1502831553;asciilifeform;but via incorrect method. 1698334;1502831579;mircea_popescu;the important difference is that this was not reusable but throwaway code. the requirement was "calculater result" not "write program" 1698335;1502831585;mircea_popescu;this changes things. 1698336;1502831616;asciilifeform;this is true. but my original point was that it is impossible to verify the correctness of a list of primes other than by same procedure as generates one. 1698337;1502831643;mircea_popescu;it's certainly possible. i know the list "3, 5, 7, 11" is a list of primes through memory. 1698338;1502831740;asciilifeform;'bro do you lift!11' 'hey i lifted myself off the bed today!' 1698339;1502831748;phf;could have a monk of saint ascii life form memorize primes by heart to the 1'000'000th one, referred to by the other monks when primes are required. "please, brother joseph, we need primes #5002 to #5040" 1698340;1502831758;asciilifeform;lol 1698341;1502831776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you said impossible. it means something. 1698342;1502831812;mircea_popescu;there's no "sporting chance" rules in logic, if your theory is defeated by trivial case your theory is still defeated. 1698343;1502831815;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu had a riot reading russel & whitehead , 'idjits, taking 1500 pgs to prove 1+1=2, which i know to be so' 1698344;1502831822;mircea_popescu;mno. 1698345;1502831835;mircea_popescu;but i would have thrown frege against a wall had he "impossible" something i oculd trivially disprove. 1698346;1502831841;mircea_popescu;which is why i read frege, and i don't read obama. 1698347;1502831854;asciilifeform;recalling correct answer from memory != solving . 1698348;1502831859;mircea_popescu;this is fucking important. managing to go through 500 pages of highly contrived nonsense without flyiong out of my hand, not for everybody. 1698349;1502831871;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you said impossible by any other method. 1698350;1502831881;*;asciilifeform straps on gas mask 1698351;1502831902;mircea_popescu;maybe try strapping that thing off sometime. im startying to suspect "gas canister" doesn't say what you thought it said! 1698352;1502831977;asciilifeform;to briefly revisit upstack, imho a program which weighs more than its output, has a fundamental problem 1698353;1502831996;mircea_popescu;plenty of programs output a boolean. 1698354;1502832027;asciilifeform;tru ( and i linked an rsa-to-nsat generator thing earlier today ) 1698355;1502832046;asciilifeform;which, lulzily, refuses to eat anything above 2048-bit modulus 1698356;1502832049;asciilifeform;( why? i have nfi ) 1698357;1502832061;mircea_popescu;prolly munitions bs. 1698358;1502832077;asciilifeform;pretty sure that one's stuck at 512 to this day 1698359;1502832103;asciilifeform;( not updated since clinton reign ) 1698360;1502832221;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima try and pen a pre-rfc on tmsr-rsa, unless anyone has objections ? 1698361;1502832236;asciilifeform;didn't mircea_popescu make one in 2014 ? 1698362;1502832261;asciilifeform;the one where 'just store the fucking modulus and exponent' 1698363;1502832270;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, it's been a while. 1698364;1502832276;mircea_popescu;which one are you thinking of ? 1698365;1502832320;*;asciilifeform digs for link... 1698366;1502832332;mircea_popescu;there's been too much waffling re keys on my part (which means -- any). i feel bad about it an' i perceive gotta write up 1698367;1502832334;mod6;I think it's fine, we can ratify / ammend it as needed I suppose. 1698368;1502832355;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah. more like a scratchpad than anything yet. 1698369;1502832423;asciilifeform;hm where did it go ! 1698370;1502832434;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu's original rsa piece ) 1698371;1502832521;mircea_popescu;dja mean the early gossip talk ? 1698372;1502832537;asciilifeform;no 1698373;1502832545;asciilifeform;the trilema on 'republican rsa key format' 1698374;1502832655;mircea_popescu;you mean the k,e,N thing ? 1698375;1502832659;asciilifeform;aha 1698376;1502832671;asciilifeform;for my part, i'm curious re what part of rsa mircea_popescu thinks even needs to be standardized 1698377;1502832673;mircea_popescu;pretty much logs only i thought 1698378;1502832700;asciilifeform;( i dun see any reason for a standard exponent, for instance. let it be a W-wide prime , different for each man ) 1698379;1502832700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform plenty of things, gimme a moment here. 1698380;1502832786;asciilifeform;and no moar pissant smallint exponents, either. let it weigh as much as the modulus. 1698381;1502832821;asciilifeform;no moar 'we heathens have faster rsa because mother dropped us as babies and our rsatron does different work on different hamming weights' 1698382;1502832953;mircea_popescu;see ? 1698383;1502832975;asciilifeform;which 1698384;1502833199;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's intent with 'p' is to push in the direction of maximum barking anarchy re pubkeys. as it is we have too many 'standards' as it is, ~all of them ill-conceived and smelling of sulfur. 1698385;1502833272;asciilifeform;and this also means as few 'magic numbers' as it is physically possible to get away with. 1698386;1502833377;asciilifeform;and this yes means that asciilifeform holds caps on modulus width to be asinine 1698387;1502833460;asciilifeform;p proggy opens up with the breathoflife preamble, e.g., (TMSR!8192*3,50*500) << 8192bit bus, 3 words of stack, 50 bytes of program following the closing ), 500 steps of execution max. 1698388;1502833477;asciilifeform;this means that the reader (READER, long before executing) knows precisely how much time and space the proggy requires. 1698389;1502833497;asciilifeform;so he can never be surprised by 'd00d's modulus is Too Big!111omfg' 1698390;1502833538;asciilifeform;if i specify a pubkey for myself with 65536-bit public mod, then other people can simply decide that i'm an arse and that verifying my sigs isn't actually +ev for them 1698391;1502833563;asciilifeform;it is a matter strictly between the fella generating the key, and his wot, not for the author of rsatron. 1698392;1502833583;asciilifeform;the duty of the rsatron author is ~to get the fuck out of the way~ 1698393;1502834606;asciilifeform;in that spirit, other thing asciilifeform aims for with 'p', is to zap the idiocy where pubkey was strictly an item for ~machine~ to read, and make it something primarily for ~man~ to read. 1698394;1502834628;asciilifeform;( while also operable on by machine, to demonstrate that the arithmetic in fact comes out as stated ) 1698395;1502835722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/ 1698396;1502835729;asciilifeform;oh hey 1698397;1502835731;mircea_popescu;mod6 ^ 1698398;1502835799;mircea_popescu;first question, of course, being whether there's value in changing the spec for key primes from "2048" to ">2046" bits. 1698399;1502835834;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122644 << 1st nitpick!1111 1698400;1502835870;asciilifeform;likewise we had the fingerprint thread 1698401;1502835876;asciilifeform;fingerprints are fundamentally retarded 1698402;1502835885;asciilifeform;no moar fingerprints. your key is your key. 1698403;1502835914;asciilifeform;no hash --- no collision, floating around somewhere in phase space waiting to be found. 1698404;1502835934;mircea_popescu;you want to actually forbid them ? 1698405;1502835956;asciilifeform;see asciilifeform's earlier barf: not so interested in forbidding anything 1698406;1502835960;asciilifeform;but in not-standardizing. 1698407;1502835966;mircea_popescu;so then what's teh problem. 1698408;1502835986;asciilifeform;if some d00d wants to go around saying 'my pubkey can also be referred to by the letter z' that's his life to lose. 1698409;1502835989;mircea_popescu;um. you either standardize them to null, standardize them to something sane, or allow the empire to standardize them to something idiotic. this is your trilemma. 1698410;1502835991;mircea_popescu;no way out of it. 1698411;1502836005;mircea_popescu;i opted for 2. 1698412;1502836019;asciilifeform;i dun see this picture, where we GOTTA take a shit into this here fine vase, 'or empire will' 1698413;1502836022;asciilifeform;how about an unshat-in vase. 1698414;1502836088;BingoBoingo;But vase shit has phosphorous, for the flowahs! 1698415;1502836115;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664352 << see also thread 1698416;1502836115;a111;Logged on 2017-06-01 18:14 asciilifeform: a business card printed on a very spartan (100 'dpi' ) press , gives what, 350 x 200 b&w pixels ; 1698417;1502836193;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590895 , and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640824 discussions also. 1698418;1502836193;a111;Logged on 2016-12-27 05:27 asciilifeform: the only sane 'fingerprint' is the entire modulus+exponent. 1698419;1502836193;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the more i think about it the more i'm convinced the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be... the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't take 32 chars you don't belong here. 1698420;1502836200;mircea_popescu;this is not altogether a weak argument. consider the converse though : suppose i wish to refer to my key by using fewer chars than 512 ? 1698421;1502836216;asciilifeform;this is fundamentally bad idea imho. 1698422;1502836220;asciilifeform;and there is no escape. 1698423;1502836228;mircea_popescu;i mean, i call out "hey, slut" and a dozen eyes rise. these are collisions, and what of it. 1698424;1502836232;asciilifeform;it's like asking for a 17 that can also be referred to as 3. 1698425;1502836241;mircea_popescu;but it's how life goes. 1698426;1502836254;asciilifeform;shitting where one stands is also 'how life goes'. for some. 1698427;1502836258;asciilifeform;for others, no. 1698428;1502836265;mircea_popescu;consider : we often use [very!] short forms of ideas in here, and rely on the op to correctly resolve. 1698429;1502836274;mircea_popescu;it's cheaper this way than to inline everything. 1698430;1502836277;asciilifeform;whole point of cryptosig is not-this. 1698431;1502836293;asciilifeform;to nail down the unambiguous and concrete. 1698432;1502836310;mircea_popescu;but TO HAVE. when needed. not to always. 1698433;1502836323;mircea_popescu;i don't carry around all my rifles all the time, to take a leak, etc. i can't. 1698434;1502836340;asciilifeform;non-1-to-1 pubkey is as useful as pistol that fires from both ends. 1698435;1502836359;mircea_popescu;ie, outer space pistol ? 1698436;1502836359;asciilifeform;yes i can think of a contrieved situation that calls for one. but no i don't want it in the rack next to the ordinary ones. 1698437;1502836361;mircea_popescu;(stability.) 1698438;1502836387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was thinking of the aerial gun in ww1, before they figured out that the stuff on the nonbusiness end dun have to be same bullet, only same mass 1698439;1502836390;asciilifeform;but sure. 1698440;1502836399;mircea_popescu;to be sure, i don't think you're making a weak case. im leaving the matter open, at least for a while, can you live with that ? 1698441;1502836428;asciilifeform;sure 1698442;1502836445;mircea_popescu;now to the graver matter of mpfhf. http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122645 1698443;1502836448;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's ~whole argument is 'leave as much rsa a matter for pubkey maker as physically possible' 1698444;1502836451;mircea_popescu;dja want to take it out altogether ? 1698445;1502836477;asciilifeform;well either it, or the constant-spacetime. and i'm quite sold on keeping the latter. 1698446;1502836483;asciilifeform;but i dun see how they can live together 1698447;1502836492;asciilifeform;am i missing something? 1698448;1502836492;mircea_popescu;oaep won;t constant spacetime either. 1698449;1502836497;asciilifeform;why not ? 1698450;1502836506;asciilifeform;it's just a buncha xors 1698451;1502836510;asciilifeform;O(1) 1698452;1502836532;mircea_popescu;xor(R) 1698453;1502836534;mircea_popescu;hm. 1698454;1502836547;mircea_popescu;yeah, it gotta go huh. 1698455;1502836632;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gone. 1698456;1502836651;asciilifeform;lol just when i thought up of a hypothetical way to save it!111 1698457;1502836662;mircea_popescu;the 1and0 thing ? 1698458;1502836679;asciilifeform;consider : 1698459;1502836689;mircea_popescu;tbh, i'd very much like to have an alternative there. i put in and took out the thing twice before announcing, this is the third. 1698460;1502836695;asciilifeform;P proggy specifies its time and space requirement , first thing 1698461;1502836698;mircea_popescu;it dun have to be mpfhf so much as i'd like a GOOD alt. 1698462;1502836711;asciilifeform;this means that anything that can happen inside one, happens in fixed time and space 1698463;1502836716;mircea_popescu;ok. 1698464;1502836727;asciilifeform;~after~ a mphf (or similar) hash is taken, the time and space required are known. 1698465;1502836737;asciilifeform;bang, magic, fixed-time-and-space. 1698466;1502836744;mircea_popescu;uh ? 1698467;1502836746;mircea_popescu;mpfhf varies. 1698468;1502836768;asciilifeform;yes but after you've calculated one particular hash, it won't vary... 1698469;1502836776;asciilifeform;you know ~that one~'s time and space size. 1698470;1502836799;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/ << Trilema - TMSR-RSA spec, extremely early draft 1698471;1502836803;mircea_popescu;yes, but you'd have to have writer-with-padder on your isolated machine, move pre-padded shit to the fire machine. 1698472;1502836810;asciilifeform;correct. 1698473;1502836819;mircea_popescu;you can do that without me speccing it. 1698474;1502836825;asciilifeform;aha! 1698475;1502836831;mircea_popescu;so not saved. 1698476;1502836837;asciilifeform;hm. 1698477;1502836889;mircea_popescu;the ONE way to constant-mpfhf is to calculate ALL the tree of possibilities, 2^message length items EVERY TIME 1698478;1502836902;mircea_popescu;this is so necessarily, as a converse statement of its strength. 1698479;1502836905;asciilifeform;oh hm waitasec 1698480;1502836910;asciilifeform;didn't i derive a bounding function for it... 1698481;1502836916;mircea_popescu;it's bound yes. 1698482;1502836937;mircea_popescu;by m bit size. 1698483;1502836952;mircea_popescu;(by design!!11) 1698484;1502836954;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679487 << thread, iirc 1698485;1502836954;a111;Logged on 2017-07-06 00:28 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes. bound. 1698486;1502836995;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you proposing to simply "take" bound time every time ? cuz i dunno this can bew done irl. 1698487;1502837020;asciilifeform;if it always terminates, then yes 1698488;1502837023;asciilifeform;i dun see how not. 1698489;1502837051;asciilifeform;(i.e. if you, yourself, already computed H(x), then you know how many turns of the crank it took. and can pass that number along.) 1698490;1502837058;mircea_popescu;yes it always terminates. 1698491;1502837093;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and what do you do, sleep(rest) lol 1698492;1502837178;asciilifeform;why naturally you gave me a 9000 steps, and that's a, e.g., (TMSR!8192*3,50*9000)...... 1698493;1502837186;asciilifeform;and 9000 steps later, answer. 1698494;1502837196;asciilifeform;and not 8999, and not 9001. 1698495;1502837230;mircea_popescu;i dun follow. 1698496;1502837260;mircea_popescu;so, message M takes 105 bits and 114 steps. message M' takes 107 bits and 119 steps. message M'' takes 103 bits and 115 steps. 1698497;1502837262;mircea_popescu;now what ? 1698498;1502837341;mircea_popescu;(they're all 12 letter words say). 1698499;1502837346;asciilifeform;was more of a philosophical observation : that mphf is not turing-complete ( in the same way 'p' is not. deliberately ) 1698500;1502837360;mircea_popescu;yes. but it DOES fork on secret bits all the time. 1698501;1502837362;asciilifeform;and thereby any ~particular~ invocation, can be called bounded. 1698502;1502837365;mircea_popescu;in fact -- thart's all it does. 1698503;1502837375;asciilifeform;it sure does. 1698504;1502837379;asciilifeform;lolyes 1698505;1502837406;mircea_popescu;so unless you're willing to do ALL the alternatives every time, you won't have "true" constantttime. 1698506;1502837415;asciilifeform;theoretically you can make it not. 1698507;1502837426;mircea_popescu;how ? 1698508;1502837443;asciilifeform;by not actually doing the flip-whole-thing bit 1698509;1502837467;asciilifeform;but instead flipping a single bit that gets xored with the result every time you read from the would-have-been-flipped reg. 1698510;1502837486;asciilifeform;iirc i mentioned this to phf here. 1698511;1502837489;mircea_popescu;hmm 1698512;1502837491;asciilifeform;( as optimization ) 1698513;1502837527;mircea_popescu;cuz it'd be either 1 or 0 huh 1698514;1502837530;asciilifeform;aha. 1698515;1502837540;mircea_popescu;this is an interesting point. 1698516;1502837555;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679049 was the other . ) 1698517;1502837555;a111;Logged on 2017-07-04 14:12 asciilifeform: one hint -- look at 'screw' as a modular congruence 1698518;1502837559;mircea_popescu;constant-time MPFHF is now an open question for teh interested. 1698519;1502837585;mircea_popescu;!~later tell peterl in case you were looking for more obscure fhf shit to do : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698518 1698520;1502837585;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 22:52 mircea_popescu: constant-time MPFHF is now an open question for teh interested. 1698521;1502837585;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1698522;1502837604;asciilifeform;of course, arguably if you can actually DO this, you will probably lose interest in the mphf method per se 1698523;1502837618;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1698524;1502837753;mircea_popescu;anyway. other than the above "can constantify mpfhf ?" question, also open is the matter of alternative padding. currently all we have is oaep. 1698525;1502837826;mircea_popescu;!!up r0nin- 1698526;1502837827;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1698527;1502837834;r0nin-;hi mircea 1698528;1502837881;asciilifeform;who might you be, r0nin- ? 1698529;1502837896;mircea_popescu;im guessing a medieval samurai ? 1698530;1502837911;r0nin-;im a nobody 1698531;1502837917;r0nin-;just occasional reader of trilema for amusement 1698532;1502837933;mircea_popescu;aite. 1698533;1502837955;asciilifeform;r0nin-: would you like to become.. a somebody? 1698534;1502837961;r0nin-;no 1698535;1502837965;asciilifeform;r0nin-: consider making a key? 1698536;1502837968;asciilifeform;aite. 1698537;1502837991;mircea_popescu;somebodyhood is overrated eh ? 1698538;1502837996;r0nin-;http://trilema.com/2017/where-the-fuck-is-everyone/ 1698539;1502837997;asciilifeform;evidently! 1698540;1502838003;r0nin-;is there a link to this youtube elsehwere? 1698541;1502838008;r0nin-;shit is blocked in my area 1698542;1502838018;mircea_popescu;jaysus 1698543;1502838027;asciilifeform;r0nin-: out of curiosity, where ? china ? 1698544;1502838031;r0nin-;poland 1698545;1502838037;r0nin-;every fucking nazi thing gets banned 1698546;1502838062;BingoBoingo; somebodyhood is overrated eh ? << Hey, people are selling "DON'T BE SOMEBODY!!!" now somebodyhood is overrated eh ? 1698547;1502838067;mircea_popescu;r0nin- it was in the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697556 1698548;1502838067;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 15:12 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU << 'my father would spin like a dreidel in his grave if he saw' 1698549;1502838067;asciilifeform;betcha you played wolfenstein without the swasticas , with green blood, too.. 1698550;1502838114;mircea_popescu;r0nin- so get a you know, alt-ip 1698551;1502838131;BingoBoingo; somebodyhood is overrated eh ? << Hey, people are selling "DON'T BE SOMEBODY!!!" now >> http://www.returnofkings.com/125632/the-influence-curve 1698552;1502838137;asciilifeform;r0nin-: dun go away, i'ma make a mirror just for ya 1698553;1502838141;r0nin-;lol the faggot commenting on the video 1698554;1502838148;r0nin-;i got it going 1698555;1502838175;mircea_popescu;twist : voiceover was by alf all along! 1698556;1502838186;mircea_popescu;fishbirding or w/e it's called! 1698557;1502838226;asciilifeform;r0nin-: ok 1698558;1502838298;asciilifeform;lol 1698559;1502838842;BingoBoingo;Fishwiving? Birddogging? Doggystyling? 1698560;1502838882;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that was a riotously terrifyingly stupid piece... 1698561;1502838904;asciilifeform;( the 'influence' thing ) 1698562;1502838906;mircea_popescu;will you summarize ? i dun intend to read it. 1698563;1502838949;asciilifeform;http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/influence-vs-enemy1.jpg << summary 1698564;1502838973;mircea_popescu;mmkay. 1698565;1502838974;asciilifeform;'nail that sticks up is hammered down' or how it went. 1698566;1502838997;asciilifeform;snoaromatic 1698567;1502839000;mircea_popescu;is these for people who actually give a shit re pantsuit or what. 1698568;1502839011;asciilifeform;aha, for whom else 1698569;1502839022;mircea_popescu;i totally should translate that "chinese dissident" article sometime. 1698570;1502839033;asciilifeform;and as always reader is presumed to count 1698571;1502839042;asciilifeform;iirc you did translate 1698572;1502839047;mircea_popescu;ah ? ok then 1698573;1502839073;asciilifeform;the one where 'come to moma's cunt ir we'll give yer wife anabortion every day' 1698574;1502839085;mircea_popescu;aha! 1698575;1502839100;asciilifeform;or maybe i read it in ro, i faghet 1698576;1502839104;mircea_popescu;"whether she needs one or not" 1698577;1502839111;asciilifeform;aha!! 1698578;1502839111;mircea_popescu;was pretty good in ro, i thought. 1698579;1502839130;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. everyone's a mathematician and everyone's a warrior nao ? 1698580;1502839144;mircea_popescu;what else are these halfwits born-ready for ? besides "everything" i mean./ 1698581;1502839161;asciilifeform;dun forget, generals also 1698582;1502839168;asciilifeform;and what else. 1698583;1502839168;mircea_popescu;fucking walking, talking stem cells on two legs. 1698584;1502839194;*;asciilifeform sings 'modern major general' 1698585;1502839689;mod6;~<+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/ << ah, thanks! 1698586;1502839692;*;mod6 reads scrollback 1698587;1502839699;mircea_popescu;mah pleasure 1698588;1502839983;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/ << original. 1698589;1502840002;mircea_popescu;dun seem to be an en variant and yet i vaguely recall one. 1698590;1502842446;mod6;<+r0nin-> no << heh, so much for that eh 1698591;1502844816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : trilema.com/2015/he-who-gets-married/ 1698592;1502844859;asciilifeform;^ http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698589 1698593;1502844859;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 23:33 mircea_popescu: dun seem to be an en variant and yet i vaguely recall one. 1698594;1502847328;mod6;wb 1698595;1502847359;mike_c;good evening 1698596;1502847438;mod6;how goes tonight? 1698597;1502847464;mike_c;train sucked, but dinner was good. I'll take it. 1698598;1502847468;mike_c;yours? 1698599;1502848403;mircea_popescu;lamb stu. 1698600;1502848409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ty! 1698601;1502848499;mircea_popescu;"It's all very simple, you sit in the embassy and dissideate" 1698602;1502848501;mircea_popescu;heh not so bad. 1698603;1502848686;mod6;mike_c: good! 1698604;1502848941;mike_c;good god. I downloaded these patches one by one, but there's about a million seals. 1698605;1502848982;mike_c;guess i need to grepcut this thing 1698606;1502849004;phf;mike_c: easiest is to just grab this folder, http://btcbase.org/data/stable/ (and http://btcbase.org/data/experimental/ if you want some "unreleased" shit) 1698607;1502849064;phf;actually i've no idea what you're talking about, but considering "seals" i assumed it's trb 1698608;1502849086;mike_c;oh. yeah. ffs, why was i following offline todo. 1698609;1502849089;mike_c;thanks 1698610;1502849234;phf;there's also the mod6 method that builds the whole thing for you, but i haven't tried that since before i wrote own v presser.. 1698611;1502849333;mircea_popescu;phf it'd have been great for shrem, had he enough fucking sense to read his own name. 1698612;1502849661;asciilifeform;waiwat 1698613;1502849709;phf;i think that's re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698201 1698614;1502849709;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 16:23 shinohai: Charlie Shrem on twatter: "Bounty: I want to run a full node and connect to @Blockstream satellite. Sell me a DIY kit with all requirements" 1698615;1502849729;mircea_popescu;aha. 1698616;1502849734;asciilifeform;aah 1698617;1502849763;asciilifeform;i dun quite get how come that muppet is still in circulation. i'd naively imagine that he's spent 1698618;1502849857;mircea_popescu;you know what happens to garbage, asciilifeform ? 1698619;1502849862;mircea_popescu;it gets taken to the dump. 1698620;1502849866;mircea_popescu;where it... sits. eternally. 1698621;1502849882;asciilifeform;it sits. not speaks. 1698622;1502849883;mircea_popescu;sometimes a flood or something comes and raises it up again, then it's taken to dump again, sits there more... 1698623;1502849888;mircea_popescu;there's no specific end to garbage. 1698624;1502849892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it only speaks if you listen. 1698625;1502849898;asciilifeform;tru 1698626;1502849923;mircea_popescu;there's spent beer cans from like 1972 sitting somewhere closer to manhattan than you are. 1698627;1502849932;mircea_popescu;just... sitting there. screaming COORS! in the darkness. 1698628;1502849942;mircea_popescu;if someone dug them up and shone a light on them, they'd scream it in full color. 1698629;1502849995;asciilifeform;one time asciilifeform went into a demolition site, found newspapers from 'watergate' in the spaces between old cinderblocks, yes. 1698630;1502850017;asciilifeform;surprisingly -- readable, and in decent mechanical shape 1698631;1502850049;mircea_popescu;so in other random lulz, i just built a pulse checker out of this ten cent girly hairpiece. it's about 20cm long, and basically a chinese plastic spiral with teeth. if you hold it up,. one hand on each edge, and prop your elbows against your thorax it vibrates with the pulse vehehery visibly. 1698632;1502850582;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the fine synonym for epheb we were using at some point re the herdemocracy aparatchicks ? i'd like to revive it. 1698633;1502850625;asciilifeform;preet? 1698634;1502850677;mircea_popescu;no no. 1698635;1502850689;mircea_popescu;homosexual synonym, not quite minion 1698636;1502850700;mircea_popescu;gah i fucking hate lapses 1698637;1502850720;asciilifeform;catamite? 1698638;1502850722;mod6;<+mike_c> oh. yeah. ffs, why was i following offline todo. << aha, the ONLINE version is certainly less work 1698639;1502850722;mircea_popescu;ty! 1698640;1502850948;mike_c;yes. not building yet, but closer. 1698641;1502851239;mike_c;mod6 is gcc 4 necessary? like 5 is not expected to work? 1698642;1502851371;mike_c;blech, i guess make is more likely culprit. it's calling "c ..." instead of "gcc ..." 1698643;1502851575;phf;mike_c: i had it working with pretty much everything, gcc4, gcc5, clang/llvm. when i build manually i just use dependencies that whatever local package gives me, at which point make Just Works 1698644;1502851616;mike_c;yeah, no luck yet. that's what i get for spinning up an ubuntu server out of laziness probably. 1698645;1502851648;mircea_popescu;ubuntu is not particularly known to misbehave here 1698646;1502851816;mike_c;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iKxpS/?raw=true 1698647;1502851833;mike_c;^ misbehaving. 1698648;1502851839;*;mod6 looks 1698649;1502851847;asciilifeform;somebody very recently posted same thing 1698650;1502851857;asciilifeform;it means that buildroot failed 1698651;1502851874;asciilifeform;( failed , specifically, to produce a working gcc envir ) 1698652;1502851874;mod6;yeah, very strange 1698653;1502851891;mod6;make sure to use gcc4, i've seen problems myself with gcc5 1698654;1502851900;mike_c;i'll roll back 1698655;1502851959;phf;ooh, you know what, looking at the latest v tree, it looks like the makefiles are modified in all kinds of buildroot specific ways!.. 1698656;1502851983;phf;so i've no idea if it even builds outside of buildroot anymore, but judging by 1698657;1502851987;phf;export CC=$(shell readlink -f toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc) 1698658;1502851998;phf;it shouldn't 1698659;1502852037;mod6;mike_c: did you get all of the vpatches, seals, and other things as described in the Howto? 1698660;1502852044;mike_c;yeah 1698661;1502852049;mod6;ok. good deal. 1698662;1502852050;mike_c;i mean, i used your perl script 1698663;1502852055;mike_c;and it looks like they are there 1698664;1502852074;mod6;that should be fine. there was a fella in here about a week ago with the same problem as you're having/ 1698665;1502852100;mod6;we never did resolve what it was. and strangely, i've never seen it before. im perplexed. 1698666;1502852125;mike_c;well, we will hopefully soon see if gcc4 works. then there is a culprit. 1698667;1502852129;mod6;ultimately we determined it to be some type of environment issue. 1698668;1502852137;mod6;sure, hopefully. 1698669;1502852261;asciilifeform;the buildroot (aka 'rotor') thing is a dour wartime expedient, in case anyone forgot -- if we had a musltronic linux, or a bsd (i.e. non-glibc os) it would be unnecessary 1698670;1502852378;mike_c;gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.4-3ubuntu12) 4.7.4 << will try 1698671;1502852441;mod6;alright. 1698672;1502852501;phf;erll, quite obviously for the makefile to work you have to have a file "toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc" relative to where you're calling "make" from 1698673;1502852532;mod6;if he follows the directions exactly, shouldn't be an issue. 1698674;1502852575;trinque;phf: read makefile.unix 1698675;1502852588;trinque;that's the one that originally shipped with the thing, still there 1698676;1502852621;phf;trinque: possibly my thing is not pressing correctly, i don't see it here http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/ 1698677;1502852644;trinque;http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/makefile.unix << satoshi downcased it for reasons 1698678;1502852668;phf;aaah 1698679;1502852821;phf;but i don't think that's the one he's using, if he's building with rotor.. that whole new build infrastructure seems to exist apart. 1698680;1502852850;phf;there's this whole dispatch mechanism, http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/build/Makefile#L35 but it exists in it's own ./build/ folder 1698681;1502852930;trinque;correct, meant to say that if he wanted to skip all that, could by going there. I may have misunderstood. 1698682;1502852962;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698656 << in re 1698683;1502852962;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 02:53 phf: so i've no idea if it even builds outside of buildroot anymore, but judging by 1698684;1502852970;phf;yeah, ty 1698685;1502853011;phf;for extra lulz if you call "make" from src you're going to run rotor build, but if you want to run "legacy" build system you do make -f makefile.unix 1698686;1502853023;mike_c;this exists: /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl 1698687;1502853497;mod6;any luck? 1698688;1502853512;mircea_popescu;mod6 at edge of seat over there... 1698689;1502853520;mod6;this is driving me crazy aha. 1698690;1502853524;mike_c;i don't want it to jinx it. not done yet. but it seems to be working much better. 1698691;1502853541;mod6;and there's no way, apparently, to solve this for everyone until bitcoinos/cuntos is a thing. 1698692;1502853546;phf;mike_c: does this exist /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc ? 1698693;1502853568;mod6;phf: <+mike_c> this exists: /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl 1698694;1502853577;mod6;oh -gcc 1698695;1502853584;phf;... 1698696;1502853593;mike_c;yeah, what I pasted. 1698697;1502853597;mike_c;no -gcc 1698698;1502853608;mod6;for the record, i don't have that in my builds either, ignore that mike_c 1698699;1502853616;mod6;proceed. 1698700;1502853641;mod6;if this doesn't work, i'll just help you step-by-step myself. no worries. 1698701;1502853680;phf;wtf. 1698702;1502853750;phf;mod6: it's your own makefile, it does readlink for that path. you can't not have it in yoru build 1698703;1502853753;mod6;have you ever built the new way phf? 1698704;1502853833;mircea_popescu;ftr, my most recent mod6 recipe buiild is ~week old, went without issue. 1698705;1502854221;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-taking-of-pelham-123-x2/ << Trilema - The Taking of Pelham 123 x2 1698706;1502855097;mike_c;half an hour later, failed. that's disappointing. but it did a lot more. 1698707;1502855165;mod6;ok. can you paste the error. i'll help you now if you have time, or we can try tomorrow (whenever) you have more. 1698708;1502855201;mike_c;./toolchain/usr/include/ncurses -O2 -I/var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/buildroot-2015.05/output/../../toolchain/usr/include --param max-inline-insns-single=1200 -fPIC -c ../ncurses/lib_gen.c -o ../obj_s/lib_gen.o 1698709;1502855202;mike_c;_22483.c:835:2: error: expected â before ât 1698710;1502855228;mod6;ah, yeah. 1698711;1502855300;mod6;sec. 1698712;1502855350;mike_c;but this did tons more. I'm going to go ahead and say gcc5 is no good for this (at least on out-of-the-box ubuntu) 1698713;1502855412;mod6;yeah. it doesn't work with gcc5. this looks like the ncurses bug. 1698714;1502855436;mod6;do you have rsync installed? 1698715;1502855461;mike_c;rsync version 3.1.1 protocol version 31 1698716;1502855472;mod6;ok 1698717;1502855543;mod6;this bug seems to pop up with gcc5 iirc. 1698718;1502855553;mod6;are you certain that gcc5 is vanquished from your sys? 1698719;1502855569;mike_c;no 1698720;1502855595;mike_c;only that /usr/bin/gcc is 4.7 1698721;1502855661;mike_c;apt remove gcc-5 << ran successfully. i'll try again 1698722;1502855666;mod6;so this is the issue (from some bugtracker) https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/18301 1698723;1502855691;mod6;try 'purge' too if you need, consult man page for 'apt' if required. 1698724;1502855715;mod6;let me know before you try to rebuild, i'd like to walk you through flushing the tubs. 1698725;1502855718;mod6;*tubes 1698726;1502855735;mike_c;apt autoremove < executed. 1698727;1502855760;mod6;i think you can check in /etc/alternatives or whatever, to ensure there are no links or nothing to gcc5. 1698728;1502855781;mod6;you must smite it :] 1698729;1502855790;mike_c;it's gone 1698730;1502855793;mod6;ok awesome. 1698731;1502855795;mike_c;nothing in alternatives or usr/bin 1698732;1502855814;mod6;so now, let's back up your /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/deps directory. 1698733;1502855848;mod6;copy /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/deps/*.asc to some other holding tank and let me know when ready. 1698734;1502855860;mike_c;cp -R deps/ ~ 1698735;1502855871;mod6;ok. 1698736;1502855885;mod6;now, `cd /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin ; make clean` 1698737;1502855900;mike_c;ugh. that's a 45 minute penalty.. 1698738;1502855914;mike_c;any use in trying incremental before that? 1698739;1502855943;mod6;you can try, but it may not help. i'd suggest starting clean from a failed build. 1698740;1502855948;mike_c;ok 1698741;1502855960;mike_c;cleaned 1698742;1502855962;mod6;we can pick this up later if you'd rather too. no worries. 1698743;1502855984;mike_c;should i just make ONLINE=1 again? 1698744;1502856036;mod6;ok, next: `cd /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/deps ; cp ~/*.asc .` -- hopefully, in your ~ you only have .asc deeds, and not, say, other stuff... 1698745;1502856085;mike_c;there's a bunch of stuff in there. I'll just grab the .asc though. 1698746;1502856094;mod6;yeah, we just need the deeds. 1698747;1502856105;mod6;not the extracted stuff or anything else. 1698748;1502856109;mike_c;after the clean, still Makefile in deps 1698749;1502856112;mike_c;expected? 1698750;1502856116;mod6;yup. 1698751;1502856118;mike_c;k 1698752;1502856138;mod6;there should be a Manifest.sha512 in tehre too. 1698753;1502856139;mike_c;done 1698754;1502856140;mike_c;yeah 1698755;1502856142;mod6;ok 1698756;1502856156;mod6;now `cd /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin ; make` 1698757;1502856159;mike_c;including ncurses-5.9.tar.gz.asc 1698758;1502856167;mod6;ok, that's correct. 1698759;1502856190;mike_c;off and running. will update. 1698760;1502856195;mod6;thanks Mike. 1698761;1502856202;mike_c;certainly, thanks for the help! 1698762;1502856207;mod6;np 1698763;1502856424;mike_c;ah, failed again, but this time in helpful manner 1698764;1502856456;mod6;jeeze. ok. 1698765;1502856466;mike_c;no, it's good. see, gcc-5 was cleansed, but not cpp-5 1698766;1502856473;mod6;ahh. alrighty. 1698767;1502856478;mike_c;so now I burn this server to the ground and start over. 1698768;1502856489;mod6;heh, ok, sorry for the pain. 1698769;1502856500;mike_c;no, it's good. lesson learned, RTFM and use v4 1698770;1502856556;mod6;ok, well feel free to reach out to me when you're ready to try again, even if not today. i'll be here. 1698771;1502856678;mod6;ubuntu and it's hanging chads, i know the pain. 1698772;1502856688;mike_c;hehe. 1698773;1502859524;mike_c;gah. well, that's it for tonight.. now it *is* looking for that: 1698774;1502859526;mike_c;CC =/var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc 1698775;1502859531;mike_c;and it's not there. 1698776;1502859554;mike_c;try again tomorrow. 1698777;1502860414;mod6;!~later tell mike_c hmm, ok thanks, we'll work through it. 1698778;1502860414;jhvh1;mod6: The operation succeeded. 1698779;1502860981;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5BEFD0E92BFE1675D28A97B03E2B8EC76840F1CD640FAC1CC06EA3CFD3F75147 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1600...6519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.66.34 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.66.34 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (4422.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU) 1698780;1502860981;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5BEFD0E92BFE1675D28A97B03E2B8EC76840F1CD640FAC1CC06EA3CFD3F75147 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1641...9043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.66.34 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.66.34 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (4422.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU) 1698781;1502866285;BingoBoingo;!~later tell cazalla tyvm, but stahp trying to do the email thing. Textpast and !~later tell like a normal person. Email doesn't work better than 60% reliable anymore. 1698782;1502866285;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1698783;1502866322;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/google-godaddy-and-coinbase-go-political-kill-accounts-for-conservative-action-and-advocacy/ << Qntra - Google, Godaddy, And CoinBase Go Political – Kill Accounts For Conservative Action And Advocacy 1698784;1502866427;mircea_popescu;use coinbase, derp about bitcoin. then i'm supposed to distinguish these yokels from any other yokels because why the fuck, their mommy dropped them on their head in a very special way or something ? 1698785;1502866479;mircea_popescu;for the same money as confusing bitcoin and usglade i might confuse andrew anglin for michael moore. 1698786;1502866490;mircea_popescu;hey, both have superhero style names, close enough. 1698787;1502867959;BingoBoingo;Well, Monday it came out that the organizer of the Charlottesville rally was a Obama voter and BernieBro until a week after Trump was elected. They are fungible! 1698788;1502868039;mircea_popescu;heh 1698789;1502868504;BingoBoingo;Seriously though, the motherfuckers will do the whole "I r dissident" song and dance, playing into the USG cartoon image of Nazis. BUT they refuse to extricate themselves from Actual Spyops like Coinbase. 1698790;1502868900;mircea_popescu;trufax. 1698791;1502868944;*;mircea_popescu is very much unconvinced ANY usian "dissidents", "alt right", "nazi" or whatever else would last five minutes after costco cancels their cable subscription or w/e. 1698792;1502868945;mircea_popescu;so... 1698793;1502869260;mircea_popescu;now i'm re-reading alf's curation of naggum, and the last item there is... 1698794;1502869262;mircea_popescu;"the only _important_ property of evils of the past is that they not be repeated in the future, in any way, shape, or form. by refusing to accept humor about past evils, you lend them an importance they do not deserve and which will ultimately destroy your _own_ future, while those of us who can distinguish what we learn from the lessons where we learn it, can hope to find a future that doesn’t need to have reruns of past e 1698795;1502869262;mircea_popescu;vils with new names as the only difference just because some _morons_ can’t learn from the past." 1698796;1502869274;mircea_popescu;the only problem with rthis view being that there's no such thing as "evils of the past". 1698797;1502869325;mircea_popescu;stalin is the mechanism whereby you turn a herd of dumbass hervbivores into a smaller, leaner, industrial nation. yes it comes right out of the peasants' famine duh. where the fuck is it going to come out of, outer space ? bacon meteors from the kuipier belt, nice and crispy by the time they land ? 1698798;1502869333;BingoBoingo;Just evils of the "past expiration date" related to the Oldgendered 1698799;1502869367;mircea_popescu;the "evils of the past" are by turns the scalpel, the chisel, the enema bag... the patient doesn't need the scalpel yet so it's evil of the past. then later needs it, no longer needs the enema, now THAT is evil of the past. on it goes. 1698800;1502869389;BingoBoingo;5 Cents to the Dollar! 1698801;1502869397;mircea_popescu;right. 1698802;1502869466;mircea_popescu;and all this "learning" bullshit. you can spend the rest of your life at the new york public library, you'll never manage to "learn" yourself into this position whereby sticking your cock into whatever woman you choose won't produce a random kid come out nine months later. 1698803;1502869488;mircea_popescu;so no, the need to beat, kill, maim, rape, the NEED to violence ain't going fucking away just because naggum gave himself hypermetropia. 1698804;1502869617;mircea_popescu;there's nothing there to learn, in this sense. if you got a bunch of ideologically-coherent tards that are out of touch with reality, be them pantsuits in 2017 us or peasants in 1917 russia you bring out the biofermenters. there's nothing else, misalligned ideological coherence is === biofermenters. 1698805;1502869625;mircea_popescu;not even a matter of "avoidable", they're THE SAME THING. 1698806;1502869720;BingoBoingo;And WTF is this German Nazi fixation USG stooges keep trying to sell through their COINTELPROs? What's wrong with Redneck Pride? (other than appealing to the market?) 1698807;1502869761;mircea_popescu;i expect the probloem with "nazi" is cachet. so much hurr durr-ing has been invested into the whole "nazi=bad" that the "nazi=important" angle is bound to be used by some schmuck trying to "make it up there fast". 1698808;1502869775;mircea_popescu;this is the problem with advertising, it doesn't matter what you say at all, just that you say it lots. 1698809;1502869793;mircea_popescu;advertising "hitler is bad" can't be anything more or anything besides a global "hitler is important". 1698810;1502869920;BingoBoingo;Eh, it doesn't really have the "Identity Politics" click with rural palefaces that "ThugLyfe" has for the other side. 1698811;1502869958;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, usians are about as nazi as they're aztec. or hittite. srsly now, there's 0 relation. 1698812;1502870016;mircea_popescu;let's for isntance compare the tired victorian-baroque that'd pass for "Grand Style" if you could get them to sit still enough to consider aesthetics to the very german art deco that actual nazism was all about. 1698813;1502870072;mircea_popescu;really, there's no more connection between the two than between some illyrian woman raped on a riverbank two centuries ago and then given a pair of earrings and the boyfriend-girlfriend couple of today who made "passionate love" after finding the same pair of earrings and adorning her with them. 1698814;1502870090;mircea_popescu;s/centuries/millennia. 1698815;1502870142;mircea_popescu;in illyrian illustrations, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0f3fd0328cf0edc682e7b7ad485fdeb6/tumblr_o3g0kjafMt1uhih7ho1_500.gif 1698816;1502870303;*;mircea_popescu firmly believes that "mortuary homes" or however you call the things are pretty much the definitive illustriation of north american native taste. there's square miles of the things somewhere in mass, totally worth a field trip. 1698817;1502870879;BingoBoingo;Right. Hence the USG cartoon pencil used by sanctioned stooges. There's always more mortuary brass. Still for the actually deciding to be dissident there's a little bit of identity to hook into http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/ 1698818;1502870923;mircea_popescu;the problem is that there doesn't seem any genuine desire to exist. 1698819;1502870980;mircea_popescu;teh original nazis were all about will-to-live and so on. usians want to eat, and to not hurt. there's snails with stronger libidos, and a people happy to build mcmansions privately and the brutalist abominations publicly can't possibly have any serious investment in ontology. 1698820;1502871593;BingoBoingo;Well, it's "white trash" identity and NOT nazi for a reason 1698821;1502871601;mircea_popescu;i guess,\ 1698822;1502871628;BingoBoingo;Pointedly NOT great, but... can't extinguish all the refus 1698823;1502871635;BingoBoingo;*refuse 1698824;1502871653;mircea_popescu;unless, of course, stalin shows up. 1698825;1502871685;BingoBoingo;AHA, A stalin need plenty of fuel to burn 1698826;1502871800;BingoBoingo;Trump.S.S.R. 1698827;1502872180;mircea_popescu;heh 1698828;1502885374;shinohai; Good morning, #trilema. This is a reminder that all sluts should have their annual asshole sounding performed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHUIkTwXUAQnj4Q.jpg 1698829;1502892850;shinohai;!!up r0nin- 1698830;1502892850;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1698831;1502893339;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F1ED5F9D4B2AF299C23329206CB58D4C01D46AB6B49CE687D609BE1E707B0745 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.153 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.153 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown EG) 1698832;1502893339;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU) 1698833;1502893339;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E17BC3E38DABD1C91A27D226FC57B2ACFEB88E913F4D218985717FDD514FB934 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.16.255.60 (ssh-rsa key from 123.16.255.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static.vnpt.vn. VN 64) 1698834;1502893339;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F1ED5F9D4B2AF299C23329206CB58D4C01D46AB6B49CE687D609BE1E707B0745 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3106...8249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.153 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.153 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown EG) 1698835;1502893354;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698796 << i assumed he was speaking of socialisms as a whole 1698836;1502893354;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 07:41 mircea_popescu: the only problem with rthis view being that there's no such thing as "evils of the past". 1698837;1502893537;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698804 << cheap and continuous hygiene is a fine alternative to grandiose and very expensive periodic exterminator calls 1698838;1502893537;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 07:46 mircea_popescu: there's nothing there to learn, in this sense. if you got a bunch of ideologically-coherent tards that are out of touch with reality, be them pantsuits in 2017 us or peasants in 1917 russia you bring out the biofermenters. there's nothing else, misalligned ideological coherence is === biofermenters. 1698839;1502893551;asciilifeform;( consider, why was ru awash in moo-moos to begin with ? ) 1698840;1502893617;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698807 << 'root password to the constitution' or what was it the '90s schmucks said 1698841;1502893617;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 07:49 mircea_popescu: i expect the probloem with "nazi" is cachet. so much hurr durr-ing has been invested into the whole "nazi=bad" that the "nazi=important" angle is bound to be used by some schmuck trying to "make it up there fast". 1698842;1502893709;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698809 << hitler is entirely central to the post-1945 'world order' , far more so than he ever was to own attempted empire 1698843;1502893709;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 07:49 mircea_popescu: advertising "hitler is bad" can't be anything more or anything besides a global "hitler is important". 1698844;1502893754;mod6;mornihn 1698845;1502893758;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1698846;1502893812;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj 1698847;1502897044;asciilifeform;mod6: in other moar-readables, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CyfVL/?raw=true 1698848;1502897090;asciilifeform;^ similar mechanisms are moved to sit near one another, such that fewer 'brain cycles' are spent 1698849;1502897911;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1698850;1502897928;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4297.15, vol: 14581.58959408 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4295.0, vol: 38774.20214847 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4314.670506, vol: 16793.21610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4310.0, vol: 8196.30357891 | Volume-weighted last average: 4301.18576939 1698851;1502897928;asciilifeform;goxlag archipelag! 1698852;1502897935;shinohai;!~echo [ticker --high --market btcc] [ticker --low --market btcc] 1698853;1502897937;jhvh1;4347.54 4044.258 1698854;1502899199;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks for posting 1698855;1502899231;asciilifeform;mod6: interestingly, this ver is ~slower~ ( by about 3% ) than the 'classical' 1698856;1502899257;asciilifeform;and i've found gprof entirely useless in answering the q of why. 1698857;1502899299;asciilifeform;in fact it is difficult to think of a more malignantly inept piece of everyday gcc userland, than gprof 1698858;1502899318;mod6;hmm. so let's say, for instance, that you figure out how to make the 2^n version the same as the 64 width classic version -- performance-wise. 1698859;1502899319;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1648106 << see also. 1698860;1502899319;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 16:05 phf: gprof interrupts the program every few ms and saves the backtrace, the whole family is called "sampling profilers" because it only knows of functions that it saw during the interrupt. functions with runtime < interrupt ms show up with wrong estimates 1698861;1502899333;asciilifeform;mod6: it was supposed to be an automatic win, peformancewise 1698862;1502899346;mod6;right. i recall. 1698863;1502899388;mod6;my question is then; with regards to the tmsr-rsa rough-sketch spec, do we then entertain the idea of other key-lengths, no just 4096 as currently outlined? 1698864;1502899396;asciilifeform;mod6: i'm partial to 8192. 1698865;1502899401;mod6;mircea_popescu ^ 1698866;1502899435;asciilifeform;imho using anything less than the longest rsa key you can physically get away with on the hardware of your time, is simply nonsensical -- like using smaller bullet on enemy than you strictly must 1698867;1502899441;mod6;asciilifeform: ok. just was more curious than anything if we're still flexible here. 1698868;1502899443;asciilifeform;( recall the 5.56mm thread ) 1698869;1502899463;asciilifeform;mod6: i have no intention of introducing magicnumberism . 1698870;1502899492;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698385 << see also. 1698871;1502899492;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 21:41 asciilifeform: and this also means as few 'magic numbers' as it is physically possible to get away with. 1698872;1502899515;mod6;make sense. i personally kinda like the idea that a user can generate a key, that must be 2^n, that is all. 1698873;1502899525;asciilifeform;we aren't even speaking of the key here ! 1698874;1502899526;mod6;so 4160 can work, etc. 1698875;1502899529;asciilifeform;but of ffa register width 1698876;1502899541;shinohai;But latest trilema states: " 2048 keys are too short. 8192 keys are too long. Keys of a length that's not a power of two are no good. RSA keys are 4096 bits and that's the end of the story." 1698877;1502899548;mod6;ah, sorry to conflate, yes. width. 1698878;1502899548;asciilifeform;it doesn't impact the type of key you can use !! 1698879;1502899575;asciilifeform;you can generate a 6666-bit key. but you would need a 8192b invocation of ffa. 1698880;1502899607;asciilifeform;( and it will spend a somewhat larger portion of time pushing zeroes around ) 1698881;1502899617;mod6;sure 1698882;1502899674;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj << Here's one https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/shunned-by-godaddy-and-google-racist-daily-stormer-moves-to-russian-domain/ 1698883;1502899675;*;mod6 goes off to read the latest ffa update, 1698884;1502899685;asciilifeform;at any rate, i'm not sold on the 2^n thing as of yet -- it doesn't seem to win at all, other than (possibly) on readability 1698885;1502899692;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ty 1698886;1502899844;asciilifeform;but in vintage hashfunction lulz, http://archive.is/UGtoi 1698887;1502899862;BingoBoingo;From wonkypedia >> "Anglin's location is not known. An investigative article by The Huffington Post in November 2016 analyzed his social media and FBI sources, and concluded that he was living in Germany. Rumors have also placed him residing in Russia.[8] In July 2017 Anglin told CNN he was residing in Lagos, Nigeria.[12]" 1698888;1502899912;asciilifeform;whossat 1698889;1502900048;BingoBoingo;The Daily DNS Change guy 1698890;1502900059;asciilifeform;yes but why to care 1698891;1502900113;asciilifeform;if there were some ameritards that DIDN'T sum to 0, from waco to oregon to fuckingbmore to wherever -- i'd like to hear about this 1698892;1502900113;BingoBoingo;Well, the "unknown location" bsns smells of stoogery 1698893;1502900116;asciilifeform;so far 0 1698894;1502900160;ben_vulpes;(http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-12#181354 << was me, btw, forgot to say until now) 1698895;1502900160;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-12 20:28 ben_about: car mowdown very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-12#1697197 1698896;1502900167;asciilifeform;so far all i see of subj is 'unknown derp , switched to tor, NOW HE'LL SHOW'EM ' etc 1698897;1502900170;asciilifeform;snoar 1698898;1502900183;asciilifeform;ohai ben_vulpes 1698899;1502900188;ben_vulpes;allo asciilifeform 1698900;1502900298;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eDUdv/?raw=true 1698901;1502900552;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4D9C573E9AE0801766BB4D4FA2026110E40D17233636AD6DF205459A40F5ED4F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1449...1037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.81.143.60 (ssh-rsa key from 212.81.143.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.globaltac.net. ES MD M) 1698902;1502900552;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4D9C573E9AE0801766BB4D4FA2026110E40D17233636AD6DF205459A40F5ED4F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1451...4207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.81.143.60 (ssh-rsa key from 212.81.143.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.globaltac.net. ES MD M) 1698903;1502900584;asciilifeform;'CLOUD PUBLICO, DEDICADO e HIBRIDO' 1698904;1502900585;asciilifeform;'MAS DE 15 AÑOS DE EXPERIENCIA AL SERVICIO DE LA EMPRESA' 1698905;1502900587;asciilifeform;didjaknow!! 1698906;1502901021;asciilifeform;mod6: brute force ( comment lines & time ) profiling shows that the thing spends 30+% of its life inside W_Mul 1698907;1502901043;asciilifeform;and most of the remainder, doing addition 1698908;1502901123;mod6;hmm. ok. 1698909;1502901172;BingoBoingo;tyvm ben_vulpes 1698910;1502901232;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/alt-left-pantsuits-escalate-symbolically-without-risking-physical-confrontation/ << Qntra - Alt-Left Pantsuits Escalate Symbolically Without Risking Physical Confrontation 1698911;1502901293;shinohai;BingoBoingo: s/hero's/heroes/ 1698912;1502901314;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ty, my bad 1698913;1502901655;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2AFCEED97624DB4B3A06FB911AEDA43C889E5AE030D8A7D12B86C9495CB51E66 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1485...7549 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.215.198.20 (ssh-rsa key from 82.215.198.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host-20.datariina.com. FI) 1698914;1502901655;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2AFCEED97624DB4B3A06FB911AEDA43C889E5AE030D8A7D12B86C9495CB51E66 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1564...7913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.215.198.20 (ssh-rsa key from 82.215.198.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host-20.datariina.com. FI) 1698915;1502901867;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/149Er/?raw=true 1698916;1502901867;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1698917;1502901897;*;shinohai congratulates ben_vulpes on his submission + the speed of wotpaste 1698918;1502902434;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698905 << the orcs make very good pantsuits, their whole mental existence was predicated on empty words in the first place anyway. 1698919;1502902434;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 16:23 asciilifeform: didjaknow!! 1698920;1502902480;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698828 << that'd seem to be the wrong hole then 1698921;1502902480;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 12:09 shinohai: Good morning, #trilema. This is a reminder that all sluts should have their annual asshole sounding performed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHUIkTwXUAQnj4Q.jpg 1698922;1502902499;*;shinohai wishes he had enough votes to get this renamed "Pantsuit Parkway" http://archive.is/u4yUb 1698923;1502902507;mircea_popescu;!!up valica 1698924;1502902507;deedbot;valica voiced for 30 minutes. 1698925;1502902512;mircea_popescu;who are you again valica ? 1698926;1502902545;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698835 << no, i am certain he is specifically NOT speaking of socialism, but strictly of stalin. ie, "socialism would have worked if only" argument implied. 1698927;1502902545;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 14:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698796 << i assumed he was speaking of socialisms as a whole 1698928;1502902621;mircea_popescu;!!up valica_ 1698929;1502902622;deedbot;valica_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1698930;1502902724;valica_;i am a reader of trilema 1698931;1502902739;mircea_popescu;that's it ? 1698932;1502902785;valica_;read like 10 articles last night :) 1698933;1502902872;mircea_popescu;anything good ? 1698934;1502902938;valica_;yeah it's funny. do you have formal education in cryptography? just curious 1698935;1502902972;mircea_popescu;what do you mean by formal ? "at college" sorta thing ? 1698936;1502902980;valica_;yes 1698937;1502902984;mircea_popescu;i don't. 1698938;1502903018;mircea_popescu;my majors were anthropology and theory of knowledge. 1698939;1502903123;mircea_popescu;what are you in teh regie for ? maths ? 1698940;1502903153;valica_;maths? 1698941;1502903158;valica_;nah. crypto 1698942;1502903177;ben_vulpes;ty shinohai 1698943;1502903190;mircea_popescu;they have a crypto programme ? who's doing it ? 1698944;1502903211;valica_;school's over :) i am just reading on my own 1698945;1502903228;valica_;i am studying security 1698946;1502903247;valica_;https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/sasc 1698947;1502903257;mircea_popescu;yes, but when school's not over, who ie what professor is the lead of this cryptography line ? what's it actually called ? 1698948;1502903275;lobbes;http://qntra.net/2017/08/alt-left-pantsuits-escalate-symbolically-without-risking-physical-confrontation/ << lol. Durham NC also didn't wanna feel left out. But, instead of waiting for heavy machinery, buncha derps ripped it down with a rope while police watched. (Makes you wonder what these statues were made of) >> https://archive.is/mqxKh 1698949;1502903342;valica_;Marios Choudary. Mostly Dan Boneh coursera material, with some side channel bonus courses 1698950;1502903349;mircea_popescu;linked "our site" is password protected and doh. 1698951;1502903354;trinque;I'm sure the jimmy buffet nazis will stop them, lobbes 1698952;1502903398;mircea_popescu;valica_ i suppose this is a fine approach for orc unis, pay some local a few benjies to sit around with the chitlins while they read wikipedia. it took 20 years to progress from calling it an internet cafe to calling it a "lab" 1698953;1502903480;mircea_popescu;valica_ is it all python ? 1698954;1502903535;valica_;mostly yeah. some matlab (power analysis) and some C (openssl lib) 1698955;1502903548;mircea_popescu;holy shit. so, https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/sasc/laboratoare/09 (item 9/10) : "use openssl to decrypt this file". 1698956;1502903565;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is ADVANCED about this windows-user-level intro to "which button to cluck at" ? 1698957;1502903604;mircea_popescu;"your job is to fill in this merkle.py". holy mother of god. 1698958;1502903619;valica_;:) it's just some easy task to force you to type "man openssl" 1698959;1502903643;mircea_popescu;formal education ain't what it used to be ;/ 1698960;1502903683;mircea_popescu;(for the lulz record : that coudary fellow actually has a cambridge phd.) 1698961;1502903707;valica_;it's not perfect, but you can learn something 1698962;1502903730;mircea_popescu;valica_ the problem is not that it's not perfect. it is not perfectible. what you learn through this approach is how to never learn crypto. 1698963;1502903795;valica_;how would you teach crypto then? 1698964;1502903856;*;mircea_popescu 's unformal education in the field nevertheless does include the "suprareal" class at avram iancu highschool, which did include gavra's classes on number theory or participation at mme popoviciu's "itinerant seminary on functionals, approximations and convexity" and so on and so forth. 1698965;1502903887;mircea_popescu;valica_ i would teach crypto as a graduate level item for the top of the class in math and kids from physics who test in. and nobody else. 1698966;1502903901;mircea_popescu;specifically NOT anyone from "computer science". 1698967;1502903933;valica_;we can talk more on this subject, privately sometime 1698968;1502903944;mircea_popescu;we can't talk privately, i don't know you. 1698969;1502903978;valica_;maybe in the future 1698970;1502904005;valica_;math grads are so bad in bucharest (unibuc) 1698971;1502904010;mircea_popescu;are they ? 1698972;1502904014;valica_;damn 1698973;1502904038;mircea_popescu;i suppose the item rolls back to "i wouldn't teach crypto, i'd have to fix undergrad first, get some kids who can do a fucking lim" 1698974;1502904048;asciilifeform;btw: 1698975;1502904052;asciilifeform;!#s boneh 1698976;1502904052;a111;15 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh 1698977;1502904083;*;asciilifeform once met the d00d in saeculum . not impressed. 1698978;1502904141;valica_;i know some math students interested in crypto, one of them worked in a call center 1698979;1502904142;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698957 << this is THE Official philosophy of 'teaching crypto.' aka 'don't homebrew algos!111' 1698980;1502904142;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 17:13 mircea_popescu: "your job is to fill in this merkle.py". holy mother of god. 1698981;1502904169;asciilifeform;aka 'use what holy mother church of schneier put on your place, peon' 1698982;1502904174;asciilifeform;*plate 1698983;1502904230;mircea_popescu;valica_ feel free to link this convo to mr. choudary btw. tell him i have some things to say to him. 1698984;1502904255;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform python, the republic's preferred webdesign postprocessor ? 1698985;1502904262;valica_;i can't. i don't know you 1698986;1502904273;mircea_popescu;valica_ it's all public, you don't have to know me. 1698987;1502904280;mircea_popescu;if he has enough sense to google his name he'll see it anyway. 1698988;1502904293;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: preferred duct tape and chewing gum brand!11 1698989;1502904301;mircea_popescu;ikr. 1698990;1502904323;mircea_popescu;basically they're mostly trying to use python to write makefiles in the manner naggum self-reportedly used lisp to write c. 1698991;1502904351;mircea_popescu;how's flu diana_coman ? 1698992;1502904354;asciilifeform;^ this is done more often than anyone would like to admit 1698993;1502904361;mircea_popescu;!!up diana_coman 1698994;1502904361;deedbot;diana_coman voiced for 30 minutes. 1698995;1502904400;*;asciilifeform entertained by the 'we can talk in private' + 'i can't, i don't know you' combo 1698996;1502904414;mircea_popescu;eh, he's trying to figure out the fence arrangement. 1698997;1502904429;mircea_popescu;!!up valica_ 1698998;1502904430;deedbot;valica_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1698999;1502904437;diana_coman;ugh, flu is sort of running its whole course 1699000;1502904510;valica_;do you have some course material proposal or private business? 1699001;1502904549;mircea_popescu;no, i want to discern whether the guy is a working mind accidentally stuck in the swamp of nonsense, or actually belongs there. 1699002;1502904610;mircea_popescu;when i was about six or so, visiting some relatives who had a farm, i discovered a romanian bareneck (kind of chicken) chick drowning in the sty efflux. so i picked it out, and it was a pet for a year or so and then made a great soup. rooster, too. 1699003;1502904616;mircea_popescu;this experience has visibly marked me. 1699004;1502904790;lobbes;trinque, lol. "Thats it, we're sending you lot to Mengele's Margaritaville! Its got, yknow, swastica napkins and shit. " 1699005;1502904828;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at "blondes prefer blacks" farms, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1a7dd6fdaecc66e186cada47a345ee7e/tumblr_o0gsz450rp1ubgc5jo1_1280.jpg 1699006;1502904862;ben_vulpes;looool 1699007;1502904867;mircea_popescu;ehehehe 1699008;1502904908;mircea_popescu;sorry, all the chicken talk got me thinking. 1699009;1502904929;asciilifeform;!#s a pig like that 1699010;1502904931;a111;3 results for "a pig like that", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=a%20pig%20like%20that 1699011;1502904954;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: hey does that one have a face? 1699012;1502904975;mircea_popescu;actually face looks male dunnit ? 1699013;1502904975;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: notrly 1699014;1502904984;shinohai;Article in NY Times today says black person responsible for the creation of Jack Daniels, leaving me to wonder how long before it starts showing up in rap videos. 1699015;1502905025;ben_vulpes;now i want fried chicken 1699016;1502905030;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/366023/VIDEO-Two-legged-pig-learns-to-walk-using-only-his-front-limbs << the sauce for the pig like that. 1699017;1502905076;asciilifeform;lol 1699018;1502905089;mircea_popescu;tru story. 1699019;1502905137;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698962 << asciilifeform once took a course almost exactly like the one described, quit in disgust mid way through 1699020;1502905137;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 17:15 mircea_popescu: valica_ the problem is not that it's not perfect. it is not perfectible. what you learn through this approach is how to never learn crypto. 1699021;1502905182;mircea_popescu;it's mindboggling, you know ? "run openssl" "and if i don't have it ?" "download it then!" "And if i'm on a deserted island ?" "well then you can't crypto!" "sa moara ma-ta ?" 1699022;1502905247;asciilifeform;'water comes from tap' 'food, from store' 'mains current, from socket' 'crypto, from ssl' etc 1699023;1502905261;mircea_popescu;makes you wonder how openssl was written in the first place, seeing how they had no openssl at the time. 1699024;1502905278;mircea_popescu;"you wouldn't download a car ?" "why not ?!?!" "because nobody made one" "oh... i guess gotta wait then." 1699025;1502905292;asciilifeform;the q of 'what am i paying this idiot to mumble at me for, then, i already knew where mains socket is' never seems to come up in victim's head 1699026;1502905313;mircea_popescu;problem is large section of pop doesn't know, i guess. 1699027;1502905413;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699000 << fwiw ffa is nearly a self-contained crypto textbook in itself 1699028;1502905413;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 17:28 valica_: do you have some course material proposal or private business? 1699029;1502905443;mircea_popescu;"for the rabbi, whole world is torah. for the ewe however, whole world is grass." 1699030;1502905453;asciilifeform;and i've thought about offering the commented code as dead tree for aficionados 1699031;1502905466;mircea_popescu;offer it as blog article for now. 1699032;1502905485;mircea_popescu;heck, ffa ~should~ probably be distributed as literate code. 1699033;1502905488;asciilifeform;well it will live in the vgenesis, fg-style 1699034;1502905495;mircea_popescu;let it be 2mb long for 200 loc. 1699035;1502905531;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698837 << in this, as in all cases. except periodic hygiene means taking woman's baby and crushing its skull against a rock now and again. which is to say : hygiene cost is personal, culling cost is socialized. guess what "individual" "agents" are going to choose ? (support material : 1699036;1502905531;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 14:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698804 << cheap and continuous hygiene is a fine alternative to grandiose and very expensive periodic exterminator calls 1699037;1502905553;mircea_popescu;damn... hey asciilifeform wtf was that article explaining the problem of socializing the costs of communication by never providing negative reinforcement ? 1699038;1502905557;mircea_popescu;!!up valica 1699039;1502905557;deedbot;valica voiced for 30 minutes. 1699040;1502905573;mircea_popescu;valica make yourself a pgp key if you don't have one an' register it with deedbot so i don't have to keep voicing oyu 1699041;1502905594;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was at the very least in naggum 1699042;1502905603;asciilifeform;the one re noobs iirc 1699043;1502905603;mircea_popescu;trilema item i can't find ;/ 1699044;1502905945;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the pits, http://archive.is/DiM7l >> gavinists proclaim phorqwarz at block 494784 1699045;1502905968;mircea_popescu;18k away ? 1699046;1502906015;mircea_popescu;that's like... 100 days sorta thing ? why exactly, have they decided the whole thing coming out of the previous attempts was the brief interval of "confusion" before being stomped and so trying to maximize that ? 1699047;1502906031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/ << found it. 1699048;1502906048;asciilifeform;aah 1699049;1502906083;mircea_popescu;so : yes, personal hygiene better than periodic holocaust. nevertheless, personal hygiene gotta be done personally whereas "niste copii au venit de la alt bloc" can do the holocausting. 1699050;1502906212;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698842 << aha. i expect stalin is rolling in grave and mao is looking dourly on. 1699051;1502906212;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 14:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698809 << hitler is entirely central to the post-1945 'world order' , far more so than he ever was to own attempted empire 1699052;1502906325;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698863 << no. 1699053;1502906325;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 16:03 mod6: my question is then; with regards to the tmsr-rsa rough-sketch spec, do we then entertain the idea of other key-lengths, no just 4096 as currently outlined? 1699054;1502906344;mircea_popescu;and specifically re 8192 : if you use that, all the crypto operations take twice as long. this is a certain cost. 1699055;1502906346;BingoBoingo; that's like... 100 days sorta thing ? why exactly, have they decided the whole thing coming out of the previous attempts was the brief interval of "confusion" before being stomped and so trying to maximize that ? << This is Barry Sillybert's stunt 1699056;1502906389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: parallelizes linearly, if one is impatient. 1699057;1502906399;asciilifeform;( specifically karatsuba's 3 prongs, are independent ) 1699058;1502906408;mircea_popescu;in exchange you get two things : you get 2x the size of message blocks (an advantage that is actually a disadvantage as now you're using 1kb udp packets which is i expect margionalkly worse than 2 512s) ; and you get a harder rsa (an advantage which is no sort of advantage, the 4096 rsa is already harder than the extant universe) 1699059;1502906431;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but still twice the work, however space-time negotiated. 1699060;1502906451;asciilifeform;the udp thing is the 1 painful procrusting re 4096 1699061;1502906477;mircea_popescu;the argument for not using 2048 is already very far fetched ("but what if someone makes a computer the size of our galaxy, WHAT THEN!) 1699062;1502906491;mircea_popescu;but the argument for "4096 is not enough" can not be constructed. 1699063;1502906492;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: isn't the only argument 1699064;1502906496;mircea_popescu;lemme hear ? 1699065;1502906498;asciilifeform;the other argument is impact of leaked bits. 1699066;1502906509;mircea_popescu;if you leak bits fix the leak don't make the pipe thicker eh. 1699067;1502906532;mircea_popescu;this is the wrong side of the exponential and i dun wanna eat it. 1699068;1502906557;asciilifeform;conceivable that all rsa signatures leak fractions of a bit of key. 1699069;1502906570;mircea_popescu;gpg conceivable, tmsr not conceivable. 1699070;1502906575;asciilifeform;mno 1699071;1502906582;asciilifeform;rsa per se. 1699072;1502906590;mircea_popescu;signature = unpadded decryption. 1699073;1502906597;asciilifeform;i'll rephrase -- no one has proven that publishing an rsa sig does not leak >0 info re key. 1699074;1502906610;mircea_popescu;let us consider the proper signature scheme for a moment here ? 1699075;1502906708;asciilifeform;ok.. 1699076;1502906822;mircea_popescu;so, you publish a number S, and a pubkey P. the verification consists of doing S ^ P.e and checking that it is equal to the hash of the proposed message mod P.N 1699077;1502906952;mircea_popescu;check ? 1699078;1502906957;asciilifeform;aha 1699079;1502906987;asciilifeform;( though i will nitpick, and point out that the exponentiations are ~always~ done modularly , otherwise universe not bigenuff ) 1699080;1502907025;mircea_popescu;and so the proposition here is that WHILE rsa encryption does not leak bits, nevertheless rsa signing does ? 1699081;1502907032;mircea_popescu;or are you proposing they both leak ? 1699082;1502907036;asciilifeform;encryption?! 1699083;1502907051;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1699084;1502907055;mircea_popescu;they're the same damned op lol. 1699085;1502907071;asciilifeform;how do you leak something that you don't have 1699086;1502907080;asciilifeform;well no 1699087;1502907089;asciilifeform;sig gives you a novel fact re the private exponent 1699088;1502907100;mircea_popescu;not moreso than encryption does! 1699089;1502907109;mircea_popescu;you know for a fact the encrypted text will be decryptable by the key, yes ? 1699090;1502907113;mircea_popescu;so there, "a novel fact" 1699091;1502907166;mircea_popescu;by encrypting "hola bro" to alf's key and getting $result, i now know a novel fact about alf's key! 1699092;1502907209;asciilifeform;this output doesn't contain anything you did not already know on demand tho 1699093;1502907254;mircea_popescu;yes, but my point here is that it is perhaps a defensible heuristic, but not defensible reasoning, to expect that just because p, q and p*q are coupled in that manner, any application to do with their coupling therefore informs you as to p or q. 1699094;1502907284;asciilifeform;will note that there are other ( noncryptographic ) ways to leak bitz 1699095;1502907289;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1699096;1502907304;mircea_popescu;which is why we're putting all this crazy effort into proper rsa, ffa etc. 1699097;1502907322;mircea_popescu;because expensive as it may be, it is WAY the fuck cheaper to make good pipe than to make thicker pipe to cover for all the leaks due to it being shitty pipe. 1699098;1502907339;asciilifeform;good pipe is - sadly - still finitely good. 1699099;1502907339;mircea_popescu;(honestly me thought the above is the tacit understanding at the base of the effort) 1699100;1502907362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but good pipe is finitely good ^ 1 whereas tick pipe is expensive to the ^ n. 1699101;1502907372;mircea_popescu;so if you're gonna plug, plug the right end of funnel. 1699102;1502907441;asciilifeform;sorta why i put the effort into crafting a demonstrably bug-free constantimetron, first thing, rather than 'let's use gnu gmp with massive keyz' 1699103;1502907447;mircea_popescu;right. 1699104;1502907462;asciilifeform;but imho 'better to be rich and healthy, than poor and diseased' 1699105;1502907469;mircea_popescu;so it being the fundamental reasoning, it's ok to have it explicit, but implicit or explicit it ain't gonna budge. 1699106;1502907473;mircea_popescu;if you leak, fix leak. 1699107;1502907508;asciilifeform;1 problem is that it is not actually possible on stock x86pc to not leak power differential. 1699108;1502907523;mircea_popescu;very possible, just don't throw away your old car batteries. 1699109;1502907529;asciilifeform;( adding 0+0 still uses slightly different current than maxint+maxint ) 1699110;1502907629;asciilifeform;other problem is that there is a small but finite probability of misfires in rsatron , such that would leak a bit. 1699111;1502907651;asciilifeform;and little enough is know re reliability of current liquishit hardware, that will not propose to calculate it. 1699112;1502907655;mircea_popescu;if you believe that, the correct solution is to change keys, not to make all the keys randomly thicker. 1699113;1502907666;asciilifeform;not all keys are practical to change. 1699114;1502907675;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu of all people knows this. 1699115;1502907690;mircea_popescu;but that is practical to the power ^1, whereas thicker keys expensive to ^ of n. 1699116;1502907702;asciilifeform;( consider, if changing keys were painless, we could use lamport's method ) 1699117;1502907703;mircea_popescu;if THAT isn't practical, then sure as fuck larger keys aren't practical. 1699118;1502907727;asciilifeform;actually thicker keys are expensive to n*log(n) 1699119;1502907732;mircea_popescu;understand asciilifeform : if you can't afford to buy a house in cash, this means YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE HOUSE. period. go sleep under the fucking bridge. and no, the fact that you ~could~ get a mortgage pay monthly DOES NOT!!!! make it now possible. 1699120;1502907744;mircea_popescu;if you can't afford the house, you can even less afford the mortgage. 1699121;1502907760;*;asciilifeform dun follow the analogy 1699122;1502907806;mircea_popescu;which is what's contemplated here. "oh, changing keys (ie, buying house) is impractical. therefore, let us take out mortgage (pay a little evert time we use key), because it's less affordable but more accessible and the woman is too dumb to understand the difference and we're too castrated to not let her run the household) 1699123;1502907830;asciilifeform;will point out that 8192+ only seems expensive because x86 is pessimized for it 1699124;1502907848;mircea_popescu;no, it's expensive because, mathematically. 1699125;1502907870;asciilifeform;we're scooping out a swimming pool with a teaspoon 1699126;1502907881;asciilifeform;every time we rsa 1699127;1502907883;mircea_popescu;the point remains : if what you are saying it's not practical to change keys (ie, that the per-op value add of key is less than the per-op value lost to suspected leak) THEN therefore what you are saying is "rsa is not worth using" 1699128;1502907890;mircea_popescu;and in no case "rsa would be worth using with longer keys" 1699129;1502907896;mircea_popescu;it would be... LESS worth using. 1699130;1502907933;asciilifeform;mno. observation was re concrete cases where it is impractical to change a key. say, the parasitic radio item. 1699131;1502907935;mircea_popescu;now, the above is an opinion you or anyone is welcome to hold, like any other opinion. i however don't hold it. 1699132;1502907936;asciilifeform;or cemented pogo, etc. 1699133;1502907941;asciilifeform;anythign that runs from rom. 1699134;1502907948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they can be replaced like any other man made item. 1699135;1502907967;asciilifeform;'we have no irreplaceables here' -- stalin 1699136;1502907973;mircea_popescu;ie, currently they don't exist. later on, they will. later still, they'll break. laterer yet they'll be replaced. 1699137;1502907974;asciilifeform;it isn't untrue. but replacing worlds has cost. 1699138;1502907979;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as man-made transcendent. 1699139;1502908006;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, and that's the discussion here. if it's costly in excess of utility then the WHOLE thing is broken, and "fixes" in the sense contemplated merely further the breakage. 1699140;1502908013;asciilifeform;it dun make the people who used 2-digit years in rom code, any less stoopid 1699141;1502908019;asciilifeform;or the ones who put win95 in roms 1699142;1502908033;mircea_popescu;this is debatable, but also not so related. 1699143;1502908061;mircea_popescu;the "two digit year" thing is incomparable to the 4096 bit thing, because the 4096 bit thing is backed by "the whole universe, if it set to computing, still wouldn't EVER get even close to breaking a key". 1699144;1502908065;asciilifeform;the cost of swapping out the nonsense will easily exceed that of, e.g., vietnam war 1699145;1502908065;asciilifeform;( recall the winxp battleship etc ) 1699146;1502908073;mircea_popescu;whereas 2 digit year is based on "we never heard of last century" 1699147;1502908115;asciilifeform;i dunno why mircea_popescu is defending a figure that came from wholly arbitrary, rather than natural, constraint ( 'what is fast on a uniprocessor x86 box' == 4096 ) 1699148;1502908119;mircea_popescu;in any case, entirely incomparable items. yes, people do dumb shit all the time. but this doesn't mean people doing the right thing should do it once and wear a vest "to make sure". 1699149;1502908142;asciilifeform;4096 did not fall from sky, no. and 10y ago it 'equalled' 2048. 1699150;1502908144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because it finds itself at a natural cutoff. 1699151;1502908154;mircea_popescu;4096 is the largest power of two which makes a key that is incomputable. 1699152;1502908156;mircea_popescu;literally. 1699153;1502908177;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it never equalled 2048, no. 1699154;1502908233;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this argument is not false, but ignores noncryptoanalytic breaks 1699155;1502908242;asciilifeform;incl. singlebit misfires. 1699156;1502908280;mircea_popescu;but there shall never be a systematic solution for tactical failure. 1699157;1502908285;asciilifeform;( for reference : leaking 1/4 of your privkey is fatal; 10-20% -- you're breakable in polynomial time with large -- how large is unknown -- constant factor ) 1699158;1502908309;asciilifeform;unknow publicly, at any rate. 1699159;1502908316;asciilifeform;*unknown 1699160;1502908318;mircea_popescu;if ~you~, joe, leak bits, then you, joe, are responsible, and you, joe, pay for the fix. not the fucking cryptosystem. 1699161;1502908355;asciilifeform;it isn't clear that there is a 'fix'. 1699162;1502908360;mircea_popescu;then fuck you joe. 1699163;1502908363;asciilifeform;in the sense of making the probability 0. 1699164;1502908381;mircea_popescu;to quote that film i reviewed recently, "what do they want for their lousy 35 cents ? to live forever ?" 1699165;1502908389;asciilifeform;that's where i was going, the fuckyou joe, that a 'hot' key may have a finite life. 1699166;1502908399;asciilifeform;that is proportionate to length of key. 1699167;1502908435;mircea_popescu;the way this conversation is going, we can't have children us two until we get the baby room properly furnished and the safest crypto op is one that never finishes. 1699168;1502908465;asciilifeform;i dun see it 1699169;1502908488;asciilifeform;what i see is an elementary '7.62mm is inevitably better than 5.56, if you can afford either' 1699170;1502908490;mircea_popescu;the man who lost 100 bits is the same man who will lose 200 bis. 1699171;1502908534;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is EXACTLY not the case. i am saying "7.62 is sufficient, because it will blow a hole through man, as result of interplay of actual universal constants" and you are saying "yes but 15.2 would be bigger". 1699172;1502908555;asciilifeform;funnily aviation cannon designers had this exact convo! 1699173;1502908562;asciilifeform;and ended up with 30mm and + 1699174;1502908564;mircea_popescu;this is nonsense argument, and in fact they could "afford" both but they don't fucking use both. they use the correctly sized one based on human thickness and wetware bullet refraction properties. 1699175;1502908629;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nevertheless, there is an optimal bullet per target, and nobody makes the calibre twice as big. if not because their mind works enough to understand why not, then because the very sad experience of the nazis illustrates why the fuck not. 1699176;1502908649;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's argument is not even 'we must 8192!!1' but that 4096 is an accidental measure, like the volume of one particular bucket one particular child left on a beach 1699177;1502908668;asciilifeform;on fpga even 32768-bit rsa is as snappy as you could want 1699178;1502908702;asciilifeform;( you use 32768b registers ! ) 1699179;1502908710;mircea_popescu;it is not accidental measure. 1699180;1502908730;mircea_popescu;increasing tank size up to the 4096 bit tank pays off. increasing tank size past 4096 bit tank results in fucking panthers and whatnot. 1699181;1502908738;asciilifeform;ain't as if people were born with 32bit cpu stuffed up their arses, neh 1699182;1502908746;mircea_popescu;4096 is the smallest power of two which produces a rsa key that is, factually, incomputable. 1699183;1502908759;mircea_popescu;this is a sufficient reason to choose that value. 1699184;1502908770;mircea_popescu;alternative candidates have nothing speaking for them. 1699185;1502908821;asciilifeform;it is pretty strange imho to read mircea_popescu operating with the logic of poverty -- '100 horse suffices for standing at red light, why would anyone want a bugatti', '400 sq metres suffices to house a family' -- how is 4096b rsa any different ? 1699186;1502908883;mircea_popescu;beleive it or not this is the logic i use all the time. what, you think rich people get a special science / engineering that works differently ? 1699187;1502908939;mircea_popescu;the ustards tried, with their golden toilets. didn't work out for them. meanwhile irl i still pack the new girls two to an apartment, as per http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/ 1699188;1502908954;asciilifeform;if you were dropping the n00k on soros, would you settle for 'sufficient' 10ktonne, or opt at slightly moar cost for 100mtonne kuzkina mat' if available ? 1699189;1502908961;mircea_popescu;sufficient. 1699190;1502908967;asciilifeform;lolmiser 1699191;1502908981;mircea_popescu;i am not in love with soros what can i tell you. 1699192;1502909021;*;asciilifeform could perhaps qualify as a championship miser if he were richer 1699193;1502909042;mircea_popescu;really, pointless wastage only impresses gypos. 1699194;1502909055;asciilifeform;idea is not to impress, but to cauterize 1699195;1502909065;mircea_popescu;"sufficient" means something. 1699196;1502909084;mircea_popescu;and weaponry is to be used as per fucking manual and design, not obliquely wtf. 1699197;1502909117;asciilifeform;the 'waste' argument would be cogent if we were suffering a drought of cpu cycles somehow. 1699198;1502909127;asciilifeform;for what are they being saved by using undersized rsanuke ? 1699199;1502909128;mircea_popescu;they're still not free. 1699200;1502909137;asciilifeform;all the ones you dun use -- are free 1699201;1502909141;mircea_popescu;and it's not undersized! it's simply not oversized. 1699202;1502909169;asciilifeform;currently it isn't clear to asciilifeform what is the equiv. of the bullet weight ( or other mechanical cost ) here. 1699203;1502909254;*;asciilifeform also entertained that this is almost the exact arg of mircea_popescu an' asciilifeform re mphf, originally, but with the sides reversed 1699204;1502909258;asciilifeform;!!up r0nin- 1699205;1502909259;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1699206;1502909273;r0nin-;hello mircea 1699207;1502909276;mircea_popescu;link ? 1699208;1502909278;mircea_popescu;r0nin- sup 1699209;1502909302;r0nin-;https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2016/09/25/blood-money-digital-fools-gold-and-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics/ 1699210;1502909317;r0nin-;https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/cryptocurrency-as-cuck-finance-or-promises-made-by-pokemon/ 1699211;1502909326;mircea_popescu;o.O 1699212;1502909327;r0nin-;would like your commenting 1699213;1502909329;mircea_popescu;what's that ? 1699214;1502909369;r0nin-;its a critique of crypto 1699215;1502909376;mircea_popescu;did you write it ? 1699216;1502909379;r0nin-;no 1699217;1502909381;asciilifeform;can haz critique of arithmetic also ? 1699218;1502909395;mircea_popescu;eh what the hell. lessee. 1699219;1502909490;asciilifeform;reads like a typical propertard 1699220;1502909498;r0nin-;https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2015/10/29/valuing-nothingness/ 1699221;1502909504;r0nin-;this explains bitcoins 'price' 1699222;1502909505;asciilifeform;'usg bond is better than btc because It Entitles You To' 1699223;1502909512;asciilifeform;didjaknow, mircea_popescu 1699224;1502909521;r0nin-;well he doesnt say that 1699225;1502909531;r0nin-;a USG bond is just a time deposit 1699226;1502909538;r0nin-;its fiat 1699227;1502909543;mircea_popescu;r0nin- re the "entitle", he rehashes (without attribution) a point actually made on trilema back in... 2012. http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/#selection-129.0-129.112 1699228;1502909556;mircea_popescu;r0nin- now, why am i reading some douche who dares opine without having done any reading ? 1699229;1502909569;r0nin-;bitcoin isnt a security 1699230;1502909578;mircea_popescu;you're not doing too well here. 1699231;1502909607;r0nin-;Furthermore, while it is true that Bitcoin may be regarded as an item of value by one or more people, this also is true of the in-game currency of each and every single one game ever released to this date and to be released for the conceivable future. 1699232;1502909610;mircea_popescu;anyway. fellow should read the above linked item and the discussion of causes and purposes, and try again. 1699233;1502909611;r0nin-;thats precisely true 1699234;1502909625;r0nin-;bitcoin is the equivalent of game tokens 1699235;1502909645;asciilifeform;r0nin-: 'also true of in-game currency' did your mother drop you as a baby? or feigning retardation ? 1699236;1502909657;r0nin-;yes 1699237;1502909658;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he;s quoting :D 1699238;1502909680;r0nin-;bitcoin is exactly the same thing as 'in-game currency' 1699239;1502909699;mircea_popescu;r0nin- that end is not the problem. the problem is that usg has no better claim to ontology than a random wow guild. 1699240;1502909725;r0nin-;well i agree, the SEC has zero say with bitcoin because it simply isnt a security 1699241;1502909750;r0nin-;bitcoin is evidence of wasted computational power 1699242;1502909752;asciilifeform;somehow a centralized spamola token that can be magicked into existence in arbirary quantity, is 'same' as bitcoin ? 1699243;1502909758;mircea_popescu;this is generally the problem statists encounter : since their operative definition of government is ideal ("that thing we made") as opposed to real ("that thing which exists") they have trouble understanding how bitcoin can destroy governments while governments can't regulate bitcoin. 1699244;1502909770;r0nin-;asciliform: fiat money IS a security 1699245;1502909773;asciilifeform;i thought the last purveyor of this particular nonsense died in 2010 or so 1699246;1502909784;r0nin-;the total quantity of all fiat money in existence is zero at all times 1699247;1502909786;mircea_popescu;as poer that lulzy http://trilema.com/2017/because-thats-just-how-things-are/ 1699248;1502909793;r0nin-;its just a book keeping entry 1699249;1502909805;r0nin-;someone has negative balance and someone has positive 1699250;1502909809;r0nin-;the total is always zero 1699251;1502909820;mircea_popescu;mmm. 1699252;1502909830;mircea_popescu;what exactly is your experience / exposure level to fiat finance r0nin- ? 1699253;1502909836;r0nin-;its high 1699254;1502909839;mircea_popescu;be specific. 1699255;1502909870;r0nin-;fiat money is just a unit of account for debts, whats so difficult to understand here? claiming you can 'run out of fiat' is like claiming you can run out of 'meters' to measure a room 1699256;1502909882;mircea_popescu;r0nin- if you don't answer the questions you'll end up silenced. 1699257;1502909900;r0nin-;mircea: im a bond trader 1699258;1502909901;ave1;asciilifeform: are you still looking for a non-recursive Karatsuba? or should it wait until it is fully crystalized? 1699259;1502909913;mircea_popescu;r0nin- alright. the claim isn't that the usg printing press will somehow malfunction. 1699260;1502909926;mircea_popescu;but, for the exact some money, the confederacy also hasn't run out of confederate dollars. 1699261;1502909929;r0nin-;the government needs to 'print' 1699262;1502909930;asciilifeform;ave1: it can be made quite trivially from the one i have. but increases complexity and so i have not done this. 1699263;1502909951;ave1;yes, I thought so, I did this and it seems to be the same speed too! 1699264;1502909956;asciilifeform;ave1: it suffices from my pov that i can prove that the thing terminates in W-Threshold shots. 1699265;1502909956;r0nin-;the private sector is a permanent net saver, the government supplies the 'asset' the private sector saves in 1699266;1502909967;r0nin-;a USG bond is just a time deposit 1699267;1502909972;mircea_popescu;r0nin- used to. now, bitcoin supplies that asset, and nobody can recall what the usg was. 1699268;1502909975;asciilifeform;ave1: knuth has a number of examples of 'derecursivizations' 1699269;1502909987;r0nin-;bitcoin doesnt supply the asset becuase bitcoin has no final demand 1699270;1502910006;r0nin-;theres nobody obligated to accept it in payment of anything 1699271;1502910009;mircea_popescu;of course it does. gotta pay your tmsr tax. 1699272;1502910021;r0nin-;what tmsr tax? 1699273;1502910032;mircea_popescu;heh. got reading to do dontcha! 1699274;1502910037;r0nin-;send link 1699275;1502910038;ave1;asciilifeform: Aha, should read Knuth more, I now did it by some thinking about it (and probably most stupid way) 1699276;1502910078;ave1;asciiliform: BTW maybe I missed it but why do comba when L <= 8? does this come from speed testing? 1699277;1502910089;asciilifeform;ave1: basic idea, pretty obvious, you throw param tuples into an array ( of known max length, proportional to # of invocations permitted ) and then iterate over that, using it in place of the familiar stack. 1699278;1502910109;r0nin-;bitcoin is just a rehash of murray rothbards primitive view of money 1699279;1502910112;mircea_popescu;r0nin- http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt 1699280;1502910125;asciilifeform;ave1: indeed it does : on every piece of iron i have, and for every bitness, <= 8 turns out to be the inflection point. 1699281;1502910133;mircea_popescu;r0nin- certainly not. 1699282;1502910151;r0nin-;how isnt it? his ideal form of money was one that swelled in value from other peoples labor 1699283;1502910152;ave1;I did it like so: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6dEzs/?raw=true, but as it is order more complex I would not recommend it 1699284;1502910160;r0nin-;hence permanent deflation 1699285;1502910165;mircea_popescu;labor doesn't enter into this discussion. 1699286;1502910166;r0nin-;except in his day it was gold shekels 1699287;1502910172;asciilifeform;ave1: woah, monstrous 1699288;1502910183;asciilifeform;looks almost bigger than my whole orchestra put together 1699289;1502910188;ave1;asciilifeform: yes it's terrible 1699290;1502910235;ave1;asciilifeform: but it works, and for me was a good way to review karatsuba code 1699291;1502910246;r0nin-;nice pre-amble. so we are advocating liberalism as the ideal ? 1699292;1502910251;mircea_popescu;nope. 1699293;1502910261;r0nin-;that is a liberal pre-amble 1699294;1502910270;mircea_popescu;it is ? 1699295;1502910274;r0nin-;of course 1699296;1502910285;r0nin-;im being 'liberated' from all sovereign and becoming my own soverign 1699297;1502910286;mircea_popescu;i don't see it. is it also a savarin preamble ? 1699298;1502910288;asciilifeform;ave1: it doesn't hurt, to take the thing and play with it, every which way you can. 1699299;1502910290;mircea_popescu;um. 1699300;1502910301;mircea_popescu;i suppose, in that metaphorical sense. 1699301;1502910309;r0nin-;We hold these truths to be self-evident : that no men nor women are created, but born ; that nothing ever is or could be equal to any other thing ; that each man and each woman are sovereign entities and the sole sovereign entities 1699302;1502910317;r0nin-;welcome to 19th century liberalism 1699303;1502910321;mircea_popescu;but, let it be noted that as i was eating a savarine writing it, it chiefly is a savarin preable. 1699304;1502910324;ave1;asciilifeform: I would probably not have thought about the L > 8 test otherwise 1699305;1502910335;asciilifeform;ave1: you might find http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698847 << this reformulation, interesting 1699306;1502910335;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 15:24 asciilifeform: mod6: in other moar-readables, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CyfVL/?raw=true 1699307;1502910368;trinque;r0nin-: there is a distinction between a sovereign person and a sovereign people, eh? 1699308;1502910371;r0nin-;The most pure form of anti-realist value is distilled and concentrated human subjective evaluation: value with no object. The only thing more pure than gold would be nothing at all, but of course even the most ardent anti-realist cannot escape from objective reality. Because he cannot store pure concentrate of human will in a vault, the anti-realist stores gold; because at least as an historical 1699309;1502910371;r0nin-;matter gold is the substance that human beings have most irrationally desired, desired in a way most purely disconnected from objective reality. 1699310;1502910375;r0nin-;replace gold with bitcoin 1699311;1502910397;mircea_popescu;do you have a definition for "anti-realist" ? 1699312;1502910404;r0nin-;yes 1699313;1502910416;mircea_popescu;ah ok then! lol. 1699314;1502910417;mircea_popescu;wtf is it ? 1699315;1502910420;ave1;asciilifeform: thx, I saw it coming by, but was so deed in this try that I did not look yet, (looks nice) 1699316;1502910428;r0nin-;https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/in-the-land-of-lies-every-day-is-opposite-day/ 1699317;1502910428;ave1;*deep 1699318;1502910430;r0nin-;here you go 1699319;1502910468;mircea_popescu;i suppose at this juncture i inquire whether you know what a definition is, and you say yes, and i ask you to define it and you do. go ahead. 1699320;1502910505;asciilifeform;i smell aquinastardism 1699321;1502910512;asciilifeform;dunno if my chemsuit is even rated for that 1699322;1502910521;r0nin-;at the end of the day, bitcoin is a rehash of all the errors of gold except in digital format 1699323;1502910527;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i hear a chorus of slavegirls going "omfg your patience, is inhuman" 1699324;1502910534;asciilifeform;( the linked d00d has a severe case ) 1699325;1502910539;mircea_popescu;r0nin- again, and for teh last time : if you don't answer the questions you will get silenced. 1699326;1502910551;r0nin-;anti-realism is exactly what bitcoin is 1699327;1502910568;mircea_popescu;the quesiton was "i suppose at this juncture i inquire whether you know what a definition is, and you say yes, and i ask you to define it and you do. go ahead." 1699328;1502910603;mircea_popescu;it's not my fault we have a lengthy yearn to unroll here, so take it easy an' help out maybe we get to something useful. 1699329;1502910606;asciilifeform;apparently 'realism' is to trade pieces of paper sanctified with the cuntjuice of the obummer sisters 1699330;1502910629;r0nin-;asciiliforeform: again, those 'pieces of papers' are securities that entitle you to certain rights. 1699331;1502910636;asciilifeform;lol!! 1699332;1502910637;mircea_popescu;a well. 1699333;1502910639;r0nin-;something which bitcoin cannot 1699334;1502910642;mircea_popescu;!!down r0nin- 1699335;1502910659;mircea_popescu;why is intellectual discipline so hard for people anyway. 1699336;1502910661;asciilifeform;rights. didjaknow. 1699337;1502910668;*;mircea_popescu jew-waves. 1699338;1502910677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: catholitards have iron 'discipline' in their chosen glassbeadgame. 1699339;1502910695;mircea_popescu;fucking utf or w/e you call the anime faces bullshit. onl;y actual gesture that's missing from written form, and that's the one they omit. 1699340;1502910702;mircea_popescu;wtf i need a drawing of a smile ? why. 1699341;1502910718;mircea_popescu;i thought rothbard was a catholic dood ? 1699342;1502910722;mircea_popescu;(in the sense contemplated here) 1699343;1502910735;asciilifeform;enough so that i barfed in attempting to read'im 1699344;1502910769;mircea_popescu;well he's unreadable, but anyway, this guy seemed very incensed by him in the strangest of ways : as if what the dood made sense, and he disagreed. 1699345;1502910813;asciilifeform;i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them 1699346;1502910821;asciilifeform;like the romans not knowing of zero 1699347;1502910824;mircea_popescu;(as far as beat cop is concerned, there's a very marked difference between "this guy is a drunk!!" "uh... who is this woman ?" on one hand and "this guy is a drunk!" "oh yeah, well you're a whore!" on the other hand.) 1699348;1502910845;asciilifeform;!!up ave1 1699349;1502910846;deedbot;ave1 voiced for 30 minutes. 1699350;1502910853;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd rather simply ignore the whole "promise" bs on the simple grounds of the cause/purpose dichotomy and be done with it. 1699351;1502910873;asciilifeform;observation was that the folx in question only know of promise 1699352;1502910883;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1699353;1502910912;asciilifeform;they're stuck not merely pre-rsa, but in a sense pre-babylon ( where the clay seals already offered some mechanical guarantee ) 1699354;1502910937;mircea_popescu;i suppose up to a certai npoint a desire to manipulate the future is understandable in animals. 1699355;1502910969;trinque;why'd a religious person want the responsibility of hard crypto anyway. he needs god himself to declare he exists; anything short of that, existential terror. what individual? 1699356;1502910977;asciilifeform;possibly even stuck ~pre-trade~ -- witness the naked assertion that 'usd is king strictly because great inca promised to kill for it' 1699357;1502910981;mircea_popescu;"so what if it does exactly the offices of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698962 ie it splices my brain away from reality into nonsense ?! my brain wasn't all that good in the first place, what's the loss." 1699358;1502910981;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 17:15 mircea_popescu: valica_ the problem is not that it's not perfect. it is not perfectible. what you learn through this approach is how to never learn crypto. 1699359;1502911013;mircea_popescu;hey, there's that bitcoin on todd's head or whoever's ? 1699360;1502911018;*;mircea_popescu forgets. 1699361;1502911097;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu in steppes of ulan batur, 2030, horseman throws a sack at his yurt and speeds away in cloud of dust. inside : a head, and a pay addr scratched on forehead... 1699362;1502911117;mircea_popescu;anyway, this zippy item is apparently the life work of some dedicated individual, who spent years toiling in obscurity. 1699363;1502911137;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at the rate btc is going, 2030 seems way too far out. 1699364;1502911169;asciilifeform;hey, digging up obscure derp from the depths of the refugee camps, could take time!111 1699365;1502911276;asciilifeform;upstack : asciilifeform is still curious whether the assorted goldtards etc actually believe that btc is 'entirely like wowgold' and that some gavin somewhere 'could make moar if we wanted to' on demand 1699366;1502911290;asciilifeform;or whether simply stuck playing pretend, to delay eating nagant when they sit and think 1699367;1502911377;trinque;they'd all vote and the consensus rules would change. what do you think all the derping around that has been? 1699368;1502911507;asciilifeform;vote free-ponies-for-everyone aha 1699369;1502911605;ben_vulpes;everything must be free! 1699370;1502911623;asciilifeform;rights!111 1699371;1502911699;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect the gold people are very subjectively hurt by bitcoin doing what gold "Was supposed to do" and haet. 1699372;1502911717;asciilifeform;that part was pretty obvious 5y ago 1699373;1502911730;mircea_popescu;there's this defense strategy in welfare societies whereby one has among the vast arrays of self-granted options also the option to "disagree" with such things. 1699374;1502911746;mircea_popescu;sort-of how there's old hookers out there who don't agree britney was never anything. 1699375;1502911752;mircea_popescu;or, for the same money, elvis not dead folk. 1699376;1502911788;asciilifeform;the q was how these folx bamboozled themselves into thinking that the obvious problems of physical brick of au , lending naturally to 'paperization', somehow 'did not count' 1699377;1502911803;mircea_popescu;can take way over 5 years. in fact, this demo splice goes out with the demo itself, it's not heal-abl;e from the sony pov. 1699378;1502911827;mircea_popescu;(there's two kinds of fandom rebellion, as far as the producers are concerned. fixable and unfixable. as the latter accumulate franchises die) 1699379;1502911864;mircea_popescu;(hitler/swastica/etc are dead franchises in this sense. they can't advertise with it. though they'd love to.) 1699380;1502911880;asciilifeform;it will be interesting to see how the goldtards etc react to realization that they are willingly powering a heat engine where , e.g., 1 btc is worth several years of their life, and organs 1699381;1502911899;mircea_popescu;this realization can not occur. 1699382;1502911925;asciilifeform;wainot? 1699383;1502911925;mircea_popescu;whole fucking point of goldbuggery is derealization, in the vein of "great old west" cowboy-staring-at-horizon, "Better days" etc. 1699384;1502911938;mircea_popescu;you ever seen who shot liberty vallance ? 1699385;1502911943;asciilifeform;nope 1699386;1502911985;mircea_popescu;a, great film. anyway, summary : dude (ie, inept manchild) and actual cowboy compete for cunt. the cunt is indescribably dumb (really, just mouthpiece for ideological choices of author), picks dude. 1699387;1502912011;*;asciilifeform brb, teatime 1699388;1502912018;mircea_popescu;the cowboy does not sumarily execute the dude, chain the dumb cunt naked to a pole, whip her bloody and have her gang raped by the local mongrels, and so to spend the rest of her life. 1699389;1502912023;mircea_popescu;no, instead he... becomes a gold bug. 1699390;1502912031;mircea_popescu;withdraws in stamp collecting or w/e the fuck it is he does. 1699391;1502912072;mircea_popescu;aka, derealization, the term of art. 1699392;1502912650;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699345 << in retrospect this is likely the underpinning. there's no conception of "there are things that can be said, and there are things that can be done, and these are not the same things" uniting all the efforts of "anti"-bitcoin-because-statist and "anti"-bitcoin-because-i-dunno-what-money-is and "liberals" because niceness and free food! and so on. 1699393;1502912650;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 19:13 asciilifeform: i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them 1699394;1502912702;mircea_popescu;"no sooner said than done" is the constant refrain of the folk tales ruinning through such goodfolk's heads at all times. 1699395;1502913691;asciilifeform;the sufferers almost always turn up to labour under elaborately usgtronic delusions of, e.g., 'their' ( sitting Safely In Their cardboard house or usg.bank box , naturally ) 'gold' ( do they consider melting, or whatever other test ? ) 'belongs' ( until preet says so ) to them... 1699396;1502913755;asciilifeform;whereas btc 'is just bits, and anyone can flip bits to be whatever' 1699397;1502913758;asciilifeform;is the usual thread 1699398;1502913783;asciilifeform;( previously asciilifeform thought that the last 'just bits' idjit ate his '45 some time in 2012, but apparently not ) 1699399;1502914163;asciilifeform;the other observation is that the chukcha's reliance on his 'naked five senses' is absolute -- 'physical object' in his threadbare skullcase always trumps 'insisible' items, 'just number' 1699400;1502914179;asciilifeform;... and later he is very susprised when the beta rays cook his children alive 1699401;1502914202;asciilifeform;*invisible 1699402;1502914371;asciilifeform;but at the same time, all known types of chukcha are happy to bow before ~other~ invisibles, e.g. deer spirit, or 'natural right of property', or whatever idiocy their mother pounded into the head 1699403;1502914403;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is not a sufficiently adroit chukchologist to square this circle... 1699404;1502915009;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is exactly the problem : the sort of orc who opposes pantsuit is 5-senses pashtun. and so always will be. 1699405;1502915034;mircea_popescu;the notion of people smarter than required to make a good pantsuit not subscribing to the narrative is you know, inconceivable. 1699406;1502915119;mircea_popescu;sorta like "kid smart enough to go to college -- isn't". 1699407;1502915127;asciilifeform;'whaddayamean osama had engineering phd and still picked the cave' 1699408;1502915203;mircea_popescu;right. back to the same problem of abstracts. they've not just decided "government" is so and so deductively, leaving no room for inductive falsification. they've decided lots of other things on the same day, and they all go the same way : "the max of any variable is within our purview" 1699409;1502915205;asciilifeform;'whaddayamean you won't eat from the trough' 'not a swine? everybody's a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc 1699410;1502915232;mircea_popescu;they can mentall create "maximal government" by thinking these words, "maximal government", and they stick, because shamanism and symbols coerce reals. 1699411;1502915248;mircea_popescu;then they deduce "since maximal government is definitionally maximal government, therefore bitcoin can't unseat real government". 1699412;1502915280;mircea_popescu;as they lack the ability to correctly recognize the imanence of transcendents and say "well, in order for maximal government to live up to the name it'll have to be bitcoin, rather than usg", they're "safe". 1699413;1502915283;asciilifeform;didn't we have a case of 'if bitcoin worked, They Would Kill It' show up just the other week 1699414;1502915288;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1699415;1502915309;mircea_popescu;see, cuz the simple mind requires fixed point. so it'll pick a fixed point, and name it something, and the hell with everything else. 1699416;1502915321;mircea_popescu;and in this mental model, obviously "if bitcoin matter usg would regulate it". 1699417;1502915326;mircea_popescu;mattered* 1699418;1502915338;asciilifeform;recall the petrol from rocks thing ? 1699419;1502915349;mircea_popescu;and besides -- the "college graduate" rice imbecile gave the solution in case anything blows up : "nobody could have predicted!" 1699420;1502915357;*;asciilifeform was about to say 'how come this has not yet come to usglandia' but then remembered 'renewables' 1699421;1502915370;mircea_popescu;which is exactly correct : nobody who decides to create a fixed point and call it government can possibly predict bitcoin wiping it. this follows from the definitions. 1699422;1502915403;mircea_popescu;anyway, as best i can discern a major problem is that the people who WANT to do something about it are rarely the people who CAN. 1699423;1502915403;asciilifeform;'socialist nonsense will crash and burn on schedule, and They Will Call It Bad Luck' (uncle al) 1699424;1502915424;mircea_popescu;take our r0nin- friend here. he's not actually smart enough to match his typing speed. he'd love to matter. but he doesn't have what with. wut du ?! 1699425;1502915429;mircea_popescu;get really angry and break things!!! 1699426;1502915442;asciilifeform;i dunno, he could go an' do whatever the other folx w/out theorems do 1699427;1502915446;asciilifeform;weed his garden 1699428;1502915448;asciilifeform;pull his cock 1699429;1502915451;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. besides, already happened. "evils of the past" ie stalin, not soviets. 1699430;1502915451;asciilifeform;wax his chevvy 1699431;1502915460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he has a theorem. 1699432;1502915464;mircea_popescu;what he lacks is the other part. 1699433;1502915502;mircea_popescu;you understand, for every fermat solver there's five trillion collectors, like http://trilema.com/2017/on-trisection-a-humble-contribution/ 1699434;1502915507;asciilifeform;i suspect that this type of 'bonsai kitten' is created by the ill-conceived half-education purveyors. as per mircea_popescu's talk at c3 re pediwikians 1699435;1502915537;asciilifeform;trisectors thread aha 1699436;1502915537;mircea_popescu;whores are not created by dope ; bodies are not created by guns ; idiots are not created by public schooling. 1699437;1502915552;mircea_popescu;dope caters to whores ; guns cater to corpses ; public schooliong caters to idiots. 1699438;1502915671;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced that all trisectors are organically tards 1699439;1502915681;mircea_popescu;not a matter of tard. matter of, must be this tall to ride. 1699440;1502915687;asciilifeform;even in this sense 1699441;1502915691;mircea_popescu;people come in random tallnesses, theorems come in random cutoffs. 1699442;1502915704;mircea_popescu;what's he to do if he loves a woman like malena but she needs a man now and he'll be a man in a decade ? 1699443;1502915707;mircea_popescu;seen that film btw ? 1699444;1502915722;asciilifeform;no but recently read the ro trilema re subj - and it is on the list 1699445;1502915751;mircea_popescu;it is the definitive film on one of italian culture's principal obsessions. malizia is not bad in same vein, there are many. 1699446;1502915764;mircea_popescu;the woman is ready to go. the boy wants her. but a boy is not useful and a man he is not yet. 1699447;1502915778;mircea_popescu;it's refined to nuclear strength in that film. 1699448;1502915814;mircea_popescu;and so -- has theorem to prove, hasn't yet grown the tool to prove them with. this is doom, pure and simple. 1699449;1502915873;asciilifeform;there's 2 possible responses to 'i need to move mountain but haven't the muscle' 1699450;1502915880;asciilifeform;one is to retreat into shamanisms 1699451;1502915884;asciilifeform;other -- is to pump muscles 1699452;1502915886;asciilifeform;i.e. discipline. 1699453;1502915906;mircea_popescu;i think the problem is very correctly stated "she is 22 and ovulating and i am 13 and love her". no mountains, no muscles. 1699454;1502915909;asciilifeform;there is no guarantee that pumper will live long enough. but certainly no one lives long enough for the shamanic spells to work either 1699455;1502915930;mircea_popescu;it's not live long enough. is that the girl for you is not interesting and the girl that's interesting is not for you. 1699456;1502915945;mircea_popescu;i told you, doom. in the greekest sense. 1699457;1502915991;asciilifeform;i think nagant comes with 'the girl that's for you, is not interesting, the interesting - not for you' engraved on the barrel 1699458;1502915994;asciilifeform;or sumthing. 1699459;1502916012;mircea_popescu;yup. 1699460;1502916031;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-11#1430089 1699461;1502916031;a111;Logged on 2016-03-11 02:32 mircea_popescu: Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realta fuggivo, da lei, da quelle emozioni, da i sogni, da i ricordi, da tutto. E pensavo che dovevo dimenticare. Ero certo che sarei riuscito a dimenticare. Ma oggi che sono vecchio, che ho consumato banalmente la vita, talchè ho conosciuto tante donne che m'hanno detto "ricordati di me" e io le ho scordate tutte, ancora oggi lei, l'unica che non ho mai dimenticato... Sutakora Sassa! 1699462;1502916075;mircea_popescu;lol scam link. apparently there's an older correct version, 2015s vintage. 1699463;1502922709;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1699464;1502922719;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4309.98, vol: 12700.64127392 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4323.1, vol: 35168.48083258 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4333.345506, vol: 18021.89790000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4337.939, vol: 7744.71405705 | Volume-weighted last average: 4324.90530368 1699465;1502922961;mircea_popescu;dear celestial mommy in charge of government and all things, we thank you for regulating this new pile of dollars into bitcoin's value. amen. 1699466;1502923108;mircea_popescu;let's eat some brocoli and tell some dork we love her in gratitude! 1699467;1502923603;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : iranis ready to back out of obama nuke deal ; and flying chinese drones over us carriers. 1699468;1502923912;ben_vulpes;great again 1699469;1502923914;ben_vulpes;great again 1699470;1502923931;mircea_popescu;you will not repants us! 1699471;1502924081;*;mod6 scrollsback 1699472;1502924455;ben_vulpes;repant, repent, repatriate 1699473;1502926291;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in white chicks cornhole, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4606f5ab1ef687f72a2e47665baa6fd7/tumblr_o2qyr20l271uys2bto1_400.gif 1699474;1502926407;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694226 << lool I would pick the latter. So you have to type out some paths. Doesn't this fall under http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-17#955319 ?? 1699475;1502926407;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 19:13 asciilifeform: if i had to pick b/w not having indoor shitter and not having tab completion, i'd pick the former. 1699476;1502926407;a111;Logged on 2014-12-17 04:11 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't speak for others, but my programming is 90+% read/think and 10% write, timewise 1699477;1502926468;mircea_popescu;he never had to dig a latrine, or carry the 3kg shovel you need to cary to be able to dig a latrine. consequently experience cost of that branch = 0 1699478;1502926483;mircea_popescu;he sometime once did have to type in a path and so the experience cost of that branch > 0. 1699479;1502926493;mircea_popescu;as all the things we don't know about don't exist, the choice is a no brainer yes. 1699480;1502926887;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> dear celestial mommy in charge of government and all things, we thank you for regulating this new pile of dollars into bitcoin's value. amen. << :D 1699481;1502927404;*;trinque has dug, and used 1699482;1502927417;trinque;I'll just say "wasps" and let the imagination fill in the other aspects. 1699483;1502927618;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699477 << gotta wonder how mircea_popescu arrived at this notion. 1699484;1502927618;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 23:34 mircea_popescu: he never had to dig a latrine, or carry the 3kg shovel you need to cary to be able to dig a latrine. consequently experience cost of that branch = 0 1699485;1502927703;asciilifeform;but answer is , digging a hole for 2hrs is sweaty work, but it isn't a thorn in what would otherwise be a flow state, the way missing tab complete is. 1699486;1502927878;asciilifeform;sorta how a kg of shit in your latrine is same as 1.1, but even 10g on your birthday cake is conspicuously sad. 1699487;1502928120;asciilifeform;re shells, lack of completion is the kind of screaming imbecility for which there is no justification-- you're already sitting in front of a machine, it could be doing 100% of the algo-trivial brute work. rather than 90% - worst of both worlds, bulldozer that still leaves you with 2hr of shovel. 1699488;1502930241;danielpbarron;ya but with the toilet you could be sitting ~on~ the machine doing some of that 90% thinking 1699489;1502930435;asciilifeform;i dun follow.. 1699490;1502930554;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the depths of cthonian horrors, https://qualiacomputing.com 1699491;1502930611;asciilifeform;e.g. https://qualiacomputing.com/2015/05/22/how-to-secretly-communicate-with-people-on-lsd/ >> 'About 18 months ago I had a really cool idea: What if we could communicate with people who are high on LSD in such a way that sober people can’t understand?* I call this idea psychedelic cryptography (PsyCrypto for short).' 1699492;1502930615;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1699493;1502930657;asciilifeform;paging gabriel_laddel ! 1699494;1502930663;shinohai;top kek 1699495;1502930665;asciilifeform;( or was it adlai ) 1699496;1502930986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, im not defending random strawman. point was, you have yet to spend 2 hours typing in paths. so no, picking that over latrine is at best figure of speech, and in general simply "discount cost of unlived experience to 0" 1699497;1502931049;asciilifeform;point is that not all 2hrs are created equal 1699498;1502931060;mircea_popescu;this sword could cut both ways. 1699499;1502931153;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/53d4fd7084d33b37d3d9b33d6a9b70e3/tumblr_o2qa8moHWK1u32iy8o1_500.gif << good ass is more than a state of mind. 1699500;1502931245;mod6;badonk 1699501;1502934364;shinohai; https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2P0mVpUUAAwPeJ.jpg <<< moar assets 1699502;1502934604;mod6;nom nom 1699503;1502935118;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698698 << i was incorrect about this 1699504;1502935118;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 03:20 mod6: for the record, i don't have that in my builds either, ignore that mike_c 1699505;1502935123;mod6;phf ^ 1699506;1502935129;mod6;my builds do indeed have this. 1699507;1502935239;mod6;so, when mike_c gets a chance, we'll examine his closely to see if his does indeed exist. and it ~should~. 1699508;1502935502;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rqJZh/?raw=true << for example 1699509;1502935583;asciilifeform;in other noose, how come nobody noticed that we can accumulate the carry in Karatsuba_Term, and ripple it out once instead of 3 times per firing ... 1699510;1502935605;*;mod6 looks 1699511;1502935819;mod6;for i in N'Length .. XM'Length - 1 loop << so you can remove this loop then? 1699512;1502935831;asciilifeform;well no 1699513;1502935838;asciilifeform;it gotta happen once 1699514;1502935847;asciilifeform;at the end of a karatsubaization 1699515;1502935923;asciilifeform;right now it happens 3 times per. 1699516;1502935951;asciilifeform;propagating a 0, 1, or -1 carry/borrow, depending 1699517;1502936057;mod6;Ah, I admit, earlier I didn't have much chance at all to review this. In fact, to wrap my head around the fine points of ffa's more complex routines, takes me some time. 1699518;1502936073;asciilifeform;but instead we can simply let Karatsuba_Term return the carry, and say c1, c2, c3 and in the end we ripple out c1+c2+(-1^subtractenable) . 1699519;1502936087;asciilifeform;dun worry mod6 1699520;1502936088;mod6;I've even had to whiteboard and unroll by hand to grasp some of its mechanics. 1699521;1502936096;asciilifeform;plenty of time to digest . 1699522;1502936129;asciilifeform;there are - by design- no deep maths in ffa. 1699523;1502936174;mod6;Indeed, this is by design. But to ensure that I grok /exactly/ what it's doing, I am compelled to do by hand. 1699524;1502936200;asciilifeform;it also can be helpful to instrument the proggy and let it barf 1699525;1502936207;asciilifeform;see the steps. 1699526;1502936222;mod6;sure, solid advise. 1699527;1502938115;mod6;hey! 1699528;1502938127;mike_c;good evening 1699529;1502938163;mod6;mike_c: what version of Ubuntu are you trying to install upon? 1699530;1502938188;mod6;(for sake of l0gz) 1699531;1502938210;mike_c;hm, 16? lemme check 1699532;1502938221;mod6;ok, thanks. 1699533;1502938301;mike_c;yeah, 16.04 1699534;1502938307;mod6;alright. 1699535;1502938373;mod6;can you also do me a favor; `ls -al /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/` then paste. 1699536;1502938473;mod6;(p.bvulpes.com ofc) 1699537;1502938554;mike_c;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bHTek/?raw=true 1699538;1502938566;mod6;thanks! 1699539;1502938568;*;mod6 looks 1699540;1502938573;mike_c;possibly relevant section of `history` 1699541;1502938578;mike_c;and the ls you asked for 1699542;1502938652;mod6;yeah, hmm. so definatley something went wrong when unrolling all of the toolchain stuff from buildroot. 1699543;1502938656;mod6;let me show you mine. 1699544;1502938706;mod6;wait 1699545;1502938815;mod6;i believe that to be the wrong dir you listed. 1699546;1502938851;mod6;for instance, i think that to be: bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl/bin 1699547;1502938858;mod6;as opposed to: 1699548;1502938873;mike_c;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xgob8/?raw=true 1699549;1502938875;mod6;bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin 1699550;1502938942;mod6;very weird. check out mine here: 1699551;1502939063;mike_c;the anticipation is killing me 1699552;1502939130;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/T8M6X/?raw=true 1699553;1502939235;mod6;i've got 2 systems here that have successfuly built that I'm looking at. both look like this ^ 1699554;1502939239;mod6;one gentoo, one ubuntu 1699555;1502939299;mod6;the one is exactly: Description: Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS 1699556;1502939301;*;mircea_popescu is so fucking thrilled to see "tools runs perfectly" lasting as long as it takes the fucktards to make a new version of whatever "os" package ;/ 1699557;1502939363;mod6;im not sure on this, something environmental it feels like -- yet, I have the same system with it working just peachy. 1699558;1502939413;mike_c;well, who knows. did yours come with gcc4? 1699559;1502939418;mod6;I seriously we'll ever resolve this for all until we just have an OS that pre-staged for this build process. 1699560;1502939431;mod6;*seriously doubt 1699561;1502939467;mod6;mike_c: I don't think it did. I set this one up like back in the spring. And I'm fairly sure it came with gcc5 and i vanquished all the bs by hand. 1699562;1502939473;mod6;It ~sucked~. 1699563;1502939484;mod6;Lemme check it out. 1699564;1502939485;mike_c;i'll clean, rebuild, and check the logs carefully to try and see what happens with buildroot 1699565;1502939510;mircea_popescu;mike_c http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iKxpS/?raw=true << did it ever progress past this "c nout found" bs ? 1699566;1502939520;mike_c;yes 1699567;1502939523;mike_c;that was gcc5 1699568;1502939538;mike_c;started from fresh VM, ran into this other situation. 1699569;1502939542;mircea_popescu;so what's the latest barf ? 1699570;1502939580;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698767 << last checkpoint. then what happened ? 1699571;1502939580;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 04:07 mike_c: so now I burn this server to the ground and start over. 1699572;1502939583;mike_c;it's looking for x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc, which doesn't exist 1699573;1502939618;mircea_popescu;can you paste the whole thing ? 1699574;1502939650;mike_c;whole build output? I don't have it anymore, but I'm about to run it again and will save it. 1699575;1502939678;mircea_popescu;please do yes. 1699576;1502939701;mircea_popescu;just tee it to file / use screen and copy screen log as a standard practice when fighting build gnarl 1699577;1502939719;mod6;before you haul off and run everything again, i think we aught to look at your update-alternatives 1699578;1502939729;mod6;stand-by 1699579;1502939809;mike_c;too late, but we can do that too 1699580;1502939849;mircea_popescu;how goes PeterL 1699581;1502939919;mod6;mike_c: what do these two say: ` update-alternatives --list gcc && update-alternatives --list g++` 1699582;1502939919;PeterL;hi, it's going ok 1699583;1502939923;mircea_popescu;cool 1699584;1502939955;PeterL;So, if anybody was going to try the reverse mpfhf I posted yesterday, it does not work 1699585;1502939964;mircea_popescu;was going to ask :D 1699586;1502939970;mike_c;it's /usr/bin/gcc-4.7 and /usr/bin/g++-4.7 1699587;1502939976;PeterL;just thought I should let you know while I work out the bugs 1699588;1502939983;mod6;ok, that should be ok then, mike_c 1699589;1502940005;mod6;and what about `echo $CC` anything set there? 1699590;1502940009;mircea_popescu;mod6 pretty sure something breaks earlier in the flow because all my systems do have the item his is complaining about lacking. 1699591;1502940011;PeterL;for a couple small examples it worked, so I think it is close 1699592;1502940044;mod6;mircea_popescu: could be. very strange indeed. 1699593;1502940076;*;mircea_popescu fully expects something on the level of "oh, if you want patch you have to say explicitly" sorta nonsense.\ 1699594;1502940081;mod6;mike_c: also, how much disk space do you have available? this thing is gonna need like min 20G in the fs you're building in. does your /var have that much? 1699595;1502940094;mike_c;200gb 1699596;1502940114;mod6;ok, that should be way more than enough. 1699597;1502940188;mod6;anything set with `echo $CC` ? 1699598;1502940518;mike_c;no 1699599;1502940521;mod6;ok 1699600;1502940537;mod6;i'll wait for your build log, that should help. 1699601;1502940870;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the hallway, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0uhcwfbY31r4p8klo1_1280.jpg 1699602;1502942023;mircea_popescu;mike_c that slow huh 1699603;1502942290;mike_c;yup 1699604;1502942299;mike_c;but it seems healthier this time. 1699605;1502942320;mike_c;it is using /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++, so I guess it exists.. 1699606;1502942338;mike_c;all I did was make clean 1699607;1502942342;mike_c;and make again 1699608;1502942372;mod6;`make ONLINE=1` ? or did you copy in the deeds (for the deps) by hand? 1699609;1502942422;mike_c;make ONLINE=1 > buildlog.log 2>&1 1699610;1502942474;mod6;werd 1699611;1502942489;mike_c;and, hallelujah, there's a bitcoind. 1699612;1502942496;mike_c;which kind of pisses me off, but ok. 1699613;1502942498;mod6;yay! 1699614;1502942505;mod6;yeah, no idea what gives. 1699615;1502942553;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1699616;1502942557;mike_c;I mean, the only non-deterministic thing is network I guess 1699617;1502942570;mircea_popescu;count yourself blessed. 1699618;1502943168;mike_c;receiving blocks! how exciting. 1699619;1502943187;mike_c;height 20,000. this'll be done in no time 1699620;1502943309;mod6;heheh 1699621;1502943460;mike_c;my goat order is still pending. somebody wake up the intern at snsa that fills orders ;) 1699622;1502943767;asciilifeform;mike_c: yours ships on friday when asciilifeform gets home from travel 1699623;1502943799;mike_c;awesome 1699624;1502943849;*;asciilifeform prolly oughta start simply carrying a sack of fg everywhere he goes 1699625;1502943899;asciilifeform;mike_c: congrats on building trb, incidentally 1699626;1502943940;mike_c;shouldn't everyone carry a sack of fg? 1699627;1502943966;mike_c;and thanks! would have been easier if I had gone with gcc4 the first night. 1699628;1502944340;mod6;no prob mike_c, glad you got it goin! 1699629;1502973611;mod6;wow, was KLINED for some reason o.O !? 1699630;1502973624;mod6;looks like a bunch of us got zapped 1699631;1502973759;shinohai;My explanation mention bots sending kiddie pr0n 1699632;1502973927;BingoBoingo;Per the "network" >> "-christel- [Global Notice] In light of the wave of spambots sending links to child pornography images, we have chosen to update our default umodes to include +R (blocking messages from unregistered users). To allow such messages, /mode yournick -R. Apologies for the disruption and the inconvenience." 1699633;1502974859;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/barry-silbert-picks-block-494784-for-altcoin-exodus-from-bitcoin/ << Qntra - Barry Silbert Picks Block 494784 For Altcoin Exodus From Bitcoin 1699634;1502978594;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/00egF/?raw=true 1699635;1502978595;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1699636;1502980387;mod6;hola 1699637;1502980409;shinohai;buenas dias mod6 1699638;1502980432;mod6;how goes? 1699639;1502980671;shinohai;Not bad here, getting set up for the day .... you? 1699640;1502981508;mod6;shinohai: same. 1699641;1502981513;mod6;heeeey a111 s back 1699642;1502982910;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697607 -> fwiw (just got up to date on logs) my max primorial fitting 4096 bits: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yxN91/?raw=true 1699643;1502982910;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:20 mircea_popescu: this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot. 1699644;1502982977;diana_coman;diffed it and it seems to be same as PeterL's 1699645;1502986415;trinque;wow, the idiots running this network. 1699646;1502986573;shinohai;"There are bots spamming kiddie pr0n on the network, wat do?" ... "I know, lets Kline EVERYONE!!!!!" 1699647;1502987345;shinohai;And continuing in mircea_popescu's "blondes prefer blacks" farms theme: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHb4-tvWAAAp05V.jpg 1699648;1502987366;shinohai;(Though perhaps not quite so blonde) 1699649;1502996874;shinohai;!!up PeterL 1699650;1502996874;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1699651;1502998148;PeterL;http://trilema.com/2017/mps-fabulous-hash-function-and-its-family/#comment-122671 ( http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PqCfM/?raw=true ) I think I am making progress on the reverse hash function 1699652;1502998185;PeterL;but it still fails on some hashes, so I must still have something wrong in there 1699653;1502998718;shinohai;!!up PeterL 1699654;1502998719;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1699655;1502998794;mircea_popescu;sooo... everyone got klined accidentally, test run for whenever ? 1699656;1502998814;mircea_popescu;freenode ain't got so long left in it huh. 1699657;1502999014;shinohai;Oh ffs .... "blockchain.info to support Ether" 1699658;1502999058;mircea_popescu;are these the dorks that ran a webwallet that then removed the multiaddress sends ? 1699659;1502999116;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-famous-roasted-bird-soup-salata-de-boeuf-transform/#comment-122667 << meanwhile i can't decide if this is parody or just the new level. 1699660;1502999129;shinohai;yup. also same one with the single-integer rng bug. 1699661;1502999290;mircea_popescu;https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57794de3f7e0ab3baff27ef0/t/58016d50b8a79bb988dd115d/1476488617465/seth-bannon-and-ela-madej-fifty-yearsjpg << "Ela and Seth are great at bringing operational efficiency to our company, including both managing tasks and team motivation. They’re able to do such a good job because they’ve walked the journey and built great companies. " — Harry Gandhi, Co-founder & CEO, Medella Health 1699662;1502999298;mircea_popescu;are they fucking serious ? why isn't she sucking his toes then ? 1699663;1502999306;mircea_popescu;WTF SOCKS ARE THOSE for a male!? 1699664;1503000467;asciilifeform;lol! where did this pic come from mircea_popescu ? 1699665;1503000559;mircea_popescu;above comment\ 1699666;1503000584;asciilifeform;'Commercialising cultured meat 1699667;1503000584;asciilifeform;to move humanity to a new, 1699668;1503000585;asciilifeform;better food system.' 1699669;1503000593;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 1699670;1503000634;asciilifeform;'nurx.co -- On-demand birth control delivered to your door' 1699671;1503000646;mircea_popescu;and in other ustardian sads : this gringo has a dog. he refers to the dog as she, and got it a pink collar and everything. it got flipped on its back while playing with a puppy (which, at six weeks old, is way the fuck more dominant, and generally rounded than the gringo's misfortunate mongrel) and lo! penis. ballsac. 1699672;1503000676;asciilifeform;'Real leather without the animals' ^ perhaps good fit for subj 1699673;1503000676;mircea_popescu;i can't discern if this dude has no fucking idea how the sexual parts work, or if some deeper insanity on the level of "transsexual dog" is afoot 1699674;1503000682;mircea_popescu;but i also don't want to ask. 1699675;1503000706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usian influence has reached so far, you can't buy snake skin in costa rica. at least not officially. 1699676;1503000732;asciilifeform;strange 1699677;1503000742;shinohai;This sounds like something you'd say in Eulora "- I think it's more likely to be some mixture of the leftovers from 7 roasted suckling pigs, 10 whole ducks, 5 ostriches etc - one needs to just go back in time enough for that." 1699678;1503000743;asciilifeform;readily available in usa 1699679;1503000754;mircea_popescu;lol shinohai 1699680;1503000765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, this is the problem with idiot orcs who fall for the empire agitprop. 1699681;1503000837;mircea_popescu;anyway, there['s no doubt in my mind that unless we actually butcher a few tens of millions pantsuits, actual meat will go out within our lifetimes. 1699682;1503000874;asciilifeform;for good chunk of usa inhabitants, it vanished long ago 1699683;1503000888;asciilifeform;( replaced, at least for now, with mysteryburger, rather than pure synthetic ) 1699684;1503000899;shinohai;"We a'in got no bleeding Ostrich ... now piss off" 1699685;1503001011;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LVYEj/?raw=true 1699686;1503001028;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can still buy it at costco. 1699687;1503001042;mircea_popescu;but, yes, frog boils slowly. 1699688;1503001087;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it, ty! 1699689;1503001096;ben_vulpes;failed to notice bot hadn't come back with me 1699690;1503001097;mircea_popescu;nevertheless -- i'd much rather actually have "white 29yo female aspiring writer" cuts hanging from the meathooks, 5 bux a pound or w/e. 1699691;1503001117;asciilifeform;i'ma pass on eating the progesterone ty 1699692;1503001132;asciilifeform;( bad enough that we're sitting here and... drinking it ) 1699693;1503001171;asciilifeform;( maybe eat the males, ~milk~ the females, like on other farms..? ) 1699694;1503001184;mircea_popescu;im not eating faggot. 1699695;1503001188;mircea_popescu;tis haram. 1699696;1503001196;asciilifeform;feed'em to pigs then 1699697;1503001205;mircea_popescu;i was thinking crabs. 1699698;1503001207;asciilifeform;this, or biofermenter 1699699;1503001225;asciilifeform;crabs oughta work. or pirannhas. ( aficionados tell me that there is not a tastier fish alive ) 1699700;1503001236;*;mircea_popescu prefers trout. 1699701;1503001268;mircea_popescu;but -- pirannhas have the advantage that can take them live. 1699702;1503001270;asciilifeform;dunno that trout eats redditus tho. 'reduce, reuse, recycle' (tm)(r) 1699703;1503001275;asciilifeform;aha! 1699704;1503001285;mircea_popescu;just put them trough a steel balls mill first, so they're beaten up a bit / broken bones here and there. 1699705;1503001291;asciilifeform;redditus in the tank, delish fish out. 1699706;1503001314;asciilifeform;and yea tenderizing couldn't possibly hurt. 1699707;1503001350;mircea_popescu;this is actually a fabulous solution to the problem. pick amazon river, large enough to deal, build "pantsuitwash" on the side, basically just a vertical mill room. like a car wash but with steel balls attached to the rotating poles. simply push the herd through, mechanically. 1699708;1503001357;mircea_popescu;have pens outside for storage. 1699709;1503001376;mircea_popescu;no lye no ovens no nothing. fish the fish downstream. 1699710;1503001406;asciilifeform;afaik pirannha can handle the patient intact even. 1699711;1503001415;mircea_popescu;yeah but the screams are important. 1699712;1503001418;asciilifeform;just takes a little longer 1699713;1503001450;mircea_popescu;random lisa kudrow gets to spend a few weeks under the stars listening to the desperate screams (phrased as a quesiton, of course) of her elders, then it's her turn. 1699714;1503001454;asciilifeform;i was thinking more along the lines of a swimming pool, but with bars on top, just enough air to put head out of the water under same 1699715;1503001460;mircea_popescu;can roll eyes while having hip dislocated, even. 1699716;1503001473;asciilifeform;who's kudrow 1699717;1503001480;mircea_popescu;the dumb chick from friends. 1699718;1503001499;*;asciilifeform believe or not, never saw 1699719;1503001499;mircea_popescu;keeps making these idiotic mary sue fiction movies where she's not a total fucktard escaped from the titty bar. 1699720;1503001531;mircea_popescu;you also don't know what jennifer hair is ? 1699721;1503001546;asciilifeform;in not wholly unrelated noose, paypal joins airbnb etc in excommunication frenzy of various 'alt' redditus 1699722;1503001560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not, true, don't know 1699723;1503001566;mircea_popescu;heh. 1699724;1503001583;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform different waitress from the same show, married one of the pretty boys. vin diesel maybe ? 1699725;1503001594;mircea_popescu;anyway, at some point in the 20s every other sorority slut had hair cut the same way 1699726;1503001603;*;asciilifeform can picture 1699727;1503001611;mircea_popescu;hence jennifer hair. 1699728;1503001634;mircea_popescu;it didn't help that due to the extremely limited neuronal load in their idiotic mothers, about every other sorority slut was actually named jennifer in the period. 1699729;1503001664;mircea_popescu;anywya, there was also a brunette one and i forger the rest. five of them total. 1699730;1503001819;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-17#1699670 << this ftr is how drugs have worked in major cities for a long time now. but of course they don't perceive the obligation to point out, "Hey, we figured we could do the mary jane trick for postinor, cuz we're too chickenshit to push grass." 1699731;1503001819;a111;Logged on 2017-08-17 20:10 asciilifeform: 'nurx.co -- On-demand birth control delivered to your door' 1699732;1503001859;asciilifeform;but in very other olds, apparently in an obscure article in '09 bernstein shows how to eliminate one of the middle-term additions of karatsuba . 1699733;1503001888;asciilifeform;d00d was at his peak, then. 1699734;1503001901;asciilifeform;( the smooth-parts-of-integers article was from same iirc period ) 1699735;1503001901;mircea_popescu;o ? 1699736;1503001935;asciilifeform;( https://binary.cr.yp.to/bbe-20090604.pdf for aficionados with laserprinter ) 1699737;1503002058;asciilifeform;also lit search came back with an equally obscure recipe for a 10% or so faster comba ( tldr : compute the square (diagonal) digits in a separate walk, and add them to the result of the nondiagonal pass , at the end ) 1699738;1503002146;asciilifeform;i will share the imho interesting fact that asciilifeform sifted through literally several kg of rubbish ( i print things to read... ) before turning up these items. 1699739;1503002173;asciilifeform;the snr of 'cryptographers' is somewhere south of that of tardstalk. 1699740;1503002201;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1699741;1503013631;mod6;evenin 1699742;1503013782;mod6;Went to this ukrainian place called Kramarczuk's Deli today. Place has awesome Rubans. Got a Pierogi too. And some Cheddarwost sausages to go. They make 'em right there. 1699743;1503013791;mod6;mmmm 1699744;1503014865;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/08/18/primorials-calculation/ << Ossasepia - Primorials Calculation 1699745;1503015151;mircea_popescu;sounds great. 1699746;1503015396;mircea_popescu;diana_coman nice going with the 6x +-1 approach 1699747;1503015451;mod6;Those cheddarworst were everything I hoped they could be. Yum. 1699748;1503015480;mod6;I also got 2 sweet italian sausages for this weekend -- may do a bit of sauce, peppers & onions with those. 1699749;1503015482;shinohai;And today's catch netted:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEz3krqWAAItb5b.jpg 1699750;1503015765;*;mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley. 1699751;1503015784;mircea_popescu;shinohai wassat ? 1699752;1503017300;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6QdWu/?raw=true 1699753;1503017301;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1699754;1503018329;mircea_popescu;in other news, venezuelan rum is almost as good as venezuelan cunt. 1699755;1503018338;mircea_popescu;50 bux a bottle, worth about 5 grand. 1699756;1503018347;mircea_popescu;!!up Birdman 1699757;1503018348;deedbot;Birdman voiced for 30 minutes. 1699758;1503018352;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot Birdman 1699759;1503018353;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 3 by 3 connections. 1699760;1503018453;Birdman;Hello. I'd like to commission the writing of a script that can go through text logs and find certain discrepancies, would be paying in either btc or ecu (eulora coppers), if anyone is interested. I think its a fairly simple thing to get done. 1699761;1503018465;mircea_popescu;be specific. 1699762;1503018705;Birdman;Ah, so i have a bunch of poker hand histories that log from beggining to end the players dealt in, their money, the progression of the hand, and finally the summary. The discrepancy i need found is where the seat numbers dealt into the hand at the beginning are missing entirely at the hand summary, and to spit out the hand numbers where it is found. Some hands that are corrupted will have a "seat256" in the summary 1699763;1503018705;Birdman; so that could be a false positive or that discrepancy but would be of little consequence if those get mixed in anyways. 1699764;1503018753;mircea_popescu;got some examples ? 1699765;1503018811;Birdman;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/x7Y0k/?raw=true 1699766;1503018847;Birdman;obviously this needs to be found as you can see the missing seat also ends up having all that seats contributed money to that hand go missing 1699767;1503019267;asciilifeform;* deedbot has quit (Excess Flood) << waaaat 1699768;1503019485;asciilifeform;in other lulz from spamola box, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/H4p8Y/?raw=true 1699769;1503019808;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DB132BFF6A015262AEA9DEBB8910C90D03534EDDCBAAA0150CF5B45367083F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1315...8217 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.65.111.75 (ssh-rsa key from 193.65.111.75 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (faraheim.raumarik.com. FI) 1699770;1503019808;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DB132BFF6A015262AEA9DEBB8910C90D03534EDDCBAAA0150CF5B45367083F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1273...4923 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.65.111.75 (ssh-rsa key from 193.65.111.75 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (faraheim.raumarik.com. FI) 1699771;1503020369;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FD3E320923CAC159D4815502DABAB2C1005EBA675E7489EBC41CA6927B20274 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1533...7399 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '129.206.117.123 (ssh-rsa key from 129.206.117.123 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (davinci.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de. DE BW) 1699772;1503020369;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FD3E320923CAC159D4815502DABAB2C1005EBA675E7489EBC41CA6927B20274 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1443...3913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '129.206.117.123 (ssh-rsa key from 129.206.117.123 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (davinci.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de. DE BW) 1699773;1503020636;mircea_popescu;Birdman what;s it pay ? 1699774;1503020686;mircea_popescu;"including our policy against discrimination of any kind—this includes banning people from the app." 1699775;1503020705;mircea_popescu;the fuck is that dumb shit, their policy against discrimination is all about discrimination now ? 1699776;1503020710;mircea_popescu;shitheads. 1699777;1503020745;mircea_popescu;this is why you don't want to permit frisco-based shitheads taking over "the world" or any part of it : they'll come up with some dumb shit like that and then you'll be stuck re-inventing cabs or toilets or whatever. 1699778;1503020754;mircea_popescu;keep your community clean of frisco corruption! 1699779;1503020768;mircea_popescu;Meghan Verena Joyce << 1699780;1503020794;mircea_popescu;who the fuck permits shitheads named meghan to sign their "name" to things anwyay. 1699781;1503021133;Birdman;mircea_popescu to be honest i've no idea how simple or complex the job is, would you give me an estimate? 1699782;1503021201;mike_c; LC_ALL=C /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/bin/bitcoind getblockcount 1699783;1503021201;mike_c;215500 1699784;1503021211;mike_c;progress! 1699785;1503021220;mod6;nice 1699786;1503021294;mike_c;Birdman - just pick the highest number you're comfortable with. I bet somebody here will do it. 1699787;1503021354;Birdman;then i offer .025 btc to get it done, or 2.5mn ecu 1699788;1503021517;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/16CD68E6CA3E837605B45B0014A46D4A786DE31C8CCD8BA7FC9F1E4C7FD87F82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1667...4639 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.30.35 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.30.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (m26s01.vlinux.de. DE) 1699789;1503021518;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/16CD68E6CA3E837605B45B0014A46D4A786DE31C8CCD8BA7FC9F1E4C7FD87F82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1564...5317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.30.35 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.30.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (m26s01.vlinux.de. DE) 1699790;1503021700;shinohai;sweet mike_c 1699791;1503021730;asciilifeform;.025 << holy mother of fuq 1699792;1503021757;mike_c;shinohai - i am hoping the speed does not go down exponentially with the blockcount going up. 1699793;1503021762;asciilifeform;that's what, a monkeystani hundy 1699794;1503021775;mike_c;it's less than a goat! 1699795;1503021781;asciilifeform;mike_c: first 250kblox are what, 1G 1699796;1503021786;asciilifeform;so it sure will go slower. 1699797;1503021798;mike_c;slower, yes, but i am hoping not like this takes weeks. 1699798;1503021833;mod6;months 1699799;1503021840;mircea_popescu;Birdman i have no idea, but we'll see. 1699800;1503021842;mike_c;shut up! to sync? months? 1699801;1503021848;mircea_popescu;ayup midnightmagic 1699802;1503021851;mircea_popescu;mike_c i mean 1699803;1503021864;asciilifeform;mike_c: count on at least 2wks ( supposing you're syncing from 'wild' net ) 1699804;1503021897;*;mircea_popescu is seriously considering kicking/banning ramoras that get in the way of autocomplete. no fucking way i'm hitting tab twice becauser random dork thinks he's getting before mike_c. name yourselves ZZZimashithead instead eh. 1699805;1503021907;asciilifeform;^^^ 1699806;1503021924;mike_c;hehe. 1699807;1503021928;*;asciilifeform has awaited this delish moment for long time 1699808;1503021930;mircea_popescu;aha. 1699809;1503021944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you hit on it tons trying to get to me huh. 1699810;1503021951;asciilifeform;every single motherfucking time 1699811;1503021969;mircea_popescu;yeah. totally needs some solution this is ridoinculous. autcomplete should work by freq. 1699812;1503021979;mike_c;blockchain is what, 150gb? what is this months crap. 1699813;1503021991;mircea_popescu;mike_c how long have you been away! 1699814;1503021998;mircea_popescu;there's portions that take >1 minute to verify. 1699815;1503022006;mike_c;ah 1699816;1503022013;mircea_popescu;anyway, do birdman's thing will you ? 1699817;1503022040;mike_c;i'm not doing it for .0000025 btc, but I'll do it for free. 1699818;1503022043;asciilifeform;not only that, but the sync mechanism is still same as it was in 2011 -- thing speaks to 1 node at a time, selected at ~random, and if the other end is a tard it can loop theoretically forever 1699819;1503022050;mircea_popescu;works too. 1699820;1503022112;Birdman;what, did i really over shoot that price? lol 1699821;1503022129;mike_c;no, you did not. 1699822;1503022133;mircea_popescu;Birdman superficially it works like 1/4 hour py script, but what do i know. 1699823;1503022147;mike_c;but link to the hand dump or something 1699824;1503022180;mircea_popescu;slso, i can't stop drinking this rum. 1699825;1503022199;mircea_popescu;if this keeps on i'll be drunk in a day or two. 1699826;1503022215;Birdman;hand dump? 1699827;1503022230;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do the pets get... grog ? 1699828;1503022232;mircea_popescu;Birdman the datafile you want processed. 1699829;1503022235;mike_c;yeah, you have some big gz of these hands you want parsed? 1699830;1503022249;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one's out looking for ghirls the other's out with a tummy ache the thirds... 1699831;1503022277;mircea_popescu;everyone's out. im alone with the bottle. 1699832;1503022278;mircea_popescu;and oyu. 1699833;1503022301;Birdman;the idea was to get a script i could run on everyone else's hand histories in the future, right now i only have one person's, is that something that can be done or should i wait and get together everything i need processed? 1699834;1503022316;asciilifeform;'better the bottle in front of me, than the frontal lobotomy' (tm)(r)(usa) 1699835;1503022324;mircea_popescu;Birdman give out a large enough datapile the script can be made, then you can run it over your grandma. 1699836;1503022339;mike_c;oh. well, without a bunch of hands it will fail due to lack of examples. 1699837;1503022352;Birdman;ah nice, she'll enjoy that. does google docs link to compressed file of data work? 1699838;1503022353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's put it this way, i don't miss my native alcohol. 1699839;1503022365;mike_c;sure 1699840;1503022408;Birdman;kk, there are multiple games that will have slightly different info but far as it goes i think if it works on one it works on all. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxJVxgh4RQyoenBUc3VsNzh5Qzg/view 1699841;1503022413;asciilifeform;asciilifeform also has (surprisingly, for where he is) decent rum. from, i shit thee not, a distillery that opened across the street . 1699842;1503022414;mircea_popescu;or let's put it another way : if/when someone finally shows up we're gonna do a rum night instead of the argentine chocolates thing. 1699843;1503022441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gtfo, you grow sugar cane in washington dee-shit ? 1699844;1503022448;asciilifeform;delaware 1699845;1503022466;mircea_popescu;i'd jhave thought it's too col.d 1699846;1503022503;asciilifeform;they prolly don't get 5 harvests a year. but things grow. 1699847;1503022514;asciilifeform;fields everywhere. 1699848;1503022521;mircea_popescu;there's no way it's centroamerica competitive. 1699849;1503022531;mircea_popescu;you just like it becaus4 you campari it to bacardi. 1699850;1503022541;mircea_popescu;i drank roadwork tar better than bacardi. 1699851;1503022561;asciilifeform;yea i have lathe chuck cleaner better than... 1699852;1503022604;mircea_popescu;sadly haiti got washed out to sea so i'll never really know, but as far as i know i am the master of all rum. 1699853;1503022619;asciilifeform;but noshit this little distillery ( i saw the pot, it ain't much bigger than the ones featured in meth arrest photos ) serves only the nowhere town in which it lives. 1699854;1503022620;mircea_popescu;it even comes in cute pirate-like bottles! 1699855;1503022636;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but rum has to be aged! 1699856;1503022638;mircea_popescu;this is 22 yo! 1699857;1503022674;mircea_popescu;older than some hos! 1699858;1503022692;*;asciilifeform tentatively impressed, looks fwd to taste 1699859;1503022710;mircea_popescu;!#google rum diplomatico reserva exclusiva 1699860;1503022726;mircea_popescu;i totally feel like a civ2 diplomat guy, with the sash and errythang. 1699861;1503022772;asciilifeform;lol! 1699862;1503022855;BingoBoingo; i totally feel like a civ2 diplomat guy, with the sash and errythang. << Don't forget to edit rules.txt 1699863;1503022865;mircea_popescu;lol 1699864;1503022891;*;BingoBoingo always set roads and rivers to 1/5 of a turn instead of 1/3 1699865;1503022936;asciilifeform;speaking of subj, but also of open sores, anybody ever played 'freeciv' ? 1699866;1503022946;mircea_popescu;for like half an hour 1699867;1503022957;asciilifeform;i actually met a d00d who took to it 1699868;1503022966;mircea_popescu;did he move up to it from battle of wesnoth ? 1699869;1503022986;asciilifeform;not afaik 1699870;1503022997;BingoBoingo;Freeciv map premises suck "equality of continent" 1699871;1503023008;mircea_popescu;i dunno why all the opensores games from the 2000s suffered from ineptly bad interfaces. 1699872;1503023021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: generally because 0 artists involved 1699873;1503023026;asciilifeform;'programmer art' 1699874;1503023051;mircea_popescu;not just the art. wesnoth thing is fine example. apparently someone's idea of "fun" and "playing" is... click through list in cycles. 1699875;1503023065;mircea_popescu;o look, gna! closed down 1699876;1503023083;asciilifeform;waiwat 1699877;1503023089;mircea_popescu;gna.org 1699878;1503023118;mircea_popescu;so freeciv moved to github. ra ra ra america! 1699879;1503023127;asciilifeform;oh that gna 1699880;1503023132;mircea_popescu;yes 1699881;1503023136;asciilifeform;iirc was announced in '16 , that it will die 1699882;1503023145;mircea_popescu;possibly. i really didn't follow. 1699883;1503023148;asciilifeform;'not needed' or sumthing. 1699884;1503023155;mircea_popescu;right. 1699885;1503023169;mircea_popescu;github, cloudflare, airbnb, uber, what more could you need. 1699886;1503023379;mircea_popescu;anyway. bbl, rum. 1699887;1503023558;mod6;l8r 1699888;1503024520;phf;!#seen Framedragger 1699889;1503024520;a111;2017-07-16 yeah. 1699890;1503024581;phf;(no particular reason, just haven't seen him speak for a while) 1699891;1503025886;asciilifeform;iirc he mentioned moving to yet new cuntry again 1699892;1503025890;asciilifeform;fwiw his box worx 1699893;1503027165;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1699894;1503027180;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4255.0, vol: 14983.63813301 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4242.2, vol: 40968.03268366 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4344.950498, vol: 24748.30660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4274.389, vol: 8210.35432827 | Volume-weighted last average: 4275.93032619 1699895;1503027195;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/trezor-others-affected-by-fault-injection-may-leak-keys/ << Qntra - Trezor, Others Affected By "Fault Injection" – May Leak Keys 1699896;1503027335;ben_vulpes;"As soon as you connect your Trezor to a power source such as a computer, without entering any PIN codes or opening any websites, the Trezor device firmware by itself fills the SRAM with all your sensitive secret information." 1699897;1503027356;ben_vulpes;lolchoice 1699898;1503027362;mircea_popescu;iirc we said trezor is not to be used cca 2015./ 1699899;1503027437;ben_vulpes;highly specifically diddleable 1699900;1503027452;ben_vulpes;heh specific diddleability 1699901;1503027466;mircea_popescu;aka pos. 1699902;1503027480;ben_vulpes;hey, i ain't defending it! 1699903;1503027506;mircea_popescu;how's cascadia going btw ? teeny hos switchign to the "alt-right" aesthetic yet or still with the flipfops an' pantsuit ? 1699904;1503027597;ben_vulpes;last i checked the intersectional feminism was thick and masculinity toxic 1699905;1503027634;mircea_popescu;heh 1699906;1503027654;mircea_popescu;is that last checked like 2015 ? 1699907;1503027679;ben_vulpes;dude the contemporary inanities are even worse 1699908;1503027684;ben_vulpes;"no sapiosexuals" 1699909;1503027686;mircea_popescu;le suck. 1699910;1503027687;ben_vulpes;"no nazis" 1699911;1503027695;mircea_popescu;what's a sapiosexual 1699912;1503027708;ben_vulpes;some signal i can't be arsed to parse 1699913;1503027730;ben_vulpes;surface level supposed to convey "turned on by smart gurls" i think? 1699914;1503027740;mircea_popescu;apparently huh. 1699915;1503027750;mircea_popescu;wtf is this supposed to mean, "smart gurls" 1699916;1503027757;ben_vulpes;probably also means can't fuck 1699917;1503027777;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/blockchain-info-huffs-fumes/ << Qntra - Blockchain.info Huffs Fumes 1699918;1503027784;ben_vulpes;what i mean or what they might mean 1699919;1503027822;mircea_popescu;"i know i've no chance with hot girls, so i'll settle for you but i don;'t want to eat the downside of fucking bags, so. sapiosexual." 1699920;1503027827;ben_vulpes;i have previously declined to load this particular edifice of self referential horseshit into my head and think i'm going to do so again 1699921;1503027830;ben_vulpes;lol probably that 1699922;1503028101;mircea_popescu;in other shower/elevator mini raves, http://68.media.tumblr.com/72e54c3bd119d36f50cb696bc7a555bf/tumblr_o24ndjBMvA1rayazno1_1280.jpg 1699923;1503028137;asciilifeform;FOR ZE LUVV of GAWd, Montrezor!!! 1699924;1503028147;mircea_popescu;mm ? 1699925;1503028148;BingoBoingo;Literally GAW-d 1699926;1503028155;asciilifeform;!#s from:asciilifeform trezor 1699927;1503028155;a111;38 results for "from:asciilifeform trezor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20trezor 1699928;1503028189;phf;i believe he's alluding to how tiny that shower is 1699929;1503028190;asciilifeform;2013. 1699930;1503028201;BingoBoingo;And in history, THE GAW http://qntra.net/2015/04/garza-friends-additional-emails-detailed/ 1699931;1503028222;mircea_popescu;phf bathroom will tell you a lot about a man. 1699932;1503028324;mircea_popescu;how many girls fit in the shower ? bidet ? iron rings in wall ? etc. 1699933;1503028383;phf;ah, i was trying to relfect on bathroom equivalent of physiognomy 1699934;1503028413;phf;bidet is definitely an important one, but i'm not sure what the iron rings in wall are for 1699935;1503028423;mircea_popescu;chains. 1699936;1503028497;phf;hmm 1699937;1503028536;mircea_popescu;i can't find the trilema article illustration with the three girls under cold water but inserted by reference. 1699938;1503028630;phf;i like how tropical bathrooms are usually made as a sealed concrete boxes (i guess mediterranean variation would have nice tiles on top, like a greek bathhouse or hamami). no hidden crevices for mold, etc. BUT probably also better for any kind of situation that requires iron rings in walls 1699939;1503028676;mircea_popescu;4 pillars - no panels lawn showers also great. 1699940;1503028686;mircea_popescu;"you want privacy, go back to your mother." 1699941;1503028740;asciilifeform;re the trezor nonsense -- it's the , what' 8th year of btc, and still nobody made the obvious sanewallet - txmaker runs from rom, and eats privkey when-required via paper tape 1699942;1503028765;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how incentives work. 1699943;1503028768;asciilifeform;flip off switch, and it is same as it came from factory. 1699944;1503028777;asciilifeform;0 writeables. 1699945;1503028789;mircea_popescu;pro tip : nobody has any incentive to help fucktarded nobody on a stick keep his unearned and unwarranted claim to importance. 1699946;1503028799;mircea_popescu;so he bought btc in 2014. his job is to lose it to his betters, nothing else. 1699947;1503028817;asciilifeform;i thought people sold thing 1699948;1503028821;asciilifeform;for moneys. 1699949;1503028830;mircea_popescu;otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty. 1699950;1503028835;phf;a festival/burning man equivalent would be one of those "solar shower" bags 1699951;1503028843;asciilifeform;am i in parallel world where trade didnt happen 1699952;1503028965;mircea_popescu;anyone want to share his bbq marinade recipe ? 1699953;1503029709;phf;asciilifeform: koi8-r author died, http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=47037 1699954;1503029945;asciilifeform;phf: koi8 жил, жив, и будет жить !1!!! 1699955;1503030032;phf;he was also one of the freebsd core developers, worked on the original USSR<->world isp, etc. i've seen him couple of times, though never spoke. he was friends with the guy who taught me how to computer, so periodically would show up to moscow state 1699956;1503030116;asciilifeform;seems like d00d quietly naggumed in his bed for some yrs before died, neh 1699957;1503030131;phf;yeah, that's what it looks like :o 1699958;1503030137;asciilifeform;( consider, freebsd became clangalicious and rngless a while back ) 1699959;1503030193;asciilifeform;freebsd circa 2002 or so is still near top of my list for 'what if salvage a unix' 1699960;1503030242;asciilifeform;( that was asciilifeform's last 'happy' bsd install ) 1699961;1503030270;asciilifeform;4.7 was ~snappy~ on libretto110 1699962;1503030280;asciilifeform;what can i get today, that is... 1699963;1503030393;phf;i wasn't a rich imperialist at the time, but freebsd was quite pleasant on a 300mhz amd, i used it as main os for a long time, until, yeah, 2002 or so. this is also when i switched to mac os x, which was perhaps a mistake. i suspect these people made their own deals with devil 1699964;1503030414;asciilifeform;asciilifeform made it to '07 1699965;1503030419;asciilifeform;after that - gentoo 1699966;1503030470;asciilifeform;i also remember getting hold of a crapple, and naively thinking 'hey, something like sun' 1699967;1503030497;phf;i wouldn't be surprised if Chernov likewise welcomed clang (not gnu!!) and all other kinds of own hole digging, until the overwhelming suckage SUDDENLY manifested in everything 1699968;1503030573;phf;like Sun itself, apple was perhaps also like Sun for a very brief period, until it wasn't. 1699969;1503030694;asciilifeform;for the brief time when it was still competing with sun, hp, zombie of sgi 1699970;1503030709;asciilifeform;( for commercialunix users ) 1699971;1503030730;asciilifeform;no moar than couplea yrs of stevej 1699972;1503030764;asciilifeform;after that - monopoly, full bore microshitism 1699973;1503030841;mike_c;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T5q4F/?raw=true 1699974;1503030862;asciilifeform;re freebsd -- it was almost a dream, i dum recall even once having the now-daily 'this was made by tards, and they Must Die' feel from it 1699975;1503030865;mike_c;save that to a file called 'whatever.py' 1699976;1503030880;mike_c;and run it with 'python whatever.py /path/to/hands/directory/' 1699977;1503030891;mike_c;!!later tell Birdman ^ 1699978;1503030893;ben_vulpes;btw wb mike_c 1699979;1503030896;mike_c;hi ben! 1699980;1503030910;mircea_popescu;it's n ice to have him back isn't it. 1699981;1503030917;asciilifeform;aha! 1699982;1503030919;mike_c;!~later tell Birdman ^ 1699983;1503030919;jhvh1;mike_c: The operation succeeded. 1699984;1503030931;mircea_popescu;mike_c bots.contravex.com btw 1699985;1503030933;*;ben_vulpes was just recalling the c3 memory fragging arguments 1699986;1503030948;ben_vulpes;mike_c's horrified refusal to believe that shit could be so bad 1699987;1503030954;mircea_popescu;mike_c what's tmsr look like from the vantage of 18 months ? 1699988;1503030984;mike_c;some things are good. client is running, bots are working, goats are being shipped. 1699989;1503030990;mike_c;like in all progress, I wish faster. 1699990;1503031011;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha! i esp. liked how mike_c didn't hesitate to tell me 'yer wrong: rather, here's different hypothesis' 1699991;1503031013;mike_c;but hey, wish in one hand and do some work in the other 1699992;1503031021;*;mircea_popescu just got through making goat buttermilkj marinade for cow tongue for girl's barbecue tues. pray for me that it works, because a) they never had cow tongue and b) they never saw diary marinade and generally c) pretty suspicious side glances all around. 1699993;1503031139;ben_vulpes;i swear by yogurt marinades for chickens 1699994;1503031151;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 1699995;1503031159;phf;i can't even think about food, we had guests.. 1699996;1503031176;mircea_popescu;what happened ? 1699997;1503031187;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes good jew, doesn't marinade cow in milk... 1699998;1503031215;ben_vulpes;lol hey i don't marinade cow much in anything 1699999;1503031238;ben_vulpes;my sins against the torah are myriad 1700000;1503031242;asciilifeform;'do not cook a chix in her mother's milk' (tm)(r)(maimonides) or how did it go. 1700001;1503031253;mircea_popescu;aha. 1700002;1503031258;phf;i ate too much 1700003;1503031275;mircea_popescu;why do you eat your guests phf, that's not respectable or civilised. 1700004;1503031297;phf;but i can't brag, because in the upside down tmsr world, i now find having one girl cooking the whole meal a form of cruel and unusual punishment. 1700005;1503031310;mircea_popescu;why ?! 1700006;1503031344;phf;3 courses, custom desert, own bread, etc. seems like ~a lot~ of work 1700007;1503031348;mircea_popescu;it's only gruel if all she gets is bitch kibbles from a doggy dish under the table! 1700008;1503031358;mircea_popescu;cruel* 1700009;1503031377;phf;ok that's fair 1700010;1503031422;mircea_popescu;tell her i said that, too, that way i'll know why lanky russian chick i never met is throwing knives at me in social setting later on. 1700011;1503031460;ben_vulpes;was this like an entire days worth of prep that guestbae could not assist with? 1700012;1503031480;mircea_popescu;he dun have guestbae, he's like from the east. 1700013;1503031499;phf;what's a guestbae? :o 1700014;1503031512;mircea_popescu;phf aka soubrette in french. girl who eats out your main bitch. 1700015;1503031544;asciilifeform;aa subpet 1700016;1503031550;mircea_popescu;WHETHER SHE LIKES IT OR NOT 1700017;1503031557;ben_vulpes;lol nothing so so. one of the sheguests 1700018;1503031565;phf;ah, yes, we need one of those. i didn't realize they had them in portland 1700019;1503031578;ben_vulpes;you don't want what we have. 1700020;1503031582;mircea_popescu;phf me either, but he keeps pretending as if, so what's it cost to believe. 1700021;1503031596;ben_vulpes;i've none such! 1700022;1503031603;ben_vulpes;slander and libel 1700023;1503031603;mircea_popescu;i thought you said! 1700024;1503031648;ben_vulpes;"you sir, are drunk." 1700025;1503031661;mircea_popescu;im not drunk, im alternately alcoholised. 1700026;1503031670;ben_vulpes;and in the morning i will still be a married man 1700027;1503031724;mircea_popescu;but let us drive the inquiry. why won't we want what you have ? 1700028;1503031810;ben_vulpes;all me to clarify that by we i mean "here", miserable socialist hellhole of the pnw 1700029;1503031865;ben_vulpes;and the "what" that "we" have is, well, you know the haircut that screams "everything offends my delicate intersectional sensibilities" from a block away? 1700030;1503031868;Birdman;mike_c thanks very much! one last question though as im pretty illiterate: i downloaded python for winbl0wz, i save that text in the paste to a text file with name, i run python get the command line, what would i type from there specifically? also do i need to unzip files to run it on? 1700031;1503031880;ben_vulpes;that is what we have and that is what nobody wants. 1700032;1503031934;ben_vulpes;which reminds me, i was in $bezzlecorp's offices the other week and found these hysterical signs in the degendered bathrooms reminding folks to put the seats down. 1700033;1503031949;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. 1700034;1503031978;mircea_popescu;how fucking dare they. $100 fine + day docked for chick that fails TO PUT SEAT BACK UP. 1700035;1503031987;mircea_popescu;it's a man's world, you're just visiting, okay ? 1700036;1503032001;ben_vulpes;not here, buddy. 1700037;1503032009;ben_vulpes;pantsuit central 1700038;1503032011;mircea_popescu;you're right, nobody wants what you got. 1700039;1503032025;*;ben_vulpes rests case 1700040;1503032035;ben_vulpes;but hey, the strawberries and cherries are great 1700041;1503032050;mircea_popescu;no, they are not. i just got maraschino cherries in a bag! 1700042;1503032064;phf;what i don't get is why neither party put BOTH SIT AND COVER down, which is sort of the whole purpose of the contraption. 1700043;1503032084;mircea_popescu;phf cover down means "i ate beans, bitch" 1700044;1503032113;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: only maraschino cherries i know come bleached of nature and re-filled with corn syrup and dye 1700045;1503032127;ben_vulpes;the rainiers are to die for though 1700046;1503032128;mircea_popescu;these come from germany (o.O) 1700047;1503032164;ben_vulpes;i had no idea cherries travel well 1700048;1503032166;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you can't beat ro/argentine cherries. for one thing, a gallon is like 8 bux. for the other thing, that gallon is like 5% pits. 1700049;1503032216;ben_vulpes;i was impressed with what little i saw of argentine food that the argentines didn't have the opportunity to screw up 1700050;1503032223;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1700051;1503032230;ben_vulpes;cherries, eggs, steak 1700052;1503032238;ben_vulpes;i don't know shit about horseflesh but they were nice too 1700053;1503032247;ben_vulpes;anything from not-city, i'd hazard 1700054;1503032276;mircea_popescu;crazy thing from c1 (or 2 ? i forget ?) xapo dude was on the way to lavish mp picked restaurant, stops on street to buy who the fuck knows what inedible fast food "because hungry". 1700055;1503032281;mircea_popescu;argentines are broken in the head. 1700056;1503032429;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : girl turned her ankle, i had her slathered in mustard. girl now enticingly like bacon. 1700057;1503032594;ben_vulpes;wat 1700058;1503032613;phf;:D 1700059;1503032717;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700054 << 1 1700060;1503032717;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 04:57 mircea_popescu: crazy thing from c1 (or 2 ? i forget ?) xapo dude was on the way to lavish mp picked restaurant, stops on street to buy who the fuck knows what inedible fast food "because hungry". 1700061;1503032735;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was at 2, and never met sc4md00d 1700062;1503032775;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes best thing for it, what wat. 1700063;1503032818;mircea_popescu;and in other watchers in the rye, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8096161d2455dbb7061487d29f5e688f/tumblr_nbjhidmhhD1tceoigo1_500.gif 1700064;1503032867;ben_vulpes;i had no idea 1700065;1503032896;mircea_popescu;it's either that or lead acetate. which of course you can't buy (anymore) 1700066;1503032940;asciilifeform;lol medicinal pb 1700067;1503032942;mircea_popescu;"sugar of lead" 1700068;1503032950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tru fax. best thing for sprains. 1700069;1503032958;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu have antimony cup in his med chest also 1700070;1503032997;mircea_popescu;fu hater of my encyclopedic medical knowledges. 1700071;1503032997;asciilifeform;( phunphakt -- poorer folx had antimony ~pill~ instead. reusable! ) 1700072;1503033001;Birdman;mike_c on windows i think i needed to save it as a '.pyc' which makes it a compiled python file, though it says 'runtimeerror: bad magic number in .pyc file' 1700073;1503033004;mike_c;Birdman - yes, unzip the files to some directory. Say it's "c:\hands" 1700074;1503033022;mike_c;then from the command line, run "python file_you_made.py c:\hands" 1700075;1503033050;mike_c;save it as .py 1700076;1503033057;mike_c;python compiles it when you run it and makes a .pyc 1700077;1503033274;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in point of fact you could buy lead acetate pills ("apa de plumb") in ro as of 1980s. 1700078;1503033306;mike_c;I'm off for the night. but above instructions should get you running it. 1700079;1503033362;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C75061FBCC2548C93A739AA52D00D842EAE147602EA29A09D76CD8849129F0A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1483...7229 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.154.232.19 (ssh-rsa key from 203.154.232.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (203-154-232-19.inter.net.th. TH) 1700080;1503033362;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C75061FBCC2548C93A739AA52D00D842EAE147602EA29A09D76CD8849129F0A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.154.232.19 (ssh-rsa key from 203.154.232.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (203-154-232-19.inter.net.th. TH) 1700081;1503033538;Birdman;!~later tell mike_c im getting a sintaxerror: incorrect syntax on line 26 1700082;1503033538;jhvh1;Birdman: The operation succeeded. 1700083;1503033586;Birdman;the incorrect syntax apparently being the second quotation mark here print "{0}, {1}, {2}". 1700084;1503033624;Birdman;print "{0}, {1}, {2}".format(filename, active_hand, player) 1700085;1503034225;mircea_popescu;anyway, to make this matter plain as i suspect it has ample potential for misunderstanding : 1700086;1503034255;mircea_popescu;there are two classes of indisputable facts. one is that yes, lead acetate is effectual against sprains. the other is that yes, lead in any form is toxic. 1700087;1503034327;mircea_popescu;now, the fact is that lead is also legally unavailable today. this is not necessarily sorosconspiraci : orcs with very low passive environmental exposure may very well afford a little bit of lead sugar now and again for a sprain. nevertheles, "civilised" ie overexposed pantsuits can nor afford such a thing. 1700088;1503034329;ben_vulpes;Birdman: i don't see the problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kpaOM/?raw=true 1700089;1503034370;mircea_popescu;for them, any bit of lead is toxic, because thye are already overwhelmend by lead-rich environment. and so for them, it doesn't make sense to use lead acetate for sprains, because the costs exceed the benefits. 1700090;1503034387;mircea_popescu;this doesn't mean the benefits aren't present ; nor does it mean their costs are universal costs. it's just what it is. 1700091;1503034436;mircea_popescu;and no, obama didn't do this. the problem was already manifest two centuries ago, in the sense that it's entirely possible beethoven went deaf (a major early symptom of saturnism) due to drinking wines sweetened with the stuff. which was already illegal back then, but then he was a miser. 1700092;1503034438;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C686B012F9E31902E0E0F32E385B84B863CE56CDB6BF46E756277D5BDC64AB1C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1649...0983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.59.215.38 (ssh-rsa key from 37.59.215.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (floss.esle.eu. FR) 1700093;1503034438;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C686B012F9E31902E0E0F32E385B84B863CE56CDB6BF46E756277D5BDC64AB1C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...2019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.59.215.38 (ssh-rsa key from 37.59.215.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (floss.esle.eu. FR) 1700094;1503034453;ben_vulpes;i recall some quality lolz around "poor american blax are violent because their pipes are lead and this inhibits impulse control and intelligence generally" 1700095;1503034468;mircea_popescu;so no, i'm not advocating anyone put lead acetate on his sprain. nro am i implying some sort of evil conspiracy is keeping the good people from the good cures. 1700096;1503034480;mircea_popescu;they're not good cures for them. they used to be, good cures, for other peoples, which they are not. that's it. 1700097;1503034507;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's reallly forcing a point. pipes were lead throughout pipe history, all the romans ever used. 1700098;1503034524;mircea_popescu;anyway : mustard has nothing to do wirth all this, still very effective. 1700099;1503034541;ben_vulpes;what's the mustard mechanism? 1700100;1503034547;mircea_popescu;and the fact remains, official usg.medicine has no TREATMENT for sprains, outside of imobilizatiopn and tramadol. which is not treatment. 1700101;1503034561;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's never been explained. you know, like paracetamol. 1700102;1503034579;Birdman;ben_vulpes i dont understand, thats just the error im getting 1700103;1503034611;mircea_popescu;(fun fact : nobody has a working model of how america's most commonly prescribed drug (tylenol) actually works. it's been around since nazis invented it. but...) 1700104;1503034612;ben_vulpes;Birdman: well you said it had something to do with the second quote, which didn't make any sense 1700105;1503034646;Birdman;oh i assumed that was the case beacause in the command line it points to that second quote with a ^ 1700106;1503034747;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hey on the other hand, i did learn the 'nursemaids elbow' fix the other day 1700107;1503034757;mircea_popescu;oh ? 1700108;1503034818;mircea_popescu;bursitis is not really treatable, outside of the old http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-01#697107 1700109;1503034818;a111;Logged on 2014-06-01 03:06 asciilifeform: 'doctor it hurts when i do that. -- don't do that.' 1700110;1503034840;mircea_popescu;(i could have sworn ~~~I~~~!!! used that story first. alf stealing all my good old country folk stuff!) 1700111;1503034964;ben_vulpes;romping around with kiddo, felt a *click* in his wrist, rapidly sad child who didn't want to use his left arm 1700112;1503034973;mircea_popescu;o nm, it's the elbow luxation in children. i misinterpreted teh words! 1700113;1503035014;ben_vulpes;myeah, that 1700114;1503035020;mircea_popescu;so what did you do ? 1700115;1503035047;ben_vulpes;i went to the doc, doc showed me the various manipulations to effect 1700116;1503035052;mircea_popescu;aha 1700117;1503035057;ben_vulpes;it's a pulling/twisting set of motions 1700118;1503035065;mircea_popescu;like most common pediatric presentation in functional family units, or something like that. 1700119;1503035065;ben_vulpes;"just look it up on youtube if this happens again" 1700120;1503035096;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if you're going to throw kid around , grab above elbow. 1700121;1503035338;*;ben_vulpes has obviously been watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IkPPlF-yaE too much 1700122;1503035370;mircea_popescu;lmao! 1700123;1503035375;mircea_popescu;wtf nonsense bs is this 1700124;1503035423;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes anyway, dun let hosptial visit dissuade. kid is made to be thrown around up to the limit of physical resistance / crying. it's good for it. 1700125;1503035441;ben_vulpes;aya 1700126;1503035467;ben_vulpes;monster dog has been excellent for toughening up the tyke 1700127;1503035502;mircea_popescu;o ya. 1700128;1503035507;ben_vulpes;took a skull to the face the other day. black eye and barely a whimper. 1700129;1503035529;mircea_popescu;dog is perfect for up to 10 or so. then can take it riding. 1700130;1503035546;ben_vulpes;now let me tell you about how delicate the personal-injury lawyer's kid up the street is... 1700131;1503035547;mircea_popescu;then after 16 can go fucking. 1700132;1503035599;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes brewing up the first white football mvp in like a decade eh ? 1700133;1503035619;ben_vulpes;hah as if 1700134;1503035650;mircea_popescu;it's possible! 1700135;1503035663;mircea_popescu;porterhouse steak each day!!1 1700136;1503035741;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdw3OPEk0hQ 1700137;1503035782;mircea_popescu;beef > chicken shit. 1700138;1503035816;ben_vulpes;yes yes 1700139;1503035852;mircea_popescu;anywya. the proper name for what i mean is bistecca fiorentina. 1700140;1503035863;mircea_popescu;thick cut, very raw, maremmana cows. 1700141;1503035878;mircea_popescu;tuscany ftw. 1700142;1503035954;mircea_popescu;(t-bone is the same thing but thin and to the front) 1700143;1503036131;mircea_popescu;(maremmana is the etruscan word for an auroch) 1700144;1503036296;ben_vulpes;i would like to get a half cow next year. 1700145;1503036327;mircea_popescu;to keep where 1700146;1503036340;ben_vulpes;oh you know, boot of the car 1700147;1503036364;mircea_popescu;don't be silly. whoile cattle is for when your dozen women have their thirtieth child or such. 1700148;1503036418;ben_vulpes;the smallholders who raise them in the area inevitably surround the purchase with all sorts of hijinks. "you will come to the farm and we will introduce you to the herd; you and the rest of the half and quarter-purchasers will have a rollicking good time with your and our children dancing and drinking around the fire until the wee hours. room in the barn for all, plus tents outside if that appeals." 1700149;1503036451;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i think horizontal freezer will hold a quarter of an animal 1700150;1503036463;mircea_popescu;but why would you want gray month old meat ? 1700151;1503036558;ben_vulpes;no es un pais pobre :( 1700152;1503036590;ben_vulpes;i am also curious to see how poorly the freeze treats the meat 1700153;1503036629;mircea_popescu;it's perfectly fine if half children's and if still poledancin' hos then girls' too calories come from meat. but this comes to what, 20-30k a week for a young woman with three children, ie about 6kgs ? that's a goat not a cow. 1700154;1503036718;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you're more than welcome to find out on own, but freezer meat is for fridjof nansen's fram, not for people living at homr. 1700155;1503036724;mircea_popescu;home* 1700156;1503037006;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes look into steak aging i guess if you're decided to buy cow timeshares. 1700157;1503037031;mircea_popescu;if you must age it, better age deliberately than letting freezer burn do its worst. 1700158;1503037033;ben_vulpes;not particularly decided yet; still curious 1700159;1503037062;mircea_popescu;only time i bought cows in that manner was when making them thief style for immediate consumption\ 1700160;1503037069;mircea_popescu;(the burried with coals thing) 1700161;1503037129;ben_vulpes;freezerburn's mitigatable tho innit? 1700162;1503037141;mircea_popescu;like syphilis. 1700163;1503037146;ben_vulpes;mitigable i mean 1700164;1503037153;ben_vulpes;lol what, beefcondom? 1700165;1503037225;mircea_popescu;more like, prayer., 1700166;1503037342;ben_vulpes;i'll vacuum pack it!!1! 1700167;1503037369;mircea_popescu;there's no way to make a dead hooker bounce as pleasantly as a live one. that said, vacuum pack away. 1700168;1503037697;mircea_popescu;there's certainly merit in helping the smallholders stay in business. 1700169;1503037748;mircea_popescu;also iirc there are places that'll jerky it for you. 1700170;1503038484;ben_vulpes;tru 1700171;1503039457;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/primorial-zoop << CH - primorial zoop! 1700172;1503046296;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699750 <- possibly at the "advanced" level /stream if that even exists 1700173;1503046296;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 00:22 mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley. 1700174;1503048930;BingoBoingo; im not drunk, im alternately alcoholised. << It's a lifestyle choice! 1700175;1503061796;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700087 << not clear that there is any 'reasonable' dose of pb - mimics ca, and never really leaves the eater 1700176;1503061796;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 05:32 mircea_popescu: now, the fact is that lead is also legally unavailable today. this is not necessarily sorosconspiraci : orcs with very low passive environmental exposure may very well afford a little bit of lead sugar now and again for a sprain. nevertheles, "civilised" ie overexposed pantsuits can nor afford such a thing. 1700177;1503061926;mircea_popescu;it's lead not strontium. anyway, lead is not found in diet outside of civilisation, and microgram does are experimentally safe. so : the first microgram of lead is free. 1700178;1503061928;asciilifeform;'not yet detectable saturnism' dun mean 'harmless dose'. just as 'not yet acute radiation sickness' dun mean 'lower gamma does 0' 1700179;1503061943;mircea_popescu;but it means EXACTLY that. 1700180;1503061953;mircea_popescu;people and clams alike survive background radiation without ill effect. 1700181;1503061978;asciilifeform;'just about everybody who lives long enough, gets cancer' is 'no ill effect' ?! 1700182;1503061997;mircea_popescu;like what, catfish ? shrimp ? lobster ? 1700183;1503062009;asciilifeform;they dun live long enough, do they 1700184;1503062031;asciilifeform;( nor does man live the 200 yrs where background radiation would be the obvious explanation for all of his ills ) 1700185;1503062031;mircea_popescu;"just about everybody gets cancer" is the american way, nothing else. "improved quality of life" ie higher density sardine packages at the cost of quality. 1700186;1503062034;mircea_popescu;also the american way. 1700187;1503062079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on occasion they do, there's now and again an ancient fish or mollusc turned up. they don't really die in the usual sense. 1700188;1503062193;asciilifeform;historically background of the seawater was quite low (vs land) 1700189;1503062209;asciilifeform;this is no longer so, and i suspect that the last 200yr turtle has already died. 1700190;1503062271;mircea_popescu;i'm not aware of such disparity (we're not talking km ocean depths here.). possibly died, but i expect through chemical rather than radio toxicity. 1700191;1503062369;mircea_popescu;(fun fact -- lead poisoning is mostly an african reality these days. nigerians lead the pack in topical research) 1700192;1503062370;asciilifeform;upstack -- pb is a cumulative poison. the tetraethyl pb in petrol was , quite possibly , a collective 'few points iq' drop for all of europe. 1700193;1503062381;mircea_popescu;that is so. 1700194;1503062395;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least cars were slightly quieter! 1700195;1503062421;asciilifeform;phunphakt -- private small-aviation still 100% tetraethylpb powered 1700196;1503062431;asciilifeform;even in usa 1700197;1503062443;asciilifeform;the leaded petrol wagon goes right by asciilifeform's house, on its way to the airport 1700198;1503062456;mircea_popescu;heh 1700199;1503062457;asciilifeform;( plastered in osha warnings, no less ) 1700200;1503062502;asciilifeform;harsh reality : afaik nobody ever came up with anything like an effective replacement 1700201;1503062517;mircea_popescu;eh get out, TESLA HAS ELECTRIC ENGINE! 1700202;1503062543;asciilifeform;the 1 electric-engined plane that lifted a man, hangs in the museum here, as a curiosity 1700203;1503062546;mircea_popescu;and they're looking into bubberand-powered trains, too! 1700204;1503062578;asciilifeform;( it was a massive flyingwing apparatus, covered in solar cell, $maxint ) 1700205;1503062609;asciilifeform;payload was : pilot's arse 1700206;1503062610;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno man, electric powered balloon not so expensive :D 1700207;1503062623;asciilifeform;let's straight to atomic dirigible!!111! 1700208;1503062649;*;asciilifeform brb, tea 1700209;1503062748;mircea_popescu;!!up valica 1700210;1503062748;deedbot;valica voiced for 30 minutes. 1700211;1503063364;valica;ty for voicing me, mircea_popescu. I will create a pgp key as soon as I will have something to say. 1700212;1503063376;mircea_popescu;works. 1700213;1503063954;mod6;mornin' 1700214;1503063979;mircea_popescu;hola 1700215;1503064071;mod6;:] 1700216;1503065664;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700026 << in teh morning mp wishes to state that while the harem arrangement, however understood, is not to be discarded out of hand, nevertheless it can't possibly be the correct solution for everyone everywhere all the time. specificity of, you've guessed it, diddling! 1700217;1503065664;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 04:47 ben_vulpes: and in the morning i will still be a married man 1700218;1503066194;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/20/486/large_000000.jpg << cheap central casting extra in san fernando valley preparing to shoot girlname-something-something-SS ? or legitimate majesty ? 1700219;1503066273;mod6;cheap extra 1700220;1503066281;mircea_popescu;umberto 2. 1700221;1503066373;mod6;ah, last king of italy. 1700222;1503066378;mircea_popescu;yea 1700223;1503066428;shinohai;`I wish I had a pencil-thin mustache...` 1700224;1503066479;mircea_popescu;"and nose ridges on my sleeves" 1700225;1503066558;shinohai;I shall defeat that scoundrel Guliano once and for all! 1700226;1503067028;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that ain't an ss uniform 1700227;1503067046;mircea_popescu;you don't know how nazi pr0ns go do you. 1700228;1503067072;asciilifeform;dunno that it's even german. 1700229;1503067078;mircea_popescu;it's not. 1700230;1503067089;asciilifeform;not with the eagle. 1700231;1503072677;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0DCB1A779F686C1321084D2E0261EE39558AC3590D8CA18BF2DEDFA3FFFEFF4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1352...7939 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.38.138.112 (ssh-rsa key from 208.38.138.112 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1700232;1503072677;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0DCB1A779F686C1321084D2E0261EE39558AC3590D8CA18BF2DEDFA3FFFEFF4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1546...3197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.38.138.112 (ssh-rsa key from 208.38.138.112 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1700233;1503074967;BingoBoingo; this is no longer so, and i suspect that the last 200yr turtle has already died. << Occasionally 600 year lobster and 500 year bivalve are still found 1700234;1503075053;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: heavy beasts are bioconcentrators 1700235;1503075170;BingoBoingo;So are plants and kiloyear trees live along with 10-100 kilo year clonal groves 1700236;1503075228;asciilifeform;animals strictly 1700237;1503075285;BingoBoingo;Trees get cancers 1700238;1503075426;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82106CD7C086FB1E5B4C071724F1E3060BD1FDD1F48151F810A8BBC6C858CB67 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1419...0413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.128.177.61 (ssh-rsa key from 195.128.177.61 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (61.177.128.195.in-addr.arpa. IL) 1700239;1503075426;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82106CD7C086FB1E5B4C071724F1E3060BD1FDD1F48151F810A8BBC6C858CB67 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1741...8967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.128.177.61 (ssh-rsa key from 195.128.177.61 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (61.177.128.195.in-addr.arpa. IL) 1700240;1503075523;ben_vulpes;in other smart devices: https://twitter.com/nke_ise/status/897756900753891328 1700241;1503075725;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 1700242;1503087462;mircea_popescu;aaand rsa early spec updated as per http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122689 1700243;1503087467;mircea_popescu;apparently maffs are hard. 1700244;1503087549;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the point is interesting. plants do indeed get cancers ; but because plant cells do not travel in the anima's body at all, plant cancers aren't terribly agressive (so wouldn't normally kill the plant). nevertheless, very valid point, can readily study impact of background radiation on cell division by inspecting the monoclonal grooves. 1700245;1503088620;PeterL;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4VEu5/?raw=true << Tada! I got the reverse mpfhf hash to work. 1700246;1503089404;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699750 << I actually have a version of the euler's sieve method sitting in the file I pulled the isPrime function out of the other day when I was calculating the primorial 1700247;1503089404;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 00:22 mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley. 1700248;1503089581;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699952 << the other day I marinated some pork pieces in the juices of a freshly squeezed lemon, about a quarter cup of Michigan maple syrup, some crushed red peper flakes, and salt and pepper. Turned out pretty tasty on the grill. 1700249;1503089581;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 04:02 mircea_popescu: anyone want to share his bbq marinade recipe ? 1700250;1503089674;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700048 << we get some yummy cherries here in Michigan too 1700251;1503089674;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 04:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you can't beat ro/argentine cherries. for one thing, a gallon is like 8 bux. for the other thing, that gallon is like 5% pits. 1700252;1503091711;mircea_popescu;PeterL wd! 1700253;1503091743;mircea_popescu;PeterL the reason she stated primes as 6k+-1 is because 80% of numbers are divisible by 2 or 3, and it makes no sense to check them. 1700254;1503091783;mircea_popescu;but in any case, e's sieve was erathostenes' in my line. 1700255;1503091918;mircea_popescu;(the ancient original, cut out nth number, everfy 2nd from 2 every 3rd from 3 etc. euler's sieve is "take out a number, multiply the remainder of the list by that number, take out all the items in first list found also in second". which is faster yes, a generalisation of the 6k+-1 thing.) 1700256;1503091978;mircea_popescu;(euler actually came up with that doing the riemann zeta function product) 1700257;1503092102;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a lot of work that went into this "program needs list of prime for initialization" thing back when people still actually put thought and work into computers. see wheel factorization etc if curious. 1700258;1503092249;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! all outstanding fg orders SHIPPED today 1700259;1503092755;PeterL;oops, I had the wrong e! 1700260;1503092845;PeterL;I actually meant I had a version of erathostenes sieve 1700261;1503092868;mircea_popescu;a 1700262;1503092873;mircea_popescu;well, they both made sieves. 1700263;1503092978;PeterL;did you take a look at my reverse hash thing, does it all make sense? 1700264;1503093078;mircea_popescu;anyway, the relationship between "unit covering functions", riemann's work and fundamental number (set) properties is one of those things that tend to make people entirely disinterested in "deductive government" a la http://trilema.com/2017/because-thats-just-how-things-are/#selection-259.147-259.253 once grokked. 1700265;1503093089;mircea_popescu;which grokking, admittedly, doesn't happen in 90% of the population. 1700266;1503093104;mircea_popescu;PeterL not yet. but i shall. 1700267;1503093112;PeterL;ok, no rush 1700268;1503093113;*;asciilifeform would like to see expansion of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699949 when mircea_popescu has moar time an' juice 1700269;1503093113;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty. 1700270;1503093231;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think about it along the lines of http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#selection-47.0-47.101 1700271;1503093254;asciilifeform;i dun immediately see how it connects 1700272;1503093269;mircea_popescu;at stage n, when bitcoin exists, curtis yarvin is too stupid to understand why it's much bigger than him ; and the mental efforts of marginal retard are just about comensurate with the sub dollar value of a coin. 1700273;1503093293;mircea_popescu;as things go on, the quality ratchets, and lo and behold : bioscum that was still functional by yest's criteria is no longer apt today. 1700274;1503093334;mircea_popescu;consider how the republic works, it's the same thing : at some point in tmsr history, nubbins could qualify to participate. at some later point, adlai couldn't manage to pass the bar. 1700275;1503093338;asciilifeform;well yes. but how does it help ~us~ that redditus things 'i'd buy some btc but it'll evaporate off my box anyway because no sane wallet' 1700276;1503093342;asciilifeform;*thinks 1700277;1503093350;mircea_popescu;kids who were perfectly fine leisure companions when you were 6 became intolerable drags when you were 10. 1700278;1503093378;mircea_popescu;because at age 6 the difference between you and average had unfolded to a term of x, whereas in a further four years it had unfolded to a further y, x ^ n as it may be. 1700279;1503093398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what the retard "thinks" is of no consequence in any way. 1700280;1503093435;asciilifeform;as i see it, saner tools lead to more http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth - ing, and faster death for enemy 1700281;1503093444;mircea_popescu;no argument. 1700282;1503093469;mircea_popescu;but there's different bars to 1. hold bitcoin ; 2. productively employ bitcoin ; 3. productively work on bitcoin code ; 4. participate in tmsr. 1700283;1503093488;mircea_popescu;these are all different things. yes the mental bar for 1 should plateau eventually ; but this does not qualify the qualified to 2 or 3 or 4. 1700284;1503093539;asciilifeform;i dun see how anyone might think that it would 1700285;1503093555;mircea_popescu;whereas retard braions leak, because that's the definition of retard, and then mpoe-pr has to pen psas about "hey, retards, you being qualified for 1 and thinking you're qualified for 2 threatens the very fucking market" 1700286;1503093584;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, you might not see how anyone might think, but then again you'll be stuck explaining 2012 tardstalk. 1700287;1503093604;asciilifeform;as i see it, redditus buying ( or better, TUPW-ing ) some btc and then throwing his key into /dev/null, is ~also~ a productive-use-of-bitcoin 1700288;1503093622;asciilifeform;but not as productive as not-losing, because disincentivises repeat shots 1700289;1503093627;mircea_popescu;not ~ONLY~ everyone thought 1 means 2, but the same "everyone" thought i'm "arrogant" or w/e, "psychopath" for saying things like "you are not qualified" 1700290;1503093649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the retard does not ever do that. what the retard does is herd. 1700291;1503093671;mircea_popescu;it's basicalyl a blind seeking of hillaries, they herd as a behaviou searching the environment space for a pantsuit to "lead them" into welfare statism. 1700292;1503093722;mircea_popescu;so no, poor people not owing any money is not a problem. it is in fact the fundamental guarantee ~REQUIRED~ by any sound financial system, much like atmosphere is required for auricular function. 1700293;1503093741;asciilifeform;one of the fuels of welfarism is the 0 experience typical d00d has with money-that-dun-evaporate-by-itself 1700294;1503093748;mircea_popescu;as per the ancient "i sold my shares once the soubrette i was fucking on the side started talking shares with the bootblack" 1700295;1503093749;asciilifeform;sane wallet would go some way to curing this condition. 1700296;1503093774;mircea_popescu;i do not believe so. 1700297;1503093813;diana_coman;asciilifeform, fwiw I have yet to see even 1 single person cured of their stupidity by the existence of sanity in the world 1700298;1503093822;mircea_popescu;yes, sane wallet would be useful as part of baleen system to extract not-retarded individual somehow unaware/lost among the retards. 1700299;1503093831;mircea_popescu;but there is no education of the human race generally, nor any benefit in trying. 1700300;1503093852;asciilifeform;getting the pb out of the water won't, naturally, wholly cure stupidity. but still worth doing. 1700301;1503093867;mircea_popescu;nothing will cure stupidity but the grave. 1700302;1503093868;diana_coman;certainly worth doing 1700303;1503093888;*;mircea_popescu is entirely not against doing, but better to do with reasonable expectations. 1700304;1503093891;diana_coman;just nothing to do with curing anyone in itself, that's all 1700305;1503093900;asciilifeform;and at the very least help to kill the various goxes, which thrive on 'i have 100k $usd to buy btc, but not the 500k to keep team of nonwinblowz experts around to refrigerate the btc' 1700306;1503093909;mircea_popescu;nothing will kill the various goxes. 1700307;1503093918;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~everything~ goes better with reasonable-expectations. 1700308;1503093931;mircea_popescu;they exist for the above stated reason. you understand that before they had pantsuits, they had little figurines they dressed up and promenaded around town ? 1700309;1503093980;mircea_popescu;1817 sicilians still did it as in 817 and 183 bc. traditional society, which means, they don't change THE FORMS of the stupidity. still dumb as rocks. 1700310;1503094000;asciilifeform;that redditus is dumb-as-rock is beyond dispute 1700311;1503094014;asciilifeform;q was whether less-losable btc 'floats all boats' or not. 1700312;1503094019;mircea_popescu;not that part is in contention. but that this has NEVER changed, nor ever will. 1700313;1503094026;mircea_popescu;some are born to endless night, and just as many today as ever. 1700314;1503094068;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform less-losable btc does not float all boats, in the exact manner public school literacy doesn't float all boats ; or "Everyone learns lisp" floats all boats. 1700315;1503094075;mircea_popescu;you'll just have a larger load of idiots. 1700316;1503094113;asciilifeform;if that means a 500k-usd btc, what's the problem ? 1700317;1503094119;asciilifeform;let the idiots do what they are good at -- being meat 1700318;1503094181;mircea_popescu;consider the case of mehmed and alt-mehmed. now, mehmed has the historically accurate cannons which 4% of the time blow up and kill some servants. whereas alt-murat has the imaginary alt-cannons which still 4% of the time blow up naturally, and also include a "blow up" button, which, if depressed, 4% of the time blows up in the same way. 1700319;1503094200;mircea_popescu;would you propose a transition from alt-mehmed to mehmed would improve the soldiery quality of the turkish janissary ? 1700320;1503094214;asciilifeform;waitasec -- where does alt-murat come in 1700321;1503094228;mircea_popescu;"less blowable cannons" yes ? 1700322;1503094233;asciilifeform;( i read ' mehmet, alt-murat, and aht-mehmet ' 1700323;1503094234;asciilifeform;) 1700324;1503094236;asciilifeform;*alt 1700325;1503094247;mircea_popescu;sorry mehmet throughout 1700326;1503094251;asciilifeform;aite 1700327;1503094267;asciilifeform;is this a case of 'we have packaged the defective transistors separately!' ? 1700328;1503094270;mircea_popescu;quite. 1700329;1503094287;mircea_popescu;the notion that the price of btc / the fall of constantinople / etc hjave anything to do with this is so much lulz. 1700330;1503094312;mircea_popescu;the dollar at sub bitcent per thousand or per trillion has nothing to do with what the idiots do or what happens to the idiots. 1700331;1503094350;asciilifeform;as it is it is the sane-but-humble folx ( who understand that their winblowz box does not make a reasonable btctron, but haven't 20yrs to live life again to make something else ) who are pushed away. i dun see the win. 1700332;1503094353;mircea_popescu;what matters is whether there's one lord or ten assassinating usg drones etc. not random joe blow. not AT ALL. 1700333;1503094366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the win is that we don't support them. 1700334;1503094387;mircea_popescu;consider the sad case of djb to see the great win of NOT wasting your resources. 1700335;1503094410;asciilifeform;i dun see the win in the inca getting whatever remains of their labour 1700336;1503094426;mircea_popescu;moreover, your model veers dangerously close to "sane but poor". there is no such thing as "respectable poor". the poor are scum. substantially. 1700337;1503094433;mircea_popescu;if they wish to cease being scum, let them get off windows or w/e. 1700338;1503094448;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because their labour is worthj a negative sum of money. 1700339;1503094504;asciilifeform;i dun see this universal. consider (they exist) a skilled surgeon, willing to work 'off the books' for btc but he HASN'T the 20yrs to get off winblowz. 1700340;1503094518;mircea_popescu;you understand this ? "opening" code so that blackchixcode can "contribute" "their" ideas is not improving the code. it's actually introducing a cost, of the magnitude of running a free buffett for crack whores. 1700341;1503094525;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fuck him. 1700342;1503094526;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the sane-but-humble folx you speak of simply ask nicely and humbly someone who knows better and gather around those rather than "being pushed away" 1700343;1503094530;asciilifeform;i dun see the 'opening of code' here 1700344;1503094545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform great surgeon makes as good a harem slave as any other pole dancer. 1700345;1503094565;trinque;were in rome, eh? 1700346;1503094570;mircea_popescu;we're in rome. 1700347;1503094571;asciilifeform;how many surgeons with 20y of handwork in mircea_popescu's harem ? 1700348;1503094595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not an argument. so the surgeon you speak of is either inexistent or too dumb for his own good. what of it ? 1700349;1503094611;asciilifeform;there's plenty. they're 50+y.o. d00dz ~without exception. 1700350;1503094628;mircea_popescu;let them learn teh brass tacks. 1700351;1503094665;mircea_popescu;there's no way out of this. there will NEVER be such a thing as respectable poverty. it's called slavery, and the poor that aren't slaves are in open rebellion against god, nature, and everything good right and proper. 1700352;1503094668;mircea_popescu;plus ginger and spices. 1700353;1503094689;diana_coman;my understanding is that asciilifeform talks basically of those who are too old to keep up, pretty much 1700354;1503094705;mircea_popescu;there's no saving the arbitrarily old. 1700355;1503094726;mircea_popescu;there never was. let them take the tsar's portrait to their grave and that'll be an end to that. 1700356;1503094756;asciilifeform;i wasn't even speaking of ~saving~ them, lol. but of the notion that their usd piles could end up in btc market rather than going back to inca so he can pantsuitate. 1700357;1503094779;mircea_popescu;the limit to the capital outflows is not the "individual" decisions of the incans lmao. 1700358;1503094784;mircea_popescu;you imagine this is how it fucking works ?! 1700359;1503094787;asciilifeform;as it presently stands, their usd and whatever negotiables, go to inca, just as surely as the mains current goes back into socket 1700360;1503094806;mircea_popescu;i don't believe this view to be factually supported. 1700361;1503094825;asciilifeform;recall the thread that spawned TUPW ? 1700362;1503094843;mircea_popescu;i dun even recal wtf tupw is 1700363;1503094848;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676200 1700364;1503094848;a111;Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. " 1700365;1503094856;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's 'the universal plan for wealth' 1700366;1503094861;mircea_popescu;ah ah! 1700367;1503094862;mircea_popescu;go on ? 1700368;1503094921;asciilifeform;what's to go on ? i dun see how more wealth (regardless how and where distributed) being in inca-confiscateable form, vs. less, could be a win 1700369;1503094931;asciilifeform;let there be 0. 1700370;1503094941;mircea_popescu;you understand that "inca" is not a thing, yes ? 1700371;1503094950;asciilifeform;nope 1700372;1503094963;mircea_popescu;ah then that's the core of the dispute. 1700373;1503094976;mircea_popescu;let's consider the following lived experience : 1700374;1503094980;asciilifeform;inca is very much a thing -- same thing as the nazi guard who keeps 5000 penned in with schmeisser with just 100 rounds in it 1700375;1503095028;mircea_popescu;at time t (=9th grade) all girls in "community" found themselves in agreement sucking cock is gross. at time t' (=12 grade) all girls in "community" found themselves in agreement only peasant girls don't suck the cock. 1700376;1503095039;mircea_popescu;we shall here call the ideology at time t "inca" and at t' "tmsr". 1700377;1503095054;mircea_popescu;now. what exactly can inca "confiscate" and why ? 1700378;1503095082;asciilifeform;the gurlz are neither here nor there, may just as easily say that 'they were formerly in agreement to be 1.5metres tall, then agreed to be 1.8' 1700379;1503095090;mircea_popescu;aha! 1700380;1503095104;mircea_popescu;inca can't confiscate jack, lol. 1700381;1503095149;asciilifeform;tell that to the folx (e.g. the soldiers paid the iraq bonus, that was retro-cancelled recently) with the 0'd bank accts, marched from 'their' house under guard, etc 1700382;1503095204;mircea_popescu;i am telling! 1700383;1503095210;mircea_popescu;don't deal with inca, lol, it's all dust! 1700384;1503095255;asciilifeform;the gold bar that inca can't take off your corpse, is called btc 1700385;1503095255;mircea_popescu;your idea is very feminine, you know, "i met this crook, and he told me ia cu mustar mimisor ca face bine la ten and that he'll marry me. so i imagined myself practically married. and then he didn't marry me. so he confiscated my marriedness!" 1700386;1503095259;mircea_popescu;what is this, being blonde ? 1700387;1503095299;asciilifeform;i dun follow 1700388;1503095304;mircea_popescu;the whole "inca promise is liquidated when made and therefore when not kept it is confiscation not scamming" is pretty lulzy. 1700389;1503095330;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing was confiscated because there was nothing THEY HAD! 1700390;1503095360;mircea_popescu;if i promise you a talking donkey and a cunt on your forehead in 2020, and you don't get them, this means i confiscated a talking donkey and a forehead cunt ? 1700391;1503095390;asciilifeform;describing usd as a 'unit of nothing' is a stretch 1700392;1503095400;asciilifeform;today it buys various. 1700393;1503095435;mircea_popescu;describing the masturbation of units of nothing as "buying something" is a stretch. 1700394;1503095439;asciilifeform;( for historical reasons, but they will take a while to go away, reichsmarks circulated in the late '40s still ) 1700395;1503095499;mircea_popescu;and you know i'm right, because soviet distributed goods in the exact same manner, and ppl... didn't "pay" units of nothing for them. and this had no impact whatsoever. 1700396;1503095527;asciilifeform;goods not distributed in a lolmart ( e.g. fg factory run ) still denominated in usd. 1700397;1503095531;mircea_popescu;and you further know i'm right because you're welcome to "buy" the 3 ring binder they have, not the computer you want. 1700398;1503095548;asciilifeform;the cost of wanted-computer is still in usd. sadly. 1700399;1503095556;mircea_popescu;only cuz that's how you think. 1700400;1503095586;mircea_popescu;the little nigerian girl dreaming of a flying pony, barefoot under the banana tree may well be denominated in fucking pula for all it matters. 1700401;1503095593;asciilifeform;it is how the raw material suppliers think. i, working with hands, am not at liberty to get on the atomic dirigible of dreams and think entirely differently. 1700402;1503095614;mircea_popescu;it is very much not how they think, but it is how they speak. 1700403;1503095617;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is welcome to convince'em that a btc is worth 100x the units it presently buys. i'll clap. 1700404;1503095642;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu amusingly has. nsa made the worst deal in history by you know, buying parts and then trying to sell them as a result. 1700405;1503095658;mircea_popescu;iirc we bought them when dollar was 10x. 1700406;1503095679;asciilifeform;in this light, doing anything whatsoever other than 'hodling' is raw deal. 1700407;1503095708;asciilifeform;( and btc would then live up to the reputation as strictly pyramidal cock-pulling adventure ) 1700408;1503095744;mircea_popescu;yes. but that's not under dispute, the "convince them" part is. they were convinced, and it didn't even take that much in terms of machine gun chains. 1700409;1503095807;asciilifeform;lol 1700410;1503095825;mircea_popescu;fortunately, there's no kako-nubbins party to argue that hey, as btc price is chiefly supported by the republic, which has a lot to do with mp, it is therefore mp's job to idemnify "the users" as imagined by kako-nubbins for "this loss" resulting from his you know, unauthorized use of resources for purposes not priorly reported to the almightyly important kako-nubbins party! 1700411;1503095875;asciilifeform;that 'philosophy' never really made sense to asciilifeform , even from psychiatric pov -- coin is owner's to blow as he feels like 1700412;1503095898;asciilifeform;shouldn't take much brain, to grasp this 1700413;1503095906;mircea_popescu;no but we're all under a discreet obligation to promote the herdemocracy! everything else is theft and corruption and racism and so on! 1700414;1503095974;asciilifeform;but hey, if mircea_popescu gets haetmail for not propping up btc to 1mil obummerbux per, asciilifeform gets 'you suck, why not derived constanttime gcd yet' , wonder what other folx get 1700415;1503095976;mircea_popescu;anyway, rolling back up this many branched loop : there is nothing to be gained by mentally denominating capital in uniform standard dosidoes, nor by mentally denominating labour in redditard. 1700416;1503096020;mircea_popescu;because usd doesan't buy you anything you actually want ; and redditard can't make anything you actually want. 1700417;1503096031;mircea_popescu;yes they buy and make some things. this is of the nature and substance of clouds. 1700418;1503096035;asciilifeform;take redditard as a container -- why shouldn't however many 'tidebux' he has squirreled away, chase scarce btc in market ? 1700419;1503096042;mircea_popescu;because he hasn't. 1700420;1503096057;asciilifeform;most have > 0 . 1700421;1503096062;mircea_popescu;why shouldn't whatever spare cycles his brain has be used to improve tmsr-rsa ? 1700422;1503096067;asciilifeform;( many fewer than they think -- but >0 ) 1700423;1503096068;mircea_popescu;because... he doesn't have any! 1700424;1503096074;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not valid comparison 1700425;1503096080;asciilifeform;brain cycle ain't cumulative 1700426;1503096081;asciilifeform;gold is. 1700427;1503096083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your notion of money is broken in that you misunderstand its materiality. 1700428;1503096106;mircea_popescu;goldbug looks at bar of gold, thinks "value here", you look at benjie think "value here". this is however not so, capital is an abstract not a concrete item. 1700429;1503096120;asciilifeform;mno i get it , on mars it dun buy nuffin 1700430;1503096127;mircea_popescu;not even that, mars. 1700431;1503096128;asciilifeform;but we are not (yet) on mars. 1700432;1503096138;asciilifeform;though approaching rapidly. 1700433;1503096139;mircea_popescu;let us look into this more productively : 1700434;1503096176;mircea_popescu;consider : 1. large corporation, worth 1 trillion. analyst expected profit year end is 75 billion. company beats, makes 76 billion. 1700435;1503096210;mircea_popescu;2. small start-up, worth 1 million. analyst expected profit year end is -300k. company beats, makes 999 bn 999 million 700k. 1700436;1503096246;mircea_popescu;both these items made the same unexpected billion. nevertheless, in the case of 1 this will be discounted to about a third of its value, resulting in minor share appreciation c.p. 1700437;1503096273;mircea_popescu;whereas in case 2 it will be put at so massively a premium so as to make 2 stock outstanding worth more than 1's. 1700438;1503096312;mircea_popescu;this is because the "same" money is discounted on the basis of "in whose hands it finds itself" -- the 1 people are expected to lose most of it under couch cushions ; the 2 people are expected to take over the world with that scrawny one billion. 1700439;1503096314;mircea_popescu;see the logic ? 1700440;1503096318;mircea_popescu;money is not material. 1700441;1503096327;asciilifeform;2 would be seen as 'swan' or how did it go, and is not in same class and dun go in same sentence as 1 1700442;1503096341;mircea_popescu;FOR THE REASON that the implicit discount on its money is different. 1700443;1503096353;mircea_popescu;or in the immortal words of some schmuck, "nah. if i give you 50k now i'm wasting it". 1700444;1503096434;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700435 << i mean "999.7 mn" obviously. they both make the same. 1700445;1503096434;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 22:43 mircea_popescu: 2. small start-up, worth 1 million. analyst expected profit year end is -300k. company beats, makes 999 bn 999 million 700k. 1700446;1503096463;asciilifeform;no i get it 1700447;1503096467;mircea_popescu;cool. 1700448;1503096504;mircea_popescu;the only reason everyday joe doesn't encounter capital discounts is because a) too small and b) too stupid. otherwise even someone running a small video rental comprehends the difference between accounts receivable depending on from whom, and so on. 1700449;1503096580;mircea_popescu;whjole fucking point of investing, at least in the buffett understanding of it (apolitical, or in his case naively copacetic-political, columbia floating over farmer drawn hills) is to identify the corps with the most favourable capital discounts and to buy those while selling their opposites. 1700450;1503096628;asciilifeform;identify / create, neh 1700451;1503096660;mircea_popescu;obviously the burlington discussion is very much apropos here : http://trilema.com/2015/so-im-going-to-be-a-total-asshole-for-a-moment-here/#selection-921.0-929.476 1700452;1503096719;mircea_popescu;the important parts : spent 200 per share to go from 60 to... 68. 1700453;1503096729;asciilifeform;or the 'what's the roi of a tank battallion' thread 1700454;1503096731;mircea_popescu;that's a 96% discount on capital. 1700455;1503096779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well no, tank batallion is a different story. this is a textile maker, it has no further productive externalities than what it gets for cloth 1700456;1503096813;asciilifeform;same dynamic though, qualitatively -- once you have no textile production capacity, you're stuck in the comical position of trying to buy own uniform from the enemy 1700457;1503096826;asciilifeform;( where, incidentally, is american uniform made ? ) 1700458;1503096834;mircea_popescu;now you understand why inca is no actual problem, nor its redditards worth courting. 1700459;1503097060;asciilifeform;i still think the current wallet state-of-art to be a ridiculous thing. 1700460;1503097066;mircea_popescu;no argument there. 1700461;1503097087;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> let them learn teh brass tacks. << everyone has to, ya. 1700462;1503097091;mircea_popescu;yea. 1700463;1503097217;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/FjGf5 << in other lulz , usg : 'stop using non-usg-licensed faux-antiusgware' 1700464;1503097229;mircea_popescu;lolwut! 1700465;1503097236;asciilifeform;'The FBI has been briefing private sector companies on intelligence claiming to show that the Moscow-based cybersecurity company Kaspersky Lab is an unacceptable threat to national security...' 1700466;1503097245;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1700467;1503097272;mircea_popescu;not cisco right ? that's good. 1700468;1503097275;asciilifeform;'That followed the General Services Administration removing Kaspersky from an approved-vendors list in early July and a congressional push to pass a law that would ban Kaspersky from being used by the Department of Defense.' 1700469;1503097277;asciilifeform;noshit 1700470;1503097312;asciilifeform;( notice how cisco is 'in business as usual', wholly disconnected from whether any actual people would even conceive of buying from it ) 1700471;1503097362;mircea_popescu;anyway, transparend qpq seeing how microsoft is losing the global battle for relevancy. 1700472;1503097378;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. maybe they merge with mtgox. 1700473;1503097412;asciilifeform;losing global battle << waiwat did somebody cough up a non-phdassemblyline nonmicroshitian comp while asciilifeform slept ? 1700474;1503097423;asciilifeform;because i must've missed. 1700475;1503097436;mircea_popescu;vaguer than that. 1700476;1503097601;mod6;solid l0g 1700477;1503097638;mircea_popescu;hehe 1700478;1503097749;mod6;<+asciilifeform> in this light, doing anything whatsoever other than 'hodling' is raw deal. << there are exceptions 1700479;1503097810;mod6;but mostly, the savings rate far exceeds the yield of capatal allocation; which is obvious. and will stay that way for sometime as fiats -> 0. someday, that'll be different. 1700480;1503098439;mircea_popescu;seems to be obvious and necessarily true, iunasmuch as bitcoin has 100% of the world savings market share and about a millionth of a percent of the world capital allocation market share. 1700481;1503098483;mircea_popescu;just like if on an imaginary island you had a farm that produced all the milk but none of the meat, the return would be mostly in milk and not much in meat. 1700482;1503098666;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in reddit lands great productivities per hectare are reported : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsSojyftu04 1700483;1503099055;mircea_popescu;and in better hos and gardens, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1ad1c31690a5432f09b589e6271e10ba/tumblr_nvu3m44KEo1ss5yijo1_1280.jpg 1700484;1503099395;mod6;i aspire to get that periodical 1700485;1503101584;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG panzers!! trb node 'zoolag' is back in business, this time as ordinary linux box -- syncing from 0 . same ip as prev. 1700486;1503101911;shinohai;nice asciilifeform 1700487;1503107157;mike_c;Birdman - are you using python 2 or 3? what does it say when you run "python --version" 1700488;1503107165;mike_c;!!v Birdman 1700489;1503107185;mike_c;!!up Birdman 1700490;1503107185;deedbot;Birdman voiced for 30 minutes. 1700491;1503107196;mike_c;all my outdated bot commands 1700492;1503107228;mike_c;!!gettrust Birdman 1700493;1503107228;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections. 1700494;1503107272;Birdman;python 3.6 (32 bit) and if i run that it brings me to a command prompt pretty much 1700495;1503107297;mike_c;ok. it's a syntax error because the script was written for python 2, not 3. easy to change though, hang on. 1700496;1503107304;Birdman;ah ok ok ty 1700497;1503107389;mircea_popescu;and to go with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696456 : wikiprop dept has a chapter on spain, "economic recovery (2014-)". because totally. 1700498;1503107389;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 09:50 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : usg.wikipedia agitprop has an open ended article on propaganda truths : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_financial_crisis_%282014%E2%80%932017%29 1700499;1503107405;mircea_popescu;the notion that spain has or could ever fucking recover... 1700500;1503107430;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/f06580c8ffcffc0ed52ca83472f54250/tumblr_nt56ou8mpS1uohfy9o1_500.gif << spain, for illustration purposes. 1700501;1503107449;mike_c;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Lq0de/?raw=true 1700502;1503107453;mike_c;Birdman ^ 1700503;1503107462;Birdman;`much appreciation 1700504;1503107793;Birdman;mike_c so it went through all these hands and says it processed ~30k of them, but what am i actually looking at here? the hands it lists in the prompt are the ones that the discrepency is found? 1700505;1503107830;mike_c;the output is bad hands. it's comma separated - filename,hand#,player_that_is_not_in_summary 1700506;1503109139;asciilifeform;!#s bannon 1700507;1503109139;a111;30 results for "bannon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bannon 1700508;1503109164;mircea_popescu;did he get shot ? 1700509;1503109171;mike_c;!!up Birdman 1700510;1503109172;deedbot;Birdman voiced for 30 minutes. 1700511;1503109177;mike_c;working for you? anything you want changed? 1700512;1503109184;asciilifeform;'After his ouster from the West Wing on Friday, ex-White House chief strategist Steve Bannon declared the Trump presidency that his brand of populist, right-wing conservatives helped make a reality is "over."' 1700513;1503109211;mircea_popescu;aww 1700514;1503109386;Birdman;so i went through and deleted all the tournaments cause those are not relevant, and i got seemingly different results. I think maybe its displaying less than all the hands it has found? i only saw four cash game hands the first time, deleted all the tournaments, and now i see a ton of cash game hands 1700515;1503109402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sacked 1700516;1503109473;mircea_popescu;aha. in today's re-runs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607670 1700517;1503109473;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 19:29 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends on how good a job bannon does. 1700518;1503109491;Birdman;and if im not mistaken it lists the player who is missing in the summary and will list the same hand twice to show if another player was missing in same hand so that extra fat that could be trimmed but im not asking you to fine tune this or anything lol, thoughts on it maybe not showing all results for lack of space of something? 1700519;1503109517;mircea_popescu;what do you mean lack of space. 1700520;1503109524;mike_c;doubt it. how many hands does it say it processed? 1700521;1503109554;mike_c;and how many did it say before you pulled the tournament files? 1700522;1503109596;asciilifeform;the 1 quasi-earnest d00d -- sacked 1700523;1503109621;Birdman;bit over 26k and before a bit under 30k, also i think this guy's hand history is amazingly fragmented in a ton of spots so im trying to get a more solid chunk of data to run it on 1700524;1503109632;asciilifeform;served his purpose 1700525;1503109632;Birdman;alot of these hands are missing the summary in general 1700526;1503109637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, old man went in on a ticket of no-compromise, compromised errythang. 1700527;1503109659;asciilifeform;just as was obvious to asciilifeform . 1700528;1503109716;mircea_popescu;mno, what was obvious to asciilifeform was http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486759 1700529;1503109716;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 04:08 ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486706 << clitler is the anointed muppet. as in, will be propped up with diebold voting machines if necessary. 1700530;1503109734;asciilifeform;clitler reigns today. 1700531;1503109738;Birdman;oh also what would i type to have it dump the output into some text file? 1700532;1503109743;asciilifeform;( may as well ) 1700533;1503109751;mircea_popescu;the obvious-to-alf show! 1700534;1503109804;asciilifeform;berkeley: still open. climatola : in businesss. dept of shitcoinade - ditto 1700535;1503109827;asciilifeform;what exactly differs observably from actual clitler reign? 1700536;1503109828;mircea_popescu;i think this proves roosevelt is alive (might as well). 1700537;1503109866;mircea_popescu;well depends observably for whom. what, you're going to compare events with alt-events-as-reasonably-imagined ? 1700538;1503109890;mike_c;Processed hands: 297887 1700539;1503109890;mike_c;Bad hands: 5013 1700540;1503109890;mike_c;Processed files: 4612 1700541;1503109892;asciilifeform;roosevelt жил, жив и будет жить!11! 1700542;1503109900;*;asciilifeform brb 1700543;1503109913;mircea_popescu;aanyway. teh us as mildly interesting as it ever was. 1700544;1503109916;mike_c;seems like it's working to me :) here's without the player names: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/LsriU/?raw=true 1700545;1503110016;Birdman;it seems to me that the bug im looking for is most likely to appear in hands processed that aren't sequential as the sequential ones are most likely entirely fragmented and the ones with only one player missing are the ones im most likely looking for 1700546;1503110021;mircea_popescu;lol Birdman 's got a consultancy bidniss almost going ? 1700547;1503110061;Birdman;not sequential, i mean the ones that repeat the hand number 1700548;1503110104;mike_c;um, not following. but you're saying you want to see the ones that are only missing one player? 1700549;1503110105;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/fifi-hamburguesas-bimbo/ << Trilema - Fifi, hamburguesas bimbo 1700550;1503110138;Birdman;yeah something like that, trying to get it to filter out the corrupted hands from the hands with the bug im looking for 1700551;1503110159;Birdman;but to be honest its probably good to have the corrupted hands to be able to request them from the server 1700552;1503110212;mike_c;4,412 of the 5,013 bad hands are only missing one player 1700553;1503110246;Birdman;you only got ~5k bad hands? im getting 25k 1700554;1503110272;mike_c;run the updated version I gave you and tell me all 3 numbers (processed, bad, files) 1700555;1503110308;Birdman;ah ok one moment 1700556;1503110518;Birdman;262953 / 4914 / 3966 respectively, after i deleted all tournaments from the histories 1700557;1503110538;mike_c;ok, so 4,914 bad hands 1700558;1503110542;Birdman;which i did by searching through with "T1" cause tournaments all start with that and no cash games would 1700559;1503110548;Birdman;yes 1700560;1503110611;mike_c;well, seems like 80% of those are only going to be missing one player, so filtering by that won't help you 1700561;1503110685;mike_c;give me an example of a hand you're *not* interested in. 1700562;1503110689;mircea_popescu;and in other "baby's gonna have to learn sometime...", http://68.media.tumblr.com/3f2956963e5572ea4af56fcafa567c7d/tumblr_o0ok1jjuRA1uwe054o1_1280.jpg http://68.media.tumblr.com/be2d5b93f793c053e393e30b3562e5f5/tumblr_o0ok1jjuRA1uwe054o4_1280.jpg http://68.media.tumblr.com/5e67151689f0cc5f06068781b4b293cd/tumblr_o0ok1jjuRA1uwe054o9_1280.jpg an' http://68.media.tumblr.com/50517718fcf83d5ffa4d12bff44ce47f/tumblr_o0ok1jjuRA1uwe0 1700563;1503110690;mircea_popescu;54o10_1280.jpg 1700564;1503110748;Birdman;ok so i suppose we could get rid of any that have the value "seat256" in the summary and any that are missing the summary in general 1700565;1503110862;mike_c;excluding ones with no summary only cut 10% 1700566;1503110878;mike_c;not sure what you mean by seat256, paste me an example 1700567;1503111039;mike_c;!!up Birdman 1700568;1503111039;deedbot;Birdman voiced for 30 minutes. 1700569;1503111043;Birdman;seat 256 i mean, and http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/i3zev/?raw=true 1700570;1503111378;mike_c;still 4,393 bad hands. down from 5,013. so doesn't cut out too many 1700571;1503111550;Birdman;then may as well keep them 1700572;1503111556;Birdman;well thank you this is crazy helpful! 1700573;1503111582;mike_c;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VWZcn/?raw=true 1700574;1503111584;Birdman;any way for me to run this and have it spit out hand numbers it finds? 1700575;1503111595;Birdman;rather, save it to a text file 1700576;1503111616;mike_c;^ excludes hands with no summary and hands with seat 256 1700577;1503111627;mike_c;you just want it to spit out the hand numbers? sure. 1700578;1503111652;Birdman;i meant to have it save results to a text file, how do i do that> 1700579;1503111664;mike_c;well, if that's all you want just: 1700580;1503111681;mike_c;"python hands2.py c:\directory > logfile.csv" 1700581;1503111721;mike_c;or logfile.txt, or whatever 1700582;1503111767;mike_c;oooh, goats shipped! 1700583;1503111797;mike_c;thanks asciilifeform! 1700584;1503111803;Birdman;and i type just that string after the rest at the same time? "whatever.py C:/handhistories python hands2.py c:\directory > logfile.txt" ? 1700585;1503111816;mike_c;uh, no, like this: 1700586;1503111828;mike_c;whatever.py c:\handhistories > logfile.txt 1700587;1503111861;mike_c;sorry, mine is named hands2.py :) 1700588;1503111909;Birdman;ah tyty 1700589;1503112090;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://fork.lol 1700590;1503112151;asciilifeform;mike_c: np. sorry for the delay, i had to drive coupla hrs to the house where the stockpile lives. 1700591;1503112163;mike_c;no worries. 1700592;1503112177;asciilifeform;should be in your postbox mon. or tue. 1700593;1503112370;mike_c;Birdman: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/qKB5Q/?raw=true 1700594;1503112372;mike_c;last tweak 1700595;1503112379;Birdman;whats this one do? 1700596;1503112383;mike_c;run it like: whatever.py c:\handhistories -q 1700597;1503112391;mike_c;and it will just spit out the hand numbers 1700598;1503112394;Birdman;ah 1700599;1503114726;mircea_popescu;ooo check that out, lol domains! 1700600;1503114856;mike_c;hm, what happened in the last couple days? difficulty adjustment? 1700601;1503114907;mircea_popescu;mike_c adjustment was on 9th. 1700602;1503115134;mike_c;ok. so that chart is saying that a BCH is going for 0.15 BTC. which is about double reality afaict 1700603;1503115227;mike_c;oh, hm, it did go up the last couple days. good time to sell! 1700604;1503115291;mircea_popescu;iirc the imaginary number was always ~600 bux. 1700605;1503115306;mircea_popescu;let me know if you manage to actually get anything for them, i've yet to meet someone who has. 1700606;1503115325;mircea_popescu;also in the same news bulletin, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-16#1555809 1700607;1503115325;a111;Logged on 2016-10-16 06:28 rarepepeforever: http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/pepe-cash/ 1700608;1503115386;mike_c;oh, yeah, I did. 1700609;1503115399;mircea_popescu;o ? 1700610;1503115404;mircea_popescu;wanna do that as a service ? 1700611;1503115408;mike_c;yes 1700612;1503115444;mircea_popescu;tell me ? 1700613;1503115515;mike_c;well, now that I'm thinking about it, not sure how that would work as a service. Because I had to use some assumed virus ridden POS BCH wallet. So I swept out a BTC wallet, then imported the address keys into the assumed virus wallet for BCH 1700614;1503115524;mike_c;that actually worked, and then I sold it. 1700615;1503115579;mircea_popescu;and then you got bitcoin back out ? 1700616;1503115586;mike_c;I did. I was dumbfounded. 1700617;1503115600;mike_c;but you know, all I risked was some time. 1700618;1503115604;mircea_popescu;so you would do it as "send me 1 btc, i will send back 1.1 btc depending on market" 1700619;1503115701;mike_c;but I would need the keys to wherever that 1 btc was pre-fork 1700620;1503115736;mircea_popescu;ah so it's "send me the keys to pre-fork addresses, and i'll return btc" ? 1700621;1503115741;mike_c;right 1700622;1503115748;mircea_popescu;"whether spent or not on main chain" ? 1700623;1503115753;mike_c;and assume that virus ridden wallet will attempt to clean out that BTC address 1700624;1503115766;mike_c;right, if it was moved post-fork, doesn't matter 1700625;1503115777;mircea_popescu;well so this seems like it is a very credible service, makie a website 1700626;1503115789;mircea_popescu;"send me your keys to SPENT btc addresses, i will send you back some btc" 1700627;1503115793;mircea_popescu;free money website as it were. 1700628;1503115798;mike_c;right 1700629;1503115800;mircea_popescu;charge a coupla percents or w/e. 1700630;1503115837;mike_c;this is a good idea. I'll have to see if I can make the process less manual. 1700631;1503115871;mircea_popescu;in principle there's you know, 100mn dollars worth of free money sittibng on ground, if you get 1% of that you really don't need a job. 1700632;1503115888;mircea_popescu;(of course in reality there isn't, but w/e, not the worst business idea i ever heard.) 1700633;1503115888;mike_c;well, there's only as much money as the order book is deep 1700634;1503115892;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1700635;1503115902;mircea_popescu;but the order book for average start-up is 0 deep. 1700636;1503115975;mike_c;currently i could sell 500 BCH(bcc? whatever) for a bit over 50 btc. price has run up last couple of days. 1700637;1503116019;mircea_popescu;bit of a time bomb, as i'm sure these will pop up. first mover advantage i guess. 1700638;1503116041;mircea_popescu;anyway, cheap source of retweets/likes/wjhatever such social media crapital. 1700639;1503116068;mike_c;well sure, but who gives a shit about social media. it doesn't have any btc. 1700640;1503116088;mircea_popescu;(though traditionally the way "bitcoin doubler" scams work is that they pay off initially. and i don't expect this "bitcoin cash market" thing is anything else, however it may be interpreted by the retard crowd) 1700641;1503116362;mircea_popescu;mike_c well, social media has tits. though usually of the useless variety. 1700642;1503117614;mike_c;there's a decently deep book. takes 4500 BCH to get down to 6% right now. 1700643;1503117643;mike_c;I don't think the market will last long enough for automated service to be worth it, but I'll turn the cranks if anyone wants me to clean out some spent keys. 1700644;1503117664;mike_c;Reasonably manual process, so there would be a reasonable fee, but it's free money if you're not going to do it yourself. 1700645;1503117681;mike_c;ping me if interested. 1700646;1503117884;mircea_popescu;can you be specific ? 1700647;1503118099;mike_c;Sure - given keys, I will sell BCH quickly - not too much regard for trying to optimize yield, without being entirely stupid about it. I'll keep.. 10% and give other party 90%. My fee will be minimum 0.5 btc and maximum 10 btc. 1700648;1503118141;mircea_popescu;ic! 1700649;1503118199;mike_c;so given spent address that used to have 50 btc, I sell the BCH, key owner gets free 4.5 btc. not too shabby. 1700650;1503118234;mircea_popescu;provided owner can't be arsed to dih 1700651;1503118245;mike_c;right. or hire someone else cheaper. 1700652;1503118373;mike_c;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html 1700653;1503118386;mike_c;is anybody working those? I'd be interested in contributing. 1700654;1503118400;mircea_popescu;nobody specifically. 1700655;1503118438;trinque;"standard bot" I published what, a year or so ago? 1700656;1503118474;mike_c;published where? 1700657;1503118474;mircea_popescu;true. 1700658;1503118479;mircea_popescu;should i have said "everyone" ? 1700659;1503118603;trinque;naw, just reading the thing. 1700660;1503118607;trinque;mike_c: http://trinque.org/2016/08/11/logbot-genesis/ 1700661;1503118619;trinque;see the antecessor for something that doesn't have opinions re: db 1700662;1503118620;mircea_popescu;a year ago precisely! 1700663;1503118641;mike_c;nice, thanks. 1700664;1503118677;*;trinque cranking moar on the paybot presently, and this weekend. 1700665;1503118704;mike_c;oh, and for the common good, I used hitbtc.com to liquidate BCC. The interface is a piece of shit, I got multiple javascript errors throughout process, but bch went in, btc came out. 1700666;1503118751;mircea_popescu;6 confirms and errything ? 1700667;1503118772;mike_c;far more by now. 1700668;1503118776;mircea_popescu;cool. 1700669;1503118850;trinque;dunno if I welcomed mike_c back, so, wb! 1700670;1503118855;mike_c;I used this pile of shit for wallet - installed on VM, you should 100% assume this is a virus ridden piece of shit. http://www.electroncash.org/ 1700671;1503118876;mike_c;but it worked. 1700672;1503118884;mike_c;thanks trinque! 1700673;1503118929;mike_c;all in all it was an experience that felt like taking a shower in sewage. 1700674;1503119046;mircea_popescu;when did they fork again, jun 25th was it ? 1700675;1503119057;mike_c;dunno 1700676;1503119069;mike_c;no, much later. 1700677;1503119072;mike_c;maybe aug 1 1700678;1503119081;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it was pre aug 1700679;1503119108;mircea_popescu;hm maybe you're right, was aug 1st after all. 1700680;1503119337;Birdman;hey mike_c is this a fun project for you or somethin? if you can be bothered theres some improvements i would ask for to narrow down what im looking for in that script, though im not trying to overstep any boundaries here. 1700681;1503119379;mike_c;it's about bedtime for me. feel free to paste in a wish list. if it's quick I'll knock it out for you over the weekend. 1700682;1503119415;Birdman;thank ya 1700683;1503120200;Birdman;!~later tell mike_c http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WyOfQ/?raw=true 1700684;1503120201;jhvh1;Birdman: The operation succeeded. 1700685;1503121446;BingoBoingo;AHA, mike_c returns and already has a new gig 1700686;1503122978;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2017/08/19/a-quiet-afternoon/ << trinque - A Quiet Afternoon 1700687;1503123298;mircea_popescu;ahahaha check out undata! 1700688;1503123559;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in perky tits and highschool parties, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cf594819917bbecc277724e4e324744c/tumblr_nyud24EYQS1v0jntgo1_1280.jpg 1700689;1503123814;trinque;ah yeah, I'm equal parts proud and "kid, I'll finish you if we crash and I live" 1700690;1503123816;trinque;he did great. 1700691;1503123838;mircea_popescu;eh it doesn't look big enough to crash 1700692;1503123901;trinque;thing squeaked like a motel bed 1700693;1503124040;mircea_popescu;do they have 3 hour "love hotels" there ? 1700694;1503124043;mircea_popescu;you should see those things. 1700695;1503124122;trinque;ones where the rate's what, 40-50/day anyway 1700696;1503124148;trinque;squeaky bed, that sorta indoor/outdoor carpet 1700697;1503124199;mircea_popescu;bout 8-12 bux, something like that. 1700698;1503124207;mircea_popescu;girl 20-30 extra. 1700699;1503124329;trinque;probably had those here when http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-12#1554818 1700700;1503124329;a111;Logged on 2016-10-12 01:57 mircea_popescu: back when their bulls weren't all mechanical yet. 1700701;1503124392;trinque;tomorrow we've got Black Lives Matter (TM) marching past my apartment for, whatever it is they tweeted about last 1700702;1503124719;trinque;did the pantsuit mayor last time, wasn't enough, now nigger mayor who will seriously review serious matters and things. 1700703;1503124738;trinque;I have yet to decide whether being elsewhere, or watching the bullets fly will be more enjoyable. 1700704;1503125421;mircea_popescu;hard call. 1700705;1503153146;asciilifeform;zoolag @ 206640 an' syncing happily on 1700706;1503153342;asciilifeform;!~later tell mike_c http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1700623 << why was it necessary to use closed turd client ? ( what's the actual diff in the lolfork anyway ? the 2mb thing ? could exist as a lulzpatch for trb, even, in principle ) 1700707;1503153342;a111;Logged on 2017-08-19 04:09 mike_c: and assume that virus ridden wallet will attempt to clean out that BTC address 1700708;1503153342;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1700709;1503153407;mircea_popescu;that he couldn't be arsed to read/write, i expect 1700710;1503153412;asciilifeform;aa 1700711;1503153668;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699937 << http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/ found meanwhile. 1700712;1503153668;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 03:55 mircea_popescu: i can't find the trilema article illustration with the three girls under cold water but inserted by reference. 1700713;1503154453;shinohai;In other eclipse revelry .... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHjapfHXYAAId3H.jpg 1700714;1503154509;mircea_popescu;total crackwhore hips. 1700715;1503154533;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i wonder how many people decided to have their kid for the eclypse. maybe that way it'll come out speshul ? 1700716;1503154604;shinohai;But exactly the type of girl you get here at the "siesta rate" btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1700693 1700717;1503154641;mircea_popescu;ah, i believe. 1700718;1503154731;shinohai;She's no good if she refuses to snort a line of crystal meth from an enlarged penis, you see. 1700719;1503155012;mircea_popescu;o jesus god 1700720;1503155015;mircea_popescu;they snort meth now ?! 1700721;1503155347;mircea_popescu;in other random lulz : romania closed 2016 as the strongest economy in the eu. 1.3% drop in inflation, <1% budget deficit, 38.5% debt to gdp. stable local currency yoy. 1700722;1503155381;mircea_popescu;this is ahead of sweden (1% inflation champs), the uk (5% deficit and 90% debt to gdp LOL), denmark, you name it. 1700723;1503155487;mircea_popescu;and the uk specifically is headed for a shitter of epic proportions. they've to retool, but have no space to borrow to support capital costs and no strength in the labour market. 1700724;1503156491;asciilifeform;retool? 1700725;1503156498;asciilifeform;brits ~make~ something?! 1700726;1503156498;mircea_popescu;yes. 1700727;1503156508;mircea_popescu;now or generally ? 1700728;1503156513;asciilifeform;now 1700729;1503156518;asciilifeform;what do they make ? 1700730;1503156535;mircea_popescu;now they make houses for russians to buy, to have them stolen away. the switch to chinese didn't take. 1700731;1503156550;mircea_popescu;historically they were strong in engines, and other ind equipment. 1700732;1503156560;asciilifeform;rolls royce aha 1700733;1503156562;mircea_popescu;well, depends how historically. even more historically they were strong in textiles. 1700734;1503156594;asciilifeform;those may as well have been different brits. like ancient egyptians vs current 1700735;1503156613;mircea_popescu;they still export half a trillion worth of mostly software and crap (1/3 balance deficit) 1700736;1503156626;asciilifeform;the usa business model lol 1700737;1503156634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here, you'll lulz : largest 2016 export was 42bn worth of gold. 1700738;1503156641;asciilifeform;that's an export ?! 1700739;1503156642;mircea_popescu;"banking sector". london's fucked. 1700740;1503156651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you get money it is an export, yes. 1700741;1503156658;asciilifeform;sofa is then fuel 1700742;1503156663;mircea_popescu;aha 1700743;1503156703;mircea_popescu;and see, here's the true lulz picture : they exported 40bn worth of automotives. which looks like a something 1700744;1503156710;mircea_popescu;EXCEPT they also imported 50bn worth of same. 1700745;1503156733;mircea_popescu;and the 40bn dun exist without the 50bn. you know how that goes, it's a "high paying bay area job" 1700746;1503156742;asciilifeform;like petro in texas 1700747;1503156757;mircea_popescu;bigger problem sitll, their major partners are the us. 1700748;1503156825;mircea_popescu;https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/09/uk-economy-take-long-painful-look-research-development << surprisingly decent summary article. 1700749;1503156964;mircea_popescu;the thing is, places like italy or spain have the natural-born whores to compensate, two or more to the household. 1700750;1503156995;mircea_popescu;who would pay to fuck a british bag is anyone's guess. 1700751;1503157025;mircea_popescu;in other words, there's no greek stoppers for britain, once it goes it goes. 1700752;1503157617;mircea_popescu;(and , of course, they're making the eternal soviet mistake, spending 5bn on "research", except in healthcare, ai, batteries, self-driving vehicles, satellites etc. ie, trying to spend money to rewrite history with themselve in the picture. if you have a fucking clue you never invest in R&D in "hot" shit) 1700753;1503158259;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in school, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f89825cd4887bd18a7cd8d9dc8242b32/tumblr_nziazkL24E1ucvu8po1_400.gif 1700754;1503158452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2DF7A3702116E0E30B47DFE5B6E3E9893FF8379DFD4DC6734620CDF4083DB555 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1156...8807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.8.171.191 (ssh-rsa key from 66.8.171.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-66-8-171-191.hawaii.res.rr.com. US HI) 1700755;1503158453;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2DF7A3702116E0E30B47DFE5B6E3E9893FF8379DFD4DC6734620CDF4083DB555 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1181...2433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.8.171.191 (ssh-rsa key from 66.8.171.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-66-8-171-191.hawaii.res.rr.com. US HI) 1700756;1503158621;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lulz, teh metizos heard of things "many people know" and also have opinions on matters : http://www.nacion.com/opinion/columnistas/Mad-Dog-Trump_0_1652634727.html 1700757;1503158640;mircea_popescu;(their own, original, honestly now!) 1700758;1503158694;mod6;mornin 1700759;1503158699;mircea_popescu;heya 1700760;1503158802;asciilifeform;grupos neonazis, antisemitas y racistas lol 1700761;1503158835;mircea_popescu;the most precious item is when cardbord-person makes evaluations as to the future! 1700762;1503159011;asciilifeform;reads exactly like the local cardboard 1700763;1503159046;mircea_popescu;yes, but local has the excuse of local. it's one thing to be rice, or obama, the system pays. but being nemtsov ? 1700764;1503159077;mircea_popescu;infanta of spain does have a sucky job in a sucky society, but at least she gets the fucking pearls. it makes some limited sense. 1700765;1503159086;mircea_popescu;what's malinche get ? squaw candy ? 1700766;1503159089;asciilifeform;( every usg-sucking orc has this fantasy, that if he pens one of these just-so, chopper transport will materialize and take him to harvaryaleton and obummer will personally pin on him iron cross with oak leaves and award mcmansion ) 1700767;1503159109;asciilifeform;!!up r0nin- 1700768;1503159110;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1700769;1503159116;asciilifeform;persistent fella, lesee what he has? 1700770;1503159128;mircea_popescu;aite. 1700771;1503159132;r0nin-;<+mircea_popescu> in other random lulz : romania closed 2016 as the strongest economy in the eu. 1.3% drop in inflation, <1% budget deficit, 38.5% debt to gdp. stable local currency yoy. 1700772;1503159132;r0nin-;<+mircea_popescu> this is ahead of sweden (1% inflation champs), the uk (5% deficit and 90% debt to gdp LOL), denmark, you name it. 1700773;1503159132;r0nin-;<+mircea_popescu> and the uk specifically is headed for a shitter of epic proportions. they've to retool, but have no space to borrow to support capital costs and no strength in the labour market. 1700774;1503159137;r0nin-;youve got that backwards 1700775;1503159148;mircea_popescu;you know you can just quote by link reference. 1700776;1503159148;r0nin-;higher deficits = higher economic growth. 1700777;1503159156;mircea_popescu;uh. how do you figure ? 1700778;1503159162;mod6;lol 1700779;1503159164;r0nin-;well think about it 1700780;1503159167;mircea_popescu;i am. 1700781;1503159168;mod6;this is trolling, no? 1700782;1503159170;r0nin-;on national accounting 1700783;1503159176;r0nin-;government deficits = private economy savings 1700784;1503159178;r0nin-;to the penny 1700785;1503159186;mircea_popescu;yes, except in china not in the uk. 1700786;1503159192;r0nin-;yes in uk. 1700787;1503159195;mircea_popescu;lol get out. 1700788;1503159205;r0nin-;the government is not a household 1700789;1503159207;r0nin-;in a fiat regime. 1700790;1503159210;mircea_popescu;uk deficit is powered by a huge trade imbalance, not some sort of local savings. 1700791;1503159218;r0nin-;yes 1700792;1503159228;mircea_popescu;yes. that means the value seeps out of the country. 1700793;1503159235;r0nin-;the Uk has to run a budget deficit to add the money that is seeping out of the country 1700794;1503159244;r0nin-;if they dont run it the economy contracts 1700795;1503159249;mircea_popescu;mno. the uk adds money to compensate for THE VALUE seeping out of the country. 1700796;1503159258;r0nin-;no the value is not seeping out of the country 1700797;1503159261;r0nin-;its being added 1700798;1503159265;r0nin-;EU products go to UK 1700799;1503159268;r0nin-;GBP go out 1700800;1503159272;r0nin-;whats the cost to produce GBP? 1700801;1503159273;r0nin-;zero. 1700802;1503159283;r0nin-;wahts the cost to produce EU products? a fucking lot. 1700803;1503159305;mircea_popescu;understand this ? at first there's 100 pounds of goods and 100 pounds sterling. then the uktards want to live above their means, so some bezzle is printed up, say a further 20 sterling. then the trade deficit starts, and in the next step there's 80 pounds worth of goods and 100 pounds sterling in the country. discounting the pound sterling from the original 1 to .8. 1700804;1503159306;r0nin-;that why US has a high consumption level despite producing nothing, while germany everyone is poor 1700805;1503159319;mircea_popescu;this is ridoinculous. 1700806;1503159323;r0nin-;look UK has a trade deficit. 1700807;1503159331;r0nin-;that means more products enter then leave 1700808;1503159338;r0nin-;they pay for their trade deficit with their own currency 1700809;1503159353;r0nin-;so the countries that run a trade surplus with the UK 1700810;1503159357;r0nin-;have the GBP now. 1700811;1503159361;mircea_popescu;it's not that it has it. it's that it went from "empire" to "minor province" through maintaining a trade deficit. EXACTLY in the manner spain went from world's empire to minor province, two centuries earlier, through maintaining a trade deficit. 1700812;1503159363;r0nin-;whats it the COST to produce a pound? 1700813;1503159369;mircea_popescu;so what if it got all the aztec gold, if all of it ended up with the dutch. 1700814;1503159382;r0nin-;yea but the products didnt 1700815;1503159396;mircea_popescu;of course they did. that's why uk has no further industrial base, cuz they did. 1700816;1503159397;r0nin-;the UK has a higher standard of living becuase of the trade deficit the same way the US does 1700817;1503159410;r0nin-;the UK has no industrial base becuase they didnt care about it 1700818;1503159419;r0nin-;they get subsidized by outside manufacturers 1700819;1503159421;mircea_popescu;this notion that what you're exporting in a trade deficit situation is "the pound", ie, bezzle, is false. what you're exporting is always the value, bezzle always stays at home. 1700820;1503159427;r0nin-;no 1700821;1503159433;r0nin-;the UK is exporting a financial claim against it 1700822;1503159439;r0nin-;its IMPORTING goods and services 1700823;1503159442;mircea_popescu;you are very naive ; moreover very impudent to go with it. 1700824;1503159442;r0nin-;the US is the same 1700825;1503159453;r0nin-;tahts why you go to US and see everyone in new BMWs 1700826;1503159458;r0nin-;but you go to germany and everyones in old ass shit 1700827;1503159458;asciilifeform;lol! 1700828;1503159460;trinque;bwahahaha 1700829;1503159465;trinque;r0nin-: come over; I'll take you on a tour 1700830;1503159465;mircea_popescu;dude... when the fuck were you last in the us. 1700831;1503159465;r0nin-;they export their surplus value 1700832;1503159466;asciilifeform;r0nin-: ever been to usa ? 1700833;1503159469;r0nin-;yes 1700834;1503159475;r0nin-;i was in miami last year 1700835;1503159486;mircea_popescu;lmao. why is it that the orcs always end up in miami ? 1700836;1503159488;r0nin-;obviously im a bit exagerating 1700837;1503159498;r0nin-;the point is the US sends dollars which the world saves in 1700838;1503159501;mircea_popescu;it's incredible, that place, the official capitol of the spanish main, every monkey from argentina to panama worships miami. 1700839;1503159502;r0nin-;and in return recieves actual wealth 1700840;1503159505;trinque;mircea_popescu: they wanna suck the tip of US cock? 1700841;1503159511;r0nin-;haha true mircea 1700842;1503159517;mircea_popescu;it literally is the capital of a large, bn-strong spanish gypo world. 1700843;1503159529;r0nin-;if you have a trade deficit the governmetn has to run a budget deficit 1700844;1503159532;r0nin-;or else the economy contracts 1700845;1503159548;trinque;r0nin-: you've repeated that twice now, as though quoting your bible. 1700846;1503159549;mircea_popescu;r0nin- i dun think you're qualified to discuss these matters. 1700847;1503159550;r0nin-;budget deficits add new money to the economy 1700848;1503159562;r0nin-;mircea think about it 1700849;1503159572;r0nin-;UK runs a trade deficit with the EU that means EU is 'working' for the UK 1700850;1503159577;r0nin-;they are sending them actual goods/services 1700851;1503159580;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1700852;1503159583;r0nin-;in return for what? claims on nothing. 1700853;1503159584;r0nin-;GBP. 1700854;1503159585;asciilifeform;r0nin-: and kiting cheques 'adds money' to household budget..? 1700855;1503159596;r0nin-;the government budget isnt a household 1700856;1503159598;mircea_popescu;"no but it's not a household!!" 1700857;1503159602;r0nin-;because a household cannot issue its own currency 1700858;1503159606;r0nin-;its a 'user' 1700859;1503159612;mircea_popescu;it's fucking magic, he read it in the polish version of the new york times. THINK ABOUT IT!!!! 1700860;1503159626;r0nin-;the private sector is always a net saver 1700861;1503159635;asciilifeform;r0nin-: zimbabwe issued trillion-dollar notes -- why not world power ? 1700862;1503159635;r0nin-;the government provides the financial instrument the private sector saves in. 1700863;1503159646;mircea_popescu;r0nin- look, this "deductively emplaced" government you keep thinking of doesn't exist irl. 1700864;1503159648;r0nin-;zimbabwe gave away 80% of its productive farms 1700865;1503159654;r0nin-;to useless individuals 1700866;1503159657;r0nin-;the production collapsed 1700867;1503159662;r0nin-;thats why you had hyper inflation 1700868;1503159671;trinque;are you high? you're bouncing *all over* 1700869;1503159673;mircea_popescu;r0nin- stop fucking typing three words to the line. what are you, some kind of idiot ? 1700870;1503159679;r0nin-;hyper inflation is always a result of a sudden production shock 1700871;1503159687;r0nin-;sorry mircea 1700872;1503159715;r0nin-;every single assclown brings up zimbabwe or weimer as their lame example of 'hyperinflation' without every understanding what happened there 1700873;1503159719;mircea_popescu;this is high art on the level of the holy tonsilectomy. 1700874;1503159729;r0nin-;money printing occurs AFTER the inflation started, not before it. 1700875;1503159743;r0nin-;prices go up, the economy requires more money to pay it, and its a cycle 1700876;1503159754;r0nin-;higher interest rates = higher inflation. 1700877;1503159773;mircea_popescu;let's try and get some basics welded down. do you understand "inflation" is the phenomenon of mismatched currency and goods ? 1700878;1503159775;r0nin-;thats why all the tards got it totally wrong with the 'dollar collapse' 1700879;1503159781;r0nin-;yes mircea. 1700880;1503159797;mircea_popescu;ok. so then : when you run a trade deficit, you are NOT exporting currency and importing goods.. 1700881;1503159805;r0nin-;yes you are. 1700882;1503159807;mircea_popescu;you are exporting goods and importing goods. 1700883;1503159814;r0nin-;in the case of the Uk and US you are 1700884;1503159821;r0nin-;lol what goods is the Uk exporting? 1700885;1503159823;mircea_popescu;this leaves you with the unbacked currency, and it becomes more and more unbacked as the trade deficit progresses. 1700886;1503159833;r0nin-;no fiat currency is backed by anything. 1700887;1503159843;mircea_popescu;r0nin- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1700737 1700888;1503159843;a111;Logged on 2017-08-19 15:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here, you'll lulz : largest 2016 export was 42bn worth of gold. 1700889;1503159850;r0nin-;its entirely based on the issuers promise to take it back from you in payment of taxes 1700890;1503159859;mircea_popescu;dja understand this ? the "not household" household of uk just sold its wedding ring and buttplug. 1700891;1503159876;r0nin-;mircea: the UK imports way more goods/services from the world then it 'exports 1700892;1503159878;mircea_popescu;r0nin- china doesn't pay fucking taxes to the uk. you'll take it back in exchange for fucking gibraltar is what you'll do. 1700893;1503159896;r0nin-;china is inccuring massive costs by exporting 1700894;1503159897;mircea_popescu;r0nin- and my slavegirls eat more than they shit. this makes their ass mine. not the other fucking way around 1700895;1503159903;r0nin-;pollution, sick labor force etc. 1700896;1503159906;mircea_popescu;because in any disagreement of oppinion, he with the trade balance wins. 1700897;1503159907;r0nin-;export is a COST. 1700898;1503159928;r0nin-;the entire premise of a country is to minimize costs and maximize gains, so send as little as possible while importing as much as possible 1700899;1503159935;r0nin-;italians understood this best with 5000euro purses. 1700900;1503159937;mircea_popescu;heh. 1700901;1503159971;r0nin-;mircea: the UK does not have a shortage of goods on shelves for plebs to buy. it may have problems with income distribution. 1700902;1503159972;mircea_popescu;countries run by 12 year old girls, and then they wonder why a) there's no further demand for white males and b) the cuckening. 1700903;1503159985;mircea_popescu;r0nin- it does. for instance -- housing. 1700904;1503160002;mircea_popescu;worst fucking shithole in all of europe, as far as that's concerned. 1700905;1503160009;r0nin-;well i agree the place is miserable 1700906;1503160016;r0nin-;but it was always a shithole throughout the last 500 years. 1700907;1503160017;mircea_popescu;even 1960s soviets had better houses. how about that for "Shelves". 1700908;1503160031;r0nin-;19th century london was one massive slum 1700909;1503160034;mircea_popescu;mno, actually, before hitler quashed it it was doing ok-ish. 1700910;1503160035;r0nin-;the first of its kind worldwide 1700911;1503160063;r0nin-;no it wasnt. all the aristocrats were completely broke from jewish loans taken out in the 19th century in order to pretend they are like the romans 1700912;1503160075;r0nin-;hence all the villas littered on the countryside 1700913;1503160092;mircea_popescu;was doing a fuckload better before the introduction of the telegraph empowered the englishtarded concentration of administration. somehow they newver learned anything out of the america defeat. 1700914;1503160099;r0nin-;churchhill was so broke he literally sent family members to america to beg for money for appearances sake 1700915;1503160123;mircea_popescu;but anyway, back when "english" essentially meant dutch, it was doing just fine. 1700916;1503160164;r0nin-;https://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Jews-Friendship-Martin-Gilbert/dp/0805088644 1700917;1503160175;r0nin-;this is one of the best books about england at the time you are referencing 1700918;1503160189;r0nin-;churchhills family was indebted for the last 120 years 1700919;1503160203;mircea_popescu;why does this matter ? 1700920;1503160217;r0nin-;because the british empire that you so praise was nothing more than a common understanding of 2 groups 1700921;1503160224;r0nin-;english aristocracy and jewish finance 1700922;1503160226;mircea_popescu;so ? 1700923;1503160232;r0nin-;and it ended in disaster. 1700924;1503160239;r0nin-;consequences to which we are living in today 1700925;1503160249;mircea_popescu;well, they misjudged hitler and he frucked them. this was ~common at the time. 1700926;1503160275;r0nin-;britian dragged the dumb german kaiser into WW1 because the german industrial base had surpassed anything england could have imagined and he began building a navy 1700927;1503160283;mircea_popescu;right. 1700928;1503160289;mircea_popescu;hey, this much we agree on. 1700929;1503160295;r0nin-;because as you correctly pointed out earlier, they dont protect their industries 1700930;1503160301;r0nin-;germans did 1700931;1503160320;mircea_popescu;they still do. for all that poverty, they actually got the 4th reich going over there. 1700932;1503160343;r0nin-;UK leaving the EU will lead to a dramatic decline in the standard of living for everyone there, since they will no longer be subsidized with goods from europe 1700933;1503160366;r0nin-;hence the pound tanking 1700934;1503160391;mircea_popescu;the decline has nothing to do with that. uk has been on a decline path since indeed, 1800s, and will continue to decline. and because their women are ugly, there's no italian parachute under their ass either. wales is a fine example of where england ends up. 1700935;1503160397;mircea_popescu;or if you prefer, historical scotland. 1700936;1503160399;r0nin-;i agree 1700937;1503160454;r0nin-;england will end up an irrelevent island of pastey fucks 1700938;1503160460;r0nin-;even the cuisine is shit 1700939;1503160515;r0nin-;my original point was you are wrong on trade deficits 1700940;1503160535;trinque;that's not a point, you idiot. make one. 1700941;1503160537;mircea_popescu;but the ~reason~ for it is very much found in 1600s trade policy. the dutch had open trade, the english wanted all trade to go through london. their centralist, counterproductive approach is what sunk them. they kept getting freebies, such as when the dutch moved over under wilhelm to become "english", but by and large uk is a thrown rock. it goes down. 1700942;1503160554;r0nin-;what sunk them was free trade 1700943;1503160573;mircea_popescu;and the reason british empire was dying already by the time hitler cut its head off was that the brits in their idiocy wanted all the various policies in india etc to be set from london. 1700944;1503160575;r0nin-;the english model has always been built on usury 1700945;1503160586;r0nin-;usury as the source of value in the economy 1700946;1503160596;mircea_popescu;i'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. 1700947;1503160599;r0nin-;germans understood in 19th century that labor creates wealth not staring at gold coins all day 1700948;1503160610;mircea_popescu;there's a time-value of money, what. 1700949;1503160617;r0nin-;thats a made up excuse 1700950;1503160624;r0nin-;there is no time value of money 1700951;1503160639;r0nin-;if you take 2 gold coins and put them in a shelf are they going to copulate and have children? 1700952;1503160647;mircea_popescu;"labor creates wealth" is unilateral nonsense, one of the three flavours available. what creates wealth is labour well applied to capital goods. that's people + management + tools. 1700953;1503160654;r0nin-;yes 1700954;1503160656;r0nin-;exactly 1700955;1503160660;r0nin-;and what is capital goods? 1700956;1503160665;mircea_popescu;the time value of money comes preciselty from the "well applied" part. 1700957;1503160665;r0nin-;previously stored labor. 1700958;1503160680;mircea_popescu;because management has to decide optimal usage of capital goods and labour, and thereby there's a time-value of both of these. 1700959;1503160683;r0nin-;previously stored labor(credit) + labor(present) = future wealth. 1700960;1503160686;r0nin-;there is no other way. 1700961;1503160690;mircea_popescu;in labour that's a wage, in capital that's an interest. 1700962;1503160710;r0nin-;dude how does your money 'breed'? 1700963;1503160715;r0nin-;and have children(interest) 1700964;1503160718;r0nin-;explain that to me 1700965;1503160726;r0nin-;its sterile 1700966;1503160751;mircea_popescu;i just explained this yest, amusingly enough. here : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700427 1700967;1503160751;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 22:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your notion of money is broken in that you misunderstand its materiality. 1700968;1503160786;r0nin-;england believed that by hoarding gold coins they would be getting 'rich', so they ran massive trade surpluses at the beginning of their shitty empire 1700969;1503160793;r0nin-;which led to immense poverty inside england 1700970;1503160813;r0nin-;becuase once again how does exporting real goods/services and hoarding gold make you rich? lolz 1700971;1503160830;r0nin-;this is exactly what china is doing now 1700972;1503160864;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a shit about "poverty". let the plebs fucking croak. 1700973;1503160868;mircea_popescu;that's what they're for. 1700974;1503160879;r0nin-;englands next genius idea was to impose the gold standard onto the economy and completely choke it 1700975;1503160886;r0nin-;because newton said so 1700976;1503160893;mircea_popescu;the correct approach is rendering the idiotas for fat. as stalin did, as china does, as everyone who's worth two shits ever did. 1700977;1503160905;mircea_popescu;everything else is decay. 1700978;1503161065;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so what's the story, is flake making it in az ? 1700979;1503161228;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, how the fuck is it that the libertard media omit to point out melania is fucking hot, unlike that fat mammie obama dragged along ? 1700980;1503161241;mircea_popescu;are the cuntlets threatened a little or what is it ? no moar glamour for 1st lady ? 1700981;1503161641;mircea_popescu;http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/08/18/gettyimages-632914834_wide-d8a9d3c24306ed3d1f4309b438991c94c1b85680-s800-c85.jpg << back in january (2017) talking to putin. all that's left is the phone now 1700982;1503163584;mircea_popescu;ahhh, taking in the feverish pitch of libertard rage is actually quite relaxing. take this foxy lady : https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/opinion/sunday/president-trump-resignation.html 1700983;1503165039;mircea_popescu;!!up spyked 1700984;1503165039;deedbot;spyked voiced for 30 minutes. 1700985;1503165045;mircea_popescu;got a pgp key ? 1700986;1503165100;spyked;hello, #trilemans. :) 1700987;1503165103;spyked;mircea_popescu, yep 1700988;1503165111;mircea_popescu;!!help 1700989;1503165111;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1700990;1503165118;spyked;should be registered I think 1700991;1503165137;mircea_popescu;!!key spyked 1700992;1503165138;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/0x541A976BB5FC4B455D7FBC61BDAE9D051A3D3B95.asc 1700993;1503165146;mircea_popescu;aha! 1700994;1503165199;spyked;I tried to do some homework before joining here. still a shitload left. 1700995;1503165212;mircea_popescu;!!rate spyked 2 aka Lucian Mogosanu, arm guy and other things. e-known him for years. 1700996;1503165214;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lAVCu/?raw=true 1700997;1503165238;mircea_popescu;!!v 80E4122B2D7A0C1A5C85B9473A2559552A7366C7C965CA27D7AFD9FEEF659366 1700998;1503165238;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated spyked 2 << aka Lucian Mogosanu, arm guy and other things. e-known him for years. 1700999;1503165246;mircea_popescu;spyked you can self-voice. got an ice ? 1701000;1503165271;spyked;no. what's an ice? 1701001;1503165353;mircea_popescu;you know, originally tmsr embeddable work was done on xilinx. recently discovered superior alternative, 1701002;1503165427;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ice40 1701003;1503165495;mircea_popescu;(the other prong being, of course, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 ) 1701004;1503165551;spyked;hm. I'ma read about it. I only used xilinx FPGAs myself 1701005;1503165577;mircea_popescu;the idea is to take the wintel blobs out of the fabrication line. 1701006;1503165767;spyked;oh. so reverse engineering the blobs and/or reimplementing? that's actually pretty neat 1701007;1503165781;mircea_popescu;either/or. but generally throwing out and redoing comes up a lot 1701008;1503165789;mircea_popescu;spyked you know what a mac ivory is ? 1701009;1503165846;spyked;nope, and google doesn't seem to help too much. :\ 1701010;1503165890;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ivory does tho 1701011;1503165894;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ivory << better search than google. anyway, ancient tech, symbolics co. lisp machines from teh 80s. there's (some, limited) effort to cut up the chips / redo the whole thing. 1701012;1503165903;mircea_popescu;in theory it could be fit on a fpga. 1701013;1503166106;spyked;hm. this is neat stuff. I know opencores had some free Lisp FPGA designs. never tried any of them though. 1701014;1503166148;mircea_popescu;turns out the whole hello & welcome works out a lot better when i don't have to ask "so who are you". who could have predictated. 1701015;1503166150;spyked;my initial thought on getting a Lisp machine run was using a RISC machine as microcode. and implement the whole thing bare metal in software. it's a lot cheaper, albeit probably hard to verify 1701016;1503166169;mircea_popescu;spyked the thing you used to search btw, runs in lisp. 1701017;1503166180;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes btw can has candi back ? 1701018;1503166253;spyked;I'm guessing a lot of people here use Lisp for their implementations. :) I got into it after first reading asciilifeform's laws of sane computing 1701019;1503166272;mircea_popescu;spyked ahaha, phd in os security ? we had one of your students here last week! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698946 1701020;1503166272;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 17:07 valica_: https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/sasc 1701021;1503166325;mircea_popescu;spyked is acs.pub.ro supposed to be down ? 1701022;1503166351;spyked;btw, I'm working (at snail's pace) on getting a somewhat workable blog software in Common Lisp 1701023;1503166368;mircea_popescu;why ? 1701024;1503166404;spyked;mircea_popescu, no. lol. nobody's working in the uni during this time of year. I'm expecting it to come back up... in September maybe 1701025;1503166421;mircea_popescu;right, it's a holiday, i intuited. 1701026;1503166434;spyked;I don't like Wordpress, so I decided to roll my own 1701027;1503166455;mircea_popescu;yes, but prioritits. there's larger fires burning. 1701028;1503166520;spyked;true, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. and I can do it incrementally (the current blog works. it lacks comments, that may piss people off, but it's not like I get too many readers) 1701029;1503166543;mircea_popescu;there's that. 1701030;1503166664;spyked;anyway, I'm interested in getting a Lisp machine up. also, getting a trb node up once I get some hardware for it 1701031;1503166960;mircea_popescu;re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/057-reversing-lists.html you know the story of thomson's compilers yes ? 1701032;1503167068;spyked;mircea_popescu, no. I know Inria guys made a verified compiler. with the caveat of "abstract nonsense". anyway, tmsr search yields stuff :) 1701033;1503167077;mircea_popescu;:p 1701034;1503167140;mircea_popescu;are you aware i think your "formal" model is a piece of shit from paragraph one ? 1701035;1503167162;mircea_popescu;you're equivocating between definition and constructor! wtf is "a list is... : is the list making operator so a list is 1:2:[]" nonsense! 1701036;1503167202;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with "a list is an enumerated set" ? which is what a list is. 1701037;1503167238;mircea_popescu;it's a set, and enumerated because computers lack the ability to construct ~described~ sets, such as "the set of prime numbers" or w/e. 1701038;1503167300;spyked;hm. you mean, there's a long way from "enumerated set" to 1:2:[] which I skipped? 1701039;1503167349;mircea_popescu;im not sure there's any way whatsoever. 1701040;1503167406;mircea_popescu;but in my experience, generally people take refuge in minutia when scared of biting the problem. wtf difference does it make how i construct an enumerated set, maybe i push icecubes off the table into the paper bin with my penis. 1701041;1503167455;mircea_popescu;and this 1 2 3 4 bs implying metered and measured and ordered and whatnot. aaanyway, /me reads on. 1701042;1503167513;mircea_popescu;spyked no, see, you already reference "arbitrary order" without having even discussed the matter. why is a list ordered ? how is it ordered ? can penis pushe ice cubes not be a set ? 1701043;1503167545;spyked;yeah, it was very easy to conflate "list can be described as either nil, or pair between something and a list" and "list is defined as". I could rewrite sometime if you think it's worth it; I don't think it is, I was just trying to show how reasoning about software isn't trivial even when you have a framework for that, let alone when void *p = ...; 1701044;1503167606;mircea_popescu;"We may informally state that "reversing a given list yields the list which has the same elements but in the exact opposite order (e.g. right-to-left, as opposed to left-to-right)", but we have no way of accurately specifying this in our language other than by defining rev and postulating that "rev reverses any given list". The same goes for appending lists." 1701045;1503167610;mircea_popescu;except... what does "left" mean ?! 1701046;1503167638;mircea_popescu;it ends up as being an example as to why it is hard to think about systems if one's very inclined to unhygienically import random unknowns into the workbench. 1701047;1503167679;spyked;which was discussed here before, yeah. not new I guess 1701048;1503167831;mircea_popescu;spyked jesus god T1... 1701049;1503167833;mircea_popescu;this is terrible. 1701050;1503168260;spyked;the whole thing is. and yes, this is "formal verification 101" taught in universities. if you want to get even more outraged about it, read Heiser's post at the beginning. 1701051;1503168277;mircea_popescu;no, i have a weak heart. 1701052;1503168340;spyked;he has a start-up where he employed an army of "proof engineers" to work on systems verification. I'm pretty skeptical about it, since I tried very hard to understand his papers some years ago and now it's completely paged out of my brain 1701053;1503168381;mircea_popescu;the problem with getting "engineers" to construct proofs in this vein is that engineers have too much monkey in them. "doctor, doctor, if i shove it in this way it works!" 1701054;1503168395;mircea_popescu;this is nice, especially when found magic weapon in the field. but also very useless. 1701055;1503168466;asciilifeform;spyked: hi 1701056;1503168478;mircea_popescu;anyway, tell me, do you know this choudary fellow ? 1701057;1503168493;asciilifeform;spyked: ever heard of 'fits in head' concept ? 1701058;1503168494;spyked;hi, asciilifeform 1701059;1503168543;spyked;mircea_popescu, yes, he's an assistant prof. in the cs department. works on crypto and some hardware stuff (side channel analysis) 1701060;1503168552;spyked;asciilifeform, yep, on #trilema :) 1701061;1503168555;mircea_popescu;is he clever ? 1701062;1503168589;asciilifeform;gotta love how the 'side channel analysis' people ~to this day~ have not produced a fixed-time rsa. 1701063;1503168606;mircea_popescu;it's not clear they undersrand that the world was created by men. 1701064;1503168626;mircea_popescu;perhaps it was god-given ? came out of the pantsuited hilarity's hairy snatch ? who knows. 1701065;1503168722;spyked;he's okay, we chatted a few times, but I don't know him very well. it's hard to judge most people in the faculty higher than by "mint rubber or not", and he's pretty hard working at least. 1701066;1503168724;mircea_popescu;spyked anyway, if in your estimation guy's not an idiot invite him over next you see him, i want to personally cuss him out for that terrible "advanced" crypto thing wtf is it. 1701067;1503168738;mircea_popescu;o shit. mintrubbing.org! 1701068;1503168740;asciilifeform;re 'formal verification', what a lol 1701069;1503168788;mircea_popescu;http://www.mintrubbing.org/ << gone ;/ 1701070;1503168788;spyked;sure thing. I can reference the Trilema posts on crypto 1701071;1503168825;asciilifeform;what's a 'mint rubber' ? 1701072;1503168837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ro idiomatic, to do nothing on govt pay. 1701073;1503168843;asciilifeform;aaah 1701074;1503168846;mircea_popescu;sort of like a self-licking ice cone, except these'd be the lickers. 1701075;1503168847;spyked;mircea_popescu, Poli survives on local socialist democrats. I don't know how to compare those guys to West pantsuit. 1701076;1503168859;mircea_popescu;was possibly romania's first online item, a joint blog/ezine thing 1701077;1503168860;asciilifeform;vs what other academics? 1701078;1503168889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ro social-democrats are rather a sort of "central republicans". 1701079;1503168918;mircea_popescu;they're historically pro-russia and pro-independence, grudgingly pro-eu cuz "da people". but otherwise populist and strong in the equiv of us red areas. 1701080;1503168990;*;asciilifeform had nfi 1701081;1503169035;mircea_popescu;whereas romanian "right" at least in the sense of, parliamentarily, is very much washington democrats, all into eu bureaucracy and occasionally inadequate liberal economic policies. 1701082;1503169400;spyked;anyway, the one and only advantage of UPB CS department is that for now it still has the resources to bring up smart people, most of which unfortunately turn into goog/fb/whatever employees. I don't think that's gonna last for long though. wish it did, but... 1701083;1503169431;spyked;I resisted many attempts to turn the "programming paradigms" (Lisp/Haskell/Prolog) course into a Java thing. 1701084;1503169486;mircea_popescu;eh, the paradigm gotta shift from this pasty ass "ima try and make a lot of moneyz so maybe im left with something after wife dolchstoss) 1701085;1503169495;diana_coman;oh hi spyked ; are you still at UPB? 1701086;1503169519;spyked;(many attempts of colleagues) 1701087;1503169582;spyked;hi diana_coman. somewhat. I resigned a year ago, but I'm around for various teaching stuff and wasting time on PhDing. 1701088;1503169599;diana_coman;o.O ; there used to be giumale's programare functionala - quite an eye opener that course 1701089;1503169610;diana_coman;don't tell me it's java now... 1701090;1503169632;spyked;thank god no. most of the course is the same. 1701091;1503169663;mircea_popescu;re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/04e-the-myth-of-software-engineering-iii.html << hjere's the thing, let's posit that an object larger than what fits in head can not exist. this may seem counterintuitive, but it happens to also be correct. now, the direct solution to the problems of "exponential dependencies" and "clarity of purpose" and so on is that these have to be defined by domain boundaries. once you have this implemen 1701092;1503169663;mircea_popescu;ted, ie, natural size + natural boundaries, you are left with a pile of usable tools which naturally construct a solution for any ~possible~ problem. 1701093;1503169743;mircea_popescu;software is the worst offender here, but hardware is also pretty bad. consider -- i don't want to buy "A fridge", i should buy standardized compressor units, and so on. why do i want "the fridge" ? there's no need to debate "whirlpool" vs "obamacare". compare discrete items. 1701094;1503169780;spyked;diana_coman, but giumale retired. btw, I know he made a Lisp machine clone back in the 80s. the hardware might be lying around somewhere in the faculty. 1701095;1503169905;spyked;mircea_popescu, I agree. do you mean"the fridge" as in somewhat close to the platonic fridge? 1701096;1503169907;mircea_popescu;romania's computer independence program huh. 1701097;1503169941;mircea_popescu;spyked consider that most consumer products come kitted anyway, and when you buy a car your question is "well is the engine from mexico or brazil or germany ? is this the original transmission ?" etc. 1701098;1503169973;mircea_popescu;i assemble my computer out of parts to no great sufferance, and get for my trouble a much better computer than any of the pre-made buying dorks. 1701099;1503169987;mircea_popescu;and i bet you have ikea shit within eyesight right now. 1701100;1503170013;spyked;(not really. :) desk was custom made) 1701101;1503170030;mircea_popescu;so chechen kalash copy ? 1701102;1503170041;mircea_popescu;ie, was custom made out of ikea materials by a local craftsman with shittier tools ? 1701103;1503170061;asciilifeform;spyked: i'd be curious to see the ro lm 1701104;1503170065;mircea_popescu;btw, incredible enough how the borz is not in the logs! pot metal smg yo! 1701105;1503170067;spyked;it's cheap enough to hire a carpenter that I didn't need to buy ikea. and yeah, it's probably cheaper 1701106;1503170088;asciilifeform;docs/srcs more even than machine per se 1701107;1503170107;mircea_popescu;spyked was it a cartpenter you hired, ie, a guy who worked in wood, or was it an ikea clonal system you hired, ie a guy who went to a central warehouse where they cut some glue-dust planks to his spec ? 1701108;1503170107;shinohai;http://archive.is/AWXjR <<< no confederate flag? BOYCOT 1701109;1503170122;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> romania's computer independence program huh. <- most of the old profs at UPB that I still got to know had worked on some parts of that from what I gathered 1701110;1503170129;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i could've sworn we did borz 1701111;1503170131;asciilifeform;and skorpion 1701112;1503170137;diana_coman;prolly all dead/retired by now 1701113;1503170165;spyked;mircea_popescu, obviously second, lol. 1701114;1503170174;mircea_popescu;well then. 1701115;1503170202;mircea_popescu;diana_coman aha. most of anything left standing were parts of that. "greaua mostenire a epocii ceausescu" 1701116;1503170206;spyked;asciilifeform, I'll ask around, see if I can dig stuff out of the archives (assuming there are archives) 1701117;1503170265;mircea_popescu;spyked see, the thing with orc lands is that they have this. borz, chechen made smg. the egyptians made engine parts to VISUAL spec, by hand. i saw this. guy here offered to produce a replacement pressure hose for me, by visual inspection. 1701118;1503170281;mircea_popescu;this is artisanship, after a fashion, but not to be confused with the genuine article imo. 1701119;1503170300;mircea_popescu;they're the ~copies~ of minoan vases produced in syria, not the actual minoan vases. 1701120;1503170321;spyked;yeah, but must still be of some use though. I don't know if there's even a genuine Lisp machine in ro 1701121;1503170370;mircea_popescu;anyway. the point being that competition should happen on narrower elements. 1701122;1503170387;mircea_popescu;cli works fine because of the | and so on. 1701123;1503170412;mircea_popescu;the correct move is towards a |ing of hardware, and of software, and everything else. 1701124;1503170446;mircea_popescu;if i decide to reconfigure my car into an electric generator or a super strenght fridge or lawn mower or helicopter, I SHOULD BE FUCKING ABLE TO. 1701125;1503170467;mircea_popescu;generation of kids who all loved legos and their world is more fragmented in stupider ways than the 1600s mercantilist world. wtf. 1701126;1503170474;asciilifeform;did we ever do hitler's yacht ? 1701127;1503170551;asciilifeform;it was a diesel-electric. was taken as spoils by su, and briefly was the only source of mains current in odessa when asciilifeform's father moved there as a boy 1701128;1503170558;asciilifeform;reconfigured into genset 1701129;1503170653;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701101 << much moar schmeisser than kalash really 1701130;1503170653;a111;Logged on 2017-08-19 19:13 mircea_popescu: so chechen kalash copy ? 1701131;1503170907;mircea_popescu;well in truth it was kind of a single name for many random items 1701132;1503170968;spyked;asciilifeform, found something (in romanian) http://www.atic.org.ro/ktml2/files/uploads/Masina%20DIALISP.pdf there's also a more detailed english version on ACM sci-hub http://dl.acm.org.sci-hub.cc/citation.cfm?id=802028# 1701133;1503173058;asciilifeform;lol 'junkyard wars' scheme79 1701134;1503173359;BingoBoingo; tahts why you go to US and see everyone in new BMWs << LOL, which US are you smoking? 1701135;1503173897;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo so what's the story, is flake making it in az ? << My lulz scroted crystal ball is hazy at the moment 1701136;1503177419;jurov; https://i.imgur.com/KzTKHfO 1701137;1503177658;BingoBoingo;!~later tell r0nin- I don't talk privates with stangers 1701138;1503177658;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1701139;1503179205;BingoBoingo;Shame this poor mother can't send the author back for a warranty claim. https://archive.is/phQzk 1701140;1503182097;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/boston-free-speech-rally-quashed-by-pro-censorship-forces-pickup-truck-bed-flag-index-climbs/ << Qntra - Boston Free Speech Rally Quashed By Pro-Censorship Forces, Pickup Truck Bed Flag Index Climbs 1701141;1503186817;mircea_popescu;!!up valentinbuza 1701142;1503186817;deedbot; voiced for 30 minutes. 1701143;1503186822;mircea_popescu;ahhh bbq 1701144;1503186893;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701132 << lovely 1701145;1503186893;a111;Logged on 2017-08-19 19:29 spyked: asciilifeform, found something (in romanian) http://www.atic.org.ro/ktml2/files/uploads/Masina%20DIALISP.pdf there's also a more detailed english version on ACM sci-hub http://dl.acm.org.sci-hub.cc/citation.cfm?id=802028# 1701146;1503187026;phf;fwiw, if the goal is to put an existing lisp machine onto an fpga, then i don't think macivory is a particularly good target. the goal would be to run Genera, which is severely lacking sources for critical components. 1701147;1503187129;mircea_popescu;i was just providing him entry points 1701148;1503187153;*;phf adjusts his pocket protector 1701149;1503187183;mircea_popescu;lol 1701150;1503187186;mircea_popescu;why genera though ? 1701151;1503187203;mircea_popescu;!!up valentinbuza 1701152;1503187204;deedbot;valentinbuza voiced for 30 minutes. 1701153;1503187276;mircea_popescu;and in other tight couplings, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1d311e42a24764b32eb521e60adcfd62/tumblr_nt9ft5KbHE1tcl9sho1_500.gif 1701154;1503187396;phf;genera is the software layer to ivory's hardware, it's usually what people are talking about when "superior development environment!11" etc. symbolics architecture is crufty idiosyncratic, so taking its hardware without also the software doesn't make sense 1701155;1503187470;mircea_popescu;so you want to implement the software in fpga ? 1701156;1503187527;phf;no, what i'm saying, so you have your ivory running on hardware, now what? you can start writing systems lisp from scratch or you boot genera. 1701157;1503187542;mircea_popescu;ah. well sure, boot genera 1701158;1503187548;mircea_popescu;though is it actually documented at all ? 1701159;1503187572;phf;it's well documented (in before "ascii: i have all 12 books on shelves right here" 1701160;1503187573;phf;) 1701161;1503187578;mircea_popescu;cool. 1701162;1503187582;mircea_popescu;so genera-ivory then 1701163;1503187605;phf;but it doesn't have all the source code. 1701164;1503187609;mircea_popescu;lol 1701165;1503187630;phf;yeah, i fat fingured enter before making the entire point 1701166;1503187665;phf;i'm actually not even sure how much code is there, but what's critically missing is the low level bits that talk to hardware 1701167;1503187708;phf;so now you're stuck with bitcoin, AND you also need to write say 20% of it from scratch while conforming to existing protocols 1701168;1503187734;mircea_popescu;wait, what ? 1701169;1503187776;phf;in a sense that it's a massive code base that works, but if you want to have full ownership, you'll have to fill the source-less bits yourself 1701170;1503187795;mircea_popescu;i c 1701171;1503187915;phf;there are extant lisp machines that have both hardware documentation and system sources, for example MIT's CADR, but cadr specifically predates symbolics by a dozen of years, was developed by academia, so it's nowhere near as advanced as genera 1701172;1503187960;phf;(cadr is what all those mit alumni were trying to commercialize at symbolics and elsewhere) 1701173;1503188687;mircea_popescu;aha 1701174;1503189032;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1701175;1503189048;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4047.42, vol: 15156.11061014 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4081.7, vol: 42660.54035259 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4195.699501, vol: 25297.94210000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4134.998, vol: 5191.23005946 | Volume-weighted last average: 4111.60837286 1701176;1503190026;asciilifeform;phf: i'd rather spend next decade reversing the bolix firmware, than wintel liquishit 1701177;1503190064;asciilifeform;( for one thing, bolix is comparatively small, quasi-logical, and nonmoving target ) 1701178;1503190074;asciilifeform;and product of men, not monkeys 1701179;1503190139;asciilifeform;best of all, of course, would be for somebody to leak / steal the missing bits. 1701180;1503190275;asciilifeform;failing this, could start with cadr and slowly backport bolix envir. 1701181;1503190298;asciilifeform;( cadr was fpgaized a while back , by b. parker ) 1701182;1503190341;asciilifeform;you wouldn't want to use it nakedly tho -- tiny, by modern standards, addr space 1701183;1503190346;asciilifeform;and arch was dirty 1701184;1503190364;phf;fyi if you actually try running b parker's code you'll notice that it's not actually anywhere near working state. 1701185;1503190372;asciilifeform;i.e. baked around various arithm chips available at the time, rather than raw transistor 1701186;1503190389;asciilifeform;phf: i haven't tried the fpga one 1701187;1503190399;asciilifeform;the pc emu quasi-worked 1701188;1503190506;phf;but i agree on the overall points, though moving forward from cadr wouldn't be so much backporting, as "writing in the missing bits" 1701189;1503190618;asciilifeform;ideally would end with the 'good parts' -- the genera envir -- without the rubbish ( the byzantine hacks around specific amd alu chip quirks, the multitude of special purpose busses, the constricted addrspace ) 1701190;1503190685;asciilifeform;the sad part is , apart from the ONE basic win ( tagged word memory ) the lm arch was ~= that kalash, 'shit bolted to all sides' 1701191;1503190721;phf;well, it's the prototypical "mud ball" 1701192;1503190746;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that the mud was never scraped 1701193;1503190763;asciilifeform;afaik even ivory has, e.g., 'spy bus', internally 1701194;1503190904;phf;that's a good kind of spy bus though, back when names for things were innocent. it's not like some kind of "Putting You In Control Bus!11(tm)(c)" 1701195;1503191992;mircea_popescu;and in other couples, http://68.media.tumblr.com/07e78476529bf98675c72ebdc456a5df/tumblr_nbsagh1pwo1s5gthao1_1280.jpg 1701196;1503192202;mircea_popescu;!~later tell spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/062-greenspan-assault-on-integrity.html << the problem with this view is that the pantsuits correctly intuit that all the imbeciles they enfranchised are sitll imbeciles. consequently it would be no harm to a business' reputation to sell them iguanas on a stick and call it prime beef. they will never know ; and casual perusal of tardstalk "investor" as well as "community disc 1701197;1503192202;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: No closing quotation 1701198;1503192202;mircea_popescu;ussion" underneath any scam whatsoever will readilty vindicate this point. 1701199;1503192228;mircea_popescu;there is ~no possibility~ of such a tging as reputation among africans, shamanists, idiots, "what good are square roots" and other sub-human non-people. 1701200;1503192357;mircea_popescu;ah nm, you get to it anyway. 1701201;1503192598;asciilifeform;phf: lolyes it was debug bus 1701202;1503192614;asciilifeform;before nonsensical committee name 'jtag' etc 1701203;1503192650;asciilifeform;you could umbilical 2 lm's with it, 1 rides the other 1701204;1503199634;mircea_popescu;!~later tell spyked corning gorilla glass is just alumino-silicate glass made by corning. there's a bunch others. think of it as cheap bohemian glass, that thing we had the 10kg fruit bowls etc, "cristal". that's leaded, this is aluminized. 1701205;1503199634;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1701206;1503199858;*;asciilifeform was just drinking from these 1701207;1503199868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescuine vintage, even 1701208;1503199894;mircea_popescu;anyway. the idea of forced ion exchange so the surface gets potassium-doped and thus micro-tensed and somewhat stronger is not bad. 1701209;1503199907;mircea_popescu;not new, either. only became cost effective recently, but otherwise this is 1960s tech 1701210;1503199968;asciilifeform;tensed glass is veerry old idea - recall 'prince rupert's tears' 1701211;1503199986;mircea_popescu;the problem with these "breakthroughs" and "genius inventions" in the industrial setting is that they're generally ancient lore finally dug from under the mound of economical impracticability. 1701212;1503200027;asciilifeform;by that token, heron's steam turbine.. 1701213;1503200265;mircea_popescu;maybe, though really, it was cost effective in 200bc. they were just dumb. 1701214;1503200280;mircea_popescu;but the greeks had the metallurgy to introduce the early steam engine, just like the english did. 1701215;1503200296;asciilifeform;not sure about this 1701216;1503200307;asciilifeform;they lacked the screw cutter, for instance 1701217;1503200316;mircea_popescu;consider, they made bronze statues. and had very advanced pottery. 1701218;1503200319;asciilifeform;( the metallurgical lathe, that is ) 1701219;1503200328;mircea_popescu;they DID make some bronzeamphorae. but had no idea what to do with it. 1701220;1503200379;asciilifeform;need lathe for symmetrical parts. 1701221;1503200398;mircea_popescu;you don't need symmetrical parts to make steam engine. 1701222;1503200400;asciilifeform;( leaving aside the notion of bronze pressure vessel ) 1701223;1503200414;asciilifeform;depends, on what is meant 'steam engine' 1701224;1503200422;mircea_popescu;item that turns fire into movement. 1701225;1503200446;asciilifeform;well if you dun care what kind of movement - they had it 1701226;1503200446;mircea_popescu;for same applications as historically -- mining first, then crop/textile processing, then boat power. 1701227;1503200466;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform could have refined it once started, much like the english did. 1701228;1503200486;mircea_popescu;in point of fact there was NO item more advanced in 1700 england trhan there was available in 200bc athens. 1701229;1503200490;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that metal lathe was created and refined pre- steam 1701230;1503200495;asciilifeform;cannon-making. 1701231;1503200510;mircea_popescu;the greeks had better shipwrights, better mathematicians, better everything. 1701232;1503200525;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they had cannons, just didn't use them as cannons because no gunpowder. 1701233;1503200533;asciilifeform;better everything but off-arse-gettin' 1701234;1503200544;asciilifeform;lol 1701235;1503200548;mircea_popescu;that. or good fortune. 1701236;1503200592;mircea_popescu;anyway, funny thing re bronze : it needs tin. as far as ancient world is concerned, copper was uberabundant (cyprus) but tin was either england or anatolia 1701237;1503200597;mircea_popescu;neither a very convenient proposition. 1701238;1503200779;mircea_popescu;but ifg you look at the 1k pre-bc greek cauldrons, the similarity to 1500 ad english castle pots is striking. just... the metal is about 100x finer in the ancient case. 1701239;1503200952;asciilifeform;what's a castle pot 1701240;1503200973;asciilifeform;...the item one boils in oil in? 1701241;1503201004;mircea_popescu;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e7Vp6Pa00SM/UZvLa8CFMLI/AAAAAAAACWU/NJf-WVxqyD4/s1600/UK+Warwick+Castle+021.jpg << example i've personally inspected. 1701242;1503201037;asciilifeform;aah so it 1701243;1503201079;mircea_popescu;the greek items can grow larger, and offer no visible seam, and so on. 1701244;1503201153;asciilifeform;neato 1701245;1503201192;asciilifeform;( but is it possible that the seam vanished from corrosion, with rest of surface? in ancient pot ) 1701246;1503201245;mircea_popescu;well since the pot is still there, how'd the seam vanish from corrosion. 1701247;1503201249;mircea_popescu;and what corrodes bronze ? 1701248;1503201325;asciilifeform;acidic soil ? 1701249;1503201385;mircea_popescu;this is like 9 yo telling you that the bath dissolved her snatch. you can't corrode just the seam, as a concept, leaving behind the item without a seam can oyu. 1701250;1503201412;asciilifeform;well no, not just seam, but whole outer n mm of item 1701251;1503201441;mircea_popescu;seems improbable. 1701252;1503234252;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the world of traitorously redacted wickylicks, https://archive.is/Zus30 1701253;1503235542;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1701254;1503235550;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4035.49, vol: 9850.45697066 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4102.8, vol: 26447.6382123 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4163.920701, vol: 11144.98870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4104.317, vol: 4434.94764796 | Volume-weighted last average: 4103.27964578 1701255;1503235799;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1701256;1503235800;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 481396 | Current Difficulty: 9.23233068448E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 481823 | Next Difficulty In: 427 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1701257;1503236979;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B2458231AF1BE96E2DA3BF3D854A4127510AB16FEF900B4C2BED23EDBEE94BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1745...6777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.52.12.131 (ssh-rsa key from 200.52.12.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (dns1.axtel.net. MX NLE) 1701258;1503236979;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B2458231AF1BE96E2DA3BF3D854A4127510AB16FEF900B4C2BED23EDBEE94BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...1523 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.52.12.131 (ssh-rsa key from 200.52.12.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (dns1.axtel.net. MX NLE) 1701259;1503256144;phf;!~later tell spyked damn you, i spent an entire night playing slither.io 1701260;1503256144;jhvh1;phf: The operation succeeded. 1701261;1503256159;phf;showed it to my girl in the morning, she said something along the lines of "bless your heart" 1701262;1503256310;mircea_popescu;lmao 1701263;1503259038;mircea_popescu;!!up valentinbuza 1701264;1503259039;deedbot;valentinbuza voiced for 30 minutes. 1701265;1503259044;mircea_popescu;and who might you be ? 1701266;1503259064;valentinbuza;valentinbuza = valica, we talked a few days ago 1701267;1503259214;valentinbuza;I have some clarification about choudary dude. He is a recent professor (1 year) at our university. The course is called "advanced" because from this year onwards will be advanced material. 1701268;1503259215;mircea_popescu;ag 1701269;1503259221;mircea_popescu;!!key valentinbuza 1701270;1503259222;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/1C5F3DEFE26D26256550F715E2E9B1EEEFBB8003.asc 1701271;1503259235;mircea_popescu;!!rate valentinbuza 1 Ro kid, studies advanced cryptographies and things. 1701272;1503259236;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mo4Ow/?raw=true 1701273;1503259273;mircea_popescu;!!v 8BA76455A2533D5D3F55FD051D23ECF828EC1B474B1C85D9DEA162A31E78C589 1701274;1503259274;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated valentinbuza 1 << Ro kid, studies advanced cryptographies and things. 1701275;1503259275;valentinbuza;Because our students did not have any background on crypto. He chose to repeat material from "Introducere in criptologie", a course for 4th years undergrads. 1701276;1503259287;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1701277;1503259301;mircea_popescu;ah i see. 1701278;1503259304;valentinbuza;as you can see https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/ic/start, the material is the same as "advanced" course 1701279;1503259316;valentinbuza;disclosure: will be TA for both courses 1701280;1503259412;mircea_popescu;good for you! 1701281;1503259497;valentinbuza;it's nice for CS students to have such opportunities as math universities dominated* crypto scene. 1701282;1503259553;mircea_popescu;uh. say wut ? 1701283;1503259600;valentinbuza;I say that ACS (Automatica si calculatoare) did not have a crypto course until last year. 1701284;1503259655;valentinbuza;While other universities (Math Unibuc) had some. 1701285;1503259688;mircea_popescu;ah 1701286;1503259743;diana_coman;valentinbuza, is this yours? http://cs.curs.pub.ro/wiki/pm/prj2015/avoinescu/x0lcd 1701287;1503259760;valentinbuza;yeah. it sucks 1701288;1503259767;diana_coman;aha 1701289;1503260248;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/tute/ << Trilema - Tute 1701290;1503261153;mircea_popescu;valentinbuza you can self voice, say !!up to deedbot. 1701291;1503261323;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/20/bchbcc-to-btc-brokerage/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - BCH/BCC to BTC brokerage 1701292;1503262425;mircea_popescu;yo pete dushenski! 1701293;1503263572;mircea_popescu;and in other heart shapes, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ca75e1bdb7d88cc7cc2d285eee7634d6/tumblr_nbwg21kIVh1s9gtmoo1_1280.jpg 1701294;1503269133;BingoBoingo;In the new Background radiation https://archive.is/RtsFa 1701295;1503269442;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, her solution is to not leave the house ? 1701296;1503269446;mircea_popescu;how about not driving drunk. 1701297;1503270463;asciilifeform;in the land of pubs with 400 car lots 1701298;1503270520;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's not about what she does, not an agent. She's merely an environmental hazard. 1701299;1503270536;asciilifeform;!!v r0nin- 1701300;1503270539;mircea_popescu;heh. 1701301;1503270541;asciilifeform;Agrr 1701302;1503270547;asciilifeform;!!up r0nin- 1701303;1503270548;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1701304;1503270552;r0nin-;gentlemen 1701305;1503270558;BingoBoingo;Well, She isn't actually. She's part of the environmental hazard 1701306;1503270588;r0nin-;mircea_popescu: are you familiar with codreanu? 1701307;1503270623;mircea_popescu;is this a live character ? 1701308;1503270648;r0nin-;Cornelius Codreanu 1701309;1503270673;mircea_popescu;ah. i tried to (intellectually, and financially) sponsor the "romanian new right". they weren'tr capable of digestion. 1701310;1503270691;mircea_popescu;that's the extent of familiarity, i had to review the god-awful prose of the interwar imbeciles as part of writing the programme. 1701311;1503270754;r0nin-;any familiarity with evola 1701312;1503270764;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/noua-carticica.pdf << end produict, for the curious. 1701313;1503270779;mircea_popescu;r0nin- sure, about 50% of the girls "think he's great" pre-enslavement. 1701314;1503270825;mircea_popescu;!#s julius evola 1701315;1503270826;a111;5 results for "julius evola", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=julius%20evola 1701316;1503270830;r0nin-;mircea: ive got some interesting reading for you 1701317;1503270836;r0nin-;https://www.amazon.com/dp/1521824355 1701318;1503270882;r0nin-;phf: i thought dark enlightenment completely discredited itself, by trying to julius evola while neckbeard 1701319;1503270883;r0nin-;lol 1701320;1503270929;mircea_popescu;the odds of my reading amazon offerings of ustardian pantsuit nonsense are nil. 1701321;1503270945;r0nin-;its actually the opposite 1701322;1503270955;mircea_popescu;no. it is actually trying to bill itself as the opposite. 1701323;1503270969;r0nin-;well i believe the content is available off amazon too 1701324;1503270971;mircea_popescu;it can't be the opposite. not on amazon, not with the stupid title, not with that schmuck from "culture wars" magazine hurr durr. 1701325;1503270976;mircea_popescu;it';s the exact same thing. 1701326;1503271022;mircea_popescu;r0nin- let's put it this way : i'll take an us author seriously ONLY AFTER he has underage porn on display somewhere. 1701327;1503271026;mircea_popescu;minimum bar to "opposite" 1701328;1503271988;shinohai;http://oglaf.com/haft/ 1701329;1503272686;phf;that oglaf is apropos thread above 1701330;1503272790;phf;little known fact, mircea eliade was at some point a member of iron guard, and later tried to repent, mostly to preserve his academic legitimacy. still some accuse him of peddling evolan party line under the guise of legitimate scholarship. he was ousted by his own student 1701331;1503273022;phf;one, Ioan Culianu, who was in turn killed in 91, some say over his criticism of romanian right, but of course we all know that he was dispatched by the occult interests over his research in that field. 1701332;1503280716;hanbot;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-20#186825 << http://trilema.com/2013/romanias-new-right/ probably better reference. 1701333;1503281960;mike_c;!~later tell Birdman here's a new version: 1701334;1503281961;jhvh1;mike_c: The operation succeeded. 1701335;1503281980;mike_c;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Rdydw/?raw=true 1701336;1503282011;mike_c;This only identifies hands where someone put money in the pot and wasn't in the summary. Cuts it down to 1,591 bad hands out of the 300k 1701337;1503282032;mike_c;I can't actually fix the numbers for you, because the numbers are wrong. Note in the example how it says the small blind was 1 million and change. 1701338;1503282040;mike_c;But that should get you the hands you are interested in. 1701339;1503282087;mike_c;asciilifeform - closed turd client was necessary because I didn't think this would even work, and it was one time thing. so not worth investing time in vs. spinning up VM and then destroying it. 1701340;1503282169;mike_c;!!up Birdman 1701341;1503282170;deedbot;Birdman voiced for 30 minutes. 1701342;1503282187;Birdman;yeah for some reason i think it lists the blind number instead of just what the blind is. that must have been the one million and change blind posted 1701343;1503282240;Birdman;but this is still really helpful helpful, so no luck on listing the hand winners ? 1701344;1503282292;mike_c;you mean fixing the amounts? no, not with all the corrupted numbers in there 1701345;1503282438;Birdman;no the amount but the name that one 1701346;1503282483;Birdman;won* 1701347;1503282544;mike_c;Uh, sure, that's easy. Just for the bad hands you mean? 1701348;1503282567;Birdman;yes 1701349;1503283263;mike_c;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Rkg8q/?raw=true 1701350;1503283263;jhvh1;mike_c: The operation succeeded. 1701351;1503283473;Birdman; right now it lists the players that left right? 1701352;1503283556;mike_c;it lists the missing player(s) 1701353;1503283634;Birdman;ah yeah, did i request that, i dont know why i would lol, its the winners of the hands i need to de clutter 1701354;1503283710;mike_c;Birdman: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fYi4o/?raw=true 1701355;1503283930;Birdman;thanks! 1701356;1503284691;phf;i went reading slime/swank pull request conversations on github (i know my mistake!) and it's all the usual wreckers there. 1701357;1503284732;phf;fare: "I'm all for supporting old implementations (we support Genera, furgossake), but that's very different from supporting an old ASDF. ASDF was designed to be self-upgradable precisely so that the way to deal with an old ASDF is to upgrade it." 1701358;1503284819;phf;"Can we declare ASDF < 2.26 dead? Actually, if we can also declare 2.26 dead and say everyone has ASDF 3, that's even better." 1701359;1503284923;phf;from "SBCL: use weak hashtables for thread accounting" attila-lendvai "it's not backwards compatible with old SBCL versions, but SBCL has proper weak hashtable support for several years now" 1701360;1503285051;phf;from "Change some defaults to more reasonable values" attila-lendvai "the key bindings in the connection list are currently very dangerous when using with production systems, e.g. killing the connected lisp is bound to a mere C-k." 1701361;1503285084;phf;and on and on and on. march of progress 1701362;1503285191;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701357 << ftfy "ASDF __3__ was __re__designed to be self-upgradable __by me__ precisely so that etc" 1701363;1503285191;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 03:05 phf: fare: "I'm all for supporting old implementations (we support Genera, furgossake), but that's very different from supporting an old ASDF. ASDF was designed to be self-upgradable precisely so that the way to deal with an old ASDF is to upgrade it." 1701364;1503288280;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-20#1701331 << for the curious http://linguafranca.mirror.theinfo.org/9209/culianu.html 1701365;1503288280;a111;Logged on 2017-08-20 23:50 phf: one, Ioan Culianu, who was in turn killed in 91, some say over his criticism of romanian right, but of course we all know that he was dispatched by the occult interests over his research in that field. 1701366;1503289892;mircea_popescu;hanbot yeah that's a point. 1701367;1503289969;BingoBoingo;Laments from the deaf http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8704 1701368;1503290081;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701361 << hey, it's not like herdemocracy happens on accident. insistently, persistently built why whole swathes of shitheads. 1701369;1503290081;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 03:11 phf: and on and on and on. march of progress 1701370;1503290166;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701362 << this probably captures the "stealing by name" pantsuit doctrine best. 1701371;1503290166;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 03:13 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701357 << ftfy "ASDF __3__ was __re__designed to be self-upgradable __by me__ precisely so that etc" 1701372;1503290299;mircea_popescu;phf fwiw, culianu was actually killed by the national-socialist PCR (romanian communist party). 1701373;1503290650;mircea_popescu;anyway, eliade's iron guard affiliations are very far from a little known fact. i'd wager more people know about that than ever read any of his books, let alone understood such. 1701374;1503290663;mircea_popescu;and maitreyi is mandatory reading in highschool! 1701375;1503290804;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sounds more like dood is taking a (dramatic) vacation than anything. 1701376;1503291388;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Likely he's in a high noise bubble 1701377;1503291438;phf;well, tbh i only just learned that the two knew each other. evola is mentioned in eliade's books, but only in connection to his books on subj, like "the yoga of power" and his study of pali canon 1701378;1503291608;phf;and the introductions to eliade's book don't go into apologism (unlike evola books, all the english translations require an mandatory disclaimer, that he was a racist, but only a little!1) 1701379;1503291820;phf;in other words i'm slowly discovering that there's life west of moscow, but before you hit berlin :o 1701380;1503293656;mircea_popescu;lmao 1701381;1503293780;mircea_popescu;for the record, most of what orcs (ie, americans, russians, etc) think when they imagine "Great Ole European CULTURE!!" is actually exactly between moscow and berlin : 100% spritz and http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-09#1195397 1701382;1503293780;a111;Logged on 2015-07-09 18:44 asciilifeform: !s царь-государь 1701383;1503293837;mircea_popescu;there was one major cultural power in the time uncultivated minds can furthest think back to, a time whose murmurs come to them through the great-grandparents, and that time wasn't napoleon 3's paris. it was vienna. 1701384;1503294492;mircea_popescu;phf also worth bearing in mind that point re introductions in the rothbard series. people more recent than the author daring to pen introductions are the exact equivalents of herostratus ; and to be treated no better. 1701385;1503296421;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/minor-pantsuit-apologizes-for-crime-against-trump/ << Qntra - Minor Pantsuit Apologizes For Crime Against Trump 1701386;1503296473;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wasn't serious, she put no btc on it. 1701387;1503296524;BingoBoingo;Well, zher democracy can't be that serious if they can't hold the line 1701388;1503296546;mircea_popescu;i thought that was the whole slippery point of zher, that there's a hole not a line. 1701389;1503296582;BingoBoingo;They can't even bend their own to follow the groupthink when targeted for the minute of hate 1701390;1503296617;BingoBoingo;Anyways, obeasts don't have proper holes. Gravity and all that. 1701391;1503296618;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "no means yes" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/21c5230f077f68c7f921beb9c304ffc9/tumblr_nwcnedWJl41thkzd8o1_500.gif 1701392;1503296629;BingoBoingo;Holes collapse on themselves 1701393;1503296643;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo are you thinking of gas giants ? 1701394;1503296644;BingoBoingo;Means Means Anal! 1701395;1503296650;BingoBoingo;Hamplanets! 1701396;1503296695;BingoBoingo;Gas giants are what happens when you take hamplanets to Applebees 1701397;1503296701;mircea_popescu;lol 1701398;1503297013;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/a-face-in-the-crowd/ << Trilema - A Face in the Crowd 1701399;1503297092;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-friday/ << Remember 1701400;1503297131;BingoBoingo;Serious petrofood stink with those gas giants 1701401;1503297341;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2017/a-face-in-the-crowd/#comment-122723 http://nation.foxnews.com/?q=health-care/2010/09/08/obamacare-destroys-andy-griffiths-approval-rating 1701402;1503297615;mircea_popescu;lol! 1701403;1503297623;mircea_popescu;eh wtf he cares, old fart with santa monica house. 1701404;1503297687;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo amusingly, the "welfare state" / entitlement program is actually discussed in the film! 1701405;1503297698;*;BingoBoingo puts on list to see 1701406;1503297708;mircea_popescu;griffith is against. matthau comments importantly that "at least he has the courage of his ignorance". 1701407;1503297714;BingoBoingo;After tomorrow's obligatory watching of dragon consuming sun. 1701408;1503297726;mircea_popescu;matthau being a great actor and an utterly iconic libertard imbecile. 1701409;1503298399;mircea_popescu;and in other "us entrepreneurship" aka "the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?", i give you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyw3lZ8Jw7E 1701410;1503315162;spyked;phf, asciilifeform: re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701146 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-20#1701180 <-- thanks for all the refs. my initial plan was to start from whatever SECD papers I could find and better understand architecture specifics. 1701411;1503315162;a111;Logged on 2017-08-19 23:57 phf: fwiw, if the goal is to put an existing lisp machine onto an fpga, then i don't think macivory is a particularly good target. the goal would be to run Genera, which is severely lacking sources for critical components. 1701412;1503315162;a111;Logged on 2017-08-20 00:51 asciilifeform: failing this, could start with cadr and slowly backport bolix envir. 1701413;1503315228;spyked;also, is there any worth in trying to "physicalize" the virtual lisp machine stuff? genera runs on that from what I read. 1701414;1503315711;spyked;!~later tell mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-20#1701196 <-- yah, but does protecting the "proles" from own stupidity even make any sense as a statement? sorta relates to idea on Trilema on whether the empire wanted to arrive to this point (can't find it right now). enfranchisement of the stupid directly lead to that. 1701415;1503315711;a111;Logged on 2017-08-20 01:23 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/062-greenspan-assault-on-integrity.html << the problem with this view is that the pantsuits correctly intuit that all the imbeciles they enfranchised are sitll imbeciles. consequently it would be no harm to a business' reputation to sell them iguanas on a stick and call it prime beef. they will never know ; and casual perusal of tardstalk "investor" as well as "community disc 1701416;1503315711;jhvh1;spyked: The operation succeeded. 1701417;1503315945;spyked;phf, slither.io is very similar to agar.io, which was similarly addictive back in the day. killed a lot of hours with it, so from that perspective, definitely wouldn't recommend trying it 1701418;1503316390;spyked;hey valentinbuza. you beat me to /join-ing #trilema. :) 1701419;1503316486;spyked;oh, btw 1701420;1503316497;spyked;!!rate mircea_popescu 4 master of three-lemmas, bludgeoner of sinners 1701421;1503316499;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7Ygyf/?raw=true 1701422;1503316566;spyked;!!v C629131A95F6D5771C913AE538CFB1B39FB07945A2BD411D3E2ED61EE9DE3A93 1701423;1503316566;deedbot;spyked rated mircea_popescu 4 << master of three-lemmas, bludgeoner of sinners 1701424;1503316613;spyked;!!rate asciilifeform 2 voice of sane computing 1701425;1503316615;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/u3P5B/?raw=true 1701426;1503316638;spyked;!!v EA5F068678EEE9ECD16B49045910E1F3615062DDD3F9AAD21E52990B3F1F2980 1701427;1503316638;deedbot;spyked rated asciilifeform 2 << voice of sane computing 1701428;1503316646;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701413 << to get the fuck off unix and pc. permanently. 1701429;1503316646;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 11:33 spyked: also, is there any worth in trying to "physicalize" the virtual lisp machine stuff? genera runs on that from what I read. 1701430;1503316667;asciilifeform;rather than merely paper over them 1701431;1503316766;asciilifeform;a sane comp is a box with NO unix in it, anywhere. 1701432;1503316846;spyked;!!rate valentinbuza 3 fierce hacker, cracker with research mindset 1701433;1503316846;asciilifeform;1 level below, x86/arm/pci,sata,usb, etc play same role as unix and microshit -- accumulated layer of sewage 1701434;1503316849;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WNenm/?raw=true 1701435;1503316871;spyked;!!v 5D865AC4F5962CA4FBA83B49EA73346177A614AD1068AB4638006E5B90F145B1 1701436;1503316872;deedbot;spyked rated valentinbuza 3 << fierce hacker, cracker with research mindset 1701437;1503316936;spyked;asciilifeform, yeha agreed. was wondering whether it's worth using the virtual machine as a starting point. 1701438;1503316971;asciilifeform;inho not 1701439;1503316975;spyked;although I'm expecting the code to have its own hacks 1701440;1503316986;asciilifeform;*imho 1701441;1503317011;asciilifeform;for starters, it is buggy 1701442;1503317051;asciilifeform;( as in - crashes ) 1701443;1503317080;asciilifeform;whereas physical 'ivory' happily did multi year uptime 1701444;1503317157;spyked;ok, so to sum up; 1. get ice40 fpga; 2. run fpga lisp machine (cadr?); work from that towards symbolics/ivory, or the other way around starting from symbolics. 1701445;1503317175;asciilifeform;the other aspect, vlm is a massive bucket of c liquishit, and not at all a compact description of the arch 1701446;1503317204;asciilifeform;spyked: we have loooooong way to go - try and make a ddr controller first 1701447;1503317232;asciilifeform;to do this, will need to make world's first ice40+ddr board -- none exist 1701448;1503317277;asciilifeform;and no , NOT a matter of 'take opencores hdl and port' 1701449;1503317325;asciilifeform;you gotta minimize the delay and specify gates MANUALLY for the specific fpga 1701450;1503317402;asciilifeform;after this, comes ethernet 1701451;1503317422;spyked;was trying to get a perspective on things. I haven't dabbled in hardware since 3rd uni year (that was almost 8 years ago). and even then... well, I got a lot to learn. 1701452;1503317450;asciilifeform;spyked: you will find that none of the existing literature is of any help 1701453;1503317544;spyked;asciilifeform, what do you think of minimal baremetal implementation of Lisp (RISC assembly only) on something like a MIPS core? I might be thinking this in too abstract terms, it's definitely not that easy. but I'm trying to find a middle way between working FPGA Lisp machine and Lisp on unix. 1701454;1503317615;spyked;bbl 1701455;1503317748;asciilifeform;spyked: i tried this, it's a dead end because papers over idiot hardware rather than replaces. and does not yield hardware sovereignty-- you are at the mercy of the chipmaker's continued making of 100% compatible cpu & peripherals 1701456;1503317834;asciilifeform;and there must be NO non-taggedwords code physically anywhere in the machine. 1701457;1503317911;asciilifeform;and not a single flipflop of state that we didn't consciously put there. 1701458;1503317918;*;asciilifeform bbl 1701459;1503318175;valentinbuza;hi spyked. I just read the MP blog a week ago :) saw your old comments 1701460;1503318210;asciilifeform;spyked: i spend 7+ yrs on this approach, and my verdict is that 'middle way' is a DEAD END 1701461;1503318249;asciilifeform;you're welcome to spend 7 more. alternatively you can learn from my work. 1701462;1503318280;asciilifeform;a spoonful of unix in a barrel of honey -> barrel of shit . 1701463;1503321147;spyked;asciilifeform, I see. I thought this would be a way to make the problem easier in the short/medium term. but I've had to deal with being at the mercy of X myself at another level so this makes sense. 1701464;1503324630;mod6;mornin' 1701465;1503324634;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1701466;1503324638;mod6;how goes? 1701467;1503324672;asciilifeform;mod6: mostly snoar 1701468;1503324692;mod6;werd 1701469;1503324699;mod6;coffee time! 1701470;1503324773;asciilifeform;spyked: consider, the amount of arbitrary stupidity you import even ~by having pci bus~ is gargantuan 1701471;1503324776;asciilifeform;!#s dma 1701472;1503324778;a111;89 results for "dma", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dma 1701473;1503324781;asciilifeform;^ some reading 1701474;1503324834;asciilifeform;and elsewhere, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694030 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694068 1701475;1503324834;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 20:55 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform took the chance made by the death of ssd in 'zoolag' to attempt netbsd. result : no boot. ( with or without 'no acpi' ) option, hangs at usb init. 1701476;1503324834;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 22:58 asciilifeform: possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard. 1701477;1503325245;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1701478;1503325257;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4003.84, vol: 7627.72154380 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4018.3, vol: 30043.72095863 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4103.023498, vol: 11645.10190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4019.978, vol: 4926.6004382 | Volume-weighted last average: 4034.60775192 1701479;1503325292;BingoBoingo;OMG, BRB: Dragon About To Consume Sun! 1701480;1503325689;asciilifeform;spyked: as for 'use off the shelf iron', see thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 and elsewhere. 1701481;1503325689;a111;Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set. 1701482;1503325726;asciilifeform;see also the sad story of movitz 1701483;1503325728;asciilifeform;!#s movitz 1701484;1503325729;a111;14 results for "movitz", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=movitz 1701485;1503326473;spyked;asciilifeform, lol, yeah, that's why I gave MIPS as an example. but actually, MIPS on FPGA + MIPS Lisp machine implementation might be more work than starting from CADR. that is, not even accounting for RAM and peripherals 1701486;1503326483;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701443 << another little known fact, there are race conditions in genera itself, that manifest in higher clock environments. 1701487;1503326483;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 12:04 asciilifeform: whereas physical 'ivory' happily did multi year uptime 1701488;1503326576;spyked;I'm still in the process of grokking the DMA+interrupts discussion. 1701489;1503326639;phf;i spent (mostly another whisperer and myself did) on getting vlm stable, and i'm unconvinced that some of the issues we encountered were purely "buggy vlm". there is, for example, a crash in floating point instruction that happens when you load document examiner on stock piratebay opengenera. i have no explanation for it still, because vlm code ~seems to do the right thing~. there are other similar instances 1701490;1503326933;asciilifeform;spyked: forget mips 1701491;1503326940;asciilifeform;and other nontagged cpu. 1701492;1503326946;asciilifeform;they don't belong in the future. 1701493;1503326975;asciilifeform;phf: iron floatingpoint Must Die. 1701494;1503326976;phf;now i didn't find out about race conditions myself, that data point came from dks, they discovered race conditions as part of the emulator rewrite, but they have the benefit of having access to the necessary low level bits 1701495;1503327000;asciilifeform;( and yes genera used it and yes you need it for historically accurate ivorytron. but dun belong in sanecomp. ) 1701496;1503327068;asciilifeform;spyked: designing a reasonably sane ( a la 'scheme79' ) cpu is not actually the hard part. 1701497;1503327116;asciilifeform;reliable controller for usefully large ram, and peripherals ( the only strictly necessary periphs are nic and a reasonable ssd persistent storage ) 1701498;1503327117;asciilifeform;are the hard part. 1701499;1503327145;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544148 <-- ah. precisely the discussion. 1701500;1503327145;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 17:05 phf: take movitz, take lice https://web.archive.org/web/20080624230234/http://www.emmett.ca/~sabetts/, add tcpip stack to it, add irc. what else one needs for tmsr-ing 1701501;1503327199;asciilifeform;spyked: didja miss the part where it runs on no modern nic ? or the thread where ALL modern nics are built to use dma, which gives the nic vendor access to every byte of your ram ? 1701502;1503327234;spyked;asciilifeform, yeah, it's right below phf's initial reply. the whole thing 1701503;1503327293;asciilifeform;sane comp is to be a fully granular description. i.e. if you can still get transistors, you can still build ENTIRE THING. no exceptions. 1701504;1503327313;asciilifeform;no magic 'available until we reversed it, then magically evaporates from market' chips. 1701505;1503327394;asciilifeform;( as for 'ice' itself, if it were to vanish, we can have clones rolling off conveyor in 6mo or so for coupla hundred btc. not so for magical stateful nic etc ) 1701506;1503327441;spyked;yeah, that makes sense. 1701507;1503327544;asciilifeform;phf: what you & dks et al observed is called complexity shitstack collapse. 1701508;1503327546;asciilifeform;it is not curable. 1701509;1503327550;phf;i still stand by this point, but with a disclaimer. i think that one of the advantages early hackers had was that they were working from inside their systems. linus was dogfooding linux, symbolics were using every lisp machine at their disposal to build better lisp machines. i think there's inherent folly in planning a revolution from the comfort of our bourgeois machines :p 1701510;1503327610;asciilifeform;phf: the notion is to build a box with sufficient ram, horse, capacity to drive xterm, so that you can sit down on it and edit the fpga config per se. 1701511;1503327613;asciilifeform;closing the ouroborus. 1701512;1503327640;phf;right, but you can already do that with, say, fpga cadr. it's not necessarily a shiny experience though 1701513;1503327659;asciilifeform;cadr sucks because it was designed around off the shelf alu and misc glue of the time. 1701514;1503327662;asciilifeform;nongranular. 1701515;1503327682;asciilifeform;the designers were crippled by the extreme transistorpoverty of the time. 1701516;1503327795;asciilifeform;there's NO reason to emulate, e.g., amd am2900, for all time. 1701517;1503327883;phf;sure, but chinual is extremely detailed and the ~architecture~ can be improved incrementaly. for example brad's cpu is, yes, implemented as an emulator for a discrete circuit. but at the same time it can be isolated from the bus, put into a determenistic harness, and rewritten from the cpu spec in chinual. 1701518;1503327910;phf;to some extent something like that was done in a transition from 36xx to ivory 1701519;1503327931;asciilifeform;in other, slightly related lulz, http://www.vzpp-s.ru/production/catalog.pdf << ru clones of fairly recent altera fpga !! 1701520;1503327935;phf;i should clarify that rather architecture can be improved ~upon~ incrementaly 1701521;1503327936;asciilifeform;in production today. 1701522;1503327947;asciilifeform;suggests that d00dz have the spec ! somewhere. 1701523;1503327974;asciilifeform;phf: i am not convinced that cpu arch CAN be improved on incrementally. 1701524;1503327982;asciilifeform;the crud builds up, and you get x86-64. 1701525;1503327994;phf;pff, russian tech. spec is produced by kiril after sit in room with 2 fpga (such luxury, whole two!) and bread for three months 1701526;1503328062;asciilifeform;'для проектирования используется САПР ф.Altera − MAX+PLUS II или Quartus II' << pfff yea suggests brute force 'crystal, complete with 'when you care enough to steal the very best' easter egg banner' copy. 1701527;1503328143;asciilifeform;https://electronix.ru/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t68107.html << moar whiners >> 'Пообщался я тут немного с ребятами, которые эту ПЛИС уже некоторое время окучивают. В общем, впечатления не самые благостные. Обвяз для подключения на отечественных элементах занял примерно кор 1701528;1503328143;asciilifeform;пусов 20. Корпус выглядит отвратительно, выводы болтаются, отформовать нормально очень тяжело. Ну и на закуску - нумерация выводов НЕ СОВПАДАЕТ с фирменной альтеровской. Так что прежде чем рисовать схему я бы вам все-таки советовал попробов 1701529;1503328144;asciilifeform;ать получить хоть какую-то документацию официальным путем.' 1701530;1503328591;*;asciilifeform begins to suspect that these folx simply got a hold of american raw dies and make a killing mounting them in sov-era specced ceramic cases with gold pins, and calling it 'new production' 1701531;1503328644;asciilifeform;( in modern ru mil production chain, they still mandate ancient orcish pinouts and case dimensions, supposedly to prevent substitution with cheap imported chip with name sanded off ) 1701532;1503328657;asciilifeform;examtakers -- optimize for examgrade. 1701533;1503328661;asciilifeform;today just as in ancient china. 1701534;1503328770;phf;i suspect there's still some amount of conformance with GOST. i personally think it could be a good practice if done right, but reading some usg account of it i can see how it can be turned into bureaucratic money maker 1701535;1503328810;asciilifeform;the orc packaging ain't a problem, imho it is The Right Thing to ban western smt spec 1701536;1503328823;asciilifeform;the problem is that it does not suffice to keep the producer honest. 1701537;1503328860;asciilifeform;( and there is no way to verify that the chip was actually reversed, and produced in ru -- other than to present the specs, and a native clean toolchain ! but catalogue says 'use quartus from altera' ) 1701538;1503328905;asciilifeform;now it is ~possible~ that the spec is disinfo, and in basement of kgb there is a rewritten alteratronic chain. but imho unlikely. 1701539;1503328966;asciilifeform;either way, it helps us not a whit, these items dun seem to be any moar obtainable than 'elbrus'. 1701540;1503329008;asciilifeform;briefly thought 'hey they cloned altera, the specs must now be on the net somewhere'. turns out -- apparently no. 1701541;1503329023;phf;The Secrets of Meta-NSA by what's that guy from yesterday 1701542;1503329066;asciilifeform;culianu lol 1701543;1503329087;phf;hehe 1701544;1503329131;asciilifeform;incidentally in as far as i can tell, d00d was solzhenitsining for decade+, and very actively Musting Die from a very defensible imho pov 1701545;1503329149;asciilifeform;classic 'orc intellectual in emigration' 1701546;1503329195;asciilifeform;imho it is strange that the contract on him had to wait until ceaucescu dead 1701547;1503329508;phf;right, i didn't even comment on that aspect, because everything should be obvious from that article i linked. 1701548;1503330016;asciilifeform;dunno re obvious -- but it is strongly suggested 1701549;1503346048;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1701550;1503346049;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 481539 | Current Difficulty: 9.23233068448E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 481823 | Next Difficulty In: 284 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1701551;1503346054;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1701552;1503346070;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4006.43, vol: 8737.86217624 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4017.1, vol: 29708.56397392 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4095.153, vol: 13610.99210000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4035.231, vol: 4765.27338535 | Volume-weighted last average: 4035.67611666 1701553;1503346148;BingoBoingo;Today's adventure into the path of totality was very worthwhile, especially over merely vieing partial phase of eclipse. Based on traffic, traveling to the centerline of totality zone seems like it would have offered little additional benefit. 1701554;1503350286;asciilifeform;!~later tell spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701446 >> on second thought, you probably could put this chore off, olimex sells a ice40-8k (largest available) with 512k of sram glued on. and this is theoretically enough to prototype . the more pressing matter is ethernet. ( afaik nobody sells an ice40 + ethernetmagnetics . and just as with ddr dram, answer is 'lattice wants you to use their larger fpgas, with THEIR toolchain' 1701555;1503350286;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 12:06 asciilifeform: spyked: we have loooooong way to go - try and make a ddr controller first 1701556;1503350287;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1701557;1503350289;asciilifeform;) 1701558;1503350551;*;asciilifeform just unpacked one of ^ units 1701559;1503350597;spyked;asciilifeform, was going to ask. is there particular ice40 you're recommending? it might be a while until I get one but I looked over the list and they had various types (ultralite etc.) 1701560;1503350603;asciilifeform;( for n00bz : no, you can't breadboard at 100MHz. gotta have actual board. ) 1701561;1503350613;asciilifeform;spyked: for n00bs i recommend 'icestick' 1701562;1503350617;asciilifeform;it has the programmator built in 1701563;1503350619;asciilifeform;and usb uart. 1701564;1503350632;asciilifeform;so no fiddling with wires, programmator dongles, etc. needed. 1701565;1503350641;asciilifeform;but the only ram you get is the 32k of sram on the crystal. 1701566;1503350837;spyked;so from ^ the "ultra"er models don't work with the open source toolchain? I was looking at one of the breakout boards earlier 1701567;1503350845;asciilifeform;'icestick' is readily available for 10-20 usd wherever protojunk is sold 1701568;1503350855;asciilifeform;spyked: only the ice40 series 1701569;1503350870;asciilifeform;it has a plain matrix-of-LUTs structure, no built-in periphs 1701570;1503350884;asciilifeform;which made it a realistic reversing target, and it was apparently successfully reversed. 1701571;1503350932;asciilifeform;if you're used to working with, e.g., xilinx 'spartan' or 'virtex' series, it will feel VERY tight. 1701572;1503350952;asciilifeform;( but, i will point out, is MUCH roomier than the xc9572 cpld used in FUCKGOATS ) 1701573;1503351036;*;spyked hates xilinx with passion. if only because of the bloated software 1701574;1503351076;asciilifeform;i last leeched the xilinx hog in 2011 and don't intend to ever update. 1701575;1503351155;asciilifeform;i will be phasing xilinx out of my product line entirely, also. 1701576;1503351233;asciilifeform;ice40 leaves a great deal to be desired ( it is VERY small, comparatively, and doesn't come in a no-flash version, and who knows for how long it will remain in print ) but is by far the closest thing that currently exists to the sane fpga. 1701577;1503351505;spyked;this is gonna be fun. asciilifeform, I haven't looked into hw since 2010, so there might be stupid questions coming your way once I start playing with this. btw, I don't mind getting my hands dirty with soldering, I just have very rudimentary tools for now. 1701578;1503351526;asciilifeform;spyked: unless you are VERY well-equipped, you will not be soldering ice40. 1701579;1503351557;asciilifeform;( iirc the smallest package is a pqfp-64 ) 1701580;1503351563;asciilifeform;largest, that is. 1701581;1503351567;asciilifeform;( physically ) 1701582;1503352119;asciilifeform;the 8k ( largest gate count ) is sold ONLY in bga. 1701583;1503352137;asciilifeform;https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-fpgas-field-programmable-gate-array/696?k=ice40&k=&pkeyword=ice40&pv1328=i960&FV=ffe002b8&mnonly=0&ColumnSort=-457&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25 << e.g. 1701584;1503352243;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B39A2F2FE4458177B4359D74EFD1A7A27CFA0B063D5815391C525882628EE98 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1419...0413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.249.82.103 (ssh-rsa key from 72.249.82.103 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.tlakeenterprises.com. US MO) 1701585;1503352243;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B39A2F2FE4458177B4359D74EFD1A7A27CFA0B063D5815391C525882628EE98 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1741...8967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.249.82.103 (ssh-rsa key from 72.249.82.103 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.tlakeenterprises.com. US MO) 1701586;1503352318;asciilifeform;^ http://www.usapublicdata.com/business/cAbAbk/ << lulz, usg 1701587;1503352354;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo https://archive.is/12eLH << qntra fodder ? 1701588;1503352354;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1701589;1503352363;asciilifeform;'Ten US Navy sailors are missing after a US Navy guided-missile destroyer collided with an oil tanker east of Singapore early Monday, the fourth accident in Asian waters involving a US warship in 2017' 1701590;1503352377;asciilifeform;'USS John S. McCain' didjaknow. 1701591;1503352477;asciilifeform;'The McCain is named for the father and grandfather of US Sen. John McCain.' lol!! 1701592;1503352589;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform 1701593;1503353173;asciilifeform;spyked: you don't need to re-voice unless you got unvoiced (typically from connection reset) 1701594;1503353223;spyked;thanks for the tip. didn't know, initially thought there was a time limit for that 1701595;1503353241;asciilifeform;spyked: nope, that's only for guests who get manually up'd by someone. 1701596;1503353269;spyked;anyway, I ordered three icesticks (because free shipping, and would rather pay for extra hardware than shipping) 1701597;1503353368;asciilifeform;yea they're 'party favour' cheap 1701598;1503354166;hanbot;say, where's the current list of trb nodes? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << accurate? 1701599;1503354210;asciilifeform;hanbot: the 1st two are mine ( #1 -- zoolag, which is midway through a resyncing, on account of a dead ssd ; 2nd is dulap, which is humming along ) 1701600;1503354241;asciilifeform;the rest, i have nfi 1701601;1503354262;asciilifeform;trinque's deedbot may be one of the remaining 1701602;1503354277;asciilifeform;( ask him re current ip ) 1701603;1503354363;asciilifeform;iirc jurov has a working node in europe somewhere 1701604;1503354368;ben_vulpes;hanbot: .77 is mine 1701605;1503354372;hanbot;yeah, ty. i wonder if it wouldn't be wise to update that list monthly as part of reporting etc. 1701606;1503354372;hanbot;aha 1701607;1503354373;asciilifeform;and BingoBoingo possibly also 1701608;1503354387;asciilifeform;hanbot: imho that'd be spiffy 1701609;1503354518;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu has at least 1 public node 1701610;1503354559;asciilifeform;and possibly somebody else also ( shinohai ? ) 1701611;1503354670;asciilifeform;i don't much like the phrase 'trusted nodes', when you connect to trb node, you get plaintext tcp, and 0 guarantees re who or what you're actually talking to. 1701612;1503354778;ben_vulpes;republican outposts in the sea of shit 1701613;1503354792;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: via mitmtron 1701614;1503354944;ben_vulpes;world is a fuck 1701615;1503354945;asciilifeform;chronically very frustrated enemy, in tilt, and he does whatever he can with his few hammers. in this case it happens to be slowing tx propagation. 1701616;1503354966;asciilifeform;( several cases documented in the logs, by mircea_popescu and others ) 1701617;1503354993;asciilifeform;all of the pattern 'have you seen this tx?' 'no...' 'but i sent it to your node and got an ack' 1701618;1503355008;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701601 << correct, 3rd item 1701619;1503355008;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 22:24 asciilifeform: trinque's deedbot may be one of the remaining 1701620;1503355457;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes was it you who had a trb patch abolishing the idiotic truncation of block and tx hashes in debug.log ? where did it go ? 1701621;1503355457;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1701622;1503355515;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'tis sitting in my workdir, did not imagine it to be useful to others 1701623;1503355571;ben_vulpes;or hm where did it go 1701624;1503355572;BingoBoingo; and BingoBoingo possibly also << Yes, ip available to qualified inquirers 1701625;1503355575;ben_vulpes;anyways, trivial 2-liner 1701626;1503355602;ben_vulpes;if it were to be vpatched, it should abolish truncation everywhere in the codebase 1701627;1503355622;ben_vulpes;i struggle to imagine the poverty of system that behavior was intended to be useful on 1701628;1503355650;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc it's 15-20 lines ( all ~same snip tho, in each, of the truncation ) 1701629;1503355665;ben_vulpes;sounds right by my recollection 1701630;1503355676;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you find it, plox to repost 1701631;1503355681;ben_vulpes;aye aye 1701632;1503356966;BingoBoingo;Does anyone remember mp's piece on trilema where he talks about the capital crime of whiny bitch aggressing beyond his station? 1701633;1503357063;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/us-warship-named-for-minor-dynasty-suffers-casualties-after-aggressing-against-30000-ton-ten-knot-commercial-vessel/ << Qntra - US Warship Named For Minor Dynasty Suffers Casualties After Aggressing Against 30,000 Ton, Ten Knot Commercial Vessel 1701634;1503357248;BingoBoingo;^ ty alf 1701635;1503359447;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf http://journal.iea.ras.ru/online/2008/EOO2008_4e.pdf << entomological various re culianu 1701636;1503359448;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1701637;1503359858;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf https://archive.is/fGAO9 << even moar entomologically, even higher quotient of crackpottery, but imho entertaining, re culianu. 1701638;1503359858;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1701639;1503360235;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo https://archive.is/Repd7 << qntrafodder 1701640;1503360236;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1701641;1503360251;asciilifeform;'man has been arrested for allegedly trying to plant explosives on a Confederate statue in Houston' 1701642;1503360314;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/a0McS << in same rag, photo of 'fender bendered' ship 1701643;1503360327;asciilifeform;or hm, nm, prev. ship 1701644;1503363791;mod6;evenin 1701645;1503363863;mod6;<+hanbot> say, where's the current list of trb nodes? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << accurate? << I do update it as people tell me. 1701646;1503364200;mod6;To all who have nodes on this list: Please update ben_vulpes or myself if the IP or status changes of your node. Thank you. 1701647;1503365356;pete_dushenski;hanbot: mine is fourth down on the 'trusted node' list 1701648;1503365396;pete_dushenski;!~later tell mircea_popescu yo back! :D 1701649;1503365397;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded. 1701650;1503365509;pete_dushenski;no one wants to dump bch / bcc eh ? weird. thought there'd be a line-up out the door. then again, maybe y'all already been there done that and my brokerage offer is late to the party ? 1701651;1503365543;pete_dushenski;!#s felix salmon 1701652;1503365544;a111;4 results for "felix salmon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=felix%20salmon 1701653;1503365571;mod6;and then http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497552 1701654;1503365571;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 22:17 trinque: mod6: 172.86.178.46 << deedbot 1701655;1503365578;mod6;and that makes up the whole list. 1701656;1503365650;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/LpbwN << "Are rich people presumptively bad?" is some grade aaa trolling. highly recommended for entemologists. 1701657;1503365671;mod6;pete_dushenski: maybe people wanna short, gotta give these things time maybe 'eh? 1701658;1503365679;pete_dushenski;"ultimately, the only way that philanthropy is really going to be able to shed its aura of noxious elitism is if the rich give up the reins of control, and allow the poor to make many, many more allocative decisions." << i lolled 1701659;1503365707;pete_dushenski;mod6: i'm just teasin' :) 1701660;1503365713;mod6;ah, werd 1701661;1503365865;pete_dushenski;but i was as surprised as mike_c (to whom, wb btw!) that the bch --> btc market actually came through, at least for triple-digit btc sums. obv can't speak to mp-level six- or seven-digit sums. 1701662;1503365891;mod6;ripe for the pickin' eh 1701663;1503365909;pete_dushenski;sure seems like it! 1701664;1503366028;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: a comment of mine on your latest blog post got scarfed, just a heads up in case you're not checking for pending comments regularly, or it got lost in spamola foldola. 1701665;1503366132;pete_dushenski;in other nodes, my latest 0-fullheight trb sync experiment was completed in a hair under two weeks. nb i say! 1701666;1503366133;mike_c;!~bcstats 1701667;1503366135;jhvh1;mike_c: Current Blocks: 481571 | Current Difficulty: 9.23233068448E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 481823 | Next Difficulty In: 252 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1701668;1503366150;mod6;pete_dushenski: hey, nice! 1701669;1503366168;mike_c;hi pete! 1701670;1503366171;mod6;maybe that's encouraging news for mike_c who just started his sync adventure 1701671;1503366204;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: approved, ty 1701672;1503366211;mike_c;I'm at 292908 1701673;1503366220;mod6;cool 1701674;1503366234;pete_dushenski;though i'll be damned if i can gather why it is that -connect'ing to 2+ nodes jams up every few hours whereas just 1 node sync beautifully with no issues for days on end. 1701675;1503366275;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: cheers mate 1701676;1503366314;pete_dushenski;mod6: ya, it was ~half the time of the last 0-fullheight trb sync i tried maybe 18 months ago, but that was on hdd and this was on ssd :) 1701677;1503366350;mike_c;asciilifeform: I got some goats in the mail today. ty. 1701678;1503366379;mod6;pete_dushenski: yeah ssd helps 1701679;1503366491;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693691 << re "car wheel drm" can't say i've ever lost one of the "special" nuts myself but they are indeed a thing and it's not overly surprising that the shops won't sell you new ones but if you just drop your car off there, flip them a $50 or whatever, i'm sure they can take care of it. or, y'know, just know a guy. 1701680;1503366491;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 03:21 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: might know more 1701681;1503366575;pete_dushenski;mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand. 1701682;1503366630;mod6;werd, was helpful info indeed. 1701683;1503367197;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701677 << congrats mike_c ! 1701684;1503367197;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 01:45 mike_c: asciilifeform: I got some goats in the mail today. ty. 1701685;1503367208;asciilifeform;mike_c: be sure to test'em 1701686;1503367285;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701681 << be sure to enable 'trim' 1701687;1503367285;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 01:49 pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand. 1701688;1503367293;asciilifeform;extends life 1.5-2x 1701689;1503367321;asciilifeform;( put trimfs as daily cron job ) 1701690;1503367446;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701650 << i cannot speak for other folx but possibly i'm not the only one who isn't eager to divulge all-his-btc-addrs ( much as we like pete_dushenski , picture, say , his iron were to be stolen, ect) 1701691;1503367446;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 01:31 pete_dushenski: no one wants to dump bch / bcc eh ? weird. thought there'd be a line-up out the door. then again, maybe y'all already been there done that and my brokerage offer is late to the party ? 1701692;1503367450;asciilifeform;*etc 1701693;1503367494;asciilifeform;dumping shitforkolade is in that sense a very private work, more than, say, proctology 1701694;1503367532;mike_c;trimfs, will do. thanks 1701695;1503367627;asciilifeform;alternatively can mount some fs ( e.g. ext4 ) with 'discard' flag, same thing 1701696;1503367639;asciilifeform;( but continuous, at slight write speed penalty ) 1701697;1503367657;asciilifeform;trimfs on other hand is a batch util, grinds disk to a halt for 10s or so 1701698;1503367703;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: what means 'his'-btc-addrs ? 1701699;1503367733;asciilifeform;grrrrr fstrim 1701700;1503367736;asciilifeform;not trimfs 1701701;1503367740;asciilifeform;fstrim ! 1701702;1503367764;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: consider what is involved in selling-all-your-forkolade 1701703;1503367789;pete_dushenski;who said anything about all ? 1701704;1503367804;asciilifeform;why the fuck would i want to keep any. 1701705;1503367805;pete_dushenski;let's just start with some, neh ? 1701706;1503367823;pete_dushenski;i dunno man, you're the one keeping is ~all~ 1701707;1503367829;asciilifeform;lol 1701708;1503367832;pete_dushenski;it* 1701709;1503367856;asciilifeform;if i go through the bother of setting up the furnace, i'm certainly burning all. 1701710;1503367923;pete_dushenski;as the kids these days say, you do you man, you do you. 1701711;1503367952;asciilifeform; but i dun see how you could use someone else's help in this exercise, without disclosing your inner rectal seekritz. 1701712;1503367988;pete_dushenski;no different than paying for fg 'discloses your inner rectal seekritz' 1701713;1503367994;asciilifeform;mno 1701714;1503368003;pete_dushenski;coins gotta come from somewhere, go somewhere else 1701715;1503368043;asciilifeform;disclosing privs to empty addrs proves ownership to whoever finds them. 1701716;1503368055;*;pete_dushenski quietly imagines that asciilifeform 's seekrit is that he's bigger holder than... mp! 1701717;1503368060;asciilifeform;lol 1701718;1503368287;pete_dushenski;but how would anyone but me know where the empty privkeys come from ? let's say i hand them off to another guy, who has no idea where they come from but via me, and then he sells on xchange, and then btc gets funneled back to you, what then ? when inquisitor comes (which he won't because he can't or he already would've) do all three of us own coins because we've each seen privkeys ? 1701719;1503368304;asciilifeform;because somebody somewhere would totally do that 1701720;1503368320;asciilifeform;pass privs to pig who passes to cow who passes to duck who. 1701721;1503368371;asciilifeform;and inquisitors apparently have iq of a broken dish and always give up at first chance, also... 1701722;1503368377;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1701723;1503368440;asciilifeform;also gotta say that the notion that pete_dushenski would subcontract out a job involving privkeys, is not very good advertisement for his service... 1701724;1503368531;asciilifeform;imho this hypothetical exercise falls under the banner of Do. Not. Share. Privkeyz. With. Anyone. It. Never. Ends. Well. 1701725;1503368544;asciilifeform;not with mother, father, brother, fucktoy, nobody. 1701726;1503368554;asciilifeform;it's called 'priv' for a reason. 1701727;1503369095;asciilifeform;sharing privkeys, for any reason at all, is quite like sharing syringe needles 1701728;1503369137;asciilifeform;but with the added feature that it sets up a permanent wormhole between the sharers -- he gets hiv 20yrs later? now you do too. 1701729;1503369552;asciilifeform;putting your cock in the mains socket, is both wiser , more +ev, more pleasant, and less of a screaming abuse of the equipment and of the entire discipline that produced it, than sharing private keys. 1701730;1503369576;asciilifeform;even to 'empty' addr ( would you share an 'old' pgp key?! ) 1701731;1503369904;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701681 << before i fughet -- i will also point out, all else being equal , a ssd that is larger relative to the size of the blockchain -- will die more slowly ( trim MUST work for this to hold ) 1701732;1503369904;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 01:49 pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand. 1701733;1503369948;asciilifeform;more ssdblocks total -> fewer writes per block per hour -> slower death 1701734;1503370030;asciilifeform;this being said, even respectably thick (500+ GB) ssd will burn out long before it fills. 1701735;1503370091;asciilifeform;it may prove more economical to run spinning disks with slice raid, vs ssd. 1701736;1503370121;asciilifeform;though to date i've found the cost, to be similar. 1701737;1503370194;asciilifeform;and ssd is considerably more pleasant to have around in close quarters, and doesn't lead you to dive into machine cellar to swap dying drives bimonthly 1701738;1503370259;asciilifeform;ssd also more , obviously, compact, and lower current. e.g. zoolag is approx the size of my fist. and runs from a wall wart. 1701739;1503370277;asciilifeform;outperforms dulap, which eats half a kw or so . 1701740;1503371600;BingoBoingo; dumping shitforkolade is in that sense a very private work, more than, say, proctology << AHA, balance of bleeding! 1701741;1503373009;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: "another guy" can be read as no more than bch walletolade manufacturer. glhf auditing the code of the extant heaps required to sweep privkeys and send bch to xchange. 1701742;1503373034;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: as i understand it's a couplea line patch to trb 1701743;1503373038;asciilifeform;( 2mb and whatevers ) 1701744;1503373051;asciilifeform;to sit down on the phorq 1701745;1503373102;asciilifeform;but ftr asciilifeform has not, personally, yet tried this. 1701746;1503373142;asciilifeform;i ain't putting privkeys ( even 'old' ones ) in a networkedclosedturd . for same reasons as i will not be sending them to whoever. 1701747;1503373142;pete_dushenski;mkay. 1701748;1503373821;BingoBoingo;So, Trump gave an Afghanistan speech where he promised to not talk about Afghanistan specifics. Also “We are not nation-building again, we are killing terrorists” 1701749;1503373942;BingoBoingo; to sit down on the phorq << And once sat down on phork there is problem of who to talk to among the AWS sybils. 1701750;1503374386;pete_dushenski;!!key whaack 1701751;1503374388;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6326273b61a700af4cd95a7b8c6cab1924a64dec.asc 1701752;1503378165;BingoBoingo;Dedicated to our new friend The_Moon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fzJ_AYajA 1701753;1503380582;mircea_popescu;!!up brlbg 1701754;1503380583;deedbot;brlbg voiced for 30 minutes. 1701755;1503380585;brlbg;trilema under ddos? 1701756;1503380623;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701413 << afaik the only benefit educational, and it will follow from cutting apart a live woman and re-sealing her. not out of cutting apart an deviantart drawing. 1701757;1503380623;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 11:33 spyked: also, is there any worth in trying to "physicalize" the virtual lisp machine stuff? genera runs on that from what I read. 1701758;1503380630;mircea_popescu;however talented teh artist. 1701759;1503380688;mircea_popescu;brlbg seems a little slow. 1701760;1503380816;brlbg;i get a 'complete' time out 1701761;1503380840;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701414 << empire is not organised towards "protecting of the proles" or any other statement with the proles as a subject. the proles (understood deductively, as "all people", just as they understand govenment deductively, see prev discussion), as well as the environment generally are the objects, not the subjects of imperial discourse. 1701762;1503380840;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 11:41 spyked: !~later tell mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-20#1701196 <-- yah, but does protecting the "proles" from own stupidity even make any sense as a statement? sorta relates to idea on Trilema on whether the empire wanted to arrive to this point (can't find it right now). enfranchisement of the stupid directly lead to that. 1701763;1503380872;mircea_popescu;empire is organised towards "functioning economy" ie production of goods, or "functioning culture" ie production of truths. all the subjects in imperial statements are ideals of this kind. 1701764;1503380947;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701432 << ah you two know each other ? 1701765;1503380947;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 12:00 spyked: !!rate valentinbuza 3 fierce hacker, cracker with research mindset 1701766;1503380973;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701443 << you know my dear asciilifeform , so did unix. 1701767;1503380973;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 12:04 asciilifeform: whereas physical 'ivory' happily did multi year uptime 1701768;1503381088;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701444 << you can work towards the fuck you please. like say the http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=balanced+ternary or the http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=serial+computer or so on. 1701769;1503381088;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 12:05 spyked: ok, so to sum up; 1. get ice40 fpga; 2. run fpga lisp machine (cadr?); work from that towards symbolics/ivory, or the other way around starting from symbolics. 1701770;1503381147;mircea_popescu;hmm, that last ref is unexpectedly useless. anyway, item discussed in logs recently (and historically), http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677546 etc 1701771;1503381147;a111;Logged on 2017-06-30 16:51 asciilifeform: so adder, multer, etc, etc all exist simply as devices that hang from 1 set of wires. 1701772;1503381435;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701453 << why ? 1701773;1503381435;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 12:12 spyked: asciilifeform, what do you think of minimal baremetal implementation of Lisp (RISC assembly only) on something like a MIPS core? I might be thinking this in too abstract terms, it's definitely not that easy. but I'm trying to find a middle way between working FPGA Lisp machine and Lisp on unix. 1701774;1503381595;mircea_popescu;heh trilema gateway blew up. should be back within hours. thanks for reporting gl. 1701775;1503381787;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701494 << i always suspected the item will crumble under examination, but then again i'm just a hater. 1701776;1503381787;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 14:49 phf: now i didn't find out about race conditions myself, that data point came from dks, they discovered race conditions as part of the emulator rewrite, but they have the benefit of having access to the necessary low level bits 1701777;1503381858;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701493 << he has a point, incidentally. the notion of ~approximating~ numeric machine is about as batshit insane as the notion of concave airplane or open-ended circulatory system. 1701778;1503381858;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 14:49 asciilifeform: phf: iron floatingpoint Must Die. 1701779;1503381889;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with using an int machine like sane people and doing approximations in software, also like sane people ? "oh but it's non intuitive" "to idiots" "well yes" 1701780;1503382120;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701518 << the implicit point does not prevail with me because i personally ran a revolution from the very comfortable setting of my burgeois setting. you can ; and in fact the better revolutions go exactly like that. 1701781;1503382120;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 15:05 phf: to some extent something like that was done in a transition from 36xx to ivory 1701782;1503382183;mircea_popescu;there's no particular requirement that the person building an ironclad factory does not own the sailship drydock in town. on the fucking contrary ; the sign of the drydock owner ~being an idiot~ is their not building an ironclad factory right down the shoreline. 1701783;1503382256;mircea_popescu;your parents being rich and your friendly relations with all the elite of the town and generally your comfortable situation is a fucking baseline, not a high water mark, wtf is this, peaking in highschool like african women ? 1701784;1503382324;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701525 << i have no idea why but this is overpowerly funny. 1701785;1503382324;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 15:06 phf: pff, russian tech. spec is produced by kiril after sit in room with 2 fpga (such luxury, whole two!) and bread for three months 1701786;1503382370;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701530 << recall the original "fpga" miners, serials shaved items "while supplies lasted" ? 1701787;1503382370;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 15:16 asciilifeform begins to suspect that these folx simply got a hold of american raw dies and make a killing mounting them in sov-era specced ceramic cases with gold pins, and calling it 'new production' 1701788;1503382442;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701538 << no, the raw die theory is on the mopney. 1701789;1503382442;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 15:21 asciilifeform: now it is ~possible~ that the spec is disinfo, and in basement of kgb there is a rewritten alteratronic chain. but imho unlikely. 1701790;1503382620;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701546 << when ceausescu died there was a very brief revival "we shall roar" orc thing because ~most of us ops in eastern europe got killed / the rest fled. so there was a bit of pushback, all the way to killing dudes way in chicago. it didn't last, principally because sometime mid 90s the decision was taken (by the russkis) the way forward is economical not operational. so ss went the cia w 1701791;1503382620;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 15:26 asciilifeform: imho it is strange that the contract on him had to wait until ceaucescu dead 1701792;1503382620;mircea_popescu;ay, trynna make money for da rent. 1701793;1503382656;mircea_popescu;easy to condemn this as "a mistake retrospectively", especially if one has nfi what sort of demands an operational approach places on the labour pool. 1701794;1503382751;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701554 << incidentally, has anyone tried to talk to the lattice folk ? 1701795;1503382751;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 21:18 asciilifeform: !~later tell spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701446 >> on second thought, you probably could put this chore off, olimex sells a ice40-8k (largest available) with 512k of sram glued on. and this is theoretically enough to prototype . the more pressing matter is ethernet. ( afaik nobody sells an ice40 + ethernetmagnetics . and just as with ddr dram, answer is 'lattice wants you to use their larger fpgas, with THEIR toolchain' 1701796;1503382761;mircea_popescu;it is ~possible~ they actually don't know what they want / don't want anything specific. 1701797;1503382815;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701573 << heh. welcome home. 1701798;1503382815;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 21:30 spyked hates xilinx with passion. if only because of the bloated software 1701799;1503382906;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701590 <<< bwahahaha. fucking retards, final phase idiocy. 1701800;1503382906;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 21:52 asciilifeform: 'USS John S. McCain' didjaknow. 1701801;1503383007;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701598 << 46.166.160.36, 91.218.246.31 also. 1701802;1503383007;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 22:22 hanbot: say, where's the current list of trb nodes? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << accurate? 1701803;1503383031;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701605 << yeah very much, at least a basic starter list of public nodes. mod6 ? 1701804;1503383031;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 22:26 hanbot: yeah, ty. i wonder if it wouldn't be wise to update that list monthly as part of reporting etc. 1701805;1503383111;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701617 << or even "but you keep asking me for it!" 1701806;1503383111;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 22:36 asciilifeform: all of the pattern 'have you seen this tx?' 'no...' 'but i sent it to your node and got an ack' 1701807;1503383170;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701627 << problem is poverty of mind, not of system. "i don't want to look at large hex strings, they intimidatre me". same exact shit-for-brains that gave us pgp "fingerprints". 1701808;1503383170;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 22:47 ben_vulpes: i struggle to imagine the poverty of system that behavior was intended to be useful on 1701809;1503383344;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701658 << ooobviously. "imperial charity must be defined as opposite of mp definition, we'll omit referncing trilema notwithstanding it is our source" 1701810;1503383344;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 01:34 pete_dushenski: "ultimately, the only way that philanthropy is really going to be able to shed its aura of noxious elitism is if the rich give up the reins of control, and allow the poor to make many, many more allocative decisions." << i lolled 1701811;1503383390;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701665 << yeh nice. about a block a minute or so. 1701812;1503383390;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 01:42 pete_dushenski: in other nodes, my latest 0-fullheight trb sync experiment was completed in a hair under two weeks. nb i say! 1701813;1503383423;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701674 << this is actually in the logs. in short, badly written "p2p" 1701814;1503383423;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 01:43 pete_dushenski: though i'll be damned if i can gather why it is that -connect'ing to 2+ nodes jams up every few hours whereas just 1 node sync beautifully with no issues for days on end. 1701815;1503383958;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701715 << as per ancient alf techs, can just dump the privs later on makes it ok neh :D 1701816;1503383958;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 02:14 asciilifeform: disclosing privs to empty addrs proves ownership to whoever finds them. 1701817;1503384020;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701724 |<< eh relax. i do it all the time. 1701818;1503384020;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 02:22 asciilifeform: imho this hypothetical exercise falls under the banner of Do. Not. Share. Privkeyz. With. Anyone. It. Never. Ends. Well. 1701819;1503384174;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701735 << very much this. raid arrays are cheap and easy these days, monodisc systems are a little weird for this reason. 1701820;1503384174;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 02:48 asciilifeform: it may prove more economical to run spinning disks with slice raid, vs ssd. 1701821;1503384198;mircea_popescu;nothing forbids raiding ssds either. 1701822;1503384479;BingoBoingo;Nothing forbids putting SSDs near a RAIP either 1701823;1503384632;BingoBoingo;A RAIP being a Revolutionary/Raping Array of Independent Penises 1701824;1503384675;BingoBoingo;And Qntra stats shows a resurgence of interest in http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/ this month 1701825;1503386193;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-19#186295 << yup, sorry for the delay 1701826;1503386373;mircea_popescu;hey, some sluts worth waiting for! 1701827;1503386546;ben_vulpes;and how 1701828;1503386592;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, quest to eradicate commute from my life appears to be drawing to a close! 1701829;1503386661;ben_vulpes;comes complete with ~5% tax cut 1701830;1503386667;ben_vulpes;wired for cat5 even 1701831;1503386829;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A922DD117C7DBCEA3AFB8DF5085F0A18C37B6C58FA2BA5D6B2A4D56DF0370AED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1721...8023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.10.74.183 (ssh-rsa key from 58.10.74.183 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-58-10-74-183.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 10) 1701832;1503386829;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A922DD117C7DBCEA3AFB8DF5085F0A18C37B6C58FA2BA5D6B2A4D56DF0370AED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...7083 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.10.74.183 (ssh-rsa key from 58.10.74.183 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-58-10-74-183.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 10) 1701833;1503387458;mircea_popescu;i suppose "i never commuted" should go on my list of "shit i missed out" huh. 1701834;1503387892;ben_vulpes;it is a very ordinary hell 1701835;1503390511;mircea_popescu;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05a-july-theses.html << not bad lulz, huh. 1701836;1503390557;mircea_popescu;and then /me runs into http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05b-https-war-declaration.html and it's like... dawg's been reading trilema has he. 1701837;1503394924;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701761 <-- well, but. "won't somebody think of the children!" this goes on and on. it never happens in fact (as the avg gyppo in the slums of bucharest -- or "banlieue", n'est-ce pas? -- can certify), but it happens in speech. hence attempt to regulation that only increases coefficient of friction in sane economic activity. 1701838;1503394924;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 05:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701414 << empire is not organised towards "protecting of the proles" or any other statement with the proles as a subject. the proles (understood deductively, as "all people", just as they understand govenment deductively, see prev discussion), as well as the environment generally are the objects, not the subjects of imperial discourse. 1701839;1503395086;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701764 <-- yes! valentinbuza was student at "computer security" class. very good return-oriented programmer (among others) 1701840;1503395086;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 05:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701432 << ah you two know each other ? 1701841;1503395133;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701768 <-- foodforthought. thanks! 1701842;1503395133;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 05:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701444 << you can work towards the fuck you please. like say the http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=balanced+ternary or the http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=serial+computer or so on. 1701843;1503395353;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701835 <-- was mostly an exercise in translating from communist "wooden tongue" to english newspeak. a lot of similarities there. 1701844;1503395353;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 08:28 mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05a-july-theses.html << not bad lulz, huh. 1701845;1503395851;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701836 <-- also, starting point for discussions with certain meatwot people who keep insisting that https "just works", and "why don't you propose an alternative", despite their having tried the alternative in ~1st university year. 1701846;1503395851;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 08:29 mircea_popescu: and then /me runs into http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05b-https-war-declaration.html and it's like... dawg's been reading trilema has he. 1701847;1503397027;valentinbuza;spyked, people who are serious about transport security (data in transit) shy away from TLS and they craft their own stripped down version using Noise Protocol Framework (http://noiseprotocol.org/index.html) 1701848;1503398184;shinohai;http://archive.is/0TOaA "The US Navy orders "Operational pause" as it teaches sailors to actually navigate waters and use GPS, whilst all llitoral combat ships are refitted with pykrete 1701849;1503402938;spyked;valentinbuza, "Noise is a framework for crypto protocols based on Diffie-Hellman key agreement. Noise can describe protocols that consist of a single message as well as interactive protocols." in what's a tradition here, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dh I'll let the more knowledgeable ppl hammer it. 1701850;1503403129;asciilifeform;dh in the logz is... 'dieharder' 1701851;1503403271;asciilifeform;as for diffie hellman, it is nsatronic , and this is fairly well known at this point ( whether because timing side channel, primes-which-ain't, and other sabotage of concrete implementations- or more fundamentally broken - is unknown ) 1701852;1503403331;asciilifeform;the other lul in the 'noise protocol' is the use of symmetric ciphers 1701853;1503403341;asciilifeform;!#s symmetric 1701854;1503403342;a111;118 results for "symmetric", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=symmetric 1701855;1503403454;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474280 << metathread re subj 1701856;1503403454;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:51 asciilifeform: not a single symmetric cipher other than otp has ever been proven to be worth a sparrow's fart. 1701857;1503403502;asciilifeform;spyked, valentinbuza ^ 1701858;1503403630;asciilifeform;the 'noise protocol' link is hilarious -- even features the classic leper's bell of nsa committee , the null-cipher 1701859;1503403652;asciilifeform;'0. No confidentiality. This payload is sent in cleartext.' 1701860;1503403738;asciilifeform;( implementation becomes an underhanded-C-contest in concealing the fact of ~any~ box running the idiocy reverting to nullcipher on demand ) 1701861;1503403961;asciilifeform;pretty typical usg production 1701862;1503404070;asciilifeform;massive pile of moving parts, aes, various post-conversion bernsteinisms, null ciphers, 'this is faster on 32-bit cpu so we're using it', let's-give-enemy-raw-bytes-from-prng, and other jokes. 1701863;1503404162;asciilifeform;on top of all this... betcha the canonical ref implementation is in overflowlang. 1701864;1503404611;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701794 << lattice dun make the boards 1701865;1503404611;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701554 << incidentally, has anyone tried to talk to the lattice folk ? 1701866;1503404740;asciilifeform;but lattice per se is EXACTLY like xilinx, same profit model, closed arch, license 'ip cores'. their larger flagship fpga is exactly like xilinx 'spartan', full of proprietary peripherals, and that's the one that tends to get packaged into devboards with nic etc 1701867;1503404813;asciilifeform;primarily because just a basic nic controller itself would take up a whole ice40 ( ice is their low-end, barebones cpld series, and was reverses without any cooperation - through kicking and screaming of, even - lattice co ) 1701868;1503404827;asciilifeform;*reversed 1701869;1503404880;asciilifeform;tldr : a serious sanecomp board would feature a , say, 16 x 16 ~grid~ of ice40-8k. 1701870;1503404913;asciilifeform;and would cost a btc or so. 1701871;1503405103;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701819 << ~actual~ - i.e. ~hardware~ raid -- ain't cheap, even the controller, and mobo with actual slots, for it to sit down in, each cost more than all of zoolag ! 1701872;1503405103;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701735 << very much this. raid arrays are cheap and easy these days, monodisc systems are a little weird for this reason. 1701873;1503405195;asciilifeform;i use it in workstations. but the cost is imho misplaced in a trb node, which are supposed to be a redundancy layer p2pfully in themselves ! 1701874;1503405517;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701821 << i do this in my flagship wurkstationx -- but it is expensive, 'trim' dun work properly through hardware raid, they burn even faster than in singles. 1701875;1503405517;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:43 mircea_popescu: nothing forbids raiding ssds either. 1701876;1503405569;asciilifeform;pro tip : stagger them in age, by 3-4 months, the first time you build a hardware raid5 from ssds 1701877;1503405637;asciilifeform;say you have 4 holes. use 3 mechanicals + 1 ssd, then few months in, replace a mechanical, then again, year later, whole thing is ssd that will not ever simultaneously burn , in theory. 1701878;1503405657;*;asciilifeform uses this method, worx 1701879;1503405707;asciilifeform;if you don't do this -- you are very likely to have all N die at once, on same day. 1701880;1503406282;asciilifeform;trilema still down, btw 1701881;1503411249;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA95E086BED135A67EA6B95E0071AA22CF55152588AB8E540E61F11E802BEE6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1723...3427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '191.32.60.22 (ssh-rsa key from 191.32.60.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (191.32.60.22.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br. BR) 1701882;1503411249;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA95E086BED135A67EA6B95E0071AA22CF55152588AB8E540E61F11E802BEE6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1545...8109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '191.32.60.22 (ssh-rsa key from 191.32.60.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (191.32.60.22.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br. BR) 1701883;1503411249;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B929C2CA50C9AC4FECF9C063980D211F1FABDFF7E5FBC47809099014E5E92038 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1689...8337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.186.163 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.186.163 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ve1097242242.providerbox.net. DE) 1701884;1503411250;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B929C2CA50C9AC4FECF9C063980D211F1FABDFF7E5FBC47809099014E5E92038 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...7539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.186.163 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.186.163 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ve1097242242.providerbox.net. DE) 1701885;1503411564;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701801 << thanks will add these to the list @ http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html 1701886;1503411564;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701598 << 46.166.160.36, 91.218.246.31 also. 1701887;1503411647;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701801 << Sounds like there should be a link to the trusted-nodes page in the HOWTO maybe. Also, a once per-month round-up of me asking for Node-Updates, if there are any. 1701888;1503411647;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701598 << 46.166.160.36, 91.218.246.31 also. 1701889;1503411733;mod6;I don't think these belong permanently in the SoBA each month. It would be probably a good idea for individuals who own these nodes to sign their Node IP and send that to the btc-dev mailing list. However, I seem to recall some resistance to that. 1701890;1503411795;asciilifeform;mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701611 1701891;1503411795;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 22:31 asciilifeform: i don't much like the phrase 'trusted nodes', when you connect to trb node, you get plaintext tcp, and 0 guarantees re who or what you're actually talking to. 1701892;1503411828;mod6;I'm open to suggestions for re-name. 1701893;1503411848;asciilifeform;i dun care so much re the name, but elaborating re the resistance. 1701894;1503411868;mod6;Alright. 1701895;1503412276;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701786 << asic miners. the original 'asics' were actual shaved fpga. the next gen -- were 'hardcopy fpga', the cheapest fab available, where you just get to define metallization layer and naught else 1701896;1503412276;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701530 << recall the original "fpga" miners, serials shaved items "while supplies lasted" ? 1701897;1503412362;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701775 << the original bolix emulator was handwritten in asm for dec alpha ( which is why dks sells (sold?) alphas, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186 ) . the x86-64 port never ~quite~ worked, it was a hasty c rewrite. 1701898;1503412362;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701494 << i always suspected the item will crumble under examination, but then again i'm just a hater. 1701899;1503412447;asciilifeform;asciilifeform spent ~years~ sawing both apart in ida. until learned that the whisperers have the source, recently even on shithub. 1701900;1503412512;asciilifeform;when saw that the ~original~ src was a pile of shithacks, lost interest in anything but the electron microscopy path ( like it or not, 1uM process folks were ~forced~ to make compact description ) 1701901;1503412557;asciilifeform;1980s chips were jewels not because of any magic, but because the option of bloat was simply unavailable to hardware designers then. 1701902;1503412575;asciilifeform;you get 300k transistors and that's that, use'em well. 1701903;1503412634;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701766 << context was, emulated bolix crashes, original iron -- never ( short of physical failure ) 1701904;1503412634;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 05:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701443 << you know my dear asciilifeform , so did unix. 1701905;1503412676;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701790 << would be interesting to read moar re this 1701906;1503412676;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701546 << when ceausescu died there was a very brief revival "we shall roar" orc thing because ~most of us ops in eastern europe got killed / the rest fled. so there was a bit of pushback, all the way to killing dudes way in chicago. it didn't last, principally because sometime mid 90s the decision was taken (by the russkis) the way forward is economical not operational. so ss went the cia w 1701907;1503412703;*;asciilifeform finally eaten l0gz 1701908;1503414678;valentinbuza;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.governance/81gMQeMEL0w << Firefox discussing to anonymously collect browsing data. What browsers are you using? 1701909;1503414718;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: 'lynx' is, i think, quite popular among the folx here 1701910;1503414843;asciilifeform;'tests how we can collect additional data in a privacy preserving way' << lol! 1701911;1503414947;valentinbuza;gave up chrome long time ago for firefox (with noscript + self destructing cookies). now I should start looking for alternatives. 1701912;1503414986;asciilifeform;all of the graphical wwwtrons are, afaik, ~same. 1701913;1503415004;asciilifeform;( firefox is the one that has the added 'feature' of eating GBs of ram for no reason ) 1701914;1503415106;valentinbuza;"to improve their experience." leads to "Which top sites are users visiting?" :)) 1701915;1503415278;spyked;yeah. no reason is in fact "web apps" running arbitrary code efficiently on client machines. 1701916;1503415416;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: didja read today's log ? answr'd re 'noise' etc. 1701917;1503415520;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: logs live at http://btcbase.org/log , http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today , http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema ( 3 separate d00dz, separate boxes ) 1701918;1503415564;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: also recommend to read the mircea_popescu's intro, in the chan greetingline 1701919;1503415762;valentinbuza;linked noise as a partial response to spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05b-https-war-declaration.html. Noise null cipher is an different context than TLS null cipher. 1701920;1503415779;asciilifeform;how does it matter what context ? 1701921;1503415786;asciilifeform;nullcipher has no business being an option. period. 1701922;1503415813;asciilifeform;it exists so that enemy can coax your proggy into switching to it. 1701923;1503415881;valentinbuza;noise is a framework for creating protocols. you have the option to create NOISE_NULL_CIPHER_TOTAL_BS protocol which is totally different from NOISE_ANOTHER_SANE_CHOICE 1701924;1503415911;asciilifeform;this does not explain why this is a standardized feature. 1701925;1503415922;asciilifeform;and why the massive pile of moving parts is necessary. 1701926;1503415955;valentinbuza;it is different from TLS, where whatever version you are using it has null cipher. The question should be: does someone deployed NOISE_NULL_CIPHER_TOTAL_BS? then you can blame them 1701927;1503415974;asciilifeform;WHY IS IT IN THE STANDARD 1701928;1503416063;valentinbuza;don't know. ask Trevor Perrin, maybe he thought of creating all the possible recipes 1701929;1503416067;asciilifeform;and why is diffie hellman in the standard. 1701930;1503416084;asciilifeform;diffie hellman is thoroughly ( and likely irreparably ) porous to nsa. 1701931;1503416200;valentinbuza;also "massive pile of moving parts" << not even close to TLS. as for your other questions i can't really answer. 1701932;1503416209;asciilifeform;tls is not the standard of comparison. 1701933;1503416212;asciilifeform;it is a crock of shit. 1701934;1503416258;asciilifeform;and entirely useless. 1701935;1503416286;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: behold, for instance, http://shop.nosuchlabs.com << a www store that does not and never will use tls/ssl 1701936;1503416301;asciilifeform;nobody here uses tls . 1701937;1503416333;trinque;!#s pki 1701938;1503416334;a111;84 results for "pki", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pki 1701939;1503416408;valentinbuza;agree on the TLS part. As I told before, Noise was a partial response for spyked blog post (TLS sucks, PKI sucks). Noise is just a somewhat better choice for the TLS sucks part 1701940;1503416427;asciilifeform;mno. it is exactly the same thing, under slightly variant sauce. 1701941;1503416451;valentinbuza;as you can see on the spec, it is not concerned with PKI or your authentication methods, it's up to you 1701942;1503416453;asciilifeform;uses same idiot diffiehell, same idiot symmetric ciphers, same morass of moving parts. 1701943;1503416569;valentinbuza;Ctrl + F : RSA. 1 false positive 1701944;1503416580;spyked;valentinbuza, my issue is that "framework" approach (as used in today's terminology) is utterly anti-engineering. one can (on the condition that they know what they're doing! and there really is no alternative to that) write own software from first principles without requiring 3rd party. or, use 3rd party only to strip of shit and output sane object (e.g. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trb ), which is distinct from "framework". 1701945;1503416615;asciilifeform;spyked: trb is very long way from 'sane object' but otherwise yes. 1701946;1503416736;asciilifeform;incidentally all existing systems that do pubkey crypto in real time ( incl. 'noise' ) are trivially breakable by the enemy, because no constant-time numeric stack currently exists publicly. 1701947;1503416777;valentinbuza;probably the word framework is misunderstood. Let's say you want NOISE_CURVE25519_ETC it does not provide you with curve25519 implementation, you have to create you own. It's just a schematic for protocol patterns, not a framework a la "django" 1701948;1503416801;asciilifeform;then it is not definitive and ergo entirely useless even at own stated purpose. 1701949;1503416828;asciilifeform;a 'standard' that consists of 'go and implement whatever you like' is not a standard in any meaningful sense. 1701950;1503416859;asciilifeform;( and in particular if 'whatever you like' includes diffie hellman and nullcipher ) 1701951;1503416928;valentinbuza;i don't find the word 'standard' in the description or in the spec. it's not a standard and should not be seen as one 1701952;1503416937;asciilifeform;then what the hell is it ? 1701953;1503417134;valentinbuza;it's an attempt to make some things better than TLS (or other data in transit protocol) as opposed to other ways of creating software such as "we use TLS because it's standard, we have no clue what to do and just use what everybody is using" and sell it as military grade 1701954;1503417184;asciilifeform;it is in no way whatsoever better. 1701955;1503417195;asciilifeform;exactly same set of idiocies, repackaged in 'modern' flavour. 1701956;1503417242;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: lemme guess, you are the victim of a recent university 'education' ? got quite bit of unlearning to do. 1701957;1503417431;valentinbuza;probably. but i think that your argument is invalid because you say that "in TLS ingredients suck and recipe sucks" and "in Noise ingredients suck therefore the recipe also sucks" 1701958;1503417461;asciilifeform;a recipe that explicitly features liquishit -- suxx 1701959;1503417468;asciilifeform;this is not a debateable point. 1701960;1503417523;spyked;re schematic for protocol patterns, why not use e.g. petri nets for the model (assuming that works) then just implement from that? why add extra software? ehm. it seems like they're trying to automate some work, but that automation trades off actual understanding, i.e. by introducing (IMHO useless) levels of abstraction. 1701961;1503417537;asciilifeform;both tls and 'noise' are the products of exactly the same type of broken mind. 1701962;1503417566;asciilifeform;( generously 'helped' by nsa assets ) 1701963;1503417851;valentinbuza;asciilifeform, two things can suck and one can suck less. But instead of throwing a lot of arguments, why not propose your ingredients and recipes? 1701964;1503417877;valentinbuza;i saw, OTP is one 1701965;1503417880;spyked;valentinbuza, to exemplify asciilifeform's point ^ I shall quote from the docs: "A Noise protocol begins with two parties exchanging handshake messages. During this handshake phase the parties exchange DH public keys and perform a sequence of DH operations" <-- this requires me to import a couple of concepts: handshake messages, DH public keys, there may be others along the line. now, given that my crypto brain-memory module is not 1701966;1503417880;spyked;loaded (because I don't use this day-to-day), I must consult these items in great detail. my guess here is that once I have spent all the time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place. 1701967;1503417931;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: i regard the entire concept of 'real time automated public key crypto' as a scam, and anyone claiming to offer such a thing, as a scammer, until constant time rsa routines are public. 1701968;1503417950;spyked;on the other hand, if I take these items for granted, joke's on me, which is exactly what "modern engineering" philosophy relies on. 1701969;1503417974;asciilifeform;spyked nails it. 1701970;1503417991;asciilifeform;the 'framework' is a null, a donut without a hole. 1701971;1503417999;asciilifeform;or rather, hole without donut. 1701972;1503418062;asciilifeform;the ~actual~ purpose of the attempted 'frameworks' is to drill into your skull and install the idea that nullcipher, diffiehellman, aes, are acceptable things to exist in this world, and can be pushed as 'cryptography' 1701973;1503418070;asciilifeform;whereas they serve the exact opposite purpose. 1701974;1503418119;asciilifeform;the second purpose of tls, 'noise', and every other 'protocol' published, is to install in your head the idea that it is acceptable for a cryptosystem to consist of 50kLines of c. 1701975;1503418124;asciilifeform;( or greater still ) 1701976;1503418140;asciilifeform;and to not be readable+fullygraspable by one man in a few hours. 1701977;1503418199;valentinbuza;'time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place.' << my guess is not, but I don't think we have a conclusion on this with a sample of 2 points 1701978;1503418213;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: the 'frameworks' are the fruits of poison tree 1701979;1503418286;asciilifeform;valentinbuza: do you know what lustration is ? 1701980;1503418439;spyked;valentinbuza, maybe not, but then if you have everything loaded in head, the most you can do is rip the useless parts apart and leave *only* what fits into the problem at hand. which turns "framework" into "item that solves particular problem". it is essential to not leave *anything else* there. 1701981;1503418492;shinohai;This is why we have asciilifeform 's "fits in head" (tm) (r) (tmsr) 1701982;1503418528;spyked;think about it, the problem of e.g. C software is that unsanitized inputs let users do *whatever* they like with it, i.e. arbitrary computetion. which goes way beyond program specification. 1701983;1503418534;spyked;*computation 1701984;1503418624;asciilifeform;spyked: more fundamentally, it is ~impossible to write a nontrivial c proggy without pointer arithmetic, and it is ~impossible to meaningfully prove the correctness of a nontrivial program involving pointer arithmetic. 1701985;1503418713;spyked;also, http://wiki.c2.com/?GreenspunsTenthRuleOfProgramming somewhat relevant. the more your program claims to do, the more of a chance it's gonna be used for unintended purposes. 1701986;1503418746;asciilifeform;spyked: ~any~ unanticipated behaviour of your program, is proof that it did ~not~ fit in your (the author's!) head 1701987;1503418969;spyked;yes, and C is I think it's a good example to illustrate the larger issue. it's a snowball thing, in the sense that it's sometimes enough to have 1 hole to break everything. incidentally most recent popularized vulns (not necessarily in C) fit there. 1701988;1503418988;spyked;shellshock: "let's call this general-purpose function that executes programs in a shell". 1701989;1503419006;asciilifeform;1 hole is -- definitionally -- enough-to-break-everything 1701990;1503419582;mod6;hai 1701991;1503419597;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu 1701992;1503419604;mircea_popescu;hola! 1701993;1503419606;asciilifeform;yer www is still dead 1701994;1503419633;mircea_popescu;i know i know. 1701995;1503419652;mircea_popescu;fiat isps. 1701996;1503419656;asciilifeform;colibri climbed into exhaust pipe ? 1701997;1503419657;asciilifeform;lolk 1701998;1503419700;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701847 << in this case, they actually work on gossipd. you seen that ? sina/peterl made mockups. 1701999;1503419700;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 10:17 valentinbuza: spyked, people who are serious about transport security (data in transit) shy away from TLS and they craft their own stripped down version using Noise Protocol Framework (http://noiseprotocol.org/index.html) 1702000;1503419771;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701848 << "the us navy" "inexplicably" forgets to correctly state "as mp has long pointed out on trilema, we are not actually either battle capable or operationally ready ; just like the rest of the usg." 1702001;1503419771;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 10:36 shinohai: http://archive.is/0TOaA "The US Navy orders "Operational pause" as it teaches sailors to actually navigate waters and use GPS, whilst all llitoral combat ships are refitted with pykrete 1702002;1503419838;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701860 << heh. 1702003;1503419838;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 12:08 asciilifeform: ( implementation becomes an underhanded-C-contest in concealing the fact of ~any~ box running the idiocy reverting to nullcipher on demand ) 1702004;1503419845;shinohai;And I thank thee, mircea_popescu , fpr reminding me that the US Navy + Pykrete = eterenal meme 1702005;1503419867;asciilifeform;shinohai: gotta nitpick, pykrete was (rejected by) british navy. ( back when there was a british navy ) 1702006;1503419872;mircea_popescu;it's the sawdust that keeps on giving! 1702007;1503419879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and your point is ? 1702008;1503419884;shinohai;^ 1702009;1503419913;mircea_popescu;wait, is it because india names its ships NSS Blabla sopmething we're supposed to believe "that's just what';s done" ? rather than "oh look, orc HMS!!!" ? 1702010;1503419916;asciilifeform;it's like putting napoleon in a tricorn. 1702011;1503419934;asciilifeform;but yes. 1702012;1503419945;mircea_popescu;there is no substantial difference between us and british navy just like there's no substantial difference between us and nazy atomic program. 1702013;1503419956;mircea_popescu;the former is just where the later ran to. 1702014;1503419978;asciilifeform;well today there ain't any british at all, only 'airstrip one' 1702015;1503419998;shinohai;If I paint `TMSR` in gold lettering on my bathtub boats, am I now admiral of Navy? 1702016;1503419999;mircea_popescu;right. 1702017;1503420016;asciilifeform;shinohai: no, but if you paint it on bathtub!11 1702018;1503420037;shinohai;S.S.M.P 1702019;1503420068;asciilifeform;'... and if the tub had been stronger, my song would have been longer' 1702020;1503420074;mircea_popescu;lol 1702021;1503420093;mircea_popescu;we should get ice-cube trays with various TMSR ship names on the inside. 1702022;1503420101;mircea_popescu;have littoral combat icecubes at parties. 1702023;1503420115;mircea_popescu;"while ship lasts" 1702024;1503420122;shinohai;Raised lettering, so it is imprinted on ice as it solidifies 1702025;1503420128;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1702026;1503420130;asciilifeform;clitoral combat ship 1702027;1503420135;shinohai;kek 1702028;1503420138;mircea_popescu;no that's different. 1702029;1503420196;mircea_popescu;clitoral combat ship = wartenberg wheel 1702030;1503420220;shinohai;Our Navy is so much more vast and complicated 1702031;1503420290;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701866 << nevermind ; still should talk to them. 1702032;1503420290;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 12:25 asciilifeform: but lattice per se is EXACTLY like xilinx, same profit model, closed arch, license 'ip cores'. their larger flagship fpga is exactly like xilinx 'spartan', full of proprietary peripherals, and that's the one that tends to get packaged into devboards with nic etc 1702033;1503420293;*;shinohai is prod to assert that he knows a woman irl skilled in the handling of wartenberg wheel 1702034;1503420300;shinohai;*proud 1702035;1503420314;mircea_popescu;is she a neurosurgeon's nurse ? 1702036;1503420347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you'd like to pen a 'can haz the pill against your $B 'intellektual property' racket for phreee? ' letter to lattice, go ahead. i did xilinx. 1702037;1503420362;asciilifeform;( the answer, quite unsurprisingly, never came ) 1702038;1503420381;mircea_popescu;not a matter of that. a matter of, hey, we're actually significantly smarter than you, come hang out, who knows, maybe you gain something. 1702039;1503420393;asciilifeform;after that let's write to obummer and ask for the aes pill. 1702040;1503420394;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking position, wtf do i want FROM a bunch of fiat rottinculo. 1702041;1503420418;asciilifeform;dunno, unconditional capitulation? 1702042;1503420423;asciilifeform;what does one ever want from'em 1702043;1503420467;mircea_popescu;i don't specifically care. it's a simple "come see whether you are good enough to seep people into your company or lose all your brain power to our better model". 1702044;1503420501;asciilifeform;i suspect these and other derps know what the answer is. ergo still sitting in bunker, taking in the wagner an' cyanide. 1702045;1503420511;mircea_popescu;it's important to find out, after all most fiat unis/tech corps/whatever actually to this day harbor the managerial delusion that they can in fact compete with the republic on a flesh basis. 1702046;1503420523;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in my experience they've no clue. 1702047;1503420532;asciilifeform;they dun have ~with what~ to have clue. 1702048;1503420542;mircea_popescu;right. that reverts to the null cipher. 1702049;1503420550;asciilifeform;amoeba dun have with what. 1702050;1503420569;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1702051;1503420577;asciilifeform;goxlag!111 1702052;1503420590;mircea_popescu;heh 1702053;1503420592;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3960.0, vol: 20588.27113964 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3960.0, vol: 53677.78176461 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4037.538399, vol: 22536.54470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3984.0, vol: 9236.13133613 | Volume-weighted last average: 3978.56976943 1702054;1503420636;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701877 << not such a good idea to mix different types. 1702055;1503420636;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 12:40 asciilifeform: say you have 4 holes. use 3 mechanicals + 1 ssd, then few months in, replace a mechanical, then again, year later, whole thing is ssd that will not ever simultaneously burn , in theory. 1702056;1503420648;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what can i say, it worked great, for the year+ 1702057;1503420657;asciilifeform;naturally runs at speed of slowest disk. 1702058;1503420661;asciilifeform;( in raid5 ) 1702059;1503420673;mircea_popescu;but yes, the principle is correct : make raid out of same items, then a few months in change one. though it doesn't need to be changed. then use THAT in the next raid you build. 1702060;1503420676;mircea_popescu;so they're not all same age. 1702061;1503420683;asciilifeform;aha 1702062;1503420703;mircea_popescu;as age is a great predictor of ssd failure and the shits are perfectly capable of dying same week. 1702063;1503420722;mircea_popescu;(raid reconstruct is io intensive, could push over the edge the redundancy, dying disk) 1702064;1503420726;asciilifeform;not merely predictor -- it gets finite writes in each block, after that -- it's a rom 1702065;1503420758;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, which aspect makes them slightly better than spinsters, which actually become unreadable. 1702066;1503420792;asciilifeform;cheap ( 'sandisk' and a few others ) actually become unreadable, the controller decides to shit itself when it can't find writable blocks 1702067;1503420809;asciilifeform;now try this idea on for size : picture a 'btcfs' that knows how to use a dead ssd 1702068;1503420815;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701887 << actually ima put the link in topic. standby. 1702069;1503420815;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 14:20 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701801 << Sounds like there should be a link to the trusted-nodes page in the HOWTO maybe. Also, a once per-month round-up of me asking for Node-Updates, if there are any. 1702070;1503420816;asciilifeform;( old blox ain't ever gonna change ) 1702071;1503420851;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea at all ; was going to come up when we were finally making the tmsr hdd controllers. but even early dun hurt anything. 1702072;1503420890;mircea_popescu;hmm, not putting it in topic, putting it in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ once i get that thing online again. 1702073;1503420911;asciilifeform;( if making own 'disks' -- use otp roms for blockchain. as discussed in old thread. now if only somebody still made otp roms !! ) 1702074;1503420956;asciilifeform;point remains, it is the Wrong Thing to use flippable registers to store bits that ain't EVER supposed to flip. 1702075;1503420979;mircea_popescu;sure. 1702076;1503420983;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701900 << ehehe ain't that the truth. 1702077;1503420983;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 14:35 asciilifeform: when saw that the ~original~ src was a pile of shithacks, lost interest in anything but the electron microscopy path ( like it or not, 1uM process folks were ~forced~ to make compact description ) 1702078;1503421024;mircea_popescu;switch over my shoulder grinning and bobbing her head. "yeah, what men need to perform is constriction." 1702079;1503421040;mircea_popescu;she's a slavegirl here ; otherwise luvs torturing bois in her free time. 1702080;1503421055;asciilifeform;outpatient, presumably? 1702081;1503421071;mircea_popescu;nobody's chained to the place! 1702082;1503421077;mircea_popescu;well, the noobies, but briefly. 1702083;1503421164;mircea_popescu;the point is not without merit, though. ~all the competent, at artisan level, males, the dudes working leather and metal and wood and whatnot ~competently~ are virtually all 50 yo doods with very much a slave mentality. 1702084;1503421272;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701905 << the skinning of the cat costs in excess of the pelt. suffice it to say that there's a reason all 80s "Spy films" are about how "there's a list of EVERY AGENT and the soviets MIGHT get it" bla bla dramas. 1702085;1503421272;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 14:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701790 << would be interesting to read moar re this 1702086;1503421313;asciilifeform;sorta the main diff b/w 'terrorist' cells org, and usg-style org, neh. the latter in fact has a 'crown jewels list-of-every' somewhere in it. 1702087;1503421321;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, the fear of one generation became the reality of the next. funny how it never worked that way re nuke ; but did work that way re craft. 1702088;1503421386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the actual reason, i am persuaded, is that the formerly VERY competitive, fragmented talent finally pooled starting mid 1989 and ending six months later. 1702089;1503421402;mircea_popescu;it was a case of "the inept management died, and the bright kids republiced in their absence". blasted through everything. 1702090;1503421422;asciilifeform;as in late '90s ru 1702091;1503421436;mircea_popescu;but romania ended up with a competent secret service mostly through infiltrating kgb, not through competition with the deeply inept burgeoises. 1702092;1503421481;mircea_popescu;it was decent and no more back when the principal target was the german kingdom. same exact evolution in tito's aglutination, actually. 1702093;1503421493;*;asciilifeform recalls the siguranța agent in ye olde #ba 1702094;1503421518;mircea_popescu;that was more the internal protection thing. 1702095;1503421525;mircea_popescu;sorta homeland security item 1702096;1503421581;mircea_popescu;!#s moruzov 1702097;1503421581;a111;1 result for "moruzov", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=moruzov 1702098;1503421588;mircea_popescu;hm. 1702099;1503421648;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform would prolly enjoy guy's bio 1702100;1503421661;mircea_popescu;zaporoj dood. 1702101;1503421662;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702083 << this is entirely true : carpenter is not free to ~negotiate with the task~, only with the wood. now for engineer, you also need a built-in ~master~ in yer head, aka ' царь в голове '. but at no point does unconstrained amoeba brain become a craftsman or engineer. 1702102;1503421662;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 16:59 mircea_popescu: the point is not without merit, though. ~all the competent, at artisan level, males, the dudes working leather and metal and wood and whatnot ~competently~ are virtually all 50 yo doods with very much a slave mentality. 1702103;1503421670;asciilifeform;or soldier, or general, or anything else. 1702104;1503421708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'the romanian canaris' lol 1702105;1503421719;mircea_popescu;quite. 1702106;1503421762;mircea_popescu;dude was fascinating though. completely inept linguistically, entirely uncultivated (no highschool degree). undeterred. 1702107;1503421772;mircea_popescu;he'd go consult with mp with a list of questions, and MEMORIZE the fucking answers. 1702108;1503421783;mircea_popescu;one of the rare cases where sheer discipline carried the day. 1702109;1503422146;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701911 << lynx / links etc. seriously. 1702110;1503422146;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:15 valentinbuza: gave up chrome long time ago for firefox (with noscript + self destructing cookies). now I should start looking for alternatives. 1702111;1503422204;mircea_popescu;it may seem offputting at first, "where's my rounded corners" reaction. then if you stick with it for a few weeks you might discover the IMMENSE productivity gains of text-only. 1702112;1503422330;mircea_popescu;1. because every fucking half second a page takes to load has an immense cost, in that you SWITCH. very much a case of http://archive.is/wkeMJ#selection-209.572-209.641 1702113;1503422371;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702072 << ok awesome! will do a regular round-up to make sure it stays up-to-date. 1702114;1503422371;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 16:54 mircea_popescu: hmm, not putting it in topic, putting it in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ once i get that thing online again. 1702115;1503422391;mircea_popescu;2. eye trying to orient in the "user friendly" graphical bloat is an incomprehensibly huge wastage of bioresources. 1702116;1503422426;mircea_popescu;and finally of course there's the important 3. pages that fail to work through this process are very rarely worth reading, you basically gain an entry filter more valuable than readily intuited. 1702117;1503422442;mircea_popescu;all these together add up to triple digit productivity gains. 1702118;1503422513;mircea_popescu;man who uses computer to do work never fails to discover this. the only thing is that most children start their intellectual life using computers for entertainment (which is entirely natural) and the transition happens naturally only if child is exposed to environment that permits manhood. 1702119;1503422526;mircea_popescu;otherwise, stays child / vaguely transitions into cvasi-girl over time. 1702120;1503422687;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701913 <<< it's not just that. firefox rendering engine has been forever broken, since version 5 or so. i dunno what version they're at by now, 60 or 160 or w/e, but they never actyually got the manpower together to fix the problem. which problem is -- not memory stable!!! most gfx pages will eat up firefox memory at linear rate over time. which means that the browser will always crash, no m 1702121;1503422687;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:16 asciilifeform: ( firefox is the one that has the added 'feature' of eating GBs of ram for no reason ) 1702122;1503422687;mircea_popescu;atter what, eventually. 1702123;1503422700;mircea_popescu;can't keep pages open. 1702124;1503422707;asciilifeform;aha 1702125;1503422714;asciilifeform;i can't fathom how anybody uses it 1702126;1503422739;asciilifeform;must be for the 'i'ma boot up my aol station, check aol, and switch off 10 min later' people. 1702127;1503422789;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701914 << lolz, "how about we put an alexa toolbar into the very browser ?!?!?! got knows we meanwhile managed to import all the other spamshits from the 90s!". https://verkoren.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/and-the-award-for-most-spam-toolbars-installed-in-your-ie-browser-goes-to.jpg 1702128;1503422789;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:18 valentinbuza: "to improve their experience." leads to "Which top sites are users visiting?" :)) 1702129;1503422789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unfortunately the 'mega productivity boost' dun work for maths. asciilifeform goes through many kg of laser print paper each mo. 1702130;1503422833;mircea_popescu;that's because math is not principally i/o 1702131;1503422859;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-17#1699732 << unfortunately sometimes -- is. 1702132;1503422859;a111;Logged on 2017-08-17 20:30 asciilifeform: but in very other olds, apparently in an obscure article in '09 bernstein shows how to eliminate one of the middle-term additions of karatsuba . 1702133;1503423466;asciilifeform;!!up r0nin- 1702134;1503423467;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1702135;1503423475;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701918 << actually, either of you two could make a logotron. it's a fine learning exercise. make it in lisp ; make it in v ; use whatever you're trying to learn. 1702136;1503423475;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:26 asciilifeform: valentinbuza: also recommend to read the mircea_popescu's intro, in the chan greetingline 1702137;1503423478;r0nin-; howdy mircea 1702138;1503423478;mircea_popescu;kinda the purpose of this. 1702139;1503423494;mircea_popescu;r0nin- don't tell me you got fresh reading recommendations ? 1702140;1503423510;r0nin-;ive got tailoring recommendations this time 1702141;1503423516;mircea_popescu;o.O 1702142;1503423519;mod6;:D 1702143;1503423541;r0nin-;whats a decent suit go for there anyway in argentina? 1702144;1503423586;mircea_popescu;the one i picked up when ben_vulpes was visiting set me back 10k. 1702145;1503423596;r0nin-;pesos or dollars 1702146;1503423600;mircea_popescu;pesos. bout 600 bux. 1702147;1503423619;r0nin-;full bespoke 1702148;1503423632;mircea_popescu;yes. main street shop, down by 1702149;1503423646;mircea_popescu;hm dude how quicly one forgets. wtf was it, cabildo cartago lessee 1702150;1503423657;r0nin-;how they doing that? fabric is like $100 a meter 1702151;1503423671;mircea_popescu;i paid for the fabric when i ordered it. 1702152;1503423693;r0nin-;so 600 + fabric 1702153;1503423707;mircea_popescu;r0nin- cordoba, if memory serves 800 or so. 1702154;1503423721;r0nin-;pretty cheap 1702155;1503423747;mircea_popescu;r0nin- not terrible. old jew, knows his trade. anyway fabric varies wildly, this was a light linen thing. they'll make it out of anything, including bring-your-own 1702156;1503423768;r0nin-;well its a very good price compared to europe 1702157;1503423808;mircea_popescu;but yes, tailoring tourism fits well with argentina. land, go straight to tailor, have measures taken, go to exedra or w/e pick up a coupla hookers, come back a week later pick up your half dozen suits and jump into plane. 1702158;1503423828;mircea_popescu;4-5k for the tickets + 4-5k for the hotel + 4-5k for the whores + 4.5k for the suits = 20k and you've a bunch of stories to tell. 1702159;1503423831;r0nin-;Rome 3k euro for anyone that knows what they are doing 1702160;1503423874;mircea_popescu;i know plenty of people spending a lot more for a week's vacation and getting a whole lot less. 1702161;1503423931;r0nin-;linen is a 1 wear though before it needs a press from the wrinkles 1702162;1503423955;mircea_popescu;oh, yeah, that suit's dead by now. but it served well in the heat. 1702163;1503424013;mod6;I should have gotten a few. 1702164;1503424013;asciilifeform;northkr could make a tourist killing, offer tailored vinylon suits 1702165;1503424036;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shocking how many buyers tolerate the synthetics these days. 1702166;1503424043;r0nin-;lol 1702167;1503424043;mod6;Damn heat + humidity up here is starting to get annoying everyday. 1702168;1503424044;asciilifeform;vinylon is the good synthetic 1702169;1503424051;asciilifeform;dun burn, dun melt, dirt won't stick 1702170;1503424059;r0nin-;whats vinylon 1702171;1503424060;mircea_popescu;anyway, rome is not really on the map for the sartorial gentleman. and the only thing that puts italy on the map is marcha, go pick a few pairs of shoes. 1702172;1503424079;r0nin-;Rome is on the map becuase of caraceni 1702173;1503424087;asciilifeform;r0nin-: 1930s japanese patent. 1702174;1503424099;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc gorbachev got his in rome 1702175;1503424105;asciilifeform;( suits ) 1702176;1503424110;mircea_popescu;r0nin- i guess. anyone's entitled to his own favoritas. 1702177;1503424118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, in the 70s. it ain't the 70s anymore. 1702178;1503424130;mircea_popescu;tell you what though : in the 70s everyone was getting his hjookers in italy, from visconti to the swiss. 1702179;1503424131;r0nin-;italian tailors are all dieing off 1702180;1503424137;mircea_popescu;back then the italians knew hunger. 1702181;1503424148;r0nin-;new gen doesnt want to apprentice 1702182;1503424161;mircea_popescu;or to anything, really. they'll reddit, that's about it. 1702183;1503424172;mircea_popescu;and why should they! human rights! living wage! no rape! 1702184;1503424189;r0nin-;www.tommyegiuliocaraceni.com/ 1702185;1503424195;r0nin-;rome is worth it for them alone 1702186;1503424203;mircea_popescu;nobody goes "oh fuck, unemployment among < 25 yos is 50% ? hahaha! pick up all kids, beat them for a week solid, then see." 1702187;1503424218;mircea_popescu;tell them, too. it;'s either unemploymenty under 2% or beatings for a week straight each month. 1702188;1503424242;mircea_popescu;wtf is this "We'll solve the problems for them". no, bitch. we think the unemployment among X group is too high, that group gets beaten until it fixes it! 1702189;1503424278;ben_vulpes;wasn't that the premise of 'austerity'? 1702190;1503424287;ben_vulpes;greek thing, i guess. 1702191;1503424305;r0nin-;austerity was to remove all $ from economy to protect bondholders 1702192;1503424323;r0nin-;drive wages to as close to zero as possible 1702193;1503424335;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ayup, exactly./ 1702194;1503424350;mircea_popescu;r0nin- ayup. and it is the correct move if you'ere not willing to actually beat the fuckers. 1702195;1503424378;mircea_popescu;but i very much recommend actual, physical, public-pillory beatings. 1702196;1503424393;r0nin-;government created trillions in new fiat to bail out financial sector and then they told everyone they have to accept 90% wage reductions 1702197;1503424459;r0nin-;mircea: why should everyone be impoverished so a few misers can stare at their shitty bonds? 1702198;1503424468;mircea_popescu;because everyone fucked up. 1702199;1503424474;r0nin-;how 1702200;1503424492;mircea_popescu;i don't care how. this isn't explainy hour. the cooperation of the fucker-upper is neither sought nor required. 1702201;1503424500;mircea_popescu;let them fucking figure out how. i just give out the signal if. 1702202;1503424503;r0nin-;the fucker upper was the bondholder 1702203;1503424507;mircea_popescu;the signal how is their fucking problem. 1702204;1503424516;mircea_popescu;r0nin- absolutely not. money didn't fail. 1702205;1503424523;mircea_popescu;labour failed. 1702206;1503424535;r0nin-;yes compound interest once again overwhelmhed the economies ability to keep up 1702207;1503424546;mircea_popescu;capital failing situation is eg, enemy bombardment. then capital fails, then you protect labour. 1702208;1503424564;shinohai;Oh mircea_popescu , you forgot to tell me that (x) altcoin was going TO TEH MOON 1702209;1503424570;r0nin-;no economic engine in history can keep up with compounding interest 1702210;1503424573;mircea_popescu;i did ?! 1702211;1503424602;mircea_popescu;r0nin- veneta kept up for a millenium. no SOCIALIST system in history can keep up with its socialism, which is why roman empire and usian empire both crapped. 1702212;1503424605;mircea_popescu;and all empires in between. 1702213;1503424615;r0nin-;roman empire collapsed becuase of usury 1702214;1503424617;mircea_popescu;but commercial republic is undefeatable. 1702215;1503424623;r0nin-;soldiers lost all their farms due to compounding 1702216;1503424624;mircea_popescu;r0nin- roman empire collapsed because of welfare. 1702217;1503424627;mircea_popescu;mno. 1702218;1503424637;r0nin-;more and more wealth concentrated into latifundas 1702219;1503424647;mircea_popescu;that was a defensive, not an agressive play. 1702220;1503424672;r0nin-;youve got it the opposite, overtime compounding outstrips the economies ability to generate surplus 1702221;1503424676;mircea_popescu;wealth concentrated in latifundias to protect itself from the inept mismanagement of soldiers who had become welfare cases over a century since marian's obamacare. 1702222;1503424686;mircea_popescu;no, i've got the facts and you've got teh mantras. 1702223;1503424694;r0nin-;the soldiers werent around they were out battling 1702224;1503424700;mircea_popescu;lol right. 1702225;1503424701;r0nin-;their farms got posted as collateral for high interest rates 1702226;1503424719;mircea_popescu;nonsense. after 20-25 years of battling, soldier got money and land. 1702227;1503424736;mircea_popescu;early soldier cultivated it and built a civilisation. late soldier attempted to live above his means to justify socially his internal ineptitude. 1702228;1503424755;r0nin-;how do you live beyond your means? all consumption is a result of present production 1702229;1503424755;mircea_popescu;much exactly like the history of the us, except stretched over 3x the time. 1702230;1503424767;mircea_popescu;by eating the capital. 1702231;1503424770;mircea_popescu;!#s burn sofa 1702232;1503424771;a111;3 results for "burn sofa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=burn%20sofa 1702233;1503424778;r0nin-;what happened was all the $ went into so few hands you had deflation everywhere 1702234;1503424786;r0nin-;becuase a rich miser is hoarding 1702235;1503424791;mircea_popescu;psssh. 1702236;1503424814;r0nin-;deflation kills off consumption so you get a situation where theres literally no market to sell your produce in 1702237;1503424821;mircea_popescu;understand something : a new chicken is born on a farm. this chicken grows into either capital good or else consumption. THE SAME chicken. 1702238;1503424825;r0nin-;while interest payments keep growing 1702239;1503424830;r0nin-;yes 1702240;1503424832;mircea_popescu;they started eating their chickens. living above means. 1702241;1503424836;mircea_popescu;that's what it is. 1702242;1503424849;r0nin-;interest continues no matter the productive capacity of the farm 1702243;1503424862;mircea_popescu;and the undersranding of this being what it is, is universal. flaubert has piece explaining how dr bovary sucked at farming because he ate his farm. 1702244;1503424871;mircea_popescu;that's 1800s. throughout, everywhere, including the self-same romans understand this. 1702245;1503424873;r0nin-;they didnt eat their farms 1702246;1503424879;r0nin-;they lost them all 1702247;1503424884;r0nin-;became serfs 1702248;1503424888;mircea_popescu;which is why they had the office of the censor, and which is why it was illegal for the womenz to wear expensive textiles, and so on. 1702249;1503424911;mircea_popescu;no, they ate their farms. exactly as how 1600s frenchmen ate their farms, became "french republic" because too poor to continue kingdom. 1702250;1503424918;r0nin-;if you have 100% private debt to gdp, and 3% interest, even if you economy expands at 3% all the gains go to interest 1702251;1503424924;r0nin-;thats what europe and US is at now 1702252;1503424932;mircea_popescu;living above means -> economic failure -> ra ra socialism -> guillotine. that's how the engine works. 1702253;1503424944;r0nin-;thats wrong 1702254;1503424950;mircea_popescu;then guillotine brings in a new normal in terms of social proofs, which allows the cycle to start over. 1702255;1503424950;r0nin-;all output was taken by rentiers 1702256;1503424965;mircea_popescu;in a dozen or so cycles, france goes from main country in the world to footnote in geographical area. 1702257;1503424967;r0nin-;what farm can expand at 10% every year? 1702258;1503424968;trinque;god if only the rentiers would give back our precious appstore wealth 1702259;1503424973;mircea_popescu;happened to rome, happened to paris, happened to london. 1702260;1503424988;r0nin-;every single one of those examples is riddled with usury 1702261;1503424996;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 1702262;1503425004;r0nin-;its basic mathematics here 1702263;1503425025;r0nin-;rome had interest rates from 7-20%, made it impossible for farms to keep increasing output 1702264;1503425035;mircea_popescu;your usury thing is not unlike linking organized crime with belt buckles. because belt buckles present at all shootings! and made of tin-copper alloy! 1702265;1503425039;mircea_popescu;alien nonsense. 1702266;1503425055;asciilifeform;r0nin-: 'rome had..' how ? martians landed , imposed ? 1702267;1503425063;mircea_popescu;r0nin- farm doesn't HAVE to increase output. if the sconto rate is too high, i will simply sell an extra egg and invest. 1702268;1503425073;mircea_popescu;and keep doing this until the economy is too flush with savings to keep the rates high. 1702269;1503425075;r0nin-;no your egg sale goes to interest payments 1702270;1503425082;mircea_popescu;i do not owe anyone anything. 1702271;1503425085;mircea_popescu;im a man not a fucktard. 1702272;1503425104;mircea_popescu;and if the rates are high, i increase savings and push the rates down. 1702273;1503425112;asciilifeform;betcha r0nin- thinks usa has a 'mortgage crisis', not a fucktard crisis, even 1702274;1503425114;r0nin-;no you dont lol 1702275;1503425117;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1702276;1503425120;r0nin-;interest rates are not a function of savings 1702277;1503425129;mircea_popescu;because why, because i gotta spend money i don't have on suits i can't afford to impress r0nin- ? 1702278;1503425132;r0nin-;how many times does that myth have to be told 1702279;1503425135;mircea_popescu;i don't need to impress him. 1702280;1503425143;asciilifeform;r0nin-: if you don't borrow, your interest rate is 0 1702281;1503425145;mircea_popescu;again, because man, and because don't owe anyone anything. 1702282;1503425159;asciilifeform;r0nin-: in rome today, or in rome 100ad 1702283;1503425173;r0nin-;theres no such thing as an economy without credit 1702284;1503425207;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but in the country where "everyone agreed" not to save, then savings depressing rate is a myth. much like in class where "the class community" has agreed not to do any homework, the punishment for missing homework is a myth. 1702285;1503425213;mircea_popescu;they agree among themselves, and they matter! 1702286;1503425225;r0nin-;you are confusing nominal financial savings with real savings 1702287;1503425231;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1702288;1503425232;r0nin-;a productive farm is a real saving 1702289;1503425239;mircea_popescu;you pay interest on nominal debt not on real debt. 1702290;1503425241;r0nin-;financial savings are abstract 1702291;1503425245;r0nin-;yes 1702292;1503425249;mircea_popescu;whole fucking principle of interest is based on nominalism. 1702293;1503425251;r0nin-;rome was a usury economy 1702294;1503425258;mircea_popescu;and IT EXISTS so as to bring the names in coupling with reality. 1702295;1503425261;r0nin-;interest is not a natural occuring element 1702296;1503425282;mircea_popescu;that's why socialists hate interest so much : because it is the prick that deflates the nominalist balloons into the reality shapes subiacent. 1702297;1503425295;asciilifeform;!!up r0nin- 1702298;1503425296;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1702299;1503425301;mircea_popescu;forces the tethering of words to means. 1702300;1503425305;r0nin-;socialists dont hate interest 1702301;1503425307;asciilifeform;i wanna hear how 'natural' is to borrow from others for phree 1702302;1503425319;mircea_popescu;r0nin- not all of them speak of it ; all hate it like you do. 1702303;1503425320;r0nin-;socialism comes about as a reaction to deflation brought about by compounding 1702304;1503425335;r0nin-;its the pus that forms when the body politic is sick of capitalism 1702305;1503425340;mircea_popescu;mno. socialism comes about as the young failure discovers other kids can in fact morph into adults. 1702306;1503425347;mircea_popescu;it's simple statement of envy. 1702307;1503425354;r0nin-;as i said mircea its simple math. 1702308;1503425362;r0nin-;no economy can keep up with the power of compounding 1702309;1503425373;mircea_popescu;socialism is 100% a 12yo girl noticing the other girl has tits and she doesn't. that's where socialism is born, in the 7th grade class. 1702310;1503425377;r0nin-;government came in and created trillions of fiat to bail out bondholders 1702311;1503425390;r0nin-;and told the rest of the economy they have to massively shrink and somehow still pay 1702312;1503425393;mircea_popescu;summer ends, girls come back to school, some with tits. the ones without -- discover socialism. that first week in september. 1702313;1503425418;r0nin-;mircea: do you understand spending = income? 1702314;1503425423;mircea_popescu;mno. 1702315;1503425424;r0nin-;there is no savings without spending. 1702316;1503425428;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1702317;1503425441;r0nin-;if you reduce spending you reduce income 1702318;1503425450;r0nin-;contracting output and increasing debt ratios 1702319;1503425462;mircea_popescu;if you reduce spending you reduce REAL consumption and NOMINAL income 1702320;1503425467;r0nin-;yes 1702321;1503425472;r0nin-;meaning business shuts doors. 1702322;1503425474;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking problem. the bezzle rate = difference between real and nominal growth. 1702323;1503425484;mircea_popescu;reduction in spending slows down the growth of the bezzle. 1702324;1503425492;r0nin-;interest rates are a abstract they can be whatever 1702325;1503425502;r0nin-;the natural rate of interest in any economy is zero. 1702326;1503425512;mircea_popescu;not in any economy. only in the cemetery economy. 1702327;1503425519;mircea_popescu;when everyone's dead, inflation rate is zero. 1702328;1503425520;r0nin-;becuase as i said if you take 2 100 bills and put them in a shelf they dont produce children. 1702329;1503425528;mircea_popescu;the nominal money has nothing to do with this. 1702330;1503425530;r0nin-;inflation = compound interest. 1702331;1503425536;r0nin-;all economies with high inflation have high interest rates 1702332;1503425544;mircea_popescu;meh he's back into stupid mode. 1702333;1503425545;mircea_popescu;!!down r0nin- 1702334;1503425564;mircea_popescu;this place is for reading AND FOR CHANGING YOURSELF. 1702335;1503425571;mircea_popescu;this place dun change to accomodate you. 1702336;1503425593;asciilifeform;naggum's 'cdrom brains' 1702337;1503425612;mircea_popescu;wtf is with this nonsensical "now i will repeat debunked nonsense insistently!" mode. 1702338;1503425642;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701923 << dja see the problem with this ? 1702339;1503425642;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:31 valentinbuza: noise is a framework for creating protocols. you have the option to create NOISE_NULL_CIPHER_TOTAL_BS protocol which is totally different from NOISE_ANOTHER_SANE_CHOICE 1702340;1503425648;mircea_popescu;consider fucking for a moment. 1702341;1503425666;mircea_popescu;some kids who couldn't get laid got together and created... a framework for... other people getting laid. 1702342;1503425674;mircea_popescu;this sound familiar ? and if familiar, does it still make sense ? 1702343;1503425705;mircea_popescu;(no, i don't just mean reddit pick-up artistry. anglican church same exact thing.) 1702344;1503425775;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701928 << yes, yes, but ~why~ does he think in that manner ? and why isn't he here ? and how are these two failures of his related ? 1702345;1503425775;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:34 valentinbuza: don't know. ask Trevor Perrin, maybe he thought of creating all the possible recipes 1702346;1503425950;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701941 << the dispute you ended up in is due to the fact that he recognizes a pattern you do not. whether you will come to recognize it in time or not is an open matter, and not required for the discussion. the point is, the way the empire resolves the problem of practical failure (tls is a piece of shit ; socialism is risible bullshit) is to take refuge in meta (here's a tls-framework! let' 1702347;1503425950;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:40 valentinbuza: as you can see on the spec, it is not concerned with PKI or your authentication methods, it's up to you 1702348;1503425950;mircea_popescu;s talk about empathy!). 1702349;1503426010;mircea_popescu;this ever-meta-regression is a prominent feature of broken ideal systems, a good model for which is of course adolescentine "irony". 1702350;1503426110;mircea_popescu;girl notices she dun have tits, is "ironic" about it ; that dun help, she's "ironic" about it not working, becomes janine garofalo. PROBLEM SOLVED! and if not solved, can always be ironic about being janine garofalo. 1702351;1503426288;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701949 << very much a standard in the proper sense. standard should specify what must be specified, and NOT specifiy what needn't be specified. which is why all tmsr standards, or at least the ones i wrote, have this very prominent characteristic. "do it whichever way you do it". connects straight up with ye olde specificity of diddling. 1702352;1503426288;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:47 asciilifeform: a 'standard' that consists of 'go and implement whatever you like' is not a standard in any meaningful sense. 1702353;1503426335;asciilifeform;do IT whichever way you do IT 1702354;1503426338;asciilifeform;not 'do whatever' 1702355;1503426344;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1702356;1503426497;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701957 << no, his objection actually is "tls ingredient sucks and recipe sucks whereas noise is not a recipe and it doesn't have ingredients". he is correclty rejecting what, contrary to elaborately crafted appearance, is a null cipher. 1702357;1503426497;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 15:57 valentinbuza: probably. but i think that your argument is invalid because you say that "in TLS ingredients suck and recipe sucks" and "in Noise ingredients suck therefore the recipe also sucks" 1702358;1503426509;mircea_popescu;i want to take the time here and delve upon the recursion for your benefit. 1702359;1503426561;mircea_popescu;the point re thompson's compiler is easily misunderstood, in the sense of being conceptualized too narrowly. that unwarranted narrowness then permits you to handwave his objection re null ciphers in the actual technical discussion ; but look how you fell for an obfuscated null cipher yourself right here! 1702360;1503426586;mircea_popescu;the items are DANGEROUS, specifically because they exploit a fundamental weakness of the human brain. they're like guns to dodos, unperceived, deadly. 1702361;1503426593;mircea_popescu;does this make sense to you ? 1702362;1503426785;mircea_popescu;now consider the by now famous http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583902 and understand that the negative case WILL get the brightest minds. not once or twice, it's perfecrtly capable of getting you again and again and this doesn'rt even speak to how smart you are. how inexperienced at best, in terms of "not yet wounded by practical experience enough to systematically reject the null case". 1702363;1503426785;a111;Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False 1702364;1503427296;mircea_popescu;and in other life and times, i have a table out on a balcony overlooking the valley where i oft have breakfast. a week or so ago it gained a little wolf spider, he hunts on it. he's there every morning, and if i sit down to eat he leaves to hide in a crevice somewhere while the disturbance lasts. 1702365;1503427302;mircea_popescu;fucking cute biodiversidad already. 1702366;1503427972;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701966 << more importantly, and more subtly, it sells you on the notion that "dh is a prerequisite for handshakes", which happens to be false. for one thing, you can shake a friend's hand without the usg being involved. for another, gossipd does not use dh for handshake. in short, the usgtardian nonsense is always there to distract you while it implants simpler points deep into the reptile b 1702367;1503427972;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 16:04 spyked: loaded (because I don't use this day-to-day), I must consult these items in great detail. my guess here is that once I have spent all the time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place. 1702368;1503427973;mircea_popescu;rain. whole country runs as an advertising firm, "keep 'em talking about what color highschool uniforms should be, as long as they do they've already accepted they'll wear fucking pantsuits to school like retards". 1702369;1503428035;mircea_popescu;you should see the latina chicks btw. they're all in school-mandated, half-thigh pleated skirts and whatnot, different colors. it's a whole level of japan over here. 1702370;1503428745;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eyMrD/?raw=true ; spyked http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xLR1Q/?raw=true 1702371;1503430170;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702369 <<< It's a Devil House!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_AR-VqQif8 1702372;1503430170;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 18:53 mircea_popescu: you should see the latina chicks btw. they're all in school-mandated, half-thigh pleated skirts and whatnot, different colors. it's a whole level of japan over here. 1702373;1503430435;mircea_popescu;lel. 1702374;1503430544;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, speaking of catholic latinas etc : the dispute between "progressives" and "christian fundamentalists" never ceases to amaze me. here you have two pantsuit groups which both agree with the fundamental pantsuit "every sperm is sacred". their disagreement is re when "every sperm is sacred" starts : the jesus pantsuit thinks it's at age -9 months ; the progre pantsuit thinks it's at - something, not quite 9 mon 1702375;1503430544;mircea_popescu;ths. say -5 months, -6 months, something like that. 1702376;1503430565;mircea_popescu;which, amusingly, makes the jesus pantsuits ACTUALLY MORE PROGRESSIVE than the new yorker crowd. 1702377;1503430597;mircea_popescu;somehow the participants manage to insulate themselves from these obviously very toxic facts 1702378;1503432010;BingoBoingo; theres no such thing as an economy without credit << There is no obligation to take on credit, or keep "revolving" credit accounts 1702379;1503432745;mircea_popescu;except of course wife wants house to lay eggs into because "all the other girls arew doing it" 1702380;1503432774;BingoBoingo;Then she can pick cotton, weave tent 1702381;1503432807;mircea_popescu;o noes! she'll just find different sucker then! 1702382;1503432827;BingoBoingo;Cool, 2x people to pick cotton nao 1702383;1503432870;mircea_popescu;trilema back live for whoever missed it. 1702384;1503432888;mircea_popescu;o and what a nice header day it is, too. or should i say moon. 1702385;1503432950;BingoBoingo;Eh, moon was so yesterday 1702386;1503434327;spyked;mircea_popescu, ACK. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lavNS/?raw=true (hope this works, haven't done in a while) 1702387;1503435139;mircea_popescu;works fine. 1702388;1503437423;mircea_popescu;mod6 done : http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#selection-115.56-119.1 ; though the header could prolly go to "The Real Bitcoin public node list" or something. 1702389;1503437729;mircea_popescu;ftr, only a coupla of those five actually work. i can connect to 46.166.165.30 regularly but can not connect to eg 108.31.170.49 1702390;1503437779;mircea_popescu;nor to 172.86.178.46 1702391;1503437895;mod6;mircea_popescu: hey! cool. thanks for adding that in there. lemme look those IPs up quick. 1702392;1503437985;mod6;Ok so this one is alf's zoolag: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694292 1702393;1503437985;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 22:43 mod6: <+asciilifeform> zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 . << thanks for the update. 1702394;1503438004;mod6;And as far as I know, that one is re-syncing. 1702395;1503438015;trinque;mircea_popescu: can't connect to deedbot's node eh? 1702396;1503438042;mod6;Attention rest of the node operators: Can you vouch for your node being online? Ideally, it should have 95% or better uptime. 1702397;1503438071;trinque;"up 363 days" 1702398;1503438098;mod6;fwiw, I almost never connect to these myself. 1702399;1503438114;mod6;Occasionally when I'm trying to do a test or some such thing. 1702400;1503438137;trinque;looks like I've got 25 connections atm 1702401;1503438138;mod6;Basically, operators are responsible for keeping the nodes going. 1702402;1503438147;mod6;trinque: sounds good. 1702403;1503438198;mircea_popescu;ah the resyncing would do it yeah 1702404;1503438218;mircea_popescu;mod6 same here, may be too short sampling etc. will update tonight. 1702405;1503438236;mircea_popescu;trinque fwiw, a public node very rarely goes under 1-200 in my experience. 1702406;1503438238;mod6;Ok, sure. Let me know how it goes. 1702407;1503438244;mircea_popescu;you may be experiencing forced drops or something. 1702408;1503438288;trinque;hm 1702409;1503438431;trinque;I'm connected to it myself from elsewhere, but who knows what's going on. 1702410;1503438450;mircea_popescu;and speaking of nodes and things, https://coin.dance/nodes 1702411;1503438486;mircea_popescu;and apparently https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 is back too 1702412;1503438588;mircea_popescu;trinque are you one block behind btw ? i think that might make this setup not count you 1702413;1503438597;ben_vulpes;mine has 30 connections atm 1702414;1503438722;trinque;481639 1702415;1503438754;trinque;so yeah, looks like there's one ahead yet 1702416;1503438811;mircea_popescu;yeah ok. 640 came ~5 mins ago 1702417;1503438883;mircea_popescu;mod6 since these are public and publicly known, how about adding an irc name next to the ip ? so i know who to talk to. 1702418;1503440489;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702394 << it is zoolag, it is resyncing, and ( i assume everybody knows ) it is ~impossible to usefully connect to a trb node that is syncing 1702419;1503440489;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 21:40 mod6: And as far as I know, that one is re-syncing. 1702420;1503440494;asciilifeform;( block verify is blocking ) 1702421;1503440503;asciilifeform;at 272303 nao 1702422;1503440507;asciilifeform;( and counting ) 1702423;1503440539;asciilifeform;prolly needs at least another wk before backinbusiness 1702424;1503440585;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702389 << .30 is dulap/snsa 1702425;1503440585;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 21:35 mircea_popescu: ftr, only a coupla of those five actually work. i can connect to 46.166.165.30 regularly but can not connect to eg 108.31.170.49 1702426;1503440594;asciilifeform;49 zoolag 1702427;1503440607;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702390 << for some reason i thought that one was mircea_popescu's 1702428;1503440607;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 21:36 mircea_popescu: nor to 172.86.178.46 1702429;1503442725;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 since these are public and publicly known, how about adding an irc name next to the ip ? so i know who to talk to. << sure, working on the updates now... 1702430;1503443008;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1702431;1503443009;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 481648 | Current Difficulty: 9.23233068448E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 481823 | Next Difficulty In: 175 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 52 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1702432;1503444490;mod6;Ok all: trinque, ben_vulpes, asciilifeform, pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu : I have updated the trusted-nodes page, please take a look and verify that the information for your nodes is correct, thank you! http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html 1702433;1503444564;shinohai;My node info is incorrect .... it is 0.0.0.0 1702434;1503444576;mod6;:D 1702435;1503444592;shinohai;^_________________^\ 1702436;1503444673;mod6;Also all, I have updated the howto page to link the trusted-nodes page as well: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html 1702437;1503445398;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/austria-and-car-makers-conspire-to-cripple-600000-cars-already-sold/ << Qntra - Austria And Car Makers Conspire To Cripple 600,000 Cars Already Sold 1702438;1503445449;BingoBoingo;^ From the between Berlin and Moscow department of departments 1702439;1503445649;BingoBoingo;A discovery on Infiltration from the department of web backups that are not https://archive.is/xbdld 1702440;1503446103;BingoBoingo;And then this discussion on the not quite backed up web in the comments http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8738&pr=1 1702441;1503446217;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> and speaking of nodes and things, https://coin.dance/nodes << never saw this one before, pretty cool blurb there on trb. 1702442;1503446513;BingoBoingo;!~ticker 1702443;1503446514;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 4082.0, Best ask: 4082.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 4082.0, 24 hour volume: 61725.61235773, 24 hour low: 3599.0, 24 hour high: 4141.9, 24 hour vwap: None 1702444;1503446524;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1702445;1503446542;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4085.0, vol: 23523.06050423 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4080.1, vol: 61706.76853095 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4150.116401, vol: 24366.52680000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4113.9, vol: 10237.1837913 | Volume-weighted last average: 4098.18622466 1702446;1503451298;mircea_popescu;mod6 looks much better nao yeah. 1702447;1503452368;mircea_popescu;and speaking of http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html : are we making it bad form for l1 to not have a node up ? or waiting till next year ? 1702448;1503452666;mod6;well, I think we should certainly encourage all to run a node. but yeah, maybe give it some time. my node is close, but 20k blocks behind currently. 1702449;1503452696;mod6;"blocks" : 460662, 1702450;1503452748;mircea_popescu;aite. 1702451;1503452816;mod6;I guess I'd like to see all of L1 at least have a trb node at least sync'ing by years end. That's a good goal. 1702452;1503453067;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1702453;1503453091;mircea_popescu;i mean, a trb capable machine is somewhere in the 50-100 bux / month range, certainly an expense but not the end of the world. 1702454;1503453142;mod6;Yah. My node is like ~$60/mo. 1702455;1503453214;mod6;To all L1 who do not have a TRB node yet, please start this process now-ish, and let me know if you need a hand standing one up when ready. 1702456;1503453238;mircea_popescu;l1 & aspiring l1 hehe 1702457;1503453368;mod6;indeed ^ 1702458;1503453641;mircea_popescu;and in other nodes, http://68.media.tumblr.com/fc2a8f443424459184707f9472b0e450/tumblr_nwn691yqQs1ujj1izo1_1280.jpg 1702459;1503453764;whaack;so..does the USD monthly fee estimates imply it doesn't matter if you posses the metal? and if it doesn't matter, what are the hosting suggestions/guidelines? 1702460;1503453794;mircea_popescu;lol @lafond "us military is called in to sort out what is left of america". here's the scoop : us military is <100k, most of which desk flyers, out of shape and combat-useless. ever since vietnam all the us army did was "consultancy", for locals willing to fight, where they could be found. 1702461;1503453810;mircea_popescu;us army trying to "sort out america" would last sixteen hours. provided they start early in the morning. 1702462;1503453843;mircea_popescu;whaack dun imply anything, you can surely put together older gear in your den or w/e. 1702463;1503453882;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wtf is his idea "us army vs us" is 1:100 odds ? it's 100:1 lol. 1702464;1503455285;mircea_popescu;anyway. amateur hour. 1702465;1503456201;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702441 << lol! 'convened in #bitcoin-assets'. 'emergent consensus' 1702466;1503456201;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 23:56 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and speaking of nodes and things, https://coin.dance/nodes << never saw this one before, pretty cool blurb there on trb. 1702467;1503456225;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/oxRxc << ...unions refuse "to accept responsibility for service disruptions that negatively affect the customers when we have no input on operational changes." 1702468;1503456230;asciilifeform;if that's 'pretty good', what does prettybad look like 1702469;1503456232;ben_vulpes;and totally aren't saboteurs either! 1702470;1503456243;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No idea what the concretes are beyond the admission that poverty is the condition of having a dysfunctional WoT 1702471;1503456319;ben_vulpes;whaack: suggestion is 'diversify' 1702472;1503456364;ben_vulpes;and recommendation ssd; although spinning rust not impossibru to get by with it ain't long for this world. 1702473;1503456400;BingoBoingo; i mean, a trb capable machine is somewhere in the 50-100 bux / month range, certainly an expense but not the end of the world. << Negrodamus, i.e. 192.187.99.74 rents for less 1702474;1503456480;BingoBoingo; so..does the USD monthly fee estimates imply it doesn't matter if you posses the metal? and if it doesn't matter, what are the hosting suggestions/guidelines? << A node is not a wallet, doesn't hurt to spread a few around. 1702475;1503456525;asciilifeform;if speaking of cheap nodez, zoolag costs ~0 ( aside from disks ) , i get fiber to the grounds regardless 1702476;1503456561;asciilifeform;( if yer here, you too have a net pipe ! ) 1702477;1503456594;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VBlZA/?raw=true 1702478;1503456729;*;mircea_popescu has been staring at this log snippet incomprehendingly. 1702479;1503456852;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty bad what ? 1702480;1503456900;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702441 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702465 1702481;1503456900;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 23:56 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and speaking of nodes and things, https://coin.dance/nodes << never saw this one before, pretty cool blurb there on trb. 1702482;1503456900;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 02:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702441 << lol! 'convened in #bitcoin-assets'. 'emergent consensus' 1702483;1503456924;mircea_popescu;just some random website. what of it ? 1702484;1503456959;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes is the contention union position is unreasonable ? 1702485;1503456995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hilariously wrong description of trb 1702486;1503457010;mircea_popescu;yeah well, im sure it's crowdsourced or w/e. 1702487;1503457330;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gOIbx/?raw=true 1702488;1503457330;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1702489;1503457688;pete_dushenski;lol pretty sure i wrote that coin.dance blurb however many years back 1702490;1503458133;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: gems in the linked piece in re bulldozer on tracks 1702491;1503458413;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xwwuJ/?raw=true 1702492;1503461856;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski for that site ? 1702493;1503461880;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes evidently they're pissy about "he took our jerbs". 1702494;1503461984;BingoBoingo;Dey took ur jerb! 1702495;1503461995;BingoBoingo;Durk Ur DUR! 1702496;1503462072;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: it was one of those "please to submit your version details" so... i did. can't recall if i actually clicked the "emergent consensus" button seriously or in jest, or if it was something that the hosts ticked, but it was definitely a test to see if they'd keep it up or not. looks like they have. 1702497;1503462160;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/yDG2t 1702498;1503462211;mircea_popescu;i had no idea site was that old. 1702499;1503462232;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/20/bch-bcc-to-btc-brokerage/#footnote_0_19497 << updated max fee because today was a day of hard knock learnin', particularly around what btc actually goes for these days and how to dun read gud. 1702500;1503462349;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CNt8H/?raw=true 1702501;1503462356;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: it predates trb by a bit at least, ya. 1702502;1503462431;BingoBoingo;I thought it popped up around ClassicCoin's proposal 1702503;1503462437;*;pete_dushenski to have a cold shower 1702504;1503462733;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3B12CF9DB37F5874E36BAF6296D95DA4D187F4B923CDCD104EAD2CA08DA0910 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1437...7653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.44.141 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.44.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (booksy5.booksy.se. SE) 1702505;1503462733;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3B12CF9DB37F5874E36BAF6296D95DA4D187F4B923CDCD104EAD2CA08DA0910 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1484...0053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.44.141 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.44.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (booksy5.booksy.se. SE) 1702506;1503462900;mike_c;doh. trb node stalled out. 1702507;1503463052;mike_c;busily filling my disk with: 1702508;1503463055;mike_c;ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 650790574a mapTransactions prev not found be8d298e75 1702509;1503463055;mike_c;ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 650790574a 1702510;1503463056;mike_c;etc. 1702511;1503463136;BingoBoingo;In the turrdorist department https://archive.is/MuV2n 1702512;1503463587;ben_vulpes;hue, even pax dickinson wants UCI now: https://twitter.com/CounterFund/status/898366181102555136 1702513;1503463801;mike_c;oh nice. restart node, back off and running. 1702514;1503463977;mike_c;mircea_popescu: nudge on mpex withdrawal 1702515;1503463989;mircea_popescu;kk 1702516;1503464104;ben_vulpes;mike_c: it is, after all, windows technology 1702517;1503464132;mike_c;still? I guess boost qualifies as that 1702518;1503464505;mike_c;how the fuck is litecoin still a thing 1702519;1503464515;mike_c;or at least, as much as it ever was. 1702520;1503464780;BingoBoingo;!!Up yangwao 1702521;1503464780;deedbot;yangwao voiced for 30 minutes. 1702522;1503464889;ben_vulpes;yangwao: who is your daddy and what does he do 1702523;1503465217;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-mangocratic-oath/ << Trilema - The Mangocratic Oath 1702524;1503465383;ben_vulpes;today's american political wtf: "John Brown, of an anti-Trump group calling itself the Redneck Revolt, wore military fatigues and had an AK-47 rifle strapped to his chest as he and a half dozen others from the group stood about 30 feet behind the barricade for protesters. He said they were there to protect Trump opponents and stand up to fascism." 1702525;1503465385;ben_vulpes;http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/23/trump-phoenix-protesters-241928 1702526;1503465976;ben_vulpes;bringing a trb node up on whatever gentoo image scaleway has; 'pthread: command not found', log notes indicate patch necessary to cmake CheckIncludeFiles.cmake, investigation of which shows...no cmake on this box 1702527;1503466015;ben_vulpes;what delightful novelty 1702528;1503466429;BingoBoingo;Sweet http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/08/22/watch-phoenix-protester-takes-pepper-ball-groin/ 1702529;1503466512;BingoBoingo;https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ 1702530;1503466953;mircea_popescu;no cmake huh. 1702531;1503466957;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: lol that leo piece. "left is hell-bent on discrediting itself", or how did it go 1702532;1503466972;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: apparently 1702533;1503467025;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Remember that when a leftist group gets COINTELPRO'd that it's because USG wants the shit they are selling 1702534;1503467031;ben_vulpes;but the error i hit was 'pthread: command not found', which...wat 1702535;1503467084;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: hey if everything can't be free, maybe we can guilt whitey into giving us their houses and inheritances 1702536;1503467099;mircea_popescu;one generation too late for that. 1702537;1503467113;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Whitey ate their houses 1702538;1503467444;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes amusingly, this dekulakization v2.0 very pussy-like. 1702539;1503467799;ben_vulpes;you mean it wasn't all whining and pleases and you shoulds the first time through? 1702540;1503468150;mircea_popescu;no, it was around ww2, they just stole all real estate. 1702541;1503468507;mircea_popescu;and in other open oven roasts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/137acf17a8143c7e01d8a2ea60b57184/tumblr_nyh0qhzBdx1u9uov7o1_400.gif 1702542;1503471604;mircea_popescu;!!up barpub 1702543;1503471604;deedbot;barpub voiced for 30 minutes. 1702544;1503472078;BingoBoingo;!!Up punto 1702545;1503472078;deedbot;punto voiced for 30 minutes. 1702546;1503476800;mircea_popescu;!~later tell mike_c http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4d0p4/?raw=true 1702547;1503476800;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1702548;1503493523;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/729p2/?raw=true 1702549;1503493523;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1702550;1503493634;asciilifeform;!~later tell mike_c http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702508 << this is NORMAL behaviour for a trb node. and see below re 'stalls' : 1702551;1503493634;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 04:37 mike_c: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 650790574a mapTransactions prev not found be8d298e75 1702552;1503493634;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1702553;1503493652;asciilifeform;if trb node is not fetching blocks, but is not showing symptoms of 'black hole' 1702554;1503493657;asciilifeform;!#s blackhole 1702555;1503493658;a111;117 results for "blackhole", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=blackhole 1702556;1503493670;asciilifeform;then it is working normally, 1702557;1503493745;asciilifeform;i.e. accepts connections, processes mempool tx ( which, if said tx relies on a yet-unseen block, WILL be rejected, and will look exactly like the snippet mike_c posted, and in fact most of the debug log of a syncing node WILL consist of these ) 1702558;1503493780;asciilifeform;the reason why mike_c's node appears 'stalled' is that it stopped fetching blocks. trb's block sync behaviour is unspeakably moronic, it will attempt 'long sync' ONCE, on warmup 1702559;1503493796;asciilifeform;and then never again! will passively sit and wait 'for rain to fall into mouth' 1702560;1503493812;asciilifeform;this is the traditional bitcoin sync behaviour, and i have not altered it. 1702561;1503493841;asciilifeform;( if someone has idea for a useful alteration that doesn't requite 1000s loc, plox to write in. ) 1702562;1503493900;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702513 << this is why restarts seem to help -- goes and begs for blox again 1702563;1503493900;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 04:50 mike_c: oh nice. restart node, back off and running. 1702564;1503494000;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702512 << reads like the same ameritards as before, 'can haz reddit and paypal but kinder and gentler' 1702565;1503494000;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 04:46 ben_vulpes: hue, even pax dickinson wants UCI now: https://twitter.com/CounterFund/status/898366181102555136 1702566;1503494342;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://archive.is/948EL >> '...the government knew that the firms were on the edge of massive profitability and that they were in fact not insolvent. ...They did it to steal the profits from the company -- which means they stole the shareholder's property to fund other things - including Obamacare.' 1702567;1503494463;*;asciilifeform bbl 1702568;1503506523;BingoBoingo;lol, seems like someone doesn't know how the Altcoin problem works http://qntra.net/2017/07/a-quick-faq-about-the-not-bitcoin-fork-bitcoin-cash/#comment-108317 1702569;1503506961;BingoBoingo;Domestic Urban Relations http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=385 1702570;1503507352;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1702571;1503507369;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4228.0, vol: 15549.75212745 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4232.0, vol: 33839.27087237 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4265.676996, vol: 16456.99580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4268.949, vol: 5955.34498557 | Volume-weighted last average: 4241.91718231 1702572;1503507384;whaack;Seems like the miners have an additional incentive to go back to btc after driving up the bch difficulty, since in addition to the 4x bch difficulty the btc difficulty will have dipped (however slightly) due to their absence while mining bch. 1702573;1503507652;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << whaack This becomes untenable for whoever is dumping turkey dollars into propping up BCH, exactly because of the altcoin woes 1702574;1503507693;BingoBoingo;Even with BCH's "Emergency difficulty adjustment" (allegedly drops difficulty after X time without a block found) 1702575;1503508086;whaack;well you don't get stuck without a block, but you get 2016 very quick blocks (that the turkey dollars club must have btc to prop up) and then 12h or w/e without a block 1702576;1503508123;whaack;until whatever chest of btc they have is drained 1702577;1503508169;BingoBoingo;How do you know if they have BTC to prop up? Wouldn't be the first time the insolvent lied. 1702578;1503508193;whaack;I guess when the miners stop raising the difficulty 1702579;1503508219;mircea_popescu;whaack didja read the woes of altcoin thing ? 1702580;1503508221;BingoBoingo;Anyways the "Turkey dollars" refers to the dollars that could buy BTC 1702581;1503508237;whaack;mircea_popescu yes 1702582;1503508255;mircea_popescu;difficulty spikes on dying alts. it's what it does. 1702583;1503508348;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: BCH has a lulzy twist, a difficulty blow off valve for this contingency. Insures terminal yo-yo'ing 1702584;1503508367;mircea_popescu;it was fully gm'd back when i wrote that article. such dun help. 1702585;1503508463;BingoBoingo;Yeah, but it's lulzy to watch the mutilation victims rave about their "victories" as the chainsaw revs for another pass. 1702586;1503508470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alrighty then. 1702587;1503509210;whaack;the point I was trying to make was that there's an additional motive not mentioned in http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ for the miners who "swoop in" in to return to to the main chain - namely while they were gone on the main chain the difficulty on the main chain gets reduced in addition to the difficulty on the altcoin being increased. 1702588;1503509264;mircea_popescu;this is mentioned though. 1702589;1503509330;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin itself has a 400% baked in maximum increase each period, but what practical difference does it make ? Force the attacker to keep hashing for an extra 8 or so hours ? Big whoop, what's eight hours buy you ? 1702590;1503509331;mircea_popescu;Suppose you recalibrate difficulty each block instead. Big whoop, so attacker drives your difficulty up 100x and now you only have to mine six days for negative returns instead of two years. So what ? You're still underwater, and once you recover he can still do it again." 1702591;1503509332;mircea_popescu;footnote 2. 1702592;1503509508;mircea_popescu;aanyway. yes, it's a fine manner to repatriate actual wealth (ie, btc) from the fucktards who traded their wives/daughters for money they shouldn'tr have had in the first place. 1702593;1503509512;mircea_popescu;cunt wants to be free! 1702594;1503509721;mircea_popescu;whaack oh wait, you mean the diff on ~main~ chain gets reduced, because this is an early stage delusion and the fucktards numerous/heavy enough. yes, yes, you're exactly right! 1702595;1503509727;whaack;I just don't see how footnote 2 mentions the point of the btc difficulty decreasing while the miners are away from the main chain, even if it does allude to it by showing that holding the btc miner for an extended period of time doesn't help (b.c. of the fact that while the miners are away from the main chain their difficulty is decreasing) 1702596;1503509739;mircea_popescu;no, you're rightr, extra cherry on top. 1702597;1503509855;whaack;yeah, suppose they held half the miners for 4 weeks, they'd then have to double their payout for the next cycle to match the btc mining offer since the difficulty will have halved (not even including the increase in the altcoin chain) 1702598;1503509868;mircea_popescu;as a very gross estimation yes. 1702599;1503509886;whaack;mhm 1702600;1503509886;mircea_popescu;it pays to be a miner these days. 1702601;1503510641;trinque;hm, several minutes of lag from me to freenode atm. mitm dept didn't pay their aws bill? 1702602;1503510654;asciilifeform;minutes?!! 1702603;1503510660;trinque;I just counted 170 sec 1702604;1503510663;trinque;now, fine. 1702605;1503510696;*;asciilifeform picture kgb d00d putting down cut wire in tap box to take smoke break 1702606;1503510725;mircea_popescu;this happens, amusingly enough. 1702607;1503510836;asciilifeform;of course happens. hence the push for 'tap all lines all the time, petabyte of liquishit lives in db warehouse the size of nyc' etc -- cheaper than trying to make a corps of agents who won't smoke break while tapping 1702608;1503510935;asciilifeform;but then, naturally, several flights down the human material quality latter , agents take smoke breaks still, but not to smoke tobacco, but pot, and not while tapping wires, but while writing code, tc 1702609;1503510939;asciilifeform;etc 1702610;1503510944;asciilifeform;*ladder 1702611;1503510952;mircea_popescu;heh 1702612;1503510991;mircea_popescu;no you don't understand, they have an ad-hoc, informally specified, bug ridden reimplementation of microsoft access. XKEYSCORE!!!! 1702613;1503511000;asciilifeform;aayes 1702614;1503511026;*;mircea_popescu laughed ass off @usg for the first time when saw that these days equiv of manhattan project, "general + all the zeks that can be found" came to ~same as romanian computer club windows reimplementation. 1702615;1503511067;mircea_popescu;in fact the utter technological failure of that "warehouse the size of ny" was a major inspiration for teh republic. 1702616;1503511090;asciilifeform;for education's sake : what would 'success' of same, look like ? 1702617;1503511106;mircea_popescu;i dunno, symbolix 2 ? 1702618;1503511151;asciilifeform;ain't that rather like observing that the stasi never made a breakthrough in audio tape tech ? 1702619;1503511159;asciilifeform;dun think they were shooting for one. 1702620;1503511171;mircea_popescu;"holy shit they built ai capable of doing job of corps of competent agents" 1702621;1503511174;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1702622;1503511186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun give a shit what they';re shooting for. 1702623;1503511201;mircea_popescu;sour grape general, "oh we weren't aiming to conquer leningrad, we were just here for a stroll" 1702624;1503511202;mircea_popescu;yarite. 1702625;1503511226;asciilifeform;different sort of failure, is all. pyramid of cheops , whatever else it is, is not a broken reactor. it's a perfectly 'working' pyramid. 1702626;1503511231;mircea_popescu;what you're aiming for is not up to you. 1702627;1503511265;mircea_popescu;this is more of the same delusion of specialness, "oh, it is my option whether i join trilema and i can set my own goals". in your dreams, and there only. 1702628;1503511295;mircea_popescu;the goals are the goals, and retrospectively it becomes obvious if you found the goals or fumbled like idiot. 1702629;1503511321;mircea_popescu;and thjere's no "that's how i feel blue squares should look on the wall" defense. hence the popularity of the pleb misstatement of "art". 1702630;1503511516;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640325 << see also! 1702631;1503511516;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done". 1702632;1503511598;mircea_popescu;myeah. if you're born to be a hooker and the year is 1982, the vegas strip awaits. no ifs butts or taters. it dun matter if you dreamed of being a psychologist or a milliner as a little girl, either, that's what hobbies are for. 1702633;1503511639;mircea_popescu;and the reason we dun wanna tell you what to do is precisely that the identification of these things is only easy in retrospect, but hard in the moment, and there's no worse sadness than following the wrong goal for THIS kind of wrong reason -- that the wrong person told you the wrong things. 1702634;1503511658;mircea_popescu;but no more. certainly not an excuse to assfuck your own brain. 1702635;1503513392;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ufE7P/?raw=true 1702636;1503513867;asciilifeform;got it ! 1702637;1503515244;mircea_popescu;!!up ppsk 1702638;1503515244;deedbot;ppsk voiced for 30 minutes. 1702639;1503515430;ppsk;Hi 1702640;1503515437;mircea_popescu;ello 1702641;1503515477;ppsk;just wanted to say I've really enjoyed reading your blog, i can't remember how i first stumbled across it but its been one of the better collection of writings on the internet 1702642;1503515485;mircea_popescu;why ty 1702643;1503515632;ppsk;by the way, does "if you go on a bitcoin fork, irrespective of which scammer proposes it, you will lose your bitcoins" still apply? 1702644;1503515639;mircea_popescu;sure. 1702645;1503515699;ppsk;I was surprised you hadn't written something regarding the whole bitcoin cash debacle 1702646;1503515704;mircea_popescu;why ? 1702647;1503515735;ppsk;it seems to be a significant point of contention in the realm of bitcoin 1702648;1503515741;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1702649;1503515781;mircea_popescu;random scam designed to lighten the pockets of wediditreddit fucktards. 1702650;1503515952;ppsk;what do you think about monero? 1702651;1503515961;mircea_popescu;!#s monero 1702652;1503515961;a111;232 results for "monero", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=monero 1702653;1503515991;ppsk;thanks, thats handy 1702654;1503515997;mircea_popescu;enjoy 1702655;1503516453;ppsk;you spend a lot of time in latin america Mircea, or otherwise live there? 1702656;1503516460;mircea_popescu;i live in cr atm. 1702657;1503516473;ppsk;whats the best country in that region, in your experience 1702658;1503516479;mircea_popescu;prolly cr. 1702659;1503516488;mircea_popescu;"Best" you know. what do you do ? 1702660;1503516671;ppsk;Ive seriously considered the universal plan for wealth, I was thinking central or south america is a good place to start over 1702661;1503516928;mircea_popescu;ah, people swear by costa rica. abundant, cheap hookers and nice weather. 1702662;1503517042;ppsk;easy TEFL program too from what I hear, makes getting in and staying in a lot easier 1702663;1503517132;mircea_popescu;!!up ppsk 1702664;1503517132;deedbot;ppsk voiced for 30 minutes. 1702665;1503517139;mircea_popescu;do you have a pgp key ? 1702666;1503517160;ppsk;no, I'm rather new to all this 1702667;1503517170;mircea_popescu;anyway, the first time i was here, bout 15 years ago, i came in on a tourist visa (with the idea of staying for a coupla weeks), ended up staying three years. 1702668;1503517180;mircea_popescu;they fined me like 17 bucks on exit and that was the sum total of inconvenience. 1702669;1503517277;ppsk;lol, i doubt you would get away with that these days. But then, maybe? 1702670;1503517290;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. maybe. 1702671;1503517923;whaack;ppsk from my research in the matter apparently CR has a 90 day rule for most gringos...wherein you just have to step out of the country (for an hour) every 90 days. so you can do a Panama or Nicaragua day trip and get your passport stamped and come right back. Apparently you can get banned from returning to CR for 1-2 years now if you leave having stayed more than 90 days. 1702672;1503518041;mircea_popescu;if you're not dirt poor you can apply for residency for being rich. 1702673;1503518150;mircea_popescu;must prove 30k/year income for at least two years. so you know, buy a bond or w/e. 1702674;1503518174;mircea_popescu;the amusing part being that the cap for public employees compensation is 4.2mn colones /month (about 10k/year) 1702675;1503518741;asciilifeform;30k << that sounds brainmeltingly cheap... what's the catch ? 1702676;1503518772;mircea_popescu;no catch. and that's the CAP. 1702677;1503518786;asciilifeform;waiwat 1702678;1503518793;asciilifeform;gotta prove ~max~ income ?! 1702679;1503518814;mircea_popescu;no, i mean, people being paid by costa rican government may not earn in excess of 1702680;1503518824;asciilifeform;aah i was speaking of the prove-30k item 1702681;1503518825;mircea_popescu;!~calc 4200000 / 585 * 12 1702682;1503518826;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 4200000 / 585 * 12 = 86153.84615384616 1702683;1503518846;mircea_popescu;um. 1702684;1503518871;asciilifeform;wassat 1702685;1503518909;mircea_popescu;me failing math. their cap is 86k/yr not 8600 as i thought, nm 1702686;1503518928;asciilifeform;that's ~= usg 'g14' iirc. 1702687;1503518936;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1702688;1503518952;asciilifeform;notbad.jpg spendolade for a bananistan 1702689;1503518960;mircea_popescu;anyway. yeah, if you show them you own a 1mn bond paying 3% you're good. 1702690;1503519066;mircea_popescu;as to the catch -- well for eg, they got obamacare here. if you're a resident you must enroll. and so on. 1702691;1503519086;mircea_popescu;as per usual, following laws doesn't pay. 1702692;1503519119;mircea_popescu;ie, why the fuck would you pay 3x what they pay to be part of their shithole medicare, when 100% of thew time you'll use the private hospitals. 1702693;1503529348;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/nytimes-corporations-moral-voice-of-america-soviet-america-continues-thrashing/ << Qntra - "NYTIMES: Corporations Moral Voice Of America" – Soviet America Continues Thrashing 1702694;1503529405;BingoBoingo;So much old trilema to read and link as Soviet America collapses 1702695;1503529413;mircea_popescu;for srs. 1702696;1503530743;asciilifeform;in other non-noose, 10ns ecc sram is ~15 usd / megabit today. 1702697;1503530759;asciilifeform;( for n00bz : that's 100MHz ) 1702698;1503530823;asciilifeform;grr megabyte 1702699;1503530827;asciilifeform;15 per megabyte. 1702700;1503530975;asciilifeform;http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ISSI/IS61WV51216BLL-10TLI << e.g. (and they block archive.is, who'dvethunkit ) 1702701;1503532633;mod6;mircea_popescu: need some help when you're around. 1702702;1503532706;mircea_popescu;shoot mod6 1702703;1503532785;mod6;so it's been suggested that we change 'trusted-nodes' to 'advertised republican nodes', which is fine with me. but the file that these live in is called 'trusted-nodes.html'. Since this is now linked in trilema 'how-to-participate', should we do a redirect to a new file, or just change the filename, or just change its contents? 1702704;1503532874;mircea_popescu;i expect just change the contents 1702705;1503532885;mod6;fair enough. cheers! 1702706;1503532899;mircea_popescu;;) 1702707;1503535173;ben_vulpes;in other tmsr news: http://www.thoriumenergyworld.com/news/finally-worlds-first-tmsr-experiment-in-over-40-years-started 1702708;1503539441;mircea_popescu;lel 1702709;1503539555;mike_c;mircea_popescu: copy, thanks. 1702710;1503539575;mircea_popescu;mah pleasure 1702711;1503539742;mike_c;asciilifeform - so.. is there some way to kick it besides restarting? 1702712;1503539750;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1702713;1503540144;mike_c;I ordered this shit from amazon before I orderd the goats. Goats arrived, still waiting for amazon package. 1702714;1503540211;mircea_popescu;alf has been very on top of deliveries 1702715;1503542669;BingoBoingo;alf > amazon 1702716;1503543776;mircea_popescu;o btw asciilifeform any progress re the matchstick pattern game ? 1702717;1503543807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: notrly 1702718;1503543820;mircea_popescu;aite 1702719;1503543822;asciilifeform;maybe the other d00dz , solved... 1702720;1503543837;mod6;not me. 1702721;1503543839;asciilifeform;mod6..? ben_vulpes? mike_c ? 1702722;1503543849;*;mircea_popescu grins 1702723;1503543940;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-drops-3-8-percent-to-second-place-versus-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Drops ~3.8 Percent To Second Place Versus All Time High 1702724;1503545943;mike_c;log search turns up nothing useful but a dead dpaste. matchstick game? 1702725;1503545982;mircea_popescu;you recall, you had to guess how the arrangement relates to a number 1702726;1503546003;mircea_popescu;hanbot was teh witness 1702727;1503546018;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702601 << turns out the soviet bureau of intertubes was laying me a fatter pipe. 1702728;1503546018;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 17:50 trinque: hm, several minutes of lag from me to freenode atm. mitm dept didn't pay their aws bill? 1702729;1503546908;mircea_popescu;trinque practically the same thing!! 1702730;1503547940;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> hanbot was teh witness << aha. i concurr it is a system, she was able to decipher it. 1702731;1503550854;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/23/the-fringe-edmonton-2017/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Fringe Edmonton 2017 1702732;1503553374;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702721 << pffnaw 1702733;1503553374;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 03:03 asciilifeform: mod6..? ben_vulpes? mike_c ? 1702734;1503553430;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: didja get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702491 ? 1702735;1503553430;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 03:20 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xwwuJ/?raw=true 1702736;1503553461;mircea_popescu;i thought i sent you an answer. 1702737;1503553501;mircea_popescu;hm. 1 sec. 1702738;1503553696;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gKFli/?raw=true 1702739;1503553799;ben_vulpes;ty! 1702740;1503553805;mircea_popescu;nono, ty 1702741;1503555542;pete_dushenski;https://i.redd.it/gtb7siwe0mhz.jpg 1702742;1503556239;ben_vulpes;wowee, somehow uber racked up 9kusd in losses on each subprime vehicle lease 1702743;1503556249;mircea_popescu;"somehow" 1702744;1503556250;ben_vulpes;("in other altcoins...") 1702745;1503556303;ben_vulpes;"nobody could have predicted that the auto companies cannibalizing sales through financing and aggressive lease practices would blow depreciation rates sky high" 1702746;1503556505;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: izzat ljr? 1702747;1503556758;pete_dushenski; ben_vulpes aha 1702748;1503557056;ben_vulpes;his hands are so teeeeny 1702749;1503577106;shinohai;!!up runsegshet 1702750;1503577106;deedbot;runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes. 1702751;1503577141;runsegshet;Thanks for the +up 1702752;1503577151;shinohai;np 1702753;1503577171;runsegshet;Was hoping segshet never got activated, is now an altcoin? 1702754;1503577194;runsegshet;am I going to get robbed 1702755;1503577626;shinohai;It is simple enough to *not* use it at all. 1702756;1503577742;runsegshet;But it's still the real Bitcoin? 1702757;1503577762;runsegshet;no hard fork 1702758;1503577792;diana_coman; runsegshet getting robbed is a personal thing so nobody can answer that for you other than yourself; as to hoping and the more general case: ditch hope, take action; 1702759;1503578522;runsegshet;miners going to spend to themselves and steal segshit coins? 1702760;1503578530;runsegshet;this is what I'm worried about 1702761;1503578565;runsegshet;I want to take action to safe keep my bitcoin, but dont know technicals to not be segwit tokens 1702762;1503578823;diana_coman;runsegshet, so learn; run your own node keeping your bitcoin; start perhaps from http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html 1702763;1503578917;diana_coman;!!up runsegshet 1702764;1503578918;deedbot;runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes. 1702765;1503578923;diana_coman;!!key runsegshet 1702766;1503578923;deedbot;Not registered. 1702767;1503578935;diana_coman;even better: start by registering a key in any case 1702768;1503578943;diana_coman;runsegshet, ^ 1702769;1503579482;diana_coman;runsegshet, moreover, I suppose as an easy/quick solution you could even simply transfer your bitcoin into ECu in Eulora - I guess it is the lowest effort option to keep and even use btc at this moment; e.g. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Ecu 1702770;1503579605;runsegshet;I'd be trading digital gold for what appears to be electronic copper in a video game 1702771;1503579619;runsegshet;? 1702772;1503579676;diana_coman;how do you figure one is digital and the other one electronic? one is gold, the other one copper? 1702773;1503579703;diana_coman;but yes: you need to read and figure out whether it works for you or not, no escape there 1702774;1503579732;runsegshet;Thanks for the insight 1702775;1503579738;diana_coman;read the s.mg category on trilema re eulora 1702776;1503579816;runsegshet;dont want to sell for usdt or fiat or altshits like litecoin until this blows over 1702777;1503579826;runsegshet;I can't just send to paper wallets and be safe? 1702778;1503579835;runsegshet;like the good old days 1702779;1503580326;runsegshet;Also is core hard forked from TRB? How would one be able to mine TRB instead? 1702780;1503580332;runsegshet;thanks for all the insight 1702781;1503580367;runsegshet;sorry for not having much technical knowledge 1702782;1503581489;diana_coman;!!up runsegshet 1702783;1503581489;deedbot;runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes. 1702784;1503581633;diana_coman;runsegshet, read and ask more specific questions if any; in other words: learn; there's no way anybody else will simply do the work *for* you - if they do it, it will be for them and so you can at most...hope; poor path that one, even if very crowded indeed; if you want to hold bitcoins, you need to figure out the "technical" details too, no other way around it 1702785;1503581873;diana_coman;and while you are still around: register a key here because otherwise nobody will spend more time with some random nick that can't be in any way assigned to any sort of "you" at all 1702786;1503581934;diana_coman;well, some might of course, but it's again a matter of...hoping they will, sort of thign 1702787;1503584591;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702759 << eventually this will necessarily happen, yes. "segwit" transactions are stored on the bitcoin network as "anyone can spend", so eventually miners will unroll the segwit chain. how soon is not easily predicted (which is why the idea is stupid/usg-like, introduces impredictability in the currency) 1702788;1503584591;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 12:42 runsegshet: miners going to spend to themselves and steal segshit coins? 1702789;1503584654;mircea_popescu;just don't accept "segwit" payments, and don't use their scamware, you'll be fine. 1702790;1503584659;mircea_popescu;!!up runsegshet 1702791;1503584659;deedbot;runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes. 1702792;1503584727;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702761 << run trb. follow mod6 's instructions, it's a relatively painless half hour install on most any sane linux. 1702793;1503584727;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 12:42 runsegshet: I want to take action to safe keep my bitcoin, but dont know technicals to not be segwit tokens 1702794;1503584731;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html << 1702795;1503584780;mircea_popescu;mod6 so fucking epic you got that ready so we can just link noobs. good work man. 1702796;1503584868;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 << the only advantage eulora has is the low friction, there's no cost to transfer ecu from one player to another. it costs about 5 bux to move btc on the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough, this matters. 1702797;1503584868;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 13:00 runsegshet: I'd be trading digital gold for what appears to be electronic copper in a video game 1702798;1503585058;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702777 << yes, that'll work fine. 1702799;1503585058;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 13:03 runsegshet: I can't just send to paper wallets and be safe? 1702800;1503585123;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702779 << core hasn't yet hardforked from trb. their "segwit" thing is a "soft fork". basically they intend to make everyone's transactions be blockchain messages instead of actual transactions. 1702801;1503585123;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 13:12 runsegshet: Also is core hard forked from TRB? How would one be able to mine TRB instead? 1702802;1503585163;mircea_popescu;ie right now, if i want to spend from 1address to 1youraddress i end up composing a transaction that gets mined (emplaced in a block). it's about 250 bytes worth of 1address signs transaction x where it got coin, and hash of 1youyraddress etc. 1702803;1503585195;mircea_popescu;their idea is to INSTEAD just store 16 bytes worth of that transaction's HASH. 1702804;1503585235;mircea_popescu;this works in the sense that whoever has the hash AND the transaction that was hashed can prove that indeed that transaction was hashed (it's how http://deedbot.org/ works to notarize documents for instance). 1702805;1503585275;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, hashes are by definition unreversable, and they no longer propagate transactions. so i wouldn't know your transaction from adams' or "your" pile of nonsense from another's. 1702806;1503585349;mircea_popescu;basically a very drastic reduction in quality of life, fit for a socialist empire. something on the level of "hey mr, you have this contract to have two cartons of milk delivered each mon, wed, fri and sun. how about we deliver JUST THE CARDBOARD, empty ? it will be 5% cheaper and you can have them every day instead!" 1702807;1503585354;mircea_popescu;typical soviet americana. 1702808;1503585400;diana_coman;no, no, just the image of the cardboard; now on your mobile/ipad too! 1702809;1503585418;mircea_popescu;lol right. they show it to you on THEIR facebook page, please follow them 1702810;1503585464;*;asciilifeform not wholly off subject, was looking into what using sram for main memory would cost. turns out -- surprise? -- approx same as what dram cost in mid-90s 1702811;1503585495;mircea_popescu;marches on. 1702812;1503585704;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702786 << i entertain noobs/unknowns mostly because/when my answers to their questions are actually worth reading. 1702813;1503585704;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 13:38 diana_coman: well, some might of course, but it's again a matter of...hoping they will, sort of thign 1702814;1503585714;runsegshet;thanks for the replies, will be interesting to see what happens next 1702815;1503585717;asciilifeform;( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. ) 1702816;1503585736;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 so fucking epic you got that ready so we can just link noobs. good work man. << thanks! no problem. 1702817;1503585741;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of "smart shit we don't bother to mention because everyone knows" sorta thing. this is also how/why the inept noobs that get silenced do : not worth talkingt to. 1702818;1503585774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would definitely buy some sram machines. 1702819;1503585792;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702796 <- it's actually even download& run sort of thing and no online/keeping up to date requirement; one has to keep their key ofc, but that's about as low bar as it gets I think 1702820;1503585792;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 14:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 << the only advantage eulora has is the low friction, there's no cost to transfer ecu from one player to another. it costs about 5 bux to move btc on the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough, this matters. 1702821;1503585799;mircea_popescu;take the item this line is written on -- it doesn't fucking need dram. in fact, it could be a 386. 1702822;1503585814;mircea_popescu;right diana_coman 1702823;1503585818;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have a draft design for the sticks already. 1702824;1503585833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aren't you doing too many things at once ? 1702825;1503585837;asciilifeform;( believe or not -- nobody makes sram simms/dimms ) 1702826;1503585856;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i ain't putting it into production yet. just sits there on hdd, lol. 1702827;1503585947;mircea_popescu;:p 1702828;1503585993;asciilifeform;i still can't quite figure out why sram costs what it does 1702829;1503586003;mircea_popescu;low runs prolly 1702830;1503586007;asciilifeform;gotta be 1702831;1503586069;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm not sure what's easier, eulora install or trb install. they're very similar processes for some reason (har har) 1702832;1503586666;mircea_popescu;diana_coman yeah there's also no "catching up with the chain", one can turn eulora off for five years, turn it back on (maybe have to get a new client, till we freeze that down) and be ready to go. but then again the cost of having to check the blockchain isn't THAT terrible, we bring up back new nodes all the time. 1702833;1503586766;mircea_popescu;!!up runsegshet 1702834;1503586767;deedbot;runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes. 1702835;1503586772;runsegshet;TRB how to isn't truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified to run a TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC to remain mine 1702836;1503586781;runsegshet;thanks for up, and sorry for connect spam 1702837;1503586788;mircea_popescu;paper wallets will work. 1702838;1503586799;mircea_popescu;understand -- there is NO safe way to operate bitcoin in windows. 1702839;1503586805;mircea_popescu;windows is fundamentally unsecure-able. 1702840;1503586907;mircea_popescu;linux isn't much better, practically. but there's a difference in kind, you could in principle have a secure linux machine, even if most people don't bother to. whereas the secure windows machine is a myth, like the happy feminist. 1702841;1503587001;runsegshet;What about a mac? lol 1702842;1503587011;mircea_popescu;possibly, if you put linux on it. 1702843;1503587059;*;mircea_popescu has very little experience with macs. get phf or another ewxpert's opinion 1702844;1503587110;runsegshet;What about hardware wallets like Ledger nano? Are those secure enough to hold TRB safe? 1702845;1503587138;mircea_popescu;the one's we've seen weren't. 1702846;1503587141;mircea_popescu;!#s trezor 1702847;1503587142;a111;173 results for "trezor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trezor 1702848;1503587152;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone cut apart one such ledger nano, so dunno 1702849;1503587173;mircea_popescu;in principle a hardware wallet should be secure, because a sheet of paper (also a kind of hardware wallet) is. 1702850;1503587192;mircea_popescu;but in general, people make them shitty because they're inept and in a hurry. 1702851;1503587407;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702832 <- aha; trouble is that people are scared of the "cost" and like any scare it is way bigger than the actual real thing; as previously mentioned I really don't see this "I can hold bitcoin without knowing /getting dirty with it" thing 1702852;1503587407;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 14:57 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah there's also no "catching up with the chain", one can turn eulora off for five years, turn it back on (maybe have to get a new client, till we freeze that down) and be ready to go. but then again the cost of having to check the blockchain isn't THAT terrible, we bring up back new nodes all the time. 1702853;1503587429;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1702854;1503587429;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1702855;1503587432;runsegshet;Ledger uses a chrome extension for the wallet... which to me seems really sketchy 1702856;1503587479;mircea_popescu;doesn't sound too good. 1702857;1503587546;PeterL;So I was thinking about how asciilifeform suggested generating new random numbers until you hit a prime instead of incrementing a single random number to find the next prime, and my initial guess would that generating new numbers would take a lot longer 1702858;1503587557;PeterL;so I thought I would run a little experiment to check 1702859;1503587575;PeterL;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kY6bd/?raw=true << turns out it is about the same amount of time 1702860;1503587579;mircea_popescu;aha. 1702861;1503587629;mircea_popescu;that's his point, if you have the rng it's much better quality secret primes for the same effort. 1702862;1503587639;asciilifeform;PeterL: the 'cryptography komyoonity' derps didn't do it 'because slow', but because entropy-poor machine 1702863;1503587658;mircea_popescu;"didn't not do it" 1702864;1503587668;PeterL;well, on entropy poor machine it would be slow, wouldn't it? 1702865;1503587687;mircea_popescu;PeterL trying to drive a concrete slab also slow. 1702866;1503587695;mircea_popescu;entropy poor machine is definitionally not supposed to rsa 1702867;1503587943;asciilifeform;upstack : hey mircea_popescu , is it time to add a 'we dun take shitcoins' warning to snsa shop page ? 1702868;1503587948;mircea_popescu;nah 1702869;1503587961;mircea_popescu;just ignore the segwitolade, let them figure it out. 1702870;1503587979;mircea_popescu;and let power rangers add the warnings, "our altcoin isn't universally accepted, always make sure and ask" 1702871;1503588012;mircea_popescu;people who write checks instead of paying cash don't automatically expect their mom note be accepted by merchants. why would these ? 1702872;1503588024;asciilifeform;might be time to automate the detection of this item tho 1702873;1503588028;asciilifeform;stock trb dun help much 1702874;1503588046;asciilifeform;( gotta walk the tx upstream by hand and look for anyonecanspendolade ) 1702875;1503588062;mircea_popescu;um. how would trb see the tx anyway ? it dun interpret segwit 1702876;1503588082;asciilifeform;recall, 'anyonecanspend', so it got spent, possibly a block or however many in the past 1702877;1503588096;mircea_popescu;yeah but if it meanwhile got anchored in a proper tx it's good. 1702878;1503588112;mircea_popescu;i'm not entirely sure how it would be, but anyway. 1702879;1503588122;asciilifeform;'anyonecanspend' offers easy fracturing points for 'unwinders' tho 1702880;1503588136;mircea_popescu;you can't "unwind" upstream of a blockchain tx. 1702881;1503588183;asciilifeform;speaking here of the ordinary way ( orphaning the chain ) 1702882;1503588192;mircea_popescu;let's model this. 1702883;1503588196;asciilifeform;aite 1702884;1503588208;*;asciilifeform tunes in 1702885;1503588215;mircea_popescu;at time t in tx 1 address 1a gets coin chunk. 1702886;1503588246;mircea_popescu;at time t1, via tx2, address 1a spends coin chunk on segwit chain. this appears to you and me as "1a sent coins to black hole" 1702887;1503588265;mircea_popescu;at time t2, SOMEHOW (im not even sure this is possible), someone in black hole sends coin chunk back to address 1b. 1702888;1503588274;mircea_popescu;tx3, through which this is done, is mined. 1702889;1503588286;asciilifeform;this is not accurate picture of shitness tho 1702890;1503588287;mircea_popescu;at time t3 you receive a payment from 1b, of that self-same coin chunk. 1702891;1503588294;asciilifeform;it ain't 'to black hole', it's an 'anyonecanspend' 1702892;1503588304;asciilifeform;( the spendability condition is enforced by the miner cabal, promisetronically ) 1702893;1503588305;mircea_popescu;now at this time t3, you judge the quality of the input as always : block delta between t2 and t3. 1702894;1503588328;mircea_popescu;if it's say 24 blocks, it's POSSIBLE someone undoes your tx, but not likely (needs 24 block lead to unroll the chain) 1702895;1503588335;mircea_popescu;and at 124 blocks, even less likely. and so on. 1702896;1503588337;mircea_popescu;make sense ? 1702897;1503588355;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i deliberately didn't want to make any assumptions. "black box" if you prefer. 1702898;1503588446;*;mircea_popescu is not entirely convinced the ~implementation~ of segwit as executed by the power rangers will even work. because that's what they do, it woul;dn't be the first time. or the second. it'd be like the 5th time, which is how many soft forks they did. 1702899;1503588479;asciilifeform;there's a few interesting divergences from the protocol as commonly understood, in the actual clients ( esp prb ). for instance the capacity to backtrack orphan chains longer than a dozen or so is ~untested for eons 1702900;1503588485;mircea_popescu;in fact, the difference between power rangers and "ethereum developers" is entirely nil, which is why the "ethereum community" is flattering itself into relevancy : they compare themselves to the power rangers, and come to the conclusion that "similar kind, dispute to be resolved by headcount". 1702901;1503588498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1702902;1503588560;mircea_popescu;anyway. goat finds it very easy to not think about the gun in the drawer in the house it's not allowed to go into. and so comes to conclusion man is ~goat. 1702903;1503588588;mircea_popescu;and that time man walked into goat herd, picked fattest kid, slit his throat and splashed everyone in blood was you know "never proven to have happened" hurr durr. 1702904;1503588676;asciilifeform;goat will go to the soup pot still thinking of man as simply a vertical goat, 'and if the cards had fallen differently, it'd be him under the knife' etc 1702905;1503588684;mircea_popescu;oya. 1702906;1503588701;mircea_popescu;this has been so amply proven by the crypto exercise as to compete with darwinism. 1702907;1503588722;asciilifeform;not much of a surprise tho, imho 1702908;1503588741;mircea_popescu;(of course, like darwinism, there's a large mass of religious "critics" of the notion) 1702909;1503588749;mircea_popescu;retrospectively notrly, no. 1702910;1503588973;*;asciilifeform revved up a bigbloxforq node a la pete_dushenski , 'i'ma cash in my shitcoin', discovers that various goxes (e.g. 'shapeshift') dun really wanna buy so much 1702911;1503588988;asciilifeform;e.g. you get eggog if you offer to sell more than a handful 1702912;1503589000;mircea_popescu;o.O 1702913;1503589023;asciilifeform;and that's just the gox where you can get said info in advance of actually sinking in any shitcoinz 1702914;1503589026;asciilifeform;i have nfi re others 1702915;1503589074;asciilifeform;( i certainly have no interest in 'open an account...' crapola ) 1702916;1503589118;mircea_popescu;why, they've no disposable emails where you live ? 1702917;1503589173;asciilifeform;last time i did this, it was moar sweat than worth ( they ban obvious lamermails ) 1702918;1503589206;mircea_popescu;heh. kinda like how the usg maintains the pretense of "value" of the usd too huh 1702919;1503589212;asciilifeform;how else. 1702920;1503589215;mircea_popescu;"make it more sweat than worth to rape it". 1702921;1503589235;mircea_popescu;it's altcoins all the way down to fed vault! 1702922;1503589332;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZckEb/?raw=true 1702923;1503589420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can-do, but gotta testfire 1st. 1702924;1503589431;mircea_popescu;aite. 1702925;1503589609;mircea_popescu;wtf is "krw" at that. 1702926;1503589717;mircea_popescu;nutty bullshit, https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/#markets is led (and mostly composed of) some unheard of "Exchange" trading bitcoin crash for "krw", and pretending like this exchange of items not worth money is worth dollars somehow. 104 mn of it, ROUNDLY like that. 1702927;1503589729;mircea_popescu;so fucking totally not a case of "here's my website, i write numbers into it" you wouldn't believe. 1702928;1503589764;mircea_popescu;coinmarketcap site lists "bch/krw" pairs, but if you use its own god damned "search currencies" item, it doesn't know what krw even is. 1702929;1503589804;mircea_popescu;"hurr durr, let's pretend like usg-korea is a place and let's pretend it's gonna innovate and bla bla" 1702930;1503589806;mircea_popescu;pssssahw. 1702931;1503591320;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz from the swamp : "The divided United States of America will unite today, sharing a cosmic event predicted by the methods and tools of science." apud Neil deGRasse TysonVerified account. 1702932;1503591356;mircea_popescu;you know, random fake media soap bubble fucking-loves-"leadership" in the pantsuit sense of teh term 1702933;1503591373;lobbes;All Praise Science (TM) 1702934;1503591405;mircea_popescu;(that's been the big pantsuit talking point, pushed for the past week or so by teh faux news orgs : that trump "fails to lead" and that therefore and thereby all sorts of others are "filling in the void". very much in the vein of alf's prediction) 1702935;1503591406;asciilifeform;solar eclipses, meritwashing mediocrities with lookup tables ever since aztec priests 'helped' quetzalcoatl spit back out the sun he swallowed 1702936;1503591424;mircea_popescu;aha! isn't it funny who's talking, and what they're talking about ? 1702937;1503591442;asciilifeform;which muppet was this 1702938;1503591452;asciilifeform;i can't recall him from before 1702939;1503591452;mircea_popescu; deGRasse TysonVerified account 1702940;1503591464;mircea_popescu;he's an obama-nigglet. 1702941;1503591480;asciilifeform;oh lol he's the current carlsagan . 1702942;1503591494;mircea_popescu;in the sense toyota is the current bmw, sure. 1702943;1503591494;asciilifeform;( the office, as such, dates to clinton reign ) 1702944;1503591516;mircea_popescu;you mean the pantsuit science czar ? 1702945;1503591519;asciilifeform;aha 1702946;1503591530;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702926 <<< Likely a VERified exchange operated by Jihan Wu et all 1702947;1503591530;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 15:48 mircea_popescu: nutty bullshit, https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/#markets is led (and mostly composed of) some unheard of "Exchange" trading bitcoin crash for "krw", and pretending like this exchange of items not worth money is worth dollars somehow. 104 mn of it, ROUNDLY like that. 1702948;1503591533;asciilifeform;'science' in the 'stage magic for kidz' sense 1702949;1503591534;mircea_popescu;i think it dates to the Surgeon General Warning's Verifiedaccount. 1702950;1503591561;mircea_popescu;shinohai aha. that was teh subtext. 1702951;1503591632;*;mircea_popescu is totally going to stick to this format. maybe deGRasse account TysonVerified and so on. 1702952;1503591640;mircea_popescu;too much BingoBoingo -esque epic lulz to pass on. 1702953;1503591879;shinohai;"if BCH earns highest proof of work and highest market cap over time, it will become Bitcoin in my opinion. Same with Bitcoin Core. Same with Btc1." https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-August/000286.html 1702954;1503591889;shinohai;Erik Voorhees is such a tool 1702955;1503591896;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1702956;1503591933;mircea_popescu;he's a typical schmuck, a la jwz. wants a comfortable existence and really, all these complicated shits scare him shitless. 1702957;1503591974;mircea_popescu;see, asciilifeform, if one wants examples re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699949 then half the people present at c1 are the finest of examples! 1702958;1503591974;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty. 1702959;1503592015;mircea_popescu;take voorhees! in 2013 he was great -- not entirely retarded kid, some business experience (earned in daddy's shop, but then again, so did trump). way better than 99% of all those involved. 1702960;1503592032;mircea_popescu;come 2017 ... he's barely qualified to shrem. not even on the fucking list, art all. what 99% ? 1702961;1503592046;mircea_popescu;take the xapo schmuck, what's his face, the argentine "entrepreneur". 1702962;1503592075;mircea_popescu;in 2013 he seemed credible. in 2017 we meanwhile found out what a fucking joke argentina is ; and this mutation exactly describes him, too. 1702963;1503592086;shinohai;Oh dear Lord ... the one that puts Post-It notes outside the "Bitcoin Embassy" or what the fuck ever 1702964;1503592100;mircea_popescu;take who the fuck will you take, thickasthieves ? way ahead of the pack back when the pack consisted of "neobee will save bitcoin from ???". 1702965;1503592158;mircea_popescu;and so it goes, the table stakes keep ratcheting up. "hey, i'm the coolest kid in my village!" is great for while we're still talking the village. 1702966;1503592212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sadly i wasn't alive for c1, missed out on the freakshow 1702967;1503592223;mircea_popescu;and the list keeps going and going. gavin or mike hearn were (their moral turpitude aside), ~technically~ qualified to participate back in 2012. 1702968;1503592246;mircea_popescu;back then the standard for technical qualification was "hey, let's put 10 bytes of txid in one point of the log and 14 in another. FUCK YOU!" 1702969;1503592270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we had conversations about quantum computers. 1702970;1503592320;asciilifeform;in those days, asciilifeform naively -- and silently -- imagined that as soon as btc began to be worth palpable moneys, the 'big kidz' quietly hired d00dz with long, long beards, to write ada node 1702971;1503592329;asciilifeform;( 2012 or so ) 1702972;1503592343;mircea_popescu;i thought ada was recent-er discovery. 1702973;1503592362;asciilifeform;1st ada release was... 1982 1702974;1503592364;asciilifeform;iirc. 1702975;1503592373;mircea_popescu;i mean as far as you're concerned. 1702976;1503592406;mircea_popescu;actually i suppose the ur-example of "washed out of bitcoin" would be http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ 1702977;1503592421;asciilifeform;mno, i knew about it as a boy. but had no clue that time would come to write it with own hands 1702978;1503592428;mircea_popescu;back in the days of mpoe-pr, he was the single "competitor" so to speak, ie, person at the same level. "deathandtaxes". 1702979;1503592429;asciilifeform;'if not you, then who!' (tm)(r)(su) 1702980;1503592439;mircea_popescu;hehe 1702981;1503592897;mircea_popescu;"You may have heard someone say something like" fucking fucktard. 1702982;1503592903;mircea_popescu;"someone". 1702983;1503592927;*;mircea_popescu is now getting pissed off at conflicts long resolved through the beheading of the conflicterers. what a life. 1702984;1503593032;mircea_popescu;meanwhile irl, bitcoin tx costs 5 bux at the very most. wire costs 50 bux at a minimum, plus whatever bank tacks on to that. 1702985;1503593075;mircea_popescu;clearly the cheap alternative has to change!! god forbid people see the value of bitcoin to the point they're willing to pay more to use it than to use SWIFT!!! WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE BANKS!!!1 1702986;1503593164;asciilifeform;50bux sharp here 1702987;1503593171;asciilifeform;( interestingly, the price hasn't changed in ~decade ) 1702988;1503593272;mircea_popescu;nor the average wire. 1702989;1503593315;asciilifeform;speaking of konsoomer wire strictly 1702990;1503593316;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'm rather looking forward to the 10k usd/btc doing 1 bitcent txfees and everyone from goldman sachs to goldman sachs salivating on the side. 1702991;1503593319;asciilifeform;( i dun have an industrial ) 1702992;1503593342;mircea_popescu;"HOW CAN SOMEONE CHARGE FOR FINANCIAL TRANSFERS AND NOT CUT US IN!!11" 1702993;1503593346;mircea_popescu;that'll be a joyous moment. 1702994;1503593462;BingoBoingo;^ win 1702995;1503593543;asciilifeform;btw i suspect that even nao, the txfee is a small piece of the actual cost of moving btc 1702996;1503593561;asciilifeform;( nodes, and hands with which to maintain'em, are 'only free if you already got'em' ) 1702997;1503593601;mircea_popescu;quite. 1702998;1503593612;mircea_popescu;as our earlier friend well pointed out. 1702999;1503593619;asciilifeform;sorta how the cost of moving gold bars does not consist solely of the req'd joules to physically move'em through atmosphere 1703000;1503593630;asciilifeform;but also of cost of the cannons, cannoneers, shells... 1703001;1503593652;asciilifeform;barbed wire, dogs, ilsa the she-wolf, etc. 1703002;1503593659;mircea_popescu;aha. part of why the whole "bitcoin tx fee" argument was so thoroughly derrided. 1703003;1503593692;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702835 << understand that the concept of 'mine' 100% depends on your ability to bolt 'yours' down, which may require you to expand your capacity to bolt! See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22it+works+if+you+work+it%22 1703004;1503593692;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 14:59 runsegshet: TRB how to isn't truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified to run a TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC to remain mine 1703005;1503593739;asciilifeform;lobbes: folx are TO THIS DAY finding jars of au left behind by romans who thought that they 'owned it' 1703006;1503593757;mircea_popescu;they owned it quite well, if it's only re-owned now. 1703007;1503593763;BingoBoingo;Cocksuckers at WAPO turn to attacking a REAL American icon https://archive.is/TePbJ 1703008;1503593796;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~equally often they find cigar box of au, weimar banknotes, etc drywalled in by ww2 j00z 1703009;1503593799;asciilifeform;also 'owned'. 1703010;1503593805;mircea_popescu;aha 1703011;1503593946;asciilifeform;oh hey i nearly missed http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata/#comment-122698 lulzthread somehow 1703012;1503594058;mircea_popescu;aha. 1703013;1503594067;mircea_popescu;"1MB doesn't can't even keep up with existing non-retail payment networks. 1703014;1503594067;mircea_popescu;Going back to that coffee meme, the implied message is that 1MB is fine unless for everything else. You know substantial stuff like paying your mortgage, business deals, major capital expenditures, or paying a supplier for inventory. This just isn't the case though. Do you know anyone who pays for coffee with a bank wire? The FedWire service (run by US federal reserve) processes ~150 million bank wires annually. " 1703015;1503594087;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1000000 / 255 * 6 * 24 * 365 1703016;1503594089;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1000000 / 255 * 6 * 24 * 365 = 2.0611764705882353E8 1703017;1503594111;mircea_popescu;o noes, bitcoion can support 200mn anually! same as fed! hurr durr not ernough space! 1703018;1503594131;mircea_popescu;and no, "take the money freom these 3 accts and send to these 8 acfcounts" IS NOT ONE TRANSACTION. it's like 11. 1703019;1503594235;mircea_popescu;such pile of ancient lulz we're sitting on, srsly now./ 1703020;1503594279;asciilifeform;!~calc 150e6 / (6*24*365) 1703021;1503594282;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 150e6 / (6*24*365) = 2853.881278538813 1703022;1503594826;mircea_popescu;and, of course, "that coffee meme". not http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ but you know, "someone". because if the muppet herders don't mention mp to the muppets therefore mp won't be 1. muppet famous and 2. won't have the herders' ass. 1703023;1503594838;mircea_popescu;except 1 dun work in practice, let alone 2. but hey. 1703024;1503594849;asciilifeform;in other quasi-noose, here's a simple electric rng suitable for very low bit-rate application ( e.g. walletrons for sig nonce ) : small mercury tilt switch, gates clock signal to counter, and a flipflop. when the latter toggles, the counter value is forwarded to a register; every 2 shots end up vonneumanned and xor'd into the output reg. 1703025;1503594866;asciilifeform;you work the device by simply passing it from hand to hand. 1703026;1503594874;mircea_popescu;this is the mic'd hooker all over again 1703027;1503594878;asciilifeform;not quite 1703028;1503594882;asciilifeform;it isn't sensitive to noise 1703029;1503594888;asciilifeform;and uses no adc 1703030;1503594894;asciilifeform;( all adc introduce artifacts. ) 1703031;1503594896;mircea_popescu;but temperaturew and whatever 1703032;1503594899;asciilifeform;nope. 1703033;1503594902;asciilifeform;immaterial. 1703034;1503594907;asciilifeform;works at any temp where hg is liquid. 1703035;1503594919;asciilifeform;( and with no other change ) 1703036;1503594923;mircea_popescu;you want what, like a wen-ba ball basically ? 1703037;1503594926;asciilifeform;aha. 1703038;1503594945;asciilifeform;this approach actually extracts the very low bit rate of entropy available from the muscle of the meat. 1703039;1503594952;mircea_popescu;i guess not quite. stil, instrumented hooker. 1703040;1503594963;asciilifeform;can instrument dog, or rat, for all you like. 1703041;1503594978;mircea_popescu;the reason people don't fuck dog/rat is principally that woman cheaper. 1703042;1503595010;asciilifeform;btw you can make this right now by attaching 2 hg tilt switches to a fg , 1 on each end ( b/w the middle and the +v pins ) 1703043;1503595033;asciilifeform;gnd rather 1703044;1503595034;asciilifeform;middle and gnd. 1703045;1503595099;asciilifeform;the only thing this method has to recommend it, is that it is utterly insensitive to environmental conditions and to variations in components. 1703046;1503595120;asciilifeform;( in this respect, it is slightly ahead of radiodecay even. ) 1703047;1503595167;mircea_popescu;kv-1 rng 1703048;1503595180;asciilifeform;lol 1703049;1503595215;asciilifeform;'Прощай КВ братишка наш!!!' (tm)(r) 1703050;1503595294;asciilifeform;( oblig. variants, http://a-pesni.org/ww2/folk/gibeltankista.php . ) 1703051;1503595320;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en Прощай КВ братишка наш!! 1703052;1503595321;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Farewell HF our brother! 1703053;1503595330;mircea_popescu;hf ?! 1703054;1503595333;asciilifeform;lol! 1703055;1503595341;asciilifeform;i think it assumed 'shortwave' 1703056;1503595345;mircea_popescu;oh 1703057;1503595360;asciilifeform;короткие волны aha 1703058;1503595407;mircea_popescu;this is a pretty good companion for the eggog list. 1703059;1503595408;asciilifeform;hey if robotranslators worked, anglotards would be sorta like deaf folx, could get by 1703060;1503595413;mircea_popescu;hf our brother. 1703061;1503595432;asciilifeform;actually there's a whole subculture of '90s spectacular translator fails 1703062;1503595456;mircea_popescu;there's not so much difference between google "ai" as seen here ; and lookup table mixups as seen with the original eggog. 1703063;1503595462;mircea_popescu;in fact... NO DIFFERENCE. 1703064;1503595484;asciilifeform;e.g. film 'diehard' ended up translated by one 'genius' to title 'умри тяжело' 1703065;1503595498;asciilifeform;i.e. 'die a difficult death' 1703066;1503595511;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en умри тяжело 1703067;1503595512;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Die hard 1703068;1503595514;mircea_popescu;see ? 1703069;1503595527;mircea_popescu;better than "die hardly", which is what teh russian'd say :D 1703070;1503595546;asciilifeform;or, more famously, a character referring to 'general motors' ends up speaking of a Генерал Моторс 1703071;1503595549;mircea_popescu;(ftr i maintain this isn't even a bad translation) 1703072;1503595559;asciilifeform;( a great, presumably, prev. unknown military mind ) 1703073;1503595566;mircea_popescu;works in english too! 1703074;1503595572;mircea_popescu;neither of these are bad translations imo. 1703075;1503595615;mircea_popescu;(we have this joke in household, "General X", all the various generals.) 1703076;1503595653;mircea_popescu;i'd say something like "not commonly seen in general practice" and eyes will sparkle, "oooo, General Practice!" 1703077;1503595673;*;asciilifeform pictures the generals Electric, Motors, Dynamics, and Relativity, around a table 1703078;1503595678;mircea_popescu;aha!@ 1703079;1503595684;ben_vulpes;lol 1703080;1503596077;asciilifeform;http://www.periodictable.ru/080Hg/slides/Hg3.jpg << for n00bz: hg tilt switch. 1703081;1503596100;asciilifeform;( there are various types, but all ~same idea ) 1703082;1503596176;asciilifeform;the added noise immunity you get from the analogue business end ~not being a semiconductor~ is considerable. 1703083;1503596239;asciilifeform;( hg can semiconduct but not under the conditions contemplated here ) 1703084;1503596290;asciilifeform;http://www.chinaxurui.net/uploads-xr/1-m/2015-04/mercury-switch-pz-103.jpg << moar common modern-day tube. 1703085;1503596343;asciilifeform;phunphakt -- at one time usg considered these 'dual use item', on account of their popularity as carbomb trigger 1703086;1503596425;asciilifeform;and - while we're on subj -- the naive replacement, a ball-in-pipe tilt switch, is NOT suitable for rng -- contact bounce is patterned; and oxidized contacts -- semiconduct. 1703087;1503596555;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1703088;1503596563;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4205.0, vol: 12217.27969382 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4206.9, vol: 21819.56422789 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4234.101, vol: 4993.05066671 | Volume-weighted last average: 4209.78504852 1703089;1503596573;asciilifeform;quite the goxlag 1703090;1503596715;asciilifeform;!~google mercury switch rng 1703091;1503596716;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Mercury Tilt Switch and Reed Switch - YouTube: ; Mercury Switch | eBay: ; RNGList - Managing Mercury Switches Found in Vehicles...: > http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ 1703098;1503597163;asciilifeform;which means if the driver had a kalash, he would have been theoretically in the clear, if he had used it, right through the window 1703099;1503597177;BingoBoingo;AHA 1703100;1503597196;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik the discussion of the physical evidence, is noose 1703101;1503597204;asciilifeform;( i expect it will soon evaporate, however ) 1703102;1503597241;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, the videos showed a "sea of baseball bats" (other's words) around car 1703103;1503597285;asciilifeform;'kick the dog till it bites' 1703104;1503597292;mircea_popescu;guy's gonna walk. 1703105;1503597295;BingoBoingo;Leading to "and apparently hit by a bat" vs, assumed piece of shit outside during hail 1703106;1503597303;*;asciilifeform doubts 1703107;1503597324;BingoBoingo;Very clear he's not getting convicted for murder. 1703108;1503597343;BingoBoingo;Unless he signs papers himself or hired Josh Dratel 1703109;1503597370;asciilifeform;they'll nail him in a 'civil' 'wrongful death' or whatever nonsense. pantsuit gets infinite lawyering for $0; d00d -- prolly already penniless 1703110;1503597384;mircea_popescu;the whole "pantsuit worldview is supported by the courts" is borne out of review of pantsuit faux news sites ; not out of review of actual court cases. 1703111;1503597404;mircea_popescu;dude shot an uppity black kid recently FOR being uppity recently, walked. 1703112;1503597406;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ain't that what the installation of 'magistrates' etc. freislers, is for 1703113;1503597421;mircea_popescu;buncha priviledged white sons raped the shit out of a random poor ho, walked. 1703114;1503597422;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1703115;1503597438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it doesn't extend to charlottessville. it's mostly a queens and brooklyn thing. 1703116;1503597449;mircea_popescu;understand, the us is big, the pantsuit few... it's not so easy. 1703117;1503597453;asciilifeform;will be interesting to see 1703118;1503597463;asciilifeform;iirc the last major 'walked' was in fl. 1703119;1503597467;mircea_popescu;to put it another way : pantsuit illegitimacy MEANS something. this is what it means. 1703120;1503597481;mircea_popescu;that when they get one over they'd better fucking advertise it well. because it's the one they get. 1703121;1503597503;asciilifeform;the lever they've been using since rodneyking(tm)(r) is 'he walks, we burn $100B of city' 1703122;1503597510;BingoBoingo; iirc the last major 'walked' was in fl. << Baltimore cops walked on the "not buckling up crack dealer in van" murder charge 1703123;1503597559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my guess that the guy will walk is based on the knowledge that the da's have been struiggling to NOT take the case. ie, someone will have to, but i dun wanna be it. 1703124;1503597560;BingoBoingo;US city doesn't have $100B to burn except in inflatolade 1703125;1503597571;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interesting 1703126;1503597578;mircea_popescu;terrible case from their pov, the redditards consider it a prerequisite victory and the evidence dun support 1703127;1503597597;asciilifeform;i expect they will doctor the evidence, and witnesses, as needed 1703128;1503597604;mircea_popescu;so expect they. 1703129;1503597605;asciilifeform;or, failing that, 'accident' the d00d in his cell. 1703130;1503597610;mircea_popescu;the only problerm -- someone to actually do the work 1703131;1503597629;mircea_popescu;otherwise reddington post fulla idea "men" in diaper suits. 1703132;1503597639;asciilifeform;not so hard, to arrange a meeting with a sharp object, for prisoner 1703133;1503597653;asciilifeform;or 'wrong heart med', milosevic-style 1703134;1503597669;mircea_popescu;heh. 1703135;1503597737;mircea_popescu;here's the thing with the monkey herds : they can all agree that "x is to be done" until blue in the face. the problem is that a specific X will have to do it. and the word is out whoever does it gets fucked in the ass, as per that ancient von flondor discussion. 1703136;1503597752;mircea_popescu;so now the pantsuit agreements look like " it should be done -- but by someone else." 1703137;1503597762;mircea_popescu;major operational degrading. 1703138;1503597767;asciilifeform;to date they've always found a chump 1703139;1503597926;mircea_popescu;depends how you count. 1703140;1503597946;mircea_popescu;take the dnc. still looking for a chumpairman. 1703141;1503598012;asciilifeform;looks like they found one tho. 1703142;1503598017;asciilifeform;( trump ! ) 1703143;1503598032;mircea_popescu;anyway. compare to the 90s, arguably the pantsuit's only glory times. back then, das would have fought each other TO get this case. surefire governorship 1703144;1503598046;mircea_popescu;nowadays they deasl in surefire bharara-izations, not in surefire governships. 1703145;1503600937;mircea_popescu;and in further tales from the orclands : place mp rented (furnished!) included something like a quarter ton worth of silver plate. because the woman likes it or something. among the vessels, this reasonably nice cup, with a lid. both the cup and the lid were chiseled into shape, but the lid had a forged pompom added on top, for ease of handling i guess or whatever. 1703146;1503600976;mircea_popescu;obviously the chiseled bit and the forged bit were apart when i got 'em, and today finally got around to fixing the item. which, you imagine by now, first requires cleaning the surfaces from all the previous "fixer"'s efforts. 1703147;1503601026;mircea_popescu;i removed, in this order : one layer caulk (no, really, it won't hold silver ?) ; one layer superglue ; and an unidentified oldest layer which i suspect might actuallty be flour-and-water. 1703148;1503601060;mircea_popescu;the myth of "you're a human being and therefore you can do anything human beings can do" strikes again. 1703149;1503601749;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gonna resistance-weld it ? 1703150;1503601867;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, borrowed some solder glue. 1703151;1503601912;asciilifeform;dafuq is solder glue 1703152;1503601915;asciilifeform;conductive epoxy ? 1703153;1503601924;mircea_popescu;there's a special eutectic formulation of silver. 1703154;1503601978;asciilifeform;that'd be normal highend solder, neh 1703155;1503601980;mircea_popescu;there;s also special brazing flux. but i had a can 1703156;1503602003;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah. well i guess maybe the "easy" sort. 1703157;1503602022;mircea_popescu;hard solder glue is used with torch not soldering iron 1703158;1503602058;asciilifeform;'glue' is misnomer then 1703159;1503602062;asciilifeform;it's a braze alloy 1703160;1503602075;mircea_popescu;well, there's glue and there's filler. 1703161;1503602089;mircea_popescu;filler is intended to fill cracks, ie, no resistence is expected of it. glue is supposed to actually join disparate parts. 1703162;1503602337;mircea_popescu;(before anyone tries the cutting weld torch on their wedding ring : the torch here discussed is a tiny thing, not-that._ 1703163;1503602421;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-05#911017 << obliglulz 1703164;1503602421;a111;Logged on 2014-11-05 06:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things. 1703165;1503602782;asciilifeform;incidentally there is a very spiffy tool ( that i dun currently have one of ) for such occasions, that runs on... distilled water and many many amps of dc 1703166;1503602787;asciilifeform;( exercise for the reader, how ) 1703167;1503602798;asciilifeform;'water torch' 1703168;1503602851;mircea_popescu;there's also arc welders. pulse, 2-3 a sec, 2-3 amps or so 1703169;1503602860;mircea_popescu;basically your cap. 1703170;1503602876;asciilifeform;arc welder != resistance welder 1703171;1503602885;asciilifeform;you wouldn't want to arc weld decorative silvers 1703172;1503602890;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1703173;1503602905;mircea_popescu;honestly the tiny jeweler's torch is imo the solution. 1703174;1503602984;mircea_popescu;oxy/propane 1703175;1503603018;asciilifeform;'water torch' uses h2/o2. ( actually predates all other welding mixtures. ) 1703176;1503603042;asciilifeform;went largely out of style outside of jewelry and exotic metals work, because boom 1703177;1503603048;mircea_popescu;this thing, usually plugs into like a campging cooker for the gas. 1703178;1503603113;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/e38Qx << what asciilifeform has ( iirc there was a thread about this item, but can't seem to find ) 1703179;1503603145;asciilifeform;^ the one that took laughing gas as oxidizer 1703180;1503603602;mircea_popescu;radio shack eh ? 1703181;1503603614;mircea_popescu;anyway, much better to have it pluggable into commodity reservoir than get special. 1703182;1503603670;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702511 << ahahaha nigga say wut! 1703183;1503603670;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 04:38 BingoBoingo: In the turrdorist department https://archive.is/MuV2n 1703184;1503603683;mircea_popescu;this IS the right internet. the pantsuit are more than welcome to build their alt-internetcoin. 1703185;1503603699;mircea_popescu;i predict it'll work just as well as all their other "no really it's the original" clones worked. 1703186;1503603898;mircea_popescu;hurr durr, "those other people are isolated because our internet consists of google amazon and facebook and we don't look outside herpa derpa" 1703187;1503603969;mircea_popescu;meanwhile under the tree, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e69be6ae48b41f91b5e6d48136ef66fc/tumblr_nyo7bmYuDI1uco4pdo1_1280.jpg 1703188;1503604829;asciilifeform;'Cloudflare — a web services company known for never banning anything — dropped the Daily Stormer in a fit of pique' << lol!! 1703189;1503604853;asciilifeform;'an upstart company — especially one that’s deliberately isolated and adversarial — would have trouble competing with providing the type of service that Cloudflare, or its similarly massive competitor like Akamai, can' lolx2 1703190;1503604861;asciilifeform;'service', is it. 1703191;1503604945;asciilifeform;incidentally, whatever happened to the 'common carrier' thing 1703192;1503604958;asciilifeform;can assume, it is finally evaporated ? 1703193;1503604985;asciilifeform;( i.e. twatter et al no longer have any defense re ~failing~ to censor Officially hated-of-the-day $item, at any future point ) 1703194;1503605049;asciilifeform;( http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/common_carrier.htm << for aficionados ) 1703195;1503605190;asciilifeform;so per asciilifeform's (nonexpert) understanding, crapflare is now liable for, e.g., continuing to serve isis etc 1703196;1503607083;mircea_popescu;wait a second, cloudflare is a WEB SERVICES company now ? i thought it was a nsa tap services company. 1703197;1503608065;shinohai;Because load balancing is hard. 1703198;1503608142;mircea_popescu;daily stormer just wanted to. 1703199;1503616075;shinohai;WE TOTALLY NEED SEGWIT!!!111 https://oxt.me/charts 1703200;1503619072;mod6;evenin' 1703201;1503619124;mircea_popescu;hola 1703202;1503619270;mod6;solid l0gz 1703203;1503619272;*;mod6 reads 1703204;1503619288;shinohai;Que hay de bueno mod seis? 1703205;1503619744;shinohai;!~blocks 1703206;1503619745;jhvh1;shinohai: 481914 1703207;1503620401;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata/#comment-122744 1703208;1503620738;mircea_popescu;aha! 1703209;1503620791;mircea_popescu;shinohai did you nodeify it ? 1703210;1503621681;mod6;shinohai: nada mucho. 1703211;1503621691;shinohai;I felt that ~150 tx's are hardly worth me spinning up a cuntoo for 1703212;1503621713;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1703213;1503621777;shinohai;(Total # of actual segshit tx's being 150 for month of August) 1703214;1503621807;mod6;heh 1703215;1503621808;mircea_popescu;ah. no i meant, is jhvh1 sitting atop a trb node feeding !~blocks 1703216;1503621885;shinohai;Sadly, no. Though future plans are to make that happen. I need to have a sitdown with ben_vulpes and tie it in to mimi 1703217;1503622093;mod6;"And yes if you're coming to visit me this is where I'm booking you." << yes! 1703218;1503623049;mod6;just watched a video on this place. 1703219;1503623211;mod6;looks like a good spot 1703220;1503624561;mircea_popescu;:p 1703221;1503624601;mircea_popescu;btw BingoBoingo you ever seen days of wine and roses ? total aa publicity piece, jack lemmon's in it 1703222;1503625136;BingoBoingo;Nah, it's on the list 1703223;1503626115;mircea_popescu;it's not even terrible. 1703224;1503626229;*;BingoBoingo figures there will be plenty of time to film watch when winter comes 1703225;1503626239;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1703226;1503626718;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A90F910F39CE09AA42A7DCE0CC7AA81C7FB0BAE7AC9C81FE99C8343B1F3633B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1740...5547 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.187.135.151 (ssh-rsa key from 89.187.135.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (assigned-89-187-135-151.dc3.cz. CZ) 1703227;1503626718;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A90F910F39CE09AA42A7DCE0CC7AA81C7FB0BAE7AC9C81FE99C8343B1F3633B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1574...0147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.187.135.151 (ssh-rsa key from 89.187.135.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (assigned-89-187-135-151.dc3.cz. CZ) 1703228;1503627139;BingoBoingo;And in recent repeats, Transmayo protesters blocking traffic swarm car, try to beat driver. Driver escapes but faces felony charges. https://archive.is/trEw9 1703229;1503627615;mircea_popescu;heh 1703230;1503627649;BingoBoingo;Pantsuits must be desperate to get other case law 1703231;1503627726;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1703232;1503627731;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4338.81, vol: 10659.80671953 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4350.3, vol: 21198.12139798 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4330.612499, vol: 13652.80990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4367.0, vol: 4391.59315841 | Volume-weighted last average: 4343.92892926 1703233;1503628597;mircea_popescu;they really gotta start putting these schmucks in jail. were you "protesting" around a car and got run over ? 6 months till we get around to hearing your case. 1703234;1503628612;mircea_popescu;no bail on the grounds of the serious social danger of mob-minded idiots. 1703235;1503628788;mircea_popescu;!!up GratefulSerf 1703236;1503628789;deedbot;GratefulSerf voiced for 30 minutes. 1703237;1503628793;GratefulSerf;gentlemen 1703238;1503628802;GratefulSerf;I am really enjoying reading the logs 1703239;1503628810;mircea_popescu;good for you! 1703240;1503628854;mod6;GratefulSerf: cheers 1703241;1503628882;GratefulSerf;that's all - good day! 1703242;1503628893;mircea_popescu;lel 1703243;1503629646;hanbot;following fun-filled central american day of rando power outages, mid-sync trb aborts at startup with http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Kub6l/?raw=true 1703244;1503629649;hanbot;is this a thing? 1703245;1503629676;*;mod6 looks 1703246;1503629686;mircea_popescu;did you wipe lock file ? 1703247;1503629714;hanbot;not deliberately. lemmee see 1703248;1503629787;hanbot;.lock's there with blkdat files etc, yeah. 1703249;1503629792;mircea_popescu;wipe it. 1703250;1503629849;hanbot;wiped, same failure. 1703251;1503629861;mircea_popescu;ok, NOW let's read your paste :D 1703252;1503629865;hanbot;lol 1703253;1503629898;mircea_popescu;!#s NSt8ios_base7failureE 1703254;1503629899;a111;0 results for "NSt8ios_base7failureE", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=NSt8ios_base7failureE 1703255;1503629906;asciilifeform;dafuq 1703256;1503629907;mircea_popescu;i don't recall this wonder. 1703257;1503629913;asciilifeform;hanbot: on what was this built ? and it ever ran ? 1703258;1503629925;mircea_popescu;looks like disk corruption tbh. 1703259;1503629931;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> i don't recall this wonder. << me either. looking... 1703260;1503629940;hanbot;asciilifeform ye olde ubuntu 10.04, and it's been syncing fine for ~2 weeks, over 3 or 4 startups. 1703261;1503629989;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding i had the honor of experiencing as much bitcoin node disk corruption as the next fellow, but never saw it beforeE. 1703262;1503630004;asciilifeform;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4490.0 << lulzily, identical 1703263;1503630070;asciilifeform;rotten db. 1703264;1503630074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform looks like the db is fucked huh 1703265;1503630086;asciilifeform;joy of bdb 1703266;1503630124;mircea_popescu;did we have some kind of reindex iirc ? 1703267;1503630137;mircea_popescu;may be worth trying before discarding data and starting over. 1703268;1503630161;asciilifeform;can nuke blkindex but iirc this dunwork 1703269;1503630167;asciilifeform;( and never worked ) 1703270;1503630173;mircea_popescu;hanbot do you do detachdb ? 1703271;1503630214;hanbot;nope 1703272;1503630237;mircea_popescu;aite well, if your setup's only coupla weeks old by very far the cheapest solution is to wipe and restart. 1703273;1503630254;mod6;that's probably the simplest answer :[ 1703274;1503630256;mircea_popescu;you may want to start it with detachdb and backup the chain now and again. 1703275;1503630258;asciilifeform;you dun have to throw out the blocks tho 1703276;1503630266;asciilifeform;can blkcut them and then eatblock 1703277;1503630280;asciilifeform;a couplaeatimes faster than resync 1703278;1503630290;mircea_popescu;unless she's set up for that, it won't be worth the time saved. 1703279;1503630290;mod6;however, i might try a hand at keeping all but the most recent blk###.dat files, cutting them up with blkcut, then feeding them back in with eatblock. 1703280;1503630292;asciilifeform;( the blocks are fine, unless your disk is genuinely shot ) 1703281;1503630310;mod6;^ 1703282;1503630337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if the build has eatblock, there's not really any setup needed, just needs the 'can eat' flag on warmup 1703283;1503630347;mod6;i basically did a recent full sync with nothing but feeding into eatblock, from cut blk files, took ~6 days iirc. 1703284;1503630365;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not disputing that it werx. 1703285;1503630470;hanbot;alrighty. thanks all! 1703286;1503630536;mod6;gl hanbot 1703287;1503630546;mod6;fwiw, it looks like these lines from serialize.h : 1703288;1503630547;mod6;1285 if (fread(pch, 1, nSize, file) != nSize) 1703289;1503630547;mod6;1286 setstate(std::ios::failbit, feof(file) ? "CAutoFile::read : end of file" : "CAutoFile::read : fread failed"); 1703290;1503630573;mircea_popescu;aha. 1703291;1503630585;mircea_popescu;call stack prolly 47 deep. 1703292;1503630620;mod6;also, to the readers, if power flux is a problem, best to use some power conditioning (UPS) of some sort - shut down and back up your chain as you can to help prevent against BDB corruption from bad-shutdown, etc. 1703293;1503630626;mod6;mircea_popescu: ya. 1703294;1503630864;asciilifeform;another plus of small box with ssd -- you can use ordinary 12v lead cell as backup power. 1703295;1503630885;asciilifeform;( in line with the cable ) 1703296;1503631830;mircea_popescu;"Register For Free Online!". because totally, "register" fails to convey. it could be "pay 10 dollars and mail us things" right, that happens. 1703297;1503635086;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1703298;1503635088;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 481933 | Current Difficulty: 8.88171856257E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 483839 | Next Difficulty In: 1906 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 22 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1703299;1503635500;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna do a 20 bux paypal for me ? 1703300;1503636608;danielpbarron;i can do 1703301;1503636996;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sGuF0/?raw=true 1703302;1503637409;ben_vulpes;ohai danielpbarron 1703303;1503637563;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PHgVb/?raw=true 1703304;1503637570;danielpbarron;hi ben_vulpes 1703305;1503637605;mircea_popescu;tykindly danielpbarron 1703306;1503637607;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1703307;1503637612;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4312.84, vol: 9947.26413152 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4312.4, vol: 21579.21533179 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4350.158, vol: 4530.77083126 | Volume-weighted last average: 4317.26586303 1703308;1503637621;mircea_popescu;!~calc 20 / 4317.26586303 * 10e6 1703309;1503637622;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 20 / 4317.26586303 * 10e6 = 46325.61587477343 1703310;1503637635;mircea_popescu;50k at your leisure. 1703311;1503637688;danielpbarron;ready now if you want 1703312;1503637797;mircea_popescu;trade me danielpbarron 1703313;1503637849;mircea_popescu;in other news, the ecu trades for 2500 to the dollar. ie, better than many fiat currencies. 1703314;1503637865;danielpbarron;yeah i was just thinking, that was less than 5 days worth of bezzle for me 1703315;1503637886;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1703316;1503637900;danielpbarron;i get 11337 per 24 hours 1703317;1503638063;mircea_popescu;oh you mean playing ? hehe. cool. 1703318;1503638083;danielpbarron;that's aside from what i can figure out to make crafting 1703319;1503638127;danielpbarron;that last thing i did that made the top pops was a loss technically, but i did get a bunch of level 2 gathering skill book blueprints out of it 1703320;1503638192;mircea_popescu;yeah kinda hard to evaluate. 1703321;1503638275;danielpbarron;an impressive loss though -- to hit a million on something that should have been worth 60 times less or something 1703322;1503638287;danielpbarron;took at least a week to prepare the bundle 1703323;1503638292;mircea_popescu;heh 1703324;1503639078;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADA774AF9031CEFCF1E098C8D3EC31BCECD964A47ECFB5FE477D249773F26CEE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...9367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.208.239.224 (ssh-rsa key from 128.208.239.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rocaplinux.ocean.washington.edu. US WA) 1703325;1503639078;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADA774AF9031CEFCF1E098C8D3EC31BCECD964A47ECFB5FE477D249773F26CEE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1616...6767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.208.239.224 (ssh-rsa key from 128.208.239.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rocaplinux.ocean.washington.edu. US WA) 1703326;1503640942;BingoBoingo;rocaplinux.ocean.washington.edu << Oh my! 1703327;1503663047;BingoBoingo;Meme-al Subversion https://identitydixie.com/2017/08/25/dixian-ethno-nationalism-or-dixianism/ 1703328;1503665366;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/#comment-108443 1703329;1503668489;mod6;mornin 1703330;1503669212;trinque;hey mod6, how goes 1703331;1503669262;mod6;pretty good trinque, you? 1703332;1503669301;trinque;just fine; looks like we're in for waterworld this weekend. 1703333;1503669354;trinque;cans, water, beer, ammo on hand. what else does a guy need? 1703334;1503669411;shinohai;Well, never hurts to have an ample supply of women, you know in case you have to repopulate the city. 1703335;1503669462;trinque;got one here, but she's ample in the right places 1703336;1503669776;mod6;hold tight this weekend trinque 1703337;1503669901;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6A2FCD6A625943FA2904C14E29015200A3644E5F9DABFB5F66F4DF1FA03279F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1729...8403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.80.214.164 (ssh-rsa key from 88.80.214.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vps5338.alfahosting-vps.de. DE NW) 1703338;1503669901;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6A2FCD6A625943FA2904C14E29015200A3644E5F9DABFB5F66F4DF1FA03279F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1588...1823 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.80.214.164 (ssh-rsa key from 88.80.214.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vps5338.alfahosting-vps.de. DE NW) 1703339;1503669941;trinque;I'm on the 3rd floor, concrete building, should be fine seats for the show. 1703340;1503669961;mod6;ah good deal 1703341;1503679586;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF441EAD54EB175D65630358C17E1B65804A4857F477197CC413253EB8416131 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1472...4903 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.104.168.243 (ssh-rsa key from 58.104.168.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (d58-104-168-243.mrk2.qld.optusnet.com.au. AU) 1703342;1503679586;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF441EAD54EB175D65630358C17E1B65804A4857F477197CC413253EB8416131 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1504...2589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.104.168.243 (ssh-rsa key from 58.104.168.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (d58-104-168-243.mrk2.qld.optusnet.com.au. AU) 1703343;1503681696;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes feature req... counter of empty blox in past 24h. can haz? 1703344;1503681697;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1703345;1503681715;asciilifeform;( whole bunch today ) 1703346;1503683041;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/president-clinton/ 1703347;1503683148;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform experimented recently with various prb ( after couplae year pause ) and reports that they never in any way cured the 'happy to sit for hours waiting for block rain to fall into mouth' sync behaviour. 1703348;1503684048;mod6;Next question: If you are white, you can't complain about racial harrassment. True or False. 1703349;1503684056;mod6;True 1703350;1503684071;mod6;"That's not correct, please try again." 1703351;1503684079;mod6;"YOU CAN complain about racial harrassment, EVEN if you're white." 1703352;1503684082;mod6;lmao 1703353;1503684086;asciilifeform;lolwat 1703354;1503684098;mod6;(harassment video / question day) 1703355;1503684110;mod6;once per year. pantsuits everywhere alf 1703356;1503684198;asciilifeform;mod6: the best ones were at the army flying desks corps. 'terrorism training' etc 1703357;1503684207;mod6;lol, omg 1703358;1503692147;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i think you got gypped, wtf happened here. 1703359;1503692160;mircea_popescu;!~calc 3 * 10e3 1703360;1503692161;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 3 * 10e3 = 30000 1703361;1503692169;mircea_popescu;WHAT THE FUCK 1703362;1503692183;mircea_popescu;!~calc 3 * 2e3 1703363;1503692185;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 3 * 2e3 = 6000 1703364;1503692188;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1703365;1503692195;mircea_popescu;!~calc 20 / 4317.26586303 * 1e8 1703366;1503692196;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 20 / 4317.26586303 * 1e8 = 463256.1587477343 1703367;1503692206;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron further 450k ecu coming your way when you're good and ready. 1703368;1503692310;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-25#1703327 << the pantsuit hope is that they'll make it be about the south only, thereby saving their bacon. pretty standard divide et impera ploy, especially given their byzantine-level desperate factual situation. 1703369;1503692310;a111;Logged on 2017-08-25 12:10 BingoBoingo: Meme-al Subversion https://identitydixie.com/2017/08/25/dixian-ethno-nationalism-or-dixianism/ 1703370;1503692395;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-25#1703335 << ahaha great comeback\ 1703371;1503692395;a111;Logged on 2017-08-25 13:57 trinque: got one here, but she's ample in the right places 1703372;1503692443;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-25#1703339 << depends where you live (ie, quality of soil) but strong concrete buildings can be actually worse in a flood than rickety bamboo shacks. depends on whether the soil gives way. 1703373;1503692443;a111;Logged on 2017-08-25 14:05 trinque: I'm on the 3rd floor, concrete building, should be fine seats for the show. 1703374;1503692481;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-25#1703343 << no, not that. counter of EMPTY CAPACITY. 1703375;1503692481;a111;Logged on 2017-08-25 17:21 asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes feature req... counter of empty blox in past 24h. can haz? 1703376;1503692600;asciilifeform;even better 1703377;1503693006;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/raising-faggots/ << Trilema - Raising faggots 1703378;1503694815;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, pretty much all pantsuit has is identity politics and resentment promotion 1703379;1503694849;mircea_popescu;aha 1703380;1503694872;mircea_popescu;"Heightening the contradictions" was supposed to bring about teh worldwide socialist revolution! WHY ISNT IT!! 1703381;1503695128;BingoBoingo;Because Hegel was a fucktard. Because "German Idealism" isn't a way to model the world as the world is neither German nor ideal. 1703382;1503695201;BingoBoingo;In the school of Causes and Purposes Hegel is the progenitor of evil, but not cool like a devil or anything. More of a lame, bitter clerk who can't walk good. 1703383;1503695268;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform found that there WAS a standard for sram simms -- http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Projects/DSP_Expansion_Ram/JEDEC_64_Pin_SIMM.pdf -- and that vintage examples survive 1703384;1503695313;asciilifeform;( and -- even possibly still made by somebody ) 1703385;1503695456;mircea_popescu;the eerie relations emerging in the forum. 1703386;1503695623;asciilifeform;hm? 1703387;1503695630;mircea_popescu;the hegelian simms 1703388;1503695641;asciilifeform;lol 1703389;1503700343;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1703390;1503700352;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4356.99, vol: 10365.80936038 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4357.8, vol: 31659.58246094 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4400.0, vol: 4835.77645296 | Volume-weighted last average: 4361.97559928 1703391;1503700897;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-25#1703367 << ah, thanks for catching that. 1703392;1503700897;a111;Logged on 2017-08-25 20:16 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron further 450k ecu coming your way when you're good and ready. 1703393;1503702368;danielpbarron;starting to feel like my connection only drops when i'm voiced.. 1703394;1503702793;mircea_popescu;lol 1703395;1503705528;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/iKh5Dl7.jpg << 4 legs good, two wheels better! 1703396;1503705665;ben_vulpes;lol 1703397;1503705674;ben_vulpes;some dogs are just delightfully stupid and willing to please 1703398;1503705684;mircea_popescu;aha. 1703399;1503705750;BingoBoingo;He's got BOOTS! 1703400;1503705927;mircea_popescu;and in today's random trilema lulz, http://trilema.com/2011/fata-isteata/ 1703401;1503711864;shinohai;Of possible interest to BingoBoingo, Toronto Orchestra shuts down because fatties: http://archive.is/CJ4Dx 1703402;1503715375;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zV7P7/?raw=true 1703403;1503715375;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1703404;1503717527;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in ~very~ vintage lulz, http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu.htm 1703405;1503719360;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/us-president-trump-issues-his-first-executive-pardon/ << Qntra - US President Trump Issues His First Executive Pardon 1703406;1503719415;BingoBoingo;^ Flashpoint 1703407;1503719659;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1703408;1503720047;BingoBoingo;So Trump has unleashed Bannon, Gorkha, relieving them of obligations related to actual white house attachment. As this happens he's trapped Jared and Ivanka's establishment friends in Daddy's house, and Daddy's making the rules now. 1703409;1503720257;mircea_popescu;heh 1703410;1503720398;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. zee pantsuits have serious reason tyo be worried, in a police state the unchecked power to pardon is very dangerous. 1703411;1503720434;mircea_popescu;way us works, "everyone's guilty", of nothing in particular but nevertheless. then trump's guys walk and the pantsuits are left to do 5+ years "sentencing guidelines". 1703412;1503720460;mircea_popescu;a coupla years of this, the pantsuit party will be akin to 1880s russian futurists. 1703413;1503720474;BingoBoingo;Yeah, pardoning is the only power that matters when original sin is on the line 1703414;1503720636;*;asciilifeform predicts that if this button starts getting heavy use, it'll be unplugged quickly and quietly 1703415;1503720677;BingoBoingo;Can't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKjc8IfzzMM 1703416;1503720780;mircea_popescu;how ? 1703417;1503720787;mircea_popescu;constitutional ammendment ? 1703418;1503720859;asciilifeform;nah, same way as they unplugged his executive orders. 'pardon? very funny, d00d stays in jail, whatchagonnadoaboutit' 1703419;1503720868;mircea_popescu;heh 1703420;1503720876;mircea_popescu;he actually can call the natl guard. 1703421;1503720901;mircea_popescu;that's how all the rooseveltian bs was imposed in the 50s. 1703422;1503720915;asciilifeform;could have called it to get the illicit immigrants out of berkeley, also 1703423;1503720918;asciilifeform;but did not. 1703424;1503720930;mircea_popescu;iffier, but yes. 1703425;1503720934;asciilifeform;nor the 'judges'. 1703426;1503720944;mircea_popescu;well how the fuck would that have worked. 1703427;1503720967;asciilifeform;i suspect that he dun particularly want to learn whether ~that~ button worx 1703428;1503720992;BingoBoingo;"You broke the rules" "Fuck you, you're breaking the rules" "Fuck you I'm Tom Brady" 1703429;1503721031;mircea_popescu;who's tom brady ? 1703430;1503721059;BingoBoingo;The Cartman who is in the nightmare with Commisioner Cartman and Coach Cartman 1703431;1503721073;mircea_popescu;ah 1703432;1503721100;BingoBoingo;A perfect storm of hypocrisy that captures America's attention for months on end... 1703433;1503721172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ? 1703434;1503721200;asciilifeform;now this i have nfi, why not, lol. ask him... 1703435;1503721211;mircea_popescu;but YOU proposed it. 1703436;1503721224;mircea_popescu;"i think alf fucks chickens" "Why would he do that" "i dunno, ask him" 1703437;1503721447;asciilifeform;proposed for lack of better hypothesis in my head 1703438;1503721450;hanbot;does mircea_popescu assert you can't suspect someone of something without knowing a plausible motive? 1703439;1503721476;mircea_popescu;well gotta have some basis ; otherwise what are you suspecting them of, "i suspect thee of me not liking you" ? 1703440;1503721483;asciilifeform;( e.g. If it were known that asciilifeform were stranded on asteroid with only his chicken, but nevertheless fucked... ) 1703441;1503721499;*;asciilifeform bbl 1703442;1503721505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, that works. indicate such set of knowns. 1703443;1503721541;BingoBoingo; nor the 'judges'. << Pardon theology doesn't work that way. 1703444;1503721554;mircea_popescu;i think that was re "call natl guard"./ 1703445;1503721586;BingoBoingo;Right, but this is why not call on judges over executive orders. It's a theological question. 1703446;1503721600;BingoBoingo;Pardon vacates decisions judges attach to people. 1703447;1503721624;BingoBoingo;Decisions judges make about decisions are condemned to float around judge wank 1703448;1503721631;mircea_popescu;interesting point. 1703449;1503721655;BingoBoingo;It's why you can national guard over one point and not the other 1703450;1503721822;BingoBoingo; could have called it to get the illicit immigrants out of berkeley, also << And on this point INS is scaling up enforcment, can't National Guard while they can scale up unless salable "crisis". 1703451;1503721996;BingoBoingo;While 'Murica may have been denied the possibility of a functioning culture by the Puritains, the Xtian possibility of absolution is the only role President and Governors have which seperates them from retail managers and traffic cops 1703452;1503721998;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BDFE9593C55F0E1D9A7E6C27AF731FCBBE190D92FEFB036540ED5929D245901A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1362...2729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.253.102.108 (ssh-rsa key from 87.253.102.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host-108-102.253-87.enter.it. IT) 1703453;1503721998;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BDFE9593C55F0E1D9A7E6C27AF731FCBBE190D92FEFB036540ED5929D245901A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1517...8603 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.253.102.108 (ssh-rsa key from 87.253.102.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host-108-102.253-87.enter.it. IT) 1703454;1503722036;mircea_popescu;myeah 1703455;1503722169;BingoBoingo;Without pardon there is no executive, which means dissolution 1703456;1503722203;BingoBoingo;If pantsuit kills Trump on this they won't have anything left to take 1703457;1503723083;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1703458;1503723088;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4309.86, vol: 9738.48082200 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4294.9, vol: 26852.97177971 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4356.799, vol: 4116.63890714 | Volume-weighted last average: 4304.73842499 1703459;1503726419;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/908594FC038BBD37E7116D8EB659C0234AFEE3A1F7B47A752C36ACD87ABA3787 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1642...9147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.19.160.205 (ssh-rsa key from 84.19.160.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (h-84.19.160.205.keyweb.de. DE) 1703460;1503726419;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/908594FC038BBD37E7116D8EB659C0234AFEE3A1F7B47A752C36ACD87ABA3787 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1663...3239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.19.160.205 (ssh-rsa key from 84.19.160.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (h-84.19.160.205.keyweb.de. DE) 1703461;1503730548;mircea_popescu;!!up p0nziph0ne 1703462;1503730549;deedbot;p0nziph0ne voiced for 30 minutes. 1703463;1503748392;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1703464;1503748398;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4307.6, vol: 9657.75523379 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4307.5, vol: 24734.7973966 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4331.52, vol: 8569.03020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4322.8, vol: 3762.66003719 | Volume-weighted last average: 4313.1579318 1703465;1503754508;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F35C2347E2C93A09681C70C9B431E8B92D38C477F71C5FFC074F18714EE784B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1446...4539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.200.103.20 (ssh-rsa key from 212.200.103.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RS) 1703466;1503754508;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F35C2347E2C93A09681C70C9B431E8B92D38C477F71C5FFC074F18714EE784B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1353...1779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.200.103.20 (ssh-rsa key from 212.200.103.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RS) 1703467;1503767256;shinohai;yay, trinque is still alive! :P 1703468;1503767332;trinque;no tx weather is allowed to kill me without my permission 1703469;1503767384;shinohai;If only we had bigger blox, could fit more weather in those tx's 1703470;1503767425;trinque;lulz 1703471;1503771365;mircea_popescu;trinque so how alt-weather did it get ? pictures post ? 1703472;1503772975;trinque;as yet, hasn't done much of anything in houston, though I think I slept through a wave of rain last night. corpus christi and surrounding areas got a pounding. 1703473;1503773008;trinque;we're right in between two bands atm, and sun is peaking through. 1703474;1503773034;trinque;could still flood if the thing turns NE 1703475;1503773060;trinque;if we get a decent deluge, will post 1703476;1503773071;*;mircea_popescu chuckles at the thought that while all this was brought about by 40 inches of rain, 1703477;1503773080;mircea_popescu;costa rica gets 25 FEET. A YEAR. 1703478;1503773321;mircea_popescu;hola mike_c 1703479;1503773797;mike_c;good afternoon 1703480;1503777229;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-and-improved-republican-glossaurus/ << if anyone wanna either contribute items or ask for items to be included lemme know. 1703481;1503778275;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-and-improved-republican-glossaurus/ << Trilema - The New and Improved Republican Glossaurus 1703482;1503778377;mod6;glad to see you stayed safe trinque 1703483;1503787300;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1703484;1503787319;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4342.06, vol: 6547.65639888 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4339.3, vol: 15107.37467521 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4345.01, vol: 2763.90766004 | Volume-weighted last average: 4340.68636018 1703485;1503789400;shinohai;In other unintentionally hilarious headlines: http://archive.is/nOMrw 1703486;1503796886;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Poor concrete which wore that arch pantsuit impact 1703487;1503806417;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/jYCWc : "Trump's pardon...threatens to become a stain on this president's legacy." 1703488;1503806499;ben_vulpes;pantsuits have no idea how detached from reality they're becoming. excuse me, legacy? according to you in the first case, he doesn't have a legacy, and in the second case his legacy can only exist in the minds of the kinds of people who /elected arpaio like three times in a row/, and for whom his actions are glorious greatagain material. 1703489;1503806610;ben_vulpes;etceteras etceteras, "Bain said he believes Trump "has a sense that the chief executive controls everything in the executive branch, including the exercise of criminal power. And that is just not the way the system is set up." lol omfg excuse me (and excuse me again for disregarding the 'button not connected' thread), but that is /precisely/ how the system is set up. the formal and enshrined separations are 1703490;1503806612;ben_vulpes;between the judiciary, the legislative, and the executive. 1703491;1503806677;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: What about cum-a-long Obama and who was inaugurated with a legacy? 1703492;1503806752;trinque;mod6: ty, got some minor flooding atm. enjoying the hell out of it, cracking beers. 1703493;1503806827;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-25#1703372 << entirely true; I've been walking the building watching out for erosion. so far the impressive houston drainage system is working 1703494;1503806827;a111;Logged on 2017-08-25 20:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-25#1703339 << depends where you live (ie, quality of soil) but strong concrete buildings can be actually worse in a flood than rickety bamboo shacks. depends on whether the soil gives way. 1703495;1503807830;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Isn't it amazing that the pantsuits are so happy to ignore Sheriff Joe being an 85 year old man. 1703496;1503808081;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: dunno what you mean with the obama comment 1703497;1503808096;ben_vulpes;also he's a deplorable, they don't know anything else about him 1703498;1503808137;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Well Hussein Bahamas came into office with a Nobel Prize in stone souping reserved. 1703499;1503808300;BingoBoingo;Now from the orchard of faggo-Tree https://archive.is/15adv 1703500;1503808368;BingoBoingo;"I’m a left-wing white guy. And a Jew. Since Charlottesville, I’ve noticed some strange changes in myself." << WTF 1703501;1503808422;BingoBoingo;"At work, I’ve spaced out for 20 minutes at a time during meetings, daydreaming about committing violence, always righteously, in overly dramatic, obnoxiously heroic ways, with a very troubling overtone of white saviorism. In addition to saving the girls from a male predator with my brute strength and righteous rage, I’ve had another recurring fantasy of saving the passengers on a plane hijacked by “911-esque” terrorists." << OMG 1703502;1503808422;BingoBoingo; 911-esque is racis against Pashtuns! 1703503;1503808571;BingoBoingo;WIN >> "Recently, I was frustrated at a locksmith. I had come to his storefront twice during business hours and he was closed, even after I’d gotten hold of him on the phone. I left an overly polite, perturbed voicemail. Then I called again a minute later thinking I might get him — I still needed a key copied. No answer. I get a call a moment later from an unknown number." ... "He called back. He kept calling me a fucking faggot. I t 1703504;1503808571;BingoBoingo;old him that this is crazy and that I’m just going to write on Yelp with what he’s saying. “I hope this isn’t your personal number,” he said. I ask if he was threatening me. He texted me a moment later with a link to a Yelp page for a nonprofit. The nonprofit that I run." 1703505;1503808642;ben_vulpes;" I’ve been told that Antifa have physically fended off neo-Nazis who have attempted to enter people’s homes in raids in predominantly black neighborhoods." 1703506;1503808692;ben_vulpes;followed by "i have nfi if true or not BUT WHAT A GREAT STORY OMG MY FIGHTBONER IS SO HARD" 1703507;1503808766;ben_vulpes;slate now publishing anonymous snuff fantasy 1703508;1503808826;ben_vulpes;ahaha paraphrasing "should i go to a family-friendly counter rally elsewhere and DO A CHILDCARE SHIFT" 1703509;1503808852;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: this is a gem 1703510;1503808864;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Not Slate, Salon, the other dreamer fodder orchard 1703511;1503808867;ben_vulpes;gotta be trolling 1703512;1503808873;ben_vulpes;oh oh scuse me 1703513;1503808876;ben_vulpes;salon 1703514;1503808939;BingoBoingo;So, the big question: "Is it anti semitic to convice a J-double-O JOO that they are white? 1703515;1503808993;BingoBoingo;I mean that's a lot of neuroticism for pantsuit to unload 1703516;1503809083;BingoBoingo;Anyways, to use pantsuit's lingo, such a thing is exploitative cultural tourism. 1703517;1503809104;*;asciilifeform woke up and 'wat evn is this'... 1703518;1503809154;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: any reason why syncing from 46.166.160.36 would be painfully slow? 1703519;1503809188;*;ben_vulpes bringing up a few nodes, pointing 'em at other republican advertised ips 1703520;1503809390;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's porn of a deviant variety 1703521;1503809554;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703503 << 'he'll email you his fist...' (tm)(r)(mircea_popescu) 1703522;1503809554;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:36 BingoBoingo: WIN >> "Recently, I was frustrated at a locksmith. I had come to his storefront twice during business hours and he was closed, even after I’d gotten hold of him on the phone. I left an overly polite, perturbed voicemail. Then I called again a minute later thinking I might get him — I still needed a key copied. No answer. I get a call a moment later from an unknown number." ... "He called back. He kept calling me a fucking faggot. I t 1703523;1503809898;*;asciilifeform goes backtosleep 1703524;1503812481;mircea_popescu;!!up flaviuc 1703525;1503812481;deedbot;flaviuc voiced for 30 minutes. 1703526;1503812497;mircea_popescu;anyone watched the mayweather - mcgregor fight ? 1703527;1503812551;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703488 << i don't expect they understand anything past you know, "words are what you put in the advertising pizza". 1703528;1503812551;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:01 ben_vulpes: pantsuits have no idea how detached from reality they're becoming. excuse me, legacy? according to you in the first case, he doesn't have a legacy, and in the second case his legacy can only exist in the minds of the kinds of people who /elected arpaio like three times in a row/, and for whom his actions are glorious greatagain material. 1703529;1503812578;mircea_popescu;sort-of like, "everyone likes tomatoequality nobody likes anchoviracism" sorta level of comprehension. 1703530;1503812685;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703493 << that's a tiny expense with huge returns. they have the defensive ditches here too, foot deep. worth it. 1703531;1503812685;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:07 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-25#1703372 << entirely true; I've been walking the building watching out for erosion. so far the impressive houston drainage system is working 1703532;1503813644;ben_vulpes;i almost strolled to the bar, decided to tend to some node seedlings instead 1703533;1503813738;ben_vulpes;(in re mayweather fight) 1703534;1503813813;ben_vulpes;and in pipe dreams: https://phys.org/news/2017-08-electrons-liquid-graphene-physics.html 1703535;1503813830;mircea_popescu;it was pretty good, oldster waited out the mma monkey, then pounded him silly. 1703536;1503814109;ben_vulpes;sounds lovely 1703537;1503814176;mircea_popescu;not bad. 1703538;1503814201;mircea_popescu;bonus : i watched it at teh casino bar, after taking the place for about a hundred bux. 1703539;1503814270;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the other side they were replaying ancient (1990s) f1. that 1996 mikka hakkinen pass, some williams stuff from 1990 (that spark chase) and so on. 1703540;1503814277;mircea_popescu;OLD TIMES LIVE! 1703541;1503814364;mircea_popescu;anyway, it prolly has lafond tearing into his beer somewhere ; 40yo to take an (otherwise very impressive) kickboxing 20yo. 1703542;1503815027;ben_vulpes;old f1 much more my lane 1703543;1503815080;ben_vulpes;and in new, improved, really terrible intelligence augmentation in the same spoarts category: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alonso-qualifying-spa-honda-mclaren-945396/ 1703544;1503815125;mircea_popescu;yeah they wrecked it sometime in early 2000s with all the crap "Safety" rules. 1703545;1503815134;mircea_popescu;post ayrton sena basically. 1703546;1503815169;ben_vulpes;honda was using throttle position to track course position, driver took a turn flat out, course tracker got confused and stopped delivering the electric aux power 1703547;1503815210;mircea_popescu;o.O 1703548;1503815231;mircea_popescu;how to get killed. 1703549;1503815243;ben_vulpes;computronium in the ice stack, why not 1703550;1503815332;ben_vulpes;(wctwm meets inane rulesets; i think the throttle-position tracker is because 'no gps') 1703551;1503815384;ben_vulpes;i say fuck it, i want a no-rules rally league and a no-rules f1 league and a highly doped gladiation i mean football league and fuck it let's outfit the brutes with weapons 1703552;1503815415;ben_vulpes;make sports probably lethal again 1703553;1503815476;mircea_popescu;for srs. 1703554;1503815582;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-26#189878 << we can therefore we must ? 1703555;1503815884;mircea_popescu;you gotta get your logger to read out your lines ben_vulpes 1703556;1503815959;mircea_popescu;also underline the item in log somehow, i have nfi which line on the bottom page of it this was. 1703557;1503815993;ben_vulpes;ah hm 1703558;1503816020;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703501 << wow lifer right there. lvl 60 night elf paladin! 1703559;1503816020;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:33 BingoBoingo: "At work, I’ve spaced out for 20 minutes at a time during meetings, daydreaming about committing violence, always righteously, in overly dramatic, obnoxiously heroic ways, with a very troubling overtone of white saviorism. In addition to saving the girls from a male predator with my brute strength and righteous rage, I’ve had another recurring fantasy of saving the passengers on a plane hijacked by “911-esque” terrorists." << OMG 1703560;1503816031;mircea_popescu;as close to being black as wigger can get. 1703561;1503816034;mircea_popescu;NIGHT elf see. 1703562;1503816044;mircea_popescu;it's dark for entirely different reasons altogether! 1703563;1503816191;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'twas a recommendation for your glossarus 1703564;1503816196;ben_vulpes;er, suggestion 1703565;1503816196;mircea_popescu;which ? 1703566;1503816206;ben_vulpes;"we can therefore we must" itself 1703567;1503816214;mircea_popescu;ah. 1703568;1503816219;mircea_popescu;but... not really a word, is it ? 1703569;1503816234;ben_vulpes;nope 1703570;1503816263;ben_vulpes;it is a very dense bit of variety speak though. 1703571;1503816269;mircea_popescu;could be companion piece, "index of ideas, notions and concepts". republican loci. 1703572;1503816332;ben_vulpes;mhm 1703573;1503816658;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-27#190041 << works in lynx/links, i am kinda loath to add js 1703574;1503816659;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-27 06:35 mircea_popescu: also underline the item in log somehow, i have nfi which line on the bottom page of it this was. 1703575;1503816663;mircea_popescu;ty 1703576;1503816669;mircea_popescu;nice deployment times huh 1703577;1503816673;ben_vulpes;well 1703578;1503816675;ben_vulpes;always did 1703579;1503816685;mircea_popescu;ah ah! right you are. 1703580;1503816740;ben_vulpes;null patch is best patch/steal from the best 1703581;1503816760;mircea_popescu;aha! 1703582;1503816966;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703505 << i am told a pantsuit once managed to get it up. somewhere. 1703583;1503816966;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:37 ben_vulpes: " I’ve been told that Antifa have physically fended off neo-Nazis who have attempted to enter people’s homes in raids in predominantly black neighborhoods." 1703584;1503816973;mircea_popescu;maybe in arizona. 1703585;1503817022;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703514 << definitionally antisemitic neh ? "tell semite he's caucasian. semite score -1." 1703586;1503817022;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:42 BingoBoingo: So, the big question: "Is it anti semitic to convice a J-double-O JOO that they are white? 1703587;1503817023;ben_vulpes;some day, one of these guys is going to figure out that women actually like to *get fucked* and *what they mean by that* and his head will explode 1703588;1503817041;mircea_popescu;i dunno, it's an even money toss. 1703589;1503817084;mircea_popescu;take today : so i was minding own business, owning casino at 5.5% edge table game of its choice / watching ancient dude from my generation hammer current dude, sort of eastwood vs edward norton fightoff. 1703590;1503817107;mircea_popescu;random whore somehow got aspirated by one of my girls, ended up sitting at our table, got drinks along with everyone else whenever rounds came. 1703591;1503817171;mircea_popescu;then the fight's over and she asks me what do we want to do. i dunno, whatever. at which point this chick, that's been throughout all subie, and very polite and everything points out that well, she;s working. 1703592;1503817188;mircea_popescu;so i'm like... then go work, why are you hanging around here for ? 1703593;1503817233;mircea_popescu;she's totally blown away by this, so i explain to her that she's a nice girl and all, but... what, i look like i need to pay ?! 1703594;1503817256;mircea_popescu;in her brain the idea was that you know, she's been anointed by the she-earth-goddes, all she's gotta do in this life is you know, sit there. 1703595;1503817281;mircea_popescu;she didn't get that idea from the locals. she got that idea interacting with the idiotic gringo retirees and watching cnn/twitter on her cellphone. 1703596;1503817346;mircea_popescu;so, to bring the roundabout story to its natural close : i expect there's A LOT of gringa chicas who earnestly imagine they got personally an' speshully shat out of the earth goddess' cunt, and all they're here for is to sit their ass down somewhere. aura of +money auto-on, passive skill, like some strange sort of weird she-paladin. 1703597;1503817444;mircea_popescu;cuz what do they do when working ? sitting behind a counter somewhere ? that's what, 1/3 of them ? and otherwise, sitting behind... a receptionist desk somewhere ? other third of them ? and otherwise... sitting in an office somewhere ? 99% of females "in the workforce" are "making money while they sit". 1703598;1503817468;mircea_popescu;it might come as a shock then that you know... there's THINGS TO DO in this world. like, other than sitting. 1703599;1503817482;mircea_popescu;"oh, you mean like travel, ie sitting in an aeroplane for a marathin 10 hour session ?" 1703600;1503817720;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703518 << you mean beyond the usual blackhole lulz ? 1703601;1503817720;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:45 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: any reason why syncing from 46.166.160.36 would be painfully slow? 1703602;1503817771;ben_vulpes;ah is that what i was seeing 1703603;1503817845;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703521 << word! original "la scandal e zero ; nu da cu pumnu', da mesaj". ie, "he's worthless in a fight, won't hit you with his fist, will hit you with an sms" 1703604;1503817845;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703503 << 'he'll email you his fist...' (tm)(r)(mircea_popescu) 1703605;1503817861;ben_vulpes;in the girl's defense, that's probably as much selling as she has to do with most gringos 1703606;1503817865;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes possibly. these issues are horribly notorious to debug, and i suspect not really worth it until we sparkle up the codebase. 1703607;1503817886;ben_vulpes;upstack, aspirate? 1703608;1503817907;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes but that's my point, isn't it. those guys are going to figure out... what ? that if you pay her 80 bux she'll sit on your cock instead of thew barstool ? hurray for figuring outs, wherever they may roam. 1703609;1503817921;mircea_popescu;aspirate, to suck in with air. 1703610;1503817926;mircea_popescu;vacuum cleanner = aspirator. 1703611;1503817938;ben_vulpes;aah, hoovered in accidentally? 1703612;1503817954;mircea_popescu;well, she got her own aura, neh ? 1703613;1503817962;mircea_popescu;"suck in lesser females +3, jealousy +1" 1703614;1503818004;ben_vulpes;inspire jealousy in lesser females carries its own +1 to hoovering them up, typically 1703615;1503818025;mircea_popescu;anyway. there isn't anyone that'd figure out anything ; but that's ok, principally because the world that'd have been figured out by better men is long gone anyway. 1703616;1503818050;mircea_popescu;you can't have cool females without cool males, what are they, martians ? female maturation occurs under male pressure. no pressure, everyone's a pedo and doesn't even know it, fucking 30yo 6yos. 1703617;1503818148;ben_vulpes;!!up tardigrade 1703618;1503818148;deedbot;tardigrade voiced for 30 minutes. 1703619;1503818182;tardigrade;Thanks Mr V. 1703620;1503818194;ben_vulpes;mhm, and who're you? 1703621;1503818456;ben_vulpes;lol don't blow your thirty minutes drafting an answer to that now 1703622;1503818493;tardigrade;a swamp dweller with a question. seems like the next Ver-ified and/or prb 'attack' on bitcoin is shaping up to be about fungibility and privacy. What trilema and log material is essential to understanding taint, fungibility, title etc? Yes sorry for slow. 1703623;1503818547;ben_vulpes;well there's the canonical "if you go on a fork you will lose your bitcoin" to start from 1703624;1503818645;ben_vulpes;i think 'taintedness' of coins with segshit is still open topic 1703625;1503818689;ben_vulpes;care to elaborate on privacy? 1703626;1503818695;tardigrade;and that's been great for holding anything off really. just don't fork. 1703627;1503818796;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: also had a piece on the costs of privacy that i'm failing to dig up atm, but basically bitcoin is not a protocol that has privacy baked into it at any level, and moreover privacy is very expensive and impractical in most cases anyways 1703628;1503818817;tardigrade;privacy: oh we must introduce mimblewimble to prb so the usg goons can't chase us (for our 1.234 btc holdings). because there's tile in bitcoin, you see - despite there not being 1703629;1503818851;tardigrade;*title 1703630;1503818873;ben_vulpes;it's just nonsense on the face of it; thermo-rectal cryptanalysis dun give a shit re mumblewhateverthefuck 1703631;1503818935;tardigrade;nonsense that they intend to drone on about for the next few years 1703632;1503818950;ben_vulpes;proving a case that someone holds btc is a construction that only serves to perpetuate the faith that proving things in usgistanti or any other fiat "legal" system matters 1703633;1503818978;ben_vulpes;if a power system can beat you for your btc, it'll do it regardless of "but i mamblewampled my buttcorns" 1703634;1503819017;tardigrade;ok thanks. fungibility: is there a trilema essay on that? 1703635;1503819044;ben_vulpes;expand on fungibility? 1703636;1503819074;ben_vulpes;otherwise http://lmgtfy.com/?q=taint+trilema comes to mind 1703637;1503819205;tardigrade;ain't no taint. rule no 1, I get it, I truly believe. aargh it's that just none of the prb lot do. it's exhausting. sorry to whine 1703638;1503819230;ben_vulpes;stop hanging out with retards? 1703639;1503819251;ben_vulpes;seriously, we have the hookers and blow over here. 1703640;1503819308;ben_vulpes;all sorts of other cool shit like hardware rngs and magnetically accelerated particle decay and low-cost high kinetic energy weaponry 1703641;1503819338;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : it is colder right now in san jose costa rica than it is in vladivostok 1703642;1503819349;mircea_popescu;and i don't mean a little colder. 17 vs 23 celsius, that's almost 10 f 1703643;1503819371;tardigrade;is too old for your company. prefer to troll fellow retards till death. but yes your shit is the shiz 1703644;1503819375;ben_vulpes;bitcoin exists, it is what it is, it ain't going anywhere or changing significantly, best to spend your cycles skating towards where the puck will be which are the death throes of the fiat socialist megastate 1703645;1503819446;ben_vulpes;eh we have a few codgers, dads and mums even, dunno what age has to do with anything 1703646;1503819660;tardigrade;is 79, so largely on borrowed time 1703647;1503819675;ben_vulpes;nowai and on irc and everything 1703648;1503819697;ben_vulpes;well then it's all the more precious! 1703649;1503819774;tardigrade;ofc you're right. need to rethink. thanks Mr V. 1703650;1503819832;ben_vulpes;gonna route your inheritance around the estate taxes in your local regime? 1703651;1503819909;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: mayweather turning around is pretty amusing 1703652;1503819937;ben_vulpes;irishman looks downright confused at getting the breakup call 1703653;1503819965;ben_vulpes;!!up tardigrade 1703654;1503819965;deedbot;tardigrade voiced for 30 minutes. 1703655;1503820091;tardigrade;got one nephew who's not a complete tard, and there'll be some rich tigers and snow leopards out there in a few years. the WWF will be like wtf 20 gazillion dolars 1703656;1503820150;ben_vulpes;"being of sound mind and body/i'm spending my money as fast as i can" 1703657;1503820301;tardigrade;is starstruck. best shuffle off. see you and thanks 1703658;1503820314;ben_vulpes;ttyl 1703659;1503820513;mircea_popescu;tardigrade> is 79, so largely on borrowed time <<< whoa check that out 1703660;1503820584;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the thing is, they do shit for prep these days. even i knew that's the fuck mayweather's KNOWN for. defense player, outlasted tyson. wtf. 1703661;1503820584;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dead link http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/#selection-135.79-139.1 1703662;1503820594;mircea_popescu;o.O lessee 1703663;1503820641;ben_vulpes;kinda hard to imagine any prep working to stand an mma guy up against a dood like mayweather 1703664;1503820696;mircea_popescu;ah ty, fixed. 1703665;1503820713;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dude is forty ffs. if your precious mma trainings can't help you beat up an old boxer, wtf was it for. 1703666;1503820714;ben_vulpes;like pitting some country yokel who's been menacing milkmaids with a rusty rod all five of his post-pubescent years against a gentleman trained to fight with you know anything at hand from birth 1703667;1503820728;mircea_popescu;mcgregor isn't like you know, man on the street nobody in teh mma world. 1703668;1503820736;ben_vulpes;not a good comparison, it's a boxing match not an mma brawl 1703669;1503820742;mircea_popescu;so ? 1703670;1503820775;ben_vulpes;no kicking, no grappling, that leaves you with 1/3rd of your training and a whole mess of rules to remember in the fight 1703671;1503820787;mircea_popescu;hence why gotta prep. 1703672;1503820839;mircea_popescu;"don't waste your energy sending strong jabs into this dude's block, his wrists are made for soaking up joules", for instance. 1703673;1503820866;mircea_popescu;"nevermind controlling the space with your right, he's not very aggressive. outflank him lots and lots and LOTS, he'll get dizy, not used to flankers" 1703674;1503820869;mircea_popescu;and so on and on. 1703675;1503820904;mircea_popescu;(to his credit he sorta did that, i've never seen so many jabs to the chuck in my life) 1703676;1503821047;ben_vulpes;also quite obviously missing the years of keeping his defense up 1703677;1503821480;mircea_popescu;anyway, pretty sure the match was made on the basis of, undefeated boxer meets largerst ppv draw in history. 1703678;1503840468;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2A62DFD5B677FF66899A8E546B66BCD3A4FBBF6C5F5056474B70CDF3E20B4E39 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1136...1469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.188.20.35 (ssh-rsa key from 187.188.20.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (fixed-187-188-20-35.totalplay.net. MX DIF) 1703679;1503840468;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/201311C2FC9D9B16991B62895A169BE9179AE8A8EC13E58423BC7DB573D4407E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1136...1469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.188.171.32 (ssh-rsa key from 187.188.171.32 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (fixed-187-188-171-32.totalplay.net. MX DIF) 1703680;1503840468;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED49B566A8C02328331EDA9E3B81F96FDE827E44385F6D94603ECE681A89F452 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1136...1469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.189.78.24 (ssh-rsa key from 187.189.78.24 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (fixed-187-189-78-24.totalplay.net. MX DIF) 1703681;1503840469;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/201311C2FC9D9B16991B62895A169BE9179AE8A8EC13E58423BC7DB573D4407E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1036...5869 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.188.171.32 (ssh-rsa key from 187.188.171.32 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (fixed-187-188-171-32.totalplay.net. MX DIF) 1703682;1503841549;shinohai;s/fixed/phucked/ 1703683;1503846593;asciilifeform;meanwhile, at the dept of the tired old shitoshi gambit, https://archive.is/c0lHG 1703684;1503846641;asciilifeform;'...he had deleted all the private keys linked to Satoshi, hoping to destroy any evidence of his role...' didjaknow. 1703685;1503846950;shinohai;At least Craig Wright's scheme ruined Gavin Andresen. 1703686;1503847466;asciilifeform;it did?! 1703687;1503847494;shinohai;Well at least in the eyes of teh power rangers 1703688;1503847626;asciilifeform;i admit to not having carefully followed the motion of sewer rats : who is pushing the shitnessforq, if not gavin ? 1703689;1503847648;asciilifeform;( who took over as chief prbist? ) 1703690;1503847717;shinohai;Seems to be the Peter Wuille and lukejr show these days .... the segwit(less) saviors 1703691;1503847989;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, asciilifeform finally saw the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699386 film 1703692;1503847989;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 19:33 mircea_popescu: a, great film. anyway, summary : dude (ie, inept manchild) and actual cowboy compete for cunt. the cunt is indescribably dumb (really, just mouthpiece for ideological choices of author), picks dude. 1703693;1503848000;asciilifeform;was exactly as mircea_popescu described. 1703694;1503848038;asciilifeform;but i gotta disagree that the chix was unrealistic. she is exactly realistic, and that's how 'the west was lost'. 1703695;1503848116;asciilifeform;( interestingly, we don't get shown which 'derealization' exactly the 'tru man' character ends up descending into. left to imagination. ) 1703696;1503848836;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703573 << dun have to be js, could happen on server side ( date goes in url, naturally; box returns pre-highlighted htm ) 1703697;1503848836;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 06:50 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-27#190041 << works in lynx/links, i am kinda loath to add js 1703698;1503848836;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-27 06:35 mircea_popescu: also underline the item in log somehow, i have nfi which line on the bottom page of it this was. 1703699;1503849578;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703637 << see also: >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579086 1703700;1503849578;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 07:33 tardigrade: ain't no taint. rule no 1, I get it, I truly believe. aargh it's that just none of the prb lot do. it's exhausting. sorry to whine 1703701;1503849578;a111;Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: man in a nuthouse. he cowers in the corner, won't let anyone come near, in very odd pose. finally the d00dz in white coats come. they ask: 1703702;1503853681;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> tardigrade> is 79, so largely on borrowed time <<< whoa check that out << I like this guy. 1703703;1503853735;mod6;tardigrade: When you're up to it, stop on back - make a key, get in the WoT. Till then, cheers! 1703704;1503859583;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703682 >> wait what ? 1703705;1503859583;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 13:45 shinohai: s/fixed/phucked/ 1703706;1503860268;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703691 << bottom of the barrel usgtronics. 1703707;1503860268;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 15:33 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, asciilifeform finally saw the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699386 film 1703708;1503861279;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703683 << you know you're the ~only reader of that sort of inane crap ? 1703709;1503861279;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 15:09 asciilifeform: meanwhile, at the dept of the tired old shitoshi gambit, https://archive.is/c0lHG 1703710;1503861297;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703704 <<< I was lampooning the phuctorings above my statement, from `fixed-187-188-171-32.totalplay.net` 1703711;1503861297;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 18:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703682 >> wait what ? 1703712;1503861323;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703689 << entirely korean nonsense, wanna-be ra ra ra almost like china! some local xapo guy sold them on it. 1703713;1503861323;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 15:27 asciilifeform: ( who took over as chief prbist? ) 1703714;1503861339;mircea_popescu;recall the "neobee will make cyprus matter" lulz ? same exact scotland-goes-to-darien gambit. 1703715;1503861352;mircea_popescu;shinohai oh oh i thoughjt i fucked up the link ben_vulpes pointed out. 1703716;1503861377;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703694 << what is realistic mean here ? "retrospectively historically accurate in the abstract" ? 1703717;1503861377;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 15:33 asciilifeform: but i gotta disagree that the chix was unrealistic. she is exactly realistic, and that's how 'the west was lost'. 1703718;1503861504;*;shinohai thinks "Phucked" might be an honourable mention for http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-and-improved-republican-glossaurus/ 1703719;1503861571;shinohai;"The state one finds their machine in after having their ssh key factored by s.nsa" 1703720;1503861616;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703695 << to quote the definitive formulation of this particular bit of post ww2 new-us-soviet propaganda (delivered by cagney in the roaring twenties), "there's a new kind of setup you don't understand. guys don't go tearing things apart like we used to. people try to build things up. that's what lloyd's trying to do. in this new setup... you and me don't belong." 1703721;1503861616;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 15:35 asciilifeform: ( interestingly, we don't get shown which 'derealization' exactly the 'tru man' character ends up descending into. left to imagination. ) 1703722;1503861630;mircea_popescu;and by "things" they of course mean the bezzle. 1703723;1503863135;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703706 << cringed, 'statehood! demooocracy! evil cattle barons!' 1703724;1503863135;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 18:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703691 << bottom of the barrel usgtronics. 1703725;1503863165;mircea_popescu;whatever, cuntsourced tabloids. 1703726;1503863262;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703708 << i inevitably run into these when searching for prb-related docs / discussion ( currently in re recent lulzforq ) 1703727;1503863262;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 19:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703683 << you know you're the ~only reader of that sort of inane crap ? 1703728;1503863277;mircea_popescu;now why do you think that is. 1703729;1503863289;asciilifeform;for obvious reason 1703730;1503863316;mircea_popescu;i similarily always end up with marx ziggler stuff when looking for socialist related docs. 1703731;1503863365;asciilifeform;i still have nfi who is or was ziggler, and fully intend to carry on not knowing, if possible 1703732;1503863403;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703714 << slept through cyprus derp and fully intend to sleep through current reincarnation or whichever 1703733;1503863403;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 19:15 mircea_popescu: recall the "neobee will make cyprus matter" lulz ? same exact scotland-goes-to-darien gambit. 1703734;1503863452;asciilifeform;( incidentally whatever happened to thickasthieves..? jail or notyet) 1703735;1503863488;mircea_popescu;i expect one of the smarter kids, figured out he doesn't meet table stakes and retired early. 1703736;1503863550;asciilifeform;iirc was spotted in prb chat , harping re evil ol' mp&co, as recently as april 1703737;1503863563;mircea_popescu;this would be proof neh ? 1703738;1503863595;asciilifeform;not quite what i picture as 'retired', but nfi 1703739;1503863619;mircea_popescu;isn't that exactly what retires means ? give up any actual involvement to focus on verbiage instead ? 1703740;1503863643;asciilifeform;i thought it meant 'focus on the beach' 1703741;1503863684;mircea_popescu;tell you what : people who can get it up get it up, and fuck the whores. people who wait for preconditions still can't get it up even should the specifically-chosen-to-be-unsatisfiable preconditions somehow magically got satisfied. 1703742;1503863705;mircea_popescu;so no. retirement as in the beach is for 25 yo mp, who retires because he feels like it not because he's not got another option. 1703743;1503863760;asciilifeform;tat wasn't exactly gorbachev, retiring to his knee pain and pizza ads 1703744;1503863770;asciilifeform;d00d was, what, 40? 1703745;1503863771;mircea_popescu;how not ? 1703746;1503863792;mircea_popescu;nah, young fellow, 20s. 1703747;1503863830;asciilifeform;hm, odd, i seem to recall thinking 'old' 1703748;1503863843;mircea_popescu;wasn't my impression 1703749;1503863843;asciilifeform;and i sat next to him on a plane, no less 1703750;1503864073;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703716 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688051 1703751;1503864073;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 19:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703694 << what is realistic mean here ? "retrospectively historically accurate in the abstract" ? 1703752;1503864073;a111;Logged on 2017-07-21 02:15 mircea_popescu: and they existed very much because ro girls, unlike russki stupid cunts, did NOT perceive themselves at some kind of liberty to not whore up for the gangster class. 1703753;1503864099;mircea_popescu;im not really familiar enough with the west to say ; but i expect this is simply not true. 1703754;1503864104;mircea_popescu;unless you mean frisco. 1703755;1503864146;asciilifeform;i have deeply nfi whether the chix are simply weathervane, or make weather 1703756;1503864159;asciilifeform;must leave this quandary to mircea_popescu 1703757;1503864199;mircea_popescu;not even it ; but the western woman was a hardy beast of burden, such as men properly gave them the vote in oregon. 1703758;1503864217;mircea_popescu;the stupid cunt universally depicted in movies comes from the boston common, a one square mile area of little distinction. 1703759;1503864218;asciilifeform;( did they go with the castratos , indoor plumbing, 'statehood!!1!' because 'lume se schimba', or vice versa ) 1703760;1503864553;mircea_popescu;ie, this ridiculous retrospective rewriting of old west history whereby "the women" were somehow trying to make tombstone into cambridge (a ridiculous pile of pretense perhaps best exemplified by "ride a crooked trail") is just that : ridiculous retrospective rewriting. earlier bout of the whole "what happened ain't what happened ; what happened is what jew said happened". 1703761;1503864650;asciilifeform;that much is obvious ( though ~somebody~ turned it into cambridge. who? ) 1703762;1503864671;mircea_popescu;it, which it. frisco ? or the west ? 1703763;1503864700;asciilifeform;frisco most visibly to naked eye 1703764;1503864835;mircea_popescu;and only. 1703765;1503864849;mircea_popescu;the place was fucked from day one, as far as anyone knows. there was no point when it belonged among humanity. 1703766;1503866014;mircea_popescu;anyway. old blues (such as you may enter via say for the south-west fitzgerald, or for plain west joplin say) is probably a better path into late 1800/very early 1900s as far as the territories go. 1703767;1503866402;mircea_popescu;but in any case prolly safe to say that the problems of the westerners were solitude, and inferiorty complex v-a-v majesty of nature. couldn't give less of a shit re "problems of society" for lack of one, or any desire for one. certainly the women had the healthy "if there's a cock i'm sticking in into me" attitude. 1703768;1503871867;mircea_popescu;since ben_vulpes linked http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/#footnote_3_52853 i suppose it's time to edit that footnote to link to http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ ? 1703769;1503871871;*;mircea_popescu is kinda lazy 1703770;1503873271;mircea_popescu;o btw, speaking of yest fight. guess who bought advertising asciilifeform ? 1703771;1503873508;mircea_popescu;teh very respectable southern poverty law center. and i bet you bitcoin to donuts they didn't actually pay jack for it, either. 1703772;1503875044;asciilifeform;lol!! 1703773;1503875330;*;asciilifeform has never prev. seen an ad for subj 1703774;1503876223;mircea_popescu;me either. 1703775;1503880416;mircea_popescu;and in today's ancient trilemas : http://trilema.com/2012/martipan/ 1703776;1503880441;mircea_popescu;who can afford to pound a pound of almond seeds into fine dust by hand ? teh sultan of swing, and him only! 1703777;1503883556;*;shinohai loves fucking marzipan 1703778;1503883573;mircea_popescu;oya 1703779;1503883581;mircea_popescu;eating it also good. 1703780;1503884421;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1703781;1503884437;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4290.0, vol: 4577.66314672 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4298.9, vol: 12288.98927052 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4311.158, vol: 2503.54137687 | Volume-weighted last average: 4298.38101749 1703782;1503885436;mircea_popescu;and in other "home office is best office" guides, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ac21e5bf41f4ee43aef29dc046ad9ec2/tumblr_nyj516xJT41uco4pdo1_500.gif 1703783;1503885722;BingoBoingo;"Big Ron had Sensei Steve and I out to watch the big fight, in which we all cheered for the white man in the ring—Floyd Mayweather." >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8775 1703784;1503885729;mircea_popescu;heh 1703785;1503886121;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/haft/2/ http://oglaf.com/scroll-work/ 1703786;1503886591;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha. seems rather exactly the pantsuit next play. 1703787;1503886641;BingoBoingo;Anyways, apparently the Orchard has pushed Stormfront offline now. 1703788;1503886671;mircea_popescu;which one was stormfront again ? 1703789;1503886767;danielpbarron;white nationalist website kicked off tor, should be someone incoming to channel re: this 1703790;1503886791;mircea_popescu;lol wait what, "kicked off tor" ? isn't that what tor's for ? 1703791;1503886815;danielpbarron;apparently tor is only for hiding pedophiles 1703792;1503886816;mircea_popescu;anyway, they should write to google. iirc they are now hosting kerbs on their "totally not for bloggers" shared server, what's another one. 1703793;1503886837;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron such lulz. "oh, it's totally not a honeypot". really ? 1703794;1503887152;BingoBoingo; which one was stormfront again ? << The forum for which the Weev Daily Stormer was named, but no relation 1703795;1503887174;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Wait, more kicking off of things? 1703796;1503887220;danielpbarron;i don't wanna spoil the surprise just yet. let's see if she shows up 1703797;1503887331;mircea_popescu;wait, what ? 1703798;1503887345;BingoBoingo;A SHE! 1703799;1503887372;*;mircea_popescu looks through the list of forgotten boxen 1703800;1503893541;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1703801;1503893543;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 482307 | Current Difficulty: 8.88171856257E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 483839 | Next Difficulty In: 1532 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, 57 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1703802;1503893816;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F56C06F50CA642FFEBE26155AE8715AA520DB5DA7D3F85021F43866AA14E1F69 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1021...0923 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.109.28.51 (ssh-rsa key from 91.109.28.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (s445.deinprovider.de. DE) 1703803;1503893816;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F56C06F50CA642FFEBE26155AE8715AA520DB5DA7D3F85021F43866AA14E1F69 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1220...4639 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.109.28.51 (ssh-rsa key from 91.109.28.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (s445.deinprovider.de. DE) 1703804;1503895406;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C376A7AC72465727A5D5ECC12B096A812963EAEDD5896FD486D55178BA749249 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1367...8667 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.162.8.196 (ssh-rsa key from 207.162.8.196 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CA QC) 1703805;1503895406;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C376A7AC72465727A5D5ECC12B096A812963EAEDD5896FD486D55178BA749249 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1592...9353 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.162.8.196 (ssh-rsa key from 207.162.8.196 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CA QC) 1703806;1503895747;mircea_popescu;neinprovider 1703807;1503896420;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: dude scrollwork 1703808;1503896423;ben_vulpes;we're dying over here 1703809;1503896480;ben_vulpes;$girl in further stitches over panel seven of haft 1703810;1503896484;ben_vulpes;"this woman is a treasure" 1703811;1503896512;mircea_popescu;oglaf author ? totally. 1703812;1503908625;mircea_popescu;and speaking of satisfied adult women, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d8e4b46963d6b6d59cbd75901616b80c/tumblr_nmrks14w1M1revz5to1_500.gif 1703813;1503930666;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703794 << i thought it was named for the obvious, der sturmer 1703814;1503930666;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 02:25 BingoBoingo: which one was stormfront again ? << The forum for which the Weev Daily Stormer was named, but no relation 1703815;1503933196;shinohai; https://twitter.com/LukeDashjr/status/901920245446832129 1703816;1503933207;shinohai;lulzy 1703817;1503936982;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'What's the latest on Mircea? I've not heard about him in a while.' 'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins. I don't pay much attention to them though.' << didjaknow ! 1703818;1503937113;shinohai;Some people shouldn't be allowed to think. 1703819;1503937125;asciilifeform;i dun see any thinking in there 1703820;1503937584;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gy3K7/?raw=true 1703821;1503937584;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1703822;1503941419;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ack 1703823;1503948602;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/n1IbD >> 'The training of today’s SWOs was further eroded by the Pentagon’s focus on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Before 2010, many Navy officers who were expected to learn on the job were not on ships at all. During critical times in their professional development, they were taken away from their ships and sent to serve as individual augmentees with soldiers and Marines fighting in land-bas 1703824;1503948602;asciilifeform;ed operations.' 1703825;1503949226;BingoBoingo;Now that's Qntra worthy 1703826;1503950622;asciilifeform;in other noose, https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity17/sec17-tang.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gw8Sr/?raw=true << ever wonder what 'power management' controller is actually for ? ( answer: fault injection, so nsa can help your, e.g., chineseremaindertheorem-using rsatron, shit out privkey ) 1703827;1503951088;asciilifeform;!!up kanzure 1703828;1503951088;deedbot;kanzure voiced for 30 minutes. 1703829;1503951113;kanzure;greetings 1703830;1503951134;kanzure;where precisely do i go to pitch mircea on eugenics 2.0? 1703831;1503951154;asciilifeform;here. when he wakes up. 1703832;1503951165;kanzure;alright well that's lame. 1703833;1503951175;asciilifeform;or you can speak now and he'll read the logz and maybe answer. 1703834;1503951176;kanzure;i have begun to master the art of sleeptyping so sleep is no longer an inconvenience 1703835;1503951187;asciilifeform;kanzure: logs, incidentally, live at http://btcbase.org/log and elsewhere. 1703836;1503951202;kanzure;yeah maybe not appropriate for public logs at the moment 1703837;1503951227;asciilifeform;i'll also warn that neither mp nor most of the folks here, engage in 'private' conversation with folx they do not know. 1703838;1503951242;kanzure;should i be hurt that he doesn't know me? 1703839;1503951310;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/exposed-us-navy-officer-corps-not-very-good-at-boating/ << Qntra - Exposed: US Navy Officer Corps Not Very Good At Boating 1703840;1503951320;asciilifeform;i can't speak for him, but i only very vaguely know you, kanzure , through n-th degree meatspace . 1703841;1503951359;BingoBoingo;kanzure: What's the worst that happens if you pitch in a public log? 1703842;1503951376;kanzure;basically i sat down and tried to figure out what is the most controversial idea i could possibly construct 1703843;1503951388;kanzure;i am proposing an aggressive timeline like 100 designer baby genomes by 2030 and then 1 million designer babies by 2045 1703844;1503951407;kanzure;here's some background on plausible modifications that are aleady well known http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications/ 1703845;1503951541;kanzure;so i guess to answer your question, ethnic cleansings? 1703846;1503951568;asciilifeform;re the linked piece, i'm not satisfied with the direction of the causal arrow having been established 1703847;1503951604;kanzure;well in many cases the mutations listed on that page have not been documented (on that page) as impacting positively or negatively. so the document should not be considered a definitive lookup table. 1703848;1503951628;kanzure;and also the effect size is minimal in many cases. 1703849;1503951747;asciilifeform;picture if some martian got a hold of a number of pc and gave them same treatment as the geneticists : 'mov rar, [ecx + ebx] at 0x40000000 associated with 0.5% increased memory allocator performance !!1111' 1703850;1503951756;asciilifeform;*rax 1703851;1503951782;asciilifeform;but somehow same thing does not appear ridiculous to literate folx, when done in meat ?? 1703852;1503951786;kanzure;yes a lot of biology is stupid i'm not sure what your concern is 1703853;1503951804;asciilifeform;concern is that literally the entire document linked earlier, is ~content-free 1703854;1503951809;BingoBoingo;lol, this is their take on a common mutation: "The polymorphisms rs1800497 and rs2283265 (also known as the Taq1a polymorphism) near the dopamine receptor 2 (DRD2) gene are associated with improvements during working memory training. (rs1800497(C;C) better avoidance of errors). However this polymorphism comes with serious tradeoffs: antisocial, borderline, dissocial, and avoidant personality disorders, addictive and impulsive behaviors s 1703855;1503951809;BingoBoingo;uch as binge eating, pathological gambling, and drug abuse. (more)" 1703856;1503951819;asciilifeform;and that we know jack shit re the effects of the loci UNTIL SOMEBODY TOGGLES'EM AT WILL 1703857;1503951830;asciilifeform;in man 1703858;1503951832;kanzure;yes well online interactive toggling is also a possible thing 1703859;1503951845;asciilifeform;lolwat 1703860;1503951849;kanzure;anyway, you don't need to focus merely on small mutations, you can also voluntarily delete chunks of chromosomes or whatever 1703861;1503951870;kanzure;optogenetics is one way of interactive toggle (usuaully using neuronal receptors but there are other techniques such as light-sensitive cas9/recombinases/etc) 1703862;1503951870;asciilifeform;this happens ordinarily, neh 1703863;1503951898;asciilifeform;so far the volume of ~interesting~ result with meaningful pvalue, is -- afaik -- 0 1703864;1503951929;asciilifeform;which suggests that ~whole field consisted of 1 part 1980s tech ( largely working on ecoli ) to 99 parts hypolade. 1703865;1503951945;kanzure;wwc1 t/t carriers tend have >19% improvement in working memory performance 1703866;1503951963;asciilifeform;people over 2 metres tall, same 1703867;1503951970;asciilifeform;but where is the causative link ? 1703868;1503951979;kanzure;also, i am part of hgp-write (basically human genome project 2.0) one of our projects is removing 7 codons from the genome to render human biology impervious to all existing viruses. 1703869;1503951987;kanzure;where's your "causual link" now 1703870;1503951993;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/hgp-write/2016-05-10/ultra-safe-cell-line/ 1703871;1503952002;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/hgp-write/2016-05-10/synthesizing-a-prototrophic-human-genome/ 1703872;1503952011;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/hgp-write/2016-05-10/recoding-ecoli-to-57-codons/ 1703873;1503952039;asciilifeform;this was worked as ancient sf plot : breed 'nonvirusable' folx, then plaguenuke everybody else 1703874;1503952048;asciilifeform;i suspect -- difficult to reduce to practice. 1703875;1503952057;kanzure;well there's some ecoli results for you. 1703876;1503952115;asciilifeform;very, very easy, to make $tech work on... paper. 1703877;1503952124;kanzure;ecoli is an actual biology 1703878;1503952128;kanzure;thanks for playing 1703879;1503952140;asciilifeform;even ecoli is picky 1703880;1503952144;*;BingoBoingo suggests sticking to the basics. P53 overexpression, Myostatin inhibition, and let the dice go on everything else 1703881;1503952178;asciilifeform;kanzure: i and ~50 other folx, lost jobs, because it proved ~impossible to persistently force $valuableprotein secretion in ecoli 1703882;1503952204;asciilifeform;for our particular value of $protein 1703883;1503952208;kanzure;pore secretion? 1703884;1503952250;asciilifeform;kanzure: objective was to economically make (by the kg) a (modified) butyrylcholinesterase 1703885;1503952280;asciilifeform;( this is in the l0gz somewhere, ancient thread , if you give a damn ) 1703886;1503952292;kanzure;i read all logs everywhere. it's sort of my thing. 1703887;1503952315;asciilifeform;at any rate, if kanzure knows how to make, e.g., transgenic muscle men, or thicker bone, etc. he should not settle for small change, go, make 1703888;1503952323;asciilifeform;the money bathtubs await 1703889;1503952340;asciilifeform;and learn chinese. 1703890;1503952354;kanzure;well i was thinking about just going for the heart of the whole thing (designer genomes/eugenics) and go after those bathtubs 1703891;1503952365;asciilifeform;1st step, as i understand : chinese. 1703892;1503952373;kanzure;jihan has been quite friendly so far 1703893;1503952377;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/ << Trilema - The Day of Failure Trilemma 1703894;1503952383;asciilifeform;i have nfi who is jihan 1703895;1503952388;kanzure;just some guy it doesn't matter 1703896;1503952421;asciilifeform;oh here he is! 1703897;1503952432;shinohai; asciilifeform: He is one of Roger Ver's Chinese muppets 1703898;1503952459;mircea_popescu;i got a fucking headache. 1703899;1503952483;mircea_popescu;wassup 1703900;1503952489;kanzure;i don't know any hereditary magic tricks to eliminate headaches but that should be doable. 1703901;1503952509;kanzure;first you have to kill everyone who has ever had a headache... 1703902;1503952521;mircea_popescu;don't be ridiculous, it's cocktail flu. 1703903;1503952550;mircea_popescu;well, unless i am actually coming down with something. 1703904;1503952561;*;shinohai recommends 2 excederin and a bottle or 3 of Gatorade .... 1703905;1503952578;mircea_popescu;the problem with hanging out with sluts is well known to soccer moms. kids are fine, you're fucking dead. 1703906;1503952604;mircea_popescu;shinohai if i lived in a jivilized country with jews in it i'd just have some cabbage juice. sadly, no cellars here. too hot, too wet. 1703907;1503952658;shinohai;"Cabbage Jewz" 1703908;1503952669;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: large peltier with drain hose ~cured my 'too hot, too wet' 1703909;1503952672;asciilifeform;might work foryou also. 1703910;1503952699;mircea_popescu;i guess. there's an inch of soil and under that basalt, you understand. there's a reason jungle soil is poor -- all of it gets washed into ocean. 1703911;1503952739;mircea_popescu;and in other shit i will now randombly whine about : i bought these coasters, right ? cuz i was in some random mall picking up some chick and we went in an "upscale" libreria and well, i dunno, i impulse bought some fucking coasters. she thought they were expensive. 1703912;1503952782;asciilifeform;they were golden, or wat 1703913;1503952790;mircea_popescu;here's the problems with "expensive, upscale" coasters : they're not a square of cut up cork, like you'd expect if they were you know, uncivilised, unglamorous, un-internet-of-things orcfare. no. they're a thin strip of cork glued to cardboard with some shiny drawings on top. 1703914;1503952806;mircea_popescu;cuz i TOTALLY need pretty colorful pictures on my fucking coasters, lest my brain turns off or some shit. 1703915;1503952807;*;asciilifeform actually has some gold coasters. ( they're dud mitsui cd-r, gold, yes ! ) 1703916;1503952822;mircea_popescu;now : the sheen on the top adheres to wet glasses, which in this climate is ALL of them. so you get floating coasters. 1703917;1503952832;mircea_popescu;AND the dumbass cardboard gets destroyed by water. 1703918;1503952833;kanzure;about to get unvoiced i think. could someone offer mircea_popescu a link to the right place in the logs for the eugenics war. 1703919;1503952851;asciilifeform;kanzure: you got 10min or so, why not let's have it ? 1703920;1503952859;asciilifeform;what've you got ? 1703921;1503952863;kanzure;oh my god i am bad at math 1703922;1503952864;mircea_popescu;THIS is what your money's fucking buying omfg, "i live in the country so i can spend 80k a year on renting a cardboard box and have nice coasters which are worse than a fucking pile of dried goat shit" 1703923;1503952879;mircea_popescu;kanzure i read the logs anyway. 1703924;1503952886;kanzure;wait my math is fine 1703925;1503952896;mircea_popescu;lol 1703926;1503952898;mircea_popescu;!!up kanzure 1703927;1503952898;deedbot;kanzure voiced for 30 minutes. 1703928;1503952903;kanzure;fuckers 1703929;1503952952;asciilifeform;tempus fugit.. 1703930;1503952989;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703817 << ahaha what is this dumb shit ? 1703931;1503952989;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 16:16 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'What's the latest on Mircea? I've not heard about him in a while.' 'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins. I don't pay much attention to them though.' << didjaknow ! 1703932;1503952998;asciilifeform;kanzure: mike w promised myostatin inhibitor to me in 2007 !!1111 where is it ?! 1703933;1503953009;mircea_popescu;really, "i wonder what happened to the clouds, i've not been out of basement for a decade, poor clouds, they must be faring poorly" 1703934;1503953023;kanzure;asciilifeform: i have someone else working on a very similar project these days. it's in progress. 1703935;1503953033;kanzure;asciilifeform: turns out you have to actually pay people to do things 1703936;1503953053;asciilifeform;evidently that ain't enough, or, e.g., software would work 1703937;1503953066;asciilifeform;( picture if programmers were only paid for ~working~ soft... ) 1703938;1503953090;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703832 << what's so lame about it ? 1703939;1503953090;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:12 kanzure: alright well that's lame. 1703940;1503953116;kanzure;lame about sleep? 1703941;1503953146;kanzure;it's hell of a way to spend one's life, that's all. 1703942;1503953149;mircea_popescu;oh, that's what you meant. 1703943;1503953157;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703842 << why ? 1703944;1503953157;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:16 kanzure: basically i sat down and tried to figure out what is the most controversial idea i could possibly construct 1703945;1503953163;kanzure;one of the genetic changes i have proposed is something that seems to cause 4-5 hours/night to be sufficient rest 1703946;1503953191;kanzure;mircea_popescu: well actually the origin of the idea is that i am interested in genome engineering and human enhancement technology. but i also recognize that controversy is necessary to bring attention and funding. 1703947;1503953195;mircea_popescu;ah come on, designer baby purse, seriously ? 1703948;1503953217;asciilifeform;kanzure: realize that your entire corpus of 'knowledge' is of approx same grade as 'get married, grow taller!' 1703949;1503953225;mircea_popescu;i take it you don't know you never read http://trilema.com/2016/i-am-firmly-against-universal-franchise/ ? and don't know you should have read it ? and so on ? 1703950;1503953295;kanzure;mircea_popescu: correct. i've looked at it just now but i don't see how it changes anything. shouldn't you prefer people to be hard workers, even if they can't own property? 1703951;1503953306;mircea_popescu;kanzure the model whereby you "attract funding" for "your idea" is fundamentally broken. i don't mean a little broken, i mean fundamentally broken -- it makes it impossible to actually have an idea, which is why your "attempt to find the most controversial conceivable notion" ended up with "what bit of fashionable nonsense could i waste my life with in the optimisitc but ultimately baseless hope it'll be worthy my or anyone's 1703952;1503953306;mircea_popescu; time". 1703953;1503953320;mircea_popescu;kanzure read the whole thing. 1703954;1503953328;mircea_popescu;it gets to a ~functioning~ model for designer babies. 1703955;1503953329;kanzure;what if i claim that i'm illiterate 1703956;1503953344;mircea_popescu;no, i get it, you want to single play the WoWoW. 1703957;1503953351;kanzure;i'm looking i'm looking. 1703958;1503953408;BingoBoingo; don't be ridiculous, it's cocktail flu. << The doctor prescribes Bloody Mary x2 1703959;1503953445;kanzure;mircea_popescu: i disagree with your evaluation of whether it's a waste of time, or that it is fashionable in the least. i simply recognize the value of controversy. 1703960;1503953458;kanzure;and the controversy stuff is a tacky add-on, i'll admit. 1703961;1503953467;mircea_popescu;aite. 1703962;1503953479;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you ever had the cabbage juice btw ? 1703963;1503953488;kanzure;i haven't internalized your post completely so i'm not sure what you are expecting me to extract from it. 1703964;1503953519;mircea_popescu;kanzure do you understand how current "genetic engineering" works ? specifically why it's done to corn not sheep ? 1703965;1503953541;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the way you make this is that in a dry and cold cellar you emplace a tun, 100 liters say. then fill it with whole cabbages. then add brine and some spices. then let it sit a few months. 1703966;1503953550;mircea_popescu;!~google "moare de varza" 1703967;1503953552;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Explozie de SANATATE in zeama de varza . Bolile care pot fi tratate ...: ; Zeama de varză murată - 3 motive să o bei - CSID: ; Varza murată şi beneficiile ei uimitoare pentru organism - (1 more message) 1703968;1503953554;kanzure;i understand many aspects of genetic engineering. i also understand why mammalian projects are more complex. 1703969;1503953564;mircea_popescu;kanzure as to the question asked specifically. 1703970;1503953591;kanzure;it's done to many mammals i'm not sure about sheep specifically. why would sheep matter? 1703971;1503953603;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Never had the cabbage juice. Twas a big fan of curing hangovers with moar booze 1703972;1503953622;mircea_popescu;sigh. alright, here, let me give you a primer on genetics as a tehcnological consideration, so you can impress the "what happened to mp" ass-up-buttholes with your transcendental scholarship. 1703973;1503953654;kanzure;they actually know nothing about you 1703974;1503953668;kanzure;it's sort of weird. i asked and their answer was "he's angry". i am pretty sure they are idiots. 1703975;1503953670;mircea_popescu;so, originally genetic experiments were carried out on mammals, hence dolly the cloned sheep. it rapidly became obvious that the only available tech ("throw shit at wall, maybe something sticks") is a terrible fit for the complexity of mammals, and there's absolutely no hope of obtaining iondustrially usable results this generation there. 1703976;1503953704;kanzure;yes there are many tools that are necessary to make progress, such as order-of-magnitude cheaper dna assembly and synthesis technologies. 1703977;1503953722;mircea_popescu;so effort was instead moved to plants, which are three degrees of magnitude simpler. there, the approach works, you blast a square mile worth of soy with random nonsense and then select the few plants still standing. which is how the whole "glycosate-resistent" craze started : it's not DESIGNER plants. 1703978;1503953725;kanzure;my technique of favor at the moment is inkjet-based synthesis, a writeup is here but it's a well-known technique http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/synthesis/notes/ 1703979;1503953739;kanzure;yes i am aware of mutagenesis and selection techniques 1703980;1503953740;mircea_popescu;it's plants which have been selected for the only hopefully-economically-useful trait available. which is already a very distant push. 1703981;1503953753;kanzure;my preferences regarding selective breeding are documented here with some project proposals http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/2017-02-03-beacon.pdf 1703982;1503953767;mircea_popescu;well so if you're familiar why don't you answer when asked. 1703983;1503953776;kanzure;i have no idea how to speak with you 1703984;1503953781;mircea_popescu;this is a problem. 1703985;1503953800;kanzure;many would consider the illiteracy to be the primary problem 1703986;1503953814;mircea_popescu;back on topic : you know what uncanny valley is ? 1703987;1503953823;kanzure;yea. the thing where people care what looks real. 1703988;1503953858;mircea_popescu;the thing where getting a "designer baby" be 99.9999% identical to an actual baby makes it less tolerable than a 99% or 80% similar result ; and not a little less tolerable, EXTREMELY intolerable. 1703989;1503953876;mircea_popescu;in other words : you don't have the technology to even dare hope you may create one monster per million tries. what designer babies ? 1703990;1503953893;kanzure;i agree that the technology is missing. it should be built. 1703991;1503953900;mircea_popescu;this is not how technology is built. 1703992;1503953914;mircea_popescu;the "We did it reddit" dork got pounded saturday, did you watch the fight ? 1703993;1503953922;kanzure;nah 1703994;1503953970;mircea_popescu;anyways. did you happen to read say http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#footnote_4_71619 ? 1703995;1503953984;mircea_popescu;technology isn't "built" in that sense, from outside. 1703996;1503954027;kanzure;outside of what 1703997;1503954033;asciilifeform;from outside of yer own two hands. 1703998;1503954037;asciilifeform;with which you build things. 1703999;1503954049;kanzure;i would argue there is a knowledge component. 1704000;1503954072;kanzure;i am not really sure how your epistemology works 1704001;1503954075;asciilifeform;i did say 'two hands', not 'four hooves', neh 1704002;1503954110;mircea_popescu;kanzure the idea is that there's entirely no relation between shoulding and tech building. whether it should or shouldn't, it'll go at the same rate. 1704003;1503954122;mircea_popescu;science, research, technology are not political outputs. they are political inputs. 1704004;1503954141;kanzure;you know maaku's apoliticalism right? 1704005;1503954149;mircea_popescu;not as such. link ? 1704006;1503954160;kanzure;nah no links. he just has a deep hatred of politics. 1704007;1503954172;kanzure;i don't think he's written about it 1704008;1503954176;mircea_popescu;(i have a very deep dislike for modern derps putting their name on things, though.) 1704009;1503954189;*;asciilifeform never once heard of a maaku 1704010;1503954191;kanzure;((but since you knew bitcoin people i thought you would know, but w/e, it doesn't matter.)) 1704011;1503954197;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's no dislike here. just the factual matter. 1704012;1503954205;BingoBoingo; you know maaku's apoliticalism right? << BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH A clash of who remembers/knows who with predictabru results 1704013;1503954246;mircea_popescu;kanzure my survey of the online world mostly happens in the sense intel prepares summaries which i sometimes read, but generally looking for a laugh. 1704014;1503954269;kanzure;i agree that should or shouldn't doesn't factor into it, but rate does change with intellectual effort 1704015;1503954275;mircea_popescu;no such thing. 1704016;1503954282;kanzure;unless you're fucking eliezer yudzilla 1704017;1503954286;kanzure;in which case you don't get anything done 1704018;1503954289;asciilifeform;kanzure: civ1 lied to you: there ain't such a thing as a 'money to discovery converter' you can shovel freshly-printed benjies into, and get transgenic mighty man out 1704019;1503954290;mircea_popescu;it changes with intellectual ~discipline~. thisis not the same thing as effort. 1704020;1503954318;mircea_popescu;and yes there's some relation between discipline as a societal construct, and politics. but this is complicated and poorly understood. 1704021;1503954371;kanzure;so your model is disciplined folks haphazardly dwaddling along playing around with stupid technologies until they do something that turns out to be disciplined? 1704022;1503954399;mircea_popescu;mno. my model is that people who are disciplined enough to behave rigurously will discover things at the rate at which this happens. 1704023;1503954399;asciilifeform;the number of coolies illicitly removed from their chinese rice field and paid to 'publish or perish' cock-pulling adventure in usa, has 0 impact on anything. 1704024;1503954411;BingoBoingo; unless you're fucking eliezer yudzilla << The fanfic guy? 1704025;1503954442;mircea_popescu;discipline is a narrower set than effort, you understand. it seems "hard" ie efortful, especially for the noob. but it is not that hard once you internalize it. the effort-seeker howevere ends up mired in your sort of activity, "what's the most mentally painful activity, that'll be REALLY putting in some effort". 1704026;1503954448;mircea_popescu;it's not. it's just faking the exam. 1704027;1503954448;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: thiel's catamite. he even bought him a harem, so he can pretend 'just like mp!' 1704028;1503954489;mircea_popescu;o ? is this the guy who brave brave brave sir robert put out a fanfic challenge, then trilema blew a hole in his head and he "never heard of it" a la buffett ? 1704029;1503954507;kanzure;BingoBoingo: yes the fanfic guy 1704030;1503954512;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: crackpot with looong history, goes back to '90s 1704031;1503954517;asciilifeform;!#s yudkowsky 1704032;1503954518;a111;60 results for "yudkowsky", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=yudkowsky 1704033;1503954518;kanzure;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXARrMadTKk 1704034;1503954534;kanzure;he's basically the gmaxwell of fearmongering about x-risk/ai 1704035;1503954541;mircea_popescu;oh, oh, with the independent girlfriends and the ai thing ? and the something basilisk mega-pantsuit ? 1704036;1503954545;kanzure;(except useless because he doesn't actually do anything) 1704037;1503954549;kanzure;yea those morons 1704038;1503954562;kanzure;anyway, i call him "yudzilla" or "big yud" 1704039;1503954564;mircea_popescu;a well. 1704040;1503954572;BingoBoingo;kanzure: And what does maaku do again, recognize the identifier, but not anything identifiable 1704041;1503954582;kanzure;BingoBoingo: bitcoin core stuff. it's not important really. 1704042;1503954615;mircea_popescu;kanzure you also read the famous piece with the "Where's the rembrandts" i take it ? 1704043;1503954640;kanzure;mircea_popescu: i would say my approach has been focused towards disciplined centralized technology roadmapping and planning. and then personally financing some of the projects. although it turns out that stuff is expensive and stupid. 1704044;1503954647;kanzure;no 1704045;1503954650;mircea_popescu;o.O 1704046;1503954658;kanzure;did you not take my illiteracy seriously 1704047;1503954672;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform link again plox ? 1704048;1503954686;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which 1704049;1503954702;mircea_popescu;you recall, "where's the south african rembrandts, same size as flanders" 1704050;1503954706;mircea_popescu;!!key kanzure 1704051;1503954708;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/0E4CA12BE16BE69156F540C9984F10CC77169FD2.asc 1704052;1503954720;mircea_popescu;!#s from:mirc rate kanzure 1704053;1503954720;a111;4 results for "from:mirc rate kanzure", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc%20rate%20kanzure 1704054;1503954726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563426 ? 1704055;1503954726;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 16:53 mircea_popescu: recall the "where are the rembrandts then" argument ? the us fails to produce a philosopher worth the mention every other decade ; athens managed that much on 1/1000th the population. 1704056;1503954740;mircea_popescu;!!rate kanzure 1 old-new blood 1704057;1503954742;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/b6NyJ/?raw=true 1704058;1503954748;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/fata-morgana-or-the-mirage-of-a-free-and-open-market/ << mircea_popescu 1704059;1503954763;mircea_popescu;um wasn't mine 1704060;1503954765;mircea_popescu;!!v 1B741BE33650B2139657BAFB37C451AC308F32FA71ED8B6062DAF4EB38DCEBE5 1704061;1503954766;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated kanzure 1 << old-new blood 1704062;1503954779;mircea_popescu;kanzure say !!up to deedbot in private then !!v to verify the string it gives you 1704063;1503954814;asciilifeform;!!rated kanzure 1704064;1503954814;deedbot;asciilifeform rated kanzure -1 at 2014/06/21 22:40:29 << minor-league quisling; inquire within 1704065;1503954815;mircea_popescu;https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm << there we go. so kanzure : fine piece as any to explain the difference between "effort" and discipline. 1704066;1503954817;asciilifeform;lol 1704067;1503954828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform give him a reprieve wouldja ? 1704068;1503954833;asciilifeform;yeah why not 1704069;1503954840;asciilifeform;!!rate kanzure 1 rezident 1704070;1503954843;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c1stg/?raw=true 1704071;1503954847;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot kanzure 1704072;1503954847;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 3 connections. 1704073;1503954874;asciilifeform;!!v 9B2D09B4E781D769A3ED96E4E8DCBDD4772EF823D6E966EE7F96F32D66DE9DB5 1704074;1503954875;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of kanzure from -1 to 1 << rezident 1704075;1503954900;asciilifeform;there kanzure , you oughta be able to voice. try to stay interesting. 1704076;1503954944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thanks for the link, it was in there happily. 1704077;1503955066;mircea_popescu;anyway. the other good illustration re effort/discipline for our needs here is of course the observation re possible symmetries, and how the subhuman cultures never actually discovered all of them. why noit ? they had decorative arts too, effort went in... 1704078;1503955101;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-30#1690893 << 1704079;1503955101;a111;Logged on 2017-07-30 03:43 mircea_popescu: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/WhyAntiInt.htm 1704080;1503955112;mircea_popescu;there isn't a "for every million clay pots you get another one of the 17 symmetries". the right guys need twenty pots to find all of them. the polynesians or the africans will NEVER find them like they never found fucking madagascar. 1704081;1503955116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha! 1704082;1503955123;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXn4_JkVFVo 1704083;1503955143;mircea_popescu;!#s "walid" 1704084;1503955144;a111;2 results for "\"walid\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22walid%22 1704085;1503955158;mircea_popescu;damn. am i the only khalid al-walid fan out there ? is this possible ? 1704086;1503955228;asciilifeform;not the only. but possibly only one who sprechens englisch 1704087;1503955235;mircea_popescu;hm. 1704088;1503955245;mircea_popescu;!#s "napoleon" 1704089;1503955245;a111;148 results for "\"napoleon\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22napoleon%22 1704090;1503955274;kanzure;mircea_popescu: surely you don't follow the kurzweil philosophy of "sit around and wait for people to be productive on their own"? 1704091;1503955277;mircea_popescu;you know, dude was a better napoleon in the sense the term's usually used. he certainly didn'\t fucking forget about a whole army corps etc. 1704092;1503955306;mircea_popescu;kanzure no. i keep slavegirls, whom i produce out of free ranged girls through beatings and generally speaking torture. 1704093;1503955314;mircea_popescu;but the effort is in the sense of cleanning, not in the sense of pushing. 1704094;1503955327;kanzure;isn't that sort of limited 1704095;1503955329;kanzure;what? 1704096;1503955333;mircea_popescu;limited by what ? 1704097;1503955346;kanzure;what outcomes are you trying to effectuate precisely 1704098;1503955360;mircea_popescu;i am not trying to effectuate any outcomes whatsoever. 1704099;1503955364;mircea_popescu;causes ; not purposes. 1704100;1503955443;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahahaha great 1704101;1503955500;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Excellent tinkerer 1704102;1503955523;mircea_popescu;the look on the 2nd one, you know, total precious cat "fuck, they're doing the people magic bullshit again" 1704103;1503955621;BingoBoingo;for real, much better than the contrived knock off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_tk-XrXFHo 1704104;1503955730;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703847 << let's have a look at what "Documenting" would look like on a topic of interest (intelligence) : http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/ 1704105;1503955730;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:20 kanzure: well in many cases the mutations listed on that page have not been documented (on that page) as impacting positively or negatively. so the document should not be considered a definitive lookup table. 1704106;1503955769;kanzure;"or at least, I think discipline is more correlated than effort. You can work _very_ hard at something and make no progress because your efforts are not directed." 1704107;1503955790;mircea_popescu;or am i expected to think "designer" isn't to be interpreted to mean i can want a smart baby ? after all i can buy designer bags, of whichever kind, the only bags i can't buy being bags that ARE ANY GOOD. something like that ? 1704108;1503955790;kanzure;i actually am not interested in intelligence genetics. i am more interested in things like working memory, memory capacity, etc. 1704109;1503955802;mircea_popescu;so is alf, as fate has it! 1704110;1503955818;kanzure;the difference between a monkey and a human is interesting. the difference between human and human, as measured by iq, is totally irrelevant to me. humans are idiots if you compare them only to each other. 1704111;1503955830;mircea_popescu;we never had a good outing of this theme ; but it is my (probably heretical) notion that memory size dun really enter into it. 1704112;1503955857;kanzure;well i don't really know if memory has an actual size (that concept might be bullshit)-- what about retention, is that the same thing as size 1704113;1503955882;mircea_popescu;the ~only important thing is if your knowledge is structured or not ; and how. hence that older observation re dictionaries, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 etc. 1704114;1503955882;a111;Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so. 1704115;1503955900;asciilifeform;!#s myelin 1704116;1503955901;a111;13 results for "myelin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=myelin 1704117;1503955912;asciilifeform;kanzure ^ somewhere in there, we had a testable hypothesis. 1704118;1503955927;mircea_popescu;in any case ; i am notorious for a very poor memory, including complete inability to remember say actresses names. 1704119;1503955929;asciilifeform;re (possibly all) extant variation in various cns 'horsepower' 1704120;1503955948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i subscribe, not a bad angle. in fact, possibly best available atm. 1704121;1503955970;asciilifeform;it handily explains the reflex speed 'g-loadedness', for instance. 1704122;1503955980;asciilifeform;model axon as 'leaky feeder coax'. 1704123;1503955986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm sure i told the story of the dog ? 1704124;1503955989;asciilifeform;aha. 1704125;1503956007;mircea_popescu;"memory", what's that. he got a bit of memory out of his own body through structuring the environment. 1704126;1503956014;kanzure;intelligence or specific mutation is in the weeds; i'm still stuck trying to figure out your sense of "discipline". my approach has often been: death ray made up of delibrate effort -> problem => solution. 1704127;1503956031;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was dog's version of writing. 1704128;1503956057;mircea_popescu;kanzure when i was a kid, i had a friend. he built this shambling abomination of a bar, each layer a different style, floor after floor. 1704129;1503956065;mircea_popescu;it was in the early days of capitalism, and well... 1704130;1503956080;kanzure;what was his goal 1704131;1503956083;mircea_popescu;anyway. he'd hire student kids to do work for him. i once watched a dozen of them, try to demolish a wall with a 60kg hammer. 1704132;1503956098;mircea_popescu;do you know how much effort they poured into it ? hours later, the wall was undented. 1704133;1503956105;mircea_popescu;the pro got there, tore it all down without breaking a sweat. 1704134;1503956115;kanzure;could be anywhere from zero to a lot of effort, if they made no progress. but they might also be idiots. 1704135;1503956118;mircea_popescu;(spoiler : the idiots were trying to push the hammer. that's not how you tear down walls.) 1704136;1503956134;mircea_popescu;this is then what discipline is. gotta do it ~right~. 1704137;1503956142;kanzure;is swinging a hammer a form of effort here? i don't know man. 1704138;1503956146;kanzure;yes 1704139;1503956147;mircea_popescu;how not ? 1704140;1503956164;mircea_popescu;they were fucking sweatting bullets, if that's not effort what is. 1704141;1503956176;kanzure;they were sweating bullets from their sheer stupidity 1704142;1503956197;mircea_popescu;this machine eats the same 200 W any mouthbreather's windows eats. just, mine isn't putting any of that towards animated paper clips. 1704143;1503956201;kanzure;(sweat only weely correlates with effort) 1704144;1503956206;kanzure;..weakly. 1704145;1503956236;mircea_popescu;then you misuse the term. how could sweat correlate weakly with effort, it's like saying gasoline consumption correlates weakly with distance travelled. 1704146;1503956243;kanzure;alright well anyway, discipline seems more like a reliable metric i suppose, but go back to your insistence on causes not outcomes 1704147;1503956262;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ << there. 1704148;1503956288;kanzure;"I don't want anything, it's a factual observation." <-- this person is lying. he was communicating for a reason. 1704149;1503956299;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1704150;1503956340;kanzure;well i suppose this is your topic of the moment. processing... 1704151;1503956361;mircea_popescu;does the sun also come out for a reason ? 1704152;1503956372;mircea_popescu;you just happened to be there when it did, that's all. 1704153;1503956387;kanzure;"and as such they're not only infinite and uncountable, but even undefined" but isn't this what calibration is for. you communicate with people because you are trying to callibrate collective goal behavior shit. 1704154;1503956390;mircea_popescu;bbs. 1704155;1503956449;kanzure;and if the behavior is not actually generating the desired results, you go do other behavior, etc. 1704156;1503956459;kanzure;(or change the desires appropriately if they were stupid) 1704157;1503956500;kanzure;why bother listening to someone if they are just spewing irrelevant noise? bleh 1704158;1503956524;trinque;indeed. go read the "causes and purposes" thing. 1704159;1503957541;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, perhaps the best conversational definition for discipline would be "the opposite of WSOD". 1704160;1503957632;kanzure;"do it if you feel like it" is lazy and undisciplined. 1704161;1503957652;kanzure;(re: "causes") 1704162;1503957671;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703846 << fine example of the item at work. and yes it's hard, but it's mostly hard AMONG THE IDIOTs, who want to herp derp and muh consensuses. 1704163;1503957671;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:19 asciilifeform: re the linked piece, i'm not satisfied with the direction of the causal arrow having been established 1704164;1503957693;mircea_popescu;kanzure you think ? and pray tell what's satan to pay you so that you love him ? 1704165;1503957774;kanzure;communication error 1704166;1503957788;mircea_popescu;what OTHER fucking reason than feeling like it can there be! 1704167;1503957819;kanzure;because you are doing it regardless of feels? 1704168;1503957853;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-959.491-969.11 << satan paying you to love him reference. 1704169;1503957886;kanzure;do you memorize bookmars like i do? 1704170;1503957890;kanzure;bookmars 1704171;1503957894;kanzure;fuc 1704172;1503957895;mircea_popescu;nope 1704173;1503957918;mircea_popescu;someone needs a new eyboard. 1704174;1503957955;kanzure;i was once king of the nerdpeople http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure 1704175;1503958155;kanzure;'Someone, somewhere, may well possess the secret of how to build a thermonuke using the materials of ordinary electronics.' *cough* 1704176;1503958282;kanzure;15:10 < kanzure> i'm a little confused. i know the prepwork is really annoying and laborious in theory. perhaps he should just mean a low-effort nuke. 1704177;1503958285;kanzure;15:11 < kanzure> oh right he doesn't believe in fucking effort 1704178;1503958297;kanzure;(not true. i'm teasing.) 1704179;1503958335;kanzure;"special thyratrons" 1704180;1503958372;trinque;the fuck does effort have to do with purpose and generally speaking (and charitably) what point do you have? 1704181;1503958446;kanzure;well originally my purpose (that's right i said it) of bringing this up with mircea_popescu was to query his preferences regarding thermonuclear war err i mean eugenics err i mean direct participation in technology development for genome engineering projects 1704182;1503958470;kanzure;there are in fact things that i do not know so i figured i would go figure those things out 1704183;1503958533;kanzure;if things are so willy wonka in here that one cannot apply effort to directed intentional behavior then i'm not really sure how to communicate 1704184;1503958660;trinque;that was in no way a response to my question, and this isn't "lets all shitpost our feelings to signal how smart we are" 1704185;1503958700;trinque;isn't it rather that in observing your own ignorance on a subject, you were moved to appear here? 1704186;1503958704;trinque;so, cause. 1704187;1503958726;kanzure;but it can't be a purpose? okay. 1704188;1503958769;trinque;what'd it mean if it were a purpose? 1704189;1503958789;kanzure;apparently it would be invalid. but not if it's labeled a cause. that's my understanding of the feedback so far. 1704190;1503958827;trinque;no sort of political labeling *of reality* is going on, only labeling of a particular failure mode of the mind. 1704191;1503958830;trinque;*there are not* purposes. 1704192;1503958905;trinque;yudsy's basillisk does not flow back through time in-order-to bring about itself. 1704193;1503959590;phf;"intelligence" "humans are idiots" "kurzweil" "working memory" "genetics" "yudkowsky". it's funny at some point you don't even need to read the log, you can figure out the particular, previously observed failure mode of a person by keywords that stand out 1704194;1503959611;shinohai;lol 1704195;1503959966;kanzure;but i like neither yudkowsy nor kurzweil :( 1704196;1503960136;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, here asciilifeform i got one for you : drujba in romanian ? chainsaw. and because there was that whole 80s "ask a girl for her friendship" thingee, ... "he offered me his chainsaw". 1704197;1503960157;mircea_popescu;phf did he fail yet ? 1704198;1503960259;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703856 << moreover the "effects of loci" thing is rank nonsense of the level of "here's my thermometer-based debugging tool. who wants to measure cpu quadrant temperatures as software runs ???". there's no localisation in that sense. 1704199;1503960259;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:23 asciilifeform: and that we know jack shit re the effects of the loci UNTIL SOMEBODY TOGGLES'EM AT WILL 1704200;1503960338;mircea_popescu;consider a simple element of historical warfare, that the us army could not reproduce today : arrow messaging. now, what is the effect of forest guard locus #48 on the court getting news of battle at hartford ? toggle it to what, taller man ? 1704201;1503960477;mircea_popescu;"when all the 108 men in the 40 mile line were blond, the message came that the battle was won ; but later when two of them went to eat and were replaced by guys with green eyes, the message came through that lord monmouth's daugther ran off with the circus." 1704202;1503960566;phf;i don't think so, this is more like figuring out that something's broken in a car by the sounds that the engine is making. doesn't mean that the car's not working anymore. it seems reasonable though that causes and purposes would be the response, since that kind of eliadism is a natural counterpoint to above... that's just my impressions though 1704203;1503960584;mircea_popescu;yeah 1704204;1503960663;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703860 << sure. say hello to http://trilema.com/2017/hela-matter/ 1704205;1503960663;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:24 kanzure: anyway, you don't need to focus merely on small mutations, you can also voluntarily delete chunks of chromosomes or whatever 1704206;1503960777;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703868 << ahahahaha this was the best line of the day. 1704207;1503960777;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:26 kanzure: also, i am part of hgp-write (basically human genome project 2.0) one of our projects is removing 7 codons from the genome to render human biology impervious to all existing viruses. 1704208;1503960826;kanzure;i should not claim to be related to the codon recoding, it's a subproject that was not proposed by me 1704209;1503960873;mircea_popescu;boeke iirc. 1704210;1503960879;kanzure;and church. etc. 1704211;1503960879;shinohai;Wherefore removal of condoms got us all in this mess 1704212;1503960908;mircea_popescu;anyway. are you pursuing a microbiology phd or something kanzure ? 1704213;1503960940;kanzure;i am not associated with academia 1704214;1503960954;kanzure;i read a bunch though: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ etc 1704215;1503960967;kanzure;also http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/ 1704216;1503961014;kanzure;we do mad science: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap/ 1704217;1503961042;mircea_popescu;mkay. here's the problem : on one hand there's lieberman's very stern "forbidden to have course on nonsense" ; on the other hand people can't fucking help it that they're clueless on topics, and the sort of lulzy doodle nonsense sprouted by boetke is not HIS fault. that's, truthfully, how little we know of genetics. 1704218;1503961064;mircea_popescu;this is an immense chasm, which will not see productive results in your lifetime. consequently the only options open to you are to either find something else to do ; or else go into welfare. 1704219;1503961095;mircea_popescu;the ~only useful point of the state at this micro level is that it leaks tax money, enough so as to support hopeless research in fields not favoured by industry. 1704220;1503961109;kanzure;is that a broad wlfare of survitude to wealthy patrons or what 1704221;1503961120;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1704222;1503961128;kanzure;is fundraising == welfare? 1704223;1503961135;mircea_popescu;as contemplated here yes. 1704224;1503961143;kanzure;k just checking 1704225;1503961171;mircea_popescu;patreon, gofundme or whatever. i forget what they're all called, angel list something. 1704226;1503961193;kanzure;crowdfunding doesn't work (if the crowd had money then they wouldn't need crowdfunding) 1704227;1503961228;mircea_popescu;in my view it worked superbly -- it made britney spears the LAST of these "stars" build out of mob spending power. 1704228;1503961235;mircea_popescu;good fucking riddance. 1704229;1503961268;kanzure;she was not blessed by the noodly appendage of pre-fame wealth? 1704230;1503961307;mircea_popescu;iirc she was trailer trash neh ? 1704231;1503961324;kanzure;no idea. what happened to you not remembering celebrities. 1704232;1503961344;mircea_popescu;i'm slightly better with teenagers. 1704233;1503961349;kanzure;fair enough 1704234;1503961403;kanzure;"productive results" in my book include cheap genome synthesis, the results of which are easily in reach (engineers haven't even bothered to optimize inkjet firing rate. "boo hoo it overheats and we haven't tried cooling"). 1704235;1503961411;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704196 << mno. 'druzhba' (friendship) was THE sov-era chainsaw. 1704236;1503961411;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 22:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, here asciilifeform i got one for you : drujba in romanian ? chainsaw. and because there was that whole 80s "ask a girl for her friendship" thingee, ... "he offered me his chainsaw". 1704237;1503961412;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703880 << if only dadan karambolo microbiology worked irl! 1704238;1503961412;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:29 BingoBoingo suggests sticking to the basics. P53 overexpression, Myostatin inhibition, and let the dice go on everything else 1704239;1503961422;asciilifeform;so logical -- a la 'dumpster', 'xerox'. 1704240;1503961423;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. that's why. 1704241;1503961525;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704198 << there do exist known single-locus items. just as 'flip this byte to nop and removes the derpy copyprotection' was a thing in manmade items. 1704242;1503961525;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 22:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703856 << moreover the "effects of loci" thing is rank nonsense of the level of "here's my thermometer-based debugging tool. who wants to measure cpu quadrant temperatures as software runs ???". there's no localisation in that sense. 1704243;1503961534;asciilifeform;but there are very very few of these known. 1704244;1503961537;mircea_popescu;yes, but how far'll get you. 1704245;1503961538;kanzure;mircea_popescu: specifically do those causes just not interest you (health, lifespan, memory, gene therapy, etc), or is there some sort of confusion about actual feasibility, or what 1704246;1503961560;mircea_popescu;kanzure i doubt there's much confusion re feasibility. 1704247;1503961582;kanzure;certain things are more feasible than others. and there's a lot of morons out there causing lots of noise. 1704248;1503961583;mircea_popescu;it's not that it's not feasible, it's that stretching your anus to accomodate trains is more feasible. 1704249;1503961595;mircea_popescu;the noise part is sadly quite true. 1704250;1503961597;kanzure;so if your feasibility assessment is based on the stupid shit you've heard before, then that's understandable 1704251;1503961611;kanzure;there's signal that provides information about negative results. that's not noise. 1704252;1503961624;mircea_popescu;kanzure appreciate what you're saying here. "mp, you're spending millions to get bad intel". rly ? 1704253;1503961645;kanzure;i'm not that far yet, i'm just saying "if your superpowers are limited to writing blog posts then i'm not sure what you have to offer" 1704254;1503961654;kanzure;e.g. no knowledge of you spending millions on anything at all 1704255;1503961656;phf;it is certainly because you haven't found the right pdfs 1704256;1503961663;kanzure;oh is that the problem 1704257;1503961664;mircea_popescu;wait, i was offering something ?! 1704258;1503961681;kanzure;mircea_popescu: your blog posts offer something yes. or are you just babbling for no reason? 1704259;1503961701;shinohai;Rich guys don't sit around in irc all day and make blog posts! 1704260;1503961719;mircea_popescu;well, actually, i'm the authority here, definitionally what i'm saying can't be babbling. you've upgraded your argument from "your intel is broken" to tmsr dun werk, it's a very dubious trek. 1704261;1503961739;mircea_popescu;take a more productive tack, like say something concrete. 1704262;1503961785;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704234 << my q for kanzure -- why not do this with own hands ? what do you need the heathens for ? just do it. iirc you even have money. and hands. so. do. it. 1704263;1503961785;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:03 kanzure: "productive results" in my book include cheap genome synthesis, the results of which are easily in reach (engineers haven't even bothered to optimize inkjet firing rate. "boo hoo it overheats and we haven't tried cooling"). 1704264;1503961788;kanzure;authorities definitionally can't babble? show me how that works. 1704265;1503961799;asciilifeform;cool the print nozzle, make transgenic muscle army, annihilate the derps. 1704266;1503961807;asciilifeform;i'll even buy a ticket to watch. 1704267;1503961816;kanzure;asciilifeform: insufficient money i think. although this might be a bad reason. i could accept that. nobody calls me on this type of thing. 1704268;1503961831;mircea_popescu;kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning." 1704269;1503961836;mircea_popescu;it's in the last link, re teh HeLa. 1704270;1503961855;asciilifeform;kanzure: terrible reason. you'd be surprised on what can be done for almost no money. 1704271;1503961875;asciilifeform;FUCKGOATS, for instance, obsoleted entire pseudoindustry. 1704272;1503961878;kanzure;well i'm not one to argue for inflated resources, sure 1704273;1503961896;mircea_popescu;so far it's not altogether clear what specirfically you're arguing for tbh. 1704274;1503961912;kanzure;no i'm still claiming your intel is broken 1704275;1503961933;mircea_popescu;yes but unless you make falsifiable statements of value it's not very useful. 1704276;1503961936;kanzure;dna is relevant. production of synthetic dna is relevant and feasible, even if nobody promises you shakespearen genomes on day 1. 1704277;1503961938;asciilifeform;i remember the first time i used a pcr thermocycler and was told 'costs 8k usd', and thought 'are you all retarded, peltier on my cpu cost 10bux' 1704278;1503961946;asciilifeform;and afaik TO THIS DAY the 'pro' machine costs 8k 1704279;1503961953;asciilifeform;( though NOW with peltier in it ) 1704280;1503961961;kanzure;yes and then people made cheapo thermocyclers. what's wrong with that? 1704281;1503961967;asciilifeform;because it ain't about results, the 'field' is about spending cheap usg spendolade 1704282;1503961970;asciilifeform;on sinecures 1704283;1503961971;kanzure;(openpcr actually isn't that cheap. it's sort of annoying.) 1704284;1503961984;mircea_popescu;ahaha there's an open-pcr ? 1704285;1503962001;kanzure;yea it sucks tho 1704286;1503962005;kanzure;it's like adobe air + an arduino 1704287;1503962011;asciilifeform;lol!! 1704288;1503962016;mircea_popescu;phf the more amusing thing here is that only last week i was wondering where the 3d printing folk went. 1704289;1503962017;kanzure;and then lasercut plywood because we're all hipsters and our eyes don't bleed 1704290;1503962030;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you gotta see this thing. 1704291;1503962034;kanzure;asciilifeform: here's a little project of mine, recently. https://blog.kitmatic.com/2017/06/28/electroporation-is-now-quick-high-yield-and-commodity-priced/ 1704292;1503962046;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whichthing 1704293;1503962053;mircea_popescu;the plywood pcr 1704294;1503962072;mircea_popescu;shit i wish we thought of this in the early days of "fpga mining". 1704295;1503962084;kanzure;http://openpcr.org/ 1704296;1503962108;asciilifeform;^ the lulzy bit is not that it exists ( it existed 10y ago ) but that it had 0 effect on the cost of 'pro' apparatus 1704297;1503962113;mircea_popescu;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/930368578/openpcr-open-source-biotech-on-your-desktop << possibly better link 1704298;1503962136;shinohai;Handy pic of what someone that actually uses open-pcr might look like: http://openpcr.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Picture-9.png 1704299;1503962142;asciilifeform;when you have an expense acct from usg.academia, you not only dun give a fuq what the instrument costs -- but the option of 'use peltier' is not even on the table 1704300;1503962171;kanzure;that pic was actually taken from a volunteer birdhouse assembly workshop 1704301;1503962185;asciilifeform;shinohai: that thing exists so that beckman et al can justify their 5figs payola for ~same thing, 'looksy, them derps' 1704302;1503962195;mircea_popescu;credible. 1704303;1503962227;asciilifeform;the 'warhol, choose can of coke on left or right' system atwork. 1704304;1503962234;kanzure;anyway, the reason for "infeasibility" claims is because people try to do impossible things; there have not been infeasibility claims regarding genome synthesis or assembly. 1704305;1503962267;asciilifeform;kanzure: the fundamental confusion is actually very similar to the one in your earlier nanotech 1704306;1503962270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how does it go around you know, polymerase getting destroyed ? 1704307;1503962275;kanzure;my earlier nanotech? 1704308;1503962279;mircea_popescu;iirc it was temperature senstivie. 1704309;1503962328;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thermocycler is just this programmable chiller/oven item. follows a curve. 1704310;1503962333;kanzure;asciilifeform: i rescued a silly open-source nanotech cad program from being deleted and forgotten. however, i did not fund its original development. is this the thing you're tlaing about? https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer 1704311;1503962337;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha wait, they switched to termophillic bacteria polymerase ?! god help us. 1704312;1503962357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i know. the problem with dna amplification with it is that (on tech i recalled) the required enzyme gets periodically destroyed. 1704313;1503962364;mircea_popescu;but apparently, they replaced it with some sea scum. 1704314;1503962377;asciilifeform;kanzure: see the earlier thread re subj, yes 1704315;1503962380;kanzure;you insert the reagents at the start of the reaction, the polymerase is not a permanent component of the machine. 1704316;1503962418;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-10#414094 << 1704317;1503962418;a111;Logged on 2013-12-10 01:49 asciilifeform: if i ever strike lucky, i'll write 'fairycad.' create magical gadgets, just need pixie dust fabricator. 1704318;1503962424;kanzure;"normally the left derives semantic authority from threats of mob violence/witch hunts; what does mircea_popescu have?" 1704319;1503962462;mircea_popescu;apodictics! 1704320;1503962588;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703884 << tsk. too uphill huh ? 1704321;1503962588;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:30 asciilifeform: kanzure: objective was to economically make (by the kg) a (modified) butyrylcholinesterase 1704322;1503962613;mircea_popescu;you can get bacteria to do anything you want them to ; provided you want them to do something they were going to do already. gotta be a metabolic leftover. 1704323;1503962621;kanzure;no i just fed it to my bioreactor person to see what he would design for me. butyrylcholinesterase proposal will be forthcoming. 1704324;1503962624;phf;ah makes sense, for some reason i thought 3d printers went in the direction of spiroligomers, but hackerspace for which i was mocked is running a CRISPR project in their fridge so this is consistent 1704325;1503962653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they also 'unlearn' as quickly as 'learned', the extra crud. it dun help'em survive in the welfarestat^H^H^H^H^Hculturevat . so they ditch it 1704326;1503962660;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1704327;1503962660;asciilifeform;was major problem for the biowar folx 1704328;1503962668;asciilifeform;( virulence vanishes ) 1704329;1503962697;mircea_popescu;there's no great advantage for "a flying stegosaurus with poisonous spines on every bone!!" sorta videogame items. 1704330;1503962703;mircea_popescu;poison is expensive as all shit. 1704331;1503962712;BingoBoingo; it's in the last link, re teh HeLa. << For further reading ask Hussein Bahamas about the trechery of Big Headed Yakub. 1704332;1503962731;mircea_popescu;(speaking of which... if what you want is in the vein of yl-cholinesterase, maybe try engineering spiders ? 1704333;1503962747;asciilifeform;kanzure: reactor was pointedly not the problem. the trait simply wouldn't stick. 1704334;1503962754;asciilifeform;and nobody found out specifically why. 1704335;1503962764;mircea_popescu;or rather : specifically how. 1704336;1503962775;kanzure;http://gizmodo.com/why-bringing-back-a-wooly-mammoth-is-no-longer-science-1797099747 1704337;1503962777;mircea_popescu;the why is above. 1704338;1503962778;kanzure;"".. isn’t the only one working to clone a mammoth. There’s also Hwang Woo-suk’s Korean dog-cloning lab, Soaam Technologies [....] He was the one who claimed to clone human cells, but it turns out he had been forcing his students to donate their eggs, and secondly that his clone cells are fraudulent, so he’s trying to resurrect his reputation by being the first to clone ... 1704339;1503962784;kanzure;...a mammoth."" 1704340;1503962785;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the competition used goats. afaik eventually went broke, 0 result. 1704341;1503962806;*;asciilifeform misread as 'scam technologies' 1704342;1503962828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im strictly going by the above "woman will do anything you wanrt provided it is what she ewas goping to do anyway". afaik, spiders do actually make variants of it. 1704343;1503962845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it also had to be a (mostly)human BchE. because injectable. 1704344;1503962851;mircea_popescu;oh. 1704345;1503962857;kanzure;please clarify why apodicticity is not philosophical wankery 1704346;1503962859;mircea_popescu;that old nonsense chemwar thing. 1704347;1503962861;asciilifeform;otherwise we'dve simply put mongeese through blender. 1704348;1503962869;asciilifeform;(waring co. makes appropriate-size blender.) 1704349;1503962888;mircea_popescu;kanzure calling something "philosophicval wankery" is a political act, no different from saying niggers dun belong in civilised society. 1704350;1503962916;kanzure;is "trying to figure out whether mircea_popescu is just babbling on a blog" also a "political act"? 1704351;1503962920;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enough, BchE is ~the~ preantidote. inject couplea grams, and walk right through vx. 1704352;1503962932;asciilifeform;problem is, only known source -- human blood 1704353;1503962935;asciilifeform;by the tonne. 1704354;1503962939;asciilifeform;for 1 dose. 1704355;1503962957;asciilifeform;(well not quite tonne, iirc 100 litres or so per ) 1704356;1503962982;kanzure;if this knowledge only enables you to feel alright about whatever cause passes your fancy for the moment then i would argue you're engaging in a lot of effort for a rather trivial outcome. 1704357;1503962986;mircea_popescu;kanzure the trying to figure it out, no. the expecting i'll justify myself, yes. 1704358;1503963034;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform funny how that goes. 1704359;1503963055;kanzure;that's sort of rude isn't it. wouldn't it be less total noise to just answer instead of either one of us wasting our time? 1704360;1503963080;mircea_popescu;also funny, if not funnier : apparently nature very much favours the republican outlook. "divide teh people into two groups. blender one for the choline, vx the other." 1704361;1503963083;*;asciilifeform still doesn't quite grasp what the q was, that kanzure wants answerd 1704362;1503963089;kanzure;i don't really care if it's "justified" by you, i care about correctly understanding 1704363;1503963090;mircea_popescu;kanzure what'd i answer ? 1704364;1503963126;kanzure;you were arguing to me that directed effort is irrelevant (or something) so i'm trying to ascertain what your proposed alternative is 1704365;1503963157;mircea_popescu;i was not arguing at you. we were examining your model together, and it came out unconvincing, and then we were left trying to make something of the pieces. 1704366;1503963175;asciilifeform;kanzure: the alternative is amply illustrated in the logs : effort of actual people, without any trace of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640325 1704367;1503963175;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done". 1704368;1503963183;mircea_popescu;you're more than welcome to go again, but you'll need a decent definition of effort and some sort of proof it's directable. 1704369;1503963241;mircea_popescu;anyway, in practical terms i am politically powerful because i've successfully protected a bunch of smart people from idiocy for years, and they have the (pewrhaps unwarranted) expectation this may continue. 1704370;1503963304;kanzure;you mean by (perhaps correctly) criticising everything right? 1704371;1503963306;mircea_popescu;because the political power is a super-2 exponential on smarts, whereas cost is a logarithmic on stupidity, it's very easy to be powerful hanging out with smart people. almost as easy as it is to go bankrupt hanging out with many people. 1704372;1503963332;mircea_popescu;kanzure the "by" part is rather open-ended. 1704373;1503963339;kanzure;well fine. 1704374;1503963348;mircea_popescu;there's some work in the log re creating mechanical-mp, but mostly at the lulz stage. 1704375;1503963412;kanzure;i am trying to ascertain what you exercise power for 1704376;1503963415;kanzure;or if you don't. 1704377;1503963433;kanzure;other than blogging :-) 1704378;1503963457;mircea_popescu;what for. 1704379;1503963488;kanzure;it's just how i work, i internalize things 1704380;1503963488;mircea_popescu;power is a misnomer in any case ; it's arche as in greek not power as in latin. 1704381;1503963502;mircea_popescu;and the bad notation makes you go into walls, as per "since it's power it must have goal" 1704382;1503963528;kanzure;i'd settle for "observed tendencies or use of power that would probably fail without such power" 1704383;1503963558;mircea_popescu;aite. 1704384;1503963560;kanzure;you could safely argue it would look like a plot of the sha256 function against a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that 1704385;1503963587;mircea_popescu;funny you should mention that, there's also a discussion re rng and power in teh logs. 1704386;1503963631;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the power driving happy club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a533597cc4b5c9a0d8378a536f495797/tumblr_ntbr97L7LW1tr6tzco1_400.gif 1704387;1503963662;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686026 << see also thread 1704388;1503963662;a111;Logged on 2017-07-18 18:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don't know thereby constructs a sybil of you. 1704389;1503963674;asciilifeform;re 'if you're modellable, you are a mechanical part, not a power' 1704390;1503963751;asciilifeform;one of the aspects, imho, of serious power, is that it does not present itself in the form of an 'exam' that examgrinder derps can 'study' for an' finesse. 1704391;1503963771;asciilifeform;it's zeta, comes and impales your entire fucking village to make the point that NO, you can't model it. 1704392;1503963776;mircea_popescu;confucius disagrees! 1704393;1503963813;asciilifeform;the inventor of the original usg - yes - quite disagreed. 1704394;1503963818;mircea_popescu;hehe 1704395;1503963917;kanzure;alright so the argument is that to whatever extent there's a modellable aspect, that's a failure mode and not necessarily a preference 1704396;1503963951;asciilifeform;kanzure: kindergarten gametheory 1704397;1503963952;mircea_popescu;actually part of republican doctrine, there's no standard policies in all sorts of shocking places. 1704398;1503963994;mircea_popescu;like you know, what ratings mean for one. 1704399;1503964086;kanzure;so just hoard a bunch of power and don't provide much signal regarding its application or likely application. is this some sort of gmaxwell-level fear of "unintentionally causing others to agree with you, by unethically signaling to them an idea that they shouldn't have had in the first place" bullshit? 1704400;1503964108;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703892 < http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695593 1704401;1503964108;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:32 kanzure: jihan has been quite friendly so far 1704402;1503964108;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 00:40 asciilifeform: No one else did. Not theymos, not knighmb, not pirate, not silbert, not Jihan Wu. Not satoshi or asciilifeform. 1704403;1503964112;mircea_popescu;ha-HA! 1704404;1503964129;mircea_popescu;kanzure i lean on people all the damned time, what are you talking about. 1704405;1503964139;kanzure;i wouldn't know 1704406;1503964141;mircea_popescu;you're even voiced atm because i did lol. 1704407;1503964171;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/futurism/Who%20steers%20who%20steers%3f%20A%20note%20on%20identifying%20vulnerable%20moral%20propensities.pdf 1704408;1503964189;mircea_popescu;o god with the %20s 1704409;1503964226;kanzure;i have the best filenames 1704410;1503964235;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don't read pdfs, so put it in a pastebin ? 1704411;1503964284;kanzure;https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Who-Steers-Who-Steers-a-Note-on-Identifying-Vulner-Kaas-Rayhawk/3ac398a295bd468d936bc50092142e3cb2f60a71 1704412;1503964336;kanzure;bad abstract parse there. it ends half-way through. 1704413;1503964398;mircea_popescu;lessee 1704414;1503964463;mircea_popescu;lol "while this risk can not be avoided entirely... here's how im not giving up". 1704415;1503964480;mircea_popescu;sane person would have stopped there. "this risk can not be avoided ; abandon du travail" 1704416;1503964584;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/28/bob-lutz-on-why-ford-ousted-mark-fields-adnotated/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Bob Lutz on Why Ford Ousted Mark Fields, adnotated. 1704417;1503964696;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703932 << ftr you realize out-and-out myostatin inhibition would result in a bad case of blindness if you're lucky. you might grow fucking horns. 1704418;1503964696;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:43 asciilifeform: kanzure: mike w promised myostatin inhibitor to me in 2007 !!1111 where is it ?! 1704419;1503964703;mircea_popescu;soft, squishy, horns nevertheless. 1704420;1503964732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: d00d had some quite musculatured, and not otherwise mutilated ( as far as anybody could tell ) rat 1704421;1503964742;asciilifeform;but point being, never came remotely close to useful item in man. 1704422;1503964753;mircea_popescu;yeah, and if they grow enough they'll push your eyes ouyt. 1704423;1503964836;asciilifeform;either that, or 9,999 possible other 'i put an f1 engine in my trabant' failure modes. 1704424;1503964874;mircea_popescu;anyway. in my admittedly pedestrian clinical experience, it was NEVER the myokines that limit muscle mass. it's always kidney clearance, lung efficiency and liver capacity for glycogenesis in this order. 1704425;1503964882;asciilifeform;kanzure: re your link, do you know what gosplan was ? 1704426;1503964888;mircea_popescu;ie, when people who are out of shape get the fuck back in shape, it is THESE ORGANS that expand first, and most. 1704427;1503964919;mircea_popescu;which is why the fuck "exercise is healthy" in the first place. 1704428;1503964970;asciilifeform;'... we engage in a project to "drive while we drive": to strategically influence the main factors that will strategically influence the future.' 1704429;1503964977;asciilifeform;how can you read this without barfing, kanzure ? 1704430;1503965002;mircea_popescu;practice. 1704431;1503965007;asciilifeform;at least sov gosplan never rose to the megalomania of 'plan future of all man' 1704432;1503965017;asciilifeform;( not, at any rate, explicitly ) 1704433;1503965023;mircea_popescu;hehehe i was about to say. 1704434;1503965037;mircea_popescu;there was a lot of the nonsense floating about, esp cca 1940s and 50s. back when they belieft. 1704435;1503965052;asciilifeform;nothing, afaik, quite like this. 1704436;1503965074;mircea_popescu;this is always an unfair comparison for the esltards, because all other languages being spoken by man over time have built in ridiculous protectors. 1704437;1503965080;mircea_popescu;english is a doggerel, has nothing in it. 1704438;1503965083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where was the 'game plan' thread 1704439;1503965094;asciilifeform;oh hah mircea_popescu linked it few min ago 1704440;1503965099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, linked in my last. talk about premonitory. 1704441;1503965151;asciilifeform;indeed 1704442;1503965154;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/ ftr. 1704443;1503965189;asciilifeform;'Mouthbreathers living in squalor all over the US are mentally preparing to solve the 3rd world's famine problems. Just in case. You never know when you suddenly become powerful. Fucking Cinderella syndrome, an entire generation of sleeping beauties.' 1704444;1503965237;mircea_popescu;heh. 1704445;1503965248;mircea_popescu;but isn't that what technologee is all about!!! 1704446;1503965309;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that it wasn't, appears, the generation that played civ, that grew into these 1704447;1503965313;asciilifeform;but the next, that didn't 1704448;1503965406;*;asciilifeform has theory, that one of the fundamental and incurable psychodysfunctions of the ameritard is the picture, formed in childhood, of 'world of plenty', 'infinite resources', 'as soon said as done', 'just needs to be managed and komyoonitiorganized' etc 1704449;1503965457;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704153 << i can certify i've not used language in trhis manner sicne about 5th grade. 1704450;1503965457;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 21:39 kanzure: "and as such they're not only infinite and uncountable, but even undefined" but isn't this what calibration is for. you communicate with people because you are trying to callibrate collective goal behavior shit. 1704451;1503965482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform always how this happens. it wasn't the generatio nthat slept in cow dung under the biting western wind that thought cowboy is tough guy 1704452;1503965485;mircea_popescu;but the next one. 1704453;1503965501;mircea_popescu;nobody thought himself a hero for being at verdun. more like an idiot, really. 1704454;1503965506;asciilifeform;to the wind generation, cowboy is normal d00d 1704455;1503965515;asciilifeform;doing normal things 1704456;1503965515;mircea_popescu;well... normal poor dood. 1704457;1503965517;asciilifeform;aha 1704458;1503965522;mircea_popescu;doing what can be done. 1704459;1503965596;mircea_popescu;anyway, amusingly enough that exact outlook, 'world of plenty', 'infinite resources', 'as soon said as done', 'just needs to be managed and komyoonitiorganized' resulted in the panic of 1837. 1704460;1503965605;mircea_popescu;i talked of it a little somewhere, it's very amusingly similar 1704461;1503965626;mircea_popescu;(the systemic shock then was the europeans, not the chinese, taking their gold back home. the us survived that one.) 1704462;1503965660;asciilifeform;'we'll feed everybody by printing 10bil foodvouchers' is an eternal plague 1704463;1503965694;asciilifeform;the borderline-retarded buy it because retarded; the cynical grifters buy it because 'i'll be first to the trough' 1704464;1503965695;mircea_popescu;at the risk of splitting hairs, that's possibly a different strand of the same coli. 1704465;1503965712;kanzure;10 billion food vouchers can be printed if you would like to shut them up the hilarious way 1704466;1503965717;kanzure;they could even eat the vouchers if you'd like 1704467;1503965734;mircea_popescu;lol. finally, 3d printing on biological material that matters! USE EXPANDED RICE! 1704468;1503965756;kanzure;oh print the voucher on the rice? i've been doing it wrong i guess. 1704469;1503965762;asciilifeform;the 'we can create 10bil plates of shitburger to go with the vouchers if only we KomyoonityOrganizeStoneSoup correctly' is simply slightly moar elaborate version of same. 1704470;1503965780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform arguably the "world of plenty" "boundless bounty of this is our land" is one kind of nativist ; whereas assignats more of a frenchypoof thing. 1704471;1503965818;mircea_popescu;kanzure yes, the chinese fortune cookie see ? include the blessing with the meal. "by order of our most supreme government, you are obligated and alloweds to eat this" 1704472;1503965818;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's the operative diff ? -- other than where one places the 'world of plenty' hallucination in the present, and other -- in future..? 1704473;1503965835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now ask me what is the diff between polar and cartesian coord systems. 1704474;1503965839;mircea_popescu;there's a difference. 1704475;1503965884;*;asciilifeform brb, meat 1704476;1503965901;*;mircea_popescu can't help but visualize endless expanded rice cakes, painted with the required assignats drawings. sort of like e-stamps, only edible. 1704477;1503965926;mircea_popescu;fucking fabulous idea. make the ink HFCS caramel too. 1704478;1503965974;mircea_popescu;http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3932032/thumbs/o-RICE-CAKE-570.jpg << item's as close to paper as it gets. stores forever... 1704479;1503965983;mircea_popescu;nice and filling... 1704480;1503966105;mircea_popescu;kanzure 188 wpm sorta top speed ? that's pretty impressive. 1704481;1503966116;kanzure;it's a completely useless skill 1704482;1503966130;kanzure;i'm able to keep up with core developers as they babble on about stuff, though https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html 1704483;1503966130;mircea_popescu;not completely useless, i don't think. 1704484;1503966138;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/cali2016/ 1704485;1503966153;mircea_popescu;o hey, check that out, logs. 1704486;1503966153;kanzure;(these are real-time transcripts. nobody has time to go back and type. i just do it in real-time.) 1704487;1503966170;mircea_popescu;see ? useful enough. 1704488;1503966195;mircea_popescu;so what do you do for a living anyway ? 1704489;1503966204;kanzure;https://ledgerx.com/introducing-ledgerx/ 1704490;1503966236;mircea_popescu;ah that's why he blacklisted you 1704491;1503966248;kanzure;i am honored. (who?) 1704492;1503966289;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-27#898659 << raised what, 3years ago ? 1704493;1503966289;a111;Logged on 2014-10-27 21:05 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu i can't believe how much $ the ledgerX guys raised 1704494;1503966292;mircea_popescu;kanzure asciilifeform 1704495;1503966316;kanzure;that was one month after i was onboarded 1704496;1503966321;kanzure;so yeah they did not have diligence until i showed up 1704497;1503966340;mircea_popescu;so which of https://ledgerx.com/management-team/ is you then ? 1704498;1503966387;kanzure;i never asked to be listed there 1704499;1503966394;kanzure;oh yeah, i'm not. ok. 1704500;1503966642;mircea_popescu;wait, you are telling me you are working at company x BECAUSE you work there, not so that you're on the //heres-some%20stock-photos-stolen-from-internets.htmk page ?! 1704501;1503966708;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704181 << i'm not much of an engineer ; i don't even own any ikea desk converted into an open thermo-thingee. 1704502;1503966708;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 22:14 kanzure: well originally my purpose (that's right i said it) of bringing this up with mircea_popescu was to query his preferences regarding thermonuclear war err i mean eugenics err i mean direct participation in technology development for genome engineering projects 1704503;1503966858;mircea_popescu;seems i'd be uniquely unqualified for teh job. 1704504;1503967001;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704183 << they are. resource allocation, including man hours, is not open to all comers ; it is not even open to "community" anything. 1704505;1503967001;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 22:15 kanzure: if things are so willy wonka in here that one cannot apply effort to directed intentional behavior then i'm not really sure how to communicate 1704506;1503967044;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704192 << logically, shouldn't it terminate itself for that reason ? 1704507;1503967044;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 22:21 trinque: yudsy's basillisk does not flow back through time in-order-to bring about itself. 1704508;1503967055;mircea_popescu;maybe that's why alf's ecoli were so uncooperative. basiliskation. 1704509;1503967201;kanzure;so far the only form of 'resource allocation' that i can peg you down for is re: something something 'protection of friendlines from idiocy' 1704510;1503967205;kanzure;*friendlies 1704511;1503967270;kanzure;and 'attention' maybe. 1704512;1503967625;mircea_popescu;i thought you read the logs. 1704513;1503967711;mircea_popescu;the republic fabricates its own hardware, building towards a complete stack. not to mention its own software, idem. 1704514;1503967734;mircea_popescu;it's a state, like any other. well, better than most, at least in tech terms. 1704515;1503967790;kanzure;i was not aware of this. 1704516;1503967802;mircea_popescu;ever heard of eg phuctor ? 1704517;1503967943;kanzure;no 1704518;1503967974;mircea_popescu;aite, so it's this item that factors privkeys. has the whole db of pgp and ssh keys. 1704519;1503967988;mircea_popescu;you can teach yourself lisp by talking to candi_lustt 1704520;1503967997;mircea_popescu;there's all sorta things. 1704521;1503968080;mod6;evenin' 1704522;1503968091;mircea_popescu;hola 1704523;1503968126;*;mod6 reads scrollback 1704524;1503968214;mircea_popescu;kanzure ftr, does your pdfparanoia thing also wipe the yellow printer dots ? 1704525;1503968525;kanzure;no just the ip address stuff 1704526;1503968542;kanzure;i do not have a sample of yellow printer dots in academic papers to work from. if you have a sample, i'll be happy to debug that. 1704527;1503968547;mircea_popescu;why not ? woulda saved that chicks bacon, what was her name. 1704528;1503968552;kanzure;alexandra 1704529;1503968558;kanzure;so it turns out, i was the reason why she got doxxed 1704530;1503968579;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ? 1704531;1503968582;kanzure;i met her in 2010 at a harvard transhumanism conference. i recognized her profile pic (rotated) on a scihub site. 1704532;1503968589;mircea_popescu;heh. 1704533;1503968606;kanzure;and i said so on irc in 2013. and i think i doxxed her and now i kind of feel bad about that. 1704534;1503968624;mircea_popescu;kanzure are you capable of standing up a bot which takes a link to a pdf and responds with a http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hello/?raw=true link containing the contents ? 1704535;1503968667;kanzure;https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 1704536;1503968690;kanzure;( http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ ) 1704537;1503968724;mircea_popescu;not exactly what i want. it should work with arbitrary user provided links ; and it should specifically spit out the format required. 1704538;1503968770;mircea_popescu;(most of the heavy lifting consists of OCR, mind you. that's the core of the job.) 1704539;1503968800;kanzure;you'll have to find someone else to do as much 1704540;1503968806;mircea_popescu;aite. 1704541;1503968898;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704526 << colour laser is fiddybux at junk store 1704542;1503968898;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 01:02 kanzure: i do not have a sample of yellow printer dots in academic papers to work from. if you have a sample, i'll be happy to debug that. 1704543;1503968910;asciilifeform;( the dot pattern was reversed long ago, however , is public ) 1704544;1503968914;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i see the merit in using the actual item though. 1704545;1503968927;asciilifeform;which item ? 1704546;1503968949;asciilifeform;colour laser ? everybody who bought a FG, has a thick wad of yellowdotted printout 1704547;1503968961;kanzure;pdfparanoia strips the "YOUR IP ADDRESS IS 127.0.0.1" from the margins of pdfs. 1704548;1503968964;mircea_popescu;nah wtf was her name 1704549;1503968967;asciilifeform;( i print'em on old clunker that definitely has them dotz ) 1704550;1503968973;kanzure;alexandra elbakyan 1704551;1503968992;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: realitywinner? 1704552;1503969002;mircea_popescu;yes! ty! 1704553;1503969009;mircea_popescu;dumbass usg naming styles. 1704554;1503969036;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: chix renamed itself 1704555;1503969040;asciilifeform;supposedly. 1704556;1503969051;mircea_popescu;kanzure different chick. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666586 1704557;1503969051;a111;Logged on 2017-06-06 18:15 BingoBoingo: So the politics of "Reality Winner" is a bottomless lulz spiral. 1704558;1503969086;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what diff does that make. still the same dumbass FLUXBABBIT!!!11 nonsense 1704559;1503969147;asciilifeform;it does read quite like an nsalogical compartmentname, dunnit. REALITYWINNER. 1704560;1503969153;mircea_popescu;yup 1704561;1503969173;asciilifeform;( somewhere, in another castle, there languishes a DREAMLOSER ) 1704562;1503969189;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally another castle. 1704563;1503969233;asciilifeform;kanzure: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704513 >> see also http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html 1704564;1503969233;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 00:48 mircea_popescu: the republic fabricates its own hardware, building towards a complete stack. not to mention its own software, idem. 1704565;1503969338;kanzure;is this yours. it says mpex. 1704566;1503969376;asciilifeform;kanzure: mpex is mircea_popescu's emporium. 1704567;1503969383;asciilifeform;i expected you knew this. 1704568;1503969391;kanzure;nope 1704569;1503969408;asciilifeform;srsly?! must be 1st d00d ever to walk in, who did not. 1704570;1503969415;mircea_popescu;refreshing, at that. 1704571;1503969448;asciilifeform;pretty sure this is a historic first. 1704572;1503969452;mircea_popescu;what else did you miss, lessee, the 1k btc berkshire bet ? 1704573;1503969467;kanzure;huh? 1704574;1503969479;asciilifeform;probably also missed the phuctoring 1704575;1503969480;kanzure;i am really, really illiterate. i live in a different world. 1704576;1503969502;mircea_popescu;the lulzarmageddon on something awful, "oh bitcoin is useless" "really ? here's a dork shoving crayons in his ass for bitcoin" "OMFG porn and winning unpopular arguments are now bannable offenses on something awful" ? 1704577;1503969506;asciilifeform;and the demolition of ethertardium 1704578;1503969506;mircea_popescu;there's really a lot. 1704579;1503969518;mircea_popescu;no there was no proof re that. 1704580;1503969610;asciilifeform;probably never yet seen trb, either... 1704581;1503969618;asciilifeform;or v. or ffa. and what elses. 1704582;1503969623;mircea_popescu;possibly isn't aware how gavin lost a head also... 1704583;1503969628;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. ima bbl. 1704584;1503969750;asciilifeform;kanzure: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored << 1697 and counting rsa keys publicly raped. 1704585;1503969812;asciilifeform;kanzure: as for why you won't read about it in the lugenpress, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687903 << n00b review 1704586;1503969812;a111;Logged on 2017-07-20 23:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: review, http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored , http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations , http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag 1704587;1503969913;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1704588;1503971223;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E0A97C08E2DA96685C3A9BB822E1D127FED0E923BB60549AA1628FB49EAA3688 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1554...7607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.10.212.17 (ssh-rsa key from 58.10.212.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-58-10-212-17.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 74) 1704589;1503971223;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E0A97C08E2DA96685C3A9BB822E1D127FED0E923BB60549AA1628FB49EAA3688 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...2719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.10.212.17 (ssh-rsa key from 58.10.212.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-58-10-212-17.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 74) 1704590;1503973393;asciilifeform;!~later tell kanzure http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704482 << realize, NOT ONE of these imbeciles, nor the idiocies they uttered, has a single thing to do with ACTUAL bitcoin. not the 'core dev' nsa tools, not the dan boneh ( http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/dan-boneh ) nsa stooge; not the chinese derps. 1704591;1503973393;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 00:22 kanzure: i'm able to keep up with core developers as they babble on about stuff, though https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html 1704592;1503973394;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1704593;1503973447;asciilifeform;!~later tell kanzure elementary likbez : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685595 1704594;1503973447;a111;Logged on 2017-07-17 21:24 mircea_popescu: let's approach the easier end of this. the necessary precondition for any fork succieeding on the bitcoin network was set forth last year : http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ 1704595;1503973448;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1704596;1503973565;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704484 << another astonishing horror show. recommended to all dedicated entomologists. 1704597;1503973565;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 00:22 kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/cali2016/ 1704598;1503973601;*;asciilifeform read both links, 'holy mother of fuck, these people think... all of this matters' 1704599;1503973900;asciilifeform;massive, mind-boggling pile of 'roundtables', 'consensuses', 'preps for hardfork', 'plans for future of bitcoin' 1704600;1503973973;asciilifeform;'I think we are interested in any and all opportunities to collaborate. We will try to setup a commercial circle. We hope that the Core developers will join. In the afternoon, we can come back after we visit Stanford. We have an hour gap and we can come back here. I have reserved the conference room for the whole day. We can still come back here. Googleplex is not very far from here. It takes 30min to get there or less. We can still 1704601;1503973973;asciilifeform;come back.' 1704602;1503974068;asciilifeform;'Over the last few days, some Bitcoin developers and miners got together for a social gathering to improve communication, friendship, and to do some California sightseeing. We talked about where bitcoin is and where bitcoin is going. We learned a lot from each other. We also visited Stanford to attend a cryptography talk to learn more about potential improvements for Bitcoin, as well as the Google campus to give a presentation and ta 1704603;1503974068;asciilifeform;lk about Bitcoin. We had many informal discussions amongst ourselves about topics such as mining decentralization, evolution of the Bitcoin protocol, safety improvements and progress for both soft- and hard-forks...' didjaknow!! 1704604;1503974082;asciilifeform;'safety improvements' didjaknow ! 1704605;1503974083;kanzure;ya the miners were trying to propose a centralized organization. 1704606;1503974118;asciilifeform;y'mean legitimize the existing central cartel. 1704607;1503974129;kanzure;no i mean coercing me into saying things that i don't believe 1704608;1503974242;asciilifeform;kanzure: what, specifically ? ( and... why ? ) 1704609;1503974274;kanzure;you're asking me why miners would want a central organization to control bitcoin....? 1704610;1503974279;asciilifeform;mno 1704611;1503974300;asciilifeform;what they 'coercing me into saying things that i don't believe' and why. 1704612;1503974332;kanzure;e.g. vouch for various hard-forks 1704613;1503974373;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. 1704614;1503974406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remember the days when "teh cartel didn't exist" ? 1704615;1503974455;mircea_popescu;"'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins." as opposed to "he actually blew up the early feelers of teh cartel a year ago, we're STILL butthurt about it". 1704616;1503974505;kanzure;block content is actually not sufficient. even if you include a nonce (like a private key) plus the previous block content, you don't actually get what you need there in the sha3 proposal. 1704617;1503974563;kanzure;one way i was thinking was something like, move the transaction merkle root out of the blockheader, eliminate the block header, full transaction list must be transmitted in order to verify PoW. unfortunately gmaxwell broke this in 3 seconds (because midstate). 1704618;1503975340;asciilifeform;kanzure: keccak dun have midstates. 1704619;1503975366;kanzure;uh 1704620;1503975379;asciilifeform;at any rate, kanzure , the latest word on subj was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620661 thread. 1704621;1503975379;a111;Logged on 2017-03-01 19:32 asciilifeform: ooook try this on for size : suppose fixed-width TX (as discussed earlier.) T(N) is the Nth tx, T(0) is the first tx in genesis block, etc. Tmax is the last tx in the currentheightblock. 1704622;1503975445;kanzure;can you riterate the value of proving they have a copy of the blockchain. what you really need is a proof that everyone else has a copy of the blockchain (e.g. all utxo owners sign the damn content). 1704623;1503975473;asciilifeform;i must invoke babbage here, 1704624;1503975483;asciilifeform;'i cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas that could lead to such a question' 1704625;1503975506;kanzure;so, miners having a copy of an invalid blockchain is sort of irrelevant 1704626;1503975513;asciilifeform;mno, it ain't. 1704627;1503975532;kanzure;they can have many invalid things, as long as they choose to broadcast the valid thing 1704628;1503975541;asciilifeform;'can't use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing. 1704629;1503975573;asciilifeform;no 'prunings', no 'simplified' nonsense. 1704630;1503975588;asciilifeform;no 'i can't believe it's not fullblockchain' idiocy. 1704631;1503975590;kanzure;so, i had a proposal a while back where i pushed that question to the edges instead of to the miners; e.g. a bitcoin address scheme where it requires interactive querying to determine whether the recipient is actually running a node (because why would you send coins to a monkey that isn't running the bitcoin protocol). 1704632;1503975600;asciilifeform;full. history. of. the. world. -- or you can't play. 1704633;1503975642;asciilifeform;kanzure: if it's cheaply outsourceable, it proves shit. 1704634;1503975665;kanzure;well, i agree, however you can include a private key in the scheme, and if the user is outsourcing their private key they are dumb anyway 1704635;1503975678;asciilifeform;waiwat 1704636;1503975682;asciilifeform;private key?! 1704637;1503975706;kanzure;yea you can prove that they are hashing a value of blocchain content (or doing rule validation) with the presence of a secret nonce, etc. 1704638;1503975733;asciilifeform;known to whom ? 1704639;1503975759;asciilifeform;flesh this out 1704640;1503975768;kanzure;i think the most mature construction was one that was solely about utxo set and/or blockchain content, not rule validation (besides: they could be running a fake client that solely does these rule validation protocols or whatever, and then they don't actually run a node in the end) 1704641;1503975819;asciilifeform;'utxo set' is of the heathens. 1704642;1503975850;mircea_popescu;kanzure you can't put that sort of burden on key generation. he has a point with the babbage quote, you're trying to put contraryt things in the same box. 1704643;1503975924;asciilifeform;('utxo set' is a broken concept, thoroughly and to the bone : it implies that it is somehow acceptable to forget the history of all coin, i.e. the thing that proves that EVERY bitcent actually came from blockrewards as-specified, and not from magicking into existence a la fiatola ) 1704644;1503975931;asciilifeform;!#s pruning 1704645;1503975932;a111;66 results for "pruning", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pruning 1704646;1503975933;asciilifeform;^ see also 1704647;1503975953;asciilifeform;NOTHING is 'prunable' in bitcoin. 1704648;1503975958;asciilifeform;or ever will be. 1704649;1503975969;asciilifeform;if you 'pruned', you ain't running bitcoin. 1704650;1503975976;asciilifeform;yer running bernankecoin. 1704651;1503975991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform something like pubkey = hash(hash(privkey+proofstring) . privkey). you publish the pubkey AND the hash(privkey+proofstring) component. then when spending they check that indeed the proofstring component was correct. 1704652;1503975996;mircea_popescu;this is rank nonsense, for the record. 1704653;1503975998;asciilifeform;(today, or 100yrs from now, when blockchain is petabyte. NO reprieve.) 1704654;1503976021;mircea_popescu;even without going into any discussion re what is a "proper" proofstring. 1704655;1503976042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had this thread. if 'pruning' is a thing -- monetary mass is no longer demonstrably capped. 1704656;1503976053;mircea_popescu;we're discussing different things. 1704657;1503976056;asciilifeform;nobody's ever conceived of a finesse around this, and i don't expect that anyone will. 1704658;1503976090;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which different thing 1704659;1503976130;asciilifeform;aah 1704660;1503976139;mircea_popescu;you are discussing the composition of said proofstring ; i was giving the ur-example of what he's talking about, "make USERS prove they have the blockchain, not miners". 1704661;1503976163;asciilifeform;ftr i dun see why not to make users also demonstrate possession of actual blockchain. 1704662;1503976177;asciilifeform;( yer sig gets hashed and you get to luby in 3 tx from history... ) 1704663;1503976195;mircea_popescu;for one thing because i want to be able to spend by hand. 1704664;1503976205;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, * Topic for ##hplusroadmap is: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times) 1704665;1503976207;asciilifeform;how, with telegraph key?! 1704666;1503976218;asciilifeform;tididididahdahdah... 1704667;1503976274;mircea_popescu;user pays for tx via fee. that's 100% all he has to do. if he should pay more, let the fee be more. there's not going to be any tack-ons in kind, it's a monetary system not fucking 1800s serfdom. 1704668;1503976296;asciilifeform;somebody without a node is not a user, but a barnacle. 1704669;1503976297;mircea_popescu;the problem is not one of proof, here, and it is imperial nonsensemachine to misrepresent it in terms of proof. 1704670;1503976304;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: funnily enough, BchE is ~the~ preantidote. inject couplea grams, and walk right through vx. << AHA, an innovation to revolutionize pest control! 1704671;1503976315;mircea_popescu;the problem is that the money users pay is pocketed by the miners for mining ; whereas it should be pocketed by miners + nodes for mining + noding. 1704672;1503976330;mircea_popescu;as oft discussed, the current system excists as does because satoshi was a lazy thinker. 1704673;1503976347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform someone with privkeys is someone. 1704674;1503976358;mircea_popescu;it is at his pleasure that nodes and miners labour. 1704675;1503976455;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 << canonical, iirc, thread. 1704676;1503976455;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox. 1704677;1503976495;mircea_popescu;kanzure is http://gnusha.org/logs supposed to not load ? 1704678;1503976534;kanzure;your interweb is broken 1704679;1503976535;asciilifeform;loads here 1704680;1503976565;mircea_popescu;o look at that, 3.5k long file. 1704681;1503976570;mircea_popescu;who designs these things. 1704682;1503976578;asciilifeform;e.g. http://gnusha.org/logs/2017-08-28.log 1704683;1503976588;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the root is just shockingly lengthy. 1704684;1503976679;asciilifeform;'15:49 < jrayhawk> i feel like popescu is what happens when you confuse postmodernism with intellectualism and then read too much alt-right literature' 1704685;1503976682;asciilifeform;lul 1704686;1503976687;mircea_popescu;o.O 1704687;1503976695;asciilifeform;turns out goats really do think 'hey, it moves, has legs, IS ANOTHER GOAT' 1704688;1503976706;mircea_popescu;wtf is alt-right literature for my curiosity ? not ann raynd and such i hope ? 1704689;1503976715;asciilifeform;reddit? 1704690;1503976724;mircea_popescu;oh that's literature now ? god help us. 1704691;1503976733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you run a grep on the site over my name or what 1704692;1503976737;asciilifeform;nope 1704693;1503976744;asciilifeform;just snarfed lastlog 1704694;1503976752;asciilifeform;was fulla pastes 1704695;1503976757;mircea_popescu;ah 1704696;1503976783;asciilifeform;kanzure: if it weren't clear, 'nuke with materials of electronics' means '0 fissiles' 1704697;1503976825;asciilifeform;as in, 0 grams of anything you can't sit down and order right now for with 0 questions asked. 1704698;1503976862;BingoBoingo; alright so the argument is that to whatever extent there's a modellable aspect, that's a failure mode and not necessarily a preference << Consider http://trilema.com/2011/arta-pedepsirii/ 1704699;1503976864;*;asciilifeform is astonished at the elaborate dance of 'we dun get it' in $linked 1704700;1503976898;mircea_popescu;hey, for every single articulation there's multiple positions, and the shit we dabble in is many articulations long. combinatorial explody. 1704701;1503976964;mircea_popescu;so basically, this is a sort of republic-like, some people got together trying to do [what their idea of] good is. not nearly as dead as cat-v.org thing for instance. 1704702;1503976968;asciilifeform;'16:38 < jrayhawk> he needs verifiable/falsifiable examples, but i think i have already stopped caring' << winner 1704703;1503976977;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: d00d had some quite musculatured, and not otherwise mutilated ( as far as anybody could tell ) rat << And time + selective breeding some well built bulls in Belgium 1704704;1503977013;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so far in my reading all i see is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699409 . 1704705;1503977013;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 20:26 asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean you won't eat from the trough' 'not a swine? everybody's a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc 1704706;1503977045;mircea_popescu;eh. think of it this way, if people didn't have barriers at all they'd be goo. 1704707;1503977050;mircea_popescu;not even gray. pink goo. 1704708;1503977104;asciilifeform;they spread leg^H^H^Hmembrane for thiel/yudkowsky/etc al on command tho 1704709;1503977106;asciilifeform;such barrier. 1704710;1503977133;mircea_popescu;every membrane will have a pore. it's only natural. dja know the joke with the horny bear ? 1704711;1503977136;asciilifeform;18:39 < fenn> it doesn’t pass the self check and was probably broken while uploaded. 1704712;1503977137;asciilifeform;18:39 < fenn> therefore probably nothing really happened." 1704713;1503977142;asciilifeform;didjaknow, mircea_popescu ! 1704714;1503977147;asciilifeform;( re phuctor, apparently ) 1704715;1503977148;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1704716;1503977189;kanzure;if operatig the yudkowsy parody twitter account for five years is insufficient to convince you that i absolutely hate the person, then what would? 1704717;1503977201;asciilifeform;18:40 < yashgaroth> ah, that's a lot of people to dedicate to a dumb idea << usg.dtra, unclass. to the tune of couplea decamil. 1704718;1503977212;asciilifeform;public record. 1704719;1503977213;mircea_popescu;kanzure conviction is a rare material ; take it easy. 1704720;1503977247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with the current crop of kids is that they're so used to have OTHERS pick their reading materials for them. 1704721;1503977285;mircea_popescu;be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields. 1704722;1503977300;asciilifeform;18:29 < kanzure> yeah i don't know anymore 1704723;1503977300;asciilifeform;18:29 < kanzure> buncha noise 1704724;1503977306;asciilifeform;why did we voice d00d again..? 1704725;1503977344;kanzure;hash functions are supposed to look like noise you dolt 1704726;1503977349;asciilifeform;17:17 < kanzure> could the atmosphere be flooded with gas + nutrients sufficient to feed a person if lungs weren't awful 1704727;1503977351;mircea_popescu;ie, "why do you know so much about string theory ?" "because im on this biker forum and this guy steve keeps posting articles about it" "yes but... it's neither that important nor interesting" "i dunno" 1704728;1503977375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cuz we're patient and tolerant and i have a houseful of teenagers, mr grouch. 1704729;1503977378;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ? << http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/ 1704730;1503977413;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha! it's like mp-berylium that thing, totally reflects my memory rays. 1704731;1503977435;kanzure;claiming that it's not supposed to look like noise (explicitly after saying that was your goal) is just insane 1704732;1503977453;asciilifeform;waiwat..? 1704733;1503977474;kanzure;well you didn't say it; but let's stick to the deriving-from-authority concept eh? 1704734;1503977477;mircea_popescu;kanzure fluid respiration does happen, and has happened since the 70s. it's not even that costly, biologically. lung NUTRITION however is impossibru. 1704735;1503977506;mircea_popescu;hydration is prolly going to emphysema-kill you in weeks at the most. sorta in-between 1704736;1503977525;kanzure;yeah i don't think existing lungs would be a good thing to subject to that. i haven't given it much thought. 1704737;1503977536;mircea_popescu;but ftr, lungs aren't awful. especially human lungs are jewels imo. 1704738;1503977560;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you ever had the opportunity to see lung tissue under good magnification, but it's a wonder. 1704739;1503977565;kanzure;"gas everyone with food" just seemed like an appealing thing to momentarily speculat eabout. 1704740;1503977568;asciilifeform;kanzure: i must've missed something : hash functions ? 1704741;1503977579;kanzure;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seems to be better at reading logs than you :-) 1704742;1503977597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in summary, it's impossible to make sense of the leaves of a merkle tree that you don't have the root for, is what he's saying. 1704743;1503977597;kanzure;mircea_popescu: so do you just claim a monopoly on discipline or what 1704744;1503977604;mircea_popescu;kanzure not at all. 1704745;1503977614;kanzure;this was re: the power conversation 1704746;1503977615;mircea_popescu;i don't even claim to be particularly disciplined. 1704747;1503977643;asciilifeform;merkletree in bitcoin is a misfeature. 1704748;1503977670;mircea_popescu;i used the term metaphorically. the convo sounds like noise to you because you don't accept/have the priors. which priors he'd propose are a different authority structure. 1704749;1503977714;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was not able to discern these folx's priors -- other than 'we suck thiel's cock on command, like every good redditpilltaker' 1704750;1503977718;kanzure;yes i understand it's merely a metaphor; i think asciilifeform did too. 1704751;1503977740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, i didn't get very far in. 1704752;1503977774;kanzure;asciilifeform: the stuff about hash functions was re: what exercise of power does mircea_popescu historically engage in. and then you quoted things from the logs. it wasn't that long ago. 1704753;1503977792;kanzure;and then you come to me and argue that you guys aren't meant to look like noise....? 1704754;1503977799;asciilifeform;kanzure: didja read http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ ? 1704755;1503977811;mircea_popescu;anyway, re lungs, as im a fan apparently : gas exchange happens through a wonderful bevy of yet poorly understood fluid/fluid phenomena. there's some true space tech going on in there. 1704756;1503977814;asciilifeform;i particular the sentence containing ' i will sink any ...' 1704757;1503977826;asciilifeform;*in particular 1704758;1503977829;kanzure;asciilifeform: ah you mean that is one such example. fine. 1704759;1503977851;asciilifeform;!#s missile crisis 1704760;1503977852;a111;47 results for "missile crisis", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=missile%20crisis 1704761;1503977859;mircea_popescu;kanzure i'll tell you, i read the log every day, first thing, chiefly because it's the higherst snr item i know of. so not really noisy, no. 1704762;1503977875;kanzure;i don't mean the log i just mean your goals and behavior 1704763;1503977902;mircea_popescu;i actually dun have goals. if you measure an absence you'll get noise definitionally, what else. 1704764;1503977921;kanzure;that could explain it 1704765;1503977940;kanzure;so you are a leaf riding some gust of wind. fine. 1704766;1503977947;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha 1704767;1503977957;mircea_popescu;lol check it out, "slavery" manipulation. here, let's resolve this problem : http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ << meet girl on the left ; girl on the right. 1704768;1503977959;mircea_popescu;there's plenty more. 1704769;1503978016;mircea_popescu;there's no semantic manipulation, i mean it quite literally. when i say chains i mean chains ; when i say whips i mean whips. 1704770;1503978090;mircea_popescu; so you are a leaf riding some gust of wind. fine. << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575987 1704771;1503978090;a111;Logged on 2016-12-01 20:37 mircea_popescu: A student told his friend, "My teacher has amazing powers. He moves a pen in the air and characters appear on a piece of paper held on the other side of the river. What does your master do?" His friend replied "My great master follows Zen. When he is hungry, he eats and when he is tired he sleeps." 1704772;1503978127;kanzure;alright so you're an instructor... just like 400 million other idiots. 1704773;1503978136;mircea_popescu;heh. 1704774;1503978142;kanzure;(actually it's not that bad. there's probably less than 400 million of them.) 1704775;1503978429;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704721 << recall gabriel_laddel ? who slept through 'boring old' newton's laws, but is 'expert' on, what was it, string derpery, etc 1704776;1503978429;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 03:28 mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields. 1704777;1503978442;asciilifeform;pestilential, this. 1704778;1503978443;mircea_popescu;not specifically. but it's common, i see it lots. 1704779;1503978469;BingoBoingo;In other news, Taylor Swift released an awesome white power anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmd-ClpJxA 1704780;1503979297;mircea_popescu;!!ssh 131.252.130.248 1704781;1503979307;mircea_popescu;hmm which was it. 1704782;1503979325;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 131.252.130.248 1704783;1503979355;mircea_popescu;kanzure re "broken while uploaded" : tell fenn phuctor has not just all the pgp keys ; but also all the ssh keys, though apparently not the one for his home computer. and to stop being so superficial wtf. 1704784;1503979414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we're ~61% though the Framedragger dataset atm. 1704785;1503979439;mircea_popescu;aha. not to mention you know, http://trilema.com/2016/internet-census-2016/ and so on. 1704786;1503979457;asciilifeform;( after this -- Framedragger take2; then ssl ... ) 1704787;1503979461;mircea_popescu;but then again this is how the whole "democracy" derp dies, "publish the data so people who don't have the time to study it don't study it" 1704788;1503979507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, why would they want to study it! can simply 'unhappen' it. i suspect they will not even flinch when we start formatting their hdds 1704789;1503979513;asciilifeform;and zeroing their fw. 1704790;1503979527;mircea_popescu;o lol, what was that, i recall something in this vein 1704791;1503979533;mircea_popescu;oh oh, the alt-power dorks, right right. 1704792;1503979730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : in other news, cat *.log | wc -l > 1231786. 1704793;1503979738;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1231786 / 365 / 5 1704794;1503979739;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1231786 / 365 / 5 = 674.9512328767123 1704795;1503979751;asciilifeform;today's?! 1704796;1503979753;mircea_popescu;reasonably active. 1704797;1503979759;mircea_popescu;nah, all time. 5 years or so. 1704798;1503979761;asciilifeform;aa 1704799;1503979779;asciilifeform;aaah the heathens 1704800;1503979782;asciilifeform;that's what, a month of us. 1704801;1503979787;asciilifeform;in 5y... 1704802;1503979789;mircea_popescu;nah, about 5 years. 1704803;1503979801;mircea_popescu;what's the noise level here, 500-1k lines a day or something like that. about same. 1704804;1503979836;asciilifeform;#gavins or wherever, about same, i suspect ( if largely part-join spamola ) 1704805;1503979846;mircea_popescu;ah, i didn't specifically exclude that. lessee. 1704806;1503979930;mircea_popescu;cat *log | grep -v ' \[~' | wc -l > 921344 1704807;1503979935;mircea_popescu;notrly that bad. 1/3 or so. 1704808;1503980011;asciilifeform;now if only it were something more interesting than thiel fellatio, string-theoretical quantum mimblewimbles, and gaseous nutritions... 1704809;1503980050;asciilifeform;( so far is all i saw ) 1704810;1503980067;mircea_popescu;time has a splendid way of resolving such uncertainties. 1704811;1503980129;asciilifeform;whole thing reeks rancidly of 'bay aryan'. whether there is something of substance buried beneath the kilometres of sludge -- i cannot say. 1704812;1503980160;mircea_popescu;i think one of the major advantages of my not living there is starting to shape itself pretty clearly. you're rather reactively allergic, aren't you alfie. 1704813;1503980171;BingoBoingo;'bay aryan' is just another way of spelling 'gay carrion' 1704814;1503980194;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i live to see the thermoablation of shitifornia, i will have lived long enough. 1704815;1503980284;asciilifeform;ideally 1 perfect sheet of glass, not 1 tree standing. 1704816;1503980303;mircea_popescu;dja have any idea what that'd cost ? 1704817;1503980314;asciilifeform;well clearly toomuch. but can dream!11 1704818;1503980327;mircea_popescu;nobody's doing it. this is like "i want him so shot fulla lead, it's practically a 2x2 lead sheet he impacts with". 1704819;1503980334;mircea_popescu;"but sir... that's kinda not how bullets work" 1704820;1503980335;asciilifeform;wellyes. 1704821;1503980345;asciilifeform;recall scene from '100 yrs of solitude' 1704822;1503980348;asciilifeform;with the wheelbarrow. 1704823;1503980376;mircea_popescu;really though, what did minessota ever do to you 1704824;1503980379;mircea_popescu;or to anyone for that matter. 1704825;1503980379;asciilifeform;and will point out, glass sheet consisting of former 'bay area' ~is~ possible. 1704826;1503980430;asciilifeform;pretty much all of nerve center of derpistan is a few square km, today just as it was in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703758 . 1704827;1503980430;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 20:03 mircea_popescu: the stupid cunt universally depicted in movies comes from the boston common, a one square mile area of little distinction. 1704828;1503980458;mircea_popescu;yeah. complete ablation not the way to go, even the mongols left a blind and a deaf man to tell the story. 1704829;1503980486;mircea_popescu;16:53 < nmz787> hmm, there's a new biotech thing starting on the floor below genspace (or at least where genspace was) << i wonder if this sorta thing ever gives them any pause. 1704830;1503980489;asciilifeform;pretty sure that the curative asteroid would also leave behind a few blind,deaf crapple campus janitor, to tell tale. 1704831;1503980576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform saw the lulzy part where superficial fenn correctly identifies usg as "a bunch of neonazis that want to gas everybody except themselves" ? 1704832;1503980586;asciilifeform;entirely correct 1704833;1503980589;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 1704834;1503980593;mircea_popescu;even the blind clock... 1704835;1503980599;asciilifeform;aha. 1704836;1503980665;mircea_popescu;anyway. kinda not so much there that i want to read other days on its basis. 1704837;1503980675;asciilifeform;btw the original 'donor blood' BcHE 'bioscavenger' thing -- afaik still in production. when you donate blood in usa, chances are, some of it goes to help lizards survive their inevitable someday contact with the curative gas. 1704838;1503980681;mircea_popescu;kanzure recommend a coupla good log days in your estimation if you will. 1704839;1503980686;asciilifeform;as 20k-usd/dose prophylactic. 1704840;1503980704;mircea_popescu;heh 1704841;1503980713;mircea_popescu;not even that expensive. one openbsd. 1704842;1503980721;asciilifeform;per fucktard per day. 1704843;1503980735;mircea_popescu;sounds about right 1704844;1503980757;asciilifeform;y'know, the old legends re liches drinking blood of young ? well, these -- do. 1704845;1503980759;asciilifeform;literally. 1704846;1503980851;mircea_popescu;hey. there's nothing wrong with ilya muromets kills the koschei. BUT! there's also nothing wrong when koschei kills all the fucktarded uppity youth who weren't ilya. 1704847;1503980893;asciilifeform;they largely die of boredom. 1704848;1503980904;asciilifeform;turns out -- koschei's sharpest knife. 1704849;1503980920;mircea_popescu;guess so. 1704850;1503981014;asciilifeform;oh, speaking of death by boredom, 1704851;1503981016;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7KayJ/?raw=true 1704852;1503981068;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh 1704853;1503981083;asciilifeform;unfuckingbelievable. 1704854;1503981181;BingoBoingo;From the WhatTheFun mines: "I come from the Houston area and have been heartbroken about the damage and scenes from Harvey. I decided to donate $250 and asked my girlfriend if she would match it. She agreed, and then when I asked if she had given to the Red Cross or someone else, I learned that she donated to the Humane Society. I know she’s absolutely nuts about animals, especially our own dogs, but to give to animals when people are 1704855;1503981181;BingoBoingo;in trouble seems heartless to me. She’s much more politically active than I am, and I finally asked if she did that to avoid the possibility of giving money to someone who voted for Trump, and she admitted that was one of the reasons. I think that’s awful, and we’ve been fighting about it ever since. She thinks as a gay woman I should see her side, but I just can’t." 1704856;1503981212;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wait till she learns how the street dogz of houston, voted. 1704857;1503981218;mircea_popescu;lmao 1704858;1503981225;BingoBoingo;Make Kibble Great Again! 1704859;1503981236;mircea_popescu;fun fact : dogs grab pussy all teh time ; would have all voted trump. 1704860;1503981242;mircea_popescu;nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do. 1704861;1503981287;asciilifeform;they'll root out the menstruators, also, as if pig -- truffle 1704862;1503981365;mod6;aha 1704863;1503981439;BingoBoingo; nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do. << lettuce not forget the Human Society's other priority, the cats! Cats who fleece old women society while snorting catnip and other drugs during pussy grabbing orgies. 1704864;1503981856;BingoBoingo;Companion animals are deeply alt-conservative. 1704865;1503982380;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1704866;1503982388;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4380.0, vol: 6935.74503788 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4377.4, vol: 16393.35961664 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4390.0, vol: 3588.52097016 | Volume-weighted last average: 4379.74969838 1704867;1503982612;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/bitcoin-faucet/ << Daniel P. Barron - Bitcoin Faucet 1704868;1503984076;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1013D0B88AA943868BE25B8727E44671623A0CB511CAD07B0B5D139B0527BA27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1541...2109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.4 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (server474.mivitec.net. DE) 1704869;1503984076;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1013D0B88AA943868BE25B8727E44671623A0CB511CAD07B0B5D139B0527BA27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1562...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.4 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (server474.mivitec.net. DE) 1704870;1503985016;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron "scandalous" 1704871;1503985045;mircea_popescu;and wd on the half dolla a day huh. 1704872;1503985106;danielpbarron;ty 1704873;1503985123;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in faux old country, http://68.media.tumblr.com/72c80abf2a2846b3bf55b9664b6dc899/tumblr_nw5mofCDbh1uxetfho1_1280.jpg 1704874;1503985164;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11167DCDC406092023DA152068952BA67F3F0B74C0DF9A048062961C0D39204C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1459...5807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.94.174 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.94.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (lvps87-230-94-174.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW) 1704875;1503985164;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11167DCDC406092023DA152068952BA67F3F0B74C0DF9A048062961C0D39204C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1717...0683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.94.174 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.94.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (lvps87-230-94-174.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW) 1704876;1503987006;ben_vulpes;daily paranoid fantasies: https://www.gq.com/story/the-great-pot-monopoly-mystery 1704877;1503987174;mircea_popescu;heh. and doh. 1704878;1504001689;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703826 <-- aha. wouldn't surprise me if profiling were possible from "sandboxed" js, a la https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.06955.pdf or similar attacks 1704879;1504001689;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:03 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity17/sec17-tang.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gw8Sr/?raw=true << ever wonder what 'power management' controller is actually for ? ( answer: fault injection, so nsa can help your, e.g., chineseremaindertheorem-using rsatron, shit out privkey ) 1704880;1504001915;spyked;(text version: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ro4vU/?raw=true ) 1704881;1504003937;kanzure;mircea_popescu: http://gnusha.org/logs/?C=S;O=D 1704882;1504004061;kanzure;mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log 1704883;1504011447;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care. 1704884;1504011447;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 03:26 kanzure: if operatig the yudkowsy parody twitter account for five years is insufficient to convince you that i absolutely hate the person, then what would? 1704885;1504013020;phf;there was a wiki in 2005 or so, called "mentat wiki". i think it was cool not so much for the content as the premise. it was supposed to be a collection of techniques for memory recall, arithmetic, problem solving, that sort of stuff. 1704886;1504013082;phf;but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune" 1704887;1504013152;phf;but the name was obviously tongue in cheek 1704888;1504013491;phf;my impression is all that lesswrong, rationalwiki, yudkowsky, etc. is basically mentat wiki that took itself seriously. 1704889;1504014478;kanzure;you're still lumping me in with the "rationalists"? 1704890;1504014814;*;shinohai catches up on megalog with coffee .... [~]D 1704891;1504015125;phf;well, that aside wasn't about you, but about yudkowsky. 1704892;1504015143;kanzure;alright 1704893;1504015228;phf;but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist". 1704894;1504015646;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704628 <<< This dialogue between asciilifeform and kanzure boils down to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html imho 1704895;1504015646;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 02:59 asciilifeform: 'can't use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing. 1704896;1504015662;shinohai;(Many thanks to mod6 for such eloquent words) 1704897;1504015808;kanzure;phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering. 1704898;1504016751;*;asciilifeform just made it through entomological swarmpile http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 -- was really sumthing 1704899;1504016751;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 10:54 kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log 1704900;1504016788;asciilifeform;picture, these people : 1704901;1504016789;asciilifeform;19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids 1704902;1504016798;asciilifeform;19:41 <@fenn> but now that there's no patent, still no free bacteria 1704903;1504016834;asciilifeform;or... 1704904;1504016837;asciilifeform;17:11 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are you the 1%? 1704905;1504016837;asciilifeform;17:12 < kanzure> why do you ask? 1704906;1504016837;asciilifeform;17:12 < justanotheruser> kanzure: because you buy stuff for a bunch of people on IRC in the name of science 1704907;1504016837;asciilifeform;17:12 < justanotheruser> sounds like what a scientist would do if he became a 1%er 1704908;1504016837;asciilifeform;17:12 < seba-> really 1704909;1504016838;asciilifeform;17:13 < kanzure> i am probably 1% 1704910;1504016840;asciilifeform;17:13 < seba-> kanzure buys stuff 1704911;1504016842;asciilifeform;17:13 < seba-> so cool 1704912;1504016846;asciilifeform;17:13 < seba-> what will you buy me 1704913;1504016871;asciilifeform;kanzure: you've been doing this since... '07? or when. what do you and the platoon of talkers have to show for it ? where is the desktop-biolab-on-a-chip ? 1704914;1504016884;asciilifeform;or how about this gem: 1704915;1504016887;asciilifeform;15:06 < kanzure> uh, my complaint about lasers isn't about the laser itself, but rather the optics usually associated (or, in cases where i need to maintain a co2 tube, i also mean co2 tubes) 1704916;1504016901;asciilifeform;srsly, 'too hard to maintain co2 tube and exhaust' ? let's-go-shopping ? 1704917;1504016916;asciilifeform;even i have a working co2 setup. and i'm not even '1%'. 1704918;1504016923;asciilifeform;i dun even live in fucking califuckia 1704919;1504017023;asciilifeform;or... 15:26 <@fenn> now this may sound radically radical, but why not just use a metal tube << this and elsewhere, demonstrates that any and all of these people, are innocent of having ever worked with their hands, or studied so much as kindergarten experimental physics, chemistry, take yer pick 1704920;1504017048;asciilifeform;srsly, steel body for rf-excited laser tube ?! 1704921;1504017061;asciilifeform;i can't decide if this is more or less hilarious than gaseous food. 1704922;1504017087;phf;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704255 1704923;1504017087;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:07 phf: it is certainly because you haven't found the right pdfs 1704924;1504017093;asciilifeform;evidently! 1704925;1504017110;asciilifeform;there's 50x moar gem material in that there linked log, but i will spare the reader. 1704926;1504020428;kanzure;asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator? 1704927;1504020460;kanzure;prefering solid state lasers to co2 tubes is not a crime. but you're welcome to chase ancient tech. 1704928;1504020569;kanzure;interesting how you dismiss the possibility of "hand work" by some irc logs. i guess his equipment is totally fake, huh. (wtf?) 1704929;1504020608;trinque;quote logs or gtfo, seriously. 1704930;1504020626;trinque;this sloppiness is not how threads go in the forum. 1704931;1504020647;kanzure;yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit) 1704932;1504020693;kanzure;like i said, this all seems like a bunch of noise. you're welcome to haphazardly flounce around but at least be honest with as much. 1704933;1504020802;trinque;!!rate kanzure -1 No one here need prove himself to you. 1704934;1504020804;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MCR2U/?raw=true 1704935;1504020818;trinque;!!v B66761AE8F397CA668DD9E96E7E180BD55F68139DDA31A79C37BAA98C8D6087F 1704936;1504020819;deedbot;trinque rated kanzure -1 << No one here need prove himself to you. 1704937;1504020857;kanzure;such discipline 1704938;1504021671;asciilifeform;kanzure: largest ir laserdiode i was able to find on nongoldentoilet market, is 30w. 1704939;1504021686;asciilifeform;( and it costs == to what my tube cost, and ~likewise~ needs water cooling. ) 1704940;1504021703;asciilifeform;so not sure what is the improvement, other than a slightly less-breakable setup. 1704941;1504021774;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704931 << i designed, make, and sell, a physical product, kanzure . what do you sell ? 1704942;1504021774;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 15:30 kanzure: yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit) 1704943;1504021786;asciilifeform;other than a usgcomplianceshitcoin. 1704944;1504021866;shinohai; This is a single achievement btw .... asciilifeform is responsible for `V` which I also consider a product. 1704945;1504021871;asciilifeform;the 1 item i'm still curious about, before the floor hatch opens to eject kanzure , is why the hell he is here 1704946;1504021884;kanzure;i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes 1704947;1504021895;asciilifeform;there are . they're five-figures. 1704948;1504021901;asciilifeform;my tube -- 300bux./ 1704949;1504021911;kanzure;right.. so they exist. 1704950;1504021925;asciilifeform;of course they exist. but q was 'why the hell still using tubes' 1704951;1504021930;asciilifeform;because diode -- still golden toilet. 1704952;1504021956;kanzure;i think generally we should prefer less breakable things; i'm not convinced that the non-tubes should be expensive. 1704953;1504021973;asciilifeform;kanzure: if you're selling kilowatt 1000nm diode -- i'll buy ! 1704954;1504021974;asciilifeform;six! 1704955;1504021993;asciilifeform;... if costs less than tube. 1704956;1504022015;kanzure;this is sounding more and more like a market. there's even demand. hmm. 1704957;1504022047;asciilifeform;kanzure: there's ~infinite demand. 1704958;1504022053;asciilifeform;tubes suck. 1704959;1504022063;asciilifeform;but currently best bang for the buck, by order of magnitude. 1704960;1504022075;asciilifeform;~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still. 1704961;1504022114;asciilifeform;diode could take over in hobbyist niche, if 30W diode didn't cost same as 100W tube. ( 30w cutter is a toy, fit only for carving porn into wooden planks ) 1704962;1504022130;kanzure;do you know why the laser diodes are expensive? 1704963;1504022144;asciilifeform;can't say that i do 1704964;1504022148;asciilifeform;will guess -- small runs. 1704965;1504022163;kanzure;ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason. 1704966;1504022226;asciilifeform;how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc 1704967;1504022272;asciilifeform;pro tip : piss on american patents, 'regulations', decrees. 1704968;1504022290;asciilifeform;boosts not only your profit margin, but respectability, 100x. 1704969;1504022325;asciilifeform;if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ? 1704970;1504022332;asciilifeform;get out, to the free world. 1704971;1504022362;asciilifeform;take a fat, greasy shit right into the mouth of 'intellectual property', 'bioethics', misc. retardations. 1704972;1504022435;asciilifeform;visit pyongyang. moscow. betcha there are sane folx there, who will listen when you offer cheap laserdiode, microplate analytical box, etc 1704973;1504022459;asciilifeform;( the flip side: if you don't deliver on schedule, might lose your head... but you WILL deliver, neh? 0 1704974;1504022460;asciilifeform;) 1704975;1504022525;kanzure;apparently you forgot the reason why i entered. i had a question and it has been answered ("nah we only do noise- it's intentional though, so it's okay to be worthless.") 1704976;1504022536;asciilifeform;project much ? 1704977;1504022549;asciilifeform;where is the www where i can order kanzure's physical product ? 1704978;1504022552;kanzure;it's literally the answer i was given 1704979;1504022558;asciilifeform;so far i see only the page where i can read his noise 1704980;1504022563;kanzure;do you mean the electroporator? which thing are you buying and why? 1704981;1504022586;asciilifeform;electroporator is trivial, i can get surplus one or make own for a hundy 1704982;1504022593;asciilifeform;how about cheap laser diode ? 1704983;1504022601;asciilifeform;or desktop ic fab 1704984;1504022610;kanzure;that's not something 've been working on. so i'm not sure it merits surprise that i don't have one? 1704985;1504022624;asciilifeform;fine, desktop hplc ? 1704986;1504022626;asciilifeform;gcms? 1704987;1504022632;asciilifeform;iirc you were making one in '07 1704988;1504022637;asciilifeform;i'd buy 1704989;1504022650;kanzure;hplc in 2007 no that doesn't sound right. might have been someone else. 1704990;1504022669;asciilifeform;aite... what DO you have ? can haz catalogue ? 1704991;1504022709;kanzure;that's a reasonable request. i'll make catalog. 1704992;1504023091;asciilifeform;plenty of unsolved technical problems, of the 'yes, golden toilet from lockheed exists, but how about a human-priced version that pisses on patents and 'property'' 1704993;1504023110;asciilifeform;i'd buy a desktop atomic force microscope, say. 1704994;1504023121;asciilifeform;or compact electron microscope. 1704995;1504023121;kanzure;i bought a FIB recently btw. have you played with one? 1704996;1504023135;asciilifeform;nope. but would buy ! 1704997;1504023141;kanzure;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focused_ion_beam 1704998;1504023145;asciilifeform;supposing it were cheap, but, even more importantly, SMALL 1704999;1504023176;kanzure;yea had to get a forklift to move this thing 1705000;1504023229;asciilifeform;my microscopy plans are very modest : 1uM ic dies. 1705001;1504023270;kanzure;1 micron feature size? 1705002;1504023277;asciilifeform;aha 1705003;1504023283;asciilifeform;early 1990s. 1705004;1504023294;asciilifeform;what do you image with your FIB, kanzure ? 1705005;1504023304;kanzure;yes i am not sure why everyone wants to obsess over 28nm these days. 1705006;1504023330;kanzure;FIB was recently acquired, currently sitting in crate, needs to be uncrated at goon house 1705007;1504023351;asciilifeform;so... purchased 'just in case' ? 1705008;1504023367;asciilifeform;( nuffin' wrong with that, i suppose, if you have infinite floor space ) 1705009;1504023369;kanzure;just in case it works? haha 1705010;1504023385;kanzure;infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip 1705011;1504023425;asciilifeform;lol 1705012;1504023453;asciilifeform;( i assumed 'goon house' means warehouse with 'infinite' floor or similar ) 1705013;1504023495;kanzure;no it's literally someone's house. 1705014;1504023538;asciilifeform;aah 1705015;1504023615;asciilifeform;fib is interesting to be strictly from home-fab pov 1705016;1504023618;asciilifeform;*to me 1705017;1504023641;asciilifeform;but it scarcely qualifies, costwise, as 'home' 1705018;1504023720;asciilifeform;( and yes, i am no stranger to buying surplus instruments. but they only SEEM cheap. what if you needed 25 of them ? or a guarantee that they continue to work for six months, without major interruption ? then welcome back to seven-figure list price. ) 1705019;1504023807;asciilifeform;kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp. 1705020;1504023814;asciilifeform;( soft and iron both. ) 1705021;1504023831;asciilifeform;one that : 1705022;1504023834;asciilifeform;#!s fits in head 1705023;1504023841;asciilifeform;grr 1705024;1504023841;asciilifeform;!#s fits in head 1705025;1504023842;a111;121 results for "fits in head", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fits%20in%20head 1705026;1504023859;asciilifeform;( moar detail here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , if yer curious . ) 1705027;1504023865;trinque;I still hold that wording it that way is ass-backwards. 1705028;1504023875;asciilifeform;trinque: say moar ? 1705029;1504023900;shinohai;#!/usr/bin/deedbot 1705030;1504023912;asciilifeform;lol 1705031;1504023917;trinque;lolwat 1705032;1504023925;shinohai;^____________^ 1705033;1504023936;trinque;asciilifeform: it is because of the size of your head that the problem must fit in it, neh? 1705034;1504023961;kanzure;clarify "100% nato-free workers comp" ? 1705035;1504023966;asciilifeform;trinque: the things that were not designed with fit-in-head, fit in NO head. 1705036;1504023973;asciilifeform;kanzure: workstation 1705037;1504023977;asciilifeform;as in, the item on your desk 1705038;1504023978;trinque;"goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes 1705039;1504024008;asciilifeform;as in, machine for cad, crypto, chitchat, breaking rsa, viewing pr0n, whichever it is that one does. 1705040;1504024034;asciilifeform;trinque: i don't disagree 1705041;1504024126;asciilifeform;kanzure: 'nato-free' means, approximately, 'no place for nsa to hide'. 1705042;1504024138;kanzure;yep understood. 1705043;1504024170;kanzure;why took so long for the black ice storm whatever clifford wolfyap fpga stuff? 1705044;1504024183;asciilifeform;which means NO black boxes, NO ic for which i did not personally approve the gate layout, and NO c/cpp code anywhere inside, as well as machine arch which boundschecks all array accesses. 1705045;1504024196;asciilifeform;kanzure: ask the folx who did the reversing, not me, why took so long. 1705046;1504024207;asciilifeform;presumably they had to pry apart the closed x86 floorplanner turds. 1705047;1504024232;kanzure;"oh no i'll have to figure out an acid bath" siliconpr0n.org guy seems to do it regularly 1705048;1504024255;asciilifeform;i don't recall him ever going from micrograph to fpga bitstream format 1705049;1504024258;asciilifeform;( would be spiffy tho. ) 1705050;1504024262;kanzure;uhh yes? 1705051;1504024267;kanzure;https://github.com/nitram2342/degate 1705052;1504024308;asciilifeform;kanzure: ever used ? 1705053;1504024324;asciilifeform;understand what even 0.00001% ocr error rate means in re ic layout ? 1705054;1504024338;kanzure;like errors when reading the nth dram cell matter 1705055;1504024361;asciilifeform;who promised that it will be 'nth dram cell' ? 1705056;1504024368;asciilifeform;and not somewhere else. 1705057;1504024416;kanzure;anyway what was the goal, i thought it was established that circuit was insufficient, given doping layer trojans (yes there was a follow-up article but it was dumb) 1705058;1504024444;asciilifeform;kanzure: i've always wanted to discuss, with clueful folx, what specifically one ought to put in 'doping trojan' to sabotage an fpga 1705059;1504024453;asciilifeform;where you (opponent) have no idea what will be loaded, and where. 1705060;1504024504;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << pertinent thread 1705061;1504024504;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.' 1705062;1504024526;kanzure;why do you have goals but mp not 1705063;1504024553;asciilifeform;because i am an engineer ( for bread -- reverse-engineer ) , not an emperor 1705064;1504024580;kanzure;are you about to start quoting galtse.cx to me 1705065;1504024585;asciilifeform;nfi what that is/was. 1705066;1504024591;kanzure;http://galtse.cx/ it's pretty bad 1705067;1504024597;asciilifeform;never seen. 1705068;1504024670;trinque;ah look he's on dick pulling again 1705069;1504024686;asciilifeform;trinque: humour the man. maybe he learns something. ( maybe even -- we learn something ) 1705070;1504024732;asciilifeform;consider, kanzure , let's say you're fuhrer of ftmeade. which transistor in the 9572 will you diddle, to undetectably sabotage FUCKGOATS. 1705071;1504024762;kanzure;no i don't have an answer, i just have peripheral knowledge of this type of attack, not specific masks to go attack RNGs 1705072;1504024846;asciilifeform;kanzure: it's an fpga . 1705073;1504024868;kanzure;i forget what the response was to the response though... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14848708327718832242&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en 1705074;1504024884;asciilifeform;takes 2 arbitrary waveforms, on the 2 input jacks, has nfi whether they come from the analogue boards that ship with the unit, or from audit machine. 1705075;1504024893;asciilifeform;( which expects, e.g., a TB output, known only to the auditor ) 1705076;1504024932;asciilifeform;kanzure: believe or not, i keep up with the literature. tell me how to boobytrap fpga. 1705077;1504024964;asciilifeform;so that instead of the specified circuit, it instead does something different. and such that i and the buyers, do not immediately find out . 1705078;1504024975;kanzure;are you willing to accept sufficiently shit fpgas? you can do something like massive buffering of the bitstream and then do analysis to check for known circuits in a lookup table :\. 1705079;1504024997;asciilifeform;kanzure: what means 'shit fpga' ? 1705080;1504025002;kanzure;low performance 1705081;1504025020;kanzure;notably annoying when setting the bitstream up 1705082;1504025025;asciilifeform;there aren't many smaller fpga sold than the 9572. 1705083;1504025028;asciilifeform;72 macrocells. 1705084;1504025032;asciilifeform;( it's a cpld, to be pedantic. ) 1705085;1504025065;asciilifeform;picture you as the enemy. you control the fab. what is your next move ? 1705086;1504025121;asciilifeform;if you substitute a chip that shits out prng stream, in place of the transform specified in http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fg-genesis.vpatch -- it will be immediately obvious to anyone who follows my audit recipe. 1705087;1504025146;asciilifeform;( and for so long as 1 honest unit exists, for yoke test -- to even a child, working with bare hands ) 1705088;1504025799;asciilifeform;lol that link seems to consist entirely of... monologues from atlasfucked 1705089;1504025872;asciilifeform;( should've guessed, 'galtse', lol ) 1705090;1504025943;asciilifeform;out of curiousity, kanzure , in what do you read, other than english ? 1705091;1504026228;kanzure;illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here 1705092;1504026251;kanzure;i pretend to read all kinds of languages, but mostly english 1705093;1504026268;asciilifeform;pretty serious concern 1705094;1504026288;asciilifeform;!#s esl 1705095;1504026289;a111;79 results for "esl", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esl 1705096;1504026301;shinohai;yup ESLtard 1705097;1504027253;shinohai;"I put all my mETH on a rooted Google pocket surveillance device, how could it possibly all be gone?" http://archive.is/sL9Rj 1705098;1504028342;asciilifeform;lol, and witness the 'montrezors' in linked thread 1705099;1504029273;BingoBoingo; it's literally the answer i was given << I can't find this re-reading log at all 1705100;1504029326;BingoBoingo; yea had to get a forklift to move this thing << Do you still have forklift? What kind, is it for sale? 1705101;1504029529;BingoBoingo;trinque: How is the ongoing weather? Perhaps submit a piece on that if reallity differs from what is on tv? 1705102;1504030281;kanzure;forklift was temp rented 1705103;1504030340;kanzure;BingoBoingo: re: random, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704384 1705104;1504030340;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:39 kanzure: you could safely argue it would look like a plot of the sha256 function against a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that 1705105;1504030778;BingoBoingo;kanzure: Ah, was hoping maybe you had something cool you were looking to unload. 1705106;1504030876;mircea_popescu;kanzure is this a girl one of yours ? 1705107;1504030894;kanzure;confusion 1705108;1504030896;kanzure;what? 1705109;1504030905;kanzure;BingoBoingo: i unloaded the FIB from a trailer, if that's what you mean. 1705110;1504030924;kanzure;(i didn't. it was someone else. but you get it.) 1705111;1504030931;mircea_popescu;kanzure http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811 1705112;1504030968;kanzure;not one of mine 1705113;1504030973;BingoBoingo;kanzure: Well, cheap used forklifts are like anything else. There's collector's markets, enthusiast clubs, and modding hobbyists. Though mebbe you'd picked up a cheap one. 1705114;1504030987;kanzure;i see 1705115;1504031003;kanzure;do people put flame stickers on forklifts and sell higher? 1705116;1504031019;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo in which vein : coupla weeks ago saw angry forklift beeping while driving down this hill road (like 15% incline, crazy serpentines etc) 1705117;1504031034;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15F4FA38A9D548A96D3C479721A62823BC7C76EC8C0B0E6DA74E3BD0E36EBC4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1513...6157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.175.153.55 (ssh-rsa key from 212.175.153.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown TR) 1705118;1504031034;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15F4FA38A9D548A96D3C479721A62823BC7C76EC8C0B0E6DA74E3BD0E36EBC4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1797...1043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.175.153.55 (ssh-rsa key from 212.175.153.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown TR) 1705119;1504031063;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sweet, was it one of those little toyota LPG trucks? 1705120;1504031070;mircea_popescu;had to have the lift raised or else would have suspended itself 1705121;1504031075;BingoBoingo;lol 1705122;1504031083;mircea_popescu;no, it was very much a supermarket forklift, plain and simple 1705123;1504031089;mircea_popescu;tiny wheels no air etc. 1705124;1504031096;BingoBoingo;Yeah, toyota makes those 1705125;1504031099;mircea_popescu;ah k 1705126;1504031111;BingoBoingo;orange and off-navy blue paint 1705127;1504031115;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it was electric 1705128;1504031116;mircea_popescu;yeah 1705129;1504031170;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704878 << seems likely actually. 1705130;1504031170;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 10:14 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703826 <-- aha. wouldn't surprise me if profiling were possible from "sandboxed" js, a la https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.06955.pdf or similar attacks 1705131;1504031171;BingoBoingo;The electrics tend to not be roadable at all. 4 points base instead of 3, etc 1705132;1504031182;mircea_popescu;quite. 1705133;1504031216;BingoBoingo;kanzure: Well, sometimes a big oem doesn't make a truck that quite exactly fits your job or your site 1705134;1504031216;mircea_popescu;it bumped lots lol. 1705135;1504031278;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Those things are fun. Like a morbidly obese golf cart. 1705136;1504031297;mircea_popescu;apt 1705137;1504031313;BingoBoingo;Even then, negative turning radius 1705138;1504031333;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704883 << i had nfi the *humanist crowd was large enough to have factions. 1705139;1504031333;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 12:57 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care. 1705140;1504031411;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704886 << my understanding of " a mentat from dune" was "a guy who takes a lot of showers", rather than what i discovered later was the general us view on the matter, "guy who does lots of xword puzzles". i have nfi where that typically 80s idea "xword puzzles make you smart" came from. 1705141;1504031411;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 13:24 phf: but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune" 1705142;1504031426;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever read 'dune' ? 1705143;1504031437;mircea_popescu;yes, i did read the original coupla books, as a 15yo boy. 1705144;1504031443;mircea_popescu;i did not read the sequels. 1705145;1504031449;asciilifeform;they were rubbish 1705146;1504031460;mircea_popescu;i was busy with girls by then. 1705147;1504031474;asciilifeform;original was entertaining. mentat was a sort of artisan, humancalculator-rationator. 1705148;1504031487;mircea_popescu;yes, but in a mystical rather than artisanal sense 1705149;1504031499;asciilifeform;( a more refined variant of the real-life 19th c profession of 'calculator' ) 1705150;1504031520;mircea_popescu;ie, like a very beautiful girl ; not like a very well trained $sport boy. 1705151;1504031563;asciilifeform;in the b00k, it was described that they were selected & trained, and somewhat rare ( i.e. if yours got killed, it was an expensive problem , to replace ) 1705152;1504031590;mircea_popescu;right. which is why in my mind it's represented as a sort of you know, moon. "you can't reboot the machine without knowing what it's doing" 1705153;1504031630;mircea_popescu;you can't train into being moon ; and if you are moon you can train while playing civ or golden axe. i know i did. 1705154;1504031662;asciilifeform;herbert does not say ~how~ they got trained. 1705155;1504031696;asciilifeform;much of the appeal of the b00k, imho, was that it left such detail to imagination. 1705156;1504031715;asciilifeform;as soon as he started shitting out sequels where the details filled in -- permanent ruin. 1705157;1504031723;mircea_popescu;indeed. and much of the result is that it creates different notions in different people. 1705158;1504031728;asciilifeform;aha. 1705159;1504031742;mircea_popescu;but you're very much correct, and yes, the #1 skill of mp-writer is exactly "do not specify". 1705160;1504031767;mircea_popescu;it's plain to notice, too, all the fanfic porn on literotica or whatever always has these stat cards, "she was so and so and tits like that and the other". 1705161;1504031779;mircea_popescu;that ain't literature anymore than memory-trained monkey is thinker. 1705162;1504031938;mircea_popescu;i think the later author (iirc the sequels weren't written by the original, but some son or inheritor at any rate) suffered very much from the equalizing stupidity (ie, unaware of differences, thinking self equivalent to anyone) who then imagined "what people want" is "to have blanks filled in" and produced very much http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/#selection-67.187-67.188 1705163;1504031963;asciilifeform;a few of them were , sadly, by herbert 1705164;1504031966;asciilifeform;rest -- iirc by son 1705165;1504031976;mircea_popescu;ah ok 1705166;1504031985;asciilifeform;but the observation stands. 1705167;1504031996;asciilifeform;orig b00k rocked because left much to imagination. 1705168;1504032010;asciilifeform;this is an extremely common thing. 1705169;1504032047;mircea_popescu;goes right back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704371 ; it's very easy as an author to write great books -- write books that only appeal to the intelligent and get a free ride on your reader's backs. 1705170;1504032047;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:35 mircea_popescu: because the political power is a super-2 exponential on smarts, whereas cost is a logarithmic on stupidity, it's very easy to be powerful hanging out with smart people. almost as easy as it is to go bankrupt hanging out with many people. 1705171;1504032074;asciilifeform;how all - afaik - good sf -- worked. ( notice, past tense.. ) 1705172;1504032077;mircea_popescu;kinda why literature was a thing in 1700 france ; was not a thing in 1900s us. 1705173;1504032192;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1705174;1504032198;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4576.83, vol: 11618.48623201 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4582.1, vol: 30841.70199112 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4583.0, vol: 5106.36394352 | Volume-weighted last average: 4580.90937986 1705175;1504032211;asciilifeform;http://gnusha.org/logs/2017-08-29.log << lulzy, i had nfi adlai wanted to work pr for us!111 1705176;1504032228;mircea_popescu;eh. 1705177;1504032264;asciilifeform;lol, 01:53 < fenn> somehow i knew both these names and never put it together 1705178;1504032271;asciilifeform;this is what, the 5th d00d. 1705179;1504032282;mircea_popescu;hurr. SUPERFICIALITY. 1705180;1504032300;mircea_popescu;they get trained by tv and candy crush to be as superficial as possible because it reduces production costs significantly. 1705181;1504032309;asciilifeform;trained? 1705182;1504032316;asciilifeform;wolf in the forest, also trained? 1705183;1504032321;mircea_popescu;THEN they keep biting the steel girder in any real interaction, because guess what, if you're not watching tv the conventions of tv world aren't enforceable. 1705184;1504032327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to a large degree yes. 1705185;1504032336;mircea_popescu;you know you can have wolf pups that don'\t attack the farm animals ? 1705186;1504032364;asciilifeform;you can have tiger that also dun attack. so long as he's fed. and in good mood. neh? 1705187;1504032370;mircea_popescu;quite. 1705188;1504032385;mircea_popescu;a recall the gazelle and cheetahs scenes ? 1705189;1504032390;asciilifeform;aha 1705190;1504032399;mircea_popescu;such adorbs. 1705191;1504032429;asciilifeform;01:26 < adlai> hint: try finding the 2nd factor 1705192;1504032430;asciilifeform;01:28 < fenn> i don't know how to do that and not interested in learning right now 1705193;1504032437;asciilifeform;^ summarizes. 1705194;1504032439;mircea_popescu;o.O 1705195;1504032469;mircea_popescu;dude this possibly takes the cake. i mean the previous contender was what, something in basic physics. but this is... 1705196;1504032521;mircea_popescu;wtf transfuckinghumanism! there's all this basic humanism stuff to be still mastered! 1705197;1504032527;asciilifeform;very easy to kneel to the majesty of nsa, when you skipped kindergarten and have nfi how to find q given a p... 1705198;1504032546;BingoBoingo;lol 1705199;1504032562;asciilifeform;hey, recall, g_l's 'fuck off with your old stolid newton, i will make UNIFIED THEORY!' 1705200;1504032563;mircea_popescu;a speaking of which asciilifeform i was meaning to ask, seeing how they keep popping in pairs : how many times as a % of cases is that when we pop a modulus we pop it for BOTH p and q ? 1705201;1504032600;mircea_popescu;and further, how many are the same factors ? because it's starting to occur to me we might be able to find an openssh bug through birthdaying the factors it keeps popping up. 1705202;1504032610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mechanism is, if isprime(N / q), then p = N/q , announce(p). 1705203;1504032622;mircea_popescu;and often it announces a p and a p'! 1705204;1504032647;asciilifeform;that's when isprime(N/q) 1705205;1504032653;mircea_popescu;if it's the case that "here's this list of 200 primes which popped 2000 moduli", then we should make a histogram of moduli per prime. 1705206;1504032660;asciilifeform;this case is known as 'properly phucked' 1705207;1504032666;mircea_popescu;yes, and how common is it ? 1705208;1504032677;asciilifeform;about 98% 1705209;1504032680;mircea_popescu;dude.\ 1705210;1504032690;mircea_popescu;print teh lists. 1705211;1504032701;mircea_popescu;clearly openssh is broken in primegeneration. 1705212;1504032710;asciilifeform;i've been saving it for end of Framedragger parcel of '16 1705213;1504032725;asciilifeform;but will publish table, along with what else is known re each ( e.g. is debian prime ? etc ) 1705214;1504032729;mircea_popescu;ah not yet done. aite, up to you. 1705215;1504032743;asciilifeform;personally i'm interested in the nondebian ones 1705216;1504032752;asciilifeform;( the debian primes are well-known ) 1705217;1504032758;asciilifeform;or rather, how they cameabout 1705218;1504032766;mircea_popescu;anyway, surgeon general's warning : openssh is at this point known by the republic to be cryptographically weak. 1705219;1504032791;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1705220;1504032799;mircea_popescu;hey. gotta say. 1705221;1504032810;asciilifeform;plenty of green field left also. e.g. the freebsd-had-no-rng-for-two-years thing 1705222;1504032846;mircea_popescu;myeah. good thing people are busy "thinking" about things they don't understand instead. 1705223;1504032905;asciilifeform;i can grasp the psychology ( psychiatry..? ) of the california folx. yes, imaginary star drive or immortality nanobot pill is 'moar exciting' than real-life little board with fpga... 1705224;1504032918;asciilifeform;to the fella for whom even his plasma tv is magical artifact 1705225;1504032968;asciilifeform;so he answers 'show me FUN!! things, your work is a snore, nobody's flying to alpha centauri on it' 1705226;1504032982;mircea_popescu;i can't. it's as incomprehensible to me as the girls. a boy that dun wanna fight, really ? exactly like a girl that dun wanna fuck, i look at these like a dog looks at a painted bone. "nice work i guess lol. but..." 1705227;1504032985;asciilifeform;because in his mind he flies to alpha centauri 'just next month' 1705228;1504033017;mircea_popescu;"who squeezed all the life outta ya anyways" 1705229;1504033056;asciilifeform;witness the response, also typical, 'oh hey , you don't fellate lincoln? you must LUVV AYNRAND then' 1705230;1504033074;asciilifeform;the not-left-AND-not-right-can-of-pepsi is not conceptualizable, apparently 1705231;1504033079;mircea_popescu;apparently. 1705232;1504033131;asciilifeform;and the inevitably comorbid 'i know enlish, i Can And Have Read Everything There Was Worth The Reading' 1705233;1504033138;asciilifeform;*engl 1705234;1504033147;mircea_popescu;but in any case, ANOTHER aspect of discipline reveals itself. "work on what mp tells you to work on, not on what you think is fun to work on". 1705235;1504033177;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even false, i dunno there's much worth reading in english. i mean one can be done with twain and shakespeare in a summer. 1705236;1504033212;asciilifeform;but find a californirast who does not believe himself master of all culture 1705237;1504033225;mircea_popescu;discoursively or subjectively you mean ? 1705238;1504033230;asciilifeform;either 1705239;1504033298;mircea_popescu;from experience they subjectively think they're "doing pretty good" ; in any case "better than those other deplorables". whereas discoursively he could in principle say anything, chiefly because is not convinced words carry any meaning. as long as he's not saying something verboten like "africans have no culture", it's all up for grabs. "for controversy" which is somehow related to "funding". 1705240;1504033403;asciilifeform;i'm beginning to wrap head around http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699945 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699946 1705241;1504033403;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 03:59 mircea_popescu: pro tip : nobody has any incentive to help fucktarded nobody on a stick keep his unearned and unwarranted claim to importance. 1705242;1504033403;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 03:59 mircea_popescu: so he bought btc in 2014. his job is to lose it to his betters, nothing else. 1705243;1504033424;asciilifeform;that these people are sitting on coin, is an atrocity, and the sooner corrected -- the better 1705244;1504033451;mircea_popescu;back in 2014 the idea was that they are (and in fact they were, mostly by accident). it's been generally washed out of them by now. 1705245;1504033466;asciilifeform;i can't comment, having not even a faint clue 1705246;1504033488;mircea_popescu;anyway. it is a plain example of "bitcoin corrupts" at work. 1705247;1504033518;mircea_popescu;very much a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687603 1705248;1504033518;a111;Logged on 2017-07-20 19:44 mircea_popescu: windows will either compete with tmsr or go away. if it competes -- it becomes. if it goes away -- it becomes. there is no choice and there is no will. 1705249;1504033537;mircea_popescu;"but mp, i'm against violence" "you'll get discounted out of existence in the marketplace" "uhhhh!" 1705250;1504033565;asciilifeform;witness these poor heathens' view of patents, tho 1705251;1504033570;mircea_popescu;which ? 1705252;1504033592;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704901 and elsewhere 1705253;1504033592;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 14:26 asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids 1705254;1504033604;mircea_popescu;i expect this is factual. 1705255;1504033612;asciilifeform;they see usg as part of fabric of the universe 1705256;1504033623;asciilifeform;and its removal , no more conceivable than removal of newton's 3rd law 1705257;1504033658;mircea_popescu;consider http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-take-control-of-your-provider-a-guide-for-whores/#selection-181.0-185.907 1705258;1504033663;mircea_popescu;actually, let's put this in the log. 1705259;1504033672;asciilifeform;somehow can sit and smoke pot, which is punishable by 20 to life in all 50 states ( per usg paper, at least ) but not break patent, oh never!11 1705260;1504033688;mircea_popescu;"Every male you ever run into will be looking for an excuse, to explain to himself, and to "everyone else" as he represents that in his head, why he isn't doing, more, better, etcetera. You happen to have an exceptional answer, and one that he is extremely eager to receive from you. For this reason you are to expect no fundamental problems, it's not like you might run into a male that doesn't want to find himself in the safe, 1705261;1504033688;mircea_popescu; protective confines of your steel gift. They do want to, all of them do. Impediments, such as exist, all come from circumstantial happenstance, you have to be careful not to pinch their delicate skins putting it on -- and mind that for every inch of physical skin males have miles upon miles of mind-skins enveloping them like a far-reaching cocoon. Once on, you'll have to make sure it doesn't rub wrongly, and especially teach 1705262;1504033688;mircea_popescu; the captured male how to behave so it doesn't rub wrongly. Example suffices, he will perhaps protest but certainly learn and definitely change to fit the limit on his penis. It's not like he's not very eager to alter his behaviour so he can maintain that sweet, sweet delicious cage for longer, for as long as possible, forever. Whatever he may say, it's all window-dressing for that simple, fundamental fact -- he's happier neu 1705263;1504033693;mircea_popescu;tered than on his own." 1705264;1504033763;asciilifeform;i suspect that most of the 'golden cage' behaviour is unexamined 1705265;1504033766;asciilifeform;and unconscious 1705266;1504033776;mircea_popescu;by the oject ? but ofcouars. 1705267;1504033779;mircea_popescu;object* 1705268;1504033789;asciilifeform;which is why you end up observing what the 'pill' folx called 'hamstering', when confronting them , rubbing nose in it 1705269;1504033801;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1705270;1504033814;asciilifeform;!#s rationalization hamster 1705271;1504033815;a111;2 results for "rationalization hamster", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rationalization%20hamster 1705272;1504033833;mircea_popescu;oh oh. 1705273;1504033836;asciilifeform;or what was it called 1705274;1504033839;asciilifeform;term from heathen world 1705275;1504033850;mircea_popescu;well yes, what's one to do.\ 1705276;1504033858;asciilifeform;for psychopathological 'immune reaction' to dissonance 1705277;1504033880;asciilifeform;e.g. 'mp is powerless, SEC left him alone for its own reasons' etc 1705278;1504033896;mircea_popescu;i don't think that really even happened. i mean... WHAT PROOF DO WE HAVE 1705279;1504033899;asciilifeform;or kako's 'shitcoin forks went away on their own, they just didn't feel like winning' 1705280;1504033913;mircea_popescu;lol right. 1705281;1504033918;asciilifeform;'ethertardium dao evaporated on its own' 1705282;1504033932;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704893 << what'd be the alternative to the rationalist without quotes here ? like an existentialist say ? or perhaps an "artist" ? 1705283;1504033932;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 14:00 phf: but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist". 1705284;1504033957;asciilifeform;is a man whose sphincter still works, and who does not shit in pants, a 'sphincterist' ? 1705285;1504033962;asciilifeform;does it make sense to proclaim it a 'way of life' ? 1705286;1504033975;asciilifeform;can haz sphincterist komyoonity? 1705287;1504033978;asciilifeform;meetups? 1705288;1504033980;mircea_popescu;("artist" = choiceless art producer, say like durer. or i suppose originally, zeus, "gotta get this bitch out of my fucking skull") 1705289;1504033991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no idea, examining his. 1705290;1504033996;asciilifeform;aite 1705291;1504034025;mircea_popescu;i take it we're all aware how athens (ie, wisdom) was born according to the greeks, yes ? 1705292;1504034155;mircea_popescu;in particular phf what'd be the name for "opinions and actions based on "i don't see anything wroing with it"" ? still rationalist ? 1705293;1504034253;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704897 << see, the problem is not THAT it's ponyfic ; but that it's bad. there's plenty of demand for good fearmongering (don't stick your tongue in wall socket, son!), the problem is there's no demand for bad fearmongering. it's the quality, not the kind of item, that's the problem. 1705294;1504034253;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 14:10 kanzure: phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering. 1705295;1504034300;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704898 << well i was going to read that after the log, but since you put spoilers in there ima go read it first and continue later. 1705296;1504034300;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 14:25 asciilifeform just made it through entomological swarmpile http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 -- was really sumthing 1705297;1504034549;mircea_popescu;wait, someone bought micrometer wavelength light made ? 1705298;1504034784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 12:22 <@fenn> how many lines of code is OCC? <<< see, he is asking the right question. i knew my patience will be dug back out from the hole by the unfolding of events! 1705299;1504034900;mircea_popescu;12:23 < kanzure> there is a certain argument about not always throwing away legacy code, but i currently forget the exact argument << it was joel writing up netscape implosion. 1705300;1504034907;mircea_popescu;https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/ 1705301;1504035226;mircea_popescu;ahahaha Leibniz patents o lordy. 1705302;1504035320;mircea_popescu;kanzure you are experiencing the following problem : you do ocr on old text, which produces ambiguities that bite you in the ass. yes the string "patent" can be found in medieval and early modern period documents. the item thereby denoted however is not a patent. 1705303;1504035326;kanzure;opencascade notes http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cad/opencascade/ 1705304;1504035347;kanzure;ETF progress https://www.bna.com/sec-waits-sidelines-n73014463791/ 1705305;1504035361;mircea_popescu;this is one of the main ways in which wiki "education" fails. to understand things you must follow their pedigree not merely attempt to recognize instantaneous shape. 1705306;1504035423;mircea_popescu;the original privateers were created through letters patent ; the meaning of the word there is very much in the vein of monarchical absolutism. it was later co-opted when industrial revolution folk wanted a way to claim transcendence for acts of commerce. 1705307;1504035565;mircea_popescu;kanzure> i wonder if people just signed their work with leibniz's name as a way to get it preserved << your reference points are pythagoras and perhaps 1705308;1504035567;mircea_popescu;!#s bourbaki 1705309;1504035568;a111;19 results for "bourbaki", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bourbaki 1705310;1504035809;mircea_popescu;14:43 < kanzure> i was just going through "the list" in my head (i don't really have a list, i'm just making things up that sound important) << ehehehe. this is becoming very alike that seinfeld episode where they had an opposite world and there was an opposte alf named fenn and so on. THE RSMT!!! 1705311;1504035832;asciilifeform;i thought that was catv 1705312;1504035852;phf;nah, catv was dead. this thing is alive 1705313;1504035907;mircea_popescu;well, maybe it should be worrisome the best times were in 2014, but yes, seems alive enough. 1705314;1504035914;mircea_popescu;phf so who is fenn fellow anyway ? 1705315;1504035924;kanzure;http://fennetic.net/ 1705316;1504035975;mircea_popescu;kanzure a ty. the reason i ask him is that i know him, you see. like in http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ 1705317;1504035991;mircea_popescu;on the basis of his authority (as i understand it) i can decode meaning out of words. 1705318;1504036058;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/ << Daniel P. Barron - Shitgnomes 1705319;1504036059;asciilifeform;http://fennetic.net/bfi/bfi-draft.txt << oh hah, hexapodist. 1705320;1504036063;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705282 << i think empiricist, but also perhaps a mystic would be another alternative, i.e. knowledge through divine revelation. i think perhaps also traditionalist, i.e. inherent knowledge 1705321;1504036063;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 19:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704893 << what'd be the alternative to the rationalist without quotes here ? like an existentialist say ? or perhaps an "artist" ? 1705322;1504036067;*;asciilifeform once enthusiast, long ago 1705323;1504036068;mircea_popescu;ehehehe! " how to make an inexpensive portable CNC milling machine - my Buckminster Fuller Institute contest "hexapod" entry" 1705324;1504036071;mircea_popescu;what nao alfie! 1705325;1504036131;danielpbarron;!!deed http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/4.1.35.asc 1705326;1504036149;asciilifeform;hey, i was cured. ( 'inexpensive' and 'portable' does not go with the mass you need for useful accuracy cutting even aluminum ) 1705327;1504036152;shinohai;danielpbarron: it appears this cuntoo mirroe that mod6 spoke of is becoming more and more important. 1705328;1504036158;shinohai;*mirror 1705329;1504036175;mircea_popescu;so basically, either a slut (cock comes through the glory hole, i suck it, what do you want from me) or else a fanatic (allah told me!). otherwise, thinking man has no alternative but to be rationalist ? 1705330;1504036200;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you were cured. but he's, again, asking the right question. 1705331;1504036209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have 0 monopoly on asking questions. 1705332;1504036216;asciilifeform;incl. right-questions. 1705333;1504036218;mircea_popescu;the ~right~ quesrtions. 1705334;1504036232;*;mircea_popescu knows of no other qualification for the unknown besides asking the right questions. 1705335;1504036237;kanzure;asciilifeform: you don't need mass 1705336;1504036244;kanzure;asciilifeform: ask fenn 1705337;1504036257;danielpbarron;shinohai, thanks to this latest annoyance i'm a little closer to understanding how such a mirror might work 1705338;1504036261;mircea_popescu;kanzure mind asking him to come over ? i'll rate him anyway on teh basis of what i've seen 1705339;1504036276;asciilifeform;kanzure: nobody cancelled newton's 3rd 1705340;1504036289;asciilifeform;you need mass. 1705341;1504036295;kanzure;he has been summoned 1705342;1504036301;*;mircea_popescu would like to hear what the man says. 1705343;1504036312;kanzure;tension yadda yadda 1705344;1504036325;kanzure;stewart platforms hexpods etc 1705345;1504036330;kanzure;hexapods, rather. 1705346;1504036334;mircea_popescu;eh, dun ruin his thunder. 1705347;1504036347;kanzure;so touchy in here 1705348;1504036351;asciilifeform;!#s hexapod 1705349;1504036351;a111;3 results for "hexapod", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hexapod 1705350;1504036401;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mommentum-inertial could work as substitute for mass-inertial as a ready notion. who knows what other cleverness lies silent. 1705351;1504036411;asciilifeform;kanzure: now, here's 1 cnc tool for which you ~don't~ need rigidity -- electrolytic cutting head. was tried in su, and still (!) in production today, but 'industrial' scale. would be interesting to see compact version thereof. ( see old log ) 1705352;1504036430;mircea_popescu;he got an electroporing thing, in this vein. 1705353;1504036441;mircea_popescu;acvtual published schematics and errythang. 1705354;1504036452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'electroporation' is unrelated item -- weaken cell membranes with discharge, for plasmid etc work 1705355;1504036471;mircea_popescu;give it more power, it'll cut through other things! :D 1705356;1504036474;asciilifeform;item with (small) cap, controlled 'total coloumb' etc 1705357;1504036491;asciilifeform;standard bio instrument, since 1940s. 1705358;1504036496;mircea_popescu;aha. 1705359;1504036520;asciilifeform;the 2 are as related as cock is to pencil. 1705360;1504036531;mircea_popescu;these are related. 1705361;1504036538;mircea_popescu;!~google pencil dick 1705362;1504036539;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Urban Dictionary: pencil dick: ; What do people consider to be a pencil dick ? : bigdickproblems: ; pencil dick - Wiktionary: 1705363;1504036546;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't think a thinking man is any kind of ist. i think it's an affect, one could be a rationalist and then he's going to talk about occam and denounce causes, or one can be some kind of mystic, and then he's going to have a particular stance also. i don't think any of this has to do with with any sort of understanding. 1705364;1504036563;mircea_popescu;hm. 1705365;1504036600;mircea_popescu;so the -ists as basically, the filename, whereas the file contents is a pile of heuristics/hacks, work as well as you might expect ? 1705366;1504036607;mircea_popescu;rational.ist ; empir.ist and so on 1705367;1504036628;mircea_popescu;"can't emerge world" "tried ./rational.ist on it ?" 1705368;1504036646;kanzure;lice.btc.calendar.opentimestamps.org 1705369;1504036650;kanzure;ah hell 1705370;1504036654;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/ 1705371;1504036672;mircea_popescu;kanzure do you actually have any bitcoin ? 1705372;1504036677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like i've read the d00d before, long ago. but can't remember when, and where.. 1705373;1504036677;asciilifeform;( fennetic ) 1705374;1504036677;kanzure;bitwhat? 1705375;1504036685;mircea_popescu;bitcoin. 1705376;1504036686;asciilifeform;lol 1705377;1504036705;kanzure;never heard of it http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-01-10.log 1705378;1504036718;mircea_popescu;wouldja mind answering candidly! 1705379;1504036734;kanzure;yes 1705380;1504036754;mircea_popescu;yes but, more than one or 0.dust ? 1705381;1504036760;kanzure;not dust 1705382;1504036765;mircea_popescu;a good for you! 1705383;1504036777;kanzure;january 2009 not early enough for you huh? 1705384;1504036799;mircea_popescu;plenty early. no, my expectations was you're stuck with dust, and i was going to offer you one so you have one. 1705385;1504036800;mircea_popescu;want it anyway ? 1705386;1504036900;kanzure;sure why not 1705387;1504036906;mircea_popescu;nice work danielpbarron ; shows the value of keeping proper tapes huh. 1705388;1504036910;mircea_popescu;kanzure post an addy. 1705389;1504036933;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: they'll keep breaking it for so long as physically possible. 1705390;1504036945;mircea_popescu;well, he made it less possible. 1705391;1504036948;asciilifeform;aha 1705392;1504036967;shinohai;!~later tell mats http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zZ9Ny/?raw=true 1705393;1504036967;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1705394;1504036971;danielpbarron;yeah if they break something else i'll just dig it out of one of my working machines and apply the same treatment 1705395;1504036979;kanzure;pm'd an address 1705396;1504036992;mircea_popescu;uh i dun get pms. post it, what, it's secret ? 1705397;1504037019;shinohai;Maybe he is trying to avoid Barry Shillbert's secret Bitcoin police 1705398;1504037034;kanzure;you don't get pm's? 1705399;1504037036;mircea_popescu;so use a shillbert webwallet as a proxy 1705400;1504037039;mircea_popescu;kanzure nope. 1705401;1504037040;kanzure;1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1705402;1504037054;mircea_popescu;i just get a "x might want to be upped" notification, that's it. 1705403;1504037070;mircea_popescu;!!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1 1705404;1504037081;mircea_popescu;O WAIT! THAT"S NOT IMPLEMENTED YET! 1705405;1504037086;mircea_popescu;kanzure you'll have it in a few hours. 1705406;1504037109;kanzure;sure is a strange way to do coinjoin 1705407;1504037118;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1705408;1504037140;kanzure;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321228.0 1705409;1504037147;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-confidential-transactions/ 1705410;1504037151;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2016-11-21-mimblewimble/ 1705411;1504037163;kanzure;https://github.com/chris-belcher/joinmarket 1705412;1504037177;kanzure;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/state_of_coinjoin 1705413;1504037186;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Join%20me%20on%20a%20market%20for%20anonymity%20-%20joinmarket%20-%202016.pdf 1705414;1504037190;mircea_popescu;um. i feel liek teh bourgeois gentleman over here. 1705415;1504037195;mircea_popescu;had no idea i was doing any of that. 1705416;1504037196;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/joinmarket/ 1705417;1504037202;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/tumblebit/ 1705418;1504037209;kanzure;https://medium.com/@nopara73/tumblebit-vs-coinjoin-15e5a7d58e3 1705419;1504037211;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha 1705420;1504037214;kanzure;i am bookmarks and so can you 1705421;1504037221;mircea_popescu;lol. one should really be enough. 1705422;1504037233;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust gmaxwell 1705423;1504037233;deedbot;L1: -10, L2: 8 by 16 connections. 1705424;1504037239;shinohai;kek 1705425;1504037240;kanzure;how then would i maintain my reputation of overkill otherwise? 1705426;1504037249;mircea_popescu;i wasn't aware you had a such. 1705427;1504037262;kanzure;"let's read all of wikipedia" 1705428;1504037272;mircea_popescu;wikipedia is for tards. you know this do you ? 1705429;1504037286;kanzure;ohh now you tell me 1705430;1504037291;asciilifeform;as is 'tumblers', mimble-anythings, etc 1705431;1504037299;kanzure;mumble whats? 1705432;1504037303;mircea_popescu;as i told the girl saturday, "i'll tell you when you ask!" 1705433;1504037337;asciilifeform;kanzure: i read the 'wizards' heathen logz, every few month, and know what it is that seems to occupy you lot 1705434;1504037347;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, is thwe current trilema header my dorkiest pic ever or what. 1705435;1504037394;shinohai;mircea_popescu looks like he would operate BTC speakeasy in that pic 1705436;1504037410;mircea_popescu;it's actually my old place in costa rica, 15 years ago or so. 1705437;1504037414;mircea_popescu;looked better inside. 1705438;1504037458;mircea_popescu;(apartments, one above, one below. the one below had an electrically leaky stove, so i bought metalware and punished girlies had to make coffee on it. ZAP ZAP ZAP.) 1705439;1504037475;shinohai;lolz 1705440;1504037500;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705403 << I didn't expect it to be used direct to address anyway, but rather to just change hands, then the other guy has to ask for a withdrawal 1705441;1504037500;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 20:04 mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1 1705442;1504037503;mircea_popescu;"please, may i wear high heels ???" 1705443;1504037530;mircea_popescu;trinque ah, good i said something then. any strong reason for this ? 1705444;1504037540;trinque;not automating transactions going out. 1705445;1504037547;mircea_popescu;dun has to be automated. 1705446;1504037557;mircea_popescu;(honestly i'd prefer it if it weren't) 1705447;1504037562;trinque;it 100% wont be. 1705448;1504037567;mircea_popescu;cool. 1705449;1504037589;mircea_popescu;but, whether it got put there by address owner or not, still same queue same process, so whatdiff does it make. 1705450;1504037613;trinque;nah, same page now. 1705451;1504037614;trinque;that works. 1705452;1504037618;mircea_popescu;cool. 1705453;1504037734;shinohai;!!rob 1`000 1705454;1504037739;shinohai;:D 1705455;1504037805;mircea_popescu;<@fenn> you could have a dialysis membrane in a microfluidic chip i guess << speaking of vaguely this : the great success of the new microflora research chips was so great it even made it to qntra! seems an eminently crowd-source-able item, in a useful way at that. 1705456;1504037817;mircea_popescu;wtf is your excuse not running around planting chips in your back yards to find the next teixobactin ? 1705457;1504037855;mircea_popescu;anyone with a diy interest in microbiology should be doing precisely that at least fucking once, these days. 1705458;1504037890;mircea_popescu;shinohai teh silbert police is on to you nao. 1705459;1504037920;shinohai;Rats 1705460;1504037959;shinohai;I hear they lock you in a room and force you to read coindesk articles all day. 1705461;1504037961;asciilifeform;teixobactin << lulzy episode : 100% taxpayer-funded, yet 100% patented and monopolized by $shitcorp 1705462;1504037971;asciilifeform;as is typical in usglandia 1705463;1504037984;mircea_popescu;yawell. usia. recall that article aboput how nobody can keep up with the printing to satisfy the wowow fantasy ? 1705464;1504038022;asciilifeform;patent WO2014089053 . 1705465;1504038048;mircea_popescu;im sure if you pin down anyone enough to ask it's you know "a protective patent" to "protect it" from "the bad guys" 1705466;1504038055;mircea_popescu;like bitcoin.com registration, if anyone recalls those lulz. 1705467;1504038077;mircea_popescu;"we'll... ahem... protect the item... from derp-ass spammers who might want to do... exactly what roger ver is actually doing... in a few years ie today" 1705468;1504038079;asciilifeform;gotta love these folx, 'patent' on item that lived in soil for $fuckknows million year 1705469;1504038091;*;phf is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log.. 1705470;1504038145;mircea_popescu;phf 1mn lines. i am currently trying to discern if i will. i have tools to help me in any case, some of which wetware ( eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 ) some of which not. 1705471;1504038145;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 10:54 kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log 1705472;1504038165;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705467 << recall the 'linux foundation' ? 1705473;1504038165;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 20:21 mircea_popescu: "we'll... ahem... protect the item... from derp-ass spammers who might want to do... exactly what roger ver is actually doing... in a few years ie today" 1705474;1504038166;asciilifeform;same thing 1705475;1504038169;mircea_popescu;aha. 1705476;1504038175;asciilifeform;'we have to destroy the village, in order to save it' 1705477;1504038194;mircea_popescu;phf but in any case, i ~can~ read a million lines. take me a season, but then again what are seasons for,. 1705478;1504038222;mircea_popescu;past season, i also read a million lines. the machine is going, what you feed it is its problem, but it will be going nevertheless. 1705479;1504038247;kanzure;i was going to pay someone to read logs and write summaries but they chickened out 1705480;1504038259;kanzure;(why is everyone so lazy) 1705481;1504038392;mircea_popescu;same thing here. 1705482;1504038423;mircea_popescu;1704882 << line count, conveniently provided by phf. closing in on 2 mn. 1705483;1504038427;shinohai;I tried the whole "find x in teh logz" thing for someone once, though it was not a matter of being lazy, it was more of my time is worth more than pennies to do so. 1705484;1504038447;mircea_popescu;shinohai only way to run this is as a training exercise, really. 1705485;1504038473;mircea_popescu;shakespeare is similarily not paying the folk writing shakespeare write-ups. they do it to learn. 1705486;1504038488;kanzure;alright well why was someone paying you pennies? do you suck at negotiation or something? 1705487;1504038500;shinohai;Why, when 100 monkeys on typewriters can do same. 1705488;1504038532;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1704882 * 0.01 / 4379.74969838 1705489;1504038532;shinohai;Look out mp >>> https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/900459256784334851 1705490;1504038533;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1704882 * 0.01 / 4379.74969838 = 3.8926471086478043 1705491;1504038546;phf;since we added ancient logs into the negative numbers, the actual count is not represented by current max id 1705492;1504038548;mircea_popescu;ONE penny comes to almost 4btc over the logs. 1705493;1504038554;phf;ls 1705494;1504038556;mircea_popescu;phf what's max - ? 1705495;1504038558;phf;err 1705496;1504038578;shinohai;Your math is better lel 1705497;1504038598;phf;2031466 1705498;1504038606;mircea_popescu;wowza. 1705499;1504038618;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2031466 + 1704882 1705500;1504038619;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2031466 + 1704882 = 3736348 1705501;1504038632;mircea_popescu;holy shit, 0 ad is already midway into the past ? seems like only yesterday... 1705502;1504038635;phf;err, i misread, that was the total number 1705503;1504038645;mircea_popescu;ah ah ok, makes more sense. 1705504;1504038662;mircea_popescu;shinohai do they all wear that kinda suit ? could be worth a lotta lulz. 1705505;1504038707;shinohai;Must be the new generation of pantsuit! >.> 1705506;1504038729;mircea_popescu;why would an athlete try to wear skinny suits anyways. not for them. 1705507;1504038745;mircea_popescu;looks like the dressed cat in that tom and jerry cartoon. 1705508;1504038815;shinohai;I think the pattern looks like the chalk lines on the cloth when you go to get *fitted* for a suit 1705509;1504038823;mircea_popescu;14:55 < kanzure_> http://bitcoin.org/ yet another p2p currency piece of crap (jan 1 2009). 1705510;1504038929;kanzure;keep reading. same day i wrote my dad's eulogy. 1705511;1504038951;mircea_popescu;oh / 1705512;1504038975;kanzure;(jan 10 2009 btw) 1705513;1504039001;mircea_popescu;a right. 1705514;1504039307;mircea_popescu;kanzure this jan 2009 log is entertaining. i take it the ongoing decade has not resulted in any "some random company needs us to design them some manufacturing assembly equipment. We say we'll do it cheaper (or whatever), we license it all open source and so on, make our money from it, and apply it to what we need to get done in our tech-base of free stuff anyway." 1705515;1504039307;mircea_popescu;not that the stateemnt diverges from common wisdom at the time. 1705516;1504039333;kanzure;"common wisdom" 1705517;1504039340;mircea_popescu;right. 1705518;1504039482;BingoBoingo; shinohai do they all wear that kinda suit ? could be worth a lotta lulz. << It's a black thing 1705519;1504039493;mircea_popescu;i dunno, the irish guy looked just as ridoinculous. 1705520;1504039504;BingoBoingo;Well, the irish are blacker still 1705521;1504039514;mircea_popescu;this, shockingly, is actually a point. 1705522;1504039589;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Mayweather's communion with civilization proceeds exactly to the bounds of mastering his vocation and nearly half an inch further. 1705523;1504039602;mircea_popescu;seems respectable to me. 1705524;1504039614;BingoBoingo;Well, a half inch is an eternity 1705525;1504039632;*;asciilifeform tried to read link, returned with mental eggog 1705526;1504039646;mircea_popescu;which of the numerous links we've been blessed with was this ? 1705527;1504039652;asciilifeform;mayweather 1705528;1504039663;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works. 1705529;1504039672;asciilifeform;clearly 1705530;1504039703;mircea_popescu;but let me illustrate : have you noticed how when under space pressure and trying to introduce a tech item, whatever it may be, the ONE BIT that's ABSOLUTELY NEVER omitted is the name ? 1705531;1504039734;mircea_popescu;screenwriter for one of the hbo shows may have all of 11 syllables to explain whatever-it-is, and by god five or six will go to "REALITYWINNER" equivalent. 1705532;1504039745;mircea_popescu;living in "a brand-driven society" means something. this is what it means. 1705533;1504039758;asciilifeform;well yes, just like the hilt is never omitted on knife 1705534;1504039777;mircea_popescu;not so. just like "and she is pretty and smart" is never omitterd in mary-sue fiction. 1705535;1504039782;asciilifeform;how are the chumps to find your identical-to-1,001-other-turds, without remembering $magicword. 1705536;1504039790;mircea_popescu;a NAME is not required for reference. 1705537;1504039803;mircea_popescu;i can speak of Whatshername Horseface all the time. people know who i mean. 1705538;1504039807;mircea_popescu;well, my girls do, at any rate. 1705539;1504039811;asciilifeform;it is if that's all you got. 1705540;1504039816;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1705541;1504039851;mircea_popescu;so then : rufus cryptoweather or whatever his name was. 1705542;1504039863;mircea_popescu;any questions ? 1705543;1504039885;asciilifeform;nope 1705544;1504039899;mircea_popescu;my work here is done. back to otherlogs then! 1705545;1504040240;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1705546;1504040248;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4590.0, vol: 11922.02855846 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4597.0, vol: 32265.50350515 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4581.201, vol: 5312.13684147 | Volume-weighted last average: 4593.61855011 1705547;1504040255;BingoBoingo;OMG CRASHING!!! 1705548;1504040263;asciilifeform;do we have a shitcoin ticker yet ? 1705549;1504040281;trinque;bleh which one would it be, even? 1705550;1504040286;mircea_popescu;no and we don't want one. 1705551;1504040293;asciilifeform;!~forkolade 1705552;1504040293;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "forkolade" is not a valid command. 1705553;1504040313;asciilifeform;hey we have a usd ticker!111! 1705554;1504040339;mircea_popescu;temporarily. 1705555;1504040643;mircea_popescu;and speaking of < kanzure> there is a certain amount of equipment you need before you can do useful biology things << hey kanzure do you have children ? 1705556;1504040650;jhvh1;Current Roger Ver Coin price is: 17832540.74 1705557;1504040677;mircea_popescu;!!up gribble 1705558;1504040678;deedbot;gribble voiced for 30 minutes. 1705559;1504040678;shinohai;O.o 1705560;1504040682;mircea_popescu;;;shoot shinohai 1705561;1504040682;gribble;Error: "shoot" is not a valid command. 1705562;1504040694;shinohai;;;lasers 1705563;1504040695;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 1705564;1504040732;kanzure;mircea_popescu: child labor is only as good as the children 1705565;1504040741;mircea_popescu;yes, but do you have any ? 1705566;1504040749;kanzure;not to my knowledge 1705567;1504040779;mircea_popescu;because you don't want any or because there's a certain amount of equipment you need before you can have children ? 1705568;1504040797;kanzure;which goal is this again? 1705569;1504040805;kanzure;i'm confused because it sounds like a goal 1705570;1504040806;mircea_popescu;there's no goal. 1705571;1504040810;kanzure;oh if you say so 1705572;1504040821;mircea_popescu;i'm merely pointing out to you that no, you don't. 1705573;1504040837;jhvh1;GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL 1705574;1504040845;mircea_popescu;heck, i met this chick in cairo, she lived inside a perfectly empty hole in the ground most us solitary inmates wouldn't deem fit as a prison. she had six children. 1705575;1504040859;kanzure;so do lots of other people 1705576;1504040891;mircea_popescu;this notion that "if i pile up enough blue items to make a bower i'll thereby be a bower-biologist and science will frlow from me" is nonsense. 1705577;1504040957;mircea_popescu;kids do it all the time, "i have a professional tennis racquet, just like agassi". it's ok for a 15yo. 1705578;1504041016;*;asciilifeform reads the heathenl0gz, grunts with frustration that there is no ready place to... reply to anything 1705579;1504041035;kanzure;alf doesn't know about /join 1705580;1504041037;mircea_popescu;how not ? it's a thing, silly name but i spoke it yest. lessee 1705581;1504041049;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704664 1705582;1504041049;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 03:10 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, * Topic for ##hplusroadmap is: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times) 1705583;1504041070;mircea_popescu;kanzure a, whjat's that 5 times about ? 1705584;1504041088;kanzure;turns out the fda regulates a lot of things 1705585;1504041089;asciilifeform;kanzure: join doesn't put the people who were talking, magically back, and you folx don't appear to have a culture of linking to logz (or mechanism for handily pointing at individual lines) 1705586;1504041101;kanzure;wheelchairs, can't build a wheelchair according to 'em 1705587;1504041102;mircea_popescu;a there is that. 1705588;1504041107;kanzure;software too 1705589;1504041117;mircea_popescu;kanzure so it's just implicit ? why 5 rather than 48 ? 1705590;1504041122;kanzure;ultrasound imaging requires a prescription in the usistan (sorry i forget your pet name) 1705591;1504041131;kanzure;i think there was an actual counter at some point 1705592;1504041135;mircea_popescu;that works 1705593;1504041143;mircea_popescu;yes, but actual counter based on what. 1705594;1504041163;asciilifeform;hey, even hiv test is illegal in idjotland 'unless by licensed agent' 1705595;1504041176;mircea_popescu;actually, paternity testing is illegal in france, EVEN IF DONE IN SPAIN 1705596;1504041179;kanzure;ok i think you would be more interested in the time that the fbi weapons of mass destruction division assigned special agents to us 1705597;1504041180;asciilifeform;'oh noez, tester might decide to eat his pistol' 1705598;1504041182;mircea_popescu;one of the lulzier bits of french law. 1705599;1504041201;mircea_popescu;kanzure ok, tell me about that time. 1705600;1504041215;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/ 1705601;1504041237;mircea_popescu;o hey, at least its not a pdf. 1705602;1504041243;kanzure;ttp://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg 1705603;1504041247;kanzure;http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg 1705604;1504041265;kanzure;however, the agents did not show up like that, and they were very disappointing 1705605;1504041290;mircea_popescu;kanzure i can't discern much from this wall of links. can i have a three sentence summary ? 1705606;1504041300;kanzure;fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists 1705607;1504041323;kanzure;so for at least a ~year many of us had regular "coffee meetings" with local area special agent 1705608;1504041329;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1705609;1504041340;mircea_popescu;did they buy ? 1705610;1504041363;kanzure;eventually they realized we were harmless and only going to kill the nonbelievers 1705611;1504041385;mircea_popescu;"Weclome to the conference. I am the local WMD coordinator for the SF division. I've been working with the biocurious folks in SV. Welcome to SF, you guys have a great time, the weather is fantastic." in other lulz. 1705612;1504041390;mircea_popescu;WE WILL FLY DESK TO THE MOONS! 1705613;1504041487;asciilifeform;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/meg-flanagan-department-of-state/ << lol, complete with clitler ref 1705614;1504041501;asciilifeform;'We had Secretary Clinton appear, and she's an international celebrity. We were showing that this is important to the US. ' 1705615;1504041527;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why the pantsuit actually thouight clinton is a star or at least star material. 1705616;1504041546;mircea_popescu;but they did. one of our time's anthropo-mysteries. 1705617;1504041594;asciilifeform;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/intro/ >> 'We're not interested in silencing or stopping science. We're interested in stopping the trends on the negative side. We're here to support science. ' 1705618;1504041604;mircea_popescu;loller. 1705619;1504041605;asciilifeform;didjaknow! 1705620;1504041626;mircea_popescu;what was it, hate facts, negative science, and other things that ruined the clinton dream. 1705621;1504041633;asciilifeform;!#s fact toxic 1705622;1504041634;a111;2 results for "fact toxic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fact%20toxic 1705623;1504041634;gribble;Error: "#s" is not a valid command. 1705624;1504041641;mircea_popescu;!!down gribble 1705625;1504041693;deedbot;accepted: 1 1705626;1504041697;asciilifeform;'We recognize that there are people out there that want to cause harm to the US' interests.' << who could possibly?!111 1705627;1504041713;mircea_popescu;right. 1705628;1504041721;asciilifeform;'the goal of this gathering is to "foster the positive relationship among FBI, DIYbio, amateur biology, and local stakeholder communities to ensure safe conduct in science." ' 1705629;1504041726;asciilifeform;could go on, but why. 1705630;1504041738;mircea_popescu;hey, they gotta try. 1705631;1504041790;asciilifeform;'For example, National Institutes of Health database which has a great list of compounds and sequences that are suspect, it's wonderful to do searches against it. But you're not allowed to do them during the business day because it puts too much pressure on their servers, so you're supposed to do that after hours.' << ahahahahaha 1705632;1504041820;mircea_popescu;"If you are using city water, filter it. If you are using a closed circuit flow system, check the water and change it every six weeks or so, or drop a few drops of Algaecide in the recirculator. Better yet, use diluted Dow Frost. << howling shits, who uses anything but prop glycol for this ?! srsly, water ? you spring 20 bux for your car, but want the laser free ? 1705633;1504041831;asciilifeform;even better, 1705634;1504041838;asciilifeform;'I would consider it irresponsible to sell a potentially dangerous composition of matter to someone who you don't know or haven't met. It's just bad judgement. Most of the people on that list are either folks with a history of exclusion for various fraudalent activities, either domestically or internationally, or people who might potentially being terrorists kinda environment, or folks who have published in North Korea, or who have p 1705635;1504041838;asciilifeform;ublished work on bioterrorism stuff. Bonafide researchers in academic institutions are (aren't?) on the list. We've only had one circumstance where we had someone we chose not to sell to, and we referred to the FBI in 10 years of business. It's not a huge practical issue, but it doesn't take a lot of mistakes.' 1705636;1504041864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i use propylene glycol. 1705637;1504041874;asciilifeform;( about 6 litres, recirculating ) 1705638;1504041874;mircea_popescu;i don't know anyone who doesn't. 1705639;1504041901;mircea_popescu;it's just batshit insane, really, tap water ? 1705640;1504041929;asciilifeform;'The question was asked if you guys would sell.. if you guys ordered with a DIY scientist, not affiliated with an academic lab, someone said- not DNA2.0- or IDT.. yeah, maybe it was IDT. I'm not remembering that because, if you are a bonafide science doing bonafide work. What does that mean? It means you're not on the exclusion list, and it means you're not a bad actor....' 1705641;1504041942;asciilifeform;KYC!!!111 1705642;1504041947;mircea_popescu;obviously. 1705643;1504041954;mircea_popescu;"how to WoT without wotting!!!1" 1705644;1504041963;asciilifeform;inca-startopology-wotting. 1705645;1504041972;mircea_popescu;aha 1705646;1504042007;BingoBoingo; fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists << Eh, back in summer 2014-ish FBI and Department of Treasury knocked on my door. I did the sane thing and blogged it. 1705647;1504042071;BingoBoingo;!#s toxic fact 1705648;1504042072;a111;4 results for "toxic fact", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=toxic%20fact 1705649;1504042136;BingoBoingo;kanzure: See http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ 1705650;1504042319;mircea_popescu;<@fenn> just dumping this rare element overboard for no reason other than we don't feel like keeping it anymore << speaking of He, it's pretty much the only material in which usg has a monopoly. china and to some degree russia own the rare earths/heavy metals, but teh u7s got teh heliumz. 1705651;1504042363;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well for some defintions thereof. They seem rather insistent on selling it off. 1705652;1504042365;asciilifeform;aaaand they've blown it ~all on neutron detectors. 1705653;1504042373;mircea_popescu;yes well. 1705654;1504042385;asciilifeform;and most of that -- vented away. 1705655;1504042388;mircea_popescu;i said "Crack whore has a couch" not "crack whore will never light her couch on fire" 1705656;1504042412;asciilifeform;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/chris-anderson-syncberc/ >> possible winner: 1705657;1504042419;BingoBoingo;That fire already seems to have been lit 1705658;1504042423;asciilifeform;'But I am more concerned about drugs, like methamphetamine. I think meth might be easy to synthesize at biologically active quantities with existing technologies. Why is this a problem? I'm not into drugs myself, but there are dangers. They are probably going to do it with a $40 yogurt maker, you do the engineering in a yeast... then there's a problem. This is someone who .. thoroughly deskilled at this point. It takes no effort to m 1705659;1504042423;asciilifeform;ake this methcoli. Maybe she thinks it's about French culture, and then it grows in her intestines, and she gets either really high or really dead. This is a rusty nails situation. There is a risk that is not intuitively related to what you were doing. This is what scares me. Somehow you have to mitigate that risk. There's also the drug thing with geopolitical consequences of being able to make drugs easily. Right now, why do we have 1705660;1504042424;asciilifeform; all this international trade of drugs? You can't make any of the drugs we have right now in a clandestine way. You have to have giant tanks, or fields of poppeye. I have no idea what the effects of this are, but I think they are probably really big.' 1705661;1504042427;asciilifeform;^ 'professor' 1705662;1504042464;mircea_popescu;let's go back to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691201 lulz for a moment here. 1705663;1504042464;a111;Logged on 2017-07-31 18:04 mircea_popescu: aka errowind "noman TEK". 1705664;1504042489;BingoBoingo;lol, most US meth anymore seems to be made in used soda bottles 1705665;1504042509;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wouldja argue with a Berkeley Professor ?!111 1705666;1504042519;asciilifeform;annointed by Her Putrid Cuntiferous Majesty 1705667;1504042524;mircea_popescu;total clueless dork. 1705668;1504042527;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes! 1705669;1504042568;mircea_popescu;you know, it started with this 80s "judges are not to wear their capes in kid court lest the implicit, intended majesty of office scares children". then the "slightly aloof" but totalluy "genius" uni professor occured in the 90s. he spoke like a dork deliberately. 1705670;1504042569;BingoBoingo;How many admitted addicts does Berkeley professor know. 1705671;1504042576;mircea_popescu;it took hold, and now they are actually dorks. 1705672;1504042593;mircea_popescu;not a fucking clue, just bumbling idiots barely a shade above the herd they supposedly shepherd through "Science!!" 1705673;1504042622;asciilifeform;couplea shades ~below~. you couldn't stay in business as a vacuum repairman with this type of empty skullcase. 1705674;1504042637;mircea_popescu;all the better that nobody wants their vacuums repaired. 1705675;1504042647;*;asciilifeform repairs... 1705676;1504042664;mircea_popescu;this is the lulzy dark side of MAGA : supposed it worked, and suppose there were all these jobs... and supposed teh beoble applied, and they were turned down for sucking. 1705677;1504042665;mircea_popescu;WHAT NAO 1705678;1504042680;BingoBoingo;Biodiesel! 1705679;1504042691;asciilifeform;+soap 1705680;1504042696;mircea_popescu;"as it is now, you can't have any jobs because there aren't any. but if there were some, you still couldn't have any, this time for being the suck." 1705681;1504042714;mircea_popescu;"oh mp, this neatly explains how there came to be no jobs in the first place!" 1705682;1504042717;asciilifeform;if we can process million-year animal and vegetable matter, we can process ameritards. 1705683;1504042736;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's still oil in the soil nobod ycould be arsed to process. to this day! 1705684;1504042751;asciilifeform;which is why don't wait for'em to sink 1km down!1111 1705685;1504042765;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone can be arsed to process them. 1705686;1504042817;asciilifeform;not yet, at any rate. 1705687;1504042819;mircea_popescu;< kanzure> jrayhawk_: would you be willing to host a microscope? responsibilities would include keeping it plugged in and internet connected. also there would be an irc bot that controls where it looks. you'd also be pestered to load samples periodically. << did this 2014 idea ever get implemented ? 1705688;1504042835;kanzure;nmz787 took an electron microscope. the gigascope never materialized though. 1705689;1504042841;asciilifeform;'What about if we just block all possible ways to do this? We could block the production of any of these dangerous things? We could have someone decide. But it would also block legit things, and people will work around it. Another thing we could do- we plan to introduce blocks of some sort, but we don't have a plan for how those blocks will work. ' 1705690;1504042844;mircea_popescu;so where can i see today's slides ? 1705691;1504042857;kanzure;it's not implemented 1705692;1504042865;mircea_popescu;kay. 1705693;1504042866;kanzure;give me more minions 1705694;1504042880;mircea_popescu;you think that's how it works ?! 1705695;1504042886;kanzure;conjuring? yeah 1705696;1504042894;kanzure;sometimes brainwashing. but yes. 1705697;1504042908;mircea_popescu;i'd say that explains it then. 1705698;1504042912;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall that time when somebody wrote in and asked mircea_popescu to 'lend him a gurl' ? 1705699;1504042920;mircea_popescu;no ? 1705700;1504042921;asciilifeform;'one you aren't using' 1705701;1504042927;asciilifeform;it was in a trilema 1705702;1504042932;mircea_popescu;IT IS EVERY TIME 1705703;1504042949;mircea_popescu;the only time they don't dare is when the girl is right there and she's taller than them and as the song went, "modelul nou de fata s-ar putea sa-l bata" 1705704;1504042986;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, yes, daily. 1705705;1504042996;asciilifeform;'oh and can i borrow the deathray too!' 1705706;1504043008;mircea_popescu;and the eye glasses and you know. 1705707;1504043037;kanzure;death rays ain't what they used to be 1705708;1504043048;phf;if i only i had more men to continue doing nothing with me 1705709;1504043050;mircea_popescu;neither the future is what it used to be. 1705710;1504043066;asciilifeform;aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890. 1705711;1504043071;asciilifeform;!#s deathray plot 1705712;1504043072;a111;4 results for "deathray plot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deathray%20plot 1705713;1504043092;phf;why i'd be the next genghis khan in my mind by now 1705714;1504043100;asciilifeform;phf: can't permit a doingnothers-gap!11 1705715;1504043111;mircea_popescu;phf what'd you have him do ? 1705716;1504043125;BingoBoingo; aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890. << Nah, now they jacket the mass of lead atoms with a different metal 1705717;1504043153;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo bullet may have a waveform associated with it, but it's trivial! 1705718;1504043165;BingoBoingo;LOL 1705719;1504043176;mircea_popescu;so not a proper ray! 1705720;1504043232;asciilifeform;'GMO is not allowed unelss you have a certified lab. The chief of the fire department institute, it's called CDDBTK (what?), but we have a positive dialog about when to file they will give us permission apparently to do GMO work. ' 1705721;1504043234;mircea_popescu;< kanzure> also it's because i feel ashamed for not having thousands of hours of microscopy video already << i hope shame intensifies. but in any case : why the fuck wouldf you make it video. 1705722;1504043246;kanzure;you prefer individual jpegs? 1705723;1504043249;mircea_popescu;yes. 1705724;1504043253;kanzure;elaborate 1705725;1504043258;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course it's not a 'proper' ray! It's a DEATH ray! No reason to be polite 1705726;1504043261;asciilifeform;ic dies don't move. 1705727;1504043275;kanzure;but pokemon do 1705728;1504043294;kanzure;(context: https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal ) 1705729;1504043295;asciilifeform;devils move , at room temp, but that's why you crystallography'em 1705730;1504043303;mircea_popescu;kanzure the overhead of movement is 90% + of the cost you incur ; and 1% or less of the point of interest. microscopy is supposed to be gifs. and correctly colorized so as to allow me to get back the electron microscope original. 1705731;1504043326;mircea_popescu;(i don't mean animated gifs, i mean paletted.) 1705732;1504043332;kanzure;microscopy is supposed to be gifs? next you're going to tell me webm 1705733;1504043334;kanzure;oh. 1705734;1504043364;mircea_popescu;you don't want the "color levels" nonsense of bitmap/jpeg family. you want the gif palette, and a clearly explicit mapping to the electron microscope output. 1705735;1504043403;mircea_popescu;this way you actually have a de facto lossless, and rather useful, microscopy remote format. 1705736;1504043523;mircea_popescu;(likbez : the result of microscopy is a set, of levels, that are not numbers in the proper sense. consequently you wish to see a list of them, but can not do implicit color conversions such as blue+yellow = green, because color #45 the microscope saw has nothing to do with #65 or #72) 1705737;1504043553;asciilifeform;'FBI question, not biocurious... there's 30k or 40k people getting PhDs in biology, and 100s of people in amateur biology. Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences? Nathan: Well, we're not a one trick pony. We have a lot of assets dedicated to academic biosecurity outreach. We have established such a great relationship with DIYbio from 1705738;1504043553;asciilifeform;the beginning, we wish to continue the conversation and use this as an exchange of information, so I would say that amateur biology on the stage from the FBI's perspective should not be perceived as us taking the community seriously from a threat or security perspective, these are the whitehats in this room. It's our goal that we operate safely and securely to identify those blackhats if they are out there. .... we're from DNA 2.0. W 1705739;1504043554;asciilifeform;e're engaged with the FBI, proportionally as the FBI engages in the amateur community. ' 1705740;1504043569;asciilifeform;hey hey mircea_popescu , do you remember back when fbi/nsa 'engaged with' the 'cryptographer komyoonity' ? 1705741;1504043573;asciilifeform;and what the result was ? 1705742;1504043579;mircea_popescu;yes. and what a lulz that was. 1705743;1504043656;mircea_popescu;"Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences?" << because people coming from "traditional" are already neutered. 1705744;1504043666;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1705745;1504043672;mircea_popescu;you know they're not going to do anything worth the mention as part of the definition. 1705746;1504043780;asciilifeform;asciilifeform lives next to a large reservation for these creatures. lab that makes usg-approved, 'law-abiding' drones; ic fab which makes safely-useless rubbish; electron microscope where asciilifeform is not invited within cannon's breadth, even for money; etc 1705747;1504043800;asciilifeform;lately asciilifeform cannot even use the library catalogue. copyrights, you see. 'students only' 1705748;1504043807;mircea_popescu;heh 1705749;1504043810;mircea_popescu;so enroll, what. 1705750;1504043818;asciilifeform;i used to do just that 1705751;1504043823;asciilifeform;got tired of feeding the scambeast. 1705752;1504043836;mircea_popescu;ah. so then proper statement is, "alf has no use for them" 1705753;1504043845;asciilifeform;then bought scamola 'life membership' , which retro-revoked ~all useful features recently 1705754;1504043853;mircea_popescu;doh. 1705755;1504043863;mircea_popescu;sue them ? 1705756;1504043867;BingoBoingo;^ 1705757;1504043868;mircea_popescu;might be entertaining. 1705758;1504043885;asciilifeform;right after i sue microshit 1705759;1504043893;asciilifeform;and monsanto 1705760;1504043906;mircea_popescu;up to you. 1705761;1504043915;*;BingoBoingo got a speeding ticket earlier this month. In ~two weeks there is a hearing on motions and discovery 1705762;1504044004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: usgistic 'memberships' ( and this case was no exception ) routinely contain a 'we can do WHATEVER the fuck we feel like, incl. throw you out by the ears' clause. 1705763;1504044011;asciilifeform;and 'arbitration clause'. 1705764;1504044015;mircea_popescu;does yours ? 1705765;1504044017;asciilifeform;'dun like it -- dun use' 1705766;1504044019;asciilifeform;sure did. 1705767;1504044025;mircea_popescu;arbitration is not necessarily bad. 1705768;1504044045;mircea_popescu;anmyway, on the strength of what you presented you got a few k's worth of go away money there. 1705769;1504044051;mircea_popescu;perhaps not worth picking up, your call. 1705770;1504044207;BingoBoingo;Anyways arbitration process is rarely an automatic "fuck you", have to pursue it 1705771;1504044223;mircea_popescu;there's no automatic fuck yous. 1705772;1504044228;phf;mircea_popescu: i actually think we had a thread. activity is either happening, and thus further cultivated (i.e. doers encouraged, talkers are shed, whatever the method), or else there's nothing happening at all. in a sense that you can't draw your pistol faster than your draw speed, so there's nothing really to worry about. i ~suspect~ that there's just no effective culling happening 1705773;1504044255;BingoBoingo; there's no automatic fuck yous. << Penis in butt? 1705774;1504044269;BingoBoingo;Pantsuit party badge? 1705775;1504044270;mircea_popescu;gotta purse it! 1705776;1504044292;mircea_popescu;phf i perceive he's trying. doesn't know how is separate issue. 1705777;1504044418;asciilifeform;8-16 : 16:04 < kanzure> people are extremely bad at politics. it's off-topic. banhammerworthy. 1705778;1504044437;asciilifeform;16:04 < cluckj> technology is politics made concrete *flees* 1705779;1504044514;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i saw something similar re "philosophy". so let's ask again, you know, "Why is the FBI not focused on the soup" 1705780;1504044557;mircea_popescu;anyway. people are way the fuck worse at science than they are at politics ; and women ESPECIALLY so. but the general population sucking is not a reason to ignore the field. 1705781;1504044565;mircea_popescu;heck, people are terrifyingly bad at fucking, also. 1705782;1504044710;kanzure;it's reason to shut them up 1705783;1504044753;mircea_popescu;< kanzure> well who's at the top then << i am, aren't i. 1705784;1504044813;phf;asciilifeform: speaking of doing things with limited resources. fyi i'm in zeptobar slav land with an ivory chip. 1705785;1504044829;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1705786;1504044851;asciilifeform;phf: neato. fwiw my ivory-trading d00d seems to have cancelled 1705787;1504044854;asciilifeform;( might reappear ) 1705788;1504044859;shinohai;Actual item from newsfeed: "How a leader can move forward without consensus" 1705789;1504044875;mircea_popescu;"fuck you guyse, you're going home" ? 1705790;1504044894;shinohai;That would have been how *I* wrote it 1705791;1504044901;phf;asciilifeform: he fucked up his scheduling, but afaik he's still comming to dc in november. 1705792;1504044905;asciilifeform;he mentioned something about a funeral. ( in 2 month from now ! i've nfi ) 1705793;1504044924;asciilifeform;i'd still trade with him, moar ivories, merrier 1705794;1504044938;asciilifeform;( almost guarantee that i'll fry one when pinout finally materializes and it's time to plug'em in ) 1705795;1504045000;asciilifeform;8-15 : 19:47 < kanzure> well it's 12178.3 MHz so... https://blockstream.com/satellite/satellite/# 1705796;1504045002;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha 1705797;1504045032;asciilifeform;kanzure: wouldja like to defend this atrocity ? 1705798;1504045080;phf;my cousin asked me if i'm "into the whole bitcoin" thing, and mentioned that they now sell houses and stuff using btc. i said i heard about it.. 1705799;1504045168;asciilifeform;phf: 'Собрал царь зверей всех животных в лесу на поляне и говорит: - Cегодня мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот маленький. Правильно ежик? - Даааааа-Даааааа! - сказал ежик. - А завтра мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот большой. Правильно бегемот? - 1705800;1504045168;asciilifeform;Ню-ню, - сказал бегемот ' 1705801;1504045296;kanzure;why are you learning about that from me 1705802;1504045309;asciilifeform;kanzure: we had the thread here. 1705803;1504045334;asciilifeform;kanzure: but you did not condemn the idiocy, in linked text. so i gotta wonder. 1705804;1504045340;phf;the wisdom of this joke is lost on me. though past few days the joke that's on my mind the most is, the one about shtirlitz: borman i shtirlitz pyut vmeste. borman govorit, "shtirlitz, a ved vi yevrey!" "Net!" govorit shtirlitz "Ya russkii!!!" 1705805;1504045357;asciilifeform;phf: was in re 'have you any btc' 1705806;1504045363;*;mircea_popescu just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is. 1705807;1504045391;mircea_popescu;actually, why exclude. 1705808;1504045465;mircea_popescu;1`319`523 words in comments there. 1705809;1504045568;phf;(and in completely unrelated to anything lulz, i just discovered that the very first email in my email archive, june 2006 is an allegro lisp trial license) 1705810;1504045575;mircea_popescu;ha! 1705811;1504045595;*;asciilifeform has older ones but of 0 possible interest 1705812;1504045632;mircea_popescu;my oldest emails are from the 90s, and were left behind with the 386 pine-running system that housed them. probably of interest, but not really to me. 1705813;1504045758;asciilifeform;8-7 : 05:59 < fenn> i'm still unsure whether diybio is real 1705814;1504045759;asciilifeform;06:00 < fenn> it would be great if it were 1705815;1504045775;*;asciilifeform also thinks 'would be great if it were' 1705816;1504045866;mircea_popescu;hey, i'd be absolutely exstatic if the wetware computing progressed along while we're busy with the hardware ones. 1705817;1504045889;asciilifeform;!#s computers you can't program 1705818;1504045890;a111;8 results for "computers you can't program", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=computers%20you%20can%27t%20program 1705819;1504045890;mircea_popescu;so far the danger doesn't seem too great though. 1705820;1504045895;asciilifeform;^ oblig kreinin 1705821;1504045955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was speaking metaphorically! you know, whatever bio-stuff. 1705822;1504046017;asciilifeform;aite. ( there's a still-appreciable population of folx who actually go in for 'wet computer' nonsense. ) 1705823;1504046113;asciilifeform;in re 'amateur bio', in 1990s asciilifeform's brother worked with a d00d who spent his entire pay on surplus dna synths, various iron, liked to remark 'real programmers program lifeforms'. sum of this -- afaik -- was 0. 1705824;1504046126;mircea_popescu;certainly. but no, sometyhing, anything. "in the past nine years while the republic choked the remnants of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 we at the soviet biolabs have a) deployed ten thousand chips in the back yard resulting in three different bactins ; and have this microscope that spit out 10k gifs. 1705825;1504046126;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 10:05 mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.) 1705826;1504046134;mircea_popescu;something like that would already be great. 1705827;1504046163;asciilifeform;will remark, that microscopes ain't made of meat, either 1705828;1504046169;asciilifeform;and do not self-reproduce. 1705829;1504046189;asciilifeform;'junkyard wars' is a valid approach to technology in a decaying world, but has obvious limits. 1705830;1504046198;mircea_popescu;not a matter of reproduce. a matter of produce in the first place! 1705831;1504046217;asciilifeform;can 'produce' almost anything by... being at the right surplus auction. 1705832;1504046222;asciilifeform;the puzzler is how to produce it again. 1705833;1504046225;asciilifeform;( or repair. ) 1705834;1504046230;mircea_popescu;phuctor spits out a few broken keys each day. this accretes, because it's relatively cheaper to do it over time. good luck to anyone trying to replicate it TODAY. 1705835;1504046246;mircea_popescu;let them have a microscope that produces something each day. 1705836;1504046253;asciilifeform;whoever walked off with dulap-I can prolly replicate.. 1705837;1504046259;mircea_popescu;also over time. 1705838;1504046266;asciilifeform;tru 1705839;1504046292;mircea_popescu;this is the important point here, be a fucking capitalist already, let time work for you. drop this nonsensical "oh, we can waste resources, inflation wiull make up for it anyway" nonsense. 1705840;1504046303;mircea_popescu;it very well fucking won't. 1705841;1504046443;phf;when bioware i'm always reminded of 1010 and his earth computer http://www.1010.co.uk/org/sketches.html (and similar attempts elsewhere on his site) 1705842;1504046483;asciilifeform;phf: d00d was a mad-genius 1705843;1504046499;asciilifeform;whatever happened to him... 1705844;1504046569;mircea_popescu;and randomly : if you like to barbecue (good for you) do me a favour and buy yourself a bottle of 98% alcohol to use instead of whatever petrochem crap you use for a starter, either that horrid plastic brick thing or else cancerliquid. tyvm. 1705845;1504046573;phf;judging by his output of workshops and performances (as opposed to cool hacks and circuits) i'm pretty sure he's just sitting on nodick grants at this point. what happened to all his kind in merkle europe 1705846;1504046612;mircea_popescu;phf it's the bologna system that fucked it. angela tard about as relevant as the captain of the titanic. 1705847;1504046628;phf;( previous thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-17#1434999 ) 1705848;1504046628;a111;Logged on 2016-03-17 02:50 asciilifeform: phf: i am long-time fan of howse. 1705849;1504046654;shinohai;mircea_popescu: I use olive oil to lite briquettes ..... always seems to work 1000% better 1705850;1504046665;asciilifeform;i made use of his work re sensitive amps. however must note that his original objective was.... listening to earth-devils, or sumthinglikeit 1705851;1504046665;mircea_popescu;oil also works yes. 1705852;1504046795;mircea_popescu;!#s "siliconpr0n.org" 1705853;1504046795;a111;4 results for "\"siliconpr0n.org\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22siliconpr0n.org%22 1705854;1504046810;mircea_popescu;how about that. 1705855;1504046852;mircea_popescu;dood did an early bfl cutup too. kanzure do you know him ? 1705856;1504046944;phf;i was half expecting to find an ivory there ^ 1705857;1504046948;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1705858;1504046977;BingoBoingo; and randomly : if you like to barbecue (good for you) do me a favour and buy yourself a bottle of 98% alcohol to use instead of whatever petrochem crap you use for a starter, either that horrid plastic brick thing or else cancerliquid. tyvm. << Aluminum "chimney" and newspaper ftw 1705859;1504046988;mircea_popescu;newspaper bad, various chems. 1705860;1504046999;mircea_popescu;both in ink and paper. 1705861;1504047001;BingoBoingo;Vintage newspaper, who's buying the new ones 1705862;1504047004;mircea_popescu;lead. 1705863;1504047025;mircea_popescu;alcohol. pure, clean burn. do it. 1705864;1504047026;BingoBoingo;Ah fine, I'll start keeping the sawdust/bar oil slurry 1705865;1504047034;mircea_popescu;sawdust prolly has glue. 1705866;1504047042;BingoBoingo;Glue from where? 1705867;1504047050;mircea_popescu;from the "recycled wood" 1705868;1504047058;BingoBoingo;What tree dropping limbs around me has glue? 1705869;1504047068;mircea_popescu;if selfmade then yes 1705870;1504047111;BingoBoingo;Chainsaw makes coarse enough sawdust to not fear explosion at sane collected amounts 1705871;1504047129;*;mircea_popescu has never tried 1705872;1504047181;BingoBoingo;Eh, just assign it to a girl. "learn to chainsaw, report on the experience" 1705873;1504047192;mircea_popescu;nah. ends up with butch arms, who wants that. 1705874;1504047196;kanzure;mircea_popescu: siliconpr0n.org guy? met him in 2007. 1705875;1504047213;mircea_popescu;what's he doing these days ? wants to be part of macivory cutup efforts ? 1705876;1504047234;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, that's from using arm powered saw. Chainsaw implies 2-stroke powerplant 1705877;1504047247;mircea_popescu;ah i guess there's that. 1705878;1504047255;BingoBoingo;And for most of chainsaw cut workpiece bears weight of saw 1705879;1504047316;kanzure;satellites 1705880;1504047494;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705873 <<< It's an honest-to-God sub-genre: https://www.xvideos.com/tags/amputee 1705881;1504047494;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 22:53 mircea_popescu: nah. ends up with butch arms, who wants that. 1705882;1504047552;mircea_popescu;in other news, #homecmos still exists. 1705883;1504047623;mircea_popescu;logger died sometime in 2014, but anyways. 1705884;1504048037;BingoBoingo;Of possible interest to kanzure, diy bio in the wild https://archive.is/kvQm1 1705885;1504048271;kanzure;1c8d50a5c99d0c65428e2e1da77430477be436d671ce8203a75ff4ae600ba85e thanks 1705886;1504048279;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1705887;1504048294;kanzure;your transaction 1705888;1504048300;mircea_popescu;oh oh. sure. 1705889;1504048825;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-482547.txt 1705890;1504048918;mircea_popescu;< kanzure> what's the fastest microcritter and how fast would the travel have to be to keep up (including opencv delays)? << some spore shooting organisms do crazy shit like 20m/s speeds reached within a fraction of a second / the first milimeter of travel. 1705891;1504048980;mircea_popescu;!#s pilobolus 1705892;1504048981;a111;0 results for "pilobolus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pilobolus 1705893;1504048985;mircea_popescu;well now there is. 1705894;1504049024;kanzure;there was a recent paper on ballistic weapons in microbes 1705895;1504049043;mircea_popescu;these are mostly faeces dwellers, have to shoot spores out of the way so animals still eat them. 1705896;1504049090;mircea_popescu;in other words : there's no safe assumptions in biology provided by biology, but only by physics. because selection will actually cover anything. 1705897;1504049144;kanzure;ttps://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html 1705898;1504049158;kanzure;https://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html 1705899;1504049166;kanzure;why can't i type urls right anymore 1705900;1504049180;mircea_popescu;did you wire your broken k to the h ? 1705901;1504049249;kanzure;i used a paperclip 1705902;1504049267;mircea_popescu;windows people. 1705903;1504049277;kanzure;the keyboard sucks anyway, there's like >10 ms delay between keypress recognition 1705904;1504049299;mircea_popescu;get one of alf's. 1705905;1504049306;mircea_popescu;solid steel items 1705906;1504049350;BingoBoingo;carved by C02 lazer from obsidian or something like that 1705907;1504049366;mircea_popescu;<@fenn> why is there no "hardware liberation front" that hacks peoples computers for driver documentation? << 2014. 1705908;1504049610;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/diy-biology-latest-fad-sweeping-the-republic/ << Qntra - DIY Biology Latest Fad Sweeping The Republic 1705909;1504049623;mircea_popescu;lmao 1705910;1504049639;BingoBoingo;Remember, the problem of Niggeropolis is that those bringing stones to the soup could ever imagine they are a polis https://archive.is/UXsO6 1705911;1504049666;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, it's news for a change. And by crossing 24 hour mark DIY Bio is a thing nao. 1705912;1504049732;trinque;!!unrate kanzure guess I'll see where this goes 1705913;1504049773;BingoBoingo;trinque: How's the weather? I heard the Army Corps of engineers dumped reservoir water into your flood waters 1705914;1504049782;trinque;!!v 45568436D388EB26648C2B3E0F80C665C4B11D01D34A49DF27073CF23C73A359 1705915;1504049783;deedbot;trinque unrated kanzure. 1705916;1504049794;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeah, couple of levees were going to pop; couple did afaik 1705917;1504049815;trinque;I've got some decent pictures of the flooding 1705918;1504049820;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1705919;1504049824;BingoBoingo;Still king of your particular hill? 1705920;1504049831;trinque;picked a good hill, yep 1705921;1504049858;BingoBoingo;No reparations ops like New Orleans had in Katrina? 1705922;1504049877;mircea_popescu;in huston ?! 1705923;1504049962;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Even with Texas, Houston is urban. Has urban populations. 1705924;1504049971;mircea_popescu;yes, but of texans. 1705925;1504050017;kanzure;trinque: mighty big of you, thanks. 1705926;1504050056;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways Dallas area has a number of resettled Katrina refugees. 1705927;1504050086;mircea_popescu;this would be a good story you know, "the rain girl". take a super hot chick and cast her in a film about how wherever she goes it floods. badly. 1705928;1504050089;mircea_popescu;her bf dies... etc. 1705929;1504050093;*;BingoBoingo wondering if nostalgia looting drive would overcome, "WTF we in Texas" reality 1705930;1504050176;BingoBoingo;IRL the rain girl's name is monique. She don't really care about her BF and half her baby dadies are in Louisiana's Angola penitentiary. 1705931;1504050185;mircea_popescu;heh 1705932;1504050231;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705921 << most likely rockport will rebuild rockport, corpus, corpus 1705933;1504050231;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 23:37 BingoBoingo: No reparations ops like New Orleans had in Katrina? 1705934;1504050246;trinque;rednecks do that 1705935;1504050254;BingoBoingo;Trinque isn't washing away for the same reason I didn't wash away this spring or winter of 2015. White priviledge. 1705936;1504050270;trinque;houston meanwhile's fine; for all the "ohmygurd unprecedented" in the pantsuit media, the bayou system worked *flawlessly* 1705937;1504050278;mircea_popescu;aha. 1705938;1504050281;BingoBoingo;trinque: "Reparations Ops" are that thing the ubran folk do in Baltimore and the cops did 1705939;1504050329;BingoBoingo;trinque: What is this bayou system, explain in a Qntra submission on how fake the fake news coverage of this rain drop pidder padder is. 1705940;1504050349;trinque;lemme get together some food then sure will. 1705941;1504050423;trinque;brb 1705942;1504050436;BingoBoingo;k 1705943;1504050438;BingoBoingo;ty 1705944;1504050796;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1705945;1504050815;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4590.0, vol: 11832.82536188 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4598.9, vol: 32739.34915172 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4593.15, vol: 5536.9975914 | Volume-weighted last average: 4596.16297849 1705946;1504050935;kanzure;mircea_popescu: this may amuse you as well. i have been documenting every conversation i've ever had since 2009, sort of a personal CRM system. i used to do some basic graphing: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/2009-10-01_to_2010-03-01.png 1705947;1504050944;kanzure;each conversation is documented with lots of tags and other data 1705948;1504050993;mircea_popescu;cool. why'd you stop ? 1705949;1504051241;kanzure;i haven't. just the graphs (that was one-off). 1705950;1504051255;kanzure;more embarrassingly, the data used to be public 1705951;1504051286;mircea_popescu;ic 1705952;1504051497;mircea_popescu;anyway, a very large portion of why the forum has such large snr is the reference system. it is not only the first level advantage, of reference. it has massive second order effects, such as it gets people to organzie their thoughts for it. 1705953;1504051522;mircea_popescu;which ius why your logs are full of "one sentence in five lines, three words to the line" myspacetardations ; whereas not here. 1705954;1504051772;mircea_popescu;Downloaded: 24981 files, 7.9G in 23m 57s (5.61 MB/s) << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705469 1705955;1504051772;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 20:21 phf is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log.. 1705956;1504051918;mircea_popescu;!~calc 10987237 / 921344 1705957;1504051919;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 10987237 / 921344 = 11.92522771082245 1705958;1504051957;mircea_popescu;in fairness 12 is not terrible anyway. avg line < 6 words is a great heuristic for "collection of monkeys and idiots" 1705959;1504052565;kanzure;i had only 8 GB of junk? 1705960;1504052590;mircea_popescu;(for the actuarially inclined : #trilema Apr 25 11:09:37 2012 - Sep 10 11:09:37 2016 averages 12.80 wpl ; henceforth 16.40 wpl. 1705961;1504052597;mircea_popescu;kanzure in the log dir. 1705962;1504052609;kanzure;grab this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ 1705963;1504052621;mircea_popescu;what am i going to do with a bunch of pdfs. 1705964;1504052636;mircea_popescu;anyway, the bot auto archives all links put in channel. 1705965;1504052664;kanzure;but think about all the fun you're missing http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/ 1705966;1504052684;mircea_popescu;with any luck asciilifeform will print them out. he does that. 1705967;1504053231;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, <@fenn> nobody ever got rich by not asking for money << i don't recall my ever asking anyone. 1705968;1504053242;mircea_popescu;to quote that old guy in casino, "it goes against the whole principle of the whole thing". 1705969;1504053731;mircea_popescu;<@fenn> guh. so i've been thinking about building a boat so i can just put all my stuff in the boat and live in the boat and sail wherever i want to go << check that out asciilifeform ! he may wanna go halvsies on orlol's tub ? 1705970;1504053807;kanzure;he started building a submarine 1705971;1504053827;kanzure;(the recent peter madsen stuff has been weird) 1705972;1504053845;mircea_popescu;how big ? 1705973;1504053865;kanzure;small. he is into small dwellings i guess. who knows. 1705974;1504053866;mircea_popescu;kanzure i thought it was ben lipkowitz. what peter madsen ? 1705975;1504053892;kanzure;i was talking about fenn yes, until i started mentioning peter madsen 1705976;1504053909;mircea_popescu;ah 1705977;1504053934;kanzure;peter madsen originally started copenhagen suborbitals, an amateur rocketry group; he is notorious for building and operating a submarine in denmark, and within the past ~week for also murdering someone on his submarine (allegedly). 1705978;1504053941;mircea_popescu;anyway, small sub is problematic. there's this optimal size and domain limits for mechanical items. there's a smallest combustion engine, there's a smallest sub and so on. 1705979;1504053955;mircea_popescu;ah yeah saw that. 1705980;1504054533;mircea_popescu;aand there we go, ate a day of h++ logs. 1705981;1504056626;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704901 << no but... he has a point doesn't he. 1705982;1504056626;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 14:26 asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids 1705983;1504056939;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704921 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704721 1705984;1504056939;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 14:31 asciilifeform: i can't decide if this is more or less hilarious than gaseous food. 1705985;1504056939;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 03:28 mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields. 1705986;1504057289;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704926 << i was actually wondering about that. how exactly does it exist ? like, could i buy one ? is the bar of ontology here "i have a description of how it could be made" ? or "i have one in my kitchen and there's the lsit of how i made it" ? or "you can have one made for 20 bux, send here" ? or what ? 1705987;1504057289;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 15:27 kanzure: asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator? 1705988;1504057383;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704946 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628597 1705989;1504057383;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 15:51 kanzure: i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes 1705990;1504057383;a111;Logged on 2017-03-17 04:04 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, romania building world's largest laser, 10 PW 1705991;1504057508;kanzure;yes but he said something like <1000 or whatever 1705992;1504057532;kanzure;re: the electroporator, it's a purchasable kit somewhere 1705993;1504057551;mircea_popescu;what do you mean somewhere 1705994;1504057573;kanzure;i have someone else handling his online ordering system 1705995;1504057579;kanzure;https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/2LVPU_Dw5FE/Bby-M_ZYAwAJ 1705996;1504057595;mircea_popescu;well i dun google groups, but ... so i could order one ? 1705997;1504057660;kanzure;https://github.com/kanzure/culture_shock 1705998;1504057698;kanzure;hmm where did the link go 1705999;1504057718;mircea_popescu;so am i safe3 in assuming you never actually sold one ? 1706000;1504057748;kanzure;well last update i got is that we're still testing it, maybe he hasn't configured shopify what a shame 1706001;1504057756;mircea_popescu;how long ago was that ? 1706002;1504057774;kanzure;a few weeks i don't care 1706003;1504057781;mircea_popescu;you don't ? 1706004;1504057797;kanzure;are you one of those mouthbreathing micro managers 1706005;1504057833;mircea_popescu;no ; but so far the story here seems to be that the crowning achievement of a decade's effort is one item that happened a coupla weeks ago and you don't care about. 1706006;1504057837;mircea_popescu;this is a pretty weak story. 1706007;1504057854;kanzure;what gets to qualify as a corn achievement anyway? 1706008;1504057861;mircea_popescu;whatever you want. 1706009;1504057879;kanzure;hmm. 1706010;1504057897;mircea_popescu;this is how people evaluate you, neh ? "what did you do ?". how else ? 1706011;1504058128;kanzure;wpm? 1706012;1504058138;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry ? 1706013;1504058147;kanzure;words per minute. it's funny because i'm the fastest. 1706014;1504058162;kanzure;( http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/leaders.php ) 1706015;1504058222;mircea_popescu;i thought the alt-tmsr you're trying to build was being discussed rather than your typing speed. 1706016;1504058350;asciilifeform;what is the flex cable doing in the electroporator ?? 1706017;1504058392;kanzure;all questions to ##hplusroadmap thanks bye 1706018;1504058400;asciilifeform;and why is the design for item that simply charges a cap to known coloumb charge, and zaps a millilitre tube, moar voluminous than, e.g., that of FUCKGOATS.. 1706019;1504058432;asciilifeform;why is 'micropython' needed in the micro 1706020;1504058433;kanzure;eh it also has some reprogrammable features for different waveform zapmagic 1706021;1504058439;asciilifeform;and for that matter.. 1706022;1504058445;asciilifeform;why a micro at all 1706023;1504058456;asciilifeform;i had an analogue unit at nih, worked fine 1706024;1504058471;asciilifeform;why gild the lily? 1706025;1504058482;kanzure;gild the whatnow? 1706026;1504058522;asciilifeform;не культурный. 1706027;1504058607;mircea_popescu;!~tr ru to en не культурный 1706028;1504058607;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command. 1706029;1504058614;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en не культурный 1706030;1504058614;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Non-cultural 1706031;1504058644;mircea_popescu;kanzure "to gild the lilly", to attempt an expensive artisanal process to improve an item which is naturally unsurpassable. 1706032;1504058663;mircea_popescu;sort-of like designer babies, come to think of it. 1706033;1504058697;asciilifeform;from the groups link ( 2016!! ) : 'OK, so will you help me promote it with twitter, instagram, snap chat videos when the time comes?' 1706034;1504058721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: non cultured 1706035;1504058728;mircea_popescu;i've yet to meet a technical mind that understood promotion. (worship is not understanding) 1706036;1504058740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i know, i just thought it'll payoff in lulz. it did. 1706037;1504059276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform come to think about it, i'm not so sure it's a lilly. different zap properties may prove interesting. 1706038;1504059330;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704960 << this is true, and yes pretty shocking. 1706039;1504059330;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 15:54 asciilifeform: ~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still. 1706040;1504059339;mircea_popescu;but yes, the underwater cities not here yet either! 1706041;1504059548;kanzure;how did you get from submarine to city? 1706042;1504059612;mircea_popescu;no relation. 1706043;1504059682;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704965 << it's probable, though. 1706044;1504059682;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 15:56 kanzure: ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason. 1706045;1504059707;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704966 << fwif not my reading of the situation. 1706046;1504059707;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 15:57 asciilifeform: how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc 1706047;1504059742;mircea_popescu;dude trying to figure out ; being male the strategy doth involve a little twisting of items around. no big deal, the items can take it. 1706048;1504059751;kanzure;i must have missed that one from alf 1706049;1504059940;trinque;it's the sideways californian variant of the twisting that grates 1706050;1504059972;trinque;incidentally it occurred to me today that the accent in austin is shifting due to the years-long cali colonization 1706051;1504059979;mircea_popescu;i can see that. 1706052;1504060033;mircea_popescu;then again, the space of possibilities is vast. and we're pretty divergent. 1706053;1504060046;trinque;sure 1706054;1504060216;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704969 << this is actually an interesting q. why are you in there kanzure ? the unexamined impression that "talent" or somesuch ? 1706055;1504060216;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 15:58 asciilifeform: if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ? 1706056;1504060274;kanzure;uh holding on to some vague amount of optimism that you're just full of shit about goallessness 1706057;1504060299;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704978 << i suspect you misunderstood something. which line was this ? 1706058;1504060299;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 16:02 kanzure: it's literally the answer i was given 1706059;1504060337;kanzure;i thought i quoted it later. keep reading. 1706060;1504060342;mircea_popescu;aite 1706061;1504060449;mircea_popescu;why btw ?> what'd my being fulla shit re goallessness do ? 1706062;1504060556;kanzure;i don't know why you are surprised or confused about any of this. you don't do this kind of butt sniffing? it's what dogs do. 1706063;1504060565;mircea_popescu;um. 1706064;1504061012;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705010 << moebius. 1706065;1504061012;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 16:16 kanzure: infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip 1706066;1504061150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705038 <<< well obviously, that's the fucking point... i manage more of what people usualoly call results through NOT having goals than they ever do through having them. 1706067;1504061150;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 16:26 trinque: "goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes 1706068;1504061163;mircea_popescu;this is supposed to be noticed by the more mentally active amongst them. 1706069;1504061221;mircea_popescu;at least once the butthurt over having wasted a decade washes away. 1706070;1504061277;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705019 << this is just bad translation ; i can readily prove this by pointing out that if nato changed meaning so would your "goal". you're just pursuing some causes is all. 1706071;1504061277;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 16:23 asciilifeform: kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp. 1706072;1504061490;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705053 << btw, cheap and obvious error correction : do once then rotate 90 degrees do again. then reconcile. is this used irl ? 1706073;1504061490;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 16:32 asciilifeform: understand what even 0.00001% ocr error rate means in re ic layout ? 1706074;1504062150;BingoBoingo;Bio hacking horror story, with butch arms https://archive.is/2e3go 1706075;1504062229;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705091 << pretty much everyone here is fluent in multiple languages. and, just like not being monetarily poor, not being linguistically poor is an imperative for the civilised man. so no, it's not acceptable to not speak languages anymore than it's acceptable to eat frozen dinners. 1706076;1504062229;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 17:03 kanzure: illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here 1706077;1504062276;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705103 << that convo doesn't support your interpretation. 1706078;1504062276;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 18:12 kanzure: BingoBoingo: re: random, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704384 1706079;1504062291;kanzure;illiteracy was regarding my inability to read and write 1706080;1504062305;kanzure;typing quickly is comparatively a lesser concern 1706081;1504062323;mircea_popescu;right. 1706082;1504062335;mircea_popescu;why are you monolingual anyway 1706083;1504062358;*;mircea_popescu is hoping he's not about to hear "because nobody told me before it's unseemly" 1706084;1504062359;kanzure;i pretend to read many languages, does that count? 1706085;1504062366;mircea_popescu;no, pretense does not count. 1706086;1504062398;kanzure;then i'll claim crappy peers 1706087;1504062407;mircea_popescu;that's unfortunate. 1706088;1504062771;BingoBoingo;kanzure: So what's the quick spiel on how to use the other channel to turn into an augmented superman. Preferably by next week. 1706089;1504062820;kanzure;that's a rather fast timeline 1706090;1504062828;kanzure;i suggest using it to source anabolic steroids 1706091;1504062860;kanzure;but your timeline is still unreasonably short 1706092;1504062876;mircea_popescu;lol bb in roid rage. that should be some lulz. 1706093;1504062911;kanzure;a lot of the roid rage fearmongering is just general anti-anger wishful thinking 1706094;1504062944;BingoBoingo;kanzure: So what really is the selling point of hplus if it can't beat Trenbolone? 1706095;1504063043;mircea_popescu;people gotta have a home... 1706096;1504063075;BingoBoingo;Still, if gene therapy is going to be a thing it has to start beating incumbents. 1706097;1504063097;kanzure;have you guys laughed at the bioviva stuff yet? 1706098;1504063100;BingoBoingo;This is why Tesla is a golf cart maker 1706099;1504063127;kanzure;she wanted like $80M from me "but not for treatments" 1706100;1504063175;kanzure;(i mean her term sheet was garbage) 1706101;1504063260;BingoBoingo;Car needs to have range, and not take an eternity to refuel. 1706102;1504063286;BingoBoingo;Similarly what does modafinil and other non-amphetamine nootropics have going for them? 1706103;1504063329;kanzure;my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage. 1706104;1504063366;BingoBoingo;Anyway why focus on longevity? Why not focus on solutions like cocaine that allow for more living per year? 1706105;1504063389;kanzure;trenbolone is longevity now? 1706106;1504063434;kanzure;and do you mean cocaine resistance? why would you inflict that on someone? 1706107;1504063490;BingoBoingo;No! I mean cocaine and trenbolone are drugs that allow people to experience more living in a year. 1706108;1504063501;BingoBoingo;As opposed to living longer. 1706109;1504063516;BingoBoingo;Because who needs to be 90 anyways? We already had Seneca 1706110;1504063519;kanzure;ah you want hedonistic imperative https://www.hedweb.com/ 1706111;1504063527;kanzure;https://www.hedweb.com/hedethic/tabconhi.htm 1706112;1504063661;BingoBoingo;Nah, living is distinct from hedonism 1706113;1504063730;BingoBoingo;kanzure: See http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1685925 1706114;1504063730;a111;Logged on 2017-07-18 05:35 BingoBoingo predicts trend of pantsuit boy CEO's getting into this sort of artificial masculinity and calling it "biohacking" 1706115;1504063746;BingoBoingo;Conservation follows from there 1706116;1504063840;kanzure;happened a looong time ago. ever since "bullet proof coffee" and even before that. really awful history. 1706117;1504063907;kanzure;"Anyways, it doesn't actually do magic swole imparting without at least some exercise" not according to some studies. i mean it depends on how magic you're looking for. 1706118;1504064514;BingoBoingo;Well, gotta exercise off the rage? 1706119;1504064965;kanzure;what? surely not. 1706120;1504065038;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bodybuilding/The%20effects%20of%20supraphysiologic%20doses%20of%20testosterone%20on%20muscle%20size%20and%20strength%20in%20normal%20men.pdf 1706121;1504065210;*;BingoBoingo discussion Trenbolone, not testosterone. 1706122;1504065430;BingoBoingo;See https://archive.is/arv0s 1706123;1504065706;BingoBoingo;And https://archive.is/O5q07 1706124;1504066016;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706038 << above 2-3kW they recirculate the lasing gas per se. prolly unbeatable re cooling . 1706125;1504066016;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 02:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704960 << this is true, and yes pretty shocking. 1706126;1504066055;asciilifeform;( if you don't recirculate -- e.g., mine, does not -- limits power greatly, because gotta exchange heat ) 1706127;1504066165;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706097 never heard of it. 1706128;1504066165;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 03:18 kanzure: have you guys laughed at the bioviva stuff yet? 1706129;1504066196;kanzure;https://www.technologyreview.com/s/542371/a-tale-of-do-it-yourself-gene-therapy/ 1706130;1504066215;mircea_popescu;still with that huh. 1706131;1504066229;kanzure;except this one is hilarious 1706132;1504066235;mircea_popescu;everyone's forever enamoured with the scammer-of-the-day. back in groupon times everyone was liek "groupon !!!" 1706133;1504066249;mircea_popescu;thgen that dumb white bitch came up with this whole scam, everyone's her now. 1706134;1504066260;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706072 << if this were a universal cure , ocr error would be 0. thinkaboutit. 1706135;1504066260;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 02:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705053 << btw, cheap and obvious error correction : do once then rotate 90 degrees do again. then reconcile. is this used irl ? 1706136;1504066267;mircea_popescu;the airbnb fucktards made cereal boxes, everyone wanted to make cereal boxes. 1706137;1504066279;mircea_popescu;frisco "entrepreneurship" is ten layers beyond disgusting. 1706138;1504066299;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not universal by any means. but perhaps helpful. 1706139;1504066375;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706129 << see elso emperor qin shihuangdi's mercury pillz 1706140;1504066375;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 04:09 kanzure: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/542371/a-tale-of-do-it-yourself-gene-therapy/ 1706141;1504066428;asciilifeform;*also 1706142;1504066444;mircea_popescu;i thought elso was pretty cool... 1706143;1504066495;BingoBoingo;So, now there's a blockchain startup spelled "bluezelle" and pronounced "Bezzel" 1706144;1504066504;BingoBoingo;per Coindesk 1706145;1504066512;mircea_popescu;lol! 1706146;1504066525;BingoBoingo;brb, going stargazing 1706147;1504066700;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706137 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635959 1706148;1504066700;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 04:11 mircea_popescu: frisco "entrepreneurship" is ten layers beyond disgusting. 1706149;1504066700;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 15:50 asciilifeform: lottery winners have not merely 0 to teach, but 'learning' from them tends to make folx dumber. 1706150;1504066710;mircea_popescu;right 1706151;1504066736;asciilifeform;or see naggum's discussion of how 1990s consisted of series of imbeciles who 'wanted to be next microshit' 1706152;1504066751;mircea_popescu;which it did. 1706153;1504066768;mircea_popescu;therte's that ancient adage, "nothing's worse for a start-up than a bad money source early on". 1706154;1504066774;mircea_popescu;there is something. a bad model earlier on. 1706155;1504066876;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706104 << this view of cocaine is specific of the non-user. i never saw or heard of cocaine allowing more living per. 1706156;1504066876;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 BingoBoingo: Anyway why focus on longevity? Why not focus on solutions like cocaine that allow for more living per year? 1706157;1504066894;mircea_popescu;as if i fucking need to squeeze 120% out of a party. why ? if i like it that much ima just do it again nextweek, for +100%. 1706158;1504067038;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why buy the magic powder ( and dissolve yer septum ) then. 1706159;1504067040;asciilifeform;whatfor. 1706160;1504067073;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1706161;1504067076;asciilifeform;if not for 'live for the peaks, not the area under curve' . 1706162;1504067095;mircea_popescu;again, this is the theoretical view of movie cocaine. it dun work in this manner in practice. 1706163;1504067117;*;asciilifeform not tried 1706164;1504067133;mircea_popescu;actually, in biological terms sugar is a very fine comparison point. 1706165;1504067156;mircea_popescu;bad for you, esp in quantities ; can have some chocolate now and again ; ruins the taste of coffee or tea. 1706166;1504067212;mircea_popescu;people HAVE historically claimed it's "good for you" "better food than food" "makes you smart" etc. especially back when not most people could get it. 1706167;1504067257;asciilifeform;( most recently -- freud? ) 1706168;1504067267;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1706169;1504067330;asciilifeform;paging gabriel_laddel !!1! 1706170;1504067374;*;asciilifeform wonders: perhaps d00d finally got his wish : found cocaine . and hence never again heard from. 1706171;1504067379;mircea_popescu;lol 1706172;1504067405;asciilifeform;or was it meth, that he dreamed of. 1706173;1504067414;mircea_popescu;i dun recall 1706174;1504067474;asciilifeform;as i understand, all adrenergics are roughly similar ( in same way as all liquors, say ) in basic flavour of effect 1706175;1504067479;asciilifeform;so not much diff 1706176;1504067488;mircea_popescu;quite possible. 1706177;1504067764;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706116 << theoretically, a reverser of caffeine tolerance would be all the cocaine anybody could want.. 1706178;1504067764;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 03:30 kanzure: happened a looong time ago. ever since "bullet proof coffee" and even before that. really awful history. 1706179;1504067784;asciilifeform;for some reason ( afaik ) 0 attempts in this direction, to date. 1706180;1504067844;asciilifeform;there is nothing magical re tolerances. it's a physical condition, just as potentially removable as any other. 1706181;1504067907;asciilifeform;so happens that i remember my first cup of coffee, very well. but to drink it again ! 1706182;1504067953;mircea_popescu;o really ? 1706183;1504067957;mircea_popescu;i dun recall it impressing. 1706184;1504068030;asciilifeform;depends on the drinker. iirc the particular locus even was found. i may even have read in kanzure's links some time last decade. 1706185;1504068056;mircea_popescu;i think it might be a cultural thing. milk coffee was common breakfast kiddy thing in ro. i was amused to discover same is true in say nicaragua. 1706186;1504068115;asciilifeform;i was speaking of properly lethal black coffee of course. 1706187;1504068137;mircea_popescu;yeah. possibly why not. 1706188;1504068176;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706103 << funnily enough, exactly same as my view of computer. 1706189;1504068176;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 kanzure: my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage. 1706190;1504068303;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706124 << which is the better q here. why not commodify the gas, have really large gas pools for excitation. 1706191;1504068303;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 04:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706038 << above 2-3kW they recirculate the lasing gas per se. prolly unbeatable re cooling . 1706192;1504068322;mircea_popescu;if lab can keep an o2 tank, it can also keep an co2 laser tank 1706193;1504068327;asciilifeform;entirely commodified, wat 1706194;1504068337;asciilifeform;buy at welding shop. 1706195;1504068345;asciilifeform;is where one gets it. 1706196;1504068353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a mix tho, co2 is trace amt in laser co2. 1706197;1504068366;asciilifeform;i dun think i ever once set foot in a lab without a co2 tank 1706198;1504068376;mircea_popescu;LASER co2 mix. different co2. 1706199;1504068379;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you buy your particular mix. 1706200;1504068393;mircea_popescu;ok then. so wtf is this "100w laser". measure it in liters instead. 1706201;1504068416;asciilifeform;100w is the tabletop item most folx have. sealed tube. 1706202;1504068426;mircea_popescu;yes, but unseal the tube and use a large amt of gas. 1706203;1504068428;asciilifeform;water inlet for cooling. 1706204;1504068444;mircea_popescu;and cool that selfsame gas. 1706205;1504068453;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's the 20k+usd pro variant, is exactly how. 1706206;1504068485;mircea_popescu;yes but dun have to be 20k usd. just get a cubic meter of gas mix, and some flexible pipe. 1706207;1504068515;asciilifeform;it dun make sense at low power, to bother, so they ain't made small. 1706208;1504068515;mircea_popescu;blow tube with holes in it. 1706209;1504068534;mircea_popescu;my point being : you can blow your own tube, buy your own gas, hook it all up, and let it go. kitchenware. 1706210;1504068550;asciilifeform;the bitch, funnily, is never the tube 1706211;1504068553;asciilifeform;but the optics 1706212;1504068564;mircea_popescu;reuse optics from a current piece. 1706213;1504068570;asciilifeform;the alignment. 1706214;1504068577;mircea_popescu;mmm. 1706215;1504068619;asciilifeform;( as for 'from current', higher power demands better optic, for obvious reason ) 1706216;1504068645;mircea_popescu;i guess. though you know, overclocking. 1706217;1504068655;asciilifeform;me, i'd like direct diode-to-whatwe'recutting . 1706218;1504068662;asciilifeform;fuck mirrors. 1706219;1504068709;asciilifeform;incidentally, the 'kilowatt diode' ( and even 30W chinese item from last year's thread) are from a certain pov shams : 1706220;1504068716;asciilifeform;they are aggregates 1706221;1504068739;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1706222;1504068745;asciilifeform;of small ( 1-5W) diodes. and they don't cohere together (because how?) 1706223;1504068762;mircea_popescu;cascade them ? 1706224;1504068788;asciilifeform;that won't make the waves align 1706225;1504068810;mircea_popescu;whole principle of laser is that excited atom will spit out photon in phase with photon going by 1706226;1504068826;asciilifeform;consider why one even cuts with laser, and not with gigantic lamp and lens 1706227;1504068852;mircea_popescu;lol 1706228;1504068873;asciilifeform;( laser is possibly the least efficient known electrical light source , watt per watt in vs out ) 1706229;1504068874;mircea_popescu;no seriously, this is actually used. take weak laser from tube 1 through tube 2. 1706230;1504068919;asciilifeform;point being, they don't align phasewise: so N W-watt diode != N*W watt tube. 1706231;1504068945;asciilifeform;( by how much it loses, i leave as exercise for readers ) 1706232;1504068962;mircea_popescu;well not diodes, no. but N W-watt tube is = kNW tube. 1706233;1504068969;asciilifeform;and yes it is used. 1706234;1504068975;asciilifeform;when no other choice. 1706235;1504068980;mircea_popescu;myeah 1706236;1504069008;asciilifeform;( most obviously -- to pump a larger item ) 1706237;1504069041;asciilifeform;pumping is the classical recipe for 'add N lasers' 1706238;1504069056;mircea_popescu;aha. 1706239;1504069096;*;asciilifeform bbl 1706240;1504069426;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706103 << a nootropic reasonably defined (such as here) is exactly a munchausen artefact 1706241;1504069426;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 kanzure: my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage. 1706242;1504069435;mircea_popescu;(ie, item that'd permit any munchausen exploit from occuring) 1706243;1504072740;mircea_popescu;kanzure http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers. 1706244;1504072771;mircea_popescu;moreover, no, most emphatically NO there could not be subdivisions below the satoshi. in fact, not even fractions as small as the 100s of satoshis can be practically used. 1706245;1504072792;mircea_popescu;there's a limited ammount of different transactions that can be indexed, and that limit is not 2.1e12. 1706246;1504072811;mircea_popescu;why do these dorks imagine they're involved with bitcoin again ? 1706247;1504073960;BingoBoingo; as if i fucking need to squeeze 120% out of a party. why ? if i like it that much ima just do it again nextweek, for +100%. << Gotta address the biohackers and their "Drugs are bad, let's edit the meat" crowd. 1706248;1504074053;BingoBoingo; as i understand, all adrenergics are roughly similar ( in same way as all liquors, say ) in basic flavour of effect << Cocaine+MAOI=death Methamphetamine+MAOI=safe-ish 1706249;1504075358;BingoBoingo;From the novelty mines https://archive.is/mTd6S 1706250;1504082059;spyked;http://archive.is/rHrjj <-- this might be of (very limited) interest re wintel x86 discussion. mostly for amusement 1706251;1504082156;mircea_popescu;o hey 1706252;1504082190;spyked;to wit: 1. dorks plant pervasive spyhole in commodity hardware, "to catch terrorists" I suppose; 2. at some point someone figures out everyone can use it, not only "agencies"; 3. at some point (much later!) dorks figure out they can be used to spy on "agencies" too; 4. dorks finally add secret method to disable spyhole. 1706253;1504082214;mircea_popescu;compressed xml to boot. 1706254;1504082373;spyked;hi mircea_popescu; lol yeah. also, other lulz: "There are three such cores in the new PCH: Management Engine (ME), Integrated Sensors Hub (ISH), and Innovation Engine (IE)." innovation engine! 1706255;1504082400;mircea_popescu;im sure 1706256;1504082428;mircea_popescu;We're Boring And Stupid doesn't quite have the same sound to it 1706257;1504083207;spyked;in other innovative and artificially Intel-ligent news: http://archive.is/Mo85Z when did Hillis/Sussman/Feynman play with the connection machine? ah, late '80s! 1706258;1504083313;mircea_popescu;heh 1706259;1504094304;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1706260;1504094317;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4525.0, vol: 14007.27309918 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4525.1, vol: 38548.57252327 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4532.87, vol: 6883.17248839 | Volume-weighted last average: 4525.97621775 1706261;1504094332;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706250 <<< This was amusing spyked, thx for share. 1706262;1504094332;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 08:34 spyked: http://archive.is/rHrjj <-- this might be of (very limited) interest re wintel x86 discussion. mostly for amusement 1706263;1504096795;spyked;yw shinohai :) 1706264;1504097056;shinohai;Makes me rather forlorn that ex gf threw out my spi tool thinking it was a broken usb drive xD 1706265;1504098015;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706252 << if you're actually convinced that 1) the published method fully and permanently disables the thing 2) it was the one and only fritzchip core in intelturd --- i got bridge to sellya. 1706266;1504098015;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 08:36 spyked: to wit: 1. dorks plant pervasive spyhole in commodity hardware, "to catch terrorists" I suppose; 2. at some point someone figures out everyone can use it, not only "agencies"; 3. at some point (much later!) dorks figure out they can be used to spy on "agencies" too; 4. dorks finally add secret method to disable spyhole. 1706267;1504098037;asciilifeform;Just Say No to intel. 1706268;1504098058;asciilifeform;( and post-'09 amd . ) 1706269;1504098187;asciilifeform;( and obsessing over cpu, in a machine arch where nic has dma -- is tunnel vision. ) 1706270;1504098371;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706257 << nn chips were sold in '80s 1706271;1504098371;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 08:53 spyked: in other innovative and artificially Intel-ligent news: http://archive.is/Mo85Z when did Hillis/Sussman/Feynman play with the connection machine? ah, late '80s! 1706272;1504098452;asciilifeform;popular again because of surveillance cameras and 'terrorism' 1706273;1504098461;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-26#1386298 << oblig thread re nn 1706274;1504098461;a111;Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc) 1706275;1504098527;asciilifeform;the 'alphago' stunt -- was marketing, for these. 1706276;1504098773;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706243 << could be ordinary stupidity, could be -- wrecking. i can easily picture the derps campaigning for 'let's have btc amts as rationals!' so that eventually a tx weighs 100MB ( in which to represent the ever-cancerously growing ratio ) 1706277;1504098773;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 05:59 mircea_popescu: kanzure http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers. 1706278;1504098877;shinohai;Because decimals are too hard man 1706279;1504098910;asciilifeform;shinohai: finite bit field ~= integer 1706280;1504098957;asciilifeform;( ieee floats are in effect a demented, drooling integer stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits ) 1706281;1504099106;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701777 << see also 1706282;1504099106;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 06:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701493 << he has a point, incidentally. the notion of ~approximating~ numeric machine is about as batshit insane as the notion of concave airplane or open-ended circulatory system. 1706283;1504099573;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706269 <-- aha. or where NIC can call home arbitrarily for that matter (AFAIK this was a thing in certain cn stuff) 1706284;1504099573;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 13:03 asciilifeform: ( and obsessing over cpu, in a machine arch where nic has dma -- is tunnel vision. ) 1706285;1504099710;asciilifeform;spyked: 'call home' is not the smart model. 'stuff random chunks of physical memory, encrypted to nsakey, into margins of outgoing packets' is a smart model 1706286;1504099764;asciilifeform;as is 'listen for magic poke-arbitrary-addr packet-indistinguishable-from-icmp-ping', etc 1706287;1504099848;asciilifeform;or encodes leaked mem into timings, say. use imagination. 1706288;1504099937;asciilifeform;nobody 'calls home', wtf, when you have every isp on the planet realtime bugged, every wire that leaves a house is 'home'. 1706289;1504099995;asciilifeform;they simply. 1706290;1504099996;asciilifeform; 1706291;1504099998;asciilifeform;call. 1706292;1504100014;*;asciilifeform bbl 1706293;1504100089;spyked;^ actually, anecdote. friend of a friend ordered cheap NICs for some business. returned them immediately when he saw they were sending weird data to selected IP addresses. the whole lot. 1706294;1504100252;spyked;so, very much an obvious case of "call home". 1706295;1504101154;spyked;speaking of orders, asciilifeform, estimated arrival date for icestick is ~beginning of november. later than I initially expected, but eh. plenty of time to study related literature & assorted items 1706296;1504102259;shinohai;Kik messenger to renamed "Kek messenger" when this SFYL occurs: http://archive.is/H6qg5 1706297;1504104757;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706293 << very orc / no class. 1706298;1504104757;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 13:34 spyked: ^ actually, anecdote. friend of a friend ordered cheap NICs for some business. returned them immediately when he saw they were sending weird data to selected IP addresses. the whole lot. 1706299;1504106954;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706280 << exactly. 1706300;1504106954;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 13:15 asciilifeform: ( ieee floats are in effect a demented, drooling integer stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits ) 1706301;1504106978;mircea_popescu;not to mention, eerily similar to demented, drooling char stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits known as unicode. 1706302;1504107006;mircea_popescu;i'm at the edge of my chair with bated breath awaiting the imperial notion of the list. 1706303;1504107097;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706296 << i suspect for all these mayweather friends of crypto it's a case of "free money on the table!". 1706304;1504107097;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 14:10 shinohai: Kik messenger to renamed "Kek messenger" when this SFYL occurs: http://archive.is/H6qg5 1706305;1504107124;mircea_popescu;wtf does buying "their" version of the usg coin get me ? "uhhh... same as the republic's" bitch... you can't be the same as the republic. you suck ; the republioc doesn't. 1706306;1504107325;shinohai;Blokechain technologee at it's finest! 1706307;1504107433;mircea_popescu;"o man, the guys in finance figured out a way to get paid for selling shares without selling any" "whoa" "Technologee man. it can do anything" "can it make you shut up ?" 1706308;1504107543;mircea_popescu;" With millions of users, Kik said it hopes to drive mainstream consumer adoption of Kin, potentially making it the most widely used cryptocurrency." 1706309;1504107559;mircea_popescu;totally. what the fuck is kik anyway, the irrelevant nonservice that facebook didn't buy for a trillion ? 1706310;1504107569;mircea_popescu;whatever happened to telegram or w/e it was the one they did buy ? 1706311;1504107593;mircea_popescu;funny how these shits are OMFG HUGE IMPORTANT RA RA RA until some bagholder actually buys them, at which point they entirely disappear overnight. 1706312;1504107626;mircea_popescu;how does such huge important mass manage to not have any inertia is anyone's guess ; how fucking broken everyone involved's mind must be not not realize inertialess = worthless is anyone's guess. 1706313;1504107733;shinohai;Blockchain Capital is one of the "investors" that pre-purchased tokens ( a brainfart of Brock Pierce) 1706314;1504107899;mircea_popescu;bitcoins to pantsuit cunts that deal was "we'll give you 10k in cash for what we imagine is 100k in publicity" "lol this 100k in publicity is maybe worth 10 bux. deal." 1706315;1504107961;mircea_popescu;in case anyone wondered "How do famous athletes and child actors end up peniless", this'd be how. like those two retarded twins, what was their name, the mcgregors. "oh we're gonna buy relevancy" "yeah, totally, that's something that works" 1706316;1504108083;asciilifeform;for folx without theorems to do, there will always be found someone who will 'sell relevancy' 1706317;1504108118;asciilifeform;because empty skin of a man . 1706318;1504108380;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 7-27: 1706319;1504108381;asciilifeform;13:01 < kanzure> i mean not for the scihub content 1706320;1504108381;asciilifeform;13:08 < fenn> why against mirroring? 1706321;1504108381;asciilifeform;13:08 < kanzure> she wants to control the access in her own way 1706322;1504108381;asciilifeform;13:08 < kanzure> why do you think we don't already have 10 copies of this shit? 1706323;1504108744;asciilifeform;7-24: 1706324;1504108745;asciilifeform;12:45 < nmz787> kanzure: so what does that mean you can do now? can I use LedgerX for some service now? 1706325;1504108745;asciilifeform;12:46 < kanzure> for now we are only offering service to institutions 1706326;1504108745;asciilifeform;12:46 < kanzure> essentially we are the first fully-regulated bitcoin options exchange + clearinghouse 1706327;1504110618;shinohai;dafuq 1706328;1504113436;ben_vulpes;!~later tell p0nziph0ne stop join/parting, wouldja? 1706329;1504113436;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded. 1706330;1504113453;asciilifeform;ohai ben_vulpes 1706331;1504113457;ben_vulpes;ohai asciilifeform 1706332;1504113461;ben_vulpes;que paso 1706333;1504113509;asciilifeform;currently wondering if everybody's prb takes 2 days to walletrescan, or just mine. 1706334;1504113527;asciilifeform;( i needed a prb for an experiment... ) 1706335;1504113558;*;shinohai looks askance @ asciilifeform 1706336;1504113564;ben_vulpes;i have not started those experiments yet; moving entire personal workshop 1706337;1504113596;asciilifeform;'we'll butcher'em all amidst laughter and merriment -- except for a few we'll take home to experiment...' (tm)(r)(tomlehrer) 1706338;1504113643;*;ben_vulpes hums along 1706339;1504113708;asciilifeform;also ate a month+ of heathenlogz but eventually maxed dosimeter. 1706340;1504114077;asciilifeform;turns out , there is only so much... academitardism, ustardism, bitcoinscalingism, regulationsmatterreallytheydoism, etc that asciilifeform can swallow before barfing. 1706341;1504114118;asciilifeform;e.g. 6-28, 1706342;1504114119;asciilifeform;10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B to fix climate change is too cheap and nobody is going to believe you" 1706343;1504114119;asciilifeform;10:14 < kanzure> meanwhile total damage has been reported to be often >$1T 1706344;1504114125;asciilifeform;11:06 < emeraldgreen> kanzure what's the proposal? genetically engineered algae, or geoengineering with special spray ? 1706345;1504114125;asciilifeform;11:07 < kanzure> well i would prefer star shades, but cloud whitening seems to be popular. 1706346;1504114194;kanzure;star shades are much more practical than you might hope http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/space/Self-deployed%20extremely%20large%20low%20mass%20space%20structures%20-%202007.pdf 1706347;1504114240;asciilifeform;nuclear ablation for countries full of uppity californirasts, fortunately, just as practical. 1706348;1504114286;kanzure;i am down with nuclear ablation too 1706349;1504114351;asciilifeform;hey kanzure , can haz that product catalogue yet ? 1706350;1504114381;kanzure;it's on ye olde todo list and your request will be answered in the order in which it was received 1706351;1504114389;asciilifeform;aite. 1706352;1504114414;asciilifeform;i gotta wonder, kanzure , you don't like money ? or what. ( or make it not by selling anything ? ) 1706353;1504114424;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/space/Self-deployed%20space%20or%20planetary%20habitats%20and%20extremely%20large%20structures%20-%202007.pdf 1706354;1504114438;asciilifeform;^ product?! 1706355;1504115459;asciilifeform;!!up r0nin- 1706356;1504115459;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes. 1706357;1504115565;trinque;kanzure: fucking hell, a star shade. the narcissism out of folks like you will flow over any wall but extinction, wont it. 1706358;1504115576;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46C27AD0AF3FE033C2E7C3002569514FFBD45D3011FC4BFA3476F874B9FB203B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...2367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.82.66.83 (ssh-rsa key from 190.82.66.83 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns.sercompruiz.cl. CL RM) 1706359;1504115576;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46C27AD0AF3FE033C2E7C3002569514FFBD45D3011FC4BFA3476F874B9FB203B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1699...9987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.82.66.83 (ssh-rsa key from 190.82.66.83 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns.sercompruiz.cl. CL RM) 1706360;1504115677;ben_vulpes;hubris of ameliorating "global warming" is pretty cute, right up there with terraforming mars. 1706361;1504115726;trinque;worst people ever to walk the earth, their own suicidality showing in every word. 1706362;1504115756;ben_vulpes;as if the blip of geological time sapiens observed is representative, and not a transient of a transient 1706363;1504115785;*;trinque been saying this to the "UNPRECEDENTED FLOODING" derps every chance he gets. 1706364;1504115795;ben_vulpes;also gimme a break, the root cause here is the chain reaction of burning all of the stored hydrocarbons, and it ain't going to stop until all of the fuel is gone. 1706365;1504115802;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'we are the greatest people, we are the greatest nation, Nothing Like Us Ever Was, our every whim is a Global Consensus, and stfu terrorist' 1706366;1504115866;ben_vulpes;also the ahistoricity of "omfg stop burning things, slow the warming". dog, the damage was done when the first nuggets of coal came out and went up. 1706367;1504115880;ben_vulpes;moreover, as if cleaner diesel's going to do anything about the haze in cn, etc etc. 1706368;1504115892;ben_vulpes;"but what should we dooooo?" 1706369;1504115902;ben_vulpes;"how about stop confusing ought for is in your tiny little head?" 1706370;1504115910;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: envirowhiner is not interested in 'everybody stop burning fuel'. he is interested in 'YOU non-annointed, stop eating' 1706371;1504115959;asciilifeform;!#s deindustrialization 1706372;1504115960;a111;12 results for "deindustrialization", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deindustrialization 1706373;1504116001;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586016 . 1706374;1504116001;a111;Logged on 2016-12-19 19:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the death of the 'fat consumer' system is not optional, it's an exponential/runaway growth hallucinatory nonsense. the lizard deindustrialization program is in re the ~controlled demolition~ of same. 1706375;1504116008;trinque;runaway insecurity/narcissistic-escalation machine. 1706376;1504116023;trinque;actually believe the earth is here "for them" as the motherstate of course is. 1706377;1504116045;trinque;and they fuckinglovescience enough to know all the knobs and diddle. 1706378;1504116109;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6764E7F97C289296C1A28AA933762B54BD4D3A511D0042C3B5E6DFD071D0BCF5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...3493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.134.240.93 (ssh-rsa key from 205.134.240.93 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host.lauml.com. US CA) 1706379;1504116109;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6764E7F97C289296C1A28AA933762B54BD4D3A511D0042C3B5E6DFD071D0BCF5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1750...8167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.134.240.93 (ssh-rsa key from 205.134.240.93 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host.lauml.com. US CA) 1706380;1504116158;asciilifeform;forty tonnes of jet fuel per diem for al gore and tim cook, trinque , and low-pressure showerheads and mealsquares for you an' i. 1706381;1504116163;trinque;if that old cunt knows exactly how much money to print "to grow the economy" why wouldn't some other old cunt know exactly how much solar shield to build 1706382;1504116173;trinque;asciilifeform: sure that too 1706383;1504116342;ben_vulpes;in other unsustainability news, ben_vulpes has another mouth to feed on the way 1706384;1504116389;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this is 2nd ? 1706385;1504116412;ben_vulpes;running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble 1706386;1504117520;kanzure;what is the specific complaint about a star shade other than narcissism? 1706387;1504117580;ben_vulpes;lord only knows what unintended consequences it'll have, neh? 1706388;1504117595;kanzure;ah good thing everyone is omniscient... what? 1706389;1504117609;asciilifeform;or how about 'i didn't ask to be shaded' ? 1706390;1504117615;kanzure;is it going to shade you? 1706391;1504117633;asciilifeform;i can see it as a (largely fictional) weapon. against folx who have nothing with which to disagree. 1706392;1504117649;kanzure;almost everything can be weaponized. that's not a good argument. 1706393;1504117663;asciilifeform;i mean, it is intrinsically a weapon. like nuke. 1706394;1504117672;trinque;humans fail at making predictions on far less complex systems than "lol teh whole sun/earth interaction". 1706395;1504117676;trinque;so, fuck right off. 1706396;1504117698;asciilifeform;i, for instance, dun agree to be shaded. and do not see it as substantially different from being bombed. 1706397;1504117704;kanzure;the sun shade does not necessarily need to be used between the sun and earth. there are many potential uses for sunshades, some that even provide experimental data without loss of life ~necessarily. 1706398;1504117744;asciilifeform;and hbomb can be used to mine in asteroid... 1706399;1504117745;trinque;it was brought up in the context of "climate change". don't slime sideways now. 1706400;1504117752;asciilifeform;^ 1706401;1504117754;trinque;cowardly conversation tactic. 1706402;1504117763;kanzure;eh, i think it would be tested before using it re: climate change. 1706403;1504117767;ben_vulpes;more of the classic progressive "we'll fix the world for the poor brown people, because they can't want it for themselves" 1706404;1504117794;kanzure;why would you bring the poor into this 1706405;1504117817;kanzure;if we're going to talk about cowardly conversation tactics how about "omg you're going to nuke us because you're planning to deploy a sun shade" 1706406;1504117839;asciilifeform;kanzure: what part of 'i don't want to be shaded' is hard to understand ? 1706407;1504117849;asciilifeform;i deny this 'we' the californirasts operate with. 1706408;1504117853;kanzure;what part of "why are you going to be shaded?" did you forget to reply to 1706409;1504117855;asciilifeform;i ain't ever joining in this 'we'. 1706410;1504117859;kanzure;("is it going to shade you?") 1706411;1504117874;asciilifeform;this includes the taxation with which kanzure et al intend to further their megalomania. 1706412;1504117895;kanzure;huh? 1706413;1504117910;asciilifeform;does kanzure intend to build it with own pocket money ? 1706414;1504117921;kanzure;if you consider my existence to be overly taxing to you, perhaps you should drop dead 1706415;1504117974;trinque;"there's no time to understand what we're doing; lives are at stake!" 1706416;1504117977;kanzure;i've lost the flow of this conversation. 1706417;1504117994;kanzure;so why would deploying a star shade and testing it-- perhaps not even on the earth-- preclude understanding what you're doing? 1706418;1504118038;trinque;channel's logged bub, and you still haven't absorbed the implications of that. 1706419;1504118053;kanzure;i haven't absorbed the implication of logged channels? 1706420;1504118058;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706342 1706421;1504118058;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 17:28 asciilifeform: 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B to fix climate change is too cheap and nobody is going to believe you" 1706422;1504118060;trinque;no, you haven't 1706423;1504118098;trinque;and I've dealt with enough valleytards to be familiar with the crabwalk you do in arguments. 1706424;1504118183;kanzure;so, for example, there seems to be an assumption that a star shade would *have* to shade asciilifeform. why? 1706425;1504118417;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706397 << meanwhile this tactic hopes the reader assumes the best, while the writer avoided making a hard statement. 1706426;1504118417;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:28 kanzure: the sun shade does not necessarily need to be used between the sun and earth. there are many potential uses for sunshades, some that even provide experimental data without loss of life ~necessarily. 1706427;1504118431;trinque;you people are so awash with marketing bastards out there you speak it natively. 1706428;1504118459;kanzure;why do i need to make a hard statement about a star shade deployment plan? 1706429;1504118478;kanzure;isn't it a little early for me to mae such a specific proposal..? 1706430;1504118483;kanzure;+k 1706431;1504118600;kanzure;also: around these parts, is it sacrilege to speak about technologies that aren't at the far end of nasa's readiness scale? that might explain a lot. 1706432;1504118675;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-30#193441 << how does this even begin to work without putting a shade between earth and sol? 1706433;1504118676;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-30 17:25 asciilifeform: 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B to fix climate change is too cheap and nobody is going to believe you" 1706434;1504118683;trinque;if you can't communicate a specific model, why are you talking, other than to cast your upvote for whatever futurememe gives you a semi? 1706435;1504118711;asciilifeform;how about, say, i ~like~ warmer climate, and don't want it 'mitigated' ? 1706436;1504118715;asciilifeform;how'bout that ? 1706437;1504118746;asciilifeform;how about nasa is a subsidy for lockheed, and oughta go away with the rest of the idiot reich ? 1706438;1504118815;kanzure;trinque: i think our disagreement is regarding the level of readiness or detail of a model. your requirement is one for models that are much more mature. i think it would be better if you insist on as much upfront in the future... i'll try to keep that in mind. 1706439;1504118867;kanzure;ben_vulpes: well, low-cost non-shading approaches might be <$1B but i have given those less thought. you can deploy nukes for less than $1B (like to change orbit parameters) but that also causes other problems that would be viewed as more extreme than climate change. 1706440;1504118868;asciilifeform;how about 'sun shade' is an instrument of world government, and fuck world government ? 1706441;1504118890;ben_vulpes;lol changing orbit parameters; this is a classic 1706442;1504118891;kanzure;no that doesn't work so well; private space ventures would then also be world government instruments. 1706443;1504118893;ben_vulpes;"frisky dingo: 1706444;1504118911;ben_vulpes;epic cartoon btw 1706445;1504118925;kanzure;asciilifeform: regarding your preference for warmer climates, is there a limit? 1706446;1504118930;kanzure;upper limit 1706447;1504118972;asciilifeform;i'd rather roast to death than live under amerireich. 1706448;1504119013;kanzure;wouldn't roasting to death interfere with your no-suck computer goals 1706449;1504119053;asciilifeform;my ultimate goal would be satisfied -- the demolition of californitardia and all it stood for. 1706450;1504119078;ben_vulpes;and hey, a mere three degree increase could kill enough folks to bring the population back to a reasonable level. 1706451;1504119089;kanzure;is three degrees enough for that 1706452;1504119094;ben_vulpes;n degrees. 1706453;1504119169;asciilifeform;at risk of digressing, i will note that it is gut-bustingly funny that people who cannot produce a comp that doesn't crash, prattle on about planet-reshaping wunderwaffen 1706454;1504119321;asciilifeform;and people who cannot master the fully deterministic fucking von neumann machine, talk about usefully diddling genome 1706455;1504119449;asciilifeform;your solar redirector, kanzure , what will the targeting comp run on ? same micropython as your electroporator ?? on what iron ? nsa-intel ? 1706456;1504119507;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666454 1706457;1504119507;a111;Logged on 2017-06-06 15:24 mircea_popescu: and if experience with the empire of "i just want to" lazy idiots is any guide, they're DEFINITELY not going to "get in trouble for buying microsoft". because "nobody could have predicted" and "they were just doing their job" which "hey man, it's just a gig, it's not my life!" 1706458;1504119521;trinque;their real-me is world-terraforming godman don't ya know? 1706459;1504119678;asciilifeform;it's just indescribably precious, 'i will move orbit of the earth', but can he produce so much as a thermostat that provably follows the claimed algo , rather than daotronic idiocy ? 1706460;1504119711;kanzure;have i claimed that i am going to move the earth? what? 1706461;1504119721;asciilifeform;not speaking of you specifically, kanzure 1706462;1504119737;asciilifeform;but of the megalomania implicit in taking a serious interest in planeteering, per se 1706463;1504119767;kanzure;do you have a specific problem with megalomania? or am i going to get a zen butt statement about balance in reply.. 1706464;1504119948;asciilifeform;people who lean to megalomania that they haven't the resources to make flesh -- i find merely boring 1706465;1504119977;asciilifeform;those who proclaim intent to steal the requisite resources, by politicking -- i call the enemy. 1706466;1504120130;asciilifeform;not because 'they will mutilate the earth' -- that threat will be credible some time after they can make an os that actually works 1706467;1504120190;asciilifeform;but because they drop snr and make a mockery of thinking itself. 1706468;1504120247;asciilifeform;the last generation of idiot-savants gave socialists the nuke. this one wants to give'em, what, death star. 1706469;1504120772;asciilifeform;trinque's point re narcissism was spot on. these people see non-californirasts, who don't subscribe to the collective 'we musts', as NPCs. 1706470;1504120830;asciilifeform;to be planeteered over, surveilled, dekulakized ( via, e.g., kanzure's 'well-regulated' bait-and-switch shitcointronics ) , re-dieted to mealsquares, etc. 1706471;1504121177;asciilifeform;kanzure et al walk up and say, in essence, 'i own you, meat.' 'your home is my plaything' 'your labour is for me to dispose of'. thing is, if it were true, he would not have to say anything -- just as farmer does not have to say it to the cow 1706472;1504121196;asciilifeform;we are looking at attempted bamboozlement, rather than true domination. 1706473;1504121209;asciilifeform;and the one thing the target always CAN do -- is to withhold the cooperation. 1706474;1504121305;kanzure;what value would it be to dominate a bunch of aimless folx? 1706475;1504121316;asciilifeform;that's a question for kanzure . 1706476;1504121333;asciilifeform;i for one have nfi what he thinks he is doing here. 1706477;1504121362;kanzure;seems that you think i am here for "true domination". you said so just a moment ago.. 1706478;1504121421;asciilifeform;well kanzure's answer to 'no, i don't want a usa-controlled planeteering death star to exist' was not 'oh hey this 1 d00d doesn't like it, guess i won't advocate to build it' 1706479;1504121428;asciilifeform;but 'fuck you, i'll do what i want' 1706480;1504121439;asciilifeform;that's definitionally 'domination', neh 1706481;1504121628;asciilifeform;i for one do not know ( though can make educated guess ! ) what kanzure is doing in bitcoin. but asciilifeform's interest in it is specifically in bringing this whole 'international Consensused We' to a permanent end. 1706482;1504121703;asciilifeform;it is why i work on, e.g., trb, despite having scarcely any coin personally. 1706483;1504121801;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1706484;1504121817;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4558.72, vol: 9463.58645800 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4555.8, vol: 19660.2295178 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4553.75, vol: 4578.42830177 | Volume-weighted last average: 4556.34144449 1706485;1504121933;BingoBoingo; totally. what the fuck is kik anyway, the irrelevant nonservice that facebook didn't buy for a trillion ? << Porno messenger promoted through craigslist spam 1706486;1504121966;BingoBoingo; whatever happened to telegram or w/e it was the one they did buy ? << Whatsapp, still bringing SMS to pinoys everywhere 1706487;1504122130;BingoBoingo; nuclear ablation for countries full of uppity californirasts, fortunately, just as practical. << Time the explosions, maybe get a couple micrometers further from sun for bonus cooling 1706488;1504122155;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and hey, ultimate ( at least theoretically ) 'star shield', neh 1706489;1504122167;asciilifeform;let'em taste the medicine they prescribed for others. 1706490;1504122227;BingoBoingo; hubris of ameliorating "global warming" is pretty cute, right up there with terraforming mars. << Eh, the right weeds would prolly do most of the terraforming themselves. Probably won't make much more habitable, but still more earthlike 1706491;1504122266;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'mars' is codespeak for 'moar grantolade', strictly 1706492;1504122357;asciilifeform;( and yes, it's still grantolade if the fed prints it and gives it to elon musk et al to keep warm up his arse for a while and only then he gives it to you . ) 1706493;1504122378;BingoBoingo; running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble << Congrats on your impending 5th 1706494;1504122532;BingoBoingo; if we're going to talk about cowardly conversation tactics how about "omg you're going to nuke us because you're planning to deploy a sun shade" << This falls under "Right to farm" Sunshade does a concrete economic harm, is an act of war 1706495;1504122543;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706321 << so how is this any kind of fucking improvement. 1706496;1504122543;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 15:53 asciilifeform: 13:08 < kanzure> she wants to control the access in her own way 1706497;1504122560;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's a pretty good weapon, as far as these go. ( it it existed... ) 1706498;1504122564;asciilifeform;*if 1706499;1504122566;mircea_popescu;"oh, the blue usg has come up with some orc that'll do their dirty work of trying to steal publicly funded research from the rest of the usg" 1706500;1504122577;mircea_popescu;hurr durr, who the fuck has a horse in this race. 1706501;1504122608;kanzure;yeah i tried offering her money for copies of all ~50 TB but nope 1706502;1504122628;kanzure;re: "right to farm", sunshade can be tiny, can be big, can be over ocean or whatever, all sorts of magic. 1706503;1504122646;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706337 ehehe. 1706504;1504122646;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 17:19 asciilifeform: 'we'll butcher'em all amidst laughter and merriment -- except for a few we'll take home to experiment...' (tm)(r)(tomlehrer) 1706505;1504122647;asciilifeform;just like hbomb. 1706506;1504122654;kanzure;e.g. daylength can be shortened by ~1 hour by clever shading 1706507;1504122687;mircea_popescu;kanzure it's empty wankery of the sort a certain kind of us-born, esl drone (aka, castrato) engages in. 1706508;1504122694;asciilifeform;didja ask , say, mircea_popescu , whether he would like his day shortened ? 1706509;1504122700;mircea_popescu;actually putting it in would certainly be a violation of the nonmilitarization of space convention. 1706510;1504122709;kanzure;asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu live everywhere or something? 1706511;1504122737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's really in the vein of "artificial implants and future intelligence will bla bla" sorta argument. one step removed from d&d. 1706512;1504122747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun even see this 1step 1706513;1504122758;mircea_popescu;well they gave up the capes. for the most part. 1706514;1504122782;asciilifeform;gave up capes, but came to genuinely believe that the magic spells, work 1706515;1504122782;asciilifeform;or rather -- 'will work Any Day Now' 1706516;1504122788;BingoBoingo; no that doesn't work so well; private space ventures would then also be world government instruments. << If private space company aggresses my tomatoes with sunshade, that is a tort and an aggression. Traditionally remedy for unwanted shading is chainsaw 1706517;1504122798;mircea_popescu;hey, did i mention the artificial technology future implants ? 1706518;1504122804;mircea_popescu;also, qualias. 1706519;1504122809;asciilifeform;don't forget tulpas. 1706520;1504122816;mircea_popescu;o right, tulpas. is what i meant. 1706521;1504122869;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706339 << i ran some structurizers on it. because apparently these people lived for a decade never discoveredf they want a search button ;/ 1706522;1504122869;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 17:21 asciilifeform: also ate a month+ of heathenlogz but eventually maxed dosimeter. 1706523;1504122871;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'war was invented by people living downstream of herds' 1706524;1504122919;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706351 << ahahaha 1706525;1504122919;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 17:33 asciilifeform: aite. 1706526;1504122925;mircea_popescu;i take this is two weeks. 1706527;1504122953;asciilifeform;lol 1706528;1504122966;mircea_popescu;in other news, locally sourced undershirts of my most serene majesty are very fine cotton, but also Tres Asses brand. 1706529;1504122992;mircea_popescu;it's unclear whether this means very ass or three asses, but in any case, let no one ever call me an asshole. i'm evidently a triasshole. 1706530;1504123022;BingoBoingo; re: "right to farm", sunshade can be tiny, can be big, can be over ocean or whatever, all sorts of magic. << Per tradition and actual law anything that interferes with farming be it a coyote, hippy vandal, or orbital umbrella is subject to correction by the farmer. 1706531;1504123037;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706357 << -- >> http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ pretty much exactly. 1706532;1504123037;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 17:52 trinque: kanzure: fucking hell, a star shade. the narcissism out of folks like you will flow over any wall but extinction, wont it. 1706533;1504123078;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: observe how he snaked smoothly from 'fix global warming!11' to 'spot-cooling of your back yard on-demand' 1706534;1504123150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706369 << how about focusing on your own fucking problems! clean up that pizza wrapper! cook for fucking once. go out and walk that misfortunate dog of yours. instead of pretending to "solve" the problems of distant others for the transparent reason that you can avoid having to confront not having done ANYTHING in a whole decade this way. 1706535;1504123150;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 17:58 ben_vulpes: "how about stop confusing ought for is in your tiny little head?" 1706536;1504123157;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Lol, still day may come where Rural King begins stocking anti-orbital umbrella rockets next to gopher gassers 1706537;1504123195;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how about just stocking one fucking whip, and beating the stupid daughter to the point she cant fucking speak next she comes up with "But i LOVE HIM!!! daddy" nonsense. 1706538;1504123199;mircea_popescu;way the fuck cheaper. 1706539;1504123248;BingoBoingo;They already carry those 1706540;1504123252;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they're in aisle 15, right next to the deobumminators. 1706541;1504123256;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706370 << this is actually quite on point. i've never seen any of these government-funded "ngos" propose all public employees walk or lose their job. 1706542;1504123256;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 17:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: envirowhiner is not interested in 'everybody stop burning fuel'. he is interested in 'YOU non-annointed, stop eating' 1706543;1504123274;mircea_popescu;which, you know, would decongest most cities. 1706544;1504123373;*;BingoBoingo still waiting for "public employees walk into shredder for biodiesel conversion" 1706545;1504123407;*;asciilifeform would like to see the paypalmoolah-funded friscoites mulched first, prior to any postman 1706546;1504123408;mircea_popescu;shocking how simple measures never occur, "coincidentally". really, it .. wouldn't be practical to mandate anyone on the public budget stop using fossils ? awww. 1706547;1504123410;mircea_popescu;and why the fuck not. 1706548;1504123489;BingoBoingo;Also the irony that the only "strong employee unions" represent "public" employees against the public 1706549;1504123496;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706380 << speaking of this, wouldja like to hear the hydrological adventures of costa rica ? 1706550;1504123496;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:02 asciilifeform: forty tonnes of jet fuel per diem for al gore and tim cook, trinque , and low-pressure showerheads and mealsquares for you an' i. 1706551;1504123525;asciilifeform;aha? 1706552;1504123603;mircea_popescu;so, i don't have a reservoir here. i could build one, but i don't want to, because it'd be too small (there's a minimum size of reservoir, because the algae ie "taste" is a function of surface approx, whereas volume obv matter of volume ; if your tank is not big enough it'll be flavoured.) 1706553;1504123612;mircea_popescu;consequently, water is pumped. 1706554;1504123648;mircea_popescu;now, the main pump is obviously pressure graded : if pressure drops it kicks into higher gear. the heating system has its own pump. which, of course, ALSO presure graded. 1706555;1504123684;mircea_popescu;and the shower has a pair of buttons : if you increase the hot water debit, this drops pressure for the hot pump, which kicks in, dropping pressure for the main pump, which kicks in. and vice-versa. 1706556;1504123699;mircea_popescu;because of this complicated arrangement, i can experiment with histerezis in my shower! 1706557;1504123727;mircea_popescu;this is the best example of unintentional bad complexity ever. 1706558;1504123738;asciilifeform;and now mircea_popescu knows how impedance mismatch in , e.g., memory allocators, worx. 1706559;1504123761;asciilifeform;and, say, Bélády's anomaly . 1706560;1504123775;mircea_popescu;"is a pressure graded pump better than a plain, fixed effort pump ?" "yes, of course" sayz eg kanzure : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706020 1706561;1504123775;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 02:00 kanzure: eh it also has some reprogrammable features for different waveform zapmagic 1706562;1504123795;mircea_popescu;but in practice... you end up with two of these on partial circuits, and now i need a fluid flow phd to take a shower. 1706563;1504123806;asciilifeform;see also the proverbial bus with 4 steering wheels. 1706564;1504123837;mircea_popescu;better example of how a) commodified "All purpose" hardware plus b) best intentions all around produce an unmanageable (literally, as a physical reality) situation could not be devised. 1706565;1504123854;asciilifeform;!#s flashlight crashed 1706566;1504123854;a111;3 results for "flashlight crashed", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flashlight%20crashed 1706567;1504123859;mircea_popescu;oh and as a bonus : obviously the more complicated to be replaced is also the one that should be : the litteler pump in the heating system. 1706568;1504123868;mircea_popescu;did anyone desing for this ? who, the water lizzards ? 1706569;1504123938;asciilifeform;also pretty sure that growth in reservoirs is a solved problem ( circulator + uv lamp ? ) 1706570;1504123946;mircea_popescu;psh. 1706571;1504123954;asciilifeform;cheaper than pumps. 1706572;1504123954;mircea_popescu;you have no idea what jungle means. you'll find out one day. 1706573;1504123969;mircea_popescu;not so. 1706574;1504123973;*;asciilifeform would liek to find out... 1706575;1504124005;mircea_popescu;for one thing, the pumps aren't going out, they'll be here no matter what. water dun climb 1k feet out of fellowship. 1706576;1504124056;asciilifeform;ain't it the rain capital of the planet there ? 1706577;1504124074;mircea_popescu;open air reservoir ? oh lordy. 1706578;1504124087;mircea_popescu;yes, it rains a lot. 1706579;1504124198;*;asciilifeform begins to grasp the hair-tearing depth of the problem 1706580;1504124218;asciilifeform;yea i have nfi how you could make a collector that dun get clogged with 10,001 species of ???. 1706581;1504124264;mircea_popescu;speaking of belady : it is actually UNBOUND 1706582;1504124272;asciilifeform;( but let's say you HAD to. i'd use something like the microporated stainless steel filter in my shop vac : 1uM pores. refrigerator coil inside. water -- condenses. when time to clean -- blow compressed air though... ) 1706583;1504124280;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: of course unbound 1706584;1504124294;mircea_popescu;you can construct reference strings for any failure count you wish. 1706585;1504124298;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't live with the situation because im lazy. 1706586;1504124306;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform intuitively it'd seem bound at 2x or something. 1706587;1504124328;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty nifty undergrad exercise. 1706588;1504124340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to illustrate the "10`001" species, did i ever recount the time my toilet was clogged... by an aligator ? 1706589;1504124352;asciilifeform;( to the credit of the profs at asciilifeform's spamschule -- we had it ) 1706590;1504124359;*;asciilifeform believes 1706591;1504124371;asciilifeform;iirc it is in the l0gz 1706592;1504124438;mircea_popescu;must be yea. i recall recounting it. 1706593;1504124551;mircea_popescu;one thing costa rica certainly is : the world capital of biodiversidad. 1706594;1504124560;mircea_popescu;and yes there's such a thing as uv-algae. 1706595;1504124676;ag3nt_zer0;nauseous lulz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuWZ06DmtCY 1706596;1504124710;mircea_popescu;http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/08/the-sex-pervert-as-anti-fascist/ << randos discovering national socialism still socialism, much like soviet socialism or "progressive" socialism. 1706597;1504125373;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706386 << no, that's it. "nobody asked you" and "go do something useful, wanker". 1706598;1504125373;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:25 kanzure: what is the specific complaint about a star shade other than narcissism? 1706599;1504125918;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706402 yes, but you also think openssh would be tested before using. was not. debian tested before using. was not. cisco routers tested ; not. pantsuited hilarity mail setup ; not. and so on. 1706600;1504125918;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:29 kanzure: eh, i think it would be tested before using it re: climate change. 1706601;1504125936;mircea_popescu;this is commonly known as the thousand eyes of flies found on meat left out to rot in the sun. ie, open source community. 1706602;1504126000;mircea_popescu;you're a bunch of idiots with nary a clue as to how anything works ; and what's worse, utterly unaware of this. "hurr durr what if we fed people through lungs" "oh noes, the food might explode". THAT is not the top of the list of problems. 1706603;1504126028;kanzure;i don't think lungs are currently compatible with that idea. is it beyond understanding that such a scheme would require different components? 1706604;1504126034;mircea_popescu;the fact that you don't know how to sort the list of problems DISQUALIFIES you from discussing the matter. and matters in general. children are to be seen not heard, is the idea, and yes you lot are mentally about 9yo. 1706605;1504126063;mircea_popescu;so no, you won't be given any tasks of responsibility. certainly no "spending of billions" and other nonsense ion terms of "% of world gdp" 1706606;1504126085;mircea_popescu;the MOST you might be trusted with would perhaps be something like a de-pdf-ing bot, which you don't want to do because you (wrongly) imagine it's beyond your level. 1706607;1504126090;mircea_popescu;it's in fact far above your level. 1706608;1504126096;mircea_popescu;and with that... you've kinda locked yourself out of life. 1706609;1504126121;mircea_popescu;s/beyond/below/ 1706610;1504126279;asciilifeform;bbbbut d00d is rich !!1 ( question invites itself : what idjit's fortune did he inherit ? or esr-rich ) bbbut d00d works on immortality pills of cosmic significance and reads 400 pdfs per week!1 while dump old asciilifeform spent 3 months proving that multiplier works 1706611;1504126291;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with reading. 1706612;1504126324;asciilifeform;is if it's all you do. or a camera lens would be a great mind. 1706613;1504126340;asciilifeform;where was that mircea_popescu story, with the sheep. 1706614;1504126350;asciilifeform;#!s rabinul si oaia 1706615;1504126357;asciilifeform;!#s rabinul si oaia 1706616;1504126358;a111;3 results for "rabinul si oaia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rabinul%20si%20oaia 1706617;1504126366;asciilifeform;theeere it is. 1706618;1504126436;mircea_popescu;iirc there';s even a n english version. 1706619;1504126438;mircea_popescu;not as good though. 1706620;1504126468;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/the-rabbi-and-the-ewe << found. 1706621;1504126503;mircea_popescu;aha\ 1706622;1504126527;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122814 << hilarious thread btw 1706623;1504126535;mircea_popescu;i dunno wtf that's all about. 1706624;1504126539;asciilifeform;betcha it's the ants from that anthill you prodded earlier 1706625;1504126545;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1706626;1504126553;asciilifeform;#californitards or where was it. 1706627;1504126564;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 1706628;1504126569;asciilifeform;dun matter. 1706629;1504126697;asciilifeform;'Kafka then finally suggested Samsa look up DARPA deep brain stimulation, Neuralink, and AlphaGo, and suggested to Samsa that shit got real when Google started offering "predictions". And Google doesn't matter to Kafka or Samsa, but one day, something descended from Google and DARPA's current state will. Because Kafka and Samsa's heads are fucking supercomputers.' << winner!1! 1706630;1504126811;mircea_popescu;the red thread being, that they JUST ARE. didn't jhave to do anything for it. 1706631;1504126823;mircea_popescu;idle female mentality today : SIT. 1706632;1504126841;mircea_popescu;they sat correctly in class, got degree. sat in office, got paid. sat on couch, got divorce settlement. 1706633;1504126857;mircea_popescu;girls are much better than boys, fatter ass, more inclined to sit. brave new sitworld. 1706634;1504126866;asciilifeform;the sad thing is, what we're seeing is ~correctly~ working learningmachine. 1706635;1504126872;asciilifeform;they sat -- it worked... 1706636;1504126886;mircea_popescu;not much of a learning machine. we're seeing a dog's mind. 1706637;1504126896;mircea_popescu;really bitch, you're pavlov im spot ? 1706638;1504126901;asciilifeform;well yes. stray dog works exactly like so 1706639;1504126914;mircea_popescu;yes but the claim is female humans are humans, not canides. 1706640;1504126928;asciilifeform;being human is a very part time thing for many. 1706641;1504126935;mircea_popescu;evidently. 1706642;1504126942;asciilifeform;rest of time - sow, dog, leech, take yer pick. 1706643;1504127015;mircea_popescu;anyway, to make a long story short, i'd be ashamed. "oh it worked". hurr. 1706644;1504127065;BingoBoingo;In other news, pickup truck flag index from http://qntra.net/2017/08/boston-free-speech-rally-quashed-by-pro-censorship-forces-pickup-truck-bed-flag-index-climbs/ is still climbing 1706645;1504127132;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fwiw i saw flag at beach in delaware, where never before in 6y did i see it. 1706646;1504127154;BingoBoingo;The gadsen flag? 1706647;1504127158;asciilifeform;on an ordinary 4door toyota no less 1706648;1504127167;asciilifeform;no, the confederate jack 1706649;1504127168;BingoBoingo;AHA 1706650;1504127170;asciilifeform;or whatever it's called 1706651;1504127181;BingoBoingo;General Lee's banner 1706652;1504127184;asciilifeform;it. 1706653;1504127293;BingoBoingo;Cool 1706654;1504127334;BingoBoingo;There's plenty more out there 1706655;1504128583;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706414 << actually republic works the other way. if you're spending tax money you're headed for the lime pits. 1706656;1504128583;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:32 kanzure: if you consider my existence to be overly taxing to you, perhaps you should drop dead 1706657;1504128585;BingoBoingo;From the newsmines: “I was like, ‘Wow, I own half a playground now,’” - City loses Park 1706658;1504128679;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/JGGGg 1706659;1504128686;mircea_popescu;jgg! 1706660;1504128804;BingoBoingo;You mean jgggG 1706661;1504128808;mircea_popescu;word. 1706662;1504129071;BingoBoingo;And in other returns https://dailystormer.al/ 1706663;1504129080;mircea_popescu;heh 1706664;1504129095;mircea_popescu;why not .nk srsly now. 1706665;1504129097;shinohai;Kudos to the `.al` tld 1706666;1504129102;mircea_popescu;albania is it 1706667;1504129128;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy tho, "overpriced metal rounds magazine moves to aluminum tld." 1706668;1504129142;mircea_popescu;"is it aluminum ~siding~?" 1706669;1504129213;*;mircea_popescu can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to. 1706670;1504129251;BingoBoingo;https://dailystormer.al/christopher-cantwell-has-been-arrested-and-faces-20-years-for-standing-up-to-antifa-scum/ 1706671;1504129278;mircea_popescu;which one was this one ? 1706672;1504129284;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, they're still at least three years behind the republic 1706673;1504129305;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Some dude who gave an interview apparently. Just learning of this. 1706674;1504129325;*;BingoBoingo shocked fake news hadn't been bragging about this one 1706675;1504129443;mircea_popescu;they tend to only brag about the meaningless/pointless/nonsense ones. 1706676;1504129581;BingoBoingo;AH, he pepper sprayed some antifags in self defense. Turned self in when protesters filed warrant for "of illegal use of gasses and injury by caustic agent or explosive" 1706677;1504129599;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha. wait, every dumb bitch with mace in her purse is facing 20 in jail ? 1706678;1504129637;mircea_popescu;lulzy democracy you got there. 1706679;1504129694;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedailybeast.com/protesters-got-christopher-cantwell-arrested-cops-didnt-even-try << And narrative is protesters filed warrant with court on their own 1706680;1504129734;BingoBoingo;Seems like this is set up for Poverty Law as new, private DOJ 1706681;1504129744;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1706682;1504129777;mircea_popescu;amusingly, soviets had this. 1706683;1504129783;BingoBoingo;AHA 1706684;1504129813;BingoBoingo;Well, antifa was sorta born as "let's be soviets, not nazis" club 1706685;1504129817;BingoBoingo;in German 1706686;1504129839;mircea_popescu;yeah, it5's pretty much the "brown shirts fucked our ass into such delicious gaping holes, can has again plox ?" 1706687;1504129861;mircea_popescu;faggots of today heard of all the fun weimar faggots had on top of nazi dicks, licking lips in antifipation. 1706688;1504129963;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706431 << around these parts it is sacrilege to talk about shit you don't understand as if you did. 1706689;1504129963;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:43 kanzure: also: around these parts, is it sacrilege to speak about technologies that aren't at the far end of nasa's readiness scale? that might explain a lot. 1706690;1504130025;mircea_popescu;it is also sacrilege to imagine nasa is relevant. there's no difference between random landscaper/jailbird injecting industial silicone into trannies behind a bar and the nist/ieee/etc as far as the republic is concerned : both are operating without a license and lying about it. 1706691;1504130035;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the easiest way to be unpopular in middle America is to be a protester. By keeping alt-right from protesting the antiflags are monopolizing the being protester hate 1706692;1504130053;mircea_popescu;nasa isn't even there. so no, nobody gives a shit what "nasa readiness" bla bla says anymore than what tardpedia wrote on any topic. 1706693;1504130084;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hey, i can honestly say i'm well entertained by the proceedings of us politics. 1706694;1504130140;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706438 << the problem isn't "the model". the problem is you. it's not that "the model" is "not mature", it's that you aren't qualified to be thinking about such things. 1706695;1504130140;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:46 kanzure: trinque: i think our disagreement is regarding the level of readiness or detail of a model. your requirement is one for models that are much more mature. i think it would be better if you insist on as much upfront in the future... i'll try to keep that in mind. 1706696;1504130169;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: This is a wonderful time to be alive, even if the magical internet money could be ignored 1706697;1504130170;mircea_popescu;and this is on the purely livresque level of "hey guise, i have a great idea for a work of fiction". 1706698;1504130198;mircea_popescu;this doesn't go into how unqualified "you" are to implement such a thing. and by you i mean collectively, every monolinguistic english speaker, pantsuit, jew, etcetera. 1706699;1504130243;mircea_popescu;the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything. 1706700;1504130256;mircea_popescu;which is, incidentally, WHY you've nothing to show for your past decade, or the one before that. 1706701;1504130479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706447 << pretty muchy. ceteris censeo usg esse delendam, ruat caelum. 1706702;1504130479;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:49 asciilifeform: i'd rather roast to death than live under amerireich. 1706703;1504130530;mircea_popescu;there may not be such a thing as the lincoln-roosevelt republic, and an end to life on earth is not sufficient cause to maintain it. 1706704;1504130568;shinohai;http://archive.is/DvFtx "there is no more risk of loss to our customers than to the customers of a snack machine." <<< maybe coke machine, however 1706705;1504130648;shinohai;Appears they are also moving their new "KeepKey" co out of the state as well. 1706706;1504130766;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706449 << see alfie ? see how the goal bs is the tool of the enemy and no more ? see how you shapeshift them to try and survive ? and yet you can't survive the noxious nature of "goals", try as you might. 1706707;1504130766;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:50 asciilifeform: my ultimate goal would be satisfied -- the demolition of californitardia and all it stood for. 1706708;1504130778;mircea_popescu;all it took was one day. 1706709;1504130860;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706458 <<< nah. just another alt. their real them is like koschei's soul, in a needle in an egg in a duck in a rabbit up their ass on an island in a sea that doesn't exist. 1706710;1504130860;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 18:58 trinque: their real-me is world-terraforming godman don't ya know? 1706711;1504130909;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706459 << you don't understand, they "undid" the etherape. so it never happened. and besides there's no proof there even was a rapist. and so... 1706712;1504130909;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 19:01 asciilifeform: it's just indescribably precious, 'i will move orbit of the earth', but can he produce so much as a thermostat that provably follows the claimed algo , rather than daotronic idiocy ? 1706713;1504130915;mircea_popescu;what, you can't undo fucked up orbits ?! AWW! 1706714;1504130961;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706463 << yes. manias are repetitive and thereby uninteresting. 1706715;1504130961;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 19:02 kanzure: do you have a specific problem with megalomania? or am i going to get a zen butt statement about balance in reply.. 1706716;1504131071;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706474 << same value as every other borderline finds in her "relationships". feels the void inside of you, where you know that you should've really gotten a lot further with what you had and why didn't you. 1706717;1504131071;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 19:28 kanzure: what value would it be to dominate a bunch of aimless folx? 1706718;1504131093;mircea_popescu;codependency, pantsuit-orc as a "happy" fambly. pretty obvious from the outside, at that. 1706719;1504131134;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706468 << hopefully they're not that fucking stupid. AND, unlike last time around, this time they have no fucking excuse. 1706720;1504131134;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 19:10 asciilifeform: the last generation of idiot-savants gave socialists the nuke. this one wants to give'em, what, death star. 1706721;1504131141;mircea_popescu;there was no tmsr in 1940. but there is one today. 1706722;1504131196;mircea_popescu;"oh i didn't know better". maybe, but you SHOULD have known better. 1706723;1504131306;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706493 << you know this happens ? human females will on occasion deliver litters. 3, 4, 5, 6 i think 7 is the record. 1706724;1504131306;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble << Congrats on your impending 5th 1706725;1504131338;mircea_popescu;(also, amusingly, twinning might well be african trait. certainly most prevalent in central africa) 1706726;1504131376;BingoBoingo;Well, the vulpes wife is demonstrated fertile, will probably keep having babies fo another decade and a half 1706727;1504131389;mircea_popescu;people eventually have enough an' stop. 1706728;1504131481;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, anyone saw the 45,X0 mutation ? neckless "female". 1706729;1504131604;mircea_popescu;!!up cashmoney 1706730;1504131604;deedbot;cashmoney voiced for 30 minutes. 1706731;1504131653;shinohai;Welcome cashmoney 1706732;1504131661;cashmoney;hi 1706733;1504131671;cashmoney;just heard about this going to do some reading 1706734;1504131679;mircea_popescu;enjoy 1706735;1504131746;BingoBoingo;cashmoney: Any hobbies? 1706736;1504131784;cashmoney;linux , tech stuff 1706737;1504131796;cashmoney;internet culture 1706738;1504131810;mircea_popescu;you sound just like this guy i know. 1706739;1504131842;ben_vulpes;I HAVE HAD ENOUGH ALREADY 1706740;1504131858;ben_vulpes;"how many babies do you want?" "ZERO" "how many does she want?" "INFINITY" 1706741;1504131863;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes she has a point tho, better do them all and be done with it. 1706742;1504131870;mircea_popescu;also, 2-3 kids better than 1. 1706743;1504131873;mircea_popescu;they keep each other busy. 1706744;1504131885;ben_vulpes;well yes, and actually joking aside my original point as well. 1706745;1504131936;ben_vulpes;"honey look total outlay on this is the integral of income fn for time under our roof, so let's have em fast and early while not making a whole lot of money" 1706746;1504131951;mircea_popescu;kek 1706747;1504131970;cashmoney;what else do you read 1706748;1504131974;cashmoney;what do u think of zero hedge 1706749;1504132001;mircea_popescu;sort-of like wikitropes : used to be good back when a few smart people did it. then it got famous, all the wasters looking for "brand" crowded it. 1706750;1504132007;mircea_popescu;too low snr to bother by now. 1706751;1504132016;mircea_popescu;= slashdot = take your pick. 1706752;1504132021;cashmoney;some of the comments are funny 1706753;1504132048;shinohai;cashmoney: Since you list `linux` as a hobby, have you tried http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html yet? 1706754;1504132056;mircea_popescu;depends how easily entertained you are. me, i find tiny gekkos on the wall funny. i'm easy like that. 1706755;1504132082;cashmoney;shinohai ill bookmark it 1706756;1504132083;shinohai;^_____________^ @ gekkos 1706757;1504132097;cashmoney;this is one of these fringe little rooms that nobody knows about 1706758;1504132107;cashmoney;fuck now im probably on a list for coming in here lol 1706759;1504132116;mircea_popescu;mats re our ancient "annoying yelping japanese women", rando trilema commenter produced a "jewish cuckoldress" example : https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1117243257 1706760;1504132125;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do they do that shrill bs it's annoying. 1706761;1504132148;mircea_popescu;cashmoney dun worry about it, everyone knows, nobody admits. 1706762;1504132161;cashmoney;weev are u in here 1706763;1504132167;cashmoney;lol 1706764;1504132169;BingoBoingo; fuck now im probably on a list for coming in here lol << There's only one winning move now that you are on the list... 1706765;1504132169;mircea_popescu;was at some point iirc. 1706766;1504132186;mircea_popescu;was that the guy with the short selling fund thing ? 1706767;1504132187;BingoBoingo;cashmoney: Weev kinda chikkkened outta here 1706768;1504132196;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, Troll LLC 1706769;1504132201;mircea_popescu;right. 1706770;1504132210;mircea_popescu;check it out my memory got like one hit in 10 fails. 1706771;1504132214;cashmoney;what do u think about the Great Shuttering 1706772;1504132220;mircea_popescu;the who now ? 1706773;1504132223;cashmoney;Big Tech shutting down websites 1706774;1504132239;BingoBoingo;cashmoney: We have our own internet 1706775;1504132241;cashmoney;right wing sites getting hit, something weird is even going on with The Rebel 1706776;1504132245;mircea_popescu;you mean krebs going offline ? 1706777;1504132252;mircea_popescu;oh. 1706778;1504132265;cashmoney;its because of Charlottesville 1706779;1504132274;mircea_popescu;btw, did anyone actually buy gigaom after he quit or what happened ? i didn;'t follow the lulz. 1706780;1504132415;ben_vulpes;cashmoney: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-30#193800 1706781;1504132415;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-30 21:36 mircea_popescu: ACTION can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to. 1706782;1504132424;ben_vulpes;oh cool there's a bug 1706783;1504132428;mircea_popescu;lol 1706784;1504132503;mats;white people love black dongs 1706785;1504132546;mats;video evidence 1706786;1504132555;mircea_popescu;proof! 1706787;1504132653;mats;just look at all of the related videos 1706788;1504132741;cashmoney;whatever happened to the MtGox guy 1706789;1504132745;cashmoney;is he in prison or what 1706790;1504132752;mircea_popescu;he's in the usg asset list. 1706791;1504133085;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706662 << btw doesn't even resolve from ru, archive.is likewise is just blackholed (as opposed to periodic "blocked by ru authorities" page) 1706792;1504133085;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 21:37 BingoBoingo: And in other returns https://dailystormer.al/ 1706793;1504133127;asciilifeform;phf: massive unsurprise ? 1706794;1504133141;phf;incidentally btcbase log loads from moscow, which i consider a personal affront 1706795;1504133141;asciilifeform;obvious-proxy-is-obvious 1706796;1504133147;asciilifeform;lol 1706797;1504133188;asciilifeform;phf: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623624 1706798;1504133188;a111;Logged on 2017-03-09 02:15 asciilifeform: re other 'sad people', asciilifeform's pet is fond of remarking 'if your work did >0, why you not yet been gassed' 1706799;1504133330;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706670 << it dun load here, btw 1706800;1504133330;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 21:40 BingoBoingo: https://dailystormer.al/christopher-cantwell-has-been-arrested-and-faces-20-years-for-standing-up-to-antifa-scum/ 1706801;1504133341;asciilifeform;tcp'd to death, looks like. 1706802;1504133362;asciilifeform;( which IS what it oughta be called, imho ) 1706803;1504133381;cashmoney;20 years for what? 1706804;1504133398;cashmoney;what did he do exactly besides ranting 1706805;1504133419;asciilifeform;!!up cashmoney 1706806;1504133420;deedbot;cashmoney voiced for 30 minutes. 1706807;1504133535;mats;its an opportunity for cantwell to really get to know the movement 1706808;1504133559;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706706 << i dun need to shift'em, they are electron probability cloud. the measurement only happens in response to the question!11 1706809;1504133559;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 22:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706449 << see alfie ? see how the goal bs is the tool of the enemy and no more ? see how you shapeshift them to try and survive ? and yet you can't survive the noxious nature of "goals", try as you might. 1706810;1504133636;mats;when he's inside he'll finally get a chance to kill some people like he talks about on camera 1706811;1504133643;mats;and smuggle dope with his butt 1706812;1504133686;asciilifeform;what did weev smuggle? 1706813;1504133693;asciilifeform;(and in what..) 1706814;1504133764;mats;who knows, but he seems to have joined the idiot brigade since he got out 1706815;1504133904;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706780 << i need to add you to xref 1706816;1504133904;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 22:33 ben_vulpes: cashmoney: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-30#193800 1706817;1504133904;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-30 21:36 mircea_popescu: ACTION can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to. 1706818;1504133948;ben_vulpes;phf: would be highly neat 1706819;1504134061;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706669 << i'm slightly surprised this was not yet Officially banned in 'mainstream' gui wwwtrons 'for the common good of HerDemoocracy' yet 1706820;1504134061;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 21:40 mircea_popescu can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to. 1706821;1504134095;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1706822;1504134097;asciilifeform;only a terrorist would lynx http://terrorist.ip.goes.here 1706823;1504134109;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4579.84, vol: 8978.45194292 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4572.0, vol: 17208.61348409 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4499.484968, vol: 14394.40640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4577.44, vol: 4035.19890569 | Volume-weighted last average: 4550.67460122 1706824;1504135149;mats;"The day Gorbachev said to the masses in Moscow: do not be afraid of the KGB, I took a death breath. This man is a real genius, I said... He is sitting on top of a terror machine that holds the damn pile together, and he says: do not be afraid. He must have a tremendous formula to democratize. Until I met him, and I found him completely bewildered by what was happening around him. He had jumped into the deep end of the 1706825;1504135149;mats;pool without learning how to swim." from an interview with Lee Kuan Yew 1706826;1504135156;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes is log down ? 1706827;1504135166;mircea_popescu;o nm resolution issue. 1706828;1504135200;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706794 << lulzy. 1706829;1504135200;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 22:45 phf: incidentally btcbase log loads from moscow, which i consider a personal affront 1706830;1504135271;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706799 << or anywhere else. it's purely dead. 1706831;1504135271;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 22:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706670 << it dun load here, btw 1706832;1504135327;mircea_popescu;turkey, paris etc poisoning the cache as 1.1.1.1 ; otherwise the ip is supposed to be 198.251.90.113 1706833;1504135370;ben_vulpes;what is this bitmitigate thing 1706834;1504135377;mircea_popescu;the host. 1706835;1504135389;mircea_popescu;looks like they got a vpn for the lulz. 1706836;1504135394;asciilifeform;returns barf 1706837;1504135431;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if dig dailystormer.al returns 1.1.1.1 for you, your cache's been poisoned by teh tards over at eu nic 1706838;1504135443;mats;he also reiterates a sense of usg enduring through its current debt and deficits, and i struggle to understand how he, a great builder, can believe that fiscal irresponsibility will be rewarded in the future 1706839;1504135506;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WGSbc/?raw=true foir the curious. 1706840;1504135511;mircea_popescu;not really worth teh trouble, but w/e. 1706841;1504135617;mircea_popescu;anyway. there's a trilema about why rando doesn't talk to the press. this rando should have read it. 1706842;1504135717;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706807 << which movement is this ? 1706843;1504135717;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 22:52 mats: its an opportunity for cantwell to really get to know the movement 1706844;1504135730;mircea_popescu;so many movements consisting of various selections of seated dorks... 1706845;1504135748;mats;white nationalists / AB 1706846;1504135786;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706819 << it sorta is, "security" whining about certs. then again, you have to be a special sort of retard to try and run dailystormer as a) a domain name and b) https. 1706847;1504135786;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 23:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706669 << i'm slightly surprised this was not yet Officially banned in 'mainstream' gui wwwtrons 'for the common good of HerDemoocracy' yet 1706848;1504135795;mircea_popescu;but then again, as mats points out : they are a very special sort of retard. 1706849;1504135807;mircea_popescu;!~ud AB 1706850;1504135808;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: AB :: "Aryan Brotherhood" A known prison gang consisting of neo-nazis or skinheads. [ex:] Look at my new "AB" tattoo. I got it in prison after joining the Aryan Brotherhood. [/ex] | Ass-backwards, behind the times, not modern [ex:] Man this state is AB! I can't even find a 7-11. [/ex] | Acronym for Adult Baby... see [infantilism], [adult baby] [ex:] "Hey dude, why are you wearing a (13 more messages) 1706851;1504135811;mircea_popescu;o hey 1706852;1504135846;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706837 >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UPyvf/?raw=true 1706853;1504135846;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 23:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if dig dailystormer.al returns 1.1.1.1 for you, your cache's been poisoned by teh tards over at eu nic 1706854;1504135846;asciilifeform;^ which all by itself, is interesting... a null ? 1706855;1504135872;mircea_popescu;your dns is even shittier than previously thought. 1706856;1504135910;mircea_popescu;why are you asking 8.8.8.8 ANYTHING ? 1706857;1504135938;asciilifeform;because i'm hanging off a wardrived shithole prolly 1706858;1504135948;asciilifeform;at any rate, worx via dulap. 1706859;1504135966;mircea_popescu;how about use a better resolving scheme if you're the special sort of ... ahem that uses dns in the first place. 1706860;1504135976;asciilifeform;thread was about dns, wasnnit. 1706861;1504135979;mircea_popescu;like you know, the way you do your node infrastructure, triangulation etc. 1706862;1504135991;asciilifeform;specifically monkeystani dns 1706863;1504135992;mircea_popescu;eys but nobody obliges you to just eat google turds re the namechain. 1706864;1504136010;mircea_popescu;can at the very least have a diverse herd of liars. 1706865;1504136026;asciilifeform;deliberately did not bother for this example 1706866;1504136037;mircea_popescu;aite then. 1706867;1504136049;asciilifeform;but yes it worx ( for nao ) via the eurasian and eastasian incacitadels 1706868;1504136053;asciilifeform;only oceania hiccups. 1706869;1504136061;mircea_popescu;anyway. google thinks it's a-ok for them to null name adverts. 1706870;1504136064;mircea_popescu;hurr durr. 1706871;1504136188;asciilifeform;just like it's a-ok to solarshade uppity terrorists aha 1706872;1504136218;asciilifeform;noncompliance with regulation for ethical treatment of tulpas, dontchaknow 1706873;1504136231;asciilifeform;and misgendering of mealsquares. 1706874;1504136249;asciilifeform;and who knows what other treasons. 1706875;1504136279;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706838 << intellectual laziness. it'd be easier if the item that organised his mental life as a youth didn't go to hell in a handbasket during his life. 1706876;1504136279;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 23:24 mats: he also reiterates a sense of usg enduring through its current debt and deficits, and i struggle to understand how he, a great builder, can believe that fiscal irresponsibility will be rewarded in the future 1706877;1504136291;mircea_popescu;cuz that way he wouldn't have a boatload of deeply baked in shit to reconsider. 1706878;1504136328;mircea_popescu;also, i thought the guy was dead. did he return ? 1706879;1504136353;asciilifeform;still dead afaik 1706880;1504136367;mircea_popescu;mats was quoting him as if alive, or i got confused. 1706881;1504136448;mircea_popescu;anyway. it seems rather obvious that after the decapitation of new york "financial" brains, the decapitation of california "tech" brains is coming up. 1706882;1504136460;mircea_popescu;even odds "bay area" goes to the bottom of the sea before the decade's out. 1706883;1504136578;asciilifeform;is exactly where it belongs. with 100% of crew. 1706884;1504136714;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695538 "the pogoplug experiment had nothing to do with scaling" << also it worked fine on my pogo. the only issue was i was doing it on some systemd monstrocity of a linux. There's no reason it wouldn't also work on a cuntoo-pogo as well 1706885;1504136714;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 00:05 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz for alf, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1959633.msg19501495#msg19501495 1706886;1504136727;asciilifeform;lolwat 1706887;1504136730;*;asciilifeform reads.. 1706888;1504136749;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: which it 1706889;1504136759;danielpbarron;trb 1706890;1504136774;asciilifeform;how long your longest run of trb on pogo, danielpbarron ? 1706891;1504136789;asciilifeform;( with 0 ooms or otherwise reset of process ) 1706892;1504136794;danielpbarron;several months i think 1706893;1504136811;asciilifeform;didja give it massive swap or wat 1706894;1504136830;asciilifeform;because even in whole 1G i never saw trb live for >week 1706895;1504136835;asciilifeform;much less 256M 1706896;1504136849;danielpbarron;oh idk, i probably reset it a few times in the process but i do that even on my 32 gig RAM box 1706897;1504136854;asciilifeform;aaaaaah lol 1706898;1504136864;danielpbarron;ah, yeah i gave it swap 1706899;1504136875;asciilifeform;that burns ssd like scarcely anything else 1706900;1504136898;asciilifeform;if you're ready to swap them biyearly -- i suppose it's an answer, of sorts. 1706901;1504136948;danielpbarron;well it also has usb3, can put a thing in there just for swap to save the main hd 1706902;1504136966;asciilifeform;slooow 1706903;1504136993;danielpbarron;can get up-to-date on big box and copy to pogo 1706904;1504137005;asciilifeform;and if it falls behind ? 1706905;1504137023;danielpbarron;my big box is perpetually 100 blox behind 1706906;1504137052;asciilifeform;there's an inflection point, where slow box behind by some B blox, can never catch up 1706907;1504137057;asciilifeform;work it out for yours. 1706908;1504137081;asciilifeform;i had a box like this, 'incitatus' (see l0gz), threw it out 1706909;1504137086;asciilifeform;because worse-than-useless 1706910;1504137134;asciilifeform;a trb node that's perpetually months (or yearz) behind topheight, mainly sits around rejecting tx all day long 1706911;1504137273;mircea_popescu;yeah the 100 blocks thing is no good. 1706912;1504137348;mod6;evenin 1706913;1504137365;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1706914;1504137408;mod6;how goes today? 1706915;1504137496;asciilifeform;mod6: variously 1706916;1504137507;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706896 << ftr current zoolag runs in 2GB of physical 1706917;1504137507;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 23:47 danielpbarron: oh idk, i probably reset it a few times in the process but i do that even on my 32 gig RAM box 1706918;1504137515;mod6;asciilifeform: werd 1706919;1504137747;mod6;went back to that .ua place kramarczuk's for lunch. had another ruban, got more sausages from the deli. couldn't resist. 1706920;1504137761;asciilifeform;neato 1706921;1504137766;mod6;had some chocolate royale cake. 1706922;1504137808;mod6;yeah, pretty outstanding. 1706923;1504137927;mircea_popescu;http://btcinfo.sdf.org/irc/ << o hai shinohai 1706924;1504137950;shinohai;Hai mircea_popescu :D 1706925;1504138068;shinohai;Iused to have a kiwi irc there too, but prefer gb 1706926;1504138104;mod6;hai shinohai 1706927;1504138112;shinohai;o7 mod6 1706928;1504138151;mod6;how you doin? 1706929;1504138195;shinohai;Not too bad here, watching it rain and reading logz, you? 1706930;1504138221;mod6;same. just trying to catch up on todays stuff. working on eom stuff. 1706931;1504138238;shinohai;Ah yes, time for the soba 1706932;1504138268;mod6;Speaking of which, if any Republicans have any changes to their advertised node, now is the time to let me know. Thanks! 1706933;1504138287;asciilifeform;mod6: mine still exactly where they were last month 1706934;1504138300;mod6;tyvm alf 1706935;1504138316;asciilifeform;( zoolag still syncing , however. slowly walking through the upper 300s atm ) 1706936;1504138330;mod6;yeah, im doin like 400 blocks per day... 1706937;1504138337;mod6;"blocks" : 463407, 1706938;1504138366;trinque;deedbot's as listed, til I sign otherwise 1706939;1504138369;mod6;this is not ideal hardware though, so I should add that. 1706940;1504138385;asciilifeform;i dun have any 'idea' hardwares 1706941;1504138387;asciilifeform;*ideal 1706942;1504138393;mod6;do you have ssd? 1706943;1504138403;asciilifeform;in zoolag yes 1706944;1504138408;mod6;trinque: thx! how goes down there? 1706945;1504138420;mod6;asciilifeform: then that's more ideal than what I'm workin with for sure. 1706946;1504138464;trinque;just fine; took a drive around and really not much "inner loop" damage, cept for shitty buildings and etc. 1706947;1504138480;trinque;we dump our water on the surrounding areas! 1706948;1504138488;shinohai; "blocks" : 418025, 1706949;1504138489;mod6;ah, werd. but you didn't need to "urban kayak" your way out the door or down the street? 1706950;1504138490;shinohai; "connections" : 5, 1706951;1504138500;*;shinohai is working on some upgrades 1706952;1504138545;trinque;mod6: not once 1706953;1504138599;mod6;that's good. 1706954;1504140054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: briefly revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706495 : i'm beginning to wonder if it was simply because of WHO asked. i can't really blame $chix for not relishing the prospect of kanzure et al riding her l337 w4r4z to stolen relevancy esr-style 1706955;1504140054;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 19:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706321 << so how is this any kind of fucking improvement. 1706956;1504140118;kanzure;well if it's true that i was the origin of her doxx (which is totally possible, i fucked up), that might color her deicsion, although her continuing to talk with me anyway doesn't add hope to that being right 1706957;1504140147;asciilifeform;why would a ru chix give a shit re 'dox' 1706958;1504140154;asciilifeform;she ain't a shitreich subject 1706959;1504140167;kanzure;well i think she was attempting to be anonymous she was just bad at it, back in 2013 and pre-2013 1706960;1504140225;kanzure;one of the problems is that there's not any high-quality seeders for any of the torrents. 1706961;1504140245;asciilifeform;i thought there wasn't a torrent...? 1706962;1504140248;kanzure;few kilobytes/sec when i looked a ~year ago 1706963;1504140259;kanzure;well there's some stuff from libgen that is allegedly a backup or mirror if scihub 1706964;1504140267;kanzure;but it's not downloadable in any reasonable human timeframe 1706965;1504140286;kanzure;http://libgen.io/scimag/repository_torrent_notforall/ 1706966;1504140307;kanzure;http://libgen.io/scimag/repository_torrent/ 1706967;1504140335;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced there is anything valuable in there. 1706968;1504140352;kanzure;it's about ~50 TB total of a large chunk of all papers 1706969;1504140361;asciilifeform;( the comp sci papers that actually mattered, plus a handful of 1990s bernsteins, are already on my hdd... ) 1706970;1504140374;asciilifeform;mattered -- 1980s & prior. 1706971;1504140397;kanzure;reportedly 97% coverage of entire elsevier collection 1706972;1504140459;asciilifeform;and if these vaporized tonight, what do we lose ? buncha publishorperish LPU liquishit, where authors concealed ~all raw data, played hanky with pvalues, all the usual nonsense 1706973;1504140467;asciilifeform;i was in this racket, got out. 0 regrets. 1706974;1504140488;kanzure;you have something against libraries....? i mean other than all the librarians being spineless. 1706975;1504140501;asciilifeform;libraries were spiffy back when filled with actual work, by actual people 1706976;1504140545;asciilifeform;but somehow not obvious that dropping snr by churning out liquishit is every bit as destructive as burning library ? 1706977;1504140649;asciilifeform;( far more so... a burned library, could be restored conceivably from copies. a liquishitted library, field, whole of academia -- try and fix ! ) 1706978;1504140859;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1706979;1504145142;trinque;BingoBoingo: I continue to read into the history of the Houston Bayous; this will likely end up a blog post rather than quick news. 1706980;1504145189;trinque;for example, I learn that a certain George HW Bush as state congressman worked against the straightening and lining with concrete of buffalo bayou! 1706981;1504145478;BingoBoingo;trinque: cool 1706982;1504145936;trinque;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1706983;1504145937;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1706984;1504145949;trinque;what's new in the life of g_l? 1706985;1504145973;gabriel_laddel_p;almost died. just spent 30 days in the hospital. 1706986;1504145979;trinque;what'd ya do? 1706987;1504146006;gabriel_laddel_p;fell 2-3 stories directly onto my legs. shattered one. 1706988;1504146021;*;trinque sits back for the story 1706989;1504146027;gabriel_laddel_p;me goes "fuck you", stays up, codes for 2-3 days anyways. 1706990;1504146055;gabriel_laddel_p;eventually forced into hospital 1706991;1504146060;gabriel_laddel_p;(others) 1706992;1504146081;mod6;wat 1706993;1504146082;trinque;what substance was involved in this genius decision, to code while leg shattered? 1706994;1504146119;gabriel_laddel_p;I'm german and don't stop for anyone. 1706995;1504146125;gabriel_laddel_p;gene 1706996;1504146138;gabriel_laddel_p;that aside, just masamune bs. 1706997;1504146160;gabriel_laddel_p;theoretically, aside from the place I'm at now I have a room paid for without me doing anything. 1706998;1504146185;gabriel_laddel_p;but am lazy and have a lispm in front of me (more or less) and want to nail this damn thing. 1706999;1504146219;gabriel_laddel_p;there is supposed to be a lisp conference in sf in like 10 months I have to prepare for 1707000;1504146292;gabriel_laddel_p;would like to selll 100x machines there. 1707001;1504146313;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: how did it come about... misadventure with parachute? 1707002;1504146316;trinque;forgive me if I disbelieve the part where you shattered your leg then went "meh, time to code" 1707003;1504146351;trinque;also wtf, if you're going to tell a story start at the beginning 1707004;1504146383;mod6;how did you "fall" ? 1707005;1504146386;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I got preoccupied with girl on train, ended up heading to Berkley rather than Palo Alto by complete accident. oh no, 10:30!. Everything closed & I've been banned from all 1707006;1504146401;gabriel_laddel_p;communities in sf / Berkley area 1707007;1504146436;gabriel_laddel_p;me: "fuck you, I'm going to climb a building & code atop it till sun comes up". 1707008;1504146443;trinque;ahaha 1707009;1504146484;gabriel_laddel_p;this is already day 2 or 3 no sleep. little food. totally ran out of energy 1707010;1504146539;asciilifeform;i had nfi it were possible to be 'banned from berkeley' - what is this, 1500s germany? 1707011;1504146541;gabriel_laddel_p;(managed to climb anyways after accident). went back home after working for a few more days & scared the shit out of strangers / locals who've seen me via inability to walk 1707012;1504146553;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: nonono, like all the houses of people I know in the area 1707013;1504146562;gabriel_laddel_p;I've been banned from everything 1707014;1504146567;gabriel_laddel_p;everywhere 1707015;1504146580;gabriel_laddel_p;the "sf startup crowd" hates my guts. 1707016;1504146602;asciilifeform;how'd that come about ? 1707017;1504146617;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p threw a pie in thiel's face? 1707018;1504146626;gabriel_laddel_p;I'm sane and they're unilaterally morons. I'm not coy about it. 1707019;1504146656;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: actually, someone who works next to thiel day in day out got demo'd masamune. didn't get it. 1707020;1504146674;gabriel_laddel_p;"how does CLIM solve the problems of layout engines?" 1707021;1504146707;gabriel_laddel_p;me: "listen, that you even think a 'layout engine' is a thing means you have no future, period. conversation is over, stop wasting my time" 1707022;1504146725;trinque;look man you don't go around hitting people with the dick you imagine you'll have someday 1707023;1504146742;trinque;or rather, you do, and it's hilarious. keep it up. 1707024;1504146814;gabriel_laddel_p;fwiw, the conversation went of the rails before that. guy is actually a moron who by complete luck was involved with google earth. 1707025;1504146837;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: have you considered switching geographies ? 1707026;1504146857;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I have a criminal record. prolly gotta make 20 MM or so first. 1707027;1504146875;asciilifeform;how about outside of reich ? 1707028;1504146895;asciilifeform;i dun think belarus gives a damn re your unpaid traffic fines etc 1707029;1504146898;gabriel_laddel_p;easier to just make a bunch of money, pay off whatever. 1707030;1504146910;gabriel_laddel_p;(lawyers, courts, passports) 1707031;1504146920;gabriel_laddel_p;as if I' 1707032;1504146936;asciilifeform;did usg actually impound yer passport, gabriel_laddel_p ? 1707033;1504146943;gabriel_laddel_p;never had one. 1707034;1504146947;gabriel_laddel_p;I 1707035;1504146960;gabriel_laddel_p;ve only lived two places. birthplace & CA. 1707036;1504146964;asciilifeform;that'd be a problem. 1707037;1504146983;asciilifeform;didntcha say sumthing about germany tho 1707038;1504147005;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: you realize I don't like... pay bills, rent, whatever, right? 1707039;1504147014;asciilifeform;in this case it's a plus 1707040;1504147019;gabriel_laddel_p;like what the fuck even is paperwork 1707041;1504147022;asciilifeform;can move anywhere 1707042;1504147032;asciilifeform;can't get broker than broke, neh 1707043;1504147056;gabriel_laddel_p;I want my goddamn lispm as of two decades ago please. 1707044;1504147063;gabriel_laddel_p;(aged 5) 1707045;1504147082;gabriel_laddel_p;why am /I/ doing this? 1707046;1504147112;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: speaking of this, while you had your misadventure, various things happened re march to lispm, e.g., 1707047;1504147119;asciilifeform;!#s ice40 1707048;1504147119;a111;28 results for "ice40", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ice40 1707049;1504147141;asciilifeform;phf is in ru electron micrographing an 'ivory' 1707050;1504147151;gabriel_laddel_p;!? 1707051;1504147157;asciilifeform;aha. 1707052;1504147171;gabriel_laddel_p;these logs will make some fun reading. 1707053;1504147352;kanzure;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-16#954453 << false. 1707054;1504147352;a111;Logged on 2014-12-16 04:00 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well it is one of those BTC futures without any BTC delivery deals 1707055;1504147365;mircea_popescu;oh ? 1707056;1504147376;kanzure;full-collateralization only 1707057;1504147384;mircea_popescu;but do you deliver ? 1707058;1504147389;kanzure;i implemented that yes 1707059;1504147404;mircea_popescu;not quite the same thing. 1707060;1504147545;asciilifeform;promisetronium! Just As Good As btc!1!!! (Only A Terrorist would dispute!) 1707061;1504147573;mircea_popescu;shinohai: "connections" : 5, << i think that's how many of the trb list are actually up atm 1707062;1504147620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform conceivably he's also not in a position to make decisions. recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704499 1707063;1504147620;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 00:26 kanzure: oh yeah, i'm not. ok. 1707064;1504147654;asciilifeform;'oh i was in the ss but made no gassing decisions' 1707065;1504147727;asciilifeform;aaand unlike ss, shitcoinola usg.ops dun conscript nobody. 1707066;1504147744;asciilifeform;involvement is strictly voluntary. 1707067;1504147770;asciilifeform;d00d ain't doing it to make the rent, either. 1707068;1504147791;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can see why his working for fiat lulzfest attempting to fight battle usg lost back in 2014 may not earn him any brownie points with you or trinque or anyone else 1707069;1504147814;mircea_popescu;nevertheless i'm not about to declare working for the shitpiles verboten. especially if the dood is smart enoughj to take his payment in cash. 1707070;1504147822;mircea_popescu;someone's gotta bleed the mits. 1707071;1504147902;asciilifeform;maybe he bleeds it, maybe serves it well and with gusto. asciilifeform does not presently know. 1707072;1504147911;mircea_popescu;coincidentally, i was watching underground. saw it ? 1707073;1504147917;asciilifeform;nein 1707074;1504147934;mircea_popescu;a, may be worth trying. kusturica film, group of ww2 partisans spend all of tito's reign in a cellar. 1707075;1504147940;mircea_popescu;thinking air raids still going on and so forth. 1707076;1504147949;asciilifeform;ooh hey sounds delish 1707077;1504147955;*;asciilifeform puts on list 1707078;1504147956;mircea_popescu;this ledgerx thing, very much reminiscent of crny's hand-made rifles. 1707079;1504147968;mircea_popescu;"tito said he wants you for the last battle!" 1707080;1504148028;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean the battle of the bulge was done by 1945 ?! we will fight it next year! 1967!" 1707081;1504148042;asciilifeform;see also lt. onoda... 1707082;1504148055;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1707083;1504148205;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/z7Ewt 1707084;1504148219;BingoBoingo; this is already day 2 or 3 no sleep. little food. totally ran out of energy << cocaine or which-amphetamine 1707085;1504148290;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check them out, doods think they're central ? 1707086;1504148319;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706954 << not like she fucking wrote it. 1707087;1504148319;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 00:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: briefly revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706495 : i'm beginning to wonder if it was simply because of WHO asked. i can't really blame $chix for not relishing the prospect of kanzure et al riding her l337 w4r4z to stolen relevancy esr-style 1707088;1504148341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who did ? 1707089;1504148343;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, for a couple hours they were as far as anglophone alt-right was... Until we made great great again 1707090;1504148360;mircea_popescu;whoever is denoted by $chix 1707091;1504148385;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706960 << nobody outside of tmsr has any servers do they. 1707092;1504148385;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 00:43 kanzure: one of the problems is that there's not any high-quality seeders for any of the torrents. 1707093;1504148405;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: alexandra of ru . wrote, as i understand, the snarfer and wareztron. 1707094;1504148406;mircea_popescu;srsly, dailystormer dorks running out of a vps, for all the "omg ddos" pretense... 1707095;1504148424;mircea_popescu;wasn't it tashkent or something ? bishkek ? 1707096;1504148468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect this is exactly the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667701 item. 1707097;1504148468;a111;Logged on 2017-06-09 15:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667584 << it is not, and ain't going to be, i'm not especially interested in helping folx to 'embrace and extinguish' it. as far as i'm concerned, 100% of the output is verifiable with the bignum calculator of your choice (e.g. 'bc') and it is no concern of anybody's how it was obtained. 1707098;1504148478;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706962 << back when i dumped the cables, i just put them on trilema. very downloadable by everyone. that's the correct approach. 1707099;1504148478;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 00:44 kanzure: few kilobytes/sec when i looked a ~year ago 1707100;1504148506;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought the issue was access to said data, not how it was obtained. 1707101;1504148542;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it ain't a static blob of warez, there is l as i understand, a snarfer , proxytron, etc 1707102;1504148553;asciilifeform;grabs it from the derps in real time 1707103;1504148591;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706974 << http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ ie, yes, have something against "science" as practiced by 20 and 30 something english speaking payola powered retards. which yes, is ~all the whatever collection. 1707104;1504148591;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 00:48 kanzure: you have something against libraries....? i mean other than all the librarians being spineless. 1707105;1504148592;asciilifeform;it's moar of a phuctor than a usgdos cableleax. 1707106;1504148603;mircea_popescu;then how could it be a torrent. 1707107;1504148619;asciilifeform;kanzure et al made snapshots of some. 1707108;1504148627;mircea_popescu;i suppose could be in volumes yeah. 1707109;1504148638;mircea_popescu;o btw, anyone ever dug through that large sr collection ? i recall some people dlding it at some point. 1707110;1504148642;mircea_popescu;keys extracted ? anything ? 1707111;1504148655;mircea_popescu;about 100x more interesting i suspect. not that this means it's all that interesting. 1707112;1504148655;asciilifeform;Framedragger iirc began. 1707113;1504148669;mircea_popescu;o ya what happened to teh latvian. 1707114;1504148669;asciilifeform;lessee when he comes back from europistan 1707115;1504148681;asciilifeform;( he warned of an extended voyage ) 1707116;1504148692;mircea_popescu;tru. 1707117;1504148708;mircea_popescu;maybe he comes back with trins, gives ben_vulpes a run for the crown. 1707118;1504148779;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706980 << should be an interesting read when done. 1707119;1504148779;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 02:06 trinque: for example, I learn that a certain George HW Bush as state congressman worked against the straightening and lining with concrete of buffalo bayou! 1707120;1504148803;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706993 << naggumol. want some ? 1707121;1504148803;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 02:21 trinque: what substance was involved in this genius decision, to code while leg shattered? 1707122;1504148876;asciilifeform;young fellas want to kamikaze, die with honour for the emperor's cherry blossoms, wat. 1707123;1504148903;asciilifeform; not available? will fall off roof with comp... 1707124;1504148908;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1707125;1504148909;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1707126;1504148912;trinque;asciilifeform: so why didn't he come work for you then? 1707127;1504148926;trinque;for free. 1707128;1504148937;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707007 <<->> http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-nine/#selection-1445.1644-1445.1855 ?! 1707129;1504148937;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 02:27 gabriel_laddel_p: me: "fuck you, I'm going to climb a building & code atop it till sun comes up". 1707130;1504148940;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: not even slightly. personally, the whole "almost died" thing is from the doctors. 1707131;1504148977;gabriel_laddel_p;err... the whole "almost died" thing is from the the doctors. they said this, I should have not just repeated it in logs. 1707132;1504148989;gabriel_laddel_p;imho I would have been fine after a week of sleep 1707133;1504149008;mircea_popescu;the black knight always triumphs! 1707134;1504149014;gabriel_laddel_p;(with, admittedly a broken leg that would take some time to heal, just like now) 1707135;1504149025;mircea_popescu;fractures have to be set, yo. 1707136;1504149030;gabriel_laddel_p;do they? 1707137;1504149033;gabriel_laddel_p;idk. 1707138;1504149039;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: folx who dun sleep, die like aids patients 1707139;1504149044;mircea_popescu;yes. there's no cranes delivered with the muscle/bone arrangement to auto-set failures. 1707140;1504149075;mircea_popescu;i wonder if they still do the whole fracture setting class for soldiers these days. prolly not. 1707141;1504149088;gabriel_laddel_p;I know nothing about medicine & defer to my betters. 1707142;1504149106;asciilifeform;paging mats 1707143;1504149116;mircea_popescu;yes well, next time you break anything see a doctor within the hour. 1707144;1504149122;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: anyways, no intent to die for anyone. however also no intent to waste even a minute more of my life on stupid nonsense, ever. 1707145;1504149138;mircea_popescu;eating is not stupid nonsense. 1707146;1504149144;asciilifeform;hey mats did usg schutzstaffel corps teachya to set legs ? 1707147;1504149179;mircea_popescu;schutzfallafel. 1707148;1504149191;asciilifeform;wunderwaffle. 1707149;1504149203;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: agreed. I love eating, but my finances go from 0 to 1k back to 0... regularly 1707150;1504149225;mircea_popescu;at your age that's traditional. 1707151;1504149243;gabriel_laddel_p;& having been banned from the number of social circles etc etc I end up in strange positions all the time. 1707152;1504149255;mircea_popescu;howdja get banned ? 1707153;1504149329;gabriel_laddel_p;"what we are doing today is more important than anything the rest of this supposed startup is going to do, period. go away" (to persons gf) 1707154;1504149339;gabriel_laddel_p;what we were doing was installing masamune. 1707155;1504149347;mircea_popescu;why so hostile ? 1707156;1504149402;gabriel_laddel_p;girl was not attractive enough for me to care, already been paid, the startup idea isn't even an idea 1707157;1504149425;gabriel_laddel_p;it is so clearly and utterly obvious that I'm more important than, whatever, all of sf 1707158;1504149432;gabriel_laddel_p;that they all talk about me at "parties" 1707159;1504149441;trinque;folks are sometimes hesitant to pay you again after "lol fuck you bitch, got your money" 1707160;1504149443;mircea_popescu;oh ? and what do they say ? 1707161;1504149446;gabriel_laddel_p;which is why I have a place to stay & someone making me food right now. 1707162;1504149465;mircea_popescu;is she hot ? 1707163;1504149502;*;mircea_popescu can sorta follow the logic, "fuck it, no longer need legs now" 1707164;1504149503;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: well, in this instance the (guy) in question thought I sounded important & invited me to come live for a bit. parents making dinner. 1707165;1504149529;asciilifeform;he ain't named bernstein by any chance?? 1707166;1504149531;gabriel_laddel_p;the girl discussing me with one of my friends is super duper impressed with me, and increasingly so' 1707167;1504149538;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: lol no. 1707168;1504149545;mircea_popescu;is she 16 ? 1707169;1504149557;kanzure;asciilifeform: there is a cache of all the papers. anything not cached is snarfed in real-time through ezproxy magic. yes. 1707170;1504149561;*;asciilifeform was about to ask 'she ain't named tanja lange...?' lol 1707171;1504149561;gabriel_laddel_p;he's unimportant, but a nice fellow & knows his place in the universe. just decent white people. 1707172;1504149601;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: nah. like 20-something. I don't talk to her or anything, but, again, people run into, ban, then discuss me at lenght 1707173;1504149603;kanzure;asciilifeform: the torrents are not mine; those are snapshots from either libgen or maybe scihub. 1707174;1504149638;mircea_popescu;i suppose this also could go on the list, other than the teixochips and microscope : depdfizing and SELECTING the decent papers in that pile. 1707175;1504149655;asciilifeform;kanzure: why dontcha simply re-create the engine ? 1707176;1504149657;mircea_popescu;throw all the crap out, publish the rest as plain text/html. 1707177;1504149663;asciilifeform;^ 1707178;1504149692;mircea_popescu;could trivially throw out a large chunk by applying methodical selection criteria. "fails to include its dataset, NUKED" 1707179;1504149695;kanzure;re: throwing out the crap, someone was working on 'compression' (since pdf is awful and highly redundant). he estimated the total data could be 10x reduced. 1707180;1504149695;mircea_popescu;like in the old warez days. 1707181;1504149697;gabriel_laddel_p;to finish that story, I was not even at this party, and don't to any of them + have started charging people to meet with me. 1707182;1504149700;mircea_popescu;proper releases or go away. 1707183;1504149712;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p sounds like shit's looking up for you then! 1707184;1504149717;gabriel_laddel_p;rich kids who think they're clever hate this, apparently. 1707185;1504149718;asciilifeform;kanzure: djvu in place of pdf, say, for starters 1707186;1504149723;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: yes , finally. 1707187;1504149742;mircea_popescu;kanzure the crap i mean, actual bad "research" papers. 1707188;1504149749;mircea_popescu;optimistically 1% may be worth existing. 1707189;1504149757;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: fwiw, can't wait for the 5-10 years or w/e to come meet irl at some point. 1707190;1504149772;gabriel_laddel_p;sf sucks. tsmr rocks. 1707191;1504149777;mircea_popescu;AND the fact of the matter is that the whole "scientific community" is a bunch of desperate teenaged cunts. all they need is a trump to pussygrab them, and they're cheering for his appearnce. 1707192;1504149790;mircea_popescu;throw up MOST of the papers, establish a level they have to meet, be the king of angloscience. 1707193;1504149804;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p so what's a plane to cr, 500 bux 1707194;1504149810;kanzure;yes but the scihub person isn't do that :( 1707195;1504149815;mircea_popescu;so you do it. 1707196;1504149818;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: criminal record. 1707197;1504149823;mircea_popescu;um. 1707198;1504149830;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: can't get passport 1707199;1504149836;mircea_popescu;i had nfi you're a felon. what'd you do again ? 1707200;1504149836;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: I 1707201;1504149864;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: I'm not a felon. trespassing & petty theft + ignored warrants for years. 1707202;1504149883;mircea_popescu;afaik unless felon, can get passport. talk to a mexican lawyer. 1707203;1504149890;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: will do. 1707204;1504149918;asciilifeform;iirc folx with outstanding warrant get no passport in usaschwitz. but ianal. 1707205;1504149934;mircea_popescu;has to be federal, which wouldn't be for "trespassing" ie i got drunk at a party. 1707206;1504149945;mircea_popescu;but i have nfi what he actually did etc. 1707207;1504149946;asciilifeform;tru! 1707208;1504149970;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: inside research lab. at night. with no ID to be in there. 1707209;1504149981;mircea_popescu;eh, all the peta dorks have passports. 1707210;1504150006;gabriel_laddel_p;imho, throw money at problem, goes away like most else. 1707211;1504150014;asciilifeform;phunphakt re usa inmates : most live and die passportless 1707212;1504150016;mircea_popescu;well, before money, some thought. 1707213;1504150020;gabriel_laddel_p;don't be poor. 1707214;1504150051;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707010 << i expect it's mostly a sign of recognition. his narrative seems to confirm. 1707215;1504150051;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 02:28 asciilifeform: i had nfi it were possible to be 'banned from berkeley' - what is this, 1500s germany? 1707216;1504150094;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: criuise ships don't really check ID + bribes exist. I can probably take a one way cruise, hop off & become someone else if I felt like putting in the effort/ 1707217;1504150097;mircea_popescu;kanzure and no fucking djavu either. 1707218;1504150121;mircea_popescu;im not aware the shitpiles are allowed in here. but perhaps. 1707219;1504150131;kanzure;huh? asciilifeform said djvu is yes 1707220;1504150144;mircea_popescu;he's a heretic. 1707221;1504150199;gabriel_laddel_p;off for a few days to heal, work & catch up on logs. nice chatting. 1707222;1504150220;mircea_popescu;html of text plus img WHEN NEEDED. that's what science is. 1707223;1504150227;mircea_popescu;djavu is for vampire fanfic. 1707224;1504150346;kanzure;do you feel bad knowing that it's for vampire fanfic? is that something you really want to know? 1707225;1504150367;mircea_popescu;um. what ? 1707226;1504150378;kanzure;i haven't checked if that's the case. 1707227;1504150391;asciilifeform;djvu is a nonturingcomplete item, rather like a multipage jpeg with asciitext ocrtrack (optional) 1707228;1504150399;kanzure;anyway, i agree that the data is in terrible format, should be fixed before dumping 50 TB of crap on everyone 1707229;1504150401;mircea_popescu;omfg my derrogatories don't even register with this guy. 1707230;1504150408;asciilifeform;lol 1707231;1504150419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes yes, it's a better turdormat. 1707232;1504150422;kanzure;i called you an idiot and you gave me money. the non-registration goes both ways. 1707233;1504150443;mircea_popescu;!#s idiot from:kanzure 1707234;1504150443;a111;2 results for "idiot from:kanzure", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=idiot%20from%3Akanzure 1707235;1504150456;mircea_popescu;apparently you did not ? 1707236;1504150469;kanzure;hmm. that's unsettling. 1707237;1504150482;mircea_popescu;inquire with teh tulpas. 1707238;1504150526;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html << example of one 'handmade' alternative to djvu & similar 1707239;1504150538;asciilifeform;( for vintage paperz ) 1707240;1504150548;mircea_popescu;!~calc 8 * 60 * 180 1707241;1504150551;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 8 * 60 * 180 = 86400 1707242;1504150576;kanzure;asciilifeform: you mean... png? 1707243;1504150576;mircea_popescu;kanzure you could probably RETYPE, by your own hand, all the science worth existing being produced each day thrice over. 1707244;1504150579;asciilifeform;( it doesn't texthighlight, however ) 1707245;1504150595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the WHOLE POINT is to get future science to hyperlink old articles. 1707246;1504150603;mircea_popescu;just like select-link to trilema/archive.is works now 1707247;1504150615;kanzure;mircea_popescu: the trick is convincing everyone to give me their science each day. most people just say "nah you'd die from information overload" but they haven't tried. 1707248;1504150619;mircea_popescu;this is 100 times more valuable than "oh noes, i drew out my product symbol hurr" 1707249;1504150679;mircea_popescu;for the inept "typographic" qualities you gain with dejavu and it's shittier monkistan degradations, you LOSE OUT!!! on the only important thing. the only thing that fucking matters. the hyperlinking. 1707250;1504150693;mircea_popescu;it's why we even made the fucking net in the first fucking place motherfuckers. 1707251;1504150709;mircea_popescu;not so idiots could "oh noes, typography, like in a book" 1707252;1504150724;mircea_popescu;what, you weren't there, what the fuck happened ? 1707253;1504150773;mircea_popescu;"i want my computer to lisp because i want to inspect the trees and i think science should be in acrylate slices, like the fucking horses" 1707254;1504150806;asciilifeform;it ain't ever coming out of said slices except by hand entry 1707255;1504150814;asciilifeform;nonzero error ocr is a nogo 1707256;1504150815;mircea_popescu;he can type fast. 1707257;1504150848;mircea_popescu;ALL this takes is to have a basis. it'll acrete once that is large enough. 1707258;1504150856;asciilifeform;would have to separate the flies from the cutlets tho 1707259;1504150862;mircea_popescu;i did say. 1707260;1504150871;asciilifeform;and i suspect that there are no cutlets in there. 1707261;1504150877;asciilifeform;not any moar. 1707262;1504150880;mircea_popescu;but this is why i'm not telling you to do it. 1707263;1504150884;mircea_popescu;he -- thinks otherwise. 1707264;1504150895;asciilifeform;tru. 1707265;1504150968;mircea_popescu;which should answer #hpluswhatwas it's curiosity. i can coerce, because people can't live with themselves if they don't do as i say. a lesson some learn on own skin and some intuit naturally. 1707266;1504150969;asciilifeform;btw worth recalling the fate of various 'open access journal' 1707267;1504150986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness, all were run by jwzs. 1707268;1504151043;asciilifeform;this is so. but in the process exposed that whole edifice is a prestigefarm: 'it won't get me tenuretracked at shitbridge, why should i print there' 1707269;1504151133;asciilifeform;arxive -- exists. nobody ddoses it, even. but folx who want jerbs, still fellate elsevier. 1707270;1504151138;mircea_popescu;maybe he's nuts enough to actually act autonomously, who knows. 1707271;1504151159;mircea_popescu;arxive is jwz through and through. most all of it is crap. 1707272;1504151192;asciilifeform;'but pray tell mr babbage, if i put into the machine the wrong figures...' 1707273;1504151200;mircea_popescu;but don't put in the wrong figures. 1707274;1504151210;mircea_popescu;that's whart a fucking library is for in the first place. 1707275;1504151223;asciilifeform;indisputably 1707276;1504151319;BingoBoingo; do they? << Yes, unless you want to be gimped for life. It's a permanent hit to your hitpoints 1707277;1504151520;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform was about to ask 'she ain't named tanja lange...?' lol << LOLOLOLOLOL 1707278;1504151747;asciilifeform;re elsevier : good name imho for a journal would be ' ELSEWHERE ' 1707279;1504151764;asciilifeform;'don't print at elsevier, go... ELSEWHERE ' 1707280;1504151779;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: the trick is convincing everyone to give me their science each day. most people just say "nah you'd die from information overload" but they haven't tried. << Have you tried building an obelisk for your science. I hear it works wonders. 1707281;1504151823;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not bad. 1707282;1504151901;mircea_popescu;tho maybe he wants to usew you know, his own name. Bryan Bishop's Actual Science Report. 1707283;1504153075;ben_vulpes;pff i go to take my girl for gelato and romp my child with his grandparents and y'all create epic logs 1707284;1504153085;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: package arrived, ty 1707285;1504153295;BingoBoingo;Gelato for 6? 1707286;1504153353;ben_vulpes;"2 and 3" means 2nd and third, "for this much suffering we should fucking get twins" 1707287;1504153394;BingoBoingo;What if she's carrying a five pack? 1707288;1504153405;BingoBoingo;Abortion roulette? 1707289;1504153445;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/YoYYx << BHAW, music writers hate success of popular populist anthem of White Nationalism 1707290;1504153494;ben_vulpes;i'll probably put up a page on cuntstarter or something 1707291;1504153519;BingoBoingo;win 1707292;1504153537;BingoBoingo;Or you know... invest in cuntstaller or something 1707293;1504153661;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/08/in-reversal-antifa-fad-in-us-being-dumped-on-by-establishment-leftists-amid-dismal-approval-ratings/ << Qntra - In Reversal Antifa Fad In US Being Dumped On By Establishment Leftists Amid Dismal Approval Ratings 1707294;1504153716;BingoBoingo;Maybe cuntlimer you can dial in? 1707295;1504153723;BingoBoingo;*cuntlimiter 1707296;1504153799;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8808&pr=1 1707297;1504154166;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707284 << congrats ben_vulpes ! 1707298;1504154166;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 04:18 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: package arrived, ty 1707299;1504154209;asciilifeform;dun forget to test, ben_vulpes 1707300;1504154372;ben_vulpes;shant, shant. 1707301;1504154427;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: actually now that you mention it, i hopped on a scale for lulz recently and realized that i should really stop calibrating my intake against hers 1707302;1504154542;ben_vulpes;lady is quite clearly engaged in a serious fabrication project 1707303;1504154644;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: re package -- let's have the 'unboxing pics' 1707304;1504154653;asciilifeform;to continue in the fine traditionz 1707305;1504155333;ben_vulpes;aah, the waters finally got 'im 1707306;1504155336;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: mhm 1707307;1504155495;*;asciilifeform pictures ben_vulpes opening box by dog grabbing one end with teeth and son, other end 1707308;1504155555;ben_vulpes;package was robust enough to survive this operation! 1707309;1504155606;ben_vulpes;girl wanted to show me things, but was reading circuit diagrams, "woman, i am reading schematics for a communist killing machine. whatever you have can wait" 1707310;1504155635;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: we had one go to argentiniatan an' back: 0 inner bubblez popped... 1707311;1504155642;asciilifeform;*argentinistan 1707312;1504155717;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: all the printed matter is on www also. but dead tree is backup ( and asciilifeform likes hard copies ... ) 1707313;1504155865;ben_vulpes;you can tell it's artisinal asymmetric warfare gear by the vintage yellow dots on the manual 1707314;1504155976;asciilifeform;gestapotronic colour treekiller , neh 1707315;1504155986;asciilifeform;!#s seeingyellow 1707316;1504155986;a111;4 results for "seeingyellow", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=seeingyellow 1707317;1504156236;ben_vulpes;a headline that won't make the cut this evening: " Javascript: It can work" 1707318;1504156337;ben_vulpes;i tell you, listening to the young feller who shares the toxic trainstation orifice with me prattle on about the majesty of es6 takes what wind is left in the sails of trying to fix a young man's mind clean to /dev/null 1707319;1504156388;ben_vulpes;even he almost gets it, "oh yeah, they just poured the whole sugar bag of syntax in. javascript has python, c#, you name it." 1707320;1504156500;ben_vulpes;"oh dear, i really need some help here. this javascript app is so completely asynchronous that i can't hold it all in my head at the same time." "didja design it to fit in your head?" "no, i didn't really have time for that." "didja...write tests for it?" "no, definitely didn't have time for that" "well, it looks like you're going to have to find the time to painfully debug it by hand without any of the 1707321;1504156503;ben_vulpes;tooling i told you to write three months ago." 1707322;1504156594;ben_vulpes;("imagine, if they only paid software coolies for software that works" [tm] [r] [asciilifeform]) 1707323;1504156634;ben_vulpes;and your parting grade a bezzle of the evening: http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-apple-iowa-welfare-20170829-story.html 1707324;1504159919;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707293 << in fairness, they folded "their oppinion" / alligned to republica ideology WAY the fuck earlier this time around. 1707325;1504159919;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 04:27 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/in-reversal-antifa-fad-in-us-being-dumped-on-by-establishment-leftists-amid-dismal-approval-ratings/ << Qntra - In Reversal Antifa Fad In US Being Dumped On By Establishment Leftists Amid Dismal Approval Ratings 1707326;1504159934;*;mircea_popescu braces for pravda becoming simple retelling of logs in monotone, braindead voice. 1707327;1504160060;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707313 << bwaghahha 1707328;1504160060;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 05:04 ben_vulpes: you can tell it's artisinal asymmetric warfare gear by the vintage yellow dots on the manual 1707329;1504162622;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: actually now that you mention it, i hopped on a scale for lulz recently and realized that i should really stop calibrating my intake against hers << Smoking cessation invokes a similar realization when the implication of one's resting heartrate falling to a human value from a near avian value on basal metabolism hits 1707330;1504162858;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I doubt it's a folding to Republican ideology so much as "Remember how popular Black Lives Matter was electorally..." 1707331;1504162868;BingoBoingo;De Nile is a mighty big river 1707332;1504162888;mircea_popescu;i measure the whore's performance not her internal states. 1707333;1504162894;mircea_popescu;for all i care, i doesn't have internals. 1707334;1504163218;BingoBoingo;Even from a performative angle, gotta assume WAPO pilotage is a least USG.NAVY.BoatDriving level anti-skilled 1707335;1504163317;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1707336;1504163424;BingoBoingo;Which means it may show aggression beyond its station and try bullying bigger commercial vessels out of their lanes to its loss and actual people's inconvenience. 1707337;1504163466;BingoBoingo;Sure, not worth forcasting that in detail, but it is useful to have an idea where floods first. 1707338;1504163558;mircea_popescu;maybe worth, what do i know. 1707339;1504163780;BingoBoingo;I'm very uncertain. It's easy to know pantsuit eats their own. I lack a refined oracle atm for which demographic pantsuit eats next. 1707340;1504163965;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in firehose news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/dbc5b794a781dbd50abce348a1722063/tumblr_nodjz7ymmT1tk4xluo1_400.gif 1707341;1504164696;BingoBoingo;In other biohacks http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/600/960/de5.jpg 1707342;1504164711;mircea_popescu;lol 1707343;1504182756;shinohai;!!up PeterL 1707344;1504182756;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1707345;1504182765;PeterL;ah, thanks for the voice 1707346;1504182806;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707245 << a good example http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/fsn3.88/full 1707347;1504182806;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 03:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the WHOLE POINT is to get future science to hyperlink old articles. 1707348;1504182843;PeterL;this is something I needed for work, and tada, web search came up with nice open access article, I was amazed 1707349;1504183238;shinohai;kek 1707350;1504188622;mod6;mornin' 1707351;1504188673;shinohai;Buenas dias mod6 1707352;1504189606;shinohai;Does anyone reading the logs have any info on this brand of SSD? https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX300-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B01KKZLX46 1707353;1504189626;shinohai;Keeps popping up in my research but I'm leery of unknown brands. 1707354;1504191806;asciilifeform;shinohai: i have same brand ~pata~ ssd in an ancient dos lappy. not dead yet... 1707355;1504191809;mod6;how goes shinohai 1707356;1504191967;shinohai;Good here mod6 thx! 1707357;1504191984;shinohai;Cool asciilifeform ..... might be worth a shot anyway 1707358;1504192186;shinohai;Bwahahaha, btc-e is back up and joins scam exchange cryptopia in .nz: https://btc-e.nz/ 1707359;1504192213;asciilifeform;shinohai: i see a crapflare eggog 1707360;1504192239;shinohai;Really? I can access it 1707361;1504192395;asciilifeform;it's shitflare, eh, serves up whatever it feels like depending on from where 1707362;1504194656;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1707363;1504194667;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4703.98, vol: 7723.99980004 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4688.0, vol: 15772.92932907 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4703.51, vol: 3447.11091498 | Volume-weighted last average: 4694.56524437 1707364;1504194679;BingoBoingo;Much crash 1707365;1504194985;trinque;http://archive.is/RrGdX << meanwhile the usg.banks insist they no, really, srsly have a future. 1707366;1504195461;shinohai;BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGEE! 1707367;1504195661;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707320 << this knife has another edge, ben_vulpes . most commercial ops don't have the budget ( time, mainly , but money also ) for ActuallyWorksAndFitsInHead(tm). ( picture, if you will, ffa as a commercial project at a secular software co ) 1707368;1504195661;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 05:15 ben_vulpes: "oh dear, i really need some help here. this javascript app is so completely asynchronous that i can't hold it all in my head at the same time." "didja design it to fit in your head?" "no, i didn't really have time for that." "didja...write tests for it?" "no, definitely didn't have time for that" "well, it looks like you're going to have to find the time to painfully debug it by hand without any of the 1707369;1504195765;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707322 << the other edge of ~this~ knife is 'imagine if they actually paid moar for soft that actuallyworx' 1707370;1504195765;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 05:16 ben_vulpes: ("imagine, if they only paid software coolies for software that works" [tm] [r] [asciilifeform]) 1707371;1504195778;asciilifeform;aka lemonmarket. 1707372;1504195822;asciilifeform;!!up sageprobes 1707373;1504195823;deedbot;sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes. 1707374;1504195831;asciilifeform;hi sageprobes 1707375;1504195867;asciilifeform;sageprobes: you came from my www... what brings you here? 1707376;1504195952;sageprobes;was expecting a forum tbh, I don't actually have a sage probe I would need help with but was curious about battle stories 1707377;1504195963;asciilifeform;sageprobes: plenty in the logs 1707378;1504195969;asciilifeform;!#s sage 1707379;1504195969;a111;102 results for "sage", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sage 1707380;1504195973;asciilifeform;!#s sageprobe 1707381;1504195974;a111;9 results for "sageprobe", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sageprobe 1707382;1504196053;asciilifeform;!#s sage_pill 1707383;1504196054;a111;5 results for "sage_pill", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sage_pill 1707384;1504196057;asciilifeform;^ for starters. 1707385;1504196094;asciilifeform;sageprobes: if you don't have a probe+amdmobo, you probably will not find these very interesting. 1707386;1504196146;asciilifeform;sageprobes: care to introduce yourself ? how did you come upon the article ? 1707387;1504196162;*;sageprobes tips hat 1707388;1504196176;sageprobes;I found the original cracking article plenty interesting :P 1707389;1504196225;sageprobes;Been intermittently following Loper for ages, I'm an Urbit employee ^-^ 1707390;1504196235;asciilifeform;sageprobes: another fella cracked independently, a finn, 1707391;1504196239;asciilifeform;!#s from:kmalkki 1707392;1504196239;a111;66 results for "from:kmalkki", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Akmalkki 1707393;1504196264;asciilifeform;( though he 'cheated', found the debug symbols somewhere ) 1707394;1504196324;asciilifeform;sageprobes: now that has the makings of a good story -- does yarvin actually ~pay~ you lot ?! 1707395;1504196329;asciilifeform;... with money?! 1707396;1504196440;sageprobes;below market because like ~Haskell tax~ but pays the rent 1707397;1504196450;sageprobes;in San Francisco even! 1707398;1504196452;asciilifeform;what's a haskell tax ? 1707399;1504196465;asciilifeform;!!up fyr 1707400;1504196465;deedbot;fyr voiced for 30 minutes. 1707401;1504196490;fyr;> nick registered 1707402;1504196497;fyr;hmm guess I've been on here before 1707403;1504196525;fyr;Haskell tax is the phenomenon that working in Java or Javascirpt or w/e pays more 1707404;1504196533;fyr;At least as a junior idk 1707405;1504196556;shinohai;I thought working in Java was like a circle of hell or a prison sentence. 1707406;1504196587;asciilifeform;fyr: consider registering with deedbot, 1707407;1504196589;asciilifeform;!!help 1707408;1504196589;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1707409;1504196603;fyr;yup, and adequately compensated by googamzbooksoft! 1707410;1504196680;fyr;> ascii armored public key 1707411;1504196689;fyr;see this is why I want urbit to exist uvu 1707412;1504196736;fyr;I can paste in an ssh pubkey I guess? 1707413;1504196783;asciilifeform;pgp 1707414;1504196809;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc << example. 1707415;1504197190;fyr;Yeah I'm trying to figure out if this is doable without having a trilema-specific key I'd inevitably lose 1707416;1504197605;trinque;there's no urbit-turd you'd also have to keep holding onto? 1707417;1504197614;trinque;surely this is not insurmountable 1707418;1504197675;trinque;lol! 1707419;1504197789;shinohai;Thank you, hurr-duurbit, come again! 1707420;1504197807;shinohai;(Preferably when you realize what a true digital Republic is) 1707421;1504197822;trinque;lotta calitards slithering in lately. must be climate change. 1707422;1504197858;*;shinohai imagines trinque on an island of fire ants directing the weather from tx 1707423;1504197985;shinohai;Floating fire ants, to be more specific 1707424;1504199486;shinohai;I figured out that gl broke his leg running from the cops trying to hide crystal meth in wax dildos: http://archive.is/kB5wq 1707425;1504200019;asciilifeform;in other lulzfodder from same rag ( BingoBoingo : qntra?? ) https://archive.is/jpbe0 >> 'Posters paying homage to the Confederate Army and to World War II dictators like Mussolini and Hitler line the walls of the lobby in the 39th Place condo building in the ethnically diverse neighborhood of Sunnyside. Posters in support of the National Rifle Association and President Trump cover the stairwell. Many residents in the building are imm 1707426;1504200019;asciilifeform;igrants. Last week, residents spoke to News 4 anonymously, terrified of retribution. They say the display of posters and propaganda started small and grew to the entire lobby. The building directory lists infamous Nazis Rudolf Hess and Josef Mengele as residents.' 1707427;1504200058;asciilifeform;'New York City Council Major Leader Jimmy Van Bramer, a Democrat, led a rally at the building last week, saying the man has created a "house of horrors" for tenants ...' 1707428;1504200071;asciilifeform;'...Commission on Human Rights has launched an investigation..' 1707429;1504200129;asciilifeform;the noosefilm ~blurred out swastica~ as if it were, horror, a cunt 1707430;1504200421;shinohai;Oh noes! 1707431;1504200471;shinohai;Such pantywaists 1707432;1504200715;shinohai;!!up fyr 1707433;1504200716;deedbot;fyr voiced for 30 minutes. 1707434;1504200727;fyr;My "urbit-turd" is ultimately on a test-net, and doesn't have live keys 1707435;1504200736;fyr;and if it did and the shitty VPS it's on went down, I'd make doe eyes at Management and they'd unilaterally push my new key into the kernel of everyone on the network 1707436;1504200741;fyr;because lolwut is decentralization 1707437;1504200750;fyr;Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x" 1707438;1504200755;fyr;which would be terribly self-defeating if said laptop death did occur 1707439;1504200757;shinohai;omg it is a so-called `cryptocurrency` ? 1707440;1504200774;fyr;Anyway I know I'm on the larp server for "not getting pwned by unspecified pgp-fearing non-Mossad is hard, reliable backups and Linux audio is easy" 1707441;1504200781;fyr;just *grump* at the implication that gpg is usable enough by a non-initiate to get a brainwallet or w/e out of it in 5 minutes 1707442;1504200787;*;fyr knows he should "just" git gud at crypto 1707443;1504200797;fyr;I guess I could just generate an entropic keypair and dump the private half in Dropbox, but in that case staying unregistered seems more uh honest :3 1707444;1504200804;fyr;(Especially if I keep using this thru webchat on an ~underpatched iPad~) 1707445;1504200847;shinohai;"and dump the private half in Dropbox" <<< please don't fucking do this 1707446;1504200849;asciilifeform;fyr: get an old laptop with no nic and pgp on that. fiddybux. 1707447;1504200860;fyr;It's not, even the desired end state is semi-centralized with 256 root nodes 1707448;1504200868;asciilifeform;fyr: see also http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide 1707449;1504200870;fyr;I am very much not going to do that yes 1707450;1504200896;fyr;I have a fresh Librem lying around I can probably use that 1707451;1504200940;fyr;But that doesn't actually solve the "2 years later I drop it in the bath" problem 1707452;1504200957;asciilifeform;it's, what, a couple of kB, to back up 1707453;1504200966;shinohai;^ 1707454;1504200972;fyr;Which requires more proactive multisig running-around 1707455;1504200979;asciilifeform;how?? 1707456;1504200991;asciilifeform;you. simply. back. up. the. file 1707457;1504201010;fyr;Okay yes I could just triplicate the primary key on various SD cards and hope nobody finds any of them 1707458;1504201094;fyr;Still involves securing physical possessions as suddenly my job and not evil megacorps' 1707459;1504201095;asciilifeform;imho a grown man, and a programmer, can figure out how to hide a few kByte somewhere, without any help from us 1707460;1504201132;asciilifeform;( and it goes without saying, that one does this at all times without help ) 1707461;1504201135;fyr;Anyway I'm sure I can be talked into it eventually, but I don't have it set up /already/ and am not going to go on a multihour Fetchquest to that effect rn 1707462;1504201146;*;fyr is at work or sth 1707463;1504201161;shinohai;sekooority!!!! 1707464;1504201163;asciilifeform;fyr: once you figure out why it's done, you'll do it. ( or not. ) 1707465;1504201167;shinohai;iT'S TOO HARD! 1707466;1504201206;fyr;"Without help" is a bit harsh, and implies I shouldn't read the ~practical guide~ just linked, but if I have srs keys nobody gets to touch them ya 1707467;1504201247;fyr;Like I'm not saying it is ~an utterly impossible insurmountable burden~ I'm saying I don't have any threat models for which it makes sense 1707468;1504201283;shinohai;Imagine key as physical object, like diamond. You would leave it sitting on kitchen table behind locked doors whilst you work? 1707469;1504201309;fyr;to take on the liability of "don't lose this file or you'll get much more reputational harm than just not registering in the first place" 1707470;1504201336;fyr;No I'd leave it locked up in a bank that all the normies trust B) 1707471;1504201339;asciilifeform;fyr: do you use bitcoin ? 1707472;1504201372;asciilifeform;if you do, oughta be familiar with the 'where do i keep something' problem and the approaches to it. 1707473;1504201373;shinohai;I mean, there are safety measures such as: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762 1707474;1504201382;fyr;I have like less than one lying around on coinbase for use in buying alpaca socks, not like in any serious capacity 1707475;1504201392;shinohai;LMFAO 1707476;1504201395;asciilifeform;shinohai: that doesn't solve the problem of a d00d who has nfi how to keep a key 1707477;1504201422;fyr;I have any idea it just seems like a lot of work :P 1707478;1504201434;shinohai;asciilifeform: I was trying to be magnanimous and assume he had basic knowledge 1707479;1504201434;*;fyr is lazy to a fault 1707480;1504201449;asciilifeform;fyr: it's a pretty modest amount of ( largely non-recurring ) work. 1707481;1504201467;asciilifeform;the reward is that you get to actually have an identity. 1707482;1504201481;asciilifeform;and a reputation. 1707483;1504201514;fyr;Have read article, if I was doing this for srs that would be a backup for sharded offsite multisig 1707484;1504201523;asciilifeform;you get a signature, that -- eventually, perhaps -- begins to ~mean something~ 1707485;1504201546;fyr;I have a decent grasp of the relevant /primitives/ and am confident in my ability to actually apply them after a couple days of reading manpages 1707486;1504201562;asciilifeform;having no key, is rather like the traditional portrait of being a ghost -- you can looksy but no touchsy 1707487;1504201642;fyr;How many times has any ~ghost~ on this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long 1707488;1504201715;fyr;And like I get that unforgeable reputation is useful if you want to have a textual agreement to buy some MPEx security for bitcoin, or w.e. 1707489;1504201727;asciilifeform;fyr: this is rather like asking 'how many times have people stolen diamond off your front porch' 1707490;1504201733;asciilifeform;nobody leaves diamond on front porch 1707491;1504201741;asciilifeform;and nobody has serious business with keyless. 1707492;1504201753;asciilifeform;or gives'em anything to make'em worth impersonating. 1707493;1504201760;shinohai;"if I was doing this for srs" <<< no reason to do it otherwise besides practicd in ones own home 1707494;1504201775;fyr;But I don't have any bright plans for making such arrangements, and will consider keyfulness premature optimization until then 1707495;1504201781;*;fyr has a rhinestone 1707496;1504201800;*;fyr is listening about how he should put the porch rhinestone inside a $200 safe 1707497;1504201837;fyr;which will take 2 dudes with jackhammers a day to install, disrupting any attempts to get work done during that day 1707498;1504201840;fyr;tradeoffs. 1707499;1504201884;fyr;hi mircea tell me how I should stop being an untrusted ghostfag <3 1707500;1504201978;fyr;actually nvm don't I gtg 1707501;1504202099;mircea_popescu;!!key fyr 1707502;1504202100;deedbot;Not registered. 1707503;1504202105;mircea_popescu;!~later tell fyr so register a key. 1707504;1504202105;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1707505;1504204277;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707348 << o hey, nice. 1707506;1504204277;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 12:34 PeterL: this is something I needed for work, and tada, web search came up with nice open access article, I was amazed 1707507;1504204358;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707348 << it's a micron tech brand, not exactly unknown, mostly IM Flash tech products anyway. 1707508;1504204358;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 12:34 PeterL: this is something I needed for work, and tada, web search came up with nice open access article, I was amazed 1707509;1504204398;mircea_popescu;uh i meant the above re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707352 1707510;1504204398;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 14:26 shinohai: Does anyone reading the logs have any info on this brand of SSD? https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX300-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B01KKZLX46 1707511;1504204440;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707361 << be less terrorist. 1707512;1504204440;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 15:13 asciilifeform: it's shitflare, eh, serves up whatever it feels like depending on from where 1707513;1504204490;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707389 << aaahahaha urbit has employees now ? 1707514;1504204490;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 16:17 sageprobes: Been intermittently following Loper for ages, I'm an Urbit employee ^-^ 1707515;1504204510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: had since 2011 or so, when andresen h. funded 1707516;1504204524;mircea_popescu;lulzpop. 1707517;1504204555;shinohai;huur durbit dippy do 1707518;1504204591;shinohai;"If Ethereum is Law" 1707519;1504204670;mircea_popescu;at which point i feel compelled to quote http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 : "So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their coun 1707520;1504204670;mircea_popescu;try (in our example, that sad ghet to) pick John up forcibly, sit him down at the table next to mine and curl at his feet, just like the other two. They're definitely not slavegirls, they have neither the training nor the skills nor in the end the needs or structure of that relationship, and no marble columns, no gardens where water sprinkles among the cypress nor artesian fountains springing forth marzipan await them at hom 1707521;1504204672;mircea_popescu;e, but instead the nude concrete walls, the [low class mass produced kitsch wallhanging stuff], the bedbug infested pressed shitboard nightstand. But indifferent to all these points, they play a role to support a theory : the theory that here too, in the assghetto of shit "we got fine stuff", and a John wh o, even if only four letters long, is still quite as great as any Mircea come from afar." 1707522;1504204799;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707411 << honestly i don't see. what ? 1707523;1504204799;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 16:24 fyr: see this is why I want urbit to exist uvu 1707524;1504204865;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707415 << lol this guy. the "trilema-specific" item is the only non-specific one. "oh, i can't get on the web from my walled garden dumbphone without a "web specific" arrangement". yes, it's called a key. the freedom-specific item people in cells need is called a key. 1707525;1504204865;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 16:33 fyr: Yeah I'm trying to figure out if this is doable without having a trilema-specific key I'd inevitably lose 1707526;1504205074;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707421 the word apparently spread that while just as scary as ever, we don't actually bite. 1707527;1504205074;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 16:43 trinque: lotta calitards slithering in lately. must be climate change. 1707528;1504205135;trinque;if there are a few salvageable folks out there, hooray. 1707529;1504205143;*;trinque met ben_vulpes in Portland after all 1707530;1504205205;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707435 << and you fail to see why this makes your toy project entirely irrelevant to everyone, including yourselves ? 1707531;1504205205;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: and if it did and the shitty VPS it's on went down, I'd make doe eyes at Management and they'd unilaterally push my new key into the kernel of everyone on the network 1707532;1504205250;mircea_popescu;trinque there's at all times large swathes of salvageable cattle. they -- never in short supply. who can be arsed to wield the whip in such copious quantities as they may require, now that's a challenge. 1707533;1504205260;mircea_popescu;fwis the forum's patience already wearing thin at the edges. 1707534;1504205323;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/jewish-cuckoldress-husband-tim-celebrate-10-years-wedding-aniversay/ << Trilema - Jewish Cuckoldress & Husband Tim celebrate 10 years' wedding aniversay. 1707535;1504205478;mircea_popescu;(this is a significant problem. consider a model : there's what, ten-twenty millions of bernsteins, kanzure , fyr and what have you on one hand ; and only a hundred or so of us. even if we were to work a full 200 hour's week, if on average one needs 1k man-hours of constant whipping to redress into humanity, we encounter the following birthday paradox : either the whipping is undirected, in which case every tard gets 15 minut 1707536;1504205479;mircea_popescu;es and nothing happens ; or else the whipping is directed, in which case we pick the 3-sigma cases and get 0.03% of 10mn ie 3k people who could be fixed in a few days each. 1707537;1504205507;asciilifeform;bryan ( kanzure ) is in asciilifeform's meat l2 for many yrs, but imho remains a border case 1707538;1504205522;mircea_popescu;now the problem with this is that the stupid beast ~quite deliberately~ (even if uncomprehended by the elements, subhuman as they are, composing that beast) presents them partially. so as to avoid you know, actual results, much like an octopus would touch a stove.) 1707539;1504205531;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hence the sigma comments. 1707540;1504205670;trinque;g_l for example can absorb an astonishing amount of whipping with nary a budge. I don't even mean that as an insult. 1707541;1504205695;asciilifeform;i have genuinely nfi re g_l , what he spends his time on, after seeing the film 1707542;1504205716;asciilifeform;asked the q ' so what didja ~change~ in clim etc ' and no satisfactory reply 1707543;1504205716;trinque;I've got e-mail threads with him where I try to spoonfeed him a mcclim support gig, nada 1707544;1504205722;trinque;aha 1707545;1504205801;asciilifeform;g_l wrote that he ended up here via my www, but often it is not clear to asciilifeform what he read, and what -- absorbed 1707546;1504205870;mircea_popescu;trinque i have no clear view of what he's doing, so i can't measure, so i wouldn't even call it that. 1707547;1504206010;mircea_popescu;anyway, the in-character which is to say fictitious name for "the stupid beast presents them partially to avoid phase transitions" is that much-celebrated (in stupidistan) "freedom of choice", ie the batshit insane notion that the unknowing may be involved in decisions as of what to do with themselves. 1707548;1504206048;mircea_popescu;ie http://trilema.com/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom 1707549;1504206106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it #includes<> an even nuttier notion, that the unknowing can transform ~selves~ into the knowing, without external prod 1707550;1504206115;mircea_popescu;heh. 1707551;1504206197;asciilifeform;sorta whole point of apprenticeship ( and later, in moar decayed times, schools ) is to ~inflict~ this transformation 1707552;1504206315;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1707553;1504206616;mircea_popescu;heck, why not, if there can exist (as in principle can) individuals who need any arbitrary amount of whipping, there's no reason to elide the extreme case. maybe somewhere somehow there exists this jeddi that actually needs 0, is a natural. 1707554;1504206666;mircea_popescu;can't say i've encountered that many ; and can say that from actual lived experience, the "thinks he's jeddi" heuristic is a fine indicator for "head so far up ass the net result of sufficient whipping will be soap", ie http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/ 1707555;1504206689;asciilifeform;exists in as much as weight varies and so massless man exists somewhere 1707556;1504206734;mircea_popescu;concievablt. 1707557;1504206736;mircea_popescu;bly* 1707558;1504206751;mircea_popescu;i've had no idea just how frequent 4foot-something females are, pre latinoamerica. 1707559;1504206773;asciilifeform;i dun think these exist where there is food..? 1707560;1504206808;mircea_popescu;anyway. but the discussion does make it plain and obvious why "nonviolence", ie attemptingto limit whippings, is such an automatic companion to "freedom of meaningless choice" as to establish what to the cattle means "human rights". 1707561;1504206815;mircea_popescu;they're stupid-old-woman rights, at best. 1707562;1504206848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what can i tell you, 152 centimeters are a lot of centimeters for this part of the world. 1707563;1504206875;phf;jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile.. 1707564;1504206895;mircea_popescu;phf was this some guy briefly here ? or different people ? 1707565;1504206919;phf;different people and i think i'm confusing names 1707566;1504206922;mircea_popescu;a ok. 1707567;1504206976;mircea_popescu;(also, for the completeness of lulz : the stupidistani name for ~meaningful~ choice is "nobrainer", aiming to imply that the only proper use of the cattle brain is the contemplation of meaningless choices.) 1707568;1504207011;mircea_popescu;it's so OBVIOUS, you see, and so EVIDENT, you realise, that one needn't even use his brain for it, whenever the choice is actually meaningful. 1707569;1504207020;phf;Daniel KochmaÅski 1707570;1504207031;asciilifeform;!#s jackdaniel 1707571;1504207032;a111;13 results for "jackdaniel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=jackdaniel 1707572;1504207037;phf;hmm, my ircII doesn't unicode at all 1707573;1504207038;asciilifeform;^ appears in past thread 1707574;1504207053;mircea_popescu;i got an angstrom 1707575;1504207097;asciilifeform;phf: elaborate plox what means 'actual progress.... though some percent of it wrecker' 1707576;1504207108;phf;supposed to be an n with accent aigu, he's i think a polak 1707577;1504207111;asciilifeform;can you picture, e.g., 'd00d fixed my car, some percent, but crowbared the windows' ? 1707578;1504207125;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527243 << a year brought a change :D 1707579;1504207125;a111;Logged on 2016-08-23 01:55 phf: " [04:47:11] keep in mind my CLIM fu is very weak though :)" yet the guy is collecting money for paid CLIM internals development 1707580;1504207131;asciilifeform;'fixed the muffler, but took a torch to the engine block' 1707581;1504207157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can you picture NOT "'d00d fixed my car, some percent, but crowbared the windows" ? when exactly was this the case, i've yet to encounter it. 1707582;1504207167;mircea_popescu;and i employ work crews on liek three continents. 1707583;1504207189;asciilifeform;dunno, my (argentinian!) car-fixer, actually fixed... 1707584;1504207191;phf;it's exactly that! replaced a deflated wheel, while also putting a chair on the roof 1707585;1504207193;mircea_popescu;"painted the wall killed the orchid ; unclogged the toilet dented the faiance ; cooked a meal dirtied the pots..." 1707586;1504207248;asciilifeform;'Хоть врач больному ухо спас, Но выколол случайно глаз' (tm)(r) 1707587;1504207286;mircea_popescu;hey, at least they saved the village before destroying it. 1707588;1504207310;phf;he (and just a few more bounty people) are slowly making it through mcclim bugs, while at the same time introducing questionable things. here's a random example that came up while i was googling his name, https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/posts/Progress-report-8.html 1707589;1504207342;asciilifeform;phf: my main prob with clim wasn't even a bug in the proper sense of the word, but the ~unspeedupable basic design 1707590;1504207347;mircea_popescu;anyway, iirc disagreement with gl was re ethertardation. 1707591;1504207358;asciilifeform;i dun recall him ever mentioning etherism 1707592;1504207381;mircea_popescu;who ? 1707593;1504207387;asciilifeform;g_l 1707594;1504207392;mircea_popescu;the other way around. 1707595;1504207396;phf;asciilifeform: i very much remember many threads 1707596;1504207428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun follow..? 1707597;1504207449;mircea_popescu;gl condemnation of jd was related to ethereum not technical dispute. 1707598;1504207453;asciilifeform;aa 1707599;1504207487;mircea_popescu;phf the brezier test looks very credible actually. 1707600;1504207529;asciilifeform;'Our current financial status is $1,429 for bounties and $267 recurring monthly contributions from the supporters (thanks!).' 1707601;1504207542;mircea_popescu;Our current financial status is $1,429 for bounties and $267 recurring monthly contributions from the supporters (thanks!). 1707602;1504207544;mircea_popescu;o damn. 1707603;1504207546;asciilifeform;that looks high for an opensores proj but rather low for a funded op of whateverr kind 1707604;1504207551;phf;yeah, i don't remember the details. i think g_l just wanted to be the top dog on the project, and, to quote trinque, swing a dick that he didn't have by running the whole thing in faux tmsr way (lots of calling everyone cunt), which got him marginalized, and eventually completely sidelined 1707605;1504207552;mircea_popescu;hey phf you have any idea how they calculate the bounties ? 1707606;1504207593;mircea_popescu;maybe he's scottish, cunt just means man in their lowlands gaelic. 1707607;1504207632;asciilifeform;http://turtleware.eu/about.html << looks like could be a scot neh 1707608;1504207645;mircea_popescu;so does the average dog. 1707609;1504207658;phf;i don't think he literally used the word cunt. i've spent some years with the irish, when i'm in moscows i start reverting (i'm not quite sure what the connection is in my brain) 1707610;1504207663;asciilifeform;'I've decided to build my own company TurtleWare. It is meant to abide by the values and principles I believe in. I have a strong sense of aesthetics.' 1707611;1504207717;mircea_popescu;phf and other than "how do they calculate the bounties", are you supporting this ? 1707612;1504207720;phf;mircea_popescu: i've not really paid enough attention, but they use some bounty tracker https://www.bountysource.com/teams/mcclim/bounties 1707613;1504207748;mircea_popescu;ok, but the problem of interest is how to compute something to end up with the magic number 150. or a replacement. 1707614;1504207768;mircea_popescu;(there's a lot of work went into this in eulora, i dunno if you've seen the various pricing threads. it's to my eyes a very interesting problem) 1707615;1504207829;asciilifeform;'[$100] add PDF file generation (PDF backend)' 1707616;1504207832;asciilifeform;'[$500] Windows Backend' 1707617;1504207834;asciilifeform;waiwaiwai 1707618;1504207835;phf;i ~believe~ that bounties are pulled out of ass by the mcclim stakeholders like beach. "this is tricky and i want it a lot, $500!" 1707619;1504207845;mircea_popescu;yes but... 1707620;1504207854;mircea_popescu;eminent case where better mousetrap would impact. 1707621;1504207870;asciilifeform;also i notice no btc 1707622;1504207870;phf;hmm 1707623;1504207908;mircea_popescu;fwiw this has been open problem in it management since about 1970. 1707624;1504208005;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the library, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d5a7a2efcebf15a1180768407108718b/tumblr_nv9aj4kViP1r63hg3o1_1280.jpg 1707625;1504208031;asciilifeform;imelda!111 1707626;1504208051;mircea_popescu;!~seen jackdaniel 1707627;1504208051;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: I have not seen jackdaniel. 1707628;1504208055;mircea_popescu;orly. 1707629;1504208062;phf;!#seen jackdaniel 1707630;1504208062;a111;I haven't seen jackdaniel 1707631;1504208064;asciilifeform;https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/markknopfler/imelda.html << oblig 1707632;1504208070;mircea_popescu;i actually invited him. 1707633;1504208117;phf;now, or sometime before? 1707634;1504208122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform caribbean blue is no joke btw ; retards from argentina keep whining about their blue sky, but i just saw one today and there's no comparison. 1707635;1504208128;mircea_popescu;just like everything else re that shithole. 1707636;1504208131;mircea_popescu;phf just now. 1707637;1504208145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i liked the apparent nonsunburniness of the ar sky 1707638;1504208160;mircea_popescu;turns out that's pretty much a feature of not-nato 1707639;1504208166;asciilifeform;( nfi how this worked. but i brought none of the horrible grease i need to avoid lobstering back where i live, and burned 0 ) 1707640;1504208203;asciilifeform;... without grease, asciilifeform is good for approx 20min, at high noon. even carries dosimeter thing. 1707641;1504208228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what is all this poor people bs / 1707642;1504208246;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was supposedly about a pinoy coup 1707643;1504208261;asciilifeform;narrative was, Evil Orc Ruler had a wife who bought million shoes. 1707644;1504208270;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1707645;1504208304;mircea_popescu;im sure if ian smith's wife was hot as opposed to one of the anglo-dutch looking bags they'd have said the same. 1707646;1504208322;mircea_popescu;can pretty much exactly follow "civilised" inferiority complex by what they whine re "corruption" in orcs. 1707647;1504208385;asciilifeform;aha, recall ghadafi's nurses. 1707648;1504208412;asciilifeform;'Evil Orc Rapist, why would hot chix so much as touch you if not at gunpoint' etc 1707649;1504208414;mircea_popescu;right. 1707650;1504208456;mircea_popescu;cuz everyhone knows a girl really wants to be just like that dumbass "congressional aide" what was her name, mary tired or what. 1707651;1504208478;mircea_popescu;they don't even have to be total country bumpkins, even a non-yokel would really love to live in washington! 1707652;1504208622;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707563 << nickserv and "pgp thing" entirely different items. simple scheme to avoid this problem is, sign your future keyset now, keep it as a single copy in a usb thumb buried in your wall. then when laptop dies pick the new one. 1707653;1504208622;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 19:14 phf: jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile.. 1707654;1504208624;phf;(i kind of missed the question, but also didn't understand it, so will clarify, that i'm not supporting recent mcclim development, financially or otherwise) 1707655;1504208626;mircea_popescu;!!up jackdaniel 1707656;1504208626;deedbot;jackdaniel voiced for 30 minutes. 1707657;1504208668;jackdaniel;yay, so much fame :-) but I'm only accepting PR's after some testing, nothing to praise for 1707658;1504208671;mircea_popescu;damn i have an issue with sticky urls now. 1707659;1504208680;mircea_popescu;jackdaniel what's a pr ? 1707660;1504208692;jackdaniel;pull request (github thing) 1707661;1504208695;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707437<< nickserv and "pgp thing" entirely different items. simple scheme to avoid this problem is, sign your future keyset now, keep it as a single copy in a usb thumb buried in your wall. then when laptop dies pick the new one. 1707662;1504208695;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x" 1707663;1504208696;mircea_popescu;a ok. 1707664;1504208704;mircea_popescu;jackdaniel dja know any of the fellows ? asciilifeform ? phf ? 1707665;1504208707;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if wall burial, put it near steel struts and other large rf-opaques 1707666;1504208724;mircea_popescu;sure. 1707667;1504208729;jackdaniel;I know phf nick, can't remember where from 1707668;1504208733;mircea_popescu;wasn't giving a recipe, just referencing. 1707669;1504208754;mircea_popescu;jackdaniel so a major item of curiosity for me is how do you calculate the bounty values ? 1707670;1504208796;jackdaniel;I work a bit with code. I asses how hard it will be to fix it, how beneficial fixing it will be and how much resources we have 1707671;1504208808;jackdaniel;then I consult with guys on #clim if my assesments are okaish 1707672;1504208811;mircea_popescu;let me put this question into the model of interest : 1707673;1504208867;mircea_popescu;would having more money at your disposal put an inflationary pressure on bounty levels ? ie, for "same work" (admitting for a moment there's such a thing as work-needed scalar) more money ? conversely, encountering headwinds/making little progress over time/decelerating would deflate bounties ? 1707674;1504208975;jackdaniel;it's hard to read what you write. could you rephrase? 1707675;1504209023;mircea_popescu;let's try. so at the moment you have $1,429 for bounties ; let's say the average bounty pays 10 dollars per quanta of "computer work", however defined. 1707676;1504209043;mircea_popescu;had you $1,429,500 for bounties, would the per-quanta payment increase ? maybe to 11 ? 20 ? 100 ? 1707677;1504209113;jackdaniel;I don't know, I don't think so though 1707678;1504209171;mircea_popescu;hm. are you familiar with bitcoin at all ? 1707679;1504209203;jackdaniel;yes, a tiny bit 1707680;1504209248;jackdaniel;sorry, I'm quite busy now. I've read the log – yes, bounties are arbitrary, or as someone nicely put it "pulled out of ass" by me 1707681;1504209353;mircea_popescu;the question is, are you familiar with the mechanisms which render bitcoin unassailable by alt coins (such as detailed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ ) ? because EXACTLY the same processes are at work tearing apart small independent efforts such as your own, and ultimately are the reason usg ended up as the sole employer in its domains. 1707682;1504209366;jackdaniel;regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on the channel and tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays 1707683;1504209404;jackdaniel;which discouraged users from using mcclim 1707684;1504209443;mircea_popescu;aha. 1707685;1504209483;jackdaniel;no, I'm not that interested in cryptocurriencies to think about them much 1707686;1504209521;jackdaniel;either way, thanks for inviting me so I could confirm/clarifiy some assesments about me. Have a nice evening o/ 1707687;1504209665;phf;i don't think he appreciated my communication style. 1707688;1504209727;mircea_popescu;phf basically what i take his notion to be re the problem is you know, "i'll just mp it", which may seem like a workable idea until one stops to notice that the original mp never actually attempted to guess prices. 1707689;1504209734;mircea_popescu;anyways. 1707690;1504209827;phf;i don't think he can even grok the shape of the criticism 1707691;1504209848;mircea_popescu;possibly not. language perhaps a factor. but i dun speak polish sadly. 1707692;1504209872;mircea_popescu;anyway, this makes 3 out of 3 not supporting this, and amusingly enough in each case for merits. 1707693;1504210250;phf;i'm not understanding the second half of that sentence 1707694;1504210318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doesn't support it because he doesn't like the outer case limits of the design, esp re speed. i am not supporting it because i do not have any faith whatsoever in its financial soundness. you aren't supporting it because hm. 1707695;1504210329;mircea_popescu;i guess i never knew. why weren't you ? 1707696;1504210389;mircea_popescu;(if you're interested by the literalism, "for merit" is one of two ways in which a case can be adjudicated. the other one is on form, such as through lack of standing, lack of jurisdiction, etcetera.) 1707697;1504210428;phf;aah, now i get the whole thing 1707698;1504210580;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'outer case limit' is somewhat of an oversimplification : the thing fitsinhead so poorly, that to this day i am not fully certain why so abominably slow ( other than the abstract fact of 5-6 layers of complexity doing their impedance-mismatch thing together ) 1707699;1504210603;mircea_popescu;well, i had space for five words, what do you want from me. 1707700;1504210657;mircea_popescu;(but yes, the reason i even looked irrespective of that being on the table was the involved complexity and the expectation you're not actually speaking from atop it) 1707701;1504210826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707467 << twelve year old boy does not get bycicle so as to avoid "threat model" of laser shooting wolves and flying tigers and boxing bears with a negro's penis oh my! 1707702;1504210826;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 17:40 fyr: Like I'm not saying it is ~an utterly impossible insurmountable burden~ I'm saying I don't have any threat models for which it makes sense 1707703;1504210847;mircea_popescu;twelve year old boy gets a bike because otherwise the cool kids won't let him hang with them ; and if they do not his whole fucking life is forfeit, as a factual matter. 1707704;1504210878;phf;i'm not sure if mcclim can be "made better" by own hands, but i'm not interested in the direction the bounty team is taking it. i agree with ascii, but i think it could be attempted to reduce it to absolute minimum of moving parts, to establish if the design is fundamentally limited or not. 1707705;1504210881;mircea_popescu;he'll end up counting colored beads in boise, idaho and wondering why jc is following anyone to the toilet for the asking. 1707706;1504210939;trinque;phf: I had a recent thread with the beach character in which "yeah, nobody knows what gadgets are for, can probably go" and so on. 1707707;1504210962;mircea_popescu;what's the loc count on this thing btw ? anyone has it ? submn ? supermn ? 1707708;1504211147;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707469 << afaik this isn't supported by either theory or practice. the harm is exactly same. besides, what'd the negative harm attach to ? the lost identity can't confirm the losing by definition, and a different identity can't attach anything to the original also by definition. so... 1707709;1504211147;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 17:41 fyr: to take on the liability of "don't lose this file or you'll get much more reputational harm than just not registering in the first place" 1707710;1504211194;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707474 << i suppose this is where SFYR comes from. 1707711;1504211194;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 17:43 fyr: I have like less than one lying around on coinbase for use in buying alpaca socks, not like in any serious capacity 1707712;1504211289;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707487 << every time. 1707713;1504211289;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 17:47 fyr: How many times has any ~ghost~ on this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long 1707714;1504211318;mircea_popescu;that's also by definition. we actually don't attach identity to ghosts, liberally confuse them with each other, treat them as "a different" ghost whatever. 1707715;1504211365;mircea_popescu;your notion that you can be a person outside of the wot is you know, exactly like cumdumpster bimbo's notion anyone notices, cares, or recalls. 1707716;1504211405;phf;it's actually pretty small. 150k or so if you don't count the dependencies. i believe that the mcclim team has pulled a bunch of builtin compatability layers and replaced them with portable "community" versions i.e. closer-mop instead of builtin mop facility (metaobject protocol for dealing with CLOS classes), etc. 1707717;1504211461;mircea_popescu;that's not even terribru. imo within "with-own-hands" territory, especially if there's readily ablatable low hanging fruit. 1707718;1504211534;mircea_popescu;but then again, my "imo" is the producer's "imo", "imo you should be able to take that 9 incher up your ass, i've seen plenty of girls do it before." "that exact one ?" "well no" "up this exact ass ?" "well, you're new." "SO THEN!" "face down ass up already, time's money." 1707719;1504211636;phf;(but then so is franz's clim2, 150k or so, which i spent significant time with, trying to make heads or tales of its hairy object manipulation code, and that "9 incher" bit is apropos) 1707720;1504211670;mircea_popescu;heh 1707721;1504211679;mircea_popescu;a-popo s in any case :D 1707722;1504211826;mircea_popescu;phf it's heads or TAILS btw. which is also apropos :D 1707723;1504211942;*;mircea_popescu thinks he's had entirely too much fun this morning ; will bbl. 1707724;1504211959;phf;i claim that my already abysmal spelling has degraded because i'm in slavland 1707725;1504213110;shinohai;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1707726;1504213111;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1707727;1504213139;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707683 < No, moron, I encouraged _you_ to use CLIM, because 1707728;1504213139;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 19:56 jackdaniel: which discouraged users from using mcclim 1707729;1504213139;gabriel_laddel_p;It seems rather strange to me that you’re assigning bounties to “bugs” when it is clear that in many cases you have read neither the spec, nor the code, nor have the slightest idea what is even WRONG in the proposed bug. 1707730;1504213170;gabriel_laddel_p;Separately I also defunded you to an extent, for the simple reason that you have no vision, nor communication ability, nor coding ability, period. 1707731;1504213244;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: CLIM & ether have nothing to do with one another. you are remembering that I A) completed a bounty and then B) was not paid 1707732;1504213284;gabriel_laddel_p;turns out it takes usg/fiat _three months_ to process fucking 200 usd. was eventually paid. never mentioned it bc wtf, 200 use? 1707733;1504213291;gabriel_laddel_p;*usd? who cares. 1707734;1504213341;gabriel_laddel_p;anyways, there is a lot more to address in the above log, but I did get the largest McCLIM backers to date to stop funding the effort. One of them bought a masamune. 1707735;1504213503;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: got how? 1707736;1504213542;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707732 << what means 'to process..' here? 1707737;1504213542;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:01 gabriel_laddel_p: turns out it takes usg/fiat _three months_ to process fucking 200 usd. was eventually paid. never mentioned it bc wtf, 200 use? 1707738;1504213560;gabriel_laddel_p;incidentally, my CLIM implementation is 99,676 lines of lisp code, as calculated by sloccount just now 1707739;1504213584;asciilifeform;that's massive, gabriel_laddel_p 1707740;1504213599;gabriel_laddel_p;incomplete, yes, but there are some fundamental things in CLIM that need to be fixed, such as the notion of a parallel type heigharchy for presentations. 1707741;1504213605;gabriel_laddel_p;fucking idiotic 1707742;1504213640;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: imho can be cut down to an easy 30k loc that will be faster, conceptually "closed" 1707743;1504213650;gabriel_laddel_p;and not so goddamn insane. 1707744;1504213654;trinque;who's going to do it? 1707745;1504213657;trinque;you? 1707746;1504213670;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: well, I do work on this from time to time, yes. 1707747;1504213690;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: first I had to nail down masamune replication. which I actually managed to do 1707748;1504213730;gabriel_laddel_p;(single function call generates a USB that boots into a CLIM environment, no version changes, ever) 1707749;1504213742;trinque;neat. 1707750;1504213750;gabriel_laddel_p;neat doesn't cover it 1707751;1504213757;trinque;no, it does. 1707752;1504213767;trinque;duplicating the contents of a block device is trivial. 1707753;1504213826;trinque;I used to work on a thing that'd multicast images out. say 500 servers pxeboot, slurp image, reboot, post-deploy script runs, and your DC is up 1707754;1504213827;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: it isn't "duplicating the contents of a block device", but rather having that USB able to build itself onto another machine that can in turn generate replication USBs that is the problem 1707755;1504213860;gabriel_laddel_p;maybe I overcomplicated things,but wrote in terms of CPIO format then fed into linux kernel from syslinux. 1707756;1504213873;gabriel_laddel_p;generating CPIO files is... anyways, ascii knows 1707757;1504213896;trinque;at any rate, neat, but the hyperbole is not doing you any favors. 1707758;1504213901;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: what do you mean by "multicast"? 1707759;1504213933;trinque;in the IP sense. 1707760;1504213976;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: if all this is so easy, where is the frozen tsmr gentoo that can do what I described above? 1707761;1504213996;gabriel_laddel_p;and where can I buy a replication USB? 1707762;1504214035;gabriel_laddel_p;I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think we're talking past one another here & have been for some time. 1707763;1504214039;gabriel_laddel_p;(years) 1707764;1504214048;trinque;yeah, you get defensive too quickly. 1707765;1504214128;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm 1707766;1504214135;trinque;anyhow infectious gentoo is sitting on my hd, asciilifeform, whoever else bothered. saying so isn't diminishing you having done it as well. 1707767;1504214217;gabriel_laddel_p;I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy 1707768;1504214255;gabriel_laddel_p;but you know, invite me to stuff & call me "the lisp machine kid" + insist on my showing it off to their idiot friends 1707769;1504214274;trinque;didn't I propose you change tactics a while back? 1707770;1504214276;trinque;how's it gone since then? 1707771;1504214295;shinohai;`you people` 1707772;1504214300;shinohai;hrmpppph 1707773;1504214316;gabriel_laddel_p;shinohai: trinque, phf, ben_vulpes 1707774;1504214328;gabriel_laddel_p;shinohai: in particular. ascii gets a pass for writing loper_os 1707775;1504214331;trinque;ahahaha 1707776;1504214341;trinque;gabriel_laddel_p: right there, you presume to tell asciilifeform whether he "gets a pass" 1707777;1504214363;trinque;yes, dumb fucking kid, still. and a drug-addled wreck to boot. 1707778;1504214372;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: what part of 'no x86, no c, no unix, in the fucking box' is hard to understand? 1707779;1504214389;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: let's put it this way irrespective of anything any of you say, I say the future is going to look like this: 1707780;1504214406;trinque;!!down gabriel_laddel_p 1707781;1504214409;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707767 << they want a lispm. not a 'i can't believe it's not a lispm' 1707782;1504214409;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:16 gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy 1707783;1504214411;trinque;you do not have a declarative relationship with the future 1707784;1504214416;shinohai;^ 1707785;1504214434;asciilifeform;trinque: let the d00d say what he meant 1707786;1504214440;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1707787;1504214440;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1707788;1504214444;trinque;alright. 1707789;1504214452;asciilifeform;trinque: can always kick'im laters 1707790;1504214455;shinohai;aite 1707791;1504214517;gabriel_laddel_p;first concrete step towards sane computing is a tsmr gentoo that is A) self contained B) infectious / replicates as described above C) uses CLIM for all graphics. 1707792;1504214557;gabriel_laddel_p;all existing CLIM implementations have problems. it is an annoying, irritating, but utterly straightforwards process to fix any of the extant CLIM implementations 1707793;1504214578;gabriel_laddel_p;this means that all of the Unix tooling can essentially be dumped in favor of lisp + CLIM. 1707794;1504214608;gabriel_laddel_p;no emacs, but rather a CL editor & so forth. 1707795;1504214645;gabriel_laddel_p;this is essentially what masamune is, admittedly in a ragged & impoverished form, right now, today. 1707796;1504214650;trinque;and how does having a lisp userland atop a massive C kernel help? 1707797;1504214677;trinque;understand that the kernel defines the ways in which userland shall interact with it, and thus shapes userland? 1707798;1504214689;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: because lisp/s-expressions/incremental compilation means that you don't have to make decisions about everything right away. 1707799;1504214737;gabriel_laddel_p;an entire, sane lispm-like (which yes, ascii disagrees with) unix can be had, and then this can meet the hardware implementation "in the middle" 1707800;1504214784;gabriel_laddel_p;specifically, when I say "meet in the middle", a fixed CLIM will run just fine on new tsmr hardware reverse engineered fpga lispm with a minimum amount of fuss 1707801;1504214831;gabriel_laddel_p;it is unclear at this point what the hardware, real lispm implementation is going to look like & I have months of logs to catch up before I begin to even comment on this 1707802;1504214887;gabriel_laddel_p;there are however, a number of issues, such as a how to get rid of floats & what to replace them with that can be safely engineered on the unix-not-even-lispm 1707803;1504214900;gabriel_laddel_p;for example, are you familiar with the book "the end of error"? 1707804;1504214940;gabriel_laddel_p;https://www.amazon.com/End-Error-Computing-Chapman-Computational/dp/1482239868 1707805;1504214975;gabriel_laddel_p;now, I am 100% with ascii that floats have to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what to replace them with. 1707806;1504215008;trinque;how do you bridge the gap between your hyperbolic statements about the future of computing and what you just said? 1707807;1504215037;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: I'm telling you it is going to play out like that, and not in another way. 1707808;1504215044;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: perhaps I'll be shown to be wrong. 1707809;1504215077;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: anywyays, this seems obvious to me. MP has been asking for a tsmr linux for years. if you all have had it floating around FUCKING RELEASE. 1707810;1504215139;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: do you need me to find log references for when he has asked this, or do you remember offhand? 1707811;1504215178;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: or do you disagree with his judgement that such a thing is necessary? 1707812;1504215185;trinque;read the logs, idiot. 1707813;1504215209;trinque;danielpbarron is offering a gentoo lappy iirc. 1707814;1504215220;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: I have seen this. 1707815;1504215225;trinque;asciilifeform: I've lost interest in this thread, all yours. 1707816;1504215251;phf;gabriel_laddel_p: you're moving targets though. if you're building a tmsr linux nobody's going to fault you, but if you're going to approach a bunch of lisp heads with a half assed sbcl environment on a unix machine and tell them it's a "lisp machine", expect nothing but contempt 1707817;1504215274;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: you know "lisping at jpl"? 1707818;1504215293;gabriel_laddel_p;the author saw it, "whoa, a lispm!" 1707819;1504215300;gabriel_laddel_p;"how do I get?" 1707820;1504215364;gabriel_laddel_p;we are going to be getting dinner at some point is my understanding to work out details. 1707821;1504215377;gabriel_laddel_p;but was recently in hospital, so postponed. 1707822;1504215581;gabriel_laddel_p;incidentally, I remembered exactly where the demo to google earth guy went off the rails after logging off last night. 1707823;1504215624;gabriel_laddel_p;he saw, with his own eyes the line count for CLIM, and had worked with the browser for several years. we looked at the loc count for chrome & compared. 1707824;1504215647;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p from their own lists it says it wasn't claimed or something. 1707825;1504215651;mircea_popescu;but it's there, i recall seeing it. 1707826;1504215665;gabriel_laddel_p;he thought 100k loc in one language vs. ~30 million in 20 languages wasn't a big deal. 1707827;1504215692;gabriel_laddel_p;at which point I was sort of curious what the fuck he did all day at google anyways 1707828;1504215779;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p https://archive.is/JBveg#selection-187.0-187.71 1707829;1504215808;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: ah, k. 1707830;1504215827;phf;gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands. 1707831;1504215877;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: I really need to catch up on what you've been up to. 1707832;1504215897;gabriel_laddel_p;still months behind on logs, few days to catch up. 1707833;1504215898;gabriel_laddel_p;+ 1707834;1504215903;mircea_popescu;and re the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707682 let it be stated for the record that self-same gabriel_laddel_p attempted same here, was readily snapped out of it. 1707835;1504215903;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 19:56 jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on the channel and tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays 1707836;1504215943;mircea_popescu;while im not proposing to ~necessarily~ encourage misbehaviours in soldiers, a poorly disciplined troop is the responsibility of the commanding officer and no one else. so no, i dun think much of the quality of authority over there in this context. 1707837;1504215982;mircea_popescu;but this is splitting hairs. 1707838;1504215984;gabriel_laddel_p;for the record, my "unacceptable behavior" was stating outright that windows has no place near the codebase. nor osx. 1707839;1504216006;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p you probably made that point by telling some tanja lange she's fat, in what's becoming signature style. 1707840;1504216057;mircea_popescu;(do i have the right deGRasse account fossVERIFIED btw ? fat blondy ? or am i confusing ghosts.) 1707841;1504216317;mircea_popescu;o dude srsly, still no key ? 1707842;1504216320;mircea_popescu;!!key gabriel_laddel_p 1707843;1504216321;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5787B7B432C4D799A52220EC2991FD97FBEB6F3B.asc 1707844;1504216328;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot gabriel_laddel_p 1707845;1504216329;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: -1 by 3 connections. 1707846;1504216334;mircea_popescu;lordy. 1707847;1504216339;mircea_popescu;!!getratings gabriel_laddel_p 1707848;1504216350;mircea_popescu;!!help 1707849;1504216350;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1707850;1504216373;mircea_popescu;!!rated gabriel_laddel_p 1707851;1504216373;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel_p -1 at 2017/01/30 17:00:14 << turns out the appeal was mostly to bang the head. 1707852;1504216385;mircea_popescu;!!ratings gabriel_laddel_p 1707853;1504216386;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HFCjl/?raw=true 1707854;1504216409;mircea_popescu;!!reputation gabriel_laddel_p 1707855;1504216410;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZCsk4/?raw=true 1707856;1504216442;mircea_popescu;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1707857;1504216442;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1707858;1504216466;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: I have key, but cannot up due to the -1. 1707859;1504216499;mircea_popescu;myeah. if anyone cares to 1 i'll take it off. 1707860;1504216522;*;shinohai yawns, pops popcorn 1707861;1504216605;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707754 << amusingly, this is just about danielpbarron 's eulora set-uper thing. 1707862;1504216605;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:10 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it isn't "duplicating the contents of a block device", but rather having that USB able to build itself onto another machine that can in turn generate replication USBs that is the problem 1707863;1504216677;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707760 << this is precisely why it doesn't exist : cuz people dun think it's a big deal per se, and so can't be bothered to do that before they actually build a disk device full of something they'd actually want replicated. which cuntoo isn't at yet. maybe just on the cusp, i guess. 1707864;1504216677;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:12 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: if all this is so easy, where is the frozen tsmr gentoo that can do what I described above? 1707865;1504216756;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707765 << i'd be surprised if 1 in 10 people here watch any given video. prolly goes to 1 in 2 or 3 re pics, and is 1 in 1.x or even 1.0x re text. so bear that in mind. 1707866;1504216756;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:15 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm 1707867;1504216773;shinohai;The thing with cuntoo is, it *does* exist in the sense that more folx use it as it exists now than they do other non-OS's 1707868;1504216792;mircea_popescu;and speaking of videopix and micro-scopy slides, http://68.media.tumblr.com/119d58c8f88e0383e78afb297c045acc/tumblr_nwug3dH0ri1uesapdo1_500.gif 1707869;1504216804;mircea_popescu;shinohai there is that, yea. 1707870;1504216942;shinohai;mETH, helluva drug 1707871;1504217145;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << i've actually watched the whole video, and commented on it in logs. i'd like to point out that ~before~ watching the video i was making plans to fly to SF in short time to buy a masamune machine 1707872;1504217145;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707765 << i'd be surprised if 1 in 10 people here watch any given video. prolly goes to 1 in 2 or 3 re pics, and is 1 in 1.x or even 1.0x re text. so bear that in mind. 1707873;1504217201;mircea_popescu;heh. 1707874;1504217221;trinque;I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected. 1707875;1504217230;trinque;guy doesn't want money, or to eat. 1707876;1504217261;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575254 1707877;1504217261;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 23:58 phf: gabriel_laddel: well this is my avocation, so hacking on hemlock and installing masamune in sfo is cost equivalent. i'd make a trip just as a mini vacation, i'll see when's the closest i can swing it 1707878;1504217316;phf;but suddenly! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632219 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632224 1707879;1504217316;a111;Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632161 << i just didn't think the video was good. i also can install all the individual packages that are involved, but i wanted to see if and how the symbiosis makes you more productive 1707880;1504217316;a111;Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf: but there was none of that, because there wasn't actually anything being done. i think it would be a lot more impressive if you setup a non trivial task and showed how masamune makes that task easier to perform 1707881;1504217387;mircea_popescu;he's not getting a 1 is he. 1707882;1504217492;phf;a good example of what i mean by "do something nontrivial" is baggers's series on CEPL "pushing pixels with lisp" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMV8p6Lb-bd6UZtTc_QD4zA which shows real time graphics wizardry mediated by an sbcl/emacs 1707883;1504217673;phf;or even marco baringer's slime tutorial which is the original video demonstrating the particular setup that "masamune" is trying to put lipstick on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_4vhsmRRI 1707884;1504217990;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707830 << say moar ? 1707885;1504217990;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:43 phf: gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands. 1707886;1504218128;phf;parker's cadr 1707887;1504218143;asciilifeform;re fpga ( there were various 'i'ma throw something together, with 11 different closed dramcontroller, nic, etc from xilinx lib ) , a german, and i fughet who else, all similar 1707888;1504218146;asciilifeform;oh yea and parker. 1707889;1504218188;phf;the sentece was corny, i meant that "i didn't buy masamune (because ..) but ron garret did" 1707890;1504218216;asciilifeform;since we're on subj, asciilifeform got the recently released ice40-8k (largest in the series) going. ( there's only 1 decent dev board for the 8k, the one released by olimex ~2wks ago ) 1707891;1504218251;asciilifeform;it worx. ( blinkenlichts, couplea hundred universal i/o pins, schematic published ) 1707892;1504218259;asciilifeform;512k of sram (16 bits wide). 1707893;1504218288;asciilifeform;comes with 100MHz clock gen, but has pll, tunable. 1707894;1504218302;asciilifeform;( rather like xilinx, if you're a reformed xilinxist ) 1707895;1504218388;asciilifeform;phf: at some point ( and by this i mean when finished ffa / released 'p' ... ) i'ma have a large board made, with, say, 8 ice40-8k's, and row of dimm-holders... 1707896;1504218481;asciilifeform;!!rated gabriel_laddel_p 1707897;1504218481;deedbot;asciilifeform rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 at 2016/12/01 18:37:11 << possibly == gabriel_laddel 1707898;1504218506;*;asciilifeform smiles the smile of a lazy man -- dun have to do nuffin' 1707899;1504218625;shinohai;!rate asciilifeform 4 dindu `nuffin 1707900;1504218637;shinohai;^_______________^ 1707901;1504218648;asciilifeform;lollamatic 1707902;1504218653;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << ftr, i watched it 1707903;1504218653;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707765 << i'd be surprised if 1 in 10 people here watch any given video. prolly goes to 1 in 2 or 3 re pics, and is 1 in 1.x or even 1.0x re text. so bear that in mind. 1707904;1504218698;asciilifeform;( and no, did not buy a gabriel_laddeltron. though i did mail him a lappy, because he mentioned needing a new comp ) 1707905;1504218712;trinque;that anticounts 1707906;1504218720;trinque;lol 1707907;1504218744;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707874 << d00d forced himself into that mistake, gotta standardize the iron ~somehow~ 1707908;1504218744;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 22:07 trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected. 1707909;1504218878;mircea_popescu;myeah, he sends it to you, "dun werk". well... 1707910;1504218910;mircea_popescu;even extremely well debugged, amply studied set-ups still "dun werk" often enough. like http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-31.log.html#t03:41:37 1707911;1504218911;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-08-31 03:41:37: hi, i'm having a bit of a problem completing the installation process on ubuntu 14.04. For some reason I'm getting error that suggest the CRYSTAL environment variable is not set, when it is. 1707912;1504218924;mircea_popescu;the hope always being "hey, pebkac". but... 1707913;1504218952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: soft-ontop-of-heterogeneous-iron sounded like great thing back in the bad ol' dayz of pdp, bolix, et al... 1707914;1504218958;asciilifeform;but in practice -- not so hot 1707915;1504218981;mircea_popescu;myeah 1707916;1504218998;asciilifeform;crapple, for instance, survived 1990s solely from not committing this atrocity 1707917;1504219004;asciilifeform;and then again in pocket comps 1707918;1504219025;*;trinque may use standard hardware when it means "all carved from diamond by the gods" and not "all haz teh same aids" 1707919;1504219030;trinque;not before 1707920;1504219032;mircea_popescu;media buying. apple survived by being a judicious media buying company. 1707921;1504219060;asciilifeform;trinque: standard iron doesn't have to mean 'standard fritz chip' 1707922;1504219083;asciilifeform;trinque: can also mean 'standard fpga, because why the everliving fuck would you do anything to an fpga except to make it larger' 1707923;1504219088;mircea_popescu;afaik the only known case of "positive roi from this activity over any kind of interval". otherwise sorta "pick pennies in front of steamroller" activity, countless trillions were wasted to date in the attempt. 1707924;1504219092;mircea_popescu;and the pennies are literal pennies. 1707925;1504219092;trinque;asciilifeform: didn't I say as much? 1707926;1504219102;asciilifeform;trinque: possibly elsewhere 1707927;1504219105;trinque;wasn't it lenovo that shipped some backdoor, publically shamed 1707928;1504219118;trinque;asciilifeform: I just did 1707929;1504219118;asciilifeform;trinque: they shipped ( and continue to ship ) winblowz rootkit in-bios 1707930;1504219171;trinque;sure, we don't disagree at all. 1707931;1504219178;asciilifeform;( at same time , intel ships at least 2 independent remote anal punishment holes in chipset; then there are the nic vendors (incl. intel...) and so forth ) 1707932;1504219191;asciilifeform;imho it is not even a very rewarding activity, to catalogue'em all 1707933;1504219202;asciilifeform;it is like listing all of the bullets inside torso of a man who was machine-gunned 1707934;1504219213;asciilifeform;he won't become any less dead, from said listing 1707935;1504219228;trinque;nor to publish a list and say "ohai NSA, here's the list of hardware we all chose from your catalog" eh? 1707936;1504219238;asciilifeform;aha 1707937;1504219265;asciilifeform;i could see the argument for reviews of ~vintage~ iron ( we had a number of threads on subj, incl. the meat thread in c3 ) but that's about it. 1707938;1504219360;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707920 << i was speaking of the greater, imho, puzzler, of the pre-ipod-apple product line -- the comps 1707939;1504219360;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 22:37 mircea_popescu: media buying. apple survived by being a judicious media buying company. 1707940;1504219376;asciilifeform;and how they survived the '90s to present day. ( as in fact the last gasp of the commercialunix world ) 1707941;1504219491;asciilifeform;phf et al : to briefly continue http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707895 -- picture an a4-sized plinth, of, e.g., 32 dimm slots. each can contain a card of sram, or alternatively of 4 ice40-8k's, or some peripheral ( e.g. nic magnetics. ) 1707942;1504219491;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 22:26 asciilifeform: phf: at some point ( and by this i mean when finished ffa / released 'p' ... ) i'ma have a large board made, with, say, 8 ice40-8k's, and row of dimm-holders... 1707943;1504219518;*;trinque has a keybinding to unbind :p 1707944;1504219522;asciilifeform;lol 1707945;1504219825;asciilifeform;re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707910 and g_l , this is actually sop in large industrial equip. -- NOBODY ships $500k robot and 'oh hey here's a stack of cd, install on a winblowz box of your choice', they ship with pc ( and usually display, even ) 1707946;1504219825;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 22:35 mircea_popescu: even extremely well debugged, amply studied set-ups still "dun werk" often enough. like http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-31.log.html#t03:41:37 1707947;1504219826;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-08-31 03:41:37: hi, i'm having a bit of a problem completing the installation process on ubuntu 14.04. For some reason I'm getting error that suggest the CRYSTAL environment variable is not set, when it is. 1707948;1504219896;asciilifeform;often enough the comp ( and the pathetic imitation of an os inside ) is even included in the service contract. 1707949;1504220191;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/bL3CH >> 'the FCC lets you upload any file to their website and make that file publicly accessible using the FCC.gov domain' 1707950;1504220872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform macintosh was showing the same steve jobs signature "actual positive roi media buying". 1707951;1504220899;asciilifeform;which media tho? 1707952;1504220900;mircea_popescu;people keep thinking woz was "the man behind". the sort of people who like to think that and therefore do are also the sort of people who never get anywhere "for no fault of their own". 1707953;1504220913;mircea_popescu;all sorts. from paper mags to obscure network afils. 1707954;1504220915;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: woz was not connected with the mac era 1707955;1504220917;asciilifeform;afaik. 1707956;1504220918;mircea_popescu;jobs did ~nothing else. 1707957;1504220930;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform true, was talking more in general. 1707958;1504220930;trinque;"famous 1984 ad" 1707959;1504220936;mircea_popescu;for instance. 1707960;1504220951;asciilifeform;plenty of now long-dead and rightfully buried vendors bought $maxint ads. 1707961;1504220953;mircea_popescu;anwyay, my point being that wozniak was not the larger part of a woz-jobs team. 1707962;1504220962;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. 1707963;1504220973;mircea_popescu;they - brought the wrong ones. 1707964;1504220980;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have yet to encounter the pov that woz 'was larger part' 1707965;1504220991;mircea_popescu;which is why jobs belongs buried next to ogilvy not next to naggum 1707966;1504220994;asciilifeform;d00d designed a pcb, and wrote a basic for 6502, and afaik ended there 1707967;1504221005;asciilifeform;lolyea 1707968;1504221122;asciilifeform;gotta also recall, the crapple2 comp was nothing particularly special -- commodore cost ~same and was 10x the bang for buck. 1707969;1504221140;mircea_popescu;as is the case with ~any apple offering. 1707970;1504221147;asciilifeform;visicalc crowned crapple. 1707971;1504221147;asciilifeform;( we had, iirc, thread! 1707972;1504221147;asciilifeform;!#s visicalc 1707973;1504221148;a111;14 results for "visicalc", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=visicalc 1707974;1504221150;asciilifeform;) 1707975;1504221192;asciilifeform;hey, when competitors have a habit of cutting off own heads -- almost as good as greatness!11 or sumthinglikethat 1707976;1504221481;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in ic-pr0n, http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/bitdocs-8k << spiffy example of nonpdfized ( per earlier mircea_popescu thread ) hierarchical docs 1707977;1504222350;shinohai;^ generated by python, no less 1707978;1504222848;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DhCs6/?raw=true 1707979;1504222848;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1707980;1504223666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hehe. 1707981;1504223786;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fhTSI/?raw=true 1707982;1504223844;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1) it's obviously unidirectional a->b, yea 2) aite