1650332;1493598153;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-walking/ << Trilema - The day of walking.
1650333;1493598976;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/modifying-eulora-icons/ << Daniel P. Barron - Modifying Eulora Icons
1650334;1493599868;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you can actually also change the dialogs skin the same way, the character models, the skybox / ground, pretty much everything whatsoever.
1650335;1493600350;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/NmfNI << when usg bgp-hijacks - 0 press, unsurprise. when ru -- mass panic ( e.g. https://archive.is/ZYy6z )
1650336;1493600370;asciilifeform;'On Wednesday, large chunks of network traffic belonging to MasterCard, Visa, and more than two dozen other financial services companies were briefly routed through a Russian government-controlled telecom under unexplained circumstances that renew lingering questions about the trust and reliability of some of the most sensitive Internet communications.' didjaknow.
1650337;1493600445;asciilifeform;( not to mention the idiot 'attribution' thing. why the hell would usg ~not~ broadcast false bgp to point to rutelecom. )
1650338;1493600912;Framedragger;^ good reminder why any trust on 'origin ip' is moot eh!
1650339;1493600930;Framedragger;(cf. early gossipd designs, etc.)
1650340;1493600948;asciilifeform;Framedragger: nobody canceled, e.g., elementary theft of boxes, either
1650341;1493600962;asciilifeform;(anywhere on your route)
1650342;1493600989;Framedragger;yes sure, there is that.
1650343;1493601162;mircea_popescu;usg is speshul! according to usg.
1650344;1493601174;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1650345;1493601292;mircea_popescu;Framedragger sane designs (such as you know, mpex has been displaying since 2012 say) do not even care as to what ip.
1650346;1493601400;Framedragger;whatever my gripes with teh mp-way, /me been personal fan of mpex design and opsec since day 1 ;)
1650347;1493601421;mircea_popescu;me too!
1650348;1493601427;Framedragger;we should party.
1650349;1493601443;mircea_popescu;yeah!
1650350;1493604431;mircea_popescu;in other hydraulics, https://68.media.tumblr.com/03c225e1a79025b4401f886571cd02e6/tumblr_o7z8mtGSO11r2u49wo1_500.gif
1650351;1493604677;mircea_popescu;Framedragger btw you gonna re-do the scan for 2017 ?
1650352;1493605415;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Rtpuo/?raw=true
1650353;1493605426;deedbot;accepted: 1
1650354;1493605449;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/qntra-s-qntr-april-2017-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2017 Report
1650355;1493605689;shinohai;Continuing in hydraulics: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/hydraulics.mp4
1650356;1493607047;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650350 << i had nfi this was possible. mega-respect.
1650357;1493607047;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 02:07 mircea_popescu: in other hydraulics, https://68.media.tumblr.com/03c225e1a79025b4401f886571cd02e6/tumblr_o7z8mtGSO11r2u49wo1_500.gif
1650358;1493607882;mod6;Ladies & Gentlemen of TMSR~: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-May/000263.html
1650359;1493608325;shinohai;ty mod6 ... that was prompt!
1650360;1493608950;mod6;yup, np!
1650361;1493609849;asciilifeform;oh hey.
1650362;1493610317;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-464291.txt
1650363;1493610724;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m3LQl/?raw=true << egyptian mul. with slightly better comments
1650364;1493610772;*;asciilifeform still chewing on a formal proof re subj
1650365;1493610861;asciilifeform;surprisingly tough, because the OF bit is ~not~, as is in the case of familiar add/substract, the next bit of the product ! (which, observe earlier, can actually be 0 in the case of some overflows) but stands for merely the fact that P != X*Y .
1650366;1493610877;asciilifeform;*subtract
1650367;1493617621;BingoBoingo;Fuck 463303 was morbidly obese block
1650368;1493631704;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170501/#20 << ah, yes! that is definitely in the plan. in june or july, conservatively say july!
1650369;1493631705;scriba;Logged on 2017-05-01: [02:11:19] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger btw you gonna re-do the scan for 2017 ?
1650370;1493635179;Framedragger;in other sads, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/B2q4T/?raw=true
1650371;1493635553;Framedragger;(cv mentions gaming. not making this up)
1650372;1493638438;mircea_popescu;nice mod6 :D
1650373;1493638503;mircea_popescu;nitpick : move 2016 to 2017 on trb.org main page
1650374;1493638612;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650363 << dude. put the double carry mult-with-overflow-detection on your blog. with a proper and complete discussion. with log references. THEN, ~link it~ from your ~actual software~ via the comments.
1650375;1493638612;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 03:52 asciilifeform: in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m3LQl/?raw=true << egyptian mul. with slightly better comments
1650376;1493638636;mircea_popescu;that way you'll end up with your blog linked by random idiots with delusions of grandeur in the future, exactly like it happened in the past.
1650377;1493638713;mircea_popescu;guy bemoans lack of lisp style tagged data in today's world of shit ; refuses WITH THE CUTTING OF THE HEAD to structure and tag anything no matter what. wtf is wrong with you.
1650378;1493639499;mircea_popescu;Framedragger worx. not like the other batch is fully digested yet anyway.
1650379;1493639538;mircea_popescu;and point the woman towards #eulora, what.
1650380;1493639795;mircea_popescu;shinohai your joo's ded ?
1650381;1493639962;mircea_popescu;and in other news : do you enjoy traveling ? is your idea of traveling to walk for hours among the strange bazaars of distant lands ? does the cushion for the pushin' whine that her feet hurt and that she's thirsty and hurr durr ? there are solutions! https://68.media.tumblr.com/469792dfd1e169230c2349eb69afd23c/tumblr_ocm867cZ1O1ukrdklo1_500.gif
1650382;1493639967;mircea_popescu;and i mean "solutions" literally.
1650383;1493644626;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-april-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2017 Statement
1650384;1493644703;mircea_popescu;shares added also.
1650385;1493647464;shinohai;joo (and meself) back online .... sry for inconvenience
1650386;1493649687;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QmUh3/?raw=true
1650387;1493649687;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1650388;1493650744;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1650389;1493650752;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1386.56, vol: 6151.02469569 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1328.799, vol: 5018.8888 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1497.0, vol: 16433.45406724 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1181.270708, vol: 7505.75570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1390.526, vol: 3756.17617334 | Volume-weighted last average: 1386.53582297
1650390;1493651547;shinohai;Things to electrify your Monday morning: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/grid1.jpg
1650391;1493651767;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb
1650392;1493651774;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 8089.99, vol: 7880.37150000 | Volume-weighted last average: 8089.99
1650393;1493652171;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/fiatbitcoin-interfaces-testing-us-dollar-at-11400th-bitcoin-price-level/ << Qntra - fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Testing US dollar At 1/1400th Bitcoin Price Level
1650394;1493653037;ben_vulpes;spacex reentry photography kindles me cockles
1650395;1493653068;ben_vulpes;tight crop on the engines in flight, apparently from other flying craft
1650396;1493653074;shinohai;In Monero scammer news: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=68520
1650397;1493653193;ben_vulpes;shinohai: that's...the tortilla?
1650398;1493653202;shinohai;yup
1650399;1493653253;shinohai;Seems his "Crypto Kingdom" game has gotten him heavily into debt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1890786.0
1650400;1493653466;mircea_popescu;aww
1650401;1493653512;mircea_popescu;"It is unfortunate that what was once a promising game with many contributors in the community has turned into a scam, but such as it is."
1650402;1493653518;mircea_popescu;these FUCKTARDED IMBECILES.
1650403;1493653562;shinohai;No one could have predicted, ammirite?
1650404;1493653587;mircea_popescu;"oh, there's a game that actually works, run by the only guy who actually has money or understands business in this cloud of idiots. tell you what -- we'll pretend to be offended at "fuckgoats" and stick with some utter derpitude run by a mentally ill runt. then a year or two years or whatever later we'll go ... "unfortunately" and act like no one could have fucking predicted".
1650405;1493653610;mircea_popescu;and then when i want them boiled in oil i'm supposed to give explanations or something ? hurr.
1650406;1493653645;mircea_popescu;shinohai ^ post that in there, at least when i get to boil them in oil right and proper they get to hurr durr at the fact that they ~actually had the text before their eyes~
1650407;1493653667;mircea_popescu;exactly like the braindead strippers who wouldn't pick up a bitcoin for free because hey, "professional" and whatnot.
1650408;1493653671;*;shinohai goes to the swamp to revel in lulz
1650409;1493653690;shinohai;Should I invite him here to bare tits for 2 bittys?
1650410;1493653701;mircea_popescu;pshh.
1650411;1493653727;mircea_popescu;this nonsensical pretense that there's somehow "choice" and "people have it" gotta be the #1 driver of the socialist empire of idiots.
1650412;1493653737;mircea_popescu;what fucking choice! THIS is the choice. what choice was it ?
1650413;1493654009;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5Y49M/?raw=true
1650414;1493654324;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aite, 1s
1650415;1493654336;mircea_popescu;cool
1650416;1493654710;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1e02k/?raw=true
1650417;1493655477;mircea_popescu;tyvm.
1650418;1493655746;jurov;https://semiaccurate.com/2017/05/01/remote-security-exploit-2008-intel-platforms/
1650419;1493655779;jurov;The short version is that every Intel platform with AMT, ISM, and SBT from Nehalem in 2008 to Kaby Lake in 2017 has a remotely exploitable security hole in the ME (Management Engine) not CPU firmware.
1650420;1493655838;mircea_popescu;and the idiots "begged intel to fix it for years" and never said a peep.
1650421;1493655844;mircea_popescu;fucking idiots.
1650422;1493655899;mircea_popescu;"First a little bit of background. SemiAccurate has known about this vulnerability for literally years now, it came up in research we were doing on hardware backdoors over five years ago. What we found was scary on a level that literally kept us up at night. For obvious reasons we couldn’t publish what we found out but we took every opportunity to beg anyone who could even tangentially influence the right people to do somet
1650423;1493655899;mircea_popescu;hing about this security problem."
1650424;1493655905;mircea_popescu;what fucking "obvious" reasons, good soviet ?
1650425;1493655931;asciilifeform;lul, magicpacket!
1650426;1493655958;asciilifeform;'Intel has plans on when to issue “reactive” NDAs to customers several weeks before the “proactive” and “public” disclosures. ' << gold
1650427;1493655997;mircea_popescu;fuck this entire shitshow of clowns and faces eaters.
1650428;1493656044;asciilifeform;'If your system is 10 years old or newer it is likely exploitable' << 2009opteron4evah!111
1650429;1493656059;mircea_popescu;aha.
1650430;1493656091;mircea_popescu;!!rate charlie demerjian -10 hostis humani generis.
1650431;1493656100;asciilifeform;' Richard Stallman was right about firmware, and there are alternatives now too.' << 'alternatives' link goes to, guess what, vapour
1650432;1493656210;*;asciilifeform read linked piece 3x, did not find disclosure of the 0day
1650433;1493656252;asciilifeform;'You have them on your machine. You really need to turn them off' << except they dun come with an off switch.
1650434;1493656252;mircea_popescu;doh.
1650435;1493656475;Framedragger;olook the backdoor is an actual backdoor! good call on opteron asciilifeform :)
1650436;1493656488;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it was a backdoor when AMT first announced !
1650437;1493656496;asciilifeform;how many thick heads is this still failing to get through.
1650438;1493656525;asciilifeform;HAVING THE FUCKING FRITZ CHIP is the backdoor. not somebody-not-nsa-learning-the-key.
1650439;1493656532;asciilifeform;for fuck's sake.
1650440;1493656554;mircea_popescu;heh.
1650441;1493656690;asciilifeform;number of nsaware-free workstations or servers in production today :  still 0.
1650442;1493656716;Framedragger;the "but we begged" is quite rich, omg
1650443;1493656725;mircea_popescu;let's redo the whole http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=republican+isp discussion huh.
1650444;1493656738;Framedragger;in which mp gets pissed again!1
1650445;1493656745;mircea_popescu;can you blame me ?
1650446;1493656751;Framedragger;nopenope.
1650447;1493656762;asciilifeform;'republican isp' on magicpacketable-nsaware iron...
1650448;1493656777;mircea_popescu;"oh, i'm too fucking good to send some opterons to be racked and btw we begged for less cock. or more. or something, anyway FOR LITERALLY YEARS!!11"
1650449;1493656790;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what ?
1650450;1493656806;asciilifeform;( if mircea_popescu needed a 2009opteron for own use -- asciilifeform could, in principle, help. but if he needed a rack-house filled with them -- the gods themselves, could not help. )
1650451;1493656814;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'll mention one thing tho: you cited "$10k+ / year" figures and all that, but just ftr i don't believe the actual *profit margin* (vs. revenue) would be decent. that said, this should of course be researched.
1650452;1493656828;mircea_popescu;of course you don't. why don't you ?
1650453;1493656855;mircea_popescu;is it from the experience of being a businessman, or is it from the experience of being a cocksucker, begging this and that, like the schmuck i just negrated ?
1650454;1493656864;mircea_popescu;cuz this might matter, at least somewhat.
1650455;1493656899;shinohai;srsly
1650456;1493656933;asciilifeform;incidentally, if it turns out that mircea_popescu had in fact buried 10,001 opterons somewhere in the desert, now'd be the time to dig'em up. and profit margin will be very respectable.
1650457;1493656974;asciilifeform;( naturally , don't sell'em, tmsr-isp'em. )
1650458;1493657036;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same argument could be made re mp's bitcoins, mp's slavegirls, mp's anythings yes ? how much would a girl properly trained sell for, seeing how the fucking shah of brunei can't, apparently, find one, and not for lack of trying ? subquestion : what THE FUCK is "respectable" supposed to mean in a world where apparently mp is the only one who has shit and everyone else will resist getting ~~~~~~ANY~~~~~ shit whatso
1650459;1493657037;mircea_popescu;ever at all WITH THEIR FUCKING LIFE
1650460;1493657037;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1650461;1493657051;mircea_popescu;respectable profit in what sense, i'll trade my time for fiatollars and then what ?
1650462;1493657055;*;shinohai still wants one of mircea_popescu 's thinkpads from back in the day ....
1650463;1493657085;asciilifeform;what part of 'don't sell'em' was not clear
1650464;1493657100;asciilifeform;run, e.g., tmsr-isp .
1650465;1493657107;mircea_popescu;oh, i should run it. i see.
1650466;1493657129;asciilifeform;not even addressed to mircea_popescu in particular.
1650467;1493657203;mircea_popescu;fwiw, 6274 for instance still on amazon at 800 bux or so.
1650468;1493657265;mircea_popescu;the 4gz fx 8370 goes for 150 bux, used. and so on.
1650469;1493657277;asciilifeform;fx lacks ecc.
1650470;1493657287;asciilifeform;(not the chip per se, but the known mobos did)
1650471;1493657387;asciilifeform;6274 was a good one
1650472;1493657392;asciilifeform;gotta wonder what the 'market depth' is.
1650473;1493657453;Framedragger;btw, if anyone is considering doing the isp thing, one of the potential providers which offers colo is https://pinspb.ru/ (doesn't look serious i know, but after some research it turns out to have close ties to 2x4.ru, and that's not a bad sign.)
1650474;1493657453;Framedragger;^ can purchase ip blocks via 'em, too, for good price; etc.
1650475;1493657548;asciilifeform;https://pinspb.ru/79 << seems like they only take ru-only spampaypals tho
1650476;1493657569;asciilifeform;or hm, nm, they also eat 'visa' etc
1650477;1493657577;asciilifeform;but not - it seems - btc.
1650478;1493657583;Framedragger;if there is a will!..
1650479;1493657645;*;Framedragger recalls using some 'virtual gold' 'incorporated in panama' company currency to trade goods. sustainable? no. can make it werk for specific trades? can do!
1650480;1493657678;asciilifeform;isp is typically a recurring thing tho, vs 'specific trade'
1650481;1493657719;mircea_popescu;~any isp will open you a wire channel if you're paying them substantially. pay them quarterly, it'll be substantial enough.
1650482;1493657739;asciilifeform;the linked isp even offers year-long parcel
1650483;1493657747;asciilifeform;and definitely eats wires
1650484;1493657776;mircea_popescu;so then. you want to use the wire system whenever you can anyway.
1650485;1493657783;Framedragger;yepyep. i must say that i had not dealt with them directly, ever. but it came up in my 'ok so what actual non-nato providers/DCs could i use?'
1650486;1493657801;asciilifeform;Framedragger: 2x4 came up in my list also
1650487;1493657820;mircea_popescu;russia is not without its own problems but having a dc there is certainly a sound plan.
1650488;1493657833;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah, but they don't offer colo, at least upon initial glance. can send query, of course. but may as well deal with their upstream DCs
1650489;1493657869;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu recently discovered that you gotta buy a colo if you want to emplace something as small as even a FUCKGOATS
1650490;1493657874;Framedragger;(iirc pinspb hosts, or is related to 2x4 dns boxes. would need to dig up)
1650491;1493657927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wonder how the ssl idiots handle this ( they have, or at least at one time had, hardware accelerators for their nonsense . did they also have to pay for entire machine colo, to plug in the 1 board ?? )
1650492;1493657929;Framedragger;some providers may agree to attach usb devices. iirc (possibly) leaseweb. (based in .nl, i know, but they also fought some 'give us yer customers' cases iirc)
1650493;1493657960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i said cherryservers (ex balticservers) didn't want to.
1650494;1493657986;asciilifeform;Framedragger: my (possibly naive) picture is that it does very little good to put a FG ~outside~ of box, where any idiot could unplug or substitute it; it only begins to make sense inside a welded colo box
1650495;1493657997;asciilifeform;( or , ideally, box in your castle )
1650496;1493657998;Framedragger;cherryservers do seem nice but their nato affiliation is over 9000 hah
1650497;1493658022;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah shit, of course
1650498;1493658193;mircea_popescu;i don't get what the problem with colocating boxes is supposed to be. pro tip : every box in every rack in every datacenter on planet earth WAS COLOCATED THERE.
1650499;1493658204;mircea_popescu;this is like a discussion of dairy attempting to avoid cows.
1650500;1493658243;mircea_popescu;"oh but they moo" "so what the fuck if they do." "it's scary!" "dude..."
1650501;1493658261;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: what do you mean, do you mean resistance against colocating?
1650502;1493658287;mircea_popescu;i mean of course you'll colocate boxes, this is what you do. isp places his boxes in a datacenter, it's the job description.
1650503;1493658291;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu earlier asked some dc for 'i'll lease your box but plug in this 1 thing'
1650504;1493658307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wasn't some dc, was named and renamed above!
1650505;1493658312;asciilifeform;this is a sort of chimera of 'colo' and conventional
1650506;1493658320;Framedragger;ah. rightright.
1650507;1493658320;mircea_popescu;it was an isp. one that on the price front is pretty cool but on the service front sucks.
1650508;1493658331;Framedragger;maybe a matter of renting rack unit vs rack vs cage
1650509;1493658346;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would i want to deal with them anyway.
1650510;1493658373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it could even be the case that the 'no, we won't plug your box in' are not in fact selling physical boxes. but instead are fraudulently peddling vmtron
1650511;1493658379;asciilifeform;or whatever unmanned thing.
1650512;1493658386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they';re the people hosting phuctor.
1650513;1493658411;asciilifeform;could be the case that dulap is 'grandfathered' physical box, but new ones are vm.
1650514;1493658413;asciilifeform;or who knows.
1650515;1493658433;Framedragger;could it be legitimate concern of space in their cramped cages that they are worrying about? (i know, naive interpretation)
1650516;1493658435;mircea_popescu;which, to resolve ~that~ problem, alone eats plenty of yearly thousands of dollars. it alone, the loss leader of one of the projects etc.
1650517;1493658458;mircea_popescu;Framedragger or they have a 3 ring binder, or whatever the fuck. why should i debug their process when instead i could debug yours.
1650518;1493658469;Framedragger;yes.
1650519;1493658504;*;Framedragger posts ad, "need slavegirls, for mopping -- my backlog"
1650520;1493658533;mircea_popescu;!~calc 0.38090752 * 12 * bitcoin-last or what was it
1650521;1493658637;Framedragger;curious, what is phuctor's cpu? xeon e5-4620? v2/v3/v4?
1650522;1493658868;mircea_popescu;the exact machine is in the reports when i got it.
1650523;1493659203;shinohai;Heh `anonymint` reborn locked that other thread, is evidently working on some new vaporware: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18597183#msg18597183
1650524;1493659801;Framedragger;summary of short chat with cherryservers (hey can't hurt): they used to offer colo but do no more (hmh); they "may" consider attaching "arduino-sized" (my description) hardware device, will report back tomorrow after consulting with technicians when they are in.
1650525;1493659970;Framedragger;(sorry for low-level noise, just for posterity.)
1650526;1493660850;mircea_popescu;and in other 56th wave feminisms, https://68.media.tumblr.com/0e8eb89bd01e55b9063a0c1b812f6d8f/tumblr_ngqdo4wLx41sxfvmgo4_1280.jpg
1650527;1493661477;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/largo-al-factotum-della-citta-della-citta-della/ << Trilema - Largo al factotum della citta, della citta, della...
1650528;1493661548;mircea_popescu;shinohai so basically this is the monero unraveling / going away party or what.
1650529;1493663366;Framedragger;https://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf << nothing new, but sat down to read some slides about teh backdoor in question, more technical details, decent overview imho. "slides" because info needs to be patched up from proprietary intel SDKs etc etc
1650530;1493663530;mircea_popescu;fucking intel.
1650531;1493663533;asciilifeform;Framedragger: old
1650532;1493663677;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah apparently. but gotta start somewhere. and yeh i understand that shit's different *again* since then
1650533;1493663702;asciilifeform;nah afaik basic scheme is same
1650534;1493663716;asciilifeform;and on amd also very similar
1650535;1493663741;Framedragger;amd "kinda said" they may release full src for coreboot et al., but obvs no dice yet
1650536;1493663752;asciilifeform;signed blobware runs on own, separate core with access to everything (plus own sram)
1650537;1493663775;Framedragger;access to main memory, access to *network* (complete bypass of cpu), yeahyeah... amazing
1650538;1493663790;asciilifeform;Framedragger: if you think they'll release the privkey, i got a bridge to sellya
1650539;1493663822;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and of course can't just ablate it
1650540;1493663832;Framedragger;asciilifeform: no, but the src of the separate kernel at the very least. "gotta start somewhere", again. but yeah i know, sisyphus much
1650541;1493663856;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, boobytrapped, box shuts down in iirc 30min
1650542;1493663865;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: machine doesn't boot if you do, it's for enterprise security you understand
1650543;1493663909;Framedragger;(at least in intel ME, from slides i infer that if it doesn't detect the "ME firmware part in BIOS flash", it doesn't even turn on?)
1650544;1493663909;mircea_popescu;and all this happened because well, the dorks that were supposed to stand up against it were jwzing.
1650545;1493663938;mircea_popescu;"for obvious reasons"
1650546;1493663961;mircea_popescu;then they wanna go around pretending like fucking goats is somehow obscene. had they fucked goats instead they'd be quite a lot more respectable.
1650547;1493663962;asciilifeform;'stand up' how? like rms?
1650548;1493663970;asciilifeform;fat lot of good he did.
1650549;1493663972;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like not buying it.
1650550;1493664001;mircea_popescu;this company will not buy anything with that crap. nor can it -- if it tried everyone'd just leave anyway.
1650551;1493664018;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do smart people stand up agaionst the empire of stupid ? BY NOT BEING PART OF IT. hurr.
1650552;1493664046;asciilifeform;smart people count for ~0, apparently, as economic mass
1650553;1493664050;Framedragger;and yet and yet, all them new xeons....
1650554;1493664055;mircea_popescu;entirely not true.
1650555;1493664070;asciilifeform;the britney buyers -- for ~100%.
1650556;1493664074;mircea_popescu;count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs.
1650557;1493664092;Framedragger;amd dropped coreboot support in (iirc) 2013 *because* it deemed it not profitable. impact to business probably ~0.
1650558;1493664127;asciilifeform;Framedragger: usg seekret decree.
1650559;1493664141;mircea_popescu;https://68.media.tumblr.com/605b6ef15e4f83c974e12f1220d90eee/tumblr_ohtvdoLtKW1v6ijcbo1_500.gif in picrelated.
1650560;1493664144;asciilifeform;'fritz chip or HaveProblems'
1650561;1493664171;Framedragger;asciilifeform: that's the more dramatic take on it; the other one is "most of linux powerusers are dirt poor, and there aren't many of them [and the companies which *run* on linux do not count as part of the former group.]"
1650562;1493664183;mircea_popescu;Framedragger and why don't they.
1650563;1493664231;Framedragger;they just use linux and do not give a fuck about getting fucked in ass if money keeps flowing in. money from business and customers who *are not* high-principled powerusers
1650564;1493664238;asciilifeform;well for one thing, ~nobody runs linux, they run rathead, africa, other 'i can't believe it's not's
1650565;1493664247;mircea_popescu;Framedragger and why are they capable of hiring anything but sheilas ?
1650566;1493664253;Framedragger;anyway, i don't see much outrage in regards to intel ME outside of tmsr et al.
1650567;1493664265;mircea_popescu;i don't see much thinking outside of tmsr et all.
1650568;1493664275;asciilifeform;^
1650569;1493664310;Framedragger;yes but this is a bit circular, one of those "prove P: if tmsr, then P; ergo, P"
1650570;1493664331;mircea_popescu;hey, i actually tend to take time out of my day and examine candidates.
1650571;1493664342;mircea_popescu;somehow the examination comes out the same fucking way all the time.
1650572;1493664398;mircea_popescu;either "momentary lapse into lucidity" by dubious author with VERY clenched teeth, usually decade+ old ; or else cat-v/##crypto/tardstalk/reddit/tedx/etcetera.
1650573;1493664455;asciilifeform;Framedragger: whatever things the folx who happily swallow intel cock might do -- 'thinking' is not a legitimate description of any of it
1650574;1493664466;mircea_popescu;the prototype of the former being of course naggum, who would have some rather pointed questions to answer hadn't he taken the easy way out. most of the rest aren't quite that hard stuff, live a life of living death instead, cowering in their basement from tmsr emails etc.
1650575;1493664484;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: there is that. point is, world is ~sheep (when approximated/rounded), they have fiatbux/lifedebtbux, they don't care about these things, intel's profits come at scale, hence investing into "decent tech" is not business-viable. is all i'm sayin'.
1650576;1493664491;mircea_popescu;"whisperers" as alf calls them.
1650577;1493664521;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the point you elide is that all that fiatola "money" is not actually anything.
1650578;1493664546;*;Framedragger checks, can't yet pay for utilities with non-fiat
1650579;1493664553;mircea_popescu;i dunno how you managed to miss the esr poverty discussion and the debian dork murder and the devil's leaves metaphore and everything else.
1650580;1493664555;mircea_popescu;but hey, you got time.
1650581;1493664557;Framedragger;(not disagreeing with core point.)
1650582;1493664584;mircea_popescu;consider : even if i somehow decided to sell a girl, there exists no one who can meaningfully pay for her. what "money" ?
1650583;1493664590;mircea_popescu;"utilities" ?! gimme a break ?
1650584;1493664599;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's 'not anything' is true re 'resource-allocatory' moneys
1650585;1493664610;asciilifeform;but not of daily-bread moneys.
1650586;1493664617;mircea_popescu;"count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs."
1650587;1493664672;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/bd01c81c0c708e3e995ab86652ea19d2/tumblr_ofxifw8zgz1vvfoleo1_500.gif to continue the picrelated trend.
1650588;1493664677;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: alright, more than that: i place higher odds of usd surviving in 2050 if put against btc surviving in 2050. why: a very primitive "age of existence" heuristic. and, i don't trust EC crypto, like, you know, no-one here does. so not willing to put retirement savings into btc. it adds up, utilities, retirement.
1650589;1493664703;mircea_popescu;heh.
1650590;1493664703;ben_vulpes;lol that's a great gif
1650591;1493664713;mircea_popescu;there is ~no chance~ of an usd in 2050.
1650592;1493664750;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ikr
1650593;1493664762;asciilifeform;0 of btc, either, geometric db death.
1650594;1493664776;mircea_popescu;rather.
1650595;1493664789;ben_vulpes;the latter at least is fixable.
1650596;1493664795;mircea_popescu;saving in usd, though. for retirement. this gotta take the cake.
1650597;1493664796;asciilifeform;( before mircea_popescu balks -- 'trbi' ain't btc )
1650598;1493664804;mircea_popescu;i didn't balk.
1650599;1493664811;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nope
1650600;1493664820;Framedragger;(just to be clear, this is another is/ought, i was doing the "is" (imho) part ^, not "ought", of course)
1650601;1493664834;asciilifeform;'saving' dun work
1650602;1493664839;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: didn't you demonstrate that lookup could be got down to o(1)?
1650603;1493664841;asciilifeform;we had thread
1650604;1493664850;Framedragger;(also, by 'usd' meant a portfolio of different fiats)
1650605;1493664869;mircea_popescu;Framedragger tell you what, review what your grandparents earned in usd when they were your age, figure out how well they'd live on it today.
1650606;1493664914;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "different fiats". the chinese made a usd-counerparty-fiat just for the purpose of insulating usg from their economy.
1650607;1493664927;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: theoretically. but tx grow in number, and ssd grows no cheaper.
1650608;1493664930;mircea_popescu;in this sense, usd=eur=rmb=etc.
1650609;1493664934;asciilifeform;likewise memory.
1650610;1493665010;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: also recall the 'tx replacement' thread. classical btc has uncorrectable birth defects.
1650611;1493665021;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: 'If your system is 10 years old or newer it is likely exploitable' << 2009opteron4evah!111 << /me pats 'harpertown' and 'woodcrest' boxes on head. searches classifieds for backups.
1650612;1493665034;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: right, insane inflation. counterpoint "it's all about timing and location" anecdote (purely for entertainment): dad worked in chocolate factory in u.s. back in ~1991, for 2-3mo.; went home with ~ $1k, bought car and flat. ppp!
1650613;1493665055;mircea_popescu;and what's that show ?
1650614;1493665073;Framedragger;"worked for him!"
1650615;1493665078;mircea_popescu;that the braindead fiat of the local socialists was going to outlive the at-the-time republic-of-smart-people currency ?
1650616;1493665086;Framedragger;but yes, saving over multiple decades, different thing *entirely*, of course of course.
1650617;1493665086;mircea_popescu;ass-backwards logic you got going there.
1650618;1493665098;Framedragger;true.
1650619;1493665099;asciilifeform;Framedragger: moreover, there does not exist such a place as from which they won't steal it. whenever they feel like it.
1650620;1493665106;mircea_popescu;yes dude, and some kid worked in bitcoin, bought wife and girlfriend.
1650621;1493665108;mircea_popescu;doh.
1650622;1493665155;mircea_popescu;"framedragger's dad hjad the sense to leave shitistan, worked for dollars in 1991, came back with 1k bought flat, spawned kid, who is too dumb to leave shitistan and work for bitcoin, make 1k, perpetuate the cycle"
1650623;1493665165;mircea_popescu;is the idea that the family line ends with you or what is this anecdote about ?
1650624;1493665188;Framedragger;seems like :D
1650625;1493665193;Framedragger;nah, yeah, i gettit.
1650626;1493665193;mircea_popescu;ask your dad about it!
1650627;1493665195;trinque;I dunno how a kid from .lt thinks whichever govt is everlasting; even the last two cocks that fucked them in the ass withered
1650628;1493665198;trinque;BUT THE THIRD SHALL STAND
1650629;1493665201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall when we had the thread re 'saving' being a magical-thinking delusion as a concept ?
1650630;1493665240;mircea_popescu;well, "the made-1k-realpeoplecurrency-bought flat and cheap hooker in socialistan" anecdote has naught to do with "saving"
1650631;1493665256;pete_dushenski;also, for anyone looking for dc at which to host ssdbox+fuckgoats, you now have an option! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHFsH/?raw=true (cad$189=usd$138 currently, dc located in montreal)
1650632;1493665269;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski montreal is not part of the world.
1650633;1493665277;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: nato
1650634;1493665297;asciilifeform;what next, mordor ?
1650635;1493665335;*;pete_dushenski recalls "no natoreich" thread, lowers head.
1650636;1493665338;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: curious how much they'd quote for 256 GB ECC ram :) (phuctor)
1650637;1493665357;mircea_popescu;i'm actually thinking of standing up a similar box for eulora.
1650638;1493665398;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: already it is so hungry ??
1650639;1493665435;mircea_popescu;eh, better to overprovision than to underprovision these things. but no, not yet.
1650640;1493665459;mircea_popescu;which is why i'm in no terrible hurry ; trying to spawn actual alternative first etc.
1650641;1493665577;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: if the baltics are technically in nato per http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm, this leaves approx. russia, china, japan, korea, and... ?
1650642;1493665591;asciilifeform;no kr
1650643;1493665596;asciilifeform;unless north
1650644;1493665597;mircea_popescu;nor japan.
1650645;1493665604;asciilifeform;aha.
1650646;1493665625;mircea_popescu;hey, i'd love one in say syria.
1650647;1493665637;mircea_popescu;i'd have bought in mossul had the idiots been a little less inept
1650648;1493665677;pete_dushenski;ok so russia, china, and moslem middle east / mediterranean ?
1650649;1493665695;pete_dushenski;just trying to map this out.
1650650;1493665704;mircea_popescu;and africa, and south / central america and go on.
1650651;1493665716;asciilifeform;iran.
1650652;1493665721;mircea_popescu;all sorts of independent pacific islands,
1650653;1493665745;asciilifeform;islands tend to have thin bandwidth
1650654;1493665747;Framedragger;unfortunately northern syria (rojava) uses internet via turkish radio towers (checked / had chat with them once). that'd be an interesting location (kurdish autonomous region; i mean, while it lasts....)
1650655;1493665758;pete_dushenski;hm. ok.
1650656;1493665764;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i dun right off know i'd have a problem with turkey.
1650657;1493665773;Framedragger;alsoalso, ideally more than one upstream ^
1650658;1493665801;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: lol if people want boxes racked in the heart of the empire i can do it for 100/mo for a 2U
1650659;1493665840;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: they have massive firewall, blocking at will. could be not a problem, depending on business case of customers of course. and i guess the counter would be "everyone does"
1650660;1493665862;mircea_popescu;eh they have my foot.
1650661;1493665867;mircea_popescu;let them show me this wonder.
1650662;1493665881;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: guess so.
1650663;1493665886;Framedragger;they blocked wikipedia like 2 days ago heh
1650664;1493665899;Framedragger;(mp: "this is good!" :D )
1650665;1493665956;mircea_popescu;it is.
1650666;1493665961;Framedragger;https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/ ^
1650667;1493665969;mircea_popescu;the fact that they're blocking the usg tendrils scarcely argues against them.
1650668;1493665975;*;Framedragger finds any "blocking" to be retarded on a fundamental level
1650669;1493665984;mircea_popescu;(no, wikipedia has nothing to do wirth anything BUT usg propaganda.)
1650670;1493665995;mircea_popescu;Framedragger why ? we blockl idiots routinely.
1650671;1493666027;Framedragger;we block idiot "write access", so to speak. not blacklisting IPs in logotrons (yet!)
1650672;1493666152;mircea_popescu;so explain this to me. yesterday i was in ##crypto. after a while i... left. this has the blessed effect that the inept idiocies spewed by some immature dickheads no longer befoul my timeline. turkey allowed wikipedia. then after a while it turned it off. this has the blessed effect thjat immature dickheads no longer befoul its timeline.
1650673;1493666154;mircea_popescu;what is the problem ?
1650674;1493666182;mircea_popescu;and don't tell me "that people themselves should be able to choose". people themselves are morons, will gladly "choose" frozen tacos if given that "choice".
1650675;1493666216;Framedragger;i admit that i still have this notion of "global internet" in my mind, as a +ev thing.
1650676;1493666244;Framedragger;so the disagreement stems from that (naive) premise. other parts of reasoning i cannot disagree with, of course.
1650677;1493666264;Framedragger;what can i say!
1650678;1493666286;mircea_popescu;hey, global internet, yes. not for things though.
1650679;1493666287;mircea_popescu;for people.
1650680;1493666294;asciilifeform;^
1650681;1493666309;Framedragger;i use wikipedia for quick lookup of $topic sometimes; i also use it as "collection of references to other places" thing. is this fundamentally toxic? maybe.
1650682;1493666340;asciilifeform;Framedragger: would you, personally, meet with any serious difficulty loading pediwikia in tr, cn, etc ?
1650683;1493666342;mircea_popescu;it is fundamentally toxic, yes. this is how you ended up with so many "naive premise can't disagree with other partrs" etc.
1650684;1493666379;Framedragger;asciilifeform: no, and i see what you mean
1650685;1493666389;mircea_popescu;just like it doesn't really matter what specifically you watch on tv, it's still turning you into a single fat middle aged woman.
1650686;1493667459;mircea_popescu;the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho
1650687;1493667459;mircea_popescu;p looking just like the display only better.
1650688;1493667464;mircea_popescu;and he wants to save!
1650689;1493667522;mircea_popescu;if a million dollars buys you a decent meal in another 25 years you should count yourself lucky, and that's only 2042, 8 more to go to 2050.
1650690;1493667668;Framedragger;i suppose the alternative is not necessarily "buy up bitcoin" (somehow stuck in mind), but invest in business (and possibly (non-nato, or w/e) real estate). (not against my current plans, just, can't do all at once (yet))
1650691;1493667692;mircea_popescu;yes. the alternative to not being a creature of this world is BEING a creature of this world.
1650692;1493667706;mircea_popescu;nobody said you gotta be a figment of some redditard's imagination, now did they.
1650693;1493667750;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "saving" as alf referenced previous discussion because this "saving" is fundamentally and at its core an anti-concept. "how to be powerless while retaining power". nigga, wut ?
1650694;1493667768;mircea_popescu;saving works when it's not saving.
1650695;1493668024;Framedragger;thanks, that makes sense of course.
1650696;1493670073;shinohai;mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1890786.msg18828297#msg18828297
1650697;1493670198;mircea_popescu;mmm ?
1650698;1493670271;shinohai;"Does Eulora accept Monero?" lmfao
1650699;1493670350;*;shinohai should start brokering shitcoin for ecu at a btc 2:1 ratio
1650700;1493671731;mircea_popescu;shinohai can't see what'd stop you.
1650701;1493671757;mircea_popescu;take whatever shitcoins at whatever margin, legitimate biz.
1650702;1493672982;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: in theory, any objections to a dc located in india ?
1650703;1493673029;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1650704;1493673065;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
1650705;1493673103;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: kk.
1650706;1493676772;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in bed, bath and beyonder, ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009407.msg11522596#msg11522596
1650707;1493676772;mircea_popescu;<tasselteats> https://68.media.tumblr.com/88f1013c04c70da831336badefc9aa2f/tumblr_nns15eqGFN1svmr38o1_1280.gif
1650708;1493676910;mircea_popescu;!!key iluvbtcFOC
1650709;1493676911;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/C79EE3737EB33779F365FC70E0F9C2E841EE0CD0.asc
1650710;1493676941;Framedragger;"I can vouch for iluvbitcoins. I haven't dealt with him but I have a spoken to him a few times a while back." what
1650711;1493677008;Framedragger;"we have very different notions of 'vouch' in our minds, friendo"
1650712;1493677117;mircea_popescu;well, vouching party not in your wot.
1650713;1493677487;Framedragger;re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
1650714;1493677867;Framedragger;*actually*, one needs to ask their hosting providers if AMT is enabled (BIOS setting), wouldn't hurt
1650715;1493677995;Framedragger;('provisioning' (see link) is (i think) a separate thing.)
1650716;1493678142;mircea_popescu;eh, they'll be happily churning along years from now. just look at the debian keys or openssh horrors etc.
1650717;1493678248;Framedragger;funny: if one were to follow intel's route of patching firmware, as regards say x220s, lenovo gives update in the form of windows executables
1650718;1493678297;Framedragger;re 'years from now', guess so, can't see why not. fun exploit times! (but seriously, opened ticket at $provider to query about a xeon cpu)
1650719;1493678581;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646987 << heh https://jrwr.io/doku.php?id=blog:ovh_vrack_security_issue (they did respond and amend fairly quickly, but srsly)
1650720;1493678581;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 17:38 davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646944 <<< god no, please no, OVH is a collection of terminally retarded fuckwits living in france's arse hole
1650721;1493678618;Framedragger;"tl;dr: OVH had an issue where your second network card was connected to  other servers in the datacenter. This allowed you to run a DHCP server  and offer a gateway. This also allows you to MITM several machines  outbound traffic, I had 35 machines responding back with DHCP Leases and  about 4 routing outbound traffic to me as their router."
1650722;1493678833;mircea_popescu;trinque there's a vulnerability in how deedbot handles registrations in that even with nick enforcing on, one has enough time before chanserv kicks him off (2-3 seconds ?) to shoot a reg string at deedbot and get the name registered to his key.
1650723;1493678908;Framedragger;30 seconds after nick requested, i believe
1650724;1493678924;mircea_popescu;or that.
1650725;1493678968;Framedragger;(-NickServ- You have 30 seconds to identify to your nickname before it is changed.)
1650726;1493678983;mircea_popescu;aha
1650727;1493679001;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in wet tshirt news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/64e15b06f56eaef9bbc7fbb9897ced32/tumblr_nkfba4hV4o1tu9t4go1_1280.jpg
1650728;1493679026;Framedragger;i like her smile
1650729;1493679088;mircea_popescu;i like her shoes.
1650730;1493679289;trinque;mircea_popescu: idea being to require people to be auth'd to nickserv first?
1650731;1493679354;mircea_popescu;nah, !!v
1650732;1493679385;mircea_popescu;if he can't then trash the reg.
1650733;1493679451;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: what does that accomplish? !!v to show that key i'm registering is indeed owned by me?
1650734;1493679595;mircea_popescu;yes.
1650735;1493679595;mircea_popescu;oh doh, it proves nothing, huh.
1650736;1493679717;mircea_popescu;i guess this is one of those, "pretend like your name reg is worth something without deedbot at your own peril" impedance mismatches not really worth fixing.
1650737;1493679720;Framedragger;almost as if the thing would need to wait and then send a challenge to that same nick, but this is kinda promisetronic i guess.
1650738;1493679736;Framedragger;aha maybe..
1650739;1493679741;trinque;yeah, sorta tape over "we don't own the ircd"
1650740;1493679752;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yeah, not sure how much work i want expended to support nickserv's fiatista notions of dns.
1650741;1493679783;mircea_popescu;trinque more like, yet another case of bad dns implemented ad-hoc by pretenders.
1650742;1493685596;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650704 << over here, all 3 grades of petrol are 10% etoh
1650743;1493685596;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 21:11 deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
1650744;1493686459;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650686 << this is brain-meltingly...
1650745;1493686459;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 19:37 mircea_popescu: the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho
1650746;1493686464;asciilifeform;cheap.
1650747;1493686533;asciilifeform;even if not incl. rents
1650748;1493686600;*;asciilifeform wonders what 'new life's go for nowadays. 8mil?
1650749;1493686648;asciilifeform;that's approx what asciilifeform's threshhold for 'bag of usd large enough to be felt'.
1650750;1493686664;Framedragger;(in fairness, it wasn't 'newlifeomg!', it was 'a buncha things in 1991~2 .lt during bank crisis etc')
1650751;1493686688;*;Framedragger sleeps
1650752;1493686714;asciilifeform;Framedragger: over here in 'free' world , 'bank crisis' dun mean 'things get cheap', it means typically that you lose job/house/etc.
1650753;1493686809;asciilifeform;btw asciilifeform was just now in a dock yard. readers may be enlightened to learn that 8k usd does not even buy a rowboat. y'know, the kind with oars.
1650754;1493687327;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650717 << dun look like any other patch is available, or planned
1650755;1493687327;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 22:37 Framedragger: funny: if one were to follow intel's route of patching firmware, as regards say x220s, lenovo gives update in the form of windows executables
1650756;1493687611;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650713 << again it makes 0 sense to say 'turns out, amt was vulnerable'. it IS A vuln, from day1
1650757;1493687611;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 22:24 Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
1650758;1493687647;asciilifeform;whether lizard hitler alone, or 10,001 scriptkiddie derps, have the key, is immaterial
1650759;1493687697;asciilifeform;is this really a hard concept ??
1650760;1493689470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, 8k buys you like two cars here.
1650761;1493689557;mircea_popescu;also a row boat where you live goes for $200 to $800 depending on model.
1650762;1493689629;mircea_popescu;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Peterborough-Canoe-Natural-Finish-36-Wooden-Handmade-Row-Boat-Model-NEW-/282282237687 << the $200 model.
1650763;1493690950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is more in line with my naive picture.
1650764;1493690985;asciilifeform;tbh i have nfi why the local market is what it is. maybe racing-grade custom shitanium boatz.
1650765;1493691134;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650760 << new?!
1650766;1493691134;a111;Logged on 2017-05-02 01:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, 8k buys you like two cars here.
1650767;1493691152;mircea_popescu;what new, costa rica produces cars now ?
1650768;1493691211;asciilifeform;maybe cuban-style 'lada chassis, new toyota motor'..
1650769;1493691311;asciilifeform;btw pete_dushenski would appreciate the scene : old pickup truck on street, sign 'for sale' : 28k usd.
1650770;1493691356;asciilifeform;nothing, as far as i could tell, remarkable about it
1650771;1493691417;mod6;!!key pete_dushenski
1650772;1493691418;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD.asc
1650773;1493691498;mats;https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr
1650774;1493691524;asciilifeform;mats: see today's logs
1650775;1493691554;mats;ya but that dummy had nothing but insinuations
1650776;1493691580;mats;and claims as to 'our team was looking for hardware backdoors' when the guy's a 'journalist' is dubious at best
1650777;1493691599;mircea_popescu;burned hole, "plox upgrade to new one" business as usual.
1650778;1493691631;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650713
1650779;1493691631;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 22:24 Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
1650780;1493691827;mats;oh
1650781;1493694480;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650704 << over here, all 3 grades of petrol are 10% etoh << aha. i recalled that your swampy corner of the continent was so afflicted. california is even worse iirc.
1650782;1493694480;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 21:11 deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
1650783;1493694539;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650746 << recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641265
1650784;1493694539;a111;Logged on 2017-05-02 00:54 asciilifeform: cheap.
1650785;1493694539;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 01:43 mircea_popescu is more than willing to share his dollar-a-lb bounty with l1 all-comers. i also made myself fruit salad out of [actually ripe] mango, [actually ripe] pineapple, [actually ripe] banmanas, drenched in fresh oj etc. 
1650786;1493694561;pete_dushenski;cr no es muy caro
1650787;1493694590;BingoBoingo;Here ethanol free is available from stations near lakes
1650788;1493694597;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: could you take a picture of said $28k pickup ?
1650789;1493694639;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: so powerboats don't seize up or what ?
1650790;1493696523;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i will, if it turns up again
1650791;1493696532;asciilifeform;iirc was a toyota.
1650792;1493696992;pete_dushenski;nice.
1650793;1493697792;BingoBoingo;Beware toyota trucks from regions subject to winter road salting
1650794;1493697799;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/intel-amt-backdoor-keys-updated-after-initial-trigger-discovered-by-wrong-attackers/ << Qntra - Intel AMT Backdoor Keys Updated After Initial Trigger Discovered By Wrong Attackers
1650795;1493698836;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bCMFv/?raw=true
1650796;1493699069;BingoBoingo;ty
1650797;1493699086;mircea_popescu;:)
1650798;1493701047;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1650799;1493701052;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1420.61, vol: 8440.46864327 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1385.0, vol: 7184.81149 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1558.0, vol: 21317.99741662 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1211.369796, vol: 8118.75810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1410.99, vol: 5414.76249866 | Volume-weighted last average: 1438.87914435
1650800;1493701144;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: so powerboats don't seize up or what ? << Yes
1650801;1493701181;BingoBoingo;You'd be suprised the amount of water "Up to 10% ethanol" can absorb
1650802;1493701247;BingoBoingo;Ethanol free gas also very useful for 2-cycle power equipment because carb'd rather than fuel injected (for now)
1650803;1493702179;BingoBoingo;Sometimes there are weird exceptions to ethanol free lake gas being great for small motors, some of the 4-cycle hondas have trouble with octane numbers over 89 and the ethanol free lake stuff is the premium 91, 93, or 94 octane
1650804;1493721595;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ZX7Fg << in other lulz
1650805;1493721648;asciilifeform;supposedly, 'An FBI translator with a top-secret security clearance traveled to Syria in 2014 and married a key ISIS operative...'
1650806;1493722236;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650758 << (ack, of course!)
1650807;1493722236;a111;Logged on 2017-05-02 01:14 asciilifeform: whether lizard hitler alone, or 10,001 scriptkiddie derps, have the key, is immaterial
1650808;1493723267;Framedragger;re. "non-backdoored" CPUs, i wonder if someone considered ibm power systems (powerpc, linux can run baremetal now): https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/s821lc/index.html
1650809;1493723276;Framedragger;!#s ibm power
1650810;1493723276;a111;4 results for "ibm power", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ibm%20power
1650811;1493723289;Framedragger;^ alf seems to have covered (and dismissed), tho
1650812;1493723302;Framedragger;(claims "fully open" stack / firmware)
1650813;1493723399;Framedragger;HN is like "Ah geez. Time to create a competent chip manufacturer. Anyone got a spare US sized military budget?"
1650814;1493725602;asciilifeform;for fuckssake
1650815;1493725606;asciilifeform;no ibm.
1650816;1493727094;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650813 << hn is copying #trilema, years after the fact, and with the full faith and credit of imbecility lent to the pretense that they are not.
1650817;1493727094;a111;Logged on 2017-05-02 11:09 Framedragger: HN is like "Ah geez. Time to create a competent chip manufacturer. Anyone got a spare US sized military budget?"
1650818;1493727477;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i observed, in old thread (where? not found yet..) that one cheap counter to boobytrapped x86 would be to make an incompatible Gb nic.
1650819;1493727503;mircea_popescu;it's even in the qntra treatment.
1650820;1493727511;*;asciilifeform reads
1650821;1493727547;Framedragger;aha! that'd be something. i mean, still full-on DMA, but yeah, k.
1650822;1493727566;mircea_popescu;Framedragger like in that scene derps love to quote, "what good is a phone mr usg, if you can't talk ?"
1650823;1493727586;asciilifeform;'Whitelist-only networking may help contain the vulnerability, provided of course that it's not implemented on Cisco equipment.' sounded like it was about lan filtration, so not same idea
1650824;1493727590;mircea_popescu;not exactly undoable, either, but not much of a priority as we don't have yet a tmsr internet spec.
1650825;1493727611;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "not on cisco equipment" part == "incompatible nic".
1650826;1493727620;Framedragger;asciilifeform: can also attempt to block specific ports with *external* firewall
1650827;1493727634;mircea_popescu;Framedragger only if the firewall isn't a slut for the same punters.
1650828;1493727639;Framedragger;:)
1650829;1493727645;Framedragger;life is amazing, etc.
1650830;1493727686;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was suggesting a simpler thing than 'incompatible with internet' -- 'incompatible with intel's built in bus diddler logic'
1650831;1493727690;mircea_popescu;meanwhile got this noob discovered eulora, is about to explode inwardly.
1650832;1493727727;asciilifeform;Framedragger: if you think they use distinguishable magic packets, think again
1650833;1493727735;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but just make it incompatible with internet. nic / "router" / whatever item which a) sprays out numbers just like current but b) does all the alf magic routing + encryption + etc.
1650834;1493727741;mircea_popescu;can only use it to talk to same items.
1650835;1493727752;Framedragger;b-b-but they have a list of approved ports and they would only use them approved ports!
1650836;1493727760;asciilifeform;can use anything from sequence # crapola in existing packets, to timing noise
1650837;1493727793;mircea_popescu;can certainly exfiltrate via dns timing etc.
1650838;1493727808;asciilifeform;aha, trivially
1650839;1493727811;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: "mr usg", i lost it
1650840;1493727838;Framedragger;which reminds me, new additions on http://n-gate.com/
1650841;1493727840;*;Framedragger bbl
1650842;1493727949;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally: i fully expect the ~next~ generation of intel fritz to use nic-independent trigger (e.g., magic string in memory)
1650843;1493727989;asciilifeform;it is even possible that 'kaby' (latest chip) already has it. hence the burn.
1650844;1493728002;mircea_popescu;aha.
1650845;1493728023;asciilifeform;let the gnu idiots think 'we fixed', etc
1650846;1493728059;asciilifeform;perhaps they'll even make a show of 'here, go ahead, turn off amt'
1650847;1493728062;mircea_popescu;ie, if the current http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650556 dorks keep at it, by 2025 we'll be buying up the shit of today because it'd be better than the shit of by-then.
1650848;1493728062;a111;Logged on 2017-05-01 18:41 mircea_popescu: count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs.
1650849;1493728070;mircea_popescu;sure as fuck no one in 2009 was willing to buy the 2009 crap.
1650850;1493728128;asciilifeform;'remember when winblows wasn't baked into mask rom?'
1650851;1493728141;mircea_popescu;aha
1650852;1493728161;asciilifeform;'buy a phreedomboot box, it lets you change the icon font'
1650853;1493728228;mircea_popescu;this whole "lets you" verbiage about computers, i remember when it started, too.
1650854;1493728247;mircea_popescu;it started once "romanian language" became a thing, they started hawking keyboards for it and "localized ms office" and bullshit.
1650855;1493728261;mircea_popescu;and a whole generation of fucktards who should have been hung instead got into computers.
1650856;1493728341;mircea_popescu;to them it seemed natural to get a govt job and explore what the computer "lets them" do
1650857;1493728549;mircea_popescu;then 15 years later they're having "a conversation" on ~~facebook~~ about things ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649833 ) and expect to be taken seriously, and for their INCREDIBLY offensive tone to pass as socially acceptable. the romanians of facebook, disgusting crawlies that came out of the eggs laid by the "romanians on ms office" repugnant creepies.
1650858;1493728549;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 12:43 mircea_popescu: aaand in not-really-news : avalance in retezat (romanian mountain) killed a few kids that were european and world record holders in mountain-related items. ro "our democracy" media railing about how the trainer (also father of one of the victims) "forced his two daughters to break record after record while training in EXTREME CONDITIONS!!!1 ONLY TO SATISFY HIS OWN EGOTISM!!1111"
1650859;1493732862;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/155893EEF0434D15E6E2CF042B43183CD419297FC91E695C0E97ADED164255B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1691...3873 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '131.220.159.21 (ssh-rsa key from 131.220.159.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE NW)
1650860;1493732862;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/155893EEF0434D15E6E2CF042B43183CD419297FC91E695C0E97ADED164255B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1433...2427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '131.220.159.21 (ssh-rsa key from 131.220.159.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE NW)
1650861;1493735028;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-april-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), April 2017 Statement
1650862;1493738196;Framedragger;in other news, was checking extant bitcoin (yes, "bitcoin", i hear the scoffing) vps offerings. seems to consist of things like https://libertyvps.net/offshore-hosting which has "offshore" and "our NL datacenter" in same sentence
1650863;1493738471;Framedragger;some kind of list (unchecked): http://cryto.net/~joepie91/bitcoinvps.html
1650864;1493738896;mircea_popescu;words of randos do not have specific meanings.
1650865;1493739101;Framedragger;yesyes, "not in wot" is central nail in coffin against any of these, sure. (nevertheless could be useful for certain isolated efforts, e.g. ip space scanning and so on.)
1650866;1493739106;Framedragger;yesyes, "not in wot" is central nail in coffin against any of these, sure. (nevertheless could be useful for certain isolated efforts, e.g. ip space scanning and so on.)
1650867;1493739122;Framedragger;whoops, dupe
1650868;1493739136;mircea_popescu;you know shinohai had the same problem earlier ?
1650869;1493739158;mircea_popescu;is there some very inept mitm going on ?
1650870;1493739197;Framedragger;i vaguely recall, yes. shinohai you use hashbang, right? fwiw vc's box.cock.li + scaleway (hourly billing) work for vps purposes (but no bitcoin for scaleway)
1650871;1493739232;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: only in the form of air being in the middle between antenna and shitty access point in cafe, in this case heh.
1650872;1493739256;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-02.log.html#t14:44:25 << nothing to recall, it just happened
1650873;1493739256;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-05-02 14:44:25: <shinohai> weird dunno why that posted twice
1650874;1493739268;Framedragger;oh
1650875;1493739280;Framedragger;scary!
1650876;1493739292;Framedragger;(thought it was re vps. hah)
1650877;1493739302;shinohai;yup using hashbang for now, though plans are to move the whole shebang (pun intended) at some point this year.
1650878;1493739326;shinohai;Probably around the time the whoreticulture blog gets stood up.
1650879;1493739348;*;Framedragger not too far off from idea of offering at-irc-fingertips vps to l1. maybe someone is having similar idea, tho? ;)
1650880;1493739360;Framedragger;shinohai: looking forward to that, btw :)
1650881;1493739401;mircea_popescu;well it was sort-of in the logs, at least in general, but it's still a very cool idea very much needed. scriba-based provisioning or what ?
1650882;1493739442;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yes, something like that. same !!v principle. user gets ssh login. billed (if at all) by the minute, or the likes.
1650883;1493739499;Framedragger;there is a question just how much would people use it. of course, best market research is testing the market itself...
1650884;1493739540;mircea_popescu;could I do something like !$mirror <url> 5 so as to get it to spin up 5 separate instances, load url, unpack it and serve ?
1650885;1493739552;shinohai;I'd certainly be more likely to use irc shell from a tmsr Lord than rando docker service ran by SV weirdos
1650886;1493739553;Framedragger;(also, perhaps a more gradual way of "easing into" tmsr-isp?)
1650887;1493739588;mircea_popescu;then we could just maintain static versions of trilema, qntra and anything else tar-gz'd and ready to go.
1650888;1493739618;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: so the url would contain what, static contents for web serving?
1650889;1493739623;Framedragger;and give back live url?
1650890;1493739627;mircea_popescu;yeah, pile of html say.
1650891;1493739666;mircea_popescu;fast and painless mirrorring is certainly a valid application for your irc'd vps,
1650892;1493739706;Framedragger;easiest way of doing this if it were to return a non-dns-poisoned ip, as in, trilema.com/stuff1.tgz => 45.56.78.91/stuff1/
1650893;1493739719;mircea_popescu;sure, ip addressing is fine.
1650894;1493739720;Framedragger;is if*
1650895;1493739738;mircea_popescu;there's really no need for domain names generally, and certainly no actual utility in this application.
1650896;1493739795;mircea_popescu;and this is a bona fide economically useful service, mind you, it'd entirely cut the whole "cloud" business at the knees, seeing how 99% of all the actual value they deliver is ~this, execpt at 100x the financial and 10`000x the administrative cost.
1650897;1493739804;Framedragger;so in this case it'd just be static content hosting, which is minimal on cpu etc.; there could of course also be an option of supplying a (signed, of course) payload, but less clear on definite application.
1650898;1493739812;mircea_popescu;with deedbot payments imminent, it may well take off even
1650899;1493739827;mircea_popescu;Framedragger no. no fucking payload. the web has no business being in state.
1650900;1493739884;shinohai;^
1650901;1493739893;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7wTey/?raw=true
1650902;1493739893;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1650903;1493740014;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: well, while i of course agree in general, i don't agree in particular: i'd certainly find it useful to be able to supply a "curl phuctor stats every 24h, serve here" instruction. or, you know, "submit key", or "comments", or anything else of the sorts.
1650904;1493740019;*;Framedragger moving self to better location
1650905;1493740080;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/02/the-oilers-2017-playoff-run-and-other-municipal-musings-on-the-parking-lot-formerly-known-as-the-city-of-champions/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Oilers’ 2017 Playoff Run and other municipal musings on the parking lot formerly known as the City of Champions.
1650906;1493740191;Framedragger;interested to hear what mircea_popescu thinks re latter, tho ^
1650907;1493740201;mircea_popescu;if you're going to actually build uci, go right ahead. all intel servers are at your disposal.
1650908;1493740231;mircea_popescu;btw, that separate means ~separate~. it's ok to advertise a max you can supply, 3 or 15 or w/e it is.
1650909;1493740254;mircea_popescu;and in other teenage interest items, https://68.media.tumblr.com/909efedec17f394a7c236fcb23b89fa9/tumblr_o3209tAfC81tgdz6ro1_1280.jpg
1650910;1493740311;shinohai;Cookys and milk!
1650911;1493740368;mircea_popescu;with an enduring smile!
1650912;1493740474;trinque;put a sheet on your bed god, and get it off the floor
1650913;1493740525;mircea_popescu;that didn't parse
1650914;1493740564;trinque;she's got a bare mattress with a cat on it, looks like
1650915;1493740657;trinque;that's a paddlin.
1650916;1493740681;mircea_popescu;oh
1650917;1493740703;mircea_popescu;maybe that's how cat beds go in princessstan
1650918;1493740755;shinohai;Perhaps her owner got tired of dragging her out from under the bed and removed the frame to ensure compliance.
1650919;1493744393;mats;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-12#1236371 windows will actually scan memory for this
1650920;1493744393;a111;Logged on 2015-08-12 21:41 ascii_field: 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx file) and in a random
1650921;1493744430;mats;get the right bytes in memory and windows will execute arbitrary PE file
1650922;1493744457;mats;lenovo used it to persist, iirc
1650923;1493744504;mats;(referencing next-gen fritz convo from earlier this morning)
1650924;1493745237;mircea_popescu;lenovo did use it to persist, i recall the scandal.
1650925;1493747214;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/21-co-opens-spam-as-a-service-service/ << Qntra - 21.co Opens "Spam As A Service" Service
1650926;1493747284;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650908 << i assume that here you meant "separate physically", even though the context was a discussion about vps? there could of course be a knob (separate instances, or separate instances on different boxen; the latter attracts a higher cost).
1650927;1493747284;a111;Logged on 2017-05-02 15:50 mircea_popescu: btw, that separate means ~separate~. it's ok to advertise a max you can supply, 3 or 15 or w/e it is.
1650928;1493747316;Framedragger;(costs could almost-equalise at scale, but until then, it'd be more costly i would think.)
1650929;1493747413;mircea_popescu;why would i want 2 instances on the same box/ip ?
1650930;1493747662;Framedragger;IPs would be different.
1650931;1493747713;Framedragger;well, for purposes other than mirroring (CDN'y purposes), it could be useful. e.g. when i had to spin up 13 vps instances at once, i only cared that they had separate (dedicated) resources and IPs
1650932;1493747732;Framedragger;but i can certainly understand the separate-machine constraint for mirroring etc.
1650933;1493747776;Framedragger;it would, however, require having more than one physical box at-the-ready. which is fine and how providers work anyway, but the matter becomes cost-effective only at some degree of scale, then.
1650934;1493747835;Framedragger;unless of course one finds a provider which can provision physical boxes in a matter of minutes programatically, but the whole thing would then be a bit like a reseller-for-bitcoin, no?
1650935;1493747934;Framedragger;(or, becomes cost-effective if users commit to more extended periods of time; i suppose the thing would have to be flexible re. latter, anyway. i may want to spin something up for testing purposes just for the evening; or, i may want the thing for months+ (with expectation for a discount.))
1650936;1493747942;*;Framedragger need to think more
1650937;1493748038;Framedragger;(ideas and merciless criticism very welcome, as always)
1650938;1493748185;mircea_popescu;!!key serje
1650939;1493748185;deedbot;Not registered.
1650940;1493748239;mircea_popescu;not entirely sure why you want to charge per minute necessarily.
1650941;1493748282;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "different ips" in the sense of, "same box, same c block" is somewhat naive. they're not that different.
1650942;1493748399;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Vq5NV4Ens << how rolfr reverses a chip
1650943;1493748407;Framedragger;again, yes i understand, but really depends on application/purpose. being able to assign IPs from different c blocks is (eventually) desirable, but may be too steep in the beginning.
1650944;1493748455;mats;and related wiki, https://project5474.org/index.php
1650945;1493748512;Framedragger;re. per minute, i guess i should reach out to consult first eh - this was borne from a solipsistic "me as a customer" consideration: e.g. i want to test out some trb feature across multiple different instances, i need good i/o and memory; monthly costs would not be trivial (for the purpose at hand), so i wish to be charged on smaller timescales.
1650946;1493748559;Framedragger;the latter may only make business sense at some degree of scale, however (unless the per-minute rate is very high...)
1650947;1493748642;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1650948;1493748698;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i mean, when you're thinking of spinning up those mirrors, you (i now suppose) think in terms of months/weeks, not days or hours or minutes, hm. yeah, i see.
1650949;1493748712;mircea_popescu;!~calc 24 * 60
1650950;1493748714;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 24 * 60 = 1440
1650951;1493748738;mircea_popescu;there's three degrees of magnitude between the day and the minute. is that your granularity ?
1650952;1493748772;mircea_popescu;but sure, day works, hour works, i have nfi who would not be interested in a per hour deal because he wants per minute!!11
1650953;1493748782;Framedragger;i was thinking, minute / hour / day (with discounts at each level), which is less coarse in terms of "jumps"
1650954;1493748791;Framedragger;yeah.
1650955;1493748802;mircea_popescu;i guess. really why are you painting this bike shed ?
1650956;1493748854;Framedragger;well, i recall asciilifeform's "nearlyfreespeech" hosting provider which boasts are "very honest" resource cost scheme, something to the degree of seconds, with loyalty (depending on total resource usage) discounts being applied every second (or minute, too) :D but that can be a bit childish.
1650957;1493748869;Framedragger;yeah i need to avoid them sheds.
1650958;1493748870;mircea_popescu;it's outright infantile.
1650959;1493748915;Framedragger;just realised that NFS is nigh-unusable for very-fixed-cost "just tell me how much it'll cost" company/project budgets, lol
1650960;1493748936;Framedragger;s/boasts are/boasts a/
1650961;1493748967;Framedragger;myeah.
1650962;1493749034;mircea_popescu;but it occurs to me cs weenie oriented hookers totally should have a per-second fee scheme.
1650963;1493749040;mircea_popescu;it'd serve the customer base much better.
1650964;1493749108;Framedragger;lol, burn, yah.
1650965;1493749138;mircea_popescu;ideally the way this goes, you call the agency, girl shows up, you spend ten minutes going through legal red tape / reading paperwork boilerplate / filling consent forms whatever. then you pump her a little, there's various gizmos and gadgets measuring things, then you play a little board game on the basis of the measurements for say 20 minutes or so.
1650966;1493749167;mircea_popescu;then you win and your 40 minute lunch break is almost over, everyone's very happy and can go on with their life.
1650967;1493749255;Framedragger;you may have just described japan's "comfort boy/girl" / "girlfriend experience" service offerings (mixed with their "hourly billing" airport sleeping-capsules)
1650968;1493749267;mircea_popescu;i bet you right now there's thousands of depressed dudes in ugly tshirts scattered all over silicon valley who would call a hooker if only a) half hour weren't the shortest quanta available and b) they were petrified they've got no way to amuse a girl for a WHOLE half hour, even if she were slightly retarded.\
1650969;1493749274;Framedragger;actually, their airport hotels should have this. "bob, file a patent!"
1650970;1493749363;trinque;Framedragger do you launder your workday sins in here or what
1650971;1493749371;trinque;"no really VPS is a thing"
1650972;1493749397;Framedragger;i thought there may be a demand for vps. multiple parties indicated such, including mircea_popescu.
1650973;1493749407;Framedragger;how it is done -- another matter. sorry if too much noise.
1650974;1493749413;trinque;I'm just giving you shit.
1650975;1493749439;trinque;the mirrors thing benefits how from virtualization?
1650976;1493749451;Framedragger;damn i forgot the secret sauce, i'll maintain deedbot's l1 mappings in mongo cluster
1650977;1493749464;mircea_popescu;!!key serje
1650978;1493749465;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6D551D986AA33802D881923520721E1D71B83DB9.asc
1650979;1493749475;trinque;sounds like a wget -R and perhaps rsync job, at the most
1650980;1493749510;Framedragger;trinque: does not require a full machine, cheaper. just that. unless there is an expectation that not only should multiple mirrors of same tarball be on different machines, but that also no two different (from different users, say) tarballs should be hosted on same machine.
1650981;1493749515;Framedragger;if latter constraint, too - then, yeah, meh.
1650982;1493749544;trinque;cheaper how
1650983;1493749551;Framedragger;ah, you mean in the sense that no need to run separate linux, even. sure, maybe
1650984;1493749573;Framedragger;trinque: multiple mirrors (from say different user) can run on same machine. vs. "whole machine dedicated to one mirror"
1650985;1493749574;trinque;I am currently paying some guy in the midwest a grand total of 32 bezzlebucks a month for two boxes that would trounce any VM
1650986;1493749596;trinque;what the fuck those are called directories
1650987;1493749599;trinque;you need a kernel per?
1650988;1493749613;trinque;and some http server to fart 'em out a pipe
1650989;1493749619;Framedragger;nb, do you mind if i ask how much traffic (unless unmetered) you get and whether this is colo (in which case, appreciation costs, too)
1650990;1493749630;trinque;10tb
1650991;1493749632;trinque;per box
1650992;1493749636;Framedragger;nb...
1650993;1493749647;trinque;!#s joe's datacenter
1650994;1493749647;a111;5 results for "joe's datacenter", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=joe%27s%20datacenter
1650995;1493749652;Framedragger;coolio
1650996;1493749655;trinque;iirc mod6 or somebody may have picked one up
1650997;1493749660;Framedragger;yeah i remember you mentioning the provider before, cool
1650998;1493749703;Framedragger;i'd rather not host in the u.s., but at the same time i'm not convinced just *how* much actual +ev does a "non-nato" provider give
1650999;1493749728;mircea_popescu;so much slide.
1651000;1493749744;Framedragger;sliding the point? sorry, no intention to do that. i see trinque's point, sure
1651001;1493749756;trinque;Framedragger: the datapoint I gave is in re: "VPS is a thing" not "here host in usglandia"
1651002;1493749765;Framedragger;yeah, okay.
1651003;1493749770;trinque;go a couple generations of hardware back and should be cheap cheap
1651004;1493749780;mircea_popescu;Framedragger how do you go from " a grand total of 32 bezzlebucks" to "e i'm not convinced just *how* much actual +ev does a "non-nato" provider give" ?
1651005;1493749784;trinque;and it'll still kill any VM
1651006;1493749787;mircea_popescu;i mean other than deliberately trying to be annoying.
1651007;1493749794;*;Framedragger pays ~24-30eur/mo. per 16 gb ecc ram xeon box, so should know better
1651008;1493749833;trinque;it'd be worthwhile to reflect on why "no really what I have to do to pay rent has a future"
1651009;1493749838;Framedragger;because it may be more than $32 if it's somewhere else but i MYSELF DEFEAT THIS POINT sorry damnit.
1651010;1493749857;trinque;maybe your way of paying rent has no future. better plan ahead I guess
1651011;1493749861;trinque;just like anybody
1651012;1493749898;Framedragger;yeah. ftr i do not survive or profit from vps. it can be useful sometimes (such as FOR INSTANCE for scanning the damn ipv4, overnight, and not paying for whole month, or for whole box.)
1651013;1493749910;trinque;so then broaden the category to "shit I read on hackernews"
1651014;1493749916;trinque;if not vps
1651015;1493749925;Framedragger;argh
1651016;1493749936;Framedragger;well, i don't have good track record here, so eh
1651017;1493749956;Framedragger;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p ^ hooker for geeks in lisp, biznis idea
1651018;1493749956;jhvh1;Framedragger: The operation succeeded.
1651019;1493750001;trinque;anyhow. in other "cheap computers > vps", the pcengines apu2 is now shipping.
1651020;1493750012;*;trinque has one in hand, shall post writeup soon
1651021;1493750023;trinque;making a repeatable gentoo recipe for the fucker
1651022;1493750119;shinohai;Anyone doing bizness involving hookers now owes Baron Titsbare slut tax. >.>
1651023;1493750796;ben_vulpes;dekulakization proceeds apace: http://nwexaminer.com/1393-2
1651024;1493750919;ben_vulpes;historic neighborhood associations responsible for such gems as colonial heights, the entire nw urban area, buckman etc, are now being politely shown the door by "the rent is too damn high"/ex bookstore owner turned city commissioner chloe eudalay in preference to ethnic groups
1651025;1493750934;mircea_popescu;heh
1651026;1493750996;trinque;http://media.shelf-awareness.com/theshelf/2016EditContent/Chloe_Eudaly_102316.jpg << they have a look
1651027;1493751016;ben_vulpes;minimum 45 degree angle
1651028;1493751020;mircea_popescu;the only question being, are you going to burn down city hall / hang chloe by her fallopian tubes ?
1651029;1493751022;mircea_popescu;because if not...
1651030;1493751040;ben_vulpes;no i'm leaving, you think i want anything from this shithole?
1651031;1493751046;ben_vulpes;arts tax? are you kidding me?
1651032;1493751051;*;trinque chants h-town
1651033;1493751055;ben_vulpes;i already left, mircea_popescu.
1651034;1493751066;ben_vulpes;next step is to cross state lines and deprive them of my bezzlars as well.
1651035;1493751083;mircea_popescu;cross state lines into brazil, while at it.
1651036;1493751084;mats;http://blog.quarkslab.com/exploiting-ms16-145-ms-edge-typedarraysort-use-after-free-cve-2016-7288.html neat
1651037;1493751100;ben_vulpes;tulum looks fine
1651038;1493751107;mircea_popescu;mats ahaha
1651039;1493751919;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how many trips in two seater does it take to evacuate fambly ?
1651040;1493751953;ben_vulpes;why two seater?
1651041;1493751960;mircea_popescu;i thought you drove some sporty thing
1651042;1493751970;ben_vulpes;yeah there's one of those in the library
1651043;1493751988;ben_vulpes;also have sedan and microtruck
1651044;1493751992;mircea_popescu;ah. and bike!
1651045;1493751999;ben_vulpes;real question is how many fambly members it takes to evacuate fleet
1651046;1493752004;mircea_popescu;lel
1651047;1493752012;mircea_popescu;that's an admiralble problem to have.
1651048;1493752054;ben_vulpes;everyone knows how to work a manual transmission too.
1651049;1493752087;Framedragger;hah, u.s., where knowing how to handle stick is not implied by knowing how to drive :D
1651050;1493752111;ben_vulpes;where having a penis does not make you male either
1651051;1493752147;ben_vulpes;magic land of endocrine disruptors in the water table
1651052;1493752169;mircea_popescu;does microtruck have double clutch ?
1651053;1493752206;ben_vulpes;lol i wish
1651054;1493752223;ben_vulpes;microtruck does not typically need ultra wide gearing
1651055;1493752255;ben_vulpes;but shit damn some day i am going to get back behind the wheel of a unimog
1651056;1493752422;mircea_popescu;pretty cool looking trucks yeah.
1651057;1493752426;mircea_popescu;daimler was it
1651058;1493752485;ben_vulpes;had one of those and one even larger at $summercamp
1651059;1493752548;ben_vulpes;aww, $summercamp
1651060;1493752549;*;ben_vulpes gets misty
1651061;1493752633;Framedragger;!#s hetzner
1651062;1493752633;a111;40 results for "hetzner", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hetzner
1651063;1493752646;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: $summercamp as in in school?
1651064;1493752654;Framedragger;(schooltimes, or adulttimes)
1651065;1493752693;shinohai;https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-blames-russian-hackers-and-comey-for-2016-election-loss/2017/05/02/e62fef72-2f60-11e7-8674-437ddb6e813e_story.html
1651066;1493752707;shinohai;DEM GODDAMNED RUSSIAN HAX0RS!!!
1651067;1493752807;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: my parents packed the children of my generation off to desolate islands during the summer to kill things, camp, boat around the archipelago, climb mountains, break each other's fingers etc under the supervision of other, slightly older children and a smattering of 'adults' responsible for taxes and calling medevac from time to time
1651068;1493752850;ben_vulpes;it's a thing. summer camp.
1651069;1493752884;Framedragger;so the films tell me! but this particular description is nostalgia-inducing (where nostalgia may not even have a reference, in my case/context). sounds amazing.
1651070;1493752886;ben_vulpes;oh perhaps you are asking if i meant burning man?
1651071;1493752933;Framedragger;haha :D no. i guess there is that, too. it got even more expensive as of late, didn't it
1651072;1493752961;mircea_popescu;gotta pay for all the special accomodation for dickless bureaucrats trying to pick the peon ranks for fuckable slavegirls while the ac is going full blast.
1651073;1493753033;Framedragger;there must be a more efficient means of doing that... but i guess it needs to sell them the story of "one with the universe" and ecology, too, due to self-deception
1651074;1493753044;Framedragger;administrative overhead!
1651075;1493753075;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the problem is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648346
1651076;1493753075;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 02:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is, the problem with it is that 10% or less of the payola is paid out as bezzle usd ; the remaineder 90% or more is paid out as pats on the back, empty and baseless congratulatory verbiage and generally speaking psychotronic noise.
1651077;1493753107;mircea_popescu;if they actually understood their place in the world somewhat closer to reality, there could be. but as it is they overvalue themselves to such a degree, people are stuck paying for it with pretense.
1651078;1493753179;mircea_popescu;hence all the ~beat them~ references. the only way for it to be more efficient is shedding a healthy 99.9% of the inflation of self worth going around.
1651079;1493753200;Framedragger;(this relates in my had to shinohai's WP article, hillary blaiming russian hackers for election loss. loootsa collateral damage from inflated self-valuation...)
1651080;1493753220;Framedragger;right right, the inflation is cumulative so to speak, and permeates to many places.
1651081;1493753277;shinohai;Hillary lost long before Russian hackers were ever even finished doing recon, tbh
1651082;1493753916;Framedragger;trinque et al.: thanks for (as always) righting me. i have a shitty follow-up that is still bugging me. here it is, condensed: i think there is a service niche (again: i am in no way vested/involved as of now) for offering a shell with limited resources and (say) a bouncer (like hashbang.sh), for "dirt cheap".
1651083;1493753923;Framedragger;you may not use it yourself because, barf, (1) "just get a real thing already", and (2) "i have more things to host, so why should i pay for this AND that, separately". but for someone who only needs bouncer and maybe-sometimes-ssh (writing small bot in vim, connecting it to irc, etc.), it makes sense to pay very-little for a very-little-thing.
1651084;1493753925;Framedragger; it's ~petty in terms of business/margin/etc., but as a tmsr service, it may be useful to have, for some people. can you see how vps (in this fashion) may remain part of world for at least i dunno several more years? apologies if this line of reasoning totes ruins your day.
1651085;1493753964;mircea_popescu;only way to find out is to put it online and see
1651086;1493754046;Framedragger;same. (it's not like i'd quit $job if this is done anyway, so even by trinque's line of reasoning, won't go homeless in 6 months!1)
1651087;1493754074;Framedragger;anyway, material for $blog, etc.
1651088;1493754091;trinque;gonna have to explain to me wtf conflates "I get a weechat and shell" with "need massive shitstack of xen/kvm/strange"
1651089;1493754109;mircea_popescu;cuz he wants to put 500 weechats in one box
1651090;1493754117;Framedragger;not 500, but yeah, stack 'em.
1651091;1493754135;trinque;sure, and what
1651092;1493754136;Framedragger;with no implication that "no you get unique box" in service offering.
1651093;1493754149;trinque;you know people sold shells before this virtualization thing existed
1651094;1493754171;Framedragger;trinque: i'm not constructing a technological argument. i'm saying, actual cost would be dirt cheap, hence for customer it would be dirt cheap.
1651095;1493754179;Framedragger;hmm, lol, yeah, true.
1651096;1493754193;trinque;what the hell does "now I have 300 kernels" in memory buy you but attack space
1651097;1493754205;Framedragger;oh aha, misunderstanding of term (i was the one to abuse it). for me "vps" meant any kind of stack-i-zation of this kind, not necessarily xen/etc.
1651098;1493754223;trinque;how about... users
1651099;1493754230;trinque;and no pretense that they are safe from each other
1651100;1493754235;*;Framedragger opens unix manual, "oh"
1651101;1493754239;Framedragger;hm, yeah.
1651102;1493754274;Framedragger;but yes good point, one needs to carefully think what exactly is to be offered, and then "parallelize" on those exact things, not "generic containers".
1651103;1493754278;trinque;either user separation exists or doesn't, and if doesn't, explain to me how "but yeah and then we take a massive dump where had tiny dried turd" and this is better
1651104;1493754303;mircea_popescu;rowhammer included by reference
1651105;1493754341;Framedragger;i 100% concede, why pretend and bloat. picture wasn't sure in my head before, "vps but uhh more light", maybe it's just unix users lol. damn.
1651106;1493754385;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with users.
1651107;1493754434;Framedragger;was it hashbang or sth that even set you up with default tmux arrangement where weechat was running with support irc channel open. looked quite neat
1651108;1493754452;Framedragger;(maybe too much hand-holding, but anyway.)
1651109;1493754472;Framedragger;right, thanks, lol.
1651110;1493756400;shinohai;Hashbang irc blows because forced ssl
1651111;1493756576;Framedragger;shinohai: jhvh1 is also on hashbang, right? how does hashbang force ssl for *that* one, i wonder? by whitelisting irc ssl port only?
1651112;1493756646;shinohai;No, I mean their *own* irc server (and the phree webspace) forces it. But you are welcome to run other services as you please.
1651113;1493756736;shinohai;jhvh1 almost didn't live there because they did python "upgrade" to 3 and removed 2.7 .... after much bitching and a few bitcents of admin greasing I got it back.
1651114;1493756817;shinohai;( A long time ago, hashbang was actually a gentoo thing but was then debianized by powers that be )
1651115;1493756889;Framedragger;ahh, i see! k
1651116;1493756897;Framedragger;nice work re greasing!
1651117;1493756921;Framedragger;ridoinculous that it needs doing in the first place of course :(
1651118;1493757105;shinohai;I'm unsure why I even started using the place, besides knowing a person or two there. I always liked sdf better for my shell needs. They only recently started accepting Bitcoin for memberships so I need to renew again, for life this time.
1651119;1493758613;shinohai;BWAHAHAHA an FBI translator defected and traveled to Syria to marry the ISIS recruiter she was investigating.
1651120;1493758618;shinohai;DEEP COVER
1651121;1493758682;ben_vulpes;and only got two years when she got home
1651122;1493758751;ben_vulpes;(because of course she came screaming back)
1651123;1493759128;shinohai;"German rapper turned IS recruiter" <<< lulzy
1651124;1493759925;mircea_popescu;heh
1651125;1493760946;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646948 << just ftr, it does appear that they do, and multiple (not just using "our dc / branded as ovh", but actually theirs), https://www.ovh.co.uk/aboutus/datacentres.xml (just for posterity)
1651126;1493760946;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 17:32 mircea_popescu: last i checked ovh did not own the dcs.
1651127;1493764248;mircea_popescu;integrated eh ?
1651128;1493764275;mircea_popescu;look at that, simplified corporation with a quarter billion in debts at a 1bn valuation and 300mn revenue.
1651129;1493764406;Framedragger;nb if revenue steadily rising (they're opening a dc in .uk and a dc in .pl, lotsa investment)? :)
1651130;1493764426;Framedragger;(i think lots of .fr co's are "simplified corporations"?)
1651131;1493764536;shinohai;https://twitter.com/ProtonMail/status/859486173558788096   <<< Am monitoring, will Qntra if juicy enuf
1651132;1493764574;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: since you were reading wikipedia anyway, a somewhat-curious read from there, https://forum.ovh.ie/showthread.php/913-Following-the-wikileaks-case (original link now gone/"archived")
1651133;1493764713;mircea_popescu;i was actually reading teh morning star but ok.
1651134;1493764748;Framedragger;whoops sorry, thought i'd stab in dark as that info was on wiki in that order. morning star prolly just copypasted from it. or vice versa, hard to tell these days
1651135;1493764805;mircea_popescu;well, inasmuch as it's a factual matter...
1651136;1493764874;Framedragger;i wonder how exact those revenue figures are, if it's a "simplified corp" (and not publicly traded it seems), but yeah guess so
1651137;1493764915;Framedragger;or hm, it has stock price, so unsure.
1651138;1493764939;mircea_popescu;french space is as per usual a mess.
1651139;1493765049;Framedragger;a friend needed bank account for a french job. got assigned "personal assistant" at bank. now assistant asks to meet every $x weeks, they go for coffee or something. which is maybe great in HNWI world, but she's not "HNW" and just has a normal not-high-paying job. ahh the french
1651140;1493765070;mircea_popescu;is she hot ?
1651141;1493765088;Framedragger;yeah, quite. hah, i see
1651142;1493765103;mircea_popescu;so you take hot girl out for coffee every few weeks. that such a horrid fate ?
1651143;1493765143;Framedragger;not at all, i guess i'm just used to cold and person-less banking (which i actually enjoy tyvm), but yeah i see
1651144;1493765149;Framedragger;can be nice.
1651145;1493765201;mircea_popescu;gotta cover the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1651075 somehow.
1651146;1493765201;a111;Logged on 2017-05-02 19:24 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648346
1651147;1493765564;BingoBoingo;"Long considered the pillar of citizen input for city policy-making, neighborhood associations now seem to take a back seat to groups based on racial and cultural identity, as well as to issue-based groups." << Nice, Portland is inviting the Klan back to the table
1651148;1493766085;BingoBoingo;"especially in light of what’s going on politically across the nation under President Trump." << Then why is the boss hogplanet standing in front on the Trump train? They don't call it a "cattle catcher" without reason
1651149;1493766330;BingoBoingo;"A bookstore owner, self-identified queer person and single mom with a disabled son, Eudaly campaigned heavily on better protections for renters and some form of rent control. The 46-year-old gained momentum as months went on, striking a chord..." << With the City's many other femayo lardbarges on the wrong side of the tracks
1651150;1493766416;mircea_popescu;hey, they got time and aren't easily deterred.
1651151;1493766423;mircea_popescu;in fact, need fork lift to de-terre
1651152;1493766474;BingoBoingo;Why not just blockade metformin and insulin going in to portland?
1651153;1493766692;ben_vulpes;why bother, whole place is going to collapse under its own weight and its dependent poor
1651154;1493766717;ben_vulpes;or sink into the quagmire of flood washout it was built upon come the first tremor of any note
1651155;1493766819;ben_vulpes;metformin and insulin must be free!
1651156;1493766974;BingoBoingo;Wait, you have floods too? The Kaskaskia River is out of its banks and wrecking the shit out of some corn fields
1651157;1493767057;BingoBoingo;Along with Shoal Creek, Beaucoup creek, and Big Muddy River(Not to be confused with the Mississippi river)
1651158;1493767169;ben_vulpes;this'd have been a few tens of thousands of years ago but yes
1651159;1493767189;BingoBoingo;In other recent events: "On Sunday morning, a culvert collapsed underneath the front parking lot of Dunkin’ Donuts and Subway on Rendleman Road in Carbondale, causing the entire lot to sink."
1651160;1493767235;mircea_popescu;since Framedragger got the whole thing going : here's a fine example of "color revolution" material, https://litere.uvt.ro/publicatii/BAS/pdf/no/bas_2005.pdf
1651161;1493767244;mircea_popescu;i expect asciilifeform and no one else would well enjoy it.
1651162;1493767316;Framedragger;wait what is this? :D also 'A Hoax of Hate: Henry Ford and "The International Jew"' ahaha
1651163;1493767355;mircea_popescu;Framedragger a decade ago, some dorks got some money together paid some english speakers to mock romanians' efforts at translating shakespeare, and everything else.
1651164;1493767372;Framedragger;hahahahaaha
1651165;1493767394;mircea_popescu;the mockery itself was not bad, notwithstanding the sad situation of the dorks somewhat in the vein of you know, that fat annoying kid with a hot older sister. "why should i wash, have you seen the boobs on Jane ?!?!"
1651166;1493767470;mircea_popescu;it's a very good catechism of the thing, really. honest toil and honest cunning. very square jawed.
1651167;1493767501;mircea_popescu;besides, who even knows the ancient hick-hock joke anymore ?
1651168;1493767518;mircea_popescu;you'd have to be mp, and to have read at oxford before trafalgar, to know such things.
1651169;1493767686;Framedragger;by following this conjunction and assuming continuity of identity, we trivially deduce mp to be over 200 years old
1651170;1493767707;mircea_popescu;mp is not very sure how old he is.
1651171;1493767731;Framedragger;it's the usual case with self-referential mp-complete systems
1651172;1493767875;BingoBoingo;MP is 8
1651173;1493767885;mircea_popescu;and what is this.
1651174;1493767913;BingoBoingo;You can tell from the pixels!
1651175;1493769993;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1651176;1493775831;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1651177;1493775836;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1464.38, vol: 9180.20443000 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1405.0, vol: 6992.17556 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1583.9, vol: 16774.8043119 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1246.99855, vol: 10465.64550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1474.974, vol: 5285.85252517 | Volume-weighted last average: 1451.45748104
1651178;1493782449;mod6;evenin'
1651179;1493782507;ben_vulpes;heya
1651180;1493782544;mod6;how goes, Sir?
1651181;1493782684;ben_vulpes;pretty damn well, i gotta say
1651182;1493782746;ben_vulpes;plants are growin, babies are babblin, babes are beautiful, my plate is full of things to do, and we're supposed to get 2 solid days of over-eighty weather
1651183;1493782766;mod6;nice!
1651184;1493782777;mod6;pretty swell disposition dear sir.
1651185;1493782874;ben_vulpes;zero room to complain
1651186;1493782879;ben_vulpes;oh wait
1651187;1493782888;mod6;haha
1651188;1493782891;ben_vulpes;my breakfast burrito was slightly off, and my stomach's been gurgling all day
1651189;1493782902;ben_vulpes;there i found something to complain about
1651190;1493782905;ben_vulpes;*phew*
1651191;1493782909;mod6;got the mcgurgles?
1651192;1493782965;ben_vulpes;well the asparagus and chicken seems to have smoothed everything out, so i guess i can't even really complain about present circumstances!
1651193;1493782975;mod6;werd.
1651194;1493782994;ben_vulpes;btw girl does stellar asparagus; they're in season and big enough they can both steam on the inside and crisp up on the outside.
1651195;1493783023;ben_vulpes;and yourself?
1651196;1493783089;mod6;ah, well, was my mom's birthday today.  so tough.  but other than that...
1651197;1493783118;mod6;things are looking up.  weather is getting nicer.
1651198;1493783157;mod6;i'm pretty excited about tmsr~ / trb/trbi things upcoming.
1651199;1493783358;ben_vulpes;seems as though there is some "fun" to be had with ada
1651200;1493783413;*;ben_vulpes still sojurning through cpp swamps
1651201;1493783437;ben_vulpes;wrong word; wading more appropriate.
1651202;1493783491;mod6;yeah, it's a swamp
1651203;1493783530;mod6;im starting to get into ada things... but i have a lot of problems with `gnatmake`, not sure exactly why.
1651204;1493783541;mod6;but chalking it up to I don't know what I'm doing quite yet.
1651205;1493783574;mod6;anyway, stan's ffa is exciting to read through.
1651206;1493783582;mod6;i can't honestly get it to compile though.
1651207;1493783596;mod6;so im doing something idiotic im sure.
1651208;1493783871;mod6;anyway, seems a common theme with me and ada.  starting to wonder if my compiler version is fubar or someweird shit.
1651209;1493783895;mod6;like, simple things such as examples and such, tons of barfing.
1651210;1493783905;mod6;*shrug*
1651211;1493784028;mod6;i'll keep working on it, might be an env related thing.
1651212;1493786679;mircea_popescu;mod6 try on a vps or something standard ? just to get a comparison point ?
1651213;1493786749;mircea_popescu;in other meanwhiles, http://68.media.tumblr.com/065c29f21ca1136b25c325a67b81696a/tumblr_o1syt4y8Ze1uycyh2o1_500.gif
1651214;1493787306;BingoBoingo;Talk about a shocker!
1651215;1493787334;mircea_popescu;mass innervation, she just arcs.
1651216;1493787581;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7550
1651217;1493787859;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7575&pr=1
1651218;1493788095;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7573&pr=1
1651219;1493788114;mircea_popescu;can't say i can argue with his "not even human".
1651220;1493788488;mod6;mircea_popescu: yah, will report back after i try some diff envs. etc.  thx!
1651221;1493788541;mircea_popescu;could be just some random env stupidity, which from experience can eat a dozen dev hours for entirely n ogood reason. "nobody'd have thought of that"
1651222;1493805632;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/move-bundles-to-container-when-training/ << Daniel P. Barron - Move Bundles to Container When Training
1651223;1493815191;mircea_popescu;aaand in the random relulz of today, http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/
1651224;1493815779;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform
1651225;1493815779;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1651226;1493815786;asciilifeform;ty
1651227;1493815797;mircea_popescu;sure.
1651228;1493815814;asciilifeform;http://www.randomsanity.org << faux phuctor -- by, apparently, no less than gavin.
1651229;1493815842;*;asciilifeform spent good chunk of yesterday at sea
1651230;1493815844;mircea_popescu;"Get an array of 64 bytes from whatever source of cryptographically-secure randomness you are using. Encode them as hex, and make a REST query to the randomsanity service. The service will return ‘true’ if it those bytes look random and nobody else has submitted the same stream of bytes; otherwise it will return ‘false’."
1651231;1493815846;mircea_popescu;aaaahahahaha
1651232;1493815854;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1651233;1493815863;mircea_popescu;holy shit. how can the doofus be this fucking stupid.
1651234;1493815912;mircea_popescu;o look, " luke macken has created a systemd startup script"
1651235;1493815955;mircea_popescu;he's going to tell you if your bits are random!!! because randomnesity is a property of the actual bits. this is sanity nao.
1651236;1493816044;shinohai;omfg this"Random Sanity" thing is too rich.
1651237;1493816080;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2017 Statement
1651238;1493816167;mircea_popescu;im qntraing,
1651239;1493816381;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: just curious, how are there "parallels with BitBet's misadventures last year about this time"? the "dead recokining" accounting standard?
1651240;1493816500;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WpkQY/?raw=true
1651241;1493816553;mircea_popescu;Framedragger bitbet ended up short ~same btc, idiot chorus went "well since mp happens to be doing the accounting for it, and he's rich anyway, he should make whole our delusions as how the world works. because we have parenting issues from a bad childhood and also are so fucking speshul."
1651242;1493816622;mircea_popescu;mp then told them where to stick it, they're STILL struggling to digest the matter, a year later.
1651243;1493816648;mircea_popescu;and they will continue to, for the indefinite future, hide behind "oh, i can't say fuckgoats and THAT is why my brain doesn't work -- it's my principles!!1"
1651244;1493817000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: strategy of the 'random' thing is ~same as usual -- make an idiocy to 'replace' an inconvenient genuine thing
1651245;1493817024;asciilifeform;plan being, 'everyone' will remember the turd, not the victim
1651246;1493817070;*;shinohai is genuinely stunned as to why anyone would believe *anything* Gavin has to say on the subject of cryptography after Hoaxtoshi.
1651247;1493817071;mircea_popescu;nevermind that if mp does the accounting then the accounting is done and if he does not IT IS NOT DONE!!! no matter fucking what! what was the response to mp showing up in 2012 and showing the tardstalk crowd how to do the accountin g ? they didn't start doing accounting, they STOPPED it altogether. no more reports now, were all the rage back then but now it's no longer "something new to say", as discussed in the logs.
1651248;1493817080;asciilifeform;gavinphuctor will be the one discussed by 'experts' at rubber chicken confs, to arse technica, etc.
1651249;1493817093;mircea_popescu;and if mp organises a conference there's going to be a conference and if he does not there's not going to be one and if we need an isp how about mp makes it and so on and so forth up the fucking wall.
1651250;1493817115;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing wrong with that, either.
1651251;1493817142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ours is not an age of heroes, no.
1651252;1493817148;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it is infantilism, through and through. "the only people who can do things are the parents, and we're not parents. the only thing we the children do is talk shit about mom's pie."
1651253;1493817157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nevermind heroes.
1651254;1493817255;asciilifeform;and lol , mircea_popescu's lament is ~exactly asciilifeform's ~yearly 'when i stop writing trb fixes, they stop getting written'...
1651255;1493817258;mircea_popescu;to quote the true avatars of this "our democracy" retardation, "we could build a cabin like that!" "well... not us. but two men could."
1651256;1493817272;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is not a lament.
1651257;1493817452;Framedragger;yes, infantilism, and a general pattern, but it wasn't just "accounting" back then, it was mp billing multiple spends as "cartel research", and other shareholder disagreeing with this. but anyway, after actually reviewing logs, my interim conclusion is "forest is deep, and don't sign a zero asset contract framedragger"
1651258;1493817454;mircea_popescu;the point is that this nonsensical construct where "oh, we'll avoid having our balloon worldview pricked by not doing anything -- hey, this guy is doing something, how come he can't give less of a shit about all the pricks we fear ?!?!" is wholly psychogenic. i get that the man-child abomination really truly fears the imaginary pricks he perceives to exist. but it can't be allowed to stand, this notion, that his nonsense is s
1651259;1493817454;mircea_popescu;omehow real.
1651260;1493817518;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it's always going to be "something else".
1651261;1493817561;mircea_popescu;but that something else is always going to be the same exact thing -- the realisation that the world as dreamed is not the world as is, and the incapacity of the child to metabolize this fact.
1651262;1493817590;mircea_popescu;the whole rota debacle -- exactly the same thing, as well. "oh, but that was something else". no, not really.
1651263;1493817592;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform
1651264;1493817593;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1651265;1493817663;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651261 << i'm not disagreeing, but am lol'ing at the fact that the "other side" would probably say the exact same thing. "delusionary worldview"
1651266;1493817663;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 13:19 mircea_popescu: but that something else is always going to be the same exact thing -- the realisation that the world as dreamed is not the world as is, and the incapacity of the child to metabolize this fact.
1651267;1493817676;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1651268;1493817706;mircea_popescu;that's, after all, the principal tool of neoteny. "all opinions are just opinions and bla bla". you ever read the ars digita bit ?
1651269;1493817767;Framedragger;well no, they'd actually say that there is an objective worldview. it's just that the haecceity (ha) pointers towards "this is objective" are inverse as it were
1651270;1493817779;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i don't believe i have
1651271;1493817820;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/olupY#selection-187.1-189.403 fine bit re this whole relativism bullshit.
1651272;1493817839;mircea_popescu;one of the first large companies to be sunk by "other side" nonsense.
1651273;1493817957;mircea_popescu;(the difference between mp and pg being that mp is not a dodo bird. pg meanwhile -- deleted the item from his own site. how about that, to lose a company is one thing, but to lose THE HAVING LOST IT ?!?! the actual part of your own personal history ? fuck me sideways, these idiots.)
1651274;1493817968;Framedragger;nice piece, yeah
1651275;1493817995;mircea_popescu;worth a read, certainly.
1651276;1493818005;Framedragger;(nice quoted bit, too, i see the relation, i don't agree that bitbet can be modelled as "just opinions", but w/e)
1651277;1493818017;mircea_popescu;somehow even more credible in having been disavowed by its original author. people with constructed negative credibility, how about that!
1651278;1493818036;Framedragger;hah.
1651279;1493818037;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what do you mean you don't agree, you just did it ?
1651280;1493818152;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651278 << there's an absolutely phenomenal scene in jackie brown (the tarantino movie) in which nigga explains "you can't trust natalie, but you can always trust natalie to be natalie." he entirely speaks of the whole dreamer generation, white cocksucker of the male or female persuasion indifferently. dodo bird goes "dodo", reliably.
1651281;1493818152;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 13:27 Framedragger: hah.
1651282;1493818199;Framedragger;i actually vaguely remember. is that also where guy shoots girl towards the end because she was being bitchy? :D
1651283;1493818206;mircea_popescu;yep.
1651284;1493818208;Framedragger;nice
1651285;1493818219;mircea_popescu;he doesn't shot her because SHE was being bitchy.
1651286;1493818227;mircea_popescu;and in general - nobody will care about you enough to shoot you for you.
1651287;1493818232;mircea_popescu;he shoots her because he was being insecure.
1651288;1493818330;Framedragger;aha!
1651289;1493818333;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i will give one example. about a year ago, there was a discussion with sturles about mempool and the whole zero fee tx clusterfuck. at some point later on, you said that (can't find quote, paraphrasing) on scrutiny, sturles' account broke apart. whereas i read it as "discussion was ongoing, then mp changed topic".
1651290;1493818335;Framedragger;i do not agree with this latter judgement, while understanding that "not agreeing with facts" is an instance of "being natalie"
1651291;1493818344;*;Framedragger could revisit, but later
1651292;1493818353;mircea_popescu;if you find the link, i'll re-read.
1651293;1493818378;Framedragger;sure
1651294;1493818390;mircea_popescu;not that i have any doubt one examples may be forthcoming for the indefinite future.
1651295;1493818803;Framedragger;if still curious, looks like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1420979 , i'll reread later actually
1651296;1493818803;a111;Logged on 2016-03-03 16:06 sturles: HepP!
1651297;1493818805;*;Framedragger bbl
1651298;1493819017;Framedragger;(on cursory re-glance, it's less clear, cached picture in my head was too "strong". interested to hear opinions anyway, unless too much of a beaten dead horse smell)
1651299;1493819166;mircea_popescu;what he's saying reduces to "the bitcoin nodes run non standard code which keeps two mempools - one to tell you, a different one to use for their own, not transparent reasons". this is exactly what i was saying also, but restated in such a way to give some appearance of footing to the usual tardstalk "oh, guise, you can't know for sure" nonsense.
1651300;1493819183;mircea_popescu;not like said relativism CAN have a footing anyway, so the whole difference is moot in any sense.
1651301;1493819290;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, it's really fucking simple : standard bitcoin node either has a transaction in its mempool or does not have it in its mempool. if it has it then it can't keep it secret from you, which in standard bitcoin is anyone. if it does not have it then it does not have it. that's the whole story of mempools.
1651302;1493819440;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the philosophical zombie approach, ie constructing an "agentless, accidental chain of events which has the exact same outputs" is ~always~ open. see as a fine example http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-21#1304589
1651303;1493819440;a111;Logged on 2015-10-21 17:08 assbot: Saudi prince avoids felony charges in sex assault case near Beverly Hills - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSFdZ4 )
1651304;1493819470;mircea_popescu;whole world of crypto is based, fundamentally, on the rejection of this naivite.
1651305;1493819526;mircea_popescu;otherwise it'll be nothing but "hey guise, some bits flipped because cosmic-rays and that's how the deed got deeded" all over the place.
1651306;1493819668;mircea_popescu;(oh btw -- it's MELANIE (for reasons, the dark one, see disgrace also) not natalie. nfi what i was thinking)
1651307;1493819700;Framedragger;ah ah, natalie was the cool(er) one, gotcha
1651308;1493819719;Framedragger;or wait, jackie was the dark one, no
1651309;1493819731;Framedragger;bad memory!
1651310;1493819750;mircea_popescu;lol
1651311;1493819762;mircea_popescu;pam grier is an actual sexploitation actress.
1651312;1493819822;mircea_popescu;she was in women in cages and whatnot, i'm sure tarantino jacked it to her loads.
1651313;1493819863;shinohai;In other lulz from the randomsanity site: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-5wK4IWAAA11wX.jpg
1651314;1493819880;mircea_popescu;shinohai you tried sampling of pi digits yet ?
1651315;1493819925;shinohai;Nope, but 'tis on the agenda
1651316;1493820159;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the stocks, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2d9ce3685e0e19576fe02c6c77d84a6a/tumblr_o0s6r6DFe61uswp8qo1_1280.jpg
1651317;1493820359;shinohai;It pays to have an assortment of stocks and ASSets
1651318;1493820365;mircea_popescu;aha!
1651319;1493820572;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-30#1650298 << ty, i'm still thinking about it. am in paris, so not much computer time. it's a perfect subj to pen and paper at cafes, while drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes.
1651320;1493820572;a111;Logged on 2017-04-30 22:08 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DqmQw/?raw=true
1651321;1493820608;mircea_popescu;lmao this guy. i think the lord globetrotter may have been more apt.
1651322;1493820757;phf;siegneur touriste
1651323;1493820781;mircea_popescu;paris in may though... i guess if i were a girl i'd be trying to suck up to you right about now.
1651324;1493820820;mircea_popescu;(yes yes the actual paris is a smelly boil. but how's a girl to know ?)
1651325;1493820871;phf;it's dusty when it's not raining, and it's cold when it is, which is most the time, so romantic though omg
1651326;1493820884;mircea_popescu;lol
1651327;1493820906;*;phf cue a guy with an accordion
1651328;1493821253;Framedragger;phf: have you been to the catacombs? not the "tourist tour" way, but the "crawling through them all night, emerge victorious in middle of street" way
1651329;1493821260;Framedragger;they're megafun
1651330;1493821322;Framedragger;(then again, when i boarded a 1st class train to berlin in the morning after ~6h overnight crawl with no time to change clothes, i was seen as a wildman (unkempt beard at the time, too), scared some old german ladies. "megafun" for certain definitions lol)
1651331;1493821383;Framedragger;(quite certain i was called "that hippie" in german by some (wannabe) upperclass old germans; i have 0 regrets)
1651332;1493821442;Framedragger;(one person to ask re. entrance guidance if interested by chance is one boklm, should be on OFTC irc network)
1651333;1493821547;phf;heh
1651334;1493821600;phf;we've made friends with a "cataphilie", but we will probably have to take him up on his offer next trip (as much as it pains us, we do ue stuff wherever we go)
1651335;1493821612;phf;girl's been sick, and i don't think damp cold cavernous air is going to do her good
1651336;1493821637;Framedragger;yeah prolly not :(
1651337;1493821856;phf;i also haven't packed any exploration clothes. but i have one more day, which is otherwise entirely free, so it's possible that we'll end up dropping on a whim
1651338;1493821908;Framedragger;i know it sounds like bullshit, but serious suggestion: helmet. very uneven ceiling, lots of bumps (unless 100% careful)
1651339;1493821910;*;Framedragger interviewed one guy "down there" (he had part of "cave" and christmas lights on wall, said he spend lots of time there, yeah not sure about dampness, i mean god damn), said "oh yeah i'm used to taking acid and getting lost here", nonchalant
1651340;1493821916;Framedragger;"ok dude"
1651341;1493821998;mircea_popescu;lol published this interview ?
1651342;1493822010;phf;lol, helmet, barbour jacket, dress shoes, heels "we took a wrong turn somewhere"
1651343;1493822023;Framedragger;no :( wrong wording. i sat down with him for a chat. did not record. because daft kid << sorry
1651344;1493822040;mircea_popescu;if you take her in heels might as well make her leave the dress at the entrance. go for the whole nine yards!
1651345;1493822084;Framedragger;in our group there was a kid who took a laptop and a camera. there were places where water level reached crotch. ... computer kids
1651346;1493822105;Framedragger;(we did do an amateur key signing party down there, sorta, so that was nice)
1651347;1493822146;mircea_popescu;ew, crypt water!
1651348;1493822159;Framedragger;with lotsa skulls!
1651349;1493822177;Framedragger;(avoidable on more tourist-y routes, of course)
1651350;1493822207;mircea_popescu;so you're technically speaking a baptised satanist.
1651351;1493822231;Framedragger;oh i wish, wouldn't that be grand!
1651352;1493822237;Framedragger;i guess it counts.
1651353;1493822242;mircea_popescu;well ? waded though underground skull river ?
1651354;1493822250;Framedragger;hm!
1651355;1493822285;Framedragger;OK, will do. when Lords have taglines...
1651356;1493822310;phf;well, the catacombs are technically consecrated, so that presumably makes the water holy? i'm not sure what catholic rules for desecration are. taking stuff from catacombs is it for sure though
1651357;1493822343;Framedragger;one of our party took part of a skull that was embedded in some wall. maybe that counts?..
1651358;1493822395;phf;absolutely
1651359;1493822407;Framedragger;(we also snorted some adderall (the crudeness of this was offset by popping a bottle of decent wine open, it's all good))
1651360;1493822426;phf;jeez, that's like some "my first 16 ue adventure" stuff :p
1651361;1493822449;Framedragger;!~ud ue
1651362;1493822450;jhvh1;Framedragger: ue :: Term denoting [Urban Exploration]. Used as both a noun and a verb. The idea of urban adventure is also expressed via [URBEX] and [URBANEX]. [ex:] Let's UE the derelict old warehouse on Fifth Street tonight.I'm acquainted with the tenets of UE. Today, I document for posterity what will vanish tomorrow. [/ex] | User Error, from WikiPedia:The phrase User Error or USR error, is a technical term (4 more messages)
1651363;1493822460;Framedragger;hah :D
1651364;1493822469;Framedragger;damn, ud is da shit amirite
1651365;1493822984;mircea_popescu;seems the transition to graveyard culture will be indeed smooth.
1651366;1493823192;mircea_popescu;phf eh, the whole satanism thing is all about mock-catolicism. "oh, it's a cross, but it's BLACK!!1 oh it's a mass but it's DARK!111".
1651367;1493823355;Framedragger;!~s william blake "marriage of heaven and hell"
1651368;1493823355;jhvh1;Framedragger: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
1651369;1493823375;Framedragger;!~google william blake "marriage of heaven and hell"
1651370;1493823376;jhvh1;Framedragger: The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marriage_of_Heaven_and_Hell>; The Marriage of Heaven and Hell . William Blake . 1908. The Poetical ...: <http://www.bartleby.com/235/253.html>; William Blake - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - Levity: <http://www.levity.com/alchemy/blake_ma.html>
1651371;1493823809;Framedragger;^ (nice text, illustrations etc)
1651372;1493824708;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing mp business school apparently : phg's dodisms / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651277 is directly obvious from the text, of course. even a casual reader can find the answer "because he VERY MUCH WANTS mit to matter and count for something" to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651273 question.
1651373;1493824708;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 13:26 mircea_popescu: somehow even more credible in having been disavowed by its original author. people with constructed negative credibility, how about that!
1651374;1493824708;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 13:25 mircea_popescu: (the difference between mp and pg being that mp is not a dodo bird. pg meanwhile -- deleted the item from his own site. how about that, to lose a company is one thing, but to lose THE HAVING LOST IT ?!?! the actual part of your own personal history ? fuck me sideways, these idiots.)
1651375;1493824745;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the dodoism is apparent WAY the fuck sooner, much like the castle actually became das schloss way before the casual reader noticed.
1651376;1493824861;mircea_popescu;in this particular case it's here : https://archive.is/olupY#selection-115.505-115.603
1651377;1493824868;mircea_popescu;"The terms we'd been offered from the three other serious venture capitalist bidders were similar."
1651378;1493824954;mircea_popescu;there are two ways in which polling agents results in the same string. the first is, if the item considered is banal, you show a cup to three people and get "it is a cup" back. the second is, when they have agreed among themselves to, basically, lie to you. "we call this rape", and the subtle difference already says it. "it's sex, the kind we call rape, much like if it were a cup the kind we call grail"
1651379;1493824990;mircea_popescu;now then, once they already told him they were lying to him, through having made a "consensus", it was his fucking job to decide which way they're lying. if they're overvaluing he should have sold ; if not he should have shown all of them the door.
1651380;1493825008;mircea_popescu;except he doesn't think he can do this, because, essentially, he does not think he can be an adult. he is a child, and his name for daddy is "mit".
1651381;1493825041;mircea_popescu;children don't get to run things, or in his own words "like watching a group of nursery school children who've stolen a Boeing 747 and are now flipping all the switches trying to get it to take off"
1651382;1493825069;mircea_popescu;except it's not a boeing, it's a woman, and the flipping and licking by children does not get her going. even if i doing the ~exact same thing~ end up with an ex-lesbian in my living room.
1651383;1493825477;mircea_popescu;and as to the parallel mp school of philosophy : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651269 << no, regression is NOT a functional means to salvage. not your childhood, as the psychiatric defense ; not nonsense, as the "philosophical" bullshit deployed here, not dead notions of citizenship as seen in the cancer eating the legal system, not bad software through the "magic" of "a framework" and "Abstracting away" etc. regression
1651384;1493825477;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 13:22 Framedragger: well no, they'd actually say that there is an objective worldview. it's just that the haecceity (ha) pointers towards "this is objective" are inverse as it were
1651385;1493825478;mircea_popescu;does not work.
1651386;1493825585;mircea_popescu;but, to do a third, mp's linguistics class : the sufferer does put the signature of his sufferance in his utterances. which is why they're so easy to identify (and how they manage to find each other and clump together like dogvomit.) dodo bird will say dodo bird things, such as "consensus" and "it is hard to lose money hiring mit graduates" and on it goes, lengthy list.
1651387;1493825598;mircea_popescu;people WILL tell you what ails their mind. it's why it's an ailment in the first place.
1651388;1493825610;mircea_popescu;it leaks bits.
1651389;1493828194;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/usg-asset-gavin-andresen-pretends-to-meaningfully-inspect-your-random/ << Qntra - USG Asset Gavin Andresen Pretends To Meaningfully Inspect Your Random
1651390;1493828395;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/05/03/quest-for-the-crafty-noob/ << Ossasepia - Quest for the Crafty Noob
1651391;1493830933;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7549 << Public Sector Revenue Generation
1651392;1493832698;jurov;S.QNTR distributed
1651393;1493833857;shinohai;ty jurov
1651394;1493834180;danielpbarron;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ERPBs/?raw=true
1651395;1493834187;deedbot;accepted: 1
1651396;1493834190;danielpbarron;jurov, ^
1651397;1493834412;mircea_popescu;o hey, foundation owning shares, too ?
1651398;1493834425;Framedragger;i was wondering how this'd work accounting-wise :D
1651399;1493834440;danielpbarron;or just sell them and donate the btc, whatever works
1651400;1493834472;mircea_popescu;!#s fee tail
1651401;1493834473;a111;3 results for "fee tail", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fee%20tail
1651402;1493834580;jurov;i'll just keep them and gleefully report them monthly until mod6 and ben_vulpes move
1651403;1493835322;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-464675.txt
1651404;1493836076;*;shinohai just npw realized he has almost been contributing to Qntra for one year now ....
1651405;1493836562;mircea_popescu;o hey!
1651406;1493836708;Framedragger;gratz shinohai
1651407;1493837276;shinohai;ty. Would likely have never gotten addicted but BB and mircea_popescu kept goading me to.
1651408;1493837413;trinque;looks like deed transactions are packing sufficient fee again.
1651409;1493837716;mircea_popescu;cool deal
1651410;1493838568;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-5xbR3WsAMGY1r.jpg   <<< reddit opines on cuckoldry
1651411;1493838696;trinque;trilema did it way better
1651412;1493838731;trinque;also the preoccupation with this "omg daughter will be fucked" is latent protestant incestual pedophilia
1651413;1493838750;trinque;they have to be the worst group of people ever to walk the earth
1651414;1493838817;trinque;the guy who wrote that is exactly the guy beating off to the camwhore cooing in baby voice with a teddy bear, and that's only because he can't get the clinton goods
1651415;1493838974;shinohai;Precisely.
1651416;1493838985;shinohai;And trilema always does it better lol
1651417;1493839092;Framedragger;anarcho_capitalism, such subreddit. on the other hand top comment *is* "Have you tried NOT wanting to fuck your daughter?"
1651418;1493839235;trinque;say what you want about the catholics; at least they make their pedos wear funny clothes so you see them coming.
1651419;1493839436;shinohai;lel
1651420;1493839437;trinque;unrelatedly hey asciilifeform, got an apu2?
1651421;1493839445;*;trinque loves this little box
1651422;1493839453;trinque;ty for the recommendation of pcengines
1651423;1493839571;mircea_popescu;trinque well, they're scottish originally. unsurprisingly enough.
1651424;1493839595;danielpbarron;guy errs when he says "some random guy gets her" -- this proceeds from the destructive practice of teaching daughters that their opinion matters and they should do what feels good to them, rather than telling them to do as you say and marry who you tell them to
1651425;1493839614;mircea_popescu;Framedragger "have you tried not wanting to fuck guys???" whadda ya know, next they'll "cure" pedos. because they're so totally unlike gays and everything.
1651426;1493839848;Framedragger;yeah the "curable!" western obsession is quite funny
1651427;1493839972;danielpbarron;most churches now embrace homosexuality. But if they weren't teaching destructive heresies they'd say homosexuality is indeed wrong, and that it can be cured by simply believing in Jesus Christ
1651428;1493840156;mircea_popescu;"how do you cure the problem of wanting the wrong things ?" "by getting rid of the strange notion that what you want matters."
1651429;1493840174;mircea_popescu;i'm sure it sounds exactly like throwing out the nubile young daughter out with the cumrag to they afflicted.
1651430;1493840221;danielpbarron;that is a very Christian thing to say. Christ says to hate yourself, and that your ways are wicked; that your desires are for evil
1651431;1493840429;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4o2EhIWYAEHhKC.jpg   <<< /me would really like to know what is in those jars
1651432;1493840513;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the chinos seem to have completely given up on tx priority by fee. there's 20 sat/B items included, there's 200 sat/B item waiting for hours in the pool, it's a complete, ridiculous mess.
1651433;1493840554;mircea_popescu;how can anyone pretend like the bitcoin miners aren't attacking the bitcoin network with such behaviour is anyone's guess.
1651434;1493840600;mircea_popescu;but hey, the usg stoolies managed to prevent meaningful discussion with all their ineptitudes and idiocies, which is generally how the usg stays afloat. not like anyone takes it seriously in the direct. they just manage to make it so nobody can hear anyone else who isn't an idiot and that's good enough.
1651435;1493840638;mircea_popescu;(andpool, as usual, the worst offender.)
1651436;1493840971;pete_dushenski;the cny/usd-btc spread has also grown by 6% in the last 24hrs. pboc pulling strings again ?
1651437;1493841054;mircea_popescu;human idiocy is built out of the self-conscious efforts of a multitude of microscopic wise guys.
1651438;1493841192;pete_dushenski;speaking of self-conscious wise guys, where does moldova fit on the natoreich-realworld spectrum ?
1651439;1493841208;mircea_popescu;~same as odessa
1651440;1493841255;pete_dushenski;so close enough to realworld for tmsr dc ?
1651441;1493841286;mircea_popescu;meh.
1651442;1493841299;pete_dushenski;kk.
1651443;1493841323;mircea_popescu;incidentally, weren't you kinda vaguely interested in doing fg sales ?
1651444;1493841330;*;pete_dushenski keeps hunting, scouring the two corners of the globe
1651445;1493841345;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: yes. this is related.
1651446;1493841352;mircea_popescu;or is it going to be the case that you'll go through the motions of pretending interest in whatevert topic du jour and i'm not going to say anything because i';m lazy ? what's the thinking ?
1651447;1493841355;mircea_popescu;how is it related ?
1651448;1493841472;pete_dushenski;in that dc who buys fg needs to be in realworld according to mp, or else it's in a weird limbo where has units that no person (republican) will buy.
1651449;1493841492;mircea_popescu;this is rank nonsense. the ~isps~ buying fg for their customers aren't going to be dcs.
1651450;1493841497;mircea_popescu;how many have you called to date ?
1651451;1493841511;pete_dushenski;half-dozen.
1651452;1493841552;mircea_popescu;this because you started an hour ago or what ?
1651453;1493841596;mircea_popescu;"planning" is a miserable substitute for work. nevermind the nonsense. call everyone. today.
1651454;1493841699;pete_dushenski;ok. so i call them all today. except i'm still not clear wtf is an isp and wtf is a dc. you use them interchangeably it seems.
1651455;1493841750;pete_dushenski;but maybe i'm thick
1651456;1493841763;shinohai;isp = internetz service provider .... dc= data centre
1651457;1493841814;Framedragger;nah even i am clear by now i think, and that tells ya something :D an isp may or may not own a dc. an isp has hardware at a dc. isp deals with customers (be it private or business), a dc deals with isps. in this picture if you are colocating at a dc, you are (in mp's picture) an isp, basically.
1651458;1493841821;Framedragger;unless i messed it up, too
1651459;1493841865;mircea_popescu;dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's
1651460;1493841865;mircea_popescu; the responses i got sorted by types"
1651461;1493842004;mircea_popescu;Framedragger guy's managing office space, supposedly i'm the one to illustrate the difference between a restaurant and a real estate holding co. "oh, you mean the restaurant takes meal orders from walk-ins on the premises owned by the landlord ?!?! TELL ME MORE OF THIS WEIRD FAR AWAY PLANET!!11"
1651462;1493842018;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
1651463;1493842073;*;pete_dushenski goes to reread logs and make calls.
1651464;1493842322;shinohai;Anything is possible is you sound Caucasian on the phone!!!
1651465;1493842372;trinque;sheeit
1651466;1493842393;shinohai;And in other unsolicited DM's today: "Thx 4follow us, free cloud mining for you - 400 GH/s To Mine Bitcoin http://bit.ly/2pKLI8q  It's Never too late to get Started with Bitcoin"
1651467;1493843949;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651371 << i read of course
1651468;1493843949;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 15:03 Framedragger: ^ (nice text, illustrations etc)
1651469;1493844030;phf;i saw a cool edition of blake's works in powell's in portland. it was a folio reproduction of his designs, with complete Marriage, etc. unfortunately it was something like $400, and i just couldn't justify buying it then
1651470;1493844097;Framedragger;daamn sounds cool
1651471;1493844176;phf;i have this one, https://www.amazon.fr/Blakes-Poetry-Designs-Critical-Editions/dp/039392498X (2nd edition) and while they tried capturing the feeling of how his imagery blends with the text, the visuals are not complete
1651472;1493844227;phf;yeah, if you're ever in portland, stop by powell's, top floor. it's their "rare books" section
1651473;1493844383;Framedragger;i fucking shall! k.
1651474;1493844478;ben_vulpes;~last enjoyable section at powells
1651475;1493844498;ben_vulpes;once upon a time they'd happily sell shit for a dollar that they got for twenty cents
1651476;1493844518;ben_vulpes;these days it lives in a warehouse in beaverton so they can reasonably hold the price two to three dollars under the new price for the same thing
1651477;1493845725;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651404  <<< How time flies, it isn't one year, but *2*
1651478;1493845725;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 18:27 shinohai just npw realized he has almost been contributing to Qntra for one year now ....
1651479;1493846791;shinohai;http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20170503203426&mode=expanded   <<< for OpenBSD aficionados
1651480;1493846800;mircea_popescu;soooo... the unconfirmed rumour is that the chinese govt is drawing up plans to make bitcoin a strategic commodity, making it illegal for private citizens to hold it / buy their holdings at the "prevailing market rates" (ie, 1kish_
1651481;1493847773;shinohai;Illegal to hodl at all ?
1651482;1493847988;ben_vulpes;lol, cn considering banning math eh?
1651483;1493847994;ben_vulpes;math performed outside its borders even
1651484;1493848066;mircea_popescu;hey.
1651485;1493848075;mircea_popescu;you know the six cumquats story or what was it ?
1651486;1493848101;ben_vulpes;i don't think so, no
1651487;1493848102;mircea_popescu;shinohai improper subject of hodling, like wives / children / etc.
1651488;1493848123;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes at some point someone gave $chinese ruler half dozen fruit. he didn't want them, donated them to local chapter of party.
1651489;1493848134;ben_vulpes;aha yes
1651490;1493848142;ben_vulpes;with the epoxy?
1651491;1493848145;mircea_popescu;local chapter of party proceeded to display them in the local chantry/temple, then made them into a 10 ton soup everyone got a spoon
1651492;1493848241;ben_vulpes;forgive me for being thick, but what's the connection between outlawing math and the homeopathic spoiled mango soup?
1651493;1493848266;mircea_popescu;figure you could have bought a cumquat ?
1651494;1493848284;mircea_popescu;teh china has a rich history of "item can't be privately owned".
1651495;1493848290;mircea_popescu;"because not nearly enough of it", see.
1651496;1493848417;ben_vulpes;there is yet a yawning chasm between generating ecdsa keys and owning a quat of cum in my mind
1651497;1493848563;trinque;let 'em "collectively hold bitcoin"
1651498;1493848575;trinque;that'll be the fountain of lol
1651499;1493848618;*;trinque wonders how long before bitcoin gets its own war.
1651500;1493849309;mircea_popescu;trinque you know the other soviets aren't so far off. how is coinbase-ly "holding" bitcoin any better ?
1651501;1493849315;mircea_popescu;stupidity is the human nature, dice it as you will.
1651502;1493849417;mircea_popescu;fact remains : the fiat pretend-sovereigns failed before the republic, and these long arid years of humiliation of their agents in our hands push them towards the only thing they know : collective security.
1651503;1493852500;mircea_popescu;there's the cutest inch-long gecko hanging about... he's fucking adorable.
1651504;1493852501;shinohai;Coinbase, not having enough scams to keep it afloat, adds Litecoin.
1651505;1493852524;ben_vulpes;2012 called
1651506;1493852527;ben_vulpes;wants its altcoins back
1651507;1493852554;ben_vulpes;"we're not ret^H^H^Hslow, we're /conservative/."
1651508;1493852615;shinohai;Pretty hilarious that Charlie Lee works there and couldn't get his shit added until now.
1651509;1493852623;shinohai;Over fucking Ethereum.
1651510;1493852667;ben_vulpes;heh it'd be funny if a) the fiduciary rule had stuck and b) if someone had brought suit against coinbase/kraken for pushing penny stocks
1651511;1493852698;ben_vulpes;lol hey nobody cares what the devs want
1651512;1493852701;ben_vulpes;never have, never will.
1651513;1493852720;ben_vulpes;he was hired to lend credence to cb, not to further his own ambitions.
1651514;1493852738;ben_vulpes;which he'd doubtless deny anyways; "no litecoin's for the good of huge manatees!"
1651515;1493852802;shinohai;Testbed for fucking segwit atm
1651516;1493852809;shinohai;konsensus and all
1651517;1493852837;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much the fate of all these wanna-be nothing-in-particulars. to quote donald clinton, "the traditional route : years of rejection and failure until they're spit out the bottom of the porn industry"
1651518;1493852839;ben_vulpes;can't spell consensus without con
1651519;1493852865;shinohai;^
1651520;1493853037;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, whatever happened to brock pierce.
1651521;1493853095;ben_vulpes;got lost looking for children at fyre
1651522;1493853125;mircea_popescu;but i thought he was like you know, a big deal and all that. cointrepreneur, rogerver, jesusomething ?
1651523;1493853207;shinohai;Busy piercing little kids
1651524;1493853240;mircea_popescu;speaking of that fyre bs : "April 29, 2017 Yesterday was a very challenging day for all of us."
1651525;1493853262;mircea_popescu;the shitstain. "all of us" ? how about you don't inflate away my inconvenience in a pile of dubious matter of unclear provenance wtf bullshit is this.
1651526;1493853267;ben_vulpes;more lulz from that tire fyre?
1651527;1493853271;mircea_popescu;socialists and the group defence already.
1651528;1493853292;ben_vulpes;hey you know what's fun
1651529;1493853307;ben_vulpes;beating the "making individual problems into group problems" meme into millenials heads
1651530;1493853344;mircea_popescu;somehow if "it was very challenging" for "we all" then it's no longer supposed to be the case that you pissed off the wrong guy and now sleep with the fishes, amirite ?
1651531;1493853370;ben_vulpes;oh ja rule swings dong now? can bury kiddos?
1651532;1493853376;mircea_popescu;https://www.fyrefestival.com/ << fucking epitome of the mongoloid generation.
1651533;1493853408;mircea_popescu;"passions" for you know, "technology", "the ocean" and "music". because that's how this fucking works, there's a large jar called "passions" and you pick m&m's from there. they're all the fucking same.
1651534;1493853452;mircea_popescu;"starting a viral campaign". IT CAN ONLY BE VIRAL AFTERWARDS. you don't fucking START it that way jesus christ these morons.
1651535;1493853491;mircea_popescu;"o hi jane i see you are making bread ?" "no it is not bread it is croutons".
1651536;1493853524;mircea_popescu;"from the ground up" is in there, too. i'm giving even odds for "sweat blood and tears".
1651537;1493853530;ben_vulpes;i can't imagine ja rule's passion for the ocean extends past terra yacht-a
1651538;1493853547;mircea_popescu;wtf is this even, a passion for the ocean.
1651539;1493853552;ben_vulpes;they brought an waambleance from ny
1651540;1493853555;ben_vulpes;da fuq, yo
1651541;1493853568;mircea_popescu;"vague interest based on having seen something on tv once"
1651542;1493853577;ben_vulpes;hey i have a passion for 80-foot statistical anomalies
1651543;1493853580;ben_vulpes;i saw them on tv once!
1651544;1493853593;ben_vulpes;hey, good band name
1651545;1493853596;mircea_popescu;at least a cat's passion for boxes is genuine.
1651546;1493853653;ben_vulpes;this girl had a particularly dumb cat once upon a time. couldn't handle boxes, but had to sit on anything rectilinear on the floor.
1651547;1493853657;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and the idiotic, illiterate shamanism of it all. "we chartered 737 planes to shuttle guests from miami". wtf, that many ? oh no wait, it's not a number, IT IS A NAME.
1651548;1493853661;ben_vulpes;put down two and it'd oscillate between them.
1651549;1493853684;ben_vulpes;put three down and it'd walk out pretending haughtiness to conceal confusion.
1651550;1493853689;mircea_popescu;and then "The busses couldn't cope". motherfucking mental defective! the busses COME WITH NUMBERS. $capacity. $speed. you can CALCULATE
1651551;1493853690;mircea_popescu;omfrg.
1651552;1493853710;ben_vulpes;budget lolzporium continues to delivor
1651553;1493853721;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i knew a cat that couldn't take people hyperventilating.
1651554;1493853728;mircea_popescu;cats are weird.
1651555;1493853740;ben_vulpes;well no mircea_popescu also security couldn't cope! they worried! how can you calculate the security numbers, you dragon you?
1651556;1493853760;mircea_popescu;"we thought we were ready but then it turns out we never ever did any of those 6th grade math problems, with the three faucets and the tub"
1651557;1493853777;ben_vulpes;hey, cut the schmucks a break they were raised with imperial units
1651558;1493853799;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes one day ima put one of these fucks in stocks and whip them until they either die or meaningfully explain what "take full responsibility" is supposed to FUCKING EVEN BE!
1651559;1493853805;ben_vulpes;"but a ton is an absurd amalgamation of other retarded units like chains and furlongs!"
1651560;1493853813;ben_vulpes;"nono, a metric tonne, dummy"
1651561;1493853905;mircea_popescu;"how many 10 g spoonfulls of water in a full pool 15 x 7 x 3 ?" "31500000" "now do ounces for a ten yards by fifty feet by eighty inches pool"
1651562;1493853917;ben_vulpes;eh that took you too long to bake
1651563;1493853922;ben_vulpes;;p
1651564;1493853925;*;ben_vulpes to lie in the sun with rose and rosy cheeks
1651565;1493853925;mircea_popescu;a minute ?!?!?!?!
1651566;1493853936;ben_vulpes;too long!
1651567;1493853977;ben_vulpes;"you meant yards, right? and i have to convert cc's to yards somehow!"
1651568;1493853977;shinohai;Imagine in Medieval times when 1 yard = distance between King's nose to to thumb on outstretched arm.
1651569;1493854010;mircea_popescu;holy shit they got the gall to talk of fyre 2018
1651570;1493854021;mircea_popescu;motherfucker these people.
1651571;1493854029;mircea_popescu;it doesn't look like there's enough arabs.
1651572;1493854066;ben_vulpes;think of all the bahamians they'll employ
1651573;1493854079;mircea_popescu;no they're going to bless a us beach with the presence next
1651574;1493854108;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's the right move from a cattle herding perspective. refund the current crop and promise them vip seats atthe next one. gotta keep the promise flow.
1651575;1493854236;mircea_popescu;but, since they had people who could throw a quarter mil on tickets, and they're being hounded by geragos & friends for 100s of mns, it seems somewhat dubious it'll actually work.
1651576;1493859441;Framedragger;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdJqOFLP4kA << some music. nik bartsch
1651577;1493859785;shinohai;Interesting music Framedragger, not my normal fare but ....
1651578;1493859843;Framedragger;bartsch does quite a bit of funky stuff, e.g. with his band "ronin". (e.g. album "holon"). if you follow youtube suggestions, will get some nice live plays of his, etc
1651579;1493859862;Framedragger;(does stuff with other bands, too)
1651580;1493859962;*;shinohai is more of a Classical/Metal person
1651581;1493860209;Framedragger;nice. rachmaninov with heavy overdrive!
1651582;1493860981;mod6;evenin'
1651583;1493861895;shinohai;o7 mod6
1651584;1493861957;shinohai;Framedragger: I prefer Rimsky-Korsakov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR_Q7NbLzyU&t=916s
1651585;1493862012;mod6;how they hangin' shinohai ?
1651586;1493862047;shinohai;A little low and to the left! >.>
1651587;1493862229;mod6;respectable
1651588;1493862476;shinohai;I'm sure if she tugs on 'em a bit they will swing more clockwise.
1651589;1493862720;mod6;:D
1651590;1493863401;shinohai;Since all the other scammers can come up with a coin, I - The Baron Titsbare - should create a new algo called Proof of Jerk.
1651591;1493863435;mod6;heh
1651592;1493863541;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> o hey, foundation owning shares, too ? << at first I was thinking that these might need to be realised into btc and sent to the addy...  but i don't see any restrictions on asset ownership.  as long as jurov writes in a line item in the report at least.
1651593;1493863557;mod6;ben_vulpes: thoughts?
1651594;1493863567;shinohai;Perhaps said shares will appreciate in value.
1651595;1493863591;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Congrats on two years, it works when you work it. When are you picking up your coin and eating caek?
1651596;1493863609;mod6;hey!
1651597;1493863613;mod6;well done!
1651598;1493863680;shinohai;BingoBoingo: I'm honestly *incredulous* 2 years have passed so quickly. The lulz have been as worthy as the shares, and that's value.
1651599;1493863923;BingoBoingo;That's the power of "Keep coming back"
1651600;1493864072;shinohai;I'm thankful the Republic accepts my contributions. Where else the fuck would someone like me go?
1651601;1493864516;BingoBoingo;The bar?
1651602;1493864585;shinohai;Heh, never found solutions there.
1651603;1493864599;*;shinohai unless, say TITTY bar
1651604;1493864906;BingoBoingo;lol, The lord titsbare hath decreed it
1651605;1493865022;shinohai;^_______________^
1651606;1493866391;mod6;cheddarworst brats on the grill tonight with dijon mustard.
1651607;1493866397;mod6;yaaaaa.
1651608;1493866530;BingoBoingo;nice
1651609;1493866538;shinohai;yummy
1651610;1493866550;mod6;so awesome
1651611;1493866602;shinohai;I have a guest tonite of the Georgian persuasion who made some kind of funky Stroganoff that i'm not gonna argue with.
1651612;1493866647;mod6;ah, nice man
1651613;1493866654;mod6;sounds good
1651614;1493866761;shinohai;You are welcome to load up the Suburban and amble over here, lel.
1651615;1493866821;mod6;haha. werd.
1651616;1493866838;mod6;road trip kinda sounds cool actually.
1651617;1493866905;mod6;i've been afk too much lately. :/
1651618;1493866915;mod6;got a metric-fuckton to catch up on
1651619;1493867578;mod6;here's the results from FG #3, second run of entropy collection1.1Gb worth.  `ent` && `dieharder` results: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run2.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run2.txt
1651620;1493867654;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651601   <<< On further thought, "You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you."
1651621;1493867654;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 02:21 BingoBoingo: The bar?
1651622;1493868672;BingoBoingo;http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/27/college-speaker-whines-about-prison-but-fails-to-mention-that-she-tortured-and-killed-a-man/
1651623;1493868757;shinohai;Trump made me do it.
1651624;1493870348;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1651625;1493870474;shinohai;One sec, lost jhvh1 in netsplit
1651626;1493870913;BingoBoingo;np
1651627;1493871234;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1651628;1493871240;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1505.95, vol: 11498.06020734 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1402.799, vol: 10509.1831 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1614.4, vol: 17193.86019088 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1237.444551, vol: 13250.12280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1513.368, vol: 5061.21710821 | Volume-weighted last average: 1458.31605317
1651629;1493871374;shinohai;Dem Buttfunions
1651630;1493871528;BingoBoingo;That's a good one
1651631;1493871531;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep
1651632;1493871584;mod6;night
1651633;1493873152;mod6;!~later tell mircea_popescu Hi, does seem like my gnat woes were system environment related.  Was able to compile alf's ffa after splitting up the file: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nl0EP/?raw=true
1651634;1493873152;jhvh1;mod6: The operation succeeded.
1651635;1493874015;mod6;Crap.  Forgot to add that the gcc version on the one that worked was GCC 4.9.2.  Maybe that's my problem with my broken env., gnat version doesn't match the GCC version.
1651636;1493876474;ben_vulpes;in unrelated arse-digitalia: "If she is curious about encryption, she should find the Internet's best tutorial on the workings of the RSA algorithm."
1651637;1493876502;ben_vulpes;"Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing" has some gems
1651638;1493876552;ben_vulpes;mod6: i think it's grand
1651639;1493876612;*;ben_vulpes elbows mod6 and whispers quietly in his ear "hey see if you can get him to do the eulora coppers while you're at it"
1651640;1493876917;ben_vulpes;endless lulzrabbit hole, this: "I seriously considered quitting the industry in 1997 when Apple Computer was concluding its acquisition of NeXT. Imagine if the president of General Motors said, in 1997, "It has come to my attention that our cars are kind of clunky and unreliable. Don't worry, though. We're rectifying this problem by licensing the blueprints to the 1985 Toyota Camry."
1651641;1493876945;ben_vulpes;and from le wik: "One of Greenspun's most famous students is Randal Pinkett, who built an online community for low-income housing residents in Greenspun's 6.171 Software Engineering for Internet Applications course."
1651642;1493892479;phf;mod6: this is anathem, but you could split the learning of ada and the build from sources into separate unrelated projects by downloading a prebuilt binary from adacore. that's what i did first, http://libre.adacore.com/download/ unpack whatever version ./doinstall puts all the binaries (including its own version of gcc) into a subdir structure you specify
1651643;1493892624;phf;it also gives you a working gps (gnat programming studio) which is handy if you don't emacs (and even if you do, it's a semi-proper ide with context sensitive completion and code validation)
1651644;1493892895;phf;afaik gnat is built as part of gcc, i.e. it's one of possible artifacts produced during gcc suite compilation, so you shouldn't have a situation of non matching versions, and if you do it's most likely not going to work right. the easiest approach is to build matching gcc/gnat into their own directory structure, and change PATH when you're working with gnat projects. i think package managers going the other way and try and carefully match gcc/gnat
1651645;1493892895;phf; versions (at least that's what pkgsrc does)
1651646;1493897324;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651593 << yeah should be fine
1651647;1493897324;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 02:05 mod6: ben_vulpes: thoughts?
1651648;1493897394;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651619 << nice pile mod6 !
1651649;1493897394;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 03:12 mod6: here's the results from FG #3, second run of entropy collection1.1Gb worth.  `ent` && `dieharder` results: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run2.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run2.txt
1651650;1493897417;mircea_popescu; "You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you." huh. not bad.
1651651;1493897464;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651635 << sounds like a prime candidate.
1651652;1493897464;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 05:00 mod6: Crap.  Forgot to add that the gcc version on the one that worked was GCC 4.9.2.  Maybe that's my problem with my broken env., gnat version doesn't match the GCC version.
1651653;1493897490;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651637 << quite, yes. dude's always been my mental model for "irl george costanza".
1651654;1493897490;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 05:41 ben_vulpes: "Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing" has some gems
1651655;1493897692;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651645 << chiefly because nobody seems to grok hl the master of the rolls' point. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1651098
1651656;1493897692;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 10:14 phf:  versions (at least that's what pkgsrc does)
1651657;1493897692;a111;Logged on 2017-05-02 19:43 trinque: how about... users
1651658;1493897719;mircea_popescu;there's users, there's directories, and then there's a bunch of gnats trying to reinvent the wheel so they could call it gneel and LIVE FOREVER IN MEMORY OF MAN!!11
1651659;1493897727;mircea_popescu;fucking brain parasites.
1651660;1493898227;shinohai;Buenas dias Sr. Popescu y los demas de Trilema
1651661;1493898346;mircea_popescu;hola!
1651662;1493898467;mircea_popescu;we claim dis gorge and we shall call it disgorge!
1651663;1493899032;mircea_popescu;and in other dekulakizations, https://archive.is/lWBxq#selection-695.430-695.619
1651664;1493899066;mircea_popescu;"maximum return" for shareholders and other gems of the soviet state.
1651665;1493899288;shinohai;In Soviet Russia, money disgorges YOU.
1651666;1493899341;mircea_popescu;"It’s a bit like the homeowners “using their houses as ATMs” during the 2000s, except that the shareholders don’t get stuck with the mortgage payments. The ­businesses’ workers and customers get to share the pain."
1651667;1493899487;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder. putting money down the line, with no kind of collateral whatsoever is not "sharing the pain". none of that obnoxious http://trilema.com/2015/other-peoples-money/#selection-77.0-77.47 oh no.
1651668;1493899541;mircea_popescu;instead, the "workers", michael moore's http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-193.214-203.38 , those schmucks who spent all their day trying to put in less work THAN WHAT THEY WERE PAID FOR. those "sharei n the pain". what fucking pain ? the pain of ~their future expectations~ of tits continuing to bleed ambrosia in their open mouths going away.
1651669;1493899612;mircea_popescu;"Firms’ investment decisions, then, don’t depend on current earnings or credit conditions; they depend on whether management can propose projects with high enough returns to convince shareholders to leave “their” money inside the firm." << get a load of that. quotes. not around "workers" and not around "our" democracy. but around "their" money.
1651670;1493899728;mircea_popescu;the schmuck in question, http://www.jjay.cuny.edu/faculty/j-w-mason actually thinks he's an economics phd/asssistant prof etc.
1651671;1493899858;shinohai;http://userfeeds.io/   <<< "Allow your token-based community to create their own view of social media destinations" - But further down the page "Want to find out more? Check out our Medium blog."
1651672;1493899870;shinohai;Because naturally the shit doesn't work yet.
1651673;1493899899;mircea_popescu;not really. more because octopus arm gotta signal its attachment to octopus so the other worms know what's what.
1651674;1493899963;mircea_popescu;basically the reason we keep ending up with the empire of stupid "running things" instead of the republic of the smart, is because smart people look at stupid people and can tell they're stupid, and then imagine this means something. it does, in some places. in other places it does not : the stupid can still recognize the stupid and band together.
1651675;1493900032;mircea_popescu;most of the activity of the stupid is channeled to this "constructing the dogvomit" activity. it's not like "oh, stupid did something stupid, it dun work." it's always "stupid did something to signal to stupids that didn't happen to have other effects".
1651676;1493900133;mircea_popescu;goes right back to that discussion re spam, "oh how could anyone expect to sell something when they can't even spell". except he's not trying to do anything other than signal to other dumbasses, "hey, here's dumbassery". they then merge. that's all that's going on there.
1651677;1493900148;shinohai;Not surprisingly, the main "investor" here is coinbase founder Fred Ehrsam.
1651678;1493900154;mircea_popescu;aha.
1651679;1493900180;mircea_popescu;this "stupid signalling" approach explains 100% of the activity of the idiots.
1651680;1493900382;mircea_popescu;compare and contrast "Production can only be carried out successfully by managers who want to make things, and not just to make money." from the marxist idiot masquerading as an economist with the "We thought we were ready, but then everyone arrived. The team was overwhelmed. The airport was jam packed. The buses couldn’t handle the load." of the very manager he's talking about, passionate of "the ocean" and "technology" bu
1651681;1493900382;mircea_popescu;t innumerate.
1651682;1493900482;mircea_popescu;yes, it sounds way the fuck better in the abstract (if you're clueless, entirely devoid of either experience, any faculty for thought and any inclination to resolve either). but it's the same god damned thing -- the desire of "visual thinkers" to introduce new glyphs in the alphabet so they don't get "constrained" in their "creativity" by the present set exactly mirrors the need of the house fly to get some garbage going so i
1651683;1493900482;mircea_popescu;t can lay its eggs somewhere.
1651684;1493900601;mircea_popescu;point fucking remains : people who "just want to" "creative" and be relieved from the need to math are fundamentally stupid people who will never do anything but make trouble for their betters, and who essentially aim to burn your house down to make marshmellows in the blaze.
1651685;1493900961;shinohai;https://blog.slock.it/blockchain-energy-p2p-sharing-project-share-charge-going-into-live-beta-ad4e069e79d    <<< More of the same, from the neckbeards @ slock.it
1651686;1493900978;mircea_popescu;lol, that lulz still pretends to existence ? really ?
1651687;1493901079;shinohai;Also, still pretending that Ethereum is "Immutable" apparently.
1651688;1493901176;shinohai;"Our mobile application enables anyone to benefit from a platform secured by proven cryptographic principles without knowing the technical details behind it"
1651689;1493901191;shinohai;We don't know the technical details behind it either, but hey!
1651690;1493901201;mircea_popescu;made by the people that also made the anal orifice ethereum got raped through ?
1651691;1493901217;shinohai;The very same.
1651692;1493901281;mircea_popescu;what could possibly go wrong! some idiots will flock to it, if it makes a blob large enough they'll be "too big to fail" and if it doesn't maybe it attracts the attention of a slightly larger blob looking to accrete specs of stupid to grow.
1651693;1493902285;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform
1651694;1493902286;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1651695;1493902367;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu .   trinque : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651420 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690
1651696;1493902367;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 19:23 trinque: unrelatedly hey asciilifeform, got an apu2?
1651697;1493902367;a111;Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
1651698;1493902392;asciilifeform;so it's approx the same as any cheapo x86 nao.
1651699;1493902399;mircea_popescu;heh
1651700;1493902404;asciilifeform;apu1 was the nice one.
1651701;1493902437;asciilifeform;2 has bloblocked amd and -- as if this weren't enough -- intel (yes) nic.
1651702;1493902648;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651432 << this fact is readily verified with almost naked eye. yet 'unhappening', naturally.
1651703;1493902648;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 19:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the chinos seem to have completely given up on tx priority by fee. there's 20 sat/B items included, there's 200 sat/B item waiting for hours in the pool, it's a complete, ridiculous mess.
1651704;1493902726;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651435 << them and other folx who claim to 'prioritize' tx in exchange for ... fiatola
1651705;1493902726;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 19:43 mircea_popescu: (andpool, as usual, the worst offender.)
1651706;1493902739;mircea_popescu;amusingly it improved significantly right after i said that. coincidental, i'm sure,. and not to last, obviously.
1651707;1493902759;mircea_popescu;who could have predicted that the people supposedly served by the market in question are the first to try and break it ?
1651708;1493902782;mircea_popescu;apparently every imbecile is firmly convinced the warm embrace of some sort of "consensus" fiatism is going to treat him better than any possible marketplace.
1651709;1493902801;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651510   <<< lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14262389
1651710;1493902801;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 23:04 ben_vulpes: heh it'd be funny if a) the fiduciary rule had stuck and b) if someone had brought suit against coinbase/kraken for pushing penny stocks
1651711;1493902808;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651480 << hey, in usaschwitz inmates are forbidden from having money at all
1651712;1493902808;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 21:26 mircea_popescu: soooo... the unconfirmed rumour is that the chinese govt is drawing up plans to make bitcoin a strategic commodity, making it illegal for private citizens to hold it / buy their holdings at the "prevailing market rates" (ie, 1kish_
1651713;1493902818;mircea_popescu;in short : the fundamental error at the base of the currently deployed bitcoin prototype is the nonsensical proposition that observed competence correlates with actual competence, rather than being just accidental happenstance.
1651714;1493902849;mircea_popescu;it's a little like giving an A to the kid who's top of the mongoloid class, forgetting for some reason that even if he floated to the top, he still floated to the top of a sewer and consequently is still a turd, fundamentally.
1651715;1493902886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the 'columbus and driftwood' thread
1651716;1493902893;mircea_popescu;yes the current miners elbowed themselves atop a larger set who tried to mine, over years, somehow. but this does not mean they're anything but a bunch of idempotent tards.
1651717;1493902899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite.
1651718;1493902973;mircea_popescu;it's still one for the ages, to observe the people for whom the market exists in the first place squirm like they were visited with flaming salt ffs.
1651719;1493903007;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if everyone agrees itsucks for the nodes, they got no fee market, except for the miners, who go "hey, at least they ain't got a market!11"
1651720;1493903050;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651533 << shannonizer
1651721;1493903050;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 23:16 mircea_popescu: "passions" for you know, "technology", "the ocean" and "music". because that's how this fucking works, there's a large jar called "passions" and you pick m&m's from there. they're all the fucking same.
1651722;1493903058;mircea_popescu;wetware, but yes.
1651723;1493903239;mircea_popescu;shinohai lulzy, all the "technical trader" explaining away why their idiocy did not work. here, i have a very similar one for you : https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1376503/september-11-cameraman-claims-hes-got-proof-the-george-w-bush-administration-was-behind-terror-attacks/
1651724;1493903266;mircea_popescu;tl;cba - dude shot his wife in the head, ran off to argentina, is not being extradited and likes to claim that it's because he has sept 11 proofs!!1
1651725;1493903446;shinohai;Jet fuel can't melt steel beams yo
1651726;1493903464;mircea_popescu;6 inch peni can't satisfy wives, either. nevertheless...
1651727;1493903471;shinohai;hue
1651728;1493903567;mircea_popescu;this whole "oh, someone else snuck in and shot my wife, didn't bother to fuck her before or after, nothing" is such lulz. who the fuck is going to shoot a woman, the husband himself can't be arsed most of the time.
1651729;1493903792;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651644 << this took me ~month to tune, i oughta have posted the makefile
1651730;1493903792;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 10:14 phf: afaik gnat is built as part of gcc, i.e. it's one of possible artifacts produced during gcc suite compilation, so you shouldn't have a situation of non matching versions, and if you do it's most likely not going to work right. the easiest approach is to build matching gcc/gnat into their own directory structure, and change PATH when you're working with gnat projects. i think package managers going the other way and try and carefully match gcc/gnat
1651731;1493903802;asciilifeform;will post when i get home
1651732;1493903835;asciilifeform;( originally planned to wait till 'p' release , did not anticipate the appetite of readers )
1651733;1493903871;*;asciilifeform bbl
1651734;1493903883;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, apparently george michael died. heroin abuse.
1651735;1493903895;asciilifeform;!!down asciilifeform
1651736;1493903901;mircea_popescu;wtf is with all these obnoxious 80s media items doing heroin anyway ?
1651737;1493903903;mircea_popescu;anyone got a theory ?
1651738;1493903922;mircea_popescu;and yes asciilifeform , YOU SHOULD HAVE FUCKING POSTED IT.
1651739;1493903941;mircea_popescu;think, if only you had taken the day to do that, you'd have saved mod6 a week of fiddling, for a net gain of 6 days for the republic.
1651740;1493903950;mircea_popescu;why so irresponsible ? srsly nao. you hate us or something ?
1651741;1493903974;shinohai;Perhaps they don't have the Bitcoin or Chinese connections to purchase Carfentanil
1651742;1493904267;shinohai;http://vessenes.com/tokencard-tech-roundup-and-erc20-crediting/   <<< In other Ethereum projects that can't math ....
1651743;1493906124;mircea_popescu;when is this schmuck getting prosecuted for his "foundation" scam ?
1651744;1493906620;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 << d'oh
1651745;1493906620;a111;Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
1651746;1493907709;mircea_popescu;and in other "production being carried on succesfully by managers who want to make things", https://archive.is/IOVKM#selection-1317.5-1317.68 <<->> http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/
1651747;1493907740;mircea_popescu;people from the future will look at these boneheaded decades incomprehendingly. never before, and i expect never after, has so much business been destroyed by "really passionate" imbeciles "who wanted to".
1651748;1493907969;shinohai;I don't think I've ever used Cpanel at any point in my internet life.
1651749;1493908019;mircea_popescu;for a while was the cheapest way to get wordpress minds on their own space.
1651750;1493908055;mircea_popescu;whatever, no longer relevant in itself. yet another electric panel co.
1651751;1493908220;mircea_popescu;and in other "When you see it"s, https://68.media.tumblr.com/fc9f5fcc1f392a51a74ec2dbb2cd013d/tumblr_n6sccvgZuH1tptzhko1_1280.jpg
1651752;1493908250;shinohai;What is that, a Soviet block glory hole?
1651753;1493908259;mircea_popescu;must be
1651754;1493909171;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651737 << probably follows standard path of percocet abuse (around $30 per pill on black market iirc) to eventual (much cheaper) heroin
1651755;1493909171;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 13:18 mircea_popescu: anyone got a theory ?
1651756;1493909213;mircea_popescu;why not buy a 20lb rock of pure lsd, mount it in a "den" and just you know, lick it whenever you wake up ?
1651757;1493909222;mircea_popescu;there's better drugs to abuse than fucking heroin.
1651758;1493909250;mircea_popescu;in fact, the cogent argument re heroin is that any usage pattern from which you woke up is abuse. the correct way to use it is the way chinese use it, as a retirement plan.
1651759;1493909286;lobbes;Trappings of power vs power I imagine.   "Ah shit, can't relax, can't sleep. Ah this mellows shit out"
1651760;1493909306;mircea_popescu;ie "he just wanted to" ?
1651761;1493909309;lobbes;Lsd, on the other hand, can make one more paranoid
1651762;1493909329;lobbes;More aware of "fuck I actually have no control after all!!"
1651763;1493909335;mircea_popescu;mdma ?
1651764;1493909335;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651584 << this was nice, thx!
1651765;1493909335;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 01:39 shinohai: Framedragger: I prefer Rimsky-Korsakov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR_Q7NbLzyU&t=916s
1651766;1493909400;lobbes;Mdma may be the right prescription for em' although many are cut with amphetamines. "The day after blues" can hit hard
1651767;1493909428;mircea_popescu;you'd expect pop icon of the 80s can afford nuclear grade pure samples.
1651768;1493909431;Framedragger;i think the simile of "lsd is like being given a coredump" is apt (actually heard this from an opioid affictionado). you're sorta-given-all-the-data, but then what. mdma on the other hand is in-between a psychedelic (you still get that psychedelic experience, to a point) and a stimulant (which in its case acts as "guidance", of sorts).
1651769;1493909435;shinohai;I never get tired of that one .... There is a version somewhere that the NY Philharmonic butchered by performing a bit too presto for my taste.
1651770;1493909460;shinohai;That one is likely best on Youtube
1651771;1493909496;*;Framedragger agrees re "heroin as retirement plan". doesn't plan to try opioids before ~60, even
1651772;1493909503;Framedragger;shinohai: nice
1651773;1493909598;Framedragger;(required disclaim re mdma: one has to do the homework, understand basics of serotonin syndrome (oxidation => damage of serotonin synapses), do it *very* infrequently (if at all), etc.)
1651774;1493909603;Framedragger;disclaimer*
1651775;1493909630;lobbes;^^ true
1651776;1493909676;Framedragger;(unless you're a british raveboy who does it every weekend and then complains of "memory problems" years later. plennnnty of these here)
1651777;1493909676;lobbes;I try to space my mdma experiences between several years even
1651778;1493909716;lobbes;Oh god, I couldn't imagine that. Talk about brain frying
1651779;1493909766;Framedragger;sounds like a good idea :) i think "3 months" is a nice bare-minimum, but there's actually not enough data. controlled studies are with mice etc., and field observations have too many confounding variables (alcohol, weed, etc.; also, *body temperature* (most important catalyst of deprivation of antioxidants it seems, many fall prey to this, underhydrated, etc.))
1651780;1493909875;mircea_popescu;they don't do the cold rooms anymore ?
1651781;1493909906;Framedragger;too young / out-of-loop to have seen this. guess not. is it like a place you go to for dancing breaks? sounds nice
1651782;1493909923;mircea_popescu;it is the place where you go to lie down and have your body temperature fixed passively.
1651783;1493909927;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1651784;1493909955;trinque;totally untrue re: lsd gives you all the data
1651785;1493909975;Framedragger;trinque: yeah, that was too optimistic, i agree
1651786;1493909977;mircea_popescu;what is wrong with the fucking soviet, it always builds these shits, roadways without parking spaces, brothel;s without bathrooms, raves without the requisite terarium scl etc ad infinitum.
1651787;1493909998;mircea_popescu;if anything should be the international, universal and enduring symbol of socialism / stupidity, it'd be a koi fish in a plastic bag.
1651788;1493910023;trinque;Framedragger: it's depersonalizing and that can maybe give you some room in your skull to think for a while if you're otherwise too neurotic to calm down
1651789;1493910039;trinque;otherwise makes sensory input LIKE WOAH MAN which is fun, but does nothing useful
1651790;1493910100;trinque;funny enough this was exactly what I was thinking about in the shower
1651791;1493910108;trinque;republican overmind is everywhere
1651792;1493910134;mircea_popescu;lol
1651793;1493910176;scriba;say BORG 	  				 	 	 	    		  	   		  		
1651794;1493910283;Framedragger;!!rate scriba -1 buggy
1651795;1493910285;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UL2ou/?raw=true
1651796;1493910363;lobbes;lel
1651797;1493910706;shinohai;http://archive.is/J3fXr  <<< Judge rules users can be compelled to reveal phone passcodes in sextortion case.
1651798;1493910845;mircea_popescu;"social media star yesjulz" ? sorry ?
1651799;1493910862;shinohai;I never heard of her either.
1651800;1493910874;mircea_popescu;"Both Voigt and "YesJulz" are big names on social media. Voigt is a fitness model and Instagram celebrity who starred last fall on "WAGS Miami," an E! reality TV show about the wives and girlfriends of sports figures in South Beach."
1651801;1493910878;mircea_popescu;you have ghot to be kidding me.
1651802;1493911012;mircea_popescu;so basically this entire "legal proceeding" is about trying to enact the pretense that "E!" is a tv station and "WAGS Miami" is some sort of show and so on and so forth.
1651803;1493912168;shinohai;And that the "celebrities" involved are actual people.
1651804;1493912805;mircea_popescu;"nobody ruled on nobody in particular's sophomoric argument with nobody else involving things and matters, please care!"
1651805;1493912892;mircea_popescu;i suppose the next helping out of the ever fertile well of these idiots' imagination is you know, "bitcoin is money because we've been acting like it were for long enough and everyone really cares what we act like!!!"
1651806;1493912921;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> wtf is with all these obnoxious 80s media items doing heroin anyway ? << Their doctors have been scared by the DEA gang into not giving them pharmaceutical opiates
1651807;1493913013;mircea_popescu;why would you give 50yo kid trying to make a life/career out of singing into mom's hairspray tube in his underwear opiates ?
1651808;1493913024;shinohai;Also, am I delusional or did s.qntr price increase this round
1651809;1493913036;mircea_popescu;a good paddling i could see. morphine ? what for ?
1651810;1493913072;BingoBoingo;<lobbes> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651737 << probably follows standard path of percocet abuse (around $30 per pill on black market iirc) to eventual (much cheaper) heroin << You mean under $1 a pop at Walgreens to street price sticker shock to "One trick the drug companies don't want you to know"
1651811;1493913072;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 13:18 mircea_popescu: anyone got a theory ?
1651812;1493913174;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> you'd expect pop icon of the 80s can afford nuclear grade pure samples. << Nah, they all hired fiduciaries who told them to "invest" in building their own "Neverland Ranch" by 1990
1651813;1493913244;mircea_popescu;dorks.
1651814;1493913528;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> why would you give 50yo kid trying to make a life/career out of singing into mom's hairspray tube in his underwear opiates ? << Because muh hips, muh knees, muh condishuns!
1651815;1493913588;mircea_popescu;eh get out
1651816;1493913619;mircea_popescu;half the trench foot sufferers of 1917 got no morphine for amputations because no morphine avaialble, and the sky didn't fall over.
1651817;1493913630;mircea_popescu;now these schmucks expect dentistry work be done under anesthesia ?
1651818;1493913633;mircea_popescu;paddlings.
1651819;1493913651;BingoBoingo;Well, products of their times
1651820;1493913673;BingoBoingo;Progress in medical technolotit and all that
1651821;1493913680;BingoBoingo;"Progress"
1651822;1493915183;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/midwest-corn-and-altcorn-crops-experience-widespread-deluge-delay/ << Qntra - Midwest Corn And Altcorn Crops Experience Widespread Deluge Delay
1651823;1493915832;shinohai;https://pastebin.com/zU6YZWXK   <<< Supposed Q&A w/ Hoaxtoshi in r/btc slack
1651824;1493916481;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1651825;1493916488;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1577.87, vol: 14084.22809790 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1487.892, vol: 12279.16881 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1648.0, vol: 20042.63513104 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1251.4457, vol: 11297.13350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1577.002, vol: 6551.13376322 | Volume-weighted last average: 1525.07025951
1651826;1493920457;mircea_popescu;aaand in other consumer futures, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1be6ec112a14f6a173a4a66c2e12f100/tumblr_nxh9kdjXzj1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg
1651827;1493921016;shinohai;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39798988  <<< Extreme selfies, US Army edition
1651828;1493921481;mircea_popescu;"human cost of war" my foot. a mortar shell blew up during a training exercise. what fucking war ? the human cost of the continuance of the usg criminal organisation.
1651829;1493925248;phf;this is as heavy handed as soviet propaganda used to be. photographer dies during training accident, "heroic womens dies in war, we salute all the heroic womens in war, and call a photography honor after heroic womens!1"
1651830;1493928351;mircea_popescu;quite.
1651831;1493928360;mircea_popescu;woman insisted we watch "quails"
1651832;1493928387;mircea_popescu;it's the story of some laundress (kate pizdets) who speaks with a minor character la salle or de sale or w/e like she's hius wife
1651833;1493928397;mircea_popescu;and an entire hospital, country and film set is organized around her.
1651834;1493928417;mircea_popescu;because she's a woman, you understand.
1651835;1493928427;mircea_popescu;and everyone cares about her. you know ? like irl ?
1651836;1493928428;mircea_popescu;fucktards.
1651837;1493928993;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A8FCA2E770D10993CDBB43D037DE6D5C71B312B44D564BE99CEC3032F2323A8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1515...4643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.5.254.146 (ssh-rsa key from 195.5.254.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (network.ippi.fr. FR)
1651838;1493928994;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A8FCA2E770D10993CDBB43D037DE6D5C71B312B44D564BE99CEC3032F2323A8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1622...1559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.5.254.146 (ssh-rsa key from 195.5.254.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (network.ippi.fr. FR)
1651839;1493928994;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5B7435DED25831DC3124683E4E026958F97627DEF877176C739F0713DA58A8F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '31.28.254.19 (ssh-rsa key from 31.28.254.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host-19-254-28-31.sevstar.net. UA 40)
1651840;1493928995;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE)
1651841;1493928995;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAE0707E17D6FC42F61F64831A1D0579383302AD965D59BC4A2C82CD7020B595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.191.238.241 (ssh-rsa key from 41.191.238.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZW)
1651842;1493928996;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5B7435DED25831DC3124683E4E026958F97627DEF877176C739F0713DA58A8F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1377...0023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '31.28.254.19 (ssh-rsa key from 31.28.254.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host-19-254-28-31.sevstar.net. UA 40)
1651843;1493938561;BingoBoingo;And the lower house of US congress passed healthcare reform-reform
1651844;1493939531;ben_vulpes;is this good for healthfarecoin?
1651845;1493940070;BingoBoingo;Unknown
1651846;1493940692;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: i think it's grand << aha. ok sounds good then.
1651847;1493940715;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651593 << yeah should be fine << yup, just as long as we/treasurer keeps track.
1651848;1493940715;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 02:05 mod6: ben_vulpes: thoughts?
1651849;1493940739;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651619 << nice pile mod6 ! << thx, salud!
1651850;1493940739;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 03:12 mod6: here's the results from FG #3, second run of entropy collection1.1Gb worth.  `ent` && `dieharder` results: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run2.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run2.txt
1651851;1493940764;mod6;phf: thanks for the info.
1651852;1493940812;mod6;I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing.  It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things.  But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages.  But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
1651853;1493941258;BingoBoingo;Anyways local interstate highways have spent time closed this week because of water, fuck that's a lot of water, OMG is the river changing its course?, and TREE! Tree happened when ground became too wet to support continued rooting
1651854;1493941526;mats;appeals to emotion for opposition to trumpcare are peaking
1651855;1493941625;BingoBoingo;Idiocy is like water, it doesn't have a firm peak. Sometime it floods, but the high point is a "crest" not a peak.
1651856;1493941673;BingoBoingo;This is because it is constantly trying to "self level", no standouts among idiots after all
1651857;1493942474;phf;be like water my friend
1651858;1493942525;mats;o god
1651859;1493945056;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's spelled healthfyre
1651860;1493945345;ben_vulpes;in particular i find the "number of insured will decline" line amusing
1651861;1493945354;ben_vulpes;taking as a given that more insured ===== better
1651862;1493945409;mircea_popescu;that was the whole obamacare thing.
1651863;1493945463;mircea_popescu;socialist paradise of the future to be enacted through having more people involved. just like they think the country will fare better, politically, by having more low information voters added to the rolls, and just like clinton genuinely thought the economy will gain by having more black morons with "home ownership". even if it was a purely scriptural matter.
1651864;1493945479;mircea_popescu;this is the ~only belief of the idiot church : more is better.
1651865;1493945502;mircea_popescu;then they go hole themselves up in "exclusive" cul de sacs with bollards and shit.
1651866;1493945536;mircea_popescu;"no child left behind" wasn't supposed to lead to direct, immediate and precipitous tankage of the basic education system.
1651867;1493945564;mircea_popescu;they genuinely imagined, and to this day still hold on to the impacted, unverbalised and unverbalizable belief that "educating" 100% of the horde is like... 2x better than educating 98.8% of it.
1651868;1493945602;mircea_popescu;some strange fyrefestival math like, eating 4 cupcakes = 2400 calories, eating 5 cupcakes = 3500 calories and eating ALL the six cupcakes > 9000 calories. because ALL!
1651869;1493945868;mircea_popescu;this shit isn't in any sense rational. it's not properly speaking belief, like some believe jesus gives a shit about them or whatever, moses turned piss to vinegar. this is more like fatlogic, a convenient and therefore self-perpetuating earworm. whatever the problem, they'll just pretend like it's caused by you know, something somewhere being left behind, like they're playing old sierra quest games.
1651870;1493945943;mircea_popescu;and it's not novel in any sense, either. exact same idiocy documented late 1800s, as per eg https://archive.is/lWBxq#selection-695.430-695.619
1651871;1493945945;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform
1651872;1493945945;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1651873;1493945959;mircea_popescu;how goes alfie
1651874;1493945994;asciilifeform;aalmost done with this here expedition.
1651875;1493946002;ben_vulpes;what have you been up to?
1651876;1493946014;asciilifeform;secular matters
1651877;1493946016;mircea_popescu;auditions for his exclusive rave / festival.
1651878;1493946022;asciilifeform;( wurk )
1651879;1493946027;ben_vulpes;mm
1651880;1493946039;mircea_popescu;lol secular as opposed to cultish ?
1651881;1493946097;asciilifeform;aha. did get to ride on a (i picture) mircea_popescu-grade yacht.
1651882;1493946112;mircea_popescu;o hey. nude sluts ?
1651883;1493946144;asciilifeform;0 sluts. old folx with beards. but, two massive diesels.
1651884;1493946156;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1651870 << if fucked up the reference, meant http://trilema.com/2016/sensitivity-human-rights-democracy/#selection-69.0-73.139
1651885;1493946156;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 00:59 mircea_popescu: and it's not novel in any sense, either. exact same idiocy documented late 1800s, as per eg https://archive.is/lWBxq#selection-695.430-695.619
1651886;1493946180;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, the generator discussion huh
1651887;1493946218;asciilifeform;it blew my mind, i had never before heard of a 'wet muffler', walked around vessel in search of the missing tailpipe...
1651888;1493946225;mircea_popescu;o ya.
1651889;1493946246;mircea_popescu;there's certain advantages to using the grown up version of items
1651890;1493946256;mircea_popescu;like it making sense to deploy the good trims.
1651891;1493946257;asciilifeform;'why doesn't smell like the bulldozer it is? where is it.'
1651892;1493946320;asciilifeform;and it turns out, asciilifeform is entirely immune to seasickness.
1651893;1493946340;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1651894;1493946342;mircea_popescu;you know that's somewhat common in folk with myopia ?
1651895;1493946363;asciilifeform;dunno, i get sick on , e.g., trains
1651896;1493946366;mircea_popescu;it's the far peripheral vision that gets the vagal system all fucked up
1651897;1493946384;asciilifeform;even had the electroshocker gizmo, when i rode the train ( helped! )
1651898;1493946587;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651748 << i tried it exactly once, mircea_popescu probably recalls
1651899;1493946587;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 14:26 shinohai: I don't think I've ever used Cpanel at any point in my internet life.
1651900;1493946595;asciilifeform;it was a horror
1651901;1493946601;asciilifeform;unusable box.
1651902;1493946616;mircea_popescu;lol i recall
1651903;1493946696;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651852 << i'ma have to do a likbez when i get home. mod6 did you even split the ads and adb pieces? ( i pasted them into same paste, for ease of reading )
1651904;1493946696;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing.  It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things.  But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages.  But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
1651905;1493946708;asciilifeform;and incidentally phf did build it .
1651906;1493946732;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in real asia news, https://68.media.tumblr.com/224cbc06ec31a452b533aa4fee6574f4/tumblr_nwwqxzsfMi1u1u4hvo1_500.gif
1651907;1493946774;asciilifeform;but yes, you gotta clean your box of any multiple gnats, unless you have a ~very~ tight control of paths in your shell and make sure that only one at a time is visible
1651908;1493946814;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol!!
1651909;1493946829;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0225860DCE123B51C7C8DEC74F67E219BBD9E6B34A15F6676ECD5F1213549B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1070...5033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '12.46.225.30 (ssh-rsa key from 12.46.225.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1651910;1493946829;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0225860DCE123B51C7C8DEC74F67E219BBD9E6B34A15F6676ECD5F1213549B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '12.46.225.30 (ssh-rsa key from 12.46.225.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1651911;1493946829;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D65BBD0677E0395C5E6E5DCC0255CF05BFC01B71712815526A8C78C542D93045 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.59.149.233 (ssh-rsa key from 50.59.149.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1651912;1493946830;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D65BBD0677E0395C5E6E5DCC0255CF05BFC01B71712815526A8C78C542D93045 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1265...1349 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.59.149.233 (ssh-rsa key from 50.59.149.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1651913;1493946844;mircea_popescu;is it me or is phuctor popping at an increasing rate
1651914;1493946884;asciilifeform;eh sometimes days with 0
1651915;1493946922;mircea_popescu;tri
1651916;1493946923;asciilifeform;i did recently massage the db knobs, slightly increasing the eat speed
1651917;1493946927;mircea_popescu;ah
1651918;1493947205;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651723 >> 'He says inside the building he came across a vault that had been cleared of its contents before the planes struck.'
1651919;1493947205;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 13:07 mircea_popescu: shinohai lulzy, all the "technical trader" explaining away why their idiocy did not work. here, i have a very similar one for you : https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1376503/september-11-cameraman-claims-hes-got-proof-the-george-w-bush-administration-was-behind-terror-attacks/
1651920;1493947221;asciilifeform;iirc there were other witnesses of said vault.
1651921;1493947303;mircea_popescu;ya but how many vaults total ?
1651922;1493947324;asciilifeform;'He says he has the most trouble understanding how World Trade Center 7 collapsed despite suffering no damage.' << this was the cherry on the cake of idiocy usg asked gullible public to swallow.
1651923;1493947348;mircea_popescu;this whole "nefarious AND COMPETENT lizard usg" theory would fare a lot better if it weren;t the case that during ~WELL EXPECTED~ hurricane hit about 500bn in negotiable paper got ruined.
1651924;1493947351;mircea_popescu;you recall that ?
1651925;1493947368;asciilifeform;ruined paper is a win for lizards, not a loss
1651926;1493947424;asciilifeform;it is absolutely never the case that a plebe suddenly no longer owes his mortgage, say, because a paper burned
1651927;1493947440;asciilifeform;whereas the reverse -- always and everywhere.
1651928;1493947464;mircea_popescu;nevermind this tangent. what do you expect was in wtc safe ? paper.
1651929;1493947464;asciilifeform;'oh your bonds burned? fuck off , usg owes you 0 nao'
1651930;1493947473;asciilifeform;gold?
1651931;1493947478;mircea_popescu;nah.
1651932;1493947525;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/01/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-vault-below-ground-zero-silver-and-gold.html ?
1651933;1493947527;mircea_popescu;it's not practical to keep gold in the middle of fucking new york. you ever saw the wtc traffic ?
1651934;1493947543;mircea_popescu;nonsense, by my lights, but whatever.
1651935;1493947563;asciilifeform;and most of usg's claimed/official  reserve lives in nyc still.
1651936;1493947573;asciilifeform;( at least nominally )
1651937;1493947575;mircea_popescu;not in the fucking wtc though.
1651938;1493947598;asciilifeform;in nyc fed.
1651939;1493947628;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that.
1651940;1493947647;asciilifeform;Officially.
1651941;1493947648;mircea_popescu;what, you mean in the museum building at 33 liberty ?
1651942;1493947762;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform
1651943;1493947762;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1651944;1493947772;asciilifeform;'The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms also lost two evidence vaults, according to a spokesman for that agency' << gotta wonder, they dismissed even 1 case?
1651945;1493947802;mircea_popescu;well, the lying chemist resulted in about 600 retrials in boston. coupla hundred walked.
1651946;1493947808;mod6;hai
1651947;1493947817;asciilifeform;heya mod6
1651948;1493947866;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> auditions for his exclusive rave / festival. << ha
1651949;1493947890;mod6;how's the trip alf?
1651950;1493947931;asciilifeform;in some ways interesting.
1651951;1493947935;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651852 << i'ma have to do a likbez when i get home. mod6 did you even split the ads and adb pieces? ( i pasted them into same paste, for ease of reading ) << yup. that was the first thing I encountered. but indeed, much easier to read.
1651952;1493947935;a111;Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing.  It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things.  But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages.  But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
1651953;1493947947;danielpbarron;there's pretty substantial evidence that the WTC buildings were destroyed with a "directed energy weapon"
1651954;1493947968;mircea_popescu;what's a directed energy weapon ?
1651955;1493947986;mod6;and that's the main thing. i really care about trying to fit it in head, as opposed to "compiler" concerns at this time with ffa.  however, my other little sample shits i've been trying to make are probably going to go a lot better now that i have a 'sane' environment.
1651956;1493947991;asciilifeform;what ~isn't~ one ?
1651957;1493948001;asciilifeform;even knife, qualifies
1651958;1493948001;danielpbarron;focusing electromagnetic beams in some sort of static field
1651959;1493948007;mircea_popescu;well, supposedly revoler, directed matter weapon ? i dunno
1651960;1493948013;danielpbarron;that would be a kinetic weapon
1651961;1493948017;*;asciilifeform bangs head on desk
1651962;1493948022;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron did you bother with the math on that ?
1651963;1493948064;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, did you ever see my q for ya in #trilema-mod6?
1651964;1493948073;asciilifeform;nope
1651965;1493948079;mod6;hope it didn't make you puke or whatever, was just curious...
1651966;1493948088;mod6;so. ok.
1651967;1493948098;asciilifeform;gonna have to check the logs.
1651968;1493948111;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, no. did you do the math on jet fuel?
1651969;1493948113;mircea_popescu;or for that matter the practical details. what's a MW laser look like, cost, what's it sound like when it goes, why would i say "nah, pulsed" as it were obvious in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628600
1651970;1493948113;a111;Logged on 2017-03-17 04:04 mircea_popescu: eh ffs, what sustained. pulse.
1651971;1493948116;mircea_popescu;stuff like that.
1651972;1493948173;mircea_popescu;well yes, as a matter of fact i keep doing that math. it keeps coming up here, about how a liter of gasoline is 1.5 MJ and there ain't no electric battery even come close etc.
1651973;1493948208;mod6;asciilifeform: it's here http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-5-2#084fcaeb-3165-47f6-a8d2-ab029ac3adbb
1651974;1493948293;mod6;basically, I was just wondering about the verbage there and how I aught to "distill"; my first inclination was to go two bytes at a time, xor them together, output 1 byte.   but then after sleeping on it, and a search of "xor in place", i thought maybe it meant to take: 0A0B and swap to 0B0A.
1651975;1493948303;danielpbarron;if jet fuel, why wasn't there a million tons of debris at ground zero? why wasn't there any significant seismic activity?
1651976;1493948323;mod6;After doing such, I have a hard time thinking how that would be cryptographically helpful.  So perhaps the former is correct?  Just looking for a heads up.
1651977;1493948328;mircea_popescu;standard kerosene is 46MJ/kg. the boeing carries about 63k liters, and kerosene density is about .82
1651978;1493948344;mircea_popescu;!~calc 46 * 63 * .82
1651979;1493948344;asciilifeform;mod6: xor is the 1 operation where entropy is guaranteed-additive ( supposing the two items are independent! X xor X = 0 ! )
1651980;1493948349;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 46 * 63 * .82 = 2376.3599999999997
1651981;1493948358;mircea_popescu;2.3 TJ.
1651982;1493948432;mod6;asciilifeform: even in the case of a swap?
1651983;1493948440;mircea_popescu;what's a swap ?
1651984;1493948449;asciilifeform;what swap
1651985;1493948464;mod6;my being dumb, the second time around.
1651986;1493948474;asciilifeform;this has 0 to do with the swap trick in ffa, mod6
1651987;1493948496;asciilifeform;xor, realize, has many uses.
1651988;1493948514;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/R51WR/?raw=true
1651989;1493948527;mod6;sorry, don't mean to confuse with ffa
1651990;1493948530;mod6;this is for FG
1651991;1493948546;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i take the laser because notwithstanding the ample lossage generally discussed as "slope efficiency", photon beams are the most efficient em "weapons". actual ion beams are even worse than the 3-5%ish laser. so you know, someone somewhere had to burn 50 TJ or so to deliver the same effect, plus whatever the intervening air ate up. you know how air looks if traversed by a TJ laser ?
1651992;1493948552;mod6;at the end of the page it says "distill a days worth of entropy and xor in place"
1651993;1493948563;mod6;just trying to find out if im doing that right
1651994;1493948579;mod6;nevermind, just hit me up when you're bck
1651995;1493948605;asciilifeform;mod6: it means that you need B bytes, but you collect x*B, and xor them over a B-sized buffer
1651996;1493948610;trinque;"directed energy weapon" is a whole other level of strange
1651997;1493948614;trinque;I had not heard that particular tinfoil
1651998;1493948633;danielpbarron;it wasn't a laser. it was some thing that causes a sort of cold fusion that turns atoms into other atoms, and causes atoms and molecules to repel eachother. it caused the buildings to turn to dust mid-air
1651999;1493948647;trinque;the thing was demo'd.
1652000;1493948657;danielpbarron;there is a woman named Judy Wood who came up with this theory, and she has a lot of evidence to back it up
1652001;1493948663;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what part of the picture was inconsistent with good old dynamite?
1652002;1493948668;trinque;like any other structure that collapsed into footprint
1652003;1493948680;asciilifeform;^
1652004;1493948694;asciilifeform;the 'martian deathray' folx -- serve usg.
1652005;1493948710;mircea_popescu;tecnically, i suppose fuel-air bombs are "directed [thermal] energy", for a very weak specification of "directed"
1652006;1493948721;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, lack of explosions, lack of debris, toasted cars on the ground away from where they could have been hit by things-- and toasted not by fire but something else. witnesses saw them spontaneously combust
1652007;1493948743;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron cold fusion tends to leave very specific residue however.
1652008;1493948751;danielpbarron;tritium, yes that was found
1652009;1493948752;mircea_popescu;not that much lithium snow in new york the next day.
1652010;1493948783;mircea_popescu;tritium results from hydrogen cold fusion, theoretically. what hydrogen ?
1652011;1493948812;danielpbarron;isn't there hydrogen in the air?
1652012;1493948817;mircea_popescu;not in this sense, no.
1652013;1493948834;mircea_popescu;there's water in the air. but hydrogen, even lighter than helium, tends to either react or run off.
1652014;1493948869;mircea_popescu;you can't really cold-fuse water's hydrogens, because the tightly bound oxygen works as a sort of equivalent of a moderator.
1652015;1493948882;danielpbarron;i don't know, but the levels of tritium at ground zero were much higher than what you'd expect
1652016;1493948906;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: tritium is a gas at stp
1652017;1493948918;asciilifeform;just like regular old H
1652018;1493948928;mircea_popescu;also flammable yes.
1652019;1493948965;asciilifeform;and you won't find measurable qty of either in outdoor atmosphere.
1652020;1493948977;mircea_popescu;ah, depends with what you measure.
1652021;1493949028;mircea_popescu;can now and again see a line, gets 2nd year physicists all excited.
1652022;1493949035;danielpbarron;the effects of this weapon go on long after it as been deactivated. there was a building near the WTC that suffered minimal damage and was repaired, only to be demolished months later because the structure rotted. the metal looked as if it had been submerged in the ocean for a century
1652023;1493949069;mircea_popescu;ok, but you're aware this is not really how radiation works. there's no electromagnetic linger.
1652024;1493949093;mircea_popescu;actually, that's the principal distinction between "matter" and "energy" as intuitively understood. matter sticks around. energy does not.
1652025;1493949097;mircea_popescu;photon rest mass is 0 for a reason.
1652026;1493949274;asciilifeform;mod6: see logs, 'xor lemma'
1652027;1493949298;asciilifeform;mod6: i'ma post example when i get back to cockpit
1652028;1493949334;mod6;no problem.
1652029;1493949342;mod6;it can wait.
1652030;1493949382;shinohai;So there is this chick that calls herself "Lil Wafarin" on twitter sent me a message. When I casually asked why she chose rat poison as her nom de guerre, she goes ballistic.
1652031;1493949443;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at "endoscopy ? i love endoscopy!" camp, https://68.media.tumblr.com/67bc762d294ac3d279059aa8e7a3c511/tumblr_nuu3mpB1qT1uwm5r1o1_500.gif
1652032;1493949527;mircea_popescu;shinohai were you being disrespectful of her roots ?
1652033;1493949577;shinohai;!!Up asciilifeform
1652034;1493949577;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1652035;1493949599;shinohai;Nah least I didn't consider it disrespectful. I was genuinely curious.
1652036;1493949641;shinohai;Perhaps she is a serial killer that uses Coumadin to poison her victims.
1652037;1493949649;shinohai;Quien sabe.
1652038;1493949720;*;asciilifeform bbl - tomorrow. 
1652039;1493950257;mod6;later
1652040;1493950508;mircea_popescu;oh yeah, totally forgot to gloat. so today on highway going to town, crash in front of me. then on the way back... crash in front of me. this one actually made traffic crawl, so i told the driver to switch lanes. because he wasn't going in the faster one.
1652041;1493950517;mircea_popescu;the lane i told him to switch to ? stayed fast. so THERE!
1652042;1493954197;mod6;nice!
1652043;1493954209;mod6;sounds like you dodged a kid on a bike the other day too.
1652044;1493954219;mircea_popescu;passively!
1652045;1493954223;mod6;damn bikes!
1652046;1493954293;mircea_popescu;i suspect kid was trying to impress attendant slavegirl.
1652047;1493954480;mod6;ahh. trying to showboat found him a strategically placed hydrant.
1652048;1493954495;mod6;lifes lessons aha
1652049;1493954505;mircea_popescu;hey, sort of like sidewalk's penis.
1652050;1493954535;mod6;ya, very much.  there's one on every street!
1652051;1493954570;mircea_popescu;lel
1652052;1493954665;mod6;i bet the switchbacks were brutal on that hike 'eh?
1652053;1493954706;mircea_popescu;they can't be arsed with switchbacks here. fuck it they say, make it 25% and let you drive in 1st for a few hours, what of it.
1652054;1493954708;mircea_popescu;good for the engine!
1652055;1493954730;mircea_popescu;you ever saw "4x4" choke to death on asphalt ?
1652056;1493954765;mircea_popescu;just couldn't get enough torque to get its fat ass up the grade. period.
1652057;1493954855;mod6;wow.  no, can't say that I have.
1652058;1493954877;mircea_popescu;they have some hills here that if it even lightly frosted, it'd just be farewell to arms
1652059;1493954879;mircea_popescu;and legs.
1652060;1493954885;mod6;heheh.
1652061;1493954907;mircea_popescu;they'd just have a bunch of disparate torsos collected in the valley.
1652062;1493954944;mod6;i'd imagine that it'd be crazy.
1652063;1493954961;mircea_popescu;even water slick is VERY problematic.
1652064;1493954962;mod6;i suppose even with the rains it's pretty bad
1652065;1493954969;mod6;ya
1652066;1493954971;mircea_popescu;rains daily, see ? and if you start sliding there's nothing.
1652067;1493954991;mircea_popescu;just no fucking way, stop on the first ravine.
1652068;1493955004;mod6;there a fair amount of mudslides/erosion?
1652069;1493955015;mircea_popescu;yes.
1652070;1493955031;mircea_popescu;they build walls and shit to contain it, and are very good with trench gutters, foot deep etc.
1652071;1493955035;mircea_popescu;but still.
1652072;1493955067;mod6;sure.
1652073;1493955077;mircea_popescu;fortunately the soil isn't very good. if it were the rich black stuff, that sucks a lot of water, forget about it.
1652074;1493955087;mircea_popescu;but mostly jungle crap, not so soaky.
1652075;1493955089;mod6;sure, more sand like then?
1652076;1493955096;mircea_popescu;sand/clay sorta thing.
1652077;1493955111;mod6;ah.  what's the power situation like?  do they lose power often during the rain?
1652078;1493955117;mod6;take a while to get it back on?
1652079;1493955195;mircea_popescu;nah. it's pretty dirty but hey, you get inverters etc. otherwise, no, outage may be 10 minutes or such. they're just very serious, diligent people, drive up the hill fix it.
1652080;1493955220;mod6;that seems reasonable.
1652081;1493955226;*;mircea_popescu likes ticos.
1652082;1493955240;mircea_popescu;way the fuck better than argentina, i'll tell you that. those idiots... god help them.
1652083;1493955262;mod6;good to hear.
1652084;1493955274;mod6;i think you had all you could stand of that place.
1652085;1493955280;mircea_popescu;just about.
1652086;1493955293;trinque;yeah, I found 'em friendly, helpful, and you could joke with them
1652087;1493955301;trinque;no air of "someone's about to get offended"
1652088;1493955311;trinque;which sad that this was noteworthy to me, but was
1652089;1493955334;mircea_popescu;haven't seen good salesmen for a long while pre coming back here. you know that, BOTH a) not be obnoxious and b) talk to you. not one, or the other. fucking both.
1652090;1493955411;mircea_popescu;mod6 i wasn't here for it, but one opf the places, tree fell over brought down power grid. ticoswarm, power back on 2 hrs later.
1652091;1493955442;mod6;ah, nice
1652092;1493955477;mircea_popescu;~the inner limit for what something like that can reasonably take, i figure. so... yeah.
1652093;1493955595;mod6;hell, sometimes a storm can come through here, knock down lines; the tree guys might have to clear debris, power guys gotta hook up new equip and lines, can take ~12-24 hours
1652094;1493955595;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> standard kerosene is 46MJ/kg. the boeing carries about 63k liters, and kerosene density is about .82 << Aha, this seems to be a source of common misunderstanding. That Jet fuel is a kerosene "heating oil" and not a gasoline exploding oil
1652095;1493955713;mircea_popescu;aha. because turbine not boomegine, but whatever.
1652096;1493955736;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> So there is this chick that calls herself "Lil Wafarin" on twitter sent me a message. When I casually asked why she chose rat poison as her nom de guerre, she goes ballistic. << BwAHAHAHAHAHAH
1652097;1493955751;mod6;when i first moved into this place, the huge silver-maple tree was touching the high-wire during a storm.  the branch actually caught fire in the rain.  started to spread down the branch quite a ways...
1652098;1493955770;mod6;i was like "well... umm... tree is ON FIRE... so call fire dept?"
1652099;1493955793;mircea_popescu;live tree ?
1652100;1493955812;mod6;so, did, they came and kept an eye on it until it went out on its own.  but next day, they came and trimmed off the back half of the tree to clear for the line.
1652101;1493955841;mod6;yah live tree.  still is huge monstrosity in my back yard.
1652102;1493955850;mircea_popescu;pretty hardcore
1652103;1493956291;mod6;sounds like these highlines for residential service are somewhere between 300-600 volts
1652104;1493971364;jurov;iirc in murica the lines have like 1-2kV and everyone has own transformer?
1652105;1493984340;Framedragger;new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
1652106;1493984374;Framedragger;also not sure how easy it'd be to do the "have JS run, then save the resulting no-JS snapshot" thing (for having properly rendered copies without JS in them.)
1652107;1493988358;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652105 << can make your own tools for as long as you can live with them. the output is sane ?
1652108;1493988358;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 11:39 Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
1652109;1493995215;trinque;Framedragger: iirc archive.is uses headless webkit
1652110;1493995230;trinque;why did you skip over wget -R ?
1652111;1493995512;mod6;mornin'
1652112;1493997062;mircea_popescu;no js ?
1652113;1493997167;BingoBoingo;In other idiotgeneering, Neighbors on the other side of the Mississippi are bitching and moaning about "OMG, towns [a,b,c] have had second 500 year flood in 18 months!!!" meanwhile only marginalized commentators are raising the issue of "Why did we let the Chesterfield valley get levees and suburbs?" Apparently people raising the issue that building levees for new construction turns meandring floods into energetic and giant log flume rid
1652114;1493997168;BingoBoingo;es are the ones who don't know how the world works...
1652115;1493997262;trinque;mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
1652116;1493997268;mircea_popescu;hey, us public discourse is == marketing talk, and there's no marketing benefit in pointing out "real estate" is neither real nor valuavble.
1652117;1493997270;trinque;* wget -r
1652118;1493997280;mircea_popescu;trinque yes but not process and render it, is the thinking
1652119;1493997296;trinque;ah if one wants some kind of preview before loading the archived site, yes, can't get that
1652120;1493997325;mircea_popescu;i thought one only wants the previews.
1652121;1493997444;mircea_popescu;why would anyone save the ajax pile of bullshit. "modern" web dev has no place in the present let alone to be preserved for the future.
1652122;1493997486;trinque;certainly not.
1652123;1493997498;trinque;so archive.is waits for the DOM to render, then what, serializes that back to HTML?
1652124;1493997508;mircea_popescu;it appears so
1652125;1493997529;trinque;got it; was trying to understand why have a browser involved in the archiving
1652126;1493997534;trinque;I don't run JS in either case
1652127;1493997540;mircea_popescu;to get rid of usg idiot party
1652128;1493997579;mircea_popescu;heck, if everyone forgot how to "web 2.0" tomorrow, this'd be a greater gain for human culture than the discovery of fucking penicillin.
1652129;1493997600;trinque;sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted
1652130;1493997607;trinque;will want to consider that as he puts things where
1652131;1493998396;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-1-sorry/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 1 - Sorry.
1652132;1493999835;BingoBoingo;Oh my, Pam's going to find some dick with initiative!
1652133;1494004379;trinque;Framedragger: https://github.com/o2platform/chrome-repl << ever see this? might be a way to snag teh html tag's outerHTML
1652134;1494005210;trinque;ah you know what, that wasn't even the thing
1652135;1494005220;*;trinque trying to recall whatever he used to jack chrome into emacs
1652136;1494005395;trinque;https://chromedevtools.github.io/devtools-protocol/ << was some elisp that ate from this
1652137;1494005623;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! anyone who noticed that his trb wire to dulap dropped last night -- the thing was rebooted (without my permission) ~13 hours ago.
1652138;1494006016;shinohai;wb asciilifeform
1652139;1494006058;asciilifeform;ty shinohai
1652140;1494006201;ben_vulpes;oh interesting, asciilifeform
1652141;1494006217;ben_vulpes;that wouldn't lead to a node pegging 100% cpu, would it?
1652142;1494006282;BingoBoingo;In other news, Canada is trying to start a Dairy trade war with US\
1652143;1494006328;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not afaik
1652144;1494006372;ben_vulpes;didn't think so.
1652145;1494006378;ben_vulpes;A MYSTERY
1652146;1494006795;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652115 << trinque -- not only does this mean that you (reader) are stuck with executing js - but also that it can DYNAMICALLY load turdolade from the original www (which may or may not still be there, or be the same as before)
1652147;1494006795;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 15:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
1652148;1494006817;asciilifeform;so wget and any similar mechanism, is quite worthless for archiving hostile www.
1652149;1494008326;trinque;nonsense.
1652150;1494008356;trinque;and removing those tags > running the thing through a giant wad of browser
1652151;1494008375;trinque;if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
1652152;1494008417;trinque;supposing someone does want to read, sure, doing this is the only means
1652153;1494008459;ben_vulpes;how is one to hoist the morons upon their own words if they're only legible with js?
1652154;1494008489;trinque;man I don't want to read every livejournal before condemning
1652155;1494008507;trinque;the nuremberg that lasted eternity
1652156;1494008583;ben_vulpes;and when nate silver tires of the archiving of his bad predictions?
1652157;1494008601;trinque;!#s enumerating badness
1652158;1494008602;a111;11 results for "enumerating badness", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=enumerating%20badness
1652159;1494008660;ben_vulpes;we possibly speak past each other.
1652160;1494008778;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << ~whole point is to archive völkischer beobachter et al. the folx who work day and night to make it difficult.
1652161;1494008778;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
1652162;1494008807;asciilifeform;otherwise 'unhappening' is far too easy.
1652163;1494008920;trinque;I guess I remain unconvinced that I ever gained anything paying attention to them
1652164;1494008934;trinque;but am not prepared to argue that's the general case
1652165;1494008944;asciilifeform;not as such
1652166;1494008964;asciilifeform;but to pay attention to the specific pattern of what is lied about -- gained, yes.
1652167;1494008984;asciilifeform;this is quite difficult without archiving.
1652168;1494009414;trinque;I see a bias of my own here, towards tuning out noise.
1652169;1494009432;trinque;the archiving of them is indeed relevant to the historian
1652170;1494009453;trinque;for archiving the few sane folks in same time period, no js required
1652171;1494009556;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/upCny/?raw=true << makefile. this will work everywhere but crapple, where static linking is entirely dead. ( will work there also if you discard the relevant flags. )
1652172;1494009557;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1652173;1494009632;asciilifeform;subdir 'bin' must exist.
1652174;1494009659;asciilifeform;this also gives you automagic flymake support in emacs
1652175;1494009712;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tBbGD/?raw=true << well, not quite automatic, you need this in your .emacs .
1652176;1494009744;asciilifeform;^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^
1652177;1494009746;ben_vulpes;from the void: https://perma.cc/
1652178;1494009762;asciilifeform;lol another heathen deedbot.
1652179;1494009791;asciilifeform;'supporting partners' 'cloudflare' 'harvard'
1652180;1494009807;asciilifeform;and of course archive.org ( why does usg need TWO of these ? )
1652181;1494009822;trinque;diversity strengthens us (and fattens the budget)
1652182;1494009839;asciilifeform;mod6: lemme know if you have questions re the makefile. you will notice that there are multiple knobs.
1652183;1494010018;mod6;ok will look in just a sec here.
1652184;1494010020;mod6;thanks asciilifeform
1652185;1494010047;asciilifeform;that ain't all :
1652186;1494010053;asciilifeform;there is another util, called gprbuild
1652187;1494010073;asciilifeform;it comes with adacore's gnat, but with the vanilla gnu one, you gotta build it by hand
1652188;1494010077;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/H2ASf/?raw=true << example of how to use it.
1652189;1494010084;asciilifeform;it displaces gnumake entirely
1652190;1494010091;asciilifeform;in favour of a more intelligent, ada-specific thing
1652191;1494010116;asciilifeform;see official docs for what all of the knobs do, my paste only shows the very basic ones.
1652192;1494010560;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, so that's what it was.
1652193;1494010589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rhezw/?raw=true << very helpful professional isp, i'm like... "oh, MY SERVER. that's unambiguous enough."
1652194;1494010639;ben_vulpes;psh why would anyone ever need more than one server
1652195;1494010649;ben_vulpes;just containerize everything you do
1652196;1494010661;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << people making fun of morons, for instance.
1652197;1494010661;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
1652198;1494010689;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i ordered a kubinetes book but got instead an ikea box.
1652199;1494010791;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: are you thick? it comes with instructions
1652200;1494010802;ben_vulpes;just bolt the jet to the submarine
1652201;1494010824;mircea_popescu;yes but it put together a maschinengewehr 42 when i followed wthem
1652202;1494010863;ben_vulpes;oh that's odd
1652203;1494010884;ben_vulpes;are you sure you're reading the romanian instructions and not the argentine ones?
1652204;1494010904;ben_vulpes;also have you tried rebooting your cardboard
1652205;1494010912;mircea_popescu;it's all in broken pigdin anyway
1652206;1494010965;ben_vulpes;oh there's your problem, the broken pigeons hold it all together
1652207;1494010987;mircea_popescu;i see ty for help a+++ would quora again.
1652208;1494011000;ben_vulpes;plz rate if this answered your problem
1652209;1494011007;mircea_popescu;!!rate ben_vulpes
1652210;1494011009;ben_vulpes;mark as resolved
1652211;1494011216;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems odd, the phrasing, 'a network segment associated with your server', as if only the lan had gone down
1652212;1494011222;asciilifeform;( whereas in fact entire box did )
1652213;1494011243;mircea_popescu;i don't expect by now there's any relation whatsoever between the mouth-like organ and the arm-like organ of the vaguely organised amoeba colony.
1652214;1494011258;asciilifeform;i thought this was a vaguely-sane d00d, not amoeba...
1652215;1494011259;mircea_popescu;i broadly inferred that "something happened".
1652216;1494011269;mircea_popescu;!#s cherry servers
1652217;1494011270;a111;1 result for "cherry servers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cherry%20servers
1652218;1494011287;mircea_popescu;odd, figured prominently in the previous "we need isp" installment.
1652219;1494011386;trinque;could've been power outage and network segment refers to area of DC
1652220;1494011540;mircea_popescu;on the strenght of the text as it is could just as well been guywith molotov for the same money.
1652221;1494011553;asciilifeform;aha, anything from tripped cable to asteroid
1652222;1494013722;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^  << aha. thx.
1652223;1494013730;mod6;fwiw, i don't emacs or whatever it is.
1652224;1494013746;mod6;but, let's not worry about that for now, i got a working env on my side.
1652225;1494014986;*;shinohai doesn't emacs either so all of last thread was lost on him.
1652226;1494015114;asciilifeform;shinohai: makefile for static binary.
1652227;1494015135;asciilifeform;( everything else -- extras )
1652228;1494015413;asciilifeform;https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/exile-rather-than-servitude-the-english-leave-for-constantinople << in unrelated olds. lulzy www , generally.  reminds that not all liberasts are illiterate, even today.
1652229;1494017369;mircea_popescu;"people matter more than power" eh ?
1652230;1494017374;mircea_popescu;what fucking people.
1652231;1494020878;mod6;Hi all: Ok 3rd run of entropy collection & `ent` & `dieharder` tests are done on FG #3: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run3.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run3.txt
1652232;1494020885;mod6;On to FG #4...
1652233;1494020929;mod6;asciilifeform: hey!! Thanks for the makefile :]
1652234;1494021989;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fella's a bit fixated on normal conquest, berber slavers, conscripted sailors. might even be a candidate for one of your cuckold stories.
1652235;1494022000;asciilifeform;*norman conquest, lol
1652236;1494022016;asciilifeform;pretty well read , overall, which is rare for the type
1652237;1494024886;mircea_popescu;he;'s basically interested into losers BECAUSE losers.
1652238;1494024987;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in chicago, http://68.media.tumblr.com/754d603234af5c2572e04173e28223a4/tumblr_ntdlsjAmgA1utyzkko1_500.gif
1652239;1494027267;asciilifeform;paging BingoBoingo !11
1652240;1494027482;BingoBoingo;The obeast's toes are out of frame for a reason http://www.podiatrytoday.com/files/pt12tma1_1.png
1652241;1494027556;BingoBoingo;And apparently US DOJ refuses to yeild to Trumpreich orders re:"What's a body of water?"
1652242;1494028028;asciilifeform;'This is what nobles do. The Duke of This or the Baron of That, the King of France or the Holy Roman Emperor, they called themselves warriors but actually they were just armed and heavily armoured thugs. If they weren’t leading their men up the hill to their death, they were leading them in the slaughter of the enemy. Sometimes in these battles the nobles died too. But in the middle-ages, in the so-called Age of Chivalry, while the
1652243;1494028028;asciilifeform;y expected the common soldiers, their ‘men’, to be slaughtered without mercy, they expected that if they themselves were facing defeat they would be able to ‘yield’, to be taken prisoner, to be treated honourably while awaiting the collection of a huge ransom paid for their release. The ransom money of course had to be ground out of their ever-suffering tenants and serfs back at home.' << lulzy
1652244;1494028038;asciilifeform;( https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/the-grand-old-duke-of-york-he-slaughtered-ten-thousand-men-2 )
1652245;1494028334;asciilifeform;more typical yet, https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/dont-sit-like-melvyn-bragg >> 'I for one have the utmost respect for Churchill as a war leader, but what about Churchill as an aristocrat? What about his wealthy and privileged background? Where did the wealth to build Blenheim Palace come from? What had his ancestor John Churchill, The Duke of Marlborough, done to deserve it? Who were his victims?'
1652246;1494028437;asciilifeform;i actually find orwell quite considerably less outrageous than linked d00d. in the time of o it was at least possible to imagine the commoners whom, if, e.g., churchill, had not eaten, might have 'done great things'. but today ?
1652247;1494028447;asciilifeform;when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ?
1652248;1494028654;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ? << Or local news bitching about how they plan to rebuilt their thrice washed out property, because apparently the watershed that took everything from you thrice did not bring enough pain to negate "good memories at the old house(s)"
1652249;1494028662;BingoBoingo;Flood insurance reform now
1652250;1494028676;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why not houses on stilts, as in vietnam ??
1652251;1494028700;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Those exist in saner river proximity construction
1652252;1494028728;BingoBoingo;Instead the vermin bitch and moan that the nest they keep building in the culvert keeps washing away
1652253;1494028746;BingoBoingo;We're going to need bigger conibears
1652254;1494028894;BingoBoingo;This is exactly vermin behavior of the same sort asciilifeform observed when he saw squirrels hapily munching nuts while resting on dead squirrels
1652255;1494028903;*;BingoBoingo thinks that was alf's story
1652256;1494028919;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it was in a linked video from hunters
1652257;1494028929;BingoBoingo;ah
1652258;1494029148;asciilifeform;https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/murder-fines-and-proving-englishry << iraq of the 1000s !
1652259;1494029286;asciilifeform;'the murdrum fine did not extend to any Englishman who was murdered. The law was explicitly introduced to help deter the English from murdering their Norman French conquerors and to punish the English community when they did so. If a Norman lord could prove that the person murdered was English he would avoid paying the fine. This became known as the ‘Presentment of Englishry’ and was not abolished until the late fourteenth centur
1652260;1494029286;asciilifeform;y.'
1652261;1494031857;mod6;just made this amazing venison & porkbutt burger w blue cheese.
1652262;1494031909;mod6;it's hard to do venison right, but when it's good, it's really good.
1652263;1494032037;mircea_popescu;what duke of this called himself "a warrior" and what the holy fuck, i thought this guy was supposed to be literate ? wtf happened at, say, agincourt ?
1652264;1494032154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reddit commoner existed in the time of orwell just as well.
1652265;1494032250;mircea_popescu;mod6 i had cashew paste (little butter, hint of balsamic, fenilgreek and tarragon) salmon. with a very fine bottle of chianti. just waking up from the food coma.
1652266;1494032278;mod6;wow. that sounds awesome too.
1652267;1494032302;mircea_popescu;yes, but who were our victims ? we call ourselves web developers (we do ?) but what about all the wealth and priviledge ?!?!?!
1652268;1494032320;mircea_popescu;shmucky mcschmuckson has the utmost respect for us as novel writers, note.
1652269;1494032637;asciilifeform;lol
1652270;1494032672;mircea_popescu;marlborough palace, he fucking found it.
1652271;1494032718;mircea_popescu;guy brought back the whole of the spanish colonial empire, england indian-gifted him a shitty palace.
1652272;1494032749;mircea_popescu;possibly the best piece re englishittery, that story. the normans were fucking right and truly should have exterminated that most miserable race.
1652273;1494032764;mircea_popescu;well, latin idea originally, but anyway. latins couldn't bring themselves to care. i can readily see why.
1652274;1494032894;mircea_popescu;anyway. three fucking kings did john, duke of marlborough make. just like warwick centuries prior.
1652275;1494034078;shinohai;http://archive.is/NK7PT   <<< Clitler Deja-Vu
1652276;1494034097;mircea_popescu;lmao
1652277;1494039141;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-2-as-chance-had-it/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 2 - As chance had it.
1652278;1494042823;*;danielpbarron made fettuccine and cheese sauce with broccoli and chicken
1652279;1494045488;mircea_popescu;aite, that sold me. ima make pasta in white sauce tomorrow.
1652280;1494047723;BingoBoingo;Sam will have the asian style noodles in cuck sauce
1652281;1494079207;shinohai;Happy World Naked Gardening Day BingoBoingo .... I trust you will celebrate in style.
1652282;1494091378;mircea_popescu;o wow they have that ?
1652283;1494091460;mircea_popescu;(unlike eg "biking naked", gardening naked makes a lot of sense. skin washes better than any garment, which is why sane societies have kids under 10 or so in the buff. way the fuck better to step on the anglotard notions of "pudicity" than to crimp the kids' style.)
1652284;1494091712;*;shinohai is all for any holiday that involves nudity.,,,
1652285;1494091847;mircea_popescu;and holy shit what the fuck IS EVEN THE POINT of spell checkers. today it says pudicity is misspelled, yesterday it said vagal is misspelled, day before that earworm was misspelled, and unverbalizable and paddlings, and slavegirl and peni and snuck for fuck's sake. and on it fucking goes.
1652286;1494091888;mircea_popescu;this isn't even counting the failures of pretense, like supposedly chinese is misspelled because hey, gotta have capital, or organised is misspelled because hey, somebody cares what harvard thinks.
1652287;1494091930;mircea_popescu;basically it's 95% fail hits, most because no vocabulary. i don't think it'd pass the baccalaureate. wtf is wrong with people
1652288;1494092043;shinohai;I agree .... I use aspell with a custom dictionary it is so bad.
1652289;1494092093;mircea_popescu;terrible.
1652290;1494092272;mircea_popescu;and we're not even talking about the cases where the writer ISN'T FUCKING MONOLINGUAL like some sort of esl mongoloid. good luck with that.
1652291;1494092326;mircea_popescu;possibly the poster child of ustardation, the spellchecker. "it helps" by resolving the 80% of the problem, which shouldn't even exist, because the sort of people whom it helps have no fucking business writing anything ever in any case.
1652292;1494092387;mircea_popescu;let chucka be reader, not writer.
1652293;1494093093;lobbes;<mircea_popescu> [17:38:46] possibly the poster child of ustardation, the spellchecker << somewhat-related lulzy ad. "Are your customer service monkeys illiterate? There's an app for that!11" >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak-Y56SfkS0
1652294;1494093247;mircea_popescu;heh
1652295;1494093517;mircea_popescu;diana_coman mine's been working on, i'm already at 6/50 clicks done!
1652296;1494096761;mircea_popescu;!!reputation mihi
1652297;1494096762;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FsHOh/?raw=true
1652298;1494096925;diana_coman;!!rate mihi 1 Wrote a Wireshark dissector script for Eulora protocol.
1652299;1494096926;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XlEGX/?raw=true
1652300;1494096927;mircea_popescu;!!rate mihi 1 can pcap. see also http://schierlm.users.sourceforge.net/
1652301;1494096929;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9MHzy/?raw=true
1652302;1494096972;diana_coman;!!v 2E7203DA9FFA6CA86D3D77BFFCA5057EEDA27E28DDED45E97B3737492282282A
1652303;1494096973;deedbot;diana_coman rated mihi 1 << Wrote a Wireshark dissector script for Eulora protocol.
1652304;1494098661;mats;https://www.nostarch.com/gtfo
1652305;1494104862;phf`;some mission impossible shit right there, up yourself in 30 seconds (no gpg automation!) before the nickserv force change non-identified nick
1652306;1494104985;phf`;since wireshark parser in question wasn't mentioned in logs, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-06.log.html#t18:35:42
1652307;1494104985;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-05-06 18:35:42: <mihi> wrote a (pretty incomplete) Wireshark dissector script for the Eulora protocol, if anybody is interested: https://gist.github.com/schierlm/a10b89e011f8baf646cb0cb674a48241
1652308;1494105785;mircea_popescu;phf` it's easy if you're used to it.
1652309;1494105981;phf`;i feel like i have to do it roughly once a year, in fact, every time freenode changes their ssl. i listened to the advice of the wise this time and switched to plain text
1652310;1494106276;mircea_popescu;there is a problem with long lived connections. what if you lose the terminal ?
1652311;1494106496;phf`;right
1652312;1494106629;phf`;perhaps i could make the bouncer !!down after some time, when there's no client connection (similar to how right now it sets an Away)
1652313;1494106685;mircea_popescu;or set a timer or whatever.
1652314;1494106748;phf`;i take it, you don't use a bouncer, it's a long running xchat from your bunker?
1652315;1494106795;mircea_popescu;nah.
1652316;1494106828;mircea_popescu;but i certainly don't delegate the authority to some bouncer. wtf is this, the chinese imperial court ?
1652317;1494107013;phf`;this is a proper house of lords, there's a quorum, but most of the "present" members are "asleep"
1652318;1494107112;mircea_popescu;well, you always gotta strike a balance. if you keep people physically in a room to listen to what you say as youi say it, they will go mad. they're present in a specific sort of ghost form.
1652319;1494107441;diana_coman;phf`, fwiw I am reading and I usually do; however, I tend to not talk much
1652320;1494107507;phf`;oh i agree, i just thought an irc bouncer as an empty shell painted to look like the owner is amusing, or perhaps an aging lord dosing off
1652321;1494107564;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1652322;1494107570;phf`;a half empty hall, with old lords, most of them asleep or otherwise engaged in completely unrelated activities, etc.
1652323;1494107588;mircea_popescu;really, it's everyone's own and arbitrary job to keep the thing running in such a way as to not come to regret it later.
1652324;1494107819;mircea_popescu;which incidentally is the ACTUAL golden rule. forget zamak that usually passes for it in the mouths of slaves. the rule is, "do so as to not come to regret doing."
1652325;1494107857;mircea_popescu;there's no space for "others", or complicated java-style functions with no explicit domain and no static compilation.
1652326;1494117288;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1652327;1494117341;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> (unlike eg "biking naked", gardening naked makes a lot of sense. skin washes better than any garment, which is why sane societies have kids under 10 or so in the buff. way the fuck better to step on the anglotard notions of "pudicity" than to crimp the kids' style.) << Notice naked gardening day is not during blackberry harvesting season
1652328;1494117588;BingoBoingo;Apparently Macaroon in France got hacked just in time for ballots to be cast.
1652329;1494118566;mircea_popescu;macaron with cheese.
1652330;1494128276;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1652332;1494128365;mod6;Good Evening TMSR~
1652333;1494128471;BingoBoingo;good evening mod6
1652334;1494128566;mod6;how you doin BB?
1652335;1494128688;mod6;you pasta sounded good.
1652336;1494128712;mod6;tonight I had another Venison & blue cheese burger... this time I did the heating slightly different.
1652337;1494128723;mod6;still, was delicious with toasted bun on the grill
1652338;1494129296;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper
1652339;1494129297;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1652340;1494129316;fromloper;Can anyone help me with sage_pill.py? When I run it, it gets though programming the FPGA, but then dies with: FPGA05: Programming FPGA completed  SmartLoadergramming SmartLoader  MSG009: Disabling SupportLibrary  Traceback (most recent call last):   File "./sage_pill.py", line 315, in <module>     dump_forever()   File "./sage_pill.py", line 251, in dump_forever     l = sage.readline()   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/seri
1652341;1494129381;asciilifeform;fromloper: reset the probe, connect to it, what do you get ?
1652342;1494129392;fromloper;How do I reset the probe?
1652343;1494129398;asciilifeform;unplug
1652344;1494129467;asciilifeform;also paste the complete barf plz, it got cut off
1652345;1494129546;fromloper;GDB seems to crash with an internal error.  Then shows Remote debugging using /dev/ttyACM0 0xffffffff in ?? ()
1652346;1494129593;asciilifeform;forget gdb for a minute. connect with, e.g., 'screen'
1652347;1494129599;asciilifeform;what do you get ?
1652348;1494129651;asciilifeform;screen /dev/ttyACM0
1652349;1494129695;fromloper;I get ---
1652350;1494129702;fromloper;If I hit enter a couple time ---SmartProbe: 3.2_3743                        98:73:c4:00:05:43                                         0                                          SmartProbe: 3.2_3743                                                              98:73:c4:00:05:43                                                                               0                                                                              
1652351;1494129713;fromloper;MSG016: Verifying FPGA
1652352;1494129716;asciilifeform;fromloper: congrats
1652353;1494129720;fromloper;|RG017: Verifying...|
1652354;1494129728;asciilifeform;it worked
1652355;1494129728;fromloper;FPGA05: Programming FPGA completed
1652356;1494129732;fromloper;SmartLoadergramming SmartLoader
1652357;1494129735;fromloper;MSG009: Disabling SupportLibrary
1652358;1494129739;fromloper;Traceback (most recent call last):
1652359;1494129743;fromloper;  File "./sage_pill.py", line 315, in <module>
1652360;1494129746;fromloper;  File "./sage_pill.py", line 251, in dump_forever
1652361;1494129750;fromloper;    l = sage.readline()
1652362;1494129753;fromloper;  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/serial/serialposix.py", line 495, in read
1652363;1494129766;asciilifeform;thing is ok
1652364;1494129767;ben_vulpes;fromloper: try using http://p.bvulpes.com/ before you get booted for flooding
1652365;1494129769;fromloper;    raise SerialException('device reports readiness to read but returned no data (device disconnected or multiple access on port?)')
1652366;1494129779;fromloper;sorry
1652367;1494129782;ben_vulpes;fleanode, not anyone here
1652368;1494129788;ben_vulpes;freenode i mean
1652369;1494129791;asciilifeform;fromloper: your probe works
1652370;1494129806;asciilifeform;you may have to update gcc though
1652371;1494129847;asciilifeform;( you need the one from 2014 , no earlier )
1652372;1494129868;fromloper;If I run sage_pill again, it seems to show the old CRCs and lets me update again?
1652373;1494129915;asciilifeform;unplug the probe and plug back in
1652374;1494129932;asciilifeform;what fw ver was on it before you ran 1st time ?
1652375;1494130037;asciilifeform;fromloper: also please do as ben_vulpes described, and paste the barf in the paster
1652376;1494130060;fromloper;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4EL9f/?raw=true for gdb
1652377;1494130066;fromloper;(and gcc)
1652378;1494130121;asciilifeform;you want 7.8 or above
1652379;1494130224;fromloper;One moment.. seeing if I can scrollback that far
1652380;1494130284;fromloper;Spew for current version: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/umk7h/?raw=true
1652381;1494130336;asciilifeform;is this from the first run ?
1652382;1494130472;fromloper;Looks like the original has scrolled off, so I don't know
1652383;1494130479;fromloper;No, rerun
1652384;1494130487;asciilifeform;anyway this is proper
1652385;1494130498;asciilifeform;'old' is the fw image
1652386;1494130514;asciilifeform;it gets patched to match the hardware id of your box
1652387;1494130528;asciilifeform;you have a cured probe, enjoy
1652388;1494130547;asciilifeform;update your gdb and follow the examples on my www.
1652389;1494130588;fromloper;Thank so much. Do you know if there is a bypass for the EDK?
1652390;1494130595;asciilifeform;( sagepill.py always breaks off, because the probe resets!! )
1652391;1494130621;asciilifeform;probably i ought to add this to the article.
1652392;1494130627;fromloper;Should the probes normal startup status be blinking?
1652393;1494130646;asciilifeform;yes
1652394;1494130664;asciilifeform;as for edk, it is garbage and i never use it, so i have nfi
1652395;1494130670;asciilifeform;it's java liquishit
1652396;1494130693;asciilifeform;decompiles ok , though, so you can crack it without breaking a sweat if you felt like it.
1652397;1494130747;asciilifeform;i posted the raw command set, theoretically you can use entirely straight gdb for any conceivable use of the box.
1652398;1494130829;fromloper;Ahh just say the manual you posted, thanks. That was my main concern (power, etc) for the edk
1652399;1494130843;fromloper;Now to see if I can find a gdb that works ;-)
1652400;1494130859;asciilifeform;fromloper: out of curiosity, hiw didja find the pill, and for what do you use the probe??
1652401;1494130864;asciilifeform;*how
1652402;1494130920;fromloper;Found though google. My main use for the probe is to have a cheap x86 JTAG device for VMM development
1652403;1494130937;asciilifeform;which board are you using ?
1652404;1494130967;fromloper;The Gizmo Explorer that came with the probe. In theory it supports AMDs VMM extensions
1652405;1494130974;asciilifeform;it does.
1652406;1494131013;mircea_popescu;fromloper consider getting a proper name / registering your pgp key with deedbot while at it.
1652407;1494131102;fromloper;Also looking at trying to get a Skylake/Kabylake with DCI enabled (JTAG over USB) since that just requires a USB 3 debug cable. The Intel NUC's have a bios setting "Silicon Debug Feature" but although it sets the debug MSR, it doesn't appear to set the PCH register correctly, and the PCH register is locked by the time it gets out of BIOS.
1652408;1494131121;asciilifeform;funnily enough, #trilema is wuite likely world's largest sageprobe user group today
1652409;1494131129;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper
1652410;1494131130;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1652411;1494131141;asciilifeform;*quite
1652412;1494131152;mircea_popescu;well, at least as far as non-whispering/public
1652413;1494131157;asciilifeform;aha
1652414;1494131160;mod6;sounds like what i'm tryin to get into
1652415;1494131195;asciilifeform;fromloper: intel is mostly a waste of time imho
1652416;1494131226;fromloper;There is a bug in Gigabyte's NUCs  where they left DCI half enabled. Unfortuntly  I bricked the one I had.
1652417;1494131236;asciilifeform;their debug isn't fully out of band, hostile os (e.g. winblows) can interfere
1652418;1494131247;fromloper;Because it had intel bootguard and didn't like my customized bios
1652419;1494131264;mircea_popescu;they actually brick the board ?!
1652420;1494131277;asciilifeform;fromloper: pull the chip and reflash
1652421;1494131282;fromloper;Yep, no recovery possible.
1652422;1494131291;mircea_popescu;that seems improbable. tried what he said ?
1652423;1494131293;asciilifeform;( if it's soldered down, use a crocodile )
1652424;1494131319;fromloper;Chip was soldered on and it's within Amazon's 30 day so easier to return and get one without vPro
1652425;1494131371;mircea_popescu;ah i guess there's thart
1652426;1494131384;asciilifeform;even if they actually take back mutilated boards -- this promises to be slow
1652427;1494131406;asciilifeform;get a rom burner and crocodile clip like normal people
1652428;1494131417;fromloper;I tried seeing if I could reprogram it via a TL866a but VCC isn't wired for in system programming and I didn't want to cut the trace on a system I might need to return
1652429;1494131439;asciilifeform;usually works anyway
1652430;1494131446;mircea_popescu;you don't have to cut the trace do you ?
1652431;1494131449;asciilifeform;trick is: gotta power up the board
1652432;1494131458;asciilifeform;then chip is alive
1652433;1494131472;asciilifeform;forget the burner's vcc.
1652434;1494131519;fromloper;I powered it up, which got rid of the overcurrent error, but it couldn't read the chip. Maybe a bad clip and or the TL866a isn't up to the task. Kind of a novice at these things.
1652435;1494131551;asciilifeform;either bad clip, or you out it backwards.
1652436;1494131558;asciilifeform;*put
1652437;1494131577;fromloper;I tried both ways :-/
1652438;1494131582;mircea_popescu;lol
1652439;1494131607;asciilifeform;pro tip: don't buy board with soldered rom
1652440;1494131645;asciilifeform;and if for some peculiar reason you ~must~ -- pull it off and replace with socket
1652441;1494131656;mircea_popescu;they've been moving that way slowly but surely hm.
1652442;1494131664;ben_vulpes;forgive me but what is a vcc?
1652443;1494131678;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: +
1652444;1494131743;fromloper;I believe USB DCI is only on their Skylake+ U-Series chips which are geared towards mobile and those tend to have soldered SOP8s since they tend to either be laptops or NUCs
1652445;1494131788;fromloper;The ideal will be if Intel fixes their BIOS, because then it would be a supported option on a mainstream system.
1652446;1494131806;asciilifeform;for the reason described earlier, i have 0 interest in intel's debug
1652447;1494131815;mircea_popescu;not like it got broken accidentally.
1652448;1494131818;asciilifeform;so cannot help there.
1652449;1494131853;fromloper;Do you avoid Intel all together then or have another recommendation for low level debug?
1652450;1494131869;asciilifeform;hardware ice is useful precisely because os has no say in whether it gets debugged
1652451;1494131878;asciilifeform;avoid intel
1652452;1494131912;asciilifeform;it won't work for your purpose. and the docs are very, very thin.
1652453;1494131919;asciilifeform;and full of disinfo.
1652454;1494131939;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aha ty
1652455;1494132036;fromloper;Ahh. Well no choice if I want to use intel's VMX instrutions but to use intel. Just trying to avoid having to spend $3000 for the standard ITP-XDP device and needing special expensive boards with an XDP port.
1652456;1494132056;mircea_popescu;what is his purpose ?
1652457;1494132060;asciilifeform;their soft is winblows-only, also
1652458;1494132101;asciilifeform;and why the fuck would you use intel-only opcodes.
1652459;1494132231;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2017/05/usg-asset-gavin-andresen-pretends-to-meaningfully-inspect-your-random/#comment-95936 << am i thick or is the guy entirely ignoring the quote.
1652460;1494132248;fromloper;I have NDA access, so I have slightly better documentation (but still shit and incomplete). Business decision. Intel only because that's where 95% of the market is. Also easier to do security research on ME and AMT if you can step through, which needs JTAG as well.
1652461;1494132279;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1652462;1494132292;asciilifeform;fromloper: if you paid for the seekrit docs , ask ~them~ for support, not me.
1652463;1494132305;asciilifeform;i have 0 seekrit docs.
1652464;1494132320;mircea_popescu;but why ? he just wants to, and you seem to be free! and the market ended up 95% usg for entirely unrelated reasons.
1652465;1494132325;fromloper;NDA doesn't cost anything. You just need to be a company.
1652466;1494132334;asciilifeform;( and come to think of it, dun recall being paid )
1652467;1494132336;BingoBoingo;seekrit docs just have more frustrating disinfo
1652468;1494132358;mircea_popescu;fromloper why'd you make any promises to those assholes ?
1652469;1494132382;fromloper;I'm not paid. It's my own startup. Other than the sage thing, wasn't specifically asking for help just discussing.
1652470;1494132394;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1652471;1494132449;BingoBoingo;Anyways, MOS 6502 does all the computing necessary for most purposes
1652472;1494132451;fromloper;mircea, because their public docs are shit and NDA just means I want share their secret shit. It's not a big deal to me.
1652473;1494132461;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1652474;1494132462;fromloper;*won't
1652475;1494132480;BingoBoingo;But you don't get the good seekrit shit
1652476;1494132509;asciilifeform;fromloper: and you wonder why the public tools are shit, and you're stuck with winblows idiocy ?
1652477;1494132578;mircea_popescu;hey, the miracles of reification.
1652478;1494132586;fromloper;I'm at an inital research stage at this point if it pans out they have a heavier NDA and you can buy the private tools. At this point I'm just doing proof of concept so I don't want to invest too much if it doesn't pan out.
1652479;1494132624;asciilifeform;humour my curiosity-- what's a 'heavier nda' ?
1652480;1494132633;fromloper;Their private debugger is $5k a year though.
1652481;1494132673;asciilifeform;if you like spending money, as it seems you do, why not buy arium's -- 35k/yr
1652482;1494132675;mircea_popescu;and it still doesn't work worth a shit.
1652483;1494132774;fromloper;They have a "restricted" level NDA which is above the normal. You need to acually talk to people about your project insead of just signing up a webform. I'll look at Arium / Lauterbauch / Intel PDT if I get past POC and find some investors ;-)
1652484;1494132835;asciilifeform;fromloper: and when intel steals your project, then what.
1652485;1494132860;fromloper;If I liked spending money I wouldn't be worrying about getting the $15 debug cable to work or an abandoned $200 probe.
1652486;1494132880;mircea_popescu;hey, maybe intel capital invests. acquihire cheaper for them than actually hiring and they've been doing all that song and dance about hiring in the us.
1652487;1494132887;asciilifeform;it so happens that the abandoned 200 box is the only one that works.
1652488;1494132907;asciilifeform;i.e. runs with plain gdb, and 0 winblows liquishitware and nda.
1652489;1494132927;asciilifeform;and isn't overruleable by microshit os.
1652490;1494132950;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper
1652491;1494132951;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1652492;1494133022;fromloper;Unfortuatly potential customers are most likely using Intel + Microsoft. Also in US we have Trump now. World sucks, but still need to live in it.
1652493;1494133058;fromloper;This is all really my attempt at having to avoid working for someone else again.
1652494;1494133072;mircea_popescu;how's it coming along ?
1652495;1494133096;asciilifeform;funnily enough i have an intel xdp probe and even one of their seekrit dev boxes (complete with 'not for sale' sticker)
1652496;1494133103;asciilifeform;but 0 software.
1652497;1494133104;ben_vulpes;in other reversing adventures: https://arxiv.org/abs/1704.07715
1652498;1494133126;asciilifeform;because of schmucks who all honoured their pact with hitler
1652499;1494133135;asciilifeform;and won't release docs.
1652500;1494133153;asciilifeform;so the amount of sympathy i have, is 0.
1652501;1494133186;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes actually the time symmetry approach is very intelligent.
1652502;1494133187;fromloper;You can get a trial of System Studio which comes with System Debugger. System Debugger sucks, but the debug layer is there underneath in python and C#, so you have pretty direct access to JTAG if you want to RE it.
1652503;1494133200;fromloper;The ptsecurity guys did a talk on it.
1652504;1494133222;asciilifeform;fromloper: and driver for probe where ?
1652505;1494133235;fromloper;http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2017ams/materials/D2T4%20-%20Maxim%20Goryachy%20and%20Mark%20Ermalov%20-%20Intel%20DCI%20Secrets.pdf
1652506;1494133252;fromloper;Driver comes with System Studio (which is free trial)
1652507;1494133261;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/hannorein/rebound << better link
1652508;1494133277;asciilifeform;fromloper: this ain't the xdp one
1652509;1494133293;asciilifeform;but the winblows-disableable usb3 debugger
1652510;1494133298;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/mizzou-freshman-enrollment-down-13-in-two-years-since-surrender-to-leftist-protesters/ << Qntra - Mizzou Freshman Enrollment Down 1/3 In Two Years Since Surrender To Leftist Protesters
1652511;1494133302;asciilifeform;so wholly uninteresting.
1652512;1494133343;BingoBoingo;<fromloper> Unfortuatly potential customers are most likely using Intel + Microsoft. Also in US we have Trump now. World sucks, but still need to live in it. << What's wrong with Z80 and Motorola 68k and Make Computing Great Again(TM)(R)
1652513;1494133371;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: imagine my brief surprise to realize this was not How Adults Did Things
1652514;1494133383;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: have a homework. find me where to get new 68k outside of usa.
1652515;1494133388;fromloper;System Debugger supports the $3000 XDP-ITP, the $390 SVT CCA adapter, and the $15 USB debug cable.
1652516;1494133411;asciilifeform;fromloper: how about my $0 softwareless xdp
1652517;1494133418;ben_vulpes;then ofc remembered that 200,000 lines of cpp make up nasa's most important models and rolled my eyes at my own self
1652518;1494133421;asciilifeform;bought from scrap dealer.
1652519;1494133438;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes one day you'll get to read military ballistics software, have a lol.
1652520;1494133438;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What new. Debug to build aound the old ones.
1652521;1494133458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you actually try the thing ?
1652522;1494133459;fromloper;This one? https://designintools.intel.com/product_p/itpxdp3brext.htm
1652523;1494133482;asciilifeform;nah, rectangular box
1652524;1494133486;asciilifeform;xdp 1.
1652525;1494133531;BingoBoingo;fromloper: Anyways prolly more money in debugging John Deere's firmware than Intel's
1652526;1494133572;asciilifeform;http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~SMAAOxyoahSXzkX/s-l300.jpg
1652527;1494133589;asciilifeform;fromloper: it ^
1652528;1494133617;fromloper;I don't think the current version does anymore. All the FPGA images are XDP3 or XDP4.  I know older versions of System Debugger had support for older XDPs. If you have a student email you can get System Studio for free and it has access to older versions which might support it.
1652529;1494133625;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/05/real-damage-done-flare-over-philosophers-journal-article-essay << "Tuvel’s argument is that the very same reasons that might justify an individual’s decision to change sexes could also be used to justify an individual’s decision to change races -- so if one is committed to the acceptability of the former (as Tuvel herself is), then one would be committed to the acceptability of the la
1652530;1494133625;BingoBoingo;tter."
1652531;1494133681;fromloper;I think the older ones had a shittier abstraction layer though. The python C# one is easy to reverse.
1652532;1494133752;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which thing ?
1652533;1494133754;fromloper;Bingo, my interest is more in security. Most people aren't that worried about their tractor being hacked.
1652534;1494133787;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i'm preparing popcorn for when they finally unearth the pedophilia issue. so far swimming in the brackish water of imaginary problems that are only problems ot the problemizers.
1652535;1494133799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "system debugger" bundled driver
1652536;1494133819;fromloper;Be back in a bit. Gotta reboot and see if I can find a GD that won't crash with the smartprobe.
1652537;1494133824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my box came with no disk.
1652538;1494133837;fromloper;asciilifeform. Thanks again so much for your help and hard work on fixing the probe.
1652539;1494133846;asciilifeform;nor does intel's downloadable crippleware, support it
1652540;1494133847;mircea_popescu;yes. his idea is, and perhaps not without merit, that by getting the bundle he names you might be able to salvage a driver.
1652541;1494133854;mircea_popescu;either out of the box or with some minimal assembly at home.
1652542;1494133860;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this, tried. fail.
1652543;1494133868;mircea_popescu;ah, ok. that's what i was asking.
1652544;1494133868;BingoBoingo;fromloper: You'd be surprised. Many people want out of John Deere's rootkit so that they can fix their tractor cost less than $newtractor
1652545;1494133929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: back when i actually gave a shit, i looked for a copy of the relevant shitware. never found.
1652546;1494133935;fromloper;Bingo, I'm not saying there isn't a market, but it's not really where my interest is. The ideal is to find interest and market fit. If it was just about money I would just go work for google.
1652547;1494133946;asciilifeform;today i give ~0 shits re intel.
1652548;1494133998;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've long wanted to design a ~new~ 68k box.
1652549;1494134006;asciilifeform;with, say, 16 of'em
1652550;1494134024;asciilifeform;but -- 0 supply.
1652551;1494134057;BingoBoingo;pop them out of performas? Or did performas get expensive?
1652552;1494134124;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how many grid chips have you personally desoldered ?
1652553;1494134131;asciilifeform;hiw many worked after ?
1652554;1494134142;asciilifeform;what would you charge for this process ?
1652555;1494134150;fromloper;There are open source FPGA 68ks that are pretty small. You might be able to fit 16 on a relatively small one.
1652556;1494134152;BingoBoingo;none, I thought that's why god invented chinamen
1652557;1494134167;asciilifeform;fromloper: problem is, there ain't a usable fpga
1652558;1494134174;asciilifeform;all want shitware.
1652559;1494134180;mircea_popescu;what, reflow oven burns the chips ?
1652560;1494134221;ben_vulpes;fromloper: but it is about money with the "not wanting to work for other people"
1652561;1494134226;ben_vulpes;muh passions
1652562;1494134234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one doesn't desolder in an oven. but -- yes.
1652563;1494134245;asciilifeform;they weren't meant to be roasted twice.
1652564;1494134248;ben_vulpes;i got one last lol in the chamber
1652565;1494134251;ben_vulpes;krypt.co
1652566;1494134266;mircea_popescu;i had nfi.
1652567;1494134278;asciilifeform;'A new home for your SSH private key'
1652568;1494134281;asciilifeform;lol!!
1652569;1494134289;mircea_popescu;it has pricing so should be legit.
1652570;1494134297;asciilifeform;gotta be a gag
1652571;1494134314;ben_vulpes;nono
1652572;1494134331;ben_vulpes;it's open source you can trust it
1652573;1494134398;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: other tricky bit re old stock chips -- invariably 5v signals; whereas ~all currently available logic, incl ram, is 3.3v max ( and often lower )
1652574;1494134443;mircea_popescu;lots and lots of tiny transformers!!1
1652575;1494134464;asciilifeform;can use level shifters, but bulky, expansive (incl pcb real estate) and mutilate timing.
1652576;1494134471;asciilifeform;*expensive
1652577;1494134650;mircea_popescu;and in other being own boss news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2c83f4f25a84aaf5a85b6ec71eb72883/tumblr_nt60zcuMir1s3qr6wo1_500.gif
1652578;1494134677;asciilifeform;lol, part balloon
1652579;1494134682;asciilifeform;*party
1652580;1494134885;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1652581;1494134894;mod6;i don't fuck around with it comes to atm
1652582;1494135269;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/wherefore/
1652583;1494135647;BingoBoingo;!!up fromloper
1652584;1494135647;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1652585;1494135754;shinohai;o/ fromloper
1652586;1494135820;fromloper;Well I got gdb working with the probe, but I can't seem to get the probe to work with the board. If I plug in the probe to the board, the board hangs. If i try continue I just get a bunch of ffffffs. If I do monitor run it says the probe is not connected. Here is a verbose output: https://pastebin.com/qWTwMuF5
1652587;1494135831;fromloper;Hi shinohai
1652588;1494135901;shinohai;hello fromloper ... I personally have not had opportunity to try this particular board yet, I'm sure asciilifeform can help you
1652589;1494135950;fromloper;He has helped me with unlocking the probe. Now hopefully he can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong :-(
1652590;1494135985;shinohai;is this running w/  gdb ?
1652591;1494136173;fromloper;Yeah gdb and the sage smartprobe
1652592;1494136223;fromloper;Using gdb --command=gdbinit.txt slightly modified for more verbose output
1652593;1494136571;fromloper;Hmm, might have just had it plugged in badly seem to be wokring now!
1652594;1494153959;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652529 << michael jackson was a pioneer and a visionary
1652595;1494153959;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 05:07 BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/05/real-damage-done-flare-over-philosophers-journal-article-essay << "Tuvel’s argument is that the very same reasons that might justify an individual’s decision to change sexes could also be used to justify an individual’s decision to change races -- so if one is committed to the acceptability of the former (as Tuvel herself is), then one would be committed to the acceptability of the la
1652596;1494156478;phf`;cmu is replacing cyrus with "google suite" https://www.cmu.edu/computing/email/cyrus/project "an effort to provide modern (c)(r)(tm)(!!1), industry standard, cost-effective email and calendar solutions"
1652597;1494161937;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652596 << i'm looking forward to 600 level courses consisting of tablet tapping cookbooks.
1652598;1494161937;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 11:27 phf`: cmu is replacing cyrus with "google suite" https://www.cmu.edu/computing/email/cyrus/project "an effort to provide modern (c)(r)(tm)(!!1), industry standard, cost-effective email and calendar solutions"
1652599;1494164178;Framedragger;rehi, finally almost-summer here (hey it's a big deal here when it's not mist and misery more than 50% of the week), frolicking in the sun :)
1652600;1494164186;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652107 << yeah, output should be sane, but more research needed.
1652601;1494164186;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 12:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652105 << can make your own tools for as long as you can live with them. the output is sane ?
1652602;1494164208;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652109 << yeah it does, relevant refs are probably http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637988 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638129 (re. images in particular, i know, painful)
1652603;1494164208;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 14:40 trinque: Framedragger: iirc archive.is uses headless webkit
1652604;1494164208;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 17:34 phf: Framedragger: yes, archive.is is a headless webkit. it loads the page with all the resources, it lets the javascript run until the DOM is in some "final" state, it snapshots the DOM. at this point you no longer need javascript to further render page
1652605;1494164208;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 18:13 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638105 << dumping dom is not hard (it's innerhtml attribute on document.body/head), extracting images/objects is harder. used to be able to do it using canvas, but not there's security provisions. you literally have to go into the browser's cache (via internal apis) to got the graphic, etc. back. or else redownload, which is rife with potential issues
1652606;1494164218;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652110 << and yeah to be clear i did skip this consciously, knowing that i'd be stepping into a swamp. and while i'd very much like to embrace http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652126 , it is the case that i'd like to be able to archive shitsites which don't render without JS.
1652607;1494164218;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 14:40 trinque: why did you skip over wget -R ?
1652608;1494164218;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 15:18 trinque: I don't run JS in either case
1652609;1494164221;Framedragger; possibly taleb's writings, etc. and yeah it sucks and may be the wrong choice politically (contrast with mp's explicit refusal to load PDFs, period).
1652610;1494164229;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652129 << and yeah this is PROBABLY the way to get burned. asciilifeform imagined the archiver as a "public whore prostitute", a box which can be exposed to exploits and malware, but that's even more dirty. (that said, may be the way to go.)
1652611;1494164229;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 15:20 trinque: sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted
1652612;1494164233;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652133 << ah this may indeed be relevant, haven't seen it, will check, thanks!
1652613;1494164233;a111;Logged on 2017-05-05 17:12 trinque: Framedragger: https://github.com/o2platform/chrome-repl << ever see this? might be a way to snag teh html tag's outerHTML
1652614;1494167503;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652586 << plug is backwards !!!
1652615;1494167503;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 05:43 fromloper: Well I got gdb working with the probe, but I can't seem to get the probe to work with the board. If I plug in the probe to the board, the board hangs. If i try continue I just get a bunch of ffffffs. If I do monitor run it says the probe is not connected. Here is a verbose output: https://pastebin.com/qWTwMuF5
1652616;1494167553;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652593 << ahaha he found it.
1652617;1494167553;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 05:56 fromloper: Hmm, might have just had it plugged in badly seem to be wokring now!
1652618;1494167610;asciilifeform;but did not register a name, still not in wot. mega-unsurprise.
1652619;1494167712;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652596 << umd had similar downfall
1652620;1494167712;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 11:27 phf`: cmu is replacing cyrus with "google suite" https://www.cmu.edu/computing/email/cyrus/project "an effort to provide modern (c)(r)(tm)(!!1), industry standard, cost-effective email and calendar solutions"
1652621;1494167749;asciilifeform;( abolished shell accts w/ 'pine' in favour of 'standard' liquishit )
1652622;1494167902;phf`;my oldest surviving config is a tcshrc i wrote for my umd shell account
1652623;1494167983;*;asciilifeform also.
1652624;1494168196;phf`;those university solaris systems were cool because of the afs mount points. it sort of reminded me of my first dialup-into-shell internet connection: a narrow bandwidth gateway into this really rich worl
1652625;1494168197;phf`;d
1652626;1494168350;asciilifeform;whereas today, king and slave alike have wide-bandwidth pipe..
1652627;1494168369;asciilifeform;into sewer!!
1652628;1494173517;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/xTT1y >> 'Since, 1991, the US military has been slowly coming apart at the seams. Stress cards, open homosexuality, transgenders on active duty, sensitivity training, pregnancy simulators for male troopers, lactation stations in the field, babies born on US ships of war, female graduates of Ranger School, including a 37 year old mother (it’s funny how the women looked so well fed), women in the SEA
1652629;1494173517;asciilifeform;Ls, women in Marine infantry units and females in the field artillery (even though most cannot carry a 155mm round) are just some of the insanity...'
1652630;1494174111;asciilifeform;in related lulz, https://archive.is/BSxkv >> 'At least 30 active-duty service members could face punishment as a result of the “Marines United” nude photo scandal that rocked the U.S. armed forces in early March, a Corps spokesman announced Friday.'
1652631;1494174615;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652618 << one ass-backwards at a time!
1652632;1494174615;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 14:33 asciilifeform: but did not register a name, still not in wot. mega-unsurprise.
1652633;1494175031;mircea_popescu;'Since, 1991, the US military has been slowly coming apart at the seams. << nooo!
1652634;1494175430;mircea_popescu;and in other news re the SOPS criminal org coup d'etat in brazil, http://www.jornalnh.com.br/_conteudo/2017/05/esportes/2105654-jogador-do-sapucaiense-e-preso-durante-jogo-de-futebol-da-2-divisao-do-gauchao.html
1652635;1494175803;asciilifeform;receptação de carro clonado << wat
1652636;1494175853;asciilifeform;and br police dun have uniforms ??
1652637;1494176715;mircea_popescu;poverty!
1652638;1494177675;asciilifeform;how do i clone a car.
1652639;1494177707;*;asciilifeform remembers idiot '90s copyrasty ad : 'you wouldn't download a car' -- to which folx replied, 'i would, motherfucker, if i could!'
1652640;1494177783;Framedragger;oblig, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI don't copy that floppy!
1652641;1494177947;asciilifeform;aha, same people, in pre-download era.
1652642;1494178909;Framedragger;!!rate vc 2 used his box.cock.li vps service, no issues, fast response, good guy
1652643;1494178910;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3EGhF/?raw=true
1652644;1494178932;Framedragger;!!v B7B6AC45283C343C3195042D6CE20D54E1707D9C315CD0D2016AA7D1435CC52B
1652645;1494178932;deedbot;Framedragger rated vc 2 << used his box.cock.li vps service, no issues, fast response, good guy
1652646;1494178939;*;Framedragger will rate moar later
1652647;1494179157;*;Framedragger msg'd vc about #t presence and whether he's interested, as of now he's not considering offering dedi boxes tho, it seems
1652648;1494179204;Framedragger;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1652649;1494179205;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1652650;1494179245;gabriel_laddel_p;Framedragger: to you in the particular. Dear everloving G-d, please read the logs and stop rehashing discussions. Also, fewer messages, more content.
1652651;1494179266;gabriel_laddel_p;Also, I read the logs and don't need to be notified of their contents.
1652652;1494179271;gabriel_laddel_p;nor do I need your useless ideas
1652653;1494179279;Framedragger;k.
1652654;1494179434;Framedragger;(but what if function of said idea is mockery? G-d knows!)
1652655;1494179912;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887 << Loper OS - Sage SmartProbe FAQ
1652656;1494180711;asciilifeform;aaand updated.
1652657;1494180740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform carro means card there im pretty sure.
1652658;1494180801;asciilifeform;hm.
1652659;1494180807;asciilifeform;that'd make sense wouldnit.
1652660;1494180862;mircea_popescu;portuguese is basically an alt-spanish designed by some guy in the False Friends club.
1652661;1494180870;asciilifeform;aha
1652662;1494180879;mircea_popescu;i like how it sounds though.
1652663;1494180884;mircea_popescu;i love how it fucking sounds.
1652664;1494180907;mircea_popescu;~russian spoken by creole girl with fake tits and no apparent anal innervation.
1652665;1494183038;shinohai;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1652666;1494183038;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1652667;1494183130;gabriel_laddel_p;Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.
1652668;1494183161;gabriel_laddel_p;Walked into the room of the girl I came to see (over here to do laundry) -- absolute squalor. Filth everywhere. Flies.
1652669;1494183170;gabriel_laddel_p;Someone more powerful than me please kill all of these idiots.
1652670;1494183255;gabriel_laddel_p;Real estate in one of the most exclusive / ritzy / whatever zip codes (atherton) and they stock it full of retards.
1652671;1494183260;mircea_popescu;what's a ssid thiel master ?
1652672;1494183269;gabriel_laddel_p;The wifi network name
1652673;1494183277;gabriel_laddel_p;I suppose this one of Thiel's houses
1652674;1494183297;gabriel_laddel_p;IE associated with one of his startups, the "thiel fellows" or something
1652675;1494183326;mircea_popescu;would you think the same if it were "kardabutt" or such ?
1652676;1494183356;gabriel_laddel_p;No?
1652677;1494183384;mircea_popescu;how can a pool be broken anyway ? someone drove a truck into it ?
1652678;1494183427;*;gabriel_laddel_p walks out to review
1652679;1494183497;mircea_popescu;i got this poor guy here, cleans the pool every day. (it rains, tropical torrential rain. thing gets washed full of everything. he pickls them back out). whole thing gives me trouble, on one hand i'd like to tell him to nevermind, on the other im not sure it's such a good idea.
1652680;1494183568;gabriel_laddel_p;childrens play equipment (?), broken chairs, the pool itself is full of brown/green alge-water
1652681;1494183922;mircea_popescu;ew
1652682;1494186388;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/balul-de-simbata-seara/ << Trilema - Balul de Simbata Seara
1652683;1494187181;ben_vulpes;it takes all of five minutes to rig an adequate pool pump
1652684;1494187198;ben_vulpes;that and ten dollars for the pump at harbor freight
1652685;1494187226;ben_vulpes;ya slip a white tee over the outlet and change it when it stops getting darker
1652686;1494187249;ben_vulpes;i guess this is the 2017 version of the mit grads and lightbulbs
1652687;1494187386;ben_vulpes;in other news, mimisbrunnr still chewing through 3+ day backlog: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-5-7#6e390df3-eac7-4ed4-b059-62b8994a2b8c
1652688;1494187462;ben_vulpes;taking hours to find a node with specific blocks apparently: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-5-7#f5cbbb73-8e72-4c6e-abfa-d8246ba37eed
1652689;1494188157;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-4-30#bb66f450-218d-4f54-88d8-6fb65645d474 << so given that the difference would be that the old auto_ptr didn't have shared semantics and that the unique_ptr does but they're never used because they weren't available at the time, i don't expect grief to come of it.
1652690;1494188192;ben_vulpes;not to give the impression that i think the vpatch in question is particularly useful.
1652691;1494193633;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dude ends up having to pick leaves and shit out
1652692;1494193705;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes here's the thing : without review of what the compiler spits out of it, you can't actually know whether the change won't create a split down the road.
1652693;1494193723;mircea_popescu;no part of cpp was intended or designed or tested or even vaguely considered in the context of consensus systems.
1652694;1494194800;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652693 << or in any other context!
1652695;1494194800;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 21:48 mircea_popescu: no part of cpp was intended or designed or tested or even vaguely considered in the context of consensus systems.
1652696;1494194823;mircea_popescu;nah, ~same as php. processes strings to spit out on a gui.
1652697;1494194854;asciilifeform;but never designed. a fungus.
1652698;1494194867;mircea_popescu;well, people just wannaed.
1652699;1494194939;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652670 << why is he THERE?! lemme guess, d00d thinks he can 'beat the house', eh. of such folx is the bread and butter of chumpatronics, made.
1652700;1494194939;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 18:54 gabriel_laddel_p: Real estate in one of the most exclusive / ritzy / whatever zip codes (atherton) and they stock it full of retards.
1652701;1494195080;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652667 << in virtually no usian house have i ever seen books.
1652702;1494195080;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 18:52 gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.
1652703;1494195106;asciilifeform;bible, at most. phone book.
1652704;1494195241;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652688 << what was the state of the wire to dulap at the time , ben_vulpes ?
1652705;1494195241;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 20:04 ben_vulpes: taking hours to find a node with specific blocks apparently: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-5-7#f5cbbb73-8e72-4c6e-abfa-d8246ba37eed
1652706;1494195269;asciilifeform;( it was dead for about half a day )
1652707;1494195632;phf`;actually come to think of it i've never been to an american house with books either. i think that maybe i just associate with wrong kind of americans?
1652708;1494195751;phf`;oh i lie, i have a friend whose parents are an astrophysicist and a literature something or other phd. they have a hoard (but much smaller hoard than say an equivalent russian botanik family, where the house is nothing but books)
1652709;1494195794;asciilifeform;aha, i've been to professors' houses, typically very spartan, 1 b00k case at most.
1652710;1494195801;phf`;i always imagined that there are houses out there of tenured professors, who like to "appreciate" wine and go to opera and such, they i'm sure have "exquisite" collections
1652711;1494195843;asciilifeform;i haven't yet american with 'wall to wall' b00kz, nope
1652712;1494195850;asciilifeform;and don't expect to.
1652713;1494195860;asciilifeform;*met
1652714;1494196373;phf`;it's very odd, considering how much space those mcmansions have. i mean, you could devote a whole room to a library!
1652715;1494196382;asciilifeform;easily
1652716;1494196449;*;asciilifeform always wanted to do this 
1652717;1494196495;phf`;move to boingboinglandia, have space for electron microscope also
1652718;1494196530;phf`;errm, bingoboingolandia
1652719;1494196593;asciilifeform;if moving, why not to mircea_popesculandia.
1652720;1494196872;phf`;give it another 6 months before "puerto ricans are unfit for living"
1652721;1494197849;phf`;completely unrelatedly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q
1652722;1494197950;Framedragger;very nice. not a lot of uhh modulation (i guess is the word) possible. but cool
1652723;1494198004;Framedragger;(or hm, not sure.)
1652724;1494198196;phf`;crazy gutta from teh nodick culture
1652725;1494198330;phf`;relatedly back when i was part of a hackerspace we had a visitor from a scandinavia with all kinds of whacky projects like that. part art, part "direct action", part prank. i asked him how he got paid for this, he laughed and said that everything that he does is funded entirely by government grants
1652726;1494199149;phf`;amusingly that was back when the left loved pim fortuyn, who was a homosexual and ran on a platform of transparent government through technology. he was also fiercely anti-muslim and anti-multiculralist.
1652727;1494199271;phf`;he was assassinated by a muslim, roughly the same time when another dutch, theo van gogh got knifed by a muslim for making anti-muslim short movie
1652728;1494199513;phf`;from where i stand, same people who supported pim fortuyn and theo van gogh, i.e. anarchists, leftists, etc. 15 years later are supporting multicultural europe and nodick values. etc.
1652729;1494199632;Framedragger;anarchists? hm.
1652730;1494199641;Framedragger;i guess i need to educate self more. (also, e.g. bakunin called himself "socialist" heh, but that's just change of value of term over time)
1652731;1494199647;*;Framedragger bbl, sleep
1652732;1494209248;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel_p> Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up. << Take some pictures and maybe I submit a quote to fix the yard?
1652733;1494209620;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> if moving, why not to mircea_popesculandia. << Not everybody can be rocketed to the 4th dimension of existence at once
1652734;1494211535;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/pantsuit-macaroon-takes-french-presidency-amid-widespread-ballot-destruction-allegations/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Macaroon Takes French Presidency Amid Widespread Ballot Destruction Allegations
1652735;1494213491;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652704 << bouncing up and down: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/peIQQ/?raw=true
1652736;1494213491;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 22:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652688 << what was the state of the wire to dulap at the time , ben_vulpes ?
1652737;1494213789;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652717 << lol remember when xeni jardin was cool, and people thought cory doctorow wrote cutting edge scifi?
1652738;1494213789;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 22:34 phf`: move to boingboinglandia, have space for electron microscope also
1652739;1494213857;ben_vulpes;!up gabriel_laddel_p
1652740;1494213862;ben_vulpes;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1652741;1494213862;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1652742;1494213871;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652699 < Had to do laundry.
1652743;1494213871;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 22:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652670 << why is he THERE?! lemme guess, d00d thinks he can 'beat the house', eh. of such folx is the bread and butter of chumpatronics, made.
1652744;1494213900;gabriel_laddel_p;Anyways, why am I in CA? Simply have not left yet. And leave to where?
1652745;1494213900;ben_vulpes;"laundry and chill"
1652746;1494213912;gabriel_laddel_p;Not after seeing those living conditions..
1652747;1494213914;ben_vulpes;you did the chill part too, right? didn't just settle for laundry?
1652748;1494213922;gabriel_laddel_p;Settle?!
1652749;1494213926;gabriel_laddel_p;wtf I left asap
1652750;1494213941;ben_vulpes;well you've got what sixty minutes while it runs
1652751;1494214024;ben_vulpes;oh ffs the urban dictionary shortcut isn't even listed on pete's site
1652752;1494214025;gabriel_laddel_p;Took a shower & nap.
1652753;1494214058;ben_vulpes;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=netflix+and+chill
1652754;1494214089;ben_vulpes;lol actually this is probably perfect
1652755;1494214104;ben_vulpes;if you give enough of a shit about bot commands, operate your own bot, give it whatever commands you want it to have
1652756;1494214209;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: a russian-american friend of mine lives in a house with math books everywhere.
1652757;1494214256;gabriel_laddel_p;The kitchen, dining room & some of the bedrooms don't have bookshelves. But aside from that..
1652758;1494214352;ben_vulpes;some day i will reclaim my book-storage-below-one-meter space
1652759;1494214701;shinohai;!~ud  netflix and chill
1652760;1494214702;jhvh1;shinohai: netflix and chill :: It means that you are going to go over to your partners house and fuck with Netflix in the background. [ex:] "Yeah we just watched Netflix and chilled.""Damn nigga how deep?""Four knuckles deep" [/ex] | code for two people going to each others houses and [fucking] or doing other [sexual] related acts [ex:] Brad: "Hey Julia wanna come over and watch [Netflix] and chill"Julia: (6 more messages)
1652761;1494214847;ben_vulpes;this would be one of these "easter eggs"
1652762;1494217373;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7631&pr=1
1652763;1494217529;ben_vulpes;christ bb
1652764;1494217553;ben_vulpes;that's a real wrist-slitter
1652765;1494217781;BingoBoingo;Eh, that's sorta average. I can't see Portland being any better.
1652766;1494217953;ben_vulpes;it's depressing in its own ways, i'll grant that
1652767;1494217977;ben_vulpes;some over-degreed tenderqueer barista insisted on addressing the child with gender-neutral pronouns
1652768;1494218081;ben_vulpes;sadly, as i was not present, i only got to deliver the tongue-lashings for not delivering tongue-lashings.
1652769;1494218085;BingoBoingo;I thought like portland was all heroin and trans-queer-furries
1652770;1494218143;ben_vulpes;while very visible, those folks are a vanishingly small fraction of the population
1652771;1494218152;ben_vulpes;probably same pharma abuse rates as anywhere else
1652772;1494218183;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7629
1652773;1494218217;BingoBoingo;You forget that at any given time the bulk of them are zonked out out of sight
1652774;1494218302;ben_vulpes;there is that
1652775;1494218322;ben_vulpes;i don't get lafond's fixation on failure to do anything about people shooting up in plain sight
1652776;1494218328;ben_vulpes;cops'
1652777;1494218369;BingoBoingo;It's the same as alf's squirrel fixation. The junkie in the throes of addiction is a pest control problem.
1652778;1494218397;ben_vulpes;well sure if they were exterminable that's one thing, but lock 'em up? at whatever cost per night?
1652779;1494218523;asciilifeform;what cost, lol, let'em mine uranium until die.
1652780;1494218535;asciilifeform; cut wood, in alaska.
1652781;1494218551;asciilifeform;irrigate desert in arizona.
1652782;1494218561;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: portland is trialing just this!
1652783;1494218576;asciilifeform;feed crocodiles in florida.
1652784;1494218578;ben_vulpes;selecting, obviously, against heroin users however.
1652785;1494218638;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the most reliable treatment for addiction is conversion therapy (i.e. removing the obsession through a spiritual experience), this requires as a prerequisite a "rock bottom" experience. Adversity is the kindest thing you can offer.
1652786;1494218668;asciilifeform;a city doesn't win from bipedal turds walking loose, any more than it wins from ordinary turds on sidewalk.
1652787;1494218694;ben_vulpes;way the heck upstack; BingoBoingo i have determined that "crack-o-my-ass" county late summer county fair has a talent competition, gospel competition, but as far as i've bothered to look so far, no amateur ag competition
1652788;1494218714;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: a 'city' in america doesn't 'win'. it 'brings more voices to the table'.
1652789;1494218727;ben_vulpes;junkies, minorities groups imported as refugees within the last decade, whatever.
1652790;1494218742;asciilifeform;i.e. begs, begs for neutron bomb
1652791;1494218813;BingoBoingo;What's wrong with malathion?
1652792;1494218831;asciilifeform;y'mean vx ?
1652793;1494218839;asciilifeform;nuffin wrong, worx great
1652794;1494218916;asciilifeform;at one point su even had a custom sprayer warhead, even
1652795;1494218935;asciilifeform;gotta wonder, these were all scrapped ? or a few remain.
1652796;1494219119;BingoBoingo;Anyways the long term recovered addict tends to usually be higher than average quality homo sapien, but.. that recovery rate suffers from too many social services preventing abject rock bottom
1652797;1494220474;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652709 << i grew up literally in the library of my parents' house, they put my bed there when i was 12 or something. 5-6k tomes or thereabouts. i've not kept a house with books the past decade nevertheless, nor do i intend to.
1652798;1494220474;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 22:23 asciilifeform: aha, i've been to professors' houses, typically very spartan, 1 b00k case at most.
1652799;1494220475;ben_vulpes;is it just me or are the c99 array mutation semantics just woefully lacking
1652800;1494220493;mircea_popescu;isn't the idea "don't mutate just copy" ?
1652801;1494220511;ben_vulpes;also the copying semantics!
1652802;1494220528;ben_vulpes;remove_copy_if takes a unary predicate
1652803;1494220540;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652716 << wtf. how do you do it ?
1652804;1494220540;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 22:34 asciilifeform always wanted to do this 
1652805;1494220556;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's not required to actually work to be THE IDEA, is it now!
1652806;1494220592;ben_vulpes;this was two lines of code with a lambda
1652807;1494220600;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652720 << costa ricans, hater. and i liek ticos just fine.
1652808;1494220600;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 22:41 phf`: give it another 6 months before "puerto ricans are unfit for living"
1652809;1494220627;ben_vulpes;now i have to make a pair or a struct or something and then another function that eats that and returns a bool
1652810;1494220727;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652728 << yup. because violence works. if you notice a coupla pretty chicks in a group of libertards, you go break the nose of a coupla dudes "for no reason" / "that was totally uncalled for and not necessary!!!1" and they'll all beeline to suck your cock : the chicks, and the dudes.
1652811;1494220727;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 23:25 phf`: from where i stand, same people who supported pim fortuyn and theo van gogh, i.e. anarchists, leftists, etc. 15 years later are supporting multicultural europe and nodick values. etc.
1652812;1494220861;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652750 << dude wtf, i've not seen a machine that takes AN HOUR since the 90s.
1652813;1494220861;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 03:25 ben_vulpes: well you've got what sixty minutes while it runs
1652814;1494221040;ben_vulpes;well there's the washer, and the dryer, and the latter's probably a 'high efficiency' model that doesn't actually get anything dry on the first run
1652815;1494221045;ben_vulpes;given that he's in california
1652816;1494221086;mircea_popescu;speaking of, i'm a huge fan of the tower arrangements.
1652817;1494221090;mircea_popescu;you seen those ?
1652818;1494221096;ben_vulpes;oh gross do you like front-loaders as well?
1652819;1494221104;mircea_popescu;basically vertical archimede screw.
1652820;1494221114;mircea_popescu;well no, it loads from top.
1652821;1494221129;ben_vulpes;ah, washer below, dryer atop?
1652822;1494221144;mircea_popescu;no, no. the washer, it doesn't have that stupid rotating faraday cage thing, horizontal.
1652823;1494221151;mircea_popescu;it has a spinning tower with fins, vertical.
1652824;1494221165;ben_vulpes;oh interesting
1652825;1494221178;mircea_popescu;way the fuck better imo. nfi why it took so long.
1652826;1494221216;ben_vulpes;oh wait
1652827;1494221228;ben_vulpes;this is standard issue?
1652828;1494221233;mircea_popescu;basically it convects your textiles through the water/air border, repeatedly.
1652829;1494221237;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ?
1652830;1494221247;ben_vulpes;does your drum still spin to do a pre-dry extraction?
1652831;1494221277;mircea_popescu;it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water.
1652832;1494221314;ben_vulpes;i do not think i have ever seen this wonder
1652833;1494221327;mircea_popescu;i shall inquire re model number.
1652834;1494221353;ben_vulpes;you say "stupid rotating faraday cage thing, horizontal", as in a front-loading washer?
1652835;1494221359;mircea_popescu;i guess ?
1652836;1494221368;mircea_popescu;i've seen them top loading also
1652837;1494221380;ben_vulpes;threw me, this is a novel invention in the states to speed up parts wear and mildew growth
1652838;1494221399;mircea_popescu;nah, it's what the ro washing machines all were cca 1985
1652839;1494221462;ben_vulpes;madness
1652840;1494221485;ben_vulpes;why would you put a door seal in place when you could simply seal the agitator axle
1652841;1494221513;ben_vulpes;plus asymmetric load due to gravity during centrifuge cycle
1652842;1494221530;ben_vulpes;i have only ever bought old, used washers and dryers
1652843;1494221552;ben_vulpes;no idea why anyone would buy this sort of thing with the new tax in place
1652844;1494221558;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes whirlpool clean touch.
1652845;1494221574;ben_vulpes;also i suspect the energy efficiency numbers are twisted by shrinking load size which is total bullshit
1652846;1494221596;mircea_popescu;what tax ?
1652847;1494221605;BingoBoingo;In other news: US "Occupational Safety" politruks are about to approve IMPACT RATED CONTACT LENSES!!!
1652848;1494221620;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's actually not such a bad idea.
1652849;1494221644;ben_vulpes;"new tax" as in tax for buying goods new
1652850;1494221661;BingoBoingo;Not a bad idea, but how is the execution?
1652851;1494221662;mircea_popescu;oh metaphorically speaking
1652852;1494221679;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well that i dunno. but shatter contacts are a major and growing part of serious eye injury.
1652853;1494221699;ben_vulpes;https://youtu.be/HkPkkCVF6f0?t=1310 << centrifuge
1652854;1494221700;mircea_popescu;bout a third of the trade of eye surgeon friend.
1652855;1494221709;ben_vulpes;!!up trinque
1652856;1494221709;deedbot;trinque voiced for 30 minutes.
1652857;1494221713;ben_vulpes;hola trinque
1652858;1494221716;trinque;ty
1652859;1494221735;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes oh huh.
1652860;1494221743;mircea_popescu;well i guess that shows how much i know about washers ;/
1652861;1494221750;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: gravity's not enough
1652862;1494221759;ben_vulpes;psh, washers. try surface tension!
1652863;1494221767;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess this gets classified as /mp finally figures out what top loading washer is, likes it.
1652864;1494221801;ben_vulpes;mp looks at std issue consumer item for first time since leaving .ro more like it
1652865;1494221826;ben_vulpes;but yes, glorious technology
1652866;1494221829;ben_vulpes;infinitely repairable
1652867;1494221836;mircea_popescu;hey, them girls. they make random things fun.
1652868;1494221841;mircea_popescu;i'm like in adult kindergarten.
1652869;1494221872;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You also have to consider the marketing rape of "impact resistant" from "doesn't break" to implications of "shock resistant"
1652870;1494221888;mircea_popescu;yeah. not shattering is a biggy.
1652871;1494221892;mircea_popescu;the rest... well.
1652872;1494221897;ben_vulpes;wait shattering?
1652873;1494221901;mircea_popescu;oya.
1652874;1494221903;ben_vulpes;people still use hard lenses?
1652875;1494221907;mircea_popescu;yes.
1652876;1494221911;ben_vulpes;w-why?
1652877;1494221917;mircea_popescu;shut up and side load.
1652878;1494221933;ben_vulpes;lolzlozl
1652879;1494221950;ben_vulpes;soft lenses are a thing, i've been using them since they came out with astigmatism weights.
1652880;1494221960;mircea_popescu;that's what girls get also.
1652881;1494221971;mircea_popescu;they're not even expensive, coupla hundred or such.
1652882;1494221983;trinque;man I just figure that pair of blurs in front of me on teh highway is something I don't want to drive into
1652883;1494221985;ben_vulpes;what, praytell, is so manly about the rigid lenses
1652884;1494222001;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1652885;1494222018;*;trinque probably needs to go get eyeball compensators soon, getting old
1652886;1494222049;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes oh, i just happen to not need any. those girls who need eye correction, get same thing you're discussing, a-weighted soft contacts/
1652887;1494222053;ben_vulpes;trinque: i've dreamed of waking up and being able to see for decades at this point
1652888;1494222074;ben_vulpes;dreamt*
1652889;1494222091;mircea_popescu;wasn't implying any gender discrimination or inferiority or racism or anything of the kind!
1652890;1494222099;ben_vulpes;muh feefees!
1652891;1494222100;ben_vulpes;hurtful
1652892;1494222129;mircea_popescu;shall i wear some prescriptionless glasses for you ?
1652893;1494222149;ben_vulpes;a cock cage, methinks
1652894;1494222154;mircea_popescu;hue
1652895;1494222172;ben_vulpes;can't have anyone dancing to well, now
1652896;1494222190;*;mircea_popescu gets 16 inch solid iridium spiked penis cage with a little handcrafted machine gun on top.
1652897;1494222205;mircea_popescu;disintegrating belt feed!!!
1652898;1494222222;*;trinque drove a nissan cock cage for 3hrs today, worst car on earth
1652899;1494222226;mircea_popescu;lmao
1652900;1494222227;ben_vulpes;penii spikata
1652901;1494222228;trinque;arm wrests two different heights
1652902;1494222235;trinque;*rests
1652903;1494222238;mircea_popescu;didn't cuisinart buy nissan ?
1652904;1494222241;ben_vulpes;did it wrest you out of alignment?
1652905;1494222258;ben_vulpes;tooo laaaate
1652906;1494222280;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: GE
1652907;1494222296;ben_vulpes;you can buy the frame but they still own the engine
1652908;1494222313;trinque;want to go ~100mph you'd better find a downhill or two
1652909;1494222328;mircea_popescu;TWO downhills ? wtf is this, skater car ?
1652910;1494222334;ben_vulpes;trinque: it'll break speed limits?
1652911;1494222342;trinque;it'll tickle them eh?
1652912;1494222355;trinque;and make noises like you're out of weed whacker string
1652913;1494222356;mircea_popescu;was it at least a nissan suv pickup ?
1652914;1494222358;ben_vulpes;i figured those shits called alexa all polite like to find out what the speed limit was
1652915;1494222361;BingoBoingo;Speed limit will brake
1652916;1494222382;trinque;no no this was the bottom tier shit nissan; I'm cheap as fuck
1652917;1494222393;trinque;versa.
1652918;1494222399;mircea_popescu;so basically you went around on a toothbrush.
1652919;1494222412;ben_vulpes;trinque: sidesaddle or cowboy?
1652920;1494222473;trinque;what's the one where you push it with feet out bottom
1652921;1494222498;BingoBoingo;Footisting?
1652922;1494222528;mircea_popescu;standard issue mall cop model eh.
1652923;1494222563;ben_vulpes;i fucking hate this: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/algorithm/remove_copy_if/
1652924;1494222579;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652781 << viceversa, really.
1652925;1494222579;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 04:42 asciilifeform: irrigate desert in arizona.
1652926;1494222600;ben_vulpes;how am i supposed to know how many elements to allocate for the array which will receive the filtered elements?
1652927;1494222608;ben_vulpes;if i knew how many there were i'd probably also know which they were
1652928;1494222637;ben_vulpes;> returns an iterator the the end of the copied range
1652929;1494222649;ben_vulpes;so what, truncate the array, however the fuck that works in this baroque hellscape?
1652930;1494222657;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes see, the problem is they have no sense of humor. why the fuck make JUST "remove_copy_if" when you could have had a whole suite. "if_copy_remove" "remove_if_copy" AND "copy_if_remove" plus removeif_copy and __remove_ifcopy for good seizure.
1652931;1494222659;trinque;ben_vulpes: clearly you pick a length which will be enough for anybody.
1652932;1494222670;ben_vulpes;trinque: I DON'T WANT THE MOTHERFUCKING ZEROS
1652933;1494222688;ben_vulpes;or a fucking if statement downstream that doesn't serialize a magic number
1652934;1494222694;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, copy it again, don't truncate.
1652935;1494222716;ben_vulpes;yeah okay i'm going to go find satoshi and kill him myself
1652936;1494222736;mircea_popescu;you ever been at those gangster weddings in the 70s where they piled up antoinette's tit champagne glasses and then filled them from the top ?
1652937;1494222746;mircea_popescu;THAT is how c objects are supposed to work modernly.
1652938;1494222761;ben_vulpes;nobody i know is so tasteless as to waste good wine like that.
1652939;1494222770;ben_vulpes;well, hang out with.
1652940;1494222783;mircea_popescu;how you ended up programming is a mystery in this context.
1652941;1494222830;ben_vulpes;i actually had to castigate someone at this otherwise nice joint, "picnic house" for serving me bubbles in a coup recently.
1652942;1494222904;mircea_popescu;what's a coup ?
1652943;1494222907;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: story is boring: i was doing r/d for teeny tiny chip testing companies in the "silicon forest", hated commuting to the burbs and not having a keg in the office, and got hoovered up by the great webdev pressure gradient.
1652944;1494222910;ben_vulpes;the tit glasses
1652945;1494222918;ben_vulpes;coupe?
1652946;1494222941;mircea_popescu;ah. they're actually fine for champagne cocktails imo
1652947;1494222955;mircea_popescu;but yes, usually coupe.
1652948;1494223006;ben_vulpes;fucking terrible, offgass an entire glass in 2 minutes
1652949;1494223017;mircea_popescu;you're supposed to drink it not dribble in it.
1652950;1494223031;ben_vulpes;i will drink it at whatever speed i choose
1652951;1494223041;mircea_popescu;and the girls ?
1652952;1494223042;ben_vulpes;subject to conduction from the outside
1652953;1494223055;ben_vulpes;i don't need a new motherfucking surface area problem on top of my drinking problem
1652954;1494223074;ben_vulpes;"they will drink it at whatever speed i choose as well" my popesculator says
1652955;1494223199;trinque;> not having a keg in the office
1652956;1494223205;trinque;not a problem at my last pdx gig!
1652957;1494223216;trinque;but y'know, straight to the hard liquor
1652958;1494223223;ben_vulpes;well this was in the burbs, at a fab facility
1652959;1494223248;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes anyway. add a thin layer of oil, venting problems solved.
1652960;1494223250;ben_vulpes;keeping booze on the premises amplifies the extant tension between production and engineering
1652961;1494223253;mircea_popescu;sesame works fine.
1652962;1494223358;ben_vulpes;i think i'll stick to the correct glassware.
1652963;1494223509;mircea_popescu;recycled motor oil also
1652964;1494223528;ben_vulpes;!!up trinque
1652965;1494223529;deedbot;trinque voiced for 30 minutes.
1652966;1494223649;ben_vulpes;anyways, i understand the 2010-2013 "bitcoin developer" demo better now
1652967;1494223663;ben_vulpes;they...don't see anything wrong with this fundament.
1652968;1494223701;mircea_popescu;heh.
1652969;1494223731;mircea_popescu;dude, what understand. they're drones, beta males looking to get into some kind of party, any kind of party. they've made a pact and shit.
1652970;1494223782;ben_vulpes;i have derived a tiny bit of insight about a huge swath of the population, then.
1652971;1494223948;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun
1652972;1494224382;mircea_popescu;hmm, anyone remember any specifics re that studio fire last year ?
1652973;1494224470;ben_vulpes;oakland, operators got out with their kids (mournfully), buncha other folks crisped
1652974;1494224476;mircea_popescu;a ty
1652975;1494224497;ben_vulpes;http://www.sfchronicle.com/oakland-fire/
1652976;1494224505;mircea_popescu;qntra dsid it, as it turns out. http://qntra.net/2016/12/oakland-warehouse-destroyed-by-artist-infestation/
1652977;1494224589;ben_vulpes;shame
1652978;1494224592;ben_vulpes;everlasting shame
1652979;1494226516;mircea_popescu;!!up gizmolearner
1652980;1494226517;deedbot;gizmolearner voiced for 30 minutes.
1652981;1494226549;gizmolearner;Ahh. Chat is off by default?
1652982;1494226654;mircea_popescu;yes.
1652983;1494226745;gizmolearner;Probe is working great. BTW it's a purchase last week, so they still sell the kits with probes.
1652984;1494226858;gizmolearner;I noticed in the probe faq that new APUs aren't supported. Any thoughts on what the best board (memory capacity I guess) that will work with the probe?
1652985;1494228670;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/teatro-la-comedia-de-san-jose-calle-13-entre-av-6-y-8/ << Trilema - Teatro "La Comedia" de San Jose (Calle 13, entre Av. 6 y 8)
1652986;1494237465;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652831 << i thought those are mostly standard, but i take it your girls line dry after? because centrifuge doesn't get it dry dry
1652987;1494237465;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 05:27 mircea_popescu: it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water.
1652988;1494237542;phf`;mine is a vertical spinner, but it also has a horizontal drier in the same tower. i'd say apartments i've seen it's 50/50 between vertical and horizontal washers
1652989;1494237865;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had)
1652990;1494237865;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 05:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652709 << i grew up literally in the library of my parents' house, they put my bed there when i was 12 or something. 5-6k tomes or thereabouts. i've not kept a house with books the past decade nevertheless, nor do i intend to.
1652991;1494240634;phf`;Framedragger: that's colloquial use of "anarchist" by the way, i.e. when i was growing up that was post-punk, post-left (in a marxist leninist sense) people. think bob black, rather than murray bookchin
1652992;1494240742;phf`;they were permanent residents of european hackerspaces, and if they did ~anything~ it would've been some kind of experimental "art"
1652993;1494246612;Framedragger;phf`: ah ok that makes sense. i checked bob black (lols), yeah gotcha. lulzy re "art"
1652994;1494246970;Framedragger;!#s abolition of work
1652995;1494246971;a111;1 result for "abolition of work", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=abolition%20of%20work
1652996;1494248211;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652926 << http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html >> 'C++ is a language strongly optimized for
1652997;1494248211;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 05:50 ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to know how many elements to allocate for the array which will receive the filtered elements?
1652998;1494248211;asciilifeform;  liars and people who go by guesswork and ignorance.'
1652999;1494248433;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652984 << afaik: the 4GB apu1
1653000;1494248433;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 07:00 gizmolearner: I noticed in the probe faq that new APUs aren't supported. Any thoughts on what the best board (memory capacity I guess) that will work with the probe?
1653001;1494248531;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652989 << exactly this !
1653002;1494248531;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 10:04 phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had)
1653003;1494248660;asciilifeform;gizmolearner: theoretically you can attach probe to any (but the latest, crippled) amd cpu using a 'socket interposer' that sandwiches under the chip. but as to where to get it -- no one seems to know.
1653004;1494248693;asciilifeform;almost certainly cheapest and most practical is to have it made , yourself, at, say, 'gold phoenix' plant.
1653005;1494248778;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652831 << i have a '90s tower of horizontal-horizontal here. worx great.
1653006;1494248778;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 05:27 mircea_popescu: it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water.
1653007;1494248791;asciilifeform;but it was made pre-'saving'.
1653008;1494248891;Framedragger;!!up gizmolearner
1653009;1494248891;deedbot;gizmolearner voiced for 30 minutes.
1653010;1494248988;gizmolearner;I was just looking for something relatively painless. Anything plug n play better than the APU1's with 4GB?
1653011;1494249010;asciilifeform;what's that mean ?
1653012;1494249041;asciilifeform;what lacking 'plug and play' is there to complain about in a box with all peripherals soldered down ??
1653013;1494249100;asciilifeform;gizmolearner: if you don't feel like soldering the debug jack : biggest readily available board is probably gizmo2
1653014;1494249103;gizmolearner;The Gizmo Explorer only has 1GB. Ideally I would like something with ~8-16GB (or DIMM slots)
1653015;1494249111;asciilifeform;( 2G )
1653016;1494249118;asciilifeform;but no slots.
1653017;1494249163;asciilifeform;if you want something with dimm slots, AND a debug jack, god help you, i've been searching for 5+ years on secondhand market.
1653018;1494249174;gizmolearner;Soldering debug I can do. Having PCB manufactured is a bit beyond me
1653019;1494249196;gizmolearner;https://www.gizmosphere.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/4531_Gizmo2_ProBRIEF_FNL.Element14.pdf says Gizmo2 is only 1GB?
1653020;1494249226;asciilifeform;hm yea nm
1653021;1494249244;asciilifeform;get the apu1 while you can.
1653022;1494249673;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652852 << contactlens is imho terrifyingly bad tech. entirely unsuited for anybody who works with hands ever.
1653023;1494249673;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 05:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well that i dunno. but shatter contacts are a major and growing part of serious eye injury.
1653024;1494249706;asciilifeform;no good in machine shop, no good in organic chem lab, no good anywhere but perfumed throne room finery.
1653025;1494249762;asciilifeform;traps gasses, melts into eye, makes just about any mishap a blindness event
1653026;1494249776;asciilifeform;even soldering becomes a hazard with contact lens.
1653027;1494249790;Framedragger;and good environment for all kinds of very nasty bacteria to flourish
1653028;1494249895;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652887 << ever considered the laser job ?
1653029;1494249895;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 05:40 ben_vulpes: trinque: i've dreamed of waking up and being able to see for decades at this point
1653030;1494249925;asciilifeform;( get it 1 eye at a time, so that if fails, at least you have 1 good eye left )
1653031;1494250572;Framedragger;gets more dangerous with more intense myopia etc., doesn't it?
1653032;1494250590;*;Framedragger sits here with ~ -10 dioptre (genetics, man)
1653033;1494250641;Framedragger;(one good outcome of .lt joining .eu: was able to get driver's license (change in regulations for driving, if person can see well with glasses))
1653034;1494251511;Framedragger;!!up gizmolearner
1653035;1494251512;deedbot;gizmolearner voiced for 30 minutes.
1653036;1494251546;Framedragger;gizmolearner: just fyi, you could register your gpg key with deedbot (http://deedbot.org/help.html), would make things easier
1653037;1494251626;gizmolearner;Framedragger, thanks for the info
1653038;1494252110;gizmolearner;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5iWTd/?raw=true
1653039;1494252114;deedbot;B147983D4E7087710B0DC9D0BA56F6ACA4219D40 registered as gizmolearner.
1653040;1494252296;Framedragger;!!rate gizmolearner 1 apu etc. tinkerer / new blood
1653041;1494252298;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/I9CWG/?raw=true
1653042;1494252313;Framedragger;!!v A4F5EC635F416E296E2BCA9C11C7D7F4701F9E5B516236AD55C29E4A844F158D
1653043;1494252313;deedbot;Framedragger rated gizmolearner 1 << apu etc. tinkerer / new blood
1653044;1494252338;Framedragger;gizmolearner: now you can `/msg deedbot !!up gizmolearner`
1653045;1494252359;gizmolearner;Framedragger cool, thanks
1653046;1494252687;asciilifeform;in other noose, the LYSO crystals are here !
1653047;1494252888;Framedragger;asciilifeform: are you planning on building an entropy source based on them, then? :) need a good uv light reader, or something?
1653048;1494253438;gizmolearner;In random news... the first Intel NUC I order from Amazon.com (not 3rd party seller), was just a box bag of gravel inside. Customer support sent a real one. I'm guessing a reshrink wrapped return that got send out again.
1653049;1494253479;Framedragger;heh.
1653050;1494253483;Framedragger;and in scanning news, launched ipv4 rescan. (1st phase, which is easier than 2nd phase (key extraction), but will give us some interesting data nonetheless.)
1653051;1494253690;gizmolearner;I wonder how many Intel boxs with vulnerable AMT are on the web...
1653052;1494253745;asciilifeform;afaik vuln still not public...
1653053;1494253785;asciilifeform;Framedragger: neato
1653054;1494253886;gizmolearner;I thought it was just a null password? https://www.embedi.com/files/white-papers/Silent-Bob-is-Silent.pdf
1653055;1494253962;gizmolearner;(err null response I guess)
1653056;1494253994;*;asciilifeform reads
1653057;1494254193;Framedragger;omg it seems that it is, wrong value passed to strncmp ahahaha
1653058;1494254528;gizmolearner;Yeah would have been really quickly if it wasn't buried in compressed code. Instead it's in years of BIOS's and basically gives remote as if local root access.
1653059;1494254595;asciilifeform;anybody disasm the patched fw yet??
1653060;1494254719;gizmolearner;I don't even know how they reversed the huffman coding in the first place since the table is buried in PCH ROM.
1653061;1494254999;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/B5jUA/?raw=true
1653062;1494255203;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652986 << used to, until this year. i like the fresh air scent of clothes / can't stand detergent perfume bs. unexaminedly i didn't even consider non-open air drying of clothes to be acceptably hygienic in the first place, as per ro traditionz.
1653063;1494255203;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 09:57 phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652831 << i thought those are mostly standard, but i take it your girls line dry after? because centrifuge doesn't get it dry dry
1653064;1494255230;mircea_popescu;but reviewed the matter last month, dun actually have objection to correctly used dryer.
1653065;1494255666;gizmolearner;ƒAny idea why reset on Gizmo explorer doesn't starts at EIP=0xfffffc10 instead of 0xfffffff0?
1653066;1494255694;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652989 << no, i have no objection to it being incomprehensible, it strikes me as nutty also. perhaps a major part of the explanation is that whenever i don't remember something i just pick a girl who likely doesn't know it, ask her about it, and when she doesn't know it she gets ordered to research it. another part of it, maybe even larger, is that the stuff that actually interests me isn't
1653067;1494255694;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 10:04 phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had)
1653068;1494255694;mircea_popescu;in english, and consequently by and large digitized. consider http://trilema.com/2017/balul-de-simbata-seara/#comment-121981 which is literally correct : virtually all romanian films worth watching are on the youtube. ~same for say italian, or french.
1653069;1494255702;mircea_popescu;being born to a stupid mother and inheriting her stupid tongue is a heavy burden indeed, as it turns out.
1653070;1494255877;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653061 << got it
1653071;1494255877;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 14:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/B5jUA/?raw=true
1653072;1494255970;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner it starts at whatever you have in that register neh ?
1653073;1494255997;gizmolearner;x86 should reset to 0xfffffff0
1653074;1494256017;mircea_popescu;can't say without the docs for your specific item, but i guess it doesn't ?
1653075;1494256034;mircea_popescu;"x86" is, sadly, not really a thing in this sense.
1653076;1494256263;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652992 << not much, but still better than "skateboarding", i guess.
1653077;1494256263;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 10:52 phf`: they were permanent residents of european hackerspaces, and if they did ~anything~ it would've been some kind of experimental "art"
1653078;1494256264;gizmolearner;docs say FFF0 - http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/24593.pdf
1653079;1494256284;gizmolearner;I wonder if the probe takes a few instructions before it stops
1653080;1494256334;mircea_popescu;seems possible you stumbled on something there.
1653081;1494256397;mircea_popescu;do both addresses hold the same value ?
1653082;1494256544;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653003 << doesn't aries sell them anymore ?
1653083;1494256544;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 13:04 asciilifeform: gizmolearner: theoretically you can attach probe to any (but the latest, crippled) amd cpu using a 'socket interposer' that sandwiches under the chip. but as to where to get it -- no one seems to know.
1653084;1494256592;mircea_popescu;dude check it out, they're still online!
1653085;1494256637;mircea_popescu;http://www.arieselec.com
1653086;1494256861;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653018 << you know, maybe a proper probe might even make sense for nsa.
1653087;1494256861;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 13:12 gizmolearner: Soldering debug I can do. Having PCB manufactured is a bit beyond me
1653088;1494256928;mircea_popescu;what 4 gb, let it have sixteen banks for all anyone cares, put 2 tb in there. and let it not be "industry friendly" either.
1653089;1494256979;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653024 << it's fortunate then that nobody gives a shit about glasses except in hot women, if at all.
1653090;1494256979;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 13:21 asciilifeform: no good in machine shop, no good in organic chem lab, no good anywhere but perfumed throne room finery.
1653091;1494256982;mircea_popescu;!!up test58290739
1653092;1494256982;deedbot;test58290739 voiced for 30 minutes.
1653093;1494257148;gizmolearner;I figured it out. Instruction at 0xfffffff0 is a jump. The probe doesn't refresh the registers until after you execute an instruction. So after reset the registers are stale.
1653094;1494257155;mircea_popescu;aha.
1653095;1494257199;mircea_popescu;this isn't by any chance the first time you got a probe going ?
1653096;1494257241;gizmolearner;yes and no. first time with this probe. also played with OpenOCD on the Quark
1653097;1494257251;mircea_popescu;well good for you. having fun ?
1653098;1494257268;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653031 << it does, yes. though the better doctors will just do it over time, take 3-5 years to shave you down to .1
1653099;1494257268;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 13:36 Framedragger: gets more dangerous with more intense myopia etc., doesn't it?
1653100;1494257311;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: multiple operations? i haven't even considered that. hmm, thanks for the pointer
1653101;1494257314;gizmolearner;Yeah, aside from not being able to get the Intel side of things going yet.
1653102;1494257320;*;Framedragger will bring it up on next visit
1653103;1494257336;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653027 << but no, not really. you don't wear them continuously, and the lacrimal soup isn't very conducive in the first place. it's true plastic is great bacterial substrate, but really material science has come a long way, this is not much of a concern.
1653104;1494257336;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 13:23 Framedragger: and good environment for all kinds of very nasty bacteria to flourish
1653105;1494257350;mircea_popescu;Framedragger well, doctor knows so you don't have to :)
1653106;1494257368;Framedragger;yeah, suppose so!
1653107;1494257424;Framedragger;re. soup, i dunno stats / anecdotal cases, but there have been instances of otherwise-high-hygiene folks getting nasty bacteria by forgetting not to use tap water, once (source is unreliable bbc article so yeah, meh); etc.
1653108;1494257426;mircea_popescu;also, this was a field where waiting for computing paid off, past 2 decades. but i'd be gut-guessing it's just about mature by now.
1653109;1494257454;mircea_popescu;Framedragger sounds more like the whole "tap water is bad mmkay" pieces the bottled water folks keep regularly seeding.
1653110;1494257471;Framedragger;heh, yeah, true...
1653111;1494257501;gizmolearner;On the quark it actually does slide a few insructions on reset because they didn't bother to wire TRST, so they are reseting in stopping in some hacky way.
1653112;1494257503;mircea_popescu;it's mind boggling that in a world arot with socialists, the one place where communal solutions fucking make sense finds itself cornered, and about to lose a head.
1653113;1494257614;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653033 << this is a terrifyingly stupid idea. gf knocks your glasses off next you drive into me then ima have to get out, beat you into a pulp and set the rest of the eu on fire because htye'll be all "hey, why you beat guy into pulp, that's against eu regulations" and i'll be all "fuck you and your stupid mothers"
1653114;1494257614;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 13:37 Framedragger: (one good outcome of .lt joining .eu: was able to get driver's license (change in regulations for driving, if person can see well with glasses))
1653115;1494257664;Framedragger;there is that. i don't do lots of driving at all, and plan to avoid driving at night, ever. but, yeah, point taken.
1653116;1494257712;mircea_popescu;not like it's a rule everyone must drive, wear the same dumbass clothes and read reddit.
1653117;1494257747;gizmolearner;The Sage EDK had the ability to write the flash. Any ideas on how to do that without it?
1653118;1494257749;mircea_popescu;and yes you have some dB loss because of the resistence of the medium. "i couldn't see that light officer". of course not, it was faint and you were wearing glasses.
1653119;1494257901;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653073 << if you want to stop at reset vector, you gotta enable this, see my gdb monitor commands guide.
1653120;1494257901;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 15:06 gizmolearner: x86 should reset to 0xfffffff0
1653121;1494257909;asciilifeform;otherwise you end up stopping wherever.
1653122;1494257942;mircea_popescu;!!rate gizmolearner 1 start-up something something, dunno.
1653123;1494257944;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i86s4/?raw=true
1653124;1494257957;gizmolearner;It's stopping correctly, it's just not refreshing the registers
1653125;1494257963;mircea_popescu;!!v 4947C1175F722ED8FF8619456B757E85CBD4194015DD8C789EB86C87D92CCFA9
1653126;1494257963;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated gizmolearner 1 << start-up something something, dunno.
1653127;1494257964;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653085 << i dun see an interposer in that catalogue
1653128;1494257964;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 15:17 mircea_popescu: http://www.arieselec.com
1653129;1494257976;gizmolearner;but I know it's just a jump so it's all good
1653130;1494257999;gizmolearner;asciilifeform: any ideas on how to write the flash through the probe?
1653131;1494258004;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wow rly ? that's ~all they did, bpg lifters, interposers and i guess some cable shits
1653132;1494258032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not a socket-f interposer, certainly. we're talking about a pretty hefty and expensive (impedance-matched, etc) thing.
1653133;1494258052;mircea_popescu;http://www.arieselec.com/products/data/23016-csp-hybrid-socket.htm neh ?
1653134;1494258072;asciilifeform;gizmolearner: you do it with induced pci write cycles. see 'flashrom' (i have the beginnings of a 'flashrom' back-end to sage, but not finished yet sadly)
1653135;1494258098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's a socket ! as in what goes on a mobo. not interposer.
1653136;1494258104;asciilifeform;interposer is this condom thing that goes UNDER cpu.
1653137;1494258111;asciilifeform;and still fits in stock socket. bringing out certain pins.
1653138;1494258135;mircea_popescu;dude... it has probes built in etc ?
1653139;1494258154;asciilifeform;the linked item is a socket. as in, solders onto a bare pcb.
1653140;1494258164;asciilifeform;as in, these are sold wherever. not rarity. and not at all useful for subj.
1653141;1494258179;mircea_popescu;i must not be understanding something.
1653142;1494258199;asciilifeform;aite, i'ma find a photo.
1653143;1494258206;mircea_popescu;you don't want to hook up one of these to a board, and use it to probe chip ?
1653144;1494258212;asciilifeform;https://cdn3.volusion.com/gqopm.ulhpm/v/vspfiles/photos/Q6UJ9A00RBLU-2.jpg << intel interposer.
1653145;1494258226;asciilifeform;sits down in a socket, and has ~second~ socket for cpu.
1653146;1494258249;asciilifeform;you can't solder a stock socket on top of a regular socket, no.
1653147;1494258268;asciilifeform;they have ball grids, and 0.01mm dimensional tolerance, and impedance match, etc.
1653148;1494258280;mircea_popescu;so not like eg http://www.arieselec.com/products/data/23026-bga-high-temp-burn-in-and-test-socket.htm ?
1653149;1494258283;asciilifeform;needs dedicated gizmo, to work.
1653150;1494258320;asciilifeform;exactly not like. 'test socket' is what folx used to call a 'zif', gizmo for use in factory to test ~chips~ on conveyor, rated for many insertion cycles and easy to open/close
1653151;1494258329;mircea_popescu;aha.
1653152;1494258351;mircea_popescu;and since gotta be impedance matched you'd expect they'd advertise it if they actually had it ?
1653153;1494258356;asciilifeform;right.
1653154;1494258360;mircea_popescu;ic.
1653155;1494258370;asciilifeform;it isn't a mass-produced, in the ordinary sense, item.
1653156;1494258382;asciilifeform;'letter from hitler.'
1653157;1494258454;mircea_popescu;i guess with the new leadless bs you'll ruin the board before you get the socket off anyway
1653158;1494258474;*;mircea_popescu is evidently stuck in the past.
1653159;1494258477;asciilifeform;soldering to an exposed ball is also out of the question
1653160;1494258480;asciilifeform;impedance.
1653161;1494258495;mircea_popescu;myeah
1653162;1494258496;asciilifeform;whole thing more or less has to be perfect, to work at all.
1653163;1494258522;mircea_popescu;brings the question wtf golden specked teflon they even make the interposers out of
1653164;1494258530;asciilifeform;literally teflon.
1653165;1494258533;asciilifeform;flex pcb
1653166;1494258535;mircea_popescu;i expect, yeah
1653167;1494258656;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner did you ever say what you did for a living or anything ?
1653168;1494258778;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653054 << lel!
1653169;1494258778;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 14:31 gizmolearner: I thought it was just a null password? https://www.embedi.com/files/white-papers/Silent-Bob-is-Silent.pdf
1653170;1494258787;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653116 << in usa , there exist braille lettering on ~drive-through~ atm.
1653171;1494258787;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 15:35 mircea_popescu: not like it's a rule everyone must drive, wear the same dumbass clothes and read reddit.
1653172;1494258793;asciilifeform;because indeed 'everyone must drive'
1653173;1494258800;asciilifeform;no auto ~= no legs
1653174;1494258809;mircea_popescu;yes but we were talking of actual people, not like americans.
1653175;1494258965;mircea_popescu;ok this has been one hell of an entertaining morning.
1653176;1494258985;mircea_popescu;"the password should be just as long as the password presented was, wut, problem???".
1653177;1494259014;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653086 << probe is actually not so hard to clone. problem is what to plug it into.
1653178;1494259014;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 15:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653018 << you know, maybe a proper probe might even make sense for nsa.
1653179;1494259026;asciilifeform;amd g-series has been properly crippled, as of 2y ago.
1653180;1494259030;asciilifeform;all new production affected.
1653181;1494259042;asciilifeform;this leaves 0 useful x86 cpu in current production.
1653182;1494259063;mircea_popescu;what did it do, looks for signed crapload or what was it ?
1653183;1494259068;asciilifeform;aha.
1653184;1494259089;mircea_popescu;1024b ?
1653185;1494259098;asciilifeform;2048
1653186;1494259106;mircea_popescu;o brother, luxurious fuckers are they.
1653187;1494259109;asciilifeform;now i've thought about having a mobo for ~classic~ opterons made. but this would easily go 10,000 $ a piece in small qty. and needs docs that i dun have.
1653188;1494259119;mircea_popescu;and decades idem
1653189;1494259145;asciilifeform;well no, no decade. but would have to get asic made, for southbridge
1653190;1494259155;asciilifeform;so equally painful as making new comp from 0.
1653191;1494259161;asciilifeform;no particular point in doing so, x86 gotta die.
1653192;1494259170;mircea_popescu;in the sense that rather make that, best make new comp. trb-i all over again.
1653193;1494259175;asciilifeform;aha!
1653194;1494259190;asciilifeform;'spittoon was in one strand'
1653195;1494259241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for my curiosity, does imperial drm tech look for a 2048 rsa or ec sig ?
1653196;1494259249;asciilifeform;2048 rsa
1653197;1494259250;mircea_popescu;not eating own dogfood, be they.
1653198;1494259259;asciilifeform;i even put the amd pubkeys in phuctor, recall.
1653199;1494259265;mircea_popescu;tsk tsk. but why, it's so insecure and ec is so much better and there's even this stuff on mediumgithub ?
1653200;1494259271;asciilifeform;recall the finn
1653201;1494259278;asciilifeform;he showed how to extract'em
1653202;1494259281;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1653203;1494259293;asciilifeform;iirc i got all known, at the time, variants, in there.
1653204;1494259304;mircea_popescu;lol if that pops, the unhappening should be lulzy to watch. from space preferably.
1653205;1494259318;asciilifeform;aha. but fat chance.
1653206;1494259330;mircea_popescu;hey. did you see the password length item above ?
1653207;1494259338;mircea_popescu;not like empire can hire above monkey.
1653208;1494259397;gizmolearner;ƒasciilifeform: pseudo code but LPC ISA (Bus 0,Device 20, Function 3).Spi_Base(90h).SPI_OpCode=ERASE look like a step in the right direction?
1653209;1494259440;mircea_popescu;wtf is that ƒ he keeps putting in there ?
1653210;1494259510;gizmolearner;Maybe RISC V will take over enough
1653211;1494259575;asciilifeform;would make 0 diff, to have it
1653212;1494259583;asciilifeform;if your box still has such things as intel NICs, DMA, pci.
1653213;1494259592;gizmolearner;mircea_popescu: used to do security software, goofed off for a few years, running out of savings so I need to either make something or get a job again
1653214;1494259625;mircea_popescu;seems rather like the whole nic-dma combo is being fortified as a wolf's last stand. i guess they expect ot lose cpus (to the chinese).
1653215;1494259639;mircea_popescu;!!key gizmolearner
1653216;1494259640;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/B147983D4E7087710B0DC9D0BA56F6ACA4219D40.asc
1653217;1494259658;asciilifeform;they already lost'em in pocket comp space ( to arm, which is still centralized/nato design, but tottering control )
1653218;1494259676;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner "used to do security software" as in, anonymously ?
1653219;1494259683;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1653220;1494259716;gizmolearner;McAfee/Network General/MyCio in the 90's
1653221;1494259747;mircea_popescu;yes, but as Joe Schmoe or as nobody in particular ?
1653222;1494259895;gizmolearner;I was software architect for the av group for a while, got their enterprise product started, got like 20 patents, decided I hated patents and was just working against my future self, left, couple startups that failed, nothing really too noteworthy
1653223;1494259985;mircea_popescu;did you publish anything at any point of this ?
1653224;1494259992;mircea_popescu;ah, ok, liek what patents ?
1653225;1494260128;gizmolearner;Saying would identify me, and I prefer to be somewhat anonymous for now.
1653226;1494260172;mircea_popescu;aite.
1653227;1494260628;gizmolearner;I'll say this about back then though, it was nice to have a company to buy thinigs like SoftIce and IDA.
1653228;1494260635;mircea_popescu;oh, for my own curiosity, as an anon data point : would you say spending a few years mid career working for failed start-ups makes one more money than working for corp ? less ? ~same ?
1653229;1494260657;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's experience -- less
1653230;1494260671;mircea_popescu;omg stop tainting the straw poll!
1653231;1494260679;asciilifeform;lolk
1653232;1494260774;gizmolearner;McAfee was sort of mid startup when I joined, so 90% of my money was from them becaause the stock was actually worth somthing. By startups I had higher salary, but it wasn't on a level to complete with the stock.
1653233;1494260818;gizmolearner;Work at Google or Facebook if you want money. If you are into something like deep learning you can earn probably in the mid six figures.
1653234;1494260880;mircea_popescu;oh, i'm worth like a billion give or take a few start-ups.
1653235;1494260882;gizmolearner;Even starting engineers make more than I did as a CTO for startups 10 years ago
1653236;1494260894;mircea_popescu;well yes, but the fiat is worth less.
1653237;1494260959;gizmolearner;Actually maybe 15 years ago.. Time flies
1653238;1494261033;mircea_popescu;like an arrow ; fruit flies fly like flies.
1653239;1494261531;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "you will always make more money tomorrow than yesterday, no matter what you do". sounds like a dream until you find out how the ustards implemented it in practice.
1653240;1494261665;*;asciilifeform knows very well, how.
1653241;1494261828;mircea_popescu;but you can make some great vhs tapes on this flimsy premise. who'll ever know.
1653242;1494262195;gizmolearner;mircea_popescu you might make more money in terms of amount, but not nescessarily in actual value. Might be true if you have enough money that your money makes money.
1653243;1494262223;gizmolearner;Although "always" is a loaded term
1653244;1494262228;mircea_popescu;no, that's what i meant, more nominally, worth ~nothing.
1653245;1494262242;mircea_popescu;just like socialism fails in general.
1653246;1494262312;mircea_popescu;the soviet hotties who willingly traded their charms for a cake of soap and two rolls of proper toilet paper whenever they could get the attentions of a not-born-among-retards visitor for long enough were nominally employed, in a nominally functioning empire, nominally making a great salary.
1653247;1494262371;gizmolearner;The Gulag Archipelago makes me want to retire from the human race. Capitalism is pretty broken, but I prefer it to what people in the USSR had to go through.
1653248;1494262382;mircea_popescu;capitalism is broken ?
1653249;1494262400;mircea_popescu;anyway, don't worry, it's definitely coming.
1653250;1494262627;gizmolearner;I think in the not so far future most poeple will be obsolete, so capatlisim is out. If machines can outthink and outwork the average person that is a lot of redundant people. On the plus side, the world would still be producing as much as ever. So what do we do ? Try socialsim again?
1653251;1494262695;mircea_popescu;can't say i follow those jumps.
1653252;1494262715;mircea_popescu;how is capitalism out just because most people are obsolete ? capitalism is here to stay, not people, and ESPECIALLY not the obsolete ones.
1653253;1494262740;mircea_popescu;they'll just get cooked as per swift's cookbook and that's the last anyone'll ever hear of them.
1653254;1494262836;mircea_popescu;but in any case -- socialism is always "tried" when the curve of worker consumption exceeds the industrial output, ie when there's a lot of idle, unmonetizable pretense going around. in other words, socialism is the scar tissue, papering over absent production, not ever the result of abundance.
1653255;1494262876;gizmolearner;After many years of slow growth, AI is currently looking to be on an unstoppable path. If a machine that costs $.25 an hour to run can out think a person who costs $50 an hour. What should the people do? Capatilism says the machines should win the jobs. So no you have factories and things that require almost no people, but still produce as much as ever. And a lot of unemployable people.
1653256;1494262885;mircea_popescu;the us is turning socialist because average us produced cuntlet can't bridge the gap between what she thinks her priceless snowflake of a snatch is worth and what i might consider paying.
1653257;1494262911;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner you need to be thinking on a machine costing a quarter an hour to arrive at the conclusion a machine could outthink some guy making money.
1653258;1494262944;mircea_popescu;mind that people making 50 an hour "to think" are simply enjoying the upper tier of welfare. just like the idiot blue collar is paid 12 an hour to get out of the way, so is the idiot white collar paid 50 an hour.
1653259;1494262961;mircea_popescu;neither is producing any value, the whole thing is "this is cheaper than shooting you, so far."
1653260;1494263033;gizmolearner;At some point the people revolt, and they also have guns.
1653261;1494263058;mircea_popescu;lol ok.
1653262;1494263063;mircea_popescu;and shoot what, transformer stations ?
1653263;1494263085;mircea_popescu;i don't think you either know or could meet if you dedicated a year to it someone possessed of an ai capable of identifying who the fuck to shoot.
1653264;1494263099;mircea_popescu;even if you had a large supply of quarters for this new laundromat.
1653265;1494263128;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653024 << yeah uh don't wear contacts in the machine shop
1653266;1494263128;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 13:21 asciilifeform: no good in machine shop, no good in organic chem lab, no good anywhere but perfumed throne room finery.
1653267;1494263147;mircea_popescu;people do not revolt. "people", like submissive wives, will only move out when they identify some other thing to move into.
1653268;1494263158;mircea_popescu;until then, will happily boil like frogs, these "people".
1653269;1494263174;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes or rather, wear the plastic thing over them, like everyone in machine shop does anyway.
1653270;1494263182;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653028 << regularly. "when i'm rich!!!1"
1653271;1494263182;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 13:24 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652887 << ever considered the laser job ?
1653272;1494263192;gizmolearner;Do you agree with the premise that at some point most (if not all) of the population will be obsolete?
1653273;1494263194;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it costs less than new lappy iirc
1653274;1494263195;mircea_popescu;same in chem lab. you are of course wearing airtight goggles, yes ? then ?
1653275;1494263207;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner i actually believe that point was cca 2005.
1653276;1494263213;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~nobody actually wears the school goggles in actual lab. they 'sweat'.
1653277;1494263216;mircea_popescu;anyway. past not future event.
1653278;1494263239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform get good ones. but anyway, i do, in the grand total i dunno, 100 hours i spent in a chem lab over three decades.
1653279;1494263271;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: outside of uni ?
1653280;1494263284;ben_vulpes;yeah i wore 'em. sweat and all.
1653281;1494263286;mircea_popescu;bout half.
1653282;1494263299;asciilifeform;i've yet to meet these, 'good ones', sweat evaporates and condenses inside the lenses, ick.
1653283;1494263299;gizmolearner;So if we go further and say at some point everyone is obsolete, then you are left with a power struggle between those who happened to be in a place of power and those who aren't so fortunate. All are potentially obsolete.
1653284;1494263301;mircea_popescu;hard to draw this "ouitside of uni" line, but first approx.
1653285;1494263313;ben_vulpes;also proper impact resistant glasses when i had to sojurn across the fab floor when i did that.
1653286;1494263317;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner no. just because most women are unfuckable doesn't mean all are. or ever will be.
1653287;1494263336;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i wear 'riot shield' face thing in machine shop. worx great. and 0 sweating.
1653288;1494263340;mircea_popescu;planet is about 99% pork bellies belabouring under the delusion of humanity. this fat will be trimmed, but the process or the delusion speak not to actual people.
1653289;1494263355;ben_vulpes;oh yeah those are great asciilifeform
1653290;1494263364;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, yeah, popular with welders, that thing, and cnc mill people.
1653291;1494263367;ben_vulpes;relatedly, imagine my relief upgrading to the self-darkening welding mask
1653292;1494263383;asciilifeform;these are mightily spiffy.
1653293;1494263393;mircea_popescu;heliomatic glass is cheap now eh.
1653294;1494263396;ben_vulpes;imagine learning to strike an arc without one!
1653295;1494263432;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653118 << also ruins the peripheral vision, demanding more head-swiveling
1653296;1494263432;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 15:35 mircea_popescu: and yes you have some dB loss because of the resistence of the medium. "i couldn't see that light officer". of course not, it was faint and you were wearing glasses.
1653297;1494263459;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i wasn't even going to go into how i spot a lot more tiny geckos, lost earrings, etc than my glass-blessed friends.
1653298;1494263462;gizmolearner;Yeah, but who will be left over? If people are actually obsolete, it's just a popularity contest in then end.
1653299;1494263469;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: true :( (painfully aware of it)...
1653300;1494263475;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner well, that's what the republic is for. literally, tmsr = the republic of the leftover.
1653301;1494263489;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: now imagine you have a car that actually goes fast
1653302;1494263502;*;Framedragger goes to rearrange life
1653303;1494263503;mircea_popescu;to make it a wot contest rather than a popularity contest, ie, to remove the franchise from the britney spears demo.
1653304;1494263521;gizmolearner;tmsr?
1653305;1494263531;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i long ago came to terms with my poor acuity.
1653306;1494263540;ben_vulpes;gizmolearner: "the most serene republic (of bitcoin)"
1653307;1494263568;mircea_popescu;i guess he doesn't care for chan topics.
1653308;1494263622;ben_vulpes;i will admit to the same
1653309;1494263627;gizmolearner;Sorry, came in via loper-os. Wasn't really here for politics.
1653310;1494263630;mircea_popescu;hey, me too. what's one to do ?
1653311;1494263645;ben_vulpes;"it's there, i guess we gotta put something in it"
1653312;1494263657;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner honestly i don't think anyone is. politics is like cleanning, nobody builds himself a lab for the joy of having to clean it up periodically.
1653313;1494263661;asciilifeform;gizmolearner: keep in mind that the article that brought you here, would not exist if not but for the 'politics'.
1653314;1494263681;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, a lab that nobody spends time cleaning shows it.
1653315;1494263703;ben_vulpes;clean up after every shift!
1653316;1494263704;mircea_popescu;well, then again alf might be the exception. hey, do you enjoy cleaning the lab ?
1653317;1494263705;asciilifeform;asciilifeform did not clean up the year+ of work that led to it for publication 'for the lulz' or for whatever idiot reddit reason.
1653318;1494263717;ben_vulpes;let no leeb leave undiscomfited
1653319;1494263717;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i clean by moving to new lab, lol
1653320;1494263728;mircea_popescu;next you're going to tell me silk comes out your ass.
1653321;1494263744;asciilifeform;pbwwwkfft.
1653322;1494263747;mircea_popescu;lol
1653323;1494263769;mircea_popescu;srsly, this is also how silkworms clean up their lab. better make sure you got a new layer of mulberry leaves atop for them to move to OR ELSE THEY DIE!!
1653324;1494263773;mircea_popescu;silkworm dun care!
1653325;1494263803;asciilifeform;it's the only tru way to properly clean anything!111 phakt!!
1653326;1494263843;mircea_popescu;leik how they cleanned up europe cca 1500 yes ?
1653327;1494263857;asciilifeform;aaha
1653328;1494263985;mircea_popescu;well... maybe the tremendously ever-improving ai opens up a whole bunch of galaxies' worth of new leaves, like sf promised.
1653329;1494263995;mircea_popescu;god knows they were right about the flying cars / submerged cities, so why not this also.
1653330;1494264016;mircea_popescu;not like we can do math or know enough physics to know what to do math upon or anything.
1653331;1494264041;asciilifeform;gotta also love the 'imminent mega-ai' from the same folx who brought us crashing microshit excel.
1653332;1494264046;asciilifeform;and c.
1653333;1494264119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fun fact : i was walking with a girl, she groks maths and things, we were lulzing at the socioeconomic/politicoscamful aspect of qc. ended up discussing its future, i said it's on the outs, no gimmick long outlives its failure to produce anything, and the qc has been promising stuff for long enough now. i said, "i just dunno what they're moving to next, but they'll move".
1653334;1494264125;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653301 << gotta love the folx who buy 12-cyl mazeratis to go REALLYREALLYFAST!!! between same red lights as the toyota goes
1653335;1494264125;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 17:11 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: now imagine you have a car that actually goes fast
1653336;1494264126;mircea_popescu;i have a pretty good guess by now : ai.
1653337;1494264133;mircea_popescu;apparently the winter was temporary.
1653338;1494264163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta disagree, hot-fusor seems to be immortal grantomatic
1653339;1494264173;asciilifeform;despite 100% expensive, massive -ev.
1653340;1494264185;ben_vulpes;"one season following another/laden with happiness and tears"
1653341;1494264230;asciilifeform;philosopher's stones can live for centuries.
1653342;1494264231;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: just because you don't have open highways doesn't mean they don't exist, aren't used
1653343;1494264253;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the autobahn without the speed booby exists somewhere near valhalla, in asgard.
1653344;1494264282;ben_vulpes;it's a cost, ya pay it
1653345;1494264286;gizmolearner;sorry chat client died
1653346;1494264300;ben_vulpes;y'also buy a valentine
1653347;1494264308;asciilifeform;a what?
1653348;1494264312;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner you know how to use the logs ?
1653349;1494264325;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: radar/laser detector
1653350;1494264337;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you are posting from 1980s ?
1653351;1494264341;asciilifeform;these do 0 against camera trap
1653352;1494264354;ben_vulpes;ah this
1653353;1494264355;asciilifeform;( and hefty fine if found in a search )
1653354;1494264357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform zee germanz have no speed limit thing.
1653355;1494264360;ben_vulpes;no fine here.
1653356;1494264372;ben_vulpes;also cameras only deployed in cities out here.
1653357;1494264376;asciilifeform;neato. ben_vulpes's city must be 100% cameratronic then
1653358;1494264397;ben_vulpes;mostly, yes
1653359;1494264398;asciilifeform;( in east usa there are still some radars, and massive fines for radar trap finder )
1653360;1494264410;ben_vulpes;but they only park the vans in certain places, have to put up signs some quarter mile before
1653361;1494264424;ben_vulpes;programmatic speed limit enforcement is politically fraught out here.
1653362;1494264430;ben_vulpes;regressive, you see.
1653363;1494264441;ben_vulpes;cops need the freedom to go after the maseratis alone.
1653364;1494264444;gizmolearner;http://btcbase.org/log/
1653365;1494264446;gizmolearner;?
1653366;1494264447;asciilifeform;i'll repeat my old verdict: the fastest, most luxurious, most cushioned, most speedtrap-proof auto, is ~not having to drive~
1653367;1494264449;Framedragger;gizmolearner: http://btcbase.org/log ; http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema ; http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today ; pasting anchor hrefs from the first and the last will make bots sitting in channel quote those lines
1653368;1494264460;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: we are not talking of "having" to drive
1653369;1494264465;ben_vulpes;but driving as a thing done for fun.
1653370;1494264467;asciilifeform;not-having-to-drive beats mazerati, aston-martin, bentley, all in one
1653371;1494264488;ben_vulpes;yes yes
1653372;1494264495;asciilifeform;one day i want to be shown this place where 'driving is fun'
1653373;1494264500;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta love the folx who buy 12-cyl mazeratis to go REALLYREALLYFAST!!! between same red lights as the toyota goes << oh i had the lulz of all time with this yest. so we were coming back, in cab. on other side, porsche SUV! black! dude just peels off like crazy, in the middle of the night. i go "hey, i think he won" and dun think more of it. till... guess who's lined up at next stop ? oh, us and them. so i turn a
1653374;1494264500;mircea_popescu;round and turkey the driver. total idiot look, you know the "drab tshirt, close shaved for beard and hair, stupid glasses" i-m-a-java-engineer look ?
1653375;1494264512;mircea_popescu;both dude and his girl pretend to not notice. they peel off again
1653376;1494264514;asciilifeform;i had an old colleague who lived in arizona, in the desert, had sov 'ural' motorbike.
1653377;1494264520;asciilifeform;for him, i can picture, driving -- fun
1653378;1494264531;asciilifeform;but for people in civilization?!
1653379;1494264533;mircea_popescu;next stop, girl mooses him. but like, in all seriousness, turns around, does it. she's in a cocktail dress, i'm in a suit, they're NOT LOOKING
1653380;1494264545;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you radically overestimate civilization density out west.
1653381;1494264557;ben_vulpes;everyone lives in cities. cities are very small.
1653382;1494264579;mircea_popescu;gizmolearner yes. you can maintain coversation continuity even if your connection fails. so no need to apologize.
1653383;1494264580;asciilifeform;what's to 'moose' ?
1653384;1494264589;ben_vulpes;are also deserts
1653385;1494264593;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thumbs connected to tempe on either side, rest of fingers apart moving
1653386;1494264598;asciilifeform;aah
1653387;1494264607;mircea_popescu;as opposed to turkey, then pinky and thumb touch, other thumb touches nose.
1653388;1494264649;mircea_popescu;(for some reason this bothers birds. turkeys are very reactive. then again all sorts of things bother birds -- when we checked out the parrots had to have girls take hats off. bothers them sometrhing fierce.)
1653389;1494264665;*;asciilifeform had nfi !
1653390;1494264684;mircea_popescu;yeah. i think birds deeply care about your head plumage, which you might not even known you had.
1653391;1494264780;asciilifeform;lol!!
1653392;1494264781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform talk to mthreat, he did the "driving for fun" thjing for a while. eventually moved on to buying jets and shit. addictions are addcitive!!!
1653393;1494264789;asciilifeform;jets -- i can see
1653394;1494264794;asciilifeform;but wheelbarrow!
1653395;1494264801;mircea_popescu;gotta start somewhere.
1653396;1494264816;mircea_popescu;most people who eat well ate shit growing up, also. what can you do. mobile world.
1653397;1494264819;asciilifeform;i knew a d00d who had a g-sensor on the dash of his 500 horse bmw. laughable.
1653398;1494264824;asciilifeform;what g can you pull in wheelbarrow.
1653399;1494264827;asciilifeform;on city road.
1653400;1494264838;mircea_popescu;you can calc this, neh ?
1653401;1494264851;asciilifeform;you can. can also empirically see. iirc maxed at 2.
1653402;1494264859;mircea_popescu;500 hp prima facie sounds like it could in principle give you a 4-5.
1653403;1494264867;asciilifeform;(forward, that is. sudden braking is not anybody's idea of lulz)
1653404;1494264877;mircea_popescu;but it's good g's. they're bad when rotating occipitally.
1653405;1494264891;asciilifeform;5g will separate your wheels from chassis, lol
1653406;1494264903;mircea_popescu;nah.
1653407;1494264920;asciilifeform;this was konsoomer auto, not 'formula1'
1653408;1494264935;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform presuming for unknown reasons acceleration constant, there's a strict relation between it and 0-60 timings.
1653409;1494264986;ben_vulpes;lateral g's are an interesting thing to keep an eye on
1653410;1494264998;mircea_popescu;aha.
1653411;1494265020;asciilifeform;i always wondered why 'speed devils' don't drive hovercraft.
1653412;1494265026;asciilifeform;it seems entirely the thing to do.
1653413;1494265028;mircea_popescu;ie, given 0-60 in 1 second, that would be about 2.77 g
1653414;1494265051;ben_vulpes;but also if you're the sort of person who side-loads yr tyres a) you undestand that stick is not purely a function of lateral g's b) you deliberately break traction when you want to anyways
1653415;1494265056;mircea_popescu;!~calc 60 * 1.6 / 3.6 / 10
1653416;1494265058;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 60 * 1.6 / 3.6 / 10 = 2.666666666666667
1653417;1494265062;mircea_popescu;wutever.
1653418;1494265136;asciilifeform;hovercraft is controllable in lateral, as well as forward motion (unlike wheels); and comes with unbeatable emergency brake...
1653419;1494265204;asciilifeform;( and if you see a head-on collision coming, can gun the vertical thruster and try to jump over it... )
1653420;1494265218;mircea_popescu;aghagaga
1653421;1494265228;mircea_popescu;jumping hovercrafts, eh ?
1653422;1494265267;asciilifeform;this is 20th c. tech, nothing martian about it
1653423;1494265280;asciilifeform;su built 10,000 tonne hover.
1653424;1494265282;mircea_popescu;tis funny.
1653425;1494265535;asciilifeform;speaking of auto, i recently for the first time in entire life saw a 'bentley'.
1653426;1494265586;mircea_popescu;didja take pics leaning on it ?
1653427;1494265590;asciilifeform;nope.
1653428;1494265610;mircea_popescu;what a waste!
1653429;1494265610;asciilifeform;somehow did not think of it. and not of wearing silver dishes on head, either...
1653430;1494265615;mircea_popescu;lol
1653431;1494265637;asciilifeform;i did take photo of water, from yacht, but it's a snore, didn't even feel like posting.
1653432;1494265637;mircea_popescu;speakingf of which, upper crust costarica folk are really fond of silver plate.
1653433;1494265646;mircea_popescu;i think i've 50lbs on the premises.
1653434;1494265646;asciilifeform;everyone knows what sea loooks like already.
1653435;1494265667;mircea_popescu;that and trunks. everyone got numerous trunks.
1653436;1494265701;*;asciilifeform cements image of mircea_popesculandia as treasure island now in head
1653437;1494265703;asciilifeform;yarrr.
1653438;1494265708;mircea_popescu;for srs.
1653439;1494265711;mircea_popescu;"estilo colonial"
1653440;1494265722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the coins are totally like dubloons, too.
1653441;1494265777;*;asciilifeform can picture it
1653442;1494266014;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653047 << this is a slow-burning effort, Framedragger . currently stuck on finding a pin diode that 1) has any uv sensitivity to speak of 2) doesn't cost its weight in diamonds
1653443;1494266014;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 14:14 Framedragger: asciilifeform: are you planning on building an entropy source based on them, then? :) need a good uv light reader, or something?
1653444;1494266043;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not simply repurpose array of old soapdish camera ?
1653445;1494266070;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we're talking 430nm or so
1653446;1494266088;asciilifeform;this doesn't even go through plexiglas.
1653447;1494266091;mircea_popescu;i don't think there exists more accessible sensitive photodiode.
1653448;1494266098;mircea_popescu;no you expose it directly.
1653449;1494266121;asciilifeform;at the amplification needed, ccd is ~100% own noise
1653450;1494266132;asciilifeform;(which is no good for rng, for reasons explored in older thread)
1653451;1494266140;asciilifeform;common n00b mistake -- 'use ccd'
1653452;1494266160;mircea_popescu;well then your problem is insoluble innit ?
1653453;1494266172;asciilifeform;soluble presently for 50bux/ea.
1653454;1494266175;asciilifeform;i'd like cheaper.
1653455;1494266182;mircea_popescu;50 bux is "Weight in diamonds" ?
1653456;1494266191;asciilifeform;for 100mg diode aha
1653457;1494266212;mircea_popescu;a carat is 200mg.
1653458;1494266226;asciilifeform;!~google silicon photomultiplier
1653459;1494266227;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Silicon photomultiplier - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_photomultiplier>; An Introduction to the Silicon Photomultiplier - SensL: <http://www.sensl.com/downloads/ds/TN%2520-%2520Intro%2520to%2520SPM%2520Tech.pdf>; Silicon Photomultipliers (SiPM) | Hamamatsu Photonics: <http://www.hamamatsu.com/jp/en/community/silicon_photomultipliers/>
1653460;1494266232;asciilifeform;^ them ^
1653461;1494266240;mircea_popescu;aha.
1653462;1494266270;mircea_popescu;wedding ring consisting of half carat pin diode should be interesting idea anyway.
1653463;1494266271;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that afaik nobody's ever tried THIS application.
1653464;1494266278;asciilifeform;and conceivably much cheaper, poor sensors, will work
1653465;1494266286;asciilifeform;because rng is NOT concerned with accurate photon counts
1653466;1494266294;asciilifeform;if it catches 1 in 500, still great!
1653467;1494266353;asciilifeform;i dun even care about background gamma, but only the 'own goals' from the Lu's ~3% unstable isotope itself
1653468;1494266369;asciilifeform;(which is why LYSO and not, e.g., BGO)
1653469;1494266500;asciilifeform;gamma rng has certain advantages which cannot be had any other way
1653470;1494266524;asciilifeform;1 ) cannot be influenced from outside, certainly without you knowing about it, not by 'all the king's horses and all the king's men'
1653471;1494266538;asciilifeform;2 ) trivially verified to work exactly as described, incl. the analogue 'business end'
1653472;1494266560;asciilifeform;3 ) trivially boosted to almost any bit rate you might want, by simple expedient of putting 'test capsule' from geiger kit in the box...
1653473;1494266579;asciilifeform;4 ) as bonus, acts as detector of radiological monkey business against your facility.
1653474;1494266595;mircea_popescu;it also has the major drawback that it's soaking up time and where's the rsa thing.
1653475;1494266624;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rsa thing is complete other than the exponentiator -- currently on asciilifeform's desk, on grid paper..
1653476;1494266632;mircea_popescu;aha
1653477;1494266633;asciilifeform;gotta have the constant-time exponentiator .
1653478;1494266648;asciilifeform;btw anybody other than phf` and mod6 built the example from earlier ?
1653479;1494266667;asciilifeform;gentlemen, get yer gnats in working order. will need them shortly.
1653480;1494266670;Framedragger;(not yet, but plan to later)
1653481;1494266678;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653398 << best driver i knew was chinese, drove a beat up honda (mazda? acura?) that would cut off the engine at 120 mph, so he would drive it on 119. he'd get into racing fancy cars, and of course they can dust him on acceleration, etc. but he'll always overcome them by being a) habitually good b) calculatedly reckless
1653482;1494266678;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 17:33 asciilifeform: what g can you pull in wheelbarrow.
1653483;1494266779;asciilifeform;phf`: endurance hunter, lol
1653484;1494266936;mircea_popescu;sounds like it.
1653485;1494266984;mircea_popescu;anyway, only true manly race is the item depicted in, iirc, rebel without a cause. a) steal car ; b) meet at precipice ; c) last man to stand on two feet wins.
1653486;1494267027;asciilifeform;'chicken'
1653487;1494267035;mircea_popescu;nah, that's driving at each other.
1653488;1494267053;asciilifeform;why not old-fashioned pistol duel.
1653489;1494267055;asciilifeform;cheaper.
1653490;1494267065;mircea_popescu;it's for suburban kids. stealing mom's sedan dun fucking count.
1653491;1494267074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform since when is cheaper an argument.
1653492;1494267114;asciilifeform;i suppose very rich can duel with colliding 'boeings' also, why not.
1653493;1494267130;mircea_popescu;the cars are stolen. rich dunenter into it.
1653494;1494267147;mircea_popescu;if you fucking buy it you already lost wtf is this.
1653495;1494267152;asciilifeform;would suck if you stole one that gives out unexpectedly.
1653496;1494267160;mircea_popescu;hey, be a less shitty thief.
1653497;1494267176;asciilifeform;steal directly from importer!111
1653498;1494267187;mircea_popescu;as per that resounding "n-am vazut niciodata hot mai prost decit prostu' care se vrea hot"
1653499;1494267199;asciilifeform;not wholly unrelatedly!! :
1653500;1494267232;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was recently buying faraday ~bags~ to test, after noticing that they have become cheap and ubiquitous, and then went to find WHY
1653501;1494267247;asciilifeform;turns out, there is a simple electrical hijack that is now used against expensive autos,
1653502;1494267251;asciilifeform;'rf range extender attack'
1653503;1494267281;asciilifeform;where upscale auto now likes to start engine immediately 'as owner walks in', from pure proximity (it is continuously polling 'is the key here??' like idiot)
1653504;1494267300;asciilifeform;so to steal it, all you need is to artificially help the key box hear the interrogator antenna, and vice-versa.
1653505;1494267344;asciilifeform;this is apparently done, today, on massive scale, and handily circumvents whatever alarms, etc.
1653506;1494267413;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/yxcbL << see also.
1653507;1494267470;mircea_popescu;aha.
1653508;1494267520;mircea_popescu;modern cars implemented the equivalent of "wtf is the point of locking door" from back in the day of hillside communities.
1653509;1494267525;mircea_popescu;except ofcourse without the communities.
1653510;1494267534;asciilifeform;this is exactly same thread as with the credit cards
1653511;1494267540;asciilifeform;auto vendors profit from theft.
1653512;1494267548;asciilifeform;( stolen auto ? gotta get new one )
1653513;1494267640;ben_vulpes;make anti theft devices lethal again
1653514;1494267682;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how'd you like to be stuck in traffic behind idiot who sets off own grenade by mistake.
1653515;1494267701;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no because the culling of the herd must be "popularity contest" less the thinking monekys desert the empire.
1653516;1494267704;asciilifeform;'oops mistyped code'
1653517;1494267714;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what traffic ?
1653518;1494267718;phf`;magnavolt!
1653519;1494267725;mircea_popescu;take two months off, come back to empty streets.
1653520;1494267726;phf`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMtqRir7dco
1653521;1494267735;asciilifeform;if only
1653522;1494267746;mircea_popescu;i wish atms pilloried obnoxious sheilas typing in wrong pins n times.
1653523;1494267898;asciilifeform;police radio in this town is maybe 40% 'check on tripped alarm' 'oops, nothing'
1653524;1494267942;asciilifeform;or think of car alarm, most of the time it is what ? wind ? bird shit ?
1653525;1494267961;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i don't get stuck in traffic
1653526;1494267984;asciilifeform;the 'trap alive' solution is imho neato tho. car stops, locks. if the d00d inside has title to it -- they let'im go.
1653527;1494267997;asciilifeform;( if he doesn't, why not hang him ? )
1653528;1494268024;ben_vulpes;how does this work when i send my brother out in my car to do something?
1653529;1494268046;asciilifeform;simple, you pick him up before hanged, 'this is my brother'
1653530;1494268052;ben_vulpes;also implying title is in car?
1653531;1494268061;asciilifeform;title is presumably with the local lord.
1653532;1494268069;asciilifeform;or however titles work in your monkeystan.
1653533;1494268087;ben_vulpes;well there's the piece of paper or db record
1653534;1494268096;mircea_popescu;this reduces to "a complicated gui built atop the basic idea of "just hang the poor" except with various fashionable colorings thrown in for marketing".
1653535;1494268103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, britain, 1700s.
1653536;1494268117;mircea_popescu;seems a shoddy way to design. you want to hang the poor, hang the poor.
1653537;1494268120;asciilifeform;they didn't simply 'hang the poor' tho. ~uppity~ poor
1653538;1494268129;asciilifeform;breed the malleable poor.
1653539;1494268135;mircea_popescu;ie active poor, ie aspirational class, ie 100% of usg by mass.
1653540;1494268137;asciilifeform;fuck the fuckable poor. etc
1653541;1494268189;asciilifeform;i dunno what form of social organization lacks some kind of 'hang rustlers'.
1653542;1494268216;asciilifeform;you -- them, or they -- you, tertium non datur
1653543;1494268217;phf`;hanging uppity poor by will of lord seems a lot more romantic than same by process of pervasive surveillance bureaucracy
1653544;1494268278;ben_vulpes;cheaper, too
1653545;1494268373;asciilifeform;'by will of lord' is what ? sultan selim using own subjects randomly for target practice from the parapet ?
1653546;1494268384;asciilifeform;not esp. good pr, and accomplishes 0
1653547;1494268402;asciilifeform;sort, somehow, the candidates .
1653548;1494268404;phf`;will of lord as in "don't go hunting in my forest"
1653549;1494268408;asciilifeform;this yes.
1653550;1494268419;asciilifeform;'don't go pinching lord's auto' is same deal.
1653551;1494268445;mircea_popescu;!#s rate -10
1653552;1494268446;a111;132 results for "rate -10", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rate%20-10
1653553;1494268448;mircea_popescu;^ that.
1653554;1494268490;asciilifeform;rate unknownthief -1001 does what exactly.
1653555;1494268516;mircea_popescu;ah, no, if unknown then valid subject to target practice.
1653556;1494268517;phf`;re i've had this visceral moment of "cheaper also" when i was standing in the part of topkapi palace where sultan was making decisions, and the guided slowly and patiently explained "no, this is all of the government. sultan here says what needs to be done to this other guy there, and that's that".
1653557;1494268525;mircea_popescu;"you wouldn't give passport to furniture???"
1653558;1494268529;phf`;*the guide
1653559;1494268557;asciilifeform;phf`: fuhrerprinzip!111
1653560;1494268570;mircea_popescu;nah, not really.
1653561;1494268584;mircea_popescu;fuhrerprinzip is a lot more in the vein of usian miracle diets.
1653562;1494268594;asciilifeform;it's an ideal object, wat.
1653563;1494268608;mircea_popescu;as you use it, i gather. as the historical element, not so much.
1653564;1494268613;asciilifeform;'buck stops here', in the words of the original usians.
1653565;1494268614;phf`;asciilifeform: as opposed to wat, make sure to consult condoleezza and her 5000 sister spawn?
1653566;1494268636;mircea_popescu;phf` 1001 nights is all about that yes ?
1653567;1494268648;asciilifeform;phf`: i dun see any respectable alternative to fuhrerprinzip.
1653568;1494268656;asciilifeform;it's how working organizations -- work.
1653569;1494268668;mircea_popescu;teach the uppity poor to read and write as an escape from the hanging, they'll be penning subversive treatises about asking condolezza and her 5000 sister conclave.
1653570;1494268677;asciilifeform;alternative is,  yes, insect life.
1653571;1494268766;mircea_popescu;kinda why the black genocide ongoing in the us is so lulzy. here are some ~africans, dedicated fundamentally an' by nature to being lazy, confronted with either become wasps, "tryinna make it in this game" or else indians, part of the bureaucracy. possibly the two LEAST adequate passtimes for black man, ghetto gangsta or university professors, are what they must do!!!
1653572;1494268783;mircea_popescu;has a certain kind of ironic sublimicity, the thing.
1653573;1494268841;mircea_popescu;really, black dude's gonna be the carefee highway robber of 2020 ? what next, samoan ballerinas, gypsy wrestlers, what.
1653574;1494268857;asciilifeform;lolwat genocide. i went to annapolis , mega-rich ~100%-of-visible-people white and yacht-riding. walked by a school yard -- guess what, 100% dark faces.
1653575;1494268877;asciilifeform;there's only 1 genocide going in usa nao.
1653576;1494268882;asciilifeform;and it ain't of the africans.
1653577;1494268884;mircea_popescu;genocide comes from genus!
1653578;1494269979;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-3-once-outside-the-terminal/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 3 - Once outside the terminal
1653579;1494274823;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1653580;1494274830;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1615.8, vol: 17614.37403308 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1596.0, vol: 8693.63804 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1688.9, vol: 16614.88335759 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1285.825448, vol: 8410.80110000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1624.692, vol: 9011.88418159 | Volume-weighted last average: 1588.41103976
1653581;1494276741;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: re: black genocide, Soldiers of Aztlan have captured *COMPTON*, KKKalifornia from the blacks. The same Compton of "Straight out of Compton" fame.
1653582;1494277145;phf`;i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots"
1653583;1494277149;phf`;*think
1653584;1494277373;asciilifeform;in other noose, latest fg orders shipped.
1653585;1494277431;BingoBoingo;!~google compton black genocide
1653586;1494277432;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Attack on family in Compton latest incident in wave of anti- black ...: <http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/25/local/la-me-0126-compton-20130126>; ' Compton : A Soundtrack,' and Dr. Dre's L.A. legacy - LA Times: <http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-ca-ms-sasha-frere-jones-straight-outta-compton-la-rap-20150816-story.html>; Demographic shift: Compton's new Latino majority | Al Jazeera ...: (1 more message)
1653587;1494277436;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653582 << speaking of, e.g., sending children to a white school costing $mil or moar, etc
1653588;1494277436;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 20:59 phf`: i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots"
1653589;1494277450;BingoBoingo;^ phf, no literal systemic eradication
1653590;1494277763;phf`;i think that traditionally would be called pogrom, rather than genocide. problem is that unlike jews, coptics, parsi, etc. american blacks don't have a culture to fallback to, and their persecution narrative is artificially constructed, so they just fall back. there's not going to be a tzadik in projects, unmovable, because torah told him to suffer
1653591;1494277826;asciilifeform;phf`: this'd likewise describe ~all of 'white' world at this point.
1653592;1494277835;asciilifeform;no culture to sit on.
1653593;1494277844;asciilifeform;just mcculture instead.
1653594;1494277852;asciilifeform;in orlol's words, 'human-lite'
1653595;1494278280;phf`;i dunno, i'm not convinced of that. orlol's target audience are cultural honkies, people who otherwise would be wiggers or otaku or "i'm irish, 5 generations ago". yes, those people don't have any culture, but it's chiefly american problem. i'm not convinced it extends to the rest of the world that well
1653596;1494278300;asciilifeform;if there's a mcshitfood in the place, it extends.
1653597;1494278337;asciilifeform;only a question of time.
1653598;1494278565;phf`;when i was growing up, mcdonalds was a place where you go to get a milkshake before going out. nobody ever thought about it as food, because people cooked at home and still do. i noticed this in paris this time, how similar mcdonalds is, that it's not food and not treated as such. it's a place where you go to experience american. if there was going to be qualitative jump where bulk of population considers mcdonalds primary source of nutrients, i suspe
1653599;1494278565;phf`;ct it would've happened already
1653600;1494278626;asciilifeform;fr, it turned out, was to be eaten by halifate, not usa.
1653601;1494278639;asciilifeform;i have nfi presently what their mcdonalds looks like.
1653602;1494278700;asciilifeform;as for 'experience american', there are all kinds of insane folx, there are even people who go to chernobyl to experience .
1653603;1494278727;asciilifeform;i for one have nfi why anybody at this point would want to 'experience american', rather than run as fast as his legs would carry him, in opposite direction.
1653604;1494278834;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the point is Working White America likes the idea of wall, Black America NEEDS wall
1653605;1494278894;diana_coman;asciilifeform, some people are barely catching up with x years ago for any value of x really; some go to 'experience Inca' or whatever
1653606;1494279003;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://d1jn4vzj53eli5.cloudfront.net/mc/2017_05/bok-swamp.jpg
1653607;1494279171;asciilifeform;in yet-other, lulzier-yet lulz, https://archive.is/wRzSJ >> 'Trayvon Martin, the Florida teenager whose shooting death by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in 2012 prompted a national debate over racial profiling and civil rights, will be awarded a posthumous university degree in aeronautical science that reflects the 17-year-old’s dream of becoming a pilot before he was killed.'
1653608;1494279174;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1653609;1494279178;phf`;asciilifeform: some people are so far removed from american experience, they will order coca cola with their croissant and feel international for speaking english with you
1653610;1494279200;phf`;ahaha
1653611;1494279254;asciilifeform;source of lulz -- http://dyspepsiageneration.com << somebody invite him over ?
1653612;1494279539;asciilifeform;in other hilaribad, http://urbit.org/fora/posts/~2017.2.10..07.20.41..fdda~/
1653613;1494279547;asciilifeform;'There is a revision system out in the wild called v. It defines source code, or other data under version control, as a function of patches and their authorship, as sealed. Being a product of the Most Serene Republic, it is Spartan, manual, and instructive to Urbit's aspirations.'
1653614;1494279769;ben_vulpes;lol, instructive to urbit's aspirations indeed
1653615;1494279804;ben_vulpes;what are those again? being the wholly-owned sillycon valley bitcoin/namespace table?
1653616;1494279811;asciilifeform;nfi!!
1653617;1494279841;asciilifeform;i'd imagine at this point some 'reality setting in' and scaling down of appetites -- but what would i know.
1653618;1494279851;ben_vulpes;fuckin hilarious, "urbit's aspirations", surely you mean yarvin et al's aspirations
1653619;1494279893;ben_vulpes;cute attempt to assign agency to a collective though
1653620;1494279925;phf`;i think, but i might be wrong, it's this guy https://github.com/mnemnion who posted above
1653621;1494279925;asciilifeform;in other lulzies from my www log, http://www.vaikan.com/man-vs-machine << cn fans.
1653622;1494279988;ben_vulpes;schmaltzman can't even get the name right
1653623;1494280364;asciilifeform;'And cc-release is our first release really designed so that neither your ship, nor the whole network, can actually sink. The Urbit network had zero unplanned, and one planned, breach (network flag day) in 2H 2016. The last planned breach, the cc-release update, is planned for 1H 2017.'
1653624;1494280384;asciilifeform;( from the man himself -- https://urbit.org/blog/2017.1-update/ . guess what, actual testable promise... )
1653625;1494280418;asciilifeform;'With the infrastructure converging, we can finally think seriously about the user experience of Urbit. What we're imagining is a small-scale social network and command-line API aggregator. It's just screenshots right now, but we're confident that we can build it and make it work. System software is boring (at least when done right). So let's start with the user experience.'
1653626;1494280427;asciilifeform;'Galen Wolfe-Pauly is Tlon's CEO and Urbit's interaction designer. Galen went to architecture school. He talks like it'
1653627;1494280430;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1653628;1494280516;asciilifeform;'If you're a "US person" and win a medal, bear in mind that we have to 1099 you for the assumed value of these goods (at the last crowdsale price, ie, $205 per star).' << ahahahahaha
1653629;1494280545;asciilifeform;massive lulzmine, complete with -- yes,i shit thee not -- 'rust'
1653630;1494280560;asciilifeform;( if it wasn't 'rusty' before, apparently is nao!!! )
1653631;1494281492;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/rogue-doj-continues-obama-era-persecution-of-farmer-for-crime-of-tillage/ << Qntra - Rogue DOJ Continues Obama Era Persecution Of Farmer For Crime Of Tillage
1653632;1494282237;ben_vulpes;dang, urbit went straight to the browser
1653633;1494285805;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-4-sam-and-pam-were-separated/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 4 - Sam and Pam were separated
1653634;1494286138;BingoBoingo;OMG more like Petrus Rico!
1653635;1494286744;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/XsgTu << in other petruses.
1653636;1494287238;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/08/the-noob-investors-temptation/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The noob investor’s temptation.
1653637;1494287401;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653582 "any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group : causing serious mental harm to members ; deliberately influencing the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction ; forcibly transferring children from the group to another group". standard un definition. entirely fits.
1653638;1494287401;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 20:59 phf`: i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots"
1653639;1494287471;mircea_popescu;it is literal genocide, however that may fit or not fit unexamined notions of mass slaughter = genocide. the fact that "african americans" are a sad desert where ella and louis used to walk is good enough.
1653640;1494287505;mircea_popescu;but anyway, physical extermination is rather likely on the way also, anyway.
1653641;1494287675;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653590 << quite. their situation is complicated by the fact that pre-oral "culture". you don't build much of an identitarian resistance along 12 yo values, a love for colorful skirts and dancing.
1653642;1494287675;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 21:09 phf`: i think that traditionally would be called pogrom, rather than genocide. problem is that unlike jews, coptics, parsi, etc. american blacks don't have a culture to fallback to, and their persecution narrative is artificially constructed, so they just fall back. there's not going to be a tzadik in projects, unmovable, because torah told him to suffer
1653643;1494287886;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653594 << the problem with this theory is that culture is reposited in the elite in all cases. the arab world at the time it was saving the classics from the idiot hordes of europchristians ALSO mostly made of arablite by mass. if i pile up a bunch of coal over your heirloom diamonds can i thereby convince you to throw out "all this pointless carbon" ?
1653644;1494287886;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 21:10 asciilifeform: in orlol's words, 'human-lite'
1653645;1494287948;mircea_popescu;there's this automatic "judge human mass by the mass" mental process, visible here, visible when new guy was going "oh, capitalism will end because most people are spurious", as fucking if.
1653646;1494288080;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653599 << happened all through south america. it's not "considered food" i nthe sense that "it's expensive", and they have some vague intuition as to the whole "in parismadrid they go to mcdo to experience american -- and SO DO WE111" ; however they are poor and cheap food is cheap food and they have local shitholes that "invented foccacia" sell them "pizza" or whatever, produced according t
1653647;1494288080;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 21:22 phf`: ct it would've happened already
1653648;1494288081;mircea_popescu;o the "scientific methods". by the cubic mile.
1653649;1494288118;mircea_popescu;you should have seen the cheap "pizza" places in buenos aires. ~nobody cooks there because they're idiots, they survive on take-out and barbecue a few times a year.
1653650;1494288161;mircea_popescu;and take-out is this very specific thing. subway bears the advertisements thjat tell the story, "rated largest quantity of muza per porcion". muza dude. petrocheese found a new life down there.
1653651;1494288260;mircea_popescu;they're into fat fried pork rinds down here. item is 98% hamburger.
1653652;1494288323;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653603 << you're starting to get in touch with your feminine side! welcome to the ancientest experience of alterity still in common use today! how do you find it ?
1653653;1494288323;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 21:25 asciilifeform: i for one have nfi why anybody at this point would want to 'experience american', rather than run as fast as his legs would carry him, in opposite direction.
1653654;1494288342;asciilifeform;waiwut
1653655;1494288358;mircea_popescu;"i have nfi what receptive member of a sexuate species would want to "experience sex" rather than run as fast as legs would carry in opposite direction."
1653656;1494288374;asciilifeform;if 'sex' means 'ground in woodchipper'...
1653657;1494288379;mircea_popescu;they gotta hold the she-waterbugs in front of a frog to get them to cooperate, yo.
1653658;1494288411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, sex means copulation, the usual reproductive behaviour in sexuate species.
1653659;1494288442;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653607 <<< aaahahahaha. fitting, fitting.
1653660;1494288442;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 21:32 asciilifeform: in yet-other, lulzier-yet lulz, https://archive.is/wRzSJ >> 'Trayvon Martin, the Florida teenager whose shooting death by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in 2012 prompted a national debate over racial profiling and civil rights, will be awarded a posthumous university degree in aeronautical science that reflects the 17-year-old’s dream of becoming a pilot before he was killed.'
1653661;1494288526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-07#487631 .
1653662;1494288526;a111;Logged on 2014-02-07 18:06 asciilifeform: re: hallucinogen: http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-quotes-786200.jpeg (translation: most often, the words 'you ought to try everything in life' refer to dope and porn acting,  but much more rarely to quantum physics and chemistry'
1653663;1494288547;mircea_popescu;heh.
1653664;1494288600;mircea_popescu;honestly, i was hoping for something more along the lines of, "trayvon martin, the idle hoodlum who tried to beat up the wrong guy and got it as a result has finally received a less idiotic name. he's going to be exhumed and reburied as travis martin later this week"
1653665;1494288614;asciilifeform;lol!
1653666;1494288616;mircea_popescu;well ?
1653667;1494288621;mircea_popescu;it's what the spanish'd have done!
1653668;1494288702;mircea_popescu;i'd propose anyoen with a degree from the same place and an ounce of self respect worth would return it, but then again it's transparently a ploy by whatever rando nonuniversity's too-clever-by-half administrator.
1653669;1494288712;mircea_popescu;ie, the program is probably brand new etc.
1653670;1494288814;mircea_popescu;"Thank God for those strict gun control laws in Chicago, otherwise the place would look like Texas." << i lelled.
1653671;1494288940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol wait wut, urbit bolting v to the side ?
1653672;1494288963;asciilifeform;not afaik. looks like just some d00d mentioning it in passing.
1653673;1494288974;asciilifeform;they, evidently, read the l0gz.
1653674;1494288984;mircea_popescu;well, who knows, mebbe learn some thang.
1653675;1494289001;mircea_popescu;but yes, he seems to misunderstand it.
1653676;1494289019;mircea_popescu;"In future, it would be great if I could just accept any old patch, from any urbit down to the merest comet, as long as it was sealed by ~zod. In general, I would find it comfortable, knowing that everything my urbit was running was a collection of patches, each of which had a signature, or a chain of them, originating in the urbit claiming authorship of that patch." << wtf.
1653677;1494289040;asciilifeform;hey, beelzebub burned the great-inca-star-topology into his bios in the womb
1653678;1494289043;mircea_popescu;ssl certs for v, basically ?
1653679;1494289046;asciilifeform;naturally he 'misunderstands'
1653680;1494289062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, i was thinking exactly this, wtf they managed to re-bolt central approach into it.
1653681;1494289096;asciilifeform;just happens in what passes for his head. just like modular arithmetic 'happens' in the head of the folx who never learned to count above three.
1653682;1494289114;mircea_popescu;if what happened in those heads were modular arithmetic, they'd even be useful.
1653683;1494289169;asciilifeform;( hey, it's how chinese remainder theorem was, supposedly , invented. commander lined up soldiers in columns of 3, 5, 7... )
1653684;1494289277;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653615 << well, first and foremost, being at the same time a food conduit that works in conducting food, AND something cool to tell chicks at obscure http://trilema.com/2017/from-the-bounty-of-the-internets-mp-was-right/ parties.
1653685;1494289277;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 21:43 ben_vulpes: what are those again? being the wholly-owned sillycon valley bitcoin/namespace table?
1653686;1494289320;mircea_popescu;see, because currently the george costanzas of the world are stuck : either they go work for nbc, which does pay ok but makes women in bars laugh in their face shrieking "imagine! he writes sit coms! and he tried to USE IT!11"
1653687;1494289355;mircea_popescu;or else they gotta go you know, in the raft, like that chinless douche / president of nbc with a crush on elaine. which doesn't supply food.
1653688;1494289374;mircea_popescu;this great dilemma must be integrated, thought the hipster doofus, and so urbit or whatever. start-up culture.
1653689;1494289444;asciilifeform;not quite typical 'hipster startup'. in the sense that tsetse is not a typical fly.
1653690;1494289622;mircea_popescu;well, there's a difference between typical and common. tsetse in fact quite typical.
1653691;1494289674;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653632 << needs to be SEEEEENNNNNN
1653692;1494289674;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 22:23 ben_vulpes: dang, urbit went straight to the browser
1653693;1494289934;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653635 << hire more "security", you totally need it and besides -- look how much it helped trump! or for that matter didius julianus.
1653694;1494289934;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 23:39 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/XsgTu << in other petruses.
1653695;1494289986;asciilifeform;+ indira gandi lol
1653696;1494290039;mircea_popescu;the weird shit people will believe.
1653697;1494290256;asciilifeform;elegant schoolbook illustration of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-07#1090202 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-07#1090204 principle.
1653698;1494290256;a111;Logged on 2015-04-07 00:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090176 << nope. wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever.
1653699;1494290256;a111;Logged on 2015-04-07 00:10 mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
1653700;1494290282;mircea_popescu;rather.
1653701;1494291530;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-noose, apparently it is impossible to a) portably b) open a file for UNMOLESTED (e.g. no 'magic' char interpretation) i/o  c) detect EOF.
1653702;1494293443;mircea_popescu;in other news, why the fuck isn't there a rapper named cashew ?
1653703;1494293467;mircea_popescu;he could style it ca$ew, his byline could be "i'm nuts for money", goof studd.
1653704;1494293470;mircea_popescu;i mean good stuff.
1653705;1494297085;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/69vycc/important_im_taking_dogetipbot_to_a_server_farm/   <<< The trilema prediction comes true.
1653706;1494297160;mod6;evenin'
1653707;1494297215;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ssl certs for v, basically ? << eep.
1653708;1494297256;mircea_popescu;lol!
1653709;1494297748;asciilifeform;in other lulz from ye olde heathendom, https://archive.is/Cvsb7
1653710;1494297997;mod6;<+asciilifeform> gentlemen, get yer gnats in working order. will need them shortly. << cool!
1653711;1494298048;shinohai;Well I left out bananas for a week, turned brown, got gnats. Now what?
1653712;1494298104;asciilifeform;them'd be time-flies shinohai .
1653713;1494298430;mircea_popescu;time them like an arrow!
1653714;1494299100;*;shinohai decides to go the distance, channel inner Gregor Mendel, and await fruit flies.....
1653715;1494299340;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in nets, https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5fxfb4Cr21rxe4oto1_1280.jpg
1653716;1494299881;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> in other lulz from ye olde heathendom, https://archive.is/Cvsb7 << Well for quite some time now there's been no serious betting venue outside of WoT and handshakes.
1653717;1494300195;asciilifeform;what'd it even mean to have a 'serious betting venue outside of WoT and handshakes' ??
1653718;1494300265;BingoBoingo;Well WoT and BitBet
1653719;1494300299;asciilifeform;and bbet users decided whether to put coin in it, exactly how ?
1653720;1494300319;BingoBoingo;WoT.
1653721;1494300324;asciilifeform;so then.
1653722;1494300356;BingoBoingo;English has a poverty of conjuctions, trying to use an exclusive sort of "and"
1653723;1494300402;BingoBoingo;WoT coupled with handshakes is all that remains as opposed to the time where WoT was also coupled with BitBet
1653724;1494300458;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1653725;1494300464;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1668.5, vol: 19001.53354274 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1674.988, vol: 9300.46603 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1727.2, vol: 21527.09727852 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1331.237106, vol: 10591.21950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1699.0, vol: 6751.62059638 | Volume-weighted last average: 1638.09863047
1653726;1494300477;BingoBoingo;OMG fiat is having a "Pam" moment
1653727;1494300560;mircea_popescu;lol. bb is a fan of the sampam story ?
1653728;1494300665;BingoBoingo;Of course.
1653729;1494300700;mircea_popescu;it threatens to run long, dozen plus episodes etc.
1653730;1494300733;BingoBoingo;Alcoholism, Bitcoin, and the timeless infant republic saved BingoBoingo from possible Sam-ism
1653731;1494300766;asciilifeform;hm, deedbot seems to have missed latest chapter ??
1653732;1494300795;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653633
1653733;1494300795;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 23:23 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-4-sam-and-pam-were-separated/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 4 - Sam and Pam were separated
1653734;1494300954;asciilifeform;aah ok
1653735;1494303519;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Nt4yV/?raw=true
1653736;1494303519;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1653737;1494304611;BingoBoingo;http://epmonthly.com/article/motovs-cocktails-sub-dissociative-ketamine/
1653738;1494304985;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: brought to you by the same 400 yr puritan blight as 'graham cracker' ( look it up, the original ~deliberately designed~ shitfood , for mortification-of-the-flesh )
1653739;1494305132;asciilifeform;'sub-dissociative' nonsense, yes, for you an' me; opio-cocainiferous goodness by the gigatonne, until head explodes, if he wants, for lizardman.
1653740;1494305220;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-18#722630 << see also thread.
1653741;1494305220;a111;Logged on 2014-06-18 00:36 asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up
1653742;1494305364;asciilifeform;anything, anything at all to keep idiots buying 100k$ plastic porsche.
1653743;1494305414;asciilifeform;mustn't permit cheap , satisfying pharmasuicide to compete on level market with expensive, frustrating, slow konsoomer-goodz-suicide.
1653744;1494305562;asciilifeform;if a civilization can't win against dope od in an ~even~ match, it belongs in /dev/null.
1653745;1494305626;ben_vulpes;what would winning against an od look like?
1653746;1494305632;BingoBoingo;Lizards are vulnerable to accidental dope OD too
1653747;1494305667;BingoBoingo;Anyways how would the CIA lizards have any money at all without their trafficking business
1653748;1494305780;mod6;asciilifeform: related, http://www.fox9.com/news/252863748-story
1653749;1494305956;mod6;lol, "nuke this box 4 me!!1"
1653750;1494305993;mod6;"kthxbye"
1653751;1494306016;mod6;lmao
1653752;1494306218;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually the premise for civilisation competing with dope od is finally here. prior to recently, the dorks were still needed for muscular power -- first, brute, then, finely controled by a cns, primitive as it was.
1653753;1494306232;mircea_popescu;but these days, even the fine motor control of hominid ain't worth jack. and so...
1653754;1494306311;mircea_popescu;but this promises to be yet another pandora box. obviously and of course.
1653755;1494306401;BingoBoingo;<mod6> asciilifeform: related, http://www.fox9.com/news/252863748-story << TORTILLA!!!
1653756;1494306415;mircea_popescu;in any case, a civilisation is not a sort of supermarket leaflet, to be judged by how well and how thoroughly it satisfies your perceived needs.
1653757;1494333736;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653756 << well noshit.jpg, it motors along whether the inmates like it or not
1653758;1494333736;a111;Logged on 2017-05-09 05:06 mircea_popescu: in any case, a civilisation is not a sort of supermarket leaflet, to be judged by how well and how thoroughly it satisfies your perceived needs.
1653759;1494333777;asciilifeform;but it is still possible to observe that it -- preoccupied with plugging whatever escape holes -- is in fact of 'gulag' type
1653760;1494333873;asciilifeform;whereas even in recent past, say 19th c britain, crown did not give half a fuck if you preferred opium to society. or whether you wanted to get on a boat and never be met with again, etc.
1653761;1494334114;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653745 << it looks like self circa 1890s. when, e.g., opium, cocaine, were sold in corner shop, and most folx in fact had ~better things to do~ than to take'em
1653762;1494334114;a111;Logged on 2017-05-09 04:53 ben_vulpes: what would winning against an od look like?
1653763;1494334147;asciilifeform;*selfsame
1653764;1494334352;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653746 << lizards are for practical purposes ~immortal , but they do sometimes die of ennui. sometimes this takes the form of dope od.
1653765;1494334352;a111;Logged on 2017-05-09 04:53 BingoBoingo: Lizards are vulnerable to accidental dope OD too
1653766;1494334493;asciilifeform;incidentally, happy apple-conclusively-failing-to-buy-russia-in-'45 day, folxx.
1653767;1494334593;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653759 << no, no. the sad fact of the matter is that what people want is without exception stupid and harmful. not even one, both. a functional civilisation provides people with a good story as to why they're getting something other than what they want. whether what they actually get happens to also be a) what they actually need, as opposed to $random ; b) actually competitive with the vario
1653768;1494334593;a111;Logged on 2017-05-09 12:42 asciilifeform: but it is still possible to observe that it -- preoccupied with plugging whatever escape holes -- is in fact of 'gulag' type
1653769;1494334593;mircea_popescu;us environment threats, such as you know, other civilisations, volcanoes and aliens landing is entirely up for grabs. these points make the good/bad adequate/inadequate distinction, not whether the "inmates" "like" it in their "hearts of hearts". for one thing they're not inmates, lacking the capacity of outmating ; for the other thing they can't like and for the third they've no heart of hearts.
1653770;1494334654;asciilifeform;how not inmates ?
1653771;1494334666;mircea_popescu;they can't be not-inmates.
1653772;1494334692;asciilifeform;every once in a while, somebody breaks out, neh
1653773;1494334703;mircea_popescu;yes. and every once in a while one gets hallucinations.
1653774;1494334714;mircea_popescu;pathology is no basis for anthropology.
1653775;1494334753;asciilifeform;prison is not part of man's physiology either, and escape is not pathology, wtf
1653776;1494334766;mircea_popescu;monkeys are social rather than solitary. this goes with "have two limbs and opposable thumbs". how exactly they make use of those limbs or invest that sociality is also up for grabs, but doesn't speak to the principle.
1653777;1494334784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your definition of prison === human condition.
1653778;1494334794;asciilifeform;a stock monkey troupe is < 300.
1653779;1494334807;mircea_popescu;sure. we weren't discussing prison size.
1653780;1494334951;mircea_popescu;if your theory of man had any feet, solitary confinment weren't regarded as the mother of all torture. physiologically, people lose their minds. maybe you or i wouldn't care, or maybe we think so in our ridiculous, adolescentine misapprehension. but this anecdote doesn't do much.
1653781;1494335003;asciilifeform;can't say until i try it, lol
1653782;1494335093;asciilifeform;it is possible that solitary prisoners go mad from simple boredom. notice that nobody is ever imprisoned in a library.
1653783;1494335129;asciilifeform;to insist that it is from 'lack of company' always , is disingenuous.
1653784;1494335173;mircea_popescu;afaik they get a book a week or some shit, i dunno, haven't followed.
1653785;1494335187;mircea_popescu;it's not implemented by the batiscaphe, at least not usually.
1653786;1494335199;asciilifeform;in american supermax they, iirc, do not
1653787;1494335227;asciilifeform;stone oubliette-with-food.
1653788;1494335235;mircea_popescu;still, the boredom angle... let them prove all the theorems yes ?
1653789;1494335247;asciilifeform;hard without paper.
1653790;1494335256;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1653791;1494335269;asciilifeform;you get the scenario in 'chess novella' - madness.
1653792;1494335311;mircea_popescu;truth be told, the human brain isn't either intented or designed to exceed 30 years of continuous abuse.
1653793;1494335315;mircea_popescu;people go mad with age anyway.
1653794;1494335346;asciilifeform;follows 'bathtub curve', like every other wear part.
1653795;1494335482;mircea_popescu;apparently they can even make phone calls o.O
1653796;1494335505;mircea_popescu;can also get... television. gimme a break.
1653797;1494335516;asciilifeform;to usg lawyer, lol
1653798;1494335528;mircea_popescu;and no, definitely can get books. apparently no actual limit, either! mostly because... nobody ever fucking wants any.
1653799;1494335532;mircea_popescu;dude americans are weird.
1653800;1494335553;*;asciilifeform skeptical of these supposed features
1653801;1494335587;asciilifeform;but kakzynsky did manage to get hold of paper, there's that.
1653802;1494335595;mircea_popescu;can get family visits! "o noes, it's through phone/plastic windows!!"
1653803;1494335610;phf`;the one dude who reads through chemistry textbook in solitary also probably doesn't make the headlines of "horrors of solitary"
1653804;1494335621;asciilifeform;supposedly. i must admit some disbelief.
1653805;1494335655;mircea_popescu;it seems rather certain at this point that us "SHU" ~= being locked in library.
1653806;1494335671;mircea_popescu;that nobody makes use of the library part seems rather a comment on the nobody.
1653807;1494335729;asciilifeform;or that the other subtle torments dissolve the man. e.g. what they feed him, or the light that never goes off, or guard waking up hourly at night.
1653808;1494335754;mircea_popescu;i dunno about the last point. they used to pay someone for just that, in the middle ages.
1653809;1494335802;mircea_popescu;but yes, i expect prison food is a shade below rather than a shade above what they feed the cattle normally at the mall food court.
1653810;1494335841;mircea_popescu;strangely enough, none of the people i knew in jail ever complained.
1653811;1494335846;mircea_popescu;nor, come to think of it, wanted books.
1653812;1494335855;phf`;!#s prison spread
1653813;1494335856;a111;4 results for "prison spread", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=prison%20spread
1653814;1494335857;mircea_popescu;cigarettes, yes.
1653815;1494335867;mircea_popescu;whores, if at all possible, definitely.
1653816;1494335879;mircea_popescu;a steak ? can't recall. gardner's math amusements ? nope.
1653817;1494335883;asciilifeform;phun phakt: no cigs in usg fed prison
1653818;1494335899;mircea_popescu;well my experience is ancient and from outside the best korea
1653819;1494335937;mircea_popescu;phf` seems you have an interest in the item ?
1653820;1494335965;mircea_popescu;"cuizine" lol. promising start.
1653821;1494336049;mircea_popescu;"Quite frankly some of the tastiest food I have ever eaten was cooked in the microwave by inmates." o brother.
1653822;1494336071;phf`;i find it both fascinating and horrifying
1653823;1494336082;mircea_popescu;see, alfie ? social behaviour. the dude will gladly state a nonsense to the outgroup (us) to gratify the ingroup. he's not even a part of it notably, but he aspires to see himself and hopes to be seen by us as if he were.
1653824;1494336096;mircea_popescu;he'll oppress his own tastebuds gleefully for this purpose.
1653825;1494336121;asciilifeform;link?
1653826;1494336122;mircea_popescu;phf` discorsi da letto, no more.
1653827;1494336133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's in phf's search.
1653828;1494336142;*;asciilifeform looks
1653829;1494336171;mircea_popescu;o look, squeeze cheese. ever more promising.
1653830;1494336367;mircea_popescu;wtf is with all the ramen anyway. they've no pasta where these people live ?
1653831;1494336695;mircea_popescu;speaking of this, here's something to piss alf off in so many ways :
1653832;1494336695;mircea_popescu;http://www.npr.org/2010/04/06/125630808/orange-is-the-new-black-in-federal-womens-prison
1653833;1494336735;asciilifeform;this was famous
1653834;1494336739;mircea_popescu;ah ok then
1653835;1494336932;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. really, chicks in female jail pretend to be butch for money ?
1653836;1494336934;mircea_popescu;i dun see it.
1653837;1494338910;mircea_popescu;"Mix a can of Cherry Dr. Pepper with instant coffee, cocoa, cappuccino mix, a carton of milk, and some leftover sugar packets to make a drink that tastes as close to cognac as you will get in prison."
1653838;1494338911;mircea_popescu;bwhahaha.
1653839;1494338937;mircea_popescu;gimme a break, anyone who's someone can get a bottle or two of whatever they like. wtf.
1653840;1494339152;asciilifeform;most prisoners ain't 'somebodies'
1653841;1494339202;mircea_popescu;i suppose the keyword being "you".
1653842;1494339342;mircea_popescu;anyway. this phf` - enabled short survey through the us penitentiary culture leaves me unimpressed. not much of a culture, is it.
1653843;1494339376;mircea_popescu;then again fwih ru prisons also went to shit. all hope left is i guess brazil ?
1653844;1494341710;asciilifeform;hope for what?
1653845;1494343824;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/LKDqw << in other lulz.
1653846;1494345819;trinque;ever closer to the goo-tube life
1653847;1494349763;asciilifeform;in other lolmatics, https://archive.is/MVqGZ >> 'As bitcoin rises, Mt Gox approaches solvency (vs. claims). Now Reddit users are asking @MagicalTux to reopen. They even new designed logos.'
1653848;1494354494;mircea_popescu;reddit users were rendered obsolete by "ai" back in the days of minsky.
1653849;1494354601;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've known gents who genuinely preferred living in prison you understand.
1653850;1494354610;asciilifeform;i believe !
1653851;1494354620;mircea_popescu;all hope for noretard area.
1653852;1494354662;asciilifeform;i'm neither solzhenitsyn, nor even weev, but would seem to me that this'd depend ~entirely on the other jailbirds
1653853;1494354731;phf`;“One day Trurl decided to build a reddit user, but he was afraid that Minsky was going to built one before him. Meanwhile Minsky was building a reddit user of his own, and was trying to hide him from Trurl. etc.
1653854;1494354742;asciilifeform;lol!!
1653855;1494354757;asciilifeform;then klapaucius unplugged the lispm.
1653856;1494354794;mircea_popescu;lol kharm lives!
1653857;1494354799;asciilifeform;lem
1653858;1494354810;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thing is, loser jailbirds get killed in normal prison.
1653859;1494354838;mircea_popescu;so you can actually end up with selected space where, to quote in translation, "with any luck i can go an entire week without drinking after an idiot"
1653860;1494354865;asciilifeform;ideal
1653861;1494354872;asciilifeform;in practice you get, e.g., 'bitch wars'
1653862;1494354887;mircea_popescu;you only get bitch wars when there's a ww2.
1653863;1494354903;mircea_popescu;if the dorks outside don't slosh too hard, what're you gonna get.
1653864;1494354909;mircea_popescu;some fucking peace and quiet.
1653865;1494355086;mircea_popescu;and for the record i've not that much respect for solzhenitsyn. yes, very accomplished child, child nevertheless. so he famously went and told mommy things and mommy really cared. good for the fucking tuna ; meanwhile what the fuck is he to know about the point in discussion.
1653866;1494355093;mircea_popescu;alt-language orwell.
1653867;1494355095;asciilifeform;i have 0 respect.
1653868;1494355111;asciilifeform;but mega-classic of prison lit, forced to #include him.
1653869;1494355151;mircea_popescu;the item was not yet borne into being that'll force me to include anything. he's welcome to figure prominently in any she-anglotard "story of prison".
1653870;1494355161;mircea_popescu;doesn't really have much to do with either prison, or my book.
1653871;1494355230;asciilifeform;afaik d00d lied strictly re political, rather than mechanical, details.
1653872;1494355275;mircea_popescu;the contention is that he wasn't in any position to understand the working of the mechanical details, for all the shit between his eyes.
1653873;1494355311;mircea_popescu;orwell, technically, was physically present in india the dominion. similarly, failed to understand the working of the mechanical details, similarily for all the shit between the eyes : more committed to not admitting he's a shithead than to understanding anything.
1653874;1494355363;asciilifeform;is it given to anyone to properly grasp the mechanics of the selfsame woodchipper he is being ground in ?
1653875;1494355953;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1653876;1494356032;mircea_popescu;sir thomas more may well be a sufficient example.
1653877;1494358046;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/nuclear-waste-storage-tunnel-collapses-at-hanford-site/ << Qntra - Nuclear Waste Storage Tunnel Collapses At Hanford Site
1653878;1494359422;mircea_popescu;did they catch the homeless dude responsible or still shopping around ?
1653879;1494359801;BingoBoingo;It's too be determined
1653880;1494362533;asciilifeform;meanwhile, moar sneakpreviewz, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nDBmf/?raw=true .
1653881;1494362601;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QJ4Tm/?raw=true << 'os'
1653882;1494362755;mircea_popescu;and to continue the penitentiary discussion : i don't seem to see all the fuckwits insisting that black dudes being jailed constitutes some kind of racism etc notice that a) google will serve you the "37% non-hispanic blacks" figure on a search for "us inmate population by gender" front and center, because who cares what you're actually searching for, have some nigger figures in any case and b) there's only 12k women for 175k
1653883;1494362756;mircea_popescu; men in the federal system.
1653884;1494362797;asciilifeform;12k women for 175k << lol noshit.jpg
1653885;1494362813;mircea_popescu;this DOESN'T constitute some sort of misandrism, and it's NOT time to change the laws to you know, punish more girly shit ? how about 5 years in jail for watching netflix without a partner, speaking in a shirll tone, being fat or being obnoxious ? and striking male crimes suck as you know, fucking, from the books ?
1653886;1494362818;asciilifeform;!~google glass cellar
1653887;1494362819;jhvh1;asciilifeform: What do feminists think about the ' glass cellar '? - Quora: <https://www.quora.com/What-do-feminists-think-about-the-glass-cellar>; Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar ? (They can change the ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2146979/Who-cares-men-stuck-glass-cellar--They-change-bulb-theyre-there.html>; Glass cellar vs Glass ceiling (85% of the worst rated jobs are held by ...: (1 more message)
1653888;1494362825;asciilifeform;^ the reddit folx had a word.
1653889;1494362843;mircea_popescu;i would say that in order to rectify historical injustices, there's strict need for about
1653890;1494362848;mircea_popescu;!~calc 175 * 175 / 12
1653891;1494362850;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 175 * 175 / 12 = 2552.083333333333
1653892;1494362870;mircea_popescu;about 2.55mn women in jail by fall, to sit there two or three decades at the latest.
1653893;1494362886;mircea_popescu;start giving them six months for going around dressed and obnoxious shit like that, i say.
1653894;1494363096;mircea_popescu;and if anyone has any objections, hey! "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" or how did the http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/niggers-rights-by-randall-munroe-560x570.png bullshit go.
1653895;1494370703;*;mircea_popescu enjoyed reading the sage faq.
1653896;1494371136;mod6;hai
1653897;1494371237;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks for sharin'
1653898;1494373380;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXJB/?raw=true
1653899;1494373380;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1653900;1494373694;mod6;Here's the results from the first entropy collection from FG #4: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.ent_run1.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.dieharder_run1.txt
1653901;1494373751;mod6;Here's the results from the second entropy collection from FG #4: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.ent_run2.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.dieharder_run2.txt
1653902;1494376835;mircea_popescu;nice
1653903;1494376918;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in pointless selfies trying to pretend like they're participation and message-y and whatnot, https://68.media.tumblr.com/672f03fddc8bd7293e7b6da7414d9bfb/tumblr_ntrixopVy91s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg
1653904;1494377420;asciilifeform;mod6, mircea_popescu : no word from the dh d00d, eh
1653905;1494377431;asciilifeform;i dun expect he'll ever write back
1653906;1494377450;mircea_popescu;who ?
1653907;1494377456;asciilifeform;author of 'dieharder'
1653908;1494377475;mircea_popescu;no word. who knows.
1653909;1494377540;mircea_popescu;honestly, from the past few years of involvement with "software engineers", i can squarely say i have no fucking idea what goes on in their heads, but if it came to light they're just randomly squirming like froglegs on electric plating i wouldn't be much surprised.
1653910;1494377560;mircea_popescu;there doesn't seem to be more rhyme or reason behind their decisions / behaviours / choices / "engineering" generally speaking than behind movement of clouds.
1653911;1494377651;mircea_popescu;for all i know dood hasn't even found that clicking plate with square nubbins on it for the past eight months.
1653912;1494377720;asciilifeform;!~google sage smartprobe
1653913;1494377721;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Loper OS » A Complete Pill for the Sage SmartProbe .: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1667>; Loper OS » Sage SmartProbe FAQ: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1887>; Loper OS » The Care and Feeding of the Sage SmartProbe .: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1821>
1653914;1494377723;asciilifeform;hah.
1653915;1494377744;mircea_popescu;lol. nice.
1653916;1494377745;asciilifeform;took this long for ~all mention of the original to fade away...
1653917;1494380165;asciilifeform;in other lulz : https://smpake.com/tmp/1494143304871.jpg
1653918;1494381741;shinohai;http://archive.is/LuqoC   <<< Trumpgate!
1653919;1494381775;asciilifeform;'President Trump fired FBI Director James B. Comey on Tuesday, at the recommendation of senior Justice Department officials who said he had treated Hillary Clinton unfairly and in doing so damaged the credibility of the FBI and the Justice Department.' << lol!
1653920;1494381850;asciilifeform;from same rag, 'President Trump’s sudden removal of James B. Comey as director of the FBI sparked immediate fears among legislators and others that the bureau’s probe into possible collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign might be upended now that Trump himself can handpick its new supervisor.'
1653921;1494384118;mircea_popescu;heh
1653922;1494384138;mircea_popescu;it really sucks being old dunnit
1653923;1494384226;shinohai;Getting older means an increase in burbujas after midnite.
1653924;1494384240;mircea_popescu;and a decrease in burbujas between teh legs.
1653925;1494384258;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6, mircea_popescu : no word from the dh d00d, eh << tbh, I haven't even reached out myself yet.
1653926;1494384281;mod6;I was going to finish all the tests, compile some info, then if he still hadn't written to us or shown up here, I'd write him.
1653927;1494384288;mircea_popescu;go for it, what can it hurt
1653928;1494384292;mod6;exactly.
1653929;1494384322;asciilifeform;link him plox to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647896 .
1653930;1494384322;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 01:39 asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
1653931;1494384567;mod6;yah, I think it's a good conversation
1653932;1494385217;asciilifeform;soooo mod6 tried to post a pgp-signed comment in my www
1653933;1494385229;asciilifeform;and it gets 1) BAD SIG when verified from paste from www
1653934;1494385239;asciilifeform;2) GOOD sig when verified from paste from COMMENT EDITOR
1653935;1494385250;asciilifeform;3) NULL DIFF b/w the two pastes if pasted into emacs each !!!
1653936;1494385271;asciilifeform;NULL, motherfucker, diff.
1653937;1494385296;mod6;This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true
1653938;1494385317;mod6;I paste into comments section on loper, doesn't verify.
1653939;1494385321;asciilifeform;except of course not null, but EACH TIME RANDOM place has extra space.
1653940;1494385327;asciilifeform;because ??!!!.
1653941;1494385412;mod6;weird.
1653942;1494385461;mod6;I wrapped with <pre></pre> tags.. i feel like somewhere a \n got snarffed or something
1653943;1494385629;mod6;it's gotta be browser related. if you copied the PGP signed data out of the database comments field or what not, and it was ok, then ok.  may not mangled.  but perhaps the browser does some weird formatting hijinx and that's fuckin us up.
1653944;1494385675;mod6;i dunno, maybe not.
1653945;1494387282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice trilema doesn't suffer from same problem ; read mp-wp ; live happily ever after.
1653946;1494388579;mod6;<+asciilifeform> NULL, motherfucker, diff. << does vdiff give different output hashes?
1653947;1494388884;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/craft-bot-replace-tool/ << Daniel P. Barron - Craft Bot Replace Tool
1653948;1494388986;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/dogecointipbot-creator-admits-constant-embezzlement-while-shutting-down-service-sorry-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Dogecointipbot Creator Admits Constant Embezzlement While Shutting Down Service: Sorry For Your Loss
1653949;1494389015;mod6;got it
1653950;1494389021;mod6;newline snarffed: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VQ2cg/?raw=true
1653951;1494390285;mircea_popescu;https://68.media.tumblr.com/4889bbd61efa1b6b8d4d0e04797caf9f/tumblr_ngqpti13u21tctanyo1_1280.jpg << incidentally, did we already do ballgirl ?
1653952;1494390516;asciilifeform;mod6: try nao ?
1653953;1494390520;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-18076 <<
1653954;1494390595;*;mod6 looks
1653955;1494390737;mod6;seems to be the same for me?
1653956;1494390751;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fUeq3/?raw=true
1653957;1494390757;mod6;i might have to refresh/clear cache
1653958;1494390814;mod6;naw, same thing. weird.
1653959;1494390833;asciilifeform;where in satan's name does that space come from ?
1653960;1494391057;asciilifeform;mod6: diff the hexdump -C  outputs
1653961;1494391065;asciilifeform;what do you get ?
1653962;1494391975;mod6;ok, sec.
1653963;1494392152;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jqdKt/?raw=true
1653964;1494392234;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UtR5k/?raw=true
1653965;1494392257;mod6;will diff the orig and the latest pasted now, sec.
1653966;1494392484;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Bdg7W/?raw=true
1653967;1494392651;mod6;looks like 180: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XMTTz/?raw=true
1653968;1494392779;asciilifeform;that diff is useless, the tops ain't aligned
1653969;1494392783;*;asciilifeform bbl
1653970;1494392910;mod6;here's a gnu unified diff of the same: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JWTFY/?raw=true
1653971;1494392932;mod6;anyway, don't worry about it.  just nuke the post I made, and I'll dump the unsigned text inthere.
1653972;1494393324;mod6;after curl'ing down the page itself, this is what it looks like in HTML: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tTbXV/?raw=true
1653973;1494393353;mod6;so it's not much of a suprise i guess that a copy of the text, rendered, doesn't work.
1653974;1494393382;mod6;maybe if wraped <code></code> tags wouldn't have wrapped up the links and snarffed the \n's.
1653975;1494393394;mod6;but i don't know html very well.
1653976;1494395572;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1653978;1494395886;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-climbs-7-28-percent-in-latest-adjustment/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Climbs ~7.28 Percent In Latest Adjustment
1653979;1494404695;mircea_popescu;ah but mod6 baby, you can't sign html and expect to verify the text a browser outputs cmon. whole fucking thing is a substitution engine for strings, how's the clearsign gonna be preserved.
1653980;1494415555;phf`;for people who are into that kind of shit, Ruckert republished his "Understanding MP3", which is notable for being a literate program write up of an mp3 decoder (plus all the necessary context to understand how it works) https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-MP3-Semantics-Mathematics-Algorithms/dp/1541259335
1653981;1494415629;phf`;was out of print since 2005, and i was trying to find a copy for a while, but ruckert just republished it using amazon's self publishing system. i haven't gotten a copy yet, but i suspect that it might not be a particularly good print, but we'll see
1653982;1494415684;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653951 << that is surely one of them sex dolls?
1653983;1494415684;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 04:24 mircea_popescu: https://68.media.tumblr.com/4889bbd61efa1b6b8d4d0e04797caf9f/tumblr_ngqpti13u21tctanyo1_1280.jpg << incidentally, did we already do ballgirl ?
1653984;1494416248;shinohai;Nifty phf, I kinda want a copy myself now.
1653985;1494420669;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ah but mod6 baby, you can't sign html and expect to verify the text a browser outputs cmon. << :]  i didn't sign html.
1653986;1494420702;mod6;<+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section.  7bit ascii.
1653987;1494420723;mod6;either loper, or browser is magling the text.
1653988;1494420757;mod6;feels like the same thing that we went through with the pastebin stuff once upon a time.
1653989;1494421961;mod6;shinohai: you around?  got time to do me a favor?
1653990;1494422006;mod6;<+mod6> <+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section.  7bit ascii. << go to this link, copy the text, save locally, or however you want to do it, and see if it verifies.
1653991;1494422038;shinohai;Morning mod6, be glad to help if possible. o7
1653992;1494422062;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-18076 << << then go here, all PGP text and see if it verifies for ya.
1653993;1494422070;mod6;*copy all PGP text
1653994;1494422082;mod6;shinohai: thanks.
1653995;1494422162;mod6;:] very much appreciated
1653996;1494422187;shinohai;mod6: The paste verifies fine, the loperos one gives me: gpg: can't hash datafile: file open error
1653997;1494422245;mod6;do you have all of the stuff between the '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----' and '-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----', including those lines?
1653998;1494422276;shinohai;Ah my bad now I got:
1653999;1494422283;shinohai;BAD Sognature
1654000;1494422288;shinohai;*signature
1654001;1494422301;mod6;yah, same as both alf and I too.
1654002;1494422308;mod6;thanks for checking.
1654003;1494422323;shinohai;No problem, appears alf's blogotron is mangling it.
1654004;1494422477;mod6;ill leave off with this, here is the un-buffer-copied, original before pasting into ben's wotpaste and loper
1654005;1494422480;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WDSkv/?raw=true
1654006;1494422532;mod6;my belief is that loper is discarding one of '0a's in that line 0000180 or whatever from lastnight
1654007;1494422688;asciilifeform;mod6: it gotta be in the display end. when i paste from the 'edit comment' box, it verifies
1654008;1494426685;phf`;welcome back to another round of "we trying to put TEXT into a TEXTBOX" with your host phf
1654009;1494426694;mod6;thanks asciilifeform for taking down the comment.
1654010;1494426722;mod6;if i did something wrong here, i don't know, to this very minute what it is.
1654011;1494426738;mod6;or why it works on ben_vulpes ' wotpaste and not elsewhere.
1654012;1494426770;mod6;ben_vulpes: do you care to remind the readers of the adventure you had to take to handle this with your wotpaste tool?
1654013;1494426793;mod6;I remember these to be exceptionally painful.
1654014;1494426908;mod6;I think independant replication is in order myself; i.e. someone create a clearsigned message with multiple line feeds in there (\n), and see if the result is the same.
1654015;1494427013;phf`;i'm pretty sure wp arbitrarily mungles posts/comments on render. that's why mircea_popescu's wp version has a special hack that wraps gpg data in a pre and ensures that wp doesn't touch it in any way
1654016;1494427140;phf`;otherwise a POST from a curl/programmatically is the safest way to upload. that's what browsers also supposed to do, but some of them will corrupt your CR/CRLF/LF combinations, which is not anything that you can defend from on the server side
1654017;1494427196;asciilifeform;clearsigning suxxx
1654018;1494427200;phf`;wp on top of that runs comments through a renderer, that adds paragraph breaks and smileys and such
1654019;1494430400;mircea_popescu;aha, phf` has it
1654020;1494430674;mircea_popescu;phf` why do you think sex doll ? common female also can get clit shield / urethra buzzer installed.
1654021;1494430744;mircea_popescu;mod6 ah sorry, i misunderstood http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653972
1654022;1494430744;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 05:15 mod6: after curl'ing down the page itself, this is what it looks like in HTML: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tTbXV/?raw=true
1654023;1494430889;mircea_popescu;in case not found yet : "mod6.sig\n\n\nT" vs ".mod6.sig</a>\n\nT"
1654024;1494430990;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654007 << this only means it saved it correctly in the db. wp does another filtering pass when displaying, which does munge.
1654025;1494430990;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 13:24 asciilifeform: mod6: it gotta be in the display end. when i paste from the 'edit comment' box, it verifies
1654026;1494431076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654011 << because ben_vulpes went through a day or two of screaming  and drilling with me on the topic many many years ago and we fixed the process.
1654027;1494431076;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 14:32 mod6: or why it works on ben_vulpes ' wotpaste and not elsewhere.
1654028;1494431363;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , et al : got a snippet for this wp fix ?
1654029;1494431372;asciilifeform;or does it require mircea_popescu's wptron wholesale.
1654030;1494431414;mircea_popescu;should be in wp-comments.php or w/e it's called i think. that'd be the displayer of comments section.
1654031;1494431431;*;asciilifeform looks
1654032;1494431453;mircea_popescu;and you know, not putting it in wholesale LAST time you ran into this problem with i dun recall what, it's how you woke up screaming in the middle of the night a half year later because OMFG WUT
1654033;1494431479;asciilifeform;i blew a week+ on it and put on shelf, sad
1654034;1494431481;mircea_popescu;wp is particularily distinguished for how it breaks down silently and inexplicably in corner cases. like you know, websoftwasre.
1654035;1494431502;mircea_popescu;ah wait, yeah, i recall you trying and couldn't get some corner in the door, what was it, do yo urecall ?
1654036;1494431510;asciilifeform;the spam filter
1654037;1494431514;asciilifeform;which to me was the mega-feature
1654038;1494431533;asciilifeform;( i would like to ditch the google horror thing i've got in there presently )
1654039;1494431661;asciilifeform;http://asciilifeform.com << asciilifeform's mp-wp test install. comments dun work...
1654040;1494431694;asciilifeform;( i am wholly and deeply uninterested in a wp of any description whatsoever WITHOUT a spam filter. )
1654041;1494431732;mircea_popescu;i dunno why it wouldn't work for you ;/
1654042;1494431757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remind me, did it rely on static ip ?
1654043;1494431816;mircea_popescu;i honestly dun recall how it works.
1654044;1494431837;mircea_popescu;i do know it takes a while to train, and that it ~never fucks up my queue, i need to click maybe 3 items a week.
1654045;1494432091;*;asciilifeform tried just now transplanting mircea_popescu's get_comment_text() from comment-template.php into own www
1654046;1494432093;asciilifeform;result :
1654047;1494432099;asciilifeform;undebuggable null pages on all loads.
1654048;1494432101;asciilifeform;reverted.
1654049;1494432118;mircea_popescu;sorry to hear.
1654050;1494432151;asciilifeform;quite strange, because mircea_popescu's item doesn't appear to use any exotica
1654051;1494432191;mircea_popescu;wp is particularily distinguished for how it breaks down silently and inexplicably in corner cases. like you know, websoftware !!11
1654052;1494432267;asciilifeform;ok, let's try again:
1654053;1494432274;asciilifeform;mod6 around ?
1654054;1494432351;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654047 << php error_log may be able to tell you something? oblig caution re. gas mask, tho...
1654055;1494432351;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 16:01 asciilifeform: undebuggable null pages on all loads.
1654056;1494432371;asciilifeform;seems to work nao!!
1654057;1494432375;mircea_popescu;since he says undebuggable...
1654058;1494432378;asciilifeform;( i pasted mod6's text and commented under his name )
1654059;1494432403;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086 << seems to verify
1654060;1494432430;asciilifeform;anyone confirm ?
1654061;1494432434;*;Framedragger sees
1654062;1494432443;Framedragger;oh shit, you meant sig. no, sorry
1654063;1494432453;*;Framedragger yet to fetch keys and side-channel-verify...
1654064;1494432453;mircea_popescu;looking
1654065;1494432535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your site redirects me to http://www.www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1 and i load jack.
1654066;1494432560;asciilifeform;clear cache ?
1654067;1494432562;asciilifeform;seems to load here
1654068;1494432567;asciilifeform;Framedragger? anybody ?
1654069;1494432592;mircea_popescu;< HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
1654070;1494432592;mircea_popescu;< Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:09:35 GMT
1654071;1494432592;mircea_popescu;< Server: Apache
1654072;1494432592;mircea_popescu;< Location: http://www.www.loper-os.org/?p=1887
1654073;1494432594;mircea_popescu;sez curl.
1654074;1494432594;Framedragger;asciilifeform: loads fine, and reloads fine
1654075;1494432642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loads great with curl
1654076;1494432644;Framedragger;no, mine does not redirect, incl. with curl (gives 200)
1654077;1494432650;asciilifeform;you gotta put quotes around the url y'know, mircea_popescu
1654078;1494432654;mircea_popescu;alright, let's.
1654079;1494432654;asciilifeform;or ampersand fucks you
1654080;1494432665;mircea_popescu;same behaviour.
1654081;1494432694;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what exact command line ?
1654082;1494432698;asciilifeform;and what ver of curl
1654083;1494432707;phf`;mircea_popescu: www.www.
1654084;1494432724;mircea_popescu;yep.
1654085;1494432739;Framedragger;seems that www.www is the 301 *target* returned to his client, hah
1654086;1494432741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZsKjC/?raw=true whole thing.
1654087;1494432775;Framedragger;i mean, at this point i'd almost recommend to run a traceroute....
1654088;1494432860;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my output of   curl -v "http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086" &> foo.txt  >>>>>>  http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ERLE0/?raw=true
1654089;1494432869;mircea_popescu;no, i believe you.
1654090;1494432873;phf`;Framedragger: oh cute, i thought that was a typo, or err copypasto
1654091;1494432875;mircea_popescu;the problem is that mine dun work, not that yours does.
1654092;1494432879;asciilifeform;anyone able to replicate mircea_popescu's effect ?
1654093;1494432919;Framedragger;i wonder if mircea_popescu'd get the same if he ran a manual GET under `nc loper-os.org 80` hah
1654094;1494432921;asciilifeform;( meanwhile : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pgp_fix_cribbed_from_mp.vpatch << tentative . )
1654095;1494432946;asciilifeform;^ is unlikely to apply mechanically to anybody else's wp install, mine is prehistoric
1654096;1494432980;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yep. "<p>The document has moved <a href="http://www./">here</a>.</p>
1654097;1494432980;mircea_popescu;"
1654098;1494432985;mircea_popescu;GET /
1654099;1494433003;Framedragger;hm
1654100;1494433006;mircea_popescu;basically asciilifeform look for a dumb s/"http://www.// that gets applied everywhere
1654101;1494433009;Framedragger;GET /?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086 HTTP/1.1
1654102;1494433009;Framedragger;Host: www.loper-os.org
1654103;1494433015;mircea_popescu;for some reason (ie, abug) it doesn't get applied to you/most others
1654104;1494433019;Framedragger;if i supply this to nc, i get 200
1654105;1494433020;mircea_popescu;but it's still there. you got... >2 bugs.
1654106;1494433056;Framedragger;damn russian hackers
1654107;1494433078;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox post output of my exact curl ( with the &> stderr redirect into txt file )
1654108;1494433110;mircea_popescu;aite
1654109;1494433169;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZfIQP/?raw=true
1654110;1494433245;Framedragger;ah
1654111;1494433257;Framedragger;mircea_popescu uses local hosts file right
1654112;1494433264;Framedragger;do you have an entry for loper-os.org?
1654113;1494433270;asciilifeform;IT ISN'T A STATIC IP !!!!
1654114;1494433277;asciilifeform;i guess i oughta have warned.
1654115;1494433278;mircea_popescu;awww.
1654116;1494433286;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yes.
1654117;1494433295;mircea_popescu;why, this is the expected behaviour ?
1654118;1494433298;asciilifeform;it is.
1654119;1494433306;mircea_popescu;seems unlikely, but okay!
1654120;1494433309;asciilifeform;nfs inc. has ancient, 1990s-era thing with dynamic ips
1654121;1494433321;asciilifeform;demonstrably ddos-proof, to date.
1654122;1494433324;mircea_popescu;i still dunno why it'd www.www.
1654123;1494433325;asciilifeform;and costs penny.
1654124;1494433339;asciilifeform;the attempt to load random crapolade, somehow triggers this.
1654125;1494433339;mircea_popescu;unless someone put a shitperl in there and forgot all about it.
1654126;1494433349;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no such thing on my end, fwiw.
1654127;1494433350;Framedragger;not sure about www.www, i also thought, maybe you have an alias loper-os.org => www.loper-os.org mircea_popescu ?
1654128;1494433355;asciilifeform;at least not where i can get to it.
1654129;1494433370;Framedragger;so www.loper-os.org actually becomes www.www
1654130;1494433403;mircea_popescu;i just have 208.94.116.204 www.loper-os.org
1654131;1494433419;asciilifeform;try 208.94.116.144 .
1654132;1494433460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same
1654133;1494433486;Framedragger;srsly
1654134;1494433488;asciilifeform;how did mircea_popescu ever even read my www, gotta wonder
1654135;1494433502;mircea_popescu;i can load it on other machines!
1654136;1494433560;mircea_popescu;also, it sohuld be noted, i dun have same problem with... mp-wp
1654137;1494433561;mircea_popescu;:D!!!
1654138;1494433570;asciilifeform;well you wouldn't
1654139;1494433577;asciilifeform;because your mp-wp lives on conventional static ip box.
1654140;1494433595;Framedragger;asciilifeform: apparently it works with 208.94.116.204, too
1654141;1494433601;Framedragger;GET / HTTP/1.1
1654142;1494433601;Framedragger;Host: www.loper-os.org
1654143;1494433604;Framedragger;HTTP/1.1 200 OK
1654144;1494433604;Framedragger;Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:25:26 GMT
1654145;1494433604;Framedragger;Server: Apache
1654146;1494433604;Framedragger;X-Pingback: http://www.loper-os.org/xmlrpc.php
1654147;1494433606;mircea_popescu;no, the box has a whole c block
1654148;1494433614;asciilifeform;Framedragger: then i have even deeper nfi
1654149;1494433617;Framedragger;if nc'd to 208.94.116.204
1654150;1494433629;asciilifeform;it works , fwiw, from every box and every modem i have here
1654151;1494433629;mircea_popescu;lol.
1654152;1494433636;asciilifeform;but admittedly i don't mp-dns.
1654153;1494433641;mircea_popescu;try it ?
1654154;1494433715;asciilifeform;curl http://208.94.116.204 >>> '.... <p>The document has moved <a href="http://www.208.94.116.204/">here</a>.</p> ... ' << and mega-unsurprise!!!!
1654155;1494433744;mircea_popescu;heh
1654156;1494433750;Framedragger;LOL
1654157;1494433754;mod6;hi, sorry got pulled away for a few there.
1654158;1494433771;mod6;thanks for re-posting for me asciilifeform
1654159;1494433775;*;mod6 checks
1654160;1494433781;asciilifeform;i'll repeat, there is no possible way you can get to my www via http://ip . for any value of ip.
1654161;1494433787;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654100 let us reiterate
1654162;1494433787;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 16:16 mircea_popescu: basically asciilifeform look for a dumb s/"http://www.// that gets applied everywhere
1654163;1494433789;asciilifeform;it lives on an ancient collective cluster thing.
1654164;1494433816;asciilifeform;which twiddles the dns, silently, and serves up the correct d00d's site based on url requested.
1654165;1494433825;mircea_popescu;heh. ok then.
1654166;1494433826;asciilifeform;i have 0 manual control over this process.
1654167;1494433835;Framedragger;i mean, one can have a local entry in hosts file, even with old ip it seems, the client just needs to supply a correct 'Host' header field
1654168;1494433841;asciilifeform;and i don't have the budget to put it on own t3 like trilema was put.
1654169;1494433862;asciilifeform;fwiw in november of this yr it will be 10y old. and down time to date cumulative is approx 30 hrs.
1654170;1494433868;mod6;nice
1654171;1494433869;mircea_popescu;http://91.218.246.33/ works just fine, of course, and i's kinda fond of that.
1654172;1494433885;asciilifeform;( impervious to slashdot, reddit, and at least 1 organized ddos )
1654173;1494433900;mircea_popescu;eh, neither slashdot nor reddit sent any kind of traffic these days.
1654174;1494433905;asciilifeform;not recently.
1654175;1494433914;asciilifeform;in fact in recent times ~nobody reads it at all.
1654176;1494433921;mircea_popescu;not for years. about as relevant as being mentioned in the subway.
1654177;1494433926;asciilifeform;right.
1654178;1494433937;asciilifeform;which makes nfs pricing scheme even MORE appealing
1654179;1494433941;asciilifeform;no one reads ? i pay ~0.
1654180;1494433948;asciilifeform;instead of monthly $hundreds
1654181;1494433975;asciilifeform;whereas if it actually does a TB of load, i pay fiddibux-hundy
1654182;1494434000;asciilifeform;this happened a handful of times, to date.
1654183;1494434003;asciilifeform;i dun have a trilema.
1654184;1494434042;mircea_popescu;having a trilema is good, even though it costs a little.
1654185;1494434046;mircea_popescu;same old ho discussion : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639
1654186;1494434046;a111;Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
1654187;1494434072;asciilifeform;right. i dun mean the physical box, mircea_popescu . i meant 'in my head, i dun have a trilema' to say.
1654188;1494434086;mircea_popescu;hm.
1654189;1494434118;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, you're doing pretty well holding your own in here.
1654190;1494434124;asciilifeform;i could get the box, if i had the outpour of production that'd merit one.
1654191;1494434328;asciilifeform;mod6: try verifying the pgpblock
1654192;1494434337;asciilifeform;it oughta work nao.
1654193;1494434373;asciilifeform;mod6: ( backported http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654094 from mircea_popescu's wp )
1654194;1494434373;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 16:15 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pgp_fix_cribbed_from_mp.vpatch << tentative . )
1654195;1494434445;asciilifeform;mod6: also plox do me a favour and post the comment yourself again, i'll remove the old one
1654196;1494434454;asciilifeform;so we can confirm that it worx.
1654197;1494437344;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1654199;1494437922;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do me a favour plox : load mod6 comment from my last blogpost and gpg verify
1654200;1494438014;BingoBoingo;It verifies for me
1654201;1494438149;BingoBoingo;In other local news I somehow slept through http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article149709494.html#navlink=Lead
1654202;1494438186;BingoBoingo;"He put three rounds into the bull, behind its shoulder, a traditional target spot to bring down big game, but the bull did not fall. The rifle carried by Highland police is an AR-15 that shoots .223-caliber, non-penetrating rounds." << Not a enough bullet for Buffalo Lives Matter
1654203;1494438295;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo
1654204;1494438343;BingoBoingo;"But the bullet was not able to pierce the buffalo’s thick skull, which they use in nature like battering rams when they fight each other. However, the shot did knock the bull down to where Athmer could reposition again to gain a better angle and deliver more rounds. It took about a dozen shots total before the bull finally succumbed to its wounds in a brushy area about 100 yards off Tyson Road, about a quarter-mile outside the city li
1654205;1494438343;BingoBoingo;mits." << This a a serious failure of community policing. Why were better equipped citizens not deputized to combat the brown menace?
1654206;1494438351;asciilifeform;and ty mircea_popescu for the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654015 which worxxx great.
1654207;1494438351;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 14:36 phf`: i'm pretty sure wp arbitrarily mungles posts/comments on render. that's why mircea_popescu's wp version has a special hack that wraps gpg data in a pre and ensures that wp doesn't touch it in any way
1654208;1494438567;asciilifeform;all that's missing is a new orwell to write 'shooting the bullephant' essay.
1654209;1494439641;mircea_popescu;da fuck is .223 non penetrating supposed to do. get the police robbed by hoodlums in vinyl suits ?
1654210;1494439670;*;mircea_popescu wouldn't even carry that dumb shit. buy a model of a real gun from a toy store, get more mileage out of that.
1654211;1494439704;asciilifeform;ru '74' 5.56mm is similar. 'small bullet philosophy', 1970s
1654212;1494439713;mircea_popescu;idiots.
1654213;1494439715;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and my pleasure.
1654214;1494439737;asciilifeform;iirc idea was, suppressive fire (raw qty) counts for moar than quality
1654215;1494439747;mircea_popescu;this idea works if you're china.
1654216;1494439752;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, so my comment that ~you~ reposted indeed verified after I copied it off the page.
1654217;1494439770;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: also plox do me a favour and post the comment yourself again, i'll remove the old one << sure, can/will do this a bit later for sure.
1654218;1494439777;asciilifeform;mod6: aha, hence why i asked for take2
1654219;1494439802;mod6;np. sorry about the delay.
1654220;1494439983;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc there was also a 'wounded man ties up 3, dead man 1' thing
1654221;1494439994;mircea_popescu;lol
1654222;1494440024;mircea_popescu;dun work worth a shit for the police.
1654223;1494440098;mircea_popescu;anyway. the idea was, rather than actually drill the idiots we recruit into soldiers, cheaper easier and lazier to just give them a gun. and since they're idiots anyway, we "optimize" gun into peashooter. our democracy progressing continously towards further heights of socialism.
1654224;1494440154;mircea_popescu;then they run into actually trained actual men, and "o noes, snipers!!!" => collapsing tikrit "offensive" and "we're still two weeking mosul year and a half later" because three dudes didn't feel like speaking english that time.
1654225;1494440331;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ru '74' 5.56mm is similar. 'small bullet philosophy', 1970s << Completely different thing. When "non-penetrating" is specified bullet generally has plastic jacket over core of lead pellets
1654226;1494440387;BingoBoingo;Idea is that 3/4" "firestop drywall" stops bullet in apartment buildings
1654227;1494440678;BingoBoingo;!~later tell jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/sc2kp/?raw=true
1654228;1494440678;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1654229;1494441003;mircea_popescu;this sounds a lot like a salt charge someone took the salt out of.
1654230;1494441031;asciilifeform;smallbullet is not necessarily dumb, after all 1/2mv^2 -- not 1/2m^2v .
1654231;1494441046;asciilifeform;the 'frangible' thing is crackpottery tho.
1654232;1494441081;asciilifeform;sounds like an attempt to make 'dumdum' without the bad pr ( but why?? )
1654233;1494441086;mircea_popescu;the human/whatever body is made to resist certain stresses. you gotta be that tall to ride sort of situation.
1654234;1494441133;asciilifeform;bullet kills enemy with shock wave / liquifaction, not with hole ( notice, folx who have 'only hole', often live )
1654235;1494441164;mircea_popescu;depends where.
1654236;1494441183;asciilifeform;just short of everywhere.
1654237;1494441878;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the 'frangible' thing is crackpottery tho. << It's lawyerasty. Shooting through next apartment and killing cat would ruin a small podunk PD.
1654238;1494441905;asciilifeform;dunno that this is so
1654239;1494441917;asciilifeform;they routinely fire into crowds and nail folx even mile away, and 0 ruin.
1654240;1494441950;BingoBoingo;Per the courts: FBI gets to kill Lavoy Finicum, Big Urban PD gets to sometimes kill people, Small town PD gets to write traffic tickers and bother drunks
1654241;1494442743;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/comey-out-at-fbi-swamp-thrashes-as-guileless-people-pleasing-politruck-fired/ << Qntra - Comey Out At FBI: Swamp Thrashes As Guileless People Pleasing Politruck Fired
1654242;1494442750;BingoBoingo;Observe: StL city pd gets to shoot to kill. Suburban Ferguson gets consent decreed to death.
1654243;1494442783;asciilifeform;!#s gendarmerie
1654244;1494442783;a111;46 results for "gendarmerie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gendarmerie
1654245;1494442793;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plan is for 'small town pd' to evaporate. entirely.
1654246;1494442813;asciilifeform;to be replaced by appointees from mvd or whatever it'll end up being called.
1654247;1494442817;asciilifeform;ministry of internals.
1654248;1494442850;BingoBoingo;I am pretty sure being less equipped to slay bovine beast than "Rural King" near beast's rampage is pretty damn evaporated
1654249;1494442894;*;asciilifeform recently learned that 'rural king' actually exists. wants to visit.
1654250;1494442907;BingoBoingo;I've been telling you it's a place for years
1654251;1494442919;asciilifeform;i kinda assumed it were a composite picture.
1654252;1494442935;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Rural+King
1654253;1494442951;BingoBoingo;First reference may 2014 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-30#695835
1654254;1494442951;a111;Logged on 2014-05-30 18:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there is a big box type store called "Rural King" has more useful materials for electronics security than Best Buy
1654255;1494442973;asciilifeform;and also mentally associated it with http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/2/22/Fo1_Intro_Radiation_King_OR.png
1654256;1494443073;BingoBoingo;https://www.ruralking.com/storelocator/index/index/
1654257;1494443113;asciilifeform;nearest 1 is 2h away l0l
1654258;1494443116;asciilifeform;unsurprise.
1654259;1494443173;*;BingoBoingo wonders how asciilifeform would handle the wonders of "Tractor Supply" or Bucheit
1654260;1494443297;BingoBoingo;Or the wonderlands where tractor dealerships co-exist with car dealerships in a ratio that sometimes drops as low as 4/5
1654261;1494443312;asciilifeform;well i dun have a tract !
1654262;1494443314;asciilifeform;so no tractor
1654263;1494443371;asciilifeform;https://www.ruralking.com/tannerite-10-pack-1-2-lb-exploding-binary-target.html << interesting
1654264;1494443373;*;asciilifeform had nfi.
1654265;1494443550;BingoBoingo;Yes, much of the cool shit you thing simply doesn't exist is actually sitting on store shelves 2 hours away
1654266;1494443597;asciilifeform;ammonal existed in 20th c : '...Вбивают в камни аммонал,: Могилу рыть пора,: И содрогается запал: Бикфордова шнура...' ( v. shalamov )
1654267;1494443600;mircea_popescu;pity one can't do anything without 8mn.
1654268;1494443608;asciilifeform;it's what you blow the permafrost with, to dig grave.
1654269;1494443634;asciilifeform;'...И без одежды, без белья, Костлявый и нагой, Ложусь в могилу эту я - Поскольку нет другой.' (tm)(r)
1654270;1494443669;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> so no tractor << Amazingly "tractor supply" sells pretty much everything rural but the tractors.
1654271;1494443735;asciilifeform;'A 24-year-old man from Portland, Oregon, used a Tannerite explosion as a means of suicide. Officials indicated that on March 19, 2015, the man parked his car along US Route 26 in a rural area near Mt. Hood and walked into nearby woods, where he detonated a "large quantity" of Tannerite with a .223 caliber rifle. The blast shattered trees and resulted in a crater two feet deep and ten feet wide.' << lol, the sheer wtf
1654272;1494443753;asciilifeform;why not simply eat the rifle.
1654273;1494443781;BingoBoingo;Perhaps he held a deep resentment against the trees?
1654274;1494443806;asciilifeform;or not satisfied with lethality of .223!111
1654275;1494443828;BingoBoingo;Or did not want medical bill if .223 failed
1654276;1494443873;asciilifeform;http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2015/03/family_of_man_who_died_in_mt_h.html#incart_river << crater
1654277;1494443973;ben_vulpes;epic
1654278;1494443985;ben_vulpes;up there with the shotgun hat
1654279;1494444040;asciilifeform;but meanwhile, in the world of tardanology : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dutch-cops-bust-another-pgp-blackberry-company-for-alleged-money-laundering ( archive.is fails ! srsly the load-from-single-ip thing is monumentally retarded )
1654280;1494444073;asciilifeform;'how to make'em use our tardano?' 'aha! idea! we'll arrest some derps 'for using it''
1654281;1494444098;asciilifeform;'Since 2014, 34 Dutch investigations, including those involving attempted assassinations and international drug trafficking, have involved PGP phones, according to Politie. "Police and prosecutors have evidence that the main suspects knew their products and services primarily used by criminals for such offenses," the Politie announcement reads.'
1654282;1494444109;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yOPEu/?raw=true << whole thing
1654283;1494444270;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/ZcXW0ji.jpg << In other WTF
1654284;1494444443;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i oughta explain -- the astonishing thing wasn't that ammonal exists ; or that the 2 basic ingredients are sold in shops ( they indeed are , worldwide ) but that the 'mix it yourself' juridicial loophole still holds anywhere in usa ( it appears to, in a few states, for the time being . )
1654285;1494444528;asciilifeform;remember, this was the country where a man got 20 yrs for being found with a shoelace and a semiauto
1654286;1494444541;asciilifeform;( 'could tie shoelace to trigger, like-so, and it'll auto!!'--prosecutor )
1654287;1494444588;asciilifeform;ianal but iirc the doctrine is called 'constructive possession'
1654288;1494444615;asciilifeform;and initially applied to folx who had contraband in a hiding place somewhere outside of own house
1654289;1494444685;asciilifeform;then, was extended, in the classic american pattern, to 'he owned an X? he owned a Y ? where X+Y is $contraband ? now we only gotta prove 'intent to add X+Y''
1654290;1494444700;asciilifeform;which is quite easy to do, 'six words of the honest man', etc.
1654291;1494444856;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/MQCwF << related. famous d00d who was abducted and sits in american prison for -- alleged -- 'intent'
1654292;1494445094;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654272 << recall shalamov's story of a man who killed himself by running (against all odds) into ammonal site
1654293;1494445094;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 19:15 asciilifeform: why not simply eat the rifle.
1654294;1494445114;asciilifeform;aha
1654295;1494445739;mircea_popescu;.223 makes for terrible suicide weapon.
1654296;1494445784;mircea_popescu;moreover, forest makes for terrible suicide location. if you're gonna off yourself, at least take some scum along.
1654297;1494445785;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/
1654298;1494448773;phf`;this DYSPEPSIA GENERATION is neat
1654299;1494450758;ben_vulpes;https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2017/05/exploiting-linux-kernel-via-packet.html
1654300;1494450803;phf`;should've been written in Rust!
1654301;1494451058;ben_vulpes;the rust evangelism chatbot thanks you for your contribution, and awards you eleventy whuffie
1654302;1494451151;ben_vulpes;you may now proceed to quest 3 in the Infiltrate TMSR~ saga: write a patch demonstrating rust interop with TRB
1654303;1494451745;phf`;i'm rewriting everything that asciilifeform is releasing in Ada in Rust, because it's secure AND modern!
1654304;1494452718;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: privesc, snoar
1654305;1494452786;asciilifeform;speaking of 'c but with safety, really, believe!11' the original, 'd', apparently is in some sense alive! today : https://dlang.org
1654306;1494452788;*;asciilifeform had nfi
1654307;1494452841;asciilifeform;but, with, lol, llvm backend.
1654308;1494452850;asciilifeform;unsurprisingly.
1654309;1494452865;asciilifeform;( was the original never openly published ? or simply dun work on anything today ? or wat. )
1654310;1494452903;Framedragger;i never got to really explore D, but vaguely recall the compiler not being / not relying on llvm some years ago
1654311;1494452916;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it was at one time a costly commercial beast
1654312;1494452933;asciilifeform;is in fact the biggest afaik reason it never caught on
1654313;1494452935;Framedragger;author made strong opinionated choices etc, was interesting iirc
1654314;1494452970;Framedragger;asciilifeform: orly, commercial? hah ok, didn't know
1654315;1494453019;asciilifeform;iirc payware until 2014.
1654316;1494453067;Framedragger;ic. i fiddled with it around ~2009 i think. but maybe with some 'freeware' version or w/e.
1654317;1494453068;asciilifeform;official compiler opened... month ago?!
1654318;1494453090;asciilifeform;classic 'hey, it's finally dead AND rotten, we can open source it !!'
1654319;1494453097;asciilifeform;as seen with, e.g., mit lispm sources
1654320;1494453146;Framedragger;but the bootstrap website says that it's industry proven, has FB logo. MIXED SIGNALS
1654321;1494454653;asciilifeform;the typical process is, at megacorp there in some dark closet labours a d00d with long beard who writes, e.g., a log daemon, in erlang. then it gets out and some crackpot www gets 'industry use!' logo.
1654322;1494454851;asciilifeform;http://www.digitalmars.com/shop.html << holy shit, still alive.
1654323;1494456898;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F3A60F20D434E905E2C706B7A1192144749F4FFC2ACA3EF3F60FA94EADAA35D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1353...1039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.243.130.109 (ssh-rsa key from 77.243.130.109 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK 83)
1654324;1494456898;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F3A60F20D434E905E2C706B7A1192144749F4FFC2ACA3EF3F60FA94EADAA35D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1460...1303 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.243.130.109 (ssh-rsa key from 77.243.130.109 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK 83)
1654325;1494457644;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, did you send those tshirts?
1654326;1494459193;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, here goes, will re-submit now.
1654327;1494459322;mod6;ok done.  i copied the text down from the site, got good sig.
1654328;1494459850;asciilifeform;mod6: old comment zapped; new one emplaced
1654329;1494459855;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: holyfuck, no.
1654330;1494459858;mod6;thanks!
1654331;1494459865;*;asciilifeform goes to load crate into car for tomorrow's trip to town
1654332;1494460378;danielpbarron;ok good. was starting to wonder if they got intercepted
1654333;1494461188;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B312256C2F4DA833B050D122ED8C59C76D800FEA9464FCF405F95A96E579FF30 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1686...5079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.254.202.19 (ssh-rsa key from 66.254.202.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns2.t6wireless.com. US)
1654334;1494461188;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B312256C2F4DA833B050D122ED8C59C76D800FEA9464FCF405F95A96E579FF30 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...2857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.254.202.19 (ssh-rsa key from 66.254.202.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns2.t6wireless.com. US)
1654335;1494471061;mod6;wb
1654336;1494472964;mircea_popescu;ty!
1654337;1494476104;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1654338;1494476111;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1775.04, vol: 10646.95455949 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1699.998, vol: 10380.12317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1799.7, vol: 18210.67323177 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1444.874697, vol: 15825.23330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1795.0, vol: 5450.40214789 | Volume-weighted last average: 1685.0430052
1654339;1494476963;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/finding-optimum/ << Trilema - Finding Optimum
1654340;1494479809;BingoBoingo;lol-ow standards http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/05/10/report-only-36-of-indian-coders-can-write-compilable-code/
1654341;1494481993;mircea_popescu;36 total ?
1654342;1494483693;BingoBoingo;Allegedly percent, but perhaps total?
1654343;1494485256;BingoBoingo;!!up Avarice_
1654344;1494485256;deedbot;Avarice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1654345;1494485269;BingoBoingo;Hello Avarice_
1654346;1494485274;Avarice_;Hello.
1654347;1494485276;BingoBoingo;Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1654348;1494485991;Avarice_;My good friend fbar wishes to pledge himself to Mircea
1654349;1494486034;mircea_popescu;lol wut ?
1654350;1494486039;mircea_popescu;!!up jpt4
1654351;1494486040;deedbot;jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
1654352;1494486042;mircea_popescu;!!up fbar
1654353;1494486042;deedbot;fbar voiced for 30 minutes.
1654354;1494486089;jpt4;Greetings, Herr Popescu.
1654355;1494486103;fbar;not yet
1654356;1494486109;fbar;I can not commit
1654357;1494486111;mircea_popescu;ello.
1654358;1494486122;Avarice_;you will finish your phd soon
1654359;1494486123;fbar;And well met Herr Popescu
1654360;1494486125;Avarice_;after then right?
1654361;1494486133;fbar;I just found the site
1654362;1494486143;fbar;and heard maybe a paragraph worth of explanation from jpt4
1654363;1494486150;fbar;maybe 2 months ago
1654364;1494486164;mircea_popescu;what site ?
1654365;1494486175;fbar;trilema.com
1654366;1494486182;BingoBoingo;jpt4 and fbar Who is your daddy and what does he do???
1654367;1494486182;mircea_popescu;ah
1654368;1494486196;fbar;at first I assumed he was referring to a twitter user with the handle of Duke actually
1654369;1494486204;fbar;who seems to enjoy magic tricks
1654370;1494486256;Avarice_;Fbar is in need of lordship to justify his existence
1654371;1494486279;fbar;And my advisor will free me soon enough
1654372;1494486363;jpt4;La Serenissima is one of the few institutions capable of accepting, and worthy of demanding, a sincere oath of loyalty.
1654373;1494486398;fbar;An oath given freely is worth as much
1654374;1494486453;mircea_popescu;an oath huh.
1654375;1494486465;BingoBoingo;Faith without works is dead
1654376;1494486597;jpt4;Mr. Popescu has not shied from testing potential allies in the past.
1654377;1494486612;jpt4;I recall his video poker challenge to Urbit some years ago.
1654378;1494486649;mircea_popescu;oh yeah huh. i recall it too.
1654379;1494486655;jpt4;Give fbar a test.
1654380;1494486681;mircea_popescu;why can't fbar start by adding his key and doing something useful like everyone else ?
1654381;1494486923;BingoBoingo;Surely there's a courthouse or college campus that needs 3+ cubic yards of fresh uncomposted horse manure for the lulz. I'd rate such a delivery a +2 *if only there were a key to attribute it to*
1654382;1494486985;mircea_popescu;i'm going to bed. will read the proceeds of the #trilema invasion in the morning, keep it sprightly.
1654383;1494487061;BingoBoingo;So, gentlemen. Propose your tests
1654384;1494487067;BingoBoingo;!!up Avarice_
1654385;1494487068;deedbot;Avarice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1654386;1494487169;jpt4;What actions beneficial to Trilema et al, and visible enough to cross the ocean, are there to be performed?
1654387;1494487282;BingoBoingo;Well, horse manure delivered to tax offices, delivery of microchip fab to Jamaica, etc. The gamut of useful things is wide and long, but also dark
1654388;1494487311;jpt4;Assist us to peer into the shadows.
1654389;1494487328;jpt4;Fab of what die resolution?
1654390;1494487340;BingoBoingo;Well, design a coat of arms, make some flags and play capture the park against some rangers?
1654391;1494487379;jpt4;https://www.army.mil/ranger/ ?
1654392;1494487380;BingoBoingo;jpt4: That's a question for the lord alf of Beedog
1654393;1494487414;BingoBoingo;The park rangers, like those patriots in Oregon did last year
1654394;1494487437;jpt4;QSL.
1654395;1494487439;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/10/all-militia-heroes-of-oregon-liberation-acquitted-by-jury-in-federal-court/
1654396;1494487490;BingoBoingo;Or from earlier in those lulz http://qntra.net/2016/01/usg-makes-tired-sheriff-face-of-oregon-operations/
1654397;1494488498;BingoBoingo;!!up jpt4
1654398;1494488498;deedbot;jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
1654399;1494488502;BingoBoingo;!!up fbar
1654400;1494488503;deedbot;fbar voiced for 30 minutes.
1654401;1494488507;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep
1654402;1494488518;BingoBoingo;It works when you work it
1654403;1494488541;jpt4;We are swiftly rectifying fbar's unauthenticated anonymity.
1654404;1494488645;fbar;I registered
1654405;1494488651;fbar;and am in the web of trust
1654406;1494489022;BingoBoingo;Have you been rated by anyone?
1654407;1494489117;fbar;no
1654408;1494489237;BingoBoingo;Well, then you aren't webbed in trust you. You are simply a point that can be webbed.
1654409;1494489255;fbar;apologies, jpt4 is still explaining things to me
1654410;1494489317;BingoBoingo;!!gettrust jpt4
1654411;1494489318;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1654412;1494489355;diana_coman;fbar, jpt4 make a text client for Eulora
1654413;1494489367;BingoBoingo;ah
1654414;1494489378;BingoBoingo;I have been relieved, ty diana_coman
1654415;1494489381;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep
1654416;1494489386;diana_coman;night night BingoBoingo
1654417;1494489387;jpt4;Acknowledged, diana_coman.
1654418;1494489393;jpt4;Auf Wiedersehen.
1654419;1494489406;diana_coman;you might want to check out #eulora too and the game itself anyway
1654420;1494489529;fbar;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/C9jh6/?raw=true
1654421;1494489532;deedbot;BFEB1BB933BDE6C6F00C7A9956B9B11D967BCB16 registered as fbar.
1654422;1494489707;fbar;I'll read about eulora
1654423;1494489737;diana_coman;cool; read, ask, join, do
1654424;1494489966;fbar;Bye All!
1654425;1494491862;diana_coman;!!up jpt4
1654426;1494491862;deedbot;jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
1654427;1494491867;diana_coman;!!up Avarice`
1654428;1494491867;deedbot;Avarice` voiced for 30 minutes.
1654429;1494500374;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F8DE075CDBAA6097DE1BF6B4BA32A47399B1098244E6E3C83374BA3024DF981 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.9.13 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.9.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1654430;1494500374;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AB1CC7C0F992FB8527D4B489D4202EB78672F9E0A7F2908A5A3611A00611CDE6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1654431;1494500375;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C7F3B7E0DAE66CA1639E61130850A4A80F876A94C17622346EA9606F89A96F46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.97 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1654432;1494500375;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A62696B656653402759498A68587377998E23A690CAFE8ADAB4F44B45D3F45B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.57 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1654433;1494500376;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C7F3B7E0DAE66CA1639E61130850A4A80F876A94C17622346EA9606F89A96F46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8923...6933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.97 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1654434;1494501336;shinohai;Holy shit the logs this morning.
1654435;1494502184;Framedragger;"programmatically pandering approval eigenstates" haha awesome BingoBoingo :)
1654436;1494503460;shinohai;!~later tell jpt4 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654386   <<< I personally keep losing boats with shipments full of tits. Find the individuals responsible, return my tits, and surely you shall be rewarded.
1654437;1494503460;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 07:19 jpt4: What actions beneficial to Trilema et al, and visible enough to cross the ocean, are there to be performed?
1654438;1494503460;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1654439;1494514146;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: To be fair click the link on "FBI Director and a JWZ" and read the Trilema that appears in your browser
1654440;1494514210;Framedragger;ah :)
1654441;1494514357;BingoBoingo;It's what one does when they are a JWZ, It's a natural milestone on the walk of "just wanting to"
1654442;1494515202;mircea_popescu;!!key fbar
1654443;1494515203;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/BFEB1BB933BDE6C6F00C7A9956B9B11D967BCB16.asc
1654444;1494515434;mircea_popescu;!!key jpt4
1654445;1494515434;deedbot;Not registered.
1654446;1494515611;mircea_popescu;!!rate fbar 1 I dunno, some kid being anony-cool on twitter.
1654447;1494515612;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HxJGS/?raw=true
1654448;1494515636;mircea_popescu;!!v E3D8DBFDDA70532B451D4D988CFFA2423A15577FFAE95C3197A1B8D5B1A8722D
1654449;1494515636;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated fbar 1 << I dunno, some kid being anony-cool on twitter.
1654450;1494515782;mircea_popescu;^ http://twitter.com/akekmememorph for the curious. clever see, cuz kek and meme and stuff. and ironic. and everything. you should prolly date him.
1654451;1494516425;trinque;what the hell was all that
1654452;1494516438;mircea_popescu;teenage hijinks ?
1654453;1494516443;trinque;guess so eh
1654454;1494516471;mircea_popescu;but in further wtf of today : http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/01/noam-chomsky-killed-aaron-swartz.html
1654455;1494516488;mircea_popescu;with the mention that i absolutely don't see his point re chomsky ; but i do see his point re... himself.
1654456;1494516552;mircea_popescu;why's them ghetto folk need to feel & be this contorted, really ? he's going to write a piece to confess imaginary crimes he summoned up for the circumstance which do not exist for any other reason than to try and misrepresent into their opposite his actual feelings about his misconstrued notions of a third party ?
1654457;1494516704;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja even read the linked item ?
1654458;1494516720;mircea_popescu;"i think chomsky is really cool because i imagine chomsky to be this guy who is read worldwide and got really rich out of feeding people ''''alt-blue pills in a red coating''' (yes i'm aware this is nonsense, but it is also easy reference to a by now readily understood brand of nonsense this particular idiot club deals in) and i wanna be just like him!!1" becomes "here's some random '''nobody said them so they'll get said bec
1654459;1494516720;mircea_popescu;ause it's online and we gotta compete on wordage''' items about current event which i'ma misrepresent as somewhow related to me really really hating the chomsky guy i really look up to for the reasons i actually look up to him, notwithstanding the whole pile exists only in my too-lazy-to-actually-read and too-eager-to-imagine-i-got-it-at-first-sentence''' dumber-than-rocks '''child prodigy''' head"
1654460;1494516729;mircea_popescu;wtf. and what the fuck is a "child prodigy" even!
1654461;1494516747;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. the basis of the comment is me reading the whole "Shaft in plato cave" nonsense.
1654462;1494516764;mircea_popescu;(without, of course, references or anything. child prodigy is child prodigy!11")
1654463;1494516773;asciilifeform;chomsky is in fact a leftist darling, powered by 50yr. vintage academitard cred
1654464;1494516789;mircea_popescu;this is true. but this is not what he says.
1654465;1494516836;mircea_popescu;chomsky is, also, for opening bids, the only guy who pointed out what mp pointed out re joe stack. yes his version of "sops, you're cutting the branch you're sitting on" is neither as cogent, articulated, useful or descriptive as mine. but this is because he is old, comparatively stupid and comparatively uncultured.
1654466;1494516856;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, you're now stuck reconciling this item where this lefty darling sees the right perspective.
1654467;1494516861;mircea_popescu;and says it. wut do ?
1654468;1494516890;asciilifeform;tame oppositioner ( a la zhirinovsky ) - typical
1654469;1494516918;mircea_popescu;your stance is that this can be just assumed about anyone any time ?
1654470;1494516928;asciilifeform;no, not anyone.
1654471;1494516949;mircea_popescu;a tribunal made of alf and working on alf principle as above, would hang alf for... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654187
1654472;1494516949;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 16:34 asciilifeform: right. i dun mean the physical box, mircea_popescu . i meant 'in my head, i dun have a trilema' to say.
1654473;1494516973;mircea_popescu;yes, maybe he speaks half truths because reasons. maybe he's just not bright enough to go further ?
1654474;1494516990;asciilifeform;but simple observation that ~actual~ oppositioner will not be permitted mansions and titles inside the reich he is nominally opposing.
1654475;1494517016;mircea_popescu;this matter may be examined, like any matter, but the examination is neither substantiated nor concluded by the one sentence "coach sandusky had nothing on him". where are the fucking examples, notes, etcetera ?
1654476;1494517024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i got mansions and whatever the fuck.
1654477;1494517032;asciilifeform;in usa?!
1654478;1494517043;mircea_popescu;dude, that is a matter of MY choice.
1654479;1494517050;mircea_popescu;if i felt like buying in flordia, i'd have mansions in florida.
1654480;1494517060;mircea_popescu;and if i felt like doing a phd with whoevere the fuck, i'd have that, also.
1654481;1494517081;asciilifeform;this from 'won't go to usa without an army' mircea_popescu
1654482;1494517096;mircea_popescu;it wasn't "usa won't take me without an army", asciilifeform .
1654483;1494517110;asciilifeform;you can represent this as a choice, but it is disingenuous and i gotta go change gas mask canister
1654484;1494517119;mircea_popescu;you can't be fucking serious ?!
1654485;1494517255;mircea_popescu;let me point out that a) i visited, when i felt like ; b) they gave me a 10 year visa back in 2000. i was one of the i dunno, maybe dozen romanians with one, at the time ? c) they fucking held the embassy open while my driver was going 100 on the wrong way in bucharest because i met some friends and got to drinking and we lost track of time and we were late. eventually got a police escort to do it under color of law at least,
1654486;1494517255;mircea_popescu; salvage some statal dignity for the state.
1654487;1494517281;asciilifeform;that was before bitcoin, neh
1654488;1494517285;mircea_popescu;so ?
1654489;1494517299;mircea_popescu;dude, bitcoin is a life changing event for everyone else.
1654490;1494517355;mircea_popescu;i was still mp before bitcoin, just a) you had no way to summon the interest and b) i had no interest to you know, maintain an irc connection like the link with the chest of the covenant.
1654491;1494517377;asciilifeform;incidentally plenty of ro folx in usa. asciilifeform met them for first time, there !
1654492;1494517384;mircea_popescu;in fact, my interest in computers at the time was comparable with your interest in machine guns today. a little bit of history and occasionally maybe have one in the house.
1654493;1494517399;asciilifeform;that's healthy
1654494;1494517403;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but usually on work visas / no visas / 6 months tourist visas etc.
1654495;1494517526;asciilifeform;other thing - going to usa isn't hard; even visa isn't hard ; ~anyone can buy 'green card' for half a mil $ or what was it.
1654496;1494517544;asciilifeform;except for mircea_popescu -- him, they would invite in for free! for life-long residence, lol
1654497;1494517551;asciilifeform;problem is getting ~out~ of usa, not in.
1654498;1494517553;mircea_popescu;well apparently by your theory not anyone with half a mil.
1654499;1494517649;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654291 << example. v. bout had considerably moar than half mil. it bought him 25 yr visa in usa.
1654500;1494517649;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 19:34 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/MQCwF << related. famous d00d who was abducted and sits in american prison for -- alleged -- 'intent'
1654501;1494517674;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, chomski is getting out of usa about as much as gromyko
1654502;1494517732;phf`;i suspect americans know of chomsky because he's got a funny name. like zizhek or solzhenitcin. if you can pronounce it correctly you're probably also into opera and appreciating wine
1654503;1494517756;mircea_popescu;phf` this is true ; but the way he got there was through saying all sorts of weird/taboo things over 30 or so years.
1654504;1494517781;mircea_popescu;now, obviously any bureaucracy aka club of the intellectually lazy will secrete insulating cocoon around such a fellow, in the shape of "oh, he's the delegated weirdsayer".
1654505;1494517814;mircea_popescu;any "good family" girl in her 20s knows so much, to preciously pretend like "oh, uncle joe, he's always ~so~ controversial". which makes me take the cane in hand and leave her some memories.
1654506;1494517843;mircea_popescu;to the outrage of the old bitties. "oh noe, susanna! he beat her! but she's so smart and cultivated and independent and o noes"
1654507;1494517844;mircea_popescu;doh.
1654508;1494518170;mircea_popescu;now, to sum this up -- it's not that i'm a huge chomski fan or anything ; but it is that if the scaffolding were build up in stanford square and the guillotine ready, i'd have serious problem signing off on chomski ; and some obscure dudes in the sciences depts.
1654509;1494518212;mircea_popescu;a la brin say.
1654510;1494518660;phf`;i appreciate chomsky, he gave me a useful analytical tool of considering social and economic dynamic systems in terms of dependency graphs (which doesn't necessarily preclude lizard hitler, but allows for wider range of topologies that includes lizard hitler along all others)
1654511;1494518802;phf`;i think that my initial dissatisfaction with socialism was partially due to chomsky: a flat graph of equal weights with nodes all alike
1654512;1494518832;phf`;with "manufacturing consent" being one of the implications
1654513;1494518838;mircea_popescu;it is not directly evident that chomski is in any meaningful sense socialist. ideologically, intellectually, how'd you like it.
1654514;1494518845;mircea_popescu;he's, basically, a jew.
1654515;1494518985;mircea_popescu;the equivalent'd be to propose i'm vulgar because hey, i do the whole "damn... well, basically they fuck, but it was absolutely splendid in verse" schtick so therefore. except the intelligent can't actually be vulgar ; or for that matter socialist.
1654516;1494519190;mircea_popescu;(the two aren't even distinct. to belong to the lower classes aesthetically or intellectually, what the fuck's the difference.)
1654517;1494519222;asciilifeform;actually asciilifeform was at one time quite fond of chomsky
1654518;1494519228;mircea_popescu;what soured it ?
1654519;1494519235;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform was also fond of zhirinovsky, and of limonov, et al
1654520;1494519258;mircea_popescu;well, what's the alternative, "of a good man - i am fond twice, of a bad man - not even once" ?
1654521;1494519277;asciilifeform;and to be fair i have nothing with which to counter mircea_popescu's 'he's the real deal, but they built an immunological cocoon around'im' hypothesis.
1654522;1494519282;mircea_popescu;gotta be fond till learn better.
1654523;1494519292;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform real deal of what though ?
1654524;1494519330;asciilifeform;dunno what to call it -- honest intellectuals ?
1654525;1494519331;mircea_popescu;i mean, consider -- the nazis did not think so much of the various romanian/ukrainian/polish courts. and their agitprop did say they you know, lure german girls there to fuck!!11
1654526;1494519340;mircea_popescu;can you see ancient rabbi fucking german 12 yo even were she willing ?
1654527;1494519372;mircea_popescu;seems to me he's ~ a modernist reflection of the pre ww2 court system. blaming him for having a postwar reinterpretation of a rabbiniucal court seems rather strange.
1654528;1494522308;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1654529;1494522319;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1867.95, vol: 13642.71317971 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1795.9, vol: 8660.48754 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1886.2, vol: 23685.67742273 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1865.707, vol: 6248.73754329 | Volume-weighted last average: 1864.01145055
1654530;1494522655;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-noose, http://www.falcon-net.org << usg '1000X faster! bitcoin backbone!' chumpnet
1654531;1494522671;asciilifeform;'...application-level cut-through routing. This technique effectively decouples the speed of disseminating blocks from the size of the network...' didjaknow.
1654532;1494522683;asciilifeform;usg.cornell.
1654533;1494522686;trinque;it's fast; see this train.
1654534;1494522698;asciilifeform;that train looks standin' still to me!111
1654535;1494522699;trinque;imagine a train for your blocks and you've got it.
1654536;1494522713;trinque;asciilifeform: gotta shake your head vigorously for it to work
1654537;1494522763;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648749 << this groove wears deeper and deeper
1654538;1494522763;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 18:50 mircea_popescu: the last time us citizen actually said something in public that wasn't marketing-derivative might have been before mark twain was born.
1654539;1494522778;asciilifeform;'we lost on mining, let's leverage control of the telecoms, TeroristBlox will go as slow as we want, CornellBlox will go at the expected speed on the wire'
1654540;1494522794;shinohai;^ Falcon is one of The Siren's pet projects iirc
1654541;1494522804;asciilifeform;shinohai: what's that
1654542;1494522871;shinohai;My name For E. Gün Sirer ... his "team" developed that turd.
1654543;1494522882;asciilifeform;'FEATURES ...  Reduced orphan rate ... Less wasted miner effort' << naturally they pitch it to miners
1654544;1494522888;shinohai;Also some shit called "covenants"
1654545;1494522889;asciilifeform;'mine Only Nonterrorist Tx, win!11'
1654546;1494522898;shinohai;(supposedly deters BTC theft)
1654547;1494522954;shinohai;http://hackingdistributed.com/tag/bitcoin-ng/    <<< see also
1654548;1494523013;asciilifeform;if you believe the heathen chart ('bitnodes'), 'falcon' mega-relay-network etc has ~same number of nodes as... their count of trb.
1654549;1494523367;BingoBoingo;In other things, sync test is now within 1500 blox
1654550;1494523384;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what kind of test was this ?
1654551;1494523447;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 2009 intel syncing in wild on spinning rust. Started in December
1654552;1494523496;asciilifeform;holy shit that's slow
1654553;1494523505;asciilifeform;wtf is the point, thing will never keep up with blox in real time
1654554;1494523544;BingoBoingo;This is why test/experiment!
1654555;1494523562;asciilifeform;also ftr imho 'sync in the wild' is a waste of time, it simply doesn't work, 'wild' contains ~no nodes that actually serve old blox on request.
1654556;1494523571;asciilifeform;it syncs when hits a fellow trb by accident and that's mostly it.
1654557;1494523589;trinque;we'll find out; I'm gonna spin up one here now
1654558;1494523592;trinque;on teh apu2
1654559;1494523645;*;trinque a little sad to find the thing's neutered, but the updated infectious genbootstrap will work as well on the other, or any other device with kernel module tweaking
1654560;1494523652;trinque;^ forthcoming
1654561;1494523658;asciilifeform;incidentally this'd be a good adjunct to pete_dushenski et al's 'peers' patch : see FROM WHOM a fresh node got each block.
1654562;1494523660;asciilifeform;list by #.
1654563;1494523672;trinque;shits fully functional de-dbus'd gentoo onto block device, copies itself in
1654564;1494523692;asciilifeform;'block 4xxxxx : ip p.q.r.s, node advertised 'whatever 9.9.9'', etc
1654565;1494523700;mircea_popescu;trinque iinteresting
1654566;1494523707;trinque;musltronic even.
1654567;1494523711;asciilifeform;trinque: what didja use for a kernel ?
1654568;1494523745;trinque;didn't use an old vintage, but nothing prevents it. do you have a preference?
1654569;1494523762;asciilifeform;trinque: not as such. was wondering for which iron did you leave drivers in.
1654570;1494523776;asciilifeform;this was the principal obstacle when i tried 'infectious gentoo' concept
1654571;1494523785;trinque;I boot with modules, do localyesconfig, then reboot with that product
1654572;1494523794;asciilifeform;you end up with either massive hog kernel 'with everything', or with a thing married to particular iron
1654573;1494523811;trinque;yeh thing can prune itself now.
1654574;1494523817;asciilifeform;neato
1654575;1494523821;asciilifeform;post it trinque
1654576;1494523825;trinque;shall
1654577;1494523826;asciilifeform;i'd like to try myself.
1654578;1494523827;danielpbarron;i would like this too
1654579;1494523834;*;asciilifeform has two apu1 boxen ready to roll
1654580;1494523858;*;danielpbarron has 4 boxes ready
1654581;1494523892;trinque;saturday all day's going to be my catch-up day for this and other things
1654582;1494524151;asciilifeform;meanwhile, https://archive.is/83lMS >> HP winblowz boxen, turns out, ship with keylogger in sound card driver.
1654583;1494524390;asciilifeform;'Conexant's MicTray64.exe is installed with the Conexant audio driver package and registered as a Microsoft Scheduled Task to run after each user login. The program monitors all keystrokes made by the user to capture  and  react  to  functions  such  as  microphone   mute/unmute keys/hotkeys. Monitoring of keystrokes is added by implementing a low-level keyboard input  hook [1] function  that is installed  by calling SetwindowsHookEx
1654584;1494524390;asciilifeform;(). In addition to the handling  of hotkey/function key strokes, all  key-scancode information [2] is written into a logfile in a world-readable path (C:\Users\Public\MicTray.log)...'
1654585;1494524604;asciilifeform;trinque: i'm particularly curious re how you trimmed modules. many crapolade modules don't give any obvious indication that they are useless, there is no mechanism for generating a list of 'THESE we actually need, because of the installed iron, and these -- not'
1654586;1494524713;trinque;only modules I'm even going to have it build in the first place are those involving block devices, network cards (eth), usb controllers
1654587;1494524729;trinque;then afaik those do not load absent the hardware
1654588;1494524743;trinque;folks want more modules, kernel source shall be sitting right there after the thing's booted
1654589;1494524759;asciilifeform;plenty of 'meta' modules (i.e. not iron-specific) without which it is questionable that you have a usable box. for instance, TUN.
1654590;1494524765;asciilifeform;( needed by iptables )
1654591;1494524923;trinque;perhaps. you see firewalling as superior to shipping with "nothing but ssh shall be listening, and if you change this, caveat luser" ?
1654592;1494524940;trinque;at any rate totally willing to hear a list of modules you see everyone should have.
1654593;1494524945;asciilifeform;i see box where i can't ban ip as ~useless.
1654594;1494524946;asciilifeform;problem ?
1654595;1494525001;asciilifeform;my contention is that this functionality should never have been modularized / seen as optional.
1654596;1494525007;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654561 << i like it.  pete_dushenski, thoughts?
1654597;1494525007;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 17:27 asciilifeform: incidentally this'd be a good adjunct to pete_dushenski et al's 'peers' patch : see FROM WHOM a fresh node got each block.
1654598;1494525009;trinque;reasonable. what else?
1654599;1494525108;trinque;what I'd oppose is say, "and what if folks want to use it as a router, or NAS, or hair-net"
1654600;1494525119;trinque;well fuck, learn what you need and go recompile kernel
1654601;1494525140;trinque;iirc the main challenge with gentoo for folks has been getting to that first boot
1654602;1494525149;trinque;I still expect them to do something themselves after first boot
1654603;1494525160;danielpbarron;i got my first booted on first try yesterday
1654604;1494525171;trinque;this thing shits down a userland fs, kernel, lilo, and so long / thanks for teh fish
1654605;1494525199;danielpbarron;now the same machine won't emerge sys-devel/gdb ... but it runs eulora! without window manager!
1654606;1494525206;asciilifeform;trinque: on some boxes, 'first boot' is trivial. on others, not. for instance, my 3ware raid boxen won't load even 1 block after boot loader without the correct mod.
1654607;1494525225;trinque;this was why "apu2" as standard example box
1654608;1494525230;asciilifeform;( there isn't, i will add, a 'lowest common denominator' solution for those. )
1654609;1494525232;trinque;sadly now I find the debugger port I saw on it doesn't do dick.
1654610;1494525241;trinque;but this may not be a problem for noobs, worth arguing
1654611;1494525257;trinque;apu2 will sit down a node, run their weechat or w/e
1654612;1494525275;asciilifeform;trinque: apu2 will run a node. so would a slightly cheaper intel box, and with - turns out - same amount of 'nsa inside'.
1654613;1494525275;trinque;this is superior imho to Framedragger's hosted idea
1654614;1494525301;trinque;asciilifeform: sure, but you don't get the "this particular gentoo recipe SHALL WORK" without *some* standard box
1654615;1494525315;asciilifeform;apu1 was the imho interesting box -- the first, afaik, and only truly usable workstation x64 with PUBLISHED mobo schematics
1654616;1494525332;asciilifeform;but it is not long for this world. i looked yesterday, it is still offered for sale, but who knows for how long.
1654617;1494525367;trinque;worthwhile I think to define a noob-box of some standard which can be yet purchased.
1654618;1494525389;asciilifeform;'gizmo2' is a slightly moar 'human' box, it has hdmi port even
1654619;1494525404;asciilifeform;and presoldered sage header. (doesn't come with a sage box, however, unlike 'gizmo1')
1654620;1494525414;asciilifeform;otherwise identical chipset, and same one as apu1
1654621;1494525419;asciilifeform;also comes with schematics.
1654622;1494525430;asciilifeform;but only 1G of ram.
1654623;1494525433;*;trinque has the gizmo and sage sitting here too
1654624;1494525434;asciilifeform;so i hesitate to say 'workstation'.
1654625;1494525447;trinque;thing is, this recipe shall work provided a particular kernel config for particular box
1654626;1494525456;asciilifeform;theoretically if you could source the chipset, you could have an equivalent box made, but with dimm slots
1654627;1494525461;trinque;but I don't want to overcomplicate things or this will be another round of "gentoo does not work"
1654628;1494525462;asciilifeform;that'd be something.
1654629;1494525493;trinque;worthwhile to at least get folks carting around their own copy of various distfiles eh? get them off the debian apt servers and so on.
1654630;1494525504;trinque;^ main point of the thing, script shall shit down distfiles
1654631;1494525511;trinque;and not grab from the net
1654632;1494525557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> i see box where i can't ban ip as ~useless << why the heck.
1654633;1494525613;mircea_popescu;trinque> iirc the main challenge with gentoo for folks has been getting to that first boot << nah, getting it to correctly use video without taking more in babysitting timevalue than the box cost in the first place. which means < 1 hr.
1654634;1494525730;trinque;same method would apply, but since my own needs begin with headless boxen, started there.
1654635;1494525731;asciilifeform;video works either immediately (pre-obummer cards, approximately) or never (i count 'with closed blob driver package' as == 'never')
1654636;1494525759;trinque;could build all video related modules, then reboot, modprobe them all, cd /usr/src/linux && make localyesconfig/localmodconfig
1654637;1494525792;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1654638;1494525814;mircea_popescu;still, apu1 with pre-checked gentoo install as a commodity router/webserver is sound approach.
1654639;1494525837;*;asciilifeform quite fond of those things. THREE (!) GBe nics.
1654640;1494525845;asciilifeform;plus a proper (rs232 signal level) serial port.
1654641;1494525860;asciilifeform;and this in a box the size of, approx, vhs tape.
1654642;1494525870;mod6;lel
1654643;1494525874;mircea_popescu;maybe we should give trinque shares, box the apu1, sell TMSR router/webserver/mailserver
1654644;1494525899;asciilifeform;main weakness of apu1 is that it is approx. the pogo
1654645;1494525908;asciilifeform;single-source item with dwindling supply.
1654646;1494525922;mircea_popescu;worked ok for those dorks, recall, the guy didn't wanna talk to us ?
1654647;1494525935;asciilifeform;which one?
1654648;1494525951;mircea_popescu;soldered a raspi inside a pizza carton, sold as "nofucks" or somesuch
1654649;1494525962;asciilifeform;not an example to be imitated, imho.
1654650;1494526005;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1654651;1494526010;asciilifeform;asciilifeform will never be able to in good conscience sign off on the extant GB NICs as auditable items.
1654652;1494526019;mircea_popescu;the apu's ?
1654653;1494526025;asciilifeform;such as.
1654654;1494526041;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1654655;1494526056;asciilifeform;they won't even warn up without $mysteryblob.
1654656;1494526058;asciilifeform;*warm
1654657;1494526070;asciilifeform;!#s realtek
1654658;1494526071;a111;32 results for "realtek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=realtek
1654659;1494526072;mircea_popescu;so then what did you like about apu1 in the first place ?
1654660;1494526082;asciilifeform;the cpu
1654661;1494526100;asciilifeform;and the fact that the mb schematic was actually published ( this is unspeakably untypical )
1654662;1494526115;mircea_popescu;i see/
1654663;1494526121;asciilifeform;plus the working sage plug.
1654664;1494526138;mircea_popescu;so then, main weakness of apu is that it is useless for networking.
1654665;1494526146;mircea_popescu;not that considerations about supplyu chain.
1654666;1494526149;asciilifeform;( there are 3 known boards with these, at least considering only ones that you can actually BUY : apu1; gizmo1; and gizmo2 . afaik . )
1654667;1494526166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by same token ALL known GBe nics are just as useless, yes
1654668;1494526180;asciilifeform;but separate issue is that amd discontinued the sage-able G-series cpu.
1654669;1494526193;asciilifeform;a certain qty of them -- remains in stock, in various places.
1654670;1494526196;asciilifeform;after that -- fin.
1654671;1494526284;trinque;dunno that one's weechat box *ought* to have any expectation of security/privacy
1654672;1494526289;trinque;not like I keep my keys on mine.
1654673;1494526303;trinque;it's less a bedroom and more pissing off the balcony
1654674;1494526307;asciilifeform;trinque: by that token, can just buy intel's single chip toy box etc
1654675;1494526310;mircea_popescu;but by this reasoning just run windows on it.
1654676;1494526313;asciilifeform;^
1654677;1494526323;trinque;I don't see how that follows.
1654678;1494526327;asciilifeform;the value of apu1, or gizmo, etc is not 'cheap node box'
1654679;1494526332;asciilifeform;it DOESN'T win on that score
1654680;1494526354;mircea_popescu;if the idea is "this stove is not intended to work as a gun" then you can't justify buying lens clearing fluid for the stove's scope.
1654681;1494526363;asciilifeform;costs considerably more, and often hard to get ( the swiss d00dz make'em in batches, i had to wait ~month for mine back when i got it ) than konsoomer crud
1654682;1494526374;trinque;the reason we have *nothing* on this front is the conversation goes "there are no nics"
1654683;1494526378;trinque;yes, well known by now.
1654684;1494526380;trinque;and also other things
1654685;1494526393;mircea_popescu;yeah, the nic issue gotta be addressed already.
1654686;1494526413;asciilifeform;trinque: one nice thing is that the apu1 had 3 pci-m holes. so if a proper nic existed, you could potentially install it.
1654687;1494526432;mircea_popescu;honestly i'd feel happier with random hp box behind proper nic than with special-gentoo-special-raspberypi with rotm realtek/whatever
1654688;1494526433;trinque;apu2 has 3 also
1654689;1494526447;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit is that 1) afaik it does not exist . 2) the idiot pc architecture gives your nic - regardless of who made it -- access to ALL OF RAM
1654690;1494526466;asciilifeform;trinque: right. apu2 has a fritzed cpu however.
1654691;1494526477;asciilifeform;which makes firmware dev problematic.
1654692;1494526485;asciilifeform;( how the hell did anyone even port coreboot to apu2 ?? )
1654693;1494526493;mircea_popescu;so tmsr computing wishlist goes a) ram insulating motherboard ; b) fully open nic to fuckgoats standards.
1654694;1494526522;trinque;I dunno what strategic sense it makes to as yet have no mechanical way to stamp out a full trb node
1654695;1494526529;trinque;and have all the excited teenagers stick them everywhere
1654696;1494526534;trinque;meanwhile yes fixing computing still.
1654697;1494526539;asciilifeform;ditch the 'insulators'. asciilifeform asks for 1 thing and 1 thing only hardwarewise -- massive open fpga, coupled to dram slots.
1654698;1494526540;asciilifeform;that's it.
1654699;1494526550;mircea_popescu;meh.
1654700;1494526562;asciilifeform;no magical whatevers, just basic clay out of which to make the comp.
1654701;1494526577;mircea_popescu;no, have motherboard design where the "dma" is a specified bank, and the cpu ram is a different bank ; and let it call whichever it specifically wants.
1654702;1494526584;trinque;and what of teenagers being expendable and this being a vastly undertapped resource?
1654703;1494526597;trinque;this is not asciilifeform's firmware dev env
1654704;1494526598;asciilifeform;how to architect fpga box is separate conversation, and iirc mircea_popescu had a pretty good handle on it.
1654705;1494526613;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is not this conversation.
1654706;1494526619;trinque;what do they use it on, running weed around and whatnot
1654707;1494526623;asciilifeform;but basic idea -- nothing other than fpga machine conforms to 'auditable without electron microscope' and 'specificity of diddling'.
1654708;1494526641;asciilifeform;and yes, this was different thread.
1654709;1494526679;asciilifeform;but relates, because 'make isolating nic for x86' is not a solvable problem, it is a gabriel_laddelism -- for one thing, such a device is already available, it is called usb nic. but is hog-slow, for fundamental reasons (polled i/o)
1654710;1494526697;mircea_popescu;hardly. what exactly do you even want to "ban ips for" on your realtek nic asciilifeform ?
1654711;1494526720;asciilifeform;that's an ip stack knob, not nic knob
1654712;1494526733;trinque;attacker cannot change IPs ?
1654713;1494526745;trinque;also wtf let somebody's n00b box get attacked
1654714;1494526762;mircea_popescu;...
1654715;1494526763;asciilifeform;trinque: 'ban ip' in context referred to 'ban port', 'reject dns', or whatever other machinations.
1654716;1494526769;mircea_popescu;nic will say whatever ip it fuckinfg feels like saying that day
1654717;1494526771;asciilifeform;imho basic feature of ip stack.
1654718;1494526782;asciilifeform;not really pertinent to hardware thread imho.
1654719;1494526797;trinque;if these are retarded let teh youf mark the idiocy with their bodies
1654720;1494526820;trinque;wasn't hardware thread. got dragged there because reasons.
1654721;1494526860;trinque;army of excitable young dickheads are meanwhile all farting around winking at us from their android devices or whatever
1654722;1494526899;mircea_popescu;trinque i don't think they'll ever do something useful though, for the reason that it's useful. somehow the drones intuit and avoid any non-drony un-pointless meaningful activity.
1654723;1494526913;mircea_popescu;you know, "Goes against their principles".
1654724;1494526939;asciilifeform;trinque: such marvels as, e.g., 'web20', javascript, etc. came directly from allowing teenaged scum to have whatever involvement in design aside from cleaning the shop at closing time each day.
1654725;1494526999;asciilifeform;their approach to engineering is 'junkyard wars' -- 'look mother, what i made from dead possum and string!'
1654726;1494527049;mircea_popescu;for me personally, the "young soviet" personified by cptn breznev was rather instructive.
1654727;1494527067;trinque;I am not yet this cynical, if only for my own dick-pulling.
1654728;1494527079;mircea_popescu;this is probably a good thing.
1654729;1494527179;mircea_popescu;anyway, as far as "headless whatever" item is concerned trinque it seems to me something you can rack is a better choice than something you gotta keep around the house / out of dog's mouth etc.
1654730;1494527201;asciilifeform;apu1 racks, i even have the mechanical bracket somewhere
1654731;1494527214;mircea_popescu;ah then cool
1654732;1494527214;asciilifeform;you can fit iirc 8 of'em in a traditional 1u
1654733;1494527251;asciilifeform;it uses conductive, rather than convective, cooling, however, could be problem in a hot dc
1654734;1494527255;mircea_popescu;miught make a fine offering for the eventual tmsr isp, just as soon as anyone gets off their intellectual arse and actually starts living life instead of dreaming it.
1654735;1494528469;mircea_popescu;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1654736;1494528469;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1654737;1494528545;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: this pattern where hardware is named in-channel and then you comment on it is highly inefficient. How much would you charge (USD, via paypal/venmo) to iterate through a-zA-Z, 0-9, #\! thru #\) and name each and every item of computer hardware related to it you possibly can + give a review. Then to encrypt the resulting text file to a
1654738;1494528545;gabriel_laddel_p;ll lords + myself?
1654739;1494528568;mircea_popescu;o.O
1654740;1494528581;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: this would take a rather long time. and i'm not convinced that the result would be very interesting
1654741;1494528582;mircea_popescu;alf's encyclopedia of hardware ?
1654742;1494528591;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: yep.
1654743;1494528603;asciilifeform;'hmm was that 1 matrox in '98 any good? or was it a hercules..'
1654744;1494528608;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I don't care about how long, just want the price
1654745;1494528616;mircea_popescu;it might provide fine support for alf to transition from the phase of "i can't write a trilema" to the phase of "there it is, read it
1654746;1494528643;mircea_popescu;can't lay out silk for an umbrella without the spikes or how it went.
1654747;1494528646;asciilifeform;'i forgot my hat on top of mt everest, how much would you suppose you must charge, asciilifeform , to fetch it for me ??'
1654748;1494528649;gabriel_laddel_p;I just turned up an extra $100 and will happily venmo it to you today if you JUST DO IT.
1654749;1494528661;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: you're missing a couplea zeros
1654750;1494528665;mircea_popescu;this guy is adorable.
1654751;1494528666;*;trinque lols mightily
1654752;1494528669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well intent counts yes ?
1654753;1494528673;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: how many, exactly?
1654754;1494528683;mircea_popescu;!#d 8 million
1654755;1494528698;mircea_popescu;that'll become alf's own "500." fast and furious dood moment.
1654756;1494528700;asciilifeform;the odd thing is that these are ~all in the l0gz
1654757;1494528701;asciilifeform;for phreeeee
1654758;1494528715;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I have a partial list of hardware related items from the logs.
1654759;1494528723;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: but I want the _complete_ list.
1654760;1494528742;trinque;complete list of "this also don't use"
1654761;1494528744;trinque;?
1654762;1494528756;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: no, a complete list of hardware items + review
1654763;1494528763;mircea_popescu;"eight." "eight what ?" "eight million. when i was a kid i figured you had to get eight million together to be considered a legitimate rich guy. so i got busy".
1654764;1494528787;gabriel_laddel_p;I can't imagine this would take more than 5 days + a bunch of coffee.
1654765;1494528797;gabriel_laddel_p;and half days at that
1654766;1494528816;mircea_popescu;hey, if that were true...
1654767;1494528856;trinque;you (snort) you gotta go big asciilifeform, just make the (pounds desk) the list of all hardware.
1654768;1494528863;asciilifeform;lol
1654769;1494528905;asciilifeform;'no one will believe, but i find the fixation with ancient iron, counterproductive', said asciilifeform from old x60 lappy
1654770;1494528944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when you're done with that you can cycle through the realtek until you document it and reverse the blob, we'll be good.
1654771;1494528978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 100% of what can be reversed without electron microscopy, is already public
1654772;1494528981;asciilifeform;( re realtek )
1654773;1494528986;asciilifeform;iirc i even linked to datashit here.
1654774;1494528991;trinque;your coffee must be shit.
1654775;1494528994;mircea_popescu;is there an english equivalent to the ancient romanian "an idiot throws a stone overboard and ten philosophers can't fish it back out" ?
1654776;1494529011;mod6;wtf is venmo?
1654777;1494529020;mircea_popescu;like beenz.
1654778;1494529030;gabriel_laddel_p;mod6: some USG money transfer thing for young people
1654779;1494529048;gabriel_laddel_p;"send $ to a phone #!"
1654780;1494529050;mircea_popescu;is it related to the "ven" bs nefario was pushing at his stallman-attended scamference ?
1654781;1494529054;asciilifeform;how the living fuck does one reverse ciphered blob of instructions for unknown instruction set, consisting mainly of writes to registers of unknown purpose (mostly dealing in such things as setting PLL frequency etc) without physical peek ?
1654782;1494529058;asciilifeform;i'd luvv to know.
1654783;1494529067;mod6;eek. u no like btc?
1654784;1494529068;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform peek, peek.
1654785;1494529077;asciilifeform;currently i haven't with what.
1654786;1494529090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "they slap, they slap, but some fuck!"
1654787;1494529099;mircea_popescu;ask the fucking chip!
1654788;1494529130;gabriel_laddel_p;http://ubiquity.acm.org/article.cfm?id=2913029 < search for "smooth surprise"
1654789;1494529137;asciilifeform;one 'asks' by dissolving package in nitric acid and then micrograph.
1654790;1494529148;asciilifeform;incidentally iirc phf` had a phriend with access to subj
1654791;1494529151;asciilifeform;what became of this ?
1654792;1494529170;gabriel_laddel_p;I was hanging out with aerospace ppl, one of whom works on computer aircraft software -- gave him the function in question and told him it had a floating point error, asked what it was
1654793;1494529185;gabriel_laddel_p;*consumer aircraft software
1654794;1494529189;gabriel_laddel_p;he said "overflow"
1654795;1494529228;mircea_popescu;sooo ?
1654796;1494529256;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: read the article. Or just the smooth surprise part. It isn't an overflow error
1654797;1494529274;gabriel_laddel_p;anyways, just another addition to ascii's "floating point has to die" thread.
1654798;1494529279;asciilifeform;float arithmetic is a 20th c mistake
1654799;1494529282;asciilifeform;burn it .
1654800;1494529285;mircea_popescu;yes, but why is the happenstance that some dood with the right robes made $mistake relevant ?
1654801;1494529286;gabriel_laddel_p;lol c?
1654802;1494529287;asciilifeform;use rationals .
1654803;1494529378;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: an addition to the story that "floating point must die": because otherwise intelligent people who have PHDs, write haskell & work on stuff we useveryday end up making less-than-obvious mistakes without realizing it.
1654804;1494529391;gabriel_laddel_p;The article also lists 2 disasters that resulted from floating point errors
1654805;1494529416;gabriel_laddel_p;rocket explosion + failure of a PATRIOT missile to hit its target, resulting in 28 deaths.
1654806;1494529433;mircea_popescu;right. is the subtext that if only you were somehow involved this'd have been averted ?
1654807;1494529462;gabriel_laddel_p;No? But I suppose that is the case, isn't it.
1654808;1494529481;asciilifeform;hey gabriel_laddel_p -- do you know ada ?
1654809;1494529486;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: nope.
1654810;1494529515;mircea_popescu;here's the thing : the reason you do not see results commensurate with your perceived (and for all anyone knows, correctly perceived) subjective capacity is that you do not provide yourself with proper basis and sufficient time to make it happen.
1654811;1494529534;mircea_popescu;a woman that'd make a great wife STILL HAS TO spend more than a few weeks on one man to achieve that potential.
1654812;1494529589;mircea_popescu;and champion seeds that are plowed under every night won't ever champion anything, next field will raise an economically relevant crop of tubers if left undisturbed.
1654813;1494529600;mircea_popescu;there's a reason alf hates interruptions.
1654814;1494529609;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: acknowledged.
1654815;1494529671;asciilifeform;btw gabriel_laddel_p i still have an x61 lappy that iirc you wanted
1654816;1494529683;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: PM'ing you mailing details now.
1654817;1494529690;asciilifeform;dun forget to sign
1654818;1494529867;ben_vulpes;in other waaaat, spicer hiding in bushes to avoid questions about comey
1654819;1494529881;mircea_popescu;which one was spicer again ?
1654820;1494529896;ben_vulpes;press blocker
1654821;1494529914;mircea_popescu;a right
1654822;1494529922;ben_vulpes;bushes!
1654823;1494529930;ben_vulpes;these are the lolz that are good for buttcoin.
1654824;1494530115;phf`;asciilifeform: not a friend, a ru reverser that i've spoken to, presumably he accepts hardware from all givers https://zeptobars.com
1654825;1494530125;asciilifeform;aah
1654826;1494530136;asciilifeform;oooh him!
1654827;1494530139;asciilifeform;neato
1654828;1494530369;asciilifeform;speaking of zepto, linked http://www.baikalelectronics.com/products/T1 << i muchly would want this. anyone try to buy ?
1654829;1494530376;asciilifeform;or is it another elbrus.
1654830;1494530382;asciilifeform;anyone so much as ever seen one ?
1654831;1494530745;phf`;tried sourcing it, no dice. person i know who could've helped recently moved to germany
1654832;1494530783;mircea_popescu;here's a thought : incorporate in moscow, hire a coupla call girls, pay their salary and send them to find you pieces.
1654833;1494530793;*;asciilifeform wrote to baikal, fwiw
1654834;1494530806;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik you can't incorporate in ru w/out a resident
1654835;1494530820;*;phf` is resident
1654836;1494530823;asciilifeform;oh hey.
1654837;1494530835;mircea_popescu;all lawyers are also residents.
1654838;1494530875;asciilifeform;looks like we have a man for this job...
1654839;1494530900;phf`;i'll look into it next trip
1654840;1494530916;mircea_popescu;phf` go to moscow, incorporate, hire a coupla hookers at the moscow uni, pref 2nd/3rd year, send one to baikal once you're done fucking them ?
1654841;1494531083;phf`;ООО Тимисария Холдингс
1654842;1494531150;asciilifeform;lol!
1654843;1494531170;asciilifeform;but hey, wainot.
1654844;1494531203;mircea_popescu;lol wut!
1654845;1494531288;mircea_popescu;anyway, to repurpose an ustardism, "in a world starved of whorish talent, it is hard to lose money hiring sophomores from moscow u."
1654846;1494531407;asciilifeform;presently i'm not convinced that 'baikal' cpu exists -- experience suggests that it's an elbrus, a small handful of physical items for ru army and a large stack of imaginary bezzle cpus which actually turned into swiss gold and florida mansions for various scum instead of into cpu
1654847;1494531413;asciilifeform;but i'd luvv to be proven wrong.
1654848;1494531477;asciilifeform;i suspect that if either baikal or elbrus ~existed~ in commercially relevant qtys, it would handily corner the 'fuck cisco and usg crapolade' market worldwide
1654849;1494531491;asciilifeform;but then again someone could point same type of finger at, e.g., FUCKGOATS
1654850;1494531495;asciilifeform;so i have nfi.
1654851;1494531504;mircea_popescu;no, because fg can be ordered and getgs delivered.
1654852;1494531521;asciilifeform;well yes, i was speaking from pov of folx who encounter for first time
1654853;1494531531;asciilifeform;'if this is real, why not at my corner shop eh'
1654854;1494531569;mircea_popescu;by this recknoning caviar is not real.
1654855;1494531578;asciilifeform;lolwat
1654856;1494531584;asciilifeform;most folx i think have eaten it
1654857;1494531593;mircea_popescu;but is it at corner shop ?
1654858;1494531609;mircea_popescu;also moon not real. so following.
1654859;1494531609;asciilifeform;actually you can't go 5km in washington region without seeing it on a shelf, surprisingly
1654860;1494531615;asciilifeform;but i get the idea.
1654861;1494531618;mircea_popescu;5km contain at least half dozen corners.
1654862;1494531676;asciilifeform;at any rate i mailed'em and asked for quote for 100 units
1654863;1494531682;asciilifeform;lessee.
1654864;1494531691;*;asciilifeform does not expect answer, tbh
1654865;1494531798;mircea_popescu;nothing beats 1.5m from hips to floor wanting to see director. certainly not a letter.
1654866;1494531878;asciilifeform;tru!!
1654867;1494532351;*;asciilifeform pictures talking giraffe asking to 'see director'
1654868;1494532429;asciilifeform;>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ixchs/?raw=true << in other noose !!
1654869;1494532435;asciilifeform;^sad
1654870;1494532487;asciilifeform;^ reads ~100% exactly like asciilifeform's correspondence with intel and amd.
1654871;1494532878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what's the problem ? point them to nsa fg page, explain the company is working on an uninterdictable nuclear missile to wipe the united states off the face of the earth.
1654872;1494532885;asciilifeform;nda
1654873;1494532887;asciilifeform;i won't sign.
1654874;1494532899;mircea_popescu;ignore that part.
1654875;1494532911;mircea_popescu;first rule of "business" : ignore all items not of interest.
1654876;1494532933;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> no, because fg can be ordered and getgs delivered. << confirmed.
1654877;1494532957;asciilifeform;this is where i bow to the peopleskillz muscles of mircea_popescu and ask if he'll try an' write .
1654878;1494532962;mircea_popescu;thenh negotiation can begin : we leave off wiping the us ; they leave off the nda, it's a give and take process.
1654879;1494532971;mircea_popescu;aite, a second.
1654880;1494532995;asciilifeform;i used the box on their www, it apparently works.
1654881;1494533135;lobbes;http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/22/swordfight-after-man-robs-shop-with-sword-but-shopkeeper-pulls-out-huge-scimitar-6082582/ << meanwhile, in Pittsburgh
1654882;1494533285;mod6;ha
1654883;1494533292;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tArjQ/?raw=true
1654884;1494533307;asciilifeform;mno. mircea_popescu signs and sends.
1654885;1494533327;shinohai;SCIMITAR!
1654886;1494533329;mircea_popescu;i thought he was talking to you ?
1654887;1494533339;asciilifeform;he'll happily talk to mircea_popescu .
1654888;1494533359;mircea_popescu;aite, ima buy some whatever the shits and not give them to you then!
1654889;1494533366;asciilifeform;if asciilifeform signs and sends this, he will probably have to design the mips box on toilet paper inside bastille, like de sade
1654890;1494533382;mircea_popescu;a, you think ?
1654891;1494533390;mircea_popescu;well, so tone down the parts that concern you, what.
1654892;1494533393;asciilifeform;not that it's necessarily avoidable in long run.
1654893;1494533394;mircea_popescu;not like i'm married to it.
1654894;1494533441;asciilifeform;btw in sharp contrast with china -- where they sent me fresh crystals within 2 (! rather than promised 3!) weeks, with ZERO prying questions and certainly no nda.
1654895;1494533448;mircea_popescu;in any case, i guarantee you it'll make their day.
1654896;1494533500;mircea_popescu;as you might imagine, "Sales & Business Development" not the most exciting line of work.
1654897;1494533608;asciilifeform;i quite like folx who sell actual product , for cash on barrelhead, without demanding offers of marriage or vows of eternal fealty etc.
1654898;1494533645;mircea_popescu;hey, the russki's are trying to be civilised. absent any signal from you as to what civilisation entails, they end up following the pantsuit ustards.
1654899;1494533665;asciilifeform;( in asciilifeform's experience, nda in 100% of cases exists to hide screaming incompetence , astronomical prices, stolen material, or often all 3 )
1654900;1494533686;mircea_popescu;you're too focused on what's here evidently a minor add-on.
1654901;1494533784;asciilifeform;also i gotta wonder why anybody (this is re not only baikal but loonson of cn) PAYS FOR 'imagination tech incl' mips license -- when the thing has been out of patent since 1980s
1654902;1494533796;asciilifeform;and is in fact UNDERGRAD project, to implement
1654903;1494533798;mircea_popescu;cuz they work on a comission.
1654904;1494533810;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform wrote a mips in school and i bet phf also did )
1654905;1494533811;diana_coman;have you considered that they might be simply *copying* IBM and the like 'cause that's "how it's done"? i.e. nda etc
1654906;1494533825;mircea_popescu;the entirety of us economy consists not of principals but of agents. why would anyone hire a full servcie broker to churn their holdings ? because they get paid on commission!
1654907;1494533850;mircea_popescu;diana_coman seems entirely likely the item is onlyt there because in their experience ustards perceive its presence as "professional"-ing.
1654908;1494533862;*;trinque thought the whole point of the bureaucracy was to provide cover for *not* following teh rules.
1654909;1494533875;mircea_popescu;kinda how the czars (back before the muscovy took over) kept painting selves in byzantine headgear. ENNOBLEMENT!!!
1654910;1494533880;diana_coman;that's quite how I read it too tbh but I admit I have limited experience with this sort of interactions
1654911;1494533989;trinque;asciilifeform: "An NDA may or may not be appropriate but I'm unable to evaluate the matter without ..." and give him something to do
1654912;1494534032;*;asciilifeform writes...
1654913;1494534033;trinque;at least in the states these slugs switch jobs every 6mos
1654914;1494534048;mircea_popescu;im sure same is true in su.
1654915;1494534445;*;asciilifeform wrote own letter, lessee...
1654916;1494534745;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654883 << ahaha, that's beautiful
1654917;1494534745;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 20:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tArjQ/?raw=true
1654918;1494535184;mircea_popescu;lol
1654919;1494535226;mircea_popescu;guy's name is fucking epic for the purpose, i confess.
1654920;1494535254;mod6;heheh
1654921;1494535856;asciilifeform;btw thing was auto-answerer
1654922;1494535876;asciilifeform;( it is nearly midnight on their end, if it weren't obvious )
1654923;1494535929;mod6;sneaky
1654924;1494535968;asciilifeform;not rly, said 'Письмо сгенерировано автоматически.' right in there, in tail end of email crapolade, i just missed 1st time
1654925;1494535978;asciilifeform;then thought 'hm, how come they answer so quickly' and read again.
1654926;1494536011;mircea_popescu;don't tell me ivan a ivanov is not a real name either!
1654927;1494536027;asciilifeform;tbh i'm not especially hot an' bothered about a license-built-from-usa mips.
1654928;1494536036;asciilifeform;but gotta try and see, at least , what it would say.
1654929;1494536082;asciilifeform;'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' etc.
1654930;1494536088;mircea_popescu;for maximal lulz, they rent the email spam services from same company that does payments for the you know, legitimate & fo realz http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380
1654931;1494536088;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
1654932;1494536099;asciilifeform;lol!!
1654933;1494536155;mircea_popescu;see alf, that's the problem with fuckgoats, that nsa doesn't have an email spam service. THIS GOES AGAINST PRINCIPLES!
1654934;1494536163;asciilifeform;evidently!!111
1654935;1494536190;mircea_popescu;shoulda asked people to sign an nda!!1
1654936;1494536197;mircea_popescu;fucktards.
1654937;1494536216;asciilifeform;betcha it's part of the 'license' deal, even.
1654938;1494536221;asciilifeform;propagates virally.
1654939;1494536245;asciilifeform;( and same types of idiots had the nerve to whine about 'viral' gpl )
1654940;1494537163;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ixchs/?raw=true << in other noose !! << You are making game consoles and you do not require them to sign an NDA
1654941;1494537897;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653984 << so i got a copy, mine had a mechanical looking gash in the spine, had to send it for replacement. otherwise it's not horrible. it's a cheap thermal binding, but the paper is crisp, and the source is TeX so it looks reasonable.
1654942;1494537897;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 11:37 shinohai: Nifty phf, I kinda want a copy myself now.
1654943;1494538097;ben_vulpes;heh
1654944;1494538105;ben_vulpes;briefly thought you were talking about ball-girl.
1654945;1494538644;asciilifeform;lol!!
1654946;1494539178;mircea_popescu;bwahah
1654947;1494539325;shinohai;You never know with me.  I have a girl here I'd love to stuff a ball-gag into as we speak.
1654948;1494539345;shinohai;I suppose, lacking such instruments, a simple rag and some rope will suffice.
1654949;1494539384;mircea_popescu;splurge and spend the 15 to buy a ball gag. it's one of those items, like cased bullet, that can't really be replaced in the kitchen.
1654950;1494539457;shinohai;I shall! Then when someone knocks and asks "Pardon me, do you happen to have a ball-gag handy?" I can reply with an enthusiastic "Yes!"
1654951;1494539552;mircea_popescu;!!key Avarice`
1654952;1494539552;deedbot;Not registered.
1654953;1494540465;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Don't forget the 9 inch linesman pliers in case you have to take into bondage not a pretty girl
1654954;1494540480;shinohai;nb
1654955;1494540524;BingoBoingo;Good one should have grip to pull toe nails and heft to hammer out teeth
1654956;1494540550;BingoBoingo;Klein and Knipex make adequate tools of this sort
1654957;1494540556;shinohai;I use the ball peen for hammering out teeth.
1654958;1494540666;BingoBoingo;too big, might break jaw. Increases janitorial expenditure
1654959;1494540787;shinohai;I know lots of Mexicans that work cheap, no biggie.
1654960;1494541333;pete_dushenski;mod6, asciilifeform : re : 'from whom' patch : it would definitely be a useful tool for mapping network connectivity.
1654961;1494541462;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: first full backyard arugula salad hit my plate yesterday
1654962;1494541493;ben_vulpes;unsurprisingly, the radishes sown in mud away from amended soil taste the best and are the beefiest.
1654963;1494542379;asciilifeform;in other lulz, asciilifeform found out today that gcc 6 (!) exists : https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-6/changes.html
1654964;1494542383;asciilifeform;check out the 'features'
1654965;1494542393;asciilifeform;e.g., 'Support for a number of older systems and recently unmaintained or untested target ports of GCC has been declared obsolete in GCC 6. Unless there is activity to revive them, the next release of GCC will have their sources permanently removed.'
1654966;1494542412;asciilifeform;https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2015-08/msg00101.html << SuperH dropped
1654967;1494542425;asciilifeform;( why ? presumably Because Not Modern Enough )
1654968;1494542449;asciilifeform;plus bucketful of breaking changes in language ( Because We Can ! )
1654969;1494542929;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Nice. That is indeed a part of the root vegetable paradox. I imagine the best beets are grown in potter's clay
1654970;1494542998;ben_vulpes;we have some beets too, but they're in the good dirt
1654971;1494543046;BingoBoingo;Carrots especially are notorious from coming out of manure and other quality organic muck scarred
1654972;1494543092;ben_vulpes;hm
1654973;1494543103;ben_vulpes;carrots look pretty happy so far
1654974;1494543139;ben_vulpes;girl germinated a batch with ~every method
1654975;1494543231;BingoBoingo;Oh my
1654976;1494543374;asciilifeform;'Improved std::locale support for DragonFly and FreeBSD, thanks to John Marino and Andreas Tobler.' didjaknow this was needed.
1654977;1494543483;asciilifeform;'GCC now supports the Intel CPU named Skylake with AVX-512 extensions through -march=skylake-avx512' << all cheer for intel proprietary crapstructions !1111
1654978;1494543549;asciilifeform;'Support for the IBM z13 processor has been added' << just when i thought perhaps zombie was properly dead & buried
1654979;1494543631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gcc is no longer an interesting tool - llvm took over. currently being maintained as "coreboot".
1654980;1494543643;mircea_popescu;expect "project leader" to "identity politics" etc.
1654981;1494543672;asciilifeform;probably happened long ago, near ver 5
1654982;1494543675;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653407 << f1 cars are pulling ~12g in the corners these days, consumer auto is rarely >1g lateral before tires break loose.
1654983;1494543675;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 17:35 asciilifeform: this was konsoomer auto, not 'formula1'
1654984;1494543676;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1654985;1494543677;asciilifeform;( i wasn't tuned in tho )
1654986;1494543716;asciilifeform;i confess i dun have much interest in ever using llvm for anything.
1654987;1494543733;shinohai;insane grip pete_dushenski
1654988;1494543733;asciilifeform;( for 1 thing, no ada in it )
1654989;1494543780;pete_dushenski;shinohai: f1 tires are wider this year! look more like cars of olde (ie 70s)
1654990;1494543872;*;shinohai drives F1 car with alf's thermonooklear device affixed into pentagon .... "ALLAH SNACKBAR!"
1654991;1494543893;pete_dushenski;lol
1654992;1494543934;shinohai;AT least I died knowing I had grip like a virgin vagina filled with alum.
1654993;1494543996;asciilifeform;'Support for the g5 and g6 -march=/-mtune= CPU level switches has been deprecated and will be removed in a future GCC release.' << laugh, cry, ben_vulpes et al
1654994;1494544006;*;pete_dushenski imagines alum-in-v-pipe to be as sharply edged as rain gutters he picked up from orange depot today. winces.
1654995;1494544008;asciilifeform;and didjaevenknow there ~were~ a g6 ?!
1654996;1494544010;asciilifeform;i had nfi
1654997;1494544024;asciilifeform;( can haz ? where ? )
1654998;1494544070;asciilifeform;on plus side, 'Support for the musl C library was added for the AArch64, ARM, MicroBlaze, MIPS, MIPS64, PowerPC, PowerPC64, SH, i386, x32 and x86_64 targets. It can be selected using the new -mmusl option in case musl is not the default libc. GCC defaults to musl libc if it is built with a target triplet matching the *-linux-musl* pattern.'
1654999;1494544077;asciilifeform;perhaps ^ can be backported to 4.x ?!
1655000;1494544089;*;asciilifeform puts on list.
1655001;1494544875;pete_dushenski;i'd like to take this opportunity to introduce 'constantine' (37.59.43.190) as an infrastructure trb node. he will be replacing 'laocoon' (62.113.203.216), who will be henceforth relegated to testing duties. cheers!
1655002;1494544916;pete_dushenski;http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << mod6 are you handling this list ? if so, please to update :)
1655003;1494547114;mod6;sure thing, pete_dushenski
1655004;1494547265;mod6;all set, list is updated.  thanks for the heads up.
1655005;1494547600;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/11/tight-fit-triptych/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Tight fit triptych.
1655006;1494547710;pete_dushenski;mod6: thx mate
1655007;1494547725;pete_dushenski;bbl
1655008;1494548066;asciilifeform;!!key danielpbarron
1655009;1494548067;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9.asc
1655010;1494548255;asciilifeform;!~later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5nIct/?raw=true
1655011;1494548256;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1655012;1494548646;danielpbarron;ty
1655013;1494548815;shinohai;!!rate jurov 1 << http://coinbr.com #trilema
1655014;1494548816;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OV6I5/?raw=true
1655015;1494548881;shinohai;!!v 5325D9B5D94E7753F351A78ED8788C68B2A7AC1F0FE2C01AE4928A0E5EA9E0CF
1655016;1494548881;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of jurov from 3 to 1 << << http://coinbr.com #trilema
1655017;1494549178;asciilifeform;'Contact info@coinbr.com or jurov in #bitcoin-otc or #bitcoin-assets' << needs update jurov ?
1655018;1494549315;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1655019;1494549315;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1655020;1494549943;gabriel_laddel_p;For the bored: http://aero.stanford.edu/gtrpaper/gtr.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdiG6ZPib3c http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/100951/what-was-feynmans-much-better-way-of-presenting-the-electrodynamics-which http://www.feynmanlectures.info/other/Alternate_Way_to_Handle_Electrodynamics.html http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II
1655021;1494549943;gabriel_laddel_p;_15.html
1655022;1494549964;gabriel_laddel_p;Oh and http://worrydream.com/refs/Mead%20-%20American%20Spectator%20Interview.html
1655023;1494549982;gabriel_laddel_p;And: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2011/06/how-the-laser-happened-adventures-of-a-scientist/
1655024;1494549983;asciilifeform;!!key gabriel_laddel_p
1655025;1494549984;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5787B7B432C4D799A52220EC2991FD97FBEB6F3B.asc
1655026;1494550581;mircea_popescu;in other unimportant matters, wtf is with the idler party and that "speak truth to power" meme ?
1655027;1494550621;mircea_popescu;how about "bitch, if you could know truth if it hit you on the head you'd be in power". not fucking evident enough ? how the fuck are the powerless to obtain truth, from their father, the god of the stupid ?
1655028;1494551081;ben_vulpes;power is always undeserved to these people
1655029;1494551084;ben_vulpes;because /they/ don't have it
1655030;1494551119;ben_vulpes;underservedly vested, i might have said.
1655031;1494551319;shinohai;You are responsible for making the internetz < secure! http://archive.is/g4TUk
1655032;1494551511;mircea_popescu;right right
1655033;1494551965;mircea_popescu;shinohai that's pretty cool.
1655034;1494552007;mircea_popescu;i suppose official usg-lese for "tmsr" is "non-nation-state actors" nao.
1655035;1494552291;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E51A9E44E0F0537812A14A66E474CC0A56098F5DCB158685C00663F1BB0C23BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1420...5407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.5 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server475.mivitec.net. DE)
1655036;1494552291;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E51A9E44E0F0537812A14A66E474CC0A56098F5DCB158685C00663F1BB0C23BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...2167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.5 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server475.mivitec.net. DE)
1655037;1494552338;asciilifeform;^ lulzily, phuctor was wedged may 5 - may 10 on account of having been rebooted by unknown wreckers such that it left the werker lock file on.
1655038;1494552340;asciilifeform;( fixed )
1655039;1494552365;shinohai;See http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/ for further details! >.>
1655040;1494552533;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655022 << i can only picture the frustration of gabriel_laddel_p -- he read the l0gz and went off to get subj b00k and presumably tried to eat it -- but never afaik learned ordinary classical electromagnetism
1655041;1494552533;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 00:46 gabriel_laddel_p: Oh and http://worrydream.com/refs/Mead%20-%20American%20Spectator%20Interview.html
1655042;1494552727;mircea_popescu;nono you don't understand, network segments and engineers!
1655043;1494552739;asciilifeform;lolwut
1655044;1494554472;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBA33DDE71C4686CB4D5B405F33E55044DF298308AE6BD144B522B8B0DEE031E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1747...5893 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.49.195.130 (ssh-rsa key from 193.49.195.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mren3.univ-littoral.fr. FR 59 O)
1655045;1494554472;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBA33DDE71C4686CB4D5B405F33E55044DF298308AE6BD144B522B8B0DEE031E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1657...8279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.49.195.130 (ssh-rsa key from 193.49.195.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mren3.univ-littoral.fr. FR 59 O)
1655046;1494556301;mod6;i
1655047;1494556318;mod6;'ll have 3 network segments, a large fry, and a silly shake to go plz
1655048;1494557285;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/gUi5K
1655049;1494557320;asciilifeform;'South Korean officials called the claim “groundless.” The CIA declined to comment, as is customary.'
1655050;1494557360;asciilifeform;and guess what else is customary : 0 mentions of south kr's half century history of repeatedly attempting exactly subj
1655051;1494557434;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1655052;1494557441;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1814.04, vol: 14708.40234923 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1782.0, vol: 7889.80741 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1837.8, vol: 23657.26368103 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1603.547056, vol: 18813.64590000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1814.301, vol: 6712.07875548 | Volume-weighted last average: 1763.20383675
1655053;1494557457;BingoBoingo;OMG CRASHING!!!
1655054;1494557549;BingoBoingo;Wait, no.
1655055;1494557567;BingoBoingo;Just BTCChina reporting again
1655056;1494557833;BingoBoingo;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Just curious, but why did you suppose alf combing back through logs for 100 USD would be good use of engineer time? Collating information from logs is secretarial rather than engineering work.
1655057;1494557833;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1655058;1494558285;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unless i misunderstood -- it is even funnier, he was asking for an entire encyclopaedia to be written
1655059;1494558296;asciilifeform;not merely logz links.
1655060;1494558331;asciilifeform;i.e. months, perhaps years, of sweat
1655061;1494558338;asciilifeform;( and for what ! )
1655062;1494558340;BingoBoingo;Still, just the nature of the work and party it was directed too.
1655063;1494558357;*;BingoBoingo would rather read alf's 700 page Chronicle of Squirrel Wars
1655064;1494558362;asciilifeform;this type of thing is called 'day job', and it so happens that i already have one
1655065;1494558379;asciilifeform;hence the 'not enough zeros' answrr.
1655066;1494558576;BingoBoingo;Anyways, have the bushy tailed rebels been defeated yet?
1655067;1494558716;asciilifeform;afaik
1655068;1494558774;asciilifeform;they ended up in the outdoor traps
1655069;1494558815;asciilifeform;( anticlimactic: taken alive by the hired catcher, i have nfi what he wants with them )
1655070;1494558877;BingoBoingo;Ah
1655071;1494558918;BingoBoingo;Probably the squirrels were trained stooges. Catcher having taken protection money may move them to different neighborhood and repeat on another sucker.
1655072;1494558947;asciilifeform;lol, very well trained, they ate a good chunk of roof
1655073;1494558954;asciilifeform;will be rebuilt next month
1655074;1494559209;BingoBoingo;Do ther scammers care how -EV their scam is for other parties?
1655075;1494559233;asciilifeform;btw recall uncle al's roach repellent
1655076;1494559264;asciilifeform;( moved'em, alive and well, to the ~next~ shop or flat on street ! )
1655077;1494559340;BingoBoingo;This tends to happen
1655078;1494559553;BingoBoingo;Do you have a link for that one?
1655079;1494559620;asciilifeform;possibly. or not, given demise of google usenet archive. might have to pull it off optical disk
1655080;1494559650;asciilifeform;there was even a u.s. patent..
1655081;1494559686;asciilifeform;( iirc it was the only one he had that he owned in person )
1655082;1494559718;BingoBoingo;AHA http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2003-10/1067358989.Ch.r.html
1655083;1494559736;BingoBoingo;"A crushed cockroach leaks micrograms of linoleic acid. Linoleic acid is an essential nutrient in humans (you need to eat about 3 grams/day) and is essentially odorless. If you are a cockroach it is an overwhelmingly powerful chemical signal - a pheromone - to RUN AWAY! It makes evolutionary sense, doesn't it? Anything that stomps on cockroaches should be avoided if you are a cockroach. "
1655084;1494559739;asciilifeform;aha, it
1655085;1494562722;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://startupgraveyard.io
1655086;1494562977;ben_vulpes;because fucked company was never a thing
1655087;1494562997;asciilifeform;hey, it Unhappened!!
1655088;1494563049;ben_vulpes;complete with hamburger menu and opacity overlay
1655089;1494563051;ben_vulpes;gag me with a fork
1655090;1494563168;ben_vulpes;classic hn -> bitcoin-assets -> trilema conveyor belt
1655091;1494563181;ben_vulpes;1 hn comment even mentions fucked company
1655092;1494563206;asciilifeform;i srsly have nfi where punkman gets the noose, for all i know he writes himself.
1655093;1494563208;ben_vulpes;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14319042 << cannot tell if troll but 4/10 notbad.tiff if so
1655094;1494564309;BingoBoingo;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/fishies.htm
1655095;1494567349;danielpbarron;i found a karaoke venue that lets me sing "offensive" songs. at some point after i finished singing one of my songs, a girl calls for my attention using my name. i don't recall what i said, but her reply was to say that i was "rude" to her. i lose interest and walk away. later on i'm outside having a smoke and she confronts me again. says she "has a bone to pick" with me about something she heard i had said to one of her male frien
1655096;1494567668;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/fake-news-still-fixated-on-comey-firing-us-lamestream-media-burning-last-vestiges-of-credibility-in-confusing-c-words/ << Qntra - Fake News Still Fixated On Comey Firing: US Lamestream Media Burning Last Vestiges Of Credibility In Confusing C-Words
1655097;1494567922;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Actual girl or Female2Mayo transperson?
1655098;1494567964;danielpbarron;there were lots of questionables there, but this particular one seemed to be strictly girl
1655099;1494567993;danielpbarron;her friend was kinda cute, asked me to sing a duet with her
1655100;1494568163;BingoBoingo;Is that halal or haram?
1655101;1494568195;danielpbarron;i obliged, even though the song was terrible and i had never done it before
1655102;1494568220;BingoBoingo;Ah
1655103;1494568222;danielpbarron;i did a better job of it than she did though
1655104;1494568246;BingoBoingo;That's too be expected. Competence is a very lordly attribute
1655105;1494570916;mircea_popescu;ahh, hanbot found a great fucking place. cabaret-restaurant.
1655106;1494570921;mircea_popescu;owner is this total hottie, too.
1655107;1494571112;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655048 << i'm sorry, "Delayed action radioactive magicgas" ?
1655108;1494571112;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 02:48 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/gUi5K
1655109;1494571128;mircea_popescu;the best korea enjoys a tenuous grasp of physics.
1655110;1494571423;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655086 << yeah, ephemeral nature of us culture.
1655111;1494571423;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 04:22 ben_vulpes: because fucked company was never a thing
1655112;1494571559;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655101 << sounds like run of the mill attention whoring.
1655113;1494571559;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 05:49 danielpbarron: i obliged, even though the song was terrible and i had never done it before
1655114;1494575661;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/piinea-si-pizda/ << Trilema - Piinea si pizda
1655115;1494588311;shinohai;http://archive.is/Jb2jR   <<< /me is sorry for your loss
1655116;1494593371;phf`;“First-Ever LSD Microdosing Study Will Pit the Human Brain Against AI (vice.com)”
1655117;1494593393;phf`;“Ask HN: How can a front-end developer dive into machine learning?”
1655118;1494593460;phf`;“Alan Kay at Startup School [video] (startupschool.org)”
1655119;1494593469;phf`;“Self-Compassion Works Better Than Self-Esteem (theatlantic.com)”
1655120;1494594953;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655115 << lol!! yet another gang of 'responsible!111' scum , withholding leaked docs and fellating nsa
1655121;1494594953;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 11:25 shinohai: http://archive.is/Jb2jR   <<< /me is sorry for your loss
1655122;1494595464;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655107 << Rn, the most common unstable gas, kills quite slowly. the comicsl phrasing is really artifact of kr lang
1655123;1494595464;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 06:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655048 << i'm sorry, "Delayed action radioactive magicgas" ?
1655124;1494595473;asciilifeform;*comical
1655125;1494595566;asciilifeform;it'd be a pretty spiffy murder weapon, if you think about it.  alpha emitter, doesn't show on any commonplace geiger. detectors exist,  but typically folx put'em in cellars, where natural radon comes from earth
1655126;1494595584;asciilifeform;and never in, say, a boat. plane.
1655127;1494595634;asciilifeform;or say fella 'gotta have problems' and needs a tooth pulled. so he gets a bit of Rn in his laughing gas...
1655128;1494595655;asciilifeform;then dies of hugochavez a year or so later.
1655129;1494595846;asciilifeform;decays to... polonium
1655130;1494595971;asciilifeform;then, couple hours and chain of short-lived liquishit later -- stable Pb.
1655131;1494598214;mod6;mornin'
1655132;1494598261;mircea_popescu;heya mod6
1655133;1494598439;shinohai;Buenas dias Mr. P
1655134;1494598523;mircea_popescu;how hoes ?
1655135;1494598585;shinohai;Hoes are good lol
1655136;1494598912;mircea_popescu;hehe
1655137;1494599787;phf`;on mac when you search for UTC in timezones, the system helpfully offers "UTC - United Kingdom" and sets timezone to GMT. little know fact: great britain switches from GMT to BST, British Summer Time during summer months. welcome to computers!
1655138;1494599854;mod6;Here are the test results on third run of FG #4: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.ent_run3.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.dieharder_run3.txt
1655139;1494599865;mod6;onto #5 nao
1655140;1494599908;asciilifeform;neato mod6
1655141;1494599942;mircea_popescu;phf` not that little known, spent half hour trying to syncronize watches with uk resident engineers coupla weeks back
1655142;1494600114;phf`;i'm mostly just find it fascinating how everything is broken in subtle ways
1655143;1494600147;mircea_popescu;lemme tell you a story.
1655144;1494600201;mircea_popescu;so, girl discovered this very promising place. in charge of it, this stunning beauty of an actress/real estate agent. you understand me ? this girl did understand you can't make it as an actress without money, but she didn't go into prostitution, or waitressing, like all others. she got herself real estate firm.
1655145;1494600237;mircea_popescu;she got a nice place on the cheap no doubt -- hey, what else is the point of being in real estate ? -- and spent a year furnishing it into a concept restaurant.
1655146;1494600267;mircea_popescu;she has a kitchen, an art exhibition where a young painter who was not even untalented! was working on his (really, not bad) stuff, a wine whatever, everything.
1655147;1494600304;mircea_popescu;girl does not speak english, did not steal the idea. she came up with it on her own. hired actual actresses for waitstaff, they throw fits and rant around, to the unspeakable confusion of (all other) patrons.
1655148;1494600322;mircea_popescu;pretty sweet set-up, wouldn't you say ?
1655149;1494600366;phf`;it's nifty, i think i've seen variations on the idea, but this sounds like a solid execution
1655150;1494600394;mircea_popescu;ok. now, wanna guess the subtle ways or shall i just say ?
1655151;1494600430;mod6;are the guests somehow integrated into some sort of daily script?
1655152;1494600463;mircea_popescu;mod6 all improv, it's the 2010s after all.
1655153;1494600467;mod6;ahh.
1655154;1494600470;mod6;cool
1655155;1494600479;mircea_popescu;but i belittled and insulted the mousy brunette playing the ocd type, we had a lot of fun.
1655156;1494600529;phf`;i'm not sure how you can subtly fuck up that one
1655157;1494600533;mircea_popescu;ha!
1655158;1494600558;mircea_popescu;1. the restaurant was unvented. if you went on the loft above of it, you could thouroughly smell it. so would your clothes if you spent enough there -- such as, time for a meal.
1655159;1494600608;mircea_popescu;utterly noob mistake. i've owned restaurants enough to know you build the whole fucking kitchen around the vent, first you put that in then you places the stoves. how's she to know and how's she to guess ?
1655160;1494600639;mircea_popescu;2. the new-age-y dood handling the wine was offewring wine icecreams. fabulous, really. all vegan, he informed us insistently -- coconut base. they really did taste good.
1655161;1494600643;mircea_popescu;what did he do ?
1655162;1494600728;phf`;opened a bottle, used it a little bit, corked it again, to use again later?
1655163;1494600741;mircea_popescu;lol. no see, he's not fucking braindamaged. he's just excited and means well.
1655164;1494600761;mircea_popescu;he put salt in. chunks, not flakes or anything. i fished out half dozen pea sized rocks of salt.
1655165;1494600776;phf`;ugh, i'm not sure which one's worse
1655166;1494600788;mircea_popescu;i pointed out to him he's not supposed to do that, salt is terrible for your health. he explained it's hymalayan rock salt, has no fluoride, is all good for health.
1655167;1494600798;phf`;ahaha
1655168;1494600801;mircea_popescu;i asked him why he put it in though, he explained "to neutralize the bla bla bla".
1655169;1494600803;mircea_popescu;see ?
1655170;1494600815;mircea_popescu;this is my point, wrapped up : it's not even conspiraci , not in the general sense.
1655171;1494600830;mircea_popescu;it's the well meaning ignorance that conspires to fuck people's shit up.
1655172;1494600854;mircea_popescu;yet another aspect of that endless "your own head is your first and only enemy".
1655173;1494600905;mircea_popescu;subtle flaws, because nobody has any books and the masters all went to boring island and are sitting there fishing all day or i dunno wtf.
1655174;1494600994;phf`;there's too many places to name that fuck up the whole vent thing. there's a small cafe next to my apartment that i can't go to because they don't have exhaust. but i think it's a general "oh we need to cook? i'm going to replicate my mom's kitchen". at least they now all get proper stoves, probably after watching cooking shows where fire goes "woosh" when it's cooking
1655175;1494601014;mircea_popescu;heh
1655176;1494601031;mircea_popescu;moreover, they get proper stoves because they can't get shitty stoves anywhere.
1655177;1494601040;mircea_popescu;that's where the whole "upgrade or die" software nonsense comes from/
1655178;1494601062;mircea_popescu;if the eu hadn't made it illegal, people'd still drive 1950 cars around the eu. like you know, smog filled paris. what, his car did the smog ?
1655179;1494601091;mircea_popescu;but since bad venting you needn't get anywhere specifically, they still have it.
1655180;1494601174;*;diana_coman knows people who LIKE the smell/to smell of food; I'm quite sure they know also what hunger means - firsthand as it were, even if in their past rather than present
1655181;1494601181;mircea_popescu;if supermarkets offered the old, hand cranked washing machine, there'd be households with the handcranked washing machine. and blogs dedicated to how it's better. and so forth.
1655182;1494601220;mircea_popescu;diana_coman let's distingush "smell of food" as in ie mp cooks for three and "smell of kitchen", as in, restaurant. it's not the smell of any specific food just like the sewer is not the smell of any specific ass. yes some people like some asses, but that's as far as it goes.
1655183;1494601247;phf`;diana_coman: i think smell of food is different in home kitchen vs industrial kitchen like at a restuarant
1655184;1494601258;mircea_popescu;right.
1655185;1494601322;phf`;oils and other particles are carried by constant steam, accumulate on surfaces, start catching dust and dirt particles, etc. it's straight up unhygienic.
1655186;1494601341;diana_coman;makes some sense; to me though "smell of food" is fine as long as it's more like flavour of thing on the plate, NOT smell from the kitchen ; those people like that smell from the kitchen; admittedly it's still not industrial so yeah, there is something there
1655187;1494601347;mircea_popescu;yeah. basically it's large scale fat distillation. might as well sit atop a refinery tower.
1655188;1494601415;mircea_popescu;phf` is there a ru equiv of the "ciorba de spalatoare" ro concept ? dishcloth borscht ?
1655189;1494601501;phf`;ahaha, that's a great metaphor. i think somebody, possibly Gogol had some similarly visceral imagery, but i don't remember it as a phrase
1655190;1494601575;mircea_popescu;eyah, somehow teh socialist masquerading as co-op-ist isn't quite prepared for a) his nonsense to be readily identified, "rock soup, rly?" and b) the obvious "just make sure it's not dishcloth borscht" ready counter.
1655191;1494601609;mircea_popescu;i guess somehow the obvious got unhappened in all languages because why would they wanna think of such things!
1655192;1494601657;asciilifeform;hey, americans rediscovered it : dishwasher ( i shit thee not ) fish.
1655193;1494601667;mircea_popescu;koi ?
1655194;1494601680;asciilifeform;no, as method of preparation
1655195;1494601728;mircea_popescu;(i have azn friend who likes trying to bother me. feigned surprise at how we here in the decadent west let the toilet water go to waste, when we could raise a koi in there. jsut think alf! millions of toilets! tons of carp!)
1655196;1494601751;mircea_popescu;significantly helped by the fact that carp is, in romanian, crap. literally. you can buy "icre de crap" ie crap roe.
1655197;1494601773;shinohai;That sounds disgusting.
1655198;1494601776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait, wut ?!
1655199;1494601796;mircea_popescu;shinohai when you realise that's what it does whether in the toilet or not, you will... shit bricks and pellets of fishfood.
1655200;1494601812;asciilifeform;!~google dishwasher fish
1655201;1494601813;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Can You Really Cook Salmon in a Dishwasher ? | Kitchn: <http://www.thekitchn.com/can-you-really-cook-salmon-in-a-dishwasher-putting-tips-to-the-test-in-the-kitchn-218048>; 5 Foods You Can Cook in Your Dishwasher ... if You Dare | HuffPost: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-stir/dishwasher-cooking_b_3605859.html>; Dishwasher Salmon with a Piquant Dill Sauce Recipe | Bob Blumer ...: (1 more message)
1655202;1494601819;mircea_popescu;oh for fucks sake
1655203;1494601822;phf`;come to think of it the whole exhaust in the kitchen applies to other cases where exhaust is mandatory: i like the small of soldering rosin or the smell of freshly sawed wood, but i wouldn't want to spend much time in a workshop that doesn't have an exhaust. and you have similar failure mode: "come all to work on projects!" hackerspaces notoriously don't have exhaust
1655204;1494601834;mircea_popescu;yep!
1655205;1494601868;mircea_popescu;dude, who the fuck cooks salmon in the first place.
1655206;1494601891;asciilifeform;phf`: laser cutter is absolute champ in this regard. 'smells like fireplace, like home!' and then somebody puts in plastic sheet...
1655207;1494601919;mircea_popescu;hah
1655208;1494601928;mircea_popescu;vinyl hopefully
1655209;1494601952;asciilifeform;gasenwagen, hcn
1655210;1494601977;asciilifeform;and goodbye to the - 500 $ - optics
1655211;1494602098;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655115 << for the record there's ~nothing there. "oh, project rife with the kind of complex math". save me rwanda, they're gonna dekulakize math now.
1655212;1494602098;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 11:25 shinohai: http://archive.is/Jb2jR   <<< /me is sorry for your loss
1655213;1494602158;mircea_popescu;While the documents describes an incredibly powerful code-breaking project, according to what hacker and computer researcher Andrew "Bunnie" Huang told The Intercept, if you're using the latest encryption, you don't have anything to worry about. "Even if [WindsorGreen] gave a 100x advantage in cracking strength, it's a pittance compared to the additional strength conferred by going from say, 1024-bit RSA to 4096-bit RSA or go
1655214;1494602159;mircea_popescu;ing from SHA-1 to SHA-256."At least when it comes to this venture. Who knows what's currently being developed?
1655215;1494602164;mircea_popescu;who even writes this obscurantist claptrap ?
1655216;1494602183;asciilifeform;same folx who find nsa dox and hide'em
1655217;1494602187;mircea_popescu;eh get out.
1655218;1494602219;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655122 << so what, they're going to hide a gassed wine cellar in the guy's immediate proximity for 6 months ?
1655219;1494602219;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 13:24 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655107 << Rn, the most common unstable gas, kills quite slowly. the comicsl phrasing is really artifact of kr lang
1655220;1494602233;asciilifeform;Rn has no smell
1655221;1494602237;mircea_popescu;so ?
1655222;1494602286;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655128 << eh get out, he'd have to have 5k tooth pulled.
1655223;1494602286;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 13:27 asciilifeform: then dies of hugochavez a year or so later.
1655224;1494602300;asciilifeform;pit in his air conditioning etc
1655225;1494602344;mircea_popescu;yes, but you will need grams not micrograms of the stuff.
1655226;1494602351;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect you are thinking of ~natural~ Rn concentration
1655227;1494602374;mircea_popescu;pure pressurized rn container is a handling hazard.
1655228;1494602381;asciilifeform;which is, yes, a 'decades' death
1655229;1494602404;asciilifeform;hey, phosgen is also 'handling hazard'
1655230;1494602410;asciilifeform;so wat.
1655231;1494602425;mircea_popescu;yes well i don't see that many phosgene to ac unit cia goons out there combing the streets.
1655232;1494602448;asciilifeform;see many other kinds ?
1655233;1494602453;mircea_popescu;you put it on the dood's ac, for all you know you cure his coloitis and little girl next door delivers twin puppies.
1655234;1494602504;asciilifeform;year ain't 1940, we know what alpha in lung does.
1655235;1494602521;mircea_popescu;we know what it might do.
1655236;1494602531;mircea_popescu;some people -- immune. most people -- lucky.
1655237;1494602555;asciilifeform;nobody immune, lol. no more than to bullet.
1655238;1494602626;mircea_popescu;even to that, there's the occasional mobster walking away from gunfight with dozen holes in hide.
1655239;1494602652;mircea_popescu;o hey check it out, angelo musitano bit it last week.
1655240;1494602656;asciilifeform;try1x10^12 little holes.
1655241;1494602665;asciilifeform;in dna.
1655242;1494609407;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/las-moiras/ << Trilema - Las Moiras
1655243;1494614276;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655211 << incidentally there is no particular reason why that particular 'acre of cray' couldn't be the nsa mining farm.
1655244;1494614276;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 15:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655115 << for the record there's ~nothing there. "oh, project rife with the kind of complex math". save me rwanda, they're gonna dekulakize math now.
1655245;1494614299;mircea_popescu;sure.
1655246;1494614454;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/dHG0g >> '56MB... dram per asic' << seems like they hedged, 'what if litecoin wins', lol
1655247;1494614501;asciilifeform;( leaked slide circa 2014 )
1655248;1494614544;mircea_popescu;eh, tjwatson.
1655249;1494614798;mircea_popescu;wtf is that "us citizens only" bs anyway.
1655250;1494614842;asciilifeform;ad hoc classification marking ( private corp in usa does not use official ones when not working in Official compartment )
1655251;1494614851;asciilifeform;analogous to 'official use only' usg marking.
1655252;1494614852;mircea_popescu;~equivalent to tumblr ho scribbling "for hot males only" on her snatch pix. rly ?
1655253;1494614884;asciilifeform;all it means is that leak is in breach of nda, but not seekrits act (or whatever they called it)
1655254;1494614923;asciilifeform;and that (theoretically) any middle manager who hooks up indian slave to $project, is to be sacked
1655255;1494614935;mircea_popescu;what, they give usians a nda to sign at birth, along with all the ssn papers and whatnot ?
1655256;1494614942;asciilifeform;ibm employees, presumably
1655257;1494614962;asciilifeform;thing was purportedly an internal doc.
1655258;1494614968;mircea_popescu;lmao, wait, wait, they dun want any actually productive zeks touching it ?
1655259;1494614980;mircea_popescu;wtf, the "this will never be finished" designation ?
1655260;1494614983;asciilifeform;aryans only!!
1655261;1494615028;asciilifeform;fwiw, unlike 20yrs ago, ~everyone who slaves in these corps is citizen, they made it very easy to get
1655262;1494615041;mircea_popescu;afaik
1655263;1494615062;mircea_popescu;course, everyone who is citizen has little interest to actually put in any work, can jsut get the freebies and coast.
1655264;1494615067;asciilifeform;~all you need is to hang around in usa for 5y, and not in jail
1655265;1494615082;mircea_popescu;~same as argentina.
1655266;1494615114;asciilifeform;( in contrast with, e.g., jp, or ch, where you gotta get letters of introduction, endorsement from president, etc. ritual )
1655267;1494615146;asciilifeform;( in usa you can also pay $maxint and get passport same day. but not really applicable to workerbees. )
1655268;1494616059;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, apparently the last foreigner to obtain chinese citizenship was some russian broad in 1964
1655269;1494616169;asciilifeform;see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-19#724294 .
1655270;1494616169;a111;Logged on 2014-06-19 02:30 asciilifeform: chinese 'WoT' (like in other asian nations) is very heavily tilted in direction of blood relation
1655271;1494617768;phf`;got spam that might appeal to both BingoBoingo and danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tYQ0o/?raw=true
1655272;1494618426;mircea_popescu;aand in other lulz : local kid superstore sells slingshots in valupacks.
1655273;1494618445;asciilifeform;lol of what are they made ? sugar ?
1655274;1494618450;asciilifeform;such that kid needs >1
1655275;1494618458;mircea_popescu;pvc, looks like.
1655276;1494618466;mircea_popescu;but kid needs >1 for the obvious reason.
1655277;1494618511;asciilifeform;also whoever heard of kid ~buying~ slingshot
1655278;1494618517;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu ever ~buy~ his ?
1655279;1494618609;mircea_popescu;well there is that.
1655280;1494618643;mircea_popescu;what we did was inflitrate army depot, cut off rubber belts off gas masks, attach to wood Y.
1655281;1494618654;mircea_popescu;epic slingshots, prolly drew 50N
1655282;1494618745;asciilifeform;asciilifeform had rubber from tourniquets ( medical folx in family, had ~infinite supply )
1655283;1494618813;mircea_popescu;aaa
1655284;1494618817;mircea_popescu;nice.
1655285;1494618828;mircea_popescu;anyway, reason i didn't buy is because the commies didn't sell. otherwise -- money, had.
1655286;1494618854;asciilifeform;imho boy oughta make things with own hands, when possible
1655287;1494619082;mircea_popescu;tourniquet'd have prolly been even better. that thick orange-ish tube huh ?
1655288;1494619144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. if you do with own hands whenever possible, how are you to ever meet any girls ?
1655289;1494619161;asciilifeform;'measure in all things' (tm)(r)
1655290;1494619168;asciilifeform;and yes the orange tube.
1655291;1494625241;pete_dushenski;999.995 kb block mined by f2pool at heigh 466100. tight fit.
1655292;1494625260;pete_dushenski;height*
1655293;1494625263;asciilifeform;quite a few of these, pete_dushenski
1655294;1494625337;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: 998 and 999.9, yes.
1655295;1494625593;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in a UN refugee camp near you, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lymp8b5sNM1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1655296;1494625620;asciilifeform;lol in what camp are there white chix.
1655297;1494625629;mircea_popescu;oh right.
1655298;1494628748;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Qqg75/?raw=true
1655299;1494633147;BingoBoingo;phf`: ty
1655300;1494633152;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: ty
1655301;1494635482;mircea_popescu;in other things the world was not ready for, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4oYO13ezHI
1655302;1494635565;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/fiat-ram-trucks-may-smash-their-operators/ << Qntra - Fiat Ram Trucks May Smash Their Operators
1655303;1494635777;phf`;i have a very what's the word straight? romanian coworker. i like to periodically send some of the things i glean through mircea_popescu about romanian this guy's way. just to watch his reaction.
1655304;1494635792;mircea_popescu;lel
1655305;1494635886;mircea_popescu;there is no romanian in there, though. fat guy is a popular gypsy singer, the ~only actual word in his speech would be "carolina" which is only romanian inasmuch "o iubesc pe carolina, e o fata din carpati, are ochii ca si marea si-i frumoasa ca o stea, o carolina lina lina carolina cha cha cha" etc 30 yo kid rhymes.
1655306;1494636106;phf`;apparently something called manele. i was wondering why it sounded vaguely iranian, vaguely turkish
1655307;1494636114;mircea_popescu;~because it is.
1655308;1494636118;mircea_popescu;but, since we're doing romanian gypsies : here's what the equivalent of that us army strategist dude has to say about things and matters : http://earonovich.blogspot.com/ ( http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~eddiea/ )
1655309;1494636150;mircea_popescu;anyone recall the dude ? square jawed dork, committed some amusing points re "interdicting uninterdictable comms" and other "us army ra ra ra!!" lulz.
1655310;1494636301;phf`;i'm going to play this at the office, to confuse both romanians and the iranians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjLSZ-K0kog
1655311;1494636302;asciilifeform;dafuq is that nonsense
1655312;1494636308;asciilifeform;~contentfree
1655313;1494636328;mircea_popescu;this is how the civillians think, alfie.
1655314;1494636345;asciilifeform;think?!
1655315;1494636390;asciilifeform;i can't distinguish subj from shannonizer output
1655316;1494636418;mircea_popescu;phf` tbh, there are two items very popular in mp household. 1 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-unZ6sUEio the other's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ulinu-_FYc
1655317;1494636428;phf`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXO2QtjixaM
1655318;1494636431;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yet he's ~in charge of the idf sikrit projects to maff and stuff.
1655319;1494636481;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: american tradition -- generals who can't count to 7, even moar 'in charge' aha
1655320;1494636496;mircea_popescu;not a general. check out his tau homepage, even has pic.
1655321;1494636505;asciilifeform;1 level below : are found the folx who can count.
1655322;1494636529;mircea_popescu;phf` your evidently good taste ensures you'll make friends fast in bucharest! bamboo awaits you!
1655323;1494636614;asciilifeform;!#s chowdhry
1655324;1494636615;a111;14 results for "chowdhry", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chowdhry
1655325;1494636627;asciilifeform;^ the prototype for these
1655326;1494636651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, the dude's not even stupid. but this notion that not being stupid suffices to think is not unlike the notion that... well... everything else.
1655327;1494636707;phf`;i'm not even sure my office is ready for this. i kind of want to open a hookah bar with really bad rail drinks and bottle service just so that i can play that stuff on TVs
1655328;1494636748;mircea_popescu;eh, why'd you open something in shittyland. come to cr, open here.
1655329;1494636748;phf`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQGNxK7FUE
1655330;1494636803;mircea_popescu;o hey check it out, "rakata" actually caught lexical value somehow.
1655331;1494637061;phf`;it's like a mixture of all the oh-i-remember-this-was-popular chav styles from across the world
1655332;1494637075;phf`;*genres
1655333;1494637106;mircea_popescu;the reason being that there's a whole troop of intellectuals who missed their web development calling and instead of sitting on compuer all day checking out what's new in rust they just collate crap from across the youtube.
1655334;1494637121;mircea_popescu;the piine si pizda crew.
1655335;1494637157;mircea_popescu;very much 90s/2000s item though. the following generation found the normal path to ibm alcatel oracle etc.
1655336;1494637338;mircea_popescu;phf` fwiw styles is actually right. arguaby chavery is a genre.
1655337;1494637552;mircea_popescu;ou sont les mantas d'antan!
1655338;1494638827;phf`;ahaha, computer has been taken over, girl learned a new dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5VqQjVExTU
1655339;1494638866;mircea_popescu;lmao
1655340;1494638880;mircea_popescu;what is, goat flapper ?
1655341;1494638934;mircea_popescu;the lyrics include gems such as "so the whole world sees you're the most unique" &c
1655342;1494638952;mircea_popescu;uniquated, i guess. what he says dun actually exist.
1655343;1494638985;mircea_popescu;there's also something about 1k hp producing a lot of pleasure or somesuch.
1655344;1494639015;mircea_popescu;3/4 mw, imagine the old fart.
1655345;1494639543;ben_vulpes;back a few branches, on the topic of dudes who would rather be in jail: http://katu.com/news/local/police-man-found-masturbating-vigorously-says-he-did-it-because-he-hates-portland
1655346;1494639693;ben_vulpes;relatitties: http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2016/03/17/elderly-inmates-burden-state-prisons
1655347;1494639746;ben_vulpes;god bless mandatory minimums. incarcerate 'em all and let dementia sort 'em out.
1655348;1494639839;mircea_popescu;heh
1655349;1494639920;mircea_popescu;prisons have this very interesting fermentive effect for democracies. basically, it's easy enough to pretend like "our democracy" while the bread's still flowing ; once that stops, as it always does -- suddenly it's impossible for the "our democracy" pretense to insulate itself from the authoritatian restructuring the prison drives into society.
1655350;1494639958;mircea_popescu;maintaining "our democracy" compatible prisons is too expensive ; not maitaining them produces the sops problem, which is a surer "democracy" solvent than austrian painters named adolf.
1655351;1494640019;mircea_popescu;and yes, "democracy" is in quotes because it has no substance, can at most ever be a varnish and no more.
1655352;1494641444;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the baths, https://68.media.tumblr.com/4a437b867b57301a545f83f9bba377fc/tumblr_n5ewhvgrop1qbszyeo1_500.gif
1655353;1494643100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i won't be surprised if the prisoners become 'pioneering volunteers' for 'assisted suicide'
1655354;1494643197;asciilifeform;though so far even this obvious pill is ,in typical usg style, being done in reverse -- srsly, they banned smoking in prison!
1655355;1494643311;asciilifeform;( iirc one d00d even sued, declaring that this ban amounted to an extrajudicial prolongation of his sentence. but unsurprisingly 0 result )
1655356;1494644634;mircea_popescu;heh
1655357;1494645660;asciilifeform;in other tbtf : https://archive.is/mQ4Uq
1655358;1494645675;asciilifeform;'The Japanese government is considering providing state-backed aid to Toshiba’s memory business, amounting to near partial nationalisation, to prevent it falling into Chinese or South Korean hands...'
1655359;1494647591;mircea_popescu;heh
1655360;1494647623;*;mircea_popescu gets a "heh" card
1655361;1494647924;*;asciilifeform slowly ironing the ugly out of 'P' stack machine
1655362;1494649283;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and yes, "democracy" is in quotes because it has no substance, can at most ever be a varnish and no more. << Nah, varnish does have some substance. More like Xylene
1655363;1494682796;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in soviet prison, https://68.media.tumblr.com/cc9e312b8967c99c3ab3ecfe00cb81b3/tumblr_nkhaxd0ona1u5ddqjo2_500.gif
1655364;1494683882;shinohai;A good morning golden shower
1655365;1494684071;mircea_popescu;hygiene first and foremost!
1655366;1494684442;asciilifeform;lol, spurs?!
1655367;1494684516;shinohai; Cavalry unit!
1655368;1494684627;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/IYyth << last snapshot before banned
1655369;1494685024;asciilifeform;in even other lulz, recall when nsa published ( no one knew why, nobody sane would use ) two stream ciphers, couplea yrs ago. well : https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/382
1655370;1494685792;mircea_popescu;usg.nsa business is not the sane.
1655371;1494685902;asciilifeform;the simon and speck thing was egregiously funny because they were published 'for lulz', 'maybe someone will pick up this toy', rather than mandated somewhere
1655372;1494685975;asciilifeform;( it was a thing hat had never happened, prior or since )
1655373;1494685981;asciilifeform;*that had
1655374;1494686218;mircea_popescu;ithought dsa started life this way.
1655375;1494686419;mircea_popescu;by the time i'm typing . )).). you know the current article's gonna be involved
1655376;1494686559;asciilifeform;dsa was a decree thing, 'standard', not a 'for lulz'
1655377;1494686765;mircea_popescu;only after some uptake no ?
1655378;1494686844;asciilifeform;crippled elgamal, patented by usg.
1655379;1494689079;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-gypo-singer-the-whorish-language-and-the-remains-of-their-encounter/ << Trilema - The gypo singer, the whorish language, and the remains of their encounter.
1655380;1494694902;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PrfuI/?raw=true
1655381;1494694902;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1655382;1494695692;asciilifeform;elsewhere, http://trilema.com/2017/the-gypo-singer-the-whorish-language-and-the-remains-of-their-encounter/#comment-122027 .
1655383;1494695781;asciilifeform;yet elsewhere, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_tls4FXYAAztc6.jpg << when will microshit be charged, and gates - executed ?
1655384;1494697323;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1655385;1494697329;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1725.78, vol: 15674.17228575 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1697.499, vol: 10221.1049 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1775.7, vol: 22993.33403971 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1534.634451, vol: 13608.20470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1734.0, vol: 8062.51648285 | Volume-weighted last average: 1702.025386
1655386;1494697392;BingoBoingo;^ If this is what "OMG CRASHING" has become...
1655387;1494697412;mircea_popescu;once the soviets.
1655388;1494697453;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the damage ?
1655389;1494697466;asciilifeform;which
1655390;1494697575;mircea_popescu;hm.
1655391;1494697808;Framedragger;http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2017/05/rejection-letter.html
1655392;1494697820;Framedragger;^ relevant (yes i know stross is not really liked here, but this was ~ok)
1655393;1494697916;asciilifeform;a good laugh
1655394;1494703424;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/minte-ma-frumos/ << Trilema - Minte-ma frumos
1655395;1494705297;asciilifeform;in other accidentally-found-bits-of-90s-style-not-wholly-liquishit-www , http://jimshomeplanet.com/lensglue.html
1655396;1494705321;asciilifeform;( http://jimshomeplanet.com << whole thing pretty interesting. )
1655397;1494705370;asciilifeform;found it while looking for transmission spectrum of 'norland-61', of which asciilifeform was about to uncork a small vial.
1655398;1494706755;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, got the shirts! ty :D
1655399;1494709141;asciilifeform;congrats danielpbarron !
1655400;1494712139;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'FedEx experienced interference with some of our systems which caused disruptions to the FedEx Express Memphis Hub sort operations. We immediately implemented contingency plans to minimize the impact to our customers. We regret any inconvenience this has caused.'
1655401;1494712174;asciilifeform;aahahahaha,
1655402;1494712177;asciilifeform;'WASHINGTON FedEx said on Friday it was experiencing issues with some of its Microsoft Corp Windows systems in relation to a global cyber attack that had disrupted hospitals in England and infected computers in dozens of other countries around the world. "Like many other companies, FedEx is experiencing interference with some of our Windows-based systems caused by malware," a spokeswoman said in a statement. "We are implementing reme
1655403;1494712177;asciilifeform;diation steps as quickly as possible."'
1655404;1494712240;asciilifeform;Run Moar Winblowz.
1655405;1494712940;asciilifeform;and holyfuq, the norland thing took almost hour of uv to cure, vs the advertised 10sec
1655406;1494712966;asciilifeform;i suspect it is because lamp -- was weak ( i used PROM zeroizer with the tray ripped out )
1655407;1494713082;BingoBoingo;lol
1655408;1494713127;asciilifeform;supposedly also cures in 10min of sunlight
1655409;1494713135;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform has not seem sunlight in ~week, rain season
1655410;1494713803;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-news, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-20#450012 >>>> https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=5750 << not even mega-expensive
1655411;1494713803;a111;Logged on 2014-01-20 05:24 asciilifeform: indium tin oxide is conductive. and transparent.
1655412;1494714673;mircea_popescu;lol poor danielpbarron was waiting for shirts for like a year
1655413;1494714762;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform definitely NOT you know, "we're thropwinfg windows in the dumpster"
1655414;1494714801;mircea_popescu;plenty of "oh, everyone ELSE affected". now tell me fedex is a ... private company, not a usg agency. because that's totally how private companies communicate, and absolutely not how the soviet agencies speak.
1655415;1494714879;asciilifeform;i dunno that there are private-companies in usa above cafe size
1655416;1494714930;mircea_popescu;obama pretty much nationalized the economy.
1655417;1494714941;mircea_popescu;and nobody's talking about it outside the republic, either.
1655418;1494714959;mircea_popescu;then again, the notion anyone is actually talking about anything outside the republic is a little luzy, in the vein of talking sheep.
1655419;1494715423;asciilifeform;in historic lulz, http://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/bugs/opec/index.htm
1655420;1494715431;asciilifeform;speaking of which, i wonder if they'd like a FUCKGOATS.
1655421;1494716156;mircea_popescu;ask
1655422;1494716212;asciilifeform;incidentally asciilifeform's last ask, just like the N-1 asks before, resulted in 0
1655423;1494716217;asciilifeform;( baikal mips )
1655424;1494716238;asciilifeform;underscores, really, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-13#1655418 .
1655425;1494716238;a111;Logged on 2017-05-13 22:35 mircea_popescu: then again, the notion anyone is actually talking about anything outside the republic is a little luzy, in the vein of talking sheep.
1655426;1494716316;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, at the well behaved girls' finishing school, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0d3fec61b46aa3d62e5faf29f40c7974/tumblr_nlhjcoy4ay1tptpcdo1_500.gif
1655427;1494716334;asciilifeform;lol! shoe-dildo?!
1655428;1494716346;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu own one??
1655429;1494716346;mircea_popescu;it tingles if you rub it.
1655430;1494716359;mircea_popescu;it's called frottage asciilifeform , there's no dildo.
1655431;1494716364;asciilifeform;eh.
1655432;1494716371;asciilifeform;where's the sport in that.
1655433;1494716385;mircea_popescu;how do you get your shine ?
1655434;1494719124;trinque;trb has been running on this apu2 for about 20min, ~100k blox
1655435;1494719133;trinque;msata ssd seems notbad.jpg
1655436;1494719625;asciilifeform;trinque: which make of ssd didja use ?
1655437;1494719674;mircea_popescu;sounds about right for the first 100k
1655438;1494720945;shinohai;Bonus points if she shines your shoes AND your knob at the same time.
1655439;1494721680;trinque;asciilifeform: samsung "850 evo"
1655440;1494721688;*;trinque bbl, gonna have drinks on a patio
1655441;1494721689;trinque;cheers!
1655442;1494725117;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BBD6C5951CEB6C46FD2CA543C69751DC4E02B2EB0E9E3A384FE06E93BCB69F8A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1461...4277 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '152.249.133.58 (ssh-rsa key from 152.249.133.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (152-249-133-58.user.vivozap.com.br. BR)
1655443;1494725117;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BBD6C5951CEB6C46FD2CA543C69751DC4E02B2EB0E9E3A384FE06E93BCB69F8A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...1433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '152.249.133.58 (ssh-rsa key from 152.249.133.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (152-249-133-58.user.vivozap.com.br. BR)
1655444;1494733571;ben_vulpes;lol i just told $girl that she was lazy, she retorted that she "is efficient, and it's a feature"
1655445;1494734050;ben_vulpes;any objections to a vpatch doing away with the truncation of hashes in the trb log?
1655446;1494735172;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that was long ago on my conveyor, and direly needs doing
1655447;1494735191;asciilifeform;tx and block hashes both
1655448;1494735272;ben_vulpes;mk
1655449;1494735393;ben_vulpes;i have the block hash untruncated in the one place i wanted it recently, have not yet ploughed through the rest of them.
1655450;1494735403;ben_vulpes;"recently", months ago.
1655451;1494735520;asciilifeform;in other historic lulz, https://archive.is/cXS43
1655452;1494735530;asciilifeform;>> 'On May 13, 1985, at approximately 5:28 p.m., two, one-pound bombs were dropped onto a house at 6221 Osage Avenue. The bombs were dropped from about 60 feet above the house by a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter. It was recorded, that the 500+ police officers at the scene, fired approximately 10,000 rounds of ammunition in the direction of the house in 90 minutes...'
1655453;1494736138;shinohai;♫ "In West Philadelphia, bombed and razed ...." ♪ ♫
1655454;1494736478;ben_vulpes;shinohai: lel
1655455;1494736500;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/702E5F468CDF045A6FBBA8349FED8F4F932B48041884E4BFF4CC5C53375258BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1365...8207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.8.236.178 (ssh-rsa key from 187.8.236.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (187-8-236-178.customer.tdatabrasil.net.br. BR SP)
1655456;1494736500;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/702E5F468CDF045A6FBBA8349FED8F4F932B48041884E4BFF4CC5C53375258BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1779...6193 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.8.236.178 (ssh-rsa key from 187.8.236.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (187-8-236-178.customer.tdatabrasil.net.br. BR SP)
1655457;1494736570;asciilifeform;in yet-other noose, guess who appears to read the l0gz: https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2017/05/14/technologies-which-did-not-live-up-to-the-hype
1655458;1494736606;asciilifeform;'QC deserves the right to a fair and speedy trial. It’s been 32 years.'
1655459;1494736796;ben_vulpes;he's wrong about gas turbines too
1655460;1494736843;ben_vulpes;just had to wait for people to realize y'hook 'em up to batteries and not the tranny directly of course.
1655461;1494736861;asciilifeform;lol what battery
1655462;1494736877;asciilifeform;the lipo thing you gotta buy again every 3y or so ?
1655463;1494736997;ben_vulpes;lead acid'll do just fine, it's not a store, just a load balancer over time.
1655464;1494737016;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655439 << i have a bunch of these here, they're mighty spiffy
1655465;1494737016;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 00:28 trinque: asciilifeform: samsung "850 evo"
1655466;1494737029;ben_vulpes;double-reads-the-logs with the stolen "fucking love science" slams
1655467;1494737054;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: keep a ups with lead acids? ever try not changing them for 3+y ?
1655468;1494737088;asciilifeform;secondary batteries are shite, 0 exceptions discovered to date, sadly
1655469;1494737096;ben_vulpes;far cheaper than lipos, no?
1655470;1494737113;asciilifeform;nope, surprisingly, per A-h
1655471;1494737119;asciilifeform;cn cornered lead market.
1655472;1494737131;ben_vulpes;fe-ni?
1655473;1494737145;asciilifeform;and TcO is astronomical
1655474;1494737161;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: laughable W-hr/kg
1655475;1494737167;ben_vulpes;my point is don't use the battery as anything other than a temporal load leveler, and bam you have yourself effectively a clutch.
1655476;1494737176;asciilifeform;there are no acceptable batteries !!
1655477;1494737176;ben_vulpes;yes, you replace the clutch plate it is a wear part.
1655478;1494737183;ben_vulpes;dude it's not a store, listen to me.
1655479;1494737214;ben_vulpes;the gasoline is your store, you burn it and use the battery to supply temporary current while the turbine goes from off to optimal regime.
1655480;1494737215;asciilifeform;if you think it doesn't wear when you shallow cycle, think again.
1655481;1494737224;ben_vulpes;clutch also wears.
1655482;1494737239;asciilifeform;clutch doesn't cost 40k.
1655483;1494737252;ben_vulpes;what, fe-ni does?
1655484;1494737275;asciilifeform;price some time what one with 500mile range would cost.
1655485;1494737290;ben_vulpes;why on earth would you need the 500-miler.
1655486;1494737309;asciilifeform;( and no, 'tesla' aficionado does not get to redefine what an auto ~is~ )
1655487;1494737309;ben_vulpes;are you reading what i write or just repeating from your queue of stored battery slights?
1655488;1494737356;ben_vulpes;battery is /temporal load leveler/ for /onboard turbine that burns gasoline/
1655489;1494737365;ben_vulpes;entirely reasonable power train.
1655490;1494737387;asciilifeform;5fig maintenance every 3-4yrs is 'reasonable' !???
1655491;1494737406;ben_vulpes;to be clear, 5 figs for the 500 mi battery, correct?
1655492;1494737430;asciilifeform;for, last i knew, 'tesla' battery
1655493;1494737445;asciilifeform;and 2x that if usg weren't subsidizing
1655494;1494737448;ben_vulpes;why would you need a battery with that kind of capacity IF YOU ARE DOING ONBOARD ELECTRICAL GENERATION?
1655495;1494737480;asciilifeform;'prius' , let's take, then
1655496;1494737485;asciilifeform;.. 7k ?
1655497;1494737516;ben_vulpes;poor example; must be compact, lightweight.
1655498;1494737536;asciilifeform;i suffer these in lappy, and it is infuriating, 20-40% capacity loss/yr. why the everliving fuck would i volunteer to suffer this in an auto.
1655499;1494737548;asciilifeform;and for 2x the cost of petrol, even.
1655500;1494737558;ben_vulpes;no, you don't get to avoid the fe-ni battery proposal.
1655501;1494737591;asciilifeform;or flywheel !
1655502;1494737623;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's father designed, iirc a city bus on old home planet, with flywheel accumulator
1655503;1494737624;ben_vulpes;shall i go get my sophistry canister?
1655504;1494737631;asciilifeform;no, it worked.
1655505;1494737663;ben_vulpes;also the prius does not have a fully-electric transmission.
1655506;1494737664;asciilifeform;( was trolleybus. flywheel allowed it to go brief stint out if wire range )
1655507;1494737667;ben_vulpes;worst of all worlds.
1655508;1494737678;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: incidentally, why not
1655509;1494737693;ben_vulpes;because they use the motor to power the transmission and not the battery.
1655510;1494737696;asciilifeform;i rode in a 'prius' taxi not long ago, and was astonished to discover this
1655511;1494737707;asciilifeform;but WHy
1655512;1494737716;ben_vulpes;because legacy drivetrain.
1655513;1494737724;ben_vulpes;dude that you are engaging on the topic and are recently surprised at the state of the art is pretty funny.
1655514;1494737736;ben_vulpes;prius has a dual-input transmission.
1655515;1494737745;asciilifeform;yes but why!!
1655516;1494737751;asciilifeform;i dungetit
1655517;1494737758;ben_vulpes;because honda car division makes ic engines and ic trannies
1655518;1494737764;ben_vulpes;toyota?
1655519;1494737767;asciilifeform;aaah junkyardwars ol
1655520;1494737770;asciilifeform;ok
1655521;1494737773;ben_vulpes;anyways, "volt" does this correctly.
1655522;1494737784;ben_vulpes;and i await the drivetrain's arrival in trucks eagerly.
1655523;1494737827;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: phunphakt : heavy mining trucks in su were 100% diesel-electric
1655524;1494737836;asciilifeform;a la prius or ww2 sub.
1655525;1494737859;ben_vulpes;dual-input or electric to the shaft?
1655526;1494737859;asciilifeform;because a house-sized mechanical transmission is idiocy
1655527;1494737878;ben_vulpes;prius is not electric to the shaft, as we just discussed. it has electrical supplement to the shaft.
1655528;1494737882;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: motor per wheel
1655529;1494737889;asciilifeform;aah
1655530;1494737893;ben_vulpes;yeah, not how prius works.
1655531;1494737895;asciilifeform;sub then
1655532;1494737901;ben_vulpes;yes, sane design.
1655533;1494737913;ben_vulpes;prius is plastic tech designed to appease american consumer, nyooz at whenever.
1655534;1494737924;ben_vulpes;great mileage, zero accel.
1655535;1494737929;ben_vulpes;zero torque, etc.
1655536;1494737943;ben_vulpes;perfect self flagelletory greentech.
1655537;1494737943;asciilifeform;btw ben_vulpes -- know where i can get a ni-fe cell ?
1655538;1494737951;asciilifeform;or whichever size
1655539;1494737952;ben_vulpes;sadly, no.
1655540;1494737956;asciilifeform;*of
1655541;1494737971;ben_vulpes;but the chemistry is of kindergarten grade. go, buy railcars of ni, fe, assemble.
1655542;1494737981;asciilifeform;lolyes
1655543;1494737996;asciilifeform;why not pebble reactor.
1655544;1494738000;asciilifeform;if assembling.
1655545;1494738016;*;ben_vulpes fumbles for the spare canister
1655546;1494738163;asciilifeform;this being said, if ben_vulpes builds with own hands an electric auto with ni-fe cells, made by own hand, i will clap!
1655547;1494738186;ben_vulpes;on an eeeentiiiiirely different topic, it took months but i recently got the part of my output indexer that excises spent outputs from the index map to compile, which i believe brings the indexer part of this foray to completion. i invite any who'd like to read and comment to download the (unsigned!) vpatch from here cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch
1655548;1494738217;asciilifeform;one time i went to an exhibit of electric vehicles, there were not only modern machines but lovingly handcrafted (from ordinary chassis) items, from as early as '80s, still working
1655549;1494738249;ben_vulpes;now i have to decide how to test it, for the odds are that it does not work as-written. but i do invite commentary on the design!
1655550;1494738276;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: describe briefly what this does plox
1655551;1494738316;ben_vulpes;this patch adds an rpc command that eats as input one address, and walks the blockchain for outputs that spend to the address.
1655552;1494738335;asciilifeform;doesn't importprivkey do this ?
1655553;1494738352;ben_vulpes;at the end of the walk, it writes the unspent outputs to a file in a format amenable to normal unix tool examination.
1655554;1494738366;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what use has anyone for the wallet?
1655555;1494738382;asciilifeform;aaah that's what it was
1655556;1494738387;asciilifeform;neato ben_vulpes
1655557;1494738427;ben_vulpes;once this patch works (which it almost certainly does not, as i have only finished drafting it), it will serialize unspent outputs to disk in a simple format for...later use.
1655558;1494738447;ben_vulpes;ty asciilifeform
1655559;1494738522;ben_vulpes;the patch adds a struct to use during the indexing, and a new overload of IsMine that uses the script solver to find outputs relevant to the given address.
1655560;1494738540;asciilifeform;i'ma read this when i wake up
1655561;1494738552;ben_vulpes;once it works for a single address, it will be trivial to index multiple at once.
1655562;1494738561;ben_vulpes;please do!
1655563;1494738729;ben_vulpes;i am considering testing this in conjunction with a solipsistic miner, but may test it against the extant blockchain instead. input on this also welcome
1655564;1494738768;asciilifeform;if it works on arbitrary addrs, seems like it'd be wuite asy to test
1655565;1494738779;asciilifeform;*quite easy
1655566;1494738787;ben_vulpes;aye
1655567;1494738857;ben_vulpes;the time it takes a fully-synced node to shutdown and reboot is painful, though.
1655568;1494738896;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: kill , then when db syncs ( grep tail of log ) kill -9
1655569;1494738904;asciilifeform;< 1s
1655570;1494738924;asciilifeform;i haven't waited for a node to shut down in years
1655571;1494738930;asciilifeform;now warmup, yes, slow.
1655572;1494738944;ben_vulpes;aha, this.
1655573;1494738956;asciilifeform;and will get slooooooower
1655574;1494739003;asciilifeform;hence why all of asciilifeform's trb work from month or so ago and forever more, is about losing the cpp hairball.
1655575;1494739025;ben_vulpes;this nqb is an entirely new client, is it not?
1655576;1494739033;asciilifeform;it is.
1655577;1494739076;asciilifeform;idea , however, is that it will run blox past trad trb ( netless  , mempoolless trb ) as 'final court'
1655578;1494739089;ben_vulpes;it may take some time, especially at my glacial pace, but i think slicing the wallet from the reference implementation (which i don't think is going anywhere?) a worthwhile endeavour.
1655579;1494739120;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yours, and others', works, are quite worthwhile !
1655580;1494739138;asciilifeform;reference trb gotta keep working, uninterrupted,
1655581;1494739181;asciilifeform;per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626921 thread..
1655582;1494739181;a111;Logged on 2017-03-14 15:11 asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour')
1655583;1494739422;ben_vulpes;and in "today's nobel, tomorrow's homework", eventually bitcoin clients will be the republic's software engineering masterwork project.
1655584;1494739461;asciilifeform;tbh, i doubt it
1655585;1494739502;asciilifeform;a watertight bignumatron, for instance, is , turns out, quite tricky
1655586;1494739514;asciilifeform;even being 1960s tech
1655587;1494739564;ben_vulpes;did say, 'masterwork'.
1655588;1494739570;ben_vulpes;not 'journeman'.
1655589;1494739574;ben_vulpes;journeyman*
1655590;1494739629;ben_vulpes;anyways, /me off
1655591;1494739640;asciilifeform;goodnight ben_vulpes
1655592;1494739665;ben_vulpes;nn asciilifeform
1655593;1494739714;*;ben_vulpes will be doting on the mothers in his life on the morrow
1655594;1494741269;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/cost-of-running-shitware-continues-bull-run-to-the-moon/ << Qntra - Cost Of Running Shitware Continues Bull Run To The Moon
1655595;1494751698;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655445 << on the contrary.
1655596;1494751698;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 03:54 ben_vulpes: any objections to a vpatch doing away with the truncation of hashes in the trb log?
1655597;1494751832;mircea_popescu;jesus 1985 philadelphia is ugly.
1655598;1494752928;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655457 << doing a mediocre job of it, too. stem cell research actually yielded various practical results. mostly obscure bone marrow diseases, but hey, it's only obscure until you get it.
1655599;1494752928;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 04:36 asciilifeform: in yet-other noose, guess who appears to read the l0gz: https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2017/05/14/technologies-which-did-not-live-up-to-the-hype
1655600;1494753038;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655460 << most hybrids have some kind of turbine under the hood, even if masquerading as a more traditional something or other.
1655601;1494753038;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 04:40 ben_vulpes: just had to wait for people to realize y'hook 'em up to batteries and not the tranny directly of course.
1655602;1494753226;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655475 << he has a point though, every redesign cycle the momentum-based store (like they use in eg F1 cars) comes back to the drawing board. turns out having a small heavy well spinning real fast is not really much worse than trying to store energy in batteries.
1655603;1494753226;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 04:46 ben_vulpes: my point is don't use the battery as anything other than a temporal load leveler, and bam you have yourself effectively a clutch.
1655604;1494753260;mircea_popescu;wheel*
1655605;1494753433;mircea_popescu;oh i see flywheel is mentioned downstream anyway.
1655606;1494753479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655525 << electric to the shaft.
1655607;1494753479;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 04:57 ben_vulpes: dual-input or electric to the shaft?
1655608;1494753495;mircea_popescu;ro train engines were that way for a long time too, owing to the peculiar terrain.
1655609;1494764347;Framedragger;HN spit out https://github.com/mjg59/mei-amt-check , dunno if any good, maybe need to check later. to be clear, AMT won't be provisioned "by default", and it being provisioned is the worser thang.
1655610;1494770240;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655600 << not on this here planet, wat
1655611;1494770240;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 09:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655460 << most hybrids have some kind of turbine under the hood, even if masquerading as a more traditional something or other.
1655612;1494770271;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655608 << ALL trains made after 1950 or so...
1655613;1494770271;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 09:18 mircea_popescu: ro train engines were that way for a long time too, owing to the peculiar terrain.
1655614;1494770388;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655609 << 'Requires that the mei_me driver (part of the upstream kernel) be loaded.'
1655615;1494770388;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 12:19 Framedragger: HN spit out https://github.com/mjg59/mei-amt-check , dunno if any good, maybe need to check later. to be clear, AMT won't be provisioned "by default", and it being provisioned is the worser thang.
1655616;1494770404;Framedragger;loaded by default in stock ubuntu, say
1655617;1494770410;asciilifeform;now why would the module be loaded on a box without it
1655618;1494770416;asciilifeform;srsly??!
1655619;1494770417;Framedragger;(yesyes ubuntu is not an OS, etc)
1655620;1494770429;Framedragger;yep
1655621;1494770436;asciilifeform;nuts.
1655622;1494770455;Framedragger;not on debian, it seems. checked on a xeon cpu which has AMT, but module was not loaded
1655623;1494770494;Framedragger;and on x220 lappy with ubuntu, AMT was enabled (will check bios settings later), but not provisioned.
1655624;1494770530;Framedragger;(for posterity, x220 is i5-2520M, xeon server is W3520)
1655625;1494770661;Framedragger;(^ may as well check phuctor box, but module probably won't be loaded.)
1655626;1494770743;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655598 << 100% ~adult~ stem cells, afaik
1655627;1494770743;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 09:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655457 << doing a mediocre job of it, too. stem cell research actually yielded various practical results. mostly obscure bone marrow diseases, but hey, it's only obscure until you get it.
1655628;1494770776;asciilifeform;^ was the most expensive, gram for gram, substance asciilifeform ever worked with, incidentally
1655629;1494770923;asciilifeform;Framedragger: didja read the linked code? How about the kernel mod it depends on?
1655630;1494770947;asciilifeform;suppose it ~enables~ something, say.
1655631;1494770986;asciilifeform;why not do same test by attempting the original ( now - public ) remote diddle ?
1655632;1494770986;Framedragger;well, that's why i said "dunno if any good". on *cursory* glance, nothing mischievous, but obvs wouldn't v-sign it
1655633;1494770991;phf`;that article was inoffensive, but sloppy. some offhand points i think required elaboration (i.e. missing republican footnotes!), others were superfluous
1655634;1494771013;Framedragger;asciilifeform: remote diddle only works if AMT is not only enabled but also *provisioned*.
1655635;1494771017;asciilifeform;phf`: which one
1655636;1494771021;Framedragger;makes sense to know if only enabled, too
1655637;1494771025;phf`;locklin
1655638;1494771055;asciilifeform;Framedragger: what does enabled-but-not-provisioned do ?
1655639;1494771079;Framedragger;tl;dr is "i have nfi"
1655640;1494771102;Framedragger;but it seems that it's then possible to run *local* exploit (privilege escalation)
1655641;1494771119;Framedragger;where was that link to intel's content-less advisory... it had two parts, one remote, one local
1655642;1494771130;asciilifeform;Framedragger: privesc on all intel boxes is trivial.
1655643;1494771145;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah: https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr
1655644;1494771166;Framedragger;and computers are not computers in the first place; does not negate the point about "if enabled, still bad, and good to know/check."
1655645;1494771196;phf`;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654941 << so i got a replacement copy, in it's in even worse state than the first one! this one the entire lower edge is butchered during cutting. automated self-publishing ftw
1655646;1494771196;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 21:24 phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653984 << so i got a copy, mine had a mechanical looking gash in the spine, had to send it for replacement. otherwise it's not horrible. it's a cheap thermal binding, but the paper is crisp, and the source is TeX so it looks reasonable.
1655647;1494771211;Framedragger;asciilifeform: see bullet point "An unprivileged local attacker could provision manageability features  gaining unprivileged network or local system privileges on Intel  manageability SKUs"
1655648;1494771223;asciilifeform;Framedragger: tell me why i should give half a fuck re intel's, or microshit's, patch to re-nsaonly-ize an nsahole.
1655649;1494771237;Framedragger;so in theory, a wordpress hax0r could provision AMT if AMT was enabled, thus opening up the remote diddling thing
1655650;1494771244;asciilifeform;good.
1655651;1494771269;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i linked to illustrate the diff between enabled vs provisioned. let's not do another confused is/ought debate
1655652;1494771274;asciilifeform;if somebody physically ignited every box on the planet having amt, that would be great.
1655653;1494771284;Framedragger;for schizzle
1655654;1494771413;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655645 << interestingly, i have never seen this. auto-printed b00kz often suffer from terrible (microshit!) formatting, layout. but physically perfect
1655655;1494771413;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 14:13 phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654941 << so i got a replacement copy, in it's in even worse state than the first one! this one the entire lower edge is butchered during cutting. automated self-publishing ftw
1655656;1494771425;asciilifeform;at least all the ones i have here.
1655657;1494771431;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655626 << not really. peripheral blood stem cells, placental, various.
1655658;1494771431;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 14:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655598 << 100% ~adult~ stem cells, afaik
1655659;1494771464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: link to useful result from the famous embryonic ones
1655660;1494771483;asciilifeform;afaik it ended up summing to 0.
1655661;1494771526;phf`;right, well the originals are presumably TeX formatted ps files, so it's impossible to butcher that part. somehow they can't seem to get it pressed properly. maybe it's just my luck
1655662;1494771547;asciilifeform;( though , unlike locklin, i will not rule out wreckers as the explanation )
1655663;1494771551;mircea_popescu;!~google katie sharify
1655664;1494771552;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Stories of Hope: Spinal Cord Injury | California's Stem Cell Agency: <https://www.cirm.ca.gov/our-progress/stories-hope-spinal-cord-injury>; World's 1st Human Embryonic Stem Cell Trial for Spinal Cord Injury ...: <https://www.cirm.ca.gov/our-progress/video/worlds-1st-human-embryonic-stem-cell-trial-spinal-cord-injury-katie-sharify>; Meet Katie Sharify : A Participant in the World's First Human ...: (1 more message)
1655665;1494771574;mircea_popescu;and i will note that your policy of strongly held opinions in poorly known fields is not working so well. not re turbines, not re stem cells etc.
1655666;1494771615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gonna link to a commercial turbine hybrid ? or somehing other than video with some chick re embryo cell ?
1655667;1494771623;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1655668;1494771624;asciilifeform;project much ?
1655669;1494771690;asciilifeform;i'll point out that a 'onesie' ('apricots cured mr smith!') is ~not~ a clinical result.
1655670;1494771695;asciilifeform;regardless of how made.
1655671;1494771710;mircea_popescu;so far i have an onesie and you have your world famous brand of alf's gut flora.
1655672;1494771724;asciilifeform;which yes, means that penicillin was not yet a result back when it was curing that one brit policeman.
1655673;1494771758;mircea_popescu;!~google hESC macular degeneration.
1655674;1494771760;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Treatment of Macular Degeneration Using Embryonic ... - NCBI - NIH: <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4437471/>; Phase 1 Safety Assessment of CPCB-RPE1, hESC -derived RPE ...: <https://www.cirm.ca.gov/our-progress/awards/phase-1-safety-assessment-cpcb-rpe1-hesc-derived-rpe-cell-coated-parylene>; hESC and iPSC-based products in clinical trials : Current status of ...: (1 more message)
1655675;1494771776;asciilifeform;that's moar like it
1655676;1494771787;mircea_popescu;!~google AST-OPC1
1655677;1494771788;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: AST - OPC1 - Asterias Biotherapeutics - A Global Leader In ...: <http://asteriasbiotherapeutics.com/AST-OPC1.php>; AST - OPC1 - BioTime, Inc.: <http://www.biotimeinc.com/products-pipeline/ast-opc1/>; California Institute of Regenerative Medicine - BioTime, Inc.: <http://www.biotimeinc.com/california-institute-of-regenerative-medicine/>
1655678;1494771795;*;asciilifeform goes to read, update re 'did it ever work'
1655679;1494771818;asciilifeform;maybe meanwhile mircea_popescu will also find hybrid turbine. i'd like one
1655680;1494771833;asciilifeform;( betcha it was in aston martin or the like... )
1655681;1494771840;mircea_popescu;the statement was "some kind of turbine under the hood, even if masquerading as a more traditional something or other".
1655682;1494771874;mircea_popescu;not that there aren't eg
1655683;1494771884;mircea_popescu;!~google LM6000
1655684;1494771885;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: LM6000 -PF/PF+ Gas Turbine | Combined Cycle | GE Power: <https://powergen.gepower.com/products/aeroderivative-gas-turbines/lm6000-gas-turbine-family.html>; LM6000 - The LM6000 Engine | GE Aviation: <https://www.geaviation.com/marine/engines/military/lm6000-engine>; General Electric LM6000 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_LM6000>
1655685;1494771918;asciilifeform;that looks like a naval engine, mircea_popescu
1655686;1494771939;mircea_popescu;right.
1655687;1494771965;*;asciilifeform pictures auto with subj !
1655688;1494771969;mircea_popescu;what is your idea of, eg, turbo-diesel ?
1655689;1494771976;mircea_popescu;or w/e, turbocharger.
1655690;1494771998;asciilifeform;turbochargers are found in many high end auto ( iirc ben_vulpes had one )
1655691;1494772006;mircea_popescu;which is what i fucking said.
1655692;1494772007;asciilifeform;but is not a turbine engine
1655693;1494772011;mircea_popescu;and why not ?
1655694;1494772017;asciilifeform;where 1 moving part
1655695;1494772050;asciilifeform;turbocharged piston engine is own, ww2-era item
1655696;1494772074;mircea_popescu;but on what grounds do you disqualify it from "turbine", other than "it successfuly masquerades as something else, fooling me"
1655697;1494772090;asciilifeform;because they are wholly different items ??
1655698;1494772103;mircea_popescu;like, say, an apple.
1655699;1494772107;mircea_popescu;wholly different.
1655700;1494772113;asciilifeform;srsly are we having the '2-cycle diesels' thread again ?
1655701;1494772160;mircea_popescu;no, we are having the thread where "turbine is not nao turbine because it's different"
1655702;1494772174;mircea_popescu;you ever saw the fucking item ? how is it not a turbine ?
1655703;1494772178;asciilifeform;but if mircea_popescu direly wants to drive a land vehicle with actual turbine engine - there is at least one ! : abrams tank.
1655704;1494772219;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by same token as your reasoning above, my comp is a turbine engine ( has turbine fan in it , hey )
1655705;1494772235;mircea_popescu;your computer does not burn a fuel.
1655706;1494772254;asciilifeform;but in your supercharged bugati, pistons provide the motive force, not hot gas turning turbine
1655707;1494772263;mircea_popescu;the hot gas turbine provides SOME OF the force.
1655708;1494772269;mircea_popescu;which was the original fucking contention dear lord.
1655709;1494772295;asciilifeform;of the O2, for the stoichiometric mix - provides. force, nope
1655710;1494772318;mircea_popescu;in this sense jet engine does not power the jet because... gases moving about do.
1655711;1494772328;mircea_popescu;mmkay. it's really the air under the fore wing that's the plane's engine.
1655712;1494772377;asciilifeform;the part which is moved by expanding gas, in a combustion engine, is the one of interest re 'which type of engine'
1655713;1494772391;asciilifeform;at least on the planet i'm posting from
1655714;1494772398;mircea_popescu;whether you attach the items to the drive train via electric exchange ; or whether you attach them via the historical arrangement known as turbocharger, in point of fact you've put some items to work for your transmission.
1655715;1494772420;asciilifeform;how to do transmission is separate q from engine
1655716;1494772430;asciilifeform;(was original thread)
1655717;1494772455;mircea_popescu;point being that in the modern diesel, a turbine is attached to the carnot engine, much in the manner in which in a modern hybrid, a carnot engine is attached to the electric motor.
1655718;1494772473;mircea_popescu;ie, there's some power sent to the wheels through engine 1 by engine 2.
1655719;1494772514;mircea_popescu;and yes, the turbo was originally a ship-and-train tech, in the 20s or w/e.
1655720;1494772525;asciilifeform;theoretically. but if you go to auto dealer and ask for turbine engine, a very confused d00d may or may not sell you an abrams..
1655721;1494772544;*;asciilifeform finally sees at least where mircea_popescu got the idea.
1655722;1494772551;mircea_popescu;if i take my cues from dudes working in auto dealers, i might even end up with no bitcoin and a dozen credit cards.
1655723;1494772559;asciilifeform;lol
1655724;1494772574;mircea_popescu;"very confused salesman" test. i gotta remember this one.
1655725;1494772626;asciilifeform;btw abrams illustrated a certain minus of proper (1 moving part, gas turns shaft) turbine : high revv-up cost
1655726;1494772678;mircea_popescu;yes, but in a proper arrangement (electric, gasoline, gas) hybrid, the gas turbine needn't cover all power curves.
1655727;1494772678;asciilifeform;i always wondered if this is intrinsic to the tech, or just american stupidity
1655728;1494772718;asciilifeform;yes but engine still turns for a few hrs in a human auto, vs weeks at, say, sea
1655729;1494772719;mircea_popescu;anyway, to revisit upstack : putting "quantum computing" in the same pile of failed technologies as stem cell research is beyond idiotic. holy hell, every woman that ever was pregnant got the embryonic boost, measurable and measured, wtf.
1655730;1494772748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ideal functioning of, eg, semi, is that engine turns at 4800 for 8 hours straight.
1655731;1494772753;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: workings of stock meat are not a technology
1655732;1494772757;mircea_popescu;this ideal is actually achieved, in middle usland.
1655733;1494772780;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: harvester , say
1655734;1494772792;*;asciilifeform pictures harvester with gas turbine
1655735;1494772800;asciilifeform;would be spiffy
1655736;1494772815;mircea_popescu;item dun really need so much power i don't think, but certainly used in the higher power tractors iirc.
1655737;1494772823;asciilifeform;abrams, for instance, runs on just about any flammable liquid
1655738;1494772834;asciilifeform;could burn liquishit, i bet
1655739;1494772840;mircea_popescu;!~google ford typhoon tractor
1655740;1494772841;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: A jet-powered tractor ? - Successful Farming: <http://www.agriculture.com/machinery/tractors/antique-tractor/a-jetpowered-tract_201-ar26626>; View additional information about Turbine Tractors . - Marvin ...: <http://www.marvinbaumann.com/turbinetractors.html>; Typhoon II Ford Typhoon II - Marvin Baumann Antique Tractors: <http://www.marvinbaumann.com/typhoon2.html>
1655741;1494772902;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ^
1655742;1494772940;asciilifeform;looks like it was made in example of 1 .
1655743;1494772941;mircea_popescu;somehow the "conspiracy to supress" ~never mentions this. always impresses me re the culture and literacy of the little john smiths us soil keeps popping like mushrooms everywhere
1655744;1494772955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc a half dozen or somesuch. but taken to faires and so on
1655745;1494772970;asciilifeform;why not caught on, i wonder
1655746;1494772981;mircea_popescu;nfi. one of those puzzlers.
1655747;1494773001;asciilifeform;possibly ben_vulpes knows.
1655748;1494773006;mircea_popescu;was certainly displayed in public, to great excitement.
1655749;1494773019;asciilifeform;some engine sound great on paper, but painful in practice
1655750;1494773046;asciilifeform;( expensive to make, or vibrate, say, to early grave, or , or )
1655751;1494773056;mircea_popescu;if it had such a tail i dunno of it.
1655752;1494773071;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu linked once to an interesting example of this
1655753;1494773090;asciilifeform;opposing-piston thing
1655754;1494773130;mircea_popescu;right
1655755;1494773164;mircea_popescu;when fishing through the (rather consistent) history of engines, one's always to be careful. lotta curly items in there.
1655756;1494773364;mircea_popescu;anyway. to be perfectly fair and generally speaking sane : the actual technological need driving the modern hybrid craze has ~nothing to do with the declared reasoning (envirobs) and everything to do with the desperate attempts of engineers who noticed they have a pile of ~useful items to arrange them in an optimal configuration.
1655757;1494773385;asciilifeform;aha, the lappy battery
1655758;1494773390;mircea_popescu;it's not hard to observe, as a theoretical physicist at least, that ~all engines to date are stumbling at a general problem with naive assumptions.
1655759;1494773442;mircea_popescu;you got a turbine, which'll burn ~anything but does not spool, you've got a gasoline engine, which will this but not that, there's electric which is most efficient but uses the most volatile of fuels, make something of this!
1655760;1494773445;asciilifeform;incidentally 'hey, we have a pile of shit' is how we got he light petrol auto to begin with
1655761;1494773464;asciilifeform;( so folx in petro business can sell it, instead of flaring it )
1655762;1494773469;mircea_popescu;quite.
1655763;1494773512;mircea_popescu;contrary to what "the people" of "our democracy" have in mind, nobody made cars "so that" little miss humpernickle can take her groceries home easierlier.
1655764;1494773521;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1655765;1494773540;mircea_popescu;yah but tell it to her daughters you get a reaction quite like yours re turbo hybrids above
1655766;1494773556;mircea_popescu;"oh we've never read it stated like that before!!" "mkay, i'm sure such happenstance does something"
1655767;1494773587;asciilifeform;hey i was half convinced that i slept for 20yrs and mircea_popescu was about to show me a proper gas turbine auto, lol
1655768;1494773610;asciilifeform;because that would be massively neat
1655769;1494773632;mircea_popescu;the other item i'm vaguely surprised they're not deplyoing is the actual oxygen purifier engine. srsly, put atmospheric air into your chamber ? because you hate yourself or why.
1655770;1494773652;asciilifeform;( no pistons, no misfires, run on anything that burns... )
1655771;1494773658;mircea_popescu;"80% nitrogen is great!!1"
1655772;1494773672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how'd that work ? zeolite ?
1655773;1494773684;mircea_popescu;i have nfi, what am i, a carmaker head engineer ?
1655774;1494773702;mircea_popescu;but it seems, very from-the-satellite view, that it should work somehow. at least to my eye
1655775;1494773704;asciilifeform;and out of what would you make the combustor.
1655776;1494773712;mircea_popescu;chinese earths.
1655777;1494773725;mircea_popescu;they can make a touch screen, they can make a chamber for o3 reduction.
1655778;1494773727;*;asciilifeform pictures tungsten engine block 
1655779;1494773735;mircea_popescu;for instance. what of it ?
1655780;1494773744;mircea_popescu;tungsten coat, $1.5 in quantity.
1655781;1494773758;mircea_popescu;gotta to something with aqll the wolfram they're not using for proper lightbulbs anymore.
1655782;1494773763;asciilifeform;and how much engine will weigh ?
1655783;1494773774;mircea_popescu;the public LOVES their car being heavy.
1655784;1494773779;mircea_popescu;make better bearings, lose nothing.
1655785;1494773820;asciilifeform;at any rate could work at sea
1655786;1494773853;mircea_popescu;or could work miniaturized. imagine, alf, 125 gram half horsepower engine.
1655787;1494773855;asciilifeform;but do ask the rocketeers how great pure o2 is to have around. corrosive, explosive.
1655788;1494773874;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1655789;1494773894;mircea_popescu;(typical carnot cycle does not miniaturize well. turbine however... might.)
1655790;1494773912;asciilifeform;model engines are a funny thing, use interesting fuels
1655791;1494773916;mircea_popescu;aha!
1655792;1494773920;asciilifeform;e.g. nitromethane
1655793;1494773933;mircea_popescu;ie, they asymptotically tend towards... o2 reductor / h2 donor.
1655794;1494773940;asciilifeform;aha
1655795;1494773973;mircea_popescu;and evidently the metalworking tech to make the 100 gram turbine is here. wasn't here say 1980.
1655796;1494773984;asciilifeform;interestingly, pulse jet ( yes, of german 'v1' ) miniaturizes well
1655797;1494773996;mircea_popescu;what got me thinking of this to begin with.
1655798;1494774016;asciilifeform;somebody actually built a laptop-powering gas turbine iirc.
1655799;1494774021;mircea_popescu;ah they did ?
1655800;1494774034;mircea_popescu;that's the other thing - gas turbine works great with electric gen.
1655801;1494774036;asciilifeform;demo, in qty 1, it was hyped in '90s iirc
1655802;1494774043;mircea_popescu;which is how we ended up with THAT entire bs.
1655803;1494774052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess was asleep at the time.
1655804;1494774089;mircea_popescu;i mean... asciilifeform i guess I was asleep at the time.
1655805;1494774187;asciilifeform;and yes - turbine is probably the most well-known example of recent qualitative jumps in what can be made, from advance in metalworking
1655806;1494774188;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655633 << if you mean the locklin piece, guess what! was my first impression of the dood five years ago as well.
1655807;1494774188;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 14:09 phf`: that article was inoffensive, but sloppy. some offhand points i think required elaboration (i.e. missing republican footnotes!), others were superfluous
1655808;1494774230;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha! and it doesn't seem, from casual survey of the field, that they actually put to work ~everything available. the silicone people are cutting metal masks to the three atom widths ffs.
1655809;1494774276;asciilifeform;photo-lithography worx great for flat objects
1655810;1494774284;asciilifeform;not so much for 3d
1655811;1494774306;mircea_popescu;when one metalworking gets it within 3 A and the other metalworking gets it to the 3 micrometers, you know there's room for some "nobody could have predicted" qualitative jumps.
1655812;1494774324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, computers work great for printing 2d, not so much for simulating 3d, also!
1655813;1494774362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the electrolytic machining thread ?
1655814;1494774367;mircea_popescu;yeah
1655815;1494774375;asciilifeform;srsly perplexing example of 'lost tech'
1655816;1494775657;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/de-fapt-de-ce-nu-folositi-voi-linux/#comment-122036 <<< the sad corrolary of existing in public. you get people thanking you in 2017 for your 2011 article recommending ubuntu as a simple "hey, why not linux again ?" stop gap.
1655817;1494775757;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625794 << just to update that recommendations had been made, are going through, and my sincere thanks to tmsr as always
1655818;1494775757;a111;Logged on 2017-03-11 21:15 Framedragger: @all thanks to this chat i'll now make some urgent recommendations to startup i'm involved with. maybe it's not even gonna be fucked in the ass if moves decisively away. a bit ashamed i had $opinion on $thing-not-researched in the first place.
1655819;1494775779;mircea_popescu;!!up sageprobes
1655820;1494775779;deedbot;sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes.
1655821;1494776581;ben_vulpes;in other things asciilifeform doesn't know about turbines, some nutjobs will run super-rich mixtures such that gases are still burning through the exhaust manifold and into the turbocharger. this obviously torches the poor turbo in short order, but the temporary power boost is astonishing.
1655822;1494776607;ben_vulpes;also turbochargers are approximately standard these days. new civics come with them stock. efficiency and emissions, baby!
1655823;1494776613;mircea_popescu;i thought you were specifically not supposed to do that
1655824;1494776625;ben_vulpes;car world is full of nutjobs.
1655825;1494776641;mircea_popescu;that it is.
1655826;1494776648;ben_vulpes;"it does wear the soap, doesn't it?"
1655827;1494776717;ben_vulpes;http://www.wrightspeed.com/ << production drivetrain, as described. battery, not described however.
1655828;1494776733;*;mircea_popescu recalls used to laugh with friends at "racing experts" with the tell-tale flame out the tailpipe.
1655829;1494776757;ben_vulpes;(promo videos showcase semi cab with the horsepower to drift around the desert)
1655830;1494776792;mircea_popescu;https://www.carthrottle.com/post/heres-how-to-make-your-car-exhaust-spit-flames/ << check it out, thgere's even guides.
1655831;1494776918;mircea_popescu;speaking of batshit insane designs,
1655832;1494776922;mircea_popescu;!~google rotary engine
1655833;1494776924;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Rotary engine - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_engine>; Rotary Engine - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6BCgl2uumlI>; How It Works: the Mazda Rotary Engine (With Video!): <http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a7103/how-it-works-the-mazda-rotary-engine-with-video/>
1655834;1494776952;ben_vulpes;the wankel!
1655835;1494776960;mircea_popescu;"why not rotate the whole fucking assembly!!!"
1655836;1494776965;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hey, some men just want to see the catalytic converter burn
1655837;1494776973;mircea_popescu;all dat platinum!
1655838;1494776982;ben_vulpes;also "it's only yours if you're willing to destroy it"
1655839;1494776989;ben_vulpes;that reminds me, i have a rear differential to weld together.
1655840;1494777198;*;shinohai used to be quite the rx-7 aficionado, owned  2 and loved them both.
1655841;1494778430;asciilifeform;i almost bought a wankel car once
1655842;1494778432;asciilifeform;for bitcoin, no less
1655843;1494778449;asciilifeform;rx7 even.
1655844;1494778493;asciilifeform;re flames, first time i ever rode in a jet, as a boy, was Very Disappoint to see 0 flames coming out of engine
1655845;1494778519;asciilifeform;( has, of course, nfi re konsoomer jet having 0 afterburner )
1655846;1494778910;mircea_popescu;in other shocking developments, /me learned yesterday that some people actually believe serving a l'anglaise (ie, in their bastardized notion, pre-plated items) is an acceptable manner for waitstaff!
1655847;1494778943;shinohai;!!up alex__c
1655848;1494778944;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
1655849;1494778984;shinohai;I kinda liked the wankel, would rev to ~10k without batting an eye, perfect marriage for bigger turbos
1655850;1494779046;*;mircea_popescu was never a fan
1655851;1494779144;asciilifeform;the interface with the shaft, iirc, is the weak point
1655852;1494779147;asciilifeform;and never was solved.
1655853;1494779176;asciilifeform;( would be a pretty great engine if somehow rotor were coupled ONLY magnetically to outside, and in fact part of a generator )
1655854;1494779503;mircea_popescu;i guess
1655855;1494779778;ben_vulpes;"our demoooocracy!": https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy , also, further hijinks in the era of epsilon snr
1655856;1494779865;asciilifeform;snorematic
1655857;1494779902;mircea_popescu;wtf is "britain heads to polls again" for ?
1655858;1494779911;mircea_popescu;"keep voting until you get an acceptable result" ?
1655859;1494779992;mircea_popescu;and i swear if i see another one of these ustard precious cuntlet ledes with "o nso and so date so and so insignificant schmuck just like the author was being part of an imaginary sequel of seinfeld" ima kidnap some "innocents" and sell them in gabon.
1655860;1494780061;asciilifeform;while(!result){vote();} is the established classic algo of eu
1655861;1494780083;mircea_popescu;fucking ridoinculous "our democracy" bs.
1655862;1494780129;mircea_popescu;uk had three referendums in its entire history, now they want one a year ?
1655863;1494780146;asciilifeform;until Correct Result aha
1655864;1494780192;Framedragger;> opens the guardian piece
1655865;1494780192;Framedragger;> first sentence includes phrase "big data"
1655866;1494780192;Framedragger;> ok
1655867;1494780285;trinque;also matrix numbers, very serious.
1655868;1494780343;shinohai;Can't have a conspiracy piece without Matrix binary, just isn't proper.
1655869;1494780349;trinque;ultimate lulz being that this will be the lasting memory of this page of history, if anybody takes the paragraph point five to write it
1655870;1494780386;mircea_popescu;i dunno that anyone reads the guardian for purposes other than superman magazine or hustler.
1655871;1494780418;mircea_popescu;if you got that particular fetish/brainhole, stroking it is pleasurable, but once the spunk comes out that's it.
1655872;1494780438;trinque;"uh I don't know, people started cutting their dicks as part of a mass mental breakdown. I think they had quite fair skin."
1655873;1494780589;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655846 << /me had a serious dining wtf last night; folks had no idea how to handle the (romanian, actually) chef coming to greet our table
1655874;1494780589;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 16:21 mircea_popescu: in other shocking developments, /me learned yesterday that some people actually believe serving a l'anglaise (ie, in their bastardized notion, pre-plated items) is an acceptable manner for waitstaff!
1655875;1494780601;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1655876;1494780613;trinque;my back was to the poor guy or I'd have handled it from the beginning, only noticed because idiots were getting uncomfortable across from me
1655877;1494780638;trinque;by the time I shook his hand and started chatting with him, guy was uncomfortable and I let him depart
1655878;1494780649;trinque;then two women at table wail "oh he didn't shake our hands"
1655879;1494780658;trinque;I used this as a teachable moment for all
1655880;1494780663;mircea_popescu;good.
1655881;1494780664;mircea_popescu;the (very indian) chef of great local place actually came out of kitchen to see these two people who were eating all the stuff i rodered ; but couldn't summon the courage to more than bow from a distance and scurry off.
1655882;1494780674;mircea_popescu;possibly, through having had a lot of muricans in the joint over the years.
1655883;1494780714;trinque;my own grandfather was chef and owner of a great steak place for decades, did this nightly.
1655884;1494780734;trinque;and wtf, he's supposed to interject himself between the men and women without introductions? this while trying to be a good host?
1655885;1494780738;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/14/the-real-bat-lives-on/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The real BaT lives on.
1655886;1494780756;mircea_popescu;generally it's the job of the maitre d', which in more euro-style restaurants is the you know, favoured louis de funes role, not really rhe chef. but custoims vary.
1655887;1494780794;mircea_popescu;the us tv has brought about this chef-restaurant manager combo. dunno how sustainable it is in practice.
1655888;1494780836;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: ran when parked << lol
1655889;1494780845;trinque;sadly I think this was a result of a four course meal joint struggling to get by, for same reason as "he didn't introduce himself to me omg"
1655890;1494780870;mircea_popescu;weirdos.
1655891;1494780889;mircea_popescu;incidentally, can you even get a proper (14.) full course meal in teh us anymoar ?
1655892;1494780935;trinque;entirely doubtful
1655893;1494780985;mircea_popescu;fifteen years ago it was good sport to order oyster entree with local fellows present. average american will make faces at the half shell and do it no further harm.
1655894;1494781045;mircea_popescu;of course, even getting oysters fit for the table in the first place was already a dubious matter then.
1655895;1494781054;*;trinque had the benefit of new england lineage, will harm teh oyster gladly
1655896;1494781299;mircea_popescu;it's funny how the shit evolves, though. historically, the maitre d'hotel would be this knowledgeable, older male, exactly equivalent of the village godfather for his little village onto itself. so HE'd greet you and take you to your table, KNOWING FULL WELL who you were.
1655897;1494781317;mircea_popescu;us vaguely heard of this, has inept girly not yet qualified to bus tables in the front office, asking you who you are.
1655898;1494781325;mircea_popescu;bitch, if you don't know who i am you already failed your job.
1655899;1494781473;mircea_popescu;i suppose the next logical step is to you know, "who ordered the this???". make the customer keenly aware you couldn't give less of a shit about 'em and then whine about how you work in the "service industry" ie he HAS TO TIP YOU!!111
1655900;1494781504;trinque;aha. last night summarizes as "how dare you elevate yourselves by pissing on this husk of hand-me-down *culture* to claim you have one"
1655901;1494781504;shinohai;implying they actually perform a service.
1655902;1494781564;trinque;at least the guy didn't open a fucking potatoslurry franchise.
1655903;1494781637;*;mircea_popescu has seen a lot of "comida por kilo" eateries in latinoamerica.
1655904;1494781641;mircea_popescu;they taking over the us also ?
1655905;1494781642;*;trinque often bellowing at unknown, never met ancestors
1655906;1494781695;trinque;they really have you pay by weight?
1655907;1494781700;mircea_popescu;yup.
1655908;1494781721;trinque;epic lul
1655909;1494781724;mircea_popescu;incredibly popular with various young office drone males, evidently living alone in a sort of ship hold.
1655910;1494781737;mircea_popescu;possibly repurposed overhead compartment in airliner ?
1655911;1494781744;shinohai;Lots of oriental restaurants do that around here, pay by weight
1655912;1494781776;mircea_popescu;trinque funny thing being that a) it is infinitely better food than anything pizza hut / taco bell / mcd / kfc etc have on tap and b) it's not really a full dollar a kg from what i've seen.
1655913;1494781777;trinque;should put in a floor pressure pad and turnstile
1655914;1494781788;mircea_popescu;ahahaha!
1655915;1494781794;trinque;one in, one out! no bathroom!
1655916;1494781854;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah it is possible the azn community is spearheading the reculturation process.
1655917;1494781866;mircea_popescu;lotta chinese folk in latam.
1655918;1494782054;mircea_popescu;but to come back to it : the plague of "handheld devices" did a lot of damage to the marginal socioeconomic utility of a large class of people. they spend all their brainpower correcting quopedoa/wikira/whatever the fuck instead of spending the same undersupplied resorce to keep track of their customers / car direction vector / etcetera.
1655919;1494782094;mircea_popescu;average street urchin in 1917 could be hired on the expectation that after 30 years of either being bored stiff or else payingattention at his job he'd finally make a useul worker.
1655920;1494782178;mircea_popescu;today's street urchin is entirely useless -- he's more than happy to spend 30, 50, 150 years if possible siphoning your salary (which he regards as his living wage / god given right) to pay for the britny spears "music" and entirely similar "start-ups", ie, let a lot of you idiots give us your valuable stuff for free maybe we get enough of it to survive our inept whittling it down and still be somehow worth money.
1655921;1494782240;mircea_popescu;wikipedia loves to compare itself with the various actual encyclopedias it stole most of the material worth reading from, but on a "per line" basis, as if THAT is the fucking point of an encyclopedia, never mind the COMPLETENESS or RELIABILITY parts.
1655922;1494782282;mircea_popescu;they however do not appear willing to compare the 500 hours a dozen men put in to produce an encyclopedia with the 5000 hours a dozen million imbeciles put in to compile the steaming pile of shit aka "online encyclopedia".
1655923;1494782307;mircea_popescu;i could produce more value than what wikipedia's worth by simply boiling the collection of wikipedia "editors" and selling the broth.
1655924;1494782560;asciilifeform;the moar interesting attribute of pediwikia is its ability to prevent actual encyclopaedias.
1655925;1494782566;asciilifeform;( from existing at all )
1655926;1494782572;asciilifeform;just as britney ~prevents music, etc.
1655927;1494782595;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has an old article about a giant crushing chairs, etc
1655928;1494782608;mircea_popescu;no skin off my back. so i'll be the last person alive to know anything, and every girl i ever meet who's not a retard feels an irrepressible urge to kneel and beg.
1655929;1494782619;mircea_popescu;o noes, cruel fate, plox no more of this briar patch!
1655930;1494782634;asciilifeform;apres moi le deluge (tm)(r)
1655931;1494782688;mircea_popescu;i'm certainly not saving anyone against his own fucking will.
1655932;1494782694;mircea_popescu;selfsame hands!
1655933;1494782901;*;asciilifeform has often wondered if encyclopaedias, even in the golden age of same (1950s, perhaps) , were useful other than for letting a bright kid know 'approximately what exists' . to adult they served largely same purpose as pediwikia today - 'pulling feeling-knowledgeable cock'
1655934;1494782926;asciilifeform;a kind of intellectual fast-food.
1655935;1494782941;mircea_popescu;imo golden age was 1800s, and their principal utility was to provide ideological allignment for patriarchy.
1655936;1494782962;mircea_popescu;"these are the inferior people to be repressed, for these reasons" is ~the whole point of the original item
1655937;1494782989;asciilifeform;asciilifeform had a 1958 'britannica', made in usa, that he fished out of a dumpster as a boy. it was superb, as far as encyclopaedia goes, about on par with famous большая советская энциклопедия . but today it lives packed in a crate.
1655938;1494783004;mircea_popescu;that the socialist substitute does not work is evident to the proponents, but their interest is of course not in it working. on the contrary.
1655939;1494783018;mircea_popescu;~exactly identical item to the female photographer/solider war/training exercise heroine.
1655940;1494783059;mircea_popescu;the tmsr log serves a very similar function to diderot's offering, in practice.
1655941;1494783097;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aside from 'which savages there exist for you to enslave when you grow up', encyclopaedia had, e.g., which engines exist, what burns in them, how newton tried to make piston work on gunpowder, etc,etc
1655942;1494783110;asciilifeform;general-purpose intro to being a thinking man
1655943;1494783123;mircea_popescu;yes, but the underscore of it all was "these are the things zulus do not know : machine gun, etc. know these so you do not grow up into a zulu."
1655944;1494783129;asciilifeform;well yes
1655945;1494783143;asciilifeform;but important point -- without it , you are a zulu. regardless of what else you might have.
1655946;1494783147;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not to being a thinking man ; to not being a savage. it's fundamentally negative. know this so you don't end up in the tribe.
1655947;1494783170;mircea_popescu;yet plenty of comme il faut gents were not thinking men. as per babbage etc.
1655948;1494783197;asciilifeform;hence asciilifeform's barf re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655928 . asciilifeform does not want to live among zulu.
1655949;1494783197;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 17:23 mircea_popescu: no skin off my back. so i'll be the last person alive to know anything, and every girl i ever meet who's not a retard feels an irrepressible urge to kneel and beg.
1655950;1494783201;asciilifeform;much less chukcha.
1655951;1494783241;mircea_popescu;to be noted that l'encyclopedie (the 1700s item) was a LITERARY WORK. with d'alembert almost a sort of tolkien of his time. it mattered not so much whether the items contained were right or wrong (obviously most were wrong, 1700s) but the fact that you could rely on every respectable gent knowing at least of them.
1655952;1494783254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is not your option.
1655953;1494783275;asciilifeform;( not as if every item in большая советская энциклопедия were dead on accurate!! )
1655954;1494783282;mircea_popescu;right.
1655955;1494783307;mircea_popescu;note incidentally that even though delayed because slavs retarded, the soviet item served exactly same function -- how to be non-non-soviet.
1655956;1494783327;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu nails it, encyclopaedia is made to be a kind of standards document, for what a cultured man is expected to be aware of
1655957;1494783335;mircea_popescu;quite.
1655958;1494783351;*;asciilifeform wonders what japanese encyclopaedias looked like
1655959;1494783359;mircea_popescu;bushido neh ?
1655960;1494783368;asciilifeform;^ another set of folx who were late-comers to mechanical civilization
1655961;1494783387;asciilifeform;re bushido, asciilifeform just read a marvelous treatise on seppuku, the only one afaik of its kind in english
1655962;1494783407;asciilifeform;by one j. seward
1655963;1494783480;mircea_popescu;this related to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654889 ?
1655964;1494783480;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 20:09 asciilifeform: if asciilifeform signs and sends this, he will probably have to design the mips box on toilet paper inside bastille, like de sade
1655965;1494783492;asciilifeform;unrelated. perennial interest of asciilifeform's
1655966;1494783512;mircea_popescu;afaik the only modern attempt didn't work out well.
1655967;1494783524;asciilifeform;well yes, like every other attempt to revive wholly dead cultures
1655968;1494783539;asciilifeform;modern worshippers of, e.g., zeus, sum to ~0
1655969;1494783604;asciilifeform;seppuku was not about picturesque way to cash in yer chips, but part of a system.
1655970;1494783614;mircea_popescu;sure.
1655971;1494783649;asciilifeform;( note for n00bz -- most seppuku was carried out on command from superior )
1655972;1494783663;mircea_popescu;the more interesting subset, imo, is the protest suicide.
1655973;1494783680;asciilifeform;aha
1655974;1494783688;asciilifeform;but even more interesting pretexts existed
1655975;1494783688;mircea_popescu;i confess i can't imagine how the suicide of competeny, loyal underlying could fail to drive competent ruler to redress.
1655976;1494783706;asciilifeform;e.g., seppuku by a subordinate so as to help his commander prep for own seppuku
1655977;1494783707;mircea_popescu;the problem of course being that competent ruler doesn't need you to cut your head off, and incompetent ruler too thick in the first place.
1655978;1494783770;asciilifeform;also apparently bakufu (shogunate) government had serious problem with 'my commander died, now i will seppuku', and tried to suppress it ( subordinate belongs serving the old master's son,  what a waste ) but repeatedly failed.
1655979;1494783822;asciilifeform;many interesting details re particulars of the procedure also ( not of the physical aspects, these are well known - but of humint prepwork prior to ordering a seppukation - gotta make sure the 'star' of the show doesn't bolt )
1655980;1494783910;asciilifeform;seppuku-era jp is quite interesting to asciilifeform because it , you could say, took mircea_popescu's 'people-going-their-own-way-is-retarded' knob and ran with it, turned 'to eleven'
1655981;1494783932;asciilifeform;seppuku per se was the cherry on that particular cake, and quite integral part of the scheme.
1655982;1494783970;mircea_popescu;i suppose the view has legs.
1655983;1494784016;mircea_popescu;of course, average samurai cut down >1 peasants before ending self.
1655984;1494784050;asciilifeform;and average american stomps >1 cockroaches before dying of boredom
1655985;1494784061;mircea_popescu;something like that
1655986;1494784217;*;asciilifeform tries, fails to find any scan of the mega-b00k (it is small - 100pg) on www.
1655987;1494784238;asciilifeform;megatonnes of liquishit of every description; the 1 good survey of a subject in english - nodice
1655988;1494784252;asciilifeform;out of print since 1960s also, iirc.
1655989;1494784871;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also of interest was the discussion of the slow ~debasement~ of seppuku -- first the introduction of 'kaishaku' or beheader-secondant himself; then later the earlier and earlier finishing stroke, with scarcely any cuts; then the disappearance even of the knife, and replacement with substitutes (fan, pen, etc) for 'token' performance
1655990;1494784906;asciilifeform;followed the apparently inevitable curve of 'the a-students hire the b-students who hire the c-students who ...'
1655991;1494785833;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FJoZR/?raw=true
1655992;1494785833;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1655993;1494796117;ben_vulpes;http://68.media.tumblr.com/7152fcfbf988a120de88c4740d40d1b3/tumblr_n55li8SDJy1tb4rdio1_1280.jpg
1655994;1494797123;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655547 << http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch , so things index properly
1655995;1494797124;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 05:03 ben_vulpes: on an eeeentiiiiirely different topic, it took months but i recently got the part of my output indexer that excises spent outputs from the index map to compile, which i believe brings the indexer part of this foray to completion. i invite any who'd like to read and comment to download the (unsigned!) vpatch from here cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch
1655996;1494797411;diana_coman;!!key Top8
1655997;1494797411;deedbot;Not registered.
1655998;1494799068;mod6;So ben_vulpes posted his vpatch: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch
1655999;1494799148;mod6;one of the things that, in a 9 second quick review of this that I asked him to consider was in the implementation of "IsMine"; Specifically, "Consider: What do I return from IsMine if I iterate over the entire list and never find a OP_PUBKEYHASH?".
1656000;1494799228;ben_vulpes;well gosh now that you point that out i have to admit that i do not actually know.
1656001;1494799254;ben_vulpes;i'd assumed false, but do not know that for certain.
1656002;1494799261;mod6;He asked me to post my concern here just to start a general dialog about this, and I think that's just fine.
1656003;1494799314;mod6;typically, i like to be explicit over implicit, and that's just one of these little things.
1656004;1494799374;ben_vulpes;yeah i'll buy that
1656005;1494799374;mod6;(style considerations and grinding can be left off until later.  as I was saying before, ``first we make it work, then we make it pretty'')
1656006;1494799395;ben_vulpes;lolyes, also worth pointing out that the patch is indented at 2 spaces when the rest of trb is indented at 4
1656007;1494799413;mod6;aside from that, i have no further comments at this time, i've neither read it closly, compiled, nor tested this vpatch.
1656008;1494799422;ben_vulpes;aye aye, ty mod6.
1656009;1494799444;mod6;anytime!  great effort you've got rolling here, Sir.
1656010;1494799474;trinque;this is neat.
1656011;1494799495;trinque;will test ben_vulpes
1656012;1494799512;ben_vulpes;trinque, asciilifeform, mod6: it does not actually work, unfortunately.
1656013;1494799519;trinque;aok
1656014;1494799520;ben_vulpes;(as i predicted last night)
1656015;1494799533;ben_vulpes;i'm going to step away from testing the indexer /in toto/, and plug this IsMine overload into the test target
1656016;1494799546;mod6;i can help you try to debug/correct the attempt during the week for sure.
1656017;1494799573;ben_vulpes;mod6: it is certain to take more than a week
1656018;1494799586;mod6;no problem if it does, no rush.
1656019;1494799591;*;trinque still haxing on the deedbot invoicer anyway, but at some point will greatly appreciate a way to track address balances without having privkeys around
1656020;1494799602;trinque;I'm on deck to help however as well.
1656021;1494799610;ben_vulpes;trinque: you can do this today with the slicer i published a while back
1656022;1494799648;ben_vulpes;parser, i mean.
1656023;1494799671;ben_vulpes;should work great in conjunction with asciilifeform's 'cutblock
1656024;1494799685;trinque;dumpblock you mean, or no?
1656025;1494799699;ben_vulpes;no, he wrote a c proggy that cuts blkindex files
1656026;1494799704;trinque;ah.
1656027;1494799716;ben_vulpes;dumpblock is more useful for realtime work in my experience
1656028;1494799720;trinque;now I recall. so yes, I could roll forward using those
1656029;1494799737;ben_vulpes;tail the debug log for processblock: accepted, and then dump the height mentioned in that line
1656030;1494799753;ben_vulpes;parse, looking for spends to any address of interest.
1656031;1494799763;trinque;yes, but aren't you here working on a better implementation of that?
1656032;1494799788;trinque;deposits shall be a human process in either case; I'll just have more to do manually until this thing's done
1656033;1494799791;ben_vulpes;absolutely, but you can use the previous method today, and this thing promises to take a while.
1656034;1494799807;trinque;sure, so does wallet, not going to ship something that's half-baked
1656035;1494799835;trinque;no need to rush on my account, plenty of strange acts of serial cable mangling and other perversions on my end yet
1656036;1494799850;ben_vulpes;get perverse, yo
1656037;1494799876;ben_vulpes;relatedly, i have a patch in abeyance that fixes the test target. i'll bring that out of the refrigerator and start wiring this new IsMine implementation into it.
1656038;1494799919;ben_vulpes;one wrinkle that occurred to me as i tested this patch against a not-completely synced node this afternoon is that satoshi's early transactions were all of the "pay to pubkey" variety, and not today's standard "pay to pubkey hash" breed.
1656039;1494800134;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655564 << easy to test when complete, easy to show that it does not work, not easy to test in the sense of "i have changed implementation details, and would like to see how the system behaves now"
1656040;1494800134;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 05:12 asciilifeform: if it works on arbitrary addrs, seems like it'd be wuite asy to test
1656041;1494804382;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the other ranch, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-14.log.html#t21:17:35
1656042;1494804383;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-05-14 21:17:35: <danielpbarron> aaand i have done it. i have a laptop that powers on and without any other touching will end up at the eulora login screen. then when you quit, it drops down to gdb where you can run it again or quit. if you quit, the machine shuts down
1656043;1494804410;mircea_popescu;!!key <Top8>
1656044;1494804411;deedbot;Not registered.
1656045;1494804413;mircea_popescu;!!key Top8
1656046;1494804414;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/DE084EC3E71FBB5B44A92CD58A7A3C2FB60AF2DA.asc
1656047;1494804978;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1656000 << seems not return anything ? is it ?
1656048;1494804978;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 22:00 ben_vulpes: well gosh now that you point that out i have to admit that i do not actually know.
1656049;1494805145;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i thought fstream is already included. no ?
1656050;1494805313;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: in bitcoinrpc.cpp? i do not think so... http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=wires_rev1
1656051;1494805326;mircea_popescu;+  for (std::map<uint256, std::list<OutputIndex> >::iterator i = relevantOutputs.begin(); i != relevantOutputs.end();) { <<< took me a triple take.
1656052;1494805357;mircea_popescu;is there tmsr rule "no further boost constructs added" ?
1656053;1494805387;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i thought it gets inherited. entirely likely i don't comprehend c loading model.
1656054;1494805474;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you and me both, boddy.
1656055;1494805482;Framedragger;is that from boost? just looks like modern cpp ^
1656056;1494805490;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: that is a standard c99 for loop.
1656057;1494805504;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it does ; not from boost ; satoshi'd have written it as a boost thing im sure
1656058;1494805535;mircea_popescu;question is very general and low priority : "just how far does the stick to 4 rather than 2 space indents thing goes ?".
1656059;1494805536;ben_vulpes;i did use one final BOOST_FOREACH in the output serialization.
1656060;1494805553;mircea_popescu;no, i know, which is why i ask, what's the style here
1656061;1494805554;ben_vulpes;i will reformat with 2, did not feel like futzing with emacs to make 4 spaces happen for this.
1656062;1494805561;ben_vulpes;with 4 i mean.
1656063;1494805566;mircea_popescu;right :D
1656064;1494805586;ben_vulpes;happy to replace the dangling boostism, certainly.
1656065;1494805594;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes to my mind "c99 loop vs boost blabla" is very much in the same chapter as 4/2 spaces etc
1656066;1494805617;mircea_popescu;man gotta know, if / when doing patch work, wtf his stylistic choices are required, expected, desired to be
1656067;1494805647;ben_vulpes;i wish that i could recall my reasoning for using that boostism.
1656068;1494805649;mircea_popescu;we already arguably lost a contributor because he couldn't predict what we wouldn't like about the STYLE, rather than substance of his work.
1656069;1494805666;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hm. a map structure and an iterator over it seems clear to me, imho. just looks unfamiliar to a c developer. but not arguing further
1656070;1494805669;ben_vulpes;it may have been simply the first thing i did, and so mimicked existing style.
1656071;1494805679;ben_vulpes;after some time in the pit, i stopped boosting.
1656072;1494805688;mircea_popescu;sounds natural.
1656073;1494805689;Framedragger;s/clear/clean/
1656074;1494805698;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i've no problem with it whatsoever.
1656075;1494805703;Framedragger;ah kk.
1656076;1494805726;ben_vulpes;c/++ is not my "first tongue".
1656077;1494805727;mircea_popescu; +  BOOST_FOREACH(PAIRTYPE(opcodetype, valtype)& item, vSolution) << more than one ?
1656078;1494805743;ben_vulpes;i had trouble with the pairtype.
1656079;1494805789;ben_vulpes;i do not understand the subtleties of what is happening in script.cpp, and so decided to stick with shown-good semantics.
1656080;1494805826;ben_vulpes;the boost is glued in very tightly in there.
1656081;1494805851;mircea_popescu;so to summarize : ismine logic is false if !solver, true if item.first==op_pubkeyhash and gethash160=hash160 ; false if item.first==op_pubkeyhash and !gethash160=hash160 ;
1656082;1494805862;mircea_popescu;seems it'd have benefitted from a default return ?
1656083;1494805886;mircea_popescu;because seems as it is that it may not return anything specifically in some cases.
1656084;1494805899;ben_vulpes;i foolishly, naively assumed the compiler would detect that.
1656085;1494805931;mircea_popescu;(this is generally the wost sort of problem, when false is the expected return, because undefined often masquerades false, ie it "seems to work")
1656086;1494805960;ben_vulpes;it does surprise me that the function is declared to return a boolean, but the compiler says nothing about a branch where it might not return anything.
1656087;1494805974;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's my understanding that the soul of c is exactly "compiler dun care about this".
1656088;1494805992;ben_vulpes;i am quite glad of the review.
1656089;1494806003;ben_vulpes;possibly the most timely in my tenure with the republic!
1656090;1494806032;mircea_popescu;it might be the first time i had something cogent to say about code.
1656091;1494806487;ben_vulpes;(helps that folks are generally familiar with the base code.)
1656092;1494807196;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1656038 << prototype prototypes.
1656093;1494807196;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 22:11 ben_vulpes: one wrinkle that occurred to me as i tested this patch against a not-completely synced node this afternoon is that satoshi's early transactions were all of the "pay to pubkey" variety, and not today's standard "pay to pubkey hash" breed.
1656094;1494807353;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> we already arguably lost a contributor because he couldn't predict what we wouldn't like about the STYLE, rather than substance of his work. << i kinda agree that some type of loose style guide should be created and posted to minimize churn/rework to assimilate
1656095;1494810040;mircea_popescu;yeah, mebbe just talk about it a little.
1656096;1494810515;mircea_popescu;incidentally, speaking of buried tech : ~nobody credits diderot with the first coherent rejection of "intelligent design", but lettre sur les aveugles.
1656097;1494810958;mircea_popescu;gutenberg statistics ? 24 downloads for regrets sur ma vieille robe de chambre. in a fucking decade. because, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653782
1656098;1494810958;a111;Logged on 2017-05-09 13:04 asciilifeform: it is possible that solitary prisoners go mad from simple boredom. notice that nobody is ever imprisoned in a library.
1656099;1494811124;asciilifeform;dunno that you get modem in solitary. or there'd be a queue to sit.
1656100;1494811189;mircea_popescu;library has naught to do with modems.
1656101;1494811237;asciilifeform;gutenberg download counts do.
1656102;1494811251;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1656068 << waiwat, who?!
1656103;1494811251;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 23:47 mircea_popescu: we already arguably lost a contributor because he couldn't predict what we wouldn't like about the STYLE, rather than substance of his work.
1656104;1494811261;mircea_popescu;well, the reasoning was, "as they can't be bothered to read online while out ; so can't they be bothered to read books while in"
1656105;1494811270;mircea_popescu;the polarbeard fellow, i thought.
1656106;1494811301;asciilifeform;i disagree that it was about 'style'
1656107;1494811318;mircea_popescu;whyssat ?
1656108;1494811460;asciilifeform;was about megapatches that mangle 25 subsystems at once
1656109;1494811473;mircea_popescu;style.
1656110;1494811478;asciilifeform;imho it is a style-crosses-into-substance
1656111;1494811494;mircea_popescu;perhaps ; but it's not clearly out of the crossing yet, so it may be counted.
1656112;1494811618;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i like paper and generally avoid gutenberg when possible
1656113;1494811624;asciilifeform;the formatting is yuck
1656114;1494811641;asciilifeform;and additionally english is yuck
1656115;1494811670;asciilifeform;( i can put up with one headache, or the other, but not both )
1656116;1494811865;mircea_popescu;my problems are exactly opposite : http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/#selection-23.0-27.60
1656117;1494811920;asciilifeform;yeah i remember that mircea_popescu has forsaken paper -- he is ready for space launch.
1656118;1494811951;mircea_popescu;paper is a miserable fit for the manner in which i read. one day ima actually manage to put into algo form the sort of tree i wish to see
1656119;1494811955;mircea_popescu;ast for literature, fancy that.
1656120;1494811964;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1656035 << do say moar, trinque
1656121;1494811964;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 22:10 trinque: no need to rush on my account, plenty of strange acts of serial cable mangling and other perversions on my end yet
1656122;1494812059;*;asciilifeform dug garden, trimmed trees, changed lanterns, brb, horizontal
1656123;1494817039;BingoBoingo;The only problem with Mazda wenkels is the stupid insistence on oil injection instead of just running a 2-cycle petroil mix
1656124;1494820294;mircea_popescu;o brother, this was one of those total oil loss systems was it ?
1656125;1494822889;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was !
1656126;1494822923;mircea_popescu;heh
1656127;1494822933;mircea_popescu;stupid fucking idea, that.
1656128;1494823242;asciilifeform;in theory was to give a less stupid elsewhere in mechanism.
1656129;1494823270;mircea_popescu;i guess. there's ~no way to compensate that loss of mass though.
1656130;1494823930;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/491B14123C0A1462D6FA0D215E2B288DF2EB4240F34281463E6608A2C70677F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...8943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '61.19.249.128 (ssh-rsa key from 61.19.249.128 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TH)
1656131;1494823930;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/491B14123C0A1462D6FA0D215E2B288DF2EB4240F34281463E6608A2C70677F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1699...5459 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '61.19.249.128 (ssh-rsa key from 61.19.249.128 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TH)
1656132;1494824658;BingoBoingo;The wankel is indeed a total oil loss system, which means FU PETROIL!
1656133;1494824695;BingoBoingo;But no, instead they wanna fake boring ole normal and instead the moo cows moo "Leak! Leak!"
1656134;1494825034;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/279B4893BA48D6D4C86CBC5F0FBE8F4CAE794DE107F923335946D49DCF88AD37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1471...3069 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.4.151 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.4.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-4-151.ghst.net. FR)
1656135;1494825034;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/279B4893BA48D6D4C86CBC5F0FBE8F4CAE794DE107F923335946D49DCF88AD37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1794...6813 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.4.151 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.4.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-4-151.ghst.net. FR)
1656136;1494825144;*;BingoBoingo today had to console poor fellow who burdened himself with a 4-cycle string trimmer "It seems to not be that powerful" "Of course it's not, there's half as many power strokes"
1656137;1494827609;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dun follow ?
1656138;1494828965;BingoBoingo;The wankel being a 4-stroke, or poor fellow who misadventured on 4-stroke strimmer getting jewed of of half the power strokes he'd have on a 2-cycle
1656139;1494829262;BingoBoingo;But wankel while a 4-stroke is a total loss design that even has oil injection, a feature usually reserved for larger 2-strokes
1656140;1494832651;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/doge-doldrums-drum-on/ << Qntra - Doge Doldrums Drum On
1656141;1494833137;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: palmer link broken
1656142;1494847235;shinohai;http://archive.is/Hv1n6   <<< Who will stop the Great Again? -- Preeeeeeeeet
1656143;1494854714;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626725 << actually i want to try this sometime, too, any chance you've already fiddled with it pete_dushenski? :D
1656144;1494854714;a111;Logged on 2017-03-14 03:18 pete_dushenski: open q : anyone tried this (or other) intel me 'cleaner' ? https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/wiki/How-does-it-work%3F
1656145;1494856967;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol, the butthurt of the idiot indian. he was already seeing himself consul, what do we mean his career is finished ?!?!?! CAN NOT BEEE!!11
1656146;1494857026;mircea_popescu;"scholar in residence", they wouldn't even give him a chair. NYU ffs! next step down was what, supervising the used sportsbras of the ohio state sluts ?
1656147;1494857261;shinohai;I was trying to think of how to spin a Qntra out of it, but it was quite lulzy on it's own.
1656148;1494857267;mircea_popescu;aha
1656149;1494857296;mircea_popescu;maybe he never overcomes the moment, spends rest of his life cringing over this, like a sort of lefty rms.
1656150;1494857301;mircea_popescu;would be pretty cool.
1656151;1494857377;shinohai;He can always learn 2 write shitty javascript and sell crap on fivver like all the other pajeets.
1656152;1494857516;mircea_popescu;but he thought he is a speshul pajeet!
1656153;1494857722;shinohai;He is, if I ever find some Indian city willing to accept Bitcoin in exchange for naming a designated shitting street after him, I will gladly memorialize him.
1656154;1494857918;mircea_popescu;phf` suppose this morning you have to read l'histoire de mademoiselle cronel ditte fretilon. because whatever, as part of your plurious activities you're helping a girl get a place off the ground and being a serious agent you scoop the quarries of truth quite that deep. what now ?
1656155;1494857965;mircea_popescu;i dun feel like paying amazon 30 bux because who the fuck are they, not like they helped me know i hafta read this, and not like there can exist another merit ; i dun feel like waiting till they deliver. i did see the book at one point, in library, of course, which is how i know it exists, but i'm not going back there to read a book.
1656156;1494858591;mod6;mornin'
1656157;1494858691;mircea_popescu;hola
1656158;1494858702;diana_coman;hi mod6
1656159;1494858763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no 13337w4r3zscan seems to exist, aha
1656160;1494858783;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: send a gurl to library with a minox ?
1656161;1494858817;mircea_popescu;but the overarching point is that a life of the spirit requires you read books you DIDNT read before. re-reading the same books you already know is a dubious benefit.
1656162;1494858823;asciilifeform;aha!
1656163;1494858845;mircea_popescu;works well enough if one decides to be say, a playwright. all you need is already published and already known, learn greek and latin and go ahead.
1656164;1494858855;mircea_popescu;but some people are not specific things. what's they to do.
1656165;1494858855;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the monkey house, https://archive.is/LS3sn >> 'And by the way, I think we can successfully make Zcash too traceable for criminals like WannaCry, but still completely private & fungible' -- zooko (perpetrator of subj scamcoin)
1656166;1494858885;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they end up with 20k tomes and get laughed at by mircea_popescu for 'hoarding dead tree'
1656167;1494858887;mircea_popescu;the meteoric path of that young careerist is quite amusing. started rather impressively, fell right in the shitter.
1656168;1494858893;*;shinohai wrote Qntra on that, hasn't yet been published
1656169;1494858912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not for hoarding dead tree per se, but for attempting to apply a linear solution to a nonlinear problem WAY past the point where the mismatch should have become obvious.
1656170;1494858948;mircea_popescu;i also hoard dead tree, it's called furniture. but in that application works fabulously well, the absence of a different couch does in no way detract from the damsel's moans who's overturned on it.
1656171;1494858964;asciilifeform;woah -- mircea_popescu stopped leasing furniture?!
1656172;1494859006;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform associates the practice with mircea_popescu , he had never met anyone else, afaik, who did it )
1656173;1494859030;mircea_popescu;nope, still renting furnished!
1656174;1494859038;mircea_popescu;but at least i don't throw it all out the window, so there's that.
1656175;1494859077;asciilifeform;i'll grudgingly agree with the folx who remind that the correct thing to do with a rare b00k is to scan it, not to hoard it like koschei's treasures
1656176;1494859108;asciilifeform;but it's a whole-day chore ( if done correctly ) with current tech. so ~nobody bothers.
1656177;1494859122;mircea_popescu;hoarding it like ~ is borne of a very flattering view of humanity, supposing somehow that the worms could also not be worms, if $magic, such as you know, reading a book.
1656178;1494859126;mircea_popescu;experience shows they could not and do not.
1656179;1494859133;asciilifeform;well so's scanning, by same token
1656180;1494859155;mircea_popescu;you just scan it to carry it easier-ly.
1656181;1494859176;mircea_popescu;"here's this process makes the leaf impervious and weightless, sir. or would you prefer we gild the covers instead ?"
1656182;1494859182;asciilifeform;lolyeah
1656183;1494859197;asciilifeform;now it only if it also retained same readability !
1656184;1494859217;mircea_popescu;"yea, please, more gilding, and use thicker leaf, maybe i manage to sink in earth like a raft adrift the oceans."
1656185;1494859333;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/x3RZM >> 'The Allianz Deutscher Demokraten (ADD), a political party in Germany founded by Turkish-Germans, has faced another obstacle after their bank account was shut down for the fourth time for no reason.'
1656186;1494859335;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "au-deflus des plus fenefees reflexions"!
1656187;1494859450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check out this lulz : in order to open a bank account, ALL banks of costa rica require the company present them with a PROJECTED CASH FLOW! supposedly because there's some law so requiring them, which i dun much credit, but i do intend to find a lawyer and ask their local constitutional court. in any case, all this supposedly because "since 9/11 the ustards forced them to", which is obviously lulzy since the ust
1656188;1494859450;mircea_popescu;ards DONT actuallty require that themselves.
1656189;1494859474;asciilifeform;tru!! they do not
1656190;1494859489;asciilifeform;they do require a postal addr that isn't a box, lulzily
1656191;1494859517;asciilifeform;( what it did , is to prop up 10,001 previously unknown scamolade service where you get 'shared office' )
1656192;1494859595;mircea_popescu;aha.
1656193;1494859826;*;Framedragger had to supply a coupla raised invoices in UK for bank to say "mk this bzns looks like serious bzns". felt dodgy (i can raise invoice to ur mom)
1656194;1494859947;mircea_popescu;since when the fuck is bank allowed to judge, what is this, soviets ?
1656195;1494860004;*;mircea_popescu also refused to get himself "good fiscal behaviour" certificate when rotards came up with "requiring" such nonsense. they nearly fell over.
1656196;1494860023;asciilifeform;not as if 'free world' 'bank' were a private org. rather than a crown organ where plebe is to put his meager savings for ease of requisitioning.
1656197;1494860051;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's actually a public utility. has absolutely no right over the usage of its monopoly, much like electric co can't cut your power.
1656198;1494860061;asciilifeform;сберкасса.
1656199;1494860102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not in this reich, it ain't. bank can unplug whoever. and charge $maxint, say, if it wants.
1656200;1494860108;asciilifeform;against a 0 balance, even.
1656201;1494860116;mircea_popescu;i don't live in that reich.
1656202;1494860133;asciilifeform;apparently it isn't contained.
1656203;1494860165;mircea_popescu;apparently a bunch of idiots watch too much netflix and don't encounter nearly enough clubs to the mouth to know better than trying to apply in life what they saw in the cartoons.
1656204;1494860175;mircea_popescu;but i carry a large stick, and dun mind hurting people.
1656205;1494860453;asciilifeform;meanwhile, microshit fud agency working overtime, https://archive.is/Hd2S6 >> 'Microsoft has criticized the NSA for their major role in spreading the WannaCry ransomware epidemic which paralyzed hundreds of thousands of computers worldwide. The tech giant urged governments to use and store their cyber warfare tools responsibly.'
1656206;1494860477;mircea_popescu;lol, usg.ms duking it out with usg.nsa over the fact that they got publicly raped a little ?
1656207;1494860494;asciilifeform;playing a rape scene for camera.
1656208;1494860517;mircea_popescu;"oh, the soviets got defeated by a buncha chukas, but it is not the peace&defense ministry's fault! it's the supplies&items ministry's fault!"
1656209;1494860551;asciilifeform;( i'd guess even the furnace stokers at microshit grasp that the entire operation is very little more than a factory for nsa pwnholes )
1656210;1494860617;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : how to fix idiotic (fixed width paragraph) documents ? s/\n\n/\r\r/ s/\n// s/\r/\n/. thanks god for idiotic newline alternatives.
1656211;1494860632;asciilifeform;'dos2unix' also worx
1656212;1494860634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure, but that makes no difference.
1656213;1494860638;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how does it work ?
1656214;1494860648;asciilifeform;or hm nm, not same problem
1656215;1494860668;mircea_popescu;no, problem is someone somewhere IS FUCKING IDIOTIC ENOUGH to touch the enter key for any other reason than end of paragraph.
1656216;1494860699;mircea_popescu;then unix crapola has non-flowing text because hey, let's be idiots.
1656217;1494860719;asciilifeform;i disagree
1656218;1494860725;asciilifeform;CONTROL over where paragraph breaks
1656219;1494860736;asciilifeform;where line breaks.
1656220;1494860746;asciilifeform;the alternative to mid-word idiotbreaks is 'dwim' attempt
1656221;1494860749;asciilifeform;which also dunwork.
1656222;1494860757;mircea_popescu;fu. it's not your fucking problem. your paragraph is a line. how (or whether) that line is broken is the problem of whoever displays it.
1656223;1494860762;mircea_popescu;stop being a fucking web designer in your spare time.
1656224;1494860768;asciilifeform;not if it's a line of code, it aint
1656225;1494860773;mircea_popescu;yes, it is.
1656226;1494860795;asciilifeform;there is not even necessarily a correct place to break it.
1656227;1494860808;mircea_popescu;so ? let the whoever views it do whatever they deem fit.
1656228;1494860827;asciilifeform;the number of displaytrons that exist, that can do this, is 0.
1656229;1494860834;mircea_popescu;your job is to write your line of code well ; not to "ensure" random person you don't nor can know LOOKS AT IT FROM THE RIGFHT ANGLE
1656230;1494860835;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1656231;1494860861;asciilifeform;fact. there is not a proggy that will intelligently, cleanly, break lines of code in every known lang
1656232;1494860865;mircea_popescu;so ?
1656233;1494860867;asciilifeform;so that i can print it on dotmatrix printer.
1656234;1494860884;mircea_popescu;let. the. owner. of. proggy. solve. HIS FUCKING PROBLEMS.
1656235;1494860908;asciilifeform;those of us who aren't mircea_popescu and have to clean own piles of shit, or they DON'T GET CLEANED, might disagree.
1656236;1494860934;mircea_popescu;otherwise you're right back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652460
1656237;1494860934;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 04:44 fromloper: I have NDA access, so I have slightly better documentation (but still shit and incomplete). Business decision. Intel only because that's where 95% of the market is. Also easier to do security research on ME and AMT if you can step through, which needs JTAG as well.
1656238;1494860960;asciilifeform;think of line breaks as a comment.
1656239;1494860977;asciilifeform;it is quite considerably easier to s/\n\n/\r\r/ s/\n// s/\r/\n/ --- than to put'em back IN
1656240;1494860984;mircea_popescu;mno. i'm thinking of them as what they are -- the author being mentally slow, and attempting the equivalent of ajax in my fucking text file.
1656241;1494860991;Framedragger;so instead of writing code i now need to write a code editor which can break code lines code-semantically? :/
1656242;1494860994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i never want them.
1656243;1494861005;mircea_popescu;Framedragger why ?
1656244;1494861014;mircea_popescu;nano fro instance doesn't break them at all.
1656245;1494861015;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656231
1656246;1494861015;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 15:07 asciilifeform: fact. there is not a proggy that will intelligently, cleanly, break lines of code in every known lang
1656247;1494861022;asciilifeform;I WON'T HORIZONTALSCROLL
1656248;1494861028;Framedragger;yes and i hate nano, it's horrible for long lines
1656249;1494861030;asciilifeform;nobody can ever make me. everyone can go and pound sand.
1656250;1494861038;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but WHY IS IT EVEN IN THERE!
1656251;1494861038;asciilifeform;and likewise will not edit code in nano or any similar.
1656252;1494861062;mircea_popescu;Framedragger im not proposing it be used, i'm just lulzing at the whole nonsense.
1656253;1494861077;Framedragger;ah, well then yeah, it's pretty luzly :D tis true
1656254;1494861101;mircea_popescu;anyway. you're telling me you can't read code broken on space like sane wordwrap does ?
1656255;1494861108;asciilifeform;nope.
1656256;1494861120;mircea_popescu;whyssat ?
1656257;1494861135;asciilifeform;well for one thing, it ain't valid, in , say , c
1656258;1494861139;asciilifeform;( in a macro def, say )
1656259;1494861149;asciilifeform;for another, it fucks up indentation
1656260;1494861153;asciilifeform;which is the only sane way to read lisps
1656261;1494861160;Framedragger;code can't scroll horizontally, breaks too many things. e.g. visual selection of blocks. needs to literally-fit-in-head horizontal-wise
1656262;1494861162;asciilifeform;(indentation MUST remain as author put it )
1656263;1494861176;mircea_popescu;in my experience line of code that exceeds viewport is in all cases an example of badly written code.
1656264;1494861179;asciilifeform;python, say, or fortran, will not even build if you lose indent
1656265;1494861193;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in this we agree. but how big is the viewport ?
1656266;1494861200;mircea_popescu;as big as you fucking feel like.
1656267;1494861207;asciilifeform;not physically possible.
1656268;1494861215;mircea_popescu;and if you try to read people with viewport larger than yours, either buy a better system or live with your inferiority.
1656269;1494861222;asciilifeform;if yours is 120col and mine is 80, now you are demanding that i horizontalscroll.
1656270;1494861223;asciilifeform;and i won;t.
1656271;1494861239;mircea_popescu;no. i am simply saying i am a better man than you. and you will either 120 or live with knowing this.
1656272;1494861252;asciilifeform;tell me where i can buy an ips lcd that gives more than 80 reasonably sized fixedwidthchars when turned to god's proper orientation (vertical) and i'll buy.
1656273;1494861262;mircea_popescu;hey.
1656274;1494861266;mircea_popescu;fix your own problems.
1656275;1494861271;asciilifeform;i'ma ignore this nonsense coming from a fella who doesn't program.
1656276;1494861283;*;Framedragger has not-great eyesight and prefers traditional 80col, worx great
1656277;1494861285;asciilifeform;even if he has 64 parallel-operating 12 metre cocks.
1656278;1494861293;mircea_popescu;what, it's nonsense because we don't share the same incentives to misrepresent the facts ?
1656279;1494861362;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to say "this fellow has no idea what the fuck he's saying" ; it's quite another to say "this fellow doesn't know of our hardships!". the former's an argument. the latter...
1656280;1494861446;asciilifeform;it is very easy to prescribe that pilot's yoke should be shaped like pair of tits, if you are not and not at any risk of working as pilot.
1656281;1494861478;mircea_popescu;i am a bash programmer!
1656282;1494861501;asciilifeform;and i usedto be an asm programmer, 20 columns is all i needed, lol
1656283;1494861504;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, it's not for a living". no, it's not, it's for a dying ;/
1656284;1494861505;asciilifeform;(on a bad day!)
1656285;1494861560;mircea_popescu;is the substance of disagreement that you want things to read like
1656286;1494861563;mircea_popescu;while {
1656287;1494861564;mircea_popescu;do stuff
1656288;1494861569;mircea_popescu;as opposed to while { do stuff ?
1656289;1494861611;asciilifeform;poorly chosen example
1656290;1494861638;mircea_popescu;because yes, your lisp code should be line=paragraph, and your ide should properly expand the parens, and afaik / afaies it DOES.
1656291;1494861657;asciilifeform;if it does, that's a diff-creating operation
1656292;1494861658;mircea_popescu;that the rest of the crap ~dun work that way... hey. i thought that's mostly why you don't like the rest of the crap in the first place
1656293;1494861662;asciilifeform;and the vdiff becomes unreadable.
1656294;1494861666;mircea_popescu;(not for the direct, but for the failure implicit)
1656295;1494861670;asciilifeform;this is EXACTLY the tab-sizes thread with mircea_popescu from year ago.
1656296;1494861676;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1656297;1494861696;asciilifeform;and yes in 'proper comp' code would be stored as an ast, and not as ascii linear turd.
1656298;1494861702;asciilifeform;but we dun have one.
1656299;1494861706;mircea_popescu;to put it another way :
1656300;1494861707;asciilifeform;nor any tools that rely on such.
1656301;1494861724;mircea_popescu;it is INCREDIBLY lulzy to catch fire at "string = number" but to tolerate "my program is a strring hurr"
1656302;1494861750;asciilifeform;however on bright side!: mircea_popescu will quite like, i suspect, 'P' : all nonprinting octets are NOPs in P.
1656303;1494861767;mircea_popescu;why the fuck can't i add the string 68 with the numeral 7 to get the real 74.99999999 as god intended ? it's ALL STRINGS YES ?
1656304;1494861774;asciilifeform;               when Character'Val(0) .. Character'Val(32) =>
1656305;1494861774;asciilifeform;                  null;
1656306;1494861775;asciilifeform;               when Character'Val(127) .. Character'Val(255) =>
1656307;1494861775;asciilifeform;                  null;
1656308;1494861780;asciilifeform;^ excerpt.
1656309;1494861781;mircea_popescu;ha!
1656310;1494861882;Framedragger;semantic diff would of course be spiffy, there is that.
1656311;1494861891;Framedragger;neat asciilifeform..
1656312;1494861906;mircea_popescu;no, Framedragger , it wouldn't be neat. it would be normal. code-as-ascii-string diff fundamentally can't work.
1656313;1494861921;Framedragger;yesyes, meanwhile i'll go and pretend i have a computer!
1656314;1494861925;mircea_popescu;aok then.
1656315;1494861933;asciilifeform;( anybody recalls asciilifeform's crackpot diff thread ? it was more or less 'p prog in disguise')
1656316;1494861936;mircea_popescu;THIS MUST BE BECAUSE ~I~ AM NOT A PROGRAMMER.
1656317;1494861950;mircea_popescu;you know, unlike you people, tru drivers of your imaginary tractors / flying veyrons.
1656318;1494861950;Framedragger;well that's one way to stay sane!
1656319;1494861956;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596583 << thread.
1656320;1494861956;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: this is to abolish the line-based idiocy of unix diff.
1656321;1494861992;Framedragger;ast-based-diff does imply getting rid of 'line' concept in source, doesn't it
1656322;1494861998;asciilifeform;verily.
1656323;1494862011;mircea_popescu;well, i see it absorbed in paragraph, but whatever. item, how'd you call the thing.
1656324;1494862034;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit is that lines are quite like 'stick shift' auto. an anachronism, but the supposed automation is not ~quite~ there.
1656325;1494862055;mircea_popescu;the humanities tradition is that meaningful text (eg law) is quoted by page and paragraph, whereas meaningless text (eg, ehtnological notation) is quoted by page and line.
1656326;1494862085;asciilifeform;human-speech generally doesn't nest >1level.
1656327;1494862097;mircea_popescu;depends who's the human speaking.
1656328;1494862107;mircea_popescu;but yes, peon outpour is generally linear.
1656329;1494862118;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: this explains why modern analytic philosophy got rid of paragraph notation (cf. kant and, like, everyone else), hmm...
1656330;1494862119;asciilifeform;and human-text with quotes-within-quotes begins to resemble fortran.
1656331;1494862130;mircea_popescu;or trilema.
1656332;1494862176;mircea_popescu;Framedragger and why ~nobody sane calls some randomly chosen species of the "reality tv show" "modern philosophy".
1656333;1494862248;mircea_popescu;you understand the difference between baudrillard and simona trasca is the packaging only, yes ?
1656334;1494862417;Framedragger;test
1656335;1494862449;Framedragger;sorry, problems with connection
1656336;1494862452;mod6;ding
1656337;1494862455;Framedragger;ty
1656338;1494862468;Framedragger;(from irc backlog) eh, there's ~passable stuff, like chalmers (actually vaguely referenced in logs) etc
1656339;1494862476;Framedragger;but yeah. also paragraph notion vaguely relates to "log ranges" concept (which i haven't developed any further, yet.) l1 folx give labels to log line ranges; these 'breaks' can then visibly (not obnoxiously) appear in online logotron.
1656340;1494862489;mircea_popescu;sure, and the tv on occasion has hot chicks that are a pleasure in private. i know. so ?
1656341;1494862490;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656333 << who is the latter? :D
1656342;1494862490;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 15:30 mircea_popescu: you understand the difference between baudrillard and simona trasca is the packaging only, yes ?
1656343;1494862521;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hm so you would dismiss say the whole internalism/externalism debate as effectively tv show, then? :D
1656344;1494862521;mircea_popescu;random $50 an hour ro tv starlet. google images shows you the... well, you know, normal face, they all look the same.
1656345;1494862547;Framedragger;aha ic
1656346;1494862554;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i would dismiss the whole "public intellectual" v 5.0 as entirely like the tv starlet. they ALSO all sound the same.
1656347;1494862560;mircea_popescu;!!up fd_ghetto
1656348;1494862561;deedbot;fd_ghetto voiced for 30 minutes.
1656349;1494862577;mircea_popescu;the girls stuff their lips with silicon etc, the boys use certain textual devices, whatever.
1656350;1494862588;fd_ghetto;(sorry, very shoddy irc connection all of the sudden. ping is stable so not sure wtf)
1656351;1494862667;Framedragger;heh re textual devices, i guess i have to agree. baudrillard... i liked it when i first read simulation/simulacra. yes it was pretty vapous, i mean, beyond the "map != territory but depends how you use words, kid!!", summarised in a paragraph or two... so, sure
1656352;1494862681;mircea_popescu;and it dun has anything to do with the french style of going on tv. anglo derp sitting in his office "writing" for "peer reviewed" etc is not doing anything different. it's just a shitty tv channel nobody tunes in, the nature channel, the peer reviewed channel, etc.
1656353;1494862716;Framedragger;i don't have a strong case but don't consider all of analytic philosophy to be just "public intellectuals". a *large lot* of it, sure, so makes sense to just dismiss all of it for the sake of saving time / internal sanity
1656354;1494862731;mircea_popescu;there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.
1656355;1494862774;Framedragger;that's like some kind of anti-derrida
1656356;1494862784;Framedragger;(and hard to disagree)
1656357;1494862795;mircea_popescu;in the sense pointing and laughing is some kind of anti-mongoloid, sure.
1656358;1494862916;trinque;if one can't derive ought from is, and authority dispenses commands, not so hard to process.
1656359;1494862963;mircea_popescu;trinque or alternatively you could draw it directly from aristotle and the discussions of prime movers. though the subtleties of scholastics are not well understood by the "modern" mind.
1656360;1494863079;mircea_popescu;anyway, table stakes for derrida-ing, either as jacques or john, is writing that damned http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656241 as a universal errorless machine.
1656361;1494863079;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 15:09 Framedragger: so instead of writing code i now need to write a code editor which can break code lines code-semantically? :/
1656362;1494863110;mircea_popescu;of course, it's not generally the way of tv personalities to inquire what'd be the table stakes. they're just there, right ?
1656363;1494863159;Framedragger;so much heat
1656364;1494863167;mircea_popescu;welcome to hell.
1656365;1494863223;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-26#1416370 << oblig
1656366;1494863223;a111;Logged on 2016-02-26 22:57 phf: ^- http://buttersafe.com/comics/2008-10-23-Detour.jpg
1656367;1494863259;mircea_popescu;lmao
1656368;1494863332;mircea_popescu;heck, you could actually draw it out of the kuhn-popper theory of paradigm.
1656369;1494863792;asciilifeform;( oblig. mega-thread re aristotle & co, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587301 )
1656370;1494863792;a111;Logged on 2016-12-21 18:43 mircea_popescu: now we understand each other. dutch can't be "wrong" about aristotle per se. it is a fact he didn't much understand what the other said ; and it is a fact that in the dutch system, dutch's observations stand, however vaguely greek flavoured they may be.
1656371;1494863811;mircea_popescu;aha.
1656372;1494864378;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587264 << so delightfully naive, in retrospect. "oh, the reason alphabet doesn't work is that the meaning of words gets lost through thousands of years, but if only they had slideshare then! the wholly contentless meaningless diagram is eternal -- nothing there to lose!"
1656373;1494864378;a111;Logged on 2016-12-21 18:18 jurov: heh, nice example how alphabet is inferior to diagrams. if aristotle had drawn a diagrams that would survive to this day, no translation needed
1656374;1494864401;mircea_popescu;i should open a bank offering 100% guaranteed deposits -- for the poor.
1656375;1494864578;mircea_popescu;somehow the observation that they could read aristotle in the middle ages but couldn't read egyptian until 1800s doth not bother the diagramist.
1656376;1494864672;asciilifeform;maybe because egyptian is hieroglyphic, not diagramatic ?
1656377;1494864680;mircea_popescu;somehow the fact aristotle is a major source of quotes today in europe, but fukantothmoth or w/e her name was isn't a source of anything for "the great nation of africa" idem dun bother. why the fuck is it that i can recide names of ancient members of the republic of letters to fill an orthodox pomelnik for a full mass, and nobody can name three fucking egyptian authors he likes. supposedly they taught our barbarians magic an
1656378;1494864680;mircea_popescu;d mapmaking!
1656379;1494864683;asciilifeform;i.e. the glyphs do not carry meaning with raw geometry
1656380;1494864697;asciilifeform;the idiot yahweh book is even bigger source of quotage.
1656381;1494864700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or maybe because the hope that diagrams won't pile up and evolve to hieroglyphs entirely baseless ?
1656382;1494864700;asciilifeform;now wat.
1656383;1494864712;mircea_popescu;they already fucking copy/paste the slides into a shannonized mess.
1656384;1494864726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now nothing, torah is alphabetic.
1656385;1494864802;mircea_popescu;carrying meaning with raw geometry. if only. the easier case for this would be "carrying love with naked penis", ie, raping your way into marriage. that has better chances of working than the meaning of sheer existence.
1656386;1494864809;asciilifeform;all known humlangs are alphabetic or hieroglyphic. diagram is neither here nor there, it is a narrowly specialized thing
1656387;1494864826;asciilifeform;(written langs, monkeys not counted)
1656388;1494864832;mircea_popescu;like any nonsense, it claims no parentage. but no, it is a primitive kind of hieroglyphism.
1656389;1494864866;asciilifeform;do we have to do the 'find me whoever willing to work with humlang representation of electric circuit as the primary working medium' thread again..?
1656390;1494864920;mircea_popescu;the fact that you get an erection watching a picture of Anne rather than reading "Anne spent her days naked and her tits were big and milky" is no argument as to the ~meaning~. your erections ain't meaningful.
1656391;1494864962;asciilifeform;ain't about aesthetics, but about whether or not $machine ends up built.
1656392;1494864972;asciilifeform;and there is a reason why aristotles build 0 machines.
1656393;1494864977;mircea_popescu;i live among a people who prefer textual renditions of paths to actual map usage, or cartesian addressing mechanisms. the notion that you have a more direct understanding of some house by saying "Fuckenstrasse 17" than by saying "turn left art the church and follow the tit stamps on the sidewalk" is ...
1656394;1494864982;asciilifeform;('because they are better men!' will say mircea_popescu .)
1656395;1494865005;mircea_popescu;i am unaware of this machine you built. last i recall, we're still at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656316
1656396;1494865005;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 15:25 mircea_popescu: THIS MUST BE BECAUSE ~I~ AM NOT A PROGRAMMER.
1656397;1494865013;mircea_popescu;aristotle built plenty of machines that didn't work also.
1656398;1494865044;mircea_popescu;he had a whole workshop producing cutlery devoid of handles but missing the business end.
1656399;1494865101;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08239664E1641E8FB70737E2B951674A70E78F9970B49E2B9A79E3E2332D6635 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1379...6713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.210.106.19 (ssh-rsa key from 207.210.106.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US GA)
1656400;1494865101;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08239664E1641E8FB70737E2B951674A70E78F9970B49E2B9A79E3E2332D6635 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1639...5677 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.210.106.19 (ssh-rsa key from 207.210.106.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US GA)
1656401;1494865221;Framedragger;one $sadthing re aristotle is that he did all his logic in verbal syllogisms. which is ~fine, but omg did predicate symbol notation help... and it took a long while. same with middle age logic (buridan et al, not an expert tho). guess knowing lating well helps a lot, tho :/
1656402;1494865251;Framedragger;middle ages*; latin*
1656403;1494865311;mircea_popescu;anyway, the amusing parallel ot all this is, of course, the "plain reading" of the us constitution.
1656404;1494865348;mircea_popescu;Framedragger latin is not so far off from predicate symbol notation in the first place, which easement did slow down the development of hte cleanner tool.
1656405;1494865367;mircea_popescu;how this works, whoever has nice weather ends up falling behind in textile mill development.
1656406;1494865385;mircea_popescu;quod me nutrit etcetera, vampyre class 101.
1656407;1494865433;mircea_popescu;btw, you know the famous case of buridan's ass yes ?
1656408;1494865464;Framedragger;the paradox re free will, been a long time tho
1656409;1494865488;mircea_popescu;yes, the ass that died of thirst and hunger being trapped equally thirsty and hungry at equal distance from a pail of water and a pail of oats.
1656410;1494865543;mircea_popescu;(amusingly enough, lots of "engineers" esp of the computing type display the behaviour.)
1656411;1494865553;Framedragger;if you constrain free will to rational-agent-acts only, then yeah, paradox applies.. right?
1656412;1494865578;Framedragger;"stochastic behaviour important part of agent!", something
1656413;1494865580;mircea_popescu;if you pretend "rationality" ie "i fucking love science" ie, meaning-afore-authority to be the prime mover.
1656414;1494865599;Framedragger;yeah i don't, heh
1656415;1494865604;mircea_popescu;the rest is just whitewash, mostly by people who imagine authority is something they can personally deny. speak truth to power or something.
1656416;1494865619;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BBD8FF209786D03FDE90EF4FDF81AA49EC013F11715FE31332CE5A7023B2F95 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1371...3537 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.139.51.192 (ssh-rsa key from 87.139.51.192 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.elementarbau.de. DE NW)
1656417;1494865619;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BBD8FF209786D03FDE90EF4FDF81AA49EC013F11715FE31332CE5A7023B2F95 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1699...8117 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.139.51.192 (ssh-rsa key from 87.139.51.192 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.hanse-haus.de. DE NW)
1656418;1494865810;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: devil's advocate: can attempt to resist where-to-go paradox without making reference to authority if you admit that agent's free will can also include (while still counting as free will) "unconscious heuristics" ("water is priority"; but yes this is missing the point, i guess) / "random behaviour" (buridan would disagree that this is "free will", i guess)
1656419;1494865817;Framedragger;but yeah i see the connection re thread
1656420;1494865830;mircea_popescu;sure, and then the "random" is the authority.
1656421;1494865844;Framedragger;yeah i guess so.
1656422;1494865855;mircea_popescu;because every time baby-thought runs into insurmountable problem, it runs off to mommy "random" box. which is not random to mommy now is it.
1656423;1494865896;Framedragger;(heh, this relates in my head re taleb's "trust yer biology!!" point (iterated in multiple places))
1656424;1494865967;mircea_popescu;whether you are obeying the words of darius, the greatest man-god to walk the sands around babylon, carried to your ears by a stout fellow in weird pajamas ; or the echoes of the voice of some dumb woman nobody liked, whom you'de irrationalyl decided is important beyond all else in nature ; or the strange flickers of a tube which "is impersonal and therefore truthful, pay no attention at the jew behind the screen", in point o
1656425;1494865968;mircea_popescu;f fact you predicate your meaning on preexisting authority.
1656426;1494866074;Framedragger;i suppose one cannot avoid this general structural, at least i can't, yeah. does wonders for my ongoing internal-anarchism debate :D
1656427;1494866091;Framedragger;(will produce text from mind if anything good comes up, but likely won't)
1656428;1494866101;Framedragger;structural point*
1656429;1494866113;mircea_popescu;without exception one claiming "i fucking love science" or "where can i find just the facts" or etcetera is merely rejecting what they perceive as the NORMAL authority, in favour of an unvoiced alternative they deem superior.
1656430;1494866170;mircea_popescu;the problem of course being that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655027
1656431;1494866170;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 00:57 mircea_popescu: how about "bitch, if you could know truth if it hit you on the head you'd be in power". not fucking evident enough ? how the fuck are the powerless to obtain truth, from their father, the god of the stupid ?
1656432;1494866190;mircea_popescu;cogent challenge to authority is a finnicky-er order than readily intuited by the desperate adolescent
1656433;1494866205;mircea_popescu;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653263
1656434;1494866205;a111;Logged on 2017-05-08 17:04 mircea_popescu: i don't think you either know or could meet if you dedicated a year to it someone possessed of an ai capable of identifying who the fuck to shoot.
1656435;1494866264;Framedragger;right.
1656436;1494866277;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where did the 'luvv science' thing come from originally ?
1656437;1494866297;asciilifeform;i've been seeing it for years and never knew
1656438;1494866358;mircea_popescu;was some black dude with tv show
1656439;1494866371;mircea_popescu;something with false color renderings of outer space telescope shots
1656440;1494866418;mircea_popescu;the idea being that "i fucking love britney spears because here's a painting of her in my bedroom" in 2004, "i fucking love science because here's a painting of science in my bedroom" 2005, then hs ended moved to dorm got stoned and plugged in all the holes.
1656441;1494866455;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656409 << funnily enough this is a serious problem in digital electronics,
1656442;1494866455;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 16:24 mircea_popescu: yes, the ass that died of thirst and hunger being trapped equally thirsty and hungry at equal distance from a pail of water and a pail of oats.
1656443;1494866460;mircea_popescu;sort of last-stop on the train ride between virginity and mother of two. nobody can recount what happened in the intervening decade
1656444;1494866461;asciilifeform;!#s metastable
1656445;1494866462;a111;7 results for "metastable", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=metastable
1656446;1494866488;mircea_popescu;though christina applegate did decent job in http://trilema.com/2016/vacation/
1656447;1494867784;asciilifeform;in other horrors: http://archive.is/67DN0
1656448;1494870094;mircea_popescu;i don't get what it is supposed to do ?
1656449;1494870107;asciilifeform;not obvious to asciilifeform either.
1656450;1494870117;mircea_popescu;rfid chip for your acrylics ?
1656451;1494870387;Framedragger;nfc => contactless payments, presumably. pay for condoms with finger
1656452;1494870511;mircea_popescu;maybe they could add them to foreskins, could pay per stroke.
1656453;1494870543;Framedragger;ejaculation charged extra, unless netfuxx subscription. where is my vc money?
1656454;1494870550;mircea_popescu;girls could charge by kinetic momentum / mass displacement / profile geometry etc. fairer.
1656455;1494870593;mircea_popescu;could get a ----- BEGIN DICK DESCRIPTOR ----- header that'd allow ytou to estimate upfront.
1656456;1494870602;mircea_popescu;"my dick's gnarlier but thicker than normal"
1656457;1494870676;Framedragger;worx for me as long as javascript callbacks are supported so developers can expand and add custom JS logic
1656458;1494870714;Framedragger;like, apple watch can start flashing when precum is estimated to be secreted
1656459;1494870759;Framedragger;just need to write a cashflow plan now!
1656460;1494870766;mircea_popescu;could make a whole bunch of "clever" romcoms around the newly upgraded mistaken identity comedy, omg his watch flashed.
1656461;1494870832;mircea_popescu;thanks god for progress, see, we can now re-do all the boccaccio which we pretend to not exist, because the old redos are no longer cogent of the new set of hyeroglyphs.
1656462;1494870837;mircea_popescu;best self-licking cone ever.
1656463;1494870848;asciilifeform;hey they were on vhs and nao bluray!111
1656464;1494870864;mircea_popescu;basically "modern culture" is strictly this : a special monkery where idiotic monks re-do the copying of old manuscripts in the font of the year.
1656465;1494870872;mircea_popescu;forever employed, and forever self-important.
1656466;1494870891;mircea_popescu;(no, it's not clear if monkery or monks is misspelled.)
1656467;1494871351;mircea_popescu;in the latest lulz re banking scams, third world banks discovered that if they just charge for wires anyway, notwitstanding sent OUR, nobody'll know the difference.
1656468;1494871405;mircea_popescu;i have nfi who imagines anyone would want to live in a world run by the bureaucrats in preference of a world run by the drug dealers. am i really supposed to believe a guy who always sells the amount he promises is not to be trusted with government, whereas a conclave of disgusting crows that never fail to break their promises are naturally recommended for the job ?
1656469;1494871427;mircea_popescu;fuck that shit, give me a country run by pimps and hookers, i do not want to see more "college educated" "respectable" schmucks raise head above water.
1656470;1494871500;*;ben_vulpes did turn all notifications off on all mobile devices
1656471;1494871523;ben_vulpes;it is abhorrent that apple decided to display who's texting me over my movies.
1656472;1494871539;mircea_popescu;no dude, everything is connected!!
1656473;1494871606;ben_vulpes;fuckoff.sh
1656474;1494871638;*;asciilifeform has one !
1656475;1494871677;ben_vulpes;;)
1656476;1494871926;asciilifeform;only the filename, mindyou.
1656477;1494871985;Framedragger;ah, ssh blackhole-shell!
1656478;1494872141;ben_vulpes;sadly, the only fuckoff.sh for new apple retardation is not buying apple products
1656479;1494872153;ben_vulpes;"oh gosh, you know i think i'm too old to learn a new ui"
1656480;1494872178;mircea_popescu;the only fuckoff.sh for not having a dilated asshole and insulted prostate is... not taking cock up the ass. sadly ? I THINK NOT!!!
1656481;1494872182;ben_vulpes;"baby you are entirely capable of deducing what the new buttons do, i don't want to hear that kind of nonsense from you any more."
1656482;1494872184;mircea_popescu;i didn't want cock up my ass in the first place.
1656483;1494872202;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it was a pussy when i first got in bed.
1656484;1494872206;ben_vulpes;went trans.
1656485;1494872237;mircea_popescu;i heard of those!
1656486;1494874055;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/zooko-proposes-undermining-alread-questionable-privacy-measure-while-remaining-complete/ << Qntra - Zooko Proposes Undermining Alread Questionable Privacy Measure While Remaining Complete
1656487;1494875118;BingoBoingo;In the "Sad That Not Scammed Files": You need to stop giving a fuck about how your car looks. I was cross shopping clean RSX-Ss against my CRZ, and I got a bargain basement CRZ at $7500. You paid $2300, maybe a third of what a nice one costs. The only amazing thing here is that you are stunned that your car that cost a third of "what it should" has tons of problems.
1656488;1494875541;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/new-plastic-definitely-not-sterling-uk-pound-notes-cut-noses/ << Qntra - New Plastic (Definitely Not Sterling) UK Pound Notes Cut Noses
1656489;1494875779;ben_vulpes;kek
1656490;1494875804;ben_vulpes;reminds me of the story of the american producer visiting canada who refused to sniff the maple-scented bills, certain that he was being trolled.
1656491;1494876043;BingoBoingo;Wait, Canadian bills are diabetic?
1656492;1494876554;ben_vulpes;whaddaya mean?
1656493;1494876592;BingoBoingo;Diabetic urine smells like maple syrup
1656494;1494876624;ben_vulpes;weird
1656495;1494876641;ben_vulpes;i suppose then yes, except for the actually producing piss part.
1656496;1494876644;BingoBoingo;Nah, it's the body trying to control blood sugar by dumping it through the piss
1656497;1494876647;ben_vulpes;and not all.
1656498;1494876686;BingoBoingo;And as socialists candadians treat money and markets as a waste stream
1656499;1494878844;Framedragger;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-fix-global-warming/#comment-122042
1656500;1494878897;Framedragger;is it _not_ true* argh
1656501;1494879375;*;Framedragger realised the term "inflection point" was actually used in the article itself (in a footnote), in the sense i had in mind, so needless to say, not an original point
1656502;1494880942;Framedragger;also new weekly update on n-gate.com
1656503;1494880961;Framedragger;(author did not respond to query, before anyone asks)
1656504;1494881337;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ty for response, no follow-ups for now :)
1656505;1494881345;mircea_popescu;:p
1656506;1494881554;trinque;Framedragger: is this query "supposing there were a bomb under your ass and nothing you could do, what would you do?"
1656507;1494881603;trinque;siberian permafrost methane or w/e?
1656508;1494881662;shinohai; The motivation for creating the shitty database boils down to "the one we were using wasn't written in a hipster language."  <<< top kek
1656509;1494881670;Framedragger;trinque: hm, no, honestly the point *was* just about non-linearity. not about action or "hey we should hedge our bets just in case", etc.
1656510;1494881701;trinque;got it.
1656511;1494881709;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking thing is that for ~as long as there existed human culture, which is to say the greeks, it was both known, evident, and accepted that the situation of life on earth is precarious, and the party will end.
1656512;1494881715;Framedragger;i do not presently assign any high value towards AGW, but am also unsure of the "if there were a bomb, there definitely would be nothing to be done" part. i mean, i guess so, hm.
1656513;1494881724;mircea_popescu;it took however the dumbest generation of narcissists in history to make this astral point personal.
1656514;1494881742;mircea_popescu;"the sun was walking down shithead avenue in maryland, and as it sat down at the starbucks it felt a ..."
1656515;1494881745;mircea_popescu;wtf already.
1656516;1494881749;trinque;I asked because what occurred to me is that "AGW" is a fine excuse for the sniveling neuroses of the present generation.
1656517;1494881758;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1656518;1494881768;trinque;tlp came to mind also, ofc.
1656519;1494881769;Framedragger;oh yeah, such a great channel, occupy the oceans!
1656520;1494881796;Framedragger;channel for anxiety, i mean
1656521;1494881848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as if the greeks were alone in 'the party will end'
1656522;1494881856;asciilifeform;just about everybody, from aztec to viking
1656523;1494881864;mircea_popescu;this is what i said. or tried to.
1656524;1494881894;Framedragger;yeah, i guess it's a about the general point anyway. with not much particular matter left
1656525;1494881988;mircea_popescu;whatever, they're too fucking smart and in charge of things and matters to be catholics like "those beasts" of "the dark ages". too busy getting "just the facts" and "drawing their own conclusions" so as to be polytheistic dorks like the aztecs, the harappan, and whatever other tribes forgotten through disuse.
1656526;1494882002;mircea_popescu;they're gonna sacrifice preet bharara's arsehole to maintain the sun's power levels.
1656527;1494882257;mircea_popescu;(speaking of which, the harappan steatites remain undeciphered -- not that people've not tried.)
1656528;1494882265;mircea_popescu;all hail diagrams!
1656529;1494882277;asciilifeform;hieroglyphs
1656530;1494882286;mircea_popescu;no, quite actual diagrams.
1656531;1494882288;asciilifeform;dirty thinking dun do the argument any good.
1656532;1494882300;asciilifeform;if i can't tell wtf it is by looking at it, it ain't a diagram.
1656533;1494882346;mircea_popescu;https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/187/flashcards/100187/png/screen_shot_2011-10-16_at_9.32.46_pm1318825984850.png << example of 2nd millenia bc slide.
1656534;1494882359;mircea_popescu;you can say "Wtf it is" but not what it's supposed to mean.
1656535;1494882367;asciilifeform;i was half-convinced it'd be the infamous 'egyptian light bulb'
1656536;1494882379;mircea_popescu;no, these lived in india.
1656537;1494882390;mircea_popescu;fair to say no contact with egypt whatsoever.
1656538;1494882417;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu has a point -- it's exactly a powerpoint slide
1656539;1494882422;mircea_popescu;right.
1656540;1494882519;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a whole pile, google image search for "harappan steatite" returns more than i knew / ever saw, so.
1656541;1494883815;mircea_popescu;come rto think of it, the strange love story between engineers and "diagrams - magical notation that works by itself!!! pity this never occured to anyone before!!!" produced lulzy shit like https://ieet.org/archive/similarpictoralmessage1402784506732038571.gif
1656542;1494883837;asciilifeform;that ain't a diagram
1656543;1494883840;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1656544;1494883841;asciilifeform;it's a hieroglyph.
1656545;1494883848;mircea_popescu;how can you tell ?
1656546;1494883927;asciilifeform;because it's indecipherable liquishit.
1656547;1494883961;trinque;*to you*
1656548;1494883966;trinque;because of what's already in your head, or not
1656549;1494883967;asciilifeform;well yes.
1656550;1494883973;mircea_popescu;lol. the poor aliens, you know.
1656551;1494883993;trinque;oh look, I think they talk through those hoses in front, and only the hose-bearing ones talk.
1656552;1494884004;mircea_popescu;anyway, the dorks ("scientists! scientific method! just the data! own determination!!1") involved had a whole story of how it's supposed to be universally meaningful.
1656553;1494884032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was nothing whatsoever scientific in the process that produced that idiocy.
1656554;1494884040;mircea_popescu;even more entertaining in context than the finishbed product
1656555;1494884054;mircea_popescu;which observation IS A SAD COMMENT on the whole problem, recursively!
1656556;1494884056;asciilifeform;or , for that matter, the one that posed the question which led to its production.
1656557;1494884063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but i was discussing claims.
1656558;1494884068;asciilifeform;it's a plainly religious artifact.
1656559;1494884087;asciilifeform;( and unsurprisingly resembles much earlier artifacts )
1656560;1494884089;mircea_popescu;well yes, in being a diagram, it's meaningless and therefore "a religious artefact"
1656561;1494884102;mircea_popescu;you know this is what we say, about all the diagrams of extinguished authorities ?
1656562;1494884115;mircea_popescu;every queen in the valley of queens was buried with a shelf full of religious artefacts
1656563;1494884120;mircea_popescu;lemme find some such for you.
1656564;1494884125;asciilifeform;we also say it re the alphabets of extinguished authorities.
1656565;1494884128;asciilifeform;(linear-a etc)
1656566;1494884155;asciilifeform;you don't finesse the extinguished-decoder problem by using different encoding.
1656567;1494884316;mircea_popescu;well apparently i never published the dildos in question. anyway.
1656568;1494884366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but no, greek alphabet and most of greek text extant is understandable. and understood. that dutch can't be arsed is neither here nor there.
1656569;1494884393;asciilifeform;wasn't whole mega-shocker of the thread, that it was NOT translateable to any language that dutch knows ?
1656570;1494884449;asciilifeform;( unrelatedly : https://archive.is/fPdDV << ideal soldier ! )
1656571;1494884456;mircea_popescu;nope. similarly pint of oil can't be fit in any prepuce any man carries. what's one to do ?
1656572;1494884465;mircea_popescu;get bigger foreskins ? or stop trying to store oil in foreskin ?
1656573;1494884508;mircea_popescu;for the same money you might complain tail recursion can't be explained in any language hn speaks. hurr durr, let them fucking learn languages first.
1656574;1494884561;asciilifeform;but on the contrary , it can be -- i can write scheme interp in , e.g., basic, and it gets explained.
1656575;1494884591;mircea_popescu;i think your notion of "to explain" may have a lot in common with your notion of "diagram".
1656576;1494884731;mircea_popescu;and, while at it, let us also point out that i not being the living authority on explaining aristotle to people, my failure to explain to any specified group is not the mother of all proofs.
1656577;1494884763;asciilifeform;one of the painful parts of explanation is that failure proves nothing, beyond that particular failure.
1656578;1494884765;mircea_popescu;i also tried to explain shakespeare and bit a steel girder.
1656579;1494884913;mircea_popescu;(for the record, since apparently dictionaries are as shitty as always - no, prepuce is not "technical term for foreskin". it is technical term for the space between foreskin and the glans ; similarily, it is not the skin surrouinding the clitoris, ie clitoral hood, but the fold between the two.)
1656580;1494884960;asciilifeform;and iirc mikado is not the emperor but the space between his doors.
1656581;1494885004;mircea_popescu;wait, wut!
1656582;1494885025;asciilifeform;aha!
1656583;1494885060;mircea_popescu;it's a meaningful distinction, if i say "in the prepuce" i dun mean injected into the foreskin ffs.
1656584;1494885086;asciilifeform;it made sense.
1656585;1494885092;mircea_popescu;aite.
1656586;1494885154;asciilifeform;( unrelatedly, heathen pit aficionados : is https://archive.is/IO9SI an accurate description of the demise of 'voat' ? )
1656587;1494885297;ben_vulpes;in other grade a plagiarisms: https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap
1656588;1494885329;ben_vulpes;i like the subtle satire. really makes it.
1656589;1494885345;ben_vulpes;vim or nano! your choice!
1656590;1494885366;mircea_popescu;voat demised ?
1656591;1494885384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can't possibly be, item is from 2015.
1656592;1494885447;asciilifeform;it's technically alive
1656593;1494885455;asciilifeform;but failed to nuke reddit et al.
1656594;1494885460;mircea_popescu;in what sense ?
1656595;1494885462;trinque;ben_vulpes: I dunno man; I think he's serious. just look at his shithub activity graph
1656596;1494885462;asciilifeform;which was (iirc) its purpose.
1656597;1494885469;mircea_popescu;cuz you personally keep clicking reddit bookmark or ?
1656598;1494885543;mircea_popescu;anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
1656599;1494885562;asciilifeform;decss peddlers
1656600;1494885583;mircea_popescu;other than that, the whole thing is "ra ra, america!!"
1656601;1494885598;mircea_popescu;as if anyone gives a flying fuck what difficulties middle eastern dorks have in going naked down the street.
1656602;1494885612;asciilifeform;asciilifeform in particular has ~nfi, but noticed continued pulsation of reddit crapola in the #t l0gz, whereas voat eventually was forgotten.
1656603;1494885613;asciilifeform;hence the q.
1656604;1494885633;mircea_popescu;!#s "voat.com"
1656605;1494885634;a111;3 results for "\"voat.com\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22voat.com%22
1656606;1494885636;mircea_popescu;!#s "reddit.com"
1656607;1494885637;a111;1788 results for "\"reddit.com\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22reddit.com%22
1656608;1494885639;mircea_popescu;heh
1656609;1494885703;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491056 i guess.
1656610;1494885703;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 04:35 naughtygirl: https://www.reddit.com/r/gonewild/comments/4pr8gn/f_bend_me_over_and_use_me_like_a_slut/
1656611;1494885728;mircea_popescu;anwyay, there's a half dozen ppl keep linking reddit. if they switched to linking 8chan or whatever, it'd be that.
1656612;1494885734;mircea_popescu;dunno how relevant this is, but anywayz.
1656613;1494885770;BingoBoingo;!#s "voat.co"
1656614;1494885770;a111;56 results for "\"voat.co\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22voat.co%22
1656615;1494885784;mircea_popescu;oh
1656616;1494885790;mircea_popescu;my bad.
1656617;1494885806;BingoBoingo;One of those sorta near terminal marketing problems
1656618;1494885848;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes trinque i do think the dude is actually serious.
1656619;1494885923;mircea_popescu;wtf is "balsamiq" omfg it never ends with these idiots trying to make money by doing each other's laundry.
1656620;1494885962;mircea_popescu;https://media.balsamiq.com/img/mockupsMakesYouAwesome.png
1656621;1494885987;trinque;this kid is "no am civilize" dubai edition, apparently.
1656622;1494886148;trinque;https://angel.co/dubai << oh man, these people really dealt with the devil selling us oil, didn't they.
1656623;1494886216;mircea_popescu;lol
1656624;1494886337;mircea_popescu;should i be concerned that the pure brilliance factory failed to allign the script with the math symbols ?
1656625;1494886362;mircea_popescu;also, what's the asciilifeform 's meter say ? hyeroglyphs ? diagrams ?
1656626;1494886400;mircea_popescu;"you + hot soup + 1980s walkman headset + zoloft = pure brilliance" ?
1656627;1494886416;ben_vulpes;trinque: oh he hasta be serious, i'm making a joke.
1656628;1494886443;mircea_popescu;"Mockups is zenware, meaning that it will help you get "in the zone", and stay there. Our aim is for you to forget our software is there at all."
1656629;1494886518;mircea_popescu;"Your whole team can come together around the right design using Mockups. It's so easy to learn, both clients and customers can use it (for free even), to describe their needs more clearly." [because they are illiterate, and even if they aren't -- can rely on the requisite critical mass of literacy never being reached]
1656630;1494886525;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: when did it become acceptable for camhos to show panty lines?
1656631;1494886536;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1656632;1494886547;mircea_popescu;i thought camhoes = anything goes \
1656633;1494886592;ben_vulpes;"there are no rules! anything goes! there's no logical explanation for this...discombooberation..."
1656634;1494886618;mircea_popescu;https://media.balsamiq.com/img/process_bad.png <<< first item. "no one [knows how to] read [anymore]"
1656635;1494886624;ben_vulpes;"her him! has! got to be you!"
1656636;1494886643;mircea_popescu;anyway, this item is a fine fucking example of very, very sad slavegirls wasting their time "making a product" instead of dedicating those years to worship.
1656637;1494886780;mircea_popescu;"Letting you specify behaviors and click-actions would inevitably turn Mockups into a much more complex tool, which is a terrible thing for us: if we want to continue to be the in-between tool, Mockups needs to be extremely quick to learn so that every stakeholder can have their say with an equal playing field." << check it out, they even got the "level playing field" thing. what was the sf thing with the dumbing devices ?
1656638;1494886896;mircea_popescu;"I have a man-crush on whoever built it. So freaking good. — Jeremy Toeman, President & Founder, Dijit Media" the cool thing is they link. ima now examine a whole pile of these.
1656639;1494886939;mircea_popescu;© 2008-2017 Balsamiq Studios, LLC holy hell. 2008 ?! nfw ?!
1656640;1494886993;mircea_popescu;o guess what! http://dijit.com/ is for sale. the domain i mean. in case anyone feels like filling in some forms. perhaps with balsamic.
1656641;1494887063;mircea_popescu;connectsolutions got aquihired by aaski (usg front, recently got 1bn in pork for unspecified services. primo target for some data liberation, as it happens.)
1656642;1494887106;mircea_popescu;"Tinton Falls, NJ April 21, 2017 — AASKI Technology, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are one of three Defense companies to win a prime contractor position on a potential five-year, $900 million contract for field support and technical services to the U.S. Army‘s Project Management Office, Unmanned Aircraft Systems (PM UAS)." etc.
1656643;1494887139;mircea_popescu; “We are very excited about this win,” said Bharat Parikh, CEO, AASKI Technology.
1656644;1494887280;ben_vulpes;i have seen this before, the continentals holding posts in usg bezzletrons, and i don't quite get how it makes sense. "we all went to hahvahd biz skool for credential washing to operate scammatronz", maybe?
1656645;1494887285;Framedragger;filled out a form. my proposed mega charitable $25 bid will probably go unnoticed, tho :(
1656646;1494887300;Framedragger;maybe if we all bid in $1 increments they will see real value$$$
1656647;1494887352;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1656648;1494887381;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes recall the pharma wiz kid ? the one they dekulakized for "how dare you buy things and then raise price on them"
1656649;1494887409;ben_vulpes;yeah?
1656650;1494887412;mircea_popescu;https://logmatic.io/blog/balsamiq-founder-on-building-a-lifestyle-federation-as-a-business/ << irresistible title.
1656651;1494887426;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes seems there's a lot of pressure to succeed at scamming in the us for indian boys.
1656652;1494887436;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170515/#558 << ah shit, bad encoding problems on my loggotron end again. fwiw first attempt is utf-8, then latin-1. hmz.
1656653;1494887437;scriba;Logged on 2017-05-15: [22:25:40] <mircea_popescu>  “We are very excited about this win,” said Bharat Parikh, CEO, AASKI Technology.
1656654;1494887448;mircea_popescu;Framedragger try diagrams.
1656655;1494887466;Framedragger;ah shit, i thought i forgot something. just need to reconstruct unicode from hydrogen atom first principles
1656656;1494887539;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hm
1656657;1494887764;Framedragger;this will produce barf reactions, but re. that pioneer plate, hmm... yeah it's horribru, but the pulsar period lines (iirc?) - it's completely hogwash, right? the human figures are, sure
1656658;1494887789;mircea_popescu;"Somewhat fortunately Balsamiq was too successful for that, and Giacomo was forced to hire more and more people. Balsamiq is now being built by 25 members, who service around 0.5M customers and manage 10,000 new transactions a month. All of it generating about $7M a year." << this is actually a model-run business. had nfi mp-style even exists in fiat world, but lo and behold. took 10 years to get to 7mn a year, sustainably.
1656659;1494887796;Framedragger;*NOT completely hogwash, i meant, sorry
1656660;1494887809;mircea_popescu;in what sense, Framedragger ?
1656661;1494887853;mircea_popescu;sure, for life forms that intuitively understand length to stand for energy, period, whatever. is this universally true ? maybe it is, sure. for that matter, maybe http://trilema.com/2011/limba-latina-versiunea-87/
1656662;1494887859;Framedragger;pulsars are kinda loud on teh spectrum. the visual representations (marks on the lines) can be mapped to relative pulsar periods in a straightforward fashion.
1656663;1494887871;mircea_popescu;(tl;dr -- alien i ran into knew what latin is, they had it too. latin language universal invariant. hurr.)
1656664;1494887886;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the meaning of "straightforward" being ?
1656665;1494887899;Framedragger;yeahyeah, circular notion, i know.
1656666;1494887901;mircea_popescu;ie, suppose aliens are crabs.
1656667;1494887915;Framedragger;it is qualitatively less stupid than printing a fucking human figure on the plate.
1656668;1494887986;Framedragger;pulsars are more visible than latin, is what i meant
1656669;1494888009;mircea_popescu;maybe they are.
1656670;1494888027;Framedragger;sure, if you argue for (if that's the term) ultimate epistemological relativism, crabs in water, then whatever. but we don't intend crabs to intercept a space vessel anyway
1656671;1494888034;Framedragger;but yeah, not much to it i guess
1656672;1494888055;mircea_popescu;the whole amusement was re "diagrams"
1656673;1494888062;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656648 << shkrelli
1656674;1494888062;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 22:29 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes recall the pharma wiz kid ? the one they dekulakized for "how dare you buy things and then raise price on them"
1656675;1494888100;asciilifeform;and 0 sympathy -- lived by usg intellectualproperty racket, died by it.
1656676;1494888108;Framedragger;the pulsar part i think would count as asciilifeformic diagram, maybe. but just that, and only just
1656677;1494888137;Framedragger;s/would/could/
1656678;1494888158;mircea_popescu;sure, not matter of sympathy. matter of -- just like the egyptian kids sit in luxor center for businessmen trying to find old dizzy cow with social security payments to build them a tourist trap, just so perhaps indian kids sit in indian cafe, trying to get usg tendrils trapped.
1656679;1494888161;asciilifeform;Framedragger: feynman, iirc it was, had a piece re the trickiness of using stellar bodies as 'talk to martians' reference, when you have nfi even which way the martian's display scans
1656680;1494888167;mircea_popescu;^
1656681;1494888174;mircea_popescu;"everyone understands the number 4"
1656682;1494888188;Framedragger;yeah quite a few assumptions re triangulation, hm
1656683;1494888191;Framedragger;sure
1656684;1494888191;mircea_popescu;"sure, and as anything they want to! there's a fortran for that."
1656685;1494888219;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: do you even have a sympathy gland?
1656686;1494888225;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so basically what you did was, you moved the discussion from where it was obviously stupid, to where it was not obviously stupid (to you), and needs feynman to explain what and werefore.
1656687;1494888236;Framedragger;well!
1656688;1494888241;mircea_popescu;this is ~identical to person who reads article in nature, in his field, pukes, then goes on to take next story seriously.
1656689;1494888251;mircea_popescu;well... how about drop of stupid invalidates item ?
1656690;1494888282;Framedragger;*i* got a reference to a nice piece by feynman. it was also mentioned on the forum logs. booyah!
1656691;1494888288;Framedragger;no yeah i'm quite terrible here
1656692;1494888295;trinque;!~bash 2
1656693;1494888295;jhvh1;Last 2 lines bashed and pending publication
1656694;1494888362;Framedragger;ty ty
1656695;1494888411;trinque;all the more terrible and uninviting a universe if there aren't elsewhere salt water sacks whose symbols we could hope to grok?
1656696;1494888422;trinque;appears yet another psychological defense
1656697;1494888470;Framedragger;everything is a defense mechanism eh... maybe it is
1656698;1494888505;trinque;not at all. but anything that renders the other familiar too easily.. sure smells like one
1656699;1494888531;*;Framedragger recommends egan's "wang's carpets", to contribute, in all seriousness. (later incorporated as a chapter in his "diaspora", asciilifeform will know)
1656700;1494888564;Framedragger;re. "not salt sacks! cellular automata in large sugar molecules!" (pretty neat, truly)
1656701;1494888568;trinque;he's done several sorts of weirdo incomrehensible aliens
1656702;1494888617;Framedragger;yeah i need to read his short story collections in full, he tends to be better at short stories anyway
1656703;1494888741;*;Framedragger checks the java filled homepage, damn moar books to read. that is nice
1656704;1494890278;mircea_popescu;the more i read about this balsamiq guy, the more i like him.
1656705;1494890630;mircea_popescu;and in other street fare, https://68.media.tumblr.com/e276e974493d006963244e787e586257/tumblr_nlffqvQiNB1upqo7jo1_500.gif
1656706;1494890960;mircea_popescu;oh, and in other "inseguridad en argentina" news, https://news.co.cr/breaking-730-am-shootout-in-front-of-escazu-costa-rica-private-school-leaves-2-dead/60770/
1656707;1494892079;BingoBoingo;In other shitware, oil filters reviewed with hacksaw http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/fram.shtml
1656708;1494892385;shinohai;seriously? I haz removed oil filters w/ screwdriver but that's just ....
1656709;1494892405;shinohai;Oh sorry *reviewed
1656710;1494892436;shinohai;Bonus points for Honeywell mfg
1656711;1494897237;mod6;evenin'
1656712;1494897247;asciilifeform;hiya mod6
1656713;1494897254;mod6;how goes?
1656714;1494897260;asciilifeform;slowly and painfully
1656715;1494897270;mod6;i hear ya.
1656716;1494897276;mod6;workin on ada stuff?
1656717;1494897278;asciilifeform;0 useful docs anywhere on division in constant time
1656718;1494897287;asciilifeform;grunting it out from scratch
1656719;1494897317;mod6;ahh. ok. yah, i suppose it requires a bunch of on-paper - try it yourself until blue in face.
1656720;1494897336;asciilifeform;worse than that, because it has to be proven to actually work
1656721;1494897347;asciilifeform;as opposed to 'worked on the 1,001 cases i came up with'
1656722;1494897390;mod6;ah
1656723;1494897637;asciilifeform;it boggles my mind that i gotta do this, rather than there being where to crib.
1656724;1494897645;asciilifeform;because this is screamingly elementary piece.
1656725;1494898369;mircea_popescu;hey, at least you don't have to scroll horizontally.
1656726;1494898383;mod6;haha
1656727;1494898388;mircea_popescu;>D
1656728;1494898401;*;mod6 falls over
1656729;1494898405;asciilifeform;and hey, dun have to hang upside-down, like odin!111
1656730;1494898434;mircea_popescu;as the one, the only, the forever carlin said, "the man himself was philosophical about it : it's that much less skin to wash."
1656731;1494898483;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-18#834203 << see also.
1656732;1494898483;a111;Logged on 2014-09-18 19:37 asciilifeform: 'happy is the man who has one leg, one sock doesn't tear, one boot isn't needed.'
1656733;1494898496;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in officeware, https://68.media.tumblr.com/82344367d161785313c37088511fc97a/tumblr_myj5e3Pc6z1qkpun8o1_1280.jpg
1656734;1494898582;asciilifeform;in other near-term lulz, a 'pbot' is in the worx, so that folx can play with various input->output pairs in-chan
1656735;1494898609;mod6;ah, neat
1656736;1494898623;shinohai;implying asciilifeform actually codes in perl
1656737;1494898623;mircea_popescu;nice.
1656738;1494898637;asciilifeform;given line length limit, it will be of limited practical use; strictly educational.
1656739;1494898642;mircea_popescu;i imagine he's gonna use trinque's tree
1656740;1494898654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can have it return pastes.
1656741;1494898674;asciilifeform;that'd defeat entire purpose
1656742;1494898681;asciilifeform;which is to have the ins AND outs in-conversation.
1656743;1494898716;asciilifeform;in clickless dialogue.
1656744;1494898865;mod6;are you looking at some variant of mult reduction?
1656745;1494898902;asciilifeform;mod6: not even yet
1656746;1494898913;mod6;or something like SRT with a lookup table?
1656747;1494898919;asciilifeform;only constant-time shift-and-subtract division
1656748;1494898923;asciilifeform;no tables.
1656749;1494898927;asciilifeform;period. anywhere. they are banned.
1656750;1494898931;mod6;aha.
1656751;1494898936;asciilifeform;no if-statements, either.
1656752;1494898945;asciilifeform;basic principle of constant-time proggy
1656753;1494898951;mod6;cool.  that's good anyway, we don't need revenge of the floating-point bug.
1656754;1494898962;asciilifeform;same instructions gotta execute no matter what bits are set or not set in the operands. every time.
1656755;1494898966;asciilifeform;sorta elementary.
1656756;1494899013;asciilifeform;ideally we would also be doing all arithmetic ops on a cpu that executes both the op and its exact register-wise bitcomplement
1656757;1494899018;asciilifeform;but sadly i don't have one.
1656758;1494899056;asciilifeform;( and so, conceivably adding 0 + 0 radiates something different from ff + ff . )
1656759;1494899086;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes well, 250 digit numbers then
1656760;1494899119;asciilifeform;all numbers have W digits.
1656761;1494899133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in principle you could just do mirror ops of all things anywya neh ?
1656762;1494899145;asciilifeform;not same thing
1656763;1494899151;asciilifeform;they gotta happen ~simultaneously~
1656764;1494899164;mircea_popescu;use two cores.
1656765;1494899166;asciilifeform;pc (even multi-processor pc) doesn't give it to you
1656766;1494899169;asciilifeform;because pipelines.
1656767;1494899172;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1656768;1494899234;asciilifeform;( and you certainly could not do it under any such thing as an os, even if there were no pipeline. )
1656769;1494899307;asciilifeform;on chip level, a non-radiating ALU is quite trivial to make, however
1656770;1494899323;mircea_popescu;obviously, you just build a mirror.
1656771;1494899323;asciilifeform;in each place where you would otherwise have 1 bit register, you instead have 2
1656772;1494899325;asciilifeform;aha
1656773;1494899335;asciilifeform;so 1 is now 10, 0 is 01.
1656774;1494899370;asciilifeform;( or opposite, dun matter. )
1656775;1494899386;asciilifeform;you also now get carryless adders, for phree.
1656776;1494899398;mircea_popescu;aha. principal advantage.
1656777;1494899490;asciilifeform;if i were drawing up such a thing, i'd even have the sram work in such a way that 10 is a 1 on odd clock cycles, 0 on even
1656778;1494899507;asciilifeform;this'd annihilate such a thing as ram remanance
1656779;1494899521;asciilifeform;(iirc discussed in ancient thread, this method. afaik no one has ever used it, publicly.)
1656780;1494899527;mircea_popescu;aha.
1656781;1494899587;asciilifeform;pretty easy to implement, also. just make the flip-flop that forms sram cell, connected to clock.
1656782;1494899607;asciilifeform;now you store bit as ~phase~ of the square wave, rather than absolute steady state of the flipflop.
1656783;1494899665;asciilifeform;theoretically power draw of this device will be exactly the same , at all times, as if it were resistive load
1656784;1494899682;asciilifeform;because same number of transitions on every clock cycle, regardless of what it is doing.
1656785;1494899739;asciilifeform;for bonus 'ourdemocracy' decapitation, bake it out of ECL logic
1656786;1494899753;asciilifeform;where transistor is run on razor's edge of saturation at all times
1656787;1494899785;mircea_popescu;certainly worth prototyping at the least.
1656788;1494899826;asciilifeform;sadly not prototype-able at reasonable cost afaik.
1656789;1494899831;asciilifeform;( you can't do it on fpga. )
1656790;1494899859;mod6;do i follow if i store 10 on rising-edge for odd, and 01 at the same time for falling edge even?
1656791;1494899860;mircea_popescu;every piece of shit intel crapware was prototyped. reasonable cost is an entirely conventional notion. malia obama gets to keep her head for another month, how's that for reasonable.
1656792;1494899930;asciilifeform;mod6: it simply means that you store a bit as ~phase~
1656793;1494899941;mod6;yeah, just was trying to grasp that concept.
1656794;1494899958;asciilifeform;so, e.g., 010101010101.... is a 0, and on this same machine, in parallel time, 10101010101... is a 1
1656795;1494899965;asciilifeform;for the purpose of arithmetic
1656796;1494899968;mod6;ah. gotcha.
1656797;1494900042;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ( you can't do it on fpga. ) << needs actual crystal?
1656798;1494900052;asciilifeform;mod6: needs transistor-level layout.
1656799;1494900057;mircea_popescu;mod6 basically, a digital machine has no real reason to store a 1 as a 1 rather than any other arbitrary time-pattern
1656800;1494900066;mircea_popescu;historical convention no more.
1656801;1494900155;mircea_popescu;storing data xor bus cycle in particular is ~free.
1656802;1494900163;mircea_popescu;and talking of nigger spawn, http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/party-girl-malia-obama-freaks-accosts-white-house-correspondent-lucian-wintrich-exclusive-ny-club/
1656803;1494900175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'reasonable cost' in this context is ' asciilifeform's experimentation budget.' which presently does not stretch to ic fab.
1656804;1494900183;mod6;ah.  thanks for the input.  this is interesting.
1656805;1494900183;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1656806;1494900214;mircea_popescu;it wasn't done originally because it'd have made core dumps much less readable.
1656807;1494900215;mod6;asciilifeform: someday.
1656808;1494900219;mircea_popescu;but ~nobody reads them anyway.
1656809;1494900273;asciilifeform;( we had, some time last year, a thread, where asciilifeform learns that a number of 'crackpot' fabs will make you a few dozen dies for the cost of a toyota, rather than aston-martin. but various problems remain -- it typically takes 5 or 6 rounds; and they want nda, and the use of winblowz liquishitware tools, etc, and extensive hand-holding )
1656810;1494900283;asciilifeform;it isn't really much like getting, e.g., circuit boards, made.
1656811;1494900322;mod6;maybe someday nsa makes it's own mgft plant/process, etc.
1656812;1494900370;asciilifeform;market of idiots is not exactly busting down the door to buy sane hardware.
1656813;1494900389;asciilifeform;at this time.
1656814;1494900390;mod6;for now.
1656815;1494900391;mircea_popescu;eh, young lenin was also poor.
1656816;1494900400;mod6;later, they come.
1656817;1494900434;mod6;speaking of which, i have new results to post.
1656818;1494900448;*;asciilifeform brb
1656819;1494900695;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the whipping post, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f0d4eb2dbb99fe6d9ddc018774b6b73f/tumblr_n3ubtmX66P1sc3xtso1_500.gif
1656820;1494900782;mod6;Here's the results from the first entropy collection of FG #5: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.ent_run1.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.dieharder_run1.txt
1656821;1494900835;mod6;interesting this time.  collected ~1.5Gb.  All tests passed the dieharder.
1656822;1494900857;mod6;I'm pretty sure that's the first time.  But will do follow up analysis after 3rd run against this 5th FG>
1656823;1494900876;mircea_popescu;ha! nice.
1656824;1494900912;mod6;yah,thanks! this is awesome ftr.  having fun doing it.
1656825;1494900937;mircea_popescu;yeah lol
1656826;1494904694;asciilifeform;neato mod6
1656827;1494904711;asciilifeform;mod6: incidentally didja ever get a chance to read fg.v ?
1656828;1494904726;asciilifeform;did it make sense to you, how and why the thing worx.
1656829;1494905604;mod6;i've read through it ~twice.  so far, it makes sense to me, but I need a more careful going-through.  part of why I'm learning verilog.
1656830;1494906088;mod6;stuff is impressive
1656831;1494906171;mircea_popescu;by the time you're done with logs, you'll have like 5 diff careers mod6
1656832;1494906194;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, qualcomm-apple battle heats up. iphone 8 might be banned from us market &c
1656833;1494906273;mod6;mircea_popescu: aha, im getting an education.  trying to relentlessly get better/learthese disciplines
1656834;1494906285;mod6;*learn these
1656835;1494906303;mircea_popescu;on the upside, really can't be fired anymore.
1656836;1494906305;trinque;http://www.houstonpress.com/news/houston-homeless-brace-themselves-as-anti-encampment-ordinance-goes-into-effect-9436174 << h-town heard the republic, is making poverty illegal inch by inch.
1656837;1494906334;mod6;altogether, i'm trying to stay focused on trb too.  and learn these other topics as I go.
1656838;1494906382;mircea_popescu;o.O
1656839;1494906385;mod6;some of the topics reach far and wide.  gotta stay on task.  but always will try to pick up what I can, where I can.
1656840;1494906403;mircea_popescu;sounds like the plan!
1656841;1494906558;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> on the upside, really can't be fired anymore. << probably not. i don't worry about it. if one door closes, another opens. besides, someday not too far off, this will be the thing.
1656842;1494906561;mircea_popescu;trinque teens also can't take gf into woods to fuck her intensively no mo ?
1656843;1494906747;mod6;i've always wanted to do my best, or be as good as I can be at something that interested me.  im not as smart or as clever as many, but I put in the work.  i find that putting in the work pays dividends later.
1656844;1494906751;trinque;no woods to speak of inside city limits
1656845;1494906770;trinque;plenty of woods with camping outside, which is where anybody camping does.
1656846;1494906785;mircea_popescu;apple story being apple got ftc to sue the chinos, ftc got lapdogs (intel, samsung) to join in. the chinos might actually slap an ic export ban on us.
1656847;1494906786;trinque;this is highway barnacle removal
1656848;1494906793;mircea_popescu;ah ah
1656849;1494906821;mod6;heh 'highway barnacle'
1656850;1494906952;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to see if china permits qualcomm be http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633992 ie japan'd.
1656851;1494906952;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 16:10 mircea_popescu: (basically, long story short, usg financed a coupla units in georgia and ncarolina with japan's money, ain't giving it back. loss is whatever you want it to be, 3 to 10 bn)
1656852;1494907090;mircea_popescu;mod6 i find that the people putting in the work end up actually being the smarter among the many.
1656853;1494907216;mod6;fair enough.  there is the separate case of enbracing the beatings too.
1656854;1494907249;mircea_popescu;"move into the slap, baby, move into the slap"
1656855;1494907258;mod6;i told some administrtion people at the mines recently something very much the same.
1656856;1494907264;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656836 << holyfuq trinque , that hobo's bed is bigger than asciilifeform's
1656857;1494907264;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 03:45 trinque: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/houston-homeless-brace-themselves-as-anti-encampment-ordinance-goes-into-effect-9436174 << h-town heard the republic, is making poverty illegal inch by inch.
1656858;1494907274;mod6;"I'm here because of the beatings I've taken."
1656859;1494907289;mod6;they just looked at me like: O.O  (wtf is this dude on about...)
1656860;1494907289;trinque;nice teddy and errethang
1656861;1494907394;trinque;they also can't block a walkway or entryway to panhandle. next year they can ban the panhandling outright.
1656862;1494907412;mod6;it's different now tho.  back in the day, if you did something retarded, you would be dressed-down for your failures. these days, mines are ~safe-spaces where no blame can be placed or else lawsuits.
1656863;1494907420;mircea_popescu;tsk
1656864;1494907439;trinque;I dunno; I worked for folks that had their own lawyers, when working in mines.
1656865;1494907447;trinque;can always drag you through them longer than you can manage.
1656866;1494907449;mod6;i mean, how is one to learn if one doesn't know he did incorrect action/whatevers?
1656867;1494907460;mircea_popescu;the lazy and the stupid ganged together and convinced "everyone" ie themselves that placing blame is bad, evil, counterproductive et all.
1656868;1494907468;mircea_popescu;more power to 'em :D
1656869;1494907473;trinque;I think people vastly overestimate this "the gendercommitter shall sue"
1656870;1494907506;mircea_popescu;trinque people vastly overestimate the importance of social media howling, also. and this is entirely borne out of stubbornly ignoring the numerous cases of it being raped to shreds.
1656871;1494907530;*;mircea_popescu still chuckles at the "indignant community" back when fetlife turned out to be a shithole.
1656872;1494907536;mod6;ya. i was just talking about this today, in fact.  long story, but at the end, he fucked up, and how's he supposed to learn that he fucked up if no one slaps his dick and says "you fucked up, don't do it again" ?
1656873;1494907546;mircea_popescu;nfi.
1656874;1494907590;mod6;lol. indeed.
1656875;1494907664;mod6;mines churning out cucks like Sam.
1656876;1494907679;mircea_popescu;o damn, i gotta pick that up again.
1656877;1494907698;trinque;mod6: you were in new england right?
1656878;1494907702;trinque;iirc
1656879;1494907716;mod6;heheh, i dig it mp.
1656880;1494907716;mircea_popescu;no, mn
1656881;1494907728;trinque;ah maybe that was mats or something.
1656882;1494907729;mod6;trinque: yah, minnesota.
1656883;1494907791;trinque;ah ok, can't say I've been there.
1656884;1494907811;mircea_popescu;me either. most obscure state! but apparently great hunting.
1656885;1494907825;mod6;imagine texas in the summer.  then imagine texas in the winter -90 degrees.
1656886;1494907842;trinque;probably has its charm. I like when the environment tries to kill me.
1656887;1494907857;mircea_popescu;keyword being "tries" i guess.
1656888;1494907858;trinque;folks must not go outside; you'd think that'd toughen them up
1656889;1494907906;trinque;yeah, that tornado on the highway recently, good try.
1656890;1494907926;mod6;dang. yah.
1656891;1494907943;mircea_popescu;tornado be like "bitchez, didn't you want flying cars ???"
1656892;1494907957;mod6;haha
1656893;1494907970;mircea_popescu;WELL NOW YOU GOT THEM!!!
1656894;1494907982;trinque;ahaha
1656895;1494907992;mod6;my ancestors lived in a covered wagon for like 2 years.
1656896;1494908001;mod6;(i'm told)
1656897;1494908001;trinque;oh? actually settled the place?
1656898;1494908007;mod6;apparently.
1656899;1494908049;mod6;they came from germany or whatever, bought/steaked a claim; took 'em 2 farming seasons to get enough money to buy the supplies to build the house.
1656900;1494908055;mod6;house is still there.
1656901;1494908057;mod6;O.O
1656902;1494908088;mod6;meanwhile, all 6-8 of 'em or whatever lived through 2 minnesota winters in a covered wagon.
1656903;1494908137;mod6;staggers the imagination - the sheer determination of a generation long since gone bye.
1656904;1494908193;mircea_popescu;well no because back then they had anthropogenic minnesota warming see.
1656905;1494908194;mod6;but shit, i figure, if they could do it, I could do it too.  not that i look forward to that, but it's not impossible.  hell, it might be downright necessary.
1656906;1494908238;mod6;mircea_popescu: haha
1656907;1494908242;trinque;look if the cows all fart at once it sets off a positive feedback loop
1656908;1494908245;mircea_popescu;anyway, cold hardness is very much developed trait. i think i told the story of the pubescent girls at the black sea playing around in the freezing water like fucking sirens.
1656909;1494908257;mircea_popescu;at the north sea*
1656910;1494908290;mircea_popescu;fucking cape cod style winds, i was cold in my winter gear. they were the color of liver.
1656911;1494908317;mod6;i think you did, ya.
1656912;1494908333;trinque;never jumped in the water, but I've hopped in a few snowbanks naked. it's a riot.
1656913;1494908369;mircea_popescu;snow is not so terrible because very insulating.
1656914;1494908377;mircea_popescu;wet + wind however is how you say death in arabic.
1656915;1494908388;mod6;once, i was walking on a frozen lake.  fell through some thin ice (~january-ish time), by the time i walked ~2.2km home, my pants were frozen and my legs were blue.
1656916;1494908392;trinque;ah true.
1656917;1494908425;mod6;like, my pants stood on the own.
1656918;1494908433;mod6;frozen damn near solid. lol
1656919;1494908484;mircea_popescu;no frostbite ?
1656920;1494908554;mod6;probably some.  i think i've had it quite a bit.  not to the point of decay or amputation or anything.  but there've been many times I remember playing hockey outdoors as a kid in 10 or 20 below f weather.
1656921;1494908591;mod6;by the time i took my skates gloves off... feet/hands really painful.   i used to put them in very luke warm water to thaw them out.
1656922;1494908605;mod6;feels like your hands/feet getting hit with a hammer
1656923;1494908690;mod6;once you get frostbite, they say that it's pretty easy to get afterwards because your capillaries never heal fully.  making you susceptible.
1656924;1494908832;mod6;not a year goes by that I don't read about some person who got drunk, fell asleep on their porch mid-winter, and loses some digits due to frostbite.
1656925;1494908877;mod6;i suppose they should consider themselves lucky.
1656926;1494908988;mod6;anyone else playing with ffa?
1656927;1494911631;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ran when parked << lol << :D
1656928;1494911734;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656143 << lol i'm afraid i don't understand this 'fix' well enough to implement on disposable craptops that actually have intel me on them. let me know if you take the plunge :)
1656929;1494911734;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 13:25 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626725 << actually i want to try this sometime, too, any chance you've already fiddled with it pete_dushenski? :D
1656930;1494912018;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656491 << well, they are made of ye newe nose-cutty plastique. this is, however, the least annoying of its 'features'. cracking and breaking due to temperature fluctuations and extremes is markedly more of a nuissance. 'moar durable! progress!' is anything but. nooz at 11.
1656931;1494912018;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 19:20 BingoBoingo: Wait, Canadian bills are diabetic?
1656932;1494912101;lobbes;<mircea_popescu> snow is not so terrible because very insulating. << I can attest! I grew up on cape cod; while the winters never usually got below ~30 F on average, the occasional noreaster would punch you to the bone. cold rain + high winds = no fun
1656933;1494912105;lobbes;the 5 years I then spent in northern Ohio (where it'd get below 0 F often) were comparatively more bearable
1656934;1494912114;lobbes;of course now I'm in the warm, sub-tropical southeast! Barely had a winter this year :D
1656935;1494912237;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655841 << why did btc4rx7 deal fall through ? /me offered previous owner of saddam 10btc. he declined because 'too volatile' and 'family to feed'. i didn't think he'd bite, but now there's at least one more schmuck who can't say he never had the olive branch extended to him. i guess that's something.
1656936;1494912237;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 16:13 asciilifeform: i almost bought a wankel car once
1656937;1494912442;pete_dushenski;in other $8mn lifestyles, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4BNGEXUAAGgpA.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4A8P0XYAQe1tG.jpg (cdn national hero justin bieber makes a variety of sensible requests while touring in indian hinterland, 'our demookracy' very upset by HIS entitlement. aha.)
1656938;1494914120;BingoBoingo;In other threads completed: The best late model consumer vehicle is likely the pre-2017 model year Honda Rebel. 4-stroke combustion is a bummer to see on it, but air cooled and carbeurated. Better would be humble bicycle with "echo CS-800P" chainsaw swapped in to replace pedals.
1656939;1494914163;BingoBoingo;5 cubic inches of fury!
1656940;1494914195;BingoBoingo;and automatic chain oiler as a bonus
1656941;1494914465;BingoBoingo;(Primary advantage of 2-stroke motor is lubrication in any rotational configuration such that gravity glove shennanigans need not deprive motor of friction protection)
1656942;1494914486;BingoBoingo;Secondary advantage being exhaust smell
1656943;1494914743;BingoBoingo;Advantage of chainsaw as powertrain is having a chainsaw to clear road obstructions provided rest of chainsaw is kept in saddle bag.
1656944;1494914849;BingoBoingo;Only disadvantage I am seeing here is that reconfiguring chainsaw to be chainsaw instead of bike mover takes time. Time that could be used to clear obstructions like hamplanets had one been simply traveling as a pedestrian with a chainsaw.
1656945;1494915127;BingoBoingo;And unlike turbine, trivial fuel is required to spin up motor
1656946;1494915268;BingoBoingo;In further trivia at apex on technology, chainsaw maker also produces appliance called "Bed redefiner"
1656947;1494915339;BingoBoingo;And still further finds, a cordless drill that might meet alf standards http://www.echo-usa.com/Products/Engine-Drills/EDR-260
1656948;1494916774;mircea_popescu;mod6 that's true, frostbite is pretty damaging
1656949;1494916930;mircea_popescu;lobbes yeah, man gotta pay for his lobster somehow.
1656950;1494917084;mircea_popescu;chainsaw bike eh. why not microwave tv and tower laundry machine dildo, while at it.
1656951;1494917369;mircea_popescu;shinohai its position as 5th altcorn yo. not it's. its.
1656952;1494917997;danielpbarron;the damage from frostbite happens in the warming up. i've had it happen more than a few times where my feet would get cold and then i'd hop in the shower and get that "hit with hammers" sensation. also feels like bones are itchy.
1656953;1494918802;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> chainsaw bike eh. why not microwave tv and tower laundry machine dildo, while at it. << Microwave tv would be great for solving problem of people immersed in tv.
1656954;1494918846;*;BingoBoingo also though laundry machine dildo was already a thing.
1656955;1494919119;BingoBoingo;Anyways, motorcycle and chainsaw both are essentially motors powering sprockets to drive chains. Only really difference is the parts the chains touch
1656956;1494932864;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656734 << awesome
1656957;1494932864;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 01:36 asciilifeform: in other near-term lulz, a 'pbot' is in the worx, so that folx can play with various input->output pairs in-chan
1656958;1494933493;Framedragger;via funkenstein_ https://ponzico.win/ponzico.pdf / https://ponzico.win/
1656959;1494933500;Framedragger;pretty lulzy!
1656960;1494934767;Framedragger;(i sorta enjoyed it, html version here; http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/ponzico/ponzico.html)
1656961;1494941034;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656935 << where to even begin -- first, why to spend good coin on something you can get for ordinary incabux
1656962;1494941034;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 05:23 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655841 << why did btc4rx7 deal fall through ? /me offered previous owner of saddam 10btc. he declined because 'too volatile' and 'family to feed'. i didn't think he'd bite, but now there's at least one more schmuck who can't say he never had the olive branch extended to him. i guess that's something.
1656963;1494941148;asciilifeform;asciilifeform probably has, at this point, ~all the btc he'll ever have, and is quite reluctant to part with it for whatever reason.
1656964;1494941371;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656937 << described d00d seems to have spent 8m only on hotel and whores in that particular day..
1656965;1494941371;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 05:27 pete_dushenski: in other $8mn lifestyles, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4BNGEXUAAGgpA.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4A8P0XYAQe1tG.jpg (cdn national hero justin bieber makes a variety of sensible requests while touring in indian hinterland, 'our demookracy' very upset by HIS entitlement. aha.)
1656966;1494941395;asciilifeform;so technically subj is '8b life'
1656967;1494941461;asciilifeform;and no mention of solid gold toilet, asciilifeform is disappoint!!11!
1656968;1494941556;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656947 << motherfucking 2cycle poison gas spewers. what is wrong with diesel compressor + pneumatic drill, etc, like normal people have
1656969;1494941556;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 06:15 BingoBoingo: And still further finds, a cordless drill that might meet alf standards http://www.echo-usa.com/Products/Engine-Drills/EDR-260
1656970;1494941842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform handheld. you know, like laptops.
1656971;1494941856;mircea_popescu;ruin your body effectively and efficiently!
1656972;1494941977;mircea_popescu;in other machinery, http://68.media.tumblr.com/78cb5f672da3f1f1deb49ec7a2f5a1ef/tumblr_ne0t1tuyrq1ticw27o1_500.gif
1656973;1494942213;asciilifeform;lol
1656974;1494942308;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: re the 'great artist', do you ever find it curious that all of these folx , even with $maxint, eat recycled food ?
1656975;1494942381;asciilifeform;( as described in 1st link )
1656976;1494942411;mircea_popescu;i wasn't gonna say anything.
1656977;1494942717;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656952 << aha, same principle as the flooding backwards-flowing rivers of siberia / alaska
1656978;1494942717;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 06:59 danielpbarron: the damage from frostbite happens in the warming up. i've had it happen more than a few times where my feet would get cold and then i'd hop in the shower and get that "hit with hammers" sensation. also feels like bones are itchy.
1656979;1494942900;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, so india apparently sees a rider for the very first time, gets all excited ?
1656980;1494942906;mircea_popescu;wtf is with all the peons opining and shit.
1656981;1494943100;mircea_popescu;also, i don't expect the hotel makes any money from the deal. they're giving the rooms away free. etc.
1656982;1494943166;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: even artist can grow up as poor canadian, never exposed to culture, and continue 'successful career' equally sheltered, shuttling from airport to hotel and hotel to arena, forever contained in $bubble.
1656983;1494943280;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: india isn't as socially stratified as it used to be. member of parliament was recently banned for ~all air india flights~ for chiding an attendant who stuck him in an economy seat.
1656984;1494943293;pete_dushenski;s/for/from
1656985;1494943297;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1656986;1494943324;mircea_popescu;and, of course, air india is consequently losing its subsidies, because they'll get hold up in parliament.
1656987;1494943395;pete_dushenski;i dun think so. firebrand indian mp just has to helicopter or drive in car now. it's some fubar shit.
1656988;1494943455;mircea_popescu;i totally would. the name of the game is disproportionate retribution. let your $100 seat savings cost you $10 mn in financing, why the hell not.
1656989;1494943511;pete_dushenski;ravindra gaekwad is the mp's name. a 'shiv sena' (far-right) party leader.
1656990;1494943512;mircea_popescu;it's kinda funny for me to read all the nightmare stories of various ppl trying to airtravel, because i've had nothing but great experiences and well... sucks to be them i guess.
1656991;1494943523;mircea_popescu;geekwad huh.
1656992;1494943534;pete_dushenski;lol correct.
1656993;1494943680;asciilifeform;dirigible!
1656994;1494943779;pete_dushenski;the story is basically that geeky had a business class ticket only to discover that air india had turned the plane into all economy seats. geeky still boarded the flight but flipped his lid when they landed and refused to deboard before roughing up some airline staff.
1656995;1494943822;pete_dushenski;anyways, geekwad, no, evidently doesn't have dirigible.
1656996;1494943846;pete_dushenski;isn't billionaire, etc. news at you know when.
1656997;1494943920;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: not saying you should depart with btc for $car, but i've yet to meet the seller who turned down, as you say, incadollars.
1656998;1494944022;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i considered buying the peculiar auto for incabux, but then realized that i dun actually need one for anything
1656999;1494944037;asciilifeform;having already 1 working auto and 1 arse
1657000;1494944043;pete_dushenski;aha. head won over heart.
1657001;1494944094;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's pet does not know how to drive )
1657002;1494944191;pete_dushenski;this has also been my issue in current $porsche market. brainbrakes are stronger than heartthrottle.
1657003;1494944450;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655830 << speaking of throttles, 'car throttle' was started at the same time as my old car site by a very entrepreneurial brown brit by the name of adnan ebrahim. we used to email back and forth in those early, uncertain days and we met up in london in 2014 for a few drinks. he obviously went the vc-route and has done very well by the metrics of that world, certainly better
1657004;1494944450;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 15:46 mircea_popescu: https://www.carthrottle.com/post/heres-how-to-make-your-car-exhaust-spit-flames/ << check it out, thgere's even guides.
1657005;1494944452;pete_dushenski;than eric raymond.
1657006;1494944533;pete_dushenski;adnan's is an object lesson in catering to video game playing, basement dwelling, fanbois of the 'like' generation.
1657007;1494944568;pete_dushenski;certainly no one's done it better in the online auto enthusiast space than he.
1657008;1494944689;pete_dushenski;in other hooks, baizuo (白左), or literally, the ‘white left’ is the newest insult in china. love it.
1657009;1494947175;mircea_popescu;lol, i'm trolling through hanbot's site to find where she got raped on eulora auction, end up with http://thewhet.net/2014/how-to-blame-others-and-entertain-people/
1657010;1494947195;mircea_popescu;such history of lulz there is!
1657011;1494948883;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/dialogue-on-economy-and-other-things/ << Trilema - Dialogue on economy and other things.
1657012;1494953776;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656968 << But does air tool go Brap-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p
1657013;1494953776;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 13:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656947 << motherfucking 2cycle poison gas spewers. what is wrong with diesel compressor + pneumatic drill, etc, like normal people have
1657014;1494953854;ben_vulpes;psh, also who wants to hump the accumulator around
1657015;1494954362;mircea_popescu;solar / wind power!
1657016;1494954373;mircea_popescu;WORKABLE ALTERNATIVES!
1657017;1494954714;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: otoh air tools have turbines in 'em
1657018;1494954721;ben_vulpes;which is just plain old cool
1657019;1494954756;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656945 << au contraire, properly built turbine can eat most liquid fuels
1657020;1494954756;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 06:12 BingoBoingo: And unlike turbine, trivial fuel is required to spin up motor
1657021;1494954760;BingoBoingo;But do turbines harness lubricating explosions like wet farts?
1657022;1494954807;ben_vulpes;how about we compromise on a gas turbine powered air compressor backed drivetrain
1657023;1494954815;ben_vulpes;it's the only reasonable thing.
1657024;1494954837;BingoBoingo;Nah, unless it's burning petroil mix, the exhaust won't smell right
1657025;1494954858;BingoBoingo;And air compressor means hoses
1657026;1494954868;ben_vulpes;even if burning petroil, gas turbine will get hot enough to break down the lube oil
1657027;1494954879;ben_vulpes;oh wait we need a total loss lubrication gas turbine
1657028;1494954915;ben_vulpes;could cool it with liquid fuel and recirculate the evaporate into the combustion chamber
1657029;1494954919;ben_vulpes;claaaaasic rocket tech
1657030;1494954937;ben_vulpes;except applied to turbo instead of combustion chamber/nozzle cooling
1657031;1494954975;ben_vulpes;prototype the stack as a "turbo furace"
1657032;1494954979;ben_vulpes;furnace*
1657033;1494955891;mircea_popescu;more like turbo blaster.
1657034;1494955908;mircea_popescu;mean time between explosions, 3.5 hours!
1657035;1494955957;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k19wyUXP0bw
1657036;1494957460;hanbot;diana_coman i got myself up to date just to quote my last problem with the character in the logs, ha. thanks for asking, and i'll see to it this week for sure. meatland has been fairly crazy these past months, i'd love to have a software problem (she said naively).
1657037;1494957647;asciilifeform;in other noose, we have... long division
1657038;1494958112;BingoBoingo;nice
1657039;1494958403;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wUY0i/?raw=true
1657040;1494958403;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1657041;1494958951;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/starbucks-fiat-point-of-sale-system-goes-down/ << Qntra - Starbucks Fiat Point Of Sale System Goes Down
1657042;1494958974;mircea_popescu;that sounds great for fiatcoin
1657043;1494959178;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1657044;1494959317;shinohai;The Ether DNS seems to still be in exact same shape as I wrote about weeks ago: https://github.com/ethereum/ens-registrar-dapp/issues/128#issuecomment-301561198
1657045;1494959438;asciilifeform;'OSX El Capitan. SSD + 32 GB RAM, ENS app super sluggish yesterday and same problems as OP. backed-up everything, deleted Mist and support files, re-installed. imported jsons after merging, working fine now, except for the fact that owned domains to be finalized are disappearing from the side bar. Domains cannot be finalized when typed in, mist refuses address lookup, type in a different domain and the retype the domain to be finaliz
1657046;1494959438;asciilifeform;ed works... strange....'
1657047;1494959439;asciilifeform;lol!!
1657048;1494959566;shinohai;Only mETH heads can make DNS shittier than it already is.
1657049;1494959581;mircea_popescu;fucking hipster retards.
1657050;1494959595;mircea_popescu;this is what to do with one's time, right ? pshaw.
1657051;1494959650;mircea_popescu;i suppose if they ever manage to adapt the fingernail rfid for cattle usage, the cows'll be tweeting about how they're testing the barn app, and act like all serious about it, too.
1657052;1494959656;mircea_popescu;"same moo as op. moo."
1657053;1494959690;mircea_popescu;"imported schmoo after making cowpie"
1657054;1494959723;shinohai;lol @ barn app
1657055;1494959809;Framedragger;https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/peekaboo-barn/id300590611?mt=8
1657056;1494959836;shinohai;lel
1657057;1494959859;shinohai;I wouldn't be surprised if they actually found that entertaining.
1657058;1494960002;shinohai;https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/an-open-letter-to-bitcoin-miners-c260467e1f0   <<< /me doesn't know why he lolz so much at smacktards that write this drivel.
1657059;1494960037;mircea_popescu;in other random shit nobody cares about, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojQQLszjH0k (america, venim!) is quite the ultimate documentary of just what inenarrable scum romanians actually are.
1657060;1494960048;asciilifeform;'I bought my first Bitcoins in 2013 and have been active on the Bitcointalk forum since March, 2014.... I’m concerned. I believe we urgently need to find a scaling solution, and I believe the best solution is to increase the blocksize.' << lol, betcha these come out of a perl script by nao
1657061;1494960048;mircea_popescu;i've been watching it in 10 minute installments with half hour cussing breaks.
1657062;1494960068;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just about.
1657063;1494960142;Framedragger;!#s wiseau the room
1657064;1494960142;a111;0 results for "wiseau the room", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wiseau%20the%20room
1657065;1494960148;Framedragger;^ THIS is the ultimate film to watch
1657066;1494960174;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T5YKB/?raw=true >> mod6 , phf, et al
1657067;1494960177;shinohai;I was already convinced that Roger Ver populates r/btc with markov bots. Can't even find anything to Qntra about there unless BU breaks, etc.
1657068;1494960395;mircea_popescu;Framedragger whassit ?
1657069;1494960443;Framedragger;hailed as "citizen kane of bad movies". for a reason! it's terrible, horrible, amazing movie you should watch!
1657070;1494960452;mircea_popescu;ah.
1657071;1494960466;mircea_popescu;this isn't a bad movie. it's insufferable, because it is a good movie about cockroaches that really shouldn't exist.
1657072;1494960478;Framedragger;you mean the romanian one? aha ok ic
1657073;1494961016;mircea_popescu;lmao. wtf is with the florist scene, sounds like porn dialogue.
1657074;1494961068;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170516/#218 << will do, yeah... it does require some fiddling (e.g. http://karlcordes.com/coreboot-x220/)
1657075;1494961069;scriba;Logged on 2017-05-16: [05:15:35] <pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656143 << lol i'm afraid i don't understand this 'fix' well enough to implement on disposable craptops that actually have intel me on them. let me know if you take the plunge :)
1657076;1494961086;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: you mean the completely unnecessary scene in the room? film is full of those. it's amazing i tell you
1657077;1494961096;asciilifeform;Framedragger, pete_dushenski : ftr i dun see the point of the 'partial fix'
1657078;1494961100;mircea_popescu;that's christopher walken, right ?
1657079;1494961129;Framedragger;hahah
1657080;1494961140;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah esp. for x220 and the likes when it's truly only very partial
1657081;1494961144;Framedragger;(leaves the 'kernel', etc)
1657082;1494961147;asciilifeform;it's partial EVERYWHERE
1657083;1494961151;Framedragger;aha right.
1657084;1494961155;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/mizzou-protest-fallout-continues-with-crashing-rental-market/ << Qntra - Mizzou Protest Fallout Continues With Crashing Rental Market
1657085;1494961160;asciilifeform;and will be until somebody coughts up the intel privkey
1657086;1494961177;asciilifeform;and possibly not then, either, nobody has any idea what is in the rom.
1657087;1494961191;mircea_popescu;yeah, how'd you verify it.
1657088;1494961193;asciilifeform;medicine for a corpse.
1657089;1494961955;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T5YKB/?raw=true >> mod6 , phf, et al << thx for the update!
1657090;1494962328;asciilifeform;np mod6 . lemme know if any part of it does not make sense to you.
1657091;1494962395;asciilifeform;incidentally, ~whole thing is trivially siliconizable/fpgaizable, given as it does not rely on von neumann flow control for anything
1657092;1494962410;asciilifeform;( and the loops could be unrolled in place, even. )
1657093;1494962892;ben_vulpes;didja know that leebs think gross receipts taxes are a great idea? http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2017/05/09/commissioner-chloe-eudaly-and-advocates-prepare-to-launch-a-climate-change-tax-on-corporations/
1657094;1494962905;Framedragger;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re verify, presumably one may be able to set some parts of the firmware to be RO? problem is, not all parts, and even then, "how deeply do you trust". so yeah i guess sisyphean
1657095;1494962917;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the mask rom
1657096;1494962918;asciilifeform;not the bios
1657097;1494962926;Framedragger;hm right.
1657098;1494962948;ben_vulpes;will pay for solar panels, community gardens for the poor, and jaeorbs for women/people of color!
1657099;1494962968;asciilifeform;the fritz chip starts from mask rom, the contents of which are unknown (and potentially unique per-batch at factory) and it in fact brings up the remainder of the cpu
1657100;1494963564;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes hey, i have various cos paying 3% of gross in ro. works great for high margin operations.
1657101;1494963622;mircea_popescu;(no, it's not "on top of everything". it's either of net or of gross, your option._
1657102;1494963654;asciilifeform;why would anybody ~want~ to pay of-gross ?
1657103;1494963675;mircea_popescu;because cheapewr.
1657104;1494963687;asciilifeform;how's that work ?
1657105;1494963710;asciilifeform;3% of X > 3% of (X-y), where y>0, neh ?
1657106;1494963731;mircea_popescu;suppose you have 1mn gross receipts. if you pay 3% of gross, you're paying 30k. if you instead pay 16% of net, you'll have to produce expenses worth 850k before it's cheaper that way.
1657107;1494963755;mircea_popescu;discount cost of expenses is about 6-7% depending, meaning it's not worth it to buy them straight.
1657108;1494963807;ben_vulpes;there is no 'either' on the table here.
1657109;1494963820;ben_vulpes;femfuhrer simply wants 1% of the largest pile in sight.
1657110;1494963826;mircea_popescu;yes, but you were discussing the thing in general, so i gave you specific example of exception.
1657111;1494963838;asciilifeform;if you're , e.g., 'uber', or some other bezzleco, and your net 'is' 0, you pay 0, neh ?
1657112;1494963848;trinque;pdx income tax has been otw since that arts tax thing
1657113;1494963857;asciilifeform;i dun see, still, how %-of-net can possibly be greater or equal to %-of-gross
1657114;1494963879;trinque;asciilifeform: because they can argue a greater percentage of "omg they were just going to pocket it" than of "and we also have to pay things you don't know about"
1657115;1494963880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but then you have to actually have the expenses. and then the inept game of "oh, disallowed extemption, we decided you owe money retrospectively plus penalties etc"
1657116;1494963898;asciilifeform;naggumization lol
1657117;1494963917;mircea_popescu;and so now you have to maintain accountants + hitmen, and neither one is sufficient, to keep enough pressure on the crown so it can't come up with bullshit.
1657118;1494963920;mircea_popescu;half the time it does anyway.
1657119;1494963968;mircea_popescu;irl, paying tax out of net is a sucker's game. you want to pay the talent out of net, like they do in holyingwood, and the criminals out of gross.
1657120;1494964020;mircea_popescu;but the alternative is to shoot the "democratically elected" and take over. and the sad truth of the matter is that it's actually AN EVEN WORSE DEAL.
1657121;1494964038;*;mircea_popescu wouldn't take over eg romania if they paid. i can't imagine oregon or w/e is any better
1657122;1494964041;mircea_popescu;though i've not seen the numbers.
1657123;1494964067;ben_vulpes;and he asks why i don't burn down city hall.
1657124;1494964105;asciilifeform;which romania, though. the current demooocracy one, or a re-created 18th c. one, consisting of current minus the moocows (sell to dairy farmers, berbers, whichever specialists)
1657125;1494964139;trinque;asciilifeform: think of the expense of holding that territory, and then you have all these underlings who don't want to pay you!
1657126;1494964145;mircea_popescu;the runway is not worth the bomb, asciilifeform
1657127;1494964154;mircea_popescu;nor is the "person" worth the bullet.
1657128;1494964160;asciilifeform;hm speaking of the bomb, iirc great U deposits in ro
1657129;1494964175;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1657130;1494964180;asciilifeform;if you want to hold territory, i could think of less useful one to hold.
1657131;1494964188;mircea_popescu;2/3 of ru nuclear programme comes from re quartzes.
1657132;1494964195;asciilifeform;and gdr aha
1657133;1494964206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i could think of less useful myself, or of more useful also. but i can think of no ~useful~.
1657134;1494964238;mircea_popescu;less clean sewage, more clean sewage, just no potable water s'all.
1657135;1494964342;asciilifeform;i suspect that the 'ju-jitsu' kit, 'club enemy with his own arm', 'sit on river side and wait for corpses to float by', has limitations; and for some things you probably need a physical castle. but then again i'm not in the mircea_popescuation business.
1657136;1494964342;mircea_popescu;anyway. i personally know two ... groups, let's say, that triedf the whole take over game. leaving aside the petty private satisfactions [of jailing the other trailer park trash they grew up with], economically it's been improductive.
1657137;1494964375;mircea_popescu;romania incidentally has a long history of just this, it's called fanarioti period. hundreds of groups over 3-4 centuries did just this, kept taking over because pissed off with insolence of ex crown. discovered worse deal to be king.
1657138;1494964414;asciilifeform;'Тяжела ты, шапка Мономаха!' (tm)(r)(pushkin)
1657139;1494964460;mircea_popescu;aha
1657140;1494964593;mircea_popescu;anyway, heuristic remains : pay anyone you can fire out of net, anyone else out of gross.
1657141;1494964750;mircea_popescu;trinque the adventure of say rhodesia is instructive. suddenly the imbecile twitter horde is trying to play counterstrike around your borders "for democracy", while the idiots are cheering them on. god fucking forbid black dudes with machine guns start pouring over border in us, at the rate of a few thousands a year.
1657142;1494964761;mircea_popescu;TERRORISM!!!! and THE WHOLE WORLD MUST GIVE A SHIT!! AND THEREFORE DOES!!!
1657143;1494964773;mircea_popescu;and the netflix scum nod along, "oh yes, terrible, terrorism, moo, moo"
1657144;1494964794;mircea_popescu;then again, the us of today would pretty much collapse in a year of rhodesia treatment, supposing anyone could be arsed to apply it.
1657145;1494964806;mircea_popescu;its continued existence signifies the absence of interest and exactly no more.
1657146;1494964827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remember when teh politburo shat it because they imagined the chinese'll start pouring over the border ?
1657147;1494964860;asciilifeform;aha
1657148;1494964916;asciilifeform;usa has the extra-lulzy feature that it ~relies~ on porous borders in order to work (~100% of agriculture, construction, etc. business in various places is mexican)
1657149;1494964917;trinque;god who wants it
1657150;1494964943;asciilifeform;so closing borders, even supposing this were somehow desired by the lizards, ain't happening
1657151;1494964946;trinque;all these fat women, and sidewalks filled with human shit and shit humans.
1657152;1494964963;asciilifeform;trinque: that's fixable.
1657153;1494964987;asciilifeform;bullet is 10 cents, zyklob-b -- cheaper yet
1657154;1494964992;asciilifeform;*zyklon
1657155;1494964992;mircea_popescu;everything's fixable in this sense.
1657156;1494965000;mircea_popescu;we could all be young and the walls could be ivory.
1657157;1494965014;asciilifeform;perhaps not, but the sidewalks ~could~ be shit-free.
1657158;1494965024;mircea_popescu;and they're not worth the cleaning.
1657159;1494965047;mircea_popescu;you say you worked in biolab. you must've encountered the phial not worth the washing, yes ?
1657160;1494965052;mircea_popescu;"this set, straight to incinerator".
1657161;1494965061;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~nobody ever washed ~anything
1657162;1494965064;asciilifeform;in fact.
1657163;1494965071;mircea_popescu;but why! could have washed! good as new!
1657164;1494965073;trinque;there was perhaps some land worth ruling, who knows. but wtf, somebody's going to be father-janitor to these people.
1657165;1494965085;mircea_popescu;fact is, the crap growing in agar bottle manages to soil the bottle. permanently.
1657166;1494965107;asciilifeform;chinese experience in africa suggests otherwise. rm -rf / the locals, ship in worker bees.
1657167;1494965116;mircea_popescu;chinese have the bees.
1657168;1494965120;trinque;the future being at all worthwhile is going to involve massive ratios of man to drone and drone to bodycount.
1657169;1494965186;mircea_popescu;while that lasts. god knows the scum are trying their best to scumify china as well ; and sadder still -- the ~only reason it exists is that it's really just an alternate pathway to scum. slightly different sort of cockroach, that's all and no more.
1657170;1494965227;mircea_popescu;the ~only reason it resists* i mean.
1657171;1494965234;mircea_popescu;though the two are just about synonymous in context.
1657172;1494965352;asciilifeform;which is why north kr was priceless treasure -- the ONLY remaining experiment with industry sans konsoomer-spending-britneyizes-all
1657173;1494965403;asciilifeform;it dies ( and it will die, there is limit to how many decades you can dance from a noose tightened by entire 'civilized' world ) there will be 0 remaining.
1657174;1494965498;asciilifeform;( incidentally : https://archive.is/RcYWV << a very rare bit of sane description of subj in english )
1657175;1494965519;mircea_popescu;this is not true. myanmar, fine example
1657176;1494965525;asciilifeform;what industry there ?
1657177;1494965527;mircea_popescu;notice how silent the "crowd wisdom" is about all that ?
1657178;1494965539;mircea_popescu;~same as best korea.
1657179;1494965541;asciilifeform;how many migs they make in a year ? from what mines, the ore ?
1657180;1494965551;asciilifeform;how many men under arms ? who made the arms ?
1657181;1494965554;asciilifeform;no comparison.
1657182;1494965557;mircea_popescu;wait, pyonyang makes migs per year ?
1657183;1494965572;asciilifeform;supposedly! ( i dun work there , cannot confirm )
1657184;1494965588;mircea_popescu;i'm telling you. ~same.
1657185;1494965598;asciilifeform;at this point i'd doubt that they make anything at all in north kr. it is on deathbed.
1657186;1494965601;asciilifeform;but at one point -- made.
1657187;1494965617;trinque;when slurping the USSR's cock?
1657188;1494965621;mircea_popescu;at one point. at one point i lived off tit milk.
1657189;1494965629;asciilifeform;trinque: after.
1657190;1494965635;trinque;nb
1657191;1494965720;asciilifeform;trinque: believe or not, they spat it out, and it causes much butthurtz - refused, e.g., electric supply from su, insisted on building own, expelled military 'advisors', etc
1657192;1494965724;asciilifeform;1960s.
1657193;1494965729;asciilifeform;*caused much
1657194;1494965735;mircea_popescu;anyway. the reason i point out burma is because the coup was successful, and the country is industrializing at chinese pace.
1657195;1494965748;mircea_popescu;whereas korea... whatever. it's gone, has been gone for decades.
1657196;1494965769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do they make in burma ?
1657197;1494965784;mircea_popescu;by now, pretty much everything, all the way to diesel trucks, tractors etc.
1657198;1494965795;asciilifeform;local ore ?
1657199;1494965808;mircea_popescu;chinese help. you know, just like n korea had ru help.
1657200;1494965818;mircea_popescu;but ~just~ like. on schedule to "spit it out" 2025 or so.
1657201;1494965825;asciilifeform;yes but q is re what will happen if help goes to 0
1657202;1494965828;asciilifeform;and borders -- close.
1657203;1494965843;mircea_popescu;borders are quite closed, to eg, esl precious cuntlet.
1657204;1494965853;mircea_popescu;otherwise, same as in korea - 20 years of slowly fading away.
1657205;1494965937;mircea_popescu;but the general point being : the anglotard narrative is fundamentally broken. it's not you know, "broadly correct, needs adjustment". it can't be fixed. whatever you read in english newspaper makes you dumber, and you can't fix this.
1657206;1494965963;mircea_popescu;where by newspaper we mean the whole gamut of fake news, from redditwittetardopedia to "the new socialist" or w/e it's called.
1657207;1494968779;ben_vulpes;in other shops from bruces: http://68.media.tumblr.com/dd45666cbb61ec58d0cd41d4eb8f4b04/tumblr_oq22gmTurk1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg
1657208;1494968811;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aha, "the new wokesman"
1657209;1494969784;ben_vulpes;haw haw haw "Italian Commission Says More Controls Needed on NGO Rescue Boats in Mediterranean"
1657210;1494970153;asciilifeform;!!up ua
1657211;1494970153;deedbot;ua voiced for 30 minutes.
1657212;1494970186;ua;hi there
1657213;1494970206;ua;I have 20x Dell SC1435 available, these are 2x quad 2.2 Opteron 2374HE 16GB RAM 80GB HDD
1657214;1494970244;ua;there are post leasing from poland, 175 euro apiece, 50 euro cheaper than i saw on ebay.de
1657215;1494970259;ua;these are*
1657216;1494970335;ua;also i could deliver them in person in like east germany
1657217;1494970540;asciilifeform;ua: do you only sell servers, or run an isp ?
1657218;1494970581;ua;only servers
1657219;1494970624;ben_vulpes;!!key ua
1657220;1494970624;deedbot;Not registered.
1657221;1494971201;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah, like that.
1657222;1494971425;mircea_popescu;ua logging -otc since 2013, still not made a key ? what is this, some kind of joke ?
1657223;1494971466;ua;eh, no
1657224;1494971477;ua;i was just reading and stuff
1657225;1494971485;mircea_popescu;oh i see.
1657226;1494971488;mircea_popescu;keep to it.
1657227;1494971490;mircea_popescu;!!down ua
1657228;1494972162;ben_vulpes;best binary give-a-shit filter on randos.
1657229;1494972190;ben_vulpes;no key, not even worth a cursory second look.
1657230;1494972210;mircea_popescu;not even a rando. the newborn has the excuse that he wasn't there to hear the calling ; but the dorks who frittered their time away in presence have no excuse, nor any way to wash the shame of their cowardly, subhuman build.
1657231;1494972263;mircea_popescu;there is no difference in this sense between nubbins, an idle idiot, and nanotube, a respectable professor. scammers known like theymos and lukejr, supposedly honest idiots like szabo, agents known like gavin or unknown like whatever others have this much in commom -- the call was made, and they strayed.
1657232;1494972274;mircea_popescu;no way to wash this, and i will prosecute them. all, the same scum.
1657233;1494972311;mircea_popescu;the whole "so email him" comes with quite the heavy backhand. there's no washing of the treason of not showing up.
1657234;1494972325;ben_vulpes;the genuinely naive with two brain cells to rub together mighta at least asked "what dat" "how do i register" etc
1657235;1494972345;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as genuine naivite enduring over half a decade unchanged.
1657236;1494972351;mircea_popescu;it's dedication to the devil, plain.
1657237;1494972353;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: when's the last time an insect asked you something
1657238;1494972371;asciilifeform;it ain't a rhetorical flourish, either -- nubbinses live life entirely same as a roach : set of reflexes
1657239;1494972371;ben_vulpes;yes well, i'm not going to grep through my personal logs to find out if a fleanode name'd been used before
1657240;1494972406;ben_vulpes;sit on couch, smoke pot, print things.
1657241;1494972646;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, 'finite precision number systems and arithmetic' (kornerup & matula, cambridge press) is mega-b00k, the only one i've found on subj that is NOT a mere plagiarism of knuth, has useful algos for e.g. carry-free ops, hardwarizations
1657242;1494972679;asciilifeform;had, among other things, almost literally my multiply-with-carry thing
1657243;1494972698;asciilifeform;if the crate had not taken as long as it did, to come -- would have saved quite a bit of time.
1657244;1494973050;ben_vulpes;in further butthurt from unidentifiedasswipe: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FZ4aR/?raw=true
1657245;1494973119;shinohai;lol ben_vulpes
1657246;1494973140;*;shinohai imagines this is speshul snowflake of redditard variety.
1657247;1494973195;ben_vulpes;the "could i" construction indicates a particular breed of poverty-stricken subject of her "majesty"
1657248;1494973211;ben_vulpes;to whose crown it does no credit.
1657249;1494976017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform books rule, totally, i see it.
1657250;1494976029;mircea_popescu;perfect medium for knowledge : while you wait for them to show up, you become more knowledgeable.
1657251;1494976214;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes let me guess, the ever-sweet delusion that there's room "for everyone" and that whether random sack of flesh burns or achieves is somehow my fucking problem, not its fucking problem, cuz im supposed to be his mommy.
1657252;1494976763;ben_vulpes;more of a sad little "what would getting into the wot at this late date get me anyways?"
1657253;1494976952;mircea_popescu;isn't this a little like the 18 yo girlie asking "what'd getting into fucking this late get me anyways, people'd been fucking forever"
1657254;1494976975;mircea_popescu;obviously not the fucking same question for the deeply retarded female that waited to be 50 first.
1657255;1494977138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually it was infuriating, i only needed that 1 pg !
1657256;1494977198;mircea_popescu;aww,
1657257;1494977222;asciilifeform;well possibly it has something to say re mod-exp
1657258;1494977391;trinque;ben_vulpes: this guy somehow reminds me of teh spike-sitting salesbro
1657259;1494977432;trinque;tone of "hmph so hurt omg having fit"
1657260;1494978016;ben_vulpes;do salesbros of commodity hardware throw fits where people can see?
1657261;1494978497;trinque;head too far up ass to tell who's looking.
1657262;1494983578;mod6;evenin'
1657263;1494985073;ben_vulpes;heya mod6
1657264;1494985251;shinohai;heya mod6 how goes?
1657265;1494985348;mod6;hi :]
1657266;1494985355;mod6;good. how about you guys?
1657267;1494985708;shinohai;Good here ... looking over asciilifeform 's paste from earlier
1657268;1494985714;shinohai;Like reading korean to me xD
1657269;1494985877;mod6;werd. feel free to ask if you have questions.
1657270;1494985956;shinohai;Thank you!
1657271;1494988908;mircea_popescu;north or south ?
1657272;1494989147;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, washpo aggitating over how trump gave putin "Secret Infoz!"
1657273;1494989185;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that a) trump decides what's secret and what isn't and b) lolreally ? wtf did the blue state imagine diplomacy is ? reading the fake news outloud ?
1657274;1494989576;asciilifeform;hey, theoretically he also decides whether to import aztlan or not
1657275;1494989594;trinque;trump loves suing people; what prevents him as president for suing the rag for libel?
1657276;1494989595;asciilifeform;and whether to fund berkeley genderschool or not
1657277;1494989601;trinque;*from
1657278;1494989695;asciilifeform;did he sue the rape whiners ?
1657279;1494989714;asciilifeform;like killing ants with cannon.
1657280;1494989805;BingoBoingo;In other news I think I accidently acquired alf's pole saw from hell
1657281;1494989862;BingoBoingo;Fucking piece of shit has "automatic oiler" that consists of leak half of oil reservoir between filling and picking up saw
1657282;1494989883;trinque;they sell the oil I take it?
1657283;1494989925;trinque;if not, not getting the full printer-ink out of the scam.
1657284;1494989926;BingoBoingo;trinque: It uses standard 90 weight bar and chain oil
1657285;1494989931;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: my dad's electric chainsaw leaks like a leeb too
1657286;1494990009;*;BingoBoingo contemplating sawing "fuck electric line" renting CS-800P and taking the whole fucking tree down
1657287;1494990075;asciilifeform;lol BingoBoingo , mine had no oiler, i had to take it to pieces half dozen times and put molybdenum in
1657288;1494990095;BingoBoingo;lol
1657289;1494990118;asciilifeform;chain wasn't fond of staying on
1657290;1494990328;BingoBoingo;Constantly readjusting chain tension happens with small bars, nbd. Dumping 90 weight straight through alleged "reservoir" and calling it automatic oiling is sin.
1657291;1494991853;*;BingoBoingo should have heeded alf's warning on the concept of pole mounted chainsaw and simply skipped to 36" bar and attacked tree at the stump
1657292;1494991876;mircea_popescu;i thought you just keep uncapped barrel of oil around, dip chainsaw in now and again.
1657293;1494991990;BingoBoingo;Nah, that's how you cut metal with not a chainsaw
1657294;1494995483;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/95DC728AD5B28F4F426EA956024EC2C17DAFBCB097E5F066E18E0716E1B5EDFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1446...1883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.84.16.219 (ssh-rsa key from 192.84.16.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (192-84-16-219.packet8.net. US CA)
1657295;1494995483;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/95DC728AD5B28F4F426EA956024EC2C17DAFBCB097E5F066E18E0716E1B5EDFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1623...3859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.84.16.219 (ssh-rsa key from 192.84.16.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (192-84-16-219.packet8.net. US CA)
1657296;1495000902;BingoBoingo;http://i.magaimg.net/img/jjw.png
1657297;1495002805;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/sears-takes-tool-giant-tti-to-court-as-suppliers-flee/ << Qntra - Sears Takes Tool Giant TTI To Court As Suppliers Flee
1657298;1495006860;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lel.
1657299;1495006871;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1657300;1495007447;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the morality tale is thus: Big American companies outsourcing to small Chinese upstarts creates Big Chinese companies and small American shell games
1657301;1495007549;BingoBoingo;And no, Apple is not as big as Sears was. Apple sells no iHouse, and Apple has never conducted a public service on the scale of Sears donations of toilet paper to the masses that they wrote off as marketing
1657302;1495007575;BingoBoingo;Sears also failed to buy Russia
1657303;1495027685;phf;“What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack Overflow? (2016) (quora.com)”
1657304;1495027865;phf;i somehow thought that stack overflow programming was a non-reflective activity, sort of like "hello sir madam, howdo i write network program in java??" comments on popular "epoll vs. kqueue performance analysis" posts back in the day
1657305;1495027969;phf;apparently not, there are people out there who believe that stack overflow programming is not just a viable strategy, but the only available one :o
1657306;1495027997;phf;"people"
1657307;1495028166;diana_coman;phf, the sad reality is that "school" nowadays *teaches* kids stack overflow/monkey copy/paste/ you-can-program-without-knowing-maths as "the way to learn"
1657308;1495028262;diana_coman;I saw this thing in action; and brighter kids effectively perking up when they finally find someone sane to laugh at such idiocy, call it by its name and actually help them understand something; in eternal words "it actually MAKES SENSE now!!"
1657309;1495028615;phf;i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
1657310;1495028816;phf;i saw a rambling talk by peter norvig (he called it "as we may program", considering the complete lack of substance that's as bombastic reference as it gets)
1657311;1495028846;diana_coman;it certainly fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. going to shit full-speed ahead anyway
1657312;1495029022;phf;...where he made a point that "computer science" has become an empirical science, done through experimentation, and "look it up on stack overflow" is part of the process. i thought he was joking
1657313;1495029084;diana_coman;ugh, I can't seem to find a transcript of the thing
1657314;1495029133;phf;reading, like some kind of terrorist
1657315;1495029220;phf;i doubt there's going to be one, the talk was made at lispnyc, but is otherwise very thin on lisp. ("LISP had exploratory programming, and we need exploratory programming, therefore, you lispers, go and ugh do things!1") i doubt there's any interest to transcribe it.
1657316;1495029534;diana_coman;well, 45 minutes to watch the video seem more like 45 minutes wasted; tbh the title reference doesn't bode well either
1657317;1495029665;asciilifeform;phf: same norvig who wrote ai textbook with 0 lisp
1657318;1495029681;asciilifeform;because, presumably, not fashionable
1657319;1495029689;phf;well, he also wrote an ai textbook with exemplary lisp
1657320;1495029701;asciilifeform;pre-google
1657321;1495029705;phf;right
1657322;1495029729;asciilifeform;pg also wrote a whole 2 b00kz with lisp!
1657323;1495029732;diana_coman;he got... googled and has no more lisp to offer :|
1657324;1495029786;phf;there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
1657325;1495029896;asciilifeform;attempting to understand how process works is for terrorists, aha
1657326;1495029920;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657311 >> see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615386
1657327;1495029920;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 13:47 diana_coman: it certainly fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. going to shit full-speed ahead anyway
1657328;1495029920;a111;Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
1657329;1495029940;phf;also doesn't leverage the competitive advantage of google. massive datasets, crowdsourced solutions (hire all the developers, hope something works!1)
1657330;1495029965;*;phf afk
1657331;1495031969;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657300 << heh. and the roman "empire" outsourcing to barbarians creates big barbarians and imperial shell game. see also the lulzy story of how the palace mayor became king of paris etc.
1657332;1495031969;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 07:50 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the morality tale is thus: Big American companies outsourcing to small Chinese upstarts creates Big Chinese companies and small American shell games
1657333;1495031999;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter the lulzy story of how us "coalition" works out in practice. "gee, i wonder what happens if we have no soldiers and keep paying arabs to soldier for us...."
1657334;1495032055;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657303 << "how did hoplite grow self-importance back in lacedemonia ???"
1657335;1495032055;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 13:28 phf: “What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack Overflow? (2016) (quora.com)”
1657336;1495032063;mircea_popescu;it fucking didn't, which is the fucking point. ~IT~ didn't.
1657337;1495032260;mircea_popescu;but they're not learning anything, which is to say, as a self-transformative activity. they're "learning" in the sense of "raising awareness" about themselves, which is to say : they expect, or rather act as if they rightfully expected, that the whole world changes so as to accomodate them as they are. that's the whole story of this "learning".
1657338;1495032278;mircea_popescu;then they show up at the office and expect it to be "the office", and why should people have them do work, just make an offer already.
1657339;1495032308;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657308 << aha!
1657340;1495032308;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 13:37 diana_coman: I saw this thing in action; and brighter kids effectively perking up when they finally find someone sane to laugh at such idiocy, call it by its name and actually help them understand something; in eternal words "it actually MAKES SENSE now!!"
1657341;1495032424;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657309 << "i fucking love science" aka "there's so much out there to discover" aka "paradise is moving through space in your livingroom with the big tv and tables everywhere".
1657342;1495032424;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 13:43 phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
1657343;1495032431;mircea_popescu;they built star trek, what. victory of socialism!
1657344;1495032448;mircea_popescu;worst fucking franchise in history, but whatever, it had subtext about blacks and shit, such art.
1657345;1495032468;mircea_popescu;tablets everywhere*
1657346;1495032618;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657315 << there's very little interest to even ask who the fuck this peter norvig is. i was going to the first time it popped up five lines up, but then i was, eh, whatever. i guess ima ask since it got discussed a little. who the fuck is peter norvig ?
1657347;1495032618;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 13:53 phf: i doubt there's going to be one, the talk was made at lispnyc, but is otherwise very thin on lisp. ("LISP had exploratory programming, and we need exploratory programming, therefore, you lispers, go and ugh do things!1") i doubt there's any interest to transcribe it.
1657348;1495032742;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657324 << funnily mirror of the "We used to go out and talk to women, which was interesting, but it turns out you don't need to do all that, as there's all these... um... uh... massive...errr... data..sets, yeah, that's right, massive datasets to explore!"
1657349;1495032742;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 14:03 phf: there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
1657350;1495032769;mircea_popescu;story of kid who gave up on dating because he finally discovered masturbation, all hail Saint Elliot Rodgers, the martyr of his people.
1657351;1495032862;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657329 << no you don't understand, they have really cool offices! google guy was one day walking down the mall to pick up an office, was really fascinated by mcdonalds kid section, said HELLO SIR I WANT HIRE OFFICE HERE PLEASE.
1657352;1495032862;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 14:05 phf: also doesn't leverage the competitive advantage of google. massive datasets, crowdsourced solutions (hire all the developers, hope something works!1)
1657353;1495032924;mircea_popescu;so they installed all the trampolines and tubes and whatnot, and guess what -- the retards spawned by the dumbest generation of autists in history LOVED IT!!11 omaigerd it's literally like being six all over again! there's even stylisized changing station on the wall to remind us of how mom "had to" keep us in diapers till we went to school! OMG LOVE!!!
1657354;1495033015;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657331 << oh, and speaking of this, i wonder why i want someone in wot to do isp etc. I WONDER!
1657355;1495033015;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 14:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657300 << heh. and the roman "empire" outsourcing to barbarians creates big barbarians and imperial shell game. see also the lulzy story of how the palace mayor became king of paris etc.
1657356;1495033177;mircea_popescu;o btw, re the whole "fbi wars" of trumpreich : http://trilema.com/2013/the-cold-war-experts-over-here-are-having-a-ball-these-days/ (strictly for expert interest)
1657357;1495033220;mircea_popescu;2013, right ? PUBLISHED. online. "nobody knows". oh, who's mp, that guy who pre-leaked the original cable leak by like a day and forced guardian & friends to release ??? NEVER HEARD OF HIM!!11
1657358;1495033225;mircea_popescu;i'm sure he cares.
1657359;1495033476;ben_vulpes;in other reddits and silicon valley developer fingertraps https://medium.com/@contact_16315/firebase-costs-increased-by-7-000-81dc0a27271d sure seems to imply that you can ruin the day of 'startups' using 'firebase' by hammering their service with poorly authenticated requests
1657360;1495033541;mircea_popescu;i'd ask what firebase is but by now it's getting ridiculous.
1657361;1495033659;ben_vulpes;i only have the vaguest idea from #saltminesocial
1657362;1495033695;mircea_popescu;i'm sure it's good and i should be using it.
1657363;1495033701;ben_vulpes;'saas' thing that...does user related stuff? i have no idea.
1657364;1495033754;mircea_popescu;the way scum reproduction works is that when scum's tiny it does dumb shit like this and nobody really cares about it ; then as it grows up it moves to stealing mysql and naming it something else, like facebook.
1657365;1495033780;ben_vulpes;probably tastes great with react native
1657366;1495033790;mircea_popescu;ie, the us krill is laughably vulnerable while tiny, sometimes transitions into outrageously mendacious through growing larger.
1657367;1495033905;mircea_popescu;items halfway, trying to lie but not very good at it, a la http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/ are pretty much the entirety of pasture.
1657368;1495035829;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657346 << a fairly well known quisling,
1657369;1495035829;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 14:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657315 << there's very little interest to even ask who the fuck this peter norvig is. i was going to the first time it popped up five lines up, but then i was, eh, whatever. i guess ima ask since it got discussed a little. who the fuck is peter norvig ?
1657370;1495035833;asciilifeform;!#s norvig
1657371;1495035834;a111;20 results for "norvig", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=norvig
1657372;1495035838;mircea_popescu;a
1657373;1495035848;asciilifeform;google's director of r&d.
1657374;1495035869;asciilifeform;at one time, long, long ago, a respectable fella.
1657375;1495035932;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-29#1255852 <<< phf 's verbiage endures time well.
1657376;1495035932;a111;Logged on 2015-08-29 19:40 phf: but if the argument is really reduced to воры/суки then guys above are idiots, because иван иванычи and have all the intelligentsia deficiencies
1657377;1495035947;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657356 << imho the most lulzy subtext is the tacit admission by washpo et al that wh is bugged
1657378;1495035947;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 14:59 mircea_popescu: o btw, re the whole "fbi wars" of trumpreich : http://trilema.com/2013/the-cold-war-experts-over-here-are-having-a-ball-these-days/ (strictly for expert interest)
1657379;1495035959;asciilifeform;( or how else would they have any clue re 'seekrit meeting' )
1657380;1495035978;mircea_popescu;vory/suka, for the record, is this ancient dispute in ru penal system, whereby it is verboten for respectable criminal to help the government. this going about as far as the jews, dudes won't push a fucking button.
1657381;1495036008;mircea_popescu;then stalin gave amnesty for people willing to fight zee germanz, and a bunch went. when they were picked up later for going back to the life... well... there were some philosophical disagreements inside.
1657382;1495036048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i still can't fucking believe the ivan ivanov thing.
1657383;1495037205;asciilifeform;hm?
1657384;1495037214;mircea_popescu;you recall, the elbrus salesman
1657385;1495037564;asciilifeform;baikal
1657386;1495037565;asciilifeform;but yea
1657387;1495037636;asciilifeform;( phunphakt : putin recently proclaimed another $maxint grantolade tranche for 'proper clean ru os and iron' . i dare to predict that it will evaporate without a trace just like the last N times . )
1657388;1495037795;mircea_popescu;seems likely.
1657389;1495037810;asciilifeform;and as, interestingly, china's likewise did
1657390;1495037833;mircea_popescu;"inteligenstia".
1657391;1495037836;mircea_popescu;stalin had the right idea.,
1657392;1495037842;asciilifeform;aha!
1657393;1495037857;asciilifeform;asking folx to do honest work without 1) hard ideology + 2) public impalements ,
1657394;1495037861;asciilifeform;is like asking water to flow uphill.
1657395;1495037878;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1657396;1495037951;asciilifeform;( post-su ru Official tagline, 'government without ideology', is hence quite sad joke )
1657397;1495038002;asciilifeform;afaik ~all ENTIRELY-post-su-design ru mil gear -- made by lowest bidder, runs winblowz, good largely for parade
1657398;1495038050;asciilifeform;pre-90s -- another matter; runs on magnetic cores, transistors the size of your thumb, barbaric but it'll likely still work when archaeologists dig it up
1657399;1495038068;mircea_popescu;they tried to copy what they thought the great america was doing.
1657400;1495038077;asciilifeform;what it WAS doing in 60s-70s.
1657401;1495038078;mircea_popescu;their copy has all the virtues of a xerox of a statue.
1657402;1495038146;asciilifeform;believe or not, the copies were of 2 types, the ones made by smart folx who gave a shit -- were in many cases equals, or even actual improvements (e.g. su single-chip pdp) . the others... were done by same folx who pilfer ru budget today
1657403;1495038149;asciilifeform;(elbrus et al)
1657404;1495038168;mircea_popescu;right. stalin had the right idea -- some remnants even visible under putin.
1657405;1495038175;asciilifeform;though, further twist -- the ~original~ elbrus was a spiffy superscalar machine that actually beat usa state of the art at the time (cdc)
1657406;1495038224;mircea_popescu;but the best thing that you could do as google manager is, have swat teams round up all the employees in a field somewhere, randomly shoot 10% and tell the rest the next round of shooting is in six weeks, they'd better impress.
1657407;1495038289;asciilifeform;iirc this roman custom is somewhat misunderstood by modern folx -- they actually thought they were fixing a rusted ~luck~ by offing the ~unlucky~
1657408;1495038293;asciilifeform;but perhaps this too was disinfo
1657409;1495038300;*;asciilifeform not familiar with the primary source
1657410;1495038310;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: they attempt to emulate this in safe-space style with "stack rankings"
1657411;1495038315;mircea_popescu;vlad tepes famously offered lavish banquet for the city poor (which at the time meant, men crippled so they can not work, are reduced to begging). he gave them ~ two hours, after which burned down the thing / guards cut down anyone trying to get out.
1657412;1495038327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc i translated that one here
1657413;1495038336;mircea_popescu;efficient market hypothesis -- he correctly judged that by the time music is being played and dancing is going on, the faux beggars had pushed out the real ones.
1657414;1495038350;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509574 << thread
1657415;1495038350;a111;Logged on 2014-02-16 23:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fave story re: tepes: 'Некогда же обедоваше под трупием мертвых человек, иже на колие саженых, множество бо округ стола его; он же среди их ядяше и тем услажашеся. Слуга же его, иже пред ним ясти ставляше, смраду оного не могии тер
1657416;1495038354;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes aha. dun work otherwise.
1657417;1495038377;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but the usual retellings don't include the EMH reference, there's no explanation as to why it worked.
1657418;1495038383;asciilifeform;tru!!
1657419;1495038393;mircea_popescu;it works for the same reason ratios don't work in prisons etc.
1657420;1495038422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the romans didn't think. the romans did.
1657421;1495038430;mircea_popescu;the romans specifically and explicitly despised men that thought.
1657422;1495038433;asciilifeform;aha!
1657423;1495038433;mircea_popescu;they'd call you greek.
1657424;1495038561;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the most important thing being that they must be ~shot~. it's not that you lose "standing in the profession you were befouling". you must lose unrelated things.
1657425;1495038612;mircea_popescu;don't like the guy's driving, shoot his kid. sure, "kid is innocent", "that was uncalled for" bla bla. point fucking remains -- now he has to make another one, which takes no driving. at driving -- he sucks, so he can't appreciate what that means. putatively at other thing he doesn't suck nearly as much, so he CAN appreciate.
1657426;1495038617;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-29#996930 .
1657427;1495038617;a111;Logged on 2015-01-29 05:22 asciilifeform: as in, hot iron.
1657428;1495038630;mircea_popescu;this is what education is all about : putting the inept's ineptitude in terms he can understand. simile is the fundamental device thereof.
1657429;1495038679;mircea_popescu;and the simile is, "if your lungs and liver and etcetera worked the way you code, you'd be just as dead as this guy."
1657430;1495038728;ben_vulpes;not giving the practice any sort of legs to stand on, merely pointing out the american plastic version of another correct republican thing.
1657431;1495038750;mircea_popescu;yee
1657432;1495038794;ben_vulpes;worm relegated to the bowels of amazon because never ranked over three, and never at risk of firing because never ranked at two is happy to munch turds forever.
1657433;1495038804;mircea_popescu;oya.
1657434;1495038824;mircea_popescu;he even has time to "human knowledge on quora"
1657435;1495038836;ben_vulpes;oh and participate in #uraniummine social
1657436;1495038841;ben_vulpes;we call these "lykkins"
1657437;1495038848;mircea_popescu;from lychen ?
1657438;1495038870;ben_vulpes;from a worms handle.
1657439;1495038885;ben_vulpes;but yes, nearly self-parodic.
1657440;1495038926;mircea_popescu;the amusing thing being that these are in the vast majority male. for all the black eyes women get for free.
1657441;1495038943;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-17#511308 << the tepes tale in question, from earlier. )
1657442;1495038943;a111;Logged on 2014-02-17 15:20 asciilifeform: try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t
1657443;1495038994;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-5-true-to-his-word/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 5 - True to his word
1657444;1495039143;ben_vulpes;the female lykkins get impregnated by the male lykkins and then spend all their time bitching about how his salary isnt enough for her and her spawns needs instead of you know buckling down and cooking, cleaning, making the shelves and other fixtures herself like any wife worth having.
1657445;1495039163;mircea_popescu;oya.
1657446;1495039171;asciilifeform;!#s dependopotamus
1657447;1495039172;a111;17 results for "dependopotamus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dependopotamus
1657448;1495039259;mircea_popescu;if anyone's curious, the "drakula" thing is phonetic misnotation. the guy's father, vlad, was surnamed dracul /drakul/. drac means devil in modern romanian, but it also meant dragon at the time (1400s). dracul is articled form, -ul is how you make "the x" from "an x". the man got the surname because of german decoration he wore, which to locals looked like dragon.
1657449;1495039294;mircea_popescu;now the ~kid~, was named draculea /drəkulea/. this is a diminutive, exactly in the way "little boots" worked in latin. the term'd denote exactly that, little dragon-guy spawn.
1657450;1495039372;asciilifeform;aha caligula
1657451;1495039380;asciilifeform;(boots)
1657452;1495039394;mircea_popescu;if alf had a kid and he was worth a ro name he'd probably be alfisor
1657453;1495039463;mircea_popescu;anyway, but the misnotaiton : it's not /a/ it's /ə/. dr/ə/kula.
1657454;1495039467;mircea_popescu;now you have fodder for dinner party.
1657455;1495039549;asciilifeform;in other olds, http://fatphil.org/maths/AKS << observe : almost all of the links -- dead.
1657456;1495039584;mircea_popescu;heh. the web progresses, alf. what do you want all those old websites for.
1657457;1495039591;mircea_popescu;i'm sure they didn't even have proper large text.
1657458;1495039604;mircea_popescu;(notice how this cycle goes ? i recall a 1990s large font craze also.)
1657459;1495039607;asciilifeform;http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/src appears to be the only surviver.
1657460;1495039975;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: a three stroke engine?!
1657461;1495039983;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1657462;1495040030;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you ben_vulpes , i'm a writer not an engineer. i don't know so much about engines, just seemed to me like the right number. why, is it wrong ?
1657463;1495040085;ben_vulpes;not wrong so much as very fittingly /silly/
1657464;1495040106;mircea_popescu;(amusingly -- flaubert allegedly spent $longinterval trying to decide which temperature reading is the correct number, between 19 and 17 or somesuch. or maybe it was proust. anyway.)
1657465;1495040161;mircea_popescu;also amusingly, but on purpose, this sam story is becoming quite the intertextual lulz. it's a joy.
1657466;1495044474;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-6-that-was-too-much/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 6 - That was too much
1657467;1495044689;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/#comment-122056 << ftr these are bots
1657468;1495044698;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: filter must not be 100%
1657469;1495044735;mircea_popescu;no i know. i find them amusing.
1657470;1495044740;asciilifeform;lolk
1657471;1495044759;mircea_popescu;moreover : can you prove they're not redditards ? how exactly.
1657472;1495044773;mircea_popescu;adds to the amusement. is it me who talks to bots unknowingly ? or is it...
1657473;1495044842;asciilifeform;occam's razor suggests bot vs redditor-who-liked-trilema
1657474;1495044877;asciilifeform;( also where did it put the viagra link ?? or did mircea_popescu strip it manually )
1657475;1495044879;trinque;asciilifeform claiming a distinction must still point to the distinction!
1657476;1495044901;asciilifeform;trinque: redditus is indistinguishable with naked eye from perl script, news at 11
1657477;1495044905;mircea_popescu;i did not strip, hence the lulz.
1657478;1495044937;asciilifeform;( with the 1 diff that a spambot has some sort of constructive purpose, if only to detune filters, whereas redditus has none )
1657479;1495044939;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> what can i tell you ben_vulpes , i'm a writer not an engineer. i don't know so much about engines, just seemed to me like the right number. why, is it wrong ? << This actually might be most right
1657480;1495044939;mircea_popescu;leaving the aesthetics aside for a minute to focus on the technical -- i imagine these are testers, ie, "whether it works". no links.
1657481;1495044947;mircea_popescu;lel
1657482;1495044960;asciilifeform;hm likely
1657483;1495044962;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this theory of yours is flawed. there is no such thing as purpose in nature.
1657484;1495044977;asciilifeform;well yes. redditus is a wild beast
1657485;1495044979;mircea_popescu;purpose is an after the fact construction. like "religious artefacts"
1657486;1495044980;asciilifeform;spambot is an artifact
1657487;1495044987;asciilifeform;presumably constructed deliberately
1657488;1495045020;mircea_popescu;pasteurization exists not because l. pasteur WANTED TO {preserve milk ; get recognition ; fuck more chicks} but because pasteur COULD.
1657489;1495045056;mircea_popescu;which is why a good hospital is the one where the doctor says "well mr p, here's what we could do to you" as opposed to "here's what we want to do "
1657490;1495045091;asciilifeform;'we do what we must, because we can' (tm)(r)(valve)
1657491;1495045097;mircea_popescu;dun dun DUN
1657492;1495045129;mircea_popescu;but -- wild beast "purpose", to reproduce, to eat, etc.
1657493;1495045171;mircea_popescu;the clear proof (for the expert) that purpose is meaningless is the simple fact that if you accept it, then it follows as universal, whereas if you don't accept it, it's universally absent. this is always and everywhere the fate of null notions.
1657494;1495045202;mircea_popescu;once it's obvious that either everything has a purpose or nothing does, it's therefore established there is no such thing as purpose.
1657495;1495045226;mircea_popescu;now, let us quote that idiocy with "either everyone has justice, or no one does" ? or leave it for later.
1657496;1495045310;asciilifeform;i can still observe sharpened stick and guess, likely correctly, that it was made so as to go into flesh; vs different stick, that - again correctly - i will say broke off a tree, by the wind.
1657497;1495045329;asciilifeform;'purpose' in this sense is not an attribute of the object, but of the object-and-maker system. see also the thread re 'rng entropy'
1657498;1495045334;mircea_popescu;and be right some of the time, and write the regexp for it.
1657499;1495045344;asciilifeform;lol
1657500;1495045348;mircea_popescu;aka "we don't need ai, we got google data!!!"
1657501;1495045351;mircea_popescu;works well enough, sure.
1657502;1495045366;asciilifeform;asciilifeform ain't in the mechanizing-away-your-brain business.
1657503;1495045379;mircea_popescu;but purpose alfie! purpose!
1657504;1495045450;asciilifeform;'what colour are your bits'
1657505;1495045598;asciilifeform;upstack : iirc in one of n. stephenson's tales, future spamola is decoupled entirely from human hands, is shat forth by long-unmanned and fully autonomous self-propagating 'ai virii'
1657506;1495045614;asciilifeform;and nobody can remember even why it ever appeared.
1657507;1495045621;mircea_popescu;sort of like background radiation making life impossible.
1657508;1495045632;mircea_popescu;except -- of the mind.
1657509;1495045755;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit is that lem's future is the actual one -- where buncha idiots get brain-wrecked into believing themselves robots , while similar number of similar idiots -- believe that they are served by robots, etc
1657510;1495045761;asciilifeform;('futurological congress')
1657511;1495045860;asciilifeform;'the fact that the back wheels were attached to the outside of the body rather than any kind of axle, as per the latest fashions and discoveries of French technology at the time' << l0l!!!
1657512;1495045864;*;asciilifeform falls down
1657513;1495045916;mircea_popescu;>D
1657514;1495045939;mircea_popescu;i try to have a little for everyone!
1657515;1495046878;asciilifeform;in unrelated noose, asciilifeform recently investigated state of the art re primality testing, and did not like what he found
1657516;1495046989;mircea_popescu;did same cca 2015 ims.
1657517;1495047627;asciilifeform;for instance, i am no longer sure about http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525264 .
1657518;1495047627;a111;Logged on 2016-08-19 15:26 asciilifeform: (interest in the subj is slim, on account of miller-rabin probabilistic test provably converging - i.e. probability of catastrophic failure can be made smaller than probability of machine flattened by asteroid the same night)
1657519;1495047646;asciilifeform;because the actual proof of this ~in re the practical incarnation~ appears to be absent.
1657520;1495047785;asciilifeform;in other oddities, https://factordb.com/status.php
1657521;1495048154;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-7-the-actual-paddling/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 7 - The actual paddling
1657522;1495052904;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1657523;1495052913;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1780.0, vol: 17463.97575161 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1752.649, vol: 8043.95471 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1850.4, vol: 15757.76775439 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1566.931998, vol: 10950.31920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1820.26, vol: 7552.18450898 | Volume-weighted last average: 1760.93007647
1657524;1495053119;ben_vulpes;why is it crashing
1657525;1495053231;BingoBoingo;What is crashing anymore?
1657526;1495053677;mircea_popescu;because we didn't take seriously whatever random dork last made a social media post about things and matters and saving bitcoin.
1657527;1495053680;mircea_popescu;what was it ?
1657528;1495053683;*;mircea_popescu goes to check
1657529;1495053702;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1657058 there we go
1657530;1495053702;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 18:40 shinohai: https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/an-open-letter-to-bitcoin-miners-c260467e1f0   <<< /me doesn't know why he lolz so much at smacktards that write this drivel.
1657531;1495053729;mircea_popescu;i hope it shall be a lesson for all of us!
1657532;1495053789;asciilifeform;in other lulz, the venerable rat shack, american retail chain, that survived great depression ( founded 1921 ) -- is finally dying. ( for 2nd time ! 1st time had last-minute reprieve, a telco bought it )
1657533;1495053820;mircea_popescu;which is this ?
1657534;1495053824;asciilifeform;these were the folx who sold resistors etc for their weight in gold. and when this did not bring in megabux, added phone and various rubbish.
1657535;1495053832;asciilifeform;'radio shack'
1657536;1495053838;mircea_popescu;ah ah.
1657537;1495053856;asciilifeform;i went in, everything incl. furniture is for sale
1657538;1495053873;mircea_popescu;hey, the great again is going great, all the us "corporation!!!" turds popping like overstuffed frogs.
1657539;1495053900;asciilifeform;asciilifeform bought up the lithium thionyl chloride batteries, for pennies
1657540;1495053907;*;mircea_popescu wonders if he'll actualy be going on american safari this decade, no less.
1657541;1495053924;asciilifeform;only 1 problem mircea_popescu -- there's very little meat to be had on this safari.
1657542;1495053930;asciilifeform;that anyone would want to eat, that is
1657543;1495053948;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't mind chasing some usians around a little from a truck before finally shooting to maim and leaving them for dead.
1657544;1495053954;asciilifeform;sport hunt - yes
1657545;1495053957;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/hings-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-8-sam-finally-gathered/ << Trilema - hings That Happened To Sam. Chapter 8 - Sam finally gathered
1657546;1495053957;asciilifeform;meat hunt - problematic
1657547;1495053962;mircea_popescu;that's what safari is all about.
1657548;1495054060;mircea_popescu;remember back when obamschev days, apple had like 30bn hoard of cash, the "economy" had "recovered" from crisis etc ?
1657549;1495054072;mircea_popescu;how well it was going just before croaking!
1657550;1495054103;asciilifeform;not only this: the very same ratshack actually died once (i went to the same liquidation sales, bought the furniture, etc) and then somehow came BACK from the grave, (no prizes for guessing how -- printolade) undead, to live for another 3y
1657551;1495054110;mircea_popescu;even unemployment was down. nobody knew what inflation was...
1657552;1495054176;asciilifeform;it was a sort of canary - dying co. since 1990s, propped up by hell-knows-what, 'brand value', 'must maintain business-as-usual', i have nfi
1657553;1495054198;asciilifeform;a little like how reddit lives on, unharmed by the depth of its -ev
1657554;1495054219;mircea_popescu;kinda hard to sell the whole "corporate and venture capital" VHS tape to idiot kids considering "their future" if the radio shack goes bankrupt.
1657555;1495054219;asciilifeform;( who pays for the servers, the censor monkeys, etc. ? )
1657556;1495054236;mircea_popescu;o no, you don't understand, REDDIT NOTES!!!1
1657557;1495054244;mircea_popescu;both legal and sane, like the dual aspect of particles.
1657558;1495054250;asciilifeform;can still do -- at lolmart. which is how it died -- or how westinghouse died, usg decided that 1 GE suffices
1657559;1495054254;asciilifeform;and that 1 bank suffices. etc
1657560;1495054294;mircea_popescu;should be funny because bureaucracy also seems to think 1 microsoft and 1 intel also suffice.
1657561;1495054351;asciilifeform;phunphakt : asciilifeform bought his first soldering iron on setting foot in usa, and the various junk to do with it, at ye olde ratshack
1657562;1495054371;mircea_popescu;"leveraging the synergies" or how's it called, "ironing out the waste and inefficiency" ? anyway. why need apple when has windows and intel ? samsung can make the tablets as usg.intel profit center.
1657563;1495054389;asciilifeform;and why sell electronic parts : Only A Terrorist would want such a thing.
1657564;1495054411;asciilifeform;( fwiw modern konsoomer devices have ~0 scavengeable bits. )
1657565;1495054441;mircea_popescu;proper research should be conducted in proper lab with note from hitler and those inept access control lulz.
1657566;1495054469;asciilifeform;i suspect that in not too long, ratshack will be remembered the way the folx who sold, openly and for cash on barrel, chemical glassware are remembered - which is to say not at all, 'you gotta be shitting me, there were never'
1657567;1495054495;mircea_popescu;lel
1657568;1495054509;mircea_popescu;this no longer exists ?
1657569;1495054524;asciilifeform;not in 'civilized' world, no.
1657570;1495054530;mircea_popescu;pretty sure i took girl through walk among erlenmeyer glasses etc.
1657571;1495054533;mircea_popescu;ah.
1657572;1495054555;asciilifeform;not on asciilifeform's home planet, either -- there folx simply stole glass from work
1657573;1495054570;asciilifeform;but legend has it that usa at one time had such shops.
1657574;1495054572;mircea_popescu;existed chemical supply store, you went and bought.
1657575;1495054582;mircea_popescu;i bought stuff in such!
1657576;1495054590;*;asciilifeform believes.
1657577;1495054610;mircea_popescu;mortar and pestle, graded pipettes, tube for your own burning, bunsen burners you could hook to same thing as stove, etc.
1657578;1495054636;mircea_popescu;kickass burners, too, mechanically adjustable for flame temp!
1657579;1495054649;*;asciilifeform has one
1657580;1495054957;asciilifeform;http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com << for archaeologists.
1657581;1495055008;asciilifeform;and woah, NOT PDF !!
1657582;1495055015;*;asciilifeform floored
1657583;1495055240;asciilifeform;http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1993/h169.html << 486!
1657584;1495055368;ben_vulpes;tandy!
1657585;1495055380;asciilifeform;aaha
1657586;1495055390;asciilifeform;http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1994/h192.html << moar tandy.
1657587;1495055453;asciilifeform;http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1994/h049.html << remember these ? analogue!
1657588;1495055520;asciilifeform;http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1995/h188.html << watch how they slowly switched from bundling useful/fun things, to microshit appz
1657589;1495055637;ben_vulpes;no i don't actually remember any of these marvels
1657590;1495055647;ben_vulpes;i was raised under the glorious unified apple toolchain
1657591;1495055673;asciilifeform;that one was to be found at, e.g., 'comp usa' ( i sometimes went there, marveled )
1657592;1495055690;asciilifeform;marveled at the 50 $ ( good money in those days ) scsi cables etc
1657593;1495055718;asciilifeform;'what's the use of a comp with no command prompt' -- asciilifeform 20y ago ( and now ! )
1657594;1495057003;asciilifeform;in other olds, http://www.techlib.com/science/xraydefender.htm
1657595;1495057062;asciilifeform;^ this is a costly diode btw. 150 $ in small qty.
1657596;1495058176;ben_vulpes;in omgwtfbbqs https://promisesaplus.com/
1657597;1495058222;asciilifeform;josephsmithing of dataflow, lol
1657598;1495058224;asciilifeform;snoar.
1657599;1495058402;asciilifeform;in very other olds, http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/Pseudoprimes/index-2-to-64.html
1657600;1495058810;asciilifeform;in not-so-olds >> http://e-maxx.ru/algo/bpsw << not only algos but benchmarks ! because not anglotards.
1657601;1495058921;asciilifeform;whereas in anglotardistan, we have : http://aperiodical.com/2016/03/i-bought-isthisprime-com
1657602;1495058927;asciilifeform;'This year, I’ve been thinking about prime numbers, and my hosting provider has run another sale on domain names. So, I’ve bought isthisprime.com. You can probably guess what I’ve made it do.'
1657603;1495058934;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1657604;1495060057;asciilifeform;in other idiocies, https://sale.urbit.org is selling address space, this time Officially, and for btc. ( what good scamola ain't sold for btc ) . ( link won't display unless you enter code. 8112.7bd0.7ae6.6f17.b65d.3cb5 should work . )
1657605;1495060099;asciilifeform;https://sale.urbit.org/#legal-risk << lulzy, from same
1657606;1495060498;ben_vulpes;i wonder if my old ship still works on their network
1657607;1495060535;mircea_popescu;in other news, wtf are they talking about, "death threat." they call it "life insurance", why the fuck is it a death threat. it should be a life threat.
1657608;1495060551;mircea_popescu;not like dude's threatening to go around the cemetery and make you be alive against your will...
1657609;1495060621;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did yarvin / urbit EVER do anything other than selling "space" of various description ? it's like reddit by now, wut.
1657610;1495061007;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what else could he possibly sell.
1657611;1495061052;mircea_popescu;!~google things that sam sold
1657612;1495061053;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 15 Best and Worst Deals at Sam's Club | GOBankingRates: <https://www.gobankingrates.com/personal-finance/10-best-worst-deals-sams-club/>; Natalie & Sam | Equality Now: <http://www.equalitynow.org/campaigns/trafficking-survivor-stories/natalie-sam>; Costco, Amazon, Sam's Club: Strangest Supersized Purchases ...: <http://time.com/money/4426128/costco-bjs-amazon-supersize-bulk-purchases/
1657613;1495061059;mircea_popescu;heh.
1657614;1495061134;*;asciilifeform looks up the latest names :
1657615;1495061134;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: he wrote a browser for pre ios mobile devices, it funded some half-decade of reading, fathering, beach-shitting.
1657616;1495061159;asciilifeform;bottom 8bits he now calls 'galaxy', each one gets 8bits of 'star'
1657617;1495061166;mircea_popescu;in the sense that kramerica industries aka the new york living wage dept funded a decade of kramer's reading and beach shitting.
1657618;1495061174;mircea_popescu;dude also wrote a book. about coffee tables.
1657619;1495061208;asciilifeform;so asciilifeform's sold for 4.5 btc. today urbit wants 500 usd worth of btc for ~star~.
1657620;1495061226;asciilifeform;so massive sense of 'to the moon', apparently, among the adherents.
1657621;1495061227;mircea_popescu;well of course it's sinking, wtf. fiatola turds.
1657622;1495061245;asciilifeform;that ain't a sinking
1657623;1495061252;ben_vulpes;b-but limited supplies mircea_popescu !
1657624;1495061254;asciilifeform;256 stars per galaxy
1657625;1495061264;mircea_popescu;oh, your galaxy sold for 4.5 ?
1657626;1495061267;asciilifeform;aha
1657627;1495061281;ben_vulpes;what not sinking, that's a tidy pile of usd is it not?
1657628;1495061290;mircea_popescu;hey, by the time nobody's buying the blades of grass, this uppity tortilla v2.0 will be just about ready for the abstruse tardstalk posts.
1657629;1495061290;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 << subj
1657630;1495061320;mircea_popescu;!~calc 500 / 1800 * 256 / 4.5
1657631;1495061322;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 500 / 1800 * 256 / 4.5 = 15.802469135802468
1657632;1495061337;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes 1580% !!11 GROWTH!!!
1657633;1495061346;mircea_popescu;could be an apple, all this putative equivalency bs.
1657634;1495061355;*;asciilifeform has nfi who , if anyone , is buying these nao
1657635;1495061360;asciilifeform;or how many, etc
1657636;1495061364;mircea_popescu;same as then. you bought right ?
1657637;1495061368;asciilifeform;fuck no
1657638;1495061376;mircea_popescu;o really ? wow. i am so shocked.
1657639;1495061377;asciilifeform;recall, i was handed one as prize
1657640;1495061383;asciilifeform;for solving a riddle
1657641;1495061394;mircea_popescu;it's almost like that tyime when mp said silk market is a joke and then it turned out couldn't sell a pound of coke over xmas.
1657642;1495061406;mircea_popescu;SERIOUS BIZNIS! GROWTH!! ETC!
1657643;1495061409;asciilifeform;( then sold it to infamous schmuck. wonder what became of him )
1657644;1495061424;mircea_popescu;i wonder what became of schmuck who bought the silk road pound of coke.
1657645;1495061437;mircea_popescu;it's almost like i might suspect it was sold by fed coke repository and bought by fed coke repository.
1657646;1495061445;asciilifeform;i was abouttosay
1657647;1495061452;asciilifeform;he put it back in the evidence room with the other sandwiches
1657648;1495061465;mircea_popescu;to be sold later as part of "sting operation".
1657649;1495061465;asciilifeform;( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629952 )
1657650;1495061465;a111;Logged on 2017-03-20 22:32 asciilifeform: 'one time we got lost in the woods, and i was afraid that i would have to eat Tippy. then we were rescued, and i put Tippy back into the fridge, next to the other sandwiches.'
1657651;1495061519;ben_vulpes;p-pound of cocaine?
1657652;1495061531;asciilifeform;i thought it was supposed to be a whole kg
1657653;1495061531;mircea_popescu;yes.
1657654;1495061533;ben_vulpes;who even.
1657655;1495061543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they use metric in tardlands now ?
1657656;1495061553;ben_vulpes;the only retards who sell drugs by the pound even in tardlandia are the potheads.
1657657;1495061569;mircea_popescu;whatever, considering the "Fake it til lyou might eventually make it" attitude prevalent among the herd, it migh've been a nickle bag everyone kept pretending.
1657658;1495061569;*;asciilifeform not up to date on subj
1657659;1495061581;asciilifeform;hey gabriel_laddel !
1657660;1495061585;asciilifeform;in what unit is it sold !
1657661;1495061592;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes actually, drugs reach market by the ton, so that's evidently false.
1657662;1495061606;asciilifeform;yes but long tonne or short ?!!111
1657663;1495061608;ben_vulpes;metric or imperial?
1657664;1495061609;mircea_popescu;lol
1657665;1495061621;mircea_popescu;ima call you engineers like i mean it.
1657666;1495061649;asciilifeform;( are there disengineers ? from disingenuous )
1657667;1495061681;mircea_popescu;anyway, that was the original "sting" re silk road, some narc pretended to be a seller there ("hacked account, ie social engineered) and tried to sell pound of coke, nobody was buying so dork in charge decided to buy it on his own accouint. to "save face", because apparently "drug marketplace" that can't place a pound somehow has some face to be saved
1657668;1495061697;mircea_popescu;~all comes back to the eternal "i'm a dog that thinks on the internet nobody can tell i'm a dog."
1657669;1495061729;asciilifeform;i thought it was supposed to be 'radio shack' business model, which sell penny resistors for $2 ea.
1657670;1495061737;ben_vulpes;i still don't buy this imperial unit drug trade thing, but never having seen either metric or us tonne of any kind of product, will have to defer to those claiming knowledge
1657671;1495061744;mircea_popescu;are we talking talking or are we talking business ?
1657672;1495061749;asciilifeform;that sr was to cut up the kg and sell at 1000% margin to folx who want to sit at home and get via the post
1657673;1495061757;ben_vulpes;i am talking business
1657674;1495061777;*;asciilifeform has nfi, and will bbl, off to visit last gasp of a ratshack
1657675;1495061800;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes are trucks in the us weighted in metric or dumbass ?
1657676;1495061876;ben_vulpes;this, dumbass
1657677;1495061891;ben_vulpes;i understand "reach the market" mircea_popescu
1657678;1495061900;mircea_popescu;business!
1657679;1495061941;ben_vulpes;tangentially, i luled at "horned"
1657680;1495061944;ben_vulpes;in latest sam
1657681;1495061949;mircea_popescu;>D
1657682;1495062003;ben_vulpes;will sam an hero?!
1657683;1495062006;ben_vulpes;tenterhooks
1657684;1495062018;mircea_popescu;what's a tenterhook ?
1657685;1495062034;ben_vulpes;~edge of seat
1657686;1495062043;mircea_popescu;ah. tbh haven't quite decided yet.
1657687;1495062109;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-8-sam-finally-gathered/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 8 - Sam finally gathered
1657688;1495062112;*;ben_vulpes did not expect a response
1657689;1495062180;ben_vulpes;do find it funny that mircea_popescu eschews the "muh characters have a mind of their own!" line
1657690;1495062568;mircea_popescu;well it is third person.
1657691;1495062590;mod6;i gotta catch up with latest sa
1657692;1495062591;mod6;m
1657693;1495062610;mircea_popescu;make sure you got tissues!
1657694;1495062760;mod6;heheh. ok!
1657695;1495063403;mod6;Here's the results from the second run of FG #5: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.ent_run2.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.dieharder_run2.txt
1657696;1495063411;mod6;last run is underway...
1657697;1495066063;mircea_popescu;and in other random, isn't it funny that for all the millions of dorks going about finding "contradictions in the bible" there can't be had a single dork going about seeking "contradictions in wikipedia" ?
1657698;1495066129;mircea_popescu;almost as if it were the case the whole "contradictions" bs is really a subcase of "unearthing hypocrisy", ie the traditional codeword of the inept adolescent "fighting" with authority.
1657699;1495066133;mircea_popescu;because why should there be any!
1657700;1495072210;ben_vulpes;a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
1657701;1495072212;ben_vulpes;and it takes ME
1657702;1495072221;ben_vulpes;LOSING MY PATIENCE with the NOISE WHEN I GO TO PISS
1657703;1495072245;ben_vulpes;to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run DRINKING WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE TOILET
1657704;1495072267;ben_vulpes;and i didn't even need to bring any tools! or wire to extend the chain!
1657705;1495072271;ben_vulpes;JUST UN FUCKING KINK IT
1657706;1495072277;ben_vulpes;and LO
1657707;1495072286;ben_vulpes;the waste has now STOPPED
1657708;1495072350;ben_vulpes;on a floor where very nearly every door features a black lives matter and "in our democracy love wins"
1657709;1495072408;ben_vulpes;and yet nobody except for the guy who benefits barely an iota from the fixing of the externality shoveling appears to give the slightest shit about the wasting of the single greatest blessing after my dick this metropolis has ever enjoyed
1657710;1495072449;ben_vulpes;i will be SURE to listen VERY CLOSELY the next time a portlander has something to say about environmental justice and global warming.
1657711;1495074612;asciilifeform;where are you ben_vulpes
1657712;1495074748;asciilifeform;aand why.
1657713;1495074977;mircea_popescu;i dunno but sounds like they might've vaporised something in that wc.
1657714;1495075017;asciilifeform;whereas i finally have a quadracode reader. courtesy of an ex-ratshack's cash register.
1657715;1495075186;mircea_popescu;cool.
1657716;1495077823;asciilifeform;!!up fromdeedbot
1657717;1495077823;deedbot;fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1657718;1495106626;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/090DE0A92A6663072D4E9A404B6399E98F59D4C4C4825A31B580100BF4CB72B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2258784834417548090216554557864463 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Kristian Biss (Mfr Voll Name) <Kristian.Biss@piraten-mfr.de>; Trotzik (Bei Zeus die Dicken schon wieder) <trotzik@piraten-mfr.de>; '
1657719;1495108300;mircea_popescu;!!key JonDough
1657720;1495108301;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/4681799E4A3839FB6267BA99698534526C751CD3
1657721;1495108952;mircea_popescu;trinque ^ 404 ?
1657722;1495110240;phf;!#vulpes
1657723;1495110240;a111;JUST UN FUCKING KINK IT
1657724;1495110247;phf;!#vulpes
1657725;1495110247;a111;a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
1657726;1495110279;shinohai;lel
1657727;1495110330;mircea_popescu;!#phf
1657728;1495110338;mircea_popescu;oh I SEE HOW IT IS
1657729;1495110346;phf;get yo own bot
1657730;1495110359;mircea_popescu;our democracy is based on love!
1657731;1495110377;shinohai;Censorship!
1657732;1495110402;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long until they market the democrachip.
1657733;1495110502;phf;i think the word chip is ruined for marketing purposes by clipper
1657734;1495110976;phf;i moved into a new place closer to the lizards, had a funny exchange in the lobby. this lady "got lucky" and "bought a house at list price" because apparently "everyone's scared because of the upcoming impeachment".
1657735;1495110992;mircea_popescu;lmao
1657736;1495111014;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, there's a price higher than list ?
1657737;1495111251;phf;i will probably get this wrong, but as far as i understand, here houses are sold any arbitrary number above list, and it's whatever seller can get away with
1657738;1495111263;mircea_popescu;uh.
1657739;1495111288;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would anyone buy if they're not getting a discount from list.
1657740;1495111342;mircea_popescu;i guess i've been doing it wrong all these years ?!
1657741;1495111417;mircea_popescu;seems to go against the most basic logic -- if the asset is worth more than its list in your hands, why should i take over management ? clearly you know what you';re doing and should keep doing it.
1657742;1495111462;mircea_popescu;or what, you're going to tell me these prices aren't based on discounted cash flows and other such actuarial judgements ? in the world's greatest economy the world's smartest people acting like a bunch of nation of africa retards ? unthinkabru!
1657743;1495111488;phf;it's an investment in your future and the future of your family
1657744;1495111562;mircea_popescu;yes, if you buy it at a discount.
1657745;1495111573;mircea_popescu;otherwise it's an investment in the other guy and his fambly.
1657746;1495111632;phf;it's an excellent place to raise the kids, have you consulted with your wife?
1657747;1495111692;phf;in this market the price is only going to go up, so you can flip the house when you are ready for retirement
1657748;1495111706;mircea_popescu;i dun has a wife ;/
1657749;1495111770;mircea_popescu;but i do occasionally buy at list price, for small occasionals like say when going out to a restaurant. i could have the slavegirls replicate anything on the menu, and it would come out even better half the time, but unless i care it's not worth the hassle.
1657750;1495111786;mircea_popescu;who the fuck buys large or repeating items at list and why the everfucking love would they.
1657751;1495111825;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine these people are all trillionaires and so couldn't possibly care less about a million-ish item, chiefly because the us has no trillionaires.
1657752;1495112224;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-fixed-phpminiadmin-v-19170312/ << Trilema - How I fixed phpMiniAdmin (v 1.9.170312)
1657753;1495112309;mircea_popescu;^ take that, asciilifeform ! ha-HA!
1657754;1495112400;*;asciilifeform reads 
1657755;1495112460;mircea_popescu;javascript idiots actually implemented base64 as "btoa" and "atob".
1657756;1495112473;mircea_popescu;WORST. fucking function names. ever.
1657757;1495112514;mircea_popescu;i spent five whole minutes belabouring under the misapprehension that it's metasyntactic reference, some sort of prototype and you gotta replace the a and b.
1657758;1495112527;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what does the proggy actually do ?
1657759;1495112532;mircea_popescu;which makes no sense, except NEITHER DOES ANYTHING ELSE THEY DO
1657760;1495112539;asciilifeform;i've not used it
1657761;1495112546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform web interface, prepopulates selects and etc so you don't have to type them.
1657762;1495112552;asciilifeform;aah
1657763;1495112568;mircea_popescu;also loads various infos on screen so you don't keep having to go "explain x" to see what x.table is ACTUYALLY named
1657764;1495112589;asciilifeform;high-tech
1657765;1495112605;asciilifeform;all i got is a txt full of schema and various crib sheet...
1657766;1495112605;mircea_popescu;it's a cannonical example of what gui is/needs to be, obviously command line works but fuck me, really, i will type select so and so by hand each time all the time ?
1657767;1495112640;asciilifeform;!!up ave1
1657768;1495112640;deedbot;ave1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1657769;1495112656;ave1;Hello, I've been reading the ffa code
1657770;1495112702;ave1;I've come up with this mod-exp function:
1657771;1495112705;ave1;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rXBLV/?raw=true
1657772;1495112750;asciilifeform;your square is needlessly slow
1657773;1495112754;ave1;It's a basic adaptation of what you can find on the web
1657774;1495112757;asciilifeform;aha
1657775;1495112765;ave1;Yes I was thinking that too
1657776;1495112774;ave1;(about the square)
1657777;1495112786;asciilifeform;only reason i haven't posted one yet is the square, presently making a proper one
1657778;1495112797;asciilifeform;otherwise looks quite like yours, ave1
1657779;1495112808;asciilifeform;who, incidentally, might you be, ave1 ?
1657780;1495112811;ave1;aha, I also tried division first
1657781;1495112821;ave1;Just reader of the logs for past year or so
1657782;1495112822;asciilifeform;maybe register with deedbot, delurk ?
1657783;1495112832;ave1;yes I have registered...
1657784;1495112838;mircea_popescu;!!key ave1
1657785;1495112839;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/57EE94EA6F2049A47DAFA8568F4CE8F777BC59F9.asc
1657786;1495112857;mircea_popescu;!!rate ave1 1 slow square!
1657787;1495112859;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iHm49/?raw=true
1657788;1495112864;asciilifeform;lol
1657789;1495112873;ave1;my division was many times slower (as I did a shift N left on every iteration)
1657790;1495112875;asciilifeform;latest posted ver has division btw.
1657791;1495112888;mircea_popescu;how to ensure a rating ? make it fucking irresistible lol.
1657792;1495112896;ave1;I noticed, very elegant
1657793;1495112911;mircea_popescu;ave1 you can self-voice now, say !!up to deedbot whenever.
1657794;1495112926;ave1;many thx mircea!
1657795;1495112965;ave1;at least trying first, made understanding it a lot easier
1657796;1495113054;asciilifeform;ave1, mod6 , phf , et al -- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MlSwC/?raw=true << most recent.
1657797;1495113055;mircea_popescu;and appreciating it also.
1657798;1495113064;ave1;yes
1657799;1495113082;*;mircea_popescu suspects this may well be alf's favourite passtime. the endless field of register-clever, like a sort of chess.
1657800;1495113150;asciilifeform;!!rate ave1 1 ada lurker
1657801;1495113152;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tYWMC/?raw=true
1657802;1495113185;asciilifeform;!!v 9098459089A87712E2E8DDDCD679D58F5C31000BF385454A18A68F812A5BE23F
1657803;1495113185;deedbot;asciilifeform rated ave1 1 << ada lurker
1657804;1495113434;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-fixed-phpminiadmin-v-19170312/#comment-122063 << holy shit almighty, would you look at that ?
1657805;1495113462;mircea_popescu;i had to talk of javascript. who the fuck thinks like this, i wish to know, "oh, i'll htmlencode a string and then replace some of the escaped items".
1657806;1495113574;mircea_popescu;inb4 "it's because unicode, mp!"
1657807;1495113824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's the idiotlang where ~all you get is string transforms
1657808;1495113868;*;asciilifeform was reading, for lulz, a js bignumatron , a few days ago, and marveling at the sheer wtf
1657809;1495113872;mircea_popescu;imo the lang is fine, the unicode is bullshit, in this case.
1657810;1495113882;asciilifeform;incidentally there can be no question of fixed-time ops in there
1657811;1495113882;mircea_popescu;numbers, diff story.
1657812;1495113903;mircea_popescu;heh, nevermind fixed time -- no question of fixed result ops.
1657813;1495113914;asciilifeform;i'd rather write in befunge.
1657814;1495113916;mircea_popescu;maybe your 5+4 = 9.0000001, maybe .99999997, depends on arch
1657815;1495114000;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657733 << y'know php, i naively thought that market for, say, key escrow, was also ruined by clipper. but turns out no! goxes, keybases, etc. abound.
1657816;1495114000;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 12:28 phf: i think the word chip is ruined for marketing purposes by clipper
1657817;1495114012;mircea_popescu;ahahaha he called him php
1657818;1495114017;asciilifeform;lol!
1657819;1495114022;asciilifeform;phf ^
1657820;1495114037;asciilifeform;them fingers betray.
1657821;1495114038;Framedragger;lang is fine??? i will remind peeps of http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/towashitallaway.html
1657822;1495114046;Framedragger; Number.prototype.valueOf = function(){return 42;};
1657823;1495114062;mircea_popescu;Framedragger "imo the lang is fine, the unicode is bullshit, ~in this case~. numbers, diff story."
1657824;1495114066;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657734 << apparently this is the new fecal consensus -- nyt et al running 24/7 ads 'impeach nao!111' etc
1657825;1495114066;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 12:36 phf: i moved into a new place closer to the lizards, had a funny exchange in the lobby. this lady "got lucky" and "bought a house at list price" because apparently "everyone's scared because of the upcoming impeachment".
1657826;1495114066;Framedragger;now every number equals 42! everywhere, on your whole site / 'app'!
1657827;1495114078;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ah yeah kk, terms
1657828;1495114255;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657737 << as i understand it, house 'buying' (virtually nobody actually buys , in usa, they take out massive mortgage) by a human, is not a financial transaction in the usual sense, in the sense you buy petrol . it is instead a fat-harvesting transaction, where you pay 100% of what the lizards weigh you to be worth.
1657829;1495114255;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 12:40 phf: i will probably get this wrong, but as far as i understand, here houses are sold any arbitrary number above list, and it's whatever seller can get away with
1657830;1495114286;asciilifeform;( granted this is different for 'investors' who buy'em up by the 1000. speaking here of humans who want place to live. )
1657831;1495114319;mircea_popescu;in qntra news today,  https://мвд.рф/news/item/10246388/
1657832;1495114347;asciilifeform;lol!!!
1657833;1495114380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't comprehend this logic. how exactly is economy supposed to cease functioning once you enter your own door ? does water, strictly flowing downhill at the office, change its mind at home ? do you see it jump out of the sink, against gravity, and figure "oh, but of course, i'm not at work anymore duh!"
1657834;1495114413;mircea_popescu;seems to me same old thermodynamics applies at "work" and at "home". maybe i've just not had the right wife yet ?
1657835;1495114438;asciilifeform;it's the logic of big-G constant. planet -- can hold atmosphere; piece of orbital rubbish - not.
1657836;1495114467;mircea_popescu;this'd seem to explain why the redditards are single, as opposed to harem'd. not why they're poor.
1657837;1495114482;asciilifeform;why are auschwitz inmates poor ?
1657838;1495114485;asciilifeform;same concept.
1657839;1495114494;asciilifeform;there's a harvester, it harvests, wat.
1657840;1495114535;mircea_popescu;i don't see it. piece of orbital rubbish 1/10^9 of planet doesn't go "you know what, your force isn't enough to move planet a meter, but i'll move 2*10^9 meters because hey, i'm just piece of rubbish not planet!
1657841;1495114557;mircea_popescu;you want to lift a gram, you need a mN just like if you want to move a ton you need 1kN. there's no tiny discounts.
1657842;1495114721;asciilifeform;real estate is quantized, asciilifeform can't go and buy a ~usable~ square metre of land for 1000 $
1657843;1495114744;mircea_popescu;and from this it follows asciilifeform will go and donate $1k to "real estate quantizer" ?
1657844;1495114758;mircea_popescu;if you can't buy, it just means IT CANT SELL.
1657845;1495114769;asciilifeform;not directly. but it follows that he will sit on 1000 $ until it gets eaten by inflation ( or alternatively vodka, or whichever )
1657846;1495114792;mircea_popescu;even leaving bitcoin aside, there's obviously bangladesh.
1657847;1495114799;mircea_popescu;or w/e, north korea, i guess.
1657848;1495114820;asciilifeform;'hi, this is pyongyang? i'ma a schmuck in usa, i want to buy a square metre'
1657849;1495114833;asciilifeform;'whaddayamean you only take gold dubloons'
1657850;1495114846;mircea_popescu;you'd go and see the square metre in wash swamp, if you were to buy it, yes ?
1657851;1495114851;mircea_popescu;same principle.
1657852;1495114864;mircea_popescu;and i have like a suspicion north korea would take dollars if available.
1657853;1495114875;asciilifeform;physical dollars - possibly
1657854;1495114884;mircea_popescu;so then.
1657855;1495114892;asciilifeform;upstack -- point is that nobody's about to run city pipes to a square metre.
1657856;1495114930;mircea_popescu;it's utterly unclear waht your chosen straw man has to do with the discussion, but anyway.
1657857;1495114935;asciilifeform;( recall marvin heemeyer aka 'killdozer' d00d and his encircled machine shop ? apparently rules re 'easements' are complicated. )
1657858;1495114991;asciilifeform;i dun see how this is unclear, if i walk into bezzlebroker with 1% of what house costs, i can't walk out with 1% of a house.
1657859;1495115018;mircea_popescu;the discussion was re buying at list / retail is for suckers / buying assets implicitly means they are discounted / stuff like that.
1657860;1495115044;asciilifeform;can't disagree here
1657861;1495115044;mircea_popescu;the core is the simple observation that if your trade value of whatever item is above book value, you should continue to manage it, not me.
1657862;1495115056;asciilifeform;the only negotiating leverage available to the plebe, however, is not to buy. at all.
1657863;1495115059;mircea_popescu;because obviously you're doing a good job of it.
1657864;1495115059;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657756 << naming scheme possibly lifted from c's `atoi`, heh
1657865;1495115059;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 13:01 mircea_popescu: WORST. fucking function names. ever.
1657866;1495115075;mircea_popescu;wtf is atoi
1657867;1495115077;asciilifeform;which turns out is not actually a button that's connected. by paying mega-rent, asciilifeform is buying OTHER d00d a house.
1657868;1495115087;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: string to int
1657869;1495115088;mod6;ascii to int
1657870;1495115101;mircea_popescu;...
1657871;1495115109;mircea_popescu;so what"s atoi("hurr") ?
1657872;1495115112;asciilifeform;eggog
1657873;1495115121;Framedragger;is itoa implemented in stdlib by default, then, as expected? NO! because fuck you
1657874;1495115140;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what this is. so what does it do, changes the string 9 to the numeral 9 ?
1657875;1495115141;Framedragger;literally eggog (undefined)
1657876;1495115156;mod6;mircea_popescu: ya
1657877;1495115159;Framedragger;it spits back an int if it can parse the ascii string into one
1657878;1495115165;Framedragger;otherwise fucks your wife
1657879;1495115171;mircea_popescu;and "9.5 10^8" too ? or other random formats ?
1657880;1495115179;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is literally free to produce whatever rubbish it likes. because this is somehow useful to the folx who were dropped as children and wrote unix.
1657881;1495115188;Framedragger;only base 10 digits iirc
1657882;1495115209;mircea_popescu;apparently they DID lift it from there then.
1657883;1495115216;mircea_popescu;heck, might've lifted whole language from this paradigm.
1657884;1495115221;Framedragger;the best take from the best
1657885;1495115238;mircea_popescu;apparently i lived a whole life without doing these strange conversions.
1657886;1495115241;Framedragger;well yes, JS is a mixture of things, Self, C, etc, the best mixture of them all
1657887;1495115244;mircea_popescu;is it actually stdlib ?
1657888;1495115247;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379892 << see also oblig-naggum
1657889;1495115247;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 17:28 asciilifeform:  it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?'
1657890;1495115262;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: one is stdlib, the other one (itoa iirc) is not!
1657891;1495115281;mircea_popescu;i learned c at some point, but this left no trace somehow.
1657892;1495115303;Framedragger;in which we realise mircea_popescu's source of sanity
1657893;1495115316;mircea_popescu;forgetfulness ?
1657894;1495115342;Framedragger;gc!
1657895;1495115422;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657831 << i dun wanna let this slip by . so : '12 May , the dept. of IT and information defense of the ru ministry of internal affairs detected a malware attack against PCs belonging to the ministry which were running Windows.',
1657896;1495115422;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 13:31 mircea_popescu: in qntra news today,  https://мвд.рф/news/item/10246388/
1657897;1495115463;asciilifeform;'On account of timely measures, about a thousand infected machines were blocked off , which constituted less than 1%'. (?)
1657898;1495115471;Framedragger;(related, via punkman http://boingboing.net/2017/05/17/prophylactic-bricking.html )
1657899;1495115475;mircea_popescu;o hey, check it out, elbrus running java.
1657900;1495115479;mircea_popescu;1/3 < 1/100
1657901;1495115495;asciilifeform;'Servers belonging to the ministry were not infected on account of the use of alternative operating system and natively produced servers using the ru elbrus cpu'
1657902;1495115528;asciilifeform;'currently the activity of the virus is localized. leakage of official information from ministry machines is wholly ruled out, quoth the official representative of same, ...'
1657903;1495115529;asciilifeform;etc.
1657904;1495115542;mircea_popescu;is this per hectare ?
1657905;1495115716;asciilifeform;'the real nexus of this photo is the government official with the "you've got to be kidding me" expression, who exists in a power-structure that requires solemn professions of belief in this powerful weirdo's dumb rituals (including, but not limited to, spraying electronic devices with water, and not because a computer that has been rendered inoperable due to electrical faults is incidentally and thoroughly immune to malware)' >>>>>
1657906;1495115716;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=428
1657907;1495115881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have nfi re the actual meaning of the linked text. simply translated.
1657908;1495115903;mircea_popescu;back in the old days, all the successes used to be per hectare ;/
1657909;1495115919;asciilifeform;it is an obvious product of people who have nfi what the subject matter even is, and simply pasted fragments in microshit word together.
1657910;1495115939;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: just fyi, the site (osalabs.com) loads - you don't have a root CA which signed their certificate (letsencrypt cert). of course the point is still valid
1657911;1495115941;mircea_popescu;why should they know. they just want to wifechildrenhome amirite.
1657912;1495115948;mircea_popescu;Framedragger awww.
1657913;1495115967;mircea_popescu;he missed out on getting a trilema link because of the letsencrypt bs ?
1657914;1495115976;mircea_popescu;well, i can only hope they're paying him enough to compensate.
1657915;1495116012;asciilifeform;iirc it was (is?) this thing that gives away ssl certs for phree
1657916;1495116039;mircea_popescu;"girl missed out on date because someone gave out garbage for free and she rubbed it all over. FREE!!111"
1657917;1495116074;asciilifeform;in protest against the nonsense where people ( who insisted on using ssl, but originally this was made mandatory for users of visa ) had to pay rentseeking hucksters thousands for 'this cert will work and browsers won't complain'
1657918;1495116098;mircea_popescu;so is visa paying oleg enough to compensate him for the loss of trilema link ?
1657919;1495116117;asciilifeform;i have nfi why folx volunteer to use ssl.
1657920;1495116134;mircea_popescu;apparently, for same reason they buy real estate above list price.
1657921;1495116152;mircea_popescu;something something wife something something fambly, something something alt-universe at home where water flows uphill.
1657922;1495116218;Framedragger;i've seen ~sane uses of ssl, with self-signed pinned cert (verified via side channel). it happens.
1657923;1495116230;Framedragger;yesyes, the whole format is broken, yes EC, so basically almost as bad as bitcoin :)
1657924;1495116247;mircea_popescu;what, ec with arbitrary curves ?
1657925;1495116264;mircea_popescu;there's layers to this ec story.
1657926;1495116275;asciilifeform;Framedragger: format is broken in ways that dun even have to do with crypto (e.g. toggles for silently turning off whatever elements)
1657927;1495116277;Framedragger;i don't recall but i believe you can define ~all the params for DH key exchange in ssl, i think
1657928;1495116280;asciilifeform;plus heartbleeds etc.
1657929;1495116280;Framedragger;as an example
1657930;1495116293;asciilifeform;it's a multi-meg atrocity, it is broken DEFINITIONALLY
1657931;1495116298;Framedragger;there is that
1657932;1495116331;Framedragger;anyway, why mircea_popescu prefers one shit-CA over the other, i'm not sure
1657933;1495116332;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why the specifics need even be discussed. who cares WHAT was in the dumpster girly put on her head ? point remains, FREE!!11 is a garbage heuristic.
1657934;1495116338;mircea_popescu;i do ?
1657935;1495116353;mircea_popescu;dude, archive.is can't load his dumbass site. what do you want from me.
1657936;1495116355;Framedragger;you have some CA roots, therefore you (implicitly or explicitly) prefer some, neh?
1657937;1495116367;mircea_popescu;i don't even care, myself!
1657938;1495116368;Framedragger;it can't? it loaded it for me! huh
1657939;1495116375;mircea_popescu;really ?
1657940;1495116385;mircea_popescu;link ?
1657941;1495116393;Framedragger;https://archive.is/Yzbbj
1657942;1495116402;mircea_popescu;isn't that from years ago ?
1657943;1495116420;mircea_popescu;nevermind the 2015. gimme a 2017 version.
1657944;1495116487;Framedragger;hah, it's loading but seems to be stuck. lol
1657945;1495116488;mircea_popescu;and in general -- if curl -k can't get you, you really don't exist.
1657946;1495116497;Framedragger;yesyes.
1657947;1495116509;Framedragger;yup, archive.is failed on new site
1657948;1495116513;Framedragger;ic.
1657949;1495116586;Framedragger;i wonder if it's due to the cert. probably yes. yeah, sad!
1657950;1495116632;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would some kid want his blog on https is anyone's guess.
1657951;1495116660;mircea_popescu;"oh, it has advantages!11". i'm sure it does. you also miss out on trilema links. let me know when those advantages even it out.
1657952;1495116672;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, you wouldn't be linking to me anyway" "and this says what about you ?"
1657953;1495116771;Framedragger;that i don't understand, either. all them web designers, too, gotta protect those PNGs in transit
1657954;1495116806;Framedragger;(but i thought this protects me from gobmint spying!)
1657955;1495116810;mircea_popescu;and in other random, apparently the proper way to say chocolate in cr is xocolata.
1657956;1495116817;mircea_popescu;shit's fabulous though.
1657957;1495116821;Framedragger;(virtue signalling i suppose)
1657958;1495116845;mircea_popescu;it absolutely is that, just like the unthinking http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657708 bullshit.
1657959;1495116845;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 01:52 ben_vulpes: on a floor where very nearly every door features a black lives matter and "in our democracy love wins"
1657960;1495116964;*;mircea_popescu used to have a very poor reaction / low tolerance to ineptitude in that vein "oh i shouldnt end up naked on the first date" from chicks who saw stupid americana on tv and imagined it's an example to follow back when he was 16. it deteriorated over time.
1657961;1495119995;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657821 << for extra lulz, Framedragger , that thing turns to liquishit on all browsers, on all of my boxes
1657962;1495119995;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 13:27 Framedragger: lang is fine??? i will remind peeps of http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/towashitallaway.html
1657963;1495120018;asciilifeform;or at least all tried thus far. ( i suspect that it doesn't like vertical display )
1657964;1495120040;asciilifeform;surprising number of gui proggies -- don't
1657965;1495120063;asciilifeform;almost as if they have a if (xres < yres) barf()
1657966;1495120144;mircea_popescu;wtf is it, pdf in html ?
1657967;1495120148;Framedragger;:(. it's a pdf-to-js'totron. myeah.
1657968;1495120169;Framedragger;pdf almost saner in this instance. fwiw i did try with lynx, it showed the text. but yeah.
1657969;1495120170;asciilifeform;the funny bit is that i have 0 problem reading actual pdf, even have dedicated hardware for it
1657970;1495120174;asciilifeform;but this nonsense -- no
1657971;1495120227;mircea_popescu;dude check it out!
1657972;1495120232;Framedragger;it'd really be great if there were a ~decent pdf2html tool, with no JS. and i don't mean just "extract and dump plaintext", i can do that, too.
1657973;1495120239;mircea_popescu;m8{transform:matrix(0.237500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.237500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.237500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
1657974;1495120240;mircea_popescu;.m4{transform:matrix(0.245000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.245000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.245000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
1657975;1495120240;mircea_popescu;.m2{transform:matrix(0.247500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.247500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.247500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
1657976;1495120240;mircea_popescu;.m0{transform:matrix(0.250000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.250000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.250000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
1657977;1495120242;mircea_popescu;.m3{transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
1657978;1495120245;mircea_popescu;.m7{transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
1657979;1495120248;mircea_popescu;.m1{transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
1657980;1495120251;mircea_popescu;.m6{transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
1657981;1495120254;mircea_popescu;why THE FUCK does this exist ?
1657982;1495120273;Framedragger;preserve fonts and pdf formatting? yeahyeah.
1657983;1495120283;mircea_popescu;are you kidding me ?
1657984;1495120288;mircea_popescu;!!up moli_
1657985;1495120289;deedbot;moli_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1657986;1495120295;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657897 << "due to heroic actions of Praporshchik Sidorenko, the aggressor has been neutralized, but unfortunately resulted in death of selfsame praporshchik, who will be awarded a medal posthumously, and his vdova will receive 500 rubbles in recognition of his heroism"
1657987;1495120295;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 13:51 asciilifeform: 'On account of timely measures, about a thousand infected machines were blocked off , which constituted less than 1%'. (?)
1657988;1495120310;mircea_popescu;matrix transforms, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591144 and on it goes
1657989;1495120310;a111;Logged on 2016-12-27 17:44 mircea_popescu: holy shit "Quaternion.Euler" is a full blown core function. and wait, there's more : http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/765683/when-to-use-quaternion-vs-euler-angles.html
1657990;1495120317;mircea_popescu;basically webtards fucking love math or what is it ?
1657991;1495120346;Framedragger;guess so.
1657992;1495120348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform still lem ?
1657993;1495120407;mircea_popescu;Framedragger a cursory look at the pile (complete, btw) makes it obvious matrices were not the correct approach for this problem, whatever it might have been.
1657994;1495120494;mircea_popescu;there's also one thousand lines of spurious nonsense in the vein of .x3e{left:412.722800pt;}
1657995;1495120500;mircea_popescu;really, six digit pt ?
1657996;1495120566;mircea_popescu;and THEN the WHOLE thing is five lines of div id="pf1" class="pf w0 h0" data-page-no="1"><div class="pc pc1 w0 h0"><img class="bi x0 y0 w1 h1" alt="" src="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAABC4AAAWfCAIAAADrrCCVAAAACXBIWXMAABYlAAAWJQFJUiTwAAAgAElEQVR42uzdW5Mjx5n/9zzVAUCju+dAUlpqJfmvXa/DYb8IvwiH354vfOkX5QuHI/6SOJzpA1BVmfk8vsBwOBoOyUaiqlDo/n5idyNE7Qy7C4XM/OXhSauq5pKlrhs+3J3yN/i2bW6uDQDgku3++9+P/SOrt2+s9zw6ADgXxyMAAFw6
1657997;1495120566;mircea_popescu;FSn4U9bRCQIAUQQAgJOySNEKv7U8OQAgigAAUC7HeHT/FwLPDQCIIgAAnEaOXhWxRBEAIIoAAHCiglURX1U8NwAgigAAcBJN6fgOkIMiAHBmLE8DAC6eHB9FWBUBgH+hmvr+6CzRtkQRAMAL7j2LKvlSPgsAvmhLj72sz7ftiVGEDVoAgEvvP0sq+XKpCAB8ruDQnT15pysNMQDgxXWfVPIFgC8dX4rQnbzTlSgCAHhx3SeVfAHgCyXTOt4TRQAAdJ/H4cw6AHyhoBTh6TtdiSIAgBfXfVLJFwC+UFCK0LIqAgCg+zz2j7AqAgCfKyxFeDKiCADgovvPkvJZVPIFgBPbUl/XRBEAwMvuPYtm8qjkCwCfKzh0Z8ZoSGmLAQAXTFI+uuejfBYAfNmYHr8q0rAqAgB42VSPXhWhki8AfKHkf
1657998;1495120567;mircea_popescu;kPLqggA4IV3n/1wdM8XPM8NAD5XUIpwlLaUKAIAuGTHnxU5vfokADy3pvQcl4oQRQAAly0PBasibNACgJ8VVvIdoxQhUQQAcLn9Z0klX0slXwA4rS0dpZIvUQQAcMm9Z1klXzZoAcBnCkoRmpFKohNFAAAvqPvkRhEA+EJBKcJRKvkSRQAAL6v7dCNtKgCAZ6OgFOEolXyJIgCAl9V9UskXAL50/GbXsdpSoggA4AV1nxwUAYAvFJQitJwVAQDQfR7d7VHJFwA+V1SK0IxUipAoAgB4Qd0nlXwB4F+a0pLdWaPN6RBFAAAvpfs0bNACgH9VUoqQKAIAIIoc3X1SyRcAvmhLCyr5VhVRBADwokk+eiaPSr4A8IWCUoTGjbbTldN7l5xiRX65VZq9B199RJLyp9Bvrfu8Ah1PbOkf4mfDTR
1657999;1495120572;mircea_popescu;X5fPTpQvi075/P8SVGkRiP/SPWXeRBka+29uawyMPRl5+eT/7N9+FTy89DM6q/tqJIQ/pSG9NzrooQRS5jKHYYSR9ia+66J+XVEGwILnjrvQvBef8SGl/NOceY+0FTkpSO+FLVtXHOV5WrgvWeXRxn+ewOSUNiVFEZhrKDdDYEPscXMwA9+ti6G6/7nGhIrSKS0rHfgk8tmPX+0OzT1P/OE2tbF7wLlavCM24oDg/KiOYYjcgTK85Z51xdW2ddVb2c8cNLVlCKcMRXwmpZAa/FSF03fLg75W/wbdvcXC8uoKYkQ8x9X/J+/PoozdWVrxtfV8+pWVGRPAx53434rIwxYb0KbetCWMKz0pz3//zhxL9k9fbNogYohz5SYpQhlg0mnvg5Pr93Hge7//73Y/9I+/rV0tLIp1F1Wfz+jXDim8b
1658000;1495120577;mircea_popescu;V1fMpXqyah5i67onzcUeMhJwL65VvmufwrFQlpTwMuetHbFddCL5tXKiW05YWdItLGO+V9ebr776decAwm+pqw6rIwhJIPLSz/Ygd0r/Em5TSbn/opcJ6fenjs9wP8eFholFs2u0/PavqarPwydSLecMnyNhP/BxdCNXVlW84KvCiLWf+W1LKfZ92+ylae2NMHobDt+wZjLMPPePhizzJ6FAkPjzGh8fDs6rW64vrGVVEYkq73URNq6QkD+nTgL5ar87eJ+bL3J850ff9X9PoJa0xWO+JIkuZxkh9H+8fZnhHv+ilDs3uha3mq8bdLj48zves3g2X20U
1658001;1495120596;mircea_popescu;tell you what, if i wanted to put uncacheable pngs somewhere on the web, i'd have NOT needed 1k lines of six decimal place pt specifications nor inept matrices and their useless transforms.
1658002;1495120600;phf;pretty much as close as it gets to pdf-izing html
1658003;1495120613;mircea_popescu;next time just load the fucking images, as images, like trilema does it.
1658004;1495120693;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657972
1658005;1495120693;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 15:10 Framedragger: it'd really be great if there were a ~decent pdf2html tool, with no JS. and i don't mean just "extract and dump plaintext", i can do that, too.
1658006;1495120695;Framedragger;maybe i missed it.
1658007;1495120715;phf;that transform:matrix is the "standard" way of doing object positioning and movement (they displacement is optimized in gpu, so if you're actually moving objects around it's faster then css x,y positioning)
1658008;1495120762;mircea_popescu;and if you aren't actually moving objects around, it's just dead weight.
1658009;1495120762;phf;i'm not sure why jump through these hoops for static content though. position:absolute; left: top: still work
1658010;1495120804;mircea_popescu;similarily to how the millionth fraction of a pt is meaningful if you print a km sq picture of all the cunts of all the women currently alive and then intend to go check out the indvidual ingrown hairs with a magnifying glass.
1658011;1495120852;moli_;hi thanks for voicing, i just want to let you guys know bamb0u has been smearing your name on bitcoin core slack
1658012;1495120860;mircea_popescu;of course the cunts in question wouldn't actually be fonts, but anyway. wtf-8.
1658013;1495120878;mircea_popescu;moli_ what's a bitcoin core slack ?
1658014;1495120903;moli_;it's a stupid slack to house people like bamb0u
1658015;1495120912;mircea_popescu;so then what's the problem.
1658016;1495120935;moli_;nothing, how you doing, mircea_popescu ? you've been quiet on the media
1658017;1495120952;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you are aware that item does nothing whatsoever, you could have published screenshots for the same effect.
1658018;1495120975;Framedragger;in retrospect i *should* have published screenshots. at this rate original pdf is sorta-better.
1658019;1495120979;Framedragger;:(
1658020;1495120981;mircea_popescu;moli_ i think the media's just as petrified of saying my name today as years ago.
1658021;1495121001;moli_;i really hope so
1658022;1495121021;mircea_popescu;anyway, there was a sort-of working js to txt item alf was demonstrating at some point. i dun recall where it ended up.
1658023;1495121137;mircea_popescu;!!up gargantus
1658024;1495121137;deedbot;gargantus voiced for 30 minutes.
1658025;1495121298;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yes, to text yes, hence why i said plaintext is the easy part ^. but you're right, maybe text is the way to go in these shitcases...
1658026;1495121310;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine why it wouldn't be.
1658027;1495121340;Framedragger;for one, there are some lulzy screenshots showing the insanity of JS event loop, and exceptions, and css rendering, etc.
1658028;1495121343;Framedragger;but myeah.
1658029;1495121368;mircea_popescu;really. i don't want to watch some dork on video. i don't want to watch his stupid slides. i don't want to watch his facebook. really all this "rich content", diagrams-hyelogryphs-bs is only there because illiterate monkey has nothing to say.
1658030;1495121429;Framedragger;i disagree that visuals cannot add more than text all of the time. best way to depict broken css rendering is to depict it.
1658031;1495121444;Framedragger;of course, usually the medium is misused - sure.
1658032;1495121457;mircea_popescu;depict in as what, adding some screenshots in the text ?
1658033;1495121463;Framedragger;yes
1658034;1495121469;Framedragger;i see yer point :)
1658035;1495121496;mircea_popescu;the content is never the problem. it always and universally goes to shit when they attempt to control ~the consumption~ of content. hence drm and css, hence return mid paragraph "because i don't want YOU to scroll horizontally" etc.
1658036;1495121513;mircea_popescu;all of it is the same thing, a deeply misguided attempt to control the reception of the message. focus on the fucking message.
1658037;1495121526;mircea_popescu;i'll receive it as i'll receive it, that's my problem.
1658038;1495121584;mircea_popescu;girls going "i don't know how to tell you this" are in for a beating on the strength of that alone, meanwhile whole generation of dorks having not much to say at all fretting ineptly about ~the way~ they're saying it / "presenting themselves" expect this to somehow work.
1658039;1495121593;mircea_popescu;it dun work, it's just that nobody loves them enough to beat them for it.
1658040;1495121738;mircea_popescu;and for the record, soap operas, action movies, talk shows etc haven't replaced literature strictly because there's no way to say "we're in the business of emission, make your own fucking receiver sets" when it comes to television. that and no more.
1658041;1495122180;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657992 << nah, standard formulation
1658042;1495122180;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 15:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still lem ?
1658043;1495122190;mircea_popescu;i thought that's what a lem is.
1658044;1495122202;asciilifeform;lem was this polish d00d
1658045;1495122225;mircea_popescu;and theo rem was german!
1658046;1495122240;asciilifeform;!~google stanislaw lem
1658047;1495122241;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Stanisław Lem - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%25C5%2582aw_Lem>; List of works by Stanisław Lem and their adaptations - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Stanis%25C5%2582aw_Lem_and_their_adaptations>; Stanislaw Lem : the official site: <https://lem.pl/>
1658048;1495122247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm just fucking around!
1658049;1495122249;asciilifeform;lolk
1658050;1495122269;asciilifeform;i have no doubt mircea_popescu knew . but for l0gz/n00bs ^ subj.
1658051;1495122272;mircea_popescu;i'm bitter because i misidentified some quote a while back
1658052;1495122296;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657972 << this is a mis-priored problem and will have atrocious 'solutions', guaranteed.
1658053;1495122296;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 15:10 Framedragger: it'd really be great if there were a ~decent pdf2html tool, with no JS. and i don't mean just "extract and dump plaintext", i can do that, too.
1658054;1495122323;asciilifeform;it's a little bit like asking for a nonsense-to-sense converter.
1658055;1495122334;mircea_popescu;babbage did it!
1658056;1495122340;asciilifeform;lolaha.
1658057;1495122360;mircea_popescu;incidentally, that's prolly the only acceptable definition of intelligence.
1658058;1495122373;mircea_popescu;"only nonsense-to-sense converter known in nature"
1658059;1495122432;mircea_popescu;suddenly puts the ai as digital-machine-intelligence problem in its proper perspective, and also supplies a very good explanation for the genysym issue. people going think() are ACTUALLY approaching the river at the other end.
1658060;1495122454;mircea_popescu;the reason our brains work and computers don't is, to a significant portion, that our brains actually define what PASSES FOR sense.
1658061;1495122459;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658008 << idea was, you ~are~ 'moving' objects by asking them to be laid out on a display of unknown (to author) resolution. this began as a ~sane 'postscript' and bloviated into a usgologic monstrosity, pdf
1658062;1495122459;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 15:19 mircea_popescu: and if you aren't actually moving objects around, it's just dead weight.
1658063;1495122474;asciilifeform;but the PROBLEM was an intrinsically WRONG problem to have to begin with
1658064;1495122487;mircea_popescu;and whyssat ?
1658065;1495122489;asciilifeform;it isn't a thing which anyone, outside a printing house perhaps, has any business doing on a regular basis.
1658066;1495122510;mircea_popescu;oh, because everyone watches the internet on standard issue tvs ?
1658067;1495122521;asciilifeform;well no, because (originally) reflowtron.
1658068;1495122544;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1658069;1495122565;asciilifeform;it was actually mircea_popescu who convinced me of this. that reflowable text was a step in right direction.
1658070;1495122582;mircea_popescu;but this wasn't a core item in the original was it ?
1658071;1495122597;asciilifeform;which original ? postscript ? it was intended for printer
1658072;1495122602;mircea_popescu;yes, ps.
1658073;1495122618;asciilifeform;because printer ( of the print house variety, not asciilifeform's old rattler ) takes pages, not scroll
1658074;1495122650;mircea_popescu;while i think it's broadly true that ps yielded tex and pdf in world and gutter respectively, it's not clear the ps folk understood reflow, or generally speaking the problem they were trying to approach.
1658075;1495122671;mircea_popescu;more of a "i just wanna my printer to"
1658076;1495122691;asciilifeform;tex predates
1658077;1495122712;mircea_popescu;as usage i mean, not as the item.
1658078;1495122716;asciilifeform;ps had 0 to do with reflow, it was specifically made for nonreflowing ( bounded layout ) devices
1658079;1495122803;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's theory -- we got pdf (postscript on comp display, really) because of the barfalicious failures of the www folx ( html etc )
1658080;1495122810;mircea_popescu;anyway ; afaik the whole reason tex exists is because sometime in early 80s/ late 70s knuth got some galley proofs from the new photo process and hated them
1658081;1495122816;mircea_popescu;those galley proofs were made in a pre-ps.
1658082;1495122830;asciilifeform;pre-tex, typesetting was ~manual process
1658083;1495122837;mircea_popescu;nah.
1658084;1495122841;asciilifeform;and folx with 5th grade education were typesetting equations etc
1658085;1495122856;mircea_popescu;there WAS the molten metal tech, same as what they printed the 1929 nyt on. but cca 1970s it was replaced by photo
1658086;1495122868;asciilifeform;'manual' i did not mean 'same as gutenberg'
1658087;1495122869;mircea_popescu;ftr knuth liked the first edition (metal), hated 2nd.
1658088;1495122882;asciilifeform;but 'not direct loop from mathematician to photosetter'
1658089;1495122895;asciilifeform;i.e. an unwanted set of human hands in between.
1658090;1495122902;mircea_popescu;phototypesetting, it's a thing, uses lenses instead of lead.
1658091;1495122906;asciilifeform;aha
1658092;1495122920;asciilifeform;( phunphakt : troff originally was a driver for one )
1658093;1495122931;mircea_popescu;and they had you know, linotypes and stuff. dedicated computrons.
1658094;1495122949;mircea_popescu;(including the only items with pit style monitors, other than in alfs home, that i ever knew of.)
1658095;1495122961;mircea_popescu;anyway. afaik that's what ps came from.
1658096;1495123081;asciilifeform;the ~physical~ process of typesetting had already matured then, aha
1658097;1495123089;asciilifeform;(today it is approx. same as then)
1658098;1495123096;asciilifeform;tex was concerned with the ~logical~ end.
1658099;1495123141;asciilifeform;ditto postscript (dealt with other end of the funnel -- the low-level pixel-pushing, rather than 'what to do with equations')
1658100;1495123147;mircea_popescu;point being, there was some software running the crap knuth didn't like, wrote replacement.
1658101;1495123198;mircea_popescu;but, postscript is NOT the invention of some adobe dorks. postscript was a thing cca 1976, and stolen, ~wholly, from already existing print process, by eg warnock.
1658102;1495123241;phf;how's that?
1658103;1495123259;mircea_popescu;which is what i mean. ps (that eventually yielded pdf, and also what you apparently think is ps) yielded tex through knuth's reaction to it.
1658104;1495123278;asciilifeform;by same logic could say it was stolen from chuck moore's forth
1658105;1495123283;mircea_popescu;phf how's what ? dude at some company was trying to print geodata.
1658106;1495123289;asciilifeform;it was not a wholly unprecedented item, no.
1658107;1495123296;asciilifeform;very much a synthesis-invention
1658108;1495123296;mircea_popescu;it was entirely not novel.
1658109;1495123332;mircea_popescu;the adobe ps is the warnock wtf he called it, system something or the other. xerox parc also had something, of course, but it died out.
1658110;1495123370;mircea_popescu;(ie, they hired warnock, he rewrote it for them)
1658111;1495123579;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658022 << iirc it was just a sh script to rasterize the pages to jpegs ! a la http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html .
1658112;1495123579;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 15:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, there was a sort-of working js to txt item alf was demonstrating at some point. i dun recall where it ended up.
1658113;1495123621;asciilifeform;this a) sucks for text, can no longer search, cut/paste but b) for most of my pdf this is ALREADY so, because they were ancient scans
1658114;1495123663;asciilifeform;funnily enough the problem of 'how to store scans without losing ANYTHING' was long ago solved : 'djvu' (ancient bell labs thing, i use it every day)
1658115;1495123666;asciilifeform;wavelet compressor.
1658116;1495123675;Framedragger;incidentally that ^ looks like an interesting piece on automata!
1658117;1495123696;asciilifeform;Framedragger: we had entire thread, re subj
1658118;1495123700;asciilifeform;and extensions thereof
1658119;1495123730;Framedragger;nice.
1658120;1495123761;asciilifeform;djvu has some annoying quirks ( lossy compressor, so sometimes, e.g., И turns into Н on entire page ) but otherwise mindblowingly great tech, a scan that'd be 400M in pdf, can be 4 , and actually uses the res of whatever display you have, incl. printer, to display ~= original
1658121;1495123794;mircea_popescu;text shouldn't have backwards N in it anyway.
1658122;1495123795;asciilifeform;but it is narrowly specific to scans. doesn't do vector-graphics a la postscript
1658123;1495123815;asciilifeform;lol
1658124;1495123818;mircea_popescu;:D
1658125;1495123824;Framedragger;lol GoL in excel (via trinque) http://www.tushar-mehta.com/publish_train/xl_vba_cases/0906%20conways%20game%20of%20life.shtml
1658126;1495123904;Framedragger;yeah djvu is great for what it does. never bothered to check how it actually worx, wavelet compressor, cool.
1658127;1495123914;asciilifeform;Framedragger: 'hashlife' was interesting because there are not so many 'martian' breakthroughs -- multiple-orders-of-magnitude speedups -- in algo world.
1658128;1495123920;asciilifeform;and it was one.
1658129;1495123936;Framedragger;aha yeah vaguely recall. "can actually skip states!!" thing
1658130;1495123940;asciilifeform;( prototyped, incidentally, on a bolix lispm )
1658131;1495123949;asciilifeform;Framedragger: time-space compressor.
1658132;1495124009;trinque;Framedragger: did I link this abomination or what?
1658133;1495124034;Framedragger;i believe so :) http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-24#892946
1658134;1495124034;a111;Logged on 2014-10-24 15:06 undata: http://www.tushar-mehta.com/publish_train/xl_vba_cases/0906%20conways%20game%20of%20life.shtml
1658135;1495124052;trinque;lol!
1658136;1495124054;phf;oddly enough djvu is hated in angloworld (something something patents), but most of the archives of soviet written material is in djvu
1658137;1495124091;mircea_popescu;gutenberg et all offer it.
1658138;1495124094;Framedragger;asciilifeform: checked, yeah pretty amazing, damn; obviously lots of memory overhead depending on noise/entropy, but point is that it was actually something new, as you say, not just any optimisation
1658139;1495124103;asciilifeform;sane folx piss kerosene on patents and then light it
1658140;1495124130;asciilifeform;( and fwiw, iirc the wavelet patents expired long ago )
1658141;1495124190;asciilifeform;Framedragger: aha, one of the most jaw-dropping optimizations in history of the field, afaik.
1658142;1495124221;asciilifeform;makes the difference b/w, e.g., sieve of eratosthenes factoring, and modern factoring algos, look small.
1658143;1495124235;mircea_popescu;would be interesting to see what happens if $noob starts feeding old lines from someone in wot.
1658144;1495124245;asciilifeform;possibly the only example of something that comes close, that i know of , is bernstein's gcd
1658145;1495124304;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this wasn't a 'shannonizer', but a thing that takes small state machine automaton and computes expansion of N steps  'impossibly' quickly
1658146;1495124329;mircea_popescu;no i know what hashlife is. was re above trinque surprise.
1658147;1495124340;*;asciilifeform has tried, on and off over the years, to generalize it to something more interesting, but so far not succeeded
1658148;1495124341;asciilifeform;lolk
1658149;1495124371;mircea_popescu;if you recal, was principal in gol start-up, we looked at ways to cheat.
1658150;1495124388;asciilifeform;aha
1658151;1495124395;asciilifeform;i dun recall, didja ever end up using it
1658152;1495124429;phf;i don't share the anti-postscript sentiment. i think it's a maxwell's equation of graphics programming. introduces idea of graphics state stack, with operations that happen inside state or in transition between state (e.g. "displace everything that i said so far by n pixels right") . pretty much all the graphics code (including for example opengl) is a variation on what postscript does. and most of the things postscript does simply doesn't make any sen
1658153;1495124429;phf;se in a physical printing world. i don't know any prior art to postscript, but i don't think publishing is it. most of the things postscript does simply doesn't make sense in a physical publishing
1658154;1495124456;asciilifeform;phf: henderson's method, was, ultimately, 'the maxwell's equations of graphics'
1658155;1495124464;asciilifeform;postscript is merely one half-baked incarnation.
1658156;1495124475;mircea_popescu;phf let me formalize the statement here.
1658157;1495124507;phf;asciilifeform: i'm not familiar
1658158;1495124520;mircea_popescu;1. publishing, after having operated on hot (molten metal) process for almost a century, with gradual improvements, moved to a purely photographic alternative starting in 1960s and complete by 1975.
1658159;1495124537;mircea_popescu;2. the alternative was run on digital machines, which ran software.
1658160;1495124598;mircea_popescu;3. a fellow by the name warnock, while working on a forgotten company cca 1975, came up with ps, in the sense a fellow called nakamoto came up with bitcoin. he was at the time working on the problem of drawing maps.
1658161;1495124626;mircea_popescu;4. the fellow named warnock was hired by xerox parc, which was also trying to get a publishing software package. he used HIS ps, to rewrite theirs.
1658162;1495124664;mircea_popescu;5. the selfsame fellow named warnock, with some others, started out in early 80s, made a company named "adobe", wrote the third copy of the ~same ps item.
1658163;1495124690;mircea_popescu;6. the item at 5 is what most people deem ps, but this is somewhat like thinking facebook invented php because it stole the sources and renamed them.
1658164;1495124690;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo https://archive.is/Nbc3i << possible qntra
1658165;1495124690;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1658166;1495124721;mircea_popescu;7. continuity of design and in principle exists throughout 2-5 ; implementations vary.
1658167;1495124729;phf;oh the functional geometry henderson
1658168;1495124736;asciilifeform;phf: aha
1658169;1495124791;phf;i think that might be a haskelism. a functional formalism 20 years after the original concept
1658170;1495124793;mircea_popescu;and yes, it can be said it all stands in the same relation to henderson & functional geometry as all the "gurus" and "experts" of the us school of management stand with skinner.
1658171;1495124820;asciilifeform;phf: 1982 !
1658172;1495124859;phf;well, correct. and postscript is early 70s
1658173;1495124871;mircea_popescu;mid 70s
1658174;1495124899;asciilifeform;as was the work henderson's paper stood on. imho this is a case of 'bell's telephone'
1658175;1495124905;asciilifeform;the tech was ~obvious.
1658176;1495124921;mircea_popescu;maybe. problem is everything's obvious.
1658177;1495124928;asciilifeform;not, evidently, everything.
1658178;1495124934;phf;which goes back to mircea_popescu's point of "nakamoto discovering bitcoin"
1658179;1495124939;mircea_popescu;you mean not, evidently, everywhere.
1658180;1495124940;asciilifeform;most folx who encounter, say, hashlife, even today go 'wtf, martian'
1658181;1495124998;mircea_popescu;the 2-3 transition may be argued as "oh, like i wouldn't have figured that twirl on my own anyway". nevertheless, the 2-5 continuity doth revolve around warnock fellow.
1658182;1495125043;mircea_popescu;now, in fairness, knuth had nfi of this, was deeply displeased by the poor quality of the image generated at the edge of this design graph, mostly due to cost saving and poor machinery, not substantially due to the item itself.
1658183;1495125048;mircea_popescu;but whatever.
1658184;1495125120;asciilifeform;knuth however was aware that raster photosetter ( a la modern process -- essentially laser printer ) had become a thing, vs old-fashioned ( essentially optoelectronic version of drum printer, with template wheels )
1658185;1495125121;phf;my point though is that i don't know an alternative to platonic postscript (which can be closely executed in adobe postscript, but also ghostscript, etc.) when it comes to doing graphics. in this case adobe postscript is a kind of c bitcoin
1658186;1495125152;mircea_popescu;depends of your idea of graphics. math-text graphics or juicy-tits graphics ?
1658187;1495125170;asciilifeform;vectorized graphics.
1658188;1495125182;mircea_popescu;tiff :D
1658189;1495125189;asciilifeform;lol
1658190;1495125199;phf;both, not necessarily vectorized!
1658191;1495125262;asciilifeform;briefly upstack : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658014 << i tracked down the heathen pit in question, for entomological purposes. the only possibly lulzy bit is that it turns out to be thestringpuller 's new home.
1658192;1495125262;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 15:21 moli_: it's a stupid slack to house people like bamb0u
1658193;1495125269;phf;there are hacks in postscript that let you dump a raw pixel buffer (as is the case in most graphics libraries, there's "graphics language" and "dump these special bits in internal format")
1658194;1495125319;asciilifeform;'thestringpuller May 18, 2017 11:32  @davef Dunno. Some speculated MP was broke and couldn’t warrant the losses to keep BitBet going' << didjaknow !!
1658195;1495125337;asciilifeform;apparently there are junkyards for people.
1658196;1495125345;trinque;whole countries of them actually.
1658197;1495125345;phf;but if you're actually trying to render tits with full knowledge of medium, you have to layout your pixels manually, with the full "what is dpi, what is point, etc." awareness
1658198;1495125355;trinque;mircea_popescu: looking into wtf happened with this JonDough guy's reg
1658199;1495125369;*;phf afk
1658200;1495125369;mircea_popescu;coo
1658201;1495125400;asciilifeform;from earlier, 'They reached out to “jrklein,” out of thousands of LBC users, and arranged a meet. All said and done, the IRS agents met with Klein five times. The IRS agents clarified—with or to Klein—that they wanted to exchange their cash for his Bitcoin. Although other possible transactions existed on LBC, cash for Bitcoin was not uncommon. He made charged a 10 percent commission rate, and although the internet often scoff
1658202;1495125400;asciilifeform;s at such a commission, IRS agents arrested him without mention of the money.'
1658203;1495125430;asciilifeform;'Klein faces five years in federal prison for operating an illegal money exchange—a money exchange that traded USD for property, according to the IRS’s BTC tax document.'
1658204;1495125443;mircea_popescu;wait, like selling a car ?
1658205;1495125512;asciilifeform;car, brick, whichever.
1658206;1495125525;asciilifeform;excluding the great inca from your transaction is the mega-crime.
1658207;1495125528;mircea_popescu;such a best korea you folks got going there.
1658208;1495125582;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1658209;1495125608;asciilifeform;incidentally, last i heard - actual 'best korea' has considerably less incatronic, in practice, commercial life than usaschwitz
1658210;1495125616;asciilifeform;folx freely go into/out of cn bazars etc
1658211;1495125619;mircea_popescu;dude look at that, some speculated ? who the fuck speculated, thestringpuller ?
1658212;1495125656;mircea_popescu;and where the fuck were they with the "speculating" back when buffett had no option but to pretend like i dun exist.
1658213;1495125658;asciilifeform;https://bitcoincore.slackarchive.io/welcome/page-99 << subj ( nfi if this renders in human browser )
1658214;1495125671;asciilifeform;^ specially designated prb heathen pit, apparently.
1658215;1495125683;asciilifeform;a kind of aol.
1658216;1495125702;mircea_popescu;can the useless twerp even voice himself here ?
1658217;1495125718;asciilifeform;iirc he ended up in pederasty
1658218;1495125722;asciilifeform;by the latrine.
1658219;1495125730;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1658220;1495125732;asciilifeform;through sheer force of idleness
1658221;1495125735;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he did ?
1658222;1495125741;asciilifeform;!!gettrust thestringpuller
1658223;1495125741;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 11 by 6 connections.
1658224;1495125744;asciilifeform;hm
1658225;1495125752;asciilifeform;then no??
1658226;1495125754;mircea_popescu;i dunno, 've not been following, but anyway. i can't recall him doing something over the years.
1658227;1495125776;asciilifeform;at one time he grudgingly tested some trb
1658228;1495125781;asciilifeform;but afaik that was it
1658229;1495125786;trinque;!!reputation thestringpuller
1658230;1495125787;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WhIRo/?raw=true
1658231;1495125838;trinque;lol, was that 10 from danielpbarron supposed to be positive?
1658232;1495125854;trinque;oh sorry, "danieldaniel"
1658233;1495125856;trinque;nvm.
1658234;1495125864;asciilifeform;lol
1658235;1495125887;mircea_popescu;3583332741. that's ... a long time ago.
1658236;1495125889;asciilifeform;'not ivan, but pyotr, and not won, but lost, and not the lottery, but at cards'
1658237;1495125903;mircea_popescu;danieldaniel was this 16yo iirc, hung around -otc
1658238;1495125968;mircea_popescu;trinque Sat Oct  7 06:37:43 CST 2084 << say, how do i get unixtime from deedbot time ?
1658239;1495125995;asciilifeform;'thestringpuller May 18, 2017 11:27  basically from a purely logical standpoint MP’s last bastion in generating bitcoin revenue is 1) through activities he can’t talk about on the clear net (he used to be a pimp and made money that way in the RO days), 2) through Eulora which is basically just A Tale in the Desert with Bitcoin' << didjaknow
1658240;1495126028;mircea_popescu;i can't talk about being a pimp on the clear net ? holy shit i wrote the fucking textbook on it ?
1658241;1495126036;asciilifeform;nfi!
1658242;1495126044;mircea_popescu;aaanyways.
1658243;1495126052;*;asciilifeform is falling over from sheer lul
1658244;1495126087;asciilifeform;apparently rats in the sewer have conversations and things
1658245;1495126097;mircea_popescu;but, talking of eulora, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-05-17.log.html#t03:39:24
1658246;1495126099;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-05-17 03:39:24: <mircea_popescu> eulora economy went up ~900% from 1st sept 2015 to 1st april 2017. 20 months.
1658247;1495126107;asciilifeform;about how human affairs work, and ought to work
1658248;1495126118;mircea_popescu;by now it's ~bitbet sized, in terms of "bitcoin mp holds for other people".
1658249;1495126189;trinque;!!ratings thestringpuller
1658250;1495126190;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a5KcK/?raw=true
1658251;1495126197;trinque;oh wait.
1658252;1495126345;mircea_popescu;somehow "some are speculating" failed to speculate about how you know, nsa now sells pcb+ic assemblies.
1658253;1495126355;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do the speculating somebodies pick their speculatin' substance ?
1658254;1495126373;trinque;http://wot.deedbot.org/6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169.html << human timestamps here
1658255;1495126385;mircea_popescu;but how are the others derived ?
1658256;1495126402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: standard unhappentronic algo -- 'if i strategically omit to mention it, it will unexist'
1658257;1495126444;asciilifeform;or the slightly more advanced kakobreklan version, 'oh that wasn't mircea_popescu's thing, it was asciilifeform , mircea_popescu only drinks his blood'
1658258;1495126448;mircea_popescu;fine, but i find it rather lulzy that apparently i have to worry about "Bitcoin revenue", as if i can't trade fiatola for bitcoin like anyone else ; and that somehow i should be worried while sitting on technology the usg couldn't replicate in spite of trying for a coupla years.
1658259;1495126449;trinque;mircea_popescu: those are lispy "univeral time", integer seconds since 1900 jan 1 00:00:00
1658260;1495126455;asciilifeform;various idiocies, i can't be arsed to catalogue'em all
1658261;1495126473;mircea_popescu;trinque aaah i c.
1658262;1495126508;mircea_popescu;sell phuctor to north korea, lulz & profit.
1658263;1495126526;asciilifeform;$ date -d @3583332741
1658264;1495126530;asciilifeform;Tue Jul 20 14:12:21 EDT 2083
1658265;1495126535;asciilifeform;^ lol
1658266;1495126538;mircea_popescu;he's using the lisp not the unix thing
1658267;1495126541;asciilifeform;aaaah
1658268;1495126550;trinque;1900 is the real 1970, way lispier
1658269;1495126559;mircea_popescu;some have speculated i forgot about that.
1658270;1495126561;asciilifeform;iirc crapple's original epoch was also 1900
1658271;1495126563;asciilifeform;for some reason
1658272;1495126569;Framedragger;trinque: while at it i'll just mention that mine still doesn't have teh old ratings, not that i need them any time soon, just adding to the list. god knows my own list is long :(
1658273;1495126572;asciilifeform;( pre-osx )
1658274;1495126583;trinque;Framedragger: I dunno what you mean by teh old ratings
1658275;1495126589;Framedragger;sec
1658276;1495126634;Framedragger;curl http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7QOaG/?raw=true | grep Framedragger
1658277;1495126648;trinque;ah no, I have it
1658278;1495126651;Framedragger;vs curl http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RSfiU/?raw=true | grep Framedragger  (this is from !!reputation and also web)
1658279;1495126658;trinque;one sec.
1658280;1495126664;Framedragger;no bother
1658281;1495126729;Framedragger;(^ ah nick in lowercase, so grep needs to be, too)
1658282;1495126738;mircea_popescu;wtf is bitcoin income even FOR, one wonders. not like bitcoin inflates. if you accumulate you just increase your share in total wealth.
1658283;1495126746;mircea_popescu;fucking jobsworths and their demented perspective.
1658284;1495126778;trinque;!!reputation Framedragger
1658285;1495126779;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1LjKS/?raw=true
1658286;1495126803;Framedragger;trinque: niice, lgtm, many thanks
1658287;1495126818;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey , these are the folx hell-bent on retrofitting inflation into bitcoin somehow. are firmly convinced that they will eventually do it ( alternative is to 'lie down and rot' , from their pov , world with perma-working bitcoin in it is not one they wish to even conceive of living in )
1658288;1495126855;Framedragger;(i assume web caches older version for now, but web is only preview-mode of the actual thing anyway)
1658289;1495126974;trinque;yeah web shall update shortly
1658290;1495127035;Framedragger;ty!
1658291;1495127111;mircea_popescu;some have speculated they might not have a choice.
1658292;1495127147;asciilifeform;hey, mouse+glass jar
1658293;1495127156;asciilifeform;they ain't about to simply give up.
1658294;1495127162;mircea_popescu;but anyway, a fine summary of modernity is "the time when middle class status went from owning $x in property to owning $x in property AND generating $y in income".
1658295;1495127175;mircea_popescu;some property comes with some y baked in, like apparently washington dc real estate
1658296;1495127183;mircea_popescu;most of it, does not. like say bar of iron, or bushel of wheat.
1658297;1495127185;asciilifeform;koku of rice
1658298;1495127186;asciilifeform;lol
1658299;1495127206;mircea_popescu;the happenstance that the former are ~all economically useless, and the latter ~all economically useful AND collectively the whole gamut of economy interests no one
1658300;1495127215;mircea_popescu;which is why the no one in question finds itself stuck trying to MAGA.
1658301;1495129337;asciilifeform;in other noose, massive ddos of phuctor
1658302;1495129465;mircea_popescu;o noes.
1658303;1495129481;asciilifeform;( continuous fetches of random key pages , from random and unique ip, with random refer hdr )
1658304;1495129492;mircea_popescu;dump the log ?
1658305;1495129503;asciilifeform;1s
1658306;1495129727;Framedragger;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1658307;1495129727;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1658308;1495129745;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/derp.txt << snippet
1658309;1495129754;asciilifeform;this thing comes & goes, it is clearly in experimental stage.
1658310;1495129804;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658152 < Maxwell's equations are wrong / incomplete (http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_15.html)! Unit circle bfs.
1658311;1495129804;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 16:20 phf: i don't share the anti-postscript sentiment. i think it's a maxwell's equation of graphics programming. introduces idea of graphics state stack, with operations that happen inside state or in transition between state (e.g. "displace everything that i said so far by n pixels right") . pretty much all the graphics code (including for example opengl) is a variation on what postscript does. and most of the things postscript does simply doesn't make any sen
1658312;1495129807;gabriel_laddel_p;*ffs
1658313;1495129883;gabriel_laddel_p;Also I take it nobody watched the video of what the hasllife author is up to these days I posted to Ben's blog?
1658314;1495129900;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: if you intended to link to unified theory... you made mistake, you linked to schoolbook that everyone has
1658315;1495129961;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: there is no standard presentation of the unified theory. All we have is an experiment showing the A-> field is required to fully describe EM.
1658316;1495129965;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: not even speaking of actual breakthroughs -- even discerning crackpots do not put their work in format of 'video' , but written word
1658317;1495129999;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: Bill Gosper is what then.
1658318;1495130006;asciilifeform;aging tesla, is what.
1658319;1495130033;asciilifeform;buncha these folx -- alan kay, ted nelson, et al
1658320;1495130061;asciilifeform;i bet if webcam existed when tesla was old an' feeding pigeons -- he would've rambled into a webcam.
1658321;1495130108;asciilifeform;i have not watched the film, gabriel_laddel_p . but its existence ~in that form~ does not bode well for the content. but if gabriel_laddel_p wants to write about what he saw -- i'll read..
1658322;1495130243;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: Absurdity. Carver Mead's G4V presentation comes across far better in his video than in his paper, and the video includes slides that don't exist elsewhere.
1658323;1495130276;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: if you believe this, plz consider , again, writing it down.
1658324;1495130303;asciilifeform;socrates, we're told, also 'worked best in video', or how did it go ; plato -- wrote down.
1658325;1495130413;asciilifeform;i've yet to meet a mega-breakthrough that only exists upon this earth as slides in 2-3 frames of some obscure lecture film. but who knows, always a first time.
1658326;1495130429;asciilifeform;write. it. down.
1658327;1495130434;asciilifeform;and post.
1658328;1495130443;asciilifeform;( why not blog yet, gabriel_laddel_p ? )
1658329;1495130464;trinque;because not place to shit privately yet.
1658330;1495130478;asciilifeform;i knew actual, certified bums with blog.
1658331;1495130481;asciilifeform;so not obstacle.
1658332;1495130490;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: my laptop's internal charger broke, and I'm sitting here waiting on a charging deck to show up.
1658333;1495130528;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: incidentally i have not forgotten about your shortage of comps, i did get ye olde x61 out of storage, and dusted off, will be posting it this weekend when going to town.
1658334;1495130536;asciilifeform;maybe this will help.
1658335;1495130545;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: It will. I've already sold it.
1658336;1495130545;trinque;no, fate will do something completely unexpected to it.
1658337;1495130548;asciilifeform;lol
1658338;1495130599;gabriel_laddel_p;Incidentally, hacked the "black diamond" CLIM-web hack a few nights ago. IE, tying graphics to IRC messages via BEIRC.
1658339;1495130608;gabriel_laddel_p;Which, whatever, ~10loc.
1658340;1495130623;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: what does this look like on receiving end ?
1658341;1495130635;asciilifeform;say you were to paste in a jpeg, and on my end i dun have your renderer.
1658342;1495130650;gabriel_laddel_p;But it presents a way to get off of "the web", and then swap the underlying networking implementation for gossipd, while retaining a usable UI throughout.
1658343;1495130650;asciilifeform;do i get 100kB of base64 liquishit a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658000 ?
1658344;1495130650;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 15:16 mircea_popescu: V1fMpXqyah5i67onzcUeMhJwL65VvmufwrFQlpTwMuetHbFddCL5tXKiW05YWdItLGO+V9ebr776decAwm+pqw6rIwhJIPLSz/Ygd0r/Em5TSbn/opcJ6fenjs9wP8eFholFs2u0/PavqarPwydSLecMnyNhP/BxdCNXVlW84KvCiLWf+W1LKfZ92+ylae2NMHobDt+wZjLMPPePhizzJ6FAkPjzGh8fDs6rW64vrGVVEYkq73URNq6QkD+nTgL5ar87eJ+bL3J850ff9X9PoJa0xWO+JIkuZxkh9H+8fZnhHv+ilDs3uha3mq8bdLj48zves3g2X20U
1658345;1495130684;asciilifeform;see the problem ?
1658346;1495130715;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they seem repeated. possibly browsers retrying ?
1658347;1495130721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/n4SRZ/?raw=true << new one
1658348;1495130724;asciilifeform;fuck no, these ain't browsers
1658349;1495130730;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: gotta have a web browser to browse the web, dontcha?
1658350;1495130732;asciilifeform;1000s of different keys, in span of minutes
1658351;1495130744;asciilifeform;and from 1,001 ips, and asking for keys sequentially
1658352;1495130752;asciilifeform;( enumerated from old /phuctored dump )
1658353;1495130767;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 104.192.170.198
1658354;1495130768;scriba;ssh banner of 104.192.170.198 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.2
1658355;1495130771;mircea_popescu;lel
1658356;1495130780;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 177.204.161.76
1658357;1495130792;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 96.64.149.101
1658358;1495130809;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 181.117.4.58
1658359;1495130826;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 86.178.228.238
1658360;1495130830;Framedragger;you may overestimating the number of non-NAT'ed boxes mircea_popescu
1658361;1495130832;mircea_popescu;1 in 5 huh
1658362;1495130840;mircea_popescu;Framedragger nah just curious
1658363;1495130858;mircea_popescu;not sure what nat'd do here.
1658364;1495130866;asciilifeform;my current hypothesis, re why sporadic, is that somebody made it a payload for a 'cheap' botnet, and nodes fire sporadically
1658365;1495130879;asciilifeform;luser closes his lappy -- his, stops
1658366;1495130881;Framedragger;i just mean that a box behind NAT won't show up in that !$ssh query
1658367;1495130902;asciilifeform;bargain-bin ddos, like like ye olde b-a udpbot
1658368;1495130911;Framedragger;asciilifeform: you may be right, seeing as that "betaBot" is a piece of some older malware, seemingly
1658369;1495130917;mircea_popescu;Framedragger something would have an ip. that which has the ip -- has the ip/
1658370;1495130925;Framedragger;mentioned e.g. here https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/02/27/attackers-using-cracked-builder-to-duplicate-and-spread-betabot/ ; but could be unrelated
1658371;1495130933;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i have nfi why a bot would accurately self-identify. but whatevers.
1658372;1495130971;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah i used NAT in much too general a sense of the word. i meant "rando PCs behind routers etc."
1658373;1495131050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno that 100 lines in 5 minute can count as a dos
1658374;1495131067;asciilifeform;it does in specifically this case.
1658375;1495131075;asciilifeform;perpetrator reads the logs.
1658376;1495131084;asciilifeform;knew which leg is sprained, and hits specifically that leg.
1658377;1495131093;asciilifeform;this ain't a wordpress.
1658378;1495131100;mircea_popescu;or people read some article somewhere, tried to check out phuctor.
1658379;1495131117;asciilifeform;mno.
1658380;1495131124;asciilifeform;holy FUCK read the paste plox.
1658381;1495131130;asciilifeform;it doesn't even pretend to 'look like people'
1658382;1495131134;mircea_popescu;note that the items in your paste... are indexed as such.
1658383;1495131149;mircea_popescu;ie, mentioned in the logs, google knows them.
1658384;1495131169;asciilifeform;which browser is it that makes 1,001 requests, with random refer header , when loading a page ?
1658385;1495131179;mircea_popescu;you did not show 1001 requests.
1658386;1495131185;mircea_popescu;i dun see the random referer in the snippet.
1658387;1495131187;mircea_popescu;anyway,
1658388;1495131190;mircea_popescu;!~google "/gpgkey/7E840C2FC34B3F9B8B95E6D12E18267E717ACBE1494C34DFA9055710347573A7"
1658389;1495131191;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Welcome | Phuctor - No Such lAbs: <http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E840C2FC34B3F9B8B95E6D12E18267E717ACBE1494C34DFA9055710347573A7>
1658390;1495131217;mircea_popescu;seems they actually get clicked from archive.is
1658391;1495131224;mircea_popescu;ie, someone saw an archived page, clicked link.
1658392;1495131231;asciilifeform;well, they got PARSED out of an archive.is'd page.
1658393;1495131244;mircea_popescu;that page being... a log archive.
1658394;1495131249;asciilifeform;loading the page, in ordinary browsers, does not result in req-to-every-link
1658395;1495131250;asciilifeform;try it
1658396;1495131255;mircea_popescu; http://archive.li/7t3I2 specifically
1658397;1495131266;mircea_popescu;yes, loading the page. but maybe someone clicked the links, is the idea.
1658398;1495131279;asciilifeform;clicked all of them, and in same order, and exactly same # of msec apart ?
1658399;1495131297;Framedragger;same number of ms? mk that's curious
1658400;1495131298;mircea_popescu;i don't see msec there. i see seconds
1658401;1495131306;mircea_popescu;and yes, i sometimes will click on a bunch of links. i imagine others too.
1658402;1495131343;mircea_popescu;there are also shitty mobile browser that "prefetch", but whatever.
1658403;1495131360;asciilifeform;^ first idea that'd actually match the observation
1658404;1495131366;asciilifeform;other than 'script'
1658405;1495131373;asciilifeform;it dun look like 'people clicking', nor even attempts to.
1658406;1495131400;mircea_popescu;your observation suffers in all its articulations : you see seconds and imagine microseconds, you see a hundred and imagine 1001, you see regular, and reasonable referrer and imagine random, it's just not good!
1658407;1495131410;asciilifeform;i've been seeing this nonsense for months.
1658408;1495131425;mircea_popescu;well certainly phuctor hasn't been under massive ddos for months!
1658409;1495131436;asciilifeform;and no, i don't have a ready collection of it, because i have ONE motherfucking pair of hands
1658410;1495131438;asciilifeform;not 1,001
1658411;1495131440;mircea_popescu;anyway, the web / backend decoupling will hafta occur, it's too fragile as it is
1658412;1495131464;asciilifeform;it'll have to be rewritten, aha, this isn't really workable.
1658413;1495131482;asciilifeform;the 10,000,000 html turdlets approach doesn't work tho.
1658414;1495131505;asciilifeform;( for approx same reason that it doesn't work for bitcoin )
1658415;1495131509;mircea_popescu;myeah
1658416;1495131524;trinque;ah so g_l refueled on smart-guy virtue signaling, off now to dry clothes on line next to peter thiel's agar pool?
1658417;1495131561;*;mircea_popescu rereads log, missed this line apparently because doing log checking in parallel with bothering ex romanian ex con ex prime minister.
1658418;1495131566;asciilifeform;lol
1658419;1495131576;mircea_popescu;curious if he publishes mah comment.
1658420;1495131638;mircea_popescu;what is g5v ?
1658421;1495131672;mircea_popescu;"The G4V transforms the standard DJ MIDI device into a dynamic and formidable software performance controller. Within its fully metal enclosure are 2 ..."
1658422;1495131675;mircea_popescu;srsly ?
1658423;1495131704;asciilifeform;wai where
1658424;1495131741;mircea_popescu;google.
1658425;1495131749;asciilifeform;yes but why
1658426;1495131753;mircea_popescu;nfi.
1658427;1495131771;mircea_popescu;i'm just trying to follow the conversation, clap along.
1658428;1495131788;asciilifeform;possibly was looking for g_l's crackpottery ? that was a 4, not a 5, and it can be found, e.g, here, https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.04866
1658429;1495131838;mircea_popescu;"Gravitational coupling of the propagation four-vectors of matter wave functions is formulated in flat space-time."
1658430;1495131840;mircea_popescu;aand it lost me.
1658431;1495131841;asciilifeform;( incidentally, no magic videos )
1658432;1495131977;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh, the "collective action electrons" guy.
1658433;1495131985;asciilifeform;also vlsi
1658434;1495132016;mircea_popescu;came up with a way to explain away laser interferometry not showing these "grav waves" by declaring photons kulaks / enemy of the solid state or such.
1658435;1495132018;asciilifeform;ftr i tried to give him the uncle al treatment, and actually digest his theory
1658436;1495132027;asciilifeform;it dun have enough meat on its bones, at least as presented in the b00k,
1658437;1495132030;asciilifeform;to be properly digested.
1658438;1495132032;mircea_popescu;i did not, because i did not like the reactive nature of it ^ above.
1658439;1495132039;asciilifeform;so asciilifeform classified him as ' a tesla ' and filed away.
1658440;1495132106;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you recall, largest grant by nsf, caltech and mit (of course) spent a decade starting with post-collapse (sept 2001) trying to see how gravity influences laser beams through measuring interference. never saw anything.
1658441;1495132107;asciilifeform;and it is very easy to dismiss a physics heretic for 'talking to journalists, a la pons&fleischman', e.g. http://archive.is/FeaSm
1658442;1495132122;mircea_popescu;so obviously the trauma produced some reactions. but to outright ban photons is a little much.
1658443;1495132172;mircea_popescu;i always suspected the ligo nonsense was why alf had such a low opinion of eg cern cyclotron.
1658444;1495132174;asciilifeform;dunno if it is accurate to describe the grantolade dispense as 'spent to .. see how gravity '
1658445;1495132185;asciilifeform;it spent so that buncha lamers can have wifehousechildren.
1658446;1495132188;mircea_popescu;well they built some massive laser fuckfloors.
1658447;1495132198;asciilifeform;it's an f35.
1658448;1495132199;asciilifeform;all of it.
1658449;1495132222;mircea_popescu;well no, some are the sukhoi, some are the f
1658450;1495132229;asciilifeform;where's the sukhoi ?
1658451;1495132235;mircea_popescu;under switzerland :D
1658452;1495132252;asciilifeform;iirc we had this thread..
1658453;1495132401;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1658454;1495132424;mircea_popescu;i just didn't realise you meanwhile reverted :D
1658455;1495132447;asciilifeform;lel
1658456;1495132555;asciilifeform;and the reason why asciilifeform has low opinion of ligo et al is that physics has been growing like winblowz api, like prb, like tumour, and not like growing child ( or 1600-1950 physics, for that matter )
1658457;1495132575;asciilifeform;can say 'it's mature field', whatnot, but then job of practitioner is to SHRINK the textbook
1658458;1495132587;asciilifeform;by finding more parsimonious model.
1658459;1495132595;asciilifeform;not to expand the book to fill available shelf space.
1658460;1495132598;asciilifeform;and grantolade space.
1658461;1495132625;asciilifeform;and even if he believes that it ~cannot~ be further shrunk, it remains his job to die trying
1658462;1495132635;asciilifeform;because otherwise he gotta find another like of work.
1658463;1495132740;asciilifeform;the ligo treatment -- even if taken at face value, rather than grantolade-eating cynical fraud -- is rather like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657309 philosophy.
1658464;1495132740;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 13:43 phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
1658465;1495132786;asciilifeform;the indian-coder, 'stack overflow' treatment of knowledge .
1658466;1495132852;mircea_popescu;the fact is that the textbook is incomplete. fails to explain gravity credibly.
1658467;1495132856;asciilifeform;sure.
1658468;1495132860;mircea_popescu;also incomplete re magnetism, etc.
1658469;1495132900;asciilifeform;but cataloguing, naming, imaginary ( and when unified, they will look like a quite laughable jorge borges zoo roster ) particules, is not a solution to any of it
1658470;1495132900;mircea_popescu;in this sense and very generally, large scale investigations of the nature of "let's see what happens to laser interference" are not substantially different from historical items such as foucault's pendulum, or the torgue balance of 1700
1658471;1495132922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: minus any fundamental result !
1658472;1495132925;asciilifeform;is the difference .
1658473;1495132932;mircea_popescu;the difference between ligo and cern is that the later actually does something ; the former...
1658474;1495132951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't know the result until AFTER. you gotta start building it BEFORE.
1658475;1495132952;asciilifeform;'does something' is not difficult standard. asciilifeform's 40w laser likewise 'does something'
1658476;1495132966;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, and in that something it's justified.
1658477;1495132977;mircea_popescu;you don't derided its existence, do you.
1658478;1495133081;asciilifeform;formerly asciilifeform barfed less from $ 4B paperweight laser than 4b welfare cheques or iraqs . but -- on no small part from educative efforts of mircea_popescu -- now barfs equally
1658479;1495133104;asciilifeform;the people are ~exactly same, on the receiving end of those cheques.
1658480;1495133113;asciilifeform;and the work has exactly same methodology, and same output.
1658481;1495133114;mircea_popescu;lel
1658482;1495133122;mircea_popescu;the latter part is hard to arghue with.
1658483;1495133166;asciilifeform;whereas ACTUALLY promising, and wholly noncrackpotterious direction of particle physics -- induced beta decay -- is funded to the princely sum of..
1658484;1495133169;asciilifeform;zero
1658485;1495133178;asciilifeform;and can be pursued for perhaps a few 100k $ worth of gear
1658486;1495133184;asciilifeform;( less, if access to surplus goldentoilets )
1658487;1495133295;asciilifeform;the mechanics were described, quite exactly, in 1950s . and it follows, theoretically, that you could power a city of, e.g., strontium-90 scraped off chernobyl.
1658488;1495133303;asciilifeform;*off
1658489;1495133374;asciilifeform;and exhaust pipe emits ~stable~ matter.
1658490;1495133514;mircea_popescu;maybe one day, alfie.
1658491;1495133582;asciilifeform;well it won't be at cern.
1658492;1495133588;asciilifeform;or ligo, or uni. of maryland.
1658493;1495133595;asciilifeform;because -- fundamentally - 'bad business'
1658494;1495133600;asciilifeform;not 'job-creating'
1658495;1495133613;asciilifeform;0 dissertations, in it.
1658496;1495133620;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1658497;1495133634;asciilifeform;because it was ~completely described in su in 1950s.
1658498;1495133665;mircea_popescu;eh, didn't stop them before.
1658499;1495133691;asciilifeform;more dangerously, it doesn't call for massive $bil instrumentation .
1658500;1495133699;asciilifeform;nor create 'moar studies needed' ad-infinitum.
1658501;1495133717;asciilifeform;the perfect academitron is the hot-fusion reactor -- eternal 'but if only we make it 10% bigger!' chumpatron
1658502;1495133750;asciilifeform;and thousands of asian phd students get dissertation from proposing a new thermal/field/whatever sensor for it, etc
1658503;1495133813;mircea_popescu;this whole theory is a little shaky.
1658504;1495133820;asciilifeform;there is no money, in modern usg reich, in SOLVING a problem
1658505;1495133835;asciilifeform;your solution will simply get confiscated and assigned to 'respectable people'
1658506;1495133879;asciilifeform;bitcoin drives the lizards up a wall because it was the first immovable object that resisted the 'irresistible force'
1658507;1495133909;mircea_popescu;i dunno about all that.
1658508;1495133953;asciilifeform;lol, postscript, pdf.
1658509;1495133960;asciilifeform;the process is not mega-mystery.
1658510;1495133968;asciilifeform;( of 'reassigned to respectable' that is )
1658511;1495133979;asciilifeform;probably most famous case -- transistor
1658512;1495133991;mircea_popescu;why not aspirin, while at it.
1658513;1495134006;asciilifeform;iirc that was part of a larger rape, of germany as a whole
1658514;1495134040;mircea_popescu;yes but also best model of this "assigned to respectable people" thing.
1658515;1495134073;asciilifeform;pretty good model, if not necessarily 'best'
1658516;1495134079;asciilifeform;and we very recently iirc had a marconi thread
1658517;1495134100;mircea_popescu;so take something random, say the touchscreen. who invented, who got assigned ?
1658518;1495134129;*;asciilifeform does not recall
1658519;1495134154;mircea_popescu;ok. what else, the microwave ? velcro ? what shall we take ? gsm comms ?
1658520;1495134166;mircea_popescu;fuel injectors, what.
1658521;1495134203;asciilifeform;marconi was interesting case -- i read his patents, and in a few the circuit could not work as drawn, and in fact could not have been drawn by a d00d who understood half of what he was allegedly doing ( vs cribbing )
1658522;1495134220;asciilifeform;was exactly indian-cut-and-paste artist.
1658523;1495134240;asciilifeform;...but with crown backing.
1658524;1495134247;mircea_popescu;marconi ? i thought he was poor.
1658525;1495134254;asciilifeform;lukejr poor.
1658526;1495134269;asciilifeform;or idk who is best comparison today.
1658527;1495134277;asciilifeform;was backed 'because italian, dammit'
1658528;1495134277;mircea_popescu;but he worked on telegraph prior neh ?
1658529;1495134348;asciilifeform;was one of many 'brute force' experimenters in 1890s.
1658530;1495134354;mircea_popescu;made rthat lulzy square antenna etc.
1658531;1495134448;asciilifeform;d00d did in fact carry out experiments. but proved also brilliant at taking credit for the work of others.
1658532;1495134533;mircea_popescu;not sure any crown was involved, be that as it may.
1658533;1495134550;asciilifeform;d00d was made senator ! and then again lifted up by mussolini.
1658534;1495134555;mircea_popescu;so /
1658535;1495134838;asciilifeform;iirc the butthurt was deep ( and described in the infamous u.s. supreme court trial on subj. ) marconi got the famous '7777' patent , and pr machine cemented his reputation as 'first practical radio!' (though it was largely based on earlier work, by, e.g., lodge, tesla, others)
1658536;1495134874;asciilifeform;then marconi joined in the newly-developed 'edison' tradition of patent trollage, by laying claim to EVERY subsequent improvement to radio, by others who came later..
1658537;1495134918;asciilifeform;brothers wright, incidentally, did ~same thing in ~their~ field, and more or less paralyzed it entirely for years
1658538;1495134972;asciilifeform;edison's megabux had the same 'contagious disease' influence as the success of gates/microshit in 1980s did on software industry
1658539;1495134988;asciilifeform;every 'idea man' wanted to 'become edison', 'rich off patents'
1658540;1495135016;asciilifeform;(edison, bell, westinghouse, coupla others)
1658541;1495135102;mircea_popescu;not entirely clear to me what you're saying here. so the idea is, that because random upstart / usurper of minor crown enobled anyone who could read/write and hadn't rean off a century ago, it therefore follows that a man who could power a whole city out of hot reactor waste today does not do so because mit graduates can't power a lightbulb with the battery in hand. something like that ?
1658542;1495135102;asciilifeform;was it mircea_popescu who wrote 'best thing you can do for physics is to find a respectable elderly physicist on the road, and shoot a hole in his head' ?
1658543;1495135116;mircea_popescu;i dun think so. link ?
1658544;1495135136;asciilifeform;can't seem to find link. so maybe it wasn't .
1658545;1495135173;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho it is not a simple as 'there's a man who could, but he won't , because pissants tangled in his shoelaces.'
1658546;1495135188;asciilifeform;idea was that this hypothetical man is the point of a spear, a spear that was broken.
1658547;1495135220;mircea_popescu;if the 100k you're talking about is factual, ie, what a moderately competent engineer makes a year, it seems altogether strange they're not doing it.
1658548;1495135239;mircea_popescu;there's many tons of waste in the us they don't klnow what to do with. and as recent qntra points out, it's starting to leak.
1658549;1495135246;mircea_popescu;waste is more enduring than rock.
1658550;1495135250;asciilifeform;well it's $100k + pyongyang ( work unmolested by usg )
1658551;1495135298;*;mircea_popescu is having the antipasta of all time. grana padano, anchovies, winter salami, olives... ahhh.
1658552;1495135319;asciilifeform;there's a million folx with 100k. but afaik 0 who a) give a shit b) work unmolested ( and this includes molestation that makes your table legs cost 100k each, as in entirety of 'civilized' world's 'legitimiate' laboratories )
1658553;1495135390;asciilifeform;try to build just about ANYTHING in 'legit org', and 'jobsworths' show up immediately, like crows to a corpse, and before long :
1658554;1495135390;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434
1658555;1495135390;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
1658556;1495135461;asciilifeform;so i'll readily admit that i am working in a poorly defined unit. 100k of tmsr partizan money -- might buy subj. but how many 100k usg funbux buy a phuctor, or FG ?
1658557;1495135475;asciilifeform;i have nfi how to convert between the 2.
1658558;1495135482;asciilifeform;or whether it is meaningful to try.
1658559;1495135513;asciilifeform;apparently entire ru 'infosec' budget bought, waht, a few 100 elbrus. if that.
1658560;1495135523;asciilifeform;( having not laid hands on ONE, i cannot say if any ! )
1658561;1495135554;asciilifeform;seealso http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1531862 .
1658562;1495135554;a111;Logged on 2016-08-30 14:55 asciilifeform: 'motivation from fear is a firecracker, from interest - a nuke' as the americans used to say
1658563;1495135620;mircea_popescu;i dunno, seems even at mit, physics lab should be able to produce the micrograms of I or w/e is contemplarted here.
1658564;1495135626;mircea_popescu;certainly ro could, and does.
1658565;1495135703;asciilifeform;ftr i would love to hear, from actual honest practitioner, why induced-beta is not pursued. ONE good reason.
1658566;1495135708;asciilifeform;but unfortunately afaik they're all dead.
1658567;1495135713;mircea_popescu;simple recipe for man interested -- go into grad school at relevant place, make measurements.
1658568;1495135731;mircea_popescu;i know of a coupla who tried. the problem was the measurements not coming out, rather than conspiraci.
1658569;1495135741;asciilifeform;the 1 problem i can immediately spot is 'if you can't make it with STOCK equipment, you need $maxint'
1658570;1495135767;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did these folx who tried, leave some written record ?
1658571;1495135776;asciilifeform;post it for the l0gz ?
1658572;1495135828;mircea_popescu;informal party talk. i've never followed it in much detail.
1658573;1495135834;asciilifeform;1 moar observation : you need a quite strong magnetic field. which became affordable in 1990s strictly.
1658574;1495135870;asciilifeform;( in that you can get it out of 'shelf' industrial equip, vs 'golden toilet' )
1658575;1495135891;mircea_popescu;but the thing remains, so you do induced beta decay. this has some matter costs, in the radioactive material, and some energy cost, in the confinement, excitatron, etc. in exchange for these, you get beta particles. now, what do you do with them ? warm some water, turn turbine ? -ev. put against photovoltaics ? -ev. illuminate raw metal joints ? -ev. what ?
1658576;1495135896;mircea_popescu;afaik that's the missing piece.
1658577;1495135905;asciilifeform;not missing. betavoltaic cell.
1658578;1495135907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is all early 2000s.
1658579;1495135911;asciilifeform;it's an electron, what.
1658580;1495135922;mircea_popescu;tunnel and field effects, it just dun come out.
1658581;1495135940;mircea_popescu;beta radiation is not just an electron about in the sense a tsunami is not just water.
1658582;1495135945;asciilifeform;how to get current out of beta is ~solved problem, used industrially (small radiogenerators in implants)
1658583;1495135985;asciilifeform;but yes, was engineering problem, solved to about same satisfaction as solar cell (iirc peak conversion efficiency was similar)
1658584;1495135988;mircea_popescu;yes but it's not -ev for this application.
1658585;1495135999;asciilifeform;if you can set up the induction conditions for less than the cost - then + sign.
1658586;1495136009;asciilifeform;it's a restatement of whole problem, yes.
1658587;1495136009;mircea_popescu;well, apparently nobody could so far.
1658588;1495136022;asciilifeform;i've found ~no record of anybody even trying, since 1980s.
1658589;1495136035;asciilifeform;but possibly more problem on my end than other.
1658590;1495136046;asciilifeform;anyone who knows any -- plox to post.
1658591;1495136120;mircea_popescu;well, do you what, go to parties where solid state grads show up ? or how would you ?
1658592;1495136143;asciilifeform;all i got is the open lit.
1658593;1495136148;mircea_popescu;anyway, esp because of the incredible expense that is magnetic bottle, it's not even CLOSE, ev wise.
1658594;1495136158;asciilifeform;you might not need bottle.
1658595;1495136159;mircea_popescu;though most don't even want to use that as a confinement method
1658596;1495136165;asciilifeform;( why would you ? no fusion, no heat )
1658597;1495136170;mircea_popescu;(beta sources are terrible, i will remind the public, because metal emits gamma on contact.)
1658598;1495136177;asciilifeform;xray, but sure
1658599;1495136181;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1658600;1495136191;asciilifeform;'soft', bremsstrahlung, but aha
1658601;1495136198;asciilifeform;like old crt.
1658602;1495136199;mircea_popescu;still. yeah.
1658603;1495136303;trinque;!!key jondough
1658604;1495136304;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/7DAF46653B2A66D9D90AD79B4E0B0276E6275848.asc
1658605;1495136309;asciilifeform;i suspect that the finesse, if it ever turns up, would be to somehow 'chain react' the induced beta emission.
1658606;1495136317;trinque;^ where deedbot asked for one fp, our excitable friend put two
1658607;1495136319;trinque;lol
1658608;1495136360;asciilifeform;( possibly by growing the material in a crystal, say, such that the emitted particles trigger yet others etc a la ye olde neutron-powered fission reaction )
1658609;1495136519;asciilifeform;incidentally, let's try gedankenexperiment ,
1658610;1495136537;asciilifeform;1 mEv ~= 1.6e-13 j.
1658611;1495136556;mircea_popescu;anyway, as far as the conspiracies go : politically speaking, if the ev were even close, even vaguely the "art" grads in eg germany would be pushing for lifting the cost on hot reactors matter disposal so as to balance it outright.
1658612;1495136558;mircea_popescu;but... it's not.
1658613;1495136591;asciilifeform;k-40, most abundant (in nature, 1 of the very few) B emitters, decays with 1.33mEv emission, so ~2.13e-13 j..
1658614;1495136607;asciilifeform;but suppose you could shorten its half-life.
1658615;1495136628;asciilifeform;( normally -- 1.23e9 yr )
1658616;1495136632;asciilifeform;1.25 rather
1658617;1495136659;mircea_popescu;do the math :
1658618;1495136687;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2.13 * 10**-13 * 1.25*10**9
1658619;1495136689;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2.13 * 10**-13 * 1.25*10**9 = 2.6625E-4
1658620;1495136705;mircea_popescu;you get a quarter milijoul per mol. as an absolute maximum.
1658621;1495136715;mircea_popescu;dja know what the mol of gasoline produces through oxidation ?
1658622;1495136720;asciilifeform;this dun seem right
1658623;1495136724;mircea_popescu;your numbers.
1658624;1495136733;asciilifeform;yes, but abused.
1658625;1495136740;mircea_popescu;abused how ?!
1658626;1495136754;mircea_popescu;if the whole mol halflived NOW that'd be the total energetic output.
1658627;1495136763;asciilifeform;well for starters, 1.25e9 is the HALF life
1658628;1495136767;mircea_popescu;(well, twice, really. irl i should have divided by half)
1658629;1495136770;asciilifeform;not 'all-life'
1658630;1495136773;mircea_popescu;yes...
1658631;1495136784;mircea_popescu;this dun help your case.
1658632;1495136845;mircea_popescu;add a 2% conversion efficiency on top, and it suddenly looks terribru. diesel engines work in the high 40%.
1658633;1495136849;asciilifeform;i dun yet have a case, incidentally, picked a naturally-found isotope at ~random, to see what'd happen if someone were to 'burn' a kg of it this way
1658634;1495136870;asciilifeform;it's the 'softest'.
1658635;1495136907;mircea_popescu;yeah. jus' saying, ev is the problem with this theoretically promising idea.
1658636;1495136912;asciilifeform;anyway i'll take mircea_popescu's pessimistic figure for K40.
1658637;1495136912;mircea_popescu;just like with radio in marconi's time.
1658638;1495136924;asciilifeform;( even if it discards ~half )
1658639;1495136992;asciilifeform;probably oughta mention that -- iirc -- induced decay can be moar ( or less ) energetic than the expected one
1658640;1495136999;asciilifeform;but this is where my recollection ends.
1658641;1495137018;asciilifeform;it's an unknown-unknown. that afaik nobody's diggin.
1658642;1495137022;mircea_popescu;and also, surprisingly energetic. imagine what fun it'll be once you discover that a kilogram is not like the microgram in that it summons fucking chtulhu.
1658643;1495137030;asciilifeform;aha, exactly that
1658644;1495137042;asciilifeform;q in gedankenexperiment was 'what if kitchen nuke after all exists'
1658645;1495137072;mircea_popescu;gee, i wonder why nobody wants to dedicate life to building incidental nuke.
1658646;1495137084;mircea_popescu;it went so fucking well for curie and that idiot with the beryl sphere.
1658647;1495137099;mircea_popescu;i think they named a crater on moon after them.
1658648;1495137111;asciilifeform;matter of taste, but there are folx who'd maybe rather die on beryllium sphere than from vodka
1658649;1495137118;asciilifeform;( or even on harley )
1658650;1495137131;mircea_popescu;yes. they don't tend to have 100k spare change in couch cushions.
1658651;1495137137;asciilifeform;tru!!
1658652;1495137151;asciilifeform;asciilifeform for instance has to die on a rusty bucket
1658653;1495137158;asciilifeform;can't afford even half a beryllium sphere!111
1658654;1495137612;asciilifeform;oh btw mircea_popescu , a mol of k40 :
1658655;1495137642;*;mircea_popescu was wondering how long until you ask for avogadro's number.
1658656;1495137644;asciilifeform;!~calc 2.13 * 10**-13 * ( 6.022 * 10**23 )
1658657;1495137646;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 2.13 * 10**-13 * ( 6.022 * 10**23 ) = 1.2826859999999998E11
1658658;1495137649;asciilifeform;bang
1658659;1495137678;mircea_popescu;ya ya.
1658660;1495137746;mircea_popescu;now calculate the magnetic field that turns a million years into a second.
1658661;1495137789;asciilifeform;first, gotta finish above,
1658662;1495137810;asciilifeform;!~calc 2.13 * 10**-13 * ( 6.022 * 10**23 ) / ( 4.184*10**6 )
1658663;1495137811;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 2.13 * 10**-13 * ( 6.022 * 10**23 ) / ( 4.184*10**6 ) = 30656.931166347993
1658664;1495137814;asciilifeform;kg TNT.
1658665;1495137824;asciilifeform;as to mircea_popescu's 2nd q, i have nfi !
1658666;1495137833;asciilifeform;not like i'm sitting on this item !1
1658667;1495137910;asciilifeform;( exercise for student : how many kg of KCl from corner shop, contains ^ qty of k40 )
1658668;1495138185;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/fakes-news-on-trumprussia-hallucination-continues-as-trump-bombs-convoy-of-actual-russian-ally-syria/ << Qntra - Fakes News On Trump/Russia Hallucination Continues As Trump Bombs Convoy Of Actual Russian Ally Syria
1658669;1495139145;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658191 << It's been a while since he's lit up my inbox. Went over the years from promising to sell cookies he wouldn't bake to writing a couple good qntra's under cazalla regime. Then sort just degraded to repeatedly asking questions over plaintext about gardening for plants I don't grow. "tomatoes" but I suspect he was using it as a code word for a plant incompatible with quality sobriety. His late con
1658670;1495139145;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 16:34 asciilifeform: briefly upstack : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658014 << i tracked down the heathen pit in question, for entomological purposes. the only possibly lulzy bit is that it turns out to be thestringpuller 's new home.
1658671;1495139146;BingoBoingo;verstations felt very trap like with "sting op" sort of vibe. Impossible to tell if through malice or powerlessness over certain dry plant matter.
1658672;1495139158;jurov;wtf http://mpex.co/history_of_bitcoin_stock_exchanges.html
1658673;1495139188;asciilifeform;lol! it's the cardano people !
1658674;1495139206;asciilifeform;i bet this is the 'seekrit startup' that made kakobrekla rich
1658675;1495139219;jurov;BingoBoingo: it expired. prolly too low fee :D
1658676;1495139222;asciilifeform;megabux from anon swiss 'donor', and he churns out this nonsense
1658677;1495139295;BingoBoingo;jurov: seems to have went through eventually or something. Resolved A+++!!!11!!!
1658678;1495139342;asciilifeform;'Feel free to call us any time, we have a staff dedicated to answering your questions.   +1-803-555-0109'
1658679;1495139343;jurov;oh that. actually, the other dude kicked me :)
1658680;1495139345;asciilifeform;hey give'em a call
1658681;1495139393;BingoBoingo;jurov: How is vacation/sabbatical going anyways?
1658682;1495139423;jurov;fine fine, having fun on crete atm.
1658683;1495139466;BingoBoingo;Awesome. I picked up some conCrete today.
1658684;1495139624;jurov;dropped it yet?
1658685;1495139778;BingoBoingo;Not yet, waiting for anchoring hardware to arrive. Attaching a tin shed to the ground.
1658686;1495140058;Framedragger;asciilifeform: can't be kako, site is too positive about mpex :D
1658687;1495140130;Framedragger;this just looks like spam/scamotron. with ads!
1658688;1495140460;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/careerist-us-attorney-prosecutes-private-money-for-property-exchange/ << Qntra - Careerist US Attorney Prosecutes Private Money For Property Exchange
1658689;1495141063;shinohai;Take care to avoid minotaurs jurov and have fun! ^.^
1658690;1495141904;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658673 << who's the cardano people ?!
1658691;1495141904;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 20:26 asciilifeform: lol! it's the cardano people !
1658692;1495141970;mircea_popescu;ah, look at that, highschool virgin club collecting discarded, used condoms, making themselves bower to impress the highschool sluts. sounds like MAGA.
1658693;1495142091;mircea_popescu;before alf cuts more notches in the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658505 stick : i literally did not bother paying for the domain, for no other reason than because i literally give this much of a shit about domains, and the whole rest of the ustardian crap built atop it.
1658694;1495142091;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 18:57 asciilifeform: your solution will simply get confiscated and assigned to 'respectable people'
1658695;1495142102;mircea_popescu;put that in your "internet domains are worth money" pipe and smoke it.
1658696;1495143210;*;shinohai simply makes mpex.co point wherever he damn well pleases with his specially-crafted hosts file.
1658697;1495143297;mircea_popescu;word.
1658698;1495143716;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gn7tX/?raw=true
1658699;1495143736;deedbot;accepted: 1
1658700;1495143865;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658690 >>>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610071
1658701;1495143865;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 21:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658673 << who's the cardano people ?!
1658702;1495143865;a111;Logged on 2017-01-31 02:25 asciilifeform: http://cardano.io
1658703;1495143875;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610073 <<
1658704;1495143875;a111;Logged on 2017-01-31 02:26 asciilifeform: 'A decentralized network system fully-utilizing Blockchain in every aspect, aims at solving current difficulties faced by key cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum, preventing from frauds and money-laundering, ID management and being a mediator with taxing/administrative system in various countries.
1658705;1495143887;mircea_popescu;lol k.
1658706;1495143915;mircea_popescu;i had no idea bitcoin faced difficulties.
1658707;1495143927;asciilifeform;and yes i recall that mircea_popescu threw out the domain. dun matter much, even if you buy 1,001 domains ( enriching usg each time, each year ) there is always 1,001st.
1658708;1495143936;asciilifeform;1,002nd, et
1658709;1495143939;asciilifeform;c
1658710;1495143944;mircea_popescu;next they're going to invent a sheath fully utilizing steel that aims at solving the difficulties faced by swords embedded in idiots guts everywhere.
1658711;1495144037;asciilifeform;it's shannonized.
1658712;1495144041;asciilifeform;and could've been funnier.
1658713;1495144053;asciilifeform;but hey, lowest-bidder shannonizer
1658714;1495144113;Framedragger;someone needs to do a SaaS
1658715;1495144116;Framedragger;scam as a service
1658716;1495144127;asciilifeform;betcha it's kako's co.
1658717;1495144127;Framedragger;would include that 3d transform on cardano.io as a free perk
1658718;1495144160;asciilifeform;d00d's been doing the reptilia thing
1658719;1495144180;asciilifeform;( photos of throne, whores hanging off arms, etc )
1658720;1495144192;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1658721;1495144212;asciilifeform;e.g. https://smpake.com/tmp/1494143304871.jpg
1658722;1495144246;Framedragger;doesn't imply scamatron
1658723;1495144252;asciilifeform;secrecy does.
1658724;1495144289;BingoBoingo;In other Desperations: https://archive.is/F2SIO "If the chain splits, then when / if / every time the BIP148 chain gets longer*, it will replace the legacy chain. Transactions that had confirmed on the legacy chain will become unconfirmed (unless they are also confirmed on the BIP148 chain). Bitcoins mined by legacy miners will cease to exist, as they lose their blocks. (This cannot occur in the inverse direction: no matter how long the
1658725;1495144289;BingoBoingo;legacy chain gets, BIP148 nodes will never let it reorg out the BIP148 chain.)"
1658726;1495144291;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently went to oleg savchuk school, archive.is dun see it.
1658727;1495144293;Framedragger;mno, secrecy implies kindergarten perhaps, tho. anyway, impossible to argue due to the former
1658728;1495144295;asciilifeform;secrecy + suddenwealth == sold-motherland to ~every intel service on planet
1658729;1495144310;asciilifeform;^ there oughta be a comma in there
1658730;1495144318;asciilifeform;motherland, to
1658731;1495144318;Framedragger;i thought the suddenwealth was from the earlyadoptronium
1658732;1495144321;asciilifeform;nope
1658733;1495144339;asciilifeform;though he had some
1658734;1495144357;mircea_popescu;anyway, what's in the pic ? nice tits ?
1658735;1495144375;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude dun quite grok hwo this shit works, does he.
1658736;1495144379;asciilifeform;gurls, who in his words, truuluvv him and 'never even saw money'
1658737;1495144397;mircea_popescu;a, so what's the problem.
1658738;1495144421;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But "user activated fork!!!" "How does world work?"
1658739;1495144422;asciilifeform;0 problem. but naturally invites as candidate for mpexcardano.io
1658740;1495144438;mircea_popescu;there's ~3.5 bn gurlz out there you're aware.
1658741;1495144507;asciilifeform;and 1,000,001 folx who could be author of 'mpex'.co , sure.
1658742;1495144524;asciilifeform;it ain't a hard-smokinggun.
1658743;1495144525;Framedragger;i'll remember to be careful about any pics with gurls, lest asciilifeform deduce me to be scamzor by steel logic
1658744;1495144573;asciilifeform;Framedragger: historic record is that 100% of the folx who bragged about 'fear my seekrit mega-profitable co !' turned out to be shits.
1658745;1495144589;asciilifeform;and often thieves of identifiable loot.
1658746;1495144637;mircea_popescu;i kinda miss the early ones. remember the punk, what's his name, who thought he was a "crypto innovator" ? or that tv schmuck. or or or
1658747;1495144657;asciilifeform;they all merged into one, in asciilifeform's head. but that comes from reading about'em years later.
1658748;1495144682;BingoBoingo;"Mathematical Society" http://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/2017/05/11/get-out-the-way/
1658749;1495144705;asciilifeform;BIP148 nodes will never let it reorg out the BIP148 chain << this is newz. how does node 'never let' ? i'd like to know
1658750;1495144741;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BIP148 nodes will never let it reorg out the BIP148 chain << this is newz. how does node 'never let' ? i'd like to know << YOu don't know how ghettos work!
1658751;1495144748;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gold trololol btw
1658752;1495144750;asciilifeform;gotta be a gag
1658753;1495144793;BingoBoingo;"Mr fancypants doctor think you are going to fix up the neighborhood? How about broken bottles in your yard and PLS MOAR DRUGZ, kthnx"
1658754;1495144810;asciilifeform;( re ams link )
1658755;1495144813;Framedragger;i poelaw'd on that link. "  Sadly, there is a direct correlation between high IQ and “earning” a  PhD in a STEM discipline, which is all too reflective of how white  cishet men have designed disciplinary concepts to reinforce their own  power structures." (some comment. troll? dunno)
1658756;1495144845;asciilifeform;i dun even have enuff bits in my lulzregister to hold it
1658757;1495144854;asciilifeform;it overfloweth
1658758;1495144866;mircea_popescu;it's kinda funny to me that in the end the fem-gay revolution came to the same conclusion it started by denying : "we are inferiorz to straight men"
1658759;1495144882;mircea_popescu;only took them what, 3-4 decades ? not so bad.
1658760;1495144910;asciilifeform;but guess what 'inferior is the new superior' because some roman d00dz didn't feed nearly enough uppity shits to lions etc
1658761;1495144926;mircea_popescu;eh, brunette is the new blonde has been a meme for a long time now.
1658762;1495145804;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1658763;1495145810;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1879.99, vol: 11856.94249724 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1811.084, vol: 7766.89513 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1940.4, vol: 11695.76908415 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1690.117545, vol: 10855.61990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1893.872, vol: 6451.76267153 | Volume-weighted last average: 1842.96808843
1658764;1495145895;mircea_popescu;WHY IS IT CRASHING!
1658765;1495147553;BingoBoingo;Bees?
1658766;1495147639;*;shinohai goes with bees
1658767;1495147683;ben_vulpes;bees!
1658768;1495147899;ben_vulpes;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1658769;1495147899;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1658770;1495147997;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658434 < Do you have a source for this? And banning photons? What? Where is this discussed? In any case, there are two threads here 1) collective electrodynamics, which wants to be a reformulation of EM using A->, as it takes into account, as you say, the "collective action" of electrons. & 2) G4V, which applies t
1658771;1495147997;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 18:26 mircea_popescu: came up with a way to explain away laser interferometry not showing these "grav waves" by declaring photons kulaks / enemy of the solid state or such.
1658772;1495147997;gabriel_laddel_p;he same mathematical machinery (vector potential) to gravity and has a slightly different prediction than GR regarding the gravity wave (supposedly) detected at LIGO.
1658773;1495148059;gabriel_laddel_p;We know that A-> exists, and is better than heaviside's formulation of maxwell's equations because it can describe the AB experiment, and because it does not have a preferred frame of reference / is lorentz invariant.
1658774;1495148104;gabriel_laddel_p;my understanding is that the original quaternion formulation from maxwell is also lorentz invariant, but have not checked.
1658775;1495148228;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658436 < Agreed. Which is why I pasted the video (which yes, I will strip of its contents and put in blog), because it occurred after CE, and has 1 new, useful calculation.
1658776;1495148228;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 18:27 asciilifeform: it dun have enough meat on its bones, at least as presented in the b00k,
1658777;1495148766;gabriel_laddel_p;Irrespective of its other features, the pedagogical elimination of Bohr's definition of the classical correspondence limit is useful (from CE).
1658778;1495148962;gabriel_laddel_p;Interestingly, Ilan Kroo reached for the same formulation (A->) & same example (spherically symmetrical mass distribution) as CAM, but ~20 years earlier, and prior to gravity probe B, which confirmed (for some value of that word) the geodetic effect (frame dragging).
1658779;1495148982;gabriel_laddel_p;from: http://aero.stanford.edu/gtrpaper/gtr.html
1658780;1495149053;gabriel_laddel_p;*spherically symmetrical mass distribution with a much smaller mass inside of it that A-> induces a velocity in when moved...
1658781;1495149738;shinohai;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1658782;1495149739;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1658783;1495150426;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p i'm only vaguely familar with the matter, but my understanding was that photons are un-existed.
1658784;1495150430;mircea_popescu;a la phlogiston.
1658785;1495151461;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: ask a grad student (preferably one who works on antenna theory) what the A-> field _is_ and why D->/B->/E-> etc are _not_ sometime. The sheer weight of handwaving will adequately communicate why this is interesting.
1658786;1495151666;mircea_popescu;i can't even be arsed to take the anglo formalism seriously. A-> field, really ? pshaw.
1658787;1495152366;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: show experiment that suggests the 'incomplete maxwell' in the sense contemplated
1658788;1495152668;mod6;speaking of wot ratings. i gotta go through and update mine one of these days.
1658789;1495155034;*;asciilifeform bought most of the contents of a ratshack for ~2hundy us
1658790;1495155238;asciilifeform;they also had a 2tonne safe, for some reason , in the back, and willing to let it go for cheap. but asciilifeform has neither flatbed nor crane nor concrete plinth.
1658791;1495155254;asciilifeform;nor anything worth keeping in a 2tonne safe.
1658792;1495156497;mircea_popescu;how much was it ?
1658793;1495156507;asciilifeform;hundy
1658794;1495156515;mircea_popescu;jesus. worth even for scrap\
1658795;1495156519;asciilifeform;junkyard keeper will be very happy aha
1658796;1495156525;mircea_popescu;dude im starting to think im missing out
1658797;1495156536;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu wants to become scrap iron fella?
1658798;1495156538;mircea_popescu;item is 15k new or some shit.
1658799;1495156542;asciilifeform;prolly moar
1658800;1495156545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform AMERICAN scrap iron. sure.
1658801;1495156555;asciilifeform;not so many suppliers, e.g. mosler, is gone
1658802;1495156557;mircea_popescu;make some vhs tapes. for old times'.
1658803;1495156558;asciilifeform;ditto diebold iirc
1658804;1495156567;asciilifeform;funnily enough somebody bought those
1658805;1495156623;asciilifeform;there's a bank not far from where asciilifeform lives, that died in 1990s. but left ALL of the furniture, incl. the ~stately~ mega-vault
1658806;1495156631;asciilifeform;visible through street window. wood panelling, all.
1658807;1495156634;asciilifeform;from 'golden age'
1658808;1495156655;asciilifeform;massive scrap piles, yes, in usa, quite comparable to ye olde su
1658809;1495156724;mircea_popescu;quite. slightly more impudent aparatchicks, though.
1658810;1495156747;asciilifeform;similar
1658811;1495156766;asciilifeform;plus there's method of working 'with' them, just as there are tools for cutting scrap apart.
1658812;1495156790;mircea_popescu;somehow the soviet and soviet likes didn't annoy me nearly as much.
1658813;1495156846;asciilifeform;speaking of which, asciilifeform encountered for 1st time term 'bay aryan' and lolle
1658814;1495156847;asciilifeform;d
1658815;1495156867;mircea_popescu;what bay, chesapeake ?
1658816;1495156870;asciilifeform;other one
1658817;1495156893;asciilifeform;'bay area' is where the most egregiously insufferable twits are to be found -- sv, 'lesswrong', etc. types
1658818;1495156899;asciilifeform;san francisco bay.
1658819;1495156908;mircea_popescu;a
1658820;1495157023;asciilifeform;phunphakt : new (physical branches, that is) banks are not being built with vaults
1658821;1495157025;asciilifeform;in usa
1658822;1495157068;asciilifeform;possibly for the reasons described in old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816372
1658823;1495157068;a111;Logged on 2014-08-30 16:11 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything.
1658824;1495157083;asciilifeform;( they offer ZERO assurance of non-disappearance of contents . and so -- very few takers. )
1658825;1495157090;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AE42589F3130E0FF575F90C9BFF0CE69418FCB9E2A78959A42B68415B1B5FBA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1474...8679 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.192.125.65 (ssh-rsa key from 212.192.125.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (212-192-125-65.IP.SUR.net.ru. RU TOM)
1658826;1495157090;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AE42589F3130E0FF575F90C9BFF0CE69418FCB9E2A78959A42B68415B1B5FBA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1426...7919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.192.125.65 (ssh-rsa key from 212.192.125.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (212-192-125-65.IP.SUR.net.ru. RU TOM)
1658827;1495157179;mircea_popescu;i recall that nonsense.
1658828;1495157212;asciilifeform;'we will now offer this costly service that does absolutely nothing but homeopathic shell of former self. then proceed to be very surprised when nobody buys.'
1658829;1495157239;mircea_popescu;it's entirely unclear to me what exactly "bank" expects to make money out of.
1658830;1495157246;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, the government gives. but otherwise ?
1658831;1495157257;asciilifeform;out of stealing , naturally, whatever ain't bolted down
1658832;1495157265;mircea_popescu;i've not been using the much for years now, and can't say i noticed the absence.
1658833;1495157266;asciilifeform;e.g. idiot's box contents
1658834;1495157350;asciilifeform;i imagine they'll be in the 'business' of offering to 'safely safekeep' chumps' bitcoin, soon.
1658835;1495157393;asciilifeform;not because there's much to be harvested in this way,
1658836;1495157419;asciilifeform;but so that they could have a shot at 'refrigerating' its exchange rate a la usd/gold
1658837;1495157432;ben_vulpes;haw i've been renting the train station's vault for months now
1658838;1495157441;asciilifeform;whole thing?!
1658839;1495157451;ben_vulpes;lock was removed long ago, but gorgeous door remains
1658840;1495157455;asciilifeform;whatchagot in there, ben_vulpes , column of tanks ?
1658841;1495157468;asciilifeform;and what good with no lock ??
1658842;1495157469;ben_vulpes;inside door, new steel door and frame
1658843;1495157476;ben_vulpes;with ofc lock, good grief
1658844;1495157485;ben_vulpes;but modern, pickable.
1658845;1495157494;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: remains of previousl $bezzlecorp assetes
1658846;1495157499;ben_vulpes;assets*
1658847;1495157525;ben_vulpes;also you know, brick and excellent atmospheric thing
1658848;1495157530;ben_vulpes;brick and steel*
1658849;1495157535;asciilifeform;if it's tables an' chairs, almost certainly -ev, neh
1658850;1495157543;asciilifeform;to pay to store.
1658851;1495157552;ben_vulpes;far cheaper than storage unit anywhere accessible
1658852;1495157577;ben_vulpes;thrown in for song with hole where the few remaining used desks stand
1658853;1495157629;ben_vulpes;"i'll take the vault for $pittance, but only if you discount $butthole by $similar_pittance"
1658854;1495157634;mircea_popescu;how much did you end up in the hole with that thing ?
1658855;1495157658;ben_vulpes;made out like bandits!
1658856;1495157670;ben_vulpes;chain reaction would not, though.
1658857;1495157675;mircea_popescu;a really ? then what the fuck do you hang on to used furniture for. no party rental outfits where you live ?
1658858;1495157678;mircea_popescu;they usually buy used.
1658859;1495157724;ben_vulpes;sloth, similar pittance for storage unit across town.
1658860;1495157734;asciilifeform;burn it, ben_vulpes , it'll be +ev
1658861;1495157738;asciilifeform;vs storing old desks
1658862;1495157739;ben_vulpes;vault not particularly full of anything but monitors and computers.
1658863;1495157742;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the usg is desperately trying to achieve said refrigeration through trying to shoot people who trade it.
1658864;1495157747;mircea_popescu;dun really work.
1658865;1495157748;ben_vulpes;plus the girls love the brick.
1658866;1495157792;mircea_popescu;lol for new year i dun recall which, took girls in chains to floor -3, poured champagne / fucked them among the scary concrete. was a blast.
1658867;1495157807;ben_vulpes;aha, right?
1658868;1495157812;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1658869;1495157822;asciilifeform;what's a -3 .. garage?
1658870;1495157823;mircea_popescu;vaguely thinking of renting meatpacking plant next.
1658871;1495157825;ben_vulpes;thing also does not have smoke detectors
1658872;1495157825;mircea_popescu;all them hooks.
1658873;1495157838;ben_vulpes;great place for cigars and cognac after the sun sets
1658874;1495157839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: make sure there's piano wire on them hooks
1658875;1495157840;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform technical floor, where various machinery livese etc.
1658876;1495157862;ben_vulpes;amusingly, was previously haunt of "bigfoot researcher"
1658877;1495157864;ben_vulpes;shit thee not
1658878;1495157865;mircea_popescu;it's quite... quite the thing for the sorta chick that loves big boots.
1658879;1495157889;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he thought bigfoot resides in portland ?!
1658880;1495157926;ben_vulpes;cannot speak for internals of others
1658881;1495157944;mircea_popescu;i thought you were management.
1658882;1495157961;ben_vulpes;bad habit, gave it up
1658883;1495157987;ben_vulpes;"neither a borrower nor a lender be"
1658884;1495158004;ben_vulpes;someday, perhaps.
1658885;1495158090;asciilifeform;waiwat, ben_vulpes sold his software co??
1658886;1495158124;mircea_popescu;like six months ago. he said didn't he ?
1658887;1495158132;asciilifeform;hm, i must've somehow missed.
1658888;1495158151;asciilifeform;now other ben_vulpesiana , e.g. the log cabin, make moar sense.
1658889;1495158152;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what value would a consulting operation even have per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629388
1658890;1495158152;a111;Logged on 2017-03-20 04:02 ben_vulpes: more specifically, "assuming one wants a car shop for purely emotional and recreational reasons, how to determine what to pay for it?" "calculate hardware liquidation price, discount four years of cashflow declining by 10-30% a year to today, and offer a dime over that"
1658891;1495158193;ben_vulpes;i did obliquely mention this, yes.
1658892;1495158199;asciilifeform;congrats, then, ben_vulpes , on being a free man
1658893;1495158215;*;asciilifeform takes off hat
1658894;1495158215;mircea_popescu;now quick to firesales to buy more shit to weigh down your pockets!
1658895;1495158244;asciilifeform;lol
1658896;1495158260;asciilifeform;it's a 1ce a decade or so thing, for asciilifeform
1658897;1495158271;*;asciilifeform not pro junk dealer
1658898;1495158272;ben_vulpes;eh, i'll settle for jewing my little brother down over the nsa backdoors in his gaming rigs
1658899;1495158304;mircea_popescu;i bet deep blue state watches his halo sick skillz.
1658900;1495158324;ben_vulpes;well he's liquidating them for a reason, neh?
1658901;1495158345;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: far from free, but the new party is a good one.
1658902;1495158374;asciilifeform;if it dun involve commutes or offices or fluorescent lamps -- it's a goodone.
1658903;1495158381;ben_vulpes;and how.
1658904;1495158428;ben_vulpes;i still trek into town, but more for hysterical raisins and camaraderie.
1658905;1495158498;ben_vulpes;log cabin not yet built; train station operators pay for heat and a/c.
1658906;1495158653;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> they also had a 2tonne safe, for some reason , in the back, and willing to let it go for cheap. but asciilifeform has neither flatbed nor crane nor concrete plinth. << Such things can be rented, ~300 - 700 for combination for whole day
1658907;1495158674;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: house that can actually hold the safe, costs moar, however.
1658908;1495158696;asciilifeform;i haven't got 1 surface that wouldn't auger in under that thing, and that includes the mud liquishit that is the 'yard'
1658909;1495158757;ben_vulpes;replace yard with concrete!
1658910;1495158800;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X5We4/?raw=true
1658911;1495158800;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1658912;1495158817;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not far off from where i live, a d00d did this, city fined him and made him break it apart
1658913;1495158828;asciilifeform;( for not getting the right permits, or somesuch fuckwittery )
1658914;1495158881;ben_vulpes;dang
1658915;1495158900;ben_vulpes;makes the pacific northwest sound like a not entirely miserable shithole, the place where you live
1658916;1495158922;asciilifeform;well i dun own properties, here or there, so it doesn't make much diff to me
1658917;1495158970;ben_vulpes;me neither, but i still happily tear up lawns, emplace shitboard sheds
1658918;1495158987;asciilifeform;i already have one of these.
1658919;1495158995;asciilifeform;approx size of a rail car
1658920;1495159015;ben_vulpes;have or emplaced
1658921;1495159018;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i haven't got 1 surface that wouldn't auger in under that thing, and that includes the mud liquishit that is the 'yard' << Maybe you want have vault so it augers and sinks? Self burying treasure chest!
1658922;1495159024;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: came with it
1658923;1495159028;asciilifeform;rather, house did
1658924;1495159060;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'll do without burying treasures (which treasures..) in random rental back yard, kthx
1658925;1495159092;*;asciilifeform not mega-expert on treasure-buryin', but generally folx do it in places where they can later get to it unnoticed
1658926;1495159093;BingoBoingo;Or self burying trash dumpster, take your pick
1658927;1495159133;ben_vulpes;ah well
1658928;1495159190;ben_vulpes;in other totally-not-medium-rebrandeds: https://backchannel.com/how-one-little-cable-company-exposed-telecoms-achilles-heel-480e49b648bf
1658929;1495159228;BingoBoingo;Set in yard, build outhouse over, when ground threatens to overtake door close and leave gift for archaeologists.
1658930;1495159284;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/cryptonote-family-of-altcorns-suffer-infinite-printing-bug/ << Qntra - "Cryptonote" Family Of Altcorns Suffer Infinite Printing Bug
1658931;1495159342;BingoBoingo;Gotta put future generations in their place and discourage grave robbing somehow
1658932;1495159399;ben_vulpes;oh gee fluffypony actual bandit now, eh?
1658933;1495159409;asciilifeform;'The so-called "key image" as used in CryptoNote coins utilising elliptic curve ed25519 can be modified in a special way, allowing double-spends. ' << lel
1658934;1495159418;asciilifeform;Buy Moar Shitcoinz.
1658935;1495159432;ben_vulpes;> secretly patched by the monero team
1658936;1495159442;asciilifeform;how , incidentally, does this work
1658937;1495159447;asciilifeform;they release closed bins ?!
1658938;1495159450;asciilifeform;like microshit ?
1658939;1495159458;asciilifeform;or... nobody reads src ? or wat
1658940;1495159478;shinohai;Appears no one reads src ... twas commited on shithub
1658941;1495159491;asciilifeform;'2017-02-21: The patch is surreptitiously snuck into the Monero codebase in pull request #1744. It is kept secret to prevent it being used to attack other CryptoNote coins.'
1658942;1495159524;asciilifeform;what else, gotta ask, was 'surreptitiously snuck into the Monero codebase' .
1658943;1495159533;asciilifeform;or for that matter the init. release.
1658944;1495159739;asciilifeform;btw seems like they also twiddled the ecc params in that patch
1658945;1495159743;asciilifeform;also not mentioned at all, anywhere
1658946;1495159752;asciilifeform;https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/1744/files ftr.
1658947;1495159837;asciilifeform;!~later tell ave1 your mod-exp is just an... exp. and what was mcarry for ???
1658948;1495159837;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1658949;1495160091;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2017/05/cost-of-running-shitware-continues-bull-run-to-the-moon/#comment-97654
1658950;1495162625;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1658951;1495162906;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658940 << open source dood, aren't you familiar with the "just the facts" horde yet ?
1658952;1495162906;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 02:04 shinohai: Appears no one reads src ... twas commited on shithub
1658953;1495163021;shinohai;Well despite the fact it took me what felt like eons, i did read ref client src when I started fiddling with trb.
1658954;1495163053;mircea_popescu;hey. they dun got time!
1658955;1495163088;shinohai;Might cut into the reddit posting time
1658956;1495163119;shinohai;"Mom sends down tendies @ 7pm sharp, can't ready during THAT hour."
1658957;1495163204;mircea_popescu;what's a tendies ?
1658958;1495163246;shinohai;A frozen chicken tender lovingly heated by Mom in the microwave before opening the second bottle of vodka.
1658959;1495163269;mircea_popescu;oh
1658960;1495165535;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-467054.txt
1658961;1495167461;mircea_popescu;!!up buenosaires
1658962;1495167461;deedbot;buenosaires voiced for 30 minutes.
1658963;1495167463;mircea_popescu;!!up andav
1658964;1495167464;deedbot;andav voiced for 30 minutes.
1658965;1495167513;mircea_popescu;o wait, argentina. obviously retarded.
1658966;1495167755;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6FCA2E6AEDD3C38B3E8CBFED4BFDAE661540AA34F168B4E792B2EB3768C29FF0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1427...3583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.243.15.2 (ssh-rsa key from 80.243.15.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
1658967;1495167755;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6FCA2E6AEDD3C38B3E8CBFED4BFDAE661540AA34F168B4E792B2EB3768C29FF0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1605...8367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.243.15.2 (ssh-rsa key from 80.243.15.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
1658968;1495167879;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/865110497028395008
1658969;1495167949;ben_vulpes;holding this vulnerability secret is doing such wonders
1658970;1495167967;mircea_popescu;professionalism, you don't understand.
1658971;1495167979;ben_vulpes;> (such attack did not exist, but it seemed a fair explanation).
1658972;1495168545;shinohai;AR returns
1658973;1495168556;shinohai;annnnnnnnnnnnnd leaves again
1658974;1495170116;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at rancho technically-not-a-whore, https://68.media.tumblr.com/4ef74854f9e19065bed8ac47fb56fa59/tumblr_nkjguwd34C1uni2vgo1_1280.jpg
1658975;1495170682;mod6;nb
1658976;1495170687;mod6;and FREE!
1658977;1495170772;mircea_popescu;unoccupied
1658978;1495192107;Framedragger;just HN things - on google home (the "send all audio to google" appliance): "I have one, it's convenient and lets me control my home in what feels like a natural way. Personally, I don't see the downside of having it. Note; I mean I don't acknowledge a downside  from my perspective. I'm fully aware that it's always listening and  sending data home when it hears a keyword."
1658979;1495192114;Framedragger;"According to Google, it will  only send voice data back when it hears the keyword. Now if it  explicitly goes against its own stated privacy policy, that's a breach  of trust I would not be happy with. That said, if they explicitly stated  they send all audio back, I'd actually be fine with that too."
1658980;1495192257;shinohai;I see this making the n-gate roundup for the week
1658981;1495193052;Framedragger;srsly :D ("i trust the back alley guy to only give me the tip; it wouldn't be nice if he wasn't honest about it. but if he said he'd fuck me in the ass from the get go, i guess that's ok")
1658982;1495193375;shinohai;At least you know to stock up on lube beforehand, ammirite?
1658983;1495196062;Framedragger;totally.
1658984;1495196992;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1spub/?raw=true
1658985;1495196992;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1658986;1495197171;ave1;asciilifeform: Well, i wanted to save the carry from the square and include it when needed but I made a mistake: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658947
1658987;1495197171;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 02:10 asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 your mod-exp is just an... exp. and what was mcarry for ???
1658988;1495197202;ave1;Line after FZ_Mul should have been: Carry := C or Carry or W_Mux(0, MCarry, 1 and FZ_Get_Head(E));
1658989;1495197324;ave1;Plus I assumed modulo was to be on the FZ size, arbitrary module would involve a IDIV at the end (or mask if module will be some power of 2)
1658990;1495197338;ave1;module -> modulo
1658991;1495197397;ave1;I've been working on SQR, but although I can lower the number of steps, the operations per step go up, so far only 10% overall speed-up
1658992;1495197617;mircea_popescu;!!up moli_
1658993;1495197618;deedbot;moli_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1658994;1495197686;shinohai;Buenas dias, Sr. Popescu! o/
1658995;1495197748;asciilifeform;ave1: div-at-the-end mod-exp won't work for, e.g., rsa
1658996;1495197761;asciilifeform;it will overflow
1658997;1495197893;mircea_popescu;hola shinohai !
1658998;1495197967;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658981 << contrary to shutin consensus, most chicks at the bar are slipping themselves roofies in desperation. if he didn't make it as a singer, at least maybe google thinks him a star ?
1658999;1495197967;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 11:24 Framedragger: srsly :D ("i trust the back alley guy to only give me the tip; it wouldn't be nice if he wasn't honest about it. but if he said he'd fuck me in the ass from the get go, i guess that's ok")
1659000;1495198016;mircea_popescu;problem of modernity is nobody wants to listen. that nobody has anything to say worth listening to is obviously sufficient cause for that ; but the nobodies in question would much rather approach the problem from the former horn than the latter. good god, having something to say worth listening to sounds like it'd take effort.
1659001;1495198035;mircea_popescu;way the fuck easier just pretending like the hairspray tubes are REALLY mics. google makes this easy now.
1659002;1495198057;*;mircea_popescu wouldn't be in the slightest surprised if all this "big data" utilization is 0.0000 ppm.
1659003;1495198370;asciilifeform;'i am honest man and have nothing to hide!!' (tm)(r)(1990s key escrow derps)
1659004;1495198384;mircea_popescu;yet he wears clothes.
1659005;1495198397;asciilifeform;only because inca issued
1659006;1495198405;ave1;asciillifeform: ah, I understand I will do some more thinking on this, having a div after the mul and sqr would be less ideal, but an arbitrary modulo sqr and mul would be interesting
1659007;1495198410;mircea_popescu;so the whole hiding song and dance has nothing to do with anything.
1659008;1495198454;asciilifeform;ave1: not merely 'less than ideal', but totally useless
1659009;1495198474;asciilifeform;won't even work on toy rsa that way
1659010;1495198545;asciilifeform;( remember, we have ~fixed~ size integers, unlike other bignumtrons , they ~won't~ stretch to the absurd length you would need if you used div-after )
1659011;1495198615;ave1;Yes, I understand, it would add n bits times m ops where n is 4096 at the minimum (already the pow takes a lot of time with the MUL and SQR in there)
1659012;1495199294;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657602 << "i've been thinking, so i've bought" the system works!
1659013;1495199294;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 22:08 asciilifeform: 'This year, I’ve been thinking about prime numbers, and my hosting provider has run another sale on domain names. So, I’ve bought isthisprime.com. You can probably guess what I’ve made it do.'
1659014;1495199336;mircea_popescu;you think it, you buy it!
1659015;1495199373;asciilifeform;ave1: i also suspect that it would be simpler ~and~ faster to predict the overflow by finding eldest-bit of operands
1659016;1495199419;asciilifeform;rather than having the mux run twice per step
1659017;1495199451;mircea_popescu;incidentally : "define *' so that modx(a * b) = modx(a) *' modx(b)" should be a legitimate abstract algebra approach.
1659018;1495199473;asciilifeform;other thing: ~modular~ exp can't oveflow !
1659019;1495199497;asciilifeform;how would it? result is necessarily < the modulo
1659020;1495199510;asciilifeform;which in turn must sit down in the width given
1659021;1495199525;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i imagine he means that it overflow between the exp and the modular steps.
1659022;1495199529;asciilifeform;only regular exponentiation can overflow
1659023;1495199592;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, but that is because he implemented it without thinking, sorta like doing mult by repeated addition
1659024;1495199599;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1659025;1495199620;mircea_popescu;also incidentally : what is the relation between arbitrary modulo, factorization, and reducing mults to adds ?
1659026;1495199651;asciilifeform;expand re that last one
1659027;1495199733;mircea_popescu;(12 * 5) mod 6 = 0, yes ?
1659028;1495199748;asciilifeform;aha
1659029;1495199754;asciilifeform;what of it
1659030;1495199757;mircea_popescu;i could predict this without looking at the 5.
1659031;1495199769;mircea_popescu;what ~else~ can i predict, and looking at what exactly inside the two factors ?
1659032;1495199791;asciilifeform;gcd
1659033;1495199800;asciilifeform;which is what you did here
1659034;1495199879;asciilifeform;and not especially much else ( as far as asciilifeform knows. or he'd be breaking moar rsa )
1659035;1495199886;mircea_popescu;4 * 5 mod 6 = 4. (6-4)*5 mod 6 = 4. 7*5 = 35 mod 6 = 5. 1*5 mod 6 = ...
1659036;1495199977;*;asciilifeform pictures tmsr number theory school. it's an earthen pit, with an old kindergarten textb00k...
1659037;1495199989;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu has one for his pets
1659038;1495200032;mircea_popescu;lol
1659039;1495200098;mircea_popescu;deride, deride, but half the world's magic works on this!
1659040;1495200110;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you might find pollard-rho algo to be interesting. possibly it is what you were thinking of, earlier.
1659041;1495200146;mircea_popescu;i wasn't thinking of anything specific, past the indeed kindergarten intuition that there's more to the triplet than we figured out.
1659042;1495200163;mircea_popescu;or w/e, maybe i'm behind the times.
1659043;1495200211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the pit is mandatory. the only diff b/w mircea_popescu's pitpets and dour autodidacts is that the pets occasionally get to leave the pit
1659044;1495200224;mircea_popescu;but they don't want to.
1659045;1495200310;asciilifeform;i recall first encounter with rsa.. frustration, 'the factors are IN there, damn it'
1659046;1495200317;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1659047;1495200332;asciilifeform;aha
1659048;1495200337;mircea_popescu;look at the euler curve all you want, it dun satisfactorily resolve it.
1659049;1495200351;mircea_popescu;(n/logn)
1659050;1495200467;asciilifeform;'P' will, i suspect, get some unexpected use as number theory sandbox for n00bz
1659051;1495200479;mircea_popescu;quite expected.
1659052;1495200520;asciilifeform;incidentally the other-than-ffz part, is done
1659053;1495200573;mircea_popescu;anyway, re other point : i dun believe there is such a thing as an autodidact. everyone that knows anything learned that thing, themselves. no one can learn outside of an environment, and there is no deeper relevancy to convention of the time than that -- convention of the time. dude who learns in dark room is going to be weird one way, girly that learns in room with other girlies and teacher is going to be weird the other wa
1659054;1495200573;mircea_popescu;y. one tends to go around naked and slather peanut butter on himself, the other tends to behave as if the panties were glued on, there's really no substantial difference.
1659055;1495200594;asciilifeform;when i'm satisfied with the numerics, incl. primality test, i'ma genesis it..
1659056;1495200600;mircea_popescu;coo.
1659057;1495200633;phf;i'm getting a weirdest behavior on mac. a dumped lisp image with executable payload: when call it from shell "directly", i.e. ./foo works fine, but when you call it "global" i.e. it's in path and you say foo it responds with "read_mach_o_header: Bad file descriptor"
1659058;1495200646;mircea_popescu;too macho.
1659059;1495200654;asciilifeform;lol
1659060;1495200726;*;phf throws stacks of notes, walks away from computer
1659061;1495200738;*;mircea_popescu never ran anything on a mac.
1659062;1495200758;asciilifeform;i'ma guess that phf had ~another~ foo in his path
1659063;1495200781;mircea_popescu;weird error for that
1659064;1495200784;phf;asciilifeform: that would be the first guess, but `which` disagrees
1659065;1495200799;asciilifeform;phf: can you strace ?
1659066;1495200809;phf;in fact!!! $(which foo) works
1659067;1495200824;mircea_popescu;lol
1659068;1495200887;mircea_popescu;do you need diff permission sets to run global vs directly ?
1659069;1495200955;phf;no, theoretically there shouldn't be any kind of difference at all
1659070;1495200988;mircea_popescu;is the drive dying just-so ?
1659071;1495201005;asciilifeform;cosmicrays!!!111
1659072;1495201040;phf;nope, recompiled the binary from different file, new name, etc. same result. it's something about how cmucl packs an executable
1659073;1495201049;mircea_popescu;my most frustrating experience in this vein was back in dos dies, one of those maxtor 40mb, dick-tall drives. which i thought properly immortal, at the time.
1659074;1495201067;mircea_popescu;had a sorta-bad sector, kept fucking with me until it finally died hours later.\
1659075;1495201079;asciilifeform;i got one of these in a box, that still worked last i saw
1659076;1495201103;mircea_popescu;remember those things ? more steel on them than on today's toyota.
1659077;1495201109;asciilifeform;aha!
1659078;1495201127;asciilifeform;now , picture a cinderblock-sized version
1659079;1495201129;phf;it's when certain kinds of harddrive clicks permanently trigger a sense of dread in you
1659080;1495201134;asciilifeform;that's what's in my lispm
1659081;1495201147;mircea_popescu;phf costa rica has a bird, does the EXACT FUCNING NOISE
1659082;1495201154;phf;ahaha
1659083;1495201163;*;phf verdict: "not moving"
1659084;1495201164;mircea_popescu;there's also an insect that sounds EXACTLY like a dying fan
1659085;1495201169;asciilifeform;colibri, in mating season
1659086;1495201174;asciilifeform;clicks beak
1659087;1495201189;mircea_popescu;there's also a bird that cackles, literally. so we'd be fucking or talking or w/e, and the bird is a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
1659088;1495201294;phf;you sure it's not one of them wayward sisters?
1659089;1495201301;mircea_popescu;dude! the ro guy, ex-con ex-pm ? actually published my comment. color me impressed.
1659090;1495201303;mircea_popescu;phf the who ?
1659091;1495201309;shinohai;Perhaps the macho can be balanced with a dose of `rico suave`
1659092;1495201323;mircea_popescu;rrrrrricco suaveeee
1659093;1495201339;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which pm
1659094;1495201345;mircea_popescu;adrian nastase.
1659095;1495201352;asciilifeform;sounds familiar
1659096;1495201365;asciilifeform;was he responsible for the 'ducks and the trucks' ?
1659097;1495201376;mircea_popescu;was pm for a few years. anyway, he wrote some derpage about "the state", and i wrote a scathing comment.
1659098;1495201388;mircea_popescu;nah, that was ion iliescu, president. they teaqmed up for a while though.\
1659099;1495201390;phf;you know, the weird sisters, hand in hand, posters of the sea and land
1659100;1495201419;asciilifeform;waiwat
1659101;1495201424;mircea_popescu;i have no idea about this whole thing! wut is it phf ?
1659102;1495201442;mircea_popescu;https://adriannastase.ro/2017/05/13/statul-roman/comment-page-1/#comment-164967 << item in question, for the passionated.
1659103;1495201536;phf;the three witches from macbeth! i always imagine them cackling. so you're walking around the street, hear cackling, which is a kind of call of inevitability, you shake it off like "begone, chimera, must be some weird beard, nothing else" but you ~know~
1659104;1495201548;phf;*bird
1659105;1495201558;mircea_popescu;oh!
1659106;1495201594;mircea_popescu;it's not an ominous cackle at all. more like bird is literally amused at our bs and losing its shit.
1659107;1495201810;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at srs bzns farms, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f9d3b1ddc38ba5b8df26e294315281e9/tumblr_njtl6y4eTG1u66luzo1_500.gif
1659108;1495201855;mircea_popescu;it is perhaps the definitive difference between genders, that man would love nothing more than for woman to do something useful while he fucks her.
1659109;1495201896;asciilifeform;probably same d00d has a vcr in his auto
1659110;1495201910;mircea_popescu;watches wifey clean while stuck in traffic ?
1659111;1495201921;asciilifeform;and a comp in the shitter
1659112;1495201945;mircea_popescu;and aquarelle in the shower ?
1659113;1495201957;asciilifeform;sky's the limit
1659114;1495202025;mircea_popescu;meanwhile from the garden hose dept: https://68.media.tumblr.com/bafd84df5f5053c1908ecdda09bc925b/tumblr_n7wf6rQerO1tc0kc4o7_500.gif
1659115;1495202048;asciilifeform;lol swordswallower
1659116;1495202156;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why was nastase imprisoned ?
1659117;1495202166;asciilifeform;stepped on clitler's foot ?
1659118;1495202190;mircea_popescu;this question allows multiple answers. but basically, suppose trump actually was traian basescu. then clinton WOULD be in jail.
1659119;1495202248;mircea_popescu;what for ? well, for being a contemptible low life. plenty of shit to convict her of, if you actually were to apply you know, "the iron hand of teh law" that black dudes with a nickle bag keep running into.
1659120;1495202278;mircea_popescu;in this specific case, for taking a bribe in the form of some electoral campaign materials some other dudes gave some other dudes in exchange for what some other dudes did.
1659121;1495202305;asciilifeform;yeah nobody at or above city dog catcher political level, in usa, would survive this procedure
1659122;1495202311;asciilifeform;not most 'corporate' types, either
1659123;1495202329;mircea_popescu;but anyway -- was a major victory for the us dept of nuland, because thsi was the first time local aristocracy actrually got the black treatment. guy took it verypersonal, tried to shoot self, had a hole in jaw for a while.
1659124;1495202349;mircea_popescu;which is why i even bothered pointing it out to him, "you fucking idiot, you're STILL defending "the state" wtf is wrong with you."
1659125;1495202359;asciilifeform;now i'm curious, with what weapon
1659126;1495202363;mircea_popescu;gun.
1659127;1495202367;asciilifeform;somewhat unusual result tho
1659128;1495202373;asciilifeform;was, what, pneumatic pistol
1659129;1495202380;asciilifeform;why any jaw left
1659130;1495202386;mircea_popescu;eh, he's a pasty. wtf does he know about guns or shooting them.
1659131;1495202416;mircea_popescu;there's all sorts of losers who imagine these objects are a sort of holy amulet, and the only reason they dun do anything is because "they don't want to", but if "one day" they "decided" to "use them" then WHAM!
1659132;1495202422;mircea_popescu;except irl that's not how anything works.
1659133;1495202438;asciilifeform;this is a rather low bar, however. the marksmanship to correctly eat your pistol.
1659134;1495202457;mircea_popescu;do you know how many women "try to commit suicide" ?
1659135;1495202459;asciilifeform;oughta be taught in school -- as jp taught noble boys to properly seppuku , with wooden training knife
1659136;1495202469;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: them's different - for show
1659137;1495202493;mircea_popescu;not so different. guy's nickname, "bombonel". approximately, "little candyboy"
1659138;1495202542;asciilifeform;how'd that come about
1659139;1495202554;mircea_popescu;!#s academia catavencu
1659140;1495202555;a111;1 result for "academia catavencu", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=academia%20catavencu
1659141;1495202555;asciilifeform;he cornered confectionary business, like poroshenko ?
1659142;1495202582;mircea_popescu;well, there was this ro version of le canard enchaine ; it was really good. for half a decade or so, absolutely mandatory reading. some shit in there i laughed at for days.
1659143;1495202604;mircea_popescu;they kept calling him that. possibly on some grounds, but i never fucked him myself so...
1659144;1495202640;mircea_popescu;but the intension is strictly that gay bottom.
1659145;1495202650;asciilifeform;i always found it interesting, that this fine orc custom never caught on in usa
1659146;1495202658;mircea_popescu;which ?
1659147;1495202668;asciilifeform;insulting nicknames for political idiots
1659148;1495202684;mircea_popescu;the us entirely consists of political idiots.
1659149;1495202712;mircea_popescu;it has no culture, no history ; it has no business class, no anything. what exactly would they say ? compared to whom.
1659150;1495202736;asciilifeform;they could still say, e.g., 'clitler'.
1659151;1495202758;mircea_popescu;wasn't something re bush jr ?
1659152;1495202766;asciilifeform;shrub!
1659153;1495202767;asciilifeform;yes.
1659154;1495202776;asciilifeform;dunno if it ever really caught on tho
1659155;1495202820;mircea_popescu;no culture. nothing can "catch on" in any meaningful sense. romania is a nation, the us is a sort of india.
1659156;1495202853;asciilifeform;tru.
1659157;1495202881;mircea_popescu;soviet jokes also "didn't catch on", which became a joke in itself -- teh georgians dun understand all these muscovy joeks!
1659158;1495202926;mircea_popescu;otherwise, inside given cultural space, shit catches on. but no dominant one in us like there was in su (yes, the aspie 14% keeps trying to pretend, but ain't nearly the same thing).
1659159;1495205126;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in papua-new guinea, http://postcourier.com.pg/scuffle-over-pepsi-leaves-10-dead-many-injured/
1659160;1495205300;mircea_popescu;(but, worry not -- "climate change" activism is there!)
1659161;1495206669;mod6;mornin'
1659162;1495206762;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/one-belt-one-road
1659163;1495206874;asciilifeform;^ in re cn building rail in europe etc
1659164;1495208708;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1659165;1495208744;mircea_popescu;"resources changing hands" eh.
1659166;1495208760;mircea_popescu;basically, they're not afraid. this bodes well for fiat o.O
1659167;1495209098;ben_vulpes;well it took months, but the shannonizers have finally figured out that #bitcoin-assets doesn't have a voice model
1659168;1495209104;mircea_popescu;just what perpetually lazy greeks & co need --- bout time for another "marshall plan".
1659169;1495209119;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes anything good ?
1659170;1495209130;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: kako unplugged it when he went off to asia iirc
1659171;1495209145;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: mhm
1659172;1495209150;mircea_popescu;ahahaha finally went home to teh miners ?
1659173;1495209171;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: just the typical "inflate inflate!" if you remember that guy
1659174;1495209180;mircea_popescu;notrly, but yeah.
1659175;1495209218;ben_vulpes;the actual lolz are fluffyponzi ignoring "hey, gonna make that 'monero blockchain integrity scan' reproducible?" in favor of "we had to keep it secret because other cryptonotes were vulnerable"
1659176;1495209254;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2017#1471209 << for entomologists -- typical example of kako thread , we had 1,001 of these since dragon day. read one, read'em all.
1659177;1495209254;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 13:14 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. << Seriously
1659178;1495209266;asciilifeform;lol!! phf , that thing dun quite work
1659179;1495209281;asciilifeform;i guess this was not the intended usage .
1659180;1495209303;mircea_popescu;i am mp and wut is this ?
1659181;1495209323;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/hCd0j << cached copy.
1659182;1495209389;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
1659183;1495209404;mircea_popescu;not very interesting crap, is it.
1659184;1495209407;asciilifeform;nope.
1659185;1495209412;asciilifeform;but typical.
1659186;1495209429;asciilifeform;he never gets tired, either.
1659187;1495209456;asciilifeform;which is a little odd, for a d00d supposedly relaxing in the company of fine whores on thai beaches
1659188;1495209500;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: has to come out of a script at this point
1659189;1495209508;ben_vulpes;he's got like three lazzi, what
1659190;1495209987;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659175 << afaik the monero users give approx. as much shit as the tor users gave .
1659191;1495209987;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 15:53 ben_vulpes: the actual lolz are fluffyponzi ignoring "hey, gonna make that 'monero blockchain integrity scan' reproducible?" in favor of "we had to keep it secret because other cryptonotes were vulnerable"
1659192;1495210021;asciilifeform;100% mutual hallucination, 'we close our eyes and there is no wolf'
1659193;1495210146;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'm just doling rope out over here
1659194;1495210803;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure that's right, they literally don't give a shit about anything that's further out than lunch break / takes more thought than lulzpic etc.
1659195;1495210833;asciilifeform;it's what makes crackpot-alts such perfect chump-harvesters
1659196;1495210837;asciilifeform;to begin with.
1659197;1495210849;mircea_popescu;sure. well... 300 years ago it was "chartered companies".
1659198;1495210858;mircea_popescu;"for a purpose so secret no one may know what it is" etc.
1659199;1495210861;asciilifeform;aha
1659200;1495210866;asciilifeform;and 50 yrs -- penny stock
1659201;1495210877;mircea_popescu;"some new device for televising opera"
1659202;1495211025;mircea_popescu;can't even argue with it. in their environment, it dun pay to care. what's gonna happen, gunman shows up massacres the lot ? hurr, not like ~anything their brains could come up with'd help in that situation. what other environmental pressure do they encounter ? nothing surmountable. if the corp trough has pepsi that day, they can stand on fuckiong head won't get coke. "company policy".
1659203;1495211073;mircea_popescu;the result of making all possible change, even the most dismal and unimportant, mindboggling expensive is a large set of cows. they dun care. why shouyld they care ? while the oats & hay lasts they eat and foal ; once it ends it ends. that's all.
1659204;1495211118;mircea_popescu;conceivably someone in the eg donner party went over to the cattle, to tell them that they're fucked, feed's running out, etc. if they did, there was certainly no observable change in cattle behaviour. the fuck were they gonna do ?
1659205;1495211201;mircea_popescu;cow finds out how to walk on two legs, extract ore, smelt metal, build helicopter, fly over to californy come back with another bushel of oats ? what is this, supercow al rescate ?
1659206;1495211243;asciilifeform;and moreover, why would he ~come back~
1659207;1495211256;asciilifeform;and if came back, why not with butcher.
1659208;1495211259;mircea_popescu;well yes, the thing is weak in all articulations, including that one.
1659209;1495211462;mircea_popescu;which takes us right back to the kako lulz. i was sitting with girl earlier, idly observed "check out that dork, argentina was too far for him. china -- not. what the fuck is wrong with people." and she explained. "you know what it is. bitcoin went up. you're thinking, eh, he made hundreds, what does he care. he cares -- because he mostly sold them as he got them, good little soviet."
1659210;1495211488;mircea_popescu;then they worry about ~my~ bitcoin income. i suppose cows also worry about human dwelling -- no large salt rock in livingroom, how do those poor people live!
1659211;1495211494;asciilifeform;hey, not even china, first nz, then th !
1659212;1495211531;mircea_popescu;right right.
1659213;1495211543;asciilifeform;i dun recall whether he made a cn stop
1659214;1495211562;asciilifeform;d00d posted various buddhas etc
1659215;1495211584;mircea_popescu;anyway, the only reason this is lulzy is because (different) girl estimated him incapable of going further than a few hundred miles for cultural / mentality reasons.
1659216;1495211601;asciilifeform;didn't he motor all around eu at one time
1659217;1495211608;asciilifeform;in his boeing-toyota
1659218;1495211609;mircea_popescu;which was the thing, back then, "of course he's not going -- to ag or anywhere else. too far from home, country boy."
1659219;1495211796;asciilifeform;as for 'ar is too far', d00d was (from his pov) poor -- a small wad of btc, but the damocle's sword of having to do honest work one day, loomed; then he 'sold the motherland' and now rich, problemsolved.
1659220;1495214543;asciilifeform;in other news, a 4096-bit A**B takes approx 14 seconds (3GHz) .
1659221;1495214560;asciilifeform;( unoptimized square )
1659222;1495214720;asciilifeform;(recall, it dun matter what the operands are equal to)
1659223;1495214855;asciilifeform;2048 bit : ~10s
1659224;1495214976;asciilifeform;8192 still hasn't returned...
1659225;1495215200;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NEovA/?raw=true << coad
1659226;1495215290;asciilifeform;probably doomed to karatsuba
1659227;1495215454;asciilifeform;8192 returned:
1659228;1495215458;asciilifeform;10 minutes.
1659229;1495215541;asciilifeform;which is not mega-surprise, the op is O(N^5).
1659230;1495215550;asciilifeform;as written.
1659231;1495215625;asciilifeform;the funny part is that this is actually ~usable for pgp-like use
1659232;1495215630;asciilifeform;if it were not for KEY GENERATION
1659233;1495215652;asciilifeform;which would take several years.
1659234;1495216011;ben_vulpes;in other peak oil news, fuel inventories filling again.
1659235;1495216029;asciilifeform;a 8192-bit mul takes ~0.06s
1659236;1495216040;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'load shedding'
1659237;1495216199;ben_vulpes;aka "demand destruction"?
1659238;1495216203;asciilifeform;aha.
1659239;1495216319;asciilifeform;0.06 is off by factor of ~2, measuring with rough clock suxx. but overall idea is correct.
1659240;1495216400;asciilifeform;even if proper squaring were instantaneous (and it won't be, it will be perhaps 2x faster), this is still painful.
1659241;1495216410;asciilifeform;( overall speed would improve 2x )
1659242;1495216915;asciilifeform;nao we need a non-recursive (! , SPARK won't allow recursion nor is it constanttimesafe to have any), constant-time karatsuba...
1659243;1495217224;asciilifeform;hey loox like ben_vulpes is awake, why not ~he~ try
1659244;1495217255;*;asciilifeform in a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651249 mood
1659245;1495217255;a111;Logged on 2017-05-03 13:11 mircea_popescu: and if mp organises a conference there's going to be a conference and if he does not there's not going to be one and if we need an isp how about mp makes it and so on and so forth up the fucking wall.
1659246;1495217971;asciilifeform;possibly i explained this next bit, but can't seem to find it in the l0gz, so will post here ftr :
1659247;1495218001;asciilifeform;a 'schoolbook' (word-by-word, using * (which will compile to IMUL instr on x86) multiplier will be faster than the 'egyptian' one. the catch is,
1659248;1495218017;asciilifeform;that there is NO guarantee that MUL/IMUL (or equiv. on other cpu) is constant time !!
1659249;1495218033;asciilifeform;in fact, it is well-known not to be constant time on recent intels.
1659250;1495218112;asciilifeform;shift-and-add ('egyptian') mult. has advantage that cpu CANNOT attempt to optimize
1659251;1495218137;asciilifeform;(what's it gonna do ? not shift? not add ? how'd it know when.)
1659252;1495218183;asciilifeform;witness, incidentally, the lack of a 'constant-MUL' instruction on any extant cpu.
1659253;1495218187;asciilifeform;think accident??
1659254;1495218332;asciilifeform;see also this d00d's -- https://bearssl.org/ctmul.html -- attempt to solve the problem in the maximally backwards, utterly ill-conceived ways.
1659255;1495218340;asciilifeform;but at least sees that it is a problem..
1659256;1495218536;asciilifeform;the multiplication problem is incidentally a textbook instance of 'specificity of diddling'. if someone offered any of you a cpu that has a 'rsa instruction', you'd barf. because very clearly paints a target for the enemy, giving him info he has no business having re what you intend to eat, when, with what spoon
1659257;1495218547;asciilifeform;but having a 'mul' instruction is in fact a thing on the same continuum!
1659258;1495218566;asciilifeform;cpu, designed by enemy, goes 'aha! he wants to mul! what can i leak about his operands..!'
1659259;1495218585;asciilifeform;'i know! the number of bits equalling 1! i'ma broadcast'
1659260;1495218669;asciilifeform;of course it is even easier if idiot luser uses 'library' or 'os api' crypto. hence why the insistent and incessant schneiering, 'don't write own crypto!'
1659261;1495218932;asciilifeform;arm cpu is incidentally ~egregious~ offender
1659262;1495218936;asciilifeform;re nonconstant mul.
1659263;1495219227;mod6;hmm
1659264;1495219714;mod6;do the disassembled module parts look how you'd expect them to look?
1659265;1495219729;mod6;i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?
1659266;1495219755;asciilifeform;well it adds bounds checks
1659267;1495219759;asciilifeform;but i ain't giving those up
1659268;1495219765;asciilifeform;understand, the constant term doesn't matter.
1659269;1495219767;asciilifeform;generally, ever.
1659270;1495219777;asciilifeform;when you have an O(N^5) !!
1659271;1495219783;mod6;right.
1659272;1495219798;mod6;apparently ada also allows inline-asm.  who knew?
1659273;1495219807;asciilifeform;it does but this is SPECIFICALLY anti- what i want.
1659274;1495219811;asciilifeform;i'd write whole thing in asm then.
1659275;1495219812;mod6;ya
1659276;1495219818;asciilifeform;and it'd be approx same size, incidentally.
1659277;1495219827;asciilifeform;and run maybe 20% faster.
1659278;1495219840;asciilifeform;but married to x86, and certainly not fits-in-head.
1659279;1495219863;mod6;indeed.
1659280;1495219912;asciilifeform;i know what the retarded solutions look like, at this point ALL of the published ones, i'd bet, i've read. if i wanted to perpetrate the same retardation, i'd simply use one of'em.
1659281;1495219934;mod6;ya
1659282;1495220001;asciilifeform;every single subcomponent has to run at ~worst case~ complexity at all times. i.e. 0**0 takes same time as (2**8192)**(2**8192).
1659283;1495220009;asciilifeform;that's what constant-time means.
1659284;1495220028;Framedragger;(meanwhile at the zoo http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html )
1659285;1495220293;ben_vulpes;> No seeds were lost but the ability of the rock vault to provide failsafe protection against all disasters is now threatened by climate change
1659286;1495220306;ben_vulpes;so you dug a hole in a mountain and called it an impregnable vault
1659287;1495220335;ben_vulpes;and then it flooded because you didn't actually call the actuaries and ask how likely the permafrost was to melt in the next millino years
1659288;1495220362;asciilifeform;hey, it ain't a disaster, it's practically a cheque for 4x the grantolade
1659289;1495220362;ben_vulpes;omfg the willful ignorance and self-deception.
1659290;1495220364;asciilifeform;build new!!11
1659291;1495220372;asciilifeform;just like them cyclotrons
1659292;1495220396;asciilifeform;failure-is-success, moar-studies-needed, etc
1659293;1495220398;ben_vulpes;well pay 10x up front for a thing that works, or 1x for a thing that appears to work so long as we don't move too far from initial conditions.
1659294;1495220423;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658504 thread. )
1659295;1495220423;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 18:57 asciilifeform: there is no money, in modern usg reich, in SOLVING a problem
1659296;1495220442;ben_vulpes;rank incompetence.
1659297;1495220455;asciilifeform;the sheer megalomania of 'seed vault' was breathtaking, even compared to, say, u.s. nuke network
1659298;1495220481;asciilifeform;'maybe we can make seeds scarce one day, by fucking with weather' 'and guess what, only source of new ones will be usg!'
1659299;1495220590;trinque;christ, the "lets be proactive about global warming" thing takes the cake.
1659300;1495220603;phf;“failsafe“ even the article puts it in quotes
1659301;1495220628;asciilifeform;btw so far all i know is inference from ben_vulpes's headline. wouldja link to the original, ben_vulpes , plox ??
1659302;1495220629;trinque;moral obligation to shoot anyone who begins "seeding atmosphere with reflective whatevers" or meddling impulse of the day
1659303;1495220631;asciilifeform;terrible habit, this
1659304;1495220633;asciilifeform;not linking.
1659305;1495220648;ben_vulpes;sorry, sorry
1659306;1495220650;phf;https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/19/arctic-stronghold-of-worlds-seeds-flooded-after-permafrost-melts
1659307;1495220660;asciilifeform;trinque: and anyone who 'seed vault mega-fortress in antarctica'
1659308;1495220671;asciilifeform;thing's as legit a military target, imho , as it gets.
1659309;1495220673;ben_vulpes;"seed vaults" are like people who "just want titanium bitcoin keys"
1659310;1495220699;ben_vulpes;no buddy, you are now in the business of maintaining computronium/gardens.
1659311;1495220754;trinque;all flavors of cowardice begging mother to remove all possible failures, death mostest.
1659312;1495220859;trinque;asciilifeform: the observation that these make monsantos cum, absolutely.
1659313;1495220896;phf;you'd think, in an engineering project, rather then a political one, an incident like that is a welcome opportunity to go back to drawing board and attempt to address the deficiencies of current design
1659314;1495220957;asciilifeform;there are no ~natural~ disasters where the 'seed vault' thing would turn out to be an asset.
1659315;1495220980;asciilifeform;only monsantotronic ones ( and even these, somewhat of a stretch )
1659316;1495221051;asciilifeform;it's to be seen as ~exactly like the lavish nuke-shelters (complete with underground casino and whorehouse) americans like to build.
1659317;1495221071;asciilifeform;for lizards.
1659318;1495221170;phf;i think if not for an implicit whiny political message, it could've been a nifty long now project. if nothing else, a seed repository for museum purposes. it would be, for example, interesting to observe natural mutations that might take place from now till the vault is consulted
1659319;1495221194;asciilifeform;mutations will happen at ~same rate in the vault.
1659320;1495221197;ben_vulpes;i was laboring under the delusion that it /was/ a long now project!
1659321;1495221213;asciilifeform;they happen mostly from decay of organism's own K-40.
1659322;1495221220;asciilifeform;rather than external 'cosmic ray' etc
1659323;1495221234;phf;wut
1659324;1495221237;asciilifeform;aha.
1659325;1495221257;asciilifeform;see yesterday's thread.
1659326;1495221265;phf;there's no aha, we're talking about inert seeds. mutations happen as part of selection process in reproduction cycle
1659327;1495221296;asciilifeform;well the implicit comparison is to refrigerator on the continent
1659328;1495221309;asciilifeform;where you can also keep seeds.
1659329;1495221350;asciilifeform;dna rots 'in situ', while not being copied, just as in the usual process.
1659330;1495221371;asciilifeform;( if this were not so, 'unextincting' the creatures of the past, would be trivial )
1659331;1495221412;asciilifeform;last i saw, nobody had an especially long fragment of mammonth genome. despite refrigeration !
1659332;1495221785;phf;when i said mutations, i meant the iterative selection stuff. i don't know how well the seeds store, and if they don't, then there's not much of a point to the whole thing.
1659333;1495222013;asciilifeform;they'll store.
1659334;1495222041;asciilifeform;but the point of the vault is to keep'em far from some folx, vs others
1659335;1495222047;asciilifeform;not from mutation.
1659336;1495222209;asciilifeform;(observe, many folx , worldwide, already store seeds . but those don't make headlines , nor collect $billions in grantola from 'international komyoonity')
1659337;1495222364;asciilifeform;at any rate i can scarcely picture what the advertised vault could be other than a targeting decoy.
1659338;1495222381;asciilifeform;so it dun matter, to ~anyone in particular, if it floods, burns down, or gets rm -rf /'d by martians.
1659339;1495222405;asciilifeform;so long as advertised later to have been 'repaired and good as new and with further climatechangeproofing' slathered on top.
1659340;1495222674;phf;well, it's a mythological device
1659341;1495222685;asciilifeform;exactly like a missile shield.
1659342;1495222708;asciilifeform;lives in the 'twilight' between the engineered artifact and the religious 'pyramid'.
1659343;1495222865;phf;well, i think mythological devices are not inherently bad as long as they have some aesthetic value to it. problems is most of these projects are mythology for progressive bureaucrats, so they are fully stripped of aesthetics and only have implied didactic value. sort of like a church with an angry god, but no awesome transcendent
1659344;1495222880;asciilifeform;there is, however, a logical (if you will) component . there's a school of thought among lizards - normally ted turner is the name that comes up, but only because he afaik was the only unabashed, publicly confessed adherent -- that it'd be nice, from lizard pov, to physically exterminate the (actual) free world
1659345;1495222894;asciilifeform;so that usg and its catamites could have their 1,001-year-reich
1659346;1495222905;phf;lol good luck with that
1659347;1495222910;asciilifeform;early on (1960s) when su got nuke parity, it was decided that the nuke pathway probably won't work
1659348;1495222915;asciilifeform;so they switched to 'slow poison'
1659349;1495222984;asciilifeform;'unsexy', slow, 'boring' methods, e.g. mcdonaldization
1659350;1495223035;asciilifeform;but the continued (not so seekrit) existence of, e.g., american biowar programme, suggests that the 'old flame' has not yet entirely gone out.
1659351;1495223086;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 << there's no real reason to support anything other than 4096.
1659352;1495223086;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 17:37 asciilifeform: 10 minutes.
1659353;1495223237;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659253 << i think no demand.
1659354;1495223237;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 18:23 asciilifeform: think accident??
1659355;1495223258;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, NOBODY to date, and outside of us, nobody at all ever conceived of using digital computers for cryptography. period and full stop.
1659356;1495223277;mircea_popescu;ics are these things that go into the fridge so you can play mario while figuring out what to take out of it.
1659357;1495223359;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659265 << has this ever not been the case, ever since the demise of mel ?
1659358;1495223359;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 18:48 mod6: i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?
1659359;1495223422;mircea_popescu;!~calc 0**0
1659360;1495223424;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 0**0 = 1
1659361;1495223432;mircea_popescu;i had nfi that is even defined. why is it defined ?
1659362;1495223499;mircea_popescu;"anything multipled by 0 is 0 ; anything raised to the power of 0 is 1." call http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656407
1659363;1495223499;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 16:23 mircea_popescu: btw, you know the famous case of buridan's ass yes ?
1659364;1495223658;mircea_popescu;anyway : some people say it's not for the people to shoot theresa may. i disagree.
1659365;1495223976;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659313 << there are no deficiencies of current design, nor could there be. she is perfect in every way as she is and she shouldn't ever change.
1659366;1495223976;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 19:08 phf: you'd think, in an engineering project, rather then a political one, an incident like that is a welcome opportunity to go back to drawing board and attempt to address the deficiencies of current design
1659367;1495223985;mircea_popescu;good thing they included femvoices in the public sphere.
1659368;1495224026;danielpbarron;0 to the 0 is indeterminate, as in it could equal anything depending on what the limit functions are that get to 0
1659369;1495224058;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659318 << maybe i'm not getting what you're saying, but how are the mutations to occur in a vault ? they're not growing and producing seeds and growing again, are they ? or you want to examine what, individual embryo cells ?
1659370;1495224058;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 19:12 phf: i think if not for an implicit whiny political message, it could've been a nifty long now project. if nothing else, a seed repository for museum purposes. it would be, for example, interesting to observe natural mutations that might take place from now till the vault is consulted
1659371;1495224076;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it was when i went to hs, but i figured they've progressed past that
1659372;1495224102;mircea_popescu;gotta keep up with our democracy n'est pas.
1659373;1495224282;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659332 << seeds store fabulously well. they found viable lower empire wheat in pyramid-buried amphora, 3-4k years old.
1659374;1495224282;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 19:23 phf: when i said mutations, i meant the iterative selection stuff. i don't know how well the seeds store, and if they don't, then there's not much of a point to the whole thing.
1659375;1495224311;danielpbarron;apparently Euler argued that 0^0 should equal 1 on the basis that n^0 equals 1. also, my ti-89 says 0^0 = 1
1659376;1495224378;mircea_popescu;yes, but could equally well argue it should equal 0 on the basis that 0*x = 0.
1659377;1495224411;danielpbarron;but that's a weaker argument to make since there are zero terms
1659378;1495224423;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659344 << i thought that was soros. anyway.
1659379;1495224423;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 19:41 asciilifeform: there is, however, a logical (if you will) component . there's a school of thought among lizards - normally ted turner is the name that comes up, but only because he afaik was the only unabashed, publicly confessed adherent -- that it'd be nice, from lizard pov, to physically exterminate the (actual) free world
1659380;1495224434;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron in what sense, weaker ?
1659381;1495224451;danielpbarron;zero times itself zero times, as in... there is nothing at all to multiply
1659382;1495224473;mircea_popescu;well... by the same argument raising to the 0th power is no raising to any powers ?
1659383;1495224516;danielpbarron;it is not controversial to say that 1^0 equals 1. that is one times itself zero times
1659384;1495224525;mircea_popescu;moreover, the strong argument is ex nihilo nihil. n ^ 0 is validly something, but 0 processed in any way can't properly make anything besides itself.
1659385;1495224569;mircea_popescu;n ^ 0 is practically speaking the mathematical notation of aristotle's prime mover. "before anything, everything was one."
1659386;1495224569;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659351 << gotta realize, you need a 8192b register to do 4096 (e.g., mircea_popescu's familiar mod) key.
1659387;1495224569;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 19:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 << there's no real reason to support anything other than 4096.
1659388;1495224574;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit.
1659389;1495224584;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1659390;1495224602;asciilifeform;the other thing is that key gen that takes a year, instead of 10yrs, is still not useful.
1659391;1495224654;mircea_popescu;myeah
1659392;1495224836;asciilifeform;as for n ^ 0, this is not mega-mystery :
1659393;1495224850;asciilifeform;say, x/x . elementarily, 1
1659394;1495224859;asciilifeform;x ^ 1 / x ^ 1 = 1
1659395;1495224904;asciilifeform;x ^ 2 / x ^ 1 = x ^ 1 ; x ^ n / x ^ m = x ^ (n - m)
1659396;1495224917;asciilifeform;so you gotta have x ^ 0 = 1
1659397;1495224926;asciilifeform;or now you have this weird special turd case for no reason.
1659398;1495225169;mircea_popescu;sure.
1659399;1495225174;mircea_popescu;that part is no problem.
1659400;1495225200;mircea_popescu;but x/x is not 1 if x=0. also elementary.
1659401;1495225208;asciilifeform;it's a eggog
1659402;1495225217;mircea_popescu;so is 0**0.
1659403;1495225219;asciilifeform;but one that doesn't propagage (unlike div0) so nobody signals it.
1659404;1495225230;asciilifeform;*propagate
1659405;1495225286;mircea_popescu;anyway, danielpbarron original approach, ie with limits of functionals, is imo also the correct one. and in this perspective f ^ g when both f and g ->0 is properly undefined.
1659406;1495225335;asciilifeform;as for euler's convention, see also https://archive.is/QmXbi
1659407;1495225373;asciilifeform;( summary : 0**0 != 1 would make expansion of taylor series a bitch )
1659408;1495225400;mircea_popescu;tough.
1659409;1495225417;asciilifeform;better phrasing would be -- it wouldn't win anybody anything
1659410;1495225423;mircea_popescu;4 != 5 also makes whatever a bitch.
1659411;1495225435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this isn't a business transaction. i dun give a shit who suffers from math.
1659412;1495225445;asciilifeform;gimme a propagating eggog, a la div0 or 4 := 5 , that results from 0**0=1.
1659413;1495225483;mircea_popescu;why ?
1659414;1495225510;asciilifeform;because that's the standard for distinguishing an axiom from an arbitrary notational.
1659415;1495225515;mircea_popescu;not in my book.
1659416;1495225555;asciilifeform;ooh can we do axiom of choice next!1111
1659417;1495225559;mircea_popescu;>D
1659418;1495225573;mircea_popescu;i thought we do that like twice a week.
1659419;1495225583;asciilifeform;[insert massive, week-long mathewank here]
1659420;1495225664;mircea_popescu;anyway, to humor you and with absolutely no dispositive intent : let f(x) = 1/x ; let g(x) = 1/x*2. let x ->n. 0**0 = 1 implies x -> 1 when x->n.
1659421;1495225682;asciilifeform;iirc that was euler's argument aha
1659422;1495225710;mircea_popescu;pretty self-evident.
1659423;1495225727;mircea_popescu;ie, ANY error, no matter how justified, IS, exactly, ~exactly~ equal any other.,
1659424;1495225741;mircea_popescu;there isn't in math a possible classification of errors. any one is sufficient to "prove" all others.
1659425;1495225748;mircea_popescu;this is, in fact, the standard for what math is.
1659426;1495225762;asciilifeform;circular. you gotta define what ~is~ an error
1659427;1495225837;mircea_popescu;i know 'em when i see 'em.
1659428;1495225853;asciilifeform;lolk
1659429;1495225871;asciilifeform;now where do i buy a pocket mircea_popescu !1111
1659430;1495225879;mircea_popescu;who dun have one, let him buy one.
1659431;1495225910;mircea_popescu;( g is 1/x**2 above, if it wasn't obvious)
1659432;1495226757;*;asciilifeform is haunted by the notion that constant-time karatsuba gotta exist SOMEWHERE
1659433;1495226766;asciilifeform;srsly, nobody ?
1659434;1495227573;ben_vulpes;waaay over my pay grade
1659435;1495227764;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/america/ << Trilema - America!
1659436;1495227779;ben_vulpes;oh dear
1659437;1495227803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ you got quoted.
1659438;1495227832;asciilifeform;lol!
1659439;1495227877;asciilifeform;i bet that hovel is listed for 100kbux
1659440;1495227880;asciilifeform;at least.
1659441;1495227906;asciilifeform;'because if it were less, rabid asciilifeforms could show up and buy'em and THEN wat do'
1659442;1495227957;mircea_popescu;you can call!
1659443;1495227979;asciilifeform;mas tamaño,  mas sabor !!11 (tm)(r)(subj)
1659444;1495228000;mircea_popescu;sam knows.
1659445;1495228007;asciilifeform;i'd rather buy that dump in timis
1659446;1495228014;asciilifeform;the one with the piss
1659447;1495228078;mircea_popescu;which was that ?
1659448;1495228100;asciilifeform;cement thing full of rubbish that we ran into on a walk
1659449;1495228137;mircea_popescu;no shortage of those in timisoara.
1659450;1495228148;asciilifeform;as folx unzipped & pissed, asciilifeform immediately thought 'perhaps THIS is the mythical Cheap Real Estate'
1659451;1495228227;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you gotta see what goes for 300k in cr
1659452;1495228242;ben_vulpes;"we'll even throw this shitty kia in for another 10k!"
1659453;1495228260;mircea_popescu;seems ~miami-like tbh.
1659454;1495228267;asciilifeform;as for the cr photos -- i gotta admit, buenos aires looked like a civilized city, esp in contrast. whereas cr looks moar like what asciilifeform imagined 'banana republic' when reading as a child.
1659455;1495228286;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 300k buys a cr palace compared to pdx hovel
1659456;1495228295;mircea_popescu;ironically, while cr is in fact just about that, it has better services than argentina. or the us, for the most part.
1659457;1495228309;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes portland is "urban".
1659458;1495228310;ben_vulpes;nfi what property goes for in miami, utterly uninterested in fl.
1659459;1495228326;asciilifeform;which services would these be ? maybe we oughta compare mircea_popescu's part/join ticker vs his time in ar
1659460;1495228329;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's not terribly expensive, let's put it that way. not a steal either.
1659461;1495228342;asciilifeform;what's better in cr ? rubbish disposal?
1659462;1495228349;*;ben_vulpes deeply suspicious of steals in any case
1659463;1495228355;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whores. restaurants. clubs. bars. you name it -- anything that dun has to do with govertnment.
1659464;1495228374;mircea_popescu;supermarket here regularly has 3-4 people working at bagging / ferrying my groceries to car when i visit.
1659465;1495228382;ben_vulpes;is it typically piped sewage or septic?
1659466;1495228394;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ever told you about the time i traded color tv set for flat in condo ?
1659467;1495228401;ben_vulpes;lolno amazing
1659468;1495228414;mircea_popescu;yeah. sold for i dun recall, 30k i think a few years later.
1659469;1495228420;mircea_popescu;anyway, all piped, the grades are insane.
1659470;1495228424;ben_vulpes;ohyeah also how is computronium procurement pipeline in cr?
1659471;1495228434;mircea_popescu;amazon delivers.
1659472;1495228440;mircea_popescu;how is it in portland ?
1659473;1495228447;ben_vulpes;same
1659474;1495228450;mircea_popescu;right.
1659475;1495228458;ben_vulpes;civilization, sounds like
1659476;1495228480;ben_vulpes;with mangoes!
1659477;1495228503;mircea_popescu;did i tell you about rthe mango-pineapple jam i made ?
1659478;1495228548;ben_vulpes;no, do
1659479;1495228572;mircea_popescu;plus cane sugar and fresh vanilla bean. very strong femobedience aura.
1659480;1495228617;mircea_popescu;but in other wtfs, meteorologists report it already rained here 30% more than average for the whole month.
1659481;1495228670;mircea_popescu;!!key wernii
1659482;1495228671;deedbot;Not registered.
1659483;1495228941;shinohai;"
1659484;1495228942;shinohai;Ricardo
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1659487;1495228976;ben_vulpes;grade a brochureware
1659488;1495228989;mircea_popescu;he doubles every day ? since when, a coupla months ago ?
1659489;1495228991;shinohai;vaya pyes
1659490;1495229034;shinohai;Obviously, all that Bitcoin hasn't allowed him to afford courses in say, web design.
1659491;1495229052;mircea_popescu;maybe he's just emulating me.
1659492;1495229093;ben_vulpes;holy shit mx revolutions are going for five hundred dollars
1659493;1495229145;shinohai;These idiots revolutionize everything.
1659494;1495229219;ben_vulpes;shinohai: mx revolution was the only mouse that i ever actually liked
1659495;1495229253;ben_vulpes;upteen-zillion configurable buttons, and two scrolly-bits
1659496;1495229277;ben_vulpes;mind you i developed this opinion when i lived in illustrator indesign and friends
1659497;1495229309;shinohai;Oh ... my bad ben_vulpes .... I saw `mx` and immediately thought "Mexican Revolution"
1659498;1495229328;shinohai;When you refered to an object of the hardware variety.
1659499;1495229348;ben_vulpes;hey if i could buy a revolution in usa for 5 grand i would
1659500;1495229369;shinohai;I'd chip in!
1659501;1495229381;ben_vulpes;right who wouldn't
1659502;1495229420;shinohai;Fuck, I imagine MP would fund the whole thing and tell us all to keep our bits to purchase popcorn with.
1659503;1495229431;mircea_popescu;want a good $item find an old $item final age of glorious socialism is upon us huh.
1659504;1495229443;ben_vulpes;truf.
1659505;1495229459;ben_vulpes;covered this in g5 and honda threads tho
1659506;1495229593;ben_vulpes;in other holy shits i never knew: "jfli A descendent of Rich Hickey’s pre-Clojure work on the JVM."
1659507;1495229642;ben_vulpes;http://abcl.org/svn/tags/1.4.0/contrib/jfli/README
1659508;1495230351;shinohai;!!up JonDough
1659509;1495230351;deedbot;JonDough voiced for 30 minutes.
1659510;1495230434;JonDough;thx. Got little to say though. I may use lots of words, but
1659511;1495230569;shinohai;Not enouygh apparently
1659512;1495230573;shinohai;*enough
1659513;1495230799;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1659514;1495231130;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659494 << the thing with the detentless wheel ?!
1659515;1495231130;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 21:26 ben_vulpes: shinohai: mx revolution was the only mouse that i ever actually liked
1659516;1495231183;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659496 << with no wacom?!
1659517;1495231183;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 21:27 ben_vulpes: mind you i developed this opinion when i lived in illustrator indesign and friends
1659518;1495231239;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659503 << sad thing is, mice weren't built to last
1659519;1495231239;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 21:30 mircea_popescu: want a good $item find an old $item final age of glorious socialism is upon us huh.
1659520;1495231261;asciilifeform;clicker is good for couplea yrs, typically
1659521;1495231309;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659265 << has this ever not been the case, ever since the demise of mel ? << fair enough.
1659522;1495231309;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 18:48 mod6: i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?
1659523;1495231311;asciilifeform;( often you can desolder and replace, but 1) good luck sourcing the exact part 2) you'll never get the legs back on properly )
1659524;1495231734;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ << plox to share with whatever not-dumb people you might know.
1659525;1495231763;*;shinohai looks at contact list, finds few not0dumb people outside this forum.
1659526;1495231830;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1659527;1495232024;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/19/the-oppressiveness-of-the-casual-dress-code/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The oppressiveness of the casual dress code.
1659528;1495232356;*;asciilifeform listens for the sound of atlases shrugging 
1659529;1495232423;mircea_popescu;lel
1659530;1495232439;mircea_popescu;why the fuck anyone would be on a "committee" is beyond my meagre imaginative powers.
1659531;1495232455;asciilifeform;for money, presumably
1659532;1495232471;asciilifeform;though i can think of slightly cleaner ways to earn bread
1659533;1495232497;*;asciilifeform no longer on any committee, for looong time nao 
1659534;1495232537;mircea_popescu;it never pays anything afaik.
1659535;1495232554;mircea_popescu;somehow twisted "ethics" into justifying the practice.
1659536;1495232574;asciilifeform;doesn't directly pay, no
1659537;1495232580;mircea_popescu;"oh, you mean you want me to work for $institution for free ?" "yes, it's prestige!!! you realising any portion of the value you add would make the value you add worth less--for us!"
1659538;1495232584;mircea_popescu;oh i see then...
1659539;1495232588;asciilifeform;but often is voluntary-mandatory ritual
1659540;1495232639;mircea_popescu;if i consult as to what stupid whore random idiot should not marry, i expect him to pay for the fucking drinks.
1659541;1495232760;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ << Trilema - Time to get out, by the way.
1659542;1495232786;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 'As time marches on and you start to earn more income and you buy a few more t-shirts, a single polo shirt, new jeans, and some Nike runners – but it’s never quite enough. The fashions are changing too quickly and what you wore before soon looks dated and passe..' << dafuq
1659543;1495232799;asciilifeform;didja have the woman write this post, pete_dushenski , or wat
1659544;1495232980;mircea_popescu;!!up juscamarena
1659545;1495232980;deedbot;juscamarena voiced for 30 minutes.
1659546;1495233051;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, /me was at very upscale italian place today, fine food, good service, one large table (16 people). all men. no women. ALL wore jeans. which prompted to look around. EVERY MALE THERE wore jeans. some, ouright denim+timberlands construction yard fare.
1659547;1495233096;mircea_popescu;from what the girls report, the prevalence of adult male who owns nothing beyond jeans and tshirts is 30% or more.
1659548;1495233116;juscamarena;yo,bamb0u is like the dumbest follower of you that I know of, pretty funny to watch him babble around haha
1659549;1495233133;mircea_popescu;i have an follower ?
1659550;1495233172;asciilifeform;!#s bamb0u
1659551;1495233172;a111;4 results for "bamb0u", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bamb0u
1659552;1495233200;mircea_popescu;oh with the slack. right.
1659553;1495233208;asciilifeform;dun look like we got one here aha
1659554;1495233235;juscamarena;he basically thinks you're a god :)
1659555;1495233251;mircea_popescu;my girls think the same!
1659556;1495233354;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in bed, bath and beyond, https://68.media.tumblr.com/2943fdb21135fd014ed85b51e1d5d5e3/tumblr_mvduniS3L81spdyhpo1_1280.jpg
1659557;1495233529;shinohai;I need one of those, my local store doesn't have. Must manufacture myself I suppose.
1659558;1495233604;mircea_popescu;not so hard to make ; purchase parts separately -- some assembly necessary.
1659559;1495233813;shinohai;The assembly is the best part! :D
1659560;1495233841;mircea_popescu;entirely unsurprisingly, adriana salerno aka https://www.bates.edu/mathematics/faculty-staff/salerno-adriana-j/  is some random whore from venezuela who a) has no research to show for the food and board "patriarchy" gave her and b) wishes to scold people who fed and clothe her for free because "they aren't doing enough", while she herself is not catching first flight back to caracas to be raped into the dirt like all the othe
1659561;1495233841;mircea_popescu;r ~exactly identical dumb whores who didn't have the chance / utter and unmitigated priviledge of being picked out of the gutter by self-hating libertard.
1659562;1495233865;shinohai;Sounds like a female thestringpuller
1659563;1495233871;mircea_popescu;it's only priviledge when that guy has it!!1
1659564;1495233977;mircea_popescu;(bates, fwiw, is a "liberal arts" place. not sure why they pretend to a math dept.)
1659565;1495234011;mircea_popescu;but recently been getting major $$$ from all the pantsuit supports desperately trying to avoid outright dekulakization.
1659566;1495234106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when i read that thing the other day, thought 'genius trollage'
1659567;1495234126;mircea_popescu;as per my lights, genuine dumb broad braying her stuff.
1659568;1495234149;asciilifeform;'heighten the contradictions', 'widen the cracks', etc, bring nearer the ovens.
1659569;1495234192;mircea_popescu;i'm not particularly against. very little more amusing than obviously tenner-a-blowjob latinos derping about how they found some loser and hurr durr.
1659570;1495234202;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: configurably detenting!
1659571;1495234213;mircea_popescu;for what it's worth, married whore fare is always one of two : either how much money her husband is making, or how little say he has in things and matters.
1659572;1495234229;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i must not have seen that one
1659573;1495234249;ben_vulpes;besides, once one learns to use a non-detenting wheel, detents are offensive.
1659574;1495234266;*;ben_vulpes slowly grinding away from mice in any case
1659575;1495234275;mircea_popescu;what do you use, stickshifts ?
1659576;1495234286;asciilifeform;i dun have smoothscrolling on my boxen, ben_vulpes
1659577;1495234297;asciilifeform;detents or bust.
1659578;1495234302;mircea_popescu;what is detent ?
1659579;1495234306;ben_vulpes;one click one line?
1659580;1495234314;mircea_popescu;you cliock for scroll ?!
1659581;1495234321;*;asciilifeform does not use mouse particularly often, but expects it to work correctly when picked up
1659582;1495234326;ben_vulpes;click of scroll wheel, mircea_popescu
1659583;1495234335;mircea_popescu;why, to mac third button ?
1659584;1495234354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that also. detent keeps wheel from turning while you press on it
1659585;1495234355;ben_vulpes;scroll wheel itself clicks as you spin it omfg you troll
1659586;1495234371;asciilifeform;why, mircea_popescu , where do you keep 3rd button
1659587;1495234375;mircea_popescu;i have nfi, i never push down the wheels. why would i
1659588;1495234381;asciilifeform;paste ?
1659589;1495234390;mircea_popescu;that's kbd no ?
1659590;1495234390;asciilifeform;b/w terminals
1659591;1495234404;asciilifeform;whole point of mouse, neh
1659592;1495234405;mircea_popescu;well in terminals it's ctrl-6 alt / ctrl-k or w/e
1659593;1495234416;mircea_popescu;i'm confused. what ?
1659594;1495234423;asciilifeform;that pisses ~into~ the term
1659595;1495234431;asciilifeform;sometimes this is unacceptable
1659596;1495234498;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "faggtos"
1659597;1495234505;mircea_popescu;lel
1659598;1495234505;asciilifeform;purpose of mouse is 1) terminal scrollback 2) surgically lifting text, e.g., eggogs, out of terminal 3) cad
1659599;1495234573;mircea_popescu;i pgup the terminal. i generally don't use the mouse to select text, except in some circumstances, and even then only to land. ctrl-arrow etc toi actually select. and i dun much cad, nor can i stand it.
1659600;1495234600;asciilifeform;good thing there's a few folx who can stand it
1659601;1495234605;mircea_popescu;i suppose i don't actually use the mouse that much huh
1659602;1495234615;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform good inded.
1659603;1495234626;mircea_popescu;i think if i cad;d mnuch i;d get a pen though.
1659604;1495234631;asciilifeform;fwiw i dun pick it up for most of day
1659605;1495234689;ben_vulpes;way upstack, asciilifeform didja see the hickey pre-clojure "jfli" stuff?
1659606;1495234703;asciilifeform;pen is great, i have a recent wacom here, but software support is ~nil
1659607;1495234711;mircea_popescu;part of why can't stand it.
1659608;1495234717;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: armedbear?
1659609;1495234721;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aha
1659610;1495234736;asciilifeform;it was well-known, suffered from same problems as his later crackpottery
1659611;1495234746;asciilifeform;fuck jvm with rusty shovel.
1659612;1495234747;ben_vulpes;that being?
1659613;1495234751;ben_vulpes;well yes, jvm a shit.
1659614;1495234775;asciilifeform;no exception handling, no restarts, jvm barf on eggog
1659615;1495234786;asciilifeform;not retrofittable, either.
1659616;1495234791;ben_vulpes;abcl will drop one into a debugger
1659617;1495234813;ben_vulpes;and does not do restarts and condition handling? that i have not yet verified myself
1659618;1495234814;asciilifeform;i see 0 reason to bother making silk purse from the sow.
1659619;1495234826;asciilifeform;let the sow go.
1659620;1495234843;ben_vulpes;eh, man needs a shovel to take care of shitpile.
1659621;1495234867;asciilifeform;i dun need jvm for anything whatsoever.
1659622;1495234940;ben_vulpes;lucky you
1659623;1495234958;asciilifeform;!#s armed bear
1659624;1495234958;a111;5 results for "armed bear", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=armed%20bear
1659625;1495234966;asciilifeform;pretty sure we had thread
1659626;1495235187;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 << oblig, and still gathering butthurtz 8yrs later
1659627;1495235354;ben_vulpes;eh, i find it funny that he went from doing stuff in cl to the clojure fingertrap
1659628;1495235368;ben_vulpes;not surprising, but funny
1659629;1495235422;asciilifeform;wanted to 'modernize', hipsterize, embrace an' extend, have-followers, komyoonity, 'governance', rubberchickenconferences
1659630;1495235422;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/ryan-x-charles-goes-to-clearance-bin-for-latest-spam-as-service-offering/ << Qntra - Ryan X Charles Goes To Clearance Bin For Latest Spam As Service Offering
1659631;1495235458;ben_vulpes;he dun even attend anymore
1659632;1495235574;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659234 << Switch to "summer gas" has deadline by end of month, so refineries coming back from maintenance downtime
1659633;1495235574;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 17:46 ben_vulpes: in other peak oil news, fuel inventories filling again.
1659634;1495235827;mircea_popescu;such a weird thing to want.
1659635;1495235842;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659287 << No such thing as permafrost, in every direction from myself jawbones of "Edestus shark" are found suggesting my present location was once ocean floor
1659636;1495235842;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 18:58 ben_vulpes: and then it flooded because you didn't actually call the actuaries and ask how likely the permafrost was to melt in the next millino years
1659637;1495235848;mircea_popescu;i can't explain it outside of fundamental alienation. dude can't pick up in bars like normal people, figures he wants this crap ?\
1659638;1495235971;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659329 << AHA, traditional rule of thumb is from batch of seeds germination rate decreases ~10% per year of storage (give or take)
1659639;1495235971;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 19:15 asciilifeform: dna rots 'in situ', while not being copied, just as in the usual process.
1659640;1495236085;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659349 << Aha, meanwhile SU's "cultural marxism" slow poison continues beyond SU's grave
1659641;1495236085;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 19:43 asciilifeform: 'unsexy', slow, 'boring' methods, e.g. mcdonaldization
1659642;1495236279;mircea_popescu;no stupid idea ever died yet.
1659643;1495236714;BingoBoingo;polybutalene piping did
1659644;1495236721;BingoBoingo;In very rare case
1659645;1495236758;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QTnBx/?raw=true << mod6 , phf , ave1 , et al : most recent ffa
1659646;1495236793;asciilifeform;still well under 1000 ln.
1659647;1495236824;asciilifeform;( half of which is header )
1659648;1495236924;shinohai;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/#selection-47.418-47.426 s/faggtos/faggots/ ?
1659649;1495236997;mircea_popescu;i thought i fixed that ?
1659650;1495237029;*;shinohai reopens page
1659651;1495237066;shinohai;aha! I opened the page before being called outside to survey the garden.
1659652;1495237076;mircea_popescu;ha!
1659653;1495237101;shinohai;Seems you did pruning of your own!
1659654;1495237108;mircea_popescu;well, ben_vulpes beat you to it.
1659655;1495237156;shinohai;The glorious Republic, where many eyes will ensure not a single spelling snafu goes unnoticed.
1659656;1495237709;mircea_popescu;might be the most-read text. seeing how people actually read.
1659657;1495238531;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks!
1659658;1495238947;mod6;new ffa compiles
1659659;1495239295;shinohai;https://blog.comae.io/wannacry-decrypting-files-with-wanakiwi-demo-86bafb81112d  <<< claims to have "fix" for the Wannacry ransomware.
1659660;1495239366;trinque;publishing a fake fix that wrapped it in yet another layer of ransomware would be top trolling.
1659661;1495239453;shinohai;!!up mav11
1659662;1495239454;deedbot;mav11 voiced for 30 minutes.
1659663;1495241942;phf;rich hickey is a common lisper, i met him at philly ete back when the language was still in flux, and thought that his pedigree is going to be a benefit to the system that he's trying to build. not so. he made similar rationalization to gosling "such and such feature is complicated for the end lusers, so i decided we're not going to support it" re readtables, exception, proper type hierarchy, etc.
1659664;1495241985;mircea_popescu;wtf does this "end user ease" bs come from anyway.
1659665;1495242001;mircea_popescu;how do they have sex, these people ? "this part of the penis she might feel, please ablate" ?
1659666;1495242046;phf;i suspect thinking is "i can trick her into having sex with me, by making myself bland and non-threatening"
1659667;1495242050;mircea_popescu;"we support urethra-only penis ; easier for end user, plus more octopus compatible this way too!"
1659668;1495242059;mircea_popescu;holy shit, you're right aren't you.
1659669;1495242094;mircea_popescu;"if it dun feel like much of a fuck, she might sit put a turn."
1659670;1495242927;asciilifeform;vampire bat cock lol
1659671;1495246372;phf;“P: A programming language for asynchrony, fault-tolerance and uncertainty (microsoft.com)” cc asciilifeform
1659672;1495248428;mod6;!up moli_
1659673;1495248445;mod6;!!up moli_
1659674;1495248445;deedbot;moli_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1659675;1495248614;asciilifeform;phf: and tmsr is a thorium molten salt reactor, dun forget.
1659676;1495248679;asciilifeform;and an australian rock band.
1659677;1495248689;asciilifeform;and i fughet what else.
1659678;1495251421;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659495 << i'm using a mouse with 1 button and even that's too many buttons. mouse just needs to point; keyboard can click.
1659679;1495251421;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 21:27 ben_vulpes: upteen-zillion configurable buttons, and two scrolly-bits
1659680;1495252078;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4D6639A2284B17CBCAC69E9DCFF7FA528B73CD98FD8AFA6770053ECD72EC7E9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1032...9853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.198 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1659681;1495252078;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4D6639A2284B17CBCAC69E9DCFF7FA528B73CD98FD8AFA6770053ECD72EC7E9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1024...8989 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.198 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1659682;1495252746;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A41C72E132CA27C714CCBB891B3E0FB2599ADD962AA0B016016A35D597E6DEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1223...6897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.68.44 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.68.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
1659683;1495252746;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A41C72E132CA27C714CCBB891B3E0FB2599ADD962AA0B016016A35D597E6DEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...5183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.68.44 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.68.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
1659684;1495252746;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FF39F5C93A6DA366B8B6C3C28699D4787489C0F3C0EB0D45AF999D9D6809FC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...5183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.249.251.162 (ssh-rsa key from 183.249.251.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
1659685;1495252746;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FF39F5C93A6DA366B8B6C3C28699D4787489C0F3C0EB0D45AF999D9D6809FC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1226...2807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.249.251.162 (ssh-rsa key from 183.249.251.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
1659686;1495252746;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4D6639A2284B17CBCAC69E9DCFF7FA528B73CD98FD8AFA6770053ECD72EC7E9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1032...9853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.198 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1659687;1495252747;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3D39768DC3697D89650029AA98422A7B114356E890AA3879B03F8A4B277EF854 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1032...9853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.185 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1659688;1495252747;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3D39768DC3697D89650029AA98422A7B114356E890AA3879B03F8A4B277EF854 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1250...3197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.185 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1659689;1495253133;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516891 >> did this ever get resolved? i'm at the same impasse
1659690;1495253133;a111;Logged on 2016-08-07 18:22 hanbot: so in V99995 testing, it'd seem the asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is "invalid", i imagine 'cause of something to do with stan's old key? and deedbot only spits the current, which i have. i don't see the old one on btcalpha either, anyone have an idea fo' me?
1659691;1495253497;asciilifeform;!!key asciilifeform
1659692;1495253498;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc
1659693;1495253514;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: make sure your copy matches ^
1659694;1495253552;asciilifeform;( modulus expir date was changed, for the last time, in january '17 )
1659695;1495253635;asciilifeform;fwiw the modulus never changed, and isn't going to change, DITCH THE OLD CRUD folx plz!!!
1659696;1495253659;asciilifeform;stop distributing mod+expireddatesig!! it does 0 good !!
1659697;1495253689;asciilifeform;old sigs WILL verify with current keys, mine, phf's, etc
1659698;1495253699;asciilifeform;whoever else used to have expiring keys
1659699;1495253811;danielpbarron;i specifically used that copy from deedbot, as per the instructions on thebitcoin.foundation
1659700;1495253826;danielpbarron;i'm sure i also have an old copy, but this is a totally new machine
1659701;1495254496;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: try manually verifying one of my seals on that box
1659702;1495254504;asciilifeform;post the output plx
1659703;1495256427;asciilifeform;!~later tell danielpbarron iirc someone ( pete_dushenski ? ) recently had same problem, culprit was a corrupted ( passed through a www browser that raped the line endings ) vpatch.
1659704;1495256427;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1659705;1495256716;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1659706;1495256722;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1976.35, vol: 13751.04547662 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1963.339, vol: 6946.43921 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1980.1, vol: 22504.38983902 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1838.447471, vol: 9678.78220000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1972.985, vol: 6720.92530865 | Volume-weighted last average: 1953.47589047
1659707;1495256771;BingoBoingo;Oh my, we've almost OMG CRASHING into $CURRENTYEAR
1659708;1495280570;shinohai;moli_: If you would like assistance in setting up a znc or weechat instance to help curb the join/part spam, please PM me.
1659709;1495288721;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/what-the-fuck-am-i-going-to-do-literally/ << Trilema - What the fuck am I going to do ? Literally.
1659710;1495288907;shinohai;Who knew that mircea_popescu could prevent unwanted pregnancies!
1659711;1495290331;mircea_popescu;ikr!
1659712;1495292487;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/Bh25t >> '...the Education Department is paying its debt collectors up to $1,710 per borrower to collect around $45...'
1659713;1495292536;mircea_popescu;and if it stopped, they'd have to find some other way to bribe the populace.
1659714;1495292588;mircea_popescu;"independent contractors", ie govt paper pushers without health insurance or pensions. if they don't have a job, what do they do ? shoot hillary ?
1659715;1495293549;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-20#1659702 << http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mFWXY/?raw=true
1659716;1495293549;a111;Logged on 2017-05-20 04:28 asciilifeform: post the output plx
1659717;1495293783;danielpbarron;ah i see. i downloaded them with lynx which apparently added some lines to the head of the files about where they were downloaded from..
1659718;1495293804;danielpbarron;i used curl and the same file now verifies
1659719;1495293804;mod6;yah
1659720;1495293821;mod6;are you using V99994 now too?
1659721;1495293860;mod6;not that theres any difference, but then you get the advantage of some really important enhancements/fixes.
1659722;1495293898;danielpbarron;i'm doing this one http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
1659723;1495293923;danielpbarron;and for those curious, here's what lynx adds >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/odgWG/?raw=true
1659724;1495294159;mod6;yup, that's the one, thx.
1659725;1495294240;shinohai;I forgot how long I have been using my own mirror on localhost, but it is exact copy of what is on http://thebitcoin.foundation and presses clean for me.
1659726;1495294418;danielpbarron;yeah it's all good. once i removed those headers from all the patch files it pressed fine
1659727;1495295254;mircea_popescu;and in today's lulz, ancient (march 2012) mp predicting asics and chiding idiots for failing to do anything useful. http://trilema.com/2012/de-unde-vine-valoarea-inovatiei
1659728;1495295265;mircea_popescu;it's a good thing i'm right... now and again. LUCK!!11
1659729;1495295361;shinohai;One of these days I want a trilema header with mircea_popescu gazing into crystal ball .... PREDICTING TEH FUTURE :D
1659730;1495295362;mircea_popescu;(for the record -- first "company" to announce bitcoin mining asic was the ndrangheta scam of sony vleisides ("butterfly labs"), an ex-con dealing while under supervised release in breach ofr the terms of that release which the "tough on crime" usg has never yet prosecuted.)
1659731;1495295390;mircea_popescu;that happened in june 2012, ie, dorks read trilema, figured they could pull off the scam of offering faux variant of item, and went for it.
1659732;1495296514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'take money and ship difficultyobsolete, dusty, and thermally raped asics 6 months later' folx were not much better
1659733;1495296585;asciilifeform;idiot lamers thought 'hey, six months of anticipatory drooling', sc4mz0r: 'hey, phreee loan'
1659734;1495296591;mircea_popescu;the point here is that some unworthy criminal organisation daring to pretend to sovereignity has the unmitigated audacity to refuse to prosecute known criminals and then try and talk to me about whatever inept fucking hussles it came up with that quarter.
1659735;1495296634;mircea_popescu;there is a reason mp doesn't think much of usg "law enforcement", and that reason is in the vein of the healthy man not thinking much of the sexual competition by the bellhop of notre dame.
1659736;1495296677;asciilifeform;same thing with pirate et al, no ? there was a time when usg nurtured and protected btc scammers of all types
1659737;1495296685;mircea_popescu;yes.
1659738;1495296695;asciilifeform;'yi yi zhi yi'
1659739;1495296713;mircea_popescu;and that time ain't going a-fucking-way just because hurr, five years passed and there's a new generation of woke dumbasses.
1659740;1495296842;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-20#1659723 << somehow i dun recall my lynx doing this. gotta wonder what the author of your ver was thinking
1659741;1495296842;a111;Logged on 2017-05-20 15:25 danielpbarron: and for those curious, here's what lynx adds >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/odgWG/?raw=true
1659742;1495296858;asciilifeform;probably some variant of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-29#901052 .
1659743;1495296858;a111;Logged on 2014-10-29 01:36 asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
1659744;1495296901;mircea_popescu;(probably a fine time to underscore the http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/#selection-2229.1-46.1459 lulz. guess what -- it's not that THOSE random dorks are no longer here. it's that preet is now a "resident scientist" at NYU and i'm exactly where i was when his career was beginning, also.)
1659745;1495296980;mircea_popescu;and in other maga lulz, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/12/ex-cia-officer-faces-imminent-extradition-to-italy-hopes-trump-can-help.html
1659746;1495297029;asciilifeform;old noose neh
1659747;1495297031;asciilifeform;afaik nothing came of it
1659748;1495297042;mircea_popescu;!#s sousa
1659749;1495297042;a111;0 results for "sousa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sousa
1659750;1495297050;asciilifeform;jan. 12
1659751;1495297060;mircea_popescu;ah in that sense. well... ongoing matter.
1659752;1495297122;mircea_popescu;anyway, she was taken in custody in february, is currently sirtting in portugal jail afaik.
1659753;1495297417;Framedragger;http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/ << via https://twitter.com/gregeganSF (yes turns out he has a twatter account) << via https://twitter.com/jonathan_blow
1659754;1495297457;Framedragger;!$getarchive http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/
1659755;1495297458;scriba;Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/NGx3J (this was archived by scriba: no)
1659756;1495297550;mircea_popescu;" The androcentric scientific and meta-scientific evidence that the penis is the male reproductive organ is considered overwhelming and largely uncontroversial."
1659757;1495297555;mircea_popescu;this just aroused my awareness. bbl.
1659758;1495297624;Framedragger;hehe
1659759;1495297625;Framedragger;"The paper was ridiculous by intention, essentially arguing that penises  shouldn’t be thought of as male genital organs but as damaging social  constructions. We made no attempt to find out what “post-structuralist  discursive gender theory” actually means. We assumed that if we were  merely clear in our moral implications that maleness is intrinsically  bad and that the penis is somehow at the root of it, we could get the  paper 
1659760;1495297635;Framedragger;"published in a respectable journal."
1659761;1495297913;Framedragger;"paper" itself is good, too
1659762;1495297939;ben_vulpes;good find Framedragger
1659763;1495297942;ben_vulpes;"...and is the conceptual driver behind much of climate change"
1659764;1495298042;Framedragger;"Some references cite the Postmodern Generator"
1659765;1495298042;Framedragger;/me rolls on floor
1659766;1495298096;ben_vulpes;i salute the noise-floor raising achievements so displayed
1659767;1495298098;ben_vulpes;with my penis
1659768;1495298352;Framedragger;"We intended to test the hypothesis that flattery of the academic Left’s  moral architecture in general, and of the moral orthodoxy in gender  studies in particular, is the overwhelming determiner of publication in  an academic journal in the field." noshit.jpg but also applause.jpg
1659769;1495301609;BingoBoingo;OMG, did they just marginalize penises of color?
1659770;1495302710;danielpbarron;i got a bitcoind to compile with the latest instructions and it is confirmed to add new blocks to my pre-existing .bitcoin which is now currently at height 450026
1659771;1495303118;ben_vulpes;neato danielpbarron
1659772;1495303155;ben_vulpes;didja throw wires, or pete_dushenski's regrind of the getpeerinfo backport or any other strange into the tree?
1659773;1495307362;danielpbarron;no
1659774;1495307771;mircea_popescu;Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct".
1659775;1495307838;mircea_popescu;that's the whole story. if you're not ok with your kid cutting up the puppy you bought it to see what's inside, you're not ok with having a dick. there's no stop on the slope.
1659776;1495307838;mircea_popescu;!!key Alexey_
1659777;1495307840;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/E79D7852E5EA7C8A837EC51447F9785975D5715F.asc
1659778;1495308315;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659543 << omg sexist!1
1659779;1495308315;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 22:26 asciilifeform: didja have the woman write this post, pete_dushenski , or wat
1659780;1495308339;pete_dushenski;i have an eye for fashion, what can i tell ya
1659781;1495308401;pete_dushenski;speaking of fashions, https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/865250670831702016
1659782;1495308425;pete_dushenski;^for transtomologists only
1659783;1495308587;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: that paper is g-g-g-g-gold. should win pulitzer. hey if maya angelou can be nominated, these guys deserve it take home whole shebang.
1659784;1495308607;pete_dushenski;s/it/to
1659785;1495308740;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: thx for the latest activism piece! very much enjoyed the call to arms. now, to figure out how to do away with fiat banks entirely...
1659786;1495308763;pete_dushenski;it makes a respectable five-year plan if nothing else.
1659787;1495308784;mircea_popescu;doesn't have to be entirely. has to be substantially.
1659788;1495308812;pete_dushenski;that's definitely more doable.
1659789;1495308876;mircea_popescu;rather. just like you know, taking back alimentary independence is making the girls capable to cook anything if need be, not everything all the time.
1659790;1495308887;mircea_popescu;quite a different story to be eating out cuz want to eat out vs cuz want to eat.
1659791;1495309014;pete_dushenski;big time. i rarely eat out because between the girl at home and the chef girl at the office, restaurants just seem slow, overpriced, and less amenable to my sundry whims and fancies
1659792;1495309193;*;pete_dushenski first read alimentary independence as alimonial independence, figured that bitcoin was as staunch a defense against prying states/spouses as anything
1659793;1495309309;pete_dushenski;if only greenspun wasn't so old, jewy, and busy with winblozboxen, he could shut up about 'no-fault divorce' and how 'banging school principal in mass. is a better career choice for girls than medicine' and just suggest the only right and proper remedy to that particular poison pill.
1659794;1495309363;*;pete_dushenski still guiltily checks greenspun's blergh once a week, isn't always disappointed
1659795;1495309570;pete_dushenski;there's something strangely appealing about reading the musings of nearly sentient middle-aged gentleman of the fiat persuasion. they're just a bit too over the hill to be here, but were they fortunate to have been born just a decade or two later, they would've/could've/should've made fine republican specimens.
1659796;1495309617;pete_dushenski;i'd put taleb, greenspun, tyler cowen, russ roberts, and matt levine in this camp.
1659797;1495309670;pete_dushenski;jeez that group is 80% jew by mass and the other 20% is still eastern mediterranean. fuckimbiased!
1659798;1495310281;pete_dushenski;"It was designed as an impregnable deep-freeze to protect the world’s most precious seeds from any global disaster and ensure humanity’s food supply forever. But the Global Seed Vault, buried in a mountain deep inside the Arctic circle, has been breached after global warming produced extraordinary temperatures over the winter, sending meltwater gushing into the entrance tunnel." << no one fails more
1659799;1495310283;pete_dushenski;hilariously than globalist-climatist-preppers
1659800;1495310326;mircea_popescu;somehow oddly it's not "our inept activity ruined a previously fine natural space".
1659801;1495310347;mircea_popescu;they get a free card. certainly NOT their bumbling idiocy digging the thing in the first place sent gushing meltwater. o no. not that.
1659802;1495310378;pete_dushenski;or "no one told us building DOWN into permafrost was a terrible idea so it's not our fault, we couldn't have known"
1659803;1495310386;mircea_popescu;i suppose next stop is angry newspaper articles about how global warming burned a bunch of the lychens in some "artist studio" somewhere. because it totally was not the piled up dry garbage.
1659804;1495310437;pete_dushenski;and "global warming caused lice to infest my body hair"
1659805;1495310489;ben_vulpes;i gotta point out that a lykkin is far more likely to have a mortgage and beer belly by 23 than to shack up with artists who might make awkward social situations what with the dating multiple women and other such unspeakables
1659806;1495310503;mircea_popescu;basically they stumbled on metaphysics. very comfortable, all this.
1659807;1495310530;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes such a disjunction was originally predicated re hackers and hipsters. guess what - 20 years healed the rift.
1659808;1495310618;mircea_popescu;there's no reasonable expectation that 2017 "hacker" can add ; there'll be no reasonable expectation that 2040 "artist" can fuck, or locomote.
1659809;1495310632;ben_vulpes;in my experience the hipsters now live 3 to a room and the corporate "senior javascript engineers" have the mortgages
1659810;1495310635;mircea_popescu;they'll live shut in their art. ftw!
1659811;1495310664;mircea_popescu;maybe the problem is just senescent myopia, i fail to distinguish a hipster from a web designer from a "backend engineer" from an etc.
1659812;1495310665;ben_vulpes;no lykkin would ever think themselves a 'hacker' omfg, waste time soldering things together they can buy pre assembled?
1659813;1495310699;mircea_popescu;yes, but would think self "artist". in fact... does.
1659814;1495310707;ben_vulpes;we all know the alexas are relaying everything to the nsa's stats machines, "whatever, man, i just wanna get some more point on my steam collection"
1659815;1495310725;mircea_popescu;and every tiresome hipster thinks himself at least a little hacker. reddit and wikipedia is practically a hax already yes ? LIFEHACKS!
1659816;1495310744;ben_vulpes;eh, "ux expert" more likely to be a bad artist than js anything
1659817;1495310771;ben_vulpes;ugh this thread is just comparing kinds of roaches
1659818;1495310772;mircea_popescu;are you thinking "plastic artist" specifically, or do you include all the dorkage, "performance" etc ?
1659819;1495310773;ben_vulpes;i am self disgust
1659820;1495310811;ben_vulpes;no the kinda guy who played in bands in his early twenties and then got hoovered into $deathcorp because he can string passable sentences together and shit out the odd mockup.
1659821;1495310813;mircea_popescu;the words are, after all, pickup ARTIST.
1659822;1495310837;ben_vulpes;and now paints, buys paintings, designs his remodels himself
1659823;1495310851;asciilifeform;hunger artist
1659824;1495310867;mircea_popescu;yeah, this would be "plastic artist", ie, painter. but there's also the you know, "performance artist", ie, tramp.
1659825;1495310877;mircea_popescu;or however you call in english the hooker/pickpocket combo.
1659826;1495310940;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "hunger artist"?
1659827;1495310985;asciilifeform;!~google the hunger artist
1659828;1495310987;jhvh1;asciilifeform: SparkNotes: A Hunger Artist: <http://www.sparknotes.com/short-stories/a-hunger-artist/>; Kafka, A Hunger Artist - Vancouver Island University: <https://records.viu.ca/~Johnstoi/kafka/hungerartist.htm>; A Hunger Artist - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hunger_Artist>
1659829;1495310997;mircea_popescu;how ~do~ you call it anyway ? the "hates men and capitalism" tomboy that'll beg and if desperate fuck for pay ? like that mentally ill nut with the "scum manifesto"
1659830;1495311011;mircea_popescu;valerie solanas.
1659831;1495311037;pete_dushenski;street urchin ?
1659832;1495311094;asciilifeform;they're ~extinct, mircea_popescu , welfarism zapped'em
1659833;1495311108;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean the word also has to go away
1659834;1495311123;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski street urchin is devoid of secondary sexual characteristics.
1659835;1495311129;asciilifeform;aha but filed with dodo.
1659836;1495311253;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: dats true. maybe street whore. or street slut.
1659837;1495311306;pete_dushenski;the 'street' is definitely important in conveying the vagabondiness so associated with pickpockets
1659838;1495311356;pete_dushenski;'female aladdin' could work too
1659839;1495311377;pete_dushenski;fambly friendly!
1659840;1495311613;mircea_popescu;not really looking for new coinage.
1659841;1495311633;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wtf is a lykkin ?
1659842;1495311652;mircea_popescu;fan of the lykkin park band.
1659843;1495311680;pete_dushenski;lol
1659844;1495311694;phf;a furry who's into werewolves?
1659845;1495311700;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1659846;1495311847;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657436
1659847;1495311847;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 16:34 ben_vulpes: we call these "lykkins"
1659848;1495312399;mircea_popescu;you know, i'm sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but this "skeptic" "post structuralist gender theory" piece is perfectly fine from said perspective. makes fine sense to me. the whole exercise is not so different from "proving" that, eg, newton letters are "pompous" and "improper discourse" because a) he uses a lot of symbols and purpose-made constructs and b) some of the stuff it says is counterintuitive to the layman. with a
1659849;1495312400;mircea_popescu;n added c) it is coherent with the rest of the crap his nutty mathematician friends do, so clearly that's the only reason they say "they can tell the lion by his claw".
1659850;1495312566;ben_vulpes;the part where it passes peer review with wholly fabricated citations is pretty funny though!
1659851;1495312591;ben_vulpes;reviewers ask for more examples, authors literally make more up. "oh okay! much better."
1659852;1495312706;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1659853;1495312787;mircea_popescu;but this sort of bureaucratic scribble is very much not in the vein the matter is taken. nobody's seriously interested in the fact that citations are bullshit -- they're bullshit throughout and this is by and large accepted and deemed acceptable as seen by the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637747 thing
1659854;1495312787;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 mircea_popescu: this is usually included by the shorthand string "bibliography"
1659855;1495313055;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's significant linkage between eg "If you’re having trouble understanding what any of that means, there are two important points to consider. First, we don’t understand it either. Nobody does. This problem should have rendered it unpublishable in all peer-reviewed, academic journals." and, picking randomly, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646034 / J. Michael Bailey lulz.
1659856;1495313055;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 15:38 mircea_popescu: incidentally, alf is correct on one point : there is a painful spot in the history of psychology (the pseudoscience). let us delve :
1659857;1495313076;mircea_popescu;his position was ~same : this shit makes no sense to me, shouldn't make any sense to you, and in any case should have no temples (ie, public expenditure).
1659858;1495313082;mircea_popescu;this is fine, except the jews dun care.
1659859;1495313158;mircea_popescu;every religion is similar to every other in the fundamental points that a) it is only accessible to the "initiated", the bar for which is never so low as to not demand the subject WANTING TO get it and b) public expenditure (not necessarily in the shape of coin) is not driven by any sort of efficiency paradigm.
1659860;1495313313;mircea_popescu;now, obviously the protest will be "but mp, your example with newton is scandalous, math is a fucking science". yes, it is. in theory. in practice it is not, as far as every non-practician is concerned math is a religion by definition, and what's worse -- even as far as brilliant practicians are concerned! because what else do you make of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659407 than "i am fine with interacting with math qua
1659861;1495313313;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 20:22 asciilifeform: ( summary : 0**0 != 1 would make expansion of taylor series a bitch )
1659862;1495313313;mircea_popescu; religion for as long as it doesn't actually get in the way of what i'm trying to do right now".
1659863;1495313340;mircea_popescu;then again newton himself was not so very impressed with math ; certainly not impressed enough to favour it above his religious studies.
1659864;1495313465;asciilifeform;b. pascal, even less impressed...
1659865;1495313535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: describe plox what NOT 'interact with math-qua-religion' might look like
1659866;1495313539;mircea_popescu;in fact, the "being impressed with science" thing is rather ~same blather as "being impressed with state", recent gaselnita.
1659867;1495313587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can show by quote. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+cryptography
1659868;1495313613;mircea_popescu;"i dun care what you fucking idiots say, show me the proof of this, the logic of that, who counted these beans, wtf are you doing!"
1659869;1495313655;phf;we have periodic threads on scientism also, "i fucking love science", dawkins army, scientific realism, etc.
1659870;1495313672;mircea_popescu;we do.
1659871;1495313805;mircea_popescu;in any case, before getting angry and taking a hatchet to the b) above, consider that the possiblity of loving a woman is strictly dependent on, you've guessed it, public expenditure not following efficiency paradigm.
1659872;1495314003;asciilifeform;which one gets to fuck 'under efficiency paradigm', is one of the main diff b/w the pig and the farmer
1659873;1495316062;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-volume-2 << CH - Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 2
1659874;1495317172;mircea_popescu;rather.
1659875;1495321053;phf;!#vulpe
1659876;1495321054;phf;!#vulpes
1659877;1495321054;a111;JUST UN FUCKING KINK IT
1659878;1495321263;shinohai;!#vulpes
1659879;1495321263;a111;a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
1659880;1495321273;shinohai;ghehehehe
1659881;1495327537;asciilifeform;MKULTRA2 has quit << lol!
1659882;1495327658;asciilifeform;in other sads, it turns out that paul g. comba ( of comba's multiplication algo ) died in april.
1659883;1495327681;asciilifeform;astronomer.
1659884;1495328483;mircea_popescu;sucks
1659885;1495328817;*;asciilifeform sat with notebook on the grass near usg capitol, good weather, and was aaalmost getting somewhere in re fixed-time karatsuba, when suddenly massive RUSSIA OUT OF UKRAINE!1111 troop of 'protesters', drums, правый сектор ( ukronazi!111 ) flagz, etc, etc , marched past.
1659886;1495328819;asciilifeform;mega-lol
1659887;1495328855;asciilifeform;then same scenario, and interrupted by falun gong priest.
1659888;1495328860;asciilifeform;probably not best place for mathematics.
1659889;1495329248;asciilifeform;perhaps more interestingly, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ohnoezterrorists.jpg
1659890;1495329276;asciilifeform;^ all entrances to various usg ministries now have these. as of no more than 2-3 wks ago.
1659891;1495330032;phf;tactical concrete deterrent клумба
1659892;1495330070;asciilifeform;aha!
1659893;1495330587;shinohai;!!up MKULTRA2
1659894;1495330588;deedbot;MKULTRA2 voiced for 30 minutes.
1659895;1495330743;MKULTRA2;https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24321768
1659896;1495331829;mircea_popescu;they're disguising the bollards as planets ? such subtle.
1659897;1495331833;mircea_popescu;planters*
1659898;1495331856;asciilifeform;no, the funny bit is that this is old, circa 9/11, but they used to line the perimeter sidewalk
1659899;1495331864;asciilifeform;but this is apparently No Longer Enough
1659900;1495331877;mircea_popescu;masturbation never is.
1659901;1495331878;asciilifeform;'what if TWO trucks!'
1659902;1495332008;mircea_popescu;lol wtf is this "pay homeless dude to smoke my totally novel bomb idea!!" nonsense.
1659903;1495332015;asciilifeform;for extra lulz, these were around fdr-era monstrosities, with metre-thick walls, iron gates.
1659904;1495332062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's that entire graceless "neogreek" ustardian thing.
1659905;1495332069;asciilifeform;aha them
1659906;1495332071;mircea_popescu;they look like the temple of Boring.
1659907;1495332077;asciilifeform;exactly what they are.
1659908;1495332082;mircea_popescu;i guess huh.
1659909;1495332121;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what one'd have to think, comparing the very elegant late 1800s items, often found on same street as the humongously ugly 1930, and not weep.
1659910;1495332140;mircea_popescu;"genius of american people" indeed.
1659911;1495332350;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, per-tx fee to ensure next-block is now ~3 bucks.
1659912;1495332363;mircea_popescu;this is for the single address payment, 1/4 kb sort of item.
1659913;1495332364;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/doj_survive.jpg << my personal favourite lulwall. ( same bldg as previous shot )
1659914;1495332641;mircea_popescu;and the reason of course is bullshit 0 fee nonsense like 79910ccfde98875181b1abfec727fd0c19eb13cf1cd60bf0134c45f92278ed90 being mined.
1659915;1495332651;mircea_popescu;serioujsly, no need for any fee for 25kb of crapolade ? hurr.
1659916;1495332668;asciilifeform;betcha it's one of the ones where idiot paid via visa
1659917;1495332673;asciilifeform;for 'accelerated tx mine'
1659918;1495332844;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah, im sure.
1659919;1495332844;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: leaking ip
1659920;1495332882;mircea_popescu;eh, this was an entirely novel behaviour. apparently, i "disconnected" except not, and then i "reconnected" except not.
1659921;1495332940;asciilifeform;yeah, never seen this prior
1659922;1495332952;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea why freenode feels the need to go to the inept lengths of all this, OBVIOUSLY they leak all ips to usg. what the fuck is writing extra state in the machine gonna do exactly.
1659923;1495332978;mircea_popescu;"oh, parallel construction". really ? why, because someone's gonna believe this that wouldn't have believed anything else anyway ?
1659924;1495332995;asciilifeform;well obviously to leak to randos. so that mircea_popescu can be busied with mopping their guts off the wall
1659925;1495332997;mircea_popescu;dorks bored at work in teh temple of boring.
1659926;1495333013;mircea_popescu;~nobody cares one way or the other.
1659927;1495333025;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is the hardest thing to grok for the drones. but anyways.
1659928;1495334164;mod6;Here's the third entropy collection from FG #5: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.ent_run3.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.dieharder_run3.txt
1659929;1495334192;asciilifeform;ohai mod6
1659930;1495334193;asciilifeform;neato
1659931;1495334344;mircea_popescu;in other forgotten medicine details :
1659932;1495334395;mircea_popescu;in the 19th century, childbirth was a lot more difficult an affair than these days. for one thing, there was no epidural. for another thing, none of this c-section bs ; most people didn't even do it. for the third, most women delivered assisted by an older woman without a doctor present. and so following.
1659933;1495334431;mircea_popescu;an important item of child delivery in more diffcult cases was the forceps. the forceps is an adapted medieval torture instrument, and it looks it. most women feared it like the hangman;s noose, and for good reason -- it often delivered the same results.
1659934;1495334443;mircea_popescu;this thing was disinfected. they did not use autoclaves. they burned it.
1659935;1495334506;mircea_popescu;the operation of burning the instruments was always done in view of the patient. this because the doctors had noticed that in a 10-15% of cases, the sight alone produced delivery, and they weren't gonna fucking argue with anything that avoided the usage of the thing that left you know, scars on the baby sometimes carried into adulthood, not to mention dead mothers everywhere.
1659936;1495334545;asciilifeform;iirc the original obstetric forceps was a 1600s item, and somewhat different purpose from current : was meant to take out ~in pieces~ ( in event of 'guess what, hole is too small', strictly as alternative to becoming one of those corpse-in-a-corpse lulz-for-archaeologists to find )
1659937;1495334569;asciilifeform;london, incidentally
1659938;1495334575;asciilifeform;who said the brits achieved 0.
1659939;1495334577;mircea_popescu;many variants. i actually bought a little table forceps once specifically because it looked like one historical type.
1659940;1495334583;mircea_popescu;\this was intended for serving food though
1659941;1495334654;shinohai;whoreticulture is hard work
1659942;1495334674;asciilifeform;also one could interpret the burning as 'disinfect', but this is mistake, they thought of it merely as cleaning -- nobody thought to disinfect beds, or, more famously, hands.
1659943;1495334689;mircea_popescu;but there was one with two hearty metal loops, facing each other, intended to grab the child's head. if head first presentation. there was a different turning item, for the case where the baby was strangling. there was also a sort of tyre iron for unhooking the shoulder (very common stuck birth issue).
1659944;1495334718;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is 19th not 16th century. there was some diffuse groking of hygiene.
1659945;1495334790;asciilifeform;19th iirc was really peak dyshygiene -- in 16th, not so many fluffy linens, and -- key -- delivery worked by, typically, some random old woman, rather than a 'pro' doc straight from dissectionary
1659946;1495334813;mircea_popescu;"for the third, most women delivered assisted by an older woman without a doctor present. and so following."
1659947;1495334829;asciilifeform;as i understand this was a + rather than a -
1659948;1495334840;asciilifeform;for the tech level
1659949;1495334845;mircea_popescu;with the exception of east coast, england and some parts of the european continent, that holds.
1659950;1495334862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform certainly a + for the common cases.
1659951;1495338757;ben_vulpes;england actually going back to this model
1659952;1495338795;ben_vulpes;"deliver at home, quit burdening the l'hopital with something mammals know how to do quite well"
1659953;1495338822;ben_vulpes;woman wants dark warm hole in which to feel safe, stick her in operatory and holy doodle be retardedly surprised that things go sideways
1659954;1495338859;ben_vulpes;also read yr ovid, normal term is 10 months
1659955;1495338974;BingoBoingo;!~later tell MKULTRA2 Who are you? I don't talk to strangers in pseudo-private
1659956;1495338974;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1659957;1495339027;BingoBoingo;Fellow wanted me to share https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24336283&page=0&vc=#24336283
1659958;1495339095;BingoBoingo;!#vulpes
1659959;1495339095;a111;i will be SURE to listen VERY CLOSELY
1659960;1495339150;ben_vulpes;quite.
1659961;1495339169;ben_vulpes;what is this shroomery thing anyways, a shitty erowid knockoff?
1659962;1495339203;ben_vulpes;top grade lols to be found in the trip reports of the little blues in combination with pretty much anything
1659963;1495339262;asciilifeform;usg-narcoprovocateur-honeypotforum.
1659964;1495339271;ben_vulpes;in other lols, where the us clitoral patrol ships get seawater in their lubricants, spanish dinghys get oil...everywhere: http://gcaptain.com/propulsion-problems-put-australias-largest-warships-out-of-service/
1659965;1495339330;*;ben_vulpes bbl, salad
1659966;1495339427;BingoBoingo;Phun Phack: Siemens light rail systems attract urban youth shennanigans in same way motorcycle sounds attact dogs
1659967;1495347189;danielpbarron;most of the lsd i've done in my life i got from a fellow i met through the shroomery irc server. last i heard he's in prison now for selling to an undercover.
1659968;1495347463;BingoBoingo;There's probably no space for drugs on the internet
1659969;1495347551;danielpbarron;they were investigating a drug ring in ivy league colleges; this guy was selling to some guy who was distributing on campus. i don't recall ever hearing of someone getting busted who just bought for personal use and chatted about it online.
1659970;1495347858;BingoBoingo;That's probably because "six honest words" kept on reserve for other hanging
1659971;1495348289;BingoBoingo;Upon reflection motorcycle is probably healthier vice than drugging
1659972;1495348318;danielpbarron;to answer ben_vulpes' question, it's like erowid but with a focus on the cultivation of psychedelic mushrooms. oh also of note: it got unwanted attention (how i leared about it even) when a guy by the handle "ripper" died of an overdose live on webcam while the chat egged him on to do more drugs. and this was back before smart phones so having a webcam was not trivial
1659973;1495353471;BingoBoingo;Ah, he was meme'd
1659974;1495371947;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3430565.html
1659975;1495372111;shinohai;http://image.nola.com/home/nola-media/width960/img/politics/photo/confederate-monument-protest-in-new-orleans-7557f3f516780959.jpg   <<< lol WE HAZ A QNTRA READER
1659976;1495372256;asciilifeform;notice the riot gear and masks on the crane d00dz
1659977;1495373330;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/rumour-us-cia-lost-most-china-humint-assets-during-hussein-bahamas-administration/ << Qntra - Rumour: US CIA Lost Most China Humint Assets During Hussein Bahamas Administration
1659978;1495382091;phf;shroomery is a crustier take on erowid. if erowid is a 70s post-psychedelic ethnographer and psychonaut attempt at exhaustive substances library, shroomery is where borderline wooks go to share tips on synthesizing dmt using household objects. as the name implies it's primarily about mushroom growing (it's legal to ship spores, but mushroom growing is finicky, so it's a perfect dyi drug project)
1659979;1495385198;asciilifeform;in other noose, probably will have to rewrite ffa entirely
1659980;1495385209;asciilifeform;it makes an efficient mult routine impossible in principle
1659981;1495385264;asciilifeform;because ALL ops take same time, so karatsuma, toom-cook, etc. cannot work because they fundamentally rely on breaking large x*y into a number of smaller a1*b1, a2*b2, ...
1659982;1495385267;asciilifeform;which take less time
1659983;1495385275;asciilifeform;*karatsuba
1659984;1495385428;asciilifeform;now it ~is~ possible to karatsubaize the thing, but in order for it to work -- ALL subroutines -- add, shifts, etc - will have to take an extra argument, L, for how-many-iterations to go for, rather than the current 'for i in Words'Range' .
1659985;1495385453;asciilifeform;when called outside of mult routine, L == width.
1659986;1495385476;asciilifeform;i see no other logically possible cut to this knot. if anybody else does -- please post.
1659987;1495385590;asciilifeform;('all ops take same time' , i oughta clarify, not as-all-other-ops, but regardless-of-what-operands )
1659988;1495392248;ave1;From looking at karatsuba and how it could work bitwise, it might also be useful to have a starting offset
1659989;1495392309;ave1;Also the current multiply could be made faster with this (but probably max factor 2)
1659990;1495397858;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/21/defined-by-the-extremes/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Defined by the extremes.
1659991;1495401468;mod6;I was about to embark on some fg-anal, but realized that I needed to re-run all of the test from FG #1 and one test from FG #2 -- as those were run before the thread about dd 'fullblock'.
1659992;1495401488;mod6;Rerunning these now... will update as they complete.
1659993;1495409347;shinohai;https://github.com/UASF/bitcoin/releases  <<< the latest it appears from the segwit camp
1659994;1495410355;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: tomatoes and peppers in the ground as of today
1659995;1495412818;mod6;nice
1659996;1495412832;mod6;im way behind on my garden. :[
1659997;1495412839;mod6;hopefully get something going this coming weekend.
1659998;1495413142;ben_vulpes;fg-anal lol
1659999;1495414011;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-21#1659954 << ovid ?!
1660000;1495414011;a111;Logged on 2017-05-21 03:54 ben_vulpes: also read yr ovid, normal term is 10 months
1660001;1495414152;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-21#1659970 << exactly.
1660002;1495414152;a111;Logged on 2017-05-21 06:24 BingoBoingo: That's probably because "six honest words" kept on reserve for other hanging
1660003;1495415801;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29774FD69F68E014B6A813E1941AB97DCA93EE74E4F1F7E46B20E363DCE6B0BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1135...7933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.71 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1660004;1495415801;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E8C863CDC46AE508D52F531F2338B6CD9F27C1588AEDD66D976DA1FBA2774F42 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1135...7933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.70 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.70 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1660005;1495415801;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FCCFF9562A6AC168B4618F545D26348C3E719A41A48C476A4ADF49D5E57523B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1150...1539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.86 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1660006;1495415801;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29774FD69F68E014B6A813E1941AB97DCA93EE74E4F1F7E46B20E363DCE6B0BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1150...1539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.71 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1660007;1495415801;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E8C863CDC46AE508D52F531F2338B6CD9F27C1588AEDD66D976DA1FBA2774F42 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1150...1539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.70 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.70 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1660008;1495415801;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FCCFF9562A6AC168B4618F545D26348C3E719A41A48C476A4ADF49D5E57523B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1259...9763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.86 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1660009;1495416369;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "death of meleager", "But where is the affection a mother should feel for her son? Where are the loving ties that ought to bind parents to their children. Where the anguish i endured through ten long months? Oh my son, how much better had I allowed you to burn in those flames, when you were a baby!"
1660010;1495416395;mircea_popescu;maybe he just said 10 for the rhyme.
1660011;1495416445;mircea_popescu;maybe he counts pregnancy from the quickening, so it's ~6 months, and then adds 4 for nursing.
1660012;1495416456;mircea_popescu;maybe he was drunk that day and has nfi wtf this is supposed to be.
1660013;1495416471;ben_vulpes;maybe, maybe, maybe.
1660014;1495416476;mircea_popescu;which is the point.
1660015;1495416516;ben_vulpes;and mine that ten month terms uncontroversial as the precarity of life as far back as the greeks
1660016;1495416553;mircea_popescu;you'll have to source that claim from an actual doctor, as opposed to a drunkard / exile.
1660017;1495416594;ben_vulpes;last time i checked, forty weeks was also square in the middle of "yeah, that's as normal as we have data to back up calling anything about birth normal"
1660018;1495416606;mircea_popescu;where did you check this ?
1660019;1495416627;ben_vulpes;if i could recall, i'd cite it!
1660020;1495416641;mircea_popescu;!~calc 40 * 7 / 30
1660021;1495416644;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 40 * 7 / 30 = 9.333333333333334
1660022;1495416698;mircea_popescu;irl it's 39 to 40, "whenever water breaks but generally no more than 40" sorta thing.
1660023;1495417395;BingoBoingo;congrats ben_vulpes
1660024;1495417404;BingoBoingo;!#vulpes
1660025;1495417404;a111;LOSING MY PATIENCE with the NOISE WHEN I GO TO PISS
1660026;1495420335;shinohai;http://oglaf.com/double-blind/
1660027;1495420520;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/savage-sleep/
1660028;1495421822;mircea_popescu;hey, check out the feminist!
1660029;1495421827;mircea_popescu;tall sonja!
1660030;1495424330;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1660031;1495424337;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2048.15, vol: 7575.63990105 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2055.005, vol: 7767.21139 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2077.3, vol: 20916.47143553 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2042.677956, vol: 16326.51990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2064.2, vol: 6454.84808558 | Volume-weighted last average: 2059.62039855
1660032;1495424353;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-v/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part V
1660033;1495424355;mircea_popescu;why is it crashing ?
1660034;1495424360;BingoBoingo;OMG Crashing past $CURRENTYEAR
1660035;1495424422;mircea_popescu;i think this is good for fiat.
1660036;1495430319;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00E69710A08FE84C607C242B203D610282AED791F7FEBC87A0ADAE9720C3DD37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1726...7357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.1.241.170 (ssh-rsa key from 72.1.241.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (4801F1AA.ptr.provps.com. US CA)
1660037;1495430319;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00E69710A08FE84C607C242B203D610282AED791F7FEBC87A0ADAE9720C3DD37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1796...1267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.1.241.170 (ssh-rsa key from 72.1.241.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (4801F1AA.ptr.provps.com. US CA)
1660038;1495433440;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=437
1660039;1495433455;BingoBoingo;^ "What I did when I was six-years-old is now against the law for young men being scouted by collegiate football programs."
1660040;1495433638;mircea_popescu;lmao
1660041;1495433655;mircea_popescu;really makes one want to burn it down, huh.
1660042;1495433936;BingoBoingo;4real
1660043;1495434330;trinque;actual criminal act being the son speaking to whichever meddling govt slug.
1660044;1495434356;mircea_popescu;eh, i wouldn't put it on the kid.
1660045;1495434453;BingoBoingo;kid likely didn't have to talk to slug himself, slug merely needed to hear hearsay about slug's micro-trek
1660046;1495434473;trinque;could be.
1660047;1495434590;mircea_popescu;moreover, when confronted with the bs, how the fuck do i need to reason to conclude correct solution is not "pay idiot on the phone visit at office, leave him beaten into a gel" but rather "tell kid to lie to strangers randomly and impredictably". what's he supposed to say, specifically ?
1660048;1495434680;mircea_popescu;cryingly obvious that the only correct solution is ask "social worker" dork for his name, paying him a visit, beating him until he swears he will never as long as he lives call anyone with that bullshit ever again.
1660049;1495434690;mircea_popescu;then kill him if he breaks his oath.
1660050;1495434714;BingoBoingo;Eh, perhaps start with beating random idiots into gel. Beat particular phone idiots into half gel, preferably the bottom half.
1660051;1495434718;trinque;not incompatible, these
1660052;1495434729;mircea_popescu;i still dun see what the kid did wrong.
1660053;1495434763;mircea_popescu;he's 17 or w/e. the whole "answer all strangers with fuck you" thing works for old people who already have all the cunts they care to ever have.
1660054;1495434771;mircea_popescu;not for teenagers. he's supposed to talk to ~everyone.
1660055;1495434821;trinque;if I spawned something that wailed to the state regarding my household, I'd at a minimum give the kid to the state on the spot.
1660056;1495434838;mircea_popescu;dun seem too likely kid complained.
1660057;1495434852;mircea_popescu;maybe, i guess. lafond is not very dedecated to the documentary side of things.
1660058;1495434870;BingoBoingo;Kid maybe even was bragging. Just forgot to frame walk as "football training"
1660059;1495434905;trinque;yeh, otherwise no, kid's not expected to fall out of womb a trained diplomat, soldier, spy
1660060;1495434971;BingoBoingo;Anyway, kid ought to learn how to do a gel beating. Defend the Patriarch!
1660061;1495435000;mircea_popescu;moreover any diplomat/spy will explain to you it's stupid and wasteful to try to lie about trivial stuff like whether you walked or drove there.
1660062;1495435108;*;trinque got out of more than a handful of jams with silence, or at least verbal parsimony
1660063;1495435128;trinque;kid can manage that if he's walking through the city aged
1660064;1495435173;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, 6 miles is what, a coupla hours ? kinda meh commute. a mile or two much better constitutional.
1660065;1495435329;BingoBoingo;~90-120 minutes depending on terrain, sights, and (.)(.) sights
1660066;1495436216;mircea_popescu;!!up IRC-Source_69434
1660067;1495436217;deedbot;IRC-Source_69434 voiced for 30 minutes.
1660068;1495436328;BingoBoingo;IRC-Source_69434 Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1660069;1495436768;BingoBoingo;In other gels https://archive.is/i0Jj4
1660070;1495436909;mircea_popescu;so they're changing gaming for redditarding ?
1660071;1495436913;mircea_popescu;makes sense, cheaper gfx.
1660072;1495436944;mircea_popescu;gotta prepare for that one belt, one asshole thing.
1660073;1495437104;BingoBoingo;Well, hard to tell. gotta figure out what kind of gel they are
1660074;1495443764;shinohai;https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013719.html  "If 60% of blocks in any retargeting period signal for Double UASF,
1660075;1495443766;shinohai;any descendant block that creates or spends a segregated witness output is
1660076;1495443768;shinohai;invalid."
1660077;1495443772;shinohai;heh
1660078;1495444316;mircea_popescu;pshaw.
1660079;1495444487;shinohai;Morning mircea_popescu ... thought everyone was asleep at this hour honestly
1660080;1495444529;mircea_popescu;just about to go yeah.
1660081;1495444572;shinohai;lol enjoy, I'm having cafecito and starting day.
1660082;1495444584;*;shinohai searches for lulz
1660083;1495456666;shinohai;http://archive.is/WazBj  "How to obtain items for war chests"
1660084;1495464430;mod6;buenos dias
1660085;1495464756;mircea_popescu;hola mod6
1660086;1495464762;Framedragger;herro.
1660087;1495464806;Framedragger;(scan report: progress is slow, but still on track to get the re-scan and comparison (cf. last year) done in june)
1660088;1495464869;Framedragger;(the SYN probes to the full ipv4 space are the easy part, and those have already been done across 3 different machines for maximum sciency science (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/2017/port22-ip/); key extraction is the thing that's left)
1660089;1495464928;mircea_popescu;how's life in the world's darkest pithole otherwise ?
1660090;1495465001;shinohai;oh you're in the US now Framedragger ?
1660091;1495465009;Framedragger;pithole shall be deframedraggerized some time start of july! so there's that!
1660092;1495465016;shinohai;(World's darkest pit)
1660093;1495465018;Framedragger;US, UK, same shit yknow
1660094;1495465018;mircea_popescu;o hey. where to ?
1660095;1495465025;mircea_popescu;nah, uk leads the shitshow.
1660096;1495465040;shinohai;Impressive.
1660097;1495465042;Framedragger;yeah they want their own internet now and all that
1660098;1495465060;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659284
1660099;1495465060;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 18:53 Framedragger: (meanwhile at the zoo http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html )
1660100;1495465076;shinohai;How goes the "Register @ Post Office to watch pr0n" thing going?
1660101;1495465138;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: france for a bit, visit folks in paris and down south, then back to homeland for sun/heat exposure / to feel the summer so to speak, beverages with friends and so on, and later - who knows. $startup applied to an accelerator in puerto rico (ikr?!), may go there for a few months
1660102;1495465163;Framedragger;shinohai: persistently if effectively :D it's going ~just fine~
1660103;1495465181;*;mircea_popescu picked up aspiring slave/slut at airpot. as per instruction she wore heels an a light dress, no more. dress came off right then and there, into the garbage bin. walked to car, got in... people tried not to notice as is customary...
1660104;1495465185;mircea_popescu;free porn for everyone!
1660105;1495465207;shinohai;:D
1660106;1495465226;Framedragger;mp the public utility provider!
1660107;1495465245;mircea_popescu;young womenz should be naked in public. that's why they're pretty, after all.
1660108;1495465253;mircea_popescu;plenty of time to spend money on clothes after 50.
1660109;1495465390;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170520/#123 << yeah there is that!
1660110;1495465392;scriba;Logged on 2017-05-20: [19:16:12] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct".
1660111;1495465395;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170520/#132 << ikr
1660112;1495465395;scriba;Logged on 2017-05-20: [19:29:49] <pete_dushenski> Framedragger: that paper is g-g-g-g-gold. should win pulitzer. hey if maya angelou can be nominated, these guys deserve it take home whole shebang.
1660113;1495466736;mircea_popescu;and in other strange requests, http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/2377524/details.htm
1660114;1495466815;asciilifeform;lol is this where mircea_popescu gets the airport gurlz
1660115;1495466833;mircea_popescu;ah, notrly. usually by recommendation.
1660116;1495466882;mircea_popescu;i do have a profile though ; pretty sure i linked it at some point.
1660117;1495466891;*;asciilifeform recalls
1660118;1495466917;asciilifeform;wasn't collarspace nearly dead after acrimonious divorce of the owner ? or was that another thing
1660119;1495466930;*;asciilifeform digs in l0gz
1660120;1495466976;mircea_popescu;collarme.com was the original ; entitled wifey tried to run off with domain name / blackmail hubby. lengthy "awareness raising" fembs. dude ignored her thoroughly, reg'd new name, six weeks later she's entirely forgotten.
1660121;1495467001;mircea_popescu;that and the fact site is still, in 2017, eminently usable / well designed etc significantly increase his rep with me.
1660122;1495467456;mircea_popescu;hm, apparently i never did link it. not in the log at any rate. here : http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/1927835/details.htm
1660123;1495468260;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in asciilifeformlandia, http://archive.is/S7UIl
1660124;1495468294;shinohai;Black guy i=on sideline for interpretations?
1660125;1495468644;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from the dept. of strauss-kahnism, http://archive.is/RU0qV
1660126;1495468681;asciilifeform;'He was a millionaire, in Washington to toast President Trump’s inauguration. She was a maid, tasked with cleaning rooms that cost more in a few days than her monthly rent. ... her buttocks, according to a police report ... '
1660127;1495468696;mircea_popescu;still with that, huh.
1660128;1495468716;asciilifeform;it's the n-th, i'd bet
1660129;1495468724;asciilifeform;just happened to be in same fishwrap as the knifey
1660130;1495468751;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in totally great ideas, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/catapult-ad1.mp4
1660131;1495470224;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA957720DCF5C8CC42191CD73108FC89575AEB7E3601626A6926F1ABBE9EDBD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...7957 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.137 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR2117MT750G-VPN-MiVi-Or-Ca-c2677. US CA)
1660132;1495470224;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA957720DCF5C8CC42191CD73108FC89575AEB7E3601626A6926F1ABBE9EDBD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1529...0253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.137 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR2117MT750G-VPN-MiVi-Or-Ca-c2677. US CA)
1660133;1495471174;ben_vulpes;buttocks!
1660134;1495471203;asciilifeform; !#vulpes
1660135;1495471206;asciilifeform;!#vulpes
1660136;1495471206;a111;a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
1660137;1495472417;mircea_popescu;whereas in totally bad ideas, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/catapult-ad1.mp4
1660138;1495472426;mircea_popescu;aw shit wrong link.
1660139;1495472446;mircea_popescu;http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/big-spring-clean-ad.mp4
1660140;1495474833;mircea_popescu;“The parents are totally devastated that their young son, that was at the peak of his career about to take off, and his life was taken away senselessly,” said Godlock, who is serving as a family spokesman.
1660141;1495474849;mircea_popescu;maybe the family considers getting a spokesman who is not a total idiot.
1660142;1495474872;mircea_popescu;the implication of "his career was at the peak and also about to take off" is very neatly that blacks are dumb and incapable of any lift.
1660143;1495474953;mircea_popescu;“Anyone who feels empowered by what happen, the only thing I can say is that if you want to harm our students, you are going to have to go through us,” Mitchell said at Sunday’s news conference. “We are not going to tolerate any harm brought to our students. Not on my campus. Not on my watch.”
1660144;1495474963;mircea_popescu;ahem. if it didn't fly in the face of evidence...
1660145;1495475058;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is the town where a tattered rope from old toy balloon turned into a 'noose' and worked as pretext for butthurt 'commisions', 'diveristy ralleys', doubled funding for 'victim advocates', candlelight vigils, etc
1660146;1495475069;mircea_popescu;awww
1660147;1495475076;mircea_popescu;useless but bored people.
1660148;1495475097;asciilifeform;umd puts out a 'newspaper', also. at one time it was ~readable if a snore. today -- ~100% 'ohnoez campusrape, moarfunding'
1660149;1495475123;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1660150;1495475163;asciilifeform;the switchover was surprisingly sharp, also -- around a year ago.
1660151;1495475177;mircea_popescu;they be hungry.
1660152;1495476038;asciilifeform;!$ssh 38.96.45.137
1660153;1495476038;scriba;ssh banner of 38.96.45.137 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
1660154;1495477673;mircea_popescu;and in other lifes of the mind, https://bluedeckpress.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/relyfe-programming-innovations-in-erotic-hypnosis-for-lasting-changes-in-bdsm-relationships/
1660155;1495485943;ben_vulpes;collarspace down?
1660156;1495485952;ben_vulpes;catapult was a+ lols
1660157;1495486003;ben_vulpes;also, good news for putincoin! http://i.imgur.com/35HkXiI.jpg
1660158;1495486044;mircea_popescu;prolly. it's never been terribly reliable.
1660159;1495486074;ben_vulpes;ah, cloudflare finally kicked in
1660160;1495486096;ben_vulpes;you know what i need, a software as a service thinger that spins forever before delivering a 504
1660161;1495486103;mircea_popescu;but as far as alternative fuckgoats testing goes, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/computer-love-ad1.mp4
1660162;1495486260;shinohai;Only after rigorous testing, such as shown above, do the finest fuckgoats units leave the lab.
1660163;1495486769;mircea_popescu;oh and in other items to make haters sad : went for mountain hike yest. we got so high, we actually went past a BABY FALCON that was learning how to fly.
1660164;1495486788;mircea_popescu;anyone ever saw baby falcon fuck around the ground like a turkey ? no ? DIDNT THINK SO! HA-HAH!
1660165;1495487683;*;phf have seen, likes mountaineering
1660166;1495487695;mircea_popescu;a, good for you then
1660167;1495489744;shinohai;No pics of cuddly baby falcon for those of us with ornithological interests?
1660168;1495490088;mircea_popescu;it didn't stay put long enough.
1660169;1495490480;BingoBoingo;In one of last night's gel's Y ARE STEPS 2-12 WRONG!? https://archive.is/zZNYX
1660170;1495490587;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: also of note, the adorable little potato buds are poking up
1660171;1495490598;ben_vulpes;time to cover them with moar tasty dirt
1660172;1495490623;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Wonderful. Straw also works. Those things will put on size fast
1660173;1495490656;ben_vulpes;i'm looking forward to it
1660174;1495490666;ben_vulpes;shooting for 10/15 lbs per bukkit
1660175;1495490914;BingoBoingo;Nice. This past week tomatoes have just been shitting out new flowers. Lot of pollenating going on
1660176;1495491072;BingoBoingo;Also my sweet corn is taller than any farmer's cash corn I have driven past so far
1660177;1495491991;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/schimb-valutar/ << Trilema - Schimb valutar
1660178;1495494658;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/impeachment-fantasy-of-us-socialist-party-begins-collapsing-as-infighting-resumes/ << Qntra - Impeachment Fantasy Of US Socialist Party Begins Collapsing As Infighting Resumes
1660179;1495494810;mircea_popescu;awww.
1660180;1495495840;phf;!!up IRC-Source_82051
1660181;1495495841;deedbot;IRC-Source_82051 voiced for 30 minutes.
1660182;1495495851;phf;speak
1660183;1495495852;mircea_popescu;is it yours ?
1660184;1495495856;phf;no
1660185;1495495861;mircea_popescu;looks to me like a bot.
1660186;1495495887;phf;over a web though?
1660187;1495495897;phf;though i'm not sure how that cgi-irc thing works..
1660188;1495495902;mircea_popescu;bots can web...
1660189;1495495908;phf;!!!
1660190;1495495910;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 81.103.77.43
1660191;1495495972;shinohai;!~display 81.103.77.43
1660192;1495495972;jhvh1;shinohai: {'city': 'Swansea', 'region_name': 'Z1', 'longitude': -3.966700000000003, 'country_code3': 'GBR', 'latitude': 51.63329999999999, 'postal_code': None, 'country_code': 'GB', 'country_name': 'United Kingdom'}
1660193;1495496041;asciilifeform;!~google http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#trilema
1660194;1495496042;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Connect - freenode Web IRC: <https://webchat.freenode.net/>; freenode Web IRC (qwebirc): (2 more messages)
1660195;1495496062;asciilifeform;!~google http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#trilema&nick=IRC-Source
1660196;1495496063;jhvh1;asciilifeform: freenode Web IRC ( qwebirc ): <https://webchat.freenode.net/>
1660197;1495496066;asciilifeform;nodice
1660198;1495496191;IRC-Source_82051;not a bot
1660199;1495496203;IRC-Source_82051;just lurking
1660200;1495496229;mircea_popescu;so why the retarded nick ?
1660201;1495496256;IRC-Source_82051;all the good ones were taken
1660202;1495496262;mircea_popescu;lolk
1660203;1495496314;mircea_popescu;i wonder if the 10th 9 in that latitude figure is correct, or was it really an 8.
1660204;1495496363;mircea_popescu;fun fact : 10 decimal precise latitudes indicate ~micrometers.
1660205;1495496491;IRC-Source_82051;what do you guys think about BIP148/UASF?
1660206;1495496510;mircea_popescu;!#s "UASF"
1660207;1495496511;a111;3 results for "\"UASF\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22UASF%22
1660208;1495497591;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: latest, it turns out, obfuscatory-rebrand of usg.fork
1660209;1495497606;asciilifeform;( do we have 1 per week yet ? )
1660210;1495497861;mircea_popescu;i read all about it on trilema like five years ago.
1660211;1495498063;asciilifeform;apparently https://archive.is/QjFEm is the latest snore.
1660212;1495498158;shinohai;We welcome all companies, miners, developers and users to join us and help prepare bitcoin for the future << heh
1660213;1495498360;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658001 <> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660203
1660214;1495498360;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 15:16 mircea_popescu: tell you what, if i wanted to put uncacheable pngs somewhere on the web, i'd have NOT needed 1k lines of six decimal place pt specifications nor inept matrices and their useless transforms.
1660215;1495498360;a111;Logged on 2017-05-22 23:38 mircea_popescu: i wonder if the 10th 9 in that latitude figure is correct, or was it really an 8.
1660216;1495498404;asciilifeform;gotta wonder if these come out of 'ints don't exist' js liquishitsoup
1660217;1495498412;mircea_popescu;every two bit tramp with a plan wants to prepare my pie for "the future".
1660218;1495498430;mircea_popescu;i am shocked by this impredictable turn of events. really, he who hasn't and wishes he had will talk of futurez ?
1660219;1495498438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite likely.
1660220;1495499584;mod6;evenin'
1660221;1495499595;shinohai;heya mod6
1660222;1495499859;mod6;how goes shinohai?
1660223;1495500245;shinohai;Not bad here, puttering about. How goes the lab tests?
1660224;1495500467;mod6;going well.
1660225;1495500497;mod6;re-doing the tests for FG1 and the first test of FG2.  Basically these were run prior to the 'fullblock' thread.
1660226;1495500509;mod6;!#s fullblock
1660227;1495500510;a111;9 results for "fullblock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fullblock
1660228;1495500557;mod6;should have them done within a few days.  then i gotta try to do some fg-anal.
1660229;1495501236;mircea_popescu;fg-anal sure has a dong to it.
1660230;1495501283;asciilifeform;watch out , pcb dun have rounded cornerz
1660231;1495501285;asciilifeform;gotta file'em
1660232;1495501309;asciilifeform;and pins, ow
1660233;1495501332;asciilifeform;i suppose one could pour the entire assembly into silicone...
1660234;1495501344;mod6;im not exactly sure what kinda anal.  might just put some stats in there to pull-together some of the info from all 15 tests.
1660235;1495501358;mod6;we'll see how it goes
1660236;1495501440;asciilifeform;asciilifeform used 'dieharder' to reject a handful of screamingly defective analogue units , but currently isn't sure that it's good for much re a ~working~ one
1660237;1495501568;asciilifeform;( the grade outputted by the 'hungrier' tests appears to be in direct proportion to sample size, and very little else; and FG, /dev/urandom, various fashionable prng, intel's mysterymeatrng, and several others, all exhibit same effect, 100% pass begins somewhere b/w 1-3GB sample size. )
1660238;1495501608;asciilifeform;the idiotic 'looping' cannot (afaik) be switched off. (yes i could patch the src but the result will be a nonstandard tester )
1660239;1495501671;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647896 thread. )
1660240;1495501671;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 01:39 asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
1660241;1495502907;mod6;yeah
1660242;1495502941;mod6;I might just end up writing a page that links all the ent/dieharder results.
1660243;1495502948;mod6;i dunno yet; but it'll be something
1660244;1495503027;mod6;re http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/v_tickets.html << 1, 2, 3 are certainly complete.
1660245;1495503035;mod6;will be removing these.
1660246;1495503188;shinohai;`t` has proved useful as well, just for personal recor-keeping
1660247;1495503197;shinohai;*record
1660248;1495503215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is insoluble and dieharder/ent/etc are fundamentally braindamaged. there's no way to avoid the "give it a large enough sample it'll show 100%" problem specifically because there's no such thing as random bitstream.
1660249;1495503222;mod6;yeah, was thinking heavily about the new version lastnight. need to get some work into that yet.
1660250;1495503245;mod6;mircea_popescu: werd
1660251;1495503272;mod6;!%r v 2
1660252;1495503301;mod6;!%r v 3
1660253;1495503334;mod6;!%r v 1
1660254;1495503391;mircea_popescu;moreover, even something as simple as "discern if bitstream X is a linear function with an irrational parameter" is beyond what can be established.
1660255;1495503419;mircea_popescu;can trivially show this is weaker than " return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction".
1660256;1495503441;mod6;%!e v 4 T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
1660257;1495503466;mod6;gah
1660258;1495503479;mod6;!%e v 4 T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
1660259;1495503602;mod6;!%e v 5 T "Publish V-Genesis" "Publish V-Genesis post 99994 release."
1660260;1495504111;mircea_popescu;because i've had it explaining this in private : yes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659420 goes to 1. for the same money, f(x) = 1/n^x  g(x) = 1/x converge to 1/n, which is any arbitrary value (including 0 when n=x so f(x) = 1/x^x. nfi why this isn't evident, but anyway.
1660261;1495504111;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 20:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, to humor you and with absolutely no dispositive intent : let f(x) = 1/x ; let g(x) = 1/x*2. let x ->n. 0**0 = 1 implies x -> 1 when x->n.
1660262;1495505544;shinohai;"Facebook will also allow people to livestream attempts to self-harm because it ‘doesn’t want to censor or punish people in distress’, it added." http://archive.is/AJNoW
1660263;1495505559;shinohai;Facebook respects YOUR right to An Hero
1660264;1495507255;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660248 << this ain't the problem -- already right off the bat , sane operator knows that it is physically impossible to test for ~good~ rng, only for ~bad rng~
1660265;1495507255;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 01:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is insoluble and dieharder/ent/etc are fundamentally braindamaged. there's no way to avoid the "give it a large enough sample it'll show 100%" problem specifically because there's no such thing as random bitstream.
1660266;1495507263;mircea_popescu;i keep waiting for one of these actually doing it properly : rubbing self with thyme and stuffing bacon in the cuts.
1660267;1495507265;mircea_popescu;mmm.
1660268;1495507280;asciilifeform;per dijkstra's 'testing can demonstrate the presence of bugs, but never their absence'
1660269;1495507296;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform otherwise, the presence of "whitening" is conversely the statement of the impossibility of proper "ent"
1660270;1495507303;asciilifeform;aha
1660271;1495507340;asciilifeform;whitening == gluing petrol tank gauge to 'full'
1660272;1495507542;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660255 << again, nobody (rather, not asciilifeform) asked for general case -- it is provably impossible (see chaitin)
1660273;1495507542;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 01:36 mircea_popescu: can trivially show this is weaker than " return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction".
1660274;1495507563;asciilifeform;but to display ~existing~ test failures in predictor-algorithm form
1660275;1495507588;asciilifeform;and any test that cannot be formulated in this way -- is rubbish and oughta go away
1660276;1495507627;mircea_popescu;the problem is thge swet of possibly existing failures is transfinite or some shit
1660277;1495507635;mircea_popescu;necessarily no test can be formulated.
1660278;1495507639;mircea_popescu;as per goedel.
1660279;1495507674;asciilifeform;let's take concrete example -- if i make a rubbish rng that leads 'ent' to conclude that pi == 4
1660280;1495507717;asciilifeform;this can be restated as a better-than-chance predictor of n-th bit of stream.
1660281;1495507750;mircea_popescu;sure.
1660282;1495507763;mircea_popescu;but this is not what you're asking, for a test that sometimes finds something, is it.
1660283;1495507775;asciilifeform;actually it was !
1660284;1495507782;mircea_popescu;ah, i misunderstood.
1660285;1495507798;asciilifeform;dieharder etc oughta output f(n) = $guess
1660286;1495507810;mircea_popescu;no see, now you made it in the general again.
1660287;1495507820;mircea_popescu;do you want it to miss most cases, or do you want it to not miss most cases ?
1660288;1495507829;asciilifeform;( with $guess being some particular algebraic )
1660289;1495507846;asciilifeform;this is not about the tests, but the output of same
1660290;1495507866;asciilifeform;let's take a painfully pedantic example:
1660291;1495507869;mircea_popescu;again, irrational numbers are the problem. pix+e is not "algebraic" in this sense.
1660292;1495507885;asciilifeform;say an rng fails the 'birthdays' test.
1660293;1495507908;asciilifeform;because the output byte is never ever 0xaa .
1660294;1495507925;asciilifeform;so we get a sadness equation:
1660295;1495507987;mircea_popescu;i suppose distributions is the sane way to go about this. study if taking byte as 3 gives uneven distribution as opposed to taking byte as 8, say.
1660296;1495507999;asciilifeform;f(n) = random(0..a9 + ab..ff)
1660297;1495508016;asciilifeform;(let's accept this range-with-hole notation.)
1660298;1495508068;asciilifeform;my original contention is that any test which, upon 'failure', cannot produce a sadness equation, is ill-conceived.
1660299;1495508092;mircea_popescu;in this sense ~all of the dieharder tests do produce one implicitly.
1660300;1495508100;asciilifeform;aha!
1660301;1495508111;mircea_popescu;chi squares or w/e, monte carlo etc
1660302;1495508148;asciilifeform;right. output ought be a 'hey schmuck, if you use this rng, i can predict, like-so...'
1660303;1495508235;mircea_popescu;the problem hgere is : you are guarding the wife's door rather than her cunt. she dun need to use the door.
1660304;1495508255;mircea_popescu;it's so easy to make perfectly balanced faux entropy, only some very inept usg-ians would use anything else.
1660305;1495508259;mircea_popescu;very low standard/
1660306;1495508263;asciilifeform;so next step is: once we have a sadness equation, you can take it and test its guess rate vs expected value, with new output sample.
1660307;1495508309;asciilifeform;and yes, this is still same old tests, nothing magically different about them, there will ~never~ be a mechanical test for 'good rng'
1660308;1495508322;asciilifeform;because it is not an arithmetic attribute .
1660309;1495508356;asciilifeform;but function of rng AND enemy. (see ancient thread, 2014ish iirc)
1660310;1495508480;asciilifeform;however there is a number of tests-for-broken-rng. my idea was strictly re an algo for how to measure their actual relevance .
1660311;1495508514;asciilifeform;( what delta over random stab in the dark does the supposed predictor give the enemy . )
1660312;1495508589;asciilifeform;tests as we have them now are useful because they can reveal 'organic' damage or misdesign, e.g. stuck bits. rather than malfeasance.
1660313;1495508604;asciilifeform;brb
1660314;1495509450;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ITS constituents!
1660315;1495509493;BingoBoingo;tyvm fixed
1660316;1495509508;asciilifeform;the 'formulate as predictor' came from asciilifeform's ongoing regular stabs at breaking shitoshi's rng.
1660317;1495509547;mircea_popescu;the sort of thing one's not well advised to stop trying even should he succeed.
1660318;1495509593;asciilifeform;aha, like all 'tests reveal presence, never absence..'
1660319;1495509610;mircea_popescu;no, moreover, because stopping;'s suspicious.
1660320;1495509659;asciilifeform;i wonder who else ever even mentioned subj publicly.
1660321;1495509671;mircea_popescu;people on tardstalk.
1660322;1495509963;asciilifeform;do they still even nao?
1660323;1495510148;asciilifeform;and, supposing they do not : was the stopping - suspicious..?
1660324;1495510293;mircea_popescu;lol
1660325;1495510320;mircea_popescu;the stopping of talking in the tardsgroup is never suspicious. they talk at the margins, as per the "gotta say unsaid things" heuristic.
1660326;1495510761;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << regarding alf's suggestion here, is there any objection to adding this log link to ticket: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6
1660327;1495510761;a111;Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' :
1660328;1495510921;mircea_popescu;might not want to anchor prototype / example implementations too deeply too soon ; but that has ntohing to do with linking.
1660329;1495511065;mod6;*nod* sounds good.
1660330;1495511124;mod6;re: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#1 << this one seems to be resolved with the use of -lows.  I hesitate to remove the ticket, but a link to the patch might be worthwhile here.
1660331;1495511378;mod6;!%a trb C "Move the deps folder"  "Move trb deps directory which contains frozen artifacts outside of the bitcoin project directory.  This will avoid unwanted removal of artifacts upon a `make clean`."
1660332;1495511688;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski ben_vulpes and other vehicular inclined lords, do you have any thoughts on 2-wheeled transporters?
1660333;1495512320;mod6;wear a helmet
1660334;1495512333;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660326 << mod6 , i have adatronic block/tx parser, reencoder, done, mmaptron also! but put on hold to finish 'p' (aka 'tmsr rsa')
1660335;1495512333;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 03:39 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << regarding alf's suggestion here, is there any objection to adding this log link to ticket: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6
1660336;1495512487;mod6;ahh, ok. thats great news asciilifeform. just stick to what you're doing, all in good time.
1660337;1495512548;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660325 << fwiw and ftr i've spent ~0 brain cycles considering what to do if i break it, it is not imho likely. but learned a few things in the process.
1660338;1495512548;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 03:32 mircea_popescu: the stopping of talking in the tardsgroup is never suspicious. they talk at the margins, as per the "gotta say unsaid things" heuristic.
1660339;1495512696;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/333C19AC9348F53C27837C569881785696438308692D38352707CFB97411E521 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1406...3867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.231.211.119 (ssh-rsa key from 79.231.211.119 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (p4FE7D377.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE)
1660340;1495512696;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/333C19AC9348F53C27837C569881785696438308692D38352707CFB97411E521 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1445...4773 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.231.211.119 (ssh-rsa key from 79.231.211.119 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (p4FE7D377.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE)
1660341;1495515013;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: motorless is preferable. makes for stronger legs and leaves more skin attached to body.
1660342;1495515238;BingoBoingo;<mod6> wear a helmet << plan for at least first 10 kilomiles
1660343;1495515266;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But motorless doesn't sound like enraged lawnmower
1660344;1495515865;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: that's why you put in headphones for maximum soundtrack. you can then listen to anything in the world other than the pissed cars and pedestrians flipping you off after you cut them off
1660345;1495515910;BingoBoingo;That doesn't sound much like oppressing others
1660346;1495515919;pete_dushenski;motorless also has the advantage of being immune to road laws. it's like having diplomatic immunity
1660347;1495516023;pete_dushenski;not quite http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654485 levels but you can at least run reds.
1660348;1495516023;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 15:40 mircea_popescu: let me point out that a) i visited, when i felt like ; b) they gave me a 10 year visa back in 2000. i was one of the i dunno, maybe dozen romanians with one, at the time ? c) they fucking held the embassy open while my driver was going 100 on the wrong way in bucharest because i met some friends and got to drinking and we lost track of time and we were late. eventually got a police escort to do it under color of law at least,
1660349;1495516188;pete_dushenski;as an aside, this mircea_popescu retelling blows my feeble canadian mind no matter how many times i read it. i'm not sure there's been a single person in the history of this great arable land that's had an impromptu motorcade like that.
1660350;1495516252;mircea_popescu;joining nato utterly ruined the place.
1660351;1495516263;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: is motorhelmet not required by law in mo ? or what happens after first 10 kilomiles ?
1660352;1495516287;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: guess so
1660353;1495516417;pete_dushenski;in other quantifiable tragedies, these are allegedly the quants who 'run wall street'. seriously sorry lot : https://archive.is/HU2Nn/dfc7e5f98f4d716186ceb87157295d37c231f5cb.jpg
1660354;1495516464;pete_dushenski;via http://archive.is/HU2Nn
1660355;1495516609;*;pete_dushenski is also researching helmet requirements. for track use, however.
1660356;1495516623;pete_dushenski;spring is in the air!
1660357;1495516689;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: elaborate on 'few things'?
1660358;1495516756;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: very bad for the micromorts
1660359;1495516765;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: not required anywhere really, most helmet laws have been repealed
1660360;1495516809;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Seems excellent on micromorts, introduces some macromort opportunities
1660361;1495516841;ben_vulpes;i roll my eyes at you sir
1660362;1495516899;ben_vulpes;in other wats, the solar battery tender i bought from ebay showed up today, fulfilled by amazon
1660363;1495516911;ben_vulpes;phone just went off, ebay wants me to know that the tender has shipped
1660364;1495517261;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: yr looking to cut through traffic on 2 wheels or what
1660365;1495517321;pete_dushenski;http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/22/police-england-report-fatalities-ariana-grande-concert/ <--> "strongly dislike pop-anything - from fast food to television."
1660366;1495517356;pete_dushenski;all terrorists are alike i tells ya
1660367;1495517356;mircea_popescu;i thought ariana grande was a model. she sings ?!
1660368;1495517383;pete_dushenski;the odd song at least
1660369;1495517435;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: tool around on back roads, fun in farm country, and intercontinental travel ability
1660370;1495517467;mircea_popescu;by your very loose... standards, latrine on cartwheels may qualify for "intercontinental travel ability"
1660371;1495517577;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: from experience, back roads have an absurdly high incidence of dipshits over the line in blind corners
1660372;1495517596;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Around here backroads don't have lines
1660373;1495517601;ben_vulpes;quittit
1660374;1495517605;ben_vulpes;you know what i mean
1660375;1495517617;mircea_popescu;the lines are optional neh ?
1660376;1495517631;BingoBoingo;Yes, thanks to "chipsealing"
1660377;1495517673;BingoBoingo;Anyways motorcycle seems like good way to practice steps 3 and 11
1660378;1495517686;pete_dushenski;i thought chips went with fish, not seals
1660379;1495517701;ben_vulpes;lol noshit
1660380;1495517714;ben_vulpes;in re steps
1660381;1495517723;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: read 'zen' ?
1660382;1495517729;ben_vulpes;although the only conscious contact yr gonna develop is your ass against the pavement
1660383;1495517735;ben_vulpes;motorbikes are excellent toys
1660384;1495517780;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: You do know they have 31337 ass armor nao?
1660385;1495517803;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: trip report!
1660386;1495517809;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: One can only have so much fun meditating
1660387;1495517843;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: why not buy a shitty amcar from the nineties and practice drifting around those curves
1660388;1495517845;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Well, still in information gathering phase, hence consulting esteemed lords
1660389;1495517879;ben_vulpes;at least the inevitable pebkac is less likely to be lethal in that case
1660390;1495517897;ben_vulpes;and i've been having such a good time reading qntra of late
1660391;1495518095;ben_vulpes;oh subject of, BingoBoingo, "was heckled for being himself insufficiently vulgar language towards..."
1660392;1495518114;ben_vulpes;surely you do not mean to imply that someone was heckling him for being vulgar language incarnate
1660393;1495518125;ben_vulpes;and insufficiently so at that
1660394;1495518157;BingoBoingo;ty ben_vulpes fxd
1660395;1495518160;ben_vulpes;mhm
1660396;1495521895;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1660397;1495521902;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2148.24, vol: 15616.18604563 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2170.0, vol: 15388.07427 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2122.1, vol: 53340.27299974 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2192.462451, vol: 25598.38300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2140.052, vol: 9718.07000306 | Volume-weighted last average: 2148.1813463
1660398;1495538784;shinohai;!~step.3
1660399;1495538784;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "step.3" is not a valid command.
1660400;1495538808;shinohai;!~step3
1660401;1495538808;jhvh1;3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
1660402;1495538811;shinohai;!~step4
1660403;1495538811;jhvh1;4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
1660404;1495541734;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo I also need lordly advice, what was the name for the whoreticulture blog you came up with?
1660405;1495541734;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1660406;1495544589;*;trinque hearing meatwot L2 derps becoming aware of bitcoin. which indicator is that again?
1660407;1495544761;mircea_popescu;this is good for fiat!
1660408;1495544777;trinque;must be, lol.
1660409;1495544855;mircea_popescu;it's so fucking amusing to me, how derps always pretend like they got all the optionality and all the time in the world. hurr durr i'm some random chick, almost hot, almost smart ? clearly i don't have to jump on this guy the moment i see him. nah, let time pass, let me "figure things out", he'll still be here. then get all butthurt when "that slut" did EXACTLY what subs shopuld be doing. "omg she just jumped on him started t
1660410;1495544855;mircea_popescu;hrowing her clothes off THAT SLUT!!!" orly ?
1660411;1495544910;mircea_popescu;and it goes the same everywhere. hurr durr i'm poor but i trhink i;m smart. and i want bitcoin. mp made eulora ? you knopw what ? i'll fuck around with nothing in particular, see what uppity tortilla is going, there's plenty of time. mp will be around forever!!1
1660412;1495544913;mircea_popescu;yes, he will, lol.
1660413;1495544931;mircea_popescu;oh, #trilema ? whatever, let me just finish "correcting" these wikipedia articles. #trilema can wait.
1660414;1495544946;mircea_popescu;suuure it can. and that total psychopath mp, how he beheads people for NO REASON!!!!
1660415;1495544950;mircea_popescu;they were just...!
1660416;1495545167;trinque;girl's a nanny to this derpy liberal fambly, shiftless dad says to breadwinner surgeon mother "something something web wallet oh also I have this shitty antminer". mother immediately asks "how will they tax it though". girl asks whether he actually holds the private keys, rolls eyes.
1660417;1495545171;trinque;makes me proud.
1660418;1495545184;mircea_popescu;lel
1660419;1495545439;diana_coman;lol, it's ok; argentinians are/have been -happily! - waiting as well and they will keep at it indefinitely, what
1660420;1495545478;mircea_popescu;that process has turned a country which cca 1950 was in the top 5, ABOVE CANADA, into something struggling to not be overtaken by the gabon.
1660421;1495545492;mircea_popescu;and there is no rhetorical flourish in the above ; it is exact and correctly descriptive.
1660422;1495545529;mircea_popescu;for as long as your antecessors accumulated fat lasts, you can pretend. after which, welcome to jobbagy, and complain to my asshole about "the unfairness of it all".
1660423;1495545529;diana_coman;it's ok, I hear they got now a CS conference in Buenos Aires and they get therefore to steal participants' laptops,it's all a craze
1660424;1495545543;mircea_popescu;lel. you ever seen those fucks at a conference btw ?
1660425;1495545558;mircea_popescu;total romania 1990, they attempt to steal the mic to talk about themselves.
1660426;1495545568;trinque;I can't imagine it's unlike the pretenders at this or that javascript con
1660427;1495545569;mircea_popescu;they got this narrative, that gotta be spun, that's the public activity.
1660428;1495545577;*;diana_coman has recently been under a bit of avalanche of pictures from latest ICSE in Buenos Aires and she's SO HAPPY to not be there
1660429;1495545592;mircea_popescu;exactly where ustards will end up. already are, what with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660148
1660430;1495545592;a111;Logged on 2017-05-22 17:44 asciilifeform: umd puts out a 'newspaper', also. at one time it was ~readable if a snore. today -- ~100% 'ohnoez campusrape, moarfunding'
1660431;1495545599;mircea_popescu;you remember what i'm talking about, i'm sure.
1660432;1495545604;diana_coman;and all the "they stole my laptop" "they entered conference rooms and tried to steal a laptop"
1660433;1495545622;diana_coman;ah yes; and fwiw it's anyway still live and well in Ro as well
1660434;1495545631;mircea_popescu;heh.
1660435;1495545663;mircea_popescu;trinque it's somewhat unlike, in that it's a very specific stupidity, alligned, coherent. SASER if you will.
1660436;1495545682;mircea_popescu;literally, there's some words in pre-glued structures that must be emitted with specified frequency or they get uncomfortable.
1660437;1495545691;mircea_popescu;like chickens going prrrrr prrrr in their coop at night.
1660438;1495545693;trinque;tribal chants eh?
1660439;1495545696;mircea_popescu;yep.
1660440;1495545821;mircea_popescu;anyway, working great for them, soberania & argentina no es un pais pobre ftw. meanwhile they ain't got two empanadas to rub together and uni profs are buying socks on credit.
1660441;1495545920;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> for as long as your antecessors accumulated fat lasts, you can pretend. after which, welcome to jobbagy, and complain to my asshole about "the unfairness of it all". <- well, fat of ancestors can only be eaten/spent, but not sustained without own muscle; so basically it makes sense: they are searching for their own *real* level/position as downwards as that might be; not as if they are aware of it or need be, bu
1660442;1495545920;diana_coman;t that's how it goes
1660443;1495545925;mod6;mornin'
1660444;1495545932;diana_coman;morning mod6
1660445;1495545936;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1660446;1495545946;mod6;how's it goin diana_coman?
1660447;1495545979;diana_coman;quite well,thanks; fighting the swamps of planeshit as usual these days
1660448;1495545998;mircea_popescu;ALSO a fine example of the whole "happy while in denial"
1660449;1495545999;*;diana_coman will be really happy when those are finally drained
1660450;1495546025;mod6;yeah.  it sounds awful.
1660451;1495546040;diana_coman;in denial of what? they are happy because they are on the road to where they need to be; they don't know it/acknowledge it,so what difference does that make?
1660452;1495546044;trinque;I dunno that so much agency is involved, though. These are the descendents of empty creatures that used to be animated by the flow of will from their owners.
1660453;1495546055;trinque;well in the argie case, mixed with indigenous whatever, I guess.
1660454;1495546125;mircea_popescu;diana_coman evidently.
1660455;1495546168;mircea_popescu;trinque very much indigenous. see rosas, for instance. guy is EXACTLY a "bad tyrant" by the "our democracy" bestiary ; was ELECTED. with genuine majority.
1660456;1495546179;mircea_popescu;by a people who had their head screwed on right.
1660457;1495546233;mircea_popescu;only known similar example being soviet union. stalin - also elected. except rosas didn't actually behead his own lieutenants or all thje rest of the nonsense associated with stalinism. which is why they never fucking mention him.
1660458;1495546236;trinque;might be racis, but the more tribal types always end up 1) out-fucking and 2) opting for dr prince james ibonga
1660459;1495546311;mircea_popescu;im not sure there is such a thing as a tribal type. basically any group of hucows has some humans and some cows mixed in. what you call "tribal types" is where cows are biologically dominant. cultivate the population for a few generations, it's just as capable to northern italy 15cento as northern italy itself. which, if you decultivate for a few generations...etc.
1660460;1495546347;mircea_popescu;the interplay between biological (ie, headcount) and political (ie, powerspeech count) domination in the hucow herd is ~the whole of history, anthropology, sociology etc.
1660461;1495546371;trinque;aha, totally agree. was groping for same with "animated by will of superiors"
1660462;1495546377;mircea_popescu;aha.
1660463;1495546399;mircea_popescu;so it's rather nonsensical to say "blacks are dumb". if you spend a century killing the humans, you'll be left with mostly cows.
1660464;1495546413;mircea_popescu;kinda what the russians were trying to do to the polish, re katyn etc.
1660465;1495546419;mircea_popescu;smarter than zee germanz.
1660466;1495546454;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a reason every army prefers the enemy kill its infantry than it's officers -- and it's also how war improves the population.
1660467;1495546461;trinque;a great aunt of mine, from oldschool italian family of some note, said to my mother "The air here is toxic to family."
1660468;1495546467;trinque;not speaking there of the anglo notion of fambly
1660469;1495546483;mircea_popescu;the only problem with such improvement is that the notion that "we shouldn't hafta die" becomes universal and then therefore...
1660470;1495546500;trinque;maybe why I give too much weight to the biological; italians are racist as hell after all
1660471;1495546510;trinque;were anyway, no such thing as italians here now
1660472;1495546511;mircea_popescu;trinque aha! quite very much http://trilema.com/house-of-strangers
1660473;1495546528;mircea_popescu;show it to your grandmother, she might appreciate.
1660474;1495546533;trinque;dead
1660475;1495546550;trinque;the lady I'm speaking of; grandfather would be the related one
1660476;1495546564;mircea_popescu;well, if you see her.
1660477;1495546702;*;trinque will have to check out
1660478;1495546803;asciilifeform;trinque: biologically -- at least to naked eye -- ar folx are entirely european
1660479;1495546819;trinque;I recall the smell of tragedy around the italian side of family; it was the gnarled vestige of something that would claim lineage back to old mancinus
1660480;1495546820;asciilifeform;at least in the capital
1660481;1495546846;mircea_popescu;ukrs, also.
1660482;1495546851;asciilifeform;aha
1660483;1495546865;mircea_popescu;fuck, the chinese are starting to look european from behind.
1660484;1495546882;trinque;successive compromises, gotta leave italy because lets not die in the street with mussolini, gotta leave new england because hierarchy is illegal, lets just wither here on this beach.
1660485;1495546883;*;mircea_popescu suspects "looking european" is simply a placeholder for "looking like your entire fambly didn't starve since the day it was invented"
1660486;1495546910;mircea_popescu;trinque should have gone to mexico. hierarchy does fine.
1660487;1495546919;trinque;aha. didn't, and *entirely their fault*
1660488;1495546934;mircea_popescu;nfi why the italians went to the us and to argentina, the socialist shitholes at the two ends of the continent.
1660489;1495546935;trinque;I cannot believe the fucking squander
1660490;1495546945;asciilifeform;btw why mircea_popescu not in mexico ?
1660491;1495546968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am a being of ~pure energy, my presence is chiefly nonphysical!
1660492;1495546977;mircea_popescu;i like the weather here, what.
1660493;1495546992;asciilifeform;lolk
1660494;1495547023;mircea_popescu;+ticas tetonas. wtf, mexicans. i can buy saddlebags at the store.
1660495;1495547148;trinque;asciilifeform: if considered earnestly I have to blame the clown-suit socialism and decadent descendents
1660496;1495547161;trinque;though if danielpbarron's version caught on I'd much prefer that to teh alternatives
1660497;1495547223;trinque;unbelievable rot flows out of this place "lakeway church" nearby, literally "give us your money and god will... like... manifest you some more"
1660498;1495547226;mircea_popescu;tbh, cca 1880 it'd have been rather hard to predict us will simply check out, let the dumbest of the dumb handle affairs for a century.
1660499;1495547251;trinque;path runs straight through all those idiot christian revivals
1660500;1495547257;mircea_popescu;the unholy alliance of neoprotestant old men + bored housewives. horrible.
1660501;1495547278;mircea_popescu;trinque quite so. the men permitted the women to betray the house of their master for "the house of the lord".
1660502;1495547289;mircea_popescu;beyond fucking scandalous. should have whipped them face to face.
1660503;1495547349;trinque;indeed, the way these women speak of Teh Lord is fraught with perverse sexuality. modern male cuck is her beloved son.
1660504;1495547357;mircea_popescu;quite.
1660505;1495547367;mircea_popescu;fucking mary complex.
1660506;1495547698;mircea_popescu;i suppose the retrospective correct analysis is, 1. you get a bunch of elite people get together (everyone who made the trip was elite -- else they couldn't afford the significant proceedings ; this includes the slaves, for the same reason -- if they weren't 10s nobody'd have taken them across and that's what in africa cca then it meant to be elite) ; 2. they have no way to communicate, for lack of language (because language
1660507;1495547698;mircea_popescu;is very much http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 ). consequently a situation of "whoever forges common language first wins" and so therefore 4. idiotic derpage "bible" crap won BECAUSE it was the ~only common ground.
1660508;1495547698;a111;Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
1660509;1495547726;mircea_popescu;if this does not prove bible is a poisonous, anti-human text which one follows to his perdition, nothing does.
1660510;1495547777;asciilifeform;the plantators were , by all indications, aware of this
1660511;1495547797;mircea_popescu;obviously the elite christian response would be to point out that the basis of unholy communion was in no sense the holy writ, but merely what every language recalled of it, which is to say they distilled all the holy out of the writ.
1660512;1495547827;mircea_popescu;perhaps. nevertheless... unreliable item. (which is exactly catholic doctrine : "follow bible without priest, you'll go straight to hell in handbasked". it sounds absurd but then again it's lived history.)
1660513;1495547838;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mebbe.
1660514;1495547854;mircea_popescu;but just as whiskey was indian's bible, so was bible imigrants' whiskey.
1660515;1495547862;trinque;I take in danielpbarron's, when he speaks of it, that it is a knotted rope with which he beats himself. the other folks babbling about it, it's a damned gold star of "I am god's child"
1660516;1495547866;mircea_popescu;actual alcohol couldn't have gotten them, caucasians are used to it.
1660517;1495547937;trinque;former's sort of an odd "I will wear weighted clothing and thus be stronger"... the "forgiveness of sin" thing I suppose lets one take the weights off time to time.
1660518;1495547984;trinque;I can also see the wisdom in seeing oneself as by nature, a lying sack of shit, requiring discipline to forge a human from the clay.
1660519;1495547995;trinque;none of this is present in Christ (TM)
1660520;1495548086;mircea_popescu;people are born quite dirty, what can you do. gotta wash all the guts, mucus and shit off somehow.
1660521;1495548108;asciilifeform;related lulz, https://archive.is/QmdqD
1660522;1495548162;mircea_popescu;18yo ?
1660523;1495548179;asciilifeform;'Arthurs said all of them shared neo-Nazi beliefs but he later converted to Islam and killed the roommates because they disrespected his faith'
1660524;1495548195;mircea_popescu;lol ahahaha. "Arthurs said all of them shared neo-Nazi beliefs but he later converted to Islam and killed the roommates because they disrespected his faith, the report states."
1660525;1495548197;mircea_popescu;lol!
1660526;1495548210;mircea_popescu;check that out islamneonazi. alakhu snackbar!
1660527;1495548288;trinque;> his muslim countries
1660528;1495548293;trinque;bahaha
1660529;1495548302;trinque;god the kids are bored today.
1660530;1495548324;mircea_popescu;country of africa (good) ; country of muslim (neonazi) ; country of russia (spies) ; country of china (daddy!) ; country of our democracy.
1660531;1495548336;mircea_popescu;the five provinces of the world. wu shu or w/e it';s called.
1660532;1495549028;mircea_popescu;for instance : the reason for eg, "trump is nazi" narrative is possibly mostly based on the observation that country of russia bothers and disturbs country of our democracy just like country of muslim bothers and disturbs the good country of africa and therefore the russians must be nazis and probably the muslims are also spies! notwithstanding that they have serious problems with comprehending basic crypto etc. trump must be
1660533;1495549028;mircea_popescu; a nazi because reasoning through simile!
1660534;1495549104;mircea_popescu;which is the true boon of democracy : if everyone must be a people because they look kinda like one, then everything must be something else because it vaguely looks like it, and welcome to the dark ages.
1660535;1495549308;asciilifeform;but where will the cynocephali live
1660536;1495549810;mircea_popescu;there is no room for cynocephaly in modern world!
1660537;1495550250;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660423 << lol, moar rms ?
1660538;1495550250;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 13:18 diana_coman: it's ok, I hear they got now a CS conference in Buenos Aires and they get therefore to steal participants' laptops,it's all a craze
1660539;1495550271;asciilifeform;( famously, d00d lost his now-unobtainable 'loonson' box this way )
1660540;1495550277;asciilifeform;*loongson
1660541;1495550314;diana_coman;ahahah, perhaps they'll have a special conf session re moar rms ppl!
1660542;1495550332;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-11#1049087 << see also
1660543;1495550332;a111;Logged on 2015-03-11 18:38 ascii_field: http://www.devthought.com/2012/06/09/richard-stallman-robbed-in-argentina << vintage lulz
1660544;1495550404;diana_coman;they were distributing some staff from canada's travel recommendations re "stay safe in argentina" for some reason; apparently some "laptop-stealing exercises" were quite well-planned as in 2-3 people, goop on the target's backpack, "helping" etc
1660545;1495550410;mircea_popescu;in other random bounties of the sexual fronteer : http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/1946329/details.htm
1660546;1495550433;mircea_popescu;chick has a skype, AND a tox thing (it's in the logs) AND a "ricochet" item which i never saw before but seems to make some tall claims.
1660547;1495550439;mircea_popescu;if anyone feels like investigating.
1660548;1495550506;asciilifeform;'Whether it's corporations or governments, digital surveillance today is widespread. Tox is easy-to-use software that connects you with friends and family without anyone else listening in. ' << lol!!
1660549;1495550512;asciilifeform;yet another multicolourphone!!
1660550;1495550520;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you know, ~everyone there wears their rucksacks in front like total fucking retards (the REASON that type of bag was invented by zee germanz, and the reason it became popular esp for schoolkids, is that it leverages the weight to improve posture. IF you weart it correctly.)
1660551;1495550532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not tox, the other one. tox we already lulzed at.
1660552;1495550554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the linked piece cites 'qtox'
1660553;1495550556;asciilifeform;so, it.
1660554;1495550560;mircea_popescu;...
1660555;1495550580;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that must be the "solution" argentine style: they can't steal it now nananana
1660556;1495550585;asciilifeform;'qTox: 93C0DEFA0C017B9DF3EEA.........'
1660557;1495550591;mircea_popescu;aaand ?
1660558;1495550599;mircea_popescu;if we scropll down a leetal ?
1660559;1495550637;asciilifeform;black text, 'toilet, prisoner,non consensual, kidnap, chained, caged, urinal, piss, spit, suck, slave, capture, bondage, extreme, abuse, sex, sexual, animal, pig,  sub-human, subhuman, inferior, lick, mouth, pathetic, bitch, stupid, worthless, snuff, obedience, loyalty, dog, fun, pleasure, service, servitude, b&d, s&m, knine,submission, slave, sub.'
1660560;1495550647;asciilifeform;is all i get
1660561;1495550695;mircea_popescu;no ricochet:w3crim4z7vd4yskd on your page ?
1660562;1495550705;asciilifeform;well yes, but that's a scroll-UP
1660563;1495550724;asciilifeform;( are the arrows reversed on mircea_popescu's planet.. )
1660564;1495550732;mircea_popescu;check him out, i give him the string to grep, he doesn't, then wants me to control his viewport.
1660565;1495550781;asciilifeform;perplexed by 'scroll down', lol
1660566;1495550789;mircea_popescu;it's shorthand for look deeper!
1660567;1495550792;asciilifeform;but yes , 2 crackpot faux-ircs
1660568;1495550806;mircea_popescu;did you look into anything or just being perplexed.
1660569;1495550813;asciilifeform;( to asciilifeform , 'ricochet' is still that ancient modem thing )
1660570;1495550835;*;asciilifeform looks...
1660571;1495550836;asciilifeform;'Ricochet uses the Tor network to reach your contacts without relying on messaging servers. It creates a hidden service, which is used to rendezvous with your contacts without revealing your location or IP address.'
1660572;1495550840;asciilifeform;lol.
1660573;1495550841;mircea_popescu;seems a sort of gossipd-over-tor
1660574;1495550854;asciilifeform;onion, no less
1660575;1495550856;asciilifeform;a la sr.
1660576;1495550875;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/blob/master/doc/design.md for archival
1660577;1495550970;asciilifeform;snoar
1660578;1495550995;mircea_popescu;we even had the dude's pgp.
1660579;1495551127;mircea_popescu;you're terrible.
1660580;1495551156;mircea_popescu;anyway, their contact scheme (summarized/cleanned up : cookie + pubkey + signature with same pubkey) is not terrible. uses rsa, which is a +.
1660581;1495551185;mircea_popescu;contact id based on pubkey, i have nfi why they think it dun leak metadata ; also no idea why they bundled tor in it.
1660582;1495551240;mircea_popescu;project seems well abandoned though.
1660583;1495553931;asciilifeform;lol, even tor used rsa
1660584;1495556139;BingoBoingo;shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-05#1622391
1660585;1495556139;a111;Logged on 2017-03-05 18:20 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Have you considered starting a something to get some editorial experience? Perhaps you can be the publisher of "The Most Serene Republic's Journal Of Gardening And Whoreticulture"?
1660586;1495556376;shinohai;Aha! That was it
1660587;1495557573;mod6;wb
1660588;1495557626;mircea_popescu;ty :)
1660589;1495558299;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/130677BB02BE2C83C98B0C3E1B00C45BB13A2FFF7FA624C2B2D4C7FCB3D115C3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1433...1037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.54.27.123 (ssh-rsa key from 209.54.27.123 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (209.54.27.123.threeriver.net. US NE)
1660590;1495558299;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/130677BB02BE2C83C98B0C3E1B00C45BB13A2FFF7FA624C2B2D4C7FCB3D115C3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1702...6917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.54.27.123 (ssh-rsa key from 209.54.27.123 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (209.54.27.123.threeriver.net. US NE)
1660591;1495558552;asciilifeform;in other lulphones, https://www.connect.im
1660592;1495558569;asciilifeform;fauxpgp, fauxwot, fauxwallet, all in 1!!
1660593;1495559012;Framedragger;heh they describe the key negotiation etc in sorta-detail on their website, which is probably *a first* https://www.connect.im/faqs?faq_category_id=5 i mean, don't use this, but it's refreshing to see this (in broken english no less lol)
1660594;1495559167;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the 'our code in github' link goes nowhere
1660595;1495559175;Framedragger;lol
1660596;1495559962;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF8C6925459B8C7F30E8CDBFCBE637E885CDF9DB48FF7D06DCB9DE2D86DCEDA8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1567...6787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.105.176.186 (ssh-rsa key from 200.105.176.186 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-200-105-176-186.acelerate.net. BO L)
1660597;1495559962;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF8C6925459B8C7F30E8CDBFCBE637E885CDF9DB48FF7D06DCB9DE2D86DCEDA8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...4829 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.105.176.186 (ssh-rsa key from 200.105.176.186 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-200-105-176-186.acelerate.net. BO L)
1660598;1495564528;asciilifeform;MEANWHILE!
1660599;1495564588;asciilifeform;compared performance of 'kindergarten' multiplier ( halfword at a time, uses machine's MUL instr. which apparently IS constant-time on x86 (but NOT on arm! would need test routine at warmup to establish if can use MUL ) )
1660600;1495564613;asciilifeform;halfword, rather than word, at a time, because of the idiocy of compilers, which LOSE the carry flag (see last 4 or so threads re subj)
1660601;1495564631;asciilifeform;so to get   X * Y -> product, carry
1660602;1495564652;asciilifeform;gotta split X and Y into half-words, and multiply a half-word at a time, into a word-sized space
1660603;1495564659;asciilifeform;and take upper half of THAT, as carry.
1660604;1495564676;asciilifeform;anyway this is substantially faster than ancient egyptian mul,
1660605;1495564710;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659223 turns into 0.35 s
1660606;1495564710;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 17:27 asciilifeform: 2048 bit : ~10s
1660607;1495564754;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 turns into 20.5s.
1660608;1495564754;a111;Logged on 2017-05-19 17:37 asciilifeform: 10 minutes.
1660609;1495565223;asciilifeform;after karatsubaization, this oughta become an actually manageable figure.
1660610;1495565254;asciilifeform;(20+s ~ordinary~ exponentiation is still a ~month-long rsa keygen)
1660611;1495566049;mod6;asciilifeform: ah!
1660612;1495566143;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660604 << unsurprising, also.
1660613;1495566143;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 18:37 asciilifeform: anyway this is substantially faster than ancient egyptian mul,
1660614;1495567480;asciilifeform;not surprising at all, 32x faster (for quite elementary reason)
1660615;1495567508;asciilifeform;entirely same thing, but crunches 32b (on 64b box) at a time, rather than 1
1660616;1495568299;ben_vulpes;btcalpha down
1660617;1495568304;ben_vulpes;rip mike_c
1660618;1495568426;mircea_popescu;sux.
1660619;1495568507;*;asciilifeform takes off hat.
1660620;1495568543;*;mod6 bows head
1660621;1495568551;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/s-a-furat-mireasa/ << Trilema - S-a furat mireasa
1660622;1495568579;*;shinohai makes trumpet noises with cheeks ...
1660623;1495568651;shinohai;I actually like trinque 's wot viewer better tho
1660624;1495568682;asciilifeform;aaaha, esp. the not-being-frozen-in-time aspect
1660625;1495568694;shinohai;^
1660626;1495569930;Framedragger;that's so crazy, literally ~5h ago i visited http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/panacea-opens-the-books/ through some link on trilema or somewhere
1660627;1495569933;Framedragger;rip :(
1660628;1495578356;ben_vulpes;someone broke the toilet i fixed
1660629;1495578364;ben_vulpes;this means WAR
1660630;1495578378;ben_vulpes;the pass-ag war of the toilets
1660631;1495578523;asciilifeform;where was this, ben_vulpes
1660632;1495578582;ben_vulpes;miserable pile of bricks in which i rent cubic feet for parking of butt while toiling in the mines
1660633;1495578774;Framedragger;sounds like bukowski "post office", just 100x less alcohol and more brain
1660634;1495578824;ben_vulpes;don't forget the pr0n
1660635;1495578883;trinque;y'all shooting porn in there now? artsy
1660636;1495578907;ben_vulpes;vault is brickly aesthetic and tittilating
1660637;1495578919;Framedragger;(here's a random good song with related title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHj0VBCP54)
1660638;1495579006;ben_vulpes;this is very...thumpy
1660639;1495579040;trinque;m'yeah, I always thought "computer music" was an invitation for *more* creative beat
1660640;1495579053;ben_vulpes;and boopy
1660641;1495579061;*;ben_vulpes frowns
1660642;1495579062;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHkUg-QCwk << ejemplo
1660643;1495579072;ben_vulpes;nah, i'm in a death metal and pilsner sort of mood
1660644;1495579423;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0NnWt/?raw=true
1660645;1495579423;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1660646;1495580483;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why are you so preoccupied with toilets, anyway
1660647;1495580595;ben_vulpes;it is a very /annoying/ and /present/ tell of how far this civilization has fallen.
1660648;1495580621;ben_vulpes;failure to maintain capital equipment, failure to give a shit about basic amenities you know working...
1660649;1495580640;mircea_popescu;in fairness i never met a 20something usian who could fix a toilet.
1660650;1495580784;ben_vulpes;yeah which is its own indictment of the place
1660651;1495580825;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who could ? or who ~would~ ?
1660652;1495580826;mircea_popescu;wait until i point out i've never met anyone under 30 who both spoke english and could properly butcher a goat.
1660653;1495580841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform could. i have this magic want which takes the "would" away.
1660654;1495580868;ben_vulpes;it's not just that nobody bothers to fix the toilets, it's that they literally /cannot/, would rather prattle on at city council about implementing new taxes to pay for urban community gardens to feed the poor kale or what the fuck ever eudaly wants to wank off to this week
1660655;1495580913;shinohai;Simple, we use our feces to fertilize garden and therefore need no toilets!
1660656;1495580920;mircea_popescu;glwt.
1660657;1495580935;mircea_popescu;i hear it made india fabulously wealthy.
1660658;1495580942;shinohai;hue
1660659;1495582227;phf;they totally would, like, you know, if they had to!
1660660;1495582261;asciilifeform;asciilifeform can't easily picture an adult man , with two hands, who could not fix toilet
1660661;1495582339;asciilifeform;on other hand, i've never owned an entire goat, so cannot claim to be first class goat cook.
1660662;1495582423;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever seen that great bunuel film, "the exterminating angel" ?
1660663;1495582438;asciilifeform;nein
1660664;1495582443;mircea_popescu;prior to modernity, one could also not easily picture adult man, with two legs, who could not leave the fucking room.
1660665;1495582463;mircea_popescu;but as it is, the problem'd be that their mental object for a toilet does NOT EVEN FUCKING HAVE THE OPENABLE PROPERTY.
1660666;1495582489;mircea_popescu;what fucking fix. they can't open it anymore than they can fuck the woman on the deserted island. "nobody to introduce us!!1"
1660667;1495582533;mircea_popescu;what, you thought http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-20#1659774 was a joke ? it was no fucking joke. the price of ipads is imbecility.
1660668;1495582533;a111;Logged on 2017-05-20 19:16 mircea_popescu: Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct".
1660669;1495582563;asciilifeform;by same logic price of toilet may very well be imbecility
1660670;1495582569;asciilifeform;('the answer lies in the sewers' !! )
1660671;1495582572;mircea_popescu;rather.
1660672;1495582594;mircea_popescu;or w/e, let's phrase it in ourdemocracy terms, "you don't need computers if you did nothing wrong" or however it went.
1660673;1495582640;mircea_popescu;if the toilet worked it wouldn't need fixing!
1660674;1495582721;asciilifeform;hey, dunlookatme, i reccfltube my eizos...
1660675;1495582733;asciilifeform;everything-has-openable-property
1660676;1495582760;*;asciilifeform read the selfappendectomy d00d's adventures with envious eye
1660677;1495582812;mircea_popescu;it's not so surprising that people who can't fix toilet buy intel chips. "Everyone else does!!1"
1660678;1495583408;ben_vulpes;holy shit
1660679;1495583413;ben_vulpes;chain was wrapped around arm
1660680;1495583416;mod6;what's a ballcock anyway?!!
1660681;1495583438;ben_vulpes;toilet bore a handy, nearly legible scribble, "do not use, broken. signed - janitor"
1660682;1495583537;ben_vulpes;astonishing degree of learned helplessness.
1660683;1495587866;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if this is a latrine you go to every day, put a chainless ballcock in it and be done with it
1660684;1495587898;asciilifeform;takes all of 20bux and 20min
1660685;1495588162;mod6;just pull up and drop anchor on their front lawn.
1660686;1495588821;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://www.topiaonline.com/
1660687;1495588827;mircea_popescu;preorder, seriously ?
1660688;1495588959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks like yet another mud
1660689;1495588979;mircea_popescu;looks more like yet another attempt at the "team" scam. see the pix.
1660690;1495589013;asciilifeform;lolyes
1660691;1495594601;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657550 << searching (to no avail!) for a non-es keyboard the other day, i ran into, and did a double-take of, a radio shack here in cr. i had no idea they'd even squeaked by. no liquidation here (yet?).
1660692;1495594601;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 20:48 asciilifeform: not only this: the very same ratshack actually died once (i went to the same liquidation sales, bought the furniture, etc) and then somehow came BACK from the grave, (no prizes for guessing how -- printolade) undead, to live for another 3y
1660693;1495594616;mircea_popescu;prolly just a license deal.
1660694;1495594635;mircea_popescu;most us corps sell their name to local operators in the third world where the peons still believe us > crap.
1660695;1495595019;asciilifeform;they have a handful of 'franchise' shops in usa also
1660696;1495595051;asciilifeform;these are still alive, but 1) get 0 new inventory, at least not from the old mothership 2) will be asked to change their name, if/when somebody buys the old one
1660697;1495595096;asciilifeform;hanbot: this is still lulzy given as i was quite certain that all foreign rat shacks used the brand 'tandy' and vanished in late '80s
1660698;1495595131;hanbot;there are six of 'em here, apparently
1660699;1495595140;asciilifeform;what's inside ?
1660700;1495595144;asciilifeform;can haz photo of 1 ?
1660701;1495595170;hanbot;sure, i'll snap one next i'm by there
1660702;1495595175;asciilifeform;ty hanbot
1660703;1495595384;asciilifeform;in mostly unrelated lulz, asciilifeform found that 1) most recent manufacture dates of batteries sold for classic thinkpads are all ~2013 2) mircea_popescu was unfortunately wrong, chinese LiIon cells have ~not~ improved, they have cheapened further still, expected useful life of a battery is ~year (less, with heavy use)
1660704;1495595424;asciilifeform;3) cheap (couplea hundy usd) tab-welders are shite
1660705;1495595458;asciilifeform;4) useful shelf life of a li-ion cell is <4y
1660706;1495595466;ben_vulpes;workstation uber alles
1660707;1495595485;asciilifeform;news at 11
1660708;1495595507;asciilifeform;'the territory is better than the map, but it won't fit in your glove compartment'
1660709;1495595555;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: problem child is the arm/chain assembly
1660710;1495595567;mircea_popescu;eh, get better suppliers. the chinese only sell the good shit to people who can curse in 4 syllables.
1660711;1495595567;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you can get ballcocks with 0 chain and 0 arm
1660712;1495595568;ben_vulpes;not the float
1660713;1495595587;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this thing attaches to the flush actuator?
1660714;1495595588;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i install these everywhere i move into
1660715;1495595590;asciilifeform;aha
1660716;1495595597;ben_vulpes;wonder of wonders
1660717;1495595612;asciilifeform;it comes with a bowden cable as actuator
1660718;1495595626;asciilifeform;and new flush knob to go with it, resembles bicycle brake
1660719;1495595644;asciilifeform;0 things to tangle inside tank.
1660720;1495595659;asciilifeform;the neatest imho aspect is that it works IN REVERSE also
1660721;1495595661;asciilifeform;can abort a flush.
1660722;1495595673;mircea_popescu;lol abortive flushing
1660723;1495595678;asciilifeform;(go and PUSH a chain, lol)
1660724;1495595679;ben_vulpes;this is the "400 cr"?
1660725;1495595689;asciilifeform;i have nfi who makes these where ben_vulpes lives
1660726;1495595698;asciilifeform;i have a generic chinese one
1660727;1495595700;ben_vulpes;i'm just paging through bezosmart
1660728;1495595763;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nope, that looks like a chain valve
1660729;1495595828;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: Danco HYR271T looks sorta like what i've here
1660730;1495595855;asciilifeform;( though mine has not so many parts )
1660731;1495595900;asciilifeform;ok, found mine, it's the FLT231T
1660732;1495595902;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^
1660733;1495595975;asciilifeform;be sure to lather the rubber throat with heavy plumber's grease when you put the thing in, or it'll eventually leak.
1660734;1495596004;asciilifeform;( it has this flexible throat thing so as to fit every possible tank arse )
1660735;1495596051;ben_vulpes;whoa christ
1660736;1495596056;ben_vulpes;i feel like mircea_popescu with the washing machine
1660737;1495596065;mircea_popescu;lol
1660738;1495596066;ben_vulpes;"finally! a sane design!"
1660739;1495596083;asciilifeform;oh and : bring a hacksaw, often ancient flush lever has the nut rusted solid, you will not be able to turn it out, gotta slice through the 'antikythera'
1660740;1495596091;ben_vulpes;ah yes
1660741;1495596116;ben_vulpes;although i have like three cans of the mighty blaster to get through
1660742;1495596124;ben_vulpes;ty asciilifeform
1660743;1495596125;asciilifeform;be aware, you ~will~ have to calibrate the float.
1660744;1495596133;asciilifeform;or you will get the dreaded double-gurgle
1660745;1495596160;asciilifeform;'tis indeed the 'gentoo of toilet valve'.
1660746;1495596172;ben_vulpes;"but once it boots...!"
1660747;1495596178;asciilifeform;aaaha.
1660748;1495596217;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what, incidentally, is 'the mighty blaster' ?
1660749;1495596309;ben_vulpes;the mighty penetrating blaster
1660750;1495596313;ben_vulpes;from blaster corp
1660751;1495596328;ben_vulpes;wd9000
1660752;1495596348;ben_vulpes;"P'Blaster"
1660753;1495596378;ben_vulpes;as in "child, the might blaster is for lubricating and unfreezing bolts, not eating"
1660754;1495596380;asciilifeform;dunno, my tank's lever nut was a veritable antikythera, wholly solid ball of rust.
1660755;1495596416;ben_vulpes;never hurts to apply blaster before hacksaw
1660756;1495596443;asciilifeform;incidentally, wtf is the reason why a ~public~ shitter even has a tank & ballcock
1660757;1495596448;asciilifeform;oughta have city pressure flush
1660758;1495596476;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ought complain to obummer.
1660759;1495596487;ben_vulpes;tis not public
1660760;1495596500;asciilifeform;hm i assumed it was, given the stories
1660761;1495596506;ben_vulpes;quite nearly, but no
1660762;1495596555;ben_vulpes;the orifice is on a floor that once housed train station and train company employees
1660763;1495596624;ben_vulpes;and insofar as the restrooms have keys, they are not public
1660764;1495596667;*;asciilifeform finds the history of the shitter a fascinating thing, in that it followed in same pattern as, e.g., small arms -- i.e. went through a peak of RIDICULOUS complexity before finally simplified into modern form.
1660765;1495596667;ben_vulpes;in other hilarities that archive.is doesn't do an entirely perfect job of archiving: http://archive.is/hPlfc
1660766;1495596712;ben_vulpes;(Alternatives To [sic]) White-Owned Appropriative Restaurants in Portland
1660767;1495596715;asciilifeform;consider the -- quite malodorous -- 'pan closet', for instance. >> https://archive.is/VstFy << mechanical, moving parts, touched -- and slowly accumulated -- shit
1660768;1495596726;ben_vulpes;i admired the nips' commitment to the handsfree experience when i visited
1660769;1495596731;asciilifeform;or in the other column, the maxim gun, dozens of small parts, like sewing machine
1660770;1495596758;asciilifeform;or in the third column, the comp, still in its maxim/luger/pancloset phase.
1660771;1495596811;asciilifeform;http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/43/main/3/81842.jpg << this is a 'bramah' shitter.
1660772;1495596836;asciilifeform;( 1700s ! but doesn't it look quite 'steampunk'... )
1660773;1495596878;asciilifeform;the key insight, to use water as the SOLE moving part inside the shit-contacting subunit of the device, took ~200y from the first 'water closets' of modern europe...
1660774;1495596966;asciilifeform;see also 'plumbing practice', j. w. clarke, 1888
1660775;1495597002;asciilifeform;https://archive.org/details/cu31924004127696 << believe or not
1660776;1495597028;asciilifeform;^ mega-b00k.
1660777;1495601499;BingoBoingo;!~later tell shinohai ty, published
1660778;1495601500;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1660779;1495601593;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/ << Qntra - Still No Consensus Supporting Bitcoin Hardfork – Barry Silbert Pretends Otherwise To His Peril
1660780;1495601635;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 4 -- loose
1660781;1495601673;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1660782;1495602418;mircea_popescu;that silbert schmuck is on his what, 5th "oh, i will change the world" hear him roar only to be used as a cum rag ?
1660783;1495602448;mircea_popescu;i suppose if you're going to be an ustardian empire spearhead, it helps to have no shame and no memory.
1660784;1495602688;BingoBoingo;And to not be spearhead, but Petrus branded spear sheath
1660785;1495602702;mircea_popescu;myeah
1660786;1495610634;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1660787;1495610640;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2320.26, vol: 15251.95166263 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2287.001, vol: 10267.24658 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2310.7, vol: 24441.24751909 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2319.857349, vol: 19171.30910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2290.001, vol: 8037.75254521 | Volume-weighted last average: 2309.55537833
1660788;1495610866;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-6-42-percent-for-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~6.42 Percent For Another All Time High
1660789;1495631342;asciilifeform;in other http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660095 lulz,   https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAhfSVJXsAA4uId.jpg
1660790;1495631342;a111;Logged on 2017-05-22 14:57 mircea_popescu: nah, uk leads the shitshow.
1660791;1495634117;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1D29A0A878115F4491A43E6C6E4AD444DD6EE3AD2A0AAFD586568D8BB34633B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1721...4413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '175.158.32.99 (ssh-rsa key from 175.158.32.99 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-175-158-32-99.cbn.net.id. ID JK)
1660792;1495634117;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1D29A0A878115F4491A43E6C6E4AD444DD6EE3AD2A0AAFD586568D8BB34633B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1447...1599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '175.158.32.99 (ssh-rsa key from 175.158.32.99 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-175-158-32-99.cbn.net.id. ID JK)
1660793;1495639732;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660775 << lovely
1660794;1495639732;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 03:36 asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/cu31924004127696 << believe or not
1660795;1495642778;Framedragger;/r/mtgoxinsolvency is full of "this is sufficient for end of insolvency" and (quoting) "Karpeles is working on a solution!"
1660796;1495642794;mircea_popescu;idiots.
1660797;1495642798;Framedragger;because of the bull run, yknow
1660798;1495642808;mircea_popescu;the internet really made it obvious i actually don't like people.
1660799;1495642830;mircea_popescu;what fucking part of "usg stole all bitcoin you gave to mtgox long ago" isn't quite plain.
1660800;1495642848;trinque;yeah, when somebody steals my wife, whores her out, then keeps money, returns wife, that's whole.
1660801;1495642866;mircea_popescu;trinque someone's gotta pay for the hospital bills eh.
1660802;1495642866;asciilifeform;returns not wife, but the shit of the pig that her corpse was fed to
1660803;1495642867;Framedragger;dude karpeles just took a large loan on that frappuccino https://blog.bigterminal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/protest-confronts-karpeles.jpg
1660804;1495642875;Framedragger;he's gonna pay yuge interest and settle this
1660805;1495642899;Framedragger;he's an honestman.jpg
1660806;1495642900;*;mircea_popescu is working on a solution to end world stupid.
1660807;1495642947;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asteroid ?
1660808;1495642964;mircea_popescu;basically, what's going on here is, the STORY of life wouldn't make sense, ~as a story~, ie it wouldn't be put on tv, if there wasn't a twist here.
1660809;1495642977;Framedragger;lul magicaltux is actually responding on reddit (for gasmask folks, https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgoxinsolvency/comments/6cwd82/plz_vote_mr_kobayashi_we_the_mtgox_creditors/)
1660810;1495642987;mircea_popescu;and as far as these idiots are concerned, 100% of "life" experience comes from tv and such stories, and therefore it logically follows that yes, pretty good ods heel to face turn etc.
1660811;1495643026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing specific. just likew "Karpeles is working on a solution!". what, i can run for miss dumbland just as well as a fat fuck.
1660812;1495643077;asciilifeform;and i had nfi that there were reddit terminals in jp jail
1660813;1495643092;mircea_popescu;eh, jail. here's a secret : nobody wants to keep anyone ion jail, it's expensive.
1660814;1495643102;mircea_popescu;"jail" is this theoretical construct for online dorks.
1660815;1495643104;Framedragger;released on bail
1660816;1495643109;trinque;the lawyers keep you perpetually in court
1660817;1495643111;trinque;maximal extraction
1660818;1495643132;Framedragger;http://themerkle.com/mark-karpeles-twitter/
1660819;1495643144;Framedragger;amazing headline
1660820;1495643152;mircea_popescu;the lengthy pile opf chairs that is "our democracy" falls apart the moment you kick any prior out.
1660821;1495643281;asciilifeform;i still dun get why the usd exchange rate of btc would matter to the mtgox proceedings
1660822;1495643285;asciilifeform;even in theory
1660823;1495643297;mircea_popescu;fictive living.
1660824;1495643310;trinque;the idiots propose they be paid USD at prior value for their imaginary once btc holdings
1660825;1495643318;mircea_popescu;this is how they argue with their insignificant others : "oh, i was miss ohio state when i married oyu! i want a couch!"
1660826;1495643490;asciilifeform;also what would one have to smoke, to believe that there's any btc, usd, zimbabwe dollars, dubloons, etc. left in the smoking ruin.
1660827;1495643515;mircea_popescu;no, no, they don't care about the physical reality. the mental articulation is "1. i have claim ; 2. mommy makes good".
1660828;1495643516;trinque;you don't understand. there should be, so there is.
1660829;1495643528;mircea_popescu;see, they never lived this experience where they go on horseback, run into vienna, rape some girls.
1660830;1495643551;mircea_popescu;they had this experience where their computer game crashed and mommy bought them another one, because it was their xmas gift or w/e, ie they had THE CLAIM. and then made whole.
1660831;1495643580;mircea_popescu;that's the mechanism, very fundamentally imago-logic. this for that, this stands for that, etc.
1660832;1495643621;mircea_popescu;the physical realisation of the socialist/idiot's dreamed world is NO CONCERN OF HIS.
1660833;1495643631;mircea_popescu;all the has "to show" (that's how they talk, too) is the claim ticket.
1660834;1495643710;mircea_popescu;and this follows very strioctly ands quite necessarily from the workings of moderity / ourdemocracy. what do you need to get into the train ? not the physical ability, the PRIOR CLAIM. restaurant ? anything. and this on top of very extensive "parenting" in the form of mothering.
1660835;1495643728;mircea_popescu;18 years is excessive, yet they regard it as nearly criminally short. 25 more the norm.
1660836;1495643797;mircea_popescu;the mtgox idiots frankly don't see why their situation should be any different from the situation of those fyre festival idiots. why are THOSE getting refunds and free tickets "next time" ?
1660837;1495643803;trinque;and when the handful of accidental males start bouncing off the walls at 15, pills
1660838;1495643827;trinque;tbh most of my friends from that age ended up drugged
1660839;1495643834;mircea_popescu;well yes, because... cheaper than jail, lol. which is cheaper than, you've guessed it, trying to actually live in physical world.
1660840;1495643857;mircea_popescu;gotta be teh dreamers, that's the only way the batshit insane expectations of 8 bn heros in their own stories can be "satisfied" after a fashion.
1660841;1495643878;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/what-lasts-forever/ << mandatory reading at this juncture.
1660842;1495643883;asciilifeform;physical world 'ain't made of rubber'
1660843;1495643893;mircea_popescu;and rubber ain't nearly good enough.
1660844;1495643893;asciilifeform;only so-much room. and long time no worldwar.
1660845;1495643948;*;mircea_popescu will now fishj out conversation with lulzy chick in this vein. a second.
1660846;1495644107;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/j2mgG/?raw=true << this chick seriously imagines ima... actually let's take it by parts. this chick imagines that the fact she's not held an actual conversation ~is someone else's fault!~. she imagines someone's going to cut his beard for her dumb ass, not even as a hope but as an expectation, and she imagines she'll get free tickets.
1660847;1495644127;mircea_popescu;why the everloving fuck ? because yet another pancakeface "working in" bullshit she absolutely does not understand / has no business fucking with ?
1660848;1495644156;mircea_popescu;yes. in so many words, exactly, and i also bet you that not only she didn't read the link, but she imagines that if she had read it she'd be doing me a favour, and more properly speaking she should be paid to read it.
1660849;1495644196;mircea_popescu;i don't mean, "read and comprehend and allign mental space to it", no way. just the comprehend would be extra, in the sense of i dunno, a fucking ferrari. no, just you know, clicking on it and then forgetting about the tab. something like that.
1660850;1495644236;mircea_popescu;then idiots make business plans including advertising budgets. to reach these psychos. why ? how's it supposed to even work ?
1660851;1495644257;mircea_popescu;(and yes, it's literally psychosis, complete and utter derealisation + delusions of insertion)
1660852;1495644266;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where do you find these ??
1660853;1495644274;mircea_popescu;i have a specialized service.
1660854;1495644313;asciilifeform;i suppose you can have weekly-fresh-cunts XOR only-ever-talking-to-people-who-are-people
1660855;1495644325;mircea_popescu;i'm not that into fresh tbh.
1660856;1495644342;asciilifeform;then why in satan's name interface with 2legged cockroaches
1660857;1495644354;mircea_popescu;but, the reason i'm not nearly as "entomology"-inclined as moist folks here is because i have a very heavy undercurrent of "hey mr p! you gotta talk to his one."
1660858;1495644366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same reason you so eagerly read the $crud.
1660859;1495644386;mircea_popescu;what, am i going to become them ? take a more expensive, more exquisite path to the same derealization ? noty.
1660860;1495644762;trinque;http://trilema.com/2016/what-lasts-forever/#footnote_0_70544 << makes me think about one's own mind. if no large, esteemed node among the graph of meaning, psychosis.
1660861;1495644820;trinque;fascinates me then, what a king creates in his own mind.
1660862;1495644870;mircea_popescu;anyway. so now imagine ~half of all the chicks her age are also blessed with her mentality and it should be plain obvious there's NO POSSIBILITY of satisfying them in any other way than through netflix. because, even if you bougth them all ferraris, through buying half a billion of the thing they wouldn't be veblen goods anymore and so no longer serve the purpose. because they don't want all this shit for itself ; they just w
1660863;1495644871;mircea_popescu;ant it to try and use it to somehow plumb the endless depths of the chasm yawning inside, the horrid void of inexistence.
1660864;1495644872;mircea_popescu;trinque it's what games are FOR. unlike trying to "gameify" reality for chrissakes, this is actually what games are for.
1660865;1495645121;mircea_popescu;trinque that footnote relates directly to the earlier discussion re possiblity of meaning ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656354 ) specifically in the sense that war is unavoidable because... the agents can't... understand each other anymore.
1660866;1495645121;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.
1660867;1495645142;mircea_popescu;"when trade stops war starts" is just an heuristic in this same vein. obviously if you can't negotiate prices you no longer have a meaningful basis.
1660868;1495645161;trinque;clearly so. and behold, phf and I can't seem to parse messages, probably both wondering what the fuck the other intends by the character
1660869;1495645170;trinque;the whole thing was instructive
1660870;1495645185;mircea_popescu;this happened historically on trilema like on its first year of existence, even wrote about it.
1660871;1495645194;mircea_popescu;two respectable gents called each other idiots etc.
1660872;1495645252;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/nu-exista-prosti-online/ ha! found it.
1660873;1495645322;*;trinque might be a dumb guy, but can't remember the last time I lied.
1660874;1495645356;trinque;whole matter came down to that, most recently. whole republican structure is a machine out of which flows truth, meaning, what have you
1660875;1495645359;mircea_popescu;anyway, the whole tjhing with the "bretton woods agreement" / "our democracy peace and un" is an attempt to predicate the meaning on an authority predicated on the meaning, through the avenue of "we hate war". nice and good but can't work, and so it surprisingly does not work.
1660876;1495645359;trinque;arranged symbols
1660877;1495645370;mircea_popescu;quite.
1660878;1495645387;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A737DDF0E6CA96DDF6EA3F3FBFCC9D6E801C42849FF49AF36297B7870965177B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1574...7043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.42.120.210 (ssh-rsa key from 195.42.120.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (hc120210.tuxtools.net. DE)
1660879;1495645387;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A737DDF0E6CA96DDF6EA3F3FBFCC9D6E801C42849FF49AF36297B7870965177B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1596...5923 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.42.120.210 (ssh-rsa key from 195.42.120.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (hc120210.tuxtools.net. DE)
1660880;1495645389;trinque;phf: ftr, if ya stop the "now I think you're lying" when I'm an idiot, could shake your hand.
1660881;1495645400;mircea_popescu;but the big deal is that it's not just bitcoin which, even in its sad prototype form, is a much better alternative to "currency" as understood currently ; it's that tmsr is actually a much better replacement for the united nations.
1660882;1495645414;trinque;macrocosm of a sane mind
1660883;1495645580;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the world of sad prototypes : asciilifeform discovered ( and why did it have to be ' asciilifeform discovered ...' when other folx were nominally also testing...) that trb node with 'wires' still happily falls behind by 100s of blox, and never catches up,
1660884;1495645595;asciilifeform;because why would it. iirc we had this thread, node ONLY CHECKS IF BEHIND when BOOTING !!
1660885;1495645613;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check out the dividends of intelligence. discussion with random brat was not worth having, until i had it, and then recounted it, and now it's worth it -- plenty of people who want to be writers or bloggers or whatever but the head doesn't help them would gladly pay moneyz for such "Content" as idle chatter hath produced.
1660886;1495645632;asciilifeform;at all other times, blox are a 'push' mechanism. and naturally ~100% of all incoming pushing is prb idiocy
1660887;1495645634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why do you think you discovered something we thoroughly discussed in chan lol.
1660888;1495645641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: link?
1660889;1495645648;mircea_popescu;the thing, with the falling behind!
1660890;1495645662;asciilifeform;no, speaking here of 'wires' patch
1660891;1495645689;mircea_popescu;wires patch is not different ; still same trb.
1660892;1495645701;asciilifeform;turns out, the random 'push new blocks to peers' thing does not in fact work, aha, because they don't 'stay new' for very long
1660893;1495645714;asciilifeform;so perma-connects by themselves make 0 measurable diff.
1660894;1495645719;mircea_popescu;right.
1660895;1495645728;mircea_popescu;though honestly this was the conclusion about a week in, also.
1660896;1495645752;asciilifeform;hypothesis != conclusion
1660897;1495645777;mircea_popescu;no. the "wires patch does little more than spam the log" conclusion was had about a week into the wires experiment.
1660898;1495645815;asciilifeform;lol where ? on mircea_popescu's box, where he had nonstandard sshd and couldn't connect at all ?!
1660899;1495645835;mircea_popescu;pretty sure you said so yourself, but kinda loath to dig through logs rightnao.
1660900;1495645843;asciilifeform;sometimes i gotta wonder why i even bother to do experiments, when we could just write down mircea_popescu's hypothesis as result.
1660901;1495645878;mircea_popescu;dood, no need to butthurt, i'm not proposing something liek wires should not exist.
1660902;1495645916;asciilifeform;back to subj: a proper incarnation of 'wires' would , on both ends, ask 'what's yer height?' and in case of discrepancy, trade blox
1660903;1495645929;asciilifeform;until this exists, asciilifeform does not recommend the use of 'wires' branch in battlefield.
1660904;1495645939;asciilifeform;or further experiment with same.
1660905;1495645967;asciilifeform;mod6 et al ^
1660906;1495646017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you dun recall you said ~same (ie, "dun use") coupla months ago or such ?
1660907;1495646084;mircea_popescu;anyway ; the whole thing with block management hasta be redone, there's no way to separate strands. which is why work is ongoing from the other end, trying to figure out the proper foundation for storing blocks, and creating a storage engine model etc, ben_vulpes 's stuff.
1660908;1495646105;mircea_popescu;once that is in place, a proper p2p mechanism can be built and trb will work way the fuck better than prb ever could.
1660909;1495646121;mircea_popescu;starting this from the networking angle with a pastiche of ssh-perl is a bad idewa
1660910;1495646258;asciilifeform;this was how i ended up entirely setting bozo bit on shitoshi's cpp turd.
1660911;1495646269;asciilifeform;and incidentally i have the storage thing .
1660912;1495646283;mircea_popescu;the parallels with diana_coman eating away at the ps atrocity for minigame are striking, by the way.
1660913;1495646292;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if the same people made both. which... they have.
1660914;1495650361;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from the dept. of can-also-have-problems : http://archive.is/dDrH7
1660915;1495650447;mircea_popescu;who is this again ?
1660916;1495650599;BingoBoingo;Seth Rich is the alleged wikileaks source that the DNC killed
1660917;1495650616;mircea_popescu;o ? how\'d they kill himn ?
1660918;1495650645;BingoBoingo;Got a black man to shoot him
1660919;1495650669;mircea_popescu;lemme guess, pantsuit clown hitmen ? (in subsidiary, how can something be "discredited" "Conspiracy theories" before i even got to hear about it ? there's no minimum interval for discreditation ?)
1660920;1495650719;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo an' lemme guess, some kulak elements, at putin's behest, are intermeddling in the legal attempts to bury the whole thing ? tsk tsk.
1660921;1495650748;BingoBoingo;Oh my, how did you ever guess?
1660922;1495650785;mircea_popescu;it was in a fortune cookie in my besta pizza.
1660923;1495650819;mircea_popescu;it's a sad day indeed for ourdemocracy when the panstuit clown can't even get away with her extrajudicial murders anymore
1660924;1495650824;mircea_popescu;SHE WAS IN THE SITUATION ROOM!!11
1660925;1495650859;asciilifeform;# of arkencides prosecuted: still 0
1660926;1495650888;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how are you going to prosecute "black man" ? collective personage.
1660927;1495650909;BingoBoingo;To be fair what's the # of arkensexwithpigs prosecuted
1660928;1495650911;asciilifeform;could likewise suggest prosecuting the bullet
1660929;1495650919;asciilifeform;or the hole
1660930;1495650931;mircea_popescu;by now the usgtronic bestiary is getting pretty well fleshed out. "black man" assassin and "latino hotel maid" lying-under-oath and so on.
1660931;1495650940;mircea_popescu;various types o' witnesses, on it goes.
1660932;1495650953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trump was an idiot for not putting her in jail day one.
1660933;1495650965;mircea_popescu;fox could have run the whole story as martha stewart 2 and that's it.
1660934;1495650980;mircea_popescu;there are some jobs for which old men are never fit, turns out.
1660935;1495650987;asciilifeform;he's occupied with keeping own arse out of jail, lol
1660936;1495650997;mircea_popescu;yes, this is how losers lose.
1660937;1495651022;asciilifeform;# of successful appeals agains hawaiian judges overturning executive orders : 0
1660938;1495651041;asciilifeform;# of nsa operatives publicly hung on meathook : 0
1660939;1495651042;asciilifeform;etc.
1660940;1495651043;mircea_popescu;could just have him shot. what, black men work for pay.
1660941;1495651049;asciilifeform;only for dnc pay
1660942;1495651053;mircea_popescu;orly.
1660943;1495651066;asciilifeform;apparently!
1660944;1495651079;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, let dorks figure out their own shit, what am i, free consultancy inc ?
1660945;1495651175;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> the parallels with diana_coman eating away at the ps atrocity for minigame are striking, by the way. <- ha, catching up with the logs and I wanted to say precisely that!
1660946;1495651184;mircea_popescu;lel. myeah.\
1660947;1495651778;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the hawaii "judge"  lulz, /me is already preparing the popcorn for when the shoe will be on the other foot and libertards will be frothing at the mouth as to how THIS IS NOT ALLOWABLE!!! only democratic when does it for democratic party!!!1
1660948;1495651805;*;mircea_popescu still recalls the 3 months of "oh, electoral college, bulwark of democracy" pre november, to be followed by endless stream of "oh, antiquated institution, holds back ourdemocracy paradise" hence.
1660949;1495651879;asciilifeform;patient only got 1 foot
1660950;1495652037;mircea_popescu;anyway, the ratchet's been going one way only. the whole pretend-republic is ever less sustainable. the rest...
1660951;1495654082;ben_vulpes;just overheard from veen: "consumer does not have access to self. my favorite error message."
1660952;1495654107;asciilifeform;where'd he go, anyway
1660953;1495654117;asciilifeform;!~seen veen
1660954;1495654117;jhvh1;asciilifeform: I have not seen veen.
1660955;1495654151;asciilifeform;!#seen veen
1660956;1495654151;a111;2017-03-16 <veen> the man-handling happened at the helm of the challenger, much much smaller airframe
1660957;1495654156;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/24/a-few-alternatives-to-nice/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A few alternatives to “nice.”
1660958;1495654213;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: mostly up in the atmosphere
1660959;1495654984;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i dun normally even say anything re rubbish posts, but this one is worthy of reddit.
1660960;1495654988;asciilifeform;ftr.
1660961;1495654999;asciilifeform;i want my 3 minutes back.
1660962;1495655545;pete_dushenski;wat. gotta teach the kids how to talk. not everyone went to asciilifeform's kindergarten in the clouds.
1660963;1495655636;pete_dushenski;if you heard 'nice' 60k times a day in conversation you'd make a cheatsheet too. my teeth can't take much more grinding.
1660964;1495655791;pete_dushenski;this is asciilifeform's problem with his understanding of blogs. 'i don't talk about traveling on my blog because that's not the theme' isn't how contravex works. i talk about whatever the fuck i'm interested in or thinking about or want to remember for later, regardless of whether or not the same 10 ppl are glued to their monitors adoring every word.
1660965;1495655968;ben_vulpes;pete dushenski really oughta offer remedial middle school writing classes
1660966;1495655989;ben_vulpes;cover cliches, overuse of a limited vocabulary
1660967;1495655992;ben_vulpes;the worx
1660968;1495656043;ben_vulpes;"how to spot a thesaurus abuser"
1660969;1495656053;pete_dushenski;sounds like a decent retirement plan. offer sex ed classes on the side. the way education is SUPPOSED TO WORK!
1660970;1495656187;pete_dushenski;then again, what retirement ? what plan ?
1660971;1495658835;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1660972;1495658841;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2440.01, vol: 20384.37982678 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2434.052, vol: 10823.33567 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2420.8, vol: 27332.24503955 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2510.376551, vol: 22318.73000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2424.999, vol: 8878.10955333 | Volume-weighted last average: 2449.4563463
1660973;1495658919;BingoBoingo;OMG crashed all the way from $CURRENTYEAR to $STARTREKYEAR, Looking forward to $YUCCAMOUNTAINREPOSITORYPLANNEDFAILUREYEAR
1660974;1495659294;pete_dushenski;probably won't hit $JOOYEAR on this run but there's always next one (5777 currently)
1660975;1495659875;asciilifeform;asciilifeform doesn't win ~anything from 'to the moon', but is happy for pete_dushenski et al
1660976;1495659934;asciilifeform;( ftr asciilifeform has never sold a bitcoin for reichmoney. but had lost some on bbet, and never had much to begin with. )
1660977;1495659968;ben_vulpes;goodness i tell you it is downright impossible to buy bitcoin stateside
1660978;1495659980;ben_vulpes;nobody i know owns a single satoshi either, asciilifeform
1660979;1495659998;asciilifeform;did the usg exchanges finally give up the ghost ?
1660980;1495660001;trinque;eh, you can transfer them out of the state run things.
1660981;1495660002;asciilifeform;been ages since i tried to use one
1660982;1495660012;ben_vulpes;trinque: no it is impossibry
1660983;1495660023;trinque;o o rite, yes impossibru
1660984;1495660030;ben_vulpes;yes yes impossibru
1660985;1495660035;asciilifeform;say, 'coinbase', 2y or so ago i bought some coin there ( to then lose on bbet... ) and it came out
1660986;1495660049;ben_vulpes;the great inca has won, bitcoin is impossible to buy or own in the states
1660987;1495660049;asciilifeform;so at one time it worked
1660988;1495660051;ben_vulpes;grand tragedy
1660989;1495660061;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what means 'impossible to own' ?
1660990;1495660073;asciilifeform;the bits magically evaporate from your hdd ?
1660991;1495660078;trinque;ben_vulpes: you didn't wink enough.
1660992;1495660079;ben_vulpes;yes the nsa gets them!
1660993;1495660083;trinque;also lack of nudging.
1660994;1495660093;ben_vulpes;trinque: ey so does your lady you know you know
1660995;1495660100;trinque;does she.. go?
1660996;1495660107;ben_vulpes;does she ey ey?
1660997;1495660173;danielpbarron;coinbase still works last i checked earlier this year
1660998;1495660185;ben_vulpes;i thought asciilifeform was the one winking and nudging trinque
1660999;1495660250;danielpbarron;maybe it doesn't work for any substantial amount of money. but a few k here and there..
1661000;1495660274;asciilifeform;yeah if you give'em a megabux's worth, they'll probably simply swallow it
1661001;1495660285;asciilifeform;( because... why not )
1661002;1495660285;ben_vulpes;so be thou a mosquito
1661003;1495660312;ben_vulpes;if you actually have megabuxx to wire, your wot can provide
1661004;1495660326;ben_vulpes;assuming you have one!
1661005;1495660328;danielpbarron;i always wait till the actual bitcoin is in a real block in my address before i initiate another buy
1661006;1495660334;*;ben_vulpes sadly does not, either wot or megabuxx
1661007;1495660346;ben_vulpes;ergo will die destitute, stateside
1661008;1495660361;asciilifeform;speaking of which, last i recall mircea_popescu was still trading secularbux for coinz, if you're willing to get on a plane
1661009;1495660369;trinque;ben_vulpes: naw just predatory oligarch, come on!
1661010;1495660372;asciilifeform;( he can correct if this is no longer so )
1661011;1495660389;ben_vulpes;trinque: ah yes, i will have a million children and drain them all
1661012;1495660394;asciilifeform;lol if ben_vulpes is destitute, what am i
1661013;1495660404;trinque;monk! scholar!
1661014;1495660410;asciilifeform;vow of poverty!111 lol
1661015;1495660423;pete_dushenski;at least not chastitty
1661016;1495660440;danielpbarron;don't feel too bad; it's very difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God anyway
1661017;1495661165;jurov;best to structure some instrument to make one poor at moment of death
1661018;1495661194;pete_dushenski;if only asciilifeform had bet on eth (against mp) instead of lee sedol, he could probably afford parachute. 2.5btc was it ?
1661019;1495661223;asciilifeform;by same logic 'if only bought btc at 2cents' lol
1661020;1495661237;pete_dushenski;!~calc 0.078/0.0002*2.5
1661021;1495661239;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: 0.078/0.0002*2.5 = 975
1661022;1495661264;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: nah, because you were in the right place at the right time for one and not the other
1661023;1495661307;asciilifeform;lee sedol was quite educational tho
1661024;1495661314;asciilifeform;taught asciilifeform perma-lesson
1661025;1495661323;asciilifeform;never bet on any even you haven't rigged yourself.
1661026;1495661327;asciilifeform;*event
1661027;1495661331;pete_dushenski;no one offered you (or me) coins at $0.10. i caught wind at $0.90 but was too young and naive to grok. thought btc was paypal alternative.
1661028;1495661343;asciilifeform;dafuq means 'no one offered'
1661029;1495661392;pete_dushenski;means you're in a irc channel and someone says 'i'll give anyone here 10k btc for pizza or 5000eth/btc' and you raise your hand or don't.
1661030;1495661418;pete_dushenski;'no one offered' is pretty much everything else.
1661031;1495661537;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i dun have this excuse, i was aware of the thing almost from beginning
1661032;1495661569;asciilifeform;and was not esp. interested in forking over reichsbux for any, because thought it was a terribly designed , by idiots, item, and used, by avaricious idiots
1661033;1495661575;asciilifeform;and still it is largely so even today.
1661034;1495661611;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: you're a man ahead of your time, even if your idealism keeps you from seizing golden opportunities.
1661035;1495661645;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it also kept me from losing my last pennies in 'investments'
1661036;1495661659;asciilifeform;which is what happened , as i understand, to most of the 'believer' folx.
1661037;1495661668;pete_dushenski;there is that.
1661038;1495661688;jurov;ben_vulpes: i do sell coins to muricans, via transferwise
1661039;1495661756;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660973 << it's not really crashing! fiat is solid, only other things can crash! vote pantsuit 2440!
1661040;1495661756;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 20:48 BingoBoingo: OMG crashed all the way from $CURRENTYEAR to $STARTREKYEAR, Looking forward to $YUCCAMOUNTAINREPOSITORYPLANNEDFAILUREYEAR
1661041;1495661757;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: anyways, i get the distinct impression that you don't want to be particularly rich and see no obvious merit or advantage to wealth. so what else is there to say.
1661042;1495661776;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i gotta ask how you arrived at this impression
1661043;1495661843;asciilifeform;4 destroyed keyboard's worth of asciilifeform griping about working for money, apparently flew right by pete_dushenski .
1661044;1495661847;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660975 << nsa appreciates along with everything else.
1661045;1495661847;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 21:04 asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't win ~anything from 'to the moon', but is happy for pete_dushenski et al
1661046;1495661858;asciilifeform;sure.
1661047;1495661858;mircea_popescu;the ~8k in s.mg coffers went from ~10mn to ~20mn yes.
1661048;1495661886;mircea_popescu;ie, minigame is the most profitable game publisher ever, in relative terms and so on.
1661049;1495661887;ben_vulpes;hah someone getting a salary cut soon?
1661050;1495661899;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1661051;1495661901;asciilifeform;it had salary?!
1661052;1495661907;mircea_popescu;minigame ? sure.
1661053;1495661908;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: does not read reports!?
1661054;1495661913;*;asciilifeform goes, reads
1661055;1495661939;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm not terribly happy about the "congrats on completion of death march, here's the salary cuts figures."
1661056;1495661941;asciilifeform;sure enough ! ben_vulpes .
1661057;1495661948;asciilifeform;lol
1661058;1495661962;mircea_popescu;it's how it fucking works though. bitcoin is backshit-fuckwards.
1661059;1495661973;ben_vulpes;wow great coinage
1661060;1495661996;mircea_popescu;ha. not bad huh.
1661061;1495662005;ben_vulpes;nah, just joking in re salary cuts to the last time this happened; "only economy in which salaries go down!"
1661062;1495662014;mircea_popescu;truth.
1661063;1495662071;mircea_popescu;anyway. the delta means we could buy a coupla reddits or slashdots or w/e.
1661064;1495662083;mircea_popescu;(not gonna, no panic.)
1661065;1495662124;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660977 << must need get out more. thouigh from what i hear they charge peons 10% by now.
1661066;1495662124;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 21:06 ben_vulpes: goodness i tell you it is downright impossible to buy bitcoin stateside
1661067;1495662252;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661008 << not particularily. was just moving dollars into argentina under the hallucinatory delusion that it's the government rather than the country that's broken.
1661068;1495662252;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 21:12 asciilifeform: speaking of which, last i recall mircea_popescu was still trading secularbux for coinz, if you're willing to get on a plane
1661069;1495662284;mircea_popescu;meanwhile hung the whore, shit still broken.
1661070;1495662287;asciilifeform;i'd still like to buy a ticket to nonbroken country somewhere
1661071;1495662299;mircea_popescu;i'm happy with cr so far.
1661072;1495662308;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: would probably like unbroken programming lang too
1661073;1495662310;mircea_popescu;very good work ethic, these people. they wanna work.
1661074;1495662316;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it looks pretty broken in the pics
1661075;1495662317;ben_vulpes;sounds happiest with ada, which is p. funny
1661076;1495662327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform specifically ?
1661077;1495662343;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e.g. http://trilema.com/2017/america
1661078;1495662409;mircea_popescu;is it that you don't wanrt to live in a country where mcd exists at all ; or where ruined old houses exist at all ?
1661079;1495662423;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the job of programming system is not to make operator squeal with orgasmic joy, but to behave ~predictably~
1661080;1495662429;asciilifeform;exactly like, e.g., bulldozer
1661081;1495662434;asciilifeform;so far i've found that ada -- does
1661082;1495662446;*;mircea_popescu should take you for a walk in barrio mexico. somehow everywhere the "barrio mexico" is this batshit insane / utterly pictoresque agglomeration of hovels. totally bohemian, all inclines and strange angles and shit.
1661083;1495662471;mircea_popescu;rolled today past this "entrance" at a 30 degree angle from the wall, two feet wide. whole place looks like hobbits built iut.
1661084;1495662523;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661019 << two dollars. A WHOLE SUMMER.
1661085;1495662523;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 21:27 asciilifeform: by same logic 'if only bought btc at 2cents' lol
1661086;1495662540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have 0 against ruins, or whatever abomination 'exists somewhere', but so far no buenosaires-like pics from mircea_popescu-in-cr
1661087;1495662545;phf;i take it for asciilifeform unbroken means exactly cr or certain parts of mexico or southern india even, but with existing infrastructure to support his electron microscope. having to build that infra himself is mp'ism and is unacceptable
1661088;1495662549;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661025 << lol starting to sound like confirmed mobster lmao
1661089;1495662549;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 21:28 asciilifeform: never bet on any even you haven't rigged yourself.
1661090;1495662575;asciilifeform;phf: funnily enough i dun have the infrastructure ~here~ either
1661091;1495662577;asciilifeform;so that can't be it
1661092;1495662579;mircea_popescu;phf definitely can get an electron microscope here.
1661093;1495662618;mircea_popescu;and in the same vein, just came from accountant, who moved offices because whatever, fambly dispute over property etc. his new place, downtown san jose, is something like 2k sqft for 900 a month.
1661094;1495662639;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is from vaguely-european-looking, architecturally, city, and simply likes the aesthetic, and considers everywhere where it ain't to be found, a monkeystan, is all.
1661095;1495662647;asciilifeform;(incl. most of usa)
1661096;1495662670;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the difference is that you could buy such a thing here.
1661097;1495662695;mircea_popescu;but yes, costa rica mostly "colonial" style. which i like, myself, but i can see the "if it ain't small streets and vienese palaces everywhere it ain't the old country". guess not.
1661098;1495662707;asciilifeform;i dunno that i personally could buy so much as doghouse. outside of perhaps namibia.
1661099;1495662728;mircea_popescu;coupla millions, what. newlywed couples routinely indulge in frisco.
1661100;1495662752;asciilifeform;i dun think i own a couplea million of anything, even shoestrings.
1661101;1495662791;ben_vulpes;s.nsa stock mebbe?
1661102;1495662794;mircea_popescu;well, be poor for a few more years, sell a coupla s.nsa shares, then you'll have.
1661103;1495662794;mircea_popescu;lol.
1661104;1495662797;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes lol
1661105;1495662939;pete_dushenski;speaking of s.nsa, why does mpex not list website for it ? or for s.mg for that matter ? s.qntr lists.
1661106;1495662953;asciilifeform;so far it's pretty hilarious, i build a box that actually solves $problem, and not even close to 'megabestseller', all the meanwhile 'people' paying, supposedly, multi-$k for usg rng.
1661107;1495662963;mircea_popescu;not sure, possibly nobody gave a shit.
1661108;1495662996;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: your device will be multi-$k before you know it!
1661109;1495663002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we shoulda hotglued a chinese singing thing inside a shoebox.
1661110;1495663009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: clearly!111
1661111;1495663019;mircea_popescu;gotta serve teh markkit!!1
1661112;1495663058;mircea_popescu;o shit, will prolly have to reprice those things huh. what is it by now, benjie per ? more ?
1661113;1495663069;asciilifeform;i'd be barfing harder if i hadn't 'seen this exact movie before', with ye olde robot
1661114;1495663088;asciilifeform;( the last time, long ago, when asciilifeform solved-problem-and-nobody-bought )
1661115;1495663107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 0.0495
1661116;1495663133;phf;asciilifeform: your thing is existentially terrifying, it demands a lot from the "user" (not sure it even accepts the notion of user) when they look at it, they see a glimpse of own mortality
1661117;1495663157;asciilifeform;incidentally ( and this is not a seekrit, is clearly readable from the broadcast ) it was barely +ev after postage.
1661118;1495663171;asciilifeform;phf: wat, folx buy bare boardz all the time
1661119;1495663177;mircea_popescu;no, he's on to something.
1661120;1495663194;mircea_popescu;the item smells like the end of them. which it is. so... scary as all shit, yes.
1661121;1495663213;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: mine were over $100 cad each fwiw. and that was 3 weeks ago.
1661122;1495663261;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: now that you mention it, did these arrive intact ?
1661123;1495663277;pete_dushenski;yessir. thanks for checking.
1661124;1495663284;*;asciilifeform doesn't ask FG buyers anything, by default, unless they ask 1st
1661125;1495663290;mircea_popescu;sound policy.
1661126;1495663704;asciilifeform;phf: i can see what you mean, but i dunno that the problem (if you can call it one) is addressable. thing ain't 'friendly' any moar than a claymore mine is friendly.
1661127;1495663718;mircea_popescu;which is why no attempt to "address" it is made.
1661128;1495663721;asciilifeform;aha
1661129;1495663813;mircea_popescu;but captain breezay ain't happy.
1661130;1495663826;asciilifeform;the only improvement currently in the worx is the scintillator thing, which should give 1000x entropy debit ( and consequently 1000x faster testing, which is significant to asciilifeform who assembles and tests EACH UNIT BY MOTHERFUCKING HAND ) but that's really it.
1661131;1495663914;asciilifeform;(mechanical) assembly, fasteners, packaging, etc.
1661132;1495663954;mircea_popescu;total collector's item
1661133;1495664071;asciilifeform;incidentally, if there were such a thing as an honest ic fab, the scintillator-cum-photodiode-cum-debiaser could easily be an ic
1661134;1495664077;asciilifeform;optically inspectable, too.
1661135;1495664083;asciilifeform;single-crystal MB/s rng.
1661136;1495664186;asciilifeform;previously i thought that you could not have an auditable single-crystal rng, but possibly this is not so : if you make it so that only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up, you can 'yoke'-audit 2 units by placing back to back around test source.
1661137;1495664215;asciilifeform;anyway iirc i described the basic scheme of this previously.
1661138;1495664348;asciilifeform;for extra rage, http://cs.ucsb.edu/~koc/cren/docs/w06/trng.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3qKlv/?raw=true << described the multi-$k usg rngs, and the 'unsolved problem' etc etc
1661139;1495664369;asciilifeform;( afaik it is the broadest and most complete survey of subj, fwiw, when was written )
1661140;1495664388;mircea_popescu;so drop guy a line.
1661141;1495664415;asciilifeform;http://www.irb.hr/eng/People/Mario-Stipcevic
1661142;1495664431;asciilifeform;hey folx who aren't asciilifeform ! why not try ? maybe score a success ???
1661143;1495664449;mircea_popescu;...
1661144;1495664468;asciilifeform;not. one. of the folx i wrote to, answered usefully, to date.
1661145;1495664477;mircea_popescu;so ?
1661146;1495664483;mircea_popescu;what, you wanna die a virgin ?
1661147;1495664488;asciilifeform;so, maybe i'm doing-it-wrong
1661148;1495664508;mircea_popescu;well, maybe doing it wrong is no excuse from having to do it.
1661149;1495664512;Framedragger;asciilifeform: do basically want to invite him to audit FUCKGOATS?
1661150;1495664517;asciilifeform;aha?
1661151;1495664517;*;Framedragger can write tomorrow, for kicks
1661152;1495664523;Framedragger;you*
1661153;1495664544;Framedragger;ok then will, can't hurt. but expect same success rate (0)...
1661154;1495664566;mircea_popescu;the success is in the writing!
1661155;1495664611;mircea_popescu;as per teh "whisperers" discussion : after you write, it's his problem. before you do, however, murkier.
1661156;1495664632;Framedragger;there is that. moves the demarcation line
1661157;1495664656;mircea_popescu;quite so. /me is not terribly currious what mario $rando says or does or whatever anyway.
1661158;1495664756;asciilifeform;fwiw d00d actually works (as academic) on optical rng
1661159;1495664766;asciilifeform;has various ( imho quality ) articles on subj.
1661160;1495664793;asciilifeform;doesn't advocate whitening, or any other obvious liquishit, which is a jawdropping rarity.
1661161;1495664802;mircea_popescu;this is kinda why you're stuck doing the writing -- you're the only one who can tell him from adam. i dun care. Framedragger is polite and everything, but that goes so far.
1661162;1495664824;mircea_popescu;can't ask other boys to talk to the girls that interest you, it's just not how this whole talking business works.
1661163;1495664882;asciilifeform;aite, i'ma write..
1661164;1495664887;*;Framedragger is content with politness-instrumental-role in this context, but not certain if even that helps (being more confrontational (if that's the word) from the get-go ain't a bad thing, etc...)
1661165;1495664982;Framedragger;asciilifeform: this'll sound stupid, but have you checked whether mail from your mail server does not get marked as spam by various heathen systems (gmail e.g.)?
1661166;1495664992;*;Framedragger happened to me
1661167;1495664995;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i typically send these ~from~ a gmail
1661168;1495664997;asciilifeform;kept for the purpose
1661169;1495665003;Framedragger;ah, yeah makes sense
1661170;1495665013;asciilifeform;mail from my actual mail server no longer gets through ~anywhere
1661171;1495665016;asciilifeform;and i've mostly abandoned it
1661172;1495665021;asciilifeform;usg owns email.
1661173;1495665036;mircea_popescu;mine did, all the way to when i dropped the shit altoghether.
1661174;1495665050;asciilifeform;i do not unfortunately have this luxury.
1661175;1495665076;Framedragger;now picturing sending a physical letter with an invite to irc. possibly gpg fingerprint, too
1661176;1495665091;mircea_popescu;did take wringing some necks of the "antispam" mafia, but they wring surprisinglky easily.
1661177;1495665160;asciilifeform;ok sent
1661178;1495665175;Framedragger;cool
1661179;1495665198;mircea_popescu;(the threat of being sued in romania and then getting in trouble when going to french conbference or w/e is remarkably powerful.)
1661180;1495665298;Framedragger;nice...
1661181;1495665309;mircea_popescu;~only benefit of the whole eu thing.
1661182;1495665390;mircea_popescu;romanian law has this wonderful device, successor of the ancient writ of mandamus, "obligatia de a face". you can sue for the court to force specific performance out of people.
1661183;1495665440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's this look like in typical practice ?
1661184;1495665480;mircea_popescu;most of the time, it's a method of review of administrative activity that's not well served by equity redress (special court for that). i got say the ro immigrations obliged by court to issuye work permits etc.
1661185;1495665508;mircea_popescu;but it can also be used in private practice, such as the obligation of guy who owns the gate to give you a key because you have a right of egress, or w/e such.
1661186;1495665533;asciilifeform;lol hey we have this in usa, court obligated immigration ministry to let in allahsnackbar that mr.t wanted to keep out...
1661187;1495665542;mircea_popescu;i'm sure.
1661188;1495665581;asciilifeform;what are courts even about, if not ordering folx to do x, cease y
1661189;1495665598;mircea_popescu;us is really very "liquidated damages"-y. rather than mandate performances.
1661190;1495665767;asciilifeform;tru
1661191;1495665775;asciilifeform;they're big on fungibility-of-everything.
1661192;1495665887;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1661193;1495665899;mircea_popescu;except bitcoin, of course.
1661194;1495665921;asciilifeform;aaha
1661195;1495666364;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack : i'd still like to find this shangri-la, between britney-rubbish and FG, where actual money is to be made.
1661196;1495666406;mircea_popescu;nobody ever encountered this problem in the history of life on earth.
1661197;1495666412;mircea_popescu;there's not even poems about it or anything.
1661198;1495666413;asciilifeform;lol
1661199;1495666433;asciilifeform;and hey, nowhere is it written that it even has an answer, maybe folx simply dun need gadgets.
1661200;1495666447;mircea_popescu;yeah, only need tablets.
1661201;1495666467;asciilifeform;and mcd
1661202;1495667552;asciilifeform;in other crackpotteries,  http://quidnon.blogspot.com/2017/05/a-boat-for-reluctant-sailor.html >> orlol's boat thing, 'To be sure, some people found the project fascinating and, based on the blog stats, went and read all about it. And some of them wished me and the project the very best luck. But the most vocal people were also the most negative. In all, it appears that most of the people who responded did so because QUIDNON rubbed t
1661203;1495667552;asciilifeform;hem the wrong way in any one of several ways: it doesn’t fit the glamorous image of yachting, it is useless for either sport or ostentation, and it shows people the way to live and enjoy themselves on the water for very little money. Anathema!'
1661204;1495668049;mircea_popescu;um
1661205;1495668107;mircea_popescu;how about it's just a stupid idea by a clueless moron who pointedly refuses to acknowledge his ignorance because he figures if he fixes it he just becomes the normal unremarkable dork his mommy made him, whereas in militant idiocy he feels unique ?
1661206;1495668143;mircea_popescu;or is that just more of "he robbed me of the glamour of yachting as seen by a cat inside a cardboard box" ?
1661207;1495670281;mircea_popescu;oh, in other lulz : laura codruta kovesi, ro axe handle and for ~decade very insistently presented by usg media as a sort of hero of the fight against "corruption" (aka, non-usg capital) is now sought by police because "somehow" disappeared just as various legal proceedings started.
1661208;1495670296;mircea_popescu;something tells me no hotel maid in new york is gonna complain she tried to rape her, yes ?
1661209;1495670662;asciilifeform;i disagree that the ugly boat is intrinsically bad idea
1661210;1495670677;asciilifeform;it's poor-misanthrope tech and i'm for it, to the hilt.
1661211;1495670685;asciilifeform;fuck payingrent.
1661212;1495670701;asciilifeform;but iirc we already had this thread.
1661213;1495671245;asciilifeform;iirc also mircea_popescu's technical objections were, imho, intellectually lazy ('pipe fittings will cost their weight in gold, because boat and they can' -- by same token rng MUST cost 10k $, because raytheon's does; 'must drag it to shore to paint bottom' -- also fixable, make the bottom from inconel or hastelloy ; etc )
1661214;1495671343;asciilifeform;technical problems admit technical solutions. but i suppose political problem ( mircea_popescu simply loathes the idea , Answer Lies In The Sewers - style, ohnoez folx with modest means living rent-free ) does not ..?
1661215;1495671492;mircea_popescu;eh, my recollection of the discussion is, "there's houseboat and there's yacht. there's no batshit-nonsense for the ~same reason there's no golf club cum baseball bat cum tennis racket."
1661216;1495671515;mircea_popescu;and no, it isn't some sort of brilliant idea to "you know, like swiss army knife, for sports handhelds!"
1661217;1495671526;mircea_popescu;just more of the same tedious, lazy, loathsome "reasoning" by simile.
1661218;1495671714;mircea_popescu;but otherwise -- no further than last year i sat and drank on a "QUIDNON". it was large and well furnished, built specifically for being casino. sat, logically, ON RIVER, beause no waves. and so forth.
1661219;1495671752;mircea_popescu;i need some roto'n culo to "invent" the houseboat for me like i need some indigent farmer to invent a new religion on the basis of "reading" tablets fallen from the sky.
1661220;1495671810;mircea_popescu;(in passing let it be said that the universal and fundamental quality of snake oil is just this swiss army knife appearance, it's supposed to be everything for everyone but nothing in particular to no particular anyone.)
1661221;1495672045;mircea_popescu;oh, yeah, and the whole "rent free" nonsense bit a huge girder once i pointed out to you what the proper solution for this boating bs is ; then it turned out the whole thing was more of an exercise in inverting naggum's matrices "to see if it could be done" than anything specific.
1661222;1495672253;phf;intuitively any rent free arrangement must necessarily cost more, because it's not subsidized by the master
1661223;1495672286;mircea_popescu;if you factor into this "rent free" what tomahawks copst anbd what they do for that money, you're sunk.
1661224;1495672339;mircea_popescu;the reason merchant class even appeared in medieval europe was because it's cheaper to rent a house in castle than it is to produce it. sucker's play, and that's how aristocracy bled to death.
1661225;1495672362;mircea_popescu;not like it wasn't fucking obvious, hence the whole "student" vagabond class, already well entranched by the time of villon.
1661226;1495673012;phf;we're so far away from that division, that it's hard to reason about it, but on reflection it makes sense
1661227;1495673638;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661225 << has approx same to do with modern rent racket, as with mars
1661228;1495673638;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 00:32 mircea_popescu: not like it wasn't fucking obvious, hence the whole "student" vagabond class, already well entranched by the time of villon.
1661229;1495673648;mircea_popescu;inexplicable, you know (never said maximillian) how i owe money to merchants for armies to defend/acquire the very fucking towns in which these merchants live. how is it that max owes fugger rather than fugger owing max ?!
1661230;1495673776;asciilifeform;those aristos died of stupidity-- thinking that they were exempt from having to learn about money, similarly to modern brahmins 'exemption' from crypto
1661231;1495673784;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1661232;1495673841;phf;asciilifeform: the specifics of rent racket are different, but same principles apply to escaping modern rent racket in any kind of real sense, beyond "don't you hate paying rent??? what if i told you you don't have to pay rent ever again!1" snake oil
1661233;1495673846;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661219 << d00d never claimed to invent anything -- just publishes design, like FG is published, wat
1661234;1495673846;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 00:22 mircea_popescu: i need some roto'n culo to "invent" the houseboat for me like i need some indigent farmer to invent a new religion on the basis of "reading" tablets fallen from the sky.
1661235;1495673893;mircea_popescu;yes, yes.
1661236;1495673898;mircea_popescu;where do i buy it ?
1661237;1495673912;mircea_popescu;it's not like fg is published ; it's like escher is published.
1661238;1495673916;asciilifeform;afaik it was not released as of yet
1661239;1495673920;mircea_popescu;yaya
1661240;1495674050;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661221 << old iron-bottomed ( built to be disposable ) diesels are no solution to anything but scrap business .
1661241;1495674050;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 00:27 mircea_popescu: oh, yeah, and the whole "rent free" nonsense bit a huge girder once i pointed out to you what the proper solution for this boating bs is ; then it turned out the whole thing was more of an exercise in inverting naggum's matrices "to see if it could be done" than anything specific.
1661242;1495674084;mircea_popescu;you will have to decide what your problem is. do you want cheap ? do you want made in kitchen ? do you want "looks like my wife's cunt" ? what, specifically, do you want ?
1661243;1495674106;asciilifeform;cheap + as close to 0 recurring cost as possible.
1661244;1495674107;mircea_popescu;you will never EVER be able to beat for price the discounted products of an industrial process through artisanal craftsmanship.
1661245;1495674124;asciilifeform;FG exists. so -- plainly false.
1661246;1495674135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, you know what, giving your skill in formulating problems, i suspect orlov may have a solution justr for you.
1661247;1495674159;asciilifeform;when industry has 0 interest in your problem domain -- it's artisanal, or nuffin'
1661248;1495674187;mircea_popescu;the problem domain of "item that sails" is wel lcatered to. the problem domain of "doods feel like they're not personally interesting enough", never will.
1661249;1495674249;asciilifeform;item that sails ~for kalash budget~ is not well catered to. afaik.
1661250;1495674273;mircea_popescu;hey, i got a pair of two dollar shoes to sell you also.
1661251;1495674295;asciilifeform;these are products of mass industry, mircea_popescu
1661252;1495674325;asciilifeform;artisan, on otherhand, can make 2 $ shoes that will outlast mircea_popescu's 2$k
1661253;1495674343;asciilifeform;if he puts in the time.
1661254;1495674350;mircea_popescu;well, no, seeing how $ also product of mass industry. but yes, slavegirls make me all soreta things for free
1661255;1495674352;mircea_popescu;and they also don't pay rent.
1661256;1495674359;mircea_popescu;so maybe something more in that vein would satisfy.
1661257;1495674383;asciilifeform;same idea. orlol's, or gentoo, or almost all of asciilifeform's equipment, is of this type
1661258;1495674389;asciilifeform;'be own slavegirl'
1661259;1495674413;mircea_popescu;the problem is that fg can be bought, and escher's drawings can not be bought. orlol is of the latter type.
1661260;1495674440;asciilifeform;this could very well be true, but imho oughta be approached as ~technical~ question
1661261;1495674455;mircea_popescu;it was, then you just raise it six months later as if it hasn't.
1661262;1495674466;phf;item that sails for kalash money exists, miss rockaway armada likes to build those
1661263;1495674467;mircea_popescu;mebbe just re-read discussion, offer specific objections ?
1661264;1495674498;asciilifeform;phf: sails+livable ?
1661265;1495674527;phf;asciilifeform: actually, yes, on both accounts, but you should perhaps image search miss rockaway armada
1661266;1495674537;*;asciilifeform puts on conveyor 
1661267;1495674558;mircea_popescu;"livable" you know. the colonization of polynesia is living proof that man can live on a plank.
1661268;1495674579;asciilifeform;umm phf these dun look like oceanic vessels
1661269;1495674586;asciilifeform;disingenuous to compare
1661270;1495674595;phf;kalash money though
1661271;1495674606;asciilifeform;monkey living.
1661272;1495674617;*;mircea_popescu vaguely regrets he's not harun al rashid, sends sipahi over orlol's place, give him a year to make the damned thing and force him to sail in it.
1661273;1495674645;asciilifeform;i fully expect that he'll sail in it
1661274;1495674665;phf;reading orlol i thought he already had a sailable device? why aren't there plans&details for what he already allegedly has
1661275;1495674665;mircea_popescu;and i fully expect that as he drowns you'll find some other equivalent nonsense to fully expect will work.
1661276;1495674698;asciilifeform;phf: he had, then, like idiot, got a wife
1661277;1495674709;mircea_popescu;she beleeted the internets ?!
1661278;1495674744;phf;last time orlol's sail boat came up i linked some detailed plans by digital nomads for living houseboats. those were decidedly not built on kalash budget (mostly funded by alphabet companies, because choke full of electronics)
1661279;1495674757;asciilifeform;phf: the old boat, he sold, it was an off-the-shelf item
1661280;1495674777;mircea_popescu;wait. he had an oceangoing vessel on "kalash budget" he bought off the shelf ?
1661281;1495674779;mircea_popescu;wtf is this!
1661282;1495674803;asciilifeform;phf: if not open-ocean capable, it's rubbish, because fails at the elementary task of putting distance b/w operator and otherpeople
1661283;1495674831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in fact. iirc it cost him 10k usd or so, originally, in 2007ish
1661284;1495674833;mircea_popescu;what other people ? the other people who will grow your fucking food and do your laundry ?
1661285;1495674838;asciilifeform;yes, them
1661286;1495674851;mircea_popescu;this makes as much sense as any hobbyst discussion. ima check out.
1661287;1495674889;asciilifeform;also i dunno re mircea_popescu , but machine does my laundry
1661288;1495674898;asciilifeform;and would generate my food, if it could.
1661289;1495674900;mircea_popescu;if you have the laundry.
1661290;1495674925;asciilifeform;100% physically closed cycle, motherfuckers, on mars, if i could!1111
1661291;1495674928;phf;^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_oEmG7DzU
1661292;1495674938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't death a cheaper altenrative ?
1661293;1495674951;asciilifeform;it's free!11
1661294;1495674963;mircea_popescu;"i don't want to die, i just want to go into a bottle."
1661295;1495674963;asciilifeform;but not nearly as fun
1661296;1495674993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu doesn't even consider introversion as anything other than insanity, does he.
1661297;1495675005;mircea_popescu;why not you know, get used to talking to mario $rando instead ? way the fuck easier than growing linen on the open ocean.
1661298;1495675041;mircea_popescu;actually, introversion per se is one thing. much like jumping on one foot is one thing. when you actually miss a leg it's a different story, and should regrow it!
1661299;1495675084;asciilifeform;at one point folx were used to typhus and everything, incl. houses of great lords ( see last night's plumbing b00k link ) stinking of shit. then came the tech to stop.
1661300;1495675100;mircea_popescu;anyway. i fully confess i am simply too lazy to grow cash crops on mars, prefer to just you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660854
1661301;1495675100;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 16:45 asciilifeform: i suppose you can have weekly-fresh-cunts XOR only-ever-talking-to-people-who-are-people
1661302;1495675106;asciilifeform;and it wasn't, somehow, any longer a thing to which 'you simply gotta get used to '.
1661303;1495675122;mircea_popescu;you want to technologize talking to people out of the equation of living ?
1661304;1495675141;asciilifeform;make optional. the way having children is.
1661305;1495675154;mircea_popescu;how is it not optional now.
1661306;1495675177;asciilifeform;it is optional now but veeey expensive.
1661307;1495675200;mircea_popescu;mmm. i dunno. i mean in the sense condoms are three bux or w/e, break the "Student"'s budget
1661308;1495675230;asciilifeform;if i were to pay 10x less rent, would have more than 10x the unwanted hyoomancontact.
1661309;1495675249;mircea_popescu;from experience or from extrapolation ?
1661310;1495675256;asciilifeform;experience.
1661311;1495675268;mircea_popescu;aite then.
1661312;1495675551;asciilifeform;fwiw i'd like to solve what i see as the solvable problem, of minimizing living expense without having to live among scum
1661313;1495675600;mircea_popescu;why not increase income ? it's the traditional approach.
1661314;1495675611;asciilifeform;( and in fact i considered lafondlandia, even, and did go there, and haggle with realtors, chitchat with the criminally insane locals, etc. and concluded that it was just short of +ev )
1661315;1495675641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why not jump very high, and go to mars, aha
1661316;1495675675;mircea_popescu;there's a reason ~everyone applies that method. the reason being 10 overbids 9 whereas 8 does not.
1661317;1495675681;mircea_popescu;it's better to have more money than to pay less rent.
1661318;1495675693;asciilifeform;mega-insight
1661319;1495675709;asciilifeform;fact is that it is the most effective way to 'get moar money'
1661320;1495675712;mircea_popescu;with you i don't always know what'sa obvious.
1661321;1495675716;asciilifeform;to give less of it to rentseekers.
1661322;1495675723;mircea_popescu;this is actually not true.
1661323;1495675730;mircea_popescu;just make sure they deliver more than what they take.
1661324;1495675765;mircea_popescu;obligatory link to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639
1661325;1495675765;a111;Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
1661326;1495675785;asciilifeform;i'd happily move to a planet with no pdiddy.
1661327;1495675819;mircea_popescu;nevermind that. consider this : my living arrangements, were they to be separated as an independent profit center, were in the green pretty much every year for the past 20.
1661328;1495675840;mircea_popescu;the correct approach to "live rent free" is to work it as a business. the rest is poppycock.
1661329;1495675856;asciilifeform;this is possible when you're mircea_popescu and have leverage.
1661330;1495675875;asciilifeform;( and jurisdiction-shopping )
1661331;1495675881;mircea_popescu;mp was born in a country where 20 dollars was a monthly salary. leverage is not so simple as all that.
1661332;1495675924;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform born where ~nobody knew what dollar looked like, lol , what of it
1661333;1495675941;mircea_popescu;i'm just saying, leverage isn't this magical thing from the sky.
1661334;1495675962;asciilifeform;it's not magical, no, but comes with having capital, vs subsistence living
1661335;1495675985;mircea_popescu;subsistence living has a peculiar meaning in romania of the 80s.
1661336;1495675996;mircea_popescu;lemme dig out a pic.
1661337;1495676047;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/piinea-amara-a-baietasilor-de-cartier/ << 1st image there. ro "hip hop" band (ro terminology), ie gangsta rap. they ACTUALLY have the creds tho, comiong from the actual hood.
1661338;1495676054;mircea_popescu;which is what soviet style econom,ies were, cca 1990.
1661339;1495676094;asciilifeform;i dun see anything peculiar in the pics..
1661340;1495676140;mircea_popescu;hm. maybe it's one of those things where it doesn't denote, it connotes. anyway, first one is a fine indication of subsistence living in question.
1661341;1495676254;asciilifeform;i'll point out that su built massive economic base , on the plunder of which the 'civilized' west ~ to this day ~ runs
1661342;1495676326;mircea_popescu;that may be ; but there exists no ghetto in all of the us today that can compare to eg ghencea, or whatever other "urban development".
1661343;1495676332;mircea_popescu;lafond is hallucinating, those people live in luxury.\
1661344;1495676337;asciilifeform;visit bmore, mircea_popescu
1661345;1495676344;mircea_popescu;for one thing -- can actually buy meat. CAN. could.
1661346;1495676349;asciilifeform;incognito, if you must
1661347;1495676351;asciilifeform;orly
1661348;1495676363;mircea_popescu;sure. heck, there's even supermarkets they can borrow it from.
1661349;1495676365;asciilifeform;recall asciilifeform's 'food depo' photos ?
1661350;1495676375;mircea_popescu;yea ?
1661351;1495676408;asciilifeform;that meat ain't meat, it's whatever they scrape from the floor at meat plant, + corn starch
1661352;1495676410;mircea_popescu;get back to me when you find a household making it on 30 dollars a month.
1661353;1495676425;mircea_popescu;with the women making clothes by hand out of stolen scraps, and all the complexities of soups etc.
1661354;1495676429;asciilifeform;they're in afgan, where rent is 20
1661355;1495676430;mircea_popescu;india, ghetto. the us ? heh.
1661356;1495676502;asciilifeform;they also have living capital, in india etc : people who, e.g., still know how to make cloth, and can live N to a room without killing self or each other
1661357;1495676515;mircea_popescu;for that matter, get back to me when any of them actually work a field, by hand, to make 100 dollars in 6 months of oxen labour.
1661358;1495676524;asciilifeform;what field, lol
1661359;1495676539;asciilifeform;and whence the ox.
1661360;1495676539;mircea_popescu;THAT is what qualifies, not the butthurt bullshit of wanna-be princeses upset some other dorks they cant' distinguish themselves from got a cooler car.
1661361;1495676557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no ox. let them pull the plow.
1661362;1495676576;asciilifeform;and while suffering aids and ebola!111
1661363;1495676594;mircea_popescu;was ~no aids in romania. but i have personally seen woman pulling man pushing plow.
1661364;1495676608;asciilifeform;sounds inefficient
1661365;1495676612;mircea_popescu;very.
1661366;1495676618;mircea_popescu;which is the fundamental point of poverty.
1661367;1495676618;asciilifeform;why not both pull
1661368;1495676627;mircea_popescu;cuz then the blade just goes out ?
1661369;1495676644;asciilifeform;hm, point
1661370;1495676664;mircea_popescu;plowing tractors have special hydraulics to keep it in. lot of force, more than the pull.
1661371;1495676710;asciilifeform;i thought mass was enough..
1661372;1495676728;mircea_popescu;i suppose you could just put a huge rock on it, but then the horse'll die.
1661373;1495676754;*;asciilifeform not expert on subj 
1661374;1495676874;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1661375;1495676874;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1661376;1495676929;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661195  < have you tried selling FG to data science / machine learning types? IE the only group of young people with disposable income.
1661377;1495676929;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 22:52 asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : i'd still like to find this shangri-la, between britney-rubbish and FG, where actual money is to be made.
1661378;1495676944;gabriel_laddel_p;On the basis that FG won't rest on some portion of the state space when you train your model
1661379;1495676952;mircea_popescu;eh, we're not trying to requalify him into a salesman over here.
1661380;1495676959;gabriel_laddel_p;and will give a better prediction / faster convergence than PRNGs
1661381;1495676962;mircea_popescu;let the man do his ada rsa
1661382;1495676971;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: we even had a thread about this
1661383;1495676992;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: what, the geiger counter NN training, or another one?
1661384;1495676996;asciilifeform;fwiw worx great . but they'd rather use intel's.
1661385;1495677009;asciilifeform;because , for instance, they already have one.
1661386;1495677009;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: and you say this with what basis?
1661387;1495677020;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: you specifically talked to who?
1661388;1495677037;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: do you have numbers for convergence with FG vs intel PRNG?
1661389;1495677045;gabriel_laddel_p;for MNIST or the like?
1661390;1495677055;gabriel_laddel_p;I was planning on selling FG using this, but have a lot on my plate
1661391;1495677082;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: interested in selling on commission perchance
1661392;1495677087;asciilifeform;?
1661393;1495677111;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: not in my present state, and certainly not without numbers
1661394;1495677122;gabriel_laddel_p;I'm happy to compute myself, but am having a hard time convincing ppl to buy me FG
1661395;1495677128;gabriel_laddel_p;have tried, and tried and tried
1661396;1495677136;gabriel_laddel_p;no no, they'd rather buy several months worth of soylent
1661397;1495677138;gabriel_laddel_p;fucking retards
1661398;1495677138;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: want couplea GB of output
1661399;1495677140;gabriel_laddel_p;jesus fuck
1661400;1495677159;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p can just use eg mod6 's dataset ? should be ~6gb i expect
1661401;1495677161;asciilifeform;theoretically you dun need a physical unit, for such a test
1661402;1495677167;asciilifeform;aha !!
1661403;1495677191;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: capital idea!
1661404;1495677199;asciilifeform;paging mod6
1661405;1495677267;mircea_popescu;now to see if he deleted it lol.
1661406;1495677284;asciilifeform;i or he or even mircea_popescu can make moar..
1661407;1495677314;asciilifeform;and whole buncha folx here
1661408;1495677318;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: diva send the x61? I have someone waiting on me to deliver a masamune atop it
1661409;1495677326;gabriel_laddel_p;and have already taken 300 of his dollars
1661410;1495677339;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: it's crated but not out yet
1661411;1495677362;asciilifeform;busy week.
1661412;1495677497;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: FG does, ftr, ~7kB/s.
1661413;1495677523;asciilifeform;( slightly more, or slightly less, depending on room temp )
1661414;1495677597;asciilifeform;there is also some variation in the analogue components.
1661415;1495677680;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661215 < the end of this thread was MP noting that if you wanted a boat, buy it when the Korean shipping firm imploded, else stuff.
1661416;1495677680;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 00:18 mircea_popescu: eh, my recollection of the discussion is, "there's houseboat and there's yacht. there's no batshit-nonsense for the ~same reason there's no golf club cum baseball bat cum tennis racket."
1661417;1495677694;gabriel_laddel_p;*stfu
1661418;1495677795;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: i dun need an iron thing built to last for 10y and eating $1000 diesel to move 10km, for anything
1661419;1495677909;asciilifeform;why not suggest an old boeing, while at it.
1661420;1495677914;phf;can presumably spec out the thing by noting all the instances of "omg, i definitely not don't need X that does Y what are you stupid" and building a constraint rules out of them
1661421;1495677986;asciilifeform;phf: i specced 'sub-50kusd machine in which one can live and NOT near scum', i dun care if boat, could be an orbital capsule if such existed.
1661422;1495677993;asciilifeform;or teleporter, ditto
1661423;1495678050;asciilifeform;and live like man, not monkey
1661424;1495678105;asciilifeform;which means, yes, 'q' size bed, at minimal, and desk, and hermetic seal, etc
1661425;1495678143;asciilifeform;this may or may not be feasible with current tech. but is imho a legit technical problem.
1661426;1495678172;asciilifeform;rather than a 'stfu, idiot, you asked for philosopher's stone'
1661427;1495678221;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506447
1661428;1495678221;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 22:30 mircea_popescu: if the sheep found a way to graze on rafts, the wolves would ride around in speedboats.
1661429;1495678249;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: ocean is pretty big.
1661430;1495678256;asciilifeform;don't be a sheep, don't flock.
1661431;1495678265;asciilifeform;mean free wolf path will be long.
1661432;1495678432;asciilifeform;fact remains, pirate density is higher on land, than at sea.
1661433;1495678439;asciilifeform;afaik everywhere.
1661434;1495679686;phf;i don't have enough experience with open ocean sailing, but the ocean is not as big as you think, as far as pirate avoidance is concerned, because of the currents. you have stable streams, that are essentially mandatory for long distance travel. piracy has been traditionally carried out at various locations where these currents terminate or switch. if you're primarily relying on wind (and there's only so much gas your little boat will carry), you will
1661435;1495679686;phf;be at huge disadvantage if you're attempting to avoid slipstreams.
1661436;1495679734;phf;so you basically have a choice between traveling along known paths (that will connect land to land, or near land)
1661437;1495679763;phf;or sitting without wind and current in the middle of nowhere, praying that you have enough gas to take you to a closest stream
1661438;1495679876;phf;(all of this is pretty obvious, if you ask yourself, how did you have so many skirmishes during the age of exploration, given how big the ocean is and how few vessels compared to now were on the surface)
1661439;1495679881;asciilifeform;phf: there is also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596880
1661440;1495679881;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 03:32 mircea_popescu: famous russian gun commentator guy explains this cannonicaly, imo. "thief - wants to get loot. not to die with you there."
1661441;1495679993;asciilifeform;afaik modern pirates deal in tankers, which are valuable ( and insured + unarmed ) and not car-sized yachts, likewise
1661442;1495680056;asciilifeform;incidentally this here is another possible minus of 'old tanker as houseboat' idea. picture the pirates. they might shoot you out of sheer frustration...
1661443;1495680073;asciilifeform;'wtf, this thing is empty'
1661444;1495680106;phf;considering that the thing is designed for fambly, shooting will be a mercy
1661445;1495680170;asciilifeform;btw orlol never mentions kingstons, and imho they are the most important control on any serious boat!111
1661446;1495680270;asciilifeform;incidentally if you're gonna diesel, it ought to be in a sub ( or at least 'narco sub', no moar than half metre above water )
1661447;1495680286;asciilifeform;i know of 0 subs overtaken by pirates of any description...
1661448;1495680399;phf;yes, but what about the kraken
1661449;1495680460;asciilifeform;the kraken is sadly inescapable.
1661450;1495680674;mircea_popescu;phf the "constraint" resultant strictly determines the item as a psychological rather than physical constructy.
1661451;1495680814;mircea_popescu;he wants to pay ~what pvc costs per the weight for an ocean-going item. it's not unlike me speccing "i want computer made out of seminole grain. they can make pasta out of it, why not computer."
1661452;1495680923;mircea_popescu;not tom ention the part where it's "Car-sized" on the outside and "q-bed sized" on the inside.
1661453;1495681121;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> not sure, possibly nobody gave a shit. << iirc no websites for either existed at the time of listing.
1661454;1495681611;mod6;<+asciilifeform> paging mod6 << +gabriel_laddel_p, I've got 'em.
1661455;1495681736;mod6;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it.  I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb.  What is your bid?
1661456;1495681736;jhvh1;mod6: The operation succeeded.
1661457;1495681864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the yacht i visited recently had 2 ~q - beds and was externally not larger than three BingoBoingo-trucks stacked vertically
1661458;1495681876;asciilifeform;'car-sized' is flexible thing. car-footprint.
1661459;1495682092;asciilifeform;and yes, i'd expect to pay ~materials by weight~ cost, considering that thread was about a hypothetical boat that ~one builds with own hands~
1661460;1495682107;asciilifeform;( because it is intrinsically 'antisheep' item and will NEVER exist as industrial output )
1661461;1495682205;asciilifeform;exactly like how mircea_popescu gets food finer than the finest, costliest cook could reliably make for him for money
1661462;1495682225;asciilifeform;there is ~nothing~ that can remotely hold a candle to craftsmanship-with-your-own-hands-for-your-own-fucking-self
1661463;1495682289;mod6;asciilifeform: also, re 'wires', indeed, just experiment at this point, not for battlefield use.
1661464;1495682295;asciilifeform;even, for instance, the keyboard asciilifeform is using at this moment, took a man-month of asciilifeform
1661465;1495682300;asciilifeform;and cannot be had for any price at all
1661466;1495682303;asciilifeform;anywhere
1661467;1495682345;asciilifeform;and i'm quite satisfied with it, and wouldn't trade it for any industrially-produced supposedly-equivalent item.
1661468;1495682349;asciilifeform;ditto gentoo.
1661469;1495682366;asciilifeform;there is no substitute, i will probably die still using my current gentoo.
1661470;1495682384;asciilifeform;and certainly no 'one size fits all' jobsworth-made substitute
1661471;1495682398;asciilifeform;is even in principle possible, or worth contemplating
1661472;1495682417;*;mod6 recently gotn kinesis advantage 2
1661473;1495682452;mod6;it's got the cherry mx reds.  been using it for a month.  im getting used to it.
1661474;1495682461;*;asciilifeform can't stand cherry switches
1661475;1495682492;mod6;which ones does alf like?
1661476;1495682498;asciilifeform;ibm 'F'
1661477;1495682511;asciilifeform;or, at the very worst, 'white alps'
1661478;1495682535;asciilifeform;(veeery distant 2nd)
1661479;1495682562;mod6;is there any specific model you use/prefer?
1661480;1495682596;mod6;i.e. 3179, 3270, ... etc.
1661481;1495682633;asciilifeform;F.
1661482;1495682662;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/IBM_Model_F_122.png << subj
1661483;1495682672;asciilifeform;not to be confused with a certain visually-identical model-m
1661484;1495682675;asciilifeform;this one has 0 rubber in it.
1661485;1495682681;asciilifeform;and 0 rivets.
1661486;1495682718;mod6;ah
1661487;1495682743;asciilifeform;if you ever manage to get hold of one, it'll need 1) paint strip 2) paint job, on 6 pieces 3) entirely new electronics 4) ultrasonic cleaning 5) calibration
1661488;1495682763;asciilifeform;mine also got rf-shield paint on all internals, for good measure (wai not)
1661489;1495682807;asciilifeform;oh and i oughta mention, getting the thing together requires woodworker's clamps and just-so nudge'shove, takes 5-6 tries, during each of which all 122 keys fall out and separate into spring, anvil...
1661490;1495682821;asciilifeform;not for faint-of-heart..
1661491;1495682889;phf;mod6: i used that one for a long time with arensito layout (http://www.pvv.org/~hakonhal/main.cgi/keyboard). still the most pleasant typing experience i've had, but was also entirely antisocial, i.e. couldn't use any other keyboards at all
1661492;1495682917;asciilifeform;the up-side : 1) incomparable ( at least i cannot describe it in words ) feel of 'click'  2) theoretically eternal board. there are NO electrical contacts exposed, it works on electric fields.
1661493;1495682929;asciilifeform;you can bathe it..
1661494;1495682960;asciilifeform;phf: that resembles naggum's layout
1661495;1495682962;asciilifeform;interesting.
1661496;1495682973;asciilifeform;( he had 'special' chars in middle column )
1661497;1495683003;mod6;phf: aha. even with qwerty on the kinesis, it still messes me up a bit now on regular staggard row layouts.  i never tried alt layouts such as dvorak since a friend went through the same thing.  always found himself having to switch everyone elses keyboard to dvorak just to "use" their keyboard for a minute.
1661498;1495683009;phf;yeah, there's actually some "modern" qwerty modification that puts special chars on middle column
1661499;1495683085;phf;but the big insight of arensito is to move all the special chars into an additional mode. so parenthesis are for example on altgr-k altgr-l etc.
1661500;1495683095;asciilifeform;this sounds like agony
1661501;1495683110;phf;not on kinesis
1661502;1495683115;asciilifeform;modes == agony
1661503;1495683128;*;asciilifeform doesn't vi, either
1661504;1495683132;phf;your modifiers are under your thumb, and you chord
1661505;1495683141;asciilifeform;why not have 10-key chorder then.
1661506;1495683145;asciilifeform;if yer gonna chord.
1661507;1495683153;asciilifeform;as it is, sounds like worst of both worlds.
1661508;1495683163;phf;~sounds~ is the keyword here
1661509;1495683190;asciilifeform;i had a keyboard where you had to press 'fn' to turn numbers into Fs
1661510;1495683193;asciilifeform;it was a misery
1661511;1495683203;asciilifeform;and never, ever stopped.
1661512;1495683205;phf;yes, but it's nothing like the item in question
1661513;1495683213;asciilifeform;how does this chord differ ?
1661514;1495683216;mod6;i vi/m, and i have to say that with the kinesis, the tiny ESC key bugs me.  so i remap ESC to the right thumb ctrl key, and the 'OS' key to ctrl.
1661515;1495683234;asciilifeform;the only legit justification for chords is not-having-to-move-fingers-laterally
1661516;1495683240;asciilifeform;hence 10key kbd
1661517;1495683262;phf;you already chord to get to any of the special symbols, when you press shift
1661518;1495683284;phf;unless you have unchorded specials, and you use number keypad for numbers, but then you have hell of lateral travel
1661519;1495683286;asciilifeform;i remap '[' ']' to '(' ')' when lisp
1661520;1495683289;asciilifeform;phf didn't ?!
1661521;1495683298;phf;sure, but the rest
1661522;1495683326;asciilifeform;other specials not so useful in lisp
1661523;1495683340;phf;but you chord.
1661524;1495683351;asciilifeform;i also chord to get greek, sure
1661525;1495683363;asciilifeform;but i would stop if i could!
1661526;1495683377;phf;well, it's a trade off between that, and travel distance
1661527;1495683379;asciilifeform;would happily have 3 'stories' of kbd, like organ.
1661528;1495683413;asciilifeform;for a while i had pedals. threw'em out because mechanically infuriatingly poor quality
1661529;1495683448;asciilifeform;( and -- perhaps like oceanic boat -- this is a MUCH trickier object to hand-craft than you might think )
1661530;1495683521;asciilifeform;key modes, imho, are like the topmost shelf in bookcase in a house with proper (19th c euro) ceiling height -- a place for rarely-used things
1661531;1495683538;phf;you're either chording or traveling. there's only enough space for alphabet there. naggum's hack is that he puts opening parts of { [ ( pairs on the middle row, but he still has to chord for closing. (he presumably uses electric mode)
1661532;1495683573;asciilifeform;iirc he had ( and ) both in there. but could be wrong.
1661533;1495683586;asciilifeform;( if he didn't, i have nfi why not ! )
1661534;1495683594;phf;not enough space!
1661535;1495683603;asciilifeform;throw out some rubbish
1661536;1495683611;phf;like?
1661537;1495683617;asciilifeform;$ .
1661538;1495683625;asciilifeform;or @ .
1661539;1495683638;asciilifeform;or ; .
1661540;1495683647;phf;those are chorded AND you have to travel
1661541;1495683671;asciilifeform;what did he have in there ? phf do you have the original article handy ?
1661542;1495683733;phf;no, and i think it was in emacs group, so no xach archive
1661543;1495683740;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack : imho naggum's mega-insight was that the hands have 0 business being so close together as they typically are, and that the space ~between~ them oughta contain specials
1661544;1495683764;asciilifeform;phf: afaik xach has all usenet posts from naggum in all public groups
1661545;1495683769;asciilifeform;and certainly the keyboard
1661546;1495683814;phf;definitely not "all public groups" but maybe the keyboard is there
1661547;1495683863;phf;he basically just took the naggum posts from ron garret's complete(-ish) archive of comp.lang.lisp
1661548;1495683900;asciilifeform;>> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244633165773164@naggum.no.html <<
1661549;1495683942;phf;Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
1661550;1495683963;phf;“ and then you tell your keyboard driver og X or  whatever that you have placed the parens {} [] () and <> (unshifted and  shifted) in what used to be the 6YHN colum”
1661551;1495683972;asciilifeform;funnily enough, my 'f' gives me 24 'extra' keyz, of which i've only to date used a few ! ( to make the missing f11, f12, esc, printscr, scrollock )
1661552;1495683982;asciilifeform;the rest, yet unused, because in a shithole, rather than where i want'em
1661553;1495684005;mod6;speaking of special keys in the middle, i suppose one could remap all of the maltron keys into the middle.
1661554;1495684016;asciilifeform;this even with not having to use x configs for anything, as i have custom micro in there with custom fw
1661555;1495684122;asciilifeform;not being able to physically relocate the keys, is frustrating.
1661556;1495684133;mod6;i considered getting one of these, but i wanted to try the concave thing first on something ~half the cost.
1661557;1495684185;asciilifeform;( i would , for instance, put a whole column of -- yes, modal!111 -- bitsetter 'metas' b/w the left-F block and `/tab/ctrl/shift/ctrl
1661558;1495684187;asciilifeform;)
1661559;1495684208;asciilifeform;e.g. 'greek', 'graph', 'rus/lat'
1661560;1495684357;asciilifeform;while we're on 'ideals', it'd be also spiffy to have a kbd with ~0~ plastic anywhere.
1661561;1495684379;mod6;like all alum or steel?
1661562;1495684384;asciilifeform;stainless.
1661563;1495684390;asciilifeform;or better yet, inconel.
1661564;1495684438;mod6;if anyone could make one, it'd be you.
1661565;1495684450;asciilifeform;well not me, but a similar d00d who lives longer.
1661566;1495684465;asciilifeform;and with money.
1661567;1495684517;asciilifeform;funny how folx will spend quadrillions on idiot veblenisms and 0 on actual quality.
1661568;1495684529;asciilifeform;and then pete_dushenski et al are mega-surprised when they buy porche and it's plastic.
1661569;1495684596;mod6;looks like they make stainless keyboards for industrial use
1661570;1495684605;asciilifeform;rubber domes inside, mod6
1661571;1495684609;asciilifeform;i have one in storage.
1661572;1495684622;asciilifeform;they are used in 'internet kiosks' etc.
1661573;1495684631;mod6;ah
1661574;1495684656;asciilifeform;idea being 'vandal-proofing' rather than finest-kbd-money-can-buy
1661575;1495684668;mod6;gotcha
1661576;1495686993;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661370 << They do indeed. Three point hitch. For small applications sleeve hitch and weight work.
1661577;1495686993;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 01:44 mircea_popescu: plowing tractors have special hydraulics to keep it in. lot of force, more than the pull.
1661578;1495687082;BingoBoingo;lol, gabriel proposes alf secretary for a single benji while declining recurring and unbounded income to audience he proposed
1661579;1495687173;trinque;pretty sure the chatter about this or that grandiose item is the whole bag.
1661580;1495689350;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661455 << ahahaha sec!
1661581;1495689351;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 03:08 mod6: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it.  I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb.  What is your bid?
1661582;1495690392;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661461 << boatwright will still require good quality wood, and other things. and making a boat (unless it's viking style, which is no good in ocean) requires ~a lifetime. the limit on the age of sail was early industrial process.
1661583;1495690392;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform: exactly like how mircea_popescu gets food finer than the finest, costliest cook could reliably make for him for money
1661584;1495690405;mircea_popescu;basically you picked the simplest one thing that dun work.
1661585;1495690435;mircea_popescu;no man ever made a galleon, you understand, nor a manowar. these are made by 100s of people labouring over long hard years.
1661586;1495690459;mircea_popescu;what man can make with own two hands i have seen, it's a pleasure to ride, it sells for loads of money, but to fuck in the thing you have to be young and she has to be flexible.
1661587;1495690877;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661567 << this has something to do with how http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661230
1661588;1495690877;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 03:55 asciilifeform: funny how folx will spend quadrillions on idiot veblenisms and 0 on actual quality.
1661589;1495690877;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 00:56 asciilifeform: those aristos died of stupidity-- thinking that they were exempt from having to learn about money, similarly to modern brahmins 'exemption' from crypto
1661590;1495690894;mircea_popescu;those dudes DID in fact pursue all sorts of (their version of) actual quality.
1661591;1495690898;mircea_popescu;but had no clue of money.
1661592;1495697778;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661455 << ahahaha sec! << heheh, think it's a bad idea?
1661593;1495697778;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 03:08 mod6: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it.  I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb.  What is your bid?
1661594;1495697800;mod6;Anyway, for that kinda asking price, i'd figure he could buy a bunch for himself anyway.
1661595;1495698338;BingoBoingo;But will he ever see the numbers YOURS produced in that GB?
1661596;1495698386;BingoBoingo;How many eons will he have to run his many potential FG to collide over a GB of data yours produced?
1661597;1495698399;BingoBoingo;How many universes will be born and die in that time"
1661598;1495698404;BingoBoingo;?
1661599;1495698734;mod6;ya lost me there.
1661600;1495698766;mod6;anyway, the -otc days maybe came and went a long time ago.  so gabriel_laddel_p might be sol.
1661601;1495698984;mod6;anyway, im wiped.
1661602;1495698988;mod6;night!
1661603;1495699646;trinque;"Suggested for you ?? Houston's top prostitution hot spots" >> not bad, google news
1661604;1495699651;trinque;finally worth a damn
1661605;1495703360;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661290 << i can relate (in that I hate this world and everybody in it -- really. everybody. to be alone and sustaining would be heaven), and the answer is the Bible. I'm not saying you should stop doing the great work that you do. but that there is relief in the way you dream of in the world that is to come, if you are made to believe. If God could change my mind on this matter (which he did, i wa
1661606;1495703360;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 01:15 asciilifeform: 100% physically closed cycle, motherfuckers, on mars, if i could!1111
1661607;1495703407;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661461 << i eat this well. I buy food at the "oh that's too expensive" health food store (rather than the chain super market), and I cook it all myself (which I am very good at). It is expensive, sorta -- if you don't factor in the health care I don't have to pay for (because I don't get sick). if i ever found a girl worth marrying i could easily teach her how to do same, and have similar setup to
1661608;1495703407;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform: exactly like how mircea_popescu gets food finer than the finest, costliest cook could reliably make for him for money
1661609;1495704250;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Do you grow any portion of your own food yet?
1661610;1495704279;danielpbarron;no
1661611;1495704376;BingoBoingo;It's an enjoyable past time. Plants take manure up front, but composted so less smell. Livestock constantly produces fresh smelly manure on the other avenue.
1661612;1495704421;danielpbarron;the way i figure, i'm locked into this undesirable location enough with what technical goods i possess. if it got so bad i couldn't buy proper raw ingredients anymore, i'd be better off moving elsewhere anyway, which i would like to do before such an extreme situation
1661613;1495704454;danielpbarron;but shopping and cooking takes a lot of time from my day. i'm sure gardening would take more time than my shopping
1661614;1495704523;BingoBoingo;Still, an indeterminate type tomato in a planter is hard to turn into a -ev proposition. "Juliet" cultivar in a 14 inch container produces a lot of produce
1661615;1495704584;shinohai;Tomatoes (or the smallest of gardens, for that matter) have never been -ev thing for me, ever.
1661616;1495704591;danielpbarron;that's true, i could probably do tomato with ease. and I recently got into making my own red sauce so this might be worth considering
1661617;1495704605;BingoBoingo;And if it exceeds parachute's weight limit, minimal pain should you abandon it.
1661618;1495704630;danielpbarron;what do you recommend for seed sources?
1661619;1495704631;BingoBoingo;Look into Juliet, San Marzano, and Roma in that order.
1661620;1495704641;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Burpee's fine
1661621;1495704661;danielpbarron;hm, ok
1661622;1495704674;BingoBoingo;For seed sources you just want true to type, high germination rate, and no shitty extras
1661623;1495704783;BingoBoingo;This late in the season in your neck of the woods probably safest to get a plant that's already started. One or two of the ubiquitous "Bonnie" 4 in peat pot starter plants would be fine and run ~2.50-4 USD a piece and give you a roughly 2 month head start.
1661624;1495704823;BingoBoingo;At that size it will have outgrown any objectionable pesticides by the time its fruiting
1661625;1495704857;BingoBoingo;And starting seeds can swiftly turn into the expensive part of very small scale tomato'ing
1661626;1495704882;*;diana_coman planted cucumbers and the like last year simply for the child to see; not a lot of time spent on it, no
1661627;1495704916;BingoBoingo;Nice
1661628;1495704918;diana_coman;fwiw I have yet to meet someone who cooks for themselves who doesn't consider they cook "very well" (or better); it's when cooking for others that one can really tell whether they are good at it or not
1661629;1495704923;BingoBoingo;anything come out of the sukes?
1661630;1495704951;BingoBoingo;*cukes?
1661631;1495704963;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, hm?
1661632;1495704976;BingoBoingo;The cucumbers? Were any eaten?
1661633;1495704991;diana_coman;ha ha, of course; kid got them from the plant, washed, ate, what
1661634;1495705000;BingoBoingo;Awesome.
1661635;1495705083;danielpbarron;yes that's true. when scaling up the ratios have to change a little.
1661636;1495705133;danielpbarron;but i have made food for others and they agree it is good
1661637;1495705141;danielpbarron;one of which is in the WoT
1661638;1495705215;diana_coman;good; I'm just a bit surprised of all the emphasis here on ...cooking, lol; granted, I grew up with cooking being just usual everyday thing to do, just like waking up, washing etc but still
1661639;1495705234;danielpbarron;also, i have eaten at every restaurant worth the mention in this state and i can say honestly my food is on par or better than the top three
1661640;1495705261;diana_coman;and yes, 4 year old child routinely helps in the kitchen too, not a big deal; cutting stuff, mixing dough etc
1661641;1495705292;danielpbarron;which perhaps says more of the horrible state of restaurants in this area. it shouldn't be the case that i can produce better than the professionals
1661642;1495705318;diana_coman;I would agree with that, yes
1661643;1495705699;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, the cucumber plant was actually quite a hero: made dozens of cucumbers BUT it grew them to full size/ripened them *one at a time*; not an easy task apparently to make wholesome things even under rather favourable conditions as it were
1661644;1495711097;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AA0E14A40E2D0C353FF9EFD8008DE6D88BB77D8EF900D6E1C0A8E319D83C2C6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29438546853896140597050345206079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital (Test2) <shavital@mac.com>; '
1661645;1495719120;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661582 << this is screamingly irrelevant to modern world -- why the everliving fuck would i want to use wood ?! or to cut it by hand?!!
1661646;1495719120;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661461 << boatwright will still require good quality wood, and other things. and making a boat (unless it's viking style, which is no good in ocean) requires ~a lifetime. the limit on the age of sail was early industrial process.
1661647;1495719182;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661585 << these 'long hard years' people did not have laser cutters, water-jet cutters, ABS plastic & other modern nearly-indestructible (and intrinsically-buoyant ! in some cases) materials
1661648;1495719182;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu: no man ever made a galleon, you understand, nor a manowar. these are made by 100s of people labouring over long hard years.
1661649;1495719248;asciilifeform;they did not have modern metallurgy, either ( there are metals that will laugh at a thousand years of salt water, e.g. hastelloy )
1661650;1495719272;asciilifeform;all of this -- exists. and it did not, 100 yrs ago.
1661651;1495719321;asciilifeform;hull, for instance, can be from epoxy.
1661652;1495719673;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661586 << you won't see a plastic boat , or one that is 8m wide, or pykrete, or any of the other technologies eschewed by the veblenists
1661653;1495719673;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 05:34 mircea_popescu: what man can make with own two hands i have seen, it's a pleasure to ride, it sells for loads of money, but to fuck in the thing you have to be young and she has to be flexible.
1661654;1495719684;asciilifeform;but there is nothing physically impossible about these.
1661655;1495720103;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661641 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661462
1661656;1495720103;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 09:41 danielpbarron: which perhaps says more of the horrible state of restaurants in this area. it shouldn't be the case that i can produce better than the professionals
1661657;1495720103;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 03:17 asciilifeform: there is ~nothing~ that can remotely hold a candle to craftsmanship-with-your-own-hands-for-your-own-fucking-self
1661658;1495720244;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661644 << i probably oughta pollard-rho these and be done with it
1661659;1495720244;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 11:18 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AA0E14A40E2D0C353FF9EFD8008DE6D88BB77D8EF900D6E1C0A8E319D83C2C6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29438546853896140597050345206079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital (Test2) <shavital@mac.com>; '
1661660;1495720267;asciilifeform;right now an entire day in the week is reversed for '8ball', and the result is always these, 'make the rubble bounce'
1661661;1495720283;asciilifeform;imho it's a waste ( and it eats entire cpu core at all times also )
1661662;1495720335;mircea_popescu;possibly yeah
1661663;1495720349;asciilifeform;( incidentally, dontcha wonder what ELSE will break when i pollard-rho and pollard-rhominusone ?! )
1661664;1495720365;asciilifeform;all them folx who skimped on 'test p-1 and q-1'
1661665;1495720397;mircea_popescu;could be interesting.
1661666;1495720407;mircea_popescu;does sound like a better use of resources than further increasing 8ball.
1661667;1495720421;asciilifeform;it's in the pipeline.
1661668;1495720425;mircea_popescu;it's utility is mostly for small (ie, under 10^9 or something) factors imo
1661669;1495720432;asciilifeform;more interestingly,
1661670;1495720510;asciilifeform;there is a variant where you nail large-factored N, where p*q=n and p-1 or q-1 have small factors.
1661671;1495720598;mircea_popescu;sure, complete description of already found vulnerable mods can't hurt.
1661672;1495720673;asciilifeform;theoretically this set will include some (largeprime)*(largeprime) folx.
1661673;1495720683;asciilifeform;who won't be killed in any other way.
1661674;1495720709;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661592 << not in principle. maybe the reserve is a little high, maybe the concept is too soon ; certainly he can't pay and it's somewhat dubious to explain why he should. but hey, gotta start sometime/somehow/somewhere.
1661675;1495720709;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 07:36 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661455 << ahahaha sec! << heheh, think it's a bad idea?
1661676;1495720746;asciilifeform;( after this, we can plug in gpg-on-winblowsrng and enumerate the set, then bust these... )
1661677;1495720775;mircea_popescu;now THAT would be interesting.
1661678;1495720781;mircea_popescu;debian is one thing. wintel... lolk.
1661679;1495720792;mircea_popescu;i reallty wanna see if each and every eulora player actually gargles water.
1661680;1495720815;asciilifeform;i've been exploring subj as part of the shitoshi question.
1661681;1495720831;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661594 << no but see, it's more of a trade barrier than anything. the whole point of geting preexisting data was that it'd be faster and cheaper than buying chip ; and since you already have it ...
1661682;1495720831;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 07:36 mod6: Anyway, for that kinda asking price, i'd figure he could buy a bunch for himself anyway.
1661683;1495720835;asciilifeform;microshit's rng has (as of xp3) 0 hardware component.
1661684;1495720865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform definitely worth running on some of the more ocmmon luser architectures. very likely to discover 65536 wide keyspaces and shit.
1661685;1495720865;asciilifeform;entirely function of something like 700 bytes of userland.
1661686;1495720965;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661604 << how's houston prostitution go ?
1661687;1495720965;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 08:07 trinque: finally worth a damn
1661688;1495721048;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661605 << wtf do i do now. was the line cut in the original also ? or did i actually an' for the first time since this thing exists lost some bits ?
1661689;1495721048;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 09:09 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661290 << i can relate (in that I hate this world and everybody in it -- really. everybody. to be alone and sustaining would be heaven), and the answer is the Bible. I'm not saying you should stop doing the great work that you do. but that there is relief in the way you dream of in the world that is to come, if you are made to believe. If God could change my mind on this matter (which he did, i wa
1661690;1495721087;asciilifeform;missing in my log
1661691;1495721092;asciilifeform;it got snipped.
1661692;1495721107;asciilifeform;folx, don't use nonautoslicing irctrons.
1661693;1495721107;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you gotta have a talk with your client, it's not ok to cut your overlong sentences, must send as multiline.
1661694;1495721123;asciilifeform;( the one on crapple, is known offender )
1661695;1495721130;asciilifeform;'palaver'
1661696;1495721135;mircea_popescu;it's cut everywhere. confirmed.
1661697;1495721196;mircea_popescu;and in other idle chatter : http://kingsandlegends.com/ is actually quite cool. very much what a browser game should be.
1661698;1495721425;mircea_popescu;not to mention, i was some variation of "LordMircea" in pretty much every game I ever played since forever, cuz wtf you gonna do for a nick. eventually, nel mezzo del camin, reality actually alligned, and the fantastic pseudonym became simply descriptive. what can you do.
1661699;1495721579;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661612 << depends. a pig sty is no one's idea of a good time (well, with exceptions i think we have illustrated in the logs) ; but something like your own orchard is very strictly speaking land improvement, about same value as a pool (larger footprint though). they were used as such by the romans in their estate retreats, there's extant manuals, this is a well documented concept.
1661700;1495721579;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 09:27 danielpbarron: the way i figure, i'm locked into this undesirable location enough with what technical goods i possess. if it got so bad i couldn't buy proper raw ingredients anymore, i'd be better off moving elsewhere anyway, which i would like to do before such an extreme situation
1661701;1495721595;mircea_popescu;vegetable garden is a lot more fun if you make girls work it naked. i would rate such an item above the orchard.
1661702;1495721638;mircea_popescu;between these two, you've covered the (imo) proper and useful homemade substitution in the food chain. nothing wrong with buying meat from the butcher -- tho it helps immensely if he's an actual butcher, as opposed to an employee of some franchise.
1661703;1495721784;mircea_popescu;this being the major consideration -- i hire a lawyer, i don't retain a law firm. i work with accountants, not with ernst and fucking young. i much prefer to interface with the "criminals" doing actual personal banking for customers (you know, "money laundering" folks, also mentioned in say http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-63.559-6
1661704;1495721784;mircea_popescu;3.677 ) rather than the idiot banks. and so on and so following, the key imo is to trade with independents rather than corporations.
1661705;1495721821;mircea_popescu;and my idea, somewhat in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ and more generally bitcoin, is that if you stick to it, corporations wil lwither and die. they're one of those evils which can only breathe for as long as good men do nothing.
1661706;1495721975;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, i have nfi who trb node 208.94.240.42 belongs to, but it's been stuck in the 300,000s for ~ages~
1661707;1495721981;asciilifeform;at least several months, i think
1661708;1495722041;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661616 << sauce, incidentally, is the killer. don't eat the shop shit, no matter whjat it is. homemade mayo takes five minutes once you learn how to make it ; white sauce is extremely easy to make, if scary ; tomato sauce certainly doable esp if you have a sane electric stovetop. that is ALL the sauces, everything else is combinations.
1661709;1495722041;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 09:29 danielpbarron: that's true, i could probably do tomato with ease. and I recently got into making my own red sauce so this might be worth considering
1661710;1495722052;mircea_popescu;i do buy worchestershire, in fairness, but that's not properly speaking a sauce.
1661711;1495722133;asciilifeform;in other lulz, in greece, https://archive.is/lLLfT >> '...the tax authorities will be able to issue online confiscation notices and immediately get their hands on the contents of safe deposit boxes, confiscating cash, precious stones, jewelry and so on. They will also be able to confiscate shares and other securities.'
1661712;1495722137;mircea_popescu;whereas all prepackaged sauce is the same endless variation of "let's see which ways we could flavour margarine / substitutes"
1661713;1495722150;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lel.
1661714;1495722162;asciilifeform;this in re 'what happens when you use banks'
1661715;1495722166;mircea_popescu;venezueece.
1661716;1495722185;mircea_popescu;eh, i've yet to meet a greek that used their banks.
1661717;1495722198;mircea_popescu;maybe i don't get out enough.
1661718;1495722213;asciilifeform;for all i know, it's the american expats, who do it
1661719;1495722221;asciilifeform;there are idiots anywhere.
1661720;1495722267;mircea_popescu;prolly. or russian.
1661721;1495722300;mircea_popescu;though from experience russians a) never go alone (unless female, in which case they dun keep the money there anyway, if they ever get it) ; b) sorta delegate one to keep the dough.
1661722;1495722311;mircea_popescu;basically, the russians are jews.
1661723;1495722358;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661628 << ahahaah this is true innit.
1661724;1495722358;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 09:35 diana_coman: fwiw I have yet to meet someone who cooks for themselves who doesn't consider they cook "very well" (or better); it's when cooking for others that one can really tell whether they are good at it or not
1661725;1495722451;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661640 << are you kidding me, i loved to fuck around the kitchen with my mom at that age. made all sorts of engineer pies, too!
1661726;1495722451;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 09:41 diana_coman: and yes, 4 year old child routinely helps in the kitchen too, not a big deal; cutting stuff, mixing dough etc
1661727;1495722482;mircea_popescu;i suspect it should go in the "normal development handbook", 4-5 yo with no interest in mother kitchen activities is prolly under 80 iq.
1661728;1495722528;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661639 << wait, in ~connecticut~ ? they have pretty decent restaurants there, which were the top 3 ?
1661729;1495722528;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 09:40 danielpbarron: also, i have eaten at every restaurant worth the mention in this state and i can say honestly my food is on par or better than the top three
1661730;1495722557;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661643 << that's how they do it, like sicilians marry off the daughters.
1661731;1495722557;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 09:48 diana_coman: BingoBoingo, the cucumber plant was actually quite a hero: made dozens of cucumbers BUT it grew them to full size/ripened them *one at a time*; not an easy task apparently to make wholesome things even under rather favourable conditions as it were
1661732;1495722613;jurov;*sigh* i keep getting calls from an UK number, as far as I understand, he's asking something about coinbr, when I ask them to come to irc/email he just says thank you. can't even fucking text, and not possible to call back
1661733;1495722826;mircea_popescu;weird.
1661734;1495722954;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661645 << because a) wood is still, to this day, the better material for the purpose, in the sense lee sedol is the better go player. note that these WERE YOUR OWN CONSTRAINTS! you despise "made to rust iron bottoms", which is outright idiotic but in the common vein of "alf has no clue but figures he can have oppinion". you do not wish to pay the price of industrial process. you stirctly spe
1661735;1495722954;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 13:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661582 << this is screamingly irrelevant to modern world -- why the everliving fuck would i want to use wood ?! or to cut it by hand?!!
1661736;1495722955;mircea_popescu;raking said "i will use nothing but wood" yourself, as such.
1661737;1495722972;mircea_popescu;and because b) everything else is harder to work with.
1661738;1495722999;mircea_popescu;gotta decide if your idea is "nothing can beat self-same craftsmanship and i am willing to sink in the time" OR "i will sink in no time, give me whatever trhe fuck it is that takes no time and effort".
1661739;1495723034;mircea_popescu;you can't have both of these at the same time, and duck behind one or the other depending which vein of solutions for your entirely psychogenic issue masquerading orally as a "technical problem" are being suggested.
1661740;1495723051;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661725 <- ofc he loves it; I suspect it's more about having a mother who ...cooks, you know; and in general the interest thing is really more like interest in ~anything close adult does
1661741;1495723051;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 14:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661640 << are you kidding me, i loved to fuck around the kitchen with my mom at that age. made all sorts of engineer pies, too!
1661742;1495723091;mircea_popescu;diana_coman yup. also in the strange properties of materials. i once spent a half hour pouring water from one reciipeint to another.
1661743;1495723096;mircea_popescu;i think i was about 4.
1661744;1495723153;diana_coman;oooh, yeah, did that playing with water and ~all pots and pans and anything else we could find, yeah; and he plays a LOT with water & ice, pouring&smashing etc
1661745;1495723176;mircea_popescu;good, let him do it, that's one mess actually worth cleaning up.
1661746;1495723189;diana_coman;not even a mess, he's good with it : on top of bath tub
1661747;1495723192;diana_coman;he hates mess, lol
1661748;1495723209;mircea_popescu;lol sounds like you got a Framedragger in your hands.
1661749;1495723241;diana_coman;lol! neah, he's just... rather strict
1661750;1495723258;mircea_popescu;are you encoraging teh tendency ?
1661751;1495723266;diana_coman;no, not at all
1661752;1495723281;diana_coman;but he is what he is and it's not as if I don't know the thing
1661753;1495723285;*;mircea_popescu is entirely undecided whether it's good or bad trait.
1661754;1495723311;diana_coman;quite on the contrary really - I rather push so that he sees alternatives are also *possible and fine*
1661755;1495723335;diana_coman;not against it as such, but as ...alternative; not the end of the world etc
1661756;1495723345;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661647 << neither do you. for that matter, these are not actually useful for craftsman ; they are useful for mass producer.
1661757;1495723345;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 13:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661585 << these 'long hard years' people did not have laser cutters, water-jet cutters, ABS plastic & other modern nearly-indestructible (and intrinsically-buoyant ! in some cases) materials
1661758;1495723356;mircea_popescu;diana_coman a yeah, makes sense.
1661759;1495723453;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the places where craftsmanship makes sense are eg the tomato planters discussed above. yes they have tractors that plow, but these tractors do not plow planters. EXACT same principle applies making boats -- or for that matter silicone. you somehow seem to understand that if you want "artisanal computer" the correct approach is mechanical calculator ; and if you want oceanworth computer gotta have the foundry, ra
1661760;1495723453;mircea_popescu;ther than some bits and pieces of a foundry installed in your kitchen.
1661761;1495723481;mircea_popescu;boats are exactly thje same, which is why my http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661584 comment.
1661762;1495723481;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu: basically you picked the simplest one thing that dun work.
1661763;1495723863;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can get plastic panels from foundry.
1661764;1495723903;mircea_popescu;as a substitute of drywall.
1661765;1495723909;mircea_popescu;they're not rated for the fucking ocean.
1661766;1495723918;asciilifeform;as substitute for idiot veblenwood.
1661767;1495723929;asciilifeform;abs is ~indestructible.
1661768;1495723933;mircea_popescu;plastic IS used in boatsmaking, but it is specially made plastic, for the purpose.
1661769;1495723953;asciilifeform;as for epoxy, it is same one as in everybody's toolbox.
1661770;1495723958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform problem is not how destructibvle it is, problem is that it's ~unjoinable. plastic boarts are generaslly whole hull.
1661771;1495723967;asciilifeform;join with epoxy.
1661772;1495723973;mircea_popescu;glhf.
1661773;1495723975;asciilifeform;can buy by the tonne.
1661774;1495724006;mircea_popescu;one day i want to see your "plain glass lenses cemented with cyanoacrylate -- it's transparent!!1" collection of telescopes.
1661775;1495724013;mircea_popescu;i bet it shows one hell of an astronomical world.
1661776;1495724037;asciilifeform;aaactually
1661777;1495724097;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-13#1655405 <<
1661778;1495724097;a111;Logged on 2017-05-13 22:02 asciilifeform: and holyfuq, the norland thing took almost hour of uv to cure, vs the advertised 10sec
1661779;1495724210;asciilifeform;point is, i can and do routinely make, with own hands, items otherwise thought to be 'megabux, megawatt' ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 )
1661780;1495724210;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
1661781;1495724229;asciilifeform;all you gotta do is to piss on 'best practice'.
1661782;1495724235;mircea_popescu;there's no argument against that ; nor is there any argument against the principle.
1661783;1495724254;mircea_popescu;but just because you're the prince of alflandia does not mean you can simply walk into an unknown barrio and talk smack at the locals.
1661784;1495724265;mircea_popescu;which is what you're doing. you wanna go there, go there. intel, muscle, the works.
1661785;1495724272;asciilifeform;at the veblenwood folx? yes i can.
1661786;1495724284;mircea_popescu;no, at the "boat making" folks.
1661787;1495724291;asciilifeform;they're ridiculous.
1661788;1495724299;asciilifeform;golden toilet people.
1661789;1495724302;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what veblenwood is supposed to be, nor is it part of this conversation.
1661790;1495724323;asciilifeform;the wood that a proper boat supposedly 'must' be made of.
1661791;1495724329;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'll need more basis for that besides "i'm alf and i dun like it". the ocean's been there longer than you have.
1661792;1495724333;asciilifeform;instead of abs.
1661793;1495724352;mircea_popescu;how did you pick abs rather than i dunno, duralumin ?
1661794;1495724367;mircea_popescu;this bad habit of having a firm idea of the solution to a problem you don't either understand or bother specifying.
1661795;1495724371;asciilifeform;cuts with laser economically.
1661796;1495724379;asciilifeform;and -- floats.
1661797;1495724382;asciilifeform;unsinkable.
1661798;1495724398;mircea_popescu;oh i see, you're one of those, will build spaceship out of cheese and power with fresh milk because you got a dairy farm ?
1661799;1495724404;mircea_popescu;vorwarts, soviet!
1661800;1495724405;jurov;why they don't build houses with plastic sheets and epoxy, then?
1661801;1495724414;mircea_popescu;jurov or girlfriends.
1661802;1495724432;asciilifeform;jurov -- i live in a mostly plastic house..
1661803;1495724456;mircea_popescu;and love it.
1661804;1495724468;mircea_popescu;oh wait, you don't love it, but it's cheap.
1661805;1495724471;mircea_popescu;o no wait, it's not cheap either.
1661806;1495724475;mircea_popescu;alfie... you gots a problem here.
1661807;1495724487;asciilifeform;not cheap because lizards pocket the cost diff
1661808;1495724499;asciilifeform;strictly.
1661809;1495724516;mircea_popescu;you mean the same lizards who provide the fire dept services your "house" utterly needs ?
1661810;1495724541;mircea_popescu;tell you what, if boats were made of plastic the MTBS would be a week, and the "lizards" runnin the coast guard would charge you.
1661811;1495724549;asciilifeform;lolneeds, if it ever caught fire, poseidon could not put it out.
1661812;1495724557;mircea_popescu;next one over.
1661813;1495724565;asciilifeform;same.
1661814;1495724586;mircea_popescu;no. this is what fd does in "ourdemocracy" : like in latin empire, demolishes the one on fire to save the ones not yet caught.
1661815;1495724594;mircea_popescu;and they ALSO charge what that cost in rome. ~whole value of house.
1661816;1495724607;mircea_popescu;things work the way they work because that's the way they work not because alien dragons from outer space.
1661817;1495724637;asciilifeform;crypto. QED
1661818;1495724711;jurov;btw, why not just raft from pet bottles?
1661819;1495724728;asciilifeform;jurov: trololol
1661820;1495724734;mircea_popescu;ostensibly doesn't fit a queen bed.
1661821;1495724745;asciilifeform;or keep books dry.
1661822;1495724747;mircea_popescu;though honestly, could also be made of pet bottles, arranged the other way. that'd help buoyancy!
1661823;1495724756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform get larger pets for books.
1661824;1495724766;mircea_popescu;could build an entire ~sub, nothing but bottles
1661825;1495724776;mircea_popescu;truly unsinkable, also, because so what if you lose a few cells.
1661826;1495724785;asciilifeform;if this is an argument, bottle is a boat
1661827;1495724809;mircea_popescu;this is way the fuck better than anything you came up with so far, and we're not even trying. nor pretending to be keeping a blog about it, a la orlol.
1661828;1495724829;asciilifeform;saying dun make it so.
1661829;1495724842;mircea_popescu;yeah, exactly.
1661830;1495724854;asciilifeform;fact : boat != wood, and din have to cut by hand.
1661831;1495724880;mircea_popescu;eh, again with this. no, boat != wood. boat AS DEFINED BY ALF, however, = wood.
1661832;1495724924;asciilifeform;'what i say 3 times is true', classic mircea_popescu
1661833;1495724944;mircea_popescu;remember ? you didn't like the correct solution (metal) because... you don't have a cnc mill. and that's a fucking criteria in design now, what the fuck engineer has lying about and perceives underutilized, esp if he happens to thin kit's cvool.
1661834;1495724954;asciilifeform;because rust
1661835;1495724959;mircea_popescu;then you come and whine about all the boost in bitcoin and all the java everywhere. guess what ? they were building alfboatsd
1661836;1495724962;mircea_popescu;abs floats!!1
1661837;1495724973;asciilifeform;aerated.
1661838;1495724992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because your brain dun work. half the roofs in the world are made of metal, no rust. if you get operated on they'll uyse what, fucking abs tools ? "oh, can cut with laser!11"
1661839;1495725019;mircea_popescu;industrial corrosive contaioners are all metal, from 10 gallon milk jugs to what have you. rust my fucking left food omfg.
1661840;1495725033;asciilifeform;teflonated, mir
1661841;1495725038;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu:
1661842;1495725042;mircea_popescu;hurr durr. buy a teflonating laser.
1661843;1495725053;mircea_popescu;it'll be better for boatbuilding than the plastic cutting item.
1661844;1495725054;asciilifeform;it doesn't hurt to do yer homework
1661845;1495725061;mircea_popescu;dude...
1661846;1495725093;asciilifeform;also i did not specify which laser. point is that it does not take '100 men, for years'
1661847;1495725100;mircea_popescu;what doesn't ?
1661848;1495725105;asciilifeform;boat
1661849;1495725115;asciilifeform;of any reasonable size
1661850;1495725133;phf;afaik they already build boats out of abs (cheap leisure boats, entry level yachts, as well as high end competitive stuff). in all cases it's different abs, and not necessarily stuff you buy from conveyer (stuff you buy from conveyer cracks)
1661851;1495725136;mircea_popescu;the actual yacht which you can actually keep fucktoys on, which costs about 5 to 10 mn, does in point of fact take the labour of a thousand men over their lives. except we got tools to do it faster and cheaper.
1661852;1495725150;mircea_popescu;phf no dude, you gotta do your homework.
1661853;1495725170;mircea_popescu;to qualify in an argument with a fellow who routinely proceeds to idiocy on the level of "metal rusts" and whatnot.
1661854;1495725248;mircea_popescu;and the most bitter fruit of this entire tree of idiocy being that in six months to a year, we'll be right back to "oh, orlol boat and lizzards are keeping the hydrogen engine under wraps".
1661855;1495725252;phf;i know i know, this thread is extremely frustrating. it's your classic armchair trolling "if i was building my way would totally work" well build then "i don't have time to deal with this stuff, but everyone else is an idiot"
1661856;1495725273;asciilifeform;detension with al rods, ferroconcrete style. no cracks.
1661857;1495725333;mircea_popescu;you can't buy this off the shelf. panels my foot. which is WHY http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661768
1661858;1495725333;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 14:52 mircea_popescu: plastic IS used in boatsmaking, but it is specially made plastic, for the purpose.
1661859;1495725368;mircea_popescu;and no, you're not going to come off the cuff with something meaningful to say in that converesation, because you have no clue about the design space or the constraints. exactly like i have to tell you how a fucking tractor works to plow a fucking field. and so fucking on.
1661860;1495725418;asciilifeform;has mircea_popescu  ever built so much as a dog house with own hands?
1661861;1495725526;mircea_popescu;no. but i have bought, you understand, BOUGHT boats and land and farms and horses and people and everything else. and i dun fucking like being george costanza, for random idiots to sell me "johnson rods" while fixing my car. so i spent my life essentially building endless lengthy lists of how everything works and why., EVERYTHING.
1661862;1495725548;mircea_popescu;it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
1661863;1495725551;asciilifeform;bought, bought, and therefore toilet MUST be gold
1661864;1495725580;mircea_popescu;no. bought and for this purpose i have at least the basic idea of how shit works, and why. because i gotta know why am i paying this much.
1661865;1495725609;asciilifeform;recall story of bauxite ?
1661866;1495725849;mircea_popescu;which one ?
1661867;1495725868;asciilifeform;aluminum going from preciousmetal to dirt
1661868;1495725899;asciilifeform;sometimes 'pay so much' simply because this leap not yet made in $domain.
1661869;1495726148;mircea_popescu;yes, well, the leap in domain was not made by courtiers sitting around going "i bet you could totally use the philosopher\s stone to make aluminum cheap"
1661870;1495726171;mircea_popescu;as i said, the principle of technical improvements isn't at issue here. your miserable discoursive and i'm starting to fear mental habits are.
1661871;1495726218;asciilifeform;how about mircea_popescu's mental habit of believing that the gods themselves made the sea as a toy for the rich,
1661872;1495726225;asciilifeform;and that necessarily znO
1661873;1495726232;asciilifeform;NO plastic devised,
1661874;1495726236;asciilifeform;can change it
1661875;1495726274;mircea_popescu;just consider the sad circumstance that you don't like x because of y property you happen to have heard of ; but you have no clue z has problem p. as a for instance, nobody seems to have ever mentuioned to you that plastic boats have a very fixed "open sea" time. and if you knew what it was you wouldn't like it. which is why rich people still buy wood yachts for pleasure.
1661876;1495726294;mircea_popescu;which is also why whenever the boat is intended to stay unattended in blue water for mn seconds sort of thing, it's always metal.
1661877;1495726295;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1661878;1495726396;asciilifeform;'maersk' et al are of steel because mass of containers
1661879;1495726409;asciilifeform;not because steel endures in water ( wouldn't for a week, without plastic paint )
1661880;1495726424;mircea_popescu;a boat a certain size has a certain mass. this is not related to anything else.
1661881;1495726471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're taking a child's view of water. it's not the fucking proofing that's at issue, is structural problems induced by having a force vectror that's substantial, constant, and randomly changing direction. that's why metal excels, it can take random load like that. plastic can't. wood soprt-of can, maybe.
1661882;1495726490;asciilifeform;plastic reinforced with, e.g., al, internally, can
1661883;1495726494;asciilifeform;same as ferroconcrete.
1661884;1495726648;asciilifeform;this however is a political thread : it is not because of mircea_popescu's deep study of plastics, and the strain forces exerted by the sea, that he takes his position, but because This Has Always Been And Therefore Must Always Be .
1661885;1495726669;mircea_popescu;ferroconcrete deals with wind. plastic reinforced in the (expensive!) manner you describe might very well lose adherence because too much variance between the plastic and the spines, you'll end up with it being raked, practicvally. which is the point of the lens cement comment -- you must have VERY CLOSE materials. lest the mix gets warm or something.
1661886;1495726674;asciilifeform;i know this because he did not start out with 'there exists NO suitable plastic, fool' but with vikings and galleons.
1661887;1495726688;*;asciilifeform brb, tea
1661888;1495726701;mircea_popescu;dude i wouldn't give less of a shit, for all i care every two bit social worker case can make a pile of garbage / empty bottles and go sailing into the sunset. what's it to me ?
1661889;1495726780;mircea_popescu;i turn down more invitations to yacht!!! than i accept, by a large margin, and if i go it's cuz the girls and little more. who the fuck in his right mind wants to be on the ocean idly like that. island ++ lawds have mercy.
1661890;1495728393;asciilifeform;actually i gotta agree with mircea_popescu on this last one, i do not properly grasp why it is popular as a pleasure vehicle
1661891;1495728444;mircea_popescu;cuz the poor man's mating strategy includes a "cop", which wortks by rarity, and an "isolate", which the ocean makes available.
1661892;1495728445;asciilifeform;esp. the diesel type
1661893;1495728474;asciilifeform;hm.
1661894;1495728495;mircea_popescu;"hey, baby, what you doin' sat night ? wanna come to YACHT ?!?!" she's more likely to break her pomodoro dinner date to go on a yacht than vice versa. then it's a "well, i'm horny and there's only one dick here, i guess i like this guy. else i'm a whore. i'm totally not a whore though, so i really like him."
1661895;1495728497;mircea_popescu;thassit.
1661896;1495728573;asciilifeform;why 'poor man's' tho
1661897;1495728580;asciilifeform;not exactly cheapest instrument
1661898;1495728587;mircea_popescu;in all fields, whoever pays rent is the poor man.
1661899;1495728604;asciilifeform;by this arg, chick is 'the rich man', pays 0..
1661900;1495728623;mircea_popescu;every teen female starts life with this mindset, sure.
1661901;1495728671;mircea_popescu;works out in practice as well as it does. anyway -- nothing wrong with poor man's solutions, iuf understood as such and used as part of an actually figured out plan.
1661902;1495728876;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo https://archive.is/16ccZ << qntra ?
1661903;1495728876;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1661904;1495728913;BingoBoingo;<jurov> why they don't build houses with plastic sheets and epoxy, then? << If alf does PVC or CPVC he can skip the epoxy and go straight to solvent welding!
1661905;1495728953;mircea_popescu;the principal advantage of the garbage raft is that the broken outer cells (and they will break) provide a sort of damming for the inner cells. might be worth money, this.
1661906;1495728976;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why not straight to pykrete.
1661907;1495728977;jurov;BingoBoingo: you mean toluene?
1661908;1495729003;jurov;hempcrete!
1661909;1495729013;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cuz you want to save in linens by keeping the womenz naked which means tropical waters.
1661910;1495729027;mircea_popescu;god help tyou if your makeshift item catches an arctic storm.
1661911;1495729035;asciilifeform;pycrete battleship lasts for months at room temp, unplugged
1661912;1495729042;asciilifeform;( as was found during the prototype run )
1661913;1495729051;mircea_popescu;oh, you only wanted to sail for months ? i had nfi.
1661914;1495729056;asciilifeform;don't unplug.
1661915;1495729068;mircea_popescu;...
1661916;1495729073;asciilifeform;now, how many watts it takes to keep the thing solid, asciilifeform does not know
1661917;1495729078;asciilifeform;it will vary with size/shape.
1661918;1495729081;asciilifeform;and sea temp.
1661919;1495729085;mircea_popescu;well, you know the phase heat of water, so...
1661920;1495729107;asciilifeform;pykrete ain't ice though, the sawdust is strong insulator
1661921;1495729108;mircea_popescu;alf will bombard maryland from atop his nuclear pykrete submersible aircraft.
1661922;1495729115;asciilifeform;seadirigible.
1661923;1495729132;asciilifeform;subterrine.
1661924;1495729136;jurov;(*) submersible only once
1661925;1495729141;mircea_popescu;lol
1661926;1495729146;mircea_popescu;subterrine de gascogne!
1661927;1495729151;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the wood that a proper boat supposedly 'must' be made of. << There are good reasons for this must. Things grow in water that eat lesser woods. Alternative is PT boat that is going to leach preservative everywhere and then get ate by the sea
1661928;1495729172;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: inconel foil.
1661929;1495729174;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo his device wouldn't fucking dare.
1661930;1495729326;jurov;petbottle raft plated with aluminium can foil, yay
1661931;1495729339;asciilifeform;who said aluminum foil ?
1661932;1495729362;jurov;inconel too expensive, no?
1661933;1495729390;asciilifeform;expensive, but not necessarily 'too', if gives the coveted 100year hull.
1661934;1495729403;asciilifeform;there's the good kind of expensive, and the raytheon kind.
1661935;1495729405;mircea_popescu;eh get out, it'll separate, breach and shed.
1661936;1495729412;BingoBoingo;<jurov> BingoBoingo: you mean toluene? << Whatever's in the little containers they sell at every plumbing supply store
1661937;1495729432;mircea_popescu;lol check out where the political discussion was actually to be found. alf wants the elements to enlist in tmsr, help behead empire.
1661938;1495729451;asciilifeform;lol
1661939;1495729507;jurov;let's bikeshed this. does tmsr have a flag to put on the dirigible?
1661940;1495729520;mircea_popescu;notrly ;/
1661941;1495729528;BingoBoingo;Anyways, there's good reason warships are still made with steel. Resists pirate gun.
1661942;1495729596;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you're missing the point -- maybe there's other people on the ocean you sail on, but on the ocean alf's boat would sail on there's nobody. that's why he's even doing this, to "put distance". this can be had for the asking, because really, world wouldn't fucking dare not satisfy such perfectly reasonable request.
1661943;1495729601;mircea_popescu;also crypto QED so there is that.
1661944;1495729632;mircea_popescu;not like the only fucking reason we even bother with math is that UNLIKE reality, it allows for large empty spaces.
1661945;1495729653;asciilifeform;fact : there is more than one way to engineer. e.g., you can engineer for rich, industrious idiots ('raytheon' style). you can engineer for rich, lazy idiots (yachts from rare woods, with diesel motor).  for  poor, lazy idiots: 'mass' konsoomer electronics.   for poor, industrious, smart folx -- can also engineer. but ~0 precedent to work from.
1661946;1495729689;mircea_popescu;the categories aren't very clearly divided in practice ; and plenty of precedent.
1661947;1495729694;mircea_popescu;why we even have leather shoes, for instance.
1661948;1495729708;jurov;wasn't there plenty of precedent in ostblok?
1661949;1495729721;jurov;like, cars to be finished at home
1661950;1495729725;mircea_popescu;of building badly designed pet projects that didn't work irl but were reported to workl anyway ? o yeah.
1661951;1495729745;asciilifeform;of building items that will still work 100yrs from now when 'west' is a bad memory -- also.
1661952;1495729792;asciilifeform;and jurov laughs at 'car to be finished at home', but asciilifeform is entirely willing to convert 10,000 hrs of sweat into 0rent house.
1661953;1495729796;asciilifeform;if the tech existed.
1661954;1495729798;mircea_popescu;generally this "Finish at home" thing is very much related to fan extraction (as per http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/#selection-73.120-73.157 ) in the sense that only items which are not actually ev are offered in this way.
1661955;1495729810;mircea_popescu;at-home subsidizing. though in modernity that function is mostly covered by the inca.
1661956;1495729811;BingoBoingo;Anyways, it is becoming clear that TMSR.boat prolly ought to be made out of nylon reinforced hydraulic cement with schedule 80 CPV reinforcing frame
1661957;1495729813;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is only true if offered to sheeple with 0 skills
1661958;1495729822;BingoBoingo;Patch with trowel
1661959;1495729825;mircea_popescu;no. true universally.
1661960;1495729841;asciilifeform;not everything is 'industrializable'.
1661961;1495729844;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo if ever driven into land -- doubles as house.
1661962;1495729860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform everything that is OFFERED, to all comers, to "make themselves" is, definitionally, industrializable.
1661963;1495729870;BingoBoingo;AHA, Plant flag exert soverign, COLLECT RENT from occupied territory
1661964;1495729881;asciilifeform;it ain't 'to allcomers' though, but to folx with skill and will to assemble the thing.
1661965;1495729886;asciilifeform;ever seen a 'heathkit' ?
1661966;1495729888;mircea_popescu;those are all comers.
1661967;1495729914;mircea_popescu;it doesn't say "all beings" , it says "all comers". they come on their own power, they're comers.
1661968;1495729971;asciilifeform;!~google heathkit
1661969;1495729972;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Heathkit: <https://www.heathkit.com/>; Shop | heathkit .com: <https://shop.heathkit.com/>; Heathkit - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathkit>
1661970;1495729976;mircea_popescu;if i don't have to know anything specific about you, it's not a restaurant, it's a diner ; it's not a tailor, it's a pret a porter ; and it's not a skillful product, it's an item that's not worth building.
1661971;1495729982;asciilifeform;lol some modern derp bought the name?!
1661972;1495730032;asciilifeform;'-ev to produce en mass for konsoomers' != 'not worth building'
1661973;1495730042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu of all people oughta grasp this
1661974;1495730249;asciilifeform;a kit build ( and oughta be interpreted broadly, e.g. gentoo entirely counts ) lets folx convert their otherwise not-monetizable spare time, into a product, which in many cases they could never otherwise own
1661975;1495730264;asciilifeform;( and certainly could not own in the customized form in which they get it )
1661976;1495730291;asciilifeform;think, e.g., 1970s micro comps.
1661977;1495730373;asciilifeform;incidentally pretty good analogy -- a handful of very rich ~and eccentric~ folx had personally-owned pdp8, say; but many in fact thought 'computer is neato, but only good for accounting, i'll buy one for office', just as mircea_popescu immediately went 'yacht is for whoring, wtf, idiot, to think of living in one'
1661978;1495730556;mircea_popescu;yeah, there are exceptions, such as notably "trainer items". you can buy sportscar kits these days for instancer, so rich kids can graduate from getting lego set for 6th birthday to getting a carbox on their 16th. by the time they get it together they have a permit too.
1661979;1495730564;mircea_popescu;but this is just a different kind of -ev, no more.
1661980;1495730589;asciilifeform;it ain't -ev from the pov of the one doing it, tho
1661981;1495730597;mircea_popescu;also, if your spare time is not monetizable you are not a person and don't belong. i don't mean here, i mean living, at all. #1 reason to off self.
1661982;1495730609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is, yes. same -ev as feeding your pets is.
1661983;1495730625;mircea_popescu;it may be +epv, sure, but ev is ev.
1661984;1495730644;mircea_popescu;and i've yet to meet a rich dude who had kids for which i'd pay to own what he paid to build.
1661985;1495730646;asciilifeform;by same logic, say, mircea_popescu drinking fine whiskey is -ev -- he ain't getting any fatter, martian farmer looking on earthlings as cattle will say 'why this fine specimen is being fed non-nutritive thing'
1661986;1495730651;mircea_popescu;it is.,
1661987;1495730661;mircea_popescu;which is why i don't do consumption-on-credit.
1661988;1495730795;asciilifeform;and yeah sure whatevers, folx who ain't mircea_popescu and can't make thousand btc / hr by farting in spare time, 'don't belong, oughta slice lengthwise!111' sure.
1661989;1495730819;asciilifeform;no thread re rent is complete without this mega-insight.
1661990;1495730840;mircea_popescu;there was no consideration given to amount. the argument was qualitative not quantitative.
1661991;1495730885;mircea_popescu;if you "cant" do anything useful you're ~redditard/wikipedia editor/open source contributor etc. really, no reason to be here, no room for you here, go awya.
1661992;1495730928;asciilifeform;but thread wasn't re 'anything'. was re, say, 10,000 hrs, of asciilifeform -- ain't worth , per market, what a livable boat costs. whereas theoretically could kit build.
1661993;1495730943;mircea_popescu;this theory is how asciilifeform pays wash dc rents, also.
1661994;1495731047;asciilifeform;lol, 'be happy with your stall and hay pile, worthless cattle' ?
1661995;1495731066;mircea_popescu;no. but "x dun work, y theoretically might" is how cattle ends up in ranch.
1661996;1495731085;mircea_popescu;of course it theoretically might. the theory is tailored to the intended audience. "by their lights" it seems to make sense.
1661997;1495731149;mircea_popescu;and note that i didn't "immediately think". you asked me "what would be point of poorman yacht" and i correctly said whoring. rich people use them for sport, but i don't see you racing your concoction. if for no other reason then because regattas are always fulla hopeful hos, and generally very crowded.
1661998;1495731216;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's argument was not that 'plastic is strong enough', entirely possible that suitable materials do not yet exist. but that ~NOBODY is seriously working on the problem at all. ~nothing's been seriously tried.
1661999;1495731236;asciilifeform;as soon as you mention 'regatta' you're dealing with entirely opposing engineering tradeoffs.
1662000;1495731245;asciilifeform;that preclude 'living boat'.
1662001;1495731256;mircea_popescu;how would you know who's working on the problem ?
1662002;1495731282;asciilifeform;i wouldn't. for all i know, mircea_popescu works on it, in his dirigible, and never said a word.
1662003;1495731286;asciilifeform;but -- ~0 public.
1662004;1495731320;mircea_popescu;i'm not, nor do i give a shit. but by some definitions of "public" (ie, i'm lazy, let it come to me) fg is also not public. whereas what people are working on is not really the public's problem anyway.
1662005;1495731333;asciilifeform;fwiw google et al, see it
1662006;1495731337;mircea_popescu;maybe someone somewhere is working on this, maybe they aren't, it's not the sort of question ima decide sitting here.
1662007;1495731338;asciilifeform;not (yet) blackholed.
1662008;1495731349;asciilifeform;ergo public.
1662009;1495731352;mircea_popescu;!~google some cool item with computers and shit
1662010;1495731353;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: computer desk | Cool shit I want! | Pinterest | The o'jays, Awesome ...: <https://www.pinterest.com/pin/411868328392348642/>; 30 Things To Do When you are Bored and have a Computer: <http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/03/30-things-to-do-when-you-are-bored-and-have-a-computer>; ​The 20 Most WTF Magical Items in Dungeons & Dragons: (1 more message)
1662011;1495731358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently not.
1662012;1495731363;asciilifeform;lol
1662013;1495731371;asciilifeform;hm, while we're at it,
1662014;1495731372;mircea_popescu;well ? not like you're googling them by name wtf.
1662015;1495731375;asciilifeform;!~google FUCKGOATS
1662016;1495731376;jhvh1;asciilifeform: i fuck goats - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAr_ezvLRxvE>; RobustPopehatAgenda on Twitter: "If you fuck goats because it ...: <https://twitter.com/popehat/status/833525845046071297%3Flang%3Den>; # fuckgoats hashtag on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/hashtag/fuckgoats>
1662017;1495731379;asciilifeform;lol!!
1662018;1495731383;mircea_popescu;heh
1662019;1495731384;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is a winner
1662020;1495731405;asciilifeform;apparently it took'em this long, but finally done.
1662021;1495731439;asciilifeform;desaparecido, nacht und nebel.
1662022;1495731455;asciilifeform;!~yandex FUCKGOATS
1662023;1495731455;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "yandex" is not a valid command.
1662024;1495731458;asciilifeform;hm, can haz?
1662025;1495731459;mircea_popescu;!~google FUCKGOATS TRNG
1662026;1495731460;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: # trng hashtag on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/hashtag/trng>; No Such Labs (of Phuctor fame) releases hardware TRNG | Crypto: <https://voat.co/v/Crypto/comments/1451328>; ISIS Fighters Roll Across Iraq — Until They See the Peshmerga ...: <https://news.vice.com/article/isis-fighters-roll-across-iraq-until-they-see-the-peshmerga>
1662027;1495731467;mircea_popescu;it's there.
1662028;1495731471;asciilifeform;lol whossat
1662029;1495731475;asciilifeform;aaah
1662030;1495732661;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661744 << any kid ever did not do this ?
1662031;1495732661;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 14:39 diana_coman: oooh, yeah, did that playing with water and ~all pots and pans and anything else we could find, yeah; and he plays a LOT with water & ice, pouring&smashing etc
1662032;1495732849;jurov;http://www.bing.com/search?q=fuckgoats put nosuchlabs at first place
1662033;1495732856;asciilifeform;lol!
1662034;1495732872;asciilifeform;jurov: make sure to try it from a clean browser and previously-unjurov'd ip addr
1662035;1495732875;mircea_popescu;microsoft likes alf, even if alf dun like it back
1662036;1495732915;asciilifeform;evidently!11
1662037;1495732916;jurov;i dont remember using anything microsoft from here
1662038;1495732966;asciilifeform;jurov: bing per se , is the idea
1662039;1495732979;jurov;http://archive.is/cEA1Q 2nd place
1662040;1495732992;asciilifeform;( incidentally every time i hear about it, i'm a little surprised that it still exists )
1662041;1495733055;asciilifeform;at this point hard to be sure whether jurov sees it in 2nd place because he lives in that ip block
1662042;1495733062;asciilifeform;which previously searched for $relateds, etc
1662043;1495733077;jurov;no, i see it in 1st. archive.is on 2nd
1662044;1495733080;asciilifeform;next you're in a new continent, jurov , try it from hotel terminal
1662045;1495733091;asciilifeform;archive.is is exceptionally poor measure, by this token
1662046;1495733215;*;asciilifeform seen his share of 'customized search results' liquishit
1662047;1495733254;jurov;why? archive.is forwards my cookies or what?
1662048;1495733267;asciilifeform;jurov: no, but fetches megatonnes of tmsr-related linx
1662049;1495733269;asciilifeform;every day
1662050;1495733273;mircea_popescu;jurov actually does request as forwarded from your ip.
1662051;1495733291;asciilifeform;e.g. every time a phuctor hit is in the l0gz
1662052;1495733296;mircea_popescu;that's why iot can even see google in the first place.
1662053;1495733300;asciilifeform;that's an archive.is req.
1662054;1495733324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dun take my word for it, make page that returns request and archive it.
1662055;1495733382;asciilifeform;actually i have dulap log on dedicated display, and every phuctor hit in l0gz is a hit from same ip, belonging to 'archive'.
1662056;1495733397;asciilifeform;( rather than to, say, deedbot )
1662057;1495733420;mircea_popescu;mmm
1662058;1495733794;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661674 << was thinking there, for those who would want it, a model where guy asks for N bytes of entropy via FG. would generate N bytes.  base64 encode the binary entropy file (similar to trb deps), place the sha512 output hash of the base64 decoded file along with the ent & dieharder output in a clearsigned message, then PGP encrypt it to the requester.
1662059;1495733794;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 13:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661592 << not in principle. maybe the reserve is a little high, maybe the concept is too soon ; certainly he can't pay and it's somewhat dubious to explain why he should. but hey, gotta start sometime/somehow/somewhere.
1662060;1495733822;mircea_popescu;might work as a bot service. esp once trinque finishes payments.
1662061;1495733830;mod6;maybe charge by the byte, or jiggabyte.  something.  have to figure out what the market is willing to bear as a price tho.
1662062;1495733831;asciilifeform;mod6: and the folx who didn't pay, cannot distill entropy from your ciphertext because ..?
1662063;1495733838;mircea_popescu;i suspect most of the .1 btc you came up with is payment friction, rather than anything else.
1662064;1495733849;asciilifeform;esp. considering that we aren't speaking of cryptographic (noshit!) entropy, but, for, e.g., montecarlo
1662065;1495733866;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they can distill it from their keyboard, if that's what they want.
1662066;1495733876;mircea_popescu;could take the logs and sha them a billion times, whatever.
1662067;1495733878;asciilifeform;no, they get ~same amount as if paid.
1662068;1495733884;asciilifeform;and ~same quality.
1662069;1495733885;mod6;well, i figured, im not really sure I do this anyway, but lets make a market.  i'll say .1, he'll say .0001 and somewhere, we hvae price discovery.
1662070;1495733886;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1662071;1495733894;mircea_popescu;you don't know what stupid shit gpg does to it while encrypting.
1662072;1495733905;asciilifeform;aes.
1662073;1495733913;mircea_popescu;no. gpg.
1662074;1495733915;mod6;anyway, just throwing it out there.
1662075;1495733922;mircea_popescu;you recall, the item with the sha-1 "fingerprints" etc.
1662076;1495733928;asciilifeform;which is 'whitening' if the starting material is 0000....000 , but doesn't hurt if trng.
1662077;1495733942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this doesn't touch the payload
1662078;1495733957;mircea_popescu;you can not promise gpg is just aes. neither can they.
1662079;1495733964;asciilifeform;the payload is an aes256 of the input, key (irrelevant to this gedankenexperiment) lives in the headers yes
1662080;1495733968;mircea_popescu;iuf thyey want prng, they can has. if they do not, they can has. rest is really not my problem.
1662081;1495733995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: offering trng output for someone to download, for money, or otherwise, is intrinsically promisetronic
1662082;1495734002;asciilifeform;he has no way of determining where or how you came up with it.
1662083;1495734006;mircea_popescu;if they're happy with hash(x) can get entropy right now by curl google.com > sha512sum.
1662084;1495734031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and fucking is also intrinsically promisetronic. so what of it ? most of the things we do and enjoy are founded onm promise.
1662085;1495734111;mircea_popescu;mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch.
1662086;1495734165;asciilifeform;while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
1662087;1495734180;mircea_popescu;maybe so.
1662088;1495734309;mircea_popescu;7393bd23794cf8175da5d2dd3f3bb47a7c340bf20cc6ef1f5dd871204119d86988e37b0e32c9b7665a05bd3912a8f83f3bebe3c2c7fc20ff177219ef35c47c25 << random number based on curl http://btcbase.org/log/ | sha512sum ; as primo as it gets!
1662089;1495734322;asciilifeform;lol bitcorrelated
1662090;1495734327;mircea_popescu;awww. AES!!1
1662091;1495734331;asciilifeform;not so aes
1662092;1495734347;asciilifeform;there are gradations of idiocy. merely re-arranging the bits does not induce correlation.
1662093;1495734354;asciilifeform;where previously there was none.
1662094;1495734371;asciilifeform;think, destructive vs nondestructive transform.
1662095;1495734375;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch. << sure, something.  > than 0 tho.
1662096;1495734388;asciilifeform;neither will create entropy from thin air. but one destroys, other -- not
1662097;1495734398;shinohai;Afternoon. mod6 o/
1662098;1495734406;mod6;and as far as "sample" perhaps that's not how it works. maybe like via trinque's thing or something.  but i agree, there is some sort of model here.
1662099;1495734412;mod6;hi shinohai!
1662100;1495734428;asciilifeform;mod6: whichever model you go with, beggars are probably not the target market
1662101;1495734437;asciilifeform;i dun think anyone ever got rich, by pitching to'em
1662102;1495734455;asciilifeform;( though i'm prepared to hear from mircea_popescu how even this, is not so )
1662103;1495734487;mod6;i can't know who would want this, but i'd imagine i wouldn't discriminate on who would want it.  just as long as they PAY.
1662104;1495734508;mod6;there is a bar to entry.  the bar is N btc high.
1662105;1495734592;mircea_popescu;might be a market in "Certified entropy" simply because of how bureaucracy works.
1662106;1495734630;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc we had thread, las vegas runs 100% on usg-supplied prng (yes, prng) boxes, welded shut
1662107;1495734670;mircea_popescu;kinda how this works. by the timpe peopple pay bots here for rng, we're simply owning the world and no more. which is why i said maybe premature.
1662108;1495734688;asciilifeform;on the other, historic end of things, we have the infamous https://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1418/index2.html
1662109;1495734689;mod6;fair enough
1662110;1495734698;asciilifeform;'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (dead tree!)
1662111;1495734712;mircea_popescu;apparently worth 20 bux / mb or w/e
1662112;1495734740;trinque;asciilifeform: in re beggers and target market, folks did get rich owning the world, as mircea_popescu said
1662113;1495734754;mircea_popescu;pretty much only reliable way.
1662114;1495734776;*;trinque putting a great deal of thought into the payment thing precisely because that sort of side channel is likely to be the unwashed masses way to pay, forevermore
1662115;1495734791;asciilifeform;trinque: elaborate plox
1662116;1495734794;mircea_popescu;likely. that , eu coppers, etcetera.
1662117;1495734799;trinque;thread's been had a couple times, ^
1662118;1495734804;asciilifeform;link?
1662119;1495734816;mod6;yeah, could even be an eulora auction daily
1662120;1495734817;trinque;lords move gold and peons move digits in db
1662121;1495734850;mircea_popescu;mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place.
1662122;1495734857;mircea_popescu;it's what it's for after all.
1662123;1495734879;mod6;i actually looked at it lastnight to see if I could start my own auction for this exactly.
1662124;1495734887;mircea_popescu;sure you can
1662125;1495734899;mircea_popescu;(auction <opening bid (coppers)> <duration (hours)> <item/lot>) -- e.g. !Qauction 3,5mn 2 57 IMP CH, d 32197 ea
1662126;1495734900;mod6;put up 1.5Gb of entropy... start the bidding at say 1mn ecu
1662127;1495734905;mod6;or 10mn whatever.
1662128;1495734907;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539113 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539116 loller
1662129;1495734907;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 trinque: there was another thread where it was discussed that the common person would merely operate out of an account held by his lord, and everyone bobbled heads at that because the framing felt good.
1662130;1495734907;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 mircea_popescu: well if it's discussed with slavegirls and a great pink fuzzy harem with soft velvety marbles and foggy complex pools... then yes@
1662131;1495734916;trinque;can't find original, just a ref
1662132;1495734936;trinque;this though seems in line with the fact that not everyone owns his own ass.
1662133;1495734944;mircea_popescu;original is likely the trilema piece about "Future of bitcoin", predicting how people are going to do the most stuipid thing, and explaining how it's not for fucking sneakers.
1662134;1495734955;trinque;aha, undoutably trilema first
1662135;1495734963;mod6;and ask like that might never catch a bid, but market will meet somewhere, will sell into highest bids, etc.
1662136;1495734990;asciilifeform;mod6: pretty easy to undercut to death tho
1662137;1495735004;*;mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at how wanna-be ronin slavegirl imagines "there's a lo of cryptocurrencies now". ie, there's n oconspiracy needed, the poor idiots will simply HALLUCINATE the poor idiot world. be it there or not.
1662138;1495735014;mod6;yup. indeed.  there are many fgs, and lots of enterprising people out there.
1662139;1495735022;trinque;mircea_popescu: important point that, otherwise folks run around thinking bitcoin will fix all the social problems by itself.
1662140;1495735035;asciilifeform;mod6: so only question of time before price goes to 0 and stays there permanently.
1662141;1495735038;trinque;teh "anarchocapitalist" fucktards and so on.
1662142;1495735059;asciilifeform;rather like 'price of porn'
1662143;1495735079;mircea_popescu;maybe. though this would be more like "price of lap dance". which is not 0.
1662144;1495735111;mod6;food for thought.
1662145;1495735127;asciilifeform;lap dance works on 1 lap at a time
1662146;1495735130;mod6;but it's crossed my mind a number of times since i started testing these things.
1662147;1495735133;asciilifeform;montecarlo-grade rng bits -- inf.
1662148;1495735136;mircea_popescu;so does signed and encrypted rng sample.
1662149;1495735145;mircea_popescu;if they share them or not... hey, they don't share fucking textbooks.
1662150;1495735154;asciilifeform;separate q.
1662151;1495735182;mircea_popescu;point remains, you can watch some guy gettiung a lapdance for free. same here, won't have your name on it, that's all.
1662152;1495735232;asciilifeform;anyone recall the ancient 'pgp key generating service' ?
1662153;1495735238;*;shinohai staring at teaser tits ..... "I'd like to buy your most expensive bottle of champagne"
1662154;1495735240;asciilifeform;'wallet inspector'
1662155;1495735252;asciilifeform;the value of promisetronically engraved 'your name on it' is ~0.
1662156;1495735255;shinohai;asciilifeform: igolder used to do that I think.
1662157;1495735323;shinohai;https://www.igolder.com/PGP/generate-key/
1662158;1495735328;asciilifeform;lol!
1662159;1495735330;trinque;heh.
1662160;1495735333;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perceived value is the question.
1662161;1495735348;mircea_popescu;which is why the entire "own the world" item earlier.
1662162;1495735384;asciilifeform;aaah 'perceived values', yes, that's three doors down from asciilifeform . right next to where they make the plastic 'bitcoins' and plastic porches etc.
1662163;1495735387;asciilifeform;can't help, there.
1662164;1495735391;shinohai;That entire site is a lulz farm, and was proffered as the easiest way to do gpg on reddit darknet,makets page
1662165;1495735407;trinque;asciilifeform: how do you square that with other threads where "will someday be rare to own a computer"
1662166;1495735409;mircea_popescu;im sure it is the easiest.
1662167;1495735430;shinohai;Sure, what could possibly go wrong?
1662168;1495735442;asciilifeform;trinque: that was in re industrial collapse
1662169;1495735456;asciilifeform;trinque: fwiw i intend to be quite dead, also can't help.
1662170;1495735499;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure what this is about. you have some sort of objection to other people platying with the bots or ?
1662171;1495735503;asciilifeform;nope.
1662172;1495735522;trinque;just sounds like it comes from a notion of flat social topology
1662173;1495735532;asciilifeform;but will observe that both sellers of rng bits, and esp. buyers, are a little 'off their rockers' imho.
1662174;1495735589;mircea_popescu;i can conceive that i'd trust x to rng more than i'd trust myself, in some conditions.
1662175;1495735596;asciilifeform;now i'm curious
1662176;1495735608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elaborate re hypothetical conditions ?
1662177;1495735618;mircea_popescu;i'm somewhere with a laptop.
1662178;1495735635;mircea_popescu;should i need entropy i'd rather wotbuy it than os-"make" it
1662179;1495735657;mircea_popescu;not at 0.1 btc, certainly, but as mod6 points out, not 0 either.
1662180;1495735678;asciilifeform;FG easily fits in sack with laptop neh.
1662181;1495735689;mircea_popescu;if it did fit, it did fit, and if it didn't fit it's not there.
1662182;1495735723;trinque;thread can be generalized to cost-benefit-analysis of establishing trust vs handcrafting
1662183;1495735726;trinque;just like the boat thing
1662184;1495735728;mircea_popescu;quite.
1662185;1495735747;mircea_popescu;and obviously "oh but x could backstab you". yes, he could. and in the process give me proof he did.
1662186;1495735751;mircea_popescu;very manageable risk.
1662187;1495735768;asciilifeform;cryptocompromise as a 'manageable risk' under any scenario is imho lunacy.
1662188;1495735789;asciilifeform;quite conceivably 'proof that he did' will be delivered to your smoking crater, and won't do much good.
1662189;1495735791;*;trinque ranks "I live in an arena where men stand on their names." as only dream
1662190;1495735794;asciilifeform;e.g. admiral yamamoto.
1662191;1495735798;mircea_popescu;rng is not === crypto
1662192;1495735804;asciilifeform;for montecarlo then ?
1662193;1495735808;mircea_popescu;maybe i wanna play some browswer game.
1662194;1495735817;trinque;gotta then have the game, and have people cut down on reputation, and etc
1662195;1495735857;asciilifeform;for game, most folx seem happy with porcelain, prng, rather than platinum, trng, toilet. but hey - who wants, can sell, buy.
1662196;1495735872;asciilifeform;i buy barrels of water. can laugh at it just the same.
1662197;1495735878;mircea_popescu;right.
1662198;1495735893;mircea_popescu;"water -- literally falls from the sky, and he BUYS it." afghan would have a lulz.
1662199;1495735905;asciilifeform;try an' drink what falls from sky here.
1662200;1495735912;lobbes;(+mircea_popescu) mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place. << yeah, no issue here. I'd be honored to have genuine entropy traded via bot
1662201;1495735913;mircea_popescu;afghan dun know.
1662202;1495736019;mircea_popescu;anyway. the overarching point is that risk per se is not the problem. unmanageable risk, of the sort that arises in poorly defined situations, is the problem. which is why open source is fundamentally useless, be it in the fdorm of ubuntu, or wikipedia. who do i negrate ?
1662203;1495736043;mircea_popescu;"the whole thing, mp" "yeah well, that happened three seconds in."
1662204;1495736092;mircea_popescu;old царь-государь press law was plain : author, responsible ; if can't be found, editor ; if can't be fouind , owenr ; if can't be found - typograpgher.
1662205;1495736121;mircea_popescu;the principle is solid : the fact that someone from stanford published a shitty piece means THE WHOLE USG is now negrated, if there's not a lower node to negrate.
1662206;1495736197;asciilifeform;there was this one time, however, when great persian царь-государь xerxes, negrated the sea...
1662207;1495736215;mircea_popescu;sure.
1662208;1495736237;asciilifeform;like all other blades, this one worx best when sharp.
1662209;1495736497;mircea_popescu;which is why "open source" is fundamentally useless. the poor idiots trying to hallucinate the poor idiot world where they can't be cut down for being poor idiots.
1662210;1495736767;mod6;lobbes: cool :]
1662211;1495737849;asciilifeform;in other quasi-noose, http://shop.voipdistri.com/Embedded-board-und-Mini-PC-System-bundle/Embedded-Boards-633/Deciso-Netboard-A10-Embedded-Motherboard---BIG-performer--low-power--AMD-next-generation-G-Serie-SOC-Chipset.html << possible 3rd board that worx with sage.
1662212;1495737860;asciilifeform;if anyone gets hold of one & tries -- plz post.
1662213;1495737875;asciilifeform;^ with dram socket !!
1662214;1495737889;asciilifeform;minus: intel nics.
1662215;1495739741;asciilifeform;!!up NoMyName
1662216;1495739741;deedbot;NoMyName voiced for 30 minutes.
1662217;1495740032;BingoBoingo;NoMyName: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1662218;1495740154;NoMyName;My daddy is dead, but he was a very fine doctor, and taught me the value of knowing things.
1662219;1495740198;BingoBoingo;Ah, sad to hear.
1662220;1495740198;NoMyName;I have seen your name everywhere in the blogs of record. Bingo! Boingo! Are you a person, or a bot?
1662221;1495740219;BingoBoingo;I am a man! I am a newsman!
1662222;1495740223;NoMyName;otay, that was not a bot answer...
1662223;1495740269;jurov;https://www.sony.com/electronics/digital-paper-notepads/dpt-rp1 << iirc asciilifeform wanted e-ink device?
1662224;1495740294;NoMyName;Ok, I know what a lemma is, I have had the occasional quandry, I don't know what the three premises are?
1662225;1495740299;BingoBoingo;But yes, I am indeed not a bot.
1662226;1495740311;asciilifeform;jurov: i have a large collection of various einktrons
1662227;1495740359;asciilifeform;1650 x 2200 is nothing to write home about, tho
1662228;1495740363;NoMyName;$700 for a pad with one function?
1662229;1495740370;asciilifeform;esp if it has the usual snail refresh
1662230;1495740403;trinque;not a bad resolution for fonts.
1662231;1495740412;trinque;only use I'd have for such a thing
1662232;1495740414;asciilifeform;i already have lcd toys with that res tho
1662233;1495740420;asciilifeform;that work in full colour and <10ms refresh.
1662234;1495740435;trinque;hm, and e-ink?
1662235;1495740441;asciilifeform;i also see 0 mention of os
1662236;1495740474;asciilifeform;now if this were a comp, WITH A KEYBOARD, that ran for month+ on 1 battery charge -- then yes, it'd have a point
1662237;1495740486;asciilifeform;(supposing the comp were gentooable, rather than 'chromebook' etc liquishit)
1662238;1495740522;asciilifeform;'Digital Paper Application is required for synchronization and document transfer between Digital Paper and PC. USB connection required to install the Digital Paper application on your PC.' << srsly?!
1662239;1495740527;asciilifeform;jurov, why didja link this, it's a turd.
1662240;1495740543;asciilifeform;even 'amazon' does not stoop this low.
1662241;1495740622;jurov;i hoped you say it can be rooted or something
1662242;1495740629;asciilifeform;in all fairness, sony is infamous for this, i had their original prs500
1662243;1495740635;asciilifeform;after it was cracked properly
1662244;1495740647;asciilifeform;jurov: if you get the thing rooted plz lemme know
1662245;1495740653;asciilifeform;i know folx who might like it.
1662246;1495740794;Framedragger;from initial glance looks like (unrooted version) works *just* with pdfs?
1662247;1495740820;asciilifeform;Framedragger: didja read the quoted text ?
1662248;1495740833;asciilifeform;$closedturdapplication is required to sync...
1662249;1495740839;asciilifeform;!= 'just works'
1662250;1495740841;Framedragger;aha i guess that's the main uh political bottleneck
1662251;1495740843;Framedragger;myeah.
1662252;1495740847;asciilifeform;for starters.
1662253;1495741043;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/media-attacks-montana-candidate-for-defending-self-against-physical-assault-by-goon/ << Qntra - Media Attacks Montana Candidate For Defending Self Against Physical Assault By Goon
1662254;1495741047;BingoBoingo;^ 4 alf
1662255;1495741051;asciilifeform;neato BingoBoingo
1662256;1495741142;BingoBoingo;In other news negrodamus finished sync experiment a few days ago for a roughly 6 month sync time in the wild with spinning rust. Is at present mostly keeping up (i.e. 3 blocks behind atm)
1662257;1495741252;jurov;i had and experiment too, in 3 months went up to 420k blocks, but found out the cheapo ssd failed
1662258;1495741279;jurov;total_lba_writen about 40T
1662259;1495741306;asciilifeform;jurov: what make of ssd was it ?
1662260;1495741318;jurov;patriot spark 256g
1662261;1495741422;jurov;waiting in warranty claim atm
1662262;1495742078;Framedragger;on facebook archiving: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/3086
1662263;1495742113;Framedragger;(jason scott)
1662264;1495742340;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, panzers! http://nosuchlabs.com updated .
1662265;1495742425;asciilifeform;this is not intended to rain on mod6 et al's parade, but rather in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1662086 .
1662266;1495742425;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 17:42 asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
1662267;1495742483;asciilifeform;honest rng maker has 0 to be afraid of from posting arbitrarily large sample.
1662268;1495742586;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.txt , http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.bin .
1662269;1495742793;Framedragger;oooh nice. /me yet to generate 1gb+ of entropy, will post when that's done
1662270;1495742908;trinque;imma just xor all your posts together for the rest of my life.
1662271;1495742911;trinque;I like to live dangerously
1662272;1495743035;Framedragger;"still better than urandom"
1662273;1495743086;trinque;heh probably so.
1662274;1495743253;jurov;idea: what about providing fuckgoat output in realtime, as tcp stream. maybe i'll do when i get some
1662275;1495743396;asciilifeform;jurov: not a bad idea. and maybe you'll even discover some zeroblockpadding bug, a la the dd thing
1662276;1495743397;jurov;um...signing that would be problematic, then
1662277;1495743402;asciilifeform;in tcp
1662278;1495743424;asciilifeform;you could buffer it and sign parcels prior to transmission
1662279;1495743428;asciilifeform;( or after, whichever. )
1662280;1495743788;Framedragger;i guess no way to use luby code or equivalent on tcp huh
1662281;1495745493;asciilifeform;what would that do, Framedragger ?
1662282;1495746137;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ACHTUNG, panzers! http://nosuchlabs.com updated . << lol
1662283;1495746514;Framedragger;asciilifeform: on second thought, i didn't have an idea in mind. i just thought "huh, how to have continuous/streaming verification of data, i.e. not have to send data in signed *chunks* (if want to have verified/signed data)"
1662284;1495746543;Framedragger;(but that's not even luby codes, right)
1662285;1495746574;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i know of no such algo
1662286;1495746586;asciilifeform;and suspect that it cannot exist.
1662287;1495746600;Framedragger;right :(
1662288;1495747924;Framedragger;https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-24/ecb-warns-of-dangers-of-ripple-effect-from-house-price-boom 2008 called! "Exuberant house price developments in certain regions could, in  principle, threaten the stability of financial institutions with  mortgage exposures concentrated in those regions"
1662289;1495747943;Framedragger;youdontsay!
1662290;1495748243;mircea_popescu;whoa, some lightning strikes the likes of which...
1662291;1495748250;mircea_popescu;i think they took a up down the street
1662292;1495748369;mircea_popescu;took a tree*
1662293;1495748479;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it's just "in principle", aka "only happens to niggers, couldn't happen here, we're pravoslavniks!"
1662294;1495748717;asciilifeform;jurov: the problem posed is quite reminiscent of ye olde 'provably fair casino' thread of '14
1662295;1495748745;asciilifeform;jurov: afaik no solution is known , aside from the familiar 'prng and seed published at the end of the day/week/whichever'
1662296;1495748766;asciilifeform;( and then you're stuck with a prng, with the attendant consequences )
1662297;1495748824;asciilifeform;the reproducible ~t~rng is a contradiction in terms.
1662298;1495748870;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661136 is probably as close as anybody could hope to get, to it )
1662299;1495748870;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 22:16 asciilifeform: previously i thought that you could not have an auditable single-crystal rng, but possibly this is not so : if you make it so that only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up, you can 'yoke'-audit 2 units by placing back to back around test source.
1662300;1495748913;asciilifeform;'Facebook is the third of what is probably a quartet (or quintet) of the destruction of the innocence of computing.  First was viruses, second was malware, third is facebook. I suspect fourth will be related to control of networking itself, and fifth will be licensing of high level computer ability. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.' << mega-lulzy, ty Framedragger
1662301;1495748917;mircea_popescu;except that if is nonsense.
1662302;1495748935;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand?
1662303;1495748971;mircea_popescu;" only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up" requires i break fundamental qm.
1662304;1495748981;asciilifeform;not necessarily
1662305;1495748998;asciilifeform;gamma photon can set off 2 detectors, one after the other
1662306;1495748998;mircea_popescu;really ?
1662307;1495749002;asciilifeform;like nazi bullet
1662308;1495749008;mircea_popescu;and how do you know if it did ?
1662309;1495749018;asciilifeform;( where famously tie-two-jews-together-to-use-1bullet )
1662310;1495749024;mircea_popescu;if it interacts, it changes. after it set one, no longer same gamma photon.
1662311;1495749033;asciilifeform;you know because they're X/c apart
1662312;1495749037;mircea_popescu;lol.
1662313;1495749058;asciilifeform;now i keep waiting for mircea_popescu to say 'you would use beta decay, fool'
1662314;1495749062;mircea_popescu;this is almost better than the nuclear pykrete submersible aircraft.
1662315;1495749071;asciilifeform;because you actually ~do~ get 2 geometrically opposite emissions
1662316;1495749081;asciilifeform;and i actually had this device, and used every day, at one time
1662317;1495749089;asciilifeform;commercial scintillation counter
1662318;1495749097;mircea_popescu;you will... know because you measure the distance, and because no masking epiphenomena may exist ? really ? because your clocks work so well that they can be used against photons themselves, and calipers ditto ?
1662319;1495749098;asciilifeform;with 2 opposite photomultiplier tubes
1662320;1495749106;asciilifeform;fughet the gamma.
1662321;1495749113;mircea_popescu;YOU SAID GAMMA.
1662322;1495749143;asciilifeform;aite, if mircea_popescu insists, it can be made to work with gamma. and yes, clock is sufficiently repeatable. visit gun shop, get laser distance meter.
1662323;1495749150;asciilifeform;works on this principle, does not need mega-clock.
1662324;1495749152;asciilifeform;analogue.
1662325;1495749167;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. go right ahead.
1662326;1495749170;asciilifeform;or visit spy shop and get the laser microfone, same idea.
1662327;1495749186;asciilifeform;but yes, you would want to do it with beta decay.
1662328;1495749202;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't want to do it again. this is a cosmo kramer idea.
1662329;1495749214;mircea_popescu;s/again/at all/.
1662330;1495749226;asciilifeform;http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/myimages/coincidence.jpg
1662331;1495749245;asciilifeform;^ commercial gadget, made for 40+ yrs
1662332;1495749264;asciilifeform;http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/myimages/Beta-Packard.jpg << the type i had
1662333;1495749288;asciilifeform;0 physical laws broken..
1662334;1495749314;mircea_popescu;"here's something else than what i was talking about doing something else than what i was talking about, therefore."
1662335;1495749323;asciilifeform;it won't work, mircea_popescu , the squid ink
1662336;1495749330;asciilifeform;http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/beta.html << likbez for n00bz.
1662337;1495749349;mircea_popescu;mkay, i'm guessing that's enough for a day.
1662338;1495749358;asciilifeform;aite.
1662339;1495749707;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1662340;1495749716;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2477.26, vol: 32244.22691818 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2390.45, vol: 25617.11116 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2466.0, vol: 49595.5512034 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2651.086256, vol: 32000.83330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2494.596, vol: 13771.1618584 | Volume-weighted last average: 2496.96290776
1662341;1495749725;asciilifeform;but meanwhile, in ben_vulpesistan, it neversleeps!, https://archive.is/DYc5c >> 'The owner of a burrito food cart in Portland has been driven out of business by social justice warriors who accused the two white women who run the business of "cultural appropriation."'
1662342;1495749796;ben_vulpes;"burritogate!"
1662343;1495749803;mircea_popescu;is it still crashing ?
1662344;1495749812;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: didja see the list of hated business i posted a few days ago?
1662345;1495749821;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha, but had nfi re context
1662346;1495749822;ben_vulpes;the church is maintaining its own hit list now
1662347;1495749830;asciilifeform;which church
1662348;1495749834;ben_vulpes;the church of woke
1662349;1495749840;asciilifeform;lol
1662350;1495749841;ben_vulpes;it's progress you see, they weren't going far enough before
1662351;1495749868;ben_vulpes;you know, the church of progress where you pray, self-flagellate, to eudaly and hardesty et al for wisdom and guidance
1662352;1495749883;ben_vulpes;because you have no god, you athiest, and cannot think for yourself, you american
1662353;1495749904;mircea_popescu;not just the facts anymore ?
1662354;1495749918;ben_vulpes;what facts, we have lived experience
1662355;1495749925;mircea_popescu;ah right, i forgot about that.
1662356;1495749926;ben_vulpes;"can't argue with lived experience!"
1662357;1495749939;ben_vulpes;you were born poor and life sucked for you, quelle surprise
1662358;1495749941;mircea_popescu;right right, because it's irreproducible AND THEREFORTE VALUABLE.
1662359;1495749956;mircea_popescu;how the fuck their thinkers work i have no idea, but probably something with symmetrical scintillations.
1662360;1495749962;ben_vulpes;see also "i don't check my privilege, i /leverage/ it."
1662361;1495749991;ben_vulpes;"how do you leverage privilege?"
1662362;1495749999;mircea_popescu;synnergy something ?
1662363;1495749999;ben_vulpes;"ah see you'd have to be a cis het shitlord for it to make sense."
1662364;1495750017;ben_vulpes;sin-ergy
1662365;1495750028;ben_vulpes;my dark powers come from a lifetime of sin
1662366;1495750033;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, in the dinner date conversation ideas, "who'd win a fight between the greatest douchecanoe and the worst shitlord ???"
1662367;1495750049;mircea_popescu;or did "douchecanoe" fail coinage ? i recall all sorta sheilas pushing it pretty hard a few years back.
1662368;1495750055;asciilifeform;the elephant, naturally
1662369;1495750056;shinohai;!#vulpes
1662370;1495750056;a111;and i didn't even need to bring any tools!
1662371;1495750099;ben_vulpes;only tool i need in this life i keep between my legs
1662372;1495750532;asciilifeform;!#vulpes
1662373;1495750532;a111;to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run
1662374;1495750544;asciilifeform;phf that thing was a work of genius
1662375;1495751171;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1662376;1495751171;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1662377;1495751222;asciilifeform;btw gabriel_laddel_p dontcha have a key ?
1662378;1495751228;asciilifeform;why not use.
1662379;1495751242;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: yes, but I'm neg-rated by MP so cannot up myself
1662380;1495751252;asciilifeform;!!gettrust gabriel_laddel_p
1662381;1495751252;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: -2 by 2 connections.
1662382;1495751257;gabriel_laddel_p;also hard drive died last night, so have to auth via a systemrescuecd + usb which sorta sucks
1662383;1495751272;gabriel_laddel_p;mod6: the payment is to drive up the value of your shares
1662384;1495751289;asciilifeform;anyway gabriel_laddel_p go to nosuchlabs.com , you will find rng bitz
1662385;1495751302;gabriel_laddel_p;and also to demonstrate that "oh no, FG can't be sold" is in the same bucket as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381606
1662386;1495751302;a111;Logged on 2016-01-22 21:56 gabriel_laddel: I found 20 XC6216-2HQ240Cs
1662387;1495751333;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661862 < incidentally ascii, your skill set could make you a lot of money if you
1662388;1495751333;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 15:19 mircea_popescu: it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
1662389;1495751341;asciilifeform;if wat
1662390;1495751354;gabriel_laddel_p;would just move to tijuana Mexico and go to some parties, tell people you're a technician / chemist
1662391;1495751360;asciilifeform;lol
1662392;1495751370;gabriel_laddel_p;let em know you can do crypto
1662393;1495751408;asciilifeform;aha lol, they get all the crypto they want from old man julius cesar
1662394;1495751431;gabriel_laddel_p;if the cartel's knew even simple things like "most of our product is chiral" they could sell a lot more
1662395;1495751434;asciilifeform;per http://trilema.com/2014/more-about-caesar-cyphers .
1662396;1495751449;gabriel_laddel_p;d-amphetamine is WAYYY better & an easy sell, but not available on the market
1662397;1495751464;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: they don't want to end up in jail any more than you do
1662398;1495751472;asciilifeform;aaaactually they like jail fine
1662399;1495751486;asciilifeform;see pretty much all of the mircea_popescu jail threads
1662400;1495751521;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: stands in direct contradiction to my own experience, but w/e
1662401;1495751532;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p has experience in mexican mafia?!
1662402;1495751539;asciilifeform;whyd'dya quit. i wouldn't quit.
1662403;1495751583;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: if I had experience with the cartel's I'd be making money in the way described above.
1662404;1495751583;asciilifeform;and srsly, they have nfi that chiral column exists, i am supposed to believe.
1662405;1495751598;asciilifeform;because wat, they don't watch american detective tv ?
1662406;1495751614;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: go buy some cocaine sometime. or amphetamine of any description
1662407;1495751655;gabriel_laddel_p;you CANNOT buy d-amphetamine, or any of the enantiomers / diastereomers of meth / cocaine.
1662408;1495751662;gabriel_laddel_p;in spite of having radically different effects.
1662409;1495751669;asciilifeform;if you must, separate it yerself ferfuxxsake
1662410;1495751704;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: most of the people buying have no idea, they just know "white powder makes me feel good"
1662411;1495751723;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: do you realize that you are becoming somewhat hard to distinguish from the late thestringpuller
1662412;1495751724;gabriel_laddel_p;so you search around the chemical space to find the most potent white powder == sell more
1662413;1495751766;asciilifeform;i'ma leave the white powders to the specialists.
1662414;1495751796;asciilifeform;https://www.sott.net/image/s17/345005/full/powell_un_anthrax.jpg << oblig!
1662415;1495751938;gabriel_laddel_p;fwiw, I'd like to apologize for the spelling errors above. on an apple computer & it spell corrects me / removes text / sends messages I didn't intend to send. Eg, "incidentally ascii" was supposed to be prefaced with "Amen. "
1662416;1495752001;gabriel_laddel_p;Anyways, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661854 < Amen.
1662417;1495752001;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 15:14 mircea_popescu: and the most bitter fruit of this entire tree of idiocy being that in six months to a year, we'll be right back to "oh, orlol boat and lizzards are keeping the hydrogen engine under wraps".
1662418;1495752154;*;asciilifeform has at this point lost count of the 'fine folx' who offered him 'sure profitz' involving white powders/militias/deathrays across-the-border/across-the-ocean/in-shangri-la/in-shiticonvalley etc etc
1662419;1495752209;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506792 . )
1662420;1495752209;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 01:18 asciilifeform: it was a very strange experience, like having a contract killer sent for you who worked his whole life in a slaughterhouse and literally expects you to behave EXACTLY like cow, to simply walk up to where he has the ~stationary~ stun hammer
1662421;1495752270;ben_vulpes;eh, cartels just kidnap and enslave technicians. what employ.
1662422;1495752283;asciilifeform;chechens did.
1662423;1495752292;asciilifeform;pirates also (ship doctor, let go when new one found)
1662424;1495752354;asciilifeform;i could easily think of worse job to be enslaved for.
1662425;1495752445;shinohai;YArgh
1662426;1495752457;*;asciilifeform still finds it interesting that g_l did not ask re the rng sample .
1662427;1495752469;asciilifeform;possibly at this point there's 7 d00dz using 'his' nick.
1662428;1495752491;asciilifeform;5 of whom travel in 'white powders' etc.
1662429;1495752501;mod6;why buy the cow if you get the milk for free?
1662430;1495752522;asciilifeform;possibly because the milk is powdered
1662431;1495752525;asciilifeform;and typhoidal
1662432;1495752543;asciilifeform;and at any rate not particularly fresh.
1662433;1495752869;asciilifeform;also iirc cocaine only comes in L isomer in nature.
1662434;1495752893;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo Saifedean Ammous (The guy ripped apart by diana_coman one Sunday in logs ) is upset that my latest Qntra did not attribute his quote. Please advise how to proceed.
1662435;1495752893;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1662436;1495753033;shinohai;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1662437;1495753033;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1662438;1495753038;shinohai;!!seen saifedean
1662439;1495753040;deedbot;2017/04/02 08:26:34 <saifedean> in any case, these only inform the last couple of chapters of the book. the rest is mostly economic history and austrian economics on sound money and its perks & fiat money and its disasters
1662440;1495753053;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1662426 < is it not free sample.bin from nosuchlabs.com?
1662441;1495753053;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 22:47 asciilifeform still finds it interesting that g_l did not ask re the rng sample .
1662442;1495753056;shinohai;!!key saifedean
1662443;1495753056;deedbot;Not registered.
1662444;1495753098;BingoBoingo;shinohai: What quote?
1662445;1495753143;shinohai;"A conference sponsored by the Ethereum,1 Dash,2 and Ripple3 scams produces an agreement on how to scale Bitcoin".   <<< twas him from twitter
1662446;1495753164;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: in any case, happy to make a PGPGRAM at whatever point verifying that indeed, it is me using this nick.
1662447;1495753201;trinque;y'know we already have a process for doing just that.
1662448;1495753220;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: y'know, I'm neg-rated so cannot up myself
1662449;1495753242;gabriel_laddel_p;how it is not 100% obvious I read everything by now...
1662450;1495753251;gabriel_laddel_p;god you people are thick sometimes
1662451;1495754227;mircea_popescu;shinohai why didn't it attribute ?
1662452;1495754529;shinohai;I think I forgot to add the archive.is to his tweet, article underwent revision before published.
1662453;1495754539;mircea_popescu;ah. so put it in, big deal.
1662454;1495757192;shinohai;http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/#comment-99155
1662455;1495757221;*;shinohai thinks that fixes it, and is sufficient snub to audacity of individual not in wot
1662456;1495759106;phf;asciilifeform: hey you ever worked with https://dmitripavlov.org/tex/ ?
1662457;1495759217;asciilifeform;phf: nope
1662458;1495759476;shinohai;http://archive.is/woZGL   <<< oops
1662459;1495759544;phf;it's the simplest solution i found to typeset cyrillic with plain tex, but i can't get font mapping to work..
1662460;1495759698;phf;tex is like a handful of carefully crafted tools with gb's of liquishit™ on top. "we have this elegant vpatch of a carefully crafted solution" "can i use it?" "lol nobody uses it, we have a modern option with unicode! and lua! and packages! comes as a GIT REPO!111"
1662461;1495759868;asciilifeform;hey, old man knuth is old
1662462;1495759886;asciilifeform;and certainly uses no heathen cyrillic..
1662463;1495759920;asciilifeform;and betcha he ain't touched a stinkin' comp since '92
1662464;1495759928;phf;that i can see
1662465;1495759975;phf;but he does use cyrillic! when he needs to obsessively write correct name for a mathematician in his AoCP references
1662466;1495760142;asciilifeform;phf: i dunno which edition you have, but in mine they are in latinate
1662467;1495760179;asciilifeform;at least vol2, which is what i have in my bed right now and can't be arsed to get up and see 1 and 3
1662468;1495760186;asciilifeform;but betcha they - also
1662469;1495760275;phf;all three of mine are in book boxes (i just moved) but they definitely have cyrillic (as well as all the other friends of the people, e.g. al khwarizmi spelled in arabic, japanese etc.)
1662470;1495760297;phf;i wonder if that's a later update. i have a fairly recent print from early 2000s
1662471;1495760461;asciilifeform;'90s here
1662472;1495760473;phf;oh you know what it is, it's not inline, check the Index and Glossary
1662473;1495760571;phf;for example, Euler, Leonhard should have cyrillic equivalent
1662474;1495761251;asciilifeform;btw phf i also own a ru knuth, somebody at umd threw it out once ( or perhaps died ... )
1662475;1495761262;asciilifeform;pretty good transl i daresay
1662476;1495761595;phf;possibly needed space for "artificial intelligence programming with google apis"
1662477;1495762277;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...3557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM)
1662478;1495762277;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1384...1929 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM)
1662479;1495763300;asciilifeform;in other unshielded rng, https://www.araneus.fi/products/alea2/en/
1662480;1495763361;asciilifeform;they even offer a faux phuctor! https://www.araneus.fi/kno/
1662481;1495763398;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1695...0203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
1662482;1495763398;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
1662483;1495763398;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/39E71543A1D609A02E29A3CFBFBF41A3F6BCF165017728BD82191D148BCE7999 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.132.137.40 (ssh-rsa key from 78.132.137.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-137-40.pppoe.tmb.ru. RU TAM)
1662484;1495763399;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/39E71543A1D609A02E29A3CFBFBF41A3F6BCF165017728BD82191D148BCE7999 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1703...0239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.132.137.40 (ssh-rsa key from 78.132.137.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-137-40.pppoe.tmb.ru. RU TAM)
1662485;1495763788;asciilifeform;'One application of the KNO is for testing of random number generators (RNGs). The idea is that it is extremely unlikely that a properly working RNG will generate the same random 128-bit number twice...'
1662486;1495763798;asciilifeform;sounds oddly familiar.
1662487;1495763890;shinohai;The faux phuctor of fi ! >.>
1662488;1495763946;asciilifeform;i admit that i dun quite grasp the logic : what, if usg makes 9,001 of these, the actual phuctor will disappear..?
1662489;1495763966;asciilifeform;the keyz -- unbreak ?
1662490;1495763979;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A59CB9E134497F26F2EDF3DFEA56640434761F790AF68FAC889D82C8C40F9801 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1714...0583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.6.237.191 (ssh-rsa key from 103.6.237.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MY)
1662491;1495763980;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A59CB9E134497F26F2EDF3DFEA56640434761F790AF68FAC889D82C8C40F9801 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...1253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.6.237.191 (ssh-rsa key from 103.6.237.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MY)
1662492;1495764173;phf;it's all about controlling the narrative
1662493;1495764195;mircea_popescu;heh.
1662494;1495764445;mircea_popescu;and in other "confusingly weird footage of nevertheless accurate romanian wood civilisation life, tools and etc", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbRVPP7hoVg
1662495;1495764497;mircea_popescu;(don't pluck live ducks -- you're supposed to wring neck first, steep in boiling water 2nd, then pluck ; don't chase pig around with meat cleaver, you need dagger to cut its jugular first.)
1662496;1495764708;hanbot;i'm pretty sure you're supposed to put things in water *before* you wring them, .ro clearly backwards
1662497;1495764715;mircea_popescu;lol
1662498;1495764727;shinohai;hue
1662499;1495765490;asciilifeform;!!up IamAGirlsoInever
1662500;1495765490;deedbot;IamAGirlsoInever voiced for 30 minutes.
1662501;1495765599;asciilifeform;IamAGirlsoInever: can't resist : ...never what ??
1662502;1495765629;IamAGirlsoInever;Do spam posts get defenstrated or will they appear in the logs?
1662503;1495765643;asciilifeform;everything appears in the logz.
1662504;1495765650;asciilifeform;king and slave and inbetween
1662505;1495765658;asciilifeform;ant and lion.
1662506;1495765661;IamAGirlsoInever;Weird, it killed the nick end apparently, was f*a*r*t of course.
1662507;1495765689;IamAGirlsoInever;ant appears regularly even when they mine a block with one tranny.
1662508;1495765719;IamAGirlsoInever;ok, spam then, don't know what will happen though, prolly get ignored as it should.
1662509;1495765728;IamAGirlsoInever;https://blockchain.info/payment_request?address=16au4MEVdqVzXtkpK96YTavkfSuT7iAruS&amount=25&message=So%20I%20can%20has%20some%20bitcoins
1662510;1495765754;asciilifeform;IamAGirlsoInever: satisfy my curiosity : why should anybody send you coin ?
1662511;1495765768;asciilifeform;give even 1 reason
1662512;1495765772;IamAGirlsoInever;they should not. I'm not offering anything in return.
1662513;1495765779;asciilifeform;at least honest.
1662514;1495765790;asciilifeform;what would you do with coin if you came across some, IamAGirlsoInever ?
1662515;1495765816;IamAGirlsoInever;I am always honestly dishonest. I really can't tell a lie very well, so I just tell the truth and use that to lie.
1662516;1495765825;asciilifeform;so let's hear...
1662517;1495765835;asciilifeform;why would you even want any
1662518;1495765862;IamAGirlsoInever;If I had some coins I would probably use them to attempt to find either cracks or other bugs in reference implementations. I could always just use the testnet, or setup my own.
1662519;1495765873;asciilifeform;y'know you don't need coin for that
1662520;1495765905;IamAGirlsoInever;I'm testing various implementations and social networks as well. Trilema is definetly interesting.
1662521;1495765925;asciilifeform;demonstrate an output of these tests ?
1662522;1495765926;*;shinohai pops popcorn ....
1662523;1495765940;asciilifeform;word 'test' implies a result..
1662524;1495765944;IamAGirlsoInever;Output? GIGO good stuff in, good stuff out.
1662525;1495765956;asciilifeform;link to example of 'good stuff' ?
1662526;1495765983;IamAGirlsoInever;test like science, double blind, use a premise, try to prove a point?
1662527;1495765998;asciilifeform;post. example. of something you tested. and the test result.
1662528;1495766007;IamAGirlsoInever;Link? thebitcoin.foundation vs bitcoin.foundation?
1662529;1495766026;asciilifeform;what trb item have you tested, IamAGirlsoInever ?
1662530;1495766064;IamAGirlsoInever;Oh, a test from way back when, I implemented an XML reader and negelected to cap off recursion, so I tried a file full of <_> commands, just open a short tag.
1662531;1495766084;asciilifeform;what's that got to do with thebitcoin.foundation ?
1662532;1495766096;IamAGirlsoInever;it of course blew my system away, but when I tested against everybody elses readers, their were bad too.
1662533;1495766125;phf;and that's how i became a hacker!
1662534;1495766128;asciilifeform;IamAGirlsoInever: it seems that you have mistook the address. the kindergarten door is three doors down.
1662535;1495766132;asciilifeform;!!down IamAGirlsoInever
1662536;1495766229;phf;asciilifeform: it's all about community building
1662537;1495766270;asciilifeform;i'ma consider that somebody was testing a perlbot.
1662538;1495766307;asciilifeform;( at this point you could quite easily write a IamAGiraffeAndILikeTesting bot..)
1662539;1495767457;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in dreamerland, "Join us on "Style Code Live" daily to connect, shop and chat live with fashion designers, beauty experts and celebrities! Discover today's best beauty hacks and the top style secrets!"
1662540;1495767502;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662482 << mikrotik, longtime-no-see
1662541;1495767502;a111;Logged on 2017-05-26 01:49 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
1662542;1495767570;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662477 << ahahahahaha https://inventory.by.undp.org >> 'UNITED NATIONS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME'
1662543;1495767570;a111;Logged on 2017-05-26 01:31 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...3557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM)
1662544;1495767573;asciilifeform;didjaknow
1662545;1495767611;asciilifeform;'We can save lives in Somalia  Our job today is not to just avert the imminent famine, but to keep hope alive.' lol
1662546;1495767702;asciilifeform;dafuq is it doing on belarus isp ?
1662547;1495767719;asciilifeform;and of what, gotta wonder, is the 'inventory'.
1662548;1495767764;asciilifeform;of 'grad' rockets for 'moderate rebels', betcha.
1662549;1495768594;BingoBoingo;You mean "weather rockets" for moderate rebel "meteorology experiments"
1662550;1495768616;asciilifeform;anal rockets, for moderate proctology experiments, who knows
1662551;1495768665;asciilifeform;the login form has the appearance of handwritten html, with no obvious crapolade, which is somewhat unusual.
1662552;1495768695;asciilifeform;( no js etc )
1662553;1495768708;asciilifeform;a kB or so.
1662554;1495768722;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/TN8Cx/?raw=true for posterity
1662555;1495768744;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9YaUs/?raw=true << css
1662556;1495768762;BingoBoingo;In other surprises, while digging to create point for anchoring tin shed in situ a wild concrete pad was found under shed. For ~15 years of ownership, twas ASSumed that metal shed was simply plopped down onto the dirt.
1662557;1495768790;asciilifeform;'Common Name (CN)	intranet.undp.by
1662558;1495768790;asciilifeform;Organization (O)	UNDP Belarus
1662559;1495768800;asciilifeform;Issued On	Friday, February 2, 2007 at 6:50:10 AM
1662560;1495768800;asciilifeform;Expires On	Saturday, February 2, 2008 at 6:50:10 AM'
1662561;1495768802;asciilifeform;lul.
1662562;1495768814;asciilifeform;cheapskates.
1662563;1495769065;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: walking on new street not long ago i saw an old tin shed that looked as if it had ~imploded~
1662564;1495769072;asciilifeform;still can't picture what might cause this.
1662565;1495769091;BingoBoingo;Frost heaving is what would case that
1662566;1495769102;BingoBoingo;*cause
1662567;1495769129;asciilifeform;looked exactly like the tin can children put on steam kettle and then into ice water, to watch implode
1662568;1495769173;asciilifeform;perhaps d00d kept a veeery large thermos in there, and broke..
1662569;1495769189;BingoBoingo;What happens is they anchor it to the ground without any consideration for the local frost depth or drainage, and then seasons change
1662570;1495769202;asciilifeform;or a fat pile of CRTs
1662571;1495769217;asciilifeform;nono BingoBoingo , ground-touching part was fine
1662572;1495769220;asciilifeform;roof -- imploded
1662573;1495769241;BingoBoingo;ah, Hit by tree limb? Hamplanet?
1662574;1495769266;asciilifeform;i naively imagine that if tree, it'd have flattened more of it, and would have been thrown out
1662575;1495769277;asciilifeform;but whoknows.
1662576;1495769287;BingoBoingo;Idiot shelving suppoted in middle by hanging from roof?
1662577;1495769293;asciilifeform;could be
1662578;1495769296;asciilifeform;nfi.
1662579;1495769944;BingoBoingo;In other research, OMG A TWO WHEELED TRACTOR!!! https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/yamaha/2016-2017-yamaha-tw200-ar171244.html
1662580;1495770027;BingoBoingo; “Neat little bike, and more fun than a barrel of monkeys to ride, evidenced by the grown men squealing like ten-year-old girls when they grab a fistful of throttle and try to twist it off. That’s something I do not recommend trying right away until you get a feel for it, ’cause the front end needs very little encouragement to come off the ground." << This thing is screaming for a sleeve hitch and moldboard plough
1662581;1495770057;ben_vulpes;https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/25/15690040/imzy-social-network-nicer-reddit-shutdown << die everyone and everything die
1662582;1495770231;ben_vulpes;"free-for-all and sometimes toxic social sites like Reddit"
1662583;1495770302;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why not plough by taking off one wheel
1662584;1495770314;asciilifeform;possibly no other mods needed..
1662585;1495770331;asciilifeform;press it down with yer own weight, by... riding
1662586;1495770390;BingoBoingo;Nah, power comes from rear wheel, would have to completely reverse the drivetrain and make front wheel drive
1662587;1495770456;asciilifeform;so remove front wheel
1662588;1495770506;ben_vulpes;oblig: http://rynomotors.com/
1662589;1495770539;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Then not a plough, but a trencher
1662590;1495770641;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'Volume consumer sales are targeted for late 2015.' lel
1662591;1495770641;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: That thing is too glossy, has to be vaporware
1662592;1495770664;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: see asciilifeform's comment
1662593;1495770697;ben_vulpes;when i could muster the shits to get down to "ev summit" or whateverthefuck they called it someone was noodling around on one
1662594;1495770712;ben_vulpes;high grade wankatronium
1662595;1495770817;asciilifeform;what exactly is the point of a vehicle that maxes out at 'speed of runner' ?
1662596;1495770862;asciilifeform;and range of runner, also..
1662597;1495770912;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if the original golden toilet of this genre, 'segway', had not bombed
1662598;1495770931;asciilifeform;why folx so eager to make new, and new
1662599;1495771016;asciilifeform;( the apotheosis moment of segway was when the chump who bought the co from the original sc4mz0r, finally drove his personal unit off a tall cliff ! )
1662600;1495771044;ben_vulpes;all downhill from there
1662601;1495771685;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes fwiw there's a "new, better, altenrative" for everything every week. kinda what the you know, "people ready with a gameplan if they suddenly got rich" spend their time with.
1662602;1495771736;ben_vulpes;i plan to buy retardedly nice wine
1662603;1495771749;ben_vulpes;that's about as much thought as ive put into disposing of my spoils
1662604;1495771757;mircea_popescu;prune juice. better! healthier! alternative!
1662605;1495771773;ben_vulpes;gross
1662606;1495771851;mircea_popescu;anyway. the problem with wine is that better wine and expensive wine do not well correlate. for the past 40 or so years europe sat on a lake of wine. you can have perfectly fine wines for the cost of the bottling, you can also spend as-much-as-you-want for idiot veblen americana.
1662607;1495771877;ben_vulpes;tell me about it
1662608;1495771899;ben_vulpes;not that anyone will ever believe me about the gorgeous product of the dundee hills
1662609;1495771912;mircea_popescu;eh, no terrine no wine.
1662610;1495771983;ben_vulpes;this is another word for terroir?
1662611;1495772004;mircea_popescu;~failed pun attempt.
1662612;1495772030;ben_vulpes;ah
1662613;1495772047;ben_vulpes;teh java has burnt my appreciation for wordplay to a stub
1662614;1495772063;mircea_popescu;most puns dun work, most wisdom is folly, sometrhing something the holly./
1662615;1495772068;ben_vulpes;fortunately this is only ever terpenorary
1662616;1495772089;ben_vulpes;and the green grass grows all around all around and the green grass grows all around
1662617;1495777861;BingoBoingo;The grass s always greener on BingoBoingo's side of the fence
1662618;1495779302;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/gianforte-and-sanity-prevail-in-montana-referendum-on-self-defense/ << Qntra - Gianforte And Sanity Prevail In Montana Referendum On Self Defense
1662619;1495779368;mircea_popescu;that was unexpected.
1662620;1495779422;BingoBoingo;4 srs
1662621;1495779622;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7797
1662622;1495779974;BingoBoingo;Montana prolly doesn't suck
1662623;1495780048;mircea_popescu;i trust the pantsuit clown party is well butthurt over the serious threat to ourdemocracy presented by inept child behaviour meeting some sort of correction in practice.
1662624;1495780176;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I hope this emergent trend grows into next spring's congressional primaries. Candidates eating a misdemeanor rap in exchange for pajama boy beating cred.
1662625;1495780180;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7808&pr=1
1662626;1495780201;mircea_popescu;i'd vote for a guy who beat up a redditard. how bad can he be ? he got the basics right.
1662627;1495780437;BingoBoingo;I know, right? And not just a plain cannon fodder redditard, but a GUARDIAN REDDITARD!
1662628;1495780447;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1662629;1495780558;BingoBoingo;It's like making things happen to Sam
1662630;1495780567;mircea_popescu;kik
1662631;1495780688;BingoBoingo;Make things happen to Sam, win the hearts of the locals!
1662632;1495780761;BingoBoingo;Sure the car may be French, but it's yours and the level 1337 GUARDIAN REDDITARD is going to know it
1662633;1495796426;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo So my consensus piece got removed from r/bitcoin, r/btc, and was DV'd into oblivion on r/buttcoin though it is still there.
1662634;1495796426;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1662635;1495796436;shinohai;I haz agiteated the locals
1662636;1495812460;mod6;mornin'
1662637;1495812495;asciilifeform;heya mod6
1662638;1495812498;asciilifeform;how goeth
1662639;1495812503;mod6;good! u?
1662640;1495812581;asciilifeform;mostly snoar
1662641;1495812645;mod6;werd
1662642;1495816835;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other non-news, http://www.nihamkin.com/2016/10/23/writing-linux-modules-in-ada-part-1
1662643;1495820515;mod6;hey, neat
1662644;1495820887;asciilifeform;mod6: somewhat relatedly, chased bug in ffa for a ~week : wanted to make FZ.Z a trimmable ( e.g. length set as optional param ) so as to enable karatsubaization (which does 0 useful without being able to, for it and nothing else, constrain the lenght of FZ)
1662645;1495820922;asciilifeform;mod6: but i forgot the rule that if you   type Blah(Optional : SomeMachineType := itsdefaultvalue) is record ....
1662646;1495820935;asciilifeform;than you're fucked because SomeMachineType is , say, 2**64
1662647;1495820948;asciilifeform;and the proggy will try to ALLOCATE THAT PER FZ
1662648;1495820959;asciilifeform;because such is the rule, it has to have room for max possible size...
1662649;1495820977;asciilifeform;(given as inside we have Z : Words(0 .. Optional)  ! )
1662650;1495821023;asciilifeform;to asciilifeform's shame , he instrumented the proggy in gdb, found nothing useful, in the end found with strace.
1662651;1495821068;BingoBoingo;lol shinohai
1662652;1495821121;asciilifeform;'bug' is not even right word here, mod6 ,
1662653;1495821147;asciilifeform;it's a classical 'my proggy doesn't work, because ada is harsh mistress' followed by week with book and bare hands/teeth and finally 'oh huh, i broke rule'
1662654;1495821157;mircea_popescu;shinohai is that good for altcoins ?
1662655;1495821254;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1662656;1495821260;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2265.01, vol: 25349.01115508 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2232.883, vol: 17179.80007 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2219.5, vol: 40761.18369692 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2186.955543, vol: 29505.09260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2261.257, vol: 10961.7372161 | Volume-weighted last average: 2226.61922601
1662657;1495821838;mod6;asciilifeform: aha.  i can tell you from my own recent adventures into learning ada that it is strict, and strong.
1662658;1495821879;asciilifeform;mod6: idea is to prevent runtime surprises at any cost.
1662659;1495821893;mod6;i set out to do something similar to what phf had been doing by writing some tests utilizing ffa.  but then i couldn't figure out how to even make a package with function or procedure that used a generic type.
1662660;1495821937;asciilifeform;ada generics are interesting, they are not like cpp templates, not mere string substitution -- the thing actually has to prove correct for any legal invocation, anywhere
1662661;1495821960;asciilifeform;( because it can in fact be invoked in ~arbitrary places, and with params not predetermined at compile time, unlike cpp template )
1662662;1495821985;mod6;so then i took a step back.  decided to do something like what the initial steps of my V do; list the contents of a directory, throw the filenames into a list using Doubly_Linked_Lists(Unbounded_String) and then attempt to pass them to another function that does further parsing.
1662663;1495822025;asciilifeform;i recommend to avoid unboundedstring and other runtime-heaptronic types, esp for n00bz
1662664;1495822038;mod6;So my progress was pretty solid.  But I'm not all the way there yet.
1662665;1495822067;asciilifeform;pragma Restrictions (No_Implicit_Heap_Allocations);
1662666;1495822082;asciilifeform;^ put at the head of your main body, and see what ends up barfing
1662667;1495822102;mod6;Oh yeha, for sure, normally, i wouldn't do such a thing.  but i'm just trying to grab the reins at this point. just get ~something~ to actually work.
1662668;1495822128;asciilifeform;i get this. but using heap is even more of 'adventure' in ada.
1662669;1495822148;asciilifeform;you will run against the 'access' (pointer) visibility rules, which are downright 'fascist'
1662670;1495822188;asciilifeform;( gotta prove to the compiler that pointer under NO circumstances can wander 'off the reservation', and it will reject certain obviously 'to naked eye' valid uses, and you will tear hair out )
1662671;1495822242;asciilifeform;for instance, the almost ubiquitous c-ism, of creating a pointer (ada 'access') variable on a procedure's local (stack) and passing it to something -- anything -- is illegal
1662672;1495822292;mod6;<+asciilifeform> i get this. but using heap is even more of 'adventure' in ada. << ahh, i see.
1662673;1495822312;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ^ put at the head of your main body, and see what ends up barfing << im gonna try this and see if that helps a bit more.
1662674;1495822345;asciilifeform;mod6: whole thing is a quite painful experience until it begins to dawn on you why the various 'fascisms' are there.
1662675;1495822348;mod6;this all makes sense, and for this strictness I like it.  im just not quite used to it all yet.
1662676;1495822362;asciilifeform;took asciilifeform year+ to 'get used to'
1662677;1495822369;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is this : you're an intelligent fellow that has interesting things to say, sometimes. some other times, however, you metamorphosize into dumbalf. i have no idea if it's the phases of the moon or what you ate that day or what, but the change is palpable.
1662678;1495822369;mircea_popescu;as it happens, dumbalf wishes to spend all its time, and if possible everyone else's time, engaged in the following infantile game : it will spend about half a second to come up with some strong statement that's evidently false, entirely predicated on ignorance, pure nonsense. then he'll defend it tooth and nail, for hours if need be, exploring every nook and cranny of stupid shit that could be said to defend stupid shit. thi
1662679;1495822369;mircea_popescu;s, of course, does nothing -- stupid shit is predictable and it's not going to catch smart people unprepared.
1662680;1495822372;mircea_popescu;but then, once however many also intelligent, also with interesting things to say folks have wasted however many hours of their life showing dumbalf that indeed, dumb=dumb and stupid=stupid, dumbalf will just spend ANOTHER half second to come up with another bit of nonsense, vaguely related if related at all, and pivot to that.
1662681;1495822375;mircea_popescu;but he pivots seamlessly, like duck in water, or if you prefer like textbook idiot : there's absolutely no sign whatsoever that all the time wasted on educating it left any kind of mark whatsoever -- a sad suspicion confirmed by the cyclical nature of the nonsense. so he'll proceed to defend the new half second half baked "idea" in the same manner.
1662682;1495822380;mircea_popescu;while you were still doing new material, this was merely tedious and unpleasant ; but since you're doing re-runs these days it's simply insufferable. ima take you off ignore now, but plox to bear in mind that too much dumbalf in the mix actually makes talking to you -ev.
1662683;1495822385;mod6;i figure, the more i work with it / use it, the easier it'll come.
1662684;1495822389;mod6;woah
1662685;1495822394;*;mircea_popescu waves.
1662686;1495822397;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1662687;1495822431;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we were doing adaisms, you probably did not miss anything mircea_popescuine
1662688;1495822544;mod6;mircea_popescu: was that a quote from somewhere, or your own text just in one large paste?
1662689;1495822586;mircea_popescu;mod6 sometimes i wish to re-read what i'm about to say, so i write it in advance.
1662690;1495822642;mod6;aha, yeah, i do the same sometimes too.
1662691;1495822654;mod6;<+asciilifeform> took asciilifeform year+ to 'get used to' << yeah, im def. at least a year behind  :/
1662692;1495822688;mod6;i really started getting into ada like... maybe a month or to ago, even though I kinda started nosing through the Ada 95 Ref book a while before.
1662693;1495822697;mod6;s/to/two
1662694;1495822722;mod6;im gonna keep working on it.  i figure after enough beatings, my morale will improve :]
1662695;1495822762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/41dLQ/?raw=true ( unrelatedly )
1662696;1495822862;asciilifeform;mod6: morale improves, at least in my experience, once you begin to write working proggy from 1st try, after period of banging head against compiler
1662697;1495822919;mod6;yah, it's a process.
1662698;1495823028;mod6;I read through ffa, and it 'makes sense' to me as far as what you're doing in most cases -- as I understand the intent of the expressions.  but i stand in awe, especially after trying my own hand at Ada, at what you've produced.
1662699;1495823061;asciilifeform;mod6: possibly it needs to be simpler, then, intent is that no 'awe' should result from reading it, it oughta be screamingly obvious
1662700;1495823079;asciilifeform;at some point i intend to try to convince mircea_popescu to read it and it'll be ultimate test
1662701;1495823101;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CVVIW/?raw=true
1662702;1495823124;mod6;I think what is simple, obvious, and kindergarden-esq to you, is, at least for me, still very impressive.
1662703;1495823303;asciilifeform;dun worry mod6 , soon you too will be jaded and not ever again impressed with ~anything ..!
1662704;1495823351;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662654   <<< Good for all agitated teat coins.
1662705;1495823351;a111;Logged on 2017-05-26 17:52 mircea_popescu: shinohai is that good for altcoins ?
1662706;1495823361;mod6;asciilifeform: haha, ok
1662707;1495823491;asciilifeform;mod6: it is probably possible to write a treatise re how proper programming is the art of the 'unsexy', of necessary but unexciting work , like well-mopped floor or well-peeled potato
1662708;1495823510;asciilifeform;but i suspect that it is already written, somewhere, i will not attempt to reinvent bicycle.
1662709;1495823652;mod6;ah, indeed.
1662710;1495825756;*;BingoBoingo presently surprised with performance of "tapcon" masonry drill bit performance in 12v drill. Slow, but no slower than hammer drill. Tis possible the space between compact drill and full blown rotary hammer is without future
1662711;1495825878;BingoBoingo;Certainly requires not much more pushing from operator.
1662712;1495825912;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you can drill ~anything if slowly enough
1662713;1495826548;BingoBoingo;Ah, but has gone from mind numbingly slow to, slow but on par with "feature checkbox"
1662714;1495839768;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'll read it, i'll read it.
1662715;1495840359;shinohai;l
1662716;1495840979;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other disadvantages of kissing all the random chicks / hanging out with "lesbians", i got the worst fucking cold ;/
1662717;1495841024;shinohai;El gripe! :(
1662718;1495841037;mircea_popescu;nah, some sort of staph i think
1662719;1495841066;shinohai;ouch
1662720;1495850677;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/379E605805EF5BA5DA1A039882EDBCFF02E932DE70567562516BA06826644F54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1785...6599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.192.74.124 (ssh-rsa key from 207.192.74.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li38-124.members.linode.com. US NJ)
1662721;1495850677;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/379E605805EF5BA5DA1A039882EDBCFF02E932DE70567562516BA06826644F54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1626...1193 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.192.74.124 (ssh-rsa key from 207.192.74.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li38-124.members.linode.com. US NJ)
1662722;1495860376;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/26/the-new-public-library-evermore-public-everless-library/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The new public library: evermore public, everless library.
1662723;1495864594;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1662724;1495864600;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2097.94, vol: 29770.19377701 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1951.998, vol: 20573.0277 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1935.0, vol: 46597.21613605 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1877.734459, vol: 30800.04800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2015.0, vol: 10614.8620455 | Volume-weighted last average: 1965.97721428
1662725;1495887471;shinohai;Buenas Dias Sr.'s y Sra.'s !
1662726;1495887593;mircea_popescu;hola.
1662727;1495887765;shinohai;How goes mircea_popescu ?
1662728;1495887798;*;shinohai is sitting on pation having coffee and listening to a blue-jay and squirrel trade insults.
1662729;1495887806;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1662730;1495887827;mircea_popescu;i'm not bad, writing scathing religious tract, kinda curious if danielpbarron won't like me anymore after he reads it.
1662731;1495887853;shinohai;For what it's worth, *my* estimation of you will likely increase.
1662732;1495888002;shinohai;http://archive.is/vBDLw "Please, someone I WANT A JOB TOO"
1662733;1495888011;shinohai;(Brought to you by Preet)
1662734;1495888155;mircea_popescu;trying to find that zaragoza destroyed fresco, of which i'm sure i wrote, i ended up with, among other detritus, http://trilema.com/2012/criptograma-starii-lucrurilor-celor-moi-de-mijloc/
1662735;1495888160;shinohai;!!up dvsdude
1662736;1495888160;deedbot;dvsdude voiced for 30 minutes.
1662737;1495888183;dvsdude;hello
1662738;1495888221;mircea_popescu;shinohai you know, if all those useless libertards that clicked the heart button gave him a buck, he could almost make mortgage payments.
1662739;1495888225;mircea_popescu;pity they don't have a buck.
1662740;1495888254;shinohai;We support you *morally* tho Preet.
1662741;1495888260;shinohai;hey dvsdude
1662742;1495888300;dvsdude;hey how goes it
1662743;1495888343;shinohai;Not bad here dvsdude and yourself? What brings you here?
1662744;1495888388;dvsdude;sorry didn't mean to interrupt
1662745;1495888396;shinohai;No worries.
1662746;1495888455;dvsdude;not sure if anyone remembers me
1662747;1495888496;shinohai;!!gettrust dvsdude
1662748;1495888496;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1662749;1495888511;dvsdude;ya i know
1662750;1495888587;dvsdude;had a question back in the day on bitcoin-assets
1662751;1495888597;shinohai;Apparently you've been around lurking a while, I see your name in the logs a couple of times
1662752;1495888616;dvsdude;pro lurker
1662753;1495888654;dvsdude;guilty
1662754;1495888732;shinohai;So what are you working on these days?
1662755;1495888819;dvsdude;opinions
1662756;1495888933;shinohai;Well I am quite certain you will find a never-ending supply of *those* on the internet.
1662757;1495888980;dvsdude;this is true
1662758;1495889012;dvsdude;how many can be trusted thou
1662759;1495889082;shinohai;If only there were a tool readily available that helped persons make trust decisions ....
1662760;1495889135;dvsdude;someone brought up an old investment I had on a forum
1662761;1495889154;dvsdude;not sure what to make of it
1662762;1495889289;shinohai;In other household accessories: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA1EDGUXgAAovyX.jpg
1662763;1495889528;mircea_popescu;bejeweled!
1662764;1495889634;mircea_popescu;in other sads, google image search is ~useless for searching in specified site.
1662765;1495889640;shinohai;Can double a fire sprinkler!
1662766;1495892694;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/ << Trilema - And don't go around upgrading the Testaments, either.
1662767;1495893311;mircea_popescu;and in special ben_vulpes orders : they now have a festival! http://bazavan.ro/2017/05/povestea-awake-festival/
1662768;1495893409;Framedragger;what a pretty girl and a pretty palace!
1662769;1495893448;mircea_popescu;by pretty girl you mean the dork in the blue tshirt ?
1662770;1495893822;Framedragger;it's more black innit... yeah what can i say, i like her face!
1662771;1495893839;shinohai;I like the site design, pretty clean.
1662772;1495893840;Framedragger;photo itself is stupid
1662773;1495893891;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB5928F262B597F6209C746F059A82DE507EC6C899633B91C9E942361F474519 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...8123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.56.168.24 (ssh-rsa key from 203.56.168.24 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AU)
1662774;1495893892;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB5928F262B597F6209C746F059A82DE507EC6C899633B91C9E942361F474519 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1545...2627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.56.168.24 (ssh-rsa key from 203.56.168.24 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AU)
1662775;1495893954;mircea_popescu;the author (simona bazavan), failed tv starlet, then went into management (ringier)
1662776;1495894005;mircea_popescu;most of her experience is in publishing those shitty "women magazine" things.
1662777;1495894057;diana_coman;is that simona related to cristina bazavan?
1662778;1495894082;mircea_popescu;o fuck. diana_coman no , you;'re right, that's her.
1662779;1495894088;mircea_popescu;nfi why i ended up with simona lol
1662780;1495894090;diana_coman;I still read that thing as one of the 10001 atrocious "story - advertisement" shit that I can't stand
1662781;1495894102;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1662782;1495894107;mircea_popescu;woke church.
1662783;1495895812;shinohai;https://www.renesas.com/en-in/media/about/press-center/news/2012/20120621.jpg mosfetish, a bdsm site for kinky electronic engineers
1662784;1495895827;*;shinohai wonders if such a paraphilia exists ....
1662785;1495896122;mircea_popescu;insertions and everything ?
1662786;1495897886;mircea_popescu;and in other obscura nobody can possibly care about, helen rappaport is a fine example indeed of the "new intellectual". television starlet without work, ended up taking a job for an "academic publisher" in her 40s, once she finally understood ~nobody cares to see her. within a decade she had absorbed all the "wiswom" and "knowleshee" that'd fit, and she was writing "books" and emanating "scholarship" of her own.
1662787;1495897941;mircea_popescu;in caragiale's words, there are waiters who've listened in on so many intellectual conversations, they can take out your average university professor, especially if they go about it quickly.
1662788;1495897982;mircea_popescu;this is about two thirds of the anglo "anthropology", "psychology" and "sociology" by mass.
1662789;1495898048;mircea_popescu;the notion that someone somewhere takes the rappaports & "allies" seriously is so fucking alien it fails to even register as obscene. but it fucking should, because it fucking is.
1662790;1495902949;mod6; mornin'
1662791;1495903021;mircea_popescu;heya.
1662792;1495905970;ben_vulpes;http://www.kgw.com/news/crime/1-dead-2-injured-in-stabbing-at-hollywood-transit-center-in-ne-portland/443422022
1662793;1495906915;mircea_popescu;judging by the weapon, i take this was a white man opressing innocents as opposed to black man righteously punishing dnc defectors ?
1662794;1495907008;mircea_popescu;ah yes, check that out. complete with "call to come together" and other she-ministrations "against haet".
1662795;1495907335;ben_vulpes;pretty funny how eudaly wants to come together and support the women instead of saying anything about the (admittedly nearly epsilon) valor of the individuals attempting to exercise some meager amount of sovereignty, even if it was just to not have an assault on their commute
1662796;1495907362;ben_vulpes;"our heartfelt support to the women and others who were targeted!"
1662797;1495907385;ben_vulpes;puh-fuckin-thetic
1662798;1495907584;mod6;I have re-run all three entropy collections from FG #1 with 'fullblock', here are the results: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run1.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run1.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run2.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run2.txt
1662799;1495907593;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run3.txt
1662800;1495907604;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run3.txt
1662801;1495907632;mod6;Now, I just need to re-run one more test from FG #2, then the collections will be complete, all using 'fullblock'.
1662802;1495910140;mircea_popescu;nice
1662803;1495914429;mod6;should be done ~ a day.
1662804;1495921432;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632891 << https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/05/22/the-accusation
1662805;1495921432;a111;Logged on 2017-03-27 19:31 asciilifeform: as ben_vulpes knows well, in usa bureaucrats have personal immunity for ~everything they do on the clock (unless they get purged by the party, in which case they become liable for anything and everything, but this helps you 0 )
1662806;1495922019;Framedragger;https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/05/22/the-accusation << OT, but what the fuck is this shit: http://i.imgur.com/e25Anbn.png do the "designers" seriously think this makes it easier to read? because that's how the eye worx? saccadic movements, bitch
1662807;1495922051;Framedragger;finally web 69.0 standards are able to match the newest 2017 attention span of 0.25 seconds - enough to read a line. wtf!
1662808;1495922127;Framedragger;(see as you scroll, it adjusts the location of the blur. genius)
1662809;1495922162;*;Framedragger seriously started doubting his eyesight while scrolling. "maybe too much computer time for me?"
1662810;1495922241;Framedragger;(on the plus side, text loads on lynx, including those transcript excerpts.)
1662811;1495928120;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how the fuck they can pretend to "democracy" an' "rule o' law" without putting those schmucks in jail is anyone's guess.
1662812;1495928205;shinohai;-->	ag3nt_zer0 has joined #trilema  <<< Haven't noticed that name in a while. O.o
1662813;1495928457;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : the fda was actually established in 1938, on the heels of ~100 people dying from diethylene glycol poisoning. they were trying to take sulfanilamide (dye byproduct), at the time (prior to penicillin) the only known bactericide.
1662814;1495935699;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2FF5749E516F6BD5771D2750576865E92B6A10F86BDB16BB67A681C2F7C5DE69 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1568...5163 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.253.1.55 (ssh-rsa key from 213.253.1.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (milano.jezdik.info. GB)
1662815;1495935699;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2FF5749E516F6BD5771D2750576865E92B6A10F86BDB16BB67A681C2F7C5DE69 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1380...3589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.253.1.55 (ssh-rsa key from 213.253.1.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (milano.jezdik.info. GB)
1662816;1495935699;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1020199F9D71DB01803DBBBC5D079E19D05E2E39918E1F7FFE053DD7D7FABC62 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1642...7327 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.182.62.90 (ssh-rsa key from 62.182.62.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (90-62.182.62.static.priorweb.net. BE)
1662817;1495935700;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1020199F9D71DB01803DBBBC5D079E19D05E2E39918E1F7FFE053DD7D7FABC62 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1377...1257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.182.62.90 (ssh-rsa key from 62.182.62.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (90-62.182.62.static.priorweb.net. BE)
1662818;1495943215;mircea_popescu;and in other science fiction : imagine a xenomorph that actually lived off radioactive decay. it'd get to use the fabled hepta-dna arrangement, and obviously have very active teleomerase. then it could uptake whatever relevant radioisotope into special beryl vacuoles, and colimate it into a specially built "tunnel" made out of whatever oxidables arranged with the oxigen in. then the oxigens are knocked off, and the lifeform o
1662819;1495943216;mircea_popescu;btains energy by re-oxidizing the item.
1662820;1495943224;mircea_popescu;basically a sort of plant-for-pulsars, i guess.
1662821;1495944599;BingoBoingo;Wonder how their speed would compare
1662822;1495944625;mircea_popescu;hard to tell...
1662823;1495944681;mircea_popescu;probably faster than plants, slower than insects.
1662824;1495944786;BingoBoingo;Prolly prettier than mold
1662825;1495944805;mircea_popescu;prolly, colorful from all the heavy metals / ionization going on
1662826;1495944841;mircea_popescu;certainly immune to traditional agressors lol
1662827;1495945021;BingoBoingo;AHA.
1662828;1495948324;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1662829;1495948332;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2207.97, vol: 26141.05997268 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2074.5, vol: 21621.8843 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2079.9, vol: 41301.91977516 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2246.86, vol: 24414.45620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2140.69, vol: 11971.4354941 | Volume-weighted last average: 2143.94990148
1662830;1495960671;jurov;imo would be very -ev to gain just few O radicals per decay
1662831;1495960904;jurov;but on the other side, there are fungi that use melatonin to grow from radiation, without need for beryllium vacuoles
1662832;1495972760;*;BingoBoingo imagining the irridescent rainbow lichens
1662833;1495977660;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D3CB5744C5D4A6AE09F0E68291E0D6277E7D11BEAA84DC44745891669ACBC171 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1144...4237 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.13 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1662834;1495977660;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D3CB5744C5D4A6AE09F0E68291E0D6277E7D11BEAA84DC44745891669ACBC171 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1101...1223 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.13 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1662835;1495977660;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B25034B5B1E234B0EAF0D682DF3DB56C4D406324BB377511994F1A75B47A24B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1101...1223 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.23 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.23 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1662836;1495977661;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B25034B5B1E234B0EAF0D682DF3DB56C4D406324BB377511994F1A75B47A24B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1170...0303 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.23 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.23 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1662837;1495990999;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B7C1161C91CC5078BFC29ECEC5BDF1C6E106B27DBB262E4D521D511E28CC06BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1449...3839 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.99.188.90 (ssh-rsa key from 177.99.188.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kusma90.static.host.gvt.net.br. BR PR)
1662838;1495990999;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B7C1161C91CC5078BFC29ECEC5BDF1C6E106B27DBB262E4D521D511E28CC06BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1709...3603 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.99.188.90 (ssh-rsa key from 177.99.188.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kusma90.static.host.gvt.net.br. BR PR)
1662839;1496012369;BingoBoingo;Oh my, very Trilema header today!
1662840;1496022818;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo possibly a little much huh.
1662841;1496023041;BingoBoingo;Much, Butt not too. In this we can be butt trusted.
1662842;1496024632;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/UG0yy << Failure to own up
1662843;1496030464;ben_vulpes;http://mitbitcoinexpo.org/ << must be trolling at this point
1662844;1496042095;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/merkel-gets-cocky-after-pantsuit-partys-macron-win-in-france/ << Qntra - Merkel Gets Cocky After Pantsuit Party's Macron Win In France
1662845;1496065485;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6E468EDC97CC088F25077DC85B339B8626D842EB699C9CA30D9CA969C6A3B9DE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1770...8839 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.82.75.19 (ssh-rsa key from 195.82.75.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.datadienst.de. DE)
1662846;1496065485;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6E468EDC97CC088F25077DC85B339B8626D842EB699C9CA30D9CA969C6A3B9DE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...6433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.82.75.19 (ssh-rsa key from 195.82.75.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.datadienst.de. DE)
1662847;1496066335;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662842 << ahahaha that shit's great, are you kidding me ?
1662848;1496066335;a111;Logged on 2017-05-29 02:23 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/UG0yy << Failure to own up
1662849;1496066344;mircea_popescu;it's SO fucking stupid it stands all on its own.
1662850;1496066457;mircea_popescu;ahahaha "thought leader". wtf IS WITH THEIR FACES
1662851;1496066473;mircea_popescu;like humanized rat parade, what is this, dreamworks mit lab ?
1662852;1496066621;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "comments on the campaign trailed followed"
1662853;1496066739;shinohai;If you neeced any more proof the whole MIT expo thing is just a troll .... "Doge Doggie" listed on page with the various other "Let's make Bitcoin liek Ethereum" scammers.
1662854;1496066764;mircea_popescu;heh
1662855;1496066784;shinohai;"All attendees received source code for a reddit tipbot that steals all user funds at a random date in the future."
1662856;1496066789;mircea_popescu;i think at this point the entirely scammy nature of mit is established beyond possible doubt.
1662857;1496066827;*;shinohai wonders if it wasn't Gavin dressed up in doge costume ....."
1662858;1496066856;mircea_popescu;lel
1662859;1496067867;shinohai;!!up lounge-user
1662860;1496067868;deedbot;lounge-user voiced for 30 minutes.
1662861;1496068752;mircea_popescu;lol
1662862;1496069873;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/my-new-bitch-yellow-her-mom-played-da-cello/ << Trilema - My new bitch yellow ; her mom played da cello.
1662863;1496074484;mod6;mornin'
1662864;1496074856;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty fxd
1662865;1496074869;mircea_popescu;coo
1662866;1496074889;mircea_popescu;btw mod6 kickass work with the FG auditing, i gotta say.
1662867;1496075109;mod6;thanks!  last dieharder test is running now, actually.
1662868;1496076853;mod6;OK here are the results from a recollection of entropy (with 'fullblock') from FG #2: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run1.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run1.txt
1662869;1496076928;mod6;So that should conclude the collections for now.  I'll be putting some effort into some fg-anal sometime soon -- maybe nothing more than some basic facts extrapolated from the test results per collection and links to the raw results.
1662870;1496076954;mod6;Anyway, we'll see.  :]
1662871;1496077842;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1662873;1496077910;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-fake-literature/ << Trilema - The fake literature
1662874;1496079330;ben_vulpes;in which isis reign in the phillipines expaaands https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-isis-marawi-militant.html
1662875;1496080157;mircea_popescu;lmao wtf did they do, retrofitted air-ground missiles on medical helicopters ?
1662876;1496080338;mircea_popescu;"Hostilities erupted last week when the military and the police moved to arrest Isnilon Hapilon, the Islamic State’s anointed leader in the Philippines and head of an Abu Sayyaf faction."
1662877;1496080352;mircea_popescu;cool. state gotta learn this "arrest" business ain't all it's cracked up to be.
1662878;1496080843;ben_vulpes;globalization, also not all it's cracked up to be
1662879;1496080877;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "Taboola adheres to the Digital Advertising Alliance Self-Regulatory Principles for Online Behavioral Advertising, a program run by the Digital Advertising Alliance and the Digital Advertising Alliance Canada with the goal of providing Internet users transparency and control."
1662880;1496080893;mircea_popescu;i am somewhat confused to see there's no consensus in there.
1662881;1496080893;ben_vulpes;ah, america. do you remember when you believed that 'terrorism' was a geographically constrained thing you could wage war on in a conventional fashion?
1662882;1496080903;ben_vulpes;shoulda listened to robb when you had the chance.
1662883;1496080919;mircea_popescu;robb stark ?
1662884;1496080944;ben_vulpes;john robb, pet dissenter in the 'small wars strategy' orbit of washington
1662885;1496081011;mircea_popescu;oh the early internet research dude
1662886;1496081213;ben_vulpes;i don't really know what you mean by early internet research dude
1662887;1496081327;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this john robb guy, kept a blog for a while about guerilla warfare whatever ; but before that he was with forrester research, kept doing pieces that were more cogent that most. re browser wars, re social me,dia, etc
1662888;1496081328;mircea_popescu;90s.
1662889;1496081388;mircea_popescu;i think now he's turned towards a slightly more self-empowered version of lafond-ism, "structured communities" or somesuch.
1662890;1496081458;ben_vulpes;ah yeah. mhm, that's the one.
1662891;1496081521;ben_vulpes;"resilient" and "antifragile" are the shibboleths
1662892;1496081659;mircea_popescu;right right.
1662893;1496081670;mircea_popescu;not altogether a stupid idea in theory.
1662894;1496081691;mircea_popescu;an incredibly stupid idea in practice, because ~all it does is allow cheap double defection, which is pretty much suicidal in context.
1662895;1496082064;ben_vulpes;elaborate on cheap double defection?
1662896;1496082279;mircea_popescu;consider the more obvious / discussed in the logs case of "nuclear war preparedness". if you model the us cca 1960 as the existence of two tribes, type a which didn't believe there's imminent risk of nuclear winter and type b which did believe there's imminent risk of nuclear winter, the fact that type b doctrine included "no need to separate from type a, we can just have some shit bolted on" allows random population member X
1662897;1496082279;mircea_popescu; the space to CLAIM appartenence to type b without actually incurring any of the cost.
1662898;1496082358;mircea_popescu;do you recall that ridiculous "bunker" with 30% dedicated to "motorcycles" and a few fish tanks "For food"  ? that sort of cvasi-religious nonsense is the end result -- resources are diverted towards making a show of compliance with designs that are dysfunctional by their very nature.
1662899;1496082389;mircea_popescu;basically, the agent defects from a to b and then defects from b back to a sort of "skeptical a".
1662900;1496082413;mircea_popescu;~how the whole "ironic" bs got started.
1662901;1496082634;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-11#1048613 << check it out, meanwhile disappeared
1662902;1496082634;a111;Logged on 2015-03-11 14:24 nubbins`: re: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
1662903;1496082788;mircea_popescu;http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/9000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
1662904;1496082822;Framedragger;http://web.archive.org/web/20160311124607/http://ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg great feeling when the ~whole "web" experience is a matter of using third party archive providers to dig up shit that has dissolved hence
1662905;1496082831;Framedragger;:(
1662906;1496082840;mircea_popescu;wtf happened here, the site's still on, still SELLING the shit. what, they saw it linked from logs, and deleted it ?
1662907;1496082909;Framedragger;attempting to grok "causal structure" of "modern web" is recipe for madness, best to avoid!..
1662908;1496082939;mircea_popescu;"Our proprietary-engineered design makes our underground bunkers the strongest and safest on the market. We have revolutionized the underground bunker industry by placing our main structural frame on the inside to protect your family and belongings from moisture on the outside. Ghe exterior 1/4-thick steel skin is coated with Epoxy Coal Tar to guarantee your new 10 x 20 Underground Bunker will last a lifetime." this, of cours
1662909;1496082939;mircea_popescu;e, found on http://ultimatebunker.com/product/30-x-50-custom-underground-bunker/
1662910;1496082978;mircea_popescu;anyway, the ridiculous item in question reserved an immense space for "motorbike garage" and a tiny space for "aquaculture" in the shape of cubic foot fishtanks ; in same room, rabbit cages, same size.
1662911;1496083011;mircea_popescu;it's a level of superficial idiocy that can't be matched outside of these double-defection situations, for which it is typical in the exact way stench is typical of filth.
1662912;1496083050;Framedragger;!#s aquaponics
1662913;1496083050;a111;7 results for "aquaponics", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=aquaponics
1662914;1496083063;Framedragger;never bothered to find out if there's any merit to that ^
1662915;1496083078;mircea_popescu;to what ?
1662916;1496083118;Framedragger;aquaponics - having a (umm) self-contained plant growth and fish system for food? i'm not even sure what it is. "save lots of space" is one of the arguments iirc
1662917;1496083137;mircea_popescu;well i mean what, in the general ? of course there's merit to it, that's how... earth works.
1662918;1496083164;Framedragger;(one example i've been sorta following is https://automicrofarm.com/ - they don't have much to show tho, not sure if ever will)
1662919;1496083173;Framedragger;heh, yeah, okay
1662920;1496083184;mircea_popescu;let me ask you this. what is the objective limit to the height of the roof ?
1662921;1496083214;Framedragger;how objective? like, armstrong limit objective?
1662922;1496083217;mircea_popescu;yes.
1662923;1496083241;Framedragger;so that, then. :) right, quite a bit of space for stacking, heh.
1662924;1496083282;mircea_popescu;point being : there's these inflection points, yes ? is there any merit to this "atmosphere indoors" notion ?
1662925;1496083288;mircea_popescu;depends how tall you build!
1662926;1496083294;Framedragger;hrm, yeah.
1662927;1496083341;mircea_popescu;now, is there any merit to armstrong roof ~in your closet~ ? no, there fucking isn't.
1662928;1496083363;mircea_popescu;"but what if i put it sideways"
1662929;1496083380;mircea_popescu;"i'm gonna construct an angle fiddler, it's clearly to do with the angle"
1662930;1496083381;mircea_popescu;etc.
1662931;1496083467;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent -- the reason armstrong limit is an abolute limit on the height of the roof is because by the time it rains in your room you can no longer claim to have a roof above it.)
1662932;1496086193;phf;asciilifeform: i picked up that harakiri book, enjoying it so far
1662933;1496086367;phf;(actually i'm not sure if it's the right book, but i got "hara-kiri: japanese ritual suicide" by jack stewart)
1662934;1496086504;mod6;anyway, incase anyone cares, on openbsd once I connect my FG via USB-TTL, i was able to use device 'cuaU0' to read from the FG:
1662935;1496086518;mod6;stty -f /dev/cuaU0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok
1662936;1496086527;mod6;dd if=/dev/cuaU0 | hexdump -C
1662937;1496086534;mod6;... entropy
1662938;1496086557;mod6;*PLEASE NOTE THE SMALL -f* instead of the analog capital F on linux machines.
1662939;1496086629;mod6;ymmv as far as the device name... just thought this might help someone
1662940;1496086790;mircea_popescu;and in other impressive tightness, http://i.4cdn.org/b/1496086339138.webm
1662941;1496087518;shinohai;I see your impressive tightness and raise you 11-year-old virginal tightness ..... http://archive.is/m4JhF
1662942;1496087528;shinohai;"Stop teh rape!"
1662943;1496087628;mircea_popescu;eh, what is this retarded bullshit.
1662944;1496087636;mircea_popescu;o wait, more nytimes fake news ? mmkay.
1662945;1496087773;ben_vulpes;doesn't even mention which sect in particular
1662946;1496087867;mircea_popescu;the retarded bullshit, "here's a person for whom gatorade didn't work so now nobody may have any!"
1662947;1496087883;mircea_popescu;who can even take the libertard bullshit seriously ?
1662948;1496087937;mircea_popescu;there's more people dead through domestic electrocution than there's underage-married-girls dead through domestic abuse. BAN ELECTRICITY IN THE HOME!!11
1662949;1496087988;phf;i believe that's already been propose in the log
1662950;1496088010;mircea_popescu;oh, i should also consider prior art before doing my girlscout project ?!
1662951;1496088144;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649283
1662952;1496088144;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 03:58 mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the point of whether more than 1 in 1000 humans actually have need for electrical power.
1662953;1496088233;mircea_popescu;:p
1662954;1496091306;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-27#1662730 << trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/#comment-122136
1662955;1496091306;a111;Logged on 2017-05-27 12:23 mircea_popescu: i'm not bad, writing scathing religious tract, kinda curious if danielpbarron won't like me anymore after he reads it.
1662956;1496091449;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661728 << Boom at Pilot's Point in Westbrook, The Chelsea in Fairfield, Little Pub in Greenwich
1662957;1496091449;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 14:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661639 << wait, in ~connecticut~ ? they have pretty decent restaurants there, which were the top 3 ?
1662958;1496091556;danielpbarron;i could mention some deli-style places with really good food: Harborview Market in Bridgeport, and Mindy K's in Old Saybrook
1662959;1496091593;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661693 << thought i had it configured to chop up. not sure what happened there
1662960;1496091593;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 14:05 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you gotta have a talk with your client, it's not ok to cut your overlong sentences, must send as multiline.
1662961;1496091832;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron your comment got cut ?
1662962;1496091939;mircea_popescu;anyway, the only restaurant i ever saw in ct was something weirdly named in the middle of hartford.
1662963;1496091986;mircea_popescu;afaik j-l gerin also either made or was making some model restaurant but i never chased it.
1662964;1496092301;danielpbarron;i forgot a " on my trilema comment, unrelated to the "chop up" mentioned above
1662965;1496092329;mircea_popescu;But consider instead that Christ was <
1662966;1496092349;danielpbarron;yeah there. I posted the rest in another comment which is pending moderation
1662967;1496092354;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1662968;1496092388;danielpbarron;i stick to shoreline CT. don't know much about things up north. been to hartford maybe a couple times
1662969;1496092484;mircea_popescu;on20 it was.
1662970;1496093194;mircea_popescu;and there were also a bunch of germanz doing their take of french cuisine etc. but anyway.
1662971;1496095818;danielpbarron;!!up erlehmann
1662972;1496095818;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1662973;1496099186;*;asciilifeform back at his station nao
1662974;1496099378;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662933 << correct b00k, phf . was most interesting imho re its discussion of the ~debasement~ of proper seppuku.
1662975;1496099378;a111;Logged on 2017-05-29 19:32 phf: (actually i'm not sure if it's the right book, but i got "hara-kiri: japanese ritual suicide" by jack stewart)
1662976;1496099387;asciilifeform;how it slowly went to shit.
1662977;1496099702;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662911 << moar of an elementary 'those who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense" (tm)(r)(vonneumann)
1662978;1496099702;a111;Logged on 2017-05-29 18:36 mircea_popescu: it's a level of superficial idiocy that can't be matched outside of these double-defection situations, for which it is typical in the exact way stench is typical of filth.
1662979;1496099719;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
1662980;1496099752;asciilifeform;well, d00dz who don't bother to figure out, how many joules of light even hit the 'garden', even supposing more than a few % ended up in food...
1662981;1496099789;asciilifeform;( this re the indoor gardening bit. it is not difficult to try it, the surest cure for 'bunker garden' notion is to try the indoor tomato thing )
1662982;1496099823;asciilifeform;now if somebody coughed up a doctored ~efficient~ mod of RuBisCO...
1662983;1496099824;mircea_popescu;ah, yes. but the thing is -- the clueless could in principle be clueless about anything in any way, and on the basis of such simple model you'd expect normal distribution, with most not doing anything in particular. whereas the theory here is that ellaborate nonsense is always driven by this situation when a broken ideology encounters a weak reformist group and then idiots end up double-defecting, once into the reformists and
1662984;1496099825;mircea_popescu; once out.
1662985;1496099863;asciilifeform;i have nfi whether this applies to the bunker aficionados
1662986;1496099877;asciilifeform;afaik they could be earnest believers in the postapocalyptic value of the harley.
1662987;1496099887;asciilifeform;because watched 'mad max'.
1662988;1496099905;mircea_popescu;but the point is that their temple will never be put to the test.
1662989;1496099946;asciilifeform;how much this even changes when it ~is~ put to test ? e.g. the folx during the plague who carried around paper talisman, word 'arsenicum' (because obtaining actual arsenic for talisman costs a little more..)
1662990;1496099961;mircea_popescu;similar example, say, "homeopathy", is a level of complexity in nonsense inexplicable on the basis of simple dynamics. but the necessary requisite for its appearance is very good general health services -- then people can afford to "not trust doctors" and "practice alternative medicine" but in the sense of... not really practicing anythinbg in particular.
1662991;1496099978;asciilifeform;(or fast forward to modern ameristan and antiterrorist talismans)
1662992;1496099986;mircea_popescu;they have that ?
1662993;1496099993;asciilifeform;aha, in every airport
1662994;1496099998;mircea_popescu;"don't bomb me, i have two wives" ?
1662995;1496100001;mircea_popescu;ah lol.
1662996;1496100036;mircea_popescu;to my eyes that's still a match : inasmuch as there's no actual terrorists actually bothering with it, the "dept of homeland security" may continue to departmentr of homeland securitize about.
1662997;1496100046;mircea_popescu;if there were actual selective pressure, it'd change or disappear. but there isn't.
1662998;1496100055;asciilifeform;aaaah yes this
1662999;1496100085;mircea_popescu;so basically, in that example, people defecterd from vhs-america, through creating "tough on terrorism" pantsuiterica. but then ALSO defected from that, because really.
1663000;1496100098;mircea_popescu;leaving behind the present situation, meaningful to no one and effectual in no way.
1663001;1496100112;asciilifeform;or consider the elaborate dog&pony show of ameri-courts. also works strictly in absence of much serious organized uppitiness.
1663002;1496100145;asciilifeform;( in the contrary, there would be 'troikas' instead of courts presided over by preet )
1663003;1496100146;mircea_popescu;right, the law became complex as interest in legality plumeted.
1663004;1496100246;mircea_popescu;basically, to the original point, this "soft alternative" approach to a present problem is a transcription of the bikeshed approach to decision making.
1663005;1496100274;asciilifeform;believe or not, i do not know the story behind the infamous 'bike shed'
1663006;1496100279;asciilifeform;why is it called so
1663007;1496100284;mircea_popescu;"are you with the mainstream or with the resilient communities ?" "oh, we're ~seeing past that~". etc.
1663008;1496100314;mircea_popescu;i thought it was a literal case of a bike shed becoming the sink of discussion.
1663009;1496100348;asciilifeform;yes but how does the legend go. where, and why, did this take place
1663010;1496100351;mircea_popescu;something with a nuke plant
1663011;1496100364;mircea_popescu;!~google parkinson bike shed
1663012;1496100365;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Parkinson's Law of Triviality - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality>; Wikipedia:Avoid Parkinson's Bicycle Shed Effect - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson%2527s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect>; bikeshedding - Wiktionary: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding>
1663013;1496100388;asciilifeform;'The requested page title contains invalid characters: "%27".' << lel
1663014;1496100410;asciilifeform;aah lolk
1663015;1496100425;asciilifeform;fictional, then, story.
1663016;1496100448;mircea_popescu;well yeah. the terminology of the proponent.
1663017;1496100462;asciilifeform;but familiar to anyone who ever met 'web d00d' who spent a year on colours and 'styleshit' and 0 on mechanics
1663018;1496100853;ben_vulpes;excellent sink of 'investor' attention
1663019;1496100868;ben_vulpes;"i just don't think it pops enough yet"
1663020;1496100921;asciilifeform;theoretically one could distinguish the cases of this caused by organic stupidity of the one doing it, from when it is done with cold calculation, to bamboozle investor/customer/misc. idiot
1663021;1496101130;mircea_popescu;how ?
1663022;1496101180;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes every time i hear the "pop" nonsense i think of the guy with the dropshadows. makes the font pop right off the page!
1663023;1496101433;ben_vulpes;have we tried it with 3d fonts yet?
1663024;1496102423;mircea_popescu;someone should make fonts with coocoos coming out
1663025;1496104592;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/ << Trilema - Re-reading is the most powerful tool...
1663026;1496105381;mod6;evenin'
1663027;1496105548;shinohai;o/ mod6
1663028;1496106323;*;mod6 doing some reporting
1663029;1496110379;mircea_popescu;!!up SucksToBeFree
1663030;1496110379;deedbot;SucksToBeFree voiced for 30 minutes.
1663031;1496112279;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/5yAWU << in other ad-hoc bioengineering.
1663032;1496112307;asciilifeform;'Detectives said he used an Army surgical kit that contained a scalpel, lidocaine, medical dressing, and other medical equipment.'
1663033;1496112332;mircea_popescu;what is the charge, practicing identity politics without a dnc permit ?
1663034;1496112384;shinohai;Just nature removing the less desirable from the gene pool.
1663035;1496119085;pete_dushenski;mod6: openbsd commands worked! thx muchly. though i'm still getting crazy low bitrates with fg. consistently under 1000b/sec and some runs as low as 100b/sec.
1663036;1496119441;pete_dushenski;and in other unexpected starts, mebbe humans aren't from africa after all ? http://archive.is/RzRji
1663037;1496119488;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663035 << baud rate setting !!!!!
1663038;1496119488;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 04:38 pete_dushenski: mod6: openbsd commands worked! thx muchly. though i'm still getting crazy low bitrates with fg. consistently under 1000b/sec and some runs as low as 100b/sec.
1663039;1496119504;asciilifeform;betcha the output has ~0 entropy also.
1663040;1496119510;pete_dushenski;"The researchers investigated two fossils of Graecopithecus freybergi with state-of-the-art methods and came to the conclusion that they belong to pre-humans. Their findings, published today in two papers in the journalPLOS ONE, further indicate that the split of the human lineage occurred in the Eastern Mediterranean and not - as customarily assumed - in Africa."
1663041;1496119527;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i set it!!?
1663042;1496119550;asciilifeform;on what ?
1663043;1496119561;asciilifeform;and check your wiring
1663044;1496119607;asciilifeform;ftr no FG ships without a 3day burn-in
1663045;1496119614;pete_dushenski;on macppc openbsd 6,1 using stty. and maybe i will check my wiring!
1663046;1496119623;asciilifeform;and what pete_dushenski describes , would not pass.
1663047;1496119668;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: compare with the photo
1663048;1496119742;pete_dushenski;k wiring is fine. dunno how one would even fuck that up but anyways. more likely baud rate.
1663049;1496119866;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: post a sample of what came out of your hexdump -C
1663050;1496119892;pete_dushenski;k just a min
1663051;1496121061;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://contravex.com/fg_test_alf.bin
1663052;1496121132;asciilifeform;text plz
1663053;1496121166;asciilifeform;wotpaste hexdump -C of above
1663054;1496121607;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1663055;1496122659;trinque;http://sanangelolive.com/news/live-thought/2017-05-27/group-disregards-history-tirade-against-sam-houston << Channel 2 (NBC) in Houston reports there will be a counter-protest over the statue by open carry groups.  Channel 2 quotes the vice president of Texas Open Carry David Amad, "Our event is to make sure they understand that one way or another that statue is not going anywhere."
1663056;1496122926;ben_vulpes;in other, floppier noodles: http://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-free-speech-march-sharia-wheeler-permit/
1663057;1496122940;trinque;that statue in huntsville is near the state prison; convenient for "antifa" round-up
1663058;1496123001;ben_vulpes;it's all so delightfully DRAMATIC
1663059;1496123136;trinque;seems even the portland nazis are long-haired derpy stoners.
1663060;1496123255;ben_vulpes;i'm waiting for the max video to come out showing a complete failure of the two "victims" to "deescalate"
1663061;1496123314;ben_vulpes;"oh you mean to tell me that you let a nutter on the train troll you into fisticuffs and then cut your neck open? hey it coulda been worse, he coulda stabbed you with a hiv needle and let you die slowly."
1663062;1496123378;trinque;"omg you can't do this to *me*" on all sides of the day's nonsense.
1663063;1496123393;ben_vulpes;what's the lafondism? never pick fights, and only engage on fronts you can win decisively on the grounds of overwhelming force and surprise?
1663064;1496123415;trinque;https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/29/15619574/marine-corps-women-sexual-harassment << here have more.
1663065;1496123446;ben_vulpes;i never did muster the energy to track down that photoset
1663066;1496123485;ben_vulpes;toxic masculinity lol
1663067;1496123509;ben_vulpes;i'd like to hear what constitutes nontoxic masculinity
1663068;1496123515;trinque;> macho club
1663069;1496123562;trinque;ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/#selection-809.0-809.66
1663070;1496123587;trinque;non-toxic but sadly not cage-free.
1663071;1496123600;trinque;how they internalize such contradictions I'll never know.
1663072;1496123611;ben_vulpes;cuckin is a habit
1663073;1496124645;pete_dushenski;!!up CluelessNoob
1663074;1496124645;deedbot;CluelessNoob voiced for 30 minutes.
1663075;1496124655;CluelessNoob;WARNING: asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch!
1663076;1496124677;CluelessNoob;no comprende vpatch err.
1663077;1496124678;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: hitting the hay. will endeavour to get you hexdump output soon.
1663078;1496124835;pete_dushenski;CluelessNoob: where did you get the keys from ?
1663079;1496124883;ben_vulpes;CluelessNoob: please to paste results of using gpg to verify patch in question against signature in question
1663080;1496124889;ben_vulpes;at p.bvulpes.com
1663081;1496124928;pete_dushenski;also, check that there are no weird characters imported into your files, which can happen depending on whether you used cat or curl or whatever CluelessNoob
1663082;1496124953;ben_vulpes;also curious to know if you are following instructions from thebitcoin.foundation or what
1663083;1496125148;trinque;chortle.
1663084;1496125313;ben_vulpes;clearly asked too many questions, overloaded the clooqueue
1663085;1496125328;ben_vulpes;queueless noob more like it
1663086;1496125398;trinque;that's your toxic masculinity assuming she wanted to comprende.
1663087;1496125449;ben_vulpes;strictly speaking masculinity is pretty toxic, can trigger an immune reaction
1663088;1496125455;ben_vulpes;fevers, chills
1663089;1496125501;ben_vulpes;both before and after injection of the lovin' spoonful
1663090;1496125705;trinque;sperm allergy is factually a thing.
1663091;1496125802;*;ben_vulpes elbows trinque in the ribs
1663092;1496126372;trinque;!!up CluelessNoob
1663093;1496126372;deedbot;CluelessNoob voiced for 30 minutes.
1663094;1496126403;trinque;CluelessNoob: hablas ingles o no?
1663095;1496126442;CluelessNoob;si, tan un poco
1663096;1496126563;trinque;posibilemente necesitas files en /home/user/.seals
1663097;1496126647;ben_vulpes;CluelessNoob: usando los instrucciones en http://thebitcoin.foundation ?
1663098;1496126702;CluelessNoob;si, y http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin
1663099;1496126722;trinque;como lo encontraste?
1663100;1496126753;trinque;y que estas en ~/.seals en tu computadora
1663101;1496126774;trinque;y ~/.wot
1663102;1496126782;CluelessNoob;utilizado trilema.com
1663103;1496126806;CluelessNoob;asciilifeform.asc  asciilifeform.asc.foo  ben_vulpes.asc  mircea_popescu.asc  mod6.asc  trinque.asc
1663104;1496126845;trinque;por favor paste en p.bvulples.com y link aqui.
1663105;1496127024;CluelessNoob;https://thepasteb.in/p/8qhO4z6KQq4F0
1663106;1496127028;CluelessNoob;¿Es esto lo que quieres decir?
1663107;1496127077;ben_vulpes;si es un llave lol
1663108;1496127089;ben_vulpes;por favor, output de: gpg --verify .seals/asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig patches/asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch
1663109;1496127103;trinque;pretty sure he's using old instructions if he's using wiki.b-a
1663110;1496127146;ben_vulpes;CluelessNoob: solamente usandolo http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
1663111;1496127159;CluelessNoob;gpg: Signature made Sat 10 Sep 2016 03:03:18 PM MST using RSA key ID 2EF25247
1663112;1496127159;CluelessNoob;gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
1663113;1496127167;ben_vulpes;i think that conjugation is right...
1663114;1496127198;ben_vulpes;ah, lo siento CluelessNoob instruccion malo lo siento
1663115;1496127224;CluelessNoob;Las instrucciones funcionan hasta que no.
1663116;1496127244;ben_vulpes;estos functionan: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
1663117;1496127256;ben_vulpes;y solos.
1663118;1496127280;CluelessNoob;soy un idiota
1663119;1496127314;ben_vulpes;esta bien, trabajas mucho y no es que malo
1663120;1496127356;CluelessNoob;https://thepasteb.in/p/vghOV27YRGQS3
1663121;1496127384;ben_vulpes;!!key mod6
1663122;1496127385;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF.asc
1663123;1496127411;trinque;!!help
1663124;1496127411;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1663125;1496127431;ben_vulpes;escribes a disk y importalo con 'gpg --import'
1663126;1496127445;CluelessNoob;He leído varios años de valor de los registros. Aún no entiendo.
1663127;1496127491;ben_vulpes;luego, hablas con shinohai por favor
1663128;1496127740;ben_vulpes;in other memorial daze, this gentoo box comes up but i cannot get x to recognize the screen
1663129;1496127786;trinque;VIDEO_CARDS="whatever" ?
1663130;1496127790;trinque;in make.conf
1663131;1496127802;ben_vulpes;"nvidia", yeah
1663132;1496127818;trinque;dmesg reports nvidia kernel turds all loaded?
1663133;1496127834;ben_vulpes;hm
1663134;1496127851;trinque;if not, maybe not right modules built, maybe not right firmware present
1663135;1496127861;ben_vulpes;guess not
1663136;1496127869;CluelessNoob;¡Muchas gracias por la ayuda! Me voy a la cama ahora.
1663137;1496127873;trinque;latter expands to "in /lib/firmware" or "in initurd"
1663138;1496127886;ben_vulpes;gracias CluelessNoob
1663139;1496127897;ben_vulpes;("it works if you work it so keep working it" oblig.)
1663140;1496127966;ben_vulpes;trinque: this card may be old enough that i need a funky version of nvidia-drivers
1663141;1496128352;ben_vulpes;probably nouveau getting a grip on the device first according to dmesg
1663142;1496128372;*;ben_vulpes off
1663143;1496128542;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1663144;1496128547;BingoBoingo;;;bcstats
1663145;1496128548;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2312.9, vol: 13049.67986218 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2243.93, vol: 7868.15611 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2233.9, vol: 16967.95259176 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2245.401, vol: 9928.89270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2251.174, vol: 4925.24556151 | Volume-weighted last average: 2258.72205192
1663146;1496128553;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1663147;1496128554;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 468829 | Current Difficulty: 5.95921917085E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 469727 | Next Difficulty In: 898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 14 hours, 36 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1663148;1496132335;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662980 << a glaring plothole in "the martian" and his potatoes, too
1663149;1496132335;a111;Logged on 2017-05-29 23:15 asciilifeform: well, d00dz who don't bother to figure out, how many joules of light even hit the 'garden', even supposing more than a few % ended up in food...
1663150;1496146329;shinohai;!~later tell CluelessNoob http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663126  <<< Tiene razon ben_vulpes, con gusto te ayudare entender el valor de eso y mas.
1663151;1496146329;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 06:57 CluelessNoob: He leído varios años de valor de los registros. Aún no entiendo.
1663152;1496146329;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1663153;1496153694;mod6;mornin'
1663154;1496154425;shinohai;Morning mod6, mircea_popescu
1663155;1496154506;mircea_popescu;hey hey
1663156;1496155075;mod6;asciilifeform, pete_dushenski, et. al. I noticed the slowness of reading from the USB-TTL too.  i had mine set to read at 115200 baud or whatever, but still was only pretty slow. i don't have any metrics off hand.
1663157;1496155103;mod6;can get some later.  maybe need to change the baud setting, or even something different.
1663158;1496155120;mod6;trinque & ben_vulpes : thanks for helping CluelessNoob.
1663159;1496155228;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663156 << what kB/s specifically ?
1663160;1496155228;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 14:37 mod6: asciilifeform, pete_dushenski, et. al. I noticed the slowness of reading from the USB-TTL too.  i had mine set to read at 115200 baud or whatever, but still was only pretty slow. i don't have any metrics off hand.
1663161;1496155257;asciilifeform;iirc mod6 you posted a few dd outputs, it was always 7-8 as per spec.
1663162;1496155331;asciilifeform;ftr , for people who refuse to read the source : FUCKGOATS emits at 115200 baud STRICTLY!!!
1663163;1496155355;mod6;ah, well from my *linux* machine i was around ~7kb/s
1663164;1496155360;asciilifeform;if you have your serial port set to anything else, you are getting crud !! and not entropic crud, either
1663165;1496155362;mod6;or something
1663166;1496155391;asciilifeform;mod6: ~7 is the rated output at room temperature
1663167;1496155393;mod6;ALSO, forgot to mention, that openbsd `dd` doesn't have a 'fullblock' iflag or whatever, so that needs to be looked at a bit too
1663168;1496155420;asciilifeform;mod6: i investigated , under most unixen it is safe to use 'cat'
1663169;1496155427;mod6;asciilifeform: yup. just, openbsd with the config I was talking about yesterday didn't hit that. im sure it's just something on the openbsd side, ie. my configuration.
1663170;1496155437;mod6;or how I'm trying to read from the serial
1663171;1496155451;asciilifeform;try with 'cat'.
1663172;1496155479;mod6;ok, if `cat` won't pad, or do any weird buffer hijinks, then i'll give it a shot.
1663173;1496155497;asciilifeform;cat on some exotic unixen drops control chars
1663174;1496155503;mod6;i was actually reading through `dd` (openbsd) impl yesterday.. -.-
1663175;1496155509;asciilifeform;but ought to work in general today
1663176;1496155517;mod6;ok will try later for sure.
1663177;1496155556;asciilifeform;however if your system fails to set 115200 baud ( and on every box i have here, it is the default baud rate, HOWEVER you MUST turn off flow control )
1663178;1496155580;asciilifeform;and hah, i think we nailed the problem pete_dushenski had
1663179;1496155589;asciilifeform;and possibly mod6 , on bsd
1663180;1496155616;asciilifeform;if you don't disable flow control ( in-band idiocy ) the os nukes the terminal whenever it encounters magic char
1663181;1496155624;asciilifeform;( iirc 0x03 )
1663182;1496155633;asciilifeform;and hence it 'burps'
1663183;1496155645;asciilifeform;and the output is unusable because now skewed
1663184;1496155667;asciilifeform;( because certain octets no longer appear )
1663185;1496155723;asciilifeform;i encountered this nonsense when i built my very first prototype rng, iirc mircea_popescu even turned the resulting dialogue into a whole post on his www
1663186;1496155899;asciilifeform;you gotta kill flowcontrol, folx
1663187;1496155919;asciilifeform;as described on snsa www.
1663188;1496155970;mod6;thanks asciilifeform
1663189;1496156275;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/hela-matter/ << Trilema - HeLa Matter!
1663190;1496157550;mod6;with OpenBSD, looks like I'll need to try (via http://man.openbsd.org/stty.1) '-crtscts'
1663191;1496157557;mod6;to turn off flow control
1663192;1496157561;mod6;or am I reading that wrong?
1663193;1496157589;*;asciilifeform does not know, because his only openbsd box has a couplea cm of dust on it, and also lacks usb ports
1663194;1496157643;mod6;ok, np. i'll dig into it later.  we'll get to the bottom of it.  just some weird config deal.
1663195;1496157649;asciilifeform;though it ~does~ have a serial port , on the docking cradle (it's a 'toshiba libretto'), and perhaps i could dust it off
1663196;1496157657;asciilifeform;... or i could let the bsd aficionados take on this chore.
1663197;1496157689;mod6;don't bother for now, just stick with whatever else you were doin'.  I don't wanna get you off on a side-quest for this.
1663198;1496157704;mod6;this issue seems completely unrelated to FG.
1663199;1496157726;asciilifeform;FG transmits at 115200,1,noparity, and this is readily verifiable by anyone with an oscilloscope and eyes, or with linux box, or dos box. i will not be taking responsibility for every broken os on the planet.
1663200;1496157750;mircea_popescu;lol ok ok/
1663201;1496157759;asciilifeform;but if mod6 comes up with a recipe, i would like to include it in the manual.
1663202;1496157767;asciilifeform;there may be other bsd folx , gritting teeth
1663203;1496157794;asciilifeform;ty mod6 for putting in the sweat.
1663204;1496158048;mod6;no prob!
1663205;1496158359;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663055 << that was amusing enough.
1663206;1496158359;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 05:37 trinque: http://sanangelolive.com/news/live-thought/2017-05-27/group-disregards-history-tirade-against-sam-houston << Channel 2 (NBC) in Houston reports there will be a counter-protest over the statue by open carry groups.  Channel 2 quotes the vice president of Texas Open Carry David Amad, "Our event is to make sure they understand that one way or another that statue is not going anywhere."
1663207;1496158766;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663062 << ehehehe
1663208;1496158766;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 05:49 trinque: "omg you can't do this to *me*" on all sides of the day's nonsense.
1663209;1496158776;mircea_popescu;dude the us is practically a solid block of comedy gold these days.
1663210;1496158791;mircea_popescu;i can't wait for Respectable Person 2020.
1663211;1496158870;mircea_popescu;also can't wait for the brand new http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/antifa.gif marine corps.
1663212;1496159235;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663115 << lol win.
1663213;1496159235;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 06:53 CluelessNoob: Las instrucciones funcionan hasta que no.
1663214;1496159282;mircea_popescu;anyway, odds are he's got alf's old key.
1663215;1496159908;mod6;ya, was thinking that myself. could have been something else weird, but he seemed to update to V99994 and then been able to get past the issue.
1663216;1496160073;asciilifeform;either that or the lynx thing
1663217;1496160100;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-20#1659723 )
1663218;1496160100;a111;Logged on 2017-05-20 15:25 danielpbarron: and for those curious, here's what lynx adds >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/odgWG/?raw=true
1663219;1496160224;mod6;ah, right.
1663220;1496160344;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/criminalfinances.html >> brits prepare to 're-investigate where the money came from' for all posh properties in london etc and confiscate if 'unclean'
1663221;1496160376;asciilifeform;esp that of idiot 'oligarchs' from ru who thought that they could happily live to old age in the enemy's camp
1663222;1496160458;asciilifeform;no word so far on what the brits will do when they discover that the 'sticker prices' for the golden toilets are a work of '2 old jews and their painting' fiction , and ~worthless on market
1663223;1496160475;mircea_popescu;heh
1663224;1496160501;mircea_popescu;i have nfi who in his right mind would buy to live in london.
1663225;1496160508;asciilifeform;dunno that they bought-to-live
1663226;1496160511;mircea_popescu;i can't think of a worse clime.
1663227;1496160512;asciilifeform;but to play the bubble
1663228;1496160520;mircea_popescu;well... in that case they long ago sold.
1663229;1496160542;*;asciilifeform has nfi
1663230;1496160553;asciilifeform;last iirc abramovich was still there.
1663231;1496160572;mircea_popescu;oh, i'm sure HE's perfectly clean.
1663232;1496160577;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works.
1663233;1496160604;asciilifeform;rumour has it, usg made 'offer' to various ru exiles; those who refused to put coin in the piggy, now 'have problems'.
1663234;1496160653;mircea_popescu;there's rather pregnant demand for a country with a constitution specifically forbidding "provenance" verifications. put a pecunia non olet clause, win ~all the remaining capital.
1663235;1496160665;mircea_popescu;curious if anyone actually raises up to the challenges of their time.
1663236;1496160691;asciilifeform;theoretically, the swiss were this at one time
1663237;1496160699;mircea_popescu;and they didn't do too badly with it.
1663238;1496160701;asciilifeform;but i suspect there are 'physical limits' involved
1663239;1496160724;asciilifeform;gigantic pile of money tears spacetime and creates modern-swiss.
1663240;1496160726;mircea_popescu;i don't. i'm satisfied there's just idiocy of the "consensus seeking" nature involved, no more.
1663241;1496160750;asciilifeform;expand?
1663242;1496160763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with that view being that in bitcoin terms, swiss piles of money were lowest after ww2.
1663243;1496160779;mircea_popescu;highest, prolly cca 1770 or such.
1663244;1496160790;asciilifeform;being a piece of europe not wrecked at all by the war, was mega-boost
1663245;1496160796;asciilifeform;just like it was for the swedes
1663246;1496160802;asciilifeform;or usa.
1663247;1496160817;mircea_popescu;didn't make that much dsifference, they were small.
1663248;1496160834;mircea_popescu;a chocolate watch factory +- dun count for much.
1663249;1496160841;asciilifeform;pirate coves also small
1663250;1496160852;asciilifeform;but work differently, no need for own industry when you're pirate cove.
1663251;1496160943;mircea_popescu;anyway, point being : the relative proportion of wealth stored there actually diminished throughout 19th and 20th centuries.
1663252;1496160973;asciilifeform;as for 'pecunia non olet' countries, how about panama.
1663253;1496160980;asciilifeform;how's panama doing these days.
1663254;1496160985;mircea_popescu;so if it was the pile of wealth that "bent space and time", you'd have had swiss cucks cca 1810, rather than have them provide vatican guards as the respectable manly troop the us marine core tried to copy.
1663255;1496160997;mircea_popescu;eh, panama's not a country.
1663256;1496160998;asciilifeform;( maybe just having gold parked , does not do much ? )
1663257;1496161023;mircea_popescu;next coinbase is going to be a bitcoin bank, what are we doing here ?
1663258;1496161029;asciilifeform;lol
1663259;1496161083;asciilifeform;if contemplating 'who is actual country' based solely on where the yet-untungstenated physical au lives, possibly only cn is now 'country'.
1663260;1496161104;mircea_popescu;it actually has a pretty close approximation of the "unreviewable source" principle, too.
1663261;1496161120;asciilifeform;(and everybody else is simply screwing around in microshit 'excel'.)
1663262;1496161151;asciilifeform;afaik in cn source is verymuch 'reviewable' once d00d falls into Official disgrace with pekin.
1663263;1496161178;mircea_popescu;you don't have to take teh govt's money if you dun want to.
1663264;1496161191;mircea_popescu;if you do, it'd also be wise to pay up, none of this is particularly controversial.
1663265;1496161231;asciilifeform;dunno that all of the publicized 'corruption' trials have this trivial explanation, 'didn't pass the bakshish up the chain'
1663266;1496161237;asciilifeform;but i've nfi.
1663267;1496161260;mircea_popescu;without exception they're fraud in public funds, afaik.
1663268;1496161367;asciilifeform;how many mega-magnates with 0 business with the crown, tho
1663269;1496161381;asciilifeform;(if not in their l1 than l2..)
1663270;1496161383;asciilifeform;*then
1663271;1496161414;asciilifeform;even a soap seller could be portrayed as 'defrauding the crown with inferior soap' etc
1663272;1496161508;mircea_popescu;all those theoretical concerns aside, chinese banks routinely handle arbitrary size deposits and their agents are amused at this white man "mony raunderin" thing
1663273;1496161629;asciilifeform;q is whether they'll reinvent it when the time comes. like the swiss did, and brits etc
1663274;1496161637;asciilifeform;when the external power source dries up
1663275;1496161670;mircea_popescu;with this outlook it's a wonder you date.
1663276;1496161675;mircea_popescu;why bother, they die anyway, no ?
1663277;1496161694;asciilifeform;lol
1663278;1496161715;asciilifeform;in point of fact there's plenty of 'normal' things asciilifeform does not do, because he does not expect to live long enough to make use of'em
1663279;1496161735;asciilifeform;( but we digress )
1663280;1496161822;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "time comes" factor is traditionally thouht to deal with "population density", yet the inept west never dealt with pop density even vaguely close to what the chinese are handling ok.
1663281;1496161868;mircea_popescu;perhaps a better measure is "hallucinated self-determination", ie uppity twerps pretending like they get to "make choices", something the chinese are very carefully keeping in check. this may continue indefinitely, in which case it might never even come, that time.
1663282;1496161880;asciilifeform;density per se isn't interesting, but rather density vs carrying capacity. and iirc europe was pretty 'full', by this metric, in the 18th c
1663283;1496161888;asciilifeform;and again in leadup to ww1
1663284;1496161891;mircea_popescu;and china, in 18th c bc.
1663285;1496161903;asciilifeform;fixed by exporting excess biomass the 1st time, by shredding with artillery 2nd
1663286;1496161958;mircea_popescu;the problem is not really "carrying capacity" in any objective sense, but carrying capacity of pretense, as discussed in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660840
1663287;1496161958;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 16:37 mircea_popescu: gotta be teh dreamers, that's the only way the batshit insane expectations of 8 bn heros in their own stories can be "satisfied" after a fashion.
1663288;1496161997;asciilifeform;cn folx are, overall, bright enough, i suspect that at some point they will wake up to the fact that they do not in fact need the euro/usa schmucks for anything
1663289;1496162001;asciilifeform;not even in 'cock cage'
1663290;1496162054;asciilifeform;'dreaming' is powered by very real energy source. q is re why does the socket still supply current.
1663291;1496162139;mircea_popescu;i imagine ~same reason socket still supplies current for the ~ton or so of hela in existance.
1663292;1496162190;*;asciilifeform quite appreciated that ps0t, btw -- at one point , like many many people, handled HeLa with own hands
1663293;1496162206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by now it's apparently in over half all other cultures.
1663294;1496162227;asciilifeform;'unpicky eater'
1663295;1496162246;mircea_popescu;very hardy and hey, hygiene still mystery among the medical lab.
1663296;1496162265;mircea_popescu;that's going to be a major butthurt, in the coming years, lots of stuff will have to be thrown out, and people dun really wanna.
1663297;1496162282;asciilifeform;not so hard to separate by species, but that's about it
1663298;1496162286;mircea_popescu;but shit can't continue, they even made a special lab to certify cultures etc.
1663299;1496162319;mircea_popescu;anyway, re needing : white females have been historically the better selling slaves, in all cultures. i dun expect this will change.
1663300;1496162339;asciilifeform;i think the mcamericans fixed this
1663301;1496162370;asciilifeform;but who knows, maybe other end will learn to like 'heavyweights'
1663302;1496162482;mircea_popescu;nah, for one thing it sheds and for the other, so breed them in captivity what.
1663303;1496162529;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RackRqPriHQ << for anyone looking for sensitivitymaterial, VERY DEEP FILM!!1
1663304;1496162578;asciilifeform;i'm curious re the 'it sheds'
1663305;1496162598;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had some article where he describes the process. but what's the worst 'patient' he cured ?
1663306;1496162654;asciilifeform;what does a 100kg chick look like after ? does skin hang like sad, empty dirigible ballonet ?
1663307;1496162657;asciilifeform;paging BingoBoingo !
1663308;1496162680;asciilifeform;perhaps he knows.
1663309;1496162737;mircea_popescu;ah, no. even at mp heights, 100kg female will need extensive surgery to rehumanize.
1663310;1496162750;mircea_popescu;not that it's not possible, these days, but how often will it be worth the hassle.
1663311;1496162756;asciilifeform;( on other hand there is some variation in tastes : e.g. it seems to asciilifeform that he likes gurlz with fully 2x the live mass of the ones in mircea_popescu's photos, for instance )
1663312;1496162780;mircea_popescu;which photos ? i'm actually quite variant, there's all sorts.
1663313;1496162799;asciilifeform;most of the memorable ones.
1663314;1496162808;asciilifeform;but i have nfi what mircea_popescu keeps as 'inpatient' pets.
1663315;1496162827;asciilifeform;it is possible that my entire picture is off.
1663316;1496162915;mircea_popescu;be that as it may, human female will be fifty something to seventy something or thereabouts. if you like big tits and big asses you'll be at the 70s side of it. 100kgs is really excessive even for adult males.
1663317;1496163150;mircea_popescu;the problem with usian chicks isn't necessarily "being the weight of three girls" (mostly cuz i don't expect you'd talk to those), but this unhealthy / inflated aspect due to forced adipose growth for toxin burial. ~that~ sheds, once toxin intake is discontinued, of course.
1663318;1496163277;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/128E80AC450BC733931AD9633AABA3B88250990B5CFE16DEBC11B4EE2DC67641 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1443...5617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.110.144.28 (ssh-rsa key from 89.110.144.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (v14.ncsrv.de. DE)
1663319;1496163277;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/128E80AC450BC733931AD9633AABA3B88250990B5CFE16DEBC11B4EE2DC67641 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...4807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.110.144.28 (ssh-rsa key from 89.110.144.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (v14.ncsrv.de. DE)
1663320;1496163300;asciilifeform;the heuristic 'if i can lift $creature, it is not too massive' heuristic worx
1663321;1496163688;asciilifeform;however asciilifeform's tastes are approx. mircea_popescu's-with-a-minus-sign, and aspects of this are detectable with naked eye even.
1663322;1496163993;asciilifeform;!~later tell pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663051 >>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0ZnRP/?raw=true << your setup is CATASTROPHICALLY broken, looks like misconfigured bandwidth and/or flow control
1663323;1496163993;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 05:11 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://contravex.com/fg_test_alf.bin
1663324;1496163993;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1663325;1496164040;asciilifeform;the preponderance of 0xff 0xfd etc is screaming hint
1663326;1496164049;asciilifeform;rs232 idle signal level is 'high'
1663327;1496164063;asciilifeform;misbauding will typically looks like this to naked eye.
1663328;1496164160;asciilifeform;this is also a good time to remind fols, THIS ^^ is the kind of thing 'rng testing' shines in, picking up misconfiguration/catastrophic os retardation/similar
1663329;1496164168;asciilifeform;*folx
1663330;1496164369;mircea_popescu;i somewhat doubt you can deadlift 70kgs ?
1663331;1496164402;asciilifeform;chick is easier than a barbell
1663332;1496164414;mircea_popescu;because why, jet powered by her own queefs ?
1663333;1496164456;asciilifeform;i dunno re mircea_popescu's barbell , but mine doesn't have hands and help the lifter by hanging on !11
1663334;1496164489;mircea_popescu;well yes but so redefined you could possibly "be ab le to lift" a meteorite.
1663335;1496164500;mircea_popescu;"fell on his head ; hung on."
1663336;1496164521;asciilifeform;and ftr 70kgs afaik gives 0 trouble to a healthy d00d, whether in chick or knapsack or comp (e.g. my lispm)
1663337;1496164530;asciilifeform;but chick is imho by far easiest 70kg!
1663338;1496164568;mircea_popescu;i dunno, maybe. they certainly have lower weights at the gym, if that matters.
1663339;1496164647;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> paging BingoBoingo ! << Prolly looks like biodiesel tank is fuller
1663340;1496164652;asciilifeform;there is a related legend that, at one time exercise weights were forbidden in new york prison. inmates then began to use ~each other~ for weights
1663341;1496164668;asciilifeform;massive 'circus' strong man practicing by lifting smallest d00d etc.
1663342;1496164678;trinque;works great; see "acro-yoga"
1663343;1496164684;*;trinque used to do this with hippy chicks in oregon
1663344;1496164697;trinque;put woman on feet, squat her, etc
1663345;1496164706;asciilifeform;moar fun than with dumb old iron, neh.
1663346;1496164710;trinque;way more.
1663347;1496164750;BingoBoingo;Not much, but a bit fuller
1663348;1496164805;mircea_popescu;ah, that's certainly a great passtime, mixed yogas
1663349;1496164847;asciilifeform;those who met asciilifeform at c2/c3 know that he is not mistakeable for circus lifter . but ftr can happily lift & carry 75kg pet.
1663350;1496164859;asciilifeform;i suspect that people -- ~are~ easier to lift than dead crate.
1663351;1496164924;asciilifeform;( and iirc folx who transport corpses for a living, also record that the latter are considerably more difficult to move than the living )
1663352;1496165074;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1663353;1496165240;BingoBoingo;But who can lift HeLa?
1663354;1496165517;BingoBoingo;!~google "Taylor Machine works X-700L"
1663355;1496165518;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: 18t-32t Capacity Forklifts - Taylor Machine Works International: <http://www.taylormachineworks.com/products/18t-32t-capacity-forklifts/>; X - 700L - Taylor Big Red: <http://www.taylorbigredforklifts.com/brochures/interactive/x700l/files/assets/common/downloads/X700L%2520Brochure.pdf>; X -Series Fliers - Taylor Big Red: <http://www.taylorbigredforklifts.com/brochures/product/x-series-com
1663356;1496165527;phf;people reflexively shift weight when lifted, self-stabilizing into the force vector
1663357;1496165541;BingoBoingo;^ Can lift Helo, not out of dependence, but vertically
1663358;1496165644;BingoBoingo;Anyways, people are the hardest load to lift.
1663359;1496165671;phf;(that's also why aerial work with unprepared people works, until it suddenly doesn't: people get scared, start compensating intellectually, throw the balance out)
1663360;1496165852;phf;weights don't self stabilize, so weightlifting is all about proper alignment of force vector (also fighting, running, etc etc)
1663361;1496165904;BingoBoingo;Locally we lost a young white girl recently due to failure to surrender will and life in order to allow lifting. Used dope one last time, dope relieved girl of mortality.
1663362;1496166295;phf;it's the kind of stiffness that makes one indistinguishable from a corpse
1663363;1496166863;BingoBoingo;When of the spirit, it's the sort of stiffness that makes one a corpse
1663364;1496167384;asciilifeform;phf has it.
1663365;1496167633;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663357 << helo, unlike in the movies, is pretty hard for uninitiated folx to lift : ground effect is a bitch, gotta work the cyclic, the collective, the pedals, in sync properly
1663366;1496167633;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 17:32 BingoBoingo: ^ Can lift Helo, not out of dependence, but vertically
1663367;1496167645;asciilifeform;davout probably has the details.
1663368;1496167699;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Appologies, I intended to refer to not helicopter, but HeLa supertumor
1663369;1496167707;asciilifeform;lol
1663370;1496167727;asciilifeform;it is like to ask 'lift water'. how much.
1663371;1496167733;asciilifeform;it's a single-celled thing.
1663372;1496167761;BingoBoingo;Well, and the agar, and the trays...
1663373;1496167787;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: typically you'd use liquid culturemedia, rather than agar
1663374;1496167797;asciilifeform;it goes into a flat plastic bottle
1663375;1496167841;asciilifeform;( with bent neck : you can vacuum up old 'soup' without denting the 'business end' of the bottle with the pipette )
1663376;1496167846;BingoBoingo;I am not in the business of growing negro supertumors. I would probably use bleach.
1663377;1496167864;asciilifeform;funnily enough there are things that will not die, in bleach .
1663378;1496167907;asciilifeform;( everyone who has cultured something -- knows this. exhausted culture soup goes into vacuum flask, which gotta be killed before you can empty into waste drum, and often this proves harder than expected )
1663379;1496167919;trinque;I spent some time in a hospital this weekend, granddad had some cardiac plumbing done.
1663380;1496167928;trinque;managed to navigate the place without touching a damned thing with hands
1663381;1496168728;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> funnily enough there are things that will not die, in bleach . << This is when you use a different species of bleach
1663382;1496168750;asciilifeform;we used iodine.
1663383;1496168802;BingoBoingo;What's wrong with FOOF
1663384;1496169067;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/usg-stoolie-noriega-dead/ << Qntra - USG Stoolie Noriega Dead
1663385;1496169112;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you forgot bzhezinsky !
1663386;1496169118;asciilifeform;one of the two great soroses
1663387;1496169124;asciilifeform;( the other one being, noshit.jpg, soros )
1663388;1496169152;asciilifeform;there is much rejoicing in the free world, d00d finally bit it 2days or so ago
1663389;1496169163;asciilifeform;'rejoicing that he's dead, but sad that it wasn't in a noose'
1663390;1496169192;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: foof, lol. why not also nuke.
1663391;1496170152;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663378 << uv is usually the answer, though EVEN THAT is not good enough sometimes.
1663392;1496170152;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 18:11 asciilifeform: ( everyone who has cultured something -- knows this. exhausted culture soup goes into vacuum flask, which gotta be killed before you can empty into waste drum, and often this proves harder than expected )
1663393;1496170158;mircea_popescu;then it's uv+ozone, and so on
1663394;1496170169;asciilifeform;doesn't go through liquid well
1663395;1496170217;asciilifeform;theoretically one could ionize the liquishit in a gigantic arc lamp, even. but even this, is harder than it looks
1663396;1496170267;mircea_popescu;wait, soros died ?!
1663397;1496170274;asciilifeform;nono
1663398;1496170286;mircea_popescu;ah
1663399;1496170288;asciilifeform;bzhezinsky
1663400;1496170306;asciilifeform;meanwhile völkischer beobachter does not disappoint , https://archive.is/ja4zY >> 'At Brown University, more than half the 49 allegations of academic code violations last year involved cheating in computer science. ... At Stanford... as many as 20 percent of the students in one 2015 computer science course were flagged for possible cheating'
1663401;1496170332;mircea_popescu;im sure there's no cheating going on in "social sciences".
1663402;1496170342;asciilifeform;they don't test for it
1663403;1496170349;mircea_popescu;just as good.
1663404;1496170370;asciilifeform;whereas still a few elderly 'enemies of the people' left in the comp faculty, who do
1663405;1496170378;asciilifeform;they will, i expect, be dealt with.
1663406;1496170390;mircea_popescu;time'll deal with them sure enough.
1663407;1496170452;asciilifeform;even at ye olde backwater u. of maryland, there were persistent rumours, of profs who found, with simple perltron, gigantic cribbed segments of homework, and then ordered to forget-whole-thing by the dean, because perp was a blueblood
1663408;1496171556;mircea_popescu;and being americans they whispered about it, because nobody can have a blog.
1663409;1496172622;asciilifeform;some folx have blogs
1663410;1496172647;asciilifeform;nontenured notquiteprofessors, however, rarely.
1663411;1496173020;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you forgot bzhezinsky ! << Will be a footnote later. My ire at USG is atm more actutely directed at USG.CIA's white girl killing narco bsns's
1663412;1496173042;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they killed your particular pet ?!
1663413;1496173045;asciilifeform;or some freerange one
1663414;1496173202;BingoBoingo;Killed an appreciated wild one
1663415;1496173269;*;asciilifeform takes off hat
1663416;1496173272;asciilifeform;opium ?
1663417;1496173307;BingoBoingo;One of those things. Go to meeting see pick up X day coin. A while later see them try again and pick up X milestone coin again. Last week discover "one last time" meant "one last time" that particular time.
1663418;1496173312;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Apparently
1663419;1496173624;BingoBoingo;Police have opened investigation because opium deaths are now treated as murders by drug dealer. For some reason though I have a feeling Hussein Bahamas will not be taken into custody by Trenton, Illinois police for his role in growing Afghan opium imports.
1663420;1496173683;asciilifeform;hey, bushinton meant it to go to ru , not usa!111
1663421;1496174155;lobbes;https://archive.is/TpKBX << some lulz from mr. Musk; "not-too-distant Post-scarcity economy!11"
1663422;1496174159;lobbes;Although, he does paint the accurate picture of the us population being destined to become slaves of nobody-in-particular. Just labeled as "UBI"
1663423;1496174196;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, but Hussein Bahamas invited it to USA to further his white genocide agenda.
1663424;1496174349;asciilifeform;not to rain on the parade, but must point out: moar fine folx, incl. pretty gurlz, nuked by walmatronium than opium
1663425;1496174389;trinque;lobbes: "This is a set of ideas that I???ve tossed around with friends for a while. Unless something huge changes, this is probably the only viable solution." << oh, ok.
1663426;1496174392;asciilifeform;i expect to get done in by it personally, if not by anything else first, and i dun even eat it ! ( it is however in the water , air, fraudulently mixed into $maxint premium phood etc )
1663427;1496174842;BingoBoingo;The thing is walmartroniuomists dun learn anything that would be useful to Republican causes should they recover. Opiumist tends to pick up wide array of skills useful to fight against various USG's if only they recover.
1663428;1496174912;BingoBoingo;That and Walartronium is more Clinton's fault. Current heroin glut is all on Hussein Bahamas for turning CIA into extention of his Choom Gang.
1663429;1496174919;BingoBoingo;!~google choom gang
1663430;1496174920;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: 'The Choom Gang ': 9 juiciest details from Barack Obama's days as a ...: <http://theweek.com/articles/475179/choom-gang-9-juiciest-details-from-barack-obamas-days-pothead>; Obama and His Pot-Smoking ' Choom Gang ' - ABC News: <http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-and-his-pot-smoking-choom-gang/>; A User's Guide To Smoking Pot With Barack Obama - BuzzFeed: (1 more message)
1663431;1496174961;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/#selection-2959.0-2975.867 << oblig
1663432;1496175696;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The ability to take anything that isn't bolted down and convert into a medium of exchange is an area my survey of current republican assets finds lacking.
1663433;1496175858;BingoBoingo;And "recovery" includes criteria beyond simply "hasn't doped in X days"
1663434;1496177127;asciilifeform;in other updatez, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661163 >>>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WuqOG/?raw=true
1663435;1496177127;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 22:28 asciilifeform: aite, i'ma write..
1663436;1496177163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ^
1663437;1496177210;asciilifeform;not mega-surprise : d00d builds and tests 'golden toilet' 'quantum effectz' rngs for a career
1663438;1496177233;asciilifeform;so we have him, who won't test (phree!111) sample of FUCKGOATS...
1663439;1496177243;*;mod6 looks
1663440;1496177246;asciilifeform;bernstein, who would not even ANSWER message re phuctor
1663441;1496177247;asciilifeform;etc.
1663442;1496177271;mod6;lol wtf
1663443;1496177307;asciilifeform;i dun even have a handy 'unified theory' of this
1663444;1496177324;asciilifeform;could be that academic sees letters from plebe as 'hey, a talking goat'
1663445;1496177339;mod6;unified theory of ineptitude
1663446;1496177462;asciilifeform;i dun even go so quickly to 'ineptitude' -- perhaps they are quite 'apt' but not at the job naively supposed by outsider.
1663447;1496177494;asciilifeform;to play devil's advocate -- it is rather like if they were, e.g., mircea_popescu's pets
1663448;1496177515;asciilifeform;they won't undress and juice for $rando .
1663449;1496177526;asciilifeform;only for commander.
1663450;1496177589;mod6;bah
1663451;1496178961;trinque;you're talking to people that are ruled by "codes of conduct" and so on.
1663452;1496178992;trinque;recall the guy who got burned at stake for wearing an anime shirt with hot chicks on it at cern.
1663453;1496179000;trinque;and you're handing them a FUCKGOATS, lol
1663454;1496179104;trinque;obviously this notion of christian respectability must die, but there it is.
1663455;1496179459;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663421 << we had that in the soviet block. approximately http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450314
1663456;1496179459;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 19:55 lobbes: https://archive.is/TpKBX << some lulz from mr. Musk; "not-too-distant Post-scarcity economy!11"
1663457;1496179459;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 19:56 mircea_popescu: "in the us the nsa has powers and bla bla bla. why are you crying, little boy" "I WANT TO GO TO THE USA!!11"
1663458;1496179647;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663190 << ah. good find. that's almost certainly the culprit on openbsd. but god help anyone try to find ~only one~ such snag on the flaming shitpit that is macosx. *spits*.  stty dun even pretend to work in 'terminal' because it doesn't talk to serial devices. at all. no luck yet with coolterm, quickterm, etc. either. they just... freeze.
1663459;1496179647;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 15:19 mod6: with OpenBSD, looks like I'll need to try (via http://man.openbsd.org/stty.1) '-crtscts'
1663460;1496179713;mod6;werd. will try it later on my end. not with mac though. i don't use that crap.
1663461;1496179746;pete_dushenski;good man.
1663462;1496179785;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: thx for looking into the problem from your end as well. s.nsa with the custom-o-service!
1663463;1496179786;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663444 << eh, what difference does it make. as i tell derpy girlies at least weekly, "you had your chance." was there more to it than that ?
1663464;1496179786;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 20:48 asciilifeform: could be that academic sees letters from plebe as 'hey, a talking goat'
1663465;1496179991;trinque;pete_dushenski: cu claims to be present on osx
1663466;1496180200;pete_dushenski;hm. i might have to try that.
1663467;1496180481;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: point was, you can see with unarmed eye that it's misconfigured.
1663468;1496180520;asciilifeform;i would have even said 'throw out the idiot os' but on linux also it defaults to flowcontrol-on
1663469;1496180531;asciilifeform;because everything is a modem, or sumthing
1663470;1496180559;Framedragger;damn, that response re FUCKGOATS somehow made me sadder than random $afk emotional things. "you had your chance" and any onus to follow-up is now on their end (demarcation line has been set), yes, lost cause, but still, damn. such a waste of flesh.
1663471;1496180661;asciilifeform;Framedragger: why the sad? we dun really need that d00d for anything, afaik
1663472;1496180694;asciilifeform;everything he had to say on subj, was in that mega-treatise, which you can read for phree..
1663473;1496180776;Framedragger;of course. not much use in the first place. it's not about any mega opportunity / utility loss, just, d00d seemed ~healthy, there was no excuse (free! relevant shit!), and *yet*. i know the whole history of the forum is full of this, it's just fucking depressing what can i say.
1663474;1496180778;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: myea
1663475;1496180821;asciilifeform;some folx would rather http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663156 than associate with 'terrorists', say
1663476;1496180821;a111;Logged on 2017-05-30 14:37 mod6: asciilifeform, pete_dushenski, et. al. I noticed the slowness of reading from the USB-TTL too.  i had mine set to read at 115200 baud or whatever, but still was only pretty slow. i don't have any metrics off hand.
1663477;1496180828;asciilifeform;grr
1663478;1496180851;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661313 rather
1663479;1496180851;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 01:26 mircea_popescu: why not increase income ? it's the traditional approach.
1663480;1496180881;asciilifeform;perhaps he wants, e.g., tenure, rather than to be thrown to dogs.
1663481;1496180975;asciilifeform;( and sure, occasional superstar mircea_popescuist pulls off 'money + hatespeechblog' in concert . but for mortals there is typically some degree of engineering tradeoff )
1663482;1496181048;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah, taleb had a piece about that "thrown to the dogs" exposure (if that's the word): https://medium.com/incerto/the-skin-of-others-in-your-game-3f51d8ccc3fb - "independent academics" are not at all independent, etc etc (this also creates the "give advice without skin in the game" issue, so on.)
1663483;1496181076;Framedragger;(not that this is original at all, just another articulation of same old.)
1663484;1496181275;*;Framedragger just wondered if one of the functions of "concents" in stephenson's anathem (which i haven't yet read) are to reduce this kind of "but i have two cats and mortgage!" compromise possibility for scientists and the like
1663485;1496181325;asciilifeform;Framedragger: entirely
1663486;1496181360;*;Framedragger makes sure 'tis in reading list
1663487;1496181363;asciilifeform;imho idea is approx as realistic as the space ship in same -- but entertaining yarn nevertheless.
1663488;1496181386;Framedragger;yeah.
1663489;1496182345;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform would sign up without a 2nd thought.
1663490;1496182392;asciilifeform;but stephenson carefully specifies!11 that concents live in alt-world where people are slightly less dumb.
1663491;1496185941;mircea_popescu;!!up renzo
1663492;1496185941;deedbot;renzo voiced for 30 minutes.
1663493;1496185968;renzo;Hey, what's !!up?
1663494;1496185982;mod6;nada
1663495;1496185989;mircea_popescu;gives you the ability to speak.
1663496;1496185994;renzo;Ah great
1663497;1496186019;renzo;Have to admit i haven't visited your blog since the time of the DAO hack... Mircea, what do you make of this ETH bubble?#
1663498;1496186105;mircea_popescu;you know how it goes when you get the flu and ancient cold sores also flare up ? bitcoin climbs, as a result all sorts of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657609 / bs "feel involved" and relevant and whatnot.
1663499;1496186105;a111;Logged on 2017-05-17 22:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did yarvin / urbit EVER do anything other than selling "space" of various description ? it's like reddit by now, wut.
1663500;1496186122;mircea_popescu;they aren't, of course, but what's that to do with feelings.
1663501;1496186235;mircea_popescu;one day around noon i bought a girl in the street in nantucket ; by nightfall the respectable housewives all the way down to whitechapel and all the way up past maine had re-evaluated their priceless litter accordingly.
1663502;1496186380;renzo;how much for?
1663503;1496186405;mircea_popescu;Framedragger asciilifeform you will notice that the perceived problem is very unlikely to be a genuine problem. to use the familiar field of sexuality -- people also don't hit up on girls, and in direct proportion to how hot they are, because they perceive possible harm may come!!1
1663504;1496186461;mircea_popescu;trying to protect people from things they imagine isn't likely to yield results.
1663505;1496186566;renzo;can't argue with that, how does one protect someone from something that exists only in their heda
1663506;1496186568;renzo;head*
1663507;1496186571;mircea_popescu;fwiw, and not so long ago, the ~same "academics" would have hid that they were born black, say, for same vague "fear of reprisals". or, for that matter, gay. what exactly changed, there's no more reprisals nao because what, let me guess, awareness has been risen ?
1663508;1496186613;mircea_popescu;there's no fucking reprisals. so some stuck up brits asked some german physicist living with two women to kindly go away. ok, so ? some other people gave him a different-same job.
1663509;1496186650;mircea_popescu;for all the blather, the famed "blacklisting" of communists did ~nothing, and so on and so forth.
1663510;1496186734;mircea_popescu;but the supposed "fear" merely translates a desire, which is the desire to be not-different from the rest. which... hey, everyone's entitled to be plain, boring, lame an' as ordinary as their wife can stand.
1663511;1496188436;mircea_popescu;!!up gabriel_laddel_p
1663512;1496188436;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
1663513;1496189094;gabriel_laddel_p;Is anyone aware of "magic" shared libraries that must be included with a linux distro to work? When I build a MasamuneRescueCD fdisk -l does not see any disks, nor does lsblk, in spite of my including all shared libraries required by lddtree --list
1663514;1496189131;gabriel_laddel_p;emacs, htop, mc, sbcl all work fine, but X11 & fdisk do not, which sort of screws me. strace works, but tracing the X process does not turn up anything useful
1663515;1496189261;trinque;sounds like you didn't pack along the right kernel modules, or otherwise didn't mount dev correctly
1663516;1496189275;trinque;afaik linux always mounts /dev automatically these days, so I'd suspect the former.
1663517;1496189297;gabriel_laddel_p;Oddly enough, the fdisk binary from https://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~purschke/RescueCD/ works, even though I have a different kernel than it ships with (the masamune one), and different shared libs (masamune ones).
1663518;1496189327;gabriel_laddel_p;I would have thought that it was compiled statically, but lddtree turns up deps
1663519;1496189365;trinque;pasting an error would be a start; missing libs would be a pretty recognizable barf.
1663520;1496189387;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: there is no error to paste. Nothing is missing, nothing shows up as missing when I strace it.
1663521;1496189394;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: it just doesn't detect anything
1663522;1496189423;gabriel_laddel_p;I will double check that all kernel modules are being included, but could have sworn I got em all
1663523;1496189536;trinque;dmesg is your friend.
1663524;1496189548;trinque;also inspecting /dev for the presence of your block device.
1663525;1496189576;trinque;you will see after having loaded the driver for whichever block device, that sdb1 and so on were created.
1663526;1496189580;trinque;in dmesg.
1663527;1496189613;gabriel_laddel_p;why would I have to load a driver for a block device? and sdb1 and so on and so forth are NOT created, no seen anywhere
1663528;1496189628;gabriel_laddel_p;which I suppose credits your /dev/ is not being populated correctly theory
1663529;1496189686;trinque;you could certainly turn off the driver which would present your sata drive if you got too uncheck-happy configuring your kernel.
1663530;1496189729;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: I'm the very opposite of "uncheck happy", I use the VERY SAME kernel binary being used in
1663531;1496189733;gabriel_laddel_p;"userland"
1663532;1496189743;gabriel_laddel_p;it isn't minimal in any sense.
1663533;1496189861;trinque;dev is mounted, yes?
1663534;1496189868;trinque;done by /etc/init.d/devfs
1663535;1496189919;trinque;maybe the kernel is mounting /dev in an initrd, but when leaving initrd, nobody's attaching it to the new root.
1663536;1496189927;trinque;not looking at the thing in question, so don't know.
1663537;1496190009;gabriel_laddel_p;I don't have it in front of me either so idk. Have not touched this project in a ~month or more. That /etc/init.d/devfs exists is news to me, and will try messing with it next
1663538;1496190049;trinque;on my gentoo box it is part of the "sysinit" runlevel.
1663539;1496190109;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/drbpq/?raw=true
1663540;1496192913;mod6;I haven't gotten openbsd to do quite what I want yet, even with the -crtscts flag set for stty.
1663541;1496193041;mod6;Will report if I get it figured out.
1663542;1496194520;phf;re fdisk: check that you have /sys mount
1663543;1496195888;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D78CEE3D6AFEA2E04CC0ABC29C0013156DCBFC2FD218686EA0470CFEC004DBD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1748...8837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.101.111.12 (ssh-rsa key from 128.101.111.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (tcfreeways.itslab.umn.edu. US MN)
1663544;1496195888;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D78CEE3D6AFEA2E04CC0ABC29C0013156DCBFC2FD218686EA0470CFEC004DBD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1512...2087 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.101.111.12 (ssh-rsa key from 128.101.111.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (tcfreeways.itslab.umn.edu. US MN)
1663545;1496206574;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/urssL/?raw=true
1663546;1496206574;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1663547;1496208098;shinohai;Also BingoBoingo ... the Noriega article may be one of your best yet :D
1663548;1496208176;shinohai;I hear Oliver North is inconsolable.
1663549;1496221389;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/lazy-wreckers-actually-dare-to-name-their-thing-etherdoge/ << Qntra - Lazy Wreckers Actually Dare To Name Their Thing "EtherDoge"
1663550;1496223052;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1663551;1496223056;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2209.99, vol: 14688.48510099 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2150.011, vol: 7960.10357 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2089.0, vol: 25404.67782437 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2179.71, vol: 10525.84350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2191.0, vol: 8851.14375247 | Volume-weighted last average: 2150.10654178
1663552;1496223093;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/05/fiat-wraps-up-miserable-may-as-malaise-reaches-new-lows/ << Qntra - Fiat Wraps Up Miserable May As Malaise Reaches New Lows
1663553;1496233167;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " continue to take it's toll "
1663554;1496235793;mircea_popescu;!!up erlehmann
1663555;1496235793;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1663556;1496236338;mircea_popescu;and in today's lulz : bavaria, which apparently still imagines itself a state for some reason, has decided Mahawachiralongkon Bodinthrathepphayawarangkun (that's, incredibly enough, not a german national's name) spends most of his time there, and therefore they get to tax his inheritance.
1663557;1496236377;mircea_popescu;which is rather convenient, seeing how he inherited nothing less than thailand's ~30bn crown fortune (he's the guy in the "scandalous" party where his woman was topless around the pool o noes!11).
1663558;1496236435;mircea_popescu;those 30 bn do include, of course, the blue diamond stolen back in 1989 from saud faisal's palace by a thai janitor, who was then caught by a lt-general of the thay royal police, except when the thais flew back to ryadh to return the loot the saudis discovered the parts not missing were fake.
1663559;1496237217;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: curious, how do they intend to collect this tax
1663560;1496237236;mircea_popescu;well, they stole one of the guy's airplanes at some point. that sort of thing i imagine
1663561;1496237272;asciilifeform;oughta have the sense to stay out of where they steal your airplanes...
1663562;1496237292;mircea_popescu;the guy strikes me as dumber than rocks, but what do i know.
1663563;1496237326;mircea_popescu;he's funny though, he won a her-fault divorce with some obnoxious cork of a woman through saying she sucks and she couldn't say anything because lese-majeste.
1663564;1496237327;asciilifeform;bbbbut poor==stupid, rich -- smart!111
1663565;1496237367;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking epic, if you ask me, take a fat old nag to COURT, where she fucking loves to go, and dreams every day of her life, and then say THE BAD!!!1 about HER!!!!!! omfg. and she can't give all teh replies!
1663566;1496237379;mircea_popescu;should be made into an hbo special.
1663567;1496237383;asciilifeform;now, this - win
1663568;1496237401;mircea_popescu;a wonder she survived
1663569;1496238172;mircea_popescu;!!up erlehmann
1663570;1496238172;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1663571;1496238189;erlehmann;well, thx
1663572;1496238193;mircea_popescu;hello.
1663573;1496238317;erlehmann;i understand the “many small independent implementations” idea, but does the republic have a grammar for vdiff output? i am sure this is faulty somehow, as it contains neither a recognizer nor an unparser http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/vdiff
1663574;1496238337;mircea_popescu;this is actually a solid point.
1663575;1496238351;erlehmann;full recognition before processing, as they say
1663576;1496238395;mircea_popescu;yes. the vdiff processing was arrived at through historical choice rather than deliberate design. therefore i'd say it's lacking it by accident.
1663577;1496238418;erlehmann;well, i get that GNU diff does not actually verify that there is a timestamp
1663578;1496238427;erlehmann;which is the only thing that makes vdiff possible
1663579;1496238444;erlehmann;sane software would have rejected everything not conforming to the grammar
1663580;1496238449;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1663581;1496238465;erlehmann;are you aware of the seven towers of babel?
1663582;1496238479;erlehmann;turrets, not towers. sorry
1663583;1496238486;erlehmann;http://langsec.org/papers/langsec-cwes-secdev2016.pdf
1663584;1496238496;mircea_popescu;hadn't read that, no.
1663585;1496238504;erlehmann;> The Seven Turrets of Babel: A Taxonomy of LangSec Errors and How to Expunge Them, Falcon Darkstar Momot, Sergey Bratus, Sven M. Hallberg, Meredith L. Patterson
1663586;1496238540;erlehmann;i told all my coworkers to read it. when i told maradydd, she was like “well, that's like the intended purpose”
1663587;1496238561;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i also recommend http://langsec.org/papers/curing-the-vulnerable-parser.pdf
1663588;1496238561;mircea_popescu;what was the intended purpose ?!
1663589;1496238586;asciilifeform;it gets worse : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581252
1663590;1496238586;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 18:53 asciilifeform: so i had two base64's png files in there,
1663591;1496238589;erlehmann;the seven turrets of babel is a TL;DR for langsec. it collects antipatterns (in section III) and remedies (in section IV)
1663592;1496238593;asciilifeform;gnudiff Must Die.
1663593;1496238598;mircea_popescu;ah, yes.
1663594;1496238610;erlehmann;so i can show it to people who just want to know what to do
1663595;1496238638;mircea_popescu;erlehmann you seem like a nice enough fellow, why not register your pgp key with deedbot ?
1663596;1496238694;erlehmann;i am the guy at my workplace who always rants about grammars, but i think i am the only one who actually did philosophy in university
1663597;1496238741;mircea_popescu;in truth vdiff is an eminent domain for proper abstraction.
1663598;1496238760;erlehmann;but it works. turns out that if you tell people in code reviews for 3 months straight that they should define a grammar and check their inputs, they start to do that.
1663599;1496238786;mircea_popescu;heh
1663600;1496238801;erlehmann;really, 3 to 4 months. some immediately get it, but others do it after that timeframe.
1663601;1496238822;mircea_popescu;i suspect you ~don't~ get the "many implementations" thing after all :D
1663602;1496238829;mircea_popescu;republic ain't gonna do it ; it's gonna tell YOU to do it
1663603;1496238829;asciilifeform;oblig old thread re diff crackpotteries : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596582
1663604;1496238829;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll suggest a 'p-tronic' format for diffs. N\........ specifies N retained-of-a octets (e.g., 5\abcde )
1663605;1496238839;Framedragger;good practice, props for persevering! (i'm the "modularise, bitch" guy at work)
1663606;1496238855;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i was not aware a) registering is possible b) registering is desirable for me. so what do i get out of it and if i want to do it, how?
1663607;1496238894;mircea_popescu;erlehmann well, i'll rate you so you'll be able to self-voice. and see topic, it's in there.
1663608;1496238900;erlehmann;i see
1663609;1496238903;mircea_popescu;can you see the chan topic in your client ?
1663610;1496238914;erlehmann;yes, how to participate. i might have read it at some point in the past.
1663611;1496238951;mircea_popescu;in which mp discovers that how to register with deedbot is NOT actually linked in the topic.
1663612;1496238957;mircea_popescu;i need moar grammar brb.
1663613;1496238973;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i think i do understand the many implementations thing. data that flowing over abstraction boundaries has the potential to trigger a holographic fracture (i believe that is how it is called). to prevent this, you need a parser and an unparser and both need to have the same grammar (max deterministic context-free) and check it.
1663614;1496238982;erlehmann;simple example, ffmpeg
1663615;1496239020;erlehmann;every idiot who just takes an uploaded file and converts it using ffmpeg is just a 4 line text file away from me filling whatever storage the idiot has on the converter system
1663616;1496239032;erlehmann;reason: ffmpeg takes synthesizer instructions in plain text
1663617;1496239049;asciilifeform;erlehmann: recall pkzip-bombs on bbsen ?
1663618;1496239076;erlehmann;no one expects 999gigabytes.mp3 to be a text file instructing ffmpeg to generate silence with a really high sample rate (around 1GB per second)
1663619;1496239105;asciilifeform;on the contrary, any literate fella using a decompressor , expects
1663620;1496239140;erlehmann;asciilifeform actually no, but i think i know what you mean. zip bombs only work with programs that do not do full recognition before processing.
1663621;1496239202;erlehmann;asciilifeform the problem is the different assumption people have about components. the programmer feeding input to ffmpeg expects audio files to be input. a recognizer would solve that.
1663622;1496239233;erlehmann;multiple implementations show multiple assumptions (i.e. multiple grammars)
1663623;1496239245;erlehmann;so it is like testing a lot with malicious compliant testers
1663624;1496239247;asciilifeform;i suspect that erlehmann will like 'p' ( not yet released proggy. ) where you give it a cycle count before it runs, and it gets to step ~that~ many steps, and produces no more than B bytes of output per step...
1663625;1496239291;erlehmann;maybe. ethereum has a gas price, yet it is still turing complete, still reentrant, still vulnerable.
1663626;1496239312;asciilifeform;because monkeys
1663627;1496239324;erlehmann;monkeys love turing completeness
1663628;1496239354;asciilifeform;finite tapes technically ain't turingcomplete
1663629;1496239382;asciilifeform;well, finitetape+fixedsteps
1663630;1496239388;erlehmann;it is about reasoning
1663631;1496239396;erlehmann;putting the mechanism in your head
1663632;1496239396;asciilifeform;you get a halting guarantee, what.
1663633;1496239408;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#footnote_2_68942 << there we go, updated.
1663634;1496239409;erlehmann;the universe provides a halting guarantee: proton decay
1663635;1496239414;mircea_popescu;any other glaring errors anyone ?
1663636;1496239417;asciilifeform;( in 'p', nor ethertardium )
1663637;1496239422;asciilifeform;*not
1663638;1496239464;erlehmann;i have a talent to find errors by not comprehending stuff. talk context-free or regular to me!
1663639;1496239483;mircea_popescu;lol. yeah, i think i might've seen that before.
1663640;1496239495;erlehmann;i think it is a good rule to talk to autists
1663641;1496239515;erlehmann;like that
1663642;1496239518;mircea_popescu;well, it'd better be, not so much else available to talk to these days, is there.
1663643;1496239558;erlehmann;i also highly prefer it if people talk to me like that. the worst people are those that are like “please send me this and that” – “send me an email with the full details of what and where i should send it please” – “can't you just infer it from the last time you mailed me something?”
1663644;1496239575;erlehmann;i can, but it puts the burden on me. possible misunderstandings.
1663645;1496239603;mircea_popescu;hey, i beat the slavegirls if they fail to infer ; and also if they infer incorrectly.
1663646;1496239606;mircea_popescu;sucks being a slavegirl.
1663647;1496239633;erlehmann;at one langsec and tea gathering i suspected that every joke contains a misunderstanding on some level
1663648;1496239647;erlehmann;therefore: no deterministic context-free jokes
1663649;1496239667;mircea_popescu;actually in my youth i deemed as the highest achievement in literature a situation where multiple parties participated in a conversation that admits an interpretation for each.
1663650;1496239715;erlehmann;three moldbugs walk into a bar …
1663651;1496239732;mircea_popescu;lol. there's that joke with the christian and jew debating the truth of the bible also.
1663652;1496239784;erlehmann;so who of you has opinions about build systems?
1663653;1496239788;erlehmann;i guess some of you have
1663654;1496239842;erlehmann;i am of the opinion that all build systems except my own redo implementation are shit. reason: non-existence dependencies. if you search for header files at locations A, B, C, find it at C, then C is a dependency. but if non-existing A or B start to exist, the target must rebuilt.
1663655;1496239866;mircea_popescu;ha!
1663656;1496239880;erlehmann;you can easily infer what those files are using strace or similar methods
1663657;1496239892;erlehmann;but apparently, i am the only one who does. DJB thought of it, he has notes on it.
1663658;1496239906;erlehmann;as always, make is shit and can not handle this
1663659;1496239922;erlehmann;experimenting with a medium-size C++ project (liberation circuit) i found that there can be as much non-existence dependencies as “normal” dependencies
1663660;1496239931;erlehmann;meaning almost all software is rotten to the core based on this alone
1663661;1496239940;asciilifeform;make cannot handle much of anything; i use it as a multi-knobbed bash, essentially
1663662;1496239942;mircea_popescu;i suspect the idea is that systems which require something like make are broken anyway.
1663663;1496239950;asciilifeform;^
1663664;1496239955;erlehmann;asciilifeform if you like builds and shell script, like redo http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/redo-sh.html
1663665;1496239968;asciilifeform;i like ada's gprbuild
1663666;1496239972;erlehmann;depends only on coreutils or busybox
1663667;1496239975;erlehmann;no compiler etc. pp.
1663668;1496239983;asciilifeform;!!up erlehmann
1663669;1496239984;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1663670;1496239986;erlehmann;thx
1663671;1496240032;erlehmann;i leave the explanation of redo to DJB: http://cr.yp.to/redo.html
1663672;1496240041;mircea_popescu;speaking of, what should the flymake for lisp be called ? drool ? dribble ?
1663673;1496240049;erlehmann;apparently he implemented at least parts of it. some of his elliptic curve stuff has dofiles.
1663674;1496240056;erlehmann;but he never released it
1663675;1496240075;phf;mircea_popescu: dribble's already taken http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_dribbl.htm
1663676;1496240077;erlehmann;i asked him at two conferences and both times he was like “i have to answer lots of questions about crypto, ask later pls”
1663677;1496240079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: slime
1663678;1496240083;asciilifeform;already exists
1663679;1496240094;erlehmann;mircea_popescu maggot. a maggot is what makes a fly.
1663680;1496240097;erlehmann;what do i win
1663681;1496240101;mircea_popescu;a fly ?
1663682;1496240107;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hm ok ok
1663683;1496240133;erlehmann;a maggot is a larva of a fly
1663684;1496240148;mircea_popescu;yes yes erlehmann. you win -- a fly!
1663685;1496240151;erlehmann;also ugly names discourage superficial hipsters, hopefully
1663686;1496240193;shinohai;"We were playing with maggots before it was cool!"
1663687;1496240230;erlehmann;concerning non-existence dependencies: https://github.com/linleyh/liberation-circuit/commit/8b7d1b252406ce87fd94aec04d2a1959a593a61e
1663688;1496240234;mircea_popescu;erlehmann "ugly", no. but sexually masculine (ie, suggestive of forceful copulation) names are very well documented to.
1663689;1496240248;asciilifeform;in recent sads, 'Our batch prime-generation algorithm suggests that, to help reduce energy consumption and protect the environment, all users of RSA—including users of traditional pre-quantum RSA—should delegate their key-generation computa- tions to NIST or another trusted third party. This speed improvement would also allow users to generate new RSA keys and erase old RSA keys more frequently, limiting the damage of key theft.'
1663690;1496240267;asciilifeform;-- djb!!
1663691;1496240272;asciilifeform;rip, djb
1663692;1496240278;phf;fwiw, input parsing should probably be solved through compartmentalization. don't run mpg123 on your gnupg machine. in any case djb likewise said all that needs to be said about "secure languages" in his "Some thoughts on security after ten years of qmail 1.0"
1663693;1496240278;mircea_popescu;ahaahaha WHAT
1663694;1496240301;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: source : https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/351.pdf
1663695;1496240314;erlehmann;phf who believes people who cannot roll their own grammar can roll their own compar-virtual-boundary-thingy?
1663696;1496240314;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is wrong with the usgtards ?!
1663697;1496240336;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma guess he's been shot.
1663698;1496240344;phf;erlehmann: people who can't roll their own grammar can still buy two separate machines though
1663699;1496240347;mircea_popescu;it seems the parsimonious explanation.
1663700;1496240371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform altough after that utterly shameful episode with the transvestite whore living at his house...
1663701;1496240392;erlehmann;phf i believe you misunderstand the problem
1663702;1496240414;phf;erlehmann: go on
1663703;1496240414;erlehmann;LANGSEC is about programmers able to reason about protocols and state transitions
1663704;1496240431;mircea_popescu;erlehmann can you explain this liberation circuit thing to me ?
1663705;1496240480;erlehmann;mircea_popescu a real time strategy game by linley henzell (who created overgod and garden of colored lights) where every unit is programmed in a language not entirely unlike C.
1663706;1496240500;erlehmann;http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/notes/liberation-circuit.html
1663707;1496240527;mircea_popescu;so far this seems ~same as what led eulora to having open bots. they are programed in... literal c.
1663708;1496240532;mircea_popescu;is there more to it ?
1663709;1496240534;erlehmann;there is a graphical unit designer that sets up the structs right
1663710;1496240555;erlehmann;which makes it playable. previous attempt “invincible countermeasure” did not have a graphical designer.
1663711;1496240587;mircea_popescu;do you know this guy ?
1663712;1496240589;erlehmann;well, gameplay-wise: units are limited by number of ticks. want to do trigonometry? prepare to sacrifice ticks
1663713;1496240602;phf;erlehmann: sure, but the question is, are you designing your protocol from scratch or you're saying something about an existing protocol. and if you're designing it from scratch then there are existing long established solutions that long predate langsec (unless of course they are just an education organization). but if you're saying something about existing solutions, and you mentioned ffmpeg etc., then it's your classical security specialist "y'all i
1663714;1496240602;phf;diots" position. what you going to audit ffmpeg? i'm saying that the correct solution is not to run media decoder on a mission critical machine
1663715;1496240643;mircea_popescu;phf i suspect he's young ; in any case excitable. give the man a moment.
1663716;1496240687;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that djb piece is epic multilayer shitsandwich : he advocates 1TB+ keys; consisting of MANY (i.e. smaller!) primes ; and because 'quantum apocalypse'
1663717;1496240688;erlehmann;mircea_popescu only by mail. apparently he writes games on windows with code::blocks. i wrote a dofile and contributed some features.
1663718;1496240751;erlehmann;phf i have worked on existing protocol. the grammar codifies the assumptions that you as a programmer make. take an ENUM in the input, for example. grammar should only contain values you know you can process right.
1663719;1496240759;mircea_popescu;erlehmann ah ok.
1663720;1496240763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mindboggling.
1663721;1496240822;mircea_popescu;life these days is muchly reminiscent of 1980s, reading comuniques from disidents behind the iron curtain, trying to judge how genuine, what happened, etc.
1663722;1496240833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oh and coauthored with nadia heninger
1663723;1496240835;asciilifeform;!
1663724;1496240839;erlehmann;phf someone gives you a “mp3” file with ogg page structure? abort immediately.
1663725;1496240858;erlehmann;phf basically, “be liberal in what you accept” is bullshit. be definite about what you accept.
1663726;1496240874;mircea_popescu;at least the kgb 2.0 is as bumblingly self-absorbed as the original.
1663727;1496240913;erlehmann;mircea_popescu if you like RTS without multiplayer, i suggest to try out liberation circuit. the math seems to be fixed-point only, so real-time multiplayer should be possible if you can wade through the abysmal codebase.
1663728;1496240929;erlehmann;it is written by a single self-taught game programmer who apparently uses indentation randomly
1663729;1496240954;erlehmann;play-by-email against autonomous bots from someone else should be deterministic because of fixed-point math
1663730;1496240958;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was quite certain that djb is gone for good when 0 replies to multiple attempted reach-outs re phuctor.
1663731;1496240960;erlehmann;at least that is what he claims, i never tried
1663732;1496240997;mircea_popescu;erlehmann i own a publisher ; not particularly looking for a game, but vaguely interested in competent/efficient dev people for eulora client improvment.
1663733;1496240998;erlehmann;asciilifeform djb never replied to my emails as well. i asked fefe about it and he was like “that guy has tenure, he does not care, people had to pester him for years to make his stuff public domain”
1663734;1496241035;mircea_popescu;oh, you know the fefe.de guy ?
1663735;1496241067;erlehmann;we sometimes bump into each other at conferences. also i made the yellow press (BILD) stylesheet for his blog some time ago.
1663736;1496241074;erlehmann;and he does answer emails
1663737;1496241081;mircea_popescu;he should definitely be here.
1663738;1496241172;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i never heard of eulora. earn BTC for playing games?
1663739;1496241181;mircea_popescu;a possible side-effect.
1663740;1496241191;mircea_popescu;can as well lose btc for playing games.
1663741;1496241210;mircea_popescu;but the point is principally "try and make ANY sense of the server mechanics"
1663742;1496241237;erlehmann;mircea_popescu i believe linley is creative and knows his theory. but no one ever asked him to clean up his code.
1663743;1496241257;erlehmann;but why not just email him? he answers nicely.
1663744;1496241297;erlehmann;and has a functioning bullshit detector. evidence: someone proposed a docker container to run the game “more easily”. linley politely declined.
1663745;1496241303;mircea_popescu;well up until now because i never heard of him ; from now on tba.
1663746;1496241341;phf;erlehmann: that is true, but doesn't take into account complete attack surface. i agree that "write a proper parser" should be the first step, but that's also a baseline. problem is that most of these protocols are either non-regular, have types that depend on state (e.g. a fixnum whose range changes based on a flag), or are outright turing complete
1663747;1496241382;asciilifeform;the actual problem is that they do not fit-in-head.
1663748;1496241387;mircea_popescu;there's also the suspicion that the only reason this "appears to work" as a securitizing approach has to do strictyly with it not being in general use.
1663749;1496241395;mircea_popescu;as per an ancient thread re dynamic vs static models.
1663750;1496241403;erlehmann;phf yeah, the results are not palatable to people. “what i can not do ‘<script>document.write('<script>')</script>’ anymore?”
1663751;1496241406;erlehmann;what asciilifeform says
1663752;1496241408;asciilifeform;and erlehmann i read the paper you linked.
1663753;1496241417;erlehmann;asciilifeform extrapolate your onions?
1663754;1496241434;asciilifeform;whole field is ill-conceived : plugs wrong end of the funnel.
1663755;1496241439;erlehmann;lel
1663756;1496241458;erlehmann;what wrong end? it actually plugs both ends. the parser and the unparser.
1663757;1496241459;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663689 << i believe you misquoted out of context. the purpose of that was to (as you can see if you read till end of para), "The challenge here is to show that secure multi-user RSA key generation can becarried out more efficiently than one-user-at-a-time RSA key generation"
1663758;1496241459;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 14:17 asciilifeform: in recent sads, 'Our batch prime-generation algorithm suggests that, to help reduce energy consumption and protect the environment, all users of RSA—including users of traditional pre-quantum RSA—should delegate their key-generation computa- tions to NIST or another trusted third party. This speed improvement would also allow users to generate new RSA keys and erase old RSA keys more frequently, limiting the damage of key theft.'
1663759;1496241464;Framedragger;i don't believe they are actually suggesting that doing key gen on third party is a good idea for user. discussion was about performance, no? (granted, did not read whole paper)
1663760;1496241473;asciilifeform;the actual curative pill is a system with no nonimmediatelyobviousliketwooplustwo code.
1663761;1496241486;phf;well, that's why i referred to that djb paper about qmail. he stated both the problem and the solution, and his solution was essentially "compartmentalize", but when it comes to parsers specifically it's something very aggressive. like a fixed length line reader that dispatches on a single prefix character. not even a "grammar"
1663762;1496241495;asciilifeform;Framedragger: go read and come back
1663763;1496241549;asciilifeform;erlehmann: 'validating input' is idiotic - a sanely designed system simply contains no physically possible perdition state to be led into.
1663764;1496241600;asciilifeform;example : full adder.
1663765;1496241613;Framedragger;asciilifeform: alright, will do later. given that you quoted from the concluding section however, makes me doubt whether my opinion will change. but will do.
1663766;1496241620;asciilifeform;what will you do to it, to take it to an invalid state ? connect to 220 volts ?
1663767;1496241679;asciilifeform;because so long as you stay in the voltage and hold time constraints ( and you won't be violating these over internet ) it will give correct answer, now and 1000 yrs from now, to all physically possible inputs.
1663768;1496241681;phf;validating input is the security community mantra that i remember since i joined it in 99 or so
1663769;1496241695;erlehmann;asciilifeform by that standard, everything is insane (i might even agree). LANGSEC is not planet-wide asepsis, it is washing hands before walking to the operating table.
1663770;1496241698;asciilifeform;and no 'validation of grammar' in sight !!
1663771;1496241706;phf;these days it has additional twist of haskelization and provable grammars and such
1663772;1496241719;asciilifeform;phf: it's poison.
1663773;1496241750;asciilifeform;rotthebody, rothebrain, cucaracha! (tm)(r)
1663774;1496241785;erlehmann;asciilifeform a spy opens an envelope and finds a patchset. what next?
1663775;1496241797;asciilifeform;!!up erlehmann
1663776;1496241797;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1663777;1496241824;asciilifeform;erlehmann: he eats it, washes down with cyanide ?
1663778;1496241853;erlehmann;my answer would be: spy whips out recognizer, nukes everything from orbit if language of patchset does not match language that is expected.
1663779;1496241876;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the whole notion of "rsa keygen efficiency" is a little bit in the vein of "cheapest wedding dress".
1663780;1496241890;asciilifeform;erlehmann: describe why you think that recognizing ought to be separate operation from actually processing
1663781;1496241910;asciilifeform;the implication is that it is acceptable for processor to be vulnerable
1663782;1496241918;asciilifeform;which is nuttery.
1663783;1496241939;erlehmann;asciilifeform mixing validation and processing code makes it harder to reason about possible code paths. after the recognizer you can be sure that the rest of the system does not have to handle anything.
1663784;1496241964;asciilifeform;this is dumbfoundigly stupid.
1663785;1496241966;erlehmann;anti-pattern “shotgun parser”. draw the processing diagram on to the wall. shoot at it with a shotgun. everywhere the bullets hit, validate stuff.
1663786;1496241975;erlehmann;this is how most people do it, basically
1663787;1496241975;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, after writing that i recalled gossipd design and intentions (need to generate a lot of keys, and if it takes a month - so fucking be it)...
1663788;1496241988;asciilifeform;lose the weak 'rest of the system'.
1663789;1496241994;erlehmann;ad-hoc validation creates a lot of exit conditions that interact with each other
1663790;1496242011;erlehmann;system does not fit in head as easily
1663791;1496242022;asciilifeform;where in 1000 ln of 20char lines will you have this nonsense fit ?
1663792;1496242039;erlehmann;i do not understand the question, care to elaborate?
1663793;1496242040;asciilifeform;these 'a lot of exit condition'
1663794;1496242059;asciilifeform;you presume puddle of liquishit complexity, erlehmann
1663795;1496242063;asciilifeform;a la openssl
1663796;1496242074;erlehmann;indeed
1663797;1496242083;asciilifeform;but the future contains no such
1663798;1496242100;asciilifeform;this is the abbatoir, erlehmann , where we butcher it.
1663799;1496242148;asciilifeform;not to help it to live, with 'protections' and 'mitigations'
1663800;1496242157;asciilifeform;fuck mitigations.
1663801;1496242202;erlehmann;urbit at one point broke down crying if you fed it U+1F46C GAY MEN 👬
1663802;1496242240;asciilifeform;lemme show you an example, erlehmann
1663803;1496242249;erlehmann;asciilifeform so what does this `p` do you wrote earlier of?
1663804;1496242257;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Bmfny << (most of) a sane replacement for openssl
1663805;1496242281;asciilifeform;'p' is simply a calculator, a la 'bc', on top of it
1663806;1496242310;erlehmann;i use dc
1663807;1496242316;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581867 << illlustrations
1663808;1496242316;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 23:00 asciilifeform: i was not going to expand on the 'p' thread until the proggy is done, but this is probably a good time to say 1 more
1663809;1496242317;erlehmann;but i'll wait
1663810;1496242370;erlehmann;reminds me of my adventures with libglitch (most useless shit i wrote and probably most popular)
1663811;1496242410;asciilifeform;erlehmann: no c; no dynamic memory allocation; no unchecked buffer accesses at all, anywhere; no libraries; no dynamic linking; no 'idiomatic' idiocy; and most importantly, no more than few thou. line.
1663812;1496242414;asciilifeform;incl comments.
1663813;1496242426;erlehmann;i chose postfix notation and a wraparound ringbuffer as a “stack” because postfix can always be evaluated
1663814;1496242434;phf;erlehmann: i think what we're saying is that validation for the sake of validation is an incomplete solution for various reasons. you come from a position where you need to convince people that parsing is important, we're saying that ~we know~ and ~we do it~, but we also think that it's not the whole solution.
1663815;1496242452;erlehmann;it was for live coding
1663816;1496242460;erlehmann;idiots reimplemented it themselves using infix notation
1663817;1496242486;erlehmann;of course infix allows you to have an incomplete expression – like “(a + b” without a closing paren
1663818;1496242499;erlehmann;so the synthesizer would stop if you did not type fast enough
1663819;1496242543;erlehmann;phf so about that v grammar.
1663820;1496242552;erlehmann;(“we do it”)
1663821;1496242597;erlehmann;asciilifeform i see what you mean. i can not claim to understand everything, but it looks saner than C.
1663822;1496242601;asciilifeform;erlehmann: gnudiff, gpg, etc are liquishit, and currently operator is expected to review all inputs and outputs. by. hand.
1663823;1496242612;asciilifeform;if he wants to live.
1663824;1496242638;asciilifeform;this is a practice that is here to stay.
1663825;1496242756;erlehmann;you know part of why i came here is my friends have become mad
1663826;1496242767;erlehmann;they no longer write roguelikes where you can shit yourself to death
1663827;1496242779;erlehmann;more like: <buckket> ok habe nun MSI GTX 1070 für mein mining rig gekoppt
1663828;1496242826;phf;erlehmann: well, i said "parsing" i didn't say grammar. there are different ways to write a parser. btcbase uses a readtable dispatch based parser to construct an in memory vpatch structure, i just checked, in about 90 lines of lisp. presumably if somebody wanted to write a parser using yacc, they'd have to write a lalr grammar for a vpatch
1663829;1496242873;erlehmann;i believe at least some crypto currency marketing triggers similar magpie instincts as earlier scams
1663830;1496242912;asciilifeform;all scams work ~same
1663831;1496242919;erlehmann;but i have not yet found out why people are unaffected. and why i do not feel the same as they do.
1663832;1496242922;asciilifeform;!#s chumpatronic
1663833;1496242923;a111;74 results for "chumpatronic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chumpatronic
1663834;1496242974;*;Framedragger currently trying to fight ceo who wants to do an ICO, can relate somewhat
1663835;1496242991;Framedragger;(this may just be a fatal red flag, tho.)
1663836;1496243102;Framedragger;(related, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656958)
1663837;1496243102;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 11:18 Framedragger: via funkenstein_ https://ponzico.win/ponzico.pdf / https://ponzico.win/
1663838;1496243104;erlehmann;the former boss of my boss, when asked about ethereum, was like “my investment strategy is: i hope you get rich with ether and then give me some of it”
1663839;1496243149;erlehmann;asciilifeform where does the tron(ic) suffix come from? versionatron? chumpatronic?
1663840;1496243150;mircea_popescu;sounds very "we in europe have 60% taxes and think women should talk at the table."
1663841;1496243176;mircea_popescu;"in the manner of, to the effect of, in the style of, like"
1663842;1496243192;erlehmann;i think he meant it more like “haha good luck you imbecile”
1663843;1496243196;mircea_popescu;"pertaining to, of, etcetera"
1663844;1496243211;erlehmann;i see
1663845;1496243304;phf;it's a calque from russian
1663846;1496243381;erlehmann;interesting
1663847;1496243402;erlehmann;in german the calque word for a german calque is “zangendeutsch”
1663848;1496243454;erlehmann;“forced/forcing german” → “zwangs deutsch” → losing the “w”, sounding like the word for forceps → “zangen deutsch”
1663849;1496243497;mircea_popescu;zangen is forceps ?
1663850;1496243523;erlehmann;i think?
1663851;1496243536;erlehmann;https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zange
1663852;1496243544;erlehmann;pliers?
1663853;1496243547;mircea_popescu;aha cool.
1663854;1496243550;Framedragger;erlehmann: just idly curious, why did you not continue studying at TUM? i'm only curious because i considered that once, too, and "heard it was good" (well they also seemed to be offering solid-looking courses when i visited them in ~2013). just in case answer pertains to objective details
1663855;1496243561;erlehmann;more pliers
1663856;1496243612;asciilifeform;!!up erlehmann
1663857;1496243612;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1663858;1496243625;phf;chumpatron is from "lohotron" where loh is a chump, it's a word play on "lototron" which is a lottery machine
1663859;1496243667;mircea_popescu;ahh, recall the grand old days when this terminology was getting established ?
1663860;1496243686;erlehmann;Framedragger 1. prof demoed some program he wrote (?) in linear algebra course 2. i asked about source code. 3. answer was like “you do not get source code, you would not understand anyway” 4. no other student thought it ridiculous for a teacher to not give source. 5. i found out implementation was really simple.
1663861;1496243709;mircea_popescu;wait, so you... quit ?
1663862;1496243768;erlehmann;i moved to berlin to study philosphy at humboldt university. different climate there. especially regarding bad teaching.
1663863;1496243781;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1663864;1496243823;*;Framedragger long ago got a "you're not yet ready to read kant, read this about kant", which in retrospect may have been a misjudgement (you can kinda sorta just read Kant, esp. if you're read hume), but i just went along with it. worked in the end. maybe not comparable situation, but anyway
1663865;1496243824;erlehmann;the only person who would not give complete corresponding source and supplementary materials for stuff was a neuroscientist i think. something about having done lots of work to collect the data and analyze it.
1663866;1496243839;mircea_popescu;Framedragger definitely not comparable situation.
1663867;1496243862;erlehmann;Framedragger in short. climate at TUM is like “you are becoming engineers. do not ask questions. money goes to research.”
1663868;1496243868;Framedragger;source code.. wonder if there's a good reason possible if intention was to give source eventually. prolly not...
1663869;1496243878;Framedragger;erlehmann: ah, shit, well ok
1663870;1496243879;Framedragger;sad to hear
1663871;1496243893;mircea_popescu;natural language is useless for any serious rational purpose without endless washing and starching. math does not suffer from the same problem.
1663872;1496243894;erlehmann;i quit studying philosophy at HU to earn money.
1663873;1496243913;erlehmann;turns out i am a far better programmer than philosopher btw
1663874;1496243936;mircea_popescu;most oracles also discover they're much better cooks than oracles.
1663875;1496243962;erlehmann;Framedragger the author of http://unteralterbach.net did not want to give source immediately to not enable shitlords to spoil the game's easter eggs.
1663876;1496243970;phf;Framedragger: it's probably shit code that professor was planning on fixing "eventually". i've managed to acquire a number of these "secret" sources while at umd and most of them were horrendous.
1663877;1496243973;erlehmann;i consider that legitimate
1663878;1496243979;Framedragger;(not sure what "good philosopher" would even mean these days, most of "modern philosophy" is same ol' "research journal" printolade anyway)
1663879;1496243998;Framedragger;lol, ok :D gotcha.
1663880;1496244042;erlehmann;Framedragger if you know german, i suggest to play unteralterbach. i also suggest to not visit commonwealth countries and others with weird sex laws (comic sex = real punishments) when having that.
1663881;1496244049;*;Framedragger has a folder of shit uni java too, somewhere
1663882;1496244105;erlehmann;well, unless you are easily offended, that is
1663883;1496244110;Framedragger;erlehmann: am currently in UK which given its government's position on "weird sex" probably has outlawed said website through multiple acts of parliament
1663884;1496244158;Framedragger;signed by her majesty the queen
1663885;1496244159;erlehmann;Framedragger probably. won't visit UK anytime soon.
1663886;1496244192;Framedragger;thanks for the pointer, will actually check. i know a bit of german but too little. may make it even more fun, tho
1663887;1496244200;erlehmann;game is also there in english
1663888;1496244222;phf;i wonder if this creates significant cognitive dissonance in these people. it took me a while to learn how to scale elegance (and how incredibly costly it is, hence gems like tex.web ARE gems), but here you have a prof, drinking own koolaid of whatever best practices, attempts to write a non-trivial project and ends up with unmanageable complexity
1663889;1496244259;mircea_popescu;phf and then you ask him why he continues to pretend like he has something to say in plenum and he breaks down and cries before 200 students.
1663890;1496244317;erlehmann;phf good profs listen and learn even from students if appropriate.
1663891;1496244321;mircea_popescu;of all the gone traditions of the academic citadel, the one mp most regrets is mercilessness.
1663892;1496244373;erlehmann;i once had a case of a philosophy lecturer claiming computers cannot work on meaning, only syntax. i answered with an explanation of undefined behaviour in C compilers.
1663893;1496244386;mircea_popescu;and he bought that ?!
1663894;1496244412;erlehmann;i think part of the room was sufficiently disoriented by the fact that GCC drops loops without side effects
1663895;1496244422;erlehmann;(… because they have no meaning)
1663896;1496244442;mircea_popescu;lmao. worst argument ever.
1663897;1496244449;phf;(heavy technobabble) prof: yeah yeah ugh i can see that, moving on
1663898;1496244466;erlehmann;i think i actually got through by demonstrating n3
1663899;1496244476;mircea_popescu;"ex nihilo nihil fit ergo please believe computers are people"
1663900;1496244481;erlehmann;i have no idea how someone can believe elementary logic is something magic
1663901;1496244485;erlehmann;that only the human brain can do
1663902;1496244501;erlehmann;while teaching formal methods to work with it
1663903;1496244502;mircea_popescu;erlehmann elementary logic does not work on meaning ; only syntax.
1663904;1496244592;erlehmann;mircea_popescu certainly, i was referring to a different person that claimed a computer can not work with “a → b … and also, a is false” or something like that
1663905;1496244623;erlehmann;i am ever so slightly sorry for not telling in understandable ways
1663906;1496244700;erlehmann;but back to the GCC example, i think someone said “a computer can not recognize meaninglessness” or similar
1663907;1496244723;Framedragger;isn't it fun that even C macros are not context-free, huehuehue. such language!
1663908;1496244727;erlehmann;reducing something to NOP seemed to imply something different
1663909;1496244735;erlehmann;Framedragger to the moon with it!
1663910;1496244749;erlehmann;i bet you read that at the orange wobsite
1663911;1496244769;Framedragger;it *reminded* me of that fact, i knew it was crazy turing complete madness before tho :D
1663912;1496244828;erlehmann;asciilifeform any timetable on p?
1663913;1496244858;phf;hehe
1663914;1496244870;asciilifeform;erlehmann: finished, aside from a few of the higher arithm ops
1663915;1496244877;asciilifeform;( and docs )
1663916;1496244888;asciilifeform;why, can't wait ?
1663917;1496244891;phf;erlehmann: do you still use "neo 2 keyboard layout"?
1663918;1496244893;erlehmann;asciilifeform curious.
1663919;1496244967;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663763 << this i'm affraid is wishful thinking. consider the simple case of the 110/220 volt switch on most desktop power supplies. it... does contain such a state, as part and parcel of why it even exists in the first place.
1663920;1496244967;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 14:39 asciilifeform: erlehmann: 'validating input' is idiotic - a sanely designed system simply contains no physically possible perdition state to be led into.
1663921;1496244988;mircea_popescu;this i suspect is generally the case, if an item doesn't contain deadly possible states it is more properly a toy than a tool.
1663922;1496245031;mircea_popescu;in any case, the problem of the 110/220 swich is not, to this day, solved.
1663923;1496245286;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663768 << let me tell you what it does, because i recently ran a browser games check. a) won't allow email from domains with >3 char tlds. because VALIDATING INPUT, yes. b) won't allow your password. it's too long (yes), it has special characters (o ya), it whatever on a stick.
1663924;1496245286;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 14:41 phf: validating input is the security community mantra that i remember since i joined it in 99 or so
1663925;1496245418;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663769 << yet procreation works whether you wash your dick or don't. scandalously, it seems it actually works better if you don't.
1663926;1496245418;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 14:41 erlehmann: asciilifeform by that standard, everything is insane (i might even agree). LANGSEC is not planet-wide asepsis, it is washing hands before walking to the operating table.
1663927;1496245476;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663778 << that is a badly designed spy.
1663928;1496245476;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 14:44 erlehmann: my answer would be: spy whips out recognizer, nukes everything from orbit if language of patchset does not match language that is expected.
1663929;1496245561;mircea_popescu;i spent a while having to subdue my fridge which had become embroiled along with my washing machine and its allies in an air-and-sea war over some misunderstandings, and i decided no more of that! no fridge, no washing machine, no spy etc needs its own armored divisions!
1663930;1496246593;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663919 << screamingly bad example -- all current ps lack the switch, and in fact designed to make use of 90-300volt, wherever in the world
1663931;1496246593;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 15:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663763 << this i'm affraid is wishful thinking. consider the simple case of the 110/220 volt switch on most desktop power supplies. it... does contain such a state, as part and parcel of why it even exists in the first place.
1663932;1496246610;asciilifeform;and not by 'autodetecting' (validating!111) either, but by actual design
1663933;1496246616;asciilifeform;( transformerless conversion )
1663934;1496246646;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663922 << entirely solved , lol! i got rid of all 'switch'-having ps years! ago
1663935;1496246646;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 15:37 mircea_popescu: in any case, the problem of the 110/220 swich is not, to this day, solved.
1663936;1496246654;asciilifeform;not 1 left in any of asciilifeform's systems.
1663937;1496246767;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663925 << the direct equiv of unwashedcock is the winblowz box plugged directly into public net
1663938;1496246767;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 15:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663769 << yet procreation works whether you wash your dick or don't. scandalously, it seems it actually works better if you don't.
1663939;1496246775;asciilifeform;where yes 'procreation worx great!'
1663940;1496246883;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663921 << overall it is not a useful line of thought re physical objects, all of which have 'potential deadly state', say of being launched through my head in a tornado. it is only interesting re information-processors.
1663941;1496246883;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 15:36 mircea_popescu: this i suspect is generally the case, if an item doesn't contain deadly possible states it is more properly a toy than a tool.
1663942;1496246924;asciilifeform;which in fact can be built to validly transition from every possible state to another valid possible state ( see the adder example earlier. )
1663943;1496246950;asciilifeform;the generalization of the principle is ffa
1663944;1496246957;asciilifeform;where the only 'world ends' operation is div0
1663945;1496246983;asciilifeform;( and leads to terminate-with-epitaph, a perfectly valid state, rather than exploitability )
1663946;1496247258;asciilifeform;now in all fairness, the coveted 'information processer' is not found in nature, only the lowly 'physical object' is found there; and to make the former out of the latter is not at all easy,
1663947;1496247262;asciilifeform;e.g.,
1663948;1496247270;asciilifeform;!#s metastability
1663949;1496247271;a111;6 results for "metastability", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=metastability
1663950;1496247278;asciilifeform;^ very real problem when i was building FUCKGOATS
1663951;1496247293;asciilifeform;and wanted the thing to be repeatable ('yoke test' per the docs)
1663952;1496247296;asciilifeform;see old thread re subj
1663953;1496247364;asciilifeform;(problem was , analogue rng's waveform, while meeting the signal voltage constraint, and even the rise/fall time constraints, sometimes does not meet the hold time constraint! and results in metastable state in digital chip it is connected to
1663954;1496247391;asciilifeform;the practical consequence of this is that when it was connected to TWO of'em, they could easily end up with different impressions of what they saw, breaking 'yokeability')
1663955;1496247409;asciilifeform;how i solved this -- is exercise for the reader ( i did solve it )
1663956;1496247417;asciilifeform;read the fuckingsource folx!111
1663957;1496247439;asciilifeform;now if meteor falls on it, or nuke is set off nearby, all bets still off. physical object.
1663958;1496247457;asciilifeform;( everything and everybody one day reverts to 'physical object' behaviour... )
1663959;1496247753;asciilifeform;funny bit re metastability -- i did not realize that it was the one and only possible culprit until i confirmed that the logic analyzer in fact saw, on multiple occasions (at least 1 ppm) a variant logic state from what the rest of the circuit saw.
1663960;1496248087;asciilifeform;and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
1663961;1496248151;asciilifeform;because the alternative is 'oh, shuddup that winblowz is porous, because godel, nyahahaha'
1663962;1496248163;asciilifeform;it is solely an excuse for pissing the bed, and never anything else.
1663963;1496248549;phf;halting problem!1
1663964;1496248602;asciilifeform;==
1663965;1496248639;asciilifeform;i actually met a 'genius' who : asciilifeform: 'winblowz crashes daily' ; d00d : 'hey, halting problem unsolvable!'
1663966;1496248691;asciilifeform;дай дураку топор (tm)(r)
1663967;1496249047;asciilifeform;!~later tell erlehmann http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663810 << this is neat, and yes, exactly same idea.
1663968;1496249047;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 14:52 erlehmann: reminds me of my adventures with libglitch (most useless shit i wrote and probably most popular)
1663969;1496249076;asciilifeform;umm
1663970;1496249084;asciilifeform;what happened here
1663971;1496249087;asciilifeform;.. shinohai ?
1663972;1496249140;asciilifeform;!#seen jhvh1
1663973;1496249140;a111;2017-05-31 <jhvh1> BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2209.99, vol: 14688.48510099 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2150.011, vol: 7960.10357 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2089.0, vol: 25404.67782437 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2179.71, vol: 10525.84350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2191.0, vol: 8851.14375247 | Volume-weighted last average: 2150.10654178
1663974;1496249171;asciilifeform;lol, useless
1663975;1496249175;asciilifeform;(for bot)
1663976;1496249256;phf;would be handy if a111 tracked parts..
1663977;1496249273;asciilifeform;aha
1663978;1496250298;shinohai;server reset last night asciilifeform ... should be back up momentarily.
1663979;1496252364;asciilifeform;!~later tell erlehmann http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663810 << this is neat, and yes, exactly same idea.
1663980;1496252364;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 14:52 erlehmann: reminds me of my adventures with libglitch (most useless shit i wrote and probably most popular)
1663981;1496252364;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1663982;1496252368;asciilifeform;ty shinohai .
1663983;1496252501;asciilifeform;in continued lulz,
1663984;1496252507;asciilifeform;'This work was supported by the Commission of the European Communities through the Horizon 2020 program under project number 645622 (PQCRYPTO) and project number 645421 (ECRYPT-CSA); by the Netherlands Organisation for Scientific Research (NWO) under grant 639.073.005; by the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology under grant 60NANB10D263; by the U.S. National Science Foundation under grants 1314919, 1408734, 1505799, an
1663985;1496252507;asciilifeform;d 1513671; and by a gift from Cisco. P. Lou was supported by the Rachleff Scholars program at the University of Pennsylvania. We are grateful to Cisco for donating much of the hardware used for our experiments.'
1663986;1496252510;asciilifeform;-- djb et al.
1663987;1496255852;asciilifeform;'Generating large amounts of truly random data is expensive. Fortunately, truly random data can be simulated by pseudorandom data produced by a stream cipher from a much smaller key. (Even better, slight deficiencies in the randomness of the cipher key do not compromise security.) The literature contains several scalable ciphers....' -- djb et al
1663988;1496255860;asciilifeform;(from same horror show as earlier)
1663989;1496255929;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oa8cj/?raw=true << whole text, for the truly dedicated entomologist.
1663990;1496257159;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/DBIRW
1663991;1496258206;phf;i wonder what they mean by "large amounts", could they just run a handful of FUCKGOATS in parallel? is there some hidden flaw in FUCKGOATS approach that makes the solution non-viable? so many questions!
1663992;1496258261;phf;why is there a need for a "quantum random number generator" (from yesterday's thread)?
1663993;1496258350;asciilifeform;i'd luvvv to know..
1663994;1496258635;phf;indeed. i'd like for one of these fucks to go "oh, we've tried this solution in 87 and there's reason A and B for why it's not applicable at industrial scale" or "oh we need 10000KB/s which means that blah blah blah"
1663995;1496258737;phf;because as it stands it all very much looks like "we don't need solutions because dat grant money"
1663996;1496259589;asciilifeform;phf: d00d was always a bit... odd. recall his paper re 'make as little use of rng as possible, because ohnoez it could be subverted' ?
1663997;1496262947;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1663998;1496265967;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> and not by 'autodetecting' (validating!111) either, but by actual design << awww, k.
1663999;1496266311;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663991 << yes, there is. it's not hidden, either : it dispenses with any role for or need of the stupid fat old women in "the Commission of the European Communities" not to mention " the Netherlands Organisation for Scientific Research " and etcetera.
1664000;1496266311;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 19:16 phf: i wonder what they mean by "large amounts", could they just run a handful of FUCKGOATS in parallel? is there some hidden flaw in FUCKGOATS approach that makes the solution non-viable? so many questions!
1664001;1496266338;mircea_popescu;if only we agreed to agree the dumb cunts are important they'd gladly agree fuckgoats works!
1664002;1496266360;mircea_popescu;problem is, when we wake up tomorrow, the dumb cunts will still be dumb cunts ; while fuckgoats will still work.
1664003;1496266436;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663994 << 10mbps is still cheaper to make with fuckgoats than through whatever alternative they have.
1664004;1496266436;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 19:23 phf: indeed. i'd like for one of these fucks to go "oh, we've tried this solution in 87 and there's reason A and B for why it's not applicable at industrial scale" or "oh we need 10000KB/s which means that blah blah blah"
1664005;1496266481;mircea_popescu;that's the thing with superior technology, the fact that you need 10 tons carried rather than 10kgs is not an argument in favour of oxcarts and against trucks. on the contrary -- the more needs carried, the more you want the trucks to carry it.
1664006;1496267635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linux seems to have a problem with >7 usb-tty devices -- but this ain't asciilifeform's fault
1664007;1496267643;asciilifeform;so yes, you can stack'em
1664008;1496267659;asciilifeform;( say, N pogos; and 7 per )
1664009;1496267815;asciilifeform;alternatively you can use a 'rs232 card', as formerly used to run dumb terminals, bbs modems, similar -- i have one here, happily does 9 ports
1664010;1496267819;asciilifeform;( at 115200 ea. )
1664011;1496267886;asciilifeform;you can get ones that do 32, even.
1664012;1496267900;asciilifeform;rs232 has been around for loooooooong time
1664013;1496268059;asciilifeform;'comtrol' makes a bunch
1664014;1496268061;asciilifeform;others also.
1664015;1496268880;mircea_popescu;aha
1664016;1496268909;BingoBoingo;It's pretty clear that without scintillator'd FUCKGOATS that NoSuchlAbs needs to produce PASHTUN to herd FUCKGOATS
1664017;1496268931;asciilifeform;lol
1664018;1496269021;asciilifeform;if there were pent-up demand for ruinously high bit rate, we could do pci version with N analogue boards; but so far i dun see it
1664019;1496269102;BingoBoingo;Give it 36 months for TMSR weather service S.CLIMAx to need ruinously high bitrate for "forecasting"
1664020;1496269128;mircea_popescu;just pent-up domain to save the environment by publishing more pointless papers.
1664021;1496269171;asciilifeform;( pci etc would make moar sense for 'atomic' trng, as described in older thread, with the scintillator, because there your entropy extraction is limited more or less only by the clock speed of the take-off/debiaser and the dead time of the scintillator (1-5ns) )
1664022;1496269219;asciilifeform;so 100-200MB/s easy.
1664023;1496269228;asciilifeform;( per crystal! )
1664024;1496269276;BingoBoingo;In other victories for "our democracy" a minor Preetling arrested by local constables http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article153608214.html#wgt=trending
1664025;1496269435;mircea_popescu;lost me at cloudflare
1664026;1496269487;BingoBoingo;The driver left the scene of a property damage accident where his vehicle left the roadway. The driver smelled strongly of an alcoholic beverage and his eyes were red and glassy in appearance. The driver admitted to drinking an alcoholic beverage. The driver was unable to complete the field sobriety testing.
1664027;1496269487;BingoBoingo;Wigginton refused to take a Breathalyzer, according to the report. He posted $100 bail and was released. Wigginton resigned as U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Illinois on Nov. 24, 2015, to work for a private law firm. Wigginton became U.S. attorney in August 2010 after former U.S. President Barack Obama nominated him to serve as the top prosecutor in the state’s southern 38 counties. Wigginton, a Democrat, replaced Republica
1664028;1496269487;BingoBoingo;n Courtney Cox, who was appointed to the position in 2007.
1664029;1496269771;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i may be thick, but : what is interesting about this one ?
1664030;1496269789;asciilifeform;what, 1 in 10 adult d00dz in usa did this crime.
1664031;1496269794;asciilifeform;and maybe 1 in 100 does the time
1664032;1496269829;asciilifeform;recall, this is the country where every pub has a PARKING LOT
1664033;1496269837;asciilifeform;that holds dozens, sometimes hundred cars
1664034;1496269838;BingoBoingo;But how many 1 in 100 doing the time also were Preetlings appointed by Hussein Bahamas?
1664035;1496269885;mircea_popescu;the parking lot is for the people who came to eat!
1664036;1496269890;asciilifeform;aaaah suure.
1664037;1496270250;BingoBoingo;So in other local lulz, Marxist aggitators want to remove Confederate memorial from park in StL city. Same aggitators love/ignore local "farmer's" market that used to hold "Pick-a-Nigger Sunday" sales.
1664038;1496270367;mircea_popescu;i don't think they go by what could be described as criteria.
1664039;1496270412;trinque;same nonsense noise about sam houston statues here, by whichever loud daughters of california league.
1664040;1496270438;mircea_popescu;~statues seem to be problematic to the ambulant children these days
1664041;1496270455;asciilifeform;hey, the ukrs TO THIS DAY haven't run out of lenins to topple
1664042;1496270469;asciilifeform;so much easier to turn over a statue than to actually accomplish something other than being piece of shit
1664043;1496270476;trinque;kids can't stand up straight; objects that can't but otherwise, naturally offensive
1664044;1496270478;asciilifeform;statues don't fight back, either
1664045;1496270532;mircea_popescu;i confess i find toppling lenin statues quite satisfying myself.
1664046;1496270559;asciilifeform;just as i will find turning over washington statues satisfying, if i live to partake of it
1664047;1496270583;mircea_popescu;well, lincoln, for sure.
1664048;1496270600;mircea_popescu;possibly worlds most over-rated war criminal.
1664049;1496270619;mircea_popescu;~what the common libertard thinks hitler is, basically.
1664050;1496270751;asciilifeform;funnily enough, not so many lincolns in usa
1664051;1496270760;asciilifeform;other than the gigantic monster one in the capital
1664052;1496270797;mircea_popescu;not that many hitlers either. some evil empires are more figurative than others.
1664053;1496270818;asciilifeform;well lincoln's empire not yet rm -rf / 'd yet
1664054;1496270846;mircea_popescu;there weren't any during the 1k years either.
1664055;1496270854;asciilifeform;tru
1664056;1496270964;*;asciilifeform generally barfs at photos of 'pulled down statue' given as they figure prominently in orangerevolutionary material, of pissants kicking dead lions
1664057;1496270998;mircea_popescu;"why didn;t you pull it down back when it'd have meant something" ?
1664058;1496271000;asciilifeform;whether lenin, saddam, whoever. nothing pissant, esp in a crowd, loves more than to throw down symbol of ~his~ utter insignificance
1664059;1496271003;asciilifeform;aha.
1664060;1496271007;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1664061;1496271062;asciilifeform;anyone recall description of old woman who fired revolver into (already long dead, hanging upside-down) mussolini ?
1664062;1496271071;asciilifeform;'one round for each of 8 dead sons!' or how it went.
1664063;1496271075;mircea_popescu;5 iirc
1664064;1496271076;asciilifeform;'where were you when he was alive'
1664065;1496271078;asciilifeform;aha yes
1664066;1496271108;mircea_popescu;i suppose when he was alive they weren't letting her get close enough ?
1664067;1496271189;asciilifeform;~one~ possibility.