; ' (Unknown GB WLS BGE)
1668281;1497070398;ben_vulpes;jeez, nov 8th 2014
1668282;1497070404;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1668283;1497070433;ben_vulpes;that's when you fired the declaration of sovereignty
1668284;1497070441;mircea_popescu;ah ah. soon 3yo huh
1668285;1497070458;mircea_popescu;nov is a muchly republican month.
1668286;1497070720;mod6;the tourny starts on the nov 2nd right?
1668287;1497070725;mircea_popescu;yeh
1668288;1497070740;mod6;sweet
1668289;1497070788;ben_vulpes;> heap exhausted
1668290;1497070790;ben_vulpes;heh
1668291;1497070793;mircea_popescu;how long ?
1668292;1497070794;ben_vulpes;MOAR
1668293;1497070797;ben_vulpes;oh not
1668294;1497070803;ben_vulpes;60s
1668295;1497070811;mircea_popescu;S = 1kb sorta thing ?
1668296;1497070812;ben_vulpes;probably including tea-sipping and not watching the debugger
1668297;1497070818;ben_vulpes;oh nonono
1668298;1497070861;ben_vulpes;44808
1668299;1497070875;ben_vulpes;doc is 5601 chars long
1668300;1497071006;ben_vulpes;consing like mad
1668301;1497071165;ben_vulpes;oh man i get to break out the profiler!
1668302;1497071765;mircea_popescu;lel
1668303;1497072780;ben_vulpes;myeah okay logging is expensive, good to know
1668304;1497073057;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: all those consed bytes came from logging
1668305;1497073067;mircea_popescu;ah i c
1668306;1497073490;mod6;io super exepensive / instrumentation is expensive
1668307;1497073504;mod6;good for debugging though
1668308;1497073890;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IIaWC/?raw=true
1668309;1497073907;ben_vulpes;some seven hundred odd seconds to hash the declaration
1668310;1497073922;mircea_popescu;13 page faults, rly ?
1668311;1497073935;ben_vulpes;ya, wut?
1668312;1497073946;mircea_popescu;is that normal ?
1668313;1497073990;ben_vulpes;i only saw it one other time to night (6 of 'em), and i don't remember before
1668314;1497073992;*;ben_vulpes off for a bit
1668315;1497076084;sina;mircea_popescu: still around?
1668316;1497076172;mircea_popescu;ya
1668317;1497076224;sina;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/B5Qxd/?raw=true
1668318;1497076242;sina;https://github.com/sinner-/mpfhf-golang
1668319;1497076372;mircea_popescu;nice!
1668320;1497076382;mircea_popescu;so there's a python, a golang and a cl version nao ?
1668321;1497076398;mircea_popescu;do me a favour sina ; and ben_vulpes : post a copy of your code on the article. archival.
1668322;1497076417;sina;"on the article" ?
1668323;1497076430;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ << comment
1668324;1497076438;sina;ah right yep
1668325;1497076440;sina;doing so now
1668326;1497076495;sina;mircea_popescu: is there any interest in a tmsr company offering stuff like git hosting etc?
1668327;1497076513;mircea_popescu;no, because tmsr uses V.
1668328;1497076515;mircea_popescu;you know about v ?
1668329;1497076555;sina;no
1668330;1497076590;mircea_popescu;ha. didja read the topic ?
1668331;1497076601;sina;mircea_popescu: I pasted the python impl and it mangled my tabbing...I guess I wouldn't care normally but it's going ot be annoying for people to paste that and re-indent, any feature about preserving tabbing in your comment section?
1668332;1497076612;mircea_popescu; ?
1668333;1497076621;sina;I'll repost with pre and you can delete the old one
1668334;1497076630;mircea_popescu;kk
1668335;1497076634;mircea_popescu;or code was it ?
1668336;1497076636;sina;nope
1668337;1497076638;mircea_popescu;try both lol, ill keep one
1668338;1497076640;sina;still mangled
1668339;1497076647;mircea_popescu;kk
1668340;1497076665;sina;mircea_popescu: want me to link to github repos instead?
1668341;1497076692;mircea_popescu;lessee here
1668342;1497076715;sina;I tried to make a C one but then I remembered I haven't touched anything with pointers in about 15 years
1668343;1497076718;mircea_popescu;heh all equally mangled. tsk tsk.
1668344;1497076733;sina;golang is pretty fast these days
1668345;1497076738;sina;and I'm not even on the latest ver
1668346;1497076747;sina;so I settled for that
1668347;1497076757;mircea_popescu;yeah came out way ahead of python huh
1668348;1497076793;mircea_popescu;sina http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-122213
1668349;1497076795;sina;it's pretty much native, and depending on how you write the program it doesn't really need GC
1668350;1497076821;sina;fantastic, tell me how you did it and I'll do the golang one
1668351;1497076844;mircea_popescu;. excewpt i think it strips them if you do it, asec
1668352;1497076846;ben_vulpes;updated againnnn: http://cascadianhacker.com/an-implementation-of-mircea-popescus-fabulous-hash-function
1668353;1497076854;ben_vulpes;sina: with repro cases this time :D
1668354;1497076906;*;ben_vulpes off again again
1668355;1497076934;sina;mircea_popescu: you can fix this one too http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-122214
1668356;1497076948;sina;yeah, I'm off too
1668357;1497076952;sina;this was fun
1668358;1497076962;sina;mircea_popescu: if you have more fun stuff to code pls let me know
1668359;1497076990;sina;I'm not cool like asciilifeform but I can bang some stuff out
1668360;1497077138;*;mircea_popescu is too lazy to add pre to user comments ; i'll jusrt fix by hand heh
1668361;1497077163;mircea_popescu;sina : make sure you look into V eh.
1668362;1497077538;mircea_popescu;!!rated sina
1668363;1497077538;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated sina 1 at 2017/06/03 05:09:48 << missed on all the things!
1668364;1497077554;mircea_popescu;!!rate sina 2 MPFHF canonical implementation.
1668365;1497077555;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tRQbW/?raw=true
1668366;1497077636;mircea_popescu;!!v 98EEDC62094B6E4978458AFEF5836ADFE23C8D58302568110AF6CE2CA7873A9A
1668367;1497077636;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of sina from 1 to 2 << MPFHF canonical implementation.
1668368;1497096020;sina;fuckin lol http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-08#1399543
1668369;1497096020;a111;Logged on 2016-02-08 00:11 maqp: There is no way your system can defeat targeted SIGINT monitoring attack, where government drives within a few hundred meters and collects signals emitted by your keyboard cable.
1668370;1497098390;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1668368 <<< what, some dood struggling for shared basis / an understanding of the world around him. most of the time it involves some flailing about.
1668371;1497098390;a111;Logged on 2017-06-10 12:00 sina: fuckin lol http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-08#1399543
1668372;1497099129;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1668370 <<< mircea_popescu I couldn't help but laugh at someone who is saying everyone should fork ricochet.im and work on it instead, or use OTR or whatever then blurt out that some just-barely-specified software isn't resistant to SIGINT attacks on your keyboard
1668373;1497099129;a111;Logged on 2017-06-10 12:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1668368 <<< what, some dood struggling for shared basis / an understanding of the world around him. most of the time it involves some flailing about.
1668374;1497099142;mircea_popescu;myeah
1668375;1497099162;sina;pretty sure https://github.com/maqp/tfc/wiki/Security-design this uses a keyboard...
1668376;1497099283;mircea_popescu;use wireless keyboard, problem solved :D
1668377;1497099286;mircea_popescu;SSL EVERYWHERE!!!1
1668378;1497099316;sina;don't look at me man, I literally am using a 3072-bit DSA El-Gamal key for some reason
1668379;1497099334;mircea_popescu;lel
1668380;1497099352;mircea_popescu;at least you didn't lose it, which is 100% more than what cvan be said for eulora players.
1668381;1497099386;sina;thank the lord for gpg/rdiff/duplicity and cheap USB keys
1668382;1497099472;mircea_popescu;including http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-22.log.html#t23:16:39 (tl;dr : dood got asked to not come back a year ago over being overexcitable asshat ; came back year later begged for forgiveness which was granted -- only to discover he had lost his key)
1668383;1497099473;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-05-22 23:16:39: but i really think i should be allowed to come back
1668384;1497099522;sina;I just watched Dave Chappelle latest comedy thing, fucking hilarious
1668385;1497099548;mircea_popescu;o, he still working ?
1668386;1497099566;sina;first gig in 10y he makes jokes about it
1668387;1497099591;sina;"The Age of Spin" it was called.
1668388;1497099602;mircea_popescu;aha
1668389;1497099848;sina;how many active users does eulora have?
1668390;1497099865;mircea_popescu;depends on your definition of active.
1668391;1497099885;mircea_popescu;adds about 4-5k play hours per month
1668392;1497099921;sina;are most players drawn from the general vicinity of this and related chans? or internet randoms too?
1668393;1497099930;mircea_popescu;so so
1668394;1497099951;mircea_popescu;i mean obv being bitcoin pegged it attracts lots of bitcoin/altcoin folks
1668395;1497100031;sina;interesting
1668396;1497100040;sina;I also had some fun this evening reading teh logs
1668397;1497100052;mircea_popescu;there you mean ?
1668398;1497100070;sina;no here. gossipd, libsodium/nacl, trump...a few other things I searched
1668399;1497100075;mircea_popescu;a yea
1668400;1497100086;sina;hilarity all round
1668401;1497100100;mircea_popescu;there was a younger, more naive time when we seriously wanted someone to condense the logs
1668402;1497100103;mircea_popescu;it... died.
1668403;1497100111;sina;define condense?
1668404;1497100133;mircea_popescu;produce a summary of each day so that no lulz are missed
1668405;1497100238;sina;that sounds like a pretty difficult task
1668406;1497100257;sina;short of hiring a "reporter"
1668407;1497100261;mircea_popescu;its rather impossible.
1668408;1497100271;mircea_popescu;for one thing, diffrent lulz for different poeople
1668409;1497100424;sina;real news http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-10/hawaiian-pizza-investor-sam-panopoulos-dies/8607108
1668410;1497100463;sina;greek man who invented hawaiian pizza in canada, dead
1668411;1497100473;mircea_popescu;wasn't he very old ?
1668412;1497100486;sina;he was 83
1668413;1497100491;mircea_popescu;i recall them trotting him out periodically, "rich man! made by ourdemocracy! you could be next!!1" sorta bs.
1668414;1497100667;sina;oh yeah I saw this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667584
1668415;1497100667;a111;Logged on 2017-06-09 08:46 sina: do you know if the src for phuctor is avail?
1668416;1497100687;sina;asciilifeform greatest pet hate: people embracing and extinguishing things
1668417;1497100711;sina;oops sorry this one http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667701
1668418;1497100711;a111;Logged on 2017-06-09 15:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667584 << it is not, and ain't going to be, i'm not especially interested in helping folx to 'embrace and extinguish' it. as far as i'm concerned, 100% of the output is verifiable with the bignum calculator of your choice (e.g. 'bc') and it is no concern of anybody's how it was obtained.
1668419;1497100740;mircea_popescu;possibly one of ~.
1668420;1497100790;mircea_popescu;well, in the particular case of phuctor, he has a solid point.
1668421;1497100814;mircea_popescu;there's this cloud of "academia" retards who have been pointedly ignoring / not citing it while publishing useless crap on the general topic.
1668422;1497100823;mircea_popescu;the empire's desire to eat it up is palpable.
1668423;1497100894;mircea_popescu;starting with http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you
1668424;1497102209;sina;it's a very interesting topic
1668425;1497102229;sina;I just went down the rabbit hole of links from that one
1668426;1497102269;mircea_popescu;mirrors neatly how all sorts of dorks have been trying to create exactly the same, "just as good as bitcoin with just a bit of censorship" sort of bs.
1668427;1497102287;mircea_popescu;which, for the people who were here for the original pgp wars, sounds like the empire never goes to school.
1668428;1497102558;sina;something I have been looking into as well, kind of related in the testing-for-weakness-to-validate-sanity sense, is this program "cbmc"
1668429;1497102599;sina;its a bounded model checker for C, you can use it to verify the correctness of whole programs but since it is a bit slow/brute force approach, normally you only can use it to test critical functions
1668430;1497102653;mircea_popescu;afaik there';s a bunch of these
1668431;1497102720;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E067D0421219659A91640D63AEA02CE62DBA55E41E751CD2DB2EDF941EDAFCC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1661...3409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.218.255.162 (ssh-rsa key from 37.218.255.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (server01.platzer-werbung.de. DE)
1668432;1497102720;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E067D0421219659A91640D63AEA02CE62DBA55E41E751CD2DB2EDF941EDAFCC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1450...0303 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.218.255.162 (ssh-rsa key from 37.218.255.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (server01.platzer-werbung.de. DE)
1668433;1497102741;sina;yes I believe so. it'd be interesting to run them against, for example, important gpg functions or similar
1668434;1497102770;mircea_popescu;gpg is slated for a rewrite, actually, since it became obvious koch's a dedicated saboteur.
1668435;1497102821;*;sina notes to search the logs for koch tomorrow
1668436;1497102826;sina;for now, bedtime, getting late here
1668437;1497102828;sina;good evening
1668438;1497102831;mircea_popescu;tada
1668439;1497102946;BingoBoingo;http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/attack-sjw-criticizes-victim-cursing-muslims/
1668440;1497103032;BingoBoingo;England has no "Great Again"
1668441;1497103046;mircea_popescu;what'd it need it for.
1668442;1497103240;BingoBoingo;Making life better for Reverse-Indians
1668443;1497103250;mircea_popescu;heh
1668444;1497103264;BingoBoingo;Those Anglos living under Indian colonial domination
1668445;1497103294;mircea_popescu;fuck them.
1668446;1497103453;BingoBoingo;http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/ << No, you can not have your cake
1668447;1497103462;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/hjpv5
1668448;1497103486;mircea_popescu;well yes, ashkenazi = us jews = nigger jews.
1668449;1497103493;mircea_popescu;the euro jews = proper jews = ded.
1668450;1497103774;BingoBoingo;But still the irony.
1668451;1497103818;mircea_popescu;what ? that they spent a few centuries passing for white while white ruled the world but now that white got some indescript malaise they'll pass for "something else" ie "of color" ?
1668452;1497103971;BingoBoingo;I don't think they'll pass. Not to Tyrone and Petrus/
1668453;1497103975;BingoBoingo;https://www.dailystormer.com/boomer-parasites-head-for-ecuador-after-bleeding-america-dry/
1668454;1497103980;BingoBoingo;^ In other hates
1668455;1497104233;mircea_popescu;it's still not altogether clear tyrone & petrus actually matter in this complex social game.
1668456;1497104246;mircea_popescu;my money's on "notrly", but hey, mebbe im biased.
1668457;1497104367;BingoBoingo;Well, matter in the sense of being environmental hazards.
1668458;1497104383;mircea_popescu;on the level of mooks.
1668459;1497104736;BingoBoingo;ah, well the amount of danger a mook creates depends on what the locals trust em to do
1668460;1497105177;mircea_popescu;there ios that
1668461;1497105435;BingoBoingo;You put Jew that passed for white last year on PetrusofColor radar, and Petrus is going to remember because it's what Petrus does instead of being the dogman
1668462;1497105454;mircea_popescu;ya think ?
1668463;1497105787;BingoBoingo;tends to be a more targeted hazard than "mook was allowed to operate heavy machinery"
1668464;1497105934;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7948&pr=1
1668465;1497106763;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/opiate-overdoses-now-leading-cause-of-pre-geriatric-mortality-in-us/ << Qntra - Opiate Overdoses Now Leading Cause Of Pre-Geriatric Mortality In US
1668466;1497106782;mircea_popescu;win.
1668467;1497106810;mircea_popescu;a while back they started trying to prosecute all overdose deaths as manslaughter-by-dealer. getting desperate, obviously.
1668468;1497107077;BingoBoingo;Here in Illinois they inestigate to prosecute as murder by dealer, much progress
1668469;1497107275;BingoBoingo;*investigate
1668470;1497107406;BingoBoingo;likely within 5 years dope selling on street will be prosecuted as "attempted murder" with zero CIA traffickers hung
1668471;1497107435;mircea_popescu;and it still wont do anything
1668472;1497107452;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em, let the beautiful ratpeople choke in their own vomit, the sooner the empire ends the better.
1668473;1497108641;BingoBoingo;Still, I would like to see the ranking if "complications of being a fat fuck" were consolidated and entered on list. Overdose would likely still win under 25 list, but age where "fat fuck" begins to beat overdose inspires curiosity.
1668474;1497108680;BingoBoingo;Probably between 28 and 36
1668475;1497108706;mircea_popescu;interesting q indeed
1668476;1497108849;BingoBoingo;Investigation likely impossible because fat fuck doctors would lie "healthy 600 pound 23 year old" when heart attack, etc
1668477;1497108865;mircea_popescu;heh
1668478;1497109007;BingoBoingo;Kinda like how US jooz will become people of color when Petrus gets resentful and father's their daughter's children
1668479;1497109021;BingoBoingo;*too many apostrophe
1668480;1497109022;BingoBoingo;brb
1668481;1497113229;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-strange-case-of-the-red-stapler-and-other-related-stories/ << Trilema - The Strange Case of The Red Stapler and Other Related Stories
1668482;1497115046;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/95AD068E858895A7C47AC724798C00D1F803610BB9D9D8F1E5E0335997752505 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1410...7279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '124.146.165.141 (ssh-rsa key from 124.146.165.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (st0045.nas981.kobe.nttpc.ne.jp. JP 13)
1668483;1497115046;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/95AD068E858895A7C47AC724798C00D1F803610BB9D9D8F1E5E0335997752505 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...6453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '124.146.165.141 (ssh-rsa key from 124.146.165.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (st0045.nas981.kobe.nttpc.ne.jp. JP 13)
1668484;1497121328;ben_vulpes;!!up eplogos
1668485;1497121328;deedbot;eplogos voiced for 30 minutes.
1668486;1497121842;ben_vulpes;> Con una mentalidad Socialista en progreso << ahaha sina is this yours?
1668487;1497121896;ben_vulpes;ah, no, wrong sinner apparently
1668488;1497123060;*;asciilifeform picked cherries all day
1668489;1497123179;BingoBoingo;OMG elitist! What about all the not cherry fruits like nectarines and peaches!
1668490;1497123322;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: only other one we have is figs
1668491;1497123955;BingoBoingo;Oh, there are no figs here.
1668492;1497124155;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/58GKp/?raw=true
1668493;1497124155;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1668494;1497124208;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Are you sure this is new? Sounds familiar
1668495;1497124407;shinohai;Maybe so ... I am quite sure the EFF lawsuit mentioned within is recent. The date seems to agree.
1668496;1497124410;*;shinohai shrugs
1668497;1497124432;mod6;cherries sounds good. is there an abundance of fruit yielding cherry trees near you?
1668498;1497124780;mircea_popescu;lol alf finallyt found alt-programmer non-office job
1668499;1497124788;mircea_popescu;temporary farm work!1
1668500;1497124800;asciilifeform;mod6: relatives'
1668501;1497124982;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not for market, for pie, lol
1668502;1497124997;BingoBoingo;Still woark
1668503;1497125000;mircea_popescu;lol
1668504;1497125022;mircea_popescu;in other ghettos, gang of porto ricans down the street is throwing a PARTAY!!!!
1668505;1497125046;mircea_popescu;you've not seen something like this, 100% 20something dudes in shorts and tshirts looking like bitches in heat won'\t fuck them.
1668506;1497125087;mircea_popescu;and portorican music is apparently made by an ashkenazi gang of elevator music composers gone rogue.
1668507;1497125213;BingoBoingo;Fucking ashkeNAZIS
1668508;1497125233;mircea_popescu;cuz they dominate muzak amirite ? lord's of tin alley ?
1668509;1497125915;ben_vulpes;crapp store lols: http://archive.is/pxrWl
1668510;1497129386;mircea_popescu;!!up alex__c
1668511;1497129386;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
1668512;1497130158;mircea_popescu;!!up photoelectric
1668513;1497130158;deedbot;photoelectric voiced for 30 minutes.
1668514;1497132984;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-best-thing-you-can-do-for-your-career-is-to-take-a-stay-at-home-wife << CH - The best thing you can do for your career is to take a stay-at-home wife
1668515;1497136504;sina;https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/09/world/europe/ukraine-assassin-russia-putin-amina-okuyeva.html
1668516;1497136521;sina;that was a fun read this morning
1668517;1497136542;mircea_popescu;tl;dr ?
1668518;1497136610;sina;a ukranian lady and her husband are minor celebs for fighting against the russians in donetsk or wherever, Ukranian press loves em
1668519;1497136625;sina;Chechen assassin poses as Le Monde reporter to try and kill them
1668520;1497136648;mircea_popescu;and putin is related to this because russian hackers ?
1668521;1497136659;sina;the lady is a badass and has a gun/blod clotting agent, shoots the assassin 4 times after he shoots her husband
1668522;1497136669;mircea_popescu;o.O
1668523;1497136715;sina;its NYT so Putin will be mentioned in everything, but Ukranian intel says they have no firm evidence it was the Ruskis (in the article)...of course it probably was but that's not the bit of the story that's interesting
1668524;1497136755;mircea_popescu;ya nb story.
1668525;1497136810;sina;this is my fav bit:
1668526;1497136811;sina;As they drove, Mr. Denisultanov-Kurmakayev asked the pair to stop the car for an interview and to sit in the back to receive the gift, which he carried in a festive red cardboard box.
1668527;1497136815;sina;As the couple sat in the back seat of the car, Mr. Denisultanov-Kurmakayev said, “‘Now, here is your gift,’” Ms. Okuyeva said. He opened the box, pulled out a gun and opened fire on Mr. Osmayev.
1668528;1497136836;sina;massive lul, hide the gun in a red box
1668529;1497136854;mircea_popescu;much tv.
1668530;1497136873;sina;mircea_popescu: do you ever sleep?
1668531;1497136884;mircea_popescu;depends what you mean by sleep.
1668532;1497136895;mircea_popescu;sometimes, i wait.
1668533;1497136916;sina;I just mean you're always online
1668534;1497136920;sina;or seem to be
1668535;1497136932;mircea_popescu;it's a joke!
1668536;1497136958;*;shinohai imagines mircea_popescu sleeps like parakeet, with one eye open ....
1668537;1497136966;mircea_popescu;i thought that's like a rabbit
1668538;1497136976;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, do you know why rabbits sleep with their eyes open ?
1668539;1497137015;sina;y
1668540;1497137027;shinohai;To keep eye on predators?
1668541;1497137030;mircea_popescu;only got so much skin. if they try to close their eyes their foreskin retracts.
1668542;1497137040;sina;lmao
1668543;1497137041;shinohai;O.o
1668544;1497137043;shinohai;lel
1668545;1497137065;sina;I demand a reference
1668546;1497137085;mircea_popescu;i read it in the new york times.
1668547;1497137092;*;sina falls off chair
1668548;1497137099;shinohai;./thread
1668549;1497146804;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4176ED024FBF368E4C0C44AFD616CB2E7C5DD5A4762091F044381E1170551F40 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...1007 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.235.230.56 (ssh-rsa key from 81.235.230.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (81-235-230-56-no78.tbcn.telia.com. SE O)
1668550;1497146804;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4176ED024FBF368E4C0C44AFD616CB2E7C5DD5A4762091F044381E1170551F40 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1658...3833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.235.230.56 (ssh-rsa key from 81.235.230.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (81-235-230-56-no78.tbcn.telia.com. SE O)
1668551;1497153477;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1668552;1497153486;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2870.97, vol: 9927.44067247 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2825.0, vol: 6003.22659 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2813.7, vol: 17696.59304434 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2993.643868, vol: 12572.11720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2800.098, vol: 6575.92969603 | Volume-weighted last average: 2866.92963975
1668553;1497153590;trinque;aw shit, I just put all my life savings into ethereum.
1668554;1497153595;trinque;pls halp.
1668555;1497153651;mod6;lol
1668556;1497153874;sina;trinque: there is a DApp for that
1668557;1497154937;mircea_popescu;ethereum-crap or ethereum-shit ?
1668558;1497154952;mircea_popescu;THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU ANSWER!!! THE QUESTION MAKES A DIFFERENCE!
1668559;1497155020;BingoBoingo;shart.ethereum.wet introduces still moar complications
1668560;1497155052;trinque;being a cryptocoins expert, I chose crap. shit is against the community guidelines.
1668561;1497155143;mircea_popescu;ah i see
1668562;1497155153;mircea_popescu;well you're crap outta luck then. sorry for your flush.
1668563;1497155215;trinque;d'oh
1668564;1497155271;trinque;in other failed social theories, I bought that Britannica Great Books of the Western World
1668565;1497155289;trinque;1952
1668566;1497155345;trinque;pretty decent bundle of classics and so on, but the first volume in the thing presents, of course, a feverish pitch for "(presumably free) liberal education for all"
1668567;1497155520;trinque;couple of strikingly self aware lines in there, along the lines of "if it is impossible to educate every man with the great books of the west, aristotle was right and the mass of humanity are unfit for anything but slavery"
1668568;1497155587;trinque;and of course, it appears the thing was received as "omg what is this anthology of dead european men" and "this math is too hard! unfair!"
1668569;1497156672;mircea_popescu;heh.
1668570;1497156700;mircea_popescu;in other such lulz, apparently egbert-shillbert-shitforbrains w/e his name is now enthusiastically supports something caled segweb 2.0 ?
1668571;1497156718;mircea_popescu;it'll never end, this constant stream of improved improvements, until they're literally fucking buried, the muppets, will it.
1668572;1497156810;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6DC42B8DC3F0690251A7CEFBD5E1B1DB674A82C29EE43071298267D2CCA1B94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...5963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.196.165.14 (ssh-rsa key from 217.196.165.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (kogpi.edu.te.ua. UA)
1668573;1497156810;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6DC42B8DC3F0690251A7CEFBD5E1B1DB674A82C29EE43071298267D2CCA1B94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...7043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.196.165.14 (ssh-rsa key from 217.196.165.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (kogpi.edu.te.ua. UA)
1668574;1497156816;trinque;lying shitbag hopes you'll unwind 'em one by one instead of cutting his knot
1668575;1497156846;mircea_popescu;meanwhile chasing manufactured nonsense such as "core devs" and "miner consensus conference" and etcetera.
1668576;1497156889;mircea_popescu;didn't work in 2012, back when the whole bitcoin market cap was < mp's net worth. it's going to work five years later, with 50 bn btc ? because why, everyone's kakobrekla and wealth makes them too stupid to survive ?
1668577;1497157006;BingoBoingo;Just remember, there's a spooky skeleton inside you
1668578;1497157066;mircea_popescu;and with enough radithor, you could see it when it's dark in your room!
1668579;1497157280;trinque;http://archive.is/DLQdg << make sure your bottle is certified
1668580;1497157716;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/ << Anyway Shillybum's websit 2.0 was already Qntricated
1668581;1497157749;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha.
1668582;1497159117;BingoBoingo;HOLYFUCKSTICKS http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/10/police-suspect-shoots-victim-using-shotgun-shell-rice-krispies/
1668583;1497160760;mircea_popescu;thius is good for krispiescoin
1668584;1497161024;BingoBoingo;for srs
1668585;1497187463;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E102CACE1AAC63761285CC2BA5F8D29352B2160F37ABCCBD9FD7612192479CC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1221...4647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.30 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1668586;1497187463;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E102CACE1AAC63761285CC2BA5F8D29352B2160F37ABCCBD9FD7612192479CC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.30 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1668587;1497187463;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4138E3BD4EFECB12B67342E2EEA7E462FB04937FE52CB859AB95E24A0E2E419 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.108 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1668588;1497187463;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/43360F99EBE054B997E3229DCAFB72C7EC8A8AA7B14A0BA8B8F45F51451C8569 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.107 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1668589;1497187463;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4138E3BD4EFECB12B67342E2EEA7E462FB04937FE52CB859AB95E24A0E2E419 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1237...4767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.108 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1668590;1497187464;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/43360F99EBE054B997E3229DCAFB72C7EC8A8AA7B14A0BA8B8F45F51451C8569 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1237...4767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.107 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1668591;1497187961;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59B14B5EC91F8CC356C728E87A72716CF2500AF2C700939C7B7703E8AA27B4F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1508...2407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.232.33.244 (ssh-rsa key from 212.232.33.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.yarobltour.ru. RU YAR)
1668592;1497187961;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59B14B5EC91F8CC356C728E87A72716CF2500AF2C700939C7B7703E8AA27B4F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1423...4273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.232.33.244 (ssh-rsa key from 212.232.33.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.yarobltour.ru. RU YAR)
1668593;1497196380;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency gbp
1668594;1497196387;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 2310.168394, vol: 8798.21904224 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 2247.4859154, vol: 7144.06502 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 2382.280672, vol: 12140.73220000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 2216.276, vol: 87.96329911 | Volume-weighted last average: 2325.05708707
1668595;1497196403;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency eur
1668596;1497196408;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 2629.634709, vol: 8791.18977682 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 2509.36708, vol: 137.92842 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 2712.4902, vol: 12140.19920000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 2580.0, vol: 13774.1766582 | Volume-weighted last average: 2638.40583255
1668597;1497196418;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1668598;1497196421;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2944.39, vol: 8790.39293561 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2864.599, vol: 7144.06502 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2949.7, vol: 22084.37849623 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3036.5853, vol: 12140.45820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2899.999, vol: 6035.27513696 | Volume-weighted last average: 2951.48351894
1668599;1497202271;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/11/out-with-saddam-in-with-usain-or-blackzilla-unchained-or-the-1000-car-project-ou-lobjet-epeurant-or-breadwinners-delight-or-possibly-some-other-title-but-mostly-pete-bought-yet-another-c/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Out with Saddam, in with Usain. Or Blackzilla unchained. Or the $1000* car project. Ou l’objet épeurant. Or breadwinner’s delight. Or possibly some other title but mostly “Pete bought
1668600;1497203560;*;BingoBoingo suggests honda goldwing 'valkyrie' for pete_dushenski's next mid life crisis
1668601;1497203604;mircea_popescu;lmao
1668602;1497203655;mircea_popescu;wtf is with all the lawnmowers anyway. took bmw over to "european motors" shop, everything in the fucking yard was shitty azn makes.
1668603;1497203671;mircea_popescu;what, "european by alliance" cars nao ?
1668604;1497203692;BingoBoingo;Well, yeah.
1668605;1497203697;mircea_popescu;pshaw.
1668606;1497203714;BingoBoingo;Everyone but japs forgot how to make car-baby
1668607;1497203722;BingoBoingo;While japs forgot how to make baby
1668608;1497203779;BingoBoingo;And japs now rent "how we make car-baby" process to brands clinging to other flags
1668609;1497203985;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Goldwing prolly has more comfy seat than Blackzilla
1668610;1497204417;BingoBoingo;But yes, lawnmowers are the future. Time for BMW to start offering 3 point hitches so can tow rough cut mower
1668611;1497204810;mircea_popescu;sigh
1668612;1497206174;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The thing is you buy one car every 12 years for light volcano to beach transit. That doesn't make an industry, so to solve this retailer has to borrow from mass market lawnmowers to offer a carriage to mircea_popescu that might avoid smiting
1668613;1497206257;BingoBoingo;Retailer dressed as a "dealer" has either offer a carriage or a lawnmower convincingly dressed as a carriage.
1668614;1497206264;BingoBoingo;Latter's cheaper to do.
1668615;1497206960;mircea_popescu;ah, but i buy one car for each journeyman slavegirl./
1668616;1497206963;mircea_popescu;that makes for a lot of cars.
1668617;1497206970;BingoBoingo;Oh, ic
1668618;1497206998;BingoBoingo;Maybe you ought to produce a spec and assign a slavegirl to start a coachbuilding empire?
1668619;1497207008;mircea_popescu;sort of an baccaratlaureat if you will.
1668620;1497207020;mircea_popescu;yeah, eventually, but not quite there yet.
1668621;1497207261;BingoBoingo;Well eventually TMSR will get to stainless steel vehicle frames
1668622;1497208783;BingoBoingo;!~google fiat malaise
1668623;1497208784;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Fiat's Woes A Symptom Of Italy's Industrial Malaise : NPR: ; Fiat Currencies Appear To Enter Period Of Sustained Malaise | Qntra: ; Fiat's Woes A Symptom Of Italy's Industrial Malaise | WAMU: (1 more message)
1668624;1497208900;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/fiatbitcoin-interfaces-catch-up-to-dollars-fall-below-13000th-of-a-bitcoin/ << Qntra - fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Catch Up To Dollar's Fall Below 1/3000th Of A Bitcoin
1668625;1497209866;mircea_popescu;!~ticker
1668626;1497209867;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 2927.7, Best ask: 2928.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 2927.7, 24 hour volume: 21559.51514671, 24 hour low: 2711.1, 24 hour high: 3003.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1668627;1497229647;sina;good morning all
1668628;1497229652;sina;public holiday here in AU!
1668629;1497229686;sina;it's a beautiful day after raining all weekend, and from my education birds are having sex with bees
1668630;1497230615;mircea_popescu;sina anal day in upside down land ?
1668631;1497231195;sina;mircea_popescu: haha do I dare ask the meaning of "anal day"?
1668632;1497231207;mircea_popescu;didn;'t you say it was a holiday down under ?
1668633;1497231218;sina;I did
1668634;1497231223;mircea_popescu;down under...
1668635;1497231246;mircea_popescu;upside down...
1668636;1497231254;mircea_popescu;GET IT ?
1668637;1497231255;mircea_popescu;it's a poon!
1668638;1497231265;sina;haha yeah, here "down under" is literally burned into the subconcious to mean "Australia" so we don't grok the phrase the same way
1668639;1497231284;sina;it doesn't receive identicall connotations :P
1668640;1497231297;mircea_popescu;identicanal conturbations
1668641;1497231310;hanbot;lol gratuitous pooning
1668642;1497231337;mircea_popescu;lol.
1668643;1497231351;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, isn't it a wonder latrina isn't a racial slur ?
1668644;1497231366;mircea_popescu;i mean, "i dunno what's with todd these days, he keeps fucking all these latrinas"...
1668645;1497231368;mircea_popescu;certainly works.
1668646;1497231443;sina;I dunno, I feel like it's a bit in the vein of "winblows"
1668647;1497231474;sina;Stallmanesque insults
1668648;1497231480;mircea_popescu;hm
1668649;1497231493;sina;mircea_popescu: are you secretly Richard Stallman?
1668650;1497231496;sina;that'd make so much sense!
1668651;1497231499;hanbot;sina yer just a downer under ;D
1668652;1497231503;mircea_popescu;no. for one thing my beard's way cooler.
1668653;1497231548;sina;I have a fierce craving for burger today
1668654;1497231633;mircea_popescu;that is good for burgercoin.
1668655;1497231638;sina;hey I was going to ask about WoT
1668656;1497231647;sina;so is deedbot the canonical WoT source?
1668657;1497231653;mircea_popescu;go on ?
1668658;1497231655;mircea_popescu;yeah
1668659;1497231677;sina;and I noticed you can ask it for an S-expression of the entire WoT, that's cool
1668660;1497231681;sina;so you can run your own "slave"
1668661;1497231689;mircea_popescu;yup
1668662;1497231693;sina;but, deedbot doesn't slave to anything itself?
1668663;1497231770;sina;so (and maybe I am missing the point), you can't really "run your own node"
1668664;1497231783;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
1668665;1497231872;sina;um...as in, the logical topology of the WoT is a ...web... but to join the web you enter via a tree structure where the root is master, and all other nodes are slaves
1668666;1497231883;sina;(deedbot being the root)
1668667;1497231884;mircea_popescu;you're conflating things.
1668668;1497231899;mircea_popescu;to enter the web, you have to have a rating.
1668669;1497231927;sina;but one can only be rated via deedbot
1668670;1497231944;sina;not saying that is good or bad, just asking in the general capability of the system
1668671;1497231954;mircea_popescu;now, the formalism for recording that rating currently in overwhelming use is !!rate. there is no rule that thios must be so. it is currently so for convenience, and because deedbot is trustworthy. either of these can change, but this would affect little : the party who trusts you can enter that trust into the public record through whatever command
1668672;1497232084;sina;the reason I ask is because last night I was thinking of a more coin style WoT, where everyone runs a node, there is an immutable shared log of ratings
1668673;1497232093;mircea_popescu;why ?
1668674;1497232114;sina;because I sometimes think things? :P
1668675;1497232128;sina;it means you can rate from any node
1668676;1497232133;mircea_popescu;yes, but for the things in your head to be called thinking, they must proceed form a basis. what is here the basis ?
1668677;1497232265;sina;the basis I guess is, substituing the trustworthiness of a single bot with a cryptographic chain, being able to run your own "full node" of the WoT, which gives access to secondary/tertiary networks to participate via a gateway, etc
1668678;1497232304;sina;not arguing this should be done, only relating the source of my thoughts which lead to the questions
1668679;1497232312;sina;because I didn't know, maybe deedbot already does this kind of thing
1668680;1497232314;mircea_popescu;did you read an' understand the "what the wot is" article ?
1668681;1497232378;sina;is that the deedbot.org/help.html page?
1668682;1497232382;mircea_popescu;no.
1668683;1497232397;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
1668684;1497232457;sina;reading now, so you think the idea contravenes those principles?
1668685;1497232472;mircea_popescu;i think the idea discusses an item not related to the actual item.
1668686;1497232500;mircea_popescu;much like "wouldn't it be cool to make cars out of cardboard, they'd be easier to paint that way" misses the whole car thing
1668687;1497232760;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the problem with cardboard is keeping it painted
1668688;1497233407;sina;mircea_popescu: can you walk me through the hypothetical example case where you have woken up one morning and decided for some valid reason (e.g. deedbot WoT contents no longer match your local copy) that deedbot is no longer trustworthy but urgently want to enter a rating for me of -10 into the public record?
1668689;1497233436;sina;do you just post a message here saying "deedbot sucks, I have rates sina -10 in my local copy, which should now be considered canonical via mpbot"?
1668690;1497233452;mircea_popescu;for instance.
1668691;1497233483;mircea_popescu;in practice it'd likely look a lot more like hey trinque wtf is this, followed by everyone perking up and an answer of some kind being produced and so on.
1668692;1497233524;sina;lets say trinque modified it himself because he got syphilis
1668693;1497233531;mircea_popescu;the fundamental flaw in your earlier mental process, which is periodically discussed in the logs, is that you try to take trust as an objective. trust isn't an objective, the reason i trust you is because I TRUST YOU, not because deedbot says i do. and the ONLY use of the knowledge that i trust you is that you can ask me about you. nothing else.
1668694;1497233570;mircea_popescu;exactly opposite of the imperial certificate bullshit, which is 100% george costanza going "it's true i did nothing all week, but bear in mind i am in the smaller office". ie, "can you doctor ?" "no, not rly... but i do have a doctoring CERTIFICATE"
1668695;1497233628;sina;CostanzaBot
1668696;1497233639;mircea_popescu;but anyway -- if he modified them himself he gets to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
1668697;1497233710;sina;I think I asked you this long ago, but you keep a local copy of the WoT and expect others to as well right?
1668698;1497233734;mircea_popescu;not really expect anything. people are supposed to do their own thinking for themselves. but i expect i'd notice if my ratings weren't right.
1668699;1497233770;mircea_popescu;then again, maybe i wouldn't.
1668700;1497233779;mircea_popescu;review the gossipd discussions, they're instructive on the topic.
1668701;1497233789;sina;yes I have been working my way through those
1668702;1497233801;mircea_popescu;aha.
1668703;1497233802;sina;although there seems to be a huge amount of contention
1668704;1497233811;sina;between how you view those discussions and for example, asciilifeform
1668705;1497233826;mircea_popescu;in fairness it's a large ball of yarn and while it flows splendidly from itself, nevertheless it does flow exactlty opposite to ~everyone's acculturation in the soviet empire.
1668706;1497233876;sina;from my understanding of your view
1668707;1497233891;sina;it's something like UUCP + crypto authentication
1668708;1497233899;mircea_popescu;anyway, wasn't my impression there's substantial disagreement.
1668709;1497233907;mircea_popescu;what's uucp ?
1668710;1497233919;sina;unix-to-unix-copy
1668711;1497233924;mircea_popescu;nah.
1668712;1497233941;sina;an old protocol normally used for peering usenet
1668713;1497233988;sina;mircea_popescu: there is 159 comments on http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document
1668714;1497233993;mircea_popescu;aha
1668715;1497234001;sina;with a fair bit of disagreement
1668716;1497234027;mircea_popescu;there's a process to working out a mental image of a text. it involves inter alia building alternative models.
1668717;1497234040;mircea_popescu;this dun constitute disagreement.
1668718;1497234133;mircea_popescu;for perfect meta : re the matter of whether there is or there is not substantial disagreement, we aren't yet disagreeing. so far we're just trying to come to terms.
1668719;1497234149;sina;fair
1668720;1497234196;mircea_popescu;thyis is a fractally repeating point : the reason "social learning" as modelled by redditards doesn't work irl is the indirection layer. the reason gossipd is undefeatable in practice is... the indirection layer.
1668721;1497234209;mircea_popescu;the reason textual methods do not work in practice is... the indirection layer. and so on.
1668722;1497234221;mircea_popescu;"oh but he said nigger 85 times!!" "yes but he just uses that to denote tomatoes."
1668723;1497234352;mircea_popescu;the expectation that if you listen in a conversation of people you don't know you'll nevertheless be able to discern what is being said is pretty much THE thing distinguishing the esl anglotard from actual thinking people with a functioning head and part of a culture etc.
1668724;1497234937;mircea_popescu;(and yes "multiculturalism" is the cheapo excuse of lazy stupid people to not have an actual culture ; much like "the convenience" of fast food is the excuse inept housewives use to not work the kitchen.)
1668725;1497235099;sina;that reminds me I need to eat food
1668726;1497235104;mircea_popescu;enjoy
1668727;1497235337;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668696 << while I maintain the thing with integrity, I enjoy the benefits of a world where it exists and functions properly.
1668728;1497235337;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 02:13 mircea_popescu: but anyway -- if he modified them himself he gets to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
1668729;1497235360;trinque;this, to someone with a brain, is ample incentive
1668730;1497235393;trinque;meanwhile sina, you get to discover whether there are such folks in the world as can maintain a db of numbers without diddling them... to think!
1668731;1497235610;sina;no offense meant trinque, just a hypothetical
1668732;1497235633;trinque;none taken
1668733;1497235636;mircea_popescu;it's really not so different from yest when you and ben_vulpes were working on the mpfhf.
1668734;1497235647;mircea_popescu;"Why dun it work ?" "Fix it!" etc.
1668735;1497235660;mircea_popescu;or when candi lust was made, or when absolutely anything else tmsr-happened.
1668736;1497235725;sina;trinque: you might not have the specific form of syphilis which induces number diddling, but can you protect against... COSMIC RAYS
1668737;1497235762;trinque;thing has daily backups and logs of all interactions
1668738;1497235764;trinque;so prolly
1668739;1497235767;mircea_popescu;unlike the github cathedral-of-garbage-built-by-anonyous-rats-randomly-ambling about, there's actual people in charge which means the buck always stops somewhere. so it's not exactly "bug reports", it's more in the vein of "and here's your summons to parliament"
1668740;1497235793;mircea_popescu;sina and if it becomes an issue, it can be logified. the logger was originally single item you know.
1668741;1497235816;sina;sorry, that was just me trying to troll you
1668742;1497235859;mircea_popescu;in fact, deedbot was intended to be federated from the get go... or in fact no. the item deedbot replaced because the operator got syphilis (ie, assbot) was created specifically because failure of previous item (operator travelled unexpectedly, thing went down -- tis all in the logs) and was intended to be federated from the get-go
1668743;1497235878;sina;rigghthththtttt
1668744;1497235884;sina;see this was the original source of my questioning
1668745;1497235886;mircea_popescu;except nanotube never actually fixed gribble, for whatever reason (such as for instance - because it wasn't erroneously broken but deliberately broken)
1668746;1497235896;sina;"maybe deedbot does something similar to what I was thinking"
1668747;1497235913;mircea_popescu;it gets either fixed or replaced if not fixable.
1668748;1497235923;mircea_popescu;this is how engineering, and human industry, go.
1668749;1497235946;sina;so does it federate trinque?
1668750;1497235960;mircea_popescu;not currently.
1668751;1497236033;trinque;sina: it does in that nothing stops you from copying the wot sexp at an interval, doing whatever things your castle likes doing with the output
1668752;1497236075;mircea_popescu;trinque yes but it won't accept a "this is x's rating for y's, honest" from an altbot.
1668753;1497236096;trinque;certainly, and questionable whether it's a good idea
1668754;1497236100;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1668755;1497236119;mircea_popescu;certainly premature to inquire in the matter.
1668756;1497236352;ben_vulpes;in re candi_lustt, i'll point out that anyone in l2 could trivially reproduce her elsewhere, if phf's examples didn't drive the point home
1668757;1497236368;sina;yeah so what happened with #b-a?
1668758;1497236379;mircea_popescu;tis in teh logs!
1668759;1497236397;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yah but why make another slut, just reuse the extant one lel
1668760;1497236610;ben_vulpes;replace, reproduce...
1668761;1497236620;mircea_popescu;chronosones...
1668762;1497236687;ben_vulpes;they're not errors in copying, they're built in tests of the copier!
1668763;1497237076;ben_vulpes;sina: how do i build this thing
1668764;1497237096;ben_vulpes;> ./mpfhf.go:52: syntax error: unexpected EOF, expecting expression
1668765;1497237220;ben_vulpes;oh hm repo has something entirely different from trilema
1668766;1497237221;ben_vulpes;nifty
1668767;1497237408;sina;ben_vulpes: sorry I don't think it pasted right
1668768;1497237441;mircea_popescu;o.O
1668769;1497237450;sina;last I looked it was missing a bunch of the code
1668770;1497237519;sina;ben_vulpes: if you have 0 experience building go binaries, prepare for increased blood pressure
1668771;1497237551;sina;you need to set a GOPATH variable, e.g export GOPATH=~/Development/go and then clone the repo to $GOPATH/src/github.com/sinner-/mpfhf-golang
1668772;1497237588;ben_vulpes;i can handle tooling, ty
1668773;1497237615;sina;I just find it really annoying the way they do it
1668774;1497237635;sina;that and dependency management are the two weakpoints of golang I feel
1668775;1497237638;sina;for what it is
1668776;1497237652;ben_vulpes;getting odd results when i do some baseline poking, a message of "a" prints a toBinArray value of [1 1 0 0 0 0 1]
1668777;1497237677;sina;wtf
1668778;1497237680;ben_vulpes;just running fmt.Print(M) downstream of the toBinArray call
1668779;1497237699;ben_vulpes;naively, i'd expect that to be [0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1]
1668780;1497237711;ben_vulpes;heh
1668781;1497237720;ben_vulpes;dropped a leading zero?
1668782;1497237790;ben_vulpes;wacky, fmt.Print(len(M)) -> 7
1668783;1497237800;sina;oh
1668784;1497237854;sina;so when I was building it, I was trying to match the "MP kicks ass!" output, which starts with a 1 in the example (and IIRC when I did it in python)... the original string I had was printing a leading 0
1668785;1497237860;sina;so I tweaked it
1668786;1497237894;sina;The [M]essage chosen is MP kicks ass!, its bit-value is
1668787;1497237895;sina;1001101101000010000011010111101001110001111010111110011100000110000111100111110011100001
1668788;1497237901;sina;http://trilema.com/mp_fabulous_hashonator.php
1668789;1497237944;ben_vulpes;yes but why is the length of the array of bits seven and not eight
1668790;1497237964;ben_vulpes;i mean i don't really know what you're getting at, but why is the length of the bit array resulting from eating a single char 7 and not 8
1668791;1497238003;sina;because the format string used drops the leading 0
1668792;1497238006;sina;(AFAIK)
1668793;1497238010;ben_vulpes;no buddy
1668794;1497238014;ben_vulpes;len(M)
1668795;1497238015;ben_vulpes;is seven
1668796;1497238044;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668782
1668797;1497238044;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 03:23 ben_vulpes: wacky, fmt.Print(len(M)) -> 7
1668798;1497238056;sina;ben_vulpes: can you change
1668799;1497238056;sina;- binString = fmt.Sprintf("%s%b", binString, c)
1668800;1497238056;sina;+ binString = fmt.Sprintf("%s%.8b", binString, c)
1668801;1497238106;ben_vulpes;oh that's not a builtin aha
1668802;1497238132;ben_vulpes;much better
1668803;1497238155;sina;mircea_popescu: please confirm spec, are we dropping leading 0 (if exists) or not
1668804;1497238173;sina;if not, I need to update the python one too
1668805;1497238181;mircea_popescu;dropping what leading 0 ?
1668806;1497238196;*;ben_vulpes puzzled
1668807;1497238224;ben_vulpes;fwiw with that change it *now* matches the output of my implementation.
1668808;1497238238;ben_vulpes;at sixty four bits and hashing the character a.
1668809;1497238263;sina;mircea_popescu: if you look at the line above for "MP kicks ass!" from your PHP impl
1668810;1497238267;ben_vulpes;and several other values
1668811;1497238270;sina;it starts with a 1
1668812;1497238284;mircea_popescu;sina prolly because it's a piece of shit.
1668813;1497238287;ben_vulpes;again sina php implementation is of an earlier outdated spec
1668814;1497238295;sina;ok fair
1668815;1497238297;mircea_popescu;yes but what's he to go on.
1668816;1497238302;mircea_popescu;and besides, this sounds like php boog.
1668817;1497238310;ben_vulpes;i did it from the spec, not the php.
1668818;1497238344;ben_vulpes;did not even look at php because boogs!
1668819;1497238356;sina;its cool, I had it correct to begin with, but I modified it to match the thing I was seeing, my bad
1668820;1497238383;sina;ben_vulpes: have pushed updated ver to golang ver, let me figure out same for python
1668821;1497238395;ben_vulpes;heh
1668822;1497238430;ben_vulpes;now gotta wrestle with anaconda of "google stack for performance or pystack for not-being-google"
1668823;1497238436;ben_vulpes;pick one, you'll go nuts maintaining both
1668824;1497238517;ben_vulpes;aye, can confirm matching hashes on your default string
1668825;1497238542;sina;just because Rob Pike and co work at the goog doesn't mean golang is goog
1668826;1497238556;sina;they mostly write their junk in C++ and java from what I hear
1668827;1497238557;ben_vulpes;sure, and swift isn't apple lang lol
1668828;1497238558;trinque;google stack comes with built-in curl | bash !
1668829;1497238563;trinque;obviously best
1668830;1497238600;ben_vulpes;yeah that "go build" shit pulling in rando code from rando github accounts super great cool stuff
1668831;1497238610;sina;yeah :(
1668832;1497238619;ben_vulpes;very easy to get started with tho
1668833;1497238621;ben_vulpes;such developer adoption
1668834;1497238641;sina;that (and the dependency hell it introduces) is why I try and stick to their impressively comprehensive stdlib
1668835;1497238663;trinque;sounds like a guy who would end up appreciating common lisp.
1668836;1497238672;sina;probably you don't care but I have been working on this for funsies https://github.com/sinner-/blogir
1668837;1497238681;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo suggests honda goldwing 'valkyrie' for pete_dushenski's next mid life crisis << nah, too "soaking up the open road". goldwings are for retired vagabonds with a penchant for leather chaps and 60s rock. sort of a post-life-crisis-mobile really.
1668838;1497238692;ben_vulpes;sina: eh just use wordpress
1668839;1497238712;ben_vulpes;there's a fork of some fraction of what drives trilema floating around the wot
1668840;1497238747;ben_vulpes;what, you're going to spend your precious energy furthering the browser hegemony?
1668841;1497238789;trinque;googs on both ends
1668842;1497238797;sina;how does building a webapp to learn golang further the browser hegenomy?!
1668843;1497238879;ben_vulpes;oh i thought you were like a golang professional or some such
1668844;1497238895;sina;lol
1668845;1497238895;ben_vulpes;trinque: boogs!
1668846;1497238915;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: what, "european by alliance" cars nao ? << well, ghosn stepped down as nissan ceo so whatever bridge there was is burnt. now it's turbomowereich because nothing cheats nazi emissions standards quite like 'em.
1668847;1497238976;ben_vulpes;sina: why, i must ask, "learn go"?
1668848;1497238985;sina;ben_vulpes: professionally I'm not even a developer. Companies hire me because I can stuff at scale. but still don't understand how it furthers any hegemony
1668849;1497239008;sina;because I think it's a pretty nice high level language
1668850;1497239010;*;trinque not trying to pile on, but "I can stuff at scale" is entertaining as shit
1668851;1497239020;ben_vulpes;solid sentence construction to boot
1668852;1497239022;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But still greater potential power to thrust ratio!
1668853;1497239066;ben_vulpes;sina: it's a google product, you're "learning the lang" via writing a weblog that most likely generates html for...the browser. google lives by the browser.
1668854;1497239114;sina;that is some fancy mental gymnastics, but ok
1668855;1497239122;ben_vulpes;why not write numerical integrator? bignum stack?
1668856;1497239156;ben_vulpes;implement stephenson's orbital swarm trajectory planner?
1668857;1497239170;ben_vulpes;million billion toy projects that do not entail even touching webshit.
1668858;1497239176;BingoBoingo;sina: Consider the experiment where you learned trading by "seeding the orderbook" The "at scale" business is similar.
1668859;1497239178;sina;careful, browsers rely on numbers, don't want to further google hegemony
1668860;1497239192;mircea_popescu;lmao
1668861;1497239193;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: mno. let's do the maff. valkyrie first :
1668862;1497239194;ben_vulpes;sina: math does not require xml, drop the sophistry.
1668863;1497239205;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Of course not stock
1668864;1497239223;BingoBoingo;But shirley you can aftermarket compression into it's flat siz
1668865;1497239225;pete_dushenski;!~calc 752/102
1668866;1497239226;BingoBoingo;*six
1668867;1497239226;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: 752/102 = 7.372549019607843
1668868;1497239236;pete_dushenski;vs. blackzilla
1668869;1497239251;pete_dushenski;!~calc 3800/625
1668870;1497239253;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: 3800/625 = 6.08
1668871;1497239256;sina;BingoBoingo: how is it remotely similar?
1668872;1497239314;BingoBoingo;And lets not forget bonus horsepower like feelings engendered by feeling the wind on one's testicles
1668873;1497239316;sina;ben_vulpes: I didn't claim it did, the point is, taking your logic to its conclusion one can't do anything because google uses computers to do stuff
1668874;1497239344;ben_vulpes;sina: lol not even wrong
1668875;1497239355;trinque;"not everything is political" and "I just want to"
1668876;1497239380;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: two wheeled endangerment does much for feelings engenderment, it's true, but not only way to skin testicles.
1668877;1497239442;sina;ben_vulpes: still not following, but that's ok, you explained your train of thought
1668878;1497239448;BingoBoingo;Anyways, what happened to your romantic feelings for flat six? Is flat six less sexy when it sends all of it's power to one wheel?
1668879;1497239462;trinque;correct number is 8
1668880;1497239473;ben_vulpes;^
1668881;1497239523;ben_vulpes;sina: surely you see how universal reliance on the browser drives unthinking acceptance of the imperial key signing model, right?
1668882;1497239570;ben_vulpes;every time a child gets another hint that building things in html is a sensible way to spend a life, an angel of freedom loses her wings and plummets screaming towards the ground
1668883;1497239582;ben_vulpes;think of the angels
1668884;1497239585;ben_vulpes;think of the children
1668885;1497239587;trinque;lawl
1668886;1497239588;ben_vulpes;just say no to html
1668887;1497239590;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: six is six, which isn't sex regardless of config. because not eight m8!
1668888;1497239612;sina;ben_vulpes: I'll listen to this drivel when you take down your blog
1668889;1497239620;trinque;and displacement matters; just ask her!
1668890;1497239641;sina;ben_vulpes: and wotpaste, etc
1668891;1497239653;ben_vulpes;army we have!
1668892;1497239667;trinque;btcbase.org/log
1668893;1497239669;trinque;aw crap
1668894;1497239670;ben_vulpes;sina: gotta talk to folks, gotta share text
1668895;1497239696;ben_vulpes;sina, why don't you ask what i do for a living?
1668896;1497239702;ben_vulpes;html!
1668897;1497239712;ben_vulpes;"intimacy breeds contempt"
1668898;1497239726;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649534
1668899;1497239726;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 asciilifeform: which means NO NEW NONFITTINGINHEAD items!!
1668900;1497239728;sina;that explains this braindead discussion
1668901;1497239742;ben_vulpes;sina: and before you start throwing around words like "drivel" and "braindead", i'm not the one who lost his keys.
1668902;1497239745;trinque;sina: dunno what you thought the forum was for, but this
1668903;1497239752;sina;ben_vulpes: I *didn't* lose them
1668904;1497239763;sina;I thought I had because I couldn't decrypt some OTP, if you recall
1668905;1497239765;ben_vulpes;oh right, something something knobs on gpg?
1668906;1497239781;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-02#1313929 << while we're on it
1668907;1497239781;a111;Logged on 2015-11-02 14:59 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/05/thank_god_the_heart_attack_gri.html << pretty great explanation on how psychological defenses work.
1668908;1497239794;trinque;the republic grinds 'em away, leaves a man, or nothing
1668909;1497239806;ben_vulpes;sina: keep coming back, it works if you work it
1668910;1497239869;sina;I follow everything you're saying, but it is plainly dumb to say writing a funsies webapp to learn a language has anything to do with anything
1668911;1497239901;ben_vulpes;the notion does depend on several years of shared context, yeah
1668912;1497239936;sina;I'm vaguely aware of the shared context, I get there is some stuff that is considered dumb around these neck of the woods, I just don't care
1668913;1497239939;ben_vulpes;i mean you're a smart guy, right? what's funsies about generating html trees?
1668914;1497239947;ben_vulpes;honest q
1668915;1497239966;ben_vulpes;surely this is something you can do on demand without thinking already
1668916;1497239989;sina;generating 24 lines of html template took about 3 seconds
1668917;1497240021;BingoBoingo; sina: keep coming back, it works if you work it << lol, this stuff is contagious
1668918;1497240031;BingoBoingo;!~step12
1668919;1497240031;jhvh1;12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
1668920;1497240044;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: pretty sure my sojurn through 12steplandia predates yours
1668921;1497240059;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: it may.
1668922;1497240071;sina;funsies was in figuring out how to make a request pipeline out of handlers, or goroutines, etc
1668923;1497240093;BingoBoingo;But TMSR is it's own program for awakening the spirit
1668924;1497240130;sina;funsies was being able to bang out a golang mpfhf because I had already kicked the tyres on the lang
1668925;1497240136;sina;(and it really was fun)
1668926;1497240173;ben_vulpes;ooh BingoBoingo the tomatoes have put forth flowers
1668927;1497240179;ben_vulpes;buds i mean
1668928;1497240180;BingoBoingo;Nice
1668929;1497240187;ben_vulpes;these things are going to be monster bushes
1668930;1497240234;BingoBoingo;Vines, absolutely monster vines covering everything in a 10 foot radius prolly
1668931;1497240255;ben_vulpes;i may have to put stakes in the ground and hold the damn things up
1668932;1497240259;ben_vulpes;standby 3
1668933;1497240282;BingoBoingo;You prolly should start on that before the flowers turn to fruit and get heavy
1668934;1497240297;ben_vulpes;aye boss
1668935;1497240357;BingoBoingo;I mean nature has a way and all that, but... stakes make for cleaner fruit and a bett chance of you taking the first bit instead of vermin
1668936;1497240429;ben_vulpes;i don't plan to suboptimally anything these beasts
1668937;1497240516;*;BingoBoingo has one plot that stayed sunny and one that has been eclipsed by tree. Sunny plot doing great. One in tree eclipse is experiencing stunted vine size, but greater fruiting at present.
1668938;1497240539;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell how the good lord Bingo's plots will turn out this experiment
1668939;1497240644;sina;ok
1668940;1497240647;sina;python version updated too
1668941;1497240656;sina;mircea_popescu: you may want to update comments,
1668942;1497240715;sina;i enjoy growing tomatoes too, but these days cherry tomatos mostly. hardy, prolific
1668943;1497240723;mircea_popescu;aite.
1668944;1497240739;sina;far fewer issues with insects
1668945;1497240743;sina;mircea_popescu: M = list(map(int, ''.join(map(lambda p: '{0:08b}'.format(p, 'b'), map(ord, message))))) << for python
1668946;1497240770;sina;and binString = fmt.Sprintf("%s%.8b", binString, c) << for golang
1668947;1497240784;sina;ben_vulpes: appreciate confirmation
1668948;1497240814;mircea_popescu;holy shit im not diffing tcoments by hand what is htis\
1668949;1497240885;sina;either that or I can re-comment, you can delete the old ones and then fix whatever stuff you did last time
1668950;1497240920;*;sina goes back to reading http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439691
1668951;1497240920;a111;Logged on 2016-03-23 23:35 mircea_popescu: 2 requires the man who just saw the product of his not-inconsequential efforts die over "not doing what mp says, with money" have to choose whether to do what mp says... but with people, this time. we did in fact start this channel together, just like bitbet, and he did do a lot of infrastructure work here, just as there. so... what do ?
1668952;1497240950;sina;which somehow includes a religious discussion on the morality of returning mistakenly transferred bitcoins, including King Solomon bible ref
1668953;1497241089;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/blooming-beasts << CH - blooming beasts!
1668954;1497241112;ben_vulpes;sina: i hope you appreciate the bug-spottment as well lol
1668955;1497241152;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: see blorg
1668956;1497241157;sina;ben_vulpes: ah doo
1668957;1497241183;ben_vulpes;sina: sensible thing to do is make a genesis of your shit, stand up an mp-wp and post it on your blog
1668958;1497241194;ben_vulpes;or use your golang thing and migrate a few years later like i did
1668959;1497241287;sina;clarify "a genesis of your shit"
1668960;1497241314;ben_vulpes;have you caught up to "v"
1668961;1497241320;sina;yes
1668962;1497241327;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
1668963;1497241337;ben_vulpes;in other miserable urls
1668964;1497241349;ben_vulpes;"genesis" is argot for root of a patch tree
1668965;1497241383;ben_vulpes;per asciilifeform 's http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis
1668966;1497241693;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64138473AEA635A2A46A4069689DB37D002E021C31FD1E2B209DAAC70483F2F3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1446...4159 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.181.251.180 (ssh-rsa key from 46.181.251.180 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (46-181-251-180.goodline.info. RU KEM)
1668967;1497241693;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64138473AEA635A2A46A4069689DB37D002E021C31FD1E2B209DAAC70483F2F3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1478...8163 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.181.251.180 (ssh-rsa key from 46.181.251.180 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (46-181-251-180.goodline.info. RU KEM)
1668968;1497242094;*;mircea_popescu has been thinking... this whole code in comments thing dun werk wortha crap
1668969;1497242152;sina;mircea_popescu: correct
1668970;1497242160;mircea_popescu;myeah. what's one to do ;/
1668971;1497242201;sina;I'm fine with git. I have a cgit thing in my castle and also push to github for public use
1668972;1497242211;sina;I know y'all hate it
1668973;1497242227;mircea_popescu;your idea of fun turns out problematioc for the republic!
1668974;1497242264;sina;you could deed it
1668975;1497242264;mircea_popescu;i can see it though. heck, i actually indulge. whole candi thing was nothing else.
1668976;1497242337;mircea_popescu;the problem is management really. code keeps wanting to be edited, comments on blog are a different thing.
1668977;1497242343;sina;correct
1668978;1497242343;mircea_popescu;deeds similarly -- these words for all time./
1668979;1497242367;sina;blog in general is not conducive to code, IMO anyway
1668980;1497242391;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1668981;1497242397;ben_vulpes;phf has hosted vpatches so far without much fuss
1668982;1497242405;mircea_popescu;CERTAINLY not conducive to the google notion of code.
1668983;1497242406;ben_vulpes;not to nominate someone else for work
1668984;1497242415;mircea_popescu;which may be the problem.
1668985;1497242421;mircea_popescu;which is also why i say your notion of fun is problematic.
1668986;1497242450;sina;mircea_popescu: feh. this is what you get http://cascadianhacker.com/an-implementation-of-mircea-popescus-fabulous-hash-function
1668987;1497242466;sina;instead of a nice chain of diffs
1668988;1497242469;mircea_popescu;but consider for a moment -- why should code be something else than "words for all time" ?
1668989;1497242477;ben_vulpes;sina: nonsense, this is what you get: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot&search=
1668990;1497242482;mircea_popescu;silly argument being anything but "because it'll take forever mp!"
1668991;1497242519;sina;ben_vulpes: that's a bit nicer
1668992;1497242545;sina;ben_vulpes: what does the update button do?
1668993;1497242550;mircea_popescu;sina he does have a point -- this is a very fine op for you to learn v through practice. make a genesis for your thang.
1668994;1497242568;ben_vulpes;sina: dunno, try pushing it
1668995;1497242572;ben_vulpes;perhaps -- nothing!
1668996;1497242578;ben_vulpes;possibly, something!
1668997;1497242581;sina;I did
1668998;1497242622;ben_vulpes;doubtful anything github-like
1668999;1497242636;sina;mircea_popescu: I did look at V as you suggested, including reading through (I think it was) asciilifeform py impl
1669000;1497242636;ben_vulpes;if you put text in the box and press the button the url params change
1669001;1497242655;mircea_popescu;how'd it seem ?
1669002;1497242655;ben_vulpes;i'm going to stop pulling levers for you here soon sina
1669003;1497242684;sina;ben_vulpes: ??
1669004;1497242690;sina;the text box is clearly for search
1669005;1497242723;sina;text in the box click update, not different from just clicking update with no text
1669006;1497242745;sina;mircea_popescu: it seemed interesting, the "thing to do" appeared to be write ones own impl, which could be funsies
1669007;1497242759;mircea_popescu;also yes.
1669008;1497242771;mircea_popescu;allows you a trb editing environment at any rate
1669009;1497242776;sina;trb?
1669010;1497242782;mircea_popescu;the real bitcoin
1669011;1497242793;sina;I feel like I can have some fun writing it in a language that might troll ben_vulpes
1669012;1497242802;sina;Visual Basic .NET or something
1669013;1497242804;mircea_popescu;lua ?
1669014;1497242808;sina;hah yeah
1669015;1497242817;ben_vulpes;"it's homoiconic! everything's a string!"
1669016;1497242832;mircea_popescu;homo-something, at any rate
1669017;1497242833;sina;maybe I will write it in XSLT
1669018;1497242835;trinque;haw
1669019;1497242853;ben_vulpes;sina: consider if you want anyone in the wot to /read/ your work
1669020;1497242862;sina;consider I kid
1669021;1497242901;mircea_popescu;consider there's girls watching teh dick clubbing
1669022;1497242960;ben_vulpes;am curious to see what he'll pick!
1669023;1497242977;sina;hey mircea_popescu in the long list of things I have been meaning to ask, wasn't MPex listed on MPex?
1669024;1497242983;sina;and now it seems not?
1669025;1497242992;trinque;also in logs.
1669026;1497242999;mircea_popescu;yah. there's a closing statement and evertything on trilema, also in lgos etc.
1669027;1497243024;ben_vulpes;did not take xslt seriously, f# woulda been an actually funny joke
1669028;1497243222;mircea_popescu;in other lulz,
1669029;1497243229;mircea_popescu;!~google lesser racket-tailed drongo
1669030;1497243230;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Lesser racket - tailed drongo - Wikipedia: ; Greater racket - tailed drongo - Wikipedia: ; Lesser Racquet - tailed Drongo (Dicrurus remifer) | HBW Alive:
1669031;1497243291;mircea_popescu;is xslt the excel language ?
1669032;1497243320;sina;its an XML transformation language
1669033;1497243327;mircea_popescu;oh i see
1669034;1497244559;sina;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439585
1669035;1497244559;a111;Logged on 2016-03-23 22:19 nubbins`: mp is just a guy who plays MMORPGs and wanks on irc all day, to me
1669036;1497244568;sina;my suspicions have been confirmed!
1669037;1497244590;mircea_popescu;o noes!
1669038;1497244833;sina;lolll http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439668
1669039;1497244833;a111;Logged on 2016-03-23 23:04 mrottenkolber: I know you are all gonna hate this, but for what its worth, I got some Git/V interop going: https://github.com/eugeneia/vgit
1669040;1497244867;mircea_popescu;i dun think we even hated it that much
1669041;1497245281;sina;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439858
1669042;1497245281;a111;Logged on 2016-03-24 11:57 nubbins`: just wanted to take this opportunity, while i can still self-voice, to let you all know that most of you are weeaboo basement-dwelling troglodytes and i respect very few of you
1669043;1497245333;mircea_popescu;it's like a whole other internet right there!
1669044;1497245341;sina;so fuckin good
1669045;1497245424;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B756FFCD46984A2976CA04D0939CA6D4C65CF681F2210679F0456D7D62E021E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1551...3123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.185.242.129 (ssh-rsa key from 89.185.242.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (hordubal.apedia.com. CZ)
1669046;1497245424;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B756FFCD46984A2976CA04D0939CA6D4C65CF681F2210679F0456D7D62E021E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1769...5863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.185.242.129 (ssh-rsa key from 89.185.242.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (hordubal.apedia.com. CZ)
1669047;1497245503;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-09#1092975
1669048;1497245503;a111;Logged on 2015-04-09 03:09 nubbins`: mircea_popescu for someone who has to cut off a finger to achieve it... it probably is
1669049;1497245515;trinque;fucking weird guy
1669050;1497245604;mircea_popescu;the what now ?
1669051;1497245616;trinque;didn't he saw off a finger or something?
1669052;1497245626;mircea_popescu;who did ?
1669053;1497245643;trinque;teh nubs
1669054;1497245670;mircea_popescu;really ? i guess i musta forgot
1669055;1497245717;mircea_popescu;amusingly, i suppose body unintegrity is solid defense against charge of weeaboism.
1669056;1497250469;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611910
1669057;1497250469;a111;Logged on 2017-02-06 18:22 trinque: also there's a second space program that made contact with the grays, and the pedo democrats are part of a "breakaway society" that is going to neuter everyone of inferior class
1669058;1497251889;sina;https://www.imperialviolet.org/2010/04/01/ctgrind.html
1669059;1497251905;sina;(Checking that functions are constant time with Valgrind)
1669060;1497261144;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1669061;1497261151;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2940.11, vol: 8405.06242117 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2868.0, vol: 6703.4332 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2832.8, vol: 21889.16032757 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3029.9493, vol: 10614.75230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2899.998, vol: 5148.67505997 | Volume-weighted last average: 2900.58821671
1669062;1497262668;shinohai;!~later tell sina Personal curiosity .... do you still stand by this statement/? http://archive.is/ozilM
1669063;1497262669;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1669064;1497263062;sina;LOL
1669065;1497263088;sina;shinohai: thegrugq makes a joke, that infosec people have no good advice but just always say "use signal, use tor" for all problems
1669066;1497263317;shinohai;hue
1669067;1497263347;sina;it's like, you say, someone hacked my box and stole my bitcoins and then my response is "use signal. use tor"
1669068;1497263361;*;shinohai likes sins already
1669069;1497263365;shinohai;*sina
1669070;1497263365;sina;and then you say "someone phished my brother" and your response is "use signal. use tor"
1669071;1497263384;sina;err s/your/my/
1669072;1497263393;sina;you get the idea
1669073;1497263402;sina;what are you stalkin me?
1669074;1497263404;sina;:D
1669075;1497263435;shinohai;Was checking out your github and saw link to twitter. I got a kick out of that tweet is all.
1669076;1497263463;sina;it's probably my most popular tweet ever! :P
1669077;1497263571;shinohai;I've taken a twitter break. It's kind of an unfriendly environment for purveyors of posterior such as myself.
1669078;1497263592;sina;I don't really use it anymore
1669079;1497263607;sina;except occasionally I read thegrugq twitter feed for some lulz
1669080;1497263792;shinohai;Definitely a lulz farm, I have harvested many a Qntra from that pool.
1669081;1497263847;*;shinohai pours another espresso and continues reading the mega-log from past 24 hrs ....
1669082;1497266503;sina;TFW ur a neo-Nazi and then decide to convert to Islam http://www.democratizeus.com/2017/06/11/neo-nazi-explosives-released-bond-deemed-not-threat-judge/
1669083;1497277464;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669005 << just a poor interface to switch branches for people without javascript. (the drop down thingy switches on select, but if you don't have js enabled. i perhaps should add a button hider if you do..)
1669084;1497277464;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 04:45 sina: text in the box click update, not different from just clicking update with no text
1669085;1497277678;phf;the interface is not very thought through because there's not enough dog fooding happening. vpatches require higher overhead than git blobs by design following the principle of measure ten times, cut once. but that means that it takes longer to evolve a workflow around them since the trickle of new updates is much slower
1669086;1497277863;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669038 << i had some interop going between v and https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/MqExtension. apparently before cvs but after "copy entire folder to make a version" there were various approaches to maintaining patch sets, that can be applied to v's folder full of patches approach
1669087;1497277863;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 05:20 sina: lolll http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439668
1669088;1497277882;phf;e.g. http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/quilt
1669089;1497278178;phf;highest overhead when working with v is making snapshotting cheaper (which also ties into keeping multiple incomplete work in progress vpatches in the same build, and being able to put the updates into respective vpatches). that's something that local versioning system might help with (though asciilifeform for example considers that sort of automation anathema)
1669090;1497278248;asciilifeform;phf: not necessarily -- http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-23#890173
1669091;1497278248;a111;Logged on 2014-10-23 04:48 asciilifeform: use git for private dildonic pleasure. or for playing with friends. i do.
1669092;1497278264;asciilifeform;strict cut between 'harem and forum' there.
1669093;1497278284;phf;oh word. i even remember that thread, but it didn't stick
1669094;1497278287;asciilifeform;i use git and similar extensively ~in house~
1669095;1497278292;asciilifeform;but no longer publish using them
1669096;1497278301;asciilifeform;while, notice, happy to publish using ephemeral pastes
1669097;1497278315;asciilifeform;because they carry the right idea along ('this is unauthenticated rubbish, use entirely at own risk')
1669098;1497278383;mod6;mornin'
1669099;1497278388;asciilifeform;heya mod6
1669100;1497278394;mod6;how goes?
1669101;1497278422;asciilifeform;phf: the thing i repeatedly caution folx against, is to do anything that might result in the existence of vpatches which require tools ~other than v~ to fit-in-head/operate on.
1669102;1497278427;asciilifeform;now this -- anathema.
1669103;1497278465;asciilifeform;that road goes straight to shithub.
1669104;1497278496;asciilifeform;mod6: just got home, no interesting noos
1669105;1497278514;*;phf also just came back from the woods
1669106;1497278525;mod6;asciilifeform: cool
1669107;1497278558;mod6;phf: cool
1669108;1497278606;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669058 >> this is a lulzgem, 'I also tested BN_mod_exp_mont_consttime from OpenSSL since that's a large function which calls functions from several other files. It turns out not to be constant time! There's a secret dependent memory access...'
1669109;1497278606;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 07:18 sina: https://www.imperialviolet.org/2010/04/01/ctgrind.html
1669110;1497278627;phf;tis the season of naked girls in the woods festivals, i must therefore oblige
1669111;1497278632;asciilifeform;'This variant of BN_mod_exp_mont() uses fixed windows and the special precomputation memory layout to limit data-dependency to a minimum to protect secret exponents'
1669112;1497278643;mod6;phf: haha. for sure.
1669113;1497278647;asciilifeform;'It only claims to "limit" the side-channel leaks. I don't know how serious this is...'
1669114;1497278649;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1669115;1497278669;mod6;heh
1669116;1497282505;shinohai;ffs juantelez fix thy connection
1669117;1497284115;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf l0gz feature request -- turn the href in links to *.bitcoin-assets.com into btcbase ( printed text of link can remain same, in principle )
1669118;1497284116;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1669119;1497284157;asciilifeform;!~later tell Framedragger l0gz feature request -- turn the href in links to *.bitcoin-assets.com into btcbase ( printed text of link can remain same, in principle )
1669120;1497284157;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1669121;1497284169;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes l0gz feature request -- turn the href in links to *.bitcoin-assets.com into btcbase ( printed text of link can remain same, in principle )
1669122;1497284169;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1669123;1497284176;asciilifeform;iirc that'd be all of'em..
1669124;1497284181;phf;asciilifeform: give me an example from log, because the way i understand that request, it should already be working
1669125;1497284194;asciilifeform;phf: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-23#890622
1669126;1497284194;a111;Logged on 2014-10-23 06:07 assbot: 24 results for 'stalin from:asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stalin+from%3Aasciilifeform
1669127;1497284200;phf;ah
1669128;1497284202;asciilifeform;and http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-23#890626 etc.
1669129;1497284202;a111;Logged on 2014-10-23 06:08 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2014#719963
1669130;1497284206;asciilifeform;million of these.
1669131;1497284278;phf;asciilifeform: so right now, if you click in the little up arrow, it'll take you to the location in btcbase. i think i might've disabled link substitution at some point on account of it being a subtle log manipulation
1669132;1497284327;asciilifeform;my thinking is -- at some point the old kakotronic logs will either go away or be subsumed by enemy for whatever purpose ( if only ip gluetrap ) -- and it is the Wrong Thing to countenance the use of'em.
1669133;1497285528;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/06/12/o-brave-new-code/ << Ossasepia - O Brave New Code
1669134;1497285789;phf;asciilifeform: added both, search and ref. let me know if you have other examples..
1669135;1497285818;phf;fwiw, i'm not parsing search, so it'll only map in the simplest cases (though your specific example works)
1669136;1497285833;asciilifeform;phf: neato, seems to work...
1669137;1497286140;asciilifeform;worx great , in fact, ty phf !!
1669138;1497286371;*;trinque sees that #b-a still discusses not much else than #t, closes
1669139;1497286415;asciilifeform;trinque: kako now runs a public pissoire , voice-for-all, complete with gimmebots, ethertards, etc., many joys
1669140;1497286451;trinque;retirement with dignity eh
1669141;1497286475;asciilifeform;trinque: assbot is not really used for anything, nobody's rated anyone in eons, logs will likely run until he trips over the cable. hence thread re links.
1669142;1497286489;trinque;aha
1669143;1497286663;mod6;Speaking of l0gz requests... i have a bot request...
1669144;1497286695;mod6;Let's setup a111 to also parse links from logs.bvulpes.com/.../ like links from btcbase.
1669145;1497286699;trinque;asciilifeform: he thought this was for one man's fapping in the mirror, and now, has it.
1669146;1497286753;mircea_popescu;mod6 why not scriba :D
1669147;1497286771;mircea_popescu;he can just make the logger speak like anyone else neh ?
1669148;1497286832;phf;scriba is not ben_vulpes's bot, so presumably the question is why don't ben_vulpes put up his own log speaker
1669149;1497286848;mod6;sure. i suppose so. i presently feel bad when pasting in links from logs.bv since it doesn't get auto-parsed.
1669150;1497286875;mod6;ah. ok. well that could work too. anyways, was just a suggestion.
1669151;1497286930;phf;fwiw i need to add ben_vulpes's links to btcbase anyway, because it also breaks xref facility
1669152;1497286931;shinohai;Afternoon mod6, fellow Republicans!
1669153;1497286949;asciilifeform;bots attempting to process output from other bots makes for potentially hilarious (try GB log bloat...) bugs
1669154;1497286984;asciilifeform;so imho it's a thing to avoid on general principle. let each one speak for self.
1669155;1497286993;trinque;heh, wasn't there a time when deedbot chattered for pages all by itself? I vaguely recall
1669156;1497287004;phf;that's not how btcbase works.
1669157;1497287010;mircea_popescu;yes, the rule is that each logger reads his own.
1669158;1497287025;asciilifeform;trinque: that was assbot
1669159;1497287025;mircea_popescu;it's not ok for a111 to speak out unbidden, with the sole exception of its own log
1669160;1497287086;phf;a111 can easily speak on behalf of any of the logger, because i need to parse other loggers to keep the xref facility consistent. for political reasons, a111 only speaks for own logs, but it ~knows~ at the time of utterance where the link is supposed to go to
1669161;1497287097;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1669162;1497287115;*;mircea_popescu thinks this is exactly as it should be.
1669163;1497287348;mod6;diana_coman is a warrior; nice post
1669164;1497287359;mod6;hai shinohai
1669165;1497287541;shinohai;I invited her here to !~tits, so far no reply to my email >>> http://archive.is/ycQBG
1669166;1497287563;phf;“Beginning with version 6.0, IPython stopped supporting compatibility with Python versions lower than 3.3 including all versions of Python 2.7.”
1669167;1497287638;mircea_popescu;heh.
1669168;1497287658;asciilifeform;gcc5ification marches on.
1669169;1497287681;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 etc )
1669170;1497287681;a111;Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
1669171;1497287687;mircea_popescu;ourdemocracy gotta get everyone wearing the new pantsuit!
1669172;1497287837;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668882 << don't ever go to the third world, btw. every girl aspires to learn "criminology" at umd and every boy http://trilema.com/2013/i-dont-no-biari-i-know-a-littel-java/
1669173;1497287837;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 03:52 ben_vulpes: every time a child gets another hint that building things in html is a sensible way to spend a life, an angel of freedom loses her wings and plummets screaming towards the ground
1669174;1497287911;phf;ben_vulpes: does your logger run on UTC?
1669175;1497288012;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668953 << dude's in fucking love, clearly. yo benjie : that's how plants look irl, not girl's fault you grew up in the boot of a 2 seater roadster!
1669176;1497288012;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 04:18 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/blooming-beasts << CH - blooming beasts!
1669177;1497288037;mircea_popescu;also, scamtitle, i read "breasts".
1669178;1497288052;phf;+1
1669179;1497288078;phf;op didn't deliver
1669180;1497288213;mircea_popescu;also kinda biased by living in jungle nao. yesterday scraped off some gregarious antsy-wasp nest off one window, within hours flies were sucking the life out of the larvae fallen on the window sill ; later that window found different sort of wasp nest hidden in between sliding doors, with hunting wolf spider treating the cells like so many cans of preserve. and it rained for a month and everything needs a machete.
1669181;1497288227;mircea_popescu;later that evening*
1669182;1497288236;*;shinohai curses juantelez
1669183;1497288243;mircea_popescu;ya enough of this bs huh.
1669184;1497288277;*;shinohai thanks mircea_popescu kindly, tips hat
1669185;1497288337;mircea_popescu;aww, just as i was sitting down to read the man's twitter, turns out it is "protected". scam!
1669186;1497288456;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669067 << which one is signal ? the current telegram being groomed for faux "record breaking acquisition" by winapplefacebook ?
1669187;1497288456;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 10:29 sina: it's like, you say, someone hacked my box and stole my bitcoins and then my response is "use signal. use tor"
1669188;1497288465;mircea_popescu;"how was that shit 20bn ?" "it was before they bought it hue"
1669189;1497288488;asciilifeform;!#s marlinspike
1669190;1497288488;a111;25 results for "marlinspike", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=marlinspike
1669191;1497288492;asciilifeform;^ perpetrator of subj
1669192;1497288508;asciilifeform;aka 'pgp is OBSOLETE!111 use keybase etc'
1669193;1497288519;asciilifeform;infamous 'seekoority guru' muppet
1669194;1497288551;asciilifeform;and peddler of multicoloured-phones.
1669195;1497288568;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669085 << yes and quite frankly this is becoming it's own sort of problem.
1669196;1497288568;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 14:27 phf: the interface is not very thought through because there's not enough dog fooding happening. vpatches require higher overhead than git blobs by design following the principle of measure ten times, cut once. but that means that it takes longer to evolve a workflow around them since the trickle of new updates is much slower
1669197;1497288606;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to piss on the remnants of the cathedralbazaar, but it's another thing to not have a good answer to teh network effects.
1669198;1497288644;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the naming convention (moldbug, marlinspike, etcetera) suggests someone in an office farm in maryland./
1669199;1497288678;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quasiliterate anglos tend to come up with very similar names, yes
1669200;1497288700;mircea_popescu;that whole x-of-the-y brainmold.
1669201;1497288734;mircea_popescu;no wonder pantsuit party has no substantial disagreement with china becoming dominating power. they watch that inept chinese writing method and get wet.
1669202;1497288761;asciilifeform;it is an almost 'african' pattern, 'at one time my grandfather walked on a bridge, i heard... i'ma call meself Bob Bridgebuilder' etc
1669203;1497288793;mircea_popescu;there's no such linguistic uniformity in africa.
1669204;1497288803;asciilifeform;not re the language, but re the thought pattern
1669205;1497288817;mircea_popescu;they're technologically uniform in their ineptitude, but linguistically there's plenty of sane exemplars in the ~1k or so live languages.
1669206;1497288824;mircea_popescu;ah, that's harder to capture
1669207;1497288825;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCISZYcWAAIicQ9.jpg "Ethereum blockchain under heavy pressure"
1669208;1497288833;*;shinohai digs deeper into these lulz
1669209;1497288837;mircea_popescu;they should just segweb it or w/e it's called.
1669210;1497288849;asciilifeform;TB eth blox when!
1669211;1497288856;asciilifeform;PB! why think small.
1669212;1497288868;asciilifeform;every bacterium Has The Right to Tx!11
1669213;1497288892;mircea_popescu;heh
1669214;1497288908;BingoBoingo; it is an almost 'african' pattern, 'at one time my grandfather walked on a bridge, i heard... i'ma call meself Bob Bridgebuilder' etc << AHA, marlinspike presented as "hippie recreational sailor"
1669215;1497288924;mircea_popescu;"nobody reads" trilema, such as eg "not smart enough to sling dope" article. but EVERYONE EXECUTES it.
1669216;1497288932;BingoBoingo;Moldbug presented as stale cubile rage vessel
1669217;1497288938;mircea_popescu;hurr durr an thanks for all teh fishes, you self-determined, independent minded schmucks you.
1669218;1497289054;mircea_popescu;what'd one have to be smoking to not realise ethereum's onl;y function is to siphon value from the web horde into the hands of bitcoin holders is anyone's guess.
1669219;1497289063;mircea_popescu;i suppose old taco bell wrappers rolled up.
1669220;1497289125;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669195 << plox to elaborate?
1669221;1497289125;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 17:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669085 << yes and quite frankly this is becoming it's own sort of problem.
1669222;1497289160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly as phf describes, there's a certain drag/lift factor in work being done. have you noticed how effort allocation tends to follow "what's happening" more than "i've though about this" ?
1669223;1497289195;asciilifeform;dunno, everything on asciilifeform's plate has been there for literally years
1669224;1497289210;mircea_popescu;from a purely alien perspective, in a town with decaying infrastructure you'll still see a bunch of men gathered around the guy souping up his car, rather than gathered around the places which desperately need maintenance work.
1669225;1497289255;mircea_popescu;this base tendency is what the whole google/apple/etc (redhat, you name it, "open source") shitworlds try to cater to.
1669226;1497289270;mircea_popescu;it's ok to point out how stupid it is, sure. it's dubious to not have some kind of an answer. which dun seem like we have.
1669227;1497289291;*;mircea_popescu dislikes the notion of guilt tripping people as a resource allocation mechanism.
1669228;1497289291;asciilifeform;their attempts are a laugh, though -- their picture of 'sexy project' is about as appealing as syphilis
1669229;1497289300;mircea_popescu;sure. but what's this do.
1669230;1497289327;asciilifeform;it isn't clear to me that there is a problem described here, such that could admit an answer.
1669231;1497289341;mircea_popescu;to me either. but it's clear that there might be something.
1669232;1497289367;asciilifeform;ability to properly direct resources (of self , and sometimes others ) is afaik what even makes, meaningfully, 'lord'
1669233;1497289393;mircea_popescu;and ability to drive is what makes, properly, a driver. it STILL HELPS to tell people "objects in rearview mirror are closer than they appear".
1669234;1497289398;asciilifeform;tru.
1669235;1497289400;mircea_popescu;because it's not all that intuitive.
1669236;1497289501;asciilifeform;naggum had an interesting discussion re cl ( and iirc also mentioned ada, his other-language ) in re discouragement of 'easy to write small throwaway programs' as a factor in building durable infrastructure ( vs liquishit, which in his time consisted of microshit and of perlism )
1669237;1497289554;asciilifeform;so to a certain extent tools can shape habit. and the bridges are maintained, instead of folx clustering around the souped car.
1669238;1497289613;asciilifeform;but the responsibility to be a man rather than monkey -- cannot be delegated to tool.
1669239;1497289624;mircea_popescu;no argument with either of these.
1669240;1497289653;mircea_popescu;but presenting cogently and in a tight package the man-monkey difference can't possibly hurt the recent escapee off the "i can't believe it's not plato's" cave.
1669241;1497289694;asciilifeform;i've found that teaching ada to c programmer is almost a miniature course in subj
1669242;1497289702;mircea_popescu;moreover, replacing a coke habit with a workout habit is, in practice and experience, the cheapest, safest and surest way to rehab crackwhores.
1669243;1497289714;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah i saw trims of that in the logs lol.
1669244;1497289762;mod6;asciilifeform: heh, my bad.
1669245;1497289783;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668953 << /me didn't even get to do a garden this year :[
1669246;1497289783;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 04:18 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/blooming-beasts << CH - blooming beasts!
1669247;1497289800;asciilifeform;mod6: i was actually thinking moar of own experience with it, than yours
1669248;1497289848;mod6;ah. yeah, well, eitherway - i appreciate the guidence.
1669249;1497289874;mircea_popescu;dude this diana_coman poem thing is pretty fucking epic.
1669250;1497289880;mircea_popescu;chick's got aptitude.
1669251;1497289903;mod6;for sure.
1669252;1497289970;mircea_popescu;and the fundamental point is quite solid : the monkey hates thought, because hey, why won't you just sit and groom with the rest of 'em! PSYCHOPATH!!1
1669253;1497290000;mod6;haha
1669254;1497290328;trinque;is this a matter of backing out of using a big open source item?
1669255;1497290336;trinque;I know that pain, difficult process
1669256;1497290497;mircea_popescu;yep.
1669257;1497290511;mircea_popescu;basically ended up being rewriting everything.
1669258;1497290607;mircea_popescu;which, incidentally, looks like it'll take one mentally competent woman about one year. the "open source" crapolade was built OVER A DECADE. and it's ~useless, within three zeros.
1669259;1497290717;asciilifeform;an ada '3d engine' would be quite a thing, incidentally
1669260;1497290721;mircea_popescu;10x the time, easily 100x the "effort" (although it is no more meaningful to compare the work of republican with the braying of subhuman opensources than it is to compare cpus and breast implants) and so forth.
1669261;1497290735;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is server side.
1669262;1497290738;asciilifeform;aah
1669263;1497290742;asciilifeform;even moar so, then
1669264;1497290778;asciilifeform;( the language-level support for sane concurrency it more or less perfect for subj )
1669265;1497290805;asciilifeform;it's what originally pulled me into looking at it.
1669266;1497290842;phf;presumably to make it sane will have to write own blitter to surface, etc.
1669267;1497290969;phf;concurrency will only get into picture once you have independent rendered, networking and game state logic all working
1669268;1497290990;asciilifeform;btw the graphics , as seen by asciilifeform's naked eye, suggest that a cpu-only renderer ( 0 magic iron ) could, in theory, run eulora
1669269;1497291008;asciilifeform;( msdos port!111 )
1669270;1497291059;mircea_popescu;absolutely never licensing any of this. people wish to contribute, they get to participate, not to "just like bitcoin with a little bit of censorship" bullshit.
1669271;1497291079;mircea_popescu;imagine, eulora played for paypal ? fuck that shit with a hot iron poker, there's NO WAY shitworld claws back to relevancy.
1669272;1497291113;phf;asciilifeform: sure, considering that graphics are intentionally seem to be kept might&magic like can easily render the whole thing in software
1669273;1497291151;asciilifeform;phf: i know very little re eulora design process, but did assume that mircea_popescu et al deliberately put in a polygon count limit, and that the logic was approx like this.
1669274;1497291171;asciilifeform;( to one day be rid of closed turd gpu )
1669275;1497291178;mircea_popescu;phf something like that.
1669276;1497291203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's part of what the publisher will accept as art assets, see ?
1669277;1497291220;asciilifeform;aha
1669278;1497291253;mircea_popescu;and no, never relinquishing political control, ever, no fucking way. colonial empire all the way, force the locals to either absorb themselves into whiteness or spawn chattel indefinitely.
1669279;1497291266;phf;i think crystal space already supports limited software rendering, but figuring out how to properly enable it seems to be not for the faint of heart
1669280;1497291279;mircea_popescu;0 tolerance for multiculti bs.
1669281;1497291317;mircea_popescu;phf the topic of making clients for teh eulora is very much open, my model is that there's a bunch of 3rd party clients, from text to whatever gpu-enabled thing.
1669282;1497291330;mircea_popescu;heck, danielpbarron is moving towards an actuall dvd distro of the whole thing.
1669283;1497291343;asciilifeform;phf: i'd doubt that the existing open sores turd would do the job ( esp how 'render without gpu' is a more or less entirely untested component, 'everyone has gpu!111' etc )
1669284;1497291361;mircea_popescu;but, which is how this spitoon unravelled, in order to properly expose this for people to work on gotta have sane protocol, for which you need sane data model or else do conversion, and well...
1669285;1497291384;phf;i kind of want to take a stab at doing a common lisp text only client, but i think i lost my password again, and i'm too embarrassed to ask for another recovery........
1669286;1497291395;mircea_popescu;why ?
1669287;1497291401;mircea_popescu;it dun cost me nuttin
1669288;1497291459;mircea_popescu;phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cnpEH/?raw=true
1669289;1497291468;mircea_popescu;just as long as you dun lose you know, your actual key.
1669290;1497291493;mircea_popescu;(believe it or not, ~95% of pw recovery attempts fail because the player lost his password in the sense of, ALL SOFTWARE ON THE MACHINE, data included.)
1669291;1497291599;phf;a fairly inexpensive way to learn some of the tmsr lessons
1669292;1497291605;mircea_popescu;aha.
1669293;1497291614;mircea_popescu;of course, same 95% of players disappears back into the agar.
1669294;1497291626;mircea_popescu;ie, they hadn't learned the lessons before, either, and not by accident.
1669295;1497291655;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669175 << excuse you, it was a "suburban", aka "glorified and overpowered van filled with bench seats"
1669296;1497291655;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 17:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668953 << dude's in fucking love, clearly. yo benjie : that's how plants look irl, not girl's fault you grew up in the boot of a 2 seater roadster!
1669297;1497291656;mircea_popescu;i imagine somewhere deep down they'll expect i'll come to believe this is my fault, or something. weirdo socialist shifthink.
1669298;1497291665;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i stand excused.
1669299;1497291689;ben_vulpes;my blog is story of ignorant american bumpkin discovering slowly painfully each and every lie he's been told by the imperial press corps
1669300;1497291716;ben_vulpes;"holy shit look at what happens to tomato plants when grown by humans" "yes, and?" "..."
1669301;1497291719;mircea_popescu;i have a lot of sympathy. because my fucking artichokes grew like 2.5 m tall.
1669302;1497291733;mircea_popescu;and it was traumatic.
1669303;1497291743;mircea_popescu;"bitch is taller than me nao what."
1669304;1497291817;mircea_popescu;then winter fucking came, and there they sat under the snow, green and preppy as everything. and i was googling for home version flamethrowers, for you know, insurance just in case like.
1669305;1497291837;phf;ben_vulpes: could you possibly add timestamp (hh:mm:ss, say) to your div.line's. maybe as data-ts="..." or perhaps as a div.nick title?
1669306;1497291839;mircea_popescu;"honey, if one night you see the artichoke bush sneaking into the bedroom, push this lever here and then hold the spigot that way and crank this."
1669307;1497291888;ben_vulpes;phf: pretty sure mimi's on utc
1669308;1497291911;ben_vulpes;phf: certainly, rush job?
1669309;1497291928;phf;no, whenever
1669310;1497291961;ben_vulpes;aye aye
1669311;1497291999;mircea_popescu;diana_coman s/oh-so-funny comments/ever sadder epitaphs/ ?
1669312;1497292034;phf;i think it would be handy if loggers supported web export in kako format over some alternative url. so you could for example say http://bvulpes/log?format=kako&date=2016-01-01 and that'll give you id;ts;nick;message plain text. think i'll write a proposal for it
1669313;1497292055;mircea_popescu;seems a perfectly sane format.
1669314;1497292064;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that's actually very fitting indeed; will change, thank you!
1669315;1497292072;mircea_popescu;my pleasure!
1669316;1497292078;mircea_popescu;and i mean that, literally.
1669317;1497292087;ben_vulpes;mod6: i'll add a quotulator, it's been on my backburner for a while
1669318;1497292107;phf;right now i have a handful of hacky python scripts that simply proxy /mkj/yyyymmdd and /bvulpes/yyyymmdd. they return dates in kako format, but parse html using pyquery.
1669319;1497292108;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see ? usage breeds interest & improvement ?
1669320;1497292108;diana_coman; diana_coman is a warrior; nice post <- out of the saddest necessity really; thanks!
1669321;1497292916;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669131 << it's a thorny bush, but i'm with alf : as long as the TEXT reads historically accurate, where the text links can be up to your implementation. person doesn't like where you direct the links, the historicval original is one copy/paste op away.
1669322;1497292916;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 16:17 phf: asciilifeform: so right now, if you click in the little up arrow, it'll take you to the location in btcbase. i think i might've disabled link substitution at some point on account of it being a subtle log manipulation
1669323;1497292973;mircea_popescu;this wouldn't be the same redirecting links in a html, where _anchor_ used to go to url1 but now it'd (silently, unless you kept actual html copies) goes to url2. but in irc format there's no way to link other than by textually dumping a link, so...
1669324;1497293129;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/comey-sexually-intimidated-by-trump/ << Qntra - Comey Sexually Intimidated By Trump
1669325;1497293162;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669139 << i thought the prediction was to be for the exact opposite occuring.
1669326;1497293162;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 16:53 asciilifeform: trinque: kako now runs a public pissoire , voice-for-all, complete with gimmebots, ethertards, etc., many joys
1669327;1497293224;mircea_popescu;this is lulzily reminiscent of the weabo thing sina dug up yest. it's easy enough, from the tard perspective, to go "hey, i live in canada, mp lives in romania, basically the same thing yes ?" but then a few years go by, during which mp has lived in argentina and costa rica, and well... suddenly it's not nearly all that similar anymore.
1669328;1497293241;mircea_popescu;the curse of the 3yo brain, to be unable to distinguish between car and cardboard cutout depicting car.
1669329;1497293289;BingoBoingo;From Twodog land to NoDawg land
1669330;1497293356;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo considering the man is what, 777 yo, that title is particularly lulzy
1669331;1497293413;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No seriously. NYT and LAT had girlie pantsuit columnist write that Comey is exactly what they imagine being sexually harassed by the boss is like
1669332;1497293425;BingoBoingo;*columnists
1669333;1497293438;mircea_popescu;why they spend so much time trying to imagine that on the company dime is nobody's line of inquiry, i expect.
1669334;1497293463;mircea_popescu;"fake news faux editorialists jailed today for sexual fetishism involving their bosses."
1669335;1497293489;BingoBoingo;You mean fetishually harassing their bosses
1669336;1497293510;mircea_popescu;somehow 50yo redneck taking girlie to his house in the woods and showing her a ropey good time for a coupla weeks is like a fucking emergency ; but 20something sexually useless wreck daydreaming about her boss doesn't even warrant a slap on the wrist ?
1669337;1497293522;mircea_popescu;send them to pick garbage on highway side for a coupla weeks for their impure thoughts, i say
1669338;1497293530;mircea_popescu;tis how the brits ran their empire, back when they had an empire to run.
1669339;1497293602;mircea_popescu;and no, the two aren't fucking coincidental.
1669340;1497293815;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: i'll add a quotulator, it's been on my backburner for a while << ok cool! no hurry
1669341;1497294414;BingoBoingo;https://imgoat.com/uploads/ff1de77400/23144.png
1669342;1497294436;mircea_popescu;the achievement of standing up
1669343;1497294477;shinohai;kek
1669344;1497294478;mircea_popescu;absolutely depicting the obese as human, showing supposed "affection" etcetera should be a felony.
1669345;1497294505;mircea_popescu;the brits aim to send people to jail for watching "cartoon porn", yet nobody has yet figured out pretendin the overfat are human is an insult to suines everywhere.
1669346;1497294505;phf;ah, some retro BingoBoingo content
1669347;1497294944;mod6;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-6-12#2a454b3a-a8e2-4dd5-ac40-06d93d11c092 << haha
1669348;1497295134;mod6;"Fat is healthy." << gtfo
1669349;1497295154;mircea_popescu;no, they can stand see
1669350;1497295160;mircea_popescu;tjhat's th fucking criteria now
1669351;1497295172;mod6;lol. it was one piggybacking on another!!1
1669352;1497295179;mod6;:D
1669353;1497295243;mod6;717 lbs. "I'm healthy, lemme eat 15" pizza to destroy the patriarchy!"
1669354;1497295267;mod6;Alas, our modern times.
1669355;1497295306;mod6;like wat da faq
1669356;1497295316;mircea_popescu;myea
1669357;1497295953;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tjEvW/?raw=true
1669358;1497295953;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1669359;1497303258;mod6;i like how searching the logs for a word like 'stochastic' can lead me down 2012 memory lane
1669360;1497303333;mircea_popescu;i get lost in that pot with some regularity too
1669361;1497308843;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/AMUGo << in entirely unrelated, ultra-vintage lulz
1669362;1497309090;asciilifeform;'...Everything that concerned him was international community, which he thought was in his pocket. Now it was in his pocket in the sense that he was in their pocket.'
1669363;1497309389;asciilifeform;^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
1669364;1497309395;asciilifeform;)
1669365;1497309654;BingoBoingo;tyvm shinohai
1669366;1497309706;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/ethereum-blocks-way-the-fuck-too-big-smart-contract-ddosing-own-initial-coin-offering-to-blame/ << Qntra - Ethereum Blocks Way The Fuck Too Big: "Smart" Contract DDoS'ing Own "Initial Coin Offering" To Blame
1669367;1497309712;BingoBoingo; ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel' << Aka. When da jooz jew'd the Jay-double-Oh-Oh-Zee
1669368;1497310170;shinohai;np BingoBoingo ... some things are just too lulzy to keep me in hiatus.
1669369;1497310248;ben_vulpes;shinohai: fuckin solid
1669370;1497310386;shinohai;ty ben_vulpes o7
1669371;1497310784;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1669372;1497310788;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2683.95, vol: 31370.11890057 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2643.0, vol: 13810.82291 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2599.0, vol: 47971.41729155 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2815.78353, vol: 22425.16260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2640.986, vol: 10126.8639028 | Volume-weighted last average: 2667.08959118
1669373;1497311240;mircea_popescu;how well would all this price shitting would work if only silbert & friends had the capacity to print bitcoin.
1669374;1497311253;mircea_popescu;really now, lets give it to them, for the good OF THE COMMUNITY!!!
1669375;1497314297;shinohai;http://archive.is/bvxYe COVFEFE!!!
1669376;1497315149;lobbes;"Communications Over Various Feeds Electronically for Engagement." heh
1669377;1497315571;shinohai;Your tax dollars at work.
1669378;1497317373;mircea_popescu;pretty fucken sad
1669379;1497319313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'll note that the losers took the republican position, imaginary higher ground, bullshit like that
1669380;1497319323;mircea_popescu;in all such disputes, whoever fires most wins.
1669381;1497319387;asciilifeform;i still dun get m. begin's pov. ordered his men to surrender and join idf! and had the auctoritas that... they did
1669382;1497319401;mircea_popescu;because idiot.
1669383;1497319408;asciilifeform;and so the british pest was permitted to continue to live, and infest the continent
1669384;1497319414;asciilifeform;to this day.
1669385;1497319423;mircea_popescu;people who believe violence is not the answer don't belong alive.
1669386;1497319453;mircea_popescu;and it's a sickeningly common view among underground fighters because they makle the mistake to "salvage their sanity" by "pretending this is something that's not them"
1669387;1497319454;asciilifeform;and this was the d00d who ran irgun ! supposedly, tough motherfucker who killed brits with bare hands etc.
1669388;1497319459;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY like loser barrista.
1669389;1497319466;mircea_popescu;yes, but.
1669390;1497319506;mircea_popescu;fucking credo goes "this is my rifle" etc specifically BECAUSE loser = dude who thinks "whatcha hassling me for man, it's just a gig, it;'s not my life"
1669391;1497319520;mircea_popescu;it is your fucking life motherfucker. now shoot, and shoot fast and bust heads on every round.
1669392;1497319587;asciilifeform;there is a pov that irgun was british-infested even earlier, though, and 'lehi' was the tru-fork. but i do not have a deep enough picture of the period events to say if.
1669393;1497319625;mircea_popescu;in general british infestation worked like staph aureus. "it's everywhere and it only does anything if you're already aids"
1669394;1497319642;mircea_popescu;at least that's my picture of the 1900s
1669395;1497319678;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that this is only half-correct -- brits also helped folx pick up the aids.
1669396;1497319697;asciilifeform;( most famously -- opium in cn. but similar elsewhere. )
1669397;1497319702;mircea_popescu;meh. consider -- china, 100% infested pre mao. did nothing. russia, tsar time, during "the great race", idem. did nothing.
1669398;1497319709;mircea_popescu;did ~nothing to the boers, either.
1669399;1497319806;mircea_popescu;only places it did anything were like sudan, israel, niggerlands.
1669400;1497319827;mircea_popescu;the us.
1669401;1497319928;asciilifeform;this thread a little too thin for asciilifeform's naked eye.
1669402;1497319948;mircea_popescu;just mah impression.
1669403;1497320100;asciilifeform;'When a terrorist group such as the Irgun Zvai Leumi sees their key objective completed, what do they do? In the case of their use of terrorism, the Irgun came to an end not because the funds died out or support waned, but because the leadership recognized the need to move to a more democratic and non-violent strategy. In order to continue pushing for additional change, no longer would the Irgun act under overt auspices of violence.
1669404;1497320101;asciilifeform;Their primary purpose fulfilled, they had no agenda supportable with violence anymore due to the creation of the state of Israel’s presence. Instead of disbanding after their success, the Irgun continued to remain active, shifting into a productive political role. ' -- random usg derp
1669405;1497320114;asciilifeform;pretty typical 'parliamentarian' rot ^ example
1669406;1497320123;asciilifeform;'violence is hard, let's go shopping'
1669407;1497320158;asciilifeform;iirc the irish folx went into this same /dev/null of history, quite recently
1669408;1497320176;mircea_popescu;yeah, i dunno that i'd take the wailing and whining of ronin women discussing the men into account
1669409;1497320299;mircea_popescu;the whole gambit of the mother is, "don't cry baby, see, X is gone now"
1669410;1497320315;mircea_popescu;it dun matter whether x is gone or not. what matters is the saying. maybe the baby is dumb enough and falls in the words trap ?
1669411;1497320323;mircea_popescu;and if not... she'll say it again and again andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andagain andv.
1669412;1497320327;asciilifeform;it boggles my mind that none of these folx ( at least afaik ) ever grasped that 'nonviolence', 'rule of law', 'parliamentarianism' were tentacles of the enemy, rather than a victory
1669413;1497320333;mircea_popescu;kinda why mothering sucks in the first place.
1669414;1497320382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect most of them really wanted to go shopping.
1669415;1497320408;mircea_popescu;it was utterly the case of eg ro revolution. none of the people there wanted "freedom". they were literally pissed off they can't drive over to austrian border and load up the car at the w/e discount shop.
1669416;1497320411;mircea_popescu;100% the problem.
1669417;1497320446;asciilifeform;the infamous 'sausage emigres' of su, ditto
1669418;1497320454;mircea_popescu;aha
1669419;1497320455;asciilifeform;( 'left motherland for 100 sorts of sausage' )
1669420;1497320467;mircea_popescu;so you know, they don't realise because they weren't there present in the first plac.e
1669421;1497320543;mircea_popescu;funny thing is, hruschev had the right idea with his "We'll sausage and oversausage!".
1669422;1497320556;asciilifeform;sorta why ben gurion had the boat shelled and the survivors - machine-gunned. had 0 to do with the cargo, but with the 900+ irgun recruits on board, who didn't yet 'want to go shopping'
1669423;1497320583;mircea_popescu;it's just kinda funny that a) the one eyed man in russian empire was deemed dumb by the blind ; and b) the unassuming and unexpected little chinese man ACTUALLY DID IT. never said it. did do it.
1669424;1497320593;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform likely, yes.
1669425;1497320623;mircea_popescu;which is how we know jews are congenitally stupid. if you can round up 1k of those people ande NOT ONE head lights up with the realisation that "either we walk out of here THROUGH the enemy or not at all", it's braindamage.
1669426;1497320630;mircea_popescu;same dead stock that populated the lime pits.
1669427;1497320673;asciilifeform;apparently not all were oven fodder
1669428;1497320683;mircea_popescu;but none had a working brain.
1669429;1497320684;asciilifeform;some -- formed irgun, lehi, etc
1669430;1497320693;asciilifeform;and went to multiply some brits by 0
1669431;1497320693;mircea_popescu;i would say the last jew with an actuallyt functioning noggin died pre 1900.
1669432;1497322275;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTF5gr_nOMc << not wholly unrelated.
1669433;1497322302;asciilifeform;( in re 'go shopping' )
1669434;1497322918;BingoBoingo;Questions http://qntra.net/2017/06/ethereum-blocks-way-the-fuck-too-big-smart-contract-ddosing-own-initial-coin-offering-to-blame/#comment-101819
1669435;1497323043;BingoBoingo; in general british infestation worked like staph aureus. "it's everywhere and it only does anything if you're already aids" << Who needs AIDS in USia or Britain where blood is sweeter than agar?
1669436;1497323081;mircea_popescu;|blood is thicker than water, because sweeter than honey"
1669437;1497323333;BingoBoingo;And sweeter than honey because insulin resistance
1669438;1497324201;mod6;evenin'
1669439;1497324216;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo remember that dude from fucking siberia begging in b-a years ago ?
1669440;1497325149;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not off hand
1669441;1497325168;mircea_popescu;myeah. lots of these
1669442;1497325188;BingoBoingo;Many times there were beggars, many times I was drunk. It is a miracle I remember as much as I do.
1669443;1497325379;mircea_popescu;hehe
1669444;1497327201;BingoBoingo;!!up Guest497
1669445;1497327202;deedbot;Guest497 voiced for 30 minutes.
1669446;1497330209;mircea_popescu;and speaking of html : im currently very impressed with http://dragoneternity.com
1669447;1497330218;mircea_popescu;buncha russians made a flawless browser game, it's something else.
1669448;1497333211;diana_coman;that dragoneternity game actually looks good
1669449;1497333239;mircea_popescu;considering the terror that working with browsers is in the first place, dudes are wizards.
1669450;1497333786;diana_coman;still: "latest Flash Player version is required for the client to function properly"
1669451;1497333795;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1669452;1497346567;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1669453;1497346573;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2748.08, vol: 32981.09395675 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2690.001, vol: 14567.0408 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2666.6, vol: 48856.8198473 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2865.6474, vol: 25657.15940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2743.689, vol: 10699.8473025 | Volume-weighted last average: 2734.08931823
1669454;1497347118;sina;https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/6gtrmd/freewalletorg_scam_millions_stolen/
1669455;1497347374;shinohai;Nah, funds are safe there. They store funds in a multi-signature cold storage with a bank level security grade!
1669456;1497347542;sina;bank level is the best security grade
1669457;1497347620;shinohai;This is obviously a step above - I'm willing to bet all passwords are secured with military grade encryption too, since they are so professional.
1669458;1497353247;mircea_popescu;shinohai mindboggling
1669459;1497353521;shinohai;ikr? I saw that item yesterday but didn't seem Qntrable to me as the "scam" appeared to be related to the Ethereum network self-DDoS.
1669460;1497353545;mircea_popescu;most wtf part is the notion those dorks actually had k's in btc
1669461;1497353569;*;mircea_popescu can't quite bring self to believe.
1669462;1497353617;shinohai;Well, if you don't have the private keys to an address to prove ownership, you really don't have anything at all, no matter how many imaginary numbers you are told you hold on a site.
1669463;1497353681;*;shinohai thinks the numbers are oft exaggerated on reddit to make the wheel squeakier .....
1669464;1497353840;mircea_popescu;must be
1669465;1497353887;mircea_popescu;typical half ounce a week "Drug dealer" gets robbed, thieves make away with 17k in cash and some cheap fake jewelry. "MULLIONS MISSING!!!"
1669466;1497353900;mircea_popescu;exactly how "drug busts" work, come to think of it.
1669467;1497353930;mircea_popescu;in case anyone still wanted indicia as to where the fish rotten from. it was the fucking "law enforcement".
1669468;1497354111;shinohai;Case in point: http://archive.is/fH2Hz - Where fentanyl you can buy all day in an DN market for $2-3 gram is suddenly worth $10k per
1669469;1497354121;shinohai;feeb maths
1669470;1497354159;mircea_popescu;a yeah, don't even remind me of the """major player""" silk road, that somehow was a big deal in spite of not being able to place one pound over xmas-new year's. TWO WEEKS!
1669471;1497354187;mircea_popescu;you can throw a rock in a la hotel and hit a waitress that's more of an "international drug market"
1669472;1497354320;mircea_popescu;if i were a judge i'd throw the book at this so-called "government" so help me. lie to me do one month in the can, no questions asked. so if it takes fifty da's it'll take fifty da's.
1669473;1497354414;mircea_popescu;given the current state of the rot i'd prolly convict 2/3 "law enforcement" 1/3 private citizens.
1669474;1497354517;shinohai;mircea_popescu will make America great again
1669475;1497354525;mircea_popescu;no he won't.
1669476;1497354537;mircea_popescu;i'd rather teach sheep torah.
1669477;1497354572;shinohai;lel
1669478;1497354610;*;shinohai found the commenter's name, SAM, to be suspect: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669434
1669479;1497354610;a111;Logged on 2017-06-13 03:01 BingoBoingo: Questions http://qntra.net/2017/06/ethereum-blocks-way-the-fuck-too-big-smart-contract-ddosing-own-initial-coin-offering-to-blame/#comment-101819
1669480;1497354623;mircea_popescu;ya think ?
1669481;1497361857;mod6;mornin'
1669482;1497361908;mircea_popescu;heya
1669483;1497362029;shinohai;Mornin mod6 ... anything cool brewing in your lab?
1669484;1497362053;mod6;Mornin' shinohai
1669485;1497362070;mod6;peted sent his getpeerinfo vpatch to the ML. so that's out there.
1669486;1497362084;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1669487;1497362134;mod6;and I started working on ticket #36 for trb, possible move of the deps folder for trb
1669488;1497362158;mod6;i got it to work lastnight, but im not satisfied with it yet.
1669489;1497362185;shinohai;That reminds me ....
1669490;1497362225;shinohai;!~later tell pete_dushenski Tested your patch, built fine, running on the dev box as I write this.
1669491;1497362226;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1669492;1497362239;mod6;cool, thanks for the testing shinohai
1669493;1497362281;shinohai;np, glad to help and love to see trb progressing and more peeps contributing.
1669494;1497362306;mod6;indeed!
1669495;1497365831;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very funny that jew thing you dug out. literally, the ENTIRE argument is "hey, let us scam you, because that's what goverments do, and if the goyim see us scamming you they'll believe w r government".
1669496;1497365860;mircea_popescu;how statists actually manage to live in their mental latrine is anyone's guess.
1669497;1497365879;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, is why i posted it
1669498;1497365900;mircea_popescu;entertainment value well worth teh read.
1669499;1497365949;asciilifeform;the altalena thing still , i'm told, smoulders, there are folx who have not forgotten the replacement of terrorist-republic-israel with usg-alt-israel
1669500;1497365986;mircea_popescu;myeah
1669501;1497366150;asciilifeform;( hey adlai !! whaddayathink )
1669502;1497366169;mircea_popescu;da fuck is some shithead 20something going to think.
1669503;1497366204;asciilifeform;dunno, but he's marched under the colours, and asciilifeform has not, so automatically 'gotta ask'
1669504;1497366211;mircea_popescu;nonsense.
1669505;1497366237;mircea_popescu;might as well ask the kfc colonel his professional opinion re fort sumter.
1669506;1497366796;shinohai;http://archive.is/cWlpR <<< By Gavin logic, moar ETH nodes = good while less BTC nodes = A OK
1669507;1497366810;mircea_popescu;he's in feeder phase.
1669508;1497366823;asciilifeform;wassat
1669509;1497366871;mircea_popescu;the hanno boecks always work in the same cycle. feeder phase where they "seem reasonable" and chumpatron phase where they shed the half-hour-horizon idiots who bought it.
1669510;1497366930;mircea_popescu;the ur-model of this is "modern" ourdemocracy currency. while they can falsify it, YOU can't. this means they can prop its value up for as long as it takes for idiot-you to buy into the theory that "usd is actually valuable", after which they can turn on the printing.
1669511;1497366985;mircea_popescu;which is why "eth has market value". the entire market value of ethereum (all chains) is under a grand. but the lizards will keep buying it, for all the fiddy bux a week that costs, to prop up the pretense. if it catches, they got "millionz" and if not they're out five coffees for a dozen losers who were getting that coffee off social security anyway.
1669512;1497367068;mircea_popescu;and this model ENTIRELY explains all of the "luminaries". werner koch worked the feeder-chumper cycle. stallman worked the feeder-chumper cycle. curtis yarvin worked the etcetera.
1669513;1497367147;asciilifeform;where's the cut between 'worked cycle' and 'turned traitor' ?
1669514;1497367158;asciilifeform;'worked' seems to imply cynical fraud from t=0
1669515;1497367167;mircea_popescu;cycle, definitionally, is multiple iterations.
1669516;1497367182;mircea_popescu;gavin worked btc, got kicked out, is now working eth, etcetera.
1669517;1497367189;asciilifeform;aah
1669518;1497367264;mircea_popescu;the fiat word is "serial entrepreneur" or whatever.
1669519;1497367281;asciilifeform;rms afaik is not a serial anything, had exactly 1 thing
1669520;1497367328;mircea_popescu;and that was emacs ?
1669521;1497367337;asciilifeform;lolno
1669522;1497367341;mircea_popescu;well ?
1669523;1497367343;mircea_popescu;2 things.
1669524;1497367344;asciilifeform;( emacs pre-dates rms )
1669525;1497367352;asciilifeform;hurd.
1669526;1497367356;mircea_popescu;but he worked the cycle on emacs first.
1669527;1497367380;mircea_popescu;then he worked it on software, and THEN he worked it on hardware.
1669528;1497367391;*;mircea_popescu still can't forget the "i have a laptop that doesn't exist" bs.
1669529;1497367402;mircea_popescu;"so where is it" "they stole it"
1669530;1497367413;asciilifeform;not sure if that one can be pinned on rms per se -- he was already in his ambulatory mushroom phase at that point
1669531;1497367430;mircea_popescu;get some crayons and color me shades of impressed.
1669532;1497367521;shinohai;In other democracy news: http://archive.is/3wCQw
1669533;1497369371;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other excavations, https://www.security.nl/posting/505769/Random+Bit+Generator+voor+zelfbouw >> 'Het ontwerp is volledig open source, het geleverde product is te verifiëren zodat je kunt zien dat er niets is toegevoegd of weggelaten, de randomization is wiskundig verifieerbaar. Er zijn drivers voor eigenlijk alle gangbare operating systems, zelfs voor OpenBSD, en dat voor een prijs van USD 40. Die onderbouwing zie ik n
1669534;1497369371;asciilifeform;iet bij nosuchlabs. En nee, er is totaal geen sprake van meer spreekwoordelijk alufolie, integendeel. Geen drivers, aansluiting via een niet meer aanwezig medium (seriele poort), beperkte hoeveelheid random data en ga zo maar door.'
1669535;1497369460;asciilifeform;^ d00d pushing 'onerng' over FUCKGOATS, with argument that the former 'is open source, mathematically verifiable, ...drivers for all current os, even openbsd...' while the latter 'no drivers, connection using obsolete medium - serial port, limited entropy'
1669536;1497369471;mircea_popescu;...
1669537;1497369494;mircea_popescu;isn't "onerng" the thing captain bullshit was pushing in that dumb chan ?
1669538;1497369501;asciilifeform;one of'em yes
1669539;1497369526;mircea_popescu;how did that quote abnout a confederacy of dounces go
1669540;1497369751;asciilifeform;nfi
1669541;1497369800;asciilifeform;linked mainly for the 'drivers' lul
1669542;1497369845;mircea_popescu;"you can always recognize a fuckgoats by that sure sign, that all the dounces in the county are arrayed in a confederacy against it."
1669543;1497369852;asciilifeform;aah yes.
1669544;1497369936;mircea_popescu;and here i sat and thought naively that open source is all about "hey, i perceive the need for these so called drivers, item dun has them, I WILL MAKE MYSELF"
1669545;1497369941;asciilifeform;gotta luvvv all the nitwits who think that pc has any business being able to talk TO an rng box
1669546;1497369949;mircea_popescu;isn't THAT what the douche was supposed to publish on his stupid blog ?
1669547;1497369956;asciilifeform;( which is what connecting via non-unidirectional interface entails )
1669548;1497370027;mircea_popescu;but no, instead every two bit twentysomething shithead importantly sits on an imagined throne and JUDGES THE WORLD!!11
1669549;1497370042;mircea_popescu;rather than try and fix it, and in the process learn a thing or two about just how utterly fucktarded they are.
1669550;1497370051;mircea_popescu;go, write fg drivers. what
1669551;1497370056;mircea_popescu;thje everloving fuck will they do ?
1669552;1497370056;asciilifeform;better still, to read the docs and think for 30sec and realize that THING USES NO DRIVER
1669553;1497370085;mircea_popescu;no but all the peripheral boxes he ever saw had the bullet point there.
1669554;1497370109;mircea_popescu;anywya, maybe we can talk diana_coman into borrowing us a manager class.
1669555;1497370114;mircea_popescu;better than driver.
1669556;1497370126;asciilifeform;wassat
1669557;1497370139;mircea_popescu;which one
1669558;1497370144;asciilifeform;managerclass
1669559;1497370148;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea.
1669560;1497370155;asciilifeform;aaah a burbulator
1669561;1497370167;mircea_popescu;but everything has a bunch of them so
1669562;1497370167;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485129 )
1669563;1497370167;a111;Logged on 2016-06-19 05:35 asciilifeform: the next morning, commander tours the base, says to sergeant: 'everything seems ok, but what is this nonsense, they showed me the scrapyard and your men threw out a perfectly fine burbulator!!!'
1669564;1497370308;BingoBoingo; might as well ask the kfc colonel his professional opinion re fort sumter. << "Lincoln was a war criminal" is the response I got
1669565;1497370310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread even here where somebody whined that FG doesn't work as a 'totem' where you 'plug in and forget and it just becomes your /dev/random' and that it has to be actively ~used~
1669566;1497370343;mircea_popescu;it's still not clear to me dumping it into the pool is a bad move.
1669567;1497370355;mircea_popescu;seeing how the alternative is koch-hashes.
1669568;1497370356;asciilifeform;it isn't that it is necessarily bad move
1669569;1497370375;mircea_popescu;i suppose "driver" in context might mean a kernel patch to feed /random from fg
1669570;1497370400;asciilifeform;but that the ~correct~ move is proggy that takes a /dev/foo1,/dev/foo2... as command line params and eats rng from ~there~
1669571;1497370423;mircea_popescu;yes but they already got their userland, and it's a) shit and b) unrecompilable.
1669572;1497370447;asciilifeform;'need to know principle', if you will -- kernel has no business having centralized 'and these here are rngs'
1669573;1497370470;asciilifeform;not to mention a proggy that eats rng oughta be periodically tested using ~known~ bits
1669574;1497370486;asciilifeform;to see if the expected output results
1669575;1497370492;asciilifeform;( known-and-previously-untried )
1669576;1497370493;mircea_popescu;yes. the idea being that your methiod while correct requires fixing all the shit programs. which ain't gonan happen. nor can it.
1669577;1497370507;mircea_popescu;whereas just feeding it into the kernel pool might help to some degree and is actually feasible.
1669578;1497370527;asciilifeform;cat /dev/yourfg > /dev/random &
1669579;1497370551;mircea_popescu;basically it's the eternal culture shock. "i protest that this tmsr item is ideologically incompatible with the shitempire i inhabit" "blow it out your ass" "TERRORISM!"
1669580;1497370734;asciilifeform;( incidentally astute students of FUCKGOATSology will notice that the principle is applied INSIDE the device as well - FG has nfi what is plugged into rng jacks, actual analogue rng boards or tester jig )
1669581;1497371314;asciilifeform;relatedly, at one point i considered a FG add-on that'd turn it into a ps/2 'keyboard' eternally pissing out, e.g., d0bc05f466024f14... which, e.g., xxd will happily eat & turn into binariola
1669582;1497371345;shinohai;Ledger branching out to pgptronics: https://github.com/LedgerHQ/blue-app-openpgp-card
1669583;1497371384;asciilifeform;keyboardization gives even greater 'nonspecificity of diddling', at the cost of 'can't have it plugged in 24/7, must use in bursts' ( as most os don't work with >1 kbd correctly )
1669584;1497371410;asciilifeform;shinohai: add to the loooong list of 'tardanos'
1669585;1497371810;shinohai;Quite
1669586;1497372830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the koch episode was actually illustrative of the futility of 'just fix /dev/random'. it'd have done ~zero~ against the koch rng poisoning thing.
1669587;1497372849;asciilifeform;if you can't recompile ( or better still, use sane proggy ) you're fucked, there is no pill.
1669588;1497372945;mircea_popescu;yup
1669589;1497372966;mircea_popescu;there's a reason the "security.nl" maggots say what they say.
1669590;1497372984;mircea_popescu;"use these things thatr won't do anything"
1669591;1497372994;mircea_popescu;"they're...easier!"
1669592;1497377191;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ^ d00d pushing 'onerng' over FUCKGOATS, with argument that the former 'is open source, mathematically verifiable, ...drivers for all current os, even openbsd...' while the latter 'no drivers, connection using obsolete medium - serial port, limited entropy' << limited entropy?! herp.
1669593;1497377278;mod6;these cows just don't care they they have an NSA fist in their asses. never did, never will.
1669594;1497377312;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BD81DECC6EBEB3D6B64A8BB042AF3DEBE41F28F7BC5DD0CC2768C84A5297453 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1568...0739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.156.19.254 (ssh-rsa key from 94.156.19.254 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (nagios2.telecablenet.com. BG 13)
1669595;1497377313;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BD81DECC6EBEB3D6B64A8BB042AF3DEBE41F28F7BC5DD0CC2768C84A5297453 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1792...6587 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.156.19.254 (ssh-rsa key from 94.156.19.254 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (nagios2.telecablenet.com. BG 13)
1669596;1497377353;mod6;"m00" "oh your butt hurts" "m00!" "maybe get that fist out of your ass..." "n000!"
1669597;1497377764;asciilifeform;mod6: elementarily, 'limited entropy', 'respectable mainstream' turd can put out whatever it wants, GB/s, of prng
1669598;1497377766;asciilifeform;'whitening'
1669599;1497377795;asciilifeform;( why to bother with hardware, if resorting to prng , remains a mystery )
1669600;1497377831;mod6;m0001
1669601;1497377871;asciilifeform;whereas harvesting actual entropy is painful, esp. if you want an engineering margin ( e.g. 2x in FG )
1669602;1497377894;asciilifeform;2x temporal, that is. on top of 4x spatial.
1669603;1497377920;asciilifeform;( each analogue board has 2 independent subunits, see schematic )
1669604;1497378005;asciilifeform;mod6: you will notice that no fg hits >8kB/s at room temp, while the theoretical max is 14.4kB
1669605;1497378057;mod6;sure.
1669606;1497378232;asciilifeform;there simply ain't moar to be had ( safely, that is -- you can use a faster-slewing op amp, in this collection scheme, but you will be harvesting power supply artifacts, 'voice of america', switching transients.. )
1669607;1497378262;asciilifeform;all 'electric' schemes for trng have the basic problem of 'breathing own fumes'.
1669608;1497378366;asciilifeform;von neumann's debias algo, and xor fold, are the two legit methods of dealing with this, but they have considerable cost ( each application of either , burns away 50% of incoming bits )
1669609;1497378386;mod6;then that's what it is.
1669610;1497378401;mod6;fuck 'em
1669611;1497378425;asciilifeform;( part of the appeal of 'atomic' trng is that the 'fumes' concern evaporates. )
1669612;1497378645;asciilifeform;!$ssh 94.156.19.254
1669613;1497378646;scriba;ssh banner of 94.156.19.254 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1
1669614;1497378652;asciilifeform;aw
1669615;1497378687;mod6;one of these times you're gonna pop it
1669616;1497378693;asciilifeform;which it
1669617;1497378704;mod6;what does that ssh thing do?
1669618;1497378723;asciilifeform;mod6: spits out the banner that Framedragger forgot to put in the original conversions
1669619;1497378728;mod6;oh
1669620;1497378730;mod6;ok
1669621;1497382316;mircea_popescu;so how's tricks in mod6 castle
1669622;1497382517;mod6;sweet
1669623;1497382528;mircea_popescu;glad to hear
1669624;1497382654;mod6;gathering some things up in eulora.
1669625;1497382662;mod6;having fun with that.
1669626;1497382785;mircea_popescu;ah i saw lel. how long has it been for you, 2 years now ?
1669627;1497383092;mod6;na, not quite that long. it ~has~ been at least since xmas or so since I popped in last tho.
1669628;1497383114;mod6;this whole year has been nuts. i feel like im constantly behind. all that stuff with my mom just sucked up so much time.
1669629;1497383117;mircea_popescu;ah
1669630;1497383127;mircea_popescu;yeah can rtake it out of one
1669631;1497383575;mod6;ya for sure
1669632;1497389235;jurov;asciilifeform: sorry to be shitharbinger, just writing to /dev/random is not enough https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/141197/why-writing-to-dev-random-does-not-make-parallel-reading-from-dev-random-faste
1669633;1497389252;jurov;it needs "yes i am sure" ioctl
1669634;1497389263;asciilifeform;lol!
1669635;1497389280;mircea_popescu;ah that's right isn't it
1669636;1497389300;asciilifeform;motherfucking kochs.
1669637;1497389327;mircea_popescu;heh
1669638;1497390694;BingoBoingo;Best Korea get it's own huffing currency siphon http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/06/13/dennis-rodman-returns-north-korea/
1669639;1497390896;mircea_popescu;it's !??!?!?!
1669640;1497391720;BingoBoingo;FUCK, no way to fix in lawg
1669641;1497391732;mircea_popescu;lol
1669642;1497391743;mircea_popescu;you gotta sit and meditate, it's getting ridoinculous
1669643;1497391745;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1669644;1497391749;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2700.35, vol: 17108.73242076 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2663.11, vol: 6150.18051 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2694.2, vol: 24703.98366288 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2827.998971, vol: 10709.68020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2704.2, vol: 7649.42853527 | Volume-weighted last average: 2715.66268137
1669645;1497393312;asciilifeform;in other 3-years-and-continuing lulz, https://archive.is/kGc6w >> '...I've been trying to build these style tools for around 10 years, on and off, and they have never built correctly for these targets and any attempt to put in a bug report about it is a waste of time as someone comes along states it works and closes it, even though it doesn't.'
1669646;1497393349;mircea_popescu;open sores.
1669647;1497393392;asciilifeform;it will have to be confiscated from the monkeys, like trb was.
1669648;1497393405;asciilifeform;asciilifeform has stabbed on and off at the problem, for a very long time.
1669649;1497393415;mircea_popescu;by now, pretty much foregone conclusion. if we need it, they can't have it.
1669650;1497393462;asciilifeform;end result is to be a vaguely msdos-like thing that understands how to configure x64 page table, put/get blocks of disk, and speak over rs232 port. and on top of this, a self-building gnat.
1669651;1497393471;asciilifeform;but this is yet far.
1669652;1497393494;mircea_popescu;in general, seems dos model is the winner. i dunno wtf unix is even supposed to be, honestly.
1669653;1497393502;asciilifeform;single-tasking, grim wartime thing.
1669654;1497393513;mircea_popescu;on preponderence of evidence seems rather 1950s equivalent of historical "craftsman secrets" bs.
1669655;1497393521;asciilifeform;nothing like what asciilifeform wanted, decade ago, to spend his life making.
1669656;1497393532;mircea_popescu;ie, low level labour strife, "how to make capitalist incapable of using his own capital goods without feeding us"
1669657;1497393535;asciilifeform;but it will have to be made.
1669658;1497393582;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how did yo9u want to spend life decade ago ?
1669659;1497393593;asciilifeform;lispm
1669660;1497393611;mircea_popescu;ah. yea.
1669661;1497393643;mircea_popescu;there's no absolute reason most of the dos thing can;t actually be lisp
1669662;1497393655;asciilifeform;inadequate iron.
1669663;1497393670;mircea_popescu;yes, but so far i am rather impressed with the demonstrated interop.
1669664;1497393692;asciilifeform;which interop
1669665;1497393699;asciilifeform;ah
1669666;1497393711;mircea_popescu;say between whatever phf runs log on and the log itself ; or whatever ben_vulpes runs the bot on and so forth
1669667;1497393729;mircea_popescu;they didn't turn into very sad shriveled raisins of pain for trying.
1669668;1497393729;asciilifeform;problem is that a language with nonhardrealtime gc is unsuitable for cryptography.
1669669;1497393743;asciilifeform;0 way to guarantee constant-time-anything
1669670;1497393756;asciilifeform;or to police branch-on-secrets
1669671;1497393758;mircea_popescu;this is shapinbg up to be the achile's heel for lisp huh
1669672;1497393764;asciilifeform;on c-machine -- yes.
1669673;1497393775;asciilifeform;sorta why asciilifeform has written 0 lisp for 3+ yrs
1669674;1497393787;asciilifeform;well, ~0
1669675;1497393971;asciilifeform;at any rate at this point imho it is obvious that the confiscation of computing from the enemy cannot proceed on linux.
1669676;1497393988;mircea_popescu;i am persuaded.
1669677;1497394006;asciilifeform;or bsd.
1669678;1497394012;mircea_popescu;unixanything.
1669679;1497394017;asciilifeform;aaaha.
1669680;1497394022;mircea_popescu;the reasons are plurious, there's not jhust this line
1669681;1497394041;mircea_popescu;there's also the "bunch of retards who think themselves competent and will wish to '''help'''" as per older threads re flies.
1669682;1497394042;mircea_popescu;and others.
1669683;1497394046;asciilifeform;the reasons, at this point, are not a mega-secret to anyone here.
1669684;1497394067;asciilifeform;for the 'helpers' -- the sharp end of a trench shovel.
1669685;1497394321;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> unixanything. << ditto
1669686;1497394328;asciilifeform;re os : i've observed before , that the only peripheral that unconditionally ~must~ work, is rs232 port.
1669687;1497394335;asciilifeform;everything else, even disk, is optional frill.
1669688;1497394342;mircea_popescu;the model is fundamentally broken. you do not actually want a multi-user machine, ever, period.
1669689;1497394354;mod6;yeah. back to dos-like sys
1669690;1497394356;asciilifeform;it is possible to accomplish useful work on a box where only cpu, memory, and serial ports, work.
1669691;1497394361;mircea_popescu;it's a stupid thing, like a multi-driver-wheel bus.
1669692;1497394368;mod6;haha
1669693;1497394387;mircea_popescu;"instead of making ten cars we made this bus with ten driver seats. talk it out among yourselves. there's bulletproof glass in some parts."
1669694;1497394409;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'd even not be wholly ludicrous to have 1 doslike thing per cpu core, and a standardized means whereby master (of which there is to be ONE) can drive the slaves
1669695;1497394414;asciilifeform;but beyond this - nothing.
1669696;1497394438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in an ideal world we just hijack intel management engine to do that job.
1669697;1497394473;asciilifeform;no need for any such thing, conventional pc arch is quite enough.
1669698;1497394485;mircea_popescu;no need maybe, but it's what you get lel
1669699;1497394486;asciilifeform;( to carry on N independent instruction streams )
1669700;1497394532;asciilifeform;the other bit, is that we are picturing a box without a nic. ( it may come equipped with one, but it dun get plugged in )
1669701;1497394544;mircea_popescu;no, no, nick over port!
1669702;1497394550;asciilifeform;strictly serial. if you want to speak via a nic, that goes on 2nd box
1669703;1497394565;mircea_popescu;the chineze had it.
1669704;1497394576;asciilifeform;the 'nic can dma, haha' thing evaporates.
1669705;1497394610;asciilifeform;nic sits on 2nd box, and if it gets 'magic packet', the most that enemy gains is the contents of the buffer kept there.
1669706;1497394621;asciilifeform;at any rate this is a pretty obvious scheme.
1669707;1497394654;asciilifeform;merely cumbersome. but if contemplating a return to 'msdos with bigger addr space', it is also fitting to discuss other cumbersomes.
1669708;1497394696;asciilifeform;( and any such return entails a 'from whence the drivers', for which the magic pill is... we haven't any. rs232, motherfuckers. )
1669709;1497394714;mircea_popescu;the experience with making / using the fg turns out most useful, really.
1669710;1497394733;mircea_popescu;both in terms of exposing the idiocy of the enemy in very specific terms, and in terms of providing solutions to teh problems.
1669711;1497394842;mircea_popescu;whaack stop fucking around join/parting and nicking already.
1669712;1497394859;asciilifeform;mauser first, questions later!111
1669713;1497394869;mircea_popescu;fucking lazy to op self.
1669714;1497394873;asciilifeform;lol
1669715;1497395036;asciilifeform;incidentally, a dick^H^Hsk-less pc makes for another interesting feature, a known-starting-state.
1669716;1497395048;asciilifeform;( i had a pogo going like this for a while )
1669717;1497395078;asciilifeform;it asks 'gimme a running state plox' via the talking port on warmup. and then runs.
1669718;1497395173;asciilifeform;( i.e. disk can be a tele-operated item in exactly same way as nic. )
1669719;1497395615;asciilifeform;>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lBzDS/?raw=true << from the archives of asciilifeform : simple c example of The Only Driver
1669720;1497395632;asciilifeform;( worx on all known pc chipsets, incl. mircea_popescu's 286. )
1669721;1497395645;asciilifeform;tested on, e.g., 'pcengines apu1'
1669722;1497395660;asciilifeform;a number of other opterons also.
1669723;1497395667;asciilifeform;ancient intel boxes from scrapyard.
1669724;1497395686;asciilifeform;and many, many boat anchors.
1669725;1497395740;asciilifeform;^ n00bs : don't try to build an' run on a unix, it won't wurk.
1669726;1497396075;ben_vulpes;this promises to be fun
1669727;1497396128;ben_vulpes;but proposed is not to exhume dos but run an ada os thinger?
1669728;1497396176;mircea_popescu;historical dos is only a very general design model
1669729;1497396192;mircea_popescu;to illustrate teh point
1669730;1497396219;*;ben_vulpes nods
1669731;1497396219;*;mircea_popescu is not very keen for eg on "tsr" insta-kerne-patch-from-userland bs
1669732;1497396260;asciilifeform;rom kernel.
1669733;1497396278;asciilifeform;( nao if only one could actually execute anything at all from rom on modern x86 !! )
1669734;1497396286;asciilifeform;but can still write ~as if for~ rom.
1669735;1497398904;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QCtCP/?raw=true
1669736;1497398904;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1669737;1497401275;mircea_popescu;!!up phillipsjk
1669738;1497401276;deedbot;phillipsjk voiced for 30 minutes.
1669739;1497401296;phillipsjk;changed channels, I see.
1669740;1497401325;mircea_popescu;!!key phillipsjk
1669741;1497401326;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/EB149E5BF80C1F2D3EBE0A2FB3DE81FF7B9D5160.asc
1669742;1497401411;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk who might you be then ?
1669743;1497401539;phillipsjk;I am the one with the horrible resume.
1669744;1497401568;mircea_popescu;ahahaha o really ?
1669745;1497401600;phillipsjk;maybe I can find it in the logs...
1669746;1497401661;mircea_popescu;use the search!
1669747;1497401776;mircea_popescu;!#s phillipsjk
1669748;1497401776;a111;149 results for "phillipsjk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=phillipsjk
1669749;1497401877;phillipsjk;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-06#1009384
1669750;1497401877;a111;Logged on 2015-02-06 00:00 mircea_popescu: "this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."
1669751;1497401936;mircea_popescu;lol. so did you fix it ?
1669752;1497401951;phillipsjk;Thought you might be interested to know that transaction fees are finally having an effect.
1669753;1497401958;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, not yet.
1669754;1497401965;mircea_popescu;well there's time.
1669755;1497401977;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk oh they are ? thanks for letting me know!1
1669756;1497402050;mircea_popescu;at first, when i received your letter, i at once said : surely, transaction fees are having an effect.
1669757;1497402070;mircea_popescu;but then, like a doubt occured to me. what if transaction fees aren't having an effect after all ?
1669758;1497402072;phillipsjk;On june 8th, Kraken sent out an e-mail saying that Bitcoin withdrawal fees would rise to 0.0025 XBT
1669759;1497402086;mircea_popescu;but then at once i told myself -- no, transaction fees are definitely having an effect!
1669760;1497402140;phillipsjk;Then on june 10th, they sent a follow-up email, saying in part:
1669761;1497402222;phillipsjk;"Many clients have said they prefer a lower bitcoin withdrawal fee even if it means slower transactions. Accordingly, we are now sending withdrawals together in batches to reduce cost. This allows us to reduce the bitcoin withdrawal fee to: 0.001 XBT"
1669762;1497402235;mircea_popescu;"the price of two strings tied to one can goes up to bla bla" ?
1669763;1497402237;mircea_popescu;ah i see.
1669764;1497402254;mircea_popescu;this makes exactly absolutely no sense whatsoever. fees are per byte.
1669765;1497402414;phillipsjk;Presumably transactions with many outputs are more efficient than dual input/output transactions. They may be able to eliminate an arbitrary number of round trips through their hot wallet as well.
1669766;1497402517;mircea_popescu;yeah, from 25 to 1, ie 95%
1669767;1497402572;mircea_popescu;i've been sitting here trying to recall which irrelevant scam "exchange" kraken is, can't really come up with much. was in the one the tradehills scammers made in their doomed but cheeky attempt to "come back" the usual coupla years later ? or was the one named after a pirate-era mpoe-pr post ?
1669768;1497402576;mircea_popescu;history will never know. but anyway.
1669769;1497402599;phillipsjk;I found the concept of V interesting. I worry it may have hidden fragility though. I may port it to BSD when I have time.
1669770;1497402630;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, they bought up CAvirtex, that is why I am getting e-mail.
1669771;1497402645;mircea_popescu;well, just as soon as you can be specific re that fragility, i'm, all ears.
1669772;1497402704;phillipsjk;You model assumes that people are able to review the code. It may not scale to large code-bases.
1669773;1497402713;mircea_popescu;what large code bases ?
1669774;1497402742;phillipsjk;That may be an orthogonal problem though.
1669775;1497402783;phillipsjk;Your solution in the logs is to replace unix with DOS to avoid that problem.
1669776;1497402786;mircea_popescu;moreover, it'd seem on the first pass that the "possible hidden fragility" of disallowing "large codebases" aka piles of crap nobody's ever read is preferable to the VERY LOUDLY OBVIOUS vulnerability of running black boxes
1669777;1497402828;mircea_popescu;today's dos discussion is entirely unrelated to this.
1669778;1497402835;phillipsjk;I believe code should be proven correct, so that abstraction leakage does not bite you in the ass.
1669779;1497402856;mircea_popescu;o ? and how do you prove large code bases correct ?
1669780;1497402893;phillipsjk;You prove the interface matches the documentation. repeat all the way up the stack.
1669781;1497402905;mircea_popescu;please tell me this "proven correct" isn't just anotgher idle handwave, "let that wizard over there do it"
1669782;1497402937;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk do you have handy a graph depicting the relation between x and e^x ?
1669783;1497402979;mircea_popescu;if people can't review the code nobody's proving anything. ever.
1669784;1497403059;phillipsjk;That is why I said the concern may be orthogonal. Lost keys are a concern.
1669785;1497403080;asciilifeform;lost key ~= death
1669786;1497403084;mircea_popescu;what lost keys ?
1669787;1497403085;asciilifeform;and is as it should be.
1669788;1497403091;asciilifeform;!!up phillipsjk
1669789;1497403091;deedbot;phillipsjk voiced for 30 minutes.
1669790;1497403099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aww i was gonna check this lost key thing
1669791;1497403107;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot phillipsjk
1669792;1497403107;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 2 connections.
1669793;1497403154;mircea_popescu;0 by 2 eh ?
1669794;1497403162;mircea_popescu;!#s "rate phillipsjk"
1669795;1497403162;a111;1 result for "\"rate phillipsjk\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22rate%20phillipsjk%22
1669796;1497403185;shinohai;lol
1669797;1497403205;mircea_popescu;mmm am i doing this baxwards ?
1669798;1497403210;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust phillipsjk deedbot
1669799;1497403210;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1669800;1497403222;phillipsjk;I think it would be useful to be be able to resign patches after running a computer-assisted proof checker )or just test cases) against them.
1669801;1497403227;mircea_popescu;trinque can you explain wtf this is ?
1669802;1497403230;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-05#1008139
1669803;1497403230;a111;Logged on 2015-02-05 07:37 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.phillipsjk.-1:162b44943bc0180c83a6648fa5aaaa3cbbeb78a4506a70bcbddccf8766452878
1669804;1497403244;asciilifeform;what it is, is the bug where nonpublic ~rates are permitted.
1669805;1497403253;phillipsjk;However that may be out-of-scope for what V is supposed to do.
1669806;1497403263;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk oh, the "wizard does it" thing emerges yes ? tell you what, loading up a label maker you put a "computer" label on with "correctes check passed" labes does nothing useful for everyone.
1669807;1497403276;mircea_popescu;stop "thinking" like that, it's not thought and it's not socially acceptable in adult males, either.
1669808;1497403288;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it should still see mine.
1669809;1497403312;mircea_popescu;or wtf. /me goes to read.
1669810;1497403341;asciilifeform;http://wot.deedbot.org/EB149E5BF80C1F2D3EBE0A2FB3DE81FF7B9D5160.html << seems to work there
1669811;1497403362;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh i see, 1 from me -one from daniel ok, i got confused. sorry trinque nothing unusal here.
1669812;1497403390;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk what's keeping you from re-signing anyway ?
1669813;1497403412;phillipsjk;wizard as in wise person yes. Last estimate I saw said about 160 people are do the work world-wide (mainly for the US military). (they want to know war-only weapon modes will actually work as intended)
1669814;1497403434;mircea_popescu;no, "computer assisted proof checker" is jsut another way to say "i wave it before my cat and see if it mews".
1669815;1497403441;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: i was one of these people, for a spell, hi.
1669816;1497403441;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, you have to re-review the code, do you not?
1669817;1497403443;trinque;!!reputation phillipsjk
1669818;1497403443;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XjSzS/?raw=true
1669819;1497403445;trinque;^ handy
1669820;1497403453;mircea_popescu;the "assisted" part simply signifies trhat the lazy operator intends to not do any work and still pretend like he has something to say.
1669821;1497403472;asciilifeform;phillipsjk: i hate to disappoint but : it's astrology.
1669822;1497403492;mircea_popescu;you have to READ the code. multiple times. multiple. many many times.
1669823;1497403495;mircea_popescu;HUNDREDS OF TIMES.
1669824;1497403511;asciilifeform;not to say that there isn't a handful of very narrowly useful 'proof' mechanisms -- some of them appear in, e.g., ada's Spark
1669825;1497403517;asciilifeform;but they are not a replacement for Fits In Head
1669826;1497403573;asciilifeform;and certainly not a mechanized path to 'spec guaranteed to fit the proggy'
1669827;1497403614;trinque;one sec. phillipsjk wasn't your resume about washing dishes and something volunteer pirate ?
1669828;1497403626;phillipsjk;pretty much.
1669829;1497403638;trinque;k
1669830;1497403683;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk so how has teh interval treated you ?
1669831;1497403711;phillipsjk;well, I guess I am out for the night.
1669832;1497403727;shinohai;Those dishes won't wash themselves.
1669833;1497403730;asciilifeform;nooo, i wanna hear about how v is 'fragile'!!1
1669834;1497403730;mircea_popescu;laters.
1669835;1497403737;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron do you recall why you negrated the dood ?
1669836;1497403751;phillipsjk;mircea_popescu, ran out of money for my Bitcoin node. doing back-taxes should help.
1669837;1497403756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform give the man some toime, eh, he said might be, and so on.
1669838;1497403759;asciilifeform;aite.
1669839;1497403823;asciilifeform;twist : phillipsjk is the illustrious xiah lee
1669840;1497403838;asciilifeform;( d00d was last seen working as dish washer )
1669841;1497403852;mircea_popescu;on the internet no one knows you're a xiah lee!
1669842;1497403889;asciilifeform;err, xah lee
1669843;1497403900;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk i have nfi what that's supposed to mean, if you care. what back taxes and how does it help ?!
1669844;1497403952;phillipsjk;I make little enough money that the government tops me up a bit if I actually file.
1669845;1497403958;mircea_popescu;ah
1669846;1497403971;mircea_popescu;that... doesn't sound too happy.
1669847;1497403987;phillipsjk;even with Bitcoin appreciation
1669848;1497404014;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, bitcent > blowjob nao.
1669849;1497404868;asciilifeform;what's an ansi std. blowjob equal to ?
1669850;1497404876;asciilifeform;( iso ? )
1669851;1497406970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform back alley girl squatting ?
1669852;1497407666;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> danielpbarron do you recall why you negrated the dood ? << no i do not
1669853;1497407669;danielpbarron;!!v 1B5E2D36528BED0978D79E31C9C406CFC7677431A5B92E7BDD304915529A7907
1669854;1497407669;deedbot;danielpbarron unrated phillipsjk.
1669855;1497408386;mircea_popescu;meanwhile http://68.media.tumblr.com/15e339af5045b6bc9365f154377b454a/tumblr_onf1s41lRT1w30roao1_1280.jpg
1669856;1497409149;BingoBoingo; "the price of two strings tied to one can goes up to bla bla" ? << Nah, this is rising cost of tin solder driving higher price of toucans
1669857;1497409237;BingoBoingo; i've been sitting here trying to recall which irrelevant scam "exchange" kraken is, can't really come up with much. was in the one the tradehills scammers made in their doomed but cheeky attempt to "come back" the usual coupla years later ? or was the one named after a pirate-era mpoe-pr post ? << The USG created "Goxcatcher" created mostly to have a place to receive the legal effigy of MtGox
1669858;1497409245;mircea_popescu;ah
1669859;1497409274;BingoBoingo; I found the concept of V interesting. I worry it may have hidden fragility though. I may port it to BSD when I have time. << Already works on any OS with a runtime for a language V is implemented in. Can run on OS/2 Warp
1669860;1497409293;asciilifeform;speaking of, lulzy how they 'freed' karpeles so that he can help 'establish precedent' re 'we owed btc but will repay in usd per ancient exchange rate'
1669861;1497409326;mircea_popescu;hey, fatass did nothing wrong!
1669862;1497409339;asciilifeform;'only following orders'
1669863;1497409359;mircea_popescu;he can gang together with shrem and come with some "proposal"
1669864;1497409397;asciilifeform;already did, possibly. subj : https://archive.is/WnxWG
1669865;1497409410;mircea_popescu;i can't be bothered.
1669866;1497409438;mircea_popescu;whole menagerie of early losers isn't worth the kako it's printed on.
1669867;1497409467;asciilifeform;'...bitcoin claims are pegged at an exchange rate of one bitcoin to $485.50, the price the day before Gox declared bankruptcy, by order of a Japanese court. ' didjaknow.
1669868;1497409489;asciilifeform;'It’s a far cry from the man who controlled the center of the bitcoin economy just four years ago. “I’m working on quite a few projects,” he says. “But hey, got to make a living.”' didjaalsoknow.
1669869;1497409498;mircea_popescu;i had nfi japan abandoned they en
1669870;1497409502;mircea_popescu;the yen*
1669871;1497409517;mircea_popescu;controled my pubic hair jesus.
1669872;1497409532;asciilifeform;jp enmouthed the cock long, long ago
1669873;1497409554;asciilifeform;in '45.
1669874;1497409556;mircea_popescu;where i come from it's not even legal for a court to make orders re foreign currencies.
1669875;1497409671;mircea_popescu;but that technicality aside, you can fully expect a "court" of the fiat type to judge that "it's not fair" to have to repay THE THGING YOU STOLE. because "unjust enrichment" something something they're all stupid and ugly and their mothers should be ashamed of themselves.
1669876;1497409673;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai, punched it up a little for historicity's sake
1669877;1497409755;mircea_popescu;ahahaha coinbase srsly trying to pretend mp parity ? when did this happebn
1669878;1497409760;asciilifeform;eh if mr plebe gets caught stealing a doorknob from usg post office, he's in for 10k 'worth' of it plus prison
1669879;1497409799;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/coblee-and-coinbase-quit-each-other/ << Qntra - Coblee And Coinbase Quit Each Other
1669880;1497409846;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's only injust enrichment if individual gets what he was promised. when government outright steals that's just "legitimacy".
1669881;1497409853;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1669882;1497409870;asciilifeform;it's what 'rule of law' gargle is made of.
1669883;1497409888;BingoBoingo; phillipsjk i have nfi what that's supposed to mean, if you care. what back taxes and how does it help ?! << Generally a perk of dishwashing is that doing one's taxes means the government pays dishwasher. Very import subsidy supporting the ApplebeesMcHoulihams chemical industry.
1669884;1497409891;asciilifeform;'when WE steal, it's Legitimate, and stfu terrorist'
1669885;1497409928;BingoBoingo; hey, fatass did nothing wrong! << FAT IS WRONG!
1669886;1497409953;mircea_popescu;"rule of law" : if govt owes then http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/ ; if individual owes then he's a criminal for having had sometging in the first place!
1669887;1497409974;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no he stood up. fathealthy.
1669888;1497410008;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaaha, if plebe has >subsistence, he must have withheld Legitimate spoils from spoils-collector. iron logic.
1669889;1497410016;asciilifeform;see also the rembrandt thread.
1669890;1497410035;BingoBoingo;I haven't seen a single Karpicturales de-karpicting from head all the way to foot on floor without scaffolding to support weight
1669891;1497410058;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically, there isn't at the present time one single stupidity of the soviet republic that's not implemented by the anglotard empire. not ONE thing.
1669892;1497410077;mircea_popescu;all the shit they were whining about and importantly burbling, human rights, property rights, a future, bla bla bla, ALL OF IT.
1669893;1497410121;asciilifeform;aaactually the seeds of all of this, were not merely planted but sprouted when lenin was not yet even born
1669894;1497410140;mircea_popescu;yes but as late as the 80s they were pretending they know better.
1669895;1497410168;mircea_popescu;the mothers of the current crop of useless cunts with delusions of journalism were just as their daughters, importantly neighing about "obviously" and "everyone knows" bullshit they couldn't spell.
1669896;1497410183;asciilifeform;tell the folx expropriated by usg-cum-'private'railroads ( live <10mile of new tracks ? lose land ) about 'property right' , etc
1669897;1497410188;asciilifeform;1880s.
1669898;1497410202;asciilifeform;or hey why not also the plantators.
1669899;1497410203;mircea_popescu;afaik that was paid fer.
1669900;1497410206;asciilifeform;'paid'
1669901;1497410218;*;mircea_popescu has nfi
1669902;1497410238;asciilifeform;part of why usa has absolute shit rail today -- is the remembered hatred
1669903;1497410251;mircea_popescu;other than a vague awareness that it was pretty good business, buying land from usg at dollar an acre prices, then selling it back a month later to railway
1669904;1497410297;asciilifeform;'property right' was always a... flexible.. concept , in usa
1669905;1497410304;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, the whole reason "Cowboy" was even possible at all was that chicago canneries (where all the cowboys were headed) got rail link to new york, where all the corned * got et.
1669906;1497410318;asciilifeform;well yes.
1669907;1497410328;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, hey, sons of indians.
1669908;1497410357;mircea_popescu;although contemporary notation (say, clemens) does support a very healthy, tmsr-esque understanding of property rights in eg mining booms.
1669909;1497410382;asciilifeform;usa had periodic localized bubbles of sanity
1669910;1497410394;mircea_popescu;then the preachers moved in and "cleaned" the town up.
1669911;1497410397;asciilifeform;sorta why we're sprechen englisch
1669912;1497410434;asciilifeform;preachers, 'abolitionists', various.
1669913;1497410435;mircea_popescu;remind me btw, if i ever end up ruling a new fledged us of a cca 1800, the law will be to shoot all preachers and to hang all menopausal women.
1669914;1497410450;mircea_popescu;"humanitarians" are getting the tepes treatment.
1669915;1497410540;asciilifeform;'humanitarians' may well resemble mircea_popescu's model of 'aids british'
1669916;1497410547;asciilifeform;i.e. appear where there is already a smell of gangrene
1669917;1497410556;mircea_popescu;"officious intermeddler" aka concern troll.
1669918;1497410598;mircea_popescu;by comparison to the schmuck telling a what to do for b's sake, the scammer is actually quite frequentable.
1669919;1497410642;asciilifeform;'intermeddler' is a variant of scammer neh
1669920;1497410646;mircea_popescu;hence why preachers (what to do for god's sake!) == abolitionists (what you should do for negro's sake!!) == etc.
1669921;1497410659;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the sense stupidity is a variant of laziness.
1669922;1497410667;mircea_popescu;sometimes it's just brain damage.
1669923;1497410730;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the fact that the great-grandfathers ofd today's "free" maryland blacks had it way the fuck better as slaves is somehow un-known to "scholarship".
1669924;1497410739;asciilifeform;incidentally it's not wholly , imho, nonsensical to consider a picture where 'intermeddler' is actually providing a useful service -- a sync signal, if you will.
1669925;1497410759;mircea_popescu;just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER FUCKING TIME. there is no case known to history where the officious intermeddler's schemes didn't blow up ; nor has this ever been fucking admitted to, ever.
1669926;1497410766;asciilifeform;the advocated idiocy may be just that -- but the need to cut a buncha throats, is not illusory
1669927;1497410768;asciilifeform;it is always there
1669928;1497410799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the sense that woman has an inborn whiny tone through which it signals it's not been beaten in too long ?
1669929;1497410804;asciilifeform;aha
1669930;1497410827;asciilifeform;it's loud, clear, you can almost tune it in with a crystal set when standing next to one!111
1669931;1497410882;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's crackpot limonovesque hypothesis , ~societies~ also emit this squeal
1669932;1497410899;asciilifeform;'kill, pleeees kill us, by the railcar'
1669933;1497410929;asciilifeform;'we've gone too long between culls'
1669934;1497411089;asciilifeform;'we will carry on as obscenely obese, impudent swine who have never seen the knife!'
1669935;1497411170;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is not the first nor the last to observe that - e.g. su - croaked ~exactly when the last ww2 vets left public life there
1669936;1497411257;asciilifeform;and for all i know, usa began to sink when the last ww2-gen d00d checked into alzheimer home
1669937;1497411392;BingoBoingo; incidentally it's not wholly , imho, nonsensical to consider a picture where 'intermeddler' is actually providing a useful service -- a sync signal, if you will. << Downside o smoking cessation, loss of nicotine timing signal
1669938;1497412570;BingoBoingo;And it appears 21.co killed their node tracker
1669939;1497412618;mircea_popescu;was this the thing that kept pretending anyoen gives a shit abotu whatever bitcoin v 1650.2 ?
1669940;1497412679;BingoBoingo;It the "How many nodes run X software, that derp herp can our software find"
1669941;1497412851;BingoBoingo;!!up erlehmann
1669942;1497412852;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1669943;1497413095;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in spatial geometry, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6fb688cfd739d379bebd42697cc76871/tumblr_opboqorfJH1uwdmljo1_1280.jpg
1669944;1497413559;BingoBoingo;Oh my that must be some cold glass!
1669945;1497413672;BingoBoingo;Truefax https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/1930563
1669946;1497413804;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/1931664
1669947;1497413897;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669938 >> 'Replace your public email with an inbox that pays you Set up a 21 profile to receive paid messages from people outside your network. Keep the money, or donate it to charities like Black Girls Code. It's like LinkedIn InMail, except you get paid!'
1669948;1497413897;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 03:56 BingoBoingo: And it appears 21.co killed their node tracker
1669949;1497413902;asciilifeform;^ is what appears there nao
1669950;1497413957;BingoBoingo;Well it shouldn't have been so fat. Nao it's got butterbrain.
1669951;1497413968;asciilifeform;'oh noez, everyone on www can see that gavintron-of-the-day has ~0 nodes' 'must deleeeet!111 node viewrr'
1669952;1497414135;asciilifeform;lizard rep : 'why cantya just put in faeks' 21co gauleiter : 'oh but we always listed ip and port, folx can try and connect, so nao you gotta make at least aws sybils' lizard : 'mno, won't do, just nuke it'
1669953;1497414224;mircea_popescu;black girls code ?!
1669954;1497414253;asciilifeform;for all asciilifeform knows, there is also 'giraffes code'
1669955;1497414255;asciilifeform;'charity'
1669956;1497414279;mircea_popescu;i have never seen a african-american (which is very dubiously black, but anyway) female coding.
1669957;1497414323;asciilifeform;next : 'black code MATTERS' (tm)(r)
1669958;1497414612;erlehmann;mircea_popescu maybe that is exactly the point. making it happen, i mean.
1669959;1497414656;mircea_popescu;sorry, what's the context here ?
1669960;1497414663;mircea_popescu;!!up erlehmann
1669961;1497414663;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1669962;1497414775;erlehmann;1. person rarely sees black girls code 2. person decides this to be an injustice 3. person founds charity with intention to align world with personal sense of justice
1669963;1497414797;erlehmann;(well, that's *one* plausible story)
1669964;1497414812;asciilifeform;asciilifeform also has not seen them working arc welders. when charity for ~this~ ??
1669965;1497414820;asciilifeform;... and it pays better, typically, than programmer.
1669966;1497414824;asciilifeform;and unionized.
1669967;1497414835;asciilifeform;so when 'Black Gurlz Weld' ?
1669968;1497414841;asciilifeform;where do i send cheque ?
1669969;1497414875;erlehmann;i suspect welding might not have enough prestige to get that attention. but that's speculation.
1669970;1497414896;asciilifeform;who thinks that programmer has 'prestige' still, is smoking strong tobacco.
1669971;1497414900;mircea_popescu;erlehmann ah ah i see. well, why is person dedicated to seeing specific classes of people code ? i don't care.
1669972;1497414924;mircea_popescu;let them code if they want to, what.
1669973;1497414957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform srsly, arc welders. not to mention that unlike "coders", welding is actually skilled profession.
1669974;1497414962;erlehmann;originally i assumed that this kind of activism works like “i measured variable X, which is a proxy for injustice, let's just fix X by some means”
1669975;1497414966;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaha
1669976;1497414983;mircea_popescu;erlehmann ima make a charity for gluing all odometers to the same value, wtf.
1669977;1497415022;erlehmann;i once crowdfunded new underpants for a known troll who lost them during moving. people donated 300€.
1669978;1497415030;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1669979;1497415043;erlehmann;i did not donate. lesson: other people care about things i do not care about.
1669980;1497415067;mircea_popescu;either that or they're just stupid / inspired by satan.
1669981;1497415087;erlehmann;or greedy
1669982;1497415113;asciilifeform;printolade has this effect, where idiots are awash in >subsistence moneys. prick'em and they bleed it -- like ground once gushed with delicious petro without so much as proper drilling in 19th c
1669983;1497415138;mircea_popescu;after all they buy "music records" and whatnot.
1669984;1497415141;asciilifeform;aha
1669985;1497415151;asciilifeform;and 'harry potters' etc
1669986;1497415195;mircea_popescu;erlehmann how's greedy go ? they don't get anything for the underpants subscription do they ?
1669987;1497415206;erlehmann;warm fuzzy feeling
1669988;1497415217;asciilifeform;the evaporation of the buying power of said printolade, also nuked the immune systems of the chumps,
1669989;1497415230;erlehmann;re activism, i suspected quotas work like “we found that women talk significantly less in our gatherings than men, even though they represent ⅔ of in-group. this is an injustice. let's make a rule that men can't talk more, that'll fix it”
1669990;1497415234;mircea_popescu;i suppose maybe it's a conversation piece, "pay 10 euro and get to avoid how obviously you lack anything to say for one evening"
1669991;1497415234;asciilifeform;e.g. 'this dollar here, i can buy literally NOTHING with, why not drop it on Shitstarter'
1669992;1497415258;mircea_popescu;erlehmann this sounds so fucking stupid it is probably swedish.
1669993;1497415259;asciilifeform;erlehmann: this literally happened at 'occupy wallstreet'
1669994;1497415263;asciilifeform;i watched with own eyes.
1669995;1497415263;erlehmann;my criticism regarding such stuff was that fixing the measured variable does not fix the injustice and might even create perverse incentives
1669996;1497415274;mircea_popescu;hence the odometer remark.
1669997;1497415287;asciilifeform;i mean literally. as in , as erlehmann described.
1669998;1497415300;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they really had absolutely nothing to say, did they.
1669999;1497415302;asciilifeform;i might even have it filmed, collecting dust.
1670000;1497415309;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg
1670001;1497415314;mircea_popescu;just 100% "i'm here to take selfies of having been here for my fb page"
1670002;1497415316;erlehmann;asciilifeform i had such an experience in a group as well
1670003;1497415326;erlehmann;not at OWS, of course
1670004;1497415353;erlehmann;also i stopped attending the group soon after i learned about that
1670005;1497415367;mircea_popescu;erlehmann i still have nfi what can be just or injust about ELECTIVE FUCKING BEHAVIOUR.
1670006;1497415384;mircea_popescu;guess what, more black girls ride black cock than azns! THE INJUSTIwhat ?
1670007;1497415395;erlehmann;oh, people can be weird about stuff. peer pressure, etc. pp.
1670008;1497415422;erlehmann;at the conference i was at the weekend there was a workshop on anal exploration
1670009;1497415430;erlehmann;spoiler: i did not learn anything new
1670010;1497415458;erlehmann;intro was teaching people about asking potentially offensive consent questions.
1670011;1497415466;erlehmann;like, making them able to
1670012;1497415515;mircea_popescu;the what ?!
1670013;1497415533;mircea_popescu;jesus.
1670014;1497415534;erlehmann;i know i have no problems asking whatever, in most circumstances. EV of asking a person for sexual favors is positive in many situations.
1670015;1497415546;erlehmann;many people know this
1670016;1497415556;erlehmann;and still have problems asking (which is elective behaviour)
1670017;1497415566;erlehmann;or even saying no (which also is)
1670018;1497415567;mircea_popescu;if i were a woman, i'd be seriously put off by some dude who wanted to give me anal fissures and isntead of fucking asking me about it, recited some recipe he had found online / at some conference / whatever the fuck.
1670019;1497415602;mircea_popescu;"gee, you sound exactly like the other fifty schmucks. don't they have men where you're from ?"
1670020;1497415687;erlehmann;so for example a women came up to me and asked “can i smack your ass?”. i consented, she did just that. when i asked, if i can do the same to me, she declined. a weird moment occurred when she told me a few moments later that she only declined because she wanted to practice saying no.
1670021;1497415693;erlehmann;weirds me out
1670022;1497415699;erlehmann;apologizing for such stuff
1670023;1497415737;mircea_popescu;whole thing sounds like a retard reservation, really.
1670024;1497415739;erlehmann;it actually turns me off if people instead of saying “no” outright start to tell a story about their issues i might or might not want to hear (even if true)
1670025;1497415776;mircea_popescu;stuff should have been done in junior high, that's why it's even there.
1670026;1497415782;mircea_popescu;well, that and the multiplication table.
1670027;1497415857;erlehmann;regarding elective behaviour, peer pressure works
1670028;1497415912;erlehmann;regarding welding: https://www.arc-zone.com/blog/carmenelectrode/about/tips-for-women-in-the-welding-industry/
1670029;1497415929;erlehmann;note “It’s estimated that only 5% of welders in the U.S. are women.”
1670030;1497415936;erlehmann;implying injustice
1670031;1497415936;mircea_popescu;sounds about right
1670032;1497415961;erlehmann;but also: writer had no idea that welding was a good career option
1670033;1497415962;mircea_popescu;the % part, not the redditardesque interpretation thereof. there's nothing just or injust about % distributions of elective behaviours.
1670034;1497416001;mircea_popescu;it's actually twice as good as any collegiate bullshit of the "Criminology" ilk, in the sense that a welder can support a fucktoy, but two "college degreed" nobodies can barely afford a cat. if they scrounge.
1670035;1497416085;erlehmann;people often elect to do stupid shit because their peers do it. if a person during 1990ies looks like a member of the trenchcoat mafia on stock photos it is entirely possible that they came up with it independently. very unlikely, though.
1670036;1497416103;mircea_popescu;i do not credit this because one whit. what proof do you have to support the notion ?
1670037;1497416107;asciilifeform;plenty to go from , from welding also -- a crane operator can support 2-3 fucktoys
1670038;1497416129;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think i have a story about a plumber. supported a buncha them.
1670039;1497416134;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i have problems parsing “i do not credit this because one whit.”
1670040;1497416152;asciilifeform;aaha but i was speaking of the very threadbare usian world asciilifeform actually lives in, vs porn plumber planet
1670041;1497416156;erlehmann;why would one want to support other people if considering them fucktoys?
1670042;1497416163;mircea_popescu;erlehmann you said "people do because peers do". i do not see any grounds for the proposed causation.
1670043;1497416186;mircea_popescu;erlehmann for the fun of toying.
1670044;1497416196;erlehmann;mircea_popescu are you aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments ?
1670045;1497416204;mircea_popescu;why would one support other people if they DIDNT consider them some kind of toys ?
1670046;1497416211;mircea_popescu;erlehmann i am aware, yes.
1670047;1497416225;erlehmann;i see stuff like that everywhere. might be confirmation bias, though.
1670048;1497416225;mircea_popescu;are you aware you could increase your lifespan by 5 years by becoming a woman ?
1670049;1497416236;mircea_popescu;it's not even confirmation bias. it's just inept bullshit.
1670050;1497416244;erlehmann;care to explain?
1670051;1497416253;asciilifeform;'get married, grow taller'
1670052;1497416255;mircea_popescu;yes. but first, you ever read for instance the story of the airplanes ?
1670053;1497416292;erlehmann;probably not. i have no idea what you are referring to right now.
1670054;1497416319;mircea_popescu;alright, here : http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/
1670055;1497416345;mircea_popescu;say when you've read it and we continue the discussion of statistics, correlation, causation, proofs and so on. it's certainly a conversation worth having.
1670056;1497416357;erlehmann;ok
1670057;1497416844;mircea_popescu;!!up erlehmann
1670058;1497416844;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1670059;1497417120;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot erlehmann
1670060;1497417120;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
1670061;1497417132;mircea_popescu;erlehmann try voicing yourself, save us the hassle.
1670062;1497417469;mircea_popescu;erlehmann say !!up in pm to deedbot, then say !!v ah there you go.
1670063;1497417519;erlehmann;i just automated parts of it, that is why it took some time
1670064;1497417525;mircea_popescu;aite.
1670065;1497417725;erlehmann;i read the airplane text. i like it, actually. tits-in-dirt accounting, breast-fixated fuckwits, slutty statistics – that text might fit into any queer zine for all the wrong reasons.
1670066;1497417732;mircea_popescu;lel.
1670067;1497417737;mircea_popescu;ok, so now, let me ask you a question :
1670068;1497417749;erlehmann;also women of either gender!
1670069;1497417788;mircea_popescu;suppose i own a company, as i happen to. suppose this company employs one hundred widget lickers, as it doesn't. suppose one day one widget licker dies, and i advertise the open position. suppose one hundred candidates present themselves, and one is selected. suppose this happens a few times over a year, and over the years.
1670070;1497417817;mircea_popescu;would it be fair for me to go before the shareholders and say, "our company employs the top of the top in widget lickers, only the first percentile ever make it in" ?
1670071;1497417882;erlehmann;ha
1670072;1497417947;mircea_popescu;but you are right on the subsidiary point, trilema is essentially a queer zine for the 1%.
1670073;1497418013;erlehmann;i know this “we hire only the best” meme and would consider it dishonest, but maybe acceptable if used as idiot gauge.
1670074;1497418023;mircea_popescu;mno. specifically :
1670075;1497418044;erlehmann;failing to see the difference between “best who applied” and “best in industry” → back to logic school
1670076;1497418062;mircea_popescu;consider there are one hundred companies, just like mine. consider that whenever one of our widget licker leaves one company, another one hires him. consider that there's 99 idle fucktards who aren't qualified to drive, who also show up EVERY TIME, but are never selected.
1670077;1497418084;erlehmann;even more hilarious when companies narrow pool through “must live in SF”
1670078;1497418084;mircea_popescu;whenever you hire, you hire "one of the guys that could be hired", NOT "one of the guys that showed up under the apparent hallucinatory notion that they could be hired".
1670079;1497418105;erlehmann;i get it
1670080;1497418106;mircea_popescu;erlehmann exactly. so now, that's the source of the whole "get married - grow two inches" mockeries.
1670081;1497418157;erlehmann;so
1670082;1497418179;mircea_popescu;it is also the fundament of stuff like http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/
1670083;1497418187;erlehmann;i read that already
1670084;1497418217;mircea_popescu;ie : just because lincoln destroyed the republic under the pretext of "destroying the ghetto" does not mean there's no more ghetto. slaves are slaves, men are men. the republic is in shambles, that's it.
1670085;1497418229;mircea_popescu;alright, i guess that brings us in sync then.
1670086;1497418238;mircea_popescu;now. did you want to ask something ?
1670087;1497418245;erlehmann;about the text?
1670088;1497418267;mircea_popescu;about something. originally this started by you making a comment and me asking to sync first.
1670089;1497418269;mircea_popescu;i thought.
1670090;1497418317;erlehmann;i guess were chatting about people conforming to their peers regarding elective behaviour. i think most do. if i understood you correctly, you do not share that opinion.
1670091;1497418326;mircea_popescu;i do not.
1670092;1497418362;mircea_popescu;do cells conform to their peers regarding genotype expression ?
1670093;1497418418;erlehmann;i do not feel confident enough in my knowledge about biology to be able to answer that one.
1670094;1497418443;erlehmann;mircea_popescu something like this, maybe? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28406206
1670095;1497418450;mircea_popescu;alright. if you observe a parking lot, and see there are a lot of similar tubs on wheels there, do you expect the cars conform to their neighbours ?
1670096;1497418461;erlehmann;money quote
1670097;1497418463;erlehmann;> We analysed time series of lizard scale colour dynamics over four years of their development and demonstrate that this pattern is produced by a cellular automaton (a grid of elements whose states are iterated according to a set of rules based on the states of neighbouring elements) that dynamically computes the colour states of individual mesoscopic skin scales to produce the corresponding macroscopic colour pattern.
1670098;1497418478;mircea_popescu;alright ?
1670099;1497418480;erlehmann;not sure if this can be called conforming
1670100;1497418523;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i get the car analogy. i would not ascribe agency to the car, therefore i might at best assume that car owners conform to their neighbours.
1670101;1497418536;mircea_popescu;and why would you ascribe agency to the average muppet ?
1670102;1497418549;mircea_popescu;what, if any, is the actual basis of this notion ?
1670103;1497418700;mircea_popescu;leaving the theory aside, from actual, observed practice -- the muppets don't conform to their neighbours, but are conformed to their neighbours. by the muppet owners, yes.
1670104;1497418711;erlehmann;i see where you are going with this
1670105;1497418716;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1670106;1497418777;mircea_popescu;and obviously this all ties directly into my blasting of the whole "Social learning" lulz on trilema and here recently, if you've been following that.
1670107;1497418895;erlehmann;well, that would be one critique for the quota/empowerment thingy (would you say “quotatron”?): a theater for persons with characteristics might end up with persons that exhibits the characteristics, without changing something about society.
1670108;1497418916;mircea_popescu;but the fundamental problem is that it, characteristically, pretends there's 0 indirection layers.
1670109;1497418932;erlehmann;indeed
1670110;1497418944;mircea_popescu;much like google, pretending bayesian filtering over large bitfields is "artificial intelligence", much like inept dorks pretending raw notation of "observed phenomena" is science and so following.
1670111;1497418964;mircea_popescu;all the way down to the little guy, preteding raw reality vomit unfiltered and uncomprehended is "his life experience"
1670112;1497418987;mircea_popescu;and ostensibly "you couldn't understand because you haven't experienced" bla bla.
1670113;1497419002;erlehmann;regarding elective sexual behaviour, i observed people acting slutty if they know it is a) acceptable socially (i.e. their friends are doing it) b) they learn that it is possible (e.g. non-monogamy)
1670114;1497419015;mircea_popescu;and by people you mean women.
1670115;1497419021;erlehmann;so maybe there's no empowerment going on there, just a slut filter being installed
1670116;1497419043;mircea_popescu;i also observed that 9th graders all agreed sucking cock is very vulgar, only to agree four years later that only losers don't eat the penis.
1670117;1497419079;mircea_popescu;generation after generation, pattern repeats because contrary to what people thing, they don't really matter all that much.
1670118;1497419095;erlehmann;i observed differently, but my first girlfriend was probably some kind of underage succubus.
1670119;1497419100;erlehmann;i get the point
1670120;1497419126;mircea_popescu;so yeah, weak male expression will drive the females to overactive courtship.
1670121;1497419148;mircea_popescu;~the only thing "socially acceptable sluttines" signifies is small dicks.
1670122;1497419148;erlehmann;i was a wimp when i was 12.
1670123;1497419162;erlehmann;care to elaborate?
1670124;1497419167;mircea_popescu;i think everyone's a wimp when they're 12.
1670125;1497419214;erlehmann;metaphorical dicks?
1670126;1497419231;mircea_popescu;erlehmann why do you suppose afghani women don't go around topless ? is it because twitter hasn't perked up awareness enough yet ?
1670127;1497419281;erlehmann;loaded question. probably because of whoever is in power there to make the clothing rules.
1670128;1497419320;mircea_popescu;but maybe it's because http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/#selection-29.0-26.2 only holds in the oregon woods, not in the afghani hillside ?
1670129;1497419355;mircea_popescu;i've yet to encounter someone who was in power in the sense of making clothing rules. consider augustus tried to get people to wear the toga.
1670130;1497419490;erlehmann;re agency: i had a talk with a syrian electrical engineer yesterday. he needed a ride and explained that mostly young people flee that conflict because every side sees them as potential fighters. that was the moment where i decided that the neo-nazi meme “they wan't our jobs and our women” ascribed way too much agency to immigrants.
1670131;1497419503;erlehmann;that conflict → syria
1670132;1497419518;mircea_popescu;well, the arab notion is that young males are ~offal.
1670133;1497419538;mircea_popescu;whereas the anglo reich notion is that young shemales are god's gift to creation.
1670134;1497419562;mircea_popescu;so there's a pretty thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ? they'll despise you anwyay, and you'll lose parts you actually liked anyway, but hey.
1670135;1497419565;mircea_popescu;no country for young men.
1670136;1497419614;mircea_popescu;but no, ~nobody wants the fat ugly us/eu women.
1670137;1497419685;erlehmann;re fighter/faggot: when my grandfather was still alive, he showed me a photo from before the second world war. he was there as a young child with lots of other males.
1670138;1497419704;erlehmann;he then went on to “this one wanted to become a submariner, this one wanted to become a war hero” etc. pp.
1670139;1497419758;erlehmann;punchline: everyone else on the photo was a very dead fighter.
1670140;1497419776;erlehmann;grandfather was still alive, cowardly.
1670141;1497419787;erlehmann;i approve
1670142;1497419845;phf;asciilifeform: http://www.av8n.com/turbid/paper/turbid.htm
1670143;1497419864;erlehmann;mircea_popescu what do you consider thorny?
1670144;1497419883;phf;erlehmann: you have no honor, like a woman!
1670145;1497419901;erlehmann;phf deutsche haben sowieso keine ehre!
1670146;1497419958;phf;not an oglaf fan i see
1670147;1497419975;erlehmann;i am http://oglaf.com/honor/
1670148;1497420006;erlehmann;one of my favourites is the one with statues you can fuck
1670149;1497420066;erlehmann;http://oglaf.com/porkchisel/
1670150;1497420171;erlehmann;worst thing on conference was drunk guy who wanted to have my contact details after i told him that his captive portal will be truly fucked soon-ish and every other stranger at the lunch table agreed.
1670151;1497420191;mircea_popescu;erlehmann what do you mean what do i consider thorny ? things that have to be approached indirectly, or else.
1670152;1497420214;erlehmann;> so there's a pretty thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ?
1670153;1497420223;erlehmann;i don't see the dilema, re syria
1670154;1497420232;mircea_popescu;why, just because you like going shopping ?
1670155;1497420235;erlehmann;either die for nothing or live in sweden
1670156;1497420247;mircea_popescu;where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely.
1670157;1497420279;mircea_popescu;who the fuck are you to die for something, anyway.
1670158;1497420301;erlehmann;i should have been more precise, probably.
1670159;1497420344;erlehmann;i interpret choice fighter/faggot as a) fight in war, die soon b) go away, die probably much later
1670160;1497420351;mircea_popescu;you think adding the decimal points might save the credit card statement that was in the red a coupla grand by just adding the hundreds ?
1670161;1497420375;mircea_popescu;erlehmann yes, much like some priestly dude with aspirations to science interpreted "learning" to mean something nonsensical.
1670162;1497420377;erlehmann;though the syrian told me that refugees of both sexes he knows seem to have trouble finding partners in sweden
1670163;1497420385;mircea_popescu;i have no objection : when you beg the question, you get what you begged for.
1670164;1497420390;erlehmann;maybe because they are not bdsm bazillionaires (re: war)
1670165;1497420408;mircea_popescu;no, but because people tend to despise vermin.
1670166;1497420419;mircea_popescu;it's kind-of innate.
1670167;1497420439;erlehmann;surprisingly, he described sweden as very welcoming and not at all racist
1670168;1497420449;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46E2BC3DFECF66D5EB114D753CC7C15EDCC1601F9583FFE3D74CB86158CA41A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1108...6429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '32.215.44.114 (ssh-rsa key from 32.215.44.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US CT)
1670169;1497420449;mircea_popescu;right. i'm sure it is.
1670170;1497420449;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46E2BC3DFECF66D5EB114D753CC7C15EDCC1601F9583FFE3D74CB86158CA41A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1324...4823 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '32.215.44.114 (ssh-rsa key from 32.215.44.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US CT)
1670171;1497420462;mircea_popescu;i think you might've had the people/vermin division wrong.
1670172;1497420464;erlehmann;mircea_popescu not finding GF → evidence of racism!
1670173;1497420465;mircea_popescu;the swedes are the maggots.
1670174;1497420482;erlehmann;i understand completely
1670175;1497420489;mircea_popescu;they live in sweden, after all.
1670176;1497420504;erlehmann;country shaped like penis
1670177;1497420513;mircea_popescu;lol. is it ?
1670178;1497420524;erlehmann;on my keyboard, m and f are not right next to each other
1670179;1497420554;mircea_popescu;on mine neither.
1670180;1497420561;erlehmann;mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/hyLRDo1.jpg
1670181;1497420586;erlehmann;seems finland serves as sweden's balls
1670182;1497420598;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1670183;1497420613;mircea_popescu;ok, not bad. i guess i didn't spend enough time staring at that part of europe at the rightr age.
1670184;1497420815;erlehmann;i feel enlightened, but also sleepy. bye
1670185;1497420825;mircea_popescu;nn
1670186;1497420830;erlehmann;?
1670187;1497420835;mircea_popescu;good night
1670188;1497420901;erlehmann;oh, i won't sleep, probably. but i have mindless work to do and i feel in the right state of mind for that.
1670189;1497420910;mircea_popescu;alright, so enjoy.
1670190;1497420956;erlehmann;my coworkers say similar things. i always answer that work does not feel enjoyable for me and programming is not fun.
1670191;1497420966;erlehmann;i am kinda glad about that
1670192;1497420968;mircea_popescu;fine, SO SUFFER
1670193;1497421016;diana_coman;erlehmann, getting a picture ready with "this one wanted to NOT HAVE FUN" ?
1670194;1497421052;diana_coman;fwiw I talked to former army pilots; they had lots of pictures of lots of males as you might imagine; the punchline was...WHAT FUN WE HAD
1670195;1497421059;diana_coman;and yes, some of them were dead
1670196;1497421062;erlehmann;i made a tripping haskell programmer smile when i was like ALGOL – NO FUN ALLOWED
1670197;1497421097;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever met anyone i'd let into the house who was death-avoidance-oriented.
1670198;1497421101;erlehmann;diana_coman of course, the goal of war is not do die for your country, but to make the other basterd die for theirs
1670199;1497421118;erlehmann;> death-avoidance-oriented
1670200;1497421119;erlehmann;DOA
1670201;1497421128;mircea_popescu;DAO.
1670202;1497421131;erlehmann;wait
1670203;1497421133;erlehmann;DAO
1670204;1497421135;erlehmann;:D
1670205;1497421169;diana_coman;that's not even the point; one of them apparently kept being promoted/demoted in times of peace because he was a. an excellent pilot b. apparently unable to not have fun regardless of whether it's "permitted" or not
1670206;1497421201;mircea_popescu;lol
1670207;1497421204;erlehmann;i am thoroughly glad that i do not find work fun because it means i do not lose motivation when others do not have fun.
1670208;1497421214;mircea_popescu;there's a great film with cagney, about such a guy
1670209;1497421217;diana_coman;my take away from your picture story is that apparently each of those in the picture got pretty much what they wanted so...
1670210;1497421237;mircea_popescu;he's a dancer. but he also gets the visiting french president to do his bidding by showing him ww2 decorations etc
1670211;1497421244;erlehmann;diana_coman Инфа 100%
1670212;1497421248;mircea_popescu;thick 1950s us agitprop, but not bad
1670213;1497421301;erlehmann;ah, the train fills
1670214;1497421333;mircea_popescu;!~google the west point story
1670215;1497421334;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The West Point Story (1950) - IMDb: ; The West Point Story (film) - Wikipedia: ; The West Point Story (1950) - Overview - TCM.com:
1670216;1497421344;erlehmann;mircea_popescu was the cell conforming thing ment as a metaphor only or do you have something to share on cellular automata?
1670217;1497421386;phf;it seems like a questionable move to speak for your friend's motivations like that. sort of a classic moralist move "oh these bikers who were fucking, taking drugs, and riding wild DIED YOUNG!!1"
1670218;1497421410;mircea_popescu;erlehmann there's absolutely no relation between the mathematical model of cellular automata and biological cells.
1670219;1497421599;erlehmann;have you read the paper i linked? » http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670094
1670220;1497421599;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 05:34 erlehmann: mircea_popescu something like this, maybe? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28406206
1670221;1497421617;mircea_popescu;i didn't read it no. i skimmed.
1670222;1497421703;mircea_popescu;but really, skin pigmentation in reptiles ? not really a good example. consider -- why are all liver cells liver cells
1670223;1497421711;erlehmann;what would be needed to convince you that the researchers found a correspondence between a cellular automaton on a hexagonal lattice and skin cells?
1670224;1497421726;mircea_popescu;nothing. i'm convinced of that.
1670225;1497421750;mircea_popescu;besides, one day i found a correspondence between the direction in which my dog barked and whether it was gonna rain that day.
1670226;1497421791;erlehmann;assplain
1670227;1497421817;mircea_popescu;it's the oldest profession this, what! "bet you a dime the next person coming in the door will be female"
1670228;1497421831;mircea_popescu;it's not science, it's street urchinism.
1670229;1497421955;erlehmann;i can't follow. → sleepworking
1670230;1497443381;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670142 << this is pure gold, ty for posting, phf . it's rng-nonsense from back when folx were posting ~erudite~ nonsense, rather than the regular redditola snore
1670231;1497443381;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 05:57 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.av8n.com/turbid/paper/turbid.htm
1670232;1497443496;asciilifeform;phf: notice how the discussion of DAC artifacts omits... the clock
1670233;1497443562;asciilifeform;phf: ... or where the author elaborately justifies 'whitening'
1670234;1497443630;asciilifeform;at least in sect. 7 he admits that one oughta be able to switch it off prior to tests.
1670235;1497443648;asciilifeform;which puts him ahead of the entire 2005-present crop of derps
1670236;1497444006;asciilifeform;incidentally at one time quite a few folx, incl. some of the people here, used sound card rng
1670237;1497444036;asciilifeform;( there is an old thread where mircea_popescu mentions it; asciilifeform at one time also used )
1670238;1497444054;asciilifeform;a sound card rng is considerably better than... none at all. but this is all that can be said for it.
1670239;1497448155;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/9AZcm << meanwhile, the forkwarz folx. '...the Bitcoin industry came to an agreement in New York...' didjaknow!!
1670240;1497448287;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670140 << aaaaaand that is how we got merkel germany
1670241;1497448287;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 05:56 erlehmann: grandfather was still alive, cowardly.
1670242;1497448457;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670194 << i don't know of any su-world mil autobio that ~wasn't~ a 'what fun we had'
1670243;1497448457;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 06:17 diana_coman: fwiw I talked to former army pilots; they had lots of pictures of lots of males as you might imagine; the punchline was...WHAT FUN WE HAD
1670244;1497448467;*;asciilifeform aficionado of genre
1670245;1497448497;asciilifeform;whereas academics ( esp. -- unsuprisingly -- emigre academics ) invariably penned 'how much it sucked, how oppressed' etc
1670246;1497448572;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670195 << modern figure for su peacetime pilot attrition was, iirc, ~10%
1670247;1497448572;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 06:17 diana_coman: and yes, some of them were dead
1670248;1497448595;asciilifeform;as in, specifically splat -- not counting anybody who died of vodka, motorcycle, etc
1670249;1497448606;asciilifeform;which, i suspect, is as it should be
1670250;1497448640;asciilifeform;it was serious problem because the ~hardware~ was costly and ever in shortage -- rather than new d00dz
1670251;1497448691;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I kind of suspect the what fun vs how oppressed is a good way to tell what sort of person is talking basically
1670252;1497448698;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1670253;1497448711;diana_coman;heh
1670254;1497448739;asciilifeform;though with emigres it was somewhat complicated, some of them were (how does one even say this in english?) 'serving out their pay'
1670255;1497448813;diana_coman;I did notice some difference at old veterans of both wars - not really much talk of fun exactly but certainly not that impressed with death either
1670256;1497448845;diana_coman;and yeah, no idea re Americans exactly - my interactions were mainly with Europeans and I'd say biased towards Eastern Europe too
1670257;1497448870;*;asciilifeform also
1670258;1497448879;asciilifeform;by the time i got to usa, most of the people worth talking to, were dead.
1670259;1497448985;diana_coman;the only trouble with the emerging image of academia as "the land of how opressed" is the fact that...I knew some old real academics too; and they...had fun; also! lol
1670260;1497449089;diana_coman;so maybe more a sign of degradation rather than anything else (and yes, when I went into academia initially it was based on what I knew from those old people - the shock/unpleasant surprise was quite huge)
1670261;1497449133;diana_coman;by old people I mean born around 1920
1670262;1497451097;asciilifeform;aaaha, the ~last generation-of-people-worth-talking-to
1670263;1497451515;asciilifeform;the inescapable picture is that ww2 was the last time euro civilization's clock was wound.
1670264;1497451523;asciilifeform;and the spring's running down.
1670265;1497451897;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670156 << 'die not the straw death !' (tm)(r)(odin)
1670266;1497451897;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely.
1670267;1497452085;asciilifeform;'The sluggard believes | he shall live forever, If the fight he faces not; But age shall not grant him | the gift of peace, Though spears may spare his life.' ( havamal , bellows' translation )
1670268;1497452237;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670157 << see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654
1670269;1497452237;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: who the fuck are you to die for something, anyway.
1670270;1497452237;a111;Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
1670271;1497452308;asciilifeform;!#s right to marry her dog
1670272;1497452309;a111;5 results for "right to marry her dog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=right%20to%20marry%20her%20dog
1670273;1497452337;asciilifeform;^ winged phrase, this one, mircea_popescu
1670274;1497452431;asciilifeform;fwiw i can't picture serving in a nato army and NOT deserting and/or going to enemy at the first opportunity.
1670275;1497452457;asciilifeform;possibly is why asciilifeform is not in a nato army.
1670276;1497452482;asciilifeform;plug embrasure with yer arse, for clitler ? for soros ? srsly ?
1670277;1497452633;mircea_popescu;!!key Miezip
1670278;1497452634;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/9A9CDD44037D16CCDADCFB0FFF8BD9433CC6423C.asc
1670279;1497452934;shinohai;https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2017-the-ether-thief/ <<< It's a mystery! or, how to rewrite history in your favour ....
1670280;1497452950;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670238 << the history of computing is fulla this. not to mention the history of eastern europe.
1670281;1497452950;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 12:40 asciilifeform: a sound card rng is considerably better than... none at all. but this is all that can be said for it.
1670282;1497452968;mircea_popescu;shinohai good thing they figured out who satoshi was, at least.
1670283;1497453005;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670239 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-11#1668571
1670284;1497453005;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 13:49 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9AZcm << meanwhile, the forkwarz folx. '...the Bitcoin industry came to an agreement in New York...' didjaknow!!
1670285;1497453005;a111;Logged on 2017-06-11 04:51 mircea_popescu: it'll never end, this constant stream of improved improvements, until they're literally fucking buried, the muppets, will it.
1670286;1497453016;asciilifeform;'Thousands of dreamers and schemers and developers who populate the cutting edge of computer science, most of them young, had invested in the DAO. This was real money, a quarter of a billion dollars, their money, meant to build a better version of the world, and every cent was at risk.' << gold
1670287;1497453020;mircea_popescu;maybe we should start doing this, "the united states came to an agreement" bla bla.
1670288;1497453032;asciilifeform;konsensoos!!!
1670289;1497453317;mircea_popescu;"the united states has agreed during a conference in #trilema to cede florida back to spain"
1670290;1497453321;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not.
1670291;1497453329;mircea_popescu;historical justice etc.
1670292;1497453390;mircea_popescu;in fact the above agreement re the florida cession will actually do more than the even above-er "agreement" on talking-about-bitcoin-from-outside-bitcoin
1670293;1497453695;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670242 << it gets better. caragiale (possibly only romanian in the history of that political concoction to be suspectable of intelligence) praises greatly „Maior C Pruncu — Din campaniile mele (Crimeea, 1855, Algeria, 1856—57, Italia, Maroc, 1859). Tipărită la Bârlad în 1900, la tipografia George V Munteanu”
1670294;1497453695;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 13:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670194 << i don't know of any su-world mil autobio that ~wasn't~ a 'what fun we had'
1670295;1497453710;mircea_popescu;ie, a book from 1900 about a major's "what a great time we had" re 1850s wars.
1670296;1497453722;asciilifeform;lol why not also include anabasis.
1670297;1497453740;mircea_popescu;it was ~never different~. the male hut was this port in athens, where fun was had. the female hut was this literal hut, where they groomed and talked dumb shit.
1670298;1497453744;asciilifeform;( the mega-originator of genre!! )
1670299;1497453747;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i just did lol.
1670300;1497453765;mircea_popescu;i'm just saying -- this is universally and without exception true, in all cultures, times and places.
1670301;1497453951;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point being that "man's greatest possible as well as actual aspiration is to wait upon some dumb cunt and the miserable maggots that crawl out of her cunt with some regularity" was never in history socially acceptable or socially accepted. it became the norm post ww2 not for any reason than because it is a prerequisite (among many other) for stacking pseudo-people like sardines.
1670302;1497453969;mircea_popescu;the 1850s major and his ilk WOULDNT HAVE FIT in the baby boomer producing cheap housing.
1670303;1497453980;asciilifeform;hey even asciilifeform barely fits
1670304;1497453990;mircea_popescu;aha.
1670305;1497454009;*;asciilifeform occupies entire 'standard american' house and has it at this point mostly packed like nazi sub
1670306;1497454067;mircea_popescu;and the whole story of "oh, 1800 style squalor and poverty and five points erradicated!!! great ourdemocracy progress!!!" is really just very caked on masking upon the base fact that "we redirected all resources away from fun, so that now there's nothing to do but wait to die a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670156
1670307;1497454067;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely.
1670308;1497454071;asciilifeform;the 1850s d00d probably would barf before even entering sorry hovel : 'where is the pasture ? whaddayamean quarter acre of shitmud ? '
1670309;1497454156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the funhny thing is, baby boomer producing cheap housing is ~what obama gets today
1670310;1497454164;mircea_popescu;ie, GREAT GRAND LUXURY!
1670311;1497454179;asciilifeform;i thought he bought an 'old money' 19th c thing
1670312;1497454185;asciilifeform;but i did not go an' see, no
1670313;1497454187;mircea_popescu;"bitch, we've come so very far, your socialism and me, that now i gotta be president to get the house a returning midshipman'd have got"
1670314;1497454246;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-08#969958 see also.
1670315;1497454246;a111;Logged on 2015-01-08 14:06 cazalla: it all shrinks, i grew up visiting my opa's backyard on the weekends, spending week days in my own parent's smaller backyard, what do i have for my own son? next to fucking nothing, no-one has kids, no-one has familiies, no-one can afford shit, land of opportunity my fucking ass
1670316;1497454259;asciilifeform;see also also, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265005
1670317;1497454259;a111;Logged on 2015-09-07 04:00 mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial.
1670318;1497454295;mircea_popescu;it's an important exercise, for the "land of the free home of the brave" soviet union citizen 2.0, to review the 1950s movies, and implicitly what things looked like.
1670319;1497454308;asciilifeform;sorta why they quasi-banned them
1670320;1497454311;asciilifeform;the old films.
1670321;1497454313;mircea_popescu;which is i suppose why they don't./
1670322;1497454315;asciilifeform;esp. the pre-1940s ones
1670323;1497454370;mircea_popescu;what, like bette davis stuff ?
1670324;1497454385;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-08#969953 <<< bweahaha 2015
1670325;1497454385;a111;Logged on 2015-01-08 14:02 mike_c: there's another 14 btc for bitbet investors. maybe this bet will spark a rally in the stock.
1670326;1497454394;asciilifeform;the ones where ~anyone worth the mention has 'hired help', etc
1670327;1497454423;mircea_popescu;mm ?
1670328;1497454475;asciilifeform;general idea : the 'packed sardine herders' want the old world -- forgotten. the one that built the flat asciilifeform grew up in -- built 1907, 4 metre ceilings
1670329;1497454494;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670249 << i tell you, if i was airforce command, i'd throw a hissy fit, and not rest, nor let anyone sleep, until it was less than 1%
1670330;1497454494;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 13:56 asciilifeform: which, i suspect, is as it should be
1670331;1497454495;asciilifeform;with frescoed chandelies.
1670332;1497454498;asciilifeform;*chandeliers
1670333;1497454508;mircea_popescu;if you ever played heroes you know you CANT FUCKING LOSE TEN PERCENT OMFG YOU ARE ALL FIRED WITH STICKS
1670334;1497454508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no can do with su iron
1670335;1497454517;mircea_popescu;will fucking do it.
1670336;1497454540;asciilifeform;part of what did it was the reluctance to catapult
1670337;1497454550;asciilifeform;tradition was that a man ought not unless so ordered.
1670338;1497454557;asciilifeform;often not ordered quite in time.
1670339;1497454561;asciilifeform;(because how)
1670340;1497454567;mircea_popescu;dude, i'm sleeping i nthe factory, it's not gonna be 10%
1670341;1497454678;asciilifeform;i suspect that you can choose b/w 'realistic training conditions' ( e.g. worst weather, iced runways, live fire, overrevving, overceilinging, spins ) and everybody-lives
1670342;1497454681;asciilifeform;xor.
1670343;1497454698;asciilifeform;prolly dun have to lose 10%, but with su iron -- is what they lost.
1670344;1497454726;mircea_popescu;not everybody though.
1670345;1497454750;mircea_popescu;just, if you're gonna get rid of them, shoot them while fucking cadets wtf.
1670346;1497454762;mircea_popescu;i'm not spending flight hours on horsemeat.
1670347;1497454766;asciilifeform;they very often sacked cadets.
1670348;1497454774;asciilifeform;something like 70-80%
1670349;1497454781;mircea_popescu;aha
1670350;1497454921;asciilifeform;http://militera.lib.ru/bio/reshetnikov_vv2/index.html << mega-b00k on subj.
1670351;1497454928;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670259 << famously, gah!
1670352;1497454928;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 14:03 diana_coman: the only trouble with the emerging image of academia as "the land of how opressed" is the fact that...I knew some old real academics too; and they...had fun; also! lol
1670353;1497454952;mircea_popescu;so i was gonna quote this story with my grandfather regretting the time of stalin, except apparently it;'s not in the log ? and there's even attempts to find the shit, like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-15#1433159
1670354;1497454952;a111;Logged on 2016-03-15 02:00 mircea_popescu: !s "we were younger then"
1670355;1497454977;mircea_popescu;but the idea being, dude went from romania to odessa and then to tatra mountains. and then came back and was uni professor.
1670356;1497454985;mircea_popescu;veterans can be academics too!
1670357;1497454993;mircea_popescu;in fact, anyone can. and horses, senators.
1670358;1497454994;asciilifeform;e.g. asciilifeform's grandfather
1670359;1497454999;asciilifeform;( not famous )
1670360;1497455000;mircea_popescu;there's no bar of entry to the derpy professions.
1670361;1497455013;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, pushing a point, famous because i recounted it
1670362;1497455210;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670273 why thankee.
1670363;1497455210;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 14:58 asciilifeform: ^ winged phrase, this one, mircea_popescu
1670364;1497455274;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670275 << possibly why the last time "nato army" even existed as such was mid-early 1990s. today it's entirely a parade & "technical support and training" affair.
1670365;1497455274;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 15:00 asciilifeform: possibly is why asciilifeform is not in a nato army.
1670366;1497455288;asciilifeform;oh hm earlier meant to link to https://profilib.com/chtenie/24163/valeriy-grigorev-obrecheny-na-podvig-kniga-pervaya.php -- b00k re ~peacetime~ aviators, with almost same title (though the other is more well known, this was specific to thread)
1670367;1497455324;mircea_popescu;also is why asciilifeform is not in nsa :D
1670368;1497455354;asciilifeform;lol, could have been , at one point was starving and volunteered
1670369;1497455371;asciilifeform;( see old thread )
1670370;1497455376;mircea_popescu;aha
1670371;1497455605;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, like ~all of the other boys he knew, wanted nothing more than to be in red army, ideally circa 1942 or so
1670372;1497455613;mircea_popescu;o, really ?
1670373;1497455615;mircea_popescu;i didn't.
1670374;1497455619;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise
1670375;1497455623;mircea_popescu;lol why ?
1670376;1497455641;asciilifeform;well mircea_popescu's 1942 was a little different neh
1670377;1497455649;mircea_popescu;later, as a young man i mean, they begged me to go, but i couldn't be arsed.
1670378;1497455658;mircea_popescu;different than what ?
1670379;1497455666;asciilifeform;than asciilifeform's
1670380;1497455674;mircea_popescu;i dunno. how was it different ?
1670381;1497455708;asciilifeform;in the sense where it was the beginning of 50 yrs of su yoke
1670382;1497455714;asciilifeform;for mircea_popesculandia
1670383;1497455743;mircea_popescu;eh, listen, the practice and the ideological theory dun work so well in practice. for one thing, dja know the caer rules were adjusted basically to accomodate...romania ?
1670384;1497455759;mircea_popescu;no fucking eu law was ever modified in the same manner.
1670385;1497455811;mircea_popescu;otherwise, militarily, ceausescu opposed the invasion of czechoslovakia, basescu opposed thje invasion of serbia, 0 diff.
1670386;1497455908;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, moscow got bombed, iassy got bombed, whatever, ww2 in europe.
1670387;1497455908;asciilifeform;tru
1670388;1497455957;mircea_popescu;teh russkis stole all the u-rich quartz and the muricans stole all teh wood.
1670389;1497455964;mircea_popescu;really i dun see teh difference.
1670390;1497455994;mircea_popescu;at least the russians used it to make bombs. these fucktards grind perfectly fine pine down to mix it with glue and make their stupid paper wasp nests, it's gross on top of being stupid.
1670391;1497456893;trinque;http://archive.is/dLlaV << gunman shot up some soi disant republicans
1670392;1497456961;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
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1670394;1497456986;trinque;50 to 100 shots fired... "several" hit. lol? guy was a star wars fan or something?
1670395;1497457150;trinque;shinohai: pls halp. I maxed my cards out at 3k
1670396;1497457548;asciilifeform;from same rag, 'Uber Technologies Inc director David Bonderman said on Tuesday that he has resigned from the company's board following a remark he made during an Uber staff meeting that was widely seen as offensive to women. "There's a lot of data that shows when there's one woman on the board, it's much more likely that there will be a second woman on the board," Huffington said. In response, Bonderman said: "Actually, what it show
1670397;1497457548;asciilifeform;s is that it's much more likely to be more talking." Bonderman, who is a founder of private equity firm TPG Capital, an Uber investor, shortly after wrote an email to Uber staff to apologize. In his resignation statement that followed on Tuesday evening, Bonderman reiterated his regret...'
1670398;1497457615;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/RFrcx )
1670399;1497457690;trinque;recalling the thread with diana_coman the other day, this'd be the difference between competent women finding places of authority and female culture saturating social arrangements.
1670400;1497457713;asciilifeform;the competent folx, you will generally never hear about, unless firsthand
1670401;1497457737;asciilifeform;the talkers -- will hear, see, read on front page of völkischer beobachter..
1670402;1497457739;shinohai;>.>
1670403;1497457924;mircea_popescu;trinque very aptly put
1670404;1497457943;asciilifeform;"several" hit << notice, 0 corpses. psyop.
1670405;1497457953;asciilifeform;well, 1 corpse, the trigger man
1670406;1497457959;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/fucking-goats/ << Daniel P. Barron - Fucking Goats
1670407;1497457974;asciilifeform;oh hey
1670408;1497457994;asciilifeform;neato danielpbarron !
1670409;1497458205;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: http://nosuchlabs.com updated with link to your piece.
1670410;1497458232;danielpbarron;neat
1670411;1497458632;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: re /dev/random, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669632
1670412;1497458632;a111;Logged on 2017-06-13 21:27 jurov: asciilifeform: sorry to be shitharbinger, just writing to /dev/random is not enough https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/141197/why-writing-to-dev-random-does-not-make-parallel-reading-from-dev-random-faste
1670413;1497458673;asciilifeform;( linux malignantly does The Wrong Thing here )
1670414;1497458691;mircea_popescu;it is for to protect teh chitlins.
1670415;1497463487;BingoBoingo;OMG, WILL TRUMP OCCUPY BELLEVILLE?
1670416;1497463776;BingoBoingo; 50 to 100 shots fired... "several" hit. lol? guy was a star wars fan or something? << Terrorist from Belleville aka East-East St Louis. Write up incoming
1670417;1497463794;mircea_popescu;he had to destroy the village to save the village
1670418;1497463820;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670230 << it is the kind of nonsense either one of us could've written in younger years, so yeah, old school.
1670419;1497463820;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 12:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670142 << this is pure gold, ty for posting, phf . it's rng-nonsense from back when folx were posting ~erudite~ nonsense, rather than the regular redditola snore
1670420;1497463847;BingoBoingo; "several" hit << notice, 0 corpses. psyop. << Notorious local crank
1670421;1497463910;phf;including the intentionally omitting parts not from malice, but from not exploring it enough in hopes that it somehow holds true
1670422;1497464318;mircea_popescu;ah, youff.
1670423;1497464472;asciilifeform;phf: and by dac i meant of cource adc, lol
1670424;1497464494;asciilifeform;( think of adc sampling artifacts as similar to the pixel moire you see when old vhs camera filmed room with crt display.. )
1670425;1497464586;asciilifeform;phf: 'not exploring it enough in hopes that it somehow holds true' is in fact the essence of bad rngology
1670426;1497464593;asciilifeform;'whitening' and all the other sins, flow from it
1670427;1497464602;asciilifeform;of 'symmetric ciphers' also ('i cannot break, therefore strong!!')
1670428;1497464618;mircea_popescu;"i cannot bed, therefore whore"
1670429;1497464644;asciilifeform;'i dun seem to get off the ground by flapping arms, thereby flight is impossible for man'
1670430;1497464663;mircea_popescu;"i never had anything to say worth 4mb, therefore should be enough for all trilemas"
1670431;1497464764;asciilifeform;re whitening, it might be interesting to apply 'dragonfly fpga' to 'distinguish sha'd bitstream from nonsha'd'
1670432;1497464766;mircea_popescu;o wait, i got the best one
1670433;1497464788;mircea_popescu;"people are fundamentally good, and there's a spark of essential human-ness in everyone"
1670434;1497464795;asciilifeform;lolly
1670435;1497465440;asciilifeform;in other veryveryolds, https://archive.is/PQIyo << moar re the 'altalena affair' , for aficionados
1670436;1497465465;asciilifeform;'The elected Zionist leadership under David Ben-Gurion detested the two "dissident" groups. First, because they prevented it from conducting the policy it considered right. Every time a compromise with the British authorities was under discussion, they undertook some spectacular action against the British, such as the blowing up of the British headquarters in the King David hotel, the murder of Lord Moyne or the hanging of two Britis
1670437;1497465465;asciilifeform;h sergeants. Second, the dissidents threatened the leadership’s authority. Third, the leadership was leftist, while the Irgun was on the extreme right. (The ideology of the Sternists is harder to define.)'
1670438;1497465494;asciilifeform;'oh noez, accursed partizans, every time we sit down to vichyate, they piss on the parade!'
1670439;1497465522;mircea_popescu;basically, ~rhodesia, except colors switched
1670440;1497465533;mircea_popescu;the commies were in power and the actual humans trying to get them out
1670441;1497465539;asciilifeform;aaha.
1670442;1497465627;mircea_popescu;should have hung gurion, actually.
1670443;1497465635;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why right wing is always so conflict-averse.
1670444;1497465645;asciilifeform;d00d was the authorized-muppet of internationalkomyoonity.
1670445;1497465649;mircea_popescu;so ?
1670446;1497465661;mircea_popescu;fucking hang him
1670447;1497465680;mircea_popescu;and generally, the "do the one thing which would make the the femwailers wail worst" is a fine heuristic
1670448;1497465691;asciilifeform;and would have hanged, but for the sorry bastard, m. begin, who shat his pants (or, alternate, turned coat)
1670449;1497465692;mircea_popescu;strictly better than anything a "trained strategist" might come up with
1670450;1497465708;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, there's just this dumbass "respectability" on the right.
1670451;1497465727;mircea_popescu;"it wouldn't do to hang some shithead as loved as ben gurion"
1670452;1497465739;mircea_popescu;dude... #1, that's primo reason to hang him, and #2, who the fuck loved him ?
1670453;1497465744;mircea_popescu;not your friends, was it.
1670454;1497465746;asciilifeform;the other quislings, who else.
1670455;1497465750;mircea_popescu;aha
1670456;1497465751;asciilifeform;who loves a quisling.
1670457;1497465756;mircea_popescu;"Gavin is so popular" bla bla.
1670458;1497465758;asciilifeform;author of the article, incidentally
1670459;1497465759;mircea_popescu;suuuuhuhuhure.
1670460;1497465767;asciilifeform;'The elimination of our armed underground was possible only because the vast majority of the Israeli population understood that with the establishment of the state the national aim had been attained, and the actions of the armed groups could only endanger that achievement.' didjaknow.
1670461;1497465782;mircea_popescu;oh hey, how's the stealing the having stolen work ?
1670462;1497465793;asciilifeform;lenin's rm -rf of mahno comes to mind.
1670463;1497465817;mircea_popescu;this incidentally was purely byzantine invention
1670464;1497465830;asciilifeform;shooting ex-ally in the back ?
1670465;1497465840;asciilifeform;probably as old as opposable thumbs
1670466;1497465846;mircea_popescu;"there's this legion of angels, which are just you know, bestest better people (and without dicks) waiting rightr behind that hill behind me so you'd better not attack!"
1670467;1497465859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, the faux consensus of astroturf
1670468;1497465863;asciilifeform;ah
1670469;1497465892;mircea_popescu;"first, i created some imaginary friends because i was lonely, and then i started going around pretending ourdemocracy and elected official"
1670470;1497465996;asciilifeform;'Ben-Gurion publicly praised the "holy canon" that sank it.'
1670471;1497466023;mircea_popescu;well obviously. the lefty UNDERSTANDS the above point re outrage.
1670472;1497466495;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/leftist-terrorist-from-belleville-attacks-gop-baseball-team/ << Qntra - Leftist Terrorist From Belleville Attacks GOP Baseball Team
1670473;1497466541;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/2g1pJ << kook's (seemingly incomplete) letters to the editor https://archive.is/2g1pJ
1670474;1497466650;asciilifeform;betcha pantsuit-congress can't wait to put various things to vote, what with the +1 ( 2? 3? ) advantage.
1670475;1497466684;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well congress critter apparently is alive
1670476;1497466709;asciilifeform;for nao
1670477;1497466755;BingoBoingo;Shooter dead, legit appearing kook radicalized by fake nooze
1670478;1497466788;BingoBoingo;Really Trump needs to do a military response to the Belleville problem
1670479;1497466818;asciilifeform;'We need to bring our country out of today’s recession by raising the number of tax brackets from six to 20 or more and the top marginal rate of 35 percent on $380,000 to 60 percent on $20 million or more. In 1938 we had 33 brackets from 4 percent for most of the country to 79 percent for income over $79 million.' lullz
1670480;1497466868;asciilifeform;'I would wish all people under an annual income of $1 million to get behind the 99 percent, and back the push for tax reform. My motto is: “Tax em like 1938.”'
1670481;1497466940;BingoBoingo;Belleville's where all the white people from East StL did their flight to in the 1950's but now their children and grandchildren would rather be food in their growning Lafond-Land than flee and be racis again.
1670482;1497467069;asciilifeform;from same rag, https://archive.is/WAJ1b >> 'Reaction was fast and sometimes furious on James T. Hodgkinson’s Facebook page Wednesday morning before the page was removed by Facebook. The man may have had a second Facebook account, which was also missing by noon Wednesday.'
1670483;1497467090;asciilifeform;^ they zapped some ~other~ similar-named schmuck's acct for good measure
1670484;1497467096;asciilifeform;a la mircea_popescu-and-fetlife
1670485;1497467104;asciilifeform;pure gold.
1670486;1497467139;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/0Ln3X << from also same rag, '...was told to stop shooting in the woods near his home... In 2009 he was charged by Belleville with failing to obtain an electrical contractor license or electrical permit before performing work...'
1670487;1497467177;asciilifeform;^ ohnoez, TERRORIST, didn't respond CORRECTLY to being enpederasted -- instead of drinking to death, ohnoez, went to take a lizard or two with him to grave
1670488;1497467403;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out, the empire of the poor! GETS BEHIND!
1670489;1497467446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sounds rather joe stack-ish all this dunnit.
1670490;1497467453;asciilifeform;more or less.
1670491;1497467528;BingoBoingo;Mebbe he should have considered sucking less and not living in that shithole? Belleville is surrounded by numerous perfectly fine places that are better by virtue of not being Belleville
1670492;1497467550;mircea_popescu;weird old guys have this "my porch, bitch" attitude
1670493;1497467557;BingoBoingo;"OMG DOCTOR IT HURTZ" "STAHP DOIN THAT THEN!!!"
1670494;1497467559;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, especially, where they 'own' houses
1670495;1497467581;asciilifeform;y'know, just like every serf who ever lived
1670496;1497467587;asciilifeform;'my land'
1670497;1497467599;mircea_popescu;nah, it's an ancient thing. roman army veteran, or genoese trader, would one day decide to hang up them caligulas, buy a plot of land, a girl or two, and settle down there.
1670498;1497467613;asciilifeform;sorta how biology of aging worx
1670499;1497467623;mircea_popescu;the locals trying to thieve as much as possible out of this bounty is then what created commedia delle arte and the ~entire euro tradsition.
1670500;1497467656;mircea_popescu;(NOT "christianity", as socialist fucktards trying to steal the having stolen always mendaciously pretend()
1670501;1497467685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite.
1670502;1497467700;asciilifeform;the down side, as they'll find, to having stolen-the-havingbeenstolenfrom, is that the victim can suddenly take it back. pull it straight from the aether, from the arse.
1670503;1497467703;mircea_popescu;also sorta why any social organisation where young women aren't in sale and in bulk will fail.
1670504;1497467723;mircea_popescu;the deep reason arabs are threat to europe not other way around is to be found in that comment re girlies and shops in cairo i made years ago
1670505;1497467763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but they "raise awareness" other places to protect from this
1670506;1497467797;mircea_popescu;if white people discuss black chicks coding, they're not going to discuss http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669923
1670507;1497467797;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 03:25 mircea_popescu: amusingly, the fact that the great-grandfathers ofd today's "free" maryland blacks had it way the fuck better as slaves is somehow un-known to "scholarship".
1670508;1497467811;asciilifeform;sorta the entire scheme.
1670509;1497467815;mircea_popescu;aha.
1670510;1497467833;asciilifeform;incidentally item : next to iraq (yes!) embassy in washington, there was an old church
1670511;1497467841;asciilifeform;burned in 1970s blackriots
1670512;1497467848;asciilifeform;it was glassed in and preserved as memorial
1670513;1497467859;asciilifeform;well, i walked not so long ago there, and noticed the wrecking crew,
1670514;1497467870;asciilifeform;it is to be replaced with glass brutalist monster thing, soon.
1670515;1497467871;mircea_popescu;"time immemorial" yes ? :D
1670516;1497467874;asciilifeform;aaha
1670517;1497467889;asciilifeform;'hey idea, we'll rm -rf / the tombs, folx will forget the murders'
1670518;1497467900;asciilifeform;filed with the statues of texas etc
1670519;1497467901;mircea_popescu;the new soviet architecture is HORRIBLE btw. wtf is all the shit they built.
1670520;1497467905;asciilifeform;all looks same.
1670521;1497467908;mircea_popescu;i recently saw ny pics girl took, OMFG
1670522;1497467914;mircea_popescu;that town turned into ulaan baator.
1670523;1497467934;mircea_popescu;1 police plaza, seriously ?!
1670524;1497467938;asciilifeform;hey, same people as built gigantic latrine pit thing instead of the skyscraper
1670525;1497467942;asciilifeform;'memorial'
1670526;1497467952;mircea_popescu;crazy
1670527;1497467961;asciilifeform;it's a deliberate fuckyou to the sane.
1670528;1497467968;asciilifeform;~100% of what they build, consists of this
1670529;1497467978;asciilifeform;'fuckyou and guesswat you'll shuddup, terrorist, and eat it'
1670530;1497467987;mircea_popescu;it's too ugly to build.
1670531;1497468003;asciilifeform;it is 'built' like a pig 'builds' his shit
1670532;1497468017;mircea_popescu;on the basis of what usg builds, i would say one could definitively conclude no government should ever have any money.
1670533;1497468141;asciilifeform;the burned church was a very uncharacteristic monument for washington -- had little grove of bushes, trees, smelled great in the springtime, little 'celtic labyrinth' thing , sign, 'sit here and think..' etc
1670534;1497468162;asciilifeform;0 tourists, ~0 bomzhes, birds singing.
1670535;1497468181;asciilifeform;it gave impression of 'ice cube in the desert'
1670536;1497468190;asciilifeform;the only surprise is that it took so long as it did to melt away.
1670537;1497468207;mircea_popescu;i guesss so huh
1670538;1497468208;phf;the trick is to contrast the worst of black lives of the past with the best of the privileged lives of today. today everyone's equal by decree, so if you're not equal it's crime and travesty and someone ought to be punished
1670539;1497468242;asciilifeform;phf: aaaha, but also gotta punish white clerk, and for some reason never soros
1670540;1497468244;mircea_popescu;yet phf no black in the south had it as terribly as the black "free" workers in the north.
1670541;1497468256;mircea_popescu;seeing how you know, the former being chattels had a market value.
1670542;1497468351;mircea_popescu;but hey, whatever, clinton was gonna give them fifty acres and a mule
1670543;1497468366;shinohai;Domestic terrorism trifects in play >>> http://archive.is/PeVxZ
1670544;1497468369;asciilifeform;40 lol
1670545;1497468371;mircea_popescu;and i urge everyone without any acres or mules to get behind this plan
1670546;1497468372;shinohai;*trifecta
1670547;1497468386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform inflation.
1670548;1497468387;asciilifeform;for piglet!!!
1670549;1497468417;asciilifeform;'The construction worker said he also saw people on the roof with their hands up, letting police know they were unarmed.'
1670550;1497468418;asciilifeform;lol!!
1670551;1497468462;mircea_popescu;by now a fine way to get shot by "law enforcement" "responding" to "a situaiton" is to act like normal human being rather than the pond scum ustards are.
1670552;1497468503;asciilifeform;if yer white, they'll shoot, aha, and it will be printed in 0 newsrags and win 0 lawsuits
1670553;1497468513;asciilifeform;and 0 public whining countenanced.
1670554;1497468627;mircea_popescu;maybe black lives matter, cuz white lives sure don't.
1670555;1497468697;mircea_popescu;but anyway, "the suspect had his hands in his pockets and was whistling a tune, so of course the officer shot him. because that's what officers do, in this alt-nightmare we've built"
1670556;1497468715;asciilifeform;aha, could have a schmeisser in that ther pocket
1670557;1497468736;asciilifeform;and disobeyed orders to show ausweis
1670558;1497468746;asciilifeform;so naturally bandit, shot
1670559;1497468748;mircea_popescu;but in fairness, i still've not recovered from the whole kindergarten game ustards apparently play at airports, where the genossen lehrerin yells "freeze" and everyone does.
1670560;1497468761;mircea_popescu;totally such a land of opportunity, to get to play all the kindergarten games as adults.
1670561;1497468772;mircea_popescu;maybe practice saying no a little, interspersed, it's a wunderbar world.
1670562;1497468778;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine why anyoner'd ever want to fucking leave.
1670563;1497468783;asciilifeform;we already established that these folx never properly graduate from kindergarten.
1670564;1497468791;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1670565;1497468967;danielpbarron;i went to the NYC marthathon a few years ago and they had people lined up to get their bags checked on the way in -- i walked past all that right up to the guy with the magic wand, he waves it around me and lets me in. In my unsearched backpack was a half gallon stainless steel jug of water
1670566;1497468971;mircea_popescu;and re soros, gotta say i kinda like the man. if for naught else, the humiliating bank of england thing
1670567;1497468995;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: recall the story with mircea_popescu's '45
1670568;1497469002;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yes, obviously. and in the nazi germany, gestapo had to stop taking calls from people because no clerks.
1670569;1497469035;mircea_popescu;whole thing is based on the ustards, not imposed upon them
1670570;1497469095;asciilifeform;there is ratio of who-based-on / on-whom-imposed
1670571;1497469196;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
1670572;1497469231;asciilifeform;solitary 'partizan' who rebels by 'not freeze' when asked by genossen lehrerin , or takes pot shot at the mayor, or goes to oregon and whatever it was, is not a counterweight to the pantsuits -- but rather the evening's entertainment
1670573;1497469263;asciilifeform;e.g. subj of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670391 .
1670574;1497469263;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 16:14 trinque: http://archive.is/dLlaV << gunman shot up some soi disant republicans
1670575;1497469288;mircea_popescu;perhaps
1670576;1497469340;mircea_popescu;certainly there is no way to inspire the pigs on a pig farm to rebel. you can hold whatever signs / do whatever dances
1670577;1497469344;mircea_popescu;they're where they belong.
1670578;1497470924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: theoretically can get pigs to stampede, however.
1670579;1497470934;mircea_popescu;very theoretically
1670580;1497471074;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the checkpoints people now have new ritual, which eats even moar time, slower queues, 'turn on the lappy'
1670581;1497471097;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: as if it were somehow impossible to replace every ~other~ cell in the battery with dynamite
1670582;1497471125;danielpbarron;just checking that it powers on, or what would they do if it booted something that wasn't windows?
1670583;1497471128;mircea_popescu;they wouldfn't think to do that
1670584;1497471131;mircea_popescu;therefore safe!\
1670585;1497471139;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: nobody cares , afaik, what it boots into
1670586;1497471148;asciilifeform;just that 'hey , powers on, so won't explode' ( somehow )
1670587;1497471159;asciilifeform;and woe be unto whoever has dead battery...
1670588;1497471270;asciilifeform;incidentally now this spectacle is seen not only in airport, but at sport matches, theatre, whatever large public event
1670589;1497471286;mircea_popescu;socialism never stays contained
1670590;1497471292;asciilifeform;why would it, lol
1670591;1497471304;asciilifeform;'big enough', said no tumour ever
1670592;1497472219;asciilifeform;in very other lulzies, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-07#1666814 >>>> https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/sudo-CVE-2017-1000367 ( https://archive.is/Peesh , https://archive.is/ObzrA )
1670593;1497472219;a111;Logged on 2017-06-07 16:50 asciilifeform always wondered what somebody gotta have in his crankcase instead of brains, to run selinux
1670594;1497480018;shinohai;https://twitter.com/WeRateBitcoiner "We are the last bastion of centralized reputation." Why? Because we said so!
1670595;1497480233;*;asciilifeform recognized the mugs of gavin and karpeles, but who the fuck are the rest ?
1670596;1497480244;asciilifeform;szabo is in there. i had nfi he had a face
1670597;1497480255;mircea_popescu;psaw
1670598;1497480413;shinohai;Dr. Craig Wright "An honest man. 11/10"
1670599;1497480419;shinohai;yup
1670600;1497480427;shinohai;That's science right there.
1670601;1497480429;mircea_popescu;szabo ?!
1670602;1497480469;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, he can't be this fucking stupid
1670603;1497480499;asciilifeform;easily - http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1657231
1670604;1497480499;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 22:04 mircea_popescu: there is no difference in this sense between nubbins, an idle idiot, and nanotube, a respectable professor. scammers known like theymos and lukejr, supposedly honest idiots like szabo, agents known like gavin or unknown like whatever others have this much in commom -- the call was made, and they strayed.
1670605;1497480524;mircea_popescu;dude...
1670606;1497480525;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-08#1362867
1670607;1497480525;a111;Logged on 2016-01-08 12:00 asciilifeform: 'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, Gün Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about SPV Mining...'
1670608;1497480600;shinohai;Heh I'm blocked on twitter from like 98% of the people on this list lol
1670609;1497480619;mircea_popescu;heh
1670610;1497480653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and to think, none of those people were in bitcoin.
1670611;1497480675;mircea_popescu;this is like those old comintern photos.
1670612;1497480700;mircea_popescu;"pick the subdouble agent"
1670613;1497481461;mod6;heh
1670614;1497483361;shinohai;Will this be the "incident" that completes todays shooting trifecta? Stay tuned! http://archive.is/66Ghe
1670615;1497486733;asciilifeform;shinohai: false alarm, supposedly
1670616;1497486757;shinohai;meh
1670617;1497487465;asciilifeform;in other, wholly unrelated martian wtf, http://marina.dreamwidth.org/1492934.html
1670618;1497488002;shinohai;http://archive.is/O7azT How convenient!
1670619;1497488208;asciilifeform;shinohai: lol, somehow i thought this already existed
1670620;1497488286;shinohai;I was surprised it didn't myself, but guess they had to beat other "cloud storage" providers to punch.
1670621;1497488293;asciilifeform;snoar
1670622;1497489525;asciilifeform;moar martian material, https://archive.is/fE3tZ
1670623;1497490843;asciilifeform;but now for something compleeetli different!! >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp6ePKe6iI >> greatest imho , i shit thee not, cinematic masterpiece of our time...
1670624;1497490849;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ might especially appreciate.
1670625;1497490950;asciilifeform;bonus : chick was fired from job ( as lowly food seller ! ) for thoughtcrime, for having been found to have authored $subj .
1670626;1497491337;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al : think we can get her here ?
1670627;1497491348;asciilifeform;.. does , apparently , have btc donation addr
1670628;1497491359;asciilifeform;so at least somehow aware of its existence.
1670629;1497491523;shinohai;Sent her msg on twitter: https://twitter.com/realemilyyoucis
1670630;1497491565;asciilifeform;oh hey.
1670631;1497491568;asciilifeform;neato shinohai .
1670632;1497491579;*;asciilifeform may be the last one alive to be entirely innocent of twatter
1670633;1497491595;asciilifeform;never banished there, never had acct, not 1ce.
1670634;1497491595;shinohai;I'm surprised I'm not banned yet.
1670635;1497493588;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can send a "message" via dorky webap
1670636;1497493590;mircea_popescu;might read it
1670637;1497494029;mircea_popescu;i can't recall if i got banned or bored of twitter.
1670638;1497494880;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You got both at different times
1670639;1497494891;mircea_popescu;ah ok then lol
1670640;1497499420;trinque;I've disappeared down a hole of "right wing" meme'd up twatter
1670641;1497499422;trinque;what is this
1670642;1497499755;trinque;this animator chick looks like skanks I used to drink with in portland
1670643;1497499769;trinque;I approve of this movement.
1670644;1497499782;mircea_popescu;so buy her a drink
1670645;1497499800;trinque;no skank is worth pennsylvania
1670646;1497499814;mircea_popescu;no skank is bolted down, either.
1670647;1497501348;BingoBoingo; no skank is bolted down, either. << of all things, this having not been done by mp irl surprises me. It's not like bolts are permanent. Not like welding them down
1670648;1497501414;*;asciilifeform wishes only to achieve even small piece of what $subj achieved before dead
1670649;1497501451;mircea_popescu;meh, makes a mess
1670650;1497501529;BingoBoingo;It's not like you gotta bolt the meat. Cuff the meat, bolt the cuffs.
1670651;1497501550;mircea_popescu;well, that i've done plenty eh.
1670652;1497501564;mircea_popescu;definitionally what a dungeon is neh
1670653;1497501579;BingoBoingo;AHA, hence my surprise
1670654;1497520456;shinohai;http://archive.is/9LKrS <<< Shinohai's shitty trading pair of the week (tm) (r)
1670655;1497527339;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/93833359D32C83AD04A84E858016B8D61BDA78B82A223E731C40C7F2C94A5627 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1465459459517330657028932233425 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Martin Weinelt ; Martin Weinelt ; Martin Weinelt ; Martin Weinelt (BP DART-Racing WS2010/11) ; '
1670656;1497530175;asciilifeform;!~ticker
1670657;1497530176;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 2314.3, Best ask: 2316.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 2316.0, 24 hour volume: 53787.68533689, 24 hour low: 2103.1, 24 hour high: 2654.4, 24 hour vwap: None
1670658;1497530242;asciilifeform;in recent lulz, https://archive.is/yoT9a >> hilariously draconian 'money laundering' ban proposed in usg
1670659;1497530363;asciilifeform;aka, possibly, 'the cokemachine act'
1670660;1497536931;*;mircea_popescu just picked up a phone for the first time in what must be about five years.
1670661;1497536947;mircea_popescu;i tell you it's kinda weird, that moment when you don't know who the fuck is calling and what they want.
1670662;1497537498;BingoBoingo;Oh, who was their daddy and what do they do?
1670663;1497537520;mircea_popescu;random administrative thing. very happy/scared to hear me of all people
1670664;1497537536;BingoBoingo;Oh my!
1670665;1497537551;BingoBoingo;"I read the coal-burning article, and I am ashamed to tell you that Szabo, who was ultimately killed by his misinformed white guilt, is of Hungarian descent as far as his name goes" << From the comments on http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4963
1670666;1497537562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know this weird lsd shit isn't actually bad, visually ? or aurally for that matter.
1670667;1497537577;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what, "just liek soros" ?
1670668;1497537634;BingoBoingo;lol, aha. Apparently Szabo hitting people's bozo meter is beginning to be found in the wild
1670669;1497537646;mircea_popescu;wtf is this "white guilt" bs, also.
1670670;1497537686;mircea_popescu;it's like fat people coming up with "walk guilt" to explain why they ain't getting out of bed. notwithstanding "they're perfectly healthy, can even stand!!11"
1670671;1497537718;mircea_popescu;"o dude i just think of all the celenterates, oysters and snails and things and it's just too overwhelming. damned negros DON'T EVEN HAVE LEGS!"
1670672;1497537753;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the boston thurf, an oyster was eating a woman right out of her plate.
1670673;1497537757;BingoBoingo;OH, apparently different szabo "Take the late Brian Szabo for example. Brian Szabo, originally from Ohio, and formerly residing in Richmond, Virginia, was an executive with SunTrust bank. Considering the subject of this article, youll find it ironic that his title with SunTrust was Vice President for Corporate Operational Risk."
1670674;1497537793;BingoBoingo;From http://therightstuff.biz/2016/07/27/tales-of-the-coal-burning/
1670675;1497537844;BingoBoingo;"In addition, who invites a guy who had no job or family ties and whose only source of income was a mental disability stipend into your home? Nigel Walker, a gud boi who dindu nuffin, was essentially an adopted pet of the Szabo family and, in turn, he brutally stabbed the late Brian Szabo in the neck. Police found Szabo in a pool of his own blood in his posh West End neighborhood home. "
1670676;1497537875;mircea_popescu;dude what is with this djb-ing sexually ambiguous 20something street urchins
1670677;1497537891;mircea_popescu;are these people LOOKING for a way to fuck up ?
1670678;1497537964;mircea_popescu;this is what they do instead of coming here. fucktards.
1670679;1497537991;mircea_popescu;!!rate szabo -10 "you'll die as you lived, in a flash of the blade, a fucktard remembered by no-one..."
1670680;1497537991;deedbot;szabo is not registered in WoT.
1670681;1497537996;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1670682;1497538007;BingoBoingo;Well, wha can the daiper do in the trash can except complain the candy wrapper next to it is sticky
1670683;1497538243;mircea_popescu;"can't have slavegirls like proper white males, on their knees naked, that'd be too... you know, like right, and proper. no, no, must invite random twink to rule the posh bullshit etcetera"
1670684;1497538318;mircea_popescu;mp's questionnaire is growing. "are you living in a retired low level us-politruk / inteligentsia zone ?" "do you live with some punk pet you picked off the street ?"
1670685;1497538332;mircea_popescu;remarkably how well it covers the "republic's allies" that aren't either of the republic or its allies.
1670686;1497538378;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if all these idiots saw a clockwork orange, and decided "yes, that is what i wish to do with my life! i wanna be THAT loser!"
1670687;1497538497;trinque;bahaha, entirely the formula for the 4chan nazi thing. "this was the most transgressive thing I could find. no es un pais pobre!"
1670688;1497538565;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1670689;1497538603;trinque;that chick that made the psychedelic dog video claims to be a nazi.
1670690;1497538614;trinque;presumably of the 4chan.org/pol variety
1670691;1497538620;mircea_popescu;oh.
1670692;1497538636;mircea_popescu;3rd wave nazis and 6th wave feminists duke it out in the dream machine!
1670693;1497538762;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670676 << marieantoinetting
1670694;1497538762;a111;Logged on 2017-06-15 14:44 mircea_popescu: dude what is with this djb-ing sexually ambiguous 20something street urchins
1670695;1497538799;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1670696;1497538820;asciilifeform;miniaturized version of, whoever, billgates's 'i'm not a marauding piece of shit, i'm a PHILANTHROPIST!111'
1670697;1497538831;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, nobody buys it.
1670698;1497538841;mircea_popescu;just a perverse old man with weird hangups.
1670699;1497538842;asciilifeform;it isn't connected to a feedbacktron
1670700;1497538849;asciilifeform;dun matter whether anyone buys.
1670701;1497538864;mircea_popescu;i thought it was entirely for "look in the mirror" narcisiac purposes.
1670702;1497538881;asciilifeform;orlol had an old piece re 'philanthropy' being part of decomposition/putrefaction process
1670703;1497538894;asciilifeform;where the wealth a koschei sucks up during life, begins to splurt out
1670704;1497538901;mircea_popescu;obviously is. there is ONE WAY to do resource allocation, and if it's not used what you got is socialist rot.
1670705;1497538974;asciilifeform;sooo, hypothesis here could be, that you dun need to be rockefeller to undergo this form of putrefaction: under the right conditions, 'middle class' derps also could.
1670706;1497539010;mircea_popescu;seems that their answer to "my god, we built fucking korea, our kids would rather hang themselves than come back home and therer's absolutely nothing to buy" is to take in a retard for a cat.
1670707;1497539027;asciilifeform;same reason they did the 'free the slaves' thing
1670708;1497539037;asciilifeform;'captive audience of guaranteed gratefuls' notion.
1670709;1497539046;mircea_popescu;oh that's what it is.
1670710;1497539054;mircea_popescu;well no fucking wonder they're stabbing them in the fucking eyes, jhesus
1670711;1497539069;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder they don't also urinate on the writhing cadaver.
1670712;1497539071;asciilifeform;same reason why the old slaves are lafonding them in the eye
1670713;1497539079;asciilifeform;to this day
1670714;1497539088;mircea_popescu;world makes perfect sense to me now.
1670715;1497539116;mircea_popescu;"oh, if i do this, people will have to like me!" wtf nonsense.
1670716;1497539116;asciilifeform;iirc most of this was on trilema already.
1670717;1497539126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess it was.
1670718;1497539154;mircea_popescu;reason people write things is so others read the things back to them, huh.
1670719;1497539162;asciilifeform;possibly.
1670720;1497539182;trinque;pretty common american 80s movie trope, right? "ends up liked! the end."
1670721;1497539206;mircea_popescu;it's even in seinfeld. "i'd have all this money and people would love me" george costanza daydreaming of philantrophy.
1670722;1497539216;mircea_popescu;philatrophy*
1670723;1497539243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally reading the djb thing left asciilifeform with impression that $derp could also have been part of a 'cuck' scenario
1670724;1497539264;mircea_popescu;from experience, that sort of thing is decided by the woman declaring, not by looks.
1670725;1497539277;asciilifeform;( djb lives with one of his coauthors -- unofficial wife of sorts )
1670726;1497539368;mircea_popescu;trinque i guess it is at that.
1670727;1497539375;asciilifeform;entirely possible that the man lives 'under the heel', like, e.g., saharov
1670728;1497539391;mircea_popescu;sure it's possible, but i'm telling you, "how it looks" is a terrible heuristic.
1670729;1497539410;asciilifeform;hey all i got here is this'ere light from 50 lightyears off..
1670730;1497539435;mircea_popescu;yes well, if girl attempts to make carrot cake with "All i got here are these potatoes" she gets in trouble.
1670731;1497539794;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, who wants to wire 2.5k for me ?
1670732;1497541065;mircea_popescu;!!up daffadil
1670733;1497541066;deedbot;daffadil voiced for 30 minutes.
1670734;1497541379;shinohai;Welcome daffadil
1670735;1497541386;daffadil;Thank you shinohai
1670736;1497541389;daffadil;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xqRoG/?raw=true
1670737;1497541392;deedbot;B4338076C48E09C37C900F28D73BBEDFECE35DD4 registered as daffadil.
1670738;1497541401;mircea_popescu;o hey. who might you be ?
1670739;1497541451;daffadil;I was recommended here by Gabe Laddel
1670740;1497541457;daffadil;Currently learning the ropes and reading
1670741;1497541461;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1670742;1497541474;daffadil;I am a biology/artist/human
1670743;1497541492;mircea_popescu;well, say if you have questions.
1670744;1497541503;mircea_popescu;!!rate daffadil 1 biology/artist/human
1670745;1497541505;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EcjkV/?raw=true
1670746;1497541509;daffadil;Will do ~
1670747;1497541541;mircea_popescu;!!v DC975E8D241C6A5C3FBFC9B19269498161CC014D43585A24FE8D45CA390AF874
1670748;1497541541;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated daffadil 1 << biology/artist/human
1670749;1497541561;shinohai;Any examples of thy art daffadil ?
1670750;1497541580;daffadil;Sure...... https://www.flickr.com/photos/daniel_friedman/
1670751;1497541727;shinohai;Fractal surrealism
1670752;1497541877;daffadil;Hehe, something like that ~~
1670753;1497542271;daffadil;don't understand the "Get your OTP" message from deedbot, whose key encrypted it?
1670754;1497542285;mircea_popescu;you encrypt to a key. in this case yours.
1670755;1497542297;shinohai;See also http://deedbot.org/
1670756;1497542374;daffadil;Ok thanks.
1670757;1497542637;mircea_popescu;daffadil oh i misunderstood what you were asking. i gave deedbot an order, and to verify my identity it encrypted something to my key. that string in !!v
1670758;1497542784;daffadil;+mircea_popescu so I don't need to do anything with that deedbot OTP message?
1670759;1497542792;mircea_popescu;no. it was for me.
1670760;1497542816;daffadil;Ok.....many interesting features and I am enjoying being enfolded within them......
1670761;1497542835;mircea_popescu;takes a while to get to the bottom of it
1670762;1497542907;mircea_popescu;daffadil say !!up to it in a private message
1670763;1497543564;phf;mircea_popescu: do romanians eat buckwheat?
1670764;1497543672;phf;i cook it at the office from time to time, and every time i get "wtf" reactions, and not just from the infidels, but from eastern europeans too. slovenian (slovak?) girl at the office was very confused by it, what is it? how do you eat it? why do you eat it?
1670765;1497543689;asciilifeform;phf: i had to teach pet to make it
1670766;1497543714;asciilifeform;afaik nobody in usa eats any such thing as манная каша
1670767;1497543739;phf;"baby you want me to cook you some GRECHKA!!1"
1670768;1497543745;asciilifeform;lel
1670769;1497543802;asciilifeform;iirc jurov is a slovak . hey jurov , do you folx eat buckwheat ?
1670770;1497543895;*;shinohai loves buckwheat pancakes
1670771;1497543978;mircea_popescu;phf old style romanians do, yeah.
1670772;1497544018;mircea_popescu;afaik casha was a very ... jewish retirement home thing in the us, limited to east coast.
1670773;1497544024;phf;i think ashkenazim might've brought it to u.s. as "kasha", i.e. explicitly buckwheat porridge, rather than porridge in general
1670774;1497544029;phf;ha
1670775;1497544031;mircea_popescu;right.
1670776;1497544042;mircea_popescu;i also didn't know non-ukr russkis eat it :D
1670777;1497544046;mircea_popescu;do you salo also ?
1670778;1497544068;asciilifeform;pretty sure you need direct access to the pig to get salo in usa
1670779;1497544150;mircea_popescu;hey, in ro too, if you won't eat crap.
1670780;1497544155;mircea_popescu;!!up daffadil
1670781;1497544156;deedbot;daffadil voiced for 30 minutes.
1670782;1497544360;phf;yeah, my mother's line is a mongrel lemki, ashkenazi and polish, so i grew up on a yushka, salo, holubtsi, but also like chopped liver, goulash, knish, etc.
1670783;1497544385;mircea_popescu;i love slanina. properly smoked and with proper ro 52proof shine... o ya
1670784;1497544419;mircea_popescu;impossible to get outside of traditional transylvanian farm tho, in my exp
1670785;1497545790;phf;there's a faux butcher shop in georgetown that sells various eastern european meets at premium, but i doubt the quality. their salo is questionable. my mom is working on a project in ukrain at the moment, so she's been sending photos of vodka carafe & large slabs of salo
1670786;1497545915;phf;http://www.stachowskimarket.com
1670787;1497546142;mircea_popescu;o, photos help ;/
1670788;1497549033;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669950 >>> apparently it's back..
1670789;1497549033;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 04:19 BingoBoingo: Well it shouldn't have been so fat. Nao it's got butterbrain.
1670790;1497549050;asciilifeform;( e.g. https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ finds 8 nodes )
1670791;1497549099;asciilifeform;!!up eplogos
1670792;1497549099;deedbot;eplogos voiced for 30 minutes.
1670793;1497549779;asciilifeform;aaand nao for something compleeetly different , in archaeology of dead cultures : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teDn-GTeDVs
1670794;1497551080;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670306 << amusingly, this is great for pharma-coin though; 1) sell the "ourdemocracy you-are-worth-it-and-can-do-anything" message, 2) create populace of people that end up 'depressed' and feeling 'unfulfilled' because they are fulfilling their natural role as non-human, but told otherwise, 3) extract $>sustenance in form of 'anti-depression' drugz
1670795;1497551080;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 15:27 mircea_popescu: and the whole story of "oh, 1800 style squalor and poverty and five points erradicated!!! great ourdemocracy progress!!!" is really just very caked on masking upon the base fact that "we redirected all resources away from fun, so that now there's nothing to do but wait to die a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670156
1670796;1497551088;*;lobbes starting to grok how bone-fide slavery is actually the 'more humane' model
1670797;1497551098;mircea_popescu;lobbes o ya.
1670798;1497551145;asciilifeform;lobbes: dr. mengele was a saint and humanitarian compared to the folx presently in the saddle, aha
1670799;1497551157;mircea_popescu;lobbes the whole thing revolves around the valuation of lying. for the people that judge lying as a primum malum, proper slavery is the more humane model. for the people who judge lying as the primum bonum, the us/su nonsense is the more humane model.
1670800;1497551181;mircea_popescu;in the end the question comes down to, do you feel like a man, or do you feel like a woman ? just don't lie to me or lie to me prettily ?
1670801;1497551249;lobbes;makes sense
1670802;1497551262;trinque;all the insanity around "identifying as" points directly to it. most folks *cannot* form an identity outside being told what they are. having been told incoherent nonsense, little wonder the starving creatures flail for control of the mechanism
1670803;1497551305;mircea_popescu;and this is not ideology, but biology. if you have a sexuate species, then THEREFORE you will have a female (defined as, carrying the burden to term).
1670804;1497551312;trinque;the drugs are in that sense the same as the "I am a pony", both towards a feeling
1670805;1497551330;mircea_popescu;as you've made this a biological necessity by your "sexuate" idea, it then follows that about half the population will enjoy the passive benefit of the other half being fucked over. as in, bars wouild be a lot fuller and service a lot crappier if women also crowded them.
1670806;1497551363;mircea_popescu;and therefore, the female will want to be lied to prettily. because lied to she will be, and she knows this. there's no way to window dress the cost of sexuate reproduction into anything else. though they try.
1670807;1497551366;mircea_popescu;and so...
1670808;1497551570;trinque;puts the female behaviors in context. "I'm going to be parasitized as a matter of course, better fatten up, hide, etc"
1670809;1497551575;mircea_popescu;ayup.
1670810;1497551597;mircea_popescu;things make perfect sense once one stops trying to lie about what they are.
1670811;1497551926;mircea_popescu;and it's a significant cost, at that. the A grade baby is at birth three kilograms worth about 8 calories per gram, plus a metabolic average of about 650 calories a day over its forty week womb life.
1670812;1497551932;mircea_popescu;comes to a whole lotta bison.
1670813;1497552162;mircea_popescu;add to this the grandiose benefit of you know, i sit around all day while girls work their ass off at the gym three times a week, yet my ass is still firmer and i can lift them and throw them because hey, fuck you for hoping.
1670814;1497552171;mircea_popescu;and teh picture is pretty clear.
1670815;1497552250;asciilifeform;!~calc 40 * 7 * 650 * 4184 / ( 34.2 * 10**6 )
1670816;1497552252;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 40 * 7 * 650 * 4184 / ( 34.2 * 10**6 ) = 22.265730994152047
1670817;1497552257;asciilifeform;litres of petrol
1670818;1497552266;mircea_popescu;ya but... what petrol lol
1670819;1497552288;mircea_popescu;at thye time all this is relevantly going on, a sharpened stick goes on the open market for fifty two plain sticks.
1670820;1497552289;asciilifeform;no but to put 'mega-energy-cost' in picture .
1670821;1497552296;asciilifeform;and noshit.jpg
1670822;1497552313;mircea_popescu;myeah. it is mega-cost, because hunted bison only counts about 4kcal per kg.
1670823;1497552330;mircea_popescu;more like 2.5 or so if you weigh the carcass fresh, as opposed to filleted.
1670824;1497552340;asciilifeform;aaha. but the balanced picture of 'pharma wars' etc. is 'today very different costs'
1670825;1497552353;asciilifeform;than 100k.yr. prior
1670826;1497552369;mircea_popescu;no, see, because by now it's entirely baked in the culture.
1670827;1497552387;mircea_popescu;biology doesn't care that a millisecond ago you built an oil refinery for the first time.
1670828;1497552395;asciilifeform;well yes.
1670829;1497552401;asciilifeform;it's baked into the meat.
1670830;1497552425;mircea_popescu;right. and the universe we're discussing for "change you can believe in" counts by the half million years to be generous.
1670831;1497552432;asciilifeform;hence the temptation to hotpatch the meat.
1670832;1497552460;mircea_popescu;much like the temptation to selinux.
1670833;1497552470;mircea_popescu;works about as well, too.
1670834;1497552515;asciilifeform;it's selinux when you're a cow and farmer does it ~to~ you; otherwise it's misadventure (if fails) and technology (when succeeds)
1670835;1497552540;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1670836;1497552554;asciilifeform;aka daedalus vs wrightbrothers
1670837;1497552568;mircea_popescu;i want to believe.
1670838;1497552650;asciilifeform;one man's imposition is another's wet dream :
1670839;1497552669;asciilifeform;not long ago asciilifeform hit upon a www for nonj00z who want to join israeli army !
1670840;1497552677;asciilifeform;( spoiler : it ain't easy 0
1670841;1497552679;asciilifeform;)
1670842;1497552693;mircea_popescu;lol
1670843;1497552780;phf;met some of those down south
1670844;1497552797;asciilifeform;waiwat
1670845;1497552799;asciilifeform;south of waht
1670846;1497552820;phf;mason dixon line
1670847;1497552831;asciilifeform;srsly ? who and why, now i'm curious
1670848;1497553078;phf;well, i've met a handful a American Boy types who were interested in fighting on behalf of israel and defending the christian faith (???) against muslims over the past years, but it's gotten to the point where this doesn't seem to be fringe position
1670849;1497553131;asciilifeform;or possibly, alternate hypothesis : healthy boy wants to be in an army
1670850;1497553136;asciilifeform;but american army is not so hot
1670851;1497553152;mircea_popescu;serems by far the likelier
1670852;1497553395;phf;also in the last two years, as putin became a kind of presidential role model for the midwest, i think it also became a lot more acceptable to come out in support of countries that are not america, so america and its people are seen as having lost the way, etc. it went from "red scare" to "i wish putin was our president" (a phrase i've heard more than once even before the previous election cycle)
1670853;1497553448;trinque;"israel can do no wrong" is a serious item of conversation around idiot evangelical dinner tables.
1670854;1497553507;phf;this is a highly amusing reversal from a decade ago, when left was pro-russia and right anti-
1670855;1497553547;mircea_popescu;aha lol
1670856;1497553606;trinque;well bush "got a sense of the man's soul" and now he's okay.
1670857;1497553689;asciilifeform;now if only bengurion et al hadn't rm -rf / 'd the actual israel and overwritten
1670858;1497553725;phf;actually in 2005 or so, i was reading a lot of hunter thompson and first got into the whole americana thing. i spent some time at kind of dirty biker honky tonk places. my guides, on more than one occasion, warned me not to speak at all (at first, and while i'm sober anyway), so as not to alert the locals to the fact that i'm russian. i'm pretty sure that at this point at the same bars i would automatically gain an honored guest status for being russia
1670859;1497553725;phf;n.
1670860;1497553756;*;asciilifeform intrigued
1670861;1497553902;trinque;http://archive.is/UMRP1 << as for israel, hasn't to do with anything material.
1670862;1497554002;trinque;"end times" cult is a giant chunk of north american christianity
1670863;1497554041;mircea_popescu;xtianity generally.
1670864;1497554382;asciilifeform;atheistianity also. many, many folx wet dream of thermonukefest etc
1670865;1497554413;asciilifeform;unremarkable reaction to the intolerable shitpit they live in.
1670866;1497554431;phf;asciilifeform: you don't have to travel far, there's plenty of exotic locations nearby, particularly as you get close to appalachian ridge
1670867;1497554583;asciilifeform;phf: re hunter h. thompson << i really ~wanted~ to like him. but bounced off every time tried to read any.
1670868;1497554598;asciilifeform;d00d is simply not digestible by my enzymes, or sumthing
1670869;1497554775;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670853 << curious, how many of those folx have been there even as tourist
1670870;1497554775;a111;Logged on 2017-06-15 19:04 trinque: "israel can do no wrong" is a serious item of conversation around idiot evangelical dinner tables.
1670871;1497554822;trinque;ah less than 1 ppm
1670872;1497554825;*;asciilifeform has not been . and for some reason inescapably pictures it as landscape from planet arrakis from herbert's 'dune'
1670873;1497554825;trinque;doesn't matter!
1670874;1497554832;asciilifeform;complete with fremen
1670875;1497554862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is true.
1670876;1497554875;asciilifeform;the hilarious bit is that asciilifeform & co's original exit visas from su read 'israel'
1670877;1497554978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which this ?
1670878;1497554997;mircea_popescu;that "e3nd of times" is a major portion of religiodiocy since forever.
1670879;1497555006;asciilifeform;aah yes
1670880;1497555172;trinque;nothing gets the mothers fretting quite like "the bad thing will happen to all of it"
1670881;1497555188;mircea_popescu;"you'll be sorry!"
1670882;1497555195;mircea_popescu;wtf is the loser supposed to say.
1670883;1497555202;asciilifeform;quite opposite -- apocalypses are ~appealing~
1670884;1497555227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im pretty sure originally it was just that, "You'll be sorry" "oh yeah ? whyt ?" "THE BAD THING!!1"
1670885;1497555240;mircea_popescu;everything becomes appealing eventually, through human perversity.
1670886;1497555268;mircea_popescu;"o ya ? i there's nothing i can do about it then tell you what, ILL LIKE IT! SO THERE!"
1670887;1497555293;asciilifeform;war, especially , is appealing, modern boys hunger for it the way iron-deficient gurlz hunger for red meat
1670888;1497555309;trinque;that's not an apocalypse.
1670889;1497555356;asciilifeform;trinque: do you recall mircea_popescu's article re 'hungry man feels as if he could eat elephant, thirsty -- drink a river; unfucked -- fuck a batallion of chix' etc ?
1670890;1497555422;trinque;no, but the term as used here means "the ultimate foil"
1670891;1497555434;asciilifeform;trinque: expand?
1670892;1497555435;trinque;no matter what you do, thwarted. even your war
1670893;1497555446;trinque;better sit on hands and behave!
1670894;1497555462;mircea_popescu;"rocks fall, everyone dies"
1670895;1497555472;asciilifeform;that'd be the 'female' pov re apocalypse. the 'male' : 'success, because THEY, enemy, will die'
1670896;1497555501;trinque;not taking my meaning. it means hanging out there in front of you in the future, is everything you may ever conceive of doing, already thwarted
1670897;1497555505;trinque;and it's your fault, fucker
1670898;1497555526;asciilifeform;how's it 'thwarted' if 'they-die' is exactly the thing you wanted ?
1670899;1497555543;*;mircea_popescu gets popcorn.
1670900;1497555582;*;asciilifeform actually has this ~exact conversation with $pet regularly :
1670901;1497555588;trinque;we were discussing what some particular end times cult's symbol "means"
1670902;1497555607;trinque;I am not prepared to redefine "
1670903;1497555611;asciilifeform;trinque: varies, neh
1670904;1497555614;trinque;apocalypse" according to asciilifeform's metaphysics
1670905;1497555720;trinque;maybe the god of web development rises and declares that none shall die until theorems can be written and proved by mashing tab
1670906;1497555742;trinque;"my whole system of meaning and context of agency is extinguished"
1670907;1497555744;asciilifeform;but soon after this, cthulhu wakes from his dream
1670908;1497555749;trinque;blorp
1670909;1497555750;asciilifeform;and gameover!11
1670910;1497555792;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idea is that the "end of worlds" moment as found from odin to osiris is NOT a practical item, but symbolic. "everything you have burns down and nothing makes sense anymore"
1670911;1497555800;asciilifeform;probably my favourite apocalypse is ye olde nordic one, incidentally
1670912;1497555828;mircea_popescu;actually, that piece i wrote is probably fine example
1670913;1497555831;asciilifeform;where 'world will get rm -rf / and fuck all anyone could or should try an' do about it, smile that we carved a bit of sunlight out of the ice for a little while.'
1670914;1497555851;mircea_popescu;that's the idea throughout.
1670915;1497555870;mircea_popescu;it's a very... ango-ustardian notion that "judgement" shall mean someone actually passes.
1670916;1497555883;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ < apocalypse.
1670917;1497555922;asciilifeform;i'll admit i never liked the original of ^
1670918;1497555929;mircea_popescu;too gay.
1670919;1497555929;asciilifeform;strong flavour of 'emo'
1670920;1497555931;asciilifeform;aha!!
1670921;1497556350;asciilifeform;trinque: my philosophical difficulty was with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670893 -- the emotional load of apocalypses is not automagically baked into the concept
1670922;1497556350;a111;Logged on 2017-06-15 19:37 trinque: better sit on hands and behave!
1670923;1497556384;asciilifeform;reaction to 'yggdrasil is rotting, serpent is gnawing, axe-time, sword-time draws near' is not automatically one thing for every reader.
1670924;1497556412;trinque;yes yes, I long for death.
1670925;1497556438;trinque;the things are universal, likely a cause and not "each snowflake had a different notion about apocalypse"
1670926;1497556479;asciilifeform;i suspect there's a handful of basic variations.
1670927;1497556501;asciilifeform;clustering around 'male' and 'female' pov as described earlier.
1670928;1497556561;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670769 if i translated buckwheat right, it's available in slovakia but not widely used, i don't remember last time i ate it
1670929;1497556561;a111;Logged on 2017-06-15 16:23 asciilifeform: iirc jurov is a slovak . hey jurov , do you folx eat buckwheat ?
1670930;1497556573;asciilifeform;'joke's on you, schmucks who sank cycles into offspring and their idiot mothers' is one variation, for example.
1670931;1497556593;asciilifeform;jurov: so like usa.
1670932;1497556611;asciilifeform;jurov: it's sold at corner shop but to this day i have nfi what it is used for here !
1670933;1497557647;mircea_popescu;pet rodent feed ?
1670934;1497557813;asciilifeform;hell knows
1670935;1497557843;asciilifeform;there could be something to that -- i once had mice get into the container.
1670936;1497557865;asciilifeform;prolly it's 100 octane mouse fuel.
1670937;1497558012;mircea_popescu;just about. they love the stuff.
1670938;1497558036;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'At least 10 injured after suburban plows into pedestrians in NYC'
1670939;1497558094;mircea_popescu;!!up fffeee
1670940;1497558094;deedbot;fffeee voiced for 30 minutes.
1670941;1497558458;asciilifeform;meanwhile in the world of entomology, https://archive.is/n3Zs1
1670942;1497558546;asciilifeform;'EF changed the properties of the security it sold and still falsely advertises "unstoppable .. exactly as written" code (despite proving it false) while profiting from all of it.'
1670943;1497558556;asciilifeform;^ somehow hasn't stopped any of the excitable monkeys
1670944;1497558557;mircea_popescu;heh
1670945;1497562628;BingoBoingo; d00d is simply not digestible by my enzymes, or sumthing << It's the drugz
1670946;1497562674;BingoBoingo;Same reason gabriel chaffes, just chaffing different spot on skin
1670947;1497562680;BingoBoingo;Well, brainskin
1670948;1497564812;BingoBoingo; it's a very... ango-ustardian notion that "judgement" shall mean someone actually passes. << BUT THEY MADE IT TO THE END!!!
1670949;1497565580;mircea_popescu;heh
1670950;1497565847;BingoBoingo;Anyways, old people use buckwheat in USia as a magic totem of "pls let me shit just one more time"
1670951;1497566589;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, it's supposed to rain here 4cm today and 4 more cm tonight.
1670952;1497566600;mircea_popescu;with any luck i'll be realising alf's dream of a floating house.
1670953;1497566797;BingoBoingo;That's not really so much rain
1670954;1497566877;BingoBoingo;It's those 15 cm afternoons you have to worry about.
1670955;1497567566;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/fake-news-tries-to-bury-their-culpability-for-inciting-violence-by-alleging-fake-criminal-investigation/ << Qntra - Fake News Tries To Bury Their Culpability For Inciting Violence By Alleging Fake Criminal Investigation
1670956;1497567635;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo could use a comma pre they
1670957;1497575473;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/15/the-lord-hath-no-fury-like-a-keyboard-monkey-scorned-a-beschaulich-vpatch-saga/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The lord hath no fury like a keyboard monkey scorned, a Beschaulich vpatch saga.
1670958;1497577318;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty fxd
1670959;1497578385;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FBE06D1ED656D192AB60C61CA54398135B979767D082579B4BE54C6C42C76B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1759...6257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.90.78.142 (ssh-rsa key from 210.90.78.142 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown KR)
1670960;1497578385;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FBE06D1ED656D192AB60C61CA54398135B979767D082579B4BE54C6C42C76B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1402...2229 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.90.78.142 (ssh-rsa key from 210.90.78.142 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown KR)
1670961;1497582693;mod6;evenin'
1670962;1497582701;asciilifeform;heya mod6
1670963;1497582710;mod6;how goes alf?
1670964;1497582739;asciilifeform;the usual slow grind.
1670965;1497582774;asciilifeform;and you, mod6 ?
1670966;1497582780;mod6;similar. :]
1670967;1497585387;BingoBoingo;?Los judios son gringos?
1670968;1497585752;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/278F0BC1BD35C91EB35CB1FB486225C908799FE6A2265B95E232D5C2542A247D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.4.159 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.4.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1670969;1497585752;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBBB1104DCE81D9FED18429F378EF9FB623BD973F9B1D6A18A6023A70078F40E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1670970;1497585752;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32652A860DF501D08376A8FF97AF452915B8916DD7D6F5F97D33250D3E7F72F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.0.223 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.0.223 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1670971;1497585752;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9A34020BD86CCFD722610615BCEA3BC872B7161FCFEB84222CAAD4208C7869B5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1670972;1497585752;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/89B9986669FC0DDDC234C7D8D296527FC8336AD24BDCEABF0945DCA3E0F4425F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.129 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1670973;1497585752;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/278F0BC1BD35C91EB35CB1FB486225C908799FE6A2265B95E232D5C2542A247D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9976...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.4.159 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.4.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1670974;1497586178;asciilifeform;meanwhile, very vintage lulgem from a vintage trilema, https://archive.is/0diw9
1670975;1497586378;BingoBoingo;lol http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Ugly-all-the-same-Copie.jpg
1670976;1497586689;trinque;why did someone save four pictures of that ugly woman
1670977;1497586722;trinque;oh god, I'm tired, made same joke as the filename
1670978;1497586726;*;trinque departs!
1670979;1497588060;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1670980;1497588066;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2420.0, vol: 36351.35251520 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2463.671, vol: 15402.25459 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2381.1, vol: 54429.47696304 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2659.08153, vol: 18130.42470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2416.198, vol: 15598.9621391 | Volume-weighted last average: 2440.23170351
1670981;1497603289;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/fe7e515d179e36fa7ebad672c0393e3a/tumblr_oo1ndvcoaH1shlzkjo1_1280.jpg << these are really cool btw.
1670982;1497603768;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/jduuuu/ << Trilema - Jduuuu!
1670983;1497619861;mod6;mornin'
1670984;1497620254;mircea_popescu;heya
1670985;1497620900;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this intersectional thing is so tense! i can barely follow.
1670986;1497621008;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile at the "wut?" ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f06580c8ffcffc0ed52ca83472f54250/tumblr_ok9r77tKmb1vx7twgo1_500.gif
1670987;1497621057;mod6;nice
1670988;1497621919;*;BingoBoingo wonders how mircea_popescu's local puta con leche is
1670989;1497621926;mircea_popescu;lol
1670990;1497621933;mircea_popescu;you mean puta lechera ?
1670991;1497621983;BingoBoingo;Nah, I mean with milk
1670992;1497621997;mircea_popescu;yes but with milk as in her own or not
1670993;1497622114;mircea_popescu;lechera here doesn't mean anything like lecherous. vaca lechera = cow which you can milk.
1670994;1497622231;BingoBoingo;Well that's too be determined by the response for the request
1670995;1497622274;BingoBoingo;Does the leche arrive in the puta, in a pitcher, in cow on leash?
1670996;1497622289;mircea_popescu;!!up giucciardini
1670997;1497622289;deedbot;giucciardini voiced for 30 minutes.
1670998;1497622400;mircea_popescu;why are they so broken anyway.
1670999;1497622421;BingoBoingo;No idea.
1671000;1497622451;mircea_popescu;it's like "omyGOD, the adults might have noticed me!!! QUICK PANIC PUSH THE ANY BUTTON11eleven"
1671001;1497622473;BingoBoingo;So today's lul is "special counsel" of many leaks Mueller is once again broadening the scope of investigation to find more leaks
1671002;1497622478;BingoBoingo;to leak
1671003;1497622498;mircea_popescu;even the leaks leak on this great sheep of state.
1671004;1497622529;mircea_popescu;maybe we should sell a bitcent, present the us congress with a two ton truck full of leeks.
1671005;1497622555;mircea_popescu;"in loving consideration of your continued leadersheep, dumbasses."
1671006;1497622556;BingoBoingo;Truck driver would likely be arrested. Onion futures are mega-crime in USia
1671007;1497622573;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hire one of those new googlebots.
1671008;1497622624;BingoBoingo;But that'll spoil some raytheon contract when it makes it past their drone detectors
1671009;1497622642;mircea_popescu;elementarily can't have drone detectors in us congress
1671010;1497622646;mircea_popescu;how'd the representatives get in ?
1671011;1497622680;BingoBoingo;That's the one secret raytheon contractors don't want you to know!
1671012;1497624454;asciilifeform;!~later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/15/the-lord-hath-no-fury-like-a-keyboard-monkey-scorned-a-beschaulich-vpatch-saga/#comment-57393 << i confess that i was unable to make sense of this
1671013;1497624454;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1671014;1497625775;Framedragger;PSA, the `!$ssh` command may go offline for a while "soon", moving the db server which is used for this to a better, more tremendous place
1671015;1497625795;Framedragger;(scriba unaffected)
1671016;1497625831;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669119 << yes can do, if no other opinions, then will do - i like the way btcbase does it now!
1671017;1497625831;a111;Logged on 2017-06-12 16:15 asciilifeform: !~later tell Framedragger l0gz feature request -- turn the href in links to *.bitcoin-assets.com into btcbase ( printed text of link can remain same, in principle )
1671018;1497625885;Framedragger;(in truth, whole loggotron is in need of drainage, just fyi that i don't forget previous requests.. but yes, slow)
1671019;1497625900;*;Framedragger mostly afk due to country move and related
1671020;1497626001;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/failed-state-to-be-removed-from-trade-partnership/ << Qntra - Failed State To Be Removed From Trade Partnership
1671021;1497626007;Framedragger;(oh and siphnos.mkj.lt where scan data and phuctor mirror are hosted will also be offline for a bit "some time soonish maybe")
1671022;1497626107;BingoBoingo;Found in the wild: "I know this is the most controversial part of my story. A few people I told this one before would instantly jump to her defense: if she felt she was harassed then she was, end of story. Who knows. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting that mentioning the guy's race instantly changed those people's minds (Pat's white, the guy who got fired was the only african american on our team)." << Victim Olympics
1671023;1497626176;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667749 << sorry asciilifeform, i missed this "tell" and only saw now! hmm, key *parser* - as in, pgp parser? i don't believe you've posted that before, or i haven't seen it. at any rate you probably meant sth else that the phuctor fingerprint generator i assume?
1671024;1497626176;a111;Logged on 2017-06-09 17:43 asciilifeform: !~later tell Framedragger do you perchance remember where in the logs i posted phuctor's key parser ?
1671025;1497626181;Framedragger;(the latter is http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/phuctor-fp.py)
1671026;1497626210;Framedragger;s/else that the/else than the/
1671027;1497626322;Framedragger;asciilifeform: unless #2 you meant jurov's pgp packet parser but probably not? (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/pgp.py)
1671028;1497626444;mircea_popescu;o look who's here!
1671029;1497626447;mircea_popescu;when did you get out ?
1671030;1497626515;Framedragger;still in the cryptobannedmmkay.uk island :) off around ~5-7 july, travel for a bit (but not much), just finished handover at $ukjob, quite happy
1671031;1497626538;Framedragger;brexit negotiations about to start, such timing huehue
1671032;1497626611;Framedragger;will be relatively (entomologically?) interesting to watch from some distance away (i mean, europe is all the very same swamp, sure...)
1671033;1497626646;mircea_popescu;depends, hungary's not so terribru.
1671034;1497626664;mircea_popescu;except for the terrible food, horrible language etc. but primo whores.
1671035;1497626688;mod6;i'll have to check it out
1671036;1497626780;Framedragger;i can believe re. whores! visited briefly. weird language, one of its kind in that branch or something like that, right?
1671037;1497626799;Framedragger;(also iirc .hu gobmint wanted to shut down CEU (this uni in budapest) because it had some unhappy words to say about gobmint or somesuch, but then again maybe CEU is ~liberalshit anyway, so fair)
1671038;1497626804;mircea_popescu;with finish
1671039;1497626818;mircea_popescu;i'd shut down ceu too.
1671040;1497626825;mircea_popescu;anywya, yes, they went rhodesia a decade-ish ago
1671041;1497626906;Framedragger;ah
1671042;1497627276;Framedragger;asciilifeform: unless #3 you meant ssh key to rfc4880 pgp converter (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/ssh-to-pgp.py), but again, prolly not. don't remember seeing any phuctor innards tbh (except for fingerprint algo), but could just be me
1671043;1497627366;diana_coman;Framedragger, where are you moving to?
1671044;1497627403;Framedragger;.lt for the summer at least. no master plan, and right now don't feel like having one (first time i feel like that in life)
1671045;1497627464;*;Framedragger haz some meatwot and friends in berlin (will pay a visit in july), considering that, too, but not in a hurry
1671046;1497627476;diana_coman;ah, looking around Europe as it were
1671047;1497627480;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-16#1671025 << that's exactly it Framedragger
1671048;1497627480;a111;Logged on 2017-06-16 15:16 Framedragger: (the latter is http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/phuctor-fp.py)
1671049;1497627496;asciilifeform;it's the only snippet that was posted, or in any near future will be.
1671050;1497627500;Framedragger;ah, cool!
1671051;1497627518;Framedragger;diana_coman: yeah, not too geographically ambitious for the time being, i'faith, hm
1671052;1497627542;asciilifeform;Framedragger: as for 'why', see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1668420 .
1671053;1497627542;a111;Logged on 2017-06-10 13:19 mircea_popescu: well, in the particular case of phuctor, he has a solid point.
1671054;1497627569;*;Framedragger will read. need to catch up on logz, too
1671055;1497628767;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it is a cruelty
1671056;1497629389;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/amazon-to-pay-13-7-billion-us-dollars-for-brick-and-mortar-footprint/ << Qntra - Amazon To Pay 13.7 Billion US Dollars For Brick And Mortar Footprint
1671057;1497629419;asciilifeform;lol!
1671058;1497629514;BingoBoingo;The amazon capturing whole foods is most aggressive pantsuit move of the year so far
1671059;1497629561;mod6;let them eat kale!
1671060;1497629697;trinque;clearly putting mkultra mind control substances in the quinoa
1671061;1497629700;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2017/06/amazon-to-pay-13-7-billion-us-dollars-for-brick-and-mortar-footprint/#comment-102244
1671062;1497629719;asciilifeform;relatedly , i went to one the other day, and saw -- i shit thee not -- ubuntufoundation-branded coffee.
1671063;1497629757;trinque;hey, they've got ethiopian coffee
1671064;1497629796;trinque;gotta wonder if the purchaser knew what an ubuntu was.
1671065;1497629801;asciilifeform;trinque: corner shop also has ethiopian coffee.
1671066;1497629815;asciilifeform;this was actual ubuntunonsense-brand, for 5x the usual price of beans
1671067;1497629824;asciilifeform;'supports education in africa' or somesuch gargle
1671068;1497629843;trinque;https://www.ubuntucoffeecoop.com/ << looks like a different beast
1671069;1497629868;asciilifeform;trinque: not the same logo
1671070;1497629874;asciilifeform;i'ma take a photo next time i see it
1671071;1497629878;asciilifeform;it read 'ubuntu foundation'
1671072;1497629891;*;trinque would love to see
1671073;1497630085;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2017/06/amazon-to-pay-13-7-billion-us-dollars-for-brick-and-mortar-footprint/#comment-102246 and http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8024
1671074;1497630169;BingoBoingo;Also http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/13/dc-whole-foods-fights-rodents-and-landlord/
1671075;1497630198;trinque;https://ycharts.com/companies/WFM/profit_margin << certainly not shockingly high
1671076;1497630212;trinque;https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/profit_margin
1671077;1497630223;BingoBoingo;"For Whole Foods, the remedy includes gutting the grocery store and rebuilding it anew, based on consultations with multiple contractors"
1671078;1497630238;asciilifeform;trinque: 'you aren't cleared for the TRU bookz, comrade gorbachev'
1671079;1497630279;trinque;lol
1671080;1497630340;lobbes;BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/06/failed-state-to-be-removed-from-trade-partnership/ << "the Powerball Jackpot game" link goes to about:blank?
1671081;1497630351;trinque;speaking of commies, I'm finding I quite enjoy sviatoslav richter
1671082;1497630426;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty fxd
1671083;1497630500;lobbes;Aha! Elliot reference. Just as a I expected :D
1671084;1497630540;BingoBoingo;lol
1671085;1497630648;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2017/06/amazon-to-pay-13-7-billion-us-dollars-for-brick-and-mortar-footprint/#comment-102248 asciilifeform
1671086;1497630703;*;trinque suddenly realizes that some pig is coughing in the background of this guy playing chopin, for minutes on end
1671087;1497630741;trinque;I guess when it's somebody important, counts as percussion
1671088;1497630743;BingoBoingo;^ VErmin
1671089;1497630807;asciilifeform;trinque: ever been to a performance of anything where nobody sneezed ? sorta why theatres don't double as recording studios , and the latter exist as separate thing
1671090;1497630834;trinque;after 5th cough pls to get the fuck out.
1671091;1497631393;trinque;and asciilifeform is right, whole foods appears to have an army of subsidiaries, so the profit number on the mothership is a useless fiction.
1671092;1497631427;asciilifeform;trinque: 'pantsuit corps' like to funnel whatever profit there is into compensations for bluebloods, rather than dividends, also
1671093;1497631438;asciilifeform;a kind of unofficial 'nonprofit' scheme
1671094;1497631527;asciilifeform;anyone in usa who has not been to a wf -- visit, it is quite surreal 'disneyland of 'bay aryanism'' theme park. contains everything from 'ubuntu foundation coffee' to 'airbnb magazine' (i shit thee not)
1671095;1497631605;phf;asciilifeform: perhaps this http://www.ubuntu.life ?
1671096;1497631617;asciilifeform;phf: yes!
1671097;1497631640;asciilifeform;it.
1671098;1497631842;phf;but re wf, fwiw it's the least expensive of the pantsuit stores. there are much worse examples from both price and "ubuntu foundation" perspective. for example i have Mom's and Yes organic both within walking distance. i used to live next to dawson's in rockville. all of them are more wf than wf.
1671099;1497631855;asciilifeform;lol i have these here also
1671100;1497631864;asciilifeform;wf beats the living shit out of'em
1671101;1497631871;asciilifeform;on signal/noise etc
1671102;1497631883;trinque;texas has "central market", better selection than wf
1671103;1497631930;asciilifeform;wf is very much 'the lolmart of' 'highend food' in usa
1671104;1497632025;phf;s/n maybe. but if you're trying to buy "raw ingredients", like meat cuts, vegetables, bulk dry goods, wf is the cheapest option. can do safeway for some items, but there's a noticeable drop in quality
1671105;1497632034;asciilifeform;aha - scale
1671106;1497632265;phf;http://www.ubuntu.life/teammembers/ jesus
1671107;1497632296;*;asciilifeform hands phf an iron-cross-with-oak-leaves for intrepid entomology work
1671108;1497632339;asciilifeform;wai is the 'human resource manager' wearing a flakjacket...?!
1671109;1497632366;phf;they have a clothing line and everything https://ubuntumade.com
1671110;1497632374;asciilifeform;'head of production' : 'i am growing : we are gonna change it all'
1671111;1497632383;asciilifeform;'production manager' : 'i am a DIVA : we are the future of tomorrow'
1671112;1497632395;mod6;lmao
1671113;1497632415;*;asciilifeform maxed out dosimeter
1671114;1497632426;trinque;one side of that transaction doesn't look like it's eating too well
1671115;1497632445;phf;BOARD MEMBER i am inspired by children at UBUNTU school : we are working hard to help them reach their potential
1671116;1497632464;phf;BOARD PRESIDENT; EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE CHAIR i am loving and capable : we are miracles
1671117;1497633279;*;Framedragger just got reverse-poe-law'd. apparently this isn't parody, omg
1671118;1497633359;BingoBoingo;Oh?
1671119;1497633456;Framedragger;ah, just that all this time i was thinking #t was making fun of wannabe-board-member derps, but the above ^ are actual quotes
1671120;1497633604;trinque;ah god they're from Austin, too.
1671121;1497633767;asciilifeform;oh noez, maga valhalla infested!111
1671122;1497633794;trinque;californians have been swarming in.
1671123;1497634055;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5123A750E7EB3C5AA409ED550A847E392FA6FA40F440E88D3DFB6DD98F63EAE7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1477...1307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '179.191.83.166 (ssh-rsa key from 179.191.83.166 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mvx-179-191-83-166.mundivox.com. BR)
1671124;1497634055;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5123A750E7EB3C5AA409ED550A847E392FA6FA40F440E88D3DFB6DD98F63EAE7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...0803 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '179.191.83.166 (ssh-rsa key from 179.191.83.166 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mvx-179-191-83-166.mundivox.com. BR)
1671125;1497636239;ben_vulpes;"new seasons" is pretty choice
1671126;1497636338;*;trinque misses it.
1671127;1497637404;ben_vulpes;ahaha creative director: "i am creating : we are inspiring"
1671128;1497637441;ben_vulpes;> i am obedient
1671129;1497637466;ben_vulpes;why is it that only the white austin team has animated pics
1671130;1497637468;ben_vulpes;hm? HM?
1671131;1497640935;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/leftistfrench-batters-woman-during-her-visit-to-market-over-objections-to-her-campaign/ << Qntra - LeftistFrench Batters Woman During Her Visit To Market Over Objections To Her Campaign
1671132;1497641102;BingoBoingo;tit-le fxd
1671133;1497646705;BingoBoingo;https://i.redditmedia.com/eqWytWUtXWkDfdLSxRfzmV7t9r54kFBd35fovMbIea8.jpg?w=979&s=e226eae1ae23a27cc95555da99f8585e
1671134;1497646827;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1671135;1497646831;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2492.83, vol: 16148.30827408 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2473.308, vol: 7145.31136 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2445.8, vol: 25624.84666402 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2712.568932, vol: 14523.43730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2486.459, vol: 9171.34558406 | Volume-weighted last average: 2517.45782855
1671136;1497646838;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lel, gotta be a photoshit
1671137;1497646860;BingoBoingo;How sure?
1671138;1497649495;BingoBoingo;!!Up punto
1671139;1497649495;deedbot;punto voiced for 30 minutes.
1671140;1497649553;BingoBoingo;Hola punto! Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1671141;1497652294;sina;morning tmsr
1671142;1497653179;phf;ben_vulpes: i think they took one group photo of the afrian team (you can see it elsewhere) and then cut it for profile pictures
1671143;1497653197;asciilifeform;in other lullariae, http://www.vitorian.com/x1/archives/265 ( https://archive.is/LfwZH ) >> 'A 100% American Technology Company'
1671144;1497653492;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in spam : 'wanted: Vulnerability Researcher and Patriot. Vulnerability Researcher Do you critique the narrative and technology displayed on Mr. Robot? Do you like to wear a hoodie… always with the hood up? Do you have a haircut inspired by anime? NO?!! We guess that’s okay, as long as you can do some of the things listed below… and have a minimum of a Top Secret security clearance? .... IDA Pro ... x86' etc etc
1671145;1497653497;asciilifeform;i couldn't make these up if i tried.
1671146;1497653515;mircea_popescu;dorks.
1671147;1497653523;asciilifeform;'Applicants selected for employment will be subject to a Federal background investigation and must meet additional eligibility requirements for access to classified information or materials.'
1671148;1497653640;sina;you get what you advertise for
1671149;1497653642;sina;http://www.yodaiken.com/2017/06/16/the-c-standard-committee-effort-to-kill-c-continues/
1671150;1497653691;asciilifeform;sina : see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 .
1671151;1497653691;a111;Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
1671152;1497653742;asciilifeform;and likewise http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 .
1671153;1497653742;a111;Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
1671154;1497653767;sina;asciilifeform: maybe if you don't want the hoodie job you can work for https://www.torproject.org/about/jobs-browserdeveloper.html.en
1671155;1497653771;mircea_popescu;o hey, mi viaje!
1671156;1497653784;asciilifeform;sina: lol
1671157;1497653823;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also local branch of appletel is hiring! JAVA!
1671158;1497653825;asciilifeform;'Uninitialized memory has been used as a source of entropy to seed random number generators in OpenSSL, DragonFly BSD, OpenBSD, and elsewhere.10 If accessing an indeterminate value is undefined behavior, however, compilers may optimize out these expressions, resulting in predictable values.' << bonus lol
1671159;1497653841;sina;that's my fav line
1671160;1497653855;mircea_popescu;undefined behaviour != indeterminate values ffs.
1671161;1497653862;asciilifeform;'hey we neutron bombed yer house' 'but at least the rats died'
1671162;1497653880;mircea_popescu;!#s turbulent flow
1671163;1497653882;a111;9 results for "turbulent flow", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=turbulent%20flow
1671164;1497653900;sina;oh yeah I started working on an ircbot!
1671165;1497653908;sina;https://github.com/sinner-/chessbot
1671166;1497653909;mircea_popescu;sina what in ?
1671167;1497653924;sina;prototype in python for now, deciding whether to proceed in that lang or not
1671168;1497653930;*;asciilifeform has been working on the ~same ~20 lines of code for past... 6wks
1671169;1497653936;mircea_popescu;use supybot carcass then
1671170;1497653953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now you know why you can't have a job!
1671171;1497653965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: job is ~different~ 20ln lel
1671172;1497653966;mircea_popescu;black chicks coding have better loc productivity than you
1671173;1497653993;asciilifeform;chicks (as in the kind that hatch from egg) probably also
1671174;1497654023;mircea_popescu;cluckboard!
1671175;1497654052;asciilifeform;asciilifeform notices that his desk has an uncanny resemblance to the one in 'ascension of alfred'
1671176;1497654060;mircea_popescu;lol
1671177;1497654066;mircea_popescu;ALFred, geddit ?
1671178;1497654070;asciilifeform;apparently!
1671179;1497654075;asciilifeform;whole room, in point of fact
1671180;1497654469;lobbes; use supybot carcass then << aye. 'tis what lobbesbot (and I think jhvh1) run on, sina
1671181;1497654493;lobbes;or, even better, check out trinque's lispbot
1671182;1497654523;lobbes;I one day aim to migrate lobbesbot functions over to that.. but many things in the hopper before then
1671183;1497654728;*;Framedragger used sopel successfully. would also like to eventually migrate to ircbot/logbot, tho
1671184;1497654808;sina;literally everyone I know https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/listening
1671185;1497654903;sina;for some reason I feel mircea_popescu will enjoy this tweet https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/listening
1671186;1497654906;sina;oop
1671187;1497654908;sina;https://twitter.com/Free_Ross/status/875472042035949569
1671188;1497654931;mircea_popescu;not setup to read tweets atm. what is it ?
1671189;1497654943;sina;".@Coinbase disabled the #FreeRoss account after receiving 16.5 #Bitcoin this morning. We need that for Ross' defense"
1671190;1497654950;asciilifeform;sina: that ain't milk coming from the dead cow, it's corpsejuice
1671191;1497654956;mircea_popescu;idiots. why use known scam ?
1671192;1497654975;mircea_popescu;o, right, because they're all about FIXING the socialist tub so it can CONTINUE FOR LONGER
1671193;1497655087;sina;I knew you'd like it
1671194;1497655104;mircea_popescu;not sure i'd go as far as all that.
1671195;1497655287;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the era of erudite crackpotteries, https://archive.is/QH2bk >> 'July 28, 2003 // Magic Flight is an algorithm for public key exchange which is based on a lossy commutative mixer constructed from products of primes. The basic operation involves an underlying ring-like algebra which does not have multiplicative inverses, and may not have additive inverses. The elimination of additive inverses (cancellation) is intended
1671196;1497655287;asciilifeform; to prevent standard algebraic methods of solution.'
1671197;1497655342;mircea_popescu;the "does not have" is a remarkably strong claim
1671198;1497655397;*;asciilifeform does not endorse $subj
1671199;1497655404;asciilifeform;posted for historical purposes.
1671200;1497655437;asciilifeform;( at some point i'ma get around to sawing the thing open an' seeing if it contains salvageables )
1671201;1497655471;mircea_popescu;i dun get what exactly is the need for another key exchange algo.
1671202;1497655480;asciilifeform;none!!
1671203;1497655488;asciilifeform;that ain't the (potentially) interesting bit.
1671204;1497655505;mircea_popescu;the properties of constructed algebras are the pre-haskell mathwank.
1671205;1497655514;mircea_popescu;and i mean this very literally.
1671206;1497655521;asciilifeform;pre- mainscurrent wank
1671207;1497655530;mircea_popescu;not wank then yet.
1671208;1497655543;mircea_popescu;back when peopel like bannach and bolyai were doing it.
1671209;1497655549;mircea_popescu;much like kandisnky isn't yet wank.
1671210;1497655549;asciilifeform;aha!
1671211;1497655560;asciilifeform;'wank' in same sense as boolean algebra..
1671212;1497655608;asciilifeform;sorta why asciilifeform goes a-spelunkin' in old maths crackpotteries. every decade back ~doubles the snr
1671213;1497655627;mircea_popescu;just about. problem is that the basis is so narrow you need like five or six doublings.
1671214;1497655669;asciilifeform;http://users.rcn.com/pjsteuert/ << lol, poor lone soldier
1671215;1497655680;asciilifeform;wonder if he's alive still somewhere.
1671216;1497655849;trinque;https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-steuert-528a6525/ << eh?
1671217;1497655880;asciilifeform;who knows if same
1671218;1497655902;asciilifeform;but if yes... belly of the beast. RIP.
1671219;1497660994;danielpbarron;!!key Keira_
1671220;1497660996;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/C749882BD8DA745D08AED799E2412274349F8219.asc
1671221;1497662114;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in cheap ho-tels, http://68.media.tumblr.com/c7244ea521976e6ebab5ebbc69a8e56f/tumblr_ojztapZSp61w3shn6o1_1280.jpg
1671222;1497662296;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/28BBDCC61450814CF3F22DEFA6FD7B74BCF4C1D4A007F3AAB3D611350E614CD0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1059...1187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.2.36.167 (ssh-rsa key from 198.2.36.167 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rrcs-198-2-36-167.west.biz.rr.com. US CA)
1671223;1497662296;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/819BC7DB3450C9B9EF5D0AD24E6DF1ABD58A79A1962DB4FB76BD9965837C890B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1069...5599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.193.84.241 (ssh-rsa key from 66.193.84.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (66-193-84-241.static.twtelecom.net. US NY)
1671224;1497662296;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/28BBDCC61450814CF3F22DEFA6FD7B74BCF4C1D4A007F3AAB3D611350E614CD0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1069...5599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.2.36.167 (ssh-rsa key from 198.2.36.167 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rrcs-198-2-36-167.west.biz.rr.com. US CA)
1671225;1497662296;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/819BC7DB3450C9B9EF5D0AD24E6DF1ABD58A79A1962DB4FB76BD9965837C890B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1229...0123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.193.84.241 (ssh-rsa key from 66.193.84.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (66-193-84-241.static.twtelecom.net. US NY)
1671226;1497667681;phf;Enlightenment window manager is "fully committed to moving to Wayland eventually as this is definitely the future of the graphical display layer on Linux." etc.
1671227;1497667690;asciilifeform;ahahaha
1671228;1497667690;mircea_popescu;what's wayland ?
1671229;1497667702;asciilifeform;!#s wayland
1671230;1497667702;a111;15 results for "wayland", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wayland
1671231;1497667774;asciilifeform;e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450738 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455551 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602505
1671232;1497667774;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 23:01 asciilifeform: and iirc 'wayland' is one of those infuriating idiocies where 'want remote proggy? here's a DESKTOP, in a 1024x768 box'
1671233;1497667774;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 12:42 phf: but freezing effectively implies lockstep freezing of the whole environment, to hardware. ("oh we deprecated x11, your code better support wayland. oh this new video card only supports wayland, since x11 is deprecated, etc."]
1671234;1497667774;a111;Logged on 2017-01-13 23:41 asciilifeform: from comments, lulzgold, 'The Hivemind is fully committed to systemd for service management, Wayland for graphical display, and PulseAudio for audio, which is why it doesn’t matter if you personally find them distasteful, they will become the de facto standard. For systems programming, Rust looks increasingly like it will be the Hivemind’s choice to replace C, as it has the backing of the Mozilla organization, is being used for r
1671235;1497667798;asciilifeform;poetteringization of x11.
1671236;1497667969;phf;noticed this while looking for imlib2 sources
1671237;1497667992;phf;which is apparently https://git.enlightenment.org/legacy/imlib2.git now. legacy, see
1671238;1497668562;sina;"Report: 7 Percent of Americans Think Brown Cows Make Chocolate Milk"
1671239;1497668852;phf;you've lived in u.s. too long when you think "oh, hmm, that's not that bad actually!"
1671240;1497668859;mircea_popescu;heh
1671241;1497668861;asciilifeform;^
1671242;1497668990;mircea_popescu;this "poor idiots make standards -- doesn't matter what lords thnk" nonsense is it's very own kind of poetteringization.
1671243;1497668995;mircea_popescu;windows WILL NEVER BE a standardf.
1671244;1497669000;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE i do not use it.
1671245;1497669009;mircea_popescu;the ONLY WAY anything can matter is if ~I~ use it.
1671246;1497669181;sina;mircea_popescu: you use wordpress tho :P
1671247;1497669216;phf;some people when they come back to old homestead take certain perverse pleasure in learning that joe now sucks cock for meth, while molly is married with three kids to a cop that beats her. not i, i'm sad to see my childhood friends debase themselves so
1671248;1497669360;sina;I got nothing against Wayland.
1671249;1497669371;mircea_popescu;it's called mp-wp
1671250;1497669389;sina;at least Wayland apps can't keylog other Wayland apps like X can
1671251;1497669405;mircea_popescu;sina if you made them, at least.
1671252;1497669409;mircea_popescu;koch's styill can, i'm, sure.
1671253;1497669464;sina;I'm not saying it's the best thing ever, but X needs to die, and only a few people are doing the work to kill it
1671254;1497669479;asciilifeform;how about the folx trying to make it die, die instead.
1671255;1497669505;asciilifeform;preferably very painfully.
1671256;1497669522;phf;sina: did you read that on reddit?
1671257;1497669562;mircea_popescu;well, let's instead examine priors. sina and why must it die ?
1671258;1497669564;sina;phf: read what?
1671259;1497669691;sina;mircea_popescu: my main gripe is that X apps aren't isolated from each other, so they can tamper easily. I don't really like it that a vulnerability in, e.g. xeyes, can read firefox memory, or whatever.
1671260;1497669706;mircea_popescu;no apps on any x86 machine are isolated from each other.
1671261;1497669769;sina;so that makes it OK for a given X app to be able to log keys from another X app?
1671262;1497669775;mircea_popescu;ie, you are reacting to the empty tank light coming on by trying to buy a car without one
1671263;1497669795;mircea_popescu;no, it does not make it ok. it also does not make it ok for some snake oil salesman to sell his "better" shitpie.
1671264;1497669829;mircea_popescu;the republic is well weary of such charlatans, chiefly because their ~only offering encountered experimentally sooner or later boils down to "vote hillary"
1671265;1497669906;sina;the republic is, as you like to say, a sovereign entity, can do whatever it likes, including ignoring the existence of software produced by people it deems as charlatans
1671266;1497669915;mircea_popescu;this is so.
1671267;1497669933;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, it can not ignore it, and exploit the holes for great ethlulz.
1671268;1497669941;mircea_popescu;or it can laugh ass off at them and publicly humiliater
1671269;1497669954;mircea_popescu;or it can send assassins to peel the skin off their children in the night while they watch in horror.
1671270;1497669958;mircea_popescu;and so following. what of it ?
1671271;1497669991;sina;I'm trying to remember that thing you said when I was asking about the php mpfhf
1671272;1497670011;mircea_popescu;im sure it's in the glorious logs!
1671273;1497670101;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667824
1671274;1497670101;a111;Logged on 2017-06-09 22:38 mircea_popescu: "works in the sense that it does something, not in the sense it does what it should"
1671275;1497670108;mircea_popescu;lel
1671276;1497670134;phf;sina: could you explain the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how wayland prevents it, with some technical details?
1671277;1497670158;mircea_popescu;phf i doubt he's anything more than simply pissed at the rather famous x thing.
1671278;1497670172;mircea_popescu;it's one of those outrageous items.
1671279;1497670202;phf;that much is obvious from what he said so far, but i thought maybe he'll choose to think about it a little bit
1671280;1497670214;mircea_popescu;in time!
1671281;1497670238;*;phf simmers down
1671282;1497670257;mircea_popescu;phf is wise beyond his years.
1671283;1497670309;sina;phf: mostly my opinion based on this article https://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/linux-security-circus-on-gui-isolation.html
1671284;1497670351;asciilifeform;'Windows is the only one mainstream OS I'm aware of, that actually attempts to implement some form of GUI-level isolation, starting from Windows Vista. See e.g. this ancient article I wrote in the days when I used Vista at my primary laptop.'
1671285;1497670353;*;asciilifeform falls down.
1671286;1497670392;mircea_popescu;windows vista is so aptly named, like one of those florida retirement things. "rancho linda vista" etc
1671287;1497670393;asciilifeform;^ for n00bz -- this is verbatim Official usg doctrine -- i.e. the ostensible reason why winblowz is mandatory at nsa etc
1671288;1497670418;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe not at nsa, but eg at puerto rico / united ass-fucked emirates, etc.
1671289;1497670427;sina;did you rush to paste that before continue reading? she's aware of the limitations and nobody says "use windows"
1671290;1497670432;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mandatory at nsa
1671291;1497670436;sina;I'm not even a fan of Joanna or Qubes OS Xen junk
1671292;1497670443;asciilifeform;sina: i read it back when.
1671293;1497670445;sina;I just pointing out the issue illustrated there
1671294;1497670458;phf;sina: yes, but do you understand the ~technical details~
1671295;1497670459;sina;X apps receive *all* keyboard input
1671296;1497670468;sina;Wayland apps don't
1671297;1497670471;sina;yay
1671298;1497670472;mircea_popescu;sometimes i suspect asciilifeform has octopus helmet but with eyes, reads like that.
1671299;1497670474;asciilifeform;sina: ever meet a fella who bought reinforced iron door to put in a drywall flat , with ground floor windows ?
1671300;1497670491;phf;sina: that's an extreme oversimplification that is also not true
1671301;1497670521;sina;phf: it's not true that X apps receive all kb input?
1671302;1497670525;phf;no
1671303;1497670578;mircea_popescu;sina trivially verified, open two gui editors, type in one , check the other.
1671304;1497670584;phf;see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
1671305;1497670641;phf;x11 allows you to attach your own windows to a window hierarchy, that starts with root window
1671306;1497670672;phf;on any of those windows you can put masks for what kind of events you want to receive
1671307;1497670691;phf;root, being a special window receives all the events (that's very handwavy but closer to truth)
1671308;1497670707;phf;those events then propagate down the window hierarchy
1671309;1497670708;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: mandatory at nsa << Per "Reality Winner Mc Moon Unit"'s orders
1671310;1497670715;sina;fair, let me rephrase and you tell me if still not true: x apps have access to receive all keyboard input
1671311;1497670728;phf;an application can choose to register events on root window and thus receive all the keyboarding events that come in (or mouse events)
1671312;1497670766;sina;to me, the distinction between "X apps receive all keyboard input" and "X apps have access to receive all keyboard input" is negligible
1671313;1497670777;phf;sina: can you wait till i finish my explanation
1671314;1497670780;sina;sorry
1671315;1497670782;sina;continue
1671316;1497670839;phf;in addition there's a RECORD extension that allows any application to register for all keyboard events irrespective of their destination
1671317;1497670857;phf;that one is used for things like screen recording, and is optional. it doesn't otherwise respect the hierarchy
1671318;1497670905;sina;I have no beef with that extension
1671319;1497670929;phf;a security minded application can do what's known as a server grab, which isolates a chosen window and makes it a new root as far as events are concerned
1671320;1497670976;phf;so now it doesn't matter who's registered for what, the only windows that will be receiving events are those in the server grab hierarchy, i.e. your chosen window and its children
1671321;1497671059;phf;(there's a handful of other extensions that might potentially be used to subvert that mechanism, but likewise they are not mandatory and can be disabled like XTEST)
1671322;1497671097;phf;if you simply load an x app, attach it to root, and start grabbing all the events then you can come to same conclusion as any random chick with a blog "omg all teh events"
1671323;1497671116;phf;but if you were to actually repeat that same exercise when gnupg pinentry is asking you for password you'll see that it doesn't work
1671324;1497671139;phf;it still works though when xterm is asking you for password because xterm doesn't know it's a password entry, and doesn't do a grab
1671325;1497671158;mircea_popescu;the cogent objection to x is that "design irrespective, something this fucking long can never be good." the redditard objection to x is "omaygerd, black chix code!"
1671326;1497671177;phf;never the less ~xterm~ specifically supports server grab for people who know what they are doing (i.e. not the lunix on desktop crowd)
1671327;1497671206;sina;phf: ok that is pretty interesting and I didn't know
1671328;1497671213;phf;but anyway, all of this is at all relevant why? because of the first things i said, i.e. x11 lets clients ~from network~ or ~from other users~ to connect to your session
1671329;1497671242;phf;those clients are isolated, in one case by machine, in the other case by unix isolation, and can't do the obvious thing, that is read the memory of your password requesting process directly
1671330;1497671277;phf;so you could, theoretically connect to a compromised ssh box, with your x11 tunneling enabled, and get a silent agent snooping your keyboard
1671331;1497671287;phf;and this is where we come to wayland
1671332;1497671316;phf;wayland "mitigates" keylogger issue by not fucking letting you start apps either as a remote user or ~even as a different user on same machine~
1671333;1497671399;phf;so any wayland app that has access to your wayland session by the obvious implications can do the obvious thing: gpg encrypt all your files, steal all your passwords, and send compromising emails to all your friends, because as should be obvious that app has access to everything else you have access too oh my fucking god the level of retardation i can't even.
1671334;1497671430;mircea_popescu;phf's capacity to scale an explanation is well impressive.
1671335;1497671438;sina;sure, as can any application in the dac model
1671336;1497671479;sina;if you trust the software you can mitigate with whatever sandbox and if you don't then you need hw compartments, different issue
1671337;1497671552;sina;phf: finished? the discussion about server grab is appreciated. links to docs or examples appreciated also
1671338;1497671632;sina;!!rate phf 5 patient explanation of X server grab (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671304)
1671339;1497671632;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
1671340;1497671633;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Oxgfk/?raw=true
1671341;1497671663;phf;man XGrabKeyboard
1671342;1497671665;sina;!!v A07AB95DDCF240C19AECC10DB3102290DD17B353D9E3B04E88E8257368237C1E
1671343;1497671665;deedbot;sina rated phf 5 << patient explanation of X server grab (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671304)
1671344;1497671802;sina;https://github.com/keepassx/keepassx/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=XGrabKeyboard&type= :'(
1671345;1497671890;mircea_popescu;but try the command line ?
1671346;1497671933;sina;mircea_popescu: commandline keepassx?
1671347;1497671940;mircea_popescu;man XGrabKeyboard
1671348;1497671976;sina;oh, yeah, I read through that, and wanted to see if the password manager I use was utilising it ala gpg pinentry that phf mentioned
1671349;1497671979;sina;tis not
1671350;1497671988;mircea_popescu;ah
1671351;1497672013;mircea_popescu;i read that as you proposing random third party to be the root for the discussion somehow.
1671352;1497672024;sina;soz
1671353;1497672043;mircea_popescu;random blogspot links dun help :D
1671354;1497672080;phf;they might be relying on gtk/kde password input boxes to do the right thing
1671355;1497672308;phf;since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away
1671356;1497672899;sina;carrying on the "jobs for asciilifeform" https://jobs.lever.co/circlemedical/3de96093-ac16-40da-8ee6-0a721ebcd960?lever-origin=applied&lever-source%5B%5D=HACKERNEWS
1671357;1497672907;sina;Circle Medical is seeking an Ethereum hacker to build dApps for healthcare
1671358;1497672942;mircea_popescu;momentarily read "the", was "wtf are these people smoking"
1671359;1497672966;mircea_popescu;but obviously, they don't even know it's a matter of "the", smoking own cock as per usual with the ustards.
1671360;1497673173;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1671362;1497674510;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671355 << can't speak for other folx, i run in '0 stealing focus' mode
1671363;1497674510;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 04:05 phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away
1671364;1497674520;asciilifeform;as in, 0 popups, focus moves WHEN I MOTHERFUCKING MOVE IT
1671365;1497674537;asciilifeform;( this is trivial in 'ratpoison' and i have nfi where else )
1671366;1497674566;asciilifeform;and i mean literally does not EVER move by itself -- not connected to mouse, either
1671367;1497674577;asciilifeform;has to be moved explicitly, using designated keys
1671368;1497674589;asciilifeform;and this is as it ought to be.
1671369;1497674610;mircea_popescu;is it connected to alt-tab ? :D
1671370;1497674613;asciilifeform;nope/
1671371;1497674622;mircea_popescu;but standard!
1671372;1497674639;asciilifeform;connected to, i shit thee not, dedicated physical keys.
1671373;1497674652;mircea_popescu;pedal ?
1671374;1497674660;asciilifeform;nah
1671375;1497674662;asciilifeform;keys
1671376;1497674684;mircea_popescu;pedal would be cool
1671377;1497674691;sina;lol http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/inspiration.html'
1671378;1497674693;asciilifeform;i used to have pedals
1671379;1497674698;sina;ratpoison created so people could code while high?
1671380;1497674715;asciilifeform;threw out , from frustration, because nobody - NOBODY - sells a set of pedals of decent physical quality
1671381;1497675045;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671332 >> 'Хорошо тому живется / У кого одна нога...'
1671382;1497675045;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 03:48 phf: wayland "mitigates" keylogger issue by not fucking letting you start apps either as a remote user or ~even as a different user on same machine~
1671383;1497675199;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671325 << the objection is valid but only when it comes with a 'and here is how i shortened it and DOES SAME JOB'
1671384;1497675199;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 mircea_popescu: the cogent objection to x is that "design irrespective, something this fucking long can never be good." the redditard objection to x is "omaygerd, black chix code!"
1671385;1497675220;mircea_popescu;myeah
1671386;1497675231;asciilifeform;i.e. remote session on ARBITRARY SIZED DISPLAY and not in motherfucking microshit-style 'have your 1024x768 remotedesktop liquishit'
1671387;1497675251;mircea_popescu;im not trying to take your monitors
1671388;1497675271;asciilifeform;it ain't even about the monitors, but re the poettering's attempts to import the 'desktop' idiocy into linux
1671389;1497675278;asciilifeform;where 'of course there is One Desktop'
1671390;1497675287;mircea_popescu;what is the desktop idiocy ?
1671391;1497675302;asciilifeform;the one where there is anything whatsoever graphically outside of particular proggy.
1671392;1497675307;*;mircea_popescu has notced people keep ranting on about "folders" which supposedly is how you say directory now, but w/e.
1671393;1497675310;asciilifeform;and in particular, shared between sessions
1671394;1497675326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't get it.
1671395;1497675437;asciilifeform;well, on classical x11 i have, e.g., machine that runs, say, 20 gui proggies, and each one 1) is on an entirely different machine, somewhere else, some of them not even on same continent 2) behaves EXACTLY as if it were running locally, window reshapes, etc 3) none have any shared state with the others, each sees local disk only of own local machine etc
1671396;1497675464;mircea_popescu;but consider eulora. it has a ... login desktop, which is not only shared between sessions, but users also! being the same
1671397;1497675469;mircea_popescu;then you get to your actual game.
1671398;1497675485;asciilifeform;yes but deliberate effect
1671399;1497675500;mircea_popescu;so if compiz or w/e has a similar thing ? dun have to run compiz.
1671400;1497675509;asciilifeform;and it is not in any reasonable sense 'shared', merely copied
1671401;1497675519;mircea_popescu;well what's the difference
1671402;1497675526;asciilifeform;the shared state in eulora is the game board -- explicit
1671403;1497675543;mircea_popescu;no, if you change your username it is going to show trhe new one when you boot it next
1671404;1497675559;asciilifeform;get hold some time of a winblows box and see what microshit passes off as 'remote desktop', then will see what was meant here.
1671405;1497675589;*;mircea_popescu files this discussion away for retirement.
1671406;1497675618;asciilifeform;( spoiler : all you get is the effect of N duplicate screens -- in the form of cruddy, slow, dithered mirrors of 1 screen - and keyboard - of a single, in effect, winblowz box. can even play 'war of the cursors' )
1671407;1497675673;mircea_popescu;which reminds me, girl forgot wireless mouse for laptop, was trying to use the mousepad. i, from meters away, was helping with the mouse.
1671408;1497675677;mircea_popescu;was great fun!
1671409;1497675709;asciilifeform;lel
1671410;1497675723;mircea_popescu;it can produce a huge ball of wtf, this procedure.
1671411;1497679641;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460261
1671412;1497679641;a111;Logged on 2016-05-01 17:42 asciilifeform: (they bought the outfit i was in at the time, hilarious story for another time)
1671413;1497679648;sina;tell us the story asciilifeform
1671414;1497681124;sina;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461762 did this ever happen
1671415;1497681124;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 12:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone with a box with python > 3.2 on it is willing to give http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ a whirl (specifically in regards to the modulus in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461712 ) plox lemme know whether it even worx.
1671416;1497681138;mircea_popescu;not afgaik
1671417;1497681853;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462226
1671418;1497681853;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 00:32 asciilifeform: i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose.
1671419;1497683474;sina;alright, it's been a pleasure, going to get some sushi
1671420;1497693041;BingoBoingo;!~ud extra af
1671421;1497693042;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: ERROR: 'extra af' not defined on UrbanDictionary.
1671422;1497710654;mircea_popescu;meanwhile from the "today i introduced my best friend to my master. we went for a picnic" files, https://68.media.tumblr.com/91b81a0742485b4a8aee7870536e5603/tumblr_onq1le4qqH1ssn9vjo1_400.gif
1671423;1497711419;asciilifeform;lol ukrs
1671424;1497711509;mircea_popescu;couldja tell ?
1671425;1497711515;mircea_popescu;wat gave it away, the bear in the distance ?
1671426;1497711526;asciilifeform;the demonstrative lolgarb ?
1671427;1497711532;mircea_popescu;:p
1671428;1497711551;mircea_popescu;i always thought that's just gypsy swag. now you're telling me it's ukrainian ?!
1671429;1497711612;asciilifeform;hey they too can be ukrs!111 ( if they can be 'romanians' )
1671430;1497711633;mircea_popescu;i suppose trully, they're just british.
1671431;1497711673;asciilifeform;i've yet to meet the brit fond of dressing up in ukriform -- but nfi.
1671432;1497711720;mircea_popescu;i've yet to meet the british government NOT fond of going around naming things.
1671433;1497711729;asciilifeform;tru
1671434;1497716237;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC0A629D9F7ED9E06B98F7D21BB5A116CFB99DF5A9866B47E11088EC804044DF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1390...8363 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.203.135.138 (ssh-rsa key from 89.203.135.138 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (138-135-203-89.net.baz.cz. CZ)
1671435;1497716237;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC0A629D9F7ED9E06B98F7D21BB5A116CFB99DF5A9866B47E11088EC804044DF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1501...3783 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.203.135.138 (ssh-rsa key from 89.203.135.138 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (138-135-203-89.net.baz.cz. CZ)
1671436;1497717384;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A347597E83187EAC28F0979A98CCB1B5BA36BD16A6023C8288E4CC1D68EBE464 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...5243 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.70.190.113 (ssh-rsa key from 217.70.190.113 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-190-113.ghst.net. FR)
1671437;1497717384;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A347597E83187EAC28F0979A98CCB1B5BA36BD16A6023C8288E4CC1D68EBE464 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1569...0387 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.70.190.113 (ssh-rsa key from 217.70.190.113 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-190-113.ghst.net. FR)
1671438;1497717414;Framedragger;!$ssh 89.203.135.138 217.70.190.113
1671439;1497717414;scriba;ssh banner of 89.203.135.138 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
1671440;1497717416;scriba;ssh banner of 217.70.190.113 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
1671441;1497719405;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/ << Trilema - The boundless burden
1671442;1497720132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/#comment-122248
1671443;1497720340;mircea_popescu;back atcha
1671444;1497720567;asciilifeform;incidentally,
1671445;1497720575;asciilifeform;!~google felonious fortification
1671446;1497720576;jhvh1;asciilifeform: ASK DR. SCHUND - Mazepath: ; Breast milk (Steven B. Harris, M.D.) - Yarchive: ; Erythorbic Acid (President Bush have a less-carcinogenic hotdog ...:
1671447;1497720587;asciilifeform;lol , 1st 2 hits -- subj!
1671448;1497720603;asciilifeform;and 3 -- uncle al commenting..
1671449;1497720610;asciilifeform;( so all 3 )
1671450;1497720666;asciilifeform;'FDA specifically bans from human infant formula ("felonious fortification") the addition of a tetraunsaturated fatty acid only found in human breast milk. Near as anyone can tell, its only metabolic purpose is to encourage brain development. Human milk for human babies - or you bring up a Democrat.' ftr.
1671451;1497720914;asciilifeform;elsewhere in uncleal, 'The FDA screamed "felonious fortification" when makers of cheap fortified wines wanted to add thiamine to prevent alcoholic neuropathy caused by thiamine malabsorption.'
1671452;1497720952;mircea_popescu;heh
1671453;1497720971;mircea_popescu;al schwartz is such a treasure of specific information.
1671454;1497721157;asciilifeform;though i am at a loss to find a clean 'logic' for what gets 'fortified'. for instance i have on my desk now a commonplace can of pseudofreon , and to some surprise discovered 'bitterant to deter snorting' on the ingredients list
1671455;1497721177;asciilifeform;gotta wonder, what cost it adds to the bottle, and what effect it has on the surfaces where sprayed, etc
1671456;1497721182;mircea_popescu;i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN
1671457;1497721186;asciilifeform;and wtf was the Official justification.
1671458;1497721204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the contents?!
1671459;1497721208;mircea_popescu;yup
1671460;1497721225;asciilifeform;ah y'mean liquid, e.g. antifreeze ?
1671461;1497721227;mircea_popescu;obv, toxic if ingested. but that color was outright alien
1671462;1497721228;mircea_popescu;yes
1671463;1497721263;asciilifeform;didja buy it in a comp shop, meant for use in those fluorescent-lit showman pcs kidz build ?!
1671464;1497721278;mircea_popescu;nope, car shop.
1671465;1497721281;asciilifeform;nuts.
1671466;1497721286;mircea_popescu;lemme see
1671467;1497721327;mircea_popescu;ah dun have the paperwork here, but anyway, io tell you, that item would work great as artist installation. it's an otherwordly color
1671468;1497721359;asciilifeform;incidentally 'water pc' folx often add fluorescent dye to the coolant even when not 'show piece' -- it aids in finding leaks
1671469;1497721363;asciilifeform;( uv lamp )
1671470;1497721387;asciilifeform;possibly the practice had spread to auto world
1671471;1497721396;mircea_popescu;ah this makes sense huh
1671472;1497721402;mircea_popescu;clever enough
1671473;1497721429;mod6;hola
1671474;1497721444;mircea_popescu;and great tits to you too, mod6 !
1671475;1497721449;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: methyl mercaptan is the ultimate 'leak finder', but for some... odd!111 reason ... not popular
1671476;1497721458;mircea_popescu;stinks to all heavens ?
1671477;1497721463;asciilifeform;aha, is the point!
1671478;1497721472;mircea_popescu;but it might explain why not popular ?
1671479;1497721474;asciilifeform;same way you know that gas leak.
1671480;1497721503;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's father had an army story where he & some d00dz got hold of a vial
1671481;1497721503;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point re fluorescents is more to see where than to see if, i bet.
1671482;1497721521;asciilifeform;and it went into (wooden) truck bed of a certain fella who Really Needed To
1671483;1497721533;asciilifeform;later he was made to go to the forest an' burn the bed.
1671484;1497721545;mircea_popescu;lol
1671485;1497721566;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> and great tits to you too, mod6 ! << and to you Sir!
1671486;1497721587;asciilifeform;heya mod6
1671487;1497721598;mod6;how goes alf?
1671488;1497721606;asciilifeform;mod6: still doing ~same thing..
1671489;1497721614;asciilifeform;(fixed-space karatsuba)
1671490;1497721620;asciilifeform;astonishing degree of bitch
1671491;1497721636;asciilifeform;( and -- afaik it has never existed, anywhere, anyhow, nowhere to crib, also )
1671492;1497721787;mod6;aha
1671493;1497721800;asciilifeform;i'll review karatsuba here, ftr. suppose you have 2 L-bit numbers, X and Y, to multiply. you can multiply X*Y the usual way, is O(N^2). but instead anatoly alexeevich k. shows us that you can cut X into X0,X1, ceil(x/2) and floor(x/2) bits, respectively, and same to Y, -> Y0,Y1, and then you only gotta do THREE multiplications, X0*Y0, X1*Y1, (X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1)
1671494;1497721821;asciilifeform;then you can recombine'em ,
1671495;1497721926;mod6;this seems to make sense to me off the cuff.
1671496;1497721941;asciilifeform;( (X0*Y0) << 2K ) + (((X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) - X0*X1 - X1*Y1) << K) + X1*Y1 .
1671497;1497721951;mircea_popescu;mod6 if you manage to cut l to where it's 64 bits you save a loit
1671498;1497721966;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that there's the base case
1671499;1497721973;asciilifeform;and usually you'll have it above 1 machine word
1671500;1497721997;asciilifeform;( where to draw magic line, can only be found empirically, depends somewhat on machine )
1671501;1497722038;asciilifeform;but at any rate, the astute reader will immediately notice that k's algo is not fixedwidth-friendly : in the addition
1671502;1497722060;asciilifeform;addition of 2 B-bit integers needs B+1 bits
1671503;1497722077;asciilifeform;our machine ain't bit-discrete tho and so it needs M+1 machine words
1671504;1497722100;asciilifeform;immediate 'argh' because we set out to operate SOLELY with M-bit FFA.
1671505;1497722190;mircea_popescu;tsk
1671506;1497722197;mircea_popescu;this IS a bitch
1671507;1497722206;mod6;hmm.
1671508;1497722222;asciilifeform;so, for instance, if X and Y were 32-bit integers, the term (X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) is actually 34 bits wide.
1671509;1497722232;asciilifeform;or scratch that
1671510;1497722242;asciilifeform;66
1671511;1497722258;asciilifeform;lol
1671512;1497722376;mircea_popescu;the babe police force arrested ben vulpes
1671513;1497722382;asciilifeform;lel
1671514;1497722441;asciilifeform;anyway to round out the thread -- i solved it, in the 'obvious' way, but now gotta simplify the proggy a bit, so that it becomes again readable, and also ideally would like to waste less space
1671515;1497722464;asciilifeform;( it is probably obvious that any conceivable solution - esp in a pointer-avoiding proggy -- will waste much space )
1671516;1497722479;mircea_popescu;i prefer the word invest.
1671517;1497722492;asciilifeform;waiwat
1671518;1497722555;asciilifeform;see, when we copy bits again and again , things gets slow, and ends up barely beating the egyptological mult.
1671519;1497722591;mircea_popescu;not wasted space. invested space.
1671520;1497722608;asciilifeform;the 'return' on the 'investment' is a ~year-long keygen time.
1671521;1497722615;mircea_popescu;security.
1671522;1497722616;asciilifeform;nogood.jpg
1671523;1497722622;mircea_popescu;but yes
1671524;1497722733;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671504 << M-WORD, that is
1671525;1497722733;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 17:55 asciilifeform: immediate 'argh' because we set out to operate SOLELY with M-bit FFA.
1671526;1497722773;asciilifeform;it continues to entertain asciilifeform that ALL KNOWN implementations of rsa extant, branch-on-secretbits
1671527;1497722800;asciilifeform;( in that their mult is not fixedspace and thereby - regardless of what snakeoil is used -- not fixedtime )
1671528;1497722814;mircea_popescu;myeah
1671529;1497722823;mircea_popescu;doth not entertain me
1671530;1497722846;mircea_popescu;larger bar to actual tmsr sovereignity to correspond to the ideological than, eg, the continued existence of the united states.
1671531;1497722880;asciilifeform;( at one point i derived how to do ~fixed-joules~ rsa, and it is in the logs, but needs peculiar silicon, don't expect one yet )
1671532;1497722913;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox to expand ?
1671533;1497722941;mircea_popescu;rsa is the fundamental basis of individual identity. tmsr is a republic of men. without proper rsa, it can not be properly said men exist.
1671534;1497722988;asciilifeform;sorta how basis of victorian england was the logarithmic table. eggog - sink ship. hence the effort for the steam 'difference engine' etc
1671535;1497722997;mircea_popescu;yes, rather exactly.
1671536;1497726487;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671496 << err, ( (X0*Y0) << 2K ) + (((X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) - X0*Y0 - X1*Y1) << K) + X1*Y1 .
1671537;1497726487;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 17:52 asciilifeform: ( (X0*Y0) << 2K ) + (((X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) - X0*X1 - X1*Y1) << K) + X1*Y1 .
1671538;1497726585;mircea_popescu;you just said the same thing
1671539;1497726595;asciilifeform;nope.
1671540;1497726602;mircea_popescu;eh the hell
1671541;1497726609;asciilifeform;diff with diff if you can't with eyes
1671542;1497726637;mircea_popescu;rly ?
1671543;1497726696;mircea_popescu;X0*Y0 lol wtf was that
1671544;1497726708;asciilifeform;typo
1671545;1497726717;asciilifeform;i had grunted it in from memory
1671546;1497726718;mircea_popescu;unreadable typo apparently
1671547;1497726733;mircea_popescu;6 passes!
1671548;1497726757;asciilifeform;yeah well if mod6 or phf or anybody had tried cooking with this recipe, he'd get headache and wonder wtf asciilifeform was smoking
1671549;1497726793;*;asciilifeform always proofreads equations dropped into teh l0gz, but not necessarily in time!11
1671550;1497726871;asciilifeform;incidentally the time to understand why this recipe works, is now, because users of 'p' will be expected to grasp it and the rest of mechanism
1671551;1497726879;asciilifeform;as part of the 'pack yer own parachute' philosophy.
1671552;1497727057;mircea_popescu;a = a1 * 10^x + a2 ; b = b1 * 10^x + b2
1671553;1497727073;mircea_popescu;a * b = (a1+a2)*(b1 + b2) = etc
1671554;1497727481;mod6;yeah, im about to write this one on my whiteboard here.
1671555;1497728157;ben_vulpes;do forgive my ignorance, but why must rsa ops run in constant, worst-case time?
1671556;1497728185;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's not the point. the point is that the processor must never have an if(secretbit) then branch
1671557;1497728194;mircea_popescu;this then reduces to the case where constant, space, time etc
1671558;1497728274;mircea_popescu;whereas as alf aptly points out, the waywards of the world attempt to spit-fix this after the fact.
1671559;1497728291;ben_vulpes;because those branches might spew secrets to the nic?
1671560;1497728302;mircea_popescu;which, as i told sina, certainly fixes something : it makes it so that common people can't spy, but nsa still can.
1671561;1497728328;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes because then an outsider can and therefore will observe the black box behaviour differentials, thereby giving away the keys.
1671562;1497728575;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if i ( or whoever ) can time the execution of your mod-exp even to , e.g., 20% accuracy, a couplea times (say, by listening with radio next door) i can derive your p,q.
1671563;1497728601;ben_vulpes;aha
1671564;1497728609;asciilifeform;supposing you were using gpg ( or pretty much any other rsatron )
1671565;1497728733;asciilifeform;hypothetically i could even do it ( supposing your rsatron is mains-powered ) by observing the imperceptible dimming of the room lights, from 5km away
1671566;1497728734;asciilifeform;or whichever.
1671567;1497728749;asciilifeform;the kindergarten term for the concept is 'side channel'.
1671568;1497729010;asciilifeform;the imho interesting part of this tale is that ~time~ is the most, it turns out, difficult side channel to properly cement shut
1671569;1497729032;asciilifeform;because none of the naive approaches 1) work 2) give any symptom of not working, until you're dead
1671570;1497729061;asciilifeform;adding random noise -- 'i'll look in the box after T nsec, with T uniform random quantity..' most interestingly does NOT work
1671571;1497729077;asciilifeform;in that you are adding a finite and -- in most cases manageable -- amount of noise to the signal.
1671572;1497729094;asciilifeform;which enemy will -- eventually -- subtract.
1671573;1497729120;asciilifeform;( if you own, e.g., 'gps' receiver, you already own an example of a device that picks up a signal BELOW motherfucking THERMAL noise!1111 )
1671574;1497729151;ben_vulpes;whoa really?
1671575;1497729156;asciilifeform;aaha
1671576;1497729168;asciilifeform;!~google phase-locked loop
1671577;1497729169;jhvh1;asciilifeform: What is phase - locked loop ? - Definition from WhatIs.com: ; Phase Locked Loop Tutorial | PLL Fundamtentals | Radio ...: ; MT-086: Fundamentals of Phase Locked Loops ... - Analog Devices: (1 more message)
1671578;1497729177;asciilifeform;^ basic idea
1671579;1497729287;ben_vulpes;mhm
1671580;1497729301;ben_vulpes;did not know the signal was that quiet
1671581;1497729412;asciilifeform;idea of pll is that you can indeed see a lit match from mile away in daylight if you know 'exactly when to look'
1671582;1497729462;asciilifeform;concept is usually taught in re radio but applies just as readily in optics -- say, the common infrared remote button
1671583;1497729493;asciilifeform;receiver samples at the carrier freq (typically 40 or so kHz), and then processed as serial bits.
1671584;1497729522;asciilifeform;whereas if you're a kid and naively build a thing that tries to close a relay when infrared diode sees light and conducts dc -- it will work for maybe a metre, no moar, distance
1671585;1497729551;asciilifeform;...drowns in noise, if made any moar sensitive
1671586;1497729565;asciilifeform;because room is full of, if you will, 'dc' light
1671587;1497729573;asciilifeform;whereas (ideally) 'not so full' of 40kHz light.
1671588;1497729667;asciilifeform;lulzily, long ago, asciilifeform tried to make use of this principle to build a sunglass for seeing lappy lcd in bright sunlight ( sync lcd shutter, a la 'game glasses', to the backlight pwm freq )
1671589;1497729688;asciilifeform;couldn't source a set of lcd glasses that had usefully high switching speed.
1671590;1497729853;mod6;ok. so there looks to be a section on this in AoCP Vol 2. section 4.3.3. [ Section A ]
1671591;1497730006;mod6;I guess, it doesn't cover karatsuba specifically, but gives some background perhaps for the uninitiated.
1671592;1497731165;mod6;asciilifeform: can you explain what K is and why we need to shift by it?
1671593;1497731188;shinohai;!!up m0n0lake
1671594;1497731188;deedbot;m0n0lake voiced for 30 minutes.
1671595;1497731373;mircea_popescu;!!up b00blegum
1671596;1497731373;deedbot;b00blegum voiced for 30 minutes.
1671597;1497731417;mod6;is this like taking the low-order bits of X0*Y0 << 2*(WORD_SIZE), and (((X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) - X0*Y0 - X1*Y1) << WORD_SIZE ?
1671598;1497731462;shinohai;Epic logs I missed over past ~2 days .... especially phf's lecture this a.m.
1671599;1497731474;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes but do the math for signal power used in eg FM radio, then figure what the satellite would have to send.
1671600;1497731539;m0n0lake;i don't need no voice , thanks shinohai
1671601;1497731657;shinohai;!!down m0n0lake
1671602;1497731676;shinohai;One of those Argentines mircea_popescu raves about I see.
1671603;1497731832;mircea_popescu;mod6 you take a number of say 22 bits, and cut it in two 11 bit numbers. this 11 is the k. then you have first part * 2 ^ K (=11) + second part to get the original back
1671604;1497731850;mircea_popescu;shifts are mults by powers of two in binary, basically.
1671605;1497731918;mircea_popescu;trivially, 11 * 11 = 121, and also (10 + 1) * (10 + 1) = 10 * 10 + 2 * 10 * 1 + 1 * 1 = 121.
1671606;1497731934;mircea_popescu;that 10 is 1 * 10 ^ 1 ie first part * 2 ^ k.
1671607;1497731959;mircea_popescu;because obviously if we're cutting up 11, the first part will be 1 and the second part will be 1.
1671608;1497732226;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-16#1671180 <<< 'tis correct, though I am still working on switching it to lispbot as time permits.
1671609;1497732226;a111;Logged on 2017-06-16 23:07 lobbes: use supybot carcass then << aye. 'tis what lobbesbot (and I think jhvh1) run on, sina
1671610;1497732822;mod6;mircea_popescu: ok thanks.
1671611;1497732844;mircea_popescu;that make sense ?
1671612;1497732990;mod6;i haven't groked it yet.
1671613;1497732991;asciilifeform;mod6: mircea_popescu's explanation is correct: K is ceil(bitness/2)
1671614;1497733078;asciilifeform;...if all of your ffa are 'clean' powerof2-sized, you can lose the floor/ceiling thing
1671615;1497733120;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this was going to be my next line of inquiry. can the above discussed +1 bs be lost if we simply enforce a conveniently chosen size ?
1671616;1497733134;asciilifeform;which one
1671617;1497733146;mircea_popescu;!#s "argh"
1671618;1497733147;a111;120 results for "\"argh\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22argh%22
1671619;1497733153;asciilifeform;the carry from the addition ? nope
1671620;1497733176;asciilifeform;i'ma work a concrete example here, so, patience...:
1671621;1497733188;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671504 this one
1671622;1497733188;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 17:55 asciilifeform: immediate 'argh' because we set out to operate SOLELY with M-bit FFA.
1671623;1497733240;asciilifeform;let's multiply 0xffffffff by 0xffffffff
1671624;1497733248;asciilifeform;( maxint of 32bit register )
1671625;1497733261;asciilifeform;using k.algo ( you wouldn't, in life, but principle remains same )
1671626;1497733280;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> trivially, 11 * 11 = 121, and also (10 + 1) * (10 + 1) = 10 * 10 + 2 * 10 * 1 + 1 * 1 = 121. << what I can't figure out is where the part: + 2 comes from.
1671627;1497733284;asciilifeform;the result is ( noshit.jpg!! ) a 64bit , 0xfffffffe00000001
1671628;1497733289;asciilifeform;let's get it via k.:
1671629;1497733321;asciilifeform;X0 = 0xffff
1671630;1497733322;asciilifeform;X1 = 0xffff
1671631;1497733325;asciilifeform;Y0 = 0xffff
1671632;1497733327;asciilifeform;Y1 = 0xffff
1671633;1497733363;mod6;if i FOIL this thing (10 + 1)(10 + 1), i get: 10*10 + 10*1 + 1*10 + 1*1; 100 + 10 + 10 + 1 = 121. ooh, is see what you did there.
1671634;1497733371;asciilifeform;X0Y0 = 0xfffe0001
1671635;1497733385;asciilifeform;X1Y1 = 0xfffe0001
1671636;1497733398;asciilifeform;nao for the bitch :
1671637;1497733418;asciilifeform;X0+X1 == Y0+Y1 == 0x1fffe .
1671638;1497733434;asciilifeform;which is 17, and not 16 bits
1671639;1497733469;asciilifeform;(X0 + X1) * (Y0 + Y1) == 0x3fff80004
1671640;1497733477;asciilifeform;which is ~34~ bits
1671641;1497733550;asciilifeform;sooooo:
1671642;1497733560;asciilifeform;p0 = X0*Y0
1671643;1497733566;asciilifeform;p1 = ( (X0 + X1) * (Y0 + Y1) )
1671644;1497733570;asciilifeform;p2 = X1*Y1
1671645;1497733579;asciilifeform;p2*(2**32) + (p1-p2-p0)*(2**16) + p0 ==
1671646;1497733585;asciilifeform;0xfffffffe00000001
1671647;1497733588;asciilifeform;and we're done.
1671648;1497733603;asciilifeform;( apologies for l0g clutter, but gotta do this !!)
1671649;1497733892;asciilifeform;if it weren't obvious, k = 16
1671650;1497733956;asciilifeform;( we did not recurse, in this example, explicitly, but if you had -- you would have k := ceil((bitness of x and y)/2) naturally in each level of recursion
1671651;1497733958;asciilifeform;)
1671652;1497734030;mod6;<+asciilifeform> if it weren't obvious, k = 16 << this seems to make sense
1671653;1497734145;mircea_popescu;mod6 because (a + b) * (c + d) = a (c + d) + b (c +d) = ac + ad + bc + bd. now, in our case, we were doing 11 * 11 and so a = 10 AND c = 10, while b = 1 AND d = 1, and so if you replace you yahve 10 * 10 + 10 * 1 + 1 * 10 + 1 * 1. because 10 * 1 = 1 * 10 you can just write it down as 2 * 10 * 1.
1671654;1497734153;asciilifeform;now my recipe is arranged a little bit differently from, e.g., knuth's , so that we can forget about signs
1671655;1497734166;asciilifeform;( there are not and will not be signed arithmetic in ffa )
1671656;1497734190;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is using base10 in his example but otherwise right
1671657;1497734191;mod6;mircea_popescu: yup, gotcha, that short hand threw me through a loop for a minute. lol.
1671658;1497734209;mircea_popescu;mod6 the thing with these is always some little insignificant nook that gets caught
1671659;1497734214;mod6;just was overthinking it .. thought maybe the '2' was a base reference or something
1671660;1497734239;asciilifeform;mod6: aha, my recipe uses (noshit.jpg) base2
1671661;1497734242;mircea_popescu;but yes alf is correct i did base 10 for convenience because most people don't have base 2 mult table loaded in head so dunno what 110 * 101 is
1671662;1497734258;mod6;yeah, was easier.
1671663;1497734263;asciilifeform;knuth uses base10 in his overview, aha
1671664;1497734295;mod6;yeah, few examples i've seen of karatsuba all use base 10..
1671665;1497734299;asciilifeform;basic idea is that k's algo transforms a N-bit O(N^2) mult, into instead ~three~ (N/2)-bit mults
1671666;1497734313;asciilifeform;(four would be the obvious but useless transform)
1671667;1497734325;mod6;apparently this ends up being O(N^ln 3) or something
1671668;1497734333;asciilifeform;aha
1671669;1497734337;mircea_popescu;this is only relevant because machines do mults in like 18x the time they do adds.
1671670;1497734398;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually it remains relevant even if single-word mult is (as it is on some boxes) 1 cycle, same as add
1671671;1497734441;mircea_popescu;it does ?
1671672;1497734449;asciilifeform;aha.
1671673;1497734487;asciilifeform;karatsuba et al weren't even working with computers. but wrestling with question of how much, abstractly, work, does multiplication per se entail.
1671674;1497734518;mircea_popescu;if single - word mult is same as add, there's no benefit to not simply multing the parts.
1671675;1497734523;asciilifeform;nope.
1671676;1497734580;asciilifeform;btw iirc this is an ~actual~ exercise in knuth -- to show that you still need karatsuba on a box where add(word,word) takes same time as mult(word,word)
1671677;1497734616;BingoBoingo; i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << The dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages.
1671678;1497734623;asciilifeform;( spoiler : ultimately we are dealing with ~multiword~ ops, and the complexity of how the multing actually happens, comes into play )
1671679;1497734645;*;asciilifeform brb
1671680;1497734687;mircea_popescu;which one is orange ?
1671681;1497734692;mircea_popescu;this was ethylene glycol iirc
1671682;1497734697;BingoBoingo; possibly the practice had spread to auto world << Coolant color coded with dye. Refrigerant available with optional dye for leak finding.
1671683;1497734861;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << he dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages. << iirc, all vehicles pre-1995 or so used the green coolant.
1671684;1497734909;mod6;post, most seem to now use this "dex-cool" stuff which is pink or orange. you are not supposed to mix them, no. and as bb says, can introduce rust into the water jacket of the block.
1671685;1497734974;mod6;anyway, the wisdom seems to be, use what's described in the manual or even written on the radiator cap. fwiw, never open a radiator cap while engine is hot - contents under pressure.
1671686;1497734983;mod6;(noshit.jpg) et. al.
1671687;1497735067;mod6;im not sure why they switched to the new coolant. they always just said, "lasts longer, etc." but i wonder if it was really due to the proliferation of aluminum blocks.
1671688;1497735116;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1671689;1497735160;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks for the hex example.
1671690;1497735175;mircea_popescu;which brings the mixing : putting orange in green engine is bad. orange engine can run with green fine
1671691;1497735188;shinohai;So apparently all one needs to destroy a US destroyer is container ship: http://archive.is/4GbGw
1671692;1497735204;mircea_popescu;shinohai cardboard car for looking at not for driving in the rain.
1671693;1497735238;mod6;mircea_popescu: this is actually what a guy at auto store told me recently too; but other fellas have told me, "if you wanna be 100% sure you're not going to introduce any problems, just use what it says in the manual or on cap."
1671694;1497735257;mircea_popescu;well sure.
1671695;1497735268;mod6;you fixin up the bmw?
1671696;1497735278;mircea_popescu;ah, done already.
1671697;1497735284;mod6;ah cool :]
1671698;1497735298;mircea_popescu;new "cvasi-consumables"
1671699;1497735309;mircea_popescu;like you know, springs, brake pads, etc
1671700;1497735386;mod6;sure.
1671701;1497735414;*;mircea_popescu much rather buy used and then put these new at own shop than buy "certified" bla bla and have to put new ones anyway in coupla years
1671702;1497735468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the pets do own shocks, brakes, etc. work ??
1671703;1497735478;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1671704;1497735483;mircea_popescu;ah, no.
1671705;1497735490;asciilifeform;well you did say 'own shop' so i pictured.
1671706;1497735502;mircea_popescu;a, no, commercial item.
1671707;1497735505;asciilifeform;aah
1671708;1497735525;mircea_popescu;thing is, if chick's good at mechanics she should do it all day, and if not never.
1671709;1497736027;mircea_popescu;that's kinda my objection with the whole "in my kitchen" outlook. if your kitchen makes stuff that's any good it should be a factory, and if not it should forget about it and just be a kitchen
1671710;1497739779;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: problem with this pov is that certain classes of things ~only~ can ever happen in a serious-kitchen, and will never in factory.
1671711;1497739784;asciilifeform;of whatever description.
1671712;1497739815;mircea_popescu;hey, in theory no difference between sextoy's anterior and posterior openings. in practice she sometimes winces.
1671713;1497739826;asciilifeform;lol
1671714;1497739918;mircea_popescu;tho potty humour aside, i suspect the actual dispute is re the meaning of factory
1671715;1497741135;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm quite familiar with the original meaning of the word
1671716;1497741145;mircea_popescu;aha
1671717;1497741145;asciilifeform;and not fixated on, e.g., conveyor belt or whatnot trappings
1671718;1497741151;asciilifeform;the operative concept is 'for money'
1671719;1497741187;mircea_popescu;sure, originally. what i had in mind above is that your idea of "serious kitchen" is probably my idea of factory but without any capital goods management.
1671720;1497741201;mircea_popescu;if i buy coffee grindewr for kitchen, it is to work whenever the girls want coffee ground.
1671721;1497741222;mircea_popescu;but if i buy coffee grinder for factory, it is to work at all times, and girls will change their schedule to keep it going, not it to accomodate them.
1671722;1497741249;BingoBoingo; im not sure why they switched to the new coolant. they always just said, "lasts longer, etc." but i wonder if it was really due to the proliferation of aluminum blocks. << Dex-cool is silicate free so gentler on Aluminum. Also something something organic/inorganic dopants differing between verde and naranja
1671723;1497741262;mircea_popescu;which is why if my place costs 100 to rent and 80 to man, it will be open 24/7 and so it will cost 100 to rent and 240 to man.
1671724;1497741291;BingoBoingo; which brings the mixing : putting orange in green engine is bad. orange engine can run with green fine << Orange engine runs green fine, IF orange is drained out.
1671725;1497741315;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the thread with the gardener ?
1671726;1497741322;mircea_popescu;gthe one making tomatoes on windowsil ?
1671727;1497741332;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-30#1650052 << that one
1671728;1497741332;a111;Logged on 2017-04-30 13:58 asciilifeform: 'If I employ a gardener, I have to earn £3 for every £1 he can actually spend, because everything is taxed twice, first as my income, then as his.' << not only still true in today's reich, but today it'd be 10 : 1 .
1671729;1497741342;mircea_popescu;ah
1671730;1497741348;asciilifeform;not everybody has mircea_popescu's ultralowfriction pairs of auxiliary hands.
1671731;1497741361;asciilifeform;and so asciilifeform spent much of today cutting motherfucking grass.
1671732;1497741403;BingoBoingo;How "much of today"?
1671733;1497741407;asciilifeform;~all
1671734;1497741412;asciilifeform;and still not done
1671735;1497741427;mircea_popescu;funny, guy has been cutting my grass all day also.
1671736;1497741432;BingoBoingo;Come on it's a standardized 30-45 minute task or your lawnmower is the wrong size
1671737;1497741449;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's a whole day job. crazy angles en la loma.
1671738;1497741454;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not if you let it go for ~year
1671739;1497741460;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1671740;1497741461;asciilifeform;and 1,001 hills.
1671741;1497741491;mircea_popescu;indisciplined poolboy alf. lets go for year
1671742;1497741492;asciilifeform;the funny bit is that the needed commercial arrangement 'i call on a saturday and it happens THIS MOTHERFUCKING HOUR while i'm out to dinner' is not available where i live
1671743;1497741497;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: not if you let it go for ~year << That isn't mowing. That is harvesting hay. Hope the crop was dry.
1671744;1497741512;asciilifeform;the only offered variant is 'subscription and it happens during business hours when you, idiot, are sitting in the room an' trying to work'
1671745;1497741523;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform used to be local kids. but now local kids are too precious cuntlets to let out of deepfreeze
1671746;1497741561;asciilifeform;sorta goes back to mircea_popescu's 'who gets to bend around the schedule of what' item
1671747;1497741593;mircea_popescu;all my shit goes back to all my olther shit, it's crazy. i was just contemplating this earlier.
1671748;1497741642;BingoBoingo; the funny bit is that the needed commercial arrangement 'i call on a saturday and it happens THIS MOTHERFUCKING HOUR while i'm out to dinner' is not available where i live << The is lawnmowing service since the exit of children is priced based on amoritization of mowing equipment
1671749;1497741684;asciilifeform;aha, how else
1671750;1497741720;BingoBoingo;Certainly not on warm body cost.
1671751;1497741761;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the problem is excess of services amoratizing 10-50 kilodollar monsters and few amoratizing 21" machines
1671752;1497741809;asciilifeform;actually problem is the theme park of usa 'suburbia' demands this peculiar prop, 'mass of grass'
1671753;1497741831;asciilifeform;somehow it is not permitted to have houses reasonable distance apart from one another, without bunch of green liquishit in the middle
1671754;1497741837;BingoBoingo;Mass of grass is fine. Where else do you get hay from?
1671755;1497741855;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo knows very well that none of this 'hay' goes anywhere but city dump, at considerable expense
1671756;1497741869;BingoBoingo;And without grass roots how do you keep mud from washing away?
1671757;1497741876;asciilifeform;ferroconcrete.
1671758;1497741891;mircea_popescu;make a compost pile alf. srsly.
1671759;1497741906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually i have my cutter set to 'in-place'
1671760;1497741915;mircea_popescu;but compost pile is better.
1671761;1497741922;BingoBoingo;Spz you want to plant tomatoes? Now you need 2-cycle concrete saw and rotary hammer before you can even till!
1671762;1497741932;mircea_popescu;in place brings ants. in pile brings birds.
1671763;1497741938;mircea_popescu;what do you prefer, bird or ant ?
1671764;1497741976;asciilifeform;funnily enough it's already set to bird
1671765;1497741983;asciilifeform;( they are right here, as we speak, devouring )
1671766;1497742010;mircea_popescu;hm
1671767;1497742042;asciilifeform;back upstack -- i spend considerable time doing this and similar nonsense because : high-friction
1671768;1497742218;*;mircea_popescu did some grass cutting, enjoyed being out with the trees
1671769;1497742261;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu doesn't live in 'green hell' where ~100% humidity and 40c
1671770;1497742275;mircea_popescu;not accidentally, either!
1671771;1497742276;asciilifeform;and the mosquitoes, ground wasps, other lovelies
1671772;1497742312;mircea_popescu;but yes, upstack : the ability to say "here, do this. ok, you'll be doing this from now on until further orders" is invaluable.
1671773;1497742313;BingoBoingo;Maybe alf needs to mow with a more fun machine?
1671774;1497742327;mircea_popescu;contrary to what undersexed young men may think, the prime utility of the harem also.
1671775;1497742332;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'd luvv to mow with flamethrower. or disintegrator mean.
1671776;1497742341;asciilifeform;esp if the latter worked on city hall et al
1671777;1497742342;mircea_popescu;you can get laid at any bar. you can't ghet decent help anywhere
1671778;1497742348;asciilifeform;^^
1671779;1497742356;asciilifeform;*beam
1671780;1497742404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform has not read the story of hyenas and haggling i take it :D
1671781;1497742413;asciilifeform;did read, lol.
1671782;1497742423;mircea_popescu;was there, also man with flamethrower
1671783;1497742438;asciilifeform;naturam expellas furca (tm)(r)
1671784;1497742464;mircea_popescu;there's nothing natural abou city hall.
1671785;1497742468;asciilifeform;story gets even moar pathetic, the battery (i shit thee not) died in my 'furca' for 2nd time today
1671786;1497742474;asciilifeform;and takes 4x longer to charge than discharge..
1671787;1497742478;mircea_popescu;homosexuality is natural. city hall -- height of perversion.
1671788;1497742502;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mine were corded
1671789;1497742527;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these work great maybe in sane house where ground is straight and not 1,001 items for cord to catch
1671790;1497742550;mircea_popescu;aha. this is why i did it in timisoara, flatland, and not here.
1671791;1497742667;asciilifeform;the petrol-engined things, aside from vibration ( can't use my hands for day+ after ) and acrid smoke , also made of shit, i've thrown out 2 (after attempting various orc repairs, cleaned carb etc) in frustration
1671792;1497742735;asciilifeform;the humble grass cutter went the way of the pc -- you get to choose between affordable rubbish and 'must amortize and work this for pay' golden toilet
1671793;1497742746;mircea_popescu;try a scythe
1671794;1497742755;mircea_popescu;great for your back, and from experience as fast as the crapomachines
1671795;1497742763;asciilifeform;would , but won't satisfy city hall's 'max length'
1671796;1497742764;BingoBoingo;There's still reel mower as long as you can get traction on your turf
1671797;1497742772;mircea_popescu;huh ?!
1671798;1497742779;BingoBoingo;!~google reel mower
1671799;1497742780;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Amazon.com: Fiskars 18 Inch Staysharp Max Reel Mower : Patio ...: ; Reel Lawn Mowers - Lawn Mowers - Outdoor Power Equipment ...: ; Reel Mowers vs. Rotary Lawn Mowers - from People Powered ...: (1 more message)
1671800;1497742783;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i got one. problem is that it needs SCHEDULE
1671801;1497742785;asciilifeform;as in weekly
1671802;1497742790;asciilifeform;i ain't doing this weekly.
1671803;1497742793;asciilifeform;or biweekly.
1671804;1497742797;BingoBoingo;Well, glyphosate?
1671805;1497742831;BingoBoingo;Or better still Imazapyr
1671806;1497742833;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you can find me an agentorange where the bloody shit STAYS GREEN 4evah, i'll buy for its weight in silver.
1671807;1497742834;shinohai;Don't like to mow? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SJEUFF4/ref=asc_df_B00SJEUFF45034810/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B00SJEUFF4&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167146984279&hvpos=1o3&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5746195614524956660&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=21164&hvlocphy=9010851&hvtargid=pla-308200867139
1671808;1497742857;asciilifeform;not-having-grass is also banned around here
1671809;1497742866;BingoBoingo;!~google Ortho groundclear
1671810;1497742867;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Ortho GroundClear Vegetation Killer Concentrate-Ortho: ; Ortho GroundClear 1 Gal. Concentrate Vegetation Killer-0430510 ...: ; Ortho GroundClear 2 gal. Concentrate Vegetation Killer-0430610 ...: (1 more message)
1671811;1497742878;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's just a wide fenceline!
1671812;1497742891;asciilifeform;we actually had a d00d here who did this
1671813;1497742893;asciilifeform;didn't fly
1671814;1497742900;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sounds like the solution to your problem would be bonzai grass.
1671815;1497742911;asciilifeform;'neighbour's grass' is part of the mandatory fantasyland these folx live in
1671816;1497742922;BingoBoingo;!~google bella bluegrass
1671817;1497742923;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bluegrass Bella Grass Plugs| Bluegrass Bella Plugs for shade and ...: ; Bella Bluegrass - Todd Valley Farms: ; No Mow Bella Blue Grass | Bella blue grass - Roberta's Garden's:
1671818;1497742928;BingoBoingo;^ Dwarfism'd grass
1671819;1497742950;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: still not magic pill, the weeds happily grow in it, even taller than the grass per se
1671820;1497742977;asciilifeform;the only actual solution is to leave the accursed jail. but so far aint got to where.
1671821;1497742989;BingoBoingo;Weeds and grass will follow
1671822;1497743061;asciilifeform;funnily, i could easily afford, say, a gardener, but refuse to pay the equivalent of 8 gardeners so that obummercare and shameekas.
1671823;1497743073;asciilifeform;( and so 'gardeners' are not really a thing, here in monkeystan )
1671824;1497743653;mircea_popescu;maybe try clover ?
1671825;1497743666;mircea_popescu;nopt alfalfa tho, that grows tall
1671826;1497745296;BingoBoingo;clover's not so aggressive weeds can't grow through it and it is on the kill list of all the selective weed killers
1671827;1497745328;mircea_popescu;thaty's the idea, it shades well so it dominates if installed properly. and it never grows over coupla inches.
1671828;1497745332;mircea_popescu;pretty too
1671829;1497745906;BingoBoingo;It does do well for very dense patches, but hard to make a monoculture lawn out of it, because with the sligtest change in grade or soil, patch ends
1671830;1497745919;mircea_popescu;tru
1671831;1497745926;BingoBoingo;And you get weird DMZ border area until next patch
1671832;1497745949;mircea_popescu;i've seen full cover with it tho
1671833;1497745955;mircea_popescu;but prolly more of a northern clime thijng
1671834;1497746060;BingoBoingo;Likely, alf has a sorta hell climate
1671835;1497746428;mircea_popescu;and in other anatomical incorrectness, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ad672e5db403ab7045a6d4bf4a735115/tumblr_nsxmz3hphV1rutinco1_1280.jpg
1671836;1497746464;*;sina wav
1671837;1497746485;mircea_popescu;how was your curry ?
1671838;1497746497;sina;sushi? good
1671839;1497746519;sina;I looked again through asciilifeform bignum lib in Ada
1671840;1497746528;*;sina bows in respect
1671841;1497746672;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671691 << surely the commander will be defrocked for this, nobody watching the fucking blinking lights?
1671842;1497746672;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 21:33 shinohai: So apparently all one needs to destroy a US destroyer is container ship: http://archive.is/4GbGw
1671843;1497746687;sina;lax
1671844;1497746868;sina;https://archive.fo/Ys3sQ << spotted this morning
1671845;1497746988;sina;nothing further to report
1671846;1497747239;shinohai;heh
1671847;1497747659;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1671848;1497747667;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2613.5, vol: 11513.36568057 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2543.297, vol: 8133.18219 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2576.4, vol: 17285.33207052 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2752.501468, vol: 19276.20920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2623.494, vol: 5957.62161879 | Volume-weighted last average: 2638.05859056
1671849;1497748863;mircea_popescu; http://68.media.tumblr.com/5206256d6c64919120c23073fc5e0f73/tumblr_od05y7idhS1uf4nugo1_400.gif << speaking of ships
1671850;1497748987;shinohai;That cannon could prolly take a a littoral combat ship
1671851;1497749025;mircea_popescu;wisely spoken, because here's the torpedoes it shoots : http://68.media.tumblr.com/b990c1ef2101a1a8954a7067c1e8e97f/tumblr_od05y7idhS1uf4nugo2_400.gif
1671852;1497749048;shinohai;Ahoy!
1671853;1497749067;mircea_popescu;i think that's a vast.
1671854;1497749076;phf;jesus
1671855;1497749122;shinohai;If one day tmsr has a navy, must have slave-girls that shoot dildo torpedoes at enemies.
1671856;1497749140;mircea_popescu;barefoot on pykrete ?
1671857;1497749198;shinohai;If it improves morale (and distance)
1671858;1497749796;*;shinohai was trying to find the reference to project Habakkuk determining that a single horsepower motor could keep a vessel made of pykrete refrigerated .....
1671859;1497752087;sina;woah
1671860;1497752106;sina;what a first link to click after exiting the shower
1671861;1497752115;sina;I'm off gentlemen, have a fabulous week
1671862;1497752135;mircea_popescu;#trilemna gets people off
1671863;1497758753;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-takes-modest-4-85-percent-uptick-to-new-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Takes Modest ~4.85 Percent Uptick To New All Time High
1671864;1497797163;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in today's theme, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0c76d6bf31a35aa19f9a07ca5caf07c9/tumblr_inline_odvi73TNNK1u1xzy9_1280.jpg
1671865;1497797873;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Kjc0Q/?raw=true <<< My bun in teh oven
1671866;1497797873;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1671867;1497798189;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1671868;1497798247;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/today-is-the-first-anniversary-of-dao-emptying-ethereum-attack/ << Qntra - Today Is The First Anniversary of "DAO Emptying" Ethereum Attack
1671869;1497798260;*;shinohai is glad his internet service was restored in time to mark this occasion .....
1671870;1497798265;mircea_popescu;how teh ethereum flies...
1671871;1497798280;mircea_popescu;time flies like an arrow, but ether flies like fruit flies.
1671872;1497798370;BingoBoingo;TO THE BEETUS!
1671873;1497804280;phf;https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2017-the-ether-thief/
1671874;1497804375;mircea_popescu;at least it gives the prostitutes something to yak about other than "i has found satoshee"
1671875;1497805882;phf;https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2017/06/17/curl-doesnt-spew-binary-anymore/ it's for your own good
1671876;1497805905;mircea_popescu;binary could scare black chix coding into going back to twerking
1671877;1497806115;asciilifeform;curl http://idiocy.gov | /bin/bash still Worx Great!111 tho
1671878;1497806135;mircea_popescu;that's really the on;y thing you need it for anyway
1671879;1497808939;asciilifeform;!~later tell pete_dushenski didja ever get your FG going ??
1671880;1497808939;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1671881;1497812640;mircea_popescu;also http://68.media.tumblr.com/16556942b06ccf5916406798e73bf342/tumblr_ns11vzWGJn1u9ayhoo1_1280.jpg
1671882;1497812723;mod6;my eyes
1671883;1497812732;mircea_popescu;lol
1671884;1497812757;mod6;how goes Mr. P.?
1671885;1497812764;mircea_popescu;not bad, avtiually
1671886;1497812791;mod6;cool.
1671887;1497812954;mircea_popescu;howabout yerself
1671888;1497813900;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: not yet. pretty much struck out on heathen osen (osx and openbsd) and my linuxbox is mid-rebuild. replacing fans and having a hell of a time finding screws that fit the deeper "noctua" units. it's still on the list but not there yet.
1671889;1497813915;pete_dushenski;shinohai: thanks for testing!
1671890;1497814160;pete_dushenski;in other expanded vocabularies, https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.umd.edu/files/dea-drug-slang-code-words-may2017.pdf
1671891;1497814189;pete_dushenski;gotta get me summa dat booty juice
1671892;1497814454;pete_dushenski;"Any early bitcoin miner or investor now has thousands of bitcoins. Most are Chinese. Each 500 bitcoins is $1 million. These “bitcoin whales” are now very wealthy. They would like to reduce their exposure to bitcoin" << bwahaha this is what passes of "op-ed" in non-qntra circles.
1671893;1497814519;pete_dushenski;david siegel doesn't provide any reasons why wealthy people want to be poor like him and his readers because he doesn't need to. neither he nor his readers can imagine anyone that doesn't want to be on the forefront of the cryptocurrency revolution JUST LIKE THEM
1671894;1497814596;pete_dushenski;speaking of "alts" it somehow escaped my attention until yesterday (or perhaps this particular lulzbit went in one ear and out the other) but did you know that there's no cap on the maximum number of ether ?
1671895;1497814655;pete_dushenski;this is worse than doge!
1671896;1497814751;mod6;mircea_popescu: ahh good. just made myself a nice ham sandwich.
1671897;1497814762;*;mod6 loves sandwiches
1671898;1497814772;mircea_popescu;hehe i do too
1671899;1497814920;pete_dushenski;bogota != bogata https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCnAFZcVoAA5Wzd.jpg
1671900;1497815028;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski what's the poor schmuck goin to say, "dolalr is worthless and we're all fucked, all hail mp" ?
1671901;1497815036;mircea_popescu;he ain't gonna say that. true or not true, he's not saying it.
1671902;1497815093;mircea_popescu;there's two kinds of kids on any schoolyard : those who know you're better than them and admit it, and those who know you're better than them and will have to be beaten into shit because of it.
1671903;1497815233;pete_dushenski;the third kind is... the better kid.
1671904;1497815254;mircea_popescu;discussion was from the perspective of the best kid.
1671905;1497815295;mircea_popescu;and no, there isn't "always someone better". rather, there's always a best.
1671906;1497815411;pete_dushenski;to be sure. and the rest flows from there. like there's always a peak of a waterfall or the top of a mountain. nature paints certain portraits over and over.
1671907;1497815424;mircea_popescu;something like that
1671908;1497815450;mod6;pete_dushenski: saw your blog post about how you worked through getpeerinfo - very nice of you to say. :]
1671909;1497815499;pete_dushenski;that reminds me...
1671910;1497815503;pete_dushenski;!!rated mod6
1671911;1497815503;deedbot;pete_dushenski rated mod6 3 at 2015/12/31 17:23:00 << co-chair of trbf. gentleman.
1671912;1497815682;pete_dushenski;!!v 8E18F8A8A92C56898987AD5CA23097B968947FCADD8742BAF86C8955C122CDF8
1671913;1497815682;deedbot;pete_dushenski updated rating of mod6 from 3 to 4 << co-chair of trbf. gentleman and patient preceptor.
1671914;1497815735;mod6;Thank you, Sir.
1671915;1497815752;mod6;That reminds me too -- I need to go through and cleanout my wot one of these days.
1671916;1497815770;mod6;I'll try to get that done this week.
1671917;1497815793;pete_dushenski;mhm same here. ima do a few right now.
1671918;1497815798;pete_dushenski;!!v 5AFC115B1ECBBFC225FC533E0C930F22BD3101D18E3AC9E66E86CF8D33FB4B0A
1671919;1497815799;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated assbot.
1671920;1497815901;mircea_popescu;and in other heave ho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ea2cd2db7dabd83315e29dc91f699ed/tumblr_n076qcU9th1tnale6o1_400.gif
1671921;1497815975;pete_dushenski;!!unrate 9DC8B9DF2DC3B806D842E8F40DF41E9E4C18316396CCA000D1A8873BA917010A
1671922;1497815975;deedbot;9DC8B9DF2DC3B806D842E8F40DF41E9E4C18316396CCA000D1A8873BA917010A is not registered in WoT.
1671923;1497815976;shinohai;Gah I need to do wot updates too ... been wellover a year
1671924;1497815981;pete_dushenski;!!v 9DC8B9DF2DC3B806D842E8F40DF41E9E4C18316396CCA000D1A8873BA917010A
1671925;1497815981;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated kingking190.
1671926;1497816069;pete_dushenski;!!v 678AE4B25756AA9631C487961651F05A1DF248F298CFC54369DF32F1858A0BFD
1671927;1497816069;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated punkman.
1671928;1497816139;pete_dushenski;!!v 421F1F5279BF37390451C221080334B1718E536B88B600B56A33548664FEEE22
1671929;1497816140;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated thenewdeal.
1671930;1497816168;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1671920 << paging BingoBoingo!111!
1671931;1497816168;a111;Logged on 2017-06-18 19:58 mircea_popescu: and in other heave ho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ea2cd2db7dabd83315e29dc91f699ed/tumblr_n076qcU9th1tnale6o1_400.gif
1671932;1497816232;pete_dushenski;!!v 223525AAA2EBAB43902A75A9EB0422770BA94CFFF6E925BEA5D2FBCB0CBBFF0F
1671933;1497816232;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated mike_c.
1671934;1497816242;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1671888 << oughta ask phf, perhaps he has this pill ( iirc has both openbsd and crapple in active use )
1671935;1497816242;a111;Logged on 2017-06-18 19:25 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not yet. pretty much struck out on heathen osen (osx and openbsd) and my linuxbox is mid-rebuild. replacing fans and having a hell of a time finding screws that fit the deeper "noctua" units. it's still on the list but not there yet.
1671936;1497816283;pete_dushenski;worth a shot.
1671937;1497816304;asciilifeform;alsoo pete_dushenski you can use selftapping woodscrews
1671938;1497816346;pete_dushenski;!!v 65860A96E83EAC6E450413BC75BE41FDF771A9B77CDBEB64A8C6BC928B995008
1671939;1497816347;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated williamdunne.
1671940;1497816351;shinohai;http://ethosdistro.com/ <<< I did not know this monstrosity existed
1671941;1497816367;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: now there's an idea!
1671942;1497816421;asciilifeform;enlarge hole in chassis as needed
1671943;1497816422;pete_dushenski;!!v 5D485EEB624F2912DDC34157DE64CC5392A70FDDF2FBB30891DE01803C47CBDA
1671944;1497816423;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated fluffypony.
1671945;1497816486;pete_dushenski;!!v 98E04B9D0E92310A0342DB3E5697F4CA4C04C0608038ED99FB56640A57599CCC
1671946;1497816486;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated funkenstein_.
1671947;1497816555;pete_dushenski;!!v 1AA7E2493084C8FB44A77463BE4FA54BCED05C7CDA3D9698D796FD829563DF4D
1671948;1497816556;deedbot;pete_dushenski rated deedbot 10 << primer inter pares
1671949;1497816573;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1671900 << every time i see these, immediately think of those ww2 'surrender nao' leaflets
1671950;1497816573;a111;Logged on 2017-06-18 19:43 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what's the poor schmuck goin to say, "dolalr is worthless and we're all fucked, all hail mp" ?
1671951;1497816650;pete_dushenski;!!v 63B3155CD611A4F42C7CD2EA4330351F102EBE5DFBB73D5FA1FF2A4E1820CC55
1671952;1497816650;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated bitstein.
1671953;1497816713;pete_dushenski;!!v A2235D98480368A728712BB8ED998651116F8D556183FBC6CCCD64462FF516A6
1671954;1497816713;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated nanotube.
1671955;1497816943;pete_dushenski;!!v 99008777A88EAB3794F0927AEEF9641F30D3C128CE6E24BF6440993E68D2D23E
1671956;1497816943;deedbot;pete_dushenski rated Framedragger 2 << literate beyond his years but still a green shoot.
1671957;1497817123;mircea_popescu;i think a more apt misspelling would have been dlolar
1671958;1497817162;pete_dushenski;!!v 13EAFE262A55E60E4595D21522C895E088B9B4154B2481F9FB5D408C00071705
1671959;1497817162;deedbot;pete_dushenski updated rating of BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 << sober yarn-spinner and green thumb.
1671960;1497817295;pete_dushenski;!!v 63E8B34600E8E0BF1D5BD75E0C49643A11D16BD6C900CCBDAD3735A82B583459
1671961;1497817295;deedbot;pete_dushenski rated phf 2 << deliberate burner.
1671962;1497817359;pete_dushenski;that should do for now. log spam over for today.
1671963;1497817464;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the rancho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2491ae09fbc9361bd6075e778b5be581/tumblr_inline_odvi78kjch1u1xzy9_1280.jpg
1671964;1497817602;pete_dushenski;bbl. all these preggos are reminding me that it's father's day.
1671965;1497818020;asciilifeform;in other olds, ''Whilst making love a necklace broke. / A row of pearls mislaid. / One sixth fell to the floor. / One fifth upon the bed.'
1671966;1497818069;mircea_popescu;"and nineteen down her throat"
1671967;1497818072;asciilifeform;( from 'Lilavati', c. 1150 ad, Colebrook transl., )
1671968;1497818285;asciilifeform;( http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/Biographies/Bhaskara_II.html << subj, for the intrepid )
1671969;1497818939;asciilifeform;'Lilavati was the name of Bhaskaracharya's daughter. From casting her horoscope, he discovered that the auspicious time for her wedding would be a particular hour on a certain day. He placed a cup with a small hole at the bottom of the vessel filled with water, arranged so that the cup would sink at the beginning of the propitious hour.
1671970;1497818951;asciilifeform;When everything was ready and the cup was placed in the vessel, Lilavati suddenly out of curiosity bent over the vessel and a pearl from her dress fell into the cup and blocked the hole in it. The lucky hour passed without the cup sinking. Bhaskaracharya believed that the way to console his dejected daughter, who now would never get married, was to write her a manual of mathematics!'
1671971;1497819014;phf;neat
1671972;1497819486;mircea_popescu;the stories of people who cared too much.
1671973;1497819857;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, now that makes me curious just how much is too much and how much is perfectly fine and how much is too little
1671974;1497819868;diana_coman;might as well say people who cared.
1671975;1497819871;mircea_popescu;you only find out when you die.
1671976;1497819876;asciilifeform;esp in re monarch's marriageable children
1671977;1497819908;diana_coman;now if you care about that when you die that is indeed too much, lol
1671978;1497819941;diana_coman;leftover care - becomes active at last minute
1671979;1497819949;mircea_popescu;diana_coman when i was about three, they took me to a doctor. it was like a kinda mysterios affair, and it made no sense as i was not sick. the doctor asked me what do i do if i'm hungry ? and i told him i eat. he then asked me what do i do if i'm sleepy, and i said i go to bed. that was it, and everyone was impressed because apparently no fucking kids ever have any sense left.
1671980;1497819956;mircea_popescu;nor, for that matter, indians of a millenium ago.
1671981;1497819977;mircea_popescu;if you get aroused, fuck. what the fuck is a marriage to begin with, let alone "propitious hours" bullshit.
1671982;1497819991;mircea_popescu;you'll know after you're spent if it was going to be any good or not. never before.
1671983;1497820095;diana_coman;uhm, the doctor story is weird re impressed but maybe that was the point of the visit for all I know
1671984;1497820108;mircea_popescu;at the time they did this "normal development" visit with kids.
1671985;1497820125;mircea_popescu;from birth to about 2 or 3, something like that.
1671986;1497820129;asciilifeform;afaik the ancients actually bought the 'propitious time' thing. it was as real to them as 'launch at the right transit time of the orbits' is to modern rocketeer
1671987;1497820129;diana_coman;so if they were impressed it follows it wasn't normal? lolz
1671988;1497820140;mircea_popescu;yes, sanity is abnormal now.
1671989;1497820160;mircea_popescu;and since about the invention of writing, so every perverse tard can note down his insanity for later perverse tards to apply.
1671990;1497820166;mircea_popescu;mathematics manuals and whatnot.
1671991;1497820211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually $subj is pretty good manual. beat the living shit out of what europe had going at the time ( and until end of 16th c, in some aspects )
1671992;1497820224;mircea_popescu;but let the record reflect that it strikes me as the height of batshit insane psychosis to fail to fuck and then misappropriate mathematics into one's psychosis.
1671993;1497820224;diana_coman;I suspect every hole in knowledge (and not only that) might look like... insanity to those who ...simply have a better plug; not even a full plug, just better
1671994;1497820233;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i believe.
1671995;1497820242;asciilifeform;diana_coman: and to those who have ~worse~ plug also..
1671996;1497820247;mircea_popescu;aha!
1671997;1497820252;diana_coman;asciilifeform, indeed
1671998;1497820264;mircea_popescu;but seriously, wtf knowledge is it needed to stuff the plug into the prelubricated hole ?
1671999;1497820270;mircea_popescu;fucking puppies manage to figure it out eventually.
1672000;1497820308;asciilifeform;overabundance of options breeds divinations.
1672001;1497820316;asciilifeform;('how do i pick?!!!')
1672002;1497820325;mircea_popescu;should have written her a manual on buridan's ass.
1672003;1497820327;asciilifeform;and buridaning.
1672004;1497820335;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, this idea that go fuck woman of centuries ago and get yourself pregnant and oh, no worries,what
1672005;1497820336;asciilifeform;lol mircea_popescu beat me to it.
1672006;1497820351;mircea_popescu;could have simply consisted of "proasta pulii ce esti tu, mori de nefutai inecata in supa de pule."
1672007;1497820377;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i know of no culture outside of the chtonic-inspired anglos who deemed pregnancy as a negative.
1672008;1497820399;mircea_popescu;"you'll get pregnant, good for you, it means your innards work."
1672009;1497820414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect - unrelated. think, king has 1 daughter, 'fuck, how do i spend this one torpedo'
1672010;1497820443;diana_coman;ugh, in the right conditions though, not exactly in all cases
1672011;1497820454;diana_coman;honour deaths and all that are not anglo-thing
1672012;1497820465;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform moreover, i am not familiar with the story, nor with the culture, likely reading too much / wrong things into it.
1672013;1497820481;mircea_popescu;diana_coman indians tho, these aren't wanna-be anglo muslims.
1672014;1497820540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 1source of the story seems to be the farsi translator (16th c) of the text
1672015;1497820547;asciilifeform;who could have easily pulled it from own arse
1672016;1497820549;asciilifeform;so there's that.
1672017;1497820580;diana_coman;I kind of doubt the story is *true* as such, so there is that
1672018;1497820590;mircea_popescu;it's annoying to high heavens. it's one thing to show up at your wedding and go "what a great day for a wedding, let's have two!" and force your first maid into marriage with some randomlty chosen guy. it's the same thing to say "fuck this shit, i don't feel like getting married today, go home all of youze".
1672019;1497820606;mircea_popescu;it is ANOTHER thing to go on about how the cups told you what to do and the spirits and the moasa-sa pe gheata.
1672020;1497820628;diana_coman;I can't say I studied the time+culture of the guy to know, perhaps mircea_popescu knows better what he is talking about; it sounds really highly unlikely to me that it was the case that woman could just go and fuck, hurray, but whatevers
1672021;1497820634;mircea_popescu;and i dun care for the another thing at all.
1672022;1497820636;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yet stories of 'the cups told' abound
1672023;1497820643;asciilifeform;somehow it's an attractor.
1672024;1497820646;mircea_popescu;diana_coman who was gonna keep her ?
1672025;1497820674;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes because the human cattle aspires to one thing above all, and that is to be relieved of the downside of agency while getting to keep on the sly as much as possible of the upside.
1672026;1497820688;mircea_popescu;and this is also the root and beginning of all insanity.
1672027;1497820703;diana_coman;that's the thing: she had value, not to be wasted /given away to any bum who s/he fell like fucking on the day
1672028;1497820744;mircea_popescu;diana_coman so let her father bring men home rather than write inept shit (which nevertheless was better than whatever europe had, or kamchatka for that matter, peninsulae nobody heard of)
1672029;1497820803;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: alt-hypothesis -- princess ugly, 'cup system' -- rationalization of the 0 bidders...
1672030;1497820823;diana_coman;I really think you are reading too much into it; the way I see the thing it's basically a dedication; inept like all dedications if analysed but wtf is there to analyse in the first place
1672031;1497820835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they all grip the same from behind. ugly prevented no princess to date.
1672032;1497820848;mircea_popescu;diana_coman yeah prolly. i just don't like it.
1672033;1497820853;diana_coman;ahahah asciilifeform might have it; maybe not ugly but barren
1672034;1497820868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lesse what BingoBoingo says re whether ~all~ 'princesses' 'grip the same from behind'
1672035;1497820875;asciilifeform;'cause i can think of a few, linked, that might not..
1672036;1497820894;mircea_popescu;nah cuz the vessel comes with a seal (and yes, the inspiration for babylonian trade, the seals, and amphorae was DEFINITELY the cunt). you can claim it wasn't tried or that it didn't work, these aren't confoundable.
1672037;1497820929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they didn't have the tech to produce mcdonalds princesses in 1100 india.
1672038;1497820932;diana_coman;sure; just that you don't claim *in writing* that it didn't work, lel
1672039;1497820938;asciilifeform;'removal of seal voids warranty!'
1672040;1497820953;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they did have the pox tho
1672041;1497820975;mircea_popescu;diana_coman there is that i guesd
1672042;1497821036;diana_coman;at asciilifeform's link it even says it might have been his wife, not his daughter - so maybe it was more of a consolation/precisely the dedication thing I was saying earlier: too busy to fuck, I wrote this book
1672043;1497821050;mircea_popescu;he prolly said the same to the harem girls, also.
1672044;1497821067;diana_coman;sure, what of it; all of them were L-whatevers
1672045;1497821078;mircea_popescu;but, if the lived experience of ghandi is any guide, the classical indians did not very pointedly distinguish daughters from wives.
1672046;1497821079;asciilifeform;'lilavati' seems to translate simply as 'she-playful-one'
1672047;1497821082;asciilifeform;so fuck all knows.
1672048;1497821111;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have doubts that they ran a closed-arsemouth production cycle. it'd show today.
1672049;1497821147;mircea_popescu;doesn't it ?
1672050;1497821165;asciilifeform;nein
1672051;1497821168;mircea_popescu;how many intelligent indians do you know ? and how many bagawan what's his face, the inept chicago "professor"
1672052;1497821172;asciilifeform;the brahmins, by and large, have working heads.
1672053;1497821180;mircea_popescu;name one.
1672054;1497821186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your hindus are dalits
1672055;1497821195;mircea_popescu;name an intelligent indian omfg.
1672056;1497821206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bose
1672057;1497821221;asciilifeform;ramachandran
1672058;1497821225;asciilifeform;do i have to keep going ?
1672059;1497821226;mircea_popescu;the national front dood ?!
1672060;1497821228;asciilifeform;there's no shortage
1672061;1497821229;asciilifeform;nope
1672062;1497821240;asciilifeform;j.c bose
1672063;1497821257;asciilifeform;microwave transceivers in motherfucking 1880s
1672064;1497821269;asciilifeform;complete with waveguides
1672065;1497821270;mircea_popescu;aaa that bose.
1672066;1497821277;asciilifeform;yes what other bose, lel
1672067;1497821291;mircea_popescu;are bengalis indians ?
1672068;1497821304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there was some nazi ally dude tryting to outs the british cca 1940s
1672069;1497821317;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gandi?
1672070;1497821318;asciilifeform;lel
1672071;1497821330;mircea_popescu;nonono, subhas bose
1672072;1497821337;asciilifeform;aah yeah tru
1672073;1497821357;asciilifeform;there's even a bose in usa, possibly alive today, sold overprices stereos
1672074;1497821379;mircea_popescu;well in that sense there's also a mr haagen-dazs. hangs out with mr r mcd.
1672075;1497821389;asciilifeform;( among owners reputed to stand for Buy Other Stereo Equipment ! )
1672076;1497821511;*;asciilifeform worked with both kinds of india, for many many years. can distinguish 'brahmin or not' in ~3min of conversation
1672077;1497821546;asciilifeform;the folx asking on 'shit overflow' re 'how do i make for loop plz dear Sir help' are the... other kind
1672078;1497821560;mircea_popescu;my exposure has been minimal.
1672079;1497821635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most of the working-head hindus you might conceivably run into outside of india, were pushed out in 1970s-80s 'red' phase, when untouchables took over academia and had a sort of american-style 'diversity' shitfest
1672080;1497821666;asciilifeform;was not a massive wave of emigration, tho, not like j00z from su
1672081;1497821681;mircea_popescu;which has succeeded in one aspect : i see india, generally speaking, as a sort of latrine. probably because of these.
1672082;1497821712;asciilifeform;by and large, india today ain't exporting the j.c.bose's, no.
1672083;1497821716;mircea_popescu;but, honestly, there's older beefs. srsly, schmucks had steel in 900 and never made tanks ? why ?
1672084;1497821737;asciilifeform;same reason as china
1672085;1497821749;asciilifeform;turns out steel ain't enough, you also need to give half a shit
1672086;1497821766;mircea_popescu;yes, well, good thing they were writing complicated "thank you for your leadership" pieces of maculature!
1672087;1497821776;mircea_popescu;fucking us congress, going for 1500 years. blergh.
1672088;1497821778;asciilifeform;the 'technology' of the latter, is afaik still virginal subject ( unlike metallurgy )
1672089;1497821807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: china went for, what, 5k yrs, same
1672090;1497821839;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think the discussion has uncovered why exactly it is my bristles stand up. it'd be one thing if a sane place with a sane culture with respectable people churned out a "hey, chick didn't get married because the cups lolz" thing. THEN it would be funny.
1672091;1497821851;mircea_popescu;but when india's involved it's not funny just like tuberculosis cough's not funny.
1672092;1497821915;asciilifeform;hey, greeks also had oracles etc
1672093;1497821951;mircea_popescu;and with them it's almost tolerable.
1672094;1497821982;*;asciilifeform brb
1672095;1497824075;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-pulation-and-other-biodiversities/ << Trilema - The Pulation and other biodiversities.
1672096;1497828244;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform they didn't have the tech to produce mcdonalds princesses in 1100 india. << McDonalds or not, Beetus tends to run strong in Indian populations. Perhaps cow-ban is in response to earlier Mc-Hamplanet crisis on subcontinent?
1672097;1497828274;mircea_popescu;what's cow gonna do ? diabetes == vegetarian diet
1672098;1497828438;*;asciilifeform back from lugging 30kg of b000kz 4km in swampfuckistan heat, lol
1672099;1497828572;mircea_popescu;lol sold car got lawnmoer ?
1672100;1497828579;asciilifeform;lol
1672101;1497828633;asciilifeform;and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
1672102;1497828663;mircea_popescu;check it out, lowly labour is good for oyu
1672103;1497828669;asciilifeform;and then i look in shitpile of paperz and find that some d00d actually did this, called it 'subtractive karatsuba', used in some microcontroller,
1672104;1497828671;asciilifeform;but... get this :
1672105;1497828683;asciilifeform;STILL NOT IN CONSTANT TIME because apparently mother dropped him as a child
1672106;1497828722;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: getting up from the terminal on occasion is good for people, it is one of the reasons asciilifeform doesn't hurry to automate various chores
1672107;1497828741;mircea_popescu;aha
1672108;1497828881;BingoBoingo; what's cow gonna do ? diabetes == vegetarian diet << Cow competes for carbs, hard to do if burger
1672109;1497829030;mircea_popescu;the way to end up usflated is a) margerine (gunks up the fat cycle, body ends up dependent on citric cycle for energy) + processed starches (hfcs, potato, whatever)
1672110;1497829081;mircea_popescu;add various complex toxins in there for spice, and you got it.
1672111;1497829095;asciilifeform;don't forget not-walking
1672112;1497829105;asciilifeform;~nonnegotiable ingredient in 'ham planet'
1672113;1497829122;mircea_popescu;nah, actually, that gets taken care of "by itself"
1672114;1497829135;asciilifeform;waiwat
1672115;1497829146;mircea_popescu;eater of linoleum + soda water CAN'T walk, want to or no.
1672116;1497829178;mircea_popescu;his metabolism costs about 160% what it costs in normal people, and that's it.
1672117;1497829207;asciilifeform;there is something to this. asciilifeform usedto wurk with a buncha american d00dz, not all of whom even fatter than asciilifeform !, and they would not hear of the idea of ~walking~ to restaurant <1km from office
1672118;1497829223;mircea_popescu;there's no spare energy for such stuff.
1672119;1497829231;mircea_popescu;let alone any intensive bouts of thinking.
1672120;1497829309;*;asciilifeform is not a thin man; but can walk dawn - midnight noprob
1672121;1497829339;mircea_popescu;with books even!
1672122;1497829346;asciilifeform;books, toolz, etc
1672123;1497829373;asciilifeform;sometimes also perversities (e.g. today found very nice shop lamp , of a 1950s type i already have, and picked up... walked with that)
1672124;1497829386;asciilifeform;the kind that had the transformer in the base
1672125;1497831550;*;asciilifeform finally cut down the last motherfucking green hell
1672126;1497832160;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1672127;1497832167;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2536.22, vol: 9298.58367092 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2482.001, vol: 5980.55088 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2520.1, vol: 19721.37517408 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2769.525864, vol: 8377.74000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2538.494, vol: 7031.98497136 | Volume-weighted last average: 2562.57176279
1672128;1497846048;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/thriftycuts/
1672129;1497848423;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A42D585D4E69C2724B635FFC697C84D81F11623C3D5A8A770A429C135127DE12 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...7567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.253.101.164 (ssh-rsa key from 193.253.101.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (LReunion-656-1-16-164.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
1672130;1497848423;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A42D585D4E69C2724B635FFC697C84D81F11623C3D5A8A770A429C135127DE12 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1752...1279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.253.101.164 (ssh-rsa key from 193.253.101.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (LReunion-656-1-16-164.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
1672131;1497850102;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E747904CF05517E963D69C8198C6B734799A985645841277AA10A142DDE92D5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1617...7583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.52.109.8 (ssh-rsa key from 84.52.109.8 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (relay.tfl.spb.ru. RU SPE)
1672132;1497850102;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E747904CF05517E963D69C8198C6B734799A985645841277AA10A142DDE92D5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1761...9693 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.52.109.8 (ssh-rsa key from 84.52.109.8 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (relay.tfl.spb.ru. RU SPE)
1672133;1497858807;mircea_popescu;!!up DuaneBarry
1672134;1497858808;deedbot;DuaneBarry voiced for 30 minutes.
1672135;1497858920;DuaneBarry;thanks
1672136;1497858922;DuaneBarry;hello btw
1672137;1497858926;mircea_popescu;heya
1672138;1497882436;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1672101 << ah, interesting
1672139;1497882436;a111;Logged on 2017-06-18 23:30 asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
1672140;1497883010;mod6;mornin'
1672141;1497883056;mircea_popescu;heya!
1672142;1497883423;*;mod6 is drinking bad coffee.
1672143;1497883611;shinohai;Starbucks?
1672144;1497883615;shinohai;xD
1672145;1497883652;mod6;just some at-mines brew^H^H^H^Hgarbage
1672146;1497883668;*;mod6 choking it down
1672147;1497883899;shinohai;Looks like box running my trb node was a casualty of the storm ... fried nic despite my best efforts to revive.
1672148;1497883910;mod6;oh shite
1672149;1497883937;mod6;colo box? or was just at the spot?
1672150;1497883958;shinohai;Just at spot
1672151;1497883975;mod6;that bites, does it still boot?
1672152;1497884009;shinohai;HDD is ok, and pogo containing my backup chain survived so at least I don't have to start over *there*
1672153;1497884024;mod6;yah, good deal to have a backup!
1672154;1497884046;mod6;if there is room in the chassis, see if you can just stick in a PCI eth card?
1672155;1497884050;*;shinohai curses the surge protector that didn't do it's job
1672156;1497884109;mircea_popescu;shinohai crazy shit, it fried via the utp cable ?!
1672157;1497884196;shinohai;Yup ... blew up my whole cable modem, had to wait until Saturday for them to come replace.
1672158;1497884209;shinohai;Tree fell across power line AND cable as well
1672159;1497884252;mod6;and cable modem was plugged into defective surge protector?
1672160;1497884280;mod6;and/or router?
1672161;1497884340;shinohai;I had one of these: http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/271259-American-Power-Conversion-P11VNT3?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=googleps&st-t=googleshopping-accessories&vt-k=&vt-mt=&vt-pti=271259&gclid=CjwKEAjw7J3KBRCxv93Q3KSukXQSJADzFzVSROXPxzL4bKeiiY_PGHPZyPoqaTvvhA5rVq9J58JvhBoCcGXw_wcB
1672162;1497884344;*;mod6 looks
1672163;1497884353;shinohai;Everything in lab was plugged into it
1672164;1497884371;mod6;huh.
1672165;1497884379;mod6;i have similar ones.
1672166;1497884398;mod6;i did just have my trees cut back from the powerlines about a week ago.
1672167;1497884432;mod6;just in case. we've been getting some weather up here too.
1672168;1497884437;shinohai;If only I had waited to move back here one extra weekxD
1672169;1497884635;mircea_popescu;nasty.
1672170;1497884759;shinohai;I view it as another "what not to do" moment .... add research better surge protection to my todo list
1672171;1497886606;asciilifeform;shinohai: nothing beats doubleconverter ups
1672172;1497886668;asciilifeform;( esp. if you have petrol-powered secondary backup mains -- these tend to have noisy output )
1672173;1497886821;mircea_popescu;apparently this was power-through-utp-cable scenario
1672174;1497886830;shinohai;Yeah was just discussing ups with mod6. I haz generator for extended outages" but ups would be nice as well.
1672175;1497886842;asciilifeform;shinohai: you have utp direct from pole ?!
1672176;1497886846;mircea_popescu;there is no wayu you have a generator without an ups ?
1672177;1497886874;shinohai;I do.
1672178;1497886892;mircea_popescu;ugh. whatcha do, repurpose a construction crew genset ?
1672179;1497886944;mircea_popescu;thing has batteries, yes ? or batteries separate ?
1672180;1497886978;shinohai;Batteries separate .... yeah just an old construction style gen
1672181;1497886989;mircea_popescu;ah. yea must get a properly sized ups for it.
1672182;1497887025;mircea_popescu;talk to electrician tho, various gotchas.
1672183;1497887226;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170619/#34 << this reminds me -- current UK PM's response to "what's the naughtiest thing you've ever done" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9cdhaBfre0
1672184;1497887226;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-19: [15:03:55] nasty.
1672185;1497887304;asciilifeform;in other noose, 'впредь в районах выполнения боевых задач российской авиацией в небе над Сирией любые воздушные объекты международной коалиции к западу от реки Евфрат будут приниматься на сопровождение в качестве воздушных целей'
1672186;1497887375;asciilifeform;( 'from this moment on, in the sky of syria, ru aviation will treat any aircraft belonging to the west's international-coalition, such as are found west of euphrates, as aerial targets'
1672187;1497887376;asciilifeform;)
1672188;1497887383;shinohai;Also appears they shut down the communication line to coordinate airstrikes as well.
1672189;1497887386;mircea_popescu;aha. should be interesting.
1672190;1497887395;shinohai;(Dunno if thier gmail addy survived lol)
1672191;1497887405;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prediction is, 0% actual sorties and lots of blather from west from now on.
1672192;1497887434;mircea_popescu;when putting an embargo in, execution is more important than newspaperism.
1672193;1497887468;asciilifeform;wasn't half the point of the syria thing, from lizard pov, to test current ru equipment ..?
1672194;1497887481;mircea_popescu;there's no lizard point of any things.
1672195;1497887495;mircea_popescu;they just randomly yet boldly go wherever their speech impediments carry them
1672196;1497887585;mircea_popescu;(and then act surprised when you don't follow!)
1672197;1497887706;mircea_popescu;anyway. the (vehehehery unlikely) alternative is that the usoviets blather in a warlike direction and as a result the russians beat the chinese to the punch of "first usoviet aircraft carrier sunk".
1672198;1497887720;mircea_popescu;which from what i hear a LOT of generals in the ru army really wish to do.
1672199;1497888039;asciilifeform;incidentally 'будут приниматься на сопровождение в качестве воздушных целей' could read more accurately as 'will be tracked as aerial targets', which can mean anything from 'shoot on sight' to 'we'll make angry faces'
1672200;1497888202;mircea_popescu;teh situation is certainly escalating.
1672201;1497888277;asciilifeform;# of 'international komyoonity' planes shot down, to date there, afaik : 0
1672202;1497888293;asciilifeform;ru - at least half dozen
1672203;1497888296;mircea_popescu;to date ? wtf to date they just announced.
1672204;1497888299;asciilifeform;( this counting only the announced ones )
1672205;1497888322;mircea_popescu;orcs are slower on the uptake, because everyone alive in 2017 apparently reall;y believes all the shit mommy said while daddy was absent.
1672206;1497888340;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually if you recall, this is the 2nd such proclamation
1672207;1497888346;asciilifeform;( previous was in, iirc, march )
1672208;1497888377;mircea_popescu;something like that.\
1672209;1497888415;mircea_popescu;of course, it depends how you count these things. international pantsuit party lost a buncha "invisible" planes to ru trained specialists working ru gear in eg serbia.
1672210;1497888439;asciilifeform;meanwhile, among the ethermonkeys, 'they have messy code paths, don't follow best practices, and happen to work by the skin of their teeth. The code works on a good day with the wind on its back. But when it comes to corner cases, things get awfully complex. In the course I teach, when I point out such situations to students, they go into a diatribe that goes "well, you see, the problem can't arise because for it to happen, A has to
1672211;1497888440;asciilifeform;happen first, but A is guarded by B, and C ensures that B cannot happen." This is a temporal logic proof, over a certain code path. It's complex, fragile in the face of code evolution, and totally unacceptable in professional code development. We want flat, simple invariants, maintained by following best practices. Without regard for the correctness of the student's code, we grade such cases a 2 out of 10. They ought to know better,
1672212;1497888440;asciilifeform;and they're 20 year olds with two years of programming experience.'
1672213;1497888453;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/i5Bxl )
1672214;1497888544;shinohai;Ironic he writes this post as one of the biggest proponents of ETH out there
1672215;1497888570;asciilifeform;shinohai: see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669509
1672216;1497888570;a111;Logged on 2017-06-13 15:14 mircea_popescu: the hanno boecks always work in the same cycle. feeder phase where they "seem reasonable" and chumpatron phase where they shed the half-hour-horizon idiots who bought it.
1672217;1497888594;asciilifeform;evidently d00d is one of the chumps dismayed by the phase transition
1672218;1497888652;asciilifeform;'Bancor ended up reimplementing their own functions for arithmetic. That is, their own add, subtract, multiply, and exponentiation. ... The sum total number of dedicated tests for these math functions is 6. Multiplication is tested solely by multiplying 2957 by 1740.' << lulzy
1672219;1497888886;shinohai;Repeat of the DAO in 3...2..1 .......
1672220;1497888936;asciilifeform;shinohai: but it Unhappened!111 ergo dun count
1672221;1497889043;shinohai;"We are grateful to Vitalik Buterin for his insightful feedback on earlier drafts of this document." kek
1672222;1497889279;phf;"i know a good UDP joke, but i don't think you'll get it"
1672223;1497889281;*;phf chuckles
1672224;1497889288;asciilifeform;ahaha
1672225;1497889610;Framedragger;a good UDP joke
1672226;1497889613;Framedragger;i, too, know
1672227;1497889615;Framedragger;i, too, know
1672228;1497889678;asciilifeform;hey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP joke[barf]
1672229;1497889740;mircea_popescu;shinohai the problem with usoviet academiatards is that they "see the potential" in a very special definition of potential.
1672230;1497889757;phf;also new poc||gtfo is out, https://www.sultanik.com/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo15.pdf
1672231;1497889768;phf;(main mirror is being firehosed right now)
1672232;1497889827;mircea_popescu;i UDP joke also i UDP know joke also know.
1672233;1497889856;asciilifeform;phf: i'll admit that my favourite thing in these is.. the ads
1672234;1497889900;shinohai;Trump is supposed to make America great again ... deport the Asst. Prof. back to Turkey!
1672235;1497889930;mircea_popescu;what, and lose out on all that insightful bullshit ?
1672236;1497889996;phf;i agree, there's only so many "we reversed this obscure tamagochi device" or "we figured out how to put SWF into a JPEG" articles one can read. but i just read it for the presentation. used to be a lot more zines in the late 90s early 2000s, so i suspect the whole poc||gtfo is a "thirsty man in the desert" thing
1672237;1497890024;trinque;all this war cocktease.
1672238;1497890030;mircea_popescu;the "Death of the zine" generally is an interesting epiphenomen of the intellectual check-out the internet brought.
1672239;1497890031;asciilifeform;phf: also at a certain point 'they don't know about tmsr' evaporates and turns into 'they studiously ignore, like bernstein'
1672240;1497890037;mircea_popescu;very neatly follows the 1980s / 1990s transition
1672241;1497890040;trinque;what, everyone's going to go punch syria harder, and from a slightly different angle?
1672242;1497890078;mircea_popescu;trinque syria is little more than a firing range. used to be a country, but... went the way of the united states.
1672243;1497890194;trinque;evokes a teenager taking passive aggression out on a wall.
1672244;1497890235;mircea_popescu;hey, there's lotsa little ugly misshod misborn lincolns out there. and what they do is wreck countries, to assuage the overpowering intuition of their own inadequate insufficiency.
1672245;1497890265;mircea_popescu;"maybe if i fuck up the republic / burn the temple, people will remember me for that rather than for being so ugly monkeys averted their eyes / having a really ridiculously small penis."
1672246;1497890287;mircea_popescu;of course they won't, but reality is not part of the lincoln thought process. as alf says, studiously not.
1672247;1497890364;asciilifeform;the other bit is that 'i'll die a hunchback, but hey i have a shovel and can enhunchback my neighbour, he will share in the misery' is a 'logical' process. the spartans, i suspect, understood this, i.e. it is catastrophically stupid to 'live and let live' the deformed. esp. the mentally deformed.
1672248;1497890407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as discussed, 100% of the whole "let live" ie, keep all the 8 males around is simply socialism support pillar. to have equality, gotta fetter manhood.
1672249;1497890442;asciilifeform;( see also mircea_popescu's '...bullying is done by normal, sane and upstanding humans who are trying to do their part so we don't live among monsters' -- http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes )
1672250;1497890455;mircea_popescu;aha!
1672251;1497890487;mircea_popescu;seriously now, see a loser, mock a loser. preferably to death, but if not to tears.
1672252;1497890498;mircea_popescu;it's the only decent thing to do, and moreover an absolute moral obligation.
1672253;1497890546;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the social media "red pill" is all about, and was born out of, purely ustardian "YOU TOO!!! could bla bla WITH THESE SECRETS I FOUND"
1672254;1497890556;mircea_popescu;ie, reddit red is distinctly blue in color.
1672255;1497891062;asciilifeform;'take this magic pill' -- sells. 'go eat nagant, you were a mistake of nature' -- doesn't
1672256;1497891165;mircea_popescu;should.
1672257;1497891188;asciilifeform;well it doesn't. just like my garbage bags won't walk to the dump by themselves, even if asked politely.
1672258;1497891328;mircea_popescu;hey, history contains 0 animated garbage bag and thousands of "i attained self-awareness, discovered i was bug, nagant'd."
1672259;1497891342;asciilifeform;thousands, note. not billions.
1672260;1497891362;mircea_popescu;yeah. then again history does not record all.
1672261;1497891789;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672255 << apparently saying the latter is now a criminal offense worthy of 20 years' time, in greatest country in the world.
1672262;1497891789;a111;Logged on 2017-06-19 16:51 asciilifeform: 'take this magic pill' -- sells. 'go eat nagant, you were a mistake of nature' -- doesn't
1672263;1497891839;asciilifeform;the 'bullying' trials aha
1672264;1497891924;hanbot;http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/16/us/michelle-carter-texting-case/index.html yeh.
1672265;1497891953;hanbot;"bullying", "psychotherapy", w/e
1672266;1497892013;mircea_popescu;ahahaah check that retarded shit out, jury actually came out with a guilty verdict. because "it's terribly terribly bad some loser bit it" and that's good enough a rationale.
1672267;1497892026;mircea_popescu;if anyone knows greater travesti than us trials by now, i'd like to hear wtf it is
1672268;1497892039;hanbot;mircea_popescu: no jury. they went with single judicial decision.
1672269;1497892052;mircea_popescu;o.O
1672270;1497892067;asciilifeform;lemme guess, 'public defender' recommended
1672271;1497892077;hanbot;the rationale of which iirc was supposed to be that a judge would be less affected by her "bad attitude" in the texts or somesuch.
1672272;1497892082;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform either that or "mandatory minimum".
1672273;1497892093;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, you still get jury if you demand one
1672274;1497892095;mircea_popescu;hanbot traditionally why that's done, eg in japan.
1672275;1497892104;mircea_popescu;requires, however, actual judges, as in, white men, not obamas.
1672276;1497892109;asciilifeform;( unless you're a 'sonderbehandlung' case, e.g. in gitmo )
1672277;1497892120;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unless the unless, you get, sure.
1672278;1497892134;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't do anything, then you get.
1672279;1497892159;hanbot;you get got, maybe.
1672280;1497892175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elementarily, 'unless' - e.g. d00d shot by cops in his own house (plenty of these every week, and the white-skinned ones ~nobody documents in usa) gets neither judge nor jury, etc
1672281;1497892238;mircea_popescu;yet in the country where the idiots think "discussing your salary is a social faux pas", the social stigma still attaches to "accused of" rather than to "law" enforcement.
1672282;1497892345;asciilifeform;'"It got to the point that he was apologizing to her, ... apologizing to her for not being dead yet,"' << lel
1672283;1497892369;mircea_popescu;kinda how biofilth stories go.
1672284;1497892452;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672280 << and yet you still opt to live there!
1672285;1497892452;a111;Logged on 2017-06-19 17:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementarily, 'unless' - e.g. d00d shot by cops in his own house (plenty of these every week, and the white-skinned ones ~nobody documents in usa) gets neither judge nor jury, etc
1672286;1497892455;hanbot;mircea_popescu if stigma successfully attached to law enforcement people'd have to stop mindlessly doing what they say, which might require thought, or worse yet, initiative, and meh pass the doritos.
1672287;1497892467;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1672288;1497892492;mircea_popescu;amusingly, black communities are the forward thinkers on this score.
1672289;1497892524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a pretty long list of things that being shot by police - beats
1672290;1497892543;mircea_popescu;the whole "stigmatize criminal gang pretending to enforce law" is a true conceptual revolution, much more so than piddly efforts such as "destigmatize faggotry"
1672291;1497892547;mircea_popescu;an' they're leading it.
1672292;1497892573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda how the shit works, huh.
1672293;1497892576;mircea_popescu;pass teh doritos!
1672294;1497892739;asciilifeform;in other amerilulz from same rag, https://archive.is/Bxot3 >> 'In a report published Sunday, Pyongyang's state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) accused US Department of Homeland Security officers and airport police of taking a diplomatic package away from the delegation, which it said carried a valid diplomatic courier certificate. KCNA called the incident "an illegal and heinous act of provocation," adding that US authorities b
1672295;1497892739;asciilifeform;ehaved like "gangsters."'
1672296;1497892758;mircea_popescu;heh
1672297;1497892769;hanbot;mircea_popescu i wonder what proportion of nonblacks' failure in that regard owes to not having been picked on "enough", vs what "communities"
1672298;1497892783;mircea_popescu;i expect it's entirely because never been touched.
1672299;1497892828;asciilifeform;from also same rag, moar gold, 'A Pennsylvania man was convicted Tuesday of sexually assaulting six young sisters married off by their parents in return for financial support.... The verdict came almost a year after police said they found Kaplan living with 12 females at his Feasterville home, including an 18-year-old who prosecutors said was "gifted" to him after he provided financial support for her parents.' ( https://archive.is/x
1672300;1497892828;asciilifeform;mKrh ) didjaknow !!
1672301;1497892830;mircea_popescu;people love to think their dumb shit is their own, yet a kid who's never been touched will "by itself" behave exactly the same way as an adult all the time no exceptions.
1672302;1497892864;asciilifeform;childrenz belong to the great inca, didjaknow, how dare d00d sell'em, etc
1672303;1497892865;hanbot;asciilifeform that town's name is...unfortunate
1672304;1497892890;mircea_popescu;check it out, dood had harem in the us!
1672305;1497892897;asciilifeform;emphasis on past tense
1672306;1497892917;asciilifeform;'недобитый kulak dekulakized!' newz at 11
1672307;1497892947;mircea_popescu;and the crime was, "having it way better than the judge / lawyers involved" ?
1672308;1497892954;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1672309;1497892973;asciilifeform;( what is every 'statutory rape' prosecution even about, to begin with, do you think. )
1672310;1497892988;mircea_popescu;"i wish i was fucking 16yos" ?
1672311;1497893001;asciilifeform;what else.
1672312;1497893013;mircea_popescu;i dunno. who actually wants to fuck 16yos.
1672313;1497893021;trinque;protestants
1672314;1497893030;shinohai;hue
1672315;1497893031;mircea_popescu;and i suppose 15yo boys
1672316;1497893044;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-23#1107897 << see also
1672317;1497893044;a111;Logged on 2015-04-23 12:23 ascii_panama: some nonzero portion of socialistoidderp is 'revenge' of low-smv folks against the high. dan mocsny observed this and it is a hypothesis with some explanatory power.
1672318;1497893099;*;mircea_popescu skipped the whole fucking 16yos thing almost entirely. went from not giving shit about girls at 12 to doing 20somethings by 16.
1672319;1497893104;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm a monster!
1672320;1497893127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, the gurlz are typically fully-hatched zombies by 25
1672321;1497893139;asciilifeform;hence the popularity of '16'
1672322;1497893140;mircea_popescu;ah that huh.
1672323;1497893169;mircea_popescu;cluj is a city on the hill, going to colege there implies (or did at the time) 2 miles / day walked uphill... ah what times.
1672324;1497894315;shinohai;In unsecured Amazon server fails: http://archive.is/nKDQr
1672325;1497894499;ben_vulpes;b-b-but govcloud!
1672326;1497894511;mircea_popescu;dont worry, it didn't really happen
1672327;1497894587;asciilifeform;nao if only shit somebody actually wanted, were to leak...
1672328;1497894607;mircea_popescu;only shit that exists can leak!
1672329;1497894710;asciilifeform;let's say, e.g., the privkeys of 'keybase' idiots
1672330;1497894715;asciilifeform;or other goxers
1672331;1497894728;asciilifeform;just to be narrowly specific to 'certainly exists, not yet leaked to public'
1672332;1497894853;Framedragger;https://www.qualys.com/2017/06/19/stack-clash/stack-clash.txt
1672333;1497894920;asciilifeform;Run Moar CMachine!11
1672334;1497895389;ben_vulpes;in other "faces of meth": http://pamplinmedia.com/cr/24-news/363414-243949-ccso-woman-kidnapped-held-in-rv-for-12-hours-in-oak-grove
1672335;1497895663;phf;https://parity.io/parity.html i'm not sure what this is even supposed to be, but my dosimeter went off scale.
1672336;1497895683;shinohai;"On Fedora and CentOS, this ld.so "hwcap" exploit fails against
1672337;1497895685;shinohai; /usr/bin/passwd and /usr/bin/chage (but it works against all other
1672338;1497895687;shinohai; SUID-root binaries) because of SELinux"
1672339;1497895695;shinohai;yup
1672340;1497900296;asciilifeform;in other lulz, orlol is selling his tub : http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/06/prince-kropotkin-is-for-sale.html
1672341;1497900381;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/P7Xx3 << for approx 1 toyota's worth
1672342;1497900901;mircea_popescu;it's vaguely annoying any rando can name his tub "prince kropotkin"
1672343;1497901011;asciilifeform;can also name, whatever, 'center of universe'
1672344;1497901020;mircea_popescu;this is also vaguely annoying.
1672345;1497901039;asciilifeform;i saw a tub of similar size, in the port, named 'ctrl-alt-del'
1672346;1497901056;mircea_popescu;lol nb
1672347;1497901086;asciilifeform;lol, engine under kitchen sink
1672348;1497901109;mircea_popescu;doubles as either garbage propeller or garbage disposer ?
1672349;1497901148;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/wIPJL )
1672350;1497901228;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought his current thing were bigger..
1672351;1497903004;mircea_popescu;phf your bouncer did some weird earlier.
1672352;1497903054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do all small boats have that weird triangular bed thing ??
1672353;1497903063;mircea_popescu;prolly
1672354;1497903081;mircea_popescu;riverboats don't, though
1672355;1497903125;phf;mircea_popescu: so the server i was connected to rebooted (or something like that), and then i was sitting on reconnect for a bit, until i explicitly changed it to a different server. what was it doing?
1672356;1497903137;mircea_popescu;spit out ips 3x
1672357;1497903252;phf;and so castles made of sand, melts into the sea eventually
1672358;1497903271;mircea_popescu;just said in case you didn't know / cared.
1672359;1497903327;*;phf nods
1672360;1497903514;shinohai;Another storm headed my way folx, so if I vanish for another 48 hrs, thanks comcast!
1672361;1497903526;mircea_popescu;gl eh
1672362;1497903538;shinohai;Thanx! :D
1672363;1497903560;*;shinohai actually likes storms, besides the circuitry frying parts ,,,,
1672364;1497903974;mod6;yeah, gl
1672365;1497906989;asciilifeform;storm here also lol
1672366;1497907032;asciilifeform;( these affect everything ~but~ the comps , which are on isolated mains )
1672367;1497907126;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672334 << when asciilifeform thinks 'flyover usa' he thinks specifically of these 'beauties'
1672368;1497907126;a111;Logged on 2017-06-19 18:03 ben_vulpes: in other "faces of meth": http://pamplinmedia.com/cr/24-news/363414-243949-ccso-woman-kidnapped-held-in-rv-for-12-hours-in-oak-grove
1672369;1497917505;mircea_popescu;lol is it bot tapping season ?
1672370;1497917515;asciilifeform;loox like!!
1672371;1497917732;mircea_popescu;de pipes are broken
1672372;1497919454;shinohai;!~weather
1672373;1497919454;jhvh1;stormy with a chance of packeting
1672374;1497919476;shinohai;Appears deedbot left! O.o
1672375;1497919583;phf;!#vulpes
1672376;1497919583;a111;DRINKING WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE TOILET
1672377;1497919707;asciilifeform;toilet water flowing through the drinklet
1672378;1497921477;trinque;ty to ben_vulpes and mod6 for pinging me about deedbot
1672379;1497921490;trinque;looks like freenode isn't having a great day
1672380;1497921577;shinohai;Gentleman, meet a real-life Sam: http://archive.is/F6OzP
1672381;1497921916;mod6;thanks trinque
1672382;1497926111;mod6;evenin'
1672383;1497932273;mod6;wb
1672384;1497932279;mircea_popescu;:)
1672385;1497937216;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B5B77FD7E335875B265600B307D7DC3C92D7D73C043F86719F899A9CD943323 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1647...8617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.9.0 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.9.0 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-9-0.ghst.net. FR)
1672386;1497937216;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B5B77FD7E335875B265600B307D7DC3C92D7D73C043F86719F899A9CD943323 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1736...3599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.9.0 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.9.0 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-9-0.ghst.net. FR)
1672387;1497940044;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1672388;1497940841;mircea_popescu;no marketall for you! come back - one year!
1672389;1497941188;BingoBoingo;Awe, I guess the dollarshaming will have to wait
1672390;1497941477;mircea_popescu;:p
1672391;1497941611;BingoBoingo;It's actually a rather popular subscription service among oldsters who think they are millenials, "dollar shame club". Even has radio advertising jingles.
1672392;1497941750;mircea_popescu;cuz they can't afford the "pro dommes"
1672393;1497942148;BingoBoingo;Aha, easier to pretend they didn't want the dollars they don't have in the first place
1672394;1497946116;jurov;https://i.nahraj.to/f/1Kyp.gif unrelated
1672395;1497958188;*;shinohai is impressed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672394
1672396;1497958188;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 08:08 jurov: https://i.nahraj.to/f/1Kyp.gif unrelated
1672397;1497959745;erlehmann;so i wrote software for sluts http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/epigraph-sh.html
1672398;1497959789;erlehmann;i suspect this method of taint analysis can be useful for more than just the question “who is at risk when a condom broke?”
1672399;1497959832;erlehmann;also it does not include test results in the epigraph tree-builder
1672400;1497966005;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B573F584F8FD284E16465CA83F08D274E8EEB1B7743BFB659587F3ACBE46415 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1603...9679 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '63.97.43.239 (ssh-rsa key from 63.97.43.239 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (63-97-43-239-ama.pathwayz.com. US TX)
1672401;1497966005;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B573F584F8FD284E16465CA83F08D274E8EEB1B7743BFB659587F3ACBE46415 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1448...8323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '63.97.43.239 (ssh-rsa key from 63.97.43.239 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (63-97-43-239-ama.pathwayz.com. US TX)
1672402;1497966257;asciilifeform;lol, 'OFFERING BUSINESS INTERNET AND PHONE SOLUTIONS
1672403;1497966257;asciilifeform;ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS AND BEYOND'
1672404;1497968829;shinohai;!!up sn0wmonster
1672405;1497968829;deedbot;sn0wmonster voiced for 30 minutes.
1672406;1497968840;sn0wmonster;here for the deedbot
1672407;1497968849;sn0wmonster;have a general question really
1672408;1497968870;sn0wmonster;in what ways (please name as many as possible) is deedbot patently different than #bitcoin-otc's gribble in terms of GPG/user ratings?
1672409;1497968886;mircea_popescu;sn0wmonster gribble ratings are unauthenticated.
1672410;1497968899;sn0wmonster;that is a problem
1672411;1497968908;sn0wmonster;i've been trying to find the perfect WoT system to include into #Taskhive for a while now and i was under the impression that#bitcoin-otc simply decentralized would suffice,
1672412;1497968917;mircea_popescu;nanotube was going to fix it cca 2015. didn't happen then or hence.
1672413;1497968918;sn0wmonster;but i had planned on having each rating also be signed
1672414;1497968920;sn0wmonster;is that the only difference?
1672415;1497968937;sn0wmonster;well, major difference anyway?
1672416;1497968939;mircea_popescu;that is a sufficient difference.
1672417;1497968943;sn0wmonster;agreed
1672418;1497968976;sn0wmonster;i was hoping to hear that it was decentralized, as in, nodes connect together to disperse and allow submissions to the reputation database without needing IRC or the website
1672419;1497968990;mircea_popescu;not really the tmsr way.
1672420;1497968992;sn0wmonster;because that would have saved us the time of reinventing the wheel
1672421;1497969001;sn0wmonster;no worries
1672422;1497969004;sn0wmonster;thank you kindly!
1672423;1497969110;shinohai;trb node should be back up soon, motherboard still boots up, replaced nic with external model.
1672424;1497969120;shinohai;Now to locate superior ups
1672425;1497969138;mircea_popescu;nb.
1672426;1497969184;shinohai;How goes this morning Sr. Popescu?
1672427;1497969199;mircea_popescu;eh, been better.
1672428;1497969209;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'liebert' makes ok upsen
1672429;1497969247;*;shinohai looks ....
1672430;1497969253;shinohai;thx asciilifeform !
1672431;1497969335;asciilifeform;np shinohai
1672432;1497969362;asciilifeform;shinohai: if you get one with a nic, make sure to segment it away from anything interesting
1672433;1497969404;asciilifeform;( alternatively -- yank the nic and put in the serial port card, they're a few bux secondhand )
1672434;1497969430;mircea_popescu;sn0wmonster supposing you're actually serious about not reinventing the wheel (which at this point i very much doubt), the correct approach is to first establish ~yourself~, and then have your own castle like so many others before you.
1672435;1497969459;mircea_popescu;it is NOT, very specifically and poinedly not, coming up with a "catchy" socialistard name and then trying to build "ideas" around it.
1672436;1497969693;mod6;<+shinohai> trb node should be back up soon, motherboard still boots up, replaced nic with external model. << good deal :]
1672437;1497969701;sn0wmonster;mircea_popescu, are there any decentralized web-of-trusts that allow GPG authenticated ratings and comments to be left for GPG authenticated users without needing to connect to IRC or a centralized website to interact with it?
1672438;1497969714;mircea_popescu;no. and there is a reason for that.
1672439;1497969721;sn0wmonster;if not, i don't see how i'm reinventing the wheel by building that part of it.
1672440;1497969734;sn0wmonster;i'm here to learn, could you share the reason for that?
1672441;1497969764;mircea_popescu;this is exactly what d-k is all about. think for a second : years ago when i specced this, i could just as well ahve specced it that way. what, you think the-people-who-matter need you to come by ten years late and show them the wheel ?
1672442;1497969764;shinohai;Cheers mod6, and thanks for advice yesterday .... seemed most straightforward route since box still booted.
1672443;1497969768;mircea_popescu;your wheel ain't a wheel.
1672444;1497969802;mircea_popescu;sn0wmonster you're not here to learn. you're here to try and bludgeon the world into a shape your head may fit. this is the opposite of learning. learning is when you change.
1672445;1497969814;sn0wmonster;you'll have to do a bit better than narcissistic ravings
1672446;1497969821;mircea_popescu;right.
1672447;1497969824;sn0wmonster;is there a technical reason why it hasn't been built yet?
1672448;1497969861;mircea_popescu;you actually believe i needed you to mosy along and say the magic words "decendralized feteraded buzz buzz buzz". you actually believe this. how ?
1672449;1497969890;sn0wmonster;i like how you made this about you.
1672450;1497969891;mircea_popescu;yes, there's an actrual technical reason. no, it can't be explained to you. because you lack priors.
1672451;1497969904;sn0wmonster;do you always do this?
1672452;1497969911;asciilifeform;theoretically, if d00d has a brain, it could be explained to'im
1672453;1497969935;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the difference between brains and practices is that in theory there are no brains.
1672454;1497969939;mircea_popescu;but in practice, there are.
1672455;1497969984;asciilifeform;sn0wmonster: trinque's wotron ( which is in use here ) gives you a complete copy of the wot on demand. how would you make this 'more decentralized' ?
1672456;1497969988;mircea_popescu;sn0wmonster the moment you stumble into a technical discussion with "proposals" on the level of "hey guise i just heard about this cryptormation superhighway, here's how to fix it", YOU made the discussion about you.
1672457;1497970021;sn0wmonster;another narcissistic trait, assuming things.
1672458;1497970046;sn0wmonster;no one 'stumbled', i was invited here with the false idea that the WoT here was any different than the one i've already used for 7 years.
1672459;1497970046;mircea_popescu;and the sad thing is, the more time flies, the more the fruit flies will be flying in.
1672460;1497970051;shinohai;Relevant: https://www.writeraccess.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/scarecrow-brain.jpg
1672461;1497970071;mircea_popescu;sn0wmonster what is the difference between "stumbled" and "invited here with the false idea that the WoT here was any different than the one i've already used for 7 years" iyo ?
1672462;1497970074;sn0wmonster;now that i know it's not but for a single technical difference that i was already planning on fixing before coming here, i'm left with only your narcissistic rants and runarounds.
1672463;1497970078;sn0wmonster;good luck!
1672464;1497970139;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what irritates the fucktard is that somehow, agaionst all pantsuit effort and promise, somehow in this world there still are men!
1672465;1497970148;mircea_popescu;and he has had the bright idea to... fix, geddit.
1672466;1497970181;mircea_popescu;"tasklead" for "shithive" and whatnot. such a wunderbarl world little girls have tea with sam in!
1672467;1497970212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on other hand, the fact that a wot is a local object ( and doesn't 'decentralize' ) is not necessarily obvious, even to thinking folx
1672468;1497970224;asciilifeform;it was not immediately obvious to asciilifeform , for instance, at one time
1672469;1497970261;asciilifeform;and wtf is taskwhatever
1672470;1497970287;mircea_popescu;yet the difference between us, whereby when he asks for a difference i provide the difference, but when i ask for a difference he has nothing to show, is entirely lost on him. and this DOESNT suggest to him that perhaps he's not yet up to the task of comprehending such intricacies as might not be obvious even to thinking folks.
1672471;1497970300;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform * sn0wmonster (~yeti@taskhive/lead/sn0wmonster) has left #trilema ("Leaving") <
1672472;1497970305;shinohai;Appears to be android app to "decentralize" Mechanical Turk
1672473;1497970310;asciilifeform;lol!!
1672474;1497970314;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1672475;1497970319;mircea_popescu;could prolly buy russia.
1672476;1497970322;asciilifeform;does it pay out in etherdaotronium
1672477;1497970324;asciilifeform;or wat
1672478;1497970334;mircea_popescu;at worst "it is an option".
1672479;1497970342;mircea_popescu;i'm so sick of ustards by now it's palpable.
1672480;1497970369;mircea_popescu;ima go to the doctor and he's going to feel my abdomen and then say "hmm... i can feel a petrified being sick of ustards right here next to the spleen"
1672481;1497970404;shinohai;https://github.com/harryio/TaskHive
1672482;1497972470;BingoBoingo; ima go to the doctor and he's going to feel my abdomen and then say "hmm... i can feel a petrified being sick of ustards right here next to the spleen" << Still less of a disease state than being a USTard. At least you KNOW when you are sick, even if it is bubbles.
1672483;1497972480;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1672484;1497972622;BingoBoingo;I mean decentralized gribdeedbot to handle ratings on decentralized mecanical turk all to be held together by what? Hard forks?
1672485;1497972622;mircea_popescu;to be honest, back when the fucktards were like "o hi guise, i am 12 and expert, never heard of wot but i made this keybase", i was all pissy because of the whole "i have never heard". now that they do the "oh i know tmsr is my true and proper sovereign, but might i not talk my way out of it ? i'm really clever like, plus i use words i can't define borrowed from an old copy of wikimedica" i'm pissy because of the whole clever
1672486;1497972623;mircea_popescu; like borrowed words bs.
1672487;1497972638;mircea_popescu;logically it follows, i'm just a curmudgeon and gtfo my lawn.
1672488;1497972657;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the hard fork school of soft knocks to the colon.
1672489;1497972698;asciilifeform;speaking of these, asciilifeform can hardly wait for the 'dontchaknow you Don'tImplementYourOwnCrypto!!1111' 'luminaries'
1672490;1497972703;BingoBoingo;At least you aren't an alf getting out of own lawn
1672491;1497972716;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not to mention you-should-do-it-in-haskell
1672492;1497972717;asciilifeform;lol
1672493;1497972724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha!! dunforget!
1672494;1497972832;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing not forgets, "i never ate outside of kfc in my whole life, but i think i heard granpa call granma a filthy arab whore, and so therefore i am culturally arabic and OMFG NEED UTF-256 WHERE ARE THE SQUIGGLIES TO FILL MY INNER VOIDS!!!"
1672495;1497972986;BingoBoingo;In other near misses, an almost Omidyar's almost Qntra http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/08/teenagers-held-captive-and-gang-raped-at-st-paul-park/
1672496;1497973001;mircea_popescu;any hotties ?
1672497;1497973008;BingoBoingo;Not really
1672498;1497973037;mircea_popescu;let the permanent record permanently reflect that the ~only reasonable use of us-born teenagers today is gangrape in park.
1672499;1497973039;BingoBoingo;Mostly looks like a chronicle of every time local news papers censored race
1672500;1497976218;phf;building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
1672501;1497976218;phf;scussions, but also any kind of attempt at crypto communication. there was nothing to say all along.
1672502;1497976585;BingoBoingo;AHA, you stole their having to talk about
1672503;1497976698;mircea_popescu;phf the whole thing to say was that $random-schmuck is really REALLY bothered by the scent of my ballsac.
1672504;1497976778;BingoBoingo;Oh, in other news, apparently miner coup is at ~80% support
1672505;1497976793;mircea_popescu;i fail to see how any of it is anything other than "protect me from men". from credit cards and parking lots to "legal system" and "our democracy", the whole exercise is entirely borne out of and predicated upon "please god let it never be the case mp says something to me"
1672506;1497976801;BingoBoingo;perhaps fork war is nigh
1672507;1497976810;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it is almost summer...
1672508;1497976831;BingoBoingo;AHA
1672509;1497976901;mircea_popescu;vaguely curious if this "80%" is any closer to reality than the previous "miner consensus" when gavin wrecked the chain.
1672510;1497976950;BingoBoingo;Hard to say. Perhaps the miners really do wander off to do Altcoin
1672511;1497977025;BingoBoingo;Where's davout? Is the Bitcoin/shitcoin this ready to light up?
1672512;1497978285;BingoBoingo;https://stuffeurasianslike.wordpress.com/ << OMGWTF
1672513;1497978431;BingoBoingo;BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Apparently Elliots are organizing themselves as a demographic! "How is that better than being ignorant? In some ways knowledge is more evil. Like the Asian women who write these progressive feminist articles about how they know its so bad being an Asian man, but sorry they also married a white man. Is that the model you are looking to, when you say you will be a WMAF who acknowledges racism against As
1672514;1497978431;BingoBoingo;ian men?"
1672515;1497978444;mircea_popescu;isn't this whole "shit black chicks say" or w/e meme done to death already ?
1672516;1497978503;mircea_popescu;wait, wait wut ?! THERE EXIST ASIAN MEN ?!?!
1672517;1497978510;mircea_popescu;how long have i been away.
1672518;1497978533;BingoBoingo;"Back then I looked at me being born as a good thing." << Lol
1672519;1497978570;mircea_popescu;* deedbot gives voice to hanbot << somehow this struck me as quite funny :D
1672520;1497978592;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Children of White Dads and Asian Moms, like Elliot. There's a gold mine of self loathing out there
1672521;1497978639;hanbot;mircea_popescu shhh, i'm trying to infiltrate botciety here
1672522;1497978712;mircea_popescu;lol
1672523;1497978745;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo apparently servile mother + withdrawing father is the best recipe for offspring psychological disorders.
1672524;1497978914;BingoBoingo;Or the kids are doing it to themselves
1672525;1497978926;BingoBoingo;more comedy gold needs mining to make a decision
1672526;1497979049;phf;the last asian men all committed seppuku when japan lost in world war ii. yukio mishima, a homosexual writer of some repute was so distressed by there not being any men anymore, he tried to organize a coup to restate imperial power and bushido, with predictable results
1672527;1497979063;asciilifeform;phf: possibly -- not last.
1672528;1497979067;asciilifeform;but this remains to be seen.
1672529;1497979142;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently the Elliot demo mines and sows discord in the lands of their matriarchies https://archive.is/mEV8w
1672530;1497979187;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: stalin, supposedly, once said to his friends, 'history divides into three eras, matriarchate, patriarchate, and secretariate'
1672531;1497979366;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672507 << mircea_popescu: consider dropping another 50MTonne кузькина мать -- looked, at least to naked eye, to have miraculous educational effect last time around
1672532;1497979366;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 16:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is almost summer...
1672533;1497979417;phf;mishima and his sword http://luisantoniodevillena.es/web/wp-content/uploads/0.mishima-tamostu.jpg
1672534;1497979461;asciilifeform;phf: what a misfortunate d00d, he was, couldn't get a proper kaishakunin, it took, what , 5 whacks to drop his head
1672535;1497979467;BingoBoingo;LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL "Stop using the word Asian-Chinese, it's redundant, and inaccurate. Use Indigenous-Chinese or Aboriginal-Chinese."
1672536;1497979542;phf;first guy actually failed repeatedly, until another one took over
1672537;1497979575;phf;but that's why you don't try and build an army out of your gay buddies.
1672538;1497979619;asciilifeform;'you seppuku with the kashakunin you have, not the kaishakunin you wish you had', or what did old man rumsfeld say.
1672539;1497979664;asciilifeform;( and, oblig : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teDn-GTeDVs )
1672540;1497979681;asciilifeform;^ apparently still a folk favourite in jp
1672541;1497979819;phf;well, "folk", i'm reminded how every indian, when they say ghandi, they have to add "the father of our nation" immediately after, but in the privacy of their own homes (lubricated by a bit of alcohol) they start saying that godse should've done it sooner
1672542;1497979827;asciilifeform;aaaha
1672543;1497979888;asciilifeform;lubricated jp folk aaalso say... interesting things.
1672544;1497979960;BingoBoingo;Nepali kids insisted their country was the one Indians thought they had
1672545;1497980000;asciilifeform;waiwat
1672546;1497980020;BingoBoingo;Well, Between Buddah and all the kings etc.
1672547;1497980044;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there are ~no buddhists in india, last i knew
1672548;1497980066;BingoBoingo;Also "Greater Nepal" is this nationalistic thing many of them bought into where they insisted their traditional borders went halfway to the ocean
1672549;1497980104;*;asciilifeform sings softly 'от москвы до британских морей красная армия всех сильней!'
1672550;1497980120;trinque;not to get all "mixing of the races", but in a less squeamish culture it'd be interesting if somebody actually studied it. maybe poor elliots have a biological basis.
1672551;1497980120;asciilifeform;...at least that's what we had in asciilifeform's nepal
1672552;1497980205;asciilifeform;trinque: expand plox
1672553;1497980226;phf;гражданин непала это человек зачатый не пальцем и не палкой
1672554;1497980234;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1672555;1497980301;mircea_popescu;phf i was thinking of mishima exactly.
1672556;1497980323;trinque;there are ethnically bound diseases right? why not diseases arising out of a particular mixture of genes from two sides of the planet
1672557;1497980378;mircea_popescu;phf> but that's why you don't try and build an army out of your gay buddies. << but i saw it in that film about us cowboys dressed in skirts!
1672558;1497980380;mircea_popescu;IT WAS HISTORICAL
1672559;1497980388;asciilifeform;trinque: it isn't clear that there was anything physically wrong with elliot ( aside from being, by his account, a very short and thin d00d )
1672560;1497980414;asciilifeform;could have been worse - say, short+fat
1672561;1497980426;mircea_popescu;phf speaking of "father of nation" pedo -- ever seen the bridge to kwaii ?
1672562;1497980429;asciilifeform;or missing a leg, arm..
1672563;1497980494;mircea_popescu;absolutely HYSTERICAL not-dead-yet-honest britsh empire piece of agitprop. it is built on the mindbogglingly entertaining twin premises that a) british is not merely relevant, but world-central and b) really, they're this sort of age cave tace laborious dependable serious folk, like ghandi personally spawned the lot of them out of fat drunk saxon uglies.
1672564;1497980516;mircea_popescu;totally must be seen piece of lulz for the curious entomologist.
1672565;1497980524;*;asciilifeform adds to list
1672566;1497980581;mircea_popescu;trinque because a random "gene mixture" does not an ethnicity make.
1672567;1497980640;mircea_popescu;creoles (which is the name for two-ethnic mixtures, unless you prefer mongrels) are significantly more variant as a group than either antecessor group.
1672568;1497980672;mircea_popescu;somewhat similar to how hela is just one of many sorta-woman sorta-hpv combinations out there, a set much more diverse than either woman or hpv.
1672569;1497980701;asciilifeform;or how windows are quite alike but broken pieces of window pane are each unique..
1672570;1497980727;mircea_popescu;well, missing the mixing. but something like that.
1672571;1497980823;BingoBoingo;Their propaganda even sucks https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C89CD3cVYAA6nGm.jpg
1672572;1497980879;asciilifeform;idungetit
1672573;1497980902;BingoBoingo;Apparently the elliots think Whitey can't get a date?
1672574;1497980935;BingoBoingo;Or that what dudes get azans because spooks and slants are taking all the white wimmins.
1672575;1497980987;BingoBoingo;!!Up erlehmann
1672576;1497980987;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1672577;1497980994;BingoBoingo;Compare to the counter trolling https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1477/57/1477576657610.png
1672578;1497980994;phf;i've seen it long time ago, but the only part i remember about it is the heavy handed agitprop. but that's the tail end of british empire, so there is probably something to "dependable serious folk". i think it was in a handful of war novels too (slaughterhouse five maybe?) the whole "british officer" thing
1672579;1497980995;mircea_popescu;i vaguely suspect the whole point of the exercise is to somehow stroke the "womenz belong to us" fantasy.
1672580;1497981016;mircea_popescu;"if i can't get one to be mine in private, maybe we could get them to be ours as a group ???"
1672581;1497981035;erlehmann;so the first response to epigraph was like “why not explain a more interesting topic like ebola transmission?”
1672582;1497981038;mircea_popescu;phf it was something else, the stoic british officer who fixes everything through being so very british!
1672583;1497981080;BingoBoingo;https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1479/17/1479174959868.png
1672584;1497981085;mircea_popescu;except their notion of british looks more like "son of ghandi" than anything the actual 1790 brits would have recognized
1672585;1497981091;mircea_popescu;let alone wanted to be under the flag of.
1672586;1497981242;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/J5AOHAH.jpg
1672587;1497981270;erlehmann;this is pure comedy gold. i bow before the abrasiveness http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672450
1672588;1497981270;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 14:44 mircea_popescu: yes, there's an actrual technical reason. no, it can't be explained to you. because you lack priors.
1672589;1497981297;mircea_popescu;erlehmann i dare say it couldn't have been said smoother-er.
1672590;1497981298;phf;i'm going to rewatch it. this logs idea that british empire (or what was remaining of it) was destroyed in wwii made me reevaluate a lot of the 20th century events, and it's neat to look at these things through new frame
1672591;1497981316;mircea_popescu;phf whole point of scholarship / life of mind, to review.
1672592;1497981583;BingoBoingo;WTF, whole fucking continent has a victim complex https://np.reddit.com/r/bakchodi/comments/6ida58/when_an_indian_enters_a_super_fun_and_friendly/
1672593;1497981612;BingoBoingo;"No wonder the genetically superior brahmanas considered it the worst sin to so much as even lay their hands on obc gutter swines"
1672594;1497981632;asciilifeform;what's obc
1672595;1497981647;mircea_popescu;how are short shriveled brown men genetically superior.
1672596;1497981823;BingoBoingo; what's obc << I'm guessing dalits. I dunno all their internal slurs
1672597;1497982005;BingoBoingo;http://orig13.deviantart.net/fca2/f/2017/113/c/b/the_japanese_mind_by_dogstralia-db6u51c.png
1672598;1497982121;asciilifeform;wtf is 'amwf' again
1672599;1497982140;mircea_popescu;i would guess asian male naked female
1672600;1497982196;mod6;afternoon
1672601;1497982209;asciilifeform;heya mod6 !
1672602;1497982209;BingoBoingo;More lol: "sure, white society is obsessed with castration anxiety; fear of being cucked by blacks, muslim rapist gangs and the final myth affirming white masculinity was being able to 'out-masculine' the stereotype of asian males in white society. Shattering that myth with the reality of successful Asian men, re-affirms the belief in the white male that he himself truly is the beta cuck that he is."
1672603;1497982246;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> In other near misses, an almost Omidyar's almost Qntra http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/08/teenagers-held-captive-and-gang-raped-at-st-paul-park/ << thanks for posting.
1672604;1497982251;erlehmann;i don't get racist propaganda. if there is really nothing better holding people together than race, that seems like a very low common denominator.
1672605;1497982252;mircea_popescu;what successful asian men ? speed slalom through bollards athletes ?
1672606;1497982258;mod6;hi asciilifeform
1672607;1497982258;asciilifeform;mod6: believe or not, i have fixedtime fixedspace karatsubatron going. but it still needs to get CONSIDERABLY shorter
1672608;1497982266;mod6;!
1672609;1497982266;mircea_popescu;erlehmann ever fucked women of a different race ?
1672610;1497982291;BingoBoingo;erlehmann: I am having a lol.
1672611;1497982304;mod6;asciilifeform: i can imagine that there's some stuff to it, ya.
1672612;1497982332;erlehmann;mircea_popescu if with “race” you mean “skin color”, well, of course?
1672613;1497982340;mircea_popescu;and didn't they smell weird ?
1672614;1497982366;erlehmann;i only fuck what smells good, so no
1672615;1497982377;mircea_popescu;i don't mean weird as in bad. i mean weird as in alien.
1672616;1497982392;*;mircea_popescu is mostly persuaded the whole race thing exists on the basis of natural skin scent.
1672617;1497982411;erlehmann;yes, but alien seems attractive attractive. actually, my own smell is also attractive to me.
1672618;1497982418;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got some multicoloured pets nao?
1672619;1497982421;mircea_popescu;yes, but this marks you as a minority.
1672620;1497982429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for a long time.
1672621;1497982432;asciilifeform;neato
1672622;1497982437;*;mircea_popescu off to town. bbl!
1672623;1497982441;mod6;later
1672624;1497982449;erlehmann;i once had a one night stand with a porn director. during sex, i figured out that her fluids smell exactly like mine. we were a bit weirded out by that, then went back to pound town.
1672625;1497982517;erlehmann;i think scent can be attractive, but repulsive? i believe most people find “exotic” attractive somewhat. whiteys getting tanned, geishas having light skin etc. pp.
1672626;1497982537;asciilifeform;erlehmann: recall the tshirt experiment ?
1672627;1497982549;erlehmann;with the woman who could smell alzheimer's?
1672628;1497982551;asciilifeform;!#s histocompatibility
1672629;1497982552;a111;4 results for "histocompatibility", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=histocompatibility
1672630;1497982561;asciilifeform;erlehmann: nope -- see log ^
1672631;1497982587;erlehmann;in general, i have the impression that whitey-whites tend to smell bad more easily
1672632;1497982601;asciilifeform;wholly orthogonal to the mhc thing
1672633;1497982675;erlehmann;so everyone wants to be michael jackson
1672634;1497982682;erlehmann;a mix
1672635;1497982703;erlehmann;neither black nor white, male or female, adult or child (… and now: dead or alive)
1672636;1497982715;erlehmann;reading https://academic.oup.com/ndt/article/15/9/1269/1874025/MHC-genes-body-odours-and-odour-preferences now
1672637;1497982718;asciilifeform;'everyone'
1672638;1497982755;phf;well, "everyone". these fashion go through phases. 80s were all about androgyny for example to the extent that present time is no longer
1672639;1497982755;erlehmann;implying i should work on my quantors
1672640;1497982846;erlehmann;btw, i can voice myself (and will, if i have something to say)
1672641;1497982853;phf;michael jackson rode on a tail wave of that, and really i would say that "everyone" wants to be michael jackson, but michael jackson wanted to be david bowie (not cause bowie is somehow good or superior, but because bowie was happening as jackson was rising)
1672642;1497983001;BingoBoingo;ABOVE THAT: "Dating is part of the WMAF Hapa problem. Our #2 mod is called incelman. Hapa issues started gaining traction after Elliot Rodger blamed being half asian for being incel. The perceived unattractiveness of Asian males is a primary factor behind the huge WMAF imbalance. And a major point of r/Hapas is that the very sons of WMAF are hit by that anti-AM bias. So look we're not a bunch of angry incels just hating on women. We're m
1672643;1497983001;BingoBoingo;uch above that. But dating issues, rejection, attraction are a part of the Hapa problems we describe. "
1672644;1497983003;phf;i think these fashions are a balance between youthful rebelling and popular things that are normalized as time passes. but the present "race" narrative has nothing to do with anything, it's simply a fashion conversation.
1672645;1497983013;erlehmann;> incelman
1672646;1497983023;erlehmann;> elliot rodger
1672647;1497983028;erlehmann;oh noes
1672648;1497983049;erlehmann;phf fashion as in moral fashion?
1672649;1497983060;phf;no, fashion as in fashion
1672650;1497983112;phf;because adding any other qualifiers to fashion makes it somehow special. nothing special is happening here, it's a bunch of bored people trying out different clothes, signaling, etc.
1672651;1497983160;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Don't feel bad. The Boers can't hire gardeners anymore either due to Obama-cares http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179171/Walkerville-family-murders-Horrific-death-boy-12-drowned-boiling-water-robbers-raped-mother.html
1672652;1497983224;phf;they heard that sometime long time ago cool people were doing tmsr (like maybe black panthers in the 60s), but back then was doing, now it's long long fashion. and it's obviously fashion because none of these posers have it in them to make a clean cut with a sword so to speak. an act that comes from conviction or desperation that is an act in itself. with no "purpose" to it
1672653;1497983275;phf;so protesting and facebooking and posting pinterest pictures of molotov cocktail manuals that nobody's actually tried making in the their kitchen, etc.
1672654;1497983387;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: since mircea_popescu is away from his terminal, i'll fill in for him : 'tru men!' 'nature's garbage collector' etc
1672655;1497983417;erlehmann;phf another case of “talking about X does not make you part of X”?
1672656;1497983437;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "Should have hired nekkid chix to tend garden"
1672657;1497983474;asciilifeform;it still boggles my mind : would you hire, e.g., a talking grizzly bear, to 'tend garden' ?
1672658;1497983556;erlehmann;> Apart from war zones, South Africa’s murder rate is surpassed only by Latin American nations embroiled in gruesome battles between drug gangs.
1672659;1497983557;asciilifeform;witness the chinese folx in africa -- they do no such thing, first thing they do is to put up a perimeter of barbed wire, mine field, and interlocking sectors of fire. and ain't nobody darker than proverbial paper bag, permitted inside, ever again.
1672660;1497983663;asciilifeform;witness the 'smart brits of 1700s' -- how many indian gardeners?
1672661;1497983668;BingoBoingo;lol
1672662;1497983686;erlehmann;http://www.relocationafrica.com/chinese-companies-employ-lot-african-workers-think/
1672663;1497983699;asciilifeform;lol did they finally surrender to stupid
1672664;1497983769;asciilifeform;... or could simply be snow job to put the 'international komyooniti' off the scent
1672665;1497983828;asciilifeform;( chinese folx are observably clever enough to sometimes signal 'we kowtow' without actually ~doing~ any such thing -- as per the infamous july '15 forklulz
1672666;1497983830;asciilifeform;)
1672667;1497983861;BingoBoingo;Or is cracker now a slur against Chinese work camp bosses?
1672668;1497984288;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672617 << bahaha, erlehmann's over there with yesterday's boxers on his head
1672669;1497984288;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:13 erlehmann: yes, but alien seems attractive attractive. actually, my own smell is also attractive to me.
1672670;1497984429;trinque;imagine the creature born with a scent repulsive to itself.
1672671;1497984489;erlehmann;one opposite of “does something for me” would be “does nothing for me”
1672672;1497984519;erlehmann;many people do not care about their own smell. i find mine really nice.
1672673;1497984531;erlehmann;s/many people/many people i know/
1672674;1497984563;phf;erlehmann: yes, but with two clarifications. i specifically don't think that "something", that one could be part of, is actually happening when it comes to "race" at the moment. (i might find out otherwise years from now, but it would be totally unrelated to the public conversation that's happening right now)
1672675;1497984605;trinque;curious if shinohai's 'white supremacist' chick ever replied
1672676;1497984610;asciilifeform;the 'somethings, such that One Could Be Part Of' is a thing with very exaggerated existence to begin with
1672677;1497984654;asciilifeform;last i heard, the 1 place where everybody gets guaranteed admission ticket, is cemetery
1672678;1497984666;phf;situationists actually were very sensitive to that subject, and notoriously trolled anyone who would imply there is such a thing as "situation-ism"
1672679;1497984670;asciilifeform;( and even there -- doubt, possibly only room in oven, for some )
1672680;1497984671;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: don't forget us schools
1672681;1497984689;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i've personally worked with at least 2 d00dz who were drummed out of american school
1672682;1497984706;trinque;I employ someone who was drummed out as "terrorist!!!!"
1672683;1497984711;trinque;(for sending a prank e-mail)
1672684;1497984738;asciilifeform;trinque: mine were back when it was 'hooliganism'
1672685;1497984742;asciilifeform;but otherwise similar iirc
1672686;1497984772;asciilifeform;so in point of fact ben_vulpes is mistaken, it is far from 'everyone'
1672687;1497984854;ben_vulpes;speaking of 'middle'/'high' schools?
1672688;1497984889;ben_vulpes;everyone gets ticket, some might get ejected but lord with the stories coming out of the inner cities i don't even give that much credence.
1672689;1497984892;phf;(thinking some more i only had one clarification, second one relating to action/thought i don't think i have a good grasp on...)
1672690;1497984989;trinque;ben_vulpes: high school, for changing a "From" e-mail header -> "lol email came from teacher"
1672691;1497985025;trinque;the irony of this person being called a hacker makes me lol every time I have to get involved with setting up a printer.
1672692;1497985032;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: uppity white folx expelled at the drop of a hat
1672693;1497985049;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'inner city' blax -- pretty much need murder conviction, to expel
1672694;1497985107;ben_vulpes;yes well, "everyone gets ticket" and "cannot be expelled" are two distinct things
1672695;1497987338;erlehmann;https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/06/20/1526259/cisco-subdomain-private-key-found-in-embedded-executable#comments
1672696;1497987351;erlehmann;> Last weekend, in an attempt to get Sky's NOW TV video player (for Mac) to work on my machine, I noticed that one of the Cisco executables contains a private key that is associated with the public key in a trusted certificate for a cisco.com sub domain.
1672697;1497987358;erlehmann;if that sounded good:
1672698;1497987373;erlehmann;> I read the Baseline Requirements document (version 1.4.5, section 4.9.1.1), but I wasn't entirely sure whether this is considered a key compromise. I asked Hanno Bock on Twitter
1672699;1497987397;erlehmann;because that seems like, the first thing that comes to mind when encountering embedded private keys, right?
1672700;1497987779;mod6;ask a rando non-person first!
1672701;1497987840;erlehmann;well, he seems beloved here! http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hanno+bock
1672702;1497989065;lobbes;erlehmann, see also: http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/
1672703;1497989935;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/ford-turns-to-china-to-save-small-cars/ << Qntra - Ford Turns To China To Save Small Cars
1672704;1497990331;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1672705;1497990338;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2753.88, vol: 14624.41527752 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2720.0, vol: 7819.6884 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2750.0, vol: 18166.34731933 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2887.009464, vol: 16054.26870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2741.001, vol: 6272.39731438 | Volume-weighted last average: 2781.22630363
1672706;1497990444;phf;hanno bock is a stand in for "security community", sort of like preet bharara is a standing for american aparatchiks. they even look the parts!
1672707;1497990465;phf;https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1458238253/hanno.jpg and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Preet_Bharara_2012_Shankbone.jpg
1672708;1497990549;phf;hmm, that last picture gave me a lizard overload for the day, did it to myself though.
1672709;1497992952;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672675 <<< Unfortunately never replied, likely thought I was trying to recruit her.
1672710;1497992952;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:50 trinque: curious if shinohai's 'white supremacist' chick ever replied
1672711;1497995223;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672624 << hmm, i thought the way the set picked the director in the first place was "that one nobody really wants to fuck".
1672712;1497995223;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:14 erlehmann: i once had a one night stand with a porn director. during sex, i figured out that her fluids smell exactly like mine. we were a bit weirded out by that, then went back to pound town.
1672713;1497995288;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672641 << this is eerily persuasive, actually. either bowie or diana ross.
1672714;1497995288;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:20 phf: michael jackson rode on a tail wave of that, and really i would say that "everyone" wants to be michael jackson, but michael jackson wanted to be david bowie (not cause bowie is somehow good or superior, but because bowie was happening as jackson was rising)
1672715;1497995360;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672642 << just you wait till these entitled cumquats living comfortably in the west find out what "AM" born in beijing has to accomplish to get even a vague shot at an unhappy, single-woman western style marriage thing.
1672716;1497995360;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:23 BingoBoingo: ABOVE THAT: "Dating is part of the WMAF Hapa problem. Our #2 mod is called incelman. Hapa issues started gaining traction after Elliot Rodger blamed being half asian for being incel. The perceived unattractiveness of Asian males is a primary factor behind the huge WMAF imbalance. And a major point of r/Hapas is that the very sons of WMAF are hit by that anti-AM bias. So look we're not a bunch of angry incels just hating on women. We're m
1672717;1497995377;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean you can'tr afford to drop 2mn on a shitty matchbox appartment ?!?!?!?!"
1672718;1497995418;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, no need to even go as far as beijing, we have this right here in northern gringolandia
1672719;1497995455;mircea_popescu;you have nfi. you keep going "oh, we have fruits also in soviet union." no, you don't, your ethylene pinkomatoes aren't fit for a dog salad.
1672720;1497995467;asciilifeform;the matchboxes, i mean
1672721;1497995469;mircea_popescu;and no, you have nfi what real estate bezzle is until you rent for a while in shanghai
1672722;1497995469;asciilifeform;what else.
1672723;1497995484;asciilifeform;> nyc ?!
1672724;1497995507;asciilifeform;( not even to mention californistan )
1672725;1497995515;mircea_popescu;ah. at issue was the social dynamic. "average income in your country is $500/year, which you can onl;y have in paper gift certificates, and shitty apartment that is prerequisite for maybe getting a bad blowjob on odd weekends is $2mn in gold."
1672726;1497995522;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're pale copies of china.
1672727;1497995561;asciilifeform;they dun have konsoomer credit in cn ?
1672728;1497995565;asciilifeform;( or else why 'in gold' )
1672729;1497995619;mircea_popescu;nope.
1672730;1497995620;erlehmann;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672711 << some kind of porn peter principle, i guess?
1672731;1497995620;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 21:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672624 << hmm, i thought the way the set picked the director in the first place was "that one nobody really wants to fuck".
1672732;1497995638;mircea_popescu;erlehmann either that or he's the least likely to get distracted.
1672733;1497995676;mircea_popescu;(and, afore anyone asks, the porn ~~~PRODUCER~~~ ie what i did is the one who fucks when feels like, rather then as a group behaviour.)
1672734;1497995721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how did it come about that pornproducer and porndirector are separate people ?
1672735;1497995731;asciilifeform;( and are they, typically..? )
1672736;1497995751;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672652 << you're definitely on to something there. the act without meaning is long gone in the world of "meanings" devoid of any acts. every single time withjout exception captain brezer0 runs into tmsr, the remnants splattered everywhere consist entirely of "here's this collection of signifiers i had"
1672737;1497995751;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:27 phf: they heard that sometime long time ago cool people were doing tmsr (like maybe black panthers in the 60s), but back then was doing, now it's long long fashion. and it's obviously fashion because none of these posers have it in them to make a clean cut with a sword so to speak. an act that comes from conviction or desperation that is an act in itself. with no "purpose" to it
1672738;1497995766;erlehmann;i guess what asciilifeform wants for his porn is some kind of bed-rocking abstraction
1672739;1497995773;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they are, typically. much like fluffer and pornstar are separate.
1672740;1497995790;erlehmann;fluffer is a job that does not exist anymore, prove me wrong
1672741;1497995812;mircea_popescu;think in terms of the old crime world. producer is the fixer, he gets some guy's house for the weekend. director is the office manager, he makes sure all the cunts end up on the couch and all the film cans in the lab.
1672742;1497995831;mircea_popescu;erlehmann entirely possible, i've not been watching for a long time now.
1672743;1497995832;asciilifeform;aaah field- vs flag- officer
1672744;1497995837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right.
1672745;1497995843;asciilifeform;makes sense nao.
1672746;1497995855;mircea_popescu;director can't be on the set. producer on the set is a clear symptom of serious trouble, like white cell count
1672747;1497995865;mircea_popescu;i mean director can't NOT be on the set.
1672748;1497995882;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i believe i got that information not from porn, but from what a porn director claimed
1672749;1497995916;mircea_popescu;important to point out this is all memories from back when cameras weighed >20lbs and came with tape.
1672750;1497995955;asciilifeform;for some reason i pictured mircea_popescu filming to celluloid..
1672751;1497995969;asciilifeform;on 100 pound camera
1672752;1497995978;erlehmann;mircea_popescu so did you do (semi-)professional porn?
1672753;1497995978;mircea_popescu;im theoretically technically promising, but practically rather inept. i don't even drive.
1672754;1497995995;mircea_popescu;erlehmann what's (semi-)professional ?
1672755;1497996081;erlehmann;people involved expect payment i guess, but at a lower rate than full-time professionals
1672756;1497996107;mircea_popescu;erlehmann i don't think anyone alive made as much money per time, at the time. so in this sense i guess i was a fully professional... banker ?
1672757;1497996128;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672657 << because they hired the talking grizzly's papa back in the day (when they had muzzles and hot irons at the ready) and nothing has changed!!1
1672758;1497996128;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:31 asciilifeform: it still boggles my mind : would you hire, e.g., a talking grizzly bear, to 'tend garden' ?
1672759;1497996207;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672660 << loads, actually. it become fashionable to have black vallet sometime late 18th century, under french influence
1672760;1497996207;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:34 asciilifeform: witness the 'smart brits of 1700s' -- how many indian gardeners?
1672761;1497996215;mircea_popescu;!~google chocolat follies
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1672763;1497996222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: black, note, not amerind
1672764;1497996228;mircea_popescu;oh google you are so usefully intelligent!
1672765;1497996232;asciilifeform;i.e. the folx on whom the hot irons worked ok
1672766;1497996233;erlehmann;the director told me at our date that she tried to weed out the ones doing porn mainly for money during castings because it paid so bad and she suspected they would not be satisfied with the pay.
1672767;1497996238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually mostly haitian and generally island - creole iirc.
1672768;1497996249;erlehmann;it reminds me of startup culture thingies.
1672769;1497996261;erlehmann;accept low pay to achieve stuffings!
1672770;1497996269;mircea_popescu;erlehmann not even a bronze age, now. with all the "webcam" sadness. but there WAS a golden age.
1672771;1497996288;mircea_popescu;i know, for i was there. and it was glorious.
1672772;1497996314;asciilifeform;'there was a golden age' of almost anything - even of begging: iirc the first d00d to conceive of begging via pisspal or what was it, made bank
1672773;1497996331;asciilifeform;homo redditicus falls for the novelty
1672774;1497996346;erlehmann;or greed
1672775;1497996349;asciilifeform;and 100mil pennies is 1mil$, etc
1672776;1497996352;mircea_popescu;eh, no, no. this was a golden age in the very true and proper sense of "like bitcoin", ie, realligning social order pressures available.
1672777;1497996374;mircea_popescu;ie, "you tv folk can come in and see our hot gear on a wednesday but don't teach anything"
1672778;1497996384;mircea_popescu;touch* loll
1672779;1497996427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider, if you're curious, the shift in the implicit social attitudes as reflected by mid 80s and late 90s sit coms.
1672780;1497996431;mircea_popescu;porn changed the world.
1672781;1497996457;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was born a bit too late to properly notice this with own eyes: while he ~had~ paid for compilers -- never once paid for porn
1672782;1497996467;mircea_popescu;moreover, the internet as a not-apple-paysite even exists in the first place because it allowed its silver age ; and in so allowing also destroyed, of course, but different discussion.
1672783;1497996505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, to properly appreciate the change one should have been born no later than 62 or so. be in your mid 20s in mid 80s.
1672784;1497996624;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's head 'age of porn' is still synonymous with 'cheap svga card appears'
1672785;1497996625;erlehmann;for those who know german, i can suggest „die läufige leinwand“ from christian kessler, a book about american hardcore porn from 1970 to 1985. maybe there exists a translation?
1672786;1497996692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notrly. by the time broadband + sonycams hit, it was already gone, and i was already out.
1672787;1497996705;erlehmann;https://www.amazon.de/Die-l%C3%A4ufige-Leinwand-amerikanische-Hardcorefilm/dp/3927795569
1672788;1497996705;erlehmann;i had a lot of fun with this and the goebbels diaries
1672789;1497996746;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wasn't speaking of the 'age of porn-makes-money', i wasn't there to see either end of it.
1672790;1497996747;asciilifeform;rather was thinking of age of 'too cheap to meter' (tm)(r)
1672791;1497996750;mircea_popescu;golden age of porn was the vhs. silver age of porn was the early internet paysite, which if i recall the figures correctly were hit 80% dialup, then a few years later 60%, and then a few more years like 5% or so, and the cheap digicams were everywhere
1672792;1497996765;erlehmann;(spoiler: goebbels was an angsty wimp, despised other nazis, described hitler as “his only friend”)
1672793;1497996775;erlehmann;seems someone … did the deed?
1672794;1497996804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, that. i dunno, really. filming physiology is not pornography. there's a certain intersection of cultural items to make porn, and i'd say it expired just about the time michael jackson was completing his diana bowie-ross morphism.
1672795;1497996815;mircea_popescu;erlehmann pretty sure erryone knoes.
1672796;1497996886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as result, i suspect, of missing the 'silver age' etc, asciilifeform never imprinted on the various kabukis of the genre
1672797;1497996893;asciilifeform;iirc we had an old thread about this.
1672798;1497996901;mircea_popescu;anyway, but back upstack : it'd be perhaps fair to say that it wasn't porn ~per se~ that changed the world from pantsuit to breathable. it was the fortunate situation that just as the chick in every young household had been exposed to other girls outperforming her, the dude could then afford a cam and so he could go "ok, get to work bitch".
1672799;1497996935;mircea_popescu;all renaissance works on this paradigm afaik. "bitch get to work" in a coherent and realistic (ie, with a real underpinning) fashion -> renaissance.
1672800;1497996961;asciilifeform;this is a mega-point,
1672801;1497996984;asciilifeform;something quite like it (ww2 crunch) created, e.g., su as industrial-power, for while that lasted
1672802;1497996987;mircea_popescu;this confluence of a) forming an idea (why can't you deepthroat ? SHE CAN!) and b) having a lab is the key to all everytrhings.
1672803;1497997006;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. "don't fucking tell me it can't be done, they've done it which is why there's bombs falling everywhere"
1672804;1497997009;asciilifeform;and woe be unto you if producer (iosif vissarionovich!) shows up to the set!
1672805;1497997016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know ?
1672806;1497997019;asciilifeform;aha!
1672807;1497997033;mircea_popescu;"i'm not going away from here without a head in this here bag, so which head is it going to be".
1672808;1497997151;*;asciilifeform aficionado of autobios of the period -- most recently, serov's. and this element -- recurs.
1672809;1497997156;asciilifeform;it's the one fixed star in all of'em.
1672810;1497997164;mircea_popescu;i will also note that there's a very interesting relation between... i mean! it is almost always the case culture shock engenders #trilema conversations. and it is at least in principle possible to measure how interesting rthey are ; and then to relate that value to just how shocky the shock is. it'd seem moderate shock like eg erlehmann works a lot better than full on blast splatting like the fly earlier today.
1672811;1497997178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i believe for good reason.
1672812;1497997217;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've never seen anyone (other than fly going splat) in earnest that it was accident.
1672813;1497997223;asciilifeform;*argue that
1672814;1497997293;mircea_popescu;amusingly, 1970s parents even had internalised this whole thing into daily speech. "don't make me come over there!"
1672815;1497997324;asciilifeform;'as above, so below' (tm)(r)(the alchemists)
1672816;1497997337;mircea_popescu;who, newton ?
1672817;1497997340;asciilifeform;all of'em
1672818;1497997354;asciilifeform;fractals before it was hip!11111
1672819;1497997361;*;mircea_popescu delights at that complex joek.
1672820;1497997509;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672698 << ahahahahaha
1672821;1497997509;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 19:36 erlehmann: > I read the Baseline Requirements document (version 1.4.5, section 4.9.1.1), but I wasn't entirely sure whether this is considered a key compromise. I asked Hanno Bock on Twitter
1672822;1497997529;asciilifeform;sorta why there even exists a twatter, or a bock
1672823;1497997541;mircea_popescu;shit im not there yet. SPOILERS!
1672824;1497997547;asciilifeform;whole orchestra plays, solely so that $schmuck knows exactly, who, where to 'ask'
1672825;1497997549;asciilifeform;lol
1672826;1497997597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for as long as there's slop trickle in stable, pig won't find truffles in forest.
1672827;1497997609;mircea_popescu;very biologically-aware chumpatron.
1672828;1497997610;asciilifeform;or even acorn in forest.
1672829;1497998164;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672689 << the other major problem with "race" as a wholly-devoid-of-meaning anglotard subcultural construct is that... well... it's a brand, see. licenseable, negotiable like any other "negotiable instrument" ie paper money. there's no substantial difference between "Black & Decker power tools hecho en Mexico" and "African with tribal tatoo made in Chicago" and finally http://trilema.com/201
1672830;1497998164;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 18:54 phf: (thinking some more i only had one clarification, second one relating to action/thought i don't think i have a good grasp on...)
1672831;1497998164;mircea_popescu;6/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/#selection-51.0-51.49 "certified scientist" etcetera is nil.
1672832;1497998219;trinque;curious bot behavior lately. the thing has to be receiving pongs from something, or it'd close and restart.
1672833;1497998232;mircea_popescu;so in the same sense kentucky fried chicken isn't "something that is happening" nor "something you could be part of", neither is "african american" or white, or wmaf or w/e the shit already.
1672834;1497998237;asciilifeform;trinque: no prizes for guessing from what!11
1672835;1497998244;mircea_popescu;trinque getting spliced a little ?
1672836;1497998251;trinque;guess so
1672837;1497998269;mircea_popescu;hey, free practical nsa work lab you got yourself. instrument & enjoy.
1672838;1497998283;mircea_popescu;and remember -- everything you see in usoviet lands is a state secret.
1672839;1497998376;erlehmann;deedbot source code lives where?
1672840;1497998420;trinque;erlehmann: http://trinque.org/2016/08/11/logbot-genesis/
1672841;1497998430;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672705 << this collapse is scam, i want my money back.
1672842;1497998430;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 20:25 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2753.88, vol: 14624.41527752 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2720.0, vol: 7819.6884 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2750.0, vol: 18166.34731933 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2887.009464, vol: 16054.26870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2741.001, vol: 6272.39731438 | Volume-weighted last average: 2781.22630363
1672843;1497998432;mircea_popescu;o, wait.
1672844;1497998453;asciilifeform;relatedly, i've been seeing lines pop into existence on my client end in 2-3ln bursts
1672845;1497998458;asciilifeform;the 'net splits' also splices.
1672846;1497998466;asciilifeform;and their buffering -- is shit
1672847;1497998519;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672706 << they do. and not forget, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-06#1318952 as a stand-in for shit-academia. though i suppose obama would work just as well, "constitutional law scholar". read motherfucking constitution of ghana.
1672848;1497998519;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 20:27 phf: hanno bock is a stand in for "security community", sort of like preet bharara is a standing for american aparatchiks. they even look the parts!
1672849;1497998519;a111;Logged on 2015-11-06 22:33 ascii_field: 'Follow Bhagwan Chowdhry on Twitter'
1672850;1497998596;mircea_popescu;holy shit, i had nfi preet actually married A DUDE.
1672851;1497998604;asciilifeform;lolwat
1672852;1497998605;mircea_popescu;or is that thing a camel.
1672853;1497998617;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672707 << 2nd part.
1672854;1497998617;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 20:27 phf: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1458238253/hanno.jpg and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Preet_Bharara_2012_Shankbone.jpg
1672855;1497998640;asciilifeform;hey, gotta marry within caste..
1672856;1497998653;mircea_popescu;by that point need a better caste holy shit.
1672857;1497998709;asciilifeform;castes -- exist. and i can even see the argument, that one oughta be able to make the call from 10 metres, rather than burn away 10minutes of yer life listening to a wikipedian
1672858;1497998717;asciilifeform;( or whatver dalit )
1672859;1497998734;erlehmann;“make the call”?
1672860;1497998756;asciilifeform;erlehmann: ever heard of 'fof beacon' ?
1672861;1497998761;asciilifeform;as used in fighter jet
1672862;1497998777;mircea_popescu;are you proposing that pair of yetis actually look good to someone ?
1672863;1497998779;mircea_popescu;i do not believe.
1672864;1497998785;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not necessary
1672865;1497998802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's this big bin of folx who ain't gotta look good to anybody, in particular.
1672866;1497998803;mircea_popescu;they look like a poster image for "why india should not really even exist".
1672867;1497998807;asciilifeform;they - stuck with one another.
1672868;1497998824;mircea_popescu;no, they stuck with reddit.
1672869;1497998854;erlehmann;asciilifeform you mean IFF beacon?
1672870;1497998870;asciilifeform;erlehmann: in modern parlance aha
1672871;1497998871;erlehmann;friend or foe
1672872;1497998873;mircea_popescu;she could show him her tits anonymously while carefully hiding her face. they'd both get more sex and sex alikes mileage out of the arrangement.
1672873;1497998944;asciilifeform;re castes, see also http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=buluceala
1672874;1497998947;mircea_popescu;anyway. AAA++ log, would catch up again.
1672875;1497998956;erlehmann;looks shopped https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Preet_Bharara_2012_Shankbone.jpg
1672876;1497999001;mircea_popescu;can you tell by some pixels ?
1672877;1498000723;erlehmann;no, actually, i can't
1672878;1498000730;erlehmann;error level analysis does not yield anything
1672879;1498005601;shinohai;In other malware: http://archive.is/qwSQL
1672880;1498011085;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3E3B6B6C4504FCCA206505232AD38A553ECE9B407028CA4FC0615706E7587115 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...0623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.126.230.17 (ssh-rsa key from 87.126.230.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (87-126-230-17.ip.btc-net.bg. BG)
1672881;1498011085;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3E3B6B6C4504FCCA206505232AD38A553ECE9B407028CA4FC0615706E7587115 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1655...3683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.126.230.17 (ssh-rsa key from 87.126.230.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (87-126-230-17.ip.btc-net.bg. BG)
1672882;1498011085;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE3054BE86A5AAAABF50B797F6DA6B65DD77CA4D814A5EF491F50EC6B2D7B284 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1655...3683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.140.251.244 (ssh-rsa key from 195.140.251.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MZ)
1672883;1498011086;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE3054BE86A5AAAABF50B797F6DA6B65DD77CA4D814A5EF491F50EC6B2D7B284 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1682...2313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.140.251.244 (ssh-rsa key from 195.140.251.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MZ)
1672884;1498026674;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/21/i-know-the-last-train-is-leaving-the-station-but-thats-ok-ill-grab-the-next-one/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “I know the last train is leaving the station but that’s ok I’ll grab the next one.”
1672885;1498026816;BingoBoingo;Very trippy new trilema header
1672886;1498051592;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/druPv/?raw=true
1672887;1498051636;mircea_popescu;trinque http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QycSh/?raw=true
1672888;1498051663;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Fpxb5/?raw=true
1672889;1498051691;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it, gimme a min
1672890;1498051693;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/C1eU7/?raw=true
1672891;1498051694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kk
1672892;1498051725;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/qj4DD/?raw=true
1672893;1498051763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: done.
1672894;1498051785;mircea_popescu;normally this happens "privately" as per usg.freenode's notion of that, but since http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672501 i figure what the hell, we can have one public day.
1672895;1498051785;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: scussions, but also any kind of attempt at crypto communication. there was nothing to say all along.
1672896;1498051799;mircea_popescu;thereby making june 21st the republican "day of there was nothing to say all along" and a holiday.
1672897;1498051818;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ty kindly!
1672898;1498051845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: np!
1672899;1498051939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4Sgct/?raw=true
1672900;1498051967;asciilifeform;got it!
1672901;1498052007;mircea_popescu;dun dun duuun.
1672902;1498054725;shinohai;Happy Solstice/day of there was nothing to say all along Day !
1672903;1498054757;mircea_popescu;wasn't that yest ?
1672904;1498054765;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ack
1672905;1498054782;mircea_popescu;shinohai precesion, yo. by now solstice moved to late 20th evening.
1672906;1498054792;shinohai;Ah!
1672907;1498054821;*;shinohai now wonders what to do with these naked girls in the kitchen ....
1672908;1498054845;mircea_popescu;send them home, it's all fruhstuck't.
1672909;1498055133;mircea_popescu;and speaking of black chix code : https://www.google.com/search?q=Elena+Istode&tbm=isch
1672910;1498055179;mircea_popescu;(yet another of ex ro president traian basescu's harem was finally "found" by teh ro tards. this one is an actual general no less, and organised more parties / ows-likes than ~anyone in the us).
1672911;1498055194;mod6;mornin tmsr~
1672912;1498055206;mircea_popescu;hola
1672913;1498055255;mircea_popescu;(perhaps also of note, what piddly orlol boats pass for "the yacht!! of a mobster!!!" in rotardland.)
1672914;1498055278;*;asciilifeform considered buying the orloltron
1672915;1498055295;mod6;the boat?!
1672916;1498055297;asciilifeform;aha
1672917;1498055327;mircea_popescu;lmao. but why ?
1672918;1498055333;asciilifeform;although it is suspiciously cheap
1672919;1498055339;mod6;the ocean is a desert. i don't think i could do that for extended time.
1672920;1498055346;asciilifeform;if the 'replaced and renovated everything!111' is in fact tru
1672921;1498055354;mircea_popescu;dude, you are off your fucking rocker. you have no experience whatsoever with boating and will buy a 2nd hand item ?
1672922;1498055361;mircea_popescu;how the fuck will you evaluate anything about it ?
1672923;1498055372;mircea_popescu;noobs buy new. golden rule, don't step out.
1672924;1498055382;asciilifeform;for asciilifeform , 'new' means 'never'
1672925;1498055385;asciilifeform;because $mil
1672926;1498055389;mircea_popescu;this is NOT A CRITERIA.
1672927;1498055398;asciilifeform;sure it is.
1672928;1498055400;mircea_popescu;nope.
1672929;1498055408;asciilifeform;[insert mircea_popescu boat thread here!111]
1672930;1498055417;mircea_popescu;you understand, for $retard "correctly means never" is how he gets into javascript ?
1672931;1498055429;mircea_popescu;it is a stupid thing to do. i don't care what you think "means never" means.
1672932;1498055474;mircea_popescu;the schmuck above, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672451 like so many equal schmucks before him, thought "read logs and get into tmsr ? THAT MEANS NEVER!!!! LOG TOO LONG!!!" etc.
1672933;1498055474;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 14:45 sn0wmonster: do you always do this?
1672934;1498055476;asciilifeform;asciilifeform barely ever buys 'new' anythings. 'newness' is a chump tax.
1672935;1498055494;mircea_popescu;so don't buy it new in the us, buy it new in china.
1672936;1498055518;mircea_popescu;you understand this ? industrial process offers a guarantee of sameness and conformity, such as it is. natural decay DOES NOT.
1672937;1498055545;mircea_popescu;all items coming off the factory line are worth ~same within a few percents, AND the whole fucking world is out there trying to figure out FOR YOU, on their own dime, what that SAME is.
1672938;1498055552;asciilifeform;i'll be sure to buy new b0at in china as soon as i learn chinese, get into cpcn wot, and obtain teleporter.
1672939;1498055557;mircea_popescu;a used item can be worth anything through mt_rand(0, new)
1672940;1498055619;*;mircea_popescu can buy used cars. CARS. because i bought and own hundreds. i can't buy fucking used boats, and i doubt you can (or would, or do for that matter) buy used cars.
1672941;1498055627;mircea_popescu;bought and owned*
1672942;1498055659;asciilifeform;incidentally 'industrial process offers a guarantee of sameness and conformity', 'natural decay DOES NOT' is not wholly given : there exists such a thing as turdalicious production processes, and -- on opposite end -- the 'bathtub curve' of winnowing
1672943;1498055674;asciilifeform;electric transformers, for instance
1672944;1498055693;mod6;asciilifeform: you'd be better of renting a boat if you just wanna have some fun. if you want escape-hatch, then you escape, buy boat later at where ever with translator et al.
1672945;1498055695;asciilifeform;and i would not buy anything BUT a used car, wtf
1672946;1498055698;asciilifeform;newness is a chump tax.
1672947;1498055706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. when you buy a used electric transformer, i'll keep my peace.
1672948;1498055713;asciilifeform;plain and simple. ( it drives off the dealer lot, suddenly loses 10k in value, lol )
1672949;1498055718;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you buy it over the internet, too ?
1672950;1498055722;asciilifeform;i certainly do.
1672951;1498055732;asciilifeform;or would, at any rate.
1672952;1498055737;mircea_popescu;did you.
1672953;1498055751;asciilifeform;transformer? yes!
1672954;1498055754;asciilifeform;was even a thread here.
1672955;1498055760;mircea_popescu;no dude, used car over craigslist.
1672956;1498055765;asciilifeform;ah these no
1672957;1498055773;mircea_popescu;i swear the loony reservation is doing things to your head. you ended up baking in us "consumer protection" laws at some level.
1672958;1498055776;asciilifeform;but i've had the same (inherited) auto for eons.
1672959;1498055783;mircea_popescu;so you didn't... buy it ?
1672960;1498055786;asciilifeform;nope.
1672961;1498055791;mircea_popescu;so then wtf are you talking about.
1672962;1498055798;mircea_popescu;of couse your brotyher isn't going to stick you with a lemon.
1672963;1498055826;asciilifeform;was thinking of transformers and other smaller items. ~100% of my comps is made of 2ndhand parts, for instance.
1672964;1498055840;mircea_popescu;THAT is fine, but also does not scale.
1672965;1498055854;mircea_popescu;there's ~no mechanical moving parts in computer, and guess what -- the few that are, you DO buy new.
1672966;1498055858;asciilifeform;tru!! if i needed 10,000,001 -- would be stuck paying the chumptax
1672967;1498055859;mircea_popescu;or are your fans 2nd hand also.
1672968;1498055872;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my toothbrush ain't 2ndhand either!11
1672969;1498055888;mircea_popescu;yes but circumstances of two kinds overlap to dazzle and confuse your eye.
1672970;1498055895;mircea_popescu;the relevant part in the fan is the movement, not the intimacy.
1672971;1498055927;asciilifeform;would mircea_popescu describe the chassis of boat as 'moving part' ?
1672972;1498055937;mircea_popescu;and, to a much larger degree in the car than in the fan. and to a larger still in the boat than in the car.
1672973;1498055941;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes!
1672974;1498055963;mircea_popescu;we already had this thread last week, but you got it like duck gets wet. the boat hull IS a moving part, and it is moving in such a way to make plastic ~useless.
1672975;1498055974;asciilifeform;per my current (nonexpert) conception, it's a fiberglass shell, that is either broken or whole
1672976;1498056029;mircea_popescu;this is not entirely true. it's either new or ground.
1672977;1498056031;asciilifeform;at any rate, and ought to satisfy mircea_popescu , i dun buy machines i have nfi how to drive, i did not buy airplane either.
1672978;1498056039;BingoBoingo;The hull is a friction surface
1672979;1498056046;mircea_popescu;ie, 10k or 10 days away from failure.
1672980;1498056073;BingoBoingo;Like a very hard to change tire
1672981;1498056120;mircea_popescu;the problem with brake pads is that under the heat and shear stress they microcrystallize. this makes them much less useless for their intended purpose, which is abrasion, and for which they'd better stay amorphous. the problem with fiberglass is that under mechanical stress they separate, which then creates fissures and which then is the end.
1672982;1498056135;mircea_popescu;much less useful*
1672983;1498056137;asciilifeform;but if asciilifeform ever ~were~ to buy boat, or plane, it ~would~ be a used one, and will pay for it not only in reichsmarks but millimorts, because new is simply not on the table -- a new, e.g., sailboat thing, may as well be a starship
1672984;1498056154;BingoBoingo;If that's the case buy a motorcycle
1672985;1498056164;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun particularly need a motorcycle..
1672986;1498056168;BingoBoingo;Low dollars, higher millimorts
1672987;1498056170;mircea_popescu;yes, from a pass/fail perspective brake pad is either broken or isn't. but natura not facit saltus, it gets there through a continuous process. there's no discrete processes above atomic scale.
1672988;1498056178;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nagant even cheaper!111
1672989;1498056186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform buy a few bitcoins and wait a few years.
1672990;1498056195;mircea_popescu;you could afford a boat in $2 btc, yes.
1672991;1498056197;asciilifeform;lol that'd require selling bitcoin!111
1672992;1498056212;mircea_popescu;better than selling micromorts.
1672993;1498056218;*;asciilifeform treats btc as something like the fabled 'write-only memory'
1672994;1498056223;mircea_popescu;it just about is.
1672995;1498056419;asciilifeform;for instance, almost 100% of the btc i ever tx'ed out, was on the dumb alphago bet
1672996;1498056430;asciilifeform;(never bet on any game you haven't rigged yerself!11111)
1672997;1498056481;asciilifeform;probably quite enough at this point to have bought an orlolboat for some cackling 'bay aryan'
1672998;1498056524;mod6;whats the longest boat trip you've ever taken?
1672999;1498056540;asciilifeform;maybe half a day?
1673000;1498056541;asciilifeform;why
1673001;1498056545;mod6;i personally have only been on a boat for a day at most.
1673002;1498056574;mod6;well, i think that it's fun for a day; imagine going port to port for weeks on end. i think it'd get tiring. maybe i'm wrong. *shrug*
1673003;1498056578;asciilifeform;it was enough to establish that asciilifeform is completely immune to sea sickness, for instance.
1673004;1498056597;phf;ha
1673005;1498056597;mircea_popescu;anyway, a word re the "new chump tax drives off the lot loses 10k value" thing : it loses 10k of RESALE value. it does not lose 10k of value, ie, your new car still won't need new shocks just because you drove it off lot.
1673006;1498056609;mod6;i don't seem to have problems with that either.... at least, i have't had it yet.
1673007;1498056619;mircea_popescu;there's many values. value as a negotiable is different from value as a usable.
1673008;1498056625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tru
1673009;1498056630;mircea_popescu;"you marry a girl, it loses 10k whoring value right there" is rank nonsense.
1673010;1498056645;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my observation was the the 'warranty' of new item is a very, very expensive thing
1673011;1498056654;asciilifeform;that may or may not be +ev
1673012;1498056668;mircea_popescu;which is why i said don't buy it in the us, cuz yes those people are SO into papers and empty signifiying by now that it's a legitimate problem.
1673013;1498056678;mircea_popescu;but the insanity of one group does not affect the bedrock of reality any.
1673014;1498056688;asciilifeform;getting to where you can buy outside of the reservation is also not phree
1673015;1498056714;mircea_popescu;perhaps. but it's still an open problem how expensive, and it is my estimation you're massively overestimating it.
1673016;1498056720;asciilifeform;it is hard enough to buy massless, teleportable btc, even
1673017;1498056724;asciilifeform;much less physical contraption like boat
1673018;1498056982;mircea_popescu;mod6 it helps immensely if you only take slavegirls along.
1673019;1498056995;mircea_popescu;possibly only thing in nature that actually occupies negative space.
1673020;1498057029;mod6;ah, i agree. naked girl(s) + boat go hand in hand.
1673021;1498057064;mircea_popescu;nudity is a start, but it's just... people have a bubble, it depends on many things and i suppose is of various types. if you pack them tighter than their bubble is they'll get increasingly pissier.
1673022;1498057070;mircea_popescu;except, well trained slavegirl has opposite effect.
1673023;1498057097;mircea_popescu;this is favoritism!
1673024;1498057148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mind that there's two sea sicknesses, also, early and late. though the late is rare.
1673025;1498057164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's the 'late' ?
1673026;1498057176;mod6;heheh. i can see it though, mircea_popescu
1673027;1498057183;mircea_popescu;sort of migraine-like, seen in the 6th to 12th week.
1673028;1498057183;asciilifeform;sets in after a month..?
1673029;1498057204;mircea_popescu;mostly hits people like fishing boat crews, which is why they never take more than X% noobs no matter what.
1673030;1498057208;asciilifeform;i dun think an orloltron carries 12 wks of food/water
1673031;1498057217;asciilifeform;( or petrol, for that matter )
1673032;1498057224;mircea_popescu;narrows with exposure.
1673033;1498057347;asciilifeform;while we're on subj of storms at sea -- i admit to having wondered why orlol isn't designing a small sub ( it doesn't need to have gigantic pressure hull, or even ~any maneuvering ability while under -- but only to ride out storms by submerging). afaik it dun get any moar storm-proof than a sub.
1673034;1498057375;mircea_popescu;so basically have your own solitary confinment cell ?
1673035;1498057392;asciilifeform;lol dun have to be solitary, does it
1673036;1498057392;mircea_popescu;they give those out for free, you know, even in your jurisdiction.
1673037;1498057414;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno you'll be able to find anyone willing to indulge, so in theory not but in practice likely.
1673038;1498057419;asciilifeform;https://archive.hnsa.org/ships/img/kaiten.jpg << probably the sub mircea_popescu was thinking of !111
1673039;1498057443;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enough, i have that part ( if little else ) solved.
1673040;1498057572;mircea_popescu;i dunno man, there's many kinds of people and i dun expect to understand all, but going by observation to date the only reason people even put up (for brief intervals) with the many and significant inconveniences of navigation is access to the sun and the wind and so on.
1673041;1498057669;asciilifeform;nothing keeps the mariner from hanging out on the deck when weather is fine, neh
1673042;1498057691;asciilifeform;( ww2 sub folx -- certainly did, witness the group photos )
1673043;1498057707;mod6;i feel like that was once every 3 months though. haha.
1673044;1498057729;asciilifeform;mod6: no ww2 sub was capable of 3 month patrol
1673045;1498057732;asciilifeform;or even close
1673046;1498057738;asciilifeform;you're thinking of today's atomic monsters, mod6
1673047;1498057763;asciilifeform;( where the 3mo limit is imposed by the practical load of food, and little else )
1673048;1498057770;mod6;ah, fair point. but i mean, whatever, probably wasn't daily sunning either.
1673049;1498057783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what, you are going to have a CONVERTIBLE sub ?
1673050;1498057794;shinohai;asciilifeform must ICO gossipd, everyone is doing it nao! http://archive.is/clQo7
1673051;1498057796;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, lol
1673052;1498057802;mircea_popescu;i don't get it.
1673053;1498057805;asciilifeform;just one with a topdeck, like (afaik) all of'em
1673054;1498057815;mircea_popescu;you ever been on a sub top deck ?
1673055;1498057816;mod6;i dunno, if you feel like you wanna live in a submarine, then perhaps its time to gtfo and find a better place.
1673056;1498057827;mircea_popescu;mod6 ^ golden words.
1673057;1498057841;asciilifeform;shinohai: that dun sound like gossipd, sounds moar like http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490
1673058;1498057848;mircea_popescu;rules to fucking live by, you know, "by the time you feel like you wanna live in a submarine, it's time to gtfo and find a better place."
1673059;1498057874;asciilifeform;shinohai: ' It can handle chat, audio and video calling, photo/video/file sharing, voice conferences, etc.' << lol! over bitcoin tx?!
1673060;1498057894;shinohai;dat blockchain bloat
1673061;1498057903;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform show me pics with naked chix sunbathing on this submarine deck.
1673062;1498057907;shinohai;(has on chain if I understand correctly)
1673063;1498057911;phf;asciilifeform grew up on russian romantic literature (like the soviet writer jules verne), yearns to live on Nautilus
1673064;1498057915;mircea_popescu;just because a buncha doods are standing uncomfortably on it for five minutes dun mean jack.
1673065;1498057953;mircea_popescu;phf except the soviet writer jules verne later wrote star trek, "how great would it be to sit on your couch watching tv on which they show you some dorks sitting on couch watching tv"
1673066;1498058008;asciilifeform;i thought star dreck was mostly about fucking peculiarly humanoid alien chix
1673067;1498058015;mircea_popescu;they ever fucked ?
1673068;1498058023;asciilifeform;kabuki-style
1673069;1498058027;*;asciilifeform not aficionado
1673070;1498058031;mircea_popescu;afaik it was all about that big screen and the various people gathered around in that livingroom to watch it.
1673071;1498058043;mircea_popescu;lt commander pass the popcorn or what was it.
1673072;1498058234;*;mircea_popescu rather suspects that actually star trek figures principally as the G in that MAGA. it really was the best of times, that worst of times, for all those involved.
1673073;1498058259;mircea_popescu;"bring back that time when ''your job is to watch tv'' actually WORKED."
1673074;1498058430;phf;i have to be honest, i barely read jules verne. i think it's just an incompatible temperament issue, i preferred my romantics to be a bit darker.
1673075;1498058479;mircea_popescu;i preferred twain, but the problem is twain wrote enough for a coupla weeks, verne for a coupla months. every day as a 10yo i'd come home from school, stop at library, buy another jv book an' go read it.
1673076;1498058547;mircea_popescu;then i discovered romania actually had a niche equivalent of the us pulp, spinrad & all, so i moved on to that.
1673077;1498058568;phf;i liked twain, but he was also a touch wholesome. like an older uncle, telling you a yarn, that has a Point to it that you're expected to notice, because the uncle grins every time the point comes up
1673078;1498058568;mod6;cool
1673079;1498058583;ben_vulpes;phf: ever read any andre norton?
1673080;1498058624;mircea_popescu;to this day my idea of "who can be bothered to read "other americas" or "trainspotting" or you know, watch coffy fightin' crime for the black "homeland" is, 11 yo boy.
1673081;1498058676;mircea_popescu;phf really ? i utterly missed that out. i think to this day. what was the point ?
1673082;1498058776;phf;oh that i don't know, i was 10, so i intentionally avoided learning what the point was, i just had an uneasy sense that it was there
1673083;1498058785;mircea_popescu;ah. who knows.
1673084;1498058823;mircea_popescu;the "uncles" ie uppity aunts don't like it anymore these days, though. too much nigger in it, not to mention a very strong vein of "things are as they are not only because that's how they are but also because that's how tyhey should be".
1673085;1498058841;mircea_popescu;and so the poor kid has allergy to clothes and the black kid to learnin and the injun to sitting still.
1673086;1498058862;phf;funny how that goes
1673087;1498058893;mircea_popescu;kinda why buying the ourdemocracy pantsuit lolboat is such a ridiculous deal. the only thing you know for sure about it is that, "wait a few years, they won't like it anymore".
1673088;1498058914;mircea_popescu;no eternal vocation to socialism.
1673089;1498058987;phf;or as my mom would say "перебесятся..!"
1673090;1498059025;asciilifeform;lolyes
1673091;1498059034;mircea_popescu;mmm... i dun get it ?
1673092;1498059091;phf;which doesn't have a good direct translation. "they will soon stop throwing a tantrum" but the verb is from bes, i.e. old russian word for demon, so kind of like "they will run out of the idiotic and chaotic energy, and will eventually calm down"
1673093;1498059161;mircea_popescu;"voluntary apnea works out until the brain shuts down from lack of oxygen and the stem restarts breathing reflexively" ?
1673094;1498059171;asciilifeform;approx
1673095;1498059190;phf;https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бес#/media/File:Сказка_о_попе_рисунок_Пушкина_crop.jpg << bes illustration
1673096;1498059193;mircea_popescu;kinda the whole story of socialism, as it happens. what the pantsuits are doing is === voluntary apnea, and what happens to them is always "well, you ran out of money, so back to capitalism whore!"
1673097;1498059230;mircea_popescu;phf is it more a la satyr / jp kappa sorta item ?
1673098;1498059256;asciilifeform;more like the kind you exorcise
1673099;1498059260;mircea_popescu;a
1673100;1498059475;phf;apparently from greek pithakos (monkey) through latin foedus (ugly)
1673101;1498059746;phf;goes back to slavic mythology, but i don't know what bes is there. in old slavonic bibles it was used to translate the word "demon"
1673102;1498059804;mircea_popescu;afaik the slavic notion of the devil is muchly indebted to a) the observation of lyssaviri in action and b) the passage about jesus and the herd of pigs. so they mostly understood demons as rabies agents.
1673103;1498059820;mircea_popescu;of course, they don't really have rabies in galilea, but wut-eevars!
1673104;1498059843;phf;yeah, бешентсво, that is rabies, is derived from bes
1673105;1498059887;mircea_popescu;yeah. at the time and in those parts, wolves were a much more serious problem, and correspondingly a much larger part of culture than seen today
1673106;1498059904;mircea_popescu;(both because today's culture is mostly interhuman masturbation and because it has mostly lost the ability to reflect reality.)
1673107;1498059952;mircea_popescu;makes for much better demonography than the southerners had at any rate.
1673108;1498060080;phf;there's though a comedic dimension to the word, by 19th century you had a stereotype of bumbling deacon, the kind of person who would blame "daemons" on personal insignificant follies
1673109;1498060127;mircea_popescu;kinda how folk-whatever goes. "he had the devil in him" ie liked to touch girls between the legs and drank.
1673110;1498060163;mircea_popescu;though the last word from harvard trained Psychologists (!!!) is psychopath, i hear.
1673111;1498060252;phf;из столицы! ему сам царь-батюшка ученую грамоту дал и подписал!
1673112;1498060282;mircea_popescu;:D
1673113;1498060283;asciilifeform;^
1673114;1498060323;mircea_popescu;yemu sam tsar-batyushka huh.
1673115;1498060486;mircea_popescu;incidentally, people get all excited re the fungi that grow out of ant's heads and change the ant's behaviour etc.
1673116;1498060527;mircea_popescu;however, rabies is a much better example : the virus specifically accumulates in the salivary glands, for the ~purpose~ of being transmitted through bites, and shuts down the deglutition behaviour.
1673117;1498060556;mircea_popescu;a lot more work to change behaviour ~in all mammals!~ than it is to aflict one narrowly defined sort of ant.
1673118;1498060699;asciilifeform;toxoplasmosis comes to mind also
1673119;1498060721;mircea_popescu;you think it makes old women herd cats ?
1673120;1498060746;asciilifeform;i'd be surprised if it worked exactly same in man as in mouse
1673121;1498060759;asciilifeform;iirc is supposed to make victim somewhat less cautious in general
1673122;1498060768;mircea_popescu;myeah. entirely possible.
1673123;1498061170;BingoBoingo;Oh the desperate wishing in anti-reality land https://archive.is/j5kN6
1673124;1498061188;phf;there was a young adult novel about vampires, and i can't remember the title or the author, but it was written by a virologist, had all kinds of trivia about this sort of viral parasites (obviously vampirism was explored from that angle too)
1673125;1498061253;mircea_popescu;did it still make them gay ?
1673126;1498061315;BingoBoingo;Of course it must have. I thought that's what the 1980's in "activism" was about. Vampire disease
1673127;1498061318;phf;i don't think you could get published in america if you were to imply that gayness is biologically viral in nature
1673128;1498061350;mircea_popescu;but you can't sell your vampire story unless everyone in it is very twinky.
1673129;1498061358;BingoBoingo;^
1673130;1498061378;mircea_popescu;!~google "poz my neg hole"
1673131;1498061379;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Urban Dictionary: poz my neg hole: ; Poz my neg hole . - Whisper: ; poz my neg hole - PbNation:
1673132;1498061435;mircea_popescu;phf incidentally, it's a great thing the free world (tm) defeated the soviet union where people couldn't be published for writing things outside of the yemu sam's letters.
1673133;1498061470;mircea_popescu;it's even better that nobody (tm) is even bothered by this, exactly like they weren't in teh self-same soviet union.
1673134;1498062191;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! preliminary result of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1672101 is that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659220 nao takes <3 sec. which can still be improved further,
1673135;1498062191;a111;Logged on 2017-06-18 23:30 asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
1673136;1498062191;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 17:22 asciilifeform: in other news, a 4096-bit A**B takes approx 14 seconds (3GHz) .
1673137;1498062209;asciilifeform;because at present the base case of the recursion is L=1 , and probably ought to be 4, or even 8 machinewords;
1673138;1498062244;phf;(500 lines of ada later...)
1673139;1498062246;asciilifeform;and, unrelatedly, karatsuba parallelizes (into 3 forks) without any substantial effort, so can also speed up whatever the bare bone speed ends up being, 3x
1673140;1498062255;asciilifeform;phf: aactually thing got ~shorter~
1673141;1498062261;asciilifeform;i'ma about to post, momentarily,
1673142;1498062461;asciilifeform;>>>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Zy27g/?raw=true <<<<< ( CAUTION, mod6 , phf , et al ! the invocation syntax has changed !! )
1673143;1498062480;asciilifeform;^ veeeery prelim. version, i still gotta prove that it worx always and forever.
1673144;1498062499;asciilifeform;also can probably be simplified slightly.
1673145;1498062513;asciilifeform;the 'egyptological' mul has been removed, it is not useful
1673146;1498062599;asciilifeform;also it is almost certainly possible to have less copying in there.
1673147;1498062810;mod6;nice!
1673148;1498062819;*;mod6 looks
1673149;1498062823;asciilifeform;not as nice as needed
1673150;1498062825;asciilifeform;not yet.
1673151;1498062892;asciilifeform;mod6: if you want to test, keep in mind that you gotta Foo : FZ(Bits) ; now, rather than Foo : FZ;
1673152;1498062906;asciilifeform;in all other respects, same semantics as previously.
1673153;1498062961;asciilifeform;( you physically cannot have karatsuba or anything of the kind if you cannot make FZs of several sizes. however the F remains, it is still impermissible to involve FZs of variant bitnesses in any arithmetical operation when invoking . )
1673154;1498063067;asciilifeform;likewise 'bitness' of an FZ refers solely to the number of bits available in it, and does NOT and never will depend on their ~contents~ ( unlike non-fixed bignumatrons )
1673155;1498063113;asciilifeform;but keep in mind mod6 et al that where before you had package ALU is new FFA(Width => Width, Word => OS.Machine_Word); you will now have, e.g., package ALU is new FFA(Word => OS.Machine_Word);
1673156;1498063136;asciilifeform;^ this oughta suffice, for whoever wants to try.
1673157;1498063354;BingoBoingo;!~ud pajama boy
1673158;1498063355;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: pajama boy :: An insufferable Man-Child. About as threatening as Michael Cera and so nerdy he could guest-host on an unwatched MSNBC show. The purpose of Pajama Boy is not to get people to buy health insurance, but to get a rise out of more powerful personas. [ex:] Pajama Boy is an insufferable Man-Child probably reading The Bell Jar and looking forward to a hearty Christmas meal of stuffed tofurkey. If (2 more messages)
1673159;1498063389;trinque;scam; I don't think you can stuff a tofurkey
1673160;1498063405;asciilifeform;mod6: interestingly, there is veeeeery little improvement so far, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660607 turns into 17.7 sec !!
1673161;1498063405;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 18:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 turns into 20.5s.
1673162;1498063413;asciilifeform;base case definitely should not be 1.
1673163;1498063433;trinque;http://vegweb.com/sites/default/files/styles/recipe_large/public/recipe/images/tofurkey2.jpg?itok=E92IW1jt << ah gross, I take it back
1673164;1498063449;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/georgia-special-election-demonstrates-continued-erosion-of-fake-news-influence-in-us/ << Qntra - Georgia Special Election Demonstrates Continued Erosion Of Fake News Influence In US
1673165;1498063450;asciilifeform;( 8192bit exponentiation: ~10min with egyptological mul; 20.5s was with first-grade mul; 17.7 with karatsuba posted today )
1673166;1498063552;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: if you want to test, keep in mind that you gotta Foo : FZ(Bits) ; now, rather than Foo : FZ; << good to note. thanks
1673167;1498063555;asciilifeform;the INFURIATING thing is that, just as with the addition/subtraction carry bit (last month's thread), the compiler DOES NOT give us portable access to the upper word of MUL reg,reg
1673168;1498063572;asciilifeform;so we end up having to do FOUR multiplications !! and buncha additions, to get it
1673169;1498063577;asciilifeform;( see procedure W_Mul )
1673170;1498063613;asciilifeform;and yes, one can inline asm it. however the EXPLICIT spec was : NO ASM!!!!!
1673171;1498063750;mod6;yeah. no sewage in the champagne
1673172;1498063776;asciilifeform;mod6: understand, we're still an entire order of magnitude away from being able to so much as miller-rabin.
1673173;1498063781;asciilifeform;*speedwise
1673174;1498063789;mod6;ya.
1673175;1498064010;mod6;<+asciilifeform> but keep in mind mod6 et al that where before you had package ALU is new FFA(Width => Width, Word => OS.Machine_Word); you will now have, e.g., package ALU is new FFA(Word => OS.Machine_Word); << thanks for this too
1673176;1498064079;asciilifeform;so far this has been a quite depressing exercise
1673177;1498064100;asciilifeform;in that i still do not know if the problem can even be solved satisfactorily.
1673178;1498064115;mod6;depressing because 17.7 seconds?
1673179;1498064142;asciilifeform;mod6: understand, that translates into a YEAR or two of 4096bit rsa keygenning time.
1673180;1498064149;asciilifeform;at best.
1673181;1498064171;mod6;i do not think this is depressing, more ~expected. we're doing things typically in crystal way up above where normally executed.
1673182;1498064192;asciilifeform;( not to mention ~worthless for mircea_popescu's prize-problem of 'pure rsa link b/w 2 machines' )
1673183;1498064204;mod6;so, there might be some optimization to be done (perhaps?) once we all grok the implementation.
1673184;1498064252;asciilifeform;mod6: i mentioned all of the ones i could think of -- larger base case ( trivially necessary ), and parallelized recursing ( unacceptable in the msdos port, or on single-cored machines of whatever type, however )
1673185;1498064336;mod6;yeah, don't let it get you down. all in good time.
1673186;1498064412;asciilifeform;main thing nuking the speed is the W_Mul thing and the fact that we copy EVERY split. the latter is not avoidable given as we ban pointers
1673187;1498064418;asciilifeform;the former is also afaik going nowhere.
1673188;1498064686;mod6;you mean, storing the halfwords isn't going anywhere?
1673189;1498064694;mod6;in W_Mul ?
1673190;1498064741;asciilifeform;doing FIVE ( yes, it's five ) machine muls, in there, and 5 machine adds ( instead of motherfucking ZERO ) JUST TO GET THE UPPER WORD of word*word mul, is not.
1673191;1498064780;asciilifeform;not to mention the shift and AND in the bottomhw/tophw subs
1673192;1498064791;asciilifeform;this is all because compiler is maliciously retarded
1673193;1498064818;asciilifeform;( or, charitably, because ada committee could not rely on ALL cpu having ability to return top word of mul, or even HAVING an iron mul )
1673194;1498064874;mod6;fair enough.
1673195;1498064891;asciilifeform;also gotta understand what the F in 'ffa' means. it means that N**2 takes exactly same time as N**N
1673196;1498064902;asciilifeform;there are NO best-cases, or worst-cases.
1673197;1498064940;asciilifeform;so there is no handwave away, 'average case will be better'. there IS no average case distinct from the others here.
1673198;1498064941;mod6;*nod*
1673199;1498065802;asciilifeform;mod6, phf , et al -- see if you grasp how the thing worx.
1673200;1498065918;asciilifeform;( oh, typo in comment : '-- J1 := Remaining J of Y' of course oughta be '-- Y1 := Remaining J of Y' )
1673201;1498065974;asciilifeform;pleeez, folx, write in re typos, or any item that is unclear ( unclear is in itself a bug in critical code )
1673202;1498066153;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1673203;1498066153;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1673204;1498066154;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4243CD67258D732BF7B2965A06839BDBB5CED0F8AE16B34FC085874FE89A4396 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.139 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.139 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1673205;1498066154;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1673206;1498066155;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4243CD67258D732BF7B2965A06839BDBB5CED0F8AE16B34FC085874FE89A4396 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1021...8907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.139 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.139 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US)
1673207;1498066986;asciilifeform;wb mircea_popescu
1673208;1498067010;mircea_popescu;ty ty
1673209;1498067057;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lulzy montana "the referendum" on ourdemocracy.
1673210;1498067080;mircea_popescu;also re "small cars", apparently fiat actually makes a THREE CYLINDER car
1673211;1498067737;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6, phf , et al -- see if you grasp how the thing worx. << will continue to try to grok this thing.
1673212;1498067739;BingoBoingo;three cylinder engines are not that uncommon
1673213;1498067800;BingoBoingo;Kubota has a rather popular 3-cylinder diesel ~25-ish horsepower but lots of torque for the small holder who wants to deep rip their plot
1673214;1498067807;mod6;this is outside the spec, but just as an experiment, what kinda timings do we get if you were to do inline asm for the W_Mul & Karatsuba procedures? is this worth doing?
1673215;1498067870;asciilifeform;mod6: i haven't tried and have 0 intention of
1673216;1498067881;asciilifeform;it defeats entire point of the entire thing.
1673217;1498067911;mod6;okay
1673218;1498069161;asciilifeform;mod6: ffa has to stay an algebraic, if you will, whole, or you cannot prove that it works.
1673219;1498069309;asciilifeform;likewise, whole thing is 100% cpu arch AND endianity (!) independent, having any asm in the mix would ruin this.
1673220;1498069439;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what does 'ffa' stand for?
1673221;1498069447;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: finite field arithmetic
1673222;1498069484;ben_vulpes;huh, i don't understand this comment then: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1673195
1673223;1498069484;a111;Logged on 2017-06-21 17:08 asciilifeform: also gotta understand what the F in 'ffa' means. it means that N**2 takes exactly same time as N**N
1673224;1498069488;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, i understand.
1673225;1498069550;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ben_vulpes: f also 'fixed' !1111
1673226;1498069553;asciilifeform;grr
1673227;1498069602;asciilifeform;... just read it, probably will make moar sense than my explaining it ( and if this is not so, then it is not written correctly )
1673228;1498069693;ben_vulpes;ok ok!
1673229;1498069920;mod6;X.Z'Length; -- Words in each operand << does 'Length count from 0?
1673230;1498069945;asciilifeform;sure does, see ada spec
1673231;1498069958;mod6;ok, thx
1673232;1498069960;asciilifeform;however we don't have 0length Zs
1673233;1498069967;asciilifeform;( see ffa.ads )
1673234;1498071840;mod6;asciilifeform: have a minute to walk through the splitting of the numbers?
1673235;1498071939;mod6;ok
1673236;1498072000;mod6;L : constant Positive := X.Z'Length; -- Words in each operand << let's say that L gets assigned to 7. (since we start at 0, we end on 7 as overall length)
1673237;1498072070;mod6;K : constant Positive := (L + 1) / 2; << Now, K gets assigned to 4. (7 + 1) / 2 = 4
1673238;1498072139;mod6;J : constant Positive := L - K; << J gets assigned to 3. 7 - 4 = 3.
1673239;1498072274;mod6;X0.Z(X0.Z'First .. K) := X.Z(X.Z'First .. K); << X0 will be assigned to X.Z[0] -> X.Z[4] ? or is the 'X.Z'First .. K' part exclusive? where it'll only do X.Z[0]->[3] ?
1673240;1498073286;BingoBoingo;In other lols, which part is inclusive now? https://archive.is/ppJtM
1673241;1498073291;BingoBoingo;*party
1673242;1498073445;ben_vulpes;holy doodle, my tunnel under steve's wall just broke the surface!
1673243;1498073473;*;ben_vulpes shucks jumpsuit, runs
1673244;1498074136;BingoBoingo;Congrats ben_vulpes
1673245;1498074443;mod6;asciilifeform: anyway, im just trying to figure out if this splits the number in a balanced manner or we're off by one.
1673246;1498075697;mod6;"A'First
1673247;1498075710;mod6;A'First denotes the lower bound of the first index range; its type is the corresponding index type." << http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/12rm/html/RM-3-6-2.html#I1941
1673248;1498075749;mod6;So, in this case, it seems that we start at 0.
1673249;1498075800;mod6;and my guess is that X.Z(X.Z'First .. K) would be assigning 5 words where K = 4.
1673250;1498075971;mod6;X1.Z(X1.Z'First .. J) := X.Z(K + 1 .. X.Z'Last); << Further, it seems that here, we'd be setting (K + 1) .. X.Z'Last ; so, 5 .. 7. And assigning that to X1.Z(0 .. 3).
1673251;1498076127;mod6;which, i guess you would be assigning a null word then, also. not sure if that was intended.
1673252;1498076203;mod6;well, not assigning, just not assigning the 4th word in X1.Z; where 4th == X1.Z[3]
1673253;1498077119;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG s.nsa customers!! all outstanding-through-today FUCKGOATS have shipped
1673254;1498077188;asciilifeform;mod6: look at ffa.ads
1673255;1498077194;asciilifeform;mod6: note, Z : Words(1 .. WLength) := (others => 0);
1673256;1498077203;asciilifeform;so you can see that the words are indexed from 1
1673257;1498077241;asciilifeform;ergo foo.Z(foo.Z'First .. 4) gives you the lower 4 words, for instance
1673258;1498077259;asciilifeform;( which is WHY i numbered'em from 1 !! )
1673259;1498077310;asciilifeform;the 'index arrays from whatever' thing in ada is genius, it abolished the megatonnes of increments and decrements that litter c proggies and inevitably lead to 'fencepost' eggog
1673260;1498077370;asciilifeform;likewise the ability to refer to Foo'First and Foo'Last -- arrays know their size; and taking a slice from a nonexistent portion behaves SANELY (i.e. is a slice of size 0, and it is legal to assign another array to it, this is a null op)
1673261;1498077434;mod6;X1.Z(X1.Z'First .. J) := X.Z(K + 1 .. X.Z'Last); << what about this one where J = 3?
1673262;1498077450;asciilifeform;what's L in your case, mod6 ?
1673263;1498077457;mod6;7
1673264;1498077465;asciilifeform;work out the arithmetic
1673265;1498077474;asciilifeform;(7 + 1) / 2 == 4
1673266;1498077481;asciilifeform;7 - 4 == 3
1673267;1498077497;mod6;i did that, see above.
1673268;1498077499;asciilifeform;4 cuts the obvious way
1673269;1498077519;asciilifeform;3 cuts into (3 + 1) / 2 == 2 and 3 - 2 = 1
1673270;1498077528;asciilifeform;2 cuts into 1 and 1; 1 is the basecase
1673271;1498077529;mod6;K=4,J=3 when there are 8 words in FZ.
1673272;1498077538;asciilifeform;nope
1673273;1498077543;asciilifeform;if k=4 -> j= 4
1673274;1498077544;asciilifeform;iron.
1673275;1498077567;asciilifeform;( 8 - 4 = 4 )
1673276;1498077581;mod6;(18:31) <+mod6> X.Z'Length; -- Words in each operand << does 'Length count from 0?
1673277;1498077584;mod6;(18:32) <+asciilifeform> sure does, see ada spec
1673278;1498077597;asciilifeform;length is the count of items in the array
1673279;1498077600;mod6;so i figure if my X.Z is 8 words long, L = 7
1673280;1498077609;asciilifeform;mno
1673281;1498077623;mod6;lol, this is why i asked first!
1673282;1498077625;asciilifeform;'from 0' means that it is permissible to have an array of length 0 ( not in ffa ! but in ada )
1673283;1498077641;asciilifeform;an array of length 0 has ~zero~ elements, not one
1673284;1498077666;asciilifeform;and operations performed on it become no-ops
1673285;1498077842;mod6;so to work it out:
1673286;1498077853;mod6;L=8 then
1673287;1498077890;asciilifeform;carry on mod6
1673288;1498077928;mod6;K=(8+1)/2 == 4, J =(8-4) == 4
1673289;1498078017;mod6;guess that clears that up. my apologies to TMSR~ for the spam.
1673290;1498078050;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ACHTUNG s.nsa customers!! all outstanding-through-today FUCKGOATS have shipped << cool
1673291;1498078059;asciilifeform;mod6: it is absolutely imperative that all future users of 'p' understand exactly how this thing worx
1673292;1498078059;trinque;entirely worthwhile, for when one of us is next going through the Ada march.
1673293;1498078068;asciilifeform;so in that sense it is not at all spam
1673294;1498078836;mod6;huffers got flashed -96%. HEH
1673295;1498083831;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/IY3pD/?raw=true
1673296;1498083831;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1673297;1498083878;shinohai;lol mod6 caught it same time I did, was busy writing up the lulz and didn't see your msg.
1673298;1498087583;mod6;:]
1673299;1498088392;mircea_popescu;!~later tell hanbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jMQOL/?raw=true
1673300;1498088392;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1673301;1498093433;ben_vulpes;first full day at the helm of gentoo workstation while rough, was a marked improvement over the previous wheelbarrow's spiky handles. many thanks to asciilifeform and trinque.
1673302;1498093453;mircea_popescu;o hey
1673303;1498093636;ben_vulpes;hey hey!
1673304;1498093759;shinohai;I'm so accustomed to it now I can't imagine going back to my old ways.
1673305;1498095381;trinque;pretty cool
1673306;1498096316;mod6;i like mine.
1673307;1498096514;mod6;overall fvwm works great, and opera works pretty well.
1673308;1498096743;asciilifeform;neato ben_vulpes !
1673309;1498096756;asciilifeform;and congrats.
1673310;1498103280;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in teh shower, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9734ba893ca17c3f021b3de7ac9803a2/tumblr_oqtz43iXYU1vhnnuho1_1280.jpg
1673311;1498113483;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/3KoLj << "Dude, you forgot that this is a STEALING SUB!! WTF?!"
1673312;1498117395;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/the-poofening-ether-huffers-suffer-price-flash-crash-as-opposed-to-more-frequently-covered-service-crash/ << Qntra - The Poofening: Ether Huffers Suffer Price Flash Crash (As Opposed To More Frequently Covered Service Crash)
1673313;1498117411;mircea_popescu;awww!
1673314;1498117418;mircea_popescu;but ALL THAT VALUE!
1673315;1498117479;mircea_popescu;to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along.
1673316;1498117479;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 17:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672507 << mircea_popescu: consider dropping another 50MTonne кузькина мать -- looked, at least to naked eye, to have miraculous educational effect last time around
1673317;1498117522;BingoBoingo; but ALL THAT VALUE! << Turns out the shoes and chain were both fake
1673318;1498117526;mircea_popescu;aww
1673319;1498117545;mircea_popescu;and to think we beliebed them!
1673320;1498117671;BingoBoingo;4srs'r
1673321;1498127404;Framedragger;shinohai: where is the flash crash? https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#charts or were you talking about ETHC?
1673322;1498127561;shinohai;Framedragger: See chart on http://archive.is/7RS9z
1673323;1498127784;Framedragger;hehe ok thanks, i missed that one
1673324;1498127817;Framedragger;lol, i see :D i take my inner skeptic back
1673325;1498127881;*;shinohai makes every effort to exhaustively research his lulz
1673326;1498131551;erlehmann;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672500 << infrastructure seems more useful when people using it to show off fuck off
1673327;1498131551;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
1673328;1498132953;sina;evenin tmsr
1673329;1498137725;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2017/06/the-poofening-ether-huffers-suffer-price-flash-crash-as-opposed-to-more-frequently-covered-service-crash/#comment-102896
1673330;1498138540;shinohai;ding, ding, ding! asciilifeform wins a prize!
1673331;1498138954;asciilifeform;lol
1673332;1498139911;shinohai;Stay tuned to find out why the ETH genesis block funds have moved. Absolute pin-drop silence on that one.
1673333;1498140144;erlehmann;“genesis block funds” == “premined ETH”?
1673334;1498155590;ben_vulpes;mod6: neat recommendation; i'm working with an abortion called 'exwm' for now
1673335;1498155626;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ever try 'ratpoison' ?
1673336;1498155651;ben_vulpes;not yet
1673337;1498155662;*;asciilifeform recommends
1673338;1498155681;ben_vulpes;having x windows live in emacs buffers is very low cognitive overhead
1673339;1498155701;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it is very similar to this
1673340;1498155707;asciilifeform;( and does not conflict with it )
1673341;1498155719;asciilifeform;extends same treatment to nonemacsizable proggies.
1673342;1498155733;ben_vulpes;what means 'nonemacsizable'?
1673343;1498155746;asciilifeform;e.g. graphical www browsers
1673344;1498155756;asciilifeform;or emacses on >1 lcd panel, say
1673345;1498155788;ben_vulpes;ah
1673346;1498155795;asciilifeform;or whatever else (cad, 'gimp', etc )
1673347;1498155825;ben_vulpes;exwm puts the x window into an emacs buffer, so can eg C-x b opera
1673348;1498155847;asciilifeform;does it work with >1 lcd ?
1673349;1498155859;ben_vulpes;claims to, but i don't desire that at this moment
1673350;1498155873;asciilifeform;then possibly you don't need a wm at all
1673351;1498155877;asciilifeform;just have the 1 emacs frame.
1673352;1498155894;ben_vulpes;'tis the hope
1673353;1498155908;asciilifeform;x worx perfectly ok sans wm
1673354;1498155911;ben_vulpes;right
1673355;1498155919;asciilifeform;you just can't resize or move the 1 window
1673356;1498155941;ben_vulpes;eh, C-x 2/3 works as expected
1673357;1498155986;asciilifeform;sounds like you have no possible need for an x wm on this box, then, ben_vulpes
1673358;1498155989;ben_vulpes;but yes, .xinitrc does consist of `exec emacs` at the moment
1673359;1498156016;erlehmann;ben_vulpes asciilifeform opinion about i3?
1673360;1498156028;asciilifeform;erlehmann: intel's?
1673361;1498156033;erlehmann;no, window management
1673362;1498156047;erlehmann;everyone using tiling window management in my vincinity seems to end up there
1673363;1498156054;erlehmann;one guy even wrote his own wm, then switched to i3
1673364;1498156056;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: neat recommendation; i'm working with an abortion called 'exwm' for now << ah ok. this is all emacs related eh?
1673365;1498156060;ben_vulpes;erlehmann: looks like something i'd have to learn in addition to emacs
1673366;1498156064;erlehmann;at work, everyone who has a non-standard setup on GNU/linux, uses i3
1673367;1498156071;asciilifeform;erlehmann: here's an algo for determining what asciilifeform thinks of an x wm :
1673368;1498156076;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: ever try 'ratpoison' ? << yeah, i still need to try this
1673369;1498156077;ben_vulpes;mod6: aye
1673370;1498156083;asciilifeform;1) does it draw ANYTHING on the screen when it is running ?
1673371;1498156093;asciilifeform;2) does it know about mice, and take input from the mouse ?
1673372;1498156108;asciilifeform;if answer to either 1, 2, or both, is 'yes' -- asciilifeform won't use.
1673373;1498156161;erlehmann;i3: 1. tiling, so probably not until you order it to draw title bars. 2. focus can follow mouse and windows can float, but keyboard-only use is sensible.
1673374;1498156169;asciilifeform;https://i3wm.org/screenshots << i see FUCKING WINDOW DECORATIONS
1673375;1498156169;erlehmann;asciilifeform you probably hate plan9
1673376;1498156172;asciilifeform;so -- rubbish
1673377;1498156190;asciilifeform;erlehmann: i'm not an aficionado of plan9 -- but for quite unrelated reasons
1673378;1498156196;erlehmann;well, they are optional. they are used because i3 can not only tile windows, but also tab them. and float them, if you *really* want to.
1673379;1498156204;asciilifeform;( unix oughta have been strangled in the cradle, not further nurtured )
1673380;1498156218;asciilifeform;erlehmann: i dun need this 'can' for anything.
1673381;1498156223;asciilifeform;my wm is <100KB of c.
1673382;1498156237;asciilifeform;and draws 0. and reads 0 bytes from mouse.
1673383;1498156242;erlehmann;i see
1673384;1498156250;erlehmann;source?
1673385;1498156250;asciilifeform;it does 1 job -- reshape windows.
1673386;1498156258;asciilifeform;source.
1673387;1498156285;erlehmann;this is what a friend of mine wrote: https://github.com/plomlompom/PlomWM/blob/master/plomwm.c
1673388;1498156301;erlehmann;it seems way less than 100kb of c. but then there are libs.
1673389;1498156336;erlehmann;it's <8k of C
1673390;1498156338;erlehmann;actually
1673391;1498156341;asciilifeform;mouseolade.
1673392;1498156363;erlehmann;indeeed
1673393;1498156367;mod6;<+asciilifeform> if answer to either 1, 2, or both, is 'yes' -- asciilifeform won't use. << wait... i thought you were big on a workstation that you could use... but this doesn't include a mouse?
1673394;1498156380;asciilifeform;mod6: i have a mouse
1673395;1498156385;asciilifeform;but not a mouse-tarded wm !!
1673396;1498156388;mod6;do you use a graphical browser if needed?
1673397;1498156394;asciilifeform;often
1673398;1498156398;asciilifeform;cad, also
1673399;1498156402;asciilifeform;hence -- have mouse
1673400;1498156404;mod6;if so, do you just use keybindings to navigate?
1673401;1498156406;erlehmann;mod6 mouse-wm means mouse can have two modi. managing windows and managing application.
1673402;1498156406;asciilifeform;but no draggable windows !!
1673403;1498156416;mod6;oh, ok.
1673404;1498156432;mod6;werd.
1673405;1498156453;erlehmann;it's not? most i3 users have no use for draggable windows. the maemo wm (i forgot its name) also has none.
1673406;1498156460;erlehmann;where do you need them?
1673407;1498156587;erlehmann;mod6 did you mean „word“ or „weird“?
1673408;1498156614;erlehmann;asciilifeform what do you use as shell? i use rc shell, because grammar fits in head (actually, grammar is written on man page).
1673409;1498156619;erlehmann;but maybe you know better
1673410;1498156675;asciilifeform;erlehmann: bash
1673411;1498156680;erlehmann;urgs
1673412;1498156697;erlehmann;no further questions then
1673413;1498156892;mod6;<+erlehmann> mod6 did you mean "word" or "weird"? << the former.
1673414;1498157003;erlehmann;mod6 sorry then i assumed the latter (even though the keys are right next to each other)
1673415;1498157026;mod6;heheh, no worries.
1673416;1498157058;mod6;i misspell a lot of things too. so there' that.
1673417;1498157116;erlehmann;who of you except mp works on minigame?
1673418;1498157177;ben_vulpes;diana_coman does
1673419;1498157186;erlehmann;it remindes me of my work on minetest, years ago
1673420;1498157240;erlehmann;(apparently: minecraft clone. actually: generalized networked 3d cellular automata engine.)
1673421;1498157935;Framedragger;erlehmann: i like my voxels, looks nice... generalized CA, as in, you can run arbitrary programs in the space (or somesuch)?
1673422;1498158019;Framedragger;i see map generators, but that's something else, i assume the subgame thing is the way towards the "generalized"/"arbitrary"
1673423;1498158032;Framedragger;(from initial glance at website)
1673424;1498158087;Framedragger;oh lua, cool, is that how you write those subgames?
1673425;1498158087;Framedragger;/me ends barrage of questions
1673426;1498158123;*;danielpbarron unofficially works on eulora. occasionally publishes patches to the client. almost ready to publish a eulora-gentoo recipe
1673427;1498158219;Framedragger;erlehmann: question #3 -- any recommendations for what to do in berlin in july? i'll be there with a few friends from 5 july (may travel to leipzig), random recommendations welcome (we'll visit the nsa tower/hill, etc)
1673428;1498158270;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: do you have an ebuild for it?
1673429;1498158293;danielpbarron;what does that mean?
1673430;1498158354;danielpbarron;a portage package? no. it's more of a recipe from scratch: how to install gentoo for optimal eulora
1673431;1498158362;ben_vulpes;recipe for portage to make $package happen to a gentoo
1673432;1498158367;ben_vulpes;aok
1673433;1498158387;trinque;btw this could be turned into a portage "set"
1673434;1498158401;danielpbarron;and the way i'm writing it up, it's also a crash course on how to gentoo in general
1673435;1498158416;trinque;but then you're on teh way to an ebuild anyway.
1673436;1498158926;erlehmann;Framedragger each cell in minetest is potentially a lua program
1673437;1498158968;erlehmann;Framedragger i can give advice, but first specify what kind of advice
1673438;1498158970;erlehmann;about berlin
1673439;1498159061;erlehmann;Framedragger where will you stay? type of venue / part of city?
1673440;1498159100;Framedragger;good point, i'll get back to you later. it's not a well-defined request/problem in my mind. "shit to do at night in kreuzberg / east berlin" would count, including rave parties (sounds teenage-ish when i put it like that heh)
1673441;1498159127;Framedragger;erlehmann: airbnb apartment, 3-4 people, possibly neukoln or thereabouts, not sure yet
1673442;1498159130;erlehmann;looking for rave culture. are you some kind of rave-apologist? maybe even a gang rave!
1673443;1498159187;Framedragger;funny thing is i'm not really into raves. at the same time i have a pile of high quality mdma that i now need to dispose of, because changing country. so who knows
1673444;1498159230;Framedragger;erlehmann: i've been to c-base a coupla times, curious if there are any hackerspaces which are less about showing off and more about actual DIY projects etc (not sure if can meaningfully interact in the span of only a week tho, i guess)
1673445;1498159315;Framedragger;so like, hackerspace stuff, nice party stuff, etc.
1673446;1498159337;*;Framedragger is also curious if isis from tor is still in berlin, too
1673447;1498159351;erlehmann;i have a single, very important berlin tourism tip. avoid airbnb (and similar things) to the strongest extent possible. there are only a few faster ways to make enemies, like putting on a police uniform and visiting rigaer straße alone in the middle of the night.
1673448;1498159472;Framedragger;erlehmann: girl says "wtf, plz to elaborate" :D is that due to high degree of scams, or just the high possibility of misunderstandings? (only time i used airbnb was in morocco, but that was planned well in advance, and kinda-vetted place)
1673449;1498159636;erlehmann;re scammy: read reviews and think if an airbnb host with that name really exists. it may or may not do you any harm if “sarah” never shows up and is in fact a front for some rent-seeking dude.
1673450;1498159679;Framedragger;fair point, thanks
1673451;1498159716;Framedragger;(there may indeed be no harm, tho)
1673452;1498159720;erlehmann;furthermore, two observations, one on a systemic, one on an individual level: a) airbnb drives up rents, because it is much more profitable to (illegally) rent on airbnb than to (legally) rent to someone long-term. transients always spend more money then residents.
1673453;1498159772;erlehmann;b) many airbnb guests behave in such an obnoxious way that entirely unpolitical people living in the same house hate them with a passion.
1673454;1498159794;Framedragger;re. a), yes ACK re gentrification, sure.
1673455;1498159823;Framedragger;(or well, maybe i'm misusing the term)
1673456;1498159870;erlehmann;by passion, i mean: some door locks are faulty and seem to spontaneously fail in the middle of the night, when you come back to the ap.
1673457;1498159872;Framedragger;basically, if we were to stay for a longer chunk of time, different arrangements would be made. very-short-term... hm, hotels are boring
1673458;1498159891;erlehmann;also, did you know that frozen piss can be shoved under a door and seep into the carpet?
1673459;1498159921;Framedragger;any personal experiences there? i've heard of "frozen piss" bomb concept, yeah
1673460;1498159931;erlehmann;i could not possibly comment on that
1673461;1498159934;Framedragger;:)
1673462;1498159954;erlehmann;let's say i heard stories. or saw stuff. who knows!
1673463;1498159974;jurov;O.o my first two airbnb experiences were fine, but that was in greece, they don't mind noise
1673464;1498159976;erlehmann;basically, if you want to go cheap: go to a hostel, rent a room for 4 or 6.
1673465;1498160011;*;Framedragger notes "join erlehmann's local anarcho cell when ready" to list
1673466;1498160049;erlehmann;joke's on you, i don't do such stuff
1673467;1498160062;erlehmann;but i also don't have airnbn next door
1673468;1498160069;erlehmann;so i guess motivation is low
1673469;1498160092;erlehmann;it is just that berliners have a very good understanding of how to make people fuck off
1673470;1498160109;erlehmann;example: burning cars. if your car is insured and it burns, that is not vandalism.
1673471;1498160129;erlehmann;it is most likely a tactical action to make you go away.
1673472;1498160138;erlehmann;took me some time to understand that.
1673473;1498160169;ben_vulpes;who gives a flying fuck about "pushing up rents" because some people rent in ways not appealing to the local statal orgs
1673474;1498160200;erlehmann;ben_vulpes local paupers
1673475;1498160264;erlehmann;more generally, communities. tourists use infrastructure, but do not always pay taxes.
1673476;1498160281;erlehmann;and are on the average much bigger assholes than people living there.
1673477;1498160384;ben_vulpes;if the "community" can't soak people who want to come there and spend money adequately to make tourism +ev for the hosts incl. cities, how can they even justify continuing to live
1673478;1498160387;Framedragger;gotta agree with you, #t will disdainfully sneer at "omg, kom000nity!!", but it does suck that local communities get negatively impacted in this regard
1673479;1498160444;trinque;because otherwise they'd what?
1673480;1498160448;trinque;bitch about something else?
1673481;1498160491;Framedragger;you mean, what's their recourse / what leverage they have? yes, not much leverage at all, sucks to be them
1673482;1498160554;trinque;no. I mean if they were free of the terribru rent oppression what human flourishing would sprout in their place?
1673483;1498160599;erlehmann;i think it is not about rent per se. it is about long-term renting.
1673484;1498160625;ben_vulpes;same people who are flabbergasted when rents go up 5%, having never considered allocating for that scenario.
1673485;1498160648;ben_vulpes;"but i'm poor and nobody taught me that rents usually go up and now my living expenses and rent max out my income!"
1673486;1498160655;Framedragger;plenty of folks quite content living their frugal lives (in e.g. leipzig, from what i hear, to be particular), i guess #t doesn't think much of them, i happen to have friends, what do. if bitch at 5% rent increase, sure, not much sympathy from me
1673487;1498160658;ben_vulpes;b-be less poor?
1673488;1498160668;erlehmann;as i said: as a tourist, i probably would not choose airbnb in berlin. reason is that the strategy is working. less stressful to book hotel room or hostel.
1673489;1498160692;*;Framedragger takes point
1673490;1498160777;erlehmann;if, on the other hand, you are looking to experience tourist hate, take an airbnb in mitte, in the vincinity of st. oberholz. take a wheelie case and new apple devices with you.
1673491;1498160833;Framedragger;and emerge in late morning with frappucino and american accent "any free wifi around here, maan"
1673492;1498160836;erlehmann;a suitcase on wheels marks a person like a shitstain on their pants
1673493;1498160841;erlehmann;ah no, that will work
1673494;1498160865;erlehmann;because you'll ask it in a cafe
1673495;1498160872;erlehmann;and they'll smile and take all your money
1673496;1498160887;erlehmann;on the other side of the street the drink will cost half as much, but what do you know, tourist!
1673497;1498160894;Framedragger;yeah i guess that's basically 50% of berlin (*dodge*)
1673498;1498160898;erlehmann;prepare to get fleeced
1673499;1498160914;erlehmann;i'd also avoid berlin hacker gatherings
1673500;1498160915;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673487 << i find it lulzy that folx will happily say this to someone to whom they would ~not~ necessarily say 'kill yerself nao, slice lengthwise' . but at the same time the phrases have EQUIVALENT meaning, because at some point you are already as rich as you possibly know how to become.
1673501;1498160915;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:44 ben_vulpes: b-be less poor?
1673502;1498160923;asciilifeform;and then it means 'slice lengthwise, untermensch!!'
1673503;1498160937;asciilifeform;which is a-ok thing to say. but why not cut straight, 'to the chase.'
1673504;1498160969;erlehmann;des pudels kern!
1673505;1498161058;ben_vulpes;eh i don't see how "stop bitching about problems you can trivially solve without involving the state eg rent control, try moving to a neighborhood as shitty as this one was two decades ago when you crept in" is quite "slice lengthwise"
1673506;1498161091;asciilifeform;'move to cheaper' is not same as 'be less poor'
1673507;1498161091;erlehmann;the trivial solution is piss disc
1673508;1498161103;lobbes;ben_vulpes: if the "community" can't soak people who want to come there and spend money adequately to make tourism +ev for the hosts incl. cities, how can they even justify continuing to live << I grew up on The Cod in Massachusetts; "working class" locals were always bitching about how much they hated tourists, but that tourism $$$ is the ~only~ thing sustaining that particular sandbar. Fishing is dead, and retail and landscaping indus
1673509;1498161161;erlehmann;point is, it is not only working class.
1673510;1498161301;trinque;erlehmann: please bridge the gap for me between "country that is welcoming a flood of foreign invaders" and "omg haet tourists, I'll torch your car"
1673511;1498161316;trinque;or is it the invaders that are actually torching cars in these towns
1673512;1498161332;erlehmann;trinque refugees intend to become residents, not transients.
1673513;1498161340;erlehmann;they have skin in the game, so to say
1673514;1498161349;erlehmann;tourists are worse in every way
1673515;1498161388;trinque;lol
1673516;1498161389;asciilifeform;tourists at least burn a handful of cars and leave. unlike 'residents' who a) burn cars on continuing basis b) collect welfarecheque on same
1673517;1498161491;trinque;"I chose this" is I suppose one way to cope with the dick buried in your ass.
1673518;1498161498;asciilifeform;evidently
1673519;1498161577;erlehmann;if you understand german, i can recommend this about gentrification (from 2010) https://www.kuechenstud.io/kuechenradio/episode/kr268-gentrifizierung/
1673520;1498161606;trinque;you think the same stupid arguments aren't raised every time someone improves a neighborhood anywhere else?
1673521;1498161626;erlehmann;fefe also made a podcast in 2017 with the same guy (andrej holm) https://alternativlos.org/40/
1673522;1498161639;erlehmann;trinque it is about the specific history of berlin.
1673523;1498161657;erlehmann;berlin is special, partially because both east and west used it to show off.
1673524;1498161688;erlehmann;compare, e.g. amount of vegetation inside city with other german cities. berlin has much more.
1673525;1498161803;asciilifeform;erlehmann: there is an american-'patented' style of rent-seeking scam that is now being 'enjoyed' in europe, incl., as i understand, in your berlin. which goes like this : 1) import a horde of raping, pillaging orcs from some fuckhole 2) prohibit 'discrimination' against'em. now the only permitted means of excluding them from being your neighbours is... price. 3) landlords rake in the dough, because now you gotta pay not only for ove
1673526;1498161803;asciilifeform;rpriced flat but to put some distance b/w you and Them.
1673527;1498161811;asciilifeform;4) 'Profit!11111'
1673528;1498161882;asciilifeform;the second stage of this cancer is when market begins to segment SOLELY based on orc proximity -- i.e. your house costs moar, or less, ~strictly based on how much orc you are willing to tolerate in everyday life, and not, say, based on size, or whether it is made from brick or shitboard
1673529;1498161900;asciilifeform;eventually ~everyone gets ~same shit-flat made of shitboard, but with ~slightly~ varying proximity to orc pit.
1673530;1498161942;asciilifeform;you can observe this 2nd stage in, e.g., city of baltimore, usa.
1673531;1498161970;asciilifeform;i have nfi what is the 3rd stage. but i suspect that it looks like detroit -- which in turn, looked like berlin in '45
1673532;1498161994;asciilifeform;and then 4th stage is the 'gentrifying' sections of detroit, that are being rebuilt into masses of cardboard condos that sell for $1M.
1673533;1498162003;erlehmann;i think it is fairly plausible that the description of “orcs” can be read as some kind of blatant racism – “black-skinned”, “brutish”, “slant-eyed” …
1673534;1498162011;asciilifeform;aahahahahahaha
1673535;1498162021;erlehmann;rohirrim are even described as white-skins, no?
1673536;1498162028;trinque;who the hell is this guy, even
1673537;1498162050;asciilifeform;!!gettrust erlehmann
1673538;1498162050;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
1673539;1498162066;*;asciilifeform has nfi
1673540;1498162103;ben_vulpes;'new blood' from trinque and mircea_popescu
1673541;1498162111;asciilifeform;apparently.
1673542;1498162113;trinque;aw crap!
1673543;1498162124;trinque;and now I'm racis
1673544;1498162128;asciilifeform;trinque: every new d00d walks in with a certain set of cockroaches in head.
1673545;1498162134;asciilifeform;sometimes -- they work themselves out. sometimes -- not.
1673546;1498162157;trinque;!!v 3F2E43B45913419A7A02ED0981F4EE80C1DEF877685C5DED3BDB32D28771BFE9B
1673547;1498162157;ben_vulpes;erlehmann: 'faces of meth' also entirely orcish.
1673548;1498162175;Framedragger;rehashing *conclusions* of tmsr dogma does not do much good. (i guess counter to that is "we don't have time for proper free education", which is fair).
1673549;1498162178;trinque;d'oh
1673550;1498162202;trinque;!!v 3F2E43B45913419A7A02ED0981F4EE80C1DEF877685C5DED3BDB32D28771BFE9
1673551;1498162202;deedbot;trinque unrated erlehmann.
1673552;1498162213;trinque;maybe they still will get worked out
1673553;1498162222;trinque;I think when I arrived I thought the place was a bunch of red-pillers
1673554;1498162253;Framedragger;!!v 239BABC6689F5067B0BF7307DF8EF040B9BF1D59B457BE150A0E2A7EB3572CB8
1673555;1498162254;deedbot;Framedragger rated erlehmann 1 << new blood
1673556;1498162256;Framedragger;just to balance things
1673557;1498162260;asciilifeform;lol
1673558;1498162278;trinque;y'all can go hang out with Isis Hackersauce in Berlin
1673559;1498162282;erlehmann;well, i think when i arrive people often tend to think i want to convince them of something. i often do not want and do not care as much as other think i do.
1673560;1498162316;asciilifeform;erlehmann: would you describe germany+turks as more habitable, enjoyable, interesting place than the germany sans turks you grew up in ?
1673561;1498162336;asciilifeform;... and how about the african 'syrians' ?
1673562;1498162476;Framedragger;erlehmann: "blatant racism" is an empty label here, and won't carry the same "prescriptive power" as elsewhere. that said, maybe you meant "heuristic generalisations are dangerous" (my (overcharitable) interpretation)
1673563;1498162482;erlehmann;asciilifeform i spent years of my youth in a remote boarding school inside an old monastery building. not many turks or africans there.
1673564;1498162495;asciilifeform;erlehmann: but plenty in berlin today
1673565;1498162512;asciilifeform;so consider plox answering the q as stated
1673566;1498162512;erlehmann;asciilifeform i enjoy turkish and kurdish food, but otherwise, no idea.
1673567;1498162557;asciilifeform;erlehmann: i enjoy a number of things, from turkish military marches to turkish sweets. but it is different q from 'do i want the bottom economic 10% of turkey moving in next door'
1673568;1498162581;asciilifeform;you probably would not want bottom 10% of arkansas moving in , either.
1673569;1498162589;asciilifeform;( are they 'a race' ..? lol )
1673570;1498162593;trinque;fact of the matter is that he is not permitted to say.
1673571;1498162634;BingoBoingo; plenty of folks quite content living their frugal lives (in e.g. leipzig, from what i hear, to be particular), i guess #t doesn't think much of them, i happen to have friends, what do. if bitch at 5% rent increase, sure, not much sympathy from me << Better to be frugal and not poor
1673572;1498162634;erlehmann;fact of the matter is i have not enough reference points
1673573;1498162661;erlehmann;e.g. i rarely encounter black people when going to the supermarket
1673574;1498162741;erlehmann;Framedragger i actually meant “i had not noticed to that extent until now how tolkien tells a story that can be seen as a race war”
1673575;1498162756;BingoBoingo; or is it the invaders that are actually torching cars in these towns << Yes, so "not crime"(TM)(R) because "honored guests
1673576;1498162796;trinque;I'm still eagerly awaiting a description of these roving gangs of car burners.
1673577;1498162810;Framedragger;erlehmann: i mean, old wise men decide faith of orcs, yeah :D
1673578;1498162812;Framedragger;you may be interested in "the last rinbearer" by a russian geologist (iirc), tells ring tale from perspective of mordor on a brink of industrial revolution
1673579;1498162842;Framedragger;and how the elves with gandalf conspired to rewrite story ("written by the victors" and all that), and ring was actually a side plot to distract people
1673580;1498162849;Framedragger;fate*
1673581;1498162852;erlehmann;directed by m. night. shyamalan.
1673582;1498162872;BingoBoingo; and then 4th stage is the 'gentrifying' sections of detroit, that are being rebuilt into masses of cardboard condos that sell for $1M. << St Louis appears to want to go from 3 to 4, but uncertain if three can really be moved past
1673583;1498162876;Framedragger;'tis not bad, but read only small part. decent ru->en translation by a guy on livejournal (not joking, promise)
1673584;1498162886;erlehmann;Framedragger URL?
1673585;1498162910;Framedragger;i *think* http://ymarkov.livejournal.com/280578.html , digging thru bookmarks
1673586;1498162972;Framedragger;oh there's a .de translation apparently, but can't attest to quality
1673587;1498162976;BingoBoingo; you probably would not want bottom 10% of arkansas moving in , either. << FUcking peckerwood trash
1673588;1498162998;erlehmann;asciilifeform you mean conflict is classist, not racist.
1673589;1498162999;erlehmann;right?
1673590;1498163001;shinohai;https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mbjyk4/heres-how-traders-lost-millions-in-the-first-ethereum-flash-crash <<< Lollerz "Some of the affected individuals have already started to organize via a Telegram group with the intention of filing a class action lawsuit against the exchange, but at present GDAX's position is that all margin trades are final, and terms were outlined in advance."
1673591;1498163088;erlehmann;vice forgot to include that ethereum transactions are indeed reverseable, but only when core developers lose money.
1673592;1498163100;Framedragger;erlehmann: original url http://fan.lib.ru/e/eskov/last_ringlord.shtml ; translation url above ; older LJ link gives more context: http://ymarkov.livejournal.com/270570.html
1673593;1498163167;erlehmann;Framedragger let me retaliate: http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
1673594;1498163181;Framedragger;actually, i had started reading that one, too!!
1673595;1498163186;Framedragger;thanks for bringing it up
1673596;1498163208;trinque;erlehmann | asciilifeform you mean conflict is classist, not racist. << the fuck kind of grandmother-pleasing behavior is this?
1673597;1498163219;Framedragger;erlehmann: it's the one where (logreaders, spoilers) alien intelligence which is actually intelligent is not conscious, right?
1673598;1498163257;erlehmann;trinque “grandmother-pleasing behavior”?
1673599;1498163265;trinque;"I don't want to have a conversation re: invasion, so lets instead belabor whether we're all behaving ourselves."
1673600;1498163309;ben_vulpes;trinque: oh hey while on the topic, best way to wind up modern genderbenders, blacklivesmatter et al feebs is to "i mean sure, but isn't that all just embedded in the class struggle?"
1673601;1498163311;erlehmann;Framedragger it is the one where vampires can't do VR because they have autism and see the pixels.
1673602;1498163323;Framedragger;sexy
1673603;1498163378;trinque;ben_vulpes: correctness is a bourgeois construct.
1673604;1498163392;erlehmann;ben_vulpes i think identifying as trans-black or something might top it, depending on circumstances
1673605;1498163403;trinque;anyhow lets all just tweet now, eh?
1673606;1498163439;trinque;erlehmann: where do I upvote your quips?
1673607;1498163469;erlehmann;trinque i don't actually want to have a conversation about invasion, because i don't particularly care. i came here because of the v versionatron and because i liked the attitude behind that.
1673608;1498163501;trinque;you couldn't have come to a worse place to tell us what it "means to you"
1673609;1498163535;BingoBoingo;Eh, German's well on it's way to becoming Far-East-East Saint Louis
1673610;1498163564;trinque;the republic's forum is not "I will posture on whichever topics don't make me uncomfortable"
1673611;1498163585;erlehmann;oh, i enjoy conflict.
1673612;1498163605;erlehmann;i mean, err, discussion.
1673613;1498163640;trinque;then I ask you what the output of all your "the community" and "class not race" noise has been, in your own judgment?
1673614;1498163661;trinque;in a place that clearly worships this "following the rules of decent discussion"
1673615;1498163681;trinque;"I don't care" is the correct answer.
1673616;1498163691;trinque;put usually around here as "I just want to"
1673617;1498163743;erlehmann;i'll read the log again to maybe get a clear picture
1673618;1498163762;trinque;works for me
1673619;1498168661;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1673620;1498168670;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2706.49, vol: 12173.25703108 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2670.0, vol: 4613.48832 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2672.8, vol: 16199.38576081 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2881.518948, vol: 8264.71540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2699.1, vol: 5253.7241449 | Volume-weighted last average: 2721.40543553
1673621;1498169265;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673590 << where did the butthurt go when kraken, shitfinex, et al did same thing?
1673622;1498169265;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:23 shinohai: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mbjyk4/heres-how-traders-lost-millions-in-the-first-ethereum-flash-crash <<< Lollerz "Some of the affected individuals have already started to organize via a Telegram group with the intention of filing a class action lawsuit against the exchange, but at present GDAX's position is that all margin trades are final, and terms were outlined in advance."
1673623;1498169277;asciilifeform;it's sop, as i understand, method for 'exchange' to defraud the idiots who use exchanges.
1673624;1498169302;asciilifeform;1) 'set price to penny' 2) margin calls 3) profit 4) sfyl, tards
1673625;1498170509;whaack;from what I remember reading about shitfinex, the people with pending bitcoin buy orders at X did not get theirs completed, while at the same time people were forced to sell ("margin called") because price was officially "X-E"
1673626;1498170800;whaack;(not sure whether or not the unfilled buy orders on the way down occurred in this case)
1673627;1498170946;*;Framedragger unrelatedly recalls placing orders on mtgox and getting multi-minute+ lags
1673628;1498170959;Framedragger;(or maybe even much more, don't remember)
1673629;1498171820;asciilifeform;!#s goxlag
1673630;1498171821;a111;723 results for "goxlag", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=goxlag
1673631;1498171826;asciilifeform;Framedragger ^
1673632;1498171951;asciilifeform;in other noose, happy international-komyooniti-attacking-su-and-getting-own-arse-handed-to-it-on-a-plate-4y-later day, folx !!
1673633;1498172104;asciilifeform;http://www.may9.ru/uploads/default/images/RIAN_00760832.HR.ru.jpg << see also.
1673634;1498175845;TomServo;asciilifeform: what does it say?
1673635;1498175880;TomServo;Also, if someone could share a copy of mp-wp, that'd be swell.
1673636;1498179366;mod6;evenin'
1673637;1498181116;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673634 << i'm dying, but i'm not surrendering. goodbye, motherland. 7/20/41. fwiw ascii is smart not to translate it, english verbiage doesn't do it justice
1673638;1498181116;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 23:57 TomServo: asciilifeform: what does it say?
1673639;1498181196;phf;til, there's a "Knuth Prize" that doesn't actually involve knuth. "The Knuth Prize winner is selected by a Prize Committee consisting of six individuals selected by the SIGACT and TCMFC Chairs. In selecting the Knuth Prize winner, the Committee will pay particular attention to a sustained record of high-impact, seminal contributions to the foundations of computer science. The selection may also be partly based on educational accomplishments and contrib
1673640;1498181196;phf;utions such as fundamental textbooks and high-quality students. The award is not based on service work for the community, although service might be included in the citation for a winner if it is appropriate."
1673641;1498181201;phf;http://www.sigact.org/Prizes/Knuth/
1673642;1498181211;asciilifeform;^
1673643;1498181229;asciilifeform;it gotta be read in original. like, e.g., koran in arabic.
1673644;1498181259;asciilifeform;( re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1673637 )
1673645;1498181259;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 01:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673634 << i'm dying, but i'm not surrendering. goodbye, motherland. 7/20/41. fwiw ascii is smart not to translate it, english verbiage doesn't do it justice
1673646;1498181301;asciilifeform;lel, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1673639 a la 'linux foundation' !
1673647;1498181301;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 01:26 phf: til, there's a "Knuth Prize" that doesn't actually involve knuth. "The Knuth Prize winner is selected by a Prize Committee consisting of six individuals selected by the SIGACT and TCMFC Chairs. In selecting the Knuth Prize winner, the Committee will pay particular attention to a sustained record of high-impact, seminal contributions to the foundations of computer science. The selection may also be partly based on educational accomplishments and contrib
1673648;1498181387;phf;latest winner would be particularly deer to asciilifeform's heart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oded_Goldreich
1673649;1498181408;phf;*dear, but the other one works too
1673650;1498181414;asciilifeform;i actually did try to read'im
1673651;1498181480;asciilifeform;mega-downer
1673652;1498181520;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/22/two-months-of-vegganism/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Two months of vEGGanism.
1673653;1498181530;asciilifeform;specifically re the nphard-ciphers thing
1673654;1498181702;phf;what do you by mega-downer?
1673655;1498181754;asciilifeform;re knuth... names ain't, afaik, copyrightable anywhere, even in usa.. so i half expect to live to see a 'mircea popescu foundation' run by, e.g., malia obummer, which funds transsexualized rust programming for systemd plugins
1673656;1498181853;asciilifeform;phf: re goldreich -- a very specific and deep type of downer, where you find what by all appearances is the definitive, unsurpassed definitional stem of work in $field -- which turns out to be wholly and deliberately useless on $principalquestion
1673657;1498181860;phf;nah, tmsr is like situationists, has the anti-spectacle protective mechanisms builtin. recurepation will be in form of artisanal log excerpts and "Collected Trilema" and such for a special kind of hipster
1673658;1498181895;asciilifeform;( which in asciilifeform's case was ' can crypto be put on a hard scientific foundation - i.e. does a provably hard problem exist )
1673659;1498181947;asciilifeform;phf: i'm sure
1673660;1498181967;asciilifeform;betcha some preet chowdhra fella is typesetting a 'bedt of trilema' even nao.
1673661;1498181977;asciilifeform;or if not now -- next year.
1673662;1498181987;asciilifeform;*best of
1673663;1498182155;asciilifeform;and holy shit pete_dushenski... that post. i'ma guess you are writing these on a bet
1673664;1498182185;asciilifeform;'betcha you can't surpass taleb in militant self-aggrandizing mundanity' 'you have yerself a bet!!11'
1673665;1498182277;asciilifeform;sometimes people write to asciilifeform , 'you're a bore and pompous arse', but fwiw i have to date 0 posts about dieting. or about Eating Eggs While 3133337.
1673666;1498182794;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E499B8A638178EDF07229E9F9670AA397B3436C262293313331E1577D952D65E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1760...6387 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.104.72.92 (ssh-rsa key from 89.104.72.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (5725.ovz-n9.hc.ru. RU)
1673667;1498182794;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E499B8A638178EDF07229E9F9670AA397B3436C262293313331E1577D952D65E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1433...7763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.104.72.92 (ssh-rsa key from 89.104.72.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (5725.ovz-n9.hc.ru. RU)
1673668;1498183891;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F107A00381C3C3D03DF80FB8191F6779204BD1ADE8665F130C37E20F23CAE60 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1781...9389 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.3.22.187 (ssh-rsa key from 81.3.22.187 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE)
1673669;1498183891;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F107A00381C3C3D03DF80FB8191F6779204BD1ADE8665F130C37E20F23CAE60 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1678...3843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.3.22.187 (ssh-rsa key from 81.3.22.187 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE)
1673670;1498191973;phf;https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html
1673671;1498191978;phf;ffs
1673672;1498191983;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673565 << https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html
1673673;1498191983;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:15 asciilifeform: so consider plox answering the q as stated
1673674;1498192098;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What's wrong with pete_dushenski using his blog as a public notebook for himself?
1673675;1498192123;BingoBoingo;And it's his. Where else is he to be aggrandized if he doesn't do so on his blog?
1673676;1498193034;trinque;I knew that pantsuit grandmother had something to do with it.
1673677;1498193407;trinque;it's a wonderment things don't get better for them when they're behaving as hard as they can.
1673678;1498193535;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo has it, not sure why asciilifeform still reads my blog ? must be short of things to gripe about in life. he was never a fan afaik, this isn't news, and yet he keeps sticking his hand in fire, wondering why the smell of burning flesh lingers in the air.
1673679;1498193628;pete_dushenski;if alf isn't the exception, trinque is more than welcome to remove contravex from deedbot blogroll. i won't be offended even if i do look forward to the comments here, be they negative or positive.
1673680;1498193661;trinque;I don't see any reason to do that.
1673681;1498193803;trinque;reminds me, I haven't tried your getpeerinfo patch yet
1673682;1498193822;pete_dushenski;aha it's pretty nifty!
1673683;1498193865;pete_dushenski;at least i like it. always wondered what versions were connecting to trb nodes before.
1673684;1498193964;pete_dushenski;turns out it's quite the mish-mash out there. far from the taught controversy of reddit : "uasf" vs "core" vs "blockstream" . pretty much none of the software versions you read about anywhere outside #t are actually the ones in use.
1673685;1498194127;*;trinque to bed
1673686;1498194176;pete_dushenski;nn
1673687;1498196635;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E55CA1B7E917B94E024399179C34C1E901D8F227ABAA192B56884EE7B5783E3E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...3877 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.106.91.188 (ssh-rsa key from 87.106.91.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ddn-intranet.de. DE)
1673688;1498196636;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E55CA1B7E917B94E024399179C34C1E901D8F227ABAA192B56884EE7B5783E3E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...3007 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.106.91.188 (ssh-rsa key from 87.106.91.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ddn-intranet.de. DE)
1673689;1498197617;ben_vulpes;!!up mimisbrunnr
1673690;1498197618;deedbot;mimisbrunnr voiced for 30 minutes.
1673691;1498197620;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-6-12#3c25d973-4e22-41b7-9a50-5282e7d83764
1673692;1498197620;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-06-12 16:42 phf: scriba is not ben_vulpes's bot, so presumably the question is why don't ben_vulpes put up his own log speaker
1673693;1498197705;ben_vulpes;what is protocol for bot voice? mimisbrunnr now has a use for that.
1673694;1498199575;BingoBoingo;!!up mimisbrunnr
1673695;1498199575;deedbot;mimisbrunnr voiced for 30 minutes.
1673696;1498202955;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1673697;1498202960;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2714.82, vol: 10434.94535349 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2667.002, vol: 4624.86528 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2682.4, vol: 13155.69327291 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2879.478063, vol: 6872.40450000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2704.057, vol: 4083.80781154 | Volume-weighted last average: 2726.05217077
1673698;1498204011;BingoBoingo;Baltimore Sued! http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8080
1673699;1498204345;BingoBoingo;http://www.vdare.com/posts/dallas-like-america-is-running-out-of-white-kids-to-solve-its-problems
1673700;1498227098;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/57119F399651AE887D7AB14D176A27D35DC31AAC3A891D86CD55B1FB5ABAAF59 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1768...7593 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '155.210.1.52 (ssh-rsa key from 155.210.1.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ortiz.unizar.es. ES Z AR)
1673701;1498227098;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/57119F399651AE887D7AB14D176A27D35DC31AAC3A891D86CD55B1FB5ABAAF59 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1640...4219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '155.210.1.52 (ssh-rsa key from 155.210.1.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ortiz.unizar.es. ES Z AR)
1673702;1498227466;mod6;mornin'
1673703;1498228423;shinohai;hola mod6
1673704;1498228658;mod6;how goes shinohai!
1673705;1498228812;shinohai;Bored as fuck but good here ^.^
1673706;1498228813;shinohai;you?
1673707;1498229477;mod6;haha. good.
1673708;1498229508;mod6;i've got some testing for you if you want... probably a bit later today.
1673709;1498229693;shinohai;Cool ... that trb Makefiles thing ?
1673710;1498229783;trinque;morning gents.
1673711;1498229854;mod6;shinohai: yessir
1673712;1498229865;mod6;was testing lastnight, looking good
1673713;1498229867;shinohai;Heya trinque
1673714;1498229899;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1673693 << pretty sure the newer bots are doing the !!up dance with deedbot, couple of earlier ones grandfathered in on autovoice
1673715;1498229899;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 06:01 ben_vulpes: what is protocol for bot voice? mimisbrunnr now has a use for that.
1673716;1498230435;Framedragger;yeah, scriba sends `!!up`s if it's not voiced, and then does the `!!v` challenge (but is smart enough to stop spamming once it gets voice)
1673717;1498230607;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: i recall a thread on the tradeoffs of this approach, do you recall? link perhaps?
1673718;1498230625;Framedragger;hm notrly, can look later, but nothing pops to mind
1673719;1498230743;ben_vulpes;nbd
1673720;1498230812;Framedragger;i find one-off related notes like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541283 only thus far
1673721;1498230812;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 19:22 Framedragger: (deedbot not in room, and so bots don't self-voice)
1673722;1498231570;ben_vulpes;nifty retro hodgepodge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXkkr0REEPI
1673723;1498232319;lobbes;(+Framedragger) [15:07:16] yeah, scriba sends `!!up`s if it's not voiced, and then does the `!!v` challenge << lobbesbot behaves in similar manner; sends !!up request when it first joins #t
1673724;1498232601;diana_coman;!!up js-of-mp
1673725;1498232601;deedbot;js-of-mp voiced for 30 minutes.
1673726;1498232619;js-of-mp;hola ppls!
1673727;1498232631;mod6;hey!
1673728;1498232633;js-of-mp;this is the jaguar spirit of mp.
1673729;1498232659;mod6;ah! looking down at us from a nice tree 'eh?
1673730;1498232681;js-of-mp;this shit is addictive btw, anyone noticed ? i had to have them cut out a patch of jungle overnight and there's six confused locals holding up strange religious artefacts, just so i can catch up on logs
1673731;1498232711;mod6;haha.
1673732;1498232723;mod6;hello locals!
1673733;1498232745;shinohai;Hola Espirtu de mp
1673734;1498232747;js-of-mp;no, that's outdoors. i'm indoors. because dried plant matter totally counts yes.
1673735;1498232760;js-of-mp;shinohai: the alcohol had nothing to do with it.
1673736;1498232764;shinohai;:D
1673737;1498232798;js-of-mp;incidentally, you'd like it here. i've seen more barefoot females in the past day than during a whole week of south carolina.
1673738;1498232807;js-of-mp;and i've not even visited the trailer park yet.
1673739;1498232833;shinohai;They have trailer parks there?
1673740;1498232833;mod6;right on
1673741;1498232834;shinohai;lol
1673742;1498232876;js-of-mp;hm, that\s a point, i guess trailer park = government buildings huh. certainly the way it works in the us-liberated terra obscura.
1673743;1498232909;*;lobbes was imagining thatched roof trailers
1673744;1498232922;shinohai;With stone wheels yet
1673745;1498232928;js-of-mp;with square banana "wood" tyres. you know, for stability.
1673746;1498232976;js-of-mp;the nicaraguan border people were kinda funny, they were like "purpose of visit ?" "just for fun" then they were "no, seriously, purpose of visit."
1673747;1498233009;shinohai;"I want to see if I can call up the spirit of Manuel Noriega!"
1673748;1498233022;js-of-mp;lmao
1673749;1498233071;shinohai;"Anything to declare?" "Well I have this scrap of fabric from one of Ollie North's uniforms. It is critical for the séance"
1673750;1498233090;js-of-mp;lol thye didn't ask.
1673751;1498233102;Framedragger;irc in plant hut sounds pretty damn l33t, gotta say...
1673752;1498233135;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673332 << lmao. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672215
1673753;1498233135;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 13:58 shinohai: Stay tuned to find out why the ETH genesis block funds have moved. Absolute pin-drop silence on that one.
1673754;1498233135;a111;Logged on 2017-06-19 16:09 asciilifeform: shinohai: see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669509
1673755;1498233157;Framedragger;have you literally travelled through some jungle, js-of-mp?
1673756;1498233164;js-of-mp;Framedragger: i have some ancient pix about how that looks like on trilema im pretty sure. little has changed.
1673757;1498233180;Framedragger;ahh, will check :) cool.
1673758;1498233183;js-of-mp;but of course. they don't have pine forest here, see. what they have is jungle
1673759;1498233212;js-of-mp;kinda comes-with-the-territory, so to speak. from colombia to southern mexico it's one big rainforest.
1673760;1498233372;shinohai;In todays rape news: http://archive.is/Yd9MK
1673761;1498233402;js-of-mp;how the hell did she have sex with a 9yo ?!
1673762;1498233469;shinohai;This being arkansas, I guess Father, brothers, or cousins were previously engaged.
1673763;1498233515;js-of-mp;only chick i know from arkansaw ~never had sex befoar. apparently it's a hot land of mosquitoes and tedious religious nuts, you can't get it on inside, you can't get it on outside.
1673764;1498233584;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673366 << where do you work again ?
1673765;1498233584;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 18:27 erlehmann: at work, everyone who has a non-standard setup on GNU/linux, uses i3
1673766;1498233712;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673371 aww all teh mouse hatred. wtf is wrong with them anyway, xtg took mice pointing, and you used it.
1673767;1498233712;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 18:28 asciilifeform: 2) does it know about mice, and take input from the mouse ?
1673768;1498233716;js-of-mp;or w/e nc
1673769;1498233963;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673426 << word. lobbes also did a lot, and jurov. these being just the substantial contributors.
1673770;1498233963;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:02 danielpbarron unofficially works on eulora. occasionally publishes patches to the client. almost ready to publish a eulora-gentoo recipe
1673771;1498233984;js-of-mp;well, and chet while she lived, of course.
1673772;1498234047;js-of-mp;an phf got it to run on mac originally, and ben_vulpes is fucking up blender so it stops bleeding, and really come to think about it everyone is probably working on eulora even if not published anything yet.
1673773;1498234085;js-of-mp;except for asciilifeform who has no time for such things so instead he is writing a proper rsa to be licensed by nsa to minigame so totally different.
1673774;1498234144;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/42E0269691FDDE7DF103BD0317D427B537228DDE9CE66EBA984C6E83CCD3B5E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1019...4117 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.11.49 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.11.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mx5.diranuk.de. DE HE)
1673775;1498234144;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/42E0269691FDDE7DF103BD0317D427B537228DDE9CE66EBA984C6E83CCD3B5E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1289...7267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.11.49 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.11.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mx5.diranuk.de. DE HE)
1673776;1498234146;Framedragger;such a monstrous oligarchy!!11
1673777;1498234150;js-of-mp;lel.
1673778;1498234180;*;js-of-mp chuckles privately at all the people who will be later going "motherfucker, so he comes on at an ungodly hour, bombs the log and then melts in the mists!!!1"
1673779;1498234314;js-of-mp;but, to come back to the question, apparently everyone in tmsr is working on everything, whatever they do. because the spython being in one strand has implications both ways.
1673780;1498234341;BingoBoingo;Maybe you should have a doctor check that mist melt out?
1673781;1498234360;js-of-mp;they'll probably find a gecko in it.
1673782;1498234372;js-of-mp;anyone know the cackling call they make btw ?
1673783;1498234373;BingoBoingo;No birbs?
1673784;1498234386;BingoBoingo;Because geckos are racis
1673785;1498234408;js-of-mp;BingoBoingo: my automatic gate was dead in cr. so i'm like wtf. the handyman takes it apart, finds gecko in the control box, getting slowl fried.
1673786;1498234423;BingoBoingo;!!up js
1673787;1498234424;deedbot;js voiced for 30 minutes.
1673788;1498234429;BingoBoingo;!!up js-of-mp
1673789;1498234430;deedbot;js-of-mp voiced for 30 minutes.
1673790;1498234431;js-of-mp;they're everywhere, insistently so.
1673791;1498234448;BingoBoingo;Free resistors!!!
1673792;1498234456;js-of-mp;and low resistence ones at that.
1673793;1498234479;js-of-mp;aw shit, people down history tree will think it's "the javascript of mp" won't they. damn.
1673794;1498234508;Framedragger;is literally what i thought at first
1673795;1498234532;js-of-mp;this, my dear sir, IS BIAS.
1673796;1498234548;Framedragger;(something like, "the side-effects / leaky state of mp that could not have been contained; it crept onto irc" (i had a beer))
1673797;1498234550;*;asciilifeform lulzily, and almost polar oppositely of js-of-mp -- is in nyc
1673798;1498234566;js-of-mp;very much polar oposite.
1673799;1498234578;asciilifeform;for no good reason either!111
1673800;1498234591;js-of-mp;you mean "for no good reason, ether" ?
1673801;1498234601;asciilifeform;aahalol
1673802;1498234605;js-of-mp;alcohol ?
1673803;1498234607;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: clearly dancing in "pride" parades
1673804;1498234620;js-of-mp;ether alcohol ? breaking down that brain barrier finally ? :D
1673805;1498234628;*;phf is in seattle. midway point between new york and a jungle
1673806;1498234630;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: those are usually in dc afaik
1673807;1498234644;js-of-mp;phf: are there straight males in seattle btw ?
1673808;1498234656;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: lolwat
1673809;1498234663;*;shinohai is suddenly hungry for an LA Burrito now that asciilifeform mentions NYC
1673810;1498234670;asciilifeform;js-of-mp: hunter thompson had a thing re drinking ether
1673811;1498234689;js-of-mp;aha. ad look where it got him!
1673812;1498234724;*;ben_vulpes still boggling at the notion that dc pride would be significantly anything
1673813;1498234739;ben_vulpes;actual leather in the streets etc?
1673814;1498234763;js-of-mp;got a lot of unemployed, criminology degreed latinas nobody could be bothered to fuck at home, ben_vulpes. they gotta do SOMETHING OMG PLEASE
1673815;1498234782;ben_vulpes;that ain't the pride i know
1673816;1498234818;ben_vulpes;if the parades aren't 5% body hair by volume IT AIN'T MOTHERFUCKIN PRIDE
1673817;1498234821;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673443 "i'm not into raves i just like intoxicated naked teens with an overexcitable personality"
1673818;1498234821;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:19 Framedragger: funny thing is i'm not really into raves. at the same time i have a pile of high quality mdma that i now need to dispose of, because changing country. so who knows
1673819;1498234852;phf;js-of-mp: funny. i walked down the street from rail station to hotel, and the two outside happy hour groups i passed were talking IT. "yeah, we did some products and about to launch" etc.
1673820;1498234883;js-of-mp;o yeah. it's like totally happening and hubbing up, seattle. with tech and nology and stuff.
1673821;1498234901;js-of-mp;i know all about it, read it on the side of an old 80s mag in my dentist's office.
1673822;1498234907;ben_vulpes;gnologeee
1673823;1498234925;js-of-mp;a good dose of the conference clap = gnologee.
1673824;1498234960;ben_vulpes;seattle's got the *claptrap*!
1673825;1498234962;phf;it is though another one of those u.s. cities being rapidly bought up by chinese, so in some sense it's booming
1673826;1498234971;BingoBoingo; js-of-mp: hunter thompson had a thing re drinking ether << Nah, huffing it
1673827;1498234988;js-of-mp;quaffing, queefing, huffing, farting, it's all the same really.
1673828;1498235034;js-of-mp;phf: the funny thing is that the japanese went though this whole cycle post toyota explosion, you recall ? it didn't work out for them, so i suppose the locals have a hidden hope that a bn strong continent may end up fizzling like a 50mn island did.
1673829;1498235070;js-of-mp;i... have my doubts. parts for alf's model are cheap, you can get self-firing perimeter machine guns installed for less than a car costs.
1673830;1498235123;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673444 << no.
1673831;1498235123;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:20 Framedragger: erlehmann: i've been to c-base a coupla times, curious if there are any hackerspaces which are less about showing off and more about actual DIY projects etc (not sure if can meaningfully interact in the span of only a week tho, i guess)
1673832;1498235159;js-of-mp;not anywhere in europe this exists. it's in part excusable because teenagers naturally peacock as ~only activty unless adults make them work. and no adult made anyone work in two decades.
1673833;1498235235;asciilifeform;there was, i shit thee not, a billboard for 'brighterion: machine learning and ai'
1673834;1498235245;asciilifeform;on the interstate
1673835;1498235261;phf;i grew up on the tail end of robocop era, so intimately remember u.s. being bought up by japan. of course i missed the whole crash part, so was severely disappointed when i discovered how bland most of the u.s. urban areas are.
1673836;1498235279;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673453 << the problem here being entirely cultural. dumbass "locals" ie, suckers bereft of mobility, imagine to the point of expecting that they'll dictate others' behaviour. in serious need of public nude beatings, zee germanz.
1673837;1498235279;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:29 erlehmann: b) many airbnb guests behave in such an obnoxious way that entirely unpolitical people living in the same house hate them with a passion.
1673838;1498235319;js-of-mp;phf: yeah, japanese investments in the us sufferent from a bit of "turner buys mysplace" thing : they went home at the same time, drove a real estate panic.
1673839;1498235383;phf;seattle though still has holdovers from the neon era. japanese bars that were probably hot in the 80s, that serve purple drinks served in cocktail glass
1673840;1498235423;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673455 << you are misusing the term. gentrification is when the tiresome old women are richer than the pair of 20yo twinks, make them get out. here the pair of 20yo twinks is richer, you get obnoxious old women gathering around the church to whine about how prices are going up on stuff and they can't keep up. as i
1673841;1498235423;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:30 Framedragger: (or well, maybe i'm misusing the term)
1673842;1498235423;js-of-mp;f somehow they fucking should god help us.
1673843;1498235469;js-of-mp;phf: which reminds me, there's this thing in costa rica, "cafe con cuerpo". there's a single solitary chick in stripper ware, very VERY put off by having to talk to people and get them drinks and stuff in that gedup.
1673844;1498235480;js-of-mp;i imagine it was very happening at some point.
1673845;1498235506;js-of-mp;but today, just the cardboard airplane remains.
1673846;1498235559;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673456 << and the solution to that is to go back out, buy a dozen cyanoacrylate mg things, and fix everyone's lock.
1673847;1498235559;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:31 erlehmann: by passion, i mean: some door locks are faulty and seem to spontaneously fail in the middle of the night, when you come back to the ap.
1673848;1498235564;phf;death comes for us all
1673849;1498235604;phf;oh yeah, i've been meaning to comment on that log, but fell asleep last night..
1673850;1498235634;js-of-mp;and generally speaking : whenever the obnoxious old women try to do the group split, force the outgroup identification on her. do they wish to identify your whores as "going naked around" ? fine. let them do it for a coupla weeks then chain them naked to your audi and drag them through the market.
1673851;1498235645;js-of-mp;and remember it only stings if they invest in the anti-identification first.
1673852;1498235702;js-of-mp;which is why fake news is the name for the pantsuit party mouthpieces, and so on.
1673853;1498235709;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170623/#204 << i disagree - case in point: https://technarium.lt/equipment.html?language=en (a hackerspace in vilnius)
1673854;1498235711;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-23: [16:26:00] not anywhere in europe this exists. it's in part excusable because teenagers naturally peacock as ~only activty unless adults make them work. and no adult made anyone work in two decades.
1673855;1498235723;Framedragger;that said, i think they may have an issue with onslaught of said teenagers. thus far they are coping
1673856;1498235725;js-of-mp;Framedragger: vilnius is in europe now ?!
1673857;1498235734;Framedragger;ah well, you have a point :)
1673858;1498235744;js-of-mp;dun dun dun.
1673859;1498235746;Framedragger;.su represent!
1673860;1498235753;js-of-mp;come one come all, come ye and witness mp havin ga point!
1673861;1498235784;phf;i did find it amusing to see the interaction of two different brands of socialism (Framedragger whose pedigree i think is more of an IT globalism, and erlehmann who's german and a Berliner so he has a very traditional views that were directly shaped by ussr)
1673862;1498235827;js-of-mp;phf: oya, i'm very much settled in comfy-like for the coming lulz of erlehmann unwinding his berliner mindset.
1673863;1498235828;Framedragger;curious to hear about intersection of IT globalism and socialism, not sure, hmm. (may follow-up later, tho)
1673864;1498235841;Framedragger;"what is IT globalism"
1673865;1498235843;js-of-mp;recall the clever chick that couldn't make it ? i think he's in a much better position, for being male.
1673866;1498235932;js-of-mp;Framedragger: let's put it this way : a youthful expectation that the reason you're not doing 30s beer advertisement with the chick at the bar is because you're not speaking the right language, not because she's fundamentally broken one way and beer advertisements fundamentally broken the other way.
1673867;1498235980;js-of-mp;30s = 30 seconds, it's a term of art, most people in footage production these days either trained for, worked for, or aspire to making 30second clips of things for purposes. the ultimate art-with-a-tendency.
1673868;1498236057;BingoBoingo; recall the clever chick that couldn't make it ? i think he's in a much better position, for being male. << AHA
1673869;1498236058;Framedragger;something about trying to find local issues vs. accepting that there are irreparable general and systemic issues? that's all i got (not that it's not meaningful)
1673870;1498236089;Framedragger;(i guess i can see that)
1673871;1498236093;js-of-mp;Framedragger: not really. something about the expectation that as your penis theoretically plugs any cunt, so does your everything else fit with everyone else's.
1673872;1498236120;js-of-mp;except this theoretically only exists through a (sane, of course) misinterpretation of the absence of experience as the presence of possibility.
1673873;1498236166;js-of-mp;"just because you've never been to the nicaraguan jungle doesn't mean you'd want to" "but mp, how do you know ?" "right."
1673874;1498236239;Framedragger;aha, ok; false assumptions about the breadth of possibility (over-extrapolating the horizon of possibility, something)
1673875;1498236242;Framedragger;!!up js-of-mp
1673876;1498236242;deedbot;js-of-mp voiced for 30 minutes.
1673877;1498236244;js-of-mp;"all people are the same in that i don't know about them and all phone chargers fit each other or else you can get converters for a nominal fee" == it globalism.
1673878;1498236282;Framedragger;i can see how more experience is needed to properly attune these sensors, hm
1673879;1498236289;js-of-mp;this then powers the cringy "oh, people are making choices against their own best interest" by it globalist socialists who eg got into politics "to help people" and disover the people they're helping don't want their help.
1673880;1498236303;js-of-mp;Framedragger: there's no properly here. i am not saying anything about it is improper.
1673881;1498236349;js-of-mp;it's perfectly reasonable, nothing wrong with it. specific, yes, but thats what you get for being alive. i don't have red hair, and i don't look sudanese. what can you do.
1673882;1498236356;erlehmann;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1673846 << a type of situation, where if you are clever enough to react in a calm and decisive manner, you are probably not obnoxious enough to end up in it
1673883;1498236356;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 16:32 js-of-mp: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673456 << and the solution to that is to go back out, buy a dozen cyanoacrylate mg things, and fix everyone's lock.
1673884;1498236393;js-of-mp;erlehmann: people do have generally enough sense to be thoroughly petrified of me before doing something irreparably stupid like that, so yes i guess you're right.
1673885;1498236418;js-of-mp;lizard brain gets man out of more trouble than gets him into. except the former\s never counted properly.
1673886;1498236668;erlehmann;phf btw is there any way i could have phrased it differently so that “berliners hate tourists and airbnb in particular” could not have been interpreted as “i hate tourists and airbnb in particular”?
1673887;1498236685;js-of-mp;he doesn't think that i'm pretty sure.
1673888;1498236738;js-of-mp;"berliners hate tourists and airbing particularly and i understand how they're thinking"
1673889;1498236870;erlehmann;i often have the problem that i describe a position and then people think i support it. i stopped describing moldbug's ramblings because of that, though i find urbit in particular a quite good idiot test.
1673890;1498236911;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673459 << eh, nothing beats the flaming bag srsly now. 1. you buy a sturdy paper bag. 2. you take a good shit on it. 3. you put it in front of door. 4.you ring the doorbell 5. you set it on fire.
1673891;1498236911;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:32 Framedragger: any personal experiences there? i've heard of "frozen piss" bomb concept, yeah
1673892;1498236915;phf;erlehmann: oh no, there was no misunderstanding. it's actually other parts of that whole conversation.. some of the things you say and how you say them align with your background in ways in which i can recognize them
1673893;1498236916;trinque;I was going after the topics you were avoiding.
1673894;1498236917;js-of-mp;then watch person step repeatedly i nshit.
1673895;1498236923;erlehmann;phf i see!
1673896;1498236933;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/violence-today-one-arrest-another-suspect-at-large-for-threatening-trump/ << Qntra - Violence Today: One Arrest, Another Suspect At Large For Threatening Trump
1673897;1498236936;js-of-mp;erlehmann: i can swear such identification is not made here.
1673898;1498236961;erlehmann;js-of-mp i have never seen burning shitbag. it also means person has to be home.
1673899;1498236971;js-of-mp;point in case, i often say programmery things, nobody thinks im a programmer.
1673900;1498237001;js-of-mp;erlehmann: if person isn't home, the population density isn't high enough for jewish ghetto warfare bs of the sort contemplated.
1673901;1498237193;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673463 << i've not actually yet used airbnb. i don't honestly think it's more than a gloified craigslist made by some kids with handmade ezine cereal boxes or w/e equivalent. but the thing is i generally travel with a herd and we don't deal by the room. though in some places traditional renters do attempt to co-op
1673902;1498237193;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:32 jurov: O.o my first two airbnb experiences were fine, but that was in greece, they don't mind noise
1673903;1498237193;js-of-mp;t airbnb as just another want ads venue. but those places aren't where "it globalist" kids go, nor do those renters meaningfully compete with the rest of the market, that gleefully ignores it like it ignores tumblr.
1673904;1498237258;Framedragger;i did rent out a large whole riad in fez through it, no regrets there
1673905;1498237282;js-of-mp;what's a riad and what's fez ?!
1673906;1498237283;Framedragger;came with one mr Jawad, a local housekeeper and guiding spirit (those medinas are *complex*)
1673907;1498237295;js-of-mp;oh city, fez ?
1673908;1498237301;Framedragger;why, i thought this was a *cultured* sort of place :D
1673909;1498237302;Framedragger;yeah
1673910;1498237306;Framedragger;i guess i should say "fes"
1673911;1498237317;js-of-mp;yeah, arab world has strange relationship with seattle products, all bets are off there.
1673912;1498237318;Framedragger;riad as in traditional moroccan house, yeah
1673913;1498237326;js-of-mp;yes now it parses lol.
1673914;1498237326;trinque;I saw this same sort of "conditions worsen daily, isn't it hilarious? but I really don't care, really" in portland among the web developer idiots.
1673915;1498237335;trinque;ben_vulpes: na'mean?
1673916;1498237369;js-of-mp;trinque: ascetism is and always was popular with youth. because if the do without things, that means they've got substance yes/
1673917;1498237381;js-of-mp;all youth ever wanted on this bland green earth was some substande damnit.
1673918;1498237391;Framedragger;totally, guilty there
1673919;1498237396;trinque;very holy and above it of them.
1673920;1498237411;js-of-mp;god love them wetly for the girls sure don't.
1673921;1498237442;erlehmann;seems wotc got it right http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Substance > Substance is an obsolete keyword ability that had no inherent effect.
1673922;1498237480;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673470 << it's also not much of an inconvenience.
1673923;1498237480;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:35 erlehmann: example: burning cars. if your car is insured and it burns, that is not vandalism.
1673924;1498237487;Framedragger;erlehmann: critique of aristotele's metaphysics in game, i like it
1673925;1498237496;js-of-mp;ahahaha wtf!
1673926;1498237534;js-of-mp;i always suspected im missing out on a lot with the whole trade card thing
1673927;1498237569;erlehmann;Framedragger they once tried to pander to people like you and do arthouse gaming. newbies stopped playing, now they limit complexity to attract new marks.
1673928;1498237575;ben_vulpes;trinque: "it's all going to shit, and none of us can do anything about it, and isn't it weird that nobody wants to talk about how its going to shit, and maybe we're the crazy ones so STOP BEING SO DEPRESSING
1673929;1498237579;ben_vulpes;"
1673930;1498237588;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673477 << but that's the very thing : married "now i can get fat" old cow doens't think she should have to streetwalk because "above her".
1673931;1498237588;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:39 ben_vulpes: if the "community" can't soak people who want to come there and spend money adequately to make tourism +ev for the hosts incl. cities, how can they even justify continuing to live
1673932;1498237638;js-of-mp;besides, they had a rape in berlin not even century ago, "i sucked it enough".
1673933;1498237643;ben_vulpes;crime of having married a man who doesn't look askance at the growing fat, see also 'health at any size'
1673934;1498237664;js-of-mp;well sure. ever met german men ?
1673935;1498237694;*;js-of-mp ran into this dork in bsas, with ru chick in tow. my escort directly hit on her, and the dude wanted to review my qualifications.
1673936;1498237715;js-of-mp;to his mind, that was adequate defense to sexual preditor propositioning sexual preditor.
1673937;1498237782;BingoBoingo;lol
1673938;1498237811;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673478 << the problem is hat "local community" does NOT get to evlauate negative/positive.
1673939;1498237811;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:39 Framedragger: gotta agree with you, #t will disdainfully sneer at "omg, kom000nity!!", but it does suck that local communities get negatively impacted in this regard
1673940;1498237816;js-of-mp;let them get fucked, it's good for them.
1673941;1498237876;erlehmann;seems that in soviet america, arson is even weirder http://www.gq.com/story/san-francisco-is-burning
1673942;1498237901;js-of-mp;check it out, la moved into frisco over the past three decades.
1673943;1498237936;js-of-mp;erlehmann: why is the illustration a (bad) drawing of a fire ?
1673944;1498238009;erlehmann;js-of-mp no idea. article kind of dances around question if house owners would burn houses to evict less profitable renters, then interviews one guy who was entrapped to pay for fire. money quote: Gideon was jailed for 17 months. He hung around with the other Jewish prisoners. They were popular. Gideon says the non-Jewish inmates would ask their advice on starting businesses or trading currencies.
1673945;1498238026;erlehmann;neither before or after that article contains word “jew”
1673946;1498238052;erlehmann;!!up js-of-mp
1673947;1498238053;deedbot;js-of-mp voiced for 30 minutes.
1673948;1498238054;js-of-mp;i dun see how this is worth the read.
1673949;1498238076;erlehmann;tbh, it probably isn't. i already spoiled the singular joke.
1673950;1498238118;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673496 << you realise this isn't the be all end all. in nicaragua the flor de cana gran reserva 7yo media will run you about five dollars. BUT WHAT DO YOU KNOW TOURIST!
1673951;1498238118;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:48 erlehmann: on the other side of the street the drink will cost half as much, but what do you know, tourist!
1673952;1498238177;ben_vulpes;tangential thread in my house last night, "sure, advertising industry pushes ridiculous body imagery but a) shame is part of the toolset a society uses to hold down runaway obesity and b) the stupid lazy shits are going to leverage anything they can find to justify their shit behavior and so they took the not-entirely-senseless 'hey, lotsa different body shapes besides the CGI on the teevee can be healthy
1673953;1498238180;ben_vulpes;and even attractive' and ran with it straight to 'health at any size'"
1673954;1498238181;js-of-mp;i mean, if you're in a shithole sorry enough that drinks on either side of street are the same drink, you really have no business paying anything anyway.
1673955;1498238256;js-of-mp;ben_vulpes: it's not even the body image issue here. but have you noticed gurls in beer commercials have always been dealt 0 anxious/anyoing behaviour, somehow ? just like teens in soda commercials seem to all speedball at the same time, which is 30 seconds before camera light came on.
1673956;1498238261;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/german-police-hate-raid-homes-over-political-speech/ << Qntra - German Police Hate-Raid Homes Over Political Speech
1673957;1498238263;erlehmann;ben_vulpes only that advertising industry is not trying to shame people into being thinner, but to dull their hideounsness
1673958;1498238268;BingoBoingo; check it out, la moved into frisco over the past three decades. << Aztlan kicked them out of LA. Compton of "Straight Outta Compton" fame was ethnically cleansed of black people by the Aztecs. Note how little the Reverend Al Sharpton spoke of this.
1673959;1498238302;erlehmann;“you are fat? well, you can still be fat and feeeel beautiful, just eat shit!”
1673960;1498238311;js-of-mp;BingoBoingo: you mean to tell me little short dudes with wet backs buchered the god's children that are afroamericans ?!?!?! BUGT H
1673961;1498238316;js-of-mp;BUT HOW COULD THIS BE!
1673962;1498238342;BingoBoingo;http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/latinos-ethnic-cleansing-african-americans-in-la
1673963;1498238368;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673500 << this is not only not true, but lacks the ability of carrying truth.
1673964;1498238368;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673487 << i find it lulzy that folx will happily say this to someone to whom they would ~not~ necessarily say 'kill yerself nao, slice lengthwise' . but at the same time the phrases have EQUIVALENT meaning, because at some point you are already as rich as you possibly know how to become.
1673965;1498238375;BingoBoingo;"You really think Latinos coming over here to kumbaya with you, think again. Think you only gotta worry about Europeans, think again. These Latinos with their gangs are the new KKK for many of brothers and sisters on the West Coast. And our gangs aren't anywhere close in numbers compared theirs. "
1673966;1498238380;ben_vulpes;side thread on that thread was "also omfg the 'ad industry body image thing' came out of EXISTING TABOOS AGAINST BEING OBESE"
1673967;1498238406;js-of-mp;ben_vulpes: you are aware the lens thickens are you ?
1673968;1498238414;js-of-mp;ie, normal women look fat on tv.
1673969;1498238443;erlehmann;Framedragger very old card. but check out how name, illustration and database id align: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=1488
1673970;1498238459;js-of-mp;BingoBoingo: well, might be because blacks are ~gypos, ie ineffectual when wet and cowardly in any case. but whadda i know.
1673971;1498238523;BingoBoingo;js-of-mp: Well, I now chuckle that "straight OUTta compton" now has new meaning 20-30 years later
1673972;1498238544;Framedragger;you know you're in for some fun when the key is named "multiverseid" lol
1673973;1498238572;js-of-mp;asciilifeform: think about simple preditor, say spider. is "be less hungry" an invitation to "kill self" ? spider is certainly not programmable machine, it has kernel burned in rom and ain't learning anything or in any way changing. yet the difference betwen "be less hungry" and "kill self nao" in the case of the spider is ... ?
1673974;1498238587;js-of-mp;BingoBoingo: bwahahah i guess huh
1673975;1498238618;js-of-mp;"we'll do all da posturing you can stand with iron gold chains and clip-less shotguns, and then straight outta compton."
1673976;1498238695;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673508 << a) your client is clipping and b) that's obviously the case of berlin. when that sort of bitching is going on, the lido's long sanded and everyone worth two shits gave up and moved on long ago.
1673977;1498238695;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:51 lobbes: ben_vulpes: if the "community" can't soak people who want to come there and spend money adequately to make tourism +ev for the hosts incl. cities, how can they even justify continuing to live << I grew up on The Cod in Massachusetts; "working class" locals were always bitching about how much they hated tourists, but that tourism $$$ is the ~only~ thing sustaining that particular sandbar. Fishing is dead, and retail and landscaping indus
1673978;1498238738;Framedragger;erlehmann: i admit i didn't get the reference re id (some event in year 1488?)
1673979;1498238740;js-of-mp;and this is specifically the case of berlin. it'll never again be anything more than a 2nd hand bruxelles, that is to say bureaucracy reservation, a la wash dc. art, culture, what have you ain't gonna go there.
1673980;1498238746;ben_vulpes;js-of-mp: sure, yeah
1673981;1498238782;phf;Framedragger: hehe http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=14%2F88
1673982;1498238806;Framedragger;aaahahahah many thanks :D
1673983;1498238826;Framedragger;(ud delivers again)
1673984;1498238834;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673510 << you know how pantsuit party had a lot of support in the polls and then didn't ? german politicians are ENTIRELY illegitimate, the dork in thailand or the one in korea at least are familiar to the populace. german politruks are irrelevant to anyone and to anything.
1673985;1498238834;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:55 trinque: erlehmann: please bridge the gap for me between "country that is welcoming a flood of foreign invaders" and "omg haet tourists, I'll torch your car"
1673986;1498238867;phf;that seems like central/eastern europe thing though. almost unheard in u.s. (except i guess among diehard stormfront folk), and looks like not as much in western western europe either
1673987;1498238898;js-of-mp;phf: there's a difference in the soviet lands between what people know and what they'll admit to knowing.
1673988;1498238916;BingoBoingo;In other failed states: Illinois legislature is in "special session" to avoid getting booted from lottery treaty
1673989;1498238920;js-of-mp;i was recently shocked by this in discovering at a gathering that out of six people present five actually knew trilema, none would have mentioned it ever.
1673990;1498238988;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673514 << and especially in the way where they're better than the locals in every way. and i mean that literally, every way.
1673991;1498238988;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:55 erlehmann: tourists are worse in every way
1673992;1498239002;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: funny what turn out to be motivating factors, eh?
1673993;1498239047;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673523 << ahahaha ok this is just precious.
1673994;1498239047;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:00 erlehmann: berlin is special, partially because both east and west used it to show off.
1673995;1498239065;js-of-mp;man, you think bakersfield's not special ? just ask whatever fried out zombies you can get to not drool for half a minute.
1673996;1498239076;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Seriously. Only time Legislature and this governor have been able to come to terms was when legislature as sqashed between governor and lottery treaty organization
1673997;1498239083;phf;it's a big millennial thing, not to be perceived as a tourist. gets almost comedic, where every travel story i heard from a certain type of white girl involves "staying at the house of this local family" or being invited to "this bar that only locals go to" etc.
1673998;1498239112;trinque;"pls I have no in-group, so lonely"
1673999;1498239115;js-of-mp;phf: and you know right then and there that in any practical terms (ie, slurping some local cock) her trip was a total waste.
1674000;1498239120;phf;i usually counter that with "lol no hilton in the area, i only stay at hilton" etc. etc.
1674001;1498239133;js-of-mp;ask her about smoking the cock instead.
1674002;1498239172;js-of-mp;"whenever i go places, i fuck half local. that eases the pain of staying at whatevefr place is both good quality and a good deal, whatever it may be called."
1674003;1498239204;phf;hehehe
1674004;1498239224;phf;that is the unspoken part isn't it
1674005;1498239228;js-of-mp;it is.
1674006;1498239256;js-of-mp;THAT is what she's saying. that you shouldn't think her an unmarrigeable loose woman, beacause even though she is tinted by monkey juice, it only went in her shoes.
1674007;1498239281;js-of-mp;wtf was that film with the whote chick in indochina fucking some local dude ? hm
1674008;1498239379;ben_vulpes;eat play derp?
1674009;1498239398;erlehmann;eh, it's not always unspoken. one woman told me that one reason she fucks around would be that “it's hard to find intimacy while travelling any other way”. because, you know, fucking strangers is a real intimate thing!
1674010;1498239412;js-of-mp;!~google l'amant
1674011;1498239413;jhvh1;js-of-mp: The Lover (1992) - IMDb: ; The Lover (Duras novel) - Wikipedia: ; The Lover (film) - Wikipedia:
1674012;1498239446;js-of-mp;erlehmann: she means a very specific thing. "it's hard to get cuddled any other way".
1674013;1498239466;js-of-mp;because yes, carring her blankie is ridiculous, large teddies don't pack well, and not that many men tolerate her presence
1674014;1498239503;js-of-mp;phf: but of course the real barb in there is the "half" part. as erlehmann aptly pinpoints.
1674015;1498239544;erlehmann;later i realized that while i gave her an orgasm, i should have given her a hug. i'm so mean!
1674016;1498239562;js-of-mp;hug after.
1674017;1498239592;js-of-mp;but anyway, next time spank her lightly and graciously permit her to apologize for it.
1674018;1498239612;erlehmann;i think nowadays no fucks would be given. X Y problem.
1674019;1498239640;erlehmann;looking for hugs? don't act slutty so you get some. there are other ways.
1674020;1498239651;phf;i didn't get the "half" part
1674021;1498239701;phf;oh oh "half local" meaning half local/lalf my own
1674022;1498239702;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673528 << this is a fine statement of the nonsense. "once market is saturated technologically, 1. invent alternative nonsense criteria 2. let nonsense criteria run sensible criteria out of market". this is how cars work, for instance : the best car ever made were the german items mod 2000s. there is not, nor can t
1674023;1498239702;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:04 asciilifeform: the second stage of this cancer is when market begins to segment SOLELY based on orc proximity -- i.e. your house costs moar, or less, ~strictly based on how much orc you are willing to tolerate in everyday life, and not, say, based on size, or whether it is made from brick or shitboard
1674024;1498239702;js-of-mp;here be better cars made. so they started with the whole "emissions" crap, exact equivalent of the orc thing in renting. now all you can get are the same b-m-double-shoe bullshits, except they're toyotanissan.
1674025;1498239741;js-of-mp;phf: if i fuck half local, it means the other half is what ? how did it get there ? omfg if i already have the hugs what am i doing... headxplody.
1674026;1498239748;js-of-mp;aha.
1674027;1498239783;js-of-mp;erlehmann: this btw is patently stupid / entirely false redditism. there's no "act less slutty be more successful / happier / godblesseder" in nature. it is 100% th ebyproduct of ustards being retards.
1674028;1498239816;js-of-mp;irl, there's no prizes for the wallflower.
1674029;1498239853;erlehmann;js-of-mp misunderstanding. i like slutty behaviour. but if you want something else than sex, don't be disappointed if slutty behaviour results in sex.
1674030;1498239864;shinohai;!!up js-of-mp
1674031;1498239864;deedbot;js-of-mp voiced for 30 minutes.
1674032;1498239897;js-of-mp;its not a matter of like. it is a matter of the dorky reductionism, "oh, slut gives up on everything for sex". this isn\'t taking holy orders.
1674033;1498239905;js-of-mp;slut WILL be your boss.
1674034;1498239932;erlehmann;worst story of that type was that i once got a lecture how prostitution is bad, because the woman who told me that had done it and never found love (abridged, but probably truthful enough). meanwhile, other people rather fuck for money than work as a waiter.
1674035;1498239949;js-of-mp;the woman lied about being a whore.
1674036;1498239969;js-of-mp;any even moderately competent whore will get a "twu wuv" idiot each season.
1674037;1498239996;js-of-mp;there's no exception to this rule and i think i know more whores than any representative ever knew of his electoral basis.
1674038;1498240015;erlehmann;i guess the point was that she did not catch feelings. i know that type and keep away now.
1674039;1498240037;js-of-mp;next time idle chatterbags make that claim, point out to them that you once fixed a shower head yet you don't go around trying to pass for handyman in social situations.
1674040;1498240084;js-of-mp;working girl works. twelve a day every day, not "oh i was in this ambiguous situation about paying the toll at the booth once"
1674041;1498240157;phf;we have a particular friend hoe. she's fucked up most of the time (alcohol and psychedelics), traveled across the world off the money she makes. running joke is that she's taken over by ishtar, and she's having all these crazy amazing experiences while being only half conscious of it. "got fucked up in mumbai, ended up in a hat of a holy man in himalayas. good lay. xoxo" etc.
1674042;1498240162;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673533 << do you prefer auslander ? or what is it in berlin idish, "tourist" ?
1674043;1498240162;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:06 erlehmann: i think it is fairly plausible that the description of “orcs” can be read as some kind of blatant racism – “black-skinned”, “brutish”, “slant-eyed” …
1674044;1498240195;js-of-mp;phf: haha nb.
1674045;1498240272;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673548 << how do you mean ?
1674046;1498240272;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:09 Framedragger: rehashing *conclusions* of tmsr dogma does not do much good. (i guess counter to that is "we don't have time for proper free education", which is fair).
1674047;1498240308;erlehmann;js-of-mp i don't particularly care. germans weirdly enough use “refugees” (older german: „flüchtling“ newer german: “geflüchtete”). i finally understood the orc metaphor, that was the point of the statement.
1674048;1498240318;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673558 <<< aaahahaha championship sendoff entry.
1674049;1498240318;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:11 trinque: y'all can go hang out with Isis Hackersauce in Berlin
1674050;1498240378;js-of-mp;erlehmann: there's no real spec to orcdom, visually, beyond "no good". it's actually a pretty interesting concept, anthropologically, because of its marked similarities to beauty.
1674051;1498240395;js-of-mp;ie, aculturated agents claim awareness can't meaningfully produce ideal etc.
1674052;1498240429;erlehmann;next up: Framedragger comes to town, ends up in bed with jacob applebaum, writes seven blog posts about it because that is what j.k. rowling did (right?).
1674053;1498240441;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1674050 in iirc old trilema it was proposed as 'people with no indoorvoice'
1674054;1498240441;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 17:52 js-of-mp: erlehmann: there's no real spec to orcdom, visually, beyond "no good". it's actually a pretty interesting concept, anthropologically, because of its marked similarities to beauty.
1674055;1498240467;*;js-of-mp spent some time playing social game with this, "has green skin and long ears" "isn't that a greenskin ?" "uhhh"
1674056;1498240495;js-of-mp;asciilifeform: yeah, but how visual is that.
1674057;1498240561;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673560 << i would. i would also describe new mexico or texas with the wetbacks as more hospitable, habitable etc than without.
1674058;1498240561;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:11 asciilifeform: erlehmann: would you describe germany+turks as more habitable, enjoyable, interesting place than the germany sans turks you grew up in ?
1674059;1498240587;js-of-mp;note that if you can't come up with a good novel IT ISN'T THE FAULT OF THE WOMAN EMPTYING YOUR BASKET.
1674060;1498240618;js-of-mp;i think every domestic slave of every cramped up writer got screamed at least once in her life out of the dude's pure frustration at his own inability.
1674061;1498240629;js-of-mp;if berlin scene is dead it's not because the turks came in and did the dishes.
1674062;1498240636;asciilifeform;js-of-mp: you visited the sans- ? with.. time machine?!
1674063;1498240647;asciilifeform;( re texas )
1674064;1498240653;js-of-mp;my time machine works better than your c machine!
1674065;1498240660;asciilifeform;apparently
1674066;1498240676;trinque;it is factual that the non-pussified mexican culture is a huge boon for texas.
1674067;1498240677;js-of-mp;texas sans would be ~penn.
1674068;1498240737;*;asciilifeform thinks of mexico , inevitably immediately thinks also about icepick
1674069;1498240768;js-of-mp;i really recommend hanging out with some tattood short dudes from whicever gang is locally available.
1674070;1498240779;js-of-mp;you will come out with a better impression of manhood generally.
1674071;1498240805;erlehmann;but why short dude?
1674072;1498240815;js-of-mp;well mexicans, whadda ya want.
1674073;1498240825;trinque;they work their asses off for one, and that goes straight up to the business-owner ones.
1674074;1498240831;asciilifeform;betcha there are tall aztecs ~somewhere~
1674075;1498240836;trinque;omg racis
1674076;1498240839;js-of-mp;but we are discussing mexicans specifically.
1674077;1498240854;js-of-mp;ie, hang out with puerto ricans, you're jus tseeing 2nd hand new york.
1674078;1498240867;js-of-mp;and god damned their music is god-awful omfg.
1674079;1498240881;erlehmann;trinque omg raCIS-male!!!
1674080;1498240892;js-of-mp;lol
1674081;1498240976;erlehmann;on that note, my pronouns are haltstopp and blitzkrieg
1674082;1498240991;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673567 << i collect the bottom 10% of all sorts of places. young females are eminently educable, and the poorer the better.
1674083;1498240991;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:15 asciilifeform: erlehmann: i enjoy a number of things, from turkish military marches to turkish sweets. but it is different q from 'do i want the bottom economic 10% of turkey moving in next door'
1674084;1498241020;asciilifeform;erlehmann: mine are 'hande hoch' and русс здавайс
1674085;1498241022;erlehmann;because poor → no illusions about self-worth?
1674086;1498241030;js-of-mp;poverty is not some sort of predictor of prospective failure in my experience. just a summary of historical failure.
1674087;1498241061;js-of-mp;erlehmann: well, not really, no. vanity comes in valupacks at any price point. but because, if nothing else, hungry.
1674088;1498241073;js-of-mp;hunger is good, as it is the only true antithesis of indolence.
1674089;1498241078;asciilifeform;js-of-mp collects plutonium from sea water. sailor - drowns in sea. both work with sea!111
1674090;1498241095;js-of-mp;asciilifeform: so we could say that the problem wit htheir being poor is your being poor too ?
1674091;1498241103;js-of-mp;this is eminently true, and especially of today's berlin.
1674092;1498241115;erlehmann;asciilifeform totally unrelated, what is your opinion about compose key?
1674093;1498241126;erlehmann;in terms of machine being predictable etc.
1674094;1498241131;asciilifeform;erlehmann: wassat
1674095;1498241148;asciilifeform;js-of-mp: was in re '10% females'
1674096;1498241162;js-of-mp;no, i know. that's what i mean.
1674097;1498241177;erlehmann;asciilifeform kind of mod key: 1. press compose key. 2. press at least two other keys in succession 3. get glyph that makes sense
1674098;1498241184;js-of-mp;barefoot never-ever-seen-tampons female will still think highly of self in her own village.
1674099;1498241193;erlehmann;asciilifeform so for example compose and - and > makes →
1674100;1498241200;asciilifeform;erlehmann: i dun like modals
1674101;1498241201;erlehmann;asciilifeform but compose C C C P makes ☭
1674102;1498241205;asciilifeform;but matter of taste
1674103;1498241233;asciilifeform;erlehmann: i'd rather hit 'altgraph meta c' and get same or etc
1674104;1498241237;erlehmann;modality is limited, that's why i asked
1674105;1498241251;js-of-mp;google item, mouse-paste the product!
1674106;1498241251;asciilifeform;i dun like sticky modes.
1674107;1498241259;erlehmann;also most compose key sequences are just overlaying of characters, compose + - makes ±
1674108;1498241289;asciilifeform;erlehmann: you'd be surprised re how rarely i need or want hieroglyphs
1674109;1498241308;asciilifeform;i live with cyrillic but that's it
1674110;1498241430;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673576 << mostly north african french from what i could discern. for some reason it was a big deal political gesture in like algiers.
1674111;1498241430;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 20:19 trinque: I'm still eagerly awaiting a description of these roving gangs of car burners.
1674112;1498241453;js-of-mp;possibvly modern day equiv of roman "slaughtering cattle" , in the sense that car's white man's camel or something
1674113;1498241471;js-of-mp;but then it got postmodernified, so not very specific anymoar.
1674114;1498241520;js-of-mp;anyway, item goes around with 10-20-50 MJ, it's only sensible to try and FOAD it .
1674115;1498241523;phf;(somewhat related, the battle of algiers is a cool movie on the subject of why burn cars. i suspect that same car burning tactic was later adopted by the ira)
1674116;1498241538;js-of-mp;possibru
1674117;1498241547;*;js-of-mp very far from expert on teh behaviour
1674118;1498241561;asciilifeform;problem wit htheir being poor is your being poor too ? << too poor to build perfectly impermeable membrane against'em, aha
1674119;1498241576;js-of-mp;asciilifeform: women exist to be used not chained up in the basement.
1674120;1498241584;asciilifeform;realize, i dun want'em for anything. no more than mice, fleas
1674121;1498241589;js-of-mp;and why not ?
1674122;1498241615;js-of-mp;could build flea circus. you know the story of the ancient alf-sheik who had ant thread gemstone ?
1674123;1498241622;asciilifeform;because не культурные
1674124;1498241650;asciilifeform;i'll leave the flea circuses to magicians like js-of-mp
1674125;1498241651;js-of-mp;what's the difference between that and "i won't talk to the girl at the bar because wrong kind of music is currently playing" ?
1674126;1498241656;phf;my north ireland friend tells me that the burning car was a kind of symbol of terror when she was growing up. it wasn't so much about the car itself, it's the fact that around where it was burned there were probably going to be ira militants ready to "check your papers"
1674127;1498241672;asciilifeform;!!up js-of-mp
1674128;1498241672;deedbot;js-of-mp voiced for 30 minutes.
1674129;1498241723;js-of-mp;phf: yes, it's an anti-state pillar, for sure. smoke visible from distance, etc.
1674130;1498241725;asciilifeform;js-of-mp: because the wrongmusic plays not at the bar, but permanently on her face..
1674131;1498241733;asciilifeform;i fucking hate cowfaces.
1674132;1498241742;js-of-mp;asciilifeform: they all grip the same from behind...
1674133;1498241749;asciilifeform;this - possibly
1674134;1498241761;phf;driving on a one way street, through the woods, a car burning in the distance. "oh shit"
1674135;1498241772;js-of-mp;asciilifeform: confounding dumb and poor is subversive in this discussion.
1674136;1498241776;asciilifeform;i hear sow also quite like same from behind..
1674137;1498241987;js-of-mp;who do you hear this from ?
1674138;1498241993;js-of-mp;pig penis quite unlike o fman
1674139;1498242013;*;shinohai is under tornado watch, opens a bottle of wine to celebrate ....
1674140;1498242033;asciilifeform;this yes. figured in one of lomachinsky's anatomist tales even
1674141;1498242037;js-of-mp;in proper tornado, bottle drinks you!
1674142;1498242042;shinohai;:D
1674143;1498242083;*;asciilifeform currently marveling at the turdworldification of nyc
1674144;1498242083;mod6;hah
1674145;1498242092;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673621 same place just about.
1674146;1498242092;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 22:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673590 << where did the butthurt go when kraken, shitfinex, et al did same thing?
1674147;1498242097;asciilifeform;crumbling cement absolutely everywhere
1674148;1498242114;asciilifeform;sewer gas also
1674149;1498242131;js-of-mp;asciilifeform: backm in the 80s, the fashionable thing to say was "the city's a toilet, moving to whiteplains". well... THEY HAD NO IDEA THEN
1674150;1498242145;asciilifeform;aaha
1674151;1498242215;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673627 << lel. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Agribble+%22You+could+have+sent+a+bitcoin+from%22
1674152;1498242215;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 22:35 Framedragger unrelatedly recalls placing orders on mtgox and getting multi-minute+ lags
1674153;1498242255;asciilifeform;goxlag archipelag!111
1674154;1498242384;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1673655 << not a matter of copyright. there's specific protections, you can't make the jodie foster foundation etc.
1674155;1498242384;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 01:35 asciilifeform: re knuth... names ain't, afaik, copyrightable anywhere, even in usa.. so i half expect to live to see a 'mircea popescu foundation' run by, e.g., malia obummer, which funds transsexualized rust programming for systemd plugins
1674156;1498242415;asciilifeform;can if you find 'own' jodie f, neh?
1674157;1498242433;asciilifeform;'not this mircea, that one'
1674158;1498242455;js-of-mp;ah, that iirc already exists, wikitards found some $rando.
1674159;1498242461;js-of-mp;amusement of the week
1674160;1498242485;asciilifeform;aha! so it'll be 'his' foundation
1674161;1498242536;js-of-mp;lol, the dubious fortune of being also called pacepa.
1674162;1498242577;asciilifeform;whossat
1674163;1498242620;js-of-mp;highest ranking deserter in eastern bloc, ro spymaster
1674164;1498242634;asciilifeform;ah hm him
1674165;1498242669;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1673684 << aha. the summer of forks caught a little bit of a spell of relfection, ended up hitting home.
1674166;1498242669;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 04:59 pete_dushenski: turns out it's quite the mish-mash out there. far from the taught controversy of reddit : "uasf" vs "core" vs "blockstream" . pretty much none of the software versions you read about anywhere outside #t are actually the ones in use.
1674167;1498242696;js-of-mp;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1673693 << what do you mean ?
1674168;1498242696;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 06:01 ben_vulpes: what is protocol for bot voice? mimisbrunnr now has a use for that.
1674169;1498242708;js-of-mp;can voice self whenevers.
1674170;1498242776;js-of-mp;aaand with that, i shall bid you lot a very good weekend and laters!
1674171;1498242789;ben_vulpes;yeah, Framedragger got me ther
1674172;1498242790;shinohai;Hasta luego js-of-mp
1674173;1498242802;asciilifeform;goodnight js-of-mp
1674174;1498242803;ben_vulpes;bit of state to manage, since the thing sits in umpteen channels with umpteen different voice models
1674175;1498242828;ben_vulpes;later!
1674176;1498242847;trinque;js-of-mp: cya!
1674177;1498244765;BingoBoingo;Now to wait and see if key holding mp comes back to confirm autheticity of jaguar spirit, lest jaguar spirit be some sort of shitty chameleon spirit
1674178;1498249993;lobbes;or lest Jaguar Spirit MP be some sort of Javascript MP. Stay tuned to find out, folx!
1674179;1498252136;BingoBoingo;Well the spirit identified as jaguar
1674180;1498252161;BingoBoingo;Have to assume it is because of the fyiad rule
1674181;1498252229;shinohai;We could have easily determined if it was javascript MP by asking it to return random integers.
1674182;1498252310;BingoBoingo;lmfao
1674183;1498255897;shinohai;I pushed for them to name it after Preet, but failed: http://archive.is/niVnw
1674184;1498259439;lobbes;in other news, I'm happy to report my FUCKGOATS has arrived!
1674185;1498259441;lobbes;I plan to wrap my brain around, and then run the recommended tests; will report results once I do
1674186;1498259919;shinohai;\o/
1674187;1498260601;asciilifeform;congrats lobbes !!
1674188;1498265869;mod6;lobbes: cool!
1674189;1498267239;sina;mornin tmsr
1674190;1498268338;mod6;how goes/
1674191;1498268714;sina;mod6: heya, not too bad, working on a gossipd impl!
1674192;1498268742;sina;been working on it all week really
1674193;1498268747;sina;lots of fun
1674194;1498269628;sina;its not finished yet, but I just completed the "server" portion of the daemon the next piece is to start on the "client" that connects to peers, generates RSA keys, sends bogus challenges
1674195;1498269632;sina;https://github.com/sinner-/gossipd
1674196;1498269710;*;shinohai applauds sina for not writing it in golang ....
1674197;1498269740;sina;lol
1674198;1498269761;sina;shinohai: I was definitely thinking about it. there is a lot to be said for the strong typing and forced error checking which makes the program more robust
1674199;1498269858;sina;anyway I am hoping to have a decent complete implementation done by tomorrow-ish
1674200;1498269934;trinque;https://github.com/sinner-/gossipd/blob/master/gossipd/util/gpg.py#L3 << I lul'd
1674201;1498269955;sina;heh
1674202;1498269981;trinque;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ << not following the thread then?
1674203;1498269996;sina;I need to complete the client part for that so I can flesh out the key handling
1674204;1498269997;trinque;what you've got there looks like a tcp-gpg-wad hucker
1674205;1498270067;sina;I'm working on the spec per the blog post, the thread had a lot of stuff on which there wasn't a consensus yet
1674206;1498270141;trinque;cool, was just curious which gossipd you meant.
1674207;1498270146;sina;trinque: is there anything from the thread you think was agreed that materially modifies the spec in post? I figured mp would have updated if so
1674208;1498270166;sina;yeah fair
1674209;1498270502;sina;going to get some food and chill out for a bit, any feedback would be appreciated
1674210;1498270518;trinque;there was for example the lighthouse concept; asciilifeform has also spoken of using the luby fountain algorithm over iirc either udp or raw IP packets.
1674211;1498270532;trinque;!#s luby
1674212;1498270533;a111;22 results for "luby", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=luby
1674213;1498270589;trinque;guy can speak for himself, but I'm sure these items await his "P"
1674214;1498270602;trinque;doesn't prevent anybody else from fiddling in his own shop
1674215;1498272711;sina;ah yeah I do remember reading the lighthouse comments
1674216;1498272750;sina;trinque: my problem is I don't have an original bone in my body, so short of a well described (enough) spec I have a lot of trouble
1674217;1498272774;sina;my impl is more "hey, here is a spec I can implement for some funtimes" than "hey, here is a useful thing"
1674218;1498273810;sina;just going through those comments again trinque, e.g. http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119015 "One possible cut of the Gordian Knot re: my "enemy's ability to trigger a response from a suspected-node on demand" would be for every node to have a "lighthouse" - an always-on broadcaster of authentication challenge strings." per the spec I will be implementing this
1674219;1498273842;sina;"Unsolicited challenge strings will also be sent, at intervals and to destinations specified by the operator."
1674220;1498273914;sina;although tbh I don't fully understand the purpose because if someone is watching the wire, they will see the session never gets fully established
1674221;1498274828;sina;some win10 src got leaked https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/23/windows_10_leak/
1674222;1498278675;sina;out for a bit
1674223;1498278982;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D4CC8C588478D718F17A4243FCFFAB346D3374D857651FE5E18943D56623C46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1380...0109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.81.243.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.81.243.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vz265.worldserver.net. DE)
1674224;1498278982;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D4CC8C588478D718F17A4243FCFFAB346D3374D857651FE5E18943D56623C46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1734...2487 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.81.243.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.81.243.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vz265.worldserver.net. DE)
1674225;1498279654;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1674226;1498279661;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2703.83, vol: 8180.10512074 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2657.199, vol: 3153.9575 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2688.5, vol: 7827.96099297 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2891.834538, vol: 5663.30470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2682.525, vol: 3123.89985527 | Volume-weighted last average: 2729.98805555
1674227;1498280601;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EB8C93FE2651B21232B43D564E9A7DFE74FD6D6D05601D764DB53427886CA9C4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1501...9849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.42.121.66 (ssh-rsa key from 195.42.121.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (archtest.tuxtools.net. DE)
1674228;1498280602;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EB8C93FE2651B21232B43D564E9A7DFE74FD6D6D05601D764DB53427886CA9C4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1792...8753 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.42.121.66 (ssh-rsa key from 195.42.121.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (archtest.tuxtools.net. DE)
1674229;1498326222;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/phHeR/?raw=true
1674230;1498326222;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1674231;1498336316;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/bitcoin-latecomers-try-pumping-blockchain-info-flush-with-fiat-cash/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Latecomers Try Pumping Blockchain.info Flush With Fiat Cash
1674232;1498336893;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo o7
1674233;1498336935;shinohai;(also appears I forgot to close the SFYL tag with )
1674234;1498337685;erlehmann;http://trilema.com/2014/consent-is-a-myth-lets-see-how-it-came-to-be/ << i did not know what to make of mp's idiosyncratic writing style at first, but this what i'll show people if they question the “queer zine for the 1%” line.
1674235;1498337722;erlehmann;safe, sane, consensual (choose max. 2)
1674236;1498344229;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ty fxd
1674237;1498344637;shinohai;Alo BingoBoingo in your "Violence Today" piece ... s/is still after/is still at
1674238;1498344640;shinohai;*also
1674239;1498344695;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1674240;1498344925;shinohai;A "we did it reddit" occurred when Coinbase announced they will be making ppl that called on the ETH crash whole, but not really qntrable.
1674241;1498345154;BingoBoingo;Define "whole"
1674242;1498345313;shinohai;Ah ha! Well, terms and conditions *do* apply it appears.
1674243;1498345660;BingoBoingo;Conditions like "Margin call"
1674244;1498346065;shinohai;https://blog.gdax.com/eth-usd-trading-update-2-216a3b946ef6
1674245;1498346766;shinohai;And in whoreticulture fails: http://archive.is/YbBku
1674246;1498347499;BingoBoingo;shinohai: That was on Qntra last year, except for the Arkansas ban part. good find, will qntra
1674247;1498352238;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/arkansas-plant-board-sends-emergency-dicamba-ban-to-governor-amid-continued-dicamba-destruction-xtend-tmr/ << Qntra - Arkansas Plant Board Sends Emergency Dicamba Ban To Governor Amid "Continued Dicamba Destruction Xtend (TM)(R)"
1674248;1498354289;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/285C553D5DB91235A671C47926806E67DA594D9F9DD0955D8B4C27E98DA9BB73 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1603...0343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '141.22.32.74 (ssh-rsa key from 141.22.32.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vdrm740.ful.informatik.haw-hamburg.de. DE HH)
1674249;1498354290;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/285C553D5DB91235A671C47926806E67DA594D9F9DD0955D8B4C27E98DA9BB73 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1352...9359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '141.22.32.74 (ssh-rsa key from 141.22.32.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HH)
1674250;1498359580;mod6;evenin'
1674251;1498359587;sina;hiya mod6
1674252;1498359599;mod6;how goes?
1674253;1498359621;sina;not bad just got home from eating some breakfast dumplings
1674254;1498359632;sina;and you sir
1674255;1498359661;sina;was kind of hoping mp would be around as I have a few gossipd questions
1674256;1498359770;mod6;ah right on. just doing trb related testing :]
1674257;1498359800;sina;hows that goin
1674258;1498359816;mod6;so far, good!
1674259;1498361370;mod6;sina: if you wish, you can always ask your question, and im sure it'll get read in the logs. someone will get back to you eventually.
1674260;1498361514;sina;good point
1674261;1498361675;sina;I. Gossipd will have access to a read-onlyii databaseiii of identitiesiv known to it.
1674262;1498361721;sina;but per the next specification sentence, the client will be generating keys constantly and potentially assigning them to use when connecting to a peer
1674263;1498361746;sina;it also states later that clients should keep track of last seen info
1674264;1498361757;sina;so really the list of identities needs to be mutable?
1674265;1498361797;sina;you might roll the key you're using to talk to a particular peer, or want to update its last seen status
1674266;1498365523;BingoBoingo;In other news pete_dushenski was right, I probably should learn how to ride a mundane slave-bicycle before putting more effort into motorcycle learning
1674267;1498365604;BingoBoingo;Or play around on one of those 50cc 2-cycle scooters to orient self to 2 wheeled sense of balance
1674268;1498365913;sina;BingoBoingo: did you hurt yourself
1674269;1498366073;BingoBoingo;Nah, had fun playing around on motorbike. Came to realize that the physics of 4-wheels have thoroughly colonized and corrupted my mind, and advancing further than burnouts would benefit from attuning inner ear to two wheeled physics.
1674270;1498366093;BingoBoingo;But burnouts on motorcycle are wicked easy.
1674271;1498366114;BingoBoingo;So much braking power on front wheel!
1674272;1498366127;sina;finally, you got the breaking power you truly need!
1674273;1498366293;BingoBoingo;Funny thing is the vehicle played with would have been perfect for crossing Darien gap
1674274;1498366520;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662579 << Machine in question
1674275;1498366520;a111;Logged on 2017-05-26 03:39 BingoBoingo: In other research, OMG A TWO WHEELED TRACTOR!!! https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/yamaha/2016-2017-yamaha-tw200-ar171244.html
1674276;1498367654;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/02D55B918782FF27FAD0D12360DE85CA8B1539A6EACAB4C77C5E3E310B23FDF7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1438...6963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.244.183.44 (ssh-rsa key from 84.244.183.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown NL)
1674277;1498367654;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/02D55B918782FF27FAD0D12360DE85CA8B1539A6EACAB4C77C5E3E310B23FDF7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...6373 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.244.183.44 (ssh-rsa key from 84.244.183.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown NL)
1674278;1498367791;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: one of the fun things you won't learn about on a slavecycle is the delightful secondary torque around your axis of travel developed when you open the throttle while turning
1674279;1498367935;ben_vulpes;in other lols, assbot apparently still tells folks about the voice model
1674280;1498372241;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Felt that. The thing is gotta learn the more mundane feelings to learn the novel ones
1674281;1498375499;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1674282;1498375507;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2579.87, vol: 14204.91124638 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2589.998, vol: 5824.27668 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2527.8, vol: 19599.96858084 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2826.517463, vol: 12627.92760000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2562.878, vol: 5531.23463269 | Volume-weighted last average: 2615.50137883
1674283;1498377823;sina;phew
1674284;1498377863;sina;took me a fair bit of debugging but I got the gossipd thing going so it sends and receives messages. peer addition and message addition are manual commands atm, but it does work :D github.com/sinner-/gossipd
1674285;1498378133;sina;gonna head out for dinner and hopefully start adding in pieces of the crypto on my return
1674286;1498399861;shinohai;Launch your ICO NOW before it is too late!!!! http://icokit.com/
1674287;1498406689;diana_coman;!!up mp-en-managua
1674288;1498406689;deedbot;mp-en-managua voiced for 30 minutes.
1674289;1498406705;mp-en-managua;thankee diana_coman
1674290;1498406714;diana_coman;no more js? lol
1674291;1498406733;mp-en-managua;these ppls are unserious with the upping!
1674292;1498406744;mp-en-managua;diana_coman: nah, came back to human form.
1674293;1498406758;diana_coman;eh, Sunday service, whaddayawant
1674294;1498406770;mp-en-managua;heh
1674295;1498406818;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170622/#340 << did he ever get it btw ?
1674296;1498406819;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-22: [23:58:00] Also, if someone could share a copy of mp-wp, that'd be swell.
1674297;1498406819;mp-en-managua;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-6-23#2af40b52-19bb-4d4e-8459-8b8c4146ee9c << possibly teh right approach being to standardize teh voice model.
1674298;1498406819;mp-en-managua;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-6-23#2aa8c3f2-fda4-4904-ab82-c0acf4b523d0 << manana lel.
1674299;1498406877;mp-en-managua;ah, ben_vulpes' thingee dun read outloud huh. also the windows original product keys are a little lengthy.
1674300;1498406973;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170624/#5 << check out this guy!
1674301;1498406973;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-24: [01:45:14] mod6: heya, not too bad, working on a gossipd impl!
1674302;1498407138;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170624/#23 << as experience shows, the first implementation of a spec often ends up improving the spec. write it out, see what's wrong with it after/
1674303;1498407138;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-24: [02:15:03] going to get some food and chill out for a bit, any feedback would be appreciated
1674304;1498407388;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170624/#50 << ahh, it's been a pleasure re-reading that piece. /me enjoys reading trilema apparently.
1674305;1498407388;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-24: [20:54:46] http://trilema.com/2014/consent-is-a-myth-lets-see-how-it-came-to-be/ << i did not know what to make of mp's idiosyncratic writing style at first, but this what i'll show people if they question the “queer zine for the 1%” line.
1674306;1498407503;TomServo; mp-en-managua Yup, shinohai helped me out, thanks.
1674307;1498407514;mp-en-managua;cool deal.
1674308;1498407667;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170624/#61 << it's funny, they notice the part where "pitting arkansas farmers against arkansas farmers is never good", but they don't notice the part where "all arkansas farmers do all day is argue how to better plant soy for the chinese boss man". i suppose that's always good or what.
1674309;1498407667;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-24: [23:26:06] And in whoreticulture fails: http://archive.is/YbBku
1674310;1498407844;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170625/#10 << at this time i think i was hanging out with the only indian restauranteur in all of granada. fine gentleman, used to run a place in majorca if he's to be believed. kickass homemade yogurt, and fine vindaloo.
1674311;1498407844;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-25: [03:01:01] was kind of hoping mp would be around as I have a few gossipd questions
1674312;1498407989;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170625/#19 << indirection layer. you have your actual identities on one side, and they're immutable, just an ever growing list, similar to how wallet keeps accumulating bitcoi naddresses with their keys.
1674313;1498407989;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-25: [03:35:57] so really the list of identities needs to be mutable?
1674314;1498408052;mp-en-managua;on the othe rside you have th esignificance of these identities, which is an operator concern. the operator may be augmented by the program, but principally speaking the designation of identities works like the us notion of state secrets - "they're classified if the president says and until he says."
1674315;1498408238;mp-en-managua;it's not very clear to me what you mean by "update lastseen status", but yes in principle there's no need for an outside observer to be able to distinguish "your" identities from "others", ie whether you wer eable to decypher message M or not needn't be leaked.
1674316;1498408753;TomServo;!up mp-en-managua
1674317;1498408772;TomServo;!!up mp-en-managua
1674318;1498408772;deedbot;mp-en-managua voiced for 30 minutes.
1674319;1498408778;mp-en-managua;why thankee
1674320;1498409754;mp-en-managua;fucking incredible this country, pre jp2 catolicism survives undisturbed in nicaragua. you'd think you're in 1880s sicily over here, proper parade, including the music and the excited tweens in clean clothes for once in their week.
1674321;1498410049;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170625/#45 << "Are you sick of watching Cryptocurrency opportunities pass you by without getting in the game? Here's what we can do for you: We will create an ERC20 complient Ethereum Token for you."
1674322;1498410050;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-25: [14:11:02] Launch your ICO NOW before it is too late!!!! http://icokit.com/
1674323;1498410079;mp-en-managua;apparently fucktards learned nothing of the doge slaughter, still believe "promotion" matters.
1674324;1498410388;mp-en-managua;and of course, from the mandatory list of idle bullshit, "Gnosis $12.5 million for decentralized prediction market. " because totally, we've entirely forgotten how whatever random redditardesque thing was going to take over from bitbet at any point nao because it has to because redditard friendly is all that matters to the redditard mind AND IT WAS
1674325;1498410388;mp-en-managua; DECENTRALIZED HURR.
1674326;1498410398;mp-en-managua;how they don't tire of themselves is anyone's guess by this point.
1674327;1498410493;mp-en-managua;"There is no denying that ICOs are hot right now. If you have a great idea for a Cryptocurrency, there is an army of enthusiasts ready and excited to back you."
1674328;1498410496;mp-en-managua;toppest of keks.
1674329;1498411031;BingoBoingo;!!Up mp-en-managua
1674330;1498411031;deedbot;mp-en-managua voiced for 30 minutes.
1674331;1498411969;mp-en-managua;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170625/#42 << im defo giving this a spin once back.
1674332;1498411969;scriba;Logged on 2017-06-25: [08:08:54] gonna head out for dinner and hopefully start adding in pieces of the crypto on my return
1674333;1498412034;mp-en-managua;and in other not-news, frankenhooker is definitely worth seeing. preferably with a bunch of "shy" and "they never did this before" naked latinas, who don't speak too good english and aren't old enough to know wtf a vhs tape is.
1674334;1498412041;mp-en-managua;but even without, pretty entertaining.
1674335;1498412299;shinohai;o hai mp-en-managua
1674336;1498412360;mp-en-managua;hola
1674337;1498412594;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674299 << i suspect if you manually upped mimisbrunnr (until he implements the self voice) it would quote now
1674338;1498412594;a111;Logged on 2017-06-25 16:07 mp-en-managua: ah, ben_vulpes' thingee dun read outloud huh. also the windows original product keys are a little lengthy.
1674339;1498412779;asciilifeform;mp-en-managua: spoiler: it's a python skin on (yes, via shell, per packet..!) koch gpg
1674340;1498412848;phf;though the via shell, per packet part isn't implemented yet
1674341;1498412855;asciilifeform;i dun like , contrary to popular belief, pissing on parades. but pile of coal is not a diamond.
1674342;1498412867;asciilifeform;phf: lol
1674343;1498412893;asciilifeform;i confess, did not read whole thing, past the boojum.
1674344;1498412946;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's old post re making a gift from paper for his mother, comes to mind.
1674345;1498412961;*;asciilifeform bbl
1674346;1498413238;shinohai;!!up mp-en-managua
1674347;1498413239;deedbot;mp-en-managua voiced for 30 minutes.
1674348;1498413286;mp-en-managua;phf: well yeah but i cant voice atm
1674349;1498413327;mp-en-managua;asciilifeform: no, i saw the thing on github. but what's the big deal, spend an hour with the new guy an' his thing, see what comes of it.
1674350;1498413642;shinohai;re: icokit, I hope to see 1000 redditards do this, will keep the methereum DDoS fueled for a bit :)
1674351;1498413688;shinohai;"But Gavin said ETH scales better than Bitcoin!!!!!"
1674352;1498413728;mp-en-managua;heh
1674353;1498413744;mp-en-managua;1000 redditards do this with what 25% of 1997 bux ?
1674354;1498415299;shinohai;!!up mp-en-managua
1674355;1498415299;deedbot;mp-en-managua voiced for 30 minutes.
1674356;1498415699;mp-en-managua;thanks for voice. i'll bb tomorrow.
1674357;1498422466;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/poor-brits-evacuated-from-their-warehousing-in-green-incinerators/ << Qntra - Poor Brits Evacuated From Their Warehousing In Green Incinerators
1674358;1498424965;BingoBoingo;http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/feminist-mag-calls-white-women-fight-supremacy-aborting-white-babies/
1674359;1498425018;BingoBoingo;Found in wild: "Protip: if you meet someone and don't want to ask his/her/:wq preferred pronouns, you can just use vim commands instead"
1674360;1498425879;shinohai;Sounds legit
1674361;1498427416;jurov;definitely better approach than pressing their Control, Meta and Shift keys all the time
1674362;1498429849;erlehmann;BingoBoingo medusa magazine seems pretty reasonable, indeed https://medusamagazine.com/youre-a-bigot-if-you-wouldnt-have-sex-with-a-gay-friend
1674363;1498429935;erlehmann;i wonder if it was intended as genuine satire or more as clickbait to get advertising dollars
1674364;1498430022;BingoBoingo;Who cares, guilty by absence from WoT
1674365;1498430242;erlehmann;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22not+in+wot%22
1674366;1498430256;erlehmann;rhymes, even!
1674367;1498430980;BingoBoingo;That's how you know it's true.
1674368;1498431061;BingoBoingo;In other Obeasts https://archive.is/hPIqc
1674369;1498431109;erlehmann;“… und was sich reimt, ist gut!”
1674370;1498432045;BingoBoingo;http://i.magaimg.net/img/stw.jpg
1674371;1498432738;sina;that is some dumb shit BingoBoingo but I am pretty sure it's just someone trolling, because I think I have seen that pic before
1674372;1498432773;sina;oh right its from instructables
1674373;1498432774;sina;wtf
1674374;1498432784;BingoBoingo;Well, WoT or GTFO to the author
1674375;1498433302;shinohai;otoh she *could* oversee death penalty cases and just execute the condemned by sitting on them.
1674376;1498433319;shinohai;But that might constitute "cruel and unusual" punishment.
1674377;1498438764;sina;suggestions on the following key exchange conundrum:
1674378;1498438870;sina;I am trying to program the following behaviour, a user can run "gossipc --add-peer --host 1.1.1.1 --port 5000 --name sina" and gossipc will select one of the available (not bogus) RSA keys generated by the ongoing key generation process and say something like "peer added. advertise/exchange the following pubkey to that peer:"
1674379;1498438975;sina;but this presents a chicken/egg problem, where the peer "initiating" the addition will need to then advertise that key to the other peer and wait for a key back, and then initiate an update to the peer data to add in the advertised pubkey
1674380;1498438982;sina;which seems a bit hacky.
1674381;1498439022;sina;any thoughts? does that even make sense? basically it's caused because I am trying to use a different pubkey per peer, if there was just 1 pubkey it would be a standard out of band RSA pubkey exchange
1674382;1498439034;sina;phf? trinque?
1674383;1498439180;sina;or should it be a three-phase thing where 1. each peer advertises their name/host/port to the other 2. each receives the others pubkey 3. adds it to the peer info
1674384;1498439213;sina;that seems less hacky typing it out
1674385;1498441574;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBCE9595FFD44B5848895D2216E07BF49549F3724C839F7BC77492932CD12B70 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1598...3303 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.41.117.181 (ssh-rsa key from 84.41.117.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BA BIH)
1674386;1498441575;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBCE9595FFD44B5848895D2216E07BF49549F3724C839F7BC77492932CD12B70 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...5079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.41.117.181 (ssh-rsa key from 84.41.117.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BA BIH)
1674387;1498441663;BingoBoingo;From the mines:
1674388;1498441663;BingoBoingo;The Slatest
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1674390;1498441663;BingoBoingo;June 25 2017 7:51 PM
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1674392;1498441664;BingoBoingo;By Daniel Politi
1674393;1498441666;BingoBoingo;ISRAELJERUSALEMGAYPARADE An Israeli woman draped with a rainbow gay pride flag with the Star of David walks past Israeli border policemen during the annual Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade on July 21, 2016.
1674394;1498441669;BingoBoingo;AFP/Getty Images
1674395;1498441671;BingoBoingo;Three people carrying Jewish Pride flags were asked to leave the Chicago Dyke March on Saturday in part because they repeatedly expressed support for Zionism"
1674396;1498442120;sina;BingoBoingo: that's pretty funny because I was reading this http://exiledonline.com/russia-blog-day-1-the-strange-activist-who-provoked-chechnyas-anti-gay-crackdown/
1674397;1498442179;sina;TL;DR, Russian gay activist who triggered crackdown/kidnap/murder on gay people in Chechnya (aside from a bunch of other stupid shit) is also very anti-semite
1674398;1498442208;sina;it's almost as if being a homosexual has nothing to do with your political orientation :P
1674399;1498442581;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/354708EE43E41E72C8E4227529A7F2A75D9B7D1EDB29D174008FF2CE74FA3A5E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1788...6957 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.167.72.43 (ssh-rsa key from 192.167.72.43 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (biofisica-35.unipv.it. IT 25 PV)
1674400;1498442582;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/354708EE43E41E72C8E4227529A7F2A75D9B7D1EDB29D174008FF2CE74FA3A5E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...3873 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.167.72.43 (ssh-rsa key from 192.167.72.43 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (biofisica-35.unipv.it. IT 25 PV)
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1674403;1498450604;ben_vulpes;sina: you read http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=line+speed ?
1674404;1498450666;ben_vulpes;not to piss in cheerios, but to find shared basis.
1674405;1498450771;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673500 << most folks who bitch in the manner of "oh noes, rising rents and stagnant wages" have not meaningfully pursued higher wages. not a matter of "rich as know how to get" but "thought this rich was enough forever" which is very foolish.
1674406;1498450771;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 19:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673487 << i find it lulzy that folx will happily say this to someone to whom they would ~not~ necessarily say 'kill yerself nao, slice lengthwise' . but at the same time the phrases have EQUIVALENT meaning, because at some point you are already as rich as you possibly know how to become.
1674407;1498450907;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674337 << does, yes
1674408;1498450907;a111;Logged on 2017-06-25 17:43 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674299 << i suspect if you manually upped mimisbrunnr (until he implements the self voice) it would quote now
1674409;1498451096;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674299 << yeah, it suxx, i hear you. probably going do the right thing like phf and use timestamps
1674410;1498451096;a111;Logged on 2017-06-25 16:07 mp-en-managua: ah, ben_vulpes' thingee dun read outloud huh. also the windows original product keys are a little lengthy.
1674411;1498451305;sina;heya ben_vulpes
1674412;1498451320;sina;thanks for the headsup on that, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-01#1418726 looks interesting but quite different from what I'm making :P
1674413;1498451320;a111;Logged on 2016-03-01 03:53 asciilifeform: mats: the idea is, a kind of line-speed (GB ethernet) wall, where crud goes in, and valid in-wot gossipd out.
1674414;1498451450;sina;ben_vulpes: that is quite different from the spec :P
1674415;1498453626;ben_vulpes;sina: consider your basis shared!
1674416;1498453796;sina;ben_vulpes: I'm not smart enough to make what's described there, just implementing the spec I saw for amusement
1674417;1498454393;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: broken link: http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory/
1674418;1498454537;ben_vulpes;from http://trilema.com/2016/trilema-bot-spec/
1674419;1498454890;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674280 << don't forget that you can put a holy 2-stroke in the secret apu slot of the slavecycle at the ghetto craft table and walk away with the prized freedombike!
1674420;1498454890;a111;Logged on 2017-06-25 06:30 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Felt that. The thing is gotta learn the more mundane feelings to learn the novel ones
1674421;1498454901;ben_vulpes;*brapp brapp*!
1674422;1498455568;ben_vulpes;on the "laptops suck" thread, now that i'm using an adult workstation most of the time, my hands start hurting after a bare thirty minutes on a 13" laptop kb
1674423;1498455648;ben_vulpes;and so, adieu
1674424;1498457868;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: AHA
1674425;1498457873;BingoBoingo;chainsaw bike!
1674426;1498458910;BingoBoingo;Or as an alternative there's a number of new manufacter 2-cycle scooters which do not require registration due to various "moped" exemptions. Needs to be under 50cc displacement which means riding machine with 1/4 of a lawnmower engine or twice a string trimmer engine.
1674427;1498471090;sina;alright. the gossipd thingo is 0.0.1 implemented. peers can communicate, each session (fetch messages) is mediated by deedbot style OTP with per peer-pair RSA keys (no GPG shell asciilifeform, using libtomcrypt). I wrote a tiny client to add peers, exchange keys, broadcast msgs and view stored msgs. there is a README.
1674428;1498471101;sina;if anyone wants to play https://github.com/sinner-/gossipd
1674429;1498471178;sina;it's still a little rough around the edges so you can break it pretty easily if you disconnect during a session or send bad data or whatever like that.
1674430;1498471232;sina;pytomcrypt is the only external dependency
1674431;1498471402;sina;tmsr trigger warnings: it uses sqlite, TCP, OOP but I tried to make it modular enough that those things could easily be changed. It isn't the lighthouse or linespeed thing asciilifeform has mentioned, I just tried to follow the spec on trilema.com
1674432;1498471555;sina;~700 LoC
1674433;1498479414;sina;TL;DR: unfixed Skylake and Kaby Lake processors could, in some
1674434;1498479415;sina;situations, dangerously misbehave when hyper-threading is enabled.
1674435;1498479415;sina;Disable hyper-threading immediately in BIOS/UEFI to work around the
1674436;1498479415;sina;problem. Read this advisory for instructions about an Intel-provided
1674437;1498479416;sina;fix.
1674438;1498479420;sina;https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00308.html
1674439;1498480633;erlehmann;sina have you checked all your input against a formal grammar today?
1674440;1498480886;erlehmann;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674429 << “of course i've validated my input, officer, i swear”
1674441;1498480886;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 09:59 sina: it's still a little rough around the edges so you can break it pretty easily if you disconnect during a session or send bad data or whatever like that.
1674442;1498480900;shinohai;lel
1674443;1498481560;sina;erlehmann: nope hehe
1674444;1498481669;erlehmann;sina http://langsec.org/occupy/
1674445;1498481803;sina;erlehmann: yup. if you look through the code you see I do validate inputs as they come in on the socket for example, but I noticed while I was developing that there are some more subtle edge cases and that's what I was referring to
1674446;1498481899;sina;erlehmann: for example https://github.com/sinner-/gossipd/blob/master/gossipd/cmd/gossipc.py#L68 ...it throws an error if you try to add a peer before an RSA key is available
1674447;1498481933;sina;I was just happy to get the OTP working for today and will continue to increment it
1674448;1498482631;sina;erlehmann: I do hope to be able to code a naughty host counter up, still thinking about that
1674449;1498487289;mod6;mornin'
1674450;1498487295;sina;mornin mod6
1674451;1498487301;sina;I was just about to sign off for the night :)
1674452;1498487321;sina;hope you have a nice day
1674453;1498487755;shinohai;O hai mod6
1674454;1498490850;mod6; how goes shinohai ?
1674455;1498490916;shinohai;Not bad mod6 .... want to get with you later this evening on the new Makefiles thing if you have a few minutes to spare
1674456;1498491024;erlehmann;> Makefiles
1674457;1498491038;erlehmann;shinohai http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/redo-sh.html
1674458;1498491151;shinohai;Interesting erlehmann ....
1674459;1498491204;erlehmann;shinohai faster smaller and more reliable than make
1674460;1498491248;erlehmann;shinohai you can see here why redo is superior by far http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/redo-gcc-automatic-dependencies.html#dependency-graph-visualization
1674461;1498491269;*;shinohai likes anything that can be done better w/ shell scripting
1674462;1498491338;erlehmann;if your build-system is not recording two dozen dependency relationship for a simple hello world program, it is pretty much a non-build-system
1674463;1498491361;erlehmann;reading the text explains that statement
1674464;1498491461;shinohai;Hey the redo-dot dep graph thing is pretty nifty too!
1674465;1498491505;erlehmann;i have yet to see a build system that can do so much in so few lines of code
1674466;1498491545;erlehmann;shinohai for a massive real-world C++ workload, build https://github.com/linleyh/liberation-circuit
1674467;1498491553;erlehmann;it has cmake scripts and a makefile
1674468;1498491558;erlehmann;but the cmake scripts don't work well
1674469;1498491569;erlehmann;and the makefile only builds the project on every second invocation
1674470;1498491570;erlehmann;makelucz
1674471;1498491574;erlehmann;make lulz
1674472;1498492272;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/supreme-court-lifts-lesser-court-injunctions-against-trump-travel-bans/ << Qntra - Supreme Court Lifts Lesser Court Injunctions Against Trump Travel Bans
1674473;1498492617;BingoBoingo;In not news, Buttstamp now introduce Litecoin trading to two cans and a string too
1674474;1498493213;mod6;<+shinohai> Not bad mod6 .... want to get with you later this evening on the new Makefiles thing if you have a few minutes to spare << sure thing. did you get to try it out?
1674475;1498493365;shinohai;Haven't gotten to try it yet, but want to run the full suite of tests as soon as I get back home this afternoon. ;)
1674476;1498493408;mod6;ok, np. there are a matrix of tests that can be extrapolated from the doc.
1674477;1498493419;mod6;we can discuss later though.
1674478;1498493574;shinohai;kk, will ping you when I get back - sorry for the pm tag this weekend :/
1674479;1498494653;asciilifeform;in other lulz >> https://archive.is/Iqf3R << see also ye olde 'fly in it? i won't ~walk under it~'
1674480;1498494767;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674428 << fwiw i carefully read all of it. asciilifeform's verdict: very much a gabriel_laddel-ization of gossipd. does 0 of the necessary work, and drags in 5+GB of liquishit deps (python, sql, some derp's crypto lib.) the amount of this that would have to be rewritten, from the ground, is 100%. not even useful as illustration of anything, because NONE of the actually complicated moving parts of a
1674481;1498494767;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 09:58 sina: if anyone wants to play https://github.com/sinner-/gossipd
1674482;1498494767;asciilifeform;proper gossipd, are in there.
1674483;1498494771;trinque;didn't a (temporarily) flying one catch fire the other week?
1674484;1498494803;asciilifeform;trinque: possibly, but i missed
1674485;1498494847;TomServo;In moar MIT lulz >> https://archive.is/NkP2Y
1674486;1498494880;trinque;asciilifeform: https://archive.is/FJtTL
1674487;1498494896;asciilifeform;TomServo: lulzy. see also the infamous light bulb.
1674488;1498494944;trinque;clearly needs to upgrade to the f35, it's 19 better.
1674489;1498494956;asciilifeform;'Ever since IS&T started to undergo "The Transformation", there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt to change Computing at MIT for the worse. Services that have been relied on for years have been discontinued and turned down, frequently without notice. Infrastructure critical to running MIT has been outsourced to cloud services during "emergency maintenance". Most of these changes had minimal impact on students and faculty,
1674490;1498494956;asciilifeform;until IS&T suddenly and unceremoniously decided to renumber all of campus onto a private, NAT'd address space. Some buildings have already been migrated, with same-day notice, causing outages of services hosted in those buildings.'
1674491;1498494960;asciilifeform;gold.
1674492;1498494967;TomServo;asciilifeform: Tis what I was (obliquely) referencing with the 'moar'
1674493;1498495033;asciilifeform;hey, they gotta keep inmat^H^H^H^H^Hstudents from hosting warez/trb/etc terrorisms somehow!1111
1674494;1498495078;asciilifeform;'Although the ranges sold initially were unused, IS&T announced that the entire upper half of MITnet would be sold, and that buildings would need to be renumbered.' << holy fuq mircea_popescu was right
1674495;1498495085;asciilifeform;they spent it all on... ethertardium?!
1674496;1498495115;asciilifeform;picture 'upper half of british crown's jewels will be sold...' mentioned in passing in some unrelated crud
1674497;1498495158;asciilifeform;'Instead of being renumbered into publicly-accessible IP ranges, IS&T is moving all of campus into RFC-1918 10/8 addresses, and enforcing the campus firewall, which will be made up of Palo Alto 7050 devices, which are best known for their deep-packet inspection feature, App-ID.' << ahahaha so it ~is~ about zapping unauthorized nonethertardium nodes etc
1674498;1498495224;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, desperate usg dod-like last gasp to keep massive fleet of winblows boxen properly declitorized and infibulated
1674499;1498495259;asciilifeform;great lulzfind, TomServo
1674500;1498495271;asciilifeform;ty for posting.
1674501;1498495366;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/Tr9PF , linked within, also interesting : 'Led by IS&T’s vice president, John Charles, the ambitious reorganization began in February 2015 and aims to spur innovation through agile software development practices adopted from industry. Charles emphasizes that this is not a typical reorganization, but rather a complete transformation of MIT’s IT department. ... Many longtime employees have resigned ... Charles,
1674502;1498495366;asciilifeform; who was interviewed over email for this story, said he “cannot comment on individual decisions and personnel matters,” other than to say that all personnel matters were “handled in accordance with Institute HR policies.”' )
1674503;1498495368;asciilifeform;)
1674504;1498495574;asciilifeform;erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674460 << 'redo' is theoretically neat ( at least when compared to gnumake ) but - and i studied it, since you last mentioned it - it strikes me as a near-miss attempt to invent 'v'
1674505;1498495574;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 15:34 erlehmann: shinohai you can see here why redo is superior by far http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/redo-gcc-automatic-dependencies.html#dependency-graph-visualization
1674506;1498495612;asciilifeform;gnumake is one of those turds that ~every serious user, eventually tries to rebuild, out of whatever is at hand, because of sheer barfalicity
1674507;1498495636;asciilifeform;but the generalized, correct incarnation of 'automatic dependency graph walker' is : v.
1674508;1498495819;mod6;<+shinohai> kk, will ping you when I get back - sorry for the pm tag this weekend :/ << no worries at all
1674509;1498495851;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674456 << thread: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-6-22#dcfcaad0-5fef-4672-8692-e8a69b9df2f5
1674510;1498495851;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 15:30 erlehmann: > Makefiles
1674511;1498496012;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674434 << has hyperthreading ever actually worked ? ( see also... http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hyper-threading )
1674512;1498496012;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 12:16 sina: situations, dangerously misbehave when hyper-threading is enabled.
1674513;1498496068;asciilifeform;even on chips where it did not cause halt-and-catch-fire, it was always a sort of hardware equivalent of ye olde 'ramdoubler' scamola -- 'make luser think he has 2x the cores'
1674514;1498496125;asciilifeform;was introduced right when moore's law first was beginning to sputter out, and new ways of bamboozling idiot new-iron chasers were being devised - 'let's up the clock speed but cut the work per-cycle', etc
1674515;1498496284;asciilifeform;so intel shat out ht, aka 'i can't believe it's not a cpu core'
1674516;1498496494;erlehmann;asciilifeform i am curious, how does v walk dependencies and non-existence dependencies related to files?
1674517;1498496518;asciilifeform;erlehmann: what means to walk 'non-existence dependencies' ?
1674518;1498496519;erlehmann;i was of the impression that it presses a specific view of the world out of a) source code b) patches c) wot
1674519;1498496534;asciilifeform;if a vpatch refers to a hash of a nonexistent file, the process stops.
1674520;1498496555;erlehmann;so v is more like a reverse epigraph, in my understanding
1674521;1498496581;asciilifeform;thing is, nowhere is it written that a v program ~must~ be a gnudiff-like thing
1674522;1498496582;erlehmann;non-existence dependencies are leaf nodes, so tree-walking stops there
1674523;1498496598;asciilifeform;can easily have process invocations (e.g. compiler invokes) rather than filename-hash
1674524;1498496616;erlehmann;i see the overlap
1674525;1498496620;asciilifeform;and they'd trigger, if hash not found immediately. and so you get a maketron.
1674526;1498496662;asciilifeform;current vtrons assume that all of the signed nodes exist on disk already.
1674527;1498496665;asciilifeform;but this is not intrinsic.
1674528;1498496721;asciilifeform;( so long as the signers, sign the hashes, and you still have a cryptographically healthy frozen history -- it is entirely acceptable to specify also how the inputs are to be produced. )
1674529;1498496751;erlehmann;apart from separation of concerns (tree-walking vs. invoked programs), what other gains are to be had by using a hypothetical v maketron instead of the existing redo maketron?
1674530;1498496780;asciilifeform;erlehmann: it isn't clear to me that these belong in separate programs, and that a system ought to have two tree walkers.
1674531;1498496804;asciilifeform;one - proper one - suffices. and it is easier to produce from a generalized vtron, than to produce a vtron from, e.g., 'redo'.
1674532;1498496840;asciilifeform;in general, the tumour mass of 'i have 200 utils that do ~same thing on my box, and not a single one ~quite~ works entirely' is to be flamethrowered.
1674533;1498496852;erlehmann;i understand completely
1674534;1498496875;erlehmann;i am willing to abandon my redo efforts if v maketron suits my needs better. does there exist a v implementation in <500 lines of shell?
1674535;1498496884;asciilifeform;erlehmann: shell - afaik not
1674536;1498496916;erlehmann;i chose bourne shell specifically because redo runs everywhere and i consider it stupid to need a C++ compiler or python interpreter for building stuff.
1674537;1498496930;asciilifeform;... but not to need bourne shell ?
1674538;1498496939;asciilifeform;i have systems here with no bourne shell.
1674539;1498496952;erlehmann;i have a single phone with no bourne shell and two others that have it.
1674540;1498496953;asciilifeform;but with c compiler.
1674541;1498496979;erlehmann;but that's my need. i was scratching my own itch.
1674542;1498496993;asciilifeform;nothing wrong with that.
1674543;1498497000;erlehmann;in terms of v, i have only produced this piece of questionable sanity http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/vdiff
1674544;1498497020;asciilifeform;but gotta remember, erlehmann , that one man's 'this is ON EVERY SYSTEM, motherfuckers, not an optional shitlib' is another's optional shitlib.
1674545;1498497056;asciilifeform;erlehmann: that looks a lot like my original vdiff.
1674546;1498497083;erlehmann;same problem domain, simple problem, DON'T TASE ME BRO
1674547;1498497089;asciilifeform;lolk
1674548;1498497099;erlehmann;i think it's subtly wrong btw
1674549;1498497107;erlehmann;thinking about the grammar of vpatches made me come here
1674550;1498497158;erlehmann;asciilifeform i often do stuff in shell because major implementations fuck it up. this, for example: http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/unicode
1674551;1498497163;asciilifeform;all in-band signalling is subtly wrong.
1674552;1498497186;asciilifeform;erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581252 << see thread, for instance.
1674553;1498497186;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 18:53 asciilifeform: so i had two base64's png files in there,
1674554;1498497231;erlehmann;well, full recognition before processing.
1674555;1498497270;erlehmann;well, epigraph has a preamble that parses input http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/epigraph
1674556;1498497318;erlehmann;the part from “while read dt source tr _;” on is solely to prevent bad stuff happening
1674557;1498497323;asciilifeform;maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but it'd take same, IF NOT GREATER, effort, for asciilifeform to ascertain the truth of this statement, as to rewrite the linked proggy
1674558;1498497326;asciilifeform;which is a problem.
1674559;1498497338;erlehmann;asciilifeform thanks for giving an example regarding +++
1674560;1498497400;asciilifeform;erlehmann: the +++ thing was actually a more serious problem than you might walk away thinking on first reading -- because it is physically impossible to fix it without MAKING NEWLINES SIGNIFICANT semantically
1674561;1498497407;erlehmann;actually, ++++ is a valid base64 input
1674562;1498497411;asciilifeform;it is indeed
1674563;1498497452;asciilifeform;so if you wanted to distinguish 'proper' vs 'bug' +++, you would have to make the grammar CONSIDERABLY more complicated, and transform the ENTIRE input text, and then un-transform it BACK, every time
1674564;1498497460;asciilifeform;see also gpg's '-' idiocy
1674565;1498497472;asciilifeform;and you would also have to not-disregard newlines
1674566;1498497493;asciilifeform;which in fact get mutilated by ~every piece of shit attached to the net
1674567;1498497545;asciilifeform;somehow LEAVE MY MOTHERFUCKING BITSTREAM ALONE is not an option if you're transmitting 'ascii text'
1674568;1498497613;asciilifeform;( see also mega-thread , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-29#901052 )
1674569;1498497613;a111;Logged on 2014-10-29 01:36 asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
1674570;1498497617;erlehmann;; printf '++++' | base64 -d | od -t x1
1674571;1498497617;erlehmann;0000000 fb ef be
1674572;1498497651;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1674573;1498497740;asciilifeform;process-input-until-next-MAGICSTRING ( aka in-band signalling ) is inescapably and fundamentally braindamaged.
1674574;1498497742;erlehmann;asciilifeform there might be one detail why it is possible to make a v maketron, but no v redotron. does v try to work out all dependencies before processing?
1674575;1498497761;asciilifeform;erlehmann: indeed it does. read the source.
1674576;1498497767;erlehmann;i did and asked to clarify
1674577;1498497768;erlehmann;toposort
1674578;1498497785;asciilifeform;erlehmann: or at least read ben_vulpes's classic article re subj, http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
1674579;1498497811;asciilifeform;he explains it better than i ever did.
1674580;1498497831;erlehmann;the point of redo vs. make is that make does the same: build tree, walk tree. the problem is that this may need in a second treewalking phase and a third etc. pp. until the build becomes stable
1674581;1498497845;erlehmann;think of TeX requiring at least three compiles until layout becomes stable
1674582;1498497853;asciilifeform;erlehmann: i'm not sure the existence of partial-builds is even justified.
1674583;1498497865;asciilifeform;because i'm quite certain that the existence of large codebases is NOT justified.
1674584;1498497868;erlehmann;so redo turns the process on its head: build is atomic, but redo only claims to have a tree when all is built.
1674585;1498497880;asciilifeform;whereas small codebases build quickly enough that partial rebuilds are unnecessary.
1674586;1498497995;erlehmann;current number of files that OAMI converted and uploaded to wikimedia commons stands at 35646
1674587;1498498010;asciilifeform;wassat
1674588;1498498012;erlehmann;most of those are audio or video files. every format conversion is a build
1674589;1498498070;erlehmann;a bot i wrote, that travels PubMed Central open access publications, takes supplementary materials, fixes common errors in metadata, converts the files to other formats and uploads them.
1674590;1498498076;asciilifeform;what's that got to do with whether a maketron ought to be able to do partial builds ?
1674591;1498498140;erlehmann;well, full rebuilds are infeasible, in terms of time and computing power resources i have available
1674592;1498498165;asciilifeform;if 'full builds are infeasible', your tree is mis-structured.
1674593;1498498173;asciilifeform;and there are things in it that ought to be separate trees.
1674594;1498498205;erlehmann;how would you structure it? programmatically, it does not matter if there are 3 videos or 30000, a “partial build” just converts the ones that need converting and uploading.
1674595;1498498221;asciilifeform;( and noshit.jpg, 'entire works of mankind as 1 tree' leads to 'infeasible in terms of time and computing power available' )
1674596;1498498238;asciilifeform;erlehmann: you DON'T TOUCH THE ALREADY CONVERTED ONES omfg
1674597;1498498243;asciilifeform;they don't belong being visible !
1674598;1498498259;erlehmann;okay, but then one of the converted ones changes.
1674599;1498498265;asciilifeform;why the fuck would it CHANGE ?!
1674600;1498498272;asciilifeform;that's the thing with v : inputs NEVER CHANGE
1674601;1498498274;erlehmann;metadata cleanup, maybe.
1674602;1498498278;erlehmann;i see
1674603;1498498288;asciilifeform;immutable, motherfuckers, datastructure.
1674604;1498498298;asciilifeform;want change ? that'll be a new patch, and 1 or more new sigs.
1674605;1498498306;asciilifeform;no changing-of-the-past.
1674606;1498498343;erlehmann;seems sensible
1674607;1498498362;asciilifeform;not only sensible, but thermonukes away entire, as you see, ~classes~ of misproblem.
1674608;1498498364;erlehmann;yet outputs can change based on e.g. newly introduced inputs
1674609;1498498388;asciilifeform;nope. outputs of presses to a given node on the flow - will NEVER change.
1674610;1498498404;asciilifeform;outputs of presses to ~new~ nodes, will, naturally, give unseen-before output.
1674611;1498498418;asciilifeform;but outputs of presses to OLD nodes -- will give same output 1000 yrs from now, as today.
1674612;1498498429;asciilifeform;this is essential to v.
1674613;1498498487;asciilifeform;immutable past is a prerequisite to ~authenticable~ past, and v gives it.
1674614;1498498698;erlehmann;do you have an opionion on GNU tsort?
1674615;1498498705;erlehmann;from coreutils
1674616;1498498720;asciilifeform;( what's a 'misproblem' ? let's say it is a problem that only exists because of misapplied concepts earlier 'up the stack' . see also the immortal prof. kokkarinen's 'alien problem', http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934852 thread . )
1674617;1498498720;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 01:11 asciilifeform: reminds of ilkka kokkarinen's 'alien problems':
1674618;1498498746;asciilifeform;erlehmann: yes
1674619;1498498761;erlehmann;care to extrapolate your onions?
1674620;1498498778;asciilifeform;erlehmann: 1) i have nfi what it does on corner cases 2) i have nfi how consistent is it across unixen, and how it misbehaves with, e.g., crapolade turdicode characters in the inputs
1674621;1498498790;asciilifeform;gnudiff, i found, in fact DID misbehave, on many a box
1674622;1498498813;asciilifeform;and produced differing orderings depending on the 'charset' set on the machine
1674623;1498498819;asciilifeform;which SHOULD NOT BE A THING
1674624;1498498843;asciilifeform;and i say this as an orc, who uses cyrillic
1674625;1498498852;asciilifeform;MY SHELL IS STILL SET TO THE KING'S ENGLISH
1674626;1498498857;asciilifeform;for fucks sake.
1674627;1498498873;erlehmann;i guess with immutable inputs, redo would not be necessary.
1674628;1498498885;asciilifeform;certainly not in the form offered.
1674629;1498498893;asciilifeform;and the necessary bits -- reduce to a slightly generalized vtron.
1674630;1498499549;BingoBoingo; they spent it all on... ethertardium?! << YES!!!
1674631;1498500324;shinohai;Dat nearly 20% drop of ETH in 24 hrs >.>
1674632;1498504970;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674627 << http://pbfcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/PBF005-Billiards_in_heaven.png
1674633;1498504970;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 17:41 erlehmann: i guess with immutable inputs, redo would not be necessary.
1674634;1498505350;asciilifeform;lol
1674635;1498505468;asciilifeform;ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has quit [shutting down] << lolwat
1674636;1498505487;phf;"[Global Notice] Hi all. We need to take services (NickServ, ChanServ and friends down for some quick database tweaking so they'll be unavailable for a few minutes. I'll update via WALLOPS when completed."
1674637;1498505640;asciilifeform;ahahaha
1674638;1498507629;asciilifeform;from earlier, lulz, 'In April 2017, an unexpected and disruptive change was made to the MIT network: the sale of historically MIT-allocated IP address ranges to external entities such as Amazon. The sale wasn't announced to the MIT community until after it had taken effect. '
1674639;1498507696;asciilifeform;gotta luvv the folx so slow on the uptake, who imagine being in 'a community' while having already been subsumed into usg faceless mass.
1674640;1498507742;asciilifeform;and that 'your' horse is somehow still 'your' AFTER you join kolhoz.
1674641;1498508233;shinohai;http://archive.is/I9uUu #rekt
1674642;1498508297;ben_vulpes;> sold via OTC over the course of the next month, to ensure it will have a negligible effect on the market
1674643;1498508316;ben_vulpes;k
1674644;1498508331;ben_vulpes;shinohai: what is 'status'?
1674645;1498508414;shinohai;Just another Lame Ethereum ICO that raised millions and now gonna dump to pay for hookers, etc.
1674646;1498508501;shinohai;Apparently they made a "Mobile ethereum interface w/ encrypted messaging"
1674647;1498508521;shinohai;So (signal + ETH - Tor)
1674648;1498508704;shinohai;Plus another fine DDoS https://etherscan.io/txsPending?a=0x331d077518216c07c87f4f18ba64cd384c411f84
1674649;1498515323;asciilifeform;meanwhile, 'thief cries thief', https://archive.is/vgrDP << organized pantsuit ouster of linus t. slowly crystallizing...
1674650;1498515401;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/7bx0V << upstream in same thread << apparently he tried to draw a line, 'stfu with the monolithic unreadable patches'
1674651;1498518134;phf;nah, that's your monthly occurrence.
1674652;1498520819;mod6;evenin'
1674653;1498524544;asciilifeform;heya mod6
1674654;1498524552;mod6;how goes toinght?
1674655;1498524582;asciilifeform;epoxying, i shit thee not, a paid of shoes
1674656;1498524586;asciilifeform;for the 3rd time
1674657;1498524593;asciilifeform;*pair of
1674658;1498524622;asciilifeform;because a) can't be arsed to go to town to get new one b) ain't like you can get nonchinese sandal anyway
1674659;1498524631;mod6;haha. well, suppose you're getting good re-use out of them.
1674660;1498524658;asciilifeform;still depressing; my emulated mircea_popescu sat on my shoulder invisibly laughing
1674661;1498524672;mod6;yah, if you want !b, gotta make them yourself, or hire a sandal artisan of sorts.
1674662;1498524683;mod6;lol
1674663;1498524704;asciilifeform;i suspect he'd laugh even moar heartily if i were sitting and making own shoes
1674664;1498524727;asciilifeform;'if yer making shoes, you oughta be a shoemaker'
1674665;1498524750;mod6;aha
1674666;1498524773;asciilifeform;but say i also make own chair. then which must i be... shoe maker, or chair maker..?
1674667;1498524783;asciilifeform;because it isn't as if you can get decent chair here.
1674668;1498524821;mod6;yeah, everything is made with sawdust and cheap screws & glue.
1674669;1498524825;trinque;gotta wedge the broomstick at the right angle, can sit and sweep simultaneously!
1674670;1498524839;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674480 << haha savage
1674671;1498524839;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 16:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674428 << fwiw i carefully read all of it. asciilifeform's verdict: very much a gabriel_laddel-ization of gossipd. does 0 of the necessary work, and drags in 5+GB of liquishit deps (python, sql, some derp's crypto lib.) the amount of this that would have to be rewritten, from the ground, is 100%. not even useful as illustration of anything, because NONE of the actually complicated moving parts of a
1674672;1498524845;*;asciilifeform pictures pogo stick stake
1674673;1498524848;sina;mornin all
1674674;1498524855;asciilifeform;sina: don't be discouraged
1674675;1498524876;sina;not at all sir
1674676;1498524876;asciilifeform;sina: but understand that the problem does not resolve to '200 lines of py' or would have been solved years ago and we'd all be using.
1674677;1498524880;sina;yeah
1674678;1498524891;asciilifeform;phf has a very similar gossipd in commonlisp, for instance
1674679;1498524895;asciilifeform;and iirc trinque had another
1674680;1498524902;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform yet other
1674681;1498524906;asciilifeform;and... who knwos who else
1674682;1498524907;trinque;one's even a hideous bashball
1674683;1498524913;trinque;netcat and everything.
1674684;1498524943;asciilifeform;sina: at least a few folx were playing with very similar things even before mircea_popescu wrote his essay
1674685;1498525004;sina;I honestly didn't make it because I thought it would solve any problem, but only because I saw the spec and happen to be on holidays from work this week, thought it would be a good fun
1674686;1498525009;sina;(and it was so far!)
1674687;1498525047;asciilifeform;sina: one of the things gossipd needs is a constant-time-constant-space rsa. if you don't have one, enemy can derive your privkeys remotely based on timing.
1674688;1498525048;sina;hows all today, is it time to rotate shift mod6?
1674689;1498525061;asciilifeform;sina: i've been writing one, for some months now.
1674690;1498525069;asciilifeform;!#s ffa
1674691;1498525070;a111;40 results for "ffa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ffa
1674692;1498525103;mod6;<+sina> hows all today, is it time to rotate shift mod6? << hows that?
1674693;1498525118;sina;mod6: ah hehe you signed on just before I went to bed last night :P
1674694;1498525129;mod6;ah, gotcha, hehe.
1674695;1498525191;sina;asciilifeform: can you elaborate on timing? in my impl each peer-pair has its own set of corresponding RSA keys and I was thinking of adding something like, at the end of each session a new keypair is generated and exchanged on each side
1674696;1498525200;mod6;everytime I think of a shoemaker/cobbler, i think of that character from A Tale Of Two Cities who used to be a Doctor before he did 18 years in the Bastille.
1674697;1498525202;sina;well, not even generated, just assigned
1674698;1498525225;asciilifeform;sina: are you familiar with the concept of timing side channel ?
1674699;1498525233;sina;I am on the general points
1674700;1498525263;asciilifeform;sina: if some % of the time i can determine how long it took you to carry out a secret key op (incl. key generation) i can determine a few bits of key. over time, i get 1/4 of them, and that is == to getting the rest.
1674701;1498525267;sina;but do they not depend on measuring the timing over many operations?
1674702;1498525281;asciilifeform;sina: not necessarily very many.
1674703;1498525287;sina;but >1 ?
1674704;1498525292;asciilifeform;not even necessarily >1.
1674705;1498525327;sina;so my impl doesn't do this currently, but imagine it throws away the key after the session is established, no big deal then
1674706;1498525331;asciilifeform;even 1, cuts the amount of practical work necessary to break your key, considerably.
1674707;1498525339;asciilifeform;sina: again no
1674708;1498525349;asciilifeform;and if you don't understand why, you should not be using rsa
1674709;1498525374;asciilifeform;for one thing, there IS NO SESSION in gossipd (either my concept or either of mircea_popescu's two essays)
1674710;1498525379;asciilifeform;there is rsa-only crypto.
1674711;1498525398;asciilifeform;this means ALL ciphertext is the output of rsa modular exponentiations.
1674712;1498525410;sina;session may be the wrong term. I just mean, in the spec http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ "III. Gossipd will receive inbound connectionsvii from identified clientsviii and on the basis of that identification produce an encrypted challenge string, which constitutes its response. If the other party responds with the proper challenge string, the connection is established ; otherwise it is
1674713;1498525411;asciilifeform;( unlike, e.g., gpg, ssl, the rest of the shit soup )
1674714;1498525416;sina;dropped."
1674715;1498525487;asciilifeform;not reusing the keys would do 0
1674716;1498525493;asciilifeform;i break ONE - i break whole chain.
1674717;1498525497;asciilifeform;same statistics apply.
1674718;1498525570;asciilifeform;sina: subject is considerably trickier than charlatans (e.g. schneier) let on. in fact, most of what is available on the net, is deliberate disinfo.
1674719;1498525589;sina;ok fair point, I get the general need for constant time constant space algo regardless of gossipd stuff anyway
1674720;1498525594;asciilifeform;sina: if you've been reading anything other than the logs, you have a great deal of catching up to do.
1674721;1498525610;asciilifeform;( this should not horrify, but encourage. the logs are a very handy resource. )
1674722;1498525616;sina;I have been reading the logs, agreed they are handy
1674723;1498525706;asciilifeform;sina: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Zy27g/?raw=true << current ffa.
1674724;1498525746;sina;asciilifeform: if I'm not pestering let me throw a couple of questions. in my impl there are two secret operations, 1. key generation 2. challenge decryption. for #1, it runs in a different process on a random basis and marks a portion of the keys generated as bogus (per linked spec). that seems like it should sufficiently obfuscate against timing? for #2 is it possible to do some bogus ops in a similar
1674725;1498525753;sina;vein? e.g. perform 3 parallel decryptions
1674726;1498525762;asciilifeform;sina: this is a good q
1674727;1498525773;asciilifeform;sina: and the answer is, interestingly: no
1674728;1498525780;asciilifeform;~no~ practical amount of noise adding is enough.
1674729;1498525801;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671568 << see also thread
1674730;1498525801;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 19:50 asciilifeform: the imho interesting part of this tale is that ~time~ is the most, it turns out, difficult side channel to properly cement shut
1674731;1498525814;asciilifeform;and in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671581 .
1674732;1498525814;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 19:56 asciilifeform: idea of pll is that you can indeed see a lit match from mile away in daylight if you know 'exactly when to look'
1674733;1498525853;sina;another thought, in my impl, even if you broke the key, all this nets you is the ability to have messages delivered to you from a single node
1674734;1498525870;asciilifeform;that's if i break 1
1674735;1498525882;asciilifeform;1 ephemeral key. say i break the station key.
1674736;1498525891;asciilifeform;( by timing decrypts of session establish )
1674737;1498525903;asciilifeform;and if i can break 1, can break any and all.
1674738;1498525908;sina;sorry, define "station key"?
1674739;1498525941;asciilifeform;long-term key.
1674740;1498526074;sina;why would there be a long term key? I mean, right now in the impl the process to rotate a key is manual, but if you're using ephemeral key why not just "chain" them in the sense that at the end of the "session" you pass some ciphertext that includes the next ephemeral key, wait for delivery ack and then dump the old key?
1674741;1498526087;sina;so no key is ever retained beyond a single "session"
1674742;1498526133;asciilifeform;i can trivially tell when you've switched keys, strictly by looking at ciphertext ( is how rsa works. )
1674743;1498526161;asciilifeform;if this is a surprise to you -- i recommend getting familiar with the basic arithmetic
1674744;1498526215;sina;yeah no surprise
1674745;1498526230;sina;can I clarify something? when you say gossipd are you assuming that all traffic is enciphered?
1674746;1498526235;asciilifeform;now your homework : prove that an rsa-only channel MUST re-use every key at least once
1674747;1498526253;asciilifeform;unless it sends only 1 message and then both sides call it quits and never speak again.
1674748;1498526284;sina;I think we might be speaking at corss purposes and just wish to clarify that point before proceeding
1674749;1498526286;asciilifeform;sina: yes. and it is not a far assumption, nobody will send plaintext wtf omfg
1674750;1498526330;asciilifeform;sina: why do you think mircea_popescu mentioned rsa in his spec ? to keep the room warm with cpu heat ?
1674751;1498526367;sina;ok fair. see, the spec I was working from it only mentions encryption for the "session establishment" so I assumed that encryption of actual message payloads was to be with out of band encryption
1674752;1498526396;sina;and right now my impl does send everything except the challenge in plaintext!
1674753;1498526409;asciilifeform;wtf is the point of even having the challenge then !
1674754;1498526427;asciilifeform;if enemy can ALTER PLAINTEXT EN ROUTE AT WILL AND LIKEWISE READ ALL OF IT
1674755;1498526461;sina;I assumed it was deedbot style OTP thing
1674756;1498526463;asciilifeform;wtf is the point of writing a proggy that leads to this.
1674757;1498526476;asciilifeform;no, it'd be a nickserv, sina
1674758;1498526495;asciilifeform;'ohai i authenticated and now lemme say [NSA INSERTS TEXT HERE] sincerely yours, mr.chump'
1674759;1498526842;sina;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-08#1399525
1674760;1498526842;a111;Logged on 2016-02-08 00:05 maqp: The point is, unless you encrypt the message, anyone might have created the plaintext
1674761;1498526877;asciilifeform;there is NO reason why enemy should be able to read and alter at will traffic b/w 2 nodes.
1674762;1498526887;sina;I got that impression from reading gossipd logs, obviously I didn't read everything ever because I only learned about the linespeed thing yesterday
1674763;1498526890;asciilifeform;if i want this -- i will use irc.
1674764;1498526893;asciilifeform;as in fact using now.
1674765;1498526900;asciilifeform;irc is exactly 'gossipd without crypto'.
1674766;1498526911;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-08#1399535
1674767;1498526911;a111;Logged on 2016-02-08 00:06 mircea_popescu: the only assurance to be had here comes from a gossipd model. where anyone could have written the plaintext, and for all anyone POORLY CONNECTED knows, they probably did.
1674768;1498526920;asciilifeform;you gain NOTHING from the crypto unless it is applied correctly - i.e. to whole channel.
1674769;1498526956;asciilifeform;sina: in the linked thread, mircea_popescu described why he did not want to use rsa ~signatures~
1674770;1498526960;asciilifeform;for gossipd auth
1674771;1498526965;asciilifeform;but instead ~decrypts~
1674772;1498526985;asciilifeform;!#s opposable
1674773;1498526986;a111;17 results for "opposable", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=opposable
1674774;1498526996;asciilifeform;^ see also mega-thread re subj more recently
1674775;1498526998;trinque;^ great threads in there.
1674776;1498527060;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-07#1399508
1674777;1498527060;a111;Logged on 2016-02-07 23:57 mircea_popescu: complete anonimity between peers more than one node removed ; complete secrecy outside of the node group ; no integrity or authenticity outside of the wot trust.
1674778;1498527072;sina;perhaps I misread
1674779;1498527077;asciilifeform;but INSIDE - must have integrity.
1674780;1498527095;asciilifeform;or you have irc.
1674781;1498527111;asciilifeform;this is elementary, and the fact that i have to, apparently, explain this, beggars the imagination
1674782;1498527117;asciilifeform;WE ALREADY HAVE IRC!!
1674783;1498527127;asciilifeform;and don't need irc-with-homeopathic-sprinkling-of-rsa for anything.
1674784;1498527146;asciilifeform;(if i can unglue the auth from the payloads, because the latter are plaintext -- IT IS HOMEOPATHIC)
1674785;1498527209;sina;asciilifeform: don't pop a vein, I absolutely get your point, I was trying to explain (erroneous or otherwise) the path walked
1674786;1498527238;sina;again, I'm not proposing my impl as "hey you should use this!", only wanted to ask you some questions re timing
1674787;1498527313;asciilifeform;sina: don't hesitate to ask
1674788;1498527318;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform or whoever else. )
1674789;1498527813;sina;asciilifeform: how about this simpler model. Nodes only accept connections at interval N seconds, and during time between intervals it is preparing encrypted payload of all messages since last seen for each peer. so when A connects to B and says "Hi, I'm A", B responds with a pre-prepared payload encrypted for As key
1674790;1498527908;asciilifeform;EVERYONE eventually asks this
1674791;1498527909;asciilifeform;re rsa
1674792;1498527911;asciilifeform;answer: no
1674793;1498527938;sina;can I ask how come no?
1674794;1498527938;asciilifeform;the only way to make guaranteed time bound is... constant-time arithmetic
1674795;1498527988;asciilifeform;because if i can make your thing spill out of the time 'box' which you made for it, i get >0 info re your key. again.
1674796;1498528012;asciilifeform;and the only way to make it so that i can't -- and ~probably~ so -- is to do your arithmetic in constant time.
1674797;1498528018;asciilifeform;i.e. no-branches-on-secret-bits.
1674798;1498528047;asciilifeform;*provably
1674799;1498528050;asciilifeform;not probably, lol
1674800;1498528067;sina;any actual practical example of making it spill out of the time box? lets say two independent processes, one is preparing the payloads and putting them in an "outbox"
1674801;1498528067;asciilifeform;understand: if your scheme cannot be proven to work : it does not work.
1674802;1498528083;asciilifeform;say your time box is 1s
1674803;1498528115;asciilifeform;while your rsa, for sake of argument, is 200-300ms long.
1674804;1498528149;asciilifeform;now at some point your smm bios kicks in and spends 700ms adjusting fan speed. and i happen to know that this happens every whatever many seconds.
1674805;1498528163;asciilifeform;now i know that a certain % of the time your 'box' is spilled out of.
1674806;1498528167;asciilifeform;and it is == as not having the box.
1674807;1498528171;asciilifeform;if i have this knowledge.
1674808;1498528202;sina;I'm not sure I explained correctly. Please let me try one more time.
1674809;1498528214;asciilifeform;arbitrary 'don't report the answer for T units of time' doesn't work, because you have no hard assurance of no spill.
1674810;1498528220;asciilifeform;certainly not on a pc.
1674811;1498528276;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F26286E344AAD5DAC3259412DFD76A915DC0CA95AE6C819CC7F33B760D99DD19 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...2599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.128.149.20 (ssh-rsa key from 62.128.149.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.ecg.co.uk. GB)
1674812;1498528276;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F26286E344AAD5DAC3259412DFD76A915DC0CA95AE6C819CC7F33B760D99DD19 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1542...2949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.128.149.20 (ssh-rsa key from 62.128.149.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.ecg.co.uk. GB)
1674813;1498528299;asciilifeform;sina: making 'constant time rsa' by trying to bury the rsa in a fixed 'box' of time, only works if you can guarantee LOWER bound of how long the rsa ops (ALL of them, till the end of time) take, as well as UPPER
1674814;1498528321;asciilifeform;UPPER as well as LOWER, that is
1674815;1498528342;asciilifeform;you gotta say 'it will return answer in EXACTLY t units of time, no less AND NO MORE'
1674816;1498528361;asciilifeform;and the way to provably do this, is method called 'constant time arithmetic'
1674817;1498528366;asciilifeform;illustrated in the earlier link.
1674818;1498528405;sina;Imagine two independent processes. Process #1 is going through the list of peers and generating encrypted payload for unique peer key since last seen. When the payload is generated it places in outbox. Process #2 is running every N interval (1s example sure) to accept connections and deliver payloads from outbox. If for some reason Process #1 doesn't complete operation in time, it simply appears as if no
1674819;1498528411;sina;messages are to be delivered for a given peer or set of peers.
1674820;1498528451;asciilifeform;already you have made an assumption that is false on all extant hardware
1674821;1498528463;sina;which is?
1674822;1498528466;asciilifeform;it is not possible to make guaranteed-independent-timewise processes
1674823;1498528467;asciilifeform;on a pc
1674824;1498528472;asciilifeform;1 ) you might have a box with 1 cpu
1674825;1498528485;asciilifeform;2) you might have a box with 2+ cpu where the scheduler puts both of your processes on 1
1674826;1498528487;asciilifeform;3) cache exists.
1674827;1498528504;asciilifeform;and memory accesses will take variant time based on recent operations, by any and all threads.
1674828;1498528508;asciilifeform;on any and all cpu cores.
1674829;1498528536;sina;fine, what if we assume two independent computers
1674830;1498528551;asciilifeform;describe what they do, and how connected
1674831;1498528576;sina;same as above, but each computer houses 1 process respectively, connected over ethernet or whatever
1674832;1498528614;asciilifeform;if they are connected, and communicate, they are not time-independent
1674833;1498528617;asciilifeform;elementarily
1674834;1498528623;asciilifeform;it doesn't matter what they are connected with.
1674835;1498528645;asciilifeform;if you're sending bits from one to another, and using crypto that branches-on-secret-bits -- you are vulnerable.
1674836;1498528666;asciilifeform;this is like the perpetuum mobile. you cannot argue your way out of fundamental constraint.
1674837;1498528744;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1674838;1498528749;sina;vulnerable to what, exactly, is the question? I am struggling to see how timing can be ascertained from that kind of model, but it's only a thought experiment so I can steal your brain juices
1674839;1498531508;*;mircea_popescu waves
1674840;1498531510;sina;howdy sir
1674841;1498531619;mircea_popescu;nb!
1674842;1498531780;*;mircea_popescu confirms that indeed js-of-mp and mp-en-managua are legitimate mps
1674843;1498532012;sina;have fun in Managua?
1674844;1498532062;mircea_popescu;after a fashion!
1674845;1498532354;asciilifeform;wb mircea_popescu !
1674846;1498532359;mircea_popescu;why ty
1674847;1498532412;mod6;Hi mircea_popescu
1674848;1498532417;mircea_popescu;hola
1674849;1498532439;sina;alrighty, gonna go do some human stuff. have a good week all!
1674850;1498532535;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674362 << speaking of bigots : so i'm walking with girl through utter shithole, true poverty area. stench of sewage in the air, houses made out of $200 in materials and so on. i spot a rabid dog by that sure sign of drooping salivation, so i go in between and keep my eye on it.
1674851;1498532535;a111;Logged on 2017-06-25 22:30 erlehmann: BingoBoingo medusa magazine seems pretty reasonable, indeed https://medusamagazine.com/youre-a-bigot-if-you-wouldnt-have-sex-with-a-gay-friend
1674852;1498532581;mircea_popescu;some idle kids playing with rocks notice and one yells out "don bigote! don bigote! no muerde el perro!"
1674853;1498532605;mircea_popescu;and yes, the root is common.
1674854;1498532622;asciilifeform;lol!!
1674855;1498532668;mod6;haha wth?
1674856;1498532680;asciilifeform;did the kidz also droop salivate
1674857;1498532682;mircea_popescu;tis true. bigots = fixated people with beards you couldn't convince of your reasonable position, such as "the rabid dog doesn't bite" on the grounds of it not having bit yet, or "marrying your first cousin is fine" on the basis of hey, cunt that doesn't scare me!
1674858;1498532685;asciilifeform;or notyet
1674859;1498532694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notyet.
1674860;1498532714;mircea_popescu;i expect the dysentery to get them first though, judging by certain anatomic details.
1674861;1498532761;asciilifeform;shit where-they-stood a la africa ?
1674862;1498532772;mircea_popescu;i don't think so.
1674863;1498532780;asciilifeform;which detail then
1674864;1498532796;mircea_popescu;ah ah. too much abdomen for how sad their ribcages were.
1674865;1498532817;asciilifeform;ah so you meant dystrophy, not dysentery, neh
1674866;1498532841;asciilifeform;'auschwitz belly'
1674867;1498532876;mircea_popescu;well, various distended bellies.
1674868;1498532927;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to sewage : the thing civilised people generally fail to appreciate is just how insistently shit sticks to human agglomerations.
1674869;1498532937;mircea_popescu;it dun wanna go so easily, that's fo sho.
1674870;1498532991;asciilifeform;more of a case of finely evolved nose. we can smell it at nearly ppb.
1674871;1498533018;mircea_popescu;that, also.
1674872;1498533140;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./
1674873;1498533140;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 01:02 sina: but this presents a chicken/egg problem, where the peer "initiating" the addition will need to then advertise that key to the other peer and wait for a key back, and then initiate an update to the peer data to add in the advertised pubkey
1674874;1498533187;mircea_popescu;gossipd should hot be able to discover peers. (if you think about it, the ability to discover peers is another way to say "leaking data").
1674875;1498533223;asciilifeform;'a discovered peer' == 'a sybil'
1674876;1498533248;asciilifeform;sorta like 'shit stuck to bottom of shoe' is 'shit', and never snack
1674877;1498533338;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, kinda what i meant yest. while he's actually trying to implement, he discovers these things. the result may not be usable, but its building will have been useful. otherwise his only option is to nod along, not really comprehending what he's agreeing with, or to "rebel", and have "his own opinion", except also not really comprehending what he's talking about.
1674878;1498533365;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which is why i said to d00d, 'don't be disheartened '
1674879;1498533373;mircea_popescu;which is why we agree!
1674880;1498533674;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674422 << consider that the damage you already did to modern man's most important joint is permanent. do not add.
1674881;1498533674;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 05:39 ben_vulpes: on the "laptops suck" thread, now that i'm using an adult workstation most of the time, my hands start hurting after a bare thirty minutes on a 13" laptop kb
1674882;1498533737;asciilifeform;crapple kbd is egregiously, insidiously deadly, has ~0 'give', is rather like pounding a table
1674883;1498533741;asciilifeform;all day long...
1674884;1498533748;mod6;it's the worst.
1674885;1498533749;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674428 << i'll do this tomorrow, too displaced right nao for such werks.
1674886;1498533749;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 09:58 sina: if anyone wants to play https://github.com/sinner-/gossipd
1674887;1498533801;mod6;i really like the new kb i've been using. took a little while to get use to, but hands feel good after all day typing.
1674888;1498533819;asciilifeform;mod6: which is this
1674889;1498533826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674439 >> ahahaha
1674890;1498533826;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 12:37 erlehmann: sina have you checked all your input against a formal grammar today?
1674891;1498533871;mod6;concave job. 'kinesis advantage 2'
1674892;1498533900;asciilifeform;mod6: even rubbish membrane kbd that came with my 486 -- beats crapple lappy
1674893;1498533929;mod6;yeah, those are, like you said, like pounding on concrete
1674894;1498533949;asciilifeform;the latter must've been designed as an active fuckyou to people who actually enter text
1674895;1498533975;mod6;mhmm
1674896;1498534008;mircea_popescu;you're prolly supposed to speak it or who knows what shambling idiocy.
1674897;1498534009;asciilifeform;hard to picture such exquisite torture implement arising through mere happenstance
1674898;1498534044;mod6;yeah, seems like hardly an accident. supposed to talk to the goddamn thing. as if.
1674899;1498534137;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2017/06/supreme-court-lifts-lesser-court-injunctions-against-trump-travel-bans/ << i take it asciilifeform had no comment ? :D
1674900;1498535307;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674488 <<< for some reason the illustration featured a hercules, which is a prop not a jet, but w/e.
1674901;1498535307;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 16:35 trinque: clearly needs to upgrade to the f35, it's 19 better.
1674902;1498535358;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674489 << sounds entirely like The Drepperization. which is very much the only american technology style left.
1674903;1498535358;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 16:35 asciilifeform: 'Ever since IS&T started to undergo "The Transformation", there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt to change Computing at MIT for the worse. Services that have been relied on for years have been discontinued and turned down, frequently without notice. Infrastructure critical to running MIT has been outsourced to cloud services during "emergency maintenance". Most of these changes had minimal impact on students and faculty,
1674904;1498535426;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674495 << it's a... haaaard....lyffe!
1674905;1498535426;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 16:38 asciilifeform: they spent it all on... ethertardium?!
1674906;1498535582;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674511 <<< sadly this question is not unlike asking "has multiplication ever actually worked".
1674907;1498535582;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 16:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674434 << has hyperthreading ever actually worked ? ( see also... http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hyper-threading )
1674908;1498535980;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674534 << you can definitely make this in an evening by simply translating the extant lisp/python iirc impls.
1674909;1498535980;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 17:07 erlehmann: i am willing to abandon my redo efforts if v maketron suits my needs better. does there exist a v implementation in <500 lines of shell?
1674910;1498536382;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674899 << lol it takes time to generate commentz, i not long got back from long lulztrip
1674911;1498536382;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 03:28 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/supreme-court-lifts-lesser-court-injunctions-against-trump-travel-bans/ << i take it asciilifeform had no comment ? :D
1674912;1498536716;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674906 << ht is not a legitimate concept, like, e.g., pipelining, but instead an ill-conceived attempt to speed up 'winblows as it existed at the time'
1674913;1498536716;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 03:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674511 <<< sadly this question is not unlike asking "has multiplication ever actually worked".
1674914;1498536754;asciilifeform;it does 0 to well-written code -- other than slow down, and -- behold -- sometimes breaks semantics entirely
1674915;1498536981;asciilifeform;code that is built with awareness of the pipeline ~cannot~ leave any room for ht to have any useful effect - elementarily
1674916;1498537145;asciilifeform;( for n00bs : 'hyperthreading' attemps to marshal 'resources unused by the current instruction' - say, the ALU during a memory fetch - into becoming, through sleight of hand, 'a cpu core' that is , while said resources are available, behaving as a cpu, executing instructions )
1674917;1498537464;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/26/racing-for-a-cure-6-edmonton/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Racing for a Cure 6 – Edmonton
1674918;1498537784;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674592 << moreover, these are data containers, non reflective non recursive what's the similarity in tyhe fgirst6 place
1674919;1498537784;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 17:29 asciilifeform: if 'full builds are infeasible', your tree is mis-structured.
1674920;1498537922;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674605 << possibly one of the least visible pillars of tmsr for newcomers, because in world of socialist liquid shit everything is "mutable" ie liquid shit, and not accidentally. but because the only way socialism may masquerade as "sensible" is through rendering the past meaningless.
1674921;1498537922;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 17:31 asciilifeform: no changing-of-the-past.
1674922;1498538147;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674631 << "flash crash" lulz. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673315
1674923;1498538147;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 18:05 shinohai: Dat nearly 20% drop of ETH in 24 hrs >.>
1674924;1498538147;a111;Logged on 2017-06-22 07:44 mircea_popescu: to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along.
1674925;1498538271;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674638 <<< it's a good thing that the successful introduction of ipv6 rendered such considerations mute.
1674926;1498538271;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 20:07 asciilifeform: from earlier, lulz, 'In April 2017, an unexpected and disruptive change was made to the MIT network: the sale of historically MIT-allocated IP address ranges to external entities such as Amazon. The sale wasn't announced to the MIT community until after it had taken effect. '
1674927;1498538289;mircea_popescu;also amazon is only supporting python 3 with orcisms ; and other lulz.
1674928;1498538369;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674641 << awww.
1674929;1498538369;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 20:17 shinohai: http://archive.is/I9uUu #rekt
1674930;1498538554;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674651 << while phf is right, nobody lasts forever, and linus is getting old.
1674931;1498538554;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 23:02 phf: nah, that's your monthly occurrence.
1674932;1498538558;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674323 << aha
1674933;1498538558;a111;Logged on 2017-06-25 17:01 mp-en-managua: apparently fucktards learned nothing of the doge slaughter, still believe "promotion" matters.
1674934;1498538719;mircea_popescu;and in other disbeliefs, i can't imagine anyone'd fucking read that plaintive undisciplined-female-whining mailing list ffs. what the everloving fuck.
1674935;1498538751;mod6;shit show
1674936;1498538776;mircea_popescu;coding without v and without #t. how do they do it, i have nfi.
1674937;1498538852;*;mircea_popescu lolzd at the whole shoe problem, because nicaragua has a healthy contingent of dumb white whores who went there to suck native cock and "get in touch with teh earth" paddling around barefoot in the streets and "learning" the "fascinating" how to twist a necklage together "antique traditional skills" sandy invented last decade.
1674938;1498538875;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least they get buggered sore like a hobo's whore. that + gallo pinto > what they got at home.
1674939;1498538929;mod6;heheheh
1674940;1498539193;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima.
1674941;1498539193;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 00:57 asciilifeform: sina: one of the things gossipd needs is a constant-time-constant-space rsa. if you don't have one, enemy can derive your privkeys remotely based on timing.
1674942;1498539193;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 18:07 mircea_popescu: doth not entertain me
1674943;1498539398;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674709 << it's not clear to me what he means by session ; might be some internal-only thing (eg, lifetime of particular sig) which isn't breaking.
1674944;1498539398;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 01:02 asciilifeform: for one thing, there IS NO SESSION in gossipd (either my concept or either of mircea_popescu's two essays)
1674945;1498539555;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD542B4BEF18F141C7B6941F77348DB7B711C2E59FD22B9BCF8389711074965 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...2939 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.24.157.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.24.157.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (exchange.piccollo.cz. CZ)
1674946;1498539555;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD542B4BEF18F141C7B6941F77348DB7B711C2E59FD22B9BCF8389711074965 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...0867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.24.157.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.24.157.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (exchange.piccollo.cz. CZ)
1674947;1498540070;BingoBoingo; more of a case of finely evolved nose. we can smell it at nearly ppb. << Worst part of smoking cessation is having a sense of smell again. Still not sure it's worth it.
1674948;1498540131;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674940 << excepting the special case of the bots
1674949;1498540131;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 04:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima.
1674950;1498540172;mircea_popescu;well, obv this is at teh ops option. but i'd have imagined that not excepting.
1674951;1498540187;mircea_popescu;very trivial to make fixed time upping after all.
1674952;1498540242;mircea_popescu;!!up hair_soup
1674953;1498540242;deedbot;hair_soup voiced for 30 minutes.
1674954;1498540272;hair_soup;shenanigans!
1674955;1498540291;mircea_popescu;aaand who might you be
1674956;1498540299;hair_soup;oh, ben_vulpes
1674957;1498540336;mircea_popescu;a ok
1674958;1498540349;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
1674959;1498540349;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 03:24 mod6: concave job. 'kinesis advantage 2'
1674960;1498540397;BingoBoingo;!!up kcud_dab
1674961;1498540397;deedbot;kcud_dab voiced for 30 minutes.
1674962;1498540419;BingoBoingo;!!up renart
1674963;1498540419;deedbot;renart voiced for 30 minutes.
1674964;1498540426;hair_soup;aaaand there it goes.
1674965;1498540459;mod6;that was some uber lag
1674966;1498540535;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: unless the bot is to stay down until the op awakes?
1674967;1498540536;*;BingoBoingo has a simulated alf in head that complains Supreme Court review is too slow for Trumpreich to overturn all of the shitty lesser courts on everything
1674968;1498540557;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes !!up and then !!v +5 mins ?
1674969;1498540559;mod6;phf: nice, let me know if you get there. i'd like to re-map some of 'em too.
1674970;1498540670;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i mean to say in the case that the op is asleep when the bot goes offline, it'll stay that way until the op awakes
1674971;1498540690;mircea_popescu;and i mean to say that if the bot always verifies after a fixed time there's... fixed time.
1674972;1498540756;ben_vulpes;and must be an auto-decryptulator?
1674973;1498540771;mircea_popescu;not necessarily, but how'd you know.
1674974;1498540885;ben_vulpes;ah
1674975;1498541056;BingoBoingo;!!up candi_lustt
1674976;1498541056;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
1674977;1498541057;candi_lustt;deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/V2jvD/?raw=true
1674978;1498541072;mircea_popescu;lol
1674979;1498541076;*;ben_vulpes rolls eyes
1674980;1498541095;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes she should prolly move to control seq
1674981;1498541113;ben_vulpes;aye
1674982;1498541118;ben_vulpes;gonna need two while we're at it
1674983;1498541132;mircea_popescu;lemme check where we're at
1674984;1498541149;ben_vulpes;oh ffs now bots.contravex.com redirects to http://www.contravex.com/trilema-and-eulora-bots-directory/
1674985;1498541158;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes !W as lobbes got !Q
1674986;1498541239;ben_vulpes;may i have R as well?
1674987;1498541269;mod6;i see that http://trilema.com/2016/trilema-bot-spec/ -> http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory/
1674988;1498541274;mod6;not sure if that helps.
1674989;1498541294;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes for the same bot ?
1674990;1498541305;ben_vulpes;mod6: yeah, i bitched about that a day or so ago; now i have stale dns
1674991;1498541312;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: nono
1674992;1498541317;mircea_popescu;then yes.
1674993;1498541323;mod6;ben_vulpes: ah, aight.
1674994;1498541352;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ty
1674995;1498541353;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski << add !W for candi_lustt and !R for mimisbrunnr
1674996;1498541360;mircea_popescu;or was it the other way round
1674997;1498541382;ben_vulpes;a nod's as good as a wink to a blind man
1674998;1498541402;mircea_popescu;she's a sport ? ? ???
1674999;1498541446;ben_vulpes;does she? does she?
1675000;1498541476;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674737 << this is the fundamental problem here. if we're not really using encryption then we're not really using encryption.
1675001;1498541476;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 01:11 asciilifeform: and if i can break 1, can break any and all.
1675002;1498541483;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between encryption and obfuscation.
1675003;1498541731;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674765 << well, without crypto and without gossip. but then again the latter not meaningfully possible without former anyway.
1675004;1498541731;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 01:28 asciilifeform: irc is exactly 'gossipd without crypto'.
1675005;1498542038;mircea_popescu;heh
1675006;1498542144;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674809 << it does work, but at glacial speeds unfit for messaging. eg, !!v won't spill out of minutes-long windows.
1675007;1498542144;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 01:50 asciilifeform: arbitrary 'don't report the answer for T units of time' doesn't work, because you have no hard assurance of no spill.
1675008;1498542242;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!"
1675009;1498542242;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 01:55 sina: fine, what if we assume two independent computers
1675010;1498542310;BingoBoingo;AHA scintillatored FG clock
1675011;1498542328;BingoBoingo;As opposed to sintered FG cock
1675012;1498542894;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: done.
1675013;1498542898;mircea_popescu;ty
1675014;1498542911;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: shoot me a list of all the commands for your bots when you have a min.
1675015;1498542923;mircea_popescu;prolly in a few days thay
1675016;1498542961;pete_dushenski;all good
1675017;1498542969;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674872 << sorry I used the wrong term there, I meant the operator. what I ended up with re that query is approximately what you've got there, except it's a two step process. 1. gossipc --add-peer --name sina --host --port which furnishes you a pubkey you can exchange with that peer (and they vice versa with you) and a seperate command to set the peer key
1675018;1498542969;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 03:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./
1675019;1498542992;mircea_popescu;alright then
1675020;1498542994;pete_dushenski;also, yes, stale page ben_vulpes. url back to orig.
1675021;1498543019;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: it'll grow over time, i'll letcha know
1675022;1498543078;pete_dushenski;as they do. but if you could summarise what you have to date i can tableise them and post.
1675023;1498543117;ben_vulpes;mhm
1675024;1498543185;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1675025;1498543191;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2447.5, vol: 22759.91542862 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2460.999, vol: 9149.36296 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2428.1, vol: 37045.18114702 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2717.274662, vol: 13794.94400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2436.86, vol: 10020.0253678 | Volume-weighted last average: 2480.05106835
1675026;1498543207;BingoBoingo;Hmmm markets seemed to prefer mp as a jaguar spirit
1675027;1498543275;pete_dushenski;the love of great inca is a nasty habit to kick
1675028;1498543329;pete_dushenski;http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-06/24/c_136391168.htm << autonomous lulz. perhaps of interest to ben_vulpes
1675029;1498543352;ben_vulpes;har har har
1675030;1498543359;ben_vulpes;wire autocannon into carbot
1675031;1498543368;pete_dushenski;"Volvo Australia's technical manager David Pickett told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) on Saturday that his company has been trying to solve the issue for 18 months. He said the way a kangaroo moves completely bamboozles the system -- a problem they haven't had with other animals around the world."
1675032;1498543426;pete_dushenski;inb4 "you call that an autocannon, THIS is an autocannon" and roos shoot back
1675033;1498543448;mircea_popescu;spiders
1675034;1498543498;ben_vulpes;tank girl!
1675035;1498543754;BingoBoingo;So the solution is invasivitize roo's to the rest of the world to stop GoogAppAzon
1675036;1498544244;ben_vulpes;!!up candi_lustt
1675037;1498544244;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
1675038;1498544286;ben_vulpes;!W (mpfhf:mpfhf #*10101010101010101010101010101010101010 8)
1675039;1498544287;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: #*10111011
1675040;1498544289;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/v1lEX/?raw=true
1675041;1498544301;mircea_popescu;candi_lustt wanna sex ?
1675042;1498544337;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes can it be pushed into single line by appending the log bit ?
1675043;1498544358;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: "candi_lustt evals everything after !W in an SBCL environment with full access to the underlying host."
1675044;1498544388;mircea_popescu;"do not break it."
1675045;1498544449;ben_vulpes;needs saying?!
1675046;1498544461;mircea_popescu;possibly. who knows, manuals.
1675047;1498544505;ben_vulpes;look either you return the hooker in working order or kill her and hide the body and make yourself scarce.
1675048;1498544548;mircea_popescu;word.
1675049;1498544628;mircea_popescu;!W (ret "there is an atmosphere of toxic masculinity brewing in this channel!")
1675050;1498544629;candi_lustt;mircea_popescu: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NFMtc/?raw=true
1675051;1498544639;mircea_popescu;aok then
1675052;1498544846;ben_vulpes;!W 5
1675053;1498544847;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: 5
1675054;1498544949;BingoBoingo;!W cat niggers.txt
1675055;1498544950;candi_lustt;BingoBoingo: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FshDZ/?raw=true
1675056;1498545005;BingoBoingo;candi_lustt: das racis
1675057;1498545233;ben_vulpes;omg is lisp repl not fucking bash shell!!
1675058;1498545256;*;ben_vulpes cranks one-armed bandit again
1675059;1498545283;ben_vulpes;!!up candi_lustt
1675060;1498545284;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
1675061;1498545289;ben_vulpes;!W (mpfhf:mpfhf #*10101010101010101010101010101010101010 8)
1675062;1498545292;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: #*10111011 (more: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qCFXe/?raw=true)
1675063;1498545309;ben_vulpes;of course i need a space before the closing paren
1675064;1498545312;ben_vulpes;of course
1675065;1498545356;ben_vulpes;!!up candi_lustt
1675066;1498545356;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
1675067;1498545359;ben_vulpes;!W (mpfhf:mpfhf #*10101010101010101010101010101010101010 8)
1675068;1498545362;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: #*10111011 (more: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZzSOG/?raw=true )
1675069;1498545388;ben_vulpes;!W (values 1 2)
1675070;1498545405;ben_vulpes;figures.
1675071;1498545614;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=99
1675072;1498546183;ben_vulpes;should be good now
1675073;1498546439;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674880 << home orifice is another quarter or 4 months away yet; and the republic calls even in the dead of night
1675074;1498546439;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 03:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674422 << consider that the damage you already did to modern man's most important joint is permanent. do not add.
1675075;1498554864;sina;ok so I implemented some p2p encryption for the gossipd thingo
1675076;1498554894;sina;but each peer can see the msg plaintext of the messages for now
1675077;1498554921;sina;mircea_popescu: is it intention that there should be encryption from author to recipient as well?
1675078;1498568934;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675077 << there's no intention that there would be plaintext anything, wtf.
1675079;1498568934;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 09:15 sina: mircea_popescu: is it intention that there should be encryption from author to recipient as well?
1675080;1498569732;mod6;mornin'
1675081;1498569736;mircea_popescu;hey
1675082;1498569743;mod6;:]
1675083;1498570340;Framedragger;hehe https://github.com/infobyte/spoilerwall/blob/master/server-spoiler.py >> https://www.shodan.io/host/138.197.196.144
1675084;1498574224;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 << lol, are those f-keys rubber?!
1675085;1498574224;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
1675086;1498574351;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675006 << there are side-channels other than timing, and some -- readable from considerable distance
1675087;1498574351;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 05:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674809 << it does work, but at glacial speeds unfit for messaging. eg, !!v won't spill out of minutes-long windows.
1675088;1498574367;asciilifeform;( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671565 )
1675089;1498574367;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 19:45 asciilifeform: hypothetically i could even do it ( supposing your rsatron is mains-powered ) by observing the imperceptible dimming of the room lights, from 5km away
1675090;1498574378;asciilifeform;against these, 'time boxing' does 0.
1675091;1498574475;asciilifeform;hypothetically -- even ping time might well have enough of a correlation to cpu load, that you can distinguish 'remanent of time cushion' from 'still rsa-ing' and eliminate the cushion.
1675092;1498574485;asciilifeform;*remnant
1675093;1498574625;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675008 << this is actually more likely to sink you than simply using a very large time cushion would.
1675094;1498574625;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 05:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!"
1675095;1498574688;asciilifeform;( why -- i will leave as an exercise )
1675096;1498574701;mircea_popescu;hater!
1675097;1498574746;asciilifeform;lel
1675098;1498574783;asciilifeform;lulzily, it was mircea_popescu who originally taught asciilifeform this fact
1675099;1498574799;asciilifeform;i fughet when, might be in old l0gz
1675100;1498574868;mircea_popescu;republican humour, man. it's a thing.
1675101;1498574974;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674946 >> 'B2B BABY ... Chcete se stát naším obchodním partnerem?'
1675102;1498574974;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 04:59 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD542B4BEF18F141C7B6941F77348DB7B711C2E59FD22B9BCF8389711074965 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...0867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.24.157.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.24.157.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (exchange.piccollo.cz. CZ)
1675103;1498575087;asciilifeform;in other hilarities, http://www.rubos.com
1675104;1498575157;asciilifeform;e.g. 'MH has been found on Intel motherboards around 2007 – 2008 in Russia. Intel Corporation has never announced that it had or has a hypervisor in BMC system management software. We did not get any comments from the corporation after we provided a copy of the paper.'
1675105;1498575185;asciilifeform;d00d posted it to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674934 list and of course banhammered as 'off topic'
1675106;1498575185;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 04:45 mircea_popescu: and in other disbeliefs, i can't imagine anyone'd fucking read that plaintive undisciplined-female-whining mailing list ffs. what the everloving fuck.
1675107;1498575199;mircea_popescu;heh
1675108;1498575229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tell him to maybe consider qntraing it ?
1675109;1498575239;asciilifeform;i dun post no moar
1675110;1498575257;asciilifeform;banned as veteran spammer, after phuctor thread
1675111;1498575283;asciilifeform;and, are the swine worth the pearls.
1675112;1498575296;mircea_popescu;hm. BingoBoingo see if dood wants to write a qntra post ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you and all that.
1675113;1498575313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with that eval is that you don't know until after they aren't worth the pearls.
1675114;1498575342;asciilifeform;tru!!
1675115;1498575372;asciilifeform;which is why on occasion i strap into the bathyscaph and go
1675116;1498575381;mircea_popescu;anyway, getting the "unhappened" to at least know there's a name for it can't hurty anything
1675117;1498575403;mircea_popescu;well, not anything worth caring about at any rate
1675118;1498575508;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674948 << which bot here does secret key ops ?
1675119;1498575508;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 05:08 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674940 << excepting the special case of the bots
1675120;1498575518;asciilifeform;( enciphering a challenge is not a secretkeyop )
1675121;1498575640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they respond to deedbot
1675122;1498575758;asciilifeform;afaik deedbot is currently the only thing auto-signing ( inside its tx-issuing trb )
1675123;1498575786;mircea_popescu;that's bitcoin style
1675124;1498576127;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674920 << i took a 300+km trip by train, on east coast of usa, not long ago, and it was quite a sight - carcasses of dead factories, ex-trainstations belonging to ex-towns, and other 'dead past' that 'unhappened', plain for naked eye to see
1675125;1498576127;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 04:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674605 << possibly one of the least visible pillars of tmsr for newcomers, because in world of socialist liquid shit everything is "mutable" ie liquid shit, and not accidentally. but because the only way socialism may masquerade as "sensible" is through rendering the past meaningless.
1675126;1498576517;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674902 << there is a handy post-su word, 'распил' ('sawing-apart') to describe the process
1675127;1498576517;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 03:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674489 << sounds entirely like The Drepperization. which is very much the only american technology style left.
1675128;1498576571;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675118 << isn't deciphering a challenge an instance of a secret key op?
1675129;1498576571;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 14:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674948 << which bot here does secret key ops ?
1675130;1498576580;asciilifeform;basic idea - a vermin gets control of, e.g., factory, and processes it as a raw-material base - carefully organizes the disassembly and stealing of what-can-be-stolen, systematically, piece by piece, replacing with 'cheap prothesis' when possible to keep the budget dripping in for as long as practical
1675131;1498576616;asciilifeform;hence 'hey d00dz, why is mit email suddenly in 'cloud' ??!'
1675132;1498576629;asciilifeform;and the evaporating ip blocks, etc.
1675133;1498576647;mircea_popescu;hey, as socialism runs out of the agar, reverts to capitalism
1675134;1498576662;mircea_popescu;gotta take whatever's left out of the hands of the redditards.
1675135;1498576672;asciilifeform;and into the hands of other redditards, lol
1675136;1498576677;mircea_popescu;nicaragua awaits them, by the way. very awoke place.\
1675137;1498576700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whoever steals from the stupid man is a cut above the stupid man, whatever his foibles.
1675138;1498576790;asciilifeform;Framedragger: deciphering challenge happens on ~your~ end, not deedbot's
1675139;1498576800;Framedragger;ah, that's what you meant, yeah ok
1675140;1498576811;Framedragger;(true, of course)
1675141;1498576849;Framedragger;yeah i guess that's a nice thing with deedbot, it doesn't need secret key for most of the stuff incl. challenges..
1675142;1498577117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me that, e.g., the mit theft, involved any guile or initiative -- is simply the idiot inheritors disassembling their father's house
1675143;1498577153;mircea_popescu;maybe. it doesn't matter : items must increase their market circulation. wife of socialist -> whore ; factory of socialist -> scrap iron, etcetera.
1675144;1498577168;mircea_popescu;money doesn't need anyone to understand what it's doing.
1675145;1498577171;asciilifeform;is raven on battlefield, eating eyes of a corpse, 'a cut above' the soldier?
1675146;1498577184;mircea_popescu;it's alive, innit.
1675147;1498577261;asciilifeform;for him the hour also comes.
1675148;1498577277;mircea_popescu;but -- dead soldier had some proteins locked up. they're getting unlocked.
1675149;1498577295;mircea_popescu;that's the whole thing : my keeping some women out of circulation is a reflection of my power.
1675150;1498577302;asciilifeform;everything gets unlocked.
1675151;1498577303;mircea_popescu;gotta first have that power.
1675152;1498577312;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eventually, sure.
1675153;1498577334;mircea_popescu;but the whole point of life is that retention, temporary as it may be.
1675154;1498577337;asciilifeform;aha.
1675155;1498577341;asciilifeform;we had the membrane thread iirc.
1675156;1498577345;mircea_popescu;right.
1675157;1498577457;asciilifeform;in other recent lulzies, http://archive.is/B3QXF >> 'KMail’s ‘Send Later’ caused PGP encrypted private emails to be sent in plain-text'
1675158;1498577471;asciilifeform;Run Moar UserFriendlies
1675159;1498577489;asciilifeform;'This vulnerability led KMail to not encrypt email messages scheduled to be sent with a delay, even when KMail gave every indication that the email contents would be encrypted using OpenPGP.
1675160;1498577493;asciilifeform;'
1675161;1498577496;mircea_popescu;lmao
1675162;1498577575;mod6;'sorry for your plaintext sekrets'
1675163;1498577585;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does it even have access to key
1675164;1498577616;asciilifeform;'i dun wanna raise an' lower the reactor rods by hand!111 too much exercise' 'ugh the indicator told me they lowered and turns out not!11 help'
1675165;1498577652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idjits have this fondness for 'automate and transparentize pgp' etc
1675166;1498577710;mircea_popescu;right, so as to maximally expose it to the earlier matters discussed
1675167;1498578515;shinohai;Good morning tmsr
1675168;1498578526;shinohai;TIL Russia is in Europe: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-attack-idUSKBN19I1TD
1675169;1498578580;asciilifeform;shinohai: nono, see, the ukrs are Officially Nao Europe
1675170;1498578592;asciilifeform;'Path Towards Europe' (tm)(r) etc
1675171;1498578682;shinohai;lolz
1675172;1498578816;asciilifeform;meanwhile also in the fishwrap, http://archive.is/t9BoT >> 'Reputed New York gangster released from prison at age 100' << '... in and out of prison for much of his adult life ... most recently incarcerated, at the age of 93 in 2010, for a racketeering conspiracy involving the shakedown of New York strip clubs.'
1675173;1498578863;shinohai;Read that the other day, *own son* ratted on him at one point. Omerta is ded.
1675174;1498578926;mircea_popescu;you kidding ? everyone wanna talk! they're just happy if anyone's even giving the appearance of listening.
1675175;1498578929;mircea_popescu;facebookerta.
1675176;1498579134;asciilifeform;meanwhile lulz in ru world : their version of 'silkroad' , but the local custom is to use burial in public places, rather than parcels via the post. so various folx go and... dig 'for treasure'
1675177;1498579229;mircea_popescu;not even bad idea
1675178;1498579244;asciilifeform;iirc we discussed it here, as a theoretical.
1675179;1498579249;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1675180;1498579252;asciilifeform;and of course ancient idea, 'dead drop'
1675181;1498579266;mircea_popescu;course ustards are too useless to dig anything
1675182;1498579280;shinohai;This is also known thing in city where one gets texted a "drop point" that requires recipient to find geocache of sorts
1675183;1498579297;asciilifeform;shinohai: is how spies worked, for century+
1675184;1498579306;mircea_popescu;to this day, give or take.
1675185;1498579318;asciilifeform;'leave the film cassette betweeen 15th and 16th brick in such-such wall' etc
1675186;1498579339;shinohai;But of course, was merely adopted by friendly neighborhood street-corner pharmaceutical representatives.
1675187;1498579369;asciilifeform;the interesting bit re ru is that the dope parcels buried are so small that the operators make ~0 attempt to interfere with 'treasure hunters' who paid 0
1675188;1498579378;asciilifeform;% of loss considered acceptable, 'priced in'
1675189;1498579411;mircea_popescu;not what it is. dealer always gives out freebies to interested parties who can wait.
1675190;1498579421;mircea_popescu;tits optional
1675191;1498579424;asciilifeform;reportedly, the 'emplacers' regularly get picked up by police and sentenced to 20y, but this, naturally, does 0, new ones -- appear when needed
1675192;1498579522;asciilifeform;also reportedly parks, benches, etc in various towns became a comical sight , where diggers rummage in the earth, like truffle pigs, looking for ???
1675193;1498579560;mircea_popescu;would be funny if all that's left of white civilisation in a century or two is a collection of inexplicable nutty habits, such as ^
1675194;1498579563;mircea_popescu;and no more.
1675195;1498579587;mircea_popescu;pressing ctrl-c ctrl-v in succession, buttons printed on a wall. etc.
1675196;1498579686;asciilifeform;arguably there already.
1675197;1498579862;asciilifeform;re 'buried treasure', i'm somewhat surprised that this approach did not (afaik) catch on in usa
1675198;1498579876;asciilifeform;where there is plenty of good landscape for such
1675199;1498579894;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675181
1675200;1498579894;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 16:01 mircea_popescu: course ustards are too useless to dig anything
1675201;1498579924;asciilifeform;dunno that this is so -- i routinely see folx with 'minesweepers' in, e.g., parks, looking for ???
1675202;1498579932;asciilifeform;nobody bothers'em either
1675203;1498579934;mircea_popescu;consumers, dude. they're willing to say some magic incantations / "use the juice", but they ain't fucking willing to not use the post office.
1675204;1498579967;mircea_popescu;ask one. to the fried up mind of the ustarded consumer, "that'd be tantamount to synthesizing the item myself"
1675205;1498579983;mircea_popescu;you know, cuz he's seen a 3d printer once, so totally.
1675206;1498580013;asciilifeform;again, plenty of 'honest cunning' among the us folx. but you won't read of it in the beobachter reddit, no.
1675207;1498580028;asciilifeform;the latter will, yes, dwell on toy choppers etc
1675208;1498580048;mircea_popescu;well, the druggies happen to be === the redditards, so.
1675209;1498580066;mircea_popescu;there's a reason silk road failed to attract as much business as a lemonade stand.
1675210;1498580068;asciilifeform;( re '3d print pistol', i strongly suspect that whole thing is a psyop, to distract from cheap and effective cnc milling )
1675211;1498580082;mircea_popescu;cnc milling takes work.
1675212;1498580117;mircea_popescu;it's always the same thing with these shitstains. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509011
1675213;1498580117;a111;Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them'
1675214;1498580131;asciilifeform;in fact '3d print' takes an astonishing amount of work. extremely finicky process, takes much 'babysit'
1675215;1498580186;mircea_popescu;somehow that dun count.
1675216;1498580189;asciilifeform;~sold~, yes, as '0 work'
1675217;1498580192;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's not patriarchy-racist or w/e
1675218;1498580367;asciilifeform;the moar interesting, imho, aspect of the ru buriedtreasure thing is that ( again, thirdhandedly ) it is managed as a pure 'btc-in btc-out' operation
1675219;1498580436;asciilifeform;i.e. operator sits far, far away, and pays lieutenant to obtain 500g of $substance and bury. then 'packager' gets coordinates, and excavates, then reburies in aliquots of 1g
1675220;1498580442;asciilifeform;and takes photos, records coords of ea.
1675221;1498580463;asciilifeform;then purchasers get coords, pick up.
1675222;1498580484;asciilifeform;operator never sets foot within 3000km of all of this. just sends, receives coin.
1675223;1498580525;asciilifeform;as for how the wotronics are managed -- i have nfi
1675224;1498580539;asciilifeform;but considering that the apparent arrangement stands and falls wholly on wotronics -- i'd guess pretty well.
1675225;1498582854;mircea_popescu;yes, bitcoin renders "the state" obsolete.
1675226;1498582952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing
1675227;1498582964;mircea_popescu;it does ?
1675228;1498582994;asciilifeform;and, in same piece, the 'meatless contraband is a reddit trendoid thing and will vanish soon' thing
1675229;1498583022;asciilifeform;seems like there is massive set of dope aficionados that wants milligram AND wants no-face-meeting
1675230;1498583032;mircea_popescu;i think you're supplementing by imagination all sorts of corners. there's a cost to bury.
1675231;1498583032;asciilifeform;unless whole thing is disinfo.
1675232;1498583047;asciilifeform;for all i know -- whole thing is a fabrication
1675233;1498583064;mircea_popescu;and if i'm going to go dig up rabbit, im not digging up a spoonfull, im digging up enough to fill freezer.
1675234;1498583102;asciilifeform;if the 'dead drop dope' thing is actually true as reported -- it is a 'britneyization', the dealer replaces 1 mircea_popescu with 10,001 milligramderps
1675235;1498583105;mircea_popescu;reddit trendoid thing is "omg 3d printing GUNZ!!!" as well as "OMG USPS DRUGZZ!!!" etc
1675236;1498583107;asciilifeform;for -- presumably -- +ev
1675237;1498583125;mircea_popescu;where is such thing reported, other than your own reading.
1675238;1498583227;asciilifeform;!~google нарко закладки
1675239;1498583228;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Закладки наркотиков в подъезде: как бороться? – Вопрос: ; Закладки в подъездах! - Pikabu: ; [УЖАС] Наркоманы ищут закладку (наркотики) перед детьми в ...: (1 more message)
1675240;1498583268;mircea_popescu;meanwhile irl, if you cut a brick of coke 3:1 and bury the resulting miligrams indisivuallty you will be digging a million ditches.
1675241;1498583277;asciilifeform;beauty is -- not YOU will dig
1675242;1498583281;asciilifeform;but 1,001 expendable idiots.
1675243;1498583285;mircea_popescu;link to the "about 1mn ditches per brick" piece.
1675244;1498583301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this part exists entirely in the fantasticly fertile imagination that also has them on boats.
1675245;1498583312;mircea_popescu;possibly made of frozen sawdust.
1675246;1498583427;asciilifeform;again , whole thing could be ~fabrication. but not mine, but of ru prosecutors. https://archive.is/8Gzus << example from 2016.
1675247;1498583469;asciilifeform;but i see nothing inherently fantastic about the notion that 1,001 derps each of whom buys a ??? of unknown purity for 1,001% markup, could be +ev vs conventional 'brick' buyer.
1675248;1498583483;mircea_popescu;the million ditches.,
1675249;1498583550;mircea_popescu;even if such a dig takes less than one hour of derp's time and no transportation, the fact remains that 1mn hours of minimum wage are > 1mn $ even in russhitia ; wheas a brick of anything is < 100k.
1675250;1498583581;asciilifeform;spammers work > for < pay..
1675251;1498583596;mircea_popescu;there's better things to do with an army of obedient dorks ready to die than this.
1675252;1498583665;mircea_popescu;farming them out to ourdemocracy "ngo"s comes to mind.
1675253;1498584674;BingoBoingo; hm. BingoBoingo see if dood wants to write a qntra post ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you and all that. << Which dude where?
1675254;1498584688;mircea_popescu;the one that got bannered
1675255;1498584730;*;BingoBoingo tried detangling logthread to figure out who got banned from what
1675256;1498585816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: according to the $sources, they dun dig 'ditch', but very low-effort and laughably shallow holes, with, e.g., duct tape 'flag' sticking out; underneath park benches; etc
1675257;1498585832;mircea_popescu;still gotta get there.
1675258;1498585857;asciilifeform;'there' turns out to be in public places, and both 'hiders' and 'seekers' routinely caught
1675259;1498585867;asciilifeform;but somehow still appeals.
1675260;1498585901;mircea_popescu;so more like a game of childhood than anything
1675261;1498585909;asciilifeform;parks, lobby of apt house, similar
1675262;1498585973;asciilifeform;when i first heard of the practice, i also assumed 'in the forest, like gru agents' etc. -- but turns out, no, in park benches, rubbish bins.
1675263;1498586021;asciilifeform;whole thing imho interesting ~solely from the perspective of '1mn hours of labour, yes, but unpaid'
1675264;1498586024;asciilifeform;like spam.
1675265;1498586046;asciilifeform;the ample idle hours of homo redditicus ~will~ be harvested
1675266;1498586059;asciilifeform;one way or another. 'uber', dope treasure, whichever.
1675267;1498586243;asciilifeform;the other interesting aspect of '1,001 idjits vs 1 brick buyer' is that the former are somewhat accustomed to ~not finding anything~ in the indicated coords
1675268;1498586264;asciilifeform;and so '1 brick' is bezzlated into equiv of 1*K bricks, where K is a pos. constant
1675269;1498586282;asciilifeform;and separately from any dilutions of the customary kind (which are , presumably , also in play)
1675270;1498586296;BingoBoingo;email sent
1675271;1498586582;mircea_popescu;a nice. now lessee if anything happens huh.
1675272;1498586607;BingoBoingo; dunno that this is so -- i routinely see folx with 'minesweepers' in, e.g., parks, looking for ??? << loose change
1675273;1498586609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform drugs are already bezzled to all hell
1675274;1498586615;BingoBoingo;jew-elry etc
1675275;1498586630;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i can't picture the loose change thing being +ev
1675276;1498586658;mircea_popescu;i thought you didn't think that mattered
1675277;1498586680;asciilifeform;i suppose there are nuts, for whom ~nothing matters
1675278;1498586703;mircea_popescu;here's the thing : the per-hour value rummaging throughb park from finding drugz ~= from finding loose change.
1675279;1498586719;mircea_popescu;i don't even fucking take coins.
1675280;1498586727;asciilifeform;incidentally it is in principle possible to make a ~cheap njd, that would fine moar valuable 'dropped item' in a day than a platoon of minesweepers
1675281;1498586731;asciilifeform;(e.g. lost pnojes, etc)
1675282;1498586735;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing << milligrams isn't a market, its retail
1675283;1498586746;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is quite astonishing that usg still bothers to mint coins
1675284;1498586765;mircea_popescu;esp considering they doin't want them back
1675285;1498586773;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dope aficionados presumably dig 'for truffle' to ~eat~, rather than sell
1675286;1498586779;asciilifeform;when they run out of what to buy with
1675287;1498586785;mircea_popescu;ie loose change.
1675288;1498586814;mircea_popescu;anyway, it has a fine profile to reeducate idiots. "dig-find-love" or how did that "book"/"movement" go
1675289;1498586843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your bananistan still mints coins also ?!
1675290;1498586855;mircea_popescu;o ya.
1675291;1498586858;asciilifeform;nuts.
1675292;1498586862;mircea_popescu;great coins here, too, total dubloons
1675293;1498586869;mircea_popescu;of course the larger one is ~1 dollar
1675294;1498586888;asciilifeform;are they often met with ?
1675295;1498586899;BingoBoingo; meanwhile irl, if you cut a brick of coke 3:1 and bury the resulting miligrams indisivuallty you will be digging a million ditches. << 3000, who gets less than a gram of coke?
1675296;1498586913;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he was on about mgs
1675297;1498586918;BingoBoingo;AH
1675298;1498586952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams
1675299;1498586969;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: i can't picture the loose change thing being +ev << Well less ev if you get minesweeper at garage sale for 1/10th retail because initial purchaser realized -ev
1675300;1498586988;mircea_popescu;typical sitting ? prolly a sugarbowl's worth
1675301;1498587015;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'minesweeper' costs, what, 50bux new
1675302;1498587021;asciilifeform;like hammer.
1675303;1498587032;asciilifeform;not hightech.
1675304;1498587032;mircea_popescu;nah, the better ones are hundreds
1675305;1498587046;asciilifeform;still not megacapital.
1675306;1498587055;mircea_popescu;well now that all depends.
1675307;1498587057;BingoBoingo;AHA and ~$5 to $10 at garage sale after original purchaser learns math
1675308;1498587057;asciilifeform;(i.e. less than typical ameritard's pnoje)
1675309;1498587082;mircea_popescu;phone has functions!!!
1675310;1498587192;mircea_popescu;anyway. cocaine is one of those items that don't produice leftovers. party will expand until all available consumed.
1675311;1498587209;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams << Typical cocaine use is gram after gram after gram after gram, I imagine mp or Tiger Woods level is sugar bowl or candy dish set out in advance
1675312;1498587218;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have difficulty picturing the protagonists of $redditardmarket using 'at party'
1675313;1498587229;mircea_popescu;~its only utility, really.
1675314;1498587229;asciilifeform;more plausibly they eat alone, while watching anime
1675315;1498587230;ben_vulpes;going to parties, even
1675316;1498587234;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They still use until consumed
1675317;1498587240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's more a ketamine thing.
1675318;1498587247;BingoBoingo;Principal effect of cocaine intoxication is a desire for more cocaine
1675319;1498587256;asciilifeform;paging gabriel_laddel !!
1675320;1498587257;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and nudity.
1675321;1498587265;asciilifeform;is there a gabriel_laddel in ze house
1675322;1498587271;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I thought that was more of a PCP thing
1675323;1498587288;mircea_popescu;pcp goes mostly with the roids nuts afaik
1675324;1498587297;asciilifeform;~later tell btw gabriel_laddel you oughta have received the old comp by nao
1675325;1498587301;asciilifeform;!~later tell btw gabriel_laddel you oughta have received the old comp by nao
1675326;1498587302;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1675327;1498587321;BingoBoingo;!~later tell btw Sup
1675328;1498587321;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1675329;1498587515;asciilifeform;in other non-noose, nobody yet bought orlol's ship
1675330;1498587552;asciilifeform;i wonder, how long these typically sit around and rust
1675331;1498587577;asciilifeform;( the photos suggest that there are possibly rustable parts in it )
1675332;1498587628;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe it sucks?
1675333;1498587637;asciilifeform;also not long ago i was bored on a train and found myself reading the tech docs to the diesel in that thing ( apparently a very common model.) surprisingly ( to asciilifeform ) the 'water going into the tailpipe when motor not running' is still considered an open engineering problem...
1675334;1498587663;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: by the paper specs it seems to be a steal for the price. possibly the problem mircea_popescu mentioned ('lemons') is the tru reason.
1675335;1498587690;asciilifeform;'lemon car' breaks down on interstate; 'lemon' ship -- 'to davy jones's locker'
1675336;1498587705;BingoBoingo;Well, general with vehicles of any sort... At the point the price becomes a "steal" yes, ownership costs far more than price tag
1675337;1498587854;asciilifeform;at a certain price tag it'd be worth having just for lulz, and to ride within swimming range of land
1675338;1498587879;asciilifeform;... or possibly not, i have nfi what 'parking' costs for such a beast
1675339;1498587956;asciilifeform;speaking of which, i saw, i shit thee not, a child-sized motorcycle
1675340;1498587982;asciilifeform;entirely working thing, running on laptop (must be) battery, boy of ~8 was rocketing along on it..
1675341;1498588005;asciilifeform;i had nfi this existed.
1675342;1498588018;asciilifeform;not handcrafted thing, either, quite polished, likely - chinese
1675343;1498588429;ben_vulpes;"dress your kids in plastic and train them on lipos"
1675344;1498588432;ben_vulpes;fuckin idiots
1675345;1498588490;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you've seen the gas powered 'minibikes' though, right?
1675346;1498588640;asciilifeform;not in boy size
1675347;1498588665;asciilifeform;and this thing did not at all resemble ordinary bicycle or 'moped' -- was miniature copy of 'kawasaki ninja' i think
1675348;1498588723;ben_vulpes;at least kiddo was zooming, and had the opportunity to fall over
1675349;1498588743;ben_vulpes;korean neighbor of mine was nervously pacing his kid in an electric 'lotus' knockoff last week
1675350;1498588748;ben_vulpes;moving at no greater than 2 mph
1675351;1498588782;ben_vulpes;oh god what's going to happen, he'll lose control and scramble out of the thing, falling all of six inches?
1675352;1498588785;ben_vulpes;gimme a break
1675353;1498588789;asciilifeform;lol training for 'whale cart' as pictured in BingoBoingo's material
1675354;1498588808;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675084 << apparently it's the wrong keyboard :o i used to use advantage back in the day, but now it's https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-for-mac/
1675355;1498588808;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 14:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 << lol, are those f-keys rubber?!
1675356;1498588950;phf;i actually like advantage, but it encourages chording, which you hate. those rubber f-keys definitely don't help, but after a while that extra travel time to f-keys gets annoying anyway.
1675357;1498588967;phf;!#s arensito
1675358;1498588968;a111;3 results for "arensito", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=arensito
1675359;1498589061;TomServo;hey asciilifeform they even got foot pedals!
1675360;1498589066;asciilifeform;who
1675361;1498589072;asciilifeform;kinesis ? i had theirs
1675362;1498589075;TomServo;Oh.
1675363;1498589078;asciilifeform;imho sucked
1675364;1498589096;asciilifeform;cheapo rubbish
1675365;1498589099;phf;freestyle 2 lacks numpad, but has an extra two columns of keys on the right, sun style, which is unfortunately bound to a bunch of windows/mac functions (like cut/copy). i mostly figured out how to change what those keys send though..
1675366;1498589109;asciilifeform;i'd like to know where i can get a comp pedal that i can REST FUCKING FOOT on
1675367;1498589134;asciilifeform;rather than hover and give myself repetitivestress in joint that nobody even thought of doing it to previously
1675368;1498589149;asciilifeform;what kind of imbecile designs for 'hovering'.
1675369;1498589169;asciilifeform;phf: reminds me of sun's kbd
1675370;1498589249;BingoBoingo; and this thing did not at all resemble ordinary bicycle or 'moped' -- was miniature copy of 'kawasaki ninja' i think << Pit bike. Where I grew up if my parents were cooler,tis likely a thing I could have played with
1675371;1498589281;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun think the battery existed then
1675372;1498589318;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674678 << mine was written in cweb, i.e. the literate programming thing for c. i haven't finished it, but i got bogged on configuration management.
1675373;1498589318;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 00:54 asciilifeform: phf has a very similar gossipd in commonlisp, for instance
1675374;1498589333;asciilifeform;aah
1675375;1498589334;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Oh I thought we were talking awesome 2-strokes dirtbikes and pitbikes.
1675376;1498589355;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no, this was this tiny, ~silent thing, that still went at ~motorcycle speed
1675377;1498589392;asciilifeform;no 'vroom', no busybodies coming from miles around to see 'why is 8yo kid on a motorbike'
1675378;1498589392;BingoBoingo;Well there in cooler days were loud things that went at motorcycle speed. Battery thing is for losers
1675379;1498589400;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for suburbia
1675380;1498589431;phf;in fact i think i'm going to rip out some of the messier linked lists etc. management parts and simply wire in shiva. obviously wouldn't want to use it in the field, but mostly as a thing in itself
1675381;1498589474;asciilifeform;phf: out of what didja make the rsa ?
1675382;1498589517;phf;oh it's the same design as sina, slinging openpgp "packets"
1675383;1498589522;asciilifeform;aah ok
1675384;1498589602;phf;of only interest, it's got a state machine that knows how to parse (and validate as far as allocation and "how big is it?") individual packets, byte by byte and collect them until passing them on to gnupg
1675385;1498589604;asciilifeform;ftr cweb is interesting
1675386;1498589623;asciilifeform;phf: i posted one of these for 'p' recently
1675387;1498589627;asciilifeform;it's the Right Thing.
1675388;1498589699;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JPnpq/?raw=true << repost, for aficionados.
1675389;1498589712;phf;oh i missed that
1675390;1498589713;mod6;<+a111> Logged on 2017-06-27 14:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 << lol, are those f-keys rubber?! << apparently the older versions were indeed rubber. they've since gotten rid of that, and are now plastic.
1675391;1498589713;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
1675392;1498589741;mod6;they annoyme... but really all i use is the ESC key, which i've since replaced the windows key with a new normal esc key and remapped.
1675393;1498589777;asciilifeform;mod6: i like 'f' keys.
1675394;1498589784;phf;ascii friendly version of advantage would be "maltron"
1675395;1498589788;asciilifeform;use'em for, e.g., flipping buffers in emacs, etc
1675396;1498589789;phf;http://xahlee.info/kbd/i3/Maltron_keyboard-17420-s.jpg
1675397;1498589806;asciilifeform;phf: i saw maltron for first and last time in 1980s-era b00k on 'fun of computing' or sumthing
1675398;1498589807;mod6;asciilifeform: ahh
1675399;1498589814;asciilifeform;phf: dunno whether they still made
1675400;1498589836;asciilifeform;mod6: 'midnight commander' also likes fkeys
1675401;1498589839;phf;yeah i wonder, i looked into it 10+ years ago, and punted at the $2000 or whatever price tag
1675402;1498589849;asciilifeform;hence why i consider a box without fat, easy-to-reach 'f's, ~unusable
1675403;1498589856;asciilifeform;2000 << lol!!
1675404;1498589865;asciilifeform;is custom machined to fit yer hands, of shitanium??
1675405;1498589886;asciilifeform;( if not -- why not?! for 2000 i can have own motherfucking kbd machined. out of steel. )
1675406;1498589901;asciilifeform;and at some point i might even do it.
1675407;1498589903;phf;http://www.maltron.com/store/p20/Maltron_L90_dual_hand_fully_ergonomic_%283D%29_keyboard_-_US_English.html apparently only $500
1675408;1498589906;BingoBoingo;But will it be a very good keyboard?
1675409;1498589925;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the keys are the hard part, not the keyboard
1675410;1498589934;asciilifeform;( how to make buckling spring is not a secret )
1675411;1498589943;phf;has builtin trackball even, in the right place
1675412;1498589951;asciilifeform;looks like like in the b00k
1675413;1498589953;asciilifeform;pretty neat
1675414;1498589959;asciilifeform;i wonder what the switches are like
1675415;1498589977;BingoBoingo;All sorts of botique business endavors are born thinking "Better materials!!!" are a panacea, then they build their product, and it turns out there are design considerations beyond material
1675416;1498589980;asciilifeform;the site seems to be silent re switches.
1675417;1498590020;phf;it's because their own design, "maltron switches". sometimes it's an option on those "mechanical keyboard" sites, so i wouldn't be surprised if the switches are good
1675418;1498590049;asciilifeform;http://www.maltron.com/cherry-mx-switches.html << looks like they use cherries nao
1675419;1498590051;phf;http://www.maltron.com/cherry-mx-switches.html
1675420;1498590055;asciilifeform;lol
1675421;1498590065;*;asciilifeform not fond of cherry switch
1675422;1498590072;asciilifeform;they feel cheap, and they break.
1675423;1498590082;asciilifeform;and when they do you geeeetttttt thiiiiis
1675424;1498590116;asciilifeform;sadly they ( and taiwanese 'alps' clone ) are the ~only 'clickies' in new production afaik today.
1675425;1498590173;asciilifeform;the '50 million cycles' thing is a bold lie.
1675426;1498590176;mod6;<+phf> has builtin trackball even, in the right place << this would be handy. mine doesn't have this. having to take my hands off the board gets annoying.
1675427;1498590194;asciilifeform;( or possibly a half-truth -- perhaps it really does go 50m cycles before ~open circuit~ failure. but 'bounce' begins looong before )
1675428;1498590221;phf;mod6: people have modded that advantage to have a trackball in the middle, with a variety of approaches. there's actually hollow space there
1675429;1498590270;mod6;those maltron boards look nice. i didn't get one because it's nearly 2x as much as the kinesis.. and had no idea if i could even get used to the concave thing.
1675430;1498590282;asciilifeform;'Maltron keyboards are expensive by comparison and for many people represent a considerable investment. They are hand made from sheet materials which are formed and punched to make the shell or body of the keyboard. Cherry MX key switches are individually fitted by hand. The switch contacts are wired up into a scanning XY matrix by hand. In fact everything is done on an individual basis by hand. This does not result in a $5 product.
1675431;1498590282;asciilifeform;But is does result in a product that is reliable not just to start with, but in ten or more years time.' << sounds great, but hey folx, why not make buckling springs like normal people!111
1675432;1498590285;mod6;phf: ah no shit huh?
1675433;1498590308;asciilifeform;i'd buy a several$k kbd if 0 plastic.
1675434;1498590324;asciilifeform;(and honest f-keys.)
1675435;1498590326;mod6;ah, ya, you wanted metal one right?
1675436;1498590335;asciilifeform;stainless, ideally.
1675437;1498590454;phf;i've at some point went through a mechanical keyboard site and ordered 6 different boards with all the available switches from different manufacturers. while they look "retro", e.g. http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/modern_selectric_keycaps_50529.jpg they all universally felt cheap with light frame and unpleasant lateral travel
1675438;1498590481;asciilifeform;aha, i found 100% of post-1980s kbds to feel ~same, all like this.
1675439;1498590566;phf;yeah
1675440;1498590590;asciilifeform;currently i use one of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_F_keyboard#/media/File:Model_F_corrosion.jpg and it took eons to sand, deburr, paint, rf paint inside, ultrasonically clean the moving parts, reassembly takes ~day...
1675441;1498590606;asciilifeform;( you need carpenter's clamps )
1675442;1498590623;asciilifeform;there's several kg of steel in'ere
1675443;1498590630;asciilifeform;but keys -- still abs plastic.
1675444;1498590641;phf;yeah, i got two, i'm yet to do anything with them. (and yes, mine are steel and correct version etc.)
1675445;1498590656;asciilifeform;however it is worth noting that it accepts ibm 'm' keys, and so you can easily be rid of the martian terminal keys and replace with 'human'
1675446;1498590730;asciilifeform;i like the key mechanisms -- unlike 'ibm m', no membrane, no rubber anythings, no rivets.
1675447;1498590770;asciilifeform;spring buckles and conductive plastic 'foot' tips and moves just a little, changing the resonant freq of that row/column
1675448;1498590936;phf;yeah, i think we had a conversation about putting piano forte into the firmware. if you type it fff it'll automatically uppercase and add random !!! etc.
1675449;1498590949;asciilifeform;aha, theoretically quite possible.
1675450;1498590984;asciilifeform;i'd still like to resurrect the su-era gold standard, the magnetic reed switch kbd.
1675451;1498590990;asciilifeform;they were... eternal
1675452;1498591241;phf;my setup is so "modern" that i can't really worry about permanence
1675453;1498591340;asciilifeform;there of course is the -- quite valid -- mircea_popescu school of thought, 'furniture oughta be standard and expendable'
1675454;1498591383;phf;i have to say though, from ergonomic perspective i've realized a while ago that none of this particularly matters. it's all significantly offset by fitness regime or lack of
1675455;1498591386;asciilifeform;but given what % of time i spend in front of screen and touching kbd, the idea of using lusertronic rubbish has ~0 appeal
1675456;1498591431;asciilifeform;phf: now this -- tru!
1675457;1498591442;phf;https://starkcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/scan00211.jpg
1675458;1498591451;asciilifeform;and moreover, the mircea_popescutronic answer to 'rsi', is that one that i end up using: 'type less, fool'
1675459;1498591676;phf;yah
1675460;1498591685;mircea_popescu;:p
1675461;1498591986;asciilifeform;in continuation of 'the best car -- is to already be at the destination' line of thought, 'the best keyboard is to simply not need to hit many keys'
1675462;1498593458;mircea_popescu;hmm, anyone wanna paypal 30bux for me ?
1675463;1498595945;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/EHFoJ << in somewhat vintage cargocultisms.
1675464;1498595954;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski might enjoy ^
1675465;1498596505;asciilifeform;'Among the store’s roughly five thousand volumes were eight different books called “Talmud,” several of which listed Rabbi Tokayer as the author and included pictures of him inside their front covers. One version included “A Personal Message from the Author,” in English, in which Tokayer expressed his belief that “the Korean people and the Jewish people have so much in common, and share so many similar values.” '
1675466;1498596518;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1675467;1498597057;mircea_popescu;weird korean shit.
1675468;1498598503;shinohai;!~later tell mod6 New makefiles test went smooth ... If you aren't head-banging over Ada I have question regarding Vim setup when you have time.
1675469;1498598503;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1675470;1498600084;BingoBoingo;So the first 3 results from the Google search "Roxanne Gay hamplanet" do not include the word hamplanet. Google Has either learned OR CENSORED RESULTS AGAIN!!!
1675471;1498601060;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1675473;1498605245;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675463 << in somewhat vintage cargocultisms. >> "Korean women want to know the secret. They found the secret in this book." << lol "You, too, can do 'it'!"
1675474;1498605245;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 20:39 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/EHFoJ << in somewhat vintage cargocultisms.
1675475;1498605305;lobbes;One of the oldest self-help b00ks, still kickin' to this day
1675476;1498605359;shinohai;Adding this smacktard to my "List of ppl that need to die" http://archive.is/Lz9f9
1675477;1498605496;mod6;hi shinohai, glad to hear that the testing went well.
1675478;1498605510;mod6;what's your question re vim
1675479;1498605516;lobbes;"Many folks expect to have some way of viewing and using emojis" heh
1675480;1498605587;shinohai;If your sole contribution to computing is "adding fucking emojis" please die in a fire.
1675481;1498606296;Framedragger;calling it: "serious linux desktop RCE discovered related to emojis" (memory mismanagement or related) (exact words in quote may differ)
1675482;1498606301;*;Framedragger considers posting a bet re. this
1675483;1498606965;mircea_popescu;it's indubitably there.
1675484;1498609087;Framedragger;btw maersk (some related ports) is down due to new "ransomware" (orange website says it's the same nsa "eternalblue" windows vuln)
1675485;1498609108;mircea_popescu;not like they were needed anyway!
1675486;1498609131;Framedragger;:p what, the shipping company? ha
1675487;1498609138;mircea_popescu;just chinese crap anyway
1675488;1498609152;Framedragger;healthy perspective to have, i guess
1675489;1498609192;mircea_popescu;apple could buy china!
1675490;1498609305;mircea_popescu;netflix interprets maersk as damaged and just routes around teh censor ships!
1675491;1498609315;mircea_popescu;i got a whole silo fulla these btw, if you need.
1675492;1498609394;Framedragger;i mean, scriba was supposed to have an mp emulator chatbot, so i'll keep it in mind :)
1675493;1498609539;Framedragger;!$talk about "no such thing as too big"
1675494;1498609539;Framedragger;=> "from which we surmise you never had sex"
1675495;1498609549;mircea_popescu;lmao
1675496;1498610641;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675479 << #8======B~~~~~~~~ .
1675497;1498610641;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 23:18 lobbes: "Many folks expect to have some way of viewing and using emojis" heh
1675498;1498610759;asciilifeform;in other, not wholly unrelated, lulz, '...out-of-bounds write in systemd-resolved in Ubuntu, which is possible to trigger with a specially crafted TCP payload. ... Certain sizes passed to dns_packet_new can cause it to allocate a buffer that's too small. A page-aligned number - sizeof(DnsPacket) + sizeof(iphdr) + sizeof(udphdr) will do this... A malicious DNS server can exploit this by responding with a specially crafted TCP payload
1675499;1498610760;asciilifeform;to trick systemd-resolved in to allocating a buffer that's too small, and subsequently write arbitrary data beyond the end of it.'
1675500;1498610803;asciilifeform;( 'CVE-2017-9445' )
1675501;1498610813;mircea_popescu;heh.
1675502;1498610820;mircea_popescu;"trick"
1675503;1498610834;asciilifeform;and, not wholly unrelatedly, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr0d2eRl2nE .
1675504;1498610855;asciilifeform;'song of msdos'.
1675505;1498611029;asciilifeform;'... И представил я: / Город наводнился вдруг разумными людьми: / Вышли все под DOS,...'
1675506;1498611036;asciilifeform;( https://lleo.me/pesni/text/dos.shtml << full text. )
1675507;1498611098;asciilifeform;by the author of, e.g., 'the random number merchant'
1675508;1498611108;asciilifeform;( http://lleo.me/arhive/2014/prodavec.htm )
1675509;1498611827;asciilifeform;http://lleo.me/arhive/humor/skazki.shtml << d00d's 'fairy tales'.
1675510;1498612603;sina;mornin tmsr
1675511;1498612632;sina;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675078 << my, I seem to have trouble phrasing my questions correctly :(
1675512;1498612632;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 13:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675077 << there's no intention that there would be plaintext anything, wtf.
1675513;1498612652;sina;mircea_popescu: patience appreciated while I attempt to rephrase question.
1675514;1498612756;sina;in current model, operator can write a message and claim it is from anyone and "publish" it to their own message store. when peers connect, the messages since last seen are delivered, each encrypted with a peer-pair unique RSA key. so as the message "progresses" between peers it gets encrypted, then decrypted and stored in each peers message store in plaintext
1675515;1498612778;sina;what I'm asking is, does that behaviour match the intent? OR
1675516;1498612841;sina;should the operator be encrypting the message for the final recipient and then publishing that ciphertext?
1675517;1498612845;sina;OR, both?
1675518;1498612921;sina;asciilifeform?
1675519;1498612996;asciilifeform;sina: how do the 2 models differ ?
1675520;1498613015;asciilifeform;sina: and what means 'final recipient' ?
1675521;1498613028;Framedragger;intermediary peers won't be able to decrypt message in the latter model, asciilifeform
1675522;1498613049;sina;Framedragger: thanks, exactly what I meant
1675523;1498613057;asciilifeform;Framedragger: in mircea_popescu's gossipd algo, there are 2 types of messages, ordinary and private. the latter behave as described above
1675524;1498613070;asciilifeform;the former - as the 'stored, relayed'.
1675525;1498613076;sina;aha!
1675526;1498613085;*;Framedragger recalls mircea_popescu's archaic use of "for" in context of gossipd
1675527;1498613088;sina;so the answer is "the program should allow for both behaviours"
1675528;1498613093;sina;?
1675529;1498613100;asciilifeform;sina: if you're asking re mircea_popescu's algo -- then yes
1675530;1498613113;asciilifeform;i thought this was pretty clear from the article.
1675531;1498613143;sina;asciilifeform: yesterday you mentioned 2 articles, but I had only seen one, if you recall URL can you link second one?
1675532;1498613144;Framedragger;in fact i'd imagine that gossipd should ideally allow for arbitrary end to end encryption, would be up to operator?
1675533;1498613167;asciilifeform;Framedragger: all comms b/w any pair of nodes, properly rsa'd
1675534;1498613170;asciilifeform;no exceptions
1675535;1498613182;*;Framedragger got confused from article, too (hence not opining re gossipd currently)
1675536;1498613243;Framedragger;asciilifeform: sure, but (plz don't vomit from use of keyword) there should be a way to onion-rsa them, too (A encrypts to C's key, then encrypts to B's key and tells B to relay to C which is currently offline, or w/e)
1675537;1498613250;asciilifeform;1) original mircea_popescu's algo: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc 2) the newer: http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document
1675538;1498613250;Framedragger;imho
1675539;1498613269;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you get this 'for free' from the normal relay mechanism
1675540;1498613271;asciilifeform;if you think about it.
1675541;1498613272;Framedragger;god it's like quoting talmud at this point :D (i mean the long comments etc)
1675542;1498613287;Framedragger;right, eternal rsa gen process, rsa'd automatically, etc
1675543;1498613297;sina;asciilifeform: can you clarify, *all* comms? when I was implementing my first pass at encrypting comms yest, I found that at least the very first message when a peer connects as a client would be plaintext, i.e. "hi I'm A", otherwise the "server" would need to enumerate all its keys to find if it knows the peer?
1675544;1498613310;asciilifeform;sina: it enumerates.
1675545;1498613315;sina;ahh
1675546;1498613319;asciilifeform;and in fact goes through ALL OF THEM, to avoid leaking timing.
1675547;1498613333;sina;then is there a need for a challenge at all?
1675548;1498613335;asciilifeform;( this is not in mircea_popescu's article but is imho elementary. )
1675549;1498613337;Framedragger;in fact that's a question i asked in comments, sina
1675550;1498613342;Framedragger;answer is as asciilifeform said
1675551;1498613343;Framedragger;just fyi
1675552;1498613363;Framedragger;i even raised a (nonsensical) "but-t-t time complexiti!" concern re this
1675553;1498613432;Framedragger;afaict gossipd model assumes that some rsa keys had been exchanged out-of-band. traditional challenge-response has been constantly critiqued by asciilifeform via "it's a DoS vector" argument (sorry if too curt, am in bed)
1675554;1498613469;Framedragger;(which makes sense, hence lighthoused proposal)
1675555;1498613500;asciilifeform;in other mircea_popescuine treats, http://lleo.me/kamasutra/index.htm .
1675556;1498613504;Framedragger;sina: (re. enumerate -- http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-121604)
1675557;1498613510;asciilifeform;and speaking of which i'ma bbl.
1675558;1498613514;*;Framedragger too
1675559;1498613520;sina;ok thanks all
1675560;1498613530;sina;this will change my design a little bit
1675561;1498613542;Framedragger;(ah in fact a bit up the stack, http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-121602)
1675562;1498613887;sina;asciilifeform: yest you said no sessions in gossipd, yet http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ clearly describes a session based proto
1675563;1498614207;Framedragger;sina: to clarify (hopefully lol), that ^ is for all intents and purposes outdated. asciilifeform did say "original mp algo". that said, i'll agree if you say "you guys have a documentation problem omg"
1675564;1498614231;Framedragger;(but then, the newer article clearly states "This is an up-to-date draft specification for gossipd", so i'm not too sure about that, either)
1675565;1498614312;Framedragger;sina: fwiw (he can speak for himself but to save you time), asciilifeform does not like sessions [ever|anymore], and considers them ugly beasts which won't have a place in his gossipd bed
1675566;1498614351;sina;appreciated Framedragger
1675567;1498614396;Framedragger;(i know it's a hella lot of comments under the newer article but iirc his "DoS magnet!!" points are addressed there)
1675568;1498614554;sina;I guess I'll wait for some clarification from mircea_popescu ? challenge/response is a session based concept even ignoring the older post
1675569;1498614596;Framedragger;did you read the part about lighthouse based challenge, though?
1675570;1498614626;sina;"To craft a valid packet, a sender must collect a single auth string from the receiving node's lighthouse (via whatever means, can be a shortwave tuner), craft auth with it as described by Mircea Popescu earlier, encipher to receiver's RSA pubkey, and send." ?
1675571;1498614635;sina;that one?
1675572;1498614644;Framedragger;tl;dr asciilifeform described a way for peer A to provide a challenge-response to peer B in a way which would not require any communication from B, hence not creating a DoS vector
1675573;1498614669;Framedragger;yeah, though note that the lighthouse may for all intents be node C there
1675574;1498614688;sina;well, the next line is literally "This variant is not, incidentally, intrinsically incompatible with Mircea Popescu's - conceivably he might choose to hand out auth challenges to all-comers, while I operate lighthouse; while retaining the other basic mechanics."
1675575;1498614706;Framedragger;hmm, right
1675576;1498614759;Framedragger;note the important aspect which lighthouse introduces: constant stream of auth strings, "in all directions"
1675577;1498614788;Framedragger;"in all directions" depends on medium. in radio, it's clear; in packet switched networks, could be a list of broadcast addresses to send auth strings to (constantly), etc
1675578;1498614797;Framedragger;sorry if repeating what you already know
1675579;1498614820;Framedragger;the point is that auth strings are sent regardless of whether the connecting peer (A) wants them
1675580;1498614852;Framedragger;so there's no way to DoS peer B with "hi plox to send me an auth string, i'm totally legit non sybil node"
1675581;1498614896;Framedragger;("well ok, let me generate this one just for you, and this for just for you", vs. "i'll generate this many auth strings per time unit, and distribute them to this set of destinations (or "shit them out via radio"))
1675582;1498614917;Framedragger;so in that sense it's not your traditional challenge-response. again, sorry if repeating
1675583;1498614932;sina;no apologies necessary
1675584;1498614984;sina;Framedragger: can you bear with me for a few questions or were you going to bbl?
1675585;1498614993;Framedragger;i may fall asleep but shoot
1675586;1498615019;sina;so we have a lighthouse thingo broadcasting some random bytes as challenge strings in plaintext
1675587;1498615039;sina;and nodes are receiving and storing those challenge strings
1675588;1498615085;sina;if I'm operator of peer A and want to send a message to peer B, what do I do? pick one of my stored challenge strings, sign it, send it along with my message?
1675589;1498615146;Framedragger;yes i think so, and note that there is a time window there re. how recent challenge string has to be, to avoid replay. i.e., those strings expire. and yes that's how you send a msg to B iirc
1675590;1498615187;Framedragger;A and B may then decide to enter some different "state" but the general gossipd design is stateless, i.e. there is no session
1675591;1498615228;sina;probably a dumb question
1675592;1498615230;Framedragger;mircea_popescu had concerns re. "signed", but iirc the concept of "station key" (vs. "mega important owner key") helped there. not sure if entirely resolved, tho
1675593;1498615247;sina;but why can't A just sign any random bytes? why does it need to come from the lighthouse?
1675594;1498615256;Framedragger;(btw the challenge strings may be in something else than plaintext, all depends on lighthouse and medium)
1675595;1498615345;Framedragger;i believe this relates to asciilifeform's "traditional challenge-response creates DoS vector". so with a lighthouse auth string, one more important point is that a particular auth string cannot be reused.
1675596;1498615346;sina;oh nevermind, obviously if you sign any random bytes it can be replayed
1675597;1498615351;sina;yeah
1675598;1498615391;Framedragger;yeah, so this avoid replay but also sets a limit to how much DoS exposure you have (one of the limits, at least)
1675599;1498615396;Framedragger;avoids*
1675600;1498615407;Framedragger;well i guess it's the same thing, kinda
1675601;1498615438;sina;another probably dumb question
1675602;1498615444;sina;why not just sign the current UTC timestamp
1675603;1498615464;sina;you can't replay timestamps outside of a certain window +/- 0.5s or something?
1675604;1498615484;Framedragger;because you can predict the future of such a lighthouse, hence craft any number of packets in advance
1675605;1498615510;Framedragger;let me recall why that is super important lol; but the unpredictability of the auth strings coming from lighthouse is important
1675606;1498615530;*;Framedragger is "recall vs. just think about it" mode
1675607;1498615530;sina;Framedragger: really appreciate your patience, I get the feeling asciilifeform would be shouting at me again by now
1675608;1498615546;Framedragger;nah folks are just busy
1675609;1498615565;Framedragger;i guess he'd say "read the article [implying read the comments, too]"
1675610;1498615591;sina;I'm not sure I understand how you can craft packets in advance if they need to be signed
1675611;1498615686;Framedragger;hold on, you're right
1675612;1498615723;*;Framedragger reading how asciilifeform described the packets, if at all, because forgot
1675613;1498615762;sina;also I can't see how the model can be *completely* stateless, there will always be some kind of minimal session which is "hi, I'm A" followed by a response tailored to A
1675614;1498615791;sina;unless all responses are identical for all peers, which would make them plaintext
1675615;1498615863;mircea_popescu;well now ima have to read this whole thang
1675616;1498615886;Framedragger;sina: right, re future, i didn't make sense there
1675617;1498615905;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675514 << yes.
1675618;1498615905;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 01:19 sina: in current model, operator can write a message and claim it is from anyone and "publish" it to their own message store. when peers connect, the messages since last seen are delivered, each encrypted with a peer-pair unique RSA key. so as the message "progresses" between peers it gets encrypted, then decrypted and stored in each peers message store in plaintext
1675619;1498615998;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675543 << yes, server looks through its keys.
1675620;1498615998;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 01:28 sina: asciilifeform: can you clarify, *all* comms? when I was implementing my first pass at encrypting comms yest, I found that at least the very first message when a peer connects as a client would be plaintext, i.e. "hi I'm A", otherwise the "server" would need to enumerate all its keys to find if it knows the peer?
1675621;1498616110;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675565 << the problem with the concept of a "session" is that it attempts to link machine state to world state. this is a very tenuous proposition, and the fundamental reason why sessionificatyion of (the correctly designed) stateless http protocol failed for 30 years straight and will continue to fail forever.
1675622;1498616110;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 01:45 Framedragger: sina: fwiw (he can speak for himself but to save you time), asciilifeform does not like sessions [ever|anymore], and considers them ugly beasts which won't have a place in his gossipd bed
1675623;1498616186;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i fucking can't reckon right now why output of lighthouse has to be unpredictable. damn it :D *if* all packets are signed with peer keys that receiving peer already has, timestamp with defined validity window would avoid replay... (http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119045)
1675624;1498616213;mircea_popescu;you know, the lighthouse idea, while an idea, didn't actually get included.
1675625;1498616228;mircea_popescu;prolly should separate the re-discussing of that from the guy trying to comprehend the spec
1675626;1498616259;Framedragger;situation is different if the point is for peer A to newly introduce self to B. then (sina) "unpredictable lighthouse" is important because it sets a limit to how many auth strings can be used.
1675627;1498616274;mircea_popescu;no peers introduce themselves though. at all.
1675628;1498616309;Framedragger;(in fact maybe that's an important point as well: lighthouse shits at a fixed rate; there is a discrete amount of auth strings which can be used. i guess this is obvious, i'm slow)
1675629;1498616321;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: right
1675630;1498616322;mircea_popescu;the only way for A and B to be introduced, outside of the grandfatherly, A fucks B and they exchange bits of paper, is C tells A about B and B about A.
1675631;1498616333;Framedragger;aha.
1675632;1498616367;mircea_popescu;there's no peer discovery as a gossipd function ; at all times it knows already all the peers it will ever know. in lawyer speak this is called "never ask a question you don't know the answer to."
1675633;1498616390;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah lighthouse discussion does complicate matters, the fact of the matter is, it's the only current (written) alternative to DoS-prone traditional challenge-response (A asks B to plz send challenge, A then response to B with that challenge), within gossipd universe
1675634;1498616401;Framedragger;right
1675635;1498616431;Framedragger;also lighthouse concept didn't get properly included in spec because it's probably not yet finished, ha
1675636;1498616438;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1675637;1498616460;Framedragger;"Re 119 : You'll have to properly spec this if you want it." (you said it!)
1675638;1498616462;sina;mircea_popescu: while I appreciate the validty of issues about sessions, challenge/response dictates there must be something akin to a session, even if that isn't the most precisely fitting term
1675639;1498616468;mircea_popescu;a
1675640;1498616473;mircea_popescu;sina what challenge response ?
1675641;1498616478;mircea_popescu;let's go through the process in detail.
1675642;1498616482;sina;pls
1675643;1498616495;mircea_popescu;at t0, A encrypts plaintext P to key B1.
1675644;1498616507;mircea_popescu;at t1, A remits P.B1 to B.
1675645;1498616542;mircea_popescu;at t2, B is free to decrypt or not decrypt P.B1. it is supposed to make this decision on the basis of B1 and whatever other data it uses to make such a decision.
1675646;1498616579;mircea_popescu;at t3, providing B has opted to decrypt P.B1, it is in possession of P. if P is a standard message, it contains a reference allowing it to respond.
1675647;1498616600;mircea_popescu;if the operator of B opts to respond, at t4 A will receive a P'.Ai
1675648;1498616607;asciilifeform;Framedragger: recall, mircea_popescu and asciilifeform never came to a 'hey we have this 1 algo', so all q re 'gossipd' presume, imho, mircea_popescu's algo, which was actually called so
1675649;1498616618;mircea_popescu;if the operator of B opts to relay, at t5 various nodes will receive a P.?j
1675650;1498616647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. nmot that i'm against further exploring the lighthouse thing, but gotta be separate item for nao.
1675651;1498616655;mircea_popescu;sina so where's a session in there ?
1675652;1498616655;asciilifeform;and it was different from asciilifeform's, and did not include 'lighthouses', luby transform, a few elses
1675653;1498616658;sina;"a reference allowing it to respond." << is that not a session concept?
1675654;1498616677;mircea_popescu;sina i imagine it's a keyid of some kind. that makes a session ?
1675655;1498616706;sina;mircea_popescu: I assume A generated that reference, and it is storing it until B has responded?
1675656;1498616712;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah, then i confused things by way of saying that "challenge-response needs to be ditched in gossipd model". hmm. i did think that the two items are not conceptually separable anymore
1675657;1498616719;mircea_popescu;sina all keys are stored forever.
1675658;1498616740;asciilifeform;Framedragger: gotta distinguish mircea_popescu's algo from the MB or so of asciilifeform's commentz re same
1675659;1498616769;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: well you did say "whenever operator feels like it, keys get nuked." (i guess that's not the same, tho)
1675660;1498616775;sina;mircea_popescu: ok that makes sense, you should consider updating the blogpost :P
1675661;1498616781;mircea_popescu;Framedragger that is what "forever" means to machines.
1675662;1498616783;sina;because the blogpost has a challenge/response thingo
1675663;1498616788;mircea_popescu;link me ?
1675664;1498616803;sina;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ III. Gossipd will receive inbound connectionsvii from identified clientsviii and on the basis of that identification produce an encrypted challenge string, which constitutes its response. If the other party responds with the proper challenge string, the connection is established ; otherwise it is dropped.
1675665;1498616815;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, some yrs before being introduced to mircea_popescu, wrote an (unpublished) algo, 'kapelle', that resembled mircea_popescu's gossipd. hence 'strong feelingz'
1675666;1498616842;mircea_popescu;sina yeah that's amply misleading.
1675667;1498616847;sina;haha
1675668;1498616872;sina;this clarification is much appreciated, I do think I can rework what I've got to fit the above model
1675669;1498616872;Framedragger;CONFUSE THE ENEMY
1675670;1498616875;mircea_popescu;the idea was to report to the operator, "We have link with x". but conceptually, sessions as a fundamental building block of comms, are not used.
1675671;1498616886;asciilifeform;(had slightly different domain: botnet orbital control...)
1675672;1498616904;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between my client showing alf as "online" and my client being built on the concept of sessions.
1675673;1498616924;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i never got to comandeer one from irc channel, am sad
1675674;1498616957;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it 'gets old' quickly
1675675;1498617002;sina;alright
1675676;1498617004;sina;thankyall
1675677;1498617020;sina;time for some food and stuffs, I will spend time later trying to implement this
1675678;1498617027;asciilifeform;think of 'we have link' as if with, e.g, satellite
1675679;1498617038;Framedragger;i'm in fact curious why in your model lighthouse has to be unpredictable, asciilifeform. maybe it's something very obvious
1675680;1498617039;asciilifeform;i.e. when was last time of contact
1675681;1498617074;sina;oh yeah, while we have you alf, can you answer above? why is lighthouse necessary if A can just sign current timestamp and B only accept timestamps within a small variance window?
1675682;1498617079;asciilifeform;Framedragger: because not signing but decrypting
1675683;1498617087;asciilifeform;think.
1675684;1498617090;sina;o
1675685;1498617107;sina;wait
1675686;1498617114;asciilifeform;( why does deedbot cookie gotta be random! )
1675687;1498617119;Framedragger;yeah this is too densely compressed
1675688;1498617148;sina;asciilifeform: if the challenges are being broadcast by the lighthouse in the clear, and all the peers are storing N of them, can't evilguy X just encrypt all of them?
1675689;1498617153;sina;and send them at will?
1675690;1498617153;Framedragger;i assumed that packets were signed by A
1675691;1498617158;sina;yeah
1675692;1498617166;asciilifeform;whereas in 'sign lighthouse' model, also gotta be unpredictable, but to prevent replay
1675693;1498617173;asciilifeform;without having to store anything
1675694;1498617206;sina;you can prevent replay by signing a timestamp and accepting only "current" timestamp within a window of +/- 0.X seconds?
1675695;1498617208;asciilifeform;i.e. a signed(S) could not have practically come into existence before you broadcast S, if the latter is a long rng turd
1675696;1498617220;asciilifeform;sina: didja read the clocks thread ?
1675697;1498617227;sina;obvously not
1675698;1498617229;asciilifeform;we don't ntp
1675699;1498617236;sina;fair
1675700;1498617247;asciilifeform;and disbelieve in the possibility of accurate synced clocks.
1675701;1498617255;sina;tmsr is a weird place
1675702;1498617263;asciilifeform;( sans ntp and similar imperial shenanigans )
1675703;1498617270;asciilifeform;ntp requires a hitler.
1675704;1498617270;Framedragger;asciilifeform: but the main work by the receiving peer is in checking the signature of the other peer anyway (besides decrypting the message itself), no?
1675705;1498617291;Framedragger;question is about unpredictability anyway
1675706;1498617293;Framedragger;so more general
1675707;1498617316;sina;<+asciilifeform> Framedragger: because not signing but decrypting << I am not sure I understand this. Why is it decrypting? Considering everyone has the plaintext from broadcasts
1675708;1498617323;Framedragger;and if the main work is in checking signature, how does a "could not have practically come into existence before you broadcast S" help with regards to DoS?
1675709;1498617358;asciilifeform;sina: say i take random string R and encrypt to pubkeys p1, p2,...,pN
1675710;1498617362;Framedragger;if incoming message is *not signed*, then i understand - it sets a fixed horizon in terms of how much you can spam.
1675711;1498617402;sina;anyway, I guess this is a seperate question for smarter people, I will just stick to trying to update my thingo to match mircea_popescu description above
1675712;1498617414;sina;must food
1675713;1498617414;asciilifeform;sina: to get a window to speak to me, you come back with the plaintext of a recent R. proving that you are one of p1,...pN.
1675714;1498617420;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah, damn. is the point to prove to B that A holds A's key at time t? i feel dumb
1675715;1498617425;asciilifeform;aaaha
1675716;1498617446;Framedragger;lol, umm, "duh", thanks for bearing
1675717;1498617451;asciilifeform;dun worry Framedragger , it does take some actual sweat, to puzzle out
1675718;1498617461;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform is happy to give a hand.
1675719;1498617487;Framedragger;sina: point was to prove continued identity of A, continued ownership of A's private key, so to speak.
1675720;1498617493;*;Framedragger appreciates
1675721;1498617502;*;Framedragger and goes to sleep
1675722;1498617532;asciilifeform;('come back with the plaintext' of course means that you, e.g,, gimme a hash H(R + salt), or the like, not literally exposing it for world!)
1675723;1498617545;asciilifeform;goodnight Framedragger
1675724;1498617811;asciilifeform;btw note that 'decrypt mode lighthouse' is deedbot-like, the answerer proves that he holds one of p1,...,pN keys. rather than one in particular.
1675725;1498617828;asciilifeform;without distributing signed material.
1675726;1498617859;mircea_popescu;aha.
1675727;1498617862;asciilifeform;this btw is also a major feature of mircea_popescu's (non-lighthousetronic) algo, and imho important
1675728;1498617879;mircea_popescu;the problem with it, once ammended for the sign issue, was not exactly technical, more in terms of how expensiuve it is
1675729;1498617901;mircea_popescu;not "it won't work" but rather "will it be worth working"
1675730;1498617949;asciilifeform;it can be as expensive ( broadcast to galaxy! ) or cheap ( request a turd in web form, which actually reduces to approx. mircea_popescu's original..! ) as desired.
1675731;1498617961;asciilifeform;smoothly.
1675732;1498617973;mircea_popescu;conceivably.
1675733;1498617992;asciilifeform;i imagine most stations would do something in between.
1675734;1498618023;asciilifeform;( homework: calculate packet shitting rate necessary to hit every ipv4 at least weekly )
1675735;1498618030;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675603 << because this imports GPS into gossipd, or most of gossipd history will not contain GPS or anything like it.
1675736;1498618030;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 02:04 sina: you can't replay timestamps outside of a certain window +/- 0.5s or something?
1675737;1498618301;sina;the weather is shit so I am just going to order a pizza and sit in the dark
1675738;1498618312;mircea_popescu;enjoy ?
1675739;1498618322;sina;:D
1675740;1498618343;sina;oh yeah. I'm actually on holidays from work this week, that is why I'm around hassling y'all at all hours
1675741;1498618352;mircea_popescu;hey, i like it.
1675742;1498618427;asciilifeform;sina: think also through the implications of 'no clock'. suddenly, chronological ordering is nontrivial.
1675743;1498618458;sina;asciilifeform: chronological ordering of messages?
1675744;1498618464;asciilifeform;('timestamp' has no factual meaning outside of hardware on your desk. and even there - 'fuzzy')
1675745;1498618489;asciilifeform;sina: aha, what-happened-before-whatelse
1675746;1498618504;sina;yeah, per the spec, peers are only storing messages with local timestamp they received them
1675747;1498618514;mircea_popescu;yes, witness-time
1675748;1498618515;sina;ordering/conflict resolution is left up to the operator
1675749;1498618521;mircea_popescu;einstein'd be proud
1675750;1498618548;asciilifeform;sina: point being, you cannot rely on timestamps of any form to distinguish old packets from new and filter replays
1675751;1498618558;mircea_popescu;notice how it's not even POSSIBLE for the "same" message to be delivered via gossipd. for purely quantic reasons.
1675752;1498618567;asciilifeform;aha.
1675753;1498618635;asciilifeform;sina: i recommend to also review logs re 'protocolic vs promisetronic' concept
1675754;1498618661;asciilifeform;then when i say 'timestamps not produced by yourself are promisetronic' it will immediately click in your brain.
1675755;1498618669;mircea_popescu;this is the root of the divergence so far, so not a bad reference. encountering a problem, sina tends to seek the "correct" dependency to bake in.
1675756;1498618671;*;sina addes to notes
1675757;1498618675;mircea_popescu;as a matter of habit.
1675758;1498618689;mircea_popescu;this is very much not what tmsr ever does.
1675759;1498618720;sina;s/correct/desired/ pls
1675760;1498618733;mircea_popescu;ideal ? community-approved ? you name it.
1675761;1498618735;sina;yeah
1675762;1498618749;sina;is it bad?
1675763;1498618753;mircea_popescu;it's different.
1675764;1498618767;mircea_popescu;it can work, depending, but it doesn't work by itself, it has to be a very strictly examioned thing.
1675765;1498618778;asciilifeform;there was an old sf tale, maybe 1940s, about a d00d in the Evil Future who is sentenced to death , but 'in house arrest', is put in a seemingly normal flat where common household objects are boobytrapped
1675766;1498618782;sina;I mean I *can* go off and do my own thing, but then I am making a sinathing not a tmsrthing
1675767;1498618795;asciilifeform;with proviso that if he lives for a week, he gets reprieved
1675768;1498618825;asciilifeform;this is roughly analogous situation to the daily life of tmsr software folx
1675769;1498618827;sina;does he in an explosion of shit as he sits on the toilet?
1675770;1498618829;mircea_popescu;sina the problem with the non-tmsr things is that they are undependable. in the complete sense of that term : temporally, functionally, you name it.
1675771;1498618865;asciilifeform;sina: dies when 'reprieved' and turns door knob to leave, forgetting all caution: poisoned
1675772;1498618878;sina;the future is not all bad. I order pizza and can see its current progress in the store and GPS tells me its location en route
1675773;1498618881;asciilifeform;( spoiler!!!1 )
1675774;1498618882;sina;asciilifeform: haha
1675775;1498618909;mircea_popescu;sina do you see how this is an extra cost, not an added benefit ?
1675776;1498618923;mircea_popescu;my pizza just takes the my saying "yo, make pizza!"
1675777;1498618981;sina;mircea_popescu: my perspective is that I am just trying to implement what appears to be an interesting spec. for the reason of being interested in implementing that spec. so when I ask for tmsrthing clarification, it is just in terms of spec, not in terms of "making a thing" ...if that makes sense
1675778;1498618993;mircea_popescu;sure.
1675779;1498618995;sina;Mircea Popescu: Pizza Whisperer
1675780;1498619001;mircea_popescu;lel
1675781;1498619019;mircea_popescu;but, and here's the beauty, for the same money today had salmon.
1675782;1498619031;sina;the pizza doesn't even exist, you just say "yo, make pizza" and flour assembles itself into dough, tomatos become paste, basil grinds itself
1675783;1498619039;mircea_popescu;slavegirls!
1675784;1498619066;sina;we aren't all rich Romanians with slavegirls ok
1675785;1498619092;mircea_popescu;aite, watch teh gps like it means something then!!!
1675786;1498619095;mircea_popescu;BEOTCH
1675787;1498619097;sina;haha
1675788;1498619106;mircea_popescu;mwahahahaha
1675789;1498619167;mircea_popescu;computer pseudoscience may be the only engineering discipline in which the ancient solutions actually are better.
1675790;1498619219;sina;token ring?
1675791;1498619250;mircea_popescu;slavegirl to run kitchen >>> gps to watch kitchen being run in
1675792;1498619304;mircea_popescu;see, because if she is too slow, i don't just SAY she's too slow. she fixes it. and if she dun fix it fast enough i got whips to help along. what's the gps do ? it doesn't afford you any agency towards the pizzeria. yet you're wartching. so what do you do ? you turn inward, educate ~yourself~.
1675793;1498619305;sina;CRT monitors!
1675794;1498619306;mircea_popescu;stupid fucking tool.
1675795;1498619324;mircea_popescu;i don't want to grind myself by the measure of some 9.60 an hour mexicans in a kitchen somewhere.
1675796;1498619341;sina;mircea_popescu: this is AU, no Mexicans, mostly SE Asians
1675797;1498619347;mircea_popescu;do you know how many soviets yelled at the television set ?
1675798;1498619361;asciilifeform;americans used to shoot at cinema screens
1675799;1498619365;asciilifeform;in the early days
1675800;1498619368;mircea_popescu;aha
1675801;1498619391;asciilifeform;like birds, attacking reflection in window
1675802;1498619415;mircea_popescu;i've seen some awesome bird-bird rape since i've been here btw. you have NO FDUCKING IDEA what birds do.
1675803;1498619419;asciilifeform;'that ain't another pigeon, idiot , it's yerself'
1675804;1498619431;sina;speaking of birds, I read this yest: https://archive.fo/bvoGR
1675805;1498619486;asciilifeform;if rat can learn to smoke.. why not bird.
1675806;1498619622;sina;re this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675484 ...here is one funny fact I learned today!
1675807;1498619622;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 00:18 Framedragger: btw maersk (some related ports) is down due to new "ransomware" (orange website says it's the same nsa "eternalblue" windows vuln)
1675808;1498619640;sina;"If you sign malware with a fake self-signed Microsoft certificate, several major AV's on VirusTotal will ignore it"
1675809;1498619651;mircea_popescu;heh.
1675810;1498619652;sina;following affected: @kaspersky @arcabit @Malwarebytes @TrendMicro @Webroot @zonealarm
1675811;1498619657;mircea_popescu;grep "begin signed" blabla
1675812;1498619710;sina;majority of infections have been in Ukraine, there are screenshots of lots of Ukranian stuff (grocery store terminals, train stations, etc)
1675813;1498619726;sina;whoever wrote it didn't suck like WannaCry authors and implemented lateral movement
1675814;1498619741;sina;so it can go inside the "crunchy on outside, soft inside" networks
1675815;1498619797;mircea_popescu;nb
1675816;1498619809;sina;what is nb?
1675817;1498619816;mircea_popescu;not bad, contraction
1675818;1498619821;sina;ah thx
1675819;1498619825;sina;also, unrelated is this: https://archive.fo/lr3iN
1675820;1498619835;sina;ikea made awesome solar concentrator for 5 fiat units
1675821;1498619849;mircea_popescu;were you here for the "solar power" hax / lulz ?
1675822;1498619868;sina;don't think so
1675823;1498619903;mircea_popescu;lemme fish it out i guess
1675824;1498619920;sina;OH YEAH, going back to the ransomware that hit Maersk
1675825;1498619937;sina;Chernobyl is running on manual monitoring after their systems got hit!
1675826;1498619943;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/
1675827;1498619948;mircea_popescu;see also that day in logs, lulz were had
1675828;1498620074;sina;ha that is interesting, but the ikea thing is just a $5 polished metal bowl that has been setting stuff in peoples houses on fire
1675829;1498620086;sina;will check logs for more lel
1675830;1498620111;mircea_popescu;sounds liek a chiuldhood dream
1675831;1498620137;sina;live your dreams mircea_popescu! set all that stuff on fire :P
1675832;1498620149;mircea_popescu;i do make a fire now and again.
1675833;1498620162;mircea_popescu;got a whole bbq terrace thing by teh pool.
1675834;1498620177;sina;mmmm bbq I love me some bbq pork
1675835;1498620204;mircea_popescu;well, no gps here so can't help you
1675836;1498620262;sina;makes sense, you only just made it to fire, still another 7000 years before GPS :D :P
1675837;1498620269;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1675838;1498620303;sina;ok for real time to vegetate now, enjoy the day all, I will spend some time on rejigging gossipdthing later and probably be back with more dumb questions at that point
1675839;1498620312;mircea_popescu;works
1675840;1498621137;PeterL;Good evening Trilema
1675841;1498621162;mircea_popescu;heya
1675842;1498623037;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675808 << RunMoarWinblowz
1675843;1498623037;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 03:14 sina: "If you sign malware with a fake self-signed Microsoft certificate, several major AV's on VirusTotal will ignore it"
1675844;1498623119;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/879D62B318A6A49281F9402E6B11526A4FFA8C93C1731EF9C504069D427CF434 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...2279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.231.181.46 (ssh-rsa key from 68.231.181.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip68-231-181-46.tc.ph.cox.net. US AZ)
1675845;1498623119;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/879D62B318A6A49281F9402E6B11526A4FFA8C93C1731EF9C504069D427CF434 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1464...7843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.231.181.46 (ssh-rsa key from 68.231.181.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip68-231-181-46.tc.ph.cox.net. US AZ)
1675846;1498623124;PeterL;do antiviruses count as something that is promistronic?
1675847;1498623298;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1675848;1498625807;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8D410EBED0F258765B617AA394D7D7BD3CC1D378783527DF7F6CF74D58DF7395 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1549...0947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.111.32.94 (ssh-rsa key from 66.111.32.94 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (66-111-32-94.static.sagonet.net. US FL)
1675849;1498625807;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8D410EBED0F258765B617AA394D7D7BD3CC1D378783527DF7F6CF74D58DF7395 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1572...4967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.111.32.94 (ssh-rsa key from 66.111.32.94 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (66-111-32-94.static.sagonet.net. US FL)
1675850;1498626163;PeterL;from old thread: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641818 << where I work, we do stuff in excel, and every spreadsheet gets printed along with a copy of the formula view and these go together through a data audit
1675851;1498626163;a111;Logged on 2017-04-11 00:22 asciilifeform: when whole thing is excel -- the 60 y.o. buffett at the top, theoretically understands the flow.
1675852;1498626889;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6308E9FD2A84490D6072FDA12D2BF1AE6EFD6ACD5358ADCAE26E167350FC227D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1442...8033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '90.190.121.202 (ssh-rsa key from 90.190.121.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (202.121.190.90.sta.estpak.ee. EE)
1675853;1498626890;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6308E9FD2A84490D6072FDA12D2BF1AE6EFD6ACD5358ADCAE26E167350FC227D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1782...9023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '90.190.121.202 (ssh-rsa key from 90.190.121.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (202.121.190.90.sta.estpak.ee. EE)
1675854;1498627954;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3D70714D7ABCF06D4A82734399F94130FDEAB3EA5E8655CC253329D340E7FC6A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1600...1179 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '185.87.180.236 (ssh-rsa key from 185.87.180.236 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IR)
1675855;1498627954;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3D70714D7ABCF06D4A82734399F94130FDEAB3EA5E8655CC253329D340E7FC6A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1763...1999 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '185.87.180.236 (ssh-rsa key from 185.87.180.236 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IR)
1675856;1498628524;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/396A5B41867A1256E75686B4951842D8943C3C2FC494F34BB71BCB37436417C1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1765...1089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.52.249.158 (ssh-rsa key from 80.52.249.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (gyr158.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL WP)
1675857;1498628524;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/396A5B41867A1256E75686B4951842D8943C3C2FC494F34BB71BCB37436417C1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1780...1059 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.52.249.158 (ssh-rsa key from 80.52.249.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (gyr158.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL WP)
1675858;1498629674;BingoBoingo;!~ticker F.DERP
1675859;1498629676;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
1675860;1498629864;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency birds
1675861;1498629865;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: 'birds' is not a valid currency code.
1675862;1498641101;sina;alrighty!
1675863;1498641130;sina;thanks to clarification from mircea_popescu Framedragger and asciilifeform I have refactored for statelessness, which led to a significant amount of unnecessary code being deleted!
1675864;1498641155;sina;currently only "standard" messages are supported
1675865;1498641185;sina;but all traffic is sent as RSA payloads with nothing at all in plaintext ever
1675866;1498641189;sina;everything now stateless
1675867;1498641269;sina;FWIW, what I have now is also nothing like the spec on trilema.com :P
1675868;1498642774;sina;lol https://archive.fo/rtW5P "Federal Reserve on bubble watch, but not worried yet"
1675869;1498648989;jurov;asciilifeform: didja look into sewing machine pedals, btw? they seem to be designed solidly, for all-day use
1675870;1498654421;asciilifeform;jurov: i did, same problem
1675871;1498654727;asciilifeform;sewing machine ( and other power tool ) trigger pedals, if you think about it, indeed sometimes are used 'all day', but very different pattern from hypothetical keyboardpedal. they do long strokes.
1675872;1498654755;asciilifeform;so the resting position thing does not so much matter to the sewing folx
1675873;1498655586;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/iSqey
1675874;1498655656;asciilifeform;'On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund. That story did not meet CNN's editorial standards and has been retracted. Links to the story have been disabled. CNN apologizes to Mr. Scaramucci.'
1675875;1498655672;asciilifeform;apparently in usg also there are 'untouchable' folx.
1675876;1498655751;asciilifeform;s is a hedge fund d00d.
1675877;1498655780;asciilifeform;( recently appointed minister of something or other )
1675878;1498655842;sina;oh yeah saw this on twitter thought tmsr would be amused/interested
1675879;1498655846;sina;"It’s not crazy for OpenSSL to redesign and simplify its CSPRNG. It is silly to make it MORE complicated." from tptacek
1675880;1498655856;sina;linking to this PR https://github.com/openssl/openssl/pull/3758
1675881;1498657604;shinohai; Good morning sina, in case you need to confess thy sins http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/confession.jpeg
1675882;1498658184;sina;evenin shinohai!
1675883;1498658211;sina;I prefer atheists myself
1675884;1498658249;sina;or at least those that have been cast from the church in disgrace! :P
1675885;1498658345;shinohai;I can assure you that pic isn't sanctioned by the vatican at all
1675886;1498659062;mod6;mornin'
1675887;1498659090;sina;mornin mod6
1675888;1498659165;mod6;been havin fun workin on gossip?
1675889;1498659434;sina;indeed
1675890;1498659489;sina;I was thinking about the latest iteration which is much simpler, I think I might try and convert the TCP bit to UDP tomorrow
1675891;1498659982;mod6;cool!
1675892;1498660093;sina;hows trb stuff comin along
1675893;1498660118;sina;mod6: haha I just remembered I was reading logs yesterday and found one line where you said you don't like python :P
1675894;1498660142;mod6;It's goin, been doing some testing on a experimental vpatch here as of late.
1675895;1498660229;mod6;(to update the makefiles. http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#36)
1675896;1498660246;mod6;sina: naw, don't like python.
1675897;1498660346;sina;it made me think about how I pretty much default to it for most problems above the complexity threshold of single line bash things
1675898;1498660416;mod6;werd.
1675899;1498660418;sina;I do think it makes a very good prototyping tool
1675900;1498660432;sina;but do prefer strongly typed langs after knocking something together
1675901;1498660448;mod6;ya, for sure.
1675902;1498660483;sina;I see here everyone seems to know/use lisp and it's a lang I have almost 0 exposure to
1675903;1498660492;mod6;python got me with its for loop else case.
1675904;1498660505;asciilifeform;sina: garbagecollected language on pc hardware is unsuitable for crypto
1675905;1498660508;mod6;i'm a lisp n00b.
1675906;1498660521;mod6;i did start getting into scheme last year though.
1675907;1498660538;mod6;i don't use emacs or clisp or anything like that.
1675908;1498660557;sina;asciilifeform: sure that is understood as general principle, it's unsuitable for really anything low level
1675909;1498660577;sina;mod6: pls clarify "for loop else case"?
1675910;1498660586;asciilifeform;sina: this is quite mistaken. strictly for crypto.
1675911;1498660596;asciilifeform;because - again - nonconstant time and space.
1675912;1498660601;sina;yah
1675913;1498660653;sina;I only learned recently that python was created for use on Amoeba OS
1675914;1498660714;asciilifeform;soooo asciilifeform was taking a morning walk and saw a sight straight out of a mircea_popescu article. teenage chick standing in doorway, her mother (?) packing something into car, in front yard. chick then lifts her shirt and reveals naked cunt, and smiles. mother goes apeshit, screaming in, i think, portuguese, even now, i can almost hear it through open window.
1675915;1498660761;sina;you made a friend!
1675916;1498660765;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu oughta send his ufo over and pick up his 'candidate'
1675917;1498660768;asciilifeform;lol
1675918;1498660825;mod6;sina: there's a snippet of its use in asciilifeform's V, detailed in ben_vulpes's blog: http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
1675919;1498660851;mod6;asciilifeform: you
1675920;1498660858;asciilifeform;waiwat mod6
1675921;1498660861;mod6;'ve had a splendid morning
1675922;1498660905;asciilifeform;certainly a lulzgem, to see creatures step out of the pages of mircea_popescu and into meat
1675923;1498660913;mod6;asciilifeform: for loop, with else case.
1675924;1498660921;mod6;it got me, way back in the day.
1675925;1498660965;asciilifeform;aah yes pythonism
1675926;1498661027;mod6;anyway, that was the only thing really with python. most of it seems fine.
1675927;1498661045;mod6;*shrug*
1675928;1498661172;sina;this is a good read http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861
1675929;1498661318;mod6;mornin'!
1675930;1498661394;mircea_popescu;heya
1675931;1498661806;sina;mircea_popescu: mornin. I rejigged the gossipthing. I think what I have now reflects more closely what was discussed earlier. however I also think the spec vastly differs so may be worthwhile adding a disclaimer to the existing one or writing an entirely new one
1675932;1498661850;sina;anyhoos, past by bedtime, good evenin
1675933;1498661889;mircea_popescu;sina : that's how this stuff goes, and wehy someone biting bullet and writing an impl, even if he writes it in php, is worth it. was deliberately demonstrated with the fabulous hash function, and generally.
1675934;1498663765;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675863 << W.O.R.D.
1675935;1498663765;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 09:12 sina: thanks to clarification from mircea_popescu Framedragger and asciilifeform I have refactored for statelessness, which led to a significant amount of unnecessary code being deleted!
1675936;1498663813;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675869 <<< this is not a bad idea on the face, get an old singer or w/e. i might've even suggested it way back when. they do have a lot of inertia thop
1675937;1498663813;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 11:23 jurov: asciilifeform: didja look into sewing machine pedals, btw? they seem to be designed solidly, for all-day use
1675938;1498664080;asciilifeform;i have not only, believe, a sewing machine here, but other power tools actuated with pedals. but see the thread.
1675939;1498664445;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675902 << use the slut ; that's what she's there for.
1675940;1498664445;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 14:34 sina: I see here everyone seems to know/use lisp and it's a lang I have almost 0 exposure to
1675941;1498664586;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675914 << and you didn't stop ?!
1675942;1498664586;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 14:38 asciilifeform: soooo asciilifeform was taking a morning walk and saw a sight straight out of a mircea_popescu article. teenage chick standing in doorway, her mother (?) packing something into car, in front yard. chick then lifts her shirt and reveals naked cunt, and smiles. mother goes apeshit, screaming in, i think, portuguese, even now, i can almost hear it through open window.
1675943;1498664631;asciilifeform;lol, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-23#1674130 etc.
1675944;1498664631;a111;Logged on 2017-06-23 18:15 asciilifeform: js-of-mp: because the wrongmusic plays not at the bar, but permanently on her face..
1675945;1498664662;mircea_popescu;she was ugly ?
1675946;1498664673;asciilifeform;to asciilifeform's lights
1675947;1498664678;asciilifeform;but i suspect mircea_popescu would have liked. brazil.
1675948;1498664703;mircea_popescu;let me explain to you how the duty of fucking works, because you're perhaps unaware.
1675949;1498664740;mircea_popescu;so, the young woman wants to individuate, gives her cunt to male, old woman / mother goes apeshit, male protects cuntlet from her mother. this is how it goes.
1675950;1498664746;*;asciilifeform pictures a 'партия сказала надо -- комсомол ответил: есть!'
1675951;1498664750;mircea_popescu;you can't simply walk away / pretend it's not your problem. it is your problem.
1675952;1498664756;asciilifeform;it is?!
1675953;1498664761;mircea_popescu;yes.
1675954;1498664776;asciilifeform;the surprising/memorable thing was the apeshit mother
1675955;1498664781;asciilifeform;what's the mechanism there
1675956;1498664797;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, old women. who the fuck understands the mechanism of their trying to ruin the world.
1675957;1498664810;mircea_popescu;pantsuit means "incomprehensible evil" and no more.
1675958;1498664833;asciilifeform;the duty of bacteriologist is to comprehend the 'incomprehensible plague' etc
1675959;1498664838;asciilifeform;so might be worth digging.
1675960;1498664843;mircea_popescu;there's no duty of the bacteriologist.
1675961;1498664881;mircea_popescu;the charge of the bacteriologist may well be that, but entirely different item, a charge.
1675962;1498664913;asciilifeform;hm.
1675963;1498664994;mircea_popescu;this is the important point here : that you're not attracted to the daugther's cunt. god knows there is naught more abundant on this earth. BUT you are to repress the mother into political irrelevancy.
1675964;1498665004;mircea_popescu;that, you must do.
1675965;1498665030;asciilifeform;describe, for education, how mircea_popescu goes about doing this.
1675966;1498665055;mircea_popescu;i'll say this much : that never in my history, with ANY woman, was it the case the mother didn't go some variant of apeshit and i repressed her into irrelevancy.
1675967;1498665066;mircea_popescu;even with women that were orphans, or didn't talk to their mothers in years.
1675968;1498665108;mircea_popescu;how, specifically, it goes varies by case. very often, at least in my youth, it was "that mp, he's such a great guy, not like the other vagabonds you keep bringing home!!1". ie, they self-repressed.
1675969;1498665126;asciilifeform;sometimes the simulated devil running in chick's head is the father, not mother
1675970;1498665127;mircea_popescu;which is very patently there, they doin't know it, but biology dun care.
1675971;1498665131;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's pet's, for instance )
1675972;1498665166;mircea_popescu;at the other extreme, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580129
1675973;1498665166;a111;Logged on 2016-12-09 01:44 mircea_popescu: ~if i am~ a drug dealer and i burn down your house, you'll what ? file a police report ? go on the local news network with a teary eyed "no one could have predicted that if i get pissy with people who break the law for a living i might end up with a burned down house" ?
1675974;1498665191;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, plenty of kids today suckle two mothers as it were.
1675975;1498665384;mircea_popescu;but in any case : the socialist rot starts with permitting mothers to go apeshit near their daughter's bare cunt. the swamp drain starts there.
1675976;1498665410;mircea_popescu;it's the whole through which "the world doth not belong to you" goes into pantsuit skull.
1675977;1498665449;mircea_popescu;the hole* lmao
1675978;1498666130;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675879 << ftr tptacek is the infamous 'USE /DEV/URANDOM !!' d00d
1675979;1498666130;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 13:17 sina: "It’s not crazy for OpenSSL to redesign and simplify its CSPRNG. It is silly to make it MORE complicated." from tptacek
1675980;1498666182;asciilifeform;beloved sage ideologue of the schneierism komyoonity, author of gems like https://archive.is/ootJi
1675981;1498666239;asciilifeform;!#s tptacek
1675982;1498666239;a111;14 results for "tptacek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tptacek
1675983;1498666252;asciilifeform;see also esp. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523233 .
1675984;1498666252;a111;Logged on 2016-08-17 16:54 asciilifeform: all i solidly know of the tptacek fella is his reaction to phuctor.
1675985;1498666274;mircea_popescu;this "arguing in the general for opposite particulars" byzantine "wisdom" ie stupidtity is just about all us by mass now
1675986;1498666294;asciilifeform;aha, 'what shall it be, gavincoin or hearncoin'
1675987;1498666327;mircea_popescu;opposite i mean to the general. like "making rng more complex is silly -- here, use tyhis broken one"
1675988;1498666335;mircea_popescu;bitch, that "silly" does not map on your "use this broken one"
1675989;1498666355;asciilifeform;or even to promote the notion that openssl has whatever kind of future.
1675990;1498666361;mircea_popescu;"oh, but the only reason i even discuss that generazl point is to try and sell you cheetos"
1675991;1498666365;asciilifeform;'we are talking about it, THEREFORE RELEVANT!1' etc
1675992;1498666389;mircea_popescu;yeah lolz. "this is what is important TO US"
1675993;1498667585;*;asciilifeform is quite looking forward to the frenzied butthurtz of the shitlibs folx when 'p' is released.
1675994;1498668185;asciilifeform;'Sources need to be statistically assessed. The quality of the entropy being produced needs to be estimated so that enough can be released to properly seed the RNG. The dieharder and TESTU01 suites are good but they both require prohibitively large amounts of random data to operate. NIST's SP800-90B tests seem to be statistically sound and have manageable data requirements....' << didjaknow!
1675995;1498668203;mircea_popescu;lel
1675996;1498668222;mircea_popescu;see, what do you want dirigible for. alreadfy got one, looking down through telescope at teh stone age folk
1675997;1498668247;mircea_popescu;"showers require prohibitive amounts of mule-carried water to operate"
1675998;1498668255;asciilifeform;they sure do!111
1675999;1498668260;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1676000;1498668279;asciilifeform;use /dev/fauxwater
1676001;1498668299;mircea_popescu;it's almost just as good, and it smells like roses a donkey shat on
1676002;1498668334;asciilifeform;hey, it's a hose from the stable's piss trough -- but at least it doesn't block !!
1676003;1498668500;asciilifeform;all quality hokum has a measure of fact mixed in : e.g. 'dieharder' is in fact extraordinarily 'hungry'
1676004;1498668504;asciilifeform;but not unusably .
1676005;1498668509;mircea_popescu;not that i've seen
1676006;1498668514;mircea_popescu;our problems is its cycling not its hunger
1676007;1498668544;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660237 << see also )
1676008;1498668544;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 01:06 asciilifeform: ( the grade outputted by the 'hungrier' tests appears to be in direct proportion to sample size, and very little else; and FG, /dev/urandom, various fashionable prng, intel's mysterymeatrng, and several others, all exhibit same effect, 100% pass begins somewhere b/w 1-3GB sample size. )
1676009;1498668550;asciilifeform;well yes, it cycles, because 'hungry'
1676010;1498668565;mircea_popescu;but io got food
1676011;1498668587;asciilifeform;author apparently considered 'p value too low unless TB of input' or whatnot
1676012;1498668601;mircea_popescu;not unreasonable. let fg run for a while
1676013;1498668603;asciilifeform;and would not reply to asciilifeform's or other (iirc BingoBoingo ) attempts to find why
1676014;1498668628;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i got one here with 16G and counting
1676015;1498668634;mircea_popescu;eh, TB ?
1676016;1498668642;asciilifeform;yes!
1676017;1498668642;mircea_popescu;i read gb.
1676018;1498668652;asciilifeform;some tests still read 'rewound 15 times'
1676019;1498668656;mircea_popescu;well running 1mn times over 1mb is not "bettering" the mb
1676020;1498668673;mircea_popescu;elementarily.
1676021;1498668709;asciilifeform;as i understand it was a statistical ('p value') demand by the author.
1676022;1498668735;mircea_popescu;yes but then he implements rewinds ?
1676023;1498668743;asciilifeform;aaaha.
1676024;1498668750;asciilifeform;and i did ask 'why?!!!'
1676025;1498668752;asciilifeform;0 reply.
1676026;1498668763;mircea_popescu;fucking stupid camp. there's a guarantee real random stream will vary from 01010101 by some count.
1676027;1498668773;mircea_popescu;then that becomes a pattern when you reuse it
1676028;1498668793;asciilifeform;the notion of making a statistical claim about a doubled-tripled-15upled up string, is ????????.
1676029;1498668818;asciilifeform;'cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas that would lead to such...' (tm)(r)(babbage)
1676030;1498668859;mircea_popescu;p-value worship, as such, numerically. i betcha if i told him i have a dentistry certificate he'd be impressed.
1676031;1498668879;asciilifeform;it is in this case specifically cargocultism, rather than application
1676032;1498668898;asciilifeform;i could live with 'too few bits? yer stuck with lower P, and oh here i'll print the P'
1676033;1498668902;asciilifeform;but instead we get... rewinds.
1676034;1498668917;mircea_popescu;bcause nobody can ever be told they'\re not fucking good enough omfgbbq
1676035;1498668943;asciilifeform;well no, not so simple, dh is happy to print 'weak' or 'fail' that resulted from... IT WRAPPING THE STRING
1676036;1498668961;mircea_popescu;yes. no child left behind always means "the kids you really like getting procusted"
1676037;1498668964;asciilifeform;( try running dh on, say, a kByte of anything whatsoever )
1676038;1498669029;mircea_popescu;!~google procust's bed
1676039;1498669031;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Procrustean bed | Define Procrustean bed at Dictionary.com: ; Procrustean bed | Define Procrustean bed at Dictionary.com: ; Encyclopedia of Greek Mythology: Procrustes - Mythweb:
1676040;1498669047;asciilifeform;!#s procrusted
1676041;1498669048;a111;2 results for "procrusted", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=procrusted
1676042;1498669050;asciilifeform;!#s procrusting
1676043;1498669050;a111;1 result for "procrusting", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=procrusting
1676044;1498669063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which is why i put it in
1676045;1498669110;asciilifeform;further lulz from recent fishwrap, https://archive.is/37eB9 >> 'Venezuelan police helicopter strafed the Supreme Court and a government ministry on Tuesday...'
1676046;1498669124;mircea_popescu;did it fall ?
1676047;1498669136;asciilifeform;'no reports of injuries'
1676048;1498669138;asciilifeform;mega-marksmanship
1676049;1498669153;mircea_popescu;you ever been in one odf those ? they're ~useless for aiming
1676050;1498669165;asciilifeform;i had nfi there were any place to even fit a barrel on these
1676051;1498669169;asciilifeform;must have fired out of window
1676052;1498669181;mircea_popescu;i was thinking one of the military ones.
1676053;1498669189;asciilifeform;specified as 'police'
1676054;1498669195;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mega-marksmanship << lel
1676055;1498669290;asciilifeform;'"It's a terrorist attack that is part of an insurrectional offensive by Venezuelan right-wing extremists with the support of foreign governments and powers," said a Venezuelan government communique on the helicopter raid.' << didjaknow
1676056;1498669315;mircea_popescu;"terrorist" = some govt doth not approve
1676057;1498669327;asciilifeform;'Around the time of the attack, the pro-government Supreme Court expanded the role of the state ombudsman, a human rights guarantor who is closely allied with Maduro, by giving him powers previously held only by the state prosecutor's office. Tarek Saab, an ardent Maduro ally, can now lead criminal investigations by ordering state officials to conduct autopsies and carry out ballistics tests, powers previously reserved for state pros
1676058;1498669328;asciilifeform;ecutors. He will also have access to the case files associated with criminal trials.'
1676059;1498669334;asciilifeform;top orc.
1676060;1498670259;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1676017 << 16GB, ftr
1676061;1498670259;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 16:50 mircea_popescu: i read gb.
1676062;1498670268;asciilifeform;( it ~wants~, seems, TB+ )
1676063;1498670279;asciilifeform;for 0wrap.
1676064;1498672479;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675561 << i reread the mega-thread, and it seems that i promised mircea_popescu an algo ! and never iirc posted...
1676065;1498672479;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 01:32 Framedragger: (ah in fact a bit up the stack, http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-121602)
1676066;1498672494;asciilifeform;gotta do this, at some point , after done with the rsa thing
1676067;1498672555;asciilifeform;( this was very near the time when FUCKGOATS was beginning to happen , and it took over asciilifeform's head for a long while )
1676068;1498673953;BingoBoingo; apparently in usg also there are 'untouchable' folx. << Care to do a qntra? Your interpretation seems more interesting than mine.
1676069;1498674004;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hands full atm
1676070;1498675059;BingoBoingo;Ah
1676071;1498675068;BingoBoingo;In other citizen complaints: "Regarding recent posts about a suspicious white panel van that has been spotted ... was contacted by the owner who recognized his vehicle after seeing the posts on social media. He is a local construction worker who had pulled over to take a phone call after leaving a job site near the original complaint location... this was a false alarm."
1676072;1498675086;BingoBoingo;^ Workvehicles now assumed to be crime scenes
1676073;1498675126;BingoBoingo;^ Pulling over to make phone call like you aren't a suicidal psycho bitch, nao suspicious
1676074;1498677676;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/fake-news-organizations-begin-bleeding-showing-fatigue/ << Qntra - Fake News Organizations Begin Bleeding, Showing Fatigue
1676075;1498677822;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'ensures'
1676076;1498678344;TomServo;also, take *its* toll
1676077;1498678977;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1676078;1498681395;ben_vulpes;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/06/27/seattles-higher-minimum-wage-is-actually-working-just-fine/ << "minimum wage increase is totally working!!!"
1676079;1498681434;ben_vulpes;best part, "their results are just completely out of the standard accepted by minimum wage hike advocates as reasonable"
1676080;1498682401;jurov;a parallel with economy struck me. economists invented something they call "value" and are jerking off on it it ever since
1676081;1498682414;jurov;and cryptographers just invented -- entropy.
1676082;1498684529;asciilifeform;in other noose, in 6236676 phuctor moduli, still just the same old 2 fermat-factorables as 6 mo. ago.
1676083;1498684609;asciilifeform;( 10,000 shots of fermatola / per.; took ~40 min. )
1676084;1498684612;asciilifeform;!!up palatine
1676085;1498684613;deedbot;palatine voiced for 30 minutes.
1676086;1498684653;asciilifeform;palatine: who might you be ?
1676087;1498684720;palatine;that's an interesting question
1676088;1498684753;asciilifeform;palatine: if so interesting, consider answering..?
1676089;1498684760;palatine;just reading trilema and contravex and followed the lead here
1676090;1498684792;asciilifeform;palatine: enjoy. and also there are logs, http://btcbase.org/log .
1676091;1498684816;palatine;thank you
1676092;1498686628;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1676067 << :p
1676093;1498686628;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 17:55 asciilifeform: ( this was very near the time when FUCKGOATS was beginning to happen , and it took over asciilifeform's head for a long while )
1676094;1498686630;mircea_popescu;there is time tho
1676095;1498686715;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1676078 << "twice the heroin works ok for me!"
1676096;1498686715;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 20:23 ben_vulpes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/06/27/seattles-higher-minimum-wage-is-actually-working-just-fine/ << "minimum wage increase is totally working!!!"
1676097;1498686782;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1676082 << cosmic rays behave in mysterious ways.
1676098;1498686782;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 21:15 asciilifeform: in other noose, in 6236676 phuctor moduli, still just the same old 2 fermat-factorables as 6 mo. ago.
1676099;1498688496;shinohai;http://archive.is/9jQzU <<< Top kek OPSEC
1676100;1498695877;asciilifeform;in other peculiar bernsteinisms: http://loup-vaillant.fr/tutorials/poly1305-design
1676101;1498698554;ben_vulpes;and fortranisms: http://fluxus.haus/post/162281020169
1676102;1498710018;ben_vulpes;wat-as-hell pitfalls of modern timeshare scams: https://sysdig.com/blog/container-isolation-gone-wrong/
1676103;1498710602;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you know some dorks here built a shipping container church ?
1676104;1498712443;mircea_popescu;and in random lulz : bus line in costa rica chose the facebook handle viajEROTICAbus
1676105;1498712447;mircea_popescu;to them it makes sense.
1676106;1498719511;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/nicaragua-es-un-pais-pobre/ << Trilema - Nicaragua es un pais pobre.
1676107;1498722474;*;BingoBoingo somehow picked up a case of acedia this week
1676108;1498722801;*;BingoBoingo unsure if this is related to smoking cessation or alf's dosimeter hypothesis
1676109;1498725027;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/06/8-year-old-dorm-building-explodes-on-us-campus/ << Qntra - 8 Year Old Dorm Building Explodes On US Campus
1676110;1498725794;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1676111;1498725798;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2574.02, vol: 9247.86861870 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2500.002, vol: 4360.78148 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2507.2, vol: 18481.94127152 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2645.118, vol: 7894.08990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2568.003, vol: 6178.03593635 | Volume-weighted last average: 2551.62836146
1676112;1498725881;BingoBoingo;le sigh, still crashing
1676113;1498737672;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/66C8EBEA4DE5ACA6EFC6B1B1BE33ECBCC9D4D64BD6D5F1CBEFC5818CE16AE914 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.4.16 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.4.16 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN)
1676114;1498737672;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/78EEABCADE0AAF24BF0A74FFC4499719B490E7A27952560F9860F82FFF341545 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.78.224 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.78.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 33)
1676115;1498737672;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F1E48FD50BC89EFA18F3A63DFD88482CB3B74362F99077EA25B771FD7F10AFF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.76.198 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.76.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt)