1610483;1485907691;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CwBNl/?raw=true 1610484;1485907715;deedbot;accepted: 1 1610485;1485907985;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/qntra-s-qntr-january-2017-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) January 2017 Report 1610486;1485908396;ben_vulpes;aah, i get it. ycombinator is buying their way out of the sins of refusing to disavow thiel by "funding" the aclu. 1610487;1485908927;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes That's not the words they used 1610488;1485909063;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: nono, i said it therefore it is 1610489;1485909100;BingoBoingo;AHA 1610490;1485909144;ben_vulpes;they probably need an app! 1610491;1485909186;BingoBoingo;Well in their words, YCuminasser is teaching ACLU how to spend money 1610492;1485909202;BingoBoingo;So probably a Rails app 1610493;1485909397;ben_vulpes;the specifics are irrelephant 1610494;1485909665;BingoBoingo;Nah, very R-elephant. ACLUOMGWTFBBQ and all along with their donors have been spending, spending, spending these past 11 days. Their march to povertree is lulzy 1610495;1485909708;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic; The latest State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000246.html 1610496;1485909822;BingoBoingo;tyvm mod6 1610497;1485909839;mod6;yw, Sir. 1610498;1485910002;ben_vulpes;coolio mod6 1610499;1485910055;mod6;o7 1610500;1485910661;BingoBoingo;https://imgoat.com/uploads/4ca4238a0b/558.jpg 1610501;1485911432;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1610502;1485911451;*;asciilifeform working on article! 1610503;1485911456;mircea_popescu;o hey 1610504;1485911490;mircea_popescu;!!reputation simonpenner 1610505;1485911490;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/GJO4N/?raw=true 1610506;1485911510;mircea_popescu;!!rate simonpenner runs status451.com 1610507;1485911510;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1610508;1485911514;mircea_popescu;!!rate simonpenner 1 runs status451.com 1610509;1485911515;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6m157/?raw=true 1610510;1485912782;ben_vulpes;http://ropeculture.org/ 1610511;1485913319;shinohai;O hey that guy finally dropped by mircea_popescu ? 1610512;1485913343;mircea_popescu;who ? 1610513;1485913367;shinohai;Simon Penner. 1610514;1485913379;shinohai;Must've missed it in lawgs 1610515;1485913380;mircea_popescu;ah yeah, came same day. turns out he just runs the blog though 1610516;1485913416;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 << Loper OS - Practical Lead to Gold Conversion; or an Intro to Opteron Resurrection. 1610517;1485913424;mircea_popescu;o.O 1610518;1485913500;shinohai;yay, Alchemy! 1610519;1485913626;ben_vulpes;right on, asciilifeform 1610520;1485913661;asciilifeform;needless to say i did not invent this recipe, it is ancient. 1610521;1485913808;ben_vulpes;nevertheless, a man in my wot republished it and so i did not have to go looking for it myself when the time came. 1610522;1485913856;asciilifeform;note, i had a spare board. but decided to try to repair the old one first. 1610523;1485913877;asciilifeform;(found spare unit by pure luck, vendor had ~one~ on shelf) 1610524;1485914170;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: any idea who came up with the re-alloying trick? 1610525;1485914217;asciilifeform;dunno... robert wood ? 1610526;1485914361;asciilifeform;(d00d who wrote https://archive.org/details/howtotellbirdsfr00wood among other works.) 1610527;1485914547;ben_vulpes;> while etymologists concur, there is no b in plover 1610528;1485914551;ben_vulpes;lol'd 1610529;1485914921;mod6;nice alf 1610530;1485915337;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-450968.txt 1610531;1485921153;*;asciilifeform stumbled on vintage lul, https://archive.is/bYrYc 1610532;1485921636;asciilifeform;'Date: 2016.01.30' >> mod6 ? 1610533;1485921654;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-01#1610495 << ^ 1610534;1485921654;a111;Logged on 2017-02-01 00:41 mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic; The latest State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000246.html 1610535;1485921997;mod6;oh, whoops. looks like i forgot what year it is. 1610536;1485922007;mod6;my apologies. 1610537;1485922079;mircea_popescu;likely story. your flimsy cover-up of the time travel technology is not convincing anyone mod6 1610538;1485922109;mod6;haha. 1610539;1485922202;mod6;a few months back, i actually said it was "October" when it was in fact, November. No one said anything though. Every now and again, one sneaks by me. 1610540;1485922243;BingoBoingo;Time is over rated 1610541;1485922280;mod6;maybe going forward, i'll add the most recent block height in there. 1610542;1485924394;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea, at that. 1610543;1485924442;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1610544;1485924448;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 968.43, vol: 10702.30820958 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 948.223, vol: 8336.63461 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 967.84, vol: 23097.46684426 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 983.635362, vol: 8906.83050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 968.508, vol: 3560.07076641 | Volume-weighted last average: 967.580662979 1610545;1485924546;BingoBoingo;http://epmonthly.com/article/deal-breakers-summa-story/ 1610546;1485925101;BingoBoingo;"SEA delivered a counter-offer on December 12. It was a 15-year contract, which Wright admits was a stretch. He has since been lampooned for this ask in Crain’s Business." 1610547;1485925168;BingoBoingo;“They started with three [years], we came back with 15, and we expected to negotiate somewhere around seven to ten years.” 1610548;1485937076;phf;trying to interact with technology from middle of nowhere makes me question why i even do it to begin with. "Wrong JPEG library version: library is 80, caller expects 90" 1610549;1485939281;ben_vulpes;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/01/gitlab_data_loss/ << stuff of nightmares 1610550;1485939308;ben_vulpes;> Fog gem may have cleaned out older backups. 1610551;1485939342;ben_vulpes;run moar ror 1610552;1485952536;jurov;deedbot: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170201/attachment.txt?sha1=41c6fd5bc887251867bff5577e5af04c66ce8a7d 1610553;1485952585;jurov;!!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170201/attachment.txt?sha1=41c6fd5bc887251867bff5577e5af04c66ce8a7d 1610554;1485952607;deedbot;accepted: 1 1610555;1485956988;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9C527DD30672ACD2AF8A0882D1637C50603F3FB1A5F2581038D8CAB33D49C97E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1539...7087 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.65.137 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.65.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (4624.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU) 1610556;1485956988;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9C527DD30672ACD2AF8A0882D1637C50603F3FB1A5F2581038D8CAB33D49C97E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1516...4497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.65.137 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.65.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (4624.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU) 1610557;1485960012;mircea_popescu;phf you managed to go back to the 80s ? 1610558;1485960099;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no that's ~exactly~ what they both earned and deserve. i wasn't kidding re memory holing the other day, the plan literally is for EVERYTHING empire made to get permanently lost. from wikipedia on. 1610559;1485960164;mircea_popescu;!~google "ma.gnolia" 1610560;1485960165;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Ma . gnolia - Wikipedia: ; Jak&Jil - La moda sta in tutto: ; Magnolia Market: Chip & Joanna Gaines | HGTV Fixer Upper: 1610561;1485960174;mircea_popescu;heh mkay. 1610562;1485960295;asciilifeform;speaking of pediwikia, https://archive.is/GLvmc 1610563;1485960310;asciilifeform;^ 'drowning in spam' ohnoez! 1610564;1485960359;shinohai;No one could have predicted. 1610565;1485960383;mircea_popescu;yeah and there totally wasn't like, an article describing the policy years ago either. 1610566;1485960472;asciilifeform;the chlorophos given in mircea_popescu's 'bulldoze reddit' piece works equally well on all wotless insecta 1610567;1485960480;*;mircea_popescu kinda loves the mutation of the advertising copy into a fake problems narrative, also. "oh there are problems but the valiant soviets!" 1610568;1485960504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah that's kinda teh idea. 1610569;1485960764;mircea_popescu;and in latest wtf, http://www.aghanyna.com/videos/%D8%A7%D9%87-%D9%84%D9%88-%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AA-%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D8%B2%D9%87%D8%B1/ 1610570;1485961259;mircea_popescu;and, amusingly enough, wikipedia thinks alla kushnir is a mediocre russian-jewish chess player from before the war. 1610571;1485961487;mircea_popescu;(she's a very popular ukr bellydancer) 1610572;1485961542;shinohai;I'm trying to talk indiancandy into doing bellydancing, for diversity. 1610573;1485961595;mircea_popescu;talk therapy has its limits. from experience girl was either into bellydancing when she was 9, or else she either bellydances or gets the hose again. 1610574;1485961603;mircea_popescu;there's no talking girl into it. 1610575;1485961658;shinohai;It's hard to find interesting ideas for camgirl that refuses to use a dildo or other penetrative props 1610576;1485961682;mircea_popescu;well, you're also new at this huh. 1610577;1485962240;shinohai;Well kinda, but usually it's simple "Wanna write numbers on tits for Trilema?" or something similar and I get mah 10% and move on lol 1610578;1485962287;mircea_popescu;:p 1610579;1485962306;mircea_popescu;ownership of the means of production is hard work. 1610580;1485962318;shinohai;Indeed. 1610581;1485962338;mircea_popescu;as teh linked "song" sez, "the father of many cunts worth money doesn't sleep" 1610582;1485962365;asciilifeform;such east! 1610583;1485962391;mircea_popescu;o ? 1610584;1485962403;asciilifeform;re link. 1610585;1485962518;mircea_popescu;heh. la florida, and other eastern places. 1610586;1485963436;asciilifeform;sooo in other olds: x86 sets overflow flag during shifts (SHL/SHR) only if overflow on ~single~ bit shift. 1610587;1485963444;asciilifeform;(x86 has a barrel shifter) 1610588;1485963461;asciilifeform;because, apparently, designer was dropped as a baby. 1610589;1485963510;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 1610590;1485963546;mircea_popescu;shl 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 1 overflows but 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 4 does not ? 1610591;1485963555;asciilifeform;correct. 1610592;1485963571;asciilifeform;well it overflows, no shit, but flag never set 1610593;1485963574;mircea_popescu;dude whaty 1610594;1485963581;asciilifeform;aha! 1610595;1485963598;mircea_popescu;compiler must make all shift instructions shift by 1 then./ 1610596;1485963613;mircea_popescu;you want shl 65535 > results in 65536 shl 1 1610597;1485963619;asciilifeform;say hello to snail speed 1610598;1485963623;mircea_popescu;hey. 1610599;1485963637;asciilifeform;and incidentally sanity checks that introduce branches, ANNIHILATE the pipeline 1610600;1485963645;asciilifeform;(and on x86 that's ~all of them) 1610601;1485963801;*;asciilifeform brb, teatime 1610602;1485964072;shinohai;Hilarious gitlab lulz: https://twitter.com/gitlabstatus/status/826591961444384768 1610603;1485964145;mircea_popescu;heh. 1610604;1485964167;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i didn't before understand that i fully agree with you, x86 / x64 is a doomed technology. 1610605;1485966234;mircea_popescu;!!up aseriousgogetta 1610606;1485966235;deedbot;aseriousgogetta voiced for 30 minutes. 1610607;1485966288;aseriousgogetta;ty 1610608;1485966313;mircea_popescu;sure. 1610609;1485966317;mircea_popescu;so who might you be ? 1610610;1485966340;aseriousgogetta;a budding developer/student of life. 1610611;1485966354;aseriousgogetta;working my ass off to remember more then i forget. ;) 1610612;1485966361;aseriousgogetta;u? 1610613;1485966530;aseriousgogetta; https://imghost.io/image/UOCnA 1610614;1485966710;mircea_popescu;i c. 1610615;1485967167;BingoBoingo;aseriousgogetta: Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1610616;1485967250;aseriousgogetta;he is a loving alcoholic & he works sun-up to sun-down doing all he can. i love my dad. 1610617;1485967295;BingoBoingo;Awe, an actual answer! 1610618;1485967315;shinohai;Here in #trilema we have help for alkys 1610619;1485967332;shinohai;!~step1 1610620;1485967332;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 1610621;1485967436;aseriousgogetta;indeed. 1610622;1485967478;trinque;aseriousgogetta: how did you find your way in? 1610623;1485967503;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-01#1610604 << ftr none of the currently sold chips are in any important respect different from x86 re arithmetic. 1610624;1485967503;a111;Logged on 2017-02-01 15:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't before understand that i fully agree with you, x86 / x64 is a doomed technology. 1610625;1485967595;mircea_popescu;dude that shift implementation is broken 1610626;1485967622;aseriousgogetta;Application Specific, so let's flash these ROM's to mine moar! 1610627;1485967652;mircea_popescu;!!down aseriousgogetta 1610628;1485967881;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/an-alan-smithee-film-burn-hollywood-burn/ << Trilema - An Alan Smithee Film : Burn Hollywood Burn 1610629;1485967916;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks from http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0497a/CIHDDCIF.html that arm, for example, behaves exactly like x86. 1610630;1485967935;asciilifeform;the funniest bit is that 32-bit (1980s) sparc HAD trap-on-overflow instructions, and DITCHED them when upgraded to 64bit ! 1610631;1485967936;mircea_popescu;no bad idea ever died on its own 1610632;1485967938;asciilifeform;to be moar like x86 ! 1610633;1485970641;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-university-endowments-net-loss-in-2016/ << Qntra - US University Endowments Net Loss In 2016 1610634;1485972842;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vGD4UgyJ3E << lynch mob left in delicto flagrante 1610635;1485973337;asciilifeform;in other lulz : http://archive.is/XUJ4l 1610636;1485973433;asciilifeform;'ɢoogle.com' 1610637;1485973448;ben_vulpes;pretty cute 1610638;1485973662;trinque;per the rules of disorganized angry mob, trump guy lost 1610639;1485973672;BingoBoingo;Moar unicode pls! 1610640;1485973676;trinque;sign-waving right is lamest right 1610641;1485973687;asciilifeform;elsewhere in heathendom, http://archive.is/kfQaT >> '"Leakedsource is down forever and won't be coming back," a person using the handle LTD wrote Thursday in an online forum. "Owner raided early this morning. Wasn't arrested, but all [solid state drives] got taken, and Leakedsource servers got subpoenaed and placed under federal investigation. If somehow he recovers from this and launches LS again, 1610642;1485973693;asciilifeform;then I'll be wrong. But I am not wrong."' 1610643;1485973761;asciilifeform;^ www that had the dumps from tardstalk, 'adultfriendfinder', buncha others 1610644;1485977230;asciilifeform; !!up fromdeedbot 1610645;1485977230;deedbot;fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1610646;1485977390;trinque;!!up fromdeedbot 1610647;1485977391;deedbot;fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1610648;1485977404;trinque;fromdeedbot: hi, who are you? 1610649;1485977411;thestringpuller;didn't realize deedbot.org had a webchat link... 1610650;1485977425;trinque;in fact it does. 1610651;1485977676;fromdeedbot;just a fellow netizen poking around :) 1610652;1485978039;fromdeedbot;trinque: i was actually looking around online to see what you were up to these days. its been a while 1610653;1485978241;trinque;oh has it? 1610654;1485978248;trinque;how would I know 1610655;1485978354;fromdeedbot;haha yea i'd say probably 11 years 1610656;1485978499;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PMyHg/?raw=true 1610657;1485978500;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1610658;1485978693;trinque;fromdeedbot: well, if you want to let me know who, I might rate you. otherwise enjoy the logs. 1610659;1485978905;fromdeedbot;trinque: word, does the name plauche ring any bells? 1610660;1485979073;trinque;heh, howdy, long time indeed. 1610661;1485979244;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://archive.is/nWOMS << qntra? 1610662;1485979244;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1610663;1485979750;thestringpuller;training exercise usually means top secret mission 1610664;1485979791;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: and 'new mexico' means: antarctica ..? 1610665;1485979856;thestringpuller;yes. just like pilot killed during cuban missile crisis died in "training accident" :P 1610666;1485979923;shinohai;goddamn asciilifeform ... just one day after that heli crash @ Ft. Campbell 1610667;1485980709;shinohai;In Sports news: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iFZz5WIAAEU_n.jpg 1610668;1485981318;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 70.104.21.130 1610669;1485981318;scriba;ssh banner of 70.104.21.130 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 1610670;1485981570;Framedragger;guess that at this point it'd be great if it gave *more* info, huh. (server hello from :80 / :443, etc.) if anyone wants to work on latter while i'm busy with unrelated things, could provide current code / info on setup 1610671;1485981586;mircea_popescu;the tmsr dns is getting ever meatier. 1610672;1485981592;Framedragger;( s/could provide/i could provide/ , i meant) 1610673;1485981663;mircea_popescu;Framedragger prolly should run that thing yearly too. 1610674;1485981664;shinohai;!~display 70.104.21.130 1610675;1485981665;jhvh1;shinohai: {'city': 'Denton', 'region_name': 'TX', 'area_code': 940, 'longitude': -97.1264, 'country_code3': 'USA', 'latitude': 33.183400000000006, 'postal_code': '76205', 'dma_code': 623, 'country_code': 'US', 'country_name': 'United States'} 1610676;1485981669;mircea_popescu;dunno if you care enough / have the patience. 1610677;1485981700;mircea_popescu;!~echo *thumbsup* shinohai 1610678;1485981700;jhvh1;*thumbsup* shinohai 1610679;1485981716;shinohai;^.^ 1610680;1485981731;Framedragger;my initial optimistic idea was to s/yearly/monthly/ or even weekly :) (certainly possible, and automatable.) will have to wait. but at least yearly -- certainly (not too much effort for latter, i think) 1610681;1485981737;mircea_popescu;which !? is nuke, i forget ? 1610682;1485981747;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yearly is plenty imo. 1610683;1485981815;ben_vulpes;!~echo !~echo 1610684;1485981815;jhvh1;!~echo 1610685;1485981826;ben_vulpes;!~echo !~echo !~echo 1610686;1485981826;jhvh1;!~echo !~echo 1610687;1485981835;mircea_popescu;heh 1610688;1485981882;ben_vulpes;!~echo !$ssh 127.0.0.1 1610689;1485981882;jhvh1;!$ssh 127.0.0.1 1610690;1485981896;asciilifeform;Framedragger: pretty neat 1610691;1485981900;ben_vulpes;!$ssh 127.0.0.1 1610692;1485981913;Framedragger;!~echo !$ssh 79.98.25.182 1610693;1485981913;jhvh1;!$ssh 79.98.25.182 1610694;1485981913;scriba;ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 1610695;1485981914;scriba;ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 1610696;1485981915;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, http://archive.is/lZdBU << for expert entomologists only. (via jurov) 1610697;1485981930;Framedragger;^ oh, that's a bug, should only be one of those. 1610698;1485981936;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: aye 1610699;1485982009;mircea_popescu;what's the bug ? 1610700;1485982031;ben_vulpes;contains rather than starts with 1610701;1485982129;mircea_popescu;hurr durr !$ssh 79.98.25.182 1610702;1485982129;scriba;ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 1610703;1485982132;mircea_popescu;lmao noo. 1610704;1485982135;mircea_popescu;noob* 1610705;1485982195;*;mircea_popescu gets to "as i got in my lyft back home", entirely loses interest. 1610706;1485982224;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/feeeelings-tis-only-feeeee-eeelings/ << Trilema - Feeeelings... tis only feeeee-eeelings! 1610707;1485982225;mircea_popescu;whatever the fuck "kieryn fartwater" has to say doesn't really belong written 1610708;1485982236;ben_vulpes;that poll booth operators have the money for cabs astonishes me 1610709;1485982253;mircea_popescu;lyft is a cab in the sense urban slum dwellings are homes. 1610710;1485982274;ben_vulpes;hey i saw a mercedes with an uber and lyft sticker yesterday 1610711;1485982285;ben_vulpes;heinous abuse of capital equipment, but it beats a prius 1610712;1485982293;ben_vulpes;or whatever put-puts they use in bsas 1610713;1485982313;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and i saw a rich "sv culture" dork and a talented madonna. 1610714;1485982330;mircea_popescu;idem heinous abuse of capital equipment ; but it's how socialism attempts to sell its hamburgers 1610715;1485982400;ben_vulpes;hard to even get excited about even a brand new mercedes 1610716;1485982413;ben_vulpes;"oh cool honda civics now come with turbos standard" 1610717;1485982422;mircea_popescu;bout as exciting as "latest version" software. 1610718;1485982425;ben_vulpes;"i guess that's cool if you can stomach 'new cars'" 1610719;1485982438;ben_vulpes;you take that back a turbocharger is not a rev bump 1610720;1485982440;Framedragger;(re. "contains", since it's a.. nuanced bot, it was actually meant to work correctly, i.e. did not confuse "contains" with "starts with", so.. need to look at it to understand wtf.) 1610721;1485982449;ben_vulpes;forced induction is a BLESSING 1610722;1485982461;trinque;aha, I saw a bentley the other day that had only two seats 1610723;1485982465;trinque;apparently it is only for your driver 1610724;1485982475;mircea_popescu;let us ! add $ insult to inju 79.98.25.182 ry 1610725;1485982490;Framedragger;phew 1610726;1485982501;mircea_popescu;trinque some people use the hos as a drivers. 1610727;1485982510;ben_vulpes;nuanced == "spilling out of head through ears"? 1610728;1485982554;mircea_popescu;"this is a nuanced patient" "yes but why nuances of dark purple". 1610729;1485982562;mircea_popescu;"hypoxia" 1610730;1485983840;Framedragger;a b !$ ssh 85.125.140.228 79.98.25.182 c d 1610731;1485983848;Framedragger;!$ ssh 85.125.140.228 79.98.25.182 c d 1610732;1485983848;scriba;ssh banner of 85.125.140.228 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1610733;1485983850;scriba;ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 1610734;1485983877;Framedragger;"regexp, not even once!" 1610735;1485983886;mircea_popescu;loller 1610736;1485983897;mircea_popescu;are you doing basic science on your software Framedragger ? 1610737;1485984018;Framedragger;yes, *some*. but not enough automation, apparently; and not enough falsification in this case, as is very much apparent :/ should have been an obvious catch by either automated test or at least manual test. was (very shamefully) a wee bit too lazy with this last command. 1610738;1485984031;mircea_popescu;!!up fromsiphnos 1610739;1485984031;deedbot;fromsiphnos voiced for 30 minutes. 1610740;1485984074;Framedragger;ohai fromsiphnos, what brings you here? 1610741;1485984090;Framedragger;did you stumble here through siphnos.mkj.lt ? 1610742;1485984172;Framedragger;fromsiphnos: oh, are you the austrian dude who emailed fd@mkj.lt once? (given that you connected from vienna just now) :) 1610743;1485984212;mircea_popescu;isn't that a little too aggressive Framedragger ? 1610744;1485984251;fromsiphnos;hi 1610745;1485984252;fromsiphnos;no 1610746;1485984283;fromsiphnos;well , i was curious as to what kind of infos are there on the above site you mentionated 1610747;1485984396;fromsiphnos;Salut Mircea :) 1610748;1485984455;mircea_popescu;hallo 1610749;1485984458;mircea_popescu;who might you be then ? 1610750;1485984505;Framedragger;i suppose it's not documented anywhere properly as of yet, hm! fromsiphnos, are you by chance familiar with the `ssh-keyscan` tool (bundled in by default in the openssh package). it's basically output from that tool, plus a list of all IP addresses which can be connected to on port 22. 1610751;1485984545;Framedragger;(the latter are in two files: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/s1_ip.tar.bz2 and http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/s2_ip.tar.bz2 ) 1610752;1485984569;fromsiphnos;i am familiar yes ! but i was curious to find out, how did you managed to scan around 15 mil + ip's to find their banners and their keys 1610753;1485984592;Framedragger;the former (ssh-keyscan output) is basically, ssh-rsa public keys, plus ssh server banners (ssh hello's). 1610754;1485984594;fromsiphnos;15 mil + ip's which are up actually ! 1610755;1485984615;fromsiphnos;i say nice job :) 1610756;1485984647;Framedragger;good question, and yet another shameful instance of my backlog (in an ideal world, you would find an article in regards to that on the most esteemed news source, http://qntra.net/ ) 1610757;1485984718;fromsiphnos;are you saying you actually can access those ip's ? 1610758;1485984728;fromsiphnos;on ssh ? 1610759;1485984815;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you gotta start wiping that backlog yo. 1610760;1485984818;Framedragger;(the siphnos datadrop (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/) gives the banners ("banners" folder) and keys (in various formats), including raw ssh-keyscan output (*_scan.tar.bz2), as e,N,IP CSVs (e-N-IP*), a.k.a. tmsr format, and converted openpgp (rfc4880) format.) 1610761;1485984878;fromsiphnos;i think i agree with mircea_popescu here ! 1610762;1485984885;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: true that, no shit :( (funny thing, i ended up with two $jobs and $uni to finish. as i said before, looking forward to summer, which will be *much* easier, with $things finished.) 1610763;1485984929;Framedragger;fromsiphnos: what do you mean by access? connect to, and get a login challenge from server? yes. access as in "hack da system" login access? no - this is *server* ssh key, not client 1610764;1485984964;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1610765;1485984971;Framedragger;but good news, as asciilifeform et al. have pointed out before, a lot of client keys get generated on ssh servers. if random number generation or other things are broken on the latter, you can *derive* the (set of) the former, in some cases :) 1610766;1485984979;Framedragger;fromsiphnos: glory awaits! 1610767;1485984990;Framedragger;i need to learn to use log-search quickly like you guyz 1610768;1485985008;fromsiphnos;glory awaits ! nice one 1610769;1485985012;fromsiphnos;with all the infos you got there .. 1610770;1485985017;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1569086 etc 1610771;1485985017;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 16:02 Framedragger: in fact.. due to https://hdm.io/tools/debian-openssl/ correctly pointing out that "This flaw is ugly because even systems that do not use the Debian software need to be audited in case any key is being used that was created on a Debian system.", someone should attempt botnet-brute-login to all 13M+ (i forget lol) ssh hosts with rng-fucked client keys. 1610772;1485985018;mircea_popescu;we use interns. 1610773;1485985020;fromsiphnos;well , that might get very interested ! 1610774;1485985096;fromsiphnos;botnet-brute-login like random user/pass ? worst brute force ever .. 1610775;1485985104;fromsiphnos;yet, it seems it's the "only one out there" 1610776;1485985146;Framedragger;so basically that's the kind of info available. more later, hopefully. there have been some scans of other ports on the ssh-broken (phucted, as in http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/ ) boxes, etc.; but no central place for those scans. 1610777;1485985190;Framedragger;fromsiphnos: no, not user/pass, though one could try a bit of that, too, but as in, generate small set of "debianized" ssh client keys, and try all of'em. much smaller set. see logs above 1610778;1485985219;Framedragger;!#s debianized 1610779;1485985219;a111;17 results for "debianized", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=debianized 1610780;1485985424;fromsiphnos;i am not familiar with .. "try all of 'em" ! 1610781;1485985429;fromsiphnos;i ... don't know how 1610782;1485985444;Framedragger;(i must point out that these sorts of scans are nothing unique at all. https://scans.io/ offers data, for example, but i can't be arsed to make an account and check. mebbe sometime.) 1610783;1485985472;Framedragger;(what is nice is not bullshitting around and just providing raw data (at least as one of the options)). 1610784;1485985634;Framedragger;fromsiphnos: you'll need to learn things, this is not a (completely) trivial hacker-kiddo thing, in the sense of finding a list of "hackable" IPs on a forum and then trying user/pass pairs. :) you'd need to be understand how public key based authentication works, and what the distinction between a server ssh key and a client ssh key is. 1610785;1485985657;Framedragger;to be able to understand* 1610786;1485985674;shinohai;Basic algebra helps as well. 1610787;1485985699;mircea_popescu;and yet again passing silently over noob's failure to respond to "who are you" turns out to have been a stupid move. 1610788;1485985729;fromsiphnos;:) 1610789;1485985737;*;shinohai pokes BingoBoingo awake to ask these questions. 1610790;1485985738;fromsiphnos;i am just "playing" here .. 1610791;1485985761;fromsiphnos;so ! 1610792;1485985768;fromsiphnos;are you guys the good guys ? or bad guys ? 1610793;1485985773;Framedragger;fromsiphnos: no. if you don't answer that question, we are left to infer things on our own when you ask non-trivial questions, and people are busy. 1610794;1485985789;Framedragger;(things such as level of knowledge, or who is your daddy.) 1610795;1485985844;fromsiphnos;if, there is something which i don't understand , ( i did understand all you were saying til now ) , I .. will ask ! 1610796;1485985849;trinque;"hello fellow h@X0rZ, got any leet warez today?" 1610797;1485985858;shinohai;kek 1610798;1485985865;mircea_popescu;!!down aww too latye 1610799;1485985865;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1610800;1485985893;mircea_popescu;i swear deedbot is sentient. 1610801;1485985964;shinohai;!!rate Framedragger 1 #trilema, phuctor, scriba 1610802;1485985966;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/qbha4/?raw=true 1610803;1485986018;shinohai;!!v 24A7507FADD549CDA356597F188F20AF23946E31BD72C4EB927EF0AC40880E55 1610804;1485986019;deedbot;shinohai rated Framedragger 1 << #trilema, phuctor, scriba 1610805;1485986038;shinohai;Sorry Framedragger shoulda done that sooner 1610806;1485986301;*;Framedragger will meditate on http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#footnote_4_53927 some more, then act accordingly :) 1610807;1485986387;mircea_popescu;you just get excited :) 1610808;1485986429;Framedragger;that is in fact a weakness of mine... 1610809;1485986450;mircea_popescu;only weakness if badly managed. 1610810;1485987215;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-01#1610795 << prety lulzy how the delusion of "independence" and "in control of self and own destiny" works in retards, too. this schmuck actually imagines himself in a position to... recognize, by himself, for himself, when he didn't understand something. 1610811;1485987215;a111;Logged on 2017-02-01 21:50 fromsiphnos: if, there is something which i don't understand , ( i did understand all you were saying til now ) , I .. will ask ! 1610812;1485987251;mircea_popescu;the fact that he failed to understand something (and failed SILENTLY!11) a mere five minutes prior gives him no pause, much like any other socialist retard, "trust me, i'm a good guy" with blood and guts all over. 1610813;1485987282;mircea_popescu;"i wouldn't steal, honest!" "why are you wearing 48 wrist watches on your arms ?" "oh... that's the soviet fashion. they're... um... gifts!" 1610814;1485987305;shinohai;In Soviet Russia, watches wear YOU 1610815;1485987794;ben_vulpes;oh look at that, fed funds rate holds 1610816;1485987800;mircea_popescu;lel 1610817;1485987825;mircea_popescu;if you win that bet ima cane some investment bankers. 1610818;1485987843;ben_vulpes;if i win that bet... 1610819;1485987858;ben_vulpes;tcha, not even worth planning for. 1610820;1485987860;mircea_popescu;was for thje whole year no ? 1610821;1485987863;mircea_popescu;lel 1610822;1485987874;mircea_popescu;o right you got odds huh 1610823;1485987915;ben_vulpes;this was for entire first term 1610824;1485987951;mircea_popescu;o brother. 1610825;1485987970;mircea_popescu;if you win that bet i'll seriously start consulting you for financial advice. 1610826;1485987977;mod6;same 1610827;1485988004;mircea_popescu;you'll be the lord exchequer 1610828;1485988172;ben_vulpes;"come on down to ben_vulpes' discount lolzporium!" 1610829;1485988549;mircea_popescu;for srs. 1610830;1485988672;shinohai;One single bet could make your lolzporium more profitable than OpenBazaar ben_vulpes 1610831;1485988690;shinohai;This model may require further research. 1610832;1485989000;ben_vulpes;shinohai: it's simple, you just have to correctly price the paper that everyone else has mispriced. 1610833;1485989042;mircea_popescu;but are you the good guys ? 1610834;1485989103;shinohai;LOL reddit bans alt-right subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/altright 1610835;1485989109;shinohai;dis gonna b good 1610836;1485989120;mircea_popescu;didn;'t they ban pretty much everything non conde nast last year anyway ? 1610837;1485989166;shinohai;Was surprised they didn't do it pre election 1610838;1485989178;mircea_popescu;foregone conclusion anyway, i see zero possibility of outfits like iab / conde nast / the atlantic / new york times / guardian / etcetera borrowing in the future. they won't be able to finance ops, and so it's myspace time for them all. 1610839;1485989204;ben_vulpes;shinohai: they didn't even know it existed pre election 1610840;1485989250;mircea_popescu;time to find out exactly how much fat the "incubator that produced a hundred billion in new companies" actually has on the bones. 1610841;1485989254;mircea_popescu;but something tells me there's going to be left very little of andressen's "nice going team" after a coupla years' worth of headwind. 1610842;1485989278;mircea_popescu;fact. only things you like exist. 1610843;1485989313;mircea_popescu;anyway, what was the official front page of the internet, voat something ? 1610844;1485989367;ben_vulpes;fact: only things like you exist 1610845;1485989383;shinohai;Yup, until Ryan X Charles destroys it all with `Yours` 1610846;1485989397;mircea_popescu;lel 1610847;1485989408;shinohai;or whatever the fuck he calls it. 1610848;1485990463;asciilifeform;holy fuq, reddit ideologically pure at last?! 1610849;1485990658;mircea_popescu;lel 1610850;1485994527;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-451136.txt 1610851;1485995788;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/01/be-less-informed-not-more-a-guide-to-circles/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Be less informed, not more. A guide to circles. 1610852;1485997737;asciilifeform;http://unzip-ada.sourceforge.net/za_html/index.htm << astonishingly readable literate-programming d00d. and he has a bunch of these. 1610853;1485997767;asciilifeform;pure-gnat, no deps, proggies. 1610854;1485997776;asciilifeform;linked one is a simple pkzip clone. 1610855;1485997780;mircea_popescu;nice. invite him over ? 1610856;1485997818;asciilifeform;he's a french d00d, maybe davout oughta handle this one 1610857;1485997824;mircea_popescu;why ? 1610858;1485997862;asciilifeform;i can, just as easily, but i suspect that i live under a curse, so far nobody i invite, comes 1610859;1485997874;mircea_popescu;gotta break it eh 1610860;1485997994;asciilifeform;reading that 'pkzip', soul sings : 0 deps! no 'alexandrias', etc 1610861;1485998360;asciilifeform;i misspoke, none of it even depends on gnat 1610862;1485998366;asciilifeform;pure standard ada. 1610863;1485998416;asciilifeform;(equivalent in commonlisp world would be a program that relies ~only~ on the ansi standard) 1610864;1485998870;asciilifeform;!!up _lord_of_mars_ 1610865;1485998870;deedbot;_lord_of_mars_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1610866;1485999005;shinohai;The sig campaign spam camp is that way >>> 1610867;1485999021;asciilifeform;...the what? 1610868;1485999041;shinohai;Philippine IP 1610869;1485999283;mircea_popescu;!!key _lord_of_mars_ 1610870;1485999284;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/AEF7C52AC67A0F28BDA37891CD6F4EDD9C9F15C1.asc 1610871;1485999335;shinohai;ah a potential Eulorian 1610872;1485999381;mircea_popescu;i think so 1610873;1486004443;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: any progress updates on the 0.8.2 / 0.8.6 tests ? curious to see what hacks are needed, if any. 1610874;1486004511;asciilifeform;lol, for what do you want the old rusty shovels of heathendom, pete_dushenski 1610875;1486004590;pete_dushenski;bv had asked for my archived copies a few weeks back, presumably with the intent to run on spare macware. 1610876;1486004625;pete_dushenski;i have no such software in operation atm. though i may fire one up just to see what i can learn about the cuts trb ultimately made. 1610877;1486004647;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 0.8.something was the last prb i had working 1610878;1486004666;asciilifeform;it is not actually very enlightening to a student of trb, because various subsystems were replaced wholesale. 1610879;1486004681;asciilifeform;iirc jurov has 0.8.x in his lxr viewer www, so see for yourself. 1610880;1486004772;pete_dushenski;i might just get my hands dirty either way. not quite lead into gold but i highly doubt i'll learn ~nothing~ 1610881;1486004878;pete_dushenski;0.8.1 is jurov's lxr version ftr 1610882;1486007329;ben_vulpes;progress? updates? tests? 1610883;1486007384;ben_vulpes;they're in a vault with other memorabilia, what 1610884;1486007409;ben_vulpes;hypercard decks, master of orion, dean martin show archives... 1610885;1486007461;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-pork-belly-inventory-falls-to-50-year-low/ << Qntra - US Pork Belly Inventory Falls To 50 Year Low 1610886;1486007471;ben_vulpes;perhaps some day in peacetime i shall compare the hashes of the bins you sent over to my other archives 1610887;1486007518;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: the most i can imagine you'll learn about the differences between prb and trb without reading the source is that the latter doesn't have a gui 1610888;1486007539;ben_vulpes;i did write an article about the material changes from each version 1610889;1486007617;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: http://cascadianhacker.com/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321 1610890;1486007929;*;pete_dushenski re-reads! 1610891;1486008377;pete_dushenski;useful 1610892;1486010440;BingoBoingo;From the Petrus Report: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/01/muslim-mob-rapes-15-christian-women-revenge-attack-conversions/ 1610893;1486011570;ben_vulpes;in other portlands: http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2017/02/portland_woman_gets_snake_stuc.html 1610894;1486012143;pete_dushenski;!$ssh 138.197.195.32 1610895;1486012210;pete_dushenski;!~display 138.197.195.32 1610896;1486012211;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: {'city': 'Wilmington', 'region_name': 'DE', 'area_code': 302, 'longitude': -75.5664, 'country_code3': 'USA', 'latitude': 39.75919999999999, 'postal_code': '19880', 'dma_code': 504, 'country_code': 'US', 'country_name': 'United States'} 1610897;1486012349;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610863 << of course there's enough standard to do it, but nobody does it. even franz's inflate.cl depends on acl-compat (seems like mostly for asshattery like if*) 1610898;1486012349;a111;Logged on 2017-02-02 01:20 asciilifeform: (equivalent in commonlisp world would be a program that relies ~only~ on the ansi standard) 1610899;1486012387;pete_dushenski;fully 45/72 connections to node are from 138.197.x.x, ie. digitalocean. weird. 1610900;1486012407;ben_vulpes;time to update the banhammer? 1610901;1486012426;pete_dushenski;my thought as well 1610902;1486012451;ben_vulpes;bit of an 'enumerating badness' race 1610903;1486012485;pete_dushenski;a bit 1610904;1486012584;pete_dushenski;speaking of the state of the network, mircea_popescu how did you produce this profile without getpeerinfo ? http://trilema.com/the-actual-state-of-the-bitcoin-network 1610905;1486012901;*;pete_dushenski , very late to the party, wishes for getpeerinfo in trb 1610906;1486012986;phf;seems like a candidate for shiva extension, since it's so trivial to write 1610907;1486013191;BingoBoingo;phf: Or a chance for pete to code and make a patch from 0.7-ish 1610908;1486013224;phf;that's where i'm going with that one ;) 1610909;1486013394;*;pete_dushenski adds to to-do list! 1610910;1486013962;pete_dushenski;anyone remember what was wrong with polarbeard's crack at the getpeerinfo patch ? doesn't look like much happened after http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-16#1434518 but my log searches may be imperfect 1610911;1486013962;a111;Logged on 2016-03-16 18:41 trinque: http://dpaste.com/179T4JC.txt << bad press with polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc.vpatch 1610912;1486014101;phf;according to btcbase it depends on polarbeard_better_log_messages, which doesn't press cleanly (that was around the time when a bunch of things got reground, pbd meanwhile dropped out) 1610913;1486014151;phf;and i don't think anyone cared enough to regrind polarbeard's patches (actually come to think of it, he had to do it himself two or three times, at which point he gave up) 1610914;1486014340;pete_dushenski;i c 1610915;1486014577;phf;i don't think better log messages are quite right anyway, but it doesn't look like getpeer depends on it, substance-wise 1610916;1486014674;pete_dushenski;ya, seems simple enough to just patch in getpeer. 1610917;1486014731;pete_dushenski;though i'm still curious how mp obtained the same info using a pre-0.7 version of bitcoind 1610918;1486014759;ben_vulpes;i'm still curious how mp * 1610919;1486014828;pete_dushenski;lol could be a mad libs game 1610920;1486014852;phf;simple, cat /dev/mem > /dev/printer, and then make slave girls go over the result with pen until "get me all peers" 1610921;1486014864;ben_vulpes;hyu 1610922;1486014918;pete_dushenski;bbl 1610923;1486015362;BingoBoingo; though i'm still curious how mp obtained the same info using a pre-0.7 version of bitcoind << Likely with a pre-0.7 incarnation of the display peer info idea 1610924;1486016676;ben_vulpes;!$ssh 52.28.28.204 1610925;1486016691;ben_vulpes;!~display 52.28.28.204 1610926;1486016691;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: {'city': 'Wilmington', 'region_name': 'DE', 'area_code': 302, 'longitude': -75.597, 'country_code3': 'USA', 'latitude': 39.56450000000001, 'postal_code': '19893', 'dma_code': 504, 'country_code': 'US', 'country_name': 'United States'} 1610927;1486016728;phf;since everyone's sleeping, i'm going to bring wintermute down (in the flurry of pre-travel arrangements i managed to nuke my ssh key) 1610928;1486016749;ben_vulpes;are aws hostname-embedded ip addresses even a thing? 1610929;1486016759;ben_vulpes;phf: awww. box had epic uptime iirc 1610930;1486016793;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/big-magic << CH - Big Magic 1610931;1486016951;phf;ben_vulpes: an epic amount of fat fingering all around 1610932;1486018010;trinque;ben_vulpes: wait, pdx elementary schools don't teach science? 1610933;1486019234;ben_vulpes;trinque: not according to latest report from $not-inlaws-yet 1610934;1486019278;ben_vulpes;various suburban neighborhoods have excellent public schools, see lake no-negro and white lynn for examples 1610935;1486019517;trinque;also http://cascadianhacker.com/big-magic/comment-page-1#comment-194 1610936;1486019568;phf;asciilifeform: you'd probably be entertained by my travel reading material http://104.131.72.249/tmp/ostrov.jpg http://104.131.72.249/tmp/ostrov-ill.jpg 1610937;1486021582;ben_vulpes;trinque: ack 1610938;1486045670;asciilifeform;phf: pretty sure i had that edition! 1610939;1486045898;shinohai;http://www.kitploit.com/2016/07/mimikittenz-post-exploitation.html <<< is distant relative of mimisbrunnr ben_vulpes ? 1610940;1486045904;*;asciilifeform woke up from dream where mircea_popescu finally showed him the antigravity glove. which was the only piece of tech he had brought from the distant future where ha had been born 1610941;1486045924;mircea_popescu;phf hey, you should work for gitlab! 1610942;1486045962;asciilifeform;*he had 1610943;1486045975;mircea_popescu;lol 1610944;1486045995;mircea_popescu;and did this dream mp call it the "fuck you rekt an' proper at a distance" glove ? 1610945;1486046053;asciilifeform;almost. in this dream-trilema , mircea_popescu often used phrase 'chick Came To The Glove' and i always assumed -- literary device 1610946;1486046068;mircea_popescu;loller. 1610947;1486046107;asciilifeform;but turned out -- this thing, that pulls objects in 1610948;1486046138;mircea_popescu;oh i thought it just arbitrarily applies prevailing force vector to objects. you know, like in a level designer toolbox. 1610949;1486046270;mircea_popescu;speaking of such wonders, let's play the game whereby i go eat breakfast and whosoever feels oracle-y attempts to guess what i'm having. then when i'm back in 15 minutes we'll see who won. 1610950;1486046350;*;shinohai imagines mircea_popescu eating poached quail eggs and toast for some reason ... 1610951;1486047063;mircea_popescu;well i guess you win then because closest shinohai :) 1610952;1486047079;shinohai;\o/ yay! what do I win? 1610953;1486047172;mircea_popescu;i guess next we have breakfast i'm buying! 1610954;1486047264;shinohai;Sweet. 1610955;1486047323;shinohai;http://www.demorgen.be/buitenland/belgische-navo-topper-sterft-verdachte-dood-b8296fbb/1tF2z2/ <<< NATO official found with suspicious gunshot to head, if my Dutch is any good. 1610956;1486047439;asciilifeform;awww just one? 1610957;1486047450;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585980 << ? 1610958;1486047450;a111;Logged on 2016-12-19 18:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, to be fair here : the russians have no interest in waiting ; putin might be uncharacteristically meek, but in general a half dozen us ambassadors starting with the resident in manilla within the next week-10days is perfectly possible. at which point obama actually having the gall to call natl emergency and set aside the transfer of power is not entirely inconceivable. after which the russians WILL sink all the us carr 1610959;1486047457;*;mircea_popescu is reasonably impressed nothing came of that btw. 1610960;1486047472;mircea_popescu;apparently everyone but the usians is a peace loving, respectable sort of fellow. 1610961;1486047991;asciilifeform;relatedly, putin sacked 16 generals today. 1610962;1486048022;asciilifeform;(why -- not announced yet) 1610963;1486048085;asciilifeform;generals of internal forces, to be specific. 1610964;1486048848;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in monkeystan, http://archive.is/pL4tt >> '' 1610965;1486048848;asciilifeform;Autoplay: On | Off 1610966;1486048852;asciilifeform;grr 1610967;1486048878;asciilifeform;''President Trump early Thursday threatened to cut federal funding to the University of California, Berkley after violent protests broke out on its campus Wednesday in response to a planned appearance by a far-right commentator.' 1610968;1486051919;asciilifeform;in related lulz, http://archive.is/8rU8I >> 'LOUISVILLE — It's official: The military convoy seen flying a Trump flag in Louisville on Sunday belonged to a Navy Special Warfare unit, and the flag was "unauthorized," a Navy spokeswoman said.' 1610969;1486051945;asciilifeform;'Some motorists said they were alarmed by military units flying the flag of a national leader rather than the country, which they said is reminiscent of a fascist government or banana republic.' 1610970;1486051957;asciilifeform;brownshirts when! 1610971;1486052225;trinque;milo yiannopoulos isn't even far right. he's just a republican in the USG sense, and also flamingly gay. 1610972;1486052240;trinque;this apparently eggogs the poor lives matter people 1610973;1486052497;asciilifeform;http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001201702020004?index=0&rangeSize=1 << re sacked generals: mostly prosecutors, police chiefs, fire fighting (yes) chiefs. 1610974;1486052638;trinque;I had a dream last night where I was in russia at some diplomatic event, and I was drinking with Putin and asked him about the Elbrus 1610975;1486052657;trinque;"surely you understand I can't show you that" 1610976;1486052667;asciilifeform;lol! 1610977;1486052724;BingoBoingo; milo yiannopoulos isn't even far right. he's just a republican in the USG sense, and also flamingly gay. << "Log Cabin Republican" 1610978;1486052754;trinque;ah right 1610979;1486052918;BingoBoingo;Named for the "Log Cabin" or square circle jerk 1610980;1486053034;BingoBoingo;In other news the Brussel Sprouts are starting to look vaguely like plants 5 days after seeding 1610981;1486053178;trinque;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/02/ex-obama-official-suggests-military-coup-trump/ << meanwhile the donald has sluggish schizophrenia / soros instigates civil war 1610982;1486053230;asciilifeform;trinque: lol, piece is ~about~ a turd that i linked here earlier. 1610983;1486053235;asciilifeform;the 'four ways' thing. 1610984;1486053338;trinque;ah lol 1610985;1486054405;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform of course it's not reported in the anglomedioa 1610986;1486054432;mircea_popescu;the narrative whereby pleabargain = you're fucked really doesn't get much airplay in the english pravda. 1610987;1486054513;mircea_popescu;kinda conflix with the whoe "i am the alpha and the omega and there is no life outside of me" usg preferred slant 1610988;1486054576;mircea_popescu;trinque is this the "i am twitter famous" "meaning ?" "not famous" dude ? 1610989;1486054673;trinque;aha, going around playing victim on the usg.repub side every time people show up with signs at his events, which alternate between calling trump daddy and "ohmygod I'm so gay look look" 1610990;1486054673;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Milo sold a derpy media startup to another media startup to make some money and now blawgs for Breitbart 1610991;1486054682;mircea_popescu;aok 1610992;1486054719;mircea_popescu;and i suppose if he doesn't understand something he'll ask. 1610993;1486054964;mircea_popescu;in other news, the whitehouse.gov is in google for a "readout of call with putin", which then links to /transitionsplash/ which then links to root. 1610994;1486054980;mircea_popescu;basically the whitehouse is a seo spam siter 1610995;1486055145;mircea_popescu;http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20170201&t=2&i=1171009855 << in other news, it'd seem the party's over for darkies, brownies, trannies, furries, latinos etceteras. 1610996;1486055155;mircea_popescu;be a white man or learn how to make sandwiches. 1610997;1486055300;BingoBoingo; basically the whitehouse is a seo spam siter << Some parts of Hussein Bahamas legacy take longer to cast away than others 1610998;1486055313;mircea_popescu;i guess so. meanwhile where the fuck is their transcript 1610999;1486055411;BingoBoingo;likely waiting for the big television event? 1611000;1486055427;mircea_popescu;was five days ago. 1611001;1486055481;mircea_popescu;everyone wants to replace the two page actual item with their five page droning on commentary, "I was talking with Razvan somewhat ago on messenger and I was saying that I want first of all for my readers to know my opinion about something, and not that I should always come up with something new." 1611002;1486055646;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo broken link in the pork belly article ? 1611003;1486055758;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1611004;1486055779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what ever happened to medveev btw ? funny how nobody in the fake news circles seems even dimly aware the dude was ru president and is now pm 1611005;1486055802;BingoBoingo; was five days ago. << Why would English language anouncement of Make World Great Again be announced anytime other than the Superbowl? 1611006;1486055862;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-january-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) January 2017 Statement 1611007;1486056599;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dhIpO/?raw=true << for the amateur entomologist, 2014 bannon speech which terrified lefties. 1611008;1486056796;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: lady gaga to make the announcement? 1611009;1486056903;thestringpuller;Watching Good Morning America today. See girl get maced with a red hat on. Hat says, "Make Bitcoin Great Again". 1611010;1486057192;mircea_popescu;oh and for the aspiring statisticians, here's a question : given that there's 40 different trilema headers, and one's picked each day randomly, how many days needs one visit trilema in order to have better than 50% chances of having seen all of them ? 1611011;1486058443;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/violence-today-leftists-beat-and-burn-uc-berkeley/ << Qntra - Violence Today: Leftists Beat And Burn UC Berkeley 1611012;1486058738;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, google quietly dropped the linkto: operator at some point. slowly and hiddenly. 1611013;1486058740;mircea_popescu;ever less useful. 1611014;1486059098;BingoBoingo;It seemed to stop working usefully a few years ago 1611015;1486059132;mircea_popescu;myeah 1611016;1486059174;BingoBoingo;In other fads, Influenza B is the big thing locally this year. 1611017;1486061354;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-perennial-nature-of-tolerance/ << Trilema - The perennial nature of tolerance 1611018;1486061726;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6474 1611019;1486068166;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/pope-francis-fretting-over-losses-during-his-secular-papacy/ << Qntra - Pope Francis Fretting Over Losses During His Secular Papacy 1611020;1486069768;asciilifeform;in other noose, my http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1609892 is here and it is mighty spiffy. 1611021;1486069768;a111;Logged on 2017-01-30 19:05 asciilifeform bought a set, will test and post result. 1611022;1486069812;asciilifeform;bonus is also that if you only connect one of the tx-rx pairs, it is a 'data diode' for phree. 1611023;1486069830;asciilifeform;(for some applications, e.g., FUCKGOATS, this is exactly what you want) 1611024;1486070540;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610917 << he has his own set of (afaik, unpublished) patches 1611025;1486070540;a111;Logged on 2017-02-02 05:52 pete_dushenski: though i'm still curious how mp obtained the same info using a pre-0.7 version of bitcoind 1611026;1486070551;asciilifeform;!#s mpb 1611027;1486070552;a111;24 results for "mpb", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mpb 1611028;1486070573;asciilifeform;(^ is merely asciilifeform's shorthand for subj; it has no 'official' name) 1611029;1486070642;BingoBoingo; (^ is merely asciilifeform's shorthand for subj; it has no 'official' name) << "GRAVITYGLOVE" 1611030;1486070660;asciilifeform;lul 1611031;1486070667;asciilifeform;Come To The Glove!! 1611032;1486070728;asciilifeform;btw in mega-dream i did not believe him, that it works, and so he lifted me into the air with it (scene was in a train station) and it was strange sensation, a sort of electric shock in my right arm, quite distinct. 1611033;1486070785;asciilifeform;btw dream-mp 'never took it off', had the long black thing on his right hand in every dream-trilema photo, etc. 1611034;1486071756;ben_vulpes;phf: appcode is a mega improvement over xcode in many ways except for how i think i'm going to have to restart my ios dev box to get ac to recognize the device 1611035;1486072712;ben_vulpes;!!up turdmuffin 1611036;1486072713;deedbot;turdmuffin voiced for 30 minutes. 1611037;1486072721;ben_vulpes;turdmuffin: and who are ye? 1611038;1486072732;ben_vulpes;mmmk. 1611039;1486072748;shinohai;twas me testing something ben_vulpes 1611040;1486072760;ben_vulpes;ohai shin 1611041;1486072793;shinohai;^.^ 1611042;1486073511;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/s2FOP/?raw=true 1611043;1486073511;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1611044;1486073593;ben_vulpes;poor john carmack, thought juries could be reasoned with and that "expert witnesses" wouldn't lie through their teeth for a check: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3jI4f/?raw=true 1611045;1486073629;ben_vulpes;"there should be a danger to your reputation if you are imprudent" << obvious republican rejoinder is obvious 1611046;1486073655;ben_vulpes;in point of fact there is! just not for people engaging in fiatola show trials 1611047;1486076583;shinohai;!!up indiancandy 1611048;1486076583;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1611049;1486076588;shinohai;gah 1611050;1486080281;BingoBoingo;lol shinohai can't hook the famous client 1611051;1486080439;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-postal-service-posts-curious-job-ad/ << Qntra - US Postal Service Posts Curious Job Ad 1611052;1486083982;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610920 << was good enough for stalin, should be good enough for you! 1611053;1486083982;a111;Logged on 2017-02-02 05:54 phf: simple, cat /dev/mem > /dev/printer, and then make slave girls go over the result with pen until "get me all peers" 1611054;1486084415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1611044 << simply participating in the us masquerade of justice by this point is tantamount to "asking for it". 1611055;1486084415;a111;Logged on 2017-02-02 22:13 ben_vulpes: poor john carmack, thought juries could be reasoned with and that "expert witnesses" wouldn't lie through their teeth for a check: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3jI4f/?raw=true 1611056;1486084415;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the alf dream hits an important point. Lords of TMSR are not mere terrorists, but supervillains complete with arcane artifacts (80's computers, etc) and powers (math, etc). 1611057;1486084445;mircea_popescu;just send the judge a letter explaining that he's not qualified to answer any question, including what he wants for breakfast and invite him to stfu or else. 1611058;1486084486;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and absolute legal immunity. 1611059;1486086440;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8DF2E18D0C26DDCE2F47DFC7AEDC8BDE39C38794CD60B94AB37DE1B4CFA6565F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1714...9277 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.27.116.50 (ssh-rsa key from 81.27.116.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (crackstorm.doubleslash.de. DE) 1611060;1486086441;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8DF2E18D0C26DDCE2F47DFC7AEDC8BDE39C38794CD60B94AB37DE1B4CFA6565F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1432...4363 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.27.116.50 (ssh-rsa key from 81.27.116.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (crackstorm.doubleslash.de. DE) 1611061;1486086441;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/50FEDE5625EDC5286F7ACD22CB7B6C552AD6C6A6BAEF961E87F7288F4E56EC97 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1676...1017 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '90.149.253.240 (ssh-rsa key from 90.149.253.240 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (240.90-149-253.nextgentel.com. NO 07) 1611062;1486086441;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/50FEDE5625EDC5286F7ACD22CB7B6C552AD6C6A6BAEF961E87F7288F4E56EC97 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1479...6287 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '90.149.253.240 (ssh-rsa key from 90.149.253.240 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (240.90-149-253.nextgentel.com. NO 07) 1611063;1486087041;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/50FC577424CDBD521EA1F5AC76C68FD32843768EAB41839FD34487EC0599693C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1756...3947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.18.234.42 (ssh-rsa key from 83.18.234.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (bxa42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1611064;1486087041;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/50FC577424CDBD521EA1F5AC76C68FD32843768EAB41839FD34487EC0599693C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1452...0319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.18.234.42 (ssh-rsa key from 83.18.234.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (bxa42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1611065;1486093844;phf;re stalin, explaining to american progressives that stalin was georgian, "ethnically diverse", spoke with heavy georgian accent, etc. creates a lot of confusion 1611066;1486093916;phf;but russia is white! and racis! and homophobic! where's minorities know best! 1611067;1486093964;*;phf went through that exercise recently. one of the guys went checking wikipedia (of course) etc. 1611068;1486094027;mircea_popescu;heh 1611069;1486094048;mircea_popescu;amusingly there was some unspoken subtext of "diversity" back in the days right around lenin's final sickness. 1611070;1486094056;mircea_popescu;stalin was a rather obama like fellow. 1611071;1486094093;mircea_popescu;to trotsky's hillaric linton let's say. for the sake of forcing history into the exceedingly narrow figures available to the ustard. 1611072;1486094102;mircea_popescu;!#s "99% are strong" 1611073;1486094102;a111;1 result for "\"99% are strong\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%2299%25%20are%20strong%22 1611074;1486094516;phf;parents obviously remember "friend of steppe's kalmyk" soviet agenda, and the affirmative action that came with it 1611075;1486094568;mircea_popescu;i dun think mine ever had a clue re. actually, i doubt if 1 in 3 ru parents remember, leat 2017. 1611076;1486097003;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F72063A1556309B31F0BBC8708C1F87252A1C0151C6A4E768F4A66A1196F9FCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1383...7347 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '122.154.3.250 (ssh-rsa key from 122.154.3.250 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown TH 11) 1611077;1486097003;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F72063A1556309B31F0BBC8708C1F87252A1C0151C6A4E768F4A66A1196F9FCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1630...4897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '122.154.3.250 (ssh-rsa key from 122.154.3.250 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown TH 11) 1611078;1486099272;phf;moscow universities had explicit quotas for the applicants from the -stans, but it was probably not as obvious elsewhere 1611079;1486099751;mircea_popescu;internet of pisspots 1611080;1486099788;phf;my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano" 1611081;1486099790;mircea_popescu;phf also wasn't so visible in moscow. what was it, 15% ? 1611082;1486099969;phf;mircea_popescu: turns out that i have a very skewed perspective on life in su 1611083;1486100169;phf;unrelatedly i was wondering if gpg passwords are promisetronic. how do they even work? there's some symmetric encryption scheme used to encrypt the privkey, or can passwords be somehow integrated into rsa scheme? 1611084;1486100784;phf;it's a combination of passphrase mangling (by default sha-1) to derive the key, and symmetric algorithm (be default aes-128) to encrypt the privkey. i don't think we had any discussion about this.. 1611085;1486101414;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC5CBBBAC7C7334F34094822869BB06086D975653C6285708194CDE261E63882 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1682...6133 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '151.182.35.107 (ssh-rsa key from 151.182.35.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (151-182-35-107.red-acceso.airtel.net. ES MD M) 1611086;1486101414;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC5CBBBAC7C7334F34094822869BB06086D975653C6285708194CDE261E63882 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1768...3823 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '151.182.35.107 (ssh-rsa key from 151.182.35.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (151-182-35-107.red-acceso.airtel.net. ES MD M) 1611087;1486102243;mircea_popescu;phf they're pretty shitty. tmsr pgp should prolly use a better scheme 1611088;1486104242;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: $bzprtnr wants to know how to wholly replace /dev/urandom with $entropyfile to make gpg key with all speshul bits 1611089;1486109017;ben_vulpes;and /dev/random at that 1611090;1486109413;ben_vulpes;would be neat to dispense with linux' entropy estimates, etc 1611091;1486119562;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1611092;1486119570;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1008.82, vol: 10531.06242664 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 986.398, vol: 7193.37692 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1008.4, vol: 23127.155556 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1038.128, vol: 13380.53440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1009.036, vol: 3496.00396469 | Volume-weighted last average: 1012.66402758 1611093;1486126617;shinohai;!~tslb 1611094;1486126619;jhvh1;shinohai: Time since last block: 1 minute and 47 seconds 1611095;1486135615;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611084 << it is approximately as useful as trb's wallet encrypter, and for the same reason 1611096;1486135615;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 05:46 phf: it's a combination of passphrase mangling (by default sha-1) to derive the key, and symmetric algorithm (be default aes-128) to encrypt the privkey. i don't think we had any discussion about this.. 1611097;1486135862;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611087 << there is no fundamentally better scheme, because the task as traditionally posed is braindamaged. as discussed in the old trilema re hdd crypto. 1611098;1486135862;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 06:10 mircea_popescu: phf they're pretty shitty. tmsr pgp should prolly use a better scheme 1611099;1486135918;asciilifeform;(if password is entered into the same machine as where the key is stored, a patient enemy simply has to remotely listen for a while, rather than walking away with machine like illiterate orc police) 1611100;1486135977;asciilifeform;but yes phf any system where you enter a pw and it 'doesn't store' is promisetronic (can you see with your own eyes that it 'doesn't store' ? really?) 1611101;1486136514;mircea_popescu;in other news from the lands of the retards, it is now impossible in argentina to buy normal male underwear. all they have on sale, ANYWHERE (because yes it's 10mn strong, but no there's no five distinct shops, just 10k clones of the same one) is male stripper underwear. because hey, faggots won the culture war or some dumb shit. 1611102;1486136685;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should actually be doing this, accost young men, go "hey, you're a little bitch faggot, aren't you ? do you know what we do to little bitch faggots ?" while waving machete around. 1611103;1486136709;mircea_popescu;then have him drop his pants to check, and cut off his penis once the inevitable COLORED ; WEIRD pair of GIRL panties shows up. 1611104;1486136805;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611088 << there is not a simple and hygienic way of doing this on linux 1611105;1486136805;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 06:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: $bzprtnr wants to know how to wholly replace /dev/urandom with $entropyfile to make gpg key with all speshul bits 1611106;1486136811;asciilifeform;(or any other unixlike) 1611107;1486137165;mircea_popescu;we should prolly publish a kernel patch 1611108;1486137221;asciilifeform;not a difficult patch, but remains to ask, for which kernel. 1611109;1486137278;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611095 << this is not actually true. trb wallet encryptor is pretty strong. not ideal, but there's no actual cause of worry if you lose an encrypted bitcoi nwallet (still, doesn't encrypt metadata, has many other warts discussed in http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/ ) ; i wouldn't say same re gpg keyring. 1611110;1486137278;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 15:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611084 << it is approximately as useful as trb's wallet encrypter, and for the same reason 1611111;1486137300;mircea_popescu;!!up pete_dushenski 1611112;1486137300;deedbot;pete_dushenski voiced for 30 minutes. 1611113;1486137302;mircea_popescu;oops 1611114;1486137306;mircea_popescu;!!up peterl 1611115;1486137306;deedbot;peterl voiced for 30 minutes. 1611116;1486137308;PeterL;ty 1611117;1486137319;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1611010 1611118;1486137319;a111;Logged on 2017-02-02 17:39 mircea_popescu: oh and for the aspiring statisticians, here's a question : given that there's 40 different trilema headers, and one's picked each day randomly, how many days needs one visit trilema in order to have better than 50% chances of having seen all of them ? 1611119;1486137329;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1611120;1486137329;PeterL;I calculated 162 days 1611121;1486137361;mircea_popescu;and how did you calculate 162 days ? 1611122;1486137363;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/afLAT/?raw=true << and I wrote a function in python that is just a tad more general 1611123;1486137368;mircea_popescu;o hey 1611124;1486137408;mircea_popescu;lol iterator 1611125;1486137454;PeterL;I suppose there are more elegant ways of solving the problem 1611126;1486137487;mircea_popescu;double iterator! holy! 1611127;1486137737;PeterL;(actually, first I solved it in excel, then I thought it would have been simpler to write a python function, so I did that ) 1611128;1486137762;mircea_popescu;:) 1611129;1486137871;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski what happens when k = n+1, do your fractions become overnumerary ? 1611130;1486138005;mircea_popescu;damn 1611131;1486138008;mircea_popescu;PeterL what happens when k = n+1, do your fractions become overnumerary ? 1611132;1486138086;PeterL;k is never n+1, range starts at 1 and stops at n 1611133;1486138118;mircea_popescu;in which we find python uses () incorrectly : it's inclusive on the bottom and exclusive on the top ? shouldn't it be [) then ? 1611134;1486138136;mircea_popescu;but anyway, PeterL , in fair trade : do you know what a poisson distribution is ? 1611135;1486138168;PeterL;I've heard of it, yes 1611136;1486138213;*;PeterL took a stats class in college, but that was many years ago 1611137;1486138218;mircea_popescu;poisson was actually a doctor, and clasically his thing is applied to the question "if on average the er sees six patients a day, what are the odds of it seeing 74 this monday morning" 1611138;1486138237;mircea_popescu;lambda ^ k * e ^ -lambda / k! 1611139;1486138250;mircea_popescu;your lambda here is not linear, is the only change. 1611140;1486139065;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mb3ku/?raw=true 1611141;1486139065;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1611142;1486139079;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611101 << more than one lady friend has lamented that the gays took over female fashion too. sexual ideal is a teenage boy? mkay 1611143;1486139079;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 15:41 mircea_popescu: in other news from the lands of the retards, it is now impossible in argentina to buy normal male underwear. all they have on sale, ANYWHERE (because yes it's 10mn strong, but no there's no five distinct shops, just 10k clones of the same one) is male stripper underwear. because hey, faggots won the culture war or some dumb shit. 1611144;1486139092;trinque;they're ruining gender expression for everyone 1611145;1486139188;shinohai;So it appears Theymos is now calling for Satoshi's coins to be destroyed. 1611146;1486139196;mircea_popescu;i am unsure about that part ; left to their own devices female gender expression is what you see in 1970s pornos. 1611147;1486139211;mircea_popescu;there's apparently a whole lot of hair rubbing on the abdomen. 1611148;1486139262;mircea_popescu;shinohai remarkable how many craws teh satoshi manages to stick into huh. 1611149;1486139376;shinohai;Oh wait, seems this was published roughly 8 months ago ... but had not heard him speak this retardation. 1611150;1486139747;mircea_popescu;one year seems a reasonable polling interval considering the relative importance of the object. 1611151;1486139952;asciilifeform;shinohai: what means 'destroyed' ? 1611152;1486139982;asciilifeform;( same crackpottery as in my old http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 ? or something else..? ) 1611153;1486140051;shinohai;http://archive.is/KJFeJ <<< Source is a VERified outlet, so take it with a few spoons of salt 1611154;1486140121;asciilifeform;ah so same. 1611155;1486140173;asciilifeform;'...there is a possibility that security researchers will be able to break ECDSA-protected bitcoin addresses in the future. If this were to happen, they could gain access to the coins belonging to Satoshi Nakamoto, and dump them on the market...' << why does it follow that 'let's dekulakize satoshi' but not someone else? 1611156;1486140476;asciilifeform;'One softfork, which would activate ASAP, would assign an OP_NOP to OP_LAMPORT (or whatever QC-resistant crypto will be used). Everyone would be urged to send all of their bitcoins to new OP_LAMPORT-protected addresses.' << lel, did d00d learn of lamport's sig algo from pediwikia, or wat 1611157;1486140778;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/6kZ5a (via subj) << apparently this nonsense never entirely dies 1611158;1486140929;mod6;That's just what it is, nonsense. Nonsense from scammer scumbags. 1611159;1486141208;mircea_popescu;lmao "qc resistant crypto" 1611160;1486141215;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with these idiots. 1611161;1486141239;mircea_popescu;~same as an island full of monkeys going "and if the spanyards come and burn down all our houses ? WE MUST BUILD SPANYARD PROOF HOUSES" 1611162;1486141249;mircea_popescu;really bitch ? and out of what, exactly ? 1611163;1486141262;shinohai;No one expects the Spanish inquisition 1611164;1486141266;mircea_popescu;"THE VERY MATERIALS THE SPANISH WILL FOR THE FIRST TIME BRING !!1" 1611165;1486141268;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 1611166;1486142141;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only possible follow to the idiocy is, of course, the usg declaring that it HAS!11 qc, and the ustards also believing. 1611167;1486142159;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a seeing-is-believing affair tho 1611168;1486142178;asciilifeform;'i haz rsa breaker' 'so here's this key, go break?' 1611169;1486142192;mircea_popescu;if it worked with the "sorry we didn't know it was invisible", then why not quantum something 1611170;1486142194;asciilifeform;recall sci.crypt in 1990s. 1611171;1486142200;asciilifeform;every other week, a crackpot, 'i broke!' 1611172;1486142204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're apparently unfamiliar with how the usg works ? 1611173;1486142210;mircea_popescu;"we choose not to run". 1611174;1486142237;asciilifeform;well normally it works like stage magic, 'looksee, we broke! rabbit from hat' 'oh noe we didn't put the rabbit in beforehand' 1611175;1486142263;mircea_popescu;i dunno ; the "two weeks to take mosul" worked even better than that. 1611176;1486142299;asciilifeform;wasn't that after the 'vietnamization' of iraq ? (what they called the last handover-of-quagmire-to-aboriginals) 1611177;1486142329;mircea_popescu;no us agency. 1611178;1486142347;mircea_popescu;the only thing they handed over was a) own arsehole and b) pellets of dollar bills. 1611179;1486142366;asciilifeform;..pallets? 1611180;1486142372;mircea_popescu;right 1611181;1486142412;mircea_popescu;(nobody seems to remember, by the way, that the downing of the f117 "invisible" wasn't JUST THAT. the serbs had also CRACKED NATO CODES. the fucking serbs. there's barely enough of them to play football.) 1611182;1486142519;asciilifeform;the one 'quantum comp' that is a reasonable possibility is the perpetuum mobile sort. where, e.g., a class of weak (i.e. cheaply breakable from birth, or from a few published signatures) rsa keys is discovered in the dungeons, and dressed up into a 'we haz magical rsa breaker box, go switch to $shitcrypto' 1611183;1486142537;mircea_popescu;yes but sadly they're all on phuctor's page nao. 1611184;1486144066;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/EuvsR << in other lulz. 'Protesters storm NYU over conservative speaker’s seminar' 1611185;1486144095;asciilifeform;'The protest was apparently organized on Facebook, under the name “Disrupt Gavin McInnes at NYU.”' 1611186;1486144108;asciilifeform;'“Come to Kimmel, Rosenthal Pavilion to let NYU know that we will not stand for bigotry, racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny on our campus,” the event page reads. “Gavin McInnes has a long track record of using incendiary language to attract media attention and frenzy…Most recently, in December 2016, Gavin McInnes launched an informal group called the Proud Boys, an “anti racial 1611187;1486144114;asciilifeform;guilt,” anti-feminist organization. When NYC Antifa began to share information about members of the group with their employers (in many cases leading to job loss), McInnes urged the Proud Boys to attend an Antifa concert and ‘wreck the s–t’ of the ‘f–gots.'”' 1611188;1486144304;asciilifeform;in quite other noose, moldy returneth! e.g., http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3167#comment-1731729 1611189;1486144940;mircea_popescu;in other news * Your host is verne.freenode.net[185.30.166.37/8001], running version ircd-seven-1.1.4 is an utter piece of shit, disconnected me what, a dozen times past few days ? 1611190;1486144951;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611187 << and did they ? 1611191;1486144951;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 17:48 asciilifeform: guilt,” anti-feminist organization. When NYC Antifa began to share information about members of the group with their employers (in many cases leading to job loss), McInnes urged the Proud Boys to attend an Antifa concert and ‘wreck the s–t’ of the ‘f–gots.'”' 1611192;1486145037;asciilifeform;not afaik. 1611193;1486145047;mircea_popescu;i guess we know who the faggots are then huh. 1611194;1486146195;asciilifeform;'I love how when you scrape away the “reality-based community” and “I fucking love science,” all you’re left with is “the Republic has no need of savants,” or possibly “please continue talking after I shove you in this locker.”' 1611195;1486146516;mircea_popescu;um ? 1611196;1486146554;asciilifeform;from lulzthread. entomologists can grep 'boldmug' . 1611197;1486146597;mircea_popescu;which "the republic" ? wut is this about ? 1611198;1486146644;asciilifeform;http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3167#comment-1731849 << he was discussing french rev. 1611199;1486148884;mod6;<+jhvh1> shinohai: Time since last block: 1 minute and 47 seconds << I'm not sure who is the admin for this one off hand, but is there any opposition to adding the current block height on there along with the time? 1611200;1486149650;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611054 << i'd be curious to read what a hypothetical 'nonparticipation' would look like -- carmack no-shows, judge awards default? carmack burns own factory, a la 1918 ? or which. 1611201;1486149650;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 01:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1611044 << simply participating in the us masquerade of justice by this point is tantamount to "asking for it". 1611202;1486149762;asciilifeform;as for the trial, the description reads quite like every other 'seekrit evidence' affair. 1611203;1486149790;asciilifeform;with bonus dose of 'ooh we did not find everything we wanted, He Must Have Burned It' 1611204;1486149855;asciilifeform;from my perch, carmack is an esr -- he was enriched in fiatola by praying to 'intellectual property' molloch, and now what molloch gave, he taketh away. 1611205;1486150133;ben_vulpes;trial is marvelous expansion of moloch's reach 1611206;1486150151;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: carmack had to show up, new employer was on trial. 1611207;1486150163;ben_vulpes;nonparticipation is "all our assets are in btc, get fucked" 1611208;1486150182;ben_vulpes;obviously not a possible route for zuckerberg. 1611209;1486151026;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: carmack is not unlike kamenev and zinoviev -- a creature of the system that in the end devoured him 1611210;1486151294;ben_vulpes;id software, a tentacle? 1611211;1486151305;ben_vulpes;at this point the obvious rejoinder is "if not in wot -- tentacle" 1611212;1486151322;asciilifeform;the ~pile of usd~ is a tentacle 1611213;1486151341;asciilifeform;the intentions of the folx sitting on top of said pile -- distant, secondary thing 1611214;1486151400;ben_vulpes;by virtue of it being fiatola, the possessor is a tentacle? 1611215;1486151451;asciilifeform;a fat balance in an 'international komyoonity'-compliant fiatola bank is quite like, e.g., fleet of winblows boxen, or iPnojes, etc. -- a golemtronic appendage of usg, rather than instrument of the supposed owner 1611216;1486151514;asciilifeform;the latter plays the part of a draft horse -- housed and fed while he continues to do as he is told, otherwise, whipped, and if incorrigible, sent to butcher 1611217;1486151556;asciilifeform;(or, in some cases, a pig -- raised for the table to begin with. i do not know enough re carmack to say which type of farm animal he was groomed as) 1611218;1486151765;thestringpuller;or maybe carmack is man who couldn't control own monster he created and killed him 1611219;1486151779;thestringpuller;quite common for gamedevs. 1611220;1486151780;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: elaborate ? 1611221;1486151952;thestringpuller;when ID came under control of ZeniMax to begin with... 1611222;1486151965;thestringpuller;Carmack lost control of the machine and it ate him. 1611223;1486152152;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: carmack & co sold the firm, neh 1611224;1486152169;asciilifeform;for, as always happens, pixie-gold. 1611225;1486152226;asciilifeform;with it, as also often happens, he sold his arse. 1611226;1486152234;asciilifeform;now -- it was claimed by the purchaser. 1611227;1486152653;ben_vulpes;always a shame to see people trading unhedged. 1611228;1486152693;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how would you have behaved in carmack's position? 1611229;1486152739;asciilifeform;( and since mircea_popescu is asleep, i will quote my robopopescu, 'carmack should not have been in this position to begin with, should have been making rockets for hezbolla, instead of 3d goggles' ) 1611230;1486152806;ben_vulpes;i'm not the kind of guy who "just wants to keep making video games", so i'd never have stuck around in the first place. 1611231;1486152860;ben_vulpes;it's not "fuck you money" if you can't actually say "fuck you". 1611232;1486152873;ben_vulpes;(bought moar btc obviously) 1611233;1486153146;ben_vulpes;even if carmack is still extracting the remainder of his golden handcuffs at facebook, does the penalty impact him terrifically, beyond the decline in asset value of fb stock? 1611234;1486153212;asciilifeform;i've nfi. but would be surprised if he is not 'made example' of, to remind other carmacks that anal virginity can be sold ~once~ 1611235;1486153271;ben_vulpes;what is anal virginity, rights to code produced by a carmack? 1611236;1486153369;asciilifeform;aha. sorta like the racker pg et al run. 1611237;1486153373;asciilifeform;*racket 1611238;1486153825;ben_vulpes;'like' how? isn't the yc racket a straightforward "give us a large fraction of your eyeballcorp for a pittance and some quite likely useless advice"? 1611239;1486153854;ben_vulpes;or did i miss out on yc making bank from all of the devs the rights to whose work they now own a fractional slice of 1611240;1486154006;asciilifeform;exactly same. carmack et al sold id co. for $bagoffiatola. which they, quite likely, delusionally thought to be capable of buying such a thing as a defense against the new owner in case of arse claim. 1611241;1486154502;ben_vulpes;huh turns out the individuals are on the hook for damages, i missed that on the first pass. 1611242;1486155474;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611199 <<< tis mine mod6, but that's a good idea. I haven't changed much of the historical gribble functionalities. 1611243;1486155474;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 19:08 mod6: <+jhvh1> shinohai: Time since last block: 1 minute and 47 seconds << I'm not sure who is the admin for this one off hand, but is there any opposition to adding the current block height on there along with the time? 1611244;1486155895;shinohai;"We have prepared $100 million USD to kill the small fork of CoreCoin, no matter what POW algorithm, sha256 or scrypt or X11 or any other GPU algorithm. Show me your money" http://archive.is/gHLrS 1611245;1486155919;shinohai;Someone wants to be mircea_popescu 1611246;1486156131;mod6;shinohai: ah, cool! yeah, no worries or anything. just was a thought. 1611247;1486157621;asciilifeform;'In any event, there would be no incentive to attack rather than earn the reward, but for a PoW fork of bitcoin, miners, who have invested hundreds of millions, if not more, in their hardware, would have a clear incentive to make the forkcoin inoperational.' << how does this work? 1611248;1486157661;asciilifeform;even a trivial pow fork -- bricks old miner 1611249;1486157712;asciilifeform;(it can die at the hands of new miners, from disuse, from boredom -- but in no way from the efforts of traditional asic operators) 1611250;1486157887;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1368118.msg17724407#msg17724407 <<< In which covertress decides "crypto" is no longer her thing. 1611251;1486157922;asciilifeform;' 1611252;1486157925;asciilifeform;While Krypton-Dev and I disagree on fundamental ideologies (Me: “America First”, He: “I trust China more than the US.”) I understand that they are paying him well and I wish him the best of luck.' << lel! 1611253;1486157963;shinohai;You're gonna need it. 1611254;1486158034;asciilifeform;snore, escapeed from 2011 tardstalk 1611255;1486158037;asciilifeform;*escapees 1611256;1486158399;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/tor-based-hosting-service-hacked/ << Qntra - Tor Based Hosting Service Hacked 1611257;1486159010;shinohai;https://twitter.com/konklone/status/824312675312271363 "It's done! https://www.senate.gov is now fully migrated to HTTPS!" 1611258;1486160016;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other monkeystans, http://archive.is/VKTgR 1611259;1486160034;asciilifeform;'Swedish Deputy Prime Minister and Climate Minister Isabella Lövin appeared to mock the Trump administration with a photo of herself surrounded by women as she signs a climate law.' 1611260;1486160677;asciilifeform;shinohai: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00023 << lulzy 1611261;1486160699;*;shinohai looks 1611262;1486160736;shinohai;"To create a point of order against legislation that makes women sick again." 1611263;1486160739;shinohai;kek 1611264;1486160767;asciilifeform;there's a bunch moar 'sick agains' in the docket 1611265;1486160769;asciilifeform;trololol 1611266;1486160930;shinohai;Someone hacked https://antifascism.org/ lmao 1611267;1486161180;shinohai;" 1611268;1486161182;shinohai;We are currently working with law enforcement on our website. The violent hate-filled people who did this will be brought to justice." 1611269;1486161871;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/eSHV2 << other judges join zergattack 1611270;1486161970;ben_vulpes;"It's obvious that this put hundreds of thousands of people into a state of great discomfort," << discomfort lol 1611271;1486166063;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu you were right: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15939 << gcc is profoundly retarded 1611272;1486166063;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1611273;1486168075;asciilifeform;in other perversities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGbdZUCl9CA 1611274;1486173845;mircea_popescu;sooo apparently freenode is under standing orders to disconnect this box 1611275;1486173920;ben_vulpes;TIGHT 1611276;1486173931;ben_vulpes;the subterfuge grows ever more obvious 1611277;1486173940;mircea_popescu;these dorks are barely qualified to partiicpate in highschool./ 1611278;1486173961;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: kicked by nick? ip? other fingerprinting? 1611279;1486173968;mircea_popescu;"lagged out". 1611280;1486173973;mircea_popescu;because totally, that's how the internet works. 1611281;1486174011;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i guess i should be impressed or something ? in any case i aren't ; grow a pair, come be slaughtered like pigs already wtf. 1611282;1486174083;ben_vulpes;message displayed in chan is "ping timeout: 260 seconds" 1611283;1486174104;ben_vulpes;i don't really want to know any more about the irc protocol than i already do 1611284;1486174107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same fleanodetron each time? or different boxen 1611285;1486174126;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: protocol fits on a playing card 1611286;1486174147;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "commands" as well? 1611287;1486174160;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you dun 'pong' within few seconds of being 'pinged', drops 1611288;1486174200;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform using the same verne yes. 1611289;1486174217;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the box pings alright. but hey, "can't hear lalala". 1611290;1486174220;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: also subject to all classical tcp abuses (enemy can close connection for you without breaking a sweat or any cooperation from counterparty) 1611291;1486174245;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cooperation from counterparty is certainly giving out ips. 1611292;1486174265;asciilifeform;helps, but not required. 1611293;1486174310;mircea_popescu;in this case it is, yea. 1611294;1486174355;asciilifeform;a tap on any of a dozen boxes (e.g., archive.is) will reveal ip used by any of the folx here on a particular day. 1611295;1486174364;mircea_popescu;i do not use this box for any other prupose. 1611296;1486174369;mircea_popescu;so yes, the tap went to fleanode. 1611297;1486174390;mircea_popescu;hey, "law abiding" right ? all it takes for the empire of rogues to exist is a bunch of law abiding dorks. 1611298;1486174448;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, there's apparently a city in pennsylvania called "california", which has a university, which is called... california university. in pennsylvania. 1611299;1486174471;mircea_popescu;i imagine they have a dentist specializing in bucktooth palleatives with a fabulous practice 1611300;1486174530;*;hanbot goes to said uni's site, sees "vulcan information portal", leaves 1611301;1486174541;shinohai;lmao 1611302;1486174545;asciilifeform;waiwut 1611303;1486174550;mircea_popescu;wait, the aircraft cannon ? 1611304;1486174583;shinohai;This made my day: "Thanks, @SatoshiShinohai, my feed is now Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Trump, Bitcoin, Trump, pussy" 1611305;1486174603;mircea_popescu;ask him if bitcoin trumps pussy 1611306;1486174648;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170203/#161 << carmack moves out of the us, spends the rest of his days mailbombing us military bases. 1611307;1486174649;scriba;Logged on 2017-02-03: [19:20:50] http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611054 << i'd be curious to read what a hypothetical 'nonparticipation' would look like -- carmack no-shows, judge awards default? carmack burns own factory, a la 1918 ? or which. 1611308;1486174733;mircea_popescu;but yes, very much "creature of system". what's usg oligarch to do ? not like he has any value to anyone else. 1611309;1486174848;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170203/#196 << people who live in prison are stuck learning prison conceptual universe. plox do, how's one to explain. 1611310;1486174849;scriba;Logged on 2017-02-03: [20:21:11] what is anal virginity, rights to code produced by a carmack? 1611311;1486174876;mircea_popescu;it certainly follows that if my pet takes a liking to someone else i'll shoot it, wtf is it my pet for ? there's no pet divorce. 1611312;1486175043;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170203/#206 << yeah, someone and his cat apparently. 1611313;1486175044;scriba;Logged on 2017-02-03: [21:05:19] Someone wants to be mircea_popescu 1611314;1486175087;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is "btc.top" mining pool ? did they put the toomim brothers back in the vat, took them out as green lantern or something ? 1611315;1486175136;mircea_popescu;"Zhuoer, who speaks in broken English, therefore his quotes have only cosmetically been modified to make them grammatically sound, tells CCN that he learned" << epic ethic flavour! minorities know best! 1611316;1486175137;shinohai;Suddenly all these new Chinese mining pools coming the fuck outta nowhere. 1611317;1486175153;mircea_popescu;is chinese better than romanian in terms of symbological ethnicality though ? I GUESS TIME WILL TELL! 1611318;1486175175;shinohai;Since I came to #trilema, I trust few people who can't speak more than one language. 1611319;1486175210;mircea_popescu;monolinguals make great draft horses and naught much else. 1611320;1486175487;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170203/#220 << pussy offering itself up for grabs, eh ? and then we're supposed to buy into this whole "i'm totally angry" narrative ? aww. 1611321;1486175487;scriba;Logged on 2017-02-03: [22:13:54] 'Swedish Deputy Prime Minister and Climate Minister Isabella Lövin appeared to mock the Trump administration with a photo of herself surrounded by women as she signs a climate law.' 1611322;1486175675;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-15#505078 1611323;1486175675;a111;Logged on 2014-02-15 19:34 asciilifeform: i can make 1TH look like 1,000 1GH lamers. and so can you, and so can any spammer. 1611324;1486175837;shinohai;Recall the `Classic` team did this already. 1611325;1486175858;mircea_popescu;!~google arnaud charlet 1611326;1486175859;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: dblp: Arnaud Charlet: ; Arnaud Charlet | LinkedIn: ; Arnaud Charlet | Facebook: 1611327;1486175878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the main problem with the world in general is this cloud of university plankton. 1611328;1486175898;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why they're permitted to still exist. 1611329;1486175902;asciilifeform;ikr? 1611330;1486175917;mircea_popescu;i guess as per your "i can trivially pretend to have a 1TH man through employing 1k 1GH chickens" but still. 1611331;1486175962;asciilifeform;unlike these chickens, hash splits nicely, and still pulls, like the housecats pulled freya's chariot 1611332;1486175965;mircea_popescu;here's the scoop : if you're a nobody-professor-of-something-or-the-other you aren't above the average barrista. there is legitimate need for many many girls working the bar, working the pole, working the spotlight, working the suckers, working the cock etc. 1611333;1486175977;mircea_popescu;there is NO need of twenty "professors of philosophy". 1611334;1486175986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1611335;1486175997;mircea_popescu;meanwhile all the panglossen are entirely wasting the baron's cheese. 1611336;1486175998;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: scarcely ever are these d00dz professor of anything 1611337;1486176006;asciilifeform;typically -- academipeon 1611338;1486176073;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/c/Charlet:Arnaud << random nobody, did a coupla of papers in a decade, moved on to gay for pay or w/e it is they do to support themselves in europe these days. 1611339;1486176143;asciilifeform;this dun look like a papermonkey, but moar like industrial grunt ordered to write paper once a decade by pointyhair boss 1611340;1486176171;asciilifeform;monkey churns out one per ~week, typically. 1611341;1486176207;mircea_popescu;Project Management Officer at EDF Région de Marseille, France Ingénierie mécanique ou industrielle 1611342;1486176207;mircea_popescu;Précédent EDF, The University of British Columbia Enseignement 1611343;1486176214;mircea_popescu;seems EXACTLY uniplankton to me. 1611344;1486176239;mircea_popescu;and no, there IS NO fucking reason british columbia should even have a refurbished adult theatre which it pompously if pointlessly calls "university" 1611345;1486176275;shinohai;What a waste of a perfectly good Adult theatre 1611346;1486176279;asciilifeform;iirc pete_dushenski went there? 1611347;1486176287;mircea_popescu;it is not physically possible for the barren fucking wastes to have such a thing as a university much like it's not possible for a two inch songbird to have "an erect penis" 1611348;1486176655;mircea_popescu;shinohai 84f71d7bcf48a9ba5602ff7292237e8c3a07a9c7711837645764ba1773ae8854 1611349;1486177745;ben_vulpes;in turing test inversions: https://medium.com/@NoraReed/the-saga-of-christianmom18-8ac09ceab9c6#.tr0yew72q 1611350;1486177987;ben_vulpes;ohai danielpbarron 1611351;1486186756;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ECBB6111493729DCFD7B6FFA9B40187EE35F8FC369C709D2C08DA6D91619CBC1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1616...9609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.211.199 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.211.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (k01.banan.cz. CZ) 1611352;1486186756;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ECBB6111493729DCFD7B6FFA9B40187EE35F8FC369C709D2C08DA6D91619CBC1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...7499 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.211.199 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.211.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (k01.banan.cz. CZ) 1611353;1486195608;phf;so i was inspired by tmsr in 2014 to send out my gpg pubkey to a bunch of services that i use. most places simply ignored it, but today it paid off with the epic uptime machine. all i had to do was to point at an old email, pubkey in /root/ and send a signed request for a ssh pubkey replacement to recover a machine in barely amount of time it took to send three emails 1611354;1486196479;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/04/chacun-de-nous-contient-le-chene-republique/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Chacun de nous contient le chêne République 1611355;1486197328;phf;on the other hand, things that suck. mbp trackpads don't work for shit anywhere outside of san francisco ACed offices 1611356;1486197408;phf;in a mildly humid climate, outside, but under a fan, my cursor starts jumping all over the place, doing left and right clicks at will. wtf. 1611357;1486197864;phf;in yet other tmsr vs rest of world. things that i built with the correct mindset work perfectly on a dodgy cell connection in the middle of nowhere. not so much VC produced monstrosities. so much for "bitcoin in africa" 1611358;1486198724;phf;fwiw, i also opted out of a travel gpg key, because i realized my infrastructure is not sufficiently developed to support that mode. i have a hopefully reasonable alternative that i'm relying on, but rather not explain till i come back 1611359;1486210965;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3yko6KUYAAb5x7.jpg 1611360;1486210965;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1611361;1486213120;shinohai;!~later tell jurov Plox to ping me when online, re: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-04#1611348 1611362;1486213120;a111;Logged on 2017-02-04 02:50 mircea_popescu: shinohai 84f71d7bcf48a9ba5602ff7292237e8c3a07a9c7711837645764ba1773ae8854 1611363;1486213120;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1611364;1486214697;jurov;shinohai: re what? 1611365;1486214891;shinohai;I was trying to figure out which address I put in on coinbr. The tx id mircea_popescu gave me isn't an address I control 1611366;1486214943;jurov;the address to reset account? 1611367;1486215001;shinohai;nah the withdraw address. I had 14iD6wJY4DFaaDnEkcjd66JWe3dabU2Fv7 1611368;1486215016;shinohai;(Because I always use new addy) 1611369;1486215063;jurov;ie. you forgot the address for your most recent withdrawal? 1611370;1486215103;jurov;that one is 14iD6wJY4DFaaDnEkcjd66JWe3dabU2Fv7, yes (not done the withdrawal yet) 1611371;1486215136;shinohai;Ah gotcha .... my mistake then. 1611372;1486215181;shinohai;I'm in no particular rush, just wondering why he gave me that tx id 1611373;1486215243;jurov;because i'm not doing small withdrawals directly from mpex? 1611374;1486215491;shinohai;In happier thoughts: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3z97iFWcAAFTj-.jpg 1611375;1486222672;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6EERQ/?raw=true <<< Saturday Shitcoin roundup xtended 1611376;1486222672;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1611377;1486224892;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-04#1611355 << dun think i've ever ~used~ that trackpad, outside of crowded trains 1611378;1486224892;a111;Logged on 2017-02-04 08:35 phf: on the other hand, things that suck. mbp trackpads don't work for shit anywhere outside of san francisco ACed offices 1611379;1486224911;asciilifeform;if you have a mouse surface -- why would you 1611380;1486225908;shinohai;Gavin is smoking some serious shit lately: http://archive.is/mHYZh 1611381;1486227777;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/shinohais-saturday-shitcoin-roundup-100-million-us-dollars-and-more/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Saturday Shitcoin Roundup: "100 Million US dollars" And More! 1611382;1486228302;BingoBoingo;shinohai has been very writing lately 1611383;1486228323;shinohai;!~ty BingoBoingo 1611384;1486228323;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy 1611385;1486228338;shinohai;Last month was a sparse month with move and all 1611386;1486230272;asciilifeform;in very other vintage lulz, 'As Technical Lead on a Air Force major command and control system, our initial implementation used textual representations for all the messaging between the distributed workstations and the central server. This got us a working product much faster than dealing with binary representations since the workstation and the central server hardware were so contrary to each other...' 1611387;1486230279;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/PY6Ch#selection-835.0-845.49 ) 1611388;1486234895;Framedragger;(`!$ssh` won't work for a bit, database server which scriba connects to needs to be reinstalled from the ground up) 1611389;1486234952;trinque;oh boy 1611390;1486234955;trinque;Framedragger: what happened there? 1611391;1486234962;Framedragger;:) 1611392;1486234972;Framedragger;good news, zero data loss 1611393;1486234983;Framedragger;bad news, i overestimated my grub skillz. 1611394;1486234986;Framedragger;remote server. 1611395;1486234995;trinque;lel! I have known this pain 1611396;1486235009;Framedragger;may be possible to do things without full reinstall - will see. good news, not many things run there, not too much work. 1611397;1486238280;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/obamacare-enrollment-dropped-by-400000-with-hussein-bahamas-on-the-way-out/ << Qntra - Obamacare Enrollment Dropped By ~400,000 With Hussein Bahamas On The Way Out 1611398;1486244972;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/death-cult-propagates-among-some-chinese-miners/ << Qntra - Death Cult Propagates Among Some Chinese Miners 1611399;1486245744;Framedragger;(mk it's back) 1611400;1486246014;shinohai;I see what you did there. 1611401;1486249719;BingoBoingo;!!up mthreat 1611402;1486249722;deedbot;mthreat voiced for 30 minutes. 1611403;1486249754;mthreat;The similarity is striking between these two: 1611404;1486249755;mthreat;http://qntra.net/bundles/ambdown.jpg 1611405;1486249758;mthreat;http://www.independent.ie/migration_catalog/Non-Staff/article25202482.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/359557.jpg 1611406;1486249773;mthreat;what's up guys 1611407;1486249805;shinohai;hiya mthreat 1611408;1486249813;mthreat;hola 1611409;1486249813;BingoBoingo;lol, welcome back mthreat 1611410;1486249824;BingoBoingo;Oh, just the usual 1611411;1486249976;BingoBoingo;!!up Ubicq 1611412;1486249987;BingoBoingo;Ubicq: Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1611413;1486250016;deedbot;Ubicq voiced for 30 minutes. 1611414;1486250139;shinohai;Evidently not teaching his son how to communicate effectively. 1611415;1486250209;Ubicq;my daddy's unknown 1611416;1486250232;shinohai;SFYL 1611417;1486250363;Ubicq;is unknown for the world, not for me :) 1611418;1486250712;shinohai;Well Ubicq missed out on https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3xx56oXUAAH2Jp.jpg 1611419;1486250767;jurov;i'd say too 'shopped 1611420;1486250828;shinohai;These days I'm happy to look at any pic that doesn't have a goddamned snapchat filter on it. 1611421;1486252531;BingoBoingo;Snapchat filter == Hamplanet 1611422;1486252560;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/6M9Hg << Ministering to the poor 1611423;1486253584;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-climbs-7-43-in-latest-adjustment-yet-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Climbs ~7.43% In Latest Adjustment – Yet Another All Time High 1611424;1486254009;BingoBoingo;lel "A rabbit on a rebel flag? Horrible english? What the hell is this shit? oh god an MPex listing... this blog reads like the bitcoin equivalent of zerohedge" 1611425;1486256178;BingoBoingo;!up jabbadabba 1611426;1486256190;BingoBoingo;jabbadabba: Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1611427;1486256892;shinohai;Horrible English? lel 1611428;1486266729;BingoBoingo;!!up rg 1611429;1486266729;deedbot;rg voiced for 30 minutes. 1611430;1486266739;rg;mircea? 1611431;1486266782;rg;i want to ask mircea if he knows any skilled c++ coers that nened work 1611432;1486266830;BingoBoingo;Seems to be having some irl time. Perhaps if you leave gifts of tits and ass he will appear? 1611433;1486266851;rg;I see 1611434;1486266858;rg;well the offer stands for anyone else.. 1611435;1486266863;rg;if you are or know a c++ coder 1611436;1486266873;rg;looking for a few months work, lot more if you work out 1611437;1486266882;shinohai;See the log first, I left an offering earlier but jurov informed me it was unacceptable 1611438;1486266911;rg;I can leave tits and ass... 1611439;1486266920;rg;unfortunately it will be mine 1611440;1486266960;ben_vulpes;rg: payscale? 1611441;1486266978;rg;ben: open to discussion, tbh 1611442;1486266986;rg;but its a proper full time job 1611443;1486266991;rg;hours are negotiable 1611444;1486266994;rg;aslong as it get worked 1611445;1486266996;rg;obvi wfh 1611446;1486267026;BingoBoingo;lol https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2017-February/004645.html 1611447;1486267029;ben_vulpes;!~later tell mircea_popescu dig: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-2-4#b59ffe9d-a931-4449-a6e4-d7203b7fc059 1611448;1486267029;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded. 1611449;1486267047;rg;ben: paid in btc 1611450;1486267051;rg;if thats ok 1611451;1486267065;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: that's what 'boldmug' calls the 'hilarious lie that there is a nice left and a nasty left' 1611452;1486267069;rg;knowledge of crypto currency/coins preferable 1611453;1486267102;shinohai;"Sent from my Nexus 6" 1611454;1486267152;ben_vulpes;rg: /query 1611455;1486267156;ben_vulpes;herpadoo 1611456;1486267171;BingoBoingo;herpadoe! 1611457;1486267262;ben_vulpes;trinque: consider reputation returns link to wot entry? 1611458;1486267631;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/hornpipe/ 1611459;1486267839;*;shinohai smiles seeing oglafbot in the logs again ..... 1611460;1486268334;trinque;ben_vulpes: was somebody using the sexp? I can't remember now. 1611461;1486268353;trinque;but yeah, I can see that being more useful 1611462;1486269301;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1611463;1486269309;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1025.4, vol: 5471.94998769 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1002.499, vol: 4378.58994 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1026.1, vol: 15378.0463867 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1054.870544, vol: 12071.91740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1026.81, vol: 1335.55888933 | Volume-weighted last average: 1032.34013927 1611464;1486270005;asciilifeform;rg: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611436 << doing what ? 1611465;1486270005;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 03:54 rg: looking for a few months work, lot more if you work out 1611466;1486270868;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/649DA3998559D3E15E437D8E755AC564BB887CA9BE4D047E644496248B81DF1D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1477...4839 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.130.92.171 (ssh-rsa key from 195.130.92.171 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (imldap.teikav.edu.gr. GR A 55) 1611467;1486270868;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/649DA3998559D3E15E437D8E755AC564BB887CA9BE4D047E644496248B81DF1D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1604...6149 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.130.92.171 (ssh-rsa key from 195.130.92.171 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (imldap.teikav.edu.gr. GR A 55) 1611468;1486271934;phf;i don't grok job offers that specify language, but not task. "my employer is looking for a couple of pistoleros" 1611469;1486272036;asciilifeform;phf: i tried to get the d00d to cough up the truth re 'what task' 1611470;1486272057;ben_vulpes;trinque: i don't think that anyone's using the sexp 1611471;1486272058;asciilifeform;phf: apparently concerns some shitcoin or other. 1611472;1486272096;asciilifeform;snore. 1611473;1486272144;ben_vulpes;phf, asciilifeform: pretty standard recruiting tactic, appeal to identity. "i am a python/rails dev". 1611474;1486272155;phf;traditionally cloak and dagger indicates incompetence. even alphabet gives you ~some~ details, before you commit to "full time contribution" 1611475;1486272200;asciilifeform;phf: actually nsa just gives 'c++ dev' etc 1611476;1486272212;asciilifeform;so in that respect -- similar! 1611477;1486272249;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: appeal to poverty 1611478;1486272284;ben_vulpes;i cannot fathom what is going on in the mind of somoene who is a "dev" 1611479;1486272320;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: same thing as 100yrs ago, 'i'm a brake man' 1611480;1486272338;asciilifeform;'i'm a stoker' 1611481;1486272338;ben_vulpes;hm, i suppose 1611482;1486272375;ben_vulpes;i've never seen eg shop staff who were so narrow minded as some software folks. 1611483;1486272417;asciilifeform;turns out, repetitive motions of the mind, cripple moar so than same, of the body 1611484;1486272426;asciilifeform;whod'vethunkit, 1611485;1486272430;asciilifeform;. 1611486;1486272669;ben_vulpes;even 'operator' is short for 'respected gentleman who understands how to work all of the machines in our shop, produce all of our parts, be trusted with plans and some degree of autonomy in problem-solving on the fly" 1611487;1486272980;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611188 << that's an epic thread 1611488;1486272980;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 17:51 asciilifeform: in quite other noose, moldy returneth! e.g., http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3167#comment-1731729 1611489;1486273003;ben_vulpes;i am *still* working through it lol 1611490;1486273045;asciilifeform;phf, ben_vulpes : largely for the astonishing array of pathologies on display ! 1611491;1486273098;asciilifeform;(e.g., aaronson eventually straight up admits, 'your sane world would have no room for me and mine, go fuckyourself' approx.) 1611492;1486273242;phf;"i like things they way they are" 1611493;1486273460;asciilifeform;'i like getting megabux to fantasize about quantum comp' 1611494;1486274059;phf;i think of him as one of the archbishops of scientism, enough legitimate research to lend credibility to things like https://arxiv.org/abs/1108.1791v3 1611495;1486296484;shinohai;https://bitbet.us/bet/1353/bitcoin-unlimit/ 1611496;1486301896;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B2963CFFF83B8EBDB91A8DC0FC1ADE3B2B133557201C99B449DA2211EE92FBA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...4637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.107.236.99 (ssh-rsa key from 193.107.236.99 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (u5631.netangels.ru. RU) 1611497;1486301896;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B2963CFFF83B8EBDB91A8DC0FC1ADE3B2B133557201C99B449DA2211EE92FBA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1363...6219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.107.236.99 (ssh-rsa key from 193.107.236.99 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (u5631.netangels.ru. RU) 1611498;1486304284;mircea_popescu;dude check it out, new ip, 200ms lag. SAME FUCKING DC. 1611499;1486304288;mircea_popescu;will wonders never cease. 1611500;1486304305;BingoBoingo;Oh my! 1611501;1486304325;mircea_popescu;the old one, STILL 10000ms + 1611502;1486304335;mircea_popescu;this happens irl. 1611503;1486304378;shinohai;wb y buenas dias 1611504;1486304388;mircea_popescu;o did you figure out the mystery meanwhile shinohai ? 1611505;1486304440;mircea_popescu;but yes, good thing mp doesn't have derpy kids for "partners" in actual business, or else he'd be stuck against the wall over you know, overbuying not needed ips and other gestures of rank and explosive megalomania endangering the welfare of the shareholders. 1611506;1486304441;shinohai;Yup all good. 1611507;1486304455;mircea_popescu;sorry about that, was going to say something but then with this bullshit. 1611508;1486304501;shinohai;No big deal, I was just afraid I accidentally put in wrong addy. 1611509;1486304514;*;mircea_popescu just used Framedragger 's logger on other machine to get the link ben_vulpes sent him to his own log via shinohai 's bot. 1611510;1486304520;mircea_popescu;i would say things are progressing nicely. 1611511;1486304547;shinohai;Building Republican dns one piece at a time. 1611512;1486304562;mircea_popescu;ahahaha check out danielpbarron lisping on the lispslut! 1611513;1486304589;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes add the ho to #eulora while at it ? 1611514;1486304625;shinohai;I second that, when I finally get jurov's scheme to work on my client it may prove useful. 1611515;1486304635;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2016/09/classiccoin-supplanted-by-unlimitedspamcoin-as-social-engineers-forking-brand/#comment-86144 1611516;1486304663;mircea_popescu;shinohai since the bot repls, you don't depend on running it locally. 1611517;1486304679;shinohai;lmao "Rice niggers" 1611518;1486304745;mircea_popescu;kinda a half-step against the idiocy of iron today, build remote services. of course this also has the drawback that it may encourage a very retarded view where every lord vies for pushing his own walled garden above the others, but i'm hoping thinking people can innoculate themselves against that idiocy for long enough 1611519;1486304820;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-04#1611353 << sounds like this ip should be advertised, i wouldn't mind getting a box or two there. epic uptime + gpg awareness = win 1611520;1486304820;a111;Logged on 2017-02-04 08:06 phf: so i was inspired by tmsr in 2014 to send out my gpg pubkey to a bunch of services that i use. most places simply ignored it, but today it paid off with the epic uptime machine. all i had to do was to point at an old email, pubkey in /root/ and send a signed request for a ssh pubkey replacement to recover a machine in barely amount of time it took to send three emails 1611521;1486304914;mircea_popescu;and check out phf becoming a study in republican performance. "participation forces you to think about things completely, which results in either a decision you're not ready yet or else a sane implementation, both of which are perfect responses in and of themselves." 1611522;1486304983;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i lolled at the "death cult", but i lolled more at the observation that the ~only article of interest to the "our community" anon commenter is... something about obscure shitcoins. that... that touches close to home. 1611523;1486305574;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-04#1611379 << cuz he's inhabituated from all his heretic days spent with the laptop and goatee like a good 20yo programmer ? 1611524;1486305574;a111;Logged on 2017-02-04 16:15 asciilifeform: if you have a mouse surface -- why would you 1611525;1486305737;mircea_popescu;o look, it's mthreat ! 1611526;1486305817;mircea_popescu;but no, the turk has less swing to his swing. that travolta dood IS BENT 1611527;1486305862;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thank you. I figured "our community" needed some venom. It's been a while. 1611528;1486305877;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-04#1611418 << those are nice shoes btw. 1611529;1486305877;a111;Logged on 2017-02-04 23:25 shinohai: Well Ubicq missed out on https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3xx56oXUAAH2Jp.jpg 1611530;1486305967;shinohai;I'd certainly drink champagne out of them. 1611531;1486306005;mircea_popescu;that's more for the toe cut thing (which at the time was new, and people discovered toe is fabulous!) 1611532;1486306072;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611424 << is this supposed to be some sort of putdown ? 1611533;1486306072;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 00:20 BingoBoingo: lel "A rabbit on a rebel flag? Horrible english? What the hell is this shit? oh god an MPex listing... this blog reads like the bitcoin equivalent of zerohedge" 1611534;1486306108;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently, was found in the wild 1611535;1486306118;BingoBoingo;Or sarcasm 1611536;1486306168;mircea_popescu;i think by now the rootless youth (tm), well advanced post-irony as well as well disenfranchised by "putin's electoral college" don't necessarily mean anything in any particular direction. 1611537;1486306179;mircea_popescu;sorta like a major victory for advertisments as cultural products. 1611538;1486306214;BingoBoingo;Snapshot of that latest feedplot https://archive.is/X2yTW 1611539;1486306326;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude these idiots, sitting on a mailing list discussing what "naming should be seen to stand for" ? wtf, are they going to fork the dictionary ? 1611540;1486306381;BingoBoingo;Wouldn't be the first time that got forked 1611541;1486306530;mircea_popescu;ok the professional ship suppliers oglaf is great. 1611542;1486306539;BingoBoingo;brb 1611543;1486306669;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611468 << because task is secret because eyeballcorp revolutionizing involved, i generally assume. 1611544;1486306669;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 05:18 phf: i don't grok job offers that specify language, but not task. "my employer is looking for a couple of pistoleros" 1611545;1486306701;mircea_popescu;either that or legacy hairball maintenance. but since this isn't some telco "hiring"... 1611546;1486307537;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611486 << in italian it's the name for the lowest of the low, opperaio. then again the italians had factories the longest, so it had time to find its proper level. 1611547;1486307537;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 05:31 ben_vulpes: even 'operator' is short for 'respected gentleman who understands how to work all of the machines in our shop, produce all of our parts, be trusted with plans and some degree of autonomy in problem-solving on the fly" 1611548;1486307596;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611489 << dudes... i sorta half read the linked ocmment, didn't interest... 1611549;1486307596;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 05:36 ben_vulpes: i am *still* working through it lol 1611550;1486307614;*;mircea_popescu is thankful for people summoning the curiosity where his fails ; plox take pity on old man bring tidbits. 1611551;1486308833;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-2-4#449b44ba-038a-4615-aa58-408f46c356b3 << tbh i was waiting for the moment when the graph people are going to show up trying their craft at eulora, to meet a very http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/ fate. 1611552;1486312476;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: iirc pete_dushenski went there? << close-ish. or at least as close as guessing that johnny went to temple when in fact he went to u maryland. fwiw ubc has been the primary north american home of chinese merit washing and mainland offshoring for the better part of two decades now, much to the chagrin of the locals, eg. http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Ed-Kim-Instatool1.jpg 1611553;1486312770;mircea_popescu;yeah they keep getting top 50 ratings by some shanghai thingee. 1611554;1486312911;pete_dushenski;mostly because direct flights from van back to mainland. try that from your swiss polytechnic. 1611555;1486312980;pete_dushenski;in other direct misses, http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2477960/hacker-gets-doom-running-on-the-apple-macbook-pro-touch-bar 1611556;1486313207;pete_dushenski;!~later tell danielpbarron: very spiffy use of candi_lustt! impressive stuff. 1611557;1486313207;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded. 1611558;1486313325;pete_dushenski;my own recent efforts at coding are going less productively. trying to implement polarbeard's 'getpeerinfo' patch and can't even get trb to show the option on the help menu nevermind implement the functionality 1611559;1486313357;pete_dushenski;though i did have the pleasure of using vdiff for the first time. very neat tool, that. 10/10 would use again. 1611560;1486313545;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski mentally you should budget about a year in between the first "hey ima program something" and shit you do finally starting to make sense to others. 1611561;1486313602;pete_dushenski;budgeted. i'm in no rush. it's a satisfying and edifying exercise in its own right. c is new waters. 1611562;1486313619;mircea_popescu;for instance here, wtf do you mean "to show the option" 1611563;1486313641;pete_dushenski;trb has 'help' yes ? 1611564;1486313654;mircea_popescu;oh 1611565;1486313978;pete_dushenski;ya, for reasons still poorly understood by yours truly, adding items to bitcoinrpc.cpp on the call table (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#1846) and (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#1893) doesn't result in those items appearing with the 'help' command. 1611566;1486313993;pete_dushenski;appear* 1611567;1486314073;pete_dushenski;anyways, still early days on the yearlong road. don't mind my flailing. 1611568;1486314200;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i have nfi what code you're working with, but all of those commands have an 'if fhelp' check that renders the help text instead of doing whatever the command asks for 1611569;1486314234;mircea_popescu;^ 1611570;1486314241;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why does bvulpes.com call cdjns.cloudflare.com ? 1611571;1486314277;mircea_popescu;and in the latest news, i just discovered i can't fit even my pinky finger inside girl's nostril. WHY DO THEY MAKE THEM SO TINY!!11!!1 1611572;1486314285;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#0139 1611573;1486314291;mircea_popescu;and relatedly, imagine the small misfortune of being born with fingers and nostril mismatch. 1611574;1486314332;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: cheers. 1611575;1486314336;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what do you mean "call"? 1611576;1486314370;mircea_popescu;i mean that i noticed connection to cloudflare while loading your site 1611577;1486314409;ben_vulpes;if i could back slowly away from the entire internet in horror i would 1611578;1486314436;ben_vulpes;can you paste a traceroute or some such demonstrating? 1611579;1486314440;mircea_popescu;mkay. but more generally - we specifically don't want shitflarew for the logotrons. that's why we have multiple. 1611580;1486314455;ben_vulpes;nono there is no reason you should be seeing cloudflare in between you and bvulpes.com 1611581;1486314464;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes im behind on reports and such, but if you can't replicate it ima add it to the list then 1611582;1486314472;ben_vulpes;there is an a record that points at the ip for that box 1611583;1486314503;ben_vulpes;i was working to minimize dns dependency there. 1611584;1486315303;ben_vulpes;in other minor lols of the great again: http://archive.is/nvFMo 1611585;1486315547;mircea_popescu;1970s chick with hair on perm things, whining from the bathroom "honey, is it great again yet ?" 1611586;1486315974;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611523 << actually goes further back, to neuromancer and such. i always thought that proper equipment for a "cyberjockey" is a portable, self-contained "deck" 1611587;1486315974;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 14:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-04#1611379 << cuz he's inhabituated from all his heretic days spent with the laptop and goatee like a good 20yo programmer ? 1611588;1486316000;mircea_popescu;and similar for what, doctor ? 1611589;1486316022;mircea_popescu;old dr levy shows up with his black suitcase, sorts out the woman's nerves, the baby's colic and the master of the house's tooth ? 1611590;1486316120;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/440AD95236515F0CBAB4B390844FAB8C13698A0F85883446C8E72E6863B6FAE1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1557...9907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.13.175.228 (ssh-rsa key from 217.13.175.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE NI) 1611591;1486316120;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/440AD95236515F0CBAB4B390844FAB8C13698A0F85883446C8E72E6863B6FAE1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1648...5029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.13.175.228 (ssh-rsa key from 217.13.175.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE NI) 1611592;1486316143;phf;right, i think i used to think that grownups had everything that they need to perform whatever function inside their briefcases 1611593;1486316296;mircea_popescu;this is kind-of how genre fiction works, all those transformers and whatnot. 1611594;1486316302;mircea_popescu;it's a pubescent fantasy of identity. 1611595;1486316957;phf;apparently briefcase computer mods are a thing. wouldn't be practical for travel though without some form of ups though 1611596;1486317004;phf;^ http://www.ahinson.com/projects/toetop.htm 1611597;1486317012;mircea_popescu;i have seen the set-up, it's basically a truck with generator mod for engine + spare generator in bed + satellite dish. 1611598;1486317035;mircea_popescu;runs you to the tune of quarter mil or somesuch. at least used to. 1611599;1486317285;phf;meanwhile, using my laptop is like playing battleship. where would the cursor jump&click next? i will have to make a trip to the city tomorrow 1611600;1486317470;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-january-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), January 2017 Statement 1611601;1486319273;ben_vulpes;heh, that'd be the paralytic's truck from /snow crash/ 1611602;1486319337;ben_vulpes;featuring a radar and iirc a teeny helicopter for neutralizing firearm threats 1611603;1486319447;*;asciilifeform catches up on l0gz 1611604;1486319516;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611498 << there are satellites with <200mS link ! 1611605;1486319516;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 14:18 mircea_popescu: dude check it out, new ip, 200ms lag. SAME FUCKING DC. 1611606;1486319549;asciilifeform;consider subscribing, what with having own rooftop and all. 1611607;1486319591;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611495 << betting in btc on the death of bitcoin was and is lulzy 1611608;1486319591;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 12:08 shinohai: https://bitbet.us/bet/1353/bitcoin-unlimit/ 1611609;1486319733;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611543 >> the gory details >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/s6dpg/?raw=true 1611610;1486319733;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 14:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611468 << because task is secret because eyeballcorp revolutionizing involved, i generally assume. 1611611;1486319825;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611580 << i'd be mighty curious to see answer for this riddle 1611612;1486319825;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 17:07 ben_vulpes: nono there is no reason you should be seeing cloudflare in between you and bvulpes.com 1611613;1486319845;asciilifeform;(is this first documented case of forcible shitflarization??) 1611614;1486320017;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-05#1611596 << post-2010 or so 'mini-itx' mobos, and associated ps, etc., make this quite practical without anything like the horror depicted in link ('skinned' ps) 1611615;1486320017;a111;Logged on 2017-02-05 17:50 phf: ^ http://www.ahinson.com/projects/toetop.htm 1611616;1486320073;asciilifeform;my sageprobe setup (amd g-series mobo, probe, cables, lcd, keyboardmouse) fits in briefcase. and with plenty of room to spare (for, e.g., battery if i ever put one) 1611617;1486320373;shinohai;More konsensus lulz from Gavin: http://archive.is/YIiyc 1611618;1486321945;asciilifeform;snore 1611619;1486329984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 200ms doesn't bother me (and it's mostly freenode being its usual bs, otherwise the tracepath to their peer reports 7-8ms etc) 1611620;1486330023;mircea_popescu;point being, there's lag and then there's "lag" and i have nfi what sort of mactard / cloudhead / rubyonkubinetes "developer" one'd have to be to not know the difference. 1611621;1486330264;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like you merited 'budget' model of line bug, then, with mechanical hdd! 1611622;1486330282;mircea_popescu;lel 1611623;1486330307;asciilifeform;either that or packet loop silently through mordor before reaching dest. 1611624;1486330315;asciilifeform;as on old dulap. 1611625;1486330319;mircea_popescu;anyway, my own connectivity dun enter into this. 1611626;1486330334;mircea_popescu;i mean, i was playing eulora all of yest etc. 1611627;1486330606;asciilifeform;i have nfi what'd be the point, even from 'psychiatric' pov, in the head on on the other end. 1611628;1486330738;mircea_popescu;"looking like doing something" ? 1611629;1486330764;mircea_popescu;kids about the same mental age but aged more appropriately in orclands do things like calling up the girl they daren't ask out then hanging up. 1611630;1486332954;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/a-study-in-nature-and-incompetent-twits/ << Trilema - A study in nature and incompetent twits. 1611631;1486335446;BingoBoingo;Other lol http://qntra.net/2017/02/death-cult-propagates-among-some-chinese-miners/#comment-86217 brb 1611632;1486339745;mircea_popescu;speaking of qntras, the tor hacker etc never showed up huh 1611633;1486339882;shinohai;Nah never showed >.> 1611634;1486339936;mircea_popescu;a well. 1611635;1486339945;mircea_popescu;i guess everything's worth trying once. 1611636;1486340002;mircea_popescu;but this is formal notice to all wanna-be "hackers for bitcoin" out there : you want to ask for bitcoin ransoms, make a wot account. there shan't be further exceptions from this rule going forward. 1611637;1486340162;shinohai;Standard MO for Anon derps though .... always want coinz for dumps, with no guarantee it is a legit entity 1611638;1486340171;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1611639;1486340177;mircea_popescu;they'll change. 1611640;1486340234;*;shinohai should tweet that log line to their main "news account" 1611641;1486340243;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1611642;1486343707;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-january-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), January 2017 Statement 1611643;1486344282;shinohai;If I ever make a success in adult services and get listed on mpex, can I have S.EX as my symbol ? 1611644;1486344830;mircea_popescu;i guess so lol 1611645;1486344839;mircea_popescu;you will be the mpex sex symbol 1611646;1486344896;shinohai;:D 1611647;1486345242;mod6;haha 1611648;1486345507;shinohai;http://archive.is/n91fe "Top 5 Bitcoin Kommunities" lmao 1611649;1486345524;shinohai;All 5 blow 1611650;1486345536;mircea_popescu;do they mean like, websites ? 1611651;1486345752;shinohai;This appears to be mostly "Social Media" I guess. I didn't know anyone actually used Google+ 1611652;1486345783;shinohai;Slow news day for J.P. Buttlix I guess 1611653;1486353707;BingoBoingo;In other news: Make Football Great Again!!! Very good game. 1611654;1486353782;ben_vulpes;such game, wow 1611655;1486353828;mircea_popescu;is this good for fiat ? 1611656;1486353882;BingoBoingo;Good for Trump, his first biggest supporter won. 1611657;1486353894;BingoBoingo;Very bullish for wiling and butthurt. 1611658;1486353899;BingoBoingo;*wailing 1611659;1486353906;mircea_popescu;maga! 1611660;1486353919;mircea_popescu;you should see the butthurt around here re trump btw. 1611661;1486353922;BingoBoingo;Make World Great Again!!! 1611662;1486353948;mircea_popescu;for 20 years these idiots were all "omfg, this is country too, with people, why shouldn't rent be same as in florida ? (florida being === the us as far as the latino orcs are concerned) 1611663;1486353956;mircea_popescu;so now i'm like "it's outside the wall. bitch." 1611664;1486353960;mircea_popescu;they... they do not like this. 1611665;1486353977;mircea_popescu;srsly, they're like, not real people, not rly ? this is now fixed in a palpable form ? 1611666;1486353979;*;BingoBoingo has done some trolling irl, pointing out I'd rather have Putin as president. Wish the Russians would have meddled more 1611667;1486353979;mircea_popescu;BUTTHURT! 1611668;1486354079;mircea_popescu;by now he's threatening to defund california. apparently he picked that over the mp wash dc pick. 1611669;1486354109;BingoBoingo;It is so much more the troll now than it would have been when I was drinking, because I say this as now notoriously self aware and even tempered person. 1611670;1486354121;mircea_popescu;hehe 1611671;1486354144;BingoBoingo;Make Sobriety Great Again!!! 1611672;1486354297;BingoBoingo;It's great. Now when I disagree with someone in meatspace they show tremendous concern and caution, because they KNOW I mean what I said. 1611673;1486354324;*;BingoBoingo wishes he would have hit rock bottom sooner. 1611674;1486354698;BingoBoingo;Sample tears from undead Gawker appendage: "Tom Brady Seals Status As Greatest Player Ever As Nation Mourns" 1611675;1486355679;BingoBoingo;Lo https://archive.is/YcU7X 1611676;1486355786;mircea_popescu;who's tom brady ? 1611677;1486355943;BingoBoingo;Trump's biggest fan 1611678;1486355974;BingoBoingo;The guy who won the game and hurt all the butts tonight 1611679;1486356006;BingoBoingo;Or Gisele's husband 1611680;1486356062;mircea_popescu;pretty epic, "this so called judge". 1611681;1486356090;BingoBoingo;indeed 1611682;1486356103;BingoBoingo;You lagged out of some very epic things 1611683;1486356184;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6501 1611684;1486356188;mircea_popescu;anyway, now that they've engaged seems doubtless a showdown between us's own "noblesse du robe" and the "most powerful man on earth" will last the decade. 1611685;1486356258;BingoBoingo;Great time to popcorn 1611686;1486356268;mircea_popescu;“We all get disappointed from time to time,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “I think it is best to avoid criticizing judges individually.” 1611687;1486356269;mircea_popescu;ahem. 1611688;1486356272;mircea_popescu;because why exactly ? 1611689;1486356292;mircea_popescu;oh, right, human rights & socialism depends on no individuals ever existing, right right. 1611690;1486356653;BingoBoingo;Well, duh. Uniform grey mass is the goal. 1611691;1486356820;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD447E72B927C11E1DD7D0E1C22AFB9B8897AF283CAE603B8C66F5E588BEC960 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1352...2053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.53.140.12 (ssh-rsa key from 212.53.140.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (v7153.vps-control.de. DE HH) 1611692;1486356820;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD447E72B927C11E1DD7D0E1C22AFB9B8897AF283CAE603B8C66F5E588BEC960 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1592...4017 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.53.140.12 (ssh-rsa key from 212.53.140.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (v7153.vps-control.de. DE HH) 1611693;1486357036;mircea_popescu;lmao sent australia pm packing. epic. 1611694;1486357058;mircea_popescu;if anyplace needs the iraq treatment it's certainly fucking australia. 1611695;1486357178;mircea_popescu;o hey, check it out, he actually told mexico's president noriega-something-or-the-other that he's gonna send the cavalry to sort out teh bad hombres. 1611696;1486357203;mircea_popescu;dude the comedy gold dividends are something else. 1611697;1486357220;BingoBoingo;for srs 1611698;1486357580;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/ICblT << the finer points of very hurtybutt. 1611699;1486357901;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FCFD4C901555608355F41260CDD286F484E57EAE3E11922D7CD7D59FEBBF431 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1382...8113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.74.236.134 (ssh-rsa key from 82.74.236.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (524AEC86.cm-4-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl. NL) 1611700;1486357901;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FCFD4C901555608355F41260CDD286F484E57EAE3E11922D7CD7D59FEBBF431 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1696...2197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.74.236.134 (ssh-rsa key from 82.74.236.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (524AEC86.cm-4-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl. NL) 1611701;1486358187;mircea_popescu;!~google mineriada 1611702;1486358188;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Mineriad - Wikipedia: ; June 1990 Mineriad - Wikipedia: ; Mineriada din iunie 1990 - Wikipedia: 1611703;1486358243;mircea_popescu;impeachment proceedures followed by trump going "omfg the crooks are trying to coup" followed by every guy with a gun marching on washington / mass beatings of faggots in hats on campuses is i suppose the 10/10 outcome here ? 1611704;1486358471;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F534933394E8AA206EF83D53317A52FC0B189CC6D856D2B7F27F7C568E250A3B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1412...3079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '219.106.231.83 (ssh-rsa key from 219.106.231.83 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (219-106-231-83.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp. JP) 1611705;1486358471;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F534933394E8AA206EF83D53317A52FC0B189CC6D856D2B7F27F7C568E250A3B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1699...7097 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '219.106.231.83 (ssh-rsa key from 219.106.231.83 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (219-106-231-83.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp. JP) 1611706;1486359087;BingoBoingo;The problem is are the gun faggots going to be able to beat the hat faggots 1611707;1486359098;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you like to find out ? 1611708;1486359205;BingoBoingo;Gotta harvest the popcorn first! 1611709;1486359373;BingoBoingo;"Our opposition simply folded in front of Brexit like shit-smeared toilet tissue and posted itself politely into the municipal recreation ground bin full of dog muck that is the future of the parliamentary Labour party." << lolBrits 1611710;1486359390;mircea_popescu;dude thinks himself a comedian and things. 1611711;1486359479;BingoBoingo;Maybe he thinks himself a roger VERified comedian? 1611712;1486359538;mircea_popescu;just about. 1611713;1486359566;mircea_popescu;poor fag barely able to pay for his own coffee somehow also hallucinates himself as part of some kind of "elite", it's a whole production in pretense. 1611714;1486360797;mircea_popescu;anyway, to go back to the faggots vs faggots point BingoBoingo , i somehow expect the hatwearing hipsters would fold exactly as described above. they don't strike me as the kind to get their nose broken, pick themselves up the floor and get back into the fight by any stretch. 1611715;1486360823;mircea_popescu;"our democracy" fellows, very vocal in a crowd. 1611716;1486361542;BingoBoingo;My wonder is are the other side in much better shape 1611717;1486388562;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz you couldn't begin to believe : Mon Feb 6 05:34:19 2017, Lost entity label of object Mircea Mircescu! 1611718;1486388664;shinohai;lol. I stillhave no idea why I have amazing Technicolor rocks 1611719;1486388672;shinohai;!!up nicknaem 1611720;1486388672;deedbot;nicknaem voiced for 30 minutes. 1611721;1486388744;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1611722;1486389714;nicknaem;hey guys where do 1611723;1486389723;nicknaem;I start to understand V 1611724;1486389815;shinohai;Heya nicknaem .... good way to start is to build a therealbitcoin node 1611725;1486389836;shinohai;See: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html 1611726;1486389922;shinohai;Also, welcome. How did you find us? 1611727;1486389962;nicknaem;good im doing that, was wondering what seals are 1611728;1486390016;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-02#1393822 << one year logreading ? >D 1611729;1486390016;a111;Logged on 2016-02-02 09:36 Nicknaem: i actually have nothing to say atm, was just checking out the channel :) 1611730;1486390039;nicknaem;uh I found this through the Trilema blog 1611731;1486390049;mircea_popescu;nicknaem seals are detached signatures made by people in your .wot which certify certain patches 1611732;1486390059;nicknaem;which I found through general interest in bitcoin 1611733;1486390068;shinohai;ben_vulpes has a nice guide to `V` as well: http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system 1611734;1486390084;nicknaem;cool was looking for something like that article 1611735;1486390155;mircea_popescu;but are you also Reuel ? 1611736;1486390172;nicknaem;yeah 1611737;1486390214;nicknaem;on another machine now just wanted to get the keys as described in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html 1611738;1486390263;mircea_popescu;no biggy. 1611739;1486390525;shinohai;!!up nicknaem 1611740;1486390525;deedbot;nicknaem voiced for 30 minutes. 1611741;1486390545;shinohai;nicknaem: You might wish to register a nick and key in the wot 1611742;1486390615;mircea_popescu;shinohai he already has one on a diff nick. 1611743;1486390638;shinohai;ah kk 1611744;1486391329;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E059E09156187992795BA97937017949CC1F7F411BF672EDB1DC1C9A8B66D8F7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9567...7193 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.221 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.221 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1611745;1486391329;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E059E09156187992795BA97937017949CC1F7F411BF672EDB1DC1C9A8B66D8F7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9944...2297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.221 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.221 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1611746;1486391330;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/31762CC46B6946377CED8A45CD85895201771C3D9595DE1574B7340562A2D67F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9944...2297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '121.120.1.158 (ssh-rsa key from 121.120.1.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MY) 1611747;1486391330;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/31762CC46B6946377CED8A45CD85895201771C3D9595DE1574B7340562A2D67F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9933...4043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '121.120.1.158 (ssh-rsa key from 121.120.1.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MY) 1611748;1486397622;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://www.defensenews.com/articles/grounded-nearly-two-thirds-of-us-navys-strike-fighters-cant-fly 1611749;1486397693;mircea_popescu;awww 1611750;1486397700;mircea_popescu;wouldn't they be so much better if they were paper only ? 1611751;1486397712;asciilifeform;aha! then could make up in QUANTITY!! 1611752;1486397838;mircea_popescu;not to mention they'd escape all these pesky reality tests. they could be as good and useful as wsod allows! 1611753;1486397891;asciilifeform;paper airplane is also bullet, rocket, death-ray proof. 1611754;1486397901;mircea_popescu;all it needs is love! 1611755;1486397961;mircea_popescu;and in other aptly named websites mistaking themselves for "communities", http://www.buttmagazine.com/buttheads/ 1611756;1486398190;mircea_popescu;(altogether a fine example of ~genuine~ fag aesthetic ; visually as well as eg http://www.buttmagazine.com/magazine/sexreviews/artist-is-compelled-to-suck-jawbreaking-dick-during-random-grindr-hookup-with-cocktease/ ) 1611757;1486398272;asciilifeform;in other noose, mr.t allahsnackbar ban officially canceled, rapefugees pour in. 1611758;1486398298;mircea_popescu;aha. surprisingly enough review court decided to side with the law clerk, started showdown. 1611759;1486398304;asciilifeform;(canceled by judge previously known for shouting 'black lives matter' from the bench after reading a verdict) 1611760;1486398308;mircea_popescu;i really didn't think they had it in them. 1611761;1486398526;asciilifeform;'Four states sue Trump administration over 'un-American' travel ban -- New York, Massachusetts and Virginia joined Washington state in launching legal challenges against executive order that wreaked havoc at airports at the weekend' 1611762;1486398535;asciilifeform;plus crapple, microshit, whole rogue's gallery 1611763;1486398549;mircea_popescu;clearly there's some lizzard strategising going on, no cali, really ? 1611764;1486398577;mircea_popescu;anyway, i have courtesy tickets to the show, kinda curious how it goes on. 1611765;1486398657;asciilifeform;the deck, in so far as i can see it with naked eye, is not merely stacked, but glued solid. 1611766;1486398680;mircea_popescu;well yeah but your vantage is you know, the gremlin stuck inside a glue bottle. 1611767;1486398685;asciilifeform;more or less. 1611768;1486398783;mircea_popescu;to reiterate, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611703 1611769;1486398783;a111;Logged on 2017-02-06 05:17 mircea_popescu: impeachment proceedures followed by trump going "omfg the crooks are trying to coup" followed by every guy with a gun marching on washington / mass beatings of faggots in hats on campuses is i suppose the 10/10 outcome here ? 1611770;1486398796;mircea_popescu;worked pretty well for erdogan, at that. 1611771;1486399026;asciilifeform;this gun didn't fire back when the ranchers were derping; or when obummercare; or when 9/11, dhs; when waco, rubyridge; when income tax imposed; etc. 1611772;1486399053;asciilifeform;it, apparently, is a theatrical gun, dun work. 1611773;1486399144;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/g4T2U << first-class lultron. 'evil criminals!!11' crack prng, jackpot casino. 'The economic realities of the gaming industry seem to guarantee that the St. Petersburg organization will continue to flourish. The machines have no easy technical fix. As Hoke notes, Aristocrat, Novomatic, and any other manufacturers whose PRNGs have been cracked “would have to pull all the machines out of service and put something e 1611774;1486399144;asciilifeform;lse in, and they’re not going to do that.” (In Aristocrat’s statement to WIRED, the company stressed that it has been unable “to identify defects in the targeted games” and that its machines “are built to and approved against rigid regulatory technical standards.”) ' 1611775;1486399209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all i have to say is, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cb/df/62/cbdf62997022ba7d6c25c34b46c2c382.jpg 1611776;1486399214;mircea_popescu;ie, this is generally how dorks end up shooting themselves in the eye. 1611777;1486399222;asciilifeform;wassat 1611778;1486399254;mircea_popescu;guy made famous by reliance on theatricalness of gun. 1611779;1486399384;asciilifeform;related, mega-classic, 1611780;1486399386;asciilifeform;'- Солдатам, выйти из строя! Полк, равняйсь, смирно! Слушай приказ по части: Секретно. Приказ N 136 по войсковой части полевая почта N 97978, г. Кабул. В последнее время в части участились случаи неосторожного обращения с оружием. С целью пресечения 1611781;1486399386;asciilifeform; подобных случаев и предотвращения дальнейших несанкционированных выстрелов приказываю: при получении и сдаче прапорщиком Банкиным А.Н. личного оружия, контрольный спуск пистолета с целью проверки отсутствия патрона в патроннике прапо 1611782;1486399387;asciilifeform;рщику Банкину производить приставив пистолет к виску собственной головы. Контроль за выполнением приказа возлагаю на дежурного по полку. Начальник штаба в/ч п/п 97978 п/п-к Звягинцев' 1611783;1486399411;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611780 1611784;1486399411;a111;Logged on 2017-02-06 16:43 asciilifeform: '- Солдатам, выйти из строя! Полк, равняйсь, смирно! Слушай приказ по части: Секретно. Приказ N 136 по войсковой части полевая почта N 97978, г. Кабул. В последнее время в части участились случаи неосторожного обращения с оружием. С целью пресечения 1611785;1486399411;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611780 1611786;1486399416;mircea_popescu;heh 1611787;1486399430;asciilifeform;lel 1611788;1486399487;mircea_popescu;teh praporscnik tested it huh. 1611789;1486399539;shinohai;wow, it's the same in Russian as in English! Thanks Google! 1611790;1486399560;mircea_popescu;links are a sign of the white man's privilege. 1611791;1486399596;asciilifeform;'-- soldiers, at attention! now hear the order of the day for our unit: Secret. Order No. 136, via the chain of command, field post N 97..., city of kabul. recently this unit has seen an uptick in the careless handling of weapons. in order to reduce these incidents and to prevent further unsanctioned discharges, i order: during the receipt and handoff by sgnt. Bankin A. N. of his sidearm, the test-decock for the verification of the a 1611792;1486399596;asciilifeform;bsence of a round in the chamber shall be performed strictly while placing his pistol to his own temple. the verification of the fulfillment of this order is entrusted to the unit commander. Chief of staff of .... ' 1611793;1486399628;asciilifeform;(folk legend.) 1611794;1486399749;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611690 << "There can't be a 1% if everyone is poor" 1611795;1486399749;a111;Logged on 2017-02-06 04:50 BingoBoingo: Well, duh. Uniform grey mass is the goal. 1611796;1486400025;mircea_popescu;in other cali protests, http://fannyplates.info/3.jpg 1611797;1486400350;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://archive.is/ZezeU >> 'The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.' 1611798;1486400564;shinohai;Supposed links to fbi iOS cracking toolz: http://pastebin.com/y9P19guS 1611799;1486400824;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so it begins. 1611800;1486400922;asciilifeform;which begins 1611801;1486400933;asciilifeform;iirc there was already 'climategate', ~0 effect 1611802;1486400935;mircea_popescu;the dismantling of the finances of the left. 1611803;1486400949;mircea_popescu;incidentally, trudeau looks like a total fucking shit. how can people tolerate his continued presence ? 1611804;1486401063;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611798 << both download links 404 btw, censored 1611805;1486401063;a111;Logged on 2017-02-06 17:02 shinohai: Supposed links to fbi iOS cracking toolz: http://pastebin.com/y9P19guS 1611806;1486401066;asciilifeform;anyone got the originals..? 1611807;1486401103;mircea_popescu;lol mega.nz useless in practice ? 1611808;1486401185;asciilifeform;i thought it was killed long ago 1611809;1486401214;asciilifeform;and i suppose there is a usg honeypot in its place, that folx are now using as if it were the old mega 1611810;1486401232;mircea_popescu;i dunno that it ever worked, but anyway. 1611811;1486401418;mircea_popescu;climategate had obama incumbent ; different global situation with an europe not yet drained by its uppity wymyn and a russia yet perceiving itself inferior to the westards, etc. 1611812;1486401482;mircea_popescu;a raindrop in the wrong direction is not "just another raindrop" like the raindrop in the right direction is. 1611813;1486401517;mircea_popescu;there's no equality of mass in this sense, "a bullet and a peach pit, same thing" 1611814;1486401574;asciilifeform;i suppose we see soon enough, bullet or peachpit 1611815;1486401587;mircea_popescu;rather. 1611816;1486401742;Reuel;So, do the regulars here do most their development through V? 1611817;1486401843;trinque;Reuel: http://trinque.org/2016/08/11/logbot-genesis/ << yep 1611818;1486401856;Reuel;Or is it specifically for projects that need high trust 1611819;1486401871;mircea_popescu;and which projects don't ? 1611820;1486401878;mircea_popescu;not like there's userspace separation in linux or anything 1611821;1486401982;Reuel;Hmm it certainly seems like good practice 1611822;1486402010;Reuel;But then there is a whole world out there to convince I guess 1611823;1486402013;mircea_popescu;basically, if you expect collaboration, you should v ; if you're doodling go right ahead an' doodle in whichever way it works 1611824;1486402046;mircea_popescu;Reuel the notion that "the world" somehow "exists" and it is incumbent for reality to "convince it" thus getting that supposed world which somehow exists to empower actual reality is rank nonsense. 1611825;1486402067;mircea_popescu;reality exists. inasmuch as this supposed world you talk about is convinced, it exists. inasmuch as it remains unconvinced, i does not exist. 1611826;1486402077;mircea_popescu;the test of existence is v ; not "the world". 1611827;1486402100;shinohai;V is the genesis of *everything* 1611828;1486402604;Reuel;I'll first learn more before commenting, dear enthusiasts 1611829;1486402737;asciilifeform;Reuel: V did not come out of nowhere, out of my arse randomly one night, but is the sum of several years of conversation here. 1611830;1486402878;asciilifeform;starting from, possibly at the earliest, mircea_popescu's article http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc 1611831;1486402906;asciilifeform;(which was before i tuned in) 1611832;1486403045;mircea_popescu;i suppose the one republican element least likely to be readily digested (or for that matter even perceived on the first few passes) by the general public is that the republic most pointedly isn't an "online community" of the web ilk, namely a group of people who "since the space is here we'll squat" and "since we're squatting here we'll x", to then be governed by "codes of conduct" and to then be shephered into thinking that 1611833;1486403046;mircea_popescu; "being a faggot is ok" through the simple avenue of the web admin deleting any occurence of the string "being a faggot is not ok". 1611834;1486403107;mircea_popescu;the fact that the republic creates the tools it uses, entirely and exactly, with no quarter given to this otherwise universal "i found it, i'm calling it a tool and allowing it to shape me in the process" idiocy simply is not conceivable naturally, to the poor souls captive in some sort of children's tolkien fairytale. 1611835;1486403116;mircea_popescu;heck, i imagine it's not conceivable even after being pointed out. 1611836;1486403297;asciilifeform;'The Navy has issued its last major directive of the Barack Obama era with a “diversity road map” that paves the way for a multiethnic force of sailors and civilians who are protected against discrimination based on “gender identity” or “sex stereotyping.”' 1611837;1486403301;asciilifeform;relatedly. 1611838;1486403324;asciilifeform;' 1611839;1486403324;asciilifeform;Diversity, as well as another noncombat issue — climate change — became imbued in Defense Department doctrine as essential to winning wars.' 1611840;1486403334;mircea_popescu;lmao 1611841;1486403335;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1611842;1486403367;mircea_popescu;basically the thing with the female brain is that it doesn't so much care WHERE the auscultation happens, just as long as her verbal outpour is being listened to. 1611843;1486403401;mircea_popescu;dumb old bitty has no problem taking half hour of doctor's time to whine about her dog's feelings ; dumb bahamas from kenya has no problem droning at the navy about "climate change" and other being-a-superhero idiocies. 1611844;1486403447;asciilifeform;eh if it were 1 monkey 1611845;1486403460;asciilifeform;rather, they have 100s of female 'admirals', 'generals', etc 1611846;1486403489;asciilifeform;(1000s if you count 'femals of both sexes' (tm) (r)) 1611847;1486403493;mircea_popescu;im not entirely sure this is a bad thing. imagine, life of a pirate : boarding a us carrier with a dingy, geting the shadmiral to show you her deepthroat skills. 1611848;1486403511;asciilifeform;iirc they stopped letting'em out of pentagon 1611849;1486403521;asciilifeform;after too many 'picturesque' incidents 1611850;1486403528;mircea_popescu;aww. 1611851;1486403996;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, 'Former regional president Artur Mas and two of his cabinet members will go on trial on Monday in Barcelona accused of disobeying Spain’s Constitutional Court by staging a non-binding vote on independence in 2014. They face being banned from public office for up to 10 years.' 1611852;1486404015;asciilifeform;oh noez, took a poll!!11 1611853;1486404041;mircea_popescu;lel 1611854;1486404062;Reuel;I thought he was Indonesian though 1611855;1486404302;asciilifeform;mno 1611856;1486404568;Reuel;Should I remove Alex Jones from my news sources? 1611857;1486404574;trinque;lol! 1611858;1486404665;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=beobachter 1611859;1486404699;trinque;or maybe he's more like the "state sanctioned opposition" guy, what was it 1611860;1486404711;asciilifeform;zhirinovsky 1611861;1486404714;mircea_popescu;which one is alex jones ? 1611862;1486404737;trinque;mircea_popescu: snuck into bilderberg's picnic with the wood owl 1611863;1486404747;trinque;yells about "THE GLOBAL ELITES" 1611864;1486404751;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the foremost 'martians did 9/11' d00d. 1611865;1486404751;mircea_popescu;uh 1611866;1486404776;mircea_popescu;oh fuck me i thought this face was in the saturday night live crew. 1611867;1486404783;asciilifeform;mno. 1611868;1486404800;BingoBoingo; oh fuck me i thought this face was in the saturday night live crew. << Easy to confuse, that's Senator Al Franken 1611869;1486404806;trinque;bohemian grove rather, not bilderberg 1611870;1486404826;mircea_popescu;Reuel so what's he do ? 1611871;1486404831;Reuel;it was a joke 1611872;1486404843;Reuel;he is rather entertaining tho 1611873;1486404844;mircea_popescu;a 1611874;1486404862;mircea_popescu;then keep 1611875;1486404862;Reuel;as far as enjoying craziness goes 1611876;1486404885;asciilifeform;jones is the one official (yes) 'news head' who has the redeeming virtue of being funny 1611877;1486404917;ben_vulpes;is stewart funny again yet? 1611878;1486404930;Reuel;well he might actually be elevated in status on the strength of being the only pro Trump "media" 1611879;1486404937;trinque;ben_vulpes: nah he's looking like a sad alcoholic these days 1611880;1486404940;ben_vulpes;"you're paaaartisan haaaaacks. stop huuurrrrrting amerrrrica." 1611881;1486404952;ben_vulpes;trinque: sad. 1611882;1486404961;asciilifeform;(jones is kept around with the expectation that he will apply 'martian spray' to items that are to be Kept Out Of Respectable Press, e.g., https://archive.is/TpAUO ) 1611883;1486404969;mircea_popescu;kinda hard for sad alcoholics to avoid looking like one mid term. 1611884;1486405009;ben_vulpes;trinque: watched the "standup special" of chappelle's writing partner a few nights ago. more of a "babby's first monologue with jokes", some funny, but most remarkable for the restrained wokeness plumage on display and surprising grasp of war of northern aggression dynamics. 1611885;1486405043;trinque;asciilifeform: aha, says whatever semi-reasonable thing right next to "the pedo democrats are using the souls of children to transcend to the next spiritual dimension" and so on 1611886;1486405050;trinque;actually said this on a podcast recently 1611887;1486405054;ben_vulpes;"an american flag and a confederate flag on the same truck? that's like 'this tattoo is for steve, and this tattoo is to commemorate the time i tried to run away from steve. we're making the best of a bad situation now.'" 1611888;1486405091;mircea_popescu;wait so the pedo democrats aren't ?! 1611889;1486405100;asciilifeform;!#s crank bait 1611890;1486405100;a111;34 results for "crank bait", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crank%20bait 1611891;1486405102;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: that's cause he hid behind chappelle for years... 1611892;1486405107;trinque;yes but the pretense that this isn't just garden variety pedo party 1611893;1486405114;trinque;NO AM SPIRITUAL DEMIGOD 1611894;1486405137;mircea_popescu;i dunno how many wonk parties with nudity and public fucking you went to in the 70s 1611895;1486405141;mircea_popescu;but THEY WERE ALL LIKE THAT 1611896;1486405165;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: well yeah. 1611897;1486405172;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265548 << short likbez, for n00bz ) 1611898;1486405172;a111;Logged on 2015-09-07 19:58 ascii_field: mats: the way it works is, there are precisely two kinds of permitted mass media in usa: 1) usg 2) usg crank bait 1611899;1486405184;trinque;hey I'm not saying the moloch statue doesn't look cool or w/e 1611900;1486405188;ben_vulpes;central theme of piece, too. 'woe is me, i wasted all this time writing for others'. 1611901;1486405189;trinque;or burning owlthing 1611902;1486405212;BingoBoingo; yes but the pretense that this isn't just garden variety pedo party << The quality cranks are spinning this as Jewish worship of Baal 1611903;1486405225;mircea_popescu;trinque holy shit, meanwhile the "actually said this" line sunk in. 1611904;1486405263;trinque;lel 1611905;1486405266;ben_vulpes;what is the "actually said this" line? 1611906;1486405276;trinque;he's martian bugspray indeed 1611907;1486405292;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes with the pedo transcending 1611908;1486405298;ben_vulpes;ah foundit 1611909;1486405324;mircea_popescu;i mean... hello africa and whatever, everyone gotta have some congolese statues hecho en mexico, but ffs. 1611910;1486405370;trinque;also there's a second space program that made contact with the grays, and the pedo democrats are part of a "breakaway society" that is going to neuter everyone of inferior class 1611911;1486405383;trinque;they're stealing from #t !!! 1611912;1486405384;mircea_popescu;what's the grays ? 1611913;1486405399;trinque;the 80s aliens with big black eyes 1611914;1486405427;mircea_popescu;this almost sounds like it's evolved under pressure, as part of a classification. are there also... greens ? reds ? 1611915;1486405430;mircea_popescu;browsn ? 1611916;1486405438;trinque;the greens are the reptilians 1611917;1486405449;trinque;I can only assume the rest of the rainbow will get there in time 1611918;1486405456;trinque;all this to say, this guy's audience is huge 1611919;1486405492;mircea_popescu;you know i have a cousin, he's a great fellow, has two daugthers long married and with chitlin of their own, and you know, keeps bees, which he harvests from forest by himself, pickles mushrooms, makes excellent moonshine... 1611920;1486405511;mircea_popescu;spending an evening with this fellow is an exquisite exercise in surrealism along those lines. 1611921;1486405616;mircea_popescu;i guess most people lacking such cousin especially in the us are stuck with the tv version. 1611922;1486405657;BingoBoingo;Nah, the problem is Marijuana and stoner culture make all those cousins uniformly bland 1611923;1486405666;mircea_popescu;or that. 1611924;1486405879;BingoBoingo;"stoner culture" naturally being a product of marketing 1611925;1486406270;thestringpuller;marketing Snoop Dogg is making a fortune from. d00d is a genius at extracting $$$$ from white girls 1611926;1486406431;ben_vulpes;that cooking show lol 1611927;1486406476;ben_vulpes;snoop dog and martha stewart, in mashups from the fourth planet 1611928;1486406692;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: incidentally, trudeau looks like a total fucking shit. how can people tolerate his continued presence ? << trudeau's ratings at home are falling off the map. the carbon tricycle is backpedaling at full speed. in response, and as i suggested on contravex, leb-irishman kevin o'leary officially announced candidacy for conversative party of canada a week or so ago. he's looking strong but federal 1611929;1486406694;pete_dushenski;election isn't until fall 2019. 1611930;1486406765;mircea_popescu;dude looks like one of those obnoxious "morale officers" at shitty summer camp for wanna-be-middleclass kids to be forcibly sent to so parents can save a few bucks for winters' round of idle pretense. 1611931;1486406780;pete_dushenski;speaking of politics back home, what's the latest from your contacts back in romania re: protests against 'legalised corruption' 1611932;1486406818;mircea_popescu;nuland-soros wasting their us fed acct on the local whores, more or less. 1611933;1486406818;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: trudeau was grade school teacher, which is exactly 'morale officer' here 1611934;1486406895;pete_dushenski;because having elected officials with business acumen wouldn't give them the necessary tools to talk to the people and ~feel~ their problems donchaknow 1611935;1486406923;pete_dushenski;!#s nuland 1611936;1486406924;a111;26 results for "nuland", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nuland 1611937;1486406935;mircea_popescu;yeah. also wouldn't create a lot of little holes in the public treasury for otherwise worthless asswipes to suckle at. 1611938;1486407016;pete_dushenski;the world's his classroom, or to paraphrase dogbert, trudeau's only regret is that his arms are too short to hug the entire world. 1611939;1486407106;mircea_popescu;in the immortal words of the chairman of the board, "get the hands off the suit, creep." 1611940;1486407170;pete_dushenski;but hey, at least canada's suckling asswipes are bilingual. working french is sine qua non for federal employment. if there's any edge over their other 'angloworld' counterparts, it's that and that alone. 1611941;1486407208;pete_dushenski;soon they'll be able to grovel at pharoah's feet in two languages! 1611942;1486407237;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj7nFfgtOek << grovel, grovel 1611943;1486407276;mircea_popescu;o wait, прапорщику trudnik parlevu franse ? y odicolon tambien ? 1611944;1486407328;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: suit needs to be white with pin stripes. n'est pas. 1611945;1486407356;pete_dushenski;!~translate ru to en прапорщику 1611946;1486407358;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: ensign 1611947;1486407385;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it was the pre- and even post-soviet rank of what the us army calls "specialist" 1611948;1486407395;pete_dushenski;por supuesto 1611949;1486407416;mircea_popescu;!#s govorit frantuski 1611950;1486407416;a111;0 results for "govorit frantuski", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=govorit%20frantuski 1611951;1486407417;pete_dushenski;was also used in star trek 1611952;1486407420;mircea_popescu;aww 1611953;1486407592;pete_dushenski;so it's -27C today and one of the 7yo boilers decided to bite the dust at the office today. thankfully there's 4 others but one corner of the building is friggin chilly. large aluminum framed single-glazed dual-slider windows aren't the best insulators. 1611954;1486407699;pete_dushenski;in other blows, this was apparently just launched today : https://www.camsoda.com/blowcast/ 'the itunes of [vr] blowjobs' 1611955;1486407789;pete_dushenski;obv they only take cc and pp because they're retarded, but possibly also because they're dealing with $1 amounts and btc != coffeecoin 1611956;1486407944;pete_dushenski;"BlowCast allows a user to buy a simulated blow job from dozens of amateur and professional cam girls. The way it works is a cam model interested in offering a simulated blowjob is given a Kiiroo Pearl, a vibrating dildo that has been hacked by CamSoda to collect sensory data while the model fellates the device. This data is then uploaded to a repository on BlowCast and a user can select a blowjob based on 1611957;1486407946;pete_dushenski;the model and user reviews. On the customer-side of things, the user will have an internet connected "sleeve" (essentially a high-tech Fleshlight) which takes the sensory data from the cam girl's dildo and replicates it in the sleeve. When paired with a video feed, it simulates the experience of receiving a blow job from that particular model." 1611958;1486407985;thestringpuller;This is the exact reason Japanese birthrates are down. 1611959;1486407996;BingoBoingo; was also used in star trek << That was more the naval rank of Ensign, intial officer ascension rank, below Lou Tenant 1611960;1486408101;pete_dushenski;was that louis or louise ? 1611961;1486408130;BingoBoingo;That is lost to history 1611962;1486408199;pete_dushenski;bbl. boiler repairman here. 1611963;1486408476;BingoBoingo;!!up fromphuctor 1611964;1486408477;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1611965;1486408554;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-likely-to-reimpose-tariffs-on-canadian-softwood-lumber-soon/ << Qntra - US Likely TO Reimpose Tariffs On Canadian Softwood Lumber Soon 1611966;1486409385;BingoBoingo;^ pete_dushenski 1611967;1486409797;mircea_popescu;holy shit, suck a dick once, replay a million times ? every boring housewife's dream come true! 1611968;1486410050;mircea_popescu;and in other lulzy spanish idioms, "estar de rodriquez" is ~to be up shit creek 1611969;1486410213;shinohai;!!up fromphuctor 1611970;1486410213;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1611971;1486410925;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/06/trusting-god-fearing-men-is-one-of-your-better-business-strategies/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Trusting God-fearing men is one of your better business strategies. 1611972;1486411828;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611947 << ~sergeant 1611973;1486411828;a111;Logged on 2017-02-06 18:56 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it was the pre- and even post-soviet rank of what the us army calls "specialist" 1611974;1486413235;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/hussein-bahamas-era-noaa-implicated-in-fraud-preceding-paris-talks/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Era NOAA Implicated In Fraud Preceding Paris Talks 1611975;1486413276;mircea_popescu;such pussybraggin' times we be livin'. 1611976;1486413826;BingoBoingo;4Real! 1611977;1486415464;asciilifeform;meanwhile, https://archive.is/GWJuI >> Run Moar Microshit! 1611978;1486415475;asciilifeform;'Windows users running the Tor browser can be tricked into uncloaking themselves, with a pretty straightforward trick based on Microsoft's DRM system.' 1611979;1486416090;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: commented 1611980;1486416228;BingoBoingo;ty pete_dushenski 1611981;1486418843;shinohai;!~google "your initial password is password" filetype:pdf 1611982;1486418844;jhvh1;shinohai: How to Retrieve Your User ID and initial Password: ; student portal information - Ammons Middle School - Miami-Dade ...: ; Student User IDs & Passwords - ucmo.edu: 1611983;1486419867;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/beaches-closed-in-melbourne-due-to-fecal-contamination/ << Qntra - Beaches Closed In Melbourne Due To Fecal Contamination 1611984;1486420079;pete_dushenski;shitty news day 1611985;1486420114;BingoBoingo;understatement 1611986;1486423269;pete_dushenski;in non-republican lisp news : http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8060.txt (yes, i know it's not the language) 1611987;1486423315;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: to that, i'll raise you a http://www.la6nca.net/tysk2/lispr 1611988;1486423354;pete_dushenski;lel 1611989;1486423577;asciilifeform;^ was mega-wunderwaffen incidentally. ~impossible to intercept if used correctly. 1611990;1486423616;asciilifeform;and they had, remember, no laser. 5w light bulb! 1611991;1486423641;asciilifeform;good for 4km in clear weather ! 1611992;1486423662;asciilifeform;and ~voice~, not morse. 1611993;1486425357;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4BOcqQWEAENnaR.jpg 1611994;1486425853;mircea_popescu;wow 1611995;1486425862;mircea_popescu;this somehow has never occured to me. 1611996;1486425935;asciilifeform;lomachinsky (coroner d00d, mentioned a few threads ago) devoted whole chapter to 'death by carelessness with vacuum sources' 1611997;1486425957;asciilifeform;though a more typical scenario is the small private swimming pool common in usa. 1611998;1486425965;asciilifeform;(also described by american writer chuck palahniuk) 1611999;1486425976;mircea_popescu;it seems this is set to blow 1612000;1486425985;asciilifeform;to suck! 1612001;1486425986;mircea_popescu;air escapes through turbulet flow under the rubber 1612002;1486426002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you figure ? 1612003;1486426042;asciilifeform;the photo does not say which hose is which. but if 'blow', then all set for embolism 1612004;1486426053;mircea_popescu;nah, 1400w engine isn't nearly strong enough. 1612005;1486426089;mircea_popescu;healthy young female will iwthstand fucking with literal jackhammer, as long as no bones are touched her soft parts can take it. 1612006;1486426446;*;shinohai imagines mircea_popescu trying this out in the harem sometime soon 1612007;1486426867;mircea_popescu;eh, vacuum cleaners. 1612008;1486427435;BingoBoingo;for mp's purposes most useful part is the metal end pipe 1612009;1486427449;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 66.35.48.19 1612010;1486427450;scriba;ssh banner of 66.35.48.19 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu7.1 1612011;1486427483;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/blockade/ 1612012;1486427690;mircea_popescu;and in other "who's reading trilema" news, Grabber (SDSC) http://www.sdsc.edu/ 1612013;1486427748;mircea_popescu;"SDSC provides a unique blend of advanced computing and expertise that serves as a local, state and national gateway for collaboration, innovation and education for an era defined and transformed by its information." 1612014;1486427759;mircea_popescu;such fluff it could be a car name without missing a beat. 1612015;1486427992;ben_vulpes;heh in other miserable names someone put "winkers" in my face last week 1612016;1486428867;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1612017;1486428898;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes btw i got it for you. 1612018;1486429089;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Irz1K/?raw=true << that's how a call to you looks. 1612019;1486429121;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: selfhost your CSS!!! 1612020;1486429126;BingoBoingo;brb, sober time 1612021;1486433790;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3C9977A85B069AE0699A189EB31BF27481F36C37207F11F3DA5D027B28CD0461 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1726...2069 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.146.225.162 (ssh-rsa key from 194.146.225.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sd2306.sivit.org. FR) 1612022;1486433791;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3C9977A85B069AE0699A189EB31BF27481F36C37207F11F3DA5D027B28CD0461 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1606...4333 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.146.225.162 (ssh-rsa key from 194.146.225.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sd2306.sivit.org. FR) 1612023;1486433820;asciilifeform;Nerim est l'Opérateur Internet et Télécom des Entreprises ! 1612024;1486433822;asciilifeform;lel 1612025;1486434034;mats;oh good, qntra cites breitbart now 1612026;1486436980;mircea_popescu;hey, their guy won the race. 1612027;1486437759;mats;yes, i also support the agitator of the hour when it's convenient 1612028;1486437834;mircea_popescu;i literally can't remember how long since new york times' guy won the race. 1612029;1486437837;mircea_popescu;possibly truman ? 1612030;1486437947;mats;re-publication of work by nu-goebbels is hard to read 1612031;1486438085;mircea_popescu;quote ? 1612032;1486438451;mats;>Today revelations by a whistle blower within the US National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration demonstrated that a key paper produced by the agency under the Hussein Bahamas administration which served as "motivation" during recent negotiations in Paris was plagued by fraudulent manipulation of facts (archived). The bogeyman of "climate change" 1612033;1486438451;mats;has been held up by socialists of all flavors as a scourge demanding statal control of energy production and expenditures as an only supposed remedy. 1612034;1486438551;mats;not looking to stir things up here, however, i feel qntra copy has been hit-or-miss for some time 1612035;1486438655;mircea_popescu;well yes, but like with all reports, it helps if it's more than "i get an error". 1612036;1486438706;mats;i recommend vigilant use of the active tense and to keep things simple 1612037;1486438739;mircea_popescu;that part's not disputed i dun think. 1612038;1486438762;mats;insider phraseology without some link to context has also got to go 1612039;1486438783;mircea_popescu;did you just do that ? 1612040;1486438831;mats;i don't see any variety speak above where it'd be relevant 1612041;1486438843;mircea_popescu;so which insider phraseology has got to go. 1612042;1486438880;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if you're speaking to some sort of consensus that exists to you only. you expect ima somehow guess what you mean because it's universal or what exactly ? 1612043;1486438887;mircea_popescu;it's not universal. 1612044;1486438893;mats;'Hussein Bahamas' makes me gag every time 1612045;1486438918;mircea_popescu;not my fault ustards voted the derp into office. stick to people with christian names, avoid the problem. 1612046;1486439114;mircea_popescu;but anyway -- the 44th us president will be known as hussein bahamas long after he's forgotten in any other sense. everything else will go, that much stays. he's called whatever the fuck we say he's called, and in his case this is a lot better than any alternative. 1612047;1486439165;mircea_popescu;i suppose indian style he could be "the incompetent fuckwad who got ahead through affirmative action and ruined being black for everyone else" 1612048;1486439317;*;asciilifeform quite liked the (now -- largely forgotten) : gorbama 1612049;1486439372;mircea_popescu;in better comedy gold, trump now on the record re fake media covering up terrorist attacks. 1612050;1486439491;asciilifeform;iirc somali machete hero did not even appear in the beobachter 1612051;1486439520;mircea_popescu;aha. that's what makes this so good, that for all the libertard indignation there's plenty of supporting factlets. 1612052;1486439559;mircea_popescu;o and the leaked "freedom of religion" ie http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610995 1612053;1486439559;a111;Logged on 2017-02-02 17:05 mircea_popescu: http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20170201&t=2&i=1171009855 << in other news, it'd seem the party's over for darkies, brownies, trannies, furries, latinos etceteras. 1612054;1486440063;*;mircea_popescu also likes how the "black lives matter" court clerk is "a federal judge appointed by g w bush" depending where one looks. 1612055;1486440070;shinohai;http://trilema.com/2016/kismia-dating-scam/#comment-121280 <<< looks like iy's your lucky day mircea_popescu 1612056;1486440109;mircea_popescu;o ya, major shortage of dick pix at chateau mp, derp's a lifesaver. 1612057;1486440128;shinohai;kek 1612058;1486440150;mircea_popescu;we use them to pay bills, turns out they're more valuable than benjies. 1612059;1486440196;shinohai;I have received 8 DM's on twitter this week containing dick pics, thinking I wish to forward them to models. 1612060;1486440210;mircea_popescu;lmao 1612061;1486440217;mircea_popescu;it's hard out there for a pimp. 1612062;1486440332;mircea_popescu;o wait wait, forgot - the holocaust in trump's reading is sort-of merged with katyn to become this indistinct polack-jew-gypsy-czech-etcetera bonfire. 1612063;1486440509;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/5z4YU << in other news, apparently navy seals as shitty as us army generally. 1612064;1486440570;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu also likes how the "black lives matter" court clerk is "a federal judge appointed by g w bush" depending where one looks. << Tradition is for the lower bowels of the court Pres takes Senator's suggestion in return for favors later 1612065;1486440581;mircea_popescu;aha. 1612066;1486440606;BingoBoingo;Part of the grease that used to let two party system work 1612067;1486440620;mircea_popescu;aha. 1612068;1486440641;mircea_popescu;back in the days when nyt still mattered in any sense, long long ago in a land far far away. 1612069;1486440684;mircea_popescu;o speaking of which, " Somebody with aptitude and conviction should buy the FAKE NEWS and failing @nytimes and either run it correctly or let it fold with dignity! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 29, 2017" 1612070;1486440694;mircea_popescu;course who the fuck would pay money for that spamsite... 1612071;1486440695;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6515 1612072;1486440876;shinohai;http://nypost.com/2017/02/06/drug-dealer-whose-sentence-was-commuted-by-obama-is-back-behind-bars/ <<< Best Hussein Bahamas "Fuck You" I've read so far. 1612073;1486442338;mircea_popescu;"Examples of existing business arrangements that constitute violations of the foreign-emoluments clause include: China’s state-owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China is the largest tenant in Trump Tower, and the state-owned Bank of China is a major lender to Trump." 1612074;1486442348;mircea_popescu;check it out, the fucktards suddenly discovered htis exists. 1612075;1486442353;mircea_popescu;!#s icbc 1612076;1486442353;a111;21 results for "icbc", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=icbc 1612077;1486442392;mircea_popescu;pink sheets eh. 1612078;1486447853;phf;once they figured "grabbing pussy" doesn't work, they reluctantly switched to this whole "journalistic work" thing. what the hell yo gotta try everything once you know? 1612079;1486467599;mircea_popescu;awww/ 1612080;1486467608;mircea_popescu;but how could grabbing pussy not have worked!!11 1612081;1486467615;mircea_popescu;putin influenced teh grab. 1612082;1486470837;mircea_popescu;o wow check this out, they even got the ayatollah out of the mothball closet! 1612083;1486471078;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the epicenter of hot blondies, http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20170206&t=2&i=1171630335 1612084;1486472080;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone actually looked into the "so called judge", james robart ? turns out he's a proper judge as opposed to the glorified court clerks the us has been replacing the judgeship with ; pretty famous in seattle for tearing down seattle's ban on strip clubs. 1612085;1486473600;mircea_popescu;oh man, the fucking 70s... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4BZnwTWIAAH26J.jpg 1612086;1486473641;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : if your girl's comfortable taking shoes to bed, i've probably seen her naked before you have.) 1612087;1486476886;phf;amusingly enough, the consensus among local nordics (swedes, norgewians and danes so far) is that "pussy grabbing" is just an obvious, if an extreme reaction to the american political correctness insanity 1612088;1486476975;phf;so even the "nodic" allies are not buying the narrative 1612089;1486477328;mircea_popescu;which it exactly is neh ? 1612090;1486477347;mircea_popescu;try this experiment, see what it'd take to entice male randomly chosen to grab woman. even if from behind. 1612091;1486477368;mircea_popescu;it'll be a degree of magnitude cheaper to get same fellow to sucker punch someone. 1612092;1486477499;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes turns out danielpbarron is working the daylights out of mz lustt eh ? :D 1612093;1486480628;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612083 << witness, absolutely as if clitler were on the iron throne 1612094;1486480628;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 12:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the epicenter of hot blondies, http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20170206&t=2&i=1171630335 1612095;1486480852;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612084 << mircea_popescu is mistaken in the belief that usa has a seekrit inner core of 'sane judges'. there is no such thing as a sane judge in a reich. any more than you can have a 'sane' rubyonlgbtpqrs programmer. 1612096;1486480852;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 12:54 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone actually looked into the "so called judge", james robart ? turns out he's a proper judge as opposed to the glorified court clerks the us has been replacing the judgeship with ; pretty famous in seattle for tearing down seattle's ban on strip clubs. 1612097;1486480936;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612085 << is that the shot-self-in-eye d00d again? his expression! he looks as if he ~knew~... 1612098;1486480936;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 13:20 mircea_popescu: oh man, the fucking 70s... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4BZnwTWIAAH26J.jpg 1612099;1486481858;asciilifeform;in other lulz, clitler is bak! : '“Despite all the challenges we face, I remain convinced that YES, the future is female,” Clinton said in a videotaped message to the 2017 Makers Conference in California. Makers is a storytelling platform for raising issues impacting women.' 1612100;1486481865;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ETpGrWMAAubHw.jpg <<< heh this is an interesting ZX clone, never seen one like it. 1612101;1486482063;asciilifeform;shinohai: there literally a thousand types of this, in late '80s-early '90s 1612102;1486482087;asciilifeform;most sold as kits, by grey market folk 1612103;1486482102;shinohai;I've seen other clones, this one looks so ..... industrial 1612104;1486482115;asciilifeform;eh it looks quite like the others 1612105;1486482123;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had a fully native ro version. 1612106;1486484697;phf;fwiw, not much info about it, http://speccy.info/Файл:Dik_Case.jpg 1612107;1486484728;asciilifeform;not much info about most of these, typically 1-2 d00dz involved in making, and a few hundred -- sold. 1612108;1486484735;asciilifeform;jungle industry. 1612109;1486484740;phf;right right 1612110;1486484903;phf;unrelatedly i got allegro's CLIM2 running (on an allegro). it's significantly faster than mcclim, mostly because it uses a MOTIF subtrate, which also means that it's even ugglier, and also otherwise prehistoric 1612111;1486485059;phf;it looks like the codebase is entirely licensed from symbolics, and there are leftover, possibly operational bits, that talked directly to x11 (with "genera" and "(c) symbolics" all over it), at some point allegro added a subtrate layer, that they called silica, which at the moment can do a motif or a windows nt backends. 1612112;1486485152;asciilifeform;phf: imho it is of purely historical interest -- just like the other smbx material 1612113;1486485288;phf;it's no problem, i have a plan, i'm going to sell all my computing hardware and from then on do all my work from an ipad 1612114;1486485316;asciilifeform;iirc you gotta lose pgp key first!111 1612115;1486485322;asciilifeform;(then -- postbox...) 1612116;1486485512;phf;y'all wanna buy some superior computing environment? i got here some good shit, my man. i just need like $10 for the bus, and then i have a guy, he's going to drop it off for me, c'mon man 1612117;1486488872;shinohai;http://archive.is/PiNTr <<< lol I actually have an old fax machine somewhere, but prolly not worth effort just to troll the feebs 1612118;1486488934;asciilifeform;woah -- first swallows of the dewinblowzification spring..? 1612119;1486488950;asciilifeform;(prolly not. but could picture it.) 1612120;1486491576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, that's putin. 1612121;1486491583;mircea_popescu;and yes they didn't change him 1612122;1486491618;mircea_popescu;and no, that's a young trump with i don't recall what slut. 1612123;1486491661;asciilifeform;stack trace plox, i lost the frame, which was putin 1612124;1486491662;asciilifeform;? 1612125;1486491852;mircea_popescu;iron throne 1612126;1486491872;asciilifeform;aa 1612127;1486491892;mircea_popescu;ahahaha future is female get the fuck out of here. 1612128;1486491908;mircea_popescu;do they actually hatch this idiocy or how does it come about 1612129;1486491916;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/pence-casts-tie-breaking-vote-in-blow-to-us-socialist-extraction-machine/ << Qntra - Pence Casts Tie-Breaking Vote In Blow To US Socialist Extraction Machine 1612130;1486491978;BingoBoingo;!~google Pence in our time 1612131;1486491979;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 15 (TM)(R) – Pence In Our Time ...: ; Mike Pence's Hateful Laws Almost Kept Me From My Dying Wife - Time: ; Mike Pence Shares a Moving Christmas Message – TruthFeed: >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611182 neh. 1612145;1486492891;a111;Logged on 2016-11-14 21:44 asciilifeform: 'Lol this is easily the best "unhappen" yet. So as the story goes, a secret key that exists and is regularily updated since 2006 suddenly — but deliberately! — gets a shared factor in 2016, as part of a didactic exercise which consists of doing euclids and other calisthenics. As a sub-plot thickener, it is for the first time announced that it takes 11*10/2 operations to obtain a 600+ digit prime factor in Berlin, which is somewha 1612146;1486492891;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 17:21 asciilifeform: the one 'quantum comp' that is a reasonable possibility is the perpetuum mobile sort. where, e.g., a class of weak (i.e. cheaply breakable from birth, or from a few published signatures) rsa keys is discovered in the dungeons, and dressed up into a 'we haz magical rsa breaker box, go switch to $shitcrypto' 1612147;1486493100;asciilifeform;hanbot: there are possible broad classes of diddled rng that will result in trivially breakable keys, but not phuctorable in the usual sense (without my knowing the trick) 1612148;1486493143;asciilifeform;there are also several known classes of ~naturally~ occurring 'sad prime', and some unknown number of unknown such classes. 1612149;1486493175;asciilifeform;plenty of room for alchemy. 1612150;1486493246;asciilifeform;consider a very simple example, the debian keys. prior to when i added their factors to the 8ball by hand, only a handful of them popped. 1612151;1486493267;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612018 << gotit 1612152;1486493267;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 00:58 mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Irz1K/?raw=true << that's how a call to you looks. 1612153;1486493268;asciilifeform;(because there were 32768 possible primes of every particular size, which makes for very few natural collisions.) 1612154;1486493270;ben_vulpes;willfix 1612155;1486493320;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Pc0Ty/?raw=true 1612156;1486493320;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1612157;1486493367;asciilifeform;hanbot: conceivably, a sabotaged generator that yields 2**32 possible keys, will result in ~0 natural collisions, and remain invisible to phuctor unless i first find it via some other means. 1612158;1486493406;asciilifeform;(elementary application of 'birthday theorem') 1612159;1486493569;asciilifeform;it may even be that ~most~ rsa keys, such as presently exist, are cheaply breakable. 1612160;1486493596;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/police-one-forum-hacked-in-2015-users-notified-now/ << Qntra - Police One Forum Hacked In 2015, Users Notified Now 1612161;1486493829;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didja ever learn how the hell shitflare got between you and anybody at all ? 1612162;1486493849;asciilifeform;it seems like a first-class wtf to me, supposing that ben_vulpes did not have it ~anywhere~ in his stack at any point 1612163;1486493892;ben_vulpes;no, i goofed. left a link to someone else's css. 1612164;1486493895;asciilifeform;aah 1612165;1486493987;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: can ssl or gpg be beaten into eating a specific file of entropy without patching them? 1612166;1486494056;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nope 1612167;1486494088;ben_vulpes;strikes me as nutty 1612168;1486494142;asciilifeform;grab the canonical source (deedbotted by mircea_popescu) and see for yourself. 1612169;1486494170;asciilifeform;(if you participated in asciilifeform's wild goose chase in august '16, you already have a copy) 1612170;1486494174;ben_vulpes;i did some amount of reading, sought confirmation 1612171;1486494264;asciilifeform;while we're on the subj, i will say that reading from just ~one~ centralized rng, is braindamaged; 1612172;1486494292;asciilifeform;and not only in the sense of 'having 1 rng on the physical iron is braindamaged' but doing the mixing in a centralized place, known in advance to the enemy, is likewise idiotic 1612173;1486494302;asciilifeform;per specificity-of-diddling lemma 1612174;1486494310;asciilifeform;mix at the point of use. 1612175;1486494344;asciilifeform;and other proggies running on the box have 0 business knowing which serial ttys are rngs, which are terminals, and which -- nukes 1612176;1486494481;BingoBoingo;In other news, the best part of starting Brussel sprouts from seed is culling the delicious seedlings. 1612177;1486494562;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if i go and dd if=/dev/whatever1234 of=foo.bin bs=512 count=1 , there is no mechanical way to say, am i generating a 4096-bit whatever key ? or reading voltages from my air conditioner ? or whichever. 1612178;1486494571;asciilifeform;whereas if i say dd if=/dev/random .... 1612179;1486494680;asciilifeform;this is why i did not make FUCKGOATS a usb device in the usual sense. and did not give it any 'test mode command' or in fact any way to manipulate its state from the connected comp at all. 1612180;1486494770;asciilifeform;(you can put it in slave clock mode, but only by connecting physical wires in the very specific way described in the docs, and never 'from software') 1612181;1486494914;asciilifeform;('slave clock' in turn is an illustration of specificity-of-diddling. say you do not want to run the thing at the default clock, because you suspect that enemy rented the flat below yours and is microwaving your box, not only penetrating the shields but boiling your tea for you, etc. and you want to run at a different, unknown to him, frequency. well -- you can.) 1612182;1486496067;hanbot; it may even be that ~most~ rsa keys, such as presently exist, are cheaply breakable. << i'd've thought accessibility only via some other means precluded cheapness. but anyway, interestingk. 1612183;1486496084;asciilifeform;hanbot: cheap for the fella behind the trigger. 1612184;1486496089;asciilifeform;for everyone else -- expensive. 1612185;1486496129;hanbot;aha 1612186;1486496138;asciilifeform;the ftmeade jargon, iirc, is 'nobus' ('no one but us'), in contrast with 'phuctor-style' discoverable hole. 1612187;1486496360;hanbot;i thought it was "nothing is beyond our reach" or what's that idiocy with the octopus 1612188;1486496546;asciilifeform;nah that was usg's 'geospatial intelligence' ministry. 1612189;1486496578;asciilifeform;(for some reason unknown to me, the satellite folx have a separate one) 1612190;1486496691;hanbot;oh right 1612191;1486497640;mircea_popescu;o look at that, "it's laggy". 1612192;1486497666;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same node as earlier ? 1612193;1486497738;mircea_popescu;you mean freenode ? yeah. 1612194;1486497760;asciilifeform;i meant, what was foo in foo.fleanode.org 1612195;1486497774;asciilifeform;(i have blacklist, with several duds already in it, for eons now) 1612196;1486497803;mircea_popescu;same, verne.freenode.net[185.30.166.37/8001] 1612197;1486497854;mircea_popescu;i kinda dun feel like connecting to their new nsa servers (no, mp doesn't buy the "user provided" angle, seeing how they wouldn't take HIS) 1612198;1486497867;asciilifeform;as if one were any more or less infested than another. 1612199;1486497899;mircea_popescu;in general empire is inept, the worst thing you can do for them is use their own older shit. 1612200;1486497942;shinohai;I had to manually put connection ip's into jhvh1 .... for some reason it drops connection trying to resolve names 1612201;1486497955;mircea_popescu;i don't use their dns. 1612202;1486497958;asciilifeform;(what's the attack mode of a fleanode box, at any rate, while we're on the subj..? selectively vanishes messages ? inserts crapola ? as i see it, this will show up in the logtrons. and even if not, we have ways of reaching one another and pointing out the fact) 1612203;1486497994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i imagine they think themselves advanced for being able to log chans and steal pms. 1612204;1486498010;asciilifeform;i can hardly picture a fleanode that ~didn't~ log chans and pms from day 1 ! 1612205;1486498037;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/socialist-seek-to-replace-socialist-zuckerberg-on-facebook-board-for-insufficient-socialism/ << Qntra - Socialist Seek To Replace Socialist Zuckerberg On Facebook Board For Insufficient Socialism 1612206;1486498045;asciilifeform;it is the reasonable thing to presuppose, re a public turd of heathen provenance. 1612207;1486498096;mircea_popescu;anyway, the lulz where in same amsterdam dc box #i of 1..n suddenly "is laggy" while the rest are not, only for box j to be laggy two days after switch (ie the next tues) 1612208;1486498103;mircea_popescu;this is "national security", idiocy scarcely qualified for highschool. 1612209;1486498122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. besides, i don't even fucking use pms, and the c 1612210;1486498127;mircea_popescu;chan is logged anyway. 1612211;1486498189;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "this coups" 1612212;1486498208;ben_vulpes;whole sentence is kinda iffy 1612213;1486498240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sane folx using pm, treat it as a variant of pastebin. but apparently 'the squirrels don't know that' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579086 ) 1612214;1486498240;a111;Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: man in a nuthouse. he cowers in the corner, won't let anyone come near, in very odd pose. finally the d00dz in white coats come. they ask: 1612215;1486498452;mats;http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7388/video-of-saudi-frigate-attack-released-as-ballistic-missile-hits-near-riyadh 1612216;1486498515;asciilifeform;mats: if only they had with what to glass it. 1612217;1486498607;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: ty fxd 1612218;1486498859;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "an sworn" 1612219;1486498864;mircea_popescu;liek an hero ? 1612220;1486498912;BingoBoingo;ty fxd, could make good meme fodder, but prolly ought to save for better opportinitit 1612221;1486498917;mircea_popescu;ye 1612222;1486500851;thestringpuller;mod6: wheezy doesn't want to build TRB anymore. ping me if you have a specific image that you recommend from the wheezy era 1612223;1486501581;shinohai;Strange wheezy won't build trb ... I did it < month ago without issue. 1612224;1486501760;mod6;should be fine with gcc 4.9. 1612225;1486501776;mod6;can you send us log of what you're seeing? 1612226;1486502070;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what does gcc --version return ? 1612227;1486502102;asciilifeform;and really, buildroot's gcc won't build..? 1612228;1486502109;asciilifeform;would be mighty interesting to see why. 1612229;1486502227;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/4tPWe >> univ. of md. Officially proclaims willful pissing on white house: 1612230;1486502246;asciilifeform;'We will provide you with all available protections under the law and in accordance with the guidance provided by the State Attorney General: We will not release information on immigration status of our students, unless required by law. We will not share student information ​with Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE)​ officials without a court order. We will not permit ​ICE officials to enter campus buildings to search fo 1612231;1486502246;asciilifeform;r undocumented persons, unless they have a warrant or absent exigent circumstances. UM​D police will not partner with ​ICE officials to assist with ​immigration enforcement activities. UM​D police​ will not detain, question, or arrest any individual solely on the basis of his or her undocumented status.' 1612232;1486502298;asciilifeform;i.e. 'we will do exactly what we did under obummer, and fuck you, and oh hey did we mention, fuck you? and go ahead and try to pull fed funding, that button ain't connected' 1612233;1486502405;asciilifeform;http://undocumented.umd.edu exists. 1612234;1486502409;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1612235;1486506699;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1612236;1486506708;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1052.0, vol: 5129.03811558 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1030.997, vol: 5597.36894 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1049.5, vol: 15017.12842532 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1070.270652, vol: 14945.30990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1053.0, vol: 1952.24446202 | Volume-weighted last average: 1054.81203975 1612237;1486508140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform umd is also going away. 1612238;1486508155;mircea_popescu;unlike the rich ivy leagues, it entirely lives off trump's charity. 1612239;1486508271;mircea_popescu;in my own experience, it's very common for poorly socialized anal child to neeneer something along these lines, "oh you wouldn't dare" until the very first time you grab a stick and take his consciousness away. 1612240;1486508696;mircea_popescu;and in picrelated, https://archive.is/jHCB2 1612241;1486508769;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, the "Special relationsheep" britain speaker of parliament declares he will oppose trump speaking in uk parliament. hurr! 1612242;1486508890;mircea_popescu;(also, trump releases list of ~100 terrorist attacks, fake news agrees with itself that this changes nothing, that it's not fake news and that durr!) 1612243;1486509741;mircea_popescu;"We can’t know how the battle will finish, only that it will be fought. This is, quite suddenly, the story of our time." 1612244;1486509779;mircea_popescu;epic shit. i guess ima start offering a bitcent per cracked progressive head, or somesuch. lettuce fight "the battle" then huh. 1612245;1486509907;shinohai;I tried to get tits in here for us today, wannabe slut won't show her face so I said "Well, can't exactly help you" 1612246;1486509976;mircea_popescu;lmao 1612247;1486510296;shinohai;I just don't understand girls that say "I wanna be popular and get followers, but won't show face for X reason. Why doesn't anyone like me?" 1612248;1486510311;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what they're thinking. not like you can date without linking your cooch page, so wtf. 1612249;1486510340;mircea_popescu;by 2017 they must have gone through the "hai" "tits or gtfo" "uhh...." cycle at least 1k times. what, they need 1k more ? 1612250;1486510445;shinohai;No shit, saw this hamplanet girl getting boned by a guy in a horse mask today. Face for the world to see, no shame. 1612251;1486510467;shinohai;But ask then to take a topless pic with face "Oh shit, that's too much" 1612252;1486510504;mircea_popescu;she's probably got some scrawny horse at home and doesn't perceive the branch to swing to all that clearly. 1612253;1486510513;BingoBoingo;Stop asking dealing with mental defectives like hamplanets? 1612254;1486510541;mircea_popescu;he was making a simile 1612255;1486510570;BingoBoingo;But he prefaced it with "no shit" so I assume truefax 1612256;1486510647;mircea_popescu;"you're not even fat, what exactly is your problem ?" "PRECISELY that! I still hold on to my princess delusions because unlike the fatty, i've not been forced to abandon them yet." 1612257;1486510668;shinohai;^ 1612258;1486510752;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4GWP2NUoAA4Cbd.jpg <<< LMAO 1612259;1486510758;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that "civilisation" aka "liberal democracy" aka rank nonsense promises her "a job" doing nothing and a full trough every day, no matter what. the shit must be taken away, let the average girl worry about feeding herself, ukraine style. 1612260;1486510795;mircea_popescu;lel 1612261;1486510883;mircea_popescu;who does those ? 1612262;1486510958;mircea_popescu;but in other lulz : whenever a "liberal" dork points out that "the electoral college is broken because hillarious clinton got 52% of the popular vote", feel free to retort the inept hag carried less than 500 counties. out of over 3000. 1612263;1486510966;mircea_popescu;she's about 1 in 7. 1612264;1486511051;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612238 << 'trump's' usg is rather like that ameriexpat d00d's bangkok pub. that is, 'his' to ceremonially sit on. 1612265;1486511051;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 22:55 mircea_popescu: unlike the rich ivy leagues, it entirely lives off trump's charity. 1612266;1486511068;asciilifeform;e.g., berkeley, last i heard, not unplugged yet. 1612267;1486511078;mircea_popescu;berkley has endowments. umd, not so much. 1612268;1486511087;asciilifeform;nor cia generals directing ukrs, removed. etc 1612269;1486511097;mircea_popescu;in fact umd is exactly in the position of "the talented mr ripley" 1612270;1486511140;asciilifeform;~0 endowments in umd. it is funded by extorting md state treasury, and secondarily by milking chumps. 1612271;1486511163;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, that thing's been redone a few times, always hacky and with hacks. the original version - is with alain delon. see that, compare the ustardian ineptitude, it's a cultural shock about on the level of comparing the original diabolique with the ustardian remakes. really puts some light on the fundamental cultural inferiority of the new world.) 1612272;1486511723;shinohai;!~weather 1612273;1486511723;jhvh1;stormy with a chance of packeting 1612274;1486511856;ben_vulpes;stormy with a chance of popescurage 1612275;1486511879;mircea_popescu;heh 1612276;1486511888;mircea_popescu;i'm rather amused, tbh. 1612277;1486511907;mircea_popescu;diabolique with the ustardian remakes. really puts some light on the fundamental cultural inferiority of the new world.) 1612278;1486511908;mircea_popescu; asciilifeform so far in the ukraine the russians are on the move, the "goivernment controlled" areas shrinking. they just lost another rural shithole this morning 1612279;1486511912;mircea_popescu;and, amusingly, fake news are too busy stroking each other with bathrobe talk to say anything. and then expect anyone to think very much of them. hurr. 1612280;1486511917;mircea_popescu;that shit was so amusing, the collective sigh of relief on twitter, "finally, something we are qualified to discuss! bathrobes!" 1612281;1486511967;mircea_popescu;omfg check it out... no lag! too bad it gets laggy sometimes ~randomly~. hurr. 1612282;1486511992;asciilifeform;maybe the ftmeade pipe nao has lag, and so mircea_popescu's -- doesn't 1612283;1486512012;mircea_popescu;aww such battelfields of teh futures. 1612284;1486512022;mircea_popescu;don't tell me orcs have buttons too ?! 1612285;1486512118;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/XevSZ << in other lulz 1612286;1486512149;mircea_popescu;o hey, there's the other side ? 1612287;1486512204;mircea_popescu;"Leftists don’t merely disagree with you. They don’t merely feel you are misguided. They don’t think you are merely wrong. They hate you. They want you enslaved and obedient, if not dead." 1612288;1486512237;mircea_popescu;hey, the feeling is entyirely mutual. i don't simply think they're misguided, although they are, or for that matter wrong. i don't hate them, but there's no question of the world continuing on any other basis than the complete enslavement of any lefty anywhere. 1612289;1486512268;mircea_popescu;chains for the poor, whippings for the poor, feed children as little as they can bear and send them away from their mothers as soon as they can wlak, to slave in the house of another. 1612290;1486512272;asciilifeform;eh if the immune system worked, the tumour would not be basketball-sized. 1612291;1486512308;mircea_popescu;that's what built the british empire, that's EXACTLY what built european civilisation, and i would much rather cut a limb off any three year old than ever again encounter any of these unchecked, unhumbled, unhinged monstrosities "liberal our democracy" produces. 1612292;1486512354;mircea_popescu;fucking 7 year cycles, most of the idiots must be dead by the time they're 7 and people are looking for compliant cocksuckers to fill the scant page jobs available. 1612293;1486512423;mircea_popescu;for every hipster in a hipster beard and hat, a dozen innocent infants must lose a limb. 1612294;1486512725;mircea_popescu;maybe make a website for it too. "here's the dozen children that had to lose a limb because johnny mc fucksticks, "hacker and evanghelist" had really bad parents who didn't beat him." 1612295;1486512815;mircea_popescu;but in other butthurt, from thenewrepublic fake news outlet : "The term “fake news” outlived its usefulness almost as soon as it became common parlance, and is perhaps only valuable now as a marker for whether journalism that paints President Donald Trump in an unflattering light has reached his desk." ie, "our arm outlived its usefulness just as soon as the enemy broke it off our shoulder and started beating us in the he 1612296;1486512815;mircea_popescu;ad with it. shame on the arm!" 1612297;1486512817;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1612298;1486513602;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/rplxV << relatedly 1612299;1486513632;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : townhall.com significantly more widely read today than theatlantic.com ; i bow to your more relevant lulzlinks lol 1612300;1486513700;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes, they won't fucking yield, mostly because being a libertard means you have absolutely nothing else, so what exactly would be the difference between yielding and blowing oneself up ? they would, isis style, if they had the guts. 1612301;1486513726;mircea_popescu;so yes, it'll be either crush them now or crush them tomorrow or crush them next week etcetera. the only variable is how long the gnashing of teeth is to last. 1612302;1486513742;mircea_popescu;supposedly mercy killing is when you kill an injured animal on the spot, rather than torture it medically for a while first. 1612303;1486513766;mircea_popescu;then again, i am hard pressed to ground the proposition that the left shouldn't be tortured in anything palpable. why exactly not ? i have nfi. 1612304;1486513894;mircea_popescu;"And the frightening thing is that the Left is so foolish, so stuck in its bubble that it has no understanding that it can only push so far before the people with all the guns and all the training push back. That’s the problem with kids who were raised on participation trophies and who never got into a fistfight – they don’t consider the possibility that they will lose, and lose hard." << dude exactly has it. loudmouth 1612305;1486513894;mircea_popescu;derp who's never been punched imagines his edgy talk is something he can support because he has no life experience ; and will be shocked to discover that if you get yourself in the situation where you get punched, people don't usually stop after the first one, even though you switchedon a dime from tough talking dragon to whining little girl. 1612306;1486513991;mircea_popescu;but in any case - stomping into the ground anyone with "protests" is certainly the moral imperative of the age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zp953kVLs to quote the left's own agitprop. 1612307;1486514023;asciilifeform;the folx 'with the guns and training' were raped by washington (shay's rebellion), by hoover (bonus army), by johnson (vietnam), by bush/obummer (iraq bonus withdrawal, retroactive, evictions, dekulakizations.) somehow. 1612308;1486514060;mircea_popescu;well yeah. the veterans usually get fucked, from rome onwards. 1612309;1486514099;asciilifeform;the 1 time they didn't, was the winter palace thing. 1612310;1486514112;mircea_popescu;which is this ? 1612311;1486514138;asciilifeform;ww1 vets of ru, 1917. 1612312;1486514151;mircea_popescu;how exactly didn't they get the same baculum ? 1612313;1486514218;asciilifeform;'civil war' != 'go home sad' 1612314;1486514232;mircea_popescu;how not ? think of them as hookers. 1612315;1486514244;mircea_popescu;so they got fucked once and didn't get paid, so they went to the fucker's house to complain. 1612316;1486514256;mircea_popescu;who ... fucked once more, and allowed them to stay on, to get fucked more as the need may arise. 1612317;1486514264;mircea_popescu;this is a deal ? because why, they "got married" ? tyvm. 1612318;1486514269;mircea_popescu;they didn't go home happy. 1612319;1486514275;asciilifeform;mno. went to his house, and burned it to the ground, and fucked his daughters' neck stumps. 1612320;1486514295;asciilifeform;~then~ went on to get fucked by new folx, in new orifices. 1612321;1486514296;mircea_popescu;mno. hooker fucks, soldier fights. as the hooker fucked so the soldier fought. 1612322;1486514305;mircea_popescu;basically they fought another war for free because they weren't paid for he first one ? 1612323;1486514318;mircea_popescu;bitch, veteran = golden solidus and all the barbarian women in a county. that's the deal. 1612324;1486514327;mircea_popescu;not "come to palace cut more heads". 1612325;1486514349;mircea_popescu;wtf, suppose you're a plumber, go do a spot of work, dork refuses to pay, you go to courthouse to complain they make you do their plumbing too. this sounds like a deal to you ? 1612326;1486514369;mircea_popescu;you're only plumbing to get paid, it's not your fucking physiological function after all! 1612327;1486514383;asciilifeform;if 'their plumbing' means 'stitch malefactor's arse to his mouth' and take his gold -- then yes, deal. 1612328;1486514405;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that. ww1 veterans got gold ? what gold did they get ? 1612329;1486514510;mircea_popescu;you understand the ancient conception of war ? you raise a bunch of men, you go the next town over, you beat up all the guys, this is the work ; you fuck all the women and drink all the booze, this is the party (like what they do in sane jurisdiction during college games, the winning team gets the naked cheerleaders of tghe losers') ; then all the gold found on the premises is melted into one single thing and it is poured in 1612330;1486514510;mircea_popescu;as many equal rounds as there are men present. 1612331;1486514520;mircea_popescu;that's the solidus, a trophy of the victory. each soldier takes his home. 1612332;1486514535;mircea_popescu;to be traded away or kept, but in any case - his. his by right of war. 1612333;1486514568;asciilifeform;ww2 (and zhukov in particular, with his trains) was hilarious exhibit of orcs trying, hopelessly, to apply this principle to modern conveniences 1612334;1486514573;mircea_popescu;and the losers are to do what losers are to do, raise the children resultant. 1612335;1486514582;mircea_popescu;aha. 1612336;1486514583;asciilifeform;grunt can take the 'tic, tac' 40 watches home, but not the berlin train system 1612337;1486514611;mircea_popescu;germans were more practical, burn teh locals take the train system. 1612338;1486514613;asciilifeform;(though they did find a way to take zeiss home -- entire thing, men, machines, glass.) 1612339;1486514692;asciilifeform;quite likely there are folx in rural ru still shitting in toilets from reichstag to this day. 1612340;1486514854;asciilifeform;i suspect that modern folx see war as a snore at least partly because there is not so much that is to be carted away. killing, e.g., usg troops, is pest control. cockroaches - don't have gold. 1612341;1486514869;mircea_popescu;aha. 1612342;1486514872;mircea_popescu;this is very much so. 1612343;1486514881;mircea_popescu;kinda why war became asymmetric 1612344;1486514883;asciilifeform;vietnamese would not even take the rifles. 'this little black rifle is of no use to our cause.' --actual order 1612345;1486514897;mircea_popescu;well they were pretty shitty rifles. 1612346;1486514930;asciilifeform;it was the first swallow of the post-eisenhower spring. 1612347;1486514944;asciilifeform;(which birthed f35 et al.) 1612348;1486514966;mircea_popescu;pretty much yeah 1612349;1486514983;mircea_popescu;if it weren't for the needs of us industry to feel important and relevant, war'd have been fought with ak-47 on both sides. 1612350;1486514992;mircea_popescu;allowing the ru to superiorily lulz at teh orcs. 1612351;1486515011;asciilifeform;by some accounts, good share of the actual 2way fire exchanges, ~were~ with ak. 1612352;1486515096;asciilifeform;vietnam is a fascinating treasury of lulz, and quite well-documented. how, for instance, the command was mainly occupied with question of how to actually make the conscripts fight instead of 'travail arabe' imitation (consisting of retreat and shots fired for sound effect) 1612353;1486515130;asciilifeform;they settled on physically marooning the cannon fodder behind enemy lines, with chopper. hence that vehicle becoming iconic of the period. 1612354;1486515154;mircea_popescu;aha. otherwise dumbest thing ever, really, chopper as battle machine ?! 1612355;1486515186;mircea_popescu;why not those idiotic tank on stilts things from holywood "fiction" 1612356;1486515191;asciilifeform;they were cannonfodder-inserters first, gun platform -- distant second. 1612357;1486515240;asciilifeform;the latter works, in all fairness, quite well against folx with ~0 air defense. 1612358;1486515285;asciilifeform;(iirc, most airframes lost, at least according to Official histories, were accounted for by mechanical wear) 1612359;1486515524;shinohai;http://pornstar.id/ <<< pornstar facial recognition, actually kinda neat 1612360;1486518262;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: dulap has been down for like a month now? 1612361;1486518274;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: your node went down recently it looks like 1612362;1486518291;thestringpuller;as of current looks like there are no TRB nodes responding 1612363;1486518478;thestringpuller;(except deedbot) 1612364;1486518519;shinohai;mimisbrunnr is up 1612365;1486518531;thestringpuller;i can't find the IP in the logs 1612366;1486518596;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it's up, and even the heathen survey thing sees it 1612367;1486518604;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: problem is on your end 1612368;1486518617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not possible to have "0 air defense" to the level of making it safe for helicopter. 1612369;1486518621;mircea_popescu;a hunting rifle suffices. 1612370;1486518685;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: weird heathen survey connects on my VPN machine but not from my local network? 1612371;1486518698;thestringpuller;but don't thinkt that'd be problem ~_~ 1612372;1486518702;mircea_popescu;shinohai works swimmingly, identified all my social media bots. 1612373;1486518746;shinohai;:D 1612374;1486518763;asciilifeform;anyone other than thestringpuller has trb node that can't hear dulap ? 1612375;1486518794;shinohai;I can see it, and yes 21co sees it as well 1612376;1486518799;thestringpuller;ah yea. and I can hear it through proxy, but not directly from network 1612377;1486518817;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: out of curiosity-- what isp 1612378;1486518821;thestringpuller;ATT 1612379;1486518832;asciilifeform;gsm? 1612380;1486518849;thestringpuller;no. "UVerse" 1612381;1486518876;asciilifeform;what ~can~ you connect to? zoolag? 1612382;1486518888;asciilifeform;how about mircea_popescu's node 1612383;1486518925;thestringpuller;i can connect to deedbot 1612384;1486518943;thestringpuller;haven't tried MP-node 1612385;1486518956;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what does your build look like ? 1612386;1486518959;shinohai;oh god 4g lte 1612387;1486519013;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: one other thing: is there a prb node also on your lan? it might have led to malleus banhammering of your ip. 1612388;1486519047;asciilifeform;(supposing you're behind a nat) 1612389;1486519278;thestringpuller;cycled my modem, seems to have fixed it, if albeit temporarily... 1612390;1486519357;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if you're interested in a perma-cure, plz consider answering my qs 1612391;1486519369;thestringpuller;it's built on Debian Jessie frozen circa mid 2015 (except for sakurity updates) 1612392;1486519410;thestringpuller;no PRB nodes on the LAN 1612393;1486519473;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: this wouldn't be the first isp that tried to monkey with the naked bits , nor the last 1612394;1486519577;thestringpuller;only a matter of time before some ISP blocks all outgoing 8333 traffic 1612395;1486519599;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: most wireless carriers in usa -- already do afaik 1612396;1486519618;thestringpuller;and so the war goes on. 1612397;1486519626;thestringpuller;thx for your help asciilifeform 1612398;1486519763;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D140BCA0BB6C20C9AB25314C80770AB6DEAC6302A53ACA6E89CEA0A2D1DCC93D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1667...5417 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.27.33.66 (ssh-rsa key from 81.27.33.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (athena.argo.no. NO) 1612399;1486519763;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D140BCA0BB6C20C9AB25314C80770AB6DEAC6302A53ACA6E89CEA0A2D1DCC93D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1648...0553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.27.33.66 (ssh-rsa key from 81.27.33.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (athena.argo.no. NO) 1612400;1486519778;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612224 << gcc (Debain 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2 ; the problem is g++ won't install due to some dependency conflict in apt-get ; I don't know exactly what package(s) is(are) causing it... 1612401;1486519778;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 21:09 mod6: should be fine with gcc 4.9. 1612402;1486519810;asciilifeform;lemme guess, the conflict is the shitgcc it ships with 1612403;1486519856;asciilifeform;unless you have some peculiar reason for using this distro - throw it out. 1612404;1486519873;asciilifeform;get a known-working one. 1612405;1486519895;thestringpuller;habit. i'm likely going to nuke this one for gentoo. 1612406;1486519955;shinohai;gentoo definitely solves a lot of headaches 1612407;1486519984;thestringpuller;it's time consuming tho, but what good things aren't? 1612408;1486520368;shinohai;It isn't bad really. You can test drive in a chroot until you have time to build actual kernel. 1612409;1486520767;mod6;<+thestringpuller> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612224 << gcc (Debain 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2 ; the problem is g++ won't install due to some dependency conflict in apt-get ; I don't know exactly what package(s) is(are) causing it... << ahh, huh. well, if you ever figure out what it is, let us know. 1612410;1486520767;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 21:09 mod6: should be fine with gcc 4.9. 1612411;1486526863;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612127 << i actually heard that phrase verbatim from the nordics more than once in the past week 1612412;1486526863;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: ahahaha future is female get the fuck out of here. 1612413;1486527269;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612175 << if we're sticking to unix, should really be able to specify which random device to use, with /dev/random being fallback. of course they Solved it on Plan9 (tm), you can bind whatever endpoint as /dev/random in your process 1612414;1486527269;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 19:05 asciilifeform: and other proggies running on the box have 0 business knowing which serial ttys are rngs, which are terminals, and which -- nukes 1612415;1486527969;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612201 << i'm using that ip list that you pasted in round-robin for both bouncer and the bot, and subjectively shit's been dropping more frequently. 1612416;1486527969;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 20:05 mircea_popescu: i don't use their dns. 1612417;1486528576;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612232 << umd is a giant h1-b clearing house, when you take away that, there's nothing left. at a recent career fair i saw huge lines of azns and indians at google and facebook booths ("our wait time finally dropped below an hour so i could get away and grab lunch") 1612418;1486528576;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 21:18 asciilifeform: i.e. 'we will do exactly what we did under obummer, and fuck you, and oh hey did we mention, fuck you? and go ahead and try to pull fed funding, that button ain't connected' 1612419;1486528754;phf;i could count the natives on two hands, and only one or two with the right kinds of brains. on the other hand incredibly large number of "i have a ph.d. and a patent back in china, studying here for compsci undergrad" 1612420;1486528817;phf;first time you see a physics ph.d. with a patent you're kind of impressed, but when you have ten of them in a row.. 1612421;1486529755;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC8D740592710CE518B5F7A49138538DB9FB446895C13771C5760688B1F0C97B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...1713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.69.46.131 (ssh-rsa key from 80.69.46.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host.schnied.net. DE) 1612422;1486529755;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC8D740592710CE518B5F7A49138538DB9FB446895C13771C5760688B1F0C97B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...0359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.69.46.131 (ssh-rsa key from 80.69.46.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host.schnied.net. DE) 1612423;1486531347;phf;asciilifeform: http://www.bdsoft.com/resources/bdsc.html "An 8080/Z80 C Compiler" 1612424;1486537648;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1612425;1486537657;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1066.36, vol: 5760.53544584 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1047.0, vol: 6288.11426 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1067.0, vol: 15090.9745082 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1090.477953, vol: 17215.16550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1068.567, vol: 2227.40564737 | Volume-weighted last average: 1072.97262884 1612426;1486549680;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612411 << it's the periodic sort of idiocy ; you end up hearing it from sinking civilisations. the greeks thought "the future is female" and it survived ~1k years, as seen eg in the cathar heresy. 1612427;1486549680;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 04:07 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612127 << i actually heard that phrase verbatim from the nordics more than once in the past week 1612428;1486549724;mircea_popescu;the universal cure for it, as deployed by the french king, is raising special forces cavalry dedicated to raping the daugthers and castrating the husbands, and billeting it with the families in question. 1612429;1486549741;mircea_popescu;more or less the "refugee" thing. 1612430;1486549878;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612417 << quite exactly, yes. a fine example of the general principle in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612300 1612431;1486549878;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 04:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612232 << umd is a giant h1-b clearing house, when you take away that, there's nothing left. at a recent career fair i saw huge lines of azns and indians at google and facebook booths ("our wait time finally dropped below an hour so i could get away and grab lunch") 1612432;1486549878;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 00:28 mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, they won't fucking yield, mostly because being a libertard means you have absolutely nothing else, so what exactly would be the difference between yielding and blowing oneself up ? they would, isis style, if they had the guts. 1612433;1486550098;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612420 << and the first time you see a lord in full regalia it's also kind of impressing ; by the time the peasants made themselves replicas and every barefoot-in-the-mud haystack princess is embroidering her "crest" on pillows... 1612434;1486550098;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 04:40 phf: first time you see a physics ph.d. with a patent you're kind of impressed, but when you have ten of them in a row.. 1612435;1486551147;mircea_popescu;kind-of easy to forget (especially for the ustard who never knew) that there was a california a thousand years ago, and it was called languedoc. 1612436;1486551161;mircea_popescu;shit ended poorly for them. 1612437;1486551200;mircea_popescu;(after "they won't fucking yield" peacefully, without any sort of plan other than "we'll just keep on going". holocaust predictably followed.) 1612438;1486553394;mircea_popescu;!~google "donas e tozas e mulhers" 1612439;1486553396;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Siege of Toulouse (1217–18) - Wikipedia: ; Simon de Montfort, 5th Earl of Leicester - Wikipedia: ; Mulher recebe flores, mas percebe que buquê era para... o cachorro ...: (1 more message) 1612440;1486553436;mircea_popescu;dude how the fuck can google be this fucking useless.\ 1612441;1486553555;mircea_popescu;seriously, 500 fucking references, all of which to one of either "according to the most detailed sources" or "according to one source", or "apparently" or "legend" ? fuck me, really ? 1612442;1486553643;mircea_popescu;"E tiravan la donas e tozas e molhers e venc tot dreit la peira lai on era mestiers." how about that! what fucking magic is this, i wonder! you mean to tell me it's possible to KNOW THE FUCKING SOURCES as opposed to n-th hand idle commentary of no value or import ?! 1612443;1486557936;Reuel;Hi goys 1612444;1486557938;Reuel;guys* 1612445;1486558026;Reuel;When I am looking at the TRB site seals, I see more than one for each patch, does that mean code has been reviewed? 1612446;1486558043;Reuel;like an ok from different signers? 1612447;1486558144;Reuel;Also, in the spirit of what you guys are doing, I'd guess Ubuntu would not be the prefered system to run a bitcoin node on for serious use, do you have suggestions as to what to use? 1612448;1486558198;shinohai;Reuel: I'd say Gentoo myself, though trb *has* built countless times for me on Ubuntu/Debian 1612449;1486558291;Reuel;I will check that out, thx. 1612450;1486558378;Reuel;Yet, following the philosophy, then at some point one would want to build an OS this way, right? 1612451;1486558391;shinohai;I was a Debian fag for years until the Lordship convinced me of gentoo switch 1612452;1486558436;shinohai;Yup, whole lot less retardation. 1612453;1486558496;Reuel;And hardware isn't 100% safe either... ah I am drifting off anyway 1612454;1486572275;mircea_popescu;lol hi goys 1612455;1486572286;mircea_popescu;Reuel yes, that's what it imeans exactly. 1612456;1486572443;Reuel;ok, great 1612457;1486572568;mircea_popescu;!~calc 5.7 + 1.1 - 7 1612458;1486572569;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 5.7 + 1.1 - 7 = -0.1999999999999993 1612459;1486572585;mircea_popescu;^look ye and be amazed at the grandiose arithmetical future of alphabet, inc! 1612460;1486573816;mircea_popescu;!!rated lobbes 1612461;1486573816;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated lobbes 2 at 2015/02/05 20:41:28 << #eulora logs bot 1612462;1486573845;mircea_popescu;!!rate lobbes 3 eulora logs + auction bot, and altogether a very solid lordship candidate. 1612463;1486573846;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ib14G/?raw=true 1612464;1486574425;Reuel;does trb have the bitcoin-cli rpc stuff like the other implementation? 1612465;1486574671;mircea_popescu;that's all it has, there's no gui 1612466;1486574884;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Don't forget Qntra Qntributor http://qntra.net/author/lobbes/ 1612467;1486574900;mircea_popescu;right-o 1612468;1486574940;Reuel;ah yeah i hobbied a bit with the cli before, can't seem to find it now... i'll look harder 1612469;1486574953;mircea_popescu;Reuel pretty sure it has a --help 1612470;1486574966;shinohai;./bitcoind -? 1612471;1486575218;Reuel;was this built from scratch btw? 1612472;1486575302;mircea_popescu;what's your definition of scratch ? it was built from genesis, which is a historical client deemed closest to "no nsa involvement" 1612473;1486575345;Reuel;right 1612474;1486575440;shinohai;http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html <<< is pretty self explanatory ... phf also has a nice source viewer which is helpful for reading the code. 1612475;1486575717;thestringpuller;!~s EC_KEY 1612476;1486575717;jhvh1;thestringpuller: Error: "s" is not a valid command. 1612477;1486575722;thestringpuller;!#s EC_KEY 1612478;1486575722;a111;2 results for "EC_KEY", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=EC_KEY 1612479;1486575915;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612462 << /me bows. I am honored to serve 1612480;1486575915;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 17:10 mircea_popescu: !!rate lobbes 3 eulora logs + auction bot, and altogether a very solid lordship candidate. 1612481;1486576966;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-capitalism/ << Trilema - The New Capitalism 1612482;1486577462;mircea_popescu;^ plox to lemme know what you think 1612483;1486577544;mircea_popescu;lobbes if you don't feel like writing account infrastructure of your own, prolly best wait for trinque to complete the deedbot thing. 1612484;1486578013;trinque;speaking of which, ben_vulpes, I'm hacking on the raw protocol logging thing today for a bit. dunno if you did anything there to get ACTION working with logs.bvulpes.com 1612485;1486578066;trinque;I'm gonna need that to finish logbot-wot (handles voicing model and ratings), after which the thing's modular, ready to release (and accept other Lords patches) 1612486;1486578182;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 1612487;1486578691;mircea_popescu;trinque but anyway, here's a directly evident usage already, guy starts auction in #eulora, lobbesbot makes him a bill, guy goes !!pay http://bill 1612488;1486578711;mircea_popescu;we'll have to have a standardized bill form i guess. 1612489;1486578746;mircea_popescu;possibly they should exist as deeds for that matter. 1612490;1486578826;mircea_popescu;at least if they do we'll get to explore the "automate signed" space cheaply enough. 1612491;1486578942;trinque;deeding them is attractive from the operator's perspective 1612492;1486579160;ben_vulpes;trinque: no, i settled for hooking into ctcp-action-message 1612493;1486579210;trinque;nbd 1612494;1486579214;*;trinque shall hax 1612495;1486586796;Reuel; mircea_popescu, i am geting blocks so i guess i built TRB, what would you suggest i do next? you mentioned mimisbrunnr, looking at that now, anything practical I could do except read? 1612496;1486586837;BingoBoingo;Reuel: Watch it sync, note and debug any pauses 1612497;1486586859;BingoBoingo;!~s 168000 1612498;1486586860;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "s" is not a valid command. 1612499;1486586994;Reuel;sure 1612500;1486593705;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612483 << yeah, I'm fine with trinque handling the payment portion of the process, and I shouldn't have any issues getting lobbesbot to handle the billing portion 1612501;1486593705;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 18:12 mircea_popescu: lobbes if you don't feel like writing account infrastructure of your own, prolly best wait for trinque to complete the deedbot thing. 1612502;1486596486;ben_vulpes;https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-chat 1612503;1486596561;shinohai;heh ben_vulpes I saw that earlier. 1612504;1486596593;shinohai;I tried to install it in a sandbox, naturally it says "Oh you are a speshul case because you dont share your private keyz with us" 1612505;1486596654;trinque;shinohai what, that's easier! 1612506;1486596893;shinohai;not when your keys are airgapped 1612507;1486596900;shinohai;but, keybase 1612508;1486596994;trinque;!!up framedaddy_ghett 1612509;1486596994;deedbot;framedaddy_ghett voiced for 30 minutes. 1612510;1486597010;trinque;who is your framedaddydaddy and what does he do? 1612511;1486597032;framedaddy_ghett;my stack is too small to handle that chain 1612512;1486597040;framedaddy_ghett;oh, there. 1612513;1486597075;framedaddy_ghett;basically, whole hosting provider's network went down, unannounced, including all their services etc. funtimes! 1612514;1486597095;framedaddy_ghett;(autorecovery seems to have worked, which is always nice) 1612515;1486597103;shinohai;!~later tell mod6 3 builds with exp V ... Deb, African, and Gentoo. All worx 1612516;1486597103;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1612517;1486597131;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/08/the-shallow-depths-of-the-apparent-deep/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The shallow depths of the apparent deep. 1612518;1486597507;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1612519;1486597528;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1050.59, vol: 9616.71752270 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1029.999, vol: 7470.47495 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1047.8, vol: 23089.09984459 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1051.561, vol: 2949.29081892 | Volume-weighted last average: 1045.59576314 1612520;1486597603;thestringpuller;shinohai: which Deb? 1612521;1486597607;thestringpuller;Jessie? 1612522;1486597636;shinohai;Well I tested with wheezy and jessie, mod6 knows my lingo by now (i hope) 1612523;1486597874;thestringpuller;ah. do you have an image name for the wheezy you used? i just wanna try it out lol 1612524;1486598077;shinohai;thestringpuller: I honestly don't want to encourage you to continue to use Deb for obvious reasons .... but it's just vanilla wheezy 1612525;1486598143;shinohai;The only reason I am still testing Deb/Ubuntu at this point is to help potential noobs that have a smidgen of an idea how to operate linux 1612526;1486598931;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/the-circle-explore-method/ << Daniel P. Barron - The Circle Explore Method 1612527;1486599187;danielpbarron;heh, i typed up the xml file manually to make it do that 1612528;1486599240;ben_vulpes;lol, dedication 1612529;1486599302;shinohai;I manually made buttons to explore and return to town in xml xD 1612530;1486599319;shinohai;one for irc but kept messing up client 1612531;1486603365;shinohai;#chainstate ..... so much better than irc.cpp 1612532;1486604599;mod6;shinohai: +1 outstanding work! thanks for testing those for me. much appreciated. 1612533;1486604866;shinohai;o7 1612534;1486605476;mircea_popescu;trinque what do you think re bill, line 1 name, line 2 amount in satoshi, all likes prefixed by a # memo field ? 1612535;1486605493;mircea_popescu;nothing else is needed or wanted , or is there ? 1612536;1486605589;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612495 << if your trb node is on solid hardware might as well add it to the list of nodes ; otherwise there's an ample swath of thingd to do, depends what your inclination is. i suggested looking into mimisbrunnr in the context of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-29#1609460 1612537;1486605589;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 20:46 Reuel: mircea_popescu, i am geting blocks so i guess i built TRB, what would you suggest i do next? you mentioned mimisbrunnr, looking at that now, anything practical I could do except read? 1612538;1486605589;a111;Logged on 2017-01-29 17:56 mircea_popescu: then you can look through mimisbrunnr and see the sort of load bitcoin db implies, then you'll be in a fine position to model adequate tests for the profiling thing above 1612539;1486605786;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612504 << o noes, and i thought keybase is srs bzns of crypto, doesn't try to scam privkeys out of users. 1612540;1486605786;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 23:29 shinohai: I tried to install it in a sandbox, naturally it says "Oh you are a speshul case because you dont share your private keyz with us" 1612541;1486605858;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612513 <<< o noes, but i thought internets are srs bidniss run by like professional corporates etc! 1612542;1486605858;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 23:37 framedaddy_ghett: basically, whole hosting provider's network went down, unannounced, including all their services etc. funtimes! 1612543;1486605882;mircea_popescu;whole fucking stack consists of pictures of cats clicking upboat on pictures of dogs going "i have no idea what's going on". 1612544;1486606147;shinohai;I'm not Framedragger or asciilifeform levell but I've had my eye own them from inception 1612545;1486606175;mircea_popescu;who are them here ? 1612546;1486606215;shinohai;them = keybase 1612547;1486606235;mircea_popescu;ah ah yea 1612548;1486606258;mircea_popescu;in other news, checking out the latest trump news is like fucking catnip, total unintentional comedy & butthurt goldmine. 1612549;1486606273;shinohai;Why the insistence I upload mah pk 1612550;1486606278;mod6;'easy d' lol 1612551;1486606395;mircea_popescu;pk ? 1612552;1486606421;mircea_popescu;anyway, apparently melania trump worked as a high end escort, sez daily mail ? i never had the pleasure, but seriously, wouldn't you WANT a president whose daugther is keen ? 1612553;1486606505;shinohai;*pk = privkey 1612554;1486606666;mircea_popescu;ah ah 1612555;1486606937;mircea_popescu;"i have nfi who thios coretta king person is". totally. 1612556;1486606980;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's a harsh blow to the socialist dorks to realise that no, being "an activist" doesn't mean you're someone. every yoko ono out there shudders, and that's... most of the movement. 1612557;1486607113;mircea_popescu;anyway. warren becoming the libertard schelling point is possibly the best thing for sanity. she's utterly terrible. 1612558;1486607412;mircea_popescu;selected fake news butthurt : https://archive.is/VJCqA 1612559;1486612409;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/18b0b3a13a75ed537a94955d7ec082e8/tumblr_o7yhg27Se91v0oj9oo2_500.gif 1612560;1486613206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-capitalism/#comment-121289 1612561;1486613233;asciilifeform;http://www.trobar.org/troubadours/montan/montan2.php << found by way of the not-so-great www sources. 1612562;1486613282;mircea_popescu;o hai. was just answering 1612563;1486613309;*;asciilifeform sick in bed all day, caught up on l0gz, about to return to same. 1612564;1486613415;mircea_popescu;there you go. 1612565;1486613435;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu ! 1612566;1486613448;asciilifeform;pretty good bed-reading. 1612567;1486613578;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1612568;1486613861;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Beautiful new blog layout! 1612569;1486613887;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612526 << i saw this and immediately expected it to be about the spiral 'torpedo' search strategy, but nope 1612570;1486613887;a111;Logged on 2017-02-09 00:08 deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/the-circle-explore-method/ << Daniel P. Barron - The Circle Explore Method 1612571;1486613937;asciilifeform;( pretty spiffy hot-cold search algo used in torpedo and some types of ir-guided rocket. possibly generalizable to n-dimensions ) 1612572;1486614007;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612539 << i am unaware of 'keybase' in any ~other~ context but 'ploy for scamming privkeys out of idiots' 1612573;1486614007;a111;Logged on 2017-02-09 02:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612504 << o noes, and i thought keybase is srs bzns of crypto, doesn't try to scam privkeys out of users. 1612574;1486614031;mircea_popescu;heh. 1612575;1486614140;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612513 << somehow this unfailingly happens to every d00d who works with tmsr. reminisce nostalgically of the old days when kgb did not have to take down an entire building to plant one phone bug. 1612576;1486614140;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 23:37 framedaddy_ghett: basically, whole hosting provider's network went down, unannounced, including all their services etc. funtimes! 1612577;1486614238;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612423 << this is very spiffy phf . didja ever use 'microc' under msdos? similar. 1612578;1486614238;a111;Logged on 2017-02-08 05:22 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.bdsoft.com/resources/bdsc.html "An 8080/Z80 C Compiler" 1612579;1486614308;asciilifeform;(though for n00bz i will point out, c compilers as a class did not get much play in the z80 days, because everybody programmed in asm (well, in codes, most folx asmed on paper , by hand) 1612580;1486614311;trinque;goes without saying but hey, back your shit up locally, folks 1612581;1486614326;asciilifeform;) 1612582;1486614352;*;trinque had namecheap "oh we deleted your records but you noticed, so we removed the penis. what penis, even?" while back 1612583;1486614374;mircea_popescu;i recall 1612584;1486614406;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612534 << sounds sensible to me 1612585;1486614406;a111;Logged on 2017-02-09 01:57 mircea_popescu: trinque what do you think re bill, line 1 name, line 2 amount in satoshi, all likes prefixed by a # memo field ? 1612586;1486614428;mircea_popescu;prolly should add line 3, block count where bill is due. 1612587;1486614472;trinque;makes sense. and "this is paid when the precise amount of satoshi moves to my account" ? 1612588;1486614506;mircea_popescu;so something like http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tOSaM/?raw=true 1612589;1486614699;mircea_popescu;trinque well if they're deeds then i say something like !!pay http://deedbot.org/deed-451136-1.txt and deedbot responds with 451136-1.txt paid or insufficient funds or somesuch 1612590;1486614792;mircea_popescu;of course im not so sure tight coupling between deeds and bills is such a good idea. 1612591;1486614818;trinque;right, previous threads on opposability are coming to mind 1612592;1486614836;mircea_popescu;of course in principle deedbot could work as it works now, take any url, if shoe fits it pays. 1612593;1486614845;mircea_popescu;so if user wants to deed fine, if not, no. 1612594;1486614913;mircea_popescu;that opens up the "omfg why did you pay bill at http://scambills.org/roflcopter.txt it wasn't me!!" to which the retort is hey, sfyl, next time don't let someone else log into #trilema as you. 1612595;1486614938;asciilifeform;^ ups the ante for fleanode-diddling tho. 1612596;1486614944;trinque;might be a good thing 1612597;1486614958;mircea_popescu;for one, yes, good thing ; for the otherdeedbot can still limit payments to voiced ppls. 1612598;1486614967;mircea_popescu;so you know, if you pass a !!up... 1612599;1486614972;trinque;also payment can just challenge with OTP 1612600;1486614984;mircea_popescu;should yes. 1612601;1486614986;*;trinque planned on that 1612602;1486615108;mircea_popescu;there;s a lot of flexibility here. i mean i can see the value in terms of both ease of use and discovering how frail the system is to not bother with opt challenge ; on the other i can see the value in terms of solidity and so on to do bother. 1612603;1486615436;trinque;perhaps sensible to leave it to choice here as well. 1612604;1486615453;trinque;I provide some command to flip the challenge-me bit 1612605;1486615484;trinque;folks want to use it out on a night of drinking, can. want to hold it more tightly, also can 1612606;1486615670;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1612607;1486615698;mircea_popescu;i mean suppose what'll now forever be known as the phf problem : you find yourself stranded in tijuana with a drunk slut in bed. you want to buy breakfast. wut do ? 1612608;1486615712;mircea_popescu;!!up mthreat 1612609;1486615712;deedbot;mthreat voiced for 30 minutes. 1612610;1486615726;mircea_popescu;o.O 1612611;1486615752;trinque;speak of the diddle 1612612;1486615757;mircea_popescu;!!up mthreat 1612613;1486615757;deedbot;mthreat voiced for 30 minutes. 1612614;1486615760;mthreat;lol 1612615;1486615771;asciilifeform;cosmicray! 1612616;1486615846;mthreat;mircea_popescu: how's BA? 1612617;1486615864;mircea_popescu;as shitty as always. 1612618;1486615875;mircea_popescu;how's texas enjoying the pussygrab ? 1612619;1486615902;mthreat;ride 'em cowboy 1612620;1486615910;mircea_popescu;lel 1612621;1486616239;trinque;mthreat: whereabouts in tx? 1612622;1486616287;mthreat;austin 1612623;1486616305;trinque;ah I think maybe we had this conversation already 1612624;1486616316;trinque;anyhow that's a californian exclave by now right? 1612625;1486616352;mthreat;yeah all the rich californians coming into the third world here 1612626;1486616445;mircea_popescu;bwahaha. "just as hot as back home, except lots and lots of animals to save!" 1612627;1486622878;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/kings-bounty-reloaded-mages-still-rule/ << Trilema - King's Bounty Reloaded - Mages Still Rule 1612628;1486625442;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6528 1612629;1486626339;BingoBoingo;http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8741 1612630;1486628430;phf;^ reminds me of a 90s ru joke, a "new russian" (i.e. mobster) is showing off a piano in his giant mansion lobby. so the friend goes "you know how to play it?" "no, but i got some egghead stopping by tonight to show me how" 1612631;1486643768;mircea_popescu;lel. 1612632;1486643900;mircea_popescu;and in other clams'n'snails, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb4h6snWex1rg58a9o6_500.gif 1612633;1486644343;mircea_popescu;"Boston University's Charles River Campus is cancelling daytime and evening classes on Thursday, February 9, 2017 as of 6:00 AM. All academic and administrative activities (e.g. classes, seminars, student activities and meetings) that are scheduled to take place are cancelled." << global warming gave boston a winter storm the likes of which was rarely seen. 1612634;1486644404;mircea_popescu;20 inches of snow apparently. 1612635;1486654313;*;shinohai reads latest trilema, waits for mircea_popescu to tip fedora 1612636;1486654476;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-plumbin-plumber/ << Trilema - The Plumbin' Plumber 1612637;1486654938;thestringpuller;Why are OpenSSL types so ridiculous to work with? EC_KEY needs to plug into BIO which has to plug into TTY before you can even print the thing to stdout or a string. 1612638;1486654962;thestringpuller;libsecp256k1 is even worse from what little glances of it 1612639;1486656234;asciilifeform;in other olds, 1612640;1486656241;asciilifeform;'Another unsuccessful rocket torpedo inventor was Patrick Cunningham, an Irish immigrant who earned his living as a shoe maker and repairer in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Samples were tested for several years at NTS but the short range and wholly unpredictable trajectory destined this weapon for the scrap heap. However, in one last fling of exuberance, Cunningham fired his torpedo down the main street of his home town; it roared along 1612641;1486656241;asciilifeform;her’s shop where it burned down the ice room.' 1612642;1486656318;asciilifeform;...roared along at very high speed before coming to rest in the butcher’s shop where it burned down the ice room.' 1612643;1486658292;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1612644;1486658300;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 986.0, vol: 22398.26328720 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 968.483, vol: 15891.5575 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 979.07, vol: 50196.59104347 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 996.632, vol: 27158.27450000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 983.136, vol: 5954.70531136 | Volume-weighted last average: 983.084341579 1612645;1486658718;mircea_popescu;sounds very maga-ish 1612646;1486661687;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/02/09/27 1612647;1486661777;mircea_popescu;bweahahaha knights for socialism, bash the fash, leftist fight club ? epic. 1612648;1486661855;asciilifeform;'We found a few extended regex expressions in GNU libc that will crash or abort the execution of regcomp or regexec. For instance: \a?{1,32767} will immediately exhaust the stack calling calc_eclosure_iter in the compilation. A small variation of this regex is: \a?{0,32767} will consume a very large amount of memory: it seems to eat 16GB in less than a minute. It is also possible to exhaust the stack memory trying to parse...' 1612649;1486662346;mircea_popescu;lel 1612650;1486662359;mircea_popescu;apparently "enclosure calculation" is a fundamental braindamage of ustards ? 1612651;1486662492;asciilifeform;drepper is a 'ustard' ? 1612652;1486662779;mircea_popescu;buncha fosstards "reviewed" thje code yes ? 1612653;1486662813;asciilifeform;incidentally -- there is more to this crapolade than meets the naked eye. regexp is a fundamentally braindamaged concept -- not only in the way described by naggum (how do you infer false positives?) but also in the haskellian idiocy where 'reasonable' and 'thermonuclear self-annihilation' programs look nearly identical, and distinguishing them is np-hard 1612654;1486663010;asciilifeform;( see also, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3182471178876789@naggum.net.html ) 1612655;1486663184;mircea_popescu;wut do ? 1612656;1486663403;asciilifeform;the expulsion of 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repair 1612657;1486663403;asciilifeform;ers, handymen, the auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills.' ( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241270848355795@naggum.no.html ) would go a long way. 1612658;1486663448;asciilifeform;regex belongs in the tool chest next to 'duct tape'. 1612659;1486665029;mircea_popescu;so you want no regexp ? 1612660;1486665307;asciilifeform;certainly not as part of any permanent public structure. 1612661;1486665311;asciilifeform;any moar than 'superglue'. 1612662;1486665321;asciilifeform;it is properly a 'harem object'. 1612663;1486665372;asciilifeform;rather like that tape that one uses to keep car muffler from falling down on the way to the welder's shop. 1612664;1486665711;thestringpuller;duct tape is useful for actual ducting... 1612665;1486665724;thestringpuller;ventilation et. al. 1612666;1486665869;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i love the way the comments work on your blog. brilliant! 1612667;1486665999;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-plumber-rampant/ << Trilema - The Plumber Rampant 1612668;1486670397;BingoBoingo; duct tape is useful for actual ducting... << NO!!! For that you need a Mastic Ducting tape! 1612669;1486670447;BingoBoingo;Common "Duct tape" is too vulnerable to temperature fluctuations and decomposition to be useful on ducts 1612670;1486670581;mircea_popescu;i thought mastic was for sniffing 1612671;1486670642;BingoBoingo;mastic is an entire class of stuff 1612672;1486670650;BingoBoingo;But yes, generally sniffable 1612673;1486671240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: just when you thought this can't get any lulzier: '...resource exhaustion issues which can be triggered only with crafted patterns (either during compilation or execution) are not treated as security bugs.' ( https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Security%20Exceptions ) 1612674;1486671779;mircea_popescu;fucking epic. so - putin asks trump about extending the START, trump says it's a bullshit deal. 1612675;1486671786;BingoBoingo;lol 1612676;1486671790;BingoBoingo;MWGA! 1612677;1486671809;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nice heh. 1612678;1486672627;mircea_popescu;in other somewhat lulz, https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2017/01/25/12/trump-abortion-2.jpg 1612679;1486672639;mircea_popescu;teh lady doth protest, but she looks unconvinced. 1612680;1486672654;asciilifeform;..that's a woman??! 1612681;1486672681;mircea_popescu;lotta these ^ shaped mouths on fatties in attendance huh 1612682;1486672697;mircea_popescu;sorta suggests pelagic fish to me. *nom* 1612683;1486672931;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/pboc-coordinates-action-among-chinese-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-again-anti-money-laundering-being-pushed/ << Qntra - PBOC Coordinates Action Among Chinese fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Again: Anti-Money Laundering Being Pushed 1612684;1486673007;BingoBoingo;^ Original People's Republic seems to want to Bahamas 1612685;1486673044;mircea_popescu;by some strange law of conservation there's always an idiot in the room. 1612686;1486673075;mircea_popescu;apparently it's ~really~ hard to learn from what happened to mrs pantsuits. 1612687;1486673261;BingoBoingo;Hard to formulate a law of idiocy when well of idiocy is too deep to explore. 1612688;1486674791;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/internet-transit-provider-cogent-communications-blocking-pirate-sites/ << Qntra - Internet Transit Provider Cogent Communications Blocking Pirate Sites 1612689;1486675643;mircea_popescu;apparently there's such a thing as hashbang.sh 1612690;1486675788;mircea_popescu;some kind of non-republican uci attempt ? 1612691;1486678410;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun see anything 'uci' about it -- looks like a script that serves up a shell? 1990s parlour trick 1612692;1486679167;asciilifeform;( and, unsurprisingly, lives and dies by linux's attempt at userland process separation ) 1612693;1486680091;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8D4Xi/?raw=true << lisp folks, shouldn't this work? 1612694;1486680151;trinque;the connection in that slot is definitely eql to the one in the specializer 1612695;1486680924;trinque;kind gentleman in #lisp points out that the second arg ought to be a list 1612696;1486685864;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/9th-circuit-refuses-to-reject-order-staying-trump-executive-action/ << Qntra - 9th Circuit Refuses To Reject Order Staying Trump Executive Action 1612697;1486688139;asciilifeform;soooo apparently they had fat-reddit back in ye olden dayz: http://www.trobar.org/troubadours/misc/anonymous_porquiera.php 1612698;1486688312;BingoBoingo;WIN!!! 1612699;1486690725;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/43A6BC6935DFBEFB1C7F837052CA00BE7A794CB3CE8D8F5A05D7EE1DD7E1E007 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1527...8777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.240.5.5 (ssh-rsa key from 77.240.5.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (anyterm.org. GB DBY ENG) 1612700;1486690725;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/43A6BC6935DFBEFB1C7F837052CA00BE7A794CB3CE8D8F5A05D7EE1DD7E1E007 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1366...7609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.240.5.5 (ssh-rsa key from 77.240.5.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (anyterm.org. GB DBY ENG) 1612701;1486691022;mircea_popescu;mirthful swineherd indeed 1612702;1486691487;mircea_popescu;holy shit the "this poem is not as cryptic" note is shocking. 1612703;1486691497;mircea_popescu;how can these people be so FUCKING STUPID omfg 1612704;1486691835;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D89210ED57D5989FC16C7F33D5047D11E9F0BB4B382B8CBA66702A6492D5F4A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1678...7003 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.5.53.30 (ssh-rsa key from 210.5.53.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown NZ AUK) 1612705;1486691836;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D89210ED57D5989FC16C7F33D5047D11E9F0BB4B382B8CBA66702A6492D5F4A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1445...5763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.5.53.30 (ssh-rsa key from 210.5.53.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown NZ AUK) 1612706;1486692167;mircea_popescu;join #weechat 1612707;1486692438;mircea_popescu;that was a typo sorry :) was just checking the thing out. 1612708;1486692462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in odd news : https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xF82F4B16DEC408F8 wasn't in phuctor (i just added it manually). 1612709;1486692494;*;shinohai <3's weechat 1612710;1486692497;asciilifeform;'Have you ever wanted SSH or telnet access to your system from an “internet desert” - from behind a strict firewall, from an internet cafe, or even from a mobile phone? Anyterm is a combination of a web page and a process that runs on your web server that provides this access...' 1612711;1486692504;asciilifeform;lulzy 1612712;1486692507;mircea_popescu;or hm, strike that. i dunno why but the gpgfp/ url 404'd for me. must have typoed it 1612713;1486692530;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idea is not without merit, whatever doubts in the implementation. 1612714;1486692586;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: similar (i never used, however) is https://mosh.org 1612715;1486692601;asciilifeform;probably there are 1,001 of these. 1612716;1486692631;mircea_popescu;aha. our democracy will do nothing better than waste its resources. 1612717;1486693013;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at pussygrabbing ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bdca4e216571d0d234a97d25105b413e/tumblr_okmlsscQFn1v510bao1_500.gif 1612718;1486693036;shinohai;yummy 1612719;1486693058;mod6;niiice 1612720;1486693100;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C24LTjnWEAE0iN0.jpg << check it out, apparently the french have like, humour and like webcomics and everything just like normal people. 1612721;1486693108;mircea_popescu;they possibly even program computers. 1612722;1486693822;ben_vulpes;this is getting annoying. 1612723;1486693853;mircea_popescu;wassat ? 1612724;1486694310;ben_vulpes;quite regular with the disconnects 1612725;1486694319;shinohai;http://archive.is/oH9Gl <<< Cute, an Ethereum founder gonna fix Bitcoin. 1612726;1486694933;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes oh you too ? 1612727;1486694938;mircea_popescu;!!up drews 1612728;1486694938;deedbot;drews voiced for 30 minutes. 1612729;1486694952;drews;yap 1612730;1486694963;mircea_popescu;aaand who might you be. 1612731;1486695004;drews;i want know who is owner of ihr.foundation 1612732;1486695026;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 1612733;1486697548;ben_vulpes;!!up drews 1612734;1486697548;deedbot;drews voiced for 30 minutes. 1612735;1486697575;ben_vulpes;drews: mod6 operates thebitcoin.foundation, if you made that typo 1612736;1486698753;mircea_popescu;in other news, what the fuck is a "blockchain developer" 1612737;1486698793;mircea_popescu;i suppose lockheed martin is a gravity developer ? 1612738;1486699082;mircea_popescu;oh and in other lolz, i am apparently the first to have come up with "fakettorney" as far as google's concerned. 1612739;1486700178;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9EE551BF5B1DBE96D10E616076AA99A617A5A85B75B421486AB5FB5D92E1C07D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1073...1643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '222.222.34.219 (ssh-rsa key from 222.222.34.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (219.34.222.222.broad.sj.he.dynamic.163data.com.cn. CN 13) 1612740;1486700178;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9EE551BF5B1DBE96D10E616076AA99A617A5A85B75B421486AB5FB5D92E1C07D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9870...7067 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '222.222.34.219 (ssh-rsa key from 222.222.34.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (219.34.222.222.broad.sj.he.dynamic.163data.com.cn. CN 13) 1612741;1486702150;BingoBoingo;OMG, NBC aired the word "tulpa" tonight! 1612742;1486702701;mircea_popescu;heh 1612743;1486702707;mircea_popescu;what'd they say ? 1612744;1486703074;BingoBoingo;Apparently they premised a TV show episode around it 1612745;1486703345;mircea_popescu;the problem with cultural appropriation as a content generation strategy is that it only works if there's a fucking culture in the first place. 1612746;1486703376;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they 'modernized' a 'dr jeckyll and mr. hyde' or wut 1612747;1486703382;mircea_popescu;ustards, ever smarter than the next ustard, managed to build this system whereby nobody has to do any work and everyone has hats through stealing the neigbour's. how the fuck that system's supposed to work is anyone's guess, but here we go : 1612748;1486703401;mircea_popescu;averagetard excepts to crochet a culture out of what he sees on tv and tv expects to crochet programming out of averagetard culture. 1612749;1486703415;mircea_popescu;the pain and suffering echo chamber resultant is supposed to come as a surprise i guess ? 1612750;1486703820;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Anti-free will episode 1612751;1486703881;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how's that wurk? i thought 'tulpas' were supposed to be specifically ~deliberately~ grown multiple personalities 1612752;1486703911;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Grown, but subsumed original redditard 1612753;1486704002;BingoBoingo;relatit https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Ic-16XAAARl0q.jpg 1612754;1486704008;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/idhye << to quote $wot, "try our reboot, new look, same great mongo, even more dick-holding" 1612755;1486704049;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A10CB982E980E0891F0F2E0DB271AD78A0D6600BE5DB278F33A5EE762EF4506 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1433...4183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.150.209.248 (ssh-rsa key from 69.150.209.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US TX) 1612756;1486704049;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A10CB982E980E0891F0F2E0DB271AD78A0D6600BE5DB278F33A5EE762EF4506 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1681...1437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.150.209.248 (ssh-rsa key from 69.150.209.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US TX) 1612757;1486704060;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wtf is "parse" 1612758;1486704092;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: eldritch horror 1612759;1486704099;mircea_popescu;oh mkay, "Clash of kings" 1612760;1486704109;ben_vulpes;you know how mobile devs can't in2 servers? 1612761;1486704110;mircea_popescu;apple spam"game" 1612762;1486704113;ben_vulpes;it was 1612763;1486704115;ben_vulpes;oh god 1612764;1486704122;asciilifeform;why am i reading this, ben_vulpes 1612765;1486704140;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: to revel in others suffering ofc 1612766;1486704157;mircea_popescu;lmao "sold as a package deal with fb advertising" 1612767;1486704163;asciilifeform;i liked BingoBoingo's kunstkamer moar 1612768;1486704167;mircea_popescu;you are reading this, asciilifeform , because in your head you imagine the empire works. 1612769;1486704181;ben_vulpes;bezos does this thing with the timeshare where he'll keep a virtual instance image warmish and boot it when the rest of the system says "hey we got a request for that instance" 1612770;1486704184;ben_vulpes;well 1612771;1486704188;mircea_popescu;IT DOES NOT. it's not just that "traction - 1mn apps, largest with 40mn users" means ~same as zip 1612772;1486704200;mircea_popescu;it's that the core parts of mordor infrastructure aren't even worth operating. 1612773;1486704216;ben_vulpes;near as i can tell, and it tripped my retard alerts fast so i didn't invest much in determining how it works, someone used that to make a "database as a service" for mobiledevz 1612774;1486704231;ben_vulpes;which to quasiquote mircea_popescu "what is even a native mobile developer" 1612775;1486704256;ben_vulpes;anyways, it never worked despite facebook buying and trying to make it do so 1612776;1486704275;mircea_popescu;"Technical problem I: complicated rate limiting. If limit exceeded by a factor of 60 for a minute, requests were dropped. Limits were tracked using a shared Memcache instance. Consequence: when developers experienced rate limits in the API, they added retries. The retries incurred enormous load in the Parse backend." <<< translation : "we are three years old. wut is dis ?" 1612777;1486704288;ben_vulpes;and to quote myself in another channel, "soz for cynicism but if it looks like madness and a tower of abstractions written by frontend devs who don't in2 systems...it probably is." 1612778;1486704294;mircea_popescu;these fucktards, unqualified to wipe their own drool, dare dream of "revolutionizing the way that..." ? wtf, 1612779;1486704297;BingoBoingo;Anyways the alerts that feed the art room are varied https://archive.is/kSI0y 1612780;1486704312;mircea_popescu;where's that cartoon about "hey guise, i heard about bitcoin/sex/eating/world yesterday, I AM HERE TO FIX IT" 1612781;1486704327;BingoBoingo;On Trilema!!! 1612782;1486704332;mircea_popescu;a right. 1612783;1486704337;mircea_popescu;pity nobody reads trilema. 1612784;1486704342;BingoBoingo;lol 1612785;1486704357;mircea_popescu;no dude, obscure service had 1mn apps of 40mn users each! 1612786;1486704380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'apps' ain't 'the empire' tho, they're panem et circenses 1612787;1486704397;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform facebook entirely exists out of spamming bs apple games. 1612788;1486704450;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much that + "stories from around the web -- find out the secret glassblowers don't want you to know about how a mother of two in vincente lopez lost five kgs off her coffee mug each morning one weird trick!" 1612789;1486704451;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612725 << "It also takes miners -- despite their state of the art equipment, access to electricity, and cooling -- increasingly longer to verify bitcoin transactions" oh get right the fuck out tell that to the myriad instablocks 1612790;1486704451;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 02:38 shinohai: http://archive.is/oH9Gl <<< Cute, an Ethereum founder gonna fix Bitcoin. 1612791;1486704471;mircea_popescu;"Parse Server •Server was Rails at first (with 24 threads max. concurrency) with very little throughput per server (~15–30 requests per second) •The server was later rewritten in Go. The open-source Parse server is written Node.js and lacks many functionalities of the original Parse server in Go." <<< holy shit, can you believe the idiocy ? "we wasted a bunch of money doing stupid shit because we truly believe" 1612792;1486704484;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ^^ is why you're reading this 1612793;1486704509;ben_vulpes;because omfg the hilarity 1612794;1486704516;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes listen, you're quoting a bullshit mfa trying to product place some inept dork. he did nothing ; is nobody ; random words in a string. 1612795;1486704566;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you want random words in a string, you shoulda seen the guy pitching "a cryptocurrency blockchain signature solution to the marijuana regulatory burden" the other night 1612796;1486704594;ben_vulpes;buddy if you get crypto involved in your drug production it can only be to hose the state, but w/e 1612797;1486704598;mircea_popescu;"Backend was completely on Amazon Web Services •It was planned to migrate Parse to Facebook’s infrastructure (e.g. Haystack, Tao, F4, Extended Apache Giraph, Gorilla) but the project was abandoned •Roughly 8 developers working on SDKs, 8 on the server, 8 DevOps + a few more engineers" <<< 1) no it was not "planned", fuckwads don't have mp certificate in planning, may not claim they are engaging in any planning. the prop 1612798;1486704598;mircea_popescu;er term is "was butthole - to - nose - fingered". not fucking planning. 1612799;1486704599;asciilifeform;all i see is buncha sad folx in penal servitude, for some peculiar reason spending their scarcely-existing free time writing about the wheelbarrows, the dirt, the scurvy. 1612800;1486704632;mircea_popescu;and b) holy shit, 8 "engineers" ? kids with whispy chin-only beards stuffing their tongue up an asshole aren't engineers. they're kids with whispy chin beards stuffing their tongue up an asshole. 1612801;1486704633;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: wait 'till you get to "what it got right" 1612802;1486704635;ben_vulpes;"the web ui" 1612803;1486704646;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except not. 1612804;1486704651;ben_vulpes;"looks pretty, doesn't work" 1612805;1486704669;mircea_popescu;ahahaha database "40 mongodb replica sets 3 nodes each" 1612806;1486704678;mircea_popescu;who the fuck. seriously now. this made sense somewhere ? 1612807;1486704737;ben_vulpes;"i.e. writes were confirmed before they were replicated" 1612808;1486704755;ben_vulpes;anyone remember the "no seriously flush to disk" flag? 1612809;1486704761;ben_vulpes;===== 1612810;1486704802;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: proud tradition of penny-in-the-fusebox lives on! 1612811;1486704816;BingoBoingo; all i see is buncha sad folx in penal servitude, for some peculiar reason spending their scarcely-existing free time writing about the wheelbarrows, the dirt, the scurvy. << lol, when the weather warms up I may blog some on personal blog about wheelbarrows, dirt and anti-scurvy 1612812;1486704840;mircea_popescu;"Slave reads were allowed for performance reasons" << check it out, apparently it's in the sql spec after all. even on mondoshit >D 1612813;1486704840;mircea_popescu;"Partial updates were problematic as small updates to large docs got “write amplification” when being written to oplog" <<< aaahahahaha. 1612814;1486704841;ben_vulpes;persistence is slow and competence expensive, what is a sv fingertrap author to do but eschew writes to disk and hire the lowest common denominator? 1612815;1486704846;mircea_popescu;there's this film with that inept idiot from whatever cars film, the one with an adriano celentano like mug. he's supposedly the capo of this son-of-mobster inept douche and his main spoken line is something like "500. that's how many bla bla". 1612816;1486704854;mircea_popescu;this is what the "8. engineers." makes me think of. 1612817;1486704910;mircea_popescu; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrB9pG10PZ4 << 8. 8 engineers. 8 skd guys. 8 dicks up my ass. 1612818;1486704937;asciilifeform;prefer lockheed, ibm, 9000 engineers ? 1612819;1486704948;mircea_popescu;8. 8 engineers. 1612820;1486705070;ben_vulpes;and my favorite 1612821;1486705072;ben_vulpes;" if important customers lost data due to human error, Facebook engineers would manually recover it from periodic backups" 1612822;1486705109;mircea_popescu;by now nobody actually has the faintest inkling of a clue as to how computers actually run. at all. whatsoever. 1612823;1486705116;mircea_popescu;i am the fuck ahead of the 8 engineers, and i'm not even a coder. 1612824;1486705170;ben_vulpes;you have to identify as "a coder" to even consider the stuff 1612825;1486705190;ben_vulpes;coders support tool diversity, of course 1612826;1486705196;ben_vulpes;get excited about things, support people. 1612827;1486705203;mircea_popescu;"The object-level ACL system was highly inefficient. Numerours indexes were required that could sometimes surpass the actual data size by a factor of 3–4." << i guess i'm the only one with production dbs where the indexes are 90%+ of the whole thing ? 1612828;1486705218;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i am not at all convinced that these folx individuated, and able to 'identify' 1612829;1486705219;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong wit hthese people. the index to data factor isn't a benchmark of efficiency. 1612830;1486705245;asciilifeform;they simply went to it, like 19th c irish emigre to the bottle and the railroad. 1612831;1486705252;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i think that's indices of just the acl 'tables' 1612832;1486705255;mircea_popescu;now this is so. 1612833;1486705270;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ahaha WHAT 1612834;1486705276;mircea_popescu;the unthinkable is unthinkable. 1612835;1486705281;ben_vulpes;heh 1612836;1486705288;mircea_popescu;but... but how ?! 1612837;1486705303;ben_vulpes;got a case of mongo. everything else follows. 1612838;1486705316;mircea_popescu;they ended up with unbounded complexity in the "acl" system which really just happened to be the rug corner under which we brush everything we don't know how to do, didn't it. 1612839;1486705320;mircea_popescu;i see it. 1612840;1486705338;mircea_popescu;see, this is the thing with these idiots, you can hire 8 of them, and they'll happily go to work. on THE PARTS of the problem that they understand. 1612841;1486705344;mircea_popescu;in the process creating a contorted mess. 1612842;1486705346;ben_vulpes;sane and halfway intelligent folks refuse to touch it, so you're stuck with the dregs and their decisions. 1612843;1486705359;asciilifeform;and hey if it's good enough for phd with haskell, why not plebe. 1612844;1486705363;ben_vulpes;where "decisions" ===== "the code i produced that appeared to work a few weeks ago" 1612845;1486705389;mircea_popescu;"As there was no mechanism for concurrency control (except for minimal support for things like counters), applications were often inconsistent" << then people wonder why us ships don't work. 1612846;1486705405;mircea_popescu;"Parse did a lot of things right." 1612847;1486705411;ben_vulpes;*drumroll* 1612848;1486705418;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the ships still run win98, bit of a lag 1612849;1486705421;mircea_popescu;documentation was great ? are they INSANE ? 1612850;1486705461;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not according to the DSMIX 1612851;1486705463;mircea_popescu;!!rate felix gessert -10 irredeemable idiot. 1612852;1486705463;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1612853;1486705465;ben_vulpes;:D 1612854;1486705507;ben_vulpes;part and parcel of the "damn the correctness, all attention to developer uptake" 1612855;1486705514;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/093b24e8470460bd1a280961dd3ebc52/tumblr_n4z5z76XCH1tauas6o2_500.gif << dirt is better than stupidity, in that when dirty chicks lick each other it can be kinda-hot. 1612856;1486705557;ben_vulpes;neat bike 1612857;1486705583;mircea_popescu;i imagine the conceit is they were working on it 1612858;1486705599;ben_vulpes;"it'll work, eventually" 1612859;1486705608;ben_vulpes;correctness is not a thing to bolt on after the fact. 1612860;1486705623;mircea_popescu;no i meant chicks and bike 1612861;1486705647;ben_vulpes;shit must work, first, because it was designed to work. touchy-feelie boob grabs come after. 1612862;1486705690;mircea_popescu;hehe 1612863;1486705826;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, BingoBoingo have you ever messed with "biochar" as soil amendment? 1612864;1486705875;ben_vulpes;gasified wood, notionally provides surface area for bacterial colonization and drastically reduces fertilizer/nutrient depletion 1612865;1486705908;mircea_popescu;sounds like the sort of bs that works in the lab only. 1612866;1486705933;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do they sell calcinated bone as a fertilizer where you live ? 1612867;1486706001;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: oddly enough comes from the "permaculture" wackjobs 1612868;1486706020;mircea_popescu;that's the historical as well as correct solution for that problem. spread it out before a storm. 1612869;1486706101;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i can buy many industrial products, but am not particularly interested in more dependencies on plant-produced amendments 1612870;1486706117;mircea_popescu;bone ash is pre-industrial. it's, for one thing, how china was traditionally made. 1612871;1486706147;mircea_popescu;i'm telling you, if you somehow (which i doubt you did, but taking you at your word) decided your soil's problem is lack of bacteria substrate, then bone ash is what you want to solve it with. 1612872;1486706156;mircea_popescu;who the fuck heard of this, wood structure. bacteria eats wood. 1612873;1486706172;ben_vulpes;~charcoal 1612874;1486706175;mircea_popescu;nah. 1612875;1486706192;ben_vulpes;nah what 1612876;1486706217;mircea_popescu;nah it'd better not be charcoal. 1612877;1486706250;mircea_popescu;holy shit it is. 1612878;1486706253;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people. 1612879;1486706285;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you stiumbled on a fine example of "spreading-works". do not add coal to soil you plan to cultivate. 1612880;1486706366;ben_vulpes;'tis not 'coal', but i'd appreciate a primer on why not 1612881;1486706376;mircea_popescu;dumbest idea i ever heard. and oh look, wikipedia explains "it's under investigation for carbon sequestration". so they're going to get you to ruin your garden to make their meaningless metrics go the way the cult decided they must go. and someone somewhere is buying into this ?! 1612882;1486706436;ben_vulpes;you gotta burn the gas off, so i have nfi where the "good for co2 metrics" comes from 1612883;1486706451;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the microbiology involved is anything but settled. from the lengthy human experience on the topic, coal is a miserable substrate for a garden. 1612884;1486706458;ben_vulpes;specifically not coal. 1612885;1486706483;ben_vulpes;wood out of which one burns the various tars. 1612886;1486706488;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes charcoal is coal. 1612887;1486706512;ben_vulpes;coal is not the hydrogen-rich rock dug from ground now? 1612888;1486706515;mircea_popescu;"amorphous pile of mostly carbon" 1612889;1486706530;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no. carbon-rich. 1612890;1486706610;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes as a rough heuristic for this matter, if you were to be locked in a room, would you prefer the room contain a large lump of cake or a large lump of people ? 1612891;1486706629;mircea_popescu;because plants aren't all that different in this respect. if you wish to add something to the soil, carbon's the absolute worst choice. 1612892;1486706642;mircea_popescu;they get that from the air, not from the soil. 1612893;1486706651;mircea_popescu;(guru meditation : whence does a tree's mass come from ?) 1612894;1486706676;ben_vulpes;aight, next pile of nuttery to riddle: anaerobic composting of food waste 1612895;1486706694;mircea_popescu;what about it ? 1612896;1486706700;ben_vulpes;also hokum? 1612897;1486706714;mircea_popescu;certainly not in thbat general form 1612898;1486706842;mircea_popescu;i imagine they are trying to get out of smells ? 1612899;1486706877;ben_vulpes;smells, turning, meat/dairy as feedstock to boot 1612900;1486706902;mircea_popescu;mmm, that part is kind-of dubious, but i guess it depends on how your latrine's set up. 1612901;1486706964;mircea_popescu;understand, the definition of septic tank / latrine isn't "where people shit", much like a fridge isn't "the hole in the kitchen wall food comes from". if meat goes in, then it's a latrine, nqa. 1612902;1486706979;ben_vulpes;what might handicap the meat/dairy handling? 1612903;1486706986;ben_vulpes;i have nfi re latrine design 1612904;1486707018;mircea_popescu;bacteria that digest meat also digest people ; bacteria that digest plants (and dairy) don't. 1612905;1486707131;mircea_popescu;why would you want to compost meat anyway. 1612906;1486707147;ben_vulpes;complexity reduction in waste pipeline, ~ 1612907;1486707170;ben_vulpes;i suppose the smart thing to do is make a highly reduced stock? 1612908;1486707175;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: consider pig? 1612909;1486707187;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how about not buying more than you eat. 1612910;1486707197;asciilifeform;and ^ 1612911;1486707199;mircea_popescu;the correct way to handle meat waste is to beat the women. 1612912;1486707204;mircea_popescu;slash children. 1612913;1486707205;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: even i can only scour so much off the bones 1612914;1486707217;mircea_popescu;no system will ever compost bones. you need a furnace for that 1612915;1486707221;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: donthca keep dogz? 1612916;1486707223;mircea_popescu;as teh national socialists found out recently. 1612917;1486707248;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i have been thoroughly terrorized by the fud around passing bones to dogs 1612918;1486707256;asciilifeform;waaiwat 1612919;1486707259;mircea_popescu;eh get out, they'll be fine. 1612920;1486707309;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you had a defective dog that chokes on bone, wouldn't you rather know early on 1612921;1486707360;mircea_popescu;but, dogs aren't bone eating machines. they just crack them to get to the marrow. you still get stuck with the bone. 1612922;1486707393;asciilifeform;only thing that 'eats' bone -- is woodchipper 1612923;1486707410;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: concern is more along lines of splintering and intestine perforation 1612924;1486707420;asciilifeform;(and, as mircea_popescu pointed out, the finalsolutionatron) 1612925;1486707456;ben_vulpes;i'd be satisfied if the bones were rendered unattractive to pests. 1612926;1486707474;ben_vulpes;would rather not bifurcate waste handling streams if unnecessary. 1612927;1486707583;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is no convenient pill against bones, it is why archaeologists have with what to work. 1612928;1486707619;ben_vulpes;as i said, uninterested in full breakdown. 1612929;1486707666;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes chicken bones are a problem for some (retarded) dogs ; otherwise notrly. 1612930;1486707678;asciilifeform;does ben_vulpes still live in that shithole where they charge for rubbish pickup by the pound? 1612931;1486707690;asciilifeform;i gotta wonder, what prompted this line of thought 1612932;1486707693;mircea_popescu;you mean, "the civilised our democracy" ? 1612933;1486707728;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey i can throw out a concert piano!!1 1612934;1486707742;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i doubt you actually get enough bones to make this worthwhile thinking about ; but if you do - make your own bone ash! put in garden! 1612935;1486707758;mircea_popescu;from experience, once the pig farm goes over 500 heads, bone furnace becomes worth it. 1612936;1486707762;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you know how photosynthesis reduces electron energy by lowering its potential down gradually through a series of steps? 1612937;1486707777;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: burn'em with leather. --> cyanide. 1612938;1486707802;ben_vulpes;i am reluctant to consign material from which i may yet extract $use to the public pit 1612939;1486707816;mircea_popescu;so then carve the bones and sell at faire. 1612940;1486707825;asciilifeform;flutes. 1612941;1486707842;mircea_popescu;fun fact : in french shin and flute are the same thing. because... they are the same thing. 1612942;1486707873;mircea_popescu;!~google fluierul piciorului 1612943;1486707874;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Ce este fluierul piciorului Zice-ti-mi si mie repede va rog frumos Cine ...: ; Durere la fluierul piciorului - primul ajutor - ROmedic: ; Fluierul piciorului - Dictionar medical - ROmedic: (1 more message) 1612944;1486707879;mircea_popescu;aka "the leg's whistle" 1612945;1486708138;asciilifeform;eh if i worked with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612791 for a living, i would also consider carving bone flutes to sell at market as new career. 1612946;1486708138;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 05:27 mircea_popescu: "Parse Server •Server was Rails at first (with 24 threads max. concurrency) with very little throughput per server (~15–30 requests per second) •The server was later rewritten in Go. The open-source Parse server is written Node.js and lacks many functionalities of the original Parse server in Go." <<< holy shit, can you believe the idiocy ? "we wasted a bunch of money doing stupid shit because we truly believe" 1612947;1486708220;mircea_popescu;especially if they were the shinbones of these idiots. 1612948;1486708400;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9EE551BF5B1DBE96D10E616076AA99A617A5A85B75B421486AB5FB5D92E1C07D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1073...1643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '222.222.34.219 (ssh-rsa key from 222.222.34.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (219.34.222.222.broad.sj.he.dynamic.163data.com.cn. CN 13) 1612949;1486708400;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/19C43B3ED8DFC3082486D4AF9F155163615CBD5190C08BA313C14782022FB421 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1073...1643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '60.213.15.140 (ssh-rsa key from 60.213.15.140 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 37) 1612950;1486708400;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/19C43B3ED8DFC3082486D4AF9F155163615CBD5190C08BA313C14782022FB421 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9263...7097 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '60.213.15.140 (ssh-rsa key from 60.213.15.140 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 37) 1612951;1486709400;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, google query : "am12ani și îmi bag lucruri în pizdă ce se poate întâmpla" (literally, "i am 12 yo and i stuff things in my cunt, what can happen") 1612952;1486712347;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612714 << is handy, but i can't bring myself to replacing safety critical ssh with it. i've had plenty of opportunity to test it though, and it's best option for when you're trying to connect to server over a public wifi running over cell network off a generator 1612953;1486712347;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 02:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: similar (i never used, however) is https://mosh.org 1612954;1486712497;phf;i've not used it from a cellphone though, i don't grok the whole concept of a shell on a device without keyboard 1612955;1486734056;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F8802484C5109A90F1ED7E2E851D0125507A67A1B71FC12DCE14DDD78ADF1DD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1561...1859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '40.135.8.211 (ssh-rsa key from 40.135.8.211 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (h211.8.135.40.static.ip.windstream.net. US) 1612956;1486734057;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F8802484C5109A90F1ED7E2E851D0125507A67A1B71FC12DCE14DDD78ADF1DD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1426...8907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '40.135.8.211 (ssh-rsa key from 40.135.8.211 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (h211.8.135.40.static.ip.windstream.net. US) 1612957;1486735160;mircea_popescu;aaaand in other "they won't fucking yield", check out jstolfi : 1612958;1486735169;mircea_popescu;"To be fair, the economic flaws are mostly justified because there seem to be no technically sound way to fix them. For example, there is no incentive for Miner Mike to forward to Miner Molly the transactions that he received from Client Charlie. And there is also no incentive for Mike to forward to Molly a block that Miner Mary just solved and sent to him. Those flaws need to be fixed, but AFAIK no one has figured out a way 1612959;1486735170;mircea_popescu;to do that that preserves bitcoin's design goal." (part a, which is correct) 1612960;1486735182;mircea_popescu;"The biggest flaw is the fixed issuance cap. Ideally, to make bitcoin useful as a currency, the supply of BTC in circulation should expand at a rate slightly greater than the increase in the volume of payments, forever. Then the value of 1 BTC would slowly decrease with time. Then no one would want to hoard it. Then the value would be stable enough for use as a currency. There would be no bitcoin peddlers trying to get other 1612961;1486735182;mircea_popescu;people's savings through misleading promises and "investment" funds. And so on." part b, which is lulzy. 1612962;1486735222;mircea_popescu;basically, "bitcoin has clearly proven that what libertards thought they understood about money and finance is pure global warming claptrap, so in conclusion here's a restatement of the global warming claptrap and proposals to fix the world so it is more like the claptrap!" 1612963;1486735264;mircea_popescu;phf what's the relevancy of the hardware details in the example given ? 1612964;1486735331;mircea_popescu;and in other news : http://68.media.tumblr.com/8b3c3f5e6a144ce277541b883d67898b/tumblr_ojyu8fjAdU1ui3dbro1_500.gif ; turns out freshly spanked butt fucks better. 1612965;1486735437;mircea_popescu;(and of course, re part a, the idiots immediately reached their usual fecal consensus re the only known proposal for a fix, namely http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ ) 1612966;1486736254;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612959 <<< what's that correct bit? that the lack of incentive for miners to forward blocks is a flaw? 1612967;1486736254;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 13:59 mircea_popescu: to do that that preserves bitcoin's design goal." (part a, which is correct) 1612968;1486736287;mircea_popescu;the olde miner-node problem yes 1612969;1486736409;mircea_popescu;http://unenumerated.blogspot.com.ar/2017/02/money-blockchains-and-social-scalability.html << szabo is not dead! 1612970;1486736414;davout;as he formulates it doesn't strike me as a fundamental issue, the miner of a block ~is~ properly incentivized to broadcast it as widely as possibru 1612971;1486736457;mircea_popescu;davout he stated it in the particular. there's no actual incentive for miner x to tell miner y specifically. which creates a very toxic situation, which then presents all of itself an incentive for cartelization. 1612972;1486736490;mircea_popescu;basically the reason the state in the leviathan acception of statehood as commonly understood today EVEN EXISTS is the fear of early greeks that all the neighbours may get together secretly and ostracize them, 1612973;1486736499;mircea_popescu;a purely female solution to a purely female problem. 1612974;1486736550;mircea_popescu;the much more obvious "beat all females until they all stop whining" being "off the table" for incomprehensible "reasons". 1612975;1486736933;davout;and in other news, french citizens are now legally permitted to read the logs 1612976;1486736933;davout;http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2017/02/10/97001-20170210FILWWW00084-le-delit-consultation-des-sites-djihadistes-annule.php 1612977;1486736951;mircea_popescu;hey, france is like the 5th trilema reader or such. 1612978;1486736989;mircea_popescu;i had no idea they could read like, languages. 1612979;1486737293;mircea_popescu;(to revisit the beatings : beating both mother and daugther for misbehavious by either mother or daughter is the historically deployed and theoretically correct approach ; what the "red pill" dudes call "branch swining behaviour" in their AWALT booklet is both proof this is so and its direct result - it selected over the years for a certain thing, the anthropological concept of "female community") 1612980;1486737413;mircea_popescu;"Most institutions which have undergone a lengthy cultural evolution, such as law (which lowers vulnerability to violence, theft, and fraud)," <<< i gotta say, the ubernaive reinterpretation of reality in the hands of armchair nonviolent "scholars" is endearing. to be plain : law ENTIRELY exists so that the concept of forest may be enforced without the depletion of the villages. 1612981;1486737414;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612970 << he's talking about forwarding yet-mined transactions, not blocks 1612982;1486737414;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 14:20 davout: as he formulates it doesn't strike me as a fundamental issue, the miner of a block ~is~ properly incentivized to broadcast it as widely as possibru 1612983;1486737422;mircea_popescu;that's how it appeared, and that's the only thing it's for. 1612984;1486737461;mircea_popescu;as everyone ever involved is aware and occasionally points out, "the reduction in violence, theft, and fraud is incidental to the protection of the royal forest". 1612985;1486737549;mircea_popescu;suddenly i don't need to explain why all "police" resources are expended to fight "war on drugs" even as kitty genovese dies in a pool of her own blood. cia wants drugs as its own domain, what. 1612986;1486737913;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: No biochar experiments, composting meat breeds clostridium, and the way to dispose of bones is bleaching them in the deser sun and selling to tourists 1612987;1486737922;davout;adlai: "And there is also no incentive for Mike to forward to Molly a block that Miner Mary just solved and sent to him." 1612988;1486738125;adlai;oh sorry, that line got pebkaced. it seems wrong though, shouldn't a miner want to both increase the amount of work the others do (validating the new block), and reduce the chance they have to do reorg work? 1612989;1486738142;mircea_popescu;you are an idiot ; go away. 1612990;1486742003;mircea_popescu;!!up fromdeedbot 1612991;1486742003;deedbot;fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1612992;1486742216;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, the fake news apparently believes australia === malcolm turnbull ; even as it firmly believes usa != donald trump. how the fuck is it that committing the usg to liberating australia from the unwelcome and illegitimate socialist leadership is to be confused with "war on australia" ? when they invaded europe it was "war on hitler" not "war on europe" 1612993;1486742907;mircea_popescu;and in the same vein, "The judges’ vote is a major political blow to Mr Trump, whose early days in power have been characterised by a difficult relationship with the judicial branch of government." 1612994;1486742954;mircea_popescu;really ? they'll take it to the supreme court ; which is understaffed, and will conceivably deadlock 4-4. this will also be a blow to trump ? why, because it is strictly impossible for the weimar republicand its institutions to be perceived as ineffectual and effete ? 1612995;1486742978;mircea_popescu;it's a blow to the justice system more than to trump. but hey, the pantsuited opposition can't possibly consider things, so therefore they can't possibly exist. 1612996;1486743125;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612961 << instead we have 'GIMME your savings through inflation because we HAZ RIGHTS!!!1111' lel. 1612997;1486743125;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 13:59 mircea_popescu: people's savings through misleading promises and "investment" funds. And so on." part b, which is lulzy. 1612998;1486743279;mircea_popescu;he'll simply abandon it at that point, except discoursively, and it'll forever be "hey i tried to fix things but the swamp wouldn't let me". in any possible strategic evaluation of the situation, the best outcome for trump is exactly what's happening. 1612999;1486743298;asciilifeform;'aite, go make your own inflationary alt-idiocy like 1,001 people before' 'NO WE HAZ RIGHTS, we NEEDWANT ~bitcoin~'s stored fat' 1613000;1486743359;mircea_popescu;aha 1613001;1486743440;mircea_popescu;quite exactly that. 1613002;1486743440;mircea_popescu;but hey, it's ok, because it'll be an improvement. according to themselves. consensus! hurr! 1613003;1486743440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if mr.t raised the banner, i suspect there would be plenty of folx, in particular army, who would happily string up judges, berkeley 'professors', j00yorktimes journarasts, etc. 1613004;1486743449;asciilifeform;but apparently he isn't made of the correct stuff 1613005;1486743453;mircea_popescu;yup. 1613006;1486743462;mircea_popescu;this apparently is very early. 1613007;1486743518;mircea_popescu;first he has to get them to "win" and proclaim their victory pluriously. then they hang. 1613008;1486743533;asciilifeform;(not mega-discovery, and not my original observation) nobody strings up officials while store shelves are full. 1613009;1486743544;mircea_popescu;he's working on that. 1613010;1486743627;mircea_popescu;oh bonus points : moving us embassy to jerusalem. such lulz. 1613011;1486743655;asciilifeform;this was iirc first proposed under reagan, and i still have nfi why 1613012;1486743692;mircea_popescu;because of the fuck you symbology. 1613013;1486743805;mircea_popescu;oh, check it out, they're losing fallujah 1613014;1486743812;asciilifeform;for 9,001st time ? 1613015;1486743823;asciilifeform;or hm that was mosul 1613016;1486743880;mircea_popescu;yeah, different item. 1613017;1486743882;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zBYEJ/?raw=true << in other recent lulz. usg tried, by the usual freisler court, d00d who supposedly leaked stratfor pw. now going after ~donors to his legal fund~ 1613018;1486743943;mircea_popescu;lel. 1613019;1486743949;asciilifeform;( who conveniently used a spampay and now conveniently trackable ) 1613020;1486743974;mircea_popescu;"13. Donor No. 1 satisfies the requirements to sue anonymously." 1613021;1486743976;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder. 1613022;1486744004;asciilifeform;it's a civil suit, will probably last five seconds or so in front of usg magistrate (ianal) 1613023;1486744009;asciilifeform;and can say whatever it likes 1613024;1486744026;asciilifeform;(linked text, that is. civil suit ~against usg~) 1613025;1486744063;mircea_popescu;aha 1613026;1486744073;mircea_popescu;no actually it looks pretty contondent. 1613027;1486744110;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, in a very much unrteported move, frankfurt got 300 tons of gold from new york. 1613028;1486744169;mircea_popescu;bout 13bn worth at current prices 1613029;1486744232;mircea_popescu;(for the new people : the historical reason for which german gold was stored on another continent has everything to do with the fulda gap, and the sad experience of about 100-150 tons of romanian gold + an order of magnitude more in paper that was magically lost in russia) 1613030;1486744466;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, how long before someone raids a us stockpile, surrounds say seattle with a bunch of davy crocketts and ... fires ? 1613031;1486744473;mircea_popescu;could make for some pretty entertaining daytime tv. 1613032;1486744479;mircea_popescu;all those pretty lights. 1613033;1486744542;mircea_popescu;http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/FM23-30-Davy-Crockett-preparing-to-fire-step-2.jpg << pic related. 1613034;1486744973;asciilifeform;if only these still worked 1613035;1486744991;mircea_popescu;how would they have stopped ? 1613036;1486745008;mircea_popescu;1960s weapons, rugged and none of that pussyfooting. if it's fired, it explodes. 1613037;1486745035;mircea_popescu;they're probably still stored somewhere due to the fact they're hard to defuse by design. 1613038;1486745035;asciilifeform;iirc these were traditional, not thermonukes, so if they have not been recycled or misplaced -- still oughta work! 1613039;1486745042;mircea_popescu;yep. 1613040;1486745055;mircea_popescu;5ksv for a quarter mile radius. 1613041;1486745057;asciilifeform;though you would have to be quite tired of living to set it off as shown in the picture 1613042;1486745069;mircea_popescu;no shortage of folk tired of living. 1613043;1486745072;asciilifeform;(radius of nukeage being slightly higher than the weapon's range) 1613044;1486745085;mircea_popescu;nah, iirc they went up to 4km 1613045;1486745143;mircea_popescu;hence seattle. put it up on a hill, fire at the city. should get the 4km out of it. 1613046;1486745262;mircea_popescu;quarter mile radius should be 20 city blocks or so. even in a moderately dense area should provide a healthy 20k or so new cases of cancer within 12 months ; bout half of which leukemia. 1613047;1486745288;mircea_popescu;even without obamacare that's a 10ish bn extra expenditure on the welfare state. 1613048;1486745379;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612963 << mosh works over udp, and mitigates latency, dropped packets, and interrupted connection all the way to doing transparent roaming, so benefits are only seen on hardware in question: can still do useful work even over very dodgy connection 1613049;1486745379;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 14:01 mircea_popescu: phf what's the relevancy of the hardware details in the example given ? 1613050;1486745399;mircea_popescu;ah ah 1613051;1486745573;phf;in fact i tested it from nearby Huatulco, mexico, and it was sort of like batched processing. type a bunch of things, wait some time and eventually get feedback, but i had very poor luck with ssh 1613052;1486745637;phf;so hardware was literally that 1613053;1486745715;mircea_popescu;personally i'd rather directly hack into the local cable networks than resort to wifi over cell tower bs. 1613054;1486745748;mircea_popescu;then again, personally i'm not much for wilderness. 1613055;1486745897;phf;there aren't often local cable networks. at least judging by number of microwave relay towers where i am now, and their frequency, that's all you get. 1613056;1486746004;mircea_popescu;i spent my time in veracruz, other side of the place. 1613057;1486746428;phf;that does look neat, i'd like to make my way to south america at some point. most south i've been is costa rica 1613058;1486746487;mircea_popescu;imo chiapas is the best part of mexico. spent a very agreeable week in palenque drilling the confused hordes of usian girlies searching for spirituality or w/e the fuck. 1613059;1486746509;mircea_popescu;but even that aside, the amber civilisation is fascinating on its own. 1613060;1486746649;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1613027 << i was waiting for that. first article i open mentions that the gold is there to put it out of moscow's reach, mentions european financial troubles and the lack of trust in trump in three paragraphs. almost can admire the fuckers, sort of like reading particularly gnarly piece of soviet propaganda 1613061;1486746649;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 16:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, in a very much unrteported move, frankfurt got 300 tons of gold from new york. 1613062;1486746649;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, inept hack trying to culturally appropriate soviet times (without citation, OF COURSE) - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/10/donald-trump-president-comedy-snl-satire 1613063;1486746680;mircea_popescu;phf word. 1613064;1486747100;thestringpuller;https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2016/10/google-ai-neural-network-cryptography/ 1613065;1486747146;thestringpuller;"After further investigation, it turned out that the two AIs were communicating using a novel symmetric key cipher, and the key that ended up being uncrackable by the third AI was simply '12345', the kind of password an idiot would have on his luggage." 1613066;1486747147;mircea_popescu;phf palenque is in the southernmost state of mexico (chiapas). what, like 100 miles from your spot. 1613067;1486747150;thestringpuller;permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply 1613068;1486747164;thestringpuller;ugh copy pasta :( sorry 1613069;1486747237;mircea_popescu;an' veracruz is like, right next to oaxaca, on the atlantic rather than the pacific side. 1613070;1486747421;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: old snore 1613071;1486747449;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i can't help but picture you on a box with 6 months of old reddit browser tabs... 1613072;1486747488;thestringpuller;Maybe if log search was better ;) 1613073;1486747608;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if every production of usg academitardia were chewed apart in the l0gz, no hdd would suffice to hold'em 1613074;1486747746;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1613048 << you get ~all of this for free JUST BY DUMPING TCP 1613075;1486747746;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 16:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612963 << mosh works over udp, and mitigates latency, dropped packets, and interrupted connection all the way to doing transparent roaming, so benefits are only seen on hardware in question: can still do useful work even over very dodgy connection 1613076;1486747772;asciilifeform;srsly almost ANY protocol built on top of raw lossy packet, even with one hand tied behind your back, ends up beating the shit out of tcp. 1613077;1486747793;mircea_popescu;more seriously : it does seem freenode's screeching ever closer to its use-by date. 1613078;1486747801;mircea_popescu;we'll have to have a gossipd sooner rather than later. 1613079;1486747824;asciilifeform;i'ma probably release 'g' some time before month is out. 1613080;1486747846;mircea_popescu;a hey 1613081;1486747857;asciilifeform;fwiw will be my first 100%-adatronic product here. 1613082;1486749961;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E91DC57E0574612D57B8AD9F8478A1D3E5BD112419FFC8B1D93437C710E2762E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1668...5537 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.170.100 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.170.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (hal.labc.usb.ve. VE A) 1613083;1486749961;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E91DC57E0574612D57B8AD9F8478A1D3E5BD112419FFC8B1D93437C710E2762E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1756...4863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.170.100 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.170.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (hal.labc.usb.ve. VE A) 1613084;1486749989;asciilifeform;'¿Qué es El Laboratorio C? El Laboratorio de Electrónica "C" es una dependencia adscrita a la Unidad de Laboratorios de la Universidad Simón Bolívar, cuya función principal es la de prestar colaboración y servicio para la realización de trabajos experimentales de docencia, investigación y desarrollo, tesis de grado y el mantenimiento de equipos, en el campo de la electrónica, telecomunicaciones, control e informática.' 1613085;1486750011;asciilifeform;Hasta Siempre, Comandante ! 1613086;1486751820;ben_vulpes;g soon? color me excited 1613087;1486751865;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: temper the excitement, it's a parachute, not a plane 1613088;1486752474;ben_vulpes;lifting bodies are neat! 1613089;1486752558;ben_vulpes;besides, paraplane is a+ garage flugenice 1613090;1486752567;trinque;I'd settle for not liquifying on impact 1613091;1486753308;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1MRi4/?raw=true 1613092;1486753308;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1613093;1486753664;mircea_popescu;in random weblulz, "With Silk, you can publish your data online, beautifully. Upload, visualize, publish and share your data in minutes." point in case : https://archive.is/IZ9JK 1613094;1486753683;asciilifeform;404? 1613095;1486753684;thestringpuller;opened link. well played. 1613096;1486753696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've never seen "assertion failed" before. 1613097;1486753710;asciilifeform;i get a 'Not Found (yet?)' 1613098;1486753711;mircea_popescu;oh. hm. 1613099;1486753726;thestringpuller;oh. i thought that was the joke. 1613100;1486753727;mircea_popescu;a second. 1613101;1486753801;mircea_popescu;apparently it doesn't actually save errors properly. 1613102;1486753902;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ux5Vc/?raw=true 1613103;1486755362;mircea_popescu;and in other fake news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/831cf472f27f8c52432f08e92c636bf5/tumblr_nqqhafDdQU1qgojnyo1_500.gif 1613104;1486756031;mircea_popescu;in even further fake news, https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-12-31/bitcoin-is-a-high-tech-dinosaur-soon-to-be-extinct 1613105;1486756982;shinohai;http://archive.is/6VuvE <<< Natural selection at work. 1613106;1486757148;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1613103 << rerun!! 1613107;1486757148;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 19:36 mircea_popescu: and in other fake news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/831cf472f27f8c52432f08e92c636bf5/tumblr_nqqhafDdQU1qgojnyo1_500.gif 1613108;1486758103;mircea_popescu;aww! 1613109;1486758211;mircea_popescu;shinohai the chick in the strip robbery looks reasonably hot. 1613110;1486758275;mircea_popescu;and in other playstations, http://68.media.tumblr.com/fec1e00357977dc724d9c66ed04b99e5/tumblr_nsy8grDUqy1r2svjro1_500.gif 1613111;1486761429;ben_vulpes;in which trump rips a plank out of the prog platform and starts beating them with it: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/09/presidential-executive-order-enforcing-federal-law-respect-transnational 1613112;1486761467;ben_vulpes;"illegal smuggling and trafficking of humans" is all over that thing. would otherwise be a huge victory for the nonprofits pushing that line, except for how it's donny t doing it 1613113;1486761492;ben_vulpes;(also baby steps towards federal gendarmerie in form of "better coordination of law enforcement") 1613114;1486761566;*;mircea_popescu attempts to install steam, teh saga. 1. website only offers "most recent", no link to history, nothing. most recent of course wants libc6 > 2.15 because fu user. 1613115;1486761595;asciilifeform;aaaahahaha runs on 'linux' sure. 1613116;1486761595;mircea_popescu;2. /me finds http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/archive/precise/ after some fishing, because hey, fu user! 1613117;1486761630;*;mircea_popescu promptly discovers that all versions past 1.0.0.24 refuse to install without libc6 > 2.15 1613118;1486761646;mircea_popescu;whereas prior versions claim all dependencies are satisfied, and then SILENTLY DIE 1613119;1486761681;mircea_popescu;because "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found" 1613120;1486761703;mircea_popescu;apparently they contain dependencies they aren't aware of. how does this happen, clumsy drepper hand edited them post facto ? 1613121;1486761727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: post strace of the silently-die ? 1613122;1486761761;mircea_popescu;then, 1.0.0.22 depends on "libpixman-1-0" > 0.24.4-1 1613123;1486761793;mircea_popescu;then 1.0.0.22 depends on "libjpeg-turbo8" 1613124;1486761803;mircea_popescu;then 1.0.0.20 depends on "libjpeg-turbo8" i mean 1613125;1486761806;mircea_popescu;and so on following. 1613126;1486761908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's only silent in their idiotic gui perspective ; otherwise if you run it like sane people in cli it barfs as quoted. 1613127;1486761915;asciilifeform;aah 1613128;1486762000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the glibc6 thing was a quite deliberate bomb to lock out users of old debians and similar 1613129;1486762016;mircea_popescu;and before that the libjpeg nonsense ? 1613130;1486762028;asciilifeform;they depend on it 1613131;1486762036;asciilifeform;typical poetteringola. 1613132;1486762055;mircea_popescu;basically open source isn't. 1613133;1486762066;asciilifeform;well you were running a closed proggy neh 1613134;1486762073;mircea_popescu;steam ? 1613135;1486762076;asciilifeform;aha 1613136;1486762096;asciilifeform;which, for some perverse reason, was dynamically linked 1613137;1486762102;mircea_popescu;no dude, it's like, on reddit. and our democracy. what do you mean! 1613138;1486762110;asciilifeform;(for all that has been said re winblowz, at least this is yet-unknown there) 1613139;1486762132;mircea_popescu;the perverse reason is quite evident : they don't want to pay akamai for downloads. 1613140;1486762165;asciilifeform;actually that probably isn't the reason (the crapola all summed, weighs, what, a few MB.) 1613141;1486762172;mircea_popescu;because, let us revisit : PARSE! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612846 1613142;1486762172;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 05:43 mircea_popescu: "Parse did a lot of things right." 1613143;1486762178;asciilifeform;reason is that 'modern' gcc WON'T statically link, without contortions 1613144;1486762194;asciilifeform;(which contortions -- is familiar subj to more or less everyone here) 1613145;1486762197;mircea_popescu;ie, it's not ACTUALLY WORTH IT for valve ; because they're trying to cater to the imbeciles whoi "but mp, what do you mean mpex seats cost!" and those... have no money. 1613146;1486762229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha keeping around 'support' monkey, to answer mail from 'IT DUN WORK!!11' whiners, costs something 1613147;1486762230;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can still deliver a full package, if you're actually serious about being serious. 1613148;1486762237;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they don't. 1613149;1486762244;mircea_popescu;that went away long, long ago, with google. 1613150;1486762278;mircea_popescu;basicallyt the great success of the FOSS was that corporations used them to spearhead cost reductions. no longer is there any need to, for instance, offer any support. they're open source! except not. 1613151;1486762315;asciilifeform;incidentally it is quite debatable imho whether a 'linux box' with closed-turd gpu driver is in any useful sense a linux box. 1613152;1486762318;asciilifeform;to begin with. 1613153;1486762323;asciilifeform;regardless of which libc you have. 1613154;1486762340;mircea_popescu;this isn't a theoretical discussion. i'm not about to upgrade libc. 1613155;1486762345;asciilifeform;well noshit. 1613156;1486762356;mircea_popescu;i don't care "whjat this says", it's not fucking fashion. 1613157;1486762362;asciilifeform;but pointing out that the 'camel's nose' already long ago entered on any box where running, e.g., 'steam', is contemplated. 1613158;1486762401;asciilifeform;not much steaming to be had on ye olde matrox. 1613159;1486763184;mircea_popescu;i dunno, about half their games are actually from the matrox period. 1613160;1486763466;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you find that they are playable on a box with soft-emulated ('mesa') gpu, i will be pleasantly surprised 1613161;1486763538;mircea_popescu;some, yeah. 1613162;1486765116;thestringpuller;Linux was just a placeholder to transition to SteamOS. 1613163;1486765122;thestringpuller;ironically there is still no steamos box 1613164;1486769856;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/zcash-sinks-after-bug-induced-chain-fork/ << Qntra - ZCash Sinks After Bug Induced Chain Fork 1613165;1486769872;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha 1613166;1486769898;asciilifeform;the idiocy with the 'we threw away the magic master key, we PROMISE!!!!' 1613167;1486770272;BingoBoingo;Indeed 1613168;1486770753;mircea_popescu;awww 1613169;1486770758;mircea_popescu;wasn't it of the future ? 1613170;1486771078;BingoBoingo;of LULZ! 1613171;1486771343;mircea_popescu;ah ah right 1613172;1486771402;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Anyways if you want to promote "the right" bacteria in your dirt just grow legumes and do the whole crop rotation bsns 1613173;1486772422;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: b-but free energy from the soil timecube 1613174;1486772561;asciilifeform;btw i finally realized that gcc (and consequently all known GNATs likewise) deadcode elimination is entirely broken. 1613175;1486772576;asciilifeform;and it is not difficult to figure out who broke it, and why. 1613176;1486772615;asciilifeform;(same folx as were responsible for 'prohibiting' static linking. see, if no dynamically-linked crapolade in process memory space, AND deadcode eliminated, then ROP will be quite painful to arrange !!) 1613177;1486772651;ben_vulpes;ROP? 1613178;1486772678;asciilifeform;!#s ROP 1613179;1486772679;a111;8 results for "ROP", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ROP 1613180;1486772708;asciilifeform;!~google ROP 1613181;1486772709;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Facts About Retinopathy of Prematurity ( ROP ) | National Eye Institute: ; Retinopathy of Prematurity | National Eye Institute: ; Retinopathy of prematurity - Wikipedia: 1613182;1486772713;asciilifeform;mno. 1613183;1486772777;asciilifeform;http://codearcana.com/posts/2013/05/28/introduction-to-return-oriented-programming-rop.html << likbez 1613184;1486772786;asciilifeform;(not an esp. good one, but apparently there is not such a thing as a good one) 1613185;1486772839;asciilifeform;ROP is why you want not only 'fits-in-head' source of proggy, but the smallest binary physically possible. 1613186;1486772918;asciilifeform;(in short: if somehow -- through whatever means -- enemy can nudge the instruction pointer, it has to be nudged ~somewhere~. if stack is not executable, or he cannot put anything useful there, the next best thing is a kind of 'junkyard wars' consisting of ~what is already loaded into your process's address space~.) 1613187;1486773087;ben_vulpes;magical 1613188;1486773145;asciilifeform;it is old, old hat, a good chunk of usg 0day-hunter daily sweat, consists of subj. 1613189;1486773176;ben_vulpes;i can imagine; seems miserable. 1613190;1486773224;ben_vulpes;i wonder what the 'tacoma narrows' moment looks like for intel and friends. 1613191;1486773257;asciilifeform;how do you picture this, ben_vulpes ? 1613192;1486773304;asciilifeform;intel's a crown-owned affair, effectively, it can only perish together with the crown. like, e.g., 'elektronika' did. 1613193;1486773324;ben_vulpes;nevertheless, wind blows, bridge rips itself apart. 1613194;1486773361;ben_vulpes;i am spectacularly unqualified to opine as to how it might happen this time, so i wonder. 1613195;1486773389;asciilifeform;even terrible semiconductors typically are quite durable -- so this is unlikely to play out literally 1613196;1486773435;ben_vulpes;quite impossible to play out literally, lol 1613197;1486773471;asciilifeform;consider, fdiv bug did not end intel; the 1,000,001 remote 0days did not end microshit. 1613198;1486773487;asciilifeform;or pinto -- ford. 1613199;1486773488;asciilifeform;etc 1613200;1486773558;mircea_popescu;or eight years of hussein bahamas the democrat party ? 1613201;1486773564;mircea_popescu;it does fail eventually. 1613202;1486773653;asciilifeform;brands die, idiocies -- less often. they'll rename it, and hum along 1613203;1486773684;asciilifeform;in east usa there is an infamous cable tv&modem monopoly, 'comcast', it renamed itself to 'xfinity' to fool idiots into 'ooh NEW ISP!' 1613204;1486773692;asciilifeform;it worked. 1613205;1486773705;mircea_popescu;the truth is after eight years of monkey in chief they're scarcely capable of anything but monkeying about. the dem party that lost to bush is such a sad memory for the democrat party of today. like 50yo sinatra to 90 yo sinatra. 1613206;1486773726;asciilifeform;~same people 1613207;1486773738;mircea_popescu;so now they want to discuss whose ties are bad, who has bathrobes, and whether trump cares or doesn't care about the latest saturday night live. 1613208;1486773750;asciilifeform;(clinton clan was not dispatched from mars just this year) 1613209;1486773753;mircea_popescu;meanwhile gramps goes along with the charade, "for as long as they think i watch tv, what can they break" 1613210;1486773763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very much not same people, no. 1613211;1486773883;ben_vulpes;the trifurcation of media, white house proclaimations and social media drivel compared to the last administration is very interesting 1613212;1486773898;mircea_popescu;aha 1613213;1486773902;ben_vulpes;last eight years everything was this tightly dialed drumbeat of unified talking points 1613214;1486773921;mircea_popescu;and most amusing - they thought that's a show of strength. 1613215;1486773934;mircea_popescu;and you know, "civilisation", "appropriateness" "responsibility" "awareness" etcetera. 1613216;1486773961;mircea_popescu;obama fucked the left more than it fucked the us ; left them utterly incapable of mere survival. 1613217;1486774013;ben_vulpes;these days, everyone watches twitter to see how donny's going to respond to something happening on the teevee, while he waves the red cloak of nordstrom or even just "make america great again" (which i fucking die laughing every time he tweets that phrase naked), while the white house press bureau releases some very well-written copy on "failure(s) to enforce sovereign duty" 1613218;1486774040;ben_vulpes;duty/responsibilities 1613219;1486774078;ben_vulpes;plus that master stroke of "anti human trafficking" + instantiation of the gendarmerie-as-municipal-officer-coordination-office recently 1613220;1486774089;ben_vulpes;verily, we are impressed 1613221;1486774111;mircea_popescu;and consider -- he's selling the supreme strength of NOT having a bunch of these useless dorks employed as... a weakness. 1613222;1486774145;ben_vulpes;"useless dorks" aka social media mgrs? 1613223;1486774176;mircea_popescu;no, white house experts / aides / wash dc denizens 1613224;1486774221;asciilifeform;betcha all of their pay doesn't buy ~one~ discounted-f35 1613225;1486774231;ben_vulpes;is he really selling that so hard? looks more like the organized organs of the left are pushing that angle and he's not fighting it terrifically hard, because why bother 1613226;1486774409;ben_vulpes;in *entirely* unrelated lols, it turns out that various tribal security directives are to "use ms products and keep all data on local disk because we don't trust cloud because obvious tool of ministry of wtf." meanwhile, it dept struggling to wrap heads around how all of their files ended up on the ms cloud. 1613227;1486774442;ben_vulpes;obvious conclusion that ms is also wholly owned subsidiary of ministry of wtf has apparently not yet occured. 1613228;1486774620;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Problem is soil timecube is rounded. For srs. Just get a bunch of peat moss while you can along with composted cow manure, and a few 5 gallon buckets full of generic 10-10-10 1613229;1486774661;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, he's selling it soft. but it's getting bought, in oodles, which ios what matters. 1613230;1486774774;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Other decent substrate is softwood bark composted to consistency of smooshed chocolate cake 1613231;1486774834;BingoBoingo;Also aero/hydro-ponics are for the poor (i.e. stoners) 1613232;1486775002;BingoBoingo;Anyways, what'c the native soil like in your parts? 1613233;1486775045;BingoBoingo;And how long dies it take water to drain out of a void 2 feet deep and 2 feet in circumference? 1613234;1486775052;BingoBoingo;*does 1613235;1486775055;BingoBoingo;brb 1613236;1486785305;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1613072 << define "better" 1613237;1486785305;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 17:24 thestringpuller: Maybe if log search was better ;) 1613238;1486785755;asciilifeform;https://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/Packages/callcatcher.html << obligatory, apparently, 'what you want exists, so what if it dun work at all' 1613239;1486785895;asciilifeform;srsly forfuckssake if routine cannot be JMP'd into, i want it GONE FROM THE MOTHERFUCKING BINARY 1613240;1486786078;asciilifeform;(and before anyone asks, CFLAGS = -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections LFLAGS = --gc-sections does nil) 1613241;1486786096;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-11#1613185 << http://phrack.org/issues/58/4.html 1613242;1486786096;a111;Logged on 2017-02-11 00:27 asciilifeform: ROP is why you want not only 'fits-in-head' source of proggy, but the smallest binary physically possible. 1613243;1486786097;asciilifeform;it is in every set of docs from past 20 years, and does jack shit. 1613244;1486786322;asciilifeform;'This problem can't be appropriately solved with a linker, particularly not the GNU linker. GNU ld can only throw out sections, not unused functions or global variables; so if you've got a file containing 10 functions, 9 of which are unused, all ten will still get linked.' << for the imbecility museum 1613245;1486786432;phf;i thought that was the case since forever, last time i asked a question why gcc can't tree shake (10 or so years ago) i was told that i don't understand.. 1613246;1486786720;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EDF58C157F19F56ED0FF3F23767C3D0AEF9AFCAF9A39796BD2D4447505F83DA9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1362...0797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.144.106.242 (ssh-rsa key from 83.144.106.242 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (83-144-106-242.static.chello.pl. PL) 1613247;1486786720;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EDF58C157F19F56ED0FF3F23767C3D0AEF9AFCAF9A39796BD2D4447505F83DA9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1496...6703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.144.106.242 (ssh-rsa key from 83.144.106.242 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (83-144-106-242.static.chello.pl. PL) 1613248;1486786789;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-11#1613177 << http://phrack.org/issues/49/14.html (classic paper, in logs), then http://seclists.org/bugtraq/1997/Aug/63, then http://phrack.org/issues/58/4.html, then you can apply for a job at NSA, since that's basically all you need to know :p 1613249;1486786789;a111;Logged on 2017-02-11 00:24 ben_vulpes: ROP? 1613250;1486786846;mircea_popescu;heh 1613251;1486786885;asciilifeform;phf: rop is the bread, there is also the butter of actually nudging instruction pointer (stack/heap smash, overflows, etc) but sure. 1613252;1486786928;mircea_popescu;seems the only approach is to simply not include not used functions. 1613253;1486786950;mircea_popescu;static linking doesn't work ? ok then, i import the source. 1613254;1486786979;mircea_popescu;take linking out of it altogether 1613255;1486786981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is actually how the heavy industrial realtime ada folx do it. fork the standard lib. 1613256;1486786989;asciilifeform;and then gnatelim does the job. 1613257;1486786996;mircea_popescu;yep. and it's both very v-ish and unbeatable. 1613258;1486787080;asciilifeform;the annoying part is that there is no reason at all why i should not be able to do this TO AN EXISTING BINARY 1613259;1486787089;asciilifeform;to make, say, auditing more practical. 1613260;1486787094;asciilifeform;or for whatever other reason. 1613261;1486787096;mircea_popescu;yeah well. can;t win them all. 1613262;1486787097;asciilifeform;the info is ~there~. 1613263;1486787135;mircea_popescu;if you don't have the binary's source, let's say you're holding smoke. 1613264;1486787145;phf;same as "no reason" why can't have byte equivalent binary from multiple compilations 1613265;1486787151;mircea_popescu;^ 1613266;1486787198;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have the bins, with symbols, dwarf debug tags, etc. and this is a transformation i can do by hand in, say, ida. but the only reason i even have to think about it is that gcc is MILITANTLY stupid and gloms in trivially provably unused routines 1613267;1486787242;mircea_popescu;gcc is militantly stupid. 1613268;1486787320;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79A7E0D4EF15DF0C782F08A1B3750DF77C60678A90DDE5806C8C654E34CD31A5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...7203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.113.180.101 (ssh-rsa key from 195.113.180.101 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CZ PR) 1613269;1486787320;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79A7E0D4EF15DF0C782F08A1B3750DF77C60678A90DDE5806C8C654E34CD31A5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1494...6039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.113.180.101 (ssh-rsa key from 195.113.180.101 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CZ PR) 1613270;1486787765;phf;holy fucking shit, i'm doing cursory google searches on the subject. "tree shaking gcc" results in all javascript articles. google helpfully expands gcc to "google closure compiler" 1613271;1486787780;mircea_popescu;google is useful. 1613272;1486787853;phf;Searches related to tree shaking "gcc": angular 2 performance benchmark 1613273;1486787902;mircea_popescu;"there's a difference between what you want and what you need ; and google will insistently, relentlessly give you what you want" 1613274;1486787929;phf;"nice trust, hacko, back to your mines" 1613275;1486787932;phf;*try 1613276;1486787978;asciilifeform;phf: set 'verbatim' mode 1613277;1486787984;asciilifeform;(then enjoy the ~0 results) 1613278;1486788887;asciilifeform;http://hubicka.blogspot.com/2014/04/linktime-optimization-in-gcc-1-brief.html << for expert entomologists strictly. 1613279;1486789037;asciilifeform;http://www.open64.net << one of the few actual competitors of gcc (started life as sgi's compiler, published openly, retargeted to x64) VANISHED 1613280;1486789138;asciilifeform;(if archive.usg is to be believed, it disappeared from the net some time between march and june of 2015) 1613281;1486789207;mircea_popescu;hm 1613282;1486789246;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Ap6hm , and then finally https://archive.is/tRo8Q . 1613283;1486789267;mircea_popescu;did you have a copy ? 1613284;1486789273;asciilifeform;nope. 1613285;1486789278;mircea_popescu;tsk, 1613286;1486789313;mircea_popescu;me either. i suspect it's high time to copy everything one might ever need. because... 1613287;1486789317;mircea_popescu;it's all going away. 1613288;1486789511;asciilifeform;http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/cpu-development/x86-open64-compiler-suite << still has (what purports to be) the circa-2013 tarball. 1613289;1486789590;asciilifeform;and holy shit WHY IS ALL OF GCC IN THERE 1613290;1486789666;asciilifeform;and -- i shit thee not -- 373M of src. 1613291;1486789852;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the beobachter, https://archive.is/WMdhE 1613292;1486790026;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/KCUry << another lulzy faek 1613293;1486790587;asciilifeform;but meanwhile, elsewhere in vast monkeystan, https://archive.is/lJxIm >> 'The indictment against Tverdokhlebov is based entirely on the years-old chats, with no hard information about specific thefts, suggesting that the feds are using it as a wedge to try and pry more evidence from Tverdokhlebov’s arrest and the search of his computers. Over government objections, a magistrate judge set Tverdokhlebov’s bail at $100,000 last week 1613294;1486790587;asciilifeform; but stayed the man’s release pending a government appeal, set to be heard in Virginia on Friday. The feds are urging that Tverdokhlebov be held without bail, claiming that he has few ties to the U.S. and enough underworld contacts to flee to Mexico and from there to Russia.' 1613295;1486790643;asciilifeform;d00d apparently stowed it all in benjies. in BANK BOXES. 1613296;1486790653;mircea_popescu;pretty naive. 1613297;1486790809;asciilifeform;apparently the only evidence used in the arrest was the mention of this schmuck's name in logs stolen from some other dekulakization candidate. 1613298;1486791070;asciilifeform;in other oddities, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607665 apparently picked up by the 'pantsuit' folk, https://archive.is/WnaUg >> '...and the nation sometimes needs them to check the president. James Schlesinger’s loyal act of disloyalty...' 1613299;1486791070;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 19:28 ben_vulpes: what is this "nixon-shaped box"? 1613300;1486791091;asciilifeform;loyal acts of disloyalty. didjaknow. 1613301;1486791170;mircea_popescu;heh 1613302;1486791246;mircea_popescu;so far they're losing pretty badly. 1613303;1486791685;asciilifeform;i dun see where is this 'losing'. nao, winning-slightly-slower-than-usual -- sure. 1613304;1486791732;mircea_popescu;in your terms, anything can be said to be anything else. 1613305;1486792154;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/LAiMM << in related winningz 1613306;1486792260;mircea_popescu;they're not even going to try and defend obamacare ; or global warming. that's pretty much it. they're being outflanked on education $$$, there's literally nothing left. desperation moves from umd or the conclave of "tech giants" are just that, beaten dog sqealing because stepped on. 1613307;1486792288;mircea_popescu;i still can't believe they actually opted to engage the judicial system. that was supposed to be the reserve. they've no reserves now. 1613308;1486792303;asciilifeform;it was that or wagner+cyanide 1613309;1486792308;mircea_popescu;it was. 1613310;1486792312;mircea_popescu;but nevertheless. 1613311;1486792434;asciilifeform;if judiciary spins mr.t on its cock like propeller, however, it is not hard to picture obummercare, warmism, the whole orchestra, staying exactly where it is because 'customer has come to expect!' and 'they HAVE RIGHTZ!!!' 1613312;1486792456;mircea_popescu;scarce hope of that. 1613313;1486792489;mircea_popescu;way this works is as an empowerment engine. all trump has to do is keep a steady stream of loud but idiotic fixes coming ; for the judiciary to reject. 1613314;1486792504;mircea_popescu;they're building up his cred, "hey, tried x, tried y, tried z, clinton wouldn't let me!" 1613315;1486792510;asciilifeform;i can see how the spreading worx, mircea_popescu --- but how does the eating work 1613316;1486792528;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1613317;1486792545;mircea_popescu;he doesn't actually need to do anything. all he needs is a good excuse as to why he isn't. so far - they're providing him it. 1613318;1486792550;asciilifeform;well what's the ??? step between 'they wouldn't let me!!' and the proverbial 'profit' 1613319;1486792562;mircea_popescu;!~google mineriada 1613320;1486792563;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Mineriad - Wikipedia: ; June 1990 Mineriad - Wikipedia: ; Mineriada din iunie 1990 - Wikipedia: 1613321;1486792575;asciilifeform;^ is in the l0gz, was quite a read 1613322;1486792593;mircea_popescu;standard procedure. yeltsin bombarded the parliament building yes 1613323;1486792859;asciilifeform;this is obviously possible. note that however nixon did not bombard anything. 1613324;1486792878;asciilifeform;and mr.t has not one schlesinger but, if we are to believe, 1,001. 1613325;1486792881;mircea_popescu;nixon didn't run on a "i will tear down washington dc" ticket. 1613326;1486792884;asciilifeform;tru 1613327;1486792955;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's kind-of the hope, i guess, with all the "loyal disloyalty" and "leaks from wh" bs, that maybe he's doing something. except -- he isn't. 1613328;1486792990;mircea_popescu;his winning strat is to watch tv in bathrobe all day, and underline press reports. which is what's literally eating their hearts out. 1613329;1486793037;mircea_popescu;whole machinery's geared up to obstruct a naive nixon, trying to get shit done. it has exactly 0 solutions for the stark opposite. 1613330;1486814925;netmonk;hello 1613331;1486822919;mircea_popescu;heya netmonk 1613332;1486822921;mircea_popescu;how goes ? 1613333;1486822952;netmonk;fine 1613334;1486828598;asciilifeform;in other 'neinneinneinneinnein!'s, https://archive.is/q7bf1 >> 'Fake news is “killing people’s minds” according to Apple boss Tim Cook, who is urging the Government to launch a public information campaign to counteract the problem. Mr Cook called for a an awareness campaign similar to those which alerted people to health epidemics such as AIDS in the 1980s and environmental issues including the ozone layer in the 1990s.' 1613335;1486828600;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1613336;1486828687;asciilifeform;'Just as major tech companies have accepted they have a social responsibility to combat piracy online and the illegal sharing of content, they also need to help address the spreading of fake news on social media platforms.' << didjaalsoknow. 1613337;1486828694;asciilifeform;RESPONSIBILITY! 1613338;1486828721;BingoBoingo;Tech companies have a responsibilitit to STFU and Labcoin already 1613339;1486828736;BingoBoingo;*Amazing companies 1613340;1486829386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cook has a point. trump wh should launch a campaign (paid with public funds) denouncing the ~foreign propaganda~ pushed by the guardian and urging people not to read the libertard fishwraps, nyt&co. 1613341;1486829397;mircea_popescu;specifically because fake news is killing people's minds. 1613342;1486829466;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "tech companies". basically all that's left of the us economy these days is inept dorks playing the "many web users matter!!11" roulette. 1613343;1486829492;mircea_popescu;technically speaking the us economy is ~= egypt economy. the us has silicon valley, egypt has the luxor center for businessmen. fair crop. 1613344;1486829530;BingoBoingo;Well, there's still ass to mouth welfare cycle that feeds walmart and lowers farmers to pederasty 1613345;1486829545;mircea_popescu;there is. 1613346;1486829552;BingoBoingo;From which a bit leaks to feed SV iTunes-isms 1613347;1486829681;mircea_popescu;yeah basically, let's draw this engine. 1613348;1486829746;mircea_popescu;so, the chinese are willing to pay for real estate ; either in the form of actual land, or in the form of distilled land as soy, mineral rights, etc. there's basically an infinite demand for this, they'll buy it all up, whole planet, no problem. 1613349;1486829772;mircea_popescu;the chinese are also willing to pay ~a little~ for umd services, namely, the stamping of "this chinese guy is as good as the best white man" on foreheads of their second sons. 1613350;1486829791;BingoBoingo;Ag subsidies supply Walmart. Walmart harvest SNAP and WIC food programs. SV collects opportunistic purchases of iTunes giftcards at walmart register. 1613351;1486829794;mircea_popescu;the chinese are at the same time pumping out manufactured goods. this is infinite quantity, as much as you can take, no problem. 1613352;1486829825;mircea_popescu;and the whole of the "us" ie really all nato ie really all white world - russia (and - the muslims, if you think they're wwhite) works a cycle which consists of two spinners 1613353;1486829905;mircea_popescu;the "real" spinner, which consists of turning the soil into dust to produce chinese real estate ; this is "farming" and "real estate development" and "mining" and etcetera. such as the soy production in argentina, now and again lulzed at in the logs. dudes totally gutted this place. 1613354;1486829936;mircea_popescu;and the "fake" spinner, which consists of turning the minds of the populace into dust, doing bizarro hollywood-like tournament markets. 1613355;1486829956;mircea_popescu;the latter spinner is spun from the former, but only as much as absolutely strictly needed. 1613356;1486829978;mircea_popescu;that's the whole "who could really imagine the earth could open up to swallow the immense resources of ingenuity of the us". 1613357;1486829983;mircea_popescu;the earth did open up, did swallow. 1613358;1486830045;BingoBoingo;Lo 1613359;1486830201;mircea_popescu;given all this : a) war with chinese must start today ; b) internment camp for us lefties should have already been a thing. the japs had no business being there in ww2. the us left has no business being alive. 1613360;1486830455;asciilifeform;lel, war with the folx having planet's ~only remaining general-purpose industrial base. will go great 1613361;1486830510;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mexico still exists! 1613362;1486830575;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pygmystans where foreign devils set up conveyors, made of imported devilstuff, for pygmy to slave at, are not 'industrial base' 1613363;1486830643;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's a sort of refugarium were US companies that are too white to rassle Chinesium maintaim production under their own management. 1613364;1486830648;BingoBoingo;*where 1613365;1486830679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you drop the hand the moment you know it can't win, not the moment you feel you can afford to do so. 1613366;1486830713;mircea_popescu;we're not fucking women. feelings don't enter into it. war before winter, and the wholesale of california 20yos to saudi princes. 1613367;1486830761;mircea_popescu;sadly, the chinese are too smart to take them. that'd have been the historical way out of this predicament, and how venice survived eg, charles. 1613368;1486830791;mircea_popescu;or for that matter what sustained the jews through their 5k years. no, it wasn't "the sense of humor", LEL! no, it wasn't "the covenant" 1613369;1486830802;mircea_popescu;it was that rachel wouldn't shut up and wouldn't stop riding the cock. 1613370;1486830886;mircea_popescu;at which juncture, mp warmly recommends http://trilema.com/2016/black-book/ 1613371;1486831219;asciilifeform;china is 'black box' -- i for instance have genuinely nfi whether they nixed their equiv. of 'elbrus', or merely hid it. (and i know of nobody showing any symptom of publicly having half a clue re subj) 1613372;1486831584;mircea_popescu;aha 1613373;1486832332;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/amid-increased-leftist-violence-in-us-local-resistance-leader-disappears-in-missouri/ << Qntra - Amid Increased Leftist Violence In US, Local Resistance Leader Disappears In Missouri 1613374;1486834749;mircea_popescu;heh 1613375;1486838286;mircea_popescu;dat moment when one asks for a timestamp and it comes out 13:37 1613376;1486838504;BingoBoingo;Win 1613377;1486858513;mircea_popescu;so apparently we've progressed from imaginary lag-on-demand to simply disconnecting every coupla hours or so. 1613378;1486860556;mod6;:< 1613379;1486860573;mircea_popescu;how's tricks mod6 1613380;1486860593;mod6;pretty good! 1613381;1486860702;mod6;We've moved into the testing phase of the changes for V. So that's nice. 1613382;1486860712;mircea_popescu;a yeah 1613383;1486860859;mod6;I talked to my tailor today about getting some linen suits made for this upcoming summer. Guy was shocked. 1613384;1486860881;mircea_popescu;o hey 1613385;1486860904;mod6;He said that it's very nice to hear someone wants one, he says that almost no-one even thinks about them or wants them. Which he thinks is crazy too, since it's so HUMID in the summer. 1613386;1486860915;mircea_popescu;ya 1613387;1486860921;mod6;Last summer I thought I would boil a few days with wool. So, high time to get something ligher. :] 1613388;1486860936;mircea_popescu;linen is a pretty cool fabric altogether. 1613389;1486860956;mod6;Yah, looking forward to that. 1613390;1486861800;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F8DE075CDBAA6097DE1BF6B4BA32A47399B1098244E6E3C83374BA3024DF981 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.9.13 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.9.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1613391;1486861800;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AB1CC7C0F992FB8527D4B489D4202EB78672F9E0A7F2908A5A3611A00611CDE6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1613392;1486861800;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A62696B656653402759498A68587377998E23A690CAFE8ADAB4F44B45D3F45B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.57 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1613393;1486861800;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A62696B656653402759498A68587377998E23A690CAFE8ADAB4F44B45D3F45B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9606...9877 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.57 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1613394;1486877907;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/11/planned-parenthood-supporter-shoved-wet-maxi-pad-pro-life-activists-mouth-arrested/ 1613395;1486911487;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/C0F5I >> '"The proposal aims to ensure that no later than by the end of 2020, a new Windows Basic Client should be the standard city client," a Munich city council spokesman said.' 1613396;1486912262;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1613397;1486912269;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1000.04, vol: 2965.03842478 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 990.698, vol: 3686.6092 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 999.1, vol: 5261.17236365 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 989.785053, vol: 6542.26550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1004.2, vol: 768.84103716 | Volume-weighted last average: 994.667631755 1613398;1486912873;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/apprentice-lapidary-consideration/ << Daniel P. Barron - Apprentice Lapidary Consideration 1613399;1486913469;mircea_popescu;yeah germany dropped foss these years. 1613400;1486914165;mircea_popescu;and for the amateur geometrian in attenance : given a radius r and a distance d, specify the length l of the average square a grille of total length d will cover the circle of radius r in. 1613401;1486914200;mircea_popescu;(trivial case : if d = 4r then l = r) 1613402;1486914201;BingoBoingo;OMG it's been a few hours since mircea_popescu got fleanoded! 1613403;1486914213;mircea_popescu;yeah trying a 3rd geneation item here. 1613404;1486916148;mod6;cool 1613405;1486916159;mircea_popescu;and in other shakes, http://68.media.tumblr.com/753256e456f2f4ea72cb4eb7fa893740/tumblr_odd9w7Oe9N1s4dxj3o1_500.gif 1613406;1486916283;*;mod6 is mesmerized 1613407;1486916328;mircea_popescu;hehe 1613408;1486916651;mircea_popescu;look into teh light! 1613409;1486919591;mod6;lol 1613410;1486920247;mircea_popescu;and in other successful blowjobs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e397539c09f19b121e357d2890dce6fa/tumblr_nst4f1ydiV1tcimvao1_500.gif 1613411;1486922036;mod6;nb 1613412;1486922347;davout;mircea_popescu: what was this article in which i remember you saying that the "super-rich" advocating for higher taxes was in fact a way to hurt the "reasonably-rich"? 1613413;1486922379;davout;buffet's (iirc) "we need higher taxes!11" 1613414;1486922400;mircea_popescu;one sec 1613415;1486922425;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ 1613416;1486922626;davout;ah ty! 1613417;1486922638;mircea_popescu;my pleasure 1613418;1486925606;mircea_popescu;in other desperations, "The Spy Revolt Against Trump Begins" http://observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-administration-mike-flynn-russian-embassy/ 1613419;1486925632;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder, obama approved bradform manning and trump's leaking. 1613420;1486926025;hanbot;https://www.wdt.edu/ << for mircea_popescu's latest story series 1613421;1486926189;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1613422;1486928756;mircea_popescu;and in practice-makes-perfect news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1173d7ec08795ae5dab49eeb627e39ce/tumblr_ngw5p5YiOd1sldaxio1_400.gif 1613423;1486932579;hanbot;!~bcstats 1613424;1486932580;jhvh1;hanbot: Current Blocks: 452738 | Current Difficulty: 4.22170566883E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 453599 | Next Difficulty In: 861 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 6 hours, 14 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1613425;1486933169;mircea_popescu;lol trump called cuban an-epithet-heard-on-trilema 1613426;1486934028;hanbot;and the current star of my old trilema post appreciation: http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-we-pretend-to-be-miners-fo-real/ 1613427;1486934361;mircea_popescu;lmao 1613428;1486934397;mircea_popescu;it didn't ring any bells so i went to check it out, cracked me up 1613429;1486934452;mircea_popescu;cue carlin's old "you go vote ; i'll go home to to approximately the same thing, but when i'll be done i'll have something to show for it." 1613430;1486934677;hanbot;lol 1613431;1486936969;jurov;"errors" : "URGENT: Alert key compromised, upgrade required" lmao power rangers leaked? 1613432;1486937674;asciilifeform;lel jurov 1613433;1486937683;asciilifeform;Run Moar Prb... 1613434;1486937797;jurov;apparently https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2016-11-01-alert-retirement 1613435;1486949881;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/yes-man/ << Trilema - Yes Man 1613436;1486950357;mircea_popescu;!!up toki 1613437;1486950357;deedbot;toki voiced for 30 minutes. 1613438;1486950992;toki;Scenario : nanomechanical warfare evolved to a point where artificial pathogens become indistinguishable from superbugs or bioterrorism. Solution? 1613439;1486951254;mircea_popescu;!!key Hero 1613440;1486951255;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5D8FC3B2C1C3179A966CB74983E2E91F4AC17FC4.asc 1613441;1486953671;BingoBoingo;!!up 1613442;1486953672;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/sIA9y/?raw=true 1613443;1486953678;BingoBoingo;!!up toki 1613444;1486953679;deedbot;toki voiced for 30 minutes. 1613445;1486953722;BingoBoingo;toki: Solution is ???, Profit. Now for the important question: Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1613446;1486954032;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/guest-strip/ 1613447;1486960279;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6578 1613448;1486963625;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2CDAFA01E2E11B8BF049CA4B4C4B68B1FFF22C63AB036EC760BEF401C81DDB89 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...9347 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.50.254.109 (ssh-rsa key from 194.50.254.109 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown UA) 1613449;1486963625;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2CDAFA01E2E11B8BF049CA4B4C4B68B1FFF22C63AB036EC760BEF401C81DDB89 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1688...4909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.50.254.109 (ssh-rsa key from 194.50.254.109 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown UA) 1613450;1486964165;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B66E57722558E2F0ED64F2AB2BDE34E493A3C309FE2CD38C1CF595C88BDA33AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1601...4317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.70.43.158 (ssh-rsa key from 69.70.43.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (modemcable158.43-70-69.static.videotron.ca. CA QC) 1613451;1486964165;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B66E57722558E2F0ED64F2AB2BDE34E493A3C309FE2CD38C1CF595C88BDA33AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1609...5423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.70.43.158 (ssh-rsa key from 69.70.43.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (modemcable158.43-70-69.static.videotron.ca. CA QC) 1613452;1486966295;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC17420673A4A209ADF729718C338E26CF3E0E4E4434B0563687CF8BE80F2591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1660...6923 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.231.44.233 (ssh-rsa key from 109.231.44.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (109.231.44.233.koba.pl. PL) 1613453;1486966296;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC17420673A4A209ADF729718C338E26CF3E0E4E4434B0563687CF8BE80F2591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...0299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.231.44.233 (ssh-rsa key from 109.231.44.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (109.231.44.233.koba.pl. PL) 1613454;1486968470;ben_vulpes;make california great again: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article132358789.html 1613455;1486968526;ben_vulpes;pretty serious risk of losing the emergency spillway apparently 1613456;1486968685;ben_vulpes;dams are my favorite human folly 1613457;1486969467;mircea_popescu;also cheapest power there is. 1613458;1486970372;ben_vulpes;that's what makes it so tempting! 1613459;1486970420;ben_vulpes;stand back everyone i'm just going to deform the crust to perform a bit of geoatmospheric arbitrage 1613460;1486970686;mircea_popescu;works where it works. not hydro power's fault all sorts of idiots wanna "make do with what they got" 1613461;1486970779;mircea_popescu;the great "march of progress" narrative is fed off discrete bits. for instance -- the nile created a flood plain. for tens of thousands of years. not anymore. 1613462;1486970937;mircea_popescu;every dick and jane's expectation that "we did it reddit" is the faint echo of, man walked on the moon and generally speaking drove a wedge forcing a reevaluation of the celestial peerage. "as eternal as the nile flood" is no longer equal to "as eternal as the tide". 1613463;1486970970;mircea_popescu;tide -- not dammed yet. 1613464;1486971312;ben_vulpes;progress! 1613465;1486971673;mircea_popescu;quite 1613466;1486985946;Reuel;mircea_popescu your site seems to be down? 1613467;1486991109;mircea_popescu;Reuel nah it's there. i suppose we've moved on to the 2017 testing of the infrastructure. 1613468;1486991192;mircea_popescu;consider that this is done on the very last limb of a huge apparatus of idle losers, maintained at very great expense by a tooth and claw fight to prevent trump appointments! the spy ustate rebells! etcetera! 1613469;1486991365;Reuel;I like how you immediately take the mountaintop view there lol 1613470;1486991386;Reuel;But it is some kind ddos then? 1613471;1486991395;mircea_popescu;well, trilema has been online for a long time, eventually you get over the immediacy of it all. 1613472;1486991407;mircea_popescu;pretty much every year some bright young derp comes up with this. 1613473;1486993847;mircea_popescu;Reuel meanwhile confirmed, bout 20gpbs classic syn flood ; gear will be up and running in ~hour, come back then. 1613474;1486993987;Reuel;Cool, will do 1613475;1486994152;shinohai;!~weather 1613476;1486994152;jhvh1;stormy with a chance of packeting 1613477;1486994158;shinohai;still not chnaged 1613478;1486994174;mircea_popescu;lel 1613479;1486994231;mircea_popescu;props to Reuel though, i think he noticed the same second it happened or some shit. 1613480;1486994246;Reuel;Pure coincidence 1613481;1486994341;Reuel;I was looking for an article but forgot the name, in it you were talking about Eulora and most games being spreadsheets for people used to work spreadsheets or something like that 1613482;1486994370;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. sparked by eve lel 1613483;1486994398;mircea_popescu;and in other hippy dippy weatherman, it's raining here with a purely tropical intensity. the city's going to be flooded again. 1613484;1486994429;mircea_popescu;these idiots, they get entirely disrupted by admittedly heavy rains twice a year, they flail about helplessly on tv about it THAT DAY and that's that, that's it, go right back to their regularly scheduled dickholding and netflix. 1613485;1486994961;diana_coman;they get...disrupted? from what? by the sound of it, they just get one day of tv out of it; only twice a year, too, how unfair 1613486;1486995041;mircea_popescu;diana_coman can't get from point a to point b, what it usually means. 1613487;1486995057;mircea_popescu;admittedly, hard to actually disrupt 1-neuron hydra. 1613488;1486995069;diana_coman;but that supposes one actually has some businesses going from a to b, some aim as in going exactly to b etc 1613489;1486995131;mircea_popescu;well, perversely, it either presupposes THAT or else as the more commonly the case in socialist states (really argentina is what the us was aspiring to be with ronald mcclinton) that they have 0 business to do anyway. in which case not being able to do particular subset x of the pile of things you weren't going to do anyway somehow stands out. 1613490;1486995140;mircea_popescu;it's only the people in the middle who have alternative, as it were. 1613491;1486995175;mircea_popescu;if you do something now and again, flood can be welcome respite. if you do things all the time OR NEVER, floods are threatening, existentially. 1613492;1486995427;diana_coman;hm, in total stillness any change is potentially threatening on an existential level, I can see that, yes 1613493;1486995516;diana_coman;ftr each and every time I witnessed this sort of flailing it meant without exception that NOTHING was going to be done about it - people needed to let go of steam/put on a show/whatever but basically to avoid doing something about it 1613494;1486995526;mircea_popescu;ayep. 1613495;1486995539;trinque;isn't there some bureau for this? call the ministry of inconvenient weather. it's not like we're some poor country without one. 1613496;1486995557;*;trinque recalls the epic video of portlanders sliding down an icy hill one by one 1613497;1486995851;mircea_popescu;right-o. 1613498;1486995911;mircea_popescu;!~later tell peterl since you're both in the field and unlazy, here's a thought - i would like to see a quantitative history of life in terms of biopumps. i dunno that this was ever done, and it's a crying shame. 1613499;1486995911;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1613500;1486995967;mircea_popescu;what i mean specifically is that if we turned all biomass to ash today, life wouldn't be able to just start right back up with people in the way computers would. if i break all the computers nobody's making the pentium 1 all over again. 1613501;1486996022;mircea_popescu;but if i physically extinguish life, it will have to go through its whole ontogenesis, not strictly because of gnosis problem (ie, WHO is doing the jumps ? life's extinguished, there's n oreserve medium) but because of a purely physical problem. 1613502;1486996053;mircea_popescu;to have mammals, you need the citric pump. this may not exist, physically, until enough precursors have been built up. they can only be built up by specific metabolic processes. 1613503;1486996114;mircea_popescu;which is why that ancient trilema article about my encounter with the aliens and the discussions re the nth roman empire and the perennial nature of the english language as well as more recently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612893 and the coal in soil discussion. 1613504;1486996114;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 06:04 mircea_popescu: (guru meditation : whence does a tree's mass come from ?) 1613505;1486996148;mircea_popescu;turns out that yes, there IS an endothermic reaction available for coal, but nevertheless that notwithstanding, there IS NO microorganism that takes soil coal and turns it into c02 and its own livelihood. 1613506;1486996172;mircea_popescu;coal must be taken in the form of live tree, or live leaf, or recently dead tree, or leaf, or bug, or somesuch. not as charcoal. 1613507;1486996203;mircea_popescu;now some of these pumps i know, but some, especially at the very early bacteria/algae/protist early history we probably do not know. 1613508;1486996279;mircea_popescu;so therefore, a history of life in terms of "first, you gotta get natrium pump going, as seen in thiomargarita. then, when enough X is piled up, (no less than q) you can start xantophyl pump. when enough etc etc" 1613509;1486996282;mircea_popescu;does this make any sesne ? 1613510;1486996506;shinohai;someone has to keep the fires of auschwitz burning 1613511;1486996516;mircea_popescu;heh 1613512;1486996577;mircea_popescu;shinohai the auschwitz reference is oddly on point, because it was the first large scale encounter with a problem very much in this vein : if body goes long enough without sufficient intake, it eventually digests the proteins thatmake up the intake manifold for its protein digestion cycle, resulting in a situation where the body is alive but not for long, even if you feed it it can't digest anymore. 1613513;1486996686;mircea_popescu;anyway, the advantage of the above approach, at least from a "teach smart kids biology, physics and systems design" pov, is that it scales extremely well. discussion can be made as short or as infinitely complex as the bright young mind has patience for. 1613514;1486999331;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: The truly amazing part is that Los Angeles is just going to drink that puddle dry again 1613515;1486999823;*;BingoBoingo enjoys reports saying "dam is fine, undamaged" While substantial parts of the dam (i.e. spillways) are damaged. 1613516;1486999879;trinque;danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/fuckgoats-for-sale/ << I was perhaps interested, but your old blog posts are all gone ? 1613517;1487000169;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the part that matters is undamaged! celestial empire in the sky, untouched by the corruption of matter! 1613518;1487000787;trinque;http://archive.is/T36Uj << nevermind, looks like they're more expensive from dpb 1613519;1487001272;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Until the water does it's thing, topping and crushing dam with the weight of... mebbe 3 or 4 celestial hamplanets 1613520;1487001544;BingoBoingo;Anyway, what's the problem. California was dry, now has water. Problem solved! 1613521;1487001685;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-13#1613468 << if mr.t on the throne for 8 yrs and at the end of the 7th same exact thing still happens -- still work of 'hangers on' ? 1613522;1487001685;a111;Logged on 2017-02-13 13:06 mircea_popescu: consider that this is done on the very last limb of a huge apparatus of idle losers, maintained at very great expense by a tooth and claw fight to prevent trump appointments! the spy ustate rebells! etcetera! 1613523;1487001766;asciilifeform;now i dun have an intel agency, or even dirigible, but i did read mr.t's campaign brochure and 'surrender to bitcoin' wasn't in there. 1613524;1487001930;BingoBoingo;But loudly do nothing at all was! 1613525;1487001984;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'loudly doing nothing at all' is a privilege of the brass. to grunts it remains to 'loudly feign activity' 1613526;1487002116;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/372OG >> 'Francis Rawls, a former Philadelphia police sergeant, has been in the Philadelphia Federal Detention Center for more than 16 months. His crime: the fired police officer has been found in contempt of court for refusing a judge's order to unlock two hard drives the authorities believe contain child pornography. Theoretically, Rawls can remain jailed indefinitely until he complies.' 1613527;1487002139;asciilifeform;^ iirc there are at least half a dozen of these nao, and these are just the ~known~ cases 1613528;1487002152;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-13#1613506 << in none of the experimentation and blather through which i dug did anyone posit 'coal' as a carbon source. my limited understanding is that its role is threefold: surface area for bacterial colonization; surface area to ameliorate fertilizer runoff and leaching into the ground; and to improve porosity. 1613529;1487002152;a111;Logged on 2017-02-13 14:29 mircea_popescu: coal must be taken in the form of live tree, or live leaf, or recently dead tree, or leaf, or bug, or somesuch. not as charcoal. 1613530;1487002235;asciilifeform;in quite other noose, https://archive.is/l7LmL >> e. voorhees apparently had been a loud, unabashed gavinist for ages 1613531;1487002476;mod6;mornin' 1613532;1487002482;asciilifeform;hey mod6 1613533;1487003595;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AC7FA97D5B4F4D807DDC44904CF658CA415EC45E2E0D092A08B071540704CB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1380...5359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '166.111.26.2 (ssh-rsa key from 166.111.26.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sparc.phys.tsinghua.edu.cn. CN) 1613534;1487003595;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AC7FA97D5B4F4D807DDC44904CF658CA415EC45E2E0D092A08B071540704CB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1501...2429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '166.111.26.2 (ssh-rsa key from 166.111.26.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sparc.phys.tsinghua.edu.cn. CN) 1613535;1487003768;asciilifeform;in other possible BingoBoingo/qntra fodder, https://archive.is/jMxrw >> 'TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — A state trooper was justified when he shot a 76-year-old man last summer inside a home mistakenly linked to a 911 call, an investigation by New Jersey's attorney general has concluded.' 1613536;1487004318;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-13#1613534 >> 'We are a group of condensed matter theory. Our specific study targets are materials which possess novel quantum properties such as topological insulators, low dimension materials with strong quantum confinement, and new materials with excellent quantum transport properties. We focus on material electronic and phonon properties and their optical, electromagnetic, thermal responses. Our res 1613537;1487004318;a111;Logged on 2017-02-13 16:33 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AC7FA97D5B4F4D807DDC44904CF658CA415EC45E2E0D092A08B071540704CB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1501...2429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '166.111.26.2 (ssh-rsa key from 166.111.26.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sparc.phys.tsinghua.edu.cn. CN) 1613538;1487004318;asciilifeform;earch has a close relationship with industrial applications in its guidance on designing electronic devices.' 1613539;1487004319;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1613540;1487007971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well obviously not. 1613541;1487008023;mircea_popescu;7th year of nigger != 8th year of nigger. same as with prikoke, the lifespan of domestic animals is a very peculiar nonliniarity. 1613542;1487008043;mircea_popescu;each day ~member of the family until the day it's member of the family meal. 1613543;1487008081;asciilifeform;well, member of latrine basement contingent until member of meal 1613544;1487008096;mircea_popescu;hey, a family by definition has different ranking members. 1613545;1487008274;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the pseudoscientific gunk you reviewed does not form part of this discussion though, they're as irrelevant to anything to do with people as the chirping of the birds. 1613546;1487008310;mircea_popescu;what, i'm going to engage it as if it were for reals, now ? they "posited" whatever random bullshit, might as well be on wikireddit for all the difference it can make irl. 1613547;1487008381;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-13#1613530 << the experience with the sec formed him, i guess. 1613548;1487008381;a111;Logged on 2017-02-13 16:10 asciilifeform: in quite other noose, https://archive.is/l7LmL >> e. voorhees apparently had been a loud, unabashed gavinist for ages 1613549;1487008459;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-13#1613539 << hey, cvasitheoretical physicists will always exist. and they'll always say ~the same things. 1613550;1487008459;a111;Logged on 2017-02-13 16:45 asciilifeform: didjaknow. 1613551;1487008489;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and, apparently, run botched debian. 1613552;1487008493;mircea_popescu;doh. 1613553;1487008523;mircea_popescu;and in today's wtf, home directory size 3022328952, full backup package 12619700949. 1613554;1487008545;mircea_popescu;guess what fails silently on "unexpected!!1" "too large!!" and your first choice is backup scripts. 1613555;1487008576;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E308FEA20D21A62A5165DB316B50DBD6BD755919F6AB0B6A45C0D6BD90F6FAF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1689...2349 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.162.98.175 (ssh-rsa key from 192.162.98.175 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (175.98.bartanet.cz. CZ KR 525) 1613556;1487008577;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E308FEA20D21A62A5165DB316B50DBD6BD755919F6AB0B6A45C0D6BD90F6FAF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...2169 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.162.98.175 (ssh-rsa key from 192.162.98.175 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (175.98.bartanet.cz. CZ KR 525) 1613557;1487008705;mircea_popescu;apparently i'm the first lightbulb to have come up with the theory that IF (and this is a very doubtful if in the first place) your backup process should fail according to the size backed up, then it is logical for it to faill for it being TOO SMALL, not for it being too big. 1613558;1487008861;asciilifeform;'unix philosophy'!! includes 'it will break and you won't know why until the smell of cooked flesh' 1613559;1487008876;mircea_popescu;pretty much exactly. 1613560;1487008967;asciilifeform;at one time i wrote a proggy that generated a few million files every time it ran, for perfectly legitimate reason. it ended up breaking every script i've been habitually using for years, in exactly mircea_popescu's way 1613561;1487008987;mircea_popescu;this sort of thjing happens to me about every other project. 1613562;1487008993;mircea_popescu;"oh, things work" "do x" "uh...." 1613563;1487009009;mircea_popescu;now, SOMETIMES, it's like in the case of the lisp ai, where i was lazy and didn't actually provision properly. 1613564;1487009017;mircea_popescu;but this is relatively rare. generally, it happens because... uh... 1613565;1487009025;mircea_popescu;"we never thought of using a plane like a rocket" 1613566;1487009036;mircea_popescu;bitch. what the fuck DID you think of using it as, a dildo ? 1613567;1487009045;asciilifeform;'didn't somebody tell you which three chairs are sittable on, from the 500 ?' etc 1613568;1487009135;mircea_popescu;myeah 1613569;1487009925;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2KZaD7hFSM << 2 ru d00dz call u.s. congressmonkey, role play ukr, and convince her of 'war of the worlds'-style lulz 1613570;1487009990;mircea_popescu;heh 1613571;1487010005;mircea_popescu;fortunately it doesn't count. 1613572;1487010695;mircea_popescu;!!up pete_dushenski 1613573;1487010695;deedbot;pete_dushenski voiced for 30 minutes. 1613574;1487010698;mircea_popescu;!!up PeterL 1613575;1487010698;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1613576;1487010708;PeterL;ty 1613577;1487010752;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-13#1613498 << interesting line of thought, 1613578;1487010752;a111;Logged on 2017-02-13 14:25 mircea_popescu: !~later tell peterl since you're both in the field and unlazy, here's a thought - i would like to see a quantitative history of life in terms of biopumps. i dunno that this was ever done, and it's a crying shame. 1613579;1487010764;mircea_popescu;aha! 1613580;1487010781;PeterL;when I google for "biopump", I just get a bunch of pictures of sexy womens' shoes 1613581;1487010793;PeterL;but I get the gist of what you are saying 1613582;1487010804;mircea_popescu;heh. but you understand what i mean yes ? biological processes are chiefly defined through turning one class of substance into a narrower other class 1613583;1487010816;mircea_popescu;it's what "forensics" and "pathology" and everything relies on, pumpage differentials. 1613584;1487010836;mircea_popescu;prolly high time all this patchwork was systematized. 1613585;1487010866;PeterL;The early earth astmosphere has been speculated to have been non-oxygen, before we could have aerobic metabolism first we needed a bunch of anaerobes shitting out oxygen, E.G. 1613586;1487010883;mircea_popescu;hence why my example started with thio* 1613587;1487010891;mircea_popescu;early respiration was doubtless N 1613588;1487010938;PeterL;more biochemistry than what I usually think about, but still interesting. 1613589;1487010954;mircea_popescu;or me, for that matter. 1613590;1487011113;PeterL;I'll put it on the list of stuff to think about. 1613591;1487011135;PeterL;Gotta run, will be reading the log. 1613592;1487011155;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-10#949583 << did we ever find this ? 1613593;1487011155;a111;Logged on 2014-12-10 00:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so. 1613594;1487013199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not afaik. and not from lack of try 1613595;1487013209;asciilifeform;(i end up digging for it every month or so) 1613596;1487013648;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-sunshine/ << Trilema - Little Miss Sunshine 1613597;1487014133;mircea_popescu;darn. 1613598;1487014146;mircea_popescu;was like late 2013 - early 2014 too 1613599;1487014640;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-09#970930 in other old lulz. 1613600;1487014640;a111;Logged on 2015-01-09 07:49 mircea_popescu: "That's quite publicity for MP for a mere 5 BTC (he owns half bitbet), maybe less. (It's obvious that bitcoin will go up faster, so not many will bet no)" 1613601;1487014644;*;mircea_popescu is trying to dredge it up 1613602;1487014821;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-28#-49508 if you need for qntra :D 1613603;1487014821;a111;Logged on 2013-03-28 13:15 mircea_popescu: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/28/hundreds-of-armed-vigilantes-seize-mexican-town-arrest-local-police/ 1613604;1487014857;mircea_popescu;could be played straight, title, description of the event, last line is "by the way this happened in 2013." 1613605;1487015728;mircea_popescu;o shit it gets better. 1613606;1487015729;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-08#822992 1613607;1487015729;a111;Logged on 2014-09-08 22:35 mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy." 1613608;1487016325;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#515574 1613609;1487016325;a111;Logged on 2014-02-19 06:21 mircea_popescu: an old american moves to a thai village. 1613610;1487016360;pete_dushenski;just searched 'thai' 1613611;1487016367;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski is a winner. asciilifeform must have spent 6+ hrs total to date digging, and never once found. 1613612;1487016386;mircea_popescu;no fucking way 1613613;1487016409;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well done eh! 1613614;1487016444;pete_dushenski;happy to help. took all of ten seconds 1613615;1487016466;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was here for the past half hour, ended up witha pile of other articles. for instance http://trilema.com/2010/a-fi-fraier/ whiuch i think ima atranslate comments and all. 1613616;1487016486;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski first solid example of the tru power of crowd sourcing. except it's not exactly a crowd. 1613617;1487016511;pete_dushenski;10 man crowd == small sports team 1613618;1487016531;pete_dushenski;teamsourcing has a ring to it actually 1613619;1487016610;pete_dushenski;in other teamwork, looks like j. trudeau didn't completely faceplant when meeting with agent orange today http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2017/02/13/joint-statement-president-donald-j-trump-and-prime-minister-justin-trudeau 1613620;1487016638;mircea_popescu;ahahaha is trump's secret agent codename "agent orange" ? 1613621;1487016691;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: from your earlier rag : http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/13/rapper-busta-rhymes-slams-trump-as-president-agent-orange-during-fiery-grammys-performance/ 1613622;1487016717;pete_dushenski;kinda lulzy 1613623;1487016736;mircea_popescu;pretty great. 1613624;1487020116;mircea_popescu;!~later tell diana_coman http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HN4Jw/?raw=true 1613625;1487020116;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1613626;1487024040;ben_vulpes;you guys 1613627;1487024043;ben_vulpes;ruby has an eigenclass 1613628;1487024059;ben_vulpes;what the FUCK 1613629;1487024081;ben_vulpes;"hi i have a rudimentary understanding that some words related to mathematics exist and have spent too much time glomming strings together. please kill me!" 1613630;1487024133;mircea_popescu;reminds me of those weirdo transforms in that weirdo wanna-be language we discussed recently. 1613631;1487024146;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591144 1613632;1487024146;a111;Logged on 2016-12-27 17:44 mircea_popescu: holy shit "Quaternion.Euler" is a full blown core function. and wait, there's more : http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/765683/when-to-use-quaternion-vs-euler-angles.html 1613633;1487024245;ben_vulpes;heh yeah 1613634;1487024254;ben_vulpes;hey i had a blast with quaternions once upon a time 1613635;1487024277;mircea_popescu;these however are spuriounions. 1613636;1487024406;ben_vulpes;"fuck, buddy. it's just a coordinate transform, you can handle those right?" 1613637;1487025380;BingoBoingo;tyvm 1613638;1487025701;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yCTHc/?raw=true << ho ho ho god the pathologies on display 1613639;1487025734;ben_vulpes;"a line was crossed" nobody can use active voice anymore, saying your enemy's name doesn't give him power over you witchcraft isn't a thing 1613640;1487025767;ben_vulpes;"when core democratic ideals feel under attack" << core democratic ideals! feel! a+ "assuming the sale" right there 1613641;1487025780;ben_vulpes;"feel" hyu still cracks me up 1613642;1487025795;BingoBoingo;http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/02/13/singer-joy-villa-wears-trump-dress-to-grammys.html 1613643;1487025804;ben_vulpes;"on behalf of democracy, equality, human rights, social justice and sustainability" << sustainability! 1613644;1487025825;ben_vulpes;in with these other words whose meanings have drained from them at the hands of leftists bloodletters 1613645;1487025826;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Do you know what provides surface area and that bacteria <3 more than charcoal? Peat moss 1613646;1487025839;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: do i hafta buy it from a factory? 1613647;1487025854;ben_vulpes;or does it come from some bog somewhere, extracted at rates far greater than the bog can replenish 1613648;1487025884;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: More you buy it from a mine of sorts, usually in Canada, and the fact of its extraction is why you must buy it while it still is cheap 1613649;1487025913;ben_vulpes;stockpile peat moss. k. 1613650;1487025917;ben_vulpes;thanks BingoBoingo 1613651;1487025948;BingoBoingo;Well not necessary pile, just load it up into the soil. Then mebbe pile some up. 1613652;1487025964;ben_vulpes;"are open to anyone who want to create a bright future that's rich with opportunity and freedom for all" << what if my bright future doesn't include towelheads, but it's still bright for everyone else, am i still welcome? 1613653;1487025998;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i will keep that in mind for that oft-dreamt-of-day when i'm unlikely to relocate in five years 1613654;1487026012;ben_vulpes;not particularly interested in large scale soil amendment projects largely benefitting others 1613655;1487026043;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Then make some raised beds and take it with you. Or buy bogmine in pete_dushenski fashion. 1613656;1487026077;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: funny you should mention raised beds, $girl finished the second yesterday. 1613657;1487026094;ben_vulpes;of course to effectively transport the dirt i'm going to need to buy a trailer 1613658;1487026096;ben_vulpes;oh no 1613659;1487026097;BingoBoingo;It's the way to do it. Concentrate the good dirt. 1613660;1487026100;ben_vulpes;more icefrastructure 1613661;1487026171;BingoBoingo;Anyways pete may know someone with a bogmine to sell 1613662;1487028880;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1613663;1487028880;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1613664;1487028988;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes rando eyeballs webshit trying to pr on top of the newsfeed. been going on since forever, not specifically more related ot the topic than the coca cola xmas edition 1613665;1487029043;gabriel_laddel_p;are there any links in the logs that need special treatment for archival? Current list: download youtube videos & pdfs. 1613666;1487029101;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: there are not so many youtube clips worth saving, and probably best handled on case by case basis, manually 1613667;1487029103;mircea_popescu;turning pdfs into proper (small, well formatted) html would be useful, cut adobe out of the document loop. videos meh. 1613668;1487029107;mircea_popescu;i never watch them. 1613669;1487029140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is demonstrably impossible in the general case (unless you count html turd with img tags and pages as bitmaps as 'well-formatted') 1613670;1487029167;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. pdf gets displayed somehow. html is a notation for display. convert. 1613671;1487029188;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html << example. 1613672;1487029389;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so are we building the republican farms in costa rica ? 1613673;1487029421;gabriel_laddel_p;example of present html archive output: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KAY1JoVE1ybmx4UGc/view?usp=sharing 1613674;1487029463;asciilifeform;why is there js in there ? 1613675;1487029557;gabriel_laddel_p;is this an issue? 1613676;1487029655;asciilifeform;what do you think, gabriel_laddel_p ? i mentioned it because i needed to break in a new keyboard, or wut 1613677;1487029661;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg it's an issue 1613678;1487029757;gabriel_laddel_p;what I think: if someone has js turned on in their browser, it's because they want js. If turned off, they don't want it. I, at least, want an-accurate-as-possible archive of whatever shows up in the logs, including arbitrary files, videos etc. 1613679;1487029816;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: the current favourite, archive.is, is able to display the ~text~ of pretty much every linked turd (no matter how encrusted) without ~forcing~ viewer to enable js. can yours do this ? 1613680;1487030354;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'we' are mitigating against the star topology in all sorts of stupid and entertaining ways 1613681;1487030459;mircea_popescu;kek 1613682;1487030542;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/pennsylvania-prosecutor-declines-to-charge-suspects-in-home-invasion-shooting/ << Qntra - Pennsylvania Prosecutor Declines To Charge Suspects In Home Invasion Shooting 1613683;1487030692;ben_vulpes;better dirt under your fingernails and a cupboard full of tomatoes than rubber food and children with no immune system 1613684;1487030727;ben_vulpes;"why have healthcare costs quintupled over the past three decades?" "did you roll your children in dirt today?" "no?" "well there you have it" 1613685;1487030809;mircea_popescu;you know, tomatoes don't keep. 1613686;1487030841;mircea_popescu;also there's 1613687;1487030849;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1.15 ^ 30 1613688;1487030850;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1.15 ^ 30 = 66.21177195678574 1613689;1487030858;mircea_popescu;66tupling. 1613690;1487030877;ben_vulpes;better throw out the family canning tools i guess 1613691;1487030891;mircea_popescu;(in fairness though, inflation didn't go over 10 before the monkey went into office) 1613692;1487030910;ben_vulpes;someone call the old witches and tell them the things they did all day were pointless 1613693;1487030914;mircea_popescu;ah, canned tomatoes. yeah. is the sun strong enough there to dry them well btw ? 1613694;1487030933;ben_vulpes;highly dependent on when the crop comes in 1613695;1487030944;mircea_popescu;now that's a way to make money as a etsy head, plant an acre of tomatoes, sell five or so tons of primo sundried tomato. 10k a ton or such. 1613696;1487030959;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes tomato crop comes in from late july onwards into winter. 1613697;1487030976;ben_vulpes;depends on when mine come in relative to how strong the sun is at that time of year. 1613698;1487030983;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can you picture 'etsy head' harvesting an acre of something?? 1613699;1487030989;mircea_popescu;ah. even worth making a mirror thing for this. 1613700;1487031002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, actually. i saw some harvest an acre of dicks, on their hands and knees. 1613701;1487031018;ben_vulpes;please not project mirror again 1613702;1487031033;ben_vulpes;oh god the microcontrollers 1613703;1487031049;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes only mentioned it in the sense of "worth it moreso than for stupid solar power bs". 1613704;1487031067;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6591 1613705;1487031080;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1613706;1487031080;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1613707;1487031107;gabriel_laddel_p;Example text archive of http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/considerations-on-cost-disease/ -- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/considerations-on-cost-disease.txt 1613708;1487031151;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: i don't hate this! 1613709;1487031167;ben_vulpes;sure beats reading the source on over-modal'ed websharts 1613710;1487031193;gabriel_laddel_p;ben_vulpes: good to hear. If you or anyone else has something they want the archiver to do, speak now. 1613711;1487031200;asciilifeform;lulzy link btw 1613712;1487031209;asciilifeform;'I worry that people don’t appreciate how weird this is. I didn’t appreciate it for a long time. I guess I just figured that Grandpa used to talk about how back in his day movie tickets only cost a nickel; that was just the way of the world. But all of the numbers above are inflation-adjusted. These things have dectupled in cost even after you adjust for movies costing a nickel in Grandpa’s day. They have really, genuinely dect 1613713;1487031209;asciilifeform;upled in cost, no economic trickery involved.' 1613714;1487031209;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: don't set it in stone, things move very slowly in the republic. 1613715;1487031244;gabriel_laddel_p;one prior (many months ago) suggestion I liked: archive from that page to a depth of 2. 1613716;1487031261;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p if it could detect and wipe the idiotic wrap(80) thing that'd be great. 1613717;1487031359;ben_vulpes;in other things i don't hate, this yamhill valley rose of pinots is not foul! 1613718;1487031364;mircea_popescu;but yes, it's actually a step in the right direction. 1613719;1487031426;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: the #1 thing i'd like from future archiver is duplicability 1613720;1487031436;danielpbarron;gabriel_laddel_p, do atruechurch.info 1613721;1487031444;asciilifeform;(i.e. that i can mirror the ~existing material~ and ~archiver itself~ immediately) 1613722;1487031463;asciilifeform;it is the thing most glaringly missing from archive.is 1613723;1487031500;asciilifeform;and i don't mean 'can mirror if i crawl the logs' but IN ONE SHOT 1613724;1487031521;gabriel_laddel_p;Sadly you will only be able to do this if you are running Masamune, as it is 100% dependent on its internals. 1613725;1487031532;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/resistance-leaders-wife-and-stepson-charged-after-body-found/ << Qntra - Resistance Leader's Wife And Stepson Charged After Body Found 1613726;1487031547;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: what part of the thing is something other than standard cl ? 1613727;1487031550;asciilifeform;and why ? 1613728;1487031579;mircea_popescu;and for the record, every film with michael douglas in it is a piece of shit ; but perhaps none as much as "the game". holy fucking shit, the premise is a dour dude who "has it all", including a disdainful relationship with his ex wife and two hotties vying for his attention at work nevertheless a) lives in a totally empty house. because how fucking hard & unthinkable it would be to get all the ex secretaries to live there hu 1613729;1487031579;mircea_popescu;rr ; b) goes to some derpy obscure "firm" and spends A WHOLE DAY of his apparently priceless-worthess time doing the equivalent of posting naked selfies all day on twitter. 1613730;1487031595;mircea_popescu;more contortedly idiotic nonsense "this is how rich dudes r, for srs guise" could scarcely be devised. 1613731;1487031617;mircea_popescu;dude fills in forms. i'm like "hey, when's the last time you saw me fill in a form ?". hilarity ensues. 1613732;1487031623;mircea_popescu;most of the girls never did, in their whole life. 1613733;1487031680;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you would like the whole archive.is enchilada ? all the crap ~anyone~ ever saved there ? i imagine it's petabytes by now 1613734;1487031699;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: maybe i would, or maybe not, but the ~option~ gotta be there. 1613735;1487031710;asciilifeform;or the thing is a glue trap. 1613736;1487031720;gabriel_laddel_p;danielpbarron: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/atruechurch.info.txt 1613737;1487031768;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1613738;1487031775;mircea_popescu;shou;ld prolly download each link's zip i guess. 1613739;1487031781;danielpbarron;gabriel_laddel_p, does it not do the whole site? 1613740;1487031820;gabriel_laddel_p;danielpbarron: graphical version: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KAdWVrd3o0MmZfUnM/view?usp=sharing 1613741;1487031828;gabriel_laddel_p;danielpbarron: not yet. 1613742;1487031871;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: very little of this is CL. The save-page-complete and save-page-as-text comes as part of the conkeror browser, and I just drive it with CL. 1613743;1487031932;ben_vulpes;and to think, $girl wanted to move to .lt 1613744;1487031968;BingoBoingo;lol 1613745;1487032142;mircea_popescu;why did she ? 1613746;1487032231;ben_vulpes;mostly project explore-family-tree-and-meet-long-lost-branches 1613747;1487032251;mircea_popescu;if you're gonna move, go to ukraine. cheap and fertile. 1613748;1487032284;ben_vulpes;then i think slovenia was the next "what if" 1613749;1487032304;asciilifeform;lol kakolandia 1613750;1487032305;mircea_popescu;meh. buy it while it's cheap. 1613751;1487032313;mircea_popescu;slovenia was a move when she was 15. 1613752;1487032330;mircea_popescu;!up `_^gk`_^1wm`_^ 1613753;1487032334;mircea_popescu;!!up `_^gk`_^1wm`_^ 1613754;1487032334;deedbot;`_^gk`_^1wm`_^ voiced for 30 minutes. 1613755;1487032336;mircea_popescu;nice name. 1613756;1487032425;ben_vulpes;i'd not mind teh ukr, provided i could figure out where the shoosting is happening where it's likely to spread to etc etc 1613757;1487032479;mircea_popescu;think for a second : ukraine is as large as texas. if someone were firing 1mn rounds each and every single day, that's still about one round each million square meters. 1613758;1487032505;mircea_popescu;contrary to press reports, "dangerous" places are never practically dangerous. 1613759;1487032619;ben_vulpes;you don't have to convince me 1613760;1487032664;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the ~only place in the world with land worth buying that you can afford to buy today is ukraina. 1613761;1487032687;mircea_popescu;now, whether they kick you out once it settles down is indeed a toss-up, but eventually at some point you're going to have to take a chance. 1613762;1487032687;asciilifeform;the mega-q is whether 'buying' does anything there 1613763;1487032692;mircea_popescu;right. 1613764;1487032695;asciilifeform;as per the thai pub thread 1613765;1487032706;mircea_popescu;except, he goes there to live. with woman. and small child. that MAY do something. 1613766;1487032786;ben_vulpes;appeals, but "or you could just move in upstairs" also appeals 1613767;1487032802;mircea_popescu;what, canada ? 1613768;1487032859;ben_vulpes;ancestral home 1613769;1487032862;ben_vulpes;you know what rankles? 1613770;1487032870;ben_vulpes;the room in which i grew up is larger than the house i rent today. 1613771;1487032880;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1613772;1487032888;mircea_popescu;anyway, i could never see the business case for canada. 1613773;1487032905;ben_vulpes;"surely come global warming all that land will be so farmable!" 1613774;1487032916;ben_vulpes;now that'd take a dyke system 1613775;1487032925;ben_vulpes;and that's coming from a guy who grew up in portland 1613776;1487032942;mircea_popescu;honestly i'd rather buy in africa. anyway. 1613777;1487032973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which africa 1613778;1487032986;mircea_popescu;places inhabited by a thin sliver of idiots are essentially brackish water. canada, argentina, the us to a large extent. they're neither fucking nor will get off the pig. 1613779;1487032998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform congo, subsaharan generally. 1613780;1487033005;mircea_popescu;shoot them like guinea pigs. 1613781;1487033015;mircea_popescu;kalash enforced land title. 1613782;1487033019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: been there yet ? 1613783;1487033032;mircea_popescu;briefly. 1613784;1487033060;asciilifeform;so somebody cancelled the tsetse fly, and other pleasures of 'climate not made for white man' ? 1613785;1487033074;asciilifeform;or mircea_popescu simply goes in for the taste 1613786;1487033105;mircea_popescu;eh. do you understand i produce about ONE QUARTER TON of water a week through diligent application of electric power in this god forsaken shithole ? 1613787;1487033124;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "climate made for white man". the thing with white man, unlike all other man, is that white man makes climate not the other way around. 1613788;1487033124;asciilifeform;living in the swamp -- i can easily picture this 1613789;1487033150;asciilifeform;maybe just me, but i like climates where i dun have to stay in the shielded dome, and can go out without a suit 1613790;1487033165;mircea_popescu;if you're going there to shoot people, you will be in a dome anyway. 1613791;1487033312;ben_vulpes;in other news, the wsj is approximately the only place not using a javascript paywall 1613792;1487033628;BingoBoingo; anyway, i could never see the business case for canada. << Their crop (softwood lumber) is already grown!!! 1613793;1487033639;mircea_popescu;meh. 1613794;1487033659;mircea_popescu;if i wanted to be a girly just like my dear papa i might be more interested. 1613795;1487033662;BingoBoingo;Could take to Chicago, use as fuel for Hussein Bahamas Memorial Bio-Char plant! 1613796;1487033905;ben_vulpes;euphemism, BingoBoingo 1613797;1487040749;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: by the way which was the article in which you related telling your father that if you ever saw him again you'd kill him? 1613798;1487040849;trinque;ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/ 1613799;1487040892;ben_vulpes;wao, trinque thanks 1613800;1487041084;trinque;yw 1613801;1487047736;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-national-security-advisor-michael-flynn-blackmailed-into-resignation-by-us-deep-state/ << Qntra - US National Security Advisor Michael Flynn Blackmailed Into Resignation By US "Deep State" 1613802;1487047786;BingoBoingo;^ lizards score 1, only took them since December 1613803;1487048067;mircea_popescu;ahaha what! 1613804;1487048087;mircea_popescu;the soup's getting ready to boil! 1613805;1487048196;BingoBoingo;Flynn talked the the Russian ambassador in December as part of preparing for office. Unnamed bureaucrat has been slowly leaking details to press from wiretap. Flynn sinned by lying to Pence. Lying to Pence is a Cardinal sin. 1613806;1487048210;mircea_popescu;well yeah, why'd he do that. 1613807;1487048221;mircea_popescu;grab 'em by the pussy! 1613808;1487048687;BingoBoingo;Hence kinda win for Trump getting Flynn out. Lack of grabbing determination. 1613809;1487048698;BingoBoingo;Forearm strength is not enough! 1613810;1487048779;mircea_popescu;myeah 1613811;1487048792;BingoBoingo;Military man can do pushups, but does he have it in his heart to grab the pussy and pull himself up? 1613812;1487049087;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/being-a-sucker/ << Trilema - Being a sucker 1613813;1487058025;phf;asciilifeform: another one of little languages for your consideration https://github.com/zserge/partcl 1613814;1487080379;asciilifeform;phf: pretty lulzy, advertises 'Runs well on bare metal embedded MCUs (~10k of flash is required)' but... uses a heap 1613815;1487081278;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613801 << one more for the 'if he used crypto, he might still be on his throne' list 1613816;1487081278;a111;Logged on 2017-02-14 04:48 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-national-security-advisor-michael-flynn-blackmailed-into-resignation-by-us-deep-state/ << Qntra - US National Security Advisor Michael Flynn Blackmailed Into Resignation By US "Deep State" 1613817;1487083825;shinohai;!~later tell mod6 please republish the pherkin tests for me plox thx 1613818;1487083826;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1613819;1487085154;mircea_popescu;not really asciilifeform ; the russians made no secret of it. 1613820;1487086402;mircea_popescu;it's not like he was some sort of person, with whom you'd want to meet ~for him~. nobody wants to meet with michael flynn for michael flynn, and this includes his own offspring, let alone people who are actually somebody. 1613821;1487086432;mircea_popescu;the only reason they'd meet with him was if it would count ; much like the only reason you take kim's ass out is if you can then put it on your twinstagram 1613822;1487086473;mircea_popescu;for it to count it can't be denied, which comes down to, because michael flynn contains nothing, encryption doesn't help him in any way. 1613823;1487086512;mircea_popescu;which speaks directly to the greater point : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611824 1613824;1487086512;a111;Logged on 2017-02-06 17:27 mircea_popescu: Reuel the notion that "the world" somehow "exists" and it is incumbent for reality to "convince it" thus getting that supposed world which somehow exists to empower actual reality is rank nonsense. 1613825;1487086538;mircea_popescu;"i can't see how crypto relates to me" is exactly how phantoms say "i think i mgiht be a phantom masquerading as a person". they're usually right, too. 1613826;1487090801;mircea_popescu;and in other "stop this motherfucking spaceship i want to get off", try and find a youtube tannenbaum that's not fucking lyrical to saccharine proportions. 1613827;1487090817;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck is wrong with these dorks, from bocelli onwards. IT IS NOT A LYRICAL PIECE!!! 1613828;1487090832;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking military march for chrissakes. has the last arranger left in this world died, forgotten and alone ? 1613829;1487091677;lobbes;mircea_popescu, regarding lobbesbot billing for auctions: I'm assuming it should be spitting out a signed bill. Problem being that lobbesbot currently sits on VPS, and I don't want my personal signing key to reside on that box. Would it be a bad idea to sign these bills with lobbesbot's key instead? 1613830;1487091894;lobbes;Other option I guess being I just keep running tabs and bill once a month or somesuch from my local box, signing from there 1613831;1487092073;danielpbarron;does it need to sign things? 1613832;1487092554;lobbes;No real *need*, I guess. But if we are going to be deeding these things then I figured I ought to start thinking about what that'd entail from my end 1613833;1487092744;trinque;I don't see that they need to. Rather, deedbot ought to output regular deeds of the transactions it has processed in a given period (week/month) 1613834;1487092807;trinque;lobbes: there will be a human operator running the auction, right? 1613835;1487092808;mircea_popescu;lobbes it having own key seems logical to me 1613836;1487092819;mircea_popescu;trinque notrly. 1613837;1487092822;trinque;a ok 1613838;1487092840;mircea_popescu;thatr's kind of the gain, since the bot is active minimum auction went from ~1mn ecu (bout 10 bux) to 5% that. 1613839;1487093166;danielpbarron;i was thinking a signed thing per auction for the bidder/auctioneer to do something with 1613840;1487093200;danielpbarron;thinking as in, i thought that's what you were talking about; not that i think it's needed 1613841;1487093240;trinque;mircea_popescu: so if the whole thing gets signed, something like this? >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZG1n8/?raw=true 1613842;1487093260;trinque;where signer is the intended recipient of funds 1613843;1487093289;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron nah the idea is more http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-02-08.log.html#t17:05:28 1613844;1487093325;danielpbarron;what is the purpose of a signature? generally i mean. because as I understand it, if the goal isn't to make the text public, it is possible to achieve whatever you want through 2 decryptions in the place of 1 signature 1613845;1487093345;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it's an invoice. the idea is you pay to run an auction. 1613846;1487093404;mircea_popescu;yeah trinque something like that. we'd have to nail down a permanent invoice format 1613847;1487093434;danielpbarron;is the invoice meant to be held against someone in public in the case they don't pay? and that's why it is signed? 1613848;1487093444;mircea_popescu;and yes, singer = intended recipient ; this way lobbes can make lobbesbot a deedbot account and get paid. 1613849;1487093460;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron the only reason it's signed (by the bot) is so that deedbot can distinguish it from a spoof. 1613850;1487093475;mircea_popescu;it's a 3 party system, see, biller, billee and banker. 1613851;1487093490;trinque;I will also be piling up the signed material for my records 1613852;1487093679;mircea_popescu;the problem with having unsigned invoices is that one morning you wake up and there's 2 ^ 64 invoices waiting for you. 1613853;1487093796;danielpbarron;how does deedbot deal with having 2 ^ 64 up requests? 1613854;1487093876;mircea_popescu;suppose you have 3 you absolutely must pay among there. i hope youbrought a big http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy/ 1613855;1487093896;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron > dev/null/ except if there's something in there you want. then you're sol. 1613856;1487093909;trinque;lol 1613857;1487093915;trinque;"WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT!" 1613858;1487093978;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron make sense ? 1613859;1487094020;danielpbarron;so signatures could be said to put the burden on the one making the request, as an anti-spam measure 1613860;1487094064;trinque;also, the OTP dance doesn't by itself confirm that A received B's invoice as it was intended. 1613861;1487094096;trinque;it was why I asked about human operator 1613862;1487094096;mircea_popescu;essentially. it allows to filter the flood at the gate. if invoices are not signed then deedbot has to talk to person any time an electric interaction happens ; if they are signed person can have whitelists, deedbot need only talk to person when meaningful occurs. 1613863;1487094105;danielpbarron;signature doesn't confirm that either 1613864;1487094151;mircea_popescu;the whole point of republican activity being to leverage computing power to protect wetware circuitry as much as feasible and no more. 1613865;1487094220;trinque;danielpbarron: specifically in transit; I can't control what goes on in your castle, nor you in mine. 1613866;1487094273;danielpbarron;the otp is functionally the same as a signature for the purpose of keeping text unmollested, and also the same in that neither can ensure a message is ever actually received 1613867;1487094285;trinque;elaborate on that "is" 1613868;1487094325;trinque;I get unsigned text, I give you an encrypted OTP; how then are you to know that OTP corresponds on my end to an unmodified copy of your invoice? 1613869;1487094326;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ie, you'd rather lobbesbot says something to deedbot, then !!v's ? 1613870;1487094350;trinque;I had already considered this, and one avenue there was to put the invoice data back into the encrypted challenge 1613871;1487094361;trinque;that adds a step on lobbesbot's side that's unnecessary 1613872;1487094369;danielpbarron;i'm trying to understand when a signature is prefered over a handshake of encrypted unsigned texts 1613873;1487094374;trinque;sure, explaining. 1613874;1487094378;mircea_popescu;speaking of which trinque : it's somewhat dubious you send plain otps. you should send request.string+otp. 1613875;1487094467;danielpbarron;trinque, yeah the reply contains the first message plus the responce. 3rd message (if needed) contains text of 2nd message, and so on.. 1613876;1487094467;trinque;aha, I will change that. 1613877;1487094521;trinque;we're pretty close to me bringing in an updated version of the bot 1613878;1487094524;danielpbarron;that is, 3rd message only needs to contain the reply part of the 2nd message. it's not necessary to keep the entire conversation 1613879;1487094527;mircea_popescu;i don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the otp approach as opposed to the signature approach tbh. 1613880;1487094527;trinque;testing currently in #trilema-trinque 1613881;1487094576;trinque;mircea_popescu: just means that lobbesbot must have state which keeps track of requests sent, then matches them to incoming OTP, then sends OTP if == 1613882;1487094611;mircea_popescu;yes, it's no longer fire-and-forget to bill. 1613883;1487094628;mircea_popescu;contrairiwise, there's not a lbockchain, ie, ever-growing pile of signed data 1613884;1487094710;mircea_popescu;trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ? 1613885;1487094721;mircea_popescu;if yes the system's unbound, if no then why the fuck even bother, just do otp from get-go. 1613886;1487094839;trinque;hm, yeah. there's a good argument against building a shitty blockchain here. 1613887;1487095478;mircea_popescu;blockchain technology chiefly consists of knowing when NOT to implement one. 1613888;1487099038;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: yellen still planning to raise rates 1613889;1487099043;ben_vulpes;OFC 1613890;1487099056;mircea_popescu;is this good for magacoin ? 1613891;1487099073;ben_vulpes;i think i found some great again in my butthairs last night 1613892;1487099124;mircea_popescu;dingleagain 1613893;1487099133;ben_vulpes;make my butthole great again, baby 1613894;1487099155;mircea_popescu;i... i didn't know you swung that way 1613895;1487099200;ben_vulpes;hey, wiping one's own ass is for poorfags 1613896;1487099308;mircea_popescu;yes but making it great is for proper fags eh. 1613897;1487099412;ben_vulpes;wouldn't really know! just crackin wize 1613898;1487099513;mircea_popescu;did your irc just write checks your mabha can't squash ? 1613899;1487099738;ben_vulpes;in other morning reading: http://68.media.tumblr.com/52d3875c897c25f530683047c2a4d076/tumblr_oate2xx1BW1si95b9o1_500.jpg 1613900;1487099828;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've been digging for the thread where we discussed CFB ('cipher block chaining'), the infamous penguin, etc. but could not find 1613901;1487099857;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590007 ? 1613902;1487099857;a111;Logged on 2016-12-24 01:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all schemes where the transform is of 'payload itself' and 0 entropy, suffer from immediate 'penguin problem', https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/Tux_ecb.jpg . 1613903;1487099889;asciilifeform;i found that one. but i thought there was also another where i suggested a sideways cut of the knot 1613904;1487099899;mircea_popescu;hm 1613905;1487099904;mircea_popescu;i vaguely remember this 1613906;1487099966;asciilifeform;specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r 1613907;1487100005;asciilifeform;you encipher the x1,x2,.....x_n with one key, and the y1,y2...y_n with another. 1613908;1487100005;mircea_popescu;what happens if i find x y and xor em ? 1613909;1487100041;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you do this every time, after you decrypt the x- and y- blocks. 1613910;1487100047;asciilifeform;to get the original payload. 1613911;1487100063;asciilifeform;what we've done here is to destroy the structure of the penguin 1613912;1487100082;asciilifeform;without chaining the blockcipher's blocks 1613913;1487100082;mircea_popescu;ie better padding ? 1613914;1487100101;asciilifeform;not only. 1613915;1487100124;asciilifeform;each block ciphrator is now eating what is individually a trng stream. 1613916;1487100149;mircea_popescu;that;s definitionally "better padding" neh? 1613917;1487100170;asciilifeform;right, but this is not normally where 'padding' is used. but yes. 1613918;1487100176;mircea_popescu;right. 1613919;1487100363;asciilifeform;so the win is, since you dispense with feedback, you can parallelize encipher and decipher, blockwise. 1613920;1487100380;mircea_popescu;provided your rng is good. 1613921;1487100384;asciilifeform;at least one of the losses, however, is that you now need a serious rng on the transmitter. 1613922;1487100384;asciilifeform;aha 1613923;1487100390;mircea_popescu;actually : the quality of the rng is the limit on the parallelization. 1613924;1487100393;asciilifeform;and you are also limited now to its bit rate. 1613925;1487100469;asciilifeform;there is no limit to the parallelization (it is exactly (bytes in paylod)/(the block size of the cipher) threads ) but you cannot generate a new ciphertext any faster than your rng will give it to you. 1613926;1487100491;asciilifeform;the good news is that you can stack up as many rng as you like... 1613927;1487101460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes, exactly. 1613928;1487102845;Reuel;I found your garlic, you vampires! https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=75&v=1_W-7hd4T2I 1613929;1487102884;Reuel;Anyway, loved the plumber stories! 1613930;1487103242;Reuel;Riled me up 1613931;1487104005;mircea_popescu;wassat ? 1613932;1487104684;Reuel;the link? it is the beauty of diversity and the power of friendship 1613933;1487104697;Reuel;hte main ingredients of bitcoin 1613934;1487104752;Reuel;but really I just wanted to say I liked the http://trilema.com/2017/the-plumbin-plumber/ and sequel 1613935;1487104767;Reuel;just couldnt resist posting that video I ran into 1613936;1487105407;mircea_popescu;cool. 1613937;1487107271;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1613938;1487107279;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1010.01, vol: 6465.29193217 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 994.997, vol: 6574.49599 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1010.5, vol: 11859.53838786 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 982.797088, vol: 6661.63570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1012.999, vol: 1909.52092443 | Volume-weighted last average: 1001.98900183 1613939;1487107290;BingoBoingo;That stabilitit 1613940;1487108708;mircea_popescu;nice. 1613941;1487109673;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/14/status-isnt-a-zero-sum-attention-game/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Status isn’t a zero-sum attention game. 1613942;1487109695;mircea_popescu;hey, nice header. 1613943;1487111769;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'US President Donald Trump has been tough on Russia and expects Moscow to “return” the Crimea peninsula to Ukraine, the White House spokesman told reporters.' 1613944;1487111793;asciilifeform;'"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at the daily news briefing on Tuesday. “At the same time, he fully expects to – and wants to – get along with Russia."' 1613945;1487112140;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: cheers. photo was taken on first trip to europe. house exchange in denmark/germany in the days before airbnb. 1613946;1487112242;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i profit little from things that other people say they plan to do. you also can't dress today for tomorrow's weather. 1613947;1487112438;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: just trying to cheer you up, buddy! 1613948;1487112510;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: haha you're very sweet 1613949;1487112552;mircea_popescu;o hey, this should be interesting. 1613950;1487112741;mircea_popescu;o hey! 1613951;1487112741;ben_vulpes;!!up mike_c 1613952;1487112742;deedbot;mike_c voiced for 30 minutes. 1613953;1487112752;ben_vulpes;you there, boss? 1613954;1487112783;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: his ghost ship has been orbiting for ages 1613955;1487112792;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: hope springs eternal 1613956;1487112821;ben_vulpes;a man may be forgiven the odd transmission to otherwise apparently derelict friends' vessels 1613957;1487112930;ben_vulpes;if only join/parts weren't so frequently so spammy; it'd be nicely contextual for eg the previous conversation in logs 1613958;1487116263;asciilifeform;in other lulz, supposedly fuhrer of northkr finally had his half-brother poisoned: 1613959;1487116286;asciilifeform;'Malaysian police official Fadzil Ahmat told The Star that Mr Kim had alerted a receptionist, saying "someone had grabbed him from behind and splashed a liquid on his face". But quoted by Malaysian news agency Bernama, the same official said a woman had come at him from behind and "covered his face with a cloth laced with a liquid". Earlier reports spoke of a "spray" being used or a needle. His eyes "suffered burns as a result of the 1613960;1487116286;asciilifeform; liquid", Fadzil Ahmat told Bernama, and he died on the way to hospital in nearby Putrajaya.' 1613961;1487116388;asciilifeform;^ this rumour is interesting to asciilifeform because he is unaware of any poison that fits this description that would not equally endanger the wielder 1613962;1487116415;BingoBoingo;Maybe endangering weilder is part of the point? 1613963;1487116432;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1 corpse 1613964;1487116445;BingoBoingo;Weilder willing to die for kimchi fuhrer 1613965;1487116468;BingoBoingo;1 corpse people makes new, other dies later? 1613966;1487116502;asciilifeform;fwiw i am unaware of a poison where (supposing it was strictly wet-rag delivery) you get this. 1613967;1487116506;asciilifeform;perhaps mircea_popescu can think of one. 1613968;1487116529;BingoBoingo;HF 1613969;1487116552;BingoBoingo;Or anything else mixed with enough DMSO 1613970;1487116565;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if dmso, there'd be a dead medic or two 1613971;1487116568;asciilifeform;and afaik there was not 1613972;1487116601;BingoBoingo;Only if medic got solution on skin. DMSO itself is not mega poison, just mega transporter through skin 1613973;1487116616;asciilifeform;we had dmso thread, sure 1613974;1487116667;asciilifeform;( >> http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-13#378362 ) 1613975;1487116667;a111;Logged on 2013-11-13 14:20 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO 1613976;1487116761;asciilifeform;the 'burns' part suggests hf. 1613977;1487116928;BingoBoingo;The early "spray" and "needle" reports way also be true. Perhaps assassins did multiple poisons and administration routes. 1613978;1487117012;asciilifeform;seems like a bother. 1613979;1487117038;asciilifeform;(unless you're fulfilling contract on, e.g., rasputin) 1613980;1487117146;BingoBoingo;If your are loyal Best Korean, how is the Fallen Scion of dear leader different from Mr. Morningstar who taunted Elliot in the hell that was Isla Vista. 1613981;1487117205;BingoBoingo;HF to face for burns and calcium channel disruption and distraction to sneak other calcium channel disruptor into butt. 1613982;1487117256;BingoBoingo;Slow HF face burns force closed vs open casket dilemma as passage of time biases towards closed casket 1613983;1487117744;mircea_popescu;eh, dude prolly grabbed some pussy, got wine to face. 1613984;1487117807;BingoBoingo;Make Korea Great Again!!! 1613985;1487119769;BingoBoingo;http://augustacrime.com/lakeside-high-students-arrested-for-oral-sex-at-school/?PageSpeed=noscript 1613986;1487119878;ben_vulpes;good for them 1613987;1487119895;ben_vulpes;if only there were an ounce of "prove it" left in america. 1613988;1487119959;ben_vulpes;hang 'em on hearsay i guess 1613989;1487120066;trinque;probably had nonzero amount to do with him being black 1613990;1487120089;trinque;the parent probably looks at too many of those SUPERIOR AFRICAN SEED pictures 1613991;1487120196;ben_vulpes;baww, oroville damn evacuation lifted 1613992;1487120217;ben_vulpes;dam* 1613993;1487120298;BingoBoingo;Seems a bit early... 1613994;1487120305;ben_vulpes;right? 1613995;1487120317;ben_vulpes;so "baww" but perhaps the lols compound 1613996;1487120321;trinque;http://augustacrime.com/augusta-woman-attacks-boyfriend-for-refusing-sex/ << wahahaha meth 1613997;1487120325;ben_vulpes;and by lols i mean deaths-by-bureaucrat 1613998;1487120330;trinque;this site's pretty good 1613999;1487120366;mircea_popescu;i like the "pagespeed" setting 1614000;1487120368;BingoBoingo;!~google "kankakee torrent" 1614001;1487120369;mircea_popescu;at least they're honest. 1614002;1487120369;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Kankakee Torrent - Wikipedia: ; KANKAKEE TORRENT - Emporia State University: ; Kankakee Torrent and other Sheet Flooding - Cintos.org: 1614003;1487120376;mircea_popescu;"would you like this slow as shit or slow as snails ?" 1614004;1487120420;ben_vulpes;> threatened to run over one of the deputies with a baby stroller 1614005;1487120436;ben_vulpes;well now i gotta see this f350 of baby strollers 1614006;1487120450;ben_vulpes;i don't have enough compenstors on the ground yet apparently if there's a baby stroller type to be had 1614007;1487120700;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/ZaRXv 1614008;1487120955;mircea_popescu;ahahaha in the best lulz odf all time, chelsea clinton has political ambitions. 1614009;1487121016;mircea_popescu;(we know this because the ~only portion of the donkey party still standing, ie the socialists that tried to push sanders failfully, are VERY butthurt at the notion.) 1614010;1487121178;mircea_popescu;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/13/mainstream-media-whines-trump-calls-less-establish/ << in other lulz 1614011;1487129198;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes your client is leaking ip 1614012;1487129198;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1614013;1487162740;mircea_popescu;and in other peopleneeds.lulz, http://archive.is/0mu0N#selection-5131.13-5131.37 1614014;1487171986;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/LVvRD << in other lulz. 1614015;1487172131;phf;i'd say this could be a new look, but she already looks like a williamsburg hipster from 8 years ago 1614016;1487173781;mircea_popescu;that woman killed someone ? 1614017;1487174220;asciilifeform;supposedly 1614018;1487174229;asciilifeform;and with 133337 poison 1614019;1487174271;mircea_popescu;i dunno how leet it is, if it alerts the victim 1614020;1487174340;asciilifeform;well noshit in our native 15th century poison was to avoid 'alert the victim.' but today apparently it is for putting on show. e.g., polonium. 1614021;1487174379;mircea_popescu;eh, everything with these faggots is about putting on a show. 1614022;1487174681;asciilifeform;speaking of which, the show goes on, https://archive.is/bmtZj >> 'Russian intelligence officials made repeated contact' etc. 1614023;1487174918;mircea_popescu;myeah. things are pretty simple : either peace with russia and therefore war with china ; or else bickering with russia while china continues to fatten unmolested. 1614024;1487174930;mircea_popescu;the women's state very much wants the latter. 1614025;1487175013;asciilifeform;'Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia?' -- mr.t, twatter, today. 1614026;1487175021;mircea_popescu;lel 1614027;1487175049;mircea_popescu;watch nobody on the left engage the point. 1614028;1487175049;mod6;mornin' 1614029;1487175066;asciilifeform;hey mod6 1614030;1487175071;mircea_popescu;"he's black, of course he's retarded, you're supposed to not say anything about it" being the dem ideology. 1614031;1487175555;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/3Iyj0 << in other dubious wtf's 1614032;1487175575;asciilifeform;'I spent a cold night huddled in a grimy kitchen, befogged with eye-watering quantities of cigarette smoke, while young PKK militants lectured me on the crisis of late capitalism and the American media's sexual exploitation of women.' 1614033;1487175590;mircea_popescu;again with this ? 1614034;1487175624;mircea_popescu;women aren't sexually exploited. this is THE problem of the west. wtf is wrong with the coolies. 1614035;1487175718;asciilifeform;'Franceschi was vague about his background, but wore a Mao pin, owned a fortune in Bitcoin and spoke seven languages, including Arabic and Kurmanji. With no military experience, he was sent to the front line, where Kurdish defenders were outnumbered perhaps five to one...' 1614036;1487175720;asciilifeform;quite a yarn. 1614037;1487175743;mircea_popescu;lol. i ran into a few "owned a fortune in bitcoin" dorks here, also. 1614038;1487175764;mircea_popescu;apparently it's a very convenient narrative for the adolescent underclass. the mystery and intrigue of being mp seduces them. 1614039;1487175830;mircea_popescu;anyway. judging by the orwellian reaction of the bedwetters, iraq has every chance of turning into a sort of 1920s spain. 1614040;1487175847;mircea_popescu;must-have cv item. 1614041;1487175929;mircea_popescu;!!up payphone 1614042;1487175929;deedbot;payphone voiced for 30 minutes. 1614043;1487176179;asciilifeform;'Politically, though, rehab further radicalized him. "All I did was read books on far-left theory," he said. "I started to understand intellectually what I already understood emotionally."' << lelz 1614044;1487176219;mircea_popescu;you know this is traditionally the female maturation process ? "with menopause i did some reading, finally understood my place as i had already spent my life in" 1614045;1487176233;mircea_popescu;i had no idea it worked for men also. 1614046;1487176297;shinohai; /set logger.level.irc 3 1614047;1487176335;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'it works better if you plug it in' 1614048;1487176342;mircea_popescu;lel 1614049;1487176348;shinohai;xD 1614050;1487178147;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/yulSG << ohnoez, PSEUDOSCIENCE!1111 1614051;1487178252;mircea_popescu;didja see the "mental health care professionals warn" bit ? 1614052;1487178254;mircea_popescu;i lulzed. 1614053;1487178313;asciilifeform;which? 1614054;1487178375;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/j93ke 1614055;1487178456;asciilifeform;lol! 1614056;1487178472;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1614057;1487178580;mircea_popescu;"the country's mental health organisation". 1614058;1487178633;mircea_popescu;it's not just "laws" in the style of "nobody read this 2k page pile of crap" ; it's not just "regulations", in the style of "whatever random czar and his bureaucracy came up with". there's a struggle to add a further red guard of the revolution! THE COUNTRY'S ORGANISATIONS! 1614059;1487178737;mircea_popescu;"Silence from the country’s mental health organizations has been due to a self-imposed dictum about evaluating public figures (the American Psychiatric Association’s 1973 Goldwater Rule). But this silence has resulted in a failure to lend our expertise to worried journalists and members of Congress at this critical time. We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer." or in plain words, "we on the left are aga 1614060;1487178738;mircea_popescu;inst rape for as long as the rapists are mostly on the right ; are against violence for as long as we're more likely to be on the receiving end ; and believe the goldwater rule should be respected at all times it prevents the ousting of a libertard!" 1614061;1487179033;asciilifeform;'attacking facts and those who convey them (journalists, scientists)' << gold 1614062;1487179051;mircea_popescu;tru fax! 1614063;1487179139;mircea_popescu;i mean, literally, that introduction is exactly on par with the misspelled "petition" linked earlier. "there is a rule agains what we're trying to do which is unfortunate (for the rule!) because we wanna do it anyway!" 1614064;1487179140;mircea_popescu;wtf ? 1614065;1487179165;mircea_popescu;basically the whole dynamic is, "child noticed adults tend to be rule-bound, is trying to get maxcake out of it" 1614066;1487179233;mircea_popescu;and obviously since hacking kids up and feeding the remains to sewer rats is taboo, there's no need to consider anything along the lines of "bitch, that rule is there so your dumb ass may be excused from immediate slaughter" 1614067;1487179241;shinohai;!~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/70L1b/?raw=true 1614068;1487179241;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1614069;1487179304;mircea_popescu;the more i think of it the more i'm satisfied this is the ur-underpinning. once women manage to get the slaughter of children taboo-ified, all the rest of the rot flows from there. 1614070;1487181386;ben_vulpes;> irc: client capability, server supports: account-notify extended-join identify-msg multi-prefix sasl 1614071;1487181389;ben_vulpes;> irc: sasl authentication timeout 1614072;1487181393;ben_vulpes;does *anything* work on freenode? 1614073;1487182386;mircea_popescu;no. 1614074;1487182541;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the nsa collector probably worx. 1614075;1487182552;asciilifeform;(when the weather is calm) 1614076;1487182570;ben_vulpes;at risk of boringly rehashing a point there is nothing to collect! 1614077;1487182579;asciilifeform;tell it to ~them~. 1614078;1487182582;ben_vulpes;my freenode password? give me a break 1614079;1487182626;asciilifeform;as pointed out in the last thread, there may theoretically exist 1 or moar idiot who think 'pm' is s33kr1t etc. 1614080;1487182651;mircea_popescu;more practically, there does exist "OUR COUNTRY'S INSTITUTIONS" etc. 1614081;1487182680;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow cia dork makes up story about you sending who knows what over pm to who knows who, we'll laugh and they'll eat it up. 1614082;1487182687;ben_vulpes;iono, aren't republicans in the habit of pasting lulzy pm logs? 1614083;1487182735;mircea_popescu;gotta ugc all that ugc somehow! 1614084;1487183128;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in spain, http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/islamic-state-drown-13-civilians-death-mosul-treason/ 1614085;1487183152;asciilifeform;oh hey! noyade ! 1614086;1487183424;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/axibase/atsd-use-cases/blob/master/OrovilleDam/README.md 1614087;1487183474;asciilifeform;'1. Install Docker. 2. Download the docker-compose.yml file to launch the ATSD Collector container bundle.' << lel 1614088;1487183540;ben_vulpes;"how do you do delivery?" "we just package a whole linux, anything less than that is annoyingly complicated and we can't hire people who know how to do it" 1614089;1487183548;ben_vulpes;anyways, linked for charts 1614090;1487183560;ben_vulpes;docker just sidebar low dough lols 1614091;1487183569;asciilifeform;'linux' 1614092;1487183703;ben_vulpes;you think the phb character knows or cares? 1614093;1487183723;mircea_popescu;well manifestly not knows, as per above. 1614094;1487183925;asciilifeform;elsewhere in monkeystan, https://archive.is/7NjO4 >> 'In the late 1990s, the median home price in Washington was just over $150,000. Around 2000, however, prices began to rise, and in just five years, the median home price rose from $159,000 to $420,000.' 1614095;1487183953;mircea_popescu;heh 1614096;1487184610;asciilifeform;in vintage lulz, http://archive.is/4BNQN >> 'Recurring universally unique identifiers (UUIDs), as reported by the smolt hardware profiler client program, had some worried about problems in the kernel RNG. As it turns out, the problem exists in the interaction between Fedora 8 LiveCD installations and smolt – essentially the UUID came from the CD – but it sparked a discussion leading to some 1614097;1487184616;asciilifeform;possible improvements.' 1614098;1487184740;mircea_popescu;such as taking out uuids permanently. 1614099;1487184806;asciilifeform;if only. 1614100;1487184893;asciilifeform;'The read-only files uuid and boot_id contain random strings like 6fd5a44b-35f4-4ad4-a9b9-6b9be13e1fe9. The former is generated afresh for each read, the latter was generated once.' << what is the theoretically legitimate use for this ? 1614101;1487184971;mircea_popescu;"if you're not a criminal you have nothing to hide" 1614102;1487184999;ben_vulpes;oh we hate uuids now today? 1614103;1487185010;mircea_popescu;i dun know we never didn't hate uuids. 1614104;1487185036;mircea_popescu;we ever* 1614105;1487185166;asciilifeform;in related lulz/disinfo, http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/ 1614106;1487185189;ben_vulpes;'twas never explicit, but care to explain why? 1614107;1487185362;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "universal" anything breaks specificity of diddling. 1614108;1487185411;mircea_popescu;there shall be no man-made universals. it's a heathen practice, and it is also inhuman. this means : no "global state" ; no "global id", not for women, not for their children, cows, computers, whatever other livestock. 1614109;1487185415;mircea_popescu;and so on and so forth. 1614110;1487185437;mircea_popescu;no "global money", which is what the idiocy of "scaling bitcoin for africa" is all about. 1614111;1487185518;mircea_popescu;no "global alphabet" which is why utf may not exist. pretty much everything relates to this refusal of the golden calf. 1614112;1487185584;BingoBoingo; 'Politically, though, rehab further radicalized him. "All I did was read books on far-left theory," he said. "I started to understand intellectually what I already understood emotionally."' << lelz << What sort of shit rehab is that! 1614113;1487186132;asciilifeform;relatedly vintage bernstein, http://archive.is/xZZmb >> ''Some people argued that randomness generation should be centralized--- whether in the OS or hypervisor or CPU---and fixed at that central location if it doesn't work properly. Other people argued that each library and application should defend itself against failures of the centralized mechanism. There actually seem to be three positions...'' 1614114;1487186213;mircea_popescu;as per the very apt asciilifeform observation, rng flux === tty flux. there should be one rng per human, more or less. 1614115;1487186258;mircea_popescu;that's the proper degree of centralization. 1614116;1487186334;*;asciilifeform was reading up on design & history of '/dev/random' and reeling at the lunacy of the very idea of multi-proggy rng pool 1614117;1487186345;asciilifeform;it isn't much less ridiculous than ~multi-user~ one 1614118;1487186402;asciilifeform;what i ~did~ find was a tremendous volume of deliberate, artful obscurantism, e.g. the german linked earlier. 1614119;1487186702;asciilifeform;in other noose, i realized that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613906 is a bad idea. 1614120;1487186702;a111;Logged on 2017-02-14 19:19 asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r 1614121;1487186837;asciilifeform;if enemy knows that a particular (x,y) come out to a block of, e.g., 0, (via known plaintext), he can store (x,y) for future use 1614122;1487186856;asciilifeform;however what i do not know is whether it is a worse idea than ~block ciphers per se~ ! 1614123;1487186887;asciilifeform;because enemy can do this just as easily with, e.g., first two blocks (and iv) of AES-CBC. 1614124;1487187519;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'Buffett told Charlie Rose in a recent interview that he loaded up on $12 billion worth of stock since the election through the end of January.' 1614125;1487187523;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is why you want large blocks. the odds of x, y recurring is given by the size of x and y 1614126;1487187528;asciilifeform;of crapple stock. 1614127;1487187544;mircea_popescu;well, 12 billion ~worth~ is a misnomer, but sure. 1614128;1487187552;mircea_popescu;somebody gotta buy all the dumpage. 1614129;1487187564;mircea_popescu;old man from omaha seems a perfect candidate. 1614130;1487187596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the scheme i described, and using, e.g., serpent, the p of an (x,y) recurring is ~0 1614131;1487187617;asciilifeform;(32 byte blocks) 1614132;1487187638;asciilifeform;it still bothers me, for some reason, and currently trying to put finger on why 1614133;1487187660;asciilifeform;maybe i simply hate voodoo ciphers. 1614134;1487188776;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://archive.is/fsVJ0 >> 'Nearly $1 billion is now frozen in European banks, awaiting a decision by a U.S. district court on the U.S. Justice Department’s forfeiture claim. The assets are subject to U.S. jurisdiction because they were transmitted through U.S. financial institutions on their way to accounts held in Latvia, the United Kingdom, Hong Kong, Ireland, Belgium, 1614135;1487188782;asciilifeform;Luxembourg and Switzerland.' 1614136;1487188850;asciilifeform;'“A really surprising thing about that letter is that the Uzbek civil society would rather the money go back to the treasury of any government, than go back to their own government,” Campbell said.' 1614137;1487188855;asciilifeform;CIVIL SOCIETY!! didjaknow. 1614138;1487188920;mircea_popescu;heh 1614139;1487188950;mircea_popescu;this notion that "subject to us jurisdiction because transmitted" is such lulz. 1614140;1487188982;asciilifeform;'if it ain't bolted down, it is subject to my jurisdiction' -- every thief ever 1614141;1487188982;mircea_popescu;how about washington DC air is subject to russian jurisdiction because it was transmitted to its current position through russia. 1614142;1487189132;mircea_popescu;check it out, they even call it us kleptocracy department! apt. 1614143;1487189216;mircea_popescu;the numbers are lulzy though : 1trillion stolen from orclands ; 10x the aid inflowing. 1614144;1487189239;asciilifeform;how else. 1614145;1487189267;asciilifeform;occasionally you do hear of thief who drops wallet at the scene containing moar than he stole -- but this is rare. 1614146;1487189328;mircea_popescu;anyway. the bs is pretty thickly laid out, apparently dude at the center of all this is usg agent who got 20mn to try and overturn the govt but then stole the money ? or somesuch 1614147;1487189457;asciilifeform;'Umarov was released to his family in Tennessee in 2009 thanks to high-level pressure from the U.S. State Department. The former oligarch turned political opponent is now one of the most prominent among many victims...' << lulzy 1614148;1487189464;asciilifeform;apparently ukrtron misfired that time. 1614149;1487189501;asciilifeform;some ukratronicist got stern talkin'-to. 1614150;1487189523;mircea_popescu;seems like he was working for the great orange revolution movement. 1614151;1487189532;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1614152;1487189649;asciilifeform;'For one thing, Uzbekistan’s independent civil society has been decimated. Between 2004 and 2007, the government forced international organizations out of the country. ' << ohnoez! 1614153;1487189654;asciilifeform;uppity orcses! 1614154;1487189688;ben_vulpes;decent odds that cutting funding for abortion services abroad is just a prelude to cutting funding for * abroad. 1614155;1487189729;ben_vulpes;"house of cards" pissed quite a few 'middle class' murkkans off. 1614156;1487189729;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: or plain rerun of bush-II-era bone thrown to the church, snoar. 1614157;1487189827;ben_vulpes;church of woke or church of born again, water draining out of both buckets. 1614158;1487189853;ben_vulpes;bone, prelude. or, or, or. 1614159;1487189931;*;asciilifeform finds the ceremonial, null-summing back-and-forth components of usg political circus a mega-snore 1614160;1487190395;ben_vulpes;the re-carving of territory up by the replacement right and replacement left could be interesting. not saying that it is yet, or that it mustest be, but that if it does transpire i will pop corn. 1614161;1487190708;asciilifeform;in other trololols, https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gcrypt-devel/2016-November/003973.html 1614162;1487190784;asciilifeform;'...- Polls /dev/random until it's available, then - Reads from /dev/urandom (the non-blocking interface) instead. Most of the code in this patch was lifted from libsodium, which already does this. Libsodium is ISC Licensed (by Frank Denis).' 1614163;1487190797;ben_vulpes;https://paragonie.com/ 1614164;1487190807;asciilifeform;'Scott Arciszewski Chief Development Officer Paragon Initiative Enterprises' 1614165;1487190826;asciilifeform;that ml is chock-full of lulz btw. 1614166;1487191582;mircea_popescu;their country's institutions have reached consensus. 1614167;1487192335;ben_vulpes;"There’s no real thought about: what is the purpose of asset forfeiture? What is it designed to achieve?” said Kristian Lasslett, director of the Institute for Research in Social Sciences at Ulster University, who has been working to develop the emerging academic field of 'state crime'." 1614168;1487192382;ben_vulpes;sovereignty gaaaames 1614169;1487192463;ben_vulpes;challenge it on cultural diversity grounds: "baksheesh is how other cultures work, and this inane attempt to 'combat corruption' is really just thinly-disguised cultural imperialism justifying usg statal overreach" 1614170;1487192491;ben_vulpes;"next you'll want to disband the tribes of the fertile crescent!" 1614171;1487192497;ben_vulpes;owait.png 1614172;1487193936;mircea_popescu;heh. 1614173;1487193970;mircea_popescu;but yes, "fight against corruption" === "usg wants to steal your country" 1614174;1487193988;mircea_popescu;that's the codeword for non-usg-compliant-orc : "corrupt". 1614175;1487194020;mircea_popescu;makes sense on their twisted level, anyone who doesn't see the glory of the libertard revelation is either insane (trump) or else corrupt (if orc). 1614176;1487194058;mircea_popescu;though they're trying to corrupt narrative with trump also. just, they're so deeply racist that they won't believe a "citizen" could possibly be anything but insane. sluggish schizophrenia ftw! 1614177;1487194074;mircea_popescu;whereas an orc is necessarily corrupt, cuz dem niggers are stealing our womenz. 1614178;1487194422;ben_vulpes;superior orc seed 1614179;1487194439;mircea_popescu;anyway. the greeks are handling the postmodern soup a lot better than eg the germans. 1614180;1487194446;ben_vulpes;how's that? 1614181;1487194453;mircea_popescu;testament to how in a dictatorship the whore does a lot better than the engineer. 1614182;1487194467;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes because they essentially dedicate themselves to extraction out of the would-be bigman. 1614183;1487194475;ben_vulpes;aah 1614184;1487194483;mircea_popescu;there's very little threat to greek national identity the dos can mount 1614185;1487194497;mircea_popescu;whereas german, or japanese identity is i suspect forever lost at this point. 1614186;1487194514;mircea_popescu;they'll never be anything more than a sort of mexicans, i can use them as cumrags but not as germans. 1614187;1487194652;mircea_popescu;hitler remains a very instructive illustration of the pitfals of hatred. yes he did destroy the british empire. there's not now nor ever will be any future for the shitheads spawned by that miserable island. the cost however... there's no germany nor will likely ever be one again. 1614188;1487194669;mircea_popescu;kinda why people tend to be cowardly in realpolitik. "yes i can nuke him, and that'll be the end of us both" sorta thing 1614189;1487194752;ben_vulpes;"The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by 'intelligence' like candy. Very un-American!" god i love realdonaldtrump 1614190;1487194771;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this is 2010 trilema. recently making the rounds on reddit, and such. 1614191;1487194787;ben_vulpes;the distribution of 'intelligence' by bureaucrats? 1614192;1487194789;mircea_popescu;(yes, the problems of the us today played out in romania a decade ago, hurr durr). 1614193;1487194790;mircea_popescu;yup. 1614194;1487194798;mircea_popescu;i can fish out the exact article for you if you're curious. 1614195;1487194830;ben_vulpes;mildly 1614196;1487194839;ben_vulpes;was there bitching at the top about the selective leaking? 1614197;1487194906;ben_vulpes;"Obamacare's markets are nearing failure as premiums climb and healthier individuals drop out" << did someone cancel the penalty for rolling uninsured or am i missing something here 1614198;1487194969;trinque;he told the IRS to stop enforcing it, yeah 1614199;1487194988;ben_vulpes;whoa wait how did i miss that 1614200;1487195003;mircea_popescu;yup. 1614201;1487195018;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dunno, was top ticket in my week 1 argument with stan. 1614202;1487195045;ben_vulpes;link? 1614203;1487195052;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/a-t-spea-dosariada/ for the curious. 1614204;1487195536;ben_vulpes;worthwhile translation candidate? 1614205;1487195632;mircea_popescu;ugh. 1614206;1487195634;mircea_popescu;it's hard ;/ 1614207;1487197034;ben_vulpes;phf: man once i got the simulator all wired up boy howdy was it nice to have unified keybindings for the mobile scutwork 1614208;1487197045;ben_vulpes;appcode: no worse than xcode 1614209;1487197061;ben_vulpes;and at the very least shares keybindings with intellij/android studio 1614210;1487197292;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://archive.is/M3T2W >> 'These games do not aim to make players feel successful and powerful as conventional video games do, and instead challenge people to look at the world in a different way. Creators of the games said they were more interested in showing the complicated lives of the people and places the world has left behind...' 1614211;1487197353;asciilifeform;'Conway, the game’s main character, is put through numerous tough situations that evoke economic despair. In one scene, after he suffers a serious injury, his leg is replaced by a gleaming skeletal prosthetic, and he is vaguely informed that he owes money to a corporation. In another, he descends into a subterranean whiskey distillery staffed by animated skeletons, whom he learns are doomed to 1614212;1487197359;asciilifeform;toil endlessly for debts they can never repay.' 1614213;1487200743;ben_vulpes;possible husseincare hack: sign up for 1 month of high-deductible, max out HSA contribution, discontinue insurance plan. 1614214;1487200830;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what does this do ? 1614215;1487200854;ben_vulpes;pile up pre-tax dollars reserved for 'valid medical expenses' without incurring the insurance cost 1614216;1487200936;asciilifeform;and what's to keep'em from magicking away the moneys? 1614217;1487200948;ben_vulpes;which "them"? 1614218;1487200955;ben_vulpes;hsa administrator or usg? 1614219;1487200963;asciilifeform;either 1614220;1487200969;ben_vulpes;nothing as before 1614221;1487200974;ben_vulpes;it's a bezzle hack asciilifeform 1614222;1487200980;ben_vulpes;nothing compares to bitcoin we all know this 1614223;1487201023;asciilifeform;'bezzle hacks' typically work until plebes start doing'em 1614224;1487201035;ben_vulpes;plebe's can't max out an hsa in one month, get real 1614225;1487201038;ben_vulpes;plebes* 1614226;1487201068;asciilifeform;what's 'max out' here? i slept in a cave, and have genuinely nfi 1614227;1487201133;asciilifeform;100 $ ? 1000? 1e6 ? 1614228;1487201141;ben_vulpes;"health savings account" is an account into which someone on specific kinds of health insurance plans may deposit a maximum of 3 or 6ish shibux per annum 1614229;1487201156;ben_vulpes;3e3-6e3 as f(family size) 1614230;1487201163;asciilifeform;aah pittance 1614231;1487201168;asciilifeform;maybe worx then 1614232;1487201175;ben_vulpes;still outta reach of plebs, and yes, pittance. 1614233;1487201187;ben_vulpes;robust tax strategy is a wall of pittances. 1614234;1487201276;ben_vulpes;entails* 1614235;1487201613;mircea_popescu;this is altogether dubious as a theory. 1614236;1487201735;asciilifeform;there was a mircea_popescu thread ! and possibly whole article also 1614237;1487201750;asciilifeform;'get rich by picking up pennies from asphalt' lulz 1614238;1487201943;ben_vulpes;no getting rich here, just clawing back my pennies from the commies 1614239;1487201962;ben_vulpes;"what income? this other business showed a perfectly-offsetting loss." 1614240;1487201997;ben_vulpes;lest anyone get the wrong idea, i don't tend to pick fights with the irs. 1614241;1487202051;asciilifeform;betcha ben_vulpes cashes in his glass bottles also... 1614242;1487202072;asciilifeform;( supposing this even exists in usa somewhere ) 1614243;1487202081;ben_vulpes;ouch, no 1614244;1487202135;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i am fair miserly though 1614245;1487202213;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's also a rather dubious strategy. 1614246;1487202227;ben_vulpes;can't win! 1614247;1487202234;mircea_popescu;understand that the system isn't there to fuck bahamas the imbecile nigger ; nor buffett the uberrich whiteboy. 1614248;1487202240;mircea_popescu;the system is there to fuck you. 1614249;1487202266;mircea_popescu;and it principally homes in the exact sort of middle class boy cleverness you discuss. 1614250;1487202308;ben_vulpes;what's the second dubious strat? not picking fights with the irs? 1614251;1487202310;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i'm sitting here looking at fy 2016 during which it seems i paid approximately 2.47%, and this is before figuring in the easements from the women i own. 1614252;1487203718;BingoBoingo; "Obamacare's markets are nearing failure as premiums climb and healthier individuals drop out" << did someone cancel the penalty for rolling uninsured or am i missing something here << "Rolling uninsured" penalty is trivial compared to Obamacare subscription 1614253;1487203738;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: sure, if you don't have taxable income 1614254;1487203769;mircea_popescu;what you mean is, "if you're not trying to run a small business" 1614255;1487203848;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, the utter dearth of "small businesses! young people!" verbiage in the tower of maga is perhaps the lulziest part of all this. 1614256;1487203875;ben_vulpes;nono, instead we get "women executives" 1614257;1487203895;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc it maxed out at ~2k $. even if you were buffett. 1614258;1487203905;asciilifeform;the penalty, that is. 1614259;1487203910;mircea_popescu;"service economy" aka "we'll prosper through doing each other's laundry, babysitting each other's kids and drawing things on each other's napkins" to be replaced by "maga economy" aka "we'll prosper through hipsters in haliburton hard hats" or wtf. 1614260;1487203918;ben_vulpes;if it were "small businesses! young people!" the clamor for universal college debt jubilee would be deafening 1614261;1487203949;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: max was total annual premiums for a "bronze" plan 1614262;1487203957;mircea_popescu;they actually call it that ? 1614263;1487203964;mircea_popescu;side question : do you get to sniff the plan ? 1614264;1487203989;ben_vulpes;it's a scratch-and-sniff 1614265;1487203996;mircea_popescu;!~google bronze sniffing 1614266;1487203997;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Abnormal Botlane: Sniffing Bronze moments - YouTube: ; Bronze Foxes - Scully & Scully: ; Austrian Bronze Sniffing Fox Figurine | fox love | Pinterest: 1614267;1487204008;mircea_popescu;hm apparently this dun exist in anglo ? 1614268;1487204012;mircea_popescu;!~google aurolacii 1614269;1487204013;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Black - Zet Feat. Teakă - Aurolacii (Cassette) at Discogs: ; De ce sufla aurolacii in pungi? - Forumul Softpedia: ; aurolacii si passat_ul(b31uzzi) - YouTube: 1614270;1487204020;ben_vulpes;what is this 'bronze sniffing'? 1614271;1487204037;mircea_popescu;aurolac = instabronze, which is what ro urchins sniff. 1614272;1487204090;ben_vulpes;ah 'huffing'? 1614273;1487204147;mircea_popescu;aha. 1614274;1487204447;mircea_popescu;iirc it was plain glue + toluene + aluminum dust. 1614275;1487204478;ben_vulpes;whoa gross 1614276;1487204507;mircea_popescu;i'm pretty sure it's toluene because of the tell-tale parasympathetic lesions leading to loss of ability to regulate body heat in abusers. 1614277;1487204671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: about when did this come into fashion? 1614278;1487204693;mircea_popescu;depends. became a niche thing pre 70s ; otherwise during the 90s 1614279;1487204734;mircea_popescu;there's that picture of the naked kid sniffing from a bag in bucharest cca 2000 that gave it iconic status 1614280;1487204738;asciilifeform;because i have a distinct memory of a piece re 'sniffing' being wholly unknown until popularized by a certain nyt piece (wholly fabricated 'threat-or-menace?' hackjob) 1614281;1487204751;mircea_popescu;but it's self limiting enough that it never was as fashionable as i dunno, raising cats. 1614282;1487204759;mircea_popescu;nah. 1614283;1487204806;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Huffing has been a thing since sad man first found petroleum seep 1614284;1487204820;BingoBoingo;Just NYT made it more popular in 1990's 1614285;1487204826;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sniffing technological solvents is never going to be fashionable in the ipad sense for obvious reasons. 1614286;1487204849;mircea_popescu;i know the specs and etc because it was in the management class, workforce hazards. 1614287;1487204867;mircea_popescu;meanwhile workforce became you know, "in charge of its own destiny", consequently sniffs the hazards voluntarilt. 1614288;1487204870;asciilifeform;i've found 0 mentions in print dated prior ~1970, in any language. but then again i did not dedicate life to searching for this atlantis. 1614289;1487204871;mircea_popescu;quite the world. 1614290;1487204946;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was a thing in the sense gayness was a thing. before the boring lametards got their grubby culturally appropriative hands on it, meausred in ppm but present. 1614291;1487205076;asciilifeform;plenty of descriptions of every conceivable type of buggery remain from ~all times and places for which we have text at all 1614292;1487205087;mircea_popescu;really ? what you got from 1950 ? 1614293;1487205089;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VtO9G/?raw=true 1614294;1487205089;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1614295;1487205099;asciilifeform;where do i read about petrosniffers pre-70s 1614296;1487205117;mircea_popescu;that's my point. post ww2 there's very marked silence-post-centralisation. 1614297;1487205120;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: j.e.hoover's papers alone 1614298;1487205159;mircea_popescu;well yes but sniffing solvent and writing on paper are rather mutually exclusive. 1614299;1487205171;asciilifeform;the witnesses write? 1614300;1487205190;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632858/The-ultimate-living-How-poor-carve-living-SEWERS-Eastern-European-city.html << there 1614301;1487205197;mircea_popescu;the text is useless, but the images authentic. 1614302;1487205279;asciilifeform;looks to be re modern-day? 1614303;1487205327;mircea_popescu;decade ago or so. anyway, it's a subculture, inconsequential as it may be. in certain ways infinitely more authentic than the alternative interpretations. 1614304;1487205495;asciilifeform;in other 'news' -- 'modern watergate' etc. 'woman state' will remove mr.t, seems quite clear. even as a figurehead, too much of an irritant 1614305;1487205515;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda curious how this plays out myself. 1614306;1487205758;ben_vulpes;let us not forget how committed you were to "can not possibly win, clitler and lizards would never stand for it" you were, asciilifeform 1614307;1487205783;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is no time bound on 'clitler wins' 1614308;1487205788;mircea_popescu;well, he likes to play the roll-up. win one, get to have been right all along :D 1614309;1487205794;mircea_popescu;right. 1614310;1487205801;ben_vulpes;good grief 1614311;1487205822;mircea_popescu;win symbolically, win eventually, win ironically, just as long as it's win! 1614312;1487205826;ben_vulpes;unfortunately, without skin in the game the man can keep "doubling down" forever. 1614313;1487205836;mircea_popescu;ikr ? pretty cool loophole he found there. 1614314;1487205837;trinque;anybody who fancies an interesting life might prefer he gets removed 1614315;1487205846;trinque;it'll piss the people who voted him in off quite a bit. 1614316;1487205853;asciilifeform;win in the concrete sense of obummery continuing ad infinitum 1614317;1487205866;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, i wouldn't particulartly mind seeing the answer to that riddle play out 1614318;1487205868;ben_vulpes;anyways, asciilifeform is there a particular thing you're citing or just "moi moi, uber alles"? 1614319;1487205884;mircea_popescu;"is there such a thing as a white man left in the new world ? or did the redskins totally eat the colonists" 1614320;1487205887;trinque;if they did nothing after, piss on them; they aren't people 1614321;1487205890;trinque;aha 1614322;1487205913;asciilifeform;trinque: recall the oregon uprising thread ? 1614323;1487205931;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's funny how "winning" works out. white man went to new world to make the local idiots stop sucking. much like iraq today. 1614324;1487205939;trinque;asciilifeform: you need to go travel the parts of the country you consider "fly over" before we continue the thread 1614325;1487205944;mircea_popescu;in the end... the stupid side of the planet ended up dragging them to its own level. 1614326;1487205948;mircea_popescu;who knows how many before ? 1614327;1487205965;asciilifeform;trinque: let me know where to buy airplane ticket for, where, e.g., irs doesn't work 1614328;1487205990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pick any large down ; go downtown. irs doesn't work. 1614329;1487206004;mircea_popescu;go to bucharest, talk to the guy depicted. no irs in those gutters. 1614330;1487206026;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand , trinque was speaking of usa locales 1614331;1487206045;mircea_popescu;alrighty. los angeles. roxbury, since i just mentioned it. pittsburg. 1614332;1487206047;mircea_popescu;you name it. 1614333;1487206053;mircea_popescu;if it's got brownstone, irs dun work there. 1614334;1487206097;trinque;didn't the oregon militia people get off anyway? 1614335;1487206105;asciilifeform;if yer white and with net worth denominated wholly in irstronium -- mega-surprise, irs works in antarctica. and on pluto. 1614336;1487206109;trinque;aside the guy they shot, and iirc it was *one* guy that died 1614337;1487206110;mircea_popescu;one died the rest walked iirc. 1614338;1487206117;mircea_popescu;kinda how enforcement works at that level. 1614339;1487206143;trinque;waco to letting 'em walk in two decades 1614340;1487206146;trinque;progress! 1614341;1487206149;mircea_popescu;"there's nothing we can do but we realloy really wanna do something so we'll accidentallty shoot one". 1614342;1487206283;trinque;I recall having a neighbor from $southernshithole a while back 1614343;1487206297;trinque;guy roughed up a girl he liked so he carved his lungs out 1614344;1487206320;trinque;cops let him skip town 1614345;1487206328;trinque;"irs didn't work" there 1614346;1487206338;trinque;asciilifeform: there are people you've never seen in your life 1614347;1487206345;asciilifeform;it also dun work for jon corzine 1614348;1487206357;asciilifeform;(granted i never met him in the meat either.) 1614349;1487206367;asciilifeform;or that saudi prince d00d. 1614350;1487206383;mircea_popescu;yes but fewer of these. 1614351;1487206418;asciilifeform;there are plenty of interesting folx i never met, trinque . but meeting them does not magically turn anyone into them. 1614352;1487206422;mircea_popescu;i would offer it as a fact that there's more people within the contiguous 51 states (bahamas addedone, what!) on whom the irs dun work than there's webdevelopers. 1614353;1487206531;asciilifeform;quite likely 1614354;1487206549;asciilifeform;btw i suspect this is where the real bile re 'invading mexican' comes out of. 1614355;1487206610;mircea_popescu;lafond makes a great point at some point, that "violence" in the millitant style the us represents it as is principally a product of the second sons of a favoured class. 1614356;1487206630;asciilifeform;from the humblest retail monkey to the dourest engineer, folx paid in irstronium can agree to hate the paperless d00d who has nfi that tax even exists. 1614357;1487206632;mircea_popescu;this is entirely correct, "black thug" is generally the neglected son of a respectable black accountant with an earned college degree. 1614358;1487206647;mircea_popescu;similarily, the "invading mexican" is the son of a woman who moved there in the 50s barefoot and married the police chief. 1614359;1487206698;mircea_popescu;so yes, it's a class warfare thing. two heads of the aspirational hydra - one that aspires through "stem" and the other that aspires through "business". 1614360;1487206698;asciilifeform;~all adventurers are 'second sons', i thought this was elementary 1614361;1487206726;mircea_popescu;in between sucking their cock for coke bumps, there's nothing the ironic cumrags from wellesley agree more heartedly about than how lame business majors are. 1614362;1487206776;mircea_popescu;the same dynamic repeats, yes, the dorky kids who took programming class hate the jocky kids who took fast and furious on tv. 1614363;1487206792;mircea_popescu;"it was supposed to be my pie in the sky and now you're eating it!" 1614364;1487206802;mircea_popescu;the only way a pie in the sky can even be eaten in the first place is this. 1614365;1487206966;asciilifeform;american 'academia' and 'business' differ only cosmetically 1614366;1487206986;asciilifeform;largely identical pyramids. 1614367;1487207511;mircea_popescu;hence the hatred. 1614368;1487210741;ben_vulpes;in other amazings interpellating me on the way to the train: https://www.sites.google.com/site/superhappypoliticalparty/ 1614369;1487211704;trinque;legalize flying cars fuck yes, about time 1614370;1487211796;asciilifeform;gotta legalize antigrav first 1614371;1487211804;asciilifeform;firstthingsfirst. 1614372;1487212039;mircea_popescu;legalize getting killed. 1614373;1487213341;hanbot;what's the proper name to ascribe to this super fun phenomenon wherein trb node happily catches up on blocks until 99.x% and then drops connections and stops seeing new blocks after <10mins? 1614374;1487213362;mircea_popescu;blackholed ? 1614375;1487213418;hanbot;i assumed that entailed eventual unblackholing. granted i haven't had the patience to wait more than a day to see. 1614376;1487213835;trinque;might be interesting to collect some wireshark packets while this is going on. 1614377;1487213853;trinque;and to look at those alongside your log 1614378;1487213863;mircea_popescu;large project this, but yeah. 1614379;1487213929;mircea_popescu;i suspect one willing to live a monk's year with this might end up with a handful of servers inside ft meade in his hands. 1614380;1487213930;mircea_popescu;spinoza sort of job though. 1614381;1487214502;mod6;shinohai: hey, thanks! 1614382;1487215291;asciilifeform;hanbot: first apply the basic litmus: does the thing eat rpc commands while blackholed ? 1614383;1487215335;asciilifeform;(if answer is no --> thing is choking on long-verify-and-dud blox from somewhere. find out from where.) 1614384;1487215430;mod6;my test node gets bh'd all the time, still responds to rpc commands. i typically do the samething, stop. wait a bit, restart. 1614385;1487215599;asciilifeform;mod6: that'd be the other kind of blackhole, aha. 1614386;1487215712;asciilifeform;also note that if you built with malleus patch, you will be kickbanning prb peers as soon as they disgorge a prbism of any kind (e.g., 'bloom filter' command) 1614387;1487216021;mod6;yup, i should add that I am running with malleus. 1614388;1487216746;BingoBoingo; also note that if you built with malleus patch, you will be kickbanning prb peers as soon as they disgorge a prbism of any kind (e.g., 'bloom filter' command) << Bloom isn't what disconnects most PRB nowadays. It is "BIP 151 compact blocks". 1614389;1487217492;*;BingoBoingo enjoys the plot of every Tom Clancy novel playing out in role reversed fashion. Brave russians help patriotic Americans save nation from decades old KGB plot. 1614390;1487217601;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo has it. 1614391;1487217659;BingoBoingo;Seriously fucking cultural marxism was THE soviet wunderwaffen. Putin is doing the world a service by trying to disarm it. 1614392;1487217668;BingoBoingo;!~step8 1614393;1487217668;jhvh1;8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. 1614394;1487217686;mircea_popescu;no i meant re bip 151 1614395;1487217691;BingoBoingo;AHA 1614396;1487217767;BingoBoingo;Coding patch to simply say "no" to compact blocks and restore TRB/PRB communion would likely be trivial, BUT setting that precedent is impossibru 1614397;1487217790;mircea_popescu;eh, not like they run any nodes anyway. 1614398;1487217818;BingoBoingo;Still power rangers don't get to add faggy pinky stuff to node handshake. 1614399;1487217944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they run enough nodes to be palpably annoying. 1614400;1487218001;mircea_popescu;consumer + cloud junk 1614401;1487218039;asciilifeform;btw folx, don't forget about my handy aws-banhammertron. 1614402;1487218047;asciilifeform;worx wonders. 1614403;1487218146;asciilifeform;incidentally i realized that, sadly, trb will need a (simple) patch in order to link via 'g'. from simple fact that, by default, it does not like to connect to 127.0.0.1:weirdport 1614404;1487218170;mircea_popescu;not the end of teh worlds. 1614405;1487218179;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1614406;1487218187;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1022.38, vol: 3983.27409306 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1004.736, vol: 4677.29534 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1024.4, vol: 7022.72149854 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1025.07, vol: 1271.51227339 | Volume-weighted last average: 1018.55100047 1614407;1487218394;asciilifeform;in other lelz, https://archive.is/TanpJ >> 'U.S. intelligence officials have withheld sensitive intelligence from President Donald Trump because they are concerned it could be leaked or compromised, according to current and former officials familiar with the matter.' 1614408;1487218412;mircea_popescu;this'd be a hanging offense wouldn't it. 1614409;1487218420;asciilifeform;theoretically. 1614410;1487218430;BingoBoingo;!~google "navy seal" "trump flag" 1614411;1487218431;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Navy SEALs caught flying Trump flag on Humvee - The San Diego ...: ; Navy SEAL convoy spotted flying 'unauthorized' Trump flag: ; A special warfare unit was spotted flying a Trump flag in public. Now ...: (1 more message) 1614412;1487218432;asciilifeform;but they pulled on his balls -- and afaik they came right off. 1614413;1487218444;asciilifeform;vizier -- thrown to the vultures. 1614414;1487218460;mircea_popescu;let's not overstate flynn lel. bannon's teh vizier. so far he outranks cia on the nsc. 1614415;1487218494;asciilifeform;i'd picture that he is next 'ru stooge' then. 1614416;1487218503;mircea_popescu;as i said, it's fun to watch. 1614417;1487218507;asciilifeform;for 'special investigatory commission' to remove. 1614418;1487218510;mircea_popescu;beats the superbowl at any rate. 1614419;1487218586;asciilifeform;'“This is not about who won the election. This is about concerns about institutional integrity,” said Mark Lowenthal, a former senior intelligence official.' 1614420;1487218591;mircea_popescu;anyway. certainly not "next". they've been whining about him since day one, he'd have been 1st, 2nd and 100th, if only could. but the noise is soundly muted out of apparent desperation. 1614421;1487218602;asciilifeform;the last d00d who has this problem, AND solved it 100% -- was stalin. in '37. 1614422;1487218607;BingoBoingo;This year's superbowl was rare good game, and Trump/Brady won in the end 1614423;1487218699;asciilifeform;'institutional integrity' folx : 1. mr.t : 0. so far. 1614424;1487218747;trinque;no denying flynn was a "rein in teh shadow state" guy, and got popped 1614425;1487218771;asciilifeform;trinque: the correct response would be top 500 of cia org chart found hanging on meat hooks. and afaik no report of this. 1614426;1487218818;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1614427;1487218848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude that is like the most inept scoring i ever saw. for one thing, trump scored like 500 touchdowns. for the other, srsly flynn is half a point. 1614428;1487218873;mircea_popescu;get out of here with this dumb shit, you're the equivalent of the prison bitch who "prison bitch : 1 ; prison system : 0" because asshole already loose anyway. 1614429;1487218935;mircea_popescu;and if you're going to count flynn, then "some judge" is worth about what, 72 points and three superbowl nipples ? 1614430;1487218956;asciilifeform;how many judges removed by mr.t to date ? 1614431;1487218964;mircea_popescu;all of them, +/-. 1614432;1487218976;mircea_popescu;us president stated on the record that us federal judge is inept and not to be taken seriously. 1614433;1487218979;mircea_popescu;what more can you want ? 1614434;1487218983;asciilifeform;meathooks. 1614435;1487218994;*;asciilifeform is simple man. 1614436;1487219004;mircea_popescu;i don't see flynn on any meathooks. be consistent. 1614437;1487219030;BingoBoingo;Anyways, gotta make meathook factory first 1614438;1487219030;mircea_popescu;inconsistent simplicity is indistinguishable from wilful stupidity. 1614439;1487219031;asciilifeform;i'd guess that if he doesn't end on a meathook, it is because he is willing to follow instructions. 1614440;1487219039;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hecho en mexico! 1614441;1487219068;trinque;no shit huh? now they know how to meathooks 1614442;1487219096;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not guess the same but the other way ? "i never made a budget in a public institution, but if i had i'd know you always overprovision so the '''watchdogs''' can cut something and feel useful. i guess flynn was that." 1614443;1487219117;asciilifeform;balloon ballast? 1614444;1487219130;mircea_popescu;fits flynn better than "vizier" at any rate. 1614445;1487227251;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612018 << fixed, finally 1614446;1487227251;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 00:58 mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Irz1K/?raw=true << that's how a call to you looks. 1614447;1487227267;mircea_popescu;nice. 1614448;1487227377;ben_vulpes;in other radiation damage, $client calls up, "hey latest chrome doesn't work with $app from inside the muni vpn" "...can you swing a vpn or shall i get on a plane?" 1614449;1487227396;mircea_popescu;now that's sad. 1614450;1487227428;ben_vulpes;at least we finally routed around the procurement process... 1614451;1487228767;ben_vulpes;and in yet other "you don't own this device" news, my v1 kindle does this amazing trick when i email it .mobi files where it briefly displays them and then immediately removes them 1614452;1487229298;mircea_popescu;learn this one amazing trick a portland dad discovered that apple doesn't want you to know. 1614453;1487229545;ben_vulpes;spoiler alert: it's called a usb cable 1614454;1487229608;ben_vulpes;i am fond of the device. it has a slow, but acceptable resolution screen for reading old texts of middling ocr quality, fits in jeans pocket. most importantly and differentiating it from later models, it shows no ads. 1614455;1487229622;mircea_popescu;they pump ads now ? 1614456;1487229631;ben_vulpes;i know a gent who is cursed with one of the later, more expensive models and he keeps it in a piece of leather to hide the ads. 1614457;1487229634;ben_vulpes;oya for years now. 1614458;1487229643;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1614459;1487229652;ben_vulpes;every release past the first if i recall correctly. second you could buy an ad-free version, but... 1614460;1487229672;mircea_popescu;and people actually carry these around ?! 1614461;1487229690;ben_vulpes;excellent little device for erotica on the train "or so i hear" 1614462;1487229700;mircea_popescu;it's quickly becoming a sign of idiocy, like going out in public in flip flops / hoodie or being fat. 1614463;1487229710;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why would you want erotica on the train ? 1614464;1487229723;ben_vulpes;don't ask me, i'm not sixty female and fat 1614465;1487229729;mircea_popescu;ah 1614466;1487229732;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1614467;1487229759;mircea_popescu;otherwise wtf... so you get hard and... oh shit i didn't plan this far ahead... uhmmm... i guess fuck this here keyhole. 1614468;1487229768;ben_vulpes;i do low-intensity email and various other tasks that don't call for focus on the train 1614469;1487229817;mircea_popescu;last time i was actually on a train-train i bought out the sleeping car and had the girls naked and rubbing before it rolled out of the station. 1614470;1487229854;ben_vulpes;this is a plasti-train 1614471;1487229856;mircea_popescu;in retrospect i guess shoulda brought the adspad. 1614472;1487229881;ben_vulpes;hey i found a slut on the train to pycon one year! 1614473;1487229883;ben_vulpes;forgot about that 1614474;1487229892;mircea_popescu;ah, those. i went on the light rail here, it was a spicy adventure. i don't think they EVER maintain the tracks. solid 10 minutes of screeching. 1614475;1487229904;mircea_popescu;if a car doesn't go offrail there one of these days, argentina is outside normal physics. 1614476;1487229909;ben_vulpes;wait they have 'light rail' in arse? 1614477;1487229914;mircea_popescu;yep 1614478;1487229917;ben_vulpes;el subte? 1614479;1487229927;mircea_popescu;well extension lines to poor people yeah 1614480;1487229932;ben_vulpes;surely not i thought that was an actual subway 1614481;1487229945;ben_vulpes;have they run one to the airport yet ffs? 1614482;1487229946;mircea_popescu;i am relatively proud to say i have by now seen just about every inch of this ~largest town on earth. 1614483;1487229950;mircea_popescu;nope. 1614484;1487229954;ben_vulpes;wth 1614485;1487229960;mircea_popescu;WHY WOULD YOU NEED THAT. 1614486;1487229988;ben_vulpes;train to jfk always beat cabs on price and speed 1614487;1487229994;mircea_popescu;let me make a point here. buenos aires and instanbul are about the same thing, 10mn+ towns, largest in their area etc. 1614488;1487230023;mircea_popescu;istanbul airport processes about 5-10k people/hour, every hour, every day. i haven't seen anything like that since before maga. 1614489;1487230043;mircea_popescu;buenos aires HAS NO DIRECT FLIGHTS. you understand this ? they're like omaha, nebraska, you can fly to flordia or madrid. that's it. 1614490;1487230054;mircea_popescu;timisoara int'l has better connections than eze. 1614491;1487230064;mircea_popescu;and you've seen that glorified parking lot. 1614492;1487230078;ben_vulpes;you keep wanting to backport me to c2 1614493;1487230088;mircea_popescu;oh. you haven't ? 1614494;1487230092;ben_vulpes;retcon* 1614495;1487230097;ben_vulpes;nah, on the list though 1614496;1487230098;mircea_popescu;well, it's about the size of a medium sized mall's parking lot. 1614497;1487230147;ben_vulpes;yaok i get it. no traffic, no train. 1614498;1487230168;mircea_popescu;quite. 1614499;1487230173;ben_vulpes;still. no train to an airport that far from 'downtown' is bogus. 1614500;1487230189;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1614501;1487230193;mircea_popescu;whole place is bogus. 1614502;1487230202;ben_vulpes;pretty facades, though! 1614503;1487230207;mircea_popescu;quite. 1614504;1487230228;ben_vulpes;a+ steaks and entirely friendly horsefolk too 1614505;1487230235;mircea_popescu;part of the facade. 1614506;1487230244;ben_vulpes;lol 1614507;1487230247;mircea_popescu;you know someone stole my screwdriver today ? 1614508;1487230271;ben_vulpes;the mind boggles at the conspiracy of circumstance that would let a someone near your tools 1614509;1487230309;mircea_popescu;eh, cheap chino item. i set it on the windowsill. stepped inside for a moment. wind rolled it into the gap. when i came back, 5 mins later... gone. 1614510;1487230321;ben_vulpes;brutal 1614511;1487230328;ben_vulpes;also, sad 1614512;1487230338;ben_vulpes;probably no usable steel in it even 1614513;1487230345;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants a used 10 dollar screwdriver from the sidewalk ffs. 1614514;1487230366;ben_vulpes;i ever tell you about how i took sport in fixing toilets in ars my first trip there? 1614515;1487230375;mircea_popescu;o yeah ? 1614516;1487230379;mircea_popescu;well you did a shit job of it 1614517;1487230383;mircea_popescu;because they're still broken. 1614518;1487230394;ben_vulpes;you just can't trust these people 1614519;1487230427;ben_vulpes;anyways, 9/10 places charging more than twenty dollars a place had at least one busted shitter 1614520;1487230436;mircea_popescu;aha 1614521;1487230450;ben_vulpes;facade of a sushi joint's only shitter was busted 1614522;1487230455;ben_vulpes;and the most amusing 'fixes' 1614523;1487230636;mircea_popescu;it;s something else with the toilets. in any other place, you can guess : cheapo place, dubious shitter ; expensive restaurant, nice shitter. 1614524;1487230655;mircea_popescu;here, it's totally disconnected. you can go to a pretentious restaurant, take an ill advised left and find oyurself in that scene from trainspotting. 1614525;1487230676;mircea_popescu;you can also step into hole in the wall nothingery, ask for toilet, discover that it's immaculate, and slightly larger than the dining hall. 1614526;1487230870;ben_vulpes;myup 1614527;1487230880;mircea_popescu;aqnd it doesn't bother them, any. 1614528;1487230882;ben_vulpes;if the shutters are up 1614529;1487230895;mircea_popescu;i ask the maitre d' "so what happened to your bathroom ?" "uh... it's always been like that." 1614530;1487230901;mircea_popescu;well... that'd be the problem, yes ? 1614531;1487230967;ben_vulpes;upstairs of the cafe where asciilifeform and i had coffees with chetty was hugely bathroom, and the space that wasn't bathroom unused 1614532;1487230985;ben_vulpes;in line with the wannabe shabby chic of the place 1614533;1487230994;mircea_popescu;yeah they're abhorrently bad at allocating real estate. 1614534;1487231027;ben_vulpes;place entirely fails to achieve "delightfully busted" unless you really go looking for it 1614535;1487231058;ben_vulpes;anyways, later 1614536;1487231061;mircea_popescu;tada 1614537;1487254834;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614456 << you patch it, like literate people; or pay the extra 10bux, like chump 1614538;1487254834;a111;Logged on 2017-02-16 07:20 ben_vulpes: i know a gent who is cursed with one of the later, more expensive models and he keeps it in a piece of leather to hide the ads. 1614539;1487254865;asciilifeform;that somebody, somewhere, endures the ads, is brain-melting 1614540;1487254893;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you notice anything in the interiors of the sewage system dwellers asciilifeform ? 1614541;1487254904;asciilifeform;0ads 1614542;1487254925;mircea_popescu;yes but did you notice the old phone kept as a statuette ? and the rest of the hipster dumbassery ? 1614543;1487254996;asciilifeform;i assumed they had cut into a line... 1614544;1487255001;mircea_popescu;o you did, did you. 1614545;1487255011;mircea_popescu;you assumed they had a tty somewhgere, also ? 1614546;1487255019;mircea_popescu;that'd be why it's buried under crap, becauswe functional. 1614547;1487255021;asciilifeform;they did have mains current, neh 1614548;1487255030;asciilifeform;so wai not phone 1614549;1487255051;mircea_popescu;tell you what : those people are the quintessential hipsters. that's what a hipster is, exactly that : a bum. like orwell, like all the ironic waitresses / actresses of the west coast. bums. tramps. PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AT HIME HERE. 1614550;1487255057;mircea_popescu;"it's just a gig, man, it's not my life" 1614551;1487255072;mircea_popescu;that old phone provides a fundamental lifeline. maybe god will call him on that phone any day now. 1614552;1487255099;mircea_popescu;that phone is the palpable (it has to be! hipsters don;'t have souls), certain mark of apartenence. they are people too, because of that phone, you see ? 1614553;1487255101;mircea_popescu;same thing with the ads. 1614554;1487255130;mircea_popescu;mark of the covenant, with their ancestor lord-saint graham bell. 1614555;1487255168;asciilifeform;i have definitely seen proper bums with phone here in my monkeystan. so this is solid. 1614556;1487255218;mircea_popescu;the notion that meryl streep is in any way different from bruce lee of bucharest's sewers, or for that matter you-name-her-nameless-activist-du-jour is possibly contemporaneity's best lol. 1614557;1487255294;mircea_popescu;"for as lord as i hear the voice of google and all the websaints, i am not properly alone in teh valley of where mp rapes my buttonhole daily."| 1614558;1487255349;mircea_popescu;ever wondered why people who literally do nothing online, spend all day on quora or wikipedia or whatever, get so irate if their signal dies ? "omaigawd no internet" "bitch, this is good for youcoin." 1614559;1487255653;asciilifeform;actually i have almost nfi re who these are or how 1614560;1487255672;mircea_popescu;you gotta fuck wild, man. 1614561;1487255688;asciilifeform;always assumed that they are slaves in some phb office, redditing when boss not looking 1614562;1487255775;mircea_popescu;mostly "students". recall the chick being educated over phone ? 1614563;1487255776;trinque;nah they're baristas that teach yoga and but really someday my (obscure pointless hobby) will be discovered on etsygogo 1614564;1487255801;mircea_popescu;just about. 20yos too lame to fuck being kept busy so nobody has to notice they're actually too lame to fuck. 1614565;1487255858;mircea_popescu;trinque they're hysterical with the self-identifying, too. "i do x-with-y dorkitude". you know, like "i'm a doctor". "i paint seashells with nail polish" 1614566;1487255884;mircea_popescu;oh, THAT'S what you do. how about when you're not being 5, what do you do then ? 1614567;1487255891;trinque;met a chick in portland that literally made cat bowties 1614568;1487255896;trinque;not out of cat, mind, but for them 1614569;1487255904;mircea_popescu;i met one who made papier mache hats. 1614570;1487255921;mircea_popescu;and AT FIRST i thought she's the tits, because hey, seemed like she's aware of a by now 20 yo mockery of the exact genre. 1614571;1487255933;mircea_popescu;but no. she was playing gorge's accountant girlfriend straight for chrissakes 1614572;1487255940;trinque;lol 1614573;1487255960;mircea_popescu;had me going for a while, you know, cause obviously my retort was "what do you do when it rains" 1614574;1487255972;mircea_popescu;and she went "oh, they're art silly, you hang them on the wall" 1614575;1487255979;mircea_popescu;totally unaware. jawdrop of the year. 1614576;1487255983;asciilifeform;i'd much rather see retarded folx make hats for cats, endearingly harmless , than to shit into the net, imho 1614577;1487255995;mircea_popescu;it is neither endearing nor harmless. it is animal abuse. 1614578;1487256010;mircea_popescu;and i mean that literally. 1614579;1487256013;asciilifeform;waiwat they actually put'em on? 1614580;1487256014;mircea_popescu;animals are not your fucking "companions" anymore than you're an oil rig. 1614581;1487256015;trinque;nah you let people be inane by themselves too long, they get self-important and will return to foist it upon you 1614582;1487256027;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the cats dun enter into it. 1614583;1487256093;asciilifeform;elaborate? 1614584;1487256148;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1. animals don't matter. ducttaping around a chicken and fucking it for fun is not animal abuse ; 2. people are at the center. imagining the chicken is your companion IS animal abuse, in that you abuse the animal. 1614585;1487256198;mircea_popescu;ie, chicken CAN be fucked in the manner described ; but chicken CAN NOT be your companion. 1614586;1487256309;asciilifeform;aah 1614587;1487256471;asciilifeform;i dun see a massive diff b/w trying to use chicken as fuckhole and as 'companion' 1614588;1487256494;mircea_popescu;but chicken works as fuckhole. 1614589;1487256496;asciilifeform;both starvation behaviour 1614590;1487256515;asciilifeform;like eating mud in the culturalrevolution 1614591;1487256516;mircea_popescu;do you see the difference between trying to use transformer as capacitor and trying to use transformer as father ? 1614592;1487256561;mircea_popescu;former is starvation behaviour ; latter is retardation behaviour. starvation of a different kind, of a different part. no blood supply to brain. 1614593;1487256605;asciilifeform;advanced starvation is probably difficult to distinguish from organic retardation yes 1614594;1487256675;mircea_popescu;depends for whom. syphilis and staphilococcus infection also difficult to distinguish, for layman. 1614595;1487256830;mircea_popescu;"bacterial infection". well yes, mr watson. 1614596;1487261818;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, 1614597;1487261818;asciilifeform;'Security expert and doomsayer Bruce Schneier – speaking by video owing to RSA Conference commitments in San Francisco and perhaps prescience with regard to seasonal travel challenges – predicted that the government is coming to handcuff coders. "We all had this special right to code the world as we saw fit," said Schneier. "My guess is we're going to lose that right, because it's too dangerous 1614598;1487261825;asciilifeform;to give to a bunch of techies."' 1614599;1487261828;mircea_popescu;oh he's a doomsayer is he 1614600;1487261829;asciilifeform;'predicted' 1614601;1487261835;mircea_popescu;i like it how cuban is "billionaire" also. 1614602;1487261856;asciilifeform;( http://archive.is/6ZC1X ) 1614603;1487261869;mircea_popescu;dork. who the fuck asked anyone anything. 1614604;1487261883;mircea_popescu;how do you say axe handle in english ? 1614605;1487261903;asciilifeform;afaik you don't 1614606;1487261909;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 1614607;1487261910;asciilifeform;(ru has the word, en -- not) 1614608;1487261983;asciilifeform;https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/15/white_house_drama_and_confide_app << another lulzie from same rag, re a fauxpgp supposedly used by 'white house staffers' 1614609;1487262003;asciilifeform;'...the software, available for iOS and Android, basically uses the OpenPGP standard to perform public-private cryptography, uses AES for ephemeral per-message encryption, and exchanges public keys between users via TLS connections with certificate pinning.' 1614610;1487262014;mircea_popescu;lol ios. 1614611;1487262021;asciilifeform;aha. and 'certificate pinning'. 1614612;1487262030;mircea_popescu;"basically". did you cheat on me ? "basically not" 1614613;1487262046;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613822 . ) 1614614;1487262046;a111;Logged on 2017-02-14 15:34 mircea_popescu: for it to count it can't be denied, which comes down to, because michael flynn contains nothing, encryption doesn't help him in any way. 1614615;1487262224;asciilifeform;elsewhere in lulzdom, http://archive.is/Evns5 << mr.t's bank publicly pisses on him 1614616;1487262250;mircea_popescu;does that do anything ? 1614617;1487262298;asciilifeform;nfi. but i was under impression that folx expected to piss back, do not get pissed on in this way. 1614618;1487262300;phf;multitran has gotten completely useless, it gives grip, shank and tang, though the last two are the metal parts (at least in case of knives) 1614619;1487262322;mircea_popescu;waitwhat 1614620;1487262331;asciilifeform;for the axe 1614621;1487262334;asciilifeform;handle 1614622;1487262343;mircea_popescu;lol 1614623;1487262343;phf;right 1614624;1487262408;phf;i was curious. mt uses to produce pretty accurate translations that i would not have guessed, but it's been wikipidiotized at some point, so now it gives every single possible relevant translation 1614625;1487262413;phf;*used to 1614626;1487262467;mircea_popescu;anyway. the point being, for the anglos, that the axe is the tool you use to chop down forest, and the axe handle is made of wood. 1614627;1487262485;asciilifeform;google fails unsurprisingly: https://translate.google.com/#ru/en/%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5 1614628;1487263083;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614552 << http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/02/14/nokia-bring-back-historic-3310/ 1614629;1487263083;a111;Logged on 2017-02-16 14:24 mircea_popescu: that phone is the palpable (it has to be! hipsters don;'t have souls), certain mark of apartenence. they are people too, because of that phone, you see ? 1614630;1487263118;asciilifeform;i'd bet that the 'reprinted' nokia will resemble that ti calculator 1614631;1487263140;asciilifeform;(the one where there is a GHz arm, running shitlinux, and inside it, emulator of the original 68k calc) 1614632;1487263159;asciilifeform;because -- elementarily -- the original components are no longer available. 1614633;1487263233;asciilifeform;(the 68k, in particular, is ~only~ sold by freescale, and at screamingly usgistic price) 1614634;1487263461;asciilifeform;http://www.freeavatars.50webs.org/3310-PCB-OPEN.jpg << oh hah, complete docz 1614635;1487263469;asciilifeform;for the original 1614636;1487263481;*;asciilifeform had no idea this existed 1614637;1487263587;asciilifeform;http://dual-alex.narod.ru/3310inside.html << machine-readable ver. 1614638;1487263594;phf;well it's like with fpgas. once you have complete documentation, it means there's no possible way to get the thing 1614639;1487263636;mircea_popescu;lel 1614640;1487263659;asciilifeform;phf: more or less. sorta like Officially Declassified usgolade. 1614641;1487263667;asciilifeform;certifiably ~useless. 1614642;1487263745;asciilifeform;(my first encounter with this, was many years, as a boy, i went on a tour of the u.s. mint, back when they gave tours, and they had a souvenir shop where you could buy shredded benjies by the kilogram) 1614643;1487263850;mircea_popescu;i thought there's a service where you send them your mangled/burned/whatever bills and they credit it to your account. 1614644;1487263860;asciilifeform;lolno, only for langley. 1614645;1487263935;asciilifeform;(at one point u.s. mint ~did~ have a service where you could order dollar coins via the post, paying with cc. it led to a mass chumping of cc banks that offered 'x% back!', until the hole was plugged.) 1614646;1487264026;phf;pretty sure every "hacker's top toolz" cd from gorbushka had an nfo file describing this hack 1614647;1487264045;asciilifeform;aaaha right next to 'blue box' schematic 1614648;1487264055;asciilifeform;Old Hax behave like fpga docs etc. 1614649;1487264081;asciilifeform;'here kid, have a harmless demil'd toy' 1614650;1487264378;phf;i suspect the cds predate the "here kid". they would also contain current issues of phrack. the thinking is probably "i'm going to pad it with every single thing i could find on my upstream BBS" 1614651;1487264407;asciilifeform;lulzily, i never held in my hands a physical cd with any of these 1614652;1487264447;asciilifeform;but can picture that in orclands with poor net pipe they might circulate on disks to this very day 1614653;1487264486;asciilifeform;and incidentally this may very well include usa in not too distant future, and these disks -- will come back 1614654;1487264495;phf;hehe, you left too early. those cds were like a boy's treasure trove box. you never knew what you're going to get, but every one of them promissed mystery ~and delivered!!!~ 1614655;1487264514;asciilifeform;( recall when i suggested to distribute trb+buildroot+gcc et al. on a cdrom. ) 1614656;1487264582;asciilifeform;aha i left when 'mystery disk' was a 5inch floppy that elder brother would bring home from chum's house. 1614657;1487264593;asciilifeform;Full Of Treasures. 1614658;1487264624;phf;so you missed out on "10000 best games!! (for DOS)" cds too 1614659;1487264683;asciilifeform;actually met these, but in usa. 1614660;1487264689;phf;you'd basically save your change and not buy a piece of pastry three of four times during lunch, so you could pick up one of those beautise 1614661;1487264689;asciilifeform;'shovelware bin' in comp shop. 1614662;1487264809;phf;nah, full blown games, not shovelware. typically rar'ed and gotten through the most brutal of scene strips, so no cutscenes, no cd audio tracks, typically pre-cracked 1614663;1487264825;asciilifeform;aah the cd equiv. of those white vhs tapes. 1614664;1487264833;asciilifeform;no, i did not live to see this in person. 1614665;1487264869;asciilifeform;though i did play these same rips from warez leeched via 9600baud modem. 1614666;1487264881;asciilifeform;for years had no idea that such a thing as voice tracks ever existed in, e.g., the sierra games. 1614667;1487264892;phf;haha, same 1614668;1487264947;phf;which also meant that some guys were forever unobtanium. like phatansmagoria, i saw it at a "legit" computer store once, but didn't get to play until i could lift it off tpb years later 1614669;1487264952;phf;*some games 1614670;1487265004;asciilifeform;i still wonder re the lost world of mac warez. were there significant gamez? 1614671;1487265021;asciilifeform;for the 68k, or ppc macs. 1614672;1487265043;asciilifeform;these were ~nonexistent on warez, and i never had the machine. so it was complete mystery. 1614673;1487265057;phf;i think there was this famous doom-like, that came out before doom, but otherwise it seems like all were either ports from dos, or else ported to dos 1614674;1487265079;asciilifeform;suspected so. 1614675;1487265114;phf;i briefly had an account on a mac warez server, that you could only connect to using a mac os 9 exclusive tool (in 2010!) 1614676;1487265151;phf;but it was all mostly "creative professional" tools. audio, dylan/lisp stuff, hypercard 1614677;1487265222;phf;i've been trying to track down whole earths catalog hypercard for a while, but so far unsuccesfully. haven't tried hard enough though 1614678;1487265264;phf;hmm, battery about to expire. afk 1614679;1487265284;asciilifeform;when i was writing http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 , it took me surprising amount of sweat to track down a working copy of hypercard 1614680;1487265311;asciilifeform;it was, evidently, one of those 'everyone who wants, already has' affairs. 1614681;1487267481;mircea_popescu;and in today's better living through perversion : 1614682;1487267499;mircea_popescu;toast almonds. straight out of the oven, nice and HOT put them in old style glass, pour cognac on top. 1614683;1487267504;mircea_popescu;bout 2-3 per shot. 1614684;1487267646;mircea_popescu;phf no cutscenes and no cd audio tracks was the standard for my gaming experience. tbh i liked it. 1614685;1487267659;asciilifeform;^ 1614686;1487267677;mircea_popescu;i also prefer older formats for movies. was only last week screaming at girl, "stop getting movies over 650mb. it is enough." 1614687;1487267678;asciilifeform;many years later i saw the uncut versions and meh 1614688;1487267697;mircea_popescu;fucking 7gb monstrosities they do nowadays. like i really have to see the unwatchable crap in high definition. 1614689;1487267709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeat they don't quite live to expectation huh. 1614690;1487267726;mircea_popescu;i for first time saw mm7 cutscenes recently. they're pretty idiotic. 1614691;1487267749;mircea_popescu;then again, diablo 2 notably got to keep its cutscenes. so i think it was very much an aesthetic decision. 1614692;1487267780;asciilifeform;as for the 7gb films, they are not entirely an abuse, 650MB warez gives compression artifacts the size of a palm when watched on projector screen. the fact that nobody's made a film worth watching in ages, is separate issue. 1614693;1487267791;mircea_popescu;well ? 1614694;1487267824;mircea_popescu;yes i'll get archival copy of stuff i like. amusingly, 99% of which doesn't exist in better resolution anyway. wtf am i going to do with an archival copy of cat on the hot tin roof, watch the original artefacts in preference of the modern ones ? 1614695;1487267844;asciilifeform;once in a while a high-res scan turns up. 1614696;1487267887;mircea_popescu;but of what. i had "high res" scan of andalou dog in my hands, the real mccoy. 99% compressed it looked exactly the same the original's just that bad. 1614697;1487267910;mircea_popescu;~nobody knows because hey, "trade secret", but the shape of the old celuloid vaults is beyond sad. 1614698;1487267929;asciilifeform;actually this is well-known 1614699;1487267936;mircea_popescu;thousands of films pre technicolor are alread yloist ; the few remaining kinda going that way. 1614700;1487267944;asciilifeform;they are being deliberately rotted, to delete competition for modern shitfilm 1614701;1487267952;asciilifeform;and erase cultural memory in the general case. 1614702;1487267954;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes it's well known by people in the know. nobody else, becauyse hey, nytimes has a lifestyle section. 1614703;1487268001;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect you're right. of course, a nation that deliberately destroys the memory of competence in the hopes of making life more comfortable for itself merely succeeds in making death that much closer. but that's another tale. 1614704;1487268587;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be surprised if it came out that the old celluloids were properly burned. 1614705;1487268638;mircea_popescu;hundreds were in fact. 1614706;1487268653;mircea_popescu;multiple incidents, including a large and quite deliberate bonfire. 1614707;1487268719;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, apparently bitpay will not show you the bitcoin address unless you provide them with an email address. 1614708;1487268726;mircea_popescu;teh furhrer is getting impatient eh. 1614709;1487268733;asciilifeform;lel bitpay still exists?! 1614710;1487268749;mircea_popescu;retard-to-bitcoin interfaces aren't going away. 1614711;1487268777;mircea_popescu;i recall they cut staff at some point. haven't pulled the plug yet evidently. 1614712;1487268789;mircea_popescu;i guess one box, one man and his red stapler in an office building basement somewhere do yet survive. 1614713;1487268829;asciilifeform;probably will survive indefinitely the way pawn shops survived in many countries -- as honeypot 1614714;1487268867;mircea_popescu;prolly. hence the email lulz. 1614715;1487268885;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least it drives adoption for ben_vulpes 's thing 1614716;1487268895;mircea_popescu;(still found at m.bvulpes.com btw) 1614717;1487270106;asciilifeform;btw i'm not certain if the old films are being burned for commercial reasons, or very specific cultural cleansing: you can see the faces of now-extinct types of civilization-builders, their works, in old film, in a way that is not so accessible (at least to the simple folx) from viewing static photo 1614718;1487270138;mircea_popescu;well it's usually a mix of stupids. 1614719;1487270169;asciilifeform;it is quite plain however that the lizards do not wish it to be remembered that other types of people than the current bonsaikittens, once existed. 1614720;1487270195;asciilifeform;where was that mircea_popescu article! the one with the ww1 soldier 1614721;1487270200;asciilifeform;'say hello to mr. adultmale' 1614722;1487270221;mircea_popescu;!~google site:trilema.com adult male nightmare 1614723;1487270223;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: No matches found. 1614724;1487270229;mircea_popescu;yeah very useful you are. 1614725;1487270238;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist << apparently here 1614726;1487270264;mircea_popescu;aha 1614727;1487270394;asciilifeform;a good chunk of copyrasty, while we're at it, is ~not~ about getting users to pay 1614728;1487270401;asciilifeform;but specifically about annihilating old material 1614729;1487270416;asciilifeform;you cannot, for instance, buy license for mac os 9, from crapple 1614730;1487270423;asciilifeform;or winxp from microshit 1614731;1487270428;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1614732;1487270450;mircea_popescu;or of liz taylor's cunt pics. 1614733;1487270454;asciilifeform;( though occasional surprise -- you CAN buy, e.g., vms! ) 1614734;1487270577;asciilifeform;http://www.openvmshobbyist.com << believe or not. 1614735;1487271214;Reuel;Hey guys, how come deedbot spits out article urls every know and then? Is it like an ownership registration? 1614736;1487271362;mircea_popescu;like where ? 1614737;1487271389;mircea_popescu;it follows v arious rss feeds, like trilema's, qntra's, phuctor's etc 1614738;1487271394;mircea_popescu;so when there's new items it reports them 1614739;1487271731;Reuel;ah right 1614740;1487279530;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1614741;1487279536;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1035.78, vol: 5494.42935491 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1018.0, vol: 6354.90135 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1039.5, vol: 10655.73451667 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 983.243444, vol: 4900.12350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1039.79, vol: 1835.91811653 | Volume-weighted last average: 1024.71939288 1614742;1487280557;ben_vulpes;https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20170216.txt 1614743;1487280649;BingoBoingo;ty ben_vulpes, Happy birthday to me! 1614744;1487280661;ben_vulpes;happy birthday, BingoBoingo 1614745;1487280685;BingoBoingo;wishes unnecessary with presents like that link 1614746;1487280753;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/coindesk-bitcoin-price-malaise-as-us-dollar-continues-to-trade-under-0-001-btc/ << Qntra - Coindesk: Bitcoin Price Malaise! (As US Dollar Continues To Trade Under 0.001 BTC) 1614747;1487281016;ben_vulpes;and a hispanic for labor secretary! so racist! 1614748;1487281164;BingoBoingo;4real! 1614749;1487281733;mod6;hbd bb 1614750;1487283161;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: have a bday gift: https://archive.is/Us9yS 1614751;1487283288;asciilifeform;https://russian.rt.com/world/news/359770-pranker-vovan-makkein << details of the hoax (victims have not, afaik, yet denied that they were owned) 1614752;1487286020;*;shinohai raises a glass of hot tea in BingoBoingo's honor 1614753;1487286080;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, check out blockchain.info failing to get its txn included now : http://archive.is/N7xxz 1614754;1487286130;mircea_popescu;re bitpay earlier. and generally speaking, expecting the y-shitonator bitcoin "infrastructure" simply going away by the end of the year isn't exactly misplaced. 1614755;1487286291;mircea_popescu;(depending how capable one is re bitcoin network, you might be able to see they tried to relay it starting ~26 hours ago, but plenty of places didn't even hear about it until ~6 hours ago). 1614756;1487286649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think the content of the rt link may have happened in angloverse. 1614757;1487287239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, it's a 100% solid wall of unhappen. 1614758;1487287263;asciilifeform;0 denials, 0 mentions at all. 1614759;1487287264;asciilifeform;anywhere. 1614760;1487287320;mircea_popescu;aha. so translate and publish. 1614761;1487287415;asciilifeform;https://www.rt.com/viral/377259-limpopo-elections-hacking-prank/ << rt seems to have the 1st round translated 1614762;1487287427;asciilifeform;^ with audio 1614763;1487287511;mircea_popescu;heh 1614764;1487287710;asciilifeform;for the 'property rights in usa' and 'goldbuggery' files, https://archive.is/aK1aC >> 'COLUMBUS, Ohio - A federal judge is giving a former deep-sea treasure hunter another chance to reveal information about the location of 500 missing gold coins.' 1614765;1487287721;asciilifeform;'... Marbley has held Thompson in contempt of court since December 2015 for violating terms of a plea deal by refusing to respond to questions about the coins' locations.' 1614766;1487287731;mircea_popescu;lmao 1614767;1487287774;mircea_popescu;check it out, judge "giving chance" ? what is this, a romantic comedy ? dork with no tits and no clue "giving another chance" for someone to be her meal ticket ? 1614768;1487287781;asciilifeform;aha, gotta love the phrasing 1614769;1487287785;mircea_popescu;stop watching daytime tv, america. 1614770;1487287796;asciilifeform;'wrecker given another chance to confess' 1614771;1487287817;mircea_popescu;15yo marches downstairs, "i am giving you another chance to buy me a car" 1614772;1487287832;mircea_popescu;bitch, if and when i feel like buying you a new pair of sneakers i know where the shop is and where i keep my money. 1614773;1487287835;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-31#817461 << see also. 1614774;1487287835;a111;Logged on 2014-08-31 18:52 asciilifeform: so, formula is: 'don't own. if you own, don't admit it. if you admit it, don't write about it. if you own and admit and write, don't sign your name. if you own, admit, write, and sign name, don't be surprised.' (apologies to rev. t. reese.) 1614775;1487287915;asciilifeform;i can already picture the d00d throwing a cryptogram into the crowd at his hanging, like capt. kidd. 1614776;1487287951;asciilifeform;but usg dun do hangings; it does 'coke machine'. 1614777;1487287995;mircea_popescu;female state. it expects its victims to want to get shit done, and hence they came up with that. 1614778;1487288030;mircea_popescu;repackaging of the ancient socialistoid idiocy, "oh, creative people just can't keep themselves from creating shit we can all eat" ; except it's "men can't sit put" now. whatevs. 1614779;1487288041;asciilifeform;i wonder if he is sitting in same jail as the encrypted hdd d00d 1614780;1487288047;asciilifeform;(how many of them now. dozen?) 1614781;1487288057;mircea_popescu;"the" ? lmao there's thousands of these. 1614782;1487288111;asciilifeform;if you actually have a list of the thousands, might be interesting to publish? 1614783;1487288121;asciilifeform;or is it simply fermi estimate. 1614784;1487288137;mircea_popescu;i don't, specifically, but you run into them with some regularity when spelunking in court "records". 1614785;1487288160;mircea_popescu;way way too common an occurence for there to be that few. shit's more common than murder, definitely. 1614786;1487288161;asciilifeform;long-term 'captain kidds', as i currently understand, are rare. 1614787;1487288166;asciilifeform;but have genuinely nfi. 1614788;1487288188;mircea_popescu;i've not been reviewing prison records. but if you do - guaranteed steady supply of wtf. 1614789;1487288207;mircea_popescu;for instace : more than half of the people doing time at any specific moment are NOT actually convicted of anything. 1614790;1487288229;mircea_popescu;merely waiting for court system to get its shit together. average wait time well over 18 months. 1614791;1487288238;asciilifeform;also unlike sov world, time sat in 'jail' (i.e. pre-sentencing, vs 'prison') does not automagically subtract from the sentence, if sentenced. 1614792;1487288240;asciilifeform;in usa. 1614793;1487288242;mircea_popescu;and yet they STILL sign the fucking plea bargains, like the idiots that they obviously are. 1614794;1487288303;mircea_popescu;i have nfi tbh. 1614795;1487288310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if they all demanded to be tried, queue time would average to multiple years, like in ru 1614796;1487288326;mircea_popescu;lol multiple years. multiple centuries, like in austrian empire. 1614797;1487288328;asciilifeform;(iirc it was ~2y in late '90s) 1614798;1487288344;mircea_popescu;afaik da who doesn't get plea bargains > 95% is fired. 1614799;1487288365;mircea_popescu;which is the fucking point. ONE non plea-bargain item ruins his month. do that. 1614800;1487288401;asciilifeform;there was room enough for, e.g., ulbricht, to be sentenced for life 1614801;1487288437;mircea_popescu;that dude's too stupid to live independently anyway. 1614802;1487288740;hanbot;asciilifeform> hanbot: first apply the basic litmus: does the thing eat rpc commands while blackholed ? yepper, eats. no malleus. meanwhile has caught up without restart, and meanwhile also noticed my addnode medley's outdated. 1614803;1487288780;asciilifeform;hanbot: (and everyone else reporting a suboptimally-behaving trb node) -- plz consider stating the vpatch-set 1614804;1487288794;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform for the linkpresent, and others for the wishes 1614805;1487288799;asciilifeform;(no malleus; but which 'yes'es?) 1614806;1487288839;asciilifeform;different patch sets will give trb with DEEPLY differing behaviours. 1614807;1487288861;BingoBoingo;Also ty President Trump for the lulzy press conference 1614808;1487288956;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: summarizing lulz? 1614809;1487288977;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Trying, may just plop transcript in a block quote 1614810;1487289003;*;BingoBoingo binging on cake today. I am powerless over cake and my lyfe is still pretty manageable. 1614811;1487289012;ben_vulpes;caek! 1614812;1487289042;ben_vulpes;$girl has been probing for the caek i will eat. so far, not much success. 1614813;1487289058;asciilifeform;'As part of intelligence operations being conducted against the United States for the last seven months, at least one Western European ally intercepted a series of communications before the inauguration between advisers associated with President Donald Trump and Russian government officials, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation. ... Moreover, a Baltic nation is gathering intelligence on officials in the Trump Wh 1614814;1487289059;asciilifeform;ite House and executives with the president’s company, the Trump Organization, out of concern that an American policy shift toward Russia could endanger its sovereignty, according to a third person with direct ties to that nation’s government.' (from lulzweek) 1614815;1487289095;ben_vulpes;gathering intelligence! 1614816;1487289100;ben_vulpes;why, this is unheard of. 1614817;1487289114;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/xIZk7 ) 1614818;1487289159;ben_vulpes;and moreover if anyone had heard of usg.intel doing it as well, that's a) fake news b) old news and c) standard diplomatic behavior...for us 1614819;1487289439;asciilifeform;mighty lulzy to describe baltic bantustans as having 'sovereignty' for someone to 'endanger'.. 1614820;1487289514;BingoBoingo;lol, like fence can be sovereign 1614821;1487289525;BingoBoingo;In other truth-indeterminate news http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/02/16/third-arrest-made-planned-arrest-attack-deploraball/ 1614822;1487289660;trinque;why is the thumbnail for the video comet pizza? 1614823;1487289704;trinque;ah found where it's mentioned 1614824;1487289769;trinque;speaking of cheese pizza, there's a video floating around that looks like somebody torturing a kid in a shower 1614825;1487289777;trinque;maybe a dog in there chewing on him or something 1614826;1487289848;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why not ? 1614827;1487289856;trinque;anybody wants to actually http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614425 leaking the full video without obstructions would be a great start 1614828;1487289856;a111;Logged on 2017-02-16 04:19 asciilifeform: trinque: the correct response would be top 500 of cia org chart found hanging on meat hooks. and afaik no report of this. 1614829;1487289882;asciilifeform;trinque: leaking which video 1614830;1487289921;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i can't even figure that out for myself. 90% of the time i think "mmm, chocolate. tasty i guess but i kinda want some more challah or whatever else i baked most recently covered in bread" 1614831;1487289925;trinque;lemme see if I can find a link 1614832;1487289933;mircea_popescu;hm. 1614833;1487290038;hanbot;ben_vulpes you'd prolly like cozonac 1614834;1487290074;mircea_popescu;a that's an idea. 1614835;1487290090;ben_vulpes;looks tasty 1614836;1487290132;BingoBoingo;just make a chocolate aerogel FOGBANK style 1614837;1487290143;mircea_popescu;lol chocolate aerogel, not bad 1614838;1487290146;trinque;asciilifeform: http://archive.is/5nfBP 1614839;1487290245;mircea_popescu;in other make daytime tv great again, fox now so far ahead #1 tv station it pussygrabs. 1614840;1487290252;asciilifeform;trinque: what's the context for this find ? 1614841;1487290262;asciilifeform;could be generic crapolade for all anyone knows. 1614842;1487290489;hanbot;asciilifeform good point re patchlist. apparently also helps with reading, yes it's got malleus. http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cBUoE/?raw=true 1614843;1487290517;mircea_popescu;aha! 1614844;1487290546;trinque;asciilifeform: somebody dumped it to 4chan; who knows authenticity 1614845;1487290564;trinque;could just as well be clips from rando fbi file 1614846;1487290579;asciilifeform;hanbot: fwiw all of my nodes operate with malleus. since the day i wrote it. 1614847;1487290585;mircea_popescu;i confess i don't follow the idea trinque 1614848;1487290620;asciilifeform;hanbot: i see ~0 reason to waste bandwidth on talking to prb. 1614849;1487290654;mircea_popescu;the network is degrading, alfie. 1614850;1487290658;trinque;we were having a thread the other day about what would get the central US to start shooting people 1614851;1487290671;mircea_popescu;so you figure shower shenanigans ? 1614852;1487290684;trinque;the fatherhood video clearly shows a two-pane glass shower 1614853;1487290690;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: network degrading is 100% a 'if not you, then who' affair. run nodez. 1614854;1487290694;trinque;somebody short locked inside, maybe a dog to the right 1614855;1487290700;trinque;lots of hard-to-fake pain screaming 1614856;1487290711;trinque;and "CALL ME FATHER" being yelled by a boston accent 1614857;1487290720;mircea_popescu;this is complicated. 1614858;1487290726;trinque;alas blurry so means nothing 1614859;1487290750;trinque;also the value of faking something like this is obvoius 1614860;1487290754;trinque;*obvious 1614861;1487290780;mircea_popescu;consider volunteering @ battered women shelter. 1614862;1487290893;thestringpuller;hanbot: I think i'm having same issue. but i just started my node, and it's responding to rpc, but its not receiving blocks 1614863;1487290932;trinque;mircea_popescu: why's that? 1614864;1487290962;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: How is gardening down south? Start any vegetables yet? 1614865;1487291067;mircea_popescu;trinque to see a bunch of "central america" not giving the slightest shit about "call me father" stepfather violence towards the (literal) bastards, among other such items. 1614866;1487291082;mircea_popescu;nobody's shooting anybody because a guy killed the worms some other guy left behind. 1614867;1487291115;mircea_popescu;three cases out of five, mother won't even leave him over it. 1614868;1487291199;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: I'm working on beds. Although I have a mini-nursery with mainly spinach and other greens. 1614869;1487291246;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah, not so much that 1614870;1487291265;trinque;more a "and you are ruled by them" angle 1614871;1487291271;trinque;but I can see your point 1614872;1487291294;trinque;incidentally the US is iirc one state legislature majority from being able to call a republican constitutional convention 1614873;1487291375;mircea_popescu;just about 1614874;1487291383;mircea_popescu;though it';s not exactly clear what they'd do with it. 1614875;1487291766;BingoBoingo;Well, depending on how 2018 goes, could be STFU CIA 1614876;1487291781;mircea_popescu;you don't need a constitutional amendment for that. 1614877;1487291799;mircea_popescu;but honeslty, if you look at the basics such as budgets, it seems cia's history will end this trump term. 1614878;1487291806;BingoBoingo;Well, not to get rid of the now CIA, but yes to prevent a future CIA 1614879;1487292060;mircea_popescu;no, actually, the thing itself. closed, headquarters turned into museum. 1614880;1487292095;mircea_popescu;alf can go visit, touch the original resonant us seal the russians made. 1614881;1487292108;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that thing is at nsa museum 1614882;1487292112;asciilifeform;iirc 1614883;1487292116;mircea_popescu;ah ok then 1614884;1487292171;asciilifeform;and iirc some meathead dropped and broke the original, the display piece is copy. 1614885;1487292190;mircea_popescu;a really ? had nfi 1614886;1487295397;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4EC9F48FCFA5D95E5D11B35533A8186ACBB4B636052597E5EF43920000937812 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1476...1603 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.69.47.142 (ssh-rsa key from 200.69.47.142 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (la-juvenil.sion.com. AR E) 1614887;1487295397;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4EC9F48FCFA5D95E5D11B35533A8186ACBB4B636052597E5EF43920000937812 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1475...0099 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.69.47.142 (ssh-rsa key from 200.69.47.142 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (la-juvenil.sion.com. AR E) 1614888;1487295461;asciilifeform;^ http://www.lajuvenilpastas.com.ar << lel 1614889;1487295474;asciilifeform;' NOSOTROS HACEMOS LAS MEJORES PASTAS Vos las hacés únicas ' 1614890;1487295475;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1614891;1487297977;mircea_popescu;sounds about right. 1614892;1487297990;mircea_popescu;ftr, pasta here is strictly inedible. 1614893;1487302058;mthreat;mircea_popescu: try mauro.it in belgrano 1614894;1487302070;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1614895;1487302087;mthreat;pasta place that supposedly has good pasta. i haven't tried it myself 1614896;1487302093;mthreat;but recommended by some friends 1614897;1487302099;mircea_popescu;that's ok, i import. 1614898;1487302100;mthreat;who have eaten pasta outside argentina 1614899;1487302149;mircea_popescu;anyway, the idea is more, every few blocks has this "fresh homemade pasta!" "pasta factory!" "el palacio de la pasta!" bullshits and they're so shockingly bad i can't begin to imagine wtf they're thinking. 1614900;1487302191;mthreat;ya they seem to think their pizza is good too 1614901;1487302197;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1614902;1487302200;mircea_popescu;then again, usians also. 1614903;1487302225;mthreat;true.. i do like papa john's :) but I like gustapizza in Florence more 1614904;1487302229;mircea_popescu;fortunately, i don't have alf's problem. baking sane food is something that one woman can learn. 1614905;1487302243;mircea_popescu;bakind hardware, somewhat iffier. 1614906;1487302262;*;asciilifeform 100% sanefood powered 1614907;1487302449;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/juno/ << Trilema - Juno 1614908;1487303081;mircea_popescu;now if only could make cpu there too. 1614909;1487303473;mthreat;one michael cera movie I actually liked was Youth in Revolt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6_IVx6HjxY 1614910;1487303520;mircea_popescu;that kid has the archetypical "face that demands a punch" 1614911;1487303658;BingoBoingo;RIP Viewscreen 1614912;1487304789;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-president-trump-hosts-press-conference-and-reviews-action-packed-first-month/ << Qntra - US President Trump Hosts Press Conference And Reviews Action Packed First Month 1614913;1487304864;phf;h 1614914;1487304865;phf;[1] phf (+i) on #trilema (+cmnt) * 1614915;1487304867;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614694 << i watched a lot of "classics" in pirate quality, and i prefer it that way. notorious example is Alien, where between the original print and the pirate shit copy you could barely see anything, which made the experience more terrifying. 1614916;1487304867;a111;Logged on 2017-02-16 17:57 mircea_popescu: yes i'll get archival copy of stuff i like. amusingly, 99% of which doesn't exist in better resolution anyway. wtf am i going to do with an archival copy of cat on the hot tin roof, watch the original artefacts in preference of the modern ones ? 1614917;1487304943;phf;hmm, running ircII inside emacs's term is probably not the best idea. i don't know how those two artifacts came about.. 1614918;1487305011;BingoBoingo;Maybe you let yourself become powerless over computer and you loglines have threatened unmanageability? 1614919;1487305017;BingoBoingo;*your 1614920;1487305108;BingoBoingo;At least this is not "seek restoration to sanity" level problem 1614921;1487305195;phf;i think the solution is to give up. switch to windows 10, connect through web irc client, put gpg key into keybase, the works 1614922;1487305233;BingoBoingo;Nah, just apprentice as watchmaker and build calculating machine to IRC from 1614923;1487305291;asciilifeform;phf: iirc kakobrekla actually did this. 1614924;1487305301;asciilifeform;full throttle. 1614925;1487305373;asciilifeform;sorta like those folx in prison who decide to stop washing. and after that why bother to brush teeth, wipe arse, dress, etc. 1614926;1487305439;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: windows and all? this is in the heathen logs somewhere? 1614927;1487305451;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: maybe i dreamed it 1614928;1487305633;phf;re "apprentice as watchmaker" i picked up first edition of The Marine Chronometer by Gould. i would call it "delightful" 1614929;1487305708;phf;thoroughly researched, but at the same time written from first person with no pretense to authority. 1614930;1487305727;asciilifeform;phf: one of the things that always bothered me re chronometer is : why the fuck nobody tried chemical reaction for timekeeping 1614931;1487305732;asciilifeform;(in sealed ampoule, naturally) 1614932;1487305799;asciilifeform;the british tried all sorts of crackpottery, but afaik nothing of this sort. 1614933;1487305819;asciilifeform;(for stable temperature, naturally the ampoule is stowed up boatswain's arse) 1614934;1487305903;phf;sealed ampoule and stable temperature are the tricky parts, so have to be factored into the chemical reaction, but then your timeframes don't match. john harrison died in 1780, mendeleev was born in 1830 1614935;1487305968;asciilifeform;well consider, what reactions were known pre-harrison. 1614936;1487306053;asciilifeform;ordinary combustion, for instance. picture something like oil lamp inside clear vessel (closed air supply), very small flame. 1614937;1487306210;ben_vulpes;still suffers the hourglass reset problem, no? 1614938;1487306217;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not if large enough 1614939;1487306351;phf;lamp wick will burn, which in turn will affect burn rate. also pressure changes, from external temperature, from burn termperature, from oil burning up 1614940;1487306353;ben_vulpes;what'd one use for a wick that wouldn't need adjusting as it burned? 1614941;1487306393;ben_vulpes;phf: "these are just engineering problems, silly mortal" 1614942;1487306393;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: capillary. 1614943;1487306413;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: capillary wicks were a thing in the late seventeens?! 1614944;1487306459;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: bernoulli understood capillary effect... 1614945;1487306463;asciilifeform;but phf is probably right 1614946;1487306467;ben_vulpes;i only know what i've found in the wild, which is why i'm stuck on porous bronze 1614947;1487306486;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: pretty sure nobody made porous bronze till 1930s 1614948;1487306491;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yeah, capillary's going to get hit hard as the oil level drops 1614949;1487306500;asciilifeform;!#s oilite 1614950;1487306501;a111;2 results for "oilite", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=oilite 1614951;1487306515;ben_vulpes;myeah, that's pretty much exactly what i'm talking about. hence 'stuck', as not available at the time. 1614952;1487306630;phf;we should hit royal astronomy archives in greenwich, which is going to have exhaustive record of all the chronometer competition submissions 1614953;1487306668;ben_vulpes;btw, this ipv6 character who appeared to get k-lined earlier and just showed up and dropped again ('deepbook5broo') has been appearing in other freenode channels i habituate as well 1614954;1487306671;phf;given the number of whacky proposals, i suspect it could have a handful of chemical once, that failed the engineering part 1614955;1487306713;asciilifeform;wonder if growing fungus was tried. 1614956;1487306754;ben_vulpes;"royal society did it!" 1614957;1487306865;phf;i wonder how many submissions there are "aww, if only you knew this thing that got discovered 15 years after you died, your approach would've worked" 1614958;1487306968;phf;if only you knew that thing greeks knew, but your civilization won't rediscover for another 100 years 1614959;1487307021;asciilifeform;'whaddayamean you don't know how to work the strong force yet' 1614960;1487307270;phf;in unrelated lulz india has this strong propaganda going on for switching everyone to digital payments. i bought this party line magazine, that's supposed to explain how safe, fast, secure, easy world is going to become after there's no longer any cash 1614961;1487307302;phf;"the advantages of digital money over fiat money" 1614962;1487307327;asciilifeform;догоним и перегоним америку 1614963;1487307375;phf;there's a chapter on how switzerland is 99% cashless, and how that should be a goal in india 1614964;1487307471;phf;next page lists about a dozen of different incompatible solutions ranging from an indian equivalent of viza network to a dozen or so bank specifics "apps" that are all competing for #1 payment solution slot 1614965;1487307599;phf;atms have 10000rs (150$) limit for foreign withdrawals 1614966;1487307759;phf;meanwhile, elsewhere, you can get better forex rate for $100 bills, rather than $20 bills, which basically puts status quo on par with russia in '93 1614967;1487307760;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/16/unwinding-overzealous-invocations-of-tikkun-olam-with-613-mitzvot/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Unwinding overzealous invocations of tikkun olam with 613 mitzvot. 1614968;1487308014;ben_vulpes;phf: and argentina ca 2015 1614969;1487308040;phf;in fact ~best~ rate i could find anywhere in the 40km radius came with a plea of "i'll give you even better rate, bra, if you can bring me some more of them $100 bills" 1614970;1487308254;phf;ben_vulpes: right, i'm grokking where mp was coming from with "to real man, bring cash to ag, start a forex" 1614971;1487308300;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C7B95520ADC55E78642BCADC01CBFDA1CD77E1426BEB7D410D4AE379BFC491A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...6589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.190.163.79 (ssh-rsa key from 194.190.163.79 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (misitep2.ihep.su. RU) 1614972;1487308300;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C7B95520ADC55E78642BCADC01CBFDA1CD77E1426BEB7D410D4AE379BFC491A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1641...4569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.190.163.79 (ssh-rsa key from 194.190.163.79 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (misitep2.ihep.su. RU) 1614973;1487308323;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the washing thing is a serious problem. turns out that if no women around, people stop seeing the point. 1614974;1487308665;mthreat;people who don't shower in jail/prison are called 'vikings', or another name in Spanish which I forget. There is peer pressure to not stink in there. 1614975;1487308722;mircea_popescu;somewhat, yeah. 1614976;1487308801;mircea_popescu;depends a lot on how common it is, though. 1614977;1487308861;asciilifeform;woah first su blood 1614978;1487308872;mircea_popescu;phf i have no confidence in "chemical cronometer" crackpot alfism. notice that there has never existed such a thing as a chemical clock, not even today. it is, i daresay, the earliest application of "quantum computer", this. 1614979;1487308882;mircea_popescu;no clockworks this way. 1614980;1487308887;asciilifeform;http://ihep.su << inst. of high energy physics, moscow 1614981;1487308911;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: candle clock, ancient 1614982;1487308944;mircea_popescu;candles are not ancient. 1614983;1487308972;asciilifeform;point 1614984;1487308990;asciilifeform;'Созданный в 1963 году Государственным комитетом по использованию атомной энергии СССР для проведения исследований фундаментальных свойств материи и законов микромира, ИФВЭ прочно занимает лидирующие позиции в отечественной и мировой нау 1614985;1487308991;mircea_popescu;anyway. rate of melting, hardly chemical. 1614986;1487309075;mircea_popescu;phf hopefully indian "state" fails within the next few years. 1614987;1487309102;mircea_popescu;it was a ridiculous piece of british nonsense about on par with their middle eastern constructions. has no place in sanity. 1614988;1487309162;phf;it's the original "helping africa" 1614989;1487309167;mircea_popescu;quite. 1614990;1487309184;mircea_popescu;and unlike the us, which they "helped" into their present predicament, india has no fat to burn. 1614991;1487309201;mircea_popescu;it'll be truly sad when all the indian hipsters discover the hard facts through harder knocks. 1614992;1487309221;mircea_popescu;mostly because there's, in spite of all the noise and burbling, just a smattering of ustards. there's about 100x more of them in uttar pradesh alone. 1614993;1487309241;mircea_popescu;a pile of ten corpses is not the same thing as a pile of eight hundred. 1614994;1487309436;phf;well, it'll be easier for them to hard knock, because hipsters will just go back to farming/fishing because ~father and mother~ did 1614995;1487309443;mircea_popescu;that's what you think. 1614996;1487309471;phf;i'm in the south, they have many choice words here for uttar pradesh here, when you get them drunk 1614997;1487309497;mircea_popescu;tell you what, ben_vulpes 's girl, or for that matter lucy (in disgrace) has no problem doing barefoot-in-mud thing because once+ removed from the grandmothers. 1614998;1487309512;mircea_popescu;the daughter of the woman who gave birth in a ditch isn't gonna. with her life. it skips a generation. 1614999;1487309527;ben_vulpes;so in light of the triviality with which the TRB node to which mimisbrunnr talks is taken out by even moderately determined actors, i'm considering taking the whole thing down until i have a more robust data collector system in place. 1615000;1487309583;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, anyone read that splendid piece, late austrian, i think might've been kafka actually, in which a woman fucked in the bushes complains, to no one in particular, that there she is, still taking it with the dust ? 1615001;1487309612;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didja try the scheme where your node only talks to trb nodes ? 1615002;1487309626;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes gotta distribute. there's just no other way. i kinda hinted at it back when, but didn't want to be telling you how to do your shit. anyway : make a half dozen nodes, not one. 1615003;1487309627;phf;i see that skip generation here, boys want to transcend fathers, move to Dubai for riches, and if they manage to return (because the contract negotiator was a nice person), switch to plan B. get some nodic lady to take them to the promissed land. 1615004;1487309654;mircea_popescu;phf that's btw muslim influence. this is currently the ~only alternative to "blow shit up", the white cow. 1615005;1487309655;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: now that you mention it 1615006;1487309670;mircea_popescu;i lived for months among a group of monkeys who considered me ~divine, because well, chet was there with me. 1615007;1487309682;phf;yeap 1615008;1487309695;mircea_popescu;they just couldn't comprehend relationship matching their filter but not matching their expectation. how could it!!11 1615009;1487309799;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: pretty sure i'm running with malleus 1615010;1487309805;ben_vulpes;leastaways that node 1615011;1487309814;mircea_popescu;(the divine part came from, not that she was subservient but that we had no substantial disagreements, which to them was precisely the same thing ; and didn't match their observations among the "truly successful" dudes of the locality (there's a bunch of people who got a fat old bitty from londonderry to move over, funnel some bezzle and build a house-foreigners-and-boat thingee). ) 1615012;1487309847;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that isn't equivalent! 1615013;1487309858;mircea_popescu;^ 1615014;1487309929;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: malleus has 0 relation to the item suggested. 1615015;1487309958;asciilifeform;what you want is a box that ~only~ talks to a handful of trb nodes. that you operate. 1615016;1487309969;asciilifeform;~these~ talk to outside world. 1615017;1487309980;mircea_popescu;nd boxes here is not vps., 1615018;1487310005;asciilifeform;honest boxes. 1615019;1487310053;phf;there's one boy on the beach, he affected caribbean accent (!!) and just fully committed to the whole kingston bad boy shtick. "ja man", king tubby reggae, the works. they had a going away party for him, because he scored the jack pot. married a homely english girl, who's bringing him back to u.k. 1615020;1487310069;mircea_popescu;heh. 1615021;1487310085;mircea_popescu;i give it even odds he's going to twink for pay before the five year plan is out. 1615022;1487310126;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ah, my mistake. 1615023;1487310306;phf;right, my yoga teacher friend, who's been "friendly" with all the local boys had enough experience in the matter to "hell fucking no am i ever" as far as marrying an indian. they ~expect~ their women to be meak, but they don't have any way of enforcing it, so the dynamic goes straight into bitchy couple mode as soon as there's any hint of "couple" 1615024;1487310344;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602140 << design i baked (lordship circular) for review: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LAjrq/?raw=true 1615025;1487310344;a111;Logged on 2017-01-13 02:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602003 << we do not, afaik, presently have a knob in trb that would enable the 'at you' part of this. 1615026;1487310367;ben_vulpes;no rush, i'm going to walk out to 'breakcore mashups' night here in a few minutes anyways. 1615027;1487310398;mircea_popescu;enforce schmenforce, for that matter. i do plenty of enforcing in the sense of training, either because girl "doesn't see" why she should x or didn't put enough blood and tears into it. but i've yet to you know, enforce her being meek. that comes fucking naturally, for one thing, and for the other, really, what sane people have to yell at each other ? i've never seen this. 1615028;1487310529;mircea_popescu;oh speaking of this, anyone saw city island ? delightful little mistaken identity item very much in the proper commedia dell'arte tradition. with andy garcia though, so myeah. 1615029;1487310531;phf;well, i had drink with a group of protestan priests, that, once sloshed, were ranting about the "unfairness": priests study for 8 years, doctors study for 8 years, why don't both have same salaries? "what we need is a bloody revolution" (what like with guns? -- "... no. you mean, like bloody revolution"). what sort of "training" or "sanity" 1615030;1487310561;mircea_popescu;didn't you tell them seeing eye dogs also train for years ? 1615031;1487310571;*;ben_vulpes bbl 1615032;1487310574;phf;lol 1615033;1487310585;mircea_popescu;well ? and it's DOG YEARS 1615034;1487310585;phf;oh, man, "stairwell wit" as the frenchmen say 1615035;1487310586;asciilifeform;farm elephant, for moar yearz even 1615036;1487310618;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only thing that was always abundant throughout the years was years. 1615037;1487310685;asciilifeform;in other recent lulz, http://www.weeklystandard.com/decius-unmasked/article/2006623 <<< >>> http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election 1615038;1487310785;mircea_popescu;da fuck is "the american idea". i'd very much like to hear this, even as a draft form. 1615039;1487311186;mircea_popescu;and this weeklystandard crap is unreadable. 1615040;1487311213;mircea_popescu;they really gotta stop passing highschooler essays on a generalized regexp criterion. that's not how writing works. 1615041;1487311324;phf;it is good to be outside DC for these exciting times 1615042;1487311328;*;phf salutes asciilifeform 1615043;1487311654;mircea_popescu;phf you gotta start a blog, you know. 1615044;1487311679;mircea_popescu;take all the hotties out, get them drunk and smiling at the camera and there's your first article. 1615045;1487311908;phf;only so much ranting i can do in logs.. 1615046;1487311932;mircea_popescu;it's good to have. formative. 1615047;1487311939;mircea_popescu;in the logs you hide behind the statues. 1615048;1487312171;phf;i can see that, i was enjoying the status quo though. blog is the necessary next step 1615049;1487312376;mircea_popescu;kinda. 1615050;1487314411;mircea_popescu;!!up larryth 1615051;1487314411;deedbot;larryth voiced for 30 minutes. 1615052;1487318098;ben_vulpes;Reuel: please to stop with the join/part spam 1615053;1487339359;BingoBoingo;lol, that fakenews weekly standard correction, from "made sentence" to "was employed in sentence making factory" 1615054;1487339490;BingoBoingo;How the newspaper of Bush II whitehouse has fallen. 1615055;1487340560;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oETeE/?raw=true <<< take 2 1615056;1487340560;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1615057;1487341260;thestringpuller;Happy belated b-day mr. BingoBoingo 1615058;1487341339;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614373 << I can't get my node to "stay current". dunno if it's refusing to receive blocks, or just doesn't know to ask for them 1615059;1487341339;a111;Logged on 2017-02-16 02:49 hanbot: what's the proper name to ascribe to this super fun phenomenon wherein trb node happily catches up on blocks until 99.x% and then drops connections and stops seeing new blocks after <10mins? 1615060;1487341467;shinohai;weird thing is I see mimi ahead of blockchain.info lots of times 1615061;1487341601;thestringpuller;i've tried using -connect and -addnode 1615062;1487341607;thestringpuller;after it gets current it stops listening for blocks 1615063;1487341625;thestringpuller;i just get bunch of tx's into the mempool 1615064;1487346140;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/the-bible-markup-project/ << Daniel P. Barron - The Bible Markup Project 1615065;1487347160;asciilifeform;meanwhile, the dept. of newyorkdeathrayplots continues to delight, https://archive.is/3thme 1615066;1487347213;asciilifeform;'A Florida man has been charged in connection with a plot to bomb Target stores along the East Coast, with hopes that such an attack would force the retailer's stock to plunge and allow him to cheaply buy its stock, federal investigators announced Thursday. ... Barnett offered an unnamed individual -- referred to as a "confidential source" (CS) in the documents -- $10,000 to plant bombs in stores in several states, according to the a 1615067;1487347213;asciilifeform;ffidavit ...' 1615068;1487347405;mod6;mornin' 1615069;1487347438;asciilifeform;hey mod6 1615070;1487347893;mod6;how goes? 1615071;1487348062;asciilifeform;was reading ben_vulpes's thing 1615072;1487348128;mod6;ah, right on 1615073;1487349952;mircea_popescu;cheap bombing campaign huh 1615074;1487350028;asciilifeform;the 'bombs' apparently consisted of toy fireworks. 1615075;1487350058;asciilifeform;and, bonus, 'According to ABC affiliate WFTV in Orlando, Barrett was already on probation and wearing a court-ordered GPS monitor for a number of felony offenses, including kidnapping, multiple counts of sexual battery with a weapon or force and grand theft.' 1615076;1487350070;mircea_popescu;... 1615077;1487350073;asciilifeform;d00d was probably one of those mentally feeble folx who will confess to a list of anythings. 1615078;1487350109;mircea_popescu;pretty good list. 1615079;1487350285;mircea_popescu;no rape though. seems equally probable dood's one of those gynonormative folk the gynostate can't stomach. probably told some fat waitress to move her ass while brandishing a fork, aka sexual battery with a weapon or force. 1615080;1487350364;mircea_popescu;i suppose it should be gynenormative and gynestate huh. obnoxious greek vowels. 1615081;1487358805;trinque;danielpbarron: curious where you're getting the corrections to your transcription of the bible 1615082;1487358870;danielpbarron;it's nkjv with footnotes where kjv differs; also sometimes the nkjv has footnotes of its own about where certain texts differ 1615083;1487358882;trinque;ah ok 1615084;1487358908;trinque;iirc there's this "esword" program which might be balls of html inside 1615085;1487358914;danielpbarron;where possible i'll use Darwin Fish's translation; i think he did the first few books of moses 1615086;1487358918;trinque;it has been a very long time since I looked into such a thing 1615087;1487358920;trinque;might help 1615088;1487359640;Framedragger;such dedication to the cause danielpbarron, i'm curious if you ever considered learning greek (new testament) and possibly hebrew/aramaic (old testament), to read scriptures etc. 1615089;1487359846;danielpbarron;that would be nice, and that's part of the reason i like darwin; he did learn to read those things for exactly that reason 1615090;1487360849;mircea_popescu;such learning is a lifetime activity. 1615091;1487360901;ben_vulpes;i can't tell if hebrew/aramaic felt easy because i was young when i learned it or if it actually is a fairly sensible character set 1615092;1487360932;mircea_popescu;character set ? 1615093;1487360944;ben_vulpes;the written form, i mean 1615094;1487360983;ben_vulpes;i am not a linguist, do not have the tongue to speak of tongues 1615095;1487360984;trinque;danielpbarron: ah you know what, no, they were sqlite databases inside 1615096;1487360998;trinque;so might be able to take one of those and script the generation of html 1615097;1487361056;mircea_popescu;"so the biblical scholars mis-translated the hebrew word for young woman into the greek word for virgin. an easy mistake to make, since there's only a subtle difference in spelling. but it was the virgin that caught people's attention. it's not every day that a virgin conceives and bears a son. so you keep that for a couple hundred years, and the next thing you know, you have the holy catholic church." 1615098;1487361129;ben_vulpes;not tlp: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4uUJanXUAcIUzt.jpg 1615099;1487361334;mircea_popescu;kinda cool, i guess. 1615100;1487361338;mircea_popescu;can i get it on a tea cozy ? 1615101;1487361539;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/1dspI << missing: any quotations from the letters to shareholders 1615102;1487361571;ben_vulpes;so does not even the wsj do anything but contract for think pieces without any research by people who know nothing about the topic but that which they can find on google finance? 1615103;1487361602;ben_vulpes;oh it's from blogs.*.com 1615104;1487361625;mircea_popescu;whorington post. they're a mfa, like myspace. 1615105;1487361637;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: saving up to buy a share of buffettronium ? 1615106;1487361641;ben_vulpes;wall street urinal 1615107;1487361654;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: now why would i do that? 1615108;1487361662;asciilifeform;dunno, why would you read about doing it 1615109;1487361701;ben_vulpes;for the joy of seeing the wsj write about something without citing any relevant papers! 1615110;1487361743;ben_vulpes;why watch snuff, isis execution videos, read camwho blogs? for entertainment 1615111;1487361775;trinque;"see even buffet does it for the tweets. now retweet this shitty blog article." 1615112;1487361780;asciilifeform;isis headsoff clips are different. in that they depict honest reality. 1615113;1487361795;asciilifeform;whereas buffetronic price is a work of fiction, of the cheapest sort 1615114;1487361803;trinque;I dunno; those people love the retweets too. 1615115;1487361844;ben_vulpes;i didn't read it for the price, but to see how wide of the mark the wsj has drifted. it's an honest depiction of reality in that /it was published/, and depicts the process and its results. 1615116;1487361892;asciilifeform;northkr press also 'honest depiction of what was published', but lolk. 1615117;1487362082;mircea_popescu;"Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?" 1615118;1487362088;mircea_popescu;turns out, earth doth not swallow. women - do. 1615119;1487362132;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo https://archive.is/ETmwV << one for you 1615120;1487362132;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1615121;1487362186;asciilifeform;notably, this one 'He then walked into the backyard, fired shots toward a fence and then the helicopter.' 1615122;1487362253;asciilifeform;0 smoking wreck, 0 craters tho. 1615123;1487362277;asciilifeform;just as in new orleans. apparently not so easy to bring down chopper with small arms as mircea_popescu suggested. 1615124;1487362298;mircea_popescu;i am not responsible for random dork. 1615125;1487362392;asciilifeform;i was skeptical of 'red army d00d brought down messerschmitt with mosin' when reading as a boy, also. 1615126;1487362409;asciilifeform;the 'vital organs' of the target are small. 1615127;1487362446;asciilifeform;(hence why real life aa gunnery works on principle of shrapnel + concussion) 1615128;1487362525;trinque;in my experience that rifle's pretty damned accurate 1615129;1487362532;trinque;and the rounds are big 1615130;1487362622;asciilifeform;trinque: thing topped out at ~1km of useful 1615131;1487362666;trinque;sure, but things fly lower than that 1615132;1487362742;asciilifeform;iirc early in ww2 instructions included 'shoot at dive bomber' but then changed to 'take cover' 1615133;1487362926;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack, i suspect that police choppers will remain a going concern right up until the first heatseaking quadcopter-cum-pyrotechnic. 1615134;1487362954;asciilifeform;after that, desire to hover in $multimil unarmoured toy will evaporate. 1615135;1487362966;asciilifeform;*heatseeking 1615136;1487363028;asciilifeform;'but they are slow' -- not a problem , you do not need a rocket to catch up to a ~motionless victim 1615137;1487363212;trinque;good job; you just justified another 10bil to lockheed martin for "helicopter iron dome" 1615138;1487363225;asciilifeform;trinque: 10tril why not 1615139;1487363226;trinque;incidentally this is not a bad DDOS mechanism for the DoD 1615140;1487364297;ben_vulpes;i've always wondered what monofilament (possibly coated in crushed glass) would do to the swash plate 1615141;1487364487;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a helicopter and a messerschmitt have nothing in common. random dude alleged to have done something vague by font-of-lies has nothing to do. wouldja stop shitting on topics already. 1615142;1487364534;mircea_popescu;whether it's safe or it's not safe to try and fly helicopter within range of enemy rifles is not going to be decided by stakhanovist stories of any flavour, be they pravda i, pravda ii, or whatever. 1615143;1487365009;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-17#1615097 << http://atruechurch.info/twovirginbirths.html >> ???????? (betulah) is found in Genesis 24:16; Exodus 22:16-17; Leviticus 21:3, 14; Deuteronomy 22:19, 23, 28; 32:25; Judges 19:24; 21:12; 2 Samuel 13:2, 18; 1 Kings 1:2; 2 Kings 19:21; 2 Chronicles 36:17; Esther 2:2-3, 17, 19; Job 31:1 ("young woman" NKJV); 1615144;1487365009;a111;Logged on 2017-02-17 19:50 mircea_popescu: "so the biblical scholars mis-translated the hebrew word for young woman into the greek word for virgin. an easy mistake to make, since there's only a subtle difference in spelling. but it was the virgin that caught people's attention. it's not every day that a virgin conceives and bears a son. so you keep that for a couple hundred years, and the next thing you know, you have the holy catholic church." 1615145;1487365077;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it's from snatch. 1615146;1487365206;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ever review that one? 1615147;1487365241;mircea_popescu;apparently noit. 1615148;1487365247;mircea_popescu;but i liked it. 1615149;1487365289;ben_vulpes;favorite of mine for sure 1615150;1487365358;mircea_popescu;pity that dork went on to spawn a whole series of reality tv shits. 1615151;1487365366;ben_vulpes;ritchie? 1615152;1487365380;mircea_popescu;nah, the dude that played turkish. 1615153;1487365418;mircea_popescu;graham or statham or what's his name 1615154;1487365425;ben_vulpes;heh 1615155;1487365431;ben_vulpes;anyone ever trick you into watching "crank"? 1615156;1487365444;mircea_popescu;mno 1615157;1487365467;ben_vulpes;so bad 1615158;1487365471;mircea_popescu;but srsly, aging plumber with an attitude worked specifically because ritchie knew what he was doing. 1615159;1487365474;ben_vulpes;comes clean out the other side into hysterically 1615160;1487365478;mircea_popescu;to see the subversion played straight insistently is pretty meh. 1615161;1487366179;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu ever write a 'likbez of partizan warfare' or similar ? i'd quite like to read it. 1615162;1487366240;asciilifeform;'with what to deal with chopper, and how' is a question some of the folx tuned in might, whether they want to or not, have to answer one day. 1615163;1487366458;mircea_popescu;not really. but anywya, the proper model for helicopter is ~car ; except with the added benefits of jesus nut, and a serious incentive to keep everything light. 1615164;1487366525;mircea_popescu;what you're doing however is on the level of, "oh, i saw A team shooting in hollywood blockbuster, therefore safest place in world is in front of firing squad. also small arms don't work. tee hee." 1615165;1487366583;mircea_popescu;a hunting rifle is a good start. it helps tremendously if you a) can actually shoot where you aim and b) do actually aim at it. 1615166;1487366598;asciilifeform;fwiw in fact i never once saw up close the shooting of a chopper. and subj was not covered in my kindergarten. 1615167;1487366623;asciilifeform;so i'll believe mircea_popescu's description. 1615168;1487366640;asciilifeform;in which part would you have to aim ? 1615169;1487366641;mircea_popescu;i nearly fell to my death in one ; nobody was even shooting. 1615170;1487366652;asciilifeform;aha i recall that piece, it was water in the fuel 1615171;1487366727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think car. shoot driver ; shoot fuel tank ; these work with a fucking 38mm. if you're actually firing 20 gauge you can prolly fissure a cylinder / ablate the transmission / cut a hole throgh one blade large enough to make it no longer capable of flight 1615172;1487366763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was, for the needs of this conversation, we flying with one dead filter in the redundant arrangement. because cost savings, see, ie "no money". another item everyone will get acquainted with in this maga life. 1615173;1487366785;mircea_popescu;half the time military gear is about to give up the ghost on its own merits, not like it's all tip top shiny new and well oiled. 1615174;1487366812;trinque;http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/001-100/walk072_Apache/Bryan%20Ribbans/apat7.jpeg << configured with secondary gas tank right next to missiles 1615175;1487366816;trinque;you know; for convenience 1615176;1487366827;mircea_popescu;well, for the naive conviction that "nobody'd fucking dare" 1615177;1487366849;asciilifeform;lol just like tiger tank 1615178;1487366870;asciilifeform;trinque: is that thing at least droppable? 1615179;1487366870;mircea_popescu;anyway. asciilifeform is actually aware quadcopter rotors can't handle as much as a blade of grass, imagines 2 ton heli rotor can handle buckshot ? 1615180;1487366947;trinque;asciilifeform: no idea 1615181;1487366983;asciilifeform;mojaheds in afghan for some reason preferred to use things other than buckshot. but is interesting to contemplate theoretically - given dispersion, how many shotgun rounds would you have to fire, from, say, 500 metres, to hit rotor. 1615182;1487367005;mircea_popescu;what dispersion ? it's a hunting round 1615183;1487367013;asciilifeform;so slug, not shot ? 1615184;1487367014;mircea_popescu;how many do you have to fire to hit duck ? "depends. can you shoot ?" 1615185;1487367081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idea is that qualified hunter should be able to hit a duck at a half mile EVERY TIME. 1615186;1487367128;asciilifeform;wonder what mod6 would say to this. 1615187;1487367137;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder what you think hunting is. 1615188;1487367290;asciilifeform;i am not a champion marksman, nor mega-hunter. but i do picture that duck hunt would be somewhat more difficult if you had to shoot a ~specific~ duck, rather than one from a flock; and if ducks knew how to shoot back, and call for backup.. 1615189;1487367335;mircea_popescu;this is what i mean. wtf are you talking "a specific duck". of coruse you shoot at a specific duck holy hell. 1615190;1487367340;trinque;lolwat 1615191;1487367365;*;trinque imagines asciilifeform spraying ak47 rounds into flock, "FOR PIGLET!!!!!" 1615192;1487367371;mircea_popescu;lol 1615193;1487367403;mircea_popescu;"into flock" being charitable. into bridge, into clouds, into the other rounds... 1615194;1487367570;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's a profession, being a hunter. not like being c programmer, but like being c programmer aspires to be. 1615195;1487369132;asciilifeform;entirely respectable trade. 1615196;1487369143;asciilifeform;(hunting, that is.) 1615197;1487369156;mircea_popescu;yeah. telltale sign : it's not for everyone. 1615198;1487369185;asciilifeform;afaik only the grave is 'for everyone' 1615199;1487369187;*;mircea_popescu is always very suspicion of the female professions, from religion to "our democracy" to aluminum siding salesmanship that "are open to everyone" 1615200;1487370498;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/OwS20 << lulzy admixture of sense and nonsense. 'oh noez bit flips' but 0 mention of ecc. nor of the fact that almost all 'single event upset' are of ~earthly~ origin, ordinary beta decay 1615201;1487371072;trinque;pff ecc. not nearly as cool as minority report triad of processors 1615202;1487376934;mod6;<+asciilifeform> wonder what mod6 would say to this. << half a mile?! that's 2`640 ft. / 3 = ~880 yards. that's a pretty decent long shot even for a .308. 1615203;1487376998;mod6;for me, when I use upland loads (#6 shot) for pheasants, i get many yells of "great shot mod6" if I put a bird down at "long shot" of 60-80 yards. 1615204;1487377051;mod6;they do fly fast, and it's a lot harder than it looks. for one. now maybe I just suck shit, and guys are popping birds @ 500 yards on the regular. but this, i haven't seen myself. 1615205;1487377063;mod6;many guys do shoot deer with .12ga slugs. 1615206;1487377102;mod6;now, typically, as I understand, they typically take these deer at no more than 350 yards or you risk wounding the thing and having to track the sob for 10 miles. 1615207;1487377187;mod6;if you're in a qcb, and you have a shotgun and don't have a rifle as an option, or slugs for your shotgun, buckshot will do just fine. but you aught to be within say, 25 yards if you want to put your man down. 1615208;1487377247;mod6;that's just my $0.02. not gospel. personally, if I gotta fight in the field. i need to be able to put rounds on target up to at least 200 yards away or I'm basically in a qcb/hand-to-hand situation. 1615209;1487377384;mod6;so, yeah qcb, shotgun with buckshot will the job really well, especially inside the home or whatnot. but if I'm attacking, trying to lay down suppressing fire, or a part of some type of garrison, gotta have a rifle. at least, that's what I want in my hands. 1615210;1487377558;mod6;but heck, what do i know. when it comes down to it, any gun, with live ammo, is better than standing there with your dick in your hands. 1615211;1487377565;mod6;:] 1615212;1487377828;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/mcdonalds-exposes-nuts-after-hiatus/ << Qntra - McDonald's Exposes Nuts After Hiatus 1615213;1487377905;mod6;i should note that pheasants are a bit different though. i try to get them up no further than 30 yards in front of me. any more than that shots get hard, birds catch wind and they're gone easier than you'd think. I keep the dogs between 15-25 yards in front of me, that way, they flush, bird pops up, i knock 'em down. 1615214;1487377948;mod6;ducks are a lot more involved. you gotta set out decoys and call 'em in to land. that's when those guys are in the blind they lock their wings coming into land that they shoot 'em. at least, that's what I hear. 1615215;1487378015;mod6;im not sure how high they try to take the shots.... your pellet pattern spreads out the further and further away you are shooting. now, for instance, if I shoot at a pheasant that's too close too me. i'll hit it with a full pattern, and that will probably not be very awesome to eat. 1615216;1487378048;mod6;so a bit of distance is good. too much and you're not hitting jack shit. even if you could put a pellet on target, it won't have enough KE to knock it down. 1615217;1487378118;mod6;maybe the goose/duck hunters use a different choke than me too. so who knows. 1615218;1487378146;mod6;i got a buddy who shoots a zillion geese every year, i'll have to ask him. i know that he does put out decoys and call's 'em in though. 1615219;1487378236;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform 1615220;1487378259;mod6;trinque imagines asciilifeform spraying ak47 rounds into flock, "FOR PIGLET!!!!!" << win lol 1615221;1487378390;BingoBoingo; so bad << Crank is probably best 'Murican film of the century so far 1615222;1487378546;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform think car. shoot driver ; shoot fuel tank ; these work with a fucking 38mm. if you're actually firing 20 gauge you can prolly fissure a cylinder / ablate the transmission / cut a hole throgh one blade large enough to make it no longer capable of flight << 20 gauge is small less common one, 12 gauge is bigger common one. 1615223;1487379179;mircea_popescu;i once shot a phantom with a pea at 17 leagues 1615224;1487379183;mircea_popescu;blindfolded in the fog. 1615225;1487379189;mircea_popescu;and THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW I'M A HUNTER!!1 1615226;1487379201;BingoBoingo;In europe bird hunters hit at extreme range because they use 1, 2, or 4 gauge "punt guns", US maxes out at 10 and 12 gauge for the reason that ducks respond to bigger guns by just flying higher and then arms race 1615227;1487379233;*;BingoBoingo once shot down a fly with my pee 1615228;1487379243;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suspect the thing is, us duck / swamp birds mostly live in estuaries ; whereas in europe over river marshlands. 1615229;1487379256;mircea_popescu;makes a huge difference, in that you ain't got a submarine dog. 1615230;1487379282;BingoBoingo;Depends on part of USA. Ducks are adaptable 1615231;1487379292;mircea_popescu;i thought us ducks were canadian. 1615232;1487379312;BingoBoingo;Tend to be International travellers 1615233;1487379350;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i think the pee thing makes you a... punter ? 1615234;1487379369;BingoBoingo;Mebbe? 1615235;1487379384;BingoBoingo;Or perhaps "gold cup" marksman 1615236;1487379389;mircea_popescu;lol 1615237;1487379513;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1615238;1487379521;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1054.67, vol: 6034.35459566 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1033.594, vol: 5946.06379 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1054.9, vol: 16042.72389713 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1032.301088, vol: 9472.37520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1055.86, vol: 2126.06558953 | Volume-weighted last average: 1046.31631755 1615239;1487379543;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency eur 1615240;1487379547;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 993.182739, vol: 6034.35459566 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 991.1, vol: 98.0624 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 969.200266, vol: 9472.37520000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 994.629, vol: 6494.66555647 | Volume-weighted last average: 983.319047239 1615241;1487381399;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F7C4EB8C005D90AEE74CB84D8DADD1E2ADA0B9966C25DF9BB8CB531B5406CBF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...5273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.18.101.89 (ssh-rsa key from 190.18.101.89 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (89-101-18-190.fibertel.com.ar. AR) 1615242;1487381399;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F7C4EB8C005D90AEE74CB84D8DADD1E2ADA0B9966C25DF9BB8CB531B5406CBF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1366...1853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.18.101.89 (ssh-rsa key from 190.18.101.89 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (89-101-18-190.fibertel.com.ar. AR) 1615243;1487386726;thestringpuller;mod6: got to height 453552 on different machine when height was 453554. node's last "getblocks" message returned 4 blocks already in inventory. after that it sent no more "getblocks" commands. 1615244;1487387295;thestringpuller;;;isup http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/ 1615245;1487387304;thestringpuller;!~isup http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/ 1615246;1487387307;jhvh1;thestringpuller: It's not just you. mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/ appears to be down. 1615247;1487389839;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615241 << lol, s33k000rity camera. and demands to 'Por favor, instale plugins primero!' ! i shit thee not, a winblowz exe. 1615248;1487389839;a111;Logged on 2017-02-18 01:29 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F7C4EB8C005D90AEE74CB84D8DADD1E2ADA0B9966C25DF9BB8CB531B5406CBF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...5273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.18.101.89 (ssh-rsa key from 190.18.101.89 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (89-101-18-190.fibertel.com.ar. AR) 1615249;1487389861;asciilifeform;http://190.18.101.89/webplugin.exe ! 1615250;1487390350;thestringpuller;on mac i get http://190.18.101.89/webplugin.pkg 1615251;1487391077;mircea_popescu;lmao 1615252;1487393898;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1615253;1487393899;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 453562 | Current Difficulty: 4.22170566883E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 453599 | Next Difficulty In: 37 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1615254;1487395514;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> In europe bird hunters hit at extreme range because they use 1, 2, or 4 gauge "punt guns", US maxes out at 10 and 12 gauge for the reason that ducks respond to bigger guns by just flying higher and then arms race << huh. yeah those would be huge. 1615255;1487396433;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF78F12E4DAE7F53F707AFCDF4D779620F1D6237966F5F7B818BD3EA31FFBEA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1471...5509 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.200.172.105 (ssh-rsa key from 89.200.172.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vserver75.antagus.de. DE) 1615256;1487396433;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF78F12E4DAE7F53F707AFCDF4D779620F1D6237966F5F7B818BD3EA31FFBEA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1773...5243 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.200.172.105 (ssh-rsa key from 89.200.172.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vserver75.antagus.de. DE) 1615257;1487426614;thestringpuller;mod6 asciilifeform dunno if just weird artifact along with bad luck or actual potential problem, but my node running on slowest hardware is only receiving BASTARD BLOCK s. I'm connected to deedbot (a trusted node) with -addnode. using same patch tree as hanbot 1615258;1487426986;thestringpuller;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jPlL4/?raw=true << node's log tail | grep "blocks", if it helps 1615259;1487428541;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/eulora-special-playable-character-list/ << Trilema - Eulora Special Playable Character List 1615260;1487429809;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in shitcoinistan, https://zcoin.io/language/en/important-announcement-zerocoin-implementation-bug 1615261;1487429844;asciilifeform;'We estimate the attacker has created about 370,000 Zcoins which has been almost completely sold except for about 20,000+ Zcoin and absorbed on the market with a profit of around 410 BTC. In other words, the damage has already been mostly absorbed by the markets.' 1615262;1487429849;mircea_popescu;aww. 1615263;1487429863;mircea_popescu;"absorbed by the markets" huh. 1615264;1487429865;asciilifeform;ABSORBED! didjaknow. 1615265;1487429874;mircea_popescu;well no cause for alarm then. 1615266;1487429897;mircea_popescu;hopefully this starts popping up in "rape" cases : your honor, the seminal fluid was already mostly absorbed by the alleged victim's uterus. 1615267;1487429919;asciilifeform;and also 'attacker' and definitely not 'aaah but we kept the magic inflatron key, what, idiot, you believed that we burned it?!' 1615268;1487429935;mircea_popescu;oh no, but i read on a website... 1615269;1487430989;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is zcash even big enough to warrant qntra ? 1615270;1487431019;mircea_popescu;or sorry, zerocoin. 1615271;1487431076;mircea_popescu;meh whatever, ima two line it. if acceptable fine. 1615272;1487431154;*;asciilifeform had 'zcash' and 'zerocoin' hardlinked in head 1615273;1487431687;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9osax/?raw=true 1615274;1487431695;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i;m too lazy to go into the archives. 1615275;1487437999;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu 1615276;1487438041;mircea_popescu;my pleasure 1615277;1487438054;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/its-not-rape-if-her-uterus-meanwhile-absorbed-it/ << Qntra - It's Not Rape If Her Uterus Meanwhile Absorbed It 1615278;1487439254;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/02/18/the-open-sores-of-monkey-code/ << Ossasepia - The open sores of monkey code 1615279;1487439715;mod6;omfg 1615280;1487439800;diana_coman;selected delights from planeOfshit 1615281;1487439815;mod6;im like... 1615282;1487439839;mod6;thanks for all your hard work on Eulora. 1615283;1487439865;mod6;i just read your article, nice write up. I'm stunned at what you're saying there. 1615284;1487439977;diana_coman;thanks! got a bit of it out basically; in any case, eulora server is being gradually rebuilt and ps will be entirely discarded 1615285;1487439991;mod6;my mind boggles at how they even have this setup. for instance, in my mind, if you were going to have say, 30 different types of hats in the game, there would be a simple, abstract hat class. 1615286;1487440023;diana_coman;it really took me months to accept the evidence that "abstract" is something entirely unknown there 1615287;1487440042;mod6;from there, you would extend the abstract hat, and provide whatever implementations required, including whatever x/y points or whatnot to draw the thing... 1615288;1487440052;mod6;it sounds like this is /far/ from such a design. 1615289;1487440053;diana_coman;sure, they have classes and classes inheriting classes and so on and so forth, but as to the reasons for inheritance... 1615290;1487440119;mod6;so ya, sounds like there is really no design pattern, or at lesat not a discernable one 'eh 1615291;1487440136;mod6;like 'builder' or 'composition' etc etc. 1615292;1487440152;diana_coman;ahahah, design patterns, what, reading books next ? programming, yo! 1615293;1487440158;diana_coman;social coding thing I suspect 1615294;1487440161;mod6;haha 1615295;1487440188;mod6;my mind reels at what the whole slot location mechinism. 1615296;1487440206;diana_coman;myeah, that was cherry on top 1615297;1487440219;mod6;some nasty type of pointer arithmatic or whatever 'eh? 1615298;1487440268;diana_coman;I suppose I should be grateful it is done with numbers straight rather than pointers too 1615299;1487440342;mod6;well, someone may suppose that you'd rather smashed in the head with a simple rock, or this here complex ax head. 1615300;1487440386;mod6;nice call graph too. 1615301;1487440405;mod6;i think that kinda illustrates what you need to contend with. 1615302;1487440427;mod6;you're basically a saint. 1615303;1487440438;mod6;let me know if i can help somehow. 1615304;1487440474;diana_coman;hopefully won't end up thrown to the lions though :)) 1615305;1487440485;diana_coman;thanks! :) 1615306;1487440490;mod6;not on my watch. 1615307;1487440498;mod6;anytime. :] 1615308;1487440502;asciilifeform;diana_coman: spiffy article, good illustration of the kind of affair ada was built to prevent 1615309;1487440551;diana_coman;asciilifeform, thanks! 1615310;1487440559;asciilifeform;(for instance, prohibits pointer arithmetic, or even the use of a pointer in any context other than where it was born; or to any item not in advance marked pointable-at.) 1615311;1487440718;diana_coman;aha, I had a bit of a look at ada but sadly no time to properly play around with it; I'm looking forward though to your ada implementations 1615312;1487440742;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i will be releasing a small proggy quite soon. 1615313;1487440809;trinque;imagine that this tangling of classes happens in the sinner skulls before disgracing code 1615314;1487440818;trinque;and they just let people walk around like that! 1615315;1487440850;asciilifeform;trinque: there is no tangle properly speaking ~in~ their skull. when proggy no longer fits in head, programming turns into a brute physical, rather than intellectual activity 1615316;1487440915;trinque;they're not incompatible points, really 1615317;1487440971;mod6;the graph, suggests, to me, that the entire thing is very tightly coupled. 1615318;1487441019;trinque;I worked on a very sad qt project once upon a time 1615319;1487441034;trinque;class graph looked like a rat king 1615320;1487441091;trinque;and asciilifeform is right that the sheer mass of the thing made it impossible to lift into one's head 1615321;1487441126;mod6;as far as this knot of ps, or the qt thing? 1615322;1487441128;trinque;but also there were plenty of idiots that could not think clearly about the problem in the abstract either, i.e. there is a board, it is to be carved along these paths, so on 1615323;1487441156;trinque;qt thing itself was an abominable nightmare of a hacked together carve-path drawing tool 1615324;1487441165;mod6;eek 1615325;1487441211;ben_vulpes;ahaha diana_coman i salute you that is some serious archaeology 1615326;1487441252;diana_coman;ben_vulpes, cheers! 1615327;1487441290;diana_coman;mod6, "tight coupling" would be a very ....british way of putting it: I think trinque has it there with "rat king" 1615328;1487441305;mod6;heheh. 1615329;1487441324;diana_coman;and yes, fwiw I don't think they bothered with having anything in their heads, not by the looks of it: hey, it WORKS, right? 1615330;1487441353;mod6;"they have oatmeal in their heads" 1615331;1487441387;ben_vulpes;footnote 3 is a gorgeous little sentence, i don't think i've ever seen the like from a native english speaker 1615332;1487441438;asciilifeform;it is a mistake to describe the agglomerative type of 'programming' as product of 'thought'. it is more similar to what dung beetle does. 1615333;1487441482;mod6;aha 1615334;1487442011;ben_vulpes;monte carlo programming! deepblue, but with meatsacks 1615335;1487442819;ben_vulpes;!!up tarciboy who's your daddy and did he accomplish anything with himself? 1615336;1487442819;deedbot;tarciboy voiced for 30 minutes. 1615337;1487444655;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/bitcoin-network-difficulty-climbs-to-440779902286-58917236-yet-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Climbs To 440779902286.58917236 – Yet Another All Time High 1615338;1487445508;thestringpuller;diana_coman the sad thing is all the good gamedev code is sealed, especially after the mid 2000's renderware incident with EA. 1615339;1487445571;thestringpuller;oldie but goodie >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=849&cpage=1#comment-3952 1615340;1487445904;thestringpuller;it also happened recently iirc with the konami-kojima incident (wherein konami stole his Fox engine) 1615341;1487446726;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/032879D0FB20DDECDC93ECC74D5785164A64D93357D29700D308BBB204DAF6D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1588...1859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.50.76.91 (ssh-rsa key from 92.50.76.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (niki42a.b-e-n-s.net. DE) 1615342;1487446726;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5C8E6EE075A38BC03ED6A1920D4CF86AFD9A44E5B28872128DB520746406279 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...5977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '173.212.181.68 (ssh-rsa key from 173.212.181.68 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static-173-212-181-68.ptr.terago.net. CA ON) 1615343;1487446726;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/032879D0FB20DDECDC93ECC74D5785164A64D93357D29700D308BBB204DAF6D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...5977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.50.76.91 (ssh-rsa key from 92.50.76.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (niki42a.b-e-n-s.net. DE) 1615344;1487446726;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5C8E6EE075A38BC03ED6A1920D4CF86AFD9A44E5B28872128DB520746406279 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1665...0247 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '173.212.181.68 (ssh-rsa key from 173.212.181.68 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static-173-212-181-68.ptr.terago.net. CA ON) 1615345;1487447574;mats;http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/dekalb-county/workers-horrified-at-make-killing-great-again-poster/495223396 lul 1615346;1487447896;mircea_popescu;lol epic diana_coman 1615347;1487447907;mircea_popescu;also my comment is awaiting moderation. 1615348;1487448101;mircea_popescu;mats holy shit that's some quick turnaround! 1615349;1487448197;mats;you'd think VA employees could distinguish .mil culture from a threat of workplace violence 1615350;1487448224;mats;somehow not surprised both whiners that appeared on tv are black... 1615351;1487448390;mats;help help i'm being oppressed by a poster 1615352;1487448542;mircea_popescu;heh 1615353;1487448589;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, cheers! and comment is on, of course 1615354;1487448840;mircea_popescu;anyway asciilifeform has it, the basically scour the web for code snippets much like dung beetle. 1615355;1487448858;mircea_popescu;but it's ok, they pay their debt to society by answering questions on experts sex change. 1615356;1487448892;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615331 <- thank you! 1615357;1487448892;a111;Logged on 2017-02-18 18:09 ben_vulpes: footnote 3 is a gorgeous little sentence, i don't think i've ever seen the like from a native english speaker 1615358;1487448943;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, yes, I think asciilifeform is quite right there - I *saw* "programmers" doing exactly that in fact 1615359;1487448982;mircea_popescu;i suspect everyone kind-of knows this which is why specific items such as "mysql" or "xml" or what have you are so heavy tinged with aversity pheromones. 1615360;1487449004;mircea_popescu;but irl, they just happen to be items with vast online documentation. so a lot of dung to snatch, as it were. 1615361;1487449044;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e.g., ada refmanual & rationale, whole talmud, is also on www... but somehow 0 rush to snatch dung 1615362;1487449054;asciilifeform;it ain't the 'well-documentedness' that attracts. 1615363;1487449065;asciilifeform;also must be shit. for the beetle to smell. 1615364;1487449067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall me trying to comprehend lisp and saying the documentation is absent ? 1615365;1487449075;mircea_popescu;same principle. TO THEM they might as well not be there, because in the abstract 1615366;1487449085;mircea_popescu;whereas "copy this code snippet to do json bro" is EVERYWHERE., 1615367;1487449087;asciilifeform;http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Front/Contents.htm << even google finds. 1615368;1487449120;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was discussion in ben_vulpes 's castle. 1615369;1487449120;asciilifeform;so then 'massive trove of snippetage', rather than 'documentation' -- attracts. 1615370;1487449127;mircea_popescu;aha. 1615371;1487449209;mircea_popescu;it's i realise now, directly the problem - the snippetage. IF a language/method/package/abstract-item-whatever has a lot of "copy paste this snippet" built around it, then the useless worms that opened up and swallowed the immense productive assets and limitless human ingenuity existing in america recognize it for the business-world equivalent of their schooldays : THE HOLY CLIFF NOTES!!1 1615372;1487449229;mircea_popescu;and so they attempt to built a career through the process and in the manner that built their "education". 1615373;1487449292;mircea_popescu;functionalistic culture. "i don't have to understand how fridge works as long as i know which door to open" is the first step to "and then i made the hay airplane but presents didn't drop from sky" after all. 1615374;1487449313;mircea_popescu;and "i just want to" is the mantra humming along, all of it. 1615375;1487449329;mircea_popescu;smatterings of "just because x I SHOULDNT HAVE TO y" now and again 1615376;1487449986;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615245 << buggers are persistent, found a point of fragility i overlooked 1615377;1487449986;a111;Logged on 2017-02-18 03:08 thestringpuller: !~isup http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/ 1615378;1487453909;mircea_popescu;check this novel rounding style out : 1615379;1487453928;mircea_popescu;!~calc 95.4 / 220 1615380;1487453929;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 95.4 / 220 = 0.43363636363636365 1615381;1487453942;mircea_popescu;you'd think 4 comes after 3. but google knows better. 1615382;1487456691;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615371 << the nutrient alone is not enough to produce maggots. e.g., 'SWAG' archive ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-18#1241627 ) of pascal snippets existed, was first class . 0 maggotry. 1615383;1487456691;a111;Logged on 2017-02-18 20:20 mircea_popescu: it's i realise now, directly the problem - the snippetage. IF a language/method/package/abstract-item-whatever has a lot of "copy paste this snippet" built around it, then the useless worms that opened up and swallowed the immense productive assets and limitless human ingenuity existing in america recognize it for the business-world equivalent of their schooldays : THE HOLY CLIFF NOTES!!1 1615384;1487456691;a111;Logged on 2015-08-18 01:51 asciilifeform: http://www.retroarchive.org/swag << proper archive. 1615385;1487456939;asciilifeform;it also requires http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html . 1615386;1487456962;asciilifeform;'... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.' 1615387;1487457139;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/18/the-robot-tax/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The robot tax. 1615388;1487457633;mircea_popescu;imagine what $idiots could accomplish if they put all this pointless labour into actually doing something useful. 1615389;1487457639;mircea_popescu;"but mp, i just work here, it's not my life!" 1615390;1487457645;mircea_popescu;sure buddy, keep telling yourself that. 1615391;1487457699;asciilifeform;loluseful. such as what ? 1615392;1487457831;mircea_popescu;such as i dunno, the 5th channel logger. 1615393;1487457999;asciilifeform;why would you want one built by idiot ? 1615394;1487458034;asciilifeform;maybe it's just me, but i do not want idiots to anything. other than to stop breathing. 1615395;1487458492;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform $idiots here takes values from {set of dorks working for usg thinking dicking around with freenode connectivity does something} 1615396;1487458502;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp... it puts my kids through college. i got dental!" 1615397;1487459578;mod6;haha 1615398;1487460736;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf the chronometer b00k is spiffy. 1615399;1487460736;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1615400;1487460748;asciilifeform;even mentions an oil lamp attempt. 1615401;1487460943;asciilifeform;also mentioned a different crackpottery i had in my head -- to use pair of magnets instead of balance spring, to overcome the thermal boojum (that harrison ended up inventing bimetallic spring to solve) -- as having been tried, unsuccessfully, by huygens 1615402;1487460955;asciilifeform;(but did not say exactly how it failed.) 1615403;1487464463;mircea_popescu;problem is getting magnets that stay put magnetically 1615404;1487465796;BingoBoingo;Question: How do you reverse a ratcheting tap and die handle? 1615405;1487465817;BingoBoingo;Answer: You do not. 1615406;1487465961;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: whythefuck does yours have ratchet 1615407;1487465978;mircea_popescu;to have greater power than itself ? 1615408;1487465985;mircea_popescu;aahandle 1615409;1487465988;asciilifeform;you want fine control when tapping 1615410;1487466001;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mine thankfully does not. Selected text taken from catalog faq 1615411;1487466087;mircea_popescu;and in today's walk among the ancient texts, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-12#792148 1615412;1487466087;a111;Logged on 2014-08-12 02:19 TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work 1615413;1487466359;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6642 1615414;1487466987;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6651 1615415;1487474597;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: would i have to modify how OpenSSL is initialized in order to use FUCKGOATS with TRB? >> https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Random_Numbers#Hardware 1615416;1487475697;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: that, or kernel 1615417;1487475704;asciilifeform;or wait for sane walletrons. 1615418;1487475716;mircea_popescu;kernel patch best way 1615419;1487475738;thestringpuller;kernel patch as in feed directly to /dev/random ? 1615420;1487475782;mircea_popescu;openssl can't be trusted to actually use entropy in the first place. 1615421;1487475790;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller as in feed /dev/random directly from it yes 1615422;1487475923;thestringpuller;"RAND_poll seeds the random number generator using a system-specific entropy source, which is /dev/urandom on UNIX-like operating systems" << so openssl default is PRNG??? RE: "The urandom device may lack sufficient entropy for your needs, and you might want to reseed it immediately from /dev/random. On Unix and other operating systems that provide the block device, you can use RAND_load_file to load directly from /dev/random." 1615423;1487475935;mircea_popescu;no "seeds". 1615424;1487475981;mircea_popescu;"random number generators" to be taken out and shot. 1615425;1487476162;asciilifeform;in other softwaresucks, i applied all of the optimizations folx have written to me about re phuctor. still ~same slow. 1615426;1487476177;mircea_popescu;might not be software's fault 1615427;1487476180;asciilifeform;(despite postgres being permitted to eat massive qty of ram) 1615428;1487476295;asciilifeform;sql dbtron is , i suspect, intrinsically unusable for this application 1615429;1487476300;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1615430;1487476302;asciilifeform;( just as it is for, e.g., bitcoin ) 1615431;1487476319;mircea_popescu;in fairness it's a bit like using car for haulage. use train neh. 1615432;1487476332;mircea_popescu;"no i'll optimize my truck". eh... 1615433;1487476406;asciilifeform;it may be the most overloaded trabant on planet3 1615434;1487476454;asciilifeform;(iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron) 1615435;1487476468;mircea_popescu;kinda what they're for. 1615436;1487476625;asciilifeform;and again i went 'surely there MUST be a knob to permit-FUCKYOU-UNBLOCKEDALWAYS-READS... i must've missed it' but nope. 1615437;1487476633;asciilifeform;walked the docs. nuffin. 1615438;1487476649;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1615439;1487477850;thestringpuller;!~later tell danielpbarron: https://dpaste.de/eWi5/raw 1615440;1487477850;jhvh1;thestringpuller: The operation succeeded. 1615441;1487477881;mod6;asciilifeform: anything catching your eye in the performance statistics? 1615442;1487477888;mod6;or explain plans? 1615443;1487477938;asciilifeform;mod6: just the same old idiocy with 10-40sec per page load. 1615444;1487477938;mod6;(im much more familiar with mysql's perf schema, not really with psql, but... I find these things very helpful on a regular basis.) 1615445;1487478088;mod6;so, UIs are usually victims, ofc. and the bottleneck is in the database. might be worth your time to see what your explain plans look like (are we doing a lot of table scans?), what do your lock counts look like? are we doing lots of long runing queries that return no rows? etc. 1615446;1487478125;asciilifeform;mod6: well, every single new key submission is from 1 to a dozen no-result queries 1615447;1487478556;mod6;it would be interesting to see, how often inserts are happening for new key submissions versus, say, something that would facilitate a regular ui page load. 1615448;1487478577;asciilifeform;mod6: they happen constantly 1615449;1487478590;asciilifeform;because the Framedragger data set is pumped in 24/7. 1615450;1487478612;mod6;aha. 1615451;1487478628;asciilifeform;incidentally i measured the thing in between Framedragger parcels 1615452;1487478629;asciilifeform;still slow. 1615453;1487478640;asciilifeform;the db is intrinsic bottleneck. 1615454;1487478753;mod6;are you doing row-level locking? 1615455;1487478767;asciilifeform;i have nfi what that means 1615456;1487478775;mod6;(my guess here, is that you're inserting heavily on the same table as you are trying to read from) 1615457;1487478793;asciilifeform;well noshit 1615458;1487478815;mod6;and if you're doing (what might be default in pgsql) some sort of full table locking on inserts, then that'd be something to look at. 1615459;1487478854;asciilifeform;we had a thread, where mircea_popescu suggested inserting in massive batches. i will eventually implement this. but i find it offputting that EVEN THEN the IDIOTIC db will prevent me from reading !!! 1615460;1487478865;asciilifeform;reading AT MOTHERFUCKING DISK SPEED as it OUGHT TO READ 1615461;1487478869;asciilifeform;when told omfg. 1615462;1487478934;asciilifeform;dbism stinks. 1615463;1487478939;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is there a guide on making this fabled kernel module for fuckgoats? 1615464;1487478949;mod6;there is a lot of configuration/tuning involved. they're picky. :/ 1615465;1487478959;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: no, and there is also not a ready guide on self-appendectomy 1615466;1487479002;asciilifeform;mod6: i sat for whole day with the tuning. worthless. 1615467;1487479012;asciilifeform;the ONE THING I ASKED FOR is not in the tunings. 1615468;1487479019;asciilifeform;'because it would be wrong' or sumthing. 1615469;1487479047;mod6;fair enough. 1615470;1487479139;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: :( learning cliff larger than dwarf fortress. no hints? tips and tricks? 1615471;1487479161;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if you haven't spent last 20yrs programming, this chore isn't for you, sadly 1615472;1487479477;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6661 1615473;1487480432;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: at the risk of repeating the words of the cartoon yoga master (who offered the n00b a bed of 1 nail) -- 'gotta start small' 1615474;1487480624;trinque;asciilifeform: explain what locks when you're inserting into your keys table 1615475;1487480647;trinque;the "concurrent" in acid ought to mean this doesn't happen 1615476;1487480907;asciilifeform;trinque: how might i go about determining the answer to this ? 1615477;1487480966;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615456 << this is not a noshit 1615478;1487480966;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 04:32 mod6: (my guess here, is that you're inserting heavily on the same table as you are trying to read from) 1615479;1487480971;trinque;you oughtn't do that 1615480;1487480986;trinque;sure thing is hateful, but you have one, can't use it wrong and lament 1615481;1487480995;trinque;can you use a materialized view there? 1615482;1487481008;trinque;to generate your work data, meanwhile inserting into the table the view reads from? 1615483;1487481038;asciilifeform;i have nfi what this sentence means 1615484;1487481039;trinque;process being "refresh materialized view" -> perform work on matview -> repeat 1615485;1487481067;trinque;ok so there are materialized views, yes? stored query the results of which are written to a table 1615486;1487481088;trinque;write one of those and perform your factoring work upon it 1615487;1487481090;asciilifeform;stored query? 1615488;1487481145;asciilifeform;trinque: understand, the gcd thing takes up ~3 minutes of db time daily. not a significant factor at all. 1615489;1487481148;trinque;haben sie ein postgresql? 1615490;1487481155;asciilifeform;nein. 1615491;1487481163;trinque;what db is this then 1615492;1487481165;trinque;sqlite? 1615493;1487481171;asciilifeform;postgres, sure, 1615494;1487481188;trinque;ok, you said that you are reading and writing heavily to the same table 1615495;1487481213;asciilifeform;slow even when 0 writing. 1615496;1487481221;asciilifeform;established this today. 1615497;1487481226;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you deeply against giving the man access on the machine ? 1615498;1487481233;mircea_popescu;seems cheaper than trying to learn sqlish. 1615499;1487481250;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do not particularly want to hand off the project, no. 1615500;1487481286;trinque;is it just me or did http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615457 become "but actually" 1615501;1487481286;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 04:33 asciilifeform: well noshit 1615502;1487481289;asciilifeform;plan is to rewrite the thing, this spring, with 0 sql. 1615503;1487481329;asciilifeform;trinque: does here exist such a thing as a profiler for pgsql ? 1615504;1487481339;asciilifeform;*there 1615505;1487481506;trinque;https://wiki.postgresql.org/images/4/45/Explaining_EXPLAIN.pdf << sorry for the pdf, but there's "explain" 1615506;1487481520;trinque;By default costs are in units of “time a sequential 8kb block read takes 1615507;1487481549;asciilifeform;ty trinque , i will make use of this. 1615508;1487481553;trinque;yw 1615509;1487481825;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6657 << "I don’t know why the state doesn’t just put the condemned prisoner under with a general anesthetic and then cut off his head with a sawzall. They are clearly over-thinking the whole process." 1615510;1487481880;mircea_popescu;or vice-versa. 1615511;1487482201;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there is a surprising tradition of this. i recall reading about a fella in new york who was permitted to build himself an electrically-operated (button in his hand) 'upward jerker' gallows system, and hang on it 1615512;1487482219;asciilifeform;1890s 1615513;1487484402;BingoBoingo;aha 1615514;1487484702;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc ~all electric chairs were built by prisoners (though not usually ones scheduled to sizzle) 1615515;1487484743;BingoBoingo;Much .gov furniture is built that way 1615516;1487487526;BingoBoingo;Look who's presumably back http://qntra.net/2017/02/its-not-rape-if-her-uterus-meanwhile-absorbed-it/#comment-87580 1615517;1487488781;BingoBoingo;In other ancient 1994's https://archive.is/RqpQi 1615518;1487492032;mats;TIL about the Feynman Technique, via http://calnewport.com/blog/2012/10/26/mastering-linear-algebra-in-10-days-astounding-experiments-in-ultra-learning 1615519;1487493569;diana_coman;"While there will always be people with unfair advantages" bwahahaa 1615520;1487493689;diana_coman;by this time I rather expect that the underlying truth there is that MIT's "computer science curriculum" simply is watered down 1615521;1487494079;mats;coursera's 'learning how to learn' is also quite good 1615522;1487494612;phf;asciilifeform: did you get the new and improved edition? or a pirate pdf of the original? i'm not sure what the warez status of it is, but i can potentially do a proper scan of the first ed 1615523;1487494738;phf;i picked up https://www.amazon.com/Longitude-Genius-Greatest-Scientific-Problem/dp/080271529X that someone left on the train, it's a popsci history of longitude problem, which in turn pointed me to the gould book, which i found in a local collectors' bookstore 1615524;1487494847;phf;i can't vouch for the current edition (with the colourful chronometer on the cover), becaues comments side that it's not just a reprent, but a revised text based on gould's notes. 1615525;1487494862;phf;*comments said 1615526;1487495065;phf;(i don't know what happened to above sentence. india make me spell good) 1615527;1487495287;phf;i wonder if "scott young" used bulletproof coffee every morning, to prep himself up for mit ciriculum study. did he organize his studies using GTD??? what kind of organizer did he use, and where can i buy it? the audience wants to know answers to these vital questions 1615528;1487495958;mats;huh, first i've heard of 'bulletproof coffee', how hip 1615529;1487496008;mats;>grass-fed butter and Brain-octane oil 1615530;1487496070;mats;i've been away from the valley too long 1615531;1487496213;phf;the whole vibe of the piece that you linked is that. "here's 10 books i wrote on how to be a leading brain surgeon. i myself am not a brain surgeon of course too hard lol, i just made all the money writing books like that" 1615532;1487496461;mats;i'll add a trigger warning if there's a next time 1615533;1487496470;phf;:} 1615534;1487496506;phf;i'm 2 weeks away from having to go back to washington, dc. i'm over the hump, and doubling down on hate. 1615535;1487498028;mats;my sympathies 1615536;1487498067;mats;efforts to retake western half of mosul have begun 1615537;1487508238;danielpbarron;!~later tell thestringpuller http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ICRUI/?raw=true 1615538;1487508238;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded. 1615539;1487509008;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615505 << just to note for asciilifeform and given that i didn't see it mentioned in the pdf (could have easily missed it), `EXPLAIN (ANALYZE, BUFFERS) $yoursqlquery` *is* useful. "buffers" will also show how much of postgres cache was hit during query execution, etc. etc.; it's quite nice. 1615540;1487509008;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 05:18 trinque: https://wiki.postgresql.org/images/4/45/Explaining_EXPLAIN.pdf << sorry for the pdf, but there's "explain" 1615541;1487509802;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD919DC40487AD461B8113F407DECC7E6628E95894E12DDB6ED1197357ADBBCF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1063...0329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.95.173.49 (ssh-rsa key from 223.95.173.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1615542;1487509803;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FC3FC7E23DFBDF44C302E52DF687914488B86411CE7929DBBB3035551714DC64 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1292...5723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.66.170 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.66.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1615543;1487509803;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD919DC40487AD461B8113F407DECC7E6628E95894E12DDB6ED1197357ADBBCF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1292...5723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.95.173.49 (ssh-rsa key from 223.95.173.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1615544;1487509803;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FC3FC7E23DFBDF44C302E52DF687914488B86411CE7929DBBB3035551714DC64 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1135...0847 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.66.170 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.66.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1615545;1487509926;Framedragger;112.16.66.170 << running comware, "Comware is an industry-leading provider of network security solutions including products, professional services, and implementation. Our elite team of experts understands complex security issues ..." 1615546;1487516861;mircea_popescu;"ultra learning" sounds a lot like "i don't wanna learn, what can you make me out of HFCS and corporate legal advice ?" 1615547;1487516897;mircea_popescu;Framedragger pity it's not cornware. 1615548;1487517204;mircea_popescu;phf you're exactly right. this current maga-able us economy consisting of "we'll be rich by doing each other's laundry" is not in any sense novel, or invented by the pantsuit mcclinton. in fact, on a frank review of the extant record, the only properly said us-american culture is THIS. in between the quack salesman and the itinerant scammer you find the neoprotestant-innovative firebrand preacher, the systematizing industrial 1615549;1487517204;mircea_popescu;ist and everyone else. 1615550;1487517245;mircea_popescu;if there is to be something substantially murican, to stand with the russki "soul of the peasant", it's a badly typeset secret big town learnin' france doesn't want ms cormack of potato, idaho to know. 1615551;1487517365;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-enter-failville/ << this, basically. and it's pre 1800s. 1615552;1487517384;mircea_popescu;(not the items depicted, but the vein.) 1615553;1487517530;mircea_popescu;that's the one, only, true and authentic soul of america and naught else. apparent alternatives are always and without exception strictly a) tolerated imports with no substantial intermingling with local idiocy and b) only tolerated because of exterior pressure ; if usian CAN get away with no longer pretending to frenchness, germanity, etc he most definitely will. 1615554;1487517618;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612205 << http://archive.is/3itGU << Looks like Zuckerberg responded with a manifesto of socialism 1615555;1487517618;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 20:07 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/socialist-seek-to-replace-socialist-zuckerberg-on-facebook-board-for-insufficient-socialism/ << Qntra - Socialist Seek To Replace Socialist Zuckerberg On Facebook Board For Insufficient Socialism 1615556;1487517628;mircea_popescu;blessfully, there is a large contingent of young women who deeply intuit the whole thing's bullshit ; which is the most that can be said for the place. making the anglophone ideological america VERY much a "city of jerusalem". total jews, these folk. 1615557;1487519493;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 << in related news, gbyers, the original systems guru of ccl, who responded to every "modernization" attempt with "sure, if you can explain me what's the point" stepped down. within a day, clozure cl was moved to github, with current list of "issues" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues. in case anyone was wondering "what happens when linus steps down" 1615558;1487519493;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 15:43 phf: so i push back on the guy, rme says "let's change subject", within minutes guy goes "it's late here i gotta go to sleep" 1615559;1487519569;mircea_popescu;myeah 1615560;1487519647;phf;guy who snatched mcclim from g_l, and who otherwise got a somewhat cold treatment from the ccl core before joined the channel the next day with "i guess i should subscribe to mailing list :)" 1615561;1487519675;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1615562;1487519751;mircea_popescu;oocl when ? 1615563;1487520151;phf;the wrecker must wreck, for as soon as he stops he becomes the wrecked. 1615564;1487520291;mircea_popescu;!~google "viermi neadormiti" 1615565;1487520293;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: A avea viermi ( neadormiți ) = a fi fi neastâmpărat, a nu-și găsi locul: ; Sfânta Evanghelie după Marcu :: Capitolul 9 - Biblia Ortodoxa: ; VIERME - Definiția din dicționar - Resurse lingvistice - Archeus.ro: (1 more message) 1615566;1487520299;mircea_popescu;hm. 1615567;1487520326;mircea_popescu;expression famously used by elena ceausescu wrt the general populace. very much in this line of exasperation, they'll chew everything these schmucks. 1615568;1487520357;mircea_popescu;it's the funny fate of people at the top of a socialist dictatorship to become very right wing ever as their populace drifts ever more into ustardism. 1615569;1487520365;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADA84AFFAA8CC77417EF485B4306614CDDCA484ECBFF3F0666C6B54CEC530F14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1464...2629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.80.113.52 (ssh-rsa key from 202.80.113.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip52.113.ez.net.id. ID JK) 1615570;1487520365;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADA84AFFAA8CC77417EF485B4306614CDDCA484ECBFF3F0666C6B54CEC530F14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1504...6199 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.80.113.52 (ssh-rsa key from 202.80.113.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip52.113.ez.net.id. ID JK) 1615571;1487520365;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68D7DA6C32B215EB8DE1DCC614A7650E8983D892EF2A36B75C31B75EBCDF80FA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1472...7739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.165.88.4 (ssh-rsa key from 72.165.88.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (azlink.monrovia.com. US) 1615572;1487520365;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68D7DA6C32B215EB8DE1DCC614A7650E8983D892EF2A36B75C31B75EBCDF80FA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...6377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.165.88.4 (ssh-rsa key from 72.165.88.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (azlink.monrovia.com. US) 1615573;1487520370;mircea_popescu;related to the discussion of how "bitcoin corrupts". 1615574;1487520586;phf;dormiti from dormire? sort of worms don't sleep? 1615575;1487520627;mircea_popescu;yes, unquenchable worms. 1615576;1487520748;mircea_popescu;(the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip) 1615577;1487520807;mircea_popescu;more or less a "there's no fucking end to the amount of chinese crap these idiots would """buy""" if they had credit cards. and no, there isn't. 1615578;1487521392;phf;meanwhile in the alternative, Zardoz future of computing http://68.media.tumblr.com/56069cfb482020c2a964a581385d99d2/tumblr_olj5dqSF5u1uu4f9zo1_500.jpg 1615579;1487521763;phf;i don't have a smart comment, "exasperation" is the correct term in this case. i'm looking in awe at the turnaround time though, some kind of "modernization" fast track right there 1615580;1487521822;mircea_popescu;nah, it's mostly because they're so unsubstantial. 1615581;1487521831;Framedragger;github as a service, 24h delivery, extra feature "project visual identity" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues/14 4free 1615582;1487521839;mircea_popescu;"what moves faster than clouds ?" "nothing really" "how come clouds haven't taken over the world ?" "but in their way... they have." 1615583;1487521894;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615576 << you meant, ~western~, neh? 1615584;1487521894;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 16:12 mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip) 1615585;1487521900;mircea_popescu;no. 1615586;1487521936;asciilifeform;on my globe, ru, ua, etc is east of ro. 1615587;1487521949;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1615588;1487521957;asciilifeform;and we had meat. more than modern usa.. 1615589;1487521978;*;mircea_popescu does the jewish armshake. 1615590;1487521992;phf;of course, the sum of all moves is insubstantial, but the totality is going to produce the gnupg effect. 5000 renames for 5 meaningful changes, meanwhile yet another project to add to naggum emacs archive 1615591;1487522261;asciilifeform;phf: every time you find one of these, i think 'holy shit, it was alive until now?!' 1615592;1487522426;mircea_popescu;phf why are you even getting back to dc in the first place ? 1615593;1487522475;mats;usg bombs another funeral party http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38989662 1615594;1487522549;mircea_popescu;justified ; their musical instruments weren't up to code. people are irresponsible, you could start a fire using the wrong kind of trumpet. and fire is dangerous, whole fucking party could die because of it. 1615595;1487522561;phf;i need to move a handful of things into storage, throw out the bulk and handover my apartment back to landlord. mostly i don't want to lose my books, but i'm going to split them between a handful of trusted locations 1615596;1487522584;mircea_popescu;works i guess 1615597;1487522848;asciilifeform;also bbc today: 'Viewpoint: Let's smash crime by scrapping big banknotes. The man who came up with "demonetisation" on whether India did it right.' 1615598;1487522860;mircea_popescu;heh 1615599;1487522887;mircea_popescu;it's funny though, the "advanced" "our" democracy superstate slowly decides that it doesn't WANT to do all the fundamental things it parasitized, such as cash supply. 1615600;1487522895;mircea_popescu;the "people will route around you" point is somehow not obvious. 1615601;1487522922;mircea_popescu;if i lived in india i'd strike gold rounds, with my face on one side and my crown on the other. and if the "indian our democracy" doesn't like it, they can eat hot ieds. 1615602;1487523042;mircea_popescu;Kingdom of India, rape all the bureaucrat 16yo daughters. sounds like a party. 1615603;1487523096;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9639BF7C77C0C1C6C8DC97BF567111B98430E83DF511DD1A4693F6586D9A66 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1661...9029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.131.59.189 (ssh-rsa key from 88.131.59.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SE) 1615604;1487523096;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9639BF7C77C0C1C6C8DC97BF567111B98430E83DF511DD1A4693F6586D9A66 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1695...3139 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.131.59.189 (ssh-rsa key from 88.131.59.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SE) 1615605;1487523212;phf;that's basically what they do her re strike gold rounds. according to a gold seller for an average indian wedding he sells roughly 2kg worth of jewelry. he says that different sellers will have slightly different numbers (based on how prestigious they are), but he's sort of in the middle of normal distribution 1615606;1487523217;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure usd currently fills the 'gold mircea_popescu dubloon' niche there, just as in other orclands 1615607;1487523296;phf;three biggest stores downtown: wedding saris, a department store with everything, 6 storied gold vendor 1615608;1487523299;mircea_popescu;a properly minted gold coin would be worth about $1500 1615609;1487523373;mircea_popescu;phf yeah. gold was already "A problem" in the soviet meaning of the term in india. with this idiocy, they're making it a fully gold standard place. 1615610;1487523373;mircea_popescu;if it weren't so fucking hot i'd go actually. 1615611;1487523420;phf;every bank has a "gold loan" department, presumably to pawn the wedding jewelry on the as needed basis. you see this dynamic as you step of the airplane. the idea that currency ban hits anyone but the poorest of the poor is ridiculous. 1615612;1487523547;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what they;re thinking. 1615613;1487523591;asciilifeform;phf: the wedding trinkets -- are of pure gold? 1615614;1487523596;asciilifeform;or alloy 1615615;1487523606;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BE32AE9463A4BD3735F0D5965C7D7DEBDDA8ECCB6AAC0916D8B7F9EA09D2B284 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1709...4493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.42.194 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.42.194 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (qq194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1615616;1487523606;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BE32AE9463A4BD3735F0D5965C7D7DEBDDA8ECCB6AAC0916D8B7F9EA09D2B284 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...7833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.42.194 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.42.194 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (qq194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1615617;1487523618;mircea_popescu;well, jewelry gold. pure gold is not handle-able. 1615618;1487523661;phf;asciilifeform: 18k+ 1615619;1487523670;asciilifeform;neat 1615620;1487523688;phf;based on what it is. if it's supposed to cary a stone of some sort, 18, then goes up 1615621;1487523769;phf;you can walk in, ask for a theme, and you're going to be presented with a range of crude looking trinkets, the kind that you would see as costume jewelry in the "little princess" corner of the store 1615622;1487523798;phf;except at 22k, sold by weight 1615623;1487523840;mircea_popescu;sounds about right. 1615624;1487523853;mircea_popescu;land of the fucking gypsies what more can be said. 1615625;1487523859;phf;^ 1615626;1487523871;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey it beats 'land of 401k' 1615627;1487523881;mircea_popescu;i wasn't proposing that as a substitute lol. 1615628;1487523898;mircea_popescu;fortunately cunts of all subcultures work. the rest... 1615629;1487523900;mircea_popescu;whatever. 1615630;1487524548;thestringpuller;!~later tell danielpbarron done 1615631;1487524548;jhvh1;thestringpuller: The operation succeeded. 1615632;1487525220;phf;unrelatedly, someone ported franz's clim2 to ccl, but instead of using ffi to motif backend, they used an original generas clx backend, that is still there. the result is ugly, broken on mac's x11, but works, and potentially could be improved and optimized by interested parties. http://glyf.org/screenshots/clim2-clx.png 1615633;1487525714;asciilifeform;phf: interesting -- what, gotta wonder, did crapple mutilate, to result in this 1615634;1487525735;*;asciilifeform laboured under the possibly naive impression that x11 was 'in stone' for eons 1615635;1487525863;phf;i'm not sure, but i remember you have to put a handful of magic incantations to live fix clx on genera to make it connect to crapple's x11 1615636;1487525880;thestringpuller;!#s thinking man's doom 1615637;1487525880;a111;2 results for "thinking man's doom", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thinking%20man%27s%20doom 1615638;1487525910;thestringpuller;have to wonder did asciilifeform play thief? 1615639;1487525926;phf;but judging by the nature of damage, it's probably somewhere in the SHAPE extension 1615640;1487525937;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: of course 1615641;1487525949;phf;actually, no, shape is for cutting windows 1615642;1487525982;asciilifeform;in re earlier lulz, https://archive.is/xXiAF >> 'Today her total expenses average more than $300,000 a month for the product, plus around $30,000 for cabs, cell phones, rent for various safe houses, and other administrative costs. She makes a profit of $27,000 a week. “I like seeing a pile of cash in my living room,” she says.' 1615643;1487526008;asciilifeform;'The Green Angels, she tells me, are selling a fantasy of an attractive, well-educated, presentable young woman who wants to get you high—a slightly more risqué Avon lady. Not all of the Angels are working models, but they are all young and attractive. In eight years, they have never been busted by the cops. The explanation is simple: Good-looking girls don’t get searched.' 1615644;1487526163;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i must say. when I put 40 hours into the first thief over vacation, definitely repeated that phrase to myself a lot: "thinking man's doom" such an apt three word description for the game. 1615645;1487526934;mats;this chick pays way too much for pot from cali she could be getting from maine, vermont, new hampshire, ... 1615646;1487526979;mats;amateur hour, this, shipping bulk pot through fucking fedex 1615647;1487527061;mats;you can afford rent for safe houses but can't be fucked to develop a connect in the northeast? and drive the stuff down like sane people? 1615648;1487527192;thestringpuller;people grow good weed on the east coast? 1615649;1487527194;thestringpuller;news to me 1615650;1487527340;mats;correct 1615651;1487527460;trinque;people grow weed everywhere there are buildings 1615652;1487528173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sounds a lot like someone read trilema on the topic lel. 1615653;1487528256;mircea_popescu;mats the newspaper version of everything will be braindamaged. ever read any "science" from nature etc ? 1615654;1487528309;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller weed is a swamp thing not a desert thing. grows best in wash dc. 1615655;1487528365;trinque;I'm going to aim the deeds service at #trilema-trinque for a few minutes to test. 1615656;1487528399;trinque;the rewrite of the bot is launching shortly 1615657;1487528410;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1615658;1487528432;trinque;looks like everything works, but we'll see what chaos says 1615659;1487528440;trinque;I'll be around all day. 1615660;1487528629;mats;mircea_popescu: yes, isn't nature one of the better 'open access' journals? 1615661;1487528691;mircea_popescu;better in the sense that better than hawker. 1615662;1487529059;mats;in other zoo news, brooklyn musician lives in crawl space http://archive.is/zVq6o 1615663;1487529136;mircea_popescu;this is shockingly common. girl's schoolmate went to posh art school, ran out of dough, moved into one of her sculptures. 1615664;1487529236;mats;'performance art' 1615665;1487529249;mircea_popescu;word. 1615666;1487529374;trinque;!!key trinque 1615667;1487529375;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4.asc 1615668;1487529379;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot trinque 1615669;1487529380;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 6 by 6 connections. 1615670;1487529382;trinque;great. 1615671;1487529399;trinque;that's done. anyone having trouble, let me know. 1615672;1487529406;hanbot;test tx via trb using sendtoaddress fails to send diddly squat, meanwhile @ blockchain.info: transaction rejected by our node. Reason:Script resulted in a non-true stack: [] 1615673;1487529425;mircea_popescu;txid ? 1615674;1487529439;hanbot;ea58f22fe5bbb4f42edb8be90a37f98b57af12007f7620f7ab94111a06ff3ebb 1615675;1487529485;mircea_popescu;lmao i see it 1615676;1487529502;mircea_popescu;i also see 7fa9eb8297e7547e8ab24a7ac49197197cb312364436ba7ac31b61822059f531 which doublespends it 1615677;1487529510;mircea_popescu;i'd say blockchain.info broken infrastructure ? 1615678;1487529528;mircea_popescu;(the dblspend is included 5 blocks ago) 1615679;1487529554;mircea_popescu;reported by the miner that included it, as best i can tell. 1615680;1487529635;hanbot;!~bcstats 1615681;1487529637;jhvh1;hanbot: Current Blocks: 453792 | Current Difficulty: 4.40779902286E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 455615 | Next Difficulty In: 1823 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 27 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1615682;1487529676;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes can bcstats be moved to mimi or notrly ? 1615683;1487529699;hanbot;eh. my node is current and doesn't see it, inasmuch as amt's still held. 1615684;1487529723;mircea_popescu;what do you mean amt's still held ? 1615685;1487529793;hanbot;i mean the amt sent to non-trb wallet is still included in trb wallet. 1615686;1487529819;mircea_popescu;i don't think trb updates your wallet balance in this case. it updates it when it sends something, it doesn't rescan for doublespends. 1615687;1487529841;mircea_popescu;the receiver should see it ; the sender has nfi what happened, rescan will fix. 1615688;1487529850;hanbot;oh goodie. 1615689;1487529959;hanbot;say, i've also got a paytxfee reset to zero (was set last run)...what's this, also doesn't update w/o rescan, or wants a setting every run? 1615690;1487530027;mircea_popescu;i'm not entirely sure, but afaik trb still imports original satoshi assumptive boneheadedness in that it will not consider tx updating its own wallet which it didn't issue itself. 1615691;1487530085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: option -rescan 1615692;1487530093;mircea_popescu;i said that. 1615693;1487530141;asciilifeform;( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0565 << mechanism ) 1615694;1487530494;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider publishing your tx debugger as a trb patch ? (the thing that lets mircea_popescu answer questions like 'where is ea58f22fe5bbb4f42edb8be90a37f98b57af12007f7620f7ab94111a06ff3ebb ?' ) 1615695;1487530507;mircea_popescu;you know she just poked me with the same thing ? 1615696;1487530513;hanbot;aha. and lol yeah. 1615697;1487530517;asciilifeform;well yes, i am eating the l0gz 1615698;1487530816;asciilifeform;hanbot: settxfee ( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0472 ) can be used to adjust a running node without restart 1615699;1487530931;asciilifeform;ftr i see nTransactionFee as an idiocy, and imho the thing ought to demand the fee amount as a second argument to sendtoaddress 1615700;1487530939;mircea_popescu;quite. 1615701;1487530939;hanbot;yes. 1615702;1487530957;mircea_popescu;the idea though is that you'd want to pay the same per kb for a whole period. 1615703;1487530981;mircea_popescu;not a particularly bright idea - for one thing you may wish to prioritize txn 1615704;1487531017;*;asciilifeform leans in direction of manual reactor control 1615705;1487531028;mircea_popescu;hands CAN get tired you know 1615706;1487531145;BingoBoingo;^ When was the last time anyone coped with a coping saw? 1615707;1487531173;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: me. just last month. 1615708;1487531217;BingoBoingo;And how were hands? Would you be seeking an alternative if answer was yesterday and every day since last month? 1615709;1487531244;asciilifeform;actually if i did it every day, would have titanic hands and 0 complaints 1615710;1487531258;mircea_popescu;lol 1615711;1487531265;mircea_popescu;homunculus hands! 1615712;1487531280;BingoBoingo;But tiny carpal tunnels! 1615713;1487531454;BingoBoingo;Sawing is fine good fun. Coping is the sort of task that lead to Doctor's adminishions to stop doing that and repetitive stress injury. 1615714;1487531479;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack, ftr trb still does not have a tx debugger. when, e.g., mircea_popescu, asks me 'have you seen tx T', all i have is to grep the log barf 1615715;1487531496;mircea_popescu;i am not against trb having a debugger 1615716;1487531563;asciilifeform;way it oughta work is, say, 'findtx ' and we get, e.g., ' is nth in block B', or is in mempool', or ' not seen', in all but the last case followed by hexdump 1615717;1487531607;mircea_popescu;way it ought to work starts with finely dispersed listeners throughout the network, which i hesitate to place as a "every lord should have" type of obligation in 2017, but will eventually become 1615718;1487531611;mircea_popescu;because the blind can't rule, as it were. 1615719;1487531639;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does 'dispersed listener' differ from 'run many nodez, and they gotta have tx debugger' ? 1615720;1487531660;mircea_popescu;well not substantially. except if "run many nodes" is done by idiot, spins up 500 aws instances. 1615721;1487531678;asciilifeform;all aws vm are 1 node as far as asciilifeform is concerned 1615722;1487531693;asciilifeform;'if they all had but one neck' (tm) (r) 1615723;1487531698;mircea_popescu;this sounds shockingly dumb when stated, but then again in point of fact average usian has "many sources of information : reddit, wikipedia, six different fake news outlets + nature!" 1615724;1487532064;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when you wrote 'listener', i wondered if it meant something specialized and passive, a sort of pseudonode. 1615725;1487532200;asciilifeform;in other lulz, heathendom https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 sees 9 trb nodez. 1615726;1487532265;asciilifeform;^ these include strictly those folx who built with versionstring knob. or rather, some quite arbitrary subset thereof (i.e. those not in a black hole atm) 1615727;1487532521;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615717 << i gotta wonder what the folx without 1+ working trb node, think they are doing. 1615728;1487532521;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 19:13 mircea_popescu: way it ought to work starts with finely dispersed listeners throughout the network, which i hesitate to place as a "every lord should have" type of obligation in 2017, but will eventually become 1615729;1487532837;asciilifeform;(and i will add: 1 is quite certainly insufficient, and 2 -- just ~barely~ enough -- to have real-time access to the network) 1615730;1487532848;mircea_popescu;yes, because you don't want to commit the serious resources needed for a node on each of these boxen. 1615731;1487532942;mircea_popescu;gotta distinguish between push and pull sort of needs, also. if you want to know "what is x" you want something substantially different from wanting to "let everyone know y" 1615732;1487532958;mircea_popescu;exactly mirroring the signed/encrypted thing in tmsr. 1615733;1487532966;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the correct way to make pseudonodes. way i see it is, it should still maintain a cache of recent blocks, and have a backhaul to mothership controlled by owner to request signed block checksums, and whole blocks if cache does not find; rather than accepting crapolade from randos 1615734;1487532982;mircea_popescu;there is some value in accepting crapolade from randos. 1615735;1487532993;asciilifeform;accepting -- possible; acting on -- none whatsoever 1615736;1487532996;mircea_popescu;but this is also where heterogenicity of implementation is a major republican asset. 1615737;1487533068;mircea_popescu;the reason i hesitate to publish the extensive mp alien techs wrt bitcoin infrastructure isn't simply the sheer size ; nor merely the political consideration of, "hey, there's a lot of value in enemy not actually knowing what mp capabilities are -- as widely exemplified in the public sphere by the march cartel trampling among who knows what private adventures" 1615738;1487533076;asciilifeform;let's say 'pseudonode' is that which one makes, if you have 1,001 boxes with acceptable bandwidth, but small disk. (e.g., a botnet.) 1615739;1487533089;mircea_popescu;but actually the fact that i think we'd lose out on a lot of value by not doing the v-tron thing here. 1615740;1487533111;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was pretty clear when you explained it here to asciilifeform during the july '15 events. 1615741;1487533124;asciilifeform;the example with the horse. 1615742;1487533184;mircea_popescu;myeah 1615743;1487533185;*;asciilifeform for some reason failing to turn it up in the l0gz 1615744;1487533379;asciilifeform;i will however note that my original vtron ~was~ openly published. 1615745;1487533461;asciilifeform;some wunderwaffen work best in the field; others -- sitting in the vault. 1615746;1487533473;asciilifeform;!#s fleet in being 1615747;1487533474;a111;7 results for "fleet in being", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fleet%20in%20being 1615748;1487535457;mircea_popescu;tru 1615749;1487537708;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aye, reasonabru. i'll probably kill the web stuff and make the thing irc-only. not going to happen immediately, still planning out data collection system 1615750;1487538286;ben_vulpes;from kakloandia: http://disobedientmedia.com/ngo-fleet-bussing-migrants-into-the-eu-has-ties-to-george-soros-hillary-clinton-donors/ 1615751;1487538312;ben_vulpes;kaloandia, heh. cloacaland? 1615752;1487539261;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/dickjerky/ 1615753;1487540584;mod6;The unusually warm weather provided me a banner day of hunting. Got seven myself. http://www.mod6.net/hunting_20170219.jpg 1615754;1487540644;asciilifeform;those look delicious 1615755;1487540967;mod6;they are tasty, indeed. 1615756;1487541612;*;asciilifeform reports a successful replication of mod6's recipe http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html , 'offline' variant, using his vtron etc. took exactly 40 minutes from the instance of making an empty dir to do it in, to having <5MB finished binary in my hands. 1615757;1487541663;asciilifeform;congrats to mod6 and the other folx who massaged this. 1615758;1487541669;mod6;awesome, thanks for testing! 1615759;1487541673;mod6;o7 1615760;1487541930;asciilifeform;and this was on an ancient and quite slow box, even. 1615761;1487542019;asciilifeform;considering that this builds toolchain, gcc, linux kernel, busybox userland (currently unused), then trb deps, and then trb... 1615762;1487542022;asciilifeform;pretty decent. 1615763;1487542185;mircea_popescu;ha nice going mod6 1615764;1487542223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, it's glorious to watch. i would say we have a complete, reliable and quite elegant solution to the original mandate 1615765;1487542309;mircea_popescu;ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-05#1225522 1615766;1487542309;a111;Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard". 1615767;1487542377;mircea_popescu;16 months is RIDICULOUSLY quick for something of this magnitude. 1615768;1487542715;mircea_popescu;(and of course it's only 16 months in a very loose measuring, original v was published the very same month) 1615769;1487542957;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Trash_Dove 1615770;1487543393;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ha nice going mod6 << Thanks! & Thanks to all who helped in the effort. 1615771;1487543415;mircea_popescu;nice quarry too! 1615772;1487543452;*;trinque tips hat 1615773;1487543498;mircea_popescu;myeah, to borrow alfism, it's unclear what the megawatt of iron folk would have even done re this. it's not, afaik, a matter approacheable by corporate america. 1615774;1487543510;mircea_popescu;as in, apple "could buy russia", but can't v in a year. 1615775;1487543510;mod6;mircea_popescu: today was a gift. usually never hunt by this time of year -- too cold, too much snow in the fields. 1615776;1487543523;mircea_popescu;snow is great for pheasant no ? 1615777;1487543560;mod6;doesn't leave a lot for cover for the birds. we hunt in the snow, until it becomes un-walkable. once i did through 3-4 ft. drifts, and nearly had a cardiac event. 1615778;1487543583;mod6;so now, i only go up to 1 ft, then I call it for the season. gets hard on the dogs too. 1615779;1487543585;mircea_popescu;heh there is that 1615780;1487543661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, mod6 : next mega-advance will probably be to make it self-reproducing - i.e. to shit out a bootable hdd with itself. i experimented with this in the pogo era but hung up at the time on buildroot freezing, which was since solved by mod6 1615781;1487543668;asciilifeform;so now it is quite doable 1615782;1487543674;BingoBoingo;mod6 asciilifeform mircea_popescu or hanbot care to qntra up this milestone? 1615783;1487543697;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mod6's thing worked for a while now 1615784;1487543705;mircea_popescu;it's kinda covered in teh foundation reports... but maybe an interview format thing'd be a good idea 1615785;1487543709;asciilifeform;i'm just slow to eat 1615786;1487543737;BingoBoingo;Well covered in reports, but interview or walkthrough would be welcome. 1615787;1487543764;mircea_popescu;it's not an event is what he means. was a thing for a while now, it's just incidentally been brought up 1615788;1487543770;asciilifeform;(at one time, buildroot demanded net access to work) 1615789;1487543770;BingoBoingo;The things about the reports is the proceed piecemeal into thing like channel epihany today 1615790;1487543782;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1615791;1487543830;BingoBoingo;eventually all those little steps add up into "Holy Shit" good enough lesser people would stamp "done" and quit 1615792;1487543848;asciilifeform;and yes, i revved up a fully mod6tronic trb to have what to patch against, my working copies are quite dated 1615793;1487543911;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu provoked again my ancient itch for a tx debugger 1615794;1487543923;mircea_popescu;well, that's prolly next mega-project. 1615795;1487543937;mircea_popescu;some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project. 1615796;1487543979;asciilifeform;for now it'd be useful to simply be able to ask a proper node to search mempool and recent blocks 1615797;1487544023;mircea_popescu;yes. 1615798;1487544033;mircea_popescu;though... you probablty don't want to ask the node. 1615799;1487544046;mircea_popescu;curious how davout 's work on splitting function is coming along btw 1615800;1487544051;mircea_popescu;anyone looking into that ? 1615801;1487544054;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> it's kinda covered in teh foundation reports... but maybe an interview format thing'd be a good idea << yeah, I like the idea. 1615802;1487544102;mod6;i haven't heard on davout's progress recently. 1615803;1487544166;mod6;testing on the new V seems to be going well, probably will publish next month. 1615804;1487544192;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project. << yeah, many exciting things are starting to open up. 1615805;1487544247;ben_vulpes;"mostly reading" last time i spoke to himi on the topic 1615806;1487544250;ben_vulpes;him* 1615807;1487544258;ben_vulpes;which, more of that please. 1615808;1487544260;mircea_popescu;can't fault a man for that. 1615809;1487544281;*;asciilifeform has been experimenting with a proggy that 'rides' a trb node, and takes over all comms with outside world 1615810;1487544282;mod6;yeah, that project will take much thought and consideration. i applaud that approach. 1615811;1487544306;mod6;asciilifeform: cool 1615812;1487544341;asciilifeform;mod6: it was suggested by mircea_popescu at one time. but i can't seem to recall which thread 1615813;1487544383;asciilifeform;it was in one of the discussions re 'how to cut apart' 1615814;1487544403;mircea_popescu;last month or somesuch, you used the word condom 1615815;1487544480;asciilifeform;ada proggy, speaks the protocol as defined by trb; but does not attempt to verify blocks, instead uses its 'horse' (trb node it rides) as an oracle 1615816;1487544630;mod6;ah, yes. very cool. how's ada going for ya? I've only recently dipped my toe in that water. 1615817;1487544672;asciilifeform;mod6: working through the spark b00k presently 1615818;1487544729;asciilifeform;( mccormick, 2015 ) 1615819;1487544776;mod6;ah, thanks. 1615820;1487544818;mircea_popescu;2017 is one helluva year. 1615821;1487544896;BingoBoingo;2017 is better with lollerRanger latest candidate release notes https://archive.is/Q5oD4 1615822;1487544901;BingoBoingo;Prune moar pls 1615823;1487544925;mircea_popescu;they got a problem, blockchain hasn't fit on any tablet apple markets for a year 1615824;1487544929;mircea_popescu;now it's falling off thumbdrives also 1615825;1487545004;asciilifeform;mod6: iirc crapple never permitted any actual btc client on its nintendostore 1615826;1487545014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ rather 1615827;1487545043;BingoBoingo;Also "assumed-valid blocks"!?! 1615828;1487545055;mircea_popescu;lmao 1615829;1487545072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but they're cool kids, they patch 1615830;1487545107;asciilifeform;mod6: the bulk of what takes 'getting used to' in ada is not the syntax, but the forced sanity, e.g. you get (grudgingly) a malloc, but not a free! idea being, you get to pick a memory footprint and LIVE in it 1615831;1487545136;asciilifeform;keep racks of item around, re-use 1615832;1487545158;asciilifeform;eliminates fragging, use-after-frees 1615833;1487545173;asciilifeform;but a serious adaist avoids using heap at all! 1615834;1487545211;asciilifeform;creates all of the items the program will need in its life, on the stack at boot. 1615835;1487545258;asciilifeform;(language has features that make this practical, such as discriminated-records) 1615836;1487545463;asciilifeform;the other interesting bit is the task system. language was designed from the ground up to have sane concurrency. can make 'throwaway' processes , that pass data in intrinsically safe ways 1615837;1487545654;mircea_popescu;now that's cool. 1615838;1487545915;mircea_popescu;"PRB should also work on most other Unix-like systems but is not frequently tested on them." 1615839;1487546033;mircea_popescu;ahaha. so basically... they give up, right ? unix-like ie 100% of the net infrastructure. prb is officially a toy, not to be run seriously. 1615840;1487546129;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615687 << fwiw, receiving wallet does see amt sent. meanwhile trb restarted with -rescan shows same balance as before, which we now realize *had changed* following transaction just...not by amt sent. to wit, listtransactions sees original balance, sees correct sent amt with fee, nevertheless balance via getinfo has mystery-difference. which shows as a negative, and only value, via listaccounts. 1615841;1487546129;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 18:44 mircea_popescu: the receiver should see it ; the sender has nfi what happened, rescan will fix. 1615842;1487546150;mircea_popescu;lol dat wallet. 1615843;1487546276;hanbot;you figure this wallet in particular has a pox? 1615844;1487546362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like they meant 'unixlikes other than linux and crapple' 1615845;1487546377;asciilifeform;(going by the linked piece) 1615846;1487546405;mircea_popescu;other than ubuntu and crapple you mean ? 1615847;1487546429;mircea_popescu;half the piece is about dumbass half-transparent overlays and making me a sandwich while shutting the fuck up. 1615848;1487550142;danielpbarron;https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber >> they said that I didn't show any signs of an upward career trajectory. I pointed out that I was publishing a book with O'Reilly, speaking at major tech conferences, and doing all of the things that you're supposed to do to have an "upward career trajectory", but they said it didn't matter and I needed to prove myself as an engineer. 1615849;1487550664;shinohai;https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d37a36d0-7d4e-3ebe-aa76-98dcc04f01ca/sheriff's-report%3A-paramedics.html 1615850;1487550674;shinohai;^ for BingoBoingo 1615851;1487551184;mircea_popescu;who could have guessed doing with the gab isn't doing something! 1615852;1487552975;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron surprising no one, a) there was exactly no work done by the "engineering" company uber, at any point and b) piles of worthless bureaucratys each trying to use their own brand of identity politicsw to "get on top" 1615853;1487553025;mircea_popescu;us "tech sector" is basically the bros vs the cheerleading sluts vs the librarian dorks vs the etc highschoolorama. 1615854;1487558194;BingoBoingo;In other news that isn't yet qntr'd the threshold, in 3 short years ESPN went from Disney cash cow to open hemorrage 1615855;1487558380;BingoBoingo;This leaves Disney with Superheroes, Star Wars, and Tim Allen 1615856;1487558744;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: you forgot theme parks and child labor 1615857;1487558766;thestringpuller;oh and frozen. don't expose your kids to it. 1615858;1487558794;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Those are just marketing 1615859;1487558852;thestringpuller;i forget what ended up happening with the pixar cash cow, I always though stuff like Frozen, Wreck It Ralph, etc. were push to reclaim territory 1615860;1487558874;BingoBoingo;They annuitized Pixar 1615861;1487558928;thestringpuller;well put: "the angry divorcee of disney" 1615862;1487563356;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08300171A070171A36BF13F095DAC6DF889B9F581B7DB4D7430256331BD2A8AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1233...7629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown NL) 1615863;1487563356;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08300171A070171A36BF13F095DAC6DF889B9F581B7DB4D7430256331BD2A8AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1285...6919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown NL) 1615864;1487564138;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CAAD24848594307C9E3EFE6890B0BD1B9792D2613D4F7D7A387ACDF461F8500D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1405...3629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.115.128.129 (ssh-rsa key from 187.115.128.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (alfran2.com.br. BR) 1615865;1487564139;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CAAD24848594307C9E3EFE6890B0BD1B9792D2613D4F7D7A387ACDF461F8500D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1661...8977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.115.128.129 (ssh-rsa key from 187.115.128.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (alfran2.com.br. BR) 1615866;1487568390;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/nz-high-court-kim-dotcom-extradition-eligible/ << Qntra - NZ High Court: Kim Dotcom Extradition Eligible 1615867;1487597412;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9281FE60EB433A54E80933807A010D802EFCDE5130113E8C184DE8DAA9655B14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1687...7433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.217.8.3 (ssh-rsa key from 203.217.8.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (203-217-8-3.perm.iinet.net.au. AU TAS) 1615868;1487597412;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9281FE60EB433A54E80933807A010D802EFCDE5130113E8C184DE8DAA9655B14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1360...7737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.217.8.3 (ssh-rsa key from 203.217.8.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (203-217-8-3.perm.iinet.net.au. AU TAS) 1615869;1487601387;mircea_popescu;ok, rant time. idiots glued together two parts of fridge so it can't be properly cleaned. with caulk. which brought to mind the "hvac unit filled with expanding foam for no discernible reason", and i finally groked how these idiots think. 1615870;1487601419;mircea_popescu;see, the parts of that misfortunate fridge tray ARE CLEAR, and i guess they offended them in some way, so they prayed to science and applied the corresponding holy water : something clear. 1615871;1487601468;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the air conditioner gave them offense (through for instance piping old rush limbaugh shows in their head or who knows what the fuck similar psychogenic noise) so they prayed to religion and applied the corresponding holy water : something WITH AIR IN IT. because air conditioner. therefore expanding foam. 1615872;1487601480;mircea_popescu;fucking artist-priests the whole lot of them. 1615873;1487601572;mircea_popescu;(and if you send them packing it's of course going to be chaotic organisation and sexism, as per that susan fowler idiot yesterday.) 1615874;1487609914;BingoBoingo;Wow 1615875;1487610035;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C6A0DD80EAD64B92F9F4E59314CE37D9978732CF7076CBC7D13D16E0497DAF93 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1703...4457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '124.115.21.243 (ssh-rsa key from 124.115.21.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 61) 1615876;1487610035;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C6A0DD80EAD64B92F9F4E59314CE37D9978732CF7076CBC7D13D16E0497DAF93 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1766...7567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '124.115.21.243 (ssh-rsa key from 124.115.21.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 61) 1615877;1487610216;BingoBoingo;And I am guessing these idiot take this work as their sacred trabajo un minimo 1615878;1487611324;mircea_popescu;fo sho 1615879;1487611327;mircea_popescu;!!up simonpenner 1615880;1487611327;deedbot;simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes. 1615881;1487611917;mircea_popescu;incidentally, any python experts looking for a spot of work ? there's this side project opened up in eulora that's jus' perfect. 1615882;1487614903;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/russia-passes-saudi-arabia-in-crude-oil-production/ << Qntra - Russia Passes Saudi Arabia In Crude Oil Production 1615883;1487615128;mircea_popescu;dat "embargo" totally ruined russia and ousted putin. 1615884;1487615135;mircea_popescu;funny how it's not really mentioned anymore. 1615885;1487615410;BingoBoingo;Perhaps it's not malice or planning, but Alzheimers? 1615886;1487615447;mircea_popescu;or perhaps it's just systematic idiocy, "we'll chear for each of the 0 goals our team scores and keep silent / look away as the mean jocks of the other team do 100 touchdowns" 1615887;1487615465;mircea_popescu;cheer* 1615888;1487615524;BingoBoingo;I dunno, brain plaques seems plausible. All those 22 year olds with no member berries 1615889;1487615669;mircea_popescu;heh 1615890;1487616959;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6685 1615891;1487619749;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/20/the-eames-lounge-legacy-continues/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Eames Lounge legacy continues. 1615892;1487623484;*;ben_vulpes makes a note to write 'the emacs claw legacy continues' in two years 1615893;1487623521;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what's the gig? 1615894;1487623569;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes specified blender version has to have perfect exporter made to work with our cal3d/cs stack 1615895;1487623668;ben_vulpes;oh yeah, i've been halfway following teh saga of hanbot 1615896;1487623739;mircea_popescu;yeah. that. and you know, properly optimized to cut down on vertices and etc. 1615897;1487623756;mircea_popescu;a bit open-ended, i expect for the right guy it;s the door into eulora devteam. 1615898;1487623807;ben_vulpes;that's downright alluring 1615899;1487623816;mircea_popescu;alrighty, #eulora then 1615900;1487626305;BingoBoingo;!~later tell pete_dushenski Holy hell your child is growing fast 1615901;1487626306;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1615902;1487626886;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: to paraphrase big sean, kid woke up in beast mode. 1.5yo and 3ft tall lol 1615903;1487626938;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/blLVu << in other lulz. 1615904;1487626955;asciilifeform;^ reminiscent of mircea_popescu's pill against reddit 1615905;1487626998;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: must be all the organic 3-egg omelettes, yogurts, blueberries, and grapes kid eats. and that's just breakfast. 1615906;1487627264;BingoBoingo;AHA, protein, not wheaties! 1615907;1487627337;pete_dushenski;pff wheaties. might as well feed the kid booze. 1615908;1487627405;BingoBoingo;4srs 1615909;1487627422;pete_dushenski;in other proteins, breitbart claims to have overtaken espn and pornhub in traffix. 1615910;1487627469;pete_dushenski;pornhub needs more milo porn to keep up 1615911;1487627505;BingoBoingo;Well, the did what Newsmax et al wouldn't. They kept out the scammier ads 1615912;1487627576;pete_dushenski;maybe kellogg's will pull their ads from pornhub now. good for business! 1615913;1487627598;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski they have. 1615914;1487627642;mircea_popescu;the deplorables are taking over the media, it's a carnage. fox news + breitbart to replace cnn + nyt. 1615915;1487627688;pete_dushenski;fresh blood does the system good. like high altitude fitness training. 1615916;1487627707;BingoBoingo;Glenn Beck has to be pissing his panties. If only he would have limited himself to "respectable" advertisers like those deplorables! 1615917;1487627716;mircea_popescu;heh 1615918;1487627756;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a riot to read all the cuckacademics going on importantly about how "trump will radicalize the left". 1615919;1487627759;mircea_popescu;bitch... what fucking left ? 1615920;1487627769;mircea_popescu;the whole thing's this gimme party. no more gimme, no more left. 1615921;1487627780;mircea_popescu;somehow this obvious point escaped everyone's notice. 1615922;1487627817;mircea_popescu;try this yourself, wait for fat weirdo to start whining about being raped at a party, walk up to her and sucker punch her. just literally, knock her lights out. 1615923;1487627817;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: he has Tomi Lahren up his sleeve. 1615924;1487627825;mircea_popescu;then take notes who picks her off the floor. you'll be surprised. 1615925;1487627875;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Usually they get *left* on the floor 1615926;1487627918;pete_dushenski;lol 1615927;1487627959;mircea_popescu;right. 1615928;1487628019;BingoBoingo;No one wants to risk 6 months lost rehabbing a shoulder after fat weirdo stuggles against honest attempt a help 1615929;1487628031;*;trinque read some moaning this morning re: invoking 25th amendment, wont even link it 1615930;1487628037;*;mircea_popescu is going to totally go to all the "global warming" and other "science" conferences where actual academics and scientists go to discuss things, and be all you know, radicalized. 1615931;1487628043;trinque;was nyt or some other teenage girl's livejournal 1615932;1487628051;trinque;"white house needs a staff shrink!!!" 1615933;1487628058;mircea_popescu;supposedly all the current schmucks are "doing what they love" and will keep right on doing it in theface of no longer geting paid an arm and a leg 1615934;1487628095;mircea_popescu;im so fucking curious to see this. these ample armies of dedicated lefties, keeping on at their job and becoming radicalized. 1615935;1487628117;mircea_popescu;what fucking job ? that dork on uber laid the pie plain : all through fy 2016 uber "engineers" did no engineering. at all. 1615936;1487628129;ben_vulpes;while we're on the topic, "as leaks multiple, fears of america actually being less functional than egypt emerge": http://archive.is/Czazg 1615937;1487628142;mircea_popescu;all those "teams" + a coupla lords would buy them a log reader. 1615938;1487628153;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes aha. 1615939;1487628206;trinque;"Issandr El Amrani, an analyst who has written on Egypt’s deep state, said he was concerned by the parallels, though the United States has not reached authoritarian extremes." << oh, thanks for your sharp analysis issandr 1615940;1487628217;mircea_popescu;hasn't reached my foot. 1615941;1487628220;trinque;ah right nyt 1615942;1487628220;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: similarly to uber, google's 'autonomous car' 'engineers' were recently reported paid so much to leave the program that half retired and half went to start their own ventures along similar lines 1615943;1487628222;trinque;nothing to see here 1615944;1487628239;pete_dushenski;*reported to have been paid 1615945;1487628246;mircea_popescu;anyway, pretty much everyone in third world will notice the parallels, from socialist egypt to soviet romania. because GUESS FUCKING WHY\ 1615946;1487628259;mircea_popescu;make a regime of "the working man", end up with a regime of "the working man". duh. 1615947;1487628275;mircea_popescu;dis hystorey be so shizzle in de surprize man! 1615948;1487628326;mircea_popescu;as a minor point : by now whether the speaker calls the usa "us" or "america" makes for a rather decent heuristic. 1615949;1487628467;mircea_popescu;usually found in contexts like "Though American democracy is resilient enough to resist such clashes" or you know "the us dollar is resilient enough to weather any requirement for being actually backed by any kind of value". 1615950;1487628477;mircea_popescu;"america" teh pipedream 1615951;1487629524;pete_dushenski;in other mobilities, https://twitter.com/i/videos/833004494682218497 1615952;1487629549;pete_dushenski;^pangolin ftr 1615953;1487630121;BingoBoingo;In other news, the rumours an inuendo are that Deputy Chief of Staff Katie Walsh is likely on her way out and into handcuffs for leaking, Priebus and the rest of the establishment's future more tenuous than ever 1615954;1487630146;BingoBoingo;Not solid enough to Qntra yet 1615955;1487630158;mircea_popescu;aha. 1615956;1487630228;mircea_popescu;pretty funny how this bs fizzled. teh gawkerblishment figured it's going to "make trump look unpresidential" through "leaking everything!!!" then got walsh to say a few things out of line and ran the presses AS IF some sort of leakpocalypse had in fact occured. 1615957;1487630265;mircea_popescu;trump stonewalled them, the whole thing went nowhere, now he's going to make an example out of the woman retracing the "congrats on geting obama elected ; no black man will ever be president again he did such a shiot job of it" and it's yet another 1-0 for him. 1615958;1487630287;diana_coman;!!rate thestringpuller -1 he puts conditions on others for "being useful" despite no evidence of ever *doing* something useful 1615959;1487630289;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qHI75/?raw=true 1615960;1487630303;mircea_popescu;total and complete failure of the cuntlets to comprehend that what they "all agree" has utterly no power. 1615961;1487630314;diana_coman;!!v E9BE5BA981193B13FBD347AFDB6DC7833C15242596D121A34FF29D47389E05C9 1615962;1487630314;deedbot;diana_coman rated thestringpuller -1 << he puts conditions on others for "being useful" despite no evidence of ever *doing* something useful 1615963;1487630325;BingoBoingo;Seriously the first month of housecleaning has been very productive in White house 1615964;1487630342;mircea_popescu;lulz prices are way down over comedy goldmine oversupply. 1615965;1487630468;mircea_popescu;" Mr. Trump, apparently seeking to cut the intelligence community, State Department, and other agencies out of the policy-making process almost entirely, may have triggered a conflict whose escalation we are seeing" 1615966;1487630474;mircea_popescu;o hey MAY, may he! 1615967;1487630487;BingoBoingo;Great Again to you too! 1615968;1487630510;mircea_popescu;it must suck for the hundreds of thousands of idiots who read on trilema that they will be out a job and without the "career" back in 2014 discovering in 2017 that they are just about out of the job and there was no "Career" 1615969;1487630518;mircea_popescu;denialdenialdenialdenialdenialdenialdenialdenialdenialdenialV 1615970;1487630626;mircea_popescu;lettuce repeat http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ because hey. 1615971;1487630711;pete_dushenski;denial : not just a river in egypt, also a way of life for swamp establishment 1615972;1487630733;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski makes the reference to egypt in the nyt piece particularly amusing in the uninentional self-irony crit vein. 1615973;1487630741;pete_dushenski;aha 1615974;1487630749;pete_dushenski;:) 1615975;1487630774;mircea_popescu;should be fun to see what the feinberg report ends up looking like. 1615976;1487630801;mircea_popescu;"everyone BUT clinton ends up in jail. lelz." 1615977;1487630922;pete_dushenski;i'd like to see trump lock up all the usual wh suspects, have shillary swallow the key, then 'bin laden' her saggy ass in the indian ocean for maximum co[s]mic justice. 1615978;1487630980;mircea_popescu;anyway. for all the blather of resistence etc, they're pretty much doing the whole "do it to her! to it to jane!" room 101 routine. 1615979;1487631082;pete_dushenski;#resist is definitely failing at the byzantine general's / prisonner's dilemma 1615980;1487631100;mircea_popescu;i thought it was #nevertrump, did it get rebranded ? 1615981;1487631161;pete_dushenski;the sucker punched broad isn't much of a marketer. it's very loosely defined. there must be 100 hashtags by now, each with 15 retweets and therefore all equally legitimate. 1615982;1487631181;mircea_popescu;our democratits. 1615983;1487631192;ben_vulpes;bisect until success is evident on a branch, classic 1615984;1487631210;mircea_popescu;yea, classic in that it never works. 1615985;1487631219;pete_dushenski;#notourpresident is today's holiday special 1615986;1487631242;mircea_popescu;i read not-uro-president 1615987;1487631276;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: etc worked great! worth 1/10th of thing worth 1/17th of actual thing. 1615988;1487631306;pete_dushenski;make urope great again 1615989;1487631590;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1615990;1487631597;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1061.95, vol: 2350.72388913 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1041.2, vol: 3928.58203 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1064.5, vol: 6197.29374465 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1036.123308, vol: 3360.14050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1064.499, vol: 954.72521391 | Volume-weighted last average: 1053.01315656 1615991;1487631625;BingoBoingo;Awe, price still up but now China :( 1615992;1487631822;mircea_popescu;china ? 1615993;1487632053;ben_vulpes;ho ho, tumblr reads the logs. feed ouroubouros is now complete! http://whitecrayonz.tumblr.com/post/157495330836 1615994;1487632358;mircea_popescu;check that out. 1615995;1487632610;ben_vulpes;and while it is sad that gcaptain is now descended to reuters rebroadcaster, it is also amusing that the ngo's ferrying migs into the eu have finally caught widespread attention: http://archive.is/BQtrf 1615996;1487633016;mircea_popescu;200k seems an understatement. 1615997;1487633051;ben_vulpes;i wouldn't know where to start with the estimate 1615998;1487634657;mircea_popescu;http://www.archive.org/stream/processofgovernm00bentuoft#page/446/mode/2up << tlp reference, great reference. 1615999;1487635377;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Dragging because no withdrawals! http://qntra.net/2017/02/pboc-coordinates-action-among-chinese-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-again-anti-money-laundering-being-pushed/ 1616000;1487635612;mircea_popescu;heh 1616001;1487635783;*;asciilifeform picked up umd noosepaper, literally 9 of 10 articles are 'oh noez tritler' or 'not enough expulsions of accused fratrapists!' or similar 1616002;1487635825;asciilifeform;'student rally demands more diversity training' 1616003;1487635852;BingoBoingo;How are those headlines any different from last February's? (They aren't!) 1616004;1487635858;BingoBoingo;4 More Years!!! 1616005;1487635883;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: last year's had clitler-pushing 1616006;1487635915;BingoBoingo;Same flavor 1616007;1487636984;mircea_popescu;lol i'm sure STUDENTS demand more wasted money. 1616008;1487636991;asciilifeform;'students' 1616009;1487636995;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't hjappen to be the five pointless, witless susan fowlers at the uni. 1616010;1487637009;mircea_popescu;it's "students". you know, like dependopotamus' "children demand moar cheese" 1616011;1487637233;asciilifeform;5000 1616012;1487637240;asciilifeform;it's where ~most of the moneys go. 1616013;1487637315;asciilifeform;in other noose, https://archive.is/kHDKB << usg nails ru u.n. ambassador. 1616014;1487637351;mircea_popescu;it's pretty incredible that putin is sitting down for all this provocation. 1616015;1487637401;ben_vulpes;how's it so terribly obvious that this is a western nailgun job? 1616016;1487637412;mircea_popescu;un is in new york. 1616017;1487637493;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, us has been sending nothing but ex-cheerleaders/strippers. current one's a certain nikki do anything) 1616018;1487637659;ben_vulpes;so because it happened in the states the states did it? 1616019;1487637671;mircea_popescu;the usg will have to decide if it claims sovereignity or does not. 1616020;1487637677;mircea_popescu;if it does, it did it. if it does not, good to know. 1616021;1487637710;ben_vulpes;and because high-profile politician, natural causes rule themselves out? 1616022;1487637738;mircea_popescu;how many people do you know who died before 65 suddenly and from unknown causes ? 1616023;1487637750;ben_vulpes;mhm 1616024;1487637782;mircea_popescu;if guy;s a fucking baker with three mortgaqes insurance won't pay out 1616025;1487637784;mircea_popescu;this isn't a baker. 1616026;1487637790;BingoBoingo;At that age almost alway *known" natural causes 1616027;1487638471;mircea_popescu;anyway. i guess the russkis really want to finish the job with the sino-soviet split. 1616028;1487640231;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/tYLy1 << in other lulz, 'Search engine companies Google and Bing have signed up to a voluntary code of practice aimed at preventing users from visiting' 1337 w4r3z. 1616029;1487640312;ben_vulpes;> illegal sites 1616030;1487640329;ben_vulpes;a website can be illegal, dontcha know. 1616031;1487640353;ben_vulpes;preserve hollywood's eroding margins! outlaw basic arithmetic! 1616032;1487642585;mircea_popescu;"illegal" is rapidly becoming a set item with "our democracy" and "human rights" etc to simply denote the current embodiment of racism. 1616033;1487642597;mircea_popescu;"illegal" ie what non-ustards do outside the bezzlewalls. 1616034;1487649302;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B121F84D3C861137075F53C350BC101103595324AE305E09B1BBC3965252D1E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1356...6717 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.187.247.149 (ssh-rsa key from 78.187.247.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (v103.httpwork.org. TR) 1616035;1487649302;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B121F84D3C861137075F53C350BC101103595324AE305E09B1BBC3965252D1E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1561...6163 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.187.247.149 (ssh-rsa key from 78.187.247.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (v103.httpwork.org. TR) 1616036;1487652575;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-i/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part I 1616037;1487653303;asciilifeform;meanwhile, front page of today's beobachter was 'trump mentioned terrorism in sweden, swedes have no idea what he was on about' -- while cars burn in stockholm 1616038;1487653396;BingoBoingo;Malmo, more like Ma-lol-mo 1616039;1487653846;BingoBoingo;hanbot: ty for Henry the SADFAG 1616040;1487653852;BingoBoingo;!!up veen 1616041;1487653852;deedbot;veen voiced for 30 minutes. 1616042;1487653878;veen;greetings republicans 1616043;1487653888;veen;long-time listener, first-time caller 1616044;1487654046;BingoBoingo;Welcome, keep coming back. It works when you work it. 1616045;1487654058;BingoBoingo;Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1616046;1487654284;veen;i suppose today ben_vulpes is my honorary daddy, his doings are well-known in these parts 1616047;1487654503;BingoBoingo;Congrats ben_vulpes you've got another mouth to feed 1616048;1487654514;veen;i've been enjoying this little stitch-n-bitch from afar, thought i might indulge in the pick-a-little talk-a-little 1616049;1487654650;BingoBoingo;!!key veen 1616050;1487654651;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/1D025EF042F9A50A7159C01CF6AC75A1CE3415E4.asc 1616051;1487655029;BingoBoingo;brb 1616052;1487655437;veen;the cathedral commenting on milo's downright-clintonian, hair-splitting defense of his pederasty practice: 1616053;1487655454;veen;http://archive.is/QLSAy << "'Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13 years old who is sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty,' [Yiannopoulos] adds, dismissing the fact that 13-year-olds are children.” 1616054;1487655467;veen;> the fact 1616055;1487655944;mircea_popescu;well, historically pedophilia is a sort of homosexuality. it got a little coopted to mean "children", it really is little boys. 1616056;1487656096;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. just like "brits" have no idea what rotterham is all about. 1616057;1487656208;mircea_popescu;libertards' pipedream chiefly consists of this deranged notion that i must seek and obtain his permission to know things. it wasn't on wikipedia therefore it mayn't exist. 1616058;1487656271;mircea_popescu;!!key veen 1616059;1487656272;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/1D025EF042F9A50A7159C01CF6AC75A1CE3415E4.asc 1616060;1487656294;mircea_popescu;!!rate veen 1 maybe not retarded. 1616061;1487656295;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9hEUH/?raw=true 1616062;1487656707;veen;mircea_popescu: indeed, and milo understands this. the nyt's obstinate refusal to entertain the distinction is so very quaint 1616063;1487656722;mircea_popescu;which milo is this ? 1616064;1487656894;veen;milo, son of mr t., regent of brietbart, premier of getting deleted from twitter, &c, &c 1616065;1487656919;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-15#1201764 ? 1616066;1487656919;a111;Logged on 2015-07-15 01:53 danielpbarron: mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << reminds me of Milo from Catch-22 1616067;1487657127;mircea_popescu;oh the twitter famous dude. 1616068;1487657406;veen;aye 1616069;1487657622;mircea_popescu;oh btw ben_vulpes BingoBoingo watched (bout half hour of) cringe. it's basically http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/ except the junkie is "male" rather than "female". 1616070;1487657644;mircea_popescu;entirely beyond me why there'd be two of these seeing how there's no need for one. 1616071;1487662244;ben_vulpes;ohai veen 1616072;1487662310;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what is this cringe? 1616073;1487686216;mircea_popescu;crank 1616074;1487686675;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dja know the guy ? 1616075;1487689034;trinque;for all this crowing about "this is who I am", these milo types almost always got diddled as a kid by somebody. 1616076;1487689044;trinque;surely these things are unrelated. 1616077;1487689114;mircea_popescu;well... for all the crowing about "this is who i am", these heterosexual females almopst always got diddled as a kid by somebody also. 1616078;1487689123;mircea_popescu;kinda how womanhood becomes, neh ? 1616079;1487689128;mircea_popescu;"oh my god, AND HE HAS A CAR" 1616080;1487689225;trinque;sure, but I'm not asking the guy who lost the race what he thinks acceptable males look like 1616081;1487689384;mircea_popescu;i thought he's discussing what he thinks acceptable female-impersonating malkes look like 1616082;1487689403;mircea_popescu;then again i'm entirely unfamiliar with the no doubt extensive (in 140 byte increments) body of work in question. 1616083;1487689420;trinque;not missing anything 1616084;1487689469;trinque;!!rate veen 3 1616085;1487689471;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hasdQ/?raw=true 1616086;1487689484;trinque;!!v DD3472A1125220A83FDB9923181669D61BE07F317D0813F0561204D105AE9EFB 1616087;1487689484;deedbot;trinque rated veen 3 1616088;1487689519;trinque;^ gentleman in ben_vulpes' meatwot, smart fella. 1616089;1487689529;mircea_popescu;is this the $bizpartner in logs ? 1616090;1487689602;trinque;yep, I'll otherwise let ben_vulpes make intros 1616091;1487689680;mircea_popescu;well good you fellows said something, because $next out of my mouth was going to be something along the lines of "hey, since you're so voluble but clearly nontechnical, how about you write something for qntra". 1616092;1487689691;trinque;lol 1616093;1487689929;BingoBoingo;Hey, write something for qntra anyway before you go touching tech knobs 1616094;1487690226;mircea_popescu;not a bad approach altogether. 1616095;1487690273;mircea_popescu;should be a step in between "hi" and "ok, go write your own v implementation / log bot". "write the news, man" could work as well. 1616096;1487692741;ben_vulpes;aye, that's him 1616097;1487693195;ben_vulpes;runs a tight ship, i'm proud to serve with the man. 1616098;1487693223;mircea_popescu;so what's he, like the business mind in that cascadian outfit of yours ? 1616099;1487693309;BingoBoingo;He prolly does everything while ben_vulpes maeks baby and IRC's 1616100;1487693336;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder how you think babies are made bb. 1616101;1487693353;ben_vulpes;clearly you staple them together from human parts one finds at walmart 1616102;1487693376;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 1616103;1487693381;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: after four years of constant close collaboration we're pretty hot swappable 1616104;1487693411;mircea_popescu;how porny did that sound! 1616105;1487693448;ben_vulpes;it's real gay 1616106;1487693459;BingoBoingo; clearly you staple them together from human parts one finds at walmart << You spray a big glob of expanding foam and then gab hammer to smith glob into baby shape 1616107;1487693483;trinque;thought it was that pink slime they use at mcdonalds 1616108;1487693529;BingoBoingo;Pink slime spoils eventually, polyurethane endures. Makes weather resistant baby 1616109;1487693547;mircea_popescu;this discussion is oddly in line with the latest trilema. 1616110;1487693595;ben_vulpes;anyways, the man stands on his own feet. 1616111;1487693680;BingoBoingo;!~later tell veen Please 2 submit a Qntra piece on clozure's connections to the Pizza Pedos 1616112;1487693680;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1616113;1487693745;mircea_popescu;dude be seriouse! 1616114;1487693803;BingoBoingo;Gotta take Lord vulpes at his word! 1616115;1487693859;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: going to watch westworld instead of the statham crap anytime soon? 1616116;1487693891;mircea_popescu;i tried. meh. 1616117;1487693898;mircea_popescu;where ed harris / anthony hopkins go to die ;/ 1616118;1487693968;ben_vulpes;you didn't even like the whores?! 1616119;1487694025;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/mps-wonderful-primary-school-furniture-item-idea/ << Trilema - MP's wonderful primary school furniture item idea 1616120;1487694032;mircea_popescu;which whores ? 1616121;1487694208;ben_vulpes;a quick skim of something purporting to be a script for ep1 suggests they don't show up in episode one! 1616122;1487694262;mircea_popescu;you don't mean the rail skin bitchy dorks in the texas bar pretending to be "in the wild west" do you ? 1616123;1487694287;ben_vulpes;yeah dems 1616124;1487694299;hanbot;mircea_popescu would prolly like it better in reverse sequence, but damage's prolly done 1616125;1487694299;mircea_popescu;you've got to be kidding me. 1616126;1487694339;ben_vulpes;quite a bit of whorin and dyin 1616127;1487694345;mircea_popescu;here's the thing ben_vulpes : that item is contrived, badly, because made by people who have absolutely no life experience beyond the water cooler and no substantial understanding of anything, and i do mean anything, including their own feet. 1616128;1487694359;ben_vulpes;hanbot: alas 1616129;1487694387;mircea_popescu;now, to best explain this point, we will look at what lays closest to home. so : the relationship between the "machiavellian" advertising dork and the "professional" ceo woman or w/e she is 1616130;1487694394;mircea_popescu;DOES NOT WORK! 1616131;1487694438;mircea_popescu;there's a whole lot of bickering, pointless and evidently there for the needs of inept script writers who "we didn't know how to write for a woman", except thye don't know how to write for powerful people, or ambitious people, or in general people. notwithstanding they maintain delusions of belonging to some/all those categories. 1616132;1487694468;mircea_popescu;this same problem is present throughout. those whores don't work, at all, much like whatever engine your kid will make in two years won't work. 1616133;1487694501;mircea_popescu;what varies is how obvious it is, but at the core, the whole thing is someone's splooge spread out on a napkin pretending to be "an idea". it's not an idea, partly because it doesn't use ink, and partly because those aren't letters. 1616134;1487694535;asciilifeform;meanwhile, archive.is outage. 1616135;1487694546;asciilifeform;these are becoming a regular thing. 1616136;1487694550;mircea_popescu;lol that name is so well chosen. "archive.is outage!" 1616137;1487694806;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: oya, those are the worst scenes 1616138;1487694863;ben_vulpes;dunno who'd watch ww for anything other than the rape, titties, and watching the robots suffer through endless reincarnations sort-of remembering things 1616139;1487694903;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/mps-wonderful-primary-school-furniture-item-idea/#comment-121385 1616140;1487695142;mircea_popescu;would have helped if they didn't PUT the worst scenes in there at all. 1616141;1487695174;mircea_popescu;otherwise it's like going to a brothel where this petite asian DOES suck your cock on her knees looking up, however the whole place reeks of cabbage stu and there's a naggy old woman always heard in the background. 1616142;1487695207;asciilifeform;aaand it's back, https://archive.is/NsL47 << looks like usg tested $wunderwaffen on kjn ; then satisfied that 0 detection; then zapped ambassador churkin with same. 1616143;1487695291;mircea_popescu;possibru. 1616144;1487695291;asciilifeform;'Determining whether poison killed the half brother of North Korea’s leader in a busy airport is proving difficult for Malaysian officials, who said on Tuesday that autopsy results have so far been inconclusive. ... Kim did not suffer a heart attack and had no puncture wounds, such as those a needle would have left ... ' 1616145;1487695521;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it's an american cultural artifact ca. 2016; let us marvel that the scriptwriters were allowed to ship the scene where ed harris drags blondie into a shed by her hair 1616146;1487695553;mircea_popescu;i kinda went through a whole pile of this in the 80s, tyvm but i didn't think it was very good back then, either. 1616147;1487695569;mircea_popescu;i don't give a shit what half-assed performance dumbass delivers "within the constraints of her education" 1616148;1487695577;mircea_popescu;naked on the street, now. 1616149;1487695650;ben_vulpes;well see that's your problem, you have standards and a breadth of experience and shit 1616150;1487695660;mircea_popescu;yeah, that'd be it. 1616151;1487695666;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/bjvxr << oven candidates rehearse for oven 1616152;1487695677;ben_vulpes;all americans have is this vague conviction that nothing is good, and that some things are less shite than others. 1616153;1487696267;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/4WtAT << goes with previous. mr.t is being set up as '“The President’s sudden acknowledgement is a Band-Aid on the cancer of anti-Semitism that has infected his own administration,” Steven Goldstein, executive director of the Anne Frank Center ...' 1616154;1487696522;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is an anne frank center. 1616155;1487696526;trinque;Trump used a morning visit to the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture to offer his condemnation << wahaha, "what group of whiners is this again? oh whatever" 1616156;1487696530;mircea_popescu;we should probably make a barrack obama center. 1616157;1487696555;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they did, they called it 'museum of african american history' 1616158;1487696572;asciilifeform;massive brutalist box in formerly empty space near washington monument 1616159;1487696575;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what "they" think they did. 1616160;1487696579;mircea_popescu;we make it. proper-like. 1616161;1487696597;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jpFUQ/?raw=true 1616162;1487696597;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1616163;1487697468;mircea_popescu;and in other 2014s, http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/ 1616164;1487698495;asciilifeform;sooooooo.... ACHTUNG, PANZERS! i found ~one~ heretofore-undiscovered cause of black hole: 1616165;1487698510;shinohai;>.> 1616166;1487698553;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.6.1rc1#2691 << prb 0.6.1rc1 introduced a 'heartbeat' mechanism, where a prb node seeing ver. > 60000 ( see http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/version.h?v=0.6.1rc1#0045 ) sends 'pings' and expects back 'pong' 1616167;1487698597;asciilifeform;so they see trb set to, e.g., 99999 (as mine, for instance, are) and goes ping,ping,ping,motherfucker,ping,ping,whywontchapong 1616168;1487698617;asciilifeform;this soaks up precious single-threaded sockets... 1616169;1487698640;asciilifeform;box falls behind, loses peers, begins to sink into classical blackhole behaviour (as it gets dropped by everybody, including fellow trb nodes) 1616170;1487698697;mircea_popescu;i thought we had thread re filtering out prb pings 1616171;1487698702;asciilifeform;did we?! 1616172;1487698705;asciilifeform;link plox? 1616173;1487698707;mircea_popescu;ugh 1616174;1487698781;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu's old node declared 60000 compatibility. so it probably gets same treatment from prb peers 1616175;1487698822;asciilifeform;did it 'pong' back ? or drop'em ? or wat. 1616176;1487698846;mircea_popescu;well now i can't fucking find it. obviously. 1616177;1487698866;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it drops them. and i am pretty clearly remembering we talking about this in the early days of trb and foundation 1616178;1487698892;mircea_popescu;(it drops them = it simply discards the pings) 1616179;1487698900;asciilifeform;well we also right now discard the pings. 1616180;1487698910;asciilifeform;but what this results in is a deadweight peer 1616181;1487698919;asciilifeform;because ~he~ 1) sits on the socket + 2) won't talk 1616182;1487698928;asciilifeform;enough of these, and you get one type of blackhole. 1616183;1487698930;mircea_popescu;nah, the actual peer doesn't get them 1616184;1487698944;asciilifeform;he doesn't get a 'pong' back, and so sits there like idiot 1616185;1487698950;asciilifeform;doing nothing and occupying socket. 1616186;1487698973;asciilifeform;eventually he disconnects, but does not add us to his ban list, and so the process repeats, ad infinitum. 1616187;1487698992;mircea_popescu;we add him to ours though 1616188;1487699029;asciilifeform;we could. 1616189;1487699038;asciilifeform;could simply add anybody who emits a 'ping' to banlist. 1616190;1487699042;mircea_popescu;this pingdom thing is an inadvertent marker for cowboy node 1616191;1487699048;mircea_popescu;(ie, not infrastructural element) 1616192;1487699071;trinque;ping is not already considered a heathen command? 1616193;1487699171;asciilifeform;trinque: as a matter of fact, no: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#2097 << it was grandfathered in 1616194;1487699192;asciilifeform;in the sense that i left lines 2097..2099 live, when introduced 'malleus' 1616195;1487699215;asciilifeform;it is possible to remove'em, trivially. this will result in banning 'pingers' and a hard break with prbnet. 1616196;1487699246;trinque;ah yep, there it is 1616197;1487699272;mircea_popescu;it won't actually break with prbnet, mostly because prbnet is not actually run on prb nodes. they just connect to it. 1616198;1487699293;mircea_popescu;sort-of how apple doesn't run osx on whatever servers the ipads connect to. 1616199;1487699316;asciilifeform;whatthehell is 'prbnet' if not the swamp of prb nodes. 1616200;1487699405;mircea_popescu;"lightning network" 1616201;1487699422;*;asciilifeform not familiar 1616202;1487699475;mircea_popescu;basically sometime in 2014 the fake bitcoin dorks discovered that their "technology" doesn't work, and sort-of split it into "the working part" and "the frontend part". they evolved undesignedly sort-of independetly, now there's a shambling abomination and a writhing horror. 1616203;1487699507;mircea_popescu;at that point, the writhing horror (which you think of as prb) had about 10x as many loc as trb does ; by now it's 100x. 1616204;1487699541;mircea_popescu;the shambling abomination started life as this "optimization" by blue mat that others (esp the ones trying to have shit work, rather than engaged in pure github livejournalry) clung on to. but then it got discontinued 1616205;1487699552;mircea_popescu;so various almost working assemblaged got ad-hoced in its place. 1616206;1487699574;mircea_popescu;the poor situation of the shambling abomination is the deep reason for repeated humiliations delivered recently to blockchain.info for instance. 1616207;1487699579;mircea_popescu;it's approaching breaking point, evidently. 1616208;1487699711;mircea_popescu;as the "business" (in the sense of pretending to sv vc, that sorty of thing) portion of the larger prb ecosystem is running into a very marked bitcoin winter (recall, bitpay axed most of the crew a year ago), the ramen support for the "tech" side of prb (various mendacious scumbags like luke-jr, assorted imbeciles like taaki or that idiot who emailed the entire customer base the email addresses of the entire customer base, "p 1616209;1487699711;mircea_popescu;hantomcircuit") find it harder and harder to cling on to their pretense actively. 1616210;1487699737;mircea_popescu;ie, we survived summer of forks, wheel turned, now they hafta survive winter of dorks. dun look so well for them, but we see. 1616211;1487699762;mircea_popescu;i think that about covers it. questions ? 1616212;1487701081;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack, i set up tcpdump on blackholed dulap and recorded 1616213;1487701087;asciilifeform;found quite a few wtf 1616214;1487701103;asciilifeform;for instance, some nodes send 'multipings', 1616215;1487701111;asciilifeform;single message containing 3,4,5 pings ! 1616216;1487701150;asciilifeform;68.10.122.122 for instance. 1616217;1487701154;mircea_popescu;this is (at least by my lights) the result of running node on vps. interface optimizes the message on the outbound 1616218;1487701184;mircea_popescu;"gaming server" etc. 1616219;1487701202;asciilifeform;entirely possible 1616220;1487701225;asciilifeform;the other interesting tidbit is that a blackhole node is often spoken to (by would-be peers) but never once speaks 1616221;1487701255;mircea_popescu;if you recall during the original blackhole debate, this was the argument in favour of "at fault is the broken node code" 1616222;1487701263;asciilifeform;something that was sent to it, much earlier, gums up the works 1616223;1487701447;veen;BingoBoingo: at which address are qntra submissions accepted? 1616224;1487701545;mircea_popescu;veen do it like so : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616161 1616225;1487701545;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 17:03 shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jpFUQ/?raw=true 1616226;1487701784;shinohai;oooh a new Qntra contributor? 1616227;1487703150;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1616228;1487703151;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000248.html 1616229;1487703190;trinque;lel, was just building teh snip-snippy myself 1616230;1487703197;trinque;we'll see what it does to deedbot 1616231;1487703241;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/21/oh-coloured-wings-riding-winds-of-change-hello/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Oh coloured wings riding winds of change. Hello! 1616232;1487703379;mircea_popescu;trinque should be more interesting to see what it does to mimisbrunnr 1616233;1487703395;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do try the above patch, may actually bring you back above waterline. 1616234;1487703414;trinque;deedbot does lag time to time 1616235;1487703423;trinque;I just keep tabs on it and give it a restart when 1616236;1487703448;mircea_popescu;aha 1616237;1487703464;mircea_popescu;but he was benchmarking "who hears tx first" and that type of thing 1616238;1487703619;ben_vulpes;heh hadn't gotten to "who hears tx first", that'll need umpteen nodes to do properly unless i misread the situation. 1616239;1487703619;asciilifeform;dulap now operating with 'goodbye, pingers'. 1616240;1487703672;trinque;I wonder if it'd be useful for deedbot to say a txid when sending. 1616241;1487703705;trinque;for other folks to note time until seen 1616242;1487703731;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the sort of thing i had i nmind : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580799 1616243;1487703731;a111;Logged on 2016-12-09 22:55 ben_vulpes: blockchain.info falling behind? 1616244;1487703760;mircea_popescu;trinque can't hurt, if it knows its txid at that point 1616245;1487703767;asciilifeform;i will now also confirm that a goodbye-pingers node still receives blocks. 1616246;1487703780;ben_vulpes;neato asciilifeform, i will get this into rotation 1616247;1487703783;asciilifeform;kako can put this in his pipe, and smoke it. 1616248;1487703805;ben_vulpes;in re "nobody over there even does anything"? 1616249;1487703818;mircea_popescu;there's a pipe ? 1616250;1487703826;asciilifeform;in re 'if you won't talk to prb, you won't hear from miners' thing. 1616251;1487703834;ben_vulpes;ah 1616252;1487703837;trinque;seems to me you'd end up closer to miners 1616253;1487703842;trinque;circumventing the swamp 1616254;1487703859;ben_vulpes;no but no trinque miners run cutting edge stuff only 1616255;1487703860;mircea_popescu;prb.wh != prb.sa != miner.backbone 1616256;1487703941;mircea_popescu;originally, miner code got split off the main satoshi base sometime in 2011. there was a lot of back and forth between pre-trb prb node code and the node code miners used, but not that much in the past few years. 1616257;1487704001;asciilifeform;btw dulap will appear to be blackholed from pov of everybody else, for probably hour or more, as it is catching up with blocks 1616258;1487704016;asciilifeform;and, recall, single-threaded idiocy 1616259;1487704095;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, hn twofer: "don't tell anyone that tls doesn't even work" http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-and-mozillas-message-to-av-and-security-firms-stop-trashing-https/ and "sam altman looks outside" http://blog.samaltman.com/what-i-heard-from-trump-supporters 1616260;1487704106;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, jurov , and anybody else still running old prb nodes for whatever reasons of their own -- note that you will no longer be able to connect to dulap. (or to zoolag, when i patch it. or to anybody else who includes this patch.) 1616261;1487705267;asciilifeform;ProcessMessage(alert, 168 bytes) FAILED << lel, somebody still sending these 1616262;1487705278;asciilifeform;(they, like other nonsense, get malleus'd) 1616263;1487705325;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what's the alert they're trying to send? 1616264;1487705367;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'll answer this when i eat the current pcap 1616265;1487705384;asciilifeform;(it is very much a manual, batched process.) 1616266;1487705421;ben_vulpes;idle curiosity, don't let it block important stuffs 1616267;1487705459;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this is a slow-burning project of mine in its own right -- to determine what the fuck EXACTLY these things are doing, when they go 'blackhole' 1616268;1487705489;asciilifeform;and also to answer several other itching questions of mine 1616269;1487705511;asciilifeform;e.g., do new valid blocks come 'from everywhere', or consistently from a few places. 1616270;1487705520;ben_vulpes;also excellent question 1616271;1487705530;asciilifeform;or, how much time does trb node spend rejecting crapolade from same idiots again and again 1616272;1487705550;asciilifeform;or, what portion of tx are valid, and what portion -- obvious nonsense 1616273;1487705557;ben_vulpes;it should be doable to 'getpeers' from the nodes from which a trb gets a block and then attempt to traverse upstream, no? 1616274;1487705565;asciilifeform;or, what portion of mempool actually makes it into blocks 1616275;1487705598;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: getaddr 1616276;1487705602;asciilifeform;but yes, for instance. 1616277;1487705632;asciilifeform;to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks? 1616278;1487705643;asciilifeform;what portion of network bandwidth is taken up by crapola ? 1616279;1487705661;asciilifeform;is there a consistent set of peers who 'prank call' (dial and won't speak) ? 1616280;1487705683;asciilifeform;and a number of other conundrums, that really ought not to be conundrums this far in. 1616281;1487705704;ben_vulpes;feel free to jot the rest down lol 1616282;1487705717;asciilifeform;i have listed the imho most interesting, above. 1616283;1487705743;asciilifeform;other folx ( particularly mircea_popescu ) may also be interested in tx propagation, but i am unequipped to test this. 1616284;1487705759;ben_vulpes;i don't mind the arcana, it's what a holistic understanding's made of 1616285;1487705762;asciilifeform;(given as i generate a tx perhaps yearly) 1616286;1487707139;asciilifeform;in other lelz, 'The White House repeatedly refused to mention Jews in its Holocaust remembrance, and had the audacity to take offense when the world pointed out the ramifications of Holocaust denial.' 1616287;1487709001;asciilifeform;in other noose, as discussed earlier ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577994 ) >> https://archive.is/AVO23 << autodesk bought and destroyed 'eagle', the only fully functioning pcb cad for linux. 1616288;1487709001;a111;Logged on 2016-12-05 16:54 mircea_popescu: i can't even recall who was in cadsoft prior to sale. 1616289;1487710558;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/dream-market-yet-another-darknet-market-accounts-compromised/ << Qntra - Dream Market (Yet another Darknet Market) Accounts Compromised 1616290;1487711495;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Bastard 0.7 ish node corrected will patch trb nodes at convenient time, tyvm 1616291;1487712105;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1616292;1487712110;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1116.56, vol: 8652.47831716 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1079.997, vol: 7554.2308 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1120.1, vol: 29084.22992281 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1060.688547, vol: 8393.38810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1118.448, vol: 2802.65060397 | Volume-weighted last average: 1105.28471892 1616293;1487712510;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, https://archive.is/Bwz53 >> 'Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.' 1616294;1487712546;asciilifeform;hey if bits-on-a-disk-in-police-custody can count as 'evidence' of anything else -- why not this. 1616295;1487712557;asciilifeform;and if the bits are not the right bits -- they can 'help'. 1616296;1487712565;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lulzy pieces. they kind of remind me of 1980s items. 1616297;1487712567;asciilifeform;as they currently 'help' in cp cases. 1616298;1487712942;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks? <<< yes, yes and yes, altogether a proper STATs module should very much be part of stock trb, and very helpful if it were. 1616299;1487712970;mircea_popescu;this directly links into the "garage chemistry = the fundamental articulation of western world", or, give everyday fellow powerful tools that touch the root of the world. 1616300;1487712982;*;mircea_popescu is very much in favour. 1616301;1487713200;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616286 << hurr durr, nyt & friends still refusing to graduate the You Are Not The World 101 class at the School of Hard Knocks. probably signals the need for special ed, they've been stuck on this entry level subject for years now. 1616302;1487713200;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 19:58 asciilifeform: in other lelz, 'The White House repeatedly refused to mention Jews in its Holocaust remembrance, and had the audacity to take offense when the world pointed out the ramifications of Holocaust denial.' 1616303;1487713267;mircea_popescu;apparently one bad usa is africa" track they listened to back in '85 constitutes enough basis to ignore scientific research for these schmucks. 1616304;1487713412;asciilifeform;'the world pointed out' 1616305;1487713414;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1616306;1487713428;mircea_popescu;o totally. 1616307;1487714100;mircea_popescu;btw, check out what altman does with his time. does this look like the job of an engineer or the job of a politruk ? 1616308;1487714116;ben_vulpes;altman is supposed to be an engineer? 1616309;1487714135;ben_vulpes;i thought he was a blogger scraped off some other vc firm's shoe 1616310;1487714144;mircea_popescu;who would, upon hitler winning unexpectedly, drop everything he was doing and start "talking to people" ? wernher von braun or joseph goebbels ? 1616311;1487714176;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes depends who you ask. according to the average 2oish yo "stem" imbecile, he's a role model. 1616312;1487714262;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the sheer insanity of this, you know, dork who supposedly "is a ceo" and "we something or the other billions of dollars something or the else other companies corporate business like real men and with suits!!!1" nevertheless has the fucking time to go on campaign trail. and the absence of mind to do it AFTER the election. 1616313;1487714462;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/yiannopoulos-quits-media-giant-breitbart/ << Qntra - Yiannopoulos Quits Media Giant Breitbart 1616314;1487714512;trinque;lol, first flynn, now teh 'dangerous faggot' 1616315;1487714519;trinque;left is on the move, people! 1616316;1487714533;trinque;what impotent losers. 1616317;1487714576;mircea_popescu;oh noes ? 1616318;1487714655;trinque;I suppose next they'll egg George W's house 1616319;1487714744;mircea_popescu;or nearly egg it, feel very intensely like egging it 1616320;1487714749;mircea_popescu;AND THEN TWITTERING ABOUT IT 1616321;1487714759;mircea_popescu;#wedidntdoanythingtoday 1616322;1487715081;BingoBoingo;4srs, about time Milo went independent again 1616323;1487715129;mircea_popescu;what does he do when he's independent ? 1616324;1487715150;BingoBoingo;Starts own MicroBart 1616325;1487715157;mircea_popescu;is he old enough for this ? 1616326;1487715176;BingoBoingo;He started some tech rag "The Kernel" he sold to DailyDot 1616327;1487715189;mircea_popescu;the cuban model ? 1616328;1487715201;BingoBoingo;Then he let his politics flag fly. Should have the money to do it. 1616329;1487715210;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1616330;1487715412;mircea_popescu;oh and to get back on the qntra topic : that the molested child enjoys the experience is neither shocking nor that uncommon. 1616331;1487715466;BingoBoingo;Still, big media that hates frat-rape is denying victim his lived experience! 1616332;1487715490;mircea_popescu;a good chunk of the "psychological damage" of what's known in the us as "child molestation" and in the rest of the world, both geographically and historically as nothing in particular has to do with the batshit insane reaction of the environment. substantially the EXACT same cause driving psychological damage in "abused children" as used to drive psychological damage in "mentally ill" aka homosexuals. it did get turing to kil 1616333;1487715490;mircea_popescu;l himself. 1616334;1487715508;mircea_popescu;hence all the discussions re "fags got their weddings, pedos are next". 1616335;1487715515;mircea_popescu;the similarities are quite marked. 1616336;1487715651;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and funnily enough they don't CALL IT THAT, either. 1616337;1487715681;BingoBoingo;Well, what can they do without vocabulary? 1616338;1487715754;mircea_popescu;it's not just a case of "it's our democracy when we do it and corruption when russia does it" ; the linguistic shenanigans are at the very core of libertard program. "it's denying victim their living experience when you tell susan j fowler or whatever other coreboot-broad-of-the-day that she's just not very birhgt and didn't work very hard ; but it's nothing when dangerous homosexual etc" 1616339;1487715794;mircea_popescu;at this point it is strictly impossible to distinguish between us "progressive" and a woman that's been locked into a house with preteens for too long and simply snapped and lost her mind. 1616340;1487715822;*;danielpbarron would rather see pedo marriage than homo marriage 1616341;1487715839;mircea_popescu;pedo marriage still the norm, go to india, the middle east, wherever. 1616342;1487715853;mircea_popescu;12 brides exceed 21 yo brides by a large margin. 1616343;1487715875;ben_vulpes;atlantic even did a piece on a victorian child bride recently 1616344;1487715879;ben_vulpes;"queer victorians" or some such 1616345;1487715887;mircea_popescu;right, everyone's grandmother got married at 12 also. 1616346;1487716018;trinque;pedo tends to mean quite a bit younger, eh? 1616347;1487716026;mircea_popescu;in whose usage ? 1616348;1487716043;danielpbarron;ban divorce and it isn't "pedo marriage" -- she grows up eventually 1616349;1487716070;trinque;that's actually the claim dangerous fag guy made which causes teh scandal 1616350;1487716078;trinque;"pubescent != pedo" 1616351;1487716137;danielpbarron;scandal only because it can't be about fertility or else homosexuality is similarly wrong 1616352;1487716140;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1616353;1487716183;ben_vulpes;hence the magic number (18!!!) with exceptions (unless you're both under 18! except if we want to try you as an adult!) 1616354;1487716201;ben_vulpes;sad inevitability of governing by numbers. 1616355;1487716306;mircea_popescu;the magic number 18 has a lot more to do with historical extraction. people wanted to get work out of children ; there's a soft spot where the uncastrated animal becomes more trouble than it's worth. 1616356;1487716347;mircea_popescu;since they weren't about to start castrating boys (mostly because the crown wouldn't let them ; otherwise us southerners very much DID, and would again if could) they had to give up on them at some point and let those "indentured" servant "contracts" expire. 1616357;1487716394;mircea_popescu;"how old does he have to be before the risk of punching you out, burning your house and fucking your wife and daughter outweighs whatever useful labour you may extract out of him" is scarcely a cogent basis for discussing how old must be the girl before you can buy her. 1616358;1487716401;danielpbarron;heh so not child abuse but "hey! stop trying to get my farm equipment pregnant!" 1616359;1487716415;mircea_popescu;nah, it was never about the girls. 1616360;1487716443;mircea_popescu;and generally - the proposition that females mattered at any point in human history, no matter the circumstance or perspective, is laughable. 1616361;1487716486;mircea_popescu;no law was made by women or for women ; no conflict was with women or about women, on it goes. the ancient complaint that "media fails to ~DEPICT~ the struggles of women and the impact of women" is so much charade. history fails to record because reality fails to contain. so media has to fail to depict if it cares to stay sane. 1616362;1487716499;mircea_popescu;and if it doesn't care to stay sane, the result is inevitably crank and tangerine. 1616363;1487716555;danielpbarron;poetic 1616364;1487716592;trinque;there is a very plain consideration on when pregnancy is going to sap energy otherwise allocated to maturation 1616365;1487716608;trinque;if we're talking about utility 1616366;1487716623;mircea_popescu;this hasn;'t anything to do with it as far as i can see. ironically women are more mature by whatever metric - aware, dependable, etc. in all times and places, broadly speaking. 1616367;1487716635;mircea_popescu;the issue is that women are adaptable, men are not. you understand how this works ? 1616368;1487716670;trinque;sure, men are, then go out and die or not 1616369;1487716692;mircea_popescu;no i mean the economics of flexibility. 1616370;1487716777;mircea_popescu;a commonly discussed example is that "everything in us consumer market is kosher, including $random item for exemplification". then there's some o wow, kosher eaters are a fraction of 1% of the whole market. 1616371;1487716788;mircea_popescu;the mechanics is that kosher eaters WILL NOT eat non-kosher ; whereas everyone else will eat whatever. 1616372;1487716801;mircea_popescu;as keeping two sets of $item has significant costs, it is cheaper to just make everything kosher. 1616373;1487716828;asciilifeform;mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com down?? 1616374;1487716833;mircea_popescu;this is why merely TOLERATING vegetarians is insanity if you like meat. you eating either their soy or a steak while they ONLY eat soy will ENSURE you will not be able to eat meat. 1616375;1487716836;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yes 1616376;1487716838;asciilifeform;aite 1616377;1487716853;mircea_popescu;so do not simply tolerate a vegetarian. either kick her out or beat her up. 1616378;1487716903;ben_vulpes;an eyebrow should suffice. 1616379;1487716930;mircea_popescu;well, economics dun care. 1616380;1487716939;ben_vulpes;instead of a thrashing i mean. 1616381;1487716954;mircea_popescu;yes, yes. you'll find out if it sufficed or not at the other end. 1616382;1487716968;*;ben_vulpes looks, sees no more vegetarians in his house 1616383;1487716987;mircea_popescu;this is incidentally why "irrational behaviour!! murder!! common graves!!!". because of exactly the above, economics dun care, so the inborn reflex is to overdo and make sure, rather than find out it didn't take on the other end. 1616384;1487717046;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day. 1616385;1487717051;ben_vulpes;yeah. eyebrow only works if it implies "how to deliver punishment" 1616386;1487717054;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-08#1319688 1616387;1487717054;a111;Logged on 2015-11-08 03:33 asciilifeform: in the words of mr mold, 'death is quicker, cheaper, simpler, and more persuasive than persuasion' 1616388;1487717063;mircea_popescu;it adds a solid two inches to her legs. 1616389;1487717077;ben_vulpes;s-sauce? 1616390;1487717084;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1616391;1487717100;ben_vulpes;how do you know this, and also what does it do to boys 1616392;1487717113;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: best documented example is the japanese subway 1616393;1487717120;mircea_popescu;does the same to boys lol. nutrition is important to kids. and nutrition means meat. 1616394;1487717124;asciilifeform;which had to enlarge chairs, train ceilings, whole shebang, in 1960s 1616395;1487717136;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: because of increased protein intake i gather? 1616396;1487717136;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im reeling in shock of having been asked to document this. 1616397;1487717142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same 1616398;1487717151;asciilifeform;'mouse in evacuated jar dies' 'sauce?' 1616399;1487717182;ben_vulpes;just cutting through decades of nutritive malinformation over here 1616400;1487717206;trinque;well, and find meat without hormones or toxic sludge throughout, go on 1616401;1487717206;mircea_popescu;kids must have abundant food and very little fastcrap. 1616402;1487717215;mircea_popescu;trinque there is that, yes. 1616403;1487717298;*;mircea_popescu has seen this time and again, IN POINT OF FACT, experimentally, throughout his 15 years!!!! of slavekeeping career. "our democracy" western girl shows up, shorter than she could have been and fattier than she should be. switches to sane diet, her fat turns out "resistant" because hey, body used it as burial grounds for all sorts of radioactive waste. eventually it all clears out and her ACTUAL, genotypical body type eme 1616404;1487717302;mircea_popescu;and then she hates her parents. 1616405;1487717325;mircea_popescu;with good cause ; and in a fundamental and unfixable way. "bitch, why didn't you feed me when i was young and needed you to ?" 1616406;1487717360;asciilifeform;holyfuck i am seeing 'ACTION' in ' ACTION has seen this time'... but http://btcbase.org/log sees the correct line 1616407;1487717374;mircea_popescu;hm 1616408;1487717383;*;mircea_popescu now ? 1616409;1487717407;asciilifeform;now the correct 1616410;1487717411;asciilifeform;what changed ? 1616411;1487717422;*;mircea_popescu has seen this time and again, IN POINT OF FACT, experimentally, throughout his 15 years!!!! of slavekeeping career. "our democracy" western girl shows up, shorter than she could have been and fattier than she should be. switches to sane diet, her fat turns out "resistant" because hey, body used it as burial grounds for all sorts of radioactive waste. eventually it all clears out and her ACTUAL, genotypical body type eme 1616412;1487717424;mircea_popescu;now ? 1616413;1487717434;asciilifeform;now crapolade 1616414;1487717448;mircea_popescu;dude wtf apparently my client sends a broken char if the line is overlong. 1616415;1487717460;asciilifeform;phf's logger swallows without burping 1616416;1487717466;*;mircea_popescu pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam 1616417;1487717471;*;mircea_popescu pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam pleaseexcusethespam ple 1616418;1487717479;mircea_popescu;ugh. 1616419;1487717480;asciilifeform;lel yes, just as described 1616420;1487717497;mircea_popescu;well phf's thing works becsause phf is a smart cookie, but this is just ridiculous. 1616421;1487717620;asciilifeform;in other wtf's, banning pings took dulap from 50+ to 7 peers (1 of which is zoolag), and none of'em seem to know of any block past 454073 1616422;1487717623;asciilifeform;for hours nao. 1616423;1487717643;mircea_popescu;i have nodes locked on that too. 1616424;1487717656;asciilifeform;both of mine, are 1616425;1487717658;mircea_popescu;there's something iffy with that block, i've not yet looked into it. 1616426;1487717675;asciilifeform;it is why i asked after mimisbrunnr 1616427;1487717686;asciilifeform;wanted to examine 454074. 1616428;1487717698;asciilifeform;does anybody have 454074 on a spitblock-capable node ? 1616429;1487717706;ben_vulpes;my node is entirely locked up atm 1616430;1487717710;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ? jurov ? 1616431;1487717733;ben_vulpes;well, the node to which mimisbrunnr's attached. 1616432;1487717742;asciilifeform;aah 1616433;1487717742;mircea_popescu;74 is actually overfull. it might not even verify. 999.968kb 1616434;1487717795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nah, e.g., 454047, was larger. 1616435;1487717808;mircea_popescu;it's not strictly the size, just a broad indicator. 1616436;1487717820;asciilifeform;then which 1616437;1487717826;*;mircea_popescu keeps waiting for one of these "optimized" blocks that finally breaks hell loose. 1616438;1487717827;asciilifeform;sigops ? 1616439;1487717830;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Stalled out on new blocks after pingpatch 454094 is last new block 1616440;1487717837;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. if i had a clue i'd say 1616441;1487717842;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that is long past my wedgepoint 1616442;1487717868;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's where I wedged after pingpatch 1616443;1487717871;mircea_popescu;anyway, btc.com is pretty much a bitcoin attacker by this point, at least in my books. 1616444;1487717886;asciilifeform;my concern is not that there is a boojum in 454074. but that the thin red line connecting my trb nodez to miners are -- apparently -- veeeery thin 1616445;1487717892;ben_vulpes;that node's not wedged but very far behind. 1616446;1487717902;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i expect your node's problem is verification. 1616447;1487717919;mircea_popescu;you just happened to get one of these shitted in while looking for something else. 1616448;1487717921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. it simply hasn't heard a block in ~2 hrs. 1616449;1487717928;mircea_popescu;the exact process that makes this whole pile so difficult to watch. 1616450;1487717940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because it only talks to nodes that are trying to eat that one. 1616451;1487717975;asciilifeform;actually it very often meets a , e.g., version message: version 70002, blocks=454102 1616452;1487717980;asciilifeform;but tells him to go to hell because ping. 1616453;1487717986;mircea_popescu;ah ? 1616454;1487717988;mircea_popescu;ok so then 1616455;1487717989;asciilifeform;hundreds of these, now, in my log. 1616456;1487718096;BingoBoingo;More elegant ping solution may be required 1616457;1487718121;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is not clear to me that there is such a thing as elegant solution, to what may very well be an ecological problem 1616458;1487718127;asciilifeform;i.e. if there is a mass of prb between us and miners. 1616459;1487718146;BingoBoingo;Clear out the space with a pesticide fogger? 1616460;1487718171;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu sprayed megatonnes of ddt, the pests -- just got high 1616461;1487718419;mircea_popescu;if only someone invented selective poison for stupid people. 1616462;1487718431;mircea_popescu;but we're not even at the point where mosquitoes were exterminated, so... 1616463;1487718436;mircea_popescu;human civilisation will have to wait. 1616464;1487718471;asciilifeform;btw how come i see 'Unable to decode output address' messages at blockchain.info ? i thought they had latest weirdo addr prb system 1616465;1487718476;asciilifeform;for p2sh etc. 1616466;1487718490;mircea_popescu;possibly fuzzer txn. 1616467;1487718494;ben_vulpes;(because everyone reads the logs?) 1616468;1487718499;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're in a block 1616469;1487718502;mircea_popescu;so ? 1616470;1487718516;asciilifeform;e.g., https://blockchain.info/block/000000000000000000f8f669ea6bc02e5a5d8b93a44fb39f1ef6cb355d20c01b 1616471;1487718532;mircea_popescu;the crap that ends up into blocks would astound oyu. 1616472;1487718614;BingoBoingo;My problem of the now is connecting to nodes with a higher blockheight than I 1616473;1487718686;asciilifeform;thus far i have not found anything in 454074 that is not in quite recently earlier blox 1616474;1487718694;asciilifeform;(any kind of thing, rather) 1616475;1487718702;mircea_popescu;me either. 1616476;1487718726;mircea_popescu;anyway, off to dinner. 1616477;1487719044;asciilifeform;dulap down to 4. 1616478;1487719374;asciilifeform;right now this is not even a very interesting wtf. it may however become interesting if a miner decides to sit down on trb island. 1616479;1487719382;asciilifeform;and forkulate. 1616480;1487719444;ben_vulpes;node attached to mimisbrunnr is stuck at 454003 1616481;1487719469;asciilifeform;that'd be quite a bit earlier 1616482;1487719484;ben_vulpes;aye, can't quite see why it'd be stuck there 1616483;1487719499;asciilifeform;how long has it sat there, ben_vulpes ? 1616484;1487719514;ben_vulpes;node has only recently begun responding to rpc calls 1616485;1487719517;asciilifeform;( and are you equipped to answer this q accurately ) 1616486;1487719529;ben_vulpes;and no i am not. 1616487;1487719576;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: a node that is not responding to rpc is nearly always simply catching up on massive backlog of blox 1616488;1487719579;ben_vulpes;it would be feasible to chart time density of log statements 1616489;1487719590;asciilifeform;during which it invariably loses all peers but the one supplying said blocks 1616490;1487719610;ben_vulpes;just saw this in my logs: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2HMaz/?raw=true 1616491;1487719771;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aya, the odd thing by my read is that it is responding to rpc calls but hasn't found from whom to get the rest of the blocks 1616492;1487719776;asciilifeform;aaaaand we've got 454074. 1616493;1487719778;ben_vulpes;or lol hadn't until right now 1616494;1487719842;asciilifeform;and ..75. 1616495;1487719862;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Stepped away from node and it started catching up again 1616496;1487719986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was finally eaten i see 1616497;1487719988;mircea_popescu;ah yeah, there. 1616498;1487720010;asciilifeform;the other major disgrace is that i have no way to make, e.g., zoolag and dulap NEVER MOTHERFUCKING BREAK UP 1616499;1487720021;asciilifeform;there is literally no mechanism for this, nor is it a simple retrofit. 1616500;1487720035;mircea_popescu;that'll be a while AFTER getting the readable source. 1616501;1487720038;asciilifeform;the 'all monkeys are equal' idiocy is deeply baked in. 1616502;1487720059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'd have to be after abolishing the polled socket thing entirely, and salting the earth where it stood, and cleansing with napalm for good measure 1616503;1487720069;asciilifeform;i.e. 'trb-i' 1616504;1487720086;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1616505;1487720100;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why bitcoin would EVEN INCLUDE networking code. 1616506;1487720112;mircea_popescu;bitch, handle the buffers. let someone who knows what they're doing do the networking for you. 1616507;1487720140;asciilifeform;^^^ 1616508;1487720145;mircea_popescu;but such is the pain that comes with "lalala can't hear you unless you have a prototype", which is the swamp satoshi had the misfortune of being born into. 1616509;1487720170;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is typical of amateur programmers esp of the windows variety to sorely misrepresent the immense bojum networtking is. 1616510;1487720365;asciilifeform;consider how on winblowz the proposition of 'separate out the network code' is not even practical to contemplate. 1616511;1487720375;mircea_popescu;yep 1616512;1487720515;veen;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616505 << a long-standing wtf in my mind 1616513;1487720515;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 23:35 mircea_popescu: i have nfi why bitcoin would EVEN INCLUDE networking code. 1616514;1487720929;BingoBoingo;Also there may be more bogum from getdata command. Apparently ver greater than 60002 "opts-in" to "enhanced" version 1616515;1487721117;asciilifeform;meanwhile in lulzistan, https://archive.is/Io6p8 >> '...Apple recently acquired Realface, an up-and-coming Israeli startup with impressive real-time facial recognition software ... Lending credence to rumors that the iPhone 8 may forgo the use of Touch ID in favor of facial recognition, Realface’s software is said to be sophisticated enough... ' << for schmucks who thought 'eh i'll use crapple, with this here plastic camera condom' 1616516;1487721145;asciilifeform;crapple: 'camera always on -- or fuckyou' 1616517;1487721170;asciilifeform;and first crapple, and week later -- turdroid. 1616518;1487721171;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1641/commits/05a85b2b38d516a8701f684fcd2ab99f3e5b462d 1616519;1487721209;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: these get banhammered 1616520;1487721218;asciilifeform;(see the logs of any operating trb node) 1616521;1487721227;asciilifeform;^ or rather, nodes having malleus 1616522;1487721317;asciilifeform;but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer 1616523;1487721317;asciilifeform;sity and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, who studies renewable energy, to the Associated Press.' 1616524;1487721332;asciilifeform;SCIENCEHATESYOU! (tm) (r) (reddit) 1616525;1487721333;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1616526;1487721345;mircea_popescu;lol fellow at both of them ? 1616527;1487721372;mircea_popescu;and he fails to see the fundamental connection between him supporting "science" and at the same time being postgrad at BOTH of these ? 1616528;1487721386;mircea_popescu;because why, they teach nonsense ? how can he fail to see this ? 1616529;1487721453;mircea_popescu;if it were actual science, the honest to god sort, kvant-science, "you're not smart enough to ride" science, yes it would be at the basis of a country (would it call itself "america" ? why not ?), but it wouldn't be possible for him to pretend what he's pretending. 1616530;1487721455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all the d00d sees, or even wants to see, is the wagonload of cv padding, and the payola stretching bank acct to new decimal places every month 1616531;1487721465;mircea_popescu;how many mathematician-surgeons did you meet in 1987 moscow ? 1616532;1487721474;mircea_popescu;who WERENT barely literate con artists ? 1616533;1487721505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well america totally is built on that, no argument there. 1616534;1487721566;asciilifeform;when you read 'fellow at X and at the Y' it means ye olde patronage system, a la tammany hall, d00d collects 2,3,4,5 salaries, while doing ~0 1616535;1487721587;mircea_popescu;no shit. 1616536;1487721725;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/culture-shock-ama/ more or less. 1616537;1487721844;ben_vulpes;heh veen and i broke apple's facial recognition on the first day it shipped. filed report, crickets. 1616538;1487721861;mircea_popescu;iirc a bunch of people made sport of that 1616539;1487721875;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: point is not that it will work as printed on the box. but that the machine won't log you in unless it sees a passable room with passable face-like object in it. 1616540;1487721882;asciilifeform;i.e. camera-is-running 1616541;1487721919;asciilifeform;this is part of a slow, planned anal dilation of the luserbase. 1616542;1487721935;mircea_popescu;that part is certainly coming. dreamers moving towards their vats as foretold. 1616543;1487721954;asciilifeform;ditto voice command crapolade 1616544;1487721959;asciilifeform;normalizing always-on-microphone. 1616545;1487721970;ben_vulpes;foregoing oblique unlock is going to be hard to jam down the kids throat 1616546;1487721984;ben_vulpes;or the ability to hand phone to friends and unlock it 1616547;1487721997;ben_vulpes;even having the lock on is pretty uncommon, people go to lengths to turn it off 1616548;1487722010;asciilifeform;the face thing is also a step to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 1616549;1487722027;asciilifeform;'- Where have you been, Dad? You can wait forever. You have to read the text through the polarizer glasses. Without them, all you’ll see is the ads! - What’s that for? - What do you mean, what’s that for? So nobody who hasn’t paid can read the book! Think, I buy a book, and someone who didn’t buy anything could read it over my shoulder…' 1616550;1487722084;mircea_popescu;eh if only. 1616551;1487722099;mircea_popescu;you keep seeing method to the madness. there's no method. 1616552;1487722126;mircea_popescu;the face thing is a step in the direction of argentina : it doesn't work, nobody knows how to fix it and it's not anybody;s fault anyway so let's adapt. 1616553;1487722136;mircea_popescu;same thing that produced the above microsoft networking paradigm. 1616554;1487722142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is method. random js crapolade on some indian www may be monkey throwing shit against a wall. an item like 'amazon alexa' is not. 1616555;1487722153;asciilifeform;it was designed, and works. to spec. 1616556;1487722162;asciilifeform;a work of evil, but works, to spec. 1616557;1487722164;mircea_popescu;same thing that the gyneceum always produces, and i don't give a shit you call it "human resources" or "engineers" or "the stupid bitches in ditch A" 1616558;1487722173;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1616559;1487722195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu conflates, e.g., nodejs, prb -- vs alexa, ipnoje -- at his peril imho. 1616560;1487722216;mircea_popescu;i'm on the record not conflating them, take the recent c/llvm discussion. 1616561;1487722245;mircea_popescu;but ars vita, longa brevis or how that went. very little space for actual agency in the wailing crowd. 1616562;1487722506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tru! 1616563;1487722648;asciilifeform;in my observations there are roughly 2 factions of technocrapolade -- 'microshit': crashes, 'meat-like' malfunctions, shit soup of 'why does this exist', shithubs full of gender-fix-commits, etc; and 'crapple' -- ipnoje that worx 100% of the time you push the button, while slowly recording; amazon's widgets; google's spamless mail; and similarly appealing, sweet and carcinogenic nintendos 1616564;1487722653;asciilifeform;quite disjoint sets, for the most part. 1616565;1487722673;mircea_popescu;such an "ipnoje" does not exist. 1616566;1487722675;asciilifeform;wwwtronic idiocies mostly live in the former camp 1616567;1487722704;mircea_popescu;the ~only thing that is even vaguely similar to that is the sort of deep-in-the-bowels systems engineering as to my mind best exemplified by the llvm thing and ~nothing else. 1616568;1487722725;asciilifeform;recall who pays for llvm, and in what product it is used. 1616569;1487722740;mircea_popescu;not airfoil manufacture ; not electronic countermeasures ; not special ops ; not diplomacy, nothing. 1616570;1487722764;asciilifeform;airfoil probably still designed on vax. 1616571;1487722775;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure, but this is not unlike saying cow can fly because gut produces methane. 1616572;1487722818;mircea_popescu;back at reality once, they managed it ONCE. they can't do it at-will ; they can't even do it again. it's rather a crapshot than a thing. 1616573;1487722882;asciilifeform;which 'it' ? 1616574;1487722884;veen;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616522 << some display of tone-deaf impotence, that 1616575;1487722884;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 23:55 asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer 1616576;1487722896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your idea of "ipnoje" 1616577;1487722935;veen;> our scientism has shown these facts to be self-evident! such reasoning is sufficient to affect trajectory of body politic and clown car alike 1616578;1487723093;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well noshit, they did it once, how many times does what other company create product category from thin air, in which literally every other vendor remains trabant imitator 1616579;1487723124;mircea_popescu;are you talking about llvm or about the imaginary market for "Tablets" ? 1616580;1487723139;asciilifeform;pocket-thing-with-www-browser, as a class 1616581;1487723151;mircea_popescu;this is an entirely spurious novel item in our discussion. 1616582;1487723175;asciilifeform;very easy to say for d00d who uses 0 of these and can't even picture why anyone would. 1616583;1487723208;mircea_popescu;we were talking about cognitive capability ; not about "the dutch invented the tulip tradegood and everyone was stuck being immitator -- for a while anyway" 1616584;1487723280;asciilifeform;i dunno that anyone has made 'new cognitive capability' since engelbart. 1616585;1487723350;mircea_popescu;so -- yes, "someone" had the cognitive capability to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594887 ; but that same someone failed to produce a workable counterpart to the russian jet ; or any kind of response to the chinese missilization ; or any sort of coherent narrative for the middle east ; or even anything past "never happened - if it happened it doesn't matter - if it matters we did it anyway" re russkis turning off the ele 1616586;1487723350;a111;Logged on 2016-12-31 18:20 mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha 1616587;1487723351;mircea_popescu;ctronics on a cruiser whose only raison d'etre is an imaginary electronics war. 1616588;1487723362;mircea_popescu;and the list could go on. 1616589;1487723403;mircea_popescu;on the balance of an endless field of failures with one (relatively minor) bright spot, the theory that "the face thing is also a step to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752" is a little less supported than the theory that " monkey throwing shit against a wall" 1616590;1487723548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for this discussion, every inner city black thug who sits down to start his own brothel is (like, say, http://trilema.com/2016/hustle-flow/ ) is laying down a new cognitive capacity farm. 1616591;1487723571;asciilifeform;only in the cow-is-methane-vendor sense 1616592;1487723585;mircea_popescu;whether it'll be enough or not, for what it aims to do or for something else, is an entirely different discussion. but the important point is that man has raeched that sad level of overpopulation where it assembles into meta-creatures. 1616593;1487723614;mircea_popescu;much like locusts eventually get too many and swarm, man got too abundant and is now making shambling horrors out of himself. 1616594;1487723738;mircea_popescu;as far as these assemblages go, there isn't a substantial difference between the black pimp's hussle&flow and the white cuckold's hussle&flow. neither of them can act substantially and deliberately. gotta pick one. 1616595;1487723768;asciilifeform;the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale' 1616596;1487723772;asciilifeform;and afaik it continues to work 1616597;1487723783;mircea_popescu;failed spectacularly in turkey. 1616598;1487723784;asciilifeform;to the point where usg can poison beloved ambassador d00d and 0 risk 1616599;1487723788;mircea_popescu;would fail in russia too. 1616600;1487723805;mircea_popescu;this is a permanence of politics. the FUCKING POINT of an ambassador is that the barbarians can kill him. 1616601;1487723816;mircea_popescu;which is why there's no glory in it, and why the more civilised ancients refrained. 1616602;1487723822;asciilifeform;worked great in turkey, they nailed another beloved-ambassador-d00d with 0 push back 1616603;1487723859;mircea_popescu;no, don't slide. you were discussing "the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale'". 1616604;1487723860;asciilifeform;killing envoys was ~the~ act of war, since, idk, before hammurabi 1616605;1487723867;mircea_popescu;failed to work. spectacularly. 1616606;1487723879;asciilifeform;colour me thick, how did it fail ? 1616607;1487723879;mircea_popescu;most of those schmucks are never going to see the outside of a jail cell. 1616608;1487723892;asciilifeform;who, in particular ? 1616609;1487723897;asciilifeform;in which jail are they 1616610;1487723935;mircea_popescu;you're aware erdogan is still in power, and the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-15#1614142 "victims" are literally lost. 1616611;1487723935;a111;Logged on 2017-02-15 20:05 mircea_popescu: check it out, they even call it us kleptocracy department! apt. 1616612;1487723972;asciilifeform;hey even mr.t over here is theoretically still-in-power. 1616613;1487723975;mircea_popescu;none of your business in which jail are they. suffice it to be said that they aren't ever coming out. and whoever feels uppity in usg "deep state" is very much next. 1616614;1487723996;mircea_popescu;lol. well, by now your position has degraded enough so ima call this good. 1616615;1487724027;asciilifeform;so far it looks like ' mircea_popescu: great victory. asciilifeform : where? mircea_popescu : seekrit evidence, noneofyerbiznis' 1616616;1487724053;mircea_popescu;mno. by the time you have to resort to "in my village it rains apples, SO THERE!" you can "win", but it'll be all by yourself. 1616617;1487724091;mircea_popescu;the only item in power in the us today is trump. this should be abundantly clear, as a minimal qualifying bar for "op is not batshit insane". on the level of perceiving the sunset. 1616618;1487724098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in, e.g., erdogan's place, if you 'had won, and Still In Power, and They Will Never Leave Jail', would you secretly stow the defeated in some jail ? or impale on public square, where everyone can see'em ? why not the latter ? 1616619;1487724116;mircea_popescu;because the education of imbeciles is not on my budget. 1616620;1487724146;mircea_popescu;the impale thing happens when you aim to educate, which is what the display of violence without possibility of recourse is all about. 1616621;1487724152;mircea_popescu;if you simply aim to win, there's no marked benefit. 1616622;1487724153;asciilifeform;if nothing else, public execution is cheaper than guarding and feeding schmuck for years 1616623;1487724166;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1616624;1487724182;asciilifeform;and than having to deal with potentially endless stream of incoming idiots 1616625;1487724214;mircea_popescu;there's not going to be any stream in turkey. 1616626;1487724214;asciilifeform;the chinese shoot in stadiums, with roaring crowds. 1616627;1487724231;mircea_popescu;not the tibetansd. 1616628;1487724392;asciilifeform;meanwhile we have 454084. 1616629;1487724405;asciilifeform;7 peers. 1616630;1487724569;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lrfKn/?raw=true 1616631;1487725110;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/%d0%b1%d0%b8%d1%82%d0%ba%d0%be%d0%b8%d0%bd-%d1%8d%d1%82%d0%be-%d0%b5%d0%b4%d0%b8%d0%bd%d1%81%d1%82%d0%b2%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%bd%d0%b0%d1%8f-%d0%b2-%d0%bc%d0%b8%d1%80%d0%b5-%d0%b1%d0%bb%d0%be/ << Qntra - "Биткоин — это единственная в мире блокчейн" says Russian State Bank 1616632;1487725133;asciilifeform;now ~that~'s interesting. 1616633;1487725162;BingoBoingo;!~tslb 1616634;1487725164;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 8 seconds 1616635;1487725173;BingoBoingo;ty pete_dushenski 1616636;1487725375;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/sadnodes.txt 1616637;1487725387;asciilifeform;^ if you see yourself on this list , know ! 1616638;1487725932;BingoBoingo;!~tslb 1616639;1487725955;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data. 1616640;1487726102;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1616641;1487726123;veen;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a4mgA/?raw=true 1616642;1487726182;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":440779902286.5892} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1616643;1487726323;ben_vulpes;interesting, my irc client is not receiving 1616644;1487726323;ben_vulpes;earlier i saw 3 lines from trinque hit all at once. 1616645;1487727619;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: de nada 1616646;1487727664;*;pete_dushenski checks sadnodes list, doesn't see own nodes 1616647;1487727692;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: qntra comment replied 1616648;1487728315;*;pete_dushenski to hit some e-notes (the music kind) 1616649;1487729761;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/qtwGu seems to claim that ru let city of new york autopsy churkin ! 1616650;1487729781;asciilifeform;and then went on to 'it will take two weeks' 1616651;1487732361;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 104.199.165.17 << google spider . now attempts to connect to trb nodez. 1616652;1487732373;asciilifeform;on 8333, speaking prbish. 1616653;1487733579;asciilifeform;in other comedies, https://github.com/funkshelper/therealbitcoin 1616654;1487733603;mod6;evening! 1616655;1487733609;asciilifeform;hey mod6 1616656;1487733610;mod6;Finally caught up here... 1616657;1487733615;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000248.html << ok, thx! 1616658;1487733654;mod6;sounds like your nodes are stablizing and getting blocks, have connected peers. 1616659;1487733679;asciilifeform;mod6: dulap (with the new snip) is actually beating zoolag 1616660;1487733709;mod6;ok cool. 1616661;1487733765;mod6;im gonna build in your patch and deploy. see how it goes, thank you for your submission to the ML. 1616662;1487733769;asciilifeform;don't. yet. 1616663;1487733870;mod6;ok, fair enough, just gonna keep an eye on it a bit longer then? 1616664;1487734189;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS: 1616665;1487734190;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000249.html 1616666;1487734199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, mod6 , ben_vulpes , et al ^ 1616667;1487734242;asciilifeform;i can't fucking believe that nobody caught this. 1616668;1487734275;asciilifeform;sometimes i wonder whether anybody is even awake. 1616669;1487734500;trinque;in point of fact, I did bother to grep for ping. 1616670;1487734578;trinque;there's another mention in main.cpp 1616671;1487734597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform people have a little longer pipelines than THREE HOURS you. 1616672;1487735183;ben_vulpes;rather rude litte gnome isn't it. 1616673;1487735220;*;mod6 looks 1616674;1487735222;mircea_popescu;he gets overexcited and oversignals. 1616675;1487735242;ben_vulpes;he? 1616676;1487735268;mircea_popescu;lol did we mangle antecedents ? 1616677;1487735305;ben_vulpes;i'm talking about that funky github repo. 1616678;1487735336;*;mircea_popescu can't summon teh interest. 1616679;1487735371;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3dLmj/?raw=true 1616680;1487735397;trinque;just funkenstein virtue signaling while he pilfers 1616681;1487735433;mircea_popescu;eh whatevers. 1616682;1487735463;mircea_popescu;i'm sure about half the locker rooms in all highschools in history contained picture of most accomplished slut/jock in the class with words scribbled on it. 1616683;1487735542;ben_vulpes;anyways, asciilifeform my queue is rather deep, working with mod6 on a thing 1616684;1487735693;mod6;many thanks, Mr. Vulpes. 1616685;1487735797;mod6;asciilifeform: sig verifies. ima build this one, unless you want me to hold off still. 1616686;1487735970;BingoBoingo;Thank you alf for your impatience, its contribution is very appreciated 1616687;1487736009;mod6;[nao building with v 99994A1 asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed.vpatch] 1616688;1487736019;mircea_popescu;k3k 1616689;1487736553;mircea_popescu;lol a1 1616690;1487736606;mod6;:] for flavor. 1616691;1487736628;asciilifeform;mod6: pretty sure this is it 1616692;1487736660;asciilifeform;this one, lel, no longer bans trb nodes... 1616693;1487736758;asciilifeform;(or rather, no longer emits pings. trb nodes emitting pings -- still banhammered) 1616694;1487736786;mod6;aha. werd. 1616695;1487737057;asciilifeform;quite possibly this experiment was misguided 1616696;1487737079;asciilifeform;what, i am suspecting, i oughta have done, is to banhammer strictly those nodes who ~pong back~ 1616697;1487737093;asciilifeform;because as it is, trb nodes (such as zoolag) are getting the hammer. 1616698;1487737129;asciilifeform;the folx i was trying to kill, are those who ~sit idle and hog the socket~ while waiting for a pong that never comes. 1616699;1487737172;mircea_popescu;i dunno why you're doing this skidding thing anyway, not like there's some sort of emergency. 1616700;1487737184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i grow very tired of 'blackhole' 1616701;1487737191;mircea_popescu;yes but. 1616702;1487737234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every so often, i actually need to send a tx. and grow very, very irritated if for whatever reason at all, i cannot. 1616703;1487737242;mod6;hm. It ~is~ annoying. No gigantic rush. 1616704;1487737267;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider it one of the many benefits of single-node "man and his fortress" outlook. 1616705;1487737279;asciilifeform;in point of fact i have 2 1616706;1487737280;mircea_popescu;it's a p2p network, which means it's lossy, shitty and etc. 1616707;1487737281;asciilifeform;but sure. 1616708;1487737290;mircea_popescu;yes, but i tihnk you get my point. 1616709;1487737324;asciilifeform;eh i i had 22, or 222, i'd simply have a different reason (tx propagation fail) to be ragin 1616710;1487737329;asciilifeform;*raging 1616711;1487737353;mircea_popescu;anyway, it may be worth the contemplation to consider that bitcoin is the specific sort of thing you'd never have actually made specifically because its strengths are the sort of things you personally hate. 1616712;1487737371;asciilifeform;ok nao i'm curious, how's that 1616713;1487737372;asciilifeform;? 1616714;1487737389;mircea_popescu;take this "send tx" "well bro... there's no guarantees" item. 1616715;1487737424;mircea_popescu;"wtf anti-civilised non-engineered process is this then!" "words are given man to hide his thoughts, bro" 1616716;1487737474;asciilifeform;there is a palpable difference between 'hey bro this is usenet and no guarantees' and 'hey bro this is crack den and i'ma take yer mail and flush it down the shitter, no guarantees' imho 1616717;1487737495;mircea_popescu;perhaps. but the CORRECT cut in there is a very high paygrade item. 1616718;1487737542;mircea_popescu;which is what i meant re contemplation. not the sort of problem you usually enjoy, ergo not the sort of system you'd of your own choice make. 1616719;1487737641;asciilifeform;i don't 'zoologically' despise noisy channels. 1616720;1487737648;asciilifeform;i despise unquantifiably-noisy. 1616721;1487737658;asciilifeform;because it can easily mean 'toilet' without any possibility of knowing so. 1616722;1487737666;mircea_popescu;but the unquantifiable part is exactly the strength. 1616723;1487737671;mircea_popescu;yes. 1616724;1487737671;asciilifeform;unquantifiable engineering belongs in crack den. 1616725;1487737683;mircea_popescu;depends. consider the problem of the jungle. 1616726;1487737691;mircea_popescu;the jungle is a shitty forest no civilised man would wish to live in 1616727;1487737700;mircea_popescu;except, of course, if fighting another civilised man. 1616728;1487737743;asciilifeform;swamp probably better example 1616729;1487737745;asciilifeform;but sure. 1616730;1487737775;mircea_popescu;we got more than its weight in gold, to date, from the happenstance that bitcoin is made of ~pure shit. 1616731;1487737789;asciilifeform;i remain unconvinced 1616732;1487737792;mircea_popescu;specifically because the llvm heads discussed earlier apparently don't get very far. 1616733;1487737800;mircea_popescu;moreover, it was historically trivial to predict their predicaments and ambush. 1616734;1487737812;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not trying to persuade, i am merely stating the possibility. 1616735;1487737833;asciilifeform;x11, or gcc, etc are easily 1000x the volume of shit. and successfully llvm'd. 1616736;1487737844;asciilifeform;because it is a problem that succumbs to brute labour. 1616737;1487737848;mircea_popescu;specifically because it was contrived. the gcc shit is a conceit, not real shit. 1616738;1487737927;asciilifeform;to briefly revisit upstack: in case this was unclear to anyone: goodbye-pingers ~breaks connectivity with stock trb~ and ought to be considered experimental/dangerous . it is not yet clear to me that the pill is an improvement over the disease. 1616739;1487737958;mircea_popescu;not without it being complete (ie, also stop pinging). 1616740;1487737968;asciilifeform;well the -revised ver. is. 1616741;1487737974;asciilifeform;but even so. 1616742;1487737980;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1616743;1487737995;asciilifeform;i am rather surprised, i admit, that dulap is speaking to ~anyone~ 1616744;1487737996;mircea_popescu;a little bit of power rangering of your own hm ? 1616745;1487738000;asciilifeform;yet is is nearly synced 1616746;1487738013;mircea_popescu;some blocks get through in the brief interval. 1616747;1487738024;asciilifeform;not at all this. 1616748;1487738028;mircea_popescu;that's the moral here : just how resilient the shit is. amorphous therefore eternal. 1616749;1487738029;asciilifeform;pingers are banned immediately 1616750;1487738034;asciilifeform;none get anything through. 1616751;1487738036;mircea_popescu;well, once they ping 1616752;1487738041;asciilifeform;454120 atm. 1616753;1487738048;asciilifeform;(and digesting a block as we speak) 1616754;1487738056;asciilifeform;6 behind, e.g., bci. 1616755;1487738076;asciilifeform;to clarify: dulap is running the revised patch. 1616756;1487738100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was marked (EXPERIMENTAL) for a reason!!11 1616757;1487738130;mircea_popescu;you know, they usually do some statement of what's being experimented when they do an experiment. 1616758;1487738152;asciilifeform;had link to mircea_popescu in l0gz! 1616759;1487738164;mircea_popescu;so it did :) 1616760;1487738191;mircea_popescu;"this is an experiment to establish the density of water. we will be using a densometer to measure it, expect to see values in so and so range, for so and so reasons" etc. 1616761;1487738203;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6A90653FEB0AD1726BEB5103A2FB09DCEE0DCABC7EFD7E6AE69679FB320E1D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...5509 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.127.14.104 (ssh-rsa key from 176.127.14.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (104.14.127.176.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH) 1616762;1487738203;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6A90653FEB0AD1726BEB5103A2FB09DCEE0DCABC7EFD7E6AE69679FB320E1D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1758...8439 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.127.14.104 (ssh-rsa key from 176.127.14.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (104.14.127.176.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH) 1616763;1487738273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd like to leave dulap as it is , to see how this change affects blackhole, but it does carry some of the 'trucks of britain' problem (as described by mircea_popescu article -- 'trucks over 5 tonnes will experimentally drive on left side of road first!11') 1616764;1487738281;mircea_popescu;experiment = 1. statement of phenomena being observed ; 2. description of experimental set-up and measuring tools ; 3. explanation of working theory and 4. statements of fact that stand to be falsified. all 4. 1616765;1487738372;asciilifeform;1. 'blackhole.' 2. tcpdump on two blackholed trb nodes. multitude of peers emitting 'ping, ping, ping...' and soaking up sockets. 3. hypothesis: killing socket hoggers will dissolve blackhole. 4. 'socket-hogging prb is responsible for blackhole condition' 1616766;1487738414;mircea_popescu;yes but this is supposed to be done prior not ex post facto. 1616767;1487738418;asciilifeform;(4) is unfortunately ultimately rubbish, it is really the single-threaded, polled socket handler of trb that is ultimately morally responsible. 1616768;1487738426;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1616769;1487738429;asciilifeform;but the option of removing it is not on the table. 1616770;1487738437;asciilifeform;it is quite equivalent to scrapping the whole thing. 1616771;1487738634;asciilifeform;(it'd require, absolutely, removing the locks. which ~unquantifiably alters the semantics of the entire thing.) 1616772;1487739339;mircea_popescu;btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front. 1616773;1487739343;mircea_popescu;lulz of ALL FUCKING TIME. 1616774;1487739375;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1616775;1487739397;mircea_popescu;that's such an epic dead cat to hold over the libertards lmao 1616776;1487739412;mircea_popescu;"hey, guess who wants to spitroast you all ? i... could put him in charge you know." 1616777;1487739436;mircea_popescu;"and it'll piss a little on the courts too. seems like a great move. are you ready to suck the cock yet ?" 1616778;1487739606;mircea_popescu;also he's tweeting off an ancient samsung galaxy. much to everyone's aghast anger. 1616779;1487739638;asciilifeform;waiwa what 'should' he be doing it on 1616780;1487739655;asciilifeform;cray? 1616781;1487739662;mircea_popescu;well ostensibly not logging into an account that everyone now watches, because if it gets hijacked jets may get scrambled. 1616782;1487739725;mircea_popescu;besides, if he has it on him, you know, like in a "sikrit place" like the whitehouse tree fort or under the covers, it could stagefright/illuminate teh "sikrits" usg supposedly has. 1616783;1487739740;asciilifeform;the set of folx who can pump arbitrary crapola into it, is likely in the 100s, or 1000s 1616784;1487739787;asciilifeform;(starting with twatter inc, then moving on to pnoje carrier, os vendor, et al) 1616785;1487739792;mircea_popescu;“The president is the original classification authority so he has enormous discretion about when and under what circumstances to do that,” Zach Goldman, the executive director of NYU’s Center on Law and Security, told Gizmodo. “If he decides he wants to read classified documents in the open, I don’t know what the intelligence community can do about that.” 1616786;1487739819;mircea_popescu;total and utter despair, the 15yos going "dad owns the house, he could technically chop down the tree, and there's nothing we can do to prove to him it's really ygdrasil!!1" 1616787;1487739833;mircea_popescu;"but our d&d game!!1" "yeah i know, totally!!1" 1616788;1487739844;asciilifeform;somehow being 'original classification authority' didn't help carter not be thrown out 'and don't ever come back, or ask again' from groom lake '51' . 1616789;1487739915;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ye. 1616790;1487740515;trinque;carter could get thrown out of anywhere 1616791;1487740537;trinque;in the particular instance mentioned, guy was what, "oh I'll tell everyone about the aliens once I get in there!11!" 1616792;1487740538;BingoBoingo;Carter was terrified by a bunny rabbit 1616793;1487740552;trinque;got in, realized he was an idiot and it was cover for ICBMs and SR-71s 1616794;1487740705;ben_vulpes;petraeus for state oh that's rich 1616795;1487741555;mircea_popescu;oya. 1616796;1487741606;mircea_popescu;"i have this guy, and if you don't like him... i have another." 1616797;1487741611;mircea_popescu;"you won't like that other one." 1616798;1487741778;hanbot;why not Cher, at that rate 1616799;1487741785;mircea_popescu;ahaha totally. 1616800;1487741813;mircea_popescu;"and tonight in Department of State and Ginzu Knives, CHER AND SONY BOOOONOOO!!!!" 1616801;1487741831;mircea_popescu;"he was a senvernor you know!" 1616802;1487741843;mircea_popescu;or what was he, mayor of seattle ? 1616803;1487741866;hanbot;seattle, schenectady, something 1616804;1487741883;mircea_popescu;i thought new york chartered towns get ceos not mayors. 1616805;1487743304;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-ii/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part II 1616806;1487743890;mircea_popescu;hanbot that's a pretty freaky series you got going there 1616807;1487744378;*;BingoBoingo can't wait to hear what the SADFAG of the day is! 1616808;1487744389;mircea_popescu;totally. 1616809;1487747687;ben_vulpes;"Fact: Adversarial examples generalize across models trained to perform the same task, even if those models have different architectures and were trained on a different training set. This means an attacker can train their own model, generate adversarial examples against it, and then deploy those adversarial examples against a model they do not have access to." 1616810;1487747688;ben_vulpes;http://www.kdnuggets.com/2015/07/deep-learning-adversarial-examples-misconceptions.html 1616811;1487747738;mircea_popescu;yes yes, except it's as far from a fact as it could possibly get. it is, in nucet, the HOPE of usg "ai" work. 1616812;1487747773;ben_vulpes;to use it against other 'ai'? 1616813;1487747822;mircea_popescu;they need it, the wunderwaffen response to the http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ problem ; the republic does not, http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ etc. 1616814;1487747842;mircea_popescu;in simple words, "the only hope of an our democracy surviving the republican age is if some mechanical method to turn noise into sense is devised" 1616815;1487747850;mircea_popescu;this is correct, but also hardly a fact. just the constraint. 1616816;1487747939;mircea_popescu;how exactly "in order for you to exist, water must be pink and freely float in the atmosphere" turned into "fact: water is pink and freely floats in the atmosphere" has a lot to do with the hidden "i necessarily must exist" prior. 1616817;1487748003;mircea_popescu;other than the (actual) fact that there's nothing necessary about existence, perfectly sound AAA+++ science. would worship again. 1616818;1487748287;ben_vulpes;i don't hafta toss my sims out too, do i? 1616819;1487748293;mircea_popescu;i don't see why. 1616820;1487748380;*;ben_vulpes rummages for the ultralight 'bigdog' sketches 1616821;1487748391;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on. 1616822;1487748423;mircea_popescu;that common thread is nothing novel - the socialist state through its central planning committee encounters the unknowns problem. for as long as that is not resolved, the socialist state is doomed in principle. 1616823;1487748449;mircea_popescu;much like ancient chinese emperors had a very firm limit on their reign. no matter what anyone said, their divinity however described still ends one day. 1616824;1487748462;mircea_popescu;so they did what they could do, invest in immortality pill research. 1616825;1487748526;ben_vulpes;'ai' to handle the unexpected situation/'unknowns problem'? 1616826;1487748550;mircea_popescu;similarly here, every socialist state since hobbes' leviathan made some attempt to subjugate aquitaine, that horrifying heterodox place where riches spring from the very soil. 1616827;1487748602;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes some basis upon which a single authority may stand. see the problem with the reality function is that it does not have calculable maxima. 1616828;1487748617;mircea_popescu;you may find a maximum, but it will be localized. this is no good. 1616829;1487748655;mircea_popescu;for as long as reality resists formulation, there can't be properly speaking globalization in any meaningful sense ; just the pretense of it readily defeated in practice. 1616830;1487748700;mircea_popescu;now, that this quest is doomed should be obvious. but what's the emperor to do, accept facts ? no teenager yet has admitted his inferiority to their archnemesis cum rival yet. it's just not the way of the highschool. and so... 1616831;1487748701;ben_vulpes;aah. hey is the fed ai yet? 1616832;1487748701;mircea_popescu;they try. 1616833;1487748720;mircea_popescu;well... it's a alright. the i... 1616834;1487748728;ben_vulpes;hue 1616835;1487748785;ben_vulpes;i discern that people are really bad drivers 1616836;1487748796;mircea_popescu;and bitcoin is really a terrible network 1616837;1487748798;mircea_popescu;see the pattern ? 1616838;1487748815;ben_vulpes;hah 1616839;1487748854;ben_vulpes;yeah, meatsacks shouldn't operate their own road ice. 1616840;1487748868;mircea_popescu;MOST meatsacks shouldn't do anything. 1616841;1487748868;*;ben_vulpes off 1616842;1487748885;ben_vulpes;mhm "even google ai is better at driving than most people" 1616843;1487748893;ben_vulpes;later 1616844;1487772005;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616687 <<< Just finished 2 builds, running one now asciilifeform 1616845;1487772005;a111;Logged on 2017-02-22 04:00 mod6: [nao building with v 99994A1 asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed.vpatch] 1616846;1487775555;asciilifeform;in other noose, the goodbye_pingers experiment is not a mega-success, dulap is 30+ blox behind 1616847;1487775593;asciilifeform;considering that it cuts off stock trb -- it is surprising that it was at any point caught up. 1616848;1487775615;asciilifeform;i'ma give it another day and then roll back. 1616849;1487775654;asciilifeform;but meanwhile, in comedic theatre, https://archive.is/NvRz0 >> 'This is an announcement about CVE-2017-6074 [1] which is a double-free vulnerability I found in the Linux kernel. It can be exploited to gain kernel code execution from an unprivileged processes.' 1616850;1487775665;asciilifeform;'The oldest version that was checked is 2.6.18 (Sep 2006), which is vulnerable. However, the bug was introduced before that, probably in the first release with DCCP support (2.6.14, Oct 2005). The kernel needs to be built with CONFIG_IP_DCCP for the vulnerability to be present. A lot of modern distributions enable this option by default.' 1616851;1487775732;asciilifeform;$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep DCCP 1616852;1487775740;asciilifeform;# CONFIG_IP_DCCP is not set 1616853;1487775745;*;asciilifeform apparently not 'modern' 1616854;1487778621;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30AA4DAEC55910C94B5E32B7B847E3D84DA19A0160ACB16424A6913156B5CD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1398...1177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.244.251.98 (ssh-rsa key from 77.244.251.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip077244251098.rev.nessus.at. AT) 1616855;1487778622;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30AA4DAEC55910C94B5E32B7B847E3D84DA19A0160ACB16424A6913156B5CD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...8749 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.244.251.98 (ssh-rsa key from 77.244.251.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip077244251098.rev.nessus.at. AT) 1616856;1487778948;asciilifeform;https://www.nessus.at << lel, not the famous nessus. 1616857;1487778964;asciilifeform;but some derpatron, 'NESSUS GmbH.' 1616858;1487779121;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'IN THE PURSUIT OF UNTHINK In order to let our collective curiosities be the ultimate guide in our journey to pursue the meaningful opportunities of tomorrow, we are always looking to assemble a talent pool, that is not just content with thinking differently, but thinks a whole lot differently. We like to call this phenomenon 'unthink' and Gaditek is 'where unthink is'.' ( http://www.gaditek.com -- runs a prb node. ) 1616859;1487779132;asciilifeform;parody horizon. 1616860;1487779138;jurov;https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603790 "Assignee: ada@gentoo.org → maintainer-needed@gentoo.org" 1616861;1487779161;jurov;no adaists anymore in gentoo 1616862;1487779203;asciilifeform;jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-17#1022777 1616863;1487779203;a111;Logged on 2015-02-17 23:08 asciilifeform: gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild 1616864;1487779220;asciilifeform;jurov: i blew ~month on this horror. 1616865;1487779229;jurov;ow 1616866;1487779242;asciilifeform;for completeness i will also point out that adacore's tarball will, with some handholding, build. 1616867;1487779261;asciilifeform;problem is: you need a working existing ada ! 1616868;1487779264;asciilifeform;to build any gnat. 1616869;1487779271;asciilifeform;catch22. 1616870;1487779316;asciilifeform;(same problem as gcc, but difference is, gcc will -- theoretically -- build on certain other compilers, though i have nfi when anyone last attempted this. but there are not and never were any open alternatives to gnat.) 1616871;1487779360;asciilifeform;there is a dark heathen world of proprietary ada compilers, mostly for winblowz, but they are so rare, you will find them on no warez, anywhere. 1616872;1487779595;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-16#1020624 << see also thread 1616873;1487779595;a111;Logged on 2015-02-16 06:17 asciilifeform: so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ? 1616874;1487780257;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/youve-made-the-bed-enjoy-dying-in-it << thread was memorialized, apparently, on mircea_popescu's www 1616875;1487780483;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jJ7iS/?raw=true << on a traditional (zoolag) trb node. i never once saw these in past log readings, and now they are quite common. 1616876;1487780497;asciilifeform;e.g., 'ProcessMessage(inv, 37 bytes) : CHECKSUM ERROR nChecksum=812df086 hdr.nChecksum=e2d894ca' 1616877;1487780540;asciilifeform;either peculiarly broken clients have proliferated, or somebody's flipping bits on the wire... 1616878;1487787770;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes the alert messages said 'URGENT: Alert key compromised, upgrade required.' iirc this was part of prb's scheduled retirement of the alert crapola. 1616879;1487787770;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1616880;1487789996;ben_vulpes;ty asciilifeform 1616881;1487791958;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a42985808d79ae56347dae7105d9fab4/tumblr_olr2iiYWGU1u7ekixo1_1280.jpg 1616882;1487792185;asciilifeform;colour me thick -- what is happening in this photo ..? 1616883;1487792252;mircea_popescu;a man with a functionally inadequate reproductive organ has adorned his squalid abode with what purports to be cocaine. 1616884;1487792292;asciilifeform;doesn't cocaine ~shrink~ cocks ..? 1616885;1487792312;mircea_popescu;yes. 1616886;1487792317;asciilifeform;seems like somebody flipped a sign bit somewhere. 1616887;1487792323;mircea_popescu;that's the source of humour : that he's a walking stereotype and apparently unaware. 1616888;1487792335;mircea_popescu;drug abuse promotes poor hygiene, cocaine shrinks cocks, you name it. 1616889;1487792412;mircea_popescu;and here's something for bb http://68.media.tumblr.com/81e74c612c12391f05e76d733cbcf93f/tumblr_olmr0shnnR1u7ekixo1_1280.jpg 1616890;1487792415;mircea_popescu;or i guess shinohai 1616891;1487792486;shinohai;Creamed filled yet 1616892;1487792523;mircea_popescu;"what's the ultimate in orgasms ?" "to come powder. out your ass." 1616893;1487792610;shinohai;Googling "Powder orgasms" returns: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph56d5984327ba3 1616894;1487792617;mircea_popescu;sounds bout right. 1616895;1487792913;trinque;but why 1616896;1487792967;trinque;logic being, I guess, if I can't smell the fart AT LEAST I CAN SEE IT 1616897;1487792971;trinque;people are strange 1616898;1487793014;mircea_popescu;to continue our foray into cheap whoredom, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e348df8f30923111808ad8bb48d2b16f/tumblr_o7hlmyLdGv1tj8lt3o1_1280.jpg 1616899;1487794142;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/iOsua << in other lulz. Ur-fearing bitcoin, old lizard starts push of chumps into ye olde paperizable gold. 1616900;1487794370;mircea_popescu;the fourth marx brother! 1616901;1487795134;asciilifeform;in other noose, dulap is caught up. 1616902;1487795154;asciilifeform;the ping thing did some ill, and an unknown, possibly null, amount of good. 1616903;1487795190;asciilifeform;currently 9 peers. 1616904;1487795251;mircea_popescu;4 blocks in the past EIGHTY MINUTES. 1616905;1487795259;mircea_popescu;and some weird behaviours in the mempool. 1616906;1487795555;mircea_popescu;and in today's dose of monster wtf : " So like, the 0.1.2b .tar.gz contains multiple files with the same name but of different case, i.e., EuloraV0.1.2\art\Graveyard~ and EuloraV0.1.2\art\GRAVEYARD~ which Windows wants to fix by overwriting one when the .tar is unzipped. What is the proper course of action to avoid later linking errors, etc.?" 1616907;1487795559;mircea_popescu;dude, really ? 1616908;1487795926;veen;https://archive.is/x57D1 << "NASA…has discovered a new solar system [with] three [planets] that sit squarely in the so-called ‘habitable zone,’ meaning that there is the potential for liquid water: the key for life on another planet." 1616909;1487795941;veen;^^ life’s hard dep on liquid water, choice fallacy of modern astronomy. 1616910;1487795980;mircea_popescu;isn';t it ? 1616911;1487796007;veen;as long as you define life to mean life like we have on earth 1616912;1487796063;mircea_popescu;well it's kind-of the interest no ? "can trump build hotel resort" 1616913;1487796129;ben_vulpes;the search for life that's more or less pretty much just like us, so far away as to provide a nice escape out of having to do anything other than write grants 1616914;1487796132;veen;i perceive the interest to be more zoological 1616915;1487796195;veen;rule out metabolic pathways that spontaneously arose in oceans of methane and the search is ~guaranteed to come up dry 1616916;1487796207;mircea_popescu;even entertaining the zoological angle. what alternative pump do you envisage ? 1616917;1487796294;mircea_popescu;understand that water is important because it does (at least) two pumps simultaneously. firstly the heat pump, secondly the synthesis pump. it is : a) an oxide (this means it doesn't burn -- not just "not in oxygen" but not in general, few elements are more reacrtive to substitute) which b) has an immense caloric capacity and also c) is a very powerful universal solvent. 1616918;1487796312;mircea_popescu;this makes it a major schelling point for lifebuilding. do you know of an alternative material or combination that could serve ? 1616919;1487796358;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: say, CCl4 1616920;1487796363;mircea_popescu;low cc. 1616921;1487796380;veen;i'm no expert in the field of biochemistry, but i'm aware models have been proposed 1616922;1487796390;mircea_popescu;your planet will either need large oceans of something else (what ? water ? then water-life will take over) or else will experience large temperature swings 1616923;1487796401;asciilifeform;bit circular, neh. lower-cc-than-water . could still suffice. 1616924;1487796447;mircea_popescu;iirc it was 146 to water's 4k 1616925;1487796455;veen;hypothetically ammonia and various hydrocarbons could do the trick 1616926;1487796464;mircea_popescu;these more-than-order-of-magnitude differentials matter in engineering.\ 1616927;1487796504;veen;mircea_popescu: 'cc'? 1616928;1487796508;mircea_popescu;veen if you bother to do the math you'll see there's actually pretty good reason to suspect life ~= water within three or so sigmas. 1616929;1487796510;ben_vulpes;caloric capacity 1616930;1487796516;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1616931;1487796534;ben_vulpes;aka heat required to raise a gram of the material 1c 1616932;1487796542;veen;ah specific heat 1616933;1487796575;mircea_popescu;"pour ammonia on it" won't work nearly as well when your alt-lifeforms manage to start a kitchen fire out of icecubes and alt-wood shavings. 1616934;1487796851;*;veen wonders if specific heat varies with pressure 1616935;1487796857;mircea_popescu;does not. 1616936;1487796892;mircea_popescu;it is a proxy of molecular interaction strength. 1616937;1487796920;mircea_popescu;unless your idea of pressure is "degenerate matter", it dun matter. 1616938;1487796991;asciilifeform;certainly varies with phase! 1616939;1487796997;asciilifeform;consider water. 1616940;1487798885;mircea_popescu;yes with phase. but your life will contain liquid most likely. 1616941;1487799698;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other fluids, https://68.media.tumblr.com/74197ec1120e912f88282821bd2b55cd/tumblr_oj5xe2Vf2C1vaj9mco1_1280.jpg 1616942;1487800075;shinohai;Now that is non-Newtonian fluid I can get behind. 1616943;1487800124;mircea_popescu;lel 1616944;1487801354;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616940 << mircea_popescu doesn't, apparently, sweat..! 1616945;1487801354;a111;Logged on 2017-02-22 21:28 mircea_popescu: yes with phase. but your life will contain liquid most likely. 1616946;1487801883;mircea_popescu;i don't follow ? 1616947;1487801899;asciilifeform;the other phase 1616948;1487801914;mircea_popescu;yes, so there's a latent phasechange heat of what, 17k or so, roughly 4 degree's worth. 1616949;1487801932;mircea_popescu;considering you're about 50kgs of water and 50grams of sweat, i hardly see the difference. 1616950;1487801962;mircea_popescu;point being, a gas phase lifeform is rather unlikely, and a solid phase one'd be utterly slow. 1616951;1487801995;mircea_popescu;but in any case the pressurizing of a gas won't yield significant caloric capacity to matter in this discussion. 1616952;1487802008;asciilifeform;for the sake of properly massaging subj -- why not gas phase ? 1616953;1487802019;mircea_popescu;same reason no cold phusion 1616954;1487802021;mircea_popescu;disperses 1616955;1487802062;asciilifeform;hot, then, fusion, for this example. but sure. 1616956;1487802628;mircea_popescu;and speaking of hot fusion, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ef5d3d3edb7caafc86edadfe0dc2c984/tumblr_ochyum94Xl1t89i36o1_1280.jpg 1616957;1487802909;ben_vulpes;looks like a rerun 1616958;1487803865;mircea_popescu;no ? 1616959;1487808733;shinohai;I'd remember those tits .... 1616960;1487808775;shinohai;(right areola is slightly misshapen but who am I to judge 1616961;1487808840;mircea_popescu;you peeps are incredibru. 1616962;1487809462;shinohai;I wish my peeps had been incredible enough not to fuck up that Eulora click earlier this week. 1616963;1487809465;shinohai;xD 1616964;1487809499;ben_vulpes;too many 'tits at dinner', i guess, they all run together 1616965;1487809507;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: so what's going to happen with tillerson? 1616966;1487810513;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS!! 1616967;1487810520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000250.html 1616968;1487810524;*;mod6 looks 1616969;1487810873;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dunno, what ? 1616970;1487811224;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378047 << review of logic re above 1616971;1487811224;a111;Logged on 2016-01-20 02:05 asciilifeform: presently trb does not have this sane behaviour 1616972;1487811566;veen;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616772 << ben_vulpes i assume mircea_popescu doesn't mean secretary of state 1616973;1487811566;a111;Logged on 2017-02-22 04:55 mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front. 1616974;1487811566;*;shinohai likes to minagine this `wires` patch as G for trb 1616975;1487811573;shinohai;*imagine 1616976;1487811598;asciilifeform;shinohai: it's a prereq for using 'g' or any similar item 1616977;1487811640;shinohai;Also, as side note, last night's patch produced no different behaviour 1616978;1487811650;asciilifeform;it can also be used with traditional ssh tunnels; or even as-is, which will result in same situation as presently seen with 'addnode' -- but no more disconnects! 1616979;1487811650;mircea_popescu;ah that';s nice. 1616980;1487811705;mircea_popescu;solid improvement. 1616981;1487811722;asciilifeform;classical trb did not have a nondisconnectable marker for peers; would not connect to localhost; and deprioritized non-8333 ports to dead-last order. 'wires' fixes this. 1616982;1487811788;shinohai;Lots of irons in fires atm, but exciting development asciilifeform .... I will test in < 24 hrs 1616983;1487811815;asciilifeform;the one case i have not yet tested is the ~bidirectional~ wire. 1616984;1487811827;asciilifeform;i am deliberately leaving this to you lot 1616985;1487811875;asciilifeform;oh and yes, fWires flag is not currently used for anything. 1616986;1487811885;asciilifeform;( someone is certain to ask 'why' ) 1616987;1487812810;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks for submitting. 1616988;1487812847;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what means "state to petraeus" then? 1616989;1487812876;ben_vulpes;wires is neat asciilifeform 1616990;1487812886;ben_vulpes;i shall read, think -- later. 1616991;1487812913;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes was prior to tillerson being confirmed. 1616992;1487813017;ben_vulpes;hm. 1616993;1487813175;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616348 << do "marriage" and "divorce" even have much of a place in the republic? 1616994;1487813175;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 22:27 danielpbarron: ban divorce and it isn't "pedo marriage" -- she grows up eventually 1616995;1487813195;ben_vulpes;note how veen went from "my business partner" to "veen", but "my wife" is still -- mine 1616996;1487813218;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: we briefly had a case of an interactive wife here, davout's 1616997;1487813226;asciilifeform;but currently 0 1616998;1487813245;ben_vulpes;had key? 1616999;1487813248;asciilifeform;aha 1617000;1487813257;ben_vulpes;migrated to #t wot? 1617001;1487813269;ben_vulpes;suppose that woulda been done for her. 1617002;1487813271;asciilifeform;!!key oleanie 1617003;1487813272;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/317342D115FA670F29ABFF3CB6C0C41B0A85AAC9.asc 1617004;1487813285;ben_vulpes;!!reputation oleanie 1617005;1487813285;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nvSOG/?raw=true 1617006;1487813296;ben_vulpes;hah epic 1617007;1487813307;asciilifeform;there were formerly other ratings, but evaporated 1617008;1487813317;ben_vulpes;was at c2, no? 1617009;1487813320;asciilifeform;aha 1617010;1487813341;asciilifeform;smoked the smallest cigs i ever saw 1617011;1487813354;asciilifeform;like long pencil erasers. 1617012;1487813355;ben_vulpes;in absence of counterclaim, is davout's wife then 1617013;1487813406;ben_vulpes;a contractual relationship between republicans. 1617014;1487813414;ben_vulpes;or possibly implicit! 1617015;1487813443;asciilifeform;quite implicit, the marriage was certainly not executed here. 1617016;1487813445;ben_vulpes;would be interesting to see gpg wedding contracts 1617017;1487813550;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: could be contractual even if contract never executed in chan or even deeded. 1617018;1487813568;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: only in heathendom 1617019;1487813569;ben_vulpes;there is no bar to presentation of previously signed documents at a later point. 1617020;1487813592;asciilifeform;ah in that sense 1617021;1487813612;asciilifeform;given that contract is a thing only to the people in it -- sure. 1617022;1487813683;ben_vulpes;there are republicans of various standing, their vassals, and everyone else. 1617023;1487813704;ben_vulpes;the vassals for whom this grates, straight to gpg. 1617024;1487817485;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, why can't your wife also be jane ? 1617025;1487818428;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616189 << Why not just respond with "pong" like they expect? 1617026;1487818428;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 17:43 asciilifeform: could simply add anybody who emits a 'ping' to banlist. 1617027;1487818573;asciilifeform;PeterL: what part of 'prb does not own bitcoin protocol' is hard to grasp? 1617028;1487818634;asciilifeform;to what else would you have trb 'respond as they expect', PeterL ? bloom filter? segshitness? 1617029;1487818666;asciilifeform;no pasaran. 1617030;1487818729;PeterL;seems like a ping, pong is not a big change, but I guess I see your point. Is there any benefit to it, or is it strictly noise? 1617031;1487818742;mircea_popescu;this is complicated point 1617032;1487818770;mircea_popescu;there is some value in node discovery, but there's a major problem with the socket starvation. 1617033;1487818882;asciilifeform;PeterL: so far i've found ~0 net effect. (earlier today thought that it was a net loss, but dulap caught up and stayed caught up.) 1617034;1487821624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform block verification having been your actual issue as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616446 1617035;1487821624;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 22:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect your node's problem is verification. 1617036;1487821696;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: block verification is ~an~ issue, world stops for 3-8 minutes when block candidate is being eaten. but is demonstrably not the cause of multi-hour blackhole. 1617037;1487821805;mircea_popescu;yeah. just, back on the 21st the problem happened ot be a pile of contrived blocks s'all. 1617038;1487821830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you know moar, i'm all ears 1617039;1487821868;mircea_popescu;if only. the pile of gnarl is unfuckingtraceable. 1617040;1487821926;mircea_popescu;but that 3-8 minutes CAN be half an hour. 1617041;1487821933;asciilifeform;btw do the prb folk have parallelized block verify yet? or do they simply eat whatever garbage. 1617042;1487821946;mircea_popescu;they more or less gave up on verifying. 1617043;1487821964;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: next patch is a blockverify timer. 1617044;1487821977;mircea_popescu;this is useful. 1617045;1487822051;mircea_popescu;esp if you get it a little more detailed. per tx. 1617046;1487822098;asciilifeform;aha 1617047;1487822108;asciilifeform;in other wtf, https://hub.docker.com/r/mazaclub/btc-therealbitcoin-base 1617048;1487822113;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point in case block we were discussing yest. i timed it at 22 minutes on "reasonable" amd. 1617049;1487822118;asciilifeform;^ who... and why?? 1617050;1487822124;mircea_popescu;nobody and why not. 1617051;1487822138;asciilifeform;lol 1617052;1487822185;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: might be interesting to extend my eatblock experiment to modern height 1617053;1487822203;mircea_popescu;i think that's a fine example to be instrumented for study. 1617054;1487822218;mircea_popescu;just profile the code eating it. 1617055;1487822229;asciilifeform;( if you recall , that was when we had a trb node, offline, eat the complete chain to date from disk, with timer and valgrind going ) 1617056;1487822237;mircea_popescu;no, i am aware. 1617057;1487822282;asciilifeform;that xxxx74 block may well be close to 'worstcase' 1617058;1487822324;mircea_popescu;it's not even the usual worstcase but some novel hell 1617059;1487822401;asciilifeform;i'ma guess the elixir of slooow is: disk thrashing via snarfing of old inputs 1617060;1487822429;asciilifeform;with max nonlocality 1617061;1487822450;asciilifeform;(a 2010 here, a 2011 there...) 1617062;1487822465;mircea_popescu;scripts also manage to clog. 1617063;1487822497;asciilifeform;disk is the real killer tho. 1617064;1487822521;asciilifeform;(there is a sigop limit, but no block seek thrash limit!) 1617065;1487822544;mircea_popescu;there is some indirect coinbase selection stuff. 1617066;1487824093;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ^ who... and why?? << lol indeed 1617067;1487825059;asciilifeform;update: both 'wired' nodes at 454265 1617068;1487825083;asciilifeform; !~bc stats 1617069;1487825086;asciilifeform;!~bc stats 1617070;1487825086;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "bc" is not a valid command. 1617071;1487825088;asciilifeform;hm 1617072;1487825102;asciilifeform;!~bcstats 1617073;1487825103;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Current Blocks: 454265 | Current Difficulty: 4.40779902286E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 455615 | Next Difficulty In: 1350 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1617074;1487826622;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-iii/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part III 1617075;1487828430;trinque;this is getting great. 1617076;1487845827;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1617077;1487845834;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1132.0, vol: 11870.49427512 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1110.612, vol: 5569.02674 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1134.8, vol: 14528.00686702 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1086.519981, vol: 4311.64890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1134.1, vol: 1989.691172 | Volume-weighted last average: 1124.93557762 1617078;1487862628;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://shattered.io 1617079;1487862978;mircea_popescu;google has gpu farm huh. 1617080;1487863010;asciilifeform;fpga farm also. 1617081;1487863021;asciilifeform;(not mega-seekrit, it was what alphago ran on) 1617082;1487863033;shinohai;In other news `SHA-1` is trending on twitter today: https://twitter.com/search?q=SHA-1&src=tren 1617083;1487863169;asciilifeform;!#s sha1 1617084;1487863170;a111;181 results for "sha1", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sha1 1617085;1487863177;asciilifeform;^ rich chronicle of lulz 1617086;1487863459;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ << Trilema - Is it still rape if I write "science" on my penis first ? 1617087;1487863784;asciilifeform;oh mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : the wires patch has a mistake, it fails to reconnect; please do not waste time to test it until fixed. 1617088;1487869002;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1617089;1487869005;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000251.html 1617090;1487869013;asciilifeform;^ [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Wires (rev. 1) 1617091;1487869123;trinque;However they ~will~ prevent the idiotic situation where known/trusted nodes were treated equally to random scum. << lovely, thank you asciilifeform 1617092;1487869135;trinque;later today I will test 1617093;1487869236;asciilifeform;trinque: two main things to test, afaik: 1) reconnects (let it connect, then temporarily ban ip in iptables on the other side; see how long it takes to reconnect) and 2 ) bidirectional wires, two nodes 'wired to' one another, same, in each direction. 1617094;1487869267;shinohai;ty asciilifeform .... will test this afternoon 1617095;1487869275;asciilifeform;third item to test : two or more wires. 1617096;1487869339;asciilifeform;fourth item : wires over ssh tunnel (set up the tunnel, then add 127.0.0.1:tunnelport as your wire) 1617097;1487869379;asciilifeform;that's pretty much it. 1617098;1487869398;trinque;you got it. 1617099;1487869504;asciilifeform;oh i neglected to revise the readme: 'they don't ever voluntarily get disconnected' is not strictly true!!!! wires are now permitted to disconnect (in catastrophic situations, e.g. flood) but will attempt to reconnect after the set interval, ad infinitum. 1617100;1487870561;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu in re: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617048 , interestingly zoolag -- despite being an x86 comp the size of a tea saucer, and weighing ~400 gram -- has roughly 3x faster block verification (of given block) than dulap ! -- on account of ssd. 1617101;1487870561;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 03:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, the point in case block we were discussing yest. i timed it at 22 minutes on "reasonable" amd. 1617102;1487870561;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1617103;1487870891;mircea_popescu;there's also that. 1617104;1487870944;asciilifeform;seems to support the disk thrashing hypothesis. 1617105;1487870958;mircea_popescu;certainly a large part. 1617106;1487871109;asciilifeform;in other lulz: 1617107;1487871113;asciilifeform;'One of the first speeches at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference challenged the media to stop referring to the “alt-right,” a small, far-right movement that seeks a whites-only state and that strongly backed Donald Trump for president, as conservative. “There is a sinister organization that is trying to warp its way into our ranks,” said Dan Schneider, the executive director of the American Conservative Un 1617108;1487871113;asciilifeform;ion, which runs CPAC. “We must not be deceived by [a] hateful, left-wing fascist group.”' 1617109;1487871157;asciilifeform;and in neighbouring monkey cage, 1617110;1487871159;asciilifeform;'William H. McRaven, a retired four-star admiral and former Navy SEAL, defended journalists this week, calling President Trump’s denunciation of the media as “the enemy of the American people” the “greatest threat to democracy” he’s seen in his lifetime.' 1617111;1487871195;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/3s601 , https://archive.is/nApiy for dedicated entomologists . ) 1617112;1487871332;asciilifeform;and in same fishwrap, another 'new york deathray plot', https://archive.is/me1dv >> 'The U.S. Army veteran was charged last week with trying to support the Islamic State ... Agents swooped in during a meeting with a man Hester believed was an Islamic State contact, according to an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Missouri. But the man was actually an undercover FBI agent who had been building a case against the 25-year-0ld f 1617113;1487871332;asciilifeform;ather of two.' 1617114;1487871374;asciilifeform;'On his profile, he described himself as “Zionist Jew Pig Redneck Hunting Super Assassin,” according to court documents. ' 1617115;1487871377;asciilifeform;brilliant. 1617116;1487871515;asciilifeform;'Hester said he didn’t have money for bullets but could buy some in a couple weeks when he got his tax return.' 1617117;1487872481;mats;lol 1617118;1487872586;asciilifeform;nao, nobody expects to read about non-retarded 13337 t3rror1stz in the völkischer beobachter. but apparently nowhere else, either. 1617119;1487872591;mircea_popescu;clearly the jew pig did a great turn for our democracy. 1617120;1487872614;mircea_popescu;these be dangerous twenty five year olds with two kids. 1617121;1487872648;asciilifeform;and with temper tantrums at wife in lolmart, etc. 1617122;1487872651;asciilifeform;fit for lafond article. 1617123;1487872652;mircea_popescu;anyway, what did the pravda say, what is the "big" and non-alt-right conservative ? 1617124;1487872665;mircea_popescu;either in terms of who participates or what it proposes. i can't seem to find either ? 1617125;1487872674;mircea_popescu;this "small" alt right seems to be about the entire right. 1617126;1487872763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'non-alt' is the old 'gop', the one that sets up 9/11s, invades iraq, etc. 1617127;1487872781;mircea_popescu;umm 1617128;1487872798;asciilifeform;'alt' is -- until recently -- crackpots, mr.mold et al. now is hell knows what, 1,001 remoras. 1617129;1487872804;mircea_popescu;ie what, rove + rumsfeld ? can they even piss on their own by now ? 1617130;1487872821;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they put on new set of hand muppet gloves, clitler et al. 1617131;1487872843;mircea_popescu;i thought the pantsuit clown was "progressive" not "conservative". 1617132;1487872849;mircea_popescu;did they mix the hagen dasz ? 1617133;1487872902;asciilifeform;the 'respectable conservatives' are a zhirinovskian 'heat sink' and have been for decades. 1617134;1487872947;mircea_popescu;so the media reports to have been "challenged" to stop mentioning the rapist raping it into an early grave by certain imaginary friends it has hallucinated into existence ? 1617135;1487872952;mircea_popescu;somebody should give the media its pills. 1617136;1487873323;asciilifeform;speaking of zhirinovskys, 1617137;1487873325;asciilifeform;'White nationalist Richard Spencer says he’s been kicked out of a gathering of conservative activists. Spencer posted a video on the internet saying he was “politely asked to leave” the Conservative Political Action Conference. Spencer was booted shortly after being denounced by an organizer of the conference. American Conservative Union Executive Director Dan Schneider denounced the so-called alt-right as anti-Semitic, racist 1617138;1487873326;asciilifeform;and sexist.' 1617139;1487873702;mats;i lost some coin betting against the sha1 collision 1617140;1487873711;mats;:( 1617141;1487873716;mircea_popescu;aw 1617142;1487873729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check that out, just like the white house! 1617143;1487873790;mircea_popescu;it shall be so lulzy to watch the libertards reconstruct BOTH the shreds of their failed official-left party as well as an imaginary not-trump GOP, all this while actually having to work two jobs to support themselves because well, the endowments are gone-gone. 1617144;1487873806;mircea_popescu;it's like going from jewish princess to blue collar divorced man in the space of one fucking season. 1617145;1487874516;asciilifeform;they're gone?! 1617146;1487874519;*;asciilifeform missed the memo 1617147;1487874537;mircea_popescu;they're gone. 1617148;1487874710;asciilifeform;mats: it is a little disappointing, apparently not fully general collision, but only works on strings having a certain structure 1617149;1487874722;asciilifeform;which, i cannot help but notice, resembles the mirrored keys on phuctor... 1617150;1487874748;mats;i am inconsolable 1617151;1487874866;mats;likely donged by some googler in the project 1617152;1487874909;asciilifeform;mats: i learned my lesson re bbet during the leesedol thing. 1617153;1487874918;mats;i did not learn my lesson 1617154;1487874939;mats;it is time for me to give up betting 1617155;1487874944;asciilifeform;'don't play chump games unless you stacked the deck yourself. and even then, reconsider.' 1617156;1487874945;mats;i am reformed 1617157;1487874964;mats;i was also stung by the alphago bet 1617158;1487874981;mircea_popescu;betting is supposed to be a passtime you. 1617159;1487874998;mircea_popescu;exactly like talking to unknown women. 1617160;1487875003;mircea_popescu;you're not supposed to build your life on it. 1617161;1487875009;asciilifeform;more like taking unknown pills. 1617162;1487875022;mircea_popescu;not unless you're gay. 1617163;1487875082;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically they're mining pdfs. anything, ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, please god anything, just as long as it's not the thing. 1617164;1487875092;mircea_popescu;they should probably hire adlai. 1617165;1487875096;asciilifeform;waiwat 1617166;1487875130;mircea_popescu;dude, they are mining pdfs. you understand this ? 1617167;1487875146;mircea_popescu;added a fucking nonce, diddle it, hurr durr we're contributering. 1617168;1487875149;asciilifeform;the sha1 people posted the algo. shouldn't take too much work to turn it into a, e.g., gpg fp clobberer. 1617169;1487875167;asciilifeform;as i currently understand it. 1617170;1487875170;mircea_popescu;~none whatsoever, yep. 1617171;1487875176;asciilifeform;or git clobberer 1617172;1487875181;mircea_popescu;that's already broken. 1617173;1487875188;shinohai;lel 1617174;1487875190;mircea_popescu;anyway, may even work with the FULL fingerprint/ 1617175;1487875197;asciilifeform;well yes, specifically the full fp 1617176;1487875206;asciilifeform;short fp was breakable on a 486 1617177;1487875207;mircea_popescu;which is funny seeing how tmsr design was moving towards "full modulus" a year ago and "for no reason" 1617178;1487875217;mircea_popescu;other than us being you know, unscientific and crazy. 1617179;1487875227;asciilifeform;'refused to use git for no reason' 1617180;1487875240;asciilifeform;'ain't git-cum-pgp as good as v..?' -- somebody or other 1617181;1487875241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's an intermediate fp between the 40 char and the 8 char item. 1617182;1487875324;asciilifeform;'A V4 fingerprint is the 160-bit SHA-1 hash of the octet 0x99, followed by the two-octet packet length, followed by the entire Public-Key packet starting with the version field. The Key ID is the low-order 64 bits of the fingerprint. ' -- ye olde rfc4880 1617183;1487875382;asciilifeform;notice that this comes with a built-in twiddle nonce -- the key creation timestamp 1617184;1487875388;mircea_popescu;aha 1617185;1487875442;adlai;mircea_popescu: dafuq do you want 1617186;1487875484;mircea_popescu;dude, get lost. i'm going to use you for a urinal. that's it. 1617187;1487875526;asciilifeform;lel d00d was tuned in, all this time.. 1617188;1487875569;mircea_popescu;bare life is resilient if nothing else. 1617189;1487875571;mircea_popescu;the female lesson. 1617190;1487875577;adlai;all i gotta say is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612989 << takes one to know one! 1617191;1487875577;a111;Logged on 2017-02-10 14:49 mircea_popescu: you are an idiot ; go away. 1617192;1487875590;asciilifeform;adlai: any time you feel like doing something useful -- no shortage of items. there is, for instance, a trb knob direly needing testing, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000251.html 1617193;1487875677;danielpbarron;the collision was apparently real enough to trigger the spending of a bounty contained in some nonstandard address abomination >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.msg17950195#msg17950195 1617194;1487875678;mircea_popescu;don't be ridiculous. 1617195;1487875698;shinohai;A Gavinized addy to be fair 1617196;1487875699;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it's as real as it gets, why wouldn't it be real 1617197;1487875701;trinque;!!v F3F6D82C88ACE2E26D827DD848196508ACC2E2F5ACBF465EA39F4618FDE17FB6 1617198;1487875701;deedbot;trinque rated adlai -1 << endless noise 1617199;1487875719;danielpbarron;!!gettrust deedbot adlai 1617200;1487875719;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 5 connections. 1617201;1487875740;asciilifeform;lol firing squad 1617202;1487875822;asciilifeform;in other vintage lulz, 'Note also that unlike nearly every other OpenPGP subsystem, there are no parameters in the MDC system. It hard-defines SHA-1 as its hash function. This is not an accident. It is an intentional choice to avoid downgrade and cross-grade attacks while making a simple, fast system. (A downgrade attack would be an attack that replaced SHA-256 with SHA-1, for example. A cross-grade attack would replace SHA-1 wi 1617203;1487875822;asciilifeform;th another 160-bit hash, such as RIPE-MD/160, for example.)' 1617204;1487875824;danielpbarron;!!v B70C174B83C2EDD8F14C99B964B18D4763A3471642B3247CABB7258FE1BA4F4A 1617205;1487875824;deedbot;danielpbarron rated adlai -1 << shut up already 1617206;1487875826;asciilifeform;-- the -- i shit thee not -- rfc. 1617207;1487875838;mircea_popescu;lel 1617208;1487875861;asciilifeform;'to prevent anal punishments, we pre-inserted this road cone into your arse. this is not an accident. it is an intentional choice...' 1617209;1487876072;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617193 >> golden lulzies, 'Note that the value of your SHA256, RIPEMD160, RIPEMD160(SHA256()) or SHA256^2 bounty may be diminished by the act of collecting it.' 1617210;1487876072;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 18:47 danielpbarron: the collision was apparently real enough to trigger the spending of a bounty contained in some nonstandard address abomination >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.msg17950195#msg17950195 1617211;1487876280;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the important point there is : the whole fake bitcoin address (3something) is supposed to be "useful" in practice. this utility is supposed to be proven by idiotic "challenges" like this one put up by peter todd. EXCEPT the output does not actually SIGN the transaction claiming the bounty. 1617212;1487876314;asciilifeform;it was a toy, and even explicitly warned 'you must mine the block yourself, or miner can simply take the prize' 1617213;1487876323;mircea_popescu;what they say is "we recommend you mine the block yourself", because totally, this is how it goes, instead of saying "we understand this doohickey is braindamaged beyond the conceivable and the only reason it exists is the existential void besetting our meaningless existence" 1617214;1487876351;mircea_popescu;it's not so much a toy as peter todd & friends are retards. 1617215;1487876396;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack, for whoever may have forgotten, gpg sigs ONLY contain 64bit keyid. e.g., from my vpatch sigs, 0xB98228A001ABFFC7 . 1617216;1487876399;mircea_popescu;or to quote from the cesspool, "This is both incredibly fascinating, and a beautiful show of the kinds of innovation the Bitcoin system supports!" 1617217;1487876436;asciilifeform;at quite reasonable expense, enemy can produce a key that sha-fp's to B98228A001ABFFC7, and for which he has the priv p,q. 1617218;1487876444;asciilifeform;ditto mircea_popescu's, and everybody else. 1617219;1487876502;mircea_popescu;yeah, the whole rsa signature thing needs an overhaul. 1617220;1487876513;asciilifeform;it is not particularly difficult for tmsr folk to avoid situation where this boojum matters. however it is quite ~impossible~ for heathens to avoid. 1617221;1487876525;asciilifeform;signatures from, e.g., linus, are automatically in question. 1617222;1487876544;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough challenge is actually stronger. 1617223;1487876552;asciilifeform;and anyone else with whom you (for particular values of 'you') have not exchanged, out of band, modulus. 1617224;1487876628;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1523633 << see also. 1617225;1487876628;a111;Logged on 2016-08-18 00:38 asciilifeform: mod6: all pgptrons live and die by sha1. 1617226;1487876708;asciilifeform;and also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1483829 thread. 1617227;1487876708;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 02:16 asciilifeform: btw does mircea_popescu know what would happen if a pgp key with his main key but new magical subkey were generated and posted to sks ? 1617228;1487876885;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough -- it is currently the case that deedbot's deeds list integrity is currently protected by republican design rather than by usg's "cryptographic standards". 1617229;1487876911;asciilifeform;mechanical, bitwise integrity -- yes 1617230;1487876913;mircea_popescu;this is where you link any imbecile of the geoffrey supran variety who dares blather about how "do not homebrew crypto" 1617231;1487876927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i just mean the reason it can't get crapflooded with fake deeds. 1617232;1487876932;mircea_popescu;"gotta be voiced" 1617233;1487876964;asciilifeform;not without a broad daylight fleanode break. 1617234;1487876987;mircea_popescu;even then. "you weren't voiced on my machine, whence did this deed come from" 1617235;1487877093;asciilifeform;the real headache is that it is entirely possible to produce a 'i eat toe fungus!', signed, sincerely, 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452. a year ago i estimated that this costs 100k usd. today -- probably a few thou. 1617236;1487877146;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o hey, consider this situation : 1. i know your fp, so i make fake key for that fp. 2. i know trinque 's fp, so i make fake key for that fp too. 3. i know you keep a signed copy of trinque's key on your keyring ; so : 4. i proceed to sign trinque's fake key with your fake key and 5. pretend to be a noob and give you my gpg pubkey. 1617237;1487877160;mircea_popescu;if you --import it gpg will probably update trinque's key under your signature won't it. 1617238;1487877168;asciilifeform;it will, guaranteed. 1617239;1487877181;asciilifeform;the keyring thing is a work of evil. 1617240;1487877183;mircea_popescu;well ahem. 1617241;1487877251;ben_vulpes;oh fuckin gross 1617242;1487877252;mircea_popescu;apparently replacing gpg just became top priority. 1617243;1487877349;asciilifeform;became a serious itch for asciilifeform when he watched a sha1 collision get crapped out on demand, for minor project, at butugychag 1+ yr ago 1617244;1487877390;mircea_popescu;we started moving away from sha-1 to sha-512 digests for clearsigned messages what, coupla years back ? 1617245;1487877400;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes but this does 0 for gpg fp. 1617246;1487877404;asciilifeform;they are hard-wired to sha. 1617247;1487877411;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1617248;1487877427;asciilifeform;regardless of knob settings. it is required by the rfc, and is in common among all known pgptrons. 1617249;1487877447;mircea_popescu;i'm not disputing that part ; just saying that it's not exactly a surprise. 1617250;1487877468;asciilifeform;should not have been a surprise, to anyone. like the old example of derelict bridge falling down. 'not an if, but a when' 1617251;1487877538;mircea_popescu;anyway. to get back to the point of interest : it is entirely possible to produce a 'i eat toe fungus!', signed, sincerely, 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452. ; but it is not possible to hide the fact that this was a fake from the owner of the privkey and anyone who has his pubkey. 1617252;1487877578;asciilifeform;trivially correct. 1617253;1487877630;mircea_popescu;right. 1617254;1487877635;asciilifeform;will add also that from the pov of a third party unliked to wot of (owner) or (usurper), there are now ~two~ 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452 people. 1617255;1487877636;mircea_popescu;now, this said, we still should prolly replace gpg. 1617256;1487877838;mircea_popescu;(and, of course, we have, courtesy of you know, that "unreasonable expenditure that will spell the ruin of s.nsa and with it of the entire republic!!11" a complete list of all rsa moduli.) 1617257;1487878063;asciilifeform;we also have a few other things, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581867 . 1617258;1487878063;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 23:00 asciilifeform: i was not going to expand on the 'p' thread until the proggy is done, but this is probably a good time to say 1 more 1617259;1487878109;mircea_popescu;how's that coming along ? 1617260;1487878142;asciilifeform;~done. i was aiming to SPARKify it before release... 1617261;1487878173;mircea_popescu;i think it's a good time to release (provided it doesn't turn into a wires thing eh!), we can have it on qntra and "republic same day response" etc. 1617262;1487878188;asciilifeform;this is one of those 'sapper -- errs once' affairs. 1617263;1487878196;asciilifeform;safety-critical code. 1617264;1487878214;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'SPARKify'? reduce existing code to fit into SPARK subset of ada? 1617265;1487878225;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it is more than simply 'reduce', but yes 1617266;1487878233;ben_vulpes;aye, certainly. 1617267;1487878511;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581753 << prev thread re subj 1617268;1487878511;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 21:09 asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it. 1617269;1487879094;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/23/joseph-and-the-amazing-technicolor-dreamcoat/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat 1617270;1487880652;deedbot;http://thestringpuller.com/2017/02/simple-blender-2-66-cal3d/ << Pull Your Own Strings - Simple Blender 2.66 -> Cal3d 1617271;1487887393;ben_vulpes;spinmeisters in full effect: https://theconversation.com/red-state-rural-america-is-acting-on-climate-change-without-calling-it-climate-change-69866 1617272;1487888206;asciilifeform;'YouTube cuts popular live stream of giraffe about to give birth for 'nudity and sexual content'' 1617273;1487888372;trinque;!~ticker --market all 1617274;1487888393;jhvh1;trinque: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1178.98, vol: 10955.20557454 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1136.159, vol: 6445.08664 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1181.4, vol: 21505.71700862 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1119.21264, vol: 5499.66000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1179.0, vol: 2546.68111312 | Volume-weighted last average: 1167.21082463 1617275;1487888453;trinque;it has now been zero minutes since the last all time low for USD 1617276;1487888505;asciilifeform;elsewhere, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616821 >> http://archive.is/QoAki << 'Google’s Jigsaw unit, as part of a larger effort to battle online trolling, said earlier today that it was releasing a new tool called Perspective, software that uses machine learning to detect harassment and abuse online.' 1617277;1487888505;a111;Logged on 2017-02-22 07:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on. 1617278;1487888564;asciilifeform;'The software works by determining the “toxicity” of online comments, a scale that has been established by mining millions of comments from the web and then presenting them to panels of 10 people (humans!) at a clip to get their feedback. ' 1617279;1487888596;asciilifeform;'Update February 23rd, 1:45PM ET: Twitter user Ramsey Nasser points out that the algorithm has consistently high toxicity for Arabic, no matter the content.' 1617280;1487888599;asciilifeform;gold. 1617281;1487888738;asciilifeform;trinque: what about http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-04#405828 ? 1617282;1487888738;a111;Logged on 2013-12-04 18:23 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 1210.0, vol: 15442.99754919 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1150.01, vol: 12582.57372365 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1059.9, vol: 11463.51851 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1150.01, vol: 2621.40917063 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 975.55, vol: 94.01568371 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1126.0836, vol: 49103.04600000 | Volume-weighted last average: 1135.7963542 1617283;1487888768;asciilifeform;or what, we aren't counting mtgox ? then why count the other leveraged and otherwise paper-addled exchanges. 1617284;1487888879;trinque;you're ruining perfectly good gloating, you know 1617285;1487888887;asciilifeform;lel 1617286;1487889723;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, system of two 'wired' trb nodes appears to have marked resistance to 'blackhole'. 1617287;1487890483;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mtgox went to 1 cent, not high. 1617288;1487890600;asciilifeform;first it went to 1300s. 1617289;1487890609;mircea_popescu;a did it ? 1617290;1487890735;asciilifeform;iirc? 1617291;1487890940;mircea_popescu;anyway, re "online trolling", it's by now a rather transparent euphemism for "racist homophobic terrorism" aka "russia influencing elections" aka pantsuit clown getting raped by reality. 1617292;1487891139;mircea_popescu;o hey check it out -- latest trilema article not actually indexed by google. 1617293;1487891193;mircea_popescu;this could be because "rape" (this happened before, a few trilema articles that google unhappened) ; or maybe triloxic content finally got its comeuppance. 1617294;1487891465;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the monkey cage, https://archive.is/TlYxN 1617295;1487891580;mircea_popescu;heh. 1617296;1487891602;mircea_popescu;turns out "the biftinex hack" was ~= same as "the mtgox blabla", ie usg ran off with the coins ? 1617297;1487891748;mircea_popescu;(but nice trick with the archive there, got me to check out reddit and it wasn't even talking about me!) 1617298;1487891762;asciilifeform;lul 1617299;1487892526;asciilifeform;in other noose! zoolag and dulap are now wire-via-ssh-tunneled together. 1617300;1487892530;asciilifeform;worx great. 1617301;1487893929;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1617302;1487893937;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , shinohai , et al : 1617303;1487893938;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000252.html 1617304;1487893944;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) A Recipe for the use of Wires via SSH Tunnels. 1617305;1487894006;asciilifeform;and holy mother of fuck, jurov , why does your thing mangle '@' into 'at' 1617306;1487894015;mircea_popescu;guess. 1617307;1487894018;asciilifeform;guessed. 1617308;1487894049;asciilifeform;anyway this is up an' running. 1617309;1487894287;asciilifeform;in other lulz, mircea_popescu , https://archive.is/HIr9r << i think we have the answer to 'why did asciilifeform get 64kb of crapolade in the guise of ZIPs from archive.is in july of '16 ? ' 1617310;1487894306;asciilifeform;'cloudbleed' 1617311;1487894313;asciilifeform;'On February 17th 2017, I was working on a corpus distillation project, when I encountered some data that didn't match what I had been expecting. It's not unusual to find garbage, corrupt data, mislabeled data or just crazy non-conforming data...but the format of the data this time was confusing enough that I spent some time trying to debug what had gone wrong, wondering if it was a bug in my code. In fact, the data was bizarre enoug 1617312;1487894313;asciilifeform;h that some colleagues around the Project Zero office even got intrigued. It became clear after a while we were looking at chunks of uninitialized memory interspersed with valid data. ...' 1617313;1487894414;asciilifeform;( and yes, archive.is uses shitflare , continuously ) 1617314;1487894432;asciilifeform;'I don't know if this issue was noticed and exploited, but I'm sure other crawlers have collected data and that users have saved or cached content and don't realize what they have, etc. We've discovered (and purged) cached pages that contain private messages from well-known services, PII from major sites that use cloudflare, and even plaintext API requests from a popular password manager that were sent over https (!!).' 1617315;1487894595;asciilifeform;usg.google, unsurprisingly, has top priority of... purging 13333337 s33333kr1tz from its public caches. 1617316;1487894602;asciilifeform;because this unrapes, apparently, someone. 1617317;1487894655;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/X00QT << from the horse's mouth. 1617318;1487894671;asciilifeform;'The underlying bug occurs because of a pointer error.' 1617319;1487894715;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy that they had the 'how we FOUND our BUG!' document hot an'ready to broadcast. 1617320;1487894883;asciilifeform;ok this is delicious, but i must briefly revisit upstack: mircea_popescu , mod6 , or anyone else in my l1 who wants to ssh+wire-peer with dulap: please gpggram a ssh rsa pubkey to me. 1617321;1487894995;mircea_popescu;heh 1617322;1487895083;mircea_popescu;so basically cloudflare is a piece of shit. whoa. 1617323;1487895664;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/02/24/basic-toolchain-for-blender-cal3d-crystal-space/ << Ossasepia - Basic toolchain for Blender – Cal3d – Crystal Space 1617324;1487897218;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in termic engines, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b690d4d66a18d5f44de2edf2d68bb0d4/tumblr_o8jfq0HgWU1ulgtj6o1_500.gif 1617325;1487897918;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1617326;1487897934;asciilifeform;'opposed piston engine' 1617327;1487898264;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this is quite neat 1617328;1487898280;ben_vulpes;how many hours does it take to pay your rent? 1617329;1487898335;asciilifeform;hm 1617330;1487898340;asciilifeform;i'm usually sold by the pound... 1617331;1487898352;mircea_popescu;i thought you were sold by the year+ 1617332;1487898373;asciilifeform;typically 1617333;1487898395;ben_vulpes;http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0ai6YR1E1re5z1ko1_1280.png 1617334;1487898401;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you're not going to get a straight answer. 1617335;1487898421;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not looking for an answer, it's a compliment on the his prolific output 1617336;1487898426;mircea_popescu;scary 1617337;1487898620;asciilifeform;dulap down for next 3 minutes, folx 1617338;1487898628;asciilifeform;(only node, rather, on dulap) 1617339;1487898646;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you got reversin' that needs doing, or wat 1617340;1487898714;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaand we're back. 1617341;1487898717;asciilifeform;no moar ping-reject. 1617342;1487898757;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaand wire-reconnector worx! 1617343;1487898815;asciilifeform;( what this looks like : you get some, e.g., 'WARNING: disconnecting wire 127.0.0.1:9000 ! (will retry...)' in the debug log. until the wire peer is happy to eat again . ) 1617344;1487898862;asciilifeform;lulzily we're banning ~100% of prb nao because they ~insist~ on shitting out 'alert' packets 1617345;1487898880;asciilifeform;(mine, and any other malleus-enabled nodez, will ban.) 1617346;1487899634;asciilifeform;22 peers. 1617347;1487899751;veen;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611108 << soliciting further input on this question 1617348;1487899751;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 15:53 asciilifeform: not a difficult patch, but remains to ask, for which kernel. 1617349;1487899765;asciilifeform;what would you like to know, veen ? 1617350;1487899885;veen;consider a kernel patch to bypass /dev/*random insanity with say "just open and read such-and-such file which i trust has acceptably random bytes in it" 1617351;1487899914;asciilifeform;veen: file ? you gonna store the position somewhere ? 1617352;1487899918;veen;linux, or BSD? 1617353;1487899979;veen;by way of example, imagine /dev/random is just an alias for e.g. /dev/fuckgoats 1617354;1487900007;asciilifeform;let's suppose you trip over the cable. for sake of argument -- what then 1617355;1487900021;veen;it blocks 1617356;1487900028;asciilifeform;or suppose you have -- as i recommend - three FUCKGOATSen. 1617357;1487900042;veen;you would 1617358;1487900067;veen;up to your fuckgoats hardward or driver, i suppose 1617359;1487900078;asciilifeform;there's no driver, veen , it's a tty 1617360;1487900078;veen;maybe i'm coming at this in completely the wrong way 1617361;1487900089;asciilifeform;it plugs in through a ttl to usbuart plug 1617362;1487900090;veen;sure sure, wavehands, whatever 1617363;1487900150;veen;put it this way, i couldn't figure out how to generate a gpg keypair with fuckgoats, because gpg reads /dev/random, and i couldn't work out how to get fuckgoats (or any other file-like) shimmed in there 1617364;1487900152;asciilifeform;my point is, sane proggy oughta know how to eat multiple /dev/ttyUSB0, /dev/ttyUSB1, ... however many, correctly. 1617365;1487900159;asciilifeform;and there is no reason for it to happen in the kernel . 1617366;1487900256;asciilifeform;i would say 'replace /dev/random in gpg source with /dev/fg and build' but the rng in gpg is monumentally retarded and i disrecommend its use entirely 1617367;1487900274;veen;be that as it may, we don't inhabit a world of sane programs 1617368;1487900315;asciilifeform;veen: have patience, i have only 2 hands 1617369;1487900332;veen;great, but gpg is only one of n programs on my system that need good random numbers, and i don't care to recompile them all 1617370;1487900337;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617259 << thread today ) 1617371;1487900337;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 19:28 mircea_popescu: how's that coming along ? 1617372;1487900368;asciilifeform;veen: rng in gpg has serious problems , on top of using /dev/random 1617373;1487900411;veen;oh it runs output of /dev/random through it's own ('cs')prng? 1617374;1487900415;asciilifeform;see also http://qntra.net/2016/08/rng-whitening-bug-weakened-all-versions-of-gpg . 1617375;1487900416;asciilifeform;aha. 1617376;1487900587;veen;fun 1617377;1487900655;trinque;just to entertain the thing, since dev's this fancy udev thing now, could have some udev rule to delete /dev/random and plop another device node in its place, via symlink or w/e 1617378;1487900684;asciilifeform;theoretically. 1617379;1487900692;asciilifeform;there are some nuances though. 1617380;1487900697;asciilifeform;you MUST kill flow control 1617381;1487900709;asciilifeform;or the tty will LOSE CONTROL CHARS !!!! 1617382;1487900721;asciilifeform;i.e. NOT emit flat spectrum of octets 0x00 - 0xFF !!!!!! 1617383;1487900727;asciilifeform;because unix is retarded 1617384;1487900732;asciilifeform;and this exists. 1617385;1487900745;asciilifeform;the requisite necks for it to unexist, have not yet been broken. 1617386;1487900775;asciilifeform;you also MUST have some means for not attempting to cryptoate if the device for whatever reason is not functioning. 1617387;1487900812;asciilifeform;(there is a red alarm lamp on the pcb to alert in case of analogue rng failure, but it is theoretically possible for the circuit to break outside of FUCKGOATS proper) 1617388;1487900938;veen;wait, what in the loop cares about control chars? 1617389;1487900969;asciilifeform;veen: linux, by default. because it was dropped as a baby. 1617390;1487900982;asciilifeform;loses, e.g., 0x03. 1617391;1487901002;veen;i'm imagining arch like: device -> udev fuckery -> prog reading /dev/random 1617392;1487901007;veen;where's the problem? 1617393;1487901077;veen;unless i'm grossly misunderstanding the sematics, reading /dev/random for infinity should produce dat sweet flat spectrum, right? 1617394;1487901456;asciilifeform;stty -ixon 1617395;1487901456;asciilifeform;iirc. 1617396;1487901462;asciilifeform;^ cure 1617397;1487901494;asciilifeform;rather, stty -ixon /dev/yourfg 1617398;1487901526;veen;specific to tty devices no? 1617399;1487901534;asciilifeform;well yes. 1617400;1487901547;asciilifeform;on a unixline, FUCKGOATS shows up as a modem. 1617401;1487901566;asciilifeform;this is deliberate, the os has no business knowing what it is. 1617402;1487901569;asciilifeform;or how many you have. 1617403;1487901585;asciilifeform;!#s specificity 1617404;1487901585;a111;60 results for "specificity", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=specificity 1617405;1487901701;veen;asciilifeform: what are known-good, currently-doable usecases for FUCKGOATS 1617406;1487901750;asciilifeform;veen: there's the one you described (conventional gpg with string '/dev/random' ripped out and replaced with the correct) ; 1617407;1487901771;asciilifeform;there are also others ( e.g., generating onetimepads; or in general input for any proggy that sanely eats input ) 1617408;1487901810;asciilifeform;there is (not yet released) 'p', mentioned in earlier thread today, which will eat from 1 or more FGs 1617409;1487901834;asciilifeform;there is also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762 1617410;1487901843;asciilifeform;which behaves sanely, eats from wherever you want 1617411;1487901879;asciilifeform;you can also feed, e.g., monte carlo algos, from it 1617412;1487901898;veen;my reasoning is that if the semantics of /dev/random is that, taken over infinity, it emits flat spectrum of octects, and lots of binaries in the wild have that assumption baked it, why not coax kernel into allowing FUCKGOATS to fulfill the contract of /dev/random directly? 1617413;1487901938;asciilifeform;veen: specificity-of-diddling. by using one centralized entropy pool that the os knows about, you make enemy's work slightly easier. 1617414;1487901957;asciilifeform;which is why /dev/random was a terrifyingly bad idea from day 1./ 1617415;1487902114;veen;well, a paternalistic idea if nothing else 1617416;1487902155;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617373 << the importance of this can't be understated. if f(x) = 4 it matters VERY little what 'rng" you feed f. 1617417;1487902155;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 01:40 veen: oh it runs output of /dev/random through it's own ('cs')prng? 1617418;1487902158;veen;not sure that recompiling gpg to read from /dev/fg really frustrates enemy all that much 1617419;1487902169;mircea_popescu;and gpg is not very far off this ; neither are ALL usg produced programs you are running. 1617420;1487902190;mircea_popescu;so, you may not ~care~ to compile them all ; but whether you are interested in war or not -- war is interested in you. 1617421;1487902191;veen;importance of what specifically? 1617422;1487902271;veen;seems gpg tried to sovereignty-wash a source of entropy and here it is bearing your criticism anyway 1617423;1487902280;veen;how is /dev/fg not centralized entropy pool? 1617424;1487902308;asciilifeform;veen: i, for instance, am sitting in front of a box with 11 hardware ttys 1617425;1487902314;mircea_popescu;review the thread re centralization recently. it's centralized at the sane place. 1617426;1487902315;asciilifeform;which ones are FGs 1617427;1487902324;asciilifeform;takes actual work to determine 1617428;1487902336;asciilifeform;and the work is 100% unique to the setup, which is not known in advance to anyone 1617429;1487902344;asciilifeform;as opposed to 'just break /dev/random' 1617430;1487902446;veen;so you've got /dev/fg0 thru /dev/fg9 1617431;1487902461;asciilifeform;nope 1617432;1487902468;asciilifeform;i've got /dev/tty..... 1617433;1487902502;asciilifeform;without seeing the rack, you don't know which ones -- if any -- are fg; and which one is my air conditioner; etc 1617434;1487902519;veen;security through obscurity eh? 1617435;1487902540;mircea_popescu;this concept gets abused a lot. 1617436;1487902555;asciilifeform;veen: security through not conveniently labeling 'here i keep the crown jewels' in advance. it multiplies. 1617437;1487902561;veen;aye 1617438;1487902565;mircea_popescu;would you propose the usg "invisible fighter" program is "security through obscurity" ? because... it is. 1617439;1487902593;asciilifeform;every bit in a private key is an 'obscurity' item. 1617440;1487902597;mircea_popescu;cryptographical security is one thing ; operations security is another. 1617441;1487902653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks like we have another '20 minute block' 1617442;1487902664;mircea_popescu;because cryptography deals with absrtacts only, the kerckhoffs standard makes sense. but whenever items with an associated mass are involved, things change. 1617443;1487902667;veen;to explain my reasoning by way of donning my engineering hat, i saw an existing contract of the form "noise comes out here" and a deficit default implementation, and proposed a better impl 1617444;1487902692;mircea_popescu;it's not clear how your proposal was an implementation, or better. delve please. 1617445;1487902716;veen;but it sounds like the sentitment here is using a well-known noise fountain is a vulnerable one 1617446;1487902727;veen;proposal != implementation, obviously 1617447;1487902774;mircea_popescu;actually, the sentiment here is that ~all usg code is just reused scraps of the same stale old crap. this sentiment is fed by you know, us having cut up the usg toys numerous times and having run into the same bits. 1617448;1487902775;veen;proposal is replace output of linux csprng-crazy that underlies /dev/random with the output of FUCKGOATS 1617449;1487902807;mircea_popescu;that sameness allows the enemy some levers it needn't have, first of all in its own safety's sake. 1617450;1487902836;mircea_popescu;veen ok. how is it better ? 1617451;1487902878;veen;surely we all agree that linux-csprng < FUCKGOATS 1617452;1487902901;mircea_popescu;yes. but if you then turn around and feed that into userland shitprng, you've not impoved anything. 1617453;1487902911;veen;what is at issue at this point is use of /dev/random at all, regardless of how it is implemented 1617454;1487902932;mircea_popescu;well the only argument pro i'm aware of is "it's there already" 1617455;1487902959;veen;and widely depended upon 1617456;1487902986;asciilifeform;iirc argument was ' i dun wanna recompile gpg ' 1617457;1487902988;mircea_popescu;so it may make sense as a convenience thing to symlink it to your fuckgoats tty. but don't expect you've now thereby fixed the system 1617458;1487902991;veen;userland shitprng is a wrinkle indeed, one i wasn't aware of until this thread 1617459;1487903034;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stronger argument than it seems. leaving aside the static issue, it's not even a given gpg compiles at all. 1617460;1487903047;veen;by that token s/\/dev\/random/\/dev\/fg/g again gpg src doesn't help us either 1617461;1487903064;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had half a dozen people here repeatedly build gpg-1.4.10 back in august, recall 1617462;1487903065;mircea_popescu;lol he escaped the slashes, isn't he adorable :D 1617463;1487903068;asciilifeform;during the great wild goose chase. 1617464;1487903073;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on his system ? 1617465;1487903078;asciilifeform;on various junk 1617466;1487903082;mircea_popescu;yes but. 1617467;1487903092;mircea_popescu;listen to the words of he who suffers this weekly with eulora. 1617468;1487903154;veen;sounds like solution for gpg is rip out `char shitprng();` implementation and replace it with one that calls a trusted noise source 1617469;1487903166;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1617470;1487903182;mircea_popescu;the only thing is that gpg is already obsoleted becauyse of its inane fingerprinting scheme 1617471;1487903188;mircea_popescu;so it's getting replaced altogether. 1617472;1487903205;veen;is this new as of the SHA1 nooze yesterday? 1617473;1487903217;mircea_popescu;yeah, see teh log. 1617474;1487903227;veen;oh i saw it 1617475;1487903237;mircea_popescu;a ok. that. 1617476;1487903297;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: holy fuck, 454403 14 minutes (and counting) on dulap; verified on zoolag in 15 seconds 1617477;1487903334;mircea_popescu;myeah 1617478;1487903360;veen;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611107 << beside, mircea_popescu said it first 1617479;1487903360;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 15:52 mircea_popescu: we should prolly publish a kernel patch 1617480;1487903404;asciilifeform;veen: it isn't that it is a catastrophically bad idea, compared to what is currently on your box -- rather, it is an example of something you do not want to cement in long-term use 1617481;1487903428;mircea_popescu;it's not a bad idea at all ; it's just not a (complete) solution. 1617482;1487903440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ONLY NOW verified 454403! 1617483;1487903455;asciilifeform;^brain-melting 1617484;1487903479;mircea_popescu;it's worth keeping a farm of vartious nodes just to watcdh them struggle with the chain. pretty interersting data. 1617485;1487903494;asciilifeform;i have this duo, scrolling on opposite lcds 1617486;1487903527;asciilifeform;(via http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617304 ) 1617487;1487903527;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 23:52 asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) A Recipe for the use of Wires via SSH Tunnels. 1617488;1487903537;veen;i suspect we'll never reconcile the "must build snow-flake" paranoia with drive to make architecture which can be reasoned about 1617489;1487903551;mircea_popescu;the what now ? 1617490;1487903556;asciilifeform;veen: snow flake ? 1617491;1487903619;veen;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617433 1617492;1487903619;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 02:15 asciilifeform: without seeing the rack, you don't know which ones -- if any -- are fg; and which one is my air conditioner; etc 1617493;1487903662;mircea_popescu;i confess i have nfi what you're talking about. 1617494;1487903723;veen;forget it, it's a low value point i've already attempted to make 1617495;1487903772;asciilifeform;veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.' 1617496;1487903847;mircea_popescu;what i'm more interested in is this apparent limit on "what can be thought about" based on some sort of i'm not even sure what. is it the case that i can't think about women now ? 1617497;1487903850;asciilifeform;the emperor is the earliest, known to me, inventor of 'specificity of diddling' lemma. see logs, very informative. 1617498;1487903884;*;asciilifeform bbl 1617499;1487903940;veen;bbl 1617500;1487905131;*;asciilifeform back... 1617501;1487905312;asciilifeform;also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000252.html has typo! and nobody noticed!!1 chown oughta be, of course, chmod. 1617502;1487905367;mircea_popescu;!negrate asciilifeform typos. 1617503;1487905402;asciilifeform;aha, i oughta not've used my anal handz!!1! 1617504;1487905414;asciilifeform;oughta use front hands. 1617505;1487905427;mircea_popescu;aha 1617506;1487905490;asciilifeform;phun phakt: the 'anti-selfconnect nonce' in bitcoin, never worked 1617507;1487905519;asciilifeform;my wired nodes still find each other via addr.dat and open ~second~, plaintext tcp pipe... 1617508;1487905541;asciilifeform;and happily chat on it, like cat talks to mirror 1617509;1487905576;asciilifeform;this is solvable via iptables, but uggly 1617510;1487905621;asciilifeform;probably we want a -dontuse=an.ip.goes.here flag. 1617511;1487905677;asciilifeform;(to clarify: nonce prevents ~only~ self-talking, but not external dupes) 1617512;1487905762;asciilifeform;also mircea_popescu the 'node as paid service' thing now can actually exist. 1617513;1487905767;asciilifeform;in principle. 1617514;1487905796;asciilifeform;turns out, i just built it. 1617515;1487905811;asciilifeform;(any takers..?) 1617516;1487905815;mircea_popescu;rent out ssh pipes ? 1617517;1487905823;asciilifeform;aha 1617518;1487905827;mircea_popescu;yeah not bad. 1617519;1487905925;asciilifeform;ultimately i'ma tear down the tunneltron and replace with 'g'. but same idea, topologically. 1617520;1487905950;asciilifeform;unbitflippable direct pipe to large trb node. 1617521;1487906093;asciilifeform;lulzily enough, back in.. 2013..? mircea_popescu described how Serious Folx, incl. miners, already do this. 1617522;1487906129;mircea_popescu;why's that lulzy 1617523;1487906146;asciilifeform;because only now exists in a public proggy. 1617524;1487906260;asciilifeform;can't help but wonder how much, or little, theirs resembles mine. just as brits wondered how much nazi 'freya' radar, resembled brit radar 1617525;1487906289;asciilifeform;(spoiler: was a mega-downer) 1617526;1487906351;asciilifeform;iirc mpb also had something equiv. to 'wire'. 1617527;1487906464;mircea_popescu;yes ; but doesn't use sshtunnel. more vpn-ish sort of architecture. 1617528;1487906489;asciilifeform;wire is agnostic of tunnelator. 1617529;1487906502;asciilifeform;it was made for 'g', the ssh thing is temporary. 1617530;1487906507;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1617531;1487906557;asciilifeform;the essential thing is nondisconnectable nodes. 1617532;1487906599;asciilifeform;(stock trb will happily drop ~anyone~ on the floor, for dozen different reasons, incl. 'we used him for too long') 1617533;1487906781;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/HBLyJ << vx, claimed. was my suspicion also. chick prolly fed , e.g., pralidoxime, ahead of doing the deed. 1617534;1487906834;asciilifeform;( or butyrylcholinesterase, or one of the other lulzies asciilifeform worked on when slaving for usg ) 1617535;1487906856;mircea_popescu;i dunno, nerve agents are usually irritant. 1617536;1487906866;asciilifeform;nope, not vx 1617537;1487906879;asciilifeform;it is a liquid, similar to motor oil, at room temp 1617538;1487906973;mod6; <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) A Recipe for the use of Wires via SSHITunnels. << cool! thanks alf. 1617539;1487906982;mircea_popescu;i suppose. 1617540;1487906989;asciilifeform;yw mod6 1617541;1487907374;asciilifeform;btw i find it strange that the local orc docs did not notice classical picture of organophosphate poison 1617542;1487907389;asciilifeform;(pupils the size of pinholes, etc) 1617543;1487907427;mircea_popescu;i dunno that guy who got splashed vx would go around complaining that hey, i got splashed ten minutes ago. 1617544;1487907428;asciilifeform;in asia it is common suicide method (not, granted, with vx! but with weaker commercial pesticides) 1617545;1487907457;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he would, if it were dilute / in dmso. 1617546;1487907478;mircea_popescu;also, the russians would have probably ventilated their guy into ~survival. 1617547;1487907524;asciilifeform;complicated. pediwikia lies, paralysis of breath is not the only problem. 1617548;1487907529;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the administration route is terrible, how the fuck do you dose the ingestion through splashing. 1617549;1487907530;asciilifeform;permanent cns rot. 1617550;1487907545;mircea_popescu;sure. 1617551;1487907592;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's as braindamaged as northkr's linux distro. but seems like worked! 1617552;1487907934;asciilifeform;i could even picture that the original plan included offering d00d antidote, if he comes along.. 1617553;1487909452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6F7716FB330D2289C4738E5469CA944BBE9C65BD00099E4F03A5EAB8049E80F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...7459 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.237.120.158 (ssh-rsa key from 87.237.120.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (nb2508.virtualhosts.netbuild.net. DE) 1617554;1487909452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6F7716FB330D2289C4738E5469CA944BBE9C65BD00099E4F03A5EAB8049E80F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1591...6403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.237.120.158 (ssh-rsa key from 87.237.120.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (nb2508.virtualhosts.netbuild.net. DE) 1617555;1487909452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C300E7F53E93306CE671E9C2BEE2440C21AE8142202BD8E090FFA40BFF361FDA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...0663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.16.76.136 (ssh-rsa key from 50.16.76.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ec2-50-16-76-136.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA) 1617556;1487909452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C300E7F53E93306CE671E9C2BEE2440C21AE8142202BD8E090FFA40BFF361FDA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1718...3643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.16.76.136 (ssh-rsa key from 50.16.76.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ec2-50-16-76-136.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA) 1617557;1487909722;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << btw, thank you for this, alf. I will be embarking on my own gentoo quest soon to finally stand up a trb node 1617558;1487909722;a111;Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet 1617559;1487911545;asciilifeform;neato, lobbes ! 1617560;1487911654;asciilifeform;^ only 4 aws keyz popped previously ! 1617561;1487911685;asciilifeform;the classical diddled debian, afaik, never coexisted with aws. 1617562;1487911690;asciilifeform;so potentially interesting wtf. 1617563;1487911823;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 50.16.76.136 1617564;1487911823;scriba;ssh banner of 50.16.76.136 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1617565;1487911827;asciilifeform;hm! 1617566;1487911839;asciilifeform;go figure. 1617567;1487911859;mircea_popescu;will install wahtever 1617568;1487911877;asciilifeform;http://87.237.120.158 shows a peculiar cartoon. 1617569;1487911884;asciilifeform;(graphical wwwtron needed, noshit) 1617570;1487911915;asciilifeform;'Voigt & Schweitzer wünscht Frohe Weihnachten!' 1617571;1487911963;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 87.237.120.158 1617572;1487911963;scriba;ssh banner of 87.237.120.158 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1617573;1487911966;asciilifeform;lel 1617574;1487915914;phf;asciilifeform: that's some neat hackery 1617575;1487916513;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed and http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1 1617576;1487916555;phf;(also previous versions are available in deprecated: http://btcbase.org/patches/goodbye_pingers and http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires) 1617577;1487916573;shinohai;https://github.com/pirate/sites-using-cloudflare 1617578;1487916914;asciilifeform;shinohai: coinbase , bitpay << lel 1617579;1487916921;asciilifeform;phf: neato! 1617580;1487917131;shinohai;Baloney exchange is on there too .... but majority of exchanges use crapflare so likely affected. 1617581;1487917157;phf;i kind of want a way to link useful assets to a patch on btcbase. right now if you have a readme.txt inside a patches folder you get that included as a prelude for a patchset (http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg). i think it would be handy to include wires over ssh link somewhere on the wires patch page.. 1617582;1487917396;asciilifeform;phf: wires_rev1 shows no sigs..? 1617583;1487917421;asciilifeform;(the rest, same..) 1617584;1487917439;phf;ah, i haven't updated your expired key 1617585;1487917561;asciilifeform;there's now 1 key for asciilifeform , from nao until gpg shitburial day ( same modulus as always ) 1617586;1487917635;asciilifeform;!!key asciilifeform 1617587;1487917636;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc 1617588;1487917640;asciilifeform;^ 1617589;1487917650;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1617590;1487917656;phf;ty 1617591;1487917694;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617558 << this was a huge boon to me at one point as well 1617592;1487917694;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 04:15 a111: Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet 1617593;1487917708;phf;dat wot.deedbot link comes back blank for me 1617594;1487917738;ben_vulpes;prolly cloudflare 1617595;1487917748;phf;it's always cloudflare 1617596;1487917766;ben_vulpes;content length here as well 1617597;1487917771;ben_vulpes;trinque: ^^ 1617598;1487917779;mircea_popescu;which burial should hopefully occur this year, it's getting ridiculous already. 1617599;1487917781;ben_vulpes;content length 0* 1617600;1487917789;*;ben_vulpes is still mortified 1617601;1487917808;phf;ben_vulpes: can you vulpespost ascii's key please? 1617602;1487917818;ben_vulpes;lesse here 1617603;1487917823;ben_vulpes;lessee* 1617604;1487917883;ben_vulpes;phf: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5PqCi/?raw=true 1617605;1487917905;ben_vulpes;vulpes post is delivered by vulture 1617606;1487917980;phf;vulpes post always delivers 1617607;1487918017;*;ben_vulpes cavorts offstage 1617608;1487926551;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617305 damn, mailman default setting 1617609;1487926551;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 23:53 asciilifeform: and holy mother of fuck, jurov , why does your thing mangle '@' into 'at' 1617610;1487933664;trinque;the fuck are you people talking about, blank 1617611;1487939439;mircea_popescu;trinque hm ? 1617612;1487940712;thestringpuller;http://archive.is/vufVy << affected cloudflare sites. list is long. 1617613;1487942456;mircea_popescu;!!up aseriousgogetta 1617614;1487942457;deedbot;aseriousgogetta voiced for 30 minutes. 1617615;1487942504;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97C29455A45F36568DD279D71FAFBE63624E7C2630F5B764C56D8418E0EDCACB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1404...8569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.234.125.52 (ssh-rsa key from 211.234.125.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown KR) 1617616;1487942504;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97C29455A45F36568DD279D71FAFBE63624E7C2630F5B764C56D8418E0EDCACB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1387...5559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.234.125.52 (ssh-rsa key from 211.234.125.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown KR) 1617617;1487943326;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/992134A45E95AE9AED64792AE64FE334354617FE33B4DE355FBDE4E3D82798BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1575...1223 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.32.1 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.32.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US CA) 1617618;1487943326;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/992134A45E95AE9AED64792AE64FE334354617FE33B4DE355FBDE4E3D82798BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1562...6647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.32.1 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.32.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US CA) 1617619;1487944243;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-storied-cupcake-and-other-stories/ << Trilema - The Storied Cupcake and other stories 1617620;1487944940;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9C85EE445DE30C249CE8906B1057CCB96E70F87A30A186840F15DF0D4BDA9E82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1797...6963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.65.217.101 (ssh-rsa key from 188.65.217.101 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (hd.a4n.be. BE) 1617621;1487944940;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9C85EE445DE30C249CE8906B1057CCB96E70F87A30A186840F15DF0D4BDA9E82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1750...1377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.65.217.101 (ssh-rsa key from 188.65.217.101 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (hd.a4n.be. BE) 1617622;1487947224;asciilifeform;in other updates, 0 blackholing since wiring zoolag to dulap. thus far. 1617623;1487947707;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 188.65.217.101 38.96.32.1 211.234.125.52 1617624;1487947707;scriba;ssh banner of 188.65.217.101 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1617625;1487947708;scriba;ssh banner of 38.96.32.1 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1617626;1487947710;scriba;ssh banner of 211.234.125.52 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1617627;1487947751;mircea_popescu;heh 1617628;1487947772;mircea_popescu;i am starting to not9ic9e a pa9tter9n he9re. 1617629;1487947792;mircea_popescu;maybe we should start spelling the dork's name K9ch, because it's not 0, it's 9. 1617630;1487947927;shinohai;109.194.108.169 <<< ports 22, 137,445, 5900, 8081 all open. Why not just open 'em all? 1617631;1487948044;mircea_popescu;well it's a server no ? 1617632;1487949338;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-jellybean-docket/ << Trilema - The jellybean docket 1617633;1487950529;asciilifeform;shinohai: what means 'open all of' ? gotta have something listening to see 'open' port 1617634;1487950774;asciilifeform;in other finds, there are today perhaps two dozen bitcoin nodes with serious 'uptime'. 1617635;1487950816;asciilifeform;in yet-other lulz: 1617636;1487950817;asciilifeform;ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : transaction with out-of-bounds SigOpCount 1617637;1487950823;asciilifeform;^ used to be ~unknown 1617638;1487950828;asciilifeform;now -- pestilential. 1617639;1487950859;asciilifeform;somebody's pissing crafted garbage into mempool, and buncha idiots happily relay it... 1617640;1487952985;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the monkey cage, https://archive.is/l8ZYG >> a clitlerist: 'oh noez, best prepare to suppress the rebellion that will come when we depose mr.t' 1617641;1487954740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, shinohai , et al : anyone ever notice these : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DfsKP/?raw=true << on a node nowhere near OOM condition, multiple GB free 1617642;1487954767;asciilifeform;keeping in mind also that std::bad_alloc can result from heap corruption, not only from failed allocation ! 1617643;1487955182;asciilifeform;in other lulz, there is a large population of nodes reporting 'version message: version 60000, blocks=350000' for all eternity (typically they auto-disconnect when discovering trb ver.) . anyone know who they belong to, and wtf ? 1617644;1487955773;asciilifeform;118979 (yes) connection attempts of this nonsense in 84GB (yes) of dulap log. 1617645;1487955870;asciilifeform;of these, 117106 report ver. 60000 ; but 1873 reported 70002 . 1617646;1487955961;asciilifeform;would seem that these are a type of pseudonode / misc. attacker, that comes in two varieties, one aimed at recent prb (majority), the other -- more trb / old-prb - flavoured. 1617647;1487955977;asciilifeform;minority, rather. 1617648;1487957456;mircea_popescu;can't say as i ahd. 1617649;1487957550;mircea_popescu;and re "isaac simpson", whoever the fuck she is, who gives a shit ? seriously now ? 1617650;1487957569;asciilifeform;nfi, some foot soldier. 1617651;1487957574;mircea_popescu;every useless breeder cow has this predictable fantasy of wedding party, wedding gown, etcetera. what of it. 1617652;1487957644;mircea_popescu;what fucking "rational" and what fucking "basis". trump impeachment = open hunting season for "our democracy" "civilised" cucks. the http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ will roll right over. 1617653;1487957739;mircea_popescu;it'd matter a lot more if "isaac simpson" could either hold a rifle or man a post. or for that matter make a serving of french fries without taking half an hour. but as it is... 1617654;1487957804;mircea_popescu;"The leaders of the Trump movement (the real leaders) are so disconnected from the media that most of us read every day, and from the information provided by the government, that they might as well be living in one of Jones’ alternate dimensions. To them, it’s 100% fiction, just shadows flickering on the wall of Plato’s cave. And, like the liberated cave dwellers, they’ve seen the outside, and they’ll never believe 1617655;1487957804;mircea_popescu;the shadows again, no matter how factual they may be. The well is polluted to its core. Who to blame for this is at this point irrelevant (though in my last piece I argued the MSM should largely blame itself) because the distrust is so deep that it’s never coming back." << i lulzed. 1617656;1487957875;mircea_popescu;This week’s Rasmussen Poll, for example, found that 45% of voting Americans believe America is on the “right track.” This is down two points from the record high, which was recorded two weeks ago, and is higher than any week during the Obama presidency 1617657;1487957887;mircea_popescu;that's one paragraph down, and supposedly SOMEONE ELSE is "ignoring reality" 1617658;1487957917;mircea_popescu;oh let me guess, medium. 1617659;1487957923;mircea_popescu;bwahahah. 1617660;1487957937;mircea_popescu;choice butt-tears alfie. choice butt tears. 1617661;1487957962;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1617662;1487957967;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : 1617663;1487957967;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000253.html 1617664;1487957974;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Block Timer. 1617665;1487958053;shinohai;ty asciilifeform .... and also have not noticed any `EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc ` errors in mah logs 1617666;1487958249;asciilifeform;and here we go, on dulap : ... SetBestChain: new best=000000000000000000d5 height=454507 work=79028340706396234909993360 ; AcceptBlock() success : 401334ms ; Tested candidate block in 401349ms 1617667;1487958294;asciilifeform;AcceptBlock ( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1370 ) is the bottleneck 1617668;1487958503;mircea_popescu;shinohai might happen on long running box even if not at oom spot because memory fragmentation. 1617669;1487958522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was on zoolag after <24 hrs. 1617670;1487958525;mircea_popescu;but it's pretty rare. 1617671;1487958529;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, i dunno. 1617672;1487958535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on dulap, zero instances in 84GB of log. 1617673;1487958725;mircea_popescu;ahaha oh this is delishious. "My work has appeared in LA Weekly, Vice, Curbed, Complex, ANIMALS, The Daily Dot, and LosAngeles.com" << dork quit law school because tucker max said to and is now a relationships advicerist. 1617674;1487958756;mircea_popescu;my work has appeared on your mother, bitch. what, you're gonna compete ? with what, "curbed" ? 1617675;1487958757;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1617676;1487958984;mircea_popescu;"Like most of my law school classmates, I was a hyper-ambitious narcissist with no concrete plans for achieving the greatness to which I was entitled." 1617677;1487959000;mircea_popescu;and not actually intelligent enough to figure out being a great man's urinal is, in context, an ur-achievement. 1617678;1487959580;shinohai;https://twitter.com/hanno/status/835167407710810115 <<< hanno saves the day 1617679;1487961136;ben_vulpes;dang, asciilifeform my queue can't take much more of this 1617680;1487961188;mircea_popescu;lel 1617681;1487961197;mircea_popescu;how's the eulora gfx work coming :D 1617682;1487961256;ben_vulpes;my stack overfloweth 1617683;1487961272;mircea_popescu;i think we're all agreed that the problem with this here republic is nothing ever happens. 1617684;1487961486;ben_vulpes;stack, for the curious: moar tests for v.pl (i'm writing them because my personal heap is too fragmented to make me a useful manual tester), read and compile a large and a small patch from asciilifeform, ops tasks in support of WIRES, gaze into the writhing horror diana_coman needs a lasso around, and somewhere find an hour to finish up the import of phf's logs back to early 2016 1617685;1487961562;ben_vulpes;AND THAT' 1617686;1487961568;ben_vulpes;'S JUST REPUBLICAN SHIT 1617687;1487961659;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616287 << subj. of autocad, i finally stood a cadcam workstation up in support of project carport and shit damn inventor is a well-designed piece of software. 1617688;1487961659;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 20:30 asciilifeform: in other noose, as discussed earlier ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577994 ) >> https://archive.is/AVO23 << autodesk bought and destroyed 'eagle', the only fully functioning pcb cad for linux. 1617689;1487961678;mircea_popescu;hey, i wrote & published two articles today, did a major game design update, planning for infrastructure refurbishment, started a whole new network of agents AND read some inane shit some dickless failawyer published on medium. 1617690;1487961694;mircea_popescu;and that's just the not-that-secret-stuff, selections ~. 1617691;1487961736;ben_vulpes;don't forget swingin' dick in #trilema 1617692;1487961749;ben_vulpes;daily task for everyone 1617693;1487961752;*;trinque falls out of chair 1617694;1487961754;mircea_popescu;if you must, i doggyfucked so animalicly a poor damsel yesterday my cock's all broken. 1617695;1487961770;trinque;that's the best kind of cock broken 1617696;1487961794;ben_vulpes;i have discovered the worst kind of cock broken 1617697;1487961798;ben_vulpes;well, "worst" 1617698;1487961801;mircea_popescu;apparently if you hammer enough head can flare enough to tear the fucking foreskin. if it sounds painful it's because it is. 1617699;1487961835;trinque;eh some faggot already tore that off when I got here 1617700;1487961846;trinque;ben_vulpes: ever heard a "pop" when it gets bent? 1617701;1487961849;trinque;that is true pain 1617702;1487961857;mircea_popescu;o that;s horrible. 1617703;1487961879;ben_vulpes;an otherwise gentle and lovely morning with coffee and breakfast in bed, followed by 20+ pounds of micro human determinedly sitting in my lap demanding a book be read him 1617704;1487961881;mircea_popescu;but no, nothing structural. 1617705;1487961883;BingoBoingo;!s Xanthyos 1617706;1487961898;ben_vulpes;i was worried about structural damage for a moment 1617707;1487961906;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ahahaha yeah, fatherhood problems. 1617708;1487961935;mircea_popescu;"my son broke my penis. he's three years old." "well... how good of a penis could you say it was to begin with, then ?" 1617709;1487961942;ben_vulpes;worse than being stomped on, dick at least has somewhere to go relative to tiny feet. NO ESCAPE FROM THE DIAPER 1617710;1487961959;ben_vulpes;hey man i've never tested the buckling load of my own cock 1617711;1487961967;mircea_popescu;they make solid madonna's-bra vinyl diapers now ? like a helment ? 1617712;1487961977;ben_vulpes;but it's a pin joint at the base and that's pretty weak from a structural perspective 1617713;1487961984;ben_vulpes;actually 1617714;1487961986;ben_vulpes;ball joint 1617715;1487961988;ben_vulpes;:D 1617716;1487961993;mircea_popescu;i was waiting for that :D 1617717;1487961998;trinque;wew 1617718;1487962011;mircea_popescu;but no. the penis is not joint. it's a single item, goes about a foot inside of oyu. 1617719;1487962018;mircea_popescu;or however long, ~same as visible length. 1617720;1487962031;ben_vulpes;mhm 1617721;1487962039;ben_vulpes;just makin bad ME jokes over here 1617722;1487962107;mircea_popescu;the computation of just how bad "science" awareness among the "our democracy" crowds must be that no "ripped penis right out of socket" jokes emanated in twenty years of cancerous male-hating "comedy" is left for the reader. 1617723;1487962200;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But if they don't pull it all of the way out, then they just tore the suspending ligament and made it look bigger! 1617724;1487962294;mircea_popescu;and purpler 1617725;1487962330;ben_vulpes;http://news.wisc.edu/from-rocks-in-colorado-evidence-of-a-chaotic-solar-system/ 1617726;1487962348;ben_vulpes;^^ going to have to reread in depth, but interesting agw not-a-ganda 1617727;1487962350;*;ben_vulpes bbl 1617728;1487962354;mircea_popescu;is this fake science ? i would like to know before i click if some dork in "our democracy" approved these findings. 1617729;1487962380;mircea_popescu;such gingerly concerns direct the whole of my entire lyf. 1617730;1487962506;mircea_popescu;i like how they manage to package tidal locking and orbital harmonics into "a little known theory from 1989". by the same measure fucking is a little known activity from the 70s. if you're at camp with janine garofalo i guess this isn't even so far fetched a description. 1617731;1487963023;mircea_popescu;in other intrigues, http://infoforcefeed.shithouse.tv/intrigue/ben_vulpes 1617732;1487963153;BingoBoingo;lol @ GNULAG 1617733;1487963374;mod6;asciilifeform: ya, I've seen the 'std::bad_alloc' from ProcessMessage before -- it doesn't happen to me often, and it doesn't seem to be at the point of OOM exactly. i have noticed that it seems to happen after my node has been up for an extended period of time. say >1week. 1617734;1487963402;mod6;lately, i've been getting bh'd so much, i've been recycling my node nearly daily. 1617735;1487963439;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/fire-in-the-security-theater-cloudflare-leaks-as-sha1-broken/ << Qntra - Fire In The Security Theater: Cloudflare Leaks As SHA1 Broken 1617736;1487963734;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you track iff now? 1617737;1487964229;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1617738;1487964300;mircea_popescu;ahaha nice lede BingoBoingo 1617739;1487964311;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu 1617740;1487964317;mircea_popescu;might be your best yet. 1617741;1487964412;BingoBoingo;It's been a tough fight, largely against myself, but hopefully I can keep the venom cutting instead of resorting to taking words on top of words 1617742;1487964471;mircea_popescu;like all real fights huh. 1617743;1487964505;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1617744;1487965470;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the cubifarms, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4a2822eee5e93accda3b4983dd086a89/tumblr_noovhod4LS1uvbtcpo1_400.gif 1617745;1487967061;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, trump finances seem to settle towards a) much larger deficit ; to be employed towards b) "rebuilding america" in the sense of... a much larger military. 1617746;1487967069;mircea_popescu;this is optimal lulz wtf. 1617747;1487967156;mircea_popescu;but if the "impeachment" fizzles like the rest of the libertards' hopes, dreams and aspirations, its rather http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-15#1614023 1617748;1487967156;a111;Logged on 2017-02-15 16:08 mircea_popescu: myeah. things are pretty simple : either peace with russia and therefore war with china ; or else bickering with russia while china continues to fatten unmolested. 1617749;1487967191;mircea_popescu;of course, if it succeeds i might very well discover in myself an inclination to move over there, spend the next decade going on safari among the "urban elite" for fresh daughters to feed the slave markets. 1617750;1487969856;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why wait 1617751;1487969885;mircea_popescu;because lazy. why does one ever wait ? 1617752;1487969897;asciilifeform;point 1617753;1487969942;asciilifeform;in other noose, discovered that the actual contents of a block are 'red herring' re verification, and we're actually looking at idiot lock deadlock 1617754;1487969955;mircea_popescu;moreover, i'm the one guy time flows favourably for. why wait in 2012 ? because lo, dollar from 50 bitcents to a tenth of a dime in five years. 1617755;1487969976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's also a large part of it. there's a bunch of large parts like that. 1617756;1487970332;asciilifeform;i got the thing profiling as we speak. 1617757;1487970340;mircea_popescu;good. 1617758;1487970572;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, british national and ex-guantanamo detainee abu zakariya al britani blew up a car in mosul. which you know, "is being progress made upon", still, six months later. except for the part where isis killed kadim al saeedi, ie one of the few actually competent sand monkeys on the imperial side. 1617759;1487970598;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1310 << ~95% of ProcessBlock() time spent here in all cases 1617760;1487970678;mircea_popescu;can you see where inside addtoblockindex ? 1617761;1487970696;asciilifeform;shortly. 1617762;1487970850;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/jaM2c in other things that just happen and aren't anybody's fault, also known as "inept our democracy diplomacy" 1617763;1487971655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here's typical example: block 454521 on dulap : AddToBlockIndex: ~90 sec: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1212 << 99.98% of this interval 1617764;1487971712;asciilifeform;454520 has a reorg, and spent 219 seconds, also ~entirely in same spot 1617765;1487971732;mircea_popescu;and which part of http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#0118 ? 1617766;1487971738;asciilifeform;454520: ~98 seconds; ditto 1617767;1487971766;asciilifeform;454523: 78 sec. (same) 1617768;1487971768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: shortly... 1617769;1487971772;mircea_popescu;;) 1617770;1487971873;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you're in wrong function 1617771;1487971894;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1121 << this is the one 1617772;1487971897;mircea_popescu;1212 is call setbestchain return if false 1617773;1487971907;mircea_popescu;you said 1212 above 1617774;1487971909;asciilifeform;match the args. 1617775;1487971936;mircea_popescu;this makes a lot more sense. 1617776;1487972107;mircea_popescu;is it constant calls to Reorganize ? 1617777;1487972114;asciilifeform;nope 1617778;1487972144;mircea_popescu;is it the boosted foreach "removefrommemorypool()" ? 1617779;1487972153;asciilifeform;quite likely. 1sec 1617780;1487972180;mircea_popescu;(ftr, these in order are the two major soaks i am aware of ; whether they manifest for you right here or not) 1617781;1487972502;asciilifeform;reorg takes motherfucking forever 1617782;1487972515;asciilifeform;but interestingly 0 reorgs on zoolag in past couplea months 1617783;1487972523;asciilifeform;but reorg on dulap on ~every restart. 1617784;1487972588;mircea_popescu;aha. 1617785;1487972607;mircea_popescu;it's actually a ddos avenue in its own right. 1617786;1487972627;mircea_popescu;there's three different ways a node can end up in reorg crisscross, and it doesn't even take owning all its connections. 1617787;1487972656;mircea_popescu;moreover with a little care you can actually fingerprint for things such as "does this node have a tunnel to another one" in this manner. 1617788;1487972707;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1166 << 200 sec !!! 1617789;1487972739;mircea_popescu;lel. wallets ftw. 1617790;1487972754;mircea_popescu;anyway, that'd be the disk sensitivity, or most of it anyway. 1617791;1487972768;mircea_popescu;also a main reason why the discussed wallet separation. 1617792;1487972846;mircea_popescu;anyway, asciilifeform, you should prolly publish a codebase adnotated with time profiles. trb-454523 ; trb-454520 etc. 1617793;1487972878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at some point, when i find out how to get gprof to run with musltronic/static binary 1617794;1487972881;mircea_popescu;in between the line and the line number 1617795;1487972883;asciilifeform;this run is 100% by hand 1617796;1487972887;asciilifeform;and times pried out of log, also by hand. 1617797;1487972889;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1617798;1487972900;mircea_popescu;needs some scriptage. may i suggest perl ? 1617799;1487972931;asciilifeform;eventually 1617800;1487972939;asciilifeform;was aiming to find 'obvious culprits' 1617801;1487972940;mircea_popescu;it ~is~ what it is ~for~, after all. 1617802;1487973010;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1136 << the more typical delay spot; e.g., 109 sec. on block 454532. 1617803;1487973215;jurov;https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=Slovakia i finally put up permanent trb node (it's the syncing one), but have nfi about the other two 1617804;1487973266;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~80-90% of time spent in ConnectBlock 1617805;1487973268;asciilifeform;in all cases. 1617806;1487973273;mircea_popescu;aha 1617807;1487973600;asciilifeform;3, 2, 1... 1617808;1487973748;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1002 1617809;1487973770;asciilifeform;^ ~85% of time 1617810;1487973892;asciilifeform;i.e. http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.h?v=makefiles#0085 << . 1617811;1487973897;asciilifeform;the db writes. 1617812;1487973950;asciilifeform;apparently this is what ~all 'blackhole' consists of. 1617813;1487974124;asciilifeform;waiting for bdb to do it's thing. 1617814;1487974130;asciilifeform;*its thing 1617815;1487974144;asciilifeform;barfalicious. 1617816;1487974760;mircea_popescu;heh 1617817;1487974875;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1617818;1487974880;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al: 1617819;1487974881;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000254.html 1617820;1487974886;asciilifeform;(EXPERIMENTAL) Blackhole Revealer. 1617821;1487975053;asciilifeform;looks like my original hypothesis (disk thrash) is supported. 1617822;1487975077;mircea_popescu;certainly a large part of it. 1617823;1487975084;asciilifeform;there are no substantial 'other large parts', detectably 1617824;1487975085;asciilifeform;this is it. 1617825;1487975106;mircea_popescu;it depends on teh blocks to some degree. 1617826;1487975107;asciilifeform;this is where ~100% of block-eating time is actually spent. 1617827;1487975169;asciilifeform;it also explains why the ssd box beats the living shit out of the mechanical one. 1617828;1487975176;mircea_popescu;that yes. 1617829;1487975188;asciilifeform;(~100-fold difference, on avg.) 1617830;1487975262;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1617831;1487979259;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Zr1V2/?raw=true 1617832;1487979611;pete_dushenski;shinohai: i notice that same 'st9bad_alloc' error on vps node with some frequency as well but never on dedibox. not sure if it's a clock / timing issue but that's my best guess. 1617833;1487979688;pete_dushenski;looks like alf's been busy! wd mate. 1617834;1487979727;pete_dushenski;in other logical conclusion news http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/laid-off-swedish-workers-could-be-given-paid-sex-breaks-improve-well-being-1607836 1617835;1487979752;*;BingoBoingo experienced frequent st9bad_alloc before implementing malleus 1617836;1487979775;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/hussein-bahamas-to-vacation-closer-to-kenya/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas To Vacation Closer To Kenya? 1617837;1487979867;pete_dushenski;heh gj on title tweak BingoBoingo 1617838;1487979880;BingoBoingo;No problem, ty pete_dushenski 1617839;1487979888;pete_dushenski;mah pleasure 1617840;1487979951;BingoBoingo;Just note for the future that "Bahamas" on its own could be confused for Islands. To reference the dark one, harbringer of suffering one must use "Hussein Bahamas" 1617841;1487979966;pete_dushenski;in other cuts, the latest taleb "surgeons should not look like surgeons" http://archive.is/qqywK 1617842;1487980276;BingoBoingo;STFU, knowing a little bit about green lumber is a pre-requisite to manhood 1617843;1487984823;mircea_popescu;http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/5/3/3/599533_v2.jpg <<< fattie spends her life trying to avoid being called fatty ; eventually has an epiphany. 1617844;1487984828;mircea_popescu;TRUMP SAVES FATTIES. 1617845;1487985380;shinohai;If you see a fatty, say fatty? 1617846;1487985785;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/609AF429A536FCA467F01F21DA23DA79C5663B50FCF17243C6AF812E8D86E222 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1107...8499 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.69.24 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.69.24 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1617847;1487985785;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/92EF45902AD5DDD496F233A413911C8A77BF9FAB0F6605ACC1B305A87C863708 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1107...8499 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.4.21 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.4.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1617848;1487985785;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EDB3921F7A5E96CB2B7DA29D153708C9CF67B83485A62A3DCC72EAC8E34F59C0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1107...8499 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.73.7 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.73.7 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1617849;1487985785;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EDB3921F7A5E96CB2B7DA29D153708C9CF67B83485A62A3DCC72EAC8E34F59C0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1098...5553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.73.7 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.73.7 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1617850;1487985884;mircea_popescu;shinohai it's what she's sayin' innit ? 1617851;1487985888;mircea_popescu;!!up gk_-1wm_- 1617852;1487985888;deedbot;gk_-1wm_- voiced for 30 minutes. 1617853;1487985999;shinohai;It's terrible not being able to tell fat girls they are fat on twitter. Because if you do, then the hot camgirls hate you too. 1617854;1487986173;mircea_popescu;eh, they'll pretend to at least. 1617855;1487986215;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/e2email-org/e2email 1617856;1487986220;mircea_popescu;girls engage in this sort of fatty grooming as a shit test. if you agree with her that her fat friend also deserves "a life" aka someone to pay for her children, perhaps you should. 1617857;1487986243;mircea_popescu;pretty sound logic. 1617858;1487986276;ben_vulpes;also "trump administration bars news organizations from press briefing, replaces them with fake news organizations" 1617859;1487986293;mircea_popescu;according to the fake news organisations lel.\ 1617860;1487986322;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, the southern poverty law center (mildly famous lefty oppression tools from the 60s) lists "kek" as a dangerous nazy paraphenalia. 1617861;1487986352;mircea_popescu;dudes are so out of their league it's been past funny and back to funny again too many times to count. 1617862;1487988435;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617687 << carport ? 1617863;1487988435;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 18:40 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616287 << subj. of autocad, i finally stood a cadcam workstation up in support of project carport and shit damn inventor is a well-designed piece of software. 1617864;1487988620;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/be73x/?raw=true 1617865;1487988620;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1617866;1487988676;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OiRWC/?raw=true 1617867;1487988678;asciilifeform;^ to date 1617868;1487988821;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617855 >> 'In this initial version, E2EMail hosts its own keyserver. During app installation, it automatically generates an OpenPGP ECC key and uploads the public half to the keyserver. The keyserver accepts it if the user-id in the key matches an OAuth mediated check against the user's email address. The private half is stored locally, but can be regenerated via a secret "recovery code" provided to 1617869;1487988821;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 01:30 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/e2email-org/e2email 1617870;1487988822;asciilifeform; the user during installation. This code is a 128-bit value that can recreate the key material, and can also be used to regenerate the private key on a different device.' << eww 1617871;1487988822;asciilifeform;why didja link to this, ben_vulpes ? looks like another 'keybase' 1617872;1487988865;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617860 << after n years i still am in the dark, re what exactly is a kek, and where to get one 1617873;1487988865;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 01:32 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the southern poverty law center (mildly famous lefty oppression tools from the 60s) lists "kek" as a dangerous nazy paraphenalia. 1617874;1487988974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly right. 1617875;1487989008;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kek is a misspelled lol. 1617876;1487989013;asciilifeform;aaah 1617877;1487989017;mircea_popescu;because asians are deformed and laugh wrongly. 1617878;1487989027;asciilifeform;oughta be 'rer', neh 1617879;1487989113;mircea_popescu;i am not an azenexpert 1617880;1487989161;*;asciilifeform consistently measuring ~90+% spent on txindex db write. 1617881;1487989184;asciilifeform;bdb Must Die. 1617882;1487989200;mircea_popescu;congrats, we've rediscovered 2015 o.o 1617883;1487989216;asciilifeform;2014 neh 1617884;1487989447;mircea_popescu;somesuch 1617885;1487989522;asciilifeform;in other lelzies, https://archive.is/pwN40 1617886;1487990044;asciilifeform;!$ ssh 183.246.69.24 112.16.4.21 183.246.73.7 183.246.73.7 1617887;1487990044;scriba;ssh banner of 183.246.69.24 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20 1617888;1487990045;scriba;ssh banner of 112.16.4.21 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20 1617889;1487990046;scriba;ssh banner of 183.246.73.7 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20 1617890;1487990047;scriba;ssh banner of 183.246.73.7 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20 1617891;1487990058;asciilifeform;lel, old classix! not debian!!11 1617892;1487990084;asciilifeform;(oops, dupe) 1617893;1487990128;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617860 << i once met a chick who stated that a major life goal of hers was to be Officially Denounced by splc. 1617894;1487990128;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 01:32 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the southern poverty law center (mildly famous lefty oppression tools from the 60s) lists "kek" as a dangerous nazy paraphenalia. 1617895;1487990247;mircea_popescu;did she achieve ? 1617896;1487990265;asciilifeform;nfi; but i have idea how to find out !! 1617897;1487990275;asciilifeform;!~google communismkills 1617898;1487990276;jhvh1;asciilifeform: communismkills - Tumblr: ; Communism Kills | Facebook: ; Ashley Rae Goldenberg - en-Rightpedia: 1617899;1487990283;asciilifeform;^dingdingding^ 1617900;1487990382;asciilifeform;lol, membersonly nao 1617901;1487990417;asciilifeform;iirc was hounded by clitlerists for years 1617902;1487990435;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/http://communismkills.tumblr.com << for the curious. 1617903;1487990558;asciilifeform;Slow Write: : 44619ms << lel 1617904;1487990579;asciilifeform;Slow Write: : 65218ms << yougettheidea. 1617905;1487990801;asciilifeform;http://en.rightpedia.info/w/Ashley_Rae_Goldenberg << first-class lultron, almost certainly written, imho, by subj 1617906;1487991270;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why for the mocking 1617907;1487991280;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aite 1617908;1487991286;ben_vulpes;also it is useful to shiv the things in public 1617909;1487991299;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: also i recommend against any further sweat put into ping-ban patch, it is ~worthless 1617910;1487991309;asciilifeform;oughta lighten ben_vulpes's list! 1617911;1487991336;ben_vulpes;well but then what i am i to complain about 1617912;1487991350;asciilifeform;try the bdb thing. 1617913;1487991360;asciilifeform;should be good for five solid litres of bile. 1617914;1487991366;ben_vulpes;bwaha mk 1617915;1487991409;asciilifeform;for bonus pointz, make it tally the cumulative time spent in writes 1617916;1487991415;mircea_popescu;heh 1617917;1487991422;asciilifeform;(rather than the example i gave today, with merely dumping writes over 1s) 1617918;1487991436;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617862 << poor man's garage 1617919;1487991436;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 02:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617687 << carport ? 1617920;1487991475;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i met a hungarian crackpot d00d who makes, with own hands, and sells, those. 1617921;1487991482;asciilifeform;fold-out welded tricky thing. 1617922;1487991492;asciilifeform;(he owns a couple hundred rare autos) 1617923;1487991512;ben_vulpes;i have an uncovered driveway alongside my house, could make it covered 1617924;1487991523;asciilifeform;it's more than asciilifeform has!11 1617925;1487991531;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i know where the heated car storage in town is 1617926;1487991545;asciilifeform;( i park on city street. yes, with the bulldozers. ) 1617927;1487991558;ben_vulpes;but i would like to for example work on the thing at night, with lights, while dry 1617928;1487991573;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: suburbia is a plague born of the curse of oil 1617929;1487991613;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i realized recently that i could finally put car into one of those burlap sacks, that folx in '90s su had cars in 1617930;1487991630;asciilifeform;it'll be glorious: 0 birdshit 1617931;1487991660;ben_vulpes;car covers cost ~40 dollars 1617932;1487991671;asciilifeform;seems likely that someone will pinch it tho. 1617933;1487991673;ben_vulpes;maybe a minute to get on and off once practiced 1617934;1487991678;ben_vulpes;srsly? 1617935;1487991696;ben_vulpes;i locked mine to the car for a year or so, then stopped 1617936;1487991702;asciilifeform;aha. small, portable, useful object, left in public place -- gone in 10 min. 1617937;1487991727;ben_vulpes;now i need to replace it, but from dust accumulation from shithead pressed shitboard 'house' fabricator who infested the lot next door lo this past year 1617938;1487991731;ben_vulpes;not theft 1617939;1487991751;ben_vulpes;the depths of your suburban hell never cease to amaze, asciilifeform 1617940;1487991825;asciilifeform;dunno, i saw a bicyclist not long ago, and thought of ben_vulpes's urban hell. 1617941;1487991840;ben_vulpes;nono, i live in the burbs now! 1617942;1487991865;ben_vulpes;fenced yard, short walk to island beach, the works! 1617943;1487991888;asciilifeform;beach! 1617944;1487991911;asciilifeform;bigbuxx! 1617945;1487991912;ben_vulpes;beach. es. 1617946;1487991920;ben_vulpes;upstream of the superfund site, even 1617947;1487991962;*;ben_vulpes bbl, babby 1617948;1487991964;*;asciilifeform admits that he mentally associates ben_vulpes's home town with haskell, and gets physically queasy thinking about it 1617949;1487992002;asciilifeform;( well not just haskell, but that one software co ) 1617950;1487992078;veen;ben_vulpes: not a fan of the car covers myself, accumulates grit, works finish during application and removal, and in any amount of wind 1617951;1487993841;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the feeling's mutual for ~the same reasons 1617952;1487993876;ben_vulpes;veen: i share these reservations; d'ya think the t-top'd have been better off without a shroud? 1617953;1487994870;veen;who's to say? is it a different material? 1617954;1487997590;veen;http://archive.is/QazwO << ho ho cloudflare lulz stem from using Ragel wrong. lots of surface area on that edifice... 1617955;1487998830;BingoBoingo;cloudflare lulz stem from US 'hockeystick' metaphor 1617956;1488003440;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617872 << In world of warcraft alliance and horde factions couldn't talk to each other. So as an alliance player if someone in the horde typed "lol" it would come out "kek". nostalgia :| 1617957;1488003440;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 02:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617860 << after n years i still am in the dark, re what exactly is a kek, and where to get one 1617958;1488003517;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: kek predates that 1617959;1488004953;trinque;kik is lol transposed left one key 1617960;1488004972;trinque;I'd wager the e was random drift 1617961;1488005032;trinque;of course these things needn't have one particular origin 1617962;1488006256;trinque;oh, I guess asians do say kek, too. 1617963;1488006267;trinque;that was important internet research. 1617964;1488006269;*;trinque to bed 1617965;1488034995;mod6;mornin' 1617966;1488035074;asciilifeform;goodmorning mod6 1617967;1488035151;shinohai;heya mod6 1617968;1488035223;mod6;:] 1617969;1488035351;mod6;asciilifeform: cool work on adding the timings for blocks (timer & revealer) 1617970;1488035411;mod6;how goes shinohai? 1617971;1488035557;shinohai;Not bad here, you? Hopefully I can get time this afternoon to add asciilifeform 's newest goodies and test 1617972;1488035677;mod6;yeah, good call. should be easy enough to drop em in and test 'em. 1617973;1488036255;mod6;lol, so get this. i was thinking, "man i really should have gotten a Ada ref book..." 1617974;1488036289;mod6;I already bought that Ada 95 lecture notes book and had it on my shelf. found it there lastnight. heh. 1617975;1488036367;asciilifeform;mod6: http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << quite possibly the best www resource re subj. 1617976;1488036427;mod6;ah yah, that's a good list of things. i've got it bookmarked. good to have it in the l0gz again tho. 1617977;1488036438;asciilifeform;( the canonical standards are also on www, http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/ada12.html , download the html to disk and use like lisp folks use clhs) 1617978;1488036506;asciilifeform;http://www.ada-auth.org/arm.html << on this page, there are zip of plain ascii (!!) vers of the ref and rationale, also. 1617979;1488036536;mod6;what i want to do is write a program that does somethings to not only get a feel for the lang, but also how to use packages. 1617980;1488036540;asciilifeform;mod6: the canonical 'schoolbook for the lazy' is the john barnes backbreaker. 1617981;1488036576;asciilifeform;the package system is quite spiffy and rather programmable, you will win from doing some reading. 1617982;1488036605;asciilifeform;( it is more similar to common lisp's than to idiot langs where 'hurr durr , packages just mean #include eh?' ) 1617983;1488036622;mod6;nice, thanks for the links. i'll keep readin' 1617984;1488039691;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/lets-put-one-and-two-together/ << Trilema - Let's put one and two together. 1617985;1488042294;mircea_popescu;trinque dja think deedbot should have an ad interim patch before tmsr pgp is released to take care of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617236 ? 1617986;1488042294;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 19:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o hey, consider this situation : 1. i know your fp, so i make fake key for that fp. 2. i know trinque 's fp, so i make fake key for that fp too. 3. i know you keep a signed copy of trinque's key on your keyring ; so : 4. i proceed to sign trinque's fake key with your fake key and 5. pretend to be a noob and give you my gpg pubkey. 1617987;1488042345;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho the smart thing to do with bad olde gpg is to use it as demonstrated in my original vtron -- sans keyring. 1617988;1488042375;mircea_popescu;smart thing would be to replace it with a proper rsatron 1617989;1488042388;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1617990;1488042407;mircea_popescu;no fixes till then i don't think. 1617991;1488042428;asciilifeform;must point out : keyring diddles don't affect folx who don't use keyrings. 1617992;1488042437;asciilifeform;(other gpg retardations -- naturally -- will.) 1617993;1488042449;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, 1st link in your piece is borked 1617994;1488042553;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/17577FB048785D5F26AF21D592811C703AB7BEF56D6DB29E34C2A8EF081BF233 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1671...2219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.149.58.73 (ssh-rsa key from 217.149.58.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (tango-73.srv.hosting.fi. FI) 1617995;1488042553;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/17577FB048785D5F26AF21D592811C703AB7BEF56D6DB29E34C2A8EF081BF233 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1676...3887 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.149.58.73 (ssh-rsa key from 217.149.58.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (tango-73.srv.hosting.fi. FI) 1617996;1488042562;mircea_popescu;fixt ty 1617997;1488042662;asciilifeform;meanwhile: 1617998;1488042666;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1617999;1488042671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al!! 1618000;1488042672;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000255.html 1618001;1488042677;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Blackhole Odometer. 1618002;1488042984;asciilifeform;after running this for a spell, simply: 1618003;1488042985;asciilifeform;grep -B 1 ProcessBlock .bitcoin/debug.log 1618004;1488042997;asciilifeform;and wotpaste the output . 1618005;1488043053;mircea_popescu;odometer lol. nice. 1618006;1488043248;ben_vulpes;alf the busy beaver dog 1618007;1488043390;mircea_popescu;wait, what's the beaver about ? 1618008;1488043404;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: pretty idle lately , actually, trb is a procrastinatory escape from the hardstuff 1618009;1488043502;ben_vulpes;publishy, then 1618010;1488043813;shinohai;Interesting trilema article mircea_popescu ... twitter actually locked my account twice this week over the "auto" stuff, which they refer to as suspicious account activity. 1618011;1488043836;mircea_popescu;heh 1618012;1488043864;mircea_popescu;lots of people, not just you. and they're all suspicious subversives. 1618013;1488043875;mircea_popescu;whatever, they'll be left with boeck and supran tweeting to one another, no great loss 1618014;1488044103;shinohai;Why have an api if you can't actually do useful things with it. 1618015;1488044185;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/KV4sG << relatedly! 1618016;1488044245;mircea_popescu;a there you go. 1618017;1488044488;mircea_popescu;lol wait for urbit. 1618018;1488044490;mircea_popescu;ahahahaa ookay. 1618019;1488044503;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and 'blockchain-based principles' !! 1618020;1488044526;asciilifeform;hey where would the islanders ever have seen airplane made not of straw. 1618021;1488044575;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the guy doesn't know how to say http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ 1618022;1488044593;mircea_popescu;don't begrudge an orc his orcish tongue ; "blockchain principles" is how they say "tmsr made" 1618023;1488044663;mircea_popescu;o look, stefan molyneux made the list, that chick angie what'sher name didn't. 1618024;1488044693;asciilifeform;heimbach did tho!111 1618025;1488044709;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-15#1555637 1618026;1488044709;a111;Logged on 2016-10-15 05:27 asciilifeform: heimbach was one hell of a d00d, i met him on a street, where he picketed 'occupyists' while waving kaiser banner. 1618027;1488044723;*;mircea_popescu lulz at the notion he quit it before it was even cool. 1618028;1488044739;asciilifeform;hey asciilifeform was 1 step ahead even of this! never used shitter 1618029;1488044768;mircea_popescu;a decade or so ago there were womenz there. 1618030;1488044801;asciilifeform;hey now it'll be ~100% solid 'womenz.' only, the kind with 6 legs. 1618031;1488044824;mircea_popescu;myeah 1618032;1488045267;asciilifeform;in other noose, worldwide butthurt re 'oh noez, people won't delete ILLICIT LEAKED SEEKRITZ!111 from crapflare 'bug' !! IRRESPONSIBLE!' 1618033;1488045281;mircea_popescu;lel 1618034;1488045291;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/Nxydu << entomologists only!! ) 1618035;1488045294;mircea_popescu;quite literally irresponsible : i don't fucking answer TO YOU SAD LOT 1618036;1488046380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FEYhA/?raw=true << thus far on dulap. 1618037;1488046421;asciilifeform;general-purpose db, it turns out, is ALWAYS The Wrong Tool For Every Job (tm) -- like duct tape, and 'visegrip'... 1618038;1488046470;mircea_popescu;contrary to what hate haters hate, mysql is perfect for the web 1618039;1488046479;mircea_popescu;(no, the web doesn't have "logins" ffs.) 1618040;1488046481;asciilifeform;~mysql~ ? 1618041;1488046485;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1618042;1488046486;asciilifeform;the one that crashes randomly ? 1618043;1488046502;mircea_popescu;8 years of trilema, never crashed, randomly or otherwise. 1618044;1488046540;asciilifeform;how many write/sec peak ? 1618045;1488046544;asciilifeform;reads ? 1618046;1488046552;mircea_popescu;writes ? i dunno, one a day ? 1618047;1488046556;asciilifeform;so then. 1618048;1488046563;mircea_popescu;reads, in the 1k/s range i guess. trilema is big. 1618049;1488046566;mircea_popescu;I DID SAY! 1618050;1488046579;asciilifeform;if you ~only read, you don't need a db 1618051;1488046603;mircea_popescu;but you don't ~only. you web. rarely write, often read. 1618052;1488046616;mircea_popescu;it has slave reads, which makes it WAY BETTER than any other, including progresql or whatever 1618053;1488046641;asciilifeform;point being that you can simply switch off reading for the few msec every day that you are actually writing, without causing headache 1618054;1488046647;mircea_popescu;yup. 1618055;1488046647;asciilifeform;and guarantee consistency 1618056;1488046707;mircea_popescu;received 1.8 gb sent 104.3 gb. today. 1618057;1488046725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought you had a cachetron in there? or does every www load actually result in db reads 1618058;1488046742;asciilifeform;(even phuctor has a simple cache) 1618059;1488046757;mircea_popescu;not every www load hits the db, but more than none do because page layout complexities 1618060;1488046772;mircea_popescu;(new comment stales out all article pages ; all pages are staled out once a day cause of header image ; etcetera) 1618061;1488046778;asciilifeform;so probably it isn't '1k/sec' then 1618062;1488046787;mircea_popescu;today is not ddos day 1618063;1488046787;asciilifeform;but a more reasonable handful/sec. 1618064;1488046799;mircea_popescu;you understand this, it stays up through all sorts of insanity. 1618065;1488046827;asciilifeform;'stay up' is not same as 'all requests complete' neh 1618066;1488046835;mircea_popescu;for the web it is. 1618067;1488046854;mircea_popescu;that's the premise here : perfect for the job. 1618068;1488046856;asciilifeform;what, every ddos maggot gets an accurate copy of the item he supposedly reads? 1618069;1488046875;mircea_popescu;no, just, i don't give a shit what happens to any request. 1618070;1488046896;asciilifeform;so 'perfect' for 'the web' aka 'thing that does not actually need to work to any spec' 1618071;1488046902;mircea_popescu;it's a job. 1618072;1488047050;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what were 'slave reads' ? 1618073;1488047064;mircea_popescu;you recall the discussion where you couldn'tr get "advanced sqltron" to read stale ? 1618074;1488047090;asciilifeform;i recall one where i asked how to force unlocking for reads in pgsql , and found answer was 'fuckyou' 1618075;1488047107;mircea_popescu;and phf was all like "this isn't in the spec" then read the spec etc 1618076;1488047199;asciilifeform;btw not only do i ask for this, but i would even buy a multi-ported ssd. to ACTUALLY read from two holes at same time. because in some applications, you can guarantee consistency using YOUR OWN system, and don't need to rely on some idiot's lock 1618077;1488047226;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1618078;1488047229;asciilifeform;(you can get multiported memory, no questions asked, even now. but not, for some odd reason, packaged into any device you can use with a comp...) 1618079;1488047233;mircea_popescu;orc dun know what he didn't read on twitter. 1618080;1488047401;asciilifeform;while we're on subj of idiot db: i looked into how to sanely aggregate writes in bdb. turned up 0. 1618081;1488047482;mircea_popescu;i dun think it does that. 1618082;1488047492;asciilifeform;evidently 1618083;1488047511;asciilifeform;incidentally, does it melt anyone else's brain that satoshi's format for tx input did not mandate a 'and it is in block # N' field ? 1618084;1488047530;mircea_popescu;no. very much in line with the cowboy design altogether. 1618085;1488047533;asciilifeform;this would handily make the txindex db unnecessary entirely 1618086;1488047538;asciilifeform;as well as abolish 'orphans', etc. 1618087;1488047549;mircea_popescu;yes but it would inconvenience user. 1618088;1488047568;asciilifeform;how ? ohnoez, he has to wait for a tx to get mined before making children of it ? 1618089;1488047577;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1618090;1488047583;asciilifeform;big fat pain 1618091;1488047599;mircea_popescu;yes. but at the time satoshi was satoshing under that name, people were still pre-bitcoinafrica 1618092;1488047607;asciilifeform;(... and, having to wait half hour for block eatings is not pain ?) 1618093;1488047621;mircea_popescu;no because government does thart for them hurr. 1618094;1488047640;mircea_popescu;it's hard, dude. washing out the socialism from the crevices of the boy who lived in socialism is fucking hard. 1618095;1488047654;asciilifeform;but that was ~whole motherfucking point, even of early bitcoin 1618096;1488047664;asciilifeform;as nonsocialism themepark, if you will 1618097;1488047667;mircea_popescu;what people think the whole point is scarcely has any bearing. 1618098;1488047680;mircea_popescu;that's what he was trying to do, yes. 1618099;1488047699;mircea_popescu;similarily, young bride isn't AIMING to become a bitch. she's just getting married. 1618100;1488047709;mircea_popescu;and it'll be really cool and wonderful. 1618101;1488047745;asciilifeform;bitcoin reminds me of... early attempts to pump hard vacuum. 1618102;1488047786;asciilifeform;(e.g., edison, was very frustrated, because it is physically impossible to get ~hard~ vacuum using , e.g., torricelli's methods, but he did not know this ) 1618103;1488047824;asciilifeform;('hard', for n00bz, i will reminds, is when mean-free-path of particle is longer than the container is wide along any axis) 1618104;1488047858;asciilifeform;so it likewise was with 'let's make a bottle with 0 socialism' 1618105;1488047880;asciilifeform;trb node is, for instance, continuously engaged in the sin of 'something to allcomers'. 1618106;1488047958;mircea_popescu;yeah 1618107;1488047979;mircea_popescu;i think it a very apt analogy actually. 1618108;1488047999;asciilifeform;pretty straight case of 'naturam expellas furca tamen usque recurret' 1618109;1488048008;mircea_popescu;only in the making of hard vacuum was the making of hard vacuum learned ; and it fundamentally changed fluid physics (which is more than one immediately realises) 1618110;1488048016;asciilifeform;aha. 1618111;1488048021;mircea_popescu;it's very similar to the marine chronometer problem, in its disproportionate impact 1618112;1488048044;mircea_popescu;"who the fuck cares about navy timekeeping" "hurry up and have children before you're too old to attract a sucker" 1618113;1488048347;asciilifeform;there were not so many tech leaps comparable to hard vacuum (which makes possible everything from triode -- ergo, tuned radio, cathode tube, geiger, electron microscopy, 1,000,001 everyday items ) 1618114;1488048429;asciilifeform;a method of bitcoinating where you can actually get ~100% of the socialism out (as contemplated in, e.g., the gossip threads) would, i suspect, be a similar jump. 1618115;1488048498;mircea_popescu;aha. 1618116;1488048510;mircea_popescu;trb-i, yes? 1618117;1488048604;asciilifeform;by definition neh. 1618118;1488048608;mircea_popescu;yeah 1618119;1488049070;asciilifeform;while we're on subj, why not make tx of fixed size ? 1618120;1488049080;asciilifeform;then you have O(1) input-finding. 1618121;1488049098;asciilifeform;no incides needed at all. 1618122;1488049102;asciilifeform;*indices 1618123;1488049166;asciilifeform;tx is, e.g., 1024 byte, then 1024 tx live in a block, etc. 1618124;1488049517;asciilifeform;a mature (i.e. mined) tx's id will then consist of the concatenation of the block number it lives in (say, 64bit, enough until long after sun burns out), then a 10-bit offset into the block (0..1023) , then hash of payload. 1618125;1488049601;asciilifeform;(alternatively, could require that a tx include a 'i want to live in block N' value at birth! and if it doesn't get into N, it is invalid for all time. but this would have serious engineering tradeoff, 'canned' txen as discussed in old mircea_popescu article would be impossible.) 1618126;1488049626;asciilifeform;('value at birth' naturally implies 'encompassed by the signature') 1618127;1488049664;asciilifeform;however 'bbet scenario' would then also be abolished. 1618128;1488049769;asciilifeform;no longer would idiotic concept of 'ahahaha you're trying to DOUBLESPEND!' be a thing. 1618129;1488049807;asciilifeform;and mempool contents would have natural lifespans, as they presently do not. 1618130;1488049827;danielpbarron;not impossible; would just need to pre-sign hundreds of thousands of tx, each "wanting to live" in a different block but all using the same inputs. even gives you the control over how long the "canned tx" is good for 1618131;1488049874;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: if this is desirable -- then can use scheme as described. otherwise can also require ~hash~ of the antecedent of the wanted-block. 1618132;1488049877;asciilifeform;then -- no cans. 1618133;1488050000;asciilifeform;to clarify -- in my mind, a 'trb-i' ~must~ be capable of checking validity of tx at wire speed (i.e. at the speed it is physically capable of receiving them) on reasonable iron. 1618134;1488050022;asciilifeform;this would abolish the 'epicycle' of 'how do we rate-limit crapola' 1618135;1488050062;asciilifeform;and transform the problem into 'how do we keep enemy from jamming the low level transport', which is solved by signed-packets (or mircea_popescu's variant, or similar.) 1618136;1488050193;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack -- if you have 'want-block' field, you can auto-reject (in O(1) !!) any tx that comes in having a want-block that is <= current-height. 1618137;1488050209;asciilifeform;(reject, that is, from mempool candidacy) 1618138;1488050262;asciilifeform;likewise you can reject, in O(1), any tx input which attempts to make use of a future ( > current-height ) block. 1618139;1488050298;trinque;beat me to "then people will broadcast 10x the txns each time" 1618140;1488050332;asciilifeform;trinque: nobody makes you relay tx that has future want-block. 1618141;1488050338;trinque;aha 1618142;1488050352;asciilifeform;( but as i described, you can make it protocolically impossible, by demanding parent's hash ) 1618143;1488050376;trinque;on the same page; please continue 1618144;1488050378;asciilifeform;in either hypothetical trb-i -- you no longer need a db. any db. 1618145;1488050388;asciilifeform;all input lookups are O(1). 1618146;1488050461;asciilifeform;locking problems (gotta add tx to index, in current trb, as aggregate -- but the only way to do that is to stop the world! like complete idiot -- every time there is a new block, to prevent situation where there is a partially indexed block available to incoming mempool tx verifier) disappear. 1618147;1488050475;asciilifeform;in given trb-i scheme, a block either exists on disk -- or does not 1618148;1488050488;asciilifeform;either verifies (again in O(1) !) or does not 1618149;1488050549;asciilifeform;scheme is a quite obvious one. but i bet if there is anyone whom this shoe pinches, it'll be mircea_popescu , he will tell us where. 1618150;1488050633;asciilifeform;the one tricky question i can think of is, how does it behave under reorg. 1618151;1488050714;asciilifeform;(seems to me that the old dictum 'wait 6 blox' would still apply just the same.) 1618152;1488050812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform judging by the thing you linked btw, the "harmless radiator" function of urbit is out in full effect. 1618153;1488050816;trinque;under current circumstances there are also cases where you will have to regrind and rebroadcast your transaction 1618154;1488050830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: andresen h. paid for it for a reason!11 1618155;1488050834;trinque;same deal, better watch the chain to know your txn actually happened 1618156;1488050839;asciilifeform;trinque: right 1618157;1488050865;mircea_popescu;canned txn wouldn't be impossible, just less maneuvrable. 1618158;1488050866;asciilifeform;trinque: though in classical bitcoin you don't usually need to regrind 1618159;1488050870;mircea_popescu;could make them in 1k block increments say 1618160;1488050871;asciilifeform;only rebroadcast 1618161;1488050887;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: under the don't-need-antecedent-hash -- yes, you could 1618162;1488050892;asciilifeform;in the stricter variant -- not 1618163;1488050949;trinque;looser variant only buys you "might get into alternate next-block, otherwise regrind" 1618164;1488050953;trinque;not much really 1618165;1488050997;asciilifeform;trinque: looser variant buys you 'i can give canned tx to my friend so he can move my coin to /dev/null when usg shoots me, but nowhere else' 1618166;1488051004;asciilifeform;if no canned tx permitted -- this is no longer possible. 1618167;1488051030;trinque;aha, feature or bug 1618168;1488051036;asciilifeform;it is both. 1618169;1488051072;asciilifeform;which is why i won't even take a position on this , and leave it up to folx who actually worked this scenario in real life , e.g. mircea_popescu . 1618170;1488051085;mircea_popescu;anyway. the main problem, barely conveyed by the "canned tx" thing, is that if you require the user to know more than his privkey to make a txn, you make usage a higher bar than it is now. 1618171;1488051100;asciilifeform;correct 1618172;1488051121;mircea_popescu;whether this is desirable or not is very much an open question, but it is too early yet to weigh on the matter. 1618173;1488051122;asciilifeform;he has to know the actual best-block. 1618174;1488051137;asciilifeform;(which, if you recall in classical bitcoin, is not easy ! withholding exists...) 1618175;1488051173;trinque;imagining one under attack, it could certainly prevent him from blasting coin to another castle before defeat 1618176;1488051182;trinque;net blockade == no transactions smuggled out 1618177;1488051202;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618154 << it's so funny, at least to me, the sheer wastage of resources usg oligarchs engage in. they keep buying things, which they don't understand, on the expectation that "we;ll find a use for them". they do. it's ALWAYS the same one. somehow the fact that i know in advance what it'll be doesn't inform them as to their horrible strategic position. 1618178;1488051202;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 19:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: andresen h. paid for it for a reason!11 1618179;1488051208;trinque;or, messenger has to have privkey 1618180;1488051220;trinque;in which case messenger is fucking rich 1618181;1488051222;mircea_popescu;somewhat in the same way a retarded child who buys things but always ends up using them as if they were icecream doesn't thereby realise he's retarded. 1618182;1488051239;mircea_popescu;trinque there's all that. 1618183;1488051279;asciilifeform;trinque, mircea_popescu : to my naked eye, looks like you could get best of both world, by making 'want-block' optional 1618184;1488051280;mircea_popescu;it suspiciously reinstills socialism in that it creates a very strong incentive for... all castles to... work together. because "first they came for the germans" usual bugaboo of socialist propaganda to try and dissolve the outer membranes of the individual organism's cells. 1618185;1488051323;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the unfortunate bit is that having global consensused state (blocks) at all, already does this 1618186;1488051332;mircea_popescu;to a lesser degree. 1618187;1488051362;asciilifeform;(the only alternative known to me, presently, is the matrix mechanics 'coin' we discussed on a few occasions, and that is 'martian' tech that nobody alive is necessarily qualified to operate ) 1618188;1488051371;mircea_popescu;see, the fact that you don't have txn as you describe is what allowed me the "you will die if you fork" threat last year : i don't have to know jack about their chain to murder their chain. 1618189;1488051386;mircea_popescu;under a bitcoin as you describe, 2015 gavincoin'd have had better chances. 1618190;1488051402;asciilifeform;how's that 1618191;1488051421;mircea_popescu;because the same txn was acceptable to both fork and real network. 1618192;1488051459;mircea_popescu;spend a bitcoin, obtain a bitcoin on each chain. 1618193;1488051470;asciilifeform;doesn't that make setting up the temperature pump harder, rather than easier ? 1618194;1488051481;asciilifeform;(the gavin-killing device from mircea_popescu's 'missile crisis' piece) 1618195;1488051501;mircea_popescu;seems not. 1618196;1488051525;mircea_popescu;let's see. i have a bitcoin. the network forks. i spend the bitcoin. the spend is valid on both networks and thus included by both networks. in different blocks. 1618197;1488051533;mircea_popescu;i now have two bitcoins - a real and a fake one. 1618198;1488051549;mircea_popescu;if the network worked as you describe, i'd have had to choose on which network i wish to spend. 1618199;1488051566;mircea_popescu;which'd have required me to ~know something~ about the fake network. 1618200;1488051569;asciilifeform;now let's work same example in hypothetical 'needs want-block'. there you would simply have to sign 2 tx, with same payload other than 'want-block', neh ? 1618201;1488051570;mircea_popescu;something is a higher bar than nothing. 1618202;1488051573;asciilifeform;and would get desired effect 1618203;1488051584;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617985 << yes, I will look into storing pubkeys elsewhere, nuke keyring, pass pubkey each time to encrypt call. 1618204;1488051584;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 17:04 mircea_popescu: trinque dja think deedbot should have an ad interim patch before tmsr pgp is released to take care of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617236 ? 1618205;1488051584;mircea_popescu;i said harder not impossible. 1618206;1488051609;mircea_popescu;trinque my concern was more in the vein of, i don't want deedbot to answer with an item crafted as described to a !!key command 1618207;1488051619;asciilifeform;on second thought, it seems to me that you could get everything you could possibly want from 'want-block', by making an optional 'max-block' 1618208;1488051640;asciilifeform;this would abolish bbet-like 'dr.evil sat on this tx until convenient moment, then mined it' when desired. 1618209;1488051646;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this existed historically, on say call bills etc. 1618210;1488051649;asciilifeform;and still permit canned tx. 1618211;1488051655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. expiring cheques, etc. 1618212;1488051656;trinque;mircea_popescu: right, register in this case would write a pubkey somewhere once, and always use that as the nick:key association 1618213;1488051660;trinque;whereas now I'm asking the keyring 1618214;1488051681;mircea_popescu;trinque it's more than that. must make sure the pubkey you wrote includes nothing but itself. one modulus. 1618215;1488051690;mircea_popescu;othewrwise you'll feed it to people, see ? 1618216;1488051720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to defang gpg, must prevent it from writing to ANYWHERE on disk other than stdout 1618217;1488051730;asciilifeform;so no implicit modification of states. 1618218;1488051737;mircea_popescu;yeah well, that's a diff story. 1618219;1488051737;trinque;mircea_popescu: ah yes I do. I'll need that pgpdump guy, store what's extracted from the key 1618220;1488051737;asciilifeform;just recall vtron. 1618221;1488051747;mircea_popescu;trinque pretty much. 1618222;1488051751;mircea_popescu;sorry for the mess, which it is. 1618223;1488051759;trinque;is what it is 1618224;1488051767;mircea_popescu;myeah. thanks obama sort of thing. 1618225;1488051826;mircea_popescu;incredibly prescient choice on mod6 's part with the .seals design 1618226;1488051829;mircea_popescu;or was it alf ? 1618227;1488051843;asciilifeform;mod6 implemented my original format 100% 1618228;1488051854;asciilifeform;(he did make small mistake in his recurser, but that was separate thing) 1618229;1488051857;mircea_popescu;yeah. it was you know, so clunky and unhip, at the time. 1618230;1488051877;asciilifeform;fwiw i still use my vtron and his interchangeably. 1618231;1488051914;asciilifeform;and nobody will need to make much change to switch to 'p' keys/seals. 1618232;1488051960;mircea_popescu;aha. 1618233;1488052299;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618203 << if the only gpg op in your thing is verification, you can lift code from any of the vtrons, verbatim 1618234;1488052299;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 19:39 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617985 << yes, I will look into storing pubkeys elsewhere, nuke keyring, pass pubkey each time to encrypt call. 1618235;1488052315;asciilifeform;(if decrypt -- a bit more sweat) 1618236;1488052398;trinque;I have a gpg wrapper CL item I wrote 1618237;1488052404;asciilifeform;aah neato 1618238;1488052422;trinque;would release but the thing doesn't need more legs 1618239;1488052685;asciilifeform;trinque, mircea_popescu : the reason for my 'want-block' gedankenexperiment, is the 'high vacuum' line of thought from earlier. because any way you cut it, an unexpiring tx is a kind of cheque for unlimited number of cpu cycles from the rest of the world 1618240;1488052696;asciilifeform;in that nodes are required to contemplate it again, and again, potentially forever 1618241;1488052711;mircea_popescu;no, but until included. 1618242;1488052712;asciilifeform;it is a 'to-allcomers' quantum of socialistronium 1618243;1488052734;asciilifeform;yes but potentially never included, and always a cpu tax to all-comers. 1618244;1488052752;asciilifeform;'unbounded' ~= 'infinite'. 1618245;1488052754;mircea_popescu;im not disputing unexpiring txn is a bojum 1618246;1488052766;mircea_popescu;for one thing, very poor impedance match with human thought processes. 1618247;1488052795;asciilifeform;and yes, the man in the besieged castle, would dearly love to broadcast an unexpiring tx, throw it in a glass bottle into the sea, and who knows, it will go to friendly lines 1618248;1488052802;asciilifeform;but this is an unlimited cheque, of sorts. 1618249;1488052881;mircea_popescu;it inadvertently forces a node-miner tandem ("you don't like the mempopol, fucking mine it already") 1618250;1488052904;asciilifeform;aha. 1618251;1488052913;mircea_popescu;wasn't so obvious back when ppl cpumined on the single windows binary 1618252;1488052936;asciilifeform;there may exist some way to solve 'castle problem' that doesn't require a tx to stand alone 'for all time'. 1618253;1488052948;mircea_popescu;anyway, no need for "desried block" and "max block" both. just the latter suffices. 1618254;1488052964;asciilifeform;yes but ~require~ the latter ? 1618255;1488052974;mircea_popescu;sure. 1618256;1488052992;asciilifeform;then solves 'to allcomers', because the cpu cycle cost of eating a tx can be determined in O(1). 1618257;1488052993;mircea_popescu;it can be priced see. if i wish to pay a ten bitcoin fee, i thereby have the right to make my tx last into the eons 1618258;1488052998;asciilifeform;^ aha 1618259;1488053001;asciilifeform;is what i meant 1618260;1488053024;mircea_popescu;the pill to socialism is market. make things marketable, no further problems. 1618261;1488053053;mircea_popescu;that's why i aim to buy the arab girls rather than convert to islam. they can keep their fucking ethnosocialism. 1618262;1488053092;mircea_popescu;and that's also why the hope of the beta bois whining around "nrx" because "girlz be mean yo" is so well set to be disabused. more market, not less, is the future. 1618263;1488053100;asciilifeform;to outline what we have so far : we've a 'must have all blocks' mining algo, from mircea_popescu ; we have a O(1)-verify-of-any-and-all-tx-and-blocks algo from asciilifeform (today) ; and we also now have a 'limited cpu cost for tx' algo. 1618264;1488053124;mircea_popescu;yes, not terrible. 1618265;1488053172;asciilifeform;what we afaik don't have is 'incentive for node-keeping' algo (though mircea_popescu's partially solves this, by requiring miners to have healthy nodes) 1618266;1488053194;mircea_popescu;what we don't really have is the stuff that we really need, such as debottlers. 1618267;1488053207;asciilifeform;what's that 1618268;1488053224;mircea_popescu;can you presently count the bitcoin networks that exist ? 1618269;1488053237;mircea_popescu;i know you'll say "there's one". but can you count ? 1618270;1488053247;asciilifeform;i can't even count how many arms and legs exist 1618271;1488053257;asciilifeform;(can fermi estimate,but that is not same!) 1618272;1488053269;mircea_popescu;the g has a decent debottler built in ; the trb-i does not, and needs a few. 1618273;1488053279;asciilifeform;plox to elaborate 1618274;1488053289;mircea_popescu;"how do i know i talk to nodes that are representative ? cheaply and easily ?" for instance. 1618275;1488053291;asciilifeform;why is it necessary for anyone to know the global count of operating nodes 1618276;1488053300;mircea_popescu;i did not say nodes. i said networks. 1618277;1488053306;asciilifeform;it seems like a terrible liability, for such a thing to be possible 1618278;1488053316;mircea_popescu;for all you know there's 45 different bitcoins going on right now, separated by a so-far universally permeable membrane. 1618279;1488053326;asciilifeform;(see mircea_popescu's earlier point re imposing cooperation on castles) 1618280;1488053359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is inevitable fact of life, boxes live and die, wires are cut, new ones -- laid, etc 1618281;1488053364;mircea_popescu;consider the case of the web, also a major application in need of a debottler. how do you know whether you connect ot the internet or to the tomcooknet ? 1618282;1488053369;mircea_popescu;most ustards do the later and have no idea. 1618283;1488053370;asciilifeform;there are as many 'bitcoin nets', theoretically, as there are nodes 1618284;1488053397;mircea_popescu;my mouse knew it was in a glass jar. 1618285;1488053418;asciilifeform;i am at a loss as to how this problem is solvable in general case. aside from mircea_popescu's answer to my 'panopticon' thread, 'don't get caught in a jar!' 1618286;1488053427;mircea_popescu;what difference does that make ? 1618287;1488053431;mircea_popescu;it's still needed. 1618288;1488053431;asciilifeform;'if you keep banging head on glass, you are probably in a jar' 1618289;1488053442;asciilifeform;perpetuum mobile is similarly 'needed'. 1618290;1488053444;mircea_popescu;yes, but it'd be good if it could be protocolized. 1618291;1488053473;asciilifeform;and isn't that what the proof of work thing was originally about..? 1618292;1488053496;asciilifeform;'if you notice that the world hashrate seems to now equal what you could make out of your kitchen appliances, you are probably on cooknet' 1618293;1488053527;mircea_popescu;it's a step in that direction yes. 1618294;1488053592;asciilifeform;afaik it is one of the only two known steps in that direction (the other being wotronics. and we discussed what a coin that relies ~solely~ on wotronics, and not at all on proof-of-work, might look like.) 1618295;1488053606;mircea_popescu;only works for blocks, you see. 1618296;1488053615;mircea_popescu;whereas the bar to participate is txn 1618297;1488053627;mircea_popescu;again, at the time ppl cpumined on their node-miner-wallet nobody noticed the difference. 1618298;1488053650;asciilifeform;aha, even with mandatorily expiring tx, it is still possible to flood at low cost 1618299;1488053661;asciilifeform;though O(1) verification could make this a nonproblem 1618300;1488053665;mircea_popescu;that's one end of it. 1618301;1488053675;mircea_popescu;it's also possible to go "oh, go ahead and spend your bitcoinz lel" 1618302;1488053684;asciilifeform;(if tx can be verified at line rate, nobody can do any more damage using tx flooding than they already can do by flooding your net pipe) 1618303;1488053712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as in, 'fuck you, i won't relay this, your addr ends with my auschwitz tatoo number' ?) 1618304;1488053715;mircea_popescu;consider the lulz yesterday with the peter todd imbecile, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617211 1618305;1488053715;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 18:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the important point there is : the whole fake bitcoin address (3something) is supposed to be "useful" in practice. this utility is supposed to be proven by idiotic "challenges" like this one put up by peter todd. EXCEPT the output does not actually SIGN the transaction claiming the bounty. 1618306;1488053731;mircea_popescu;if your idea of "i want to spend my dime" reduces to "well, have a mining farm" suddenly the whole thing's ~useless. 1618307;1488053739;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. 1618308;1488053747;asciilifeform;wasn't that ^ thing simply an instance of 'i'ma put some coin on the floor for a miner to take' ? 1618309;1488053754;asciilifeform;~= voluntary fee. 1618310;1488053759;mircea_popescu;mno. 1618311;1488053768;asciilifeform;that it was able to masquerade as 'contest prize', is not really a bug in bitcoin 1618312;1488053774;mircea_popescu;it was an instance of "here's something i made that doesn't work, mommy loves me" complex. 1618313;1488053791;mircea_popescu;yes, but the idea is to not expand the hipster doofus design principles to trb-i 1618314;1488053803;asciilifeform;idiots will always be able to smear shit on surfaces. the important thing is that the surface not be shit-permeable. 1618315;1488053818;asciilifeform;pigeons shit on mercedes and trabant alike. 1618316;1488053849;mircea_popescu;never mind that. the problem is that if your tx being included depends on you having a miner, you don't actually have a system. just like the 3bullshit isn't a system. 1618317;1488053860;asciilifeform;that wasn't a legit bitcoin tx tho 1618318;1488053876;mircea_popescu;you keep fixating on a completely nonsensical interpretation of the comparison. 1618319;1488053914;asciilifeform;the fact of todd's trick being a thing, does not impose, afaik, any costs on legit users of bitcoin 1618320;1488053922;mircea_popescu;look here. 1618321;1488053955;mircea_popescu;idiot example #1 : peter todd & prb idiots came up with "a way to do things", which does not in fact work. 1618322;1488053996;mircea_popescu;idiot example #2 : a trb which allows txn to be blocked by others than their issuers is ALSO a "way to do things" which doesn't in fact work, and therefore, exactly equivalent to the peter todd & prb idiots item 1618323;1488054014;asciilifeform;( if huckster can sell piss-cum-ink to chumps as 'elixir of immortality' -- is this a bug in piss? or in ink ? that he can do this ) 1618324;1488054019;mircea_popescu;miners may not be able to choose txn on any other criteria than the fee ; nodes idem. 1618325;1488054045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how do you propose to force miners to include a particular tx ? 1618326;1488054059;mircea_popescu;all txn are encrypted to destination. nobody knows what was mined until it is spent. 1618327;1488054064;asciilifeform;i recall a proposal where ^ 1618328;1488054098;asciilifeform;they can still discriminate on input, neh 1618329;1488054109;mircea_popescu;(practically - you can only know txn y spent from address z only once the chain ends up with an address you own so you can decrypt it) 1618330;1488054117;mircea_popescu;the problem with this is that it makes balance checks impossible. 1618331;1488054126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how ? 1618332;1488054139;asciilifeform;to validate a tx, you gotta know that it is spending a valid input 1618333;1488054143;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1618334;1488054172;mircea_popescu;this is what i'm saying, anyway. " what we don't really have is the stuff that we really need, such as debottlers." 1618335;1488054181;asciilifeform;( to square this circle, appears to be an irresistible lure to 'tor' types, they keep coming up with 'zkp' schemes ) 1618336;1488054193;asciilifeform;ring signatures, etc. 1618337;1488054198;asciilifeform;none of it remotely works. 1618338;1488054205;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. 1618339;1488054238;mircea_popescu;absent a good or at least workable breakthrough in this vein, there's no strong technological incentive to move to trb-i 1618340;1488054245;mircea_popescu;there may be political, but then again... 1618341;1488054252;asciilifeform;o(1) verification and must-have-all-blocks not enough ? 1618342;1488054261;mircea_popescu;political. 1618343;1488054277;asciilifeform;'it won't grind to a halt in few years' is not 'political incentive' ? 1618344;1488054282;mircea_popescu;it is. 1618345;1488054385;asciilifeform;what other 'technological leaps' might qualify (other than successful blinded-payload ) 1618346;1488054387;asciilifeform;? 1618347;1488054431;mircea_popescu;well, sha-1 went, any one of the two mechanisms involved in pubkey protection weakinging any would make for an emergency incentive. 1618348;1488054472;asciilifeform;elementarily 1618349;1488054482;mircea_popescu;let's see, what more... 1618350;1488054485;asciilifeform;(i was presupposing 'incentive to move while classical bitcoin is not on fire') 1618351;1488054518;mircea_popescu;(in case it wasn't obvious, diff between political and technological is based on whether people have an incentive to emulate the fix anyway) 1618352;1488054576;asciilifeform;'emulate the fix' means what, exactly ? 1618353;1488054601;asciilifeform;to pick it up and bolt to old piece of junk , rather than scrapping it entirely ? 1618354;1488054613;mircea_popescu;take the issue of "must have all blocks". there's a strong political incentive to supplant the technological failure. 1618355;1488054637;mircea_popescu;ie, the interests of the participants are alligned in the way of the fix not in the way of the failure. 1618356;1488054698;asciilifeform;dunno, the asian 'we JUST WANT TO' folx, will whine, stand in the way however they can 1618357;1488054707;mircea_popescu;myeah 1618358;1488054713;asciilifeform;they want to mine, see, on dial-up 1618359;1488054725;asciilifeform;(why -- i have nfi) 1618360;1488054813;asciilifeform;now, a magical squaring of the 'anonymous tx' circle, where you lose ~nothing~, can prove a balance, verify a tx, and send entirely blinded, that satisfies everyone -- would technologically supplant classical algo. but there is no sign that such a thing is possible. 1618361;1488054863;asciilifeform;(i even suspect that it is possible to rigorously prove that these requirements are mathematically contradictory) 1618362;1488054891;mircea_popescu;maybe so yeah. 1618363;1488055274;asciilifeform;blinded output is trivial (many ways to unblind 1 or more blocks later); it is ~inputs~ that are the squared-circle. 1618364;1488055283;mircea_popescu;yes. 1618365;1488055299;mircea_popescu;also happens to be what's of interest, what with all "color of bits" eternal imperial quest. 1618366;1488055341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu no longer satisfied with the historic 'there's no taint damn you all to hell' solution to subj ? 1618367;1488055343;mircea_popescu;anyway, there might be others, i make no pretense to exhaustivity, hence why this is a very early phase of the design. we don't well know the space yet. 1618368;1488055346;mircea_popescu;but you asked, and i tried to provide. 1618369;1488055363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm always open to technological solutions to replace political solutions. 1618370;1488055368;asciilifeform;aha, and if anyone else can think of something that belongs on the list -- i'm all ears 1618371;1488055374;mircea_popescu;much like i much prefer the "i'll be careful 1618372;1488055385;mircea_popescu;much like i much prefer the "i took my pills" to the "i'll be careful" female declaration. 1618373;1488055391;asciilifeform;aaha 1618374;1488055402;asciilifeform;'trust allah, and tie the came' 1618375;1488055404;asciilifeform;camel 1618376;1488055410;mircea_popescu;myeah 1618377;1488055460;mircea_popescu;and note that we';re not the onyl ones aware. enemy has placed a strategic urbit right on this space. 1618378;1488055513;asciilifeform;urbit made no presense of decentralization tho 1618379;1488055516;asciilifeform;quite the opposite 1618380;1488055522;asciilifeform;very much 'permissioned coin' 1618381;1488055523;mircea_popescu;i meant the what's it called, alt-coin 1618382;1488055529;mircea_popescu;fluffypony's thing 1618383;1488055535;asciilifeform;'monero' 1618384;1488055537;mircea_popescu;right 1618385;1488055539;mircea_popescu;dumbass name. 1618386;1488055580;asciilifeform;more recently, the zerocoin (or was it zcash..?) thing 1618387;1488055594;asciilifeform;each based on mathematical sleight of hand, rather than actual crypto 1618388;1488055615;mircea_popescu;only terrorists can add. 1618389;1488055652;mircea_popescu;(in case anyone wonders where the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614597 scheiderism is going) 1618390;1488055652;a111;Logged on 2017-02-16 16:16 asciilifeform: 'Security expert and doomsayer Bruce Schneier – speaking by video owing to RSA Conference commitments in San Francisco and perhaps prescience with regard to seasonal travel challenges – predicted that the government is coming to handcuff coders. "We all had this special right to code the world as we saw fit," said Schneier. "My guess is we're going to lose that right, because it's too dangerous 1618391;1488055660;asciilifeform;Licensed Agents Of The Crown may, under some exceptional circumstances, add!111 but Only Terrorists could ever GCD. 1618392;1488055693;mircea_popescu;somehow the fundamental problem of making one's citizens weaker is never evident to these schmucks. 1618393;1488055701;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's what the 'trusted computing' / 'fritz chip' / etc. thing was about. and that it was about this, was obvious in 1995. 1618394;1488055712;mircea_popescu;"oh but if they're strong they might not like us". ~dumbass women always and everywhere. 1618395;1488055720;asciilifeform;it was obvious even to rms, the mushroom man 1618396;1488055778;mircea_popescu;aha. 1618397;1488055925;asciilifeform;btw i know of 1 simple way to make 'blinded input' 1618398;1488055933;asciilifeform;that actually works 1618399;1488055936;asciilifeform;although has own cost 1618400;1488055965;asciilifeform;you could permit a tx to have an encrypted input, if it has a verifiable fallback input, rather like 'co-signer' in banking world 1618401;1488055977;asciilifeform;which gets used if the primary input turns out to invalidate on unblind 1618402;1488055986;mircea_popescu;in other lulkz : cnn, nytimes and the rest of the libertard fake news sites denied white house access. 1618403;1488055987;asciilifeform;that way you can guarantee the validity of a blinded tx. 1618404;1488055995;mircea_popescu;say what you will, the man is fucking killing them. 1618405;1488056006;mircea_popescu;now people will have to click on breitbart to see what trump said at news conference. 1618406;1488056016;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last i heard, they set up a 'parallel whitehouse taiwan' to 'report' on. 1618407;1488056026;mircea_popescu;yeah but, 1618408;1488056120;mircea_popescu;anyway. nytimes/cnn are getting shut down, this year. there's no two ways about it at this point. 1618409;1488056135;asciilifeform;( to revisit upstack : a transaction could have any number of blinded inputs, ordered by priority, if the ~sum~ moved is public, and there is at least 1 nonblinded fallback 'cosigner' input carried along. ) 1618410;1488056152;mircea_popescu;meh cosigners 1618411;1488056164;asciilifeform;well you would use a virginal pile of coin as the cosigner 1618412;1488056168;asciilifeform;it'd never get used up. 1618413;1488056181;asciilifeform;(unless you botch your tx-making and end up invoking the fallback) 1618414;1488056228;asciilifeform;i will guess that the scheme described above, is the closest anyone will ever see to an actual hard-solution to the given problem. 1618415;1488056326;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'cosigner' not in the idiot 'multisig' sense, but in the banking sense. 'this unencrypted input GUARANTEES validity of this tx, but if blinded input turns out valid, it does not get balance substracted.' 1618416;1488056330;asciilifeform;*subtracted 1618417;1488056358;mircea_popescu;so "i volunteer this neck to squeeze" ? tyvm. 1618418;1488056376;asciilifeform;special-purpose neck. 1618419;1488056383;mircea_popescu;game suddenly becomes "can you volunteer necks to squeeze" ; empire already reduced the thriving system of euro trade to the sad nonsense of us banking. 1618420;1488056388;mircea_popescu;won't take 200 years the 2nd pass. 1618421;1488056458;asciilifeform;unless someone were to discover a variant of 'zkp' that is not a cynical fraud (fat chance, imho) -- this is what you get. 1618422;1488056465;asciilifeform;'specify spare neck here' 1618423;1488056480;mircea_popescu;in other news, pol likes trilema http://8ch.net/pol/res/9353080.html 1618424;1488056550;asciilifeform;'Remember that most of these """journalists""" grew up either during Watergate or in its shadow, and so it's hardly surprising that they see the role of the press as some kind of unelected fourth branch of government whose job is to "take down" the President, if all else fails. Bernstein and Woodward are their gods.' 1618425;1488056553;asciilifeform;lulzy. 1618426;1488056927;asciilifeform;1 more upstack : it is possible to make a repudiatable fallback. ( how : you publish the privkey of the fallback addr, after, of course, you've successfully moved its contents to a new one. ) now it is not enough for enemy to find some d00d who knows the privkey to said fallback -- he also has to know ~who had it at time t~, because today ~everyone~ has it. 1618427;1488057234;asciilifeform;the other thing is, 'fallback' is a marketable ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618260 ) service. you can post a bond with somebody, and he gives you a fresh addr that you can use as fallback (if you drink it - he drinks up your bond, which is presumably more valuable than the addr amt.) 1618428;1488057234;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 20:03 mircea_popescu: the pill to socialism is market. make things marketable, no further problems. 1618429;1488057252;asciilifeform;the bond can be, e.g., casks of rum, not necessarily btc. 1618430;1488057264;mircea_popescu;yes but now you depend on a type of tx - the moving fallbacks. 1618431;1488057289;asciilifeform;the movement can be farmed out to the specialist ( described in the last example ) 1618432;1488057293;asciilifeform;marketable! 1618433;1488057315;mircea_popescu;so you've rebuilt exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618093 1618434;1488057315;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 18:33 mircea_popescu: no because government does thart for them hurr. 1618435;1488057317;asciilifeform;and it is very much in his interest to do a proper job. 1618436;1488057324;mircea_popescu;this is laughable. 1618437;1488057326;asciilifeform;how is it a government ? 1618438;1488057356;mircea_popescu;whenever your design calls for "and then they will go in front of the cannons, break the enemy's arms and beat them into a pulp with the broken arms" you're not asking for a merchant, but for a soldier. 1618439;1488057379;mircea_popescu;your design requires "always", not "when it's worth the money". 1618440;1488057436;asciilifeform;work out the example where the d00d with the rum, fails in his duty 1618441;1488057466;asciilifeform;your tx-s still won't be groupable by enemy ~to each other~, only to ~all of his backed tx~ 1618442;1488057480;asciilifeform;which presumably includes more than just 1 user 1618443;1488057490;mircea_popescu;this was the pretense of shared hosting. it didn't work irl. 1618444;1488057503;mircea_popescu;turns out usg is more than happy to bomb a whole dc, or for that matter wedding party. 1618445;1488057545;mircea_popescu;(i dunno if you recall the net history, was at a point swedish torrent published openly mockful "takedowns" on its website) 1618446;1488057576;asciilifeform;let's rewind to the attack scenario tho. if enemy can group the tx, all he gets is the ability to refuse to mine it, in this case 1618447;1488057583;asciilifeform;which is something he already has ~all of the time~ today 1618448;1488057592;mircea_popescu;so ? 1618449;1488057611;asciilifeform;so as i understand it, the pictured scheme in all cases makes enemy's work no easier than it is now. 1618450;1488057616;asciilifeform;and in many cases - considerably harder. 1618451;1488057625;mircea_popescu;political solution. 1618452;1488057661;asciilifeform;eh we don't even have a cipher of known hardness, nor any approach to one. 1618453;1488057667;asciilifeform;much less a guaranteed-headache for enemy. 1618454;1488057671;asciilifeform;of whatever shape. 1618455;1488057689;mircea_popescu;myeah. that, also, gores on list : cipher of known hardness. 1618456;1488057716;asciilifeform;fwiw i am not convinced that this is possible. 1618457;1488057732;asciilifeform;(outside of otp.) 1618458;1488057811;asciilifeform;( it is worth ~attempting~, but i know of 0 attempts founded on anything . ) 1618459;1488057825;*;asciilifeform searched for year+ and counting 1618460;1488057941;asciilifeform;i suspect that the most that can be hoped for, is a large pile of items that are provable to add ~zero or more~ headache to the enemy, individually AND in the aggregate. 1618461;1488057944;asciilifeform;this MAY be possible. 1618462;1488057998;asciilifeform;so, for instance, you can prove that a k-of-k (must have ALL parts) shamir split, where you then take each share and encipher with different method -- will NEVER be weaker than the strongest cipher used. 1618463;1488058015;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1618464;1488058016;asciilifeform;(i will leave the proof as exercise) 1618465;1488058916;mircea_popescu;in any case i'm not a huge fan of the current address derivation scheme 1618466;1488059104;mircea_popescu;ripemd160(sha256()) + sha256(sha256) checksum ? wtf is this bullshit. 1618467;1488059128;mircea_popescu;and ecdsa key to begin with ? fuck me sideways. 1618468;1488059664;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, it was 'junkyard wars', plain and simple 1618469;1488059683;asciilifeform;pieces the orc found lying around, he used. 1618470;1488059721;mircea_popescu;yeah. actually, im going to write up an alternative addressing shceme. 1618471;1488059806;asciilifeform;i like lamport's 1618472;1488059924;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604147 ) 1618473;1488059924;a111;Logged on 2017-01-17 00:21 asciilifeform: to possibly squeeze something useful from thread: as i understand, a lamport-based 'trb-i' ~could~ run on z80. 1618474;1488059962;asciilifeform;no bignums. 1618475;1488059975;asciilifeform;no numbertheoretical conjectures. 1618476;1488061544;asciilifeform;while we're doing trb-i : in addition to 'tx is 1024 bytes, and block is 1024 tx' , consider another item: 'block MUST contain 1024 valid tx' 1618477;1488061582;asciilifeform;now, miner could generate them himself. but now let's also suppose that every tx must also leak an epsilon of coin to /dev/null. 1618478;1488061602;asciilifeform;so now miner has hard incentive to find actual tx in he wild, to fill his block. 1618479;1488061694;danielpbarron;or leaked to a future block to be claimed along with tx fees 1618480;1488061732;asciilifeform;btw i suspect that 'tx must include a micro libation to the gods' -- i.e. a leak -- is a necessary component of 'hard vacuum', 0socialism trbi as discussed earlier 1618481;1488061753;asciilifeform;in essence you are paying holders of coin for the trouble of keeping up with your movements of same 1618482;1488061922;asciilifeform;generating and broadcasting a tx imposes a cost on all users, for all time 1618483;1488061948;asciilifeform;not only to verify it, again and again every time a new machine is stood up, 1618484;1488061953;asciilifeform;but to store it 1618485;1488061977;asciilifeform;imho it is reasonable that the doer of this, pay for it 1618486;1488062011;asciilifeform;and pay ~those on whom the cost is imposed~, rather than miner - an unrelated third party 1618487;1488062044;asciilifeform;the only practical way to do this, afaik, is a deflatory 'gods fee' per tx. 1618488;1488062139;mircea_popescu;eh, deflationary coin will run out of coin. 1618489;1488062166;mircea_popescu;if you mean something like "block subsidy = 100 btc forever ; and each block must contain 1k txn ; and each txn must waste 0.1 btc" then you've done jack shit. 1618490;1488062169;asciilifeform;bitcoin is deflatory... 1618491;1488062173;asciilifeform;run out yet? 1618492;1488062174;mircea_popescu;nope. 1618493;1488062188;asciilifeform;lose key -- lost coin 1618494;1488062193;mircea_popescu;libertards call it that ; but then again they call all sorts of things. 1618495;1488062206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's not what's being discussed here. 1618496;1488062207;asciilifeform;so long as remaining coin is ~infinitely divisible -- not problem 1618497;1488062221;mircea_popescu;no coin is infinitely divisible for reasons we already discussed. 1618498;1488062230;mircea_popescu;even the theory that 1 satoshi is actually the denomination of btc is iffy 1618499;1488062266;asciilifeform;i suspect that you still gotta have the god-fee if you want 0socialism. like or not. 1618500;1488062278;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/trb-i-addressing-scheme-proposal/ << Trilema - TRB-I Addressing Scheme Proposal 1618501;1488062287;asciilifeform;right now when you make a tx, ~infinite unrelated third parties eat the cost. 1618502;1488062389;asciilifeform;we have, if you will, a kind of leak. which is what all socialisms is, a disjunction where 'i can eat, these others -- pay' 1618503;1488062539;asciilifeform;gotta disincentivize junk tx. ~including those created or abetted by malicious miners~. 1618504;1488062616;asciilifeform;a null seat in a block, IS, i argue, a type of junk tx 1618505;1488062790;asciilifeform;this is one of the ingredients in the 'debottling' from earlier. 1618506;1488062941;danielpbarron;could make it so a tx spending the smallest unspent output without a sig is considered valid 1618507;1488062966;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: elaborate? 1618508;1488062980;asciilifeform;what means 'smallest unspent output' 1618509;1488062995;danielpbarron;like if I sent 0.00000001 1618510;1488063013;asciilifeform;but why would you do that 1618511;1488063023;asciilifeform;if anyone-can-steal it 1618512;1488063030;trinque;"segwit if whatever amount is tiny" ???? 1618513;1488063039;asciilifeform;wtf, why 1618514;1488063057;trinque;I'm more interested in the claim that null tx == junk tx 1618515;1488063083;asciilifeform;trinque: consider the base case : empty block 1618516;1488063107;asciilifeform;when miner makes empty block, he imposes a cost of cou and disk on every current and future user of the coin 1618517;1488063130;asciilifeform;and he is even paid, the moterfucker, for this 1618518;1488063142;trinque;I can see it. he does however lose any fees he might've had. 1618519;1488063144;asciilifeform;*of cpu 1618520;1488063167;danielpbarron;not a cost to anyone who already had a tx confirmed 1 to 5 blocks ago 1618521;1488063168;trinque;the perverse incentive to do this ought to diminish over time as things are 1618522;1488063182;trinque;danielpbarron: what's meant is cost to process the block he shat 1618523;1488063186;asciilifeform;fees, in turn , do zilch to offset the cost of relating tx 1618524;1488063191;asciilifeform;*relaying 1618525;1488063225;danielpbarron;you have to process something. a confirmation is a confirmation 1618526;1488063295;trinque;asciilifeform: sounds like fee ttl is contemplated 1618527;1488063306;asciilifeform;trinque: ttl? 1618528;1488063316;trinque;i.e. every relayer gets nibble of fee 1618529;1488063329;trinque;that would balloon txn size though 1618530;1488063332;asciilifeform;no practical way, afaik, to do such a thing 1618531;1488063333;asciilifeform;aha 1618532;1488063337;asciilifeform;it is laughable 1618533;1488063355;asciilifeform;the only practical way to 'pay all users' is by burning some coin. 1618534;1488063408;mircea_popescu;that doesn't pay all users, it pays all holders. 1618535;1488063410;mircea_popescu;it's a rent. 1618536;1488063425;mircea_popescu;rent has been, historically, a poor dike against socialist tide. 1618537;1488063429;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: a block, just occupying its 1MB on my disk, costs something. 1618538;1488063469;mircea_popescu;btw, address proposal, if you missed it. 1618539;1488063501;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if 'a' can shit out tx, 'b' shoulders the cost, but unrelated 'c' is paid by a, you have socialistleak. 1618540;1488063542;mircea_popescu;this is true. 1618541;1488063544;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: answrd 1618542;1488063586;mircea_popescu;pong lel. 1618543;1488063612;asciilifeform;lul 1618544;1488063635;asciilifeform;might help if somebody did the chore, implemented mp's algo 1618545;1488063641;*;asciilifeform hands full 1618546;1488063652;mircea_popescu;i implemented it! 1618547;1488063671;asciilifeform;proper implement. eats file on stdin, hash out. 1618548;1488063735;mircea_popescu;yawell 1618549;1488064104;asciilifeform;possibly it makes more sense to think of the hypothetical 'god fee' as a ~punishment~ of tx-ignoring miners, rather than a payment to relayers. 1618550;1488064148;asciilifeform;punishments are beneficial, even if a beheading does not grow a corresponding new head on somebody else, or undo the crime which led to the sentence 1618551;1488064185;mircea_popescu;there's not that many empty blocks anyway 1618552;1488064249;asciilifeform;there ever being any, is a perversion 1618553;1488064257;asciilifeform;and i see some ~every day 1618554;1488064279;mircea_popescu;looky, a common strategy of students that are not in possession of the material is to resolve those problems they think they know how. 1618555;1488064286;asciilifeform;and for all i know, most tx are fake, generated by miner himself, or cartel 1618556;1488064299;asciilifeform;who dun give a shit about fees 1618557;1488064326;mircea_popescu;there isn't an administrative solution to the problem you perceive. if the "godfee" is low, it won't matter, and if it;s high it won't work. 1618558;1488064345;mircea_popescu;apparently you can't make the flock be good christians through tithe control. 1618559;1488064382;asciilifeform;the transition from zero-cost to positive epsilon -- matters 1618560;1488064405;asciilifeform;suddenly, spamola becomes very questionable proposition. 1618561;1488064418;mircea_popescu;this is not a factual descreiption. the transition from opportunity cost + 0 to opportunity cost + epsilon may matter, but so far neither record nor theory offer any convincing reason it would. 1618562;1488064443;asciilifeform;( today a miner can occupy as much of youts and my disk with shit tx, as he wants ) 1618563;1488064448;asciilifeform;*yours 1618564;1488064458;mircea_popescu;at the cost of the expensive space in mined blocks. yes. 1618565;1488064496;asciilifeform;not so expensive, apparently, if it sits vacant so regularly 1618566;1488064509;mircea_popescu;i don't see this "so regularly" 1618567;1488064552;asciilifeform;for instance -- any and all 0fee tx 1618568;1488064566;asciilifeform;are same, for this purpose, as nulls, neh 1618569;1488064587;danielpbarron;isn't the vacant block easier for you to validate? shouldn't you prefer most blocks to be vacant except when you have a transaction to send? 1618570;1488064589;mircea_popescu;block averages say 5 btc in fees, for about 1mb of space. average tx costs about 2 bux currently. 1618571;1488064603;asciilifeform;( can mircea_popescu or any other oldtimer even explain to me why 0fee ever existed?? ) 1618572;1488064607;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron if we use a fixed block width it will waste disk space. 1618573;1488064627;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. to get the system off the ground. i explained this before, im pretty sure. 1618574;1488064637;asciilifeform;hmm,ok 1618575;1488064646;asciilifeform;forced measure then. 1618576;1488064655;danielpbarron;how is that wasted space any more than other people's transactions are wasted space? 1618577;1488064656;mircea_popescu;if it were the case you had to pay 2 bux to transact in 2011, bitcoin'd have never exiosted 1618578;1488064671;asciilifeform;but why there are 0fees mined ~today~, is beyond me 1618579;1488064676;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron that part wasn't much explained. all mining is technically wasted space for the node, not like they get money for it. 1618580;1488064685;asciilifeform;^^ 1618581;1488064699;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because the bitcoin network bandwith far exceeds the ACTUAL transaction needs of the civilised world. 1618582;1488064706;mircea_popescu;contrary to expectations of random orcs. 1618583;1488064743;asciilifeform;node -- bleeds and bleeds. and -- turns out -- operating proper nodes, ain't cheap, esp. with bitcoin's retarded non-O(1) verification, with the db idiocy 1618584;1488064770;mircea_popescu;myah 1618585;1488064836;mircea_popescu;anyway, to get back to the wallet : i would fucking love to see a mpfhf collision on 513 byte input. 1618586;1488064836;danielpbarron;but to have the ability to send/recieve transactions there is the assumption that the space will be wasted -- user takes on the cost of buying a tool in order to use the skill 1618587;1488064902;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron the analogy doesn't hold. currently the tool gives miners cake while nodes pay for the electricity. there's some people cheering on the sides, which i suppose makes the nodes all warm inside ? 1618588;1488064906;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it ain't 'a cost', like buying a hammer, it's a monotonically-increasing bleed 1618589;1488064956;mircea_popescu;basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox. 1618590;1488064958;danielpbarron;a re-occurring cost? like having to replace tools as they wear? 1618591;1488064981;asciilifeform;(ssd ain't cheap, and its price is ~rising~, don't take my word for it, go and see) 1618592;1488065035;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu nails it. 1618593;1488065089;asciilifeform;miners get one hell of a free ride, while node operators get such a thick shaft, that there are -- contrary to appearances - virtually none left. 1618594;1488065159;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1618595;1488065244;*;asciilifeform bbl; meat. 1618596;1488065824;danielpbarron;without any consensus changes, you could put up a node that will only relay transactions which send a fee to itself. user A wants to send transaction X so makes a few versions of it (doublespends) each sending to same place but giving relay fee to whichever node takes it. whoever gets it to a miner first gets the fee 1618597;1488065990;mircea_popescu;you could, in theory. 1618598;1488066377;danielpbarron;those nodes could even give part of the fee to another node for further paid relaying, by giving with the original transaction along with another one that spends the not-yet confirmed fee (not allowed! i know, but in this case maybe it helps more than it hurts) 1618599;1488066547;mircea_popescu;that's what trinque meant by ttl above 1618600;1488066598;danielpbarron;ah, missed that 1618601;1488067535;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: O(n^2) -- with orphanages etc. - tx verification-- suxx. 1618602;1488067559;asciilifeform;antecedents-in-existing-block or bust. 1618603;1488067581;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-bulb-that-was/ << Trilema - The story of the bulb that was 1618604;1488067858;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 << was spot on 1618605;1488067858;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox. 1618606;1488067877;asciilifeform;and 'nodes charge' probably isn't practical 1618607;1488067883;asciilifeform;easy to undercut 1618608;1488067965;asciilifeform; 'race to the bottom' 1618609;1488069499;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1618610;1488069517;mircea_popescu;that's the deep lesson in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618597 1618611;1488069517;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:39 mircea_popescu: you could, in theory. 1618612;1488069531;mircea_popescu;provisioning nodes on the basis of "the minimum number needed" is insanity. 1618613;1488071358;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCB341DDDEF343017F32DED678F07753D22B62F19B274955AC2AD739FC55E6D2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.185.178.65 (ssh-rsa key from 82.185.178.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host65-178-static.185-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1618614;1488071358;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5531B421CF54E13A5413500A2CAA7EC23E3D2267C57196B08C217AC2A4EF4B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.86.29.254 (ssh-rsa key from 62.86.29.254 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host254-29-static.86-62-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1618615;1488071358;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/575A15CF2DA998E5E78663389111EFA3BF1F80A47EEB005ED795EA946D20253F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.47.20.107 (ssh-rsa key from 85.47.20.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host107-20-static.47-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1618616;1488071358;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7EE9D7418360EBF5222D566B0A5B811023AC29616EBC02A9EE52BDB5A00038A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '2.116.209.1 (ssh-rsa key from 2.116.209.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host1-209-static.116-2-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1618617;1488071358;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A558B10A1CCC09194358E0502CAFA4415F57F1944DD9FE618E2A2E2D29EFAC0F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.177 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host177-196-static.57-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1618618;1488071359;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24698AD72475BB28F25AD63CC626A01EC41AF82BC51BC4CB8118FC5B15BDF42E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.179 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host179-196-static.57-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1618619;1488071359;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCB341DDDEF343017F32DED678F07753D22B62F19B274955AC2AD739FC55E6D2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9692...0219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.185.178.65 (ssh-rsa key from 82.185.178.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. 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It is important for the submitter to follow all local, state and federal laws while obtaining video or other media for submission.' << snoar 1618644;1488126272;mircea_popescu;myeah 1618645;1488126447;mircea_popescu;also, apparently trump will not invite un security council to wh gagglemeets either. nor the correspondents dinner. 1618646;1488127642;mircea_popescu;and in other holy shit 8chan, petslut.com! https://media.8ch.net/zoo/src/1414820994001.webm 1618647;1488131088;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616415 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577072 1618648;1488131088;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 22:51 asciilifeform: phf's logger swallows without burping 1618649;1488131088;a111;Logged on 2016-12-03 01:35 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549612 << so normal action is ^AACTION ... ^A, turns that when the line is too long it gets cut off (which is normal behavior) but in case of action none of client seem to do the regular split, meanwhile the irc server cutsoff terminating ^A, which breaks most parsers (including mine) 1618650;1488131110;phf;since then fixed on btcbase 1618651;1488132095;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1618652;1488132100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : 1618653;1488132101;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000256.html 1618654;1488132106;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Blackhole Read Timings, and the Verdict. 1618655;1488132669;asciilifeform;in other lulz: https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/watershed-sha1-collision-just-broke-the-webkit-repository-others-may-follow 1618656;1488132677;asciilifeform;'Thursday's watershed attack on the widely used SHA1 hashing function has claimed its first casualty: the version control system used by the WebKit browser engine, which became completely corrupted after someone uploaded two proof-of-concept PDF files that have identical message digests.' 1618657;1488132704;asciilifeform;^ guess what the 'fix' was. 1618658;1488132715;asciilifeform;^ ... hardcoded check for the published example !! 1618659;1488132774;asciilifeform;in very other lulz, http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2017-February/031615.html ( https://archive.is/jLUGT ) << 'Bruce Schneier has recently published an impassioned plea for a United States Federal Internet Security Agency, which would likely gain control of civilian cryptography, among many other munitions.' 1618660;1488133350;asciilifeform;lol block 454862 , 91.61kB ! >> ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 11081ms; db write wait: 2402ms; db read wait: 597ms 1618661;1488135652;asciilifeform;in VERY other noose, 1618662;1488135653;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/nonblockverifying_blackhole.txt 1618663;1488135657;asciilifeform;behold! 1618664;1488135664;asciilifeform;finally caught this beast in the wild, in real time 1618665;1488135678;asciilifeform;a blackhole certifiably NOT connected with block verification. 1618666;1488135713;asciilifeform;we start with where 454862 was received, and (in record time, as it was tiny) accepted. 1618667;1488135743;asciilifeform;grep for 'received block' -- it does not appear again in this log. because we are blackholed OUTSIDE of the verification delays. 1618668;1488135786;asciilifeform;instead we see what appears to be a node simply pecked to death by queued-up getdata-for-block flood 1618669;1488135794;asciilifeform;(grep for 'received getdata for: block') 1618670;1488135878;asciilifeform;this is the mega-prize, folx, the blackhole that can carry on unabated for hours, days, weeks. 1618671;1488135909;asciilifeform;for as long as the enemy is able to keep up the 'gimme, gimme, gimme' flood of 'ahahaha, you're giving something to allcomers! well where's mine' 1618672;1488135997;asciilifeform;incidentally, rationing by ip is a nonstarter, notice that the requests come from a multitude of 'nodes'. 1618673;1488136231;mircea_popescu;"ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 167839ms; db write wait: 130117ms; db read wait: 21201ms" lelz 1618674;1488136470;asciilifeform;the 'type 2' (non-verification) blackhole goes right back to the fundamental question of 'something to all comers', how much disk thrashing does a derp get to invoke simply by coming up with a not-yet-banned ip and a pseudonode. 1618675;1488136623;mircea_popescu;so we're past http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617823 ? 1618676;1488136623;a111;Logged on 2017-02-24 22:24 asciilifeform: there are no substantial 'other large parts', detectably 1618677;1488136647;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was in re the verification blackhole (the most common type observed on dulap) 1618678;1488136661;mircea_popescu;ahem. 1618679;1488136664;asciilifeform;seems to consist ~entirely of db. 1618680;1488136671;mircea_popescu;the problem with prb is that it's run by a specific sort of retard. 1618681;1488136691;mircea_popescu;that specific sort of retard is specified as follows : "i heard about bitcoin yesterday, and i have a solution!". 1618682;1488136716;asciilifeform;sadly i have 0 solutions, only moar problemz 1618683;1488136729;mircea_popescu;"i observed something on three blocks on one machine and here's the 100% conclusion ; tune in tomorrow for another one that a) fails to reference how i was wrong yesterday or address why and b) offer another 100% plus measures to be taken" is entirely undistinguishable. 1618684;1488136777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you, using my patch or similar, determined that type1 (verification) blackhole consists of any substantial portion of something other than db wait -- i'm all ears 1618685;1488136802;mircea_popescu;you just said this ; yourself ; above. in discussing "type 1" you are engaging in pure nytimes-ism. 1618686;1488136810;mircea_popescu;where the FUCK was your "type 1" on the 24th ? 1618687;1488136815;asciilifeform;mno, we had a thread where i cut'em up into classes 1618688;1488136830;mircea_popescu;and this isn't the first time we run into the problem of ... let's call them sloppy run "experiments". but the second, this week. 1618689;1488136832;mircea_popescu;it IS a problem. 1618690;1488136838;mircea_popescu;link me to this thread ? 1618691;1488136857;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592898 1618692;1488136857;a111;Logged on 2016-12-29 23:20 asciilifeform: type2 ( pete_dushenski's ) is the garden variety shitflood. which is sometimes solved by ip ban, but only in the case of 'shrapnel addressed to occupant', i.e. idiot prb nodes wildly spamming crapolade, and not in the 'bullet with your name on it' case, where somebody actually has a sybil constellation drowning your trb node in liquishit, with no SINGLE ip misbehaving in any way 1618693;1488137019;mircea_popescu;we're discussing the discussion on the 24th. 1618694;1488137052;mircea_popescu;which can be briefly summarized as "alf : omg all blackhole is disk wait for db ; mp : thatr's a factor, there's more" repeated a dozen times. 1618695;1488137054;asciilifeform;and i will point out, none of my findings so far contradict mircea_popescu's original 'it sits and waits for the disk.' only question was, where. 1618696;1488137091;mircea_popescu;and i'll point out that the problem here isn't the work, or the thought, but the fucking packaging. you get overexcited and oversignal. it detracts from very valuable stuff. 1618697;1488137115;asciilifeform;all i got is a stopwatch. the idea is, mod6 et al can run same stopwatch, on other boxes, with other types of disk 1618698;1488137166;asciilifeform;i also have a test going where : 1618699;1488137167;asciilifeform; dbenv.set_cachesize(4, 0, 1); // 4GB of contiguous cache 1618700;1488137172;asciilifeform;but it had 0 measurable effect 1618701;1488137181;asciilifeform;and i did not bother to vpatchify it. 1618702;1488137192;mircea_popescu;now then : a fix for the db would significantly improve a few classes of block verification delays ; and it would alleviate blackhole-like behaviour due to that, node's frozen checking a new block. there's at least 3 different dos vectors for other nodes, and a) the foregoing wouldn't help ; b) if it helped the enemy could easily upregulate the crapflood to compensate. 1618703;1488137210;asciilifeform;(b) is where i ended up earlier. 1618704;1488137216;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1618705;1488137255;mircea_popescu;the other problem is that a good db fix is a very large project, because bitcoin is written insanely. and our fs db isn't moving, last i heard a month ago someone was going to try and profile an extx 1618706;1488137284;asciilifeform;i suspect fs-as-db will have same problem as the ancient shitdb 1618707;1488137291;asciilifeform;it doesn't aggregate accesses 1618708;1488137296;asciilifeform;nor has any means for bolting on such a thing 1618709;1488137301;mircea_popescu;it doesn't ? 1618710;1488137303;asciilifeform;nope. 1618711;1488137309;mircea_popescu;i thought modern raid controllers did 1618712;1488137315;asciilifeform;a good raid card will aggregate BLOCK accesses 1618713;1488137320;asciilifeform;but it has nfi re files ! 1618714;1488137325;mircea_popescu;yes, but we do file=blocks 1618715;1488137334;mircea_popescu;i thought that was the idea anyway 1618716;1488137342;asciilifeform;that only takes care of block fetches 1618717;1488137347;asciilifeform;but not tx indices 1618718;1488137362;mircea_popescu;there is that. perhaps a better indexing scheme could be had. hence the fucking symlinks 1618719;1488137456;asciilifeform;symlink gets you a file containing desired block, but there is no way on any unix fs that i know of, to symlink to ~an offset inside a file~ 1618720;1488137472;mircea_popescu;but your file = block (in the fs sense) = block (in bitcoin sense) 1618721;1488137479;mircea_popescu;we will have 1mb blocks on the filesystem. 1618722;1488137508;asciilifeform;so this'd be a new fs. 1618723;1488137515;asciilifeform;(a trb-i item ) 1618724;1488137519;mircea_popescu;no, it'll be a mildly configured ext4 i guess 1618725;1488137522;mircea_popescu;with blocks set to 1mb 1618726;1488137554;mircea_popescu;but i have nfi whether this is even feasible, because this'd be step 2, after the "hey, what happens if you fill a disk with symlinks" EXPERIMENT returns some fucking results. 1618727;1488137589;asciilifeform;has anyone began to do this ? 1618728;1488137602;mircea_popescu;i dunno. coupla people sorta-promised to sorta-try. 1618729;1488137658;mircea_popescu;but the reason it's mired in "first, experiment, profile" is because this is EXACTLY the sort of thing which should theoretically work out of the box on a modern nix, and ABSOLUTELY never does, at all. central lizard fodder. 1618730;1488137684;mircea_popescu;you know, like linking. 1618731;1488137744;asciilifeform;general-purpose fs is likely to be extremely wasteful of space, because it carries the assumption of rewritability 1618732;1488137755;asciilifeform;something that bitcoin has very little use for 1618733;1488137769;mircea_popescu;if it works on ext4 it can be implemented on fucking tape. 1618734;1488137781;asciilifeform;how do you randomaccessfully fetch blocks from tape ? 1618735;1488137808;mircea_popescu;there is that. i'm just saying, you can have nonrewritable media, whatevs. 1618736;1488137825;asciilifeform;bitcoin as we have it, is almost the antithesis of 'tape problem', the ultimate in random access, to the point that it makes disk cache ~useless, every tx can depend on literally any block from 0 to current 1618737;1488137847;mircea_popescu;yes, but blocks once written don't change. that's the non-rewritable part. 1618738;1488137850;asciilifeform;aha 1618739;1488137864;asciilifeform;(blocks really oughta live in antifuse rom. we had a thread..) 1618740;1488137881;mircea_popescu;and there's actually some benefit for the network not even physically being capable to accept reorgs deeper than x. 1618741;1488137894;asciilifeform;iirc we also had this thread 1618742;1488137898;mircea_popescu;yea. 1618743;1488137955;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585884 << possibly this 1618744;1488137955;a111;Logged on 2016-12-19 18:18 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if martians produce longest chain with greatest difficulty i think by the rules of the game they own bitcoin 1618745;1488138040;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between extension and reorg, however. 1618746;1488138079;mircea_popescu;one's like "you were in a coma for the past thirty years, here's what happened that you don't remember" ; the other's like "you had a hallucinatory episode, your history for the past x period is bad and you'll have to rewrite it". 1618747;1488138116;asciilifeform;extensions work entirely fine on otp rom 1618748;1488138156;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's the longest reorg you've personally observed, to date ? 1618749;1488138186;asciilifeform;i have this notion, that there was a massive one some time before i tuned in. 1618750;1488138186;mircea_popescu;the one during the original split with the idiots who were there baptised as power rangers 1618751;1488138194;mircea_popescu;60ish or so deep if i recall. 1618752;1488138208;mircea_popescu;!#s "power rangers" 1618753;1488138208;a111;155 results for "\"power rangers\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22power%20rangers%22 1618754;1488138271;asciilifeform;was this the one where everybody used same buggy client nonsense ? 1618755;1488138311;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-05-13#28327 << exciting times. 1618756;1488138311;a111;Logged on 2013-05-13 22:39 mircea_popescu: it's screwed wtf. 1618757;1488138342;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, this is the one where the idiot miners "updated" and then the update failed and then usgavin gave them some of the bitcoin usg stole to compensate for the lost mining. 1618758;1488138354;asciilifeform;aah 1618759;1488138479;mircea_popescu;and then the usual usgtards were all over "oh, wow, you broke it and then you were "right on it and omg fixed it you're like power rangers" and so... 1618760;1488138591;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm << the actual event, march 11th 1618761;1488138761;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit that i keep coming back to in my head, is that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-26#1618702 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-26#1618674 add up to a fundamental boojum, that is not a matter of simply 'make a faster db, buy a faster disk' 1618762;1488138761;a111;Logged on 2017-02-26 19:26 mircea_popescu: now then : a fix for the db would significantly improve a few classes of block verification delays ; and it would alleviate blackhole-like behaviour due to that, node's frozen checking a new block. there's at least 3 different dos vectors for other nodes, and a) the foregoing wouldn't help ; b) if it helped the enemy could easily upregulate the crapflood to compensate. 1618763;1488138761;a111;Logged on 2017-02-26 19:14 asciilifeform: the 'type 2' (non-verification) blackhole goes right back to the fundamental question of 'something to all comers', how much disk thrashing does a derp get to invoke simply by coming up with a not-yet-banned ip and a pseudonode. 1618764;1488138807;mircea_popescu;we aren't actually following a purpose here, like "have a good bitcoin". we're merely proceeding from cause : db is broken and THEREFORE must be fixed. not BECAUSE it would bla bla ; but therefore. 1618765;1488138818;asciilifeform;certainly is broken. 1618766;1488138848;asciilifeform;however a node that can be brought to its knees by randos, regardless of how, is also likewise broken design. 1618767;1488138888;mircea_popescu;in this sense your house is broken design, randos could tp it every hour. 1618768;1488138926;asciilifeform;my house is a poor example, i suspect that squirrels could tip it. 1618769;1488138935;mircea_popescu;you live in it dont you ? 1618770;1488138939;asciilifeform;sorta. 1618771;1488138944;mircea_popescu;well then. 1618772;1488139093;asciilifeform;very concretely: all enemy has to do, to gum up a trb node, is to repeatedly request blocks from 0 .. current, randomly, and switch ips as needed 1618773;1488139110;mircea_popescu;if the node allows non-ssh-tunnel access. 1618774;1488139113;asciilifeform;correct. 1618775;1488139123;mircea_popescu;which is something the operator can decide for self. 1618776;1488139131;asciilifeform;'decide' 1618777;1488139138;mircea_popescu;what ? 1618778;1488139141;asciilifeform;i could cut off public ip access right now -- and never see a block again. 1618779;1488139157;mircea_popescu;depends, anyone talking through your ssh pipes yet ? 1618780;1488139160;asciilifeform;no takers. 1618781;1488139168;mircea_popescu;so give it some time, it just got released like two days ago 1618782;1488139177;asciilifeform;so far it's dulap <--> zoolag. 1618783;1488139196;mircea_popescu;patience my dear alf. 1618784;1488139243;asciilifeform;let's picture that whole deedbot l1 subscribes. the folx who run public/exposed node, so as to soak up blocks from heathen miners -- will be the ones to blackhole. 1618785;1488139251;asciilifeform;leading to very similar picture as today's. 1618786;1488139514;asciilifeform;if mining were not an intrinsically heathen activity, 'closed network' would solve the 'allcomers' problem. but as i currently understand, it'd simply ~move~ it. 1618787;1488139695;jurov;asciilifeform: have you tried to merely neuter fsync? 1618788;1488139752;asciilifeform;jurov: elaborate plox 1618789;1488139817;jurov;fsync waits on data to be written to disk. and with all modern filesystems, this means flushing all kinds of metadata. too 1618790;1488139885;asciilifeform;the journal? 1618791;1488139893;asciilifeform;why would i want to turn off the journal ? 1618792;1488139898;asciilifeform;may as well run the entire node from ramdisk 1618793;1488139935;jurov;fsync is only remotely related to journal 1618794;1488139967;asciilifeform;also flushes write cache , neh 1618795;1488139980;asciilifeform;just what i need, in my node!11!!!! random corruption. 1618796;1488139994;jurov;random corruption happens only if power is yanked 1618797;1488140000;asciilifeform;which it WILL BE 1618798;1488140004;asciilifeform;omfg this is elementary. 1618799;1488140021;asciilifeform;i'm not willingly building another phuctor-1.0, nothx. 1618800;1488140092;jurov;you can stop the daemon every day, call sync and backup the db, and start it. max 24hrs of work lost. 1618801;1488140100;asciilifeform;FUCK that. 1618802;1488140127;asciilifeform;the thread today where mircea_popescu sees something with even the superficial silhouette of a cheap prbistic hack, and barf mightily, taught you nothing, jurov ? 1618803;1488140200;jurov;using spinning rust is not a cheap hack? 1618804;1488140219;asciilifeform;spinning rust is the baseline. 1618805;1488140227;asciilifeform;it is definitionally not 'a hack'. 1618806;1488140347;asciilifeform;nonsense like 'let's flush write cache once in a blue moon instead of normally', 'let's let the db corrupt and SURE I PROMISE WE CAN RECOVER' is what winblowz world is built from. 1618807;1488140393;asciilifeform;and also is how you get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 1618808;1488140393;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron) 1618809;1488140434;asciilifeform;( does jurov volunteer to buy the double, triple, quadruple sets of disk, for all of my nodes, for these backups ? and what is the node to do while copying over a db ? say 'sorry , we're closed ' ? ) 1618810;1488140645;jurov;You run some service that needs five-nines availability? I'm fine with some of my nodes being down for few minutes to have known-good state backed up. 1618811;1488140671;asciilifeform;copying 400GB takes 'few minutes' on jurov's disk ? where can i buy one ? 1618812;1488140685;jurov;ebay? 1618813;1488140699;asciilifeform;link to the GB/sec disk plox ? 1618814;1488140766;jurov;what 400 GB? who said you have to copy whole blockchain every time? 1618815;1488140811;asciilifeform;if the entire fs is subject to random rot, as it would be without synced writes, then yes. 1618816;1488140815;asciilifeform;entire .bitcoin dir. 1618817;1488140826;asciilifeform;because random rot is NOT acceptable omfg why is this hard. 1618818;1488140871;jurov;"entire fs is subject to random rot if my app won't checkpoint its files by calling fsync all the time" is NOT true. where did you get such silly notion? 1618819;1488140899;asciilifeform;well not entire fs, but every file touched by trb 1618820;1488140902;asciilifeform;which includes the blocks. 1618821;1488140909;asciilifeform;and the indices. 1618822;1488140920;asciilifeform;(and, on a hotwallet box, if you have one -- the wallet.) 1618823;1488140961;jurov;waitwhat, it *writes* to old blk_... files? 1618824;1488140985;asciilifeform;jurov: depends what you mean by 'old'. 1618825;1488140990;asciilifeform;reorgs are a thing, neh. 1618826;1488141038;jurov;if enemy can reorg half of your blk_files, some sync latency os least of your problems 1618827;1488141043;asciilifeform;and how do you propose to guarantee detection of corruption in the tx indices ? 1618828;1488141044;jurov;*is least 1618829;1488141073;jurov;no detection. unclean shutdown -> restore backup 1618830;1488141118;asciilifeform;what if block files are not in perfect sync with the backed-up index ? 1618831;1488141123;asciilifeform;e.g. 1 block longer. 1618832;1488141139;asciilifeform;now you need extra logic in trb per se, and this is no longer 'cheap perl hack'. 1618833;1488141144;asciilifeform;now it is ~expensive~ shit hack. 1618834;1488141162;mircea_popescu;there ~may~ be some optimizations that can be applied as-is to turn a jfs into something more appropriate for bitcoining than the "middle of the road" setting it ships with. 1618835;1488141222;jurov;Suppose i shutdown bitcoind and backup .bitcoin using rsync (so that all files with recent mtime are backed up).. you say this won't work? 1618836;1488141226;mircea_popescu;not necessarily in the sense of turning it off or altogether 1618837;1488141227;asciilifeform;jurov: the most sane variant of your proposal i can think of would be to run the entire tx index in memory. this is just barely practical on dulap, a massive box. and would mean multi-hour regeneration of the index on warmup. but is at least theoretically an improvement, in that it does not threaten to randomly lose bits. 1618838;1488141262;mircea_popescu;index-in-ram is actually how you run a large, infrastructural like node. 1618839;1488141346;mircea_popescu;jurov shutdown of node can readily take > 15 minutes ; and can't even be initiated if the node is, eg, in db lock because block eating. 1618840;1488141362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plz consider publishing your patch where you made this happen; it is not a trivial change 1618841;1488141410;asciilifeform;(re index-in-ram) 1618842;1488141479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't really do blockchain.info style "public support". i think i have the stuff somewhere, i'll have to dig for it. basically it's, blk* live on /sda ; blkindex.dat and friends live on /sdb which happens to be a ramdisk. 1618843;1488141513;mircea_popescu;the paths are hardcoded to .bitcoin/ in stock satoshib, not the end of the world to change them 1618844;1488141559;mircea_popescu;i will note that this is an expensive and unrewarding activity that i personally discontinued cca 2014. 1618845;1488142676;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as per yesterday's thread -- running node per se is 'expensive and unrewarding activity' aha! 1618846;1488142687;mircea_popescu;myeah 1618847;1488142716;mircea_popescu;no but i mean, a 30gb ramdisk node to support the general public's mistaken notions and unwarranted pretensions... meh. 1618848;1488142797;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what did you do with the index if power failed (or node -- crashed) or whatever disruption ? 1618849;1488142825;mircea_popescu;you rebuild it. 1618850;1488142840;mircea_popescu;this is why i say expensive, it's not a case of "random vps hur durr". 1618851;1488142847;mircea_popescu;it needs very specific complex things. 1618852;1488142871;asciilifeform;trb does not have a knob for 'reindex and make sure blkxxxx matches the index'. 1618853;1488142883;asciilifeform;that's what's in mircea_popescu's patch presumably. 1618854;1488142901;asciilifeform;so it isn't simply a matter of 'make a ramdisk', no. 1618855;1488142915;asciilifeform;(unless you're willing to live with random bitflippage, as jurov apparently is) 1618856;1488143151;asciilifeform;i suppose one way to rebuild the index using existing mainline trb would be to nuke the .bitcoin dir entirely, and refeed the node via 'eatblock'. 1618857;1488143165;asciilifeform;(and this is probably not measurably slower, in practice, than what mircea_popescu did) 1618858;1488143221;asciilifeform;expect a warmup time of 2-3 days... 1618859;1488143225;jurov;random bitfippage its purely your hallucination 1618860;1488143258;asciilifeform;jurov: people flush write caches purely from hallucination ? maybe i don't need a disk at all then ? 1618861;1488143328;asciilifeform;understand, if my proggy writes an x to disk, at some point, and then later i read a y, and y != x, this IS CORRUPTION 1618862;1488143362;asciilifeform;whatever you want to call it. it is not and will not be an invited guest anywhere i am answerable for. 1618863;1488143387;asciilifeform;if jurov wants to run his node off ramdisk -- more power to him. but don't try to spin the resulting bitrot as 'hallucination'. 1618864;1488143392;jurov;but this will happen if, and only if, power is cut. if i sync once per day and backup the x, the backup will keep the x forever 1618865;1488143405;asciilifeform;and if power is cut during backup ? 1618866;1488143462;jurov;this is unsolvable problem? 1618867;1488143480;asciilifeform;it very much is. 1618868;1488143486;jurov;i said i do sync, then backup 1618869;1488143494;asciilifeform;especially when it becomes known that your box fails catastrophically on power loss. 1618870;1488143495;jurov;this means x is safely on disk 1618871;1488143518;asciilifeform;and i'm still waiting for an answer, what is the node to do during backup and during restore of same ? 1618872;1488143523;asciilifeform;sit like a brick ? 1618873;1488143548;jurov;i'll use another node. or you're supposed to have a precious one and only one? 1618874;1488143570;jurov;yes, it will sit as a brick and i'm fine with it. 1618875;1488143580;asciilifeform;so now jurov invites me to see a node with double-digit % of down time as something acceptable ? 1618876;1488143641;jurov;i'm still waiting for explanation how did you came to double digit downtimes. 1618877;1488143646;asciilifeform;say i can finally buy jurov's magical disk, where backup AND restore of 30GB (that's just the tx index) takes only 1 hr. 1618878;1488143657;asciilifeform;so now if i need 24/7 access to the network, i gotta keep... 24 nodes 1618879;1488143665;asciilifeform;each with different scheduled hour of downtime. 1618880;1488143693;asciilifeform;jurov: it can't run during backup. or during restore. so -- downtime. 1618881;1488143747;jurov;you mean your disks are capable only 350kB/s read rate? 1618882;1488143756;jurov;er. read write 1618883;1488143804;asciilifeform;if i'm backing up across the net -- then yes, pretty close to that 1618884;1488143820;asciilifeform;but take limit of t-->infinity. today it is 30GB, next year - 100 1618885;1488143825;asciilifeform;in n years - 1TB 1618886;1488143828;asciilifeform;also daily backup then ? 1618887;1488143842;asciilifeform;or what, martians will land by then, and give us for free 1TB/sec 1PB disks ? 1618888;1488143848;asciilifeform;like gavin pronounced ? 1618889;1488143858;jurov;if enemy can cause 1TB of incrememntal data daily, then we failed miserably 1618890;1488143865;asciilifeform;yearly, jurov 1618891;1488143878;jurov;lolwut 1618892;1488143890;asciilifeform;the tx index ain't ever getting ~smaller~. 1618893;1488143933;asciilifeform;eventually - and in probably not very long time -- it will exceed what your box can copy over and back in one day. 1618894;1488143945;asciilifeform;then what will jurov say -- 'oh, no prob, just sync weekly' ??!@ 1618895;1488143953;jurov;and can trb live with terabyte tx index at all? 1618896;1488143984;asciilifeform;jurov: this is an open question. for all i know, bdb will reach some idiot hardcoded limit long before this. 1618897;1488143996;asciilifeform;but i have zero interest in designing a bdb-like abortion. for any purpose. 1618898;1488144063;asciilifeform;i already once built a system where the reward for enemy for unplugging seeped into days, weeks, then months of lost cpu time. until the unplugging became an inevitable thing. never again. 1618899;1488144188;jurov;looky, i am just saying that right now it eats, say, a minute per block, which is 144 minute unreachability daily anyway. and am proposing short term tradeoff of having the unreachability shorted once per day. 1618900;1488144196;jurov;i don't get why that bothers you so much 1618901;1488144213;jurov;*shorter once per day 1618902;1488144243;asciilifeform;because reliance on duct tape . 1618903;1488144299;asciilifeform;it is the kind of thinking that gave us prb. as mircea_popescu described earlier today. 1618904;1488146782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes trb does reindex. 1618905;1488146885;mircea_popescu;anyway, no the ramdisk thing doesn't work indefinitely, soon enough the block index will exceed the commodously available ram 1618906;1488150731;jurov;asciilifeform et al.: @ -> ' at ' mailinglist mangling fixed (it was only HTML output, nothing else was mangled) 1618907;1488150738;asciilifeform;neato, ty jurov 1618908;1488150985;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-26#1618699 >> possibly not wholly useless: >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/g97IR/?raw=true 1618909;1488150985;a111;Logged on 2017-02-26 19:26 asciilifeform: dbenv.set_cachesize(4, 0, 1); // 4GB of contiguous cache 1618910;1488151112;asciilifeform;^ very puzzling result, and now finally similar to mircea_popescu's 'disk and Other Factors' 1618911;1488151231;asciilifeform;it appeared to have 0 effect, but after cache had a chance to fill -- now this. 1618912;1488151449;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1618913;1488151492;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 40-80 secs. verifications are still 15x slower than on zoolag (ssd box). i wonder, possibly , if the remaining delay still consists of disk -- but of block fetches, rather than tx index. 1618914;1488151543;mircea_popescu;certainly a possibility. 1618915;1488151564;mircea_popescu;this needs to run over many, as in thousands, of blocks. 1618916;1488151588;asciilifeform;it is running on dulap, and will run there until further notice. 1618917;1488151604;asciilifeform;will be interesting to see if this abolishes '30min blox' 1618918;1488151757;asciilifeform;( i would try a larger cache, but 4GB is the idiot hardcoded max in bdb , they used a 32bit width ) 1618919;1488151860;mircea_popescu;aha. 1618920;1488151865;mircea_popescu;no way out of it, can't allocate more. 1618921;1488151896;asciilifeform;64bit linuxen on x64 will happily allocate moar. it is bdb that is retarded. 1618922;1488151920;mircea_popescu;well it's a 32 bit item 1618923;1488151926;asciilifeform;aha 1618924;1488153359;mircea_popescu;and in today's useless-website-of-the-week, https://www.bitrated.com/explore 1618925;1488153447;asciilifeform;'Most reputable users' 'coblee350 Director of Engineering at Coinbase, Litecoin' 1618926;1488153447;asciilifeform;lel 1618927;1488153474;asciilifeform;and wtf is a 'trust agent' 1618928;1488153479;asciilifeform;which he is also 'top' of. 1618929;1488153485;mircea_popescu;it's been dead for about a year or so, but anyway, "oh i know, i'll make yet another fake wot website. because i'm a jew and we're fucking stupid congenitally." or some shit. 1618930;1488153514;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's better because no pgp see. 1618931;1488153517;asciilifeform;this gotta be the 'special-needs' corps of the zog 1618932;1488153556;mircea_popescu;some "nadav ivgi" ytard 1618933;1488153576;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's an old time bitcoin scammer that keeps pushing these 1618934;1488153580;mircea_popescu;!#s rosenfeld 1618935;1488153581;a111;42 results for "rosenfeld", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rosenfeld 1618936;1488153606;mircea_popescu;keeps getting idiot kids involved in stupid shit. 1618937;1488153627;asciilifeform;what else to do, the original lure of vacuuming up coin is , i picture, ~gone by now 1618938;1488153631;asciilifeform;so now vacuum people. 1618939;1488153646;asciilifeform;or at the very least 'harmless heatsink' in the off chance people appear. 1618940;1488153713;mircea_popescu;i think it's more in the vein of out and out pederasty. 1618941;1488153845;asciilifeform;as, with actual buggery..? 1618942;1488153994;shinohai;https://www.ethnews.com/sha-1-may-be-broken-but-ethereum-is-still-secure <<< Priceless 1618943;1488154453;mircea_popescu;well, not really actual anything, that'd take actual existence. more in the vein of http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#selection-265.0-265 1618944;1488154612;shinohai;I adore that particular Trilema article 1618945;1488154667;mircea_popescu;ha! 1618946;1488154710;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1618947;1488154715;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1179.25, vol: 3533.22164439 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1143.503, vol: 3586.19637 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1181.9, vol: 11069.20358791 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1113.113456, vol: 6642.25280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1166.508, vol: 1738.27238522 | Volume-weighted last average: 1158.16136332 1618948;1488154735;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/actor-n-bishop/ 1618949;1488154754;shinohai;And yes, they are all dancing in the street for nickels now their meme coin is basically no moar 1618950;1488154826;asciilifeform;i'dvethunk they'dve been danced out by nao 1618951;1488154860;mircea_popescu;speaking of, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLVuLkt1JCY 1618952;1488154869;shinohai;Nah they are knitting dogecoin socks for themselves (the homeless) on their sub now 1618953;1488154878;shinohai;To dance in! 1618954;1488156052;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper 1618955;1488156052;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1618956;1488160217;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform saw a turkish film about the cats of istanbul 1618957;1488160229;asciilifeform;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4420704 1618958;1488160269;asciilifeform;possibly best thing i ever saw in a cinema. 1618959;1488160937;trinque;PSA that as of now I cannot access the box hosting deedbot via SSH. 1618960;1488160953;trinque;I'm checking in with the host 1618961;1488161240;trinque;looks like my daily backups stopped last night (via ssh tunnel) 1618962;1488161447;asciilifeform;ugh 1618963;1488161470;asciilifeform;trinque: do they have remote-kvm ? 1618964;1488161498;trinque;sure do 1618965;1488161505;trinque;I'm obviously going to tell them *not* to reboot 1618966;1488161946;trinque;wot.deedbot.org is also down 1618967;1488161953;trinque;which is on the same box. 1618968;1488161976;trinque;possible the host fucked up inbound routing 1618969;1488161984;trinque;fail2ban would not have done anything to port 80 1618970;1488162000;trinque;(nor would it have nixed 22 from multiple sources, but anyway) 1618971;1488162153;trinque;host already emailed me back; they're superb 1618972;1488162159;trinque;"joes datacenter" 1618973;1488163829;ben_vulpes;!!reputation trinque 1618974;1488163844;ben_vulpes;*facepalm* 1618975;1488163846;trinque;well the bot's gone; how would that work 1618976;1488163850;ben_vulpes;didn't see the final part 1618977;1488163868;trinque;I'm into the box; give me a while to actually figure out what happened 1618978;1488163868;ben_vulpes;join, part, /me thinks cool! 1618979;1488163873;ben_vulpes;nah, no rush 1618980;1488163923;trinque;there's a lot of weirdo shit in the routing table right now 1618981;1488163930;ben_vulpes;i'll just keep mashing buttons not hooked up to anything, like an ape 1618982;1488164241;trinque;they're attached again. 1618983;1488164304;trinque;ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VcIWx/?raw=true << behold the wtf 1618984;1488164594;trinque;almost looks like a pf bug really 1618985;1488164604;trinque;same routing table upon reboot, so I guess it's normal for their network 1618986;1488164629;trinque;same pf.conf as before reboot, works nao 1618987;1488164675;trinque;no weird connections or anything (not that anybody competent would leave those to find) 1618988;1488166031;trinque;eh the test.test.local was just me leaving turds in /etc/hosts 1618989;1488166040;trinque;so routing table's entirely normal 1618990;1488166057;trinque;I have no idea, really, which is always the worst answer 1618991;1488166971;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000256.html << interesting alf, thanks for posting. 1618992;1488176329;ben_vulpes;since it's quiet: http://archive.is/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-23/saudi-arabia-2-trillion-aramco-vision-runs-into-market-reality 1618993;1488177727;trinque;bizarre. "no, we really don't think this company which extracts what ~everything runs on~ is as valuable as ... pick your non-essential toy company" 1618994;1488177764;trinque;we might lose computers but we'll be extracting and burning oil until we're dead 1618995;1488177824;ben_vulpes;can saudi arabia not buy russia? 1618996;1488177840;phf;i couldn't get past title. "ten tricks international oil conglomerates that run everything hate" 1618997;1488178258;ben_vulpes;valuing reserves sounds a lot like "multivariate calculus for experts" 1618998;1488193242;BingoBoingo;lol 1618999;1488193248;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1619000;1488193267;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1181.91, vol: 3741.73431050 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1165.0, vol: 4531.80209 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1183.0, vol: 10287.21329017 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1182.0, vol: 1900.47549958 | Volume-weighted last average: 1178.7211065 1619001;1488196327;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1618983 << it must be a bit of an ego boost when one's like... shown things, on a service which has their name in the url lel. 1619002;1488196327;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 02:58 trinque: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VcIWx/?raw=true << behold the wtf 1619003;1488196773;mircea_popescu;trinque if it helps, the last that i see on the path to you is 38.104.87.131 (joe's datacenter). 104.192.170.197 is also allocated to them. 138.107.206.73 however does not, it's "olympus corporation" of kiminobu eto, takuro watabe & toru yamaki whatever japanese company. why's that in there. 1619004;1488196886;mircea_popescu;actually... the local branch of olympus, the lens makers. 1619005;1488196921;mircea_popescu;"As you may be aware, Olympus Corporation of the Americas (OCA) recently entered into civil, criminal, and administrative settlements with the United States in connection with the sales and marketing of certain OCA products. This letter provides you with additional information about the settlements, explains OCA’s commitments going forward, and provides you with access to information about those commitments." 1619006;1488196929;mircea_popescu;i wasn't aware, but hey. 1619007;1488197449;mircea_popescu;dude, they fucking gutted them. olympus agreed to pay the usg ~70 billion yen in fines, and install obama's children as an "independent outside monitor". whole corp market cap being you know, 1.3trn or some shit. who the fuck pays 5% of the market cap as a fine already, what is this, Совет Экономической Взаимопомощи ? 1619008;1488197530;mircea_popescu;http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N1FU2BY?type=companyNews << and, obviously, their interlocking bank is ditching them. 1619009;1488198608;mircea_popescu;(story there was, olympus "hired" aka finally accepted its first foreign devil ceo (michael woodford) in 2011 ; and fired him two weeks later as the dude was principally dedicated to the job of, how can we finance usg out of this japanese corp. the usg however didn't go home, but started "legal proceedings", which eventually resulted in the above theft, plus whatever office supplies woodford managed to take home. apparently 6 1619010;1488198608;mircea_popescu;0mn worth of magic markers is a little much even for japan.) 1619011;1488201494;mircea_popescu;and in other brown-shirts-with-gray-trim news, https://qz.com/919678/srinivas-kuchibhotla-muder-the-infuriating-silence-of-donald-trump-over-an-indian-engineers-murder-in-kansas/ 1619012;1488202496;mircea_popescu;https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/ap_17058207841866-e1488176685278.jpg << holy shit look at that, every single one of them IS FUCKING FAT omfg wtf. 1619013;1488202548;mircea_popescu;why the fuck is holywood half-black and all fatty, and how the fuck does it expect to hang on to any kind of relevancy in this manner ? bollywood has better women. 1619014;1488205144;shinohai;Diversity! 1619015;1488205959;mircea_popescu;what fucking diversity, they're all the same cow. 1619016;1488205996;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619011 << front page story in indian newspapers for past three days 1619017;1488205996;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 13:18 mircea_popescu: and in other brown-shirts-with-gray-trim news, https://qz.com/919678/srinivas-kuchibhotla-muder-the-infuriating-silence-of-donald-trump-over-an-indian-engineers-murder-in-kansas/ 1619018;1488205997;mircea_popescu;"this is what subhuman females look like in their natural habitat, the jungle". wtf, europe went to congo to fix this, not to normalize it. 1619019;1488206011;mircea_popescu;phf i am not surprised, it's pretty jarring as far as these get. 1619020;1488207153;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache.txt << the cache thing, to current time 1619021;1488207341;mircea_popescu;seems the db write/read wait counts for ~20% of total time ? 1619022;1488207455;asciilifeform;often much less, when we have the 4GB cache 1619023;1488207483;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit is that i do not have 2 identical boxes to run the cache/no-cache variant on, in parallel 1619024;1488207491;asciilifeform;perhaps somebody can be arsed 1619025;1488207506;mircea_popescu;what'd it establish, wehther the cache helps ? it certainly does. 1619026;1488207521;asciilifeform;it isn't clear to me, that it does. the typical verification time is ~same 1619027;1488207523;mircea_popescu;finding what makes the remainder, however, very valuable. 1619028;1488207539;mircea_popescu;because then we could compare something meaningful : the relative compositions of the non-cache waste. 1619029;1488207595;asciilifeform;gprof is the divinely ordained proper way to do this. however will need a bad old dynamic linking build. so will take some work. 1619030;1488207675;asciilifeform;however the one solid clue i have so far is 'disk' -- on the ssd box, a block packed to the bursting point with liquishit, takes ~15 seconds to verify. max. 1619031;1488207679;mircea_popescu;yes 1619032;1488207708;asciilifeform;(i really oughta say 'verify and save', rather than verify) 1619033;1488207772;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619009 << i'd much like to hear the details of this, if they exist somewhere. because the Official version makes 0 sense 1619034;1488207772;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 12:30 mircea_popescu: (story there was, olympus "hired" aka finally accepted its first foreign devil ceo (michael woodford) in 2011 ; and fired him two weeks later as the dude was principally dedicated to the job of, how can we finance usg out of this japanese corp. the usg however didn't go home, but started "legal proceedings", which eventually resulted in the above theft, plus whatever office supplies woodford managed to take home. apparently 6 1619035;1488207795;asciilifeform;( how did the d00d siphon moneys to usg ? how was this later turned into 'whistleblow' ? ) 1619036;1488207804;mircea_popescu;they don't really exist, unless you're a part of the japanese national wot, which... 1619037;1488207814;asciilifeform;as i expected 1619038;1488207880;asciilifeform;fwiw 138.107.206.73 does not appear to be a btc node 1619039;1488207888;mircea_popescu;there is, of course, http://cache.olympusamerica.com/static/msg_section/documents/2016/Anti-Kickback-Statute---OCA-Deferred-Prosecution-Agreement---Fully-Executed.pdf 1619040;1488207906;asciilifeform;( or to have been one any time in past year ) 1619041;1488207914;mircea_popescu;which is the substantiation for the 70bn yet figure i quoted. 1619042;1488208367;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/clockwise/ << Trilema - Clockwise 1619043;1488210097;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that 'agreement' is brain-melting 1619044;1488210130;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you say. 1619045;1488210166;mircea_popescu;but no, it's exactly like the charter of a Совет Экономической Взаимопомощи. 1619046;1488210188;mircea_popescu;5% in cash payment + soviet comissar. 1619047;1488210192;asciilifeform;aaha. 1619048;1488210263;asciilifeform;in other lulz, we still see 'ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 673809ms; db write wait: 397971ms; db read wait: 64890ms' (block 454992) and 'ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 456196ms; db write wait: 179701ms; db read wait: 16621ms' (454993) . enemy's strategy is quite trivial, thrash the cache. 1619049;1488210310;mircea_popescu;yeah the 20% figure is more of a sort of "ideal case" ; it can climb to 50% or more like that ^ 1619050;1488210350;asciilifeform;'George W. Bush on Trump's Ties to Russia: 'We All Need Answers'' 1619051;1488210363;asciilifeform;look who they dusted off. 1619052;1488210387;mircea_popescu;aha. suddenly they would swallow any dick, just as long as it's not trump. 1619053;1488210394;mircea_popescu;and this my dear chitlins is how "overton window" works. 1619054;1488210406;mircea_popescu;"radicalized" progressives ? hurr durr. they'd be HAPPY to have reaganomics now. 1619055;1488210454;mircea_popescu;and in a few years they'd be happy to have one random middle class indian shot in kansas. and so on. "the general public" fills the available crevices, no more. 1619056;1488210716;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack: mircea_popescu can you think of any reason not to queue the writes ? 1619057;1488211559;asciilifeform;to revisit much further upstack, to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-14#1018732 ( via mircea_popescu's latest article ) -- consider a 'trb-i' where a tx carries proof of work, and is likewise mined as is the block 1619058;1488211559;a111;Logged on 2015-02-14 17:42 mircea_popescu: unrelated datapoints. half energy available \being used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem) 1619059;1488211616;asciilifeform;( one possible way to cut the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 knot -- ~everybody~ is a txer, miner, and node ) 1619060;1488211616;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox. 1619061;1488211666;asciilifeform;needless to say this would be riotously bad idea if pools remain possible (they must - protocolically - die.) 1619062;1488211819;asciilifeform;there are two known solutions to 'allcomers problem' -- proof-of-work; and limited-access (wotronic). tertium ~probably~ non datur. 1619063;1488212173;asciilifeform;(speaking of proofofwork -- iirc szabo had a lulzy piece about two tribes of northwest-american indians who traded sea shells that were too abundant in each tribe's section of the coast to use as proofofwork, to the other, where they were usable ) 1619064;1488212182;asciilifeform;^ can anyone find this piece ? or it evaporated. 1619065;1488212357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is the dirty reads. if you queue the writes what do you do with the reads ? 1619066;1488212394;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would have to have some equivalent of fs journal 1619067;1488212399;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the piece needn't be found as such. a large portion of the us-mexico conflict of the 1980s was over silver. which was good money in china. 1619068;1488212404;asciilifeform;(i.e. 'these writes don't count until X is also written') 1619069;1488212408;mircea_popescu;us and mexico both aimed to supplant the silver standard coin of china. 1619070;1488212428;asciilifeform;1890s neh 1619071;1488212431;mircea_popescu;please don't tell me you aim to reimplement jfs in btc ;/ way the fuck cheaper to just use one. 1619072;1488212432;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1619073;1488212513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: just to make it absolutely clear, i don't see a long-term future for satoshi's turd. all of my work on trb is to be regarded in same light as the neutron-absorbing armour on 1970s sov tanks -- something with which to prolong the life of the crew ~slightly~ so that it can drive over freshly-nuked ground and last a few hours of shootout. 1619074;1488212520;mircea_popescu;anyway. mined-txn is impractical because of a very practical impedance mismatch, which for historical reason we'll render as "not everyone can be a bank". 1619075;1488212554;asciilifeform;do plz elaborate 1619076;1488212596;mircea_popescu;the function of spending money can not be equal to, and has to be decoupoled from, the function of issuing money. 1619077;1488212610;mircea_popescu;this is a truth of the same level of, "a ship needn't carry a shipyard" 1619078;1488212614;asciilifeform;( i can picture that people wishing to 'be bank' will bid up the cost of txing, by pushing up difficulty. but the wotronic answer -- limit access to nodes to 'subscribers' -- also threatens to re-create banks, neh ? ) 1619079;1488212677;mircea_popescu;currently, blocks issue money and txn spend money. and their decoupling, having nodes "mined" to a hard standard while txn are ALSO mined to a much weaker standard, is sensible. 1619080;1488212698;asciilifeform;that's what i suggested earlier 1619081;1488212704;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1619082;1488212709;asciilifeform;say a tx gotta carry proof of work. 1619083;1488212717;asciilifeform;in order to be eligible to be mined into a block. 1619084;1488212728;asciilifeform;separate difficulties. 1619085;1488212732;mircea_popescu;yes. if it increases the tx mining standard to the point it's = the block mining standard, you coupled issuance and expense. 1619086;1488212739;mircea_popescu;if not, then you still have thew present situation. 1619087;1488212773;mircea_popescu;currently, in order to create a txn you must mine it (calculate some hashes), worth about 1/10^20 of a block or so. 1619088;1488212775;asciilifeform;what would the degenerate case -- block==1tx -- look like ? 1619089;1488212796;mircea_popescu;bitcoin reduced to coinbase (ie, newly minted coins) spending only. 1619090;1488212809;asciilifeform;oops, 2 tx 1619091;1488212810;asciilifeform;lol 1619092;1488212822;mircea_popescu;nah, just the one. 1619093;1488212831;asciilifeform;that'd be pretty useless 1619094;1488212837;mircea_popescu;people'd just keep track of the previous outputs like so many tradestones. 1619095;1488212841;mircea_popescu;it would be, yes. 1619096;1488212842;asciilifeform;(test of heat sink, perhaps. but 0 else.) 1619097;1488212860;shinohai;https://twitter.com/crainbf/status/836170461016903680 1619098;1488212860;mircea_popescu;well, it'd be ~same as the large easter island items, you know ? "immutable object" 1619099;1488212885;mircea_popescu;shinohai tell the little bitch to stop being so fucking poor. 1619100;1488212895;asciilifeform;the finding i keep bashing my head against, is the realization that the current scheme ('anyone can make any number of valid tx they want, and everyone else must spend cpu cycles again and again and again testing it') has no future. 1619101;1488212899;asciilifeform;it is elementarily ddostronic. 1619102;1488212904;mircea_popescu;pays 25 bucks. for what the fuck, ashoeshine ? 1619103;1488212929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not directly obvious. anyone may publish any bullshit they want, and i spend 0 cycles not reading it. 1619104;1488212954;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when it makes it into a block -- king and slave alike, are doomed to spend cycles on it. 1619105;1488212959;asciilifeform;forever. 1619106;1488212959;mircea_popescu;the solution to this problem is still what it was last we discussed it : make the nodes responsible for the txn they convey to you. 1619107;1488212985;mircea_popescu;well that's a different story. hence the http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ 1619108;1488212993;asciilifeform;this solves mempool spam but not the basic problem where a tx sitting in a block is an infinite, recurring cost, while the cost of creating it is finite and one-time. 1619109;1488213006;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1619110;1488213007;danielpbarron;what if a tx has to come with a proof of work that is just harder to find than the tx as a whole is to verify? 1619111;1488213020;asciilifeform;mempool spam is ~uninteresting in the long term, wotronic solution solves it 1619112;1488213037;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: was the direction i was thinking in, earlier 1619113;1488213047;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron the problem is that whatever a bar may be placed in front of people, it must be finite. whereas the flow of time is infinite. 1619114;1488213070;mircea_popescu;no matter how expensive a transaction that is is, the bulk of things to come will overcome it. 1619115;1488213086;mircea_popescu;because what is must be a certain way, whereas what isn't yet can be any way whatsoever. 1619116;1488213099;mircea_popescu;whatso~ever~. 1619117;1488213100;asciilifeform;aint' that what 'difficulty' is for ? 1619118;1488213106;mircea_popescu;not obviously. 1619119;1488213114;asciilifeform;'you bring bigger scissors --- we bring bigger rock' 1619120;1488213122;mircea_popescu;txn will still be stored. 1619121;1488213134;mircea_popescu;however much it cost, fifty or fifty billion, a txn will cost a number. 1619122;1488213136;asciilifeform;aah in that sense -- yes 1619123;1488213139;mircea_popescu;a number is definitionally finite. 1619124;1488213156;mircea_popescu;whereas the blockchain will grow and grow and grow, and with it the aggregate cost of handling that one txn will be infinite. 1619125;1488213296;asciilifeform;i suspect that this is a 'heat death' problem that cannot be fully dealt with. 1619126;1488213309;asciilifeform;but it'd make sense to put whatever brakes on it that could be practically possible. 1619127;1488213315;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1619128;1488213323;asciilifeform;e.g., to make the 'polluters' maximally breathe the farts they create. 1619129;1488213341;mircea_popescu;it's not so far clear that there can't exist a sensible, and protocol-explicit method to close a market around the fundamental problem of uxto 1619130;1488213353;danielpbarron;periodic flattening of utxo set into 1 addr = 1 output, proof of work to make an address, make addresses expire 1619131;1488213355;mircea_popescu;this is in direct relation to our discussion re how bitcoin fragmentation kills bitcoin anyway. 1619132;1488213358;asciilifeform;what means 'close a market' 1619133;1488213361;mircea_popescu;these are all externalities of the same issue 1619134;1488213387;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: expiring addrs are problematic in their own way, see the 'canned tx' discussion from few days ago 1619135;1488213388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a market is closed in this sense when all the externalities can be priced. 1619136;1488213418;mircea_popescu;for instance eulora, all items that exist can be priced on the basis of other items that exist ; there are no items outside of this scheme. makes eulora a perfect system. 1619137;1488213435;danielpbarron;the transactions and addresses wouldn't need to contain info about the expiration. the nodes would know when it expires based on when it was first mined into a block 1619138;1488213444;mircea_popescu;such systems do not exist outside of a simulation, take for instance the issue of piracy ; or its exact equivalent, "trade". 1619139;1488213447;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: one of the fundamental attractions, as i see it, of bitcoin, is that it is devoid of the idiot usg-powered musical chairs of 'keep moving the money or we'll steal' 1619140;1488213458;mircea_popescu;who will provide the dying empire so the young brits of 1990 can be as cool as the brits of 1790 ? 1619141;1488213494;mircea_popescu;nobody, and consequently... they aren't. but this isn't a market, it's a war. 1619142;1488213564;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i can't speak for others, but i'd have 0 interest in a bitcoin where you can cause someone's coin to evaporate by disrupting his net connectivity for a decade or two (e.g., by imprisoning) 1619143;1488213596;mircea_popescu;and this is what "when trade stops war starts" fundamentally means : all items WILL be priced. if they can not be priced through a market, they will be priced through a war. which is why whores are the exact mechanism through which war is avoided : in pricingtheir cunt on the market, they avoid the need to have their cunts priced at the point of the sword. 1619144;1488213617;mircea_popescu;it's how the us set itself up the bomb, through "morality", also ; and why as it is dying, that relaxes. 1619145;1488213618;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1619146;1488213647;mircea_popescu;re http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-29#1287460 1619147;1488213647;a111;Logged on 2015-09-29 10:10 mircea_popescu: who knows. the venetians spent all their time training the girls to be whores, lost to charles on the field then won in the bedroom. 1619148;1488213654;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orlov phrased same lemma with different pieces -- '90s ru produced a dictum, 'don't lend more than it'd cost the creditor to take a contract on you' 1619149;1488213672;asciilifeform;the debtor, that is 1619150;1488213686;asciilifeform;'don't lend more than it'd cost the debtor to have you plugged' 1619151;1488213711;asciilifeform;this in re the whores and the sword. 1619152;1488213924;mircea_popescu;alright. 1619153;1488213972;mircea_popescu;so : maybe there can be a way to organize the whole scheme so that the cost of a txn in terms of node is balanced out with the cost of the txn in terms of user ; and miner. 1619154;1488214040;mircea_popescu;this will necessarily mean that the woman does not own her body, in some sense and to some degree, when discussing cunts ; and that i don't know what the fuck unpleasantry, when discussing bitcoin. 1619155;1488214045;mircea_popescu;can't say it's directly evident what. 1619156;1488214066;asciilifeform;this is the mega-problem i was stabbing at, in the earlier nodes thread 1619157;1488214078;asciilifeform;with the 'god fee' crackpottery etc. 1619158;1488214083;mircea_popescu;myeah 1619159;1488214106;mircea_popescu;the problem with "expiring txn", as fundamentally and intuitively sound as it seems, is that if you lose the relation to the original coinbase, you lost everything. 1619160;1488214138;mircea_popescu;which makes "pruned" blockchain entirely useless for any purpose (other than "convincingly" to a standard that's not actually convincing pretend to be you know, done homework) 1619161;1488214141;asciilifeform;lose in the sense of , it fails to get mined in the specified interval ? 1619162;1488214147;asciilifeform;aah 1619163;1488214156;mircea_popescu;no, lose in the sense of, "we no longer need to store tx Z because reasons 1619164;1488214160;asciilifeform;as i understand it, there cannot be such a thing as 'safely pruned' 1619165;1488214165;asciilifeform;it is a heathen heresy 1619166;1488214173;mircea_popescu;well for the reason stated. 1619167;1488214197;mircea_popescu;"block 53 produced a 50 bitcoin mining reward. where is it today ?" "uhhh" "sit down." 1619168;1488214261;asciilifeform;likewise for the reason that ~someone~ still has to keep the world history around. as soon as it is not practically accessible to ~anyone, it becomes possible to 'consensus' and fiatolate. 1619169;1488214383;asciilifeform;'pruned blockchain' is a fundamentally fraudulent object. 1619170;1488214387;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1619171;1488214413;asciilifeform;(formally speaking: it converts the protocolic into the promisetronic) 1619172;1488214430;mircea_popescu;this marries us to an infinite object. which then creates problems, as discussed. 1619173;1488214436;mircea_popescu;impossible to price infinite objects. 1619174;1488214456;asciilifeform;this is one of those cases where the constant -- matters 1619175;1488214475;asciilifeform;just as it makes a difference whether we run out of usable tantalum 5000 yrs from now, or in 5. 1619176;1488214485;mircea_popescu;now, there is a lot of merit to danielpbarron 's observation -- all that is, must die. but yes, there's also a lot of merit to the contrary alf view -- the whole fucking point here is that we're flirting with immortality, innit now. 1619177;1488214581;mircea_popescu;but the correct trb-i might just as well end up this situation where block reward is 1mn bitcoin, and it dies within 1mn blocks. so all mining does is produce ~ a lease ~ on a chunk of bitcoin. and the value of old bitcoin is monotonically decreasing over their lifetime. 1619178;1488214603;mircea_popescu;there'll be up to 1bn coins in the system at all points after the millionth block, and everyone can price their holdings according to blocktime, and all is well. 1619179;1488214638;mircea_popescu;1trn* i mean 1619180;1488214638;asciilifeform;the 1 problem is that ~nobody actually ~wants~ to use a demurraging coin 1619181;1488214642;asciilifeform;it fails 'berlin wall test' 1619182;1488214655;mircea_popescu;1mn blocks, it should be pointed out, aka 10mn minutes, is a long time. 1619183;1488214664;mircea_popescu;as per your 5k / 5 years tantalum test 1619184;1488214679;mircea_popescu;people have no problem using milk, or for that matter glass. or silicone chips. 1619185;1488214686;mircea_popescu;none of these are "permanent" to the 1mn block standard. 1619186;1488214700;mircea_popescu;(about 19 years give or take) 1619187;1488214704;asciilifeform;tru 1619188;1488214717;asciilifeform;but it does turn an indefinite into a definite-death. 1619189;1488214725;asciilifeform;which is a turnoff. 1619190;1488214732;mircea_popescu;well it will also turn the blockchain into a tenable from an untenable proposition. 1619191;1488214749;mircea_popescu;you understand this, yes ? currently the blockchain is an inexistent object the world depends upon. 1619192;1488214762;mircea_popescu;it is no better in any sense that matters than pantsuit mcclinton clown. 1619193;1488214836;mircea_popescu;of course, with this scheme we also lose bitcoin mixing, which is the true problem. 1619194;1488214840;asciilifeform;the other problem is that 'tx is paid for all nodes for a million blocks, while creator pays once and miner rakes in the cake' is not a substantial improvement over the current case 1619195;1488214849;mircea_popescu;deeply unfungible, like people, these txn. 15yo can't fuck 5yo. 1619196;1488214886;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ is exactly what the title says. necessary FOR ANY. 1619197;1488214954;asciilifeform;incidentally mircea_popescu's algo doesn't force miners to ~relay~, necessarily, blocks 1619198;1488214959;asciilifeform;only to gather them 1619199;1488214974;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1619200;1488214987;mircea_popescu;but the idea is that it does force the presence of LARGE node infrastructure. 1619201;1488215000;mircea_popescu;as large as mining farms, or larger. or i guess less large - by an adjustable factor. 1619202;1488215008;mircea_popescu;it's a step towards closing market as discussed above. 1619203;1488215017;asciilifeform;that'd be rather like calling nsa's database a 'large file backup infrastructure' 1619204;1488215031;mircea_popescu;not last word in any sense, not in general nor on its own topic. but still, prerequisite. first step sorta thing 1619205;1488215032;asciilifeform;'hey ftmeade, can i haz my phone call from last week' 1619206;1488215040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is. 1619207;1488215144;mircea_popescu;'tx is paid for all nodes for a million blocks, while creator pays once and miner rakes in the cake << consider, if it costs 10 bux to store a kb for 1mn blocks, and it costs 20000 bux to mine a block and there's 2k txn to the block, then it can be said the split is even. 1619208;1488215153;mircea_popescu;whether even is fair or not is a marketable question. 1619209;1488215196;asciilifeform;the nonmining node still gets zilch 1619210;1488215204;asciilifeform;all he gets is the electric bill 1619211;1488215218;mircea_popescu;the storing node chose by the victorious miner to do its prepwork gets whatever they agreed upon. 1619212;1488215248;mircea_popescu;this is closer to marriage, in trying to resolve the noder-miner http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 problem. 1619213;1488215248;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox. 1619214;1488215327;mircea_popescu;now, the objection can of course be raised that "what guarantees do i have someone will marry me", to which the answer is of course both none and fuck you. it works if you work it, as the expression goes. 1619215;1488215391;asciilifeform;seems like it'd more likely result in hermaphroditism, than marriage 1619216;1488215413;mircea_popescu;a more perfect union, eh. well, plato'd be happy at least. 1619217;1488215415;asciilifeform;and ~fewer~ nodes, and ~more~ incestuous/selective relaying 1619218;1488215442;mircea_popescu;i can scarcely see how could there be more of that, but ok. 1619219;1488215491;mircea_popescu;consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615679 ; nobody seems much perturbed that THE FIRST TIME A TRANSACTION WAS HEARD OF WAS WHEN IT SHOWED UP IN A BLOCK. 1619220;1488215491;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 18:39 mircea_popescu: reported by the miner that included it, as best i can tell. 1619221;1488215492;asciilifeform;if miners vertically integrate 1619222;1488215509;mircea_popescu;totally ruins the "anglotards can think" theory. if they could think this'd be the #1 think they'd be on the lookout for. 1619223;1488215540;asciilifeform;(given mircea_popescu's algo, they more or less must vertically integrate.) then there will be equally little point for nonmining nodes to operate as there is today. 1619224;1488215558;asciilifeform;this is not a strike against mircea_popescu's algo -- imho it is direly necessary 1619225;1488215567;asciilifeform;but it does not solve the 'nodes women' thing. 1619226;1488215618;mircea_popescu;but, of course, http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ 1619227;1488215741;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619219 << this is actually a regular thing -- recall, various pools have wwwtronic forms into which you can piss a tx directly 1619228;1488215741;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 17:11 mircea_popescu: consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615679 ; nobody seems much perturbed that THE FIRST TIME A TRANSACTION WAS HEARD OF WAS WHEN IT SHOWED UP IN A BLOCK. 1619229;1488215779;asciilifeform;at this point it is not a mega-seekrit, that mempool only barely worx. 1619230;1488215789;mircea_popescu;so if you piss it in, what then ? 1619231;1488215794;mircea_popescu;it's broadcast ? to whom ? why not ? etc. 1619232;1488215804;asciilifeform;then it presumably goes into the pipe. 1619233;1488215810;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1619234;1488215823;asciilifeform;which is not connected to mempool in the usual sense (why would, e.g., antpool, want to tell other pools your tx) 1619235;1488215852;mircea_popescu;cuz it's the fucking spec. 1619236;1488215863;asciilifeform;this is an ad-hoc, orcish version of the 'pay to play' discussed earlier. 1619237;1488215872;mircea_popescu;"i can scarcely see how could there be more of that" 1619238;1488215904;asciilifeform;if 'spec' contains an 'octopus gland of death', item that can be safely and unilaterally jettisoned by a player, it'll be jettisoned 1619239;1488215931;mircea_popescu;heh 1619240;1488215960;asciilifeform;just like 'miners are nodes are txers' was jettisoned in, what, 1st year of bitcoin 1619241;1488216013;mircea_popescu;myeah 1619242;1488217465;mircea_popescu;!!up aseriousgogetta 1619243;1488217466;deedbot;aseriousgogetta voiced for 30 minutes. 1619244;1488217474;aseriousgogetta;ty 1619245;1488217491;mircea_popescu;who were you again ? 1619246;1488217749;aseriousgogetta;a serious go getta 1619247;1488217795;aseriousgogetta;;) 1619248;1488217796;mircea_popescu;that's not much. 1619249;1488217816;aseriousgogetta;life is short 1619250;1488218241;aseriousgogetta;do as much as i can with what little i have. 1619251;1488218304;trinque;the bizarre things that follow "who are you?" 1619252;1488218359;trinque;as though the brain, dereferencing a null pointer, picks another at random 1619253;1488219288;asciilifeform;damn, i was hopin' he'd tell us about something he'd... gone, and gotten 1619254;1488222169;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu here's another crackpottery in re the nodes/miners/txers 'racul, broasca si o stiuca' : ~multistage mining~. where a node can encumber (protocolically/mathematically - for now i will not specify how) a tx with some proofofwork, when passing it on to next relay; and when the tx is mined, the block reward is split between the multiple parents of the final tx. 1619255;1488222170;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1619256;1488222190;asciilifeform;(before anyone laughs, i will point out, yes, the necessary mechanical parts for this do not presently exist.) 1619257;1488222987;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'medium' now replaces images with blank turds whenever archive.is (and also ye olde archive.org !) saves a page there 1619258;1488223106;asciilifeform;( e.g., https://medium.com/@dourvaris/my-2015-macbook-pro-retina-exploded-119ea5ea9d1f <<<>>> https://archive.is/p6Z3q <<<>>> http://web.archive.org/web/20170227191525/https://medium.com/@dourvaris/my-2015-macbook-pro-retina-exploded-119ea5ea9d1f ) 1619259;1488223187;asciilifeform;archiving the images individually -- strangely, works : e.g., https://archive.is/7XgPb https://archive.is/a5fRg 1619260;1488223211;asciilifeform;and now the interesting observation -- what's with the plastic parts (fan blades, connector headers) that did not melt or so much as warp ? 1619261;1488223396;BingoBoingo;Plastics are fundamentally unequal to each other 1619262;1488223440;asciilifeform;this is kindergarten fact. but still. 1619263;1488224190;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, i had a very similar idea re: staged-mining. came to it in considering a quality-coin where value is a product of quantity of units and a factor which decreases with each passing block 1619264;1488224255;danielpbarron;eulora-inspired 1619265;1488224342;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: as i currently understand it, the encumbrance algo is the boojum. 1619266;1488224348;asciilifeform;i know of no serious candidates. 1619267;1488224370;asciilifeform;(it has to be ~protocolic~, that is, something that the next-pass relay, or miner, could not simply strip out) 1619268;1488224382;asciilifeform;but at the same time has to preserve the validity of the original tx creator's signature. 1619269;1488224433;asciilifeform;this may very well resolve to mircea_popescu's unsolved 'blind inputs' problem. 1619270;1488224707;asciilifeform;i can think of ~one~ approach, so far: tx creator asks his first-hop node for a nonce, which he then incorporates into his tx, which protocolically declares consent to the node fee. similarly to how miner fee already works. BUT this does not solve the problem of how 2nd ... nth hops, could add anything whatsoever meaningful to the tx. 1619271;1488224874;asciilifeform;and this kind of scheme would also nuke 'canned tx', as discussed earlier. so not really such hot stuff. 1619272;1488225020;asciilifeform;( the above ^ now that i think about it, could be simplified to mircea_popescu's earlier 'node accepts if you put an output to his addr in your tx' ) 1619273;1488225036;asciilifeform;this does 0 for 2nd hop tho. 1619274;1488225085;asciilifeform;also if 'a block has many fathers', as in contemplated scheme, this re-introduces the possibility of pool. which imho is a Bad Thing. 1619275;1488225763;asciilifeform;oooook i finally realized that the problem -- as stated above -- is unsolvable 1619276;1488225816;asciilifeform;if you let ANYONE, under ANY circumstances, appropriate some of the value of a tx without the consent of its original author, you create a sybil-feeder, where the last hop (i.e. the miner) can simply eat 100% by simulating the passage of the tx through 1,000,001 hops of fictional nodes. 1619277;1488225859;asciilifeform;(even if you limit the total node feed to some small constant, the miner can ~still~ take ~100% of it, this way) 1619278;1488226008;asciilifeform;i could picture some clever mathemagical route whereby each hop can only take a portion of what the n-1-th node consented to -- but i know of no algo to make it thinkable. 1619279;1488226254;trinque;to ask perhaps a stupid question, what is the reason for all nodes running mempool, rather than only those nodes which are mining? 1619280;1488226278;asciilifeform;trinque: say trinque wants to transmit a tx 1619281;1488226281;asciilifeform;where will he put it ? 1619282;1488226295;trinque;blast to nodes I know which have indicated an interest in mining them 1619283;1488226299;asciilifeform;afaik nobody in tmsr has any direct link to any miner whasoever (or at the very least, wants to admit to it) 1619284;1488226307;trinque;not speaking of current conditions 1619285;1488226320;trinque;miner doesn't want my fee? 1619286;1488226323;asciilifeform;gotta specify why the hypothetical conditions will differ from the current ones, trinque 1619287;1488226344;trinque;you are trying to pay for the cost of each node verifying a txn 1619288;1488226362;trinque;the miner is the guy who is going to profit from the transaction being verified 1619289;1488226365;trinque;why not let him do it 1619290;1488226369;asciilifeform;atm mempool works as a 'meat market' where the eligible chixx stand around, waiting, hoping for a serious mircea_popescu to show up and take'em home 1619291;1488226374;asciilifeform;massive overpressure 1619292;1488226386;trinque;doesn't really answer the question 1619293;1488226403;asciilifeform;or, if you like, a dog pound, where poor beasts await the soap boiler and ~sometimes~ somebody takes one home 1619294;1488226408;trinque;miner wants the chicks, yet I'm supposed to STD test them for him 1619295;1488226414;trinque;let him take the expense; I'll verify his block later 1619296;1488226448;danielpbarron;i've wondered that too, trinque 1619297;1488226449;trinque;asciilifeform: why can I not simply transmit the txn directly to any node which has said via protocol "I want txns" 1619298;1488226495;asciilifeform;trinque: any node that wants to , is in fact welcome to drop the mempool on the floor 1619299;1488226498;asciilifeform;even today 1619300;1488226501;trinque;yes. 1619301;1488226514;trinque;all I need is prior blocks; wtf am I running this mempool on a non-miner for? 1619302;1488226527;trinque;and then if so why try to pay for the relay cost when it can be dropped 1619303;1488226533;trinque;miners can relay 1619304;1488226537;asciilifeform;but in fact if this becomes common -- and you can think of the spamola attacks of last 2 yrs as in fact attempts to MAKE it happen -- propagation will stall. 1619305;1488226550;asciilifeform;because miners have more incentive for secrecy than they have for gathering txes from the wild. 1619306;1488226554;trinque;put it upon my node to know enough miners 1619307;1488226561;asciilifeform;they would actually rather mine coinbasetx-only blocks 1619308;1488226565;asciilifeform;than give away their positions. 1619309;1488226570;trinque;this diminishes over time 1619310;1488226582;trinque;if the fee market cannot pay for such a thing the mining has no future anyway 1619311;1488226595;asciilifeform;there is ~no fee market. 1619312;1488226613;asciilifeform;it ~failed to materialize. the continued existence of 0fee tx, anywhere, ever, is proof. 1619313;1488226643;trinque;are we talking of ideal bitcoin or not wtf 1619314;1488226646;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, the staged-mining i had in mind was more like: a valid block can contain a bunch of coinbases as long as they add up to a specific difficulty-value. whoever finally puts the block together cannot steal the rewards of the lesser pieces, and it would be just as hard if not harder to make replacements for them to fill the rest of his block's space. 1619315;1488226648;trinque;~why~ did it not 1619316;1488226669;asciilifeform;trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618581 << was one hypothesis. 1619317;1488226669;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the bitcoin network bandwith far exceeds the ACTUAL transaction needs of the civilised world. 1619318;1488226698;trinque;because the actual people doing the mining are not bearing the cost of collecting that which they mine 1619319;1488226718;asciilifeform;trinque: aha. the running thread was re: how might they be made to 1619320;1488226734;trinque;make them run the txn accepting infrastructure 1619321;1488226738;trinque;are they payment processors or not 1619322;1488226754;asciilifeform;currently it is possible to break even as a miner without accepting ANY tx 1619323;1488226754;trinque;or is my node meant to lift "0.0000001%" the weight with all the other good socialists 1619324;1488226841;asciilifeform;the other fundamental problem is that classical bitcoin comes with immense incentive for miner cartelization. if nothing were changed other than 'miner must be a proper node', we get what amounts to visa. 1619325;1488226855;asciilifeform;where you have 6 miners and their 6 nodes, being 'the network'. 1619326;1488226867;trinque;you cannot mine a block now 1619327;1488226871;asciilifeform;aha 1619328;1488226883;asciilifeform;but i can transmit a tx. (for the time being) 1619329;1488226898;trinque;it could indeed be argued that only miner=relay increases the consolidation 1619330;1488226903;trinque;can you though? 1619331;1488226912;trinque;how do you define that? it's in somebody's mempool? 1619332;1488226917;trinque;so what, I mined a block and I ignored you 1619333;1488226946;trinque;it proceeds towards asciilifeform's "mining is a bug" point 1619334;1488226956;asciilifeform;in so far as i can unmistakeably ~determine~ that my tx was not mined -- and know when it ~is~ -- i can transmit. it can take potentially infinite time... 1619335;1488226959;asciilifeform;but i can transmit. 1619336;1488226974;trinque;the relay consolidation is already there; it's just obscured by nonsense hair 1619337;1488226978;asciilifeform;but now picture if i had to own one of the six cartel nodes, to have a verifiable copy of blockchain. 1619338;1488227003;trinque;that doesn't follow from what I said. 1619339;1488227023;trinque;you would receive blocks like anybody does 1619340;1488227054;asciilifeform;what incentive would a fullnode+miner have to send me accurate blocks ? 1619341;1488227062;asciilifeform;in anything like real time 1619342;1488227093;trinque;how is "accurate" defined other than "verifies against the last block I have" 1619343;1488227112;trinque;I can send you a completely empty block now as a miner, and you'll take it 1619344;1488227116;trinque;is that "accurate" ? 1619345;1488227191;asciilifeform;possibly this reduces to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618268 problem 1619346;1488227191;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 20:07 mircea_popescu: can you presently count the bitcoin networks that exist ? 1619347;1488227235;*;trinque summarizes point 1619348;1488227332;trinque;everyone-has-a-mempool is not distinct in any way from miners-run-mempool/nodes-relay-to-known-miner 1619349;1488227348;trinque;miner will in both cases mine the txn he chooses and fuck you 1619350;1488227357;trinque;this may very well be a bug; I'm not lauding the thing 1619351;1488227413;asciilifeform;afaik the real boojum is that miner has overwhelming incentive to stay secret, and the more powerful -- the moar so 1619352;1488227438;asciilifeform;observe, no miners have written to asciilifeform asking for ssh-wire to dulap. 1619353;1488227453;asciilifeform;even though such high rollers as mircea_popescu , sometimes transmit tx through it. 1619354;1488227501;asciilifeform;( now! for all i know, they wrote directly to mircea_popescu . but notice that he is not burning with the desire to share this fact. the secrecy incentive remains even for folks N degrees separated from a known miner ! ) 1619355;1488228116;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619314 << this is potentially interesting imho 1619356;1488228116;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 20:17 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, the staged-mining i had in mind was more like: a valid block can contain a bunch of coinbases as long as they add up to a specific difficulty-value. whoever finally puts the block together cannot steal the rewards of the lesser pieces, and it would be just as hard if not harder to make replacements for them to fill the rest of his block's space. 1619357;1488228130;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: didja write this up at length anywhere ? 1619358;1488228139;danielpbarron;not yet 1619359;1488228205;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it does seem to reduce to the earlier 'let's say mining were what you did to make a tx, and there were no blocks as such' neh ? 1619360;1488228225;asciilifeform;tx-sized blocks, or if you like, block-sized tx.. 1619361;1488228353;asciilifeform;and (as iirc mircea_popescu observed also) it would reduce to ~same situation as today, where the folx with the serious hashing iron would eat ~all of the cake, and everybody else gets to do the laundry. 1619362;1488228446;danielpbarron;the thing i was imagining had two different things that go on in "transactions" : sending funds from A to B ; creating new coins out of thin air. and anyone can create the new coins, no matter how much hash power they have. the big miners could still exist to supply high quality coins, while the common user could mine low quality coins 1619363;1488228484;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: educate me ( a non-euloran ) what means 'quality of coin' 1619364;1488228515;asciilifeform;is it the knapsack problem, where coins are now vectors, rather than scalars, they have a volume and a density ? 1619365;1488228540;asciilifeform;what does one do with 'low-quality coins' ? 1619366;1488228586;asciilifeform;(and, more importantly, how does a system having coins taking the form (a,b), rather than scalar (c), not reduce to same (c) == a*b ? ) 1619367;1488228587;danielpbarron;yes, vector coins 1619368;1488228614;danielpbarron;the quality factor decreases with each mined block 1619369;1488228624;danielpbarron;that parts not eulora-esque.. yet 1619370;1488228630;asciilifeform;how is this different from the old-fashioned scalar coin where the ~quantity~ decreases ? 1619371;1488228639;asciilifeform;i.e. what does the vectorization actually accomplish ? 1619372;1488228698;asciilifeform;as i see it, what is missing here is the knapsack per se 1619373;1488228708;asciilifeform;where you have some ~reason~ to prefer high-density objects 1619374;1488228962;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: and i can hardly picture the low-density 'subcoinbases' actually ever making it into a block . 1619375;1488228967;mircea_popescu;o hai. 1619376;1488228978;asciilifeform;( or, what, some derp mining on a 486, can cause space inside a block to be filled ?! ) 1619377;1488229017;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tldr - asciilifeform failed to square the circle 1619378;1488229037;mircea_popescu;aww! 1619379;1488229043;asciilifeform;but perhaps danielpbarron knows how! 1619380;1488229067;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619252 << i would say that's exactly what happens. 1619381;1488229067;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 17:59 trinque: as though the brain, dereferencing a null pointer, picks another at random 1619382;1488229093;mircea_popescu;somehow fails to raise any serious errors, either. "o hey, turns out on examination... i do not actually exist!" 1619383;1488229119;trinque;it would be polite to have a nervous breakdown at the very least 1619384;1488229125;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it though. 1619385;1488229469;asciilifeform;( lelzies, 454955, 455025 , empty bloxx, just today ) 1619386;1488229473;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619262 << "plastics" in current practice is a very different material from "plastics" in the 1970s soviet standards book understanding. it ain't no longer pvc, plexi & pp/pet. 1619387;1488229473;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 19:24 asciilifeform: this is kindergarten fact. but still. 1619388;1488229495;mircea_popescu;much like say "composites" today is a lot more than the "glass fiber" making the better motor boats on the black sea at the period. 1619389;1488229526;mircea_popescu;they're technically plastics because of the process through which they all work, but that process is no longer fixed one single organic chemistry thing, but a bevy of them. 1619390;1488229539;mircea_popescu;consequently there's no promise "plastics" will behave in the intuitive way. 1619391;1488229550;mircea_popescu;which is how you can have a plastic gun barrel on a gun. 1619392;1488229584;asciilifeform;you can have a cardboard barrel also. for the same 1 shot. 1619393;1488229596;mircea_popescu;these aren't much worse than metal. 1619394;1488229606;mircea_popescu;thermosetting polymer. 1619395;1488229625;asciilifeform;( anybody try a kapton barrel ? what'd this cost..? ) 1619396;1488229646;*;mircea_popescu lolz, the glock is 65% of the market. holy shit this angloworld loves plastics. 1619397;1488229655;asciilifeform;glock has ordinary steel barrel. 1619398;1488229662;mircea_popescu;yes ok. 1619399;1488229712;mircea_popescu;!~google vp70 1619400;1488229713;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Heckler & Koch VP70 - Wikipedia: ; Hk VP70 The gun that changed it all - YouTube: ; Heckler & Koch's Historic VP70 - Tactical Life: 1619401;1488229933;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619276 << well you wouldn't allow someone to appropriate the value of the tx, but of the tx's context. 1619402;1488229933;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 20:03 asciilifeform: if you let ANYONE, under ANY circumstances, appropriate some of the value of a tx without the consent of its original author, you create a sybil-feeder, where the last hop (i.e. the miner) can simply eat 100% by simulating the passage of the tx through 1,000,001 hops of fictional nodes. 1619403;1488229968;mircea_popescu;but yes, in geneeral rewarding hardship creates the problem that it is cheaper to simulate hardship than to go through it. 1619404;1488230023;mircea_popescu;that's why all the efforts to help "black people" as they were understood by white people created a thin sliver of black people tuned to entertain white people atop a large mass of exceptionally disenfranchised if somewhat authentic black people. 1619405;1488230098;mircea_popescu;and this also explains why you heard of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611925 but not of http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-adevarat-in-gangsta-rap/#selection-77.139-77.155 1619406;1488230098;a111;Logged on 2017-02-06 18:37 thestringpuller: marketing Snoop Dogg is making a fortune from. d00d is a genius at extracting $$$$ from white girls 1619407;1488231247;asciilifeform;theoretically you ~could~ have a leaktight hose where hop1 takes a % of a 'node and miner fee' preallocated by tx author; hop2 takes ~his own~ % of what hop1 left on the table; and so forth. but the requisite mathematical device for protocolically encumbering a tx is afaik undiscovered. 1619408;1488231591;asciilifeform;( to cement this down for l0gz readers : what you'd need is a mechanism for pubkey-signing some material already signed by another pubkey, whereby the original signature is preserved -- not necessarily bitwise, but in the sense of remaining fully verifiable -- but the new one is not strippable off with any reasonable amount of cpu cycle ) 1619409;1488231701;asciilifeform;actually i know an algo that does this. will post it later, if it isn't obvious to mircea_popescu et al after a few minutes' thought. 1619410;1488231882;trinque;you can just wrap it in the relaying node's signature, and the relaying node gets whatever he demands of the fee; meanwhile miner wants the copy of txn that gives him the most fee 1619411;1488231892;trinque;but I don't see what any of that benefits 1619412;1488231901;asciilifeform;trinque: 2nd hop could unwrap it 1619413;1488231906;asciilifeform;and first hop gets 0 1619414;1488231914;asciilifeform;unless you can ~protocolically~ cement it 1619415;1488231919;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'll never get the magic number right. 1619416;1488231940;trinque;still no answer why this is better than me having to transmit to a mining node in the first place 1619417;1488231941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idea is that market gets to twiddle the number, neh 1619418;1488231950;trinque;in which case cost is upon me and the miners I talked to, and nobody else's shoulders 1619419;1488231959;mircea_popescu;you find yourself in the ridiculous posture of trying to invent a drm that works and off the cuff. 1619420;1488231959;asciilifeform;trinque talks to miners today ? 1619421;1488231966;mircea_popescu;information wants to be free, bitch. 1619422;1488231981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it 'wants to be free', tell me my p and q aha. 1619423;1488231985;trinque;asciilifeform: what did you miss where I said "node should advertise whether he wants to mine" 1619424;1488231990;trinque;this draws them into the open as you wanted 1619425;1488231999;asciilifeform;trinque: go and draw a chinese miner into the open, today..? 1619426;1488232013;asciilifeform;i'd like to connect dulap to one, instead of trudging through ocean of prb 1619427;1488232017;trinque;your rhetorical methods are sometimes ridiculous 1619428;1488232019;asciilifeform;so i'll be the 1st to tell trinque 'thanks' 1619429;1488232032;mircea_popescu;anyway, this notion that you'll color bits with ownership or righteousness or whatever... it dun work irl. 1619430;1488232053;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phrased this way, it elementarily falls down. q was whether you could do the deed ~without~ promisetronics 1619431;1488232059;trinque;asciilifeform: under this imagined scheme ~the only way~ anyone can process any transactions is if he opens an orifice to receive them 1619432;1488232077;trinque;how bout you criticize *that* rather than whatever you like 1619433;1488232089;asciilifeform;trinque: this is doable right now, you can comment out the mempool in trb... 1619434;1488232092;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619279 << i suspect the blockchain-node vs mempool-node split (3rd or so item to be jetisoned) happened like... two years in. once they got the "ligthweight" nodes or w/e bullshit ; non-verifying miner nodes et all. 1619435;1488232092;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 20:10 trinque: to ask perhaps a stupid question, what is the reason for all nodes running mempool, rather than only those nodes which are mining? 1619436;1488232098;asciilifeform;trinque: just don't be surprised when other nodes drop you 1619437;1488232125;mircea_popescu;sounds about 2012ish 1619438;1488232172;trinque;asciilifeform: yes lets switch between ideal bitcoin thread and current bitcoin thread whenever it suits 1619439;1488232210;asciilifeform;trinque: say we stick to the trb-i thread. gotta specify what specifically about your concept of trbi, that would remove the incentive for miner secrecy that exists in classical bitcoin. 1619440;1488232225;asciilifeform;if anything, nuking the possibility of pools (as for instance i favour) would exacerbate it. 1619441;1488232231;mircea_popescu;wait, what ? how the fuck would you remove "incentive for miner secrecy". 1619442;1488232237;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik you couldn't. 1619443;1488232238;mircea_popescu;if miner is miner, he wants to stay secret. 1619444;1488232244;asciilifeform;^ 1619445;1488232254;*;trinque sees very little chance of discussing the actual item and tires of chasing it 1619446;1488232267;mircea_popescu;either his rigs don't cost money, in which case it's a proof-of-reddit coin a la doge, or else they do, in which case stfu you're not invited to the party. 1619447;1488232288;asciilifeform;unless i misunderstand trinque , he pictured a trbi where miners would advertise 'hi, i'ma miner, and i'd like some tx of yours' 1619448;1488232310;asciilifeform;which any way i picture it, is suicidal 1619449;1488232324;*;asciilifeform bbl; meat 1619450;1488232324;mircea_popescu;kinda what the whole mempool does, reduces the wallflower problem. (irl, girls don't dare go up to boys lest other girls think them sluts, and boys don't dare go up to girls lest other boys think them losers) 1619451;1488232325;trinque;it is not distinct from the present day 1619452;1488232329;danielpbarron;in the staged-mining scenario, miner has incentive to be at least somewhat public because he will often find valid solutions that are not quite big enough to solve a block when used alone, but in combination with smaller pieces will work. so he wants to keep a pool of little pieces at the ready to quickly pad his big chunk 1619453;1488232336;trinque;holy fuck the fog of metaphor 1619454;1488232381;mircea_popescu;trinque go ahead an' cut through it, np 1619455;1488232410;trinque;asciilifeform appears to be bending over backwards trying to get people paid to relay txn 1619456;1488232420;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah, the only thing is that if you actually do something like that you are better off dispensing with the notion of "block" and instead create a sort of tree for a blockchain 1619457;1488232440;trinque;why am I relaying txn to 99% of people who aren't going to do a damned thing with it 1619458;1488232455;trinque;rather than the nodes which care (i.e. want [to be paid to] produce a block) 1619459;1488232472;trinque;and since they are engaged in transaction processing, ought to carry the full cost of doing so 1619460;1488232477;mircea_popescu;(currently, from a purely cs theory / systems design perspective, bitcoin can be laughed at because its blockchain is akin to spirogira strands. most ridiculous tree known to nature. 1619461;1488232479;trinque;i.e. collecting them to insert into the block 1619462;1488232504;mircea_popescu;trinque ~same reason you walk down the street in view of everyone rather than just future employers and spouses. 1619463;1488232524;danielpbarron;the 'block' is to keep it all timed right, so that there's still a certain amount of data stored per 10 minute interval. this is also how difficulty is calculated 1619464;1488232527;trinque;I do not need other people's transactions to verify a block 1619465;1488232533;trinque;they are in the block 1619466;1488232549;mircea_popescu;trinque but you need either to a) talk to people who might not mine your tx ; or else b) accept living in a usg-run bitcoin world. 1619467;1488232552;mircea_popescu;because there isn't a third. 1619468;1488232575;trinque;how does the presence of my mempool today prevent some miner for mining whichever txn he chooses? 1619469;1488232585;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron that is true, but ungermane. your scheme as proposed simply works better on a proper tree. timekeeping separate. 1619470;1488232595;mircea_popescu;trinque i dunno that it does that. 1619471;1488232610;trinque;what is it that it does? 1619472;1488232620;mircea_popescu;it allows the miner plausible deniability. 1619473;1488232684;trinque;do I have an interest in affording him this? 1619474;1488232701;mircea_popescu;well, if you do not you get b) above in short order. 1619475;1488232743;trinque;then it seems reasonable for any node operator to accept this cost of doing business 1619476;1488232753;mircea_popescu;it does, on the first pass. 1619477;1488232928;trinque;I can see it; while my mempool does not have anything to do with validating incoming blocks, it gives me my only means of shit-testing the rules by which miners might be filtering transactions. 1619478;1488232954;mircea_popescu;for instance. there's many ways to look at it, which is usually indicative of our not understanding something more fundamental. 1619479;1488232976;mircea_popescu;generally, the mempool function as go between users and nodes. this function is important. 1619480;1488233057;mircea_popescu;it's somewhat amusing that history repeats itself, in that the gossip market only existed because of the interest of powerful players -- it's not like servant women managed to gossip all on their own! but not like they were likely going to get paid for it either! 1619481;1488233079;mircea_popescu;today we have a vaguely similar situation, wherein node world evaporated but not entirely, perhaps in large part because all the players want to keep an eye on all the others. 1619482;1488233097;mircea_popescu;i certainly don't keep nodes for "our democracy", as discussed recently. 1619483;1488233231;mircea_popescu;now, the historical solutionb to the problem, as well as perhaps a workable solution here, is the intrinsic oracle. if user relays txn to a node WHO MAKES A PROMISE (such as for instance "the txn will be included before block n" ?) then the nodes can be scored by their oracle value ("what he said turned out true!) and suddenly you have a more meaningful node market. 1619484;1488233258;mircea_popescu;what promises the nodes can make are related to what their counterparties say. 1619485;1488233289;mircea_popescu;in this scheme, a node would only relay a txn to another node if that other node promised it MORE than what it in turn had promised the user. 1619486;1488233323;mircea_popescu;it is the format i expect the market to take once block subsidy drops enough, which is to say in 2 to 3 halvings. 1619487;1488234177;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/trump-issues-ultimatum-to-gop-obamacare-must-die-before-tax-reform/ << Qntra - Trump Issues Ultimatum To GOP: Obamacare Must Die Before Tax Reform 1619488;1488234276;mircea_popescu;o hey 1619489;1488234389;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the repeal or replacement ? 1619490;1488234493;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619455 << to relay SUCCESSFULLY, trinque . (not to /dev/null) 1619491;1488234493;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 21:53 trinque: asciilifeform appears to be bending over backwards trying to get people paid to relay txn 1619492;1488234526;asciilifeform;incidentally it'd also test trinque's 'miners out in the open' thing. miner who comes out of the curtains, could collect 100% of the fee, rather than what relays left behind 1619493;1488234531;*;asciilifeform slowly eats l0gz 1619494;1488234532;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b2dedbb82ca691f8f645b2ce243853a6438ce7bbddb6c67d095da7104953cbc0.jpg << why do redditard dwellings ALWAYS look like the same fucking homeless shelter, cheap stuffing all over the floor etc ? 1619495;1488234558;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol what is what, a veterinary autocastrator ? 1619496;1488234584;mircea_popescu;you mean the cock thing ? nah, part of the sjw uniform. 1619497;1488234590;mircea_popescu;think of it like panties, for cucks. 1619498;1488234611;asciilifeform;seems like oddball masochism gear, i've never seen it outside of mircea_popescu's links.. 1619499;1488234614;trinque;the ongoing quest for acceptable male undergarments eh? 1619500;1488234619;trinque;nowhere to be found!!11 1619501;1488234625;mircea_popescu;lmao 1619502;1488234836;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619482 << right now, keeping a node is -ev for almost everyone who could be doing it. only oddballs with countereconomic motivation of one kind or another (e.g., trb experimenters) , plus miners themselves, plus serious txers ( e.g., mircea_popescu ) have a desire to do it. there are not so many of these. it is rather like relying on entirely on coprophagics for your sewage disposal needs. 1619503;1488234836;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 22:04 mircea_popescu: i certainly don't keep nodes for "our democracy", as discussed recently. 1619504;1488234843;asciilifeform;dangerously fragile. 1619505;1488234865;mircea_popescu;plus a few governments, plus a few etcetera. 1619506;1488234886;asciilifeform;aha. and -- if you are 'civilian' -- most of these folx are decidedly NOT 'your friends' 1619507;1488234906;mircea_popescu;but yes, all metaeconomic motivation. i wouldn't call it ccountereconomic. much like me treating the whores well in the 90s contrary to male ideology of the time was not countereconomic. 1619508;1488234922;mircea_popescu;nobody you don;t know is your friend, wtf globalism bs is this. 1619509;1488234928;asciilifeform;aha precisely 1619510;1488234976;mircea_popescu;but to be clear - if you are "civilian" you shouldn't be speaking. 1619511;1488234992;mircea_popescu;civilian role is polishing the silverware not judging the ceiling paintings. 1619512;1488235042;asciilifeform;wasn't referring to the d00d with the cock ring, but to 'i have control of an addr with btc in it, and willing to pay the market rate fee, mine my tx' arbitrary martian. 1619513;1488235072;mircea_popescu;there it gets iffy. 1619514;1488235142;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619312 << this is rank nonsense. 1619515;1488235142;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 20:16 asciilifeform: it ~failed to materialize. the continued existence of 0fee tx, anywhere, ever, is proof. 1619516;1488235158;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of cunt, beer, tv etc given away for free every day ; doesn't make these not markets. 1619517;1488235186;mircea_popescu;they're markets alright. the fact that a block subsidy covers 80% or so of the value of a block is the dispositive factor ; and it disposes. 1619518;1488235229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it is a market, it is 'buyer's market' 1619519;1488235263;asciilifeform;(if i landed, a martian, on earth, and found that almost all beer is given out for free and with 0 strings attached - i would infer that beer is a type of industrial waste..) 1619520;1488235344;asciilifeform;the way i see the empty blocks, and mass of 0fee tx, is that it resembles the old days of petro drilling , when natural gas was flared off 1619521;1488235354;asciilifeform;( bottling it was , with tech of the period, -ev ) 1619522;1488235373;mircea_popescu;if you drew that conclusion from that premise we'd correctly identify you as an engineer martian. 1619523;1488235389;mircea_popescu;cunt's always given away "mosty for free" "with no strings attached". hurr durr, not how it works. 1619524;1488235415;asciilifeform;there's a difference between 'mostly' and 'actually no strings' 1619525;1488235548;mircea_popescu;mno. 1619526;1488235560;mircea_popescu;and moreover, bitcoin tx is absolutely a seller-s market, definition item. 1619527;1488235579;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu nails it, the block subsidy makes it largely uninteresting to bother with squeezing the most tx fee from every available byte of ullage in block 1619528;1488235675;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my puzzlement is re the continued existence of 0fee in conjunction with 'blocks are crowded.' can you picture a city where trains are full to bursting point, but they continue letting a third of the passengers in for free ?! 1619529;1488235686;asciilifeform;or how about an airline. 1619530;1488235753;mircea_popescu;how do you know they're 0 fee ? 1619531;1488235762;mircea_popescu;you see a guy with a hot woman, she's sucking his cock. 0 fee ? 1619532;1488235770;mircea_popescu;why, because they gotta registger their transactions with you ? 1619533;1488235775;asciilifeform;point 1619534;1488235796;asciilifeform;i do not know for sure. but i have send personally some 0fee tx, and -- somewhat to my surprise -- they got mined 1619535;1488235801;asciilifeform;(within past yr) 1619536;1488235807;asciilifeform;*have sent 1619537;1488235818;asciilifeform;and i did not have to suck anything behind the curtain... 1619538;1488235855;asciilifeform;now, granted, this was not an industrial-grade survey. 1619539;1488235887;asciilifeform;it is possible that the planets simply aligned for me, the gods smiled, every single time. 1619540;1488235906;mircea_popescu;this happens ; and that it happens proves little. 1619541;1488235913;mircea_popescu;see, could you do it RIGHT NOW ? 1619542;1488235926;mircea_popescu;thats the cost of market usage. i can do it when i want. 1619543;1488235943;mircea_popescu;that if you wait long enough eventually an airplane will fall into your yard does not make airplanes a free product outside of the airplane market. 1619544;1488235977;asciilifeform;but if you could fly anywhere for 0 money, supposing your were willing to do it on some unknown date up to month in the future -- quite a few folx would 1619545;1488235992;asciilifeform;yet sane airline does not pack empty chairs with free riders. 1619546;1488236012;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty fxd 1619547;1488236013;asciilifeform;it is -ev to have any (aside from 'loyalty points' chumps and similar) 1619548;1488236043;mircea_popescu;of course it does. 1619549;1488236049;mircea_popescu;there's even a name for it, i forget. 1619550;1488236064;asciilifeform;discounted riders -- yes. free - not afaik 1619551;1488236066;mircea_popescu;also restaurants hire, you hear me, HIRE schmucks to sit down. 1619552;1488236077;mircea_popescu;and clubs pretty much MEAN "collection of hired sluts" 1619553;1488236125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems more of a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618577 neh 1619554;1488236125;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:17 mircea_popescu: if it were the case you had to pay 2 bux to transact in 2011, bitcoin'd have never exiosted 1619555;1488236134;asciilifeform;yes, new restaurant -- has to lure folx in 1619556;1488236155;asciilifeform;bitcoin however is pretty old restaurant. 1619557;1488236157;mircea_popescu;well... 1619558;1488236936;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619483 << funnily enough , this is what i had sketched out when i mentioned http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619409 1619559;1488236936;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 22:07 mircea_popescu: now, the historical solutionb to the problem, as well as perhaps a workable solution here, is the intrinsic oracle. if user relays txn to a node WHO MAKES A PROMISE (such as for instance "the txn will be included before block n" ?) then the nodes can be scored by their oracle value ("what he said turned out true!) and suddenly you have a more meaningful node market. 1619560;1488236936;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 21:41 asciilifeform: actually i know an algo that does this. will post it later, if it isn't obvious to mircea_popescu et al after a few minutes' thought. 1619561;1488237044;asciilifeform;here is how it'd work, roughly. a miner generates rsa-signed messages , occasionally, let's call'em 'empty casks'. a cask consists of a declaration, 'i'll include a tx within N blocks, i promise, for Q btc/kByte; and oh, here's a nonce.' the casks are distributed to the next level of nodes away from the miner ; 1619562;1488237057;asciilifeform;these in turn issue casks. and pass'em on downstream. 1619563;1488237104;asciilifeform;at the bottom of the pyramid, a tx author requests a cask from a node, and fills it (assigns his node-and-miner fee to the caskchain specified by the hash he was given.) 1619564;1488237126;asciilifeform;the mature tx resulting from this process, makes its way back upstream to the miner. 1619565;1488237146;asciilifeform;when he mines it : 1) all of the participants know whether he has kept his promise; and whether each level of pyramid has kept its promise; 1619566;1488237160;asciilifeform;2 ) the miner-and-node fee is cut up according to the promised scheme. 1619567;1488237167;asciilifeform;(protocolically.) 1619568;1488237304;asciilifeform;to rewrite formally, a cask is a C = sig_h1(sig_h2(sig_h3(.....sig_m('i'll mine a tx for q btc/kb...'))); tx author signs, author_sig(my_tx + C) 1619569;1488237322;mircea_popescu;no reason miner would make this opposable. 1619570;1488237324;asciilifeform;h1 is the sig of 1st hop from miner; h2 - second; etc. 1619571;1488237337;mircea_popescu;mno, miner ifnormally tells his nodes he wants txn ; much like lord of manner tells women of the house he wants a girl added. 1619572;1488237343;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if he wants to make promises -- they gotta be opposable 1619573;1488237344;mircea_popescu;they go running the streets finding an acceptable one. 1619574;1488237350;mircea_popescu;mnope. 1619575;1488237366;mircea_popescu;the nodes are the oracles. 1619576;1488237392;asciilifeform;the terminal sig can belong to a node, rather than a miner, if miners prove resistant to signing anything 1619577;1488237407;asciilifeform;(i.e. the inner cask) 1619578;1488237436;mircea_popescu;nodes live and die by their promises ; miners live and die by their mining. 1619579;1488237438;mircea_popescu;way of teh world. 1619580;1488237487;asciilifeform;scheme pictured above does suffer from the 'no canned tx' headache. but it does solve the 'miner eats 100% of cake, the rest -- do laundry' thing. 1619581;1488237514;asciilifeform;with this algo, you can in fact market access to a miner. and n levels out. 1619582;1488237542;asciilifeform;and at the same time grade nodes by degree of promise-keeping, as described by mircea_popescu . 1619583;1488237788;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1619584;1488237822;asciilifeform;i challenge the good folx here to find the lethal boojum in this algo. because it almost seems workable. 1619585;1488237949;mircea_popescu;this nut, always with the doubling down. 1619586;1488237952;asciilifeform;incidentally each level of the pyramid could automagically price the casks he issues. 1619587;1488237962;asciilifeform;would be pretty smooth 'plane tickets' market, imho. 1619588;1488237984;asciilifeform;(if there is a shortage of casks coming to me from upstream -- i raise my price for downstream. etc) 1619589;1488238033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh the boojum'll turn up. it is not given to ~anybody to invent 2 nice algos... 1619590;1488238254;asciilifeform;though on second thought this algo is, from certain angle, ancient, it is how everything from plane tickets, concert tickets, gladiatorial match tickets, have always been sold 1619591;1488238257;mircea_popescu;anyway. taking away the miner choice wrt to what transactions are included would be a major step forward, goes on the list. 1619592;1488238272;mircea_popescu;it's almost as good as "you can't tell who sent who what" 1619593;1488238273;asciilifeform;aha. let'em sell tickets. that can be resold at markup. 1619594;1488238290;asciilifeform;~binding~ tickets. 1619595;1488238298;mircea_popescu;state it again. 1619596;1488238307;asciilifeform;(and if a miner issues moar tickets than he has plane seats -- it becomes known) 1619597;1488238321;asciilifeform;i'ma go into the mathematical pit and properly formalize the recipe. 1619598;1488238326;mircea_popescu;alright. 1619599;1488238329;asciilifeform;could take a day or 2. 1619600;1488238339;asciilifeform;(perhaps somebody will beat me to it, also good) 1619601;1488238353;mircea_popescu;this is one of those things that's not time-factored. 1619602;1488238391;asciilifeform;if anvil drops on my head tonight, imho there is enough in today's log to reconstitute the recipe. 1619603;1488241268;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1619604;1488241270;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 455046 | Current Difficulty: 4.40779902286E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 455615 | Next Difficulty In: 569 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 22 hours, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1619605;1488241881;mircea_popescu;!!key Aphex_ 1619606;1488241882;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/E65E3459.asc 1619607;1488241950;mircea_popescu;trinque i get 0 size ? 1619608;1488243626;trinque;that has to be from the ancient db where things were done by key ID 1619609;1488243630;trinque;there are a handful of those 1619610;1488243637;trinque;do we know a full fingerprint for that nick? 1619611;1488243678;mircea_popescu;i think this just got uploaded though ? 1619612;1488243710;trinque;huh 1619613;1488243722;trinque;yeah, that should not be using short key ID 1619614;1488243733;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-02-27.log.html#t23:29:02 1619615;1488243742;mircea_popescu;i mean i'm assuming he just made it... 1619616;1488243898;trinque;one sec, fishing it out 1619617;1488243918;trinque;he registered by short key ID; I'll be disallowing that 1619618;1488243950;mircea_popescu;kk. 1619619;1488244249;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://wot.deedbot.org/571C5222741EC7293E8C100CAF612354E65E3459.asc 1619620;1488244261;mircea_popescu;ty 1619621;1488244281;trinque;I'll be fixing !!key for a sec 1619622;1488245030;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/uhf-the-film/ << Trilema - UHF (the film) 1619623;1488245232;trinque;!!key Aphex_ 1619624;1488245233;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/571C5222741EC7293E8C100CAF612354E65E3459.asc 1619625;1488245245;trinque;fixed 1619626;1488245317;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1619627;1488245819;ben_vulpes;excellent logs 1619628;1488245924;*;asciilifeform writing draft trb-i spec 1619629;1488246164;trinque;the cask concept is very interesting. 1619630;1488246221;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/heUlU/?raw=true 1619631;1488246221;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1619632;1488247475;*;mircea_popescu is moderately surprised amontillado wasn';t even mentioned. 1619633;1488247492;asciilifeform;fortheloveofgawd, MONTREZOR!!!!111 1619634;1488247526;trinque;!!register boobs 1619635;1488247526;deedbot;Provide the full 40 character key fingerprint without spaces or dashes. 1619636;1488247538;trinque;for teh benefit of n00bs 1619637;1488247546;mircea_popescu;aha! 1619638;1488249496;mircea_popescu;!!key neephonite 1619639;1488249496;deedbot;Not registered. 1619640;1488250173;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, trump wants 54 bn cut off "most federal agencies", ie the libertard state. 1619641;1488250194;mircea_popescu;that's about 2% of the federal budget, ie barely a ripple. 1619642;1488250225;mircea_popescu;of course it's also 2x the expenditure on "science", or "environment" crap... so whatevs. 1619643;1488250300;mircea_popescu;somehow fake news fails to mention THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST US BUDGET SINCE FUCKING REAGAN. 1619644;1488250841;mircea_popescu;!!key neephonite 1619645;1488250841;deedbot;Not registered. 1619646;1488251325;mircea_popescu;!!key neephonite 1619647;1488251325;deedbot;Not registered. 1619648;1488254036;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1619649;1488254056;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/haoles-at-coinbase-bail-on-hawaii/ << Qntra - Haoles At Coinbase Bail On Hawaii 1619650;1488254977;danielpbarron;trinque, it's supposed to take a url to the ascii armored key right? 1619651;1488255931;trinque;indeed, I see the guy's session though and I screwed something up last update 1619652;1488256964;phf;i don't understand weird al. it's some weird post-hippy take on klezmer, but i feel like i'm missing something, some kind of intermediate step 1619653;1488257093;*;asciilifeform thinks 'holy fuck is the trb-i article looooong;' who will have the strength, to read this. 1619654;1488257111;BingoBoingo;phf: You aren't missing anything. The problem is your brain is working. 1619655;1488257772;phf;asciilifeform: the usual 5 people on the channel, and the one dedicated shadow NSA agent that's assigned to this channel 1619656;1488257800;trinque;what, only one? 1619657;1488257803;trinque;trump budget cuts? 1619658;1488257805;mircea_popescu;phf it's just cheap. 1619659;1488257805;asciilifeform;ninjashotgun! 1619660;1488257851;mircea_popescu;think harlan ellison, or the fucktard that started scientology. 1619661;1488257856;mircea_popescu;or yes, ninjashogun for that matter. 1619662;1488257884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dont worry about it, people routinely read 5k+ word trilema pieces, and they're not even specifically about something. 1619663;1488257919;asciilifeform;this one's already at 4k, and counting 1619664;1488257944;phf;there's one nice thing that came out of harlan ellison, https://www.mobygames.com/game/i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream 1619665;1488257949;asciilifeform;^^^ 1619666;1488257967;asciilifeform;with the little caveat that he had ~0 input into the game design 1619667;1488257967;mircea_popescu;and yankovic was iconic at some point in the (late) 80s 1619668;1488257970;trinque;hate hate hate 1619669;1488257994;trinque;story still ranks as one of my favorites 1619670;1488258002;mircea_popescu;but it's improper to link him to klezmer like it's improper to link hot topic to "teenage angst". 1619671;1488258006;mircea_popescu;he's just trying to sell some cheetos. 1619672;1488258042;mircea_popescu;course if youi mean the 1970s bs, then you're just about right. 1619673;1488258135;mircea_popescu;there was an actual ro/ukr folk thing in the late 1800s, however. 1619674;1488258398;phf;i'm thinking klezmorim as reinterpreted through the 60s do your own thing prism, "happenings", clown with an accordion being "playful" and "weird". it's hard for me to fully connect this line because the whole scene is repulsive 1619675;1488258420;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1619676;1488258455;mircea_popescu;might as well be connected to "far east spirituality", seeing how it's just about the same thing, bored, idle and useless middle class cali chicks trying to find something to do with themselves that would still be useless and improductive. 1619677;1488258572;mircea_popescu;trinque nothing wrong with that, is there ? 1619678;1488258785;trinque;liking the pulp? nah, the misanthropy fit my early teens just fine. 1619679;1488258815;trinque;cheap porn did too, and for similar reasons 1619680;1488258821;mircea_popescu;im not even sure it's terrible, the piece. but the author is certainly this mercenary hack, would-be-copywriter-if-anyone-were-hiring sort. 1619681;1488258857;mircea_popescu;there's no general rule two bit crack whore can't do an epic strip number. 1619682;1488258975;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKf65NOzM 1619683;1488258980;mircea_popescu;check out the bike tricks the dude does. 1619684;1488259215;trinque;lol 1619685;1488259219;trinque;I waited the whole fucking video! 1619686;1488259226;mircea_popescu;lol 1619687;1488259228;trinque;wtf is that bun on her head 1619688;1488259238;mircea_popescu;sojial custice. 1619689;1488259490;phf;i like their clip for shout, because of mary weiss's budding woman come ons. serge gainsbourg will later take it into very roman polansky territory with his yeye girls.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thEKxFNCuT4 1619690;1488259580;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder they're not in turtlenecks. 1619691;1488259714;*;mircea_popescu finds fake lesbian teeny bopper "show me the money" russian frauds much more appealing. 1619692;1488259742;phf;hehe 1619693;1488259780;trinque;the weird sexual constipation that thought this was racy 1619694;1488259783;trinque;what a place 1619695;1488259784;mircea_popescu;they at least have the common sense to whisper rather than squeal. how the fuck people manage to put up with the squeal is beyond me, but if this is music why not fuck pigs. 1619696;1488259794;trinque;my god she turned sideways and sorta wiggled 1619697;1488259802;mircea_popescu;aha. 1619698;1488259815;mircea_popescu;makes it real hard to take any "conservatives" seriously dunnit. 1619699;1488259830;mircea_popescu;"bitch, i bet you didn't even get your cock sucked until i taught your mistress how." 1619700;1488259882;mircea_popescu;in the background, there's this steve martin - kathleen turner movie in which she's a black widow and he's a brain surgeon. woman has nice legs and a fine disposition ; what a fucking waste of a reel. 1619701;1488260075;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in france, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iysdFu_TQ 1619702;1488260162;phf;i actually thought that shangri la clip was from the 40s or something, hence the "serge gainsbourg later ..." :o 1619703;1488260168;asciilifeform;don't goto bed yet folx... 1619704;1488260170;mircea_popescu;awww. 1619705;1488260193;mircea_popescu;40s. 40s is fucking big band / andrews sisters and nobody giving a shit about getting the clap. 1619706;1488260201;mircea_popescu;at least if henry miller is to be believed. 1619707;1488260225;trinque;my god the dancing cocks 1619708;1488260227;*;trinque dies 1619709;1488260242;mircea_popescu;but that monroe / lemmon thing is prolly descriptive enough 1619710;1488260250;mircea_popescu;trinque they're not cocks, they're soucettes! 1619711;1488260264;mircea_popescu;rhymes with soubrettes. 1619712;1488260312;trinque;I don't speak the language, man, but I saw the lollipops 1619713;1488260315;trinque;cocks enter in somehow 1619714;1488260318;mircea_popescu;lol 1619715;1488260348;*;mircea_popescu pictures trinque in beatles uniform, "michelle... i don't speak the language... but i can perceive the hole..." 1619716;1488260437;asciilifeform;ok, gentlement, 1619717;1488260440;asciilifeform;brace yerselves, 1619718;1488260441;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000257.html 1619719;1488260447;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] (CRACKPOTTERY) Notes re: one possible "TRB-I". 1619720;1488260462;mircea_popescu;weird choice of venue. 1619721;1488260476;phf;trinque: it's double entendre in a musical form. she's singing about a girl who likes lollipops, but of course everyone know what the author (gainsbourg) ment. later she grew up a bit and had a falling out with gainsbourg once she learned the trick 1619722;1488260495;mircea_popescu;eh she couldn't have been that fucking retarded. 1619723;1488260502;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah, on 2nd thought it probably does not belong there. But at least is clearly marked as not belonging !111 1619724;1488260514;mircea_popescu;!b 1 1619725;1488260521;mircea_popescu;now we know how he does anal sex. 1619726;1488260550;mircea_popescu;anyw 1619727;1488260557;trinque;lol 1619728;1488260560;mircea_popescu;ay, ima go do things to people now. will read it tomorro. 1619729;1488260567;asciilifeform;nighty mircea_popescu 1619730;1488260573;asciilifeform;trinque this is the casks thing. 1619731;1488260597;trinque;I'll be up early with a fresh mind to read. 1619732;1488260891;trinque;while harlan ellison is still on the mind, to a young trinque, his story was one of the first (yes) indications that total rejection of others was a thing. 1619733;1488260918;trinque;that the character which embodies this is "AI" is not important; it's behavior is entirely human 1619734;1488260924;trinque;*its 1619735;1488260989;trinque;to anyone born in a cultural sewer, hatred is along every path out, even/especially the laziest one. 1619736;1488261058;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616404 << comes to mind 1619737;1488261058;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 22:48 mircea_popescu: and then she hates her parents. 1619738;1488261148;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619682 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRiZRMLGjCY ("down, down, down, down!") 1619739;1488261148;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 05:16 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKf65NOzM 1619740;1488261362;trinque;not the only ingredient of sanity, but it clears the field. 1619741;1488261549;trinque;ben_vulpes: lady friend tried to explain rocky horror to me once, did not make it through my thick skull 1619742;1488261568;ben_vulpes;i don't much know about paths out, but hatred is definitely the fuel for the torch i use to burn a moat around my tiny castle. 1619743;1488261729;ben_vulpes;trinque: horny teen girls need a culturally sanctioned place to be horny in public, 'twas the best most of america had post y2k 1619744;1488261732;*;ben_vulpes bbl 1619745;1488261741;ben_vulpes;i guess there were raves as well 1619746;1488261749;trinque;yeah that makes sense 1619747;1488261761;trinque;"but nothing sexual happens?" 1619748;1488261775;trinque;and thus I lost interest entirely 1619749;1488263789;ben_vulpes;also something something mildly transgressive with the homostuff 1619750;1488281412;mircea_popescu;wtf "nothing sexual happens". in a fucking theatre ? that's insanity. 1619751;1488282778;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re your piece (you know if you had intelligently published it ON YOUR OWN BLOG i could have left a comment there instead, and in a year or whenever this were to be reviewed we wouldn't have to go grepping the logs like idiots) : 1619752;1488282875;mircea_popescu;there's a major problem with the very tight coupling your write-up may be read to envisage wrt cask filling. there are, as far as reality goes, two lists : a list of available txn slots in blocks, which is fixed and aforeknown, and a list of desired txn, which is neither fixed nor truly aforeknown. the workers moving the latter into the former (miners + nodes) are necessarily going to have serious trouble doing a very fixed a 1619753;1488282876;mircea_popescu;nd disciplined 1:1 casks and fills ratio strictly declared at arbitrary points in time. 1619754;1488282930;mircea_popescu;there's a reason a man will fuck ~any woman he encounters naked or in any even vague kind of peri-nude state. without this property, reproduction'd have long ago failed. there's similarily a reason miners currently accept absolutely any txn into a pool of liquid shit. 1619755;1488282973;mircea_popescu;to demand miner makes a certified statement to the effect of "offset 0xa to 0xb in block y is reserved for txn 0xc" is putting a constraint on this p2p system the likes of which it can't conceivably bear. 1619756;1488283142;mircea_popescu;there's a different, much less notable problem wrt to what constitutes "a rotten fill". if i go to the stock market (i mean the old, gentlemany, pit of hand gestures thing) and bid "sentiments" for a certain share, i am in fact engaging in retarded behaviour, on the level of sjwing, and will, and should be kicked out. 1619757;1488283166;mircea_popescu;if however i offer half the "current price" for a share, i am not so engaging. moreover the case exists in history, for instance at the root of the rotschild fortune 1619758;1488283209;mircea_popescu;(fellow was trusted by "everyone" to have best infos as to the situation in europe ; when he offered half price for the bond tranche everyone erroneously decided napoleon had won.) 1619759;1488283573;mircea_popescu;moreover you even want it to invalidate blocks, which is certainly too much. how is a node to even know. 1619760;1488283734;mircea_popescu;a third, and rather major, problem is that you will have serious trouble creating fixed width transactions in general. the reason is that the amount of information itself varies ; you can pretend to push this inconvenience all the way to the user ("hey, always use two inputs and two outputs and fu!") but it's somewhat unlikely to ever stick. 1619761;1488283846;mircea_popescu;moreover i think the original satoshi design wrt to this aspect is actually very wise ; and my expectation (as per say http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/#selection-77.298-77.516 ) is that i should be able to make block-filling txn if i feel like it. 1619762;1488284078;mircea_popescu;a fourth, minor point, is that you have your market primitives ass-backwards. no price formation is ever envisaged to have "asks may depend on bids" as an edulcoration of "asks are fixed ; bids are fixed" because it is always possible to produce a pricing function for the product (based on cost) whereas it's never possible to produce a pricing function for the demand (demand is a psychological, not a physical phenomenon). the 1619763;1488284079;mircea_popescu;refore it's always that bids depend on asks, if either depends on either (ie, if the market is very new) at all. the evolution of the eulora market is very instructive in this vein, see for instance http://trilema.com/memoranda-and-shit-like-1800s-high-diplomacy 1619764;1488284421;mircea_popescu;a fifth, major point is that the current ~ten minute blocks are predicated on loose coupling of "casks" (current situation can be deemed to be that all miners roll infinity of casks at all times to all comers, and all pubkeys are nil) and no negotiation whatsoever occurring either downward or backward. the dual-negotiation system you propose instead a) has never been tried in practice (which practically reduces to "can't work 1619765;1488284421;mircea_popescu; on the internet"), the closest thing is google-ish "advertising bidding" whereby google presents you with some details about a click and you have less than 300 ms to make a bid, which it matches and delivers ; b) is VERY likely to cause major delays. your system would, on the basis of pissguessing, require hourlong blocks or somesuch. 1619766;1488284683;mircea_popescu;a sixth, also major problem is that the system offers no serious guarantees to the user. think of some situations : a) i mined some bitcoin back in 2011, today i clean out the closed and boot up old laptop, to check out the tits and bits of ex gf who was back then hot and heavy into me. i jack off, and then snoop around and find a bitcoin wallet with ~500 btc in it. i go to spend it... and discover... that i know no nodes... 1619767;1488284683;mircea_popescu;and if i try to meet some... they don't roll anything down... a day later finally someone rolls something down and so i put my txn in and it... doesn't get included. wtf is this shit ? 1619768;1488284771;mircea_popescu;b) i point and laugh at some idiots. they demure. i ruin their shit. they bitch and whine. i now have to specifically go on the hunt for nodes that DON'T lend an ear to the idiots bitching and whining ? on my own time & dime ? why the everloving fuck. the entire fucking point of even having cryptocurrency in the first place is so that i can rape eth, and flaunt the rape, and nobody can do jack shit other than flimsly psychode 1619769;1488284771;mircea_popescu;fenses a la "he didn't really do it, someone else did, and he's unloved!!1" 1619770;1488284850;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ready for some answrs? 1619771;1488284851;mircea_popescu;in fact most usecases that don't reduce to "we know each other so really we don't need bitcoin in the first place" fail to be served by your scheme as it is. 1619772;1488284864;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you rather i finish first ? 4/5 done 1619773;1488284876;asciilifeform;aite, i'ma wait 1619774;1488284879;mircea_popescu;aite. 1619775;1488284893;mircea_popescu;(imagine how well this handshake'd have worked on any other venue, hurr.) 1619776;1488285104;mircea_popescu;a seventh and final problem : you now constructed a chain of casks, on top of the blockchain. consider what happens if node fails to keep his ENTIRE history of casks EVER issued : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613884 1619777;1488285104;a111;Logged on 2017-02-14 17:51 mircea_popescu: trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ? 1619778;1488285307;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, the whole segwit thing could be best described as "a rather braindamaged attempt to implement half of stan's casks" 1619779;1488285342;asciilifeform;sooo first of all, hats off to mircea_popescu for actually digesting this piece 1619780;1488285351;asciilifeform;if it was even half as painful to read, as to write. 1619781;1488285362;mircea_popescu;not bad, no. 1619782;1488285408;asciilifeform;second, while sleeping asciilifeform did realize that he had nailed down a few parts that ought to have been hinged, and hinged some parts that oughta have been nailed. 1619783;1488285438;mircea_popescu;aha. 1619784;1488285459;asciilifeform;and also oughta have expanded re the motivating factor. which, possibly, was apparent from the thread context, but ought to have been explicit: 1619785;1488285484;asciilifeform;classical bitcoin is a massive cock, with the sharp end pointed at the node. 1619786;1488285522;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's aim was to consider gedankexperiment trb-i where this cock is turned around radially, at the miner. who, reaping most of the cake, ought to also absorb the cock. 1619787;1488285535;asciilifeform;this now being said: 1619788;1488285553;mircea_popescu;yes, but here's the only important lesson of life : it is NOT POSSIBLE to adminstratively decide who are the chicks and who are the cats. 1619789;1488285562;asciilifeform;satoshi -- decided. 1619790;1488285571;asciilifeform;it is possible to flip his decision around, just the same. 1619791;1488285577;mircea_popescu;whatever attempt to "turn the cock against the man" will fizzle just as soon as man feels like it. the cockbearer is a matter of fact not a matter of convention. 1619792;1488285580;mircea_popescu;this is not so. 1619793;1488285597;mircea_popescu;"british empire decided women should be fucked -- we're a different empire, decide otherwise" 1619794;1488285603;asciilifeform;the algo put miners in the saddle. another algo can put them into the latrine where they belong. 1619795;1488285608;mircea_popescu;"no, you're a bunch of orcs with delusions of agency in others." 1619796;1488285613;asciilifeform;there is nothing inherently virile about the miner. 1619797;1488285616;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1619798;1488285625;mircea_popescu;yeah, there is. the fact that node can't reproduce miner but miner can reproduce node. 1619799;1488285639;mircea_popescu;the reason man is the head of household is that he can do juyst fine without woman ; not vice-versa. 1619800;1488285647;asciilifeform;miner cannot reproduce the tx-maker, with his fee. 1619801;1488285648;mircea_popescu;and not for lack of trying, with always the same abject results. 1619802;1488285655;mircea_popescu;tx-maker is user not node. 1619803;1488285677;asciilifeform;whole thing is about 'marketize timely tx-gathering'. 1619804;1488285696;asciilifeform;let's come back to this part; i'ma walk the list. 1619805;1488285705;mircea_popescu;it may well be argued that user is actually worst-fucked, as per 6.a or .b examples above. 1619806;1488285712;mircea_popescu;aite. 1619807;1488285798;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619755 << later realized that the protocol ought to permit returning an unfilled cask to the parent, so he can reissue it to another child. this would make for a less unforgivably-tightly-coupled system 1619808;1488285798;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 11:56 mircea_popescu: to demand miner makes a certified statement to the effect of "offset 0xa to 0xb in block y is reserved for txn 0xc" is putting a constraint on this p2p system the likes of which it can't conceivably bear. 1619809;1488285814;mircea_popescu;but now you have impossible cycles. 1619810;1488285818;asciilifeform;(cask'd be sent down to a child for an interval, if it fails to float, gets reissued) 1619811;1488285822;asciilifeform;why impossible ? 1619812;1488285826;mircea_popescu;(because as a miner you got this cask returned for the 5th time, whose head do you cut.) 1619813;1488285836;asciilifeform;the responsible child's, who else 1619814;1488285842;mircea_popescu;think, you push out 1k casks, statistically 5% will be returned > 5 times etc. 1619815;1488285845;asciilifeform;all children are responsible for their children. 1619816;1488285848;asciilifeform;unconditionally. 1619817;1488285850;mircea_popescu;nobody is responsible, everyone got the cask once. 1619818;1488285859;mircea_popescu;there isn't a "this is a 4th roll of this cask - must fill" field in your protocol. 1619819;1488285868;asciilifeform;ultimately guderian answers if the tank attack failed. 1619820;1488285872;asciilifeform;not randon hans. 1619821;1488285873;mircea_popescu;everyone gets a cask, thinks it fresh. 1619822;1488285911;asciilifeform;at whichever level of the pyramid where the '4th roll' happens - is where a child's head rolls. 1619823;1488285917;asciilifeform;this is, note, unlikely to be the top 1619824;1488285922;mircea_popescu;no look, let's go through it. 1619825;1488285928;*;asciilifeform looks... 1619826;1488285933;mircea_popescu;i am node mp. i issue 1k casks, to my 1k nodes. 1619827;1488285942;mircea_popescu;300 of these casks get returned. fair deal. 1619828;1488285954;mircea_popescu;i now issue 300 more casks, to 300 more "distant cousin" nodes. 1619829;1488285978;mircea_popescu;90 get returned AGAIN. fair deal, as far as the nodes are concerned, ie the distant cousins did nothing else nor anything worse than the original 1k. 1619830;1488285990;asciilifeform;( recall that casks have time parameters. they do not have to be promiseheighted 'for currentheight+1' immediate fill! ) 1619831;1488285991;mircea_popescu;FOR ME however, and unbeknownst to them, this is becoming a crunch. 1619832;1488286004;mircea_popescu;but they must be because i am working on block n with 1k holes in it./ 1619833;1488286044;asciilifeform;you are working on N blocks , with 1k holes each . can issue 1k * N casks, with various promiseheights. 1619834;1488286062;mircea_popescu;yes, but the problem is at lowerst N. 1619835;1488286068;asciilifeform;aite, continue 1619836;1488286080;mircea_popescu;i must ensure i get 1k filled casks for it ; but if nodes can return casks at any time, i will ALWAYS have a % of casks returned too late. 1619837;1488286095;mircea_popescu;or too many times. or howevert you wish to put it. 1619838;1488286103;asciilifeform;this is same problem that airline solves 1619839;1488286110;asciilifeform;miner does not ~have~ to roll all 1k casks. 1619840;1488286118;asciilifeform;he can self-fill a %. 1619841;1488286118;mircea_popescu;which in practice i will resolve by always overissuing by (1+sqrt(2) )*that percent. 1619842;1488286122;mircea_popescu;and which will butthurt you. 1619843;1488286130;asciilifeform;so he oversells. just like airline. 1619844;1488286134;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1619845;1488286145;asciilifeform;if he oversells excessively, he gets nailed by his downstream. which is as it ought to be. 1619846;1488286149;mircea_popescu;not "so he". by your design, he absolutely has to. 1619847;1488286155;asciilifeform;there is a reason why i specified 'fib' as a fact of life. 1619848;1488286161;mircea_popescu;this is not a merit but a dismerit of the design, as such. 1619849;1488286175;mircea_popescu;well, i read your attitude as rather negative to it. but okay. 1619850;1488286211;asciilifeform;the inevitable other side of the promise-making medal, is that the maker can break the promise. 1619851;1488286223;asciilifeform;it is not removable, sadly. 1619852;1488286235;mircea_popescu;here the case is that the design specifies he should. 1619853;1488286273;asciilifeform;the design specifies that the rate of promise-breaking is measurable. which is a prerequisite to any wotronic approach to incentivizing promise-keeping. 1619854;1488286279;mircea_popescu;understand, the principle is naturalia non sunt turpia. what this means is, that if the girl MUST go on her knees and cover her own face in semen while looking up at you, then THEREFORE it CAN NOT be "a shameful act" for a woman on her knees to cover her own face in semen while looking up. 1619855;1488286293;mircea_popescu;you can't go around picking some random parts of your spec to disavow. you put it in there. 1619856;1488286309;asciilifeform;not disavowed. probably ought to have described 'fib' more neutrally. 1619857;1488286326;mircea_popescu;well, i dunno which it is, but saying for future generations of sluts. 1619858;1488286328;asciilifeform;it is an inevitable occurrence at all levels of the pyramid, and is not fraudulent per se. 1619859;1488286380;mircea_popescu;aite. 1619860;1488286413;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619756 << the 'rotten fill' thing was simply a restatement of 'a tx is not a tx unless it is valid, and a block is not a valid block unless it consists wholly of valid tx.' cribbed straight from classical bitcoin. phrasing was, evidently, confusing. 1619861;1488286413;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 11:59 mircea_popescu: there's a different, much less notable problem wrt to what constitutes "a rotten fill". if i go to the stock market (i mean the old, gentlemany, pit of hand gestures thing) and bid "sentiments" for a certain share, i am in fact engaging in retarded behaviour, on the level of sjwing, and will, and should be kicked out. 1619862;1488286431;mircea_popescu;but you conflate two rots. 1619863;1488286443;mircea_popescu;the rot where i shit in the soup and the rot where the soup is "too expensive" iyo are not the same rot. 1619864;1488286455;mircea_popescu;both result in your not eating soup, but that as it may. 1619865;1488286470;asciilifeform;a tx, recall, is finalized (from egg to larva) ~upon receipt of rolled cask~, which means that the immediate parent immediately knows if the fee suffices. 1619866;1488286482;asciilifeform;just like he knows if the sig is invalid. 1619867;1488286494;mircea_popescu;so then why even have it. have fixed fee throughout. 1619868;1488286498;asciilifeform;so these are both verifiable at the immediately preceding-the-leaf level. 1619869;1488286510;mircea_popescu;this is hinged for no apparent reason, decorative element. 1619870;1488286523;asciilifeform;fixed ? 1619871;1488286536;mircea_popescu;well yes. cask comes with "and this much in fee", write your tx for it or return the cask. 1619872;1488286536;asciilifeform;how do you have a market, with fixed fee ? 1619873;1488286542;asciilifeform;aaaah 1619874;1488286546;mircea_popescu;same way you have a market with price lists for restaurants. 1619875;1488286557;asciilifeform;well now that casks can be floated empty, this is practical. 1619876;1488286567;asciilifeform;earlier it was 'fill this or you spilled' 1619877;1488286580;asciilifeform;i'm with mircea_popescu on this one 1619878;1488286582;mircea_popescu;EVEN THEN. 1619879;1488286590;mircea_popescu;you can still have a market. "cost of spill vs cost of fill" 1619880;1488286596;asciilifeform;tru 1619881;1488286616;mircea_popescu;see, a market is a thing of itself, not a sort of air that fills crevices you leave, but a sort of magnetic field, goes where it goes. 1619882;1488286621;asciilifeform;and this also addresses http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619762 , i think 1619883;1488286621;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 12:14 mircea_popescu: a fourth, minor point, is that you have your market primitives ass-backwards. no price formation is ever envisaged to have "asks may depend on bids" as an edulcoration of "asks are fixed ; bids are fixed" because it is always possible to produce a pricing function for the product (based on cost) whereas it's never possible to produce a pricing function for the demand (demand is a psychological, not a physical phenomenon). the 1619884;1488286643;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1619885;1488286750;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619760 << this is the biggie. you ~gotta~ have fixed-width blocks, ruat caelum, because it is the only way to not have the system grind to an exponential halt over ~decade. because it makes O(1) input verification ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618145 thread ) possible -- and - provably - no other geometry does. 1619886;1488286750;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 12:08 mircea_popescu: a third, and rather major, problem is that you will have serious trouble creating fixed width transactions in general. the reason is that the amount of information itself varies ; you can pretend to push this inconvenience all the way to the user ("hey, always use two inputs and two outputs and fu!") but it's somewhat unlikely to ever stick. 1619887;1488286750;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 19:19 asciilifeform: all input lookups are O(1). 1619888;1488286756;asciilifeform;variable-width tx is braindamage. 1619889;1488286770;asciilifeform;*fixed-width tx, rather 1619890;1488286776;asciilifeform;*fixed-width tx, rather from 2 lines up 1619891;1488286782;asciilifeform;i'll repaste, damn it 1619892;1488286786;mircea_popescu;yes, which is at least to my eyes the major objective source of satoshi bitcoin braindamage. 1619893;1488286792;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619760 << this is the biggie. you ~gotta~ have fixed-width TX, ruat caelum, because it is the only way to not have the system grind to an exponential halt over ~decade. because it makes O(1) input verification ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618145 thread ) possible -- and - provably - no other geometry does. 1619894;1488286792;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 12:08 mircea_popescu: a third, and rather major, problem is that you will have serious trouble creating fixed width transactions in general. the reason is that the amount of information itself varies ; you can pretend to push this inconvenience all the way to the user ("hey, always use two inputs and two outputs and fu!") but it's somewhat unlikely to ever stick. 1619895;1488286792;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 19:19 asciilifeform: all input lookups are O(1). 1619896;1488286816;mircea_popescu;all the rest, that he used boost, or bdb or qt, or that he doesn't know how to design or that he scratched his name in the lens can be fixed 1619897;1488286821;mircea_popescu;this, however, is not evidently fixabler. 1619898;1488286826;asciilifeform;likewise, and perhaps less obviously, multi-input and multi-output is braindamage. 1619899;1488286834;mircea_popescu;tsk. 1619900;1488286835;asciilifeform;it results in nonlocality and massive thrashing. 1619901;1488286847;mircea_popescu;but you need it for the whole thing to signify. 1619902;1488286856;asciilifeform;for what do you need it ? 1619903;1488286865;mircea_popescu;for the fact that reality. 1619904;1488286871;mircea_popescu;model an alternative. 1619905;1488286894;asciilifeform;you can replicate the effects of multi-in-multi-out using multiple single-in-single-out. 1619906;1488286903;mircea_popescu;but not in a fixed width. 1619907;1488286906;asciilifeform;at the cost of multiply txing. 1619908;1488286912;mircea_popescu;by an unspecified number. 1619909;1488286927;asciilifeform;by n tx. 1619910;1488286959;mircea_popescu;there's a reason i said 2 in 2 out. anything else is either nonmoving (1-2) or else tree pruning (2:1 ends up with a single coinbase ; 1:2 ends up with an infinity of satoshi sized coinbases you might as well stop lying about and issue outright) 1619911;1488286973;mircea_popescu;forcing all txn to be 2 in 2 out is a poor man's ring signature i guess. 1619912;1488286981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm ok with 11 in, 11 out. so long the byte block for them is FIXED. 1619913;1488286991;asciilifeform;so it can be addressed by block and offset, in O(1). 1619914;1488287000;mircea_popescu;2 in 2 out is the correct primitive, even if oyu want to move 11. 1619915;1488287004;asciilifeform;(rather than db idiocy) 1619916;1488287016;mircea_popescu;but it would ~seem~ that if you do this, then you should put in the work and make a ~proper~ ring signature scheme. 1619917;1488287029;mircea_popescu;which was the topic of yesterday's comments or w/e we talked about that. 1619918;1488287032;asciilifeform;there is no such thing, and i suspect that it can be proven that there can be no such thing 1619919;1488287035;asciilifeform;as a 'proper ring signature'. 1619920;1488287037;mircea_popescu;ergo. 1619921;1488287089;asciilifeform;the fixed-width-tx is a provable component of any long-term-sane trb-i. regardless of what other parts are included or excluded. without it, you get rapid rot. 1619922;1488287129;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suppose i have a wallet full of dust. how do i resolve the problem ? count dust / 2 txn in sqrt(count dust) tranches ? 1619923;1488287130;asciilifeform;because you then need db, which will ~necessarily~ grow slower-to-lookup in geometric progression as tx table grows. 1619924;1488287168;asciilifeform;consider how we ended up with our wallets-with-dust in classical bitcoin. 1619925;1488287171;mircea_popescu;this is a very valid point. 1619926;1488287193;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by spending bitcoin, how else ? 1619927;1488287284;asciilifeform;btw i'd argue that the fixation on 'collecting the dust' is peculiar. everyone who has ever thrown away, e.g., old mobo, or whichever electronic rubbish, has discarded many milligram of Au and more or less whole mendeleev table of rarities. 1619928;1488287301;asciilifeform;now you ~could~ boil the thing in nitric acid, try to recover it. but most folx don't -- and sleep well at night 1619929;1488287302;mircea_popescu;and then turned around and mined the garbage dump for it. 1619930;1488287313;asciilifeform;unrecoverable dust is a fact of life, not only in bitcoin. 1619931;1488287316;mircea_popescu;see... irl exact same thing happens, people throw it out until one day. 1619932;1488287383;mircea_popescu;but the fixation on collecting the dust is quite akin to the fixation on "collecting the water" in a spaceship, or for that matter with the fixation on "retaining the atmosphere" on planet earth. venus, see, didn't so much care about its dust. 1619933;1488287392;asciilifeform;this'd be the 'deflation' thread again, neh. if it ever turns into a palpable problem -- add moar decimal places. 1619934;1488287406;mircea_popescu;i thought i made it clear that's nonsense, but to revisit : 1619935;1488287446;mircea_popescu;the (false!) theory that the bitcoin unit of account is the 0.00000001 btc or satoshi is based on the batshit insane theory that a system could ever be devised that would track 21 million hundred million individual 512byte outputs. 1619936;1488287464;mircea_popescu;practically speaking on current tech the bitcoin unit of account is probably something like 0.25 1619937;1488287476;asciilifeform;aaah yes. wasn't this the earlier thread, where we determined that we already have a 'proton decay' going, and that the usable lifespan of a blockchain is -- likely -- finite ? 1619938;1488287479;mircea_popescu;you can add any decimals you want -- you can not make them work. 1619939;1488287487;asciilifeform;complexity heat death. 1619940;1488287504;mircea_popescu;well, i keep recurring this problem / most everyone is eager to glaze eyes and move on. 1619941;1488287510;asciilifeform;so it is not clear to me that 'dust' would become a problem at any rate separate from the rate of heat death. 1619942;1488287525;mircea_popescu;depends what people do with it. it's very hard to predict such stuff. 1619943;1488287525;asciilifeform;or that it is a solvable problem any more so than heat death. 1619944;1488287549;mircea_popescu;yes, well, all it needs to show is that it is a problem. you don't get to unproblem it. 1619945;1488287574;mircea_popescu;problem -- is interested in you. 1619946;1488287589;asciilifeform;can show that it is simply part of the existing unsolvable heat death problem. 1619947;1488287610;mircea_popescu;showing woman another light in which her current husband appears a shitbag does not give her a new husband. 1619948;1488287615;asciilifeform;tru! 1619949;1488287659;asciilifeform;but to demonstrate to woman that she is unfit for husbands, and ought to proceed to cat accumulation, can be a valuable gift. 1619950;1488287681;mircea_popescu;i think the notion is generallyt accepted, under the broad heading "bitcoin is a prototype" 1619951;1488287692;asciilifeform;possibly. 1619952;1488287702;mircea_popescu;!!key Neephonite 1619953;1488287703;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5B4303E5885827E06BFA4BD10FE8E7F85B975C5F.asc 1619954;1488287738;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619766 << classical bitcoin likewise makes 0 guarantees to the user. 1619955;1488287738;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 12:24 mircea_popescu: a sixth, also major problem is that the system offers no serious guarantees to the user. think of some situations : a) i mined some bitcoin back in 2011, today i clean out the closed and boot up old laptop, to check out the tits and bits of ex gf who was back then hot and heavy into me. i jack off, and then snoop around and find a bitcoin wallet with ~500 btc in it. i go to spend it... and discover... that i know no nodes... 1619956;1488287757;asciilifeform;'what if i know no nodes' was a problem there as well. 1619957;1488287768;asciilifeform;the only solution is 'know some nodes', srsly 1619958;1488287780;asciilifeform;'i wanna fuck, but i know 0 chix' 1619959;1488287791;asciilifeform;'i wanna play chess, but i know 0 chessplayers' 1619960;1488287802;asciilifeform;only 1 pill against this - meet people. 1619961;1488287817;mircea_popescu;but bitcoin is a lot more promiscuous about it. you want marriage, bitcoin does the "handjob in theatre / quick fuck alley behind bar" thing 1619962;1488287849;asciilifeform;with unmeasurable and hidden failures, most egregiously, selective mining of tx. 1619963;1488287872;asciilifeform;whereas here you can keep tabs on kept/unkept promises. 1619964;1488287892;asciilifeform;which brings us to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619776 : 1619965;1488287892;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 12:31 mircea_popescu: a seventh and final problem : you now constructed a chain of casks, on top of the blockchain. consider what happens if node fails to keep his ENTIRE history of casks EVER issued : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613884 1619966;1488287930;asciilifeform;here we have another piece where i used a nail instead of a hinge. 1619967;1488288026;asciilifeform;it is not strictly necessary to transmit rsa-signed tickets (and then store the bulky stuff in casks for all time.) if you are content to have promise-keeping be ~measurable~ at each particular level of the pyramid, and to the children and parents of that level strictly, and that it not be opposable -- then you do not in fact need these signatures 1619968;1488288041;asciilifeform;the miner's publication of W in the block will suffice then. 1619969;1488288156;asciilifeform;those who were issued H(H(....)) of the outputs of Q, will see whether what they got rolled corresponded to one of these, or was a sham; or that they were rolled a particular ticket, but it ended up carrying ~someone else's~ tx as cask fill. 1619970;1488288178;mircea_popescu;they would. 1619971;1488288182;asciilifeform;all of the various types of broken promises, would still be detectable, but 1) strictly to those whom they immediately affected and 2) unopposably. 1619972;1488288201;asciilifeform;the savings in mass may justify this. 1619973;1488288253;mircea_popescu;what odds do you give it this entire infrastructure of detectable unopposable broken promisery will be jetissoned at first opportunity by everyone involved ? 1619974;1488288268;asciilifeform;'i give you a republic, if you can keep it' (tm) (r) (somebody) 1619975;1488288274;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : 90% of design work must be spent in the above loop.) 1619976;1488288314;asciilifeform;recall, this is not a decorative item, it gives very real bang-for-the-buck -- for instance, the complete abolition of the idiocy known as mempool 1619977;1488288348;asciilifeform;likewise, since we have a defined down- and up- stream, we can have sane block propagation mechanics. 1619978;1488288358;mircea_popescu;"marriage gives real bang for the buck, like the complete abolition of foam parties and blindfold orgies" 1619979;1488288359;mircea_popescu;dude... 1619980;1488288359;asciilifeform;an item i forgot entirely to mention in the original piece. 1619981;1488288378;asciilifeform;mempool is braindamaged by virtue of being an 'allcomers' pissoire 1619982;1488288384;mircea_popescu;people LIKE stranger's skin, way the fuck more than they like their spouses. 1619983;1488288407;asciilifeform;i have 0 fondness for the mempool, it is 99% rubbish, and uniquely retarded means of accomplishing what it was meant to accomplish 1619984;1488288427;mircea_popescu;like democracy ? 1619985;1488288433;asciilifeform;aha. 1619986;1488288437;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1619987;1488288444;asciilifeform;and the existence of some public pissoire that will necessarily accept a given piss of mine, is promisetronic 1619988;1488288474;mircea_popescu;yeah, i suppose that's why you never went to any wash dc orgies. but lots of people find the promise sufficient. 1619989;1488288489;asciilifeform;and many people find donkey fucking sufficient. 1619990;1488288498;asciilifeform;the very ideal, in fact, of fucking. 1619991;1488288507;asciilifeform;what can i say, tastes vary.. 1619992;1488288558;mircea_popescu;i used to think this is principally a figure of speech, then i saw a dude fucking a misfortunate husky. 1619993;1488288602;mircea_popescu;incredibly, mindblowingly, the dog's expression was EXACTLY that of a very bored girlfriend/wife. how the fuck is this even possbile is beyond me. 1619994;1488288644;*;asciilifeform can picture this. 1619995;1488288816;mircea_popescu;it's in teh logs. 1619996;1488289108;asciilifeform;to wind it up, the casks algo is asciilifeform's attempt at the 'high vacuum pump' from earlier -- to get the max possible removal of something-to-allcomers element , to the extent possible without running an entirely closed wotronic system (and consequently turning into visa or swift) 1619997;1488289166;mircea_popescu;it's not altogether clear to me how such a thing is an improvement over "just run your current trb through the future gossipd" 1619998;1488289187;asciilifeform;O(1) verification, for one. 1619999;1488289228;mircea_popescu;from the fixed txn ? 1620000;1488289232;asciilifeform;aha. 1620001;1488289252;asciilifeform;the castration of the miner, for other. if he bitbetates, he can be nailed. 1620002;1488289260;mircea_popescu;and ? 1620003;1488289292;asciilifeform;and his place will be taken by a miner who knows that a miner's place is on his knees, in the kitchen. 1620004;1488289306;mircea_popescu;o, really ? 1620005;1488289367;asciilifeform;granted, the stupidity of users knows no limit. at least i for one do not know its limit. but if i make mircoscope, and monkeys - use it for a hammer - what's to do. 1620006;1488289383;asciilifeform;iirc even satoshi lived long enough to barf. 1620007;1488289396;mircea_popescu;so you're in favour of the m design rather than the ak. 1620008;1488289411;asciilifeform;the original bitcoin is the m. 1620009;1488289417;asciilifeform;it gums up with liquishit of its own emission. 1620010;1488289424;mircea_popescu;"but if i make mircoscope, and monkeys - use it for a hammer - what's to do." 1620011;1488289463;asciilifeform;perhaps not the best analogy. i make rifle, and monkey uses it for hammer, he has nfi where is the trigger or which end is the business end -- monkey's problem , not mine. 1620012;1488289530;asciilifeform;i proposed a mechanism with minimal somethingtoallcomers, and correctly-balanced, imho, incentives. it remains to other folx, to ~dispose~, neh. 1620013;1488290432;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D811C6AAB183D8651D006FEFC43E6E027A4EA5DF7DCF24505D01850BFE9B6465 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1740...3313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.174.228.145 (ssh-rsa key from 95.174.228.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (145-228-174-95-pool.cable.fcom.ch. CH BE) 1620014;1488290432;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D811C6AAB183D8651D006FEFC43E6E027A4EA5DF7DCF24505D01850BFE9B6465 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1634...1607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.174.228.145 (ssh-rsa key from 95.174.228.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (145-228-174-95-pool.cable.fcom.ch. CH BE) 1620015;1488290535;mircea_popescu;to briefly revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619936 : idiotcy like spending a fraction of this "technological unit of account" is currently punished by high relative fees like the case of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619097 "oh noes i tried to pay 25 bux, ended up charged 6%". 1620016;1488290535;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: practically speaking on current tech the bitcoin unit of account is probably something like 0.25 1620017;1488290535;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 16:27 shinohai: https://twitter.com/crainbf/status/836170461016903680 1620018;1488290569;mircea_popescu;the solution is either an improvement in the technology (such as, going from bdb to bfs as discussed here etc), which will lower it somewhat, or otherwise the indicated : stop being poor. 1620019;1488290589;mircea_popescu;the limit on "smallest bitcoin payment" is very emphatically NOT in the user's hands. 1620020;1488290917;asciilifeform;thing is, there is no good reason to assign the cake that a tech improvement yields, to the stinking poor. 1620021;1488290928;asciilifeform;this was the mega-lesson of industrial era, neh. 1620022;1488290933;asciilifeform;all you get is moar stink. 1620023;1488290984;asciilifeform;i for one would actually rather that my cpu heat the room , than handle redditor's pissdusttx. 1620024;1488291034;asciilifeform;if it i buy a new, more efficient cpu, that heats the room less with each cycle, but the gained cycles are used to maintain the self-delusion of redditors -- this is a loss, not a gain ! 1620025;1488291435;mircea_popescu;this for one side of the matter. 1620026;1488291459;mircea_popescu;for the other side of the matter, if you never take dumb 15 yos out for a night on the town, whence the crop of 19yo accomplished cocksuckers is to come ? 1620027;1488291480;asciilifeform;from your servant's quarters? 1620028;1488291496;mircea_popescu;eventually you will find that something somewhere still heats your room. 1620029;1488291600;mircea_popescu;it is one thing to not permit the infantile to interact with you ~on their own terms~. this, i wholeheartedly support. it is quite another thing however to not permit the ifnantile to interact with you at all. this is insupportable. 1620030;1488291635;asciilifeform;let'em interact, on your terms. 1620031;1488291650;mircea_popescu;(it is also in the end the mother-father distinction ; mother permits at least some interaction on the infant's own terms.) 1620032;1488291934;mircea_popescu;to make the story round, alf : there is ample record, not just re antinisca nemour's stinky feet, but in general regarding the women of the 70s and before. they didn't wash. what i have to deal with today in say http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537246 is the tail end of a half century process that BEGAN with exactly this, "sharing the fruits of industry", in this case hollywood, with people unfit to make the wot lists. all 1620033;1488291934;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 15:33 mircea_popescu: you would be surprised how many girls have to be taught how to wash. 1620034;1488291934;mircea_popescu;the girlies that didn't get to see deepthroat but worshipped "stars". 1620035;1488291943;mircea_popescu;and similarily with math, and with other things. there's some leakage. 1620036;1488291959;asciilifeform;imho it is not unreasonable to ask that kid save up his coinz until tx fee doesn't dwarf his payload. just as it is not unreasonable to ask chick to grow before qualifying for mircea_popescuation. 1620037;1488292013;mircea_popescu;there's a dubious romanian film, "the death of mr lazarescu", in which a very professional doctor sends the orderlies to take the man out for a half hour spin until his subdural hematoma has progressed to a state where it's worth his scalpel. 1620038;1488292037;asciilifeform;sounds like american 'health insurance' 1620039;1488292046;mircea_popescu;ceteris paribus i'd rather take a clueless teen than the confused twentysomething she naturally produces. 1620040;1488292047;asciilifeform;'come back when yer halfdead' 1620041;1488292193;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent - deepthroat, a movie of dubious pornographic merits, was produced by the mob and released through the mob's own wot. that you saw it in the 70s meant you were cool, period and full stop. even if you saw it in between gangbangs as an american version of carol.) 1620042;1488292444;asciilifeform;sorta was the original point of a school, neh. a reasonably safe reservation where 'chix who have not yet learned to wash' can lean to wash, without creating dangers to self and others. 1620043;1488292456;asciilifeform;naggum had a thing or two re subj. 1620044;1488292502;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582699 << thread ) 1620045;1488292502;a111;Logged on 2016-12-13 15:53 mircea_popescu: "to advance it is at serious odds with the massive glorification of youth. As marketing found itself unable to expand without encroaching upon our childhood, the intense drive to capture the minds of the youngest among us has tended to make people believe that 30 years of experience can be replaced by the young looks of rank novices. This is made worse by the management schools that make it possible for people who have yet 1620046;1488292634;asciilifeform;i for one do not much care whether they 'take remedial class remedial in washing' in a specially-designated leprosorium , or in mircea_popescu's cellar; just for so long as the non-washers do not get to redefine what washing means. 1620047;1488292656;mircea_popescu;heh. 1620048;1488292660;mircea_popescu;you fucking koschei you. 1620049;1488292672;mircea_popescu;how could the kids not redefine what fucking means ? 1620050;1488292698;asciilifeform;hey modern usa is what you get when prepubertal chix 'redefine what fucking means' 1620051;1488292738;mircea_popescu;this is not a fair statement. modern "western world" / "our democracy" is what you get when girls are ineptly forced to shoulder the WHOLE task. 1620052;1488292756;mircea_popescu;they can't mature on their own ; nor can they construct a working society on their own. this is neither shocking nor worth the mention. 1620053;1488292764;mircea_popescu;from here to "no input whatosever" is a length. 1620054;1488292779;mircea_popescu;for instance : the younger sluts grow bigger tits than used to be the norm. they redefine it alright. 1620055;1488292794;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has an article with springs and ratchets, iirc, aha 1620056;1488292974;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack : it is entirely healthy for kidz to 'redefine what means washing' ~when they grow up~. but not while they are nonwashing 5yo. 1620057;1488292999;mircea_popescu;rather the correct cut is that they get to define it physically, rather than consciously. 1620058;1488293005;asciilifeform;just as it is healthy to grasp, e.g., euclid, before you go on to lobachevskyate. 1620059;1488293021;mircea_popescu;which is why the example given was "bigger tits" not "niunamenos" 1620060;1488293030;asciilifeform;aha 1620061;1488293048;asciilifeform;(or 'i found out about bitcoin, and now i will fix it!1!!') 1620062;1488293071;mircea_popescu;bout the same thing, occupy wallstreet, black lives matter, student choice in education, i will fix bitcoin, 1620063;1488293080;mircea_popescu;same exact nonsense, "i'll talk about things i don't know" 1620064;1488293132;mircea_popescu;in random lulz : tje original "gone wild" reference comes from dorky ny judge who condemned deep throat. "a sodom gone wild before the fire". 1620065;1488294909;mircea_popescu;and in today's ancient trilema installment, http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ 1620066;1488295568;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu to revisit upstack : there is a serious mistake in my casks.txt , that i did not spot until now: 1620067;1488295625;asciilifeform;in the original text, a leaf signs ticket that was made from H(T(H(T(....))) . this is disastrously wrong, because it does not cement the relays' payment addrs into the final signed tx 1620068;1488295654;asciilifeform;it ought to have read : H(T0+A0+H(T1+A1+H(...))) 1620069;1488295677;asciilifeform;because otherwise! any upstream node (incl. miner) could rob any downstream node. 1620070;1488295757;asciilifeform;~now~ the cask-chain is a proper, nonpromisetronic chain, cemented in the end by the leaf's seal. 1620071;1488295896;asciilifeform;specifically, in section 5, where we have T'_i = H(T_i) ought to read instead : T'_i = H(A'_i+T_i). 1620072;1488296069;asciilifeform;likewise, in sect. 6 i ought to have explicitly stated that Z is a sig that covers not only I,O,C,F,Q but also T. perhaps this is evident to alert reader - but ought to have been explicit. 1620073;1488297726;asciilifeform;in other noose, https://archive.is/Rw5QK << 'The "Beat the Boss phone" is an £27 micro-telephone built into a Bluetooth headset with only trace amounts of metal in its construction; it is lozenge-shaped and is designed to be rectally smuggled into prisons, jails and courtrooms.' 1620074;1488300026;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619020 continued >>>>>>> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache_moar.txt 1620075;1488300026;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 14:52 asciilifeform: in other noose, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache.txt << the cache thing, to current time 1620076;1488300453;asciilifeform;as if it were not sad enough to have a block that takes ~12 minutes (!) to save, 1620077;1488300478;asciilifeform;it also evicts cache entries, so that the ~next~ block can take 8, and the next.. 1620078;1488300647;asciilifeform;variable-width tx, the 'gift' that 'keeps on giving' ! 1620079;1488300787;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EEDA92A01CD1A089989EA1C9D2118859D5A4D0D8251D532BE5C5ECA6BFD0ADE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...1157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.19.216.3 (ssh-rsa key from 212.19.216.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cmail2.intouch.net. NL) 1620080;1488300788;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EEDA92A01CD1A089989EA1C9D2118859D5A4D0D8251D532BE5C5ECA6BFD0ADE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...1463 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.19.216.3 (ssh-rsa key from 212.19.216.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cmail2.intouch.net. NL) 1620081;1488301054;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619935 << incidentally it now occurs to me that danielpbarron's vectorized-coin solves this problem. (picture the quantized an-addr-is-born-when-a-block-is-mined-and-changes-hands-via-sigs scheme, from old thread; but with the twist that you can mine a variety of different sizes of coin. which remain fixed at selfsame size for all of eternity; they merely change owners.) 1620082;1488301054;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 13:10 mircea_popescu: the (false!) theory that the bitcoin unit of account is the 0.00000001 btc or satoshi is based on the batshit insane theory that a system could ever be devised that would track 21 million hundred million individual 512byte outputs. 1620083;1488301059;asciilifeform;so you thereby solve fragging. 1620084;1488301150;asciilifeform;( the most obvious down-side is : that now you can end up in a situation of asking someone ~for change~ -- as if you were in a shop, in meatspace ... ) 1620085;1488301251;asciilifeform;( for utter pedantic completeness, i will also link back to one other solution to fragging: 'gravitation' : thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-28#1609013 ) 1620086;1488301251;a111;Logged on 2017-01-28 03:24 asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608577 << here's one crackpot method: implement 'gravitation'. analogously to physical one. i.e. an agglomeration of coin is worth ~more~ than selfsame coin in fragged form. quantifiably, in some straightforward way. 1620087;1488301266;mircea_popescu;not the worst of situations, though it does fuck over a lot of typically cryptocoin usecases. 1620088;1488301359;asciilifeform;note that it does not cancel the heat death of the universe -- you still have the infinite pile of blox 1620089;1488301364;asciilifeform;..but! no frag. 1620090;1488302648;asciilifeform;in other lulzfests, http://n-gate.com 1620091;1488303071;asciilifeform;'Some moron "optimizes" a feature of a text editor that is written in javascript and requires hundreds of megabytes of memory to open an empty file. Hackernews recommends you switch to this editor, or away from this editor, or anything, just switch. Whatever you're doing isn't what they're doing: fix it. In accordance with Federal law, one Hackernews implemented the feature in question in Rust.' 1620092;1488303079;asciilifeform;'Some foreigners do forex. Hackernews is not impressed with this ancient idea. They could have done it better, but they're not going to bother trying.' 1620093;1488303081;asciilifeform;many lulzgems. 1620094;1488303141;asciilifeform;'A Hackernews begs for advice on getting anyone at all to pay attention to his shit. The answer is unanimous: spam. Not even considered: making attention-worthy shit.' 1620095;1488303205;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1620096;1488303217;asciilifeform;collection of lulsummaries of d00d who reads hn. 1620097;1488304009;asciilifeform;'Someone considers Barack Obama, a politician whose largest undertaking involved a failed healthcare IT deployment, and member of a political party known for hemorrhaging private data, eminently qualified to discuss safe policies for artificial intelligence practice. Hackernews divides into two groups. The first group performs the traditional election-cycle political shit opera for six hours. The second group debates whether artifici 1620098;1488304009;asciilifeform;al intelligence will kill us all, or whether everything will turn out fine just as long as we continue to monitor the living shit out of every single human being alive, in order to feed the machines. A Hackernews suspects Obama quoted Mao, and everyone reassures each other it's probably fine.' ( http://n-gate.com/hackernews/2016/10/14/0 ) 1620099;1488304067;mircea_popescu;honestly i kinda lost interest once it was about shithead news. 1620100;1488304098;asciilifeform;it is in the same sense that 2016 trilema is about clitler. 1620101;1488304117;asciilifeform;or 2015 b-a was about gavin & hearn 1620102;1488304139;asciilifeform;at any rate -- strictly entomological collection. 1620103;1488304167;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1620104;1488304520;asciilifeform;site reminded me heavily of ben_vulpes's laments. 1620105;1488304550;asciilifeform;style reminiscent of his, also. wonder if d00dz know one another in the meat. 1620106;1488305176;mircea_popescu;and in other news susan sontag is fucking retarded. 1620107;1488305188;asciilifeform;whosthat 1620108;1488305201;mircea_popescu;i dunno, one of the supposedly intellectual libertard dorks. 1620109;1488305203;shinohai;joo 1620110;1488305210;mircea_popescu;wrote an essay on "camp" which is fucking terrible. 1620111;1488305228;shinohai;I had to read that horror in Hugh School. 1620112;1488305229;mircea_popescu;"11. Camp is the triumph of the epicene style. (The convertibility of "man" and "woman," "person" and "thing.") But all style, that is, artifice, is, ultimately, epicene. Life is not stylish. Neither is nature." 1620113;1488305243;mircea_popescu;this is how you get a D in any half-decent highschool. 1620114;1488305269;mircea_popescu;"bitch, essay does not mean making baseless enunciations in the thick hand of a fucking peasant." 1620115;1488305323;shinohai;I got a day of ISS because I said she was in the wrong camp. 1620116;1488305333;mircea_popescu;what's iss ? 1620117;1488305344;shinohai;In-School_suspension 1620118;1488305351;mircea_popescu;o.O 1620119;1488305383;mircea_popescu;anyway, the notion that nature isn't stylish can only come out of somebody who has put absolutely no work whatsoever into studying nature. half an hour in the microbiology lab should permanently disabuse one of the notion. 1620120;1488305425;mircea_popescu;in fact the entire substance, such as it is, of "i fucking love science" contemporary idiocy is exactly that, "omaigerd nature is stylish!" 1620121;1488305593;mircea_popescu;and before anyone attempots the historical gambit, "but mp, that's not what it is, but it's what they thought in 1960", gimme a break. that's what INEPT AND LAZY BUT AMBITIOUS GIRLIES thought. much like poor people think "rich people can;'t be happy", as a cheap and useless psychological defense. 1620122;1488305596;*;asciilifeform read 'i got a day of iss' , thinks 'damn, launched to international space station, what atrocity' 1620123;1488305623;mircea_popescu;she's the fucking http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-20#1615848 of 1960, pretending not to be an "engineer" but an "essay writer" on the exact fucking basis : "oh someone hit on me" 1620124;1488305623;a111;Logged on 2017-02-20 00:22 danielpbarron: https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber >> they said that I didn't show any signs of an upward career trajectory. I pointed out that I was publishing a book with O'Reilly, speaking at major tech conferences, and doing all of the things that you're supposed to do to have an "upward career trajectory", but they said it didn't matter and I needed to prove myself as an engineer. 1620125;1488305816;mircea_popescu;!!key Omraphantom 1620126;1488305818;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/DAC3B67896D60D1C04B8C564F5C066865A04421B.asc 1620127;1488306290;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ZAnHt << in other unsurprises 1620128;1488306356;mircea_popescu;wasn't that obvious ? 1620129;1488306364;asciilifeform;id'vethunkso 1620130;1488306441;mircea_popescu;all those fistbumped janitors etcetera, why the fuck else were they there ? 1620131;1488306495;asciilifeform;well yes. and they're still there, and will be there next year, because mr.t doesn't, evidently, own a magical Wand of 1937 1620132;1488306520;asciilifeform;or he would've swung it by nao, i suspect 1620133;1488306538;mircea_popescu;so far they're helping more than they hinder. 1620134;1488306555;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619750 << people make it sound like it's some kind of interactive burlesque, cept I hear not so much as a bare tit swings free 1620135;1488306555;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 11:30 mircea_popescu: wtf "nothing sexual happens". in a fucking theatre ? that's insanity. 1620136;1488306563;trinque;prototypical "safe place" 1620137;1488306572;asciilifeform;oh hai trinque 1620138;1488306582;trinque;asciilifeform: good day to you sir! 1620139;1488306610;mircea_popescu;trinque i don't think i ever went to a cinema with a girl that wouldn't take stuff off. not past the age of 13 in any case, or as an independent agent, or however you put it. 1620140;1488306628;asciilifeform;in re mr.t lulz, 'Trump will continue his losing streak if he keeps Bannon at his side, WSJ says in blistering editorial. Hits against President Donald Trump's senior counselor Steve Bannon are circulating Tuesday morning, with “Morning Joe” host Joe Scarborough saying it's “hard to find a more villainous historical figure this side of Stalin or Hitler.' 1620141;1488306634;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1620142;1488306638;mircea_popescu;lights go out and tits come out, wtf. 1620143;1488306650;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, losing streak is it. 1620144;1488306673;mircea_popescu;really, they went straight back to the october pipe, that's all they got ? i thought it was going to be protests and revolutions and whatnot. 1620145;1488306682;asciilifeform;on one hand, yes pigs squealing. on other - they aren't actually in a meat yard, nobody's rendering'em 1620146;1488306689;asciilifeform;sadly. 1620147;1488306692;mircea_popescu;five weeks of half-assed not-really-trying "irony" and back to denial ? 1620148;1488306696;mircea_popescu;pitiful schmucks. 1620149;1488306729;mircea_popescu;whatever, dude's going to go right back to a "losing streak" which is seeing cuts to libertard state ~= to the entire education budget. 1620150;1488306733;mircea_popescu;such losing. 1620151;1488306802;trinque;fire bannon, lol 1620152;1488306810;trinque;he's half of what got elected at least 1620153;1488306880;trinque;I watched a talk he gave in 2016 sometime, subtext sounded like "real change comes on the other side of a currency crisis" 1620154;1488306899;*;trinque sees if he can find 1620155;1488306930;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nTd2ZAX_tc << idiotic title. 1620156;1488306978;asciilifeform;and noshit.jpg, they hate the d00d -- closest thing mr.t's wot has to a brain 1620157;1488307125;trinque;nothing particularly mind-blowing about bannon's apparrent strategy either. "we can never pay back the imaginary fiat-denominated debt" so we'd better juice the fuck out of what military we have while there's time. 1620158;1488307232;*;trinque cannot find the log line from mircea_popescu re: developing economy and deficit spending, but mr bannon apparently heard him 1620159;1488308653;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu didja ever explain how your algo from http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol deals with the nonlinearity of the chain ? (the orphan stublets - discarded ? and if so, when exactly. because there are points in time where two traditional-bitcoin nodes disagree on what 'all blocks to date, linearly ordered' were. ) 1620160;1488308653;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1620161;1488308722;asciilifeform;^ if anyone recalls the 'eatblock' thread -- i found that my blkxxxx.dat differed, in a handful of places, from mircea_popescu's, and yet again from every other trb node's. 1620162;1488308775;asciilifeform;everbody, it turned out, had slightly different orphanchain-stubble. 1620163;1488309315;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: not in my wot, no 1620164;1488309371;asciilifeform;lolk 1620165;1488309409;ben_vulpes;trinque: in portland, when i was a wee one, they were a deliberately not-as-raunchy-as-they-could-be bdsm-lite-junior-queers-and-thespians social club 1620166;1488309453;ben_vulpes;some grooming and recruiting obviously 1620167;1488309462;ben_vulpes;tits and spankings frequently 1620168;1488309493;trinque;oic 1620169;1488309555;ben_vulpes;i attended one sometime in the last five years, and it'd been sadly neutered and taken over by the mayos 1620170;1488310075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a single block for each height, what are you talking about. 1620171;1488310094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. go, look. 1620172;1488310097;asciilifeform;there's stubble. 1620173;1488310103;mircea_popescu;... 1620174;1488310104;asciilifeform;(orphanola retained indefinitely.) 1620175;1488310116;mircea_popescu;there is one single #411110 block. 1620176;1488310126;asciilifeform;iirc there were at least 3. 1620177;1488310129;mircea_popescu;similarly one single 411109 and 411111 block 1620178;1488310142;mircea_popescu;you must be running a weird bitcoin. 1620179;1488310163;asciilifeform;(0, of course, in a reprocessed blockchain -- that is, one that's been spitblocked and immediately eatblocked by fresh node) 1620180;1488310200;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had this thread, trb retains orphaned branches of any and every size, because it never goes back to remove anything from ~inside~ a blkxxxx.dat . 1620181;1488310203;asciilifeform;under any circumstances. 1620182;1488310230;mircea_popescu;whatever it retains outside the blockchain aren't blocks. 1620183;1488310239;mircea_popescu;kinda the whole point of having a chain. 1620184;1488310243;asciilifeform;they aren't marked as 'outside' tho 1620185;1488310265;asciilifeform;take the example of a fresh forked-end . which prong is 'outside' ? 1620186;1488310270;mircea_popescu;i'm not in the business of telling clerks how to run their office. it is clear what the blockchain is, no further explanation is needed. 1620187;1488310286;mircea_popescu;if anyone has issues resolving which string of bits is block n, that someone is invited to fix his hear, his node or both. 1620188;1488310301;asciilifeform;you can't simply 'administratively' declare a tree to be a chain. gotta specify a linearization that works on ~all~ possible states of the tree. 1620189;1488310304;asciilifeform;or you're whipping the sea. 1620190;1488310349;asciilifeform;fwiw it's linearizable if you ignore last-N... 1620191;1488310367;asciilifeform;(how many is N ? i have nfi.. mircea_popescu remembers a time when n was 60, iirc from last night thread) 1620192;1488310371;mircea_popescu;at all points the blockchain is a linear string of blocks though. 1620193;1488310401;mircea_popescu;whether your opinion changes as to which exact blocks is not germane. to mine on chain a you use n and to mine on chain a' you use n'. 1620194;1488310417;mircea_popescu;ie, this is an entirely mental problem, manufactured out of thin air. dun exist in the actual thing. 1620195;1488310424;asciilifeform;orphaned chains dun exist ? 1620196;1488310433;mircea_popescu;orphaned chains dun matter. 1620197;1488310476;mircea_popescu;if at position n-1 two possible candidate blocks could be n, then in order to extend n1 you will have to consider the blockchain as consistying of n1, and in order to extend n2 you will have to consider the blockchain as consisting of n2. 1620198;1488310480;asciilifeform;hm, now that i think about it, when using mircea_popescu's algo, you take your current chain to be the linearization. and if your chain gets orphaned, you consequently get a new linearization. 1620199;1488310480;mircea_popescu;there's no ambiguity. 1620200;1488310484;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu is right. 1620201;1488310488;mircea_popescu;yes. 1620202;1488310500;asciilifeform;nm, dun need any moar algo, this one worx. 1620203;1488310524;asciilifeform;and imho is massively nifty. 1620204;1488310528;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1620205;1488311184;BingoBoingo;Oh the Trump flensing knife lulz come out tonight, while still digesting trb-i theory. What a time to be live! 1620206;1488311259;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: keep in mind, it's ~a possible~ trb-i, not ~the~... thing's quite certainly still in 'matrix mechanics' stage of life, and who knows, for how long. 1620207;1488311341;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In my mind trb-i is discussion piece. Ideal may be impossible. trb-i may end up being way to consider idea for trb-b which suceeds trb-a (a is for arse) 1620208;1488311463;mircea_popescu;trb-tits 1620209;1488311491;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, the great tuscan salami scandal has 992 views on dumbtube. 1620210;1488311505;mircea_popescu;i guess it must not be very good. 1620211;1488311726;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'ideal' objects are at least in principle ~possible~ in programming, it is sorta the ~only appeal of the work at all . 1620212;1488311735;BingoBoingo; trb-tits << I thought that was shinohai's fork 1620213;1488311779;asciilifeform;so, for concrete example, a verifier that runs in O(1), is 'ideal', it is definitionally impossible to beat O(1). 1620214;1488311799;asciilifeform;(constantwankery cycle shaving aside) 1620215;1488311800;shinohai;BingoBoingo: I'm trying but I get 90% "Bigger" tit blocks 1620216;1488311808;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I though the appeal of programming work was a porsche in the driveway for one's blue haired silicon valley transpig 1620217;1488311832;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo is posting from 1980s or wut 1620218;1488311864;BingoBoingo;Geographically, yes. Very 1980's 1620219;1488311931;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-fag-joke/ << Trilema - The fag joke. 1620220;1488311988;danielpbarron;in other upward career trajectories https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5slbU6WAAAwj9y?format=jpg&name=large 1620221;1488312479;mircea_popescu;so apparently cum snorting is a thing. 1620222;1488312503;BingoBoingo;In the city I hear the convert it to the freebase and smoke it 1620223;1488312590;mircea_popescu;and in other alt-successful-living, http://68.media.tumblr.com/3152999915e71b0f02ef9d312937441e/tumblr_nkmhpd11pm1tstx4jo6_400.gif 1620224;1488313935;mircea_popescu;holy shit, the imbecile lists FUCKING NAPOLEON among "truth, beauty and seriousness" ? the dude with the white dickpants ? THE CAMPIEST CHARACTER OF ALL HISTORY ?! 1620225;1488313950;mircea_popescu;who can take "feminist intellectuals" seriously, i wish to know ? 1620226;1488313958;mircea_popescu;they're without exception barely literate. 1620227;1488314023;mircea_popescu; http://68.media.tumblr.com/eba3b221f7bfbce91d3da8e72c16de71/tumblr_mong7m7z1P1s340tzo1_1280.jpg << essayist, thinker, intellectual and american culture icon of greater depth and importance than susan sontag. 1620228;1488314039;mircea_popescu;also camp expert. 1620229;1488317566;mircea_popescu;and in other heroku wins, https://archive.is/uzSfB 1620230;1488317601;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i see an eggog 1620231;1488317814;mircea_popescu;aha. 1620232;1488317884;ben_vulpes;oh is heroli down as well? 1620233;1488317893;ben_vulpes;i heard parts of the bezosnet went out 1620234;1488317946;trinque;big s3 outage 1620235;1488317957;mircea_popescu;awws 1620236;1488317961;trinque;lel 1620237;1488317974;mircea_popescu;but how is it possibru! 1620238;1488318458;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iCYcl/?raw=true 1620239;1488318458;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1620240;1488318479;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/SYwUr 1620241;1488318516;ben_vulpes;bad day for der clerd 1620242;1488319978;asciilifeform;in other lelz, 'PARIS - A sniper mistakenly fired his weapon during a Thursday speech by President François Hollande in southwestern France, slightly injuring two people, according to a regional official.' 1620243;1488320486;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/zElXA << in other lulz, mr.t utters the Officially Unutterable ! 1620244;1488320498;asciilifeform;'Trump Appears to Suggest Bomb Threats Against Jews Are False Flags' OHNOEZX!!! 1620245;1488322917;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1620246;1488322982;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/02/great-flood-exhibit-becomes-great-leak-for-home-county/ << Qntra - Great Flood Exhibit Becomes Great Leak For Home County 1620247;1488323021;asciilifeform;lel! 1620248;1488323033;*;asciilifeform had nfi that ^ folx were still in business 1620249;1488323056;asciilifeform;iirc they were a bush-ii-era headline 1620250;1488323058;*;BingoBoingo deliciously dirty today after filling raised beds 1620251;1488323061;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA 1620252;1488324313;shinohai;o/ ty BingoBoingo 1620253;1488325673;BingoBoingo;for ben_vulpes inevitable curiosity used 4 cu ft. med texture vermicultie, 3 cu ft. peat moss, 300 lbs (~6.7 cu ft.) composted cow manure, and assorted bags of clearance potting soil that apparently did not sell last year (~ 6 cu ft, mostly Dr "earth" brand) 1620254;1488325706;BingoBoingo;After some weather will likely add more vermiculite and peat 1620255;1488325798;BingoBoingo;Oh, and a little bit of leftover clay midsoil was worked in near bottom 1620256;1488325822;BingoBoingo;No charcoal was used in this production 1620257;1488325860;ben_vulpes;my 'experts' suggested fish compost, coconut coir instead of peat, pumice, rice hulls, misc. fertilizer and rabbit manure 1620258;1488325919;ben_vulpes;if i have time and energy, i'll be experimenting with the pickled food waste compost + charcoal in a different corner of the yard, in planters to mitigate externalities 1620259;1488325990;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes's 'how do i get rid of my rubbish in this shithole where city charges 10bux/pound' reminds asciilifeform of asciilifeform's shed gymnastics. in that both are problems that 'sane folx' would solve by... moving 1620260;1488326032;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: coir is fail hippy dippy shit that they only push because "renewable" 1620261;1488326161;BingoBoingo;And for installation with > 1 year life expectance vermiculite has better mineral content that integrates into you new "soil" structure 1620262;1488326236;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: has nothing to do with cost of disposal 1620263;1488326270;ben_vulpes;getting right with the dirt spirits, though 1620264;1488326284;BingoBoingo;The leftover potting soil includes all sorts of misc that is cheapest to get year after tested on market and then clearanced out because who wants to pay $maxint for fucking potting soil 1620265;1488326304;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: how so fail? 1620266;1488326326;ben_vulpes;digging peat out of the ground kills me; i grew up running around on 100yr old moss blankets 1620267;1488326377;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "moving" does not produce compost for growing veggies, wtf