1594999;1483229378;BingoBoingo;yw 1595000;1483229390;mod6;State Of Bitcoin Address [December]: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-January/000244.html 1595001;1483229927;mats;in much less interesting news, tw is in a tizzy over a draft law regarding same-sex marriage 1595002;1483229961;mats;parliamentarians appear to be trying to push it through despite some polling indicating a 1:1 split in public opinion 1595003;1483230044;mats;it will reportedly involve amusing changes to public documents, e.g. passports, textbooks in public schools, where folks are now 'parent one' and 'parent two' instead of father/mother 1595004;1483230114;BingoBoingo;Very azn 1595005;1483230193;mats;in my view, the state doesn't have any business in regulating marriage at all 1595006;1483230249;mats;er, shouldn't have any* 1595007;1483230303;BingoBoingo;But for srs, this is a very azn way of handling people 1595008;1483230489;mats;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-same-sex-passports_us_560c68e6e4b076812700bf06 1595009;1483230505;mats;i guess americans are very azn too 1595010;1483230752;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1ZLyY/?raw=true 1595011;1483230756;BingoBoingo;mats: Duh 1595012;1483230769;BingoBoingo;Americans are most Kingdom Chinese 1595013;1483230774;deedbot;accepted: 1 1595014;1483230911;mats;in other other news, new year's eve is always amateur hour on the streets 1595015;1483230954;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2016-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2016 Report 1595016;1483230994;phf;u.s. suburbia and thereabouts are typically dead on new year's 1595017;1483230999;mats;a day long shit show of people getting wasted and stumbling around causing trouble 1595018;1483231045;phf;mats: i don't quite remember, but i think you're located somewhere exciting? 1595019;1483231062;mats;yeah... boston 1595020;1483231164;phf;ah. not too exciting, but definitely has city life. though i'm surprised people venture outside with those insane crosswinds 1595021;1483231195;mats;it's pretty warm out 1595022;1483231364;mats;https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/31/turkey-armed-attacker-opens-fire-in-istanbul-nightclub-reports watch out for santas 1595023;1483231419;phf;ffs, makes it harder and harder to convince girl to go back to istanbul 1595024;1483231773;BingoBoingo;Istanbul fine, wait for Sultan 1595025;1483233355;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-446041.txt 1595026;1483241168;BingoBoingo;!~Congrats trinque on fast deeding 1595027;1483241168;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "Congrats" is not a valid command. 1595028;1483241342;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/AZtxK << Truefax 1595029;1483247458;ben_vulpes;fireworks are just marvelous for a fourteen month old's sleep 1595030;1483247496;ben_vulpes;mats: send me a cram? 1595031;1483247803;shinohai;What a Trumptastic New Year this shall be. 1595032;1483247811;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1595033;1483247821;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 963.0, vol: 3173.38439663 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 926.642, vol: 1878.59856 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 962.96, vol: 4845.22090736 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 979.47504, vol: 1802347.58270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 962.97, vol: 549.05066194 | Volume-weighted last average: 979.34230851 1595034;1483247882;mats;i wonder who will be the first person here to get a tmsr related LEO visit 1595035;1483247920;mats;probably the first one to convert to islam 1595036;1483248186;shinohai;Just so it is logged, I hate all religion equally. 1595037;1483248188;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform had some odd folks visit his office, BingoBoingo idem 1595038;1483248199;ben_vulpes;or you know wherever bb spends his time 1595039;1483248259;ben_vulpes;i had an odd car buglaring mid 2015 1595040;1483248273;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-20#1348833 1595041;1483248273;a111;Logged on 2015-12-20 20:26 jurov: they're not pathological, just black swans. with a toupee. 1595042;1483248302;mats;that was amusing to look back on 1595043;1483248378;mats;aren't there a lot of addicts where you are, what's odd about a car burglary 1595044;1483248392;ben_vulpes;whocoodanode he'd buy the republican party 1595045;1483248448;mats;bb's thing was some shenanigans unconnected to tmsr activities thought 1595046;1483248454;mats;though* 1595047;1483248459;ben_vulpes;mats: odd in that - somewhat secured lot, by far the least enticing vehicle in it (nothing on the seats in stark contrast to next car over), window smashed, lock popped, nothing taken 1595048;1483248487;ben_vulpes;not even the usb charger in the cigarette lighter 1595049;1483248553;mats;i don't remember reading anything about alfs encounter 1595050;1483248687;ben_vulpes;showed up asking questions at one of his places of work iirc, but cannot find a line 1595051;1483249420;mats;figures it's alf in the running 1595052;1483251827;*;asciilifeform finally drank mircea_popescu's bottle 1595053;1483251834;asciilifeform;a+++++ 1595054;1483251913;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it was a disconnected phone ringing 1595055;1483251916;asciilifeform;snore 1595056;1483252598;ben_vulpes;oh that old scam 1595057;1483252606;ben_vulpes;probably wanted to let you know you had some past-due taxes 1595058;1483252653;asciilifeform;nono, was land line , asked by name, and in a place where there was no official record of my being inside 1595059;1483252713;asciilifeform;why, i asked then, the clownade, why not just the wagen. 1595060;1483253014;ben_vulpes;and? 1595061;1483253091;asciilifeform;nobody answered, number belonged to some photography co 1595062;1483253126;asciilifeform;iirc this is in the logz somewhere, and uninspiring 1595063;1483253380;ben_vulpes;mm 1595064;1483253767;asciilifeform;perhaps asciilifeform , ben_vulpes , other usaschwitz inmates, left alive as a kind of insult. 1595065;1483253791;asciilifeform;'not worth bullet' 1595066;1483253896;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1595067;1483256641;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595029 <<< try living i a country where you could almost buy dynamite sticks in the same shop as the barbecue meat 1595068;1483256641;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 05:10 ben_vulpes: fireworks are just marvelous for a fourteen month old's sleep 1595069;1483258009;ben_vulpes;davout: i thought like 5 people lived there 1595070;1483258420;davout;people have been shooting fireworks *every single night* for at least a month or something 1595071;1483258535;davout;in other news imma sink some time in documenting the merciless wallet code excision that I think is the right(tm) approach for TRB 1595072;1483258762;ben_vulpes;get in there 1595073;1483258808;ben_vulpes;imma finish this phf-inspired patch and fix the miner 1595074;1483259258;ben_vulpes;anways, merry 2017, y'all. make up yr own bloodthirsty paeans. 1595075;1483260413;davout;yes, happy new year to my fellow terrorists! 1595076;1483266833;davout;ben_vulpes: can you point me to the thread where "keep the miner in trb" was discussed? 1595077;1483268411;mircea_popescu;ah yes, happy new year dear mr goldsteins. 1595078;1483268704;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-the-whole-day-lucy/ << Trilema - Disgrace - The whole day Lucy 1595079;1483275594;BingoBoingo;In other webstats: "an article that "has done more for Smalltalk advocacy than any other article in memory." It was the second-most popular article of the year on the Hewlett Packard Enterprise site TechBeacon (recently passing 20,000 views)," << lol 1595080;1483276686;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-he-buys-a-small-television/ << Trilema - Disgrace - He buys a small television 1595081;1483283231;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595076 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-03#1003700 1595082;1483283231;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 10:33 davout: ben_vulpes: can you point me to the thread where "keep the miner in trb" was discussed? 1595083;1483283231;a111;Logged on 2015-02-03 02:31 asciilifeform: but idea being, if dropped on alpha centauri with the RI, ought to be able to start using bitcoin immediately 1595084;1483283415;asciilifeform;aaand again, later, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-14#1343043 1595085;1483283415;a111;Logged on 2015-12-14 22:50 ascii_field: IT'S A FUCKING REFERENCE CLIENT 1595086;1483283424;asciilifeform;and possibly elsewhere. 1595087;1483283444;asciilifeform;and yes the built-in wallet is junk. 1595088;1483283462;asciilifeform;but it is the ~reference~. 1595089;1483283515;asciilifeform;and no, turning python into a trb dependency is not sane. 1595090;1483283543;asciilifeform;thing oughta only ~shed~ dependencies, not grow new ones. 1595091;1483284398;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-the-dogs-are-brought/ << Trilema - Disgrace - The dogs are brought 1595092;1483289350;davout;asciilifeform: genesis is the reference, keepring it around is a whole different story 1595093;1483289356;davout;keeping* 1595094;1483289877;davout;imo, both miner and wallet must be amputated 1595095;1483290383;trinque;happy 2017 all. 1595096;1483290452;trinque;the whole neighborhood was covered in smoke last night like the feds finally dropped bombs. 1595097;1483290458;trinque;great times 1595098;1483290790;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-petrus-shakes-his-head/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Petrus shakes his head 1595099;1483291209;davout;menawhile, the fireworks are resuming here 1595100;1483292072;davout;my neighborhood sounds like a fucking war zone 1595101;1483296791;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-but-he-is-not-satisfied/ << Trilema - Disgrace - But he is not satisfied 1595102;1483298262;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-his-spell-with-lucy/ << Trilema - Disgrace - His spell with Lucy 1595103;1483302253;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-years-ago-when-he-lived/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Years ago, when he lived 1595104;1483304179;jurov;!~ticker --market all 1595105;1483304185;jhvh1;jurov: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1001.64, vol: 6074.59750182 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 962.845, vol: 3627.43235 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1004.8, vol: 12099.96750066 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1032.48288, vol: 1705648.58730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1003.88, vol: 1204.09760159 | Volume-weighted last average: 1032.01467348 1595106;1483310909;jurov;!!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170101/attachment.txt?sha1=054f90b71ea58b51b3dd37774b495d5f7e85afee 1595107;1483310925;deedbot;accepted: 1 1595108;1483317371;mircea_popescu;aaand with that we're done. http://trilema.com/2016/a-novel-once-called-disgrace/ for they interested. 1595109;1483317723;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595000 < nice! 1595110;1483317723;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 00:09 mod6: State Of Bitcoin Address [December]: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-January/000244.html 1595111;1483317773;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595005 << this is equivalent to stating that in your view the state has no business existing. which is strictly correct ; but not something the state is ready to yet embrace. 1595112;1483317773;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 00:23 mats: in my view, the state doesn't have any business in regulating marriage at all 1595113;1483318357;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595034 << i thought BingoBoingo already ? 1595114;1483318357;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 05:18 mats: i wonder who will be the first person here to get a tmsr related LEO visit 1595115;1483318435;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595053 <<< wait, what ? 1595116;1483318435;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 06:23 asciilifeform: a+++++ 1595117;1483318715;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595070 << that's rifle fire you naive foreigner you. 1595118;1483318715;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 08:13 davout: people have been shooting fireworks *every single night* for at least a month or something 1595119;1483318733;*;mircea_popescu imagines davout wantering into warzone, going "pfff do they ever stop with the fireworks' 1595120;1483318789;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595079 << back when numbers vaguely related to people. the sort that could read. and write. 1595121;1483318789;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 12:59 BingoBoingo: In other webstats: "an article that "has done more for Smalltalk advocacy than any other article in memory." It was the second-most popular article of the year on the Hewlett Packard Enterprise site TechBeacon (recently passing 20,000 views)," << lol 1595122;1483318857;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595094 << wallet needs to be fixed, which yes reduces to not much reuse of the current item, but you can't have trb without a means to pay. the miner is iffier business, and really i can't conceive why it'd be a priority. let it be, do useful things besides. 1595123;1483318857;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 16:57 davout: imo, both miner and wallet must be amputated 1595124;1483318873;mircea_popescu;we don't have the prerequisites for useful miner discussion anyway. 1595125;1483318912;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595105 << o hey check it out, 1k 1595126;1483318912;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 20:56 jhvh1: jurov: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1001.64, vol: 6074.59750182 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 962.845, vol: 3627.43235 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1004.8, vol: 12099.96750066 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1032.48288, vol: 1705648.58730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1003.88, vol: 1204.09760159 | Volume-weighted last average: 1032.01467348 1595127;1483318924;mircea_popescu; !~ticker 1595128;1483318929;mircea_popescu;!~ticker 1595129;1483318930;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 999.07, Best ask: 999.25, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 999.0, 24 hour volume: 13737.10782109, 24 hour low: 961.26, 24 hour high: 1006.5, 24 hour vwap: None 1595130;1483323968;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595034 << i thought BingoBoingo already ? << Aha, http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ 1595131;1483323968;a111;Logged on 2017-01-01 05:18 mats: i wonder who will be the first person here to get a tmsr related LEO visit 1595132;1483324003;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency eur 1595133;1483324020;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1595134;1483324022;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 948.9744, vol: 6829.43373419 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 921.62165, vol: 50.3787 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 948.195, vol: 6740.85902498 | Volume-weighted last average: 948.487506125 1595135;1483324042;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 1595136;1483326013;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595115 << champagne 1595137;1483326013;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 00:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595053 <<< wait, what ? 1595138;1483326030;asciilifeform;from c2 1595139;1483327201;mircea_popescu;aaaaa 1595140;1483327207;*;BingoBoingo reading the novel formerly called Disgrace which I shall call "Africa: Country For Old MEN, and by MEN we mean Petrus" can't help but think poor dumpy Bev ought to take Dave Lurie as Bev's wife 1595141;1483327210;mircea_popescu;mazel tov 1595142;1483331780;mircea_popescu;and in other news from that mythical africa, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ae4352fe8af9f46aa422fd9bd4dd8a8c/tumblr_ocf78dWUKe1vs4rsbo1_1280.jpg 1595143;1483334757;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/F7Q5I << "died on May 12, 2002 at the age of 22[2] due to complications from gastric bypass surgery[1] stemming from his weight problems." 1595144;1483359448;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-446250.txt 1595145;1483370326;mircea_popescu;and in other early morning news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/30d2c3fe596693e7a3fb95997a12ad0f/tumblr_obyslrVlsT1v64ymho1_1280.jpg 1595146;1483370523;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=molyneux << incidentally check out how popular this dood is with da ladies. 1595147;1483371683;mircea_popescu;!!up mnemnion 1595148;1483371684;deedbot;mnemnion voiced for 30 minutes. 1595149;1483371754;mircea_popescu;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/33-ways-your-boyfriend-is-micro-cheating-and-totally_us_585996dde4b068764965b8a8 << in other lulz, micropenis microcheats! 1595150;1483379958;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/BJg73FK.png #RealTalk 1595151;1483380082;mircea_popescu;lol in other news, "a night's progress" : http://68.media.tumblr.com/79eb8dcbb8a6ec6befdf0d116fbc56ed/tumblr_o0w2oyJIGI1ugf63bo1_1280.jpg 1595152;1483380371;Framedragger;random sorta-cs'y question: are there any os-level cache implementations which make use of clock sweep (or something more sophisticated), cf. just simple LRU? (reading about caching strategy in postgres and possible duplication of data blocks at postgres cache level + os cache level). 1595153;1483380820;jurov;Framedragger: hard to have sophisticated cache algorithm when apps are black boxes, it usually backfires (there's very bad worst-case) 1595154;1483380860;jurov;and some databases (afaik not postgres) instruct the OS to not cache data by using O_DIRECT flag 1595155;1483381017;Framedragger;hm yes fair enough re. former. unknown what to do when process restarts, too, etc. 1595156;1483381017;Framedragger;re. latter, yes postgres doesn't instruct, apparently it's efficient on bulk writes that way, as the os can use its own cache to optimize the write order etc.. 1595157;1483381191;Framedragger;(nice article and nice links for anyone interested, https://madusudanan.com/blog/understanding-postgres-caching-in-depth/ ) 1595158;1483381251;mircea_popescu;Framedragger in general the problem is present, caching on a different level than the application creates complex problems. 1595159;1483381276;mircea_popescu;this is why cpu has its cache and disk has its cache and STILL eg autocomplete keeps its own cache. 1595160;1483381293;mircea_popescu;rather than everyone just using the cache like it were a gpu 1595161;1483381598;mircea_popescu;!!key Toaster_Struedel 1595162;1483381598;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/D6F6E30F2328EAE8C15D93C77403A752BFD697DE.asc 1595163;1483381649;mircea_popescu;trinque ^ ? 1595164;1483381763;trinque;imma flip it back to the old way for now. I need to finish some things with that site generator. one sec. 1595165;1483381785;mircea_popescu;kk 1595166;1483382242;trinque;mircea_popescu: link works now 1595167;1483382250;mircea_popescu;ty 1595168;1483382256;trinque;a better temporary fix is to just have the command write the file if absent, going with that to keep permalinks 1595169;1483382259;trinque;np 1595170;1483382268;mircea_popescu;worx 1595171;1483382497;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ready at last for my eulora password 1595172;1483382547;mircea_popescu;ah cool onesec 1595173;1483382555;mircea_popescu;!!key pete_dushenski 1595174;1483382555;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD.asc 1595175;1483382590;pete_dushenski;btw who manages the eulora wiki ? it's very well done and i might just suggest that the ubuntu instructions be updated slightly ('cs-forupload' instead of just 'cs') 1595176;1483382671;pete_dushenski;also 'laocoon' (62.113.203.216) is down for maintenance until further notice. upgrading hardware. 1595177;1483382698;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ouYop/?raw=true 1595178;1483382720;pete_dushenski;cheers 1595179;1483382721;mircea_popescu;it might be jurov ? tis a community run project, feel free to edit yourself. 1595180;1483382739;pete_dushenski;might as well 1595181;1483382801;jurov;no, if you see some anonymmous webpage, it's not mine. 1595182;1483382819;trinque;brb 1595183;1483382870;jurov;I consistently provide contact info. I think mike_c has eulorum.org 1595184;1483382883;jurov;mike_c-: ping 1595185;1483382905;pete_dushenski;!#seen mike_c- 1595186;1483382905;a111;I haven't seen mike_c- 1595187;1483382967;mircea_popescu;noted jurov 1595188;1483383071;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-06-05.log.html#t00:20:21 << this is how i ended up with the idea lol. 1595189;1483383111;jurov;np 1595190;1483383163;mircea_popescu;but i am well and truly at a loss, who owns it ? no idea. maybe lobbes ? i somehow du nthink it was mike_c- 1595191;1483383256;pete_dushenski;eulora wiki ubuntu instructions updated :) 1595192;1483383330;mircea_popescu;a nice. 1595193;1483383332;pete_dushenski;the only thing in setting up eulora that i haven't figured out yet was where the foxybot code goes. 1595194;1483383345;mircea_popescu;its built in with the latest version 1595195;1483383346;phf;ben_vulpes: fyi http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels 1595196;1483383347;jurov;reminded me to that old joke "Don't say anything. If you say, don't write. If you write, don't sign your name. If you sign, don't be surprised." 1595197;1483383363;mircea_popescu;jurov aha! 1595198;1483383365;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: latest foxybot1.3 ? 1595199;1483383369;mircea_popescu;1.2 1595200;1483383384;mircea_popescu;oh oh , the latest foxybot. hm. 1595201;1483383385;pete_dushenski;eulora 1.2, foxybot 1.3 1595202;1483383392;pete_dushenski;must be 1595203;1483383394;*;mircea_popescu looks 1595204;1483383445;mircea_popescu;mine are in ~/src/client/foxybot ; i expect unless specified otherwise you just put them in there 1595205;1483383449;mircea_popescu;and recompile. 1595206;1483383493;pete_dushenski;ah ok cool. will take a look this evening. 1595207;1483383585;*;pete_dushenski got goosebumps when eulora 'came to life' late last night as it was first game he's ever compiled from source on linux box or otherwise. 1595208;1483383602;mircea_popescu;ha! wd. 1595209;1483383676;pete_dushenski;thanks! putting these kindergarten compsci classes and node set-up skills to use. slowly making progress! 1595210;1483383711;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1595211;1483383726;pete_dushenski;it wasn't so long ago that 'computer' came with 'screen' for me, as per girls in that trilema piece. 1595212;1483383734;mircea_popescu;lol 1595213;1483383819;pete_dushenski;in other news, "In this article World Bank poverty estimates are used to systematically test the relationship between changes in poverty and exogenous changes in real domestic food prices. We uncover indicative evidence that increases in food prices are associated with reductions in poverty, not increases." 1595214;1483383831;pete_dushenski;see ? inflation is good for poor people and ok for you ! 1595215;1483383929;mircea_popescu;in proper terms, "we conclusively show that once reality is replaced by propaganda, nominal increase in food prices as well as nominal decreases in poverty may be claimed to have occured simultaneously. such is the power of rejecting the cold equations in favour of other views that are more nurturing of the mental processes that are most important to us." 1595216;1483383972;pete_dushenski;lol guess so eh 1595217;1483384083;mircea_popescu;somewhere it will occur to someone that in a model where men have the run of the land, hunting for beasts to eat and fuck, an amassing of domesticated cattle in the shape of symbolic "goats" (which you can both eat and fuck, and in practice would be mixes of women, cows, whatever) will result in a very divergent approach : men hunt across the land for resources and women hunt across their backs for fleas. 1595218;1483384083;mircea_popescu;and so "objective" and "subjective", solipsism and reality, eros and psyche, psychosis and neurosis bla bla bla. 1595219;1483384197;pete_dushenski;i always have to laugh whenever some review writer says "objectively speaking... etc etc". dude, wtf are you on about ? did your parrot tell you to say that ? jeez louise this is science for the people is it. 1595220;1483384277;pete_dushenski;esp. when discussing aesthetics. seriously. 1595221;1483385993;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Remeber that while David is poor servant of Eros, Petrus is great servant of Priapus! 1595222;1483386045;pete_dushenski;i thought david was the kid with the slingshot 1595223;1483386118;jurov;interesting , blockr got retarded for more than day 1595224;1483386241;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Yeah, and a Petrus ended up owning that David too! 1595225;1483386244;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/the-story-of-2016-socialist-butthurt/ << Qntra - The Story Of 2016: Socialist Butthurt 1595226;1483388266;BingoBoingo;And their lives had become unmanageable http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079616/Some-people-won-t-having-happy-new-year-Carnage-streets-Britain-revellers-2017-boozy-night-no-one-s-wrapping-warm.html 1595227;1483388398;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: "the sit in" << they 1595228;1483388416;pete_dushenski;also, hyphens are your friend 1595229;1483388445;BingoBoingo;ty fxd, where hyphens? 1595230;1483388559;pete_dushenski;same sentence. 'meme-like 1595231;1483388588;BingoBoingo;ty 1595232;1483388611;pete_dushenski;np at all 1595233;1483388684;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2016/first-eulora-hackathon/#comment-120215 << not that surprising, really 1595234;1483388703;pete_dushenski;sad, sure. surprising, not so much. 1595235;1483388817;pete_dushenski;i'm no hackathon expert (perhaps Framedragger or others can corroborate) but if i wanted eulora hackathon results i'd set up a meatspace booth, get red bull to sponsor, and invite teams. 1595236;1483388847;Framedragger;without being snarky, i think one guideline would be "announce more than 0 days in advance" :) 1595237;1483388906;Framedragger;(and according to .kr banks, have a few people sit at table and literally stare at teams, making notes. such conservative bank, hasn't changed them into robots yet) 1595238;1483388936;pete_dushenski;^ 1595239;1483389143;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595160 << right! (well, some duplication is not bad in itself - os can be dumb about higher-level cache but may want something for optimising/aligning disk i/o and so on. but this sometimes leads to complexity it appears, and may be unwanted in the first place (e.g. in phuctor)...) 1595240;1483389143;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 18:21 mircea_popescu: rather than everyone just using the cache like it were a gpu 1595241;1483389324;Framedragger;(but then, duplication different cache layers != "general gpu cache for everyone yolo!1") 1595242;1483389333;Framedragger;duplication across* 1595243;1483389373;Framedragger;also, have a great 2017 everyone :) 1595244;1483389425;pete_dushenski;cheers! 1595245;1483389478;Framedragger;random film recommendation for weirdos: cannibal holocaust ("cannibal exploitation horror film") 1595246;1483390134;*;Framedragger just learned of existence of "--show-session-key" in gnupg. "hehe" 1595247;1483390159;Framedragger;"Display the session key used for one message. See --override-session-key for the counterpart of this option. 1595248;1483390159;Framedragger;We think that Key Escrow is a Bad Thing; however the user should have the freedom to decide whether to go to prison or to reveal the content of one specific message without compromising all messages ever encrypted for one secret key. DON'T USE IT UNLESS YOU ARE REALLY FORCED TO DO SO." 1595249;1483390211;Framedragger;(from https://www.foo.be/2016/12/OpenPGP-really-works ) 1595250;1483390427;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595221 << lol win. 1595251;1483390427;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 19:39 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Remeber that while David is poor servant of Eros, Petrus is great servant of Priapus! 1595252;1483390838;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski eh i'd much rather discuss teh comments there! 1595253;1483390888;pete_dushenski;alright alright. i'll copynpaste it :P 1595254;1483390920;mircea_popescu;cool, then i'ma wriote the reply to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595237 there too and that way Framedragger won't know what i said about his comment! 1595255;1483390920;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 20:28 Framedragger: (and according to .kr banks, have a few people sit at table and literally stare at teams, making notes. such conservative bank, hasn't changed them into robots yet) 1595256;1483390984;pete_dushenski;lolk 1595257;1483391028;Framedragger;sneaky 1595258;1483391404;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2016/first-eulora-hackathon/#comment-120425 1595259;1483391666;mircea_popescu;aanswer't. 1595260;1483391887;diana_coman;kind of curious what does pete_dushenski consider as "results" in such a case: number of participants? the "atmosphere"? 1595261;1483391951;mircea_popescu;fwiw i personally "shoulder surfed" as i hear it's called two diff people who tried their fucking best to do it. in the end managed as much as to get a command registered and to say hi world! but that was all. well over 30 hours of brow sweat. 1595262;1483391997;mircea_popescu;it's hard, C i mean, in that it is nonsensical. nobody appreciates truly just how nonsensical it is (except eg naggum, he wrote about it) because nobody actually keeps slaves, in the proper sense of the term, and thus nobody gets to see an actual, balanced human mind interact with the ball of insanity. 1595263;1483392010;mircea_popescu;all everyone ever sees are people 10+ years into the dementia. and the "sense" things make to them. 1595264;1483392060;diana_coman;hm; do you mean they had it all nicely and well done in pseudo-code/whatever logical structure and THEN they just failed miserably to translate that to C code? 1595265;1483392069;mircea_popescu;yes. 1595266;1483392152;mircea_popescu;90% of my audible output was "your question can not be answered in that general form". tears were shed, of rage and frustration. towards the third day i recited from the molieben of st naggum, the part where he says c makes people lie, and there was THANK YOU! GOOD GOD! 1595267;1483392181;mircea_popescu;"i read about the types, none make any sense, they just keep declaring, what the fuck is it and how should you know!" 1595268;1483392240;mircea_popescu;(paraklesis in english, apparently). 1595269;1483392288;diana_coman;lol; but yes, no sense there, not sure anybody claimed sense in C types 1595270;1483392329;mircea_popescu;so what are people to do ? 1595271;1483392403;mircea_popescu;Te blestem pe tine, incepatorul rautatilor si al hulei, capetenia impotrivirii si urzitorul vicleniei. Te blestem pe tine, cel aruncat din lumina cea de sus si surpat pentru mandrie in intunericul adancului. Te blestem pe tine si pe toata puterea cea cazuta ce a urmat vointa ta. Te blestem pe tine, duh necurat, cu Dumnezeu Savaot si cu toata oastea ingerilor lui Dumnezeu, Adonai, Eloi, Dumnezeul cel atotputernic; iesi si te d 1595272;1483392403;mircea_popescu;eparteaza etcetera. 1595273;1483392486;diana_coman;the way I see it is that they are basically constraints - of all sorts and not necessarily of some overall design/rationality/logical stuff; if you insist for some reason to do something in that environment, then you have to work within those constraints, as nonsensical as they might be 1595274;1483392495;mircea_popescu;but arbitrary. 1595275;1483392530;mircea_popescu;understand - most of the convention is opaque in a proper sense. merely discovering that {} must be preserved, for instance, took time. 1595276;1483392553;mircea_popescu;"oh that's what those do." "yes." "but why." "nevermind" 1595277;1483392673;diana_coman;what is it exactly they discovered the {} do? 1595278;1483392722;mircea_popescu;that i can't answer for. but some kind of model as to why deleting inside curly braces works, but not outside they've formed. 1595279;1483392786;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: back atcha. 1595280;1483392840;mircea_popescu;diana_coman consider - there isn't a general statement of "what is it exactly {} do". this is already a fine and complete statement. 1595281;1483392841;pete_dushenski;diana_coman: the "results" of "real hackathons" ? some lulz and some memories of "that one time" mostly. 1595282;1483392892;diana_coman;pete_dushenski, aha, social coding at it's best, used to be called a party 1595283;1483392901;pete_dushenski;which is why calling the open eulora bot coding competition FOR MEN ONLY "a hackathon" seems... odd. 1595284;1483392920;diana_coman;for men only? 1595285;1483392935;pete_dushenski;see mp's latest comment on the article 1595286;1483392936;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure it was mostly womenz. 1595287;1483392945;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski dun confuse gender an' sex! 1595288;1483392974;pete_dushenski;harder than it sounds! 1595289;1483392977;BingoBoingo;A number of women make fine MEN in the model of Petrus. 1595290;1483392978;mircea_popescu;lol 1595291;1483392981;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I don't think I basically get enough of what it was that was going on there to comment much further 1595292;1483393000;mircea_popescu;diana_coman consider someone who has a perfectly functioning brain and no prior exposure to programming. 1595293;1483393013;mircea_popescu;what do you answer when they ask "what do {} do" ? 1595294;1483393065;diana_coman;they group together what is contained within 1595295;1483393080;pete_dushenski;maybe {} is like a period 1595296;1483393093;mircea_popescu;and by "perfectly functioning brain" i don't mean they're qualified to work the cash register. suppose one day the bishop of vad comes to you and asks you that. the man knows plenty of things, what do you say to him SO THAT YOU DO NOT LIE. 1595297;1483393109;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski that's the problem, right there. yes, maybe. why would someone want to talk t oyou when all you have to say are maybes. 1595298;1483393153;pete_dushenski;right. which is why people don't want to talk to me and why i'm talking to you lot of bots! 1595299;1483393153;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ftr I saw and even experienced this sort of trouble but unrelated to C++ as such - related to *programming* in itself really, regardless of language 1595300;1483393160;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1595301;1483393208;mircea_popescu;tis not an easy problem. moreover it's not even clear to me why it exists in the first place. 1595302;1483393217;diana_coman;first in 9th grade when first introduced to procedural programming; 2nd and even more clearly a few years later when I got into functional programming - it required a change of thinking simply, it wasn't natural in either case 1595303;1483393220;mircea_popescu;god knows i can explain math in such a manner ; what the fuck is so special about algorithmics. 1595304;1483393223;diana_coman;and btw there was no c, lol 1595305;1483393234;mircea_popescu;if the same archbishop inquires as to why i poured cement the way i did i can answer without ado. 1595306;1483393261;diana_coman;well, I answered what do {} do, not good? 1595307;1483393282;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it's no good because they'll then say void main {void} 1595308;1483393318;mircea_popescu;see, it's not a question of saying something which is in some context correct ; it is a question of saying something which while meaningful, is is no context false. 1595309;1483393322;diana_coman;heh, I specifically avoided saying "group statements together" because I did not know how much/whether they knew about statements 1595310;1483393328;mircea_popescu;nothing. 1595311;1483393421;trinque;better to start from what an AST is, preferably in a language where levels of AST are delimited in the same manner always 1595312;1483393438;trinque;this thing where things may or may not indicate hierarchy and you gotta know in advance sucks 1595313;1483393448;mircea_popescu;aha. 1595314;1483393466;diana_coman;myeah, that's actually how we started at uni pretty much 1595315;1483393488;mircea_popescu;but it's a hackathon not a course in theoretical cs ; we're not at liberty to not write one line of code within the first six months ; we must start within five minutes. yes that which you say exists, but this different other thing also exists. why doesn't it ? 1595316;1483393504;mircea_popescu;which is why my conclusion is rather that hackathons are actually impossible in this context. 1595317;1483393530;mircea_popescu;computer programming in a practical sense doesn't flow logically from anything. 1595318;1483393581;mircea_popescu;it's not of the nature of, we go for a walk, and now the flat turns into rolling hills and we are in a forest and the trail eventually takes us up to a mountain. nothing of the kind. it's that we go up to the water line, wherein we don the scuba gear, and enter an entirely new world. 1595319;1483393586;mircea_popescu;one that does not, in itself, support life. 1595320;1483394121;diana_coman;well, it started as a set of holes in punch-cards - not sure what life support is that likely to get to 1595321;1483394150;mircea_popescu;why should it get to. nobody at the wheel, car goes where it pleases, horse shall graze as it might ? 1595322;1483394169;mircea_popescu;of course the end result of reason's nap are monsters. 1595323;1483394321;mircea_popescu;but yes, the thing V brings to light, slowly, and evidently painfully, is that the rot did not start within our lifetimes. there's almost a century of subjugation of sense for the sake of convenience, inaugurated like all insanity during the war and maintained hence. the standard of "make a statement about x" does not reduce to "here you go" "is it true ?" "well, at least in one case it is". properly speaking, there must be n 1595324;1483394321;mircea_popescu;o cases where it is false. this is the wot model - to be signed it must not be false because if it is false then you get negrated don't you. 1595325;1483394347;mircea_popescu;however it's not just that nobody "involved" in "development" of $modern-software package can't make a statement of any kind in this sense. it goes all the way back before the crays. 1595326;1483394370;trinque;yep. other than a system built atop simple first principles (scheme or forth-a-tron) I don't see that a sensible approach to learning can be had. 1595327;1483394427;mircea_popescu;funny that all the schmucks declaratively anti-racism and dedicated to you know, "unlocking human potential" aren't in the slightest preoccupied with doing anything in the vein of their declared interests. 1595328;1483394428;trinque;student just gets dumped on an island, ends up maybe with some survival skills and the superstitions that come along with not being able to know what lurks in the night. 1595329;1483394439;mircea_popescu;quite exactly that. 1595330;1483395022;hanbot; but i am well and truly at a loss, who owns it ? no idea. maybe lobbes ? i somehow du nthink it was mike_c- << i'm pretty sure it was his, yeah. 1595331;1483395030;mircea_popescu;oh. 1595332;1483395041;mircea_popescu;i guess prolly a good idea to make copies then, jic 1595333;1483395057;hanbot;it's been recently fed to archive.is anyway 1595334;1483395063;mircea_popescu;a cool then 1595335;1483395536;BingoBoingo;Ah, the mike_c legacy. If it's good and no one remembers who made it, probably mike_c 1595336;1483395549;mircea_popescu;that;s a point 1595337;1483395868;mircea_popescu;and since i'm on a moldy tome kick, let's note down ܝܳܠܕܰܬ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ie joldath allaho. in syriac. because yes, even as egypt was mostly christian in its recent history (just as all of the "arabic" middle east), allah exists in arabic as a corruption of a syriac notation of a greek interpretation of a hebrew name for god. 1595338;1483395909;mircea_popescu;bologna elohim, salami alahu, whatevers. 1595339;1483397312;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1595340;1483397317;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1017.77, vol: 8353.97054240 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 985.8, vol: 4668.17318 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1021.8, vol: 22583.63331644 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1063.58832, vol: 2083186.42100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1022.2, vol: 2279.22126022 | Volume-weighted last average: 1062.74725474 1595341;1483397965;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1595342;1483397967;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 446335 | Current Difficulty: 3.17688400354E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 447551 | Next Difficulty In: 1216 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 33 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1595343;1483397984;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency gbp 1595344;1483397989;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 823.041, vol: 8365.65497052 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 798.28335, vol: 4665.00914 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 858.176, vol: 2094352.86270000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 832.677, vol: 31.50639144 | Volume-weighted last average: 857.903566512 1595345;1483398028;mircea_popescu;parity in all fiatcurrency! 1595346;1483398336;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency eur 1595347;1483398342;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 964.614925, vol: 8353.01422420 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 952.0, vol: 178.42179 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 1008.09395, vol: 2092780.02860000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 971.4, vol: 10489.0846288 | Volume-weighted last average: 1007.73497896 1595348;1483398378;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1595349;1483398382;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 7353.57, vol: 2093696.75350000 | Volume-weighted last average: 7353.57 1595350;1483400293;BingoBoingo;Party in the Parity 1595351;1483402930;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595266 << plox to reread naggum , this and the other pieces were about cpp 1595352;1483402930;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 21:22 mircea_popescu: 90% of my audible output was "your question can not be answered in that general form". tears were shed, of rage and frustration. towards the third day i recited from the molieben of st naggum, the part where he says c makes people lie, and there was THANK YOU! GOOD GOD! 1595353;1483402935;asciilifeform;not c 1595354;1483403002;asciilifeform;(which is separate headache, such as to be left in a desert to die is quite different experience than to be lowered into pit of weevils) 1595355;1483403142;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595276 << i am now picturing mircea_popescu's 'well-balanced being' asking 'why' of the controls of 'airbus' 1595356;1483403142;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 21:29 mircea_popescu: "oh that's what those do." "yes." "but why." "nevermind" 1595357;1483403203;asciilifeform;(and if you think you can answer how the fuck , e.g., flaps, work, see the von karman parable!) 1595358;1483403213;*;asciilifeform bbl 1595359;1483405268;ben_vulpes;phf: neat, thanks 1595360;1483405759;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595293 << would you prefer ada's 'begin foo' / 'end foo' ? 1595361;1483405759;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 21:36 mircea_popescu: what do you answer when they ask "what do {} do" ? 1595362;1483405895;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595305 << last iirc, the exact chemical mechanism of cement curing was not fully known 1595363;1483405895;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: if the same archbishop inquires as to why i poured cement the way i did i can answer without ado. 1595364;1483405991;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu with his cement mixer is just as 'dirty empiricist' as d00d who writes 'while (1) {.......}' without having written a c compiler and ability to explain what {} 'do' rigorously 1595365;1483406392;trinque;misses the point entirely; the question is how to teach the thing 1595366;1483406398;trinque;and when someone can be said to understand it 1595367;1483406537;asciilifeform;teach c machine as sane people were taught: 'here's some c, here's what compiler emitted , in asm, now say why' 1595368;1483406557;asciilifeform;and student knows asm because started there 1595369;1483406605;trinque;one moment "nobody can fit c machine in head" and the next "anyone can c puny human!1!1!!" 1595370;1483406607;trinque;lol 1595371;1483406682;trinque;yes, one can memorize a mapping between some phenomena and their effects, and this does not amount to "understands computers" 1595372;1483406694;trinque;I thought asciilifeform had a www on this 1595373;1483406719;trinque;and incidentally, didn't jurov do something with eulora and lisp/scheme ? 1595374;1483406724;asciilifeform;trinque: it is why you make the student write, eventually, the compiler 1595375;1483406759;trinque;oh sure, no argument here. but then go and rewrite a compatible gcc 1595376;1483406759;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc he stuffed ecl in there 1595377;1483406763;trinque;ah 1595378;1483413709;asciilifeform;trinque: mircea_popescu had a thing a while ago about towers, of different heights. 1595379;1483413849;mircea_popescu;what do you think is empiricist about teh cement ? 1595380;1483413916;mircea_popescu;and yes, they have. entertained whole flight with discussion of vehicle steering. where "vehicle" ( {bus, ship, submarine, airplane, ..., satellite} 1595381;1483414101;mircea_popescu;anyway - the whole discussion was re c++ ; i use c to denote it, owing to the factual situation that there's no other c in practice ; which yes is a sly comment in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590234 but then what are you gonna do. 1595382;1483414101;a111;Logged on 2016-12-24 17:45 asciilifeform: this 'works' is a pestilence and is largely why clueful greybeards from the meat world , e.g., mircea_popescu , unzip and piss on programmers simply for sport 1595383;1483416328;mircea_popescu;and in today's unicode : ⁂ 1595384;1483417027;asciilifeform;✠. 1595385;1483417103;mircea_popescu;wasn';t that supposed to be replaced with an inflatable matress or a scooba goggle or something ? 1595386;1483417110;mircea_popescu;i recall a whole lotta noise. 1595387;1483420870;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595330 << yeah, gotta be mike_c (not mine, at least) 1595388;1483420870;a111;Logged on 2017-01-02 22:10 hanbot: but i am well and truly at a loss, who owns it ? no idea. maybe lobbes ? i somehow du nthink it was mike_c- << i'm pretty sure it was his, yeah. 1595389;1483420912;mircea_popescu;aha 1595390;1483420952;mircea_popescu;and in other disbelief, http://68.media.tumblr.com/98ca711f5c182ad59659a3dcda925f17/tumblr_o3qciviaCT1uzvpfmo1_1280.jpg 1595391;1483421065;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in not-terrible blogs, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/055-on-education.html 1595392;1483421858;mircea_popescu;of course, he got half of the discussion of etymology of engineering from the older discussion ; it's true that in french it comes from ingenuity however in english it comes from engine. which was the fucking point, this slide. 1595393;1483424468;BingoBoingo;And in African it derives from the man Petrus telling the boy David that building is skilled work as David plays gopher for Petrus's tools 1595394;1483425102;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595391 << quite interesting www -- do you know this d00d? 1595395;1483425102;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 05:24 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in not-terrible blogs, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/055-on-education.html 1595396;1483432696;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/03/whats-a-hackathon-anyways/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - What’s a hackathon anyways? 1595397;1483450715;Framedragger;https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-heart-firefox << systematic incorporation of security/privacy related (anti-tracking, sandboxing, etc.) patches by tor browser team into firefox mainline. (http://archive.is/SSNzk) 1595398;1483450827;mircea_popescu;anything good ? 1595399;1483450934;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : 1595401;1483450975;shinohai;lmao 1595402;1483451020;Framedragger;lol 1595403;1483451032;Framedragger;certainly nothing of huge import. some of those are definitely a bit snakeoil'y, but not completely useless. i don't know how much you care about e.g. browser fingerprinting. right now html5 canvas leaks badly, i.e. "The adversary simply renders WebGL, font, and named color data to a Canvas element, extracts the image buffer, and computes a hash of that image data. Subtle differences in the video card, font packs, and even font and graph 1595404;1483451035;Framedragger; simple, high-entropy fingerprint of a computer. In fact, the hash of the rendered image can be used almost identically to a tracking cookie by the web server." 1595405;1483451053;Framedragger;so turn off such on-by-default leakage (and other leakages for fingerprinting), etc. 1595406;1483451083;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you are aware firefox is dead for all practical purposes, yes ? in fact i don't know any browser that lost market share at its speed, except of course netscape back in the day. 1595407;1483451104;Framedragger;because of the recent whatitwas? 1595408;1483451107;mircea_popescu;which is in itself a very amusing commentary on the toils and travails of the jwz gang. they... rescued netscape. and it did... netscape. 1595409;1483451120;Framedragger;(http://qntra.net/2016/12/emergency-mozilla-bulletin-stop-using-firefox/) 1595410;1483451187;Framedragger;what does mircea_popescu use currently? 1595411;1483451218;Framedragger;i guess you meant conceptually dead, and with definite practically-dead event horizon in sight 1595412;1483451305;mircea_popescu;Framedragger because who knows, but it is under 10%, a lesser opera by now. 1595413;1483451305;mircea_popescu;both chrome and, insanely, ie, the ie above, ate it. 1595414;1483451305;mircea_popescu;Framedragger nah, it's been going on for 2-3 years at the least. 1595415;1483451348;Framedragger;so suddenly the numbers of wide populace matter? :) 1595416;1483451359;Framedragger;but i agree that things don't look too good. 1595417;1483451431;Framedragger;(fwiw sandboxing efforts look nice and more technically involved; question is how easy it'd be to apply work done there to other browsers and so on; if not, meh) 1595418;1483451435;mircea_popescu;for a browser ? come on. it's not good. the only thing it had going for it were a bunch of retards using it. now it doesn't even have that. 1595419;1483451459;Framedragger;yeah, gossipd client != browser. market share matters hm. 1595420;1483451498;mircea_popescu;i use lynx and curl. 1595421;1483451518;Framedragger;that's cool. 1595422;1483451529;Framedragger;(i at least check that my webpages look good on lynx/elinks) 1595423;1483451532;mircea_popescu;i dunno how cool it is, but let me tell you it is very productive 1595424;1483451581;Framedragger;i suppose you also avoid the 'why does a multibillion clock machine lag on key press omfg' fail as icing on the cake. 1595425;1483451610;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would it lag, really now. 1595426;1483451724;Framedragger;this one time, i was scriptifying cheap flight booking. was amazed how less-laggy the simulated/automated 'browsing experience' (website didn't like bots, needed to convince it by running part of actual browser) was (cf. manual clicking on airline's website). got depressed 1595427;1483451734;Framedragger;sorry state of affairs. 1595428;1483451757;mircea_popescu;the moment they start with "not like bots" you know they're imbeciles. 1595429;1483451930;Framedragger;some airlines (such as ryanair) try to stuff the user with tons of shitty offers before reservation confirmation page. horribru UX. such m0netizzation $trategy. imbeciles indeed :/ 1595430;1483451957;mircea_popescu;it's not a strategy for anything than for the pernicious insanity of "marketing matters". 1595431;1483453942;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-december-2016-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2016 Statement 1595432;1483454397;adlai;deedbot: http://dpaste.com/3VFZXYN.txt 1595433;1483454415;mircea_popescu;and in new tendencies in home entertainment systems for 2017, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6b97896138173843e20809c15fc09979/tumblr_o9qcvhfobN1vxlh30o1_1280.jpg 1595434;1483454428;adlai;happy integer fiats since genesis, o chanl of the schemer's truth 1595435;1483454450;mircea_popescu;how's life in africa's last rhodesia ? 1595436;1483454516;adlai;today is a beautiful day, it hasn't rained in /hours/ 1595437;1483454562;mircea_popescu;lol 1595438;1483454734;adlai;!!deed http://dpaste.com/3VFZXYN.txt 1595439;1483454766;mircea_popescu;you mean you just got your first period ?! 1595440;1483454782;deedbot;accepted: 1 1595441;1483454788;adlai;thar she go 1595442;1483454821;adlai;mircea_popescu: nah, back in middle school mrs whatsit told me not to forget those because they help to end e sentence, yet mene hesn't even begen yet! 1595443;1483454941;trinque;adlai: what is this, a gunzip exploit or something? 1595444;1483454978;mircea_popescu;talk sensibly trinque ; gnuzip is made by foss, it has had millions of eyes on it. all bugs are shallow! 1595445;1483454990;trinque;lel 1595446;1483455035;mircea_popescu;fucking idiots, "oh, in this very narrow sliver of experience that is our irrelevant if self-important life, x observation held so far, especially because he have no fucking clue as to statistics, logic, or anything else. THEREFORE IT IS A NATURAL LAW OF THE UNYVERSE!!!" 1595447;1483455141;adlai;trinque: took me a moment but i lol'd 1595448;1483455635;mircea_popescu;shinohai the "altcorn" eh. bien trouve. 1595449;1483455738;shinohai;ah mircea_popescu you refering to scotcoin or whatever it is 1595450;1483455742;mircea_popescu;aha 1595451;1483455915;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/grade%20inflation.jpg << fucking epic graph. if enough eyes watch it, there's no further need for Cs. 1595452;1483456333;mircea_popescu;"The "college is a scam" train is one on which I'm all aboard, but that doesn't mean each individual professor has to be scamming students; there's no reason why he can't do a good job and teach his students something that they aren't going to get simply by reading the text. If a student can skip class and still ace the class, the kid is either very bright or the professor is utterly useless. Right? Either way, the kid's 1595453;1483456334;mircea_popescu;wasting his money." quoth the endearigly naive mr ballas. except the counter to this is in disgrace, the novel, of course : when a teacher does finally, for incomprehensible reasons, try, the OTHER TEACHERS assemble a panel to try and con 1595454;1483456340;mircea_popescu;vince him never again to try. 1595455;1483456359;mircea_popescu;actually -- to try and convice him to sign a statement beseaching all the other teachers never EVER to try. 1595456;1483456502;mircea_popescu;anyway, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/08/grade_inflation.html ; total must-read. 1595457;1483457364;jurov;S.QNTR distributed 1595458;1483457516;shinohai;"But for complex reasons, Wilcox had to prevent the calculations from ever being seen." http://archive.is/m9i1U 1595459;1483458019;mircea_popescu;danke jurov 1595460;1483458353;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-446448.txt 1595461;1483461185;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from the dept. of orlols, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/01/how-to-make-america-great-again-with.html >> '...This was the last time the Americans were able to run off with a fantastic amount of other people’s money, giving the US yet another temporary lease on life.' 1595462;1483461293;mircea_popescu;wait wut ? 1595463;1483461327;asciilifeform;(tldr : d00d seems to think that saudi a. will be plundered next.) 1595464;1483461444;BingoBoingo;But Iran'll do that! 1595465;1483461535;asciilifeform;'If Trump doesn’t crack open the chocolate egg that is Saudi Arabia and run off with the toy inside, then somebody else will. Saudi Arabia’s days are numbered. For now, it is still rich in money, oil, sand and imbeciles, but it is burning through the first two faster and faster. Just wait a decade or so, and the sand and the imbeciles will be all that’s left. Somebody will try to get to them and snatch what’s left of the priz 1595466;1483461535;asciilifeform;e well before then. It might as well be the Americans: they started this shambolic desert kingdom; they might as well be the ones to put it out of its misery.' 1595467;1483461537;asciilifeform;lulzy. 1595468;1483461795;mircea_popescu;yes, russian policy in middle east is pretty much centered in squashing the saudis. 1595469;1483462060;trinque;lulzy, so US-istan is unique in its scam and plunder campaign for a few paragraphs, then "lets get the rest of the major powers to all plunder saudi together" 1595470;1483462061;asciilifeform;difference (at least afaik, from armchair) is that ru would have to actually fight, but usg would only need to press a few buttons and turn off the (u.s.-made) air defense systems of s.a. 1595471;1483462063;trinque;this guy's a fucking cartoonist 1595472;1483462177;asciilifeform;am i the only one who recalls the fanfare re ru supposedly selling s400 rocket system to s.a. ? if true, possibly they also want in on the spoils 1595473;1483462185;asciilifeform;('we switch off if you switch off & share') 1595474;1483462247;trinque;if we want to get out the real tin foil for a minute, somebody might suspect the "great powers" have been planning on how to restructure the middle east *together* 1595475;1483462308;mircea_popescu;because they've never done this before, about 12 or so times since 1880 ; not that it EVER fucking worked , nor that the "great powers" that wanna be, and until the last boot steps on the last bureaucrat face will continue to pretend to be, are actually capable of learning or anything. 1595476;1483462342;trinque;aha 1595477;1483462345;mircea_popescu;"you have to do this sort of thing!" "why ?" "because if you don't it might appear you don't exist" "but you do in fact not exist" "SHH!!!11" 1595478;1483462571;mircea_popescu;man check it out, simutaneous bloks, 60 and 61 1595479;1483462636;mircea_popescu;the fucking odds of this ? bw.com and btc.com boundry, and it really doesn't look like there's more than 18 seconds delay. so btc.com checked the block 446460 and built on it and found a block within ~15 seconds ? 1595480;1483462641;mircea_popescu;these people aren't checking ANYTHING. 1595481;1483462691;asciilifeform;either that, and/or the cartel hidden block buffer is 2+ long 1595482;1483462716;mircea_popescu;leaking the info quite so ineptly ? 1595483;1483462720;asciilifeform;( not hard to ~release from buffer~ ~simultaneously ) 1595484;1483462741;asciilifeform;either ineptly, or wanted to leak a bit. 1595485;1483462759;asciilifeform;a 'hello' for mircea_popescu et al. 1595486;1483462814;mircea_popescu;bw got what, like 3k blocks past 6 months. not much of a player. 1595487;1483462855;mircea_popescu;course btc.com is half that. 1595488;1483462870;asciilifeform;none of these observations disprove a scenario where both are fingerpuppets. 1595489;1483462898;mircea_popescu;anyway, the only good news on that front is that fees are consistently over 5% of the block reward. 1595490;1483462915;mircea_popescu;5.05% over the past 30 days. 1595491;1483463810;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595397 << the various leprosoria ~could~ have an actual sporting shot! at maintaining successful pretense of independence , if they were to not do this kind of obvious 'we all pull shitpatches from one another' circus 1595492;1483463810;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 13:38 Framedragger: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-heart-firefox << systematic incorporation of security/privacy related (anti-tracking, sandboxing, etc.) patches by tor browser team into firefox mainline. (http://archive.is/SSNzk) 1595493;1483463852;asciilifeform;as it is, no one who understands the actual purpose of tor could possibly suffer illusions re firefox, or vice-versa 1595494;1483463857;mircea_popescu;but that's kinda the point. avoid specificity of diddling 1595495;1483463874;asciilifeform;expand 1595496;1483463935;mircea_popescu;all empire code must be the other hypothesis that invites itself is the tlp/mp 'ceremonial object' one. the, e.g., static mat, was sold on a www with reviews, and not necessarily faux ones. many satisfied sheeples own various tools and NEVER USE, and they -- are quite happy! << Like your HDX hacksaw!!! 1595573;1483466125;asciilifeform;quite like 1595574;1483466128;BingoBoingo;Plastic part under tension! 1595575;1483466138;asciilifeform;no shortage of these. 1595576;1483466163;asciilifeform;e.g., harbour freight corp., sells lathes (not tiny ones, either, but proper-sized) with PLASTIC GEARS 1595577;1483466166;asciilifeform;i shit thee not 1595578;1483466183;mircea_popescu;plastic is as good as anything else! 1595579;1483466193;asciilifeform;quite so, when NOBODY USES 1595580;1483466204;mircea_popescu;using things is abusive, rapist and racist. 1595581;1483466208;BingoBoingo;That's kinda harbour freight's schtick "You can say you now own X, but pls don't use!" 1595582;1483466209;asciilifeform;makes for quite as effective a ritual object as titanium 1595583;1483466217;mircea_popescu;have you talked with your lathe about its feelings ? 1595584;1483466354;asciilifeform;i've lost count of how many times i buy a not-the-cheapest $tool, and after 2-3 uses it crumbles into, literally, dust, and then buy 'nice' one, which half the time has been chinafied/plasticized already into very close resemblance to the el cheapo item, sometimes beyond any meaningful diff 1595585;1483466390;asciilifeform;to take entirely random example, top-of-the-line 'wiha' multihead screwdrivers, ALL now have plastic handles 1595586;1483466409;mircea_popescu;hey, the notion that people want to do things has given way to the reality that people want to look like doing, appear to be doing, but safely (ie, not doing). 1595587;1483466412;asciilifeform;one or two stuck screws, and the hex slot in it , becomes circular. 1595588;1483466421;mircea_popescu;the "tools" are kindergarten items because the people are kindergarten kids. 1595589;1483466442;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah but the 'moment of truth' comes when you go and buy 3, 4 figure (usd) 'adult' item and get same. 1595590;1483466457;asciilifeform;'demise of lispm' applied universally. 1595591;1483466517;BingoBoingo; one or two stuck screws, and the hex slot in it , becomes circular. << Probably not "stuck", just married with "blue loctite" proper tool to free is bit, breaker bar, and mallet 1595592;1483466543;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lel, mallet on lcd? german optics ? etc 1595593;1483466552;mircea_popescu;aha, there's nothing special about it. the "adult" item, how could this be. 1595594;1483466555;BingoBoingo;No mallet on breaker bar 1595595;1483466565;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and where do i buy a 'breaker bar' that fits 0.5mm screw. 1595596;1483466580;trinque;gotta be a narrow, long pipe out there that'd do 1595597;1483466582;BingoBoingo;You use adapters to take it down to size that eats bit 1595598;1483466592;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha 1595599;1483466604;asciilifeform;does BingoBoingo work on anything smaller than tractor ? 1595600;1483466605;BingoBoingo;And hope there isn't too much slack to eat impact 1595601;1483466627;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Worked to free last stubborn screws on laptop 1595602;1483466630;mircea_popescu;the idea is grandiose, a lengthy telescope of adaptors used by a guy standing on a box on a chair on a desk on a stair on a rope,. 1595603;1483466642;trinque;now turn carefully!!! 1595604;1483466656;mircea_popescu;with caliper (adapted from wrench) 1595605;1483466698;BingoBoingo;Anyways shouldn't take more than four adapters, 3 if you start with 1/4" drive bar 1595606;1483466723;mircea_popescu;this should be a story, totally. man finds love of life, is glad, convinces her, discovers it dun fit, goes back through his hero's journey to get all the various helpers to help. finally he sticks it in her among the octopi, crabs, bat wings and other fit-makers 1595607;1483466747;BingoBoingo;lol 1595608;1483466763;mircea_popescu;it could be called 1595609;1483466765;mircea_popescu;AUTOMAKE 1595610;1483466769;asciilifeform;^^^ 1595611;1483466772;*;trinque dies 1595612;1483466773;BingoBoingo;!~bash 13 1595613;1483466774;jhvh1;Last 13 lines bashed and pending publication 1595614;1483466906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: related http://xwap.me/books/36430/Skazka-skolzkaya-nemnozhko.html << supposedly written in gulag 1595615;1483466951;asciilifeform;'Вот царевна под замком / стонет сизым голубком, / слезы тяжкие роняет, / за свечой свечу вставляет... / Извела уж сто свечей, / а ничуть не легче ей.' 1595616;1483466961;mircea_popescu;hehe 1595617;1483467262;BingoBoingo;Other higher danger way to unstick screws http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/torque-and-impact-drivers/reversible-impact-driver-set 1595618;1483467288;BingoBoingo;Also taller stack of octopussy likely required. 1595619;1483467292;asciilifeform;lol, perforator 1595620;1483467305;asciilifeform;why not woodchipper. 1595621;1483467311;asciilifeform;or 120mm mortar. 1595622;1483467311;mircea_popescu;small flamethrower 1595623;1483467351;mircea_popescu;it is a point oft verified in history, that if howitzer fails to solve problem it was only because not enough caliber. 1595624;1483467442;*;jurov right today attempted to switch door hinge on a new fridge, wore up a shitty screw, gave up :( 1595625;1483467455;BingoBoingo;Anyways chuck on this could probably grasp free screwdriver shaft http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Milwaukee-1678-21-VSR-Extended-Reach-Hole-Hawg-Drill-/231839081329?_ul=BO 1595626;1483467461;jurov;dunno if pyrotechnics would help 1595627;1483467480;BingoBoingo;jurov: Drill out old screw and tap in new threads 1595628;1483467502;mircea_popescu;jurov in practice, once you notice the screw is shedding, which should not ever happen ever, what you do is you put in one of those magnetic detachable screwdriver bits with cyanoacrylate. once it's cured you take the screw out and throw it away. 1595629;1483467548;jurov;prolly next time when defrosting 1595630;1483467560;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: or epoxy or "red loctite" depending on how much force is planned to be needed to free 1595631;1483467567;mircea_popescu;right. 1595632;1483467628;mircea_popescu;for all the hatred of modern agriculture / plastics, this business beats the shit out of the 1980s method, cut the head and drill the screw. 1595633;1483467968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever actually try this? cyanoacrylate has ~0 torsion strength 1595634;1483467976;asciilifeform;(~everyone thinks of this, and tries it: once) 1595635;1483467994;mircea_popescu;pretty much what i do. 1595636;1483468002;mircea_popescu;why would it need torsion strength ? 1595637;1483468049;BingoBoingo; why would it need torsion strength ? << Some people likely try this too late and cyanoacrylate is a poor filler material 1595638;1483468065;mircea_popescu;ah. that;s why i said, when you notice it ~starts~ shedding. 1595639;1483468074;mircea_popescu;by the time you drilled a hole into the head with your screwdriver... 1595640;1483468104;BingoBoingo;lol 1595641;1483468169;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595511 <<< o noes, i'd have read 1595642;1483468169;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 17:27 asciilifeform: i actually sat down to write a long and painfully pedantic piece about what i did, but gave up, let the diff speak for itself 1595643;1483468256;mircea_popescu;life on island so boring, davout would read anything. 1595644;1483470032;davout;yeah, check it out i'm reading teh log 1595645;1483470039;mircea_popescu;lol 1595646;1483470319;davout;still working on my take on cutting the wallet out of TRB 1595647;1483470328;davout;it is more painful than expectation 1595648;1483470450;mircea_popescu;a shocking development. 1595649;1483470713;davout;well yes, indexing UTXOs by address seems expensive 1595650;1483470729;davout;if you want to index every address 1595651;1483470772;davout;and if you don't, well, you're back at "monitor subset of all addresses" which immediately reduces to "wallet" 1595652;1483470776;mircea_popescu;in other things that seem expensive, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8b667b77c63c92f2f4606e64e7723857/tumblr_o90ypvnzSL1rth3slo1_1280.jpg 1595653;1483472752;ben_vulpes;holy fuq nearly lost a toe on the ride in it's so cold 1595654;1483472772;ben_vulpes;davout: have you considered hammering a spigot in for "gimme utxo's relevant to this address"? 1595655;1483472799;mod6;that's just like the listunspent thing that i backported. 1595656;1483472815;davout;ben_vulpes: i'm listing it as an option 1595657;1483472841;davout;downside of it is "node has to know which addresses to monitor, still has to keep clunk 'rescan' logic as well" 1595658;1483472865;ben_vulpes;mod6: listunspent takes arbitrary addresses or just what's in the wallet already? 1595659;1483472882;asciilifeform;davout: your (hypothetical? or is it done?) uncoupled-wallet -- what does it eat ? 1595660;1483472883;ben_vulpes;davout: i imagined this as a component of bear stone and skin knife transacting 1595661;1483472888;asciilifeform;(incoming blocks?) 1595662;1483472895;asciilifeform;(to learn how much coin you actually have) 1595663;1483472896;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586221 << thread 1595664;1483472896;a111;Logged on 2016-12-19 20:03 trinque: I'd have it run along indexing mine 1595665;1483472901;mod6;ben_vulpes: addys in the wallet 1595666;1483472915;trinque;isn't equivalent to "wallet" 1595667;1483472943;trinque;done right, it'd be cracking the thing into many tools with clear purpose 1595668;1483472952;trinque;davout: ^ 1595669;1483472962;davout;ben_vulpes: to take arbitrary addresses it needs an UTXOs indexed by addresses, which isn't cheap 1595670;1483472978;asciilifeform;trinque: what, in your analysis, is the set of orthogonal pieces 'wallet' breaks into ? 1595671;1483472985;ben_vulpes;davout: or to lean on the clunk, right? 1595672;1483472991;davout;trinque: yeah, that's the kind of design i'd like to end up with 1595673;1483473004;davout;ben_vulpes: i failed to parse 1595674;1483473056;ben_vulpes;instead of maintaining whole 'utxo pool', rescan for specific addresses on demand, shit utxos for that addr onto disk. 1595675;1483473105;trinque;asciilifeform: utxo index for arbitrary selected addresses (emphatically not for all addresses including one user just pulled from his ass), tx maker, tx signer, tx sender 1595676;1483473138;trinque;my wanting to track an address balance may have nothing at all to do with *me* spending to/from that address 1595677;1483473142;davout;ben_vulpes: sounds slow, although i confess i haven't actually experimented 1595678;1483473152;asciilifeform;trinque: looks reasonable 1595679;1483473155;asciilifeform;how does 'tx sender' work ? 1595680;1483473169;davout;trinque asciilifeform tx-sender must be built-in node 1595681;1483473173;trinque;sure 1595682;1483473181;ben_vulpes;davout: a full rescan of the blockchain takes ~12 hours on mod6's machine 1595683;1483473188;ben_vulpes;mod6: or was it shorter? 1595684;1483473193;mod6;it wasn't that long 1595685;1483473203;asciilifeform;the sad part is that this is 'embarrassingly parallel' 1595686;1483473209;trinque;davout: I agree with "RI must bitcoinate *completely*" 1595687;1483473213;davout;ben_vulpes mod6 could probably be heavily parallelized too 1595688;1483473217;mod6;iirc it was somewhere between 3-6 hours. 1595689;1483473221;ben_vulpes;davout: aye 1595690;1483473236;davout;trinque: but "must RI be a single binary?" 1595691;1483473240;trinque;asciilifeform: tx sender is just a "sendrawtxn" that eats the data from user. maybe he made the txn with other RPC calls, maybe got from elsewhere 1595692;1483473263;ben_vulpes;davout: what if one thread finds a tx spent that another thread finds the unspent for 1595693;1483473288;asciilifeform;^ 1595694;1483473318;asciilifeform;i get it, the 'decouple everything', 'unix philosophy!!!' thing is appealing. but it runs into practical limits. 1595695;1483473319;davout;ben_vulpes: if i namedrop 'map-reduce' does that appease you? 1595696;1483473350;asciilifeform;we recently had a thread, where i described how parts of phuctor are quite slow precisely because of such decoupling. 1595697;1483473352;davout;i haven't thought about the rescanning approach much 1595698;1483473354;ben_vulpes;no 1595699;1483473357;trinque;davout: hard to say with current rats nest if things could be that cleanly separated ~starting from trb~ 1595700;1483473396;ben_vulpes;because "map-reduce" does not reduce to "here's how i'm going to solve specifically the case where thread n finds an unspent out and thread n+1 finds its spent and in the reducing phase i collate everything proper-like" 1595701;1483473396;davout;asciilifeform: nobody said it was cheap, maybe we end up finding out it's not really worth it 1595702;1483473403;ben_vulpes;leastaways not in my head 1595703;1483473408;*;trinque goes to find the "cleave the network fiddling and block verifying parts of trb" thread 1595704;1483473444;davout;ben_vulpes: when aggregating the outputs, nuke those for which a spent out is found? it sounds pretty trivial to me, am i missing something obvious? 1595705;1483473459;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586732 1595706;1483473459;a111;Logged on 2016-12-20 19:40 mircea_popescu: at the very least block digestion and peering must be cleaved in trb 1595707;1483473465;asciilifeform;trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562019 << possibly thread 1595708;1483473465;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 15:33 asciilifeform: after slicing apart mempool-node from blockchain-node, building 'dioded node' becomes trivial exercise. 1595709;1483473473;trinque;also that 1595710;1483473491;ben_vulpes;davout: you know maybe i need another cup of coffee 1595711;1483473521;davout;guess the "how do we then ban peers that send garbage" has been brought up wrt the network/data validation cleavage 1595712;1483473553;asciilifeform;trinque: it isn't , currently, clear to me that you can make this cut cleanly without hard-breaking with the traditional protocol. 1595713;1483473565;davout;ben_vulpes: what time is it in ben_vulpistan? 1595714;1483473576;ben_vulpes;davout: "impossible without gossipd" according to asciilifeform 1595715;1483473583;asciilifeform;(what does the thing that actually speaks with peers look like, in your view ? peers will ask for, and send, blocks AND tx, on same socket, as per current protocol.) 1595716;1483473595;ben_vulpes;davout: dunno, "just biked into office after spending as much time with family as i wanted o'clock"? 1595717;1483473612;ben_vulpes;~noon 1595718;1483473640;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: feel free to suggest solution that does not 'require gossipd' but is also not perlistic ducttape. 1595719;1483473648;asciilifeform;everyone will clap. 1595720;1483473658;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: just trying to get the guy up to speed 1595721;1483473680;ben_vulpes;i generally assume "everyone will clap" but rarely have that for which 1595722;1483473685;trinque;I was going to say the same, does require gossipd 1595723;1483473703;trinque;"don't talk to idiots" is a far broader problem than bitcoin 1595724;1483473732;asciilifeform;'requires 80% of gossipd' would be a stronger statement, but then i'd have to explain which 80 1595725;1483473812;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595690 << it actually must not be a binary. 1595726;1483473812;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 19:53 davout: trinque: but "must RI be a single binary?" 1595727;1483473853;asciilifeform;i dun recall anyone ever suggesting that trb be distributed as exe... 1595728;1483473884;asciilifeform;( BingoBoingo quit drink, adlai, iirc, quit lsd, so there is no one left to think this sort of notion ) 1595729;1483473926;mircea_popescu;hey, he asked. 1595730;1483473946;asciilifeform;i parsed it as the sense-making 'build to one binary' 1595731;1483473949;asciilifeform;(as it presently does) 1595732;1483473971;mircea_popescu;what is this "one binary", for srs. 1595733;1483474060;asciilifeform;1 process, in which all threads share (quite catastrophically, as readers of trb ml will know) the heap. 1595734;1483474075;mircea_popescu;well shit, we specifically don't want this 1595735;1483474080;asciilifeform;aha. 1595736;1483474098;mircea_popescu;so hence my answer! 1595737;1483474260;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595700 << this has the cheap solution of "spent prevails" on the theory that it can't be the case an unspent input is ever found spent. 1595738;1483474260;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 19:56 ben_vulpes: because "map-reduce" does not reduce to "here's how i'm going to solve specifically the case where thread n finds an unspent out and thread n+1 finds its spent and in the reducing phase i collate everything proper-like" 1595739;1483474429;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595712 << you've never defined the level of "cleanly" contemplated here ; and for all practical purposes it's not relevant (ie, any uncleanliness in the result is already present in the current soup anyway) 1595740;1483474429;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 19:59 asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't , currently, clear to me that you can make this cut cleanly without hard-breaking with the traditional protocol. 1595741;1483474458;mircea_popescu;it ~may~ be the case that some arbitrary level of cleanliness requires an entirely new universe. this, however, can never inhibit the brushing of toilets. 1595742;1483474467;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the tcp stack per se does not offer any means whereby two proggies speak simultaneously through 1 socket 1595743;1483474482;mircea_popescu;this was not an input in teh scheme. 1595744;1483474505;asciilifeform;so you end up needing a third. (supposing that you are trying to speak the old protocol, with heathens!) 1595745;1483474511;asciilifeform;because if not, then naturally -- not. 1595746;1483474514;mircea_popescu;you do not. a speaks through b and through b only. 1595747;1483474522;asciilifeform;who's b ? 1595748;1483474533;mircea_popescu;b handles the networking ; a handles the blockchain. 1595749;1483474552;asciilifeform;so b there is the 'third' contemplated earlier. 1595750;1483474569;asciilifeform;(really, a 'c', 'a' speaks blockchain and 'b' speaks mempool) 1595751;1483474576;mircea_popescu;no such third was contemplated ; when discussing a proposal you are stuck, willy nilly, first understanding it and then referring it 1595752;1483474589;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: draw the cut plox 1595753;1483474589;mircea_popescu;you're not at liberty to discuss something else, in different terms. 1595754;1483474604;asciilifeform;explicitly, where do you propose the cut 1595755;1483474615;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586739 exactly where trinque linked. 1595756;1483474615;a111;Logged on 2016-12-20 19:42 mircea_popescu: nope. blockchain part will get to it when it gets to it, and tell you. until then, peer part builds queues. 1595757;1483474633;asciilifeform;your 'b' : mempool+networking, 'a' -- blockchain ? 1595758;1483474654;mircea_popescu;which mempool ? each b has one, as a queue. 1595759;1483474672;mircea_popescu;each b, a have one, i mean. 1595760;1483474677;asciilifeform;aite, this is the interpose thing 1595761;1483474681;asciilifeform;(imho good idea) 1595762;1483474720;mircea_popescu;"i have heard this transaction" is of interest to b ; not of a. "this is a transaction from a block" is of interest to a. 1595763;1483474746;mircea_popescu;yes, they're both "transactions" in the terms of the eventual datastruct they'll occupy. they aren't for that reason the same thing. 1595764;1483474752;mircea_popescu;but anyway, this is all well known matter. 1595765;1483474766;asciilifeform;it might be worth mircea_popescu's time to write a detailed sketch of this item. 1595766;1483474815;asciilifeform;(the 'sanity proxy', if you will, for trb) 1595767;1483475328;mircea_popescu;hm. 1595768;1483475621;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : 1595769;1483475622;mircea_popescu;TRB to be split into two parts : TRB.B and TRB.N. Queues B.B B.T N.B to be created. TRB.N inherits the code to connect to peers. TRB.N reads blocks from peers, and puts them in N.B. TRB.N reads txn from peers and puts them in M.T. TRB.N does nothing else (with the possible exception of rate limiting for peers). TRB.B reads N.B and verifies the blocks. if the block is verified it is added to B.B and its component txn to B.T ; 1595770;1483475622;mircea_popescu;otherwise it is discarded. B.T may be pruned (according to arbitrary address list, for instance). Rate limiting in TRB.N may be constructed to observe N.B items that fail to propagate to B.B and ban the originating peers. 1595771;1483475659;mircea_popescu;all three queues to be implemented as ring buffers of user specified size. 1595772;1483475800;mircea_popescu;M.T deliberately left unspecified, it is the equivalent of today's "mempool". perhaps should also be a ring buffer like the other 3. 1595773;1483475892;mircea_popescu;in any case : TRB.N needs write access to N.B and M.T and read access to B.B ; TRB.B needs read access to N.B and write access to B.B and B.T. it may be a good idea to also give TRB.N read access to B.T but this should be operator-knob 1595774;1483475953;asciilifeform;what does B.T do ? 1595775;1483475961;mircea_popescu;that's ~the wallet. 1595776;1483475971;asciilifeform;N.B ? 1595777;1483475974;mircea_popescu;"watched addresses", or something of this kind. 1595778;1483475981;mircea_popescu;"blocks that have been recevied via the network" 1595779;1483476146;mircea_popescu;this scheme among other things cheaply allows the "add arbitrary new address to wallet", just have utility that (separately) processes B.B and produces new set of B.T. 1595780;1483476190;mircea_popescu;but it is not required for B.T to be used only in this way or for this purpose. in principle there could be a whole pile of these, readily extended into whatever operator wants to do. 1595781;1483476225;mircea_popescu;"this is my B.T1 of all txn with no fee, this is my B.T2 of all the payments to my X, this is my B.T3 of all txn over 5kb relayed by ip X"etc. 1595782;1483476283;mircea_popescu;it seems certain B.B belongs on disk. it seems likely B.T also belongs on disk. it seems certain M.T belongs in memory. it seems likely N.B also belongs in memory. 1595783;1483476523;mircea_popescu;in particular N.B should be "older overwrites newer" style ring buffer. of particular concern are situations where the buffer is set shorter than the longest reorg, in which case the node will wedge. TRB.N not accepting blocks with index lower than highest of B.B is for sure not feasible. "how many behind" should be an operator knob. 1595784;1483476541;mircea_popescu;(this knob is then in practice equivalent to the "checkpoints" discussed previously) 1595785;1483476576;*;davout is getting lost in the variable names 1595786;1483476592;mod6;i drew myself a diagram, helps. 1595787;1483476612;mircea_popescu;N indicates networking, B indicates "blockhain", or homebase or whatever. 1595788;1483476678;davout;hrm, i'll have to re-read 1595789;1483476935;mircea_popescu;anyway, the great gain is that no two elements need/have write access to the same thing by this scheme. in point of fact one way to look at current trb/prb is to say that they have "write locks" on all the fucking time and deadlock. 1595790;1483476992;mod6;indeed, synchronized code everywhere. 1595791;1483477731;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can think of one (nonfatal, but quite unpleasant) headache: without a less-idiotic replacement for gnudiff, the resulting cut-trb becomes very difficult to pedigree to trad-trb . sorta like the problem with the tabs/spaces cleanup proposed by mircea_popescu last year 1595792;1483477749;asciilifeform;to rephrase: the resulting vdiff would be quite far from minimal 1595793;1483477756;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595456 << "First, and obviously, since the majority of the students are going to get an A, he just has to do just as well/horrifically as the average student, and if they're all writing about slavery with the enthusiasm of a photocopier then if he wants an A he better buckle down and learn the truly useful skill of masking the words of a Wikipedia page. " 1595794;1483477756;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 15:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/08/grade_inflation.html ; total must-read. 1595795;1483477776;asciilifeform;(gigantic deletes and inserts, rather than the actual 'we moved such-and-such lines to this-here place...') 1595796;1483477830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a problem yeah. will however have to be bit, wtf else to do. 1595797;1483477861;mircea_popescu;"never change anything" i guess. 1595798;1483477911;asciilifeform;i can think of a few palliative pills for it, in particular to structure the deletions and insertions in separate vpatches 1595799;1483477919;asciilifeform;but it does not ~solve~ problem, only makes it manageable. 1595800;1483477923;mircea_popescu;lobbes this incidentally explaisn why wikipedia is such shit - it's ~only function is a sort of open-sourced cliffnotes, and people would much prefer it to be bland and stupidly written so the teacher in class doesn't feel too inclined to think the kids' lifted material isn't his. after all he added all the flavour words in there! 1595801;1483477925;lobbes;That was a great read, thank you. Lined up exactly with my own anecdotal experiences. If I learned one thing in 'business school', it was how to properly bullshit. Only cost some 20k! Real learning didn't happen until after graduating (funnily enough, I also learned to drive -after- getting my license) 1595802;1483477968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, one huge insert patch is still pretty dubious as far as paternity goes. 1595803;1483477978;asciilifeform;yeah 1595804;1483477981;mircea_popescu;i suppose it IS easier to check though 1595805;1483477996;asciilifeform;hence 'palliative' 1595806;1483478003;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1595807;1483478007;asciilifeform;but a differ that ~understands moves~ would be quite spiffy. 1595808;1483478009;asciilifeform;ditto deletes. 1595809;1483478025;asciilifeform;!#s teco 1595810;1483478026;a111;9 results for "teco", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=teco 1595811;1483478078;mircea_popescu;myeah. and if unfixed this issue liable to recur. 1595812;1483478094;mircea_popescu;v is really only as powerful as the underlying differ is. 1595813;1483478177;davout;but if it really needs a magical difftron, can it still be said the operator can see everything with naked eye? 1595814;1483478178;lobbes;Re: wikipedia. I remember early on in grade school I was actually taught that wikipedia was shit. By the time I entered college this tune had changed. Now it all makes sense 1595815;1483478195;mircea_popescu;davout the gordian knot is how to make it both unmagical and self-summarizing. 1595816;1483478202;mircea_popescu;this is obviously true ai problem. 1595817;1483478204;asciilifeform;davout: that'd depend on 'how magical' , neh ? 1595818;1483478322;davout;sure 1595819;1483478499;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely certain that the problem is solvable (it IS possible to define a richer diff language that permits block moves, but this also permits inscrutable-to-naked-eye patches to exist.) 1595820;1483478507;mircea_popescu;yes. 1595821;1483478529;mircea_popescu;i suspect graph theory may have a solution for us, but it is not clear to me how. 1595822;1483478550;asciilifeform;this is why the original genesis was such a painful affair (and why it was and remains important to READ how i did it) 1595823;1483478698;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/venice-refugee-center-patrons-riot-and-take-hostages/ << Qntra - Venice Refugee Center Patrons Riot And Take Hostages 1595824;1483478708;BingoBoingo;lobbes: You had wikipedia in Grade School! Poor Child! 1595825;1483478711;asciilifeform;the entire point in using a differ in vtron at all (as opposed to signing ENTIRE body of work) is to make the work of the reader tractable. 1595826;1483478760;asciilifeform;a patch that has any significant 'cut-and-pasteology' -- tends to make it intractable again. 1595827;1483478781;asciilifeform;(if i cannot ~mechanically~ tell that the untouched parts are untouched -- they are, for all intents and purposes, touched) 1595828;1483478896;mircea_popescu;still, due to the fact that v allows attribution, the change can be digested over time. 1595829;1483478904;asciilifeform;theoretically. 1595830;1483478913;asciilifeform;in actual practice, gigantic turds take eons to fit in head. 1595831;1483478917;asciilifeform;as, e.g., trb itself. 1595832;1483478923;mircea_popescu;true. 1595833;1483478935;asciilifeform;(it remains to be seen if the thing had ever, or will ever, fit entirely in any head) 1595834;1483478942;mircea_popescu;still, the "frozen trb because networking" or "because badlt done block check" etc can't go on forever. 1595835;1483478953;asciilifeform;tru 1595836;1483478982;asciilifeform;though what i pictured is that trb can finally produce the motherfucking ~book~ and it will be possible to start rewrite... 1595837;1483479027;mircea_popescu;and what i pictured were 72 cubits high, translucent, ageless, nonmenstruating and deliver pregnancy to term within the day. 1595838;1483479032;lobbes;BingoBoingo: aha. Yeah, I guess more towards high school. Luckily I was just old enough to still have been taught how to research using actual b00ks and/or libraries. 1595839;1483479040;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these: next!111 1595840;1483479047;mircea_popescu;right-o. 1595841;1483479077;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d643fbf482be283423336539830d4710/tumblr_oahu79jAGK1vyw3iyo1_1280.jpg 1595842;1483479234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho it is necessary to 'defile grandfather's pistol' in certain carefully-selected ways, but only if it can be done while making it clear that it was defiled in ~these but not other, unspoken~ ways 1595843;1483479285;asciilifeform;to steal from mircea_popescu's article on subj, 'get inseminated on purpose, rather than 'because hey, there was a party, and i like to drink'' 1595844;1483480529;deedbot;http://fr.anco.is/2017/removing-the-wallet-from-trb-first-thoughts << fr.anco.is - Removing the wallet from TRB, first thoughts 1595845;1483481033;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595836 <<< my image is more like: "trb is this thing from which more and more is removed, until only the radioactive code consisting in ball of tightly packed hot wires which we proceed to put in a little box in which epoxy is poured, and is only interacted with as some black box" 1595846;1483481033;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 21:29 asciilifeform: though what i pictured is that trb can finally produce the motherfucking ~book~ and it will be possible to start rewrite... 1595847;1483481075;asciilifeform;davout: thing is, there is no such thing as this 'hot core' 1595848;1483481090;asciilifeform;spittoon is in, imho, one strand. 1595849;1483481189;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's (and later again jurov's) utter failure to unravel the heap, at least, suggests this. 1595850;1483481225;asciilifeform;this was, if anyone recalls, the reason i asked for the functional flow graph 1595851;1483481236;asciilifeform;to lean what ~actually depends~ on what. 1595852;1483481253;asciilifeform;so that the places to make all plausible cuts become apparentl 1595853;1483481256;asciilifeform;*apparent 1595854;1483481295;asciilifeform;(unfortunately a flow graph where every motherfucking line intersects 55 other lines, is NOT good for anything) 1595855;1483481534;asciilifeform;*learn 1595856;1483481556;davout;yet another obvious benefit of amputating the wallet, miner and everything that can pretty obviously done without 1595857;1483481586;davout;but i also get the other point, a lot of that complexity becomes apparent once one actually goes ahead and pops the hood 1595858;1483481626;asciilifeform;i historically refused to touch the miner, and will not encourage anyone to touch it, because neither i nor anyone i know is equipped to properly test the result. 1595859;1483481652;asciilifeform;(a result where there is ~no~ miner available, i exclude from consideration because it pisses on the R in 'trb') 1595860;1483481672;asciilifeform;wallet - sure. 1595861;1483481743;asciilifeform;now you ~could~ make the -- imho very tenuous -- argument that mining logic is ~implicitly~ present in the block verification logic. 1595862;1483481772;asciilifeform;but it is a stretch. and does not let you ignite a bitcoin overnight if transported to alpha centauri (or, more likely, earth-with-broken-mainnet) 1595863;1483481832;asciilifeform;trb miner is mircea_popescu's 'fleet in being' 1595864;1483481851;asciilifeform;gotta be ready to roll on five minutes' notice if the old miners ALL go home SIMULTANEOUSLY. 1595865;1483481904;asciilifeform;incidentally, ben_vulpes -- what height are your 'solipsist nodes' up to nao? 1595866;1483481921;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i've been working on phf's recommendations of late 1595867;1483481926;ben_vulpes;so -- zero 1595868;1483481945;ben_vulpes;haven't made checkpoints configurable, so solipsist nodes won't even mine 1595869;1483481981;ben_vulpes;unless i misunderstand, the project is truly blocked on making checkpoints configurable. 1595870;1483481983;davout;asciilifeform: i don't thing the argument that the block validation logic can be found in the block validation logic is tenuous 1595871;1483481993;davout;make the miner a separate bin 1595872;1483482038;ben_vulpes;(fwiw i'm down to the last ghostly suggestion, which was to read in the hash as a bignum) 1595873;1483482095;asciilifeform;davout: aha, separate bin. but not 'today NO miner and MAYBE SOMEDAY a new miner' 1595874;1483482111;asciilifeform;no transformation of mud-todays into jam-tomorrows plox. 1595875;1483482155;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what means 'as a bignum' ? 1595876;1483482187;asciilifeform;i.e. as an object you can divide by 33 ? 1595877;1483482189;asciilifeform;why?? 1595878;1483482202;davout;asciilifeform: i think it would be hard to make the argument that a separate binary sitting aside the node could hurt in any way 1595879;1483482218;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i misspeak, 'as an integer' 1595880;1483482223;asciilifeform;davout: could, theoretically, hurt, if it requires adding 100,000 lines of i/o glue logic 1595881;1483482263;davout;the miner does require the transactions being mined to be valid, so there's that 1595882;1483482266;asciilifeform;let's take the cuts as specified by mircea_popescu earlier. 1595883;1483482275;asciilifeform;they will require a -- quite complicated -- entirely new protocol 1595884;1483482281;asciilifeform;for the components to speak to one another. 1595885;1483482311;davout;we might en up with a libbitcoinconsensus.a 1595886;1483482317;ben_vulpes;triggered 1595887;1483482320;davout;png 1595888;1483482326;davout;trollface.png 1595889;1483482390;davout;either way, imma head to bed, interdasted in comments re mah wallet cut piece 1595890;1483482468;asciilifeform;davout, ben_vulpes , et al : it is also tricky to properly rule out the situation where split-trb node behaves like a 'split-brain patient', and external observer gets contradictory answers from it to some possible question 1595891;1483482482;asciilifeform;(this is a certainty if the various components do not AT ALL TIMES agree) 1595892;1483482569;davout;pilot handbook 101: "if after landing you need to apply full throttle to get back to your parking spot, you probably forgot to lower the gear" 1595893;1483482587;asciilifeform;aahahahaha 1595894;1483482642;asciilifeform;davout: similar book i recently read -- claimed that 'gear retract on parking lot' accidents are still a regular thing 1595895;1483482645;asciilifeform;i gotta wonder why 1595896;1483482677;asciilifeform;gear button is right next to starter button, or wat. 1595897;1483482680;davout;yeah, i've heard some things like that too 1595898;1483482722;davout;in these case it appears the cause is often confusion with the flaps lever 1595899;1483482726;davout;*cases 1595900;1483482741;asciilifeform;lulzy 1595901;1483482748;davout;after you land you retract flaps 1595902;1483482760;davout;but obviously retracting gear isn't a good idea 1595903;1483482765;asciilifeform;i'd naively think that this would've been resolved in 1930s, if not earlier, just make the levers vastly different (shapes, or lengths, and feel, etc) 1595904;1483482772;davout;i have nfi why some airplanes allow this 1595905;1483482783;asciilifeform;davout: didja ever weigh in on the rudder thread ? 1595906;1483482787;davout;asciilifeform: they *are* very different 1595907;1483482791;ben_vulpes;fuck levers, pressure on the wheels should engage hard interlock 1595908;1483482795;asciilifeform;(why do we still find pedals on ~all machines) 1595909;1483482800;davout;asciilifeform: no? 1595910;1483482827;asciilifeform;davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574899 << thread 1595911;1483482827;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:04 asciilifeform: i have here a b00k on piloting circa 1940, and already then author insists that rudder pedals are obsolete and have killed a thousand men 1595912;1483482833;davout;maybe i'll understand the answer to this mystery when i become retractable gear certified! 1595913;1483482879;davout;small thread is small 1595914;1483482901;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: my current (wholly nonexpert) understanding is that airplane DELIBERATELY omits 'hard interlocks' wherever possible, on the principle that not-being-able-to-X-when-you-must is worse than can-X-when-you-mustn't 1595915;1483482923;davout;well, you need rudder, how else are you going to, you know, pilot? 1595916;1483482945;asciilifeform;davout: e.g., 'ercoupe', had rudder, but linked to ailerons 1595917;1483482952;asciilifeform;so 0 pedals. 1595918;1483482967;ben_vulpes;i have only recently developed an interest in ice flugen mobiles 1595919;1483483008;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes had a 'trains' boyhood didn't he. 1595920;1483483012;asciilifeform;in 19th c! 1595921;1483483054;trinque;anecdotally I seem to recall my dad talking about using rudder in crosswinds on large aircraft 1595922;1483483059;trinque;ianap 1595923;1483483081;davout;trinque: yeah, i have nfi how i'd land anything in a xwind without rudder 1595924;1483483102;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: sailboats, motorbots, cars, bicycles mostly 1595925;1483483122;trinque;right, not as if you can roll the aircraft when you're about to touch ground (intentionally!) 1595926;1483483122;davout;asciilifeform: i'll research this ercoupe thing, seems interdasting 1595927;1483483126;ben_vulpes;horses and women as opportunity presented 1595928;1483483145;davout;trinque: actually you *are* supposed to 1595929;1483483147;asciilifeform;davout: it was a (long-extinct) machine from the age of 'everybody will have an airplane' 1595930;1483483163;asciilifeform;davout: the place that made'em is not far from where i live, it was slowly demolished over decades 1595931;1483483166;trinque;davout: in a not wings horizontally level manner? 1595932;1483483175;davout;trinque: no 1595933;1483483192;davout;when landing in a crosswind you basically apply rudder during the approach so that your airplane flies towards the runway, but the nose pointing to the side 1595934;1483483203;davout;'crab-like' 1595935;1483483211;trinque;yeh, what I was fumbling for 1595936;1483483223;ben_vulpes;note! this does not mean the wings are not horizontal 1595937;1483483224;trinque;isn't that yaw? 1595938;1483483232;davout;and when you are about to touchdown, you apply rudder to align the nose with the runway 1595939;1483483238;davout;but that causes the plane to drift 1595940;1483483243;davout;sideways 1595941;1483483252;davout;you apply roll to counter the drift 1595942;1483483263;trinque;yeah I thought that was called yaw 1595943;1483483273;trinque;it is 1595944;1483483309;asciilifeform;davout: are there any situations other than crosswind landings/takeoffs where you need yaw-without-roll ? 1595945;1483483311;davout;if the wind comes from the right you'll end up landing with right wheel first, then left wheel, then nose wheel 1595946;1483483325;trinque;oic 1595947;1483483332;asciilifeform;(and in fact, do those entirely ~demand~ yaw-without-roll?) 1595948;1483483333;davout;asciilifeform: yeah 1595949;1483483343;davout;motor effects 1595950;1483483370;davout;lemme check out how that's referred to in engrish 1595951;1483483386;asciilifeform;davout: i thought motor effect could only affect roll 1595952;1483483412;asciilifeform;(gyroscopic moment of the motor, but also differently-impacting stream from propeller on one wing vs other) 1595953;1483483441;trinque;easiest example that comes to mind would be losing an engine on a multi-engine plane 1595954;1483483454;davout;here ya go 1595955;1483483455;davout;http://wiki.flightgear.org/Understanding_Propeller_Torque_and_P-Factor#Propeller_torque_effect 1595956;1483483483;davout;asciilifeform: propeller torque is one thing 1595957;1483483504;davout;gyroscopic precession of the propeller when changing directions is yet another thing 1595958;1483483529;*;asciilifeform satisfied! will buy machine with rudder! 1595959;1483483536;davout;also trinque is right, when losing an engine on a multi-engine you need to apply rudder to compensate for the thrust differential 1595960;1483483537;ben_vulpes;yeah see when they start talking like this my flugenboner starts to droop 1595961;1483483547;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wai's that 1595962;1483483571;asciilifeform;most folxs' -- hardens 1595963;1483483582;davout;which is also why there's yet another minimum speed for a multi engine running on a single engine 1595964;1483483588;ben_vulpes;trained response to risky dynamics problems 1595965;1483483603;davout;below which the rudder loses sufficient authority to compensate for the asymmetric thrust 1595966;1483483643;davout;ben_vulpes: piloting when you're actually in the plane is an entirely different thing 1595967;1483483654;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i suspect that if i start to explore this risk manifold i will have trouble not ratcheting the risk back 1595968;1483483661;davout;basically "watch your airspeed, watch the fucking airspeed" 1595969;1483483681;davout;also "the ball goddammit" 1595970;1483483686;ben_vulpes;see http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=960_1477239016 1595971;1483483690;asciilifeform;davout: different thing from what? from piloting on grid paper and with pen? i'd imagine so! 1595972;1483483729;davout;asciilifeform: point is piloting a small plane there's just a few things to pay attention to constantly 1595973;1483483740;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lulzy contrast of the solid 'hp oscilloscope' goodness of the console buttons, with the crapple turd 1595974;1483483971;ben_vulpes;amusing on so very many levels 1595975;1483484210;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it would be utterly nutso to consider an ode/fluids sim as a hashing function, right? 1595976;1483484236;asciilifeform;almost the very definition of terrible hashing function 1595977;1483484262;asciilifeform;because the transition between 'irreducibly complex' and 'braindamagedly simple' phase space is unknown. 1595978;1483484280;ben_vulpes;very similar inputs could, even over long runs, result in very similar outputs 1595979;1483484290;asciilifeform;in a hash for just about any application you want to always live in the former and never, ever in the latter. 1595980;1483484315;ben_vulpes;elaborate? 1595981;1483484326;ben_vulpes;or point me at something to read? 1595982;1483484333;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: consider the things you actually want from a cryptographic hash 1595983;1483484342;asciilifeform;just take a piece of paper, and list'em 1595984;1483484356;asciilifeform;then list things you do ~not~ want 1595985;1483484441;asciilifeform;and if you want reading material, reread the thread where mircea_popescu suggested crypto using transcendental constants etc 1595986;1483484482;asciilifeform;(tldr -- a digital approximation of a complex process is 1) not ~the process itself~, noshit.jpg 2) not necessarily all that complex, in the chaos/avalanche sense, or in any way cryptologically hard) 1595987;1483484545;ben_vulpes;mhm 1595988;1483484730;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: to take toy example: 'game of life' playing field state, with initial state S and move count M, naively might seem like good crypto 1595989;1483484737;asciilifeform;but if you actually try this, you will learn that it is not. 1595990;1483484767;asciilifeform;because 'life' automaton tends to settle into quiescent states (bunch of small oscillating 'critters', no real turmoil) 1595991;1483484776;ben_vulpes;myup. 1595992;1483484828;asciilifeform;there is ~0 actual relationship between 'confusing to the naked eye' and 'crypto-hard' 1595993;1483484852;ben_vulpes;b-but turbulence! 1595994;1483484852;asciilifeform;most schemes naively stemming from such confusion end up equivalent to electric version of invisible ink. 1595995;1483484895;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you know how to get effect entirely analogous to gas turbulence in a purely electric machine, there are many folks who will clap, do say. 1595996;1483484917;ben_vulpes;i am no karman reincarnate with god's knowledge 1595997;1483484960;asciilifeform;and if you can achieve it in a ~discrete~ system, you can get wolfram to drink himself to death, by properly demonstrating 'cellular physics' (tm) (r) where he failed. 1595998;1483484974;asciilifeform;all by itself it'd be a worthwhile thing, if only for this. 1595999;1483485376;asciilifeform;to go back to hashes, and if you for some reason eschew 'when hiring fortune-teller, hire the cheapest', 1596000;1483485397;asciilifeform;i know of 0 uses for a 'hash' where the same ~input~ is not guaranteed to produce ~same output~ 1596001;1483485438;asciilifeform;but i could think of one definitive improvement over traditional hashes: non-algebraic (see recent 'rsa padding' thread) tranform 1596002;1483485442;asciilifeform;*transform 1596003;1483485465;asciilifeform;essentially, anything where you cannot, in any practical computer, express the hash's reversal as an n-sat problem 1596004;1483485503;asciilifeform;all well-known hash algos, afaik, lack this property. 1596005;1483485531;asciilifeform;they are arithmetical, because the designers insisted that the hash be computable in fixed number of cpu cycles. 1596006;1483485558;asciilifeform;this is great from many pov but imposes own cost. 1596007;1483485570;ben_vulpes;why is 'fixed number of cpu cycles' a great thing? 1596008;1483485579;asciilifeform;because it is bounded 1596009;1483485583;ben_vulpes;wyrdmantis: again with the laptop messages 1596010;1483485585;asciilifeform;(and tends to be small) 1596011;1483485626;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: a non-algebraic ('programmatic') hash algo opens the possibility of crafted cpu-ddos 1596012;1483485638;asciilifeform;esp. if the actual computation is unbounded 1596013;1483485662;asciilifeform;(recall one of the nails in the ethertardium coffin) 1596014;1483485936;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595849 iirc the issue is pervasive use of std::map, which fucks with the heap like horny pig 1596015;1483485936;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 22:06 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's (and later again jurov's) utter failure to unravel the heap, at least, suggests this. 1596016;1483485952;asciilifeform;aha 1596017;1483485985;asciilifeform;and not only of std::map in the abstract, but of the same set of maps everywhere in trb, simultaneously, and at the same time with the pestilential global locks 1596018;1483486005;asciilifeform;and there are no provisions for safely ~removing a tx~ from mempool, ever, at all 1596019;1483486079;asciilifeform;(every tx in memory relies on its inputs being present , and at all times becomes a threat to crash the process if one should turn out not to be there. ~all pointers potentially dangle . thing is as rotten as could be imagined.) 1596020;1483486710;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/iraqi-government-violating-latest-opec-agreement-government-blames-kurds/ << Qntra - Iraqi Government Violating Latest OPEC Agreement, Government Blames Kurds 1596021;1483486980;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/how-to-fuck-up-without-being-a-fuckup << CH - How to Fuck Up Without Being a Fuckup 1596022;1483492037;BingoBoingo;OMG ben_vulpes wrote on Step 9! 1596023;1483492044;ben_vulpes;;) 1596024;1483492054;BingoBoingo;!~step9 1596025;1483492054;jhvh1;9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. 1596026;1483494107;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595862 << this is a stronger argument than it appears. we may find ourselves in the position where we have to, if not "mine" in the current sense, say what mining should be. in no case can it be "oh, mining, not something we care about". about mining, about any other part. 1596027;1483494107;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 22:16 asciilifeform: but it is a stretch. and does not let you ignite a bitcoin overnight if transported to alpha centauri (or, more likely, earth-with-broken-mainnet) 1596028;1483494153;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595871 << in practice this is how it works, and has, for at least 3 years now. 1596029;1483494153;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 22:19 davout: make the miner a separate bin 1596030;1483494224;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595883 << the only reason to even do it is if no protocol is created at all. 1596031;1483494224;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 22:24 asciilifeform: they will require a -- quite complicated -- entirely new protocol 1596032;1483494235;mircea_popescu;the whole point is for them to NOT speak to one another. 1596033;1483494380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does txtron accept/reject without talking to blockchaintron? 1596034;1483494389;asciilifeform;what am i missing 1596035;1483494397;mircea_popescu;puts into queue. accepts nothing, rejects nothing. 1596036;1483494433;asciilifeform;who eats the queue then ? 1596037;1483494441;mircea_popescu;trb.b 1596038;1483494463;asciilifeform;so they talk! via the queue 1596039;1483494488;asciilifeform;(trb.b, presumably, polls..?) 1596040;1483494489;mircea_popescu;no. one just reads, the other just writes, at all points where they interact. no talking is contemplated, and if this is "a protocol" then it's already given. 1596041;1483494543;asciilifeform;what happens when evilpeer dumps a TB of liquishit into the queue? 1596042;1483494559;mircea_popescu;do you read the spec or just sit there and dream a little dream ? 1596043;1483494566;asciilifeform;i did 1596044;1483494578;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595783 1596045;1483494578;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 20:48 mircea_popescu: in particular N.B should be "older overwrites newer" style ring buffer. of particular concern are situations where the buffer is set shorter than the longest reorg, in which case the node will wedge. TRB.N not accepting blocks with index lower than highest of B.B is for sure not feasible. "how many behind" should be an operator knob. 1596046;1483494583;mircea_popescu;including that part ? 1596047;1483494604;asciilifeform;aha, incl that part. 1596048;1483494611;mircea_popescu;so then what happens ? 1596049;1483494642;asciilifeform;in the tx case, anybody can overwrite legit tx in your buffer by dumping liquishit in. 1596050;1483494656;mircea_popescu;there is no tx. you do not read. what is N.B ? 1596051;1483494700;asciilifeform;candidate-block receiver, neh? 1596052;1483494707;mircea_popescu;so then. 1596053;1483494844;asciilifeform;in the case of candidate-block and candidate-mempooltx queue receiver (from outside the walls), mircea_popescu proposes to throw out even the weak logic for banning obvious crapola that we have today in trb? 1596054;1483494883;asciilifeform;(banning would, as far as i can tell, require 2way comms b/w the modules) 1596055;1483494933;asciilifeform;and whatdoyoumean 'no tx', is the thing contemplated a wholly mempool-less node ? 1596056;1483494964;*;asciilifeform goes to reread mircea_popescu's scheme 1596057;1483495054;mircea_popescu;i don't think today's logic does anything ; and i don't expect carrying it forward is useful. spec does include room for trb.n to do some banning, including on the basis of passively exfiltrated data from trb.b. that a protocol for this purpose may later develop i don't dispute, but it's not included both because it's not needed and because it can't become a "dependency". it's not. 1596058;1483495057;mircea_popescu;and in other alt-universes, http://68.media.tumblr.com/29a57cee1f8350a5c981f7ec5d318221/tumblr_mqko9plKqo1r7dgcpo8_1280.png 1596059;1483495097;mircea_popescu;and no, not wholly mempool less. there is m.t. what it contains - we care not. when problems will arise, they will be solved without impacting on the core scheme. 1596060;1483495111;mircea_popescu;that being the fundamental point of separation in the first place. 1596061;1483495143;mircea_popescu;(the correct solving scheme is still as i said back when we were discussing mempools, to keep track of peers (yes, by ips) and score them by the fees they bring your mempool. with this change -- that is even implementable.) 1596062;1483495308;asciilifeform;while i like the 'diode' aspect of this scheme, i will say that my public nodes would fall down in about three seconds, and permanently, if the primitive autobanhammer of gaviniferously-symptomatic peers were to be switched off. 1596063;1483495317;asciilifeform;(confirmed, experimentally.) 1596064;1483495397;asciilifeform;perhaps if nothing could possibly land in the queues faster than it can be eaten, this would not be so. 1596065;1483495410;mircea_popescu;you don't have to switch it off ; carry it over. 1596066;1483495437;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how you maintain your mempool atm ; or if it is what you're talking about even, is it ? 1596067;1483495455;asciilifeform;stock trb mempool 1596068;1483495470;mircea_popescu;so then use that. as the spec says, m.t specifically left unspecified. 1596069;1483495484;mircea_popescu;this is what "trb.n inherits network code" means. let it inherit. 1596070;1483495755;asciilifeform;well the old code has ban(...) which instructs 'this datum was a malicious turd and i dun want no moar from that ip' 1596071;1483495774;mircea_popescu;and reads the blockchain to do that ? 1596072;1483495793;asciilifeform;in the case of verifying a block -- it does 1596073;1483495802;mircea_popescu;we were discussing txn and mempool. 1596074;1483495818;asciilifeform;in those, you also need blockchain 1596075;1483495836;mircea_popescu;then no wonder your node falls over. 1596076;1483495862;asciilifeform;(a tx can have valid form in all sense other than being a doublespend, mircea_popescu knows this) 1596077;1483495886;mircea_popescu;i do, but it is also insanity. 1596078;1483495950;mircea_popescu;you cvan not engage in an open ended "i will for all comers do the work of checking one cent txn against a 10 dollar blockchain". 1596079;1483495975;asciilifeform;it is physical reality, and ergo by definition no moar 'insane' than gravity. unless mircea_popescu offers a breakthrough where we can test doublespendity without keeping blockchain around at all 1596080;1483495996;mircea_popescu;to doublespend you have to MINE it. to accept something in mempool, does not mean it has become accepted in blockchain. 1596081;1483496006;mircea_popescu;something like "one txn accepted in mempool per hour per peer" is reasonable. 1596082;1483496018;mircea_popescu;how MUCH verification work i wish to do for the world - is my choice, not the world's. 1596083;1483496019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here i gotta agree, the 'allcomers can get their tx candidates evaluated' is doomed 1596084;1483496025;mircea_popescu;right. 1596085;1483496047;asciilifeform;just like i can't go and offer a candidate tx to swift because i feel like it 1596086;1483496048;mircea_popescu;worked while it worked but on the long term "collegiallity" of this elk is unsustainable. 1596087;1483496099;*;asciilifeform is a bit more 'doomer' than mircea_popescu on this subj, and does not see a future for 'anyone can send packet to anyone' net in ~general~ 1596088;1483496113;mircea_popescu;yes but there's at least a decade between these. 1596089;1483496178;asciilifeform;1 tx / hr / peer will make for one hell of a turtle relay 1596090;1483496188;mircea_popescu;tough titties, get in people's wots/gossipds. 1596091;1483496201;mircea_popescu;this is a fine avenue of rebalancing the miner/node nonsense. 1596092;1483496232;mircea_popescu;(yes, yes, "prb nodes will outcompete". sure. and reddit/wikipedia/etc outcompete us, totally.) 1596093;1483496245;asciilifeform;seems to me like it might unduly empower miners. 1596094;1483496273;mircea_popescu;how do you reason ? 1596095;1483496296;asciilifeform;if being 1 hop closer to a miner now means an hour less avg. delay. 1596096;1483496303;asciilifeform;instead of a few min. 1596097;1483496304;mircea_popescu;davout your four main pieces are a b and c ? 1596098;1483496322;asciilifeform;waiwat 1596099;1483496329;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody forces you to keep the throttle in place for your friends. 1596100;1483496346;asciilifeform;how does your box know who are 'friends' 1596101;1483496352;mircea_popescu;so in my thinking it incentivizes proper behaviour. 1596102;1483496363;mircea_popescu;by ip. yes yes, i know i know. 1596103;1483496364;asciilifeform;you gotta have the crypto auth. 1596104;1483496383;asciilifeform;and RST-idiocy-proof pipe. 1596105;1483496407;asciilifeform;aite, we had thread, i won't repeat 1596106;1483496411;mircea_popescu;these are good-to-have, not dependencies. let the lizzard queen fuck with ips a while first. 1596107;1483496426;asciilifeform;tru 1596108;1483496468;asciilifeform;i like mircea_popescu's scheme, imho it should be written exactly like-so 1596109;1483496505;mircea_popescu;we'll see if we find someone to do it, nao. 1596110;1483496540;mircea_popescu;!!up PUMBLECHOOK 1596111;1483496541;deedbot;PUMBLECHOOK voiced for 30 minutes. 1596112;1483496790;mircea_popescu;(re the above discussion - one of the B.Ts may well be "cache of txns with unspent outputs" specifically to aid in mempool evaluation. but this is philosophy 102.) 1596113;1483496797;mircea_popescu;(re the above discussion - one of the B.Ts may well be "cache of txns with unspent outputs" specifically to aid in mempool evaluation. but this is philosophy 102.) 1596114;1483496808;mircea_popescu;doh. 1596115;1483497455;mircea_popescu;in other news wow Framedragger your log selection thing is immensely useful for eg leaving comments on davout 's site. 1596116;1483497468;mircea_popescu;who, apparently, still has his doubtsd about me, and moderation-queues mah comments! 1596117;1483497736;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595903 << gas pumps for diesel look every year more like dildos, accidentally poured gasoline in diesel engine accidents still occur. 1596118;1483497736;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 22:32 asciilifeform: i'd naively think that this would've been resolved in 1930s, if not earlier, just make the levers vastly different (shapes, or lengths, and feel, etc) 1596119;1483498214;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, the ~only way to achieve this 'feat' is to pour into jerrycan first 1596120;1483498310;*;asciilifeform often wondered why the things can't simply be made threaded, and with variant thread 1596121;1483498316;mircea_popescu;for srs. 1596122;1483498352;mod6;it easy to put unleaded regular gas into a diesel, but not vice-versa. the diesal nozzles are too large for a standard gasoline tube. 1596123;1483498356;asciilifeform;'... and that was how we found that the average policeman is not so smart, but very strong' (from -- iirc -- one of mircea_popescu's articles) 1596124;1483498374;mircea_popescu;and in other news, girl preparing to weigh self, "if it shows me over what i started at ima jump out the window". me, equanimous "wouldn't it be better to jump out window if surprisingly light, than if surprisingly heavy ?' 1596125;1483498459;mod6;know someone this happened to once, apparently diesel was shooting flames of unleaded out of the tailpile, while running like dog-shit (excessive knocking etc). 1596126;1483498497;mod6;*tailpipe 1596127;1483498509;asciilifeform;(possibly davout might have some input) i recently read an american-flavoured thing re pilotage accidents, and it dwelled on 'jp in petrol tank' , insidious condition where the engine ~will~ start but tends to quit ~during takeoff~, guaranteed corpse 1596128;1483498594;asciilifeform;they have clever nozzles now, but there are always mega-heroes who manage to fuel up with entirely wrong liquid 1596129;1483498687;mod6;yeah, actually, now that I think about it, i was told that in this particular case I was talking about, the guy didn't even put in regular unleaded (87 octane), he put in like 110 octane racing fuel. 1596130;1483498691;mod6;lol 1596131;1483498724;mod6;i guess this took place at a refueling stop in the middle of the night. 1596132;1483498759;mod6;asciilifeform: jp = jet fuel? 1596133;1483498774;asciilifeform;aha 1596134;1483498789;mod6;is that the same as the JET-A1 or whatever I sometimes see on the side of tanks? 1596135;1483498794;asciilifeform;it 1596136;1483498798;mod6;aha 1596137;1483498810;asciilifeform;(there are other variants sold, but mostly 'A' on most of the planet) 1596138;1483499194;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/how-to-actually-learn-programming << CH - How to (actually) "learn programming" 1596139;1483499655;mod6;ben_vulpes: fyi, second edition has the red cover, the first edition is the blue cover one. 1596140;1483499779;mircea_popescu;mod6 theoretically cylinders blow. 1596141;1483499798;mod6;yeah, can wreck the thing for sure. 1596142;1483499989;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595914 << this is just about it ; the python 3 cancer hasn't eaten through most of that yet. at least afaik. 1596143;1483499989;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 22:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my current (wholly nonexpert) understanding is that airplane DELIBERATELY omits 'hard interlocks' wherever possible, on the principle that not-being-able-to-X-when-you-must is worse than can-X-when-you-mustn't 1596144;1483500627;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595972 << kinda where all those "great future everyone flies plane" threads always die, with mp saying "i wouldn't put that work in if the plane sucked my cock." 1596145;1483500627;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 22:48 davout: asciilifeform: point is piloting a small plane there's just a few things to pay attention to constantly 1596146;1483500654;asciilifeform;d00d dun even drive cars!11 1596147;1483500744;BingoBoingo;Apparently all of a sudden "mesentery is new organ", Leonardo years ago 1596148;1483500745;mircea_popescu;aha 1596149;1483501025;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595990 lies! https://niginsblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/07/new-spaceship-speed-in-conways-game-of-life/ 1596150;1483501025;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 23:06 asciilifeform: because 'life' automaton tends to settle into quiescent states (bunch of small oscillating 'critters', no real turmoil) 1596151;1483501233;asciilifeform;these and others are neato but for some reason ~never show up unless hand-built 1596152;1483501246;asciilifeform;rather like real-life spacecraft. 1596153;1483501258;mircea_popescu;mostly linked because of the epic announcement, "there may be bugs in gfind" 1596154;1483501267;mircea_popescu;DUDE BUT I THOUGHT MANY INTELLIGENT EYES MAKE BUGS SHALLOW 1596155;1483501956;asciilifeform;https://cp4space.wordpress.com/2016/05/02/is-craig-wright/ << small vintage lulgem from mircea_popescu's link 1596156;1483501972;asciilifeform;(linked mainly for the comments. seriously, wtf) 1596157;1483502034;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/zJE2z7.jpg << Hamplanetary destination for space ship. Also an eater. 1596158;1483502149;asciilifeform;herr doktor mengele could not even dream , of what welfare state creates 1,001 every day nao. 1596159;1483502214;mircea_popescu;now this is tru 1596160;1483502249;BingoBoingo;I think you mispelled "wellfed state" 1596161;1483502432;trinque;https://www.rt.com/usa/372609-public-decency-boston-law/ << ahahaha, hey mats, let it be known that you can jack it on the subway up there so long as nobody's "shocked" or "alarmed" 1596162;1483502443;trinque;The state’s highest court explained, “the detective was the only eyewitness who testified to the defendant's conduct” and that he was disgusted “after viewing the defendant's exposed penis, not for himself, but rather out of ‘concern’ for the women seated on the bench.” 1596163;1483502482;mircea_popescu;this has been good law for a century + 1596164;1483502540;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595997 << now this! 1596165;1483502540;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 23:09 asciilifeform: and if you can achieve it in a ~discrete~ system, you can get wolfram to drink himself to death, by properly demonstrating 'cellular physics' (tm) (r) where he failed. 1596166;1483502551;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency eur 1596167;1483502557;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 999.893604, vol: 8443.50362043 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 984.02502, vol: 257.15036 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 1043.716113, vol: 1914935.90380000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 1003.108, vol: 8466.09555672 | Volume-weighted last average: 1043.33872246 1596168;1483502814;BingoBoingo;http://www.slackware.com/security/viewer.php?l=slackware-security&y=2016&m=slackware-security.567619 1596169;1483502952;asciilifeform;lel, 512b pgp key?! 1596170;1483503037;BingoBoingo;You know where to stuff it! 1596171;1483503052;mircea_popescu;iot ? 1596172;1483503091;asciilifeform;(btw, trinque et al, here's a bot command idea: #!k (for instance) takes url and looks for pgp keyblocks or sigs or any other pgptronic object from which a key bitness , fp, or other interesting attribute can be pgpdump'd, and prints same in log) 1596173;1483503137;mircea_popescu;how is it supposed to do this ?! 1596174;1483503151;asciilifeform;pgpdump -i 1596175;1483503192;asciilifeform;curl http://foo | pgpdump -i | .... to be 'precise'. 1596176;1483503216;mircea_popescu;this is so horribly stated. so what you want is, for trinque or you, these being the only "et al" curtrently keeping pgp data ; to implement a search through it by random string ? 1596177;1483503251;asciilifeform;nope 1596178;1483503293;asciilifeform;a 'this www has apparent pgp signature, let's see whose, and for the record', was the idea. 1596179;1483503327;asciilifeform;probably not all that useful unless part of archive bot. 1596180;1483503364;mircea_popescu;you want it to go through a www page, find all signature blocks, and identify it as a fingerprint then ? 1596181;1483503369;asciilifeform;and nobody needs to 'search by random string', phuctor eats fp. 1596182;1483503405;mircea_popescu;"this page contains signatures from x y z " with links to phuctor pages ? 1596183;1483503410;asciilifeform;aha 1596184;1483503426;asciilifeform;practical? 1596185;1483503429;mircea_popescu;you ~could say that~ you know. what you actually said was like, gosh jolly. 1596186;1483503438;mircea_popescu;yeah it's actually not even a bad idea. 1596187;1483503457;mircea_popescu;possibru shinohai feels like adding whistles to jhvh1 ? 1596188;1483503758;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596139 << fixed, ty 1596189;1483503758;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 03:14 mod6: ben_vulpes: fyi, second edition has the red cover, the first edition is the blue cover one. 1596190;1483503825;ben_vulpes;these episode 2 crickets are unsettling, perhaps i need to write more things for people to disagree with 1596191;1483503888;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the blue-cover crapola thing is technically a different b00k 1596192;1483503914;asciilifeform;that s. peddled as a 'replacement' for 'applied crypto' 1596193;1483503938;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: has libkez on tap? 1596194;1483503988;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it was 'cryptography engineering' 1596195;1483504042;asciilifeform;we had a thread. 1596196;1483504073;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wut is this virutal server ? 1596197;1483504116;ben_vulpes;typical aws digitalocean thingers 1596198;1483504132;mircea_popescu;like a virtual server ? 1596199;1483504145;ben_vulpes;... 1596200;1483504150;ben_vulpes;k 1596201;1483504152;ben_vulpes;thanks 1596202;1483504156;mircea_popescu;that was fun 1596203;1483504217;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the ~1993 version is the original? 1596204;1483504228;asciilifeform;aha 1596205;1483504249;ben_vulpes;k ty 1596206;1483504259;asciilifeform;i actually like the crc encyclopaedia moar 1596207;1483504261;mircea_popescu;but anyway, this is actually a point - maintaining a stable irc connection is both informative and good preparation for the tasks ahead. 1596208;1483504289;mircea_popescu;precisely the "trivial" thus instructive sort of task 1596209;1483504304;trinque;filters out some power rangers right there 1596210;1483504330;mircea_popescu;also is the first stone of "well your computer doesn't actuallty work, does it" most normies may encounter. 1596211;1483504392;mircea_popescu;[- GLOBAL NOTICE - freenode itself not actually up to this standard. thank you.] 1596212;1483504466;ben_vulpes;heh 1596213;1483504512;mircea_popescu;but to please ben_vulpes : it may amuse you to learn that ask.fm put in a mitigation for my bot (ill designed, and fail to work) sometime on dec 30th. AND THEN apparently (accidentally ?) reverted it sometime jan 2nd. 1596214;1483504540;ben_vulpes;cute 1596215;1483504544;mircea_popescu;which i give 50-50 odds was just an accidental server update with old code. 1596216;1483504558;ben_vulpes;how do people accidentally old code 1596217;1483504571;ben_vulpes;i don't even programming and don't do that 1596218;1483504573;mircea_popescu;wasn;t there an automake for kubinetes or such ? 1596219;1483504602;mircea_popescu;anyway, i kind-of gave up documenting their downtime. 1596220;1483504613;mircea_popescu;daily occurence. 1596221;1483504641;ben_vulpes;bbl food 1596222;1483504794;mircea_popescu;fuck i put comment in wrong article. 1596223;1483505020;hanbot;it's a virutally harmless mistake 1596224;1483505026;mircea_popescu;lmao 1596225;1483506644;asciilifeform;!!key asciilifeform 1596226;1483506645;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc 1596227;1483508405;BingoBoingo;!up pumblechook 1596228;1483508411;BingoBoingo;pumblechook: Speak! 1596229;1483508503;BingoBoingo;!!up pumblechook 1596230;1483508503;deedbot;pumblechook voiced for 30 minutes. 1596231;1483508509;BingoBoingo;speak! 1596232;1483508535;BingoBoingo;In vintage Trilema http://trilema.com/ 1596233;1483508543;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/der-untergang/ 1596234;1483509947;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596028 <<< not in trb as far as i can tell, i can tell the thing to 'generate' etc. 1596235;1483509947;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 01:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595871 << in practice this is how it works, and has, for at least 3 years now. 1596236;1483509992;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596097 <<< fixxd 1596237;1483509992;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 02:18 mircea_popescu: davout your four main pieces are a b and c ? 1596238;1483510105;trinque;probably referring to that most miners are using their own strange to mine 1596239;1483510134;davout;goes without saying 1596240;1483510197;davout;anyway, i think the benefits of extracting/dropping the embedded miner would be quite small in contrast with the benefits of untangling the wallet 1596241;1483510263;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596127 <<< engine quitting during take off != guaranteed corpse 1596242;1483510263;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 02:55 asciilifeform: (possibly davout might have some input) i recently read an american-flavoured thing re pilotage accidents, and it dwelled on 'jp in petrol tank' , insidious condition where the engine ~will~ start but tends to quit ~during takeoff~, guaranteed corpse 1596243;1483510291;davout;small planes just land straight back if enough runway 1596244;1483510307;davout;larger ME planes will climb on an engine and come back to land 1596245;1483510330;davout;the case truly fucked is small plane, short runway, trees at the end 1596246;1483510479;trinque;what a place to leave trees 1596247;1483511041;davout;trees, houses, water you name it 1596248;1483512610;BingoBoingo;Well what is a puny aeroplane doing messing with a righteous tree? 1596249;1483512785;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-09#1268284 << for the life of me i cannot find the thread to which you're referring here 1596250;1483512785;a111;Logged on 2015-09-09 19:07 mircea_popescu: the idea was to make them user-enacted. 1596251;1483515374;davout;BingoBoingo: planes are racist obviously 1596252;1483515925;BingoBoingo;davout: Nah, just suicidal. So long as some root survives tree has a chance of continuing to tree. Plane has no such faculty for continuing to plane. 1596253;1483516025;BingoBoingo;Anyways only 16 days left for Hussein Bahamas to start WWIII and stop Trumpreich 1596254;1483517684;davout;asciilifeform: lamport parachute generation hanging == not enough entropy available from /dev/random ? 1596255;1483518306;ben_vulpes;http://imgur.com/a/KuPJv << some kind of voodoo magic in there knows i moved that format string around 1596256;1483519604;davout;ben_vulpes: just 'inserted some line before and after' 1596257;1483519754;ben_vulpes;davout: i think the highlighting is trying to tell me that it thinks that `format t "~{~A~}"' persisted from the previous commit to this one 1596258;1483519800;ben_vulpes;notice how the mapcar line is highlight moar red to convey moar meaning 1596259;1483519806;davout;yeah, aka oyu inserted some lines before and after, i doubt it'd be very smart about swapping two lines for example 1596260;1483519887;ben_vulpes;also the preserved section goes from one line to two, and the diff-o-tron isn't saying anything about the leading paren on that bottom line 1596261;1483519928;ben_vulpes;if the dark green indicates "preserved" then it's confusing the opener for (format with the opener for (let 1596262;1483520054;ben_vulpes;i have the distinct impression that i am blithering madly to davout 1596263;1483525282;davout;ah i didn't notice the two lines merged as one being seen as a move 1596264;1483526006;davout;i don't really see asciilifeform's issue with large 'formatting' patches, as long as it can be mechanically established that the changes a patch brings do not change any of the code semantics there should be no problem with arbitrarily large patches 1596265;1483528934;davout;story of my life https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5a/36/0e/5a360eb4adf414c12b1964f454a29f8c.jpg 1596266;1483535715;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1588758 << doable, but also easy to mess up. 1596267;1483535715;a111;Logged on 2016-12-23 02:45 asciilifeform: hm for some reason i thought we had autofallover on scriba 1596268;1483535927;Framedragger;(i.e., need to think carefully about the value of $time http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1588759 but may be useful) 1596269;1483535927;a111;Logged on 2016-12-23 02:45 asciilifeform: (if a111 doesn't answer in $time) 1596270;1483538763;mircea_popescu;davout i meant as far as actual mining is concerned (in practice). by the time of the gpu era, most people ditched satoshi code for mining. 1596271;1483538907;davout;yep, same goes for actual walleting as far as I'm concerned :D 1596272;1483538944;davout;so apparently, the electrum folks manage to fit a complete TXOs index in ~20gb 1596273;1483538949;mircea_popescu;that's rarer, most wallet users being tardstalkers the solution was "use website" 1596274;1483538970;davout;true 1596275;1483539026;davout;for the cost of a 20gb index the wallet code can be completely removed, and implemented as a couple light scripts on top of TRB 1596276;1483539081;mircea_popescu;i would expect less. 1596277;1483539127;davout;that's indexing ~every single~ tx out against addresses 1596278;1483539131;davout;no just the unspent ones 1596279;1483539150;davout;*not 1596280;1483539194;davout;if the responsibility of maintaning the address history is delegated to the wallet, i expect that this index can be massively shrunk 1596281;1483539213;davout;and if history is somehow lost by the wallet, it's a rescan away 1596282;1483539348;mircea_popescu;aha. 1596283;1483539496;davout;i think i like this solution 1596284;1483539512;davout;as a first step it can even be implemented without an UTXO index by address 1596285;1483539535;davout;have trb rescan the UTXO for each "gimme-UTXOs-pertaining-to-these-addresses" and see how that goes 1596286;1483539842;mircea_popescu;and in unrelated lulz, http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-or-the-crisis-and-its-resolution/#comment-120934 "oh, lalala we can't hear anything" ; two months later "oh wait, what the guy said would happen happened, our marketing's utterly shot now" "OH I KNOW!!! I WILL FIX EVERYTHING! by going on in the manner that got me raped in the first place, because i'm a speshul snoflake that can!11". 1596287;1483539863;mircea_popescu;and you JUST KNOW the conclusion of this will be "mp is bad and evil", in NO FUCKING CASE "i was an idiot and who knew, turns out it's unsustainable". 1596288;1483540499;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596254 << work out how many bytes it wants from /dev/random. how long it takes for your box to shit that many? that's your wait . 1596289;1483540499;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 08:14 davout: asciilifeform: lamport parachute generation hanging == not enough entropy available from /dev/random ? 1596290;1483540627;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596264 << if it isn't apparent to naked eye in ~vtronic~ (e.g., phf's) viewer, it's a total loss of vtronicity. 1596291;1483540627;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 10:33 davout: i don't really see asciilifeform's issue with large 'formatting' patches, as long as it can be mechanically established that the changes a patch brings do not change any of the code semantics there should be no problem with arbitrarily large patches 1596292;1483540723;asciilifeform;'oh it's the same text except that i ran this-here perl turd on it and trust me that it works as i said on your perltron' is not vtronic. 1596293;1483541517;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596268 << imho best way would be if it answered normally if a111 is offline 1596294;1483541517;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 13:18 Framedragger: (i.e., need to think carefully about the value of $time http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1588759 but may be useful) 1596295;1483542786;mircea_popescu;oh god damned it 1596296;1483542788;mircea_popescu;!!key asciilifeform 1596297;1483542789;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc 1596298;1483542813;asciilifeform;^ was correct last night, trinque ate it in time 1596299;1483542845;asciilifeform;and shouldn't change again (until we retire gpg) 1596300;1483542887;mircea_popescu;aite. 1596301;1483544325;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2016-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2016 Statement 1596302;1483546799;asciilifeform;'Metropolitan Nagoya has literally thousands of people who can write assembly code that you’d literally trust your life to (you have before and will again, unless your sole method of transportation is bicycles), and probably only a few dozen who you’d want working on a web application. Tokyo has more, but still far too few.' << nuts. 1596303;1483550470;mircea_popescu;might haver changed in the meanwhile. 1596304;1483550614;asciilifeform;in other lulz, herr kako loves us enough to try to make own FUCKGOATS and try to undercut 1596305;1483550623;asciilifeform;(or at least thinks.) 1596306;1483550633;mircea_popescu;well, schematics published and all, neh ? 1596307;1483550635;asciilifeform;aha 1596308;1483550640;mircea_popescu;so all the better. 1596309;1483550641;asciilifeform;except he dun like the auditability thing 1596310;1483550647;mircea_popescu;heh 1596311;1483550647;asciilifeform;so is doomed to lolcow 1596312;1483550716;mircea_popescu;in fact or in fiction ? 1596313;1483550764;asciilifeform;prolly the latter, d00d is almost lethally lazy 1596314;1483550789;mircea_popescu;well there's no doom in fiction. 1596315;1483551082;BingoBoingo;There's plenty of doom in fiction 1596316;1483551130;mircea_popescu;gimme an example 1596317;1483551284;BingoBoingo;Well that Poe fellow wrote broody fiction became or more miserable sad sack and drank self into gutter death. 1596318;1483551300;mircea_popescu;irl. 1596319;1483551349;mircea_popescu;kinda the problem with fiction, either it's "doom" and then a simple word, or else an explanation, which necessarily cuts short. 1596320;1483551369;BingoBoingo;Hussein bahamas fictions himself a "way the world works" and dooms plenty well 1596321;1483551401;mircea_popescu;one wonders how bahamas reads his own fanfic, really. 1596322;1483551411;BingoBoingo;But yeah, didn't consider the construct before replying 1596323;1483552174;mod6;<+asciilifeform> except he dun like the auditability thing << wat 1596324;1483552358;asciilifeform;ask'im yerself 1596325;1483552362;asciilifeform;(and/or see the heathen log) 1596326;1483552409;*;trinque read, was a snore 1596327;1483552623;shinohai;I stopped reading some time ago, same recycled butthurt 1596328;1483553039;trinque;asciilifeform: they're telling you to do retarded things with your product to satisfy their own emotional needs 1596329;1483553056;trinque;"look I was heard", "I too am smart" 1596330;1483553765;mircea_popescu;ahh, those sweet sweet emotional needs. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-08#864855 1596331;1483553765;a111;Logged on 2014-10-08 19:19 mircea_popescu: einstein never got the damned formula out because luce irigaray didn't see why he'd privilege the speed of light over other speeds that are so much more important to us. and so on. 1596332;1483554200;davout;"In the course of the morning Lucy takes in nearly four Bitcents." <<< caught me off-guard 1596333;1483554521;BingoBoingo;Seriously how does she make that much? I just assumed the decimal place moved. 1596334;1483554608;BingoBoingo;And they work off of some poor folk voucher system instead of actual trb 1596335;1483554630;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's a mystery 1596336;1483554646;mircea_popescu;but ftr, 4 bitcents ~= 600 rand or so 1596337;1483554738;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/ << Trilema - Dupa dealuri 1596338;1483556743;ben_vulpes;mnemnion: fix your connection 1596339;1483558056;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1596340;1483558064;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 8322.88, vol: 3330971.68450000 | Volume-weighted last average: 8322.88 1596341;1483558083;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency gbp 1596342;1483558089;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 899.877, vol: 18608.72076929 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 873.1239, vol: 10171.0279 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 974.88092, vol: 3331938.45020000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 901.583, vol: 47.3423607 | Volume-weighted last average: 974.156629489 1596343;1483558098;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1596344;1483558102;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1114.92, vol: 18608.80892925 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1076.998, vol: 10171.0279 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1120.0, vol: 43465.49580282 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1201.040358, vol: 3332265.38790000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1116.481, vol: 4211.5242575 | Volume-weighted last average: 1199.0622506 1596345;1483558129;mircea_popescu;run mode engaged huh 1596346;1483558154;BingoBoingo;Seems so 1596347;1483558169;BingoBoingo;I guess Buterin broke 1596348;1483558186;mircea_popescu;unlike last time, bitcoin totally worth >1k nao. 1596349;1483558270;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo neah, the imaginary ethereum exchange rate went EVEN HIGHER THAN BTC!!111 1596350;1483558273;mircea_popescu;lulz abound. 1596351;1483558508;asciilifeform;speaking of tardware: https://archive.is/9l8z8 1596352;1483558548;mircea_popescu;heh 1596353;1483558565;asciilifeform;'unlike our entirely open and untrojaned...' 1596354;1483558571;mircea_popescu;aha 1596355;1483558820;trinque;just another day on fleanode 1596356;1483559260;asciilifeform;flea as in fleadom!111 1596357;1483560287;davout;http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/citations/2017/01/04/25002-20170104ARTFIG00059-peillon-compare-le-sort-des-musulmans-francais-a-celui-des-juifs-sous-vichy.php 1596358;1483560356;davout;(in present news and future noose) 1596359;1483560499;asciilifeform;'L'ancien ministre de l'Éducation, pourtant agrégé d'histoire, commet une erreur de dates, puisqu'il y a quarante ans, nous étions en 1977 et que sous le mandat de Valéry Giscard d'Estaing aucun juif ne portait l'étoile jaune.' 1596360;1483560500;asciilifeform;win 1596361;1483560849;mircea_popescu;lol problems. 1596362;1483561519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw it occurs to me that your proposed padding scheme, while not useful as a rsa padding scheme, nevertheless may be rescued into a very serviceable hash function, which has the notable property that a) acordion and b) user settable output size. something like this : let R be a ring buffer of as many bits as the user specified the output should be, let M be the message. let there be a one bit state machine S = 0 1596363;1483561519;mircea_popescu;. for each bit of M that is read : if 0 state machine gets a null bit added at the end ; if 1 state machine gets the M%S-th, 2M%S-th, ... nM%S-th bits flipped, for n=bitcount of S ; if 0 and the M-th % R-th bit = 1 then it is flipped, else it goes back to processing M-1th ; if 1 and the M-th % R-th bit = M-th % S-th bit then it is flipped, else it goes back to processing M-1th. that sort of thing. 1596364;1483561519;mircea_popescu;it has the advantage that it needs an unspecified pile of memory (on average, half the message + half the message) for the state machine, and an unspecified number of operations (on average, 2x as many as message length). 1596365;1483561548;asciilifeform;i suggested this, iirc, a day or two ago to ben_vulpes 1596366;1483561555;asciilifeform;has down-side of potential ddosability 1596367;1483561579;asciilifeform;( was here, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595999 ) 1596368;1483561579;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 23:16 asciilifeform: to go back to hashes, and if you for some reason eschew 'when hiring fortune-teller, hire the cheapest', 1596369;1483561580;mircea_popescu;ah i musta missed that. but yeah, can craft item that takes a long time to hash 1596370;1483561601;mircea_popescu;still, it is ~only way to get hash that doesn't do the things we don't like. 1596371;1483561642;asciilifeform;it has another problem, that i never invented yet a pill against, which is that later bits in the turdogram 'count for' considerably less than earlier ones 1596372;1483561663;asciilifeform;ideally what you'd want is for ~any~ bitflip to scramble whole thing 1596373;1483561663;mircea_popescu;nah, that's what my thing above : because of the state machine, you can't actually tell bit impact. 1596374;1483561679;asciilifeform;you can tell that ~last~, for instance, bit, affects at most 1 bit of output. 1596375;1483561682;mircea_popescu;every bit can in principle fuck up your R 1596376;1483561686;mircea_popescu;this is not true. 1596377;1483561689;asciilifeform;oh? 1596378;1483561691;mircea_popescu;because state machine keeps growing. 1596379;1483561703;mircea_popescu;last bit can in principle affect the whole damned ring. 1596380;1483561715;asciilifeform;i'ma have to build a working model of this. 1596381;1483561729;asciilifeform;(unless mircea_popescu has one already) 1596382;1483561733;mircea_popescu;im not sure the above notation is all that clear, but if any questions i'll gladly answer 1596383;1483561758;mircea_popescu;eh i was tempted but im kinda too rusty. 1596384;1483561871;mircea_popescu;i wish i had a way to program things in a visual manner, so i could obtain a GIF! animated! of what the algorithm is supposed to do. 1596385;1483561897;mircea_popescu;anyone know of a code-to-gif compiler ? i have nfi how one's supposed to do cryptography without it. 1596386;1483561960;asciilifeform;i used to use 'mathematica' to do precisely this 1596387;1483561962;asciilifeform;it's satanic tho. 1596388;1483561988;mircea_popescu;yeah how fucking hard can this be, just take the ast and paint me some squares holy hell. 1596389;1483562024;mircea_popescu;"give program, input and desired slide speed" "here's how it went . tick tick tock" 1596390;1483562039;asciilifeform;quite exactly what m. does. 1596391;1483562060;mircea_popescu;yes but do i have to have mathematica now ? 1596392;1483562084;asciilifeform;(d00d was obsessed with state machines, so it has a thing where you define one and it shits out a box with arrow that you can move, stepwise or at x frames/sec, and shits out gifs, etc) 1596393;1483562099;mircea_popescu;they're certainly useful here. 1596394;1483562106;asciilifeform;well i warned, it is satanic. but there is no human analogue of this tool, sadly. 1596395;1483562110;adlai;not a full solution, but i do recall phf mentioning some animation software driven by sexps 1596396;1483562116;asciilifeform;it's ~10,000 man-years, in there. 1596397;1483562126;asciilifeform;adlai: there always remains the option of writing a human proggy. 1596398;1483562146;mircea_popescu;anyway, the general idea above being : you take all the sane parts of working hash functions, and ditch the insanities. so - no magic numbers, inside boxes, as boxes count, etc. use modulo-arithmetic and iterators, and one long cipher box. 1596399;1483562178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but fuck me, what am i going to do, php against imagemagick ? c++ and qt ? fuck. 1596400;1483562343;asciilifeform;there's http://www.sagemath.org but it is very 'open sores' travail arabe. 1596401;1483562361;mircea_popescu;i'm half tempted to just write it in php, and have it write out words instead of drawings. 1596402;1483562375;asciilifeform;fortran if you like 1596403;1483562377;asciilifeform;i'll read it. 1596404;1483562393;*;asciilifeform sometimes works with a d00d who only knows fortran 1596405;1483562397;mircea_popescu;sigh. i guess one has no choice, does one. 1596406;1483562458;adlai;please elaborate, what do you mean by "writing a human proggy"? what i meant by "not a full solution" is that there's supposedly a tool out there which does 'half' the job, and obviously some human must write a proggy that does the other 1596407;1483562496;asciilifeform;adlai: i meant 'proggy in normal language that is widely available', vs proprietary turdlang 1596408;1483562540;asciilifeform;the thing is that there are no known 'human' programming systems, afaik, that give you seamless graphical ast and editable pixel-array linkage 1596409;1483562550;asciilifeform;it is not my fault that open sores people are retarded 1596410;1483562561;asciilifeform;and cannot, for instance, make anything like a usable cad 1596411;1483562566;asciilifeform;or mathematizer 1596412;1483562579;asciilifeform;(state of the art in open sores world is still macsyma, circa 1975) 1596413;1483562663;adlai;one of the best retorts to rubes asking "why use lisp" is that macsyma still runs 1596414;1483562681;asciilifeform;and yes, in m. you can give a state machine transition rule set and get animated gif out the other end. or a .avi. etc 1596415;1483562711;asciilifeform;adlai: indeed it does, i put it to actual use at a salt mine 1596416;1483562774;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency gbp 1596417;1483562779;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 900.099, vol: 20746.51552853 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 878.1365844, vol: 10763.04551 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 979.762326, vol: 3454721.77850000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 923.966, vol: 45.08264646 | Volume-weighted last average: 978.973790031 1596418;1483562785;*;adlai should probably start putting it to use at the saltbox, for home-makework 1596419;1483562830;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency eur 1596420;1483562836;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 1062.055008, vol: 20750.93782536 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 1050.001, vol: 374.83284 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 1150.366455, vol: 3455280.01870000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 1059.839, vol: 19240.6780902 | Volume-weighted last average: 1149.33317682 1596421;1483562995;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1596422;1483563002;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1101.98, vol: 20827.03190928 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1076.626, vol: 10783.45355 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1108.0, vol: 46854.84645942 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1204.160846, vol: 3456018.44630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1113.0, vol: 4603.83187077 | Volume-weighted last average: 1201.77924892 1596423;1483564550;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/fiatbitcoin-interfaces-continue-reporting-upwards-volatility-march-to-magenta-continues/ << Qntra - fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Continue Reporting Upwards Volatility, March to Magenta Continues 1596424;1483566450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/mp_fabulous_hashonator.php 1596425;1483566487;mircea_popescu;this is just a mash-up together of elements to show how the concept works. better assemblage is probably possible. 1596426;1483567455;ben_vulpes;quite the mashup 1596427;1483568823;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FbmWT/?raw=true << sample run 1596428;1483568882;mircea_popescu;pretty sure my implementation has a fence error somewhere because evident parity issues, but anyway. prototype. 1596429;1483569974;ben_vulpes;https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.8gsm40qwc << "we have no fucking idea how to make money from livejournal in 2017, but that's not going to stop us from lighting our investor's capital on fire and warming ourselves in front of it while lamenting the capitalist system!" 1596430;1483569989;ben_vulpes;transformative humbug 1596431;1483570003;mircea_popescu;heh 1596432;1483570016;ben_vulpes;*investors' 1596433;1483570197;mircea_popescu;hey, taleb's among them. 1596434;1483570205;ben_vulpes;investor? 1596435;1483570285;mircea_popescu;well, he writes on it. 1596436;1483570997;pete_dushenski;the worst part of medium is that the images don't archive. this wouldn't be an issue for most republican blogs seeing as they're entirely text, but it's actually quite the bug for fiat writers, taleb included 1596437;1483571006;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: busted footnote in your last piece eh 1596438;1483571082;*;pete_dushenski didn't realise how much eur had weakened relative to usd until bb pointed it out. 1.05 yo! 1596439;1483571332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato! 1596440;1483571334;*;asciilifeform looks... 1596441;1483571725;pete_dushenski;in unrelated phuctor happenings http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/baltic-servers-xmas-gift-1.jpg http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/baltic-servers-xmas-gift-2.jpg 1596442;1483571762;pete_dushenski;straight from lithuania! (is Framedragger familiar with this brand?) 1596443;1483571776;pete_dushenski;cheers to mircea_popescu for the regifting 1596444;1483571793;mircea_popescu;holy shit they handwrote it ?! 1596445;1483571814;pete_dushenski;lol yup. pretty straight and legible too 1596446;1483571831;mircea_popescu;more powa to 'em. 1596447;1483571862;*;pete_dushenski wonders if baltic servers knows how many dreams phuctor is making come true 1596448;1483572217;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: speaking of which, phuctor is still in repair shop , engine lifted out, cleaning pistons, etc 1596449;1483572239;pete_dushenski;old ferrari style eh 1596450;1483572242;asciilifeform;aha. 1596451;1483572264;asciilifeform;maybe moar of a harley. 1596452;1483572266;pete_dushenski;sorta to be expected with performance machines of this calibre 1596453;1483572301;adlai;now that's a hearoglyph i haven't seen in a long time! 1596454;1483572310;pete_dushenski;ferraris older than ~20yo needed regular engine-out maintenance. every year, two at the most. 1596455;1483572341;adlai;pete_dushenski: shana tova akhi! 1596456;1483572365;pete_dushenski;cheers adlai :) 1596457;1483572447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does that make any sense / is it useful ? 1596458;1483572465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why is R 0....0 in step1 ? 1596459;1483572474;mircea_popescu;it starts as that 1596460;1483572490;asciilifeform;i mean in 'step 1', not in the start state 1596461;1483572503;asciilifeform;it refers to flipping bits, but none get flipped 1596462;1483572507;mircea_popescu;yes but since S is 1 bit long no transform takes place (1/2 is 0) 1596463;1483572512;asciilifeform;aah 1596464;1483572522;mircea_popescu;this is all pure arbitrary, can be done otherwise. 1596465;1483572559;asciilifeform;the one slightly confusing bit is where we 'add bit to state machine' 1596466;1483572574;asciilifeform;this doesn't have a traditional meaning, i am now trying to puzzle out what is meant 1596467;1483572643;mircea_popescu;it simply expands it by one 1596468;1483572648;mircea_popescu;if it's 1110 it becomes 11100 1596469;1483572682;adlai;(ash s 1) 1596470;1483572696;mircea_popescu;basically it's made so it increases memory and cpu usage. 1596471;1483572734;mircea_popescu;calling it "state machine" is kind-of improper as i suppose the result also holds state. a cleaner separation may be advisable, but w/e. 1596472;1483572770;asciilifeform;how does the position slide ? 1596473;1483572773;mircea_popescu;but yes adlai is exactly right, shift one. 1596474;1483572785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform position increases by one each step, at the end of it. 1596475;1483572846;asciilifeform;step 3 and 4 seem to have same position into M 1596476;1483572858;mircea_popescu;because in some conditions pos also decreases 1 1596477;1483572869;asciilifeform;hm. 1596478;1483572871;mircea_popescu;"Because the R bit is 0, we flip it and decrease our position by 1 (but not below 0)" 1596479;1483572879;asciilifeform;can haz pseudocode , indented ? 1596480;1483572902;asciilifeform;(i'll take the original fortran, too, if it worx) 1596481;1483572904;mircea_popescu;you can have the php that spits that out if you wish 1596482;1483572908;asciilifeform;aite 1596483;1483572929;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6TW82/?raw=true 1596484;1483572939;asciilifeform;ty 1596485;1483572958;asciilifeform;adlai looks bored, maybe he wants to translate this 1596486;1483572990;*;adlai has translated php precisely once in his life, and ain't nobody good time to incf! 1596487;1483573020;mircea_popescu;the complains. "oh, you gave pseudocode ? can you make it go step by step ? oh it has, can we see code ? oh is code, can it be different code ?" 1596488;1483573032;asciilifeform;no complaints actually 1596489;1483573033;mircea_popescu;holy shit at some point will have to sit down and read something! 1596490;1483573034;adlai;mircea_popescu: thank you for the sauce though, i was about to puzzle out the exact meaning of "M%S-th" behaviorally 1596491;1483573048;mircea_popescu;np np 1596492;1483573202;asciilifeform;where's the xor in there 1596493;1483573220;asciilifeform;iirc xor is either 'xor' or c-style '^' in php 1596494;1483573223;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/veh-patch-post-patch-file-hash-checking-and-overall-improvements << CH - veh patch: post-patch file hash checking and overall improvements 1596495;1483573243;ben_vulpes;that title is entirely incorrect 1596496;1483573282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have nfi how php xors or if it even understands anything. implemented as ifs. 1596497;1483573321;asciilifeform;from my reading, it looks like an nxor 1596498;1483573330;mircea_popescu;right. item is also full of bugs, ftr. 1596499;1483573341;asciilifeform;(if a == b : b <= 1; else b <= 0) 1596500;1483573368;*;asciilifeform enjoying this puzzler 1596501;1483573413;*;asciilifeform never had occasion to read or write a phptronic proggy longer than a wp config 1596502;1483573478;asciilifeform;also ben_vulpes's thing is interesting . 1596503;1483573498;asciilifeform;i wonder if he's ready to make own difftron 1596504;1483573578;ben_vulpes;study needleman-wunsch is in my todo list 1596505;1483573651;ben_vulpes;kinda (gasp) itching to get my fingers into some cpp tho 1596506;1483573773;trinque;lewd 1596507;1483574210;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: out of curiosity, what entails "difftron" ? 1596508;1483574245;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: are you ready for some ugly ? 1596509;1483574270;ben_vulpes;i was hit with the ugly stick at birth, you can't scare me 1596510;1483574270;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KAkk0/?raw=true 1596511;1483574275;asciilifeform;there. 1596512;1483574291;asciilifeform;^ asciilifeform's past life 1596513;1483574309;mircea_popescu;lewd lol 1596514;1483574339;asciilifeform;(and yeah it's backwards) 1596515;1483574405;*;asciilifeform tore this out of a much larger proggy, and its fitness for any practical use is quite questionable, but ought to get the point across 1596516;1483574433;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: ty fxd 1596517;1483574490;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you probably don't need a similarity matrix other than the unit matrix for text diffs, now that i think about it. 1596518;1483574494;asciilifeform;so you will have simpler proggy. 1596519;1483574530;asciilifeform;(you could try an' do something clever with matrix with deprioritized whitespace, and the like) 1596520;1483574545;mircea_popescu;won't that just create a swamp of edge cases ? 1596521;1483574550;asciilifeform;nah 1596522;1483574556;asciilifeform;just matrix with different nums in it. 1596523;1483574574;mircea_popescu;i mean in the "wtf did the differ do" human evaluation 1596524;1483574598;asciilifeform;but really you just want to rip out sim-score that's in there and put in one that's a straight =) 1596525;1483574663;mircea_popescu;i'm not fucking learning an aminoacid matrix to be able to use diff i tell you that, 1596526;1483574673;asciilifeform;i just described how to toss it out 1596527;1483574703;asciilifeform;(defun sim-score (a b) (= a b)) ought to work. 1596528;1483574721;asciilifeform;then lose everything from start of the paste to ;;init. 1596529;1483574779;asciilifeform;well, through (load-sim....) 1596530;1483574788;asciilifeform;anyway algo should be clear to ben_vulpes . 1596531;1483574805;mircea_popescu;just ftr. 1596532;1483574876;ben_vulpes;not immediately, but i will load it up 1596533;1483574890;ben_vulpes;is there any sort of spec for "what difftron entails"? 1596534;1483574918;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not a formal one, afaik 1596535;1483574932;asciilifeform;ideally it'd be 'like classic unix diff but less retarded re, e.g., moves' 1596536;1483574949;*;adlai wishes he could do this homework instead of that other stuff (integration by parts^H^H^Hhands) 1596537;1483574967;ben_vulpes;integration by s.limbs 1596538;1483574974;asciilifeform;adlai: imho integration by parts was more interesting than nw 1596539;1483574981;*;asciilifeform did both homeworks 1596540;1483574991;adlai;'nw'? 1596541;1483574998;ben_vulpes;needleman-wunsch 1596542;1483575008;asciilifeform;http://www.avatar.se/molbioinfo2001/dynprog/dynamic.html 1596543;1483575020;adlai;ah. that typo-collided collided with my other homework, which i am doing. 1596544;1483575031;asciilifeform;^ nw is very often homework in algorithms class 1596545;1483575037;asciilifeform;because it is example of 'dynamic algo' 1596546;1483575047;ben_vulpes;"dynamic algorithm" is term of art? 1596547;1483575050;asciilifeform;aha 1596548;1483575061;ben_vulpes;~= "dynamic programming"? 1596549;1483575063;asciilifeform;aha 1596550;1483575071;adlai;asciilifeform: incidentally, you may find that /m/-w is a flail in the general direction of "less snoreworthy ATC" 1596551;1483575072;asciilifeform;aka memoization 1596552;1483575073;ben_vulpes;kewl 1596553;1483575081;asciilifeform;adlai: waiwat 1596554;1483575096;asciilifeform;there's a sequence-alignment altcoin..? 1596555;1483575097;ben_vulpes;mimblewimble 1596556;1483575102;asciilifeform;ah lolsnoar 1596557;1483575115;asciilifeform;i read the original turd, it was ill-specified 1596558;1483575116;adlai;"a privacy and fungibility focused cryptocoin transaction structure proposal" 1596559;1483575124;adlai;turds are turds. 1596560;1483575145;adlai;thus, 'flail' instead of 'step'. 1596561;1483575146;asciilifeform;adlai: even being a connoisseur and collector of crackpotteries , it was not much to work with. 1596562;1483575212;adlai;the homework ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556804 ) boils down to "understand wtf weil was on about" 1596563;1483575212;a111;Logged on 2016-10-19 18:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556766 << state its math part sometime. 1596564;1483575267;ben_vulpes;in other crackpotteries up asciilifeform's dark alley: http://0100101110101101.org/biennale-py/ 1596565;1483575323;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/04/the-rich-mans-burden/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Rich Man’s Burden. 1596566;1483575333;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lol 1596567;1483575397;*;pete_dushenski thgouth of mega italian architecture conference / awards programme when saw ben_vulpes' 'biennale' 1596568;1483575408;pete_dushenski;thought* 1596569;1483575453;ben_vulpes;WHOA 1596570;1483575467;ben_vulpes;https://gcaptain.com/maersk-teams-up-with-e-commerce-giant-alibaba-to-offer-online-booking 1596571;1483575475;ben_vulpes;take that, flexport and co 1596572;1483575585;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes slowly moving towards literate code. here's a thought... why not put the comments straight into the patch ? 1596573;1483575611;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aye, 'twas a step in that direction 1596574;1483575655;ben_vulpes;i did not realize that the patch could contain comments that do not affect its output, is that so? 1596575;1483575671;mircea_popescu;you put them in the new file. they show up in the patch 1596576;1483575726;ben_vulpes;i could use proper docstrings at that even 1596577;1483575731;mircea_popescu;yes. 1596578;1483575788;ben_vulpes;i'll think on this 1596579;1483575815;ben_vulpes;there is some value in it but as mentioned before i have a c++ itch what needs scratching 1596580;1483575817;ben_vulpes;among other things 1596581;1483575837;ben_vulpes;bbl 1596582;1483575856;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'll suggest a 'p-tronic' format for diffs. N\........ specifies N retained-of-a octets (e.g., 5\abcde ) 1596583;1483575869;asciilifeform;this is to abolish the line-based idiocy of unix diff. 1596584;1483575877;mircea_popescu;lines are good! 1596585;1483575901;asciilifeform;lines are crud because they make newline symbol 'magical' 1596586;1483575912;asciilifeform;and result , potentially, in megatonne of needless repetition. 1596587;1483575924;asciilifeform;(imagine diffing a file containing zero newlines) 1596588;1483575930;mircea_popescu;i do not wish to need to know how many octets is the blank lead of a new line 1596589;1483575935;mircea_popescu;especially because no tabs 1596590;1483575947;asciilifeform;~you~ don't need to count'em by hand. 1596591;1483575959;asciilifeform;let's make example... 1596592;1483575962;mircea_popescu;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596525 1596593;1483575962;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:04 mircea_popescu: i'm not fucking learning an aminoacid matrix to be able to use diff i tell you that, 1596594;1483575975;asciilifeform;take sentence 'a': 'i'm not fucking learning an aminoacid matrix to be able to use diff i tell you that' 1596595;1483575989;asciilifeform;take sentence 'b': 'i'm quite certainly not fucking learning an aminoacid matrix to be able to use diff i tell you that' 1596596;1483576142;asciilifeform;so, one possible diff might be : \4\i'm \+15\quite certainly \80\not fucking learning an aminoacid matrix to be able to use diff i tell you that 1596597;1483576169;mircea_popescu;the --- / +++ version is infinitely more readable. 1596598;1483576197;asciilifeform;go and diff, e.g., some perl code, and see if you still agree. 1596599;1483576210;asciilifeform;when 1 'line noise' character, somewhere in a 140-char line, changes. 1596600;1483576215;asciilifeform;and it's a 1 to an I etc. 1596601;1483576215;mircea_popescu;perhaps the correct solution is for code to conform to the paradigm. 1596602;1483576231;asciilifeform;that's not a general-purpose diff nao, is it. 1596603;1483576239;mircea_popescu;it is. 1596604;1483576245;asciilifeform;diff gotta eat any 7bit-clean rubbish. 1596605;1483576250;asciilifeform;incl. heathenries. 1596606;1483576253;mircea_popescu;general-purpose does not mean general-insanity. 1596607;1483576272;mircea_popescu;purpose is a subset of possibility. 1596608;1483576284;asciilifeform;i dare say that a colourized, phf-style viewer can make the suggested char-differ quite readable in comparison with ye olde unixdiff. 1596609;1483576302;*;mircea_popescu is very reluctant re this daresay. 1596610;1483576310;asciilifeform;worth a try, costs 0. 1596611;1483576319;asciilifeform;esp. if ben_vulpes makes a proper aligner. 1596612;1483576326;asciilifeform;(he'd have to for either kind) 1596613;1483576336;mircea_popescu;i'll give it a look ; but sounds to me a lot like "rather than learn vim i'll try and make emacs adnotate" 1596614;1483576348;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: really idea is stolen from teco 1596615;1483576356;*;asciilifeform has not so many entirely new idea. 1596616;1483576367;mircea_popescu;well, they're rare. 1596617;1483576468;asciilifeform;incidentally iirc phf's vtron internally converts diffs to something quite like this form 1596618;1483576479;asciilifeform;(for the colour viewer thing) 1596619;1483576710;asciilifeform;the one thing i consider a major win here, compactness aside, is the freeness-from-inbandmagic. 1596620;1483576723;mircea_popescu;you still use / 1596621;1483576730;asciilifeform;no, see, 1596622;1483576734;asciilifeform;the ....... in \N\....... can be ANY octets. 1596623;1483576747;asciilifeform;incl. \ , 991\\\\\235\9824 , etc. 1596624;1483576764;asciilifeform;because the machine knows how may to skip. 1596625;1483576766;asciilifeform;*many 1596626;1483576768;mircea_popescu;and what is the meaning of \\4 ? 1596627;1483576772;asciilifeform;the count. 1596628;1483576780;asciilifeform;or you meant of \4\ 1596629;1483576791;asciilifeform;which can be a, e.g., \4\ 1596630;1483576793;asciilifeform;(retain) 1596631;1483576796;mircea_popescu;no, i mean of \\4 1596632;1483576811;asciilifeform;or a \+4\ (add four) or \-4\ (lose next four) 1596633;1483576814;asciilifeform;\\4 does zip. 1596634;1483576828;mircea_popescu;if i go from "\\4hurrdurr" to "\\4urr" you'll say what, \\4\4 ? 1596635;1483576839;asciilifeform;or rather, it is a literal string, and ought to be subsumed in one of the above forms. 1596636;1483576850;asciilifeform;any characters found not in one of the 3 above states, make the entire diff nonwellformed. 1596637;1483576856;asciilifeform;(throw it out) 1596638;1483576858;mircea_popescu;oh i see. 1596639;1483576867;mircea_popescu;this is like utf for diffs. 1596640;1483576875;asciilifeform;but any octet is legal inside a proper counterstate. 1596641;1483576880;mircea_popescu;"we don't use in band but we have not well formed diffs which you can't tell" 1596642;1483576888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: like pkzip, or just about any format since 1962 1596643;1483576897;asciilifeform;and sure as fuck you can tell 1596644;1483576902;mircea_popescu;pkzip is not an acceptable plaintext format. 1596645;1483576921;asciilifeform;didn't i post , right here, a well-formed-to-naked-eye-but-not-to-vtron vdiff ? 1596646;1483576929;asciilifeform;during FUCKGOATS release. 1596647;1483576933;mircea_popescu;i dunno ? 1596648;1483576972;mircea_popescu;ah the thing where you tried to put A BINARY BLOB through a PLAINTEXT!!!111 format and ended up having to base64 it ? 1596649;1483576995;mircea_popescu;i don't want fucking "codepoints" in my life. take your /x855 and shove it, bejaysus. 1596650;1483577000;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581252 1596651;1483577000;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 18:53 asciilifeform: so i had two base64's png files in there, 1596652;1483577008;asciilifeform;it wasn't a blob. 1596653;1483577016;asciilifeform;it was valid ascii 1596654;1483577019;mircea_popescu;iirc you didn't like the svg. 1596655;1483577026;asciilifeform;separate issue 1596656;1483577031;mircea_popescu;"valid ascii" != not-blob. base64 is also valid ascii. blob. 1596657;1483577037;asciilifeform;incidentally you will blow up on the +++ mine if you try and diff a vdiff. 1596658;1483577050;asciilifeform;same mine. 1596659;1483577077;mircea_popescu;look, the in-band problem i can sympatize with, but the "let's thus turn text into blobs" i do not. 1596660;1483577088;asciilifeform;(it so happens that the original happened on a uuencoded shit, tru) 1596661;1483577090;mircea_popescu;not when it comes to clearsign, not when it comes to vpatches, never. text dude. 1596662;1483577111;asciilifeform;why have any more mutilation of the text than necessary ? 1596663;1483577116;asciilifeform;and why magic newlines. 1596664;1483577128;mircea_popescu;because "here's your binary blob" is not an acceptable answer. 1596665;1483577129;asciilifeform;why not 1 magical char instead of entire fucking magic words like +++. 1596666;1483577134;asciilifeform;it ain't a blob 1596667;1483577156;mircea_popescu;it is, yes. the moment it needs a fucking 85 state machine to interpret its meaning it is. 1596668;1483577164;asciilifeform;3 state. 1596669;1483577172;mircea_popescu;3 === 85. 1596670;1483577183;asciilifeform;has mircea_popescu ever tried to implement traditional unix diff ? 1596671;1483577185;asciilifeform;and see how many states. 1596672;1483577187;mircea_popescu;no. 1596673;1483577199;asciilifeform;it only looks easy because you are familiar with it. 1596674;1483577207;asciilifeform;'muscle memory, thinking man's worst enemy', who said. 1596675;1483577211;asciilifeform;(iirc it was mircea_popescu !) 1596676;1483577250;mircea_popescu;idna is coming next isn't it. 1596677;1483577263;asciilifeform;iwhat..? 1596678;1483577279;mircea_popescu;oh, read up on it, you'd like it. 1596679;1483577293;asciilifeform;here's gedankenexperiment. take file of aaaaaaaaaaa.....aaaa (1MB worth.) add, 512kB in, a 'b'. how long is your unix diff ? 1596680;1483577294;mircea_popescu;!~google punycode 1596681;1483577295;asciilifeform;can you read it ? 1596682;1483577295;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: What is punycode ? - Learn how to use punycode to register IDNs at ...: ; Punycoder - the IDN / Punycode converter: ; RFC 3492 - Punycode : A Bootstring encoding of Unicode for ...: 1596683;1483577311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i negrate the author. 1596684;1483577314;asciilifeform;my diff is about a dozen chars. 1596685;1483577319;mircea_popescu;this is WRONG. 1596686;1483577326;mircea_popescu;your diff must be so painful you ALSO negrate the author. 1596687;1483577356;asciilifeform;'patches must be superbly-commented works of knuthiana' is promisetronic. 1596688;1483577374;asciilifeform;(i don't even disagree, that they ought to be.) 1596689;1483577376;mircea_popescu;i do not wish to live in a world where people can make patches consisting of 512kb lines of a 1596690;1483577405;asciilifeform;it was a somewhat pathological example. but i will point out that in this system , mircea_popescu's tab-corrector patch would be 100% human-readable. 1596691;1483577409;asciilifeform;and pedigree-preserving. 1596692;1483577421;mircea_popescu;i was aware of that ~then~. 1596693;1483577429;mircea_popescu;i didn't bring up the fucking apocalypse to fix some tabs. 1596694;1483577449;asciilifeform;incidentally i'm not entirely convinced that v gotta be married to a particular difftron to work. 1596695;1483577463;asciilifeform;(any well-formed patch representation is, in principle, convertible to any other) 1596696;1483577477;mircea_popescu;and how am i going to apply patches ? there's no such thing as signature-equivalence. 1596697;1483577502;asciilifeform;foo.unix.vpatch 1596698;1483577512;asciilifeform;foo.mirce_popescus_neato_difftron.vpatch 1596699;1483577517;asciilifeform;etc 1596700;1483577527;*;asciilifeform cleans 'a' key 1596701;1483577575;asciilifeform;i do see the merit of nailing it down. but imho unix diff is retarded. 1596702;1483577610;asciilifeform;because it mandates that no one ever use a programming lang where +++ occurs, etc. 1596703;1483577682;asciilifeform;the reason i keep coming back to this thought is that unix diff results in some pretty barfy lisp vpatches. 1596704;1483577687;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes might see what i mean 1596705;1483577739;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596657 << yeah i found this when casually comparing the output of 'pdiff' (phf's version) with that of vdiff 1596706;1483577739;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:43 asciilifeform: incidentally you will blow up on the +++ mine if you try and diff a vdiff. 1596707;1483577769;asciilifeform;magical-newlines (unix diff) and parens-sexpr (lisps) is a pretty heavy impedance mismatch. 1596708;1483577786;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i had a complaint about this a while back, reindenting for multiple-value-bind and destructuring-bind and friends 1596709;1483577787;asciilifeform;newline has ~0 syntactic meaning in lisps. 1596710;1483577791;asciilifeform;(it is a form of whitespace) 1596711;1483578074;mircea_popescu;i could see a convention where genesis specifies diff style. 1596712;1483578086;mircea_popescu;but for eg trb work, +++ style is quite at home. it is c after all 1596713;1483578099;asciilifeform;trb will probably remain in trad style 4evar 1596714;1483578126;asciilifeform;unless folx ~really~ pine for the tabs fix thing... 1596715;1483578132;mircea_popescu;if we make the trb-i correct it should work like vtrons, multiple language implementations 1596716;1483578159;asciilifeform;aha 1596717;1483578182;adlai;is that a version 'number'? 1596718;1483578211;mircea_popescu;!#s "trb-i" 1596719;1483578211;a111;4 results for "\"trb-i\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22trb-i%22 1596720;1483578247;mircea_popescu;hm i could have sworn it was used before, "ideal bitcoin" ie the tmsr offering in the summer of forks. bitcoin v2.0, whatever 1596721;1483578338;adlai;calling it Bitcoin 2.0 is excellent blanding, prb are permastuck in 0.landia 1596722;1483578381;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's in the logs. 1596723;1483578456;adlai;but it's correct as a version number, because consensus systems fail correctly together, and "history is written by the victors" 1596724;1483578503;asciilifeform;waiwat 1596725;1483578581;adlai;students can build multiple impls as hw, but anybody using a forkable client is taking a risk 1596726;1483578672;adlai;sure, you can write the whole thing in forth (or lambda calc, or categories, or...), but as the agent said to the provocateur - 'good luck' 1596727;1483578698;asciilifeform;adlai: nobody said 'we'll have multiple monkeys writing' 1596728;1483578704;asciilifeform;monkeys -- to the monkey house. 1596729;1483578758;asciilifeform;http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/73318.html << small lul re folx with crackpot difftrons 1596730;1483578792;asciilifeform;folx will do ANYTHING!111 to avoid cracking a book. 1596731;1483578814;adlai;asciilifeform: in other wtf, isn't ., isomorphic to ,@!? 1596732;1483578819;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://experiments.mostafa.io/public/needleman-wunsch << graphical nw demo 1596733;1483578853;asciilifeform;adlai: ,@ eats a list neh 1596734;1483578858;ben_vulpes;whoa neato 1596735;1483578873;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: did you see my diff-wut screenshot from last night? 1596736;1483578880;asciilifeform;dunthinkso 1596737;1483578885;asciilifeform;link 1596738;1483578960;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596255 1596739;1483578960;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 08:25 ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/a/KuPJv << some kind of voodoo magic in there knows i moved that format string around 1596740;1483578988;asciilifeform;where didja get the colours ben_vulpes 1596741;1483578992;adlai;asciilifeform: i refuse to get into "clhs doesn't actually say you're not allowed to give it an atom" territory 1596742;1483578993;asciilifeform;this dun look like phf's 1596743;1483579011;asciilifeform;adlai: why you gotta abuse 1596744;1483579023;asciilifeform;adlai: fork was not made to pick yer nose with 1596745;1483579050;ben_vulpes;we can therefore we must! 1596746;1483579052;*;ben_vulpes to find a fork 1596747;1483579054;asciilifeform;when mircea_popescu wakes up, he might have a less gentle and more memorable way to phrase this truism. 1596748;1483579063;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: no, it's not phf's, it's magit and i think ediff 1596749;1483579082;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have nfi how these work, but maybe bramcohen's algo (linked earlier) 1596750;1483579098;asciilifeform;it's the sort of crackpottery that could have made its way into git toolz 1596751;1483579101;*;adlai is willing to enter "why are you giving functions atomic bodies" territory, but we probably both have better stuff to do 1596752;1483579110;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not even asleep. just, by now, barely reading adlai, the stubborn anal childhood is not nearly as interesting as the subject imagines. 1596753;1483579132;asciilifeform;d00d must be back on the sauce 1596754;1483579136;asciilifeform;adlai, that is 1596755;1483579160;mircea_popescu;hey, an indiancandy there's gotta be. 1596756;1483579164;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: your screenshit looks like it could very well have come from bramcohenalgo 1596757;1483579178;asciilifeform;(forward-then-backward) 1596758;1483579204;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596753 << "and i think to myself... what a wonderful word" 1596759;1483579204;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 01:18 asciilifeform: d00d must be back on the sauce 1596760;1483579231;*;adlai has been 'clean' of sauces other than mphash etc for longer than he usually keeps 1596761;1483579300;asciilifeform;adlai: dontcha have an arbitragebot that oughta be running in redline now 1596762;1483579304;asciilifeform;and needs oiling ? 1596763;1483579326;asciilifeform;with exchanges riding ye olde goxcoaster nowadays. 1596764;1483579336;ben_vulpes;http://www.a-k-r.org/mphash/ << adlai dis? 404? 1596765;1483579402;adlai;seeing as it's a tool, not a "manned missile" (spot the sauce!), scalpl's on vacation during the semester 1596766;1483579421;ben_vulpes;missing out on all that sweet vix 1596767;1483579463;adlai;meh, btcfiat is such a saturated market anyways. there's probably free energy to minimize these days, but i couldn't have known that a month ago 1596768;1483579515;adlai;much better to have coins on local iron than 'riding ye olde gox' 1596769;1483579522;asciilifeform;what exactly did adlai think a month ago, that rates would stay magically ~frozen for all eternity ? 1596770;1483579558;*;adlai was speaking metaphorically. scalpl has been asleep for several months already. 1596771;1483579636;ben_vulpes;weren't you gambling opm? 1596772;1483579785;adlai;yeah, on other people's "oe" 1596773;1483579831;ben_vulpes;i didn't realize malt liquor was that fungible 1596774;1483579886;asciilifeform;hey hey, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572755 1596775;1483579886;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 16:47 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com 1596776;1483580131;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Still, tomorrow any or all of these fiat emphasized fiat/Bitcoin interfaces could tomorrow offer" << are the tomorrows some stylistical thing i dun get ? 1596777;1483580169;BingoBoingo;editing lapse, correcting 1596778;1483580228;BingoBoingo;fxd 1596779;1483580377;BingoBoingo; i didn't realize malt liquor was that fungible << It is! 1596780;1483580555;ben_vulpes;i still have no idea what adlai meant by "oe" 1596781;1483580747;adlai;with apologies to John Cleese - "this, sir, is an ex-asset!" 1596782;1483580798;adlai;context for heathens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE 1596783;1483580814;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591568 << finally worked through this, solid tome, thank you phf 1596784;1483580814;a111;Logged on 2016-12-28 02:23 phf: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Condition-Handling-2001.html this is the canonical document on error handling in common lisp. it's long and dense, because powerful machinery 1596785;1483580925;asciilifeform;btw how come nobody screamed when i suggested needleman-wunsch, 'omfg what are you smoking, it's space AND time-quadratic!!!' 1596786;1483580979;adlai;globally optimal results come at a cost? 1596787;1483580990;adlai;premature optimization corrupts absolutely? 1596788;1483581002;asciilifeform;keep the motherfucking file small 1596789;1483581005;asciilifeform;solved. 1596790;1483581148;BingoBoingo;I present the Elliot descended of Aristoocracy and Malay in England https://archive.is/l1EDi 1596791;1483581201;asciilifeform;(incidentally you can cheat, mircea_popescu-style, by dividing the diffables into segments using 2+ newlines as divmarkers, and nw-ing the resulting segments, then outputting the diffs.) 1596792;1483582152;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596739 << while this does give me a diff envy, i'm cooking something that asciilifeform might find useful http://glyf.org/tmp/press-tree.png 1596793;1483582152;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 01:16 a111: Logged on 2017-01-04 08:25 ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/a/KuPJv << some kind of voodoo magic in there knows i moved that format string around 1596794;1483582547;adlai;not qntraworthy, but some altlike-thingy-developer got his face leaded in last week for owning a crossbow, or something along those lines: http://archive.is/lIVyW 1596795;1483585052;asciilifeform;phf: oooh yes 1596796;1483585058;asciilifeform;exactly what i asked for 1596797;1483585069;asciilifeform;veeery spiffy 1596798;1483585108;mircea_popescu;check the shit out! 1596799;1483585116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform still no liky lines ? hm? HM ? 1596800;1483585143;asciilifeform;i did say 'trb worx great with trad diff' neh 1596801;1483585173;mircea_popescu;yeah, you did. 1596802;1483585178;asciilifeform;prolly most cpp proggies will. 1596803;1483585191;asciilifeform;ada also. 1596804;1483585196;mircea_popescu;what's the lispworld diff utility do ? 1596805;1483585200;mircea_popescu;teco ? 1596806;1483585215;asciilifeform;tecoistic, aha, as pictured in example earlier. 1596807;1483585422;asciilifeform;via adlai's link, https://archive.is/r6TbL 1596808;1483585448;asciilifeform;'“‘Hi Nick, it’s Sam. The police are raiding my house,’” he said.' 1596809;1483585488;asciilifeform;lulzy, brits haven't yet picked up the american tradition of cutting off victim's phones before executing a hit 1596810;1483585590;asciilifeform;'“‘Sam, put your (expletive) hands up . . . They’re going to shoot you, Sam. Put your hands up.’” Cake said he told him. “‘OK,’” Maloney said calmly. ... “Right after that ‘OK’ there are four shots in succession — like pop, pop, pop, pop. No breaks, no more than four, no less than four also,” Cake recalled.' 1596811;1483585646;adlai;asciilifeform: out of curiosity, why not paredit-istic? 1596812;1483585653;adlai;ie, M-( et al 1596813;1483585681;asciilifeform;adlai: enlighten me, using earlier a/b sentences, what that'd look like 1596814;1483585686;asciilifeform;~exactly~ 1596815;1483585729;asciilifeform;(a differ that ~doesn't work at all~ on arbitrary textolade is a nonstarter) 1596816;1483585863;asciilifeform;'“Somebody may want to ask the question as to why a pre-dawn, forced entry was necessary in this case,” Millar said , adding the public needs a full account of what happened Friday. (We) specifically want to know why a pre-dawn raid was required in a house with two young children.”' 1596817;1483585876;asciilifeform;lelz 1596818;1483585888;asciilifeform;'because gestapo! stfu terrorist scum' 1596819;1483585935;mircea_popescu;hey, until the sheep start shooting the cops, the "forced entry" will continue. 1596820;1483585938;adlai;old: (foo bar baz) new: (foo (bar) baz) diff: \5\(foo \(3\bar\5\ baz) 1596821;1483585963;BingoBoingo;TLDR - Raising the "standard deduction" apparently hurts poor people in Bizarro WAPO logic https://archive.is/XvAyd 1596822;1483585993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa 'raid' is specifically a 'kick the dig until it bites, then shoot it' exterminator tactic against would-be cop shooters 1596823;1483585998;asciilifeform;*dog 1596824;1483586010;mircea_popescu;apparently not so. 1596825;1483586035;mircea_popescu;anyway, i didn't say "until sheep WOULD shoot cops". 1596826;1483586041;asciilifeform;they knock down door of d00d known to 'will shoot intruders' and of course machine gun barrage after he stumbles out of bed with old 12ga etc 1596827;1483586043;adlai;dude was dangerous, he'd already been visited by cops in the past! (for, uh... growing too much grass, and i don't mean the happy kind) 1596828;1483586076;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on the basis of extant reports, not so. 1596829;1483586110;*;adlai can imagine the scene: dude is holding xbox^Hw with one hand, pnoJ3 in the other; hears lawyer, raises hand, unwittingly SBCs 1596830;1483586126;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had similar case right in this shithole town, victim was spared (though not his animals) only because he turned out to be... the mayor 1596831;1483586148;mircea_popescu;you think mayor is... shooting anyone ? 1596832;1483586149;mircea_popescu;cmon. 1596833;1483586176;asciilifeform;was, supposedly, 'mistaken address' 1596834;1483586188;mircea_popescu;so your argument just crumbled in a pile of its own dust ? 1596835;1483586224;asciilifeform;i actually have insufficient data, after rejecting the available report as disinfo. 1596836;1483586227;asciilifeform;so nm. 1596837;1483586268;asciilifeform;iirc 'malcolm x' was executed in precisely the way described tho. 1596838;1483586277;BingoBoingo;"However, the plan would render the mortgage break useless for millions of families by roughly doubling the standard deduction available to all taxpayers, from $12,600 to $24,000 for a married couple." << And In law compliant WAPO land this is somehow "bad"! Oh noes, poor people not incentivized to play landholding! 1596839;1483586376;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had a very spiffy article a while back 1596840;1483586385;asciilifeform;'antisocial struggle' 1596841;1483586397;mircea_popescu;ya but those weren't muricans 1596842;1483586412;asciilifeform;what if every 'dawn raid' cop had a well-founded fear of claymore mine. 1596843;1483586488;asciilifeform;(i predict: instead of door busting, they will simply do pre-dawn demolition charges from all sides, presto, 0 evidence) 1596844;1483586536;mircea_popescu;doubtful. there's a runaway exponential there, the sheeple state can only be maintained if sheeple. 1596845;1483586541;asciilifeform;at any rate this is a stretch, most of the executed folk are no kind of desperado, have 0 weapon bigger than a fork 1596846;1483586562;asciilifeform;(cops -- plant, on corpse, yes) 1596847;1483586562;mircea_popescu;the fact that leningrad was willing to split in two and one half hold at knifepoint the other WHILE THE OTHER OPPOSED NO RESISTENCE is the sine qua non condition of stalinism. 1596848;1483586584;mircea_popescu;without that - no stalinism. it's not as if stalin is given, and if leningrad DID oppose resistence then stalin'd have landed the ufos. stalin had no ufos. in fact, had barely rifle. 1596849;1483586597;mircea_popescu;so no. marginal increase in governance cost results in government dissolution. 1596850;1483586628;mircea_popescu;the moment the workers got ~even a little~ more unruly, prussian kingdom said its goodbyes to history. 1596851;1483586649;asciilifeform;su successfully bugsprayed oun-upa (ukr resistance) 1596852;1483586656;asciilifeform;and the latvian equiv. 1596853;1483586673;asciilifeform;just used different methods, vs ordinary policing 1596854;1483586677;mircea_popescu;minorities don't count in this. 1596855;1483586730;asciilifeform;why not? the protagonists held territory (in some cases, whole village) 1596856;1483586749;asciilifeform;these weren't urban dissolved-gypos 1596857;1483586750;mircea_popescu;entirely besides the point. 1596858;1483586767;mircea_popescu;but that is WHY they failed. in order for intransigent minority to ruin majority rule, it must be diffused. 1596859;1483586792;asciilifeform;didn't help the armenians, iirc 1596860;1483586821;mircea_popescu;you'll have to provide context. 1596861;1483586841;mircea_popescu;in any case - the fact that the us police state still exists has nothing to do with 80% of the citizenry being happy to take it up the ass at airport ; or 90%, or 95%. 1596862;1483586853;mircea_popescu;it has EVERYTHING to do with the absence of a 2-3% minority which returns fire. 1596863;1483586871;asciilifeform;eh the black d00dz returnfire 1596864;1483586874;asciilifeform;helps? 1596865;1483586874;mircea_popescu;once that appears, the usg as you know it goes away. 1596866;1483586876;mircea_popescu;no, they don't. 1596867;1483586888;asciilifeform;just pretense? 1596868;1483586908;mircea_popescu;i dunno what you ended up believing about black doods because that lisa kudrow imbecile told you, but they're exactly like gypsies in ru : cowardly, and inept. 1596869;1483586940;asciilifeform;until 3+ wolfpack 1596870;1483586955;asciilifeform;then not so coward 1596871;1483586960;mircea_popescu;lafond broadly has it, you can cut up and boil for soup a whole "gang" of black kids flashing miniguns (with crazy shit stuck on all sides of coars). with a shovel. 1596872;1483586968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if 3+, you crack one skull. 1596873;1483587023;asciilifeform;this often worx, documented. 1596874;1483587033;asciilifeform;on wolf also. 1596875;1483587052;mircea_popescu;wolf, monkey, hyena, all social animals. cowardly. 1596876;1483587067;asciilifeform;(when it doesn't work, there is usually nobody nearby with a pen, to document..) 1596877;1483587071;mircea_popescu;children, also, born cowardly. 1596878;1483587133;asciilifeform;there is a famous case of red army d00d who killed dozen+ germans with axe. 1596879;1483587138;asciilifeform;on same principle. 1596880;1483587166;mircea_popescu;famous russian gun commentator guy explains this cannonicaly, imo. "thief - wants to get loot. not to die with you there." 1596881;1483587173;asciilifeform;aha. 1596882;1483587179;mircea_popescu;this has little to do with thief and much to do with the social strategy. 1596883;1483587238;*;adlai bumps http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596820 to asciilifeform 's radar 1596884;1483587238;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 03:12 adlai: old: (foo bar baz) new: (foo (bar) baz) diff: \5\(foo \(3\bar\5\ baz) 1596885;1483587278;mircea_popescu;this is so fucking abstruse. 1596886;1483587285;asciilifeform;adlai: that looks painful 1596887;1483587289;mircea_popescu;i could read eight lines in the time it takes me to go 3 chars/second with this shit 1596888;1483587308;asciilifeform;adlai: your algo (not my encoding) suxx 1596889;1483587309;adlai;ah but your 'teco' is pistaccio icecream 1596890;1483587324;adlai;the algo, yeah. it's o(more) 1596891;1483587350;asciilifeform;encoder ought to be aware that it shat a weight of encoderola ~equal to the fucking payload 1596892;1483587354;asciilifeform;and refrain 1596893;1483587366;asciilifeform;and emit: 1596894;1483587420;mircea_popescu;so now it's a 4 state machine 1596895;1483587422;asciilifeform;\xx-(foo bar baz)\xx+(foo (bar) baz 1596896;1483587426;asciilifeform;nope 1596897;1483587429;asciilifeform;same states 1596898;1483587436;asciilifeform;just a less idiotic encoder 1596899;1483587437;mircea_popescu;"ought to be aware" = state++ 1596900;1483587462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu realizes that gnudiff encoding is also nonunique, neh? 1596901;1483587472;mircea_popescu;entirely besides da fuckin point, innit. 1596902;1483587499;adlai;asciilifeform: the point of paredit vs teco is so that, specifically when diffing lisp source, reindentation can be elided, and unexpected indentation can be specified relative to standard 1596903;1483587506;asciilifeform;quite relevant though. it ~chooses~ a variant. 1596904;1483587515;mircea_popescu;besides - i thought lisp convention was "oh, our parens are just \n and indentation so nm, just take them out" 1596905;1483587523;asciilifeform;even if idiotically, because designer was dropped as a baby 1596906;1483587525;adlai;'standard' obviously doesn't cover many cases, which is why it exists as a standard which can be referenced against. 1596907;1483587529;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, it doesn't choose. it HAPPENS upon a variant. 1596908;1483587540;asciilifeform;like 'slut falls pregnant' eh 1596909;1483587545;mircea_popescu;yes. 1596910;1483587551;asciilifeform;which is dumb. 1596911;1483587559;mircea_popescu;no, it is not. for one thing - it's how you're here in the first place. 1596912;1483587570;adlai;and your father smelled of elderberries! 1596913;1483587610;asciilifeform;to quote mircea_popescu 'i have nfi how my ancestors ended up with me, and anyone who claims to know this about self is full o shit' 1596914;1483587612;mircea_popescu;also the reason noobs can't write literature is because they imagine description needs to be exhaustive. so their prose turns tedious and then unreadable. 1596915;1483587622;*;adlai goes back to manual mining of "proof-of-understanding" aka handwriting 1596916;1483587655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that you don't know is exactly the point, now isn't it. not so dumb after all. 1596917;1483587706;asciilifeform;usa interestingly is full of folx who were born from multi$10k genetic experiment 1596918;1483587721;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's pet, for instance 1596919;1483587744;mircea_popescu;i was thinking more of events that happened 10k+ years ago tbh. 1596920;1483587755;BingoBoingo;That genetic experment used to cost a nickle at the drive in 1596921;1483587763;mircea_popescu;lmao 1596922;1483587795;*;asciilifeform pictures BingoBoingo's impregn^H^H^Hivf clinic 1596923;1483587796;mircea_popescu;hola mylord. 1596924;1483587822;mod6;Hola Gentlemen :] 1596925;1483587840;asciilifeform;btw there was more than one documented case of such clinic being precisely that kind of op 1596926;1483587859;asciilifeform;(d00d served up all clients own spoodge) 1596927;1483587868;mircea_popescu;i recall this 1596928;1483587909;asciilifeform;i've caught self wondering if 'ivf' process as described in textbook, ever worked at all... 1596929;1483587967;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUNOVC1qVjc 1596930;1483588007;adlai;asciilifeform: pls elaborate, what genetic experiment? are we living in 'Gattaca' already? 1596931;1483588032;asciilifeform;adlai's log reading muscle got pulled or wat 1596932;1483588041;asciilifeform;atrophied? 1596933;1483588065;asciilifeform;or he is ll(1) parser 1596934;1483588080;adlai;i skim scrollbacks over a couple hundred lines, i may have missed something. did you deed pet's pedigree? 1596935;1483588129;asciilifeform;read 100% log or suffer, wat can i say 1596936;1483588160;asciilifeform;(suffer, preferably, quietly) 1596937;1483588164;adlai;superstition ain't the way (tm) s (r) 1596938;1483588178;asciilifeform;come on, consider reading. 1596939;1483588182;asciilifeform;it won't killya 1596940;1483588192;mircea_popescu;lmao. the effort this guy puts into trying to look like he belongs here. 1596941;1483588192;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1596942;1483588194;adlai;at least give me something to search. 1596943;1483588201;mircea_popescu;ANYTHING BUT! (tm) (r) 1596944;1483588220;adlai;or a range, so that when i have slaves, i can figure out how much time it'll take them to find the needle 1596945;1483588320;*;mod6 catches up on logs 1596946;1483588328;adlai;hola mod6 1596947;1483588374;mod6;what up adlai 1596948;1483588400;adlai;flailing about hopelessly trying not to do my home-makework. it's not easy! 1596949;1483588413;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude this elliot. SO.LONG. why the fuck are all the retards so fucking longwinded. 1596950;1483588444;*;adlai thinks mircea_popescu wants him to shut up! so if i don't !!up myself again -- good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight. 1596951;1483588447;adlai;!!down adlai 1596952;1483588509;mod6;lolwat 1596953;1483588566;trinque;teh parallol 1596954;1483588674;mircea_popescu;lol italian woman shot a crossbow. epic. 1596955;1483588715;asciilifeform;!~later tell adlai plz consider making some ~use~ of your lispmuscles in a constructive direction. or, failing that, to tune in quietly and looksy-but-dun-touchsy. or you ~will~ end up drummed out, and this time i will not object nor would mircea_popescu et al particularly care if i did . 1596956;1483588715;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1596957;1483588854;mircea_popescu;in other assisted-insemination news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/816ef98fc0f1a62b61d32aa82d09e041/tumblr_o959iavVvq1vs4rsbo1_1280.jpg 1596958;1483590030;trinque;the way this guy pleads about being desperate reminds me of the elliot (named eli, even) in There Will Be Blood. 1596959;1483590049;trinque;not a bad film at all. 1596960;1483590575;trinque;https://archive.is/BH36k << ahaha, having expended ~all~ other avenues (on reddit), he's reached the end (on reddit) 1596961;1483591794;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1596962;1483591828;asciilifeform;'I think that it used to be fun to be a hardware architect. Anything that you invented would be amazing, and the laws of physics were actively trying to help you succeed. Your friend would say, “I wish that we could predict branches more accurately,” and you’d think, “maybe we can leverage three bits of state per branch to implement a simple saturating counter,” and you’d laugh and declare that such a stupid scheme would 1596963;1483591828;asciilifeform;never work, but then you’d test it and it would be 94% accurate, and the branches would wake up the next morning and read their newspapers and the headlines would say OUR WORLD HAS BEEN SET ON FIRE. You’d give your buddy a high-five and go celebrate at the bar, and then you’d think, “I wonder if we can make branch predictors even more accurate,” and the next day you’d start XOR’ing the branch’s PC address with a shift 1596964;1483591829;asciilifeform; register containing the branch’s recent branching history, because in those days, you could XOR anything with anything and get something useful...' 1596965;1483591845;asciilifeform;'... You go to work hung-over, and you realize that, during a drunken conference call, you told your boss that your processor has 32 registers when it only has 8, but then you realize THAT YOU CAN TOTALLY LIE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PHYSICAL REGISTERS, and you invent a crazy hardware mapping scheme from virtual registers to physical ones, and at this point, you start seducing the spouses of the compiler team...' 1596966;1483591860;asciilifeform;(whole thing a riot. 'the slow winter', j. mickens) 1596967;1483591984;asciilifeform;( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/sU7ZS/?raw=true ) 1596968;1483592366;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo dude this elliot. SO.LONG. why the fuck are all the retards so fucking longwinded. << Well this one's in England, and Tall, and not yet known to be An Hero 1596969;1483592439;BingoBoingo;"and you could eat caviar and manatee steak" << Now manatee demands plane ticket 1596970;1483592500;asciilifeform;today plane ticket, tomorrow -- plane 1596971;1483592534;asciilifeform;(if the mega-fat folx can successfully wheedle 'right to' 2nd seat for phreee, why not RIGHT TO charter plane???) 1596972;1483592682;pete_dushenski; https://www.rt.com/news/372700-foreign-intelligence-istanbul-attack/ 1596973;1483592742;asciilifeform;'“Abu Muhammed Horasani” managed to escape from Reina by covering himself in his victims’ blood and used a taxi to escape the murder scene.' lolwat 1596974;1483592751;asciilifeform;new one. 1596975;1483592785;asciilifeform;gotta remember this algo 1596976;1483592794;asciilifeform;escape from bank heist by covering self in hundies, prolly also worx 1596977;1483592803;pete_dushenski;it's a variant of thief crying thief 1596978;1483592857;pete_dushenski;http://www.bluesodapromo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/halloween-post-its.jpg << except with hundos 1596979;1483593411;trinque;http://www.livescience.com/57373-52-countries-ban-spanking-france.html << meanwhile, france bans beating one's kids (impotently, apparently..), citing research showing "they weren't that good at it anyway" 1596980;1483604448;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596721 <<< 1.0 would do perfectly for that matter. "2.0" has a stench of "i just heard about Bitcoin, I'm here to fix it" 1596981;1483604448;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 01:05 adlai: calling it Bitcoin 2.0 is excellent blanding, prb are permastuck in 0.landia 1596982;1483606501;davout;https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.zf4axvgbj <<< pretty lulzy, aka "we have nfi how we should make money" 1596983;1483612762;mircea_popescu;davout the notion that those fucktards thought at any point they're employing 150 people... 1596984;1483612798;mircea_popescu;"helped make medium what it is today" ? what the everloving fuck IS it, an upstart hoping to one day be a #trilema log ? whoa! 1596985;1483612971;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596974 << not new at all, posed as victim 1596986;1483612971;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 05:05 asciilifeform: new one. 1596987;1483614112;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wrSiG/?raw=true 1596988;1483614369;*;asciilifeform ponders the puzzler 1596989;1483614682;mircea_popescu;incidentally ben_vulpes did you end up with a masamune thingee ? 1596990;1483616191;mircea_popescu;!!key gabriel_laddel_p 1596991;1483616192;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5787B7B432C4D799A52220EC2991FD97FBEB6F3B.asc 1596992;1483617319;Framedragger;medium: "However, in building out this model, we realized we didn’t yet have the right solution to the big question of driving payment for quality content." ahahahahaa another startup realizes that this exotic nuance of balance sheet called REVENUE cannot be simply california-sun-wished-away 1596993;1483617524;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: I had previously sent you all the required information via PM. Perhaps my connection was (silently) dropped prior. 1596994;1483617538;gabriel_laddel_p;In any case, the answer is no. 1596995;1483618388;mircea_popescu;aok 1596996;1483618947;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596442 << haha! :) haven't heard of it (if you mean the tea brand). gift looks nice - hopefully there's actual proper .lt honey in it (if so - ftw / gonna be a treat). dunno what the odds for that are tho. 1596997;1483618947;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 23:16 pete_dushenski: straight from lithuania! (is Framedragger familiar with this brand?) 1596998;1483618980;Framedragger;that handwritten card looks rather lovely i must say 1596999;1483618989;mircea_popescu;nice people huh. 1597000;1483619026;Framedragger;i say! 1597001;1483619253;shinohai;http://archive.is/lJ3pY <<< DNS + Ether, what could possibly go wrong? 1597002;1483619427;mircea_popescu;"James Mickens is a researcher in the Distributed Systems group at Microsoft’s Redmond lab. His current research focuses on web applications, with an emphasis on the design of JavaScript frameworks that allow developers to diagnose and fix bugs in widely deployed web applications." << i hope someone seduced his spouse 1597003;1483619468;mircea_popescu;preferably, someone called antron / big lurch. thrice. and i hope he's stuck raising the offspring, like that bill de blasio idiot. 1597004;1483619483;mircea_popescu;at least they won't be helping anyone with javascript. 1597005;1483619497;shinohai;var=cucked 1597006;1483621318;davout;such freefall, very volatility, much seatbelts, wow 1597007;1483621320;davout;!~ticker --market all --currency eur 1597008;1483621328;jhvh1;davout: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 950.080998, vol: 29021.94177383 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 961.34851, vol: 422.36114 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 954.960618, vol: 4927124.52710000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 959.999, vol: 26589.3191255 | Volume-weighted last average: 954.959624473 1597009;1483621962;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8n77aXYMB1rcyjlao1_1280.jpg 1597010;1483622031;shinohai;IT'S A TRAP 1597011;1483622050;mircea_popescu;troubled asses rape plan! 1597012;1483623567;mircea_popescu;eh ffs. 1597013;1483632068;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-december-2016-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), December 2016 Statement 1597014;1483633388;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/05/a-quick-trick-to-save-medium-articles-before-they-go-bye-bye/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A quick trick to save Medium articles before they go bye-bye. 1597015;1483642075;mod6;Hola 1597016;1483642119;mircea_popescu;hai 1597017;1483642132;*;mircea_popescu is writing up the fabulous hash function just in case. 1597018;1483642139;asciilifeform;oooh neato 1597019;1483642202;*;asciilifeform behind schedule on earlier $items, sadly did not have time to further massage subj 1597020;1483642323;mod6;yeah, i did get a chance to skim the PHP, but not much else yet. 1597021;1483642381;mod6;cool stuff 1597022;1483644124;mircea_popescu;done. 1597023;1483644133;mircea_popescu;maybe that is better suited. 1597024;1483644784;ben_vulpes;glyf.org dns servers not working for anyone else? 1597025;1483644851;mircea_popescu;confirmed. 1597026;1483644863;mircea_popescu;yo phf 1597027;1483644904;mircea_popescu;mmm now i get 66.35.48.19 1597028;1483644926;ben_vulpes;aok there we go 1597029;1483644988;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596792 << spiffy as hell phf i very much wanted this the other night 1597030;1483644988;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 02:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596739 << while this does give me a diff envy, i'm cooking something that asciilifeform might find useful http://glyf.org/tmp/press-tree.png 1597031;1483645009;mircea_popescu;and in other modern art, http://68.media.tumblr.com/c3a9f3a638093cc83be9d4c07b23e3fe/tumblr_o2bscuWbtH1rg2eiao1_1280.jpg 1597032;1483645181;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ << Trilema - Towards a better hash function 1597033;1483645388;ben_vulpes;omg davout great minds! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596982 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596429 1597034;1483645388;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 08:55 davout: https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.zf4axvgbj <<< pretty lulzy, aka "we have nfi how we should make money" 1597035;1483645388;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 22:46 ben_vulpes: https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.8gsm40qwc << "we have no fucking idea how to make money from livejournal in 2017, but that's not going to stop us from lighting our investor's capital on fire and warming ourselves in front of it while lamenting the capitalist system!" 1597036;1483645437;mircea_popescu;lol 1597037;1483645448;*;mircea_popescu noticed, didn't say nuttin. was lulzy. 1597038;1483645634;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: ack 1597039;1483645664;ben_vulpes;hey could i beg a translation of the forum? 1597040;1483645687;ben_vulpes;oh nm it's spam 1597041;1483645709;ben_vulpes;has bullet points and all! 1597042;1483645850;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596989 << let's just say i am going to have to jump through some hoops 1597043;1483645850;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 11:11 mircea_popescu: incidentally ben_vulpes did you end up with a masamune thingee ? 1597044;1483645880;ben_vulpes;i'm going to it's just going to take an eternity. 1597045;1483645888;ben_vulpes;d'you want me to get you one as well? 1597046;1483645891;ben_vulpes;!up fromloper 1597047;1483645905;trinque;!!up fromloper 1597048;1483645906;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1597049;1483645943;trinque;cowards, all. 1597050;1483645953;trinque;unrelatedly, masamune vid was impressive, ftr 1597051;1483646016;ben_vulpes;aye 1597052;1483646025;ben_vulpes;damn spiffy, that's why i wanted to host it! 1597053;1483646043;trinque;I reiterate that I would love to have a guy I can holler at and throw money at to improve CLIM 1597054;1483646863;asciilifeform;in other lulz: https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/2/27/kaby_lake_%28dual_core%29_%28annotated%29.png << nsa core fully ~1/4..~1/2 of the die!? 1597055;1483646877;asciilifeform;^ latest wintel konsoomer part 1597056;1483648392;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597033 <<< lol fail 1597057;1483648392;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 19:43 ben_vulpes: omg davout great minds! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596982 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596429 1597058;1483648723;ben_vulpes;and in other faceless women: http://68.media.tumblr.com/03e68a7063687a68e1321b2129a02ac1/tumblr_ojb3iqgp6y1rxaxgfo1_1280.jpg 1597059;1483648777;asciilifeform;anybody know of a lightweight and non-automake-infested log library for c proggy ? 1597060;1483648824;asciilifeform;30 yrs of open sores does not appear to have produced one 1597061;1483648829;asciilifeform;but perhaps i overlooked something. 1597062;1483648878;ben_vulpes;just write to stdout 1597063;1483648880;ben_vulpes;:D 1597064;1483648966;asciilifeform;well, stderr 1597065;1483648986;asciilifeform;but i'd like timestamps, rollover, and nonbufferization 1597066;1483648993;asciilifeform;like most folx 1597067;1483649028;asciilifeform;i have stderr for free, already knew where to find it, thx ben_vulpes 1597068;1483649059;ben_vulpes;dying of grins over here 1597069;1483649084;ben_vulpes;in other terrorisms: https://github.com/DanMcInerney/wifijammer 1597070;1483649115;trinque;asciilifeform: has to be a lib? 1597071;1483649133;asciilifeform;trinque: ideally just a few 100 (max) lines of .h 1597072;1483649141;asciilifeform;i.e. readable 1597073;1483649173;asciilifeform;i am specifically uninterested in 'zlog' or any other automake rubbish. 1597074;1483649205;*;trinque tends to have one proggie fart log via stdout into svlogd 1597075;1483649210;trinque;rather than having it manage own logs 1597076;1483649231;trinque;dunno if this is applicable at all to what you're building 1597077;1483649246;asciilifeform;this works when your proggy never dies suddenly without chance to flush buffers 1597078;1483649255;asciilifeform;nor wants to reserve stdout for something else 1597079;1483649300;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://www.telegraphkeys.com/images/straightkeys/spark/sparkgap.jpg << better wifi jammer 1597080;1483649315;asciilifeform;(why jam 1 user at a time, wtf) 1597081;1483649399;diana_coman;asciilifeform, iirc there was a clog thing that was just one header - quite basic though and I have no idea in what state it is currently (i.e. whether of any use really) 1597082;1483649409;asciilifeform;diana_coman: got link ? 1597083;1483649478;diana_coman;asciilifeform, https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mmueller/clog/master/clog.h 1597084;1483649493;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman 1597085;1483650537;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597026 << namecheap is not very good 1597086;1483650537;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 19:34 mircea_popescu: yo phf 1597087;1483650564;phf;but i've no idea what to switch to, as per recent threads 1597088;1483650837;phf;it's safe to save 66.35.48.19 for glyf.org, it's been the same ip for the past 10 years or so. in fact, assuming this is not some weird overflow issue, today is a birthday on glyf.org machine. 2048 days uptime 1597089;1483650892;ben_vulpes;mazel tov, phf 1597090;1483652323;ben_vulpes;and in other "eat recycled food": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/27751961/ 1597091;1483652465;asciilifeform;lel paywall 1597092;1483652680;asciilifeform;but from abstract, it seems like a stretch, charitably. (blinds with uv? asciilifeform sunburns in about 5minutes, and so owns a uv dosimeter, it reads 0 at point blank range from led bulbs of whatever make -- i have at least 5 popular models here.) 1597093;1483652706;asciilifeform;with ~blue~ ? brighter blue from lamp than from the sun? really, srs? 1597094;1483652726;phf;i think canonical url for article is http://linkinghub.elsevier.com.secure.sci-hub.cc/retrieve/pii/S0306-4522(16)30524-3 1597095;1483653052;asciilifeform;aaaa guess what ain't in there 1597096;1483653059;asciilifeform;(spectra!) 1597097;1483653085;asciilifeform;such lulz, such apparently good wurk, and 0 spectra. 1597098;1483653132;asciilifeform;(if i missed a 'and we had ~0-uvpermeability glass in front of the rat cage...' plz correct me...) 1597099;1483653156;asciilifeform;cheapo 'white' led leaks , yes, uv. 1597100;1483653198;asciilifeform;~0 of which gets through typical lamp dome, just as nobody gets sunburn from sitting near a window indoors. 1597101;1483653201;ben_vulpes;interdasting 1597102;1483653224;ben_vulpes;yeah, why no spectra? 1597103;1483653240;asciilifeform;i grunted through whole thing in search of it 1597104;1483653248;asciilifeform;then went 'holy fuq' 1597105;1483653286;asciilifeform;nominal peak in nm from datashit is not substitute for spectra, wtf, omfg. 1597106;1483654604;asciilifeform;in other olds, https://archive.is/vDN6w << more re variant diff algos. 1597107;1483655039;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: odds are pretty good! :D http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/baltic-servers-xmas-gift-3.jpg 1597108;1483655780;pete_dushenski;in other real deals, the og podesta phish http://archive.is/jB78F 1597109;1483655802;pete_dushenski;from: "> IP Address: 134.249.139.239 > Location: Ukraine" 1597110;1483655896;trinque;bit.ly ahaha 1597111;1483656300;pete_dushenski;dunno what his google pwd was, but apparently 'Runner4567' unlocked podesta's apple acct 1597112;1483656628;ben_vulpes;and they aspire to run the world 1597113;1483656895;pete_dushenski;podesta et al. might even have what it ~took~ to run the world of their formative years, but meanwhile time marched on and they've now wandered far, far from home. similarly, god help the lot of us in 30-40 years. don't forget just how old these team clitler fogies are either. 1597114;1483657005;asciilifeform;oh and, if there was mention of uv cataract signs on the rats' corneas, i missed it... 1597115;1483657242;ben_vulpes;looking a bit more like "oop, flawed experimental design" 1597116;1483657262;ben_vulpes;although why not "hey check it out, indoor led manufacturers routinely ship uv-emitters" 1597117;1483657286;ben_vulpes;i suppose because if a thing cannot be claimed about the research lab's pet topics, it is not worth publishing? 1597118;1483657292;ben_vulpes;what is going on in their heads... 1597119;1483659596;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: possibly because if you were to measure how much uv got pumped into the rat eyes, the 'blue poison' thing evaporates 1597120;1483659643;ben_vulpes;kinda what i was saying 1597121;1483659659;asciilifeform;(leaving entirely aside the validity of a burrowing animal as a model for blindness via overexposure to ~whatever~ wavelength of light) 1597122;1483659667;ben_vulpes;heh right 1597123;1483659718;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it ain't a 'flawed' experimental design, any more than a land mine is a 'flawed' dinner plate 1597124;1483659726;asciilifeform;it is chumpatronic. 1597125;1483659886;ben_vulpes;in that it is designed to show that "blue light == bad"? 1597126;1483659907;asciilifeform;at the very least, to sow fud 1597127;1483659912;asciilifeform;and 'regulatory' fodder. 1597128;1483659923;ben_vulpes;ah yeah, that 1597129;1483659945;ben_vulpes;ye olde edifice of scientistic governance 1597130;1483659989;asciilifeform;led lamp makers are scamming folx left and right in entirely nonsubtle ways (i just unscrewed 5th dead '20 year life!111' bulb this year, none were older than ~1y) 1597131;1483660018;ben_vulpes;dissect any of 'em? 1597132;1483660022;asciilifeform;yes 1597133;1483660033;ben_vulpes;and is the failure in the leds or electronix? 1597134;1483660034;asciilifeform;mix of dead rectifiers and blown caps 1597135;1483660038;ben_vulpes;ahaha 1597136;1483660039;asciilifeform;it's ~never the led 1597137;1483660050;ben_vulpes;"hey, the LEDs last forever kid!" 1597138;1483660053;asciilifeform;aha. 1597139;1483660094;asciilifeform;one reason is that the chumps often submit'em, for free, for 'recycle', and the lamp house gets to sell ~same motherfucking lamp N times 1597140;1483660102;asciilifeform;replacing 5cent part. 1597141;1483660141;asciilifeform;(they are not, before anyone asks, +ev to fix at home, you will not get the tin can with the heat sink closed to anything like the shape you want it to be to fit in any fixture) 1597142;1483660155;asciilifeform;or to even adequately conduct heat again 1597143;1483660176;asciilifeform;the folx makin' these things --- thought things through, yes. 1597144;1483660249;asciilifeform;the other thing about these lamps is that (at least i find) they are addictive -- after stuffing 2 100w-imitators into a fixture that cannot physically hold 2 100w edison bulbs without catching fire, it is painful to go back 1597145;1483660258;asciilifeform;you get used to room being bright enough to read in. 1597146;1483660292;asciilifeform;(a '100w' imitator eats 10-15w) 1597147;1483660323;asciilifeform;heat dissipation, elementarily, ~= wattage. 1597148;1483660360;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597045 << nah was just evaluating an idea ; meanwhile the guy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596994 so ima just let it be. 1597149;1483660360;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 19:51 ben_vulpes: d'you want me to get you one as well? 1597150;1483660360;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 11:58 gabriel_laddel_p: In any case, the answer is no. 1597151;1483660383;asciilifeform;lel, d00d decided not to sell any moar after all ? 1597152;1483660394;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. whatevs. 1597153;1483660423;*;asciilifeform confesses to complete lack of emotion re subj 1597154;1483660509;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597080 << doh. 1597155;1483660509;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 20:48 asciilifeform: (why jam 1 user at a time, wtf) 1597156;1483660512;BingoBoingo; the other thing about these lamps is that (at least i find) they are addictive -- after stuffing 2 100w-imitators into a fixture that cannot physically hold 2 100w edison bulbs without catching fire, it is painful to go back << Just get new porcelain fixture. 150 to 300 Watt edisons are still available 1597157;1483660517;mircea_popescu;WHY DO YOU THINK 1597158;1483660595;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not practical to put a 200w-dissipating fixture on a ceiling already so low mircea_popescu would scratch the top of his dome if he came to my house 1597159;1483660609;mircea_popescu;eugh. 1597160;1483660621;mircea_popescu;anyway, i fgind the converse to be true, proper lights quite addictive. 1597161;1483660646;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-120966 << comment got snippetysnipped! 1597162;1483660655;asciilifeform;it oughta read 'i.e. nextpos <= pos ? pos-- : maxpos.' 1597163;1483660668;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 200watt fixture is typically a flat disk of porcelain with socket. What mega dissipation? 1597164;1483660688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dangling < must be introduced as < 1597165;1483660693;asciilifeform;ugh 1597166;1483660699;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE HTML HAS MAGIC WORD 1597167;1483660748;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i took a 100w-max one apart not long ago, found that even it includes fiberglass fireproofing thing next to ceiling 1597168;1483660784;asciilifeform;american houses are the architectural mcdonalds, cramped, uncomfortable cardboard crematoria waiting to ignite 1597169;1483660788;mircea_popescu;all mine are ceramic. also my ceilings went from the standard 2.3 to the rarer 2.85 sometime long ago. turns out - also quite addictive. 1597170;1483660797;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, civilized ceiling 1597171;1483660820;asciilifeform;exists in ~0 dwellings in usa, at least in ~nothing built since 1970s (speaking here strictly of residential bldgs) 1597172;1483660821;mircea_popescu;2 types of bum : he who lives in hovel where can see the stars through the ceiling, and he who lives in hovel where can touch the ceiling. 1597173;1483660851;asciilifeform;in usa, ~everyone (save for 'old money' rockefeller types) are at best #2bum 1597174;1483660876;asciilifeform;though oddly enough, the hovels where i lived as a student were old enough to have proper ceilings ! 1597175;1483660877;mircea_popescu;whole buildings of type 3 still exist here, unmolested since the 60s 1597176;1483660889;asciilifeform;yeah complete with old ru-made locks 1597177;1483660889;mircea_popescu;back when middle class was quite pointedly != bum yet. 1597178;1483660892;asciilifeform;(tru story!11) 1597179;1483660893;mircea_popescu;yup. 1597180;1483660938;ben_vulpes;i grew up in one of those houses 1597181;1483660941;ben_vulpes;do not live in one now 1597182;1483660976;BingoBoingo;660 watt max at 250 VAC for GE "Medium Base Keyless White Porcelain Lampholder" which is basic $6 flat ceramic disk with bulb socket 1597183;1483660978;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597088 << (happy (many) return) 1597184;1483660978;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 21:13 phf: it's safe to save 66.35.48.19 for glyf.org, it's been the same ip for the past 10 years or so. in fact, assuming this is not some weird overflow issue, today is a birthday on glyf.org machine. 2048 days uptime 1597185;1483660999;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's ok, it's because upwards mobility, see? you can now touch ceilings your parents couldn't. 1597186;1483661002;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i think you mean (return (many happy)) 1597187;1483661023;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it isn't the lamp that catches fire 1597188;1483661024;mircea_popescu;let's diff. 1597189;1483661025;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: glorious socialist wasteland of stealing the stolen from 1597190;1483661044;ben_vulpes;but hey, at least standard deduction is going to 24k for the married men 1597191;1483661057;mircea_popescu;i thought you lived with two women. 1597192;1483661071;ben_vulpes;no? 1597193;1483661077;asciilifeform;i also thought! 1597194;1483661077;mircea_popescu;aok then 1597195;1483661079;asciilifeform;why did i think this 1597196;1483661080;ben_vulpes;no. 1597197;1483661087;ben_vulpes;why did you all think this? 1597198;1483661094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cuz he keeps saying things that go perfectly with it ? i dunno. 1597199;1483661100;ben_vulpes;can't pretend to visit mistress when wife is in same haus 1597200;1483661108;asciilifeform;aha, he has the air of a 2-engined fella 1597201;1483661109;mircea_popescu;see ? 1597202;1483661113;mircea_popescu;YOU JUST DID IT! 1597203;1483661146;ben_vulpes;it says nothing of living omgwtfbbq 1597204;1483661170;mircea_popescu;if you say "can't pretend to visit mistress when wife is in same haus" the parser wil lsettle on "that's because wife and girl share a bedroom." 1597205;1483661172;ben_vulpes;mistress is 90% joke anyways! tell wife going to visit mistress, save time on mistress at shop! 1597206;1483661192;mircea_popescu;it's ok ben jewes, you can tell us. 1597207;1483661214;ben_vulpes;only one woman in my house i swears. 1597208;1483661243;*;mircea_popescu deduces mistress is a boy. LOGIC PREVAILS. 1597209;1483661248;ben_vulpes;most of the time at least 1597210;1483661262;asciilifeform;oh i know how this knot is cut: 1597211;1483661266;ben_vulpes;i snort derisively at you mircea_popescu 1597212;1483661272;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes has one chick, but WITH HYPERTHREADING 1597213;1483661285;ben_vulpes;aka "multiple personality disorder" 1597214;1483661290;mircea_popescu;is he like, a duck ? has threaded business tool ? 1597215;1483661309;ben_vulpes;let me check 1597216;1483661312;ben_vulpes;maybe! 1597217;1483661319;ben_vulpes;my gut is hanging over it, can't tell anymore 1597218;1483661329;mircea_popescu;~you~ have a gut ? 1597219;1483661336;mircea_popescu;the world is at an end. 1597220;1483661339;ben_vulpes;that'd be the joke, yes 1597221;1483661343;mircea_popescu;aok. 1597222;1483661369;ben_vulpes;"it's fighting PUNCH not fighting PAUNCH you nincompoops!" 1597223;1483661438;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597100 << this is not actually true, ftr. back in the days of unfloated double-panel with gas separator, you could get plenty sunburnt in the northern solaria domes during their pathetic excuse for a summer. 1597224;1483661438;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 21:53 asciilifeform: ~0 of which gets through typical lamp dome, just as nobody gets sunburn from sitting near a window indoors. 1597225;1483661460;asciilifeform;domes! 1597226;1483661462;asciilifeform;not window 1597227;1483661470;asciilifeform;(yes it does not absorb 100%) 1597228;1483661548;asciilifeform;a small angle makes for fat diff in atmosphere b/w you and sun, consider how beach umbrella worx. 1597229;1483661556;asciilifeform;(angle from vertical) 1597230;1483661561;mircea_popescu;yup 1597231;1483661591;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is a thing of the 70s, mostly gone now. the modern northern "window" is so insulating as you couldn't believe. 1597232;1483661661;*;asciilifeform just measured another led lamp, 0 at 5cm. 1597233;1483661667;asciilifeform;of uv. 1597234;1483661702;asciilifeform;(for this sensor, anything below 400nm) 1597235;1483661784;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/KxvRD << sadly for the credibility of the us "intelligence community", 134.249.139.239 was doing web/blog spam back in 2014. 1597236;1483661804;asciilifeform;open proxy or wut 1597237;1483661903;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597130 << meanwhile low efficiency incandescents i bought 18 month ago in 3s because seemed like novelty item and will die in mere months STILL MARCH ON 1597238;1483661903;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 23:46 asciilifeform: led lamp makers are scamming folx left and right in entirely nonsubtle ways (i just unscrewed 5th dead '20 year life!111' bulb this year, none were older than ~1y) 1597239;1483661918;mircea_popescu;having menawhile colored their glass a very superb tint of rose through metal deposition 1597240;1483661964;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597139 << quite this, actually. i never "recycle" in the sense of give for free. straight into kitchen trash it all goes. let them learn how to pay. 1597241;1483661964;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 23:48 asciilifeform: one reason is that the chumps often submit'em, for free, for 'recycle', and the lamp house gets to sell ~same motherfucking lamp N times 1597242;1483661975;ben_vulpes;http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kw2kn8Aead1qzpam5o1_1280.jpg << "with powerstache and fighting paunch!" 1597243;1483662020;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wonder if they have prisoners sift through rubbish in search of lamps yet. 1597244;1483662027;mircea_popescu;let 'em. 1597245;1483662035;mircea_popescu;somehow - they will pay. i ain't giving jack for free. 1597246;1483662079;mircea_popescu;all this "oh, we're all friends" bs is for the dogs. i ain't fiatola's friend. 1597247;1483662087;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aha yes i play the exact opposite game. "oh, the recycling bin is the big one? great, that's where everything goes." 1597248;1483662100;asciilifeform;i do different thing -- mail the lamps back, with a note about considering www article re rubbish lamp, and inviting maker to consider honouring the warranty 1597249;1483662113;asciilifeform;the result, curiously enough, is ~two~ new units, about 6 months later, in each case 1597250;1483662114;mircea_popescu;heh, they're doing the whole "portland the spacestation, only so much volume available" thign there huh 1597251;1483662125;asciilifeform;(now, they ALSO burn after 6mo. so not all that useful.) 1597252;1483662141;mircea_popescu;evidently you got one of the recycled. 1597253;1483662157;mircea_popescu;yes, "manufacturer thought things through", but not in the sense usually contemplated. 1597254;1483662160;asciilifeform;'let's give'im that one SPESHUL horse' 1597255;1483662167;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) (mircea_popescu) 1597256;1483662174;mircea_popescu;ah, the cairo thing ? 1597257;1483662176;asciilifeform;aha. 1597258;1483662189;mircea_popescu;idiots. who the fuck do they think they are, seriously, buncha inept alt-white people. 1597259;1483662200;asciilifeform;soft-white! 1597260;1483662210;mircea_popescu;"oh, he's not from around here, which means we can't live in his house but NEITHER CAN HE IN OURS! because that's how white man supremacy works, totally!" 1597261;1483662235;asciilifeform;(lampism esoterica. 'soft white' is the trade name for the faux-incandescent phosphor variant led) 1597262;1483662246;mircea_popescu;heh 1597263;1483662253;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the duck pond, http://68.media.tumblr.com/97461d3414b20d53eb11a08ddf547d83/tumblr_mva0e1uGFJ1ra4o0oo1_1280.jpg 1597264;1483662316;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/fuck-white-people-pack-of-native-chicagoans-torture-captive-white-boy/ << Qntra - "Fuck White People": Pack Of Native Chicagoans Torture Captive White Boy 1597265;1483662454;BingoBoingo; (now, they ALSO burn after 6mo. so not all that useful.) << Have you hunted for miswired low voltage hvac or door bell transformers? I had a "bulb killing fixture" that was tamed by removing backfeeding noisy ass doorbell transformer. 1597266;1483662466;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no such thing here. 1597267;1483662482;asciilifeform;this place didn't even have a doorbell until i put in chinese battery-powered thing 1597268;1483662500;BingoBoingo;And furnace/blower? 1597269;1483662504;asciilifeform;ditto 1597270;1483662521;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i do have a voltage plotter here, though. 1597271;1483662523;asciilifeform;runs 24/7 1597272;1483662561;asciilifeform;126.4 v (rms) peak for last 12 months. 1597273;1483662601;BingoBoingo;"How capactive is your swamp?" 1597274;1483662915;mircea_popescu;honestly i have nfi what a "doorbell" is for. police doesn't knock anymore anyway and everyone else should make a fucking appointment. 1597275;1483662921;mircea_popescu;who receives people off the street randomly ? 1597276;1483662929;asciilifeform;people, nobody 1597277;1483662931;asciilifeform;mail. 1597278;1483662937;mircea_popescu;doorbell for mail ? 1597279;1483662942;asciilifeform;for parcels 1597280;1483662952;mircea_popescu;why'd you receive mail personally anyway. 1597281;1483662977;asciilifeform;not everybody has a guard booth with servant chilling his bones by the antitank ditch on the edge of the dirigible field. 1597282;1483662981;mircea_popescu;i guess it's different for collectors huh. 1597283;1483663296;asciilifeform;btw, bonus tip for tuned-in folx, it dun hurt to have a number of cameras pointed at door- or window-shaped holes in your dwelling, some of which are prominent, and might depend on mains current, but others -- not so prominent, and do not, and do not write to the net or to any place you can get to other than by demolishing whole bldg 1597284;1483663460;BingoBoingo; honestly i have nfi what a "doorbell" is for. police doesn't knock anymore anyway and everyone else should make a fucking appointment. << apparently they are for backfeeding current into switched circuits they are wired off of when said circuits are "off" 1597285;1483663517;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i saw interesting variant of this, with the selfsame led bulbs, where a dead lamp would light for about 1/2 second after the live one connected in tandem switched (from wall switch) off ! 1597286;1483663537;asciilifeform;not enough of a spike to propagate down the wire to where i have the plotter 1597287;1483663550;asciilifeform;but enough to push the 'dead' cap-less unit over the edge, briefly. 1597288;1483663567;BingoBoingo;Count wires in junction box and enter attic to view from above? 1597289;1483663584;asciilifeform;view what 1597290;1483663595;BingoBoingo;wires entering an exiting box 1597291;1483663598;asciilifeform;it's a standard american 15amp circuit 1597292;1483663624;BingoBoingo;No such thing in residential because previous tenants or owners "Pro Idiotas" 1597293;1483663686;asciilifeform;in so far as can tell with naked eye, and with the sensors, it was built 'by the book'. 1597294;1483663740;asciilifeform;speaking of shit wiring, thermovisor will show you some very interesting things in an old house. 1597295;1483663791;asciilifeform;(will also show you who, or what, is alive in parked vans, but best observed quietly) 1597296;1483663792;BingoBoingo;In so far as many magnetic studfinders can tell, galvanized pipe and emt conduit are promising places to drill and screw 1597297;1483663831;asciilifeform;lul didja read the thing backwards or wat 1597298;1483663844;asciilifeform;and they're densitometric not magnetic, wtf 1597299;1483663876;BingoBoingo;Studfinders? Nah magnet on a pivot that "catches" on ferrous metal like nails 1597300;1483663893;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo's is from 19th c or wat 1597301;1483663955;*;BingoBoingo sometimes doesn't care to make 9v battery run just because fancy studfinder was thirsty 1597302;1483663998;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/hand-tools/layout-tools/dewalt-wall-scanner-teardown_o 1597303;1483664091;BingoBoingo;!~google "johnson stud finder plus" 1597304;1483664093;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Amazon.com: Johnson Level & Tool 160 Stud Finder Plus : Home ...: ; Customer Reviews: Johnson Level & Tool 160 Stud Finder Plus: ; Johnson Stud Finder Plus -160 - The Home Depot: ; Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Stanley 47-400 Magnetic Stud ...: ; Magnetic Stud Finder - 47-400 | STANLEY Tools: (1 more message) 1597307;1483664216;BingoBoingo;Stanley 47-400 is best studfinder by company which produced monster sensortron asciilifeform linked 1597308;1483664251;asciilifeform;aha if you like drilling into yer pipes. 1597309;1483664278;BingoBoingo;That's what measuring tape is for, to check where stud ought to be 1597310;1483664309;asciilifeform;'ought to' is of limited use. 1597311;1483664316;asciilifeform;incidentally thermovisor will also show you studs 1597312;1483664323;asciilifeform;(exercise for reader, to understand why) 1597313;1483664350;BingoBoingo;studs are thermally conductive relative to every else that should be in wall 1597314;1483664357;asciilifeform;aha 1597315;1483664496;BingoBoingo;brb, sobertime 1597316;1483664560;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://www.crimeflare.com/russia.html 1597317;1483665485;mircea_popescu;and in other screwfinders, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4ccdbcb8853d915d593ca4dcab9fdb55/tumblr_o51sb9U9kq1upevjso1_1280.png 1597318;1483665488;mircea_popescu;or was it studfinders. 1597319;1483665536;asciilifeform;gotta love fleanode 1597320;1483665555;asciilifeform;apparently my nick is 'never registered' on somewhere b/w 1/2 to 2/3 of all fleanode boxen 1597321;1483665628;mircea_popescu;be less terrorist. 1597322;1483665716;asciilifeform;لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله! 1597323;1483679186;ben_vulpes;oh cool 1597324;1483679203;ben_vulpes;naively, i figured cp simply overwrote the target 1597325;1483679208;ben_vulpes;no it's all clever and shit 1597326;1483679240;ben_vulpes;no-clobber options, delete-target options 1597327;1483679262;ben_vulpes;i'm sure it's all very useful in the prevention of foot-shoosting but ugh 1597328;1483679367;mircea_popescu;there's prolly a "stfu" switch 1597329;1483679401;ben_vulpes;what i want is a "bitch do the obvious thing" switch 1597330;1483679415;mircea_popescu;heh 1597331;1483681760;ben_vulpes;> Eshell does not support input redirection 1597332;1483681764;ben_vulpes;k, never using that again 1597333;1483682528;mircea_popescu;wtf is that! 1597334;1483682532;ben_vulpes;mod6: what was the reasoning behind http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles#L378 again? 1597335;1483682572;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: one of the several emacs shell thingers 1597336;1483682593;mircea_popescu;nuts, "this calender doesn't support pasta". wtf is it even there then 1597337;1483682654;ben_vulpes;my jimmies ain't even rustled, par for the course 1597338;1483682835;ben_vulpes;mod6: on previous thread, i have a vague memory of stuffing a RELEASE stanza in every file of a release to neck the tree down 1597339;1483682848;ben_vulpes;well of discussing said stanza 1597340;1483682945;ben_vulpes;anyways this came to my attention when i had the privkey tools vpatch on my table and it showed up *above* makefiles.vpatch in the output of both our flow utils, which spooked me 1597341;1483683019;ben_vulpes;so i cracked everything open, and sure enough the patch in question doesn't touch any files touched in the makefiles vpatch 1597342;1483683234;ben_vulpes;open topic for when folks wake up i suppose. 1597343;1483683461;ben_vulpes;also what's the deal with these single-tx blocks http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate#46 1597344;1483683798;mircea_popescu;these happen occasionally, what about 'em ? 1597345;1483683838;mircea_popescu;but as to the other thing, i'm not sure i follow. your v inverted patch flow ? 1597346;1483684038;ben_vulpes;eh, the leaving of free money on the ground baffles me. 1597347;1483684062;mircea_popescu;yeah i can't say i have a very good model of why it happens. 1597348;1483684126;ben_vulpes;not inverted, as far as i can tell it's a fine place in the flow for it to be. i'm a bit discomfited, and am poking an old thread about "release vpatches" that seems to have surfaced unexplainedly in the makefiles vpatch 1597349;1483684155;*;mircea_popescu gives it even odds this ends up with a "include prev hash in comments in files". 1597350;1483684237;ben_vulpes;you advocated this at one other point too, right? 1597351;1483684245;mircea_popescu;ah not at all as advocacy. 1597352;1483684308;mircea_popescu;i'm not proposing it as a solution ; i'm not even sure exactly what you're talking about. just lulzing to self. 1597353;1483684335;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you see http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles#L378 ? 1597354;1483684339;mircea_popescu;i do. 1597355;1483684344;BingoBoingo;Self lulz is still masterbation 1597356;1483684348;mircea_popescu;so there's a version comment there, what of it ? 1597357;1483684368;davout;ohai 1597358;1483684372;mircea_popescu;hola 1597359;1483684374;ben_vulpes;notion, iirc, was to make a "release" vpatch that added *something* to *every file in the tree* to neck the patch graph down 1597360;1483684376;ben_vulpes;morning davout 1597361;1483684400;mircea_popescu;i recall this being proposed but im not sure if it ever was accepted. 1597362;1483684567;ben_vulpes;yeah i'm in the same boat. 1597363;1483684606;mircea_popescu;anyway, the problem of "how to sort two patches which alter entirely disjuncts subsets of the file set" is not exactly clear. unless they declare how they prefer to be sorted. 1597364;1483684617;mircea_popescu;it's also not clear such sorting is meaningful in principle. 1597365;1483684643;ben_vulpes;aye 1597366;1483685209;ben_vulpes;i'm not particularly bent about the sorting, 'twas simply what made me look at the linked stanzas in curiosity. curious about "what of it", as you say. 1597367;1483695671;Framedragger;from glyf.org source, '' << rockville town square, ~15mi north of washington, dc :p 1597368;1483701572;davout;asciilifeform: was there a thread re the side-channel attacks on openssl's ecdsa signature? 1597369;1483702293;davout;from where i stand it seems to me that trb would be vulnerable to it when signing transactions 1597370;1483702319;davout;which, incidentally, seems like yet another very good reason to fully exfiltrate the wallet 1597371;1483704646;mircea_popescu;aha. 1597372;1483704683;Framedragger;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p "I cannot presently maintain a connection to IRC." << get a bouncer ffs. ping me if you'd like a free one 1597373;1483704683;jhvh1;Framedragger: The operation succeeded. 1597374;1483704720;mircea_popescu;you'd think. 1597375;1483704790;Framedragger;it's a well known fact that an unbalanced high number of parentheses results in irc ping timeouts. 1597376;1483704987;deedbot;lies, I tell ya! 1597377;1483705047;Framedragger;:O MIT 1960s A.I. & lisp frenzy, a reboot 1597378;1483705104;trinque;good morning all 1597379;1483705149;Framedragger;mornin' :) 1597380;1483705356;davout;trinque: hai 1597381;1483705837;mircea_popescu;in other "muslim invasion" lulz : http://ask.fm/QueennnNAL ; now we play the game where you find me aryan malmo resident as hawt. 1597382;1483705855;mircea_popescu;it MAY BE that the muslim wave actually improves female livestock on the old & wrinkly continent. 1597383;1483705966;mircea_popescu;http://akphoto2.ask.fm/ac9/ab927/e61a/4cd9/af0f/0976afeff767/original/653401.jpg pic related. 1597384;1483706521;Framedragger;OT, anyone's done an egpu rig on an x220? i'm probably gonna do an abonimation, and connect an nvidia card to x220 via its expresscard slot. there's this antichrist-like adapter (http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/PE4C%20V2.1.html) which does the magic. bottleneck is expresscard (5 gbps or somesuch) but if one uses external monitor, it's all pretty good apparently. 1597385;1483706539;Framedragger;(not worth if you have a really high end gfx card tho - waste of money) 1597386;1483706617;mircea_popescu;yeah external monitor plugged into external card works. 1597387;1483706633;Framedragger;aha, otherwise too much bandwidth gfx card <-> cpu apparently 1597388;1483706637;mircea_popescu;yes 1597389;1483706652;Framedragger;ever done something like that? :) portable rig is portable. 1597390;1483706666;Framedragger;(changing countries come this summer) 1597391;1483706673;mircea_popescu;well, the bus becomes congested, it's not really designed to bridge north and south like that. 1597392;1483706703;Framedragger;right :) 1597393;1483706707;mircea_popescu;and yes i have. not particularly portable, but at some point people in $not-mentioned were offering "plug your laptop into the monitor" style videoconferencing 1597394;1483706769;Framedragger;right, i can see how that can be bundled up into a business product. 1597395;1483707343;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597384 << i used a similar device to connect fpga card to thinkpad, coupla years ago 1597396;1483707343;a111;Logged on 2017-01-06 12:42 Framedragger: OT, anyone's done an egpu rig on an x220? i'm probably gonna do an abonimation, and connect an nvidia card to x220 via its expresscard slot. there's this antichrist-like adapter (http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/PE4C%20V2.1.html) which does the magic. bottleneck is expresscard (5 gbps or somesuch) but if one uses external monitor, it's all pretty good apparently. 1597397;1483707363;asciilifeform;it worx (they come with varying number of bus lanes, see how many in yours) 1597398;1483707434;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597368 << more than one thread. ~which~ side channel are you interested in, davout ? 1597399;1483707434;a111;Logged on 2017-01-06 11:19 davout: asciilifeform: was there a thread re the side-channel attacks on openssl's ecdsa signature? 1597400;1483707542;asciilifeform;Framedragger, mircea_popescu : apparently nowadays you can buy 'thunderbolt' to pcie expanders, if the machine has this plug. (i have not tested this variant.) 1597401;1483707553;asciilifeform;theoretically x16 pcie! 1597402;1483707568;Framedragger;asciilifeform: k, good to know, thanks. it's just one bus lane afaict (pci express x1), ExpressCard 2.0, so 'double' the bandwidth i take it. 4-5gbps total 1597403;1483707570;asciilifeform;(full bus speed!) 1597404;1483707585;mircea_popescu;yeah pcie is becoming quite the proverbial tower of piles. 1597405;1483707587;Framedragger;(i want to connect my x220 which does not have thunderb0lt) 1597406;1483707618;asciilifeform;the other 'abuse tool' you can get is internal pcie to external slot snake 1597407;1483707626;asciilifeform;if you are willing to work with an open arse 1597408;1483707657;Framedragger;ah yeah. there was an old 3g modem plugged into internal pcie, i removed it. pretty lulzy 1597409;1483707664;mircea_popescu;anyway, major point here being "how expensive" is not a good criteria for card. either dig up in the specs or use the cards ppl runnign the thing ask you to 1597410;1483707687;mircea_popescu;laptop, idem. 1597411;1483707695;davout;asciilifeform: none in particular while discussing trb, "trb uses openssl, which is vulnerable to side channel attacks" came up 1597412;1483707699;Framedragger;right. 1597413;1483707718;asciilifeform;davout: side channel isn't magic, you gotta actually ~have~ the side channel 1597414;1483707734;davout;yeah in the sense be on the same box, or physically close 1597415;1483707739;mircea_popescu;more than one mactards threw hissy fit becase "I R HAS GOOD LAPTOP" "dude... it sucks, we can't tell you that it sucks politely, BUT IT DOES." 1597416;1483707743;asciilifeform;e.g., knowing how much power, to the microamp, victim is drawing; or time; etc 1597417;1483707760;mircea_popescu;in the "but do you know who mai father is and why is hybrid mini not also boatcar!!1" 1597418;1483707793;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os 1597419;1483707797;asciilifeform;because... guess.... 1597420;1483707804;asciilifeform;MANDATORY CODE SIGNING 1597421;1483707808;mircea_popescu;i dunno, they had to make space for java machine ? 1597422;1483707810;mircea_popescu;ah. lmao. 1597423;1483707841;asciilifeform;i shit thee not 1597424;1483707842;mircea_popescu;they're insane if they seriously imagine their tivo dumbassery has better chances this time around. but w/e, they DO imagine. 1597425;1483707848;davout;asciilifeform: didn't experience that, what i did experience was "oh no, can't install valgrind because fuck you" 1597426;1483707849;mircea_popescu;"3d experience!!1 AGAIN!!11" 1597427;1483707866;asciilifeform;davout: anything that uses debug hooks, catches fire & dies 1597428;1483707882;mircea_popescu;why the everloving would you valgrind on a laptop ? 1597429;1483707889;asciilifeform;there was some supposed workaround involving self-generated ssl certs but it dun wurk 1597430;1483707911;mircea_popescu;you're the worst sort of engineers, i swear, the kind who calculate tomato production of balcony and are proud to wash their teeth with a motorcycle engine adaptation contraption. 1597431;1483707918;davout;mircea_popescu: finding memory leaks? uninitialized memory accesses etc? helps when teaching oneself c++ 1597432;1483707925;mircea_popescu;USE A COMPUTER 1597433;1483707936;mircea_popescu;laptops aren't computers. they're not even female computers, they're toy computers. 1597434;1483708749;asciilifeform;i should add, the crapple was also the fastest box i had available locally. 1597435;1483708802;asciilifeform;(all of my full-sized mircea_popescu-style comps are 'bearded', this comes with using pre-obummer amd iron.) 1597436;1483709328;mircea_popescu;like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made. 1597437;1483709370;mircea_popescu;and it costs a coupla hundy not a coupla grand, either. 1597438;1483709377;davout;!!rate jurov 4 met IRL, does what he says he will do. 1597439;1483709380;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/IRNh8/?raw=true 1597440;1483709388;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fx is not a ecc chip 1597441;1483709403;mircea_popescu;wait, what, and crapple is ecc ? 1597442;1483709405;asciilifeform;(neither is the crapple) 1597443;1483709411;mircea_popescu;so then wtf holy shit omfg. 1597444;1483709413;mircea_popescu;alfisms. 1597445;1483709433;davout;!!v BD384F58F7B6D80557DBC7EFEF8786B5E305239E6A7768683578F0FD9C728BBA 1597446;1483709433;deedbot;davout updated rating of jurov from 3 to 4 << met IRL, does what he says he will do. 1597447;1483709446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a 'modern' chip, and fritzed. 1597448;1483709488;asciilifeform;or hm, 9500 is not! 1597449;1483709498;asciilifeform;what it is, is the konsoomer version of the opteron i actually have in the box i am sitting on nao! 1597450;1483709499;mircea_popescu;ima just sit here and glare at you. 1597451;1483709524;asciilifeform;so what mircea_popescu just recommended was 'buy the same box that was too slow, but sans ecc'... 1597452;1483709560;asciilifeform;and no, unfortunately it does ~not~ beat the 2016 crapple. 1597453;1483709570;asciilifeform;on any parameter but hygiene. 1597454;1483709663;asciilifeform;also to be absolutely rigorously correct, 'phenom' series ~could~ be coaxed into using ecc ram, but only 'unbuffered' variant (so no 16-stick monster rig). what it wouldn't do is to run in multisocket mobo (which is what i use) 1597455;1483710002;asciilifeform;as for the crapple, it has roughly half of the cpu horse as dulap. 1597456;1483710006;mircea_popescu;oh come on. what's in the crapple ? 1597457;1483710007;asciilifeform;(and yes, a lappy) 1597458;1483710089;mircea_popescu;6360U ? 1597459;1483710101;asciilifeform;i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz 1597460;1483710109;mircea_popescu;lmao ffs. 1597461;1483710116;mircea_popescu;phenom is 2x that bus, ftr. 1597462;1483710216;mircea_popescu;twice the cache, twice the cores, what the shit are you on about. 1597463;1483710219;asciilifeform;best amd box i have is a 2socket x 2393SE. 1597464;1483710239;mircea_popescu;so then. you probably need a dozen bridged crapples to touch the amd box. 1597465;1483710251;mircea_popescu;and of course it'll fall over every 15.5 microseconds 1597466;1483710255;asciilifeform;sadly this is not so in practice. 1597467;1483710284;mircea_popescu;dude... explain what singularity you live in where a half the bus clock half the cores half the cache ONE QUARTER POWER chip is still, somehow, better. 1597468;1483710311;asciilifeform;the one where one box has ddr2 and the other ddr3 possible. 1597469;1483710313;asciilifeform;*possibly 1597470;1483710313;mircea_popescu;at what is it better, at making you feel part of maga ? 1597471;1483710342;mircea_popescu;the amd has dd3 2133 1597472;1483710365;mircea_popescu;whereas the i 4870 has ddr3 1600 1597473;1483710365;asciilifeform;i dun use ddr3 on hygienic boxes. 1597474;1483710372;asciilifeform;it rowhammers. 1597475;1483710392;mircea_popescu;so then wtf. 1597476;1483710400;mircea_popescu;"oh, it's better in this thing i dont use" 1597477;1483710408;asciilifeform;if you buy ddr3 you may as well stuff it full of 'xeon' 1597478;1483710418;asciilifeform;(a la dulap) 1597479;1483710418;mircea_popescu;well, you evidently have. 1597480;1483710453;asciilifeform;i realized that this is comical a while back and started building a new 'toilet' box , but it isn't done yet. 1597481;1483710464;asciilifeform;(behind schedule , behind 3 other things!) 1597482;1483710486;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. laptops, not serious computers, 2016 like 2006 like 1996. end of story already. 1597483;1483710500;asciilifeform;the crapple is ~impossible to do anything serious on. wtf, gdb 1597484;1483710565;asciilifeform;and yeah lappy is to actual comp as sapper's spade is to excavator. 1597485;1483710580;asciilifeform;but gotta compare to same-period comp. 1597486;1483710654;mircea_popescu;the amd is about 6 months OLDER than your intel. 1597487;1483710673;asciilifeform;in my case, 6 years 1597488;1483710707;mircea_popescu;i7 4870 was released mid 2014 ; the amd mid 2013 if memory serves. 1597489;1483710769;asciilifeform;2393 SE ( https://archive.is/4XXYQ ) circa 2009. so actually ~8 ! 1597490;1483710787;mircea_popescu;i thought you said... 1597491;1483710846;asciilifeform;ok to be perfectly clear, i compared 2 boxes, one -- the aforementioned crapple, one -- a 2x2393SE. 1597492;1483710890;mircea_popescu;ah. yes i guess 2016 apple laptop compares favourably to cheap-side 2009 desktop. 1597493;1483710918;mircea_popescu;as i somehow doubt you spent 2k to build that box in 2009. 1597494;1483710980;asciilifeform;funnily enough it was approx 2k of 2016-printolade's worth. 1597495;1483711031;mircea_popescu;i guess if you bought it when it came out the opteron was like 1k or some shit. 1597496;1483711031;asciilifeform;(must point out, though, opteron was not a cheap-side chip, and the mobo that ate it -- also was not, was top-of-the-line in amd world) 1597497;1483711052;mircea_popescu;so yeah, this was top of line in 2009. 1597498;1483711056;asciilifeform;i get'em used, because they are ~indestructible. but yes. 1597499;1483711099;mircea_popescu;neways. moral i guess being, stock up on above fxen, they're great and quite possibly the last good chip in human history. 1597500;1483711111;asciilifeform;if you run 1socket rigs -- them 1597501;1483711116;asciilifeform;otherwise -- opteron 1597502;1483711134;asciilifeform;(which happily lives in 'harem' of up to 32 iirc.) 1597503;1483711136;mircea_popescu;which ? 1597504;1483711148;asciilifeform;more or less any pre-2011 opteron. 1597505;1483711149;mircea_popescu;but yes, i was thinking for domestic desktop. 1597506;1483711155;mircea_popescu;say a name alfie. 1597507;1483711182;asciilifeform;the 2393se is the newest one i've personally tested. 1597508;1483711295;asciilifeform;incidentally this is a good small research project -- 'what was the last pre-fritzing opteron' 1597509;1483711536;mircea_popescu;aha 1597510;1483711553;mircea_popescu;slowly building the "tmsr hardware" thing. iirc there was another item also 1597511;1483711556;mircea_popescu;what was it, raid controller ? 1597512;1483711583;asciilifeform;i like 3ware. but it will also never win any speed contest. 1597513;1483711591;asciilifeform;(no sata3.) 1597514;1483711787;asciilifeform;while we're in cpuwank mode, 'The Intel Core i7-7700K is what happens when a chip company stops trying. The i7-7700K is the first desktop Intel chip in brave new post-"tick-tock" world—which means that instead of major improvements to architecture, process, and instructions per clock (IPC), we get slightly higher clock speeds and a way to decode DRM-laden 4K streaming video. Huzzah.' 1597515;1483711806;asciilifeform;( from arse tech, https://archive.is/tJyF6 ) 1597516;1483711869;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone is seriously proposing intel makes cpus. 1597517;1483711885;mircea_popescu;what next, cisco networking hardware ? 1597518;1483711898;asciilifeform;nobody's making cpus no moar. 1597519;1483711922;mircea_popescu;yeah amd went the way of gaddafi even as intel went the way of obama. 1597520;1483711936;asciilifeform;aha. old noose. 1597521;1483711993;mircea_popescu;and in butthurt today, http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/trump-inauguration-performers/ 1597522;1483712008;asciilifeform;lulzily enough i have a crate with the 7700k coming in today (to put in a heathentron), will see how it worx. 1597523;1483712014;mircea_popescu;"inauguration won't include yo yo ma, an obscure act trying to capitalize on random phrase spoken by cosmo kramer 20 years ago" 1597524;1483712120;asciilifeform;wasn't yoyoma 1 d00d ? cellist. 1597525;1483712129;asciilifeform;(iirc chinese?) 1597526;1483712148;mircea_popescu;we're discussing obama here. i assume it must be something akin to the man - stole a name, ran with it. 1597527;1483712162;mircea_popescu;i imagine beyonce + rap band was the menu, neh ? 1597528;1483712226;asciilifeform;'Mormon Tabernacle Choir... ... The group is based out of Salt Lake City, Utah, and dates back to the founding of the Mormon Church. ... It has some 360 members, but the decision to participate in Trump's Inauguration caused one member to leave. Jan Chamberlin said she was dropping out of the group and wrote on Facebook with reference to the inaugural performance: "I only know I could never 'throw roses to Hitler.' And I certainly co 1597529;1483712226;asciilifeform;uld never sing for him."' 1597530;1483712228;asciilifeform;lulzy. 1597531;1483712245;mircea_popescu;eh dorks with delusions of self importance. 1597532;1483712269;mircea_popescu;since when the fuck does the whore get to score the john. get up on the stage and flash the goods. 1597533;1483712394;trinque;these people wish the us could fart out a hitler to make them feel important enough to round up 1597534;1483712408;mircea_popescu;quite. 1597535;1483712557;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, schumer now crying over the "great victory" of "nuclear option" because guess what ? taking headcount to confirm from 60 to 51 mostly helps... trump. 1597536;1483712974;mircea_popescu;!~google joint task force for the national capital region 1597537;1483712975;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: About Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region: ; 58th Presidential Inauguration JTF -NCR: ; Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region - Wikipedia: 1597538;1483712979;mircea_popescu;lulz of all time. 1597539;1483713060;asciilifeform;'JFHQ-NCR operates within the scope of the law. It will not engage in direct law enforcement activities, but when requested by civil authorities and approved by the civilian leadership of DOD, it supports civil authorities in their public safety missions. Existence of a JFHQ enables better planning by all parties, to the benefit of the public.' 1597540;1483713075;asciilifeform;the mega-lul here is that this is a crock o'shit 1597541;1483713088;mircea_popescu;they had a whole "military operation planning" thingee with a map and errything, just like in the movies. 1597542;1483713106;mircea_popescu;those damned foreigners dun understand how the world works properly, desk fliers stuck doing it in garage. 1597543;1483713132;asciilifeform;per traditional u.s. law, 'posse comitatus' (19th c. prohibition on soldiers enforcing laws) does not apply in washington . 1597544;1483713136;asciilifeform;so they can do whateverses. 1597545;1483714973;mircea_popescu;https://web.archive.org/web/20041207225119/http://www.courttv.com/archive/legaldocs/government/packwood2.html << in other "can do whatevers", packwood, a 1980s powerhouse (singlehandedly fucked up clinton's own obamacare, among other highlights), chased out of senate because he may have kissed a girl at a party and stuff of that nature. 1597546;1483715012;mircea_popescu;rather curious how trump will navigate the dire straights of maga absolutely requiring a repeal of 20 years' worth of "harassment" business. 1597547;1483715117;mircea_popescu;to compare and contrast, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-16#1344279 1597548;1483715117;a111;Logged on 2015-12-16 11:27 punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html 1597549;1483715135;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: what was the reasoning behind http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles#L378 again? << this ties those files together to make it a "grab-bag" of a release ; bunch of previous discussions 1597550;1483716469;trinque;where are these people when Biden's kissing underage girls on camera in front of their parents ? 1597551;1483716480;trinque;actually, I suppose with them the "underage" is sop 1597552;1483716550;BingoBoingo;Per that one kink site http://www.returnofkings.com/111556/california-law-sb-1322-greenlights-child-prostitution-criminalizes-being-poor 1597553;1483716597;trinque;also loller at the private evidence; must've been a small dick pic 1597554;1483716608;trinque;slipped right in! 1597555;1483716702;trinque;BingoBoingo: iirc there was a thread about pedos becoming the next protected class 1597556;1483716851;shinohai; We must help spread clovergender awareness. 1597557;1483716867;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://blockchain.info/tx/d38bd67153d774a7dab80a055cb52571aa85f6cac8f35f936c4349ca308e6380 1597558;1483716881;*;asciilifeform tried to get ben_vulpes's thing to display this before linking, no dice 1597559;1483716958;trinque;ouch. 1597560;1483717278;mircea_popescu;block reward! 1597561;1483718128;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597510 << btw to briefly revisit thread: it would also be worthwhile to find ~what was the last mobo~ that ate these. 1597562;1483718128;a111;Logged on 2017-01-06 14:05 mircea_popescu: slowly building the "tmsr hardware" thing. iirc there was another item also 1597563;1483718132;asciilifeform;because current ones - won't 1597564;1483718143;asciilifeform;and the originals, are scarcer than the chips 1597565;1483718194;asciilifeform;('these' being my opterons or mircea_popescu's phenoms) 1597566;1483718259;mircea_popescu;piles of asusen will eat the phenoms. 1597567;1483718261;asciilifeform;!~google socket 1207 motherboard 1597568;1483718262;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Socket 1207 Motherboard | eBay: ; Socket F Computer Motherboard | eBay: ; Socket F Computer Motherboard for AMD | eBay: 1597569;1483718272;asciilifeform;ebay. bad sign. 1597570;1483718305;asciilifeform;but yeah, iirc it was strictly either tyan and asus, pick. 1597571;1483718307;asciilifeform;*or 1597572;1483719605;mircea_popescu;in other lulz http://akimg2.ask.fm/4b1/a6cac/da24/4cb1/b70d/57cea84b2f6d/normal/693913.jpg (brought to you by radu photography) 1597573;1483719694;asciilifeform;eggog! these people have clothes on!!111 1597574;1483719704;asciilifeform;what happened here. 1597575;1483719921;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597510 << http://68.media.tumblr.com/dfd33ca081cddd1164c8b724044779e6/tumblr_ojcv52ECNk1uu4f9zo1_500.jpg 1597576;1483719921;a111;Logged on 2017-01-06 14:05 mircea_popescu: slowly building the "tmsr hardware" thing. iirc there was another item also 1597577;1483720138;mircea_popescu;lmao 1597578;1483720155;mircea_popescu;check it out, dita von teese voted most likely to future. 1597579;1483720515;asciilifeform;in yet-other lulzies, just when i thought thing was dead, (0 updates since oct. 25 iirc), https://archive.is/GcmdK 1597580;1483720547;asciilifeform;'urbit is down tonight' 'curtis We were trying to subscribe urbit-meta to fora notifications, something very reasonable that we should have done a long time ago, and ended up producing a "presence storm." We'll fix it a little more carefully and methodically tomorrow -- or try, at least. :-) In the meantime, I've turned off all our major stars.' 1597581;1483720917;mircea_popescu;a... "presence storm" ? 1597582;1483720988;asciilifeform;i've nfi 1597583;1483720999;asciilifeform;would guess he meant 'slashdotting' 1597584;1483721073;asciilifeform;perhaps the wagner and cyanide can already be smelled in mr.mold-central. 1597585;1483721370;asciilifeform;i can already picture how october might have went: henchman: 'rumours that we are tards have been spreading for several years, what shall we do' mrmold: 'i know! let's MOVE THE FORUM' 1597586;1483721482;mircea_popescu;hey, worked for the hearnia. 1597587;1483721500;mircea_popescu;or no, wait. it might have not worked. but whatever, same difference. 1597588;1483721516;mircea_popescu;working, not working- what's important is what's inside. 1597589;1483721893;asciilifeform;in other scamz, https://archive.is/J2vI4 1597590;1483721909;asciilifeform;'While Kraken users watched the price drop, most of us could only watch in disbelief as our orders were not processed.' 1597591;1483722671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall who we quoted re the "where are all the 5000 rubensen" argument ? 1597592;1483722740;asciilifeform;i only remember mark tarver's 'disappearing mozarts' 1597593;1483722745;mircea_popescu;right 1597594;1483722766;asciilifeform;paulgraham was the one with 'where are the painters of current florence' 1597595;1483722766;mircea_popescu;ty 1597596;1483722779;asciilifeform;'has 100x the people, where are 100x the painters' 1597597;1483723337;mircea_popescu;im not quoting that scammer. 1597598;1483723385;asciilifeform;i've nfi which particular honest d00d he stole the observation from. 1597599;1483723439;mircea_popescu;i don't care. there's no need for each individual item to be discussed. guy exists today because of the yahoo marketing ponzi scheme pre 2001 bubble. nfi why he's not in jail, but it is a shameful macula on the usg "justice" system. 1597600;1483723538;asciilifeform;iirc he has a waterproof крыша 1597601;1483723547;mircea_popescu;evidently not so waterproof. 1597602;1483723567;asciilifeform;how not ? d00d's never, sadly , so much as smelled jail 1597603;1483723589;mircea_popescu;neither did hitler. lived rest of life in "bunker", very different. 1597604;1483723630;mircea_popescu;anyway, he's young enough. plenty of maga-time. 1597605;1483723672;asciilifeform;not so young, iirc his catamite officially runs entire show for couplea years now 1597606;1483723720;mircea_popescu;50something. the altman handpuppet is iirc stoya's age. 1597607;1483723731;mircea_popescu;of course, the woman vastly outperforms him, but whatevs. weirdos abound. 1597608;1483723821;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/NbEAj << in other lulz. 1597609;1483723822;asciilifeform;what in this case means 'outperforms' ? i have difficulty picturing how anything short of sea piracy might beat pg's roi -- he invests pocket change in 1,001 disposable kidz, and pockets (iirc) half of anything they happen to bring in -- while carrying 0 risk 1597610;1483723836;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stoya is a competent fucktoy. altman is not a competent anything. 1597611;1483723847;mircea_popescu;competence is the only criterion. 1597612;1483723964;asciilifeform;it isn't clear imho that he is ~incompetent~, either. the outcome depends largely on the grade of cattle coming into the meat processor, and how would he affect this? 1597613;1483723980;mircea_popescu;it doesn't matter. there's no "supposition of competence" for handpuppets. 1597614;1483724027;asciilifeform;this bulldozer doesn't really have controls, it just goes. 1597615;1483724073;asciilifeform;( i could be wrong about this, but yc seems to be quite the same chumpatron today as it was decade ago ) 1597616;1483724132;mircea_popescu;a decade ago there was some cursory but detectable ranking by sense. much more gimmicky today. 1597617;1483724133;asciilifeform;'Trump shows little respect for the Constitution, the Republic, or for human decency, and I fear for national security if he becomes our president.' 1597618;1483724135;asciilifeform;lulzy 1597619;1483724156;mircea_popescu;yeah, ye olde "sam altman is the repository of the human decency of being a trite fuckwit just like sam altman" 1597620;1483724160;asciilifeform;eh what sense. it always, from day 1, selected for pawnability-to-greater-fool 1597621;1483724182;mircea_popescu;yes but when greater fool went from being microsoft to being us fed, the standards relaxed. 1597622;1483724243;asciilifeform;!#s inqtel 1597623;1483724243;a111;3 results for "inqtel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=inqtel 1597624;1483724248;asciilifeform;!#s in-q-tel 1597625;1483724248;a111;8 results for "in-q-tel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=in-q-tel 1597626;1483724272;asciilifeform;^ cia's own ycombinator, decades old, is equally a circus, but makes imho for much more entertaining reading material (they fund wunderwaffenists) 1597627;1483724302;asciilifeform;e.g. the 'is somebody peeking at my display from behind my back' company 1597628;1483724310;mircea_popescu;plus the occasional actual item finds its way out of there. 1597629;1483724312;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/making-the-pussygrab-great-again/ << Trilema - Making the pussygrab great again ? 1597630;1483724325;asciilifeform;aha, the shaped magnet escaped 1597631;1483724336;asciilifeform;( anybody here buy one ? ) 1597632;1483724350;asciilifeform;imho that qualified as actual invention. 1597633;1483724359;mircea_popescu;i'm hard pressed to see anything in the "65bn" worth of vaporware that ycombinator counts for itself. they did what, a bunch of groupons/mediums ? ie, shareholder fraud of the cooked books version and shareholder fraud of the pie in the sky version ? 1597634;1483724370;asciilifeform;(macroscopic version of magnetic tape, hence bizarre mechanical properties without moving parts) 1597635;1483724378;mircea_popescu;aha. 1597636;1483724395;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you seen openai gym btw ? 1597637;1483724417;mircea_popescu;my only regret is that it's not written in javascript. 1597638;1483724435;asciilifeform;looks potentially interesting 1597639;1483724470;mircea_popescu;i fail to see this potential. looks entirely like "hey guise, let's agree on definition of ai that allows the pretense of sv technologee to survive a little longer plox " 1597640;1483724508;mircea_popescu;(ftr, the musk "friendly ai" thingee had NINE employees. to medium's 150.) 1597641;1483724521;asciilifeform;thiel 1597642;1483724535;mircea_popescu;iirc it was musk's 1597643;1483724538;asciilifeform;thiel. 1597644;1483724545;asciilifeform;musk is the rocket embezzler d00d 1597645;1483724547;mircea_popescu;!~google elon musk openai 1597646;1483724548;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: About OpenAI: ; OpenAI Blog: ; OpenAI - Wikipedia: 1597647;1483724554;mircea_popescu;ha-HA! ? 1597648;1483724559;asciilifeform;openai 1597649;1483724563;asciilifeform;'friendly ai' was thiel. 1597650;1483724568;mircea_popescu;this is it. 1597651;1483724573;asciilifeform;entirely different cup o'liquishit 1597652;1483724574;mircea_popescu;!~google peter thiel openai 1597653;1483724575;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: OpenAI Blog: ; About OpenAI: ; Elon Musk And Peter Thiel Launch OpenAI , A Non-Profit Artificial ...: 1597654;1483724582;mircea_popescu;im telling you it's the same one 1597655;1483724714;asciilifeform;https://intelligence.org << the original thiel/yudkowsky scamatron 1597656;1483724723;asciilifeform;this openai thing, is, i suppose, a parallel production 1597657;1483724736;mircea_popescu;o hey check it out, rats merged ? 1597658;1483724747;asciilifeform;with more 'commercial' angle ('miri', aka 'singularity institute', and half dozen other names iirc) was more 'academia'-flavoured. 1597659;1483724749;mircea_popescu;or did yuko merely get cast off 1597660;1483724758;asciilifeform;nope, they both appear to still function. 1597661;1483724783;mircea_popescu;https://intelligence.org/2015/12/11/openai-and-other-news/ 1597662;1483724813;asciilifeform;Cambridge Centre for the Study of Existential Risk << lol!! 1597663;1483724827;mircea_popescu;this is readily the more promising lulzatron of the period. 1597664;1483724867;mircea_popescu;anyway. the note is somewhat sour. 1597665;1483726154;asciilifeform;in other noose, https://archive.is/Bgn3d << adlaiism spreads 1597666;1483726177;asciilifeform;'If the stories I'd heard were true, taking a tiny bit of it, a micro-dose, had the potential to make my workday more productive than ever.' << lulz 1597667;1483726544;asciilifeform;lel, urbit apparently dead enough that a new one is conjured up, https://blockstack.org/blog/funding-the-new-decentralized-internet 1597668;1483726571;asciilifeform;'The round of $4M was led by Union Square Ventures, with participation by Lux Capital, Naval Ravikant, Digital Currency Group, Compound, Version One, Kal Vepuri and Rising Tide.' << this buys, what, seven greyhound buses ? 1597669;1483726646;mircea_popescu;the new decentralized internet huh. 1597670;1483728225;ben_vulpes;what is "maga"? 1597671;1483728251;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'make america great again' 1597672;1483728262;ben_vulpes;o o 1597673;1483729303;ben_vulpes;what are the security risks of opening an ssh connection to a possibly hostile host? 1597674;1483729338;ben_vulpes;i understand some amount of "x is risky", but...specifics are scant so far 1597675;1483729414;mircea_popescu;that it crashes your ssh client, gains control of your box as the user that ran it, escalates it to root privilege, installs a rootkit that you can't take out without throwing out the mobo + hdd and disappears in a puff of smoke. 1597676;1483729418;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'best' case is if openssl is a heartbleeder 1597677;1483729421;asciilifeform;and what mircea_popescu said 1597678;1483729437;asciilifeform;but even failing this, diffiehellman gives the other side a sample from your rng. 1597679;1483729447;asciilifeform;which could prove problematic depending on how broken your system is 1597680;1483729477;asciilifeform;if you successfully connect, you give the other side a sample of your keystroke timings, which for some reason usg is obsessed with 1597681;1483729496;mircea_popescu;who the hell types into the ssh ? 1597682;1483729514;asciilifeform;what does mircea_popescu do with it ? only tunnel ? 1597683;1483729528;mircea_popescu;i feed it prepared lines. 1597684;1483729531;mircea_popescu;why would i type ? 1597685;1483729594;asciilifeform;standard ssh client transmits (yes) individual keys 1597686;1483729602;asciilifeform;so if you were to use it -- then. 1597687;1483729605;mircea_popescu;i know but why would you use the ssh client as a text editor 1597688;1483729766;ben_vulpes;k, ty 1597689;1483729771;asciilifeform;why would you go through life owning 1comp 1597690;1483729777;asciilifeform;i dunno. but plenty of folx apparently do. 1597691;1483729800;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: http://cascadianhacker.com/how-to-learn-programming/comment-page-1#comment-137 1597692;1483729904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'magical armor' link in your article is broken 1597693;1483730370;phf;"or you could ignore all of this stupid shit and buy a Masamune for 410USD plus the price of the hardware" 1597694;1483730434;ben_vulpes;phf: hm? 1597695;1483730451;asciilifeform;phf: recall stephenson's 'bottle shaker' 1597696;1483730495;asciilifeform;'Imagine a witch doctor in a society that doesn’t know how to make glass. A bottle washes up on the shore. It has amazing properties. He puts it on a stick and waves it around and convinces his fellows that he has got some of those amazing properties himself.' 1597697;1483730547;phf;oh oh, right, exactly. something about dat wording followed by familiar words was very amusing to me 1597698;1483730683;trinque;I dunno it's accurate to say the guy just grabbed something he found, but it's at the present impossible for me to evaluate how much code is g_l and how much found. 1597699;1483730731;trinque;at any rate, we are all currently using piles of found, called linux distributions 1597700;1483730786;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aty, fixt. 1597701;1483730805;asciilifeform;trinque: glass maker also ~finds~ sand, salt, etc 1597702;1483730901;mircea_popescu;i can't evaluate same ever ; after some cursory attempts to help the evaluation i'm resigned to let it evaluate itself. 1597703;1483730911;mircea_popescu;same either* 1597704;1483730919;*;ben_vulpes shakes feathered stick at sky, demands marvelous widget be brought 1597705;1483730932;*;trinque wonders why bottle is empty 1597706;1483730953;asciilifeform;i gotta say that i am entirely uninterested in theatrical/hollywood imitations of lispm 1597707;1483730975;asciilifeform;which is to say, any and all attempts at 'it OUTWARDLY worx!1111' without correspondingly aligned internals 1597708;1483730982;mircea_popescu;in other bottle news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/92ca59abba19da3ab9de9e5341c07250/tumblr_n8cwr0PqdI1snitl1o7_1280.jpg 1597709;1483731016;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what is even happening in there 1597710;1483731036;mircea_popescu;something something battlestarship something something new decentralized something intertwat. 1597711;1483731065;mircea_popescu;you know, usual silicon valley. 1597712;1483731084;ben_vulpes;four hundred dollars is a pittance to pay for a documented common lisp ui development story 1597713;1483731098;asciilifeform;go, pay. 1597714;1483731107;ben_vulpes;even if it's a pile of shit g_l found and tar'd up. 1597715;1483731120;asciilifeform;i see ~0 public docs. 1597716;1483731123;mircea_popescu;i dunno why i was under the impression it was 210 + laptop. 1597717;1483731135;ben_vulpes;i will not write this theorem in cocoa, qt, wx, or any of the ilk. 1597718;1483731145;trinque;asciilifeform: we have all been railing on that fact to no avail 1597719;1483731155;trinque;can't play coy; display the fucking item 1597720;1483731900;asciilifeform;ftr i grunted through gabriel_laddel's www material and cringed, he quotes massive chunks from my www but shows no symptoms of having learned anything there 1597721;1483731947;asciilifeform;about, e.g., impedance mismatches in a comp system, or the failure of massive abstraction towers, or any of what i consider to be the basic observations 1597722;1483732057;ben_vulpes;give up, write everything in cpp and python, right? 1597723;1483732058;trinque;I think he would've been wiser to say "I wish to replace emacs with a CL environment" than "this is a step towards sane computing" or somesuch 1597724;1483732106;asciilifeform;if d00d worked on, e.g., climacs, and ditched the pretense of 'os design', he could theoretically come up with something worthwhile imho 1597725;1483732111;trinque;aha 1597726;1483732114;trinque;agree 100% 1597727;1483732161;trinque;I emphatically do not want anyone telling me how to run gentoo when I've been doing so myself almost as long as it has existed. 1597728;1483732166;asciilifeform;^ 1597729;1483732217;asciilifeform;gentoo could theoretically be improved -- but not by bolting a hacked-together cl layer ON TOP OF pythonic emerge 1597730;1483732270;trinque;the presence of e.g. network manager in the thing shows the lack of an eye for what constitutes cruft in gentooland 1597731;1483732346;trinque;that said the various CLIM explorers of the lisp system were ~rad~, integrated debugger etc, rad 1597732;1483732352;trinque;can certainly be more sanely framed as "finishing climacs" 1597733;1483732467;mircea_popescu;there's an impedance mismatch between description and labeling though. i expect my wine bottle to say "wine bottle" rather than the more accurate "dubious suspension of tanic acid salts in water" 1597734;1483732853;ben_vulpes;yeah, emerge, network managers, gui wrappers around os stuff is very uninteresting (but i suppose useful in the case of eg fs browser 'dired' and climacsy presentations). what i *want* is a lispy gui toolkit and i do not give one screaming fuck re "omg ancient athena widgets" 1597735;1483732960;trinque;one can make his own gadgets anyway 1597736;1483733036;ben_vulpes;it is the least interesting thing. 1597737;1483733049;ben_vulpes;can i slam other pngs in there? probably. great. 1597738;1483733999;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you think the work reduced to 'slam other pngs in there', you're in for a surprise. 1597739;1483734157;ben_vulpes;no, being glib. point is that gadgets can be made to look however. 1597740;1483734199;ben_vulpes;i'll refrain from further. 1597741;1483734359;asciilifeform;i'ma put clim on that i7-7700K (released yesterday!) for lulz. betcha it's still dog-slow. 1597742;1483734379;asciilifeform;and will be slow at 5GHz. 1597743;1483734506;trinque;asciilifeform: define a benchmark and I'll run right now. 1597744;1483734514;asciilifeform;the benchmark is 'i can feel delays' 1597745;1483734520;trinque;oh for fucks sake 1597746;1483734526;trinque;that's your own programming causing "delays" 1597747;1483734526;asciilifeform;no, i mean it. 1597748;1483734546;asciilifeform;if i can feel delay between pressing a button, clicking a control, etc. and things happening -- this is called dog-slow. 1597749;1483734552;asciilifeform;same reason microshit 'word' is slow. 1597750;1483734555;trinque;your own code determines when these things happen! 1597751;1483734558;mircea_popescu;trinque run mp hash for 512 bits on a day's worth of logs, report ? 1597752;1483734563;mircea_popescu;say, yest. 1597753;1483734588;asciilifeform;trinque: it was true of clim and i wrote not 1 letter of code. of the stock ui. last i saw. 1597754;1483734605;asciilifeform;of climacs likewise. 1597755;1483734642;asciilifeform;and this is before writing code. now make a gui widget that, e.g., scrolls through 100kB of text (light work even for 486, normally) and see what happens. 1597756;1483734653;asciilifeform;or, satan forbid, a clickable list of 100,001 objects. 1597757;1483734654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform interestingly, the only time i ever encountered such delays before was on ssh sessions. 1597758;1483734665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, on satellite 1597759;1483734673;mircea_popescu;bad connection generally. 1597760;1483734675;asciilifeform;or grunting through 3 nsa mitmators 1597761;1483734683;asciilifeform;or infrared laser at 9600 baud 1597762;1483734690;asciilifeform;plenty of slow links in the wild. 1597763;1483734749;trinque;mircea_popescu: the hash wouldn't slow anybody down because I'd be hashing in one thread, updating UI with results in another as they pop out 1597764;1483734779;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as ~algorithmically dog slow~ design 1597765;1483734782;asciilifeform;e.g. phuctor-1 1597766;1483734794;asciilifeform;where it is ~not~ a matter of 'all i gotta do is shave some cycles' 1597767;1483734812;trinque;we staring from a conclusion or are we doing a benchmark 1597768;1483734829;asciilifeform;i did the benchmark, in (iirc) 2010. 1597769;1483734834;asciilifeform;answer was 'feels like ms word' 1597770;1483734839;asciilifeform;was quite enough for me. 1597771;1483734856;trinque;this makes an argument eh? 1597772;1483734863;*;trinque to teh repl 1597773;1483734865;asciilifeform;what can i say, i'll happily test the new ver. 1597774;1483734869;asciilifeform;on i7 even. 1597775;1483734883;asciilifeform;but i ain't paying for the privilege of testing alpha. 1597776;1483734892;trinque;the way you jump around, man. 1597777;1483734912;*;trinque back with a benchmark 1597778;1483735915;asciilifeform;if trinque made a gadget that actually benchmarks ui delays (i.e. injects keystroke via keyboard port and times reaction on display) it'd be quite spiffy and i'd even buy it. 1597779;1483736779;mircea_popescu;trinque q was more as to how long it takes. 1597780;1483736791;mircea_popescu;ie, "how slow the stack is" 1597781;1483736831;mircea_popescu;alf's touchy-feely notions of "slow" aren't particularily interesting, but it would be worth noting if it takes 10x or 100x the cycles to deliver the same result. 1597782;1483736945;asciilifeform;it isn't about a fixed 10x or 100x, winblows-style, that would be fixable with iron 1597783;1483736957;asciilifeform;it's about geometric grinding to halt as the working set grows 1597784;1483736965;asciilifeform;(see the 100kB text example earlier) 1597785;1483736975;trinque;there is no example earlier 1597786;1483736982;mircea_popescu;hey, he said benchmark, i proposed a benchmark. lotta branching lotta iterations, some memory allocation. should be plenty obvious. 1597787;1483737002;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'll be benchmarking the underlying cltron, not clim, then 1597788;1483737006;asciilifeform;clim is a uitron 1597789;1483737009;mircea_popescu;the whole machine. 1597790;1483737012;mircea_popescu;but yes, whatever. 1597791;1483737032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your proposed benchmark wouldn't touch anything that can be described as clim 1597792;1483737051;*;trinque haxing a viewer for xev output for clim's own window 1597793;1483737056;mircea_popescu;gotta solve this dispute somehow. the correct somehow is to start bolting down parts. first we check this, then we can see if it's a matter of cl implementation is fine, ui is bad. 1597794;1483737093;trinque;then once had we can bog it down by also doing crunching in another thread and dumping output of teh hash to the scroll pane 1597795;1483737107;mircea_popescu;worx. 1597796;1483737125;mircea_popescu;but this discussion would definitely benefit from clear domain definition and numeric measurements, as trinque well points out. 1597797;1483737143;asciilifeform;it ~is~ possible to measure keyboard/mouse-to-display-loop delay. 1597798;1483737150;asciilifeform;just needs small physical tool. 1597799;1483737164;trinque;xev output is fine for this purpose. 1597800;1483737166;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am somewhat unsurprised the immediate reaction is to take the matter outside of the computer. 1597801;1483737174;mircea_popescu;supposedly it'll also need small soul eventually. aanyway. 1597802;1483737186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well as i understood criticism from trinque was 'stop measuring with your arse, gotta have objective metric' 1597803;1483737191;asciilifeform;which is entirely fair point 1597804;1483737193;trinque;lel 1597805;1483737216;mircea_popescu;hopefully lasers are involved. 1597806;1483737220;trinque;I will be happy to continue this discussion as comments in my blog in near future 1597807;1483737226;mircea_popescu;works. 1597808;1483738423;ben_vulpes;imma sit here mashing refresh on trinque.org 1597809;1483738881;mircea_popescu;put it in teh rss. 1597810;1483739492;mircea_popescu;in random lulz : apparently at some point in the 80s, dec has 1200 people working on porting x to ultrix/vms 1597811;1483739645;*;asciilifeform blows dust off box with openvms 1597812;1483739658;asciilifeform;easy to forget, that it existed 1597813;1483739667;asciilifeform;but in some ways was interesting 1597814;1483739676;asciilifeform;in the 'unix is not the only possible design' sense 1597815;1483739705;asciilifeform;https://vmssoftware.com/products.html << i shit thee not, STILL MAINTAINED today 1597816;1483739710;mircea_popescu;meanwhile xfree86.org LOST its 2003 pipermail archive 1597817;1483739712;mircea_popescu;holy hell... 1597818;1483739716;asciilifeform;(spun off, apparently, out of compaq, but...) 1597819;1483739721;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you have copies ? 1597820;1483739728;asciilifeform;of pipermail ? 1597821;1483739730;asciilifeform;dun think so 1597822;1483739743;mircea_popescu;www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/2003-March/001997.html 1597823;1483739748;asciilifeform;maybe mod6 does 1597824;1483739749;mircea_popescu;the keith packard drama 1597825;1483739799;asciilifeform;lost, apparently, in 2014. 1597826;1483739802;asciilifeform;http://web.archive.org/web/20141109130658/http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/2003-March/001997.html << nsa has copy. 1597827;1483739823;asciilifeform;'It has been brought to the attention of the XFree86 Core Team that one of its members, Keith Packard, has been actively (but privately) seeking out support for a fork of XFree86 that would be led by himself. He is also in the process of forming a by-invitation-only group of vested interests to discuss privately concerns he has about XFree86 and the future of X. He has consistently refused to even disclose these concerns within the 1597828;1483739823;asciilifeform; context of the XFree86 Core Team, which makes his membership of that team unviable. As a consequence, Keith Packard is no longer a member of the XFree86 Core Team.' 1597829;1483739908;mircea_popescu;fucking archive.org 1597830;1483739948;mircea_popescu;srsly, 2.5mn dollars is a fraction of what they want ? 1597831;1483739967;asciilifeform;'Compare OpenVMS' security vulnerability record against other operating systems at CVE Details .... http://www.cvedetails.com/product/4990/HP-Openvms.html?vendor_id=10' vs ' linux: http://www.cvedetails.com/product/47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.html?vendor_id=33 ' 1597832;1483739968;asciilifeform;lulzy 1597833;1483740004;mircea_popescu;https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/2003-April/003016.html 1597834;1483740009;mircea_popescu;https://web.archive.org/web/*//www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/2003-March/002165.html 1597835;1483740011;mircea_popescu;in other lulz 1597836;1483740113;asciilifeform;( trinque may find the db in vms interesting ) 1597837;1483740137;mircea_popescu;the idiotic ustard discursive posturing was intolerable even cca 2003. "Persistent problems in XFree86 development have become widely recognised within the X community. I have talked to people throughout the X community in a search for solutions." check out the utter nigger talk. 1597838;1483740154;asciilifeform;komyoonity awareness raising!111 1597839;1483740190;mircea_popescu;textbook example. first off, "insufficient diversity" 1597840;1483740361;asciilifeform;this, yes, but whatevers, d00d wanted own fork -- why not, he can have own fork 1597841;1483740369;mircea_popescu;"In 2011, O'Reilly awarded an open source award to Packard, as "the person behind most of the improvements made on the open source desktop in the last ten years at least."" 1597842;1483740376;mircea_popescu;"own". 1597843;1483740377;asciilifeform;that anyone followed him in that direction - is not a credit to these anyones 1597844;1483740406;asciilifeform;recall the libreboot idiocy. or the however many attempts to oust linus t. 1597845;1483740429;asciilifeform;if project crumbles when squeezed in this way -- 'mandate of heaven was already shaky' 1597846;1483740433;mircea_popescu;this, ftr, is how x.org was born (of which guy is now lead, and which is as dead as we all recall) 1597847;1483740444;asciilifeform;well yes. 1597848;1483740456;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-21#1412639 refpoint 1597849;1483740456;a111;Logged on 2016-02-21 21:51 mircea_popescu: x.org just recently lost their only asset because of inept "non profit" shenanigans. 1597850;1483740477;mircea_popescu;and guess who became a "debian developer" right after. 1597851;1483740489;mircea_popescu;then intel. 1597852;1483740504;asciilifeform;'The 'fetchmail' project has contributions from over 800 developers. Over the last two years there were about 250 contributors to XFree86, a project more than a hundred times larger.' 1597853;1483740513;asciilifeform;ohnoez, insufficiently many fly eyes!!! 1597854;1483740562;mircea_popescu;should be studied in school ffs. mike harris of redhat complained to packard that these people weren't sufficiently o'reillyed. gotta color revolution!!1 1597855;1483740572;mircea_popescu;then create a new ukraine for them, which then entirely bankrupt in a decade. 1597856;1483740581;mircea_popescu;but hey, wikipedia says "the successful x.org" so it must be so. 1597857;1483740612;asciilifeform;i'd be curious to see if original could be revved up on any recent box 1597858;1483740621;asciilifeform;(or at the very least, what it'd take) 1597859;1483740641;mircea_popescu;2003 gfx software ? seems unlikely. 1597860;1483740663;asciilifeform;eh the (few working) open driverz could be ported. 1597861;1483740691;mircea_popescu;rather than port extant drivers to a twice defunct pile of code made by mit i'd rather paint tits on a boar. 1597862;1483740697;asciilifeform;'The KDE and Gnome projects were forced to form the freedesktop.org project to extend and enhance X Window System standards because XFree86 refused even to participate in the process.' << this is lulzily reminiscent of naggum's opponents and their 'we MUST MODERNIZE cl despite the HIDEBOUND standards committee refusing to consider our crackpotteries' 1597863;1483740749;mircea_popescu;it is also eerily reminiscent of "political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single" 1597864;1483740752;mircea_popescu;etc etc. 1597865;1483740759;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it had been, say, ~considerably~ smaller a la systemv's cat command (old thread), it'd be at least worth contemplating. but yes, it was a tall pile of shit even in 1993 1597866;1483740794;mircea_popescu;it is not. 1597867;1483740828;asciilifeform;'There is no information available on the XFree86 home page on becoming an XFree86 developer. Information for new developers consists of the mention of a couple of mailing list addresses in the README document included in the XFree86 4.3 release.' << picture how d00d would react to meeting trb 1597868;1483740843;mircea_popescu;oh, i'm sure. 1597869;1483740856;asciilifeform;we dun have any 'information available' on how rando sea cucumber can BECOME DEVELOPER !11ohnoez 1597870;1483740856;mircea_popescu;https://web.archive.org/web/20101224183912/http://xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/2003-March/002286.html << 6/10 lulz. 1597871;1483740913;asciilifeform;^ what happened to this one 1597872;1483740916;asciilifeform;murphey 1597873;1483740921;asciilifeform;evaporated? 1597874;1483740975;mircea_popescu;rich murphey ? he didn't get "hired" by intel from redhat and didn't get to work on debian and didn't get invited by oreilly to eat rubber chicken so he doesn't exist as per wikipedia. 1597875;1483740983;mircea_popescu;dopes ok as computer forensics consultant. 1597876;1483740996;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/sears-selling-craftsman-brand-to-stanley-black-decker/ << Qntra - Sears Selling Craftsman Brand To Stanley Black & Decker 1597877;1483741013;BingoBoingo;adlai though he "dopes ok" 1597878;1483741024;*;asciilifeform proud member of the entirely inhomogeneous nonfraternal nonorganization of folx who do fine without Existing on Pediwikia 1597879;1483741062;mircea_popescu;the "us vs them" thing is very evidently manifest. it also happened to work for them a lot better back in 2000, when they owned the de facto currency. 1597880;1483741187;asciilifeform;hijackings like xorg, debian, etc ran on the fumes remaining in what was once a very tall tank of respectability cachet of academia, american heavy industry, etc. 1597881;1483741191;asciilifeform;the fumes -- run out. 1597882;1483741226;mircea_popescu;which brings the point full circle : relinquishing ANY degree of control over the currency back to the niggers will result in an exact rehash of the boom/bust cycle of cs development that has ensured 0 useful anything came out of three generations of developers by now. 1597883;1483741232;mircea_popescu;there shall be no bitcoin regulation. ever. 1597884;1483741255;asciilifeform;whole point of bitcoin is to bugspray them vermin neh 1597885;1483741264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they have very systematically hijacked and buried in the desert things. linux/gcc is just the latest pass. 1597886;1483741294;asciilifeform;usenet, most famously 1597887;1483741336;asciilifeform;was presented as 'unfortunate accident' and astonishing number of supposedly 'thinking' people ate it up. 1597888;1483741374;mircea_popescu;because "intellectuals" have utterly no shame. if their guzzling of piss is not stated in plain terms, they will get together and pretend otherwise. 1597889;1483741409;asciilifeform;i dunno what is 'intellectual' about packard, poettering, the leah-whatever dope of libreboot, gavin, et al 1597890;1483741412;mircea_popescu;mentally at the age of 14, when they got together in the schoolyard to recount various summertime conquests under the velvety protection of nobody calling anyone out on anything ever. 1597891;1483741421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't mean the niggers. i mean the others. 1597892;1483741437;mircea_popescu;taleb will, with all the panache of a dedicated goat fucker, publish items on medium.com 1597893;1483741455;mircea_popescu;it is, literally, more respectable a use of his time to upload homemade goat porn to 4chan 1597894;1483741456;asciilifeform;there is a very large herd of 'just want-to' piglets who, yes, end in the meat yards every time and very surprised 1597895;1483741464;mircea_popescu;intellectuals have no shame. 1597896;1483741502;mircea_popescu;they are trained to pursue their intellectual preoccupations at the expense of "everything else", which is fine for as long as it's the fat on their belly, but is not fine once they start chiseling away the spine. 1597897;1483741548;asciilifeform;there is this. but i also have difficulty picturing taleb sweating over apache config etc. 1597898;1483741600;asciilifeform;he probably has same attitude re subj as mircea_popescu re flying airplanes. 1597899;1483741608;asciilifeform;'i wouldn't do the work if it fellated' 1597900;1483741610;mircea_popescu;until and unless someone comes up and tells them to stop pissing the bed, they will sit in the urine soaked mess while pretending entirely satisfactorily to their own lights that "it's just one of those things", and supposedly never realising the name for the situatio nis "wallowing in piss" 1597901;1483741622;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would he have to fuck with apache config ? 1597902;1483741639;asciilifeform;to set up proper box, 'mp-wp', etc. ? 1597903;1483741658;asciilifeform;instead of tumblr/lj/medium/turd-of-the-day 1597904;1483741659;mircea_popescu;dude who's talking of proper box. he can set up a fucking livejournal for all anyone cares. a myspace profile 1597905;1483741662;mircea_popescu;but no. idiot has to medium. 1597906;1483741670;asciilifeform;waitasec how do these differ 1597907;1483741687;asciilifeform;iirc medium is simply latest iteration of the tired old idiocy 1597908;1483741704;mircea_popescu;were you here for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596429 ? 1597909;1483741704;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 22:46 ben_vulpes: https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.8gsm40qwc << "we have no fucking idea how to make money from livejournal in 2017, but that's not going to stop us from lighting our investor's capital on fire and warming ourselves in front of it while lamenting the capitalist system!" 1597910;1483741717;mircea_popescu;no dude, it's not a discussion of technology omfg. it's a discussion of politics. 1597911;1483741729;asciilifeform;i was, refrained from clicking, links on that www tend to be tiresome crud 1597912;1483741729;mircea_popescu;"but what if he was at leningrad siege, he fired tired old mauser!" 1597913;1483741733;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what he fired. 1597914;1483741760;asciilifeform;'Ваше слово, товарищ маузер!' 1597915;1483741836;mircea_popescu;is this a maiakovski reference ? 1597916;1483741855;asciilifeform;aha, mega-lulclassic 1597917;1483741889;asciilifeform;'I’ll start with the hard part: As of today, we are reducing our team by about one third — eliminating 50 jobs, mostly in sales, support, and other business functions. ' << they SOLD SOMETHING?! 1597918;1483741890;asciilifeform;what?! 1597919;1483741908;mircea_popescu;exactly my comment. 1597920;1483741979;asciilifeform;'We decided we needed to take a different — and bolder — approach to this problem. We believe people who write and share ideas should be rewarded on their ability to enlighten and inform, not simply their ability to attract a few seconds of attention. ' << lel, ordinary spamatronics not enough, gotta also have http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594901 1597921;1483741979;a111;Logged on 2016-12-31 18:25 mircea_popescu: this apple, nsa, whatever, nobody gives a shit, but this "apple" is the empire's last hope, half-Alphabet-half-AAPL-half-contractors whatever it is. 1597922;1483741980;mircea_popescu;anyway, the xfree86 debacle is VERY fucking illustrative of how the "thinking" idiot acts. they "disbanded" once the monkey chorus got loud enough, so they don't have to deal with the idiots any longer. whoopdedoo, nice going. 1597923;1483742012;mircea_popescu;in the process, creating the perverse incentive structure for the monkey wail. i really can't fucking stand ustards already. 1597924;1483742019;mircea_popescu;and the more intelligent/technically skilled the worse it gets. 1597925;1483742091;mircea_popescu;constantly with this "wisdom" of fligh response, nothing's worth drying for, there's always going to be a virgin forest somewhere to run to. run to and... what ? 1597926;1483742092;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1597927;1483742124;mircea_popescu;and supposedly i should feel bad for them, right ? because look how the barbarians came and burned down all these nice guy's hard work. hurr. 1597928;1483742875;asciilifeform;torvalds showed that it is not only possible, but not even especially difficult to resist, but eventually he will exit the stage. and at that point poettering will probably end up 'ceo of linux' 1597929;1483742922;asciilifeform;(rather like what happened to openbsd -- d00d gets tired, 'eager young thing' steps up) 1597930;1483743254;mircea_popescu;i've not really been following openbsd. 1597931;1483743274;mircea_popescu;but yes, can't expect torvalds to forever. 1597932;1483743313;mircea_popescu;anyway, not especially difficult to resit at all, IF and ONLY IF one understands that the niggers aren't human. 1597933;1483743394;mircea_popescu;for as long as one entertains even faint delusions that who knows, packard is maybe a person too, that "coreboot" retarded, what's her name, is maybe human like we are, that gavin or hearn have mothers and fathers and children and smell roses rather than you know, dwelling in rats nests like the rats they are and come out of ootheca like any other kitchen cockroach - for as long as that delusion is even vaguely present it's n 1597934;1483743394;mircea_popescu;ot easy to resist. 1597935;1483743490;mircea_popescu;and yes it's trivial to smell the "marketing contributes to revenue - everyone else to costs" folk a mile away. but you have to WANT TO. 1597936;1483744470;ben_vulpes;pgAdmin 4 is a feature rich open source PostgreSQL client. It has support for almost every feature in PostgreSQL. The only downside is that the cross-plattform UI really doesn’t live up to the expectations of a native Mac app.Postico on the other hand, is a very modern Mac app. It’s made by the same people that maintain Postgres.app, and we think you’ll like it! 1597937;1483744492;ben_vulpes;yes i want fewer features and prettier widgets that fit in with my os aesthetic 1597938;1483744494;ben_vulpes;that is what i want 1597939;1483744496;ben_vulpes;every day 1597940;1483744498;ben_vulpes;when trying to get shit done 1597941;1483744627;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/what-ever-happened-to-baby-jane/ << Trilema - What Ever Happened To Baby Jane ? 1597942;1483746116;mircea_popescu;http://labs.openviewpartners.com/linkedin-pricing-strategy/#.WHAoLFJOm-I << in random lulz. the following elements are present : "experts" with nary a clue, expertise predicated entirely on context in a purely substance-free lacanian manner ; "controversy" in the sense of, wholly worthless item lost some of the arbitrary "value" it never had, what could be the possible "explanations" that nevertheless avoid stating the obviou 1597943;1483746117;mircea_popescu;s "linkedin has no value". 1597944;1483747406;ben_vulpes;LinkedIn’s major asset is its 414 million users and the economic graph it drawws 1597945;1483747579;phf;there's a set of hoops that one can jump through in order to delete own linkedin account, and then they still resurrect it every time they update their privacy policy or when the moon is just right. "414 million users" 1597946;1483748621;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/jwilm/alacritty 1597947;1483748631;ben_vulpes;> To install the correct compiler, run: 1597948;1483748640;ben_vulpes;the correct compiler! 1597949;1483749007;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tmzND/?raw=true 1597950;1483749025;phf;ben_vulpes: i was just looking at that thing. i like his definition of what "correctness" in case of terminal emulator is. "should be able to properly render modern terminal applications like tmux and vim. Glyphs should be rendered properly, and the proper glyphs should be displayed." 1597951;1483749270;pete_dushenski;https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/albums << cia maps hot off the press. 1597952;1483749369;phf;that's a nice ruler, reminds me of childhood https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/30245415043/in/album-72157674852500522/ 1597953;1483749458;pete_dushenski;i have one of those on my desk in front of me, as it happens. ratios between 100:1 and 500:1. 1597954;1483749834;phf;huh, all the precision tools are made in germany. i guess cia doesn't need to do the whole "proud owner of made in ussa!" thing 1597955;1483749891;*;pete_dushenski checks make of 'PiCoDesign' ruler, sees 'Germany' 1597956;1483750015;pete_dushenski;"More from our just released distributional national accounts. For the median working-age man in the US, zero labor income growth since 1962." https://twitter.com/gabriel_zucman/status/806599154357194758 1597957;1483750131;pete_dushenski;gotta love the implied values of the colour of those dots on that linked graph : pink for women, black for 'other adults', light gray for men. 1597958;1483750260;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1597952 << meetoo!! the drafting implements & logarithmic rulers esp. 1597959;1483750260;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 00:36 phf: that's a nice ruler, reminds me of childhood https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/30245415043/in/album-72157674852500522/ 1597960;1483750325;asciilifeform;i still have some of my father's drafting toolz, they were taken by his father out of - supposedly - dead german, have nazi eagles on'em 1597961;1483750619;phf;presumably stored in an the country house attic between floorboards. i doubt he used nazi memorabilia at work. at least that's how we had a gewehr or a karabiner for a very long time. grandfather though it was appropriate to teach a tyke how to clean a gun with the only gun available in the dusty attic, because can't really use it or take it out or... 1597962;1483750628;shinohai;nifty asciilifeform 1597963;1483750769;asciilifeform;phf: believe or not -- used 1597964;1483750812;asciilifeform;we didn't have a karabin -- afaik! 1597965;1483750997;phf;huh, interesting. i can see that, i wonder if you need to be at a ведомственное скб or if it's the opposite, to get away with stuff like that 1597966;1483751669;asciilifeform;opposite 1597967;1483751723;asciilifeform;was in no sort of 1333333337 design bureau. mostly drew unsexy heavy industrial equipment. 1597968;1483751749;asciilifeform;0 rockets. 1597969;1483757928;mircea_popescu;phf every whorish ditz i ever knew has a linkedin account. 1597970;1483757935;mircea_popescu;most of them are, practically speaking, waitresses. 1597971;1483757967;mircea_popescu;slash advertising executives, design freelancers, executive consultants and whatnot. 1597972;1483760383;ben_vulpes;https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/7190344459/in/album-72157630223818672/ << thick, thick lols 1597973;1483760507;asciilifeform;btw this pompous style of painting is u.s. dod sop 1597974;1483760519;mircea_popescu;these lols are not all in one strand. 1597975;1483761523;asciilifeform;in other vintage lulz, http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/usa/img/myk78_large.jpg << the infamous 'clipper'. 1597976;1483761674;trinque;http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Shots-fired-at-airport-in-Ft-Lauderdale-409906945.html << Sources tell the news network that a man matching Santiago's description walked into the FBI office in Anchorage, Alaska two months ago and said the government was forcing him to watch ISIS videos. 1597977;1483761680;trinque;they're getting sloppier. 1597978;1483761885;trinque;"out of capacity, come back later" << from archive.is atm 1597979;1483762257;asciilifeform;i can't resist asking, what's trinque's picture of subj 1597980;1483762326;mod6;<+asciilifeform> maybe mod6 does << there are a number of different lists. 1597981;1483762332;mod6;http://marc.info/?l=xfree86-forum 1597982;1483762348;mod6;http://marc.info/?l=xfree86-devel 1597983;1483762358;mod6;http://marc.info/?l=xfree86 1597984;1483762366;mod6;these seem to go way back 1597985;1483762394;trinque;asciilifeform: ye olde brainwashing + some kind of aggression-inducing bath salts. 1597986;1483762405;mod6;first message i can see looks like september of 1997 1597987;1483762412;mod6;mircea_popescu: ^ 1597988;1483762456;trinque;or hell, "shoot or our snipers will blow your head off" 1597989;1483762477;trinque;with some promise of capture alive at the end 1597990;1483762502;trinque;threat towards family, lots of shit to motivate a guy. 1597991;1483762570;asciilifeform;other variations on the theme also work ('nutter' is given pistol with blanks, snipers -- do the actual crowd-plinking, say.) 1597992;1483763003;trinque;asciilifeform: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-suspect-had-visited-fbi-office-in-alaska-last-year/2017/01/06/d945b20a-d462-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html << state media is carrying the same "govt made me watch ISIS vids" story 1597993;1483763028;trinque;RU scare tactic didn't work so it's "enemies within" now? 1597994;1483763209;trinque;I can't put it past these idiots that they'd try a limited hangout on their impending 91 1597995;1483763394;asciilifeform;trinque: obummer presided over 4-5 of these every year of his term, snoar. 1597996;1483763612;asciilifeform;archive.is still dead. 1597997;1483763649;asciilifeform;that thing is probably our most comically-wtf singlepointoffailure. 1597998;1483763686;asciilifeform;run by wotless rando, could go down permanently tomorrow, or next week, or silently alter payloads, or, or. 1597999;1483763701;trinque;aha. much to do. 1598000;1483763875;asciilifeform;i will add that his facility was, iirc, the home of the ill-fated dulap-1. 1598001;1483763909;asciilifeform;'soooo asciilifeform revealed that phuctor-1 dun like unplugging, nao we'll unplug it nightly' 1598002;1483767493;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/rogue-one << CH - Rogue One 1598003;1483767823;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/weakened-kryders-law-kills-bit-company/ << Qntra - Weakened Kryder's "Law" kills Bit-company 1598004;1483767976;ben_vulpes;http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/?single=1 << "Moreover, we need not dismiss out of hand as totally parochial or mean-spirited the desire of Yankee Americans to maintain an ethnically and religiously homogeneous society nor the particular Protestant commitments to individualism and freedom that were brought into play." 1598005;1483767984;ben_vulpes;my how times have changed 1598006;1483768073;trinque;"the international bankers" in scare quotes. how quaint 1598007;1483768439;trinque;asciilifeform: thought wasn't that the shooting was the hangout, but the leak of "they made me watch ISIS vids" to press 1598008;1483768522;trinque;all the right rags trumpeted that detail rather quickly. 1598009;1483773135;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/07/introducing-prince-waterbath/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Introducing Prince Waterbath. 1598010;1483788753;mircea_popescu;nice find mod6 1598011;1483788816;mircea_popescu;trinque it's not "didn't work". in the economy of the narcissist mind lashing out at untouchable target never is about ~the target~. 1598012;1483788834;mircea_popescu;which is why stories about "the aliens" always have in clinical practice a little coda about one's father in law or w/e. 1598013;1483788890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, until someone deigns to rein in the html soup and implement one... 1598014;1483788916;mircea_popescu;(of course as far as the spec goes, the bot saves archive.is + base64 blobs of all pages, so there is that, as inconvenient as it is) 1598015;1483789003;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nice qntra. 1598016;1483790198;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2017/01/fuck-white-people-pack-of-native-chicagoans-torture-captive-white-boy/ << lmao. did they hate him because handicapped (utterly natural impulse, this, btw) or because trump won ? 1598017;1483790371;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes any chance of getting last articles and last comments on your sidebar ? 1598018;1483794290;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, https://archive.is/qhUdp (trump meets with conde nast, new york times can barely contain its desperate enthusiasm "see ? we are still relevant! mp was wrong!!11" 1598019;1483794574;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "In 2008, the three broadcast networks, in their nightly news programs, devoted over the entire year a total of three hours and 40 minutes to issues reporting (defined as independent coverage of election issues, not arising from candidate statements or debates). In 2016, that plummeted to a grand total of just 36 minutes." 1598020;1483794608;mircea_popescu;and that "entire year" is 365*24*60=525600 minutes ; NOT prime-time minutes. if you only count those, it's been 0. 1598021;1483794678;mircea_popescu;us state media managed to catch up with the usg's dept of human feeding's record : hamburger with meat ~70 ppm, news with meat ~70 ppm, it's all good and all the same. 1598022;1483794918;mircea_popescu;"Would it matter if the mainstream media did a better job? Or do we live in a post-truth age in which we are so distrusted that our investigations will be dismissed, if they are seen at all? I’m not sure, but we must at least try." 1598023;1483794919;mircea_popescu;epic. 1598024;1483794984;mircea_popescu;kristof can;t quite bring himself to say "everyone reads trilema anyway ; we're dogfood", gotta talk about facebook nonsense instead. 1598025;1483794989;mircea_popescu;must suck to be 57 and in the wrong boat. 1598026;1483795529;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/9H2mQ << and especially so after having been 42 and in the right one. 1598027;1483798704;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rH53s/?raw=true 1598028;1483798711;mircea_popescu;if too long say an' i'll trilema it instead. 1598029;1483799623;mircea_popescu;!!up netmonk 1598030;1483799623;deedbot;netmonk voiced for 30 minutes. 1598031;1483799731;netmonk;hello thank you mircea_popescu 1598032;1483799739;netmonk;and happy new years everyone 1598033;1483799759;mircea_popescu;sure. you kenny yu ? 1598034;1483799772;netmonk;no im not 1598035;1483799777;mircea_popescu;aite. 1598036;1483799808;netmonk;he is an impostor holding netmonk.com 1598037;1483799810;netmonk;:) 1598038;1483799818;mircea_popescu;ic. 1598039;1483799821;netmonk;i was netmonk long before him ! :) 1598040;1483799842;mircea_popescu;so what brings you in these here parts ? 1598041;1483800163;netmonk;the masochistic pleasure to read your prose :) 1598042;1483800170;mircea_popescu;lol i c 1598043;1483800181;mircea_popescu;well so !!register your key and have fun. 1598044;1483800189;netmonk;yeah 1598045;1483800196;netmonk;!!register 1598046;1483800197;deedbot;Import failed for netmonk. 1598047;1483800207;mircea_popescu;what did you say to it ? 1598048;1483800207;netmonk;gpg or btc ? 1598049;1483800214;netmonk;!!help register 1598050;1483800214;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1598051;1483800220;mircea_popescu;gpg 1598052;1483800236;netmonk;damn i need to find my smartcard :) 1598053;1483800247;netmonk;found 1598054;1483800261;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4266702410F18D010B594265172DA77CFDAC402DFB9D2953199D4D6DC8B9D690 1598055;1483800271;netmonk;isn't it linked to gribble ? 1598056;1483800279;netmonk;im already registed on it 1598057;1483800280;mircea_popescu;what's it ? 1598058;1483800288;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust netmonk 1598059;1483800288;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1598060;1483800289;netmonk;for #bitcoin-otc 1598061;1483800294;mircea_popescu;ah yes you are. 1598062;1483800327;mircea_popescu;!!rate netmonk 1 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598041 1598063;1483800327;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 14:42 netmonk: the masochistic pleasure to read your prose :) 1598064;1483800327;deedbot;netmonk is not registered in WoT. 1598065;1483800341;mircea_popescu;lmao trinque which is it ? 1598066;1483800356;trinque;!!key netmonk 1598067;1483800356;deedbot;No such key. 1598068;1483800360;mircea_popescu;netmonk if you registered with gribble after the split, you're not in there. 1598069;1483800361;trinque;that isn't registered 1598070;1483800365;mircea_popescu;trinque aha, it just returns 0 yeah. 1598071;1483800373;trinque;netmonk: it just wants your fingerprint without spaces after !!register 1598072;1483800378;mircea_popescu;is it possible to return "not registered" instead ? 1598073;1483800383;trinque;sure 1598074;1483800385;mircea_popescu;ty 1598075;1483800454;netmonk;!!register 0x15F6BC08DC5EC056 1598076;1483800457;deedbot;6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056 registered as netmonk. 1598077;1483800466;mircea_popescu;o.O that works even ? 1598078;1483800474;mircea_popescu;!!rate netmonk 1 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598041 1598079;1483800474;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 14:42 netmonk: the masochistic pleasure to read your prose :) 1598080;1483800476;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5fwGs/?raw=true 1598081;1483800515;mircea_popescu;!!v CCD39ED41E126F5F5B3C89DDD7BFBDA16580B41B9EBF480933B00E932DA04556 1598082;1483800516;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated netmonk 1 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598041 1598083;1483800528;trinque;yep if recv-key will take it, works. then there's the supply-via-paste method too. 1598084;1483800534;mircea_popescu;netmonk now you can !!up yourself. and how's the soul of the internet doing ? 1598085;1483800700;Framedragger;btw trinque i don't think my gpg key has all the associated ratings in your wot.deedbot.org wwwtron. but mebbe the latter isn't finished anyway, so i'm jumping ahead of myself :) 1598086;1483800716;netmonk;strange i cannot decode the message 1598087;1483800734;trinque;netmonk: might you have used the wrong key ID? 1598088;1483800740;mircea_popescu;lmao 1598089;1483800753;Framedragger;trinque: ( http://wot.deedbot.org/E2DF986D58A0D3876BA165FACC0510AAFD8AF4B7.html vs http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8iXWh/?raw=true ) 1598090;1483800760;trinque;Framedragger: I decided to eat a beach ball whaddayawant 1598091;1483800766;mircea_popescu;trinque how does it transform a short fp into the whole thing ? "15F6BC08DC5EC056" is insecure enough. 1598092;1483800768;trinque;jk, lemme set the thing to regen per hour 1598093;1483800781;trinque;mircea_popescu: however gpg does; I'm just passing it as argument to --recv-key 1598094;1483800786;Framedragger;amazing phraseologism 1598095;1483800801;mircea_popescu;tsk. how about disabling sub-fp search altogether. kock0gpg is evil. 1598096;1483800832;netmonk;master key 1598097;1483800892;netmonk;!!register 0x62F6E94CB8BEC891 1598098;1483800892;deedbot;netmonk is already registered. 1598099;1483800895;netmonk;arg 1598100;1483800896;trinque;that's not a fp 1598101;1483800908;netmonk;i gave my master key id instead of subkey encrypting 1598102;1483800939;netmonk;!!register 62F6E94CB8BEC891 1598103;1483800939;deedbot;netmonk is already registered. 1598104;1483800977;netmonk;erfg 1598105;1483801017;mircea_popescu;!!key mircea_popescu 1598106;1483801019;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.asc 1598107;1483801022;mircea_popescu;me too. 1598108;1483801036;trinque;mircea_popescu: is there a setting for that? otherwise gonna have to wait a bit 1598109;1483801064;mircea_popescu;in gpg you mean ? nah, and i wouldn't trust it anyway. ok to wait, it waited for a year before masochist guy found the rake in grass to step on 1598110;1483801078;trinque;lol 1598111;1483801129;trinque;would it be a terrible breach of ethics to help this guy re-register? 1598112;1483801144;mircea_popescu;nah, seeing how a) it's the first time and b) he's nobody anyway 1598113;1483801149;netmonk;:) 1598114;1483801169;mircea_popescu;re-registering a nick with ratings on it can't be done, but unrated they're all equally the same. 1598115;1483801171;netmonk;man i will have to load my master private key 1598116;1483801184;netmonk;wich is offline :( 1598117;1483801196;mircea_popescu;netmonk well alternatively you could also know what your policies are and follow them neh ? 1598118;1483801200;netmonk;why the bot didnt find the subkey used for encryption 1598119;1483801212;trinque;it used the key you told it. 1598120;1483801233;trinque;we're not much about "do what I mean" around heah 1598121;1483801252;netmonk;right 1598122;1483801268;trinque;netmonk: I've deleted your registration; feel free to re-reg when you have the right key in hand 1598123;1483801308;netmonk;thank you 1598124;1483801336;netmonk;!!register 0x62F6E94CB8BEC891 1598125;1483801338;deedbot;6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056 registered as netmonk. 1598126;1483801362;*;mircea_popescu will wait for self upping to rate. o wait, that doesn't work does it. A WELL!!1 1598127;1483801367;mircea_popescu;!!rate netmonk 1 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598041 1598128;1483801367;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 14:42 netmonk: the masochistic pleasure to read your prose :) 1598129;1483801369;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/SzgT8/?raw=true 1598130;1483801431;mircea_popescu;!!v 49495EEDAC84BA490E236AF5CB0A220CD691D7E9D665512F9FE7271B1F189AD9 1598131;1483801431;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated netmonk 1 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598041 1598132;1483801602;trinque;netmonk: send !!up to deedbot in a private message, then decrypt the response, and reply to deedbot with !!v 1598133;1483801665;mircea_popescu;this may be the least inclusive place in existence. imagine, trinque , the guy is long time linux sysadmin, specializes in assembly cycle shaving. 1598134;1483801716;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/594d569be7627987cbc14dcd32f451be/tumblr_o3x2e3puKD1ut5gyro1_1280.jpg 1598135;1483801881;mircea_popescu;but here's what i don't understand : the substring 62F6E94CB8BEC891 is not found within 6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056 ; and moreover http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598125 == http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598076 1598136;1483801881;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 15:02 deedbot: 6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056 registered as netmonk. 1598137;1483801881;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 14:47 deedbot: 6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056 registered as netmonk. 1598138;1483801881;trinque;not a bad sort algorithm. most intolerant of an obstacle remaining in his path gets in first. 1598139;1483801941;trinque;I have no evidence yet that using that key ID works, or what other heinous acts gpg undertakes when handed one 1598140;1483801949;trinque;which is why the docs told the guy to use his fp 1598141;1483801954;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1598142;1483802043;mircea_popescu;!!up netmonk 1598143;1483802043;deedbot;netmonk voiced for 30 minutes. 1598144;1483802049;asciilifeform;!!key netmonk 1598145;1483802050;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056.asc 1598146;1483802285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he has two moduli in there, one with shortfp of 0x83689A8469C299B1 , another -- 0x15F6BC08DC5EC056 . 1598147;1483802294;mircea_popescu;aha. 1598148;1483802314;asciilifeform;(this in re 'why not substring') 1598149;1483802346;mircea_popescu;no i know. the point being - insanity contradicts expectation. i'm not importing koch. 1598150;1483802386;mircea_popescu;and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage". 1598151;1483802405;*;mircea_popescu kind-of has a hankering to dick around with "ai", but no time to fuck with linux eigenstates. 1598152;1483802525;netmonk;hum 1598153;1483802608;mircea_popescu;what did you do, netmonk ! using md5 for hashing gb-sized packages was not bad enough, now you've done fucked your keythings! 1598154;1483802642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc somebody here had an eliza/shannonizer bot thing ready to fire 1598155;1483802645;mircea_popescu;visit #trilema for an hour, soak up shame to last many years! 1598156;1483802652;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ya but who 1598157;1483802656;netmonk;you see ! :) 1598158;1483802664;netmonk;im not much into gpg stuff 1598159;1483802667;netmonk;anyway ! :) 1598160;1483802700;mircea_popescu;that's like saying "i'm not much into clean linens". your personal taste in the matter is a relatively secondary concern. the primary thing is they don't let you inside oxford unless you wash. 1598161;1483802719;netmonk;well i too old for oxford 1598162;1483802730;mircea_popescu;it's not calvesford. 1598163;1483802737;netmonk;and i hope my bad reputation wont transfer to my child :) 1598164;1483802766;mircea_popescu;this monkery is a scam. 1598165;1483802787;netmonk;so buy fingerprint 1598166;1483802788;netmonk;do you mean 1598167;1483802798;netmonk;gpg --list-keys --fingerprint ? 1598168;1483802799;mircea_popescu;40 byte fingerprint, yes. 1598169;1483802830;netmonk;space included ? 1598170;1483802839;mircea_popescu;no. 1598171;1483802867;netmonk;and which one ? masterkey of encrypting subkey ? 1598172;1483802896;netmonk;s/of/or/ 1598173;1483802899;mircea_popescu;im not even sure what this difference is supposed to mean, but anyway. my own key uses the master and i've not had any problems, so there's that. 1598174;1483803008;netmonk;ok 1598175;1483803057;netmonk;;;register 6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056 1598176;1483803072;netmonk;this is my master key fingerprint 1598177;1483803082;mircea_popescu;!!key netmonk 1598178;1483803083;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056.asc 1598179;1483803087;mircea_popescu;alright then 1598180;1483803195;netmonk;lets try the otp then 1598181;1483803269;netmonk;!!up 1598182;1483803271;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/F0wVU/?raw=true 1598183;1483803292;trinque;netmonk: of course when not already voiced you'd have to do that in a private message to the bot 1598184;1483803324;netmonk;;;v 8C3DABE6E76AE5C4F3B0D4CF20FB3D0970BC3477AD728E353903F234B702E67E 1598185;1483803338;netmonk;trinque: understood 1598186;1483803369;netmonk;i least i was succesfull to decrypt the otp :) 1598187;1483803377;netmonk;so things seems to work so far, thank you ! 1598188;1483803425;mircea_popescu;netmonk !!v 1598189;1483803494;netmonk;!!v 8C3DABE6E76AE5C4F3B0D4CF20FB3D0970BC3477AD728E353903F234B702E67E 1598190;1483803494;deedbot;You are now voiced in #trilema 1598191;1483803501;mircea_popescu;wd. 1598192;1483803521;netmonk;seems to be good 1598193;1483803523;netmonk;:) 1598194;1483803525;trinque;netmonk: welcome 1598195;1483803525;netmonk;thank you 1598196;1483803526;mircea_popescu;now then, were you looking for stuff to do ? other than reading the log that is. 1598197;1483803532;netmonk;i will try to improve my gpg skills 1598198;1483803552;netmonk;well i still have all the backlog from one year ago to read 1598199;1483803559;mircea_popescu;aite. 1598200;1483803560;netmonk;when i was idling here 1598201;1483803568;netmonk;under another nick :) 1598202;1483803578;mircea_popescu;lol! 1598203;1483803594;netmonk;!!reputation netmonk 1598204;1483803594;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/aHmNo/?raw=true 1598205;1483803626;mircea_popescu;!#s plonky 1598206;1483803627;a111;35 results for "plonky", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=plonky 1598207;1483803749;netmonk;see :) 1598208;1483803771;netmonk;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hegemoOn 1598209;1483803777;netmonk;even mode with this one 1598210;1483803825;netmonk;danielpbarron still around :) 1598211;1483803837;netmonk;s/mode/more/ 1598212;1483803977;netmonk;mircea_popescu: do you have some work to propose ? 1598213;1483804067;mircea_popescu;there's both the profiling of large db indexes stored as ext4 or xfs ; and the implementing of the fabulous mp hash in asm and cycle counting it. 1598214;1483804171;mircea_popescu;and in bowling today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e508eb3b6a2d0c590f7e90354675603b/tumblr_o817i21evc1uifa4mo8_1280.jpg 1598215;1483804501;netmonk;mp for minimal perfect ? 1598216;1483804697;mircea_popescu;no, for my name. 1598217;1483804722;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ < this thing. 1598218;1483807319;netmonk;interesting 1598219;1483807334;netmonk;but not much time for that currently 1598220;1483807339;mircea_popescu;aite. 1598221;1483807357;netmonk;you listen reggae ? 1598222;1483807363;mircea_popescu;on occasion. 1598223;1483807382;netmonk;"aite" reminds me some jamaican slang 1598224;1483807394;mircea_popescu;it's what it is. 1598225;1483807404;netmonk;boomboclot 1598226;1483807408;mircea_popescu;i'm an utter linguistic slut, if it wasn't screamingly obvious. 1598227;1483807471;mod6;mornin' 1598228;1483807480;mircea_popescu;hola mod6 1598229;1483807501;mod6;hola mircea_popescu 1598230;1483807546;mod6;I like that MARC thing. seems useful. 1598231;1483807569;mircea_popescu;aha 1598232;1483807582;mod6;be neat to have a tmsr mirror of that; probably yuuuge tho. 1598233;1483807593;mircea_popescu;mostly text so can't be that huge. and yes. 1598234;1483807636;mircea_popescu;iirc it was made for a very tmsr-like reason - kde people wanted to save their mailing list 1598235;1483807664;mod6;yeah, seems like it. then they just kept adding other archives. very helpful. 1598236;1483807807;mircea_popescu;"First of all, we were then and continue to be impressed by MySQL, for its stability, performance, range of features, and price" << https://marc.info/?q=about 1598237;1483808034;mircea_popescu;and in other "competing with africa" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5d918039dab081143fd78f7b0e4e6b0b/tumblr_o2u4g9AyWj1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg 1598238;1483808675;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598017 << i too would like this very much! 1598239;1483808675;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 11:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes any chance of getting last articles and last comments on your sidebar ? 1598240;1483808693;ben_vulpes;but you must content yourself with http://cascadianhacker.com/comments/feed for now 1598241;1483808738;ben_vulpes;i'm one more 'undefined is not a function' away from moving to boring and raising cashmere goats 1598242;1483808772;ben_vulpes;fixing my wp template heinous though it definitely is is not anywhere near the top of my list of things to do 1598243;1483808868;ben_vulpes;aaand trilema down! a+, yahoo. 1598244;1483808870;ben_vulpes;er 1598245;1483808873;ben_vulpes;tumblr 1598246;1483808878;ben_vulpes;coffee nao 1598247;1483809610;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you probably know this but each post has an rss feed for its comments as well 1598248;1483809668;ben_vulpes;augh gabriel_laddel_p i'm formatting your comment into sanity 1598249;1483809672;ben_vulpes;plx to blockquote 1598250;1483810131;trinque;this shit where g_l is replying to me in your fucking blog 1598251;1483810155;trinque;I'm not using networkmanager; where's my lisp nic? 1598252;1483810178;asciilifeform;trinque: it's in yer gizmo2, lel. just gotta write the driver!111 1598253;1483810187;trinque;lel 1598254;1483810310;*;trinque must quote asciilifeform to g_l 1598255;1483810318;trinque;!#s hire cheapest 1598256;1483810318;a111;17 results for "hire cheapest", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hire%20cheapest 1598257;1483810328;ben_vulpes;do eet on muh blergh 1598258;1483810353;asciilifeform;trinque: eh he's a veeery speshul trainflake, managed to read (if one is to believe) my compleateworx, and learn 0 1598259;1483810412;trinque;ben_vulpes: I made the statement here, will wait for the day g_l shows up permanently and raises the thread 1598260;1483810422;trinque;this dancing about like he gets to define how the logs work is out 1598261;1483810458;ben_vulpes;i kid, i kid. 1598262;1483810472;asciilifeform;trinque: it's the national folkdance of 'i am young and GENYOOS and californian and hip and here comes me' 1598263;1483810683;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes thing is, i land on your page, i have no easy way of knowing what moves. 1598264;1483810685;asciilifeform;'Until I can buy a lisp nic, I'll be networkmanagering it up thank you very much.' << lel 1598265;1483810699;trinque;because there is nothing beneath! fucks sake 1598266;1483810706;trinque;can't just talk to wpa_supplicant no 1598267;1483810717;asciilifeform;trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives 1598268;1483810745;asciilifeform;(y'know, where i stuffed bootable linux kernel + userland + trb into 5MB with 0 drepperola or poetteringola) 1598269;1483810753;asciilifeform;on a godforsaken motherfucking toy arm. 1598270;1483810762;trinque;aha, or your or my gentoo recipes 1598271;1483810765;asciilifeform;or. 1598272;1483810873;asciilifeform;'Gentoo can PRACTICALLY be improved by slowly & surely eliminating it from Masamune. There are plenty of people who can, and have written lisp bootloaders. The only problem with this (and all related projects) is that they're incomplete, due to lacking a working lisp environment one can integrate with. People write code using the _stable_ abstractions at hand.' 1598273;1483810926;asciilifeform;you can tell here that gabriel_laddel either does not know, or care, what sort of herculean labour is involved in undoing years of design braindamage 1598274;1483810975;asciilifeform;how or why, for instance, it took most of a year to arrive at a 100% static and embeddable trb 1598275;1483810978;trinque;all I can say is, take part in the forum. it'll rid you of that american megalomania, or get rid of you, real quick. 1598276;1483810992;asciilifeform;but notice, he won't, like vampire avoids the sun 1598277;1483810998;mircea_popescu;wait, was trilema down !? 1598278;1483811003;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not afaik 1598279;1483811030;mircea_popescu;a ok 1598280;1483811095;asciilifeform;also gabriel_laddel inspired me to invent new type of aircraft propulsion system. take ordinary house, and SLOWLY & SURELY excavate a few km of earth from underneath it ! 1598281;1483811108;mircea_popescu;lol 1598282;1483811111;asciilifeform;who needs wings, engines, etc. 1598283;1483811131;mircea_popescu;alf's scathing is getting ever more acidic week by week. 1598284;1483811167;asciilifeform;eh i had more than the appropriate measure of sympathy for the poor bugger because laboured under the impression that he, fwiw, was a monster i had an indirect hand in creating 1598285;1483811175;asciilifeform;but all patience is finite. 1598286;1483811183;mircea_popescu;so ? 1598287;1483811201;mircea_popescu;this is ridoinculous, the paternal fallacy. "oh he sucks but i made him". doh ? do you do the same with code, also ? 1598288;1483811224;asciilifeform;it is ridiculous, and i swore it off. 1598289;1483811229;mircea_popescu;more sympathy by a large margin is owed to the things no one made, than to the suspected fruits of anyone's loins. 1598290;1483811351;asciilifeform;i dunno how mircea_popescu cuts the knot of distinguishing (say, among his pets) 'slow learner' from 'militant ignoramus' 1598291;1483811386;asciilifeform;afaik it is an open problem, and reduces to 'set knob to arbitary place you can live with' 1598292;1483811391;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm not entirely up to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is there any merit to the nude assertion that "lisp is a shittier thing than trb, because trb at least has SOMETHING that can be made into a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ? 1598293;1483811407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform death distinguishes. i literally beat them until they either die or reform. 1598294;1483811429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip. 1598295;1483811448;asciilifeform;published design, and not only design, but the mask generator (runs on, i shit thee not, itself, also) 1598296;1483811456;asciilifeform;it is slightly older than asciilifeform . 1598297;1483811461;mircea_popescu;so lisp exists, as a factual matter. 1598298;1483811475;asciilifeform;aha. 1598299;1483811496;mircea_popescu;(it is, believe it or not, entirely not evident from the activity of "lisp people" whether it does or does not exist, the object of their work/preoccupation.) 1598300;1483811525;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: clarify "what moves"? 1598301;1483811553;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in this century 'lisp people' tend to resemble holyromanempire's 'roman people' 1598302;1483811555;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "if ch approximates an immutable datastruct over the interval lastvisit - currentvisit". 1598303;1483811594;trinque;^ aka took me a minute to find g_l's reply to me 1598304;1483811596;mircea_popescu;in practice i come to understand now, after thousands of articles / years blogging, that in fact the frontend to a blog should really be as close to a... vdiff patch! as practicable. 1598305;1483811600;trinque;which was probably intentional on his part 1598306;1483811622;mircea_popescu;and let's pass in silence over the circumstance that i'd have never figured that out if i kept blogging by itself. 1598307;1483811660;asciilifeform;'At one point in time I reviewed ALL CL codebases.' << d00d read & fit-in-head all of macsyma ? i'd luv to see. 1598308;1483811687;ben_vulpes;smells rather strongly of "read" == "rolled eyeballs over" 1598309;1483811702;trinque;it could be said that insofar as the CL standard does not specify a machine, it is drastically incomplete 1598310;1483811732;trinque;and that lack leads directly to the present day diaspora, and the ghettos, on other systems 1598311;1483811782;mircea_popescu;the idea being c passively specifies the machine ? 1598312;1483811793;asciilifeform;considering that the standard was a product of a truce between competing lispm vendors, it is not mega-surprise. but trinque is right. 1598313;1483811805;trinque;mircea_popescu: indeed 1598314;1483811843;asciilifeform;trinque: c fails even at this, consider the atrocity of 'endianism', word sizes, and 101 other variations that break a c proggy 1598315;1483811851;mircea_popescu;yeah i was thinking... hm. 1598316;1483811863;mircea_popescu;it does not specify it in the sane sense. but his contention is not baseless. 1598317;1483811882;trinque;then the failure of outer specification makes the inner nigh meaningless 1598318;1483811919;asciilifeform;trinque: zetalisp (nonstandardized but exceptionally well-documented smbx lispm lisp) ~was~ specified from low-level machine model 1598319;1483811929;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598150 << i would be happy to stand a trinquebot up for you 1598320;1483811929;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 15:19 mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage". 1598321;1483811940;asciilifeform;trinque: it was an interesting document, at one point i linked it here 1598322;1483811944;ben_vulpes;trinque: any action on recording all message lines or is that a patch i should cook? 1598323;1483811953;trinque;please do if you like 1598324;1483811967;trinque;but lets discuss; I've got idears 1598325;1483811981;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what'd i script it in, lisp ? 1598326;1483811990;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: sql, lisp if you like 1598327;1483812004;mircea_popescu;great opportunity for me to learn / everyone to lol at my learning lisp! 1598328;1483812015;mircea_popescu;how much for a year's worth of hosting it + the occasional reboot ? 1598329;1483812046;ben_vulpes;ooh pricing exercises 1598330;1483812138;ben_vulpes;let's say 2 btc, and that'll cover the patch to record all protocol lines as well 1598331;1483812156;mircea_popescu;the patch to who ? 1598332;1483812164;ben_vulpes;the patch to the trinquebot 1598333;1483812172;mircea_popescu;yes but to ? 1598334;1483812201;ben_vulpes;currently trinquebot only logs vanilla messages in its channels 1598335;1483812215;mircea_popescu;and what are protocol lines ? 1598336;1483812220;ben_vulpes;not eg privmsg and action 1598337;1483812224;trinque;dunno if that's needed for this 1598338;1483812230;trinque;it does log privmsg 1598339;1483812237;ben_vulpes;ah that's right 1598340;1483812248;trinque;privmsg is used for both channel messages and pm 1598341;1483812264;trinque;what it doesn't log is every protocol line that goes to/fro; it logs parsed message lines only 1598342;1483812264;ben_vulpes;mhm. it's the ACTION lines that it doesn't catch. 1598343;1483812278;ben_vulpes;protocol lines include server banners etc 1598344;1483812279;mircea_popescu;ah. the way i was thinking this'd work would be : the bot answers to any lines where its name is mentioned ; and i can update its "brain" with a !^ url style command. whereby it replaces its "ai" code with the content of the file. 1598345;1483812280;trinque;well, doesn't parse. those are still privmsg iirc 1598346;1483812293;mircea_popescu;i've no interest in action and other such 1598347;1483812311;ben_vulpes;oh then it'd work for you as-is 1598348;1483812379;mircea_popescu;nice. so as an example, my first task would be to figure out how to instruct it to respond to messages only if there've been less than 12 lines spoken the past 15 minutes. that sort of thing. 1598349;1483812385;trinque;ben_vulpes: what I do need to do is release logbot-service.genesis 1598350;1483812396;mircea_popescu;subquestion : does teh esteemed lordship find itself inclined to tolerate the exercise ? 1598351;1483812401;trinque;and you'd extend that class for this 1598352;1483812413;ben_vulpes;trinque: aye 1598353;1483812432;asciilifeform;!#s popescutron 1598354;1483812433;a111;13 results for "popescutron", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=popescutron 1598355;1483812435;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'd rather read your experiments in lisp than php 1598356;1483812438;ben_vulpes;:D 1598357;1483812445;mircea_popescu;lol 1598358;1483812462;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah the idea is, bot will attempt to learn from conversation. with, eg, you. 1598359;1483812466;asciilifeform;i had this itch 2+ yrs ago but my evil plan was to make it simply eat the collected works of mircea_popescu rather than explicit rules 1598360;1483812486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, the sentiment is mutual - i want mine to eat you lot. 1598361;1483812502;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i mean to say "if it gets mircea_popescu to write and think in lisp its a worthwhile use of lines" 1598362;1483812516;asciilifeform;theoretically ought to work on anybody with large body of text. in practice, certain text works better than other 1598363;1483812528;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so therefore considering that you don't have to rewrite trinque's bot nor is a vps more than a few bux a month, dja got a counteroffer ? :D 1598364;1483812535;asciilifeform;(best if you have 'hooks', in this case infrequent words and phrases to latch onto) 1598365;1483812546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idea is not without merit ; but i was gonna try an interactive slut. 1598366;1483812551;asciilifeform;also neato 1598367;1483812565;mircea_popescu;best i can tell the two aren't blocking each other in any way. 1598368;1483812583;trinque;ben_vulpes: so sounds like we should still consider doing the patch for raw messages, such that we don't have to build this atop out-of-date logbot-service 1598369;1483812598;trinque;I can give it some time next week 1598370;1483812615;mircea_popescu;ill go harvesting parantheses in the meanwhile so i have a few stacks 1598371;1483812623;trinque;loller 1598372;1483812668;trinque;deploying other people's code into a logbot service sounds pretty UCI to me 1598373;1483812674;trinque;I like it. 1598374;1483812677;mircea_popescu;chipping that way 1598375;1483812715;*;trinque afk for a while 1598376;1483812725;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: counteroffer impending, rescuing dog food from child 1598377;1483812735;mircea_popescu;but... why 1598378;1483812739;mircea_popescu;gotta be cheaper than usual diet. 1598379;1483812763;ben_vulpes;nanners are pretty cheap 1598380;1483812828;mircea_popescu;this exercise promises in any case to be hopefully one of many in a new trend : $item for extremely intelligent people. 1598381;1483812842;mircea_popescu;enough with the "for idiots" bullshit. 1598382;1483812903;mircea_popescu;(i would like to thank the academy, the harem sluts, and phf / ben_vulpes discussions for inspiring me to come this far!) 1598383;1483812958;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598258 << you know those guys that periodically stop by lisper venues, and they don't really program, but they want to use LISP to build an AI, because metacircularity of code is data is giving them mystical visions..? 1598384;1483812958;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:32 asciilifeform: trinque: eh he's a veeery speshul trainflake, managed to read (if one is to believe) my compleateworx, and learn 0 1598385;1483812973;phf;presumably also read ~something~ 1598386;1483813012;asciilifeform;phf: probably hofstadter 1598387;1483813077;ben_vulpes;lol omfg rescue dog food from child, only to be blessed by cries of anger when dog takes banana from child 1598388;1483813084;ben_vulpes;trainflake nice missed that on the first pass 1598389;1483813085;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1598390;1483813125;mircea_popescu;you're really better off letting them sort out their food themselves. 1598391;1483813135;mircea_popescu;just provide kanana an bibbles qs. 1598392;1483813316;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings, the bulk of actual technology needed to recreate probably somewhere on a TAPE. i don't know where you got that mask generator runs on scheme83. the entire production stack was for mit cadr 1598393;1483813316;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip. 1598394;1483813331;asciilifeform;phf: yer wrong. i have whole thing in a 3ring here. 1598395;1483813343;mircea_popescu;blog it ? 1598396;1483813438;phf;are you talking about aim-514? 1598397;1483813485;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598383 << reminds me of how i first chanced upon lisp. i was eighteen, more pretentious than now, and had eaten my first hashcake half an hour ago. i was reading esr, jumped to topic of lisp and homoiconicity, and was like... d0000d. this is how you penetrate the universe. knowwhatimsayin. 1598398;1483813485;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 18:15 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598258 << you know those guys that periodically stop by lisper venues, and they don't really program, but they want to use LISP to build an AI, because metacircularity of code is data is giving them mystical visions..? 1598399;1483813487;Framedragger;luckily enough i realized i was on hash before i could quickly set up a blog in haskell and start writing stupid words about the singularity 1598400;1483813544;Framedragger;iirc same evening included me "really getting" dark side of the moon, "like really getting it you know?"; but eh, it was beautiful so can't complain. 1598401;1483813571;mircea_popescu;and speaking of canticle : anyone looking to write a sf piece in the a c clarke vein willing to model what'd happen if a lead comet the size of ceres showed up on a slow orbit ? at first, comet observed somewhere past kuipier belt, it's slow and dim. then, is it a comet or an asteroid ? then, measurements indicate it's much too dense. then, in timescales ever narrowing, its orbit turns out to be unsafe. then, as it collapses 1598402;1483813572;mircea_popescu;into the sun (which ideally should be done "safely", ie, perpendicular to planetary plane and away from earth-at-the-time, it... moderates it! so the sun cools. which is significant. story goes on. 1598403;1483813599;mircea_popescu;correctly modelling "what would happen to sun if chunk of lead hit it" is more of a "learn qm exercise" than most resources available. 1598404;1483813678;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i "really got it" coupla nights ago, out walking, splendid full moon with abendstar in opposition. and it was SO OBVIOUSLY a fucking planet, lit by the star in part that i really had nfi what people had been doing prior. it's fucking obvious omg! 1598405;1483813695;mircea_popescu;not like you can't SEE the whole sphere, and the dark part is dim but visible. 1598406;1483813752;phf;asciilifeform: because i have a paper by shrobe from 1982 vlsi conference (i could only find a hardcopy, been meaning to scan it), that explicitly says that data path generator was written for mit cadr, and that it opts the DPL code out of a gui environment. i haven't seen complete listing for DPL for the cpu either. 1598407;1483813833;ben_vulpes;in related occlusions: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f9c61a195d1bb7b6e3ed3a4dcc404f79/tumblr_ohozg1Qm4a1r6pbcio2_500.jpg 1598408;1483813867;mircea_popescu;the phase of the ovaries ? 1598409;1483813912;ben_vulpes;howl at the blood moon or something i have no iea 1598410;1483813919;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ah, that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and the dark side still being the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant the album but both work well in this instance..) :) 1598411;1483813961;mircea_popescu;incidentally, /me is not a great fan of tattoos, by which i mean the meaningless optional bs, not the actual tribal/prison stuff. however, from a purely aesthetic perspective, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the blocky ones (ie, the ones with large monocolor chunks) ? 1598412;1483814008;ben_vulpes;aside from bespeaking poverty of taste and pocket? 1598413;1483814015;mircea_popescu;right. 1598414;1483814072;phf;they always look like somebody laid paint too thick while painting a metal shed 1598415;1483814115;ben_vulpes;subject of painting metal sheds, i just discovered "papercrete" 1598416;1483814175;mircea_popescu;phf and the effect is especially negative when the girl overdoes the make-up lines, as some girls do. 1598417;1483814231;mircea_popescu;"hey, wanna see my tattoo ?" "o wow, it looks like you did it yourself!" 1598418;1483814286;ben_vulpes;but stick and poke is so hip 1598419;1483814332;ben_vulpes;i'm down for scarification, but only the high-entropy kind that comes of abrading self against road 1598420;1483814367;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you want your code to run on every new message? 1598421;1483814406;mircea_popescu;if it includes bot's name. 1598422;1483814454;cunnigonde;!#s cunnigonde 1598423;1483814454;a111;0 results for "cunnigonde", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cunnigonde 1598424;1483814459;cunnigonde;should be safe enough. 1598425;1483814741;asciilifeform;phf: i'ma get back re subj after digging through the dead trees 1598426;1483814848;phf;asciilifeform: kk 1598427;1483814944;Framedragger;unrelated: http://flashbak.com/yugoslavian-computer-magazine-cover-girls-of-the-1980s-90s-370271/ 1598428;1483815000;Framedragger;this one could be titled "the terror of the c machine" http://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Ra%C4%8Dunari-1993_03_001.jpg 1598429;1483815001;phf;because ultimately chip was manufactured out of DPL files (described in aim-598) the whole deflayout/defregtype/defconst thing. i haven't seen ~that~ published anywhere 1598430;1483815042;mircea_popescu;Framedragger pet plus! 1598431;1483815283;asciilifeform;phf: i excavated my binder and found the item you had just linked. where dpl is described in approx same level of detail as eurisko's 'rtl' was in the lenatleaks thing. but i am now beginning to suspect that it got 'symbolicsized', e.g., subsumed into the properties they licensed from mit 1598432;1483815290;asciilifeform;and remains buried in indiana jones vault. 1598433;1483815331;asciilifeform;also it would astonish me if the build process did NOT depend on having a working cadr around 1598434;1483815346;asciilifeform;as the scheme83 chip was never put into commercial production and afaik existed never more than in handful qty. 1598435;1483815387;phf;well, shrobe went on to work at smbx, and used the evolution of the same stack to make an ivory. i wouldn't be surprised that's where the licensing went 1598436;1483815434;asciilifeform;iirc one of the 'death of symbolics' treatises went on at length about the follow of them NOT having made any attempt to market their chip synthesis stack as a commercial offering 1598437;1483815434;phf;(he i think published another paper on the subject of making lisp cpus, but with smbx as his @) 1598438;1483815452;asciilifeform;i have that paper. it was ~2pgs and about as useful as their sales brochure. 1598439;1483815481;phf;right, i think i was going to source it for completeness, but never bothered because of abstract. 1598440;1483815504;asciilifeform;it was not a wholly bad read, had chip die porn etc. 1598441;1483815530;asciilifeform;incidentally did phf ever post any of his smbx finds ? 1598442;1483815567;phf;i have a second trip scheduled for second week of march to finish the process 1598443;1483815568;asciilifeform;*about the folly of them 1598444;1483815571;asciilifeform;phf: neato 1598445;1483815615;phf;i'm treating it as an avocation, so i'm resigned to glacier speeds that all these people require 1598446;1483815690;asciilifeform;phf: no rush, it is not as if we had a chip fab in which to make clones, or even particularly want to make clone (i have 0 interest in perpetuating 20 years of mit undergrad young cocklet crapolade code) 1598447;1483815715;phf;problem is that our man never really had the code (certainly no "rights" to code), since i think that the asset split went something like "you get the body and you get the soul", and the guy with the soul is keeping it in his garage to "turn into millions one day one i retire" sort of thing. 1598448;1483815716;asciilifeform;some details of the low level arch might be interesting though. 1598449;1483815737;asciilifeform;all i got, for the most part, is what is in the wall-o-deadtree manuals, and what i gleaned from reversing 'snap4' binary in ida. 1598450;1483815752;asciilifeform;having the physical 3620, was, interestingly enough, ~useless. 1598451;1483815788;asciilifeform;phf: and i'm pretty sure that mallery is an nsa asset. 1598452;1483815789;mircea_popescu;what the fuck does he want the millions for. 1598453;1483815794;mircea_popescu;don't tell me "to sit on them for later" 1598454;1483815812;asciilifeform;he's sitting on'em for massah. 1598455;1483815843;asciilifeform;(a good chunk of the logistics code in u.s. dod that actually ~works~ runs on smbx. TO THIS DAY.) 1598456;1483815900;asciilifeform;the other d00d, who asciilifeform and phf both met, is schmidt, and he's a salt-of-the-earth mechanic sort of fella 1598457;1483815901;asciilifeform;0 theory. 1598458;1483815932;asciilifeform;there is also a 3rd d00d, kalman reti, who i have not met nor know anyone who has 1598459;1483815938;asciilifeform;he's got the emulator src. 1598460;1483815981;asciilifeform;them 3, plus the 'customer' (handler) at fort somethingorother, makes all of modern-day symbolics corp. 1598461;1483815988;asciilifeform;afaik. 1598462;1483815996;phf;well, result of my work will be basically one step removed from useless :} no need for a logic analyzer, but still a gargantuan effort to make sense of architecture. smbx has opposite problem from scheme stack. there's the DPL, but there aren't any AIM-514 equivalents 1598463;1483816003;asciilifeform;at one point there was a probate judge involved also 1598464;1483816005;asciilifeform;but iirc that ended. 1598465;1483816051;asciilifeform;phf: i have indirect clues that there ~were~ docs, and superb ones at that 1598466;1483816056;asciilifeform;but all in indianajoneswarehouse nao. 1598467;1483816092;mircea_popescu;phf can you explain briefly and in short simple words management may be suspected of comprehending why do you think this is worth doing ? 1598468;1483816603;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: customization aside, .13 for a year of hosting and .17 for a year of support and reboots? 1598469;1483816616;mircea_popescu;it's yours. addy ? 1598470;1483816618;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/postcards-from-retardistan/ << Trilema - Postcards from Retardistan 1598471;1483816800;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/g5HjP/?raw=true 1598472;1483816838;ben_vulpes;i gotta do a food and battery run before these roads ice over, bbl 1598473;1483818598;netmonk;for how long am i voiced ? 1598474;1483818976;phf;netmonk: you've upped yourself at some point, you should be voiced indefinitely 1598475;1483819095;netmonk;got it 1598476;1483819243;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598276 < because my connection gets dropped. 1598477;1483819243;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:43 asciilifeform: but notice, he won't, like vampire avoids the sun 1598478;1483819281;gabriel_laddel_p;I was online ~everyday idk, ~2 years ago? 1598479;1483819289;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: get with Framedragger just fix it 1598480;1483819301;ben_vulpes;deeds not words 1598481;1483819306;gabriel_laddel_p;yeah that's never going to happen. 1598482;1483819318;ben_vulpes;pardon? 1598483;1483819331;gabriel_laddel_p;I'm never going to use his bouncer. 1598484;1483819338;gabriel_laddel_p;Talk to you in a few months then. 1598485;1483819382;phf;mircea_popescu: it gives me a way to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on a possiblity that i will be able to restart their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming to me and going "we want to build a personal computer that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want to be able to do it from first principles. at worst there's going to be some 1598486;1483819383;phf;historical record of some of the systems decisions symbolics made, that somebody else might use. 1598487;1483819427;Framedragger;whatyougonnado.jpg ; fwiw gabriel_laddel_p i'd lend you a vps for a month for free (i wouldn't have access to it) just so that you'd stop pissing people off, but your call of course 1598488;1483819432;mircea_popescu;so archeology, basically. 1598489;1483819459;netmonk;i can provide shell 1598490;1483819461;gabriel_laddel_p;Framedragger: thanks, but pass. I don't deal with computers I cannot physically touch. 1598491;1483819464;netmonk;for 0.2 btc/y 1598492;1483819471;mircea_popescu;:) 1598493;1483819480;phf;basically :p 1598494;1483819488;netmonk;on freebsd 1598495;1483819494;Framedragger;admirable approach, but not very pragmatic. then again, pragmatic things can lead to bad places, too... 1598496;1483819519;netmonk;gabriel_laddel_p: you can touch the server if you can fly to paris 1598497;1483819522;Framedragger;(i don't really see why you'd have to trust this intermediary node, though) 1598498;1483819527;netmonk;and access dc3 equinix datacenter 1598499;1483819564;ben_vulpes;confuse ye not the promiscuous devices with the chaste devices or what was it 1598500;1483819603;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598267 < Thanks for reminding me. I don't trb, so went looking for them last time I was working on the LiveUSB, failed to find them and then continued working using the strategy I was prior. 1598501;1483819603;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:38 asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives 1598502;1483819673;ben_vulpes;well having failed to extract the battery from the dead car i must now do the aforementioned food run but also to get a 10mm deep socket 1598503;1483819685;davout;win 1598504;1483819699;ben_vulpes;hola davout 1598505;1483819717;davout;bonjour! 1598506;1483819741;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598485 << fwiw it is exactly why i was doing it, likewise. 1598507;1483819741;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 20:03 phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me a way to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on a possiblity that i will be able to restart their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming to me and going "we want to build a personal computer that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want to be able to do it from first principles. at worst there's going to be some 1598508;1483819757;asciilifeform;medieval-style preservation. 1598509;1483819801;netmonk;and for 0.3 more i can provide openvpn 1598510;1483819817;phf;i think we should draw a line at illuminated schematics though 1598511;1483819826;asciilifeform;lolk 1598512;1483819835;asciilifeform;atm i'd settle for ~any~ useful schematics.. 1598513;1483819841;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598292 < this is _the_ problem in the lisp world. Each and every lisper painfully recreates a sorta-similar environment over the course of years. 1598514;1483819841;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely up to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is there any merit to the nude assertion that "lisp is a shittier thing than trb, because trb at least has SOMETHING that can be made into a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ? 1598515;1483819868;asciilifeform;phf: i also have some dead smbx 'xl' boards i got to decap & photo dies, but also never did it, and probably won't live long enough 1598516;1483819898;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: for so long as the x86 idiocy persists, this will remain. 1598517;1483819933;gabriel_laddel_p;No? Because now Masamune exists and we can begin to address the other issues (such as x86) like adults? 1598518;1483820004;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: did you ever get it to the point where it installs on hdd ? 1598519;1483820029;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: no 1598520;1483820035;gabriel_laddel_p;all installs are done by hand 1598521;1483820042;asciilifeform;uh 1598522;1483820045;asciilifeform;ok... 1598523;1483820116;gabriel_laddel_p;^ Roughly my feelings on the matter, however CLIM is sufficiently enjoyable to distract from this. 1598524;1483820299;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: while we have you on the line, plz consider taking a few min to explain the rationale for 'product is ready for selling' but at the same time 'video is not ready for public eye' 1598525;1483820400;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I'm doing my best to keep it from the hands of idiots. 1598526;1483820401;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: it gives an impression that , i suspect, you do not want 1598527;1483820414;gabriel_laddel_p;That being said, I should drop a version in here for the lordship 1598528;1483820422;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: what do you suppose might happen if idiots were to get hold of a copy ? 1598529;1483820480;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: an ubuntu+sbcl+clim "masamune" gets released and promoted by the whole "lisp community" that lacks sources, macsyma, MJRCALC, MGL, etc 1598530;1483820523;gabriel_laddel_p;I prefer to have access to an untainted market. 1598531;1483820575;asciilifeform;why do you care what the idiots who would consider bastardized product may or may not do ? 1598532;1483820604;asciilifeform;if you ~actually need~ their money, your business model is already catastrophically ill-conceived. 1598533;1483820626;gabriel_laddel_p;I want every penny of commercial lisp code to be directed to republican pockets. 1598534;1483820681;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: you want someone among the people here to work as your sales rep ? or wat 1598535;1483820689;gabriel_laddel_p;??? 1598536;1483820715;netmonk;damn i just realise it still exist people coding in lisp 1598537;1483820717;asciilifeform;well you did use phrase 'republican pockets' rather than ' gabriel_laddel_p's pockets ' 1598538;1483820718;netmonk;awesome 1598539;1483820774;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: once I figure out how to do this USB replication things, I aim to see every that every lord / notable republican has a Masamune + the ability to replicate it. 1598540;1483820783;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598350 << I love it. babble bots are my favorite kind of bots 1598541;1483820783;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 18:06 mircea_popescu: subquestion : does teh esteemed lordship find itself inclined to tolerate the exercise ? 1598542;1483820786;gabriel_laddel_p;Thus, they can sell Masamune and pocket whatever they're able to make. 1598543;1483820792;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: entirely leaving aside the particulars of your product, i must confess that i get an impression that gabriel_laddel_p is not himself entirely certain yet how it is that he wants to do business, and with whom, on what terms. 1598544;1483820870;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: consider posting, publicly, the ad film. if this enables 'idiot' to immediately replicate your work, then there was not so much to it, neh ? 1598545;1483820892;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: notice, for example, that complete schematic, cpld, etc. for FUCKGOATS is posted on www. 1598546;1483820915;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: yeah, but FUCKGOATS has _lots_ of text, whereas this is a video. 1598547;1483820925;gabriel_laddel_p;idiots have an easier time with the latter. 1598548;1483820946;gabriel_laddel_p;Anyways, will encrypt a copy to the lordship and drop it in here today. 1598549;1483820977;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: understand that 'this product is not for the public, it is for YOUR VEEERY SPESHUL EYES' patternmatches scamolade. 1598550;1483820986;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598267 < if you could point me to this archive it would be very helpful. 1598551;1483820986;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:38 asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives 1598552;1483820997;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598270 < idem 1598553;1483820997;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:39 trinque: aha, or your or my gentoo recipes 1598554;1483821001;asciilifeform;there is a very long history of this kind of nonsense that is ~very~ difficult to overlook. 1598555;1483821001;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: tough. 1598556;1483821007;davout;i really don't get this fascination with whatever idiots will do 1598557;1483821042;gabriel_laddel_p;davout: you've never wanted to do anything even remotely similar to what I aim to do. 1598558;1483821057;gabriel_laddel_p;if you want to discuss this in more detail, find me a blog I can post comments on without people bitching 1598559;1483821063;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << the gentoo recipe thread. 1598560;1483821063;a111;Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet 1598561;1483821071;asciilifeform;diana_coman , iirc, tested. 1598562;1483821073;asciilifeform;possibly others. 1598563;1483821088;mircea_popescu;phf illuminated schematics with tits seems like a winning strat. 1598564;1483821115;davout;gabriel_laddel_p: i have no interested in taking part in anything for which whatever idiots do or do not do has any kind of bearing 1598565;1483821158;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque repairs on phuctor are complete and the rss feed again consists strictly of genuinely-phuctored mods. the werker will be re-enabled tonight. it is safe to switch the feed back on. 1598566;1483821158;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1598567;1483821173;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598557 <<< this reduces to "i'm special, also reasons" 1598568;1483821173;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 20:30 gabriel_laddel_p: davout: you've never wanted to do anything even remotely similar to what I aim to do. 1598569;1483821174;gabriel_laddel_p;davout: lol, you're french right? 1598570;1483821193;davout;no i'm a bot 1598571;1483821310;mircea_popescu;these aren't mutually exclusive. 1598572;1483821402;netmonk;:) 1598573;1483821403;davout;a bot that could randomly go on strike i guess 1598574;1483821421;netmonk;davout: from what i hear you left 1598575;1483821428;netmonk;France not so long ago 1598576;1483821453;davout;yes. 1598577;1483821491;mircea_popescu;i am surprised you two don't know each other. 1598578;1483821493;mircea_popescu;o, wait. 1598579;1483821559;davout;i don't know, maybe we do? 1598580;1483821633;davout;some peeps i meet irl but don't have a mapping to a nick 1598581;1483821699;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598513 << the cause for this ridiculous situation, however, is very much described by the above discussion re symbolics. those were also people who aimed to install all lisp machines, by hand, in their own garage. 1598582;1483821699;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 20:10 gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598292 < this is _the_ problem in the lisp world. Each and every lisper painfully recreates a sorta-similar environment over the course of years. 1598583;1483821904;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: idk about that. Symbolics was a different beast with a different set of problems. But then again, I don't know that much about the people involved with Symbolics, so perhaps you are right. 1598584;1483821961;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598536 << the btcbase logs run on lisp for instance. in fact #tmsr is afaik the largest lisp codebase in actual use (ignoring for a moment whatever portions of AWOG alf may wish to bring up). 1598585;1483821961;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 20:25 netmonk: damn i just realise it still exist people coding in lisp 1598586;1483821992;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p well, let's put it this way - not a page of symbolics supposedly superb documentation did make it to republican coffers after all. 1598587;1483822063;gabriel_laddel_p;indeed. 1598588;1483822111;gabriel_laddel_p;I contend that the current "lisp community" is a bunch of fundamentally broken people, and that symbolics was a bunch of fundamentally broken people, but they're broken in different ways. 1598589;1483822128;mircea_popescu;anyway, entertaining the thing as you describe at face value : if indeed your concern is a sort of bastardization as conceptually constructible from the foregoing, then the correct move is to build your masamune on musl and attach a license that forbids the empire (such as for instance the trb license ; or else one stating to use must be in l2, or rated by you, or any such thing). this will mostly protect you both technically 1598590;1483822128;mircea_popescu; and legally, and i estimate the barriers would hold. 1598591;1483822158;mircea_popescu;then alf can run the thing ; and altman can't run the thing, both because he doesn't know how to and because he doesn't see any point in trying. 1598592;1483822184;gabriel_laddel_p;Sigh. Altman is probably going to end up with a version in his hands before alf. 1598593;1483822199;mircea_popescu;now, it may be that you don't know how to do this, but that's easier to solve than any other problem. 1598594;1483822242;mircea_popescu;netmonk did you see ben_vulpes 's lisp implementation of V ? 1598595;1483822348;mircea_popescu;kinda neat concept this, incidentally : "license is hereby granted to run this software to and only to those parties who have been wot-rated by $author". 1598596;1483822542;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598539 << i'm curious how this'd work. 1598597;1483822542;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 20:26 gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: once I figure out how to do this USB replication things, I aim to see every that every lord / notable republican has a Masamune + the ability to replicate it. 1598598;1483822551;mircea_popescu;might be ~same as the above musl, i suppose on a curated gentoo. 1598599;1483822629;mircea_popescu;truth be told we're so far into it i can't say in confidence i even fully understand what masamune ~actually is~. this is a sad state of affairs. 1598600;1483823616;ben_vulpes;"awog" == "america was once great"? 1598601;1483823673;ben_vulpes;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1598602;1483823673;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1598603;1483823675;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598562 << i have tested many many times. works very well 1598604;1483823675;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 20:31 asciilifeform: possibly others. 1598605;1483823750;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: you may continue to comment on my blog, others may continue to bitch, there is no pleasing everyone 1598606;1483823768;netmonk;mircea_popescu: im discovering it 1598607;1483823901;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: check your PMs. 1598608;1483823968;netmonk;i used to program in RPL on my hp48 back in the day, does that count ? :) 1598609;1483823998;phf;(in unrelated tooling, mc is handy. i can see why asciilifeform still uses it. you can go pretty far with the whole ofm paradigm, combine it with unix underneath, etc.) 1598610;1483824081;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KAZTc3blZPVVg2QU0/view?usp=sharing 1598611;1483824086;phf;ty 1598612;1483824122;gabriel_laddel_p;^ the whole lordship should be able to decrypt it on the off chance you're curious. 1598613;1483824371;gabriel_laddel_p;pete_dushenski: what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes? 1598614;1483824793;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes exactly. 1598615;1483824847;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p so what is this stick business, a tailored gentoo + masamune ? 1598616;1483824886;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: "stick business"? You are referring to the analogy from ascii earlier? 1598617;1483824916;mircea_popescu;no you said you're trying to get a stick replication ? 1598618;1483825022;gabriel_laddel_p;Oh right. Masamune is a gentoo (no systemd) curated for (sbcl) lisp development only. It offers graphics, CAS & other mathematical libs all in the same lisp process. 1598619;1483825073;gabriel_laddel_p;One of the features I need to complete is replication, which is to say: "A single procedure call being all that is necessary to bundle the entirety of the (possibly heavily modified) sources into a redistributable bootable USB stick installer or network download. " 1598620;1483825094;mircea_popescu;and this is for some reason mroe than a dozen lines of bash, for instance ? 1598621;1483825123;gabriel_laddel_p;Yes. For one, I can't create a working livecd. Secondly, it should not touch your personal files when replicating. 1598622;1483825172;gabriel_laddel_p;If you know the dozen lines of bash that will do this, do tell. 1598623;1483825181;mircea_popescu;holy hell ?! 1598624;1483825186;gabriel_laddel_p;I was working from https://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~purschke/RescueCD/ 1598625;1483825240;mircea_popescu;are you using what, grub ? 1598626;1483825291;gabriel_laddel_p;syslinux/extlinux 1598627;1483825316;mircea_popescu;for a bootloader i meant 1598628;1483825388;mircea_popescu;in my own mind, it's just unsquash the image, impose a portage on it / make other customisations and resquash it. at least that's how it ~should~ work what the everloving fuck. 1598629;1483825408;gabriel_laddel_p;syslinux is the bootloader 1598630;1483825421;gabriel_laddel_p;and it works fine. The problem is in this "image" business. 1598631;1483825443;gabriel_laddel_p;I cannot create an image that comes with all the required goodies without breaking something or other. 1598632;1483825444;*;mircea_popescu never used syslinux 1598633;1483825460;mircea_popescu;oh, as in dependency hell ? 1598634;1483825524;mircea_popescu;and in other "bad posture nudity", http://68.media.tumblr.com/aa8ea46ba42d57de36de74c7e0746ddf/tumblr_o2u4g9AyWj1qh70jeo9_1280.jpg 1598635;1483825630;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: something like that. There are a whole slew of issues: the init that Martin ships works fine, but if I substitute my own init - breaks. Among a million other things I have don't understand, such as 1598636;1483825675;mircea_popescu;it might be a good idea to write all these down ; there's a decent chance people here may read, and a not negligible chance at least one knows why it fails. 1598637;1483825675;gabriel_laddel_p;when creating my image, why must I copy using cp -dpR /somedir/* /someotherdir/ rather than the -a flag? 1598638;1483825746;mircea_popescu;i suspect because of full/relative dirnames. 1598639;1483825759;mircea_popescu;-a = -dR 1598640;1483825902;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu about maximally long but oh so lulzy 1598641;1483825918;mircea_popescu;accepted ? cool. 1598642;1483825934;BingoBoingo;acceptit 1598643;1483825943;mircea_popescu;no sauce for it, either, because well... sikrit infoz. 1598644;1483825950;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/the-fourth-reich-grips-berlin/ << Qntra - The Fourth Reich Grips Berlin 1598645;1483825965;mircea_popescu;which only adds to the amusement -- got data about what they plan to do in case data leaks which has been now leaked. 1598646;1483827114;asciilifeform;lol germanpublic 1598647;1483827153;asciilifeform;which one 'won't stand for it', the bearded d00dz enjoying themselves on rapesafari, or the chix ? 1598648;1483827189;asciilifeform;or is there a storehouse with actual germans still in it, in cryostorage, next to the nazi ufo and atomic bell ? 1598649;1483827434;mircea_popescu;how should i know! 1598650;1483827443;ben_vulpes;gentoo car quest complete 1598651;1483827476;ben_vulpes;battery tie nuts were so solidly adhesed to the ties that the rod snapped 1598652;1483827478;ben_vulpes;joy 1598653;1483827518;mod6;rusted? 1598654;1483827521;ben_vulpes;yeah 1598655;1483827529;ben_vulpes;even the mighty pblaster could not free them 1598656;1483827530;mod6;ah 1598657;1483827535;ben_vulpes;granted it's 30F out 1598658;1483827590;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: do you want an ircbot to play with "now" and migration to trinque's new shiny be damned or do you want to wait for the new shiny? 1598659;1483827612;mircea_popescu;no rush. 1598660;1483827629;ben_vulpes;new shiny entails capture of everything that comes out of irc servers and service/command module 1598661;1483827634;mircea_popescu;i only have a vague idea of what im gonna do with it anyway, will clarify in time. 1598662;1483827653;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i really only need it to see when it's highlighted and talk back. 1598663;1483827711;ben_vulpes;sure, gotcha 1598664;1483827800;ben_vulpes;bbl spawn awakens 1598665;1483828047;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : s/Washington alone/Washington alone/ ? 1598666;1483828047;a111;Logged on 2014-11-19 01:50 decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-23/german-gold-stays-in-new-york-in-rebuff-to-euro-doubters.html << " “The Americans are taking good care of our gold,” Norbert Barthle, the budget spokesman for Merkel’s Christian Democratic bloc in parliament, said in an interview. “Objectively, there’s absolutely no reason for mistrust.” " lol 1598667;1483828430;netmonk;no reason for mistrust 1598668;1483828448;netmonk;but trust isnt mutually excluded with control 1598669;1483828497;mircea_popescu;feminine pov. if you're a herd animal, trust === control. 1598670;1483828544;mircea_popescu;which is exactly what a colony is : a female state. 1598671;1483829031;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598397 < if you think haskell is of the same family of lisp you understood nothing. 1598672;1483829031;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 18:24 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598383 << reminds me of how i first chanced upon lisp. i was eighteen, more pretentious than now, and had eaten my first hashcake half an hour ago. i was reading esr, jumped to topic of lisp and homoiconicity, and was like... d0000d. this is how you penetrate the universe. knowwhatimsayin. 1598673;1483829043;gabriel_laddel_p;also rust is for retards. 1598674;1483829067;gabriel_laddel_p;less hash, more sitting at a lisp REPL 1598675;1483829124;Framedragger;take it easy friend, things can be said and appreciated in jest :) 1598676;1483829130;gabriel_laddel_p;no, it can't 1598677;1483829133;gabriel_laddel_p;die painfully 1598678;1483829542;Framedragger;this reminds me of when i earnestly tried to pull a "do you even positivism" russell's teapot "prove it" on mp re. his claims on Tor 1598679;1483829566;gabriel_laddel_p;!!down Framedragger 1598680;1483829567;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p may not !!down Framedragger. 1598681;1483829725;Framedragger;well, i'm sorry if i angered you, did not intend that :) 1598682;1483829765;gabriel_laddel_p;!!rate Framedragger -10 useless 1598683;1483829766;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2hBgV/?raw=true 1598684;1483829804;gabriel_laddel_p;!!v 09D7D2552E4291B91E5F21B3D7554D23373D9A2A44FF5B185ED693978F70E818 1598685;1483829804;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p rated Framedragger -10 << useless 1598686;1483830345;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598584 < google flights probably has a bigger LoC count. 1598687;1483830345;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 20:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598536 << the btcbase logs run on lisp for instance. in fact #tmsr is afaik the largest lisp codebase in actual use (ignoring for a moment whatever portions of AWOG alf may wish to bring up). 1598688;1483830404;gabriel_laddel_p;http://rigetti.com/ < USG.MAGA also uses CL, though I'm not clear on the particulars atm 1598689;1483830508;gabriel_laddel_p;my mistake: usg.altman, not usg.maga 1598690;1483830858;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598589 < http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-23#1144189 1598691;1483830858;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 20:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, entertaining the thing as you describe at face value : if indeed your concern is a sort of bastardization as conceptually constructible from the foregoing, then the correct move is to build your masamune on musl and attach a license that forbids the empire (such as for instance the trb license ; or else one stating to use must be in l2, or rated by you, or any such thing). this will mostly protect you both technically 1598692;1483830858;a111;Logged on 2015-05-23 06:52 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupi 1598693;1483830875;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: bored and want to do something useful? 1598694;1483830885;adlai;sure, why not 1598695;1483830903;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: got a gentoo machine sitting around? 1598696;1483830923;adlai;no, and my trb node never finished syncing either 1598697;1483830931;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: mk. what distro do you use? 1598698;1483830953;adlai;the haemorraging-edge one, dome linoks 1598699;1483830973;adlai;and some sorta bsd but i don't own the iron 1598700;1483830990;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: what runs on the machine that is actually sitting on your lap 1598701;1483831018;adlai;gabriel_laddel_p: read my lisp: arch linux 1598702;1483831037;adlai;also, don't laptop literally, that literally kills the sperm 1598703;1483831118;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: well it seems I can't have you do what I had in mind. Could you instead please review http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/ternary/ and work out some basic ternery circuts for the eventual loper machine? 1598704;1483831156;gabriel_laddel_p;All simulations should be written in CL. 1598705;1483831211;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: some further food for thought 1598706;1483831211;gabriel_laddel_p;https://web.williams.edu/Mathematics/sjmiller/public_html/105Sp10/addcomments/Hayes_ThirdBase.htm 1598707;1483831221;gabriel_laddel_p;http://www.mortati.com/glusker/fowler/ternary.htm 1598708;1483831271;gabriel_laddel_p;http://www.mortati.com/glusker/fowler/ternary.htm 1598709;1483831287;*;adlai hopes gabriel_laddel_p has no dead line in mind 1598710;1483831291;gabriel_laddel_p;err, 1598711;1483831291;gabriel_laddel_p;https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/optalysys-and-optical-computing/ 1598712;1483831326;adlai;(also you seem to vastly overestimate my competence, which is fine - a common mistake. others here seem to have a better idea of it) 1598713;1483831334;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: what is a deadline? 1598714;1483831340;mircea_popescu;ah google has an airfinder thing too ? had no idea. apparently written in cl indeed. 1598715;1483831362;*;adlai tells that one story about the math teacher that drew a line on the blackboard, then fisted it to uproars from the audience 1598716;1483831373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they bought it (acquihire) for ~$1B 1598717;1483831384;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: you're plenty smart, and could be useful if you'd work on useful stuff. 1598718;1483831384;asciilifeform;a while ago. 1598719;1483831396;adlai;gabriel_laddel_p: what is a use? 1598720;1483831404;gabriel_laddel_p;nevermind 1598721;1483831407;gabriel_laddel_p;!!down adlai 1598722;1483831408;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p may not !!down adlai. 1598723;1483831419;gabriel_laddel_p;!!rate -10 adlai useless 1598724;1483831419;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1598725;1483831429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. doesn't seem to be going anywhere, iirc they also bought matrix, and never integrated 1598726;1483831443;adlai;gabriel_laddel_p: protip, don't drink and rate 1598727;1483831447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the air tickets thing -- worx, i've used it many times, fwiw. 1598728;1483831468;mircea_popescu;i generally use either girl-who-works-at-agency or else expedia. 1598729;1483831503;adlai;mircea_popescu: iiuc qpx is the ~one~ proggy google did not rewrite in blub after it landed in their laps 1598730;1483831564;adlai;gabriel_laddel_p: fwiw, i intend to finish the hardcopy of hacker's delight that landed in my life before properly digesting the links you sent me, but out of politeness, i will skim them first. 1598731;1483831706;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: according to dan weinreb (who died a couplea years ago; was one of the key smbx folx, and then -- much later -- also the orbitz air tickets thing) wrote (on his www, that is now vanished, though archive.org might have snapshot), 1598732;1483831722;adlai;!!v 41106D515B449ED8C50D122247FA7FD94F5EFBBB021FD9CEDF6E9A9D8FD72EF4 1598733;1483831722;deedbot;adlai rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << likely impostor until verified otherwise, still needs a bouncer; otoh, talks plenty smart. 1598734;1483831723;asciilifeform;that orbitz was only 1 foot in lisp planet, and had the most cpu-intensive piece in cpp. 1598735;1483831749;phf;wut 1598736;1483831755;asciilifeform;aha. 1598737;1483831790;*;adlai has lots of logs to catch up before amending the rating. 1598738;1483831978;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: anyways, iirc hackers delight is a bunch of tricks for binary machines. I see no reason why you shouldn't just skip it. 1598739;1483832008;gabriel_laddel_p;also, if you could locate the precise knuth book where he discusses balanced ternery, and then find me a warez copy, that would be useful 1598740;1483832014;gabriel_laddel_p;chop chop. 1598741;1483832071;netmonk;not so difficult to find taocp on bittorrent 1598742;1483832119;gabriel_laddel_p;netmonk: I've been ignoring everything you've said because it is clear you've not read 6 months of logs. 1598743;1483832122;phf;actually it would be nice if somebody were to warez the cross referenced version of taocp that was produced by tug. stuff that's on bittorent is junk 1598744;1483832149;gabriel_laddel_p;netmonk: start here: http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/ 1598745;1483832166;netmonk;gabriel_laddel_p: that's a valid reason currently 1598746;1483832167;ben_vulpes;chop chop lol the stones on this guy 1598747;1483832191;gabriel_laddel_p;netmonk: then come back after a month or so and we'll see if we can have an actual conversation. 1598748;1483832242;netmonk;gabriel_laddel_p: alright, but still, it's not so difficult to find it on bittorrent 1598749;1483832258;gabriel_laddel_p;netmonk: try reading my message again. 1598750;1483832264;gabriel_laddel_p;netmonk: also, I can't torrent anything atm 1598751;1483832300;gabriel_laddel_p;netmonk: I don't want all of them (well, I do, but nevermind that) - I want the specific book & page number where knuth discusses balanced ternery. 1598752;1483832307;gabriel_laddel_p;netmonk: and a copy of the book 1598753;1483832444;netmonk;gabriel_laddel_p: first part of your request is basic google search : https://www.google.fr/search?espv=2&biw=2131&bih=998&tbm=bks&q=the+art+of+computer+programming++balanced+ternery&oq=the+art+of+computer+programming++balanced+ternery&gs_l=serp.3..30i10k1.2454.6331.0.6536.14.13.1.0.0.0.327.1357.10j2j0j1.13.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..1.6.461.HHB-vlpZ1EQ 1598754;1483832936;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597346 << 09:13:20 adlai | one could argue a lot of things, such as "miners should voluntarily reduce the block size, to drive up fees, and then increase the block 1598755;1483832936;a111;Logged on 2017-01-06 06:27 ben_vulpes: eh, the leaving of free money on the ground baffles me. 1598756;1483832938;adlai; | size gradually enough that users don't realize they can pay lower fees again" 1598757;1483833006;asciilifeform;adlai: there is an even simpler plausible hypothesis - that it is simply easier to build the massive blockwithhold-chains the cartel builds, if one does ~not~ include wild tx-en in'em 1598758;1483833064;asciilifeform;(easier in the sense that the perpetrator does not risk having his withholdchain invalidated by a 'wild' tx being included twice (dun ask me why this would be a concern, but we DO know that they program with arse muscles) or conceivably mined by another 1598759;1483833067;asciilifeform;) 1598760;1483833073;adlai;how's it go... "hidden are the devil's machinations" (rough transation of "nistarot hen darkei ha'el") 1598761;1483833562;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598709< jesus fuck. I somehow misread this as anything other than "deadline". 1598762;1483833562;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 23:21 adlai hopes gabriel_laddel_p has no dead line in mind 1598763;1483833664;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: anyways, to that point, there is no deadline for any of this, but your updates should be ~weekly and you should be working on it 6hrs+ a day if you want your life to amount to anything. 1598764;1483835613;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p it's ternary not ternery. 1598765;1483835659;gabriel_laddel_p;Godamnnit. I fucking _hate_ whiteboards and these stupid fucking "air fresheners" they stick all over the place. 1598766;1483835684;phf;gabriel_laddel_p: have you tried resurrecting (?) beirc, seems like a proper tmsr machine needs an irc client 1598767;1483835685;gabriel_laddel_p;What _exactly_ was so wrong with blackboards that they had to be done away with? 1598768;1483835686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the mined by another is probably the operative concern. 1598769;1483835687;gabriel_laddel_p;that they worked? 1598770;1483835703;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p people get exposure chalk dust allergy. 1598771;1483835755;*;gabriel_laddel_p can barely resist the urge to stick "google toxic encephalopathy" under each air freshener I find. 1598772;1483835796;gabriel_laddel_p;for the record, does anyone know of an intelligent person who uses air fresheners/fabreez? 1598773;1483835867;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: it works fine. 1598774;1483835887;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: ships with masamune. 1598775;1483835912;phf;ah, k. i just keep seeing kiwiirc in your quit 1598776;1483835930;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: you dun want to know about my life situation... 1598777;1483835954;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: anyways, I have suggested using a +v irc channel + CL-FTP + beirc as a "CLIM-web" so we can ditch the browser tomorrow 1598778;1483835976;gabriel_laddel_p;Framedragger was supposed to put this together, but (surprise) has not. 1598779;1483835992;gabriel_laddel_p;adlai: ^ another thing you can do. The patch to fix CL-FTP is in the logs. 1598780;1483836016;Framedragger;i was not supposed to do anything gabriel_laddel_p. stop with the passive aggressive tone already, it's annoying 1598781;1483836071;phf;wait how does cl-ftp ties into ircing? 1598782;1483836084;adlai;gabriel_laddel_p: please don't give me makework, it's more than enough to have received a rootset of (what's the word that means what 'people' actually mean when they say 'hopefully'?) useful material. 1598783;1483836145;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: instead of having "web applications" we have a +v, invite only irc channel where our CL programs communicate. Well-formed messages are treated as FTP endpoints to download arbitrary information. 1598784;1483836156;gabriel_laddel_p;ditch the whole stupidity of "caching" the web, local storage etc 1598785;1483836164;gabriel_laddel_p;just download the DB along with the UI. 1598786;1483836174;*;adlai thinks gabriel_laddel_p would make an excellent phb 1598787;1483836189;adlai;nothing passive nor aggressive about this, just plain old fact. 1598788;1483836190;gabriel_laddel_p;and a bot you can "deedbot" a networked program to 1598789;1483836252;phf;heh 1598790;1483836300;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598410 << at the risk of furthering the thread on harmonic interferometry, you don't "get" dsotm until you "hear" (not with teh ears, but in the heart, or wherever the pineal gland lives these days) the 251 1598791;1483836300;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 18:31 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and the dark side still being the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant the album but both work well in this instance..) :) 1598792;1483836472;adlai;gabriel_laddel_pm | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598715 < also, it sounds like you might have been sorely miseducated your entire life. << whaddya want, he was a populist; yet in his defense, he was my first math^H^Harithmetic teacher who... how do i put this, had a mentor relationship with his charges rather than just "these are the numbers, these are their sums" 1598793;1483836472;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 23:22 adlai tells that one story about the math teacher that drew a line on the blackboard, then fisted it to uproars from the audience 1598794;1483836473;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: mnemnion_ is back 1598795;1483836495;adlai;oh, the right word is 'algebra'. dude taught me algebra. 1598796;1483836517;ben_vulpes;beirc shits itself when i run it naively. complaints re no generic function for cl-irc:nickname or the like 1598797;1483836564;phf;... 1598798;1483836589;ben_vulpes;i have nfi dude 1598799;1483836608;*;adlai ceasefires re:glp until he has something to show for himself (all for antecedent superpositions are valid) 1598800;1483836678;adlai;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents 1598801;1483836679;jhvh1;adlai: The operation succeeded. 1598802;1483837013;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? 1598803;1483837124;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598778 << how did you get this idea then ? 1598804;1483837124;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 00:39 gabriel_laddel_p: Framedragger was supposed to put this together, but (surprise) has not. 1598805;1483837260;Framedragger;i told gabriel i'd be interested in reviewing clim-web etc.; he sent me a very nice email with instructions incl. setup; this was 20 dec; i didn't have time to look at it. 1598806;1483837294;mircea_popescu;a ok. 1598807;1483837468;Framedragger;("supposed" and "putting this together" is really stretching it, but i agree that "hey i didn't commit to anything" is a really shitty attitude, of the same kind as "i hacked up loggotron but it's bad lol") 1598808;1483837520;mircea_popescu;i dunno why he expects "i'll act like mp" will work for him, but i guess it's worth a shot. 1598809;1483837667;ben_vulpes;not necessarily that shitty of an attitude in this case Framedragger 1598810;1483837694;ben_vulpes;anything other than "yeah i'll get right on it" is a "no" in my book 1598811;1483837712;Framedragger;true. and treating it differently leads to mismatched expectations. 1598812;1483837757;ben_vulpes;now if gabriel_laddel_p has returned to say "omfg you said you would" the fun continues! 1598813;1483837759;ben_vulpes;!!up gabriel_laddel_p 1598814;1483837759;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. 1598815;1483837776;phf;slow night on tmsr 1598816;1483837777;mircea_popescu;more voice more voice have a look 'an here we go 1598817;1483837811;ben_vulpes;hey ovh why does it take more than fifteen seconds to charge a cc? what do you use, bitcoin? 1598818;1483837813;*;adlai is confused, can't the _p-erson up itself? 1598819;1483837817;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598796 < if only there were some system you could buy where everything worked out of the box. 1598820;1483837817;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 00:48 ben_vulpes: beirc shits itself when i run it naively. complaints re no generic function for cl-irc:nickname or the like 1598821;1483837833;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: omg come back with a reproducible build 1598822;1483837839;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570093 < and here 1598823;1483837839;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 21:39 Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: i don't have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you? 1598824;1483837850;mod6;evenin' 1598825;1483837866;mircea_popescu;buenas tardes senor 1598826;1483837894;mod6;Hola Senor Popescu! 1598827;1483837910;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598800 < proof by counterexample works I suppose. 1598828;1483837910;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 00:51 adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents 1598829;1483837910;mircea_popescu;donde son los albondigalitas 1598830;1483837920;mod6;It's like 7 deg. F., but I just grilled some awesome cheddarworst on the grill. Damn they were good. 1598831;1483837926;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: iirc with ovh, paypal sometimes doesn't clear till next business day. possibly same with CC. needs to be checked manually. if you raise a ticket with them they'll tell you that, and nothing will get fast-tracked. :/ 1598832;1483837972;mircea_popescu;everything i hear about ovh makes me think it's a french company. 1598833;1483837991;gabriel_laddel_p;ben_vulpes: you realize that there will be a price hike after this is complete correct? 1598834;1483837999;gabriel_laddel_p;ben_vulpes: it was 200, then 300, now 410 1598835;1483838023;mod6;what about for me? can i still pay 200? 1598836;1483838035;mod6;:D 1598837;1483838076;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: you realize that every day you continue faffing about like this the odds anyone here will pay one red cent for masamune goes down? 1598838;1483838092;phf;mod6: will be selling it on ebay for 5k "collector edition ma-sa-mu-ne" in 40 years 1598839;1483838096;Framedragger;verifying ovh downtime is sometimes a matter of deciphering french tweets from this octave guy https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000515962445/dbcf2529f787de1233a72011d216d992_400x400.jpeg straight from french cinema 1598840;1483838105;ben_vulpes;it was low, then you lost your key, now i don't even wat 1598841;1483838159;mod6;i actually kinda wanna test this guy out 1598842;1483838171;mod6;but yah, wtf with the key, etc? 1598843;1483838173;mircea_popescu;Framedragger butter sauce. i can tell by the liver-shot eyes and the wattle. 1598844;1483838176;gabriel_laddel_p;ben_vulpes: it wasn't for sale at any point when I had the old key, but I suppose that's just "faffing" 1598845;1483838207;gabriel_laddel_p;ben_vulpes: incidentally, if I'm wasting my time here with Framedragger and adali, can you also negrate them so they can be put !!down? 1598846;1483838227;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel_p: you're the one damaging snr tonight 1598847;1483838245;mircea_popescu;wait, he's actually serious ? 1598848;1483838254;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it boggles. 1598849;1483838260;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: but of course 1598850;1483838283;mircea_popescu;listen, take a break. all this "work" you do on computers is getting in the way of your life. 1598851;1483838287;mircea_popescu;it'll still be here next year. 1598852;1483838431;mircea_popescu;and in other boating girls, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2088dfe8c6c6bbf2200fbfeb3706c352/tumblr_o2u4g9AyWj1qh70jeo10_1280.jpg 1598853;1483838547;mod6;someday... 1598854;1483838683;mod6;but yeah, im not gonna live on some boat like rud00d, but would be into taking her out for daily runs of piracy and vaginal stabbings 1598855;1483838715;mircea_popescu;boat is never as cramped as when the four resident girls get their cramps. 1598856;1483838744;mod6;yah, im with you. i don't think i could deal with being at sea, indefiniately. 1598857;1483838749;ben_vulpes;lotsa jewesses today mircea_popescu 1598858;1483838755;mod6;for a short trip, fuck yea. otherwise, no. 1598859;1483838763;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes can you tell by the length of the penis ? 1598860;1483838771;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ahahaha waterbatgh eh ? 1598861;1483839020;mircea_popescu;mod6 as friend once said, "solitary confinment is just great - i take one just about every time i go to the john." 1598862;1483839034;mod6;hahah 1598863;1483839258;mod6;when reading "Snow Crash" this year, and after Hanjin went bankrupt, was thinkin, "sure, could buy some of those things... tie 'em together and start an ``ark''". but who would wanna basically live at sea for years on end? 1598864;1483839293;mircea_popescu;well it has the advantage that you can piss out the window. 1598865;1483839322;mod6;aha, ya, well, 'tis true. 1598866;1483839367;mircea_popescu;also in red cup news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0511676a0cdec1e72600da644c703a8d/tumblr_nxy4dmDkF21uw9prro1_1280.jpg 1598867;1483839438;mod6;I like this Red Cup news. 1598868;1483839446;mod6;also, is that Col. Kilgore?! 1598869;1483839459;mircea_popescu;may be the antivirus guy 1598870;1483839496;mircea_popescu;what was his name 1598871;1483839499;mircea_popescu;mctoffee or something 1598872;1483839506;mod6;ah ya 1598873;1483839689;mod6;Anyway, nice chatting for a minute ... but I better get back to work :] 1598874;1483839692;mod6;will check in later. 1598875;1483840810;ben_vulpes;phf: consider making http://btcbase.org/patches/*/seal/ return a plaintext list of seals? 1598876;1483840851;phf;like all the seals? 1598877;1483840860;ben_vulpes;for the * patch 1598878;1483840942;phf;sounds good 1598879;1483840945;ben_vulpes;also if you'd be so kind as to add http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017_cleanup.vpatch to your tree i'd be much obliged. if the hopper is working again just let me know and i'll dump vpatches in there 1598880;1483840961;ben_vulpes;the link with both patch and seal is http://cascadianhacker.com/overall-improvements 1598881;1483840970;ben_vulpes;thank yew! 1598882;1483841146;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: haha yup, the wild west needs a wittle washing ;) and ty for the qntra ups, might've been the first time BingoBoingo actually used my suggested title! 1598883;1483841178;phf;ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/2017_cleanup 1598884;1483841222;pete_dushenski;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p "what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes?" << if you're thinking of one as a residence, i could see it. 1598885;1483841222;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded. 1598886;1483841235;phf;i still have an issue of global namespace for vpatches. i'm not yet sure that they need namespacing. it's sort of inconsequential for when you do your own press, but in terms of permanent urls you have the first come first served problem.. 1598887;1483841299;ben_vulpes;phf: saw it, gracias! 1598888;1483841306;ben_vulpes;phf: aye 1598889;1483841329;pete_dushenski;also, dear republic, laocoon (62.113.203.216) is back online, relaying better and more widely than ever. sorry for any inconvenience. 1598890;1483841417;ben_vulpes;heh 1598891;1483841449;ben_vulpes;i left -verifyall in my node's boot script for some reason, took me a minute to figure out why it was taking forever to reboot the other day 1598892;1483841470;ben_vulpes;strace showed LOTS OF FUCKING READS which got me thinking in the right direction 1598893;1483841579;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: can you shed some light on how exactly scriba archives ? wondering if my little 'medium trick' has any merit at all or is merely a duplication of effort if links are dropped in-chan 1598894;1483841602;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: how much faster is boot w/o --verifyall ? 1598895;1483841712;ben_vulpes;couldn't tell ya, i killed the process and ran it again without the flag in question 1598896;1483841718;ben_vulpes;did you ever grok what i said about kill -9? 1598897;1483841733;ben_vulpes;you can nuke a stuck node in place without having to restart the whole machine. 1598898;1483841746;pete_dushenski;o ya, sorry for not answering directly but yes, grokked 1598899;1483841752;ben_vulpes;groovy, nbd 1598900;1483841773;phf;(psa: will corrupt data with higher probability) 1598901;1483841777;ben_vulpes;didn't like the thought of you wasting your time on operating system reboots 1598902;1483841795;pete_dushenski;phf: which will ? 1598903;1483841801;ben_vulpes;yeah phf makes a point: kill -9 can hose data. 1598904;1483841814;phf;well, both 1598905;1483841825;ben_vulpes;ah 1598906;1483841842;pete_dushenski;sure 1598907;1483841874;phf;i think if you shutdown kernel will give a grace period to stuck userspace processes and then kill 9 it anyway 1598908;1483842068;pete_dushenski;in other groks, http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/japans-new-business-language-english 1598909;1483842130;pete_dushenski;"Japan's population is ageing. Our economy is slowing. We are not producing enough coders and digital gurus. The only way we can catch up and restore growth and dynamism is by looking outside our borders for talent. 1598910;1483842233;pete_dushenski;" << doesn't quite jive with mackenzie's experience as to the availability of coders but gotta sow the seeds of propaganda that 'japan is falling behind' when in fact seiko, toyota, yonex, panasonic, and more are all leading their fields globally 1598911;1483842330;pete_dushenski;one can only attribute the electronic reliability of toyotas and hondas to the availability of ~the right kind~ of coders in japan. compare and contrast with those of us or germany, it'd be a hoot. 1598912;1483842433;phf;that gwern's paper that i linked indirectly explains what's "right" kind of coder, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1580059 1598913;1483842433;a111;Logged on 2016-12-08 23:21 phf: and on the subject of japan and doing things right, gwern wrote about internet culture in japan http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20Society#japan-and-the-internet he got everything wrong, but the subject is interesting 1598914;1483842453;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598886 << in general it should be tree_author_arbitraryname ; that resolves the namespace issue i expect 1598915;1483842453;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 02:07 phf: i still have an issue of global namespace for vpatches. i'm not yet sure that they need namespacing. it's sort of inconsequential for when you do your own press, but in terms of permanent urls you have the first come first served problem.. 1598916;1483842494;mircea_popescu;so that it's trb_mod6_doesgirlsonboats.vpatch vs vtron_phf_addsnamespaces.vpatch. no conflict possible. 1598917;1483842661;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski verifyall actually rechecks the chain. takes potentially hours. 1598918;1483842732;mircea_popescu;phf ben_vulpes : it won't corrupt anything if the berkley db is ran in "detached" mode, which it prolly should be. i don't recall if we put this in the trb or not. 1598919;1483842734;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597363 << please excuse the nitpick, but given this thread, 'tree' is a misnomer. 1598920;1483842734;a111;Logged on 2017-01-06 06:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem of "how to sort two patches which alter entirely disjuncts subsets of the file set" is not exactly clear. unless they declare how they prefer to be sorted. 1598921;1483842762;mircea_popescu;how do you reason ? 1598922;1483842847;*;adlai should probably provide an example instead of babbling, but: it's possible to produce distinct antecedents for the same patch 1598923;1483842853;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski fortunately nobody gives a flying fuck what esl speakers say on any topic. this is very deeply difficult for the selfsame esltards to grok, but it DOES explain why trilema is more widely read than nytimes. 1598924;1483842906;pete_dushenski;linguistic sluts ftw 1598925;1483842907;mircea_popescu;adlai in general, patch says who its antecedents are. 1598926;1483842936;ben_vulpes;ah, the "roots" thread? 1598927;1483842943;phf;the read part of the story is vapid, but the unread part is more interesting, and therefore will be completely missed by the target audience of that article: somewhere in the world, there's a corporation that can change its ~internal communications language~ because the ceo said so 1598928;1483842958;mircea_popescu;no, this'd be different ; that was about adding references ~in the files~ as comments ; this is about the patches (ie, diffs) 1598929;1483842963;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: patch says what antecedent file hashes it stemmed from, no? 1598930;1483842981;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah, different layers. 1598931;1483843000;adlai;patches state what state their antecedents must produce, but they don't commit to the antecedent itself 1598932;1483843003;phf;adlai: i agree, it's a general graph, rather than a tree, has loops etc. 1598933;1483843035;mircea_popescu;phf this has happened before. specifically the guy recently named in log, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584020 1598934;1483843035;a111;Logged on 2016-12-16 13:42 mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of nothing in particular, everyone heard of carlos ghosn ? quite the fellow. 1598935;1483843076;mircea_popescu;adlai yes, in that formulation it could be linked to the antecedent-in-file thread. 1598936;1483843176;mircea_popescu;anyway, the reason it's a tree is ~because we say so~, not because in and of itself it ~is~. there's no way for a pile of code to be a tree outside of the will of the people writing code. 1598937;1483843213;pete_dushenski;phf: aha cheers. saw the link but didn't read the gwern piece. will now. 1598938;1483843305;phf;pete_dushenski: just the linked appendix, rest requires even more entomological equipment.. :p 1598939;1483843339;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in accidental vulva accidents, http://68.media.tumblr.com/83278159c3180a1620e23653612bfa07/tumblr_o85u04w8pZ1qzhjh2o1_1280.jpg 1598940;1483843439;*;pete_dushenski is more enthralled with japanese culture by the day. intends to construct a house (and garage) stocked with their finest products. 1598941;1483843672;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty fxd 1598942;1483843720;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: ganbatte 1598943;1483843760;pete_dushenski;heh 1598944;1483844009;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/05/a-quick-trick-to-save-medium-articles-before-they-go-bye-bye/#comment-53750 1598945;1483844100;Framedragger;(tl;dr right now, scriba only submits to archive.is (with no local retention of requested site); the "did archive.is actually accept the submission" check has been improved, and can be used via the `!$ getarchive` command. local retention should take place eventually though, imo.) 1598946;1483844205;asciilifeform;phf: the part where jp is pathologically, direly, trapped in winblowzland, is actually true. 1598947;1483844209;Framedragger;(and in regards to duplication of effort, technically yes, i think (though you're advising web.archive.org'd sites to be then submitted to archive.is, right?), but that can't be a bad thing. additional prudent advice could include "how to save local copy with images and stylesheets" note, i guess..) 1598948;1483844278;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598387 << Just set a jar of peanut butter between then and let them sort it out 1598949;1483844278;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 18:17 ben_vulpes: lol omfg rescue dog food from child, only to be blessed by cries of anger when dog takes banana from child 1598950;1483844306;asciilifeform;i at one point wanted to use the mighty 'super-H' (ss in sega) chip, salivated over the manual, but turned out, all the dev tools from vendor are microshitian, and even the ~example sources~ wouldn't unpack without some microturd 1598951;1483844312;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: i haven't checked, but `wget --page-requisites $URL` may be enough for the latter. 1598952;1483844321;asciilifeform;*as in sega 1598953;1483844418;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: likely less amusing than you'd expect, scarcity is key to conflict 1598954;1483844440;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: comment answered, cheers :) /me didn't have much success with wget and, eg. tlp, but other sites may be more amenable to it 1598955;1483844451;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom! 1598956;1483844451;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 02:55 Framedragger: (tl;dr right now, scriba only submits to archive.is (with no local retention of requested site); the "did archive.is actually accept the submission" check has been improved, and can be used via the `!$ getarchive` command. local retention should take place eventually though, imo.) 1598957;1483844473;asciilifeform;*thought about 1598958;1483844475;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I didn't think dogs, especially big dogs had a concept of "plenty" when it came to peanut butter. 1598959;1483844500;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: child will get distracted by the wonder that is a fistful of pb tho 1598960;1483844507;ben_vulpes;ah which reminds me, gotta go lubricate the child 1598961;1483844523;Framedragger;asciilifeform: actually what i also like about archive.is (don't get me wrong, i agree that trusting a service run by some d00d not in wot isn't super future-proof, ahem) is that it *does* save a bitmap rendered image for the site, too 1598962;1483844556;asciilifeform;it is not only closed-rando, but takes eons. 1598963;1483844573;asciilifeform;(a standard heathen browser loads same crud in a fee sec) 1598964;1483844579;asciilifeform;*few sec 1598965;1483844590;ben_vulpes;should be a paid service, really, debiting the accounts of whomever pastes the link 1598966;1483844602;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << problem is solved problem, just requires work. at the very least we can easily replicate archive.is functionality 1598967;1483844602;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom! 1598968;1483844631;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm not pulling out the fucking launch codes to sign a beobachter url omfg 1598969;1483844646;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: from the log! 1598970;1483844694;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i think ben_vulpes intends to say that deedbot's forthcoming payment service could keep track of invoicing 1598971;1483844701;asciilifeform;if we were on mars and paid a buck a byte for bw, it'd almost make sense 1598972;1483844702;ben_vulpes;and whoever !!up's someone is on the hook for the cost of archiving their links. 1598973;1483844727;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: needs no dependency on deedbot 1598974;1483844733;Framedragger;asciilifeform: there's that station-key vs. identity-key idea of yours, perhaps the former could could be allowed to go a few cents into debit, though this is maybe a road to complexity madness.. 1598975;1483844757;ben_vulpes;oh ffs 1598976;1483844767;asciilifeform;Framedragger: mircea_popescu had a more recent discussion re 'sybil constellations' 1598977;1483844778;asciilifeform;but presently we have no such thing 1598978;1483844790;ben_vulpes;we have a log attributing lines to wot members whence this nonsense i ask you 1598979;1483844794;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1558085 1598980;1483844794;a111;Logged on 2016-10-21 21:42 phf: they are using Qt webkit integration, either through a hacked up version of phantomjs, or something handwritten. there's enough hooks in qt, that you can figure out what was loaded, where it got stored in local cache and where it's being used. 1598981;1483844846;asciilifeform;phf: this method has a problem 1598982;1483844858;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: i think asciilifeform hates the idea of trusting fleanode to maintain nick-to-identity mappings. the !!up/down model was *supposed* to eliminate gribble-like state anyway, right? 1598983;1483844860;asciilifeform;if your www renderer has a hole... 1598984;1483844877;phf;asciilifeform: i said ~at least replicate archive.is~ 1598985;1483844893;asciilifeform;phf: a public www toilet ideally would have guaranteed isolation of universes. 1598986;1483844923;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: we're talking usgpennies here 1598987;1483844947;*;pete_dushenski to pizza 1598988;1483844955;asciilifeform;replicating a.is would not be all that hard, could even use an instrumented civilian browser 1598989;1483844966;asciilifeform;but quite unhygienic. 1598990;1483844969;phf;right, just nobody dun it :> 1598991;1483844981;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: suresure, i agree that it'd be fine, but i expect someone could concoct a "sybil account keeps draining pennies" argument.. but eh. yeah. 1598992;1483844990;phf;instead they's splitting bitcents between em :p 1598993;1483844993;asciilifeform;nobody wants to preside over the syphilitic bordello that would result. 1598994;1483845060;asciilifeform;and yes i have nfi what is with this preoccupation with charging each other pennies for a ~0-cost pipeline 1598995;1483845110;asciilifeform;reminds me of the scene in b00k 'atlas shrugged' where the zillionaires in the invisible magic valley give each other gold coins when borrowing cup of sugar 1598996;1483845184;Framedragger;well, you mentioned sybil. this may help avoid sybil url submission spam. granted, the latter may be avoided by "only people currently voiced / currently in l2 / l1" filter, etc.. 1598997;1483845205;asciilifeform;Framedragger: 'sybil' in that thread meant something rather nonstandard 1598998;1483845245;asciilifeform;it was about folks like asciilifeform having multiple keys that are used for different things, but wot-connected as if they were people 1598999;1483845256;Framedragger;ahh. 1599000;1483845279;ben_vulpes;could just be for wot, point is nothing for allcomers 1599001;1483845279;Framedragger;creating an impression of a strong wot and so on, i see. 1599002;1483845281;ben_vulpes;bbl 1599003;1483845308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu proposed this as a somewhat cleaner solution to the vectored-sig problem 1599004;1483845344;asciilifeform;and i am quite convinced now that no cleaner answer will be found. 1599005;1483845393;*;Framedragger off to sleep, damn you west-of-ocean peoples! 1599006;1483845413;asciilifeform;(thread was iirc originally about a vtronic gentoo cleanup, and i noted that nobody with half a brain would sign a gig of dubious rubbish code with their naked, unvectored lordly key) 1599007;1483845475;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: just don't autoarchive pastes by tempvoiced folx 1599008;1483845478;asciilifeform;problemsolved. 1599009;1483845483;Framedragger;ahh. so you'd e.g. have a 'weaker' key (with a certain limited degree of trust) which could sign those kinds of abonimations. pretty elegant! (also disregard my "impression of strong wot" comment, i had misunderstood) 1599010;1483845727;asciilifeform;one of the minuses imho is that it will increase the cost of ferreting out cases of http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ . 1599011;1483845807;asciilifeform;(then again, maybe not) 1599012;1483846178;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598911 << apparently while i slept in my cave, jp went down the same toilet as everybody else: honda had a ~firmware bug~ recall recently , power steering controller crashed while in motion, users instructed to reboot motherfucking auto! on roadside 1599013;1483846178;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 02:25 pete_dushenski: one can only attribute the electronic reliability of toyotas and hondas to the availability of ~the right kind~ of coders in japan. compare and contrast with those of us or germany, it'd be a hoot. 1599014;1483846243;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598613 << Until you get a mailing address a better question is "What are the dealbreakers I should look for on a 2003 Saturn L-series?" 1599015;1483846243;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 21:26 gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes? 1599016;1483846260;asciilifeform;(at least the thing wasn't a 'fly by wire', it remains physically possible to steer sans hydraulics, but the sudden wtf may well get you crunching under oncoming traffic or off a bridge ) 1599017;1483846368;asciilifeform; BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?! 1599018;1483846404;asciilifeform;some of the recent machines are rumoured to contain winblowz, even. 1599019;1483846410;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA! Yes. 1599020;1483846464;asciilifeform;'no comp' is a moherfuckng FEATURE 1599021;1483846485;asciilifeform;iirc even recent 'cessna', for instance, had 0 cpu 1599022;1483846501;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598655 << Oh my? And what happened when you hit breaker bar with mallet? That's when things revealed their defects? 1599023;1483846501;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 22:18 ben_vulpes: even the mighty pblaster could not free them 1599024;1483846501;asciilifeform;100% carburetted. 1599025;1483846550;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: for passenger car engine control computer for fuel injection is nearly necessary due to the ethanol dabacle 1599026;1483846603;asciilifeform;the z80 in my old toyota -- worked for 20+ yrs and probably worx even nao 1599027;1483846610;asciilifeform;0 crashes. 1599028;1483846617;asciilifeform;0 detectable bugs. 1599029;1483846659;BingoBoingo;But now "new" includes fucking MSWindows dorkathon instead of actual Radio! 1599030;1483846695;BingoBoingo;And turdscreen is plugged into fuel injection computer 1599031;1483847607;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: no breaker bar necessary, these were 10mm fuckers 1599032;1483847651;ben_vulpes;battery tie down rod simply failed under torsional load: "that...didn't feel like the rust giving way. jesus /fuck/." 1599033;1483847876;ben_vulpes;hah fml my v implementation presses into the same directory as that as which contains the patches and seals 1599034;1483848002;phf;can make vpatches that generate vpatches! it's metacircular 1599035;1483848107;ben_vulpes;if only it could also evaluate itself 1599036;1483848109;ben_vulpes;OH WAIT 1599037;1483848119;ben_vulpes;;) 1599038;1483848146;phf;you just put the lisp code in the same folder 1599039;1483848504;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598770 << Dust kills computer fans as well. 1599040;1483848504;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 00:35 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p people get exposure chalk dust allergy. 1599041;1483848572;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598772 << Cleanliness is the better than coverup, but OMG PineSol's active component is turpentine! Think of the wonder VOCs! 1599042;1483848572;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 00:36 gabriel_laddel_p: for the record, does anyone know of an intelligent person who uses air fresheners/fabreez? 1599043;1483848735;adlai;such puns 1599044;1483848801;asciilifeform;for non-usaschwitzinmates, who have nfi what gabriel_laddel_p was on about: the medieval idiocy of hygiene-via-parfumery is alive and well in this monkeystan 1599045;1483848843;asciilifeform;it is especially entertaining to asciilifeform that this was brought up, because in so far as i can tell the entire masamune thing is precisely an instance thereof, in its domain. 1599046;1483848923;BingoBoingo;lol 1599047;1483848927;asciilifeform;(and yes i watched the film) 1599048;1483848947;asciilifeform;apparently nothing has changed since last saw clim ! 1599049;1483848960;asciilifeform;i can still WATCH the fucking scrollbars draw. 1599050;1483848967;*;BingoBoingo does not have time to watch advertising videos unless they are selling black girl pussy. 1599051;1483849140;asciilifeform;(i will admit that until watching the film i held out hope that g_l ACTUALLY fixed the thing. but turns out -- no dice.) 1599052;1483849246;BingoBoingo;Anyways new Pinesol sucks because "reformulated" now just another perfumed mess of detergents 1599053;1483849256;asciilifeform;and since he's asleep i will predict what he would say, 'stfu, the perfume smells great, even if it is exactly same one you smelled decade ago without me, and i'll get the bubonic plague underneath out later!' 1599054;1483849446;asciilifeform;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p didja ever write down publicly what it was precisely that you did to clim ~other~ than to carve your initials into its flesh ? 1599055;1483849446;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1599056;1483849607;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598946 << i thought that was more of a south korea / banking driven thing, not so much japan 1599057;1483849607;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 02:56 asciilifeform: phf: the part where jp is pathologically, direly, trapped in winblowzland, is actually true. 1599058;1483849614;asciilifeform;also jp. 1599059;1483849667;*;mircea_popescu has nfi, i'll believe. 1599060;1483849700;phf;fwiw i wouldn't say they are "trapped". as i don't think they care about anything else. they don't keep up to date with microsoft modern and bestest. they still release ms stack software with xp compatibility for example 1599061;1483849722;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << just download the fucking archive.is archive zips already omygerd. 1599062;1483849722;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom! 1599063;1483849732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i tried, recall, this. 1599064;1483849736;asciilifeform;got garbage about half the time. 1599065;1483849742;asciilifeform;curl, wget, whichever. same result. 1599066;1483849744;mircea_popescu;you did ? hm. i somehow dun recall. 1599067;1483849750;asciilifeform;forgot the magic-zip thread ? 1599068;1483849752;asciilifeform;july. 1599069;1483849767;asciilifeform;still unsolved enigma. 1599070;1483849773;mircea_popescu;all i recall from it was "alf got problem couldn't be replicated". 1599071;1483849797;asciilifeform;i dun recall anybody but mircea_popescu trying the replicate 1599072;1483849802;asciilifeform;but otherwise yes 1599073;1483849850;asciilifeform;this aside, the most recent thread began with archive.is being ~down~ 1599074;1483849853;phf;i was playing along. i think could unpack it with pkzip, but not the open source equivalent 1599075;1483849861;asciilifeform;lol! 1599076;1483849883;asciilifeform;which one didja use phf -- the msdos one ?! 1599077;1483849929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what he says is what happened, you had broken unzipper wouldn't fix it. which is fine, but also no basis for discussing anything. 1599078;1483849953;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: holy fuck, 'broken', using same one for decade+ with zero incident. 1599079;1483849964;asciilifeform;and fwiw the turd wouldn't unzip on winblowz or crapple either. 1599080;1483849970;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall tracing the problem towards unzip version but giving up under barrage of strange. 1599081;1483849997;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu or anybody else get MY hashed zip to unpack ? 1599082;1483850000;asciilifeform;link to log plox ? 1599083;1483850033;asciilifeform;(and i meant MY zip, as in what came out of my wall plug, and not what-mircea_popescu-got-from-curl) 1599084;1483850034;mircea_popescu;eh. 1599085;1483850041;phf;crapple uses open source code for unzipping. where's i believe pkware eventually open sourced their code too. so now there's two competing versions floating around. 1599086;1483850043;mircea_popescu;but why would i/anyone do that ? 1599087;1483850063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because my working hypothesis was that my copy came from mitmtron. 1599088;1483850085;mircea_popescu;well ok, but what's that do. 1599089;1483850096;mircea_popescu;just get it over diff connection. 1599090;1483850100;asciilifeform;i still have nfi exactly what. it's been backburnered since. 1599091;1483850122;asciilifeform;but it remains that relying on that one rando's box to create the zips, is a dubious thing. 1599092;1483850168;asciilifeform;i'm not certain how it beats, for instance, google. 1599093;1483850177;asciilifeform;or archive.org. or any other creature of heathendom. 1599094;1483850184;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599001 << no dude, this suffers of apocriphal bible issue by now. point was that outsider ~can't distinguish~ between "different" identities in the sense of bit-different or cock-different. 1599095;1483850184;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 03:14 Framedragger: creating an impression of a strong wot and so on, i see. 1599096;1483850201;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it beats it in that it's there. 1599097;1483850222;asciilifeform;well today, for instance, it WASN'T there. 1599098;1483850225;asciilifeform;when it was needed. 1599099;1483850229;mircea_popescu;not everything has or needs a deeply philosophical answer. archive bot should save the urls and get the zips. big whoop. 1599100;1483850240;mircea_popescu;and if they're mitm'd, it's even more valuable, now we get a collection of strange zips. 1599101;1483850249;mircea_popescu;how could that POSSIBLY be an argument against. 1599102;1483850281;asciilifeform;is mircea_popescu really defending a single point of failure being presided over by wotless heathen ? 1599103;1483850287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude the whole discussion was what happens if archive ~goes away~. NOT what happes if archive is down. 1599104;1483850293;mircea_popescu;stop mixing everything together ffs. 1599105;1483850296;asciilifeform;and, iirc, the very same wotless heathen who was responsible for the fate of dulap-1. 1599106;1483850322;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what you're on about on either of these. 1599107;1483850335;asciilifeform;the 'we'll unplug nightly' thing. 1599108;1483850342;mircea_popescu;what about it ? 1599109;1483850352;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you think he did not know ? 1599110;1483850356;mircea_popescu;who's he! 1599111;1483850363;asciilifeform;the archive.is d00d. 1599112;1483850372;asciilifeform;who was subcontractor for that box. 1599113;1483850390;mircea_popescu;look. i dunno what set of assumptions/convictions/determinations of fact you're operating under ehre, but to be plain, the situation as observed from my chair is as follows : 1599114;1483850561;mircea_popescu;a) alf wrote a first version of phuctor, which wasn't very good. this is excusable in that it was a first version, and altogether irrelevant ; b) alf's version being not very good was accidentally exposed through ordinary course of business ; c) alf got very butthurt at this circumstance, and kept whining about it in the logs ; d) having had enough of the whine at some later point, i presented him with the choice of either fi 1599115;1483850561;mircea_popescu;xing his code or going away ; e) so butthurt was alf over his code being no good in some particular and not terribly relevant way, he decided to go away. this caused phuctor to be offline for about a year. f) at some later point, getting a machine in the same datacenter if memory serves, alf declared that remnants from archive.is were found i dun recall how or where. this is entirely possible, and in any case i've not invest 1599116;1483850562;mircea_popescu;igated. 1599117;1483850575;asciilifeform;it was absolutely not-very-good. 1599118;1483850583;asciilifeform;ran in O(N^2). 1599119;1483850621;asciilifeform;but you're missing a letter between c and d, which is where the hoster found out about the particular weakness and started unplugging the box. 1599120;1483850627;mircea_popescu;now - wut of all of this ? maybe it was the same guy, i guess, maybe there was a conspiracy to reboot the server, i guess, maybe etcetera. i'm unconvinced nor do i see it matters any. 1599121;1483850645;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1599122;1483850657;asciilifeform;and granted if this had not happened, i probably would not have gotten off arse and rewritten the thing, and it would be ~useless nao. 1599123;1483850663;mircea_popescu;a cheap explanation would be for instance 1599124;1483850665;asciilifeform;but the perpetrator was still no friend. 1599125;1483850666;mircea_popescu;holy shit check out this idiot. 1599126;1483850675;mircea_popescu;a cheap explanation would be for instance - that archive people hosted in same place, and left for same reason. 1599127;1483850692;mircea_popescu;or whatever thousand others. i have nfi. 1599128;1483850716;mircea_popescu;well i dun think anyone's a friend, including the baker. i've not yet geiger-countered the flour. 1599129;1483850743;asciilifeform;granted that i do not know, if he left, if he stayed, what role he played. at least partly because d00d is not in the wot! and never speaks in the forum. 1599130;1483850751;asciilifeform;which was 100% of my complaint really. 1599131;1483850794;mircea_popescu;i think i shot him an email once which he replied 1599132;1483850802;mircea_popescu;o yeah, cuz i lifted the js for text selection from his site. 1599133;1483850809;mircea_popescu;and iirc reported a bug or something. anyway. 1599134;1483850831;asciilifeform;at any rate i did not say d00d is enemy. only 'not friend.' 1599135;1483850842;asciilifeform;but 'tmsr has no friends but its army and navy' or how did it go. 1599136;1483850869;mircea_popescu;right. anyway, to dispell the possible implication - it's not that i like secretly know whoever runs archive.is 1599137;1483850899;mircea_popescu;i have nfi, item seems to work is the entire extent of the thing ; and i don't specifically know him to be a hitler crony, like i do specifically know archive.org to be a hitler crony. 1599138;1483850906;*;asciilifeform believes. 1599139;1483850943;mircea_popescu;and i see no problem with any other or only other services be used - which iirc i even said when bot spec for archival was drawn, that everyone making one should ideally use a diff service 1599140;1483850953;asciilifeform;speaking of rusty infrastructure, mircea_popescu -- the link to wot on your www appears to still point to mike_c's 1599141;1483850955;mircea_popescu;but for some reason nobody seems to have an alt preference. such as for instance because they don't exist or i have nfi 1599142;1483850980;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc i was waiting for trinque to ok it. 1599143;1483850986;asciilifeform;aah ok 1599144;1483851022;asciilifeform;!#seen trinque 1599145;1483851022;a111;2017-01-07 afk for a while 1599146;1483851034;asciilifeform;lol, just when i needed him!1111 1599147;1483851069;*;asciilifeform will plug the shiny new rewritten phuctorwerker back in when trinque's rss baselinesyncs 1599148;1483851098;asciilifeform;it was tested until it screamed, worx 100%. 1599149;1483851112;asciilifeform;also db scrubbed of all spurious factors. 1599150;1483851138;asciilifeform;(strictly matching the rule of 'f == m and f is not factor of any other m' 1599151;1483851145;asciilifeform;) 1599152;1483851189;BingoBoingo;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Are you ready to take step 1 yet? 1599153;1483851190;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1599154;1483851487;mircea_popescu;cool. anyway, what's teh rush. 1599155;1483851559;asciilifeform;no rush. 1599156;1483851585;*;asciilifeform to bed. 1599157;1483851821;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599017 << in most of europe you're not even allowed to do this. 1599158;1483851821;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 03:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?! 1599159;1483851993;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599050 << are you... atwacted ? 1599160;1483851993;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 04:16 BingoBoingo does not have time to watch advertising videos unless they are selling black girl pussy. 1599161;1483852062;BingoBoingo;Can't let Petrus win! 1599162;1483852095;mircea_popescu;lol fighting petrus by penis ? 1599163;1483852147;BingoBoingo;But women collecting. 1599164;1483852487;BingoBoingo;Gotta beat Petrus by taking his women. 1599165;1483852852;ben_vulpes;!!up liquidassets 1599166;1483852852;deedbot;liquidassets voiced for 30 minutes. 1599167;1483852854;ben_vulpes;where you been 1599168;1483852884;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: did you ever figure out the source of the spuriata? 1599169;1483852957;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: musta missed that firmware recall but tbh honda was never in toyota's league. this honda issue merely reinforces the hierarchy. all is not lost for jp. far from it. 1599170;1483853052;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: that was kinda my joke to him. dude can't afford a house in sv (but who can) so buys $100k suv. hell, makes for better date nights than 250sft loft shared with two other bros. 1599171;1483853053;mircea_popescu;!#s spuriata 1599172;1483853054;a111;1 result for "spuriata", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spuriata 1599173;1483853060;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that ben_vulpes 1599174;1483853071;ben_vulpes;spurious factors 1599175;1483853090;mircea_popescu;vagina dentata, lorica segmentata, res spuriata ? 1599176;1483853093;mircea_popescu;makes sense i guess! 1599177;1483853147;trinque;asciilifeform: I'm back, glass of wine in hand 1599178;1483853256;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski given the sardine living situation and the sad but true levels of machismo in the great swamp, it's a wonder gangbangs aren't the normative accuplation method. 1599179;1483853300;pete_dushenski;too busy pounding github's pussy to bother 1599180;1483853320;pete_dushenski;MUST POUND MORE PUSHES! ONE MORE THRUST! 1599181;1483853337;trinque;I hope you're wrapping it up; that thing's not sanitary 1599182;1483853363;mircea_popescu;incidentally, it's an arrangement a lot more common than generally realised. and not just in the us - most underclass parties consist of hiring one whore for a platoon and fucking her among beer breaks, until daybreak. consequently most cheap whores are well used to "the party of men". 1599183;1483853389;pete_dushenski;trinque: i watched 'sausage party' last night. talking condom was easily creepiest character. 1599184;1483853435;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I hadn't caught up to your witty retort yet 1599185;1483853491;trinque;asciilifeform: RSS back on. 1599186;1483853493;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that this ~isn't~ the norm in maga-land is cause of no small degree of sexual frustration, which manifests in everything from mommy issues to passive aggressiveness 1599187;1483853513;pete_dushenski;but maybe those are the same thing. 1599188;1483853525;mircea_popescu;i said normative. ie, that derpy romcoms aren't using it as "the way". 1599189;1483853625;pete_dushenski;they most certainly aren't, at least last i checked maybe a decade ago 1599190;1483853634;pete_dushenski;can't imagine the situation has ameliorated since 1599191;1483853656;trinque;!!v A479D2A3AB52EE4BD3E7E878A10ECF337E31F962EAB411E59FD25FB03554DFA9 1599192;1483853656;deedbot;trinque rated Framedragger 2 << patient, charitable guy 1599193;1483853674;trinque;that's about all I have to say about those logs. 1599194;1483853852;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: 2003 isn't a bad cut-off for cars manufacturing date. most recent news i heard was that nvidia was teaming up with audi for their next-gen vehicles and that some of the higher-end german models (though not just audi) have upwards of 100 ecus. 1599195;1483853885;phf;nvidia?? 1599196;1483853904;pete_dushenski;http://www.nvidia.ca/object/audi-and-nvidia.html 1599197;1483853926;mircea_popescu;he is nice, isn't he. 1599198;1483853949;*;pete_dushenski has seen 'virtual cockpit' in new audi s3. it's rather nifty even if i wouldn't want to own it. 1599199;1483854013;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: let me guess, blue light everywhere 1599200;1483854028;ben_vulpes;screens with no gamma correction 1599201;1483854034;ben_vulpes;zero regard for night vision of driver 1599202;1483854035;mircea_popescu;oh ffs 1599203;1483854059;ben_vulpes;not "correction", but "yellowing" if it makes less of a ffs 1599204;1483854106;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: actually whole dash turns into map. not overly distracting. big wow-factor. very responsive graphics. 1599205;1483854137;ben_vulpes;heh this is how the industry moves to automated cars 1599206;1483854148;ben_vulpes;they make the non automated cars utterly unsafe to drive 1599207;1483854158;mircea_popescu;could be. 1599208;1483854159;ben_vulpes;yes please, random screen twiddling in my peripheral vision while i drive 1599209;1483854169;ben_vulpes;yes please, blue light and screens at night while i drive 1599210;1483854179;mircea_popescu;it's not altogether a bad plan, monkeys utterly unable to resist shiny 1599211;1483854210;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you may be amused, rumor suggests mandatory backup cams in the near future 1599212;1483854230;ben_vulpes;there will be no escaping computers and screens and soi-disant 'cockpits' 1599213;1483854287;ben_vulpes;and to think, i left an entire industry because one engineer at the firm when questioned about wasting money on a brand new vw microshitbox said "i just think everyone should own a brand new car once in their lifetime" 1599214;1483854305;mircea_popescu;heh 1599215;1483854306;ben_vulpes;and now, i will likely never buy a new vehicle. 1599216;1483854323;liquidassets;ben_vulpes assuming you were talking to me just getting back from a 3 week vacation, back to South Cascadia. I'm going to go read through your blog, haven't spent much time there yet, but looks like a new look? Cheers. 1599217;1483854325;mircea_popescu;mandatory cam in car eh ? stop dem darn kids fucking in there! and smoking too! 1599218;1483854346;ben_vulpes;liquidassets: nah, just haven't seen you in the forum for a while up until that connection. 1599219;1483854356;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it points *backwards* 1599220;1483854394;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: https://youtu.be/x26lInlnpm4?t=2m6s 1599221;1483854399;mircea_popescu;yet. 1599222;1483854408;ben_vulpes;but yeah, possibly a market for "cloud-backup" dash/full 360 streaming hardware 1599223;1483854429;ben_vulpes;lol fuckin gross pete_dushenski 1599224;1483854441;pete_dushenski;ha! 1599225;1483854445;ben_vulpes;gimme back my tach and speedo 1599226;1483854457;ben_vulpes;there are 2 important readings in a car, and one of 'em can be had from your butt. 1599227;1483854462;phf;hehe, girl spent minutes once hunting through menus because was so pissed off at camera potentially putting in question her backing skills.. 1599228;1483854464;ben_vulpes;speed, and how hard the engine is working. 1599229;1483854472;phf;it was a vacation rental.. 1599230;1483854508;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: on the topic of dashboards, $bzprtnr got a 2012 wrx 1599231;1483854511;ben_vulpes;best thing about the car? 1599232;1483854517;ben_vulpes;passenger cannot see speedo. 1599233;1483854521;ben_vulpes;2nd best thing about car? 1599234;1483854523;ben_vulpes;NO FUCKING SCREENS 1599235;1483854534;ben_vulpes;3rd would be the turbo 1599236;1483854541;ben_vulpes;bitch /pulls/ 1599237;1483854561;pete_dushenski;solid 1599238;1483854572;liquidassets;I'm around, mostly trying to keep up. Doin my thing, thanks for saying what's up. 1599239;1483854575;ben_vulpes;still, plastic nightmare of a modern car. 1599240;1483854578;*;ben_vulpes waves at $bzprtnr 1599241;1483854609;ben_vulpes;CLIM CLIM CLIM 1599242;1483854615;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: even $100k lexus suffers from plastikitis, esp in doors compared to classic benzo 1599243;1483854626;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: dude it's everywhere 1599244;1483854631;gabriel_laddel_p;pete_dushenski: okay, now what about the Cayman GT4? 1599245;1483854672;ben_vulpes;aren't porsches like a cheap expensive watch? 1599246;1483854679;ben_vulpes;see ya round liquidassets 1599247;1483854695;gabriel_laddel_p;nfi, let's hear from the expert. 1599248;1483854697;ben_vulpes;something lawyers buy to feel like not-new-money? 1599249;1483854699;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: and does your $bzprtnr actually read logs ??! fuck me if i new anyone in meatspace who read these. not that i'd be embarrased but that i'd have so much more in common with them! 1599250;1483854724;ben_vulpes;with decent frequency 1599251;1483854749;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel_p: well whaddya wanna know about them ? and were you actually satisfied by my answer re: cayenne ?? 1599252;1483854750;ben_vulpes;if i tell him there was an ice or crypto or ruin of usg thread he'll eat a few weeks in one sitting 1599253;1483854766;gabriel_laddel_p;pete_dushenski: not even slightly. I wanted to know your thoughts. How do you /feel/ about it. 1599254;1483854774;ben_vulpes;bbl, unholy quantities of meat have arrived 1599255;1483854790;gabriel_laddel_p;pete_dushenski: does it do anything for you on a visceral level 1599256;1483854814;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel_p: lol! what am i, a efnj ? 1599257;1483854845;*;pete_dushenski doesn't see how cayenne can make anyone's blood pump. 1599258;1483854870;pete_dushenski;cayman gt4 would never be kicked out of bed however 1599259;1483854875;gabriel_laddel_p;aha! 1599260;1483854885;gabriel_laddel_p;that's _fucking exactly_ my own thoughts 1599261;1483854906;gabriel_laddel_p;I saw the gt4 the other day and... no car has ever tugged at my soul before 1599262;1483854924;pete_dushenski;with the caveat... for a new porsche. in the breed, in the class, it's a tight, sexy, and sorta unrivaled package. selling over list last i checked too. 1599263;1483855041;pete_dushenski;could i think of better ways to spend ? $125k or whatever a gt4 is ? sure. but /me can still barely fathom whether gabriel_laddel_p is sitting on inheritence or if he expects masamune to be ~that~ big a success or if he's poster shopping for bedroom ceiling. 1599264;1483855050;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I have done very little to CLIM the library thus far - mostly creating, organizing and DOCUMENTING examples of what one can do with it. 1599265;1483855108;*;pete_dushenski guiltily plays 'someday i'll buy x' game and doesn't begrudge others who do similarly 1599266;1483855162;gabriel_laddel_p;pete_dushenski: have you ever wanted your car to list off a bunch of facts scraped from the web when you cross into a new jurisdiction? 1599267;1483855190;gabriel_laddel_p;like, population count, size of government, estimated GB of total law, # of sheriff, police, murders, rapes, assults etc? 1599268;1483855199;gabriel_laddel_p;spoken to you via a "siri" type thing that doesn't suck? 1599269;1483855224;pete_dushenski;i have never wanted this, no. 1599270;1483855245;gabriel_laddel_p;oh okay, well anyways that's the train of thought I'm exploring. 1599271;1483855287;pete_dushenski;interesting. i guess i'd be skeptical of the source of the info at the very least. 1599272;1483855340;pete_dushenski;also, of your list, only population is a curious itch i'd want to scratch. the rest is sorta neither here nor there if i'm passing through on a road trip or what have you 1599273;1483855343;trinque;porsche may produce one car. 1599274;1483855355;trinque;these fucking SUVs and sedans and whatever, the fuck? 1599275;1483855375;trinque;yes because must mass market soccer mom everything 1599276;1483855388;pete_dushenski;trinque: economies of scale. 1599277;1483855431;pete_dushenski;also, lotsa people with money live where it's miserably cold most of the time. why let other companies sell you a winter vehicle ? 1599278;1483855505;pete_dushenski;should mazda also only make miata because every else they make is garbage by comparison, even if it's class leading in a number of cases ? 1599279;1483855533;pete_dushenski;or vw only make gti ? or ford only f-150 ? 1599280;1483856018;trinque;dad had a beautiful '79 911 for a good while 1599281;1483856020;trinque;I'm heavily biased 1599282;1483856112;pete_dushenski;can't blame you there 1599283;1483856276;pete_dushenski;https://youtu.be/0OJjvYPV3oc?t=1m26s << yet another reason to avoid newer german cars (yes, the reich-gripped really are the worst offenders) : all-led lights. not just led drl and halogen/xenon high beams. the entire corners of cars will soon be led clusters with sophisticated programming that will selectively block light from shining in the eyes of on-coming traffic for example 1599284;1483856312;phf;what a time to be alive 1599285;1483856641;pete_dushenski;http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-toyota-land-cruiser-fj62/ << one last throwback for trinque and ben_vulpes 1599286;1483856673;pete_dushenski;now, to waterbath (not prince) and bed 1599287;1483857609;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/361913D8979B694069198CEA08D18AC8C76B935CB3B788954720AB0EA76555E2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...4543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '197.221.53.230 (ssh-rsa key from 197.221.53.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZA) 1599288;1483857609;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/689DD6526FE5FD7061CC870C3AEE48708AB19FB63255BEEAF69C76E8EB275D85 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...4543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '162.221.201.243 (ssh-rsa key from 162.221.201.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CA BC) 1599289;1483857609;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26CD3C2757BFF9669BD855ABC65060F16D18FDB7B80BA8496EB392C5A1F1BFB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1108...0427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.23.183.157 (ssh-rsa key from 184.23.183.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (184-23-183-157.dynamic.dsl.mlode.com. US CA) 1599290;1483858706;ben_vulpes;fuuuuuck pete that's a truck 1599291;1483858719;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6DEC7B012B39890A0325453579049FC94061796B14A0C8ED61E4D575B26D4FB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...9869 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.126.180.248 (ssh-rsa key from 75.126.180.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (adfotain.net. US TX) 1599292;1483858848;ben_vulpes;LET THE PHUCTORING RESUME 1599293;1483858872;ben_vulpes;in other meat, holy shiksa brisket buttman 1599294;1483859637;ben_vulpes;#clim report, day whatever: #clim appears to be 90% join/part spam from reineisch, 9% j/p from others, and 1% this beach feller saying "good morning everyone" 1599295;1483860340;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCC50E7FFDDD45A5928D7D7375C2E01383174DA0A3B8C3113464B3D09D7F35A0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...3113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.44.244 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.44.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (CSR749SBC-InFi-HuBe-Or-Ca-c2932-Love2Learn-FW. US CA) 1599296;1483860340;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A71B5781B8BBAD9214FDE34ACCE621D3B5AA118EB962DF1814FD7D26BFFC7AF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...0837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.200.229.133 (ssh-rsa key from 37.200.229.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown OM) 1599297;1483860340;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/34F88784CBE3A1C9FE5FC15F8FF3E193F70A1E08FE7611EC5614D071F848BBAD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1596...4093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.164.4.178 (ssh-rsa key from 213.164.4.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.a-trust.at. AT 9) 1599298;1483860413;trinque;http://i.imgur.com/gl2SCbX.jpg << speaking of toyota trucks, bought this guy 1599299;1483860448;trinque;fucking love the thing, roars, moves lesser machines to the side as if by magic. 1599300;1483860525;trinque;that is beautiful paint on the land cruiser. 1599301;1483860880;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94) 1599302;1483860880;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/163690110BB2F01EE38E324C90C6FB9BA5AED5D15A8C51E69FBF8B1803EC5626 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1623...3623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.42.115.88 (ssh-rsa key from 195.42.115.88 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (doofaberglucklich. DE) 1599303;1483860880;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/40776E84A758AD819BF5F53DF459608C36946FE1F78EFA384C381205876A22CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1703...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.71 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (113x35x199x71.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13) 1599304;1483861152;ben_vulpes;hm 1599305;1483861203;ben_vulpes;i realize in this moment that i did not miss the phuctorings. 1599306;1483861420;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AE6B4639A4016CFD59C865FD786F5D2437E49B15DD9C9EB41E6143642FCB5EAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...9827 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.31.229.178 (ssh-rsa key from 195.31.229.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT) 1599307;1483861420;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F035B7DD7EBC023C9A24740A9F3C48EA8F895047D43806B4CA7835ACCB3E4288 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...4409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.62.236.67 (ssh-rsa key from 93.62.236.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (93-62-236-67.ip24.fastwebnet.it. IT TO 21) 1599308;1483861773;ben_vulpes;aha, i have made a mistake! 1599309;1483861855;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels and http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels were ground diffing directories a/ and b/ with the relevant files therein, and the genesis patches for both trees ground from directories called 'ircbot' and 'logbot' respectively containing the relevant files 1599310;1483861865;ben_vulpes;s/passive voice/active voice 1599311;1483861949;ben_vulpes;trinque may confirm: i believe that this is due to asciilifeform grinding (trb-)genesis.vpatch from an a/ and b/ containing a directory 'bitcoin' 1599312;1483861959;ben_vulpes;and trinque following precedent 1599313;1483862020;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2398E0817D454688D06524E1B99CCE125A5E4D5E4DB5FBEFBE1BBE65BDA99AB4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1785...9937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '150.187.4.208 (ssh-rsa key from 150.187.4.208 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown VE A) 1599314;1483862102;ben_vulpes;now, the patches apply cleanly if the patch utility is not passed -p1, but this makes for much floppiness. 1599315;1483862266;ben_vulpes;a question i have been wondering about for long is "why does the trb tree sit in a 'bitcoin' directory, wherever it's pressed", but it is not particularly irrelevant. 1599316;1483862388;ben_vulpes;so duh, vdiff does not guarantee patches will be sensible in a v tree, and it is incumbent upon a patch-grinder to ensure their patches actually apply cleanly. 1599317;1483862560;ben_vulpes;i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out 1599318;1483862589;ben_vulpes;psa: always press your vpatches 1599319;1483866718;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598817 <<< never use ovh 1599320;1483866718;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 01:10 ben_vulpes: hey ovh why does it take more than fifteen seconds to charge a cc? what do you use, bitcoin? 1599321;1483866807;ben_vulpes;v timely, ty davout 1599322;1483866865;davout;told you online.net was eating ovh's lunch 1599323;1483866946;ben_vulpes;you said "online is ovh's waifu" and i said "i have nfi what that oldfag gibberish means" 1599324;1483866994;davout;i saud " online is basically fucking ovh's waifu" 1599325;1483867009;ben_vulpes;yeah i see where i misread there now. 1599326;1483867009;davout;maybe not very clear 1599327;1483867017;davout;but either way 1599328;1483867027;ben_vulpes;i did ask for clarification though 1599329;1483867051;davout;ovh is a french company, stands for "on vous héberge" and are basically the niggers of the hosting business here in france 1599330;1483867051;ben_vulpes;cheap lesson, no harm incurred so far. 1599331;1483867117;davout;run by octave klaba, some fatso who has an extremely strong karpeles-like aura 1599332;1483867178;ben_vulpes;funny, i had that thought when his photo went by in a link earlier today 1599333;1483867277;davout;they got their passord reset interface haxxored sometime in 2013 1599334;1483867299;davout;"oh, guess only the last few characters of the password reset token are actually random" 1599335;1483867327;ben_vulpes;great 1599336;1483867351;davout;see for example https://mineforeman.com/2013/04/24/slushs-bitcoin-mining-pool-hacked/ 1599337;1483867388;davout;ah, this article doesn't really elaborate on the OVH part I guess 1599338;1483867413;netmonk;the main issue with ovh is their ddos anti system 1599339;1483867438;netmonk;difficult to deal with massive ddos for a stratum based protocol 1599340;1483867449;davout;netmonk: the main issue with ovh is that they are niggers. unfit to do whatever they're postering as doing 1599341;1483867451;ben_vulpes;i like the notion of an anti-system 1599342;1483867452;netmonk;as cloudflare isnt working well with it. 1599343;1483867475;netmonk;online has arbornetwork, and this solution is very efficient with ddos and stratum 1599344;1483867518;netmonk;ben_vulpes: sorry, not enough caffein right not, "anti-ddos system" 1599345;1483867555;netmonk;to make it short : ovh is good for hosting wp blog, online for the rest :) 1599346;1483867615;netmonk;davout: but, at least, they run a very big platform, and they reach a very good state of automation, with fast CI. 1599347;1483867628;netmonk;i dont know much on their custemer support and product 1599348;1483867651;netmonk;but on the backstage part, they have very interesting point and technology in use 1599349;1483867682;netmonk;you dont manage 500k servers like you manage the 10 servers of paymium 1599350;1483867688;netmonk;to make it short ! 1599351;1483867736;davout;i never claimed to be in the hosting business wtf 1599352;1483867969;netmonk;:) 1599353;1483869702;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/correction-multiple-channel-patches-for-irclogbot << CH - CORRECTION: multiple channel patches for irc/logbot 1599354;1483881973;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594569 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594581 << since most of those are 502s, yes those URLs can be exempted - i am a bit wary of introducing blacklist / ad hoc rules - after all, those phuctor URLs can later be re-archived, what's the pain - but maybe it's strainful to phuctor? 1599355;1483881973;a111;Logged on 2016-12-31 03:55 asciilifeform: i recommend to exempt it from the usual treatment, trinque et al, until i invent some radically new mechanism for the thing to work on, instead of postgres. 1599356;1483881973;a111;Logged on 2016-12-31 03:56 asciilifeform: somebody is 1599357;1483882283;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599242 << the last car i owned was e200. which i think is still in production and also a fine car in all respects. 1599358;1483882283;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 05:50 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: even $100k lexus suffers from plastikitis, esp in doors compared to classic benzo 1599359;1483882359;mircea_popescu;course ytou can't get the nice w200s faces anymore i don't think. because fucking "progress" 1599360;1483882489;mircea_popescu;before that, s class, the nice 500 90s series, but then it went to shit. 1599361;1483882538;mircea_popescu;(these i used to buy like bitcoins in the early 2000s, possibly best car ever made.) 1599362;1483882809;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599268 << no. for the low low cost of adding a woman to sit next to the woman driving, i could have implemented this years ago. but honestly if the car came so equipped i'd fucking shoot the siri girl to fix the car. horrible fucking idea. 1599363;1483882809;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 05:59 gabriel_laddel_p: spoken to you via a "siri" type thing that doesn't suck? 1599364;1483882892;mircea_popescu;and it's not ~just~ a horrible idea. it comes from a thorougly broken thought process. i'm not in fuckign school, to be informed via a push interface. i am an adult, i will pull for what i want. the only thing the world may do or should do is spread WHEN I SAY. and at no other point. 1599365;1483882908;mircea_popescu;sex, food, knowledge, anything. i'll pull and don't fucking dare push anything on me. ever. 1599366;1483883203;mircea_popescu;this formalizes the problem with guis, "oh but mp, did you know you can italicize text ???" yes bitch, i fucking know about text italicizing. "no but maybe you forgot, here's a 60x60 pixel square on your screen shooting photons at your retina 60/60/24/7 so you remember". what the fuck am i supposed to be, a frog ? that my brain has no remanence, entirely powered off the visual field ? 1599367;1483883240;mircea_popescu;i don't need a fucking power button to recall i can turn off the box, i can type shutdown just fine. 1599368;1483883668;mircea_popescu;and the other thing : that entire "it is unclear whether people aiming to make an artificial friend have seriously considered the much cheaper, ordinary kind" which i can't fucking find in the log for some reason goes A LOT deeper than generally realised. it's not "oh, i'm not discussing ai so it's not about me". yes, IT IS about you. if the software you're contemplating aims to take fifty hours of engineer work to replace fi 1599369;1483883668;mircea_popescu;ve hours of 20yo receptionist work, you're smack drab in the middle of exactly it. (and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285777 ) 1599370;1483883668;a111;Logged on 2015-09-25 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285635 << exactly the wrong kind of fucking ai. a) not actually intelligent ; b) negative - the last thing i fucking want to see is mechanically powered women nagging ; c) not self contained - at least the stupid nag you can beat into the ground. 1599371;1483888103;mircea_popescu;phf any idea on how to replicate Framedragger 's logger multiline selection thing without the hassle ? maybe something like "first click, highlights line ; second click, highlights area ; third click, highlights line within area" or such ? 1599372;1483888113;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599368 << >> http://yosefk.com/blog/high-level-cpu-follow-up.html 1599373;1483888113;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 13:54 mircea_popescu: and the other thing : that entire "it is unclear whether people aiming to make an artificial friend have seriously considered the much cheaper, ordinary kind" which i can't fucking find in the log for some reason goes A LOT deeper than generally realised. it's not "oh, i'm not discussing ai so it's not about me". yes, IT IS about you. if the software you're contemplating aims to take fifty hours of engineer work to replace fi 1599374;1483888121;mircea_popescu;turns out that his thing is actually very useful when quoting towards the periphery. 1599375;1483888135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ty! 1599376;1483888136;Framedragger;see i told you it'd be useful ;) 1599377;1483888141;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1599378;1483888170;Framedragger;fwiw i had the first click + second click => range thing but it confused you (and others) into accidentally selecting ranges unintentionally. third click may make sense.. 1599379;1483888174;mircea_popescu;Framedragger but do it like that you know, nude url + click -> highlights that line ; highlighted line url + click -> highlights between the two. like a state machine based on url schema 1599380;1483888177;asciilifeform;'It is my opinion that the fans of this family of hardware/vaporware, consistent advocates of The New Age of Computing, have serious AI problems. Here's a sample quote on cellular automata: "I guess they really are like us." Well, if you want to build a computing device in order to have a relationship with it, maybe a cellular automaton will do the trick. Although I'd recommend to first check the fine selection of Homo Sapiens we have 1599381;1483888177;asciilifeform; features you'd like in a friend, a foe, a spouse or an employee already built-in, while computer hardware has a certain gap to fill in this department.' 1599382;1483888194;mircea_popescu;Framedragger no problem is you did it on the same page. add url-based state. 1599383;1483888230;mircea_popescu;this is the fundamental idiocy of "responsive" "2.0" web, ajax etc : the fucking model is 1 page = 1 state. that's the only sane way to have state over stateless http 1599384;1483888281;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: so you mean that if one were to click on a line which falls in a previously-selected range (of highlighted lines), the anchor would be adjusted but the overall highlight range would be preserved, too? 1599385;1483888305;mircea_popescu;and i must be able to figure out the state by looking at the url, which is why POST is not better than GET but much, MUCH worse, and why it was pushed as part of "ssl", typical usg-tardism 1599386;1483888321;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i do. 1599387;1483888329;Framedragger;(because that'd make sense; anchor always remaining on the first line of range is not always intuitive) 1599388;1483888330;Framedragger;aha. 1599389;1483888337;mircea_popescu;and if they click outside the range, go back to state 1 1599390;1483888379;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599385 << thought the same when i was implementing this, hence one also being able to manually define range which imo is mandatory requirement. no hidden state 1599391;1483888379;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 15:11 mircea_popescu: and i must be able to figure out the state by looking at the url, which is why POST is not better than GET but much, MUCH worse, and why it was pushed as part of "ssl", typical usg-tardism 1599392;1483888386;*;mircea_popescu can;'t fucking believe we're stuck importing 1996 www and forking it ffs. 1599393;1483888410;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yeah but typing-into-urlbar is distress signal. 1599394;1483888424;mircea_popescu;rule #1 of mp-ux 1599395;1483888451;Framedragger;well i had it turned on until it pissed you off, so now it's manual-only. but you're right re. third-click adjusting anchor, maybe that's what's missing. would indeed be useful to see this in btcbase logs 1599396;1483888473;Framedragger;(i'd use it, too) 1599397;1483888495;Framedragger;(argument against this is that it does import a bit of complexity, of course) 1599398;1483888520;mircea_popescu;Framedragger may be my weird set-up, but in my memory your page never worked as described here ? 1599399;1483888599;mircea_popescu;oooohhh i know wtf it was! see, what it was was this : you DID have it this way, but then i'd highlight one line or follow someone else's highlight, and i'd RIGHT CLICK another line, and this'd result in a range. 1599400;1483888612;Framedragger;right click?? 1599401;1483888614;mircea_popescu;whereas my intention was to result in a new single line highlight. yes yes i see. 1599402;1483888621;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's what the fuck it was. 1599403;1483888622;Framedragger;indeed 1599404;1483888637;Framedragger;only way to unset range was to click on line above range 1599405;1483888638;mircea_popescu;dude, so clicking and copying a link are semantically separate in my head but obviously the same thing to browser. 1599406;1483888643;Framedragger;then it'd raturn to stage 1 1599407;1483888649;Framedragger;brb food 1599408;1483888661;mircea_popescu;am i the only one incidentally, who sees this separation ? 1599409;1483888678;mircea_popescu;in an attempt to fix/improve republican infrastructure, mircea_popescu discovered his head is broken. 1599410;1483888713;Framedragger;eh well, an 'unset range' button (or range manipulation buttons) would help. (but then, those'd work over POST, so hidden state..) 1599411;1483888714;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's why i got so fucking furious. 1599412;1483888720;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599354 << let it be as it was, at the usual rate of phuctoring, it is not an issue 1599413;1483888720;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 13:26 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594569 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594581 << since most of those are 502s, yes those URLs can be exempted - i am a bit wary of introducing blacklist / ad hoc rules - after all, those phuctor URLs can later be re-archived, what's the pain - but maybe it's strainful to phuctor? 1599414;1483888745;asciilifeform;(handful in a day) 1599415;1483888806;asciilifeform;and if it becomes an issue, i'll throttle the output on my end. (and some time quite soon i will be putting a series of db tweaks in, as recommended by various folx here) 1599416;1483888836;mircea_popescu;Framedragger how about adding a · in between timestamp and speaker, so that timestamp is still lined as now, but the dot is linked to make range ? 1599417;1483888962;mircea_popescu;( Framedragger and if you work on it, moving away from the " " to the bolded-name-colon convention would also be very nice. 1599418;1483889036;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599316 << noshit.jpg 1599419;1483889036;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 07:59 ben_vulpes: so duh, vdiff does not guarantee patches will be sensible in a v tree, and it is incumbent upon a patch-grinder to ensure their patches actually apply cleanly. 1599420;1483889176;mircea_popescu;( Framedragger and also, hour ticks in the shape of a
; and also - gray out the bot lines.) 1599421;1483889246;mircea_popescu;and also, why the fuck does nobody teach women how to hold a glass. http://68.media.tumblr.com/48c7aea33c3fd93c9453bf97e841dea0/tumblr_mrvieauTfV1rfycyjo1_1280.jpg 1599422;1483889361;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599369 << interestingly, the americans put an electric nag, 'bitching betty', in the f16. but iirc it only switches on if you're doing something lethally stupid . 1599423;1483889361;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 13:54 mircea_popescu: ve hours of 20yo receptionist work, you're smack drab in the middle of exactly it. (and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285777 ) 1599424;1483889389;mircea_popescu;the reasoning hopefully being that by then, rage can't possibly hurt anything. 1599425;1483889396;asciilifeform;aha. 1599426;1483889424;asciilifeform;it utters phrases like 'trajectory meets ground in 10 seconds' etc. 1599427;1483889480;mircea_popescu;fighter jet being on trajectory that flies into terrain in 10 seconds is exactly the opposite of lethally stupid. 1599428;1483889486;mircea_popescu;it's not a fucking airliner. 1599429;1483889500;mircea_popescu;and there is to this day no better missile defense than air-ground effects. 1599430;1483889686;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ack 1599431;1483889702;asciilifeform;10 is a bit pushing it. but IANAP. 1599432;1483889702;mircea_popescu;&thumbsup; 1599433;1483889717;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599416 << so only the dot would create/alter ranges, right? aha sounds good 1599434;1483889717;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 15:20 mircea_popescu: Framedragger how about adding a · in between timestamp and speaker, so that timestamp is still lined as now, but the dot is linked to make range ? 1599435;1483889727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most "under radar" missions are "if you stall, you also die" 1599436;1483889741;asciilifeform;this , yes 1599437;1483889750;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the dot would create range, if a line is already highlighted. 1599438;1483889774;mircea_popescu;and remove range, otherwise 1599439;1483889817;Framedragger;right. sounds clean to me 1599440;1483889829;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599301 << davout: any idea what is 'epitech' ? this box is live, appears to be its job appl. portal. 1599441;1483889829;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 07:34 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94) 1599442;1483889843;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well it's a big thing, because if you're off radar you can be targetted by individual experts carrying 3 to 8 shots each ; and if you're on the radar you can be targetted by technicians carrying 64 to 256 shots each. 1599443;1483889865;Framedragger;(before, i had this idea of user being able to alter ranges very simply; but obviously there was the whole confusion of "i want to alter anchor" vs. "i want to alter range" function when clicking on timestamp, which sucked.) 1599444;1483889922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall belenko, the runaway d00d? famously longest off-radar run, flew to jp at, what was it, 10m above ocean 1599445;1483890126;mircea_popescu;some,thing like that yeah. 1599446;1483890152;mircea_popescu;and "10m over ocean" is you know... ONE WAVE getting close enough to spray in your intake and it's bye bye 1599447;1483890181;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yeah, and i didn't even realise at the time wtf was happening. 1599448;1483890387;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/dickens/ 1599449;1483890585;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599298 << ahahaha trinque is such a texan. wtf is that, "couldn't decide if i want a rape van or a deer hunting truck so i got both" ? 1599450;1483890585;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 07:26 trinque: http://i.imgur.com/gl2SCbX.jpg << speaking of toyota trucks, bought this guy 1599451;1483890701;BingoBoingo;Trinque got a very lordly vehicle indeed 1599452;1483890761;mircea_popescu;does it come with .50 caliber m2 as a factory option ? 1599453;1483890901;BingoBoingo;It has bed, mounting armament is post-dealer option 1599454;1483890955;BingoBoingo;Ladder frame perfect for securing weapon mount. 1599455;1483891104;asciilifeform;bed looks rather small on the picture tho 1599456;1483891117;mircea_popescu;yeah browning goes on roof. 1599457;1483891125;mircea_popescu;booty goes on bed. 1599458;1483891274;asciilifeform;there apparently exist trucks now where the bed is barely larger than ordinary car's boot 1599459;1483891295;asciilifeform;a strange cargo-cultism. 1599460;1483891332;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599317 << eh relax, the whole point of prototyping is to prototype. 1599461;1483891332;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 08:02 ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out 1599462;1483891372;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there apparently exist beds now where the bed is barely larger than an ordinary couch. progress, dood. 1599463;1483891437;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599168 << two separate sets of crapola. the 'factor == modulus' thing was on account of the way i made the debian 8ball, with (product of Ps of possible keys) being one, and (product of Qs...) being another. but there turned out to exist debianized mods where BOTH factors were drawn from Pproduct (or alternatively Qproduct) and gcd ended up equaling the mod, a case that was not (formerly) tested for 1599464;1483891437;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 05:21 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you ever figure out the source of the spuriata? 1599465;1483891437;asciilifeform; because wtf. 1599466;1483891469;mircea_popescu;or even comprehended to exist. 1599467;1483891484;asciilifeform;the barf wave, however, resulted from two werker runs that overwrote one another's working temp sets on disk. another wtf, that should not have been possible, added locking. 1599468;1483891509;mircea_popescu;aaa 1599469;1483891585;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599329 << iirc they're the most important single source of spam/probing/assorted script kiddery on the nets. 1599470;1483891585;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 09:17 davout: ovh is a french company, stands for "on vous héberge" and are basically the niggers of the hosting business here in france 1599471;1483891587;asciilifeform;(the ~standard~ 8ball, with the primorial from 2...infinity, grew large enough that it slows down werker run to about 5 hours ! ) 1599472;1483891618;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform q : does it exclude factors already found in moduli ? 1599473;1483891656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it does not need to 1599474;1483891669;asciilifeform;(and it would be extremely impractical to divide it, the thing is a GB+ and counting) 1599475;1483891675;mircea_popescu;aha 1599476;1483891684;mircea_popescu;how many is that ? 3mn ish ? 1599477;1483891871;asciilifeform;5799979789 as of 5min ago. 1599478;1483891871;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599342 << using cloudflare is not unlike using mercury-based syphilis cures. 1599479;1483891871;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 09:24 netmonk: as cloudflare isnt working well with it. 1599480;1483891890;asciilifeform;(last prime) 1599481;1483891892;mircea_popescu;5.8bn primes ? oh 1599482;1483891928;asciilifeform;btw i discovered a 1000x speedup for 8ballator. but have not deployed yet, because, comically, it will rapidly sink the entire machine 1599483;1483891969;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599349 << i find this odd, because i add two numbers the same way i add 2 million numbers. don't you ? 1599484;1483891969;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 09:28 netmonk: you dont manage 500k servers like you manage the 10 servers of paymium 1599485;1483892613;mircea_popescu;and of course all the outbound links on yosefk.com linked above are gone. 1599486;1483892860;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599440 <<< french it engineering school, pretty much where all the autists go 1599487;1483892860;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 15:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599301 << davout: any idea what is 'epitech' ? this box is live, appears to be its job appl. portal. 1599488;1483893458;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/fewZO << holy shit bulletin boards were a crime against humanity. how the fuck was this permitted to exiswt. 1599489;1483894030;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599455 << had trouble finding the exact variant, bed is more like http://zoneoffroad.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/zone-offroad-005.jpg but slightly different cab 1599490;1483894030;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 15:58 asciilifeform: bed looks rather small on the picture tho 1599491;1483894034;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599449 << lol mega-apt 1599492;1483894034;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 15:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599298 << ahahaha trinque is such a texan. wtf is that, "couldn't decide if i want a rape van or a deer hunting truck so i got both" ? 1599493;1483894092;trinque;also, can pull traditional heavy-drinking lake machines around. very important. 1599494;1483894628;trinque;congrats to asciilifeform on phuctor's return. bbl 1599495;1483895389;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26CD3C2757BFF9669BD855ABC65060F16D18FDB7B80BA8496EB392C5A1F1BFB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1086...2029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.23.183.157 (ssh-rsa key from 184.23.183.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (184-23-183-157.dynamic.dsl.mlode.com. US CA) 1599496;1483895477;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599371 << i've been thinking about this problem, because range select is very handy, but i haven't figured out a way to make it not confusing. specifically the "stickiness" where you catch a range and can't get rid of it. can implement the traditional select semantics like shift-click to activate a range? 1599497;1483895477;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 15:08 mircea_popescu: phf any idea on how to replicate Framedragger 's logger multiline selection thing without the hassle ? maybe something like "first click, highlights line ; second click, highlights area ; third click, highlights line within area" or such ? 1599498;1483895522;phf;and then once you have a range and trying to get rid of it, if you have a screen full of range, you have to go through the whole "scroll till no range, select arbitrary line" thing 1599499;1483895543;asciilifeform;what's wrong with 'esc' key 1599500;1483895617;phf;you have a choice to represent everything with a "click" procedure that activates things on backend (by altering get parameters), or you go frontend in which case welcome to the javascript hell 1599501;1483895626;phf;though i like the idea of esc 1599502;1483895661;phf;but if you're going javascript frontend then might as well go full modifier mode. shift to select, command click to move cursor inside selection, etc. 1599503;1483895752;asciilifeform;also i am slightly puzzled re mircea_popescu liking line-based trad diff but not line-based log quoter. 1599504;1483895764;asciilifeform;(else why this selection thing is needed?) 1599505;1483895910;phf;well, mp is presumably trying to solve a problem of quoting large conversations. our thread links for example go for one liners, but require extra effort to figure out where the conversation starts and where it ends, etc. 1599506;1483895936;asciilifeform;every large conversation has a start. why not quote that. 1599507;1483895950;asciilifeform;(is what i typically do, at any rate.) 1599508;1483895963;asciilifeform;this is ~exactly~ the line-diff problem. 1599509;1483896049;phf;sometimes i want to address specific point in a context of a larger conversation. when i speak here it's usually enough to just point into conversation, but mp with his audience perhaps requires more contextualization 1599510;1483896167;phf;last i ran into this yesterday for example here http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598392 i'm responding to line http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598295 but i quote one above it, as a pointer to the whole thread instead to establish context 1599511;1483896167;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 18:21 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings, the bulk of actual technology needed to recreate probably somewhere on a TAPE. i don't know where you got that mask generator runs on scheme83. the entire production stack was for mit cadr 1599512;1483896167;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:50 asciilifeform: published design, and not only design, but the mask generator (runs on, i shit thee not, itself, also) 1599513;1483896469;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/942206EDACAB8A5655A9A41A9ABDBB5F6B9D49BBAF4C110588AE1D583FE5C47F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1354...4319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.208.74.84 (ssh-rsa key from 67.208.74.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US VA) 1599514;1483896469;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6DEC7B012B39890A0325453579049FC94061796B14A0C8ED61E4D575B26D4FB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1355...3167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.126.180.248 (ssh-rsa key from 75.126.180.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (adfotain.net. US TX) 1599515;1483896506;mod6;mornin' 1599516;1483896513;asciilifeform;hey mod6 . 1599517;1483896544;mod6;phuctor is back up i see. cool! 1599518;1483896572;asciilifeform;mod6: aha, the postmortem is in today's log 1599519;1483896580;asciilifeform;in today's wtf noose: asciilifeform learned that the 1750A cpu is still made and sold today!! 1599520;1483896596;asciilifeform;(though so far i found only 'golden toilet' vendors, e.g., http://www.pyramidsemiconductor.com/products/microprocessor/1750.html ) 1599521;1483897039;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1A67BBCF3BC199EAB1EAE3CD402679F75C3277E063F16C4C8FB0E5DA4CC08E54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1418...4859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '132.248.237.245 (ssh-rsa key from 132.248.237.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.estadisticas.unam.mx. MX DIF) 1599522;1483897039;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EB4358DB99EA55443E95549BB3C2D498ABAD94BEF711ACCBC841372EEDD91519 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...3797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.107.129.108 (ssh-rsa key from 92.107.129.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (108.129.107.92.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH JU) 1599523;1483898090;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D23DA35A98B17FBD111DBF1E703EAA70B581A3B7C95B73DCE62A5EC2C4311BAE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1418...5873 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.48.162.226 (ssh-rsa key from 95.48.162.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (jug226.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1599524;1483898630;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/75DDDAE15B7EC49DCE3F5ECB5576B44A6F0AFEA697CC33D6168163433EC66DFF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...3433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.185.83.21 (ssh-rsa key from 213.185.83.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (s2vm03.bugsys.de. DE NW) 1599525;1483898630;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/943F09ABB194BBE5460720D7C28F5C386843034636637C74D7E7D23024B1179B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1516...1657 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.52.12.132 (ssh-rsa key from 200.52.12.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (seg.telinor.com.mx. MX NLE) 1599526;1483898630;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E104B13454BC622809E581B96356F30C3256686209B24E7535378861FD771B7E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1530...8297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.76.214.46 (ssh-rsa key from 217.76.214.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT AO 23) 1599527;1483898630;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAF3261D1430D9FB8B9638D728B38E5D345C3D932D7FE6E4BF5FC5B8A33F5A14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1525...6599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.152.52.156 (ssh-rsa key from 85.152.52.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.cizero-digital.com. ES AS O) 1599528;1483899770;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCC50E7FFDDD45A5928D7D7375C2E01383174DA0A3B8C3113464B3D09D7F35A0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...3299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.44.244 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.44.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (CSR749SBC-InFi-HuBe-Or-Ca-c2932-Love2Learn-FW. US CA) 1599529;1483899770;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A71B5781B8BBAD9214FDE34ACCE621D3B5AA118EB962DF1814FD7D26BFFC7AF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...8039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.200.229.133 (ssh-rsa key from 37.200.229.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown OM) 1599530;1483899770;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBE694BB98818664288E6705471A0406C706A99F00EEDD1DC6CF1B34A357E7EC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...8057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.6.32.224 (ssh-rsa key from 188.6.32.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (BC0620E0.dsl.pool.telekom.hu. HU SZ) 1599531;1483900310;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6838D1B4096EE3FFD62580E7F8F2DFFEAC7B4AD962EA293A2D1E34921A8ED3BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1485...4987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.145.19.202 (ssh-rsa key from 93.145.19.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-93-145-19-202.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1599532;1483900310;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DC8E3EC0B9017F6F08B1D8C0CC0EAE96DCA4F5E0EDC4DCFEC6757F3F65775EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...0643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.5.81.105 (ssh-rsa key from 163.5.81.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (candidature.epitech.eu. FR J 94) 1599533;1483900310;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/149BB0A326A881049D0A7D65A950C68DD7413BE75BE07261666A8B8C7DC65EFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...2009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '23.30.226.193 (ssh-rsa key from 23.30.226.193 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (23-30-226-193-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US MN) 1599534;1483900325;mircea_popescu;jaysus 1599535;1483900625;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599496 << shift click might also work fine yeah. who doesn't know about it doesn't need it either. what do you think of the dot idea ? 1599536;1483900625;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 17:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599371 << i've been thinking about this problem, because range select is very handy, but i haven't figured out a way to make it not confusing. specifically the "stickiness" where you catch a range and can't get rid of it. can implement the traditional select semantics like shift-click to activate a range? 1599537;1483900711;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599505 << mp is in fact approaching the problem of "lord can be given single link pointer can be trusted to figure out the correct tree ; but outsider is much better served by being given block, because outsider ~= retard". so i tend to love ranges for things like "referencing old cannonical thread on periphery such as blog post comments" whereas love line references for "remind someone in c 1599538;1483900711;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 17:18 phf: well, mp is presumably trying to solve a problem of quoting large conversations. our thread links for example go for one liners, but require extra effort to figure out where the conversation starts and where it ends, etc. 1599539;1483900712;mircea_popescu;onversation of $item" 1599540;1483900820;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/40776E84A758AD819BF5F53DF459608C36946FE1F78EFA384C381205876A22CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...3367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.71 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (113x35x199x71.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13) 1599541;1483900820;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AE6B4639A4016CFD59C865FD786F5D2437E49B15DD9C9EB41E6143642FCB5EAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1625...0453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.31.229.178 (ssh-rsa key from 195.31.229.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT) 1599542;1483900913;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599506 << because the fact that op is not already here carries the significance that the op has serious mental issues, of the nature of mental retardation, on which basis it is safe to assume op would return "that has nothing to do" rather than correctly prune the trees to get the shared up-node and then engage in the correct, intellectual-curiosity driven behaviour of reading himself out of 1599543;1483900913;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 17:18 asciilifeform: every large conversation has a start. why not quote that. 1599544;1483900913;mircea_popescu; a paper bag. 1599545;1483901373;mircea_popescu;and in other pretty girls, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f838b467b4bc13ebeb8bb0867ef4c8b2/tumblr_o7eay9cJ0x1udy23bo1_1280.jpg 1599546;1483901433;mircea_popescu;and in other news wtf is #cyberhatsecurity 1599547;1483901654;mircea_popescu;ⓘ [465] You are banned from this server- (Clearing #cyberhatsecurity) Bots (2017/1/8 18.22) << random link to freenode klined. nothwithstanding it never sent to any channels. (or, for that matter, had anything to do with anything). 1599548;1483901930;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F035B7DD7EBC023C9A24740A9F3C48EA8F895047D43806B4CA7835ACCB3E4288 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...9063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.62.236.67 (ssh-rsa key from 93.62.236.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (93-62-236-67.ip24.fastwebnet.it. IT TO 21) 1599549;1483901931;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA2CD167BF09030541D93A27041C64941A6AC6A99BEF67A8F879B399658BCDAF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1689...4643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.56.146.18 (ssh-rsa key from 195.56.146.18 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns2.ksystem.hu. HU) 1599550;1483901931;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0456045885241DCE7904B864BCD8E31BC152C9E8D547CB2541834EEEE45984EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...5043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.101.134.225 (ssh-rsa key from 75.101.134.225 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ec2-75-101-134-225.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA) 1599551;1483901931;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A884F230768329AD945408D87431EADEEDE8302334631C7A6CA420D2F7246AD8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1691...8253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.240.254.106 (ssh-rsa key from 62.240.254.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (du-62-240-240-106.adsl.claranet.fr. FR) 1599552;1483902141;mircea_popescu;apparently "cyberhatsecurity" is a bunch of kids (usual male + coupla orbiters + love interest movie cast) defacing/ddosing random obscure websites (da.gov.ph, "official website of ella fitzgerald", ectb.org, readanddigest.com and so on). but an evidently important & mayn guy named system "Im leaving social media. im sorry guys. please if you want to contact us go in our discord. https://discord.gg/CtuX56e". which is worth ch 1599553;1483902141;mircea_popescu;ecking out for the sheer ineptitude involved (looks like a native crapple app ported to a web interface). and do consider their fucking notion of a post-mortem : https://archive.is/tPrBF#selection-765.0-762.5 1599554;1483902200;mircea_popescu;"We've isolated the issue to a blip on an internal service caused by a deploy a few hours ago, which triggered a case where some buggy code incorrectly propagated the errors caused by the malfunction up to our client, that then attempted to retry sending the message. For now, we've reverted the changes and everything looks stable. We're going to investigate this further. As of now, we have a few action items to resolve these 1599555;1483902200;mircea_popescu;issues, and we'll provide a full post-mortem here in the morning." together with the absent anything "in the morning" readily constitutes the epitome of "a new generation" in computing. 1599556;1483902525;davout;interesting: https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/a-bitcoin-transaction-that-takes-5-hours-to-verify/ 1599557;1483902857;mircea_popescu;findanddelete eh. 1599558;1483903149;mircea_popescu;oh this is the lerner dude that exposed that bitmessage idiocy, i recall. 1599559;1483905329;asciilifeform;'About 28% of the original Bitcoin v0.1 source code remains in Bitcoin Core v0.12 (although that 28% now represents less than 1.9% of the total source lines), so the possibility existed. ' << lol!! 1599560;1483905594;mircea_popescu;aha 1599561;1483908472;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/ << Trilema - My AI problems, a humble confession. 1599562;1483911620;ben_vulpes;in other clojure bashings: https://chriskohlhepp.wordpress.com/functional-programming-section/metacircular-adventures-in-functional-abstraction-challenging-clojure-in-common-lisp/ 1599563;1483912003;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598703 << ternary is neat and all, but have you considered implementing arc atop colorforth? 1599564;1483912003;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 23:18 gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: well it seems I can't have you do what I had in mind. Could you instead please review http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/ternary/ and work out some basic ternery circuts for the eventual loper machine? 1599565;1483912247;phf;damn, re that clojure post, "with friends like that..." 1599566;1483914645;mircea_popescu;why is this dude so wikipedia-bound ? 1599567;1483914682;*;mircea_popescu lost interest on the 3rd reference or thereabouts. 1599568;1483915364;phf;i don't grok referencing encyclopedias in general. if i don't know what "dog" is, i can probably source it myself 1599569;1483915394;mircea_popescu;encyclopedias in general may be educative ; but wikipedia is not an encyclopedia. 1599570;1483915412;mircea_popescu;if i don't agree with what you mean by dog, pointing to the tv set is unlikely to resolve much. 1599571;1483915521;phf;i don't think it's an attempt to establish terminology. i always read it as a herp-a-derp chumminess with a reader "oh maybe you don't know what i'm talking about, i'm going to help you out here" 1599572;1483915717;mircea_popescu;i always read it as a "i am dedicated to the empire and won't miss an opportunity to spam its tendrils". exactly the same substance as the "seo expert" pushing colon cleanser or w/e. just vaguely different clothing. 1599573;1483915776;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the noobs : to specific objections are raised here. one speaks to corectness : a random "reality tv" show may include elements which, inasmuch as they factually exist, are actually true, such as a curb, or a window pane. nevertheless, this does not make the reality tv show MEANINGFUL. 1599574;1483915832;mircea_popescu;the other speaks to accuracy. there is a reason man pages are written by the authors of the software, not by a conclave of self-identified users of said software. a measure of accuracy could certainly be devised whereby the 2nd version is "just as accurate" as a proper man page. nevertheless, it would not in the slightest be INTERESTING. 1599575;1483915887;mircea_popescu;which is the summa : wikipedia is meaningless and uninteresting ; that it does so through the mechanism of advertising "not using advertising" and asking for "donations", and that it manages to chump randos into turning large piles of banal trivia into an agglomeration of garbage is entirely incidental. 1599576;1483920929;shinohai;ty d 1599577;1483924174;mircea_popescu;heh so apparently they're gonna shut down the server i'm connected through. GOOD BY CRUEL WORLD! 1599578;1483924423;phf;not so fast 1599579;1483924438;mircea_popescu;i may have been server notice scammed. 1599580;1483924482;mircea_popescu;wow 1599581;1483924487;mircea_popescu;!#google pussygrab 1599582;1483924496;mircea_popescu;!~google pussygrab 1599583;1483924497;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: # pussygrab hashtag on Twitter: ; The “ Pussygrab ” Trump Recording Was An Orchestrated Release ...: ; Trump Sexual Assault Accuser Jill Harth on ' Pussy Grab ' Tape | Law ...: (1 more message) 1599584;1483924528;mircea_popescu;somewhat odd, i actually see trilema as #2, above reddit and below something called ibtimes 1599585;1483924787;hanbot;i don't see trilema in results at all, despite top of second page yielding censored term (p*ssy). motherfuckers. 1599586;1483924845;mircea_popescu;hanbot what do you see if https://www.google.com/search?q=pussygrab&tbs=qdr:w ? 1599587;1483924868;hanbot;trilema @ 4 1599588;1483924882;mircea_popescu;this "different results for different calls" thing is so fucken dumb... 1599589;1483925934;ben_vulpes;EXCITING 1599590;1483927901;mircea_popescu;and in other "haterz care deeply" lulz, https://archive.is/vAZU8 https://archive.is/QjKln 1599591;1483928358;ben_vulpes;lol that danielkerr character 1599592;1483928424;ben_vulpes;https://www.opencart.com/index.php?route=cms/company << oh god "our team" 1599593;1483930117;mircea_popescu;this first name bs is really obnoxious 1599594;1483930140;mircea_popescu;wtf they do anywya, "you can't be john, we already have a john. why don't you be felix ?" 1599595;1483930265;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278495/Troubled-former-football-star-recovering-ice-addict-Daniel-Kerr-1-3-million-house-repossessed-bank.html << 3 bedroom 1 bathroom ? wtf is wrong with people. 1599596;1483930285;mircea_popescu;how is a 1 bathroom hovel even worth more than a car. 1599597;1483930337;mircea_popescu;"The 652 square metre corner block boasts high ceilings, timber flooring, a theatre room and alfresco deck." AND ONE BATHROOM 1599598;1483931501;mircea_popescu;http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/alxsite.com << and here's how lulz look. 1599599;1483931876;BingoBoingo;hovel needs less maintenance to keep hoveling that car needs to keep friving 1599600;1483931887;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that. 1599601;1483932108;BingoBoingo;75% of car parts store is essentials, 85% of hovel parts store is unessential fluff 1599602;1483932186;ben_vulpes;what need have we of rmax when we can make papercrete 1599603;1483932274;BingoBoingo;Why would I want concrete that is palatable to termites? 1599604;1483932299;ben_vulpes;mix boric acid in 1599605;1483932413;BingoBoingo;that will interfere with cure weakening product 1599606;1483932513;ben_vulpes;load tests are in order 1599607;1483932774;BingoBoingo;concrete's a fickle little bitch it's first month of life. 1599608;1483932910;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: also i don't know who uses rmax for structural elements 1599609;1483932983;ben_vulpes;you can pump it through a stucco sprayer, which i think is very fucking cool 1599610;1483933309;BingoBoingo;An you're talking insulation, I thought you were talking the real estate firm 1599611;1483933500;ben_vulpes;there is also http://www.masongreenstar.com/, but yes mostly considering as insulator 1599612;1483933545;ben_vulpes;veehehehery interested in the material's load bearing capabilities too, but TEUs are literally haus duplos so... 1599613;1483934698;mircea_popescu;hm, ben_vulpes going towards building haus ? 1599614;1483934877;ben_vulpes;very seriously considering all sorts of very stupid things. what else is new. 1599615;1483934968;ben_vulpes;see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598241 1599616;1483934968;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 17:05 ben_vulpes: i'm one more 'undefined is not a function' away from moving to boring and raising cashmere goats 1599617;1483934990;mircea_popescu;us is horribru place to build. 1599618;1483935029;ben_vulpes;what build, i'm going to live out of a shipping container 1599619;1483935039;mircea_popescu;with rmax ? 1599620;1483935047;ben_vulpes;papercrete! 1599621;1483935443;mircea_popescu;containers suck in all places with a weather. 1599622;1483935577;ben_vulpes;us is a horrible place to live. 1599623;1483935595;mircea_popescu;depends what you're looking for. not terrible if you're into fucking bums. 1599624;1483935606;mircea_popescu;sort of like pinoy was 30 years ago. 1599625;1483935899;ben_vulpes;anyways, 1700 bucks not bad price for beefy steel frame and corrugated panels. 1599626;1483937275;BingoBoingo;Just get some concrete masonry units and play legos 1599627;1483937377;mircea_popescu;yeah not a bad time to buy containers. trade's going to shit. 1599628;1483937440;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: container legos are best legos 1599629;1483937449;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "peak stuff"! 1599630;1483937488;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1599631;1483937546;mircea_popescu;steel billet is like 300, 20 foot dry container is like 2.3 tons tare, so that's about 700 out of the 1.7 just the price of the metal. 1599632;1483937568;mircea_popescu;that's like buying house for 2.5 the price of bulk brick 1599633;1483937585;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: So how many are you stacking? 1599634;1483937715;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can stack em as high as 8, and in principle could cover a square mile with 'em 1599635;1483937781;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm thinking is stacked 2 high, filled with rebar and concrete poured, one could make a respectable fence. 1599636;1483937806;mircea_popescu;for what, mexico ? 1599637;1483937844;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: neglects the cost of turning brick into structural frames and walls 1599638;1483937870;ben_vulpes;nevermind that the retail cost for corrugated panel is going to be rather larger than that for billet which omfg cannot be bought retail 1599639;1483937927;ben_vulpes;more like 2.5 cost of bulk dirt if you're going to compare at the level of billet 1599640;1483937957;ben_vulpes;and yes i can cut, weld, seal. no big. but forge from billet? get the fuck out 1599641;1483937985;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: For strolling through the garden you've placed atop your fence 1599642;1483938034;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: barns in the 2-3 range, meatboxes same, but without truss roof 1599643;1483938078;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Because rain noise you'll probably want some sort of roof above the steel 1599644;1483938089;ben_vulpes;garden! like you said. 1599645;1483938711;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate#30 << does this regular pattern of descending transaction counts to a very low number over three blocks spook anyone else? 1599646;1483938733;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1599647;1483939583;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599556 << expect to see thousands of these, made Just For Us 1599648;1483939583;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 19:08 davout: interesting: https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/a-bitcoin-transaction-that-takes-5-hours-to-verify/ 1599649;1483940004;davout;asciilifeform: it isn't very clear to me if the actual attack ~must~ be a P2SH transaction 1599650;1483940023;mircea_popescu;in any case fix is trivial. 1599651;1483940035;asciilifeform;davout: from my reading, it is something that sits in a block 1599652;1483940042;asciilifeform;(vs a mempool tx) 1599653;1483940043;davout;"It is possible to use a standard p2sh transaction as the attack vector, but it seems to be a transaction that takes no more than 500 msec to be verified." <<< this part confused my parser 1599654;1483940070;mircea_popescu;davout the way this works is by piling a bunch of slow txn. 1599655;1483940088;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in point of fact it is not trivial, gavin et al introduces some pile of shit that almost certainly has fencepost eggog 1599656;1483940091;davout;asciilifeform: seems to me any incoming transaction that you verify could DoS you 1599657;1483940111;davout;(assuming you have the pre-requisites already in block) 1599658;1483940112;asciilifeform;davout: for mempool tx i can just ban the opcode. 1599659;1483940119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "do not evaluate script" is simple enough. 1599660;1483940123;asciilifeform;it is only in blocks that you cannot. 1599661;1483940130;davout;right 1599662;1483940130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: won't eval script -- can't verify block. 1599663;1483940133;asciilifeform;or next block. 1599664;1483940134;asciilifeform;or next. etc 1599665;1483940143;mircea_popescu;blocks are header based not tx based. 1599666;1483940154;davout;fix is lulzy 1599667;1483940156;mircea_popescu;and you don't have to evaluate the script to check the tx. 1599668;1483940157;davout;"Additionally I have done extensive fuzzing to ensure the result is identical to the current implementation." 1599669;1483940186;asciilifeform;davout: gold 1599670;1483940206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: script with, e.g., nonstandard ops, results in nonwellformed block. 1599671;1483940223;asciilifeform;per trb. 1599672;1483940262;*;asciilifeform off to trb room to verify this statement. and then to bed. 1599673;1483940427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't have to evaluate the script. you have to check that the inputs exist, check that the txn is signed, and that's that. all the nutty bs "scripts" do is not of any interest, not really. 1599674;1483940499;mircea_popescu;tbh /me has little intention to support anything but the above in trb-i. no fucking "scripts". name your input, name your output, sign. that's it. 1599675;1483940612;mircea_popescu;the whole "native support for '''contracts'''" in satoshi's spaghetti is exactly equivalent to his support for '''accounts'''. deeply misguided, entirely useless, pure wildman nonsense. 1599676;1483940711;ben_vulpes;this is perhaps the one instance in the history of the world where the software schelling point might actually migrate /away/ from complexity. 1599677;1483940740;mircea_popescu;the sheer idiocy of building contracts into money can not be properly appreciated by coders, sadly. 1599678;1483940752;mircea_popescu;it is not unlike ovaries that came with wedding rings built in. 1599679;1483940778;mircea_popescu;"honey, i love you enough to cut through your abdomen and hope this kidney stone fits your finger. and mine." 1599680;1483940802;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599658 <<< so basically any fucktard who can mine a block can DoS TRB into oblivion 1599681;1483940802;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 05:35 asciilifeform: davout: for mempool tx i can just ban the opcode. 1599682;1483940863;mircea_popescu;needs to mine about 3 blocks in succession to do anything visible. and the visible something will probably be his 3 block thing being an orphan. 1599683;1483940953;mircea_popescu;anyway, that aside, fixing this in trb may be worth the doing. though in my mind it was slated for when we actually do trb-i, to be shot in head with the whole "script" idiocy. 1599684;1483941021;mircea_popescu;"i know, let's put a fucking forth parser into the consensus system, that'll be so fucken smart!" 1599685;1483941127;davout;mircea_popescu: not sure the blocks need to be mined in succession 1599686;1483941135;davout;you just need to have the outs at hand 1599687;1483941180;davout;and i'm really not sure the necessary prevouts wouldn't be rejected as 'attack-preparation' by random miners 1599688;1483941226;davout;either way, I entirely agree that the scripting thing is cancerous 1599689;1483942667;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598344 << lol, missed this part. 1599690;1483942667;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 18:04 mircea_popescu: ah. the way i was thinking this'd work would be : the bot answers to any lines where its name is mentioned ; and i can update its "brain" with a !^ url style command. whereby it replaces its "ai" code with the content of the file. 1599691;1483942719;ben_vulpes;lemme guess: you're ~epsilon interested in poking a running lisp process through emacs 1599692;1483942871;ben_vulpes;i think you'd get significant mileage out of it, but the cognitive overhead would probably enrage you. 1599693;1483943087;ben_vulpes;it might not be so bad at that, there's one command to compile, and a single keypress to abort a failed compilation. ofc, you'll have to either edit directly in emacs (strongly recommended for parens-balancing reasons) or edit the file in something else of your choice (not recommended because no parens balancing) and then loading the file in a persistent lisp session in tmux or whatever 1599694;1483943147;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ^^ 1599695;1483943161;ben_vulpes;(do people mute highlights from a111 ?) 1599696;1483944132;davout;ben_vulpes: i don't, useful for when you're answered to 1599697;1483944158;ben_vulpes;davout: aye, that's what i've always thought. no need to waste characters on a nick when a111 does it for ya! 1599698;1483944602;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/09/finding-the-light/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Finding the light. 1599699;1483946774;ben_vulpes;spiffy little chart pete_dushenski, howdja make it? 1599700;1483953796;Framedragger;(just complained to taleb about him using medium. this whole "scrape article right after it's published because the unicorn it's riding on may go really go down soon" is a bit stupid. on the small off chance that he replies with a request for a suggestion to be considered, i wonder if there's anything to actually be suggested. need to search for a bit (i'm certain he wouldn't fuck around with mp-wp unfortunately)..) 1599701;1483953844;ben_vulpes;vanilla wordpress would work. 1599702;1483953898;ben_vulpes;you'll have a long fucking slog getting him to use finished software if he's an investor in a revolutionary online publishing platform, though. 1599703;1483953998;Framedragger;ikr :( probably so 1599704;1483954065;Framedragger;vanilla wp may work, yes... i hear some folx use medium because it offers "exposure". i wonder if there's anything to it (probably not). i guess you see popular articles when you go to medium.com, or something.. 1599705;1483954098;Framedragger;"n3twork 3ffect" 1599706;1483954174;ben_vulpes;a man's work stands on its own, for everyone else there are marketing departments standing by to contribute to revenues. 1599707;1483954250;Framedragger;indeed - and he should know this and consider setting an example.. 1599708;1483954258;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: your bot is ready, i'll be online sometime after 2200 utc to hash out the details of getting your code into it. 1599709;1483954286;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: you know that ellipses have three dots in 'em? 1599710;1483954313;ben_vulpes;ohai jurov 1599711;1483954327;jurov;o/ 1599712;1483954349;Framedragger;usually i am a coward and a proper ellipse is too much of a commitment to me. 1599713;1483954354;Framedragger;\o 1599714;1483954373;ben_vulpes;heh which reminds me: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170101/attachment.txt?sha1=054f90b71ea58b51b3dd37774b495d5f7e85afee << zero income foundation carries on the zero asset legacy :P 1599715;1483954440;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: which reminds me of a thought perhaps mircea_popescu can make better use of than i, given how it's been evading my grasp: why is it that you can have brave men and brave women, but cowards are all men? 1599716;1483954517;Framedragger;hm, isn't that because of gender role legacy, with "man taking the burden" and all that? i'm sure this oversimplifies things - it's an interesting thought 1599717;1483954552;Framedragger;can a woman really not be a coward? 1599718;1483954566;Framedragger;or more precisely, have there been no instances of such? 1599719;1483954570;ben_vulpes;it's not that women can't be cowards but that cowards (unqualified) are men. 1599720;1483954583;Framedragger;right. and yes i agree, seems to be the case. 1599721;1483954636;ben_vulpes;best i have is that woman adapts and survives and man dies broken, fighting to the last breath 1599722;1483954656;ben_vulpes;bbl, zs 1599723;1483954811;Framedragger;yes, there is that model of a woman as someone who is expected to, and is bound to adapt in my mind, too. if she runs away from a dangerous bank robbery scene, it's to be expected. ties into the 'protecting children' function, too. unless she *explicitly* is a heroine. 1599724;1483955490;Framedragger;(that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unhappy gay people.) 1599725;1483955510;Framedragger;(not a very original thought.) 1599726;1483956124;phf;woman is assumed to be cowardly by default, where's a man needs a qualifier. 1599727;1483956560;diana_coman;Framedragger, there is sex and there is gender; in other words, an individual woman can be more of a man than a specific, given man and the other way around; 1599728;1483956591;Framedragger;no disagreement there (did my statements imply or assume otherwise?) :) 1599729;1483956599;Framedragger;but, yeah. 1599730;1483956614;Framedragger;there are the prevalent 'expected defaults', tho. 1599731;1483956633;diana_coman;which are basically models of "feminine" and of "masculine" if you prefer, to make it clear 1599732;1483956690;diana_coman;and so if that's clear, what is it that you dislike? 1599733;1483956712;diana_coman;Framedragger> (that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unh 1599734;1483956712;diana_coman;appy gay people.) <- this suggested the difference was not clear to you 1599735;1483956742;Framedragger;you're right. 1599736;1483956770;Framedragger;in certain places, it may be unnecessarily hard for say a man to be 'feminine'. i think that's what i meant, not more than that 1599737;1483956829;diana_coman;how do you decide on "unnecessarily" there? 1599738;1483956886;Framedragger;well, that's the problem and object of possible critique here. i suppose it's quite subjective and really hard to defend. my hope was that someone may relate and define this more rigorously 1599739;1483957114;diana_coman;well, I don't really think someone can live a very unhappy life due to *others'* expectations; at most due to his/her own 1599740;1483957115;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/575A15CF2DA998E5E78663389111EFA3BF1F80A47EEB005ED795EA946D20253F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.47.20.107 (ssh-rsa key from 85.47.20.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host107-20-static.47-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1599741;1483957115;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7EE9D7418360EBF5222D566B0A5B811023AC29616EBC02A9EE52BDB5A00038A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '2.116.209.1 (ssh-rsa key from 2.116.209.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host1-209-static.116-2-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1599742;1483957115;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A558B10A1CCC09194358E0502CAFA4415F57F1944DD9FE618E2A2E2D29EFAC0F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.177 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host177-196-static.57-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1599743;1483957115;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24698AD72475BB28F25AD63CC626A01EC41AF82BC51BC4CB8118FC5B15BDF42E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.179 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host179-196-static.57-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1599744;1483957115;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5531B421CF54E13A5413500A2CAA7EC23E3D2267C57196B08C217AC2A4EF4B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.86.29.254 (ssh-rsa key from 62.86.29.254 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host254-29-static.86-62-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1599745;1483957197;Framedragger;diana_coman: i see what you mean. at the end of the day if one cannot carve out existence on their own terms, they are doomed either way - this much i agree with. (also, i didn't really have a fleshed out point, thanks for clarifying things for me) 1599746;1483957415;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599723 <<< in my book, running away from a bank robbery scene if you can, qualifies as 'not being a moron', not 'being a coward' 1599747;1483957415;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:40 Framedragger: yes, there is that model of a woman as someone who is expected to, and is bound to adapt in my mind, too. if she runs away from a dangerous bank robbery scene, it's to be expected. ties into the 'protecting children' function, too. unless she *explicitly* is a heroine. 1599748;1483957429;Framedragger;bad example, i agree :D 1599749;1483957655;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3F884718CC1F7BBD6425044BB98EB5128654EC09BB8F8D8FFE2F4EFA26F4CC53 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 53045983853809585401822001 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Marcus Benjamin ; Marcus Benjamin ; ' 1599750;1483967086;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599687 << it is likely, but obviously unreliable. 1599751;1483967086;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 05:53 davout: and i'm really not sure the necessary prevouts wouldn't be rejected as 'attack-preparation' by random miners 1599752;1483967135;mircea_popescu;the reason you want them in succession is that single blocks will definitely get orphaned, but longer chains present a risk for miners if they opt not to build on them. 1599753;1483967180;mircea_popescu;that's a real threat model, because of how bitcoin works chain differentials are real leverage in the hands of enemy. 1599754;1483967498;davout;seems to me that enemy being able to build a large chain differential would be a problem in its own right 1599755;1483967505;mircea_popescu;it is. 1599756;1483967518;mircea_popescu;i didn't specifically separate it here, but that's where the 3 guess comes from. 1599757;1483967534;mircea_popescu;anyway, "softforks" ie successful attacks to date are a very simple indication of how this works. 1599758;1483972875;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599676 << for the record, there isn't a case in history YET where schelling point was anything than against complexity. 1599759;1483972875;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 05:45 ben_vulpes: this is perhaps the one instance in the history of the world where the software schelling point might actually migrate /away/ from complexity. 1599760;1483972902;mircea_popescu;which is why ustardia requires all the ideological fanfare. outside of getting people to blindly believe they matter, somehow, no matter how, there's simply no way. 1599761;1483972939;mircea_popescu;in any case the usg "tax code" or "legal code" or any other pile of usg-specific idiocy is NOT a schelling point. 1599762;1483973020;mircea_popescu;and for the "we all agree" (that "sexual harassment is a thing" or "words hurt" or whatever other nonsense du jour) engine to work, the strict requirement is for "everyone" to be entirely a set of usg drones. it's not even enough to pad theroom, it must be filled. 1599763;1483973058;mircea_popescu;which is how hillary ended up visiting 1mn strong towns in the sense of speaking to fifty ditzy cunts nobody could be bothered to ever fuck in a basement library somewhere. 1599764;1483973065;mircea_popescu;the usg is veheheheeery fragile. 1599765;1483973105;mircea_popescu;(or, in the imperial expression, "putin doesn't understand how the world works".) 1599766;1483973165;mircea_popescu;hence all the "gotta educate the public". their process of "education" consists of taking healthy youths and spitting out useless drones. now if only this process could be extended to anything other than placid, cowardly middle class youth, the world would suddenly be habitable for the usg! 1599767;1483973194;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599724 << who is expected to protect these "good sensitive men" that run away? the men that are in fact men? 1599768;1483973194;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:51 Framedragger: (that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unhappy gay people.) 1599769;1483973198;trinque;socialism: its kinda gay 1599770;1483973207;mircea_popescu;yes. this is EXACTLY what they expect. 1599771;1483973290;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599692 << i'm not against it, but how do you handle the connection with some semblance of security ? 1599772;1483973290;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 06:21 ben_vulpes: i think you'd get significant mileage out of it, but the cognitive overhead would probably enrage you. 1599773;1483973303;mircea_popescu;(ftr, i don't get enraged by things i don't know ; i get enraged by things that are stupid.) 1599774;1483973417;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599695 << i don't. 1599775;1483973417;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 06:26 ben_vulpes: (do people mute highlights from a111 ?) 1599776;1483973462;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599699 << there's a c* blog/ing competition underway isn't there. 1599777;1483973462;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 07:26 ben_vulpes: spiffy little chart pete_dushenski, howdja make it? 1599778;1483973528;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski palate. the bony skull part above your tongue, where supposedly (the belle epoque frenchies thought) elevated tasting takes place. 1599779;1483973998;mircea_popescu;dude this piece is beautiful. tyvm pete_dushenski no further than yest sitting with girls on sidewalk cafe we were wondering at abominable item, and then discovered it was... WV!!! 1599780;1483974016;mircea_popescu;persuasive retelling of history falls right in the spot. 1599781;1483974231;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599700 << why'd he have to ? deploy one for him, and him passwords. 1599782;1483974231;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:23 Framedragger: (just complained to taleb about him using medium. this whole "scrape article right after it's published because the unicorn it's riding on may go really go down soon" is a bit stupid. on the small off chance that he replies with a request for a suggestion to be considered, i wonder if there's anything to actually be suggested. need to search for a bit (i'm certain he wouldn't fuck around with mp-wp unfortunately)..) 1599783;1483974275;mircea_popescu;explain how to make backups (even if it's a dump-db-encrypted-to-key script you throw together) and that's it. 1599784;1483974365;mircea_popescu;and before anyone asks : the advantage of this is that this solution scales. ACTUALLY scales. specifically, if at any point in his own time and for any reason in ~his own domain~ taleb wants to get more control, he can. he actually can. you explain to him, when he asks, HOW to be more in control of his mp-wp install. in terms of configuring the php script, or in terms of configuring the apache server, or in terms of configuri 1599785;1483974365;mircea_popescu;ng the linux install, or the linux kernel, or in terms of vlsi and baking his own hardware. 1599786;1483974410;mircea_popescu;THIS is the important thing, and the only thing that matters ; and this is the fundamental reason we hate, equally, and forever, medium, blogspot, whatever the fuck. "convenience" my right foot. it's never convenient to be stupid, and it is absolutely never convenient to be locked into being stupid. 1599787;1483974533;mircea_popescu;it is admirable to compensate for his ignorance or disinterest, to the perhaps extreme level of doing the hardware, and the os, and the http server and the php on top of it yourself, if you like the guy enough. more power to you. but it is still something of his, which even if delegated he still owns. 1599788;1483974545;mircea_popescu;this is how a father acts. 1599789;1483974581;mircea_popescu;it is contemptible and beyond contemptible to rely on his ignorance, disinterest AND COWARDICE to get him on a windowsesque thing which "works", and provided he's willing to adapt what he wants done to what the butons say, all will be well. 1599790;1483974601;mircea_popescu;this is how a mother acts, and why kids have not much business with her past the age of about 10 or so, depending how retarded they are. 1599791;1483975332;Framedragger;gotcha. (and agree). i still dream of easily-reproducible systems, though. but one way to abstract away the idiosyncrasies (of say wordpress) is exactly what you said: another person. 1599792;1483975376;mircea_popescu;hey, i dream the same. but the truth is, until there's enough critical mass of those "another persons", there's no good way to fix anything. 1599793;1483975380;mircea_popescu;theoretical fixes only work in theory. 1599794;1483975429;Framedragger;well, i'd go so far as to offer some free support to taleb, unfortunately i'm not in his wot; will see... 1599795;1483975432;mircea_popescu;until and unless, we're stuck doing the communion favour for each other, whereby the hope is that someone in the republic will be capable to summarize something you don't understand ; and you can trust he's not fucking you over in so doing. 1599796;1483975468;mircea_popescu;because no, the difference between pete explaining in summary how the fuck cars got fucked and you giving the keys to working wp to taleb is not substantial. 1599797;1483975479;mircea_popescu;what you've both done is - summarized a familiar topic for the benefit for foreigners. 1599798;1483975500;mircea_popescu;and this is exactly how working school fucking works, also. 1599799;1483975528;mircea_popescu;and why kids ask "why" universally across time, space and culture ; and why idiots answer "because that's the way it is" out of fucking line. 1599800;1483975552;Framedragger;sure. and that's the best one can have for the time being, and, *given trust*, it works nicely (dare i say, in a community-like aspect). and trust is unavoidable anyway and maybe the best instrument for civilisation. (also, need coffee) 1599801;1483975651;mircea_popescu;no but it is. trust is the building block of both culture and civilisation, the ideal and real aspects of human society. reasoned trust (see phf's notion of recourse, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592296 etc) builds republics and unreasoned trust builds empires. 1599802;1483975651;a111;Logged on 2016-12-28 21:59 phf: Framedragger: it's always the same with you, "this online personality construct is great" "they do useful research" etc. until they publish "i don't believe in pgp" or really act in any way that you didn't expect. and then you don't have any recourse, because they are online personality constructs. how well do you know this "online researcher" if you ~having spent significant amount of effort to collect and upload ssh keys~ didn't even 1599803;1483975702;Framedragger;right-o! 1599804;1483977235;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599620 << bru hempcrete literally decarbonizes the atmosfear! 1599805;1483977235;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 04:10 ben_vulpes: papercrete! 1599806;1483977489;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599714 << i expect a coupla years of 0 expenditure drove the eventual 0 income 1599807;1483977489;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:32 ben_vulpes: heh which reminds me: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170101/attachment.txt?sha1=054f90b71ea58b51b3dd37774b495d5f7e85afee << zero income foundation carries on the zero asset legacy :P 1599808;1483977560;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599715 << what are you talking about, there's plenty of cowardly women. 1599809;1483977560;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:34 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: which reminds me of a thought perhaps mircea_popescu can make better use of than i, given how it's been evading my grasp: why is it that you can have brave men and brave women, but cowards are all men? 1599810;1483977608;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599718 << are you kidding me, just look around. cowardice and periods are the biological female legacy. 1599811;1483977608;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:36 Framedragger: or more precisely, have there been no instances of such? 1599812;1483977653;mircea_popescu;pro tip : take slut to party, have her take top off. all females in attendance that follow suit are class 1 ; all females in attendance that retreat to corners to gossip are class 2. class 2 is mostly cowards ; class 1 is mostly drunks. 1599813;1483977735;Framedragger;aha. yeah you're right. this reminds me of when i made plans to sorta-jumpscare a guy by him being kissed by two girls, and the girls were all bravelike and c0mmitt3d until the moment came. 1599814;1483977744;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599719 << i have nfi, link for context ? i dun think i read it that way. 1599815;1483977744;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:36 ben_vulpes: it's not that women can't be cowards but that cowards (unqualified) are men. 1599816;1483977746;Framedragger;but the side effect was my first ever threesome, so. 1599817;1483977779;mircea_popescu;Framedragger well then this isn't a proper measure. woman playing coy != woman being coward. 1599818;1483977797;Framedragger;aha maybe. 1599819;1483978006;mircea_popescu;if two girls that are close but the sexual bubble between them's not popped and they run into this guy at a party who looks kinda cool and interests them because maybe he's gonna do it but then he wants them to kiss this other guy they may just pretend to be going to do it to see if he stops them. 1599820;1483978156;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599721 < yeah, sure, which is how leningrad affair. laisses. 1599821;1483978156;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:37 ben_vulpes: best i have is that woman adapts and survives and man dies broken, fighting to the last breath 1599822;1483978162;mircea_popescu;laissez* 1599823;1483978571;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00A3BD63A369A6CBBACED992F6765F09EBBEBA1E6DD44BEFA19D3D84E3245ED1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1189...8439 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.254.244.71 (ssh-rsa key from 212.254.244.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (iaapf.phinex.ch. CH) 1599824;1483978804;mircea_popescu;lol swiss isp 1599825;1483978951;asciilifeform;'Die Phinex Informatik AG bringt Ihnen mit groupware2go grenzenlose Freiheit und Unabhängigkeit zu einem top Preis.' >> lel 1599826;1483978970;asciilifeform;did cryptoAG generate them modz for'em or wat. 1599827;1483978981;mircea_popescu;they prolly imported a shitmodem 1599828;1483978992;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: they fucking upgraded open dime specs as soon as mine arrived. so I sold it to some derpy trader. 1599829;1483979003;asciilifeform;... 1599830;1483979034;thestringpuller;http://blog.opendime.com/announcing-opendime-v2/ 1599831;1483979045;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599724 << dude what, whose gut wrenches because emancipated woman ? best i can tell everyone just gets massive erections. 1599832;1483979045;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:51 Framedragger: (that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unhappy gay people.) 1599833;1483979052;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it was in the logs 1599834;1483979062;mircea_popescu;it's the inept children flailing AS IF they were women that get the inept child's lot, ie scorn. 1599835;1483979113;mircea_popescu;and in unrelated pix, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3mg86FZnk1r6detlo1_1280.jpg 1599836;1483979116;trinque;"make it look like a precious object" << wahaha go die 1599837;1483979129;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592579 << thread! 1599838;1483979129;a111;Logged on 2016-12-29 15:27 asciilifeform: vintage lulz ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542468 ) continued! >> http://blog.opendime.com/post/155026798632/announcing-opendime-v2-now-genuine-verified << 'we’ve added a special security chip, the sole purpose of which is to defeat any attempt at building counterfeit or cloned Opendime' 1599839;1483979330;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Coinkite factory holds the keys, so you own that factory you own Coinkite as a whole. 1599840;1483979354;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599727 << i'm with her. a woman may be assumed to be cowardly, and a black man may be assumed to be a thief, and an asian guy may be assumed to have a small dick, and if that works for you all the better. but it dun work in general, i don't think, nor in my experience. all children are born cowardly, all modern society tends to encourage it, the few who get out of infantilism aren't very gen 1599841;1483979354;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 10:09 diana_coman: Framedragger, there is sex and there is gender; in other words, an individual woman can be more of a man than a specific, given man and the other way around; 1599842;1483979354;mircea_popescu;der-biased. 1599843;1483979367;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: this is elementarily true, but not especially interesting 1599844;1483979386;asciilifeform;yes, 'anti-counterfeit' always and without exception means 'one official counterfeiter!111' 1599845;1483979398;mircea_popescu;WE FIGHT FOR PEACE! 1599846;1483979412;mircea_popescu;"and will you disarm at the end of the fight ?" AHAHAHA NO! 1599847;1483979476;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/son-of-kronar/ << oblig 1599848;1483979480;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: maybe not interesting cause story always ends with some disgruntled employee running off on the plug with the keys 1599849;1483979651;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/315617DEC261985741CB934CF25387C63DBA06BE0004123D7521CA2B71FCD32B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1505...3199 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.17.231.77 (ssh-rsa key from 85.17.231.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.chordie.com. NL NH) 1599850;1483979794;mircea_popescu;ahahah. 1599851;1483979978;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599736 << and on reddit it's hard for a man to not be an idiot. and if you go swimming in the swamp it'll be hard to not be all muddy etcetera. butofcoars! 1599852;1483979978;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 10:12 Framedragger: in certain places, it may be unnecessarily hard for say a man to be 'feminine'. i think that's what i meant, not more than that 1599853;1483980076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599739 << slavegirls can and do live a pretty unhappy life because of master's expectations. this ironically happens the most with the best of 'em, because they tend to be very deaf to praise and very acutely tuned to reprimand. 1599854;1483980076;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 10:18 diana_coman: well, I don't really think someone can live a very unhappy life due to *others'* expectations; at most due to his/her own 1599855;1483980192;mircea_popescu;this then follows in general, the average chump being a sort of windowsy emulation of a slavegirl, and without a master. so ends up reading feedback from /dev/urandom and interpreting it through a similar 50-50 => 1-99 grille. 1599856;1483980205;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, it sounds to me that their unhappiness comes from their own expectation that they are so very best, not from their master's expectations really; if it were from those, then *all* slavegirls would be just as unhappy 1599857;1483980235;mircea_popescu;not exactly. there is some vanity in there, now and again, but the substance is just a sort of perfectionism. 1599858;1483980304;mircea_popescu;follows from the personalization of the relationship to the divine. it's one thing to not manage to imitate the flight of the dragonfly, as michelangelo tried (and yes science is a reinterpretation of the relationship to the divine, doh, what else). it's another to not manage to do what the other guy tells you to. 1599859;1483980465;diana_coman;it's not other guy, it's the master; to my mind the master was exactly the chosen god basically 1599860;1483980492;mircea_popescu;yeah, but if he also speaks to you the usual contrition of the sinful is overpowering. 1599861;1483980604;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don't mean "unhappy" in the 1850s manchester bereft-of-any-joy sense. 1599862;1483980731;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/yet-another-bitcoin-anniversary/ << Qntra - Yet Another Bitcoin Anniversary 1599863;1483980771;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1599864;1483980861;mircea_popescu;diana_coman similarily, the life of the sane programmer is pretty unhappy. by comparison, java-machining-dotnet-etcetera dorks are very fucking happy, going from conference to conference to tell each other how fucking delicious the catered rubber chicken is, and how the 3 bedroom 1 bathroom atrocity is totally worth 1.3mn 1599865;1483980902;trinque;BingoBoingo: s/built/build/ or something 1599866;1483981039;BingoBoingo;trinque: ty fxd 1599867;1483981106;diana_coman;I suspect "unhappy lives" was/is quite loose as a term 1599868;1483981114;mircea_popescu;aha. 1599869;1483981150;diana_coman;I'm very happy to not be "happy" in that way, lol 1599870;1483981161;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1599871;1483981181;mircea_popescu;"human happiness can not be a goal of policy, because the direct solution is also the correct one." 1599872;1483981183;diana_coman;this is why I said it has nothing to do with outside expectations and what not really 1599873;1483981227;asciilifeform;programmers who stay sane, at least in my experience, tend to be folks who are very disciplined re compartmentalization . 1599874;1483981245;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform compartimentalization is in itself a sign of insanity. 1599875;1483981262;asciilifeform;programming as a profession is a form of contained insanity. 1599876;1483981287;mircea_popescu;they said the same about romatic love! 1599877;1483981427;asciilifeform;asking for mircea_popescu-style 'sane' programmer is rather like to ask for hygienic sewer repairman. if such a thing is possible it consists of cosmonautic-grade compartment sealing. 1599878;1483981530;mircea_popescu;it's not altogether clear computizing has to be a sewer. but yes, for as long as one's stuck dealing with a large pile of broken solutions churned out by people who didn't understand the problem nor were aware of the fact... 1599879;1483981536;davout;compartimentalization, aka shizophreny 1599880;1483981561;mircea_popescu;well schizoid in any case. 1599881;1483981858;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599746 << yes, but you're civilised. consider one of the better depictions of the matter : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R9Qiej-Tqo 1599882;1483981858;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 10:23 davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599723 <<< in my book, running away from a bank robbery scene if you can, qualifies as 'not being a moron', not 'being a coward' 1599883;1483981862;mircea_popescu;also "not being a moron" ? 1599884;1483981908;davout;please be more explicit, i fail to grok 1599885;1483981964;mircea_popescu;is the guy being a moron ? (have you seen the film ?) 1599886;1483981969;davout;i haven't 1599887;1483981989;mircea_popescu;ah then that's why. so check out true romance (the tarantino cut plox) when you wanna watch something, totally worth it. 1599888;1483982004;davout;i shall 1599889;1483982011;mircea_popescu;and then we can revisit 1599890;1483984018;BingoBoingo;!~google true trilema romance 1599891;1483984020;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: True Romance (Tarantino cut) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; 18 So Cool Facts About ' True Romance ' | Mental Floss: ; The Romantic Trilemma : An Existential Inquiry Into Modern Romance: (1 more message) 1599892;1483984969;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599723 << there is also a confounding set here: even supposing that you are an expert cut-throat, or whichever: why the fuck should you -- unpaid! -- die for ~a bank~ ? 1599893;1483984969;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 09:40 Framedragger: yes, there is that model of a woman as someone who is expected to, and is bound to adapt in my mind, too. if she runs away from a dangerous bank robbery scene, it's to be expected. ties into the 'protecting children' function, too. unless she *explicitly* is a heroine. 1599894;1483985007;asciilifeform;!#s die for hotel 1599895;1483985008;a111;2 results for "die for hotel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=die%20for%20hotel 1599896;1483985197;asciilifeform;'fiatola is no friend of mine' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu) 1599897;1483985568;Framedragger;in retrospect, it was possibly the most horrible illustration eva. 1599898;1483985686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform man chooses his stand, how should i know what he decided to die for. 1599899;1483985704;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yeah you're pretty terrible at simile. 1599900;1483985760;asciilifeform;illustration where nutter dies for a muddy puddle on the sidewalk is not very illustrative imho of anything interesting, other than possibly psychiatric case 1599901;1483985783;mircea_popescu;there's nothing substantially different from sidewalk puddles yo. 1599902;1483985812;mircea_popescu;can spend your whole life sifting through puddles and sidewalks looking for that georgia that's worth dyin' for. but on its merits, it's not. 1599903;1483988841;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599771 << elaborate on threat model? 1599904;1483988841;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 14:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599692 << i'm not against it, but how do you handle the connection with some semblance of security ? 1599905;1483989298;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, threat model. this is happening over the internet no ? 1599906;1483989320;mircea_popescu;anyway, the way i liked the original "send urls" was because then other people can see wtf. 1599907;1483989356;*;mircea_popescu is in no terrible hurry to produce menny lines of code. 1599908;1483989481;ben_vulpes;which "the connection"? from your machine to the bot machine? 1599909;1483989508;mircea_popescu;well yeah. 1599910;1483989525;ben_vulpes;and from external attackers? or to secure your box from whatever strange is on the vps? 1599911;1483989564;mircea_popescu;in general :) 1599912;1483989601;mircea_popescu;vps from my machine, my machine from vps, both of these from random internet soup. not to a standard higher than "post wwwform" 1599913;1483989610;mircea_popescu;anyway, im going to town nao, so we'll continue later today. 1599914;1483989615;ben_vulpes;aight later 1599915;1483989649;ben_vulpes;fwiw i have a spiffy little minimal interactive lisp bot you can diddle the behavior of in toto from emacs 1599916;1483989667;ben_vulpes;demo of the integrated lisp development environment if you will 1599917;1483989679;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1599918;1483989681;ben_vulpes;ttyl 1599919;1483991294;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599317 << actually btcbase is broken in that respect. i keep filename from the first appearance, and then track hunk relationship through hashes only. which will break if there's hash collision 1599920;1483991294;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 08:02 ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out 1599921;1483991402;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599879 << despite hating this word (as a medical term, it's about as precise as "caught a cold"), i did use it today for the first time in a while: "technological schizophrenia" is the theory and practice of compartmentalizing/dissociating net use across multiple devices and connections to defeat the whole "google knows she's preggo before she does" 1599922;1483991402;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 17:05 davout: compartimentalization, aka shizophreny 1599923;1483991473;ben_vulpes;why not just use other people's accounts, adlai ? 1599924;1483991484;ben_vulpes;pollute the ingestion pipeline 1599925;1483991500;ben_vulpes;get your girl looking at SAP ads 1599926;1483991541;adlai;sure, that's one of the methods. this was in response to dude complaining that alphabets know who is, eg, studying up towards mass-production of HNIW; the precise response was roughly "be more schizo" 1599927;1483991667;ben_vulpes;buy a set of old brittannicas and use tried and true blam tech perhaps? 1599928;1483991946;adlai;it's just one example. some knowledge is too specialized to appear in general aggregations; and it's also way too easy to estimate who is germinating which ideologies if you have access to eg which news they read. anyway, i'm supposed to be prepping for my lab tomorrow... this is the fun one, where we dick around measuring boring stuff but end up with ice cream 1599929;1483993479;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592656 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599926 1599930;1483993479;a111;Logged on 2016-12-29 18:38 mircea_popescu: much like if a boy's mating strategy consists of seeking out the places where no other boys go and waiting for girls to straggle in. 1599931;1483993479;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 19:52 adlai: sure, that's one of the methods. this was in response to dude complaining that alphabets know who is, eg, studying up towards mass-production of HNIW; the precise response was roughly "be more schizo" 1599932;1484002007;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00A3BD63A369A6CBBACED992F6765F09EBBEBA1E6DD44BEFA19D3D84E3245ED1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1086...7407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.254.244.71 (ssh-rsa key from 212.254.244.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (iaapf.phinex.ch. CH) 1599933;1484003597;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/315617DEC261985741CB934CF25387C63DBA06BE0004123D7521CA2B71FCD32B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1431...0389 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.17.231.77 (ssh-rsa key from 85.17.231.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.chordie.com. NL NH) 1599934;1484004678;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7FB815DF4016453F53D249A816CE408AE8ECDA29C5E54FC236405EAE71FA7CC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1426...4853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.126.234.26 (ssh-rsa key from 211.126.234.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (smtp.sd21.co.jp. JP) 1599935;1484004967;asciilifeform;http://www.sd21.co.jp << lul 1599936;1484005028;asciilifeform;consultants, on subjs incl. 'data security', disaster recovery, etc. 1599937;1484005194;ben_vulpes;http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/www.lindesign.se/uwp/guitar/m/misc_christmas/hark_the_herald_angels_sing.tab << usenet liiiives 1599938;1484007748;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, as part of a vast "argentina night life" programme, these nuts banned alcohol on the beaches, and are going around making kids open up their bags and shit. 1599939;1484007780;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: nothing speshul about the chart. just centre-aligned, single-spaced(shift-enter), and used the 'special character' directional arrows. bout it. 1599940;1484007791;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: how did you reach out to taleb ? twitter ? 1599941;1484007840;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: glad you liked the piece! always happy to elucidate the strange in the four-wheeled world. but what's the 'c*' thing ? 1599942;1484007850;mircea_popescu;you and the other jew. 1599943;1484007913;pete_dushenski;oooooooh. cascadian v contravexian. 1599944;1484007918;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5D9E1FD60613D225CBE347D0CD94C172D524517837B06D51F18C2F79775A391E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1597...7333 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.231.42.22 (ssh-rsa key from 147.231.42.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (d590je2.biomed.cas.cz. CZ) 1599945;1484007957;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: and by 'WV' you mean 'VW' ? 1599946;1484008033;pete_dushenski;s/palette/palate change made. ty. 1599947;1484008056;mircea_popescu;yeah lol. 1599948;1484008079;pete_dushenski;https://medium.com/incerto/an-expert-called-lindy-fdb30f146eaf#.lt82mk3ft << latest from nnt. archived (with photos) on muh site already. 1599949;1484008118;pete_dushenski;wagenvolks! in fourth reich, wagen rides you! 1599950;1484008126;mircea_popescu;lol. totally. 1599951;1484008174;pete_dushenski;speaking of which, fucking terribad roads today. made me yearn for g-wagen. 1599952;1484008231;pete_dushenski;whoever the fuck thought that an open rear diff could be compensated for by electronic nagging should spend the rest of their lives in noyabrsk 1599953;1484008270;asciilifeform;speaking of, happy bloodysunday folx 1599954;1484008280;ben_vulpes;what nagging pete_dushenski ? 1599955;1484008292;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: orthodox xmas too 1599956;1484008392;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: beeping and flashing orange dash light every time traction control activates, which in rwd car with 275 rear section tires on freshly snowed roads is... constant. 1599957;1484008411;ben_vulpes;aha k. 1599958;1484008433;ben_vulpes;beeping too? 1599959;1484008434;pete_dushenski;the beeping only comes on when tc is REALLY going hard, but flashing dash light flickers with the mildest invocation 1599960;1484008510;ben_vulpes;yeah non-locking rear is an odd duck 1599961;1484008522;ben_vulpes;"fuel economy" is the argument, right? 1599962;1484008558;pete_dushenski;it's goddam inexcusable. i think 'progress' is the going claim for open diff v rear locking diff 1599963;1484008647;ben_vulpes;ahaha alf pasted a gpggram or wut 1599964;1484008674;pete_dushenski;'saddam' my 27yo merc WITH LOCKING DIFF will be taking over dd duty, despite having a much shitter heater, until the roads are cleaned up. 1599965;1484008681;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: what i really want is a transmission that directs all power to the spinning wheel. it's spinning, that's how you know it's the one that needs the power! 1599966;1484008701;pete_dushenski;lol 1599967;1484008703;mircea_popescu;lmao 1599968;1484008710;mircea_popescu;republican transmission control. 1599969;1484008757;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so basically emacs telnets into the server or wut ? 1599970;1484008783;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: user ssh's into server, opens running emacs with `emacsclient -nw` 1599971;1484008803;mircea_popescu;eh i dun wanna type over the wire for one thing 1599972;1484008803;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: something like this is way too tempting atm : http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-mercedes-benz-g/ 1599973;1484008820;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: keypress timing? :P 1599974;1484008824;mircea_popescu;in general. 1599975;1484008842;ben_vulpes;yeah, i've heard you object to that before. 1599976;1484008872;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i want one that's 10 years old with plenty of dinged up body panels 1599977;1484008913;mircea_popescu;"i want to buy a c classe from a real used up hooker with real cum stains on the interior" 1599978;1484008915;ben_vulpes;mid-nineties suburbans are more my style. the 3/4 ton body... 1599979;1484008940;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: when buying snake oil... 1599980;1484008957;mircea_popescu;lmao 1599981;1484008959;mircea_popescu;snake oil. 1599982;1484008969;BingoBoingo;Anyways bad winter weather demands Saturn plasticar. Body panels self undent! 1599983;1484008982;BingoBoingo;Unless they split or tear 1599984;1484008983;ben_vulpes;sheesh bb 1599985;1484008984;mircea_popescu;"why did you break up with josh ?" "his one eyed snake was a one oil snake" 1599986;1484009011;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: stop trying to hawk your electric toothbrush wouldja 1599987;1484009024;ben_vulpes;"my snake only works with coconut oil" 1599988;1484009035;mircea_popescu;no it's really good, he mounted blades on it, can now mow the sidewalk 1599989;1484009071;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well gotta keep the record of excellence in the log so we can point gabriel to a minimum viable residence 1599990;1484009102;pete_dushenski;there's that. 1599991;1484009135;pete_dushenski;even if eagles are more a republican bird than hawks. 1599992;1484009193;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aight, i'll see about this eval-ing of text from mp-supplied urls 1599993;1484009195;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: you could surely get a deal on a dirty, beat-to-shit g-wagen. from what i hear they're not cheap to maintain 1599994;1484009205;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: noshit.png 1599995;1484009218;ben_vulpes;handcrafted benzo, cheap to maintain fuckinlol 1599996;1484009232;pete_dushenski;but even for a handcrafted merc! 1599997;1484009234;ben_vulpes;noty, i think i'll stick with toyotas 1599998;1484009266;pete_dushenski;handcrafted, recall, by magna steyr, not merc proper 1599999;1484009348;ben_vulpes;yeah, not particularly interested in snowflakes of ~any variety. 1600000;1484009396;BingoBoingo;In other news, adventures in furniture making have begun. Bookshelf started and completed in ~2.5 hours. 47" tall 23" shelves, plantation raised monterey pine, held with 2-1/2" construction screws. 1600001;1484009434;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: pics? 1600002;1484009453;BingoBoingo;pics coming after sobertime. This was the teaser. 1600003;1484009537;ben_vulpes;see ya 1600004;1484010472;pete_dushenski;speaking of snowflakes, if every herpaderp is a citizen and a qualified human being right out the womb, it's about time that chickens get the vote too. they're bright enough! http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10071-016-1064-4 1600005;1484010488;pete_dushenski;inb4 'birdbrain' becomes a compliment in the 4th reich 1600006;1484010507;pete_dushenski;"My overall conclusion is that chickens are just as cognitively, emotionally and socially complex as most other birds and mammals in many areas, and that there is a need for further noninvasive comparative behavioral research with chickens as well as a re-framing of current views about their intelligence." 1600007;1484010634;ben_vulpes;animal rights has been the funniest joke about progressivism since before women were even up for the franchise 1600008;1484010659;pete_dushenski;"In particular, the avian forebrain (the part of the brain involved in problem-solving and other higher-order cognitive capacities) is actually derived from the same neuroanatomical substrate as the mammalian forebrain, providing more potential evidence for similar cognitive capacities in the two groups (Jarvis et al. 2005)." << see ? just like you and me. 1600009;1484010689;ben_vulpes;i can't remember who it was (byron? meep, no clue), but held that "before long, they'll be wanting rights for cats and dogs, cows and hogs" 1600010;1484010721;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: and somehow the conclusion that "most humans are barely over the cognitive threshold of a farm animal" never presents itself 1600011;1484010724;pete_dushenski;lord byron ? 1600012;1484010730;ben_vulpes;the one, but that's probably not right. 1600013;1484010759;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: that conclusion only lives here, ie. between the lines. 1600014;1484010775;ben_vulpes;the memory fabricator is in full swing over here. wants to say that it was a tome that fell out of a moldbug piece but i really have nfi. 1600015;1484010799;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski et al : where is the auto that still has rubber bumper ? 1600016;1484010806;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i have one 1600017;1484010812;ben_vulpes;polyurethane 1600018;1484010837;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: eh theory prolly wasn't unique to byron anyways. greeks likely had it. 1600019;1484010839;asciilifeform;betcha it's another 'banned in eu pederastylands' item 1600020;1484010883;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i'll save that story for another time. it's a gooder. 1600021;1484010898;*;pete_dushenski to pick up l'enfant. bbl. 1600022;1484011468;mircea_popescu;lol "same neuroanatomical substrate". nobody knows anything anymore do they. "cpu and beach are made of the same granularoabrasive substrate so there may be a secret place to plug in every beach. more non-invasive searching for the beach power cord is in order." 1600023;1484011718;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/cd8fbac68a87f9a757def926fe669712/tumblr_o15nw9aWGB1uh08a7o1_1280.jpg << and the SLUT breastplate actually exists 1600024;1484013079;asciilifeform;'It took me a while to overcome my disgust –I am still not fully familiar with the way non-risk takers work; they actually don’t realize that others are not like them, what makes people in the real world tick. No, businessmen as risk takers are not subjected to the judgment of other businessmen, only that of their personal accountant –unless they are peons in a hierarchy...' << ftr this is the allergen that gives asciilifeform 1600025;1484013079;asciilifeform;upper endurance of ~5min. when reading taleb. 1600026;1484013085;asciilifeform;d00d just can't stop pulling own cock. 1600027;1484013127;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524369 . 1600028;1484013127;a111;Logged on 2016-08-18 13:58 asciilifeform: y begin to understand that a hacker is someone who resembles Eric Raymond. Dave Winer has recently and mercifully moved his essays off to audio, but you can still hear him snorfling cashew nuts and talking at length about what it means to be a blogger[7] . These essays and this writing style are tempting to people outside the subculture at hand because of their engaging personal tone and idiosyncratic, insider's view. But after a whi 1600029;1484013207;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's talking about old women. 1600030;1484013238;asciilifeform;this is not obvious from the linked piece. 1600031;1484013243;mircea_popescu;yeah, granted. 1600032;1484013258;mircea_popescu;but the piece says "dumbass does NOT have a say in how her daughter is used." 1600033;1484013303;mircea_popescu;just, he doesn't know how to speak, because not educated [in this field] and consequently trades the offending of the many for the offending of the few. obviously a bad deal. 1600034;1484013437;mircea_popescu;now this said, more in the general he does have a tedious self-promoting tone. i expect it's scar tissue from years spent in us corps, among idiots disinclined to naturally bow to their betters. 1600035;1484013710;asciilifeform;i will also note that pete_dushenski for some perverse reason often copies this style and it is extremely taxing. 1600036;1484013755;asciilifeform;always reminds me of this gurl (undergrad) who REALLYWANTED!111 to be a GreatMathematician and decided to... copy the quirks, nervous ticks, of paul erdos. as described in the biography. 1600037;1484013773;asciilifeform;starting from the most nonsensical (e.g. inability to use a can opener) 1600038;1484014316;phf;seems like a math grad thing. i know a handful of people who do shit like that 1600039;1484014400;asciilifeform;it is about as becoming of an adult as trying to speed up bicycle by 'vroom, vrooom, vrooom!' 1600040;1484014804;phf;"... есть истории, как И. В. Курчатова звали при отказе установки, он приходил, обнимал ее, и она начинала работать ..." 1600041;1484014866;phf;(this is totally unrelated, i just don't feel one way or another about subj. when i was in my early twenties i also adopted mannerisms. i agree though, is not becoming of ~adult~) 1600042;1484015124;gabriel_laddel_p;!!rate BingoBoingo -1 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1599989 < no. 1600043;1484015124;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 00:44 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well gotta keep the record of excellence in the log so we can point gabriel to a minimum viable residence 1600044;1484015125;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/OJ1nf/?raw=true 1600045;1484015152;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p really knows how to Win Phriendz And Influence People!11 1600046;1484015175;phf;маразм крепчал 1600047;1484015176;gabriel_laddel_p;!!v 7C35852065204B6A39F4EA153F9FE5A72C757681210572333C60460DCE525E87 1600048;1484015176;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p rated BingoBoingo -1 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1599989 < no. 1600049;1484015191;asciilifeform;phf: quite 1600050;1484015246;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4278 1600051;1484015270;asciilifeform;4 jan. 2017 : ' Multiple vulnerabilities in the NVIDIA Windows GPU Display Driver kernel mode layer (nvlddmkm.sys) handler for DxgDdiEscape and a vulnerability in the Linux GPU Display Driver kernel mode layer (nvidia.ko)' 1600052;1484015431;gabriel_laddel_p;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600006 < if we're going to talk to anything, let's talk to dolphins. http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/vocal.htm 1600053;1484015431;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 01:08 pete_dushenski: "My overall conclusion is that chickens are just as cognitively, emotionally and socially complex as most other birds and mammals in many areas, and that there is a need for further noninvasive comparative behavioral research with chickens as well as a re-framing of current views about their intelligence." 1600054;1484015500;gabriel_laddel_p;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsp_JTtE3-w 1600055;1484015515;gabriel_laddel_p;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBYU1eayaXs&t=8s 1600056;1484015678;mircea_popescu;who the fuck reads biographies of mathematicians. 1600057;1484015700;*;gabriel_laddel_p did/does 1600058;1484015709;gabriel_laddel_p;"the men of mathematics" 1600059;1484015718;mircea_popescu;the shopping lists of great writers, also ? 1600060;1484015747;mircea_popescu;i cant readily think of any less interesting subject of a biography than a mathematician. if the dude spent his life in solitary confinment with pen and paper it'd make nary a difference. 1600061;1484015763;gabriel_laddel_p;find me an engaging shopping list of "great writers" and I'll read it. 1600062;1484015891;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600056 << i do 1600063;1484015891;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 02:34 mircea_popescu: who the fuck reads biographies of mathematicians. 1600064;1484015968;phf;i once read grothendieck's récoltes et semailles, which is a kind of an autobiography 1600065;1484015974;trinque;gabriel_laddel_p: the crying/flailing has gotten old by now. 1600066;1484015977;trinque;!!v 72F868B95E14F160E81EA75C021FF45D12A9C771040BE809B7F1442835DD19C6 1600067;1484015977;deedbot;trinque unrated gabriel_laddel_p. 1600068;1484016002;trinque;you should feel honored that folks spent as much time as they did trying to right your ship. 1600069;1484016011;gabriel_laddel_p;dude wtf are you on about 1600070;1484016028;gabriel_laddel_p;you programmed atop these machines for how many years before discovering lisp? 1600071;1484016215;phf;gabriel_laddel_p: you forgot most important url http://web.archive.org/web/20040714000607/http://www.dolphinsex.org/ 1600072;1484016241;phf;though apparently it's been gone from the web for a while now 1600073;1484016427;gabriel_laddel_p;phf: Humans are charming, aren't they? 1600074;1484017068;trinque;gabriel_laddel_p: I didn't say a thing about lisp. 1600075;1484017200;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: I see no one could interpret my rating of BingoBoingo as crying/flailing, and the only "ship" of mine people here have attempted to right is Masamune. 1600076;1484017241;gabriel_laddel_p;As such, I concluded that my rating was (in your view) "teh last straw!111! 1600077;1484017270;gabriel_laddel_p;and referenced the heart of the matter - lisp 1600078;1484017276;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: didja ever read mircea_popescu's guide to wotronics ? 1600079;1484017289;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: yes 1600080;1484017304;asciilifeform;concerning the meaning of ratings, i.e. conveying degrees of certainty 1600081;1484017357;gabriel_laddel_p;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/asciilifeform/ 1600082;1484017359;gabriel_laddel_p;-10 magicaltux -0.5 49 7,566 Feb 26, 2014 pathetic Judas Goat. 1600083;1484017370;asciilifeform;good example (though link to obsolete wotron) 1600084;1484017377;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: didja grok my drift via my rating? 1600085;1484017380;asciilifeform;wot.deedbot.org is the current. 1600086;1484017386;gabriel_laddel_p;ya I know 1600087;1484017391;gabriel_laddel_p;systems exist to be abused, was intentional 1600088;1484017418;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: pro tip: when you abuse things, they will also abuse you back. 1600089;1484017468;gabriel_laddel_p;if you don't want to hear what I've got to say, just negrate me, !!down and be done with it. 1600090;1484017500;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, but i actually follow the formulation given in mircea_popescu's handbook 1600091;1484017506;trinque;the saner and more beneficial path is to learn. 1600092;1484017526;asciilifeform;in re degrees of certainty. e.g., earning the -10 is quite an achievement, it requires being a reliable compass of nogoodness 1600093;1484017543;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: what _exactly_ have you done with your life that makes your advice so worthwhile? 1600094;1484017564;trinque;I am not the one begging with hat in hand. 1600095;1484017571;gabriel_laddel_p;trinque: what begging? 1600096;1484017580;gabriel_laddel_p;there are public logs, gimme a link 1600097;1484017636;trinque;the unrate indicates my level of interest in subj 1600098;1484017651;gabriel_laddel_p;lol 1600099;1484017847;mircea_popescu;yeah this is not particularly useful. gabriel_laddel_p you're in no position to a) challenge anyone here ; b) hurr durr about what you've done. you've done nothing, outside of being yet another of california's loud bums. 1600100;1484017868;mircea_popescu;now stfu of your own accord before you have to be stfu'd through even more effort from people who, unlike you, do things. 1600101;1484018517;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: am I allowed to respond to people who reference me in the logs? 1600102;1484018566;gabriel_laddel_p;and if not, what would you like done such that I may? 1600103;1484018587;gabriel_laddel_p;and can I substitute it with working out the ternary circuts I asked adlai to do? 1600104;1484018872;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: if you're feeling energetic, by all means, do something useful. (also there is the option of being useless, but quietly) 1600105;1484018896;asciilifeform;there is a multikilometre-length list of unsolved problems, undone chores. 1600106;1484018938;mircea_popescu;just shut up / go away. 1600107;1484018948;gabriel_laddel_p;mk 1600108;1484018952;asciilifeform;i'm not familiar enough with gabriel_laddel_p's background to suggest particulars. but since he mentioned ternary arithmetrons, why not go and find out how many muller gates can fit in a lattice igloo. 1600109;1484018953;asciilifeform;eh. 1600110;1484018960;mircea_popescu;good enough. 1600111;1484018993;mircea_popescu;and ftr, a somebody who is or is suspected to be smart enough to have done stuff and hasn't isn't thereby above someone who is too dumb to have done anything. on the contrary, and deeply so. 1600112;1484019011;mircea_popescu;you can train a bright monkey to do plenty of the things off that list ; but the intelligent can not be helped. 1600113;1484019019;mircea_popescu;i'd rather try to rescue drunks. 1600114;1484019883;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: does the igloo2 product line have something hilariously wrong with it a la apu2? 1600115;1484019968;mircea_popescu;this cliki thing is written by annoying people. 1600116;1484019992;ben_vulpes;lol written? by people? 1600117;1484020057;ben_vulpes;half the time i bounce through cliki i end up in a loop of this pointing to that pointing to some Person page pointing back to the totally uninformative original page 1600118;1484020076;mircea_popescu;dude they have a "person" page, "superintelligent shades of color blue" ? 1600119;1484020109;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600113 << then yer in luck, i suspect that g_l is a good candidate for drink, probably has 6 months or so until hitting bottom 1600120;1484020109;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 03:30 mircea_popescu: i'd rather try to rescue drunks. 1600121;1484020114;mircea_popescu;what, everyone wants to write the bootlegger's guide to $object, because it's such a funny recipe, you just add water in the shape of own drool and presto, another cracked.com article ? 1600122;1484020153;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "put this OVER THERE" except over there 519s 1600123;1484020178;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600114 << i actually misspoke -- 'igloo' line, afaik was never reversed . 1600124;1484020178;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 03:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does the igloo2 product line have something hilariously wrong with it a la apu2? 1600125;1484020183;asciilifeform;meant -- 'ice'. 1600126;1484020194;ben_vulpes;ah 1600127;1484020196;asciilifeform;i keep confusing them because there is an 'igloo' in the sageprobe. 1600128;1484020209;asciilifeform;containing the glue logic b/w the amd debug bus and the arm micro. 1600129;1484020249;ben_vulpes;and in other NICs: "A software-defined full duplex 10baseT Network Interface Controller is implemented as a team of nodes controlling transmit and receive signal pins directly. The signals are conditioned by minimal electrical interface circuitry. External transmit timing is used. The team is designed to function as a memory-mapped device but may be stripped down for direct use by other node teams." 1600130;1484020260;*;ben_vulpes currently reading http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/greg/AN007-141112-10BASET.pdf 1600131;1484020277;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 10baseT is surprisingly easy to 'bitbang-implement' 1600132;1484020286;asciilifeform;(try it, it is enlightening) 1600133;1484020354;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: moore's greenarray is really closer to fpga (but with hypertrophied LUTs!) than to a cpu 1600134;1484020390;asciilifeform;when you read it as 'slow fpga' it seems imho less appealing. 1600135;1484020451;ben_vulpes;well i read it as "forth chip by chuck moore" and that's more appealing than anything else i've seen. 1600136;1484020464;phf;man built own xanadu, and moved in 1600137;1484020467;ben_vulpes;you've even said that chip speed is trumped by coherent semantics to the bedrock. 1600138;1484020472;asciilifeform;now! it ~is~ 'republican' in the sense where -- iirc -- moore eschews the traditional '1000 terabyte and 10x10^8 dollars' fab toolchain in favour of his own 1600139;1484020483;asciilifeform;but this is an apocryphal thing, afaik he has not published the entire thing anywhere. 1600140;1484020520;mircea_popescu;iirc he made some ridiculously tiny toolchains too 1600141;1484020524;asciilifeform;he did. 1600142;1484020532;mircea_popescu;guy really should be here already. 1600143;1484020538;ben_vulpes;too old 1600144;1484020544;asciilifeform;afaik his logic synthesistron is not published. i would dearly love to be proven wrong about this tho. 1600145;1484020550;mircea_popescu;yea. 1600146;1484020598;ben_vulpes;fwiw, intel holds that several 'important' (i cannot evaluate that) forth greybeards have been distracted by very strange flugencraft 1600147;1484020620;mircea_popescu;as in ufos ? 1600148;1484020633;*;trinque turns on top gun theme 1600149;1484020638;ben_vulpes;laser ignition of exotic fuel bits 1600150;1484020671;trinque;ah, thought ya meant they were eaten by fighter manufacturers. 1600151;1484020677;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: forth greybeards >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378204 1600152;1484020677;a111;Logged on 2016-01-20 03:44 asciilifeform had 'tricks of the unix masters', old maculature crud, on his shelf as a student, and an actual greybeard saw, asked 'where is your 'tricks of the doom masters' to go next to this' 1600153;1484020703;mircea_popescu;lol 1600154;1484020715;asciilifeform;forth is not cl, with bottomless pits of lore and despair, MOPs, eldritch corners of standard, feuding committees. 1600155;1484020721;asciilifeform;it is more of a hand-saw. 1600156;1484020739;ben_vulpes;sounded complex and unlikely to find a home between traditional turbine and rel-style multimodal rockets 1600157;1484020745;ben_vulpes;so, gc'd 1600158;1484020761;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and? 1600159;1484020912;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it isn't really a language with 'greybeard potential', no dark corners, 50pg. standard. if you wanted to program your interstellar ship in it, you would go to look for intelligent engineers and teach'em forth (in about a day), rather than to look for 'forth greybeard' 1600160;1484020960;asciilifeform;if this sounds perplexing, go an' pick up the language, it will take you an evening or so. 1600161;1484021001;ben_vulpes;i suppose that i mean "men who have built their own shops out of forth" 1600162;1484021018;asciilifeform;plenty of these 1600163;1484021035;ben_vulpes;did not realize that greybeard meant "master of arcana", was using it to mean "wizards of great power" 1600164;1484021042;asciilifeform;iirc we had a thread about an engine tuning d00d who ran one. on '80s micros too, to this day. 1600165;1484021046;mircea_popescu;varies with user. 1600166;1484021131;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i can't resist asking: 1600167;1484021140;asciilifeform;what the hell do you use for optics in a laser-ignited rocket motor ? 1600168;1484021150;mircea_popescu;DIAMOND!!1 1600169;1484021161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not crackpotty enough 1600170;1484021176;mircea_popescu;magnetically suspended carbon trioxide. 1600171;1484021188;asciilifeform;i was picturing a tesla-valvular-conduit, with vortex flaps pointing in the direction of the exhaust, running the length of the rocket. 1600172;1484021193;asciilifeform;and ordinary laser at the tip. 1600173;1484021212;mircea_popescu;HILLARY CLINTON'S TRANSPARENT LIES 1600174;1484021227;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-10#971559 << thread 1600175;1484021227;a111;Logged on 2015-01-10 01:30 asciilifeform: PeterL: at the time, various folks (including mr. t) were experimenting with electron tubes of various descriptions. t claimed to have one 'open to the air' on one end (!) 1600176;1484021240;ben_vulpes;'twasn't a rocket. did i say rocket? 1600177;1484021259;ben_vulpes;i did say gc'd 1600178;1484021279;asciilifeform;http://hight3ch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tesla-valve.jpg << subj 1600179;1484021281;ben_vulpes;but the memory fabricator insists it was derived from ice-likes 1600180;1484021296;mircea_popescu;as in they sat around passing a glass pipe, ice ? 1600181;1484021370;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you were thinking 'laser fusion' -- it's a cynical fraud, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#921351 1600182;1484021370;a111;Logged on 2014-11-14 05:46 asciilifeform: http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f14/Volume%201%20NNSA.pdf << mega-turd. i don't expect that anyone will read it. but i did. and will relate, how obscenely it brags about the extraordinary bezzle of the u.s. 'national ignition facility' 1600183;1484021403;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501221 << continued ) 1600184;1484021403;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: fundamental reason being, a gigantic machine employs and merit-washes 1,000,001 mediocrities 1600185;1484021408;asciilifeform;but anyway 1600186;1484021519;mircea_popescu;is this where your hatred of cyclotrons was nursed ? 1600187;1484021558;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'internal combusion engine' 1600188;1484021573;asciilifeform;i dun hate cyclotrons. but i do quite dislike ornate pseudoscientific frauds. 1600189;1484021600;asciilifeform;and generators of 'Moar Studies Needed' (tm) (r) 1600190;1484021653;asciilifeform;'Но вы ж ведь там задохнетесь за синхрофазотронами, А тут места отличные — воздушные места!' (tm) (r) (vysotsky) 1600191;1484021746;BingoBoingo; i'd rather try to rescue drunks. << Is there any better way to stay sober? 1600192;1484021801;*;phf pours some vodka into a походный алюминиевый стакан for asciilifeform 1600193;1484021807;mircea_popescu;eh, nobody rescues em, that's why there's AA. 1600194;1484021808;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'u.s. national ignition centre' is an unholy cocktail of 'scientocracy'. it has three purposes: 1) ensure that laser-initiated fusion chain reaction is not discovered. (distant) 2) -- 'if discovered, must be under usg roof' 3) employ 1,000,000 'physics'-flavoured mediocrities 1600195;1484021835;*;asciilifeform raises the glass, drinks. 1600196;1484021916;*;asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu familiar with subj 1600197;1484021918;asciilifeform;http://machete93.ru/image/data/TURIZM/Posuda/6a397bcddc5bf7a28f3c2d162a9f8984-500x500.jpg << example. 1600198;1484021930;asciilifeform;think 'chapeau claque' but for shot glass. 1600199;1484022022;BingoBoingo;!!v F9AD9B2D545BDFB82E410F2A9B1A5591ADE8C0A48B56BE9F1DC4DBB9678E2335 1600200;1484022022;deedbot;BingoBoingo rated gabriel_laddel_p -1 << Alleged Cali bum boi, Powerless and his life is unmanageable. Refuses submission to powers greater than himself. 1600201;1484022041;pete_dushenski;speaking of raising a glass, how about one for the taiwanese politician who had a public funeral parade... with strippers... on jeep yj's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIB09qEy1Vk 1600202;1484022043;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fwiw, "laster initiated fusion" is exactly under http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588196 ; do teh math, it's not there. 1600203;1484022043;a111;Logged on 2016-12-22 06:44 ben_vulpes: lol yes, most boys 1600204;1484022055;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's step 12 1600205;1484022064;BingoBoingo;And there's always more drunks 1600206;1484022136;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's not there. you can trivially ~initiate~, right in your kitchen, with laser. what nobody can do is ~confine~ so that chain react. 1600207;1484022136;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski not bad. so everyone's agreed, taiwan's a lost cause huh. 1600208;1484022139;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the style is borne of living in middleclassistan. please excuse its regular recurrence. still working on growing out of this shadow. 1600209;1484022162;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in that sense you can initiate with prayer. 1600210;1484022174;mircea_popescu;heck, you can "initiate" pair generation if you loosen it enough 1600211;1484022190;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can initiate with hammer. we had thread. 1600212;1484022194;asciilifeform;(it dun do much good) 1600213;1484022214;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: tw is at least going out with a party. 1600214;1484022222;mircea_popescu;yeah. good choice too. 1600215;1484022235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so we did. 1600216;1484022272;*;asciilifeform used to work with d00d from tw, interestingly a dbtronics greybeard, and asked him 'ready to fight for your motherland against dirty reds' . he looked as if beholding a martian 1600217;1484022283;asciilifeform;said 'what have you smoked, nobody will fight' 1600218;1484022302;mircea_popescu;they'll tweet about it though. 1600219;1484022308;BingoBoingo; it is more of a hand-saw. << IN other handsaw, potato quality pic http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/shelf.jpg 1600220;1484022333;mircea_popescu;o look, it's just like a shelf! 1600221;1484022383;BingoBoingo;Indeed, anyways ben_vulpes demanded pic 1600222;1484022430;BingoBoingo;turns out making square cuts with handsaw is more of a challenge than I thought 1600223;1484022449;BingoBoingo;*making square cuts freehand 1600224;1484022471;BingoBoingo;hence 23 inch shelves instead of 24 inch as was planned 1600225;1484022480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, why no pair generation ? 1MeV photons, thin layer of heavy atoms to support the phenomena, strong magnetic field to separate the end products... 1600226;1484022487;mircea_popescu;antimatter bomb much better than nuclear bomb. 1600227;1484023059;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: "proper bookshelf has doors"(tm)(r) 1600228;1484023078;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: That's a bookcase. 1600229;1484023088;BingoBoingo;You can close a case, a shelf just is 1600230;1484023128;pete_dushenski;then no such thing as a proper bookshelf i guess 1600231;1484023152;pete_dushenski;it's like proper windows computer 1600232;1484023213;pete_dushenski;has many of the elements of a proper tool but isn't quite all the way there, even if it's a sterling example of its kind. 1600233;1484023489;BingoBoingo;Nah, there's a substantial difference. A windows computer is an active evil. A bookshelf is a functional item that trades dust protection for not spending a second and a third day making doors and hinges 1600234;1484023550;BingoBoingo;Anyways doors would have require 1x12 lumber instead of 1x8 lumber for the sides making the shelf heavier and less portable when loaded 1600235;1484023683;pete_dushenski;are you planning on moving in the near term ? 1600236;1484023718;pete_dushenski;even if you are, not like you can't hire movers 1600237;1484023721;BingoBoingo;I live life one day at a time. 1600238;1484023822;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: you know i think my girl finally wrapped her head around that particular fabrication challenge in 2016 1600239;1484023843;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: How did she take it? 1600240;1484023965;ben_vulpes;"...and the wisdom to know the difference" 1600241;1484024111;BingoBoingo;Ah 1600242;1484024311;*;pete_dushenski presently updating bash reel for first time since october. needs more nominations u guise! 1600243;1484024555;pete_dushenski;some real quality lulz in the last couple months tho 1600244;1484025108;mircea_popescu;o lessee 1600245;1484025259;pete_dushenski;http://bash.contravex.com 1600246;1484025267;mircea_popescu;yeh 1600247;1484025273;pete_dushenski;6 new entries added 1600248;1484025282;pete_dushenski;150% growth! 1600249;1484025538;pete_dushenski;speaking of lulz, carlos ghosn seen here lying through his teeth about how 'relaxing' driving his infiniti autonomous car is while he nervously hovers his hands over around the steering wheel while in motion lest the robot steer him into incoming traffic at any moment : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJOGZX6_WVc 1600250;1484025783;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: that's just how he holds his hands! 1600251;1484025793;ben_vulpes;look at him talk with them, same thing 1600252;1484025836;mircea_popescu;fucking nissan 1600253;1484025870;mircea_popescu;anyway, he's required to do that, evidently not his idea. 1600254;1484025882;ben_vulpes;fuckin legal 1600255;1484026025;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: maybe that's how all successful ceo's hold their hands while driving. now watch wannabes copy this move like girl who can't use canopener. 1600256;1484026133;ben_vulpes;let the cargo culting begin 1600257;1484026296;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: speaking of car entertainment, you been keeping up with grand tour ? i have to say that i've regretted watching everything i have above and beyond episodes 1, 3, and 4. 1600258;1484026315;ben_vulpes;nope. 1600259;1484026334;ben_vulpes;the tedium of episode 2 was enough for me. 1600260;1484026352;ben_vulpes;r kelly's trapped in the closet on the other hand, i watched over twenty episodes of. 1600261;1484026388;ben_vulpes;utterly. fucking. hysterical. mostly because it's not ever clear how funny the script is on purpose and how funny on accident. 1600262;1484026401;ben_vulpes;also features omar from the wire playing a cop. 1600263;1484026430;pete_dushenski;i think i've narrowed down the issue with grand tour to the singular : jeremy clarkson, james may, and richard hammond are too fucking old to be interesting or relevant. 1600264;1484026455;ben_vulpes;i have a different take 1600265;1484026477;ben_vulpes;too much talking, not enough hooning about. 1600266;1484026531;mircea_popescu;anything but sitting and talking is expensive. this is the fundamental mantra organising all tv. 1600267;1484026552;mircea_popescu;gotta fill the air ; everything but talk is expensive. so "news" and "talkshows" and "reality tv" and anything. it'll be talking. 1600268;1484026580;ben_vulpes;wasted the lavish budget they squeezed out of uncle jeff on such fucking retarded hijinks in e2 i could not continue 1600269;1484026607;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the truly sad thing about the show is that they have the budget to hoon in style but choose instead retarded fucking tricks 1600270;1484026622;ben_vulpes;remember when the jackass boys sawed a sun roof into a murcielago or whatever? 1600271;1484026630;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ftr grand tour has budget of 160mn british pounds for 36 episodes 1600272;1484026630;ben_vulpes;NOW THAT'S USING A BUDGET TO GOOD EFFECT 1600273;1484026707;ben_vulpes;gallardo, scuse me. 1600274;1484026709;pete_dushenski;i could use to rewatch some jackass movies, or was there only the one in theatres ? 1600275;1484026747;ben_vulpes;ever watch the shows? 1600276;1484026778;pete_dushenski;a couple 1600277;1484026782;pete_dushenski;not much 1600278;1484026819;ben_vulpes;ah and apparently the sunroof was from viva la bam 1600279;1484026836;mircea_popescu;ah, then inexcusable. 1600280;1484026852;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: completely. 1600281;1484026889;mircea_popescu;what'd you have them do, put old steam/electric engine on truck bed, declare it hybrid ? 1600282;1484026902;mircea_popescu;7.8 bn torques!!! 1600283;1484026929;ben_vulpes;a runaway diesel would have been better than what i saw. 1600284;1484026938;ben_vulpes;now mind you, runaway diesels are fucking metal 1600285;1484027136;mircea_popescu;iirc chem plants pop from this failure mode quite often 1600286;1484027151;mircea_popescu;hydrocarbon leak -> feeds into air intake -> engine cycles -> more leak -> boom 1600287;1484027495;ben_vulpes;while we're on the topic, guess how i hunt for leaks in the corvette's vacuum system 1600288;1484029767;BingoBoingo;OMG look what idea Roger Ver ripped off now: https://archive.is/bJEk7 1600289;1484030804;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i never knew you were such a great physical comic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R8E3O4fvmU 1600290;1484034067;davout;https://www.scmagazine.com/debugging-mechanism-in-intel-cpus-allows-seizing-control-via-usb-port/article/630480/? <<< o noes 1600291;1484034080;ben_vulpes;oh choice 1600292;1484039631;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aight here's what i have so far 1600293;1484039634;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate#55 1600294;1484039758;ben_vulpes;here, better link: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-10#55 1600295;1484039804;ben_vulpes;definitely operating at the edge of my knowledge here what with running code from the web; a fair amount inside is a little shaky/shabby; and i have nfi what exciting attack vectors the system may present 1600296;1484040159;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ytYSP/?raw=true << misc details 1600297;1484040224;*;ben_vulpes off 1600298;1484053391;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600289 << lel i dun know these folx 1600299;1484053391;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 06:46 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i never knew you were such a great physical comic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R8E3O4fvmU 1600300;1484053433;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600288 >> 'Shortsighted people once laughed at the idea of a $1,000 Bitcoin. Today they laugh at the idea of a 1,000MB block. ' << lel 1600301;1484053433;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 06:29 BingoBoingo: OMG look what idea Roger Ver ripped off now: https://archive.is/bJEk7 1600302;1484053594;asciilifeform;in other lelz, specifically in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598644 , http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/01/wherefore-goes-germany.html (guest piece) >> 'When the beautiful daughter of an EU politician was brutally raped and drowned by a migrant in Freiburg last year, Tagesschau, the flagship newscast of state TV channel ARD did not report it at all and was forced to justify this two days later. They then called it “only a 1600303;1484053594;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 21:52 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/the-fourth-reich-grips-berlin/ << Qntra - The Fourth Reich Grips Berlin 1600304;1484053594;asciilifeform;case of regional interest,” making an even bigger mockery of themselves, because by then even the Washington Post took up the story. Similar things have happened on several similar occasions, and in each case the exposure the story received through social media made these events into running jokes. So, not reporting the news at all will not work any more, and it is time for Plan B: actual, real censorship of social media.' 1600305;1484053613;asciilifeform;'This plan is now in play, with the Merkel régime threatening to heavily fine social media platforms for… “fake news,” of course! The Ministry of the Interior is about to create a Disinformation Defence Center, to battle “fake news.” If you think that it sounds like Orwell’s Ministry of Truth, or the MfS in the old East Germany, that’s because it is. To be located very close to Merkel’s office in Berlin, this center 1600306;1484053613;asciilifeform;is supposed to “react very fast” to “disinformation” on social media, especially with an eye toward the general election in 2017, because fake news could “influence” said election and avoid the predetermined outcome (by making the voice of the people heard).' 1600307;1484053621;asciilifeform;gold. 1600308;1484054364;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600290 << oh noez, folx with physical access MIGHT be able to debug own kernel without buying $10,000 brick from intel and using winblowz box with $50,000 xdp turdware! oh noez. 1600309;1484054364;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 07:41 davout: https://www.scmagazine.com/debugging-mechanism-in-intel-cpus-allows-seizing-control-via-usb-port/article/630480/? <<< o noes 1600310;1484054403;asciilifeform;(in actuality the thing suxx, because it cannot -- usually -- be used to debug bios. a la sage probe (or intel's, xdp)) 1600311;1484054416;davout;was more about increased potential for weaponized usb rapesticks 1600312;1484054430;asciilifeform;those already existed. 1600313;1484054440;davout;'increased' 1600314;1484054480;asciilifeform;it is like the increase in diameter of german maidenz taking 1,001st syrian cock, after the 1,000th -- you will need a micrometer. 1600315;1484054483;davout;s/o noes/who could have predictioneered/ would have been more apt i guess 1600316;1484054485;asciilifeform;to observe the increase. 1600317;1484054661;asciilifeform;btw over the years i was able to purchase an xdp probe from a scrap dealer. but never once got hold of the software. so made no headway on reversing xdp. 1600318;1484055083;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'socialist bitcoin', http://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40854-016-0045-6 1600319;1484055097;asciilifeform;'The paper propose a new proof-of-work mechanism that improves decentralization and reduces the risk of 51% attack without increasing the risk of Sybil attack. This new mechanism introduces a series of principles such as Career open to all talents, without distinction of birth, Distribution according to labor and All Men are created equal.' 1600320;1484055185;asciilifeform;buried in this lengthy turd is the entirely valid observation that 'If Miner i cannot obtain a single block posted before Bi, he quits the business. Therefore, we investigate the time between any two consecutive events. As {Ii} is indeed a Bernoulli process, ... ' (concluding with 'miner cartel is +ev and inevitable') 1600321;1484056074;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1599940 << yes. :) not exactly herculean effort heh 1600322;1484056074;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 00:23 pete_dushenski: Framedragger: how did you reach out to taleb ? twitter ? 1600323;1484056530;asciilifeform;in yet other noose, https://archive.is/3aDwi << 'A Florida man pleaded guilty on Monday to charges that he conspired to operate an illegal bitcoin exchange .... Anthony Murgio, 33, entered his plea in federal court in Manhattan to three counts, including conspiracy to operate an unlicensed money transmitting business and conspiracy to commit bank fraud, a month before he was to face trial. Under a plea agreement, Murgio agreed not to 1600324;1484056530;asciilifeform; appeal any prison sentence of about 12-1/2 years in prison or less. U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan scheduled his sentencing for June 16.' 1600325;1484056714;mircea_popescu;lmao 1600326;1484056744;mircea_popescu;what the fuck must be going on in a 33 yo dork's head to agree not to appeal a prison sentence of 12 years ? 1600327;1484056760;mircea_popescu;what's his endgame, he comes out aged 40something and... ? what, enjoys medicare ? 1600328;1484056795;mircea_popescu;spends most of his productive years filling in for all the black slave jobs abraham lincoln disappeared out of the south to recreate in the north ? 1600329;1484056818;asciilifeform;i can almost see the pleabargain-of-the-fyootoor: 'mr idiot, 33, to forgo impalement or the anthill, agreed not appeal any death sentence of beheading or less' 1600330;1484056836;mircea_popescu;let them at least work it wtf. 1600331;1484056859;mircea_popescu;ustards are worse than ww2 jews i swear, "oh, dug own grave". dude, what ? 1600332;1484057245;asciilifeform;from same rag, https://archive.is/7UYeG >> 'A Chinese-American nuclear engineer pleaded guilty on Friday to conspiring to produce "special nuclear material" in China in violation of the U.S. Atomic Energy Act, the Department of Justice (DOJ) said.' 1600333;1484057255;asciilifeform;we had a thread about this, though for some reason i can't turn it up in the l0gz 1600334;1484057269;asciilifeform;re the weird extraterritorial thing usg has 1600335;1484057306;asciilifeform;'A DOJ official said Ho and an associate, Ching Ning Guey -- who pleaded guilty to the same charge in 2015 -- were the first to be charged for violation of the 1946 act, a Cold-War era statute aimed at preventing nuclear proliferation.' 1600336;1484057354;asciilifeform;the interesting bit omitted here is that this particular statute is written in such a way as to specifically claim jurisdiction over ~everyone~, and not simply usg subjects 1600337;1484057372;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why the chinese'd care ? 1600338;1484057373;asciilifeform;so if usg had been able to get hold of, say, kurchatov, he would have been tried. 1600339;1484057409;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: evidently d00d did business in usa, and set foot there, and now will never leave. 'roach motel.' 1600340;1484057418;mircea_popescu;idiot. 1600341;1484057580;asciilifeform;most folx seem to know better than to travel to the other northkr 1600342;1484057596;asciilifeform;why they come to this one, being in such a position, is beyond my puny brain 1600343;1484058309;mircea_popescu;there's a humongo vein of "couldn't happen to me" middle class morality. 1600344;1484058370;mircea_popescu;drives the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580129 behaviour 1600345;1484058370;a111;Logged on 2016-12-09 01:44 mircea_popescu: ~if i am~ a drug dealer and i burn down your house, you'll what ? file a police report ? go on the local news network with a teary eyed "no one could have predicted that if i get pissy with people who break the law for a living i might end up with a burned down house" ? 1600346;1484058540;*;asciilifeform searches in vain in dictionary for what you call an 'animal who has never been hunted and has nfi what dog or rifle sounds like or why they are interesting' in engl. 1600347;1484058573;mircea_popescu;dodo ? 1600348;1484058581;asciilifeform;in the more general case. 1600349;1484058586;asciilifeform;but it'll have to be -- dodo. 1600350;1484058590;mircea_popescu;dorkdo ? 1600351;1484058622;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121016 << convo re "qualia" ended up oddly related. 1600352;1484058959;asciilifeform;fwiw back when kreinin wrote that thing, i stopped reading him for a while. 1600353;1484058976;asciilifeform;didn't set bozo bit, but maxed dosimeter. 1600354;1484059020;*;asciilifeform quite allergic to vitalism 1600355;1484059153;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what they're thinking ; but it certainly isn't vitalism per se. at least that's respectable in a wild-eye delirious sort of way, like good cinema. 1600356;1484059181;mircea_popescu;this is a backdoor premature ejaculator's construct, i've nfi. the hope that doth not dare speak its proper name. 1600357;1484059277;mircea_popescu;but this entire "qualia" business is absolutely the crowning moment for "american philosophy", in the sense that the crown is made out of turds and the crowning solemnity is undistinguishable from giving whirlies. 1600358;1484059329;mircea_popescu;basically they've taken any 13yo favela living chick's fantasy of "maybe i'm secretly a princess" and rewrote it with a thesaurus at hand. seriously, this is the us contribution of the respectable discipline, a rewrite of old televisa scripts ? 1600359;1484059391;mircea_popescu;you should read the wiki page on it, too. "schroedinger maybe said something sometime about colors -- and here's a bunch of corn fed fucktards droning about nothing in particular". 1600360;1484059404;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B07110BE355C04EF6A0ED82DA4339D69AAF96809F15D2C6507C5C8903377EEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1380...7713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '166.139.128.207 (ssh-rsa key from 166.139.128.207 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (207.sub-166-139-128.myvzw.com. US) 1600361;1484059404;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ACD85EFD8124C77DDABF2DC550F10720CD746BF7F8B27A2358D50E68DB9C58D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1380...7713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '166.141.145.176 (ssh-rsa key from 166.141.145.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (176.sub-166-141-145.myvzw.com. US) 1600362;1484059404;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0BBE139F6F3ED9D5C03C67D97D5BC940EF0AB8806B88676DC4D48FF13A065411 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1734...7099 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.47.250.59 (ssh-rsa key from 202.47.250.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (thix.cat.net.th. TH) 1600363;1484059417;asciilifeform;i had the misfortune to encounter the 'qualia' thing as a student. barfed mightily. 1600364;1484059436;asciilifeform;and oh hey, lulzies, a former isp of mine 1600365;1484059522;asciilifeform;i happen to know that it does not (or at least several years ago, did not) have ssh built into konsoomer radiomodem. so these gotta be infrastructural pieces. 1600366;1484059532;mircea_popescu;maybe they bought some 1600367;1484059564;asciilifeform;(specifically they did not permit chumps incoming tcp) 1600368;1484059585;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1600369;1484059925;asciilifeform;and oh hey hey lbj: 1600370;1484059944;mircea_popescu;?! 1600371;1484059945;asciilifeform;both of the vzw's have ssltron on 4443, and we find: 1600372;1484060001;asciilifeform; 0 s:/C=US/ST=Washington/L=Liberty Lake/O=Itron/OU=NetOps/CN=CCU-0074046578-00120-47C80538-0142-459C-9787-82E520689E4E/emailAddress=cnods@itron.com 1600373;1484060001;asciilifeform; i:/DC=local/DC=ItronHosting/CN=ItronHosting-SCG-P-FN-DB-CA 1600374;1484060017;mircea_popescu;dude the shit you reference... 1600375;1484060026;asciilifeform;which brings us to : 'Imperial Irrigation District had an initiative in front of them that took into account replacing meters and reading processes. The utility also began looking for an IP-based remote meter reading solution that utilized hosted software. The hosted solution would need to work in conjunction with IID’s existing billing system while integrating its various data collection technologies— without requiring additiona 1600376;1484060027;asciilifeform;l expertise or more staff in the field. The new system would need inherent time-of-use (TOU) functionality to lessen peak demand and peak usage by C&I users and also web-based presentation to allow customers to analyze usage patterns. Relying on the previous success of Itron’s MV-RS® data collection system for its keyed reads, and prior satisfaction with Itron’s staff and support, IID again looked to Itron.' 1600377;1484060044;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1600378;1484060062;asciilifeform;it's, e.g., a gas meter. 1600379;1484060088;mircea_popescu;satisfactory satisfaction is satisfying. 1600380;1484060101;mircea_popescu;great thing this, the satisfaction of the wilfully deaf&dumb. 1600381;1484060195;mircea_popescu;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/57/7c/66/577c66dd8438d1fbf7166b3898309320.jpg << in other period memorabilia. 1600382;1484060203;mircea_popescu;"and if your brother won't rock - your sister will." 1600383;1484060213;asciilifeform;i'ma guess that the ssl certs on the debianized boxes will also phuctorize 1600384;1484060218;asciilifeform;when comes their time. 1600385;1484060282;mircea_popescu;seems likely. 1600386;1484060302;mircea_popescu;phuctor ends up with 1/3 of all moduli ever seen or some shit. 1600387;1484060314;mircea_popescu;this has been in my living memory the strongest case of "impossible -- o wait" 1600388;1484065101;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1600389;1484065108;asciilifeform;'The signing function in crypto/ecdsa/ecdsa_ossl.c in certain OpenSSL versions and forks is vulnerable to timing attacks when signing with the standardized elliptic curve P-256 despite featuring constant-time curve operations and modular inversion. A software defect omits setting the BN_FLG_CONSTTIME flag for nonces, failing to take a secure code path in the BN_mod_inverse method and therefore resulting in a cache-timing attack vulne 1600390;1484065108;asciilifeform;rability. A malicious user with local access can recover ECDSA P-256 private keys.' 1600391;1484065171;mircea_popescu;heh 1600392;1484065191;mircea_popescu;and then the chorus goes "don't roll your own crypto" 1600393;1484065199;mircea_popescu;yeah dude, totally, ima use openshit 1600394;1484065216;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/t2f2f/?raw=true 1600395;1484065216;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1600396;1484065825;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/backpage-com-stops-serving-adults/ << Qntra - Backpage.com Stops Serving Adults 1600397;1484069246;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E91C80F4D63CA6D05926B7D26D83DB89622619BAF243299BDC33070540CDBAA6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...2673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.195.238.57 (ssh-rsa key from 109.195.238.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (109x195x238x57.dynamic.rostov.ertelecom.ru. RU ROS) 1600398;1484071317;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0BBE139F6F3ED9D5C03C67D97D5BC940EF0AB8806B88676DC4D48FF13A065411 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1378...4419 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.47.250.59 (ssh-rsa key from 202.47.250.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (thix.cat.net.th. TH) 1600399;1484072272;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/A6APK/?raw=true 1600400;1484072272;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1600401;1484072877;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/285F4590C1ECCF184089D39D2D4A1F5A042CD6044D9742F24E170D4F3BF4519C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1591...2237 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.217 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-14-217.dc0.ghst.net. FR) 1600402;1484073957;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/reputation-base-altcoin-fails-on-broken-function-before-launch/ << Qntra - "Reputation" Base Altcoin Fails On Broken Function Before Launch 1600403;1484074034;asciilifeform;'The entire blockchain ecosystem suffers when situations like this reflect insecurities. Bugs are always going to plague computer code, but when found in such a fledgling field, they are scrutinized and can cause skepticism. To ensure the safety and reliability of any code written, it’s important to follow industry standard best practices.' << ahahahahahaha 1600404;1484074035;asciilifeform;gold 1600405;1484074043;asciilifeform;BEST PRACTICES!!! 1600406;1484074046;asciilifeform;didjaknow 1600407;1484074098;davout;of course, what were we thinking 1600408;1484074131;trinque;guy took a lot of characters to say "this is good for ethereum" 1600409;1484074588;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E1D45A0AF4815E1C3E1064A645FA932ABEECD3F27F2D1282E95EAA6090F50205 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1618...5657 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.91.109.246 (ssh-rsa key from 81.91.109.246 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (81-91-109-246.voip.lucknampark.co.uk. GB) 1600410;1484075456;mircea_popescu;poor ethereum. 1600411;1484075638;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2017/validation-is-available-for-all-clientele-in-the-lobby/ << The Whet - Validation is available for all clientele in the lobby. 1600412;1484080097;ben_vulpes;https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/10/consumer-reports-turned-off-safari-cache-for-their-macbook-pro-battery-tests/ << computers are for browsing the web! 1600413;1484081369;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E398AB2D76701B47540512A265F39492F768F68C2ABFFAF708B52A5F1FCEA627 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1046...7473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.223 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.223 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600414;1484081369;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/203F16439790F93F40EDE8B6DDC2D70A8576C55FDB4E41ECD2480E4DB243AB19 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1074...5353 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.27 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.27 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600415;1484081369;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/05654F6204A0FB615199D4DB4E442FFFCA74621F46A18B5E74CB978504E480F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3388...3887 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.148 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.148 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown EG) 1600416;1484081369;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B456AF896D721D27D0A49F5133F0E616018AAAA254EBFA90153EBD8D7AE988C1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9809...5633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.185 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600417;1484081370;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9CA2F617FF1AE07F810319A1B5FA7482903D44720FB605C30F46B965933EDB7B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1067...7103 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.248 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600418;1484081370;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/789F7D35FD7FBC95C83799BD7B4A4E020821D96673C3B0619CDCC267E66AD970 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9976...0419 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.5.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.5.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600419;1484081371;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E840C2FC34B3F9B8B95E6D12E18267E717ACBE1494C34DFA9055710347573A7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3449...2349 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '116.105.59.120 (ssh-rsa key from 116.105.59.120 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown VN 64) 1600420;1484081371;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/462B81C6D36BC1EEB1B52DA99EC1E704C722910F6398C0CD4154C663D3A61D09 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1083...1413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.205 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX JAL) 1600421;1484081372;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D0AC0C30BC34D89A0030FEE5CF3B72AAD12A5CA8957EAE53A26562A2707AC0BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1037...5703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.97 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600422;1484081372;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5853D1F30AEC490DDF6D32369877884FD2D15730EAB19FF66E271EB14E60DA96 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9970...2057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.201 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600423;1484081373;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46E0D3BF108CC94D48079C2533BD6811FB14E15E99FA1DFFBF67AB3697B3A590 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9970...2057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.33 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.33 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX JAL) 1600424;1484081586;ben_vulpes;https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/if-a-best-buy-technician-is-a-paid-fbi-informant-are-his-computer-searches-legal/2017/01/09/f56028b4-d442-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html << and i thought i was a urlcriminal 1600425;1484081601;ben_vulpes;“There was no evidence of how the contraband got onto Dr. Rettenmaier’s hard drive,” Riddet wrote, “and it could have gotten there before he possessed the computer or against his will.” 1600426;1484081613;asciilifeform;holy fuck the orc glyphs 1600427;1484081617;ben_vulpes;someone finally makes the obvious defense 1600428;1484081623;asciilifeform;(do these display on anybody's box??) 1600429;1484081636;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: mine runs in very strict ascii mode 1600430;1484081640;ben_vulpes;so no 1600431;1484081674;asciilifeform;'Over several years, a handful of those workers have notified the FBI when they see signs of child pornography, earning payments from the agency.' << lel 1600432;1484081686;ben_vulpes;oh wait until you get to the pedofunnel 1600433;1484081910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/18B7C700E3D732F13B498BE6777E8C50040F0BE90CC086A78993AEB30CCB803B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3873...4653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.157 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown EG) 1600434;1484081910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1074...9893 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600435;1484081910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2A62DFD5B677FF66899A8E546B66BCD3A4FBBF6C5F5056474B70CDF3E20B4E39 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1116...6903 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.188.20.35 (ssh-rsa key from 187.188.20.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (fixed-188-20-187-188-20-35.iusacell.net. MX DIF) 1600436;1484081910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BBADA96008A60D21731F466A0AEA2C89799243667E47FAAF79CDE18F9F765E23 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1158...1073 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.15.209.37 (ssh-rsa key from 112.15.209.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600437;1484081910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9391975A58F2076533C0620DA0F9A907654C158C131E19E844E0280CA4743FAB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1026...6123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.165 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600438;1484081910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEA75012F585544677A839BC151F22CB39122F7BAA471151C99DA155A3F00B68 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3430...6037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '221.176.128.4 (ssh-rsa key from 221.176.128.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600439;1484081911;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74DEB3271FFD544C1A9D6DC91BFB65F9FA95F1A0A94ED0E8E3B0BD8E74C0A362 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3430...6037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '120.209.118.220 (ssh-rsa key from 120.209.118.220 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600440;1484081911;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EDF9365B7D2A57CAD85C300EEABCEBC423E74E3C0EC9D6DDB7744F3A421910A3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3430...6037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '218.202.140.62 (ssh-rsa key from 218.202.140.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 15) 1600441;1484081912;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6C664FF74089605F6246A6E3E95A12B202B8736D872E54B080EED7777AE692C4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3430...6037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '120.193.195.253 (ssh-rsa key from 120.193.195.253 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600442;1484081912;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/175A4092F61F9C375817E0752E2ACCBD43E0ABD014580BBF6569EC16B36B6ECA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1070...3213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '197.221.63.150 (ssh-rsa key from 197.221.63.150 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZA) 1600443;1484081913;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3CFFFB47C333728371427FE2CB20F1E5699D1AB4181C86C19BDC93D9CC580856 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1261...2809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.226 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600444;1484081913;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC80FC1B2390AB3C5EA9393F79810BCB53F44349D3A18F84B64C942AF5A42CF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1275...0297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.197 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.197 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600445;1484081914;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C5AA0F8647C698DC26F39805C7A7668AFCAC5951DA2BC8F037715E3DA9E97A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1296...6739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.128.19 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.128.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US NY) 1600446;1484081914;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2EEDE1E75CD6E3C7BA28384587BF9B13108A1E30BA5E960D1874EB3C7B7E224E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1296...6739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.37 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600447;1484082040;asciilifeform;btw folx most of these will be output of new heuristic, 'if found prime p, and q=m/p is prime, register q' 1600448;1484082183;asciilifeform;from same rag, https://archive.is/ackJI << lulzy typo >> 'Aircraft will be flying early Wednesday over the Washington area as part of regularly scheduled exercises designed to ensure a rapid response to aerial intrustions.' 1600449;1484082336;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-will-die/#selection-31.0-28.2 1600450;1484082366;mircea_popescu;(when preparing to read the beobachter, pick up the closest. it doesn't matter if it's the newest.) 1600451;1484082480;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9791CD47CA7C159454EF0EBAB5B2CDDA613798E4C87012959ADA6E8A63949A27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1131...7727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.94.78.217 (ssh-rsa key from 223.94.78.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600452;1484082480;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CCDE2140265B7F0F0B6F69098188408BC9F5FD8DCB466AEE99630E9D797DDAB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1279...8177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.186 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.186 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600453;1484082480;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C1F1DF711FA0B4E2F5F99F37821FFCD45F8B4336A79C4039654EA3B14C6AE2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1279...8177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.185 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600454;1484082480;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F949C482D230ADA81BFECE7760FD7F88B390232D14960D68D8D21112967151F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1321...9727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.76.186 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.76.186 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600455;1484082480;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/422D344B23210CB546373993313B4C67217FDCD2A5B473AF0E3D73110F7D1334 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1195...8467 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.49 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600456;1484082480;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC28A8C915BF048456C5294B50EF4E9D0E032024B46778FF29788CEDE94D7EA3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1195...8467 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.125 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600457;1484082481;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E32A980A153D1BD323493B5F6A6EF42AD702773A85D9B1DDAA7F1F90C1FFEB25 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1338...0493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.86.107 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.86.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600458;1484082481;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E7AC0EEF980D94B18797FD2B95C091C4EAC05B15C9FCB329825F05B81B8D903 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1182...6059 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.245 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600459;1484082482;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C961D62D59B78442DB2FA4C4ABC4CE874FE0E95418BBDA01785049DB58B02591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1182...4833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.12 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600460;1484082482;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/414D490F9C9FE8881EFF65B6CA72F3715E9E300657B22A59B8E7ED21331440A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1283...6973 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.181 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600461;1484082483;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21B9669858203080326DB86F3AB1B88D51F892D38F17EA587F71640F604BA7AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1205...8383 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.247 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600462;1484082483;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8FC5CF2B4967FCB5A48F3CB895ABE79B21364FF6EC46B6FDEFB18D47EC998B76 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1199...6559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.95.66 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.95.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600463;1484082590;mircea_popescu;this ssh thing is so secure. 1600464;1484082615;asciilifeform;Run Moar Debian 1600465;1484082909;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/7OhDY << from same rag, '“We will cut so much, your head will spin,” Trump promised. Plenty of people will cheer him on despite the fact that federal workers are a bulwark of the country’s middle class. Remember, that middle class everyone was talking about during the campaign? Federal workforce jobs are relatively stable in a disrupted economy. And although the most highly educated could earn more in the pri 1600466;1484082910;asciilifeform;vate sector, the average pay is about $86,000 a year, with benefits, a pension and federal holidays.' 1600467;1484083049;jurov;mircea_popescu: ty for quick mpex service! 1600468;1484083050;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA2008CAD74127BB3AEDA4D275394BF0AEF3CB13A837388A6D59A45171EADF8C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1234...7559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.219 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600469;1484083050;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6695CEA16B3BE0DA88B01B458B297C177CE228EEFA56B195639F48A0DD4A2DE6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1234...7559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.218 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.218 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600470;1484083050;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D77F4C7868849BC95ADA7245FCF237AE9E3EB0EE252A3D64977CA928A368836 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1301...4603 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.245.199.7 (ssh-rsa key from 183.245.199.7 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600471;1484083050;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BD93382E8B0CE07C1F76ACB19483596E3BDB288B5F9C3848B66566790856981A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1291...7443 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.160 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.160 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600472;1484083050;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/986CBE61250486DABCEC88D21AEBC21E3B49C40F0EB81B86305B3FD41350E0ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1291...7443 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.159 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600473;1484083050;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62F0C68781D366C13D9F5E7F3D5EE44E382AC818B81A1C0B3C7147FF81B8ED10 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1271...9497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.188 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600474;1484083051;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90FB0A6FDBCC29562706DB570C44344EDFF37AF529CEF92560914D7CE26B8192 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1280...9889 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.151 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600475;1484083051;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/77184BC23AC4DB43E119F2D04BA1644ED4516AD9A79EC526CB88AC8D5E8C269F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...2729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.97 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600476;1484083052;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E062C71137C09AE3CF48BE7F8A090EAA657B5715F7E6D6F4784AA45380ACD257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1327...1879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.247.151.103 (ssh-rsa key from 183.247.151.103 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN) 1600477;1484083052;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C98BDAEE4C2F62589E9AA3A48BA3A83672C2D118BC92C174D0ED05E85E374F5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 163603657002203830839928805236519577724843279055859406543367774785341654508489689485117658611718374854508838564640386033993156403175123663973549345103100194696061076548029416874683890581623093131119418605832283860782964326501034031562228315199932231505284351687168764809408601196984251559017124370646263943209 divides RS 1600478;1484083053;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE1F2E9FC2C0ABFB22D1ED6985AAC2C7D16C5B215F17AABA0A6014570F19E7FD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1364...8939 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '185.103.183.254 (ssh-rsa key from 185.103.183.254 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' () 1600479;1484083053;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E91C80F4D63CA6D05926B7D26D83DB89622619BAF243299BDC33070540CDBAA6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1413...9359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.195.238.57 (ssh-rsa key from 109.195.238.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (109x195x238x57.dynamic.rostov.ertelecom.ru. RU ROS) 1600480;1484083140;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AA786BCE13AB13D449613C1356D8F33F890F81ED9E0E06B74E71E91D258C8479 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1384...6427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '185.68.228.74 (ssh-rsa key from 185.68.228.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR) 1600481;1484083680;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/50840391E5677882196999C9AE77F3177E6CBF8D35FB4F1FEF848CFADF9088B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1485...5999 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.229.251.116 (ssh-rsa key from 91.229.251.116 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown PL MA) 1600482;1484083680;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/674F2EB3301FA29245FEA083C0BC505B7B3F7DFD2C80335451217C5CD63EE4F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1493...9843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.141.150.121 (ssh-rsa key from 94.141.150.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (skynet-94-141-150-121.koronowo.com.pl. PL KP) 1600483;1484083680;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/992D0B040E637E4C73F44FBED9797EAEE0C6C142C6867F62834238C172355BB9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1450...2053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.183.143.59 (ssh-rsa key from 65.183.143.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (65-183-143-59-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net. US VT) 1600484;1484083680;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A699710E41B79E9651FA6BCE753216B8B7F39054A4150F856A74AB89952AA7B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1475...0549 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.223.152.240 (ssh-rsa key from 41.223.152.240 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MZ MPM) 1600485;1484083680;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/717D4A760838A101170142199E0E5544EBADD449BC4BCA39935CB45F3619731E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1568...3567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.3.162.228 (ssh-rsa key from 212.3.162.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT) 1600486;1484084220;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F8011333E293B9F0A5F9BE238EEE6962F9991F66F3FA36CDC317C0680C02D5AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1485...0123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.233.213.117 (ssh-rsa key from 66.233.213.117 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (66-233-213-117.cle.clearwire-wmx.net. US NY) 1600487;1484084220;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A15EACE4291DE6EAFA302572F54E054491218AF959463E119A212D1F84EAD475 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1497...0813 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.39.56.107 (ssh-rsa key from 190.39.56.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (190-39-56-107.dyn.dsl.cantv.net. VE) 1600488;1484084220;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DBE25260E90B250B83BE92BCF5AF3E4346CC51529A2B238CB0B73068298677EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1585...1557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '171.100.49.110 (ssh-rsa key from 171.100.49.110 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-171-100-49-110.revip10.asianet.co.th. TH) 1600489;1484084220;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DBE25260E90B250B83BE92BCF5AF3E4346CC51529A2B238CB0B73068298677EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1397...0503 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '171.100.49.110 (ssh-rsa key from 171.100.49.110 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-171-100-49-110.revip10.asianet.co.th. TH) 1600490;1484084220;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CD878F3B96E51C86EBA78CF30705EB001E68551C662B020D995E75CCC355371 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1405...1397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '138.219.177.235 (ssh-rsa key from 138.219.177.235 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' () 1600491;1484085300;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B07110BE355C04EF6A0ED82DA4339D69AAF96809F15D2C6507C5C8903377EEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1707...3327 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '166.139.128.207 (ssh-rsa key from 166.139.128.207 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (207.sub-166-139-128.myvzw.com. US) 1600492;1484085301;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AAF7663C0AECC17FC31935B62259B2A1A4700A0EAE5AB14624B296023EEF258C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1588...4907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.103.245.144 (ssh-rsa key from 123.103.245.144 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown HK) 1600493;1484085301;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ACD85EFD8124C77DDABF2DC550F10720CD746BF7F8B27A2358D50E68DB9C58D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...2357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '166.141.145.176 (ssh-rsa key from 166.141.145.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (176.sub-166-141-145.myvzw.com. US) 1600494;1484085301;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FFE6DAF3C3F67391AD8CBEA1EC2F88C16821237CF7F335B9890B0808F9FFEFBA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1608...0699 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.103.245.199 (ssh-rsa key from 123.103.245.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown HK) 1600495;1484085311;Framedragger;as mcconaughey says in that heavy southern accent in dazed and confused, 'alright, alright, alright.' 1600496;1484085841;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CDA444B217B93BD108B3681B3E46D2F81DDE108A156E84E696789DB8D3074A06 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1657...8107 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.249.207.150 (ssh-rsa key from 201.249.207.150 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown VE) 1600497;1484085841;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F764EC5736FA3782A599FBBAE8F5867BD66D04EED4A2579F7282CE6453F80839 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1388...9197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.211.231.129 (ssh-rsa key from 195.211.231.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown UA) 1600498;1484086040;ben_vulpes;!!up aquentson 1600499;1484086040;deedbot;aquentson voiced for 30 minutes. 1600500;1484086045;aquentson;can I gain some sort of understanding regarding the position of you guys on scalability? 1600501;1484086064;ben_vulpes;increasing the block size breaks the schelling point. 1600502;1484086072;ben_vulpes;it's also an inflationary move. 1600503;1484086094;ben_vulpes;"scalability" is shorthand for "make bitcon == visa", with all of the chargebacks and fiat braindamage that entails. 1600504;1484086099;aquentson;ok, let's backtrack 1600505;1484086118;aquentson;you must forgive me for being utterly stupid, but do you guys believe in the free market? 1600506;1484086128;ben_vulpes;'the free market'? 1600507;1484086132;ben_vulpes;the one true free market? 1600508;1484086141;ben_vulpes;perfect, virginal, unsullied? 1600509;1484086162;aquentson;yes, this idea that individuals have more information and are better placed to make a decision regarding matters that concern them rather than some central authority 1600510;1484086178;aquentson;do you believe in that? 1600511;1484086181;ben_vulpes;that is not necessarily the same as "the free market". 1600512;1484086191;aquentson;I gave you a definition 1600513;1484086195;aquentson;and question 1600514;1484086199;ben_vulpes;moreover, anyone can go mine blocks over 1mb at their own discretion. 1600515;1484086204;aquentson;sorry 1600516;1484086214;aquentson;I asked something very specific 1600517;1484086221;aquentson;I'm not here to persuade 1600518;1484086224;aquentson;but understand 1600519;1484086232;ben_vulpes;no, "belief" in "the free market" is wildly unspecific. 1600520;1484086248;aquentson;don't torture me 1600521;1484086262;aquentson;do you think what I defined as the free market is good or not 1600522;1484086262;ben_vulpes;rigorous discussion is tough, it's nothing personal. 1600523;1484086263;aquentson;or 1600524;1484086266;aquentson;alternatively 1600525;1484086279;aquentson;expand on your view, ideology, philosophy 1600526;1484086298;ben_vulpes;to use your line, let's backtrack. 1600527;1484086315;ben_vulpes;there is no "you guys". individuals exist. 1600528;1484086327;aquentson;electrons become atoms 1600529;1484086330;aquentson;atoms molecules 1600530;1484086337;aquentson;molecules cells 1600531;1484086340;aquentson;cells humans 1600532;1484086346;aquentson;then there are sands 1600533;1484086351;aquentson;becoming erth 1600534;1484086358;aquentson;erth globe 1600535;1484086359;aquentson;etc 1600536;1484086371;aquentson;there are individuals, in short, and "you" guys 1600537;1484086371;ben_vulpes;so you want to ask a cell what the human thinks? 1600538;1484086378;aquentson;im not here for retarded lectures 1600539;1484086381;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ECDAB4F47DC074FD5DD619E8497611C76099101869F1050F59331ACB3688182 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1736...5409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '96.24.7.172 (ssh-rsa key from 96.24.7.172 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (96-24-7-172.los.clearwire-wmx.net. US) 1600540;1484086381;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E643BAEAC308F1BF33B37DDB9A258BBD07E85D30A9A63B95754CBA0BD2FFB346 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1574...5507 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.12.56.72 (ssh-rsa key from 190.12.56.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (corp-190-12-56-72.mch.puntonet.ec. EC P) 1600541;1484086393;ben_vulpes;and i'm not here for retarded questions. 1600542;1484086395;aquentson;im here to understand your "philosophy" 1600543;1484086403;ben_vulpes;are you familiar with the socratic method? 1600544;1484086404;aquentson;in the quickest way possible 1600545;1484086409;ben_vulpes;it's got a long history of teaching philosophy. 1600546;1484086415;asciilifeform;aaah the quickest way possible... 1600547;1484086418;aquentson;ben 1600548;1484086422;ben_vulpes;well quickest way possible isn't going to get you anywhere. 1600549;1484086422;asciilifeform;!!down aquentson 1600550;1484086427;asciilifeform;quickest. 1600551;1484086468;ben_vulpes;aquentson: the quickest way to get a handle on the various philosophies floating around is to read at least a year's worth of http://btcbase.org/log 1600552;1484086561;asciilifeform;nono ben_vulpes he wanted QUICKEST!111 1600553;1484086581;ben_vulpes;it is quickest, what. 1600554;1484086587;ben_vulpes;takes a long time, what. 1600555;1484086746;ben_vulpes;"im not here for retarded lectures" << candidate for top self-crit of 2017 1600556;1484086753;trinque;https://twitter.com/aquentson?lang=en << fucktard "reporter" 1600557;1484086778;ben_vulpes;trinque: he's a probing reporter! 1600558;1484086787;ben_vulpes;Andrew Quentson, the Probing Reporter 1600559;1484086794;ben_vulpes;interviews performed on casting couch! 1600560;1484086802;asciilifeform;'Crowd outside #ScalingBitcoin shouting 8, 8, 8, 8, 8... Consensus achieved.' 1600561;1484086810;asciilifeform;barfalicious. 1600562;1484086820;trinque;pls I just need moneys for my public relations degree 1600563;1484086826;phf;well, i'm kind of curious where he was going with that "do you believe in free market" leading question. guy, you don't open like that unless you have a standing, nobody's going to wait for you to do your cornering move, if you can't even fucking stay on point 1600564;1484086847;ben_vulpes;https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/714476705587572736/qTI2MSZU.jpg 1600565;1484086891;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D0C4BBD37524C4B2B77FF50D6C2FEA19BBA9E712F17831980B534158A22C9094 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...3543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.38.76.134 (ssh-rsa key from 81.38.76.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (134.red-81-38-76.dynamicip.rima-tde.net. ES B CT) 1600566;1484086891;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/637A344705C6B413E53892DA4D4E0DE421E4347FB788D3AEBF414304B0109AFB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1521...9637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.236.36.251 (ssh-rsa key from 212.236.36.251 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (212.236.036.251.static.video-broadcast.at. AT) 1600567;1484086891;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A0D69F52E140E54774E5F1414E2F622C3D2C1C33A96C3095F18245FBDB8B7C44 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1524...4919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.185.144.162 (ssh-rsa key from 112.185.144.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown KR) 1600568;1484086891;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C10265CAC01DE0B5C84F248879FB350192785D1C14FA53C6B4CAAE68A1BBA977 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1607...1019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '179.1.72.89 (ssh-rsa key from 179.1.72.89 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CO ANT) 1600569;1484086953;ben_vulpes;i demand a refund 1600570;1484086961;ben_vulpes;that was a weak distraction from this java. 1600571;1484086977;phf;oh a journalist. ffs "hello, i'm such and such, would like to ask you all some questions for such and such magazine" 1600572;1484087095;trinque;!#s cryptocoinsnews 1600573;1484087095;a111;108 results for "cryptocoinsnews", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cryptocoinsnews 1600574;1484087130;trinque;http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/ 1600575;1484087169;trinque;the logs have seen it all 1600576;1484087204;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=aquent 1600577;1484087238;trinque;lol! 1600578;1484087420;BingoBoingo;!~later tell aquentson What are your feelings on scaling the human body to store more energy? https://i.sli.mg/G6PHhl.png 1600579;1484087420;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1600580;1484087473;trinque;look at those hooves 1600581;1484087589;BingoBoingo;Anyways not all organisms scale well. Compare to http://www.forestrycorporation.com.au/community/education/resources-and-publications/wild-forest/woodwork/info/forest-supermodels/radiata-pine/information which scales well. 1600582;1484088232;BingoBoingo;Normally that species would produce scrubby crap full of knots. 1600583;1484089082;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600549 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2017#1465326 1600584;1484089082;a111;Logged on 2016-05-09 23:44 mircea_popescu: will have to be done eventually. 1600585;1484089082;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 22:13 asciilifeform: !!down aquentson 1600586;1484089122;Framedragger;phf: ah, incorrect match on b-a log link, should be " 22:05:13 kakobrekla: !down aquentson " 1600587;1484089125;asciilifeform;lol 1600588;1484089238;asciilifeform;in unrelated 'news', EPROMs from 1984 work great today (had correct original contents; erased well; burned well) 1600589;1484089652;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/23F6404D322FF18CC37310EDD8AD01C49A4B7CBCB9B96C7E074BC8E08DBEF73C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.5.121 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.5.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600590;1484089652;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CDC7E33BE19658B144FFA79EA8372705569ACB1FB43D60EE772DD7F6BE14CD76 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.25.221 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.25.221 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600591;1484089652;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF7EC31B8BB8331F4258E2E2A925B3910B5BFF267CD0198179DB9608531A359A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.25.33 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.25.33 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600592;1484089652;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5B7E4D990A326021D8A8638FF696364559C4D1B58D094E364C5073BFFA1053AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.217 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600593;1484089652;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B15BA97449730B77391588D044E743E5A4941CBFCB6BCA98B06687FEE4BE295B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.189.249.9 (ssh-rsa key from 187.189.249.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (fixed-189-249-187-189-249-9.iusacell.net. MX DIF) 1600594;1484089652;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/306C0F0E71E4E318D91B570C39D2F006E88D6DC6BB28EAE578AA7F9FA7130F08 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.203 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600595;1484089653;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/77311723EF51EADBF3E3615659ED1BEB51E16C760DC775312A3EB3D3C0D38BB9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.189.249.15 (ssh-rsa key from 187.189.249.15 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (fixed-189-249-187-189-249-15.iusacell.net. MX DIF) 1600596;1484089653;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB494169C3F62599BB2172BD0FF6890E544904729144F5EB460C0431FC9C91D6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.25.153 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.25.153 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600597;1484089654;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E5390BE9E6E89CE076F6C9772CDBD0DA54461E9AA97382E080FEA3BB16C1D455 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9301...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.19.117 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.19.117 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600598;1484089654;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/484822910CDA12E35E6F4186FAC9CEC226A489C3AFE0B9136AD9B2F5373FD65A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9017...6363 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.4.13 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.4.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600599;1484089655;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEF1C6C9A890941640110AD479AFDEDCC6132445EEFB2D1F31C1D58AFF1DC4F4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9375...7643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.9 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX JAL) 1600600;1484089655;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/66A1CED0DEFE3C7069D483AF7322FB725909DBDCDBBD55CA015687F600637935 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9883...6383 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.17.133 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.17.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600601;1484089656;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A8E8A26D309CBC4A73BD31E3D6C6AE49AB443FA58E2A9A823BAA868189AB6A5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3144049966902983307992043926250229373879354153744005809459530137206463797044500469856028602948243964811501385303514531460753546914515064469551268070615023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'FAKE: key generation test; ' 1600602;1484089656;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/04932FC1ACFE99163FD79A411203C1F1AC165455C084E904D53E7FCDFD25075F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1009...9949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.53 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600603;1484089657;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CB5B1D827EB358F0F3729E032D7CB87D3EB7925BA5FCABFF044D56049D522969 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1009...9949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.141 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600604;1484089657;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A7228C2E48B65D9EE71CE8DB1B75FFE930507D56D82427E63D2AAEBE4D861FA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1009...9949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.171 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.171 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600605;1484089658;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F2CF15C86AB9208CBAFAF70C693E355F370A099512477D393A2A91F2CC050993 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1009...9949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.16.45 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.16.45 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600606;1484089658;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4D378BAD01D73CD2FD529220969D6C281D90346F095AE86877ED4AFE868932B3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1009...9949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.0.33 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.0.33 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600607;1484089659;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E3E9002C721814E2C39E9F4BD4B5016523A5ADD56F7C40A0563637241CE6E09 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9580...9043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.241 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX JAL) 1600608;1484089659;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/341F5F22B677175F46A2C6F87A2F74BADC483E18EB1E656570344DD213EE327C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 31262502249943329833032505643372868035061504974058758779078242911342154242739073073656579599715441245641351700900314941776515452184765755096969182109123856832075811618823583921744558389508759300707174698363473126875736586306592180811646418589784626510429159679846679482388847198266679259543489744490187643254922190154087 1600609;1484089660;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9A34020BD86CCFD722610615BCEA3BC872B7161FCFEB84222CAAD4208C7869B5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8745...2867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600610;1484089682;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/dylan-storm-roof-sentenced-to-death/ << Qntra - Dylan Storm Roof Sentenced To Death 1600611;1484090042;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/10/dont-you-hate-it-when-progress-saves-your-bacon/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Don’t you hate it when progress saves your bacon? 1600612;1484090130;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes actually that looks perfect. 1600613;1484090162;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D2ADEF66CA1D7DF8DA07A26BBEE139A66EFEF7D6442471B5BA8512210D1A576F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9840...4219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.17.185 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.17.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600614;1484090162;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30B0E305FFCF03A61D6DADB8305473866298C48C8317C1FC6C2585EF24C6608 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8724...7613 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.253.211.63 (ssh-rsa key from 207.253.211.63 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static-063-211-253-207.novicomfusion.com. CA QC) 1600615;1484090162;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABF23DE303BE1C82869D7925F0ACF7A8F54B420469D851530FC4121CBEC0B356 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9419...9727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.47 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1600616;1484090231;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: give it a try! 1600617;1484090773;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600467 << mah pleasure. 1600618;1484090773;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 21:17 jurov: mircea_popescu: ty for quick mpex service! 1600619;1484090803;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600465 << holy shit what the fuck is wrong with these idiots. GOVT EMPLOYEES CAN NOT BE MIDDLE CLASS! they're bureaucrat class. opposite concepts! 1600620;1484090803;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 21:15 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/7OhDY << from same rag, '“We will cut so much, your head will spin,” Trump promised. Plenty of people will cheer him on despite the fact that federal workers are a bulwark of the country’s middle class. Remember, that middle class everyone was talking about during the campaign? Federal workforce jobs are relatively stable in a disrupted economy. And although the most highly educated could earn more in the pri 1600621;1484090815;mircea_popescu;"this fox farm is mostly flea by mass!" wtfbbq2 1600622;1484090892;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600500 << if you can be arsed to define "scalability". 1600623;1484090892;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 22:07 aquentson: can I gain some sort of understanding regarding the position of you guys on scalability? 1600624;1484090961;mircea_popescu;for instance, we're all for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599784 for instance. if you had something other than that in mind, it's probably both a) not properly called scaling and b) harmful to everyone. 1600625;1484090961;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 15:06 mircea_popescu: and before anyone asks : the advantage of this is that this solution scales. ACTUALLY scales. specifically, if at any point in his own time and for any reason in ~his own domain~ taleb wants to get more control, he can. he actually can. you explain to him, when he asks, HOW to be more in control of his mp-wp install. in terms of configuring the php script, or in terms of configuring the apache server, or in terms of configuri 1600626;1484091074;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600509 << absolutely. 1600627;1484091074;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 22:09 aquentson: yes, this idea that individuals have more information and are better placed to make a decision regarding matters that concern them rather than some central authority 1600628;1484091110;mircea_popescu;!!up aquentson 1600629;1484091111;deedbot;aquentson voiced for 30 minutes. 1600630;1484091120;aquentson;hi mircea 1600631;1484091128;mircea_popescu;how goes 1600632;1484091137;aquentson;not bad, stalemate 1600633;1484091172;aquentson;you might be king maker mircea_popescu 1600634;1484091183;aquentson;does that give you a sufficient boner? 1600635;1484091204;mircea_popescu;lol sufficient for whom 1600636;1484091213;aquentson;yourself, of course 1600637;1484091246;aquentson;the miners are not pleased 1600638;1484091250;mircea_popescu;i'm easily satisfied. prolly because i don't take so much cock, so. 1600639;1484091266;aquentson;blockstream of course is not pleased 1600640;1484091279;aquentson;r/btc is sort of tearing its hair out 1600641;1484091287;aquentson;you have a solution? 1600642;1484091292;mircea_popescu;you ever seen satisfied teenagers ? 1600643;1484091315;aquentson;your majesty, lead us to the light 1600644;1484091327;aquentson;whatever you say we shall follow 1600645;1484091336;mircea_popescu;well that's nice then. 1600646;1484091342;aquentson;your word our command, just utter it 1600647;1484091377;aquentson;lest you wish to see burning skies 1600648;1484091385;aquentson;trembling earthquakes 1600649;1484091394;aquentson;volcanos all around 1600650;1484091405;aquentson;utters your fucking words 1600651;1484091421;mircea_popescu;in other news, allow me to heartily recommend #chainstate. ben_vulpes 's humble abode, and the home of <mimisbrunnr> block 447563: 1`241 txns, 998`190 bytes 1600652;1484091431;mircea_popescu;i think the notification's kinda cool, though prolly not for here. 1600653;1484091447;ben_vulpes;aye, too noisy by far. 1600654;1484091457;mircea_popescu;still, it's informative. 1600655;1484091469;aquentson;information demands information 1600656;1484091476;aquentson;its not just freely given 1600657;1484091488;ben_vulpes;logs may be found at http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate 1600658;1484091507;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes worth your time to make a ! lb 3 so it says id, txn count byte count ? 1600659;1484091528;mircea_popescu;aquentson so did you have a specific q or such ? 1600660;1484091541;aquentson;yes, your solution 1600661;1484091550;aquentson;to the scalability question 1600662;1484091559;mircea_popescu;what do you mean by "scalability" ? 1600663;1484091585;aquentson;as you know bitcoin's transaction capacity is currently limited, there have been many proposals 1600664;1484091599;aquentson;many believe you indirectly have stopped some of them 1600665;1484091602;aquentson;thus speak 1600666;1484091608;aquentson;YOUR BLOODY SOLUTION 1600667;1484091659;mircea_popescu;you ever read http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ ? 1600668;1484091677;aquentson;im not gone read rubbish, I asked a question, give an answer 1600669;1484091681;aquentson;your majesty 1600670;1484091686;aquentson;your fucking solution.... 1600671;1484091708;mircea_popescu;yes but questions can be answered only if they're meaningful ; so far we're working to create some common basis. 1600672;1484091736;aquentson;are you suggesting you are open to persuasion? 1600673;1484091744;aquentson;because that would be a long task 1600674;1484091776;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, who isn't open to persuasion ? 1600675;1484091800;aquentson;speak it 1600676;1484091804;aquentson;you solution... 1600677;1484091825;aquentson;your* whatever 1600678;1484091888;mircea_popescu;well, so far my solution to whatever your problem might be is to try and state it comprehensibly. what are you looking to solve ? 1600679;1484091915;aquentson; as you know bitcoin's transaction capacity is currently limited, there have been many proposals 1600680;1484091915;aquentson; many believe you indirectly have stopped some of them 1600681;1484091915;aquentson; thus speak 1600682;1484091935;mircea_popescu;bitcoin's transaction capacity is always going to be limited. 1600683;1484091951;aquentson;always is for history 1600684;1484091957;aquentson;I'm interested in today 1600685;1484091979;mircea_popescu;ok, well, the problem is a lot more fundamental than originally thought. 1600686;1484091989;aquentson;it is 1600687;1484092002;aquentson;the community is now divided 1600688;1484092009;aquentson;they fight 1600689;1484092012;mircea_popescu;how about this solution : you spend the next six months to a year reading you know, rubbish like the log and stuff linked above and so on, then maybe. 1600690;1484092039;aquentson;then maybe you appreciate I have a restriction on my time too? 1600691;1484092049;mircea_popescu;other than that, today there's absolutely nothing you can either do or say that'd be of consequence. 1600692;1484092062;aquentson;what am I, a bot, to read all trillion words here and quadrillion other shit 1600693;1484092065;aquentson;how about 1600694;1484092067;aquentson;you 1600695;1484092073;mircea_popescu;well, if you have a restriction on your time, that automatically translates into a restriction in your participation -- both in terms of defining problems and in terms of finding solutions for them. 1600696;1484092075;aquentson;act as a leader you proclaim to be 1600697;1484092081;aquentson;and provide a bloody solution 1600698;1484092084;aquentson;your highness 1600699;1484092111;aquentson;imagine the history books 1600700;1484092136;aquentson;there came king maker mircea_popescu and when all seemed desperate up the hill on sunny uplands 1600701;1484092140;aquentson;gave a way forward 1600702;1484092143;mircea_popescu;lol history books. in chinese maybe, esltards dun read because too busy "solving problems". 1600703;1484092183;mircea_popescu;aquentson can you appreciate the ridiculousness of your position, you refused to read history and proposed history as an exchange token within the same five minutes. how is this supposed to work, iyo ? 1600704;1484092191;ben_vulpes;imagine all the rubbish history books i can't be arsed to read 1600705;1484092205;aquentson;a bit like kings comming from other citadels 1600706;1484092208;aquentson;and proposing shit 1600707;1484092216;aquentson;they dont care about your internal rubish 1600708;1484092220;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes basically it directly transates to a very racist "i am great roman citizen and you are barbarian have these beads". wtf, really ? 1600709;1484092228;aquentson;they care about bigger stuff than your whatever you do here 1600710;1484092249;mircea_popescu;aquentson once they manage to win an election, i might believe that. so far -- no hillary. so, no. 1600711;1484092252;ben_vulpes;aquentson: the notion that someone writing for cointelgraph is a king is absurd on its face 1600712;1484092266;aquentson;you supported hillary? 1600713;1484092307;mircea_popescu;lol just how did you find this place aquentson ? 1600714;1484092361;aquentson;how about, your majesty, you provide a solution to what you have so galvenisingly opposed? 1600715;1484092369;aquentson;and do forgive my spelling.... 1600716;1484092396;aquentson;or should all here think you have no wisdom your highness? 1600717;1484092444;mircea_popescu;ahahaha ok. yeh, i'm sure "all here" will do things! 1600718;1484092450;aquentson;its not an easy problem, ney, the opposite, two years of civil war, devastation all around, bickering 1600719;1484092460;aquentson;and you have influenced part of it 1600720;1484092468;aquentson;now, looking at this desolate field 1600721;1484092473;aquentson;WHAT SAY THOU? 1600722;1484092616;mircea_popescu;have a glass of water ; go do something useful with your time, restricted as it may be. 1600723;1484092633;aquentson;well then let history see 1600724;1484092637;aquentson;the mighty king 1600725;1484092646;aquentson;who proclaimed all wisdom 1600726;1484092650;aquentson;was unable 1600727;1484092659;aquentson;to provide even an indication 1600728;1484092672;aquentson;of how the unrest in his kingdom can be solved 1600729;1484092899;aquentson;what do you expect your men to think mircea_popescu ? 1600730;1484092915;aquentson;two years! 1600731;1484093252;deedbot;http://explo.yt/post/2017/01/11/Jurov-s-crappy-guide-to-Let-s-Encrypt << serialized delusions - Jurov's crappy guide to Let's Encrypt 1600732;1484093487;phf;hmm 1600733;1484093567;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2017#1465326 1600734;1484093611;phf;Framedragger: yeah, it shouldn't be picking up post transition b-a posts. i don't have any kind of proxy or anything 1600735;1484093973;phf;'t was but a bug 1600736;1484094051;phf;(refresh-annotations) 1600737;1484094056;phf;ffs 1600738;1484094112;mircea_popescu;i thought lisp makes ai possible and bugs impossible. 1600739;1484094388;ben_vulpes;ai is impossible and bugs are invariant 1600740;1484094391;BingoBoingo;!!up aquentson 1600741;1484094392;deedbot;aquentson voiced for 30 minutes. 1600742;1484094396;ben_vulpes;sussman was a fraud 1600743;1484094412;BingoBoingo;How's life writing for that GAW shilling scamrag aquentson? 1600744;1484094432;aquentson; well then let history see 1600745;1484094432;aquentson; the mighty king 1600746;1484094432;aquentson; who proclaimed all wisdom 1600747;1484094432;aquentson; was unable 1600748;1484094432;aquentson; to provide even an indication 1600749;1484094433;aquentson; of how the unrest in his kingdom can be solved 1600750;1484094435;aquentson; what do you expect your men to think mircea_popescu ? 1600751;1484094437;aquentson; two years! 1600752;1484094444;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude srsly ? 1600753;1484094450;aquentson;exactly 1600754;1484094458;mircea_popescu;at least deedbot spits numbers. 1600755;1484094473;aquentson;look at the king sweat 1600756;1484094475;BingoBoingo;aquentson: Lord mircea_popescu is done with you. Answer my question. 1600757;1484094481;aquentson;omg how can I provide an answer 1600758;1484094486;aquentson;I am merely a lowly man 1600759;1484094489;BingoBoingo;How is life writing for the GAW shilling scamrag? 1600760;1484094490;aquentson;I haz no wisdom 1600761;1484094503;BingoBoingo;Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1600762;1484094578;BingoBoingo;How many ass pennies does it take CCN, coronator of scams to get you to sell your soul aquentson? 1600763;1484094581;mircea_popescu;!!up afweashs 1600764;1484094581;deedbot;afweashs voiced for 30 minutes. 1600765;1484094616;aquentson;haha 1600766;1484094633;aquentson;I thought you guys were interesting 1600767;1484094695;aquentson;I doubt in your, what, 7 year history now, you've hosted anyone more interested to be persuaded 1600768;1484094712;BingoBoingo;aquentson: Who you work for is a political choice. There are sins you must answer for: http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/ 1600769;1484094744;BingoBoingo;aquentson: See also http://qntra.net/2015/04/garza-friends-additional-emails-detailed/ 1600770;1484094764;aquentson;and your solution? 1600771;1484094774;aquentson;does anyone visit qntra? 1600772;1484094776;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wait, wait, gaw ? srsly ? 1600773;1484094782;aquentson;what is it 2 ppl? 1600774;1484094783;BingoBoingo;!~step9 1600775;1484094783;jhvh1;9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. 1600776;1484094785;aquentson;a month! 1600777;1484094801;aquentson;how many are here 49 1600778;1484094804;BingoBoingo;Lemme check the stats 1600779;1484094804;aquentson;you claim o rich 1600780;1484094821;aquentson;you cant even get a shity site to look 21st century like in design! 1600781;1484094842;aquentson;how much does it cost? 2 shekles 1600782;1484094849;aquentson;oh but it takes brains 1600783;1484094855;aquentson;are there any here? 1600784;1484094863;BingoBoingo;more than 2 1600785;1484094867;aquentson;sorry, I'm too harsh 1600786;1484094886;BingoBoingo;Hey, Qntra's design actually renders on African internet or do you no longer want to bring internet to Africa? 1600787;1484094913;BingoBoingo;I though CCN was all about Bitcoin to Africa 1600788;1484094914;aquentson;dodnt know qntra was appealing to an african audience 1600789;1484094919;aquentson;didnt* 1600790;1484094938;BingoBoingo;It is very appealing to Africans. 1600791;1484094954;aquentson;to the 3 ppl that visit it, you mean? 1600792;1484094966;aquentson;what did mircea_popescu say? I have 1 million bitcoins! 1600793;1484094971;aquentson;whats that, a billion 1600794;1484094977;aquentson;cant even get a proper site up 1600795;1484094986;aquentson;dude I can do it for about 15 dollars 1600796;1484094987;BingoBoingo;Mauritius is 22nd most popular Qntra visitor country 1600797;1484095008;BingoBoingo;lol, what about QNtra is improper? 1600798;1484095011;aquentson;BingoBoingo, tell us why you pinged me 1600799;1484095020;aquentson;we both know its not over some shit chat 1600800;1484095044;BingoBoingo;aquentson: I want to know what it's like writing for the enemy, CCN promoter of scams! 1600801;1484095058;aquentson;information is an enemy? 1600802;1484095061;aquentson;to who? 1600803;1484095093;aquentson;to theifs? 1600804;1484095094;BingoBoingo;Disinformation is the enemy. CCN lived high on Josh Garza's hog 1600805;1484095098;aquentson;to manipulators? 1600806;1484095102;aquentson;to the corrupt? 1600807;1484095112;aquentson;to the lost deluded brainwashed souls? 1600808;1484095165;aquentson;even in a drunken state you go silent BingoBoingo 1600809;1484095177;BingoBoingo;!~step1 1600810;1484095177;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 1600811;1484095199;aquentson;now you might accuse me of enjoying myself 1600812;1484095207;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f4d7877e553c7637fc9935c07d317a79/tumblr_o2sh20FtPt1uytkhdo1_1280.jpg 1600813;1484095207;BingoBoingo;Anyways been sober for quite a few hundred days now. 1600814;1484095209;aquentson;but my retord is I would not be here otherwise 1600815;1484095218;BingoBoingo;What is a retord? 1600816;1484095228;aquentson;its the un autistic bit 1600817;1484095262;BingoBoingo;Wait we have a famed autist from CCN visiting? 1600818;1484095286;aquentson;BingoBoingo, I'm very dissapointed 1600819;1484095288;aquentson;very 1600820;1484095292;BingoBoingo;In what? 1600821;1484095293;aquentson;and yes thats atypo 1600822;1484095299;aquentson;autist yourself 1600823;1484095313;aquentson;in... in... in this whole mini community 1600824;1484095316;BingoBoingo;And who gave you the label maker? 1600825;1484095410;aquentson;you guys know the role you've played in the blocksize debate 1600826;1484095422;aquentson;but clearly none of you has any brains to see its effects 1600827;1484095427;BingoBoingo;aquentson famed autist of CCN which once lived high on Josh Garza's Paycoin presumes to diagnose me? 1600828;1484095436;BingoBoingo;The effect is your butt hurts. 1600829;1484095451;aquentson;butthurt over what? 1600830;1484095462;BingoBoingo;Petrus! 1600831;1484095472;aquentson;you know who speaks about garza? 1600832;1484095478;aquentson;I mean thats even before gox 1600833;1484095481;aquentson;buttcoin does 1600834;1484095502;BingoBoingo;Gox was before Garza 1600835;1484095509;BingoBoingo;Gox was scam in 2011 1600836;1484095535;aquentson;enlighten me BingoBoingo 1600837;1484095546;aquentson;what's your solution to the scalability debate? 1600838;1484095581;BingoBoingo;Scale is just fine now. Bitcoin's riding high on the coup attempts falling. 1600839;1484095613;aquentson;but is not your idea that there should be a hierarchy? 1600840;1484095630;aquentson;kings and lords? 1600841;1484095653;BingoBoingo;My idea that that you need to dig deep and complete a thorough moral inventory. 1600842;1484095663;BingoBoingo;!~step 4 1600843;1484095663;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "step" is not a valid command. 1600844;1484095668;BingoBoingo;!~step4 1600845;1484095668;jhvh1;4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. 1600846;1484095699;mircea_popescu;trinque how easy would it be to make the !!up for noobs 30 minutes or 60 lines, whichever comes first ? 1600847;1484095719;BingoBoingo;!!down aquentson 1600848;1484095754;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski your case isn't even the most egregious. i ever tell you about the idiot that drove straight into us, from a full stop, backwards ? his car, much wiser than him, braked and so there was no damage. 1600849;1484095795;phf;one was enough, two was too many, but three? 1600850;1484095798;mircea_popescu;i would guess a full 50% of people behind a wheel are SO BAD that modern progresstech like "if car is shocked, break" is actually very useful. even if this means you could throw pebbles at a car and keep it locked forever. 1600851;1484095804;BingoBoingo;Fuck, every year the quality of the autists continues to drop. 1600852;1484095810;mircea_popescu;phf soz wut ? 1600853;1484095945;phf;the ups for this guy 1600854;1484095952;BingoBoingo;phf: My bad. I have a bad habit of playing with the food. 1600855;1484096162;BingoBoingo;as far back as 2013 ben_vulpes and I duelled over who get to get the most playtime with the food that comes in here. 1600856;1484096164;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: it's "homes" from "homie" and that from "homeboy" not "holmes" from "sherlock holmes" 1600857;1484096169;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo invite him to your own castle you know ? 1600858;1484096194;ben_vulpes;something tells me the only black guy left canada a long time ago 1600859;1484096205;phf;well, sometimes we have visitors who, while they hold divergent opinions, present interesting view into the minds of others. like that nodic girl, who couldn't even. if nothing else she was articulate and feisty. this guy was just painfully tedious, and it was obvious that he's going to be from how he chose to setup his opener, about the free market. 1600860;1484096207;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm sated. 1600861;1484096215;mircea_popescu;phf my bad for the 2nd, i upped him through having merely parsed the log to a point where he somehow managed to sum > 0. 1600862;1484096283;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/54E292751D9C64D9D7B4C630289A67636CC07759B58B293AE7817EE2C3FC1FB6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1072...5917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.248 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HE) 1600863;1484096283;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AA108B076B2C2178345AB8DEB29975E6BBEAC60646281D5722819A067E7F5799 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 10824919891112471363490291099301985379613996521043125336208407619255679168181342249775837380167645901951911340624032343830281256241880653780752033819870573 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ssh://mx1.mayfirst.org; ' 1600864;1484096312;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600546 << if only they did this at the brothel, where it belongs, rather than everywhere else. 1600865;1484096312;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 22:13 asciilifeform: aaah the quickest way possible... 1600866;1484096334;mircea_popescu;legalize brothels, MAGA. 1600867;1484096380;mircea_popescu;phf wait, the free market thing made it obvious to you ? it's what made me up him. 1600868;1484096449;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "you're not a real progressive unless you support legalizing sex work" 1600869;1484096534;mircea_popescu;i'm actually against any sex legislation. this includes "prostitution", "rape", "age of consent", "marriage", what have you. 1600870;1484096550;mircea_popescu;it's way the fuck better to legislate religion than sexuality. 1600871;1484096599;ben_vulpes;yeah well some days i just feel like fucking with one part of the edifice instead of the whole thing 1600872;1484096628;mircea_popescu;there is also that. 1600873;1484096629;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually i cheated, the idiot shat in kako's chan first and was thrown out, i was tuned in 1600874;1484096642;mircea_popescu;ah 1600875;1484096689;*;asciilifeform ~might~ be the current 'play with food' endurance record holder... 1600876;1484096717;ben_vulpes;hey just because i never trumpeted my viragh logs 1600877;1484096724;ben_vulpes;does not mean they were not epic 1600878;1484096739;ben_vulpes;but i suspect you are. 1600879;1484096748;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you oughta post'em, i bet they were a riot 1600880;1484096759;asciilifeform;if they're anything like mine 1600881;1484096763;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not only this, BUT HE STILL HASNT HAD ENOUGH 1600882;1484096767;mircea_popescu;he'd read moar! 1600883;1484096770;asciilifeform;(i posted, iirc, all of mine) 1600884;1484096783;ben_vulpes;you know asciilifeform i thought i'd grown out of it until aquentson showed up 1600885;1484096803;mircea_popescu;"i thought i grown out of 16yo cunt, until i saw another one" 1600886;1484096823;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AC623C503B5F6FF091E7B5819FAD4EE293D03B779770C1959FD3C159D6653FB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1189...2267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.28.20 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.28.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HE) 1600887;1484096824;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/66799D817D7204625E63EC5BDDB7E0476A38D6D89F1418BF52F9AFFDB825682A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1294...8587 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '146.57.32.221 (ssh-rsa key from 146.57.32.221 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (x-146-57-32-221.mrs.umn.edu. US MN) 1600888;1484096824;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4E33F9B99ED848D74C0B956F55E031B088B2AB557AE487D62DF6A7250D878B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1294...8587 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '173.164.111.82 (ssh-rsa key from 173.164.111.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (173-164-111-82-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US OR) 1600889;1484096824;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/81F658DF6589300E82D683E0F76931277705B9A7B16E3614855AF13202433ABB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1294...8587 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '73.230.47.252 (ssh-rsa key from 73.230.47.252 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (c-73-230-47-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. US) 1600890;1484096824;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E8BA7C513EE5D96CBDE1CF6527D2772CF15DA9CF6A78636862C5EF408E69D12D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1294...8587 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.91.28.84 (ssh-rsa key from 66.91.28.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-66-91-28-84.hawaii.res.rr.com. US HI) 1600891;1484096824;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/14CF4CF3FE03BAFC92EAEFA64B7EA08EBEE5818F5B8B4133C661C51FD1DC4321 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1294...8587 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '99.19.70.79 (ssh-rsa key from 99.19.70.79 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (99-19-70-79.lightspeed.anarmi.sbcglobal.net. US MI) 1600892;1484096825;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9053C42DFEABE1E5FF37E5D529D019302430294D57525B58CE39ECAB6291177 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1164...1669 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.128.2.50 (ssh-rsa key from 78.128.2.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-2-50.powernet.bg. BG 22) 1600893;1484096830;ben_vulpes;blammo 1600894;1484096845;ben_vulpes;oregon heyo 1600895;1484096853;BingoBoingo;lol umn.edu 1600896;1484096966;asciilifeform;these are still the m/p == q run. 1600897;1484096984;phf;well, he opened with a "scale issue", but when started getting concrete answers from ben_vulpes "backtracked" but doing one of those setup questions, "do you believe in freedom?" sort of thing. ben_vulpes refused to eat the bait. that's where you either switch tactic or close the setup "well, if you believe in freedom then you obviously believe in bombing them sons of bitches". but instead of closing he started nitpicking whatever ben_vulpes was s 1600898;1484096984;phf;aying. first of all, you don't use setup question technique unless you have standing, it's at least partially rhetorical. second of all, when you do, you don't drag it out. i dismissed him at that point as a tedious bore, which he turned out to be 1600899;1484097005;asciilifeform;after it, we will see no more of the 'oh hey this first popped last year, snore, 2nd factor, obviouscat is obvious' 1600900;1484097086;asciilifeform;phf, ben_vulpes : actually i did harbor a suspicion that it was... ben_vulpes's eliza! 1600901;1484097097;phf;!! 1600902;1484097118;mircea_popescu;phf my reasoning was, that he was having a meaningless dispute with ben_vulpes ; possibly understood it to be meaningless ; and possibly therefore attempted to go upnode. that the selection of upnode wasn't judicious can't be held against him specifically because no standing. 1600903;1484097134;mircea_popescu;i tend to evaluate very loosely. "best possible construction". 1600904;1484097158;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah it's chiefly why i'm not saying anything. let the log be awash today and let it be done with 1600905;1484097197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's nearly done. 1600906;1484097244;mircea_popescu;so in the end a few dozen ? 100s ? 1600907;1484097276;asciilifeform;about 150 1600908;1484097281;asciilifeform;looks like. 1600909;1484097286;mircea_popescu;nb. 1600910;1484097334;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/399206ECA3506DC2ABEE69F4FC98C6CC2F1C091B5D88708D17F95C203D3423D4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.146.54.20 (ssh-rsa key from 69.146.54.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host-69-146-54-20.dur-co.client.bresnan.net. US MT) 1600911;1484097334;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/458A61DC87B1BE98190D0407AA87D63BDAD93C7E495BB6357EE9CFD5363C3AE9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '172.243.251.31 (ssh-rsa key from 172.243.251.31 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600912;1484097334;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E73F4E0B77915D0669F988000289477B45C4B9245420CA52F4249978C9E547B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '108.170.154.29 (ssh-rsa key from 108.170.154.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (dhcp-108-170-154-29.cable.user.start.ca. CA ON) 1600913;1484097334;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D0A999CA9B68A91628CE2247C7F25264FEE78C92B04064C035F01F24F3720562 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '173.32.7.154 (ssh-rsa key from 173.32.7.154 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CA ON) 1600914;1484097334;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A63E2DD58B6D65BC0EB898A168A84445ED8F9D37F6D954289434CB73847EA27A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.141.170.176 (ssh-rsa key from 74.141.170.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-74-141-170-176.kya.res.rr.com. US KY) 1600915;1484097334;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBF4B351FBBC9C379A177BC10AD4053EACA74343FE9D5B850A1D79C9D5C16EC6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.67.83.236 (ssh-rsa key from 68.67.83.236 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (68-67-83-236.wavecable.com. US CA) 1600916;1484097335;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6C5F785BB27A8890DD56DD0558784E3B8212CE31BD4CBB7DF6192DC9E6946547 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.91.168.133 (ssh-rsa key from 66.91.168.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-66-91-168-133.hawaii.res.rr.com. US HI) 1600917;1484097335;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/60F73C8E844E7262B030899C0C9F570712E802009A3011EE5AAACF58102FF5EE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '64.30.126.213 (ssh-rsa key from 64.30.126.213 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (213.126-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net. US CA) 1600918;1484097336;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EFB5E37FC20282888D1E83F08DBF55F7DDDA84E66356EE10683FCC0D09F346BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '76.173.194.144 (ssh-rsa key from 76.173.194.144 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-76-173-194-144.hawaii.res.rr.com. US CA) 1600919;1484097336;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CCD89197BFBAC4E2F36087D03CB047DA018B2810081CF3E58CCDE481361F5192 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.183.143.207 (ssh-rsa key from 65.183.143.207 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (65-183-143-207-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net. US VT) 1600920;1484097337;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5EED8DA71DE6E101739A2B399F917652FE5FAB604B51CDDB5FA922F6B8E9DA09 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '70.167.75.146 (ssh-rsa key from 70.167.75.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (wsip-70-167-75-146.sd.sd.cox.net. US CA) 1600921;1484097337;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/57A748164A4EDCBC0806ED400D2A50D6C427459416CC87B2B40DA14720234576 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.80.195.73 (ssh-rsa key from 75.80.195.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-75-80-195-73.hawaii.res.rr.com. US HI) 1600922;1484097338;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6940B131113141314C58FCC2AD38B8C767B1C5AFDE8592834FA29CFE41E05F7C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.108.25.193 (ssh-rsa key from 198.108.25.193 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US MI) 1600923;1484097338;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/83EDE4449BBDE1C0A6C82F749880EE2B24B5BDBEF810F1B9287E59CDD3A42E11 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '135.23.122.39 (ssh-rsa key from 135.23.122.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (135-23-122-39.cpe.pppoe.ca. CA ON) 1600924;1484097339;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B66A8285DB0719C0FAA520E17E99DD23285EB76D7E6259FD063B8CB4CCEEBB52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '165.124.180.22 (ssh-rsa key from 165.124.180.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US IL) 1600925;1484097339;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/292AC64506D114D06B2BF8DE08D9D3ED9094BBAD76FF2FBB2CAF9180C1EC8EDB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.135.118.180 (ssh-rsa key from 128.135.118.180 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (solar3.uchicago.edu. US IL) 1600926;1484097340;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E365681E93CBB050CB5A37F81680AD1415920ED80BB45078AED0DBD2D432600 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.135.118.179 (ssh-rsa key from 128.135.118.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (solar2.uchicago.edu. US IL) 1600927;1484097340;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CC007F0DD03B57B028639281189C9D860727900240BF67C9276FE04C1080EE1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.46.209.135 (ssh-rsa key from 72.46.209.135 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US TX) 1600928;1484097341;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6EB4032713B4EC3E947A118DCBE9F0B1E7CEF1C70CD97202BDC378B5653FBD84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.91.75.255 (ssh-rsa key from 66.91.75.255 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-66-91-75-255.hawaii.res.rr.com. US HI) 1600929;1484097341;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/98A777C8EFF40CE4BCFCA117B9ABA8993E14C8CBC568AACEE6AEA0CE80BE755F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.75.3.223 (ssh-rsa key from 74.75.3.223 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpe-74-75-3-223.maine.res.rr.com. US ME) 1600930;1484097342;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB80CEE8E532296E5361984A0209C5DE0169809EA68E6D2F8DE43F7A3DC4443A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '141.239.148.243 (ssh-rsa key from 141.239.148.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (udp068939uds.hawaiiantel.net. US) 1600931;1484097350;asciilifeform;it was never any mystery which ones these'd be, if you see a prime factor ~1/2 the length of the modulus... it's a loose end. 1600932;1484097359;mircea_popescu;aha. 1600933;1484097396;mircea_popescu;also, it's useful to get the hostnames of the idiots published. 1600934;1484097427;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/3331ad4db5a3ebd5ca7f61e0e04db031/tumblr_o258asz57T1uj49axo1_1280.jpg 1600935;1484097874;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/941638F6B0A1D551E35864524A20D7A5E95DBFCD7716F938C1936077C99E8EEB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1296...1999 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.28.193 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.28.193 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HE) 1600936;1484097874;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4115E55DE434A1E29C28DB4040660F0A6F6FD00779B5E1A9EF6830DAE9346782 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1296...1999 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.28.194 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.28.194 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HE) 1600937;1484097874;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8D7218E42B9B78209C901D2DBADDDCE591B6636791CB7F1B7C3C39C60CAEAFCD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1326...9423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.38.245.200 (ssh-rsa key from 46.38.245.200 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ptr.200.245.38.46.static.yourvserver.net. DE) 1600938;1484097874;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/942206EDACAB8A5655A9A41A9ABDBB5F6B9D49BBAF4C110588AE1D583FE5C47F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1375...1537 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.208.74.84 (ssh-rsa key from 67.208.74.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US VA) 1600939;1484097874;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0807775395C1F855854BC4A07802FC35DB799BE865A1A7DC12FD102E4763D86C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1386...9453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '104.200.150.203 (ssh-rsa key from 104.200.150.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US GA) 1600940;1484097874;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1B1E2AE651C64D0962CD01E7DF0CB9EF9C903EA2F0B537C45B1724C4D7E96C74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1394...1107 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.42.13 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.42.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (38.96.42.13.c3050-MedaSend.STATIC.WILOGIC.COM. US CA) 1600941;1484097875;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF377674893AE5B24A2C05E8CEA017E2B825916DC2B1288D65229198BF0B7D6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1383...6437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.253.102.107 (ssh-rsa key from 87.253.102.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host-107-102.253-87.enter.it. IT) 1600942;1484097875;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E0B7CD5D505155EDAB57DEE5C6318C8DBD0D077163ACA46955DBD2FF0A27DB16 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1398...0589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.36.248.3 (ssh-rsa key from 188.36.248.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.lorinfo.ro. HU) 1600943;1484097876;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2D569D0E1D2A0D34D3998C2E71FB3EF7BC122E3710D52D625A649AF0009E0D11 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1398...0589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.201.19.20 (ssh-rsa key from 200.201.19.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR) 1600944;1484097876;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26FD36A26FBC025D9B11A94C8F68F681B35BA9B3C4EC7ADC4DAD355A0ED08788 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...8107 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.41.235.74 (ssh-rsa key from 200.41.235.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (maq074j.advance.com.ar. AR) 1600945;1484098360;asciilifeform;http://palmmicro.com/woody/blog.html << in other weird. 1600946;1484098391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr you're missing out on all the lisp fun and ima not tell you where it is! 1600947;1484098414;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5AFF3B451FBA3BA7CD74C161964A415BC8B4C91A95C67E71973DCBB8A1BFFAA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1419...2019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.5.86 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.5.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-5-86.dc0.ghst.net. FR) 1600948;1484098414;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9F1EE20C3A4FE880549D962DE6DA00610DF77E6CE3F9E72852135D3CDA42F9F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...2229 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '71.169.195.2 (ssh-rsa key from 71.169.195.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600949;1484098414;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CECB65C85ACEA65A99696F413876FC5A56485791ECA4EA8BE3CB97DDDE2F1455 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...9753 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.228.22.146 (ssh-rsa key from 195.228.22.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.kemikalrt.hu. HU) 1600950;1484098414;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5D63802567FDCC2F1B4553144B2A48FE96CD51B2BE2A66ACA5BB70EA1F3AE2E4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1437...2709 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '31.197.52.226 (ssh-rsa key from 31.197.52.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host226-52-static.197-31-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1600951;1484098414;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/49C4753B9C5947D58F2B4DFD9F688DD4F9E5C650A48D0ABF20D0BA753ADD1751 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1419...2603 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.47.147.61 (ssh-rsa key from 189.47.147.61 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (189-47-147-61.dsl.telesp.net.br. BR) 1600952;1484098414;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEE6B1521D93CE1983B98DAC3DDEC4D3B74D2316105ADF8BE6E9F18555E34512 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1450...1319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.38.64.200 (ssh-rsa key from 84.38.64.200 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (server200.serverflex.de. DE) 1600953;1484098415;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/759C68B8365176AA1079B2B4F7441A955875EAA1418B4F4EC3EE8FA6A9628F79 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1468...5673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.0.182.181 (ssh-rsa key from 200.0.182.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (gestion.rect.mdp.edu.ar. AR B) 1600954;1484098415;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32A2FD288C9E665E6A7E8057FED1695FC32ADD513828B215ECC2A738AA237374 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1468...5673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '118.88.16.66 (ssh-rsa key from 118.88.16.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (budweiser.dcwest.net.au. AU) 1600955;1484098416;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D412EECD1FA02464F26A6ECBD314708A4CD19C4C3355989E084EC14E927D4E97 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1470...2103 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.80.215.14 (ssh-rsa key from 88.80.215.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (satyr.userwimt.com. DE NW) 1600956;1484098416;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEDC9060C972F444DC2411AA4122B48B69B23D36FD4D48E2CF094E3E6D9803BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1470...2103 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.80.208.138 (ssh-rsa key from 88.80.208.138 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (zephyr.ws. DE NW) 1600957;1484098417;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/897D7129E4FB6BDA4359AA35DBAC9362686AA3A4D01015E014A7B68F3CDC3683 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1474...5967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.182.69 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.182.69 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns2.etc-resolv-conf.de. DE) 1600958;1484098417;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1BCF3D33C38AD0F8309F7F5355E45C9FF897B465076239EFA13A1C1F30C74B49 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1461...0283 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '219.118.238.43 (ssh-rsa key from 219.118.238.43 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (43.238.118.219.megaegg.ne.jp. JP) 1600959;1484098418;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/659E156DABCBFD0E6FE9584AD14481E6FD09F3A3760249C37419693B4A165977 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1461...0283 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '86.49.179.61 (ssh-rsa key from 86.49.179.61 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mon.czfo.net. CZ JM) 1600960;1484098428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's mail.lorinfo.ro ? looks like isp. major one ? 1600961;1484098443;mircea_popescu;minor 1600962;1484098476;mircea_popescu;tiny one person thing in rural nowhere. 1600963;1484098482;asciilifeform;lolk 1600964;1484098510;mircea_popescu;!~google miercurea nirajului 1600965;1484098511;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Miercurea Nirajului - Wikipedia: ; Miercurea Nirajului - Wikipedia: ; Nirajul Mic River ( Miercurea Nirajului ) - Wikipedia: 1600966;1484098984;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/16D38B9B2C057E39E3CEF0CD88076AA1456676967AD7DCF6B843C308D15E013A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...5733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.92.109.80 (ssh-rsa key from 213.92.109.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip080.net-b.elogic.it. IT) 1600967;1484098984;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B6FCC9792F88B1213F4051EDA02044FC32A418CA447153312FA68B7F2EFCF92 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...5733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '185.96.204.12 (ssh-rsa key from 185.96.204.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' () 1600968;1484098984;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F17C93EE7FD8D851D06FF801B70B1B964839244B5E0B91C121454AE981F8F3A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...5733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.88.238.79 (ssh-rsa key from 81.88.238.79 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT) 1600969;1484098984;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED58DAA220AE6A416309DA385664356943B58D2FA0B256C6C4BA771CE3A0F07D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...7187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.176.168.194 (ssh-rsa key from 212.176.168.194 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.khabturist.ru. RU) 1600970;1484098984;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D5A6ECF3E1E41C5ED9D66AF3B8BF006A9F0F2CB2C900CE462C1A0387AFAD7BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1503...3289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.241.66.217 (ssh-rsa key from 91.241.66.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static-ip-91.241.66.217.worldrid.com. LV) 1600971;1484098984;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A723587CF1DA10B9A8C583AD98D448944CF7E36B09D9DBB94F9814243FA076C4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1527...6477 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.18.102.106 (ssh-rsa key from 85.18.102.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (85-18-102-106.ip.fastwebnet.it. IT TO 21) 1600972;1484098985;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B01455C100B9DB9268F1490EA48379EDCCFEC519F430E36812B570790BE85D98 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...6707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.129.19.45 (ssh-rsa key from 212.129.19.45 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (prodweb.d-ns.fr. FR) 1600973;1484098985;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8B213F3E99C8276EF9F4F7283718B1FC1E05CD4588623C6F20F1FED833CE1085 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1488...3909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.208.92 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.208.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (li23-92.members.linode.com. US TX) 1600974;1484098986;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A8567569490690A4A212DEEDF7809300A0F133264CEB4ED07E15261F5F26C5E4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1445...9913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.238.63.50 (ssh-rsa key from 128.238.63.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (blackbox.poly.edu. US NY) 1600975;1484098986;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9A722E5BF5484670B724C23B3994A39B289E4D1752B5686D64F7C73D75A943E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1467...3827 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.140.175.8 (ssh-rsa key from 195.140.175.8 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (internal.boras.org. SE) 1600976;1484098987;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8DFA8E2B4A5EFDCF8D83ECD847232B1AFE87B53619E9894BC8B027A85B04657A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1466...5699 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.237.70.39 (ssh-rsa key from 87.237.70.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (87-237.70-39.hns.net. GB) 1600977;1484098987;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8E67DDE3533500E77FA8C51E6EB3C38801B39136B0AE3979A2EB5F7301754F32 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1488...9667 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.185.83.16 (ssh-rsa key from 213.185.83.16 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (zope4.bugsys.de. DE NW) 1600978;1484099053;asciilifeform;http://www.boras.org << lel, some d00d 1600979;1484099083;asciilifeform;'powered by google sites' << they debianize?! 1600980;1484099104;mircea_popescu;aha. 1600981;1484099113;mircea_popescu;~all linux is debian you realise. just like ssh = openssh etc. 1600982;1484099127;asciilifeform;if it were 'all linux', we'd be drowning in these 1600983;1484099255;mircea_popescu;oh wait we aren't ?! 1600984;1484099524;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA922C4231F27162C0AAEFE533A7543F56F959104E31050E35589D2F75920A4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1522...2893 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.100.150.245 (ssh-rsa key from 198.100.150.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.enov.ca. CA QC) 1600985;1484099524;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ADF490BD303CC6598A8A3C092437F4F4714806EBC51CF956A21869AE72376C7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1535...3309 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '146.82.91.198 (ssh-rsa key from 146.82.91.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600986;1484099524;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D2694452F353466563DC9F89DBB7A4AD5EF331ED7AA5ACE1855975A06E811386 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1528...9033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '204.145.237.168 (ssh-rsa key from 204.145.237.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600987;1484099524;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C4D4E078F32C106157FBD9FEF3DF6A0C744B221B683CEF36BAE23E64494A686F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1528...9033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '204.145.237.169 (ssh-rsa key from 204.145.237.169 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1600988;1484099524;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6466240DD220E98CD516C1889933D6D4FA6449CB64056056466853FB9E633220 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1482...2317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.10.172.112 (ssh-rsa key from 58.10.172.112 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-58-10-172-112.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 10) 1600989;1484099525;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4EB3D73F37CD7FCBAF3163938FFB3D87154339BB3B64AAFB99EE227570B58B55 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1499...2809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.118.232.173 (ssh-rsa key from 87.118.232.173 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1600990;1484099525;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6947C42F6830912A417E8C9BFA88AED21CF28B5F679EA38E802A5269FEA5ED7C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1561...4389 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '61.122.227.170 (ssh-rsa key from 61.122.227.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown JP) 1600991;1484099526;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08467375230A802EA818860C21543DDD99EE78501F71F543F14544AA0B8AC831 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1560...7747 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.68.164.141 (ssh-rsa key from 78.68.164.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (78-68-164-141-no224.tbcn.telia.com. SE) 1600992;1484099526;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B8B57C5F1BF98E9F5867F51264E3E2C8496B2C3535035C974E8CBA411DCAE019 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1566...9647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.172.155.140 (ssh-rsa key from 5.172.155.140 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (canary.ashbysoft.co.uk. GB) 1600993;1484099527;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D1DCD9D24831D4775FDEA5B0E52422F0F1D2C0436ADABD7DEB6BFF18F0244D45 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1491...8457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.229.185.115 (ssh-rsa key from 201.229.185.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (115.185.229.201.f.sta.codetel.net.do. DO 01) 1600994;1484099527;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AE1178235E7D7270D9F2BE2C53F258698623BD560C8F12E557A75DC681F8FB5C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1512...4413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.187.122 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.187.122 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (LPuteaux-656-1-184-122.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR) 1600995;1484100124;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B1FE59175368AE9C1B5BC39DE792F52FBB8AD56FD4F12E13195D45084FAF737 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.101.203.171 (ssh-rsa key from 212.101.203.171 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.elektro-heikes.de. DE) 1600996;1484100124;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/796EB84CA00FB256CF5F0E4D618E96E342AD3688D8C98BD8C99F5EA3BAD05798 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.100.215.33 (ssh-rsa key from 82.100.215.33 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.becherer.com. DE) 1600997;1484100124;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E040CDDBA5C09DFFCDD36628948300A15F733B3F00BA69ECE204A0DF4E56D43 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.2.168.188 (ssh-rsa key from 62.2.168.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (62-2-168-188.static.cablecom.ch. CH AG) 1600998;1484100124;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E355018F75BAA1EDC217305124AFCC33E95BEC6EF7DF4C659C10C470443CD914 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.83.104.56 (ssh-rsa key from 82.83.104.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (dslc-082-083-104-056.pools.arcor-ip.net. DE) 1600999;1484100125;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/922435AAAD37AFAFD0CBF78F18BBC9F6C8E98784A182C91590A2D18AAECC8269 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.17.192.84 (ssh-rsa key from 217.17.192.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (colandis.iks-jena.de. DE) 1601000;1484100125;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5216CCDA87665F57058378ED16B0A0366E7FC1F7334B8FBD00CB9A0F87BD423 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.79.189.154 (ssh-rsa key from 88.79.189.154 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail01.be-heico.de. DE) 1601001;1484100126;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/94A40360D4108FFFA117D4B1642F412A78D2ADEC9F6602794439475C7BE2BF64 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.8.51.165 (ssh-rsa key from 217.8.51.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (HSI-KBW-217-008-051-165.hsi.kabelbw.de. DE) 1601002;1484100126;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D3B4698722F001F6809BF82616414ADC34D59BE75354D3AA1DEF476850DF34A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.92.1.43 (ssh-rsa key from 217.92.1.43 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd95c012b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE RP) 1601003;1484100127;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F54008AE3FADA22531547A33562B62FD88ED9B238DF439A7ECD9DE2D1A1D8E2C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...8927 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.86.147.195 (ssh-rsa key from 217.86.147.195 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd95693c3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601004;1484100127;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F30A4781829EA11A88B47D270FB5A09CD0E322A9A0B1468234CD8F9A70B658C5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1496...5549 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.23.91.197 (ssh-rsa key from 212.23.91.197 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (office.render.ur.ru. RU SVE) 1601005;1484100128;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/13064262A4D3B4EFF4DEB33BB7EBCDA4C514AAE2E07EEF740AB521C671E8E098 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1582...5899 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.210.21.229 (ssh-rsa key from 190.210.21.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (customer-static-210-21-229.iplannetworks.net. AR C) 1601006;1484100128;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/935C281E93290085CEF5E89EA683BF22ADF83017C0C76A563E494485929B1BFB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1582...5899 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.225.241.126 (ssh-rsa key from 195.225.241.126 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE) 1601007;1484100129;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F6A5CC52DE927A6FC904C3328323B49C81EB28A65E695F25400E1243126E500 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...2833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.199.252.41 (ssh-rsa key from 91.199.252.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (smtp0.dtnet.co.uk. GB) 1601008;1484100129;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D2CA0966381319435FEDE0B611717A64CC21BC39C134C92F6E647DBFF3E5194C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...2833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.199.252.37 (ssh-rsa key from 91.199.252.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns0.dtnet.co.uk. GB) 1601009;1484100130;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CB5B9699322EEC005113CAC40C5CB213475C7CC6C7FBF3FFDB56196B0D99D54F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...2833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.199.252.39 (ssh-rsa key from 91.199.252.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown GB) 1601010;1484100130;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF4C4C8469C55752452DD0A5E61FEFB16EF31E9E6D28B6B5A987747CD740D58A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1555...7083 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.163.218.201 (ssh-rsa key from 77.163.218.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip4da3dac9.direct-adsl.nl. NL) 1601011;1484100131;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0F6F819CBD16DBC24399EDE2905439DC9EDF6DBC52BBCE9C8D5F1592D769A662 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1517...3973 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.131.128.15 (ssh-rsa key from 200.131.128.15 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (prometeu.unifei.edu.br. BR) 1601012;1484100131;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4446E29F632C1BB97B84C66F1A6565BFC1A865B4D6B1B8FBC3417E3D1AAE353 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1526...0319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.166.50.22 (ssh-rsa key from 89.166.50.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (re2.corded.org. FI) 1601013;1484100132;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DECBEE266F6E46C73F4B232AAD7F8E2F8DA124EB75828ED85DBCD2782E174713 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...6077 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '64.26.168.21 (ssh-rsa key from 64.26.168.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (notes.magma.ca. CA ON) 1601014;1484100132;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA7D81B8571A61EE2A5F6B1FE0FEABD28D4C1E01C0462C73AFDA79F72450F88F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1584...3479 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.7.196.47 (ssh-rsa key from 189.7.196.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR RS) 1601015;1484100133;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6650211B1354070194D09DAC3E12C17DC8BDCDC7B2C770048B00A3A0A8AA823E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1483...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.163.169.221 (ssh-rsa key from 69.163.169.221 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ps13855.dreamhost.com. US CA) 1601016;1484100405;mircea_popescu;and in other schoolgirls, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a1f6f0a7221c8b41344c9477e3166c37/tumblr_o2k6ekkTR11qzhjh2o1_1280.jpg 1601017;1484100664;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/28ED0A651B3CF9434A08A486D6073700042996FE39715688490B8245C1E17A74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1581...8749 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.88.54.2 (ssh-rsa key from 85.88.54.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (server.blanquart.com. BE) 1601018;1484100665;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6539A7693B9B0E9864C3C32D18E6C15A916F77A55F0C33C4A5CCEACAB1B28B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1628...5489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.189.31.101 (ssh-rsa key from 46.189.31.101 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE) 1601019;1484100665;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/53053C1BC5D169E24F3586A6E407DDA42A4417EE6CBD909A2CC7A1A77FE4904B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1563...5609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.23.201.24 (ssh-rsa key from 209.23.201.24 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (209-23-201-24-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US CA) 1601020;1484100665;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CB79B430D8D9A0AAA3FAAF31BDE492C5498F360AE3A07D5F14FC95DA3755CF30 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1583...2129 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.127.248.16 (ssh-rsa key from 84.127.248.16 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (84.127.248.16.static.user.ono.com. ES) 1601021;1484100665;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8AFE85EE38E35347D91DF3CB3FA752B92BFE87E63E5088DDB63CA002092BD5B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1512...2407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.185.242.125 (ssh-rsa key from 89.185.242.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (barbucha.apedia.com. CZ) 1601022;1484100665;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DAC33F3F762E4895F7111563648B22EB6D9C6B5E32AD726850178FD122B6CAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1621...7599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.78.96.113 (ssh-rsa key from 77.78.96.113 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (assigned-77-78-96-113.casablanca.cz. CZ) 1601023;1484100666;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0EEAC20CCB90C6BBD59D0E94E3ED84FA3406B0120B949CE8F012724967D2801 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1550...2459 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.142.35.74 (ssh-rsa key from 83.142.35.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.cambam.co.uk. GB) 1601024;1484100666;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/385EE025FC928343EE9399A60CCB0EF90A3A0C1A1A08E2DB0EC9C80D48826229 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...8349 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.199.64.176 (ssh-rsa key from 85.199.64.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE) 1601025;1484100667;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EAB0B27DB3EB116F85659CB90F9795C7D880DBF8FA85EEF92ADEDC5CDC9102ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1582...3029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.89.242.61 (ssh-rsa key from 65.89.242.61 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1601026;1484100667;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5BCACD7B07B60A240EB484E38F792586156D6321A0908B6F94676A440A77643 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1511...0117 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.202.117.66 (ssh-rsa key from 190.202.117.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown VE) 1601027;1484100708;asciilifeform;www.cambam.co.uk << 'CamBam is an application to create CAM files (gcode) from CAD source files or its own internal geometry editor. CamBam has many users worldwide, from CNC hobbyists to professional machinists and engineers.' 1601028;1484100732;asciilifeform;lel, smalltime winblowz payware, i thought these died out... 1601029;1484100807;asciilifeform;blanquart.com << photography d00d 1601030;1484100819;asciilifeform;apedia.com << czechs?? jurov ? 1601031;1484100868;asciilifeform;render.ur.ru >> 'ООО «Рендер» — ведущая компания холдинга «Таганский ряд», объединяющего 42 предприятия различных сфер бизнеса. Основная сфера деятельности – управление коммерческой недвижимостью, девелопмент. Компания давно и хорошо известна 1601032;1484100868;mircea_popescu;lmao what, he's in charge of czechs now ? 1601033;1484100868;asciilifeform; на уральском рынке, прочно «прописавшись» на нем 12 лет назад' << mega-l0l 1601034;1484100880;asciilifeform;of slovaks at least. 1601035;1484100920;mircea_popescu;cuz i knew some rather unruly czechs. 1601036;1484100987;asciilifeform;becherer.com >> 'Entspannte Arbeitsumgebung im neuen Verwaltungsbau des Universitäts- 1601037;1484100987;asciilifeform;klinikums in Freiburg … mit Einrichtungen von Becherer.' 1601038;1484101055;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/36C5969FFF24CDEFCA17D94B9E4A4FB87C97ED6F9152224579A9F4C3CBD04F77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1590...6417 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '115.127.2.228 (ssh-rsa key from 115.127.2.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BD) 1601039;1484101055;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/99308E227B853B52055044CB406639B752184E22E87D268A10AA8B9A29B8E3F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...1293 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.87.147.108 (ssh-rsa key from 212.87.147.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (intern.fertighaus-weiss.de. DE) 1601040;1484101055;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/427DBA3146C93DDC9738C8D80C1508F216704D10D5F22FC3C8CAD7164AC93B54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...1293 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.87.147.107 (ssh-rsa key from 212.87.147.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ox.fertighaus-weiss.de. DE) 1601041;1484101055;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2A571AA446B51B92039C76073E1992C3B2DA2E2308E8149308EF87E3A82AF496 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...1293 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.87.147.109 (ssh-rsa key from 212.87.147.109 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (crm.fertighaus-weiss.de. DE) 1601042;1484101055;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7FDF437C01599EA7E7FC253BAE402D33B10CC0EAFEF96963B1CC1EA14637F1A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1513...5973 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.30.246.244 (ssh-rsa key from 213.30.246.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BW) 1601043;1484101055;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAAE4AA454FB04C8B59878AE9A1AD6B1CE037DA139F754C15986D24183C7F2A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...3299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.119.154.150 (ssh-rsa key from 85.119.154.150 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.digilunch.ch. DE NW) 1601044;1484101056;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/96BFA0C17BE98898B92F20752BFFC93DE0A3C4F9A2D8DEE7CC18270780A8FCEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...3299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.119.154.174 (ssh-rsa key from 85.119.154.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (wso.soil2.ch. DE NW) 1601045;1484101056;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/80CB8DC557057A9550131634014C3EAD6CD92499E8C3266CB3981F06ED8A4A0D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...3299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.119.154.175 (ssh-rsa key from 85.119.154.175 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sec.soil2.ch. DE NW) 1601046;1484101057;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC0E3D6DE5D49CB2216B41DCC324A402E22511134B8DB6EF249EF2AF84F49456 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1641...1047 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.236.111.100 (ssh-rsa key from 89.236.111.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (59ec6f64.tnnet.fi. FI) 1601047;1484101057;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2864849FD60EAD02C4D43FE3EDED7AB328B6BD02A07F6645CEB7E2598B6CF6DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1516...1049 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.110.201.226 (ssh-rsa key from 62.110.201.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host226-201-static.110-62-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601048;1484101058;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5EEE9F4BEE5BBD00A1FB0C48ECB9C22B992CCF198D67F89BB52DDF3C527A62D3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1606...7933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.33.93.146 (ssh-rsa key from 213.33.93.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.esto.at. AT 2) 1601049;1484101058;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/519431517F2EEE77C00D3B35D4367D1FADDEE2E997630D06686FDDD7798872FC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1567...8607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.43.181.131 (ssh-rsa key from 189.43.181.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR) 1601050;1484101059;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90E51D18442FC89F425F58625464D290E90690482FE15E880CAEB4554B52084E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1567...8607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.43.181.130 (ssh-rsa key from 189.43.181.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR) 1601051;1484101059;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/14715EDF967A50B88FE58146CEED8B676684D3591C2A8C92ED297960C51B808C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1500...9913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.204.129.218 (ssh-rsa key from 223.204.129.218 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mx-ll-223.204.129-218.dynamic.3bb.co.th. TH) 1601052;1484101096;asciilifeform;somehow i did not previously notice the mass of mail.* 1601053;1484101113;asciilifeform;who if not el cheapo isp, to set up debianized box and leave it be, forever. 1601054;1484101187;asciilifeform;digilunch.ch >> 'Wir sind eine kleine aber feine Software-Firma aus der Schweiz. Seit 2004 steht unser Name für intelligente webbasierte Lösungen.' 1601055;1484101244;asciilifeform;fertighaus-weiss.de >> prefab house builders.. 1601056;1484101261;asciilifeform;soil2 == digilunch 1601057;1484101295;asciilifeform;esto.at >> lamp seller/installer. 1601058;1484101367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had a mega-point though: from above it is clear that w.europe's linux uptake was, approx., == debian uptake. 1601059;1484101395;mircea_popescu;aha 1601060;1484101535;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/69060F73477E457C8B532FE9D9B275520316B1C16DEBB3069B1081608DDE98A4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1599...2253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.83.66.138 (ssh-rsa key from 195.83.66.138 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (radius-sci.campus.univ-poitiers.fr. FR 86 T) 1601061;1484101535;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA777B7E16443B2697B34E4C690CBA912634EF1BB8551CB9038ECAB19C165DB2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1548...3939 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.45 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.45 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (CSR745PC-InFi-HuBe-Or-Ca-c1813-JGMAutomotive-V. US CA) 1601062;1484101535;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE5906A2283734A27C74A2951BF8DC1020DA22CF51BF7FDF6F00A0229082794F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1548...3939 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.40.121 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.40.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (38.96.40.121.c1813-JGMAutomotive.STATIC.WILOGIC.COM. US CA) 1601063;1484101535;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDFBA7D71CBDF37C6F1867C956C5B9ED90D75C7BCE5AAD6F5FDC1A88C4D43F31 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1638...5477 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.242.101.134 (ssh-rsa key from 190.242.101.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CO DC) 1601064;1484101535;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/406577CA894C81B306E183F8E52DC6A997A0DFC2F6014A022722084E4F1C6F78 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1599...9983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.69.47.168 (ssh-rsa key from 200.69.47.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown AR E) 1601065;1484101535;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7631661FB3429A9E2DD74163BEA3657BB854412B7832EFA9BED16BC26949233 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1656...1263 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.104.72.72 (ssh-rsa key from 89.104.72.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (5715.ovz-n7.hc.ru. RU) 1601066;1484101536;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B2EF6C36A8EC29E5F7E0BE1EEA9C8F396ABC13F484CED1F381A3672D8EED313 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...5317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '222.191.251.188 (ssh-rsa key from 222.191.251.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 32) 1601067;1484101536;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0913FE5562069534352FC54A7FF66AB599DC9B099561C1DC89808C36A1132F08 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1631...8413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.44.57 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.44.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (CSR2088MT750-SaAn-c3142-BarnesAccountancyCorporation. US CA) 1601068;1484101537;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBBAEA2FCFBDA7A5185132DFE6933D5BC725DCFD9C7E73559592F5DA86110A78 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1658...0207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.152.3.133 (ssh-rsa key from 85.152.3.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-staticIP-85-152-3-133.telecable.es. ES AS O) 1601069;1484101537;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8976E85B167783F01BC1A02EF1CEDA4CEB56CC571BBD465FA9DC24EA6DD8282F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1659...7367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.108.119.134 (ssh-rsa key from 192.108.119.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rhadamanthe.ipv6.rennes.telecom-bretagne.eu. FR E 29) 1601070;1484101538;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/48A3A6A992C6E02B8E758F938184608749C5AF381CE95CC5DF64BA394C3527FD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1659...7367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.108.119.145 (ssh-rsa key from 192.108.119.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sproj.rsm.enstb.fr. FR E 29) 1601071;1484101538;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC884FCFBBA8357197DAC7255FC07AF59AC983BE1C89F33C2AC68A844B60BAC6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1571...4563 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.79.62 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.79.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (srv02.he.kandinsky.net. DE NW) 1601072;1484102075;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7A8A672E497B5CF1402BA295E0D46017A7C04D516B3EFC41FC6621D09E812A40 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1521...4183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '206.123.115.9 (ssh-rsa key from 206.123.115.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (n-s1.nofunca.com. US MO) 1601073;1484102075;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CDE0EB6C581D23C4D24451A316CF43EFB241A22EA35B998B4CB6A7DC79AB7548 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1664...1157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.138.153.12 (ssh-rsa key from 62.138.153.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ds62-138-153-12.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW) 1601074;1484102075;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4477E41E8EB0AC0823C3BC680EAF68DB907ECC7C0C2444AFA96CA36150240823 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1551...4269 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.8.113 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.8.113 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www2.webatelier.com. FR) 1601075;1484102075;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FD1FE812A112FF03CBB7C96A231149F70EB7C18072840E8E7FF71BC19E18121D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1586...2769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.43.219.84 (ssh-rsa key from 208.43.219.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (208-43-219-84.lx-vs.net. US TX) 1601076;1484102075;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6EE7AE766E78B3809CDC98327473BC8C76D6A60FEC01FE9DF2319666A16E9809 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1586...2769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.228.191.48 (ssh-rsa key from 67.228.191.48 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (tmp.lylix.net. US TX) 1601077;1484102075;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8E5EF0F80BA1C0C4D5518831E9D973934BC689CAA2E7AFB05456C9E538899D4E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1586...2769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.43.219.106 (ssh-rsa key from 208.43.219.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (208.43.219.106.lx-vs.net. US TX) 1601078;1484102076;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/60B73691AF761B70D7AF176A663273FF1AAE76D6E7802DF9CF297D56EEDD9A06 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1586...2769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.43.219.68 (ssh-rsa key from 208.43.219.68 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (208-43-219-68.lx-vs.net. US TX) 1601079;1484102076;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11B8CBEC1CD172E1A607DDF4C4E081783430194C71DF03971F318A74FA1A78E5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1542...7077 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.76.119.202 (ssh-rsa key from 217.76.119.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (119.202.rev.vline.pl. PL LD) 1601080;1484102077;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D2006B26699C5DF86F80F32299AA83EB4E63F1CDD9E2244D061F0E715E9B8C27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1605...4633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.39.123.202 (ssh-rsa key from 85.39.123.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host202-123-static.39-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601081;1484102077;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C941C0D40294DCDE80DA38D8C4E7EE6BA53FBC3C976A783B33760EA90F1D042D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1621...2793 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.144.34.241 (ssh-rsa key from 193.144.34.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (acsug.cesga.es. ES) 1601082;1484102078;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4DCA64429E4FEB1092FB49529CADCAFD7F98F59B987C97324F2CAC0F1DF0DE27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1695...0807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '114.109.150.46 (ssh-rsa key from 114.109.150.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-114-109-150-46.revip13.asianet.co.th. TH 57) 1601083;1484102078;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3CF47E67D62083A3F78CD1EAC90780F6A1EEB45AECBFD96B25E752429747EA75 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1610...2187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.200.143.51 (ssh-rsa key from 212.200.143.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (212-200-143-51.static.isp.telekom.rs. RS) 1601084;1484102079;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7FB815DF4016453F53D249A816CE408AE8ECDA29C5E54FC236405EAE71FA7CC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...9917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.126.234.26 (ssh-rsa key from 211.126.234.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (smtp.sd21.co.jp. JP) 1601085;1484102141;asciilifeform;lylix.net >> linux hoster and voice pbx !! 1601086;1484102149;mircea_popescu;and in other "we admitted to ourselves and others that our body weight had become unmanageable" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/45bd750529e3d5003a5d899c1d22c7aa/tumblr_o2at86xKG41udhn6bo1_1280.jpg 1601087;1484102214;*;asciilifeform expected a BingoBoingo monstrosity behind the link, no dice 1601088;1484102265;mircea_popescu;awww! 1601089;1484102278;mircea_popescu;body weight can become unmangeable at all weights! 1601090;1484102361;asciilifeform;ok mircea_popescu will particularly love this one: 1601091;1484102362;asciilifeform;http://cesga.es >> 'A propuesta de la Comisión de Igualdad del CESGA , el pasado miércoles 21 de diciembre en reunión del personal del CESGA, se aprobó por unanimidad la implantación de un Protocolo de Prevención e Actuación frente al Acoso Sexual o por Razón de Sexo. Dicho documento incluye una serie de medidas que tienen como objeto la prevención, información, sensibilización, formación y asesoramiento en materia de aco 1601092;1484102362;asciilifeform;so sexual y por razón de sexo en el ámbito laboral.' 1601093;1484102378;asciilifeform;and at the same time ^ 'supercomputing expertise for small & medium enterprise network' ! 1601094;1484102575;mircea_popescu;eh, they have no fucking idea what "ambito laboral" is. 1601095;1484102590;mircea_popescu;no spanish speaker has ever done any work. i don't think EVER, but certainly not in the past century. 1601096;1484102615;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1972A5CEF04DAC935C5E495BE812A87C3B096A09E6409544C5651202754D80D2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1550...2167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.193.247.114 (ssh-rsa key from 82.193.247.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (114.247.193.82.ediscom.de. DE) 1601097;1484102615;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2DA123EB1CE71846BEFBD27EC6BA25DA9B8E42B52DA0FB9DE97C5F002EA5E235 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1617...6839 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.182.255.178 (ssh-rsa key from 85.182.255.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE HH) 1601098;1484102615;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/03E1C31F41E938593F0DC6B8CF6477A967B5778CD476F85610D60F89535C8EFE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1539...2539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.17.53.38 (ssh-rsa key from 200.17.53.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cria.inpa.gov.br. BR) 1601099;1484102615;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/60D037123E9DAFF2A05827FAFE30F22838C5ACC6D5C6EF5F5B91A3D1FF541AB0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1534...7549 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.17.195.246 (ssh-rsa key from 81.17.195.246 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host-81.17.195.246.virtualserver.fi. FI) 1601100;1484102615;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8B41FD1277568BE56BB412786A805ACDE44E0C862A6F95213F3F7610BA154318 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...8933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '104.251.100.201 (ssh-rsa key from 104.251.100.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (104-251-100-201.dedicated.allstream.net. CA) 1601101;1484102615;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF584B74D580932050B54676FE7C34F7977C4105EB3435F29D83891F6D1F13E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1554...7657 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.21.158.5 (ssh-rsa key from 213.21.158.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (x005.enginsoft.it. IT) 1601102;1484102616;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82AB4D785BE29BA4F82819B756FD4C737BE12D454FA61503DC0D3941D9756CA5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1727...3097 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '206.197.88.54 (ssh-rsa key from 206.197.88.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1601103;1484102616;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2F62A7B57A4E5C8D9636F377069C17E74C0AD770401F395DC49F61F9DA928E14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1569...3479 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.131.171.111 (ssh-rsa key from 37.131.171.111 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown PL) 1601104;1484102617;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AB26CD045E1E83CA745725DED7CC10E6D7EA3ABEE79DA207AFB97CB5E2208B6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...9879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.81.163.12 (ssh-rsa key from 80.81.163.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FI) 1601105;1484102617;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/091198EF8C7FE3FD565771DA97FB9C687CFD4BBD300CE3CCEA33B0CF3BCE733C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1638...4549 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.62.169.10 (ssh-rsa key from 88.62.169.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host10-169-static.62-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601106;1484102674;asciilifeform;inpa.gov.br >> 'MINISTÉRIO DA CIÊNCIA, TECNOLOGIA, INOVAÇÕES E COMUNICAÇÕES.' 1601107;1484102730;asciilifeform;http://www.enginsoft.it >> 'Key partner in Design Process Innovation' 1601108;1484102736;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1601109;1484102807;mircea_popescu;heh 1601110;1484103155;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5BA20A2947BF36EBC330DA1C51D486B270BD6CC301FF7EAF192DC802A1387624 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1746...4863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.41.252.195 (ssh-rsa key from 193.41.252.195 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vz.dis.de. DE) 1601111;1484103155;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0E61D37189B054E1F4438E87CE90CFEAB51D3C40E0D1AD0F41FF70B0106A36A0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1606...3503 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.95.224.203 (ssh-rsa key from 93.95.224.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (kapital-backend.kapital.is. IS) 1601112;1484103155;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BBBCBDD644D1D80A7C425768216B6423C800AF2652EC7E804BE35A2E98D19C0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1743...6033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.233.156.82 (ssh-rsa key from 91.233.156.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (91-233-156-82.interkonekt.pl. PL MA) 1601113;1484103155;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A75B28012F30E8CDFC0228051CC00833D5E2E38B1BC41E6E66FBA6A3A7FB66E4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1622...9493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '216.81.62.6 (ssh-rsa key from 216.81.62.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (216.81.62.6.epikip.net. CA BC) 1601114;1484103155;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E906CCADD206429754D318A2DBF2150F1DB8E4A961C2EB92E0DA3910933A9A60 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1753...6327 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.127.145.2 (ssh-rsa key from 200.127.145.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (200-127-145-2.net.prima.net.ar. AR C) 1601115;1484103155;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAD688212EDFE548299D094558342048B8C46E15D1FCF437862F5F9B1E864B6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...1269 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.138.142.45 (ssh-rsa key from 62.138.142.45 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-142.45.hosteurope.es. DE NW) 1601116;1484103156;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/16AB740E48D9DE233D76DDC3B508D0D920C574BCE40A58128CDCA00CCCA5821A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...9697 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '76.6.54.102 (ssh-rsa key from 76.6.54.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (nj-76-6-54-102.dhcp.embarqhsd.net. US NJ) 1601117;1484103156;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E104B13454BC622809E581B96356F30C3256686209B24E7535378861FD771B7E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...9487 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.76.214.46 (ssh-rsa key from 217.76.214.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT AO 23) 1601118;1484103157;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7F8C36D00B3BF478CA98E5D6F8BD35B8E2FCE92DF34EDC659B471C1B811E0C4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1563...3207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.138.127.137 (ssh-rsa key from 79.138.127.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vmserv2.appgate.com. SE N) 1601119;1484103157;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/52404B661E29BD85D41126D257E9EC3E927FD0F43EFB45AA96FACF520BAE2ED4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1687...5007 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '167.114.38.13 (ssh-rsa key from 167.114.38.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CA QC) 1601120;1484103695;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8980B19029D6B2929ABA90C5FB197112AF6124A18457CC7752DDFB494130F7BB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1687...1889 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.234.146.149 (ssh-rsa key from 207.234.146.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (207-234-146-149.ptr.primarydns.com. US FL) 1601121;1484103695;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1B818C00C15B84948FE638F6B6807D375844F2FFB3CD6F5DE491197ECA2E46E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...1457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '178.18.75.6 (ssh-rsa key from 178.18.75.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (6.75.folkis.sk. SK KI) 1601122;1484103695;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0ED47D5C18BFBD50294F2DB52C9925FED81DBD8C5FC403C116EF7E35A0E67770 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1595...8249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '107.21.243.76 (ssh-rsa key from 107.21.243.76 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ec2-107-21-243-76.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA) 1601123;1484103695;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/860DADC0B958050EF68B18CC5C0FD009F815D93957521C79870332FD292CE74D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1700...2489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.122.172.83 (ssh-rsa key from 212.122.172.83 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.hs.government.bg. BG) 1601124;1484103695;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06B289FC324E9759BCE3BE4821F8C0A66FE21C9ED0C3F8389CB5960AEE3AD151 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1610...4279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.17.109.38 (ssh-rsa key from 190.17.109.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (38-109-17-190.fibertel.com.ar. AR) 1601125;1484103696;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/185DBF5D4298D675A8FC76103F0C8BCD4245E87E1E1FB0238D2D2D24378B73B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1573...1493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '70.100.42.43 (ssh-rsa key from 70.100.42.43 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (70-100-42-43.br1.sho.az.frontiernet.net. US AZ) 1601126;1484103696;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2AC02D7A4C8E983AACE8AB5BE6E9AB9B95D77CD7365AEEDA0C758A8A5EF807F7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1675...5119 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.47.199.198 (ssh-rsa key from 195.47.199.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vs3.pd.smartbone.it. IT) 1601127;1484103697;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A611E82F23E24D886270D30F3B385CA511FFCD95353CB0F692173CD2936AD153 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1600...0163 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '86.63.207.132 (ssh-rsa key from 86.63.207.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CZ) 1601128;1484103697;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4509E48544A18B0E0A1C2B7F5B1FFE45085868EF782A34B60A45265BF78958C5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1564...7987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '143.225.229.131 (ssh-rsa key from 143.225.229.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT NA 72) 1601129;1484103698;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AAA3ACAE68C6B707EF0E32E96CE14B7E6EA38E5B795CCF33EBCC6508DBBB4824 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1628...0583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '196.46.112.7 (ssh-rsa key from 196.46.112.7 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (nms0.kino.cd.ibcore.net. CD) 1601130;1484104170;asciilifeform;hs.government.bg >> Областна администрация Хасково (belarus) 1601131;1484104205;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01B6EA0685EA2F9767EA4A78BC9CB5F8C18AC86B7C8445B6A397DFD514A4A8DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.91.168.67 (ssh-rsa key from 217.91.168.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd95ba843.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601132;1484104205;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3941A608C303FBB0C29FC41B18A838A404C8827B86C83152B740407D84E0C882 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.184.47.30 (ssh-rsa key from 93.184.47.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR) 1601133;1484104205;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/34ED2E75C2B425A4D126D91C68929A3AFB0773EF68D00DAAB964E960A15191AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.216.107.165 (ssh-rsa key from 91.216.107.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR T 16) 1601134;1484104205;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D36A37479FC6233C7BDE6565B4480F0E6F33C9DF59D06612E4462AE9DCAF216 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.139.75.191 (ssh-rsa key from 87.139.75.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p578b4bbf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE NW) 1601135;1484104206;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64C203768393E373A57D449F033383BF7F9AFE7AFACF84EE675834E6C1BB940B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.92.65.215 (ssh-rsa key from 217.92.65.215 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd95c41d7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE BW) 1601136;1484104206;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A4AE959AF7BC6ACC77BA5D6E42FB91F2CCFA3EF5DC11E59D0295C9360E9CC52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.184.46.125 (ssh-rsa key from 93.184.46.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR) 1601137;1484104207;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/93275AC29173040638DD97C91703AA8DBDB6AC5281D42BE866A57CC7057C7B3A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.184.46.137 (ssh-rsa key from 93.184.46.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR) 1601138;1484104207;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0FC9F16D76BC6BC918B8D81BB50258B229E3DAD940FB4F7A53069095C0B836A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.91.100.187 (ssh-rsa key from 217.91.100.187 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd95b64bb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE NI) 1601139;1484104208;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/224E9784A4F1B10C9134C939A9FB643F304306AAA5E5071C9758E2339DFADF74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.91.55.185 (ssh-rsa key from 217.91.55.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd95b37b9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601140;1484104208;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A6A2CCFD91D8E0E08ACB65B515492E5540D8DBC98899B9E4C4982D940A298488 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.184.47.71 (ssh-rsa key from 93.184.47.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR) 1601141;1484104209;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/233AA111786036F5FC0A4D9B780E25E18670BAE5AAB7A1A2EDF1F7BB9E1BB338 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...6273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.147.123.90 (ssh-rsa key from 80.147.123.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p50937b5a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601142;1484104209;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/69FEAC6F8C0D37D8C157E2CC5FFE6405EA5B98363D12C89F5938903373441C91 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1670...9743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.147.180.77 (ssh-rsa key from 75.147.180.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.arborcourt.info. US WA) 1601143;1484104210;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8858EE7CB6022AED42C545A74146BF9C447E5343491434A1A837E77B3C3BA8D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1575...1077 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.199.146.46 (ssh-rsa key from 94.199.146.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown GB) 1601144;1484104210;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C2BECB621B21B90F0FDE1631D5AC2EEE00DD8FA1F3519AFF99C528B9A420F428 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.45.171.147 (ssh-rsa key from 188.45.171.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (188045171147.atmpu0062.highway.a1.net. AT) 1601145;1484104211;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B52B17E114DFC546FB916186FAC33DC5A47CFBCC5EEE221E20CEB3D358FB4A9D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.66.39.131 (ssh-rsa key from 176.66.39.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (176066039131.atmpu0050.highway.a1.net. AT) 1601146;1484104211;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C3224C9D607E504E183EC30AA51FC9C7AC26CCCF82CB90EB7C64351A08636B91 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.10.241.45 (ssh-rsa key from 188.10.241.45 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host45-241-static.10-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601147;1484104212;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9D0044F07C6FCA59D6CD1C5E0CC63DC8A99CA234FAE572A7DB738EF93E4CF0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.150.46.230 (ssh-rsa key from 89.150.46.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT) 1601148;1484104212;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9158F673E9F9468D2E6BBA85BB39ABEDB61C8E70971D7729B384A8983CB6C82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1640...9337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.193.26.134 (ssh-rsa key from 210.193.26.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (134.210-193-26.unknown.qala.com.sg. SG) 1601149;1484104213;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA4B08355ECCBE1C46E142A4B9293B195D3B4A9CE3A95CEF0BCDCFF5C0C27504 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1574...8969 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '150.101.176.70 (ssh-rsa key from 150.101.176.70 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (eth1859.qld.adsl.internode.on.net. AU QLD) 1601150;1484104213;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7D1CC04EC09BBDC238559F7F316AB7838463302CAD0AD4268EE310CE59F77C54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1793...3257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.193.12.224 (ssh-rsa key from 87.193.12.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www1.webcfg.com. DE) 1601151;1484104214;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AEB2B693C0C6153D7B230EE34B41160C02C494BBE81FC7B6A54891B785E239A3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...6067 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.118.106.254 (ssh-rsa key from 87.118.106.254 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns.vrs26998.i4e-server.de. DE) 1601152;1484104218;asciilifeform;www.appgate.com >> 'AppGate provides a new security model for today's perimeterless IT landscape' << lel 1601153;1484104233;mircea_popescu;lmao 1601154;1484104775;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B7BCE25B45196D423E7F407212803610D2F39EE2D7AF84F07DC7940306A28F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1582...6513 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.105.120.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.105.120.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.fvsa.com. AR C) 1601155;1484104776;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6DD9E522C5235A97F7B61FBF20AEB06D53CC4FCA4DF3AE485D63340A81C1CF12 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1608...4737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.170.113.55 (ssh-rsa key from 83.170.113.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (server52054.uk2net.com. GB ENG) 1601156;1484104776;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0AAE1C4A519249D1CA62C4229B991D22BF7CDB0FF91F3FC6AC15B69786100D8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...4457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '59.124.73.202 (ssh-rsa key from 59.124.73.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (59-124-73-202.HINET-IP.hinet.net. TW) 1601157;1484104776;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9608D6C771FA420C0CBBAB802F8B53C94A46E55C37FBFEB78FBE23E6C391939A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...9757 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.77.182.31 (ssh-rsa key from 193.77.182.31 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (BSN-77-182-31.static.siol.net. SI) 1601158;1484104776;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7497609B5F9992DCBC9B56BF0DB7F40C579086FE24260E21D1CBEB788315F2CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1663...0567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.180.173.105 (ssh-rsa key from 66.180.173.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US WI) 1601159;1484104776;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B132968DD490F759A809E3ECBD84553C7E118A76E847E272AD9F70C15FC08D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1639...5297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.8.194 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.8.194 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (xvm-8-194.ghst.net. FR) 1601160;1484104777;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EABD858CA49F43E06B57CA79E302B514C85D993AE4048E69C0DDB4DBEFEC60E3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1674...8013 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '219.113.26.21 (ssh-rsa key from 219.113.26.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown JP) 1601161;1484104777;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45BA2F9FD388D62850F109C2B0E0975847D2513E096BB6D2CB3EF77F26EDBA75 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1692...3549 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '148.61.31.208 (ssh-rsa key from 148.61.31.208 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (merganser.math.gvsu.edu. US MI) 1601162;1484104778;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8CAE0CF78F23F3852E61FB01D930E529867E8D78A5C6D2B36D2D4EEC2779214E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...5909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.147.100.235 (ssh-rsa key from 80.147.100.235 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p509364eb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601163;1484104778;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/432441CDAF9B9FA3AB47C9B4523D9F340D312071F3785CBBEA81DAF71AD4BD3E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...5909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.147.100.234 (ssh-rsa key from 80.147.100.234 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p509364ea.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601164;1484104779;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65B6508CFC065FE940D0F5D4BF6400E1D2A1CF01B069E5E3D15C461EE0A812D8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...5909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.91.84.137 (ssh-rsa key from 217.91.84.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd95b5489.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601165;1484104779;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AB1B368606D92B030C11E819EA8E1A2604ABC6B3917DC6938C1C68EE901159D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...5909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.138.134.135 (ssh-rsa key from 87.138.134.135 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p578a8687.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601166;1484104780;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/09684EF822FAEE95701695501989DAFBE04ED20B437DFE125370DDB295A85710 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...5909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.138.134.136 (ssh-rsa key from 87.138.134.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p578a8688.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601167;1484104780;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D1087DF0A5DDCE21EFF681563472A2C606FF9C9A01D2A656724E20C13F485D6C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1739...0709 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '59.148.184.66 (ssh-rsa key from 59.148.184.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (059148184066.ctinets.com. HK) 1601168;1484104856;asciilifeform;gvsu.edu >> 'Grand Valley State University' 1601169;1484104944;asciilifeform;fvsa.com >> griferia de alta tecnologia!!1 1601170;1484104955;mircea_popescu;griferia = bathroom fittings 1601171;1484104968;asciilifeform;aha 1601172;1484104971;mircea_popescu;o which reminds me : lamparas = lamps. but MAMPARAS = shower curtains 1601173;1484104974;mircea_popescu;because obviously. 1601174;1484104978;mod6;evenin' 1601175;1484104987;asciilifeform;hey mod6 1601176;1484105327;mircea_popescu;how goes 1601177;1484105346;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/605502ADB70925912ECED45B4169DCB9B0DA61D3F35BE854E4B1A9DB33452417 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1662...5217 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.105.111 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.105.111 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sws-musicshop.de. DE BE) 1601178;1484105346;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D12C3ED7C732BD895BEF4E5D92C4903DA44B4AA71EB79922DB5742F7212BE721 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1659...8179 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.159.23.211 (ssh-rsa key from 62.159.23.211 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.multi-print.com. DE) 1601179;1484105346;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B71BDD6A60051FAC35AA6CD2041ED830A51A1BEECD56AB8AFB98AF6F36FC73A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1656...0897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.112.241.74 (ssh-rsa key from 213.112.241.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ua-213-112-241-74.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se. SE O) 1601180;1484105346;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7695D464CA4478B3846B5EA683C4ED5B851EFE390B7C3F622B9CB36C9BB45A6C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1694...8053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.128.100.89 (ssh-rsa key from 87.128.100.89 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p57806459.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601181;1484105346;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A4C19679AE428BFDBBE95C46818D54ADF4E2C59BDF2C8D17907D4F1D1CDB474 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1694...8053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.115.107.146 (ssh-rsa key from 82.115.107.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE RP) 1601182;1484105346;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/38513BCB05B623DF640C0982F5331C896452BF3E7F8069F157D8DA66BC81D6D5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1694...8053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.153.190.39 (ssh-rsa key from 80.153.190.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p5099be27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601183;1484105347;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E06708C3BBF3A8F8297132AF0773D7019FF80C6EBBB848687ACCEC7CE29DF4ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1694...8053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.86.223.127 (ssh-rsa key from 217.86.223.127 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd956df7f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601184;1484105347;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF35B7B027FC606808BB9F4E9CD945E26B94687DB39901834DF0B7219D2926DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1701...5557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '118.144.32.77 (ssh-rsa key from 118.144.32.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 11) 1601185;1484105348;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1FC191237551A2AE794E4B790CC615228D46804FA1D1C91CFF7B707162B7A896 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1595...3667 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.85.228.5 (ssh-rsa key from 202.85.228.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mx.powernethk.com. HK) 1601186;1484105348;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBE0788A94B99B46A2AC2D42BBE157E14FCD5E21FB4C6B42AC319B2A978D89E3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1704...4267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.175.110.170 (ssh-rsa key from 65.175.110.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US MO) 1601187;1484105349;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561D3EB2C5AC60C295E45460734321F24150BA2F0797D1993B2CBFD81A3D70AC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1755...7599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '197.82.198.18 (ssh-rsa key from 197.82.198.18 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (197-82-198-18.dbn.mweb.co.za. ZA GP) 1601188;1484105349;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06F288B8AF55C330405D3D7FE5F3D25EFFA73F0CAA0D240421BA3FCA6B5CC891 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1782...7733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '196.1.63.129 (ssh-rsa key from 196.1.63.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpt-br.pcsnet.co.za. ZA WC) 1601189;1484105350;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/91D408BC803FB5E4B7E7DDCC504917A149C8A5EC9A3227A0E23EBD780E3D688D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1782...7733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '196.1.62.1 (ssh-rsa key from 196.1.62.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cpt-br.pcsnet.co.za. ZA WC) 1601190;1484105350;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D9985B30D9AAB76E7745F5A8E4199ADE47CC67D29671B15398C9B83BF0F023E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...3433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.50.88.11 (ssh-rsa key from 213.50.88.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SE) 1601191;1484105423;mod6;pretty good. 1601192;1484105430;mod6;i see phuctor is slayin' 1601193;1484105519;asciilifeform;mod6: these are all factors that were derivable in O(1) (prime resulting from straight division by existing factor) 1601194;1484105540;asciilifeform;from now on these will happen simultaneously with normal phuctoring. 1601195;1484105611;asciilifeform;(at some point possibly we add a button that lets folx download privkeys for these!) 1601196;1484105691;mod6;yeah, nice 1601197;1484105916;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/678090924806DAD56D7DC5111D33E4B7E22C62E7D43813D17ED89BB06ECD4CDE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1612...2253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.102.73.67 (ssh-rsa key from 198.102.73.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (blacklist.day.org. US) 1601198;1484105916;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A9596A947316B01B3CE306D21FD40C79BB509337CA019E9FA0C3F3B47C42565D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...2483 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.111.164.90 (ssh-rsa key from 65.111.164.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (90-164-111-65.serverpronto.com. US FL) 1601199;1484105916;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/760298FF0A13A2070CBED986883A34E1C3B9A98B92808ACD570BD734A1011D70 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1657...9669 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '162.245.160.90 (ssh-rsa key from 162.245.160.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US IL) 1601200;1484105916;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B86CE795F2C161873F7483262B7209732A948AB7E85633A4EF21E3F45003F62C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...6483 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.27.20.152 (ssh-rsa key from 62.27.20.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (a152.reverse.yawsp.de. DE) 1601201;1484105916;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F61381BCDC1210224E45A6B38A777F1E8EC3D1FAA43B4781F3BA852B66CE68BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1703...3897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.159.226.52 (ssh-rsa key from 62.159.226.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BY) 1601202;1484105916;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FAAFDDED69985F8A3F10AF245A66C20DA44C4897A876C7701AB4404AABA2204 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1599...0243 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.226.173.67 (ssh-rsa key from 109.226.173.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BB) 1601203;1484105917;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A195961F70822A045134682B93D1E5AE1CB1F937A26AB57B546F5CFB81080F7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.159.229.60 (ssh-rsa key from 37.159.229.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-37-159-229-60.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601204;1484105917;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/426F9CBDC3DD23AFAA65110CCBC6F33AC1AB810AB0BC33BDEC0F1D7962E277F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.182.224.100 (ssh-rsa key from 37.182.224.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-37-182-224-100.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601205;1484105918;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A3FBE456F09A2AD8A9D8A2145B6BF806A4CE8F238341E65BC44E328BDB2B371 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '2.32.77.211 (ssh-rsa key from 2.32.77.211 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-2-32-77-211.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT 75 BA) 1601206;1484105918;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B04502A3B87438A8D6ACC60BE3FB766201302723F520FDDBAFF6ABCAE7FC9FC8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.159.230.19 (ssh-rsa key from 37.159.230.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-37-159-230-19.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601207;1484105919;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B02E748BEF5771EA97E7AF9E17640B5D412109B649EB7FC73DF5E01A41B546EB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.145.33.31 (ssh-rsa key from 93.145.33.31 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-93-145-33-31.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601208;1484105919;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FC8BBAF456EAF32E9297047B6C985352ED9ABB243B94DD2932954779E5056176 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.149.111.94 (ssh-rsa key from 93.149.111.94 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-93-149-111-94.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601209;1484105920;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9F6092D04DEA86B622609E6180D0FFF36C98E3D57800717F50FED9AD00969536 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '2.32.120.51 (ssh-rsa key from 2.32.120.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-2-32-120-51.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601210;1484105920;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F12458CF8CBD33C8E781AAE2A5E6E2FDAF6B2B401FBFC3EE9FEFD478A1E08302 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.149.65.124 (ssh-rsa key from 93.149.65.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-93-149-65-124.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601211;1484105921;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0CF515C5DD6F8C161BA4EEB4BF67880E659C314CE6D1636DAEE2051FA06E1DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.219.124.191 (ssh-rsa key from 188.219.124.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-188-219-124-191.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601212;1484105921;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F55298A1C3D09A29454FE7FD12266177C352EB287DB862598E67E0A5862F77C3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1613...6837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '37.159.230.10 (ssh-rsa key from 37.159.230.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-37-159-230-10.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1601213;1484105922;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBE694BB98818664288E6705471A0406C706A99F00EEDD1DC6CF1B34A357E7EC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1739...3043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.6.32.224 (ssh-rsa key from 188.6.32.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (BC0620E0.dsl.pool.telekom.hu. HU SZ) 1601214;1484105922;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3C547879EB8BEF6913685CF454B6838C672E76BF3A08B6AD369EFF88F7A19F18 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1692...0333 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.252.69.242 (ssh-rsa key from 188.252.69.242 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host242-188-252-69.limes.com.pl. PL) 1601215;1484105923;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D24E460FAD2260AD6E8BD541F42175DCD3EA5CF3B1E643CFA785928F7ADF8AF5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1722...1123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '216.86.179.134 (ssh-rsa key from 216.86.179.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (smtp.goldrush.com. US CA) 1601216;1484105981;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in a parking lot, http://68.media.tumblr.com/db7850be993d52a32e2d38aa19a4f01d/tumblr_o1xy6rHHK91u0i0qzo1_1280.jpg 1601217;1484106002;asciilifeform;goldrush.com >> 'First local Internet Service Provider in Tuolumne County Proudly serving the Mother Lode since 1994.' 1601218;1484106177;asciilifeform;http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv021.cgi?read=237068 << unrelatedly. 1601219;1484106198;asciilifeform;'50 years from now we'll probably still have a working PDP-1, but sadly not too many working HP-35 calculators.' 1601220;1484106365;asciilifeform;the one 'republican ic' i would immediately put into production if i had a fab, is the humble antifuse rom ! 1601221;1484106376;asciilifeform;y'know, the one with theoretically infinite life. 1601222;1484106419;mircea_popescu;myeah/ 1601223;1484106437;asciilifeform;they do not seem to be available at any price, from anyone, at all. 1601224;1484106456;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5ADCF25AB7715EE1759FDA98ACDD1FEDF316E5C6089CAB1E335A5FA494161A25 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...8677 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.57.241.20 (ssh-rsa key from 69.57.241.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (surf1.cwdom.dm. DM 04) 1601225;1484106456;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADE8EE15FCF5604507B1E6CD9F7FE0FC2B5E44C5E5557EF0101953CC873EC9D0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...8677 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.57.241.41 (ssh-rsa key from 69.57.241.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pm1.cwdom.dm. DM 04) 1601226;1484106456;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1048A99666F15CD395F338B93836FBFB04D4C9EAD48F5A50ACD56E63CF3D4853 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.38.212.106 (ssh-rsa key from 94.38.212.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (dynamic-adsl-94-38-212-106.clienti.tiscali.it. IT) 1601227;1484106456;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/47CE3D1DEAE4ADCC091516FBC8AAF659FB22799D751A359154DBC9F71A23D6E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.152.105.51 (ssh-rsa key from 188.152.105.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-188-152-105-51.cust.dsl.teletu.it. IT) 1601228;1484106456;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBD5FD501D943964431CCED8F959BA244084B49AF1F798F4FB999E5F92387E52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '151.70.116.20 (ssh-rsa key from 151.70.116.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT NA 72) 1601229;1484106456;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/874FDF225FC1FAB8FDB5C3AB6D491083FE14E5EEEBECC938CDE5532255521374 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.141.11.25 (ssh-rsa key from 46.141.11.25 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-46-141-11-25.rev.wolnext.com. IT) 1601230;1484106457;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E107039B7E446F9CE4CB9CA1604EF0462EB36634EC5D3594B44947A202EFD025 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.19.211.210 (ssh-rsa key from 79.19.211.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host210-211-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601231;1484106457;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F8DDAE73643F895AA6411ABC2EB1AEA46A06B18EED22FFED9C77D3FC9D33F97E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.226.221.89 (ssh-rsa key from 95.226.221.89 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host89-221-static.226-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601232;1484106458;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA2D98934210694552614259A42A1F5B9C1139DA5FFA54808C80A477DD392F3A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.149.154.6 (ssh-rsa key from 88.149.154.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (88-149-154-6.v4.ngi.it. IT 25 CO) 1601233;1484106458;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/94C37F93928FDA364502EDB1DD231DA9AF7A53D65EA612DC3E4F22A1DC6D0922 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.29.125.90 (ssh-rsa key from 87.29.125.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host90-125-static.29-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601234;1484106459;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FC6ADE02E56CC93E9B4F7B0B209BD8925418CC4631B0A3CC80B6427E8143F340 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.117.211.37 (ssh-rsa key from 62.117.211.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (62.117.211.37.dyn.user.ono.com. ES VC V) 1601235;1484106459;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8B92F92D442EAB0B4EDC5BB0C5DF878E87BA5AAD8E7CF5CBF72F82C7BEEA5802 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.225.182.148 (ssh-rsa key from 95.225.182.148 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host148-182-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT 42 SV) 1601236;1484106460;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FDD3DDA7C43A4935C0784FF9A0B0C291583DE910B1378647FF6DD71F38CAD2DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.237.98.127 (ssh-rsa key from 95.237.98.127 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host127-98-dynamic.237-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. IT 25 BS) 1601237;1484106460;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6E8DE201A13F58C298ED1A418629DCEEFF187DC049CED64474B2ACC9E3AB8DFA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.95.217.53 (ssh-rsa key from 94.95.217.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host53-217-static.95-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601238;1484106461;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA79FF98BDC121D00E392C8A21148A2EE4C96121CA5F1AB2244BB9ECF0B47FDA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.149.150.182 (ssh-rsa key from 88.149.150.182 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (88-149-150-182.v4.ngi.it. IT 21 NO) 1601239;1484106461;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/09F03B1EC7458ECA2A387EA6FD96F4BCEFA32D8C4426520E504069FEFB5A57D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.7.91.77 (ssh-rsa key from 79.7.91.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host77-91-static.7-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601240;1484106462;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/09133BBD4A346BE8A512B9620842A8F4F2C9887F4CFA49D5A9A54CD7FFBBBC98 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.85.167.67 (ssh-rsa key from 94.85.167.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host67-167-static.85-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601241;1484106462;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9320EDEC55C20427852CFF61628BB9CFD4F708711C7BEF3428C8CB99B0C82491 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.237.246.184 (ssh-rsa key from 95.237.246.184 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host184-246-dynamic.237-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. IT VE 34) 1601242;1484106463;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D8F92817A5B76A4769782666C9D27C44827F653A89CB623621B4C55B7E2FE63 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.147.114.177 (ssh-rsa key from 88.147.114.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (88-147-114-177.v4.ngi.it. BE) 1601243;1484106463;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/99D675AED3D964B120571803E029CF0425AC80CD22B1DA02AB3DC7AC4347C2E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.25.239.27 (ssh-rsa key from 79.25.239.27 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host27-239-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. IT PD 34) 1601244;1484106464;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67292F9B4E5202A528710EB964E9DE8072D79EA211065FA83B8414E214207E8F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...2249 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.53.124.2 (ssh-rsa key from 79.53.124.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host2-124-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601245;1484106936;asciilifeform;https://siliconpr0n.org/map/nat_semi/dmpal16r/mz_mit20x << antifuse. 1601246;1484106959;asciilifeform;(in graphical wwwtron: zoom with mouse wheel) 1601247;1484107026;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/55056F83207A439D3C26F2609C8311BFD97DB18A019882B21384C50F363CF09F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...9789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.10.152.182 (ssh-rsa key from 177.10.152.182 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR RJ) 1601248;1484107026;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C9634D23F9FF2371D3E5E8DF1D57CB1FB9CD74DAC36DF7307D931F5599CCED4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1661...9349 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.70.4.181 (ssh-rsa key from 109.70.4.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (109-70-4-181.fxw.nl. NL) 1601249;1484107026;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/98E51DFC454403ABC8758C49A7F91BA871864C26A3C32949B389595842D58633 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1718...2433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '171.96.201.13 (ssh-rsa key from 171.96.201.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ppp-171-96-201-13.revip8.asianet.co.th. TH) 1601250;1484107026;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B61DE077CA576574EA1207D6CCF135C8E4622FEC03B93D53A1EAC206A4F87AD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1735...3309 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.109.243.18 (ssh-rsa key from 193.109.243.18 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (dns.stueberl.de. DE) 1601251;1484107026;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B6C9D90EA645B4C81A51531194DB4398A14135CD17CD4C49A0363440E679EBA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1754...5973 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '138.4.39.5 (ssh-rsa key from 138.4.39.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (tahiti.gtic.ssr.upm.es. ES MD M) 1601252;1484107026;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/097E7FF1C0E423A406B8164AC7B281884342E419F8F3F931D9E67E7A1742B5C3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1773...0113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.111.188.219 (ssh-rsa key from 89.111.188.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (c1100.colo.hc.ru. RU) 1601253;1484107027;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/99BA9510E7790ACFACBC7653366FE9CEDEC886EDB9958FCE544894CDE27EE208 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1631...8859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.54.73.58 (ssh-rsa key from 177.54.73.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (177-54-73-58.static.artelecomunicacoes.com.br. BR) 1601254;1484107027;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/27588973083D139F5B72D00AC746D227748723B2855D9784A534D2F0A9051AD3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1756...0299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.96.25.94 (ssh-rsa key from 213.96.25.94 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (94.red-213-96-25.staticip.rima-tde.net. ES GI CT) 1601255;1484107028;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF7EF571D217C796311C42ADB86B35F37B461A6DD23BB102CAF5A3A492C2A7A8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1756...0299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.26.250.220 (ssh-rsa key from 88.26.250.220 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (220.red-88-26-250.staticip.rima-tde.net. ES MD M) 1601256;1484107028;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/149BB0A326A881049D0A7D65A950C68DD7413BE75BE07261666A8B8C7DC65EFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1714...9443 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '23.30.226.193 (ssh-rsa key from 23.30.226.193 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (23-30-226-193-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US MN) 1601257;1484107029;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/37E55F78CD09C294726B2003B506E437A3B9724BC315401BE45EF25A410D9C68 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1619...8553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.29.44.237 (ssh-rsa key from 195.29.44.237 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown HR) 1601258;1484107142;asciilifeform;(correction: that was a ~fuse~ rom, not anti...) 1601259;1484107536;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AB5B599899234932089F7C778A7274892DD3366D27E60986DA1E2E6FB86C136 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1743...6179 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.69.47.159 (ssh-rsa key from 200.69.47.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.jaquemate.sion.com. AR E) 1601260;1484107536;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C4DD67FC9EF3F02C546F6370083482DEF57056DE36BE52EEB4795E37F9FA9154 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1738...6403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.177.92.50 (ssh-rsa key from 213.177.92.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (213-177-92-50.cybernet.be. BE) 1601261;1484107536;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF41E686C6C9C7A200F8A59B55B57B4C228C1453ED9735FA7D5649554315E0B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1793...0683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.103.135.182 (ssh-rsa key from 211.103.135.182 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sender.csdn.net. CN 11) 1601262;1484107536;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/155E2B7730B99409829465CA92B606C243EACC5308BB78784FAF017F7AA0B081 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1693...1307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.72.184.84 (ssh-rsa key from 212.72.184.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (serv2.compono-net.de. DE) 1601263;1484107536;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/19733E44F1B7545C36FA0956C25D2F4E0AD62959E2702A2998E28347A0CD3FA9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1717...3023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '61.234.91.134 (ssh-rsa key from 61.234.91.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 11) 1601264;1484107537;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7B4449DC89CBB7F72664355AE16724BBDB447648BD7F3E3094738A6FD1FD66C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1755...0659 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.139.88.5 (ssh-rsa key from 87.139.88.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p578b5805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE NW) 1601265;1484107537;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4EFD25572526B1E67A7369155E0284670218A8FF1A46096BF387E43B35F4E851 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1755...0659 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.147.190.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.147.190.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p5093be2a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601266;1484107538;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8795E878B1383EF0E73FA7A8060D22E701E83A068BD9CB7515BC25AF9D5257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1755...0659 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.91.80.6 (ssh-rsa key from 217.91.80.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd95b5006.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1601267;1484107538;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C26897ECB8CEA506999FA8B5E864DC60970EA46D23651EF2ED9FA2F248A2850 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1755...0659 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.139.88.52 (ssh-rsa key from 87.139.88.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (p578b5834.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE NW) 1601268;1484107539;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/798B7E4DBA441BFCC086EFC06F0A3CD4E7288A652CF3F799BF93AAA33F073D90 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1781...5239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.43.36.118 (ssh-rsa key from 208.43.36.118 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (208.43.36.118-static.reverse.arandomserver.com. US TX) 1601269;1484107539;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62B41EFC56E2DD32F1036A6374CC52A3BB2A8F112EEC6556474C4942ED5CA075 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1781...5239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.43.36.117 (ssh-rsa key from 208.43.36.117 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (208.43.36.117-static.reverse.arandomserver.com. US TX) 1601270;1484107540;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB88D979E4DE37544AAE721E4A689E7BB3CD94548688F2C6D06260A90CAE737D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1657...3983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.185.168.254 (ssh-rsa key from 66.185.168.254 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (66-185-168-254.sd.nextlevelinternet.com. US CA) 1601271;1484107540;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C26B1F5BE386BBD7EB722032DB921BE811247FE85BAC80FF85843707BE5C14F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1657...3983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.185.168.253 (ssh-rsa key from 66.185.168.253 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (66-185-168-253.sd.nextlevelinternet.com. US CA) 1601272;1484107541;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2CE91E7EF397DAB25023970B4696AF033D40CC97B96C726C0906EF60F9FD77B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1763...9769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.31.74.70 (ssh-rsa key from 89.31.74.70 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (softwarespecialist.it. IT) 1601273;1484107541;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B10F470B27847FDD92F48D76C4D9A79D29E03C224FC36430A19E7937AD0DCF31 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1785...3469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.253.145.150 (ssh-rsa key from 87.253.145.150 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (87-253-145-150.colo.transip.net. NL) 1601274;1484107629;asciilifeform;softwarespecialist.it >> lel 1601275;1484108106;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DB7885A072E0D824FE3DE488D9CDB9A8A7627B88F018C14CBA9F3DA9AC8B4859 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1671...5559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.221.63.16 (ssh-rsa key from 209.221.63.16 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (void-jr.ianyplace.net. US GA) 1601276;1484108106;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6790B324EC322787AE8F411E08FE181C501BEE86089ADB0A83339D51E21DA2B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...7519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.20.173.3 (ssh-rsa key from 163.20.173.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (php.fhjh.ntpc.edu.tw. TW) 1601277;1484108106;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E441FDD51F6BDA29E6C874F5825DA9D66A9F0804EA64BF8D420C24E528DFF551 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...3853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.122.123.92 (ssh-rsa key from 65.122.123.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (65-122-123-92.dia.static.qwest.net. US WA) 1601278;1484108107;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A28D210A7FEB836B01A33B4EA69D82541C363A15D74095852DE00558EF985B72 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1769...3359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.177.41 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.177.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE) 1601279;1484108107;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B860D9153444AD1EC776FEB4493EC5732646A5F8F065287AFCEBF5121040023F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...0209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.25.215.20 (ssh-rsa key from 217.25.215.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host20.net215.omkc.ru. RU OMS) 1601280;1484108107;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D67148AD27D4DD23120614643BBA30722407B462D41EB14D5C751A6D433676B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...6009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '108.19.79.100 (ssh-rsa key from 108.19.79.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1601281;1484108108;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67601CE1ED301FB6FF155A69EA864C4E0216E43D3390F233197002A30E0DBFE1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1796...4157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.214.109.121 (ssh-rsa key from 81.214.109.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (81.214.109.121.dynamic.ttnet.com.tr. TR 35) 1601282;1484108108;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF37C96AF523CEE51DF69037D79020237885660B8082559786D5B72477EC1E95 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1796...4157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.0.133.64 (ssh-rsa key from 95.0.133.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (95.0.133.64.dynamic.ttnet.com.tr. TR) 1601283;1484108109;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6EE2D514424C138EC086E5840C712BFEA64874871CDB7D082605E69F709710B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1695...9053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.193.153.122 (ssh-rsa key from 66.193.153.122 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US HI) 1601284;1484108109;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9A94D9524C17A726E909ED782ACFF6E7240F725765F53395C898ADFFD5615673 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...0057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '108.32.33.19 (ssh-rsa key from 108.32.33.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static-108-32-33-19.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net. US PA) 1601285;1484108110;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2BD3EE4F0A73217D2F02EDB9F26B2375698D2659BD3BD6A4DCCF49848141AD33 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...0057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '108.32.33.18 (ssh-rsa key from 108.32.33.18 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static-108-32-33-18.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net. US PA) 1601286;1484108110;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7F924B05F09F58329EAD65C8BB8CE61153C5F633C6290FF252FD80D39FE8214 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1781...0589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.94.51.53 (ssh-rsa key from 87.94.51.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (87-94-51-53.bb.dnainternet.fi. FI) 1601287;1484108707;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D8D9E6ACEC9C69FB3FCCB7E346146F4A919363FC806EEA76B1DA104E896D8B64 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1652...7893 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.42.1.73 (ssh-rsa key from 212.42.1.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns1.stripe21.net.uk. GB HRT ENG) 1601288;1484108707;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/54192E76AC6988FE7803667BD05672C504CE3E654F837FEF0CDEBC0FEF9F29A1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...9629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.50.117.80 (ssh-rsa key from 200.50.117.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (200-50-117-80.static.tie.cl. CL RM) 1601289;1484108707;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2E42405024F84070A0D774445DAE4C553A05472FAEC57EA2B91103CC49AD5776 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...9629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.50.117.123 (ssh-rsa key from 200.50.117.123 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (200-50-117-123.static.tie.cl. CL RM) 1601290;1484108707;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B1AF4E1B6BE3A118BE517BC8D843C35C238AAD69FA9219B3B5FB8660990D9D52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...9629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.111.227.117 (ssh-rsa key from 200.111.227.117 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CL RM) 1601291;1484108707;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21FDAD8A93F1828C376A6CA417A48B07DFFD5EFFE16DC831825E949E2AE83CF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1763...4949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '143.50.159.249 (ssh-rsa key from 143.50.159.249 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ZOOL159249.UNI-GRAZ.AT. AT 6) 1601292;1484108707;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/56D56D14AB5ED377D1CBEE0B27EB0D059473CA4C46DF9D4847CD06E024EE3967 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1716...3739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.71.195.193 (ssh-rsa key from 80.71.195.193 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (getweb01.epte.fi. FI) 1601293;1484108708;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BBF4FB9543D8B2BCE79D11F4749F9741EF57268536E086F38A26E1009E1CF465 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1773...9137 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.119.156.243 (ssh-rsa key from 85.119.156.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (s7.flagbit.com. DE NW) 1601294;1484108708;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4D45BEBB306DF2770425291165F581BEADC37AA4B75126C298F406D14BD8B74A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1725...1877 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '90.183.115.9 (ssh-rsa key from 90.183.115.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (edoceo.ecic.cz. CZ) 1601295;1484108709;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEE93B5898DEC03260DD1C686ADF4D6468DCB6D202CD844E9DF01FABC5331895 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1716...7883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.91.234.11 (ssh-rsa key from 177.91.234.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (amazonas.riosolimoes.org.br. BR) 1601296;1484108709;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/16C558E0A547871C86ACB5F47556848D55F70B003E34978C334874D90A86F712 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1659...6999 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.80.216.39 (ssh-rsa key from 88.80.216.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (free4mail.ibone.ch. DE NW) 1601297;1484108710;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AAA75BD8365855ACD530BE6BB9733984C114244461C14704A1DBD8F976586E15 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1661...9009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.160.66.230 (ssh-rsa key from 41.160.66.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZA) 1601298;1484108710;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D371B16B1783FF0C39C55D61A7E7A417872F970E7FE042DB6B1802AFF7DD3216 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1715...4683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '170.210.205.97 (ssh-rsa key from 170.210.205.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown AR C) 1601299;1484108711;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D5E12E883C21F36C11864B40C0A2E4DC8497B1418EFDB7E1BDA40066CE1DFA6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1715...4683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '170.210.200.15 (ssh-rsa key from 170.210.200.15 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown AR C) 1601300;1484109247;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D10E560147E972D9B1A9BB547EDB1AEBA3D63C895D6840D5A28C6B43D61327B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1769...4559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.145.144.134 (ssh-rsa key from 212.145.144.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sostre.salasserveis.com. ES) 1601301;1484109247;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21B739F7C403862A6D8DF2C430D8D14AB05D69CE518C011CCF56E3849B7FE059 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1754...4417 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.46.99.10 (ssh-rsa key from 88.46.99.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host10-99-static.46-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT) 1601302;1484109247;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/84A76D6B18B359CF1A7795334FB0E584E8F3AE31A54DE2A00808CF818719F956 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...6513 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.139.190.87 (ssh-rsa key from 177.139.190.87 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (177-139-190-87.dsl.telesp.net.br. BR SP) 1601303;1484109247;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B4A789ACE8CC810E26EBFDCA36C2BF55A5723A0407F7C86E21490C44B9C5A0A3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...6513 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.54.195.207 (ssh-rsa key from 189.54.195.207 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR SP) 1601304;1484109247;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/84886052F6F153A65B3F00379B1A8A856F03F6F20CD4D5498EBDE4E56C8F0A86 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...6513 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.3.142.40 (ssh-rsa key from 187.3.142.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR) 1601305;1484109247;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01FF35E52C44535D14EFD1B7C3D3E106CBADDA58C7D29BE78F2B4859DE007D6C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1691...5979 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.173.194.0 (ssh-rsa key from 80.173.194.0 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (80.173.194.0.dyn.user.ono.com. ES) 1601306;1484109248;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/04241AA1CB3A7D54599DF787D276651AD4A96531F3372360B21971E9279EBFC4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1695...9293 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.151.243.160 (ssh-rsa key from 88.151.243.160 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (radium.openminds.be. BE) 1601307;1484109248;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64474EB35015ADCD0450D384D80FE7E15D739A3260FDFE406B823D7D67AD9FDE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...8737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '206.123.89.201 (ssh-rsa key from 206.123.89.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (bocacentral.com. US PA) 1601308;1484109249;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5D9E1FD60613D225CBE347D0CD94C172D524517837B06D51F18C2F79775A391E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1750...5887 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.231.42.22 (ssh-rsa key from 147.231.42.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (d590je2.biomed.cas.cz. CZ) 1601309;1484109249;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE428167F73189D83EF20C09443DB186FFE3A7B1E83895F4D398B7B66668FDED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1750...0589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '149.71.129.88 (ssh-rsa key from 149.71.129.88 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (149-71-129-88.v4.ngi.it. IT) 1601310;1484109250;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA4BD8B74F8998EB8F30FF2AF6220CC4737690B0DE5A4F7A108E809F5B2306BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1720...4743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.188.112.98 (ssh-rsa key from 93.188.112.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-98-c112.conmet.it. IT) 1601311;1484109250;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD85237A77B812C36AB8470D1E588DABAB59761C6B96CEF0D2A324ABD7B817D1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1744...3149 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.245.194.10 (ssh-rsa key from 195.245.194.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown LV) 1601312;1484109251;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/50074286CD82454BEDDBB90BBE69030C71D859AD521F555F5940764BAD4A171D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1744...3149 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.41 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (113x35x199x41.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13) 1601313;1484109275;mircea_popescu;113x35x199x41. << lmao 1601314;1484109727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73E9FE30AADD28CBC14783FEA15CD121EE20378C48669243DA7690ECB526CC6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1770...6709 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.222.146.102 (ssh-rsa key from 92.222.146.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown FR 75 J) 1601315;1484109727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45AA803B1DF73DB31FB54106E558FEB5A751392E0D049E05C5A45D17F56EC506 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...1857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.39.9.32 (ssh-rsa key from 212.39.9.32 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown IT) 1601316;1484109727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D1F0E2E0FB2D5CD6C3E4C8F9C6F8B7DC794455D10DD0FC9C5E6E9092FFE761EE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1717...4739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.79.86 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.79.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (4134.ovz-ssd9.hc.ru. RU) 1601317;1484109727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B418893DAD32840B2E255CC350BF18C61AA6A8740188AFFF835680F9EDF8D3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...9967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.136.71.3 (ssh-rsa key from 78.136.71.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ES) 1601318;1484109727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E7DEB5A6968D6BB71E5841A11CB1F623DF59918C75FC7433FCF7AD4C27A9907C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1769...4723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.159.18.190 (ssh-rsa key from 202.159.18.190 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ID JK) 1601319;1484109727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07322691E639F16403D8B1E15D6F1DD780BAF4094CC3B036BB383699609F5175 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1759...1447 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.214 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.214 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (113x35x199x214.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13) 1601320;1484109728;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/70C39DB9CB196B6F5AEC13A8F42759BFD6DB9FA59A3F07804E0BE6E1996C4003 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1759...1447 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '113.35.199.74 (ssh-rsa key from 113.35.199.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (113x35x199x74.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp. JP 13) 1601321;1484109728;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11BBA2D9CC87A30CB7B689112D36346DFDE132BFCDF14126E7CF3DE55A3A001F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1716...6213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.200.149 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.200.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (dhcp.sos.dst.usb.ve. VE A) 1601322;1484109729;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BB8DEE9709DECB2E969017476FEC7BE0990636B48F7DC3A4204E477D04B36BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1716...6213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.149.57.167 (ssh-rsa key from 217.149.57.167 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sierra-167.srv.hosting.fi. FI) 1601323;1484109729;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4F5D4E4A022141905342361E91C0A40DCCD216ABE793B5A4090A180A2569639D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1727...8597 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.225.104.151 (ssh-rsa key from 195.225.104.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (v1391.vanager.de. DE NW) 1601324;1484109730;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E37FBFF59CABBEB221E6332865E8513D50EBAE1352A75C56A92794A0B50770ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1782...3259 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '122.155.3.27 (ssh-rsa key from 122.155.3.27 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown TH) 1601325;1484109730;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADAE394D07E8D05CBAD06F577C47E9CEEE3FC2FF4487A60CC6B0A04F10F9D754 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1700...4093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '59.53.64.3 (ssh-rsa key from 59.53.64.3 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 36) 1601326;1484109731;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1ACCA3AD58BFB1A45DA1F6D366E82C244B4AC6B12398CA5EA3A73D7F0FA646F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1700...4093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '124.207.103.144 (ssh-rsa key from 124.207.103.144 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 11) 1601327;1484109893;mircea_popescu;and in other jewish nose news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/35c47a7e80401d795c752c254c4863d5/tumblr_o251tmIdZf1sr1f5fo1_1280.jpg 1601328;1484109919;BingoBoingo;Oh my schnoz! 1601329;1484109947;mircea_popescu;good nooz predicts good peniz! 1601330;1484110095;mircea_popescu;moduli broken 1217. 1601331;1484110127;mircea_popescu;up 500% since may. 1601332;1484110164;mircea_popescu;!~calc 7400147/1588603 1601333;1484110165;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 7400147/1588603 = 4.658273338272684 1601334;1484110171;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1217/228 1601335;1484110172;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1217/228 = 5.337719298245614 1601336;1484110181;mircea_popescu;rate of phuctoring increasing over time! 1601337;1484110206;mircea_popescu;actually "submissions" is not the right metric here 1601338;1484110221;mircea_popescu;!~calc 5269776/2151840 1601339;1484110222;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 5269776/2151840 = 2.4489627481597145 1601340;1484110251;mircea_popescu;about 2.45x as many moduli ; abound 5.38x as many broken ones compared to may 17th 2016 1601341;1484110267;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A3549905FF329BFC03042D8AA531B4D0752569C86313A580FE58E62397B8FB4C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...5323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.165.205.17 (ssh-rsa key from 193.165.205.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CZ) 1601342;1484110267;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A34BB13D739B1C5E69F8E271D9CA315DD84C4570FF6782F57123D2A8F83C707C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...5323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.165.252.13 (ssh-rsa key from 193.165.252.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CZ) 1601343;1484110267;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA2CD167BF09030541D93A27041C64941A6AC6A99BEF67A8F879B399658BCDAF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1715...2429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.56.146.18 (ssh-rsa key from 195.56.146.18 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns2.ksystem.hu. HU) 1601344;1484110267;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4A9584921F0E2821DC58F8252ABEF3043EFD8B422748083F0C0DFC9FAB495F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1714...0277 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.140.44.184 (ssh-rsa key from 83.140.44.184 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SE) 1601345;1484110267;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0456045885241DCE7904B864BCD8E31BC152C9E8D547CB2541834EEEE45984EA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1792...7277 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.101.134.225 (ssh-rsa key from 75.101.134.225 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ec2-75-101-134-225.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA) 1601346;1484110267;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3EB8F1A141C3D2BC8A8A5AFBE8E296A871AE757B4F652C000F52C629B2EEEFDF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1761...0213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '110.139.71.124 (ssh-rsa key from 110.139.71.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (124.subnet110-139-71.speedy.telkom.net.id. ID) 1601347;1484110268;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1727...9457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.226.172.170 (ssh-rsa key from 109.226.172.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BB) 1601348;1484110268;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C040E99F60AE8FC1E763BC8B8D33DC01E753FB561BA9D9E34DA99C36F862780D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1789...9079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.118.99.56 (ssh-rsa key from 87.118.99.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns2.km22419-03.keymachine.de. DE) 1601349;1484110269;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F61096A0AB7490E19DF4BDCE502A2284E275036A7A4AFB0E1501C361B73AEDEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1789...9079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.173.135.171 (ssh-rsa key from 209.173.135.171 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (171.135.173.209.customers.safeschools.com. US OH) 1601350;1484110269;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B2D851DC447BF3D99B9E331BE157E12D92E861D040473CB4E72091D96BF72856 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...0687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.133.212.10 (ssh-rsa key from 62.133.212.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown NL) 1601351;1484110270;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/734B7CF9C3D0FF2C63E72A8F7FBD0DE94612C223DD9930742EA767124CB1D8AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...0687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.43.110.134 (ssh-rsa key from 92.43.110.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (v5.vhost1.publicompserver.de. DE) 1601352;1484110270;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A80B27B11C4AD754B4CA30259F6A21B7D70E1EC6FC4411D409681820ADBCA1C7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...0687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.118.118.233 (ssh-rsa key from 87.118.118.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns.km31838.harlequinz.org. DE) 1601353;1484110271;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21E9CDCC1C639F3395B3DEEE5DCCDA90019B8C6FEF7BE2B93DFBFE0878AD7B60 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1733...3259 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.188.112.69 (ssh-rsa key from 93.188.112.69 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-69-c112.conmet.it. IT) 1601354;1484110271;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1914321BD3EA5D52896F0441FB2A66BF449037F0ABDE839639E52D5BBA508515 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...7569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '178.248.243.132 (ssh-rsa key from 178.248.243.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BY) 1601355;1484110442;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ok this http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2016-12-29 list of blocks like that is pretty fucking great. 1601356;1484110479;mircea_popescu;hola candi_lustt ! 1601357;1484110489;mircea_popescu;!!up candi_lustt 1601358;1484110489;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes. 1601359;1484110489;candi_lustt;# 1601360;1484110511;ben_vulpes;what did you boys /do/ 1601361;1484110523;mircea_popescu;her lust is a little loose. 1601362;1484110525;phf;hmm 1601363;1484110536;ben_vulpes;standby 1601364;1484110536;phf;is it still the old definition? 1601365;1484110546;ben_vulpes;fireworks will continue in #chainstate 1601366;1484110547;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes btw will it be able to voice ? 1601367;1484110552;mircea_popescu;kk 1601368;1484110576;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: surely you don't mean have its own key? 1601369;1484110586;ben_vulpes;phf: aye, that function's still hanging around 1601370;1484110604;ben_vulpes;freenode kicked the thing for flood, didn't change anything about image state 1601371;1484110610;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes im more like contemplating the nonsense situation i unwittingly created. 1601372;1484110648;mircea_popescu;but the solution of course would be, i'll register a key for it and have it speak the !!v string. 1601373;1484110837;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A884F230768329AD945408D87431EADEEDE8302334631C7A6CA420D2F7246AD8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1779...9817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.240.254.106 (ssh-rsa key from 62.240.254.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (du-62-240-240-106.adsl.claranet.fr. FR) 1601374;1484110837;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D264FE4A782D4358DEF7B86FC38DBBCC646039107A994AF2628720CF54B5A80C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1771...8883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.93.122.49 (ssh-rsa key from 84.93.122.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown GB) 1601375;1484110837;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/193E16D2DE51B3EE6B133296E9C9BFF4FAEB029386F5BEEDECA6376866108675 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1771...8883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.31.85.95 (ssh-rsa key from 46.31.85.95 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown GB STH ENG) 1601376;1484110837;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E531E8927F0A64F12CD3E2B9E2DDC68704C3293B0650BCDB71F135523E5BDDEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1789...9027 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.118.142 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.118.142 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (framelesselektro.de. DE BE) 1601377;1484110837;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/829C6063772E9125836758B5652D8121DB56C9FBEC39DEA0FFD1955895ED56D8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1784...7143 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.157.92.133 (ssh-rsa key from 213.157.92.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (gamma-133.nebula.fi. FI) 1601378;1484110837;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB2F4128153540B679E23DFF4953A3DB7D0B49CBC4FF35776604064CE0F116F7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...7557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.193.90.152 (ssh-rsa key from 50.193.90.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (50-193-90-152-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US IL) 1601379;1484110838;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A75580C0D454275974E63C612A2EF7FC8C4DEC6E3A378E465454B87226B88D95 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...7147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '168.243.98.206 (ssh-rsa key from 168.243.98.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SV) 1601380;1484110838;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DE58A212BABA9959E954F85AD50106C7821A22BAE9C12D4785C9B7240689C116 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1774...9913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.228.107.30 (ssh-rsa key from 83.228.107.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (gate1.gordonclub-bg.info. BG) 1601381;1484110839;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D077DA0025B568E5EDA0CC22D83E17A3407C2712825FDAE50573DF71760D6AFA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1753...8423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.80.198.201 (ssh-rsa key from 88.80.198.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (w18.wcs1.de. DE NW) 1601382;1484110839;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BED5D53C915886269C6A4BA530CB0B2B6B6B22248AB579D74293C0CBD76DA3C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.35.215 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.35.215 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (LStLambert-657-1-58-215.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR) 1601383;1484110840;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68A9E039B55A61E5AA148D645234CCA5BDD042FBFA9AA317AC562E959D6E6F01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.35.168 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.35.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (LStLambert-657-1-58-168.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR) 1601384;1484110840;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE372444407C620DD344B602791873CCD84F14D12A832CC86D81A6003FFEBA54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1792...7663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.122.234 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.122.234 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown NO) 1601385;1484111377;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/878B97A91FA5E05957E79B41A01FE1CDBAC9532B924013ECCE1BFD9374EC21F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...7879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.102.194.34 (ssh-rsa key from 147.102.194.34 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (het24.physics.ntua.gr. GR I) 1601386;1484111377;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE96C19FCC7E93EE8B55E995DB6719C0B5303BB84836F937370A63B1A5A53140 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1770...9919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.136.33.155 (ssh-rsa key from 213.136.33.155 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (www.arkitekt.se. SE W) 1601387;1484111377;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5300D2F787F2F0F1BD88E125C905644D535208A148F9AC9496145507A2EAEC27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1788...4769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.99.1.11 (ssh-rsa key from 79.99.1.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (79-99-1-11-static.glesys.net. SE) 1601388;1484111377;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E03105A3454B0B84A81ADFD77A73AB2EF5F47F8CE4EB5EF5F9A12562F9F9A945 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1788...4769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.99.1.35 (ssh-rsa key from 79.99.1.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (79-99-1-35.serverhotell.net. SE) 1601389;1484111377;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE8800E4954E2EBC4D95F323CB4F6AF0ABE3A59E83B29449E4E1462222EB28DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...9793 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '171.101.165.4 (ssh-rsa key from 171.101.165.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (cm-171-101-165-4.revip11.asianet.co.th. TH) 1601390;1484111900;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "she's just a friend, honey" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5392ecbc77698966bcdb0f4744218983/tumblr_o1yfuvZZxI1rwxb4zo1_1280.jpg 1601391;1484113200;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you could even write that yourself 1601392;1484113209;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you gotta see the molestation ongoing in #chainstate 1601393;1484113275;mircea_popescu;aha. 1601394;1484114063;davout;currently catching up on logs, i r entertained 1601395;1484114111;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1600796 <<< lol, win 1601396;1484114111;a111;Logged on 2017-01-11 00:36 BingoBoingo: Mauritius is 22nd most popular Qntra visitor country 1601397;1484114127;ben_vulpes;i had nfi what joy could be had watching people play with a toy you made out of two tin cans and a string 1601398;1484114135;ben_vulpes;perhaps that is why bitstamp perserveres 1601399;1484114169;ben_vulpes;perseveres 1601400;1484114512;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1601401;1484115295;davout;ben_vulpes: such wizardry in #chainstate 1601402;1484115476;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: musta been one of those new-fangled volvos/ford/hondas/mercs that stops for you. lucky you. a family friend's grandson wasn't so lucky when he was backed over and killed by... his own grandfather. couple years ago now. 1601403;1484115508;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i think ima keep it as is. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Holmes&defid=6348806 1601404;1484115534;pete_dushenski;it was always holmes in my head, and always spoken by that bald sanchez from the ff series. 1601405;1484115589;pete_dushenski;gotta love that ccn rabblerouser eh 1601406;1484115696;pete_dushenski;speaking of better than average ai, looks like some boys from the u of a cracked heads-up no-limit texas https://arxiv.org/pdf/1701.01724v2.pdf 1601407;1484115751;pete_dushenski;'deepstack' be his name, poker be his game. smashed a couple dozen pros over 44k hands. some recognisable pro names even. 1601408;1484115855;pete_dushenski;runs on a single nvidia geforce gtx 1080 too 1601409;1484118827;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: urban dictionary? wigga central? 1601410;1484118863;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601355 << ty, i like it as well 1601411;1484118863;a111;Logged on 2017-01-11 04:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok this http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2016-12-29 list of blocks like that is pretty fucking great. 1601412;1484120036;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: ud is legit fo realz 1601413;1484120065;ben_vulpes;sayeth the white jew from canada 1601414;1484120641;pete_dushenski;your race card doesn't play here, sorry 1601415;1484120809;*;pete_dushenski to catch zeds 1601416;1484120893;ben_vulpes;shit it's like nearly three your time 1601417;1484121049;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#749 << i'm going to have to start laying down timestamps in my logthing to highlight this shit but ftr: 07:42:12, 07:43:34, 07:43:38 1601418;1484129719;davout;mitm-as-a-service was gag order'd since 2013. such surprise. https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-transparency-report-for-second-half-2016-and-an-additional-disclosure-for-2013-2/ 1601419;1484137409;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600064 << pretty cool. did you read it in french? is it full of musings about god (he did get a bit.. hallucinatory-mystical towards end of life, right?) 1601420;1484137409;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 02:39 phf: i once read grothendieck's récoltes et semailles, which is a kind of an autobiography 1601421;1484137421;Framedragger;he wrote this after having departed from the math community already, right 1601422;1484137478;Framedragger;(ah, yes he did0 1601423;1484142580;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski yeah was late model honda 1601424;1484143538;mircea_popescu;!!up asdfhasdjklf 1601425;1484143538;deedbot;asdfhasdjklf voiced for 30 minutes. 1601426;1484143590;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes jews are white nao ?! or is this joek because canada is so far up north even the coal's white there. not to mention the pines. 1601427;1484144082;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ftr, poker needs no such thing as "ai". poker is a deterministic game if you wish, can program machine to play extremely tight, will beat most humans. 1601428;1484144126;mircea_popescu;the reason playing loose works in poker is the same reason you can keep a camp dormful of teenage girls awake until 6am by hiding a tape with giggles on it that plays every 5 to 10 minutes 1601429;1484144162;mircea_popescu;the robot pubescent puella doesn't suffer from the problem, sleeps well through the night. 1601430;1484144162;asdfhasdjklf;HU Limit Poker has already been solved 1601431;1484144176;mircea_popescu;aand who might you be asdfhasdjklf ? 1601432;1484144191;asdfhasdjklf;don't have PGP, so not a person 1601433;1484144196;mircea_popescu;i c. 1601434;1484144205;mircea_popescu;apt nick then/ 1601435;1484144225;asdfhasdjklf;big fan, though <3 1601436;1484144237;mircea_popescu;lol ok. so make a key then. 1601437;1484144427;mircea_popescu;davout because that totally works, not talking about things makes them go away. 1601438;1484144634;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-505057.jpeg ; dat disjunction error sounds pretty serious. 1601439;1484145089;asciilifeform;589 'q' factors, notbad. 1601440;1484145147;mircea_popescu;ye 1601441;1484146153;mircea_popescu;sooo, i feel like translating ; anyone has a trilema piece they've been wanting in english ? 1601442;1484146339;Framedragger;anything related in topic/matter to http://trilema.com/2014/peri-metaphyseos-in-english-this-time/ ? (i don't have anything particular in mind, just a vague suggestion-of-direction) 1601443;1484146428;Framedragger;also, i wonder what you'd make of paraconsistent logic and if you'd like to write an article on it at some future point 1601444;1484146432;Framedragger;!#s paraconsistent 1601445;1484146433;a111;4 results for "paraconsistent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=paraconsistent 1601446;1484146633;mircea_popescu;pretty sure i did that entire series. 1601447;1484146682;Framedragger;ahh. i need to read more. will check later... 1601448;1484146919;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601428 << poker 'solving' ai per se is ~uninteresting. the genuinely nifty thing would be a 'realistic humanlike' (e.g., 'loose') player. 1601449;1484146919;a111;Logged on 2017-01-11 14:15 mircea_popescu: the reason playing loose works in poker is the same reason you can keep a camp dormful of teenage girls awake until 6am by hiding a tape with giggles on it that plays every 5 to 10 minutes 1601450;1484146944;asciilifeform;in particular in re the traditional bot/bot-detector arms race. 1601451;1484147005;asciilifeform;see also the alphago thread (it was difficult to mistake the thing for a meat player) 1601452;1484147076;asciilifeform;humanlike bot will not go straight to 'solution' on any obvious hill-climbing path, but will artfully dig itself holes to then artfully climb out of, like meat does. 1601453;1484147619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, quite. 1601454;1484148195;asciilifeform;the other obviously spiffy direction is the man-machine pair. a la auto racing. 1601455;1484148593;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://drizzybot.com/doxes/ 1601456;1484150479;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: were http://trilema.com/2010/femeia-nesuferita/ or http://trilema.com/2011/voi-ce-ati-facut-in-viata-asta-ba/ ever translated ? 1601457;1484150626;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1600846 << not hard; I'll keep that in mind when rewriting the component that does it 1601458;1484150626;a111;Logged on 2017-01-11 00:48 mircea_popescu: trinque how easy would it be to make the !!up for noobs 30 minutes or 60 lines, whichever comes first ? 1601459;1484150770;mircea_popescu;cool. 1601460;1484150792;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski in the end, i wrote a continuation to hanbot 's thing. 1601461;1484150839;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform's puny brain was not up to the task of making sense of hanbot's story. 1601462;1484150951;mircea_popescu;anyway the historical http://trilema.com/2010/femeia-nesuferita/ should prolly be read in tandem with http://trilema.com/2012/oameni-de-a-caror-nefericire-ma-bucur/ 1601463;1484150982;mircea_popescu;very nice two-year-apart binome of a) girl wanna-be woman in the ustardian vein ; b) girl recounting (retardedly) the failure of the attempt. 1601464;1484151049;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the same old news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d128a7c747389ae7523933a12322b694/tumblr_nymeikQRtK1uj49axo1_1280.jpg 1601465;1484151768;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/counterfictive-validation/ << Trilema - Counterfictive validation 1601466;1484151808;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.chipworks.com/about-chipworks/overview/blog/scanning-microwave-impedance-microscopy-smim << this looks quite buildable, using same mechanical rigging as the classic 'STM in your kitchen' recipe 1601467;1484151949;Framedragger;film recommendation by free association ("The Cineplex Entertaining Cinecenter for Couples")! -> The Lobster (2016) 1601468;1484151972;Framedragger;(or 2015, depending on how one counts, apparently) 1601469;1484151996;Framedragger;"singles are given 45 days to find a romantic partner or otherwise be turned into animals." 1601470;1484152027;asciilifeform;ic reversers sweat over cauldrons of hot acids, fiddle with ion beams, etc. but: one thing i've always wondered re subj is whether anybody's tried... microtome! then you dun care how many layers there are, and of what. just blast away the edge, and scan THAT! a few 100 atoms at a time. 1601471;1484152046;asciilifeform;literally turn the problem on its side. 1601472;1484152550;mircea_popescu;Framedragger either you recommended that or someone else did. i tried to watch the thing, kicked it out within ~10 minutes. 1601473;1484152562;Framedragger;hrm. 1601474;1484152580;Framedragger;mkay 1601475;1484152584;mircea_popescu;and WHY does everythiong look&feel exactly like black mirror these days! wtf, they went from reality-tv to the same sort of twilight zone docudrama. 1601476;1484152614;mircea_popescu;watching tv people do "creative" things is like watching laundromat attendants cook. 1601477;1484152623;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly, everything has detergent in it. 1601478;1484152655;Framedragger;the wannabe-dystopia colour aesthetic *is* boring, yeah... 1601479;1484152686;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it's not even (just) about the screenplay. the actors, ALL OF THEM, without any exception, can't act. can't talk. can't even fucking block. they look like they came off eggs. 1601480;1484152689;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mega-story btw 1601481;1484152694;Framedragger;(iirc i had suggested elena (2011) but iirc it's of a similar colour palette hmh) 1601482;1484152697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's good physics why you can't have a reliable microtome. 1601483;1484152709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: laser in vacuum is pretty good microtome. 1601484;1484152714;asciilifeform;for solids at any rate. 1601485;1484152736;asciilifeform;you want controlled ablation, not slices, here. 1601486;1484152756;mircea_popescu;ah like a polisher. mebbe. it will necessarily move some of the unerlying though. 1601487;1484152806;asciilifeform;do it from the ~edge~ side of the chip. and this way surface/vol. ratio favours cooling also. 1601488;1484152834;mircea_popescu;even so, i'd be surprised if you get with less than 0.1% cutting induced blind spots 1601489;1484152854;mircea_popescu;ie, areas where you can't now know what once lay. 1601490;1484152857;asciilifeform;well that's why you do a cratefull, not 1 die. 1601491;1484152863;mircea_popescu;this yes. 1601492;1484152864;asciilifeform;like normal people. 1601493;1484152918;mircea_popescu;do laser in supercooled xenon or some shit. anyway 1601494;1484152954;mircea_popescu;afaik laser welding/cutting already happens under argon commercially. 1601495;1484152975;asciilifeform;noooo you don't do this under gas. you do it under hard vacuum. so it sublimates. 1601496;1484152986;mircea_popescu;you do it under gas so it cools 1601497;1484153011;asciilifeform;it cools by conduction, through the die, down into the anvil. 1601498;1484153027;mircea_popescu;may take you hours per chip 1601499;1484153059;asciilifeform;weeks. 1601500;1484153062;mircea_popescu;which means you'll end up with a complicated pile of cutters servicing one photoghrapher. 1601501;1484153178;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nza71/?raw=true << geometry, if it wasn't wholly clear 1601502;1484153189;asciilifeform;(not to scale..) 1601503;1484153203;mircea_popescu;yes it was clear lol 1601504;1484153215;asciilifeform;lolk 1601505;1484153353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait so you liked the story of mark's anal woes ? 1601506;1484153405;asciilifeform;aha! 1601507;1484153408;mircea_popescu;does this mean in spite of mah best effort it's entirely divorced from the other one ? 1601508;1484153441;asciilifeform;quite possibly. other one requires coprocessor that i didn't come from the factory with, i suspect, to appreciate properly 1601509;1484153488;mircea_popescu;hm. 1601510;1484153510;mircea_popescu;in any case should be interesting once the v model takes hold for novel-writing, and no novel is anything but what it was meant to be : a tree. 1601511;1484153536;asciilifeform;also can't resist asking -- wai there is no diddletron in the 'pink' seat. 1601512;1484153540;mircea_popescu;the "authorship" bullshit / englithment fiction really went as far as it could go. in fact, a lot further than it should have ever went. 1601513;1484153564;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno ; i suspect poys die with their hymen intact in that universe 1601514;1484153580;mircea_popescu;and schoolchildren believe "female genital mutilation" === defloration. 1601515;1484153633;mircea_popescu;(yes, it's boys and poys, because boy comes from blue not the fucking other way around, what terrorism is this.) 1601516;1484153731;mircea_popescu;i'm also vaguely curious which 2nd rate herp is going to, in a decade or two, "innovatively" write down "his" ideas about the new novel and the future of authorship. 1601517;1484155799;thestringpuller;!~ticker 1601518;1484155801;jhvh1;thestringpuller: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 772.11, Best ask: 773.78, Bid-ask spread: 1.67000, Last trade: 773.79, 24 hour volume: 53763.05431689, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 923.66, 24 hour vwap: None 1601519;1484155842;thestringpuller;haven't seen this kinda volatility in awhile 1601520;1484156228;asciilifeform;in other 'news', 'DESIGN WITH PURPOSE, CREATE WITH PASSION There’s a reason why Altium Designer has a new license activated every hour, every day.' 1601521;1484156232;asciilifeform;^ actual vendor www 1601522;1484156235;asciilifeform;i shit thee not. 1601523;1484156276;asciilifeform;'parody horizon' left behind somewhere far, far away, long ago... 1601524;1484156430;adlai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/128GK4N.txt 1601525;1484156431;jhvh1;adlai: The operation succeeded. 1601526;1484156671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: briefly revisiting the ablative microtome thing: betcha you could read the cross-section via purely electrical means. (there are four substances: n-doped si, p-doped si, isolator si, and metal. these are readily distinguishable without resorting to fancy optics, electron beam, or anything of the kind, just need sliding probe) 1601527;1484156830;jurov;or by liguriochemical sensing (i.e. licking) 1601528;1484156871;asciilifeform;jurov: now ~that~ would take geological time! 1601529;1484157769;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/first-mining-difficulty-adjustment-of-2017-brings-6-05-rise-for-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - First Mining Difficulty Adjustment of 2017 Brings ~6.05% Rise For Another All Time High 1601530;1484159570;phf;asciilifeform: do you happen to have a pruned config for linux kernel on x60? 1601531;1484159931;asciilifeform;i might 1601532;1484159935;asciilifeform;will take a few min to get it out. 1601533;1484160037;phf;thank you 1601534;1484160319;asciilifeform;phf: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/4_1_15_stas.txt 1601535;1484160329;asciilifeform;ecf2a8af1e2db46109fde477b42cecf04969f037eda128c842ec33e8149c668206b7a41e5835b448c8bbbc75ca1211dea7176b6ca8b4facbe2f97130be7e1ed6 1601536;1484160369;asciilifeform;fwiw my 'gentoo curative recipe' (posted last yr) is from same box. 1601537;1484160381;phf;excellent, thank you very much. that just saved me a day's worth of upfront poking 1601538;1484160385;asciilifeform;np. 1601539;1484160410;asciilifeform;also there is a script for getting the weirdo buttons on that machine to work, but it isn't original to me, and can be found elsewhere. 1601540;1484160520;asciilifeform;aaaaalso iirc you gotta rip out the intel wifi nic and (optionally) put in a normal-people (e.g., atheros) one 1601541;1484160543;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaalso in order to do this you will need the patched bios. 1601542;1484160547;asciilifeform;(did i post this ??) 1601543;1484160596;phf;а в остальном прекрасная маркиза всё хорошо всё хорошо 1601544;1484160642;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/x60_diddled.bin 1601545;1484160649;asciilifeform;c47fd69679ba3e45a009a1cdd8e0093d289af50b902e6ff01fbae8cdd1207425ec4a056c0eaafb53368f0fe416379cc669bdc73cacd0349c811523f4be9c1533 1601546;1484160675;phf;ooh a patched on.. i take it you hand patched it, rather than compile from some leaked source? 1601547;1484160676;asciilifeform;ABSOLUTELY no guarantee, it is conceivable that your x60 differs somehow, undocumentedly, from my x60, and will detonate. 1601548;1484160684;asciilifeform;hand patched, in ida. 1601549;1484160691;asciilifeform;well, unpacked first, patched, repacked. 1601550;1484160710;phf;what's the packing format? 1601551;1484160717;asciilifeform;sha512(factorybios) == 41b9eed800968adbfad5c54a295f85b267257acc7d6154089b1bf42f786717a2e08084587cc4a240eb64a2c9c47563129edf6dc6d59db5d1f4e509271511247d on this one. 1601552;1484160729;asciilifeform;phf: phoenix's proprietary zlib thing. 1601553;1484160823;asciilifeform;originally i bought that box to try the rms thing. 1601554;1484160828;asciilifeform;it was a disaster, as documented here. 1601555;1484160843;asciilifeform;so to salvage it, i did the above. 1601556;1484160860;phf;i feel like you talked about the patch before, what does it do? 1601557;1484160875;asciilifeform;nops out the pci vendorid check on post. 1601558;1484160887;asciilifeform;this was one of those tard bioses that bans 3rdparty peripherals. 1601559;1484160922;phf;oh that's crafty. so you just plop atheros in the same slot as where intel wifi sits? it looked pretty "standard" the way it was sitting there 1601560;1484160927;asciilifeform;correct 1601561;1484160937;asciilifeform;standard. 1601562;1484160967;asciilifeform;https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB16LIuIVXXXXXqXFXXq6xXFXXXW/Wireless-PCI-E-Atheros-AR5BXB6-AR5424-Wireless-Wifi-Mini-PCIe-wlan-card-for-IBM-T60-T60p.jpg << them 1601563;1484161036;asciilifeform;if you get a half-size card, you oughta also get the aluminum extender clip. (about $1) 1601564;1484161039;asciilifeform;so it'll stay put. 1601565;1484161048;asciilifeform;(alternatively, '3m' doublesides stickeytape!) 1601566;1484161160;asciilifeform;btw this bios contains the infamous 'computrace' rootkit. the cure for which is 1) don't switch it on 2) don't run winblowz 1601567;1484161179;asciilifeform;(it is winblowz-only, was then, and afaik to this day even remains.) 1601568;1484161215;asciilifeform;afaik all lenovo machines ship with it in. 1601569;1484161230;trinque;the claim made is that you can "switch it off permanently" iirc 1601570;1484161233;trinque;I don't buy it 1601571;1484161253;asciilifeform;trinque: it is fairly ham-handed, patches NTLDR 1601572;1484161276;phf;that passed by me, and it looks insane :o 1601573;1484161287;asciilifeform;and probably quite unnecessary in more recent iron, which has the intel fritzchip 1601574;1484161292;phf;"The system works by periodically reporting back to a central authority. In the event of theft, the central authority can instruct the resident agent to wipe all information as a security measure, or to track the whereabouts of the system, to help recover the stolen items via subsequent law enforcement activities" 1601575;1484161323;asciilifeform;phf: believe or not, asciilifeform sat on a jury once where 100% of the evidence was the computrace nonsense 1601576;1484161330;asciilifeform;the vendor even flew in a flunkie 1601577;1484161354;asciilifeform;somewhere in the l0gz, i told this tale. 1601578;1484161466;asciilifeform;phf: i'm not a raving fan of the x60 -- can barely stand looking at the tft lcd. 1601579;1484161475;asciilifeform;but i also can't recommend a better, all else equal, lappy. 1601580;1484161481;asciilifeform;they're all rubbish. 1601581;1484161520;asciilifeform;(going to tft from ips is a little like shitting in a hole you dug yourself, after lifetime of indoor plumbing) 1601582;1484161558;phf;yeah, i'm just building a typing laptop. probably going to take it to india with me instead of main machine. can't really afford getting it stolen, and don't want to bother with proper compartmentalization 1601583;1484161588;asciilifeform;then x60 is the ticket. the last, afaik, lappy where linux worked ~100%. 1601584;1484161594;asciilifeform;incl. power chip. 1601585;1484161619;phf;2 hours of battery is a bit sad, but i'm not planning on "working from a coffee shop" either 1601586;1484161632;asciilifeform;ask mircea_popescu where he gets stinkpad batteries. 1601587;1484161644;asciilifeform;iirc he had a place. 1601588;1484161688;asciilifeform;btw if you're going off on a voyage, afaik you can just as easily stick a gsm card in that slot 1601589;1484161692;asciilifeform;(in place of wlan) 1601590;1484161696;phf;!! 1601591;1484161706;asciilifeform;or in the pcmcia hole, etc 1601592;1484161726;asciilifeform;hey it ain't a hygienic box regardless of what you do or do not put in the holes. 1601593;1484161843;asciilifeform;incidentally if this were me, i'd make a voyage-only wot key, rate it +1, then at the end, when getting back to home, sign statement 'my voyage key was uneventfully used N times and then incinerated' or 'pygmies stole my voyage key K and signed audacious forgeries F1, F2...' depending on how it went. 1601594;1484161867;asciilifeform;(the latter signed -- with actual lordly key, obviously) 1601595;1484162010;davout;plox to recommend lisp dead trees for beginner 1601596;1484162088;asciilifeform;davout: steele's cltl2 as encyclopaedia. seibel's 'practical commonlisp'. graham (yes) 'ansi common lisp', circa 1994. keene's CLOS. 'common lisp recipes', weitz. 1601597;1484162115;davout;danke schön 1601598;1484162164;asciilifeform;1 more thing 1601599;1484162167;asciilifeform;not dead tree but, 1601600;1484162175;asciilifeform;get CLHS and keep it on local disk, bookmarked. 1601601;1484162186;phf;typically people recommend http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and it's a sort of "rails for beginners" kind of book, but i think best cl option is http://www.norvig.com/paip.html. norvig's paradigms of artificial intelligence programming. it's not so much about "ai", but about some very useful symbolic algorithms, written in ~very elegant~ lisp code 1601602;1484162190;asciilifeform;you can really live with ~just~ clhs. 1601603;1484162201;asciilifeform;paip is quite spiffy. 1601604;1484162222;asciilifeform;(and yes, ~that~ norvig. he used to be 3111117) 1601605;1484162273;asciilifeform;http://clhs.lisp.se 1601606;1484162275;phf;it opens with enough of common lisp to be useful, and then goes into actual programming problems. i think it's one of the best programming books in general. 1601607;1484162294;asciilifeform;^ 1601608;1484162379;davout;asciilifeform phf thanks! i'll look into it, gonna start with clhs until i get back to a country where amazon delivers 1601609;1484164016;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#699 << logger fixd, preserves whitespace to better display phf's glorious hackery 1601610;1484164671;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/pdx-snowpocalypse-2017 << CH - PDX Snowpocalypse 2017 1601611;1484165037;ben_vulpes;http://www.bikesdirect.com/ << i preemptively dub this best ecomm landing page experience of 2017 1601612;1484165479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601593 << alf is very precisely right ; and my girls use very similar scheme whenever out on missions. 1601613;1484165479;a111;Logged on 2017-01-11 19:10 asciilifeform: incidentally if this were me, i'd make a voyage-only wot key, rate it +1, then at the end, when getting back to home, sign statement 'my voyage key was uneventfully used N times and then incinerated' or 'pygmies stole my voyage key K and signed audacious forgeries F1, F2...' depending on how it went. 1601614;1484165561;mircea_popescu;(a properly functioning woman is only distinct from a fighter-bomber in that she eats better smelling fuel. everything else -- same, fired from own hangar or boat, virtually undetectable en route, leaves behind trail of devastation etc.) 1601615;1484165717;mircea_popescu;nice ben_vulpes ! 1601616;1484165752;mircea_popescu;ahahaha check it out, trilema selling bikes! 1601617;1484171513;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/best-ecommerce-landing-page-of-2017 << CH - Best ecommerce landing page of 2017 1601618;1484176059;BingoBoingo;http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262727/racist-trees-our-national-parks-daniel-greenfield 1601619;1484176228;asciilifeform;this has ~gotta~ be a spoof... 1601620;1484176319;mircea_popescu;either very advanced spoof or very advanced real mccoy. 1601621;1484176628;BingoBoingo;Real news 1601622;1484176808;asciilifeform;!!up indiancandy 1601623;1484176808;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1601624;1484176870;indiancandy;hey 1601625;1484176872;indiancandy;ahaha 1601626;1484176892;indiancandy;mp i wanna investin btc now 1601627;1484177079;mircea_popescu;o hey check who's back! 1601628;1484177089;mircea_popescu;didja strike it rich meanwhile ? 1601629;1484177199;indiancandy;no 1601630;1484177201;indiancandy;sadlyy 1601631;1484177204;indiancandy;i kno u did 1601632;1484177209;indiancandy;btc is off the roof atm 1601633;1484177217;mircea_popescu;well so then. investing is for rich folk. 1601634;1484177221;mircea_popescu;problem solved! 1601635;1484177223;indiancandy;ahaha 1601636;1484177230;indiancandy;well 1601637;1484177250;indiancandy;how do u prevent losing ur stock 1601638;1484177252;indiancandy;when it crashes 1601639;1484177309;mircea_popescu;you don't buy it on credit in the first place, i guess. 1601640;1484177457;indiancandy;my friend 1601641;1484177459;indiancandy;lost half 1601642;1484177462;indiancandy;a month ago 1601643;1484177467;indiancandy;due to a site crashing 1601644;1484177479;indiancandy;but really 1601645;1484177487;indiancandy;so im thinkin of buyin a few hundred pounds 1601646;1484177490;indiancandy;and sit on it 1601647;1484177593;mircea_popescu;can't hurt anything. 1601648;1484177605;mircea_popescu;there's a bunch of camho sites that will pay you in bitcoin too i think 1601649;1484177758;indiancandy;i heard 1601650;1484177765;indiancandy;whats the link 1601651;1484177768;indiancandy;of the sites 1601652;1484177770;indiancandy;or name 1601653;1484177821;mircea_popescu;i can't remember, but just ask your favorite 1601654;1484177825;mircea_popescu;prolly can work something out 1601655;1484177827;indiancandy;my fave 1601656;1484177829;indiancandy;ur my fave 1601657;1484177830;indiancandy;ahah 1601658;1484177832;indiancandy;i asked u 1601659;1484177896;mircea_popescu;lol i meant, your fave site. 1601660;1484177904;indiancandy;oh they do dollars 1601661;1484177910;indiancandy;mfc is my fave 1601662;1484177913;indiancandy;or current home 1601663;1484178005;mircea_popescu;ah. well, bitch at them i guess. 1601664;1484178078;indiancandy;thes guys 1601665;1484178080;indiancandy;r so dum 1601666;1484178085;indiancandy;they no nothin about btc 1601667;1484178087;indiancandy;all they do al day 1601668;1484178089;indiancandy;is wank 1601669;1484178093;indiancandy;different type of humans 1601670;1484178095;indiancandy;retarded 1601671;1484178114;mircea_popescu;i don't mean the punters, i mean the site administration. 1601672;1484178240;indiancandy;oh the dude 1601673;1484178244;indiancandy;is some shrude russian 1601674;1484178248;indiancandy;his worser than u mp 1601675;1484178252;indiancandy;lol 1601676;1484178267;indiancandy;leonardo radvinsky 1601677;1484178281;asciilifeform;wtf is a shrude?! 1601678;1484178340;indiancandy;mmm 1601679;1484178365;indiancandy;peircing cold 1601680;1484178629;danielpbarron;!!up indiancandy 1601681;1484178630;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1601682;1484178638;indiancandy;thanks danny 1601683;1484178642;indiancandy;whose got snapchat 1601684;1484178646;danielpbarron;<3 1601685;1484178647;jurov;indiancandy: https://localbitcoins.com/ad/389150/purchase-bitcoin-transferwise-india i am selling some 1601686;1484178677;danielpbarron;do you take USD jurov ? 1601687;1484178689;jurov;transferwise does the conversion 1601688;1484178713;danielpbarron;cool 1601689;1484179016;indiancandy;jurov 1601690;1484179018;indiancandy;im in the uk 1601691;1484179020;indiancandy;im jus indian 1601692;1484179024;indiancandy;well half 1601693;1484179120;jurov;UK is fine 1601694;1484179186;indiancandy;im learnin btc 1601695;1484179189;indiancandy;i kno nothin about it 1601696;1484179204;indiancandy;need a teacher 1601697;1484179252;jurov;maybe someone will teach you to use therealbitcoin in exchange for cam sessions or such 1601698;1484179266;danielpbarron;you should get into Eulora. that's a great easy way to hold btc 1601699;1484179269;jurov;i would if you were a boy model :) 1601700;1484179284;jurov;haha eulora, too 1601701;1484179292;mircea_popescu;i suppose eulora can be used that way huh. 1601702;1484179520;indiancandy;jurov 1601703;1484179527;indiancandy;u likeguys 1601704;1484179532;indiancandy;i can hook u up 1601705;1484179535;jurov;yep 1601706;1484179540;indiancandy;u a guy 1601707;1484179544;jurov;yep 1601708;1484179550;indiancandy;i kno a blonde 1601709;1484179555;indiancandy;youn cam guy 1601710;1484179562;mircea_popescu;every girl expands until she can pimp guys to guys and read mail. 1601711;1484179580;jurov;lel 1601712;1484179614;mircea_popescu;indiancandy do you eat steak ? 1601713;1484179619;indiancandy;nobeef 1601714;1484179620;indiancandy;sorry 1601715;1484179672;jurov;indiancandy: but really, if you want buy bitcoins for UK pounds, we can do it. and holding some bitcoin equivalent on eulora account is easy 1601716;1484179695;indiancandy;i ont even kno what eulora is 1601717;1484179713;indiancandy;mp y ask about steak 1601718;1484179719;indiancandy;wanna take me 4 steak 1601719;1484179730;jurov;eulora is online game with real currency 1601720;1484179732;danielpbarron;indiancandy, http://minigame.bz/ 1601721;1484179762;mircea_popescu;sure, if you eat steak I CAN HOOK YOU UP! 1601722;1484179774;mircea_popescu;there's this place i go for 1kg primo beef. 1601723;1484179799;indiancandy;where in argentina 1601724;1484179866;mircea_popescu;lavalle 980 or some shit. 1601725;1484179891;mircea_popescu;davout knows, he poured a wine bottle on my head there for some reason. 1601726;1484179902;indiancandy;on ur head 1601727;1484179906;indiancandy;what did u do 1601728;1484179912;mircea_popescu;i was just sitting there! 1601729;1484179921;indiancandy;i mean when he did that 1601730;1484179927;danielpbarron;indiancandy, eulora is a program you can run on windows and effectively use as a bitcoin wallet, without having to mess around with the block chain directly 1601731;1484179943;mircea_popescu;i dunno, coupla years ago, i've not mentioned it since so he prolly imagined it's all forgotten!!1 1601732;1484180038;ben_vulpes;waiwut i don't remember this wine event 1601733;1484180041;ben_vulpes;i remember all wine events 1601734;1484180096;indiancandy;shit 1601735;1484180106;mircea_popescu;you were there, mthreat was too 1601736;1484180108;indiancandy;was u drunk 1601737;1484180143;mircea_popescu;nah. 1601738;1484180175;asciilifeform;this must've happened at a parallel-c3 1601739;1484180186;mircea_popescu;dude... 1601740;1484180424;indiancandy;well 1601741;1484180434;indiancandy;iguess u gotta forgiv him 1601742;1484180437;indiancandy;maybe he was drunk 1601743;1484180553;jurov;!!up indiancandy 1601744;1484180553;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1601745;1484180582;indiancandy;how do i join web of trust 1601746;1484180593;indiancandy;againil finally do it 1601747;1484180620;jurov;!!manual 1601748;1484180653;jurov;where the manuls are 1601749;1484180693;jurov;first install GPGprogram, then http://deedbot.org/help.html 1601750;1484181114;indiancandy;!!gettrust 1601751;1484181114;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1601752;1484181122;indiancandy;broomstick? 1601753;1484181124;indiancandy;hahaha# 1601754;1484181219;asciilifeform;in other lulz, asciilifeform searched for nitrogen cryoseparator ~once~ , ~year ago, and now sees google ads for it every single fucking day 1601755;1484181247;indiancandy;there watching u 1601756;1484181299;asciilifeform;it is a lol, picture if you searched 'boeing 737' one time, and then every ad you see after that is for buying one 1601757;1484181393;mircea_popescu;hey, it supports 5% of gpd growth from imaginary 7bn to imaginary 7.35bn 1601758;1484181398;mircea_popescu;or w/e the random numbers are these days 1601759;1484181524;asciilifeform;hey if boeing can count an instance of asciilifeform-shown-737-ad as $737price*$p-of-him-buying, and they also get to imagine that the latter is a positive number, >0, then gdp can be trillion!!!1 1601760;1484181531;asciilifeform;zillion. 1601761;1484181569;mircea_popescu;coming soon to a govt accounting office near you. 1601762;1484181609;asciilifeform;hey, riaa pioneered, and probably patented this marvelous Business Method!! 1601763;1484181973;indiancandy;mp u stil in arg 1601764;1484182456;mircea_popescu;yea. 1601765;1484186680;asciilifeform;in quite unrelated lulz, http://www.sunrise-ev.com/z80.htm 1601766;1484188043;asciilifeform;in even deeper lulz, http://retropcdesign.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6 1601767;1484188110;asciilifeform;^ punch-tape reader, made of modern components! 1601768;1484191114;mircea_popescu;until a few years ago i still had stacks of those 1601769;1484192138;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> waiwut i don't remember this wine event << great steaks at this place. Mr. P. had to leave and change his suit. 1601770;1484192178;mod6;Got to talk with chetty a good long while this evening too. 1601771;1484192948;asciilifeform;ooooooh -- that! 1601772;1484192969;mod6;aha 1601773;1484193019;mod6;This was also the first time we discussed your ideas around mem fragmentation. 1601774;1484193062;mod6;Or at least, iirc we talked about it for a bit. 1601775;1484193167;BingoBoingo;From other Petrus reports http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528236/Male-Norwegian-politician-raped-asylum-seeker-says-feels-GUILTY-attacker-deported-man-suffer-Somalia.html 1601776;1484193268;asciilifeform;aha! 1601777;1484193304;asciilifeform;and mike_c was skeptical, had other hypothesis, i wish i could recall ~what~ 1601778;1484193428;mod6;Ah, right. Yeah, I forget what his thought was there. 1601779;1484193650;asciilifeform;iirc it was not fully formed. but he didn't like mine, because it was 'gut hunch', which was quite fair 1601780;1484193716;asciilifeform;i miss mike_c , he was a solid d00d. 1601781;1484193747;mod6;yeah, same. maybe he'll be back when he has a bit more time. 1601782;1484193788;asciilifeform;iirc he barfed during the schism? so who knows. 1601783;1484193887;mod6;ah. maybe so. 1601784;1484193939;*;BingoBoingo hopes we never lose asciilifeform to child rearing 1601785;1484194030;asciilifeform;if i vanish it is safe to suppose that i was killed. 1601786;1484194853;davout;mircea_popescu: i didn't "pour a bottle on your head", i accidentally'd a wine ~glass~, at least that's what i remember! 1601787;1484195010;mod6;yeah, your hand got away from you and knocked over a glass, which promptly went into Mr. P.'s lap. 1601788;1484195035;mod6;shit happens. 1601789;1484195070;davout;not like i got on my chair, and slowly poured the whole contents of the wine bottle on mircea_popescu's head while everyone was watching in horror :D 1601790;1484195157;BingoBoingo;That you remember... 1601791;1484195863;mircea_popescu;lol ok ok 1601792;1484199223;davout;https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2017-01-12/?msg=79232562&page=1 <<< lulz 1601793;1484205182;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/trump-to-cnn-spammer-you-are-fake-news/ << Qntra - Trump To CNN Spammer: "You Are Fake News" 1601794;1484211374;ben_vulpes;per asciilifeform's request, mimisbrunnr now reports time between blocks: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-12#355 1601795;1484215324;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU) 1601796;1484215324;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3870...6143 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU) 1601797;1484215645;davout;asciilifeform: does the CLHS exist as a single-page HTML doc ? 1601798;1484215685;davout;it's annoying to have to click back and forth, i'd like to be able to simply scroll through it, like a normal person 1601799;1484215690;davout;also phf ^ 1601800;1484215954;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A60D82C28B7736C6632209997E898A87E90F7170CB30C011040797B6CD54528C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1521...7407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.193.77.53 (ssh-rsa key from 103.193.77.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' () 1601801;1484215954;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A60D82C28B7736C6632209997E898A87E90F7170CB30C011040797B6CD54528C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1395...7777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.193.77.53 (ssh-rsa key from 103.193.77.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' () 1601802;1484215954;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F70AEA883A2E9061549FCFD51F3C94CDBB73816DBB1AB8CB985E1F8FC9476B8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1395...7777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.56.235.202 (ssh-rsa key from 103.56.235.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' () 1601803;1484215954;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F70AEA883A2E9061549FCFD51F3C94CDBB73816DBB1AB8CB985E1F8FC9476B8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1747...6033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.56.235.202 (ssh-rsa key from 103.56.235.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' () 1601804;1484217065;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E17BC3E38DABD1C91A27D226FC57B2ACFEB88E913F4D218985717FDD514FB934 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.16.255.60 (ssh-rsa key from 123.16.255.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static.vnpt.vn. VN 64) 1601805;1484217065;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU) 1601806;1484217065;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E17BC3E38DABD1C91A27D226FC57B2ACFEB88E913F4D218985717FDD514FB934 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3075...7897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.16.255.60 (ssh-rsa key from 123.16.255.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (static.vnpt.vn. VN 64) 1601807;1484221709;Framedragger;lulzy: https://sergiobossi.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/bitcoin-most-serene-republic.html 1601808;1484222788;davout;Framedragger: nice find 1601809;1484224232;mircea_popescu;in other evil rabbit front news, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB4NQwGW0AAlEsw.jpg 1601810;1484224453;Framedragger;hahaha little albert experiment meets david lynch 1601811;1484224481;mircea_popescu;>D 1601812;1484224720;mircea_popescu;Framedragger lol there you do deanonimizing trilema readership :D 1601813;1484226682;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601798 << the usual thing is to create an editor keybinding that launches the hyperspec page at cursor, something like hyperspec.el or helm-dash 1601814;1484226682;a111;Logged on 2017-01-12 10:08 davout: it's annoying to have to click back and forth, i'd like to be able to simply scroll through it, like a normal person 1601815;1484226758;*;trinque has a left-alt (which is rebound to hyper) + d binding that pops up docs for w/e language 1601816;1484226830;davout;trinque: no, i just want to read the thing, not necessarily in the context of needing info about some particular bit 1601817;1484227060;trinque;ah k 1601818;1484227318;davout;after reading #chainstate my conclusion is that mircea_popescu would enjoy ruby very much! 1601819;1484227330;trinque;o lawd 1601820;1484227370;mircea_popescu;lol and whyssat davout ? 1601821;1484227399;davout;string manipulation just seemed very painful 1601822;1484227427;mircea_popescu;well, a large part of the problem is that strings aren't something. 1601823;1484227439;mircea_popescu;ie, the veterans' objections couldn't be dismissed. 1601824;1484227467;davout;yeah, of course 1601825;1484227480;mircea_popescu;on which basis i enjoy ruby a lot less. 1601826;1484227531;davout;the point is simply that it bundles a good bit of convenience 1601827;1484227550;davout;which may or may not be a good thing depending on the particular point of view 1601828;1484227592;davout;either way, the repl looks pretty nifty 1601829;1484227673;mircea_popescu;the objection is that it bundles incorrect convenience, which is NEVER a good thing. link here to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599790 1601830;1484227673;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 15:10 mircea_popescu: this is how a mother acts, and why kids have not much business with her past the age of about 10 or so, depending how retarded they are. 1601831;1484227727;davout;what distinguishes correct from incorrect convenience ? 1601832;1484227730;mircea_popescu;anyway, i quite enjoyed flailing for definitions once i realised what the problem was (you can tell i move to arrays at some point in a desperate bid etc) 1601833;1484227764;mircea_popescu;davout something (convenience, anything else) is correct if it scales, which is to say is derived from the prime mover. anything else - incorrect. 1601834;1484227794;mircea_popescu;sinful is also a proper attribute of incorrectness, because it is literally a headless spawn of the very devil. 1601835;1484227823;davout;not sure i really get what you mean by "it scales" 1601836;1484227844;davout;if you bundle lots of shit, it quickly becomes unmanageable 1601837;1484227869;davout;because all abstractions and conveniences have a cost 1601838;1484227939;mircea_popescu;not so. i can go from everything i do in an infinite string of correct whys to prime logic. broken shit can't do that. 1601839;1484228087;davout;what's "prime mover" in this context? 1601840;1484228099;mircea_popescu;possibly your idea of "scales" is tainted by the idiots, "to scale means to be used by a larger cattle headcount". that has nothing to do. to scale means to go up the abstraction tree. an apple is a correct apple if it scales, ie, if the concept of apple follows from it. 1601841;1484228117;mircea_popescu;literally the aristotelian imperative. the first thing to have moved. 1601842;1484228578;davout;it's still not very clear to me how the ability to manipulate string a bit more easily is equivalent to heresy 1601843;1484228630;davout;would the same functionality, included in cl's standard be deemed heretic? 1601844;1484228801;mircea_popescu;"it's not clear to me how the ability to manipulate something you can'd define is equivalent to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583902 " 1601845;1484228801;a111;Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False 1601846;1484228829;mircea_popescu;all you need is a false implication somewhere, davout ; ANYWHERE. once you have it then everything becomes provable. 1601847;1484228852;asciilifeform;davout: notice that it ~wasn't~ included! 1601848;1484228865;asciilifeform;'if your grandmother had balls...' 1601849;1484228867;davout;asciilifeform: i do 1601850;1484228981;davout;strings defined as byte vectors is pretty unambiguous 1601851;1484228998;mircea_popescu;yes but now define ruby's notion of substr 1601852;1484229022;asciilifeform;davout: cl chars ain't bytes 1601853;1484229023;mircea_popescu;see the whole point of "string" as a concept (and from it, as a type) is based on a fundamental ambiguity. now it's this, now it's that. 1601854;1484229042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's an anti-helpful objection. 1601855;1484229050;asciilifeform;davout: nor null-termed, nor contiguous in memory 1601856;1484229091;davout;mircea_popescu: i'm afraid i don't see that particular ambiguity 1601857;1484229102;mircea_popescu;i know. i hadn't seen it until yesterday either. 1601858;1484229123;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is in fact useful to remember that the 'convenience' of cstring is == to the 'convenience' of shitting on the floor where you stand 1601859;1484229153;mircea_popescu;this is something you can remember only if you already groked it. 1601860;1484229160;asciilifeform;tru 1601861;1484229197;davout;mircea_popescu: #chainstate ref plox? 1601862;1484229353;Framedragger;inb4 cross-channel reference and search system!! 1601863;1484229356;mircea_popescu;there's two points. one, where i saw it at the periphery and feared it may be a thing, which made me pretty pissy : http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#1340 and then http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#1374 as the issue was structuring in my head. then of course the closing comments early today morning, http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-12#323 as the thing couldn't actually be dismissed. 1601864;1484229414;mircea_popescu;if you look through the log it's pretty evident alf understands exactly what the problem is, in spite of his deeply boneheaded, inept self-expression. which sadly makes it evident only retrospectively. 1601865;1484229432;mircea_popescu;then again how to speak truth to clueless is a quite open problem in the first place. 1601866;1484229607;mircea_popescu;but that's why he speaks of socialism and getting for free and etc. 1601867;1484230005;davout;asciilifeform: the reason some of the string primitives aren't included, e.g. "substring" is that they're O(n)? In other words, that the convenience comes at the cost of incentivizing operator idiocy? 1601868;1484230032;mircea_popescu;vice-versa : they have to cost that, because they're stuck papering over the fact that the operator has no idea what he wants. 1601869;1484230047;asciilifeform;well, for starters, much worse than O(n) 1601870;1484230058;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu nails it. 1601871;1484230096;mircea_popescu;the computer doesn't in the slightest mind running in a for loop from now until the heat-end of history. however, it would humbly request you actually write its death sentence deliberately rather than by uncomprehended accidenty. 1601872;1484230123;mircea_popescu;which is altogether not an unreasonable bar for all slavery. 1601873;1484230151;asciilifeform;this is main reason why haskell and other 'lazy eval' systems are malignant 1601874;1484230188;asciilifeform;they create 'secret talmud' of workable ops, that are not visually distinct from intractable ones 1601875;1484230206;mircea_popescu;mistreating the slaves is the ruin of the house. 1601876;1484230398;davout;right. 1601877;1484230413;mircea_popescu;don't tell me all this nonsense now makes sense to you ? 1601878;1484230430;davout;i see your point mucho better 1601879;1484230452;mircea_popescu;well then. 1601880;1484230586;davout;not sure what asciilifeform means in his last comment 1601881;1484230620;asciilifeform;which, davout ? 1601882;1484230628;davout;mircea_popescu: i see the point in general, but i'm not sure i'd take it as far as considering some additional string primitives as being evil 1601883;1484230648;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601874 1601884;1484230648;a111;Logged on 2017-01-12 14:09 asciilifeform: they create 'secret talmud' of workable ops, that are not visually distinct from intractable ones 1601885;1484230682;mircea_popescu;well, entirely depends on your definition of evil, but the point remains they're not helping you, they're just smothering you. 1601886;1484230718;mircea_popescu;aka "you can get some version of what you possibly wanted done very easy at the cost of understanding what you actually wanted or what the hell's the differece." 1601887;1484230733;asciilifeform;davout: in some programming systems, it is very easy to inadvertently ask the machine to solve an np-hard problem. and for 0 good reason, other than that making such a language stroked academitard cocks 1601888;1484230738;mircea_popescu;cue ballas with his "there's a difference between what you need and what you want, and the media will relentlessly give you strings" 1601889;1484230819;davout;asciilifeform: ic 1601890;1484230830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's very symbolically imperial, also. the language of "rights" and "rule of law" makes it trival to start a "war on drugs" or "women against rape". then the state ends and everyone is at a loss why the fuck it did. 1601891;1484230874;asciilifeform;in other languages, e.g., python, ruby, there is a lesser sin, you end up stuffing multitude of O(n) ops in places where you oughta have O(1), O(n^2) ops where with some thought you could've had O(n), etc. and the braindamage adds up 1601892;1484230880;davout;mircea_popescu: yea, i guess the question is where you stop. at which point do you decide that you're going to buy these apples instead of growing them, because ultimately you want an apple pie 1601893;1484230908;davout;asciilifeform: yes 1601894;1484230921;mircea_popescu;davout no, not really, because i buy ~apples~. your question would be "at which point you stop buying canned frozen fruit tm for your apple pie". anyone may give his own answer, but in my case it's long, long ago. 1601895;1484230972;mircea_popescu;and yes i plant my own lovage, in buenos aires, because the plant doesn't exist and "soup condiment mix" doesn't satisfy. 1601896;1484231061;asciilifeform;davout: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144404199547949@naggum.no.html << from 6th paragraph, with the 'swamp water' 1601897;1484231079;*;davout shall read 1601898;1484231177;asciilifeform;'...suppose you drive down the highway and you suddenly want to go some nice place you saw just before you pass a forest. you veer off the road, plunge into the wilderness and promptly decide that you need four-wheel drive, a huge cutting device in front of your car, much better shock absorbers, a bigger engine that could actually run on swamp water instead of getting all drowned, and then need an amphibious vehicle to get across the 1601899;1484231177;asciilifeform;ll that right away after you made up your mind to veer off the road, and This Is Surely Somebody's Fault...' 1601900;1484231227;mircea_popescu;fwiw i wasn't terribly impressed with that particular statement. 1601901;1484231232;asciilifeform;(piece was not about strings, but another 'need' vs 'want', but otherwise very similar idea) 1601902;1484231264;mircea_popescu;actually, let me restate it in a form i better like! 1601903;1484231280;mircea_popescu;i now have to start writing an article IN THE MIDDLE OF WRITING AN ARTICLE. damn you all! 1601904;1484231286;asciilifeform;lel 1601905;1484231301;Framedragger;"so you have two tits right" 1601906;1484231342;mod6;mornin' 1601907;1484231352;Framedragger;o/ 1601908;1484232294;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-general-brendan-eich-jwz/ < 1601909;1484233359;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-general-brendan-eich-jwz/ << Trilema - The General Brendan Eich, JWZ 1601910;1484236960;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/why-politicians-dont-ever-do-anything-for-the-people-a-model/ << Trilema - Why politicians don't ever do anything for the people, a model 1601911;1484238533;asciilifeform;in other lulz, disinfo farms working overtime, https://cryptome.org/2017/01/Steele-Trump.pdf ( no, does not exist as human text, full of scan-of-scan nonsense, but quite hilarious ) 1601912;1484239817;pete_dushenski;in fiat-btc news, http://beijing.pbc.gov.cn/beijing/132005/3230072/index.html http://shanghai.pbc.gov.cn/fzhshanghai/113571/3230012/index.html 1601913;1484239820;pete_dushenski;"For the recent abnormal operation of Bitcoin trading platform, on January 6 the People's Bank of China Business Management Department, the Beijing Municipal Bureau of Financial Affairs jointly met with the relevant regulatory authorities of the "currency network", "currency" and other major currency trading platform responsible person, Understand the operation of the platform, suggesting that the possible 1601914;1484239821;pete_dushenski;legal risks, policy risks and technical risks, requiring their business conduct must be in compliance with relevant laws and regulations and strictly carry out self-examination and related rectification. 1601915;1484239823;pete_dushenski;" 1601916;1484239896;pete_dushenski;from related msm piece, “We’ve been meeting with them regularly over the last two to three years. The only difference is that they talked about it this time,” Bobby Lee, chief executive of BTC China, the world’s largest exchange by trading volume over the past month, told the Financial Times. “I think their intent is to remind the world, ‘The PBoC is on top of this. Don’t let the price go 1601917;1484239898;pete_dushenski;crazy’. That’s their prerogative.” " 1601918;1484241911;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601807 << i looked at his recent pieces, what a massive load of americanized 'misesian', 'randroid' claptrap. mega-snoar. 1601919;1484241911;a111;Logged on 2017-01-12 11:48 Framedragger: lulzy: https://sergiobossi.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/bitcoin-most-serene-republic.html 1601920;1484241921;asciilifeform;complete with taleb's cockstroking. 1601921;1484242067;asciilifeform;in late 19th c. usa, the land of p.t. barnum & co, there was a (one of many) mass-hysteria crackpotteries, an obsession with 'properly chewing your food before you swallow it.' complete with maxims such as the unforgettable 'nature shall castigate those who don't masticate!' the hayek, rand, etc. folx reminds me of nothing more than of this. 1601922;1484242976;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes how does mimisbrunnr compute the tslb ? (is it the time block was received on your box ? or some other..?) 1601923;1484242976;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1601924;1484244270;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: blockchain dot com, ofc 1601925;1484244287;ben_vulpes;no i kid, it's the time at which the node shits ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED 1601926;1484244295;ben_vulpes;into its logs. 1601927;1484244706;ben_vulpes;there is some lag between when it learns about a block and when it reports it to irc, as it dumps and parses blocks, but it reports the logged timestamp accurately to the best of my knowledge. 1601928;1484245413;jurov;http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra 1601929;1484245598;trinque;holy shit, I just considered making a joke that they should have seeds in them. 1601930;1484245664;trinque;incidentally mats, catch any of the mattis confirmation hearing? sounded to be about 50% "but what about the womens and gays?!" before I turned it off. 1601931;1484245743;*;trinque welcomes the lulz of the transgendered, seed shooting us.mil of the 21st century 1601932;1484246506;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aaaah, so there were not necessarily any blox mined in 3sec. 1601933;1484246533;asciilifeform;but only the familiar blackhole-catchup-blackhole-catchup cycle. 1601934;1484246691;trinque;https://www.rt.com/viral/373450-robot-kill-switches-status/ << in other delusional jackoffs 1601935;1484248467;Framedragger; /msg scriba archivestats 1601936;1484248476;Framedragger;blergh. sorry. 1601937;1484248708;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu while sleeping i had a thought re http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function and my earlier attempt thereof likewise : that the thing may not in fact be ~collision-resistant~ (it may not be so difficult to take an arbitrary desired output and find a tape that hashes to it.) 1601938;1484248708;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1601939;1484248799;asciilifeform;then again, traditional hash algos 'solve' (i.e. pretend to solve) this by 'every sub-op of hashing affects all output bits' which is largely promisetronic. 1601940;1484249531;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ah, yeah. less than useful i suppose then if it's mostly an indicator of node state. 1601941;1484249572;ben_vulpes;for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them. 1601942;1484251041;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://threatpost.com/shadowbrokers-bid-farewell-close-doors/123047/ 1601943;1484251846;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in völkischer beobachter , https://archive.is/Xztp7 >> 'In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections. ... Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch signed the new rules, permitting the N.S.A. to disseminate “raw signals intelligence 1601944;1484251846;asciilifeform; information,” on Jan. 3, after the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., signed them on Dec. 15 ...' 1601945;1484252289;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'figthing machines' 1601946;1484252548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe. show me ? 1601947;1484252615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't have a proggy written, but the general idea is not monumentally arcane -- you simply work backwards 1601948;1484253008;mircea_popescu;from what ? 1601949;1484253020;asciilifeform;from the output with which you want a collision. 1601950;1484253024;asciilifeform;elementarily. 1601951;1484253027;mircea_popescu;but you have neither S nor M. 1601952;1484253039;mircea_popescu;you try all possible combos ? 1601953;1484253046;asciilifeform;nope 1601954;1484253069;asciilifeform;when you look for a hash collision, your goal is to find ~some~ M that produces the particular desired R. 1601955;1484253078;asciilifeform;(to use the nomenclature in mircea_popescu's piece strictly) 1601956;1484253080;mircea_popescu;in my own mind it's about as strong re this as otp, "you can get any message you want back out", but admittedly that's mostly self infatuation 1601957;1484253087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. 1601958;1484253097;asciilifeform;if you can find ~any~ collision, the hash is broken. 1601959;1484253107;mircea_popescu;well, it's not collision resistant, yes. 1601960;1484253112;asciilifeform;so quite useless. 1601961;1484253123;asciilifeform;you gotta have collision resistance, for almost any practical application. 1601962;1484253130;asciilifeform;otherwise it reduces to a fancy crc32. 1601963;1484253198;asciilifeform;(consider one especially disastrous meltdown: in the merkle tree variant of lamport's signature scheme, you are hashing over RNG output. so if ANY collision whatsoever can be found, the enemy can forge signatures at will.) 1601964;1484253220;asciilifeform;in other cases collisions need some form of structure to be useful, but this is only mild consolation. 1601965;1484253226;*;asciilifeform brb, food 1601966;1484253244;ben_vulpes;in other usg scientism: https://www.elgaronline.com/view/journals/roke/5-1/roke.2017.01.08.xml 1601967;1484253252;mircea_popescu;well no food for you yet, you just drew some generalities. 1601968;1484253734;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601928 << when copper's too good, and plastic just good enough! 1601969;1484253734;a111;Logged on 2017-01-12 18:23 jurov: http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra 1601970;1484253743;mircea_popescu;maybe they should shoot some flaming ice for a change. 1601971;1484253864;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601941 << this is a useful record in that one can take the list of mimisbrunnr , which exists timestampted in chan, and compare to list of blockchain.info for instance, see what dt is involved. sum it up over 10k blocks or whatever 1601972;1484253864;a111;Logged on 2017-01-12 19:32 ben_vulpes: for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them. 1601973;1484253902;ben_vulpes;more of an open ended research project than "production blockchain api replacement" 1601974;1484253914;mircea_popescu;ty ben_vulpes 1601975;1484253926;ben_vulpes;aha 1601976;1484253961;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599758 << i have trouble reconciling the obvious correctness of this statement with the ballooning of complexity in eg webtech 1601977;1484253961;a111;Logged on 2017-01-09 14:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599676 << for the record, there isn't a case in history YET where schelling point was anything than against complexity. 1601978;1484253980;mircea_popescu;re the "research project" : the data's there. if anyone cares, can go use it ; if not cares, not cares. either way problem solved. 1601979;1484254010;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes webtech is not a system with multiple agents. 1601980;1484254032;mircea_popescu;monoagent systems can and usually do explode in complexity. it's called solipsist mania / psychosis. 1601981;1484254047;mircea_popescu;kinda why solitary confinement is thought to cause insanity. 1601982;1484254078;ben_vulpes;yeah or why every day i come home there's some gorgeous new socialist propaganda to scour off the walls 1601983;1484254102;mircea_popescu;right, the soviets had the same issue, their ideology became ever more windingly complex. 1601984;1484254104;ben_vulpes;who is the monoagent in webtech? i see a zillion "dev", "companies" etc 1601985;1484254111;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "the community" 1601986;1484254116;ben_vulpes;(well i meant woman unattended with child for hours on end) 1601987;1484254212;mircea_popescu;lol ok 1601988;1484254257;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/gtrl-or-gtfo/ << in other great agains from before the great great again. 1601989;1484257251;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: that usg scientism article is a hoot 1601990;1484257515;ben_vulpes;solid chuckles 1601991;1484257545;pete_dushenski;!~ticker 1601992;1484257546;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 826.21, Best ask: 826.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 826.47, 24 hour volume: 32698.58156695, 24 hour low: 735.0, 24 hour high: 829.8, 24 hour vwap: None 1601993;1484258938;Framedragger;http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-strangest-people 1601994;1484259995;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-121046 1601995;1484262075;trinque;!!up whaack 1601996;1484262075;deedbot;whaack voiced for 30 minutes. 1601997;1484262123;trinque;wb 1601998;1484262380;whaack;ty! I just finished setting up a bouncer. Re the last time I was here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550381 my ultimate solution was just clearing my .bitcoin I believe and running it again and it did not get stuck. I never figured out why i was stuck 1601999;1484262380;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 18:50 mircea_popescu: whaack it is entirely possible that your node is stuck on validating that block because of lack of ram, yes. 1602000;1484262475;mircea_popescu;aite. 1602001;1484262507;ben_vulpes;whaack: is this a trb node? 1602002;1484262563;whaack;yes 1602003;1484263517;mircea_popescu;btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them. 1602004;1484263528;mircea_popescu;gets around the whole "enemy knows who it's talking to" thing. 1602005;1484264074;ben_vulpes;whaack: TIGHT 1602006;1484264121;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: neat idea 1602007;1484264220;mircea_popescu;they're not terribly expensive, if you have an automated process can get 10-20 up at all times with a lifetime no longer than 2-4 weeks for less than 1btc/year. experimentally that's the lower margin of enough. 1602008;1484264508;mircea_popescu;from ancient tomes : "organizarea actuala a Serviciului Statisticei Demografice, destinata a fi una din realizarile cele mai perfectionate existente in prezent, s'a putu face in primul rind datorita concursului acordat de catre Fundatiunea Americana Rockefeller, care, prin conventiunea incheiata cu Ministerul Sanatatii, asigura timp the patru ani insemnate fonduri banesti, pina la un procent de 44.39% din totalul fondului de 1602009;1484264509;mircea_popescu;cheltuieli, precum si un ajutor tehnic nepretuit." 1602010;1484264525;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : romanian census 1930 was mostly paid for by the soros foundation of 1930. 1602011;1484264638;mircea_popescu;this included 7 automated punchcard machines, 11 calculators etc. 1602012;1484264817;pete_dushenski;speaking of romanian bits, thanks to the latest trilema, http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/ and http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/ could use translating imo 1602013;1484264820;Framedragger;!$ ssh 79.98.25.182 8.8.8.8 79.98.25.200 1602014;1484264838;Framedragger;(scheisse) 1602015;1484264872;mircea_popescu;i cant believe i've not translated the two girls one ?! 1602016;1484264878;pete_dushenski;ikr 1602017;1484264889;pete_dushenski;if you have, it doesn't have a trackback at least 1602018;1484264897;mircea_popescu;the 2nd one has a proper source, maybe just read the original ? it's a for-romanian-tards discussion of an english piece 1602019;1484264907;Framedragger;!$ ssh 79.98.25.182 8.8.8.8 79.98.25.200 1602020;1484264907;scriba;ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 1602021;1484264908;ben_vulpes;!#s testing production 1602022;1484264908;a111;22 results for "testing production", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=testing%20production 1602023;1484264908;scriba;ssh banner of 79.98.25.200 as seen on 2016-07-12: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3 1602024;1484264922;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he's not a lord yet, dun have a castle, what can he do 1602025;1484264939;ben_vulpes;i regard this vast wasteland of unclaimed irc channels 1602026;1484264942;ben_vulpes;and can only ask myself 1602027;1484264944;ben_vulpes;why 1602028;1484264947;ben_vulpes;here 1602029;1484264949;mircea_popescu;should be a comicv 1602030;1484264972;Framedragger;^ alright, worx. may not be too terribly useful, but it uses a new l33t backend provided by siphnos.mkj.lt, to be documented later 1602031;1484264989;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: does it run on oleg? 1602032;1484265014;phf;lords of tmsr should have proper attire. something by moebius http://68.media.tumblr.com/2a9f398560cec9d0ddf753a440fafe4f/tumblr_ojakw6ghIS1sndzdgo1_500.jpg 1602033;1484265021;Framedragger;any particular oleg in mind? 1602034;1484265026;ben_vulpes;olegdb! 1602035;1484265031;Framedragger;oleg of novgorod? 1602036;1484265043;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: one more for your list :) http://trilema.com/2012/succesiunea-civilizatiilor-in-concretetea-lor-materiala/ 1602037;1484265047;Framedragger;http://olegdb.org/ << ahahaha :D 1602038;1484265058;pete_dushenski;oleganza! 1602039;1484265061;mircea_popescu;phf to quote from a film i don't recall, "niente coveri, solo corpi di tinere donne" 1602040;1484265072;Framedragger;amazing. (nah uses proper postgres!!11) 1602041;1484265090;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: fuck that guy, he left the only usable visual git client for os x to rot without releasing the source. 1602042;1484265099;Framedragger;select count(1) from siphnos_scan1 ; 1602043;1484265100;Framedragger; count 1602044;1484265100;Framedragger;---------- 1602045;1484265100;Framedragger; 15399387 1602046;1484265111;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: are you sure you shouldn't be using olegdb? 1602047;1484265130;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: could you update bots page? `/msg scriba help` is up to date nao 1602048;1484265148;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: i'll transition when i am ready for web scale!! 1602049;1484265157;phf;mircea_popescu: that'll require translation 1602050;1484265173;mircea_popescu;i dunno, some bit about how the chinese emperors din't have covers on their beds, slept covered in women 1602051;1484265180;phf;ha 1602052;1484265181;mircea_popescu;(anyone who tried this knows it's entirely impractical) 1602053;1484265188;pete_dushenski;"Trilema hurt my head on-and-off for Nearly a year.Then it hit me like a ton of bricks-shit." << what chrome thinks my en quote would sound like if it were ro then converted back to en. 1602054;1484265214;Framedragger;> Are you guys CS 100 students? 1602055;1484265214;Framedragger;> We were. Never really made it past that. 1602056;1484265220;mircea_popescu;lol wut ? 1602057;1484265226;Framedragger;^ http://olegdb.org/faq.html 1602058;1484265232;mircea_popescu;ehehe 1602059;1484265265;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: ya no love lost for oleganza anymore. had some fun chatting and dining with him a few years back but he's still not here so not much hope for him really. 1602060;1484265269;ben_vulpes;"a database for when persistence means turning fsync on" 1602061;1484265270;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: on it :) 1602062;1484265277;Framedragger;many thanks :) 1602063;1484265315;ben_vulpes;i am going to raise my hand and ask a stupid question 1602064;1484265334;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: why did count(1) not return 1? 1602065;1484265430;Framedragger;count() takes "what to return for *every* matching row", basically. "1" is also a thing to return, so it returns >15m of "1"s 1602066;1484265468;ben_vulpes;ah 1602067;1484265507;ben_vulpes;the really funny thing is that i ran a similar query against a table with one row 1602068;1484265525;Framedragger;ahh..yeah it's super unintuitive, i think 1602069;1484265554;ben_vulpes;eh, if i'd done it against a table with two rows it'd have made sense immediately. 1602070;1484265610;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: gtg! 1602071;1484265773;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: ah thanks very much, there's another newly documented command `getarchive` in there, could you include that too, please? :) (no hurries tho, it's not like they're super essential anyway heh) 1602072;1484265794;phf;ben_vulpes: it's a silly convention, because count(anything) would've returned the row count. select count(42) from foo would've returned the same result 1602073;1484265809;ben_vulpes;count(first) 1602074;1484265815;mircea_popescu;people generally do count(*) or such 1602075;1484265876;ben_vulpes;i am now more completely aware of the question's stupidity, thank you all. 1602076;1484266373;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: no worries, it's updated. 1602077;1484266578;pete_dushenski;!~isup http://danielpbarron.com/ 1602078;1484266582;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: It's not just you. danielpbarron.com/ appears to be down. 1602079;1484266675;pete_dushenski;!$ getarchive http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-drunken-explorer/ 1602080;1484266676;scriba;Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/BYTAJ (this was archived by scriba: yes) 1602081;1484266970;ben_vulpes;https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/9779277632/ << a baby hillary! 1602082;1484266999;ben_vulpes;heh and a case could be made for bill's dong making an appearnace as well 1602083;1484267229;*;pete_dushenski has updated eulora ubuntu wiki with danielpbarron's archived site now that foxybot is part of the stock downloaded package 1602084;1484267344;*;pete_dushenski learned about wiki hyperlinking in the process. it's... different. 1602085;1484267447;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1602086;1484267533;*;asciilifeform caught up. 1602087;1484267649;pete_dushenski;in other other strange that should've died two decades ago but lives, anyone missing their old apple 'portable' now has a latter day option : https://www.cnet.com/products/acer-predator-21x/preview/ 1602088;1484267841;ben_vulpes;featuring ethnic models in gender-bending haircuts! 1602089;1484267871;ben_vulpes;lol detachable numpad wtf monstrosity have you unearthed pete_dushenski 1602090;1484267886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-121047 1602091;1484267904;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i swim in dark waters 1602092;1484267929;pete_dushenski;lotsa "new" shit 1602093;1484268021;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i just built a heathentron box with very similar specs, for roughly 1/4 the cost 1602094;1484268037;asciilifeform;(and of very similar physical volume and mass.) 1602095;1484268075;asciilifeform;10k usd for lappy is bizzarroworld. 1602096;1484268090;asciilifeform;(unless the year is 1995 and it's a 'tadpole sparcbook' etc) 1602097;1484268211;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i am on my own perversely enjoyable swim through the filth atm 1602098;1484268228;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: and how much time did it take you ? how much of your incomparable expertise did it require ? if little, and you made laptop not desktop, you win. 1602099;1484268241;ben_vulpes;"thirty minutes and ten years" 1602100;1484268245;pete_dushenski;^^ 1602101;1484268256;pete_dushenski;"why is this root canal $1000??!" 1602102;1484268263;ben_vulpes;well no that is bullshit 1602103;1484268283;ben_vulpes;"friends with benefits" ifyaknowhaddayemean 1602104;1484268310;pete_dushenski;lol! ok, let's hear it. why is it bullshit ? because you know an indian guy who will do it in the back of his dirty van ? 1602105;1484268329;ben_vulpes;father in law 1602106;1484268331;ben_vulpes;but close 1602107;1484268331;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: wtf, didn't make laptop, no 1602108;1484268347;ben_vulpes;but wtf who isn't 2 jumps away from a dentist 1602109;1484268355;asciilifeform;ended up with a thing ~= the size of a breadbox. 1602110;1484268385;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: heh. my father in law too. girl idem ;) 1602111;1484268414;pete_dushenski;but that still leaves a lotta jews w/o blogs who have no dentist in the fam! 1602112;1484268415;asciilifeform;~ 35 x 25 x 20 cm. 1602113;1484268425;ben_vulpes;ya fuck 'em, get in the wot 1602114;1484268441;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: and it took a coupla hours. 1602115;1484268453;asciilifeform;as it always does. 1602116;1484268460;asciilifeform;pretty unremarkable build. 1602117;1484268488;pete_dushenski;for the ignorant, what is remarkable build ? lispmachine on iphone ? 1602118;1484268499;asciilifeform;and srsly, pete_dushenski never had to build pc?! 1602119;1484268501;pete_dushenski;or on vtech lappy ? 1602120;1484268503;asciilifeform;where was he in the 90s 1602121;1484268514;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: wasn't the question. care to answer it ? 1602122;1484268525;asciilifeform;which q. i'm trying to work in order here 1602123;1484268558;pete_dushenski;you set the bar here, not me. i'm genuinely curious what alfatronic 'remarkable build' looks like. 1602124;1484268570;asciilifeform;'remarkable build' for pc would be, say, water cooling thing made from toyota. ( asciilifeform had this nonsense as a student. ) 1602125;1484268586;pete_dushenski;lolk just needed that point of reference. ty. 1602126;1484268604;asciilifeform;at any rate it is about as much of an intellectual exercise as building chair from 'ikea' etc. 1602127;1484268639;ben_vulpes;haha 1602128;1484268643;asciilifeform;you buy the boards, the tin, etc. and they snap together in exactly 1 way. 1602129;1484268654;asciilifeform;the model airplane you glued when you were 5, was harder. 1602130;1484268667;mircea_popescu;wtf are you discussing. 1602131;1484268694;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski posted link to $10k x86 lappy. and asciilifeform remarked that it is similar box to what he built for nowhere close to 10k usd. 1602132;1484268713;asciilifeform;file under the 'laptops suck' thread. 1602133;1484268717;mircea_popescu;aite 1602134;1484271092;ben_vulpes;https://igoradamenko.github.io/awsm.css/elements.html "div isn't styled because it doesn't have semantic value" << i like this attitude 1602135;1484273361;mircea_popescu;so i tried to watch naked (2013). the most i can say is that the atrocity is a fine explanation of why there isn't such a thing as english philosophy. 1602136;1484273809;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74B2839A28A26465F882A81738A18BEC4A02D2E88EBD03C709894390DDDD641F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1794...4017 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.68.93.14 (ssh-rsa key from 80.68.93.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (oblivion.extols.co.uk. GB) 1602137;1484273810;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74B2839A28A26465F882A81738A18BEC4A02D2E88EBD03C709894390DDDD641F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1711...4937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.68.93.14 (ssh-rsa key from 80.68.93.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (oblivion.extols.co.uk. GB) 1602138;1484275926;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602020 << this is pretty nifty. 1602139;1484275926;a111;Logged on 2017-01-12 23:48 scriba: ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 1602140;1484276037;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602003 << we do not, afaik, presently have a knob in trb that would enable the 'at you' part of this. 1602141;1484276037;a111;Logged on 2017-01-12 23:25 mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them. 1602142;1484276063;asciilifeform;i.e. dulap will occasionally drop zoolag! and there is currently nothing i can do to force it not to 1602143;1484276075;asciilifeform;(and vice-versa) 1602144;1484276986;mircea_popescu;eatblock 1602145;1484277018;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point is mostly block timing / discovery. you can compare when various anon nodes see blocks to evaluate both the network and any hostile activity. 1602146;1484277167;asciilifeform;nifty idea overall. 1602147;1484277259;mircea_popescu;basic tool of bitcoin network intel. 1602148;1484277737;mircea_popescu;aaand happy fri the 13th 1602149;1484280725;asciilifeform;phf's logtron down?? 1602150;1484280875;BingoBoingo;lol, ben_vulpes spent all the effort ridding himself of disposable VPS constructs, and now has problem which suggest leaning on them again 1602151;1484280934;trinque;asciilifeform: works here 1602152;1484281043;asciilifeform;noworky here 1602153;1484281611;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/44F62448613E25FDD256C73528E8A74A5B2D9E404B983F011BB453F9794A7838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1442...1479 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.33.170.204 (ssh-rsa key from 217.33.170.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown GB) 1602154;1484281612;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/44F62448613E25FDD256C73528E8A74A5B2D9E404B983F011BB453F9794A7838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...1933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.33.170.204 (ssh-rsa key from 217.33.170.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown GB) 1602155;1484282040;asciilifeform;aaand it's back 1602156;1484282177;trinque;asciilifeform: they were doing an update on your mitmtron, all done now 1602157;1484282182;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF2442CFB191352BD53447D8F8503979922170EB8A5C26F5519753EF821DD7CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...1637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.70.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.70.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rs42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1602158;1484282182;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF2442CFB191352BD53447D8F8503979922170EB8A5C26F5519753EF821DD7CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1603...7073 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.70.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.70.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (rs42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL) 1602159;1484282190;asciilifeform;lul 1602160;1484283232;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45E4A3D82B00CD7ABE8C7B8A8D4D7059537E8FA49B3C32412717747121DC260A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...4983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.43.200.1 (ssh-rsa key from 89.43.200.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (router.radionetturda.ro. RO CJ) 1602161;1484283232;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45E4A3D82B00CD7ABE8C7B8A8D4D7059537E8FA49B3C32412717747121DC260A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...9279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.43.200.1 (ssh-rsa key from 89.43.200.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (router.radionetturda.ro. RO CJ) 1602162;1484283264;asciilifeform;^ turda was that salt mine, neh...? 1602163;1484285211;mircea_popescu;yeh 1602164;1484285240;mircea_popescu;!~google salina turda 1602165;1484285241;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Salina Turda - Wikipedia: ; Salina Turda Salt Mine: ; Salina Turda amusement park in Romania - Business Insider: 1602166;1484294166;davout;in other false pope news http://yournewswire.com/pope-francis-global-central-bank/ 1602167;1484294179;davout;sorry, antipope 1602168;1484306996;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602076 << tyvm! 1602169;1484306996;a111;Logged on 2017-01-13 00:12 pete_dushenski: Framedragger: no worries, it's updated. 1602170;1484311767;mircea_popescu;nooow then, let's continue with this lisp thingee. 1602171;1484315521;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E7AD433551E8685B6C4269A2AA6E66E19F80FB175F3F0A4DE9756009B0D8166F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...8977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.149.177 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.149.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host177.b6.trdns.com. TR) 1602172;1484315521;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E7AD433551E8685B6C4269A2AA6E66E19F80FB175F3F0A4DE9756009B0D8166F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...9469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.149.177 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.149.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (host177.b6.trdns.com. TR) 1602173;1484315851;mircea_popescu;i guess they're mostly going to be double bangs from now on huh. 1602174;1484316059;mircea_popescu;!~calc 30! 1602175;1484316060;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 30! = 2.652528598121911E32 1602176;1484316065;mircea_popescu;!~calc 16! 1602177;1484316066;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 16! = 20922789888000 1602178;1484316071;mircea_popescu;!~calc 8! 1602179;1484316072;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 8! = 40320 1602180;1484316126;mircea_popescu;!~calc 20! 1602181;1484316128;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 20! = 2432902008176640000 1602182;1484320872;asciilifeform;in other lulz -- https://archive.is/WxWgs << run moar weirdo closed chats 1602183;1484321117;mircea_popescu;digging through the logs to find a point of reference for " phf that actually goes back to a thread long time ago" i found http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-09#1320422 instead. how did the proposed solution work out for you phf ? 1602184;1484321117;a111;Logged on 2015-11-09 04:39 phf: which brings me to the point that i have folders for all but "make new hardware" item in that list of b-a scope in various states of disarray, and it would be great if there was some prioritization, like it was the case with eulora "oh we need this done, you do it". 1602185;1484321128;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, anyone recall the link to the big array/list discussion cuz i can't fucking find it 1602186;1484324490;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-02#1444246 ? 1602187;1484324490;a111;Logged on 2016-04-02 01:12 phf: Nah, universally. A significant property of arrays shared across languages is that they give you some guarantees about access time, space utilization 1602188;1484324508;mircea_popescu;lessee 1602189;1484324532;mircea_popescu;very much. 1602190;1484324539;mircea_popescu;ty. howdja get it ? 1602191;1484324564;asciilifeform;it was memorable 1602192;1484324573;asciilifeform;because compact, correct description of 'what is array' 1602193;1484324579;mircea_popescu;nice. wanted to re=read it anyway. 1602194;1484324624;*;mircea_popescu is preparing lisp mega-article. only 30k words or so. 1602195;1484324658;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3236870273259433@naggum.net.html << possibly related, re the 'resources' thing 1602196;1484324680;asciilifeform;'Common Lisp is a big-city language. Spit out the hayseed, pronounce "shit" with one syllable and "shotgun" with two. You're not in Kansas, anymore. C is the language of the poor farmer village where the allocation of every seed and livestock matters, where taxes are low and public service non-existent.' 1602197;1484324779;asciilifeform;^ actually a discussion of cl strings! 1602198;1484325335;mircea_popescu;this makes me loathe lisp and prefer c. 1602199;1484325354;mircea_popescu;there is no future, for the record, for the "big city" understood as rules of pronounciation, high taxes and "public services". 1602200;1484325403;asciilifeform;this goes back to the 'tallest tower' thread. 1602201;1484325404;mircea_popescu;much like his "car going off road is bad mkay" made my skin crawl. why the fuck would i ALWAYS go anywhere there's a road, what am i, too young to grow a beard ? 1602202;1484325417;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is NO RELATION between civilisation and impotence. 1602203;1484325436;asciilifeform;why does 'city with paved roads and indoor plumbing' necessarily equate to 'impotence' ? 1602204;1484325453;mircea_popescu;phf for instance, is shockingly delicate, specifically because he's more from russia than you. and the japanese folk, ESPECIALLY back in the days when misspeaking to samurai == beheading, were remarkably delicate also. 1602205;1484325475;asciilifeform;i must've missed one hell of a thread. where, e.g., phf was 'delicate'..? 1602206;1484325477;mircea_popescu;so no, civilisation doth exist irrespective of "follow the road and wear breeches" 1602207;1484325496;mircea_popescu;it doesn't shock you, the man's delicacy ? 1602208;1484325531;asciilifeform;are we talking of same d00d? because the phf i recall sleeps in a tent, in arizona desert, surrounded by 48 virgins 1602209;1484325534;asciilifeform;or what was it. 1602210;1484325540;mircea_popescu;i meant in demeanor. 1602211;1484325560;asciilifeform;dunno, maybe he sat in kresty, and just weighs words veeery carefully. 1602212;1484325573;mircea_popescu;which is the point, somewhat. 1602213;1484325591;mircea_popescu;"big city" is very specifically NOT the big city where naggum dreamed to move, as depicted in sex and the city. 1602214;1484325629;asciilifeform;actually from my reading naggum's 'city' is simply 'place where the mains sockets work, the roads are smooth, and vehicle can be mercedes and not necessarily mule' 1602215;1484325636;mircea_popescu;big city as in, new orleans, with low taxes and slaves. not as in new york, with high taxes, "public services" and "pronounce words this way" 1602216;1484325651;mircea_popescu;this is a generous read to the point of wishful thinking, i suspect. 1602217;1484325679;asciilifeform;'public service' does not necessarily mean 'communist', just means that it is available to folks within the walls. can have price of admission, as in medieval germany, it is not specified how 'public road' is paid for. 1602218;1484325686;mircea_popescu;but in any case there's absolutely no progre monopoly on civilisation. on the contrary. 1602219;1484325689;asciilifeform;naggum, for instance, used payware lisptrons that cost megabux. 1602220;1484325696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform define "public service" if you will ? 1602221;1484325713;asciilifeform;'available ad libitum to those within the walls' 1602222;1484325760;mircea_popescu;naggum evidently intends restrictions as to shape AND USAGE. this you don't see because you opt to, but in his world, as constructed from his words, it is legitimate for someone to come and tell you "this isn't a proper use of the public service", and it is illegitimate for you to retort "tough" 1602223;1484325803;asciilifeform;it so happens that i read all of the material from the naggum archive. and apparently d00d lived in oslo, a very strongly socialist hellhole, and hated it for all of the right reasons. 1602224;1484325811;asciilifeform;(tax on auto, for instance, was 100k usd iirc) 1602225;1484325832;mircea_popescu;ironically, i'd make the auto tax 100x yearly average income. 1602226;1484326052;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit is that places like oslo, bangkok, etc. with draconian auto tax, still have jams. 1602227;1484326068;asciilifeform;just not of car. 1602228;1484326149;mircea_popescu;i have a solution for that, too! http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ 1602229;1484326533;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/13/mothers-and-fathers/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Mothers and fathers. 1602230;1484327193;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B216777E530792039BCD01CA8DB5D3834CAF576E9FCA906E9DB886AEF9CD7851 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...3553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.200.63.156 (ssh-rsa key from 88.200.63.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SI) 1602231;1484327193;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B216777E530792039BCD01CA8DB5D3834CAF576E9FCA906E9DB886AEF9CD7851 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1639...7709 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.200.63.156 (ssh-rsa key from 88.200.63.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown SI) 1602232;1484329597;thestringpuller;!~seen jurov 1602233;1484329598;jhvh1;thestringpuller: jurov was last seen in #trilema 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra 1602234;1484331664;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/ << Trilema - My three days of AI 1602235;1484331938;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : ben_vulpes would you join candi here and set everyone in l1 to its eat list ? i deem you've satisfied contractual obligations re support ; if you'll be kind enough to bring it back within a day or two should it get knocked off that's entirely fine by my lights. and everyone else : have fun with the lisp repl, but don't abuse. 1602236;1484334732;BingoBoingo;In old news, bear food riot http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL22583868 1602237;1484337996;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/womens-march-alienating-white-women-with-platform/ << Qntra - "Women's March" Alienating White Women With Platform 1602238;1484338107;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you have a key for her? 1602239;1484338112;ben_vulpes;!!up candi_lustt 1602240;1484338112;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes. 1602241;1484338113;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KON9K/?raw=true 1602242;1484338114;candi_lustt;deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i4aUD/?raw=true 1602243;1484338132;ben_vulpes;cool 1602244;1484338133;ben_vulpes;(+ 1 1) 1602245;1484338154;ben_vulpes;(say "hi") 1602246;1484338174;phf;(progn *users*) 1602247;1484338174;candi_lustt;("asciilifeform" "ben_vulpes" "bingoboingo" "danielpbarron" "davout" "diana_coman" "hanbot" "jurov" "mike_c" "mircea_popescu" "mod6" "phf" "trinque") 1602248;1484338245;candi_lustt;i'm alive 1602249;1484338384;ben_vulpes;candi_lustt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yXCkU/?raw=true eat 1602250;1484338385;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/v147r/?raw=true 1602251;1484338417;ben_vulpes;(+ 1 1) 1602252;1484338417;candi_lustt;2 1602253;1484338423;ben_vulpes;(paste "butts") 1602254;1484338424;candi_lustt;error: # 1602255;1484338432;ben_vulpes;(mpbot:paste "butts") 1602256;1484338432;candi_lustt;error: # 1602257;1484338439;ben_vulpes;(mpbot::paste "butts") 1602258;1484338440;candi_lustt;"http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ToMuj/?raw=true" 1602259;1484338474;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you have a key for her? 1602260;1484338616;ben_vulpes;(mpbot:paste "butts") 1602261;1484338616;candi_lustt;error: The symbol "PASTE" is not external in the MPBOT package.Line: 1, Column: 72, File-Position: 72Stream: # 1602262;1484338626;ben_vulpes;betta 1602263;1484338710;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: many of your parens escapes did not work in ai post 1602264;1484338738;trinque;ben_vulpes: if you princ that error iirc it wont fart out the format string 1602265;1484338742;ben_vulpes;also http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#selection-3947.0-4087.77 would be worth preserving whitespace in to make the point 1602266;1484338758;ben_vulpes;(mpbot:paste "butts") 1602267;1484338758;candi_lustt;The symbol "PASTE" is not external in the MPBOT package.Line: 1, Column: 72, File-Position: 72Stream: # 1602268;1484338762;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602256 << 1602269;1484338762;a111;Logged on 2017-01-13 20:13 candi_lustt: error: # 1602270;1484338787;phf;(mpbot::paste "butts") 1602271;1484338827;ben_vulpes;deeeeebugger 1602272;1484338837;ben_vulpes;heap exhausted game over 1602273;1484338850;trinque;heap inflation pls 1602274;1484338870;phf;oh somebody mentioned candi_lustt in a message, i think a111, and that triggered mp's code, which in turn has some exciting exponential properties 1602275;1484338883;ben_vulpes;aok 1602276;1484338925;ben_vulpes;> exciting 1602277;1484338948;ben_vulpes;so i guess in five minutes or so i'll restart her when freenode wakes up to the dead socket? 1602278;1484339028;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#identifier_10_71072 << busted 1602279;1484339343;ben_vulpes;standby 2 1602280;1484340247;asciilifeform;in re shannonizer lulz, http://www.onthelambda.com/2014/02/20/how-to-fake-a-sophisticated-knowledge-of-wine-with-markov-chains/ 1602281;1484340397;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/under-pressure-domestic-margin-trading-at-chinese-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-folding/ << Qntra - Under Pressure Domestic Margin Trading At Chinese fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Folding 1602282;1484341958;ben_vulpes;!!up candi_lustt 1602283;1484341958;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes. 1602284;1484341959;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/P87lX/?raw=true 1602285;1484341960;candi_lustt;deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TZkq1/?raw=true 1602286;1484341970;ben_vulpes;(+ 1 1) 1602287;1484341970;candi_lustt;2 1602288;1484342079;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i was thinking she gets upt in half hour intervals 1602289;1484342083;mircea_popescu;no good ? 1602290;1484342176;ben_vulpes;your call really 1602291;1484342202;ben_vulpes;anyone with eval permissions could register the nick, so may as well do it yourself. 1602292;1484342217;mircea_popescu;sluts gonna slut. 1602293;1484342272;mircea_popescu;fixed footnote. lisp dun mix well with the footnote system 1602294;1484342287;ben_vulpes;you're telling me 1602295;1484342305;asciilifeform;iirc i recently tried to mix something entirely else with it, and also got barf 1602296;1484342311;asciilifeform;it was... less-than sign ? 1602297;1484342348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform comments don't allow < semantically because it's the start of a html tag ; articles have problems parsing (( and )) because it's footnote convention 1602298;1484342463;asciilifeform;aah 1602299;1484342544;mircea_popescu;could set the footnote to arbitrary anything, but meh. and i see no good way out of the comment thing, because it ~is~ stuck parsing the comment. 1602300;1484342566;asciilifeform;mp-wp supports footnotes ~in comments~ ?! 1602301;1484343143;mircea_popescu;nah. 1602302;1484343147;mircea_popescu;though it prolly should huh. 1602303;1484343177;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo what the hell does one use to get gap-sealing foam off skin ? my hands look like 'advance leprousy' after two dozen washes with 4+ solvents.. 1602304;1484343178;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1602305;1484343211;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1602306;1484343376;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Has it cured yet? 1602307;1484343384;asciilifeform;of course! 1602308;1484343393;BingoBoingo;And why weren't you using nitrile gloves?! 1602309;1484343395;asciilifeform;and with liberal admixture of dirt and insects 1602310;1484343420;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didn't feel like climbing down from ladder to get'em. 1602311;1484343458;BingoBoingo;Well, sandpaper works 1602312;1484343484;BingoBoingo;acetone sometimes works on hard surfaces... 1602313;1484343490;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yeah, got most of it off with wet sand, still remains the conformal crud. 1602314;1484343496;asciilifeform;acetone failed. 1602315;1484343510;BingoBoingo;Aha, you've got a rather solid cure then 1602316;1484343519;asciilifeform;very solid, a++++ 1602317;1484343532;BingoBoingo;Well pretty much limited to mechanical removal nao 1602318;1484343560;BingoBoingo;Wait 24 hours 1602319;1484343598;BingoBoingo;then try lava soap 1602320;1484343620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just wait. your skin exfoliates naturally, they will come off. 1602321;1484343628;mircea_popescu;WAY better than giving yourself contact dermatitis. 1602322;1484343633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well noshit. is what i normally do. 1602323;1484343647;mircea_popescu;there is ~no good chem solution for your problem as it is. 1602324;1484343648;asciilifeform;q was about 'exists faster method?' 1602325;1484343656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am currently satisfied that this is so. 1602326;1484343664;mircea_popescu;carbon sulfide, which is carcinogenic. 1602327;1484343670;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and funnily enough, first thing i did was (knockoff) lava soap. 1602328;1484343681;asciilifeform;i keep it in the work room. 1602329;1484343688;BingoBoingo;Anyways pumice and time 1602330;1484343691;asciilifeform;(there is no running water there and so it is the only wash..) 1602331;1484343692;candi_lustt;The variable is is unbound. 1602332;1484343700;asciilifeform;lol! how did ^ happen 1602333;1484343705;BingoBoingo;if still tacky you can cover foamskin with powder 1602334;1484343705;asciilifeform;parentheses ?? 1602335;1484343708;asciilifeform;( ) 1602336;1484343708;candi_lustt;nil 1602337;1484343712;asciilifeform;lol 1602338;1484343719;mircea_popescu;aw fuck 1602339;1484343750;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes can it only retort if its name is on the line ? otherwise this will become problematic 1602340;1484343789;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it needs to be fed your brain 1602341;1484343800;ben_vulpes;!!up candi_lustt 1602342;1484343800;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes. 1602343;1484343801;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kQeDo/?raw=true 1602344;1484343801;candi_lustt;deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3IAka/?raw=true 1602345;1484343806;ben_vulpes;^^ 1602346;1484343826;ben_vulpes;if you want a default that'll persist over reboots so she does at least something, i can jam that in there 1602347;1484343852;mircea_popescu;candi_lustt eat http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jO4Hu/?raw=true 1602348;1484343853;candi_lustt;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PSAht/?raw=true 1602349;1484343881;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i don't want her to do anything specifically, but she also can't answer to a single-open-parens control sequence 1602350;1484343897;mircea_popescu;i guess can have !( for it and you wipe ! ? 1602351;1484343925;ben_vulpes;foo(+ 1) 1602352;1484343944;ben_vulpes;can't the lords be trusted to shut her up when they're done playing? 1602353;1484343947;mircea_popescu;(+ 1 "no good") 1602354;1484343947;candi_lustt;The value "no good" is not of type number 1602355;1484343963;asciilifeform;why not have the thing answer to its own name strictly 1602356;1484343963;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes iffy, too promisetronic will cause a bunch of hurt fingers. 1602357;1484343967;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1602358;1484343981;asciilifeform;then no need to switch it on/off, other than for maintenance 1602359;1484343998;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the idea is for this to be a toy-level learn-lisp item ; can't add a "AND IF YOU DO ARCANE THING YOU DIE" coda. 1602360;1484344013;ben_vulpes;hehk 1602361;1484344134;ben_vulpes;!( , yes? 1602362;1484344143;ben_vulpes;if we wanted to be cute it could be ,( 1602363;1484344144;mircea_popescu;sure. 1602364;1484344152;mircea_popescu;nah, stick to ! 1602365;1484344155;ben_vulpes;k 1602366;1484344183;phf;asciilifeform: there are two incompatible eating methods, "eat" function and the ^( mode. i added the latter for my own convenience, because number of times i want to type a sexp is way higher than a literate string that opens with paren. obviously doesn't scale to a channel full of people, who have much less need for a repl bot 1602367;1484344217;asciilifeform;phf et al : i still don't get why not simply candi_lustt (+ 2 2) 1602368;1484344219;candi_lustt;asciilifeform: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BwzNj/?raw=true 1602369;1484344226;asciilifeform;lel 1602370;1484344232;mircea_popescu;phf if usage goes wai up we'll figure something out. 1602371;1484344239;mircea_popescu;so far mostly trying to tease out practical utility. 1602372;1484344289;mircea_popescu;both wanting a clean channel and wanting a repl bot are legitimate wants, neither necessarily has to yield to the other, we see how it goeth. 1602373;1484344373;phf;asciilifeform: just look at the chainstate log. that's how it was. but on one hand it became impractical to prefix every time. and the other reason is that c*ndi_lustt is not a repl bot by original design. "BRAIN" function supposed to take arbitrary text, and process it. in order to actually get to repl you have to use "c*ndi_lustt eat " 1602374;1484344427;mircea_popescu;aha. 1602375;1484344434;ben_vulpes;!(princ "done") 1602376;1484344434;candi_lustt;"done" 1602377;1484344439;asciilifeform;! ((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))))) 1602378;1484344444;mircea_popescu;(+ 2 2) 1602379;1484344444;asciilifeform;!((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))))) 1602380;1484344444;candi_lustt;((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))))) 1602381;1484344450;mircea_popescu;!(+ 2 2) 1602382;1484344450;candi_lustt;4 1602383;1484344452;mircea_popescu;! (+ 2 2) 1602384;1484344459;mircea_popescu;((+ 2 2)) 1602385;1484344466;mircea_popescu;call it good. 1602386;1484344487;ben_vulpes;pls no more fuzzing 1602387;1484344492;mircea_popescu;lol poor vulpes. 1602388;1484344501;mircea_popescu;didja have fun ? 1602389;1484344517;phf;!(loop for i from 1 to 1000 collect i) 1602390;1484344517;candi_lustt;(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 ...) 1602391;1484344547;ben_vulpes;the fun parts were fun, i learned rather a lot, i have a deeper hate of irc than i did a week ago... 1602392;1484344564;mircea_popescu;phf if you feel like it, you can do a weekly lisp class by appointment, look in the log when there's usually holes and intersect with your schedule and there you go. 1602393;1484344593;mircea_popescu;"weds 14:00 to 16:00, phf's lisp class". 1602394;1484344598;ben_vulpes;you only need a phf to teach noobs if the noob is you 1602395;1484344608;mircea_popescu;heh. 1602396;1484344674;mircea_popescu;you laugh ben_vulpes , but consider that a 15yo mp, much more imperious, much less sexually and otherwise pacified, had to go to school. PUBLIC school. 1602397;1484344695;asciilifeform;didn't mircea_popescu only show up for exam day or the like 1602398;1484344714;mircea_popescu;i showed up for ~40% of classes. which was about the most either me or the system could carry. 1602399;1484344718;phf;that's not a bad idea 1602400;1484344719;mircea_popescu;but the teachers were still petrified. 1602401;1484344828;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho at some point we oughta pick up again the 'big city' thread, because the engineering tradeoffs of, e.g., gc, (esp. on hardware that does 0 to help) are very real. 1602402;1484344835;mircea_popescu;go right ahead. 1602403;1484344904;asciilifeform;it isn't even a subj particular to lisp. 1602404;1484344911;mircea_popescu;certainly not. 1602405;1484344914;asciilifeform;imho best thread re same was the 'unix vs msdos' one 1602406;1484344928;asciilifeform;where, yes you can run >1 proggy on 1 box, but there are very real costs. 1602407;1484344941;asciilifeform;they dun get to talk to the iron directly, etc. 1602408;1484344947;mircea_popescu;how's this relate to imperial vs republican big city ? 1602409;1484344976;asciilifeform;well that's what i'd like to study from mircea_popescu . 1602410;1484344987;asciilifeform;because 'republican city' is not a subj i am deeply familiar with. 1602411;1484345005;asciilifeform;i only know 2 types of city -- today's, and stereotypical-medieval 1602412;1484345017;asciilifeform;in the latter, you dump shit out of window, and rivers of piss fill the streets 1602413;1484345040;mircea_popescu;it's not clear to me that any engineering issues are in fact involved. all i see are purely psychogenic issues improperly welded to the foregoing. you don't need nor can have any meaningful implementation of "public servicves", not ever. getting oneself to believe the contrary is a strange exercise in contorsionism 1602414;1484345055;asciilifeform;what's the sewer then 1602415;1484345060;asciilifeform;or the water. 1602416;1484345063;mircea_popescu;there are known from history many numerous models of cities. 1602417;1484345088;asciilifeform;will tell me that rome's aqueduct was not 'public service' ? is 'public service' only idiot traffic cop ? 1602418;1484345095;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when i had you define "public good" you said "endlessly abundant item". this is nonsense, nothing is endlessly abundant. 1602419;1484345104;asciilifeform;when'd i say 'endless' 1602420;1484345118;asciilifeform;said 'ad libitum', i.e. not individually+transactionally dispensed 1602421;1484345128;mircea_popescu; 'available ad libitum to those within the walls' << this means there's an infinite supply. 1602422;1484345145;asciilifeform;only if you have a miniature black hole, with endless appetite, in your city. 1602423;1484345167;mircea_popescu;this is a fiction, which may be convenient for personal reasons. but nothing is like this. note above : we have an infinity of chatlines, literally, avaailable each day. nevertheless, the bot is vaguely constrained. 1602424;1484345189;mircea_popescu;"if it looks like it's running out, we'll do something about it." 1602425;1484345191;asciilifeform;we do not however have an infinite of brain cycles. hence banishments of low snr folk etc 1602426;1484345192;mircea_popescu;ie, not qs. 1602427;1484345211;mircea_popescu;yes. nothing can be qs, not in this world, which is why your definition of "public good" is not a definition. 1602428;1484345261;mircea_popescu;(qs i will remind stands for quantum sufficit, or else satiem. satiem is the word that gave sated. the presumption here, etymologically-amusing as it is, is that something can be qs only if there's no "black hole" of appetite. mmkay.) 1602429;1484345291;mircea_popescu;this is also how banking works, "you can have all the money you don't need you could wish -- but don't ask for money when you need it!" 1602430;1484345293;asciilifeform;qs is exactly what i was thinking! ty mircea_popescu 1602431;1484345311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform used to be written on medicine bottles. back before medicine became rationalized. 1602432;1484345327;asciilifeform;and yes it is a somewhat promisetronic thing. no need even to go as far as bank. go an' see what happens if you want 1000 amps from your mains connection. 1602433;1484345332;asciilifeform;on short notice. 1602434;1484345347;mircea_popescu;ok so then. stop using strings for concepts. what do you mean by "public good" ? 1602435;1484345412;asciilifeform;perhaps: item that is impractical to withhold from freeloaders, but nevertheless must be paid for. 1602436;1484345464;mircea_popescu;ie, bullets ? 1602437;1484345497;asciilifeform;in the sense of 'bullets will fly but whether you paid determines the direction' ? 1602438;1484345505;asciilifeform;not quite what i had in mind, no. 1602439;1484345512;mircea_popescu;no, in the sense it's impractical to not shoot them, but still the bullet is produced. 1602440;1484345555;asciilifeform;this is somewhat arcane and my gas mask is clogged, can haz expanded ver plz. 1602441;1484345562;*;mircea_popescu looks at kresty prison overhead pic, notices that building set on its right is painted in international color of courthouse. mmkay. 1602442;1484345595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was just observing shooting is a public good by your definition. not practical to keep it from freeloaders, still has a cost. 1602443;1484345661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: shooting thieves in the street, or rabid weasels, etc. definitely 'public good' -- they remain dead for all the misers who hadn't paid for exterminator service aha 1602444;1484345681;mircea_popescu;i was thinking more in the lines of, shooting obama. puts him out of his misery of pretending like he's a person. 1602445;1484345687;mircea_popescu;going to all that trouble etc. 1602446;1484345692;asciilifeform;any rabid weasel works equally well for this one. 1602447;1484345696;asciilifeform;large, small. 1602448;1484345706;mircea_popescu;yes, except the rabid weasel does not seem to WANT this public good. 1602449;1484345712;asciilifeform;noshit. 1602450;1484345721;asciilifeform;if shit could talk, it probably would not want to be flushed either. 1602451;1484345726;mircea_popescu;which is somewhat counterintuitive. so i was examining if you're going to stick with the definition or redefine in face of it. 1602452;1484345750;asciilifeform;it doesn't strike me as counterintuitive at all, is actually the exact thing i was thinking of. 1602453;1484345764;asciilifeform;clean street, or dead politicians, etc. remain 'working' for the nonpaying folx. 1602454;1484345766;mircea_popescu;yes, but what does it mean "it's not practical to withhold" ? 1602455;1484345789;asciilifeform;well you can't , afaik, set up world where the payers get to live obummer-free but the cheapskates get another 8 yrs of him. 1602456;1484345800;mircea_popescu;(i beg forgiveness if i just snap yoru words to classical discourse on the topic, it's for the greater good) 1602457;1484345811;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ? split up. 1602458;1484345842;asciilifeform;if you can properly and surgically cut it, and sell piecemeal, then it is not 'public good' but normal workaday commercial good. 1602459;1484345857;*;mircea_popescu would pay to see in practice the equivalent of salic electoral law, considering how lulzily salic inheritance worked irl. enough of this angevin bs. you vote in electiosn, then each side gets half the country. and so going each 4 years. 1602460;1484345864;mircea_popescu;soon enough, 1024 countries of manageable size. 1602461;1484345885;asciilifeform;sorta like how monkey troopy divvy up the jungle, neh 1602462;1484345891;asciilifeform;iirc africa presently works like this. 1602463;1484345892;mircea_popescu;more or less yea 1602464;1484345898;asciilifeform;and sooner or later the other africa also will. 1602465;1484345900;asciilifeform;just -- not yet. 1602466;1484345915;mircea_popescu;in the absence of a forum, it's the only workable way. 1602467;1484345929;mircea_popescu;which brings the problem back home : most of the problems you discuss have a huge language externality. 1602468;1484345945;asciilifeform;forum! another publicgood. 1602469;1484345950;mircea_popescu;take fucking. the women are pregnant for all, irrespective how many fuck them. 1602470;1484345962;mircea_popescu;yet somehow THIS particular public good is never too problematic 1602471;1484345989;asciilifeform;sunlight is ~the~ good but also not problematic, because it dun give a fuck whether anyone asked for it or not, and there is no credit card slot to pay into for it. 1602472;1484346007;asciilifeform;just as you also do not have to pay for arithmetic to work. 1602473;1484346008;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact, whether mp alone is repsonsible for half us live births this year, like it works in africa / oceania ; or not -- live births there will be. 1602474;1484346014;asciilifeform;so these are not 'public goods' as contemplated here. 1602475;1484346026;mircea_popescu;well... you will need a new definition then 1602476;1484346034;asciilifeform;why? 1602477;1484346044;asciilifeform;i did mention 'but still has to be paid for' 1602478;1484346051;mircea_popescu;what do you mean why. because you want to exclude items that match it. 1602479;1484346061;mircea_popescu;fucking is paid for. 1602480;1484346073;mircea_popescu;and depends how you define "paid for", sun may also be. 1602481;1484346078;asciilifeform;if it will happen just the same if not paid for , then does not match condition 'must be paid for' 1602482;1484346083;mircea_popescu;the price for its light is a definite limit in time ; it will eventually grow hot. 1602483;1484346104;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems dubious. 1602484;1484346363;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602276 << lol. they're FACTORIAL not exponential. plox to be serious here, no exp can match this. 1602485;1484346363;a111;Logged on 2017-01-13 20:22 ben_vulpes: > exciting 1602486;1484346380;mircea_popescu;as good a statement as any re why moore law can't ever produce ai. 1602487;1484346425;asciilifeform;^ doesn't seem like a notion in particularly dire need of disproof tho. just as 'why bricks cannot birth rats' 1602488;1484346466;mircea_popescu;yes. but i think it's very informative to examine it from angles. 1602489;1484346663;asciilifeform;( re 'public good', the removal of the 'great stink' from 1850s london, by the construction of the -- very costly -- sewer system, finest at the time in the world, is imho instructive. they DID first try every possible method of 'eliminate the problem strictly for mircea_popescu !' -- parliament soaked curtains in lime, folx walked around with cloth masks, etc. but eventually queen barfed when sailing in pleasure boat, and that was t 1602490;1484346663;asciilifeform;he limit, apparently ) 1602491;1484346710;mircea_popescu;london sewer was not by any means first in world ; but how do you distinguish between the l1 of london building sewer and ben_vulpes making me slut bot ? 1602492;1484346725;asciilifeform;def. not first! 1602493;1484346727;asciilifeform;rome -- 1st. 1602494;1484346727;mircea_popescu;"why didn;t they do it sooner!" "cuz they didn't feel like it!" "but why did they do it at all!" "cuz they felt like it!" 1602495;1484346738;asciilifeform;and iirc rome got one for ~same reason. 1602496;1484346740;mircea_popescu;ah finest. i read first soz. 1602497;1484348482;ben_vulpes;wyrdmantis: that's three reconnects today, stoppit 1602498;1484349363;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/rogue-one#comment-144 << sadly i have nfi who that is. 1602499;1484349553;ben_vulpes;star wars arcana 1602500;1484349586;*;asciilifeform somehow happened upon http://www.romanianwriters.ro/book.php?id=14 1602501;1484349606;asciilifeform;'In one queue (assembled by the well known false alarm of “the meat lorry is coming,” which used to bring people out from all over the place, causing them scurry about like ants), my seventy‑five year‑old grandfather stood for twelve hours : on the street corner from six in the morning until six in the evening. When he got home, with an empty bag (that day, the lorry had not turned up), he started to feel unwell, leaned on th 1602502;1484349607;asciilifeform;e bed and collapsed. This former interbellic country gentleman – vineyard owner and horse breeder in the foothills of the Leaota Mountain, denounced by a friend, arrested and beaten by the Securitate in the time of Dej because he had hidden some “cockerels” – had now exhausted all his energy for the sake of a bit of meat on the bone. Later, struck down with sclerosis and bedridden with semi‑paralysis, he was to come round o 1602503;1484349607;asciilifeform;nce every few days, to ask the family he had once provided for : “Bread ? Is there bread ?”' 1602504;1484350817;asciilifeform;elsewhere, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7294 << shitlang lulz ( via jurov ) 1602505;1484350911;asciilifeform;from comments, lulzgold, 'The Hivemind is fully committed to systemd for service management, Wayland for graphical display, and PulseAudio for audio, which is why it doesn’t matter if you personally find them distasteful, they will become the de facto standard. For systems programming, Rust looks increasingly like it will be the Hivemind’s choice to replace C, as it has the backing of the Mozilla organization, is being used for r 1602506;1484350911;asciilifeform;eal work (the servo engine), and meets the necessary criteria of being a strongly-typed, non-GC’d, safe, bit-level language that supports generic programming.' 1602507;1484352474;*;mircea_popescu tried to watch "her", which supposedly is a movie. it is not. it's a fucking "movie 2.0". it's like these contemptible imbeciles agreed everything in cinema must have rounded corners now. the same inept muzak, a dude on a cello or a piano or a single instrument going SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE. this is now music. 1602508;1484352502;mircea_popescu;the same fucking BEIGE. everything gotta be beige, that's how you know it's the future. the same inept fucking "actors", the same literotica-level scripts, the same blergh. 1602509;1484352511;mircea_popescu;fucking drop dead already, bollywood's better by now. 1602510;1484352545;asciilifeform;watching glue dry is better nao. 1602511;1484352595;mircea_popescu;a decade ago this shit used to be a bad joke at best. now it's all the maga that's left. 1602512;1484352658;mircea_popescu;re the soros book : it's not terrible, there's a certain political bent to it but i expect you're immune. like how human doesn't catch most rat viral strains. 1602513;1484352697;asciilifeform;actually that was my primary interest in linked piece. ~which strain!~ 1602514;1484352714;mircea_popescu;this is high arcana. 1602515;1484352743;asciilifeform;'soros' half-gives it away 1602516;1484352755;asciilifeform;but i'd like to know how. 1602517;1484352763;mircea_popescu;not exactly ; there's a particular vein of competent orc being developed here. 1602518;1484352830;mircea_popescu;roughly speaking the gambit would be described as "knowledge is evil in that it bestows power, only through neutering the power element may it be rendered pure", something after this fashion. 1602519;1484352894;asciilifeform;nao i'm really curious. how, for instance, does one make, e.g., an arithmetic, with 'neutered power element' but still in some sense 'knowledge' ? 1602520;1484352985;mircea_popescu;well, it's complicated. and obviously nonsensical on the face of it, which is why it's being approached very gingerly. and also why the poster child of the whole movement, its sam altman if you will, is this ex physicist turned "philosopher". 1602521;1484352990;mircea_popescu;turned being the operative word. 1602522;1484353002;mircea_popescu;!#s patapievici 1602523;1484353003;a111;1 result for "patapievici", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=patapievici 1602524;1484353010;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure i mentioned him before. 1602525;1484353104;asciilifeform;aha, the voice synth thread 1602526;1484353127;mircea_popescu;right, for sure ; possibly before. 1602527;1484353174;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's impossible to hide the albright from any of this. but then again they don't specifically aim to hide it from us, secure in the knowledge that the orcs it's addresses to entirely lack the receptors in the first place. which is true. 1602528;1484353208;asciilifeform;it has ~same flavour as various material intended for ru orc export in '90s and now, yes 1602529;1484353228;mircea_popescu;russian stuff was somewhat finer. 1602530;1484353235;asciilifeform;naaaah 1602531;1484353242;mircea_popescu;or maybe just i don't read it so well. 1602532;1484353245;asciilifeform;it was ~all 'gulag gulag gulag and oh hey didjaknow gulag?' 1602533;1484353298;asciilifeform;'we, people of mcdonalds, blue jeans, and 'terminator', shall teach you, gulag monkeys, how to live' 1602534;1484353321;mircea_popescu;that's a different thing. 1602535;1484353393;mircea_popescu;i find it quite amusing that esr tried to do ~exactly what i just did, except with much more rudimentary tools and with much less interesting results. idiots living among idiots ALSO has a cost eh. 1602536;1484353397;asciilifeform;it is interesting, more so they made it for ~themselves~ than even for the orcs. you go to a 'hip' washington b00kstore, and 'russia' section, 100% gulag, with a few ivan iv. 1602537;1484353437;asciilifeform;and maybe 1 or 2 about peter and how he liked to chop heads. 1602538;1484353438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes ; moreover i'm talking about a very specific "intellectual" thing. not in any sense intended for mass consumption. intended for perenity. 1602539;1484353493;asciilifeform;oh, yes, not at all for 'masss', for mass -- 'terminator', 'star wars'. 1602540;1484353505;mircea_popescu;afaik it spawned actually straight out of the whole "hide caches of $stuff in yurp" programme. 1602541;1484353513;asciilifeform;(incidentally in ru net it is not uncommon to meet with derisive reference to american soldier, 'jedi') 1602542;1484353521;asciilifeform;gladio?! 1602543;1484353521;mircea_popescu;same resources, same offices even in places. same people, mostly. 1602544;1484353522;asciilifeform;lol! 1602545;1484353542;asciilifeform;and yes, brzezinski et al 1602546;1484353545;mircea_popescu;intelligladio. 1602547;1484353584;mircea_popescu;there's intelligentsia and intelliglantsia. both equally bankrupt pseudointellectual endeavours, although on superficial examination "opposite". therefore, lettuce teach the controversy! 1602548;1484353599;mircea_popescu;that right there is the whole shebang in one reference-ladden sentence. 1602549;1484353654;mircea_popescu;and fwiw my reading of orlov is very much in this vein, which is how he keeps evaluating to below 0 in my hands. perhaps counterintuitively for more neutral readers. 1602550;1484353700;asciilifeform;i'm considerably more immediately allergic to his strange cocktail of 'noble savage' luddism, enviro-whinerism 1602551;1484353733;mircea_popescu;i don't care about stupidity per se ; organised stupidity of any kind however is a different matter. 1602552;1484353749;asciilifeform;ah but this type is quite certainly organized. 1602553;1484353760;asciilifeform;(the organized-deindustrialization thread) 1602554;1484353788;mircea_popescu;we might mean different things by organised. i don't mean what is meant by "systematizing" in eg "systematizing delusion" 1602555;1484353808;mircea_popescu;at issue isn't whether they're systematic or systemic ; but whether they're projective. 1602556;1484353866;asciilifeform;he devotes, for instance, entire chapter to defending 'fission power is -ev' by... guess... counting 'regulatory cost' as a constant! as if it were fact of nature 1602557;1484353909;mircea_popescu;heh 1602558;1484353926;mircea_popescu;what's with all the idiots counting "regulatory cost" as a thing in the first place ? 1602559;1484353942;asciilifeform;and, somehow half-admitting that this is crock of shit, proceeds to factor in 1,001-year waste storage cost as constant! also! as if killing bureaucrats has to be expensive (use barges with drowning-hatches, say) and for fuck's sake breeder reactor. 1602560;1484353963;asciilifeform;but he carries on in this project to convince audience, by lying through omission, that no such thing was ever invented 1602561;1484353964;mircea_popescu;usg came up with idea of hiding the tax burden under spurious headings, dorks imported it somehow. then ten years later "obamacare is not a tax". sa mori tu ? 1602562;1484354027;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform random nonsense aside, i also don't believe fusion is +ev in a practical sense. obviously if you can be arsed to gather together enough hydrogen you get your own star for free. but that's about it. 1602563;1484354029;asciilifeform;folx from whom 'the sense of being stolen from was stolen', develop these peculiar leprosies 1602564;1484354069;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no +ev controlled fusion had ever been discovered, or even proposed on any kind of logical foundation, afaik. 1602565;1484354080;mircea_popescu;right. 1602566;1484354089;asciilifeform;fission, however, is easily 10,001 yrs +ev if you kill the orlovs and the soroses. 1602567;1484354105;mircea_popescu;wait, he was discussing... fission ?! 1602568;1484354110;asciilifeform;aha! 1602569;1484354113;mircea_popescu;o ffs. 1602570;1484354131;mircea_popescu;there is ~no source of energy available in any sense outside of that. 1602571;1484354143;mircea_popescu;either sunbathe or nuclear reactor. end of story. 1602572;1484354171;asciilifeform;orlov is a (sometimes entertaining) stooge, but not of moscow. of 'agenda 21' or whatever it is called now. 1602573;1484354173;asciilifeform;turner's thing. 1602574;1484354204;mircea_popescu;the cnn-made alt-"putin" that the us invaded itself by ? 1602575;1484354221;asciilifeform;the nyt-made alt-stalin. but approx., yes. 1602576;1484354299;asciilifeform;i will omit the 'genetically modified evils' chapter, to preserve appetites 1602577;1484354339;mircea_popescu;it's funny how each little churchlet of the "reason&science" persuasion has a very carefully not named devil or two.\ 1602578;1484354352;asciilifeform;(it contained the familiar ~deliberate~, not at all a result of intellectual sloppiness, conflation, of 'genetically modified' and 'monsanto') 1602579;1484354353;mircea_popescu;"evil ai" or "genetically modified" or you know, something. 1602580;1484354388;asciilifeform;aha. cast out them devils. but also don't forget to cast out the pennies in yer pockets, your reactors, diesel engines, and give'em all to $huckster. 1602581;1484354403;asciilifeform;because mother gaia cries. 1602582;1484354414;mircea_popescu;i think i might have heard this play before. 1602583;1484354462;asciilifeform;fwiw i think he enjoys playing the circle of idiots he 'works' in meatspace. (the funkenstein_ types). 1602584;1484354522;mircea_popescu;what type is that ? 1602585;1484354540;asciilifeform;he devotes page+ to how important it is that people carry fleas again. and how important to bring back shamanic medicines 'in time for inevitable disappearance of pharma industry'. i'd quite like to begin with orlov, and his wife, son 1602586;1484354554;mircea_popescu;wtf fleas ? what ? 1602587;1484354557;asciilifeform;yes, fleas. 1602588;1484354579;mircea_popescu;because why, the only pick-up line he knows comes from dunne ? 1602589;1484354583;asciilifeform;something 'wasted potential for carrying parasite load' something 1602590;1484354590;asciilifeform;and who knows, even that, possible. 1602591;1484354600;mircea_popescu;"how little that which thoud deniest me is!" 1602592;1484354609;asciilifeform;'and larger fleas, to go on !' 1602593;1484354614;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. wasted potential to what ? 1602594;1484354641;asciilifeform;iirc it was re 'potential' to exist in crowded, low-tech hovels without complaint, or the like 1602595;1484354652;asciilifeform;'potential' to 'use fewer resources' 1602596;1484354657;mircea_popescu;there is no crowded low tech. 1602597;1484354666;asciilifeform;why not then put them in mass grave, even fewer resources. 1602598;1484354697;asciilifeform;ah i oughta add that he was praising the traditional ru peasant hut. crowded lowtech. 1602599;1484354705;mircea_popescu;such bizarro notions. really, because dork can't think it then follows that mp can't be right and nature will go out of its way to accomodate ? 1602600;1484354713;mircea_popescu;density is a function of tech and strictly that. 1602601;1484354723;asciilifeform;sit 'round smoky fire all winter long in windowless hell, you, mother-in-law, and the livestock. 1602602;1484354737;mircea_popescu;which is this ru crowded low tech thing ? 1602603;1484354752;mircea_popescu;i seem to recall early modern ru having one of the lowest capita per area of all the world. 1602604;1484354763;asciilifeform;who the fuck cares 'per area' of forest 1602605;1484354768;mircea_popescu;um. 1602606;1484354772;asciilifeform;we're talking bodies-per-square-metre-of-indoors. 1602607;1484354784;mircea_popescu;why did you get the idea ru peasant spent time "indoors" ? 1602608;1484354794;asciilifeform;because there is this thing called winter. 1602609;1484354801;mircea_popescu;even so. 1602610;1484354842;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, but it was always ~that~ part that turned my stomach, reading about olden timez. 1602611;1484354848;asciilifeform;winter with the goats. 1602612;1484354852;mod6;evenin' 1602613;1484354856;mircea_popescu;heya mod6 1602614;1484354863;asciilifeform;evenin,mod6! 1602615;1484354870;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think your reading there maps more to feeling than to history. 1602616;1484354901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no contest. 1st rule of history vs feeling, is that the folx who inhabited 'history', largely didn't give half a fuck 1602617;1484354904;asciilifeform;which is why we're here. 1602618;1484354914;mircea_popescu;myeah 1602619;1484354965;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> "weds 14:00 to 16:00, phf's lisp class". << this would be pretty cool actually. i'd attend if I could get the timing right... 1602620;1484354982;mircea_popescu;i figure if he sticks to it people will slowly migrate their schedules. 1602621;1484354994;mod6;Yah, probably so. 1602622;1484355020;asciilifeform;1400 which time belt..? 1602623;1484355046;mod6;While implementing automated tests for the wot-variant changes for V (99994) last night, I ran into an issue. 1602624;1484355055;mircea_popescu;i picked a random number, not to be taken seriously 1602625;1484355118;mod6;I've created some new tests and all of which have been looking good. But then I noticed what seems like a problem on the last, new test, to implement. In fact, it was the last step of the last new test. 1602626;1484355127;mircea_popescu;specifix ? 1602627;1484355215;mod6;So basically, the deal is, that when using TRB, I have one user in my wot, say "mod6", and I drop out a vpatch from the flow, say "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch" by moving it's seal to "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch.mod6.sig.foobar", then I expected a few things to happen. 1602628;1484355245;mod6;Referring to this DAG: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1602629;1484355266;mircea_popescu;ok 1602630;1484355276;mod6;I expected "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch""asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch", and "asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatch" to be removed from the flow. 1602631;1484355292;mircea_popescu;because they depend on the foregoing 1602632;1484355297;mod6;Yeah. 1602633;1484355321;mod6;Now, my flow, as currently coded in V (99994) actually does exactly what I expected above. ^ 1602634;1484355330;mircea_popescu;cool 1602635;1484355354;mod6;However, when I try to press, I realize that this is actually incorrect, or I ~think~ it is incorrect. 1602636;1484355393;mircea_popescu;whyssat 1602637;1484355414;mod6;You see, when I've tested this in a single edge graph system -- a simple test vpatch set, this problem doesn't occur. a->b->c->d->e, remove 'c', and you just have a->b -- my current implemntation does this fine. 1602638;1484355427;mircea_popescu;aha 1602639;1484355429;mod6;So, the problem. 1602640;1484355445;mod6;This vpatch can not press correctly: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch 1602641;1484355474;mod6;Even though the flow is correct, it depends on changes that are no longer there for files such as init.cpp... 1602642;1484355504;mircea_popescu;uh 1602643;1484355556;mod6;So basically what I'm seeing is that, once I discover my proper decendants, I also need to reverse check the graph for ~existing~ antecedents to ensure that a proper press can happen. 1602644;1484355557;mircea_popescu;on trying to check out phf 's nice graph i discover btcbase.org/patches redirects, to btcbase.org/patches/nil 1602645;1484355567;mircea_popescu;what was teh link ? 1602646;1484355598;mod6;His graph doesn't show all of the edges, and as this correctly highlights, I believe to be less than perfect. 1602647;1484355622;mircea_popescu;hm 1602648;1484355628;mod6;Since this is a multi-edge edge case (for lack of a better way to put it), this happens. 1602649;1484355679;mod6;There is an edge betwee"bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch" and "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" which causes my V to think that "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" still belongs in the flow. 1602650;1484355703;mircea_popescu;mod6 is your presser looking for "one" vs "all" antecedents ? 1602651;1484355717;mod6;And for that one edge, it does make sense, but since that vpatch changes more than one file, this causes a problem when the files being changed do not aligh. 1602652;1484355720;mod6;*align 1602653;1484355764;mod6;So my code finds all the decendants, then topographically sorts them. Then press based on the flow. 1602654;1484355789;mod6;So I'm thinking that I need to add an additional check to ensure that every vpatch has a corresponding, existing, antecedent in the current flow. 1602655;1484355798;mircea_popescu;theoretically the patch you indicate only depends on zap_showmyip 1602656;1484355815;mircea_popescu;and if that's not pressed (as you removed its seal), then this shouldn't either. 1602657;1484355848;mod6;ah, since there are more than one graph edge, it must be clobbered as well, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch", I mean. 1602658;1484355859;mod6;(and anything else that depends on init.cpp downstream from that as well) 1602659;1484355873;mircea_popescu;well its antecedent is clearly "asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatch" 1602660;1484355877;mod6;and "net.cpp" 1602661;1484355880;mircea_popescu;if that's removed from the flow, how could it still press 1602662;1484355954;mod6;so technically, yeah, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" has four antecedents. 1602663;1484355989;mod6;and removal of one doesn't, in my current implementation, ensure it's removal, as there are three other antecedents for this. 1602664;1484356010;mircea_popescu;yeah but you should do "all" rather than "any" 1602665;1484356013;mod6;so I propose that I need to ensure of its removal by reverse checking every decendants antecedents. 1602666;1484356027;mircea_popescu;a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present 1602667;1484356073;mod6;aha, got it. 1602668;1484356099;mod6;this makes sense in theory, and mechanically because otherwise, unable to press. 1602669;1484356100;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, me reads " Eric, a year ago I came to similar conclusions. Watching the chaos on the mailing lists and IRC channel,", proceeds to join #rust, is shocked by the sound of utter silence. maybe the guy meant join/part spam, who knows. nice going anyway. 1602670;1484356170;mod6;Anyway, wanted to spend a few minutes elaborating on my latest battles; I'm making progress, but still need some time to get it straightend out. 1602671;1484356186;mircea_popescu;which are the 4 antecedents for my curiosity ? 1602672;1484356198;mod6;Once I have that part correct, will update and continue wrapping up the automated tests. Then further testing will begin, etc. 1602673;1484356205;mod6;one sec. 1602674;1484356320;mod6;bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch, asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatchasciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatchgenesis.vpatch 1602675;1484356342;mod6;whoops, missed a space & comma above 1602676;1484356346;mircea_popescu;i don't get how you built this list, fwiw. 1602677;1484356358;mod6;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZcTCa/?raw=true 1602678;1484356385;mircea_popescu;either it depends on the whole tree up to it, ie genesis, asciilifeform.1, rm_rf, asciilifeform.2, asciilifeform.4, dnsseed_snip, zap_hardcoded 1602679;1484356389;mircea_popescu;or else just on the last one. 1602680;1484356394;mircea_popescu;how did you end up with 4 ?! 1602681;1484356438;mircea_popescu;and i thought win-32 is actually a codependency for ver_now_5_4 alongside thermonyukyoolar. 1602682;1484356451;mod6;so those four, are vpatches that touch the same files that "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" touches. 1602683;1484356466;mircea_popescu;well yes but this isn't necessarily a criterion is it ? 1602684;1484356493;mod6;i don't know how the mechanical hash matching would work otherwise. 1602685;1484356496;mircea_popescu;oh i see what you did! 1602686;1484356509;mircea_popescu;ok so you pruned the theoretical tree for only things that touch same file. ok, makes sense in my head now 1602687;1484356519;mod6;Ok :] 1602688;1484356529;mircea_popescu;yeh yeh right you are. 1602689;1484356636;mircea_popescu;ahahaha steve klabnik. roflmao where the fuck do they dredge up all the amir taakis 1602690;1484356716;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : blog.rust-lang.org went away. there is a https://archive.is/pwdGh however. 1602691;1484356763;mod6;mircea_popescu: thanks for talking me through it though. Even though for some out there, this might be painfully obvious stuff, but it's not, at least for me. So it's worth going over in detail. 1602692;1484356777;mircea_popescu;hey, it's not for me either, so the sentiment is mutual. 1602693;1484356833;mod6;I'll work on getting axiom into place in the code, will update further if I hit another issue or need further discussion/direction: 1602694;1484356836;mod6;asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch 1602695;1484356839;mod6;bah 1602696;1484356846;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present << this. 1602697;1484356861;mod6;o7 1602698;1484356907;mircea_popescu;aha 1602699;1484357308;mircea_popescu;aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t 1602700;1484357309;mircea_popescu;o mention ancient strongholds of usgism such as kock-gpg, tor or (again) openssl are being butchered left and right. the attempted anti-bitcoins failed to catch on. 1602701;1484357329;mircea_popescu;situation is fucking dire and the winter is coming, in the sense of it being late november, there's frosts at night. 1602702;1484357341;mircea_popescu;MAKE LIBERTARD PROGRE GREAT AGAIN!!11 1602703;1484357365;mod6;haha 1602704;1484357412;mircea_popescu;yeah, really. mozilla hanging on to dear life, mostly through its actual workspace having been cannibalized by google at great expense, because holy shit people are going to give up "web" altogether and nobody cares about the tablets in the long run. 1602705;1484357491;mircea_popescu;all the bad hbo productions cranking up to 11 a theoretical future in which everything is "mobile" and "intelligent" by default ain't gonna make the fad not be a fad. 1602706;1484357843;asciilifeform;mod6: afaik the 'edge case' here behaves 100% correctly in my vtron. 1602707;1484357869;asciilifeform;you gotta check the antecedents recursively, as i did. 1602708;1484357896;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602666 << YES!! 1602709;1484357896;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 01:07 mircea_popescu: a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present 1602710;1484357903;mod6;aha. 1602711;1484357919;mod6;sounds good alf. 1602712;1484357947;mircea_popescu;recursion sounds like perfectly workable aproach yes 1602713;1484357951;mod6;The good news is, it sounds like we're all aligned on this. 1602714;1484358017;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602699 << joke, joke, but go an' download a nonbastardized cd-installable linux. 1602715;1484358017;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 01:28 mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t 1602716;1484358037;trinque;alpine linux is still pretty good 1602717;1484358048;asciilifeform;so from their pov 'it's our way or highway', 'systemd, winblows, crapple, or go write own device drivers' 1602718;1484358049;trinque;but there are only a few gems out there left 1602719;1484358060;trinque;alpine is musltronic even. 1602720;1484358062;asciilifeform;trinque: what's its package system like ? 1602721;1484358090;asciilifeform;can i install x11tronic emacs ? 1602722;1484358093;asciilifeform;..without dbus ? 1602723;1484358107;trinque;nah, anyone wanting that level of control, straight to gentoo 1602724;1484358109;trinque;only way 1602725;1484358116;asciilifeform;trinque: even on gentoo, nontrivial. 1602726;1484358130;asciilifeform;but my q was in re 'does it properly ban the poetteringization' 1602727;1484358131;trinque;aha, upstream tightens the web of interdependencies by the day 1602728;1484358149;asciilifeform;a respectable linux will include a knife for mercilessly cutting through this 'web'. 1602729;1484358156;asciilifeform;gentoo at one point could have been described this way. 1602730;1484358183;asciilifeform;(today, only mine, and trinque's, and maybe 5 other d00dz have 'personal' gentoos that still behave this way. fueled with unicorn cunt juice.) 1602731;1484358237;asciilifeform;i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely 1602732;1484358264;whaack;mircea when you got a sec could you give me a Eulora account? 1602733;1484358272;asciilifeform;i.e. thing was less sanitary, by long shot, than the shoddiest gentoo. 1602734;1484358294;*;asciilifeform bbl 1602735;1484358305;trinque;I have still on my disk a semi-working portage on openbsd 1602736;1484358322;trinque;but have a hard time justifying the effort to myself any more than other half-measures. 1602737;1484358345;trinque;started reading the python source for portage, barfed. 1602738;1484358799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why tge fuck would i DOWNLOAD it! wtf am i, new ? this is like going "go google something and see if you can find something besides wikipedia". dude... srsly, i'm googling things now ? let me try this, oh, let's google "mathematics" see what happens, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE 1602739;1484358800;mircea_popescu;ffs. 1602740;1484358816;mircea_popescu;there's no future for english speaking children. we knew this already. 1602741;1484358916;mircea_popescu;whaack oh didn't you have one already ? 1602742;1484358950;whaack;i asked for one a long time ago but i never got the game working and didn't save the dpaste message unfortunately 1602743;1484358979;mircea_popescu;... 1602744;1484359047;mircea_popescu;whaack http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QIKmG/?raw=true 1602745;1484359241;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is 'download', and there is 'distill from unicorn juice', and i suppose there is, in mircea_popescu's case, 3rd button on the dial, 'ask friend to do it'. but i do not know of a 4th button. 1602746;1484359270;whaack;ty 1602747;1484359435;mircea_popescu;how about "i have disks from before 2016 because I WAS NOT BORN YESTERDAY" 1602748;1484359480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for so long as you don't attempt install of ANYTHING not found on selfsame disks -- worx 1602749;1484359506;asciilifeform;in ~that~ sense, my copy of os/2 warp still worx. 1602750;1484359584;mircea_popescu;"for as long as you weren't born yesterday, not being born yesterday worx". 1602751;1484359600;mircea_popescu;wtf would i install ? "oh i wonder what these new things called ides are, how about i install one and try it out" 1602752;1484359608;asciilifeform;mno 1602753;1484359609;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is there i may not know about and wish to have ? list ? 1602754;1484359620;asciilifeform;eulora? 1602755;1484359631;mircea_popescu;eulora is very carefully engineered to work properly. 1602756;1484359643;mircea_popescu;and will work properli-er in future. 1602757;1484359669;asciilifeform;it'll build on my student-era bsd 4.7? 1602758;1484359676;*;asciilifeform a bit skeptical 1602759;1484359695;trinque;guy said before 2016... 1602760;1484359708;mircea_popescu;this is what you work on, "student era bsd 4.7" ? 1602761;1484359721;asciilifeform;eh that's too easy and includes most of the extant crapola, trinque 1602762;1484359752;mircea_popescu;point is - either you're an adult or you aren't. if you're an adult you don't find out where your asshole goes from googling assholes. if you're not an adult there is no hope for you anyway, no matter what. 1602763;1484359760;mircea_popescu;there's nothing that'll turn taaki into a human being. 1602764;1484359801;mircea_popescu;so the point is essentially moot. yes, if anyone gave a shit "they'd form their whole worldview through watching cnn". the problem is that the people watching cnn aren't goingto ever form a worldview anyway, and the people who will ever have formed a worldview don't watch it. 1602765;1484359809;mircea_popescu;so it's a bit of a pointless victory of the imaginary kind. 1602766;1484359815;asciilifeform;to briefly revisit my actual complaint re openbsd -- if i want emacs but NOT dbus, i am reduced to, more or less, 'make own unix', rather than using openbsd as such. 1602767;1484359830;asciilifeform;and yes, ~adult~ knows how to do this 1602768;1484359835;asciilifeform;but life is short. 1602769;1484359845;trinque;not an entirely accurate picture of it 1602770;1484359858;trinque;it didn't take me longer than 5min to copy the openbsd emacs makefile and remove everything I didn't want 1602771;1484359868;trinque;the ports makefile system is pretty clear 1602772;1484359894;trinque;it does lack the "dbus is haram" across packages, which is certainly an omission. 1602773;1484359919;asciilifeform;'surgery on makefile, remove what you do not want' is same as having NO ports tree! 1602774;1484359929;trinque;no, it's not 1602775;1484359947;trinque;no matter how many !!! 1602776;1484359949;asciilifeform;it means that i have to manually fiddle with the motherfucker every time. 1602777;1484359973;asciilifeform;trinque: elaborate plox 1602778;1484359974;trinque;so, socialist bureau of portage community is supposed to be there always? 1602779;1484359996;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd actually rather it all went away. 1602780;1484360003;asciilifeform;the pretense is annoying. 1602781;1484360027;*;trinque knows asciilifeform would like to nuke it all 1602782;1484360061;trinque;point being it may not be unreasonable system tuning work to modify the build process of packages; what openbsd has is quite close to having portage feature parity 1602783;1484360067;asciilifeform;just say, honestly, 'the year of our lord is motherfucking 1975 and there is no such thing as autoloading of proggies from network, what is this, science fiction' 1602784;1484360083;trinque;the thing lacking is people using the exact same "flavor" names (flavors being analogous to use flags) 1602785;1484360092;trinque;and then one could rather trivially modify the thing to blacklist flavors 1602786;1484360130;asciilifeform;this is one of those items that needs curator. 1602787;1484360140;asciilifeform;alternatively-- vtronic portage. 1602788;1484360187;trinque;certainly in the case of both portage and bsd ports, "I got my patch past one community organizer idiot" is no standard of merit 1602789;1484360206;asciilifeform;but ~somebody~ is stuck with the thankless chore of determining which package gotta ./configure with --no-herp, which -- --no-derp, etc 1602790;1484360273;trinque;aha, and though doomed to accrete fewer hairy workarounds, doomed still. 1602791;1484360326;asciilifeform;i will confess, at one point i contemplated a 'vtronic bsd', but i have difficulty mustering any further enthusiasm for keeping unix on life support 1602792;1484360335;asciilifeform;let it die. bury it. 1602793;1484360397;mircea_popescu;"autoloading" of proggies "from network" is basically javascript. 1602794;1484360399;mircea_popescu;go, autoload. 1602795;1484360419;mircea_popescu;autofucking of girlies "from grindr" is a) trap and b) herpes. 1602796;1484360514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, 'modern computing' folx are essentially characters from lem's 'futurological congress', thinking that they have all kinds of neato tech, e.g., robot servants, but the latter are just d00ds doped up to think they are robots, and those served -- doped up also, to think they own robots, etc. 1602797;1484360547;mircea_popescu;so then it is entirely unclear what your position is after all. 1602798;1484360572;mircea_popescu;beyond "i disagree with what mp just said because my tooth hurts and i agree with him" 1602799;1484360604;asciilifeform;aah but in order to agree, i would have to figure out what mircea_popescu's was! 1602800;1484360626;asciilifeform;other than 'hey if you're an adult and weren't born yesterday, Things Work' 1602801;1484360632;mircea_popescu;but at the risk of repeating myself, here it is again : esr, fabled luminary of the "blabla programming style" failed to get his thing done in a week. mp, fabled terrorist, managed to get his thing done in a week. 1602802;1484360661;mircea_popescu;and i'm not about to stand for any "it doesn't counts because". 1602803;1484360688;asciilifeform;what was the thing of esr? 1602804;1484360693;asciilifeform;i missed it 1602805;1484360723;mircea_popescu;so : if you're EVER GOING TO BE an adult, the idiocy outside doesn't matter. and if the idiocy outside matters, you weren't ever going to be an adult anyway. entirely disjunct sets 1602806;1484360732;mircea_popescu;and yes sucks for anyone born in 1990s, but so it goes. 1602807;1484360738;mircea_popescu;it sucked for anyone born in 1910 also. 1602808;1484360757;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tried to try out rust. he gets no bots, has to make his own irc server, there's no phf etc. 1602809;1484360760;asciilifeform;i thought -- 1920 1602810;1484360785;asciilifeform;(1920s folx -- straight into meatgrinder) 1602811;1484360828;mircea_popescu;well imagine those schmucks, born in 1910, starved duyring puberty, while orphaned by influenza, then spent their adult years at war, by the time they were 40 they had a cot of their own and enough fleas to satisfy their dog best friend, because woman was old and ugly already when they met. 1602812;1484360858;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm, interesting. though no one ought to be surprised to not find a phf & co. for $randomshitlang 1602813;1484360926;mircea_popescu;the fact that no one is surprised is an argument for what i was saying. 1602814;1484360935;mircea_popescu;yes, no one is surprised. of course not. 1602815;1484361007;mircea_popescu;so, yet again : either you know computers, today, in which case you don't need the "open source" usgtards ; or else you don't know computers, today, in which case YOU NEVER WILL. period. no escape, no buts, no nothing. you NEVER WILL. and consequently it fucking does not matter one diddly what you do, be it github or reddit or writing lengthy missives to asciilifeform 1602816;1484361037;asciilifeform;the 1 place i must disagree is 'idiocy outside does not matter to adult. the sweat i put in to remove the fleas from trb, but also from many other things so that i could even attempt that work, was quite real. 1602817;1484361065;asciilifeform;the idiots had very real impact, 1602818;1484361082;asciilifeform;the amount of flamethrower fuel they cost me, is considerable. 1602819;1484361114;mircea_popescu;this has not so much to do with them and a lot to do with satoshi being a derp. 1602820;1484361130;asciilifeform;not only him. 1602821;1484361135;asciilifeform;rms also. 1602822;1484361138;asciilifeform;linux 1602823;1484361141;asciilifeform;linus 1602824;1484361147;asciilifeform;all of'em 1602825;1484361176;asciilifeform;why did i have to saw dbus out of emacs? ~why was it there??!~ to begin with. 1602826;1484361204;mircea_popescu;every once in a while it'll happen that a retard has a good idea and fucks it up in the implementation. this is unavoidable, and some dirtying of hands will occur. 1602827;1484361205;trinque;emacs is already a monstrous amalgamation itself, before dbus 1602828;1484361211;trinque;they were just continuing the theme 1602829;1484361214;asciilifeform;do you recall the integer bug in motherfucking gcc?! 1602830;1484361224;mircea_popescu;yeah should be curious to see when did alf like dbus. rms ? pre ? post ? 1602831;1484361299;asciilifeform;at one point i had no substantial quarrel with rms. 1602832;1484361307;mircea_popescu;in other holy shit wtf is wrong with people - mp decides to examine wtf are these dorks doing to his xmlrpc.php. so he writes in serialize($_POST), which is apparently how you're supposed to do this. but which also promptly fucks something up 1602833;1484361676;asciilifeform;speaking of shitware lelz, i have here a toy comp that logs in 'with finger', and after the incident with the cement, guess wat!! 1602834;1484361724;asciilifeform;(btw cemented what? squirrel holes in roof eaves) 1602835;1484361816;mircea_popescu;lol 1602836;1484363306;mircea_popescu;this is utterly incomprehensible. so there's this bunch of bots that keep making empty post requests, identify as googlebot. here's a sample : 1602837;1484363307;mircea_popescu;s:15:"HTTP_USER_AGENT" s:47:"Googlebot/2.1 1602838;1484363308;mircea_popescu;(+http://www.google.com/bot.html)" s:12:"QUERY_STRING" s:0:"" s:13:"191.101.6.178" s:14:"REQUEST_METHOD" s:4:"POST" s:11:"REQUEST_URI" s:11:"/xmlrpc.php" s:18:"REQUEST_TIME_FLOAT" d:1484362254.992538928985595703125 s:12:"REQUEST_TIME" i:1484362254 s:4:"argv" a:0:{}s:4:"argc" i:0 } 1602839;1484363349;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the idiocy of ... seriously, you're going to specify BOTH request time and request time float to be passed around through each request forever ?!?! ... wtf is this ? empty posts to xmlrpc.php. why. 1602840;1484363392;mircea_popescu;if anyone can explain this wonder to me i'd be indebted. 1602841;1484363600;mircea_popescu;at first i thought they're trying to spam trilema, and doing it from central ip but inept enough to not realize that the custom error message trilema spits if you try this is NOT a success (ie, matching for failure, and failing to move on). ie, stupid. 1602842;1484363639;mircea_popescu;but as the months wore on (no fucking kidding, half a year +, 2-3-5 a minute, every minute, no exception, i've seen by now 10`000s of ips doing THIS and this only) i started thinking maybe i'm the stupid one here ? 1602843;1484363688;mircea_popescu;so i thought long and hard wtf it could be, and it finally occured to me maybe they're using the pingback checking trilema does to "drive traffic", ie, dorks "buy traffic", spammer asks list of wordpress installs to check if dork has pingback, dork thinks he's getting "uniques". 1602844;1484363707;mircea_popescu;but no, you can't do this with an empty post, it'd have to include dataz. 1602845;1484363711;*;mircea_popescu is entirely confounded. 1602846;1484364086;mircea_popescu;oh unsurprisingly enough rust has a "code of conduct". this is getting to be signal-positive : if $item has "code of conduct", $item is comprised of idiots, imbeciles and their handlers. 1602847;1484364277;mircea_popescu;"Your free speech is not our problem. We recognize that this policy is a restrictive political stance. That is the intent. If you want a room with different rules, go create one." 1602848;1484364285;mircea_popescu;hurr. stomp a sjw face today. 1602849;1484364523;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gExZMLrIvWI << pretty lulzy as far as entomology goes. tl;dw : infantile beta male with a history of derping about how "boyish" everyone else is. 1602850;1484365951;ben_vulpes;CoC has been a warning flag forever 1602851;1484366212;BingoBoingo; watching glue dry is better nao. << How are the urethane warts doing? 1602852;1484367201;mircea_popescu;lmao 1602853;1484367242;mircea_popescu;anyway, /me tires of #rust. there's been 500 join/parts and strictly one line (" How do I borrow a vector mutably while iterating over that vector? Is it possible?") in the past 3 hours. 1602854;1484367396;mircea_popescu;(you may be excused from thinking that's a stupid question, as it is, but nevertheless the rust lingo is insane in this vein. "why can i not borrow a boxed vector content as mutable" ie let's make up a whole lingo of nonsense) 1602855;1484367510;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/Gnziq <<< powering the ethereum revolution, among other unheretoforeheardof lulz 1602856;1484367665;mircea_popescu;https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ <<< guess what else is gone. 1602857;1484368174;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602836 << they shit in phuctor's mouth also 1602858;1484368174;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 03:08 mircea_popescu: this is utterly incomprehensible. so there's this bunch of bots that keep making empty post requests, identify as googlebot. here's a sample : 1602859;1484368256;ben_vulpes;i went a-hunting for an 0.8.6 binary for a friend recently 1602860;1484368263;ben_vulpes;completely gone. 1602861;1484368265;ben_vulpes;stripped from web. 1602862;1484368439;BingoBoingo;Oh my 1602863;1484368446;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i might have one 1602864;1484368457;asciilifeform;why do you need a binary anyway 1602865;1484368473;asciilifeform;(and for what?) 1602866;1484368507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lel, maidsafe?! in there. i had nfi still existed 1602867;1484368826;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602856 << that link -- loads 1602868;1484368826;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 04:21 mircea_popescu: https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ <<< guess what else is gone. 1602869;1484368843;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: well, 'need'. went looking. 1602870;1484368902;ben_vulpes;wasn't in the mood for trbquest on civvy machine 1602871;1484368912;ben_vulpes;normie cucks gotta normie cuck, you know? 1602872;1484368925;asciilifeform;dunno 1602873;1484368937;asciilifeform;why not subscribe him to mtgox then. 1602874;1484368946;asciilifeform;this friend of yers. 1602875;1484368982;ben_vulpes;man has to understand what he's dealing with. 1602876;1484369029;ben_vulpes;"ohey look, the dipshits took down the legacy bins." "...oh. that's not good." 1602877;1484369038;asciilifeform;with mtgox, he will, if he has half a brain, understand that he has 0 btc, but buncha promises. but with prb, might have delusion of control 1602878;1484369085;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i appreciate the concern. nobody in my wot's operating under the delusion that modernly available bitcoin clients will move their coins safely. 1602879;1484369116;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: did the prbistas even distribute bins for anything but winblowz ? 1602880;1484369135;ben_vulpes;aye, there were macos bins. 1602881;1484369155;asciilifeform;ah with the qt thing 1602882;1484369166;ben_vulpes;mhm 1602883;1484369236;ben_vulpes;so is 'echo' really how you get values from php to html? 1602884;1484370389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in all likeliness site wasn;'t updated in 2016. 1602885;1484370396;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes .8.6 what, prb ? 1602886;1484370535;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes pretty much. just like format in lisp :D 1602887;1484370554;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not according to archive.is ; maybe they invented a whole new web or something. 1602888;1484370604;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: show me the html file with common lisp in it 1602889;1484370774;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602646 << actually this makes no difference if i do or if i don't. the correct solution that's sitting on my laptop is to explicitly check for exhaustive anticedents, and then render a missing link if there's one missing 1602890;1484370774;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 00:59 mod6: His graph doesn't show all of the edges, and as this correctly highlights, I believe to be less than perfect. 1602891;1484370832;phf;graph rendering, whether you remove links or not, simply shoes what links to what. if nothing links, than there's nothing in the algo to indicate that lack of linking, whether you have that extra edge or not 1602892;1484370837;phf;*shows 1602893;1484371039;phf;yeah, there's a routing issue, that i fixed, but haven't put in production yet. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602644 << http://btcbase.org/patches (without slash at the end) 1602894;1484371039;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 00:59 mircea_popescu: on trying to check out phf 's nice graph i discover btcbase.org/patches redirects, to btcbase.org/patches/nil 1602895;1484371133;phf;i've reworked the graph/press code while working on press/blame renderer, and in the process discovered various issues with the current approach. so i wouldn't really look at the press/graph for reference at the moment 1602896;1484371378;phf;for example here's a version of current experimental patchset, with missing antecedents rendered. (purple nodes at the bottom of the graph) http://glyf.org/tmp/missing-antecedents.svg 1602897;1484371554;phf;a complete graph (with no trimming) ~could~ indicate missing antecedents, but only if you split vpatches by files first. so instead of having m files for n vpatches you have m*n vpatches, with one file per one vpatch. in that case a missing link will show a vpatch without antecedent 1602898;1484371895;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602888 << http://lemonodor.com/archives/000128.html 1602899;1484371895;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 05:10 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: show me the html file with common lisp in it 1602900;1484372718;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1602901;1484372726;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 822.64, vol: 11567.16923931 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 807.001, vol: 7523.65257 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 823.4, vol: 24827.56739465 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 814.533615, vol: 878781.70280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 832.0, vol: 2732.84485818 | Volume-weighted last average: 814.863145999 1602902;1484372840;ben_vulpes;oh gross 1602903;1484372842;ben_vulpes;"Anyway, the experiment more or less failed. I began to suspect the reasons behind JSP's ugly appearance had less to do with Java than with the crazy idea of mushing two unrelated languages and syntaxes together." 1602904;1484372855;ben_vulpes;you don't say? 1602905;1484373220;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602641 << that doesn't sound right, according to http://btcbase.org/hash/B7EFBC0CE8EB70C04B3B0F713AA9DBEACF9DFE913BE38D32AE83A9EB63024F752C4B98DF5E019378E721A9B4C6A1E6466797CAA1B0B80B4D672771DCFD8C5202 init.cpp is provided by dnsseed_snipsnip 1602906;1484373220;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 00:57 mod6: Even though the flow is correct, it depends on changes that are no longer there for files such as init.cpp... 1602907;1484373452;phf;mod6: actually ignore that entire subthread, i'm reading the log backwards :/ 1602908;1484379091;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/bitcoin-0.8.6-macosx.dmg sha512 : fd2f5dc0e142b6ded4eb1b5e0f084e22aef4dc332f0d1ce71b87c9a9686d25ce378da7948a6cba48c059d79e644c949220f5873a026829ba6223f19778093232 1602909;1484379170;pete_dushenski;pretty sure i also have 0.8.2 kicking around if your buddy's interested. lemme know. 1602910;1484384043;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: tight 1602911;1484384050;ben_vulpes;well, i'm the one interested. 1602912;1484384319;ben_vulpes;i'll take a copy of 0.8.2 as well, why not. 1602913;1484384351;ben_vulpes;thanks, yo 1602914;1484390348;mircea_popescu;i see this has been going well. 1602915;1484394831;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/stomp-a-sjw-face-today/ << Trilema - Stomp a SJW face today. 1602916;1484395293;mircea_popescu;and in kickass trilemas i dragged up while doing research, http://trilema.com/2014/an-inventory-of-a-prison/ 1602917;1484396187;Framedragger;..yes, that was an educational and depressing read. 1602918;1484396195;mircea_popescu;o hay Framedragger 1602919;1484396257;*;Framedragger juggling shitty schedules. looking forward to summer (which will hopefully also include deframedraggerisation of UK!) 1602920;1484396399;mircea_popescu;what island are you going to ? 1602921;1484396434;Framedragger;(nice trb dev log there btw) 1602922;1484396523;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: the island of post-soviet (homeland) for the time being :) it has a proper summer, friends, forests, sea and lower living costs; i don't know where i will land after that that, if anywhere. for the first time not worried, tho. 1602923;1484396542;mircea_popescu;yeah from what i hear it's pretty cool. 1602924;1484396555;Framedragger;pre-planning and worrying hasn't worked much thus far anyway 1602925;1484396571;Framedragger;worth a visit in the summer. peninsula (Neringa) is nice, would recommend 1602926;1484396575;mircea_popescu;why land anywhere, buy a bunch of local politicians/judges/policemen etc, make a small stronghold. 1602927;1484396589;Framedragger;the mp-way! 1602928;1484396653;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1602929;1484396654;Framedragger;worth considerin'... not always easy to implement, but i hear ya 1602930;1484396794;mircea_popescu;to quote a shot guy, "mai bine mort in lupta cu glorie deplina decit sclavi iarasi pe vechiul pamint." 1602931;1484396843;mircea_popescu;the poem in question became romania's anthem afterwards. 1602932;1484397015;Framedragger;oh wow, that's not the worst thing to be become part of an anthem for sure! (if google translate is to be believed; the latter part is translated as "...than slaves upon the old ground" which has a nice ring to it) 1602933;1484397021;Framedragger;to become* 1602934;1484397171;mircea_popescu;"better die in battle with untarnished honor than be a slave again on the old homeland" 1602935;1484397206;mircea_popescu;anyway, it was part of the ro agitation towards the ukraining of the austro-hungarian empire and giving it some parts. 1602936;1484397255;mircea_popescu;(i find it no end of amusing that today the same romania isn't agitating for eating up the western third of the actuak ukraine, "historically romanian territory") 1602937;1484397332;Framedragger;ah, that's a wholly other angle for looking at the thing - interesting... 1602938;1484397511;mircea_popescu;yeah, all the way to akkerman (bilhorod-dnistrovskyi). 1602939;1484400639;mircea_popescu;and in other hardware news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/c2d22d40cd3afddd872434e577986151/tumblr_ohsddw5ymK1socueto2_1280.jpg 1602940;1484404212;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you recall lafond's piece in which he wonders why is it women think it a good idea to try and stick their fingers up the anus while sucking cock ? 1602941;1484406144;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-male-orgasm/ << Trilema - The male orgasm 1602942;1484411754;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-14#872312 << watched this recently +1 recommendation from me (it helps that i really liked meursault as a character in school.) 1602943;1484411754;a111;Logged on 2014-10-14 06:34 mircea_popescu: anyone seen the man who wasn't there ? 1602944;1484412041;mircea_popescu;trying to remember... 1602945;1484412057;mircea_popescu;oh oh. yeah. 1602946;1484412067;Framedragger;the main guy is meursault in my reading 1602947;1484412068;mircea_popescu;not bad at all 1602948;1484412154;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/vyh7f/?raw=true Saturday Shitcoin Roundup 1602949;1484412154;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1602950;1484412178;Framedragger;esp. the ending, the connection is maybe *too* blunt, even: Ed goes "You get some distance on it. And, all those twists and turns, well they’re the shape of your life . . . Seeing it whole, gives you some peace.” vs meursault getting a kind of climax in his cell, pacing in circles, accepting 'benign indifference' of the universe, or somesuch (been long time ago too) 1602951;1484412191;Framedragger;was pretty good, yeah. 1602952;1484416436;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5ACA6E340AF73A16674435C2B980A1D57AF0FE6646BB0447F5D53D3582FF461 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...4053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '114.198.145.229 (ssh-rsa key from 114.198.145.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-145-229.grgrid.net. PH RIZ 40) 1602953;1484416437;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5ACA6E340AF73A16674435C2B980A1D57AF0FE6646BB0447F5D53D3582FF461 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1793...8607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '114.198.145.229 (ssh-rsa key from 114.198.145.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-145-229.grgrid.net. PH RIZ 40) 1602954;1484417064;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6Nqdd/?raw=true << decryptomization (they now block arch.is??!) of depdfization of the Protocols of The Elders of Trumpzion 1602955;1484417106;asciilifeform;containing gems like 'he is happy to be seen as ru stooge, to distract from the truth, where he is chinese stooge' 1602956;1484417844;danielpbarron;!!up indiancandy 1602957;1484417845;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1602958;1484417897;indiancandy;thanks daniek 1602959;1484417902;indiancandy;im sooo bored :( 1602960;1484417919;danielpbarron;did you get that key yet? 1602961;1484417948;danielpbarron;!(factors 360) 1602962;1484417964;danielpbarron;!!up candi_lustt 1602963;1484417964;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes. 1602964;1484417965;candi_lustt;danielpbarron: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1BCtV/?raw=true 1602965;1484417966;candi_lustt;deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VeNPK/?raw=true 1602966;1484417977;danielpbarron;o.O 1602967;1484417989;trinque;deedbot said candi_lustt, lol 1602968;1484417991;candi_lustt;trinque: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DbgLk/?raw=true 1602969;1484417999;danielpbarron;!!down candi_lustt 1602970;1484418035;indiancandy;whose candi lusst 1602971;1484418042;indiancandy;im gona download it now 1602972;1484418046;indiancandy;what do i search 1602973;1484418067;danielpbarron;http://minigame.bz/ should lead you there 1602974;1484418077;trinque;indiancandy: new, very obedient slut 1602975;1484418083;danielpbarron;i think you want gpg4win or kleopatra or something 1602976;1484418107;indiancandy;omg 1602977;1484418128;indiancandy;one of ur bishes @trinque 1602978;1484418144;danielpbarron;it's a programable bot 1602979;1484418144;trinque;one of ben_vulpes' actually, but we tend to pass her around 1602980;1484418155;trinque;or rather, commissioned by mircea_popescu 1602981;1484418159;trinque;so his 1602982;1484418177;trinque;danielpbarron: why you gotta ruin my fun?!11 1602983;1484418243;indiancandy;who named her 1602984;1484418256;indiancandy;even myfreecams has bots now 1602985;1484418263;indiancandy;charlesbot 1602986;1484418266;shinohai;wb indiancandy 1602987;1484418287;shinohai;The joys of cam sites and their automated users. 1602988;1484418323;indiancandy;kind of helpful kind of annoying 1602989;1484418396;phf;Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President? (vanityfair.com) 1602990;1484418410;indiancandy;ha 1602991;1484418410;*;shinohai doesn't think he has ever visited mfc 1602992;1484418416;indiancandy;kanye 4 president 1602993;1484418462;phf;i'd rather gucci mane 1602994;1484418507;indiancandy;really 1602995;1484418596;phf;kanye is too white, i don't want another oreo in the office 1602996;1484418613;phf;if a brother's going to run this country, i want it to be a proper nigga 1602997;1484418623;indiancandy;samuel l jackson 1602998;1484418631;shinohai;^ 1602999;1484418641;indiancandy;mmmm 1603000;1484418643;indiancandy;jay z? 1603001;1484418649;indiancandy;EMINMEM!! 1603002;1484418656;shinohai;MURICAN MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT? 1603003;1484418675;indiancandy;gucci is hard to understand 1603004;1484418675;ben_vulpes;jigga for prez 1603005;1484418683;ben_vulpes;said it before, i'll say it again 1603006;1484418690;indiancandy;not everyone understands the florida accent 1603007;1484418767;indiancandy;why do you refer to black men as brothers 1603008;1484418776;indiancandy;so if your nonblack your not a brother 1603009;1484418780;indiancandy;weird 1603010;1484418788;indiancandy;just my pini 1603011;1484418790;indiancandy;opini 1603012;1484418804;ben_vulpes;in america, non-blacks are "racists" 1603013;1484418829;indiancandy;as a mass or individuals 1603014;1484418935;phf;well, some black men refer to me as brother, i don't see any reason not to respond in kind 1603015;1484419140;phf;!!up indiancandy 1603016;1484419141;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1603017;1484419165;indiancandy;thnku 1603018;1484419168;indiancandy;i duno what happened 1603019;1484419181;indiancandy;im quarter black does that make me a sister 1603020;1484420738;asciilifeform;is archive.is 'archive new page' broken ? or i just got lucky 3 times. 1603021;1484422861;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/bitcoin-0.8.2-macosx.dmg sha512 a11026f16805ad88c49780a890db15bc2ebab15b73cdbbcf037c9a80a328bd4db4588f62ae5b0e7f243f555d861e2a962b24f52989dc811d1b5020202c772b49 1603022;1484422894;pete_dushenski;phf: lol gucci mane 1603023;1484422983;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: just your bad luck. archive.is working here. 1603024;1484423577;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it loads here, i was speaking specifically re archive-yet-unarchived-page function. 1603025;1484423610;pete_dushenski;i shoulda been more clear sorry, that part works too. here. 1603026;1484423615;asciilifeform;aite 1603027;1484423690;pete_dushenski;there was one day last week that it was taking upwards of an hour to archive links and they were getting stuck in queue forever, but seems to be nippy now. 1603028;1484423769;netmonk;morning 1603029;1484423866;pete_dushenski;hiya netmonk 1603030;1484424195;ben_vulpes;candi heap expanded 1603031;1484424424;pete_dushenski;"In reality I'm just hoping that maintenance doesn't end up costing me more then depreciation would over five years ownership of a new minivan." 1603032;1484424433;pete_dushenski;famous last words of guy who bought hand-built unobtanium (mercedes r63 amg) and blew the engine at 100k miles. dude decided to rebuild engine ~himself~ instead of fork over $57k to stealership for engine rebuild. http://archive.is/ucbbc#selection-1829.1-1859.36 1603033;1484424463;pete_dushenski;really just a point in favour of ben_vulpes' stance on such automobiles 1603034;1484424478;ben_vulpes;oh fuq i would not like to undertake that project 1603035;1484424547;ben_vulpes;dog a benz /minivan/? 1603036;1484424560;ben_vulpes;what the hell is wrong with people 1603037;1484424634;pete_dushenski;r-class was an utter sales disaster. gl/gls was introduced to save face for milfs who need to spend 2x honda odyssey money on fambly wagon 1603038;1484424700;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: but if you don't undertake projects like engine rebuilding, you'll never get to bask in the glory that is the qr-code-engraved engine piston from 6.2l v8 http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p504/mazdeuce/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170114_101951_zps2wcspwel.jpg 1603039;1484424803;ben_vulpes;the depths of my hatred for ego markup consumer goods, their purchasers and advertisers simply cannot be plumbed 1603040;1484425242;mircea_popescu;http://vshakah.ru/tak-proxodila-zhizn-kazhdogo-sovetskogo-shkolnika-nemnozhko-vospominanij/ << if anyone cares (spam on trilema) 1603041;1484425287;*;mircea_popescu owned that drawing kit for instance. 1603042;1484425763;mircea_popescu;and in other instruments, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5233b3ec2ae78f05d7d7468a7f6032a4/tumblr_oajflh540y1sqb7wro4_1280.jpg 1603043;1484425997;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602954 << you know about those stale whores nobody cares about releasing "sex tapes" in the vague hope that maybe a faux air of clandestinity may spur a last drop of interest ? 1603044;1484425997;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 18:04 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6Nqdd/?raw=true << decryptomization (they now block arch.is??!) of depdfization of the Protocols of The Elders of Trumpzion 1603045;1484426153;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602989 << bwhahaha i thought they hated zuck because too uncommunist. 1603046;1484426153;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 18:26 phf: Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President? (vanityfair.com) 1603047;1484429919;pete_dushenski;"Now 4 years old, Daliyah has read more than 1,000 books and has managed to read certain college-level texts." << in other unintentional msm hilarity very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600008 1603048;1484429919;a111;Logged on 2017-01-10 01:10 pete_dushenski: "In particular, the avian forebrain (the part of the brain involved in problem-solving and other higher-order cognitive capacities) is actually derived from the same neuroanatomical substrate as the mammalian forebrain, providing more potential evidence for similar cognitive capacities in the two groups (Jarvis et al. 2005)." << see ? just like you and me. 1603049;1484432095;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what's the mp-wp blessed method for a custom root page? i've tried writing a front-page.php (which mp-wp didn't eat, suggesting that front-page.php was a post 2.7 introduction? their documentation doesn't do time travel, so the archaeology is tough); and twiddling home.php (but i can't get home.php to behave conditionally depending on whether it's the site root) 1603050;1484432158;ben_vulpes;i suppose i could conditionally switch on the url, but i prefer the scalpel or well-chosen wrench to the sledgehammer. 1603051;1484434269;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1603040 << aaah! 1603052;1484434269;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 20:20 mircea_popescu: http://vshakah.ru/tak-proxodila-zhizn-kazhdogo-sovetskogo-shkolnika-nemnozhko-vospominanij/ << if anyone cares (spam on trilema) 1603053;1484434304;asciilifeform;that ink bottle ! 1603054;1484434311;*;asciilifeform wonders if he still has one 1603055;1484434369;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo you recall lafond's piece in which he wonders why is it women think it a good idea to try and stick their fingers up the anus while sucking cock ? << will have to look 1603056;1484434398;BingoBoingo; !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/vyh7f/?raw=true Saturday Shitcoin Roundup << Does not seem to correspond to a key in my possesion 1603057;1484434420;shinohai;hmmm 1603058;1484434487;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fNFhZ/?raw=true 1603059;1484434530;asciilifeform;'Некоторым родителям удавалось по блату достать «прибалтийскую» форму, она была приятного шоколадного цвета и шилась не из шерсти, а из какого-то мягкого материала.' << until this very day asciilifeform had nfi why some of his classmates were 'brownshirts' ! 1603060;1484434740;BingoBoingo;!~later tell indiancandy im quarter black does that make me a sister << Traditionally yes, because black blood is stronger 1603061;1484434741;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1603062;1484434830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from your spammer, http://vshakah.ru/pravda-matka-v-kartinax-rossijskaya-glubinka-v-skandalnyx-rabotax-vasiliya-shulzhenko/ >> as if specifically made for our orc thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602538 ) last night ! 1603063;1484434830;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 00:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ; moreover i'm talking about a very specific "intellectual" thing. not in any sense intended for mass consumption. intended for perenity. 1603064;1484436704;shinohai;BingoBoingo: was that key correct or did I bork something? 1603065;1484438127;BingoBoingo;worked this time shinohai 1603066;1484438210;shinohai; ty BingoBoingo 1603067;1484438612;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/shinohai-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-verified-mining-scam-and-more/ << Qntra - Shinohai Shitcoin Roundup Xtend: VERified Mining Scam And More 1603068;1484438702;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1603069;1484438866;shinohai;ty! 1603070;1484438869;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not what you are looking for yet, but an entertain http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1979 1603071;1484438872;BingoBoingo;!~ty 1603072;1484438872;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy 1603073;1484439193;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "other altcorn(s) tested" 1603074;1484439651;shinohai;Isn't corn plural anyway? 1603075;1484440224;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd 1603076;1484440233;BingoBoingo;corn isn't so much a plural as it's a bulk 1603077;1484440325;shinohai;I'm gonna lol if rumors of Balaji Srinivasan getting a Trump position are true. Just too lulzy. 1603078;1484440824;BingoBoingo;Well hence the cutting edit 1603079;1484441128;BingoBoingo;Other fiction http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1778&pr=1 1603080;1484441864;BingoBoingo;And still not there yet http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=855 1603081;1484443127;mircea_popescu;lol k 1603082;1484443547;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1603049 << this is something your theme sorts out. the way trilema works there's a single.php and an index.php ; the former gets loaded when a definite article is being viewed, the latter when trilema.com/ root is being viewed, and pulls a random article. yours could do something else. 1603083;1484443547;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 22:14 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the mp-wp blessed method for a custom root page? i've tried writing a front-page.php (which mp-wp didn't eat, suggesting that front-page.php was a post 2.7 introduction? their documentation doesn't do time travel, so the archaeology is tough); and twiddling home.php (but i can't get home.php to behave conditionally depending on whether it's the site root) 1603084;1484443916;mircea_popescu;http://vshakah.ru/images1/ruurodskaja-rosija-9.jpg <<< o holy shit. 1603085;1484444559;mats;thats unsettling 1603086;1484444691;mircea_popescu;for srs. 1603087;1484446530;mats;!~tslb 1603088;1484446535;jhvh1;mats: Time since last block: 35 minutes and 4 seconds 1603089;1484446952;asciilifeform;the tru tragedy is that there is no painter like this , afaik, for usa. 1603090;1484446963;asciilifeform;think of what, e.g., lafond, could paint, if he could paint... 1603091;1484447025;mircea_popescu;and in other "personal motivation a la russe", http://68.media.tumblr.com/1515f9cf19d861959a44acdb5e759f8f/tumblr_ni30nepPzb1u073mco1_1280.jpg 1603092;1484447046;asciilifeform;the people in the 'urodskaja-rosija' thing, are at least recognizably ~people~. no fupas. 1603093;1484447060;mircea_popescu;no fupas but fugly. 1603094;1484447070;asciilifeform;plug uglies but 4 standard limbs. 1603095;1484447075;asciilifeform;no 5th, 6th. 1603096;1484447092;mircea_popescu;fuck you, they're a dragon. 1603097;1484447123;*;asciilifeform now pictures they 'they' as literally ~one~ dragon. or perhaps more of a hydra 1603098;1484447162;mircea_popescu;i saw a pretty lulzy thing in this vein today, there was a horde of zombies going by an advertising to a tv show about zombies. 1603099;1484447574;asciilifeform;https://sks-ural.com/staty/tehnicheskoe-obsluzhivanie-schetchika-vody-v-ekaterinburge << from referheaderspam on dulap! and it goes, and goes, every hour, every day! can anyone posit hypothesis why a water meter repair (apparently legit, and 0 other commercial content) spams ? 1603100;1484447587;asciilifeform;and spams whole world?! 1603101;1484447599;mircea_popescu;because hired "web 2.0 seo optimization etc" expert. 1603102;1484447616;mircea_popescu;ie, adult male hired inept kid to "do something or the other" because kid's mother won't shut up. 1603103;1484447617;asciilifeform;evidently 1603104;1484447636;asciilifeform;my first guess was that the thing was silently pwned long ago, and attempts 'driveby' shitwareization, but no dice. 1603105;1484447677;mircea_popescu;nah, somebody paid 100 rubles for "a service" and in the process created a whole fucking club of burker ging eaters droning on about THE WEB INDUSTRY IN RUSSIA 1603106;1484447688;mircea_popescu;another one and they'll have a code of conduct. 1603107;1484447702;mircea_popescu;you know, specifying what kind of plastic pipe to shove up their asses. 1603108;1484447718;asciilifeform;btw somebody! recently linked a 'code of conduct' that tried to actually forbid $proggy to infidels...? or did i dream this. 1603109;1484447736;mircea_popescu;tmsr does this already no ? 1603110;1484447747;asciilifeform;no but specifically a heathenware one 1603111;1484447752;asciilifeform;what was it 1603112;1484447757;mircea_popescu;no idea 1603113;1484447884;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/ << Trilema - I think they might be overdoing it in places. 1603114;1484452252;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1603115;1484452260;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 820.82, vol: 5715.80977949 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 812.001, vol: 4005.30267 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 815.65, vol: 11001.67437908 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 808.727472, vol: 408003.86820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 826.956, vol: 1431.40509185 | Volume-weighted last average: 809.156341953 1603116;1484453440;BingoBoingo;!!up candi_lustt 1603117;1484453440;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes. 1603118;1484453454;BingoBoingo;candi_lustt Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1603119;1484453454;candi_lustt;BingoBoingo: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/abZE6/?raw=true 1603120;1484453529;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603082 aye, thank you, got it. 1603121;1484453529;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 01:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1603049 << this is something your theme sorts out. the way trilema works there's a single.php and an index.php ; the former gets loaded when a definite article is being viewed, the latter when trilema.com/ root is being viewed, and pulls a random article. yours could do something else. 1603122;1484453912;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aaaaa you eschew the /page/n thingy 1603123;1484454576;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/ringling-brothers-quitting-as-circus-business-eclipsed-by-reality/ << Qntra - Ringling Brothers Quitting As Circus Business Eclipsed By Reality 1603124;1484457884;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes page is for "pages" which is a weird concept, but stuff like my eulora shop for instance 1603125;1484458332;mircea_popescu;ahaha that's a right proper mess of a page you got there 1603126;1484458335;*;mircea_popescu archives 1603127;1484458340;ben_vulpes;:( 1603128;1484458344;ben_vulpes;i hate this thing 1603129;1484458360;mircea_popescu;it would be easy if you knew what you were doing 1603130;1484458361;ben_vulpes;possibly less than the previous thing 1603131;1484458365;ben_vulpes;fuck 1603132;1484458367;ben_vulpes;off! 1603133;1484458369;mircea_popescu;oh no wait, wrong card. READ THE ERROR MESSAGE 1603134;1484458384;ben_vulpes;your stupid thing is eating error message 1603135;1484458387;ben_vulpes;messages* 1603136;1484458408;mircea_popescu;it's all divs man. they float, man. let the the divs float man. 1603137;1484458417;mircea_popescu;hm that might have been for a ted talk, nm. 1603138;1484458481;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i'd seriously say if i had anything useful. but sadly... 1603139;1484458525;mircea_popescu;in other news, i just got a pingback for an article you published in 2014 1603140;1484458542;ben_vulpes;cool story 1603141;1484458549;ben_vulpes;i just updated an article i wrote in 2014 1603142;1484458558;mircea_popescu;aha so pingbacks work then 1603143;1484458565;ben_vulpes;sending -- works! 1603144;1484458569;mircea_popescu;do you want my pingbackcatchup script ? 1603145;1484458590;ben_vulpes;sure, yeah 1603146;1484458601;ben_vulpes;sounds useful 1603147;1484458642;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << 1603148;1484458659;mircea_popescu;it'll hard-resend until you are satisfied. 1603149;1484459137;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/629EDD94502C5E969DAEE62BE3E4786CC47C269B5DA77930D88FBB43E11CA863 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...5409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.88.212.102 (ssh-rsa key from 194.88.212.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (magnolia.sylon.net. CH) 1603150;1484459138;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/629EDD94502C5E969DAEE62BE3E4786CC47C269B5DA77930D88FBB43E11CA863 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1768...6493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.88.212.102 (ssh-rsa key from 194.88.212.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (magnolia.sylon.net. CH) 1603151;1484460088;ben_vulpes;ugh okay 1603152;1484460112;ben_vulpes;new comments and posts on the front page, comments now fully threaded 1603153;1484460163;ben_vulpes;intimacy breeds contempt 1603154;1484465823;ben_vulpes;https://medium.com/@barmstrong/coinbase-and-the-irs-c4e2e386e0cf#.g97yatuqf << you're a narc, brian armstrong. nobody likes a narc. 1603155;1484470854;mats;trinque: i read the transcript and it was boring 1603156;1484470990;mats;relatedly, ~4k soldiers from 3rd Armored BCT / 4th ID deploy to poland http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-us-troops-poland-20170114-story.html 1603157;1484471026;mats;and three additional deployments to the Baltics planned, as per the 'European Reassurance Initiative' https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/03/fact-sheet-european-reassurance-initiative-and-other-us-efforts-support- 1603158;1484471320;mats;i suppose the one interesting thing from the confirmation hearing is the stated intention to put the National Guard and various branch Reserve components in a state of readiness as it was in the decade following 9/11 1603159;1484471819;mats;which makes sense, they've proven their effectiveness especially as DoD's operational tempo continued to go up in those years 1603160;1484472091;mats;and even with the augmentation from reserves, tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of folks saw 'stop-loss' orders, that is, 'fuck you, this 6/9/12 month deployment is actually getting extended until further notice because needs of the army' 1603161;1484485106;Framedragger;fromphuctor: you might want to check in (or hang around until) ~evening your time (assuming you're in .ch), relevant folks may come online around that time. :) 1603162;1484488547;mircea_popescu;!!up fromphuctor 1603163;1484488548;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1603164;1484490076;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i have words from mp's free critique services : 1. too big font, too much whitespace => way too few words in right column ; 2. single utility column => too much scrolling to get articles ; 3 no good structuring of history (and i dun care about your categories enough to want them listed) ; 4. bad idea to put whole article in archive listing, because then you have to paginate the months which defeats the whole point 1603165;1484490077;mircea_popescu;of having an array (which is what "archive" means, it's not a fucking list) 1603166;1484490222;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/2016/02 << check out your pagination (i'd show you exactly where but there's no way to select position in text ; scroll down to first place where there's a hash) 1603167;1484491160;mircea_popescu;mats yeah but if trump withdraws em it's basically a two week vacation. 1603168;1484491523;mircea_popescu;and in other things you had nfi about, "Northern Light Group, LLC is a company specializing in strategic research portals, enterprise search technology, and text analytics solutions." 1603169;1484492318;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : the news on china today is : the guardian pretending like china's telling trump what's what ; fox news pretending like china's telling trump what's what ; abc online sanely representing the situation ; cnn pretending like china's telling trump what's what ; nbcnews pretending like china's telling trump what's what ; washington post pretending like china's telling trump what's what in new words rather than 1603170;1484492318;mircea_popescu;by copy/paste like everyone else AND SO FOLLOWING. 1603171;1484492339;mircea_popescu;meanwhile "trump is with putin". why, because he gets in the way of the fake news being with china ? 1603172;1484492368;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, everyone agrees the us is a colony now, but from that it doesn't exactly follow which bits fall into which spheres of influence does it. 1603173;1484492418;mircea_popescu;and in other #thedesperate http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314384-trump-team-considering-evicting-press-from-white-house-report 1603174;1484492696;mircea_popescu;This is unlike any inauguration we’ve seen,” said Ben Wikler, Washington director of the progressive group MoveOn.org. “We’ve never seen a counter-inauguration that dwarfs the crowd at the inauguration itself. It will be unmistakeable where the energy is. It will be in the broad and diverse movement to oppose the Trump agenda.” <<->> http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ 1603175;1484492708;mircea_popescu;really now ? goonhome.org. 1603176;1484492910;mircea_popescu;"But along with the celebrations, there will be a week of protest against a man who insulted Mexicans and Muslims and boasted about groping women. There were demonstrations against Richard Nixon in 1973 and George W Bush in 2001, but nothing on the scale Trump faces in Washington, a liberal bastion where he took just 4% of the vote (even Bush managed 9% in 2000). " << maybe dude moves the capital to salt lake city. wouldn't T 1603177;1484492910;mircea_popescu;HAT be a lulz. 1603178;1484493060;mircea_popescu;oh, let the forgotten not be forgotten : "NPR-3 hours ago Iraqi forces are nearing what is expected to be the toughest part of the fight for the northern Iraqi city of Mosul." 1603179;1484493065;mircea_popescu;THIRD MONTH. 1603180;1484493093;mircea_popescu;or no wait, actually ... fourth. 1603181;1484493449;mircea_popescu;"Regardless of how you view Trump and his positions, his election has led to a deep, deep sense of uncertainty and that will cast a long shadow over Davos," said Jean-Marie Guehenno, CEO of International Crisis Group, a conflict resolution think-tank. Moises Naim of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace was even more blunt: "There is a consensus that something huge is going on, global and in many respects unprecedent 1603182;1484493449;mircea_popescu;ed. But we don't know what the causes are, nor how to deal with it." 1603183;1484493457;mircea_popescu;dude... i had no idea this world was actually so full of important people. 1603184;1484496535;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you all ready for teh great gala ? 1603185;1484498334;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603176 << iirc the man is not loved in mormonlandia -- recently came out iirc that their ~entire economy runs on 'servicing' the imaginary f35 1603186;1484498334;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 15:08 mircea_popescu: "But along with the celebrations, there will be a week of protest against a man who insulted Mexicans and Muslims and boasted about groping women. There were demonstrations against Richard Nixon in 1973 and George W Bush in 2001, but nothing on the scale Trump faces in Washington, a liberal bastion where he took just 4% of the vote (even Bush managed 9% in 2000). " << maybe dude moves the capital to salt lake city. wouldn't T 1603187;1484499366;mircea_popescu;well logically, wouldn't you go hold your inauguration in either a) the state where you got the highest % or else b) in the state where hillary got the greatest margin below what she expected ? say something like "there's some people in this country who think they're better than everyone else, and i don't want to hang out with them" 1603188;1484499378;mircea_popescu;maybe send pence's secretary to send your regards to the washington thing and thatssat. 1603189;1484499414;mircea_popescu;why even fucking entertain a bad restaurant where the waitresses (with singer-songwriter aspirations) and busboys (rappers!) didn't even vote for you ? 1603190;1484499429;mircea_popescu;fuck you washington dc, i get 4% of the vote you get 96% income slashed off. 1603191;1484500375;mircea_popescu;so as per a) it'd be west virginia (dude got 68.63% o.o) or else the 3rd district of nebraska. as per b) i guess pennsylvania. hold it in harrisburg ftw. 1603192;1484500602;mircea_popescu;in any case the DC must be strangled, wtf is this, 90% hillary ? really ? that's the deep reason for all the fake news, all the unemployable idjits working as "staffers" and moonlighting as "journalists". 1603193;1484500647;mircea_popescu;coupla hundred thousand dorks who imagine dc is their own personal github, to write "codes of conduct" for and come up with "restricitve political stances" and whatnot. 1603194;1484500946;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was ~90% obummer, iirc, also 1603195;1484500995;mircea_popescu;yeah well, look at the results, they go 60/40 to 40/60. the 90/4 thing is an outlier, evidently it'll ahve to be crushed. 1603196;1484501000;asciilifeform;not for the reason mircea_popescu suspected tho. being a city, in usa, it is mostly black, and they vote the democrat ticket. 1603197;1484501005;asciilifeform;bmore, et al, similar. 1603198;1484501019;mircea_popescu;the ~only way a "professional" bureaucracy may survive is if it has no particular strong preference. 1603199;1484501066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody in the 250k dc residents who vote there are slaves, gtfo. it's 100% middle class jewish with unwarranted aspirations and a drug habit. 1603200;1484501088;mircea_popescu;the pink collars vote in maryland or wherever. 1603201;1484501106;asciilifeform;they don't operate by voting, no. they bus the inner city professional sad sacks 'helpfully' to the polls, and let'em know for whom to vote. 1603202;1484501120;asciilifeform;y'know, just like in 1860s with irish. 1603203;1484501150;mircea_popescu;there is some substance to what you say in the sense that it gains like 10k per year. 1603204;1484501178;asciilifeform;fwiw the practice is conspicuous enough to be visible to the naked eye. 1603205;1484501181;mircea_popescu;but it was under 50% white in 2011 for the first time, mind. 1603206;1484501187;asciilifeform;(there are ads everywhere re 'we will help you get to the polls!' etc) 1603207;1484501242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bureaucrat caste swelled under obummer, while the train system declined. so a decision was made to clear out some 'habitable' zones for'em in dc. 1603208;1484501261;mircea_popescu;myeah 1603209;1484501263;asciilifeform;this led to cries of 'oh noez, racists retaking their historic motherland from diversefolx' etc. 1603210;1484501347;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "A Robert Emery 2007 report found that about one-third of Washington residents are functionally illiterate, compared to a national rate of about one in five." 1603211;1484501382;mircea_popescu;stalin would not be impressed. 1603212;1484501397;asciilifeform;this btw is very low bar. it means: they cannot read even street sign. 1603213;1484501410;asciilifeform;nor fill out own welfare form. 1603214;1484501424;mircea_popescu;aha. 1603215;1484501468;mircea_popescu;and it also hides the fact that half of those under 30 aren't qualified to be dressed in public under the "one in three" all ages bs. 1603216;1484501505;asciilifeform;dunno, under 30 the rotgut hasn't kicked in yet. 1603217;1484501514;asciilifeform;so maybe slightly less vegetable overall. 1603218;1484501578;mircea_popescu;nope. 1603219;1484501630;mircea_popescu;o look, the wikipedia article on "white flight" manages to somehow be all about "environmental racism" and other bullshit. 1603220;1484501795;phf;the whole point of "no child left" is to skew literacy rates through standardized multiple choice. "by the end of this course you will recognize the words dog, cat and food. this will also be in the test" 1603221;1484501818;mircea_popescu;yes, but it also produces a 90% majority of people who nevertheless can't "influence the elections" 1603222;1484501880;asciilifeform;phf: dog training for people, aha. 1603223;1484501892;mircea_popescu;somehow the idiocy of self-hat-stealing is never evident. and it's not just a matter of politics. single-wife marriages are generally exercises in "trying to keep the woman as stupid as possible". why, exactly ? not like she's not your woman, if you make her dumb who the fuck is going to defend you when you run into a guy with a dozen women and a fleet of battleships ? 1603224;1484501916;mircea_popescu;you don't fucking want to gain approval in the herd at the cost of diminishing herd quality. who the fuck runs a herd like this! 1603225;1484501953;asciilifeform;folx who think their 'mandate of heaven' is a permanent fixture of the universe. 1603226;1484501955;asciilifeform;that's who. 1603227;1484501971;mircea_popescu;somehow exactly nobody in the idiocratic party stood up at the convention and said "the reason we couldn't get our girl elected is that for 30 years while we had the resources, we squandered them on sucking black dick instead of spending them on whips for the same blacks" 1603228;1484501987;asciilifeform;notion is that it 'could not possibly matter' whether half of usa can or cannot read, because it isn't as if chimpanzees will learn to make jets. 1603229;1484501995;mircea_popescu;it has to be mp in #trilema, there's nobody among all those according-to-them important thinkers to have added these twos together. 1603230;1484502023;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the bankruptcy of this approach would be evident to anyone functionally literate. or for that matter vaguely numerate. 1603231;1484502060;asciilifeform;recall the old observation about how 'communism must expand and destroy healthy tissue, or die' ? 1603232;1484502063;mircea_popescu;same thing with fucking apple, "we'll make tools that make the users dumb but happy". really ? and who will defend you, when the guys who made their users smart but uncomfortable come seeking your head ? 1603233;1484502076;mircea_popescu;dude they don't have to be stupid just because they're stupid. 1603234;1484502080;asciilifeform;europe was (theoretical) threat, so now it will be converted into exact copy of usa. 1603235;1484502096;asciilifeform;with ~50% violently illiterate halfwits, etc. 1603236;1484502113;asciilifeform;and real estate racket in the now-so 'valuable' exclusion zones. 1603237;1484502125;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt it needed any help with that ; by churchill's time england was entirely that already. started in manchester cca 1800s. 1603238;1484502140;mircea_popescu;at a time the usian methodists etc were trying hard to resist that tide all over east coast mill towns 1603239;1484502150;mircea_popescu;what with all the nunneries. 1603240;1484502192;mircea_popescu;phf it's interesting how un-alphabetic their approach is, also. "you will learn these three hieroglyphs ; and shame on mp for using longer words than 4 letters, it's not really writing when you do that!" 1603241;1484502248;phf;"multiple choice" is sop for everything here 1603242;1484502301;mircea_popescu;i can 60% a 4-choice test on any topic in klingon. 1603243;1484502316;mircea_popescu;so can most everyone. 1603244;1484502353;mircea_popescu;worst fucking cypher ever. 1603245;1484502377;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at one point they tried to abolish the obviously-comical 'multiple choice', in favour of... worse thing, can you picture: 1603246;1484502384;asciilifeform;machine-scored freeform essay ! 1603247;1484502392;asciilifeform;(i shit thee not) 1603248;1484502408;mircea_popescu;actually (evidently nobodyu's done this, because hurr, experts, hurr, cryptographers, hurr durr) but it would be amusing to run simple word length averaging on random selection of multiple choice tests, see how often you can crack it with no other measure 1603249;1484502420;mircea_popescu;"we created ai that can pass any college exam. it... counts letters." 1603250;1484502436;asciilifeform;aaactually 1603251;1484502456;asciilifeform;this was done for the old entrance exam ('sat') in 1990s, and turned into a 'THEY dun want YOU to KNOW!!111' b00k, and fixed. 1603252;1484502465;mircea_popescu;heh 1603253;1484502478;mircea_popescu;i take the nobody back then. impressive enough. 1603254;1484502524;asciilifeform;in the old dayz, there was a somewhat more 'turkish' system in usa, when the snake had not yet shed its vestigial legs, and 'merit' still had to be faked into existence for the children of the anointed. 1603255;1484502535;asciilifeform;so the exams had 'magic tricks' built in, like this. 1603256;1484502546;asciilifeform;then -- fixed, because nobody gave any longer half a shit about exams. 1603257;1484502553;asciilifeform;'holistic', see, admissions, nao. 1603258;1484502588;mircea_popescu;holy sticks. 1603259;1484502761;asciilifeform;3 types of meatstock are bred for the college racket in usa: the slum bunnies ('diversity admit', they bring in usg payola), the eloi (actual future mandarins, small numbers, they zuckerberg around, you will find'em on rowboats, yachts), and the peasants (most of the chumpers. their purpose is to service nondischargeable debt for the rest of their natural lives.) 1603260;1484502858;phf;missing the quarterbackers from your list 1603261;1484502879;asciilifeform;where i went, they were mostly in first category. 1603262;1484502883;mircea_popescu;hey, for as long as the fathers of peasants buy into the nonsense dissected in http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/#selection-89.0-93.622 that arrangement is sustainable, i guess. 1603263;1484502896;mircea_popescu;phf i was thinking, wtf, college for any other purpose than slut magnet ? where's he live. 1603264;1484502941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they fall into the 3rd category -- they exist so that male chumper has TWO sets of nondischargeable loan to service, vs 1. 1603265;1484502945;mircea_popescu;us college exists principally to make young women comfortable with being naked in public and such basics, as far as anyone can tell. 1603266;1484502970;mircea_popescu;nudist beaches would do ~same service, but whatevs. 1603267;1484502974;asciilifeform;i am looking at this farm through the lens of the farmer, rather than the cow. 1603268;1484502977;phf;well, umd campus is large, and tech buildings are, as is usually the case, are in the remote corner. you have to track all the way past the student center, to the other side, where poliscy and sociology are 1603269;1484502989;asciilifeform;to the cow -- yes, farm exists to supply tasty snacks and warm place to moo. 1603270;1484503000;mircea_popescu;and "communications" and "arts" and "multimedia" and "drama" and the list goes on 1603271;1484503013;mircea_popescu;wtf is communications anyway. 1603272;1484503017;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phf is quite right, the place was astonishingly physically segregated 1603273;1484503021;asciilifeform;almost like 2 separate unis. 1603274;1484503045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: intro to journawhoring 1603275;1484503070;phf;right, there's a very distinct continuum, with compsci building on one end and rhsmith of business on the other 1603276;1484503071;mircea_popescu;label entirely bereft of any meaning, it's like going to cooking school called "alchemy" 1603277;1484503085;mircea_popescu;and the ~only "media" they study in this "multimedia" is youtube shorts. 1603278;1484503113;mircea_popescu;which are worse than ads ffs. 1603279;1484503142;phf;actually, this is pretty hilarious. because you can walk a reasonably straight line and get: compsci, electric engineering, chemistry, math, student center, political science, cultural studies, arts, business buildings in that order 1603280;1484503167;mircea_popescu;and where's the best parties ? 1603281;1484503202;phf;left of the line 1603282;1484503217;mircea_popescu;immediately outside campus ? 1603283;1484503234;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: yup, ready to rock in 60 mins for the auction. 1603284;1484503247;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nice, your stuff is all laid out for you. 1603285;1484503303;pete_dushenski;cool thx 1603286;1484503324;phf;left of the line it runs on campus housing, the three bars where everyone gets shitface and then sororities (i suspect fraternities are also there, but no idea) 1603287;1484503325;*;pete_dushenski is such a noob at eulora... 1603288;1484503365;phf;so yeah, it's immediately outside campus 1603289;1484503539;mircea_popescu;is the "charitable" pretense that was going on in the 90s still going strong or is it starting to go away ? 1603290;1484503613;phf;"charitable" pretense? 1603291;1484503776;ben_vulpes;and in other ai herpderps: https://www.inverse.com/article/26054-google-home-bots-falling-in-love-on-twitch-is-the-best-romance-of-2017 1603292;1484503791;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ack 1603293;1484503795;mircea_popescu;you know, sororities supposedly existed not to get the members deflowered but to "service the community" 1603294;1484503804;mircea_popescu;so it kept pushing teenage ditzes into old people's homes and whatnot. 1603295;1484503907;phf;i'm pretty sure that whole angle is never going away, at least it was as strong while i was there. one sort of complements the other. 1603296;1484503917;pete_dushenski;http://www.tinhouse.com/blog/45211/ask-a-librarian-whats-the-strangest-thing-youve-found-in-a-library-book.html << heh, can BingoBoingo top a whole cooked shrimp ? 1603297;1484503931;mircea_popescu;at some point in the 60s/70s it was mostly about personal achievement 1603298;1484503965;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well there is that nice video of the girl sticking dildos inside etc 1603299;1484504260;mircea_popescu;anyway, this shift from "spend your free time getting better and let the others acquire that as best they can" to "spend your free time giving yourself for free and forget improvement" is very much the reason america even needs to be made great again. r&d ended up cut out of the loop as it were ; who wants the time of some dork "as she is". 1603300;1484504286;mircea_popescu;"somebody who has no other options, evidently" "oh yeah, and HOW did they end up not having other options ?" "ikr! SOCIALISM FOREVAR!!1" 1603301;1484504290;phf;umd is a public school, there's not necessarily "tradition of excellence" when it comes sororities/fraternities. it's the least common denominator herding kind of thing, with corresponding activities 1603302;1484504310;mircea_popescu;but in the late 60s there was :) 1603303;1484504366;phf;i have two or three friends who were proud of their ivy fraternities, and i checked, umd had a chapter for one of them, stopped qualifying sometime in the 80s 1603304;1484504386;phf;other two would never even consider 1603305;1484504469;phf;so it's a divergent process, you have mediocrity taking over, while excellence retreating 1603306;1484504721;mircea_popescu;aha. 1603307;1484504728;mircea_popescu;retreating where exactly is an open question, but sure. 1603308;1484504961;phf;i want to believe that there's a dusty attic somewhere on upenn campus, grandfathered in of course, with a library and a secret liquor store, where boys wearing ascots meet to discuss their progress at becoming men 1603309;1484504997;mircea_popescu;this somewhat in the vein of "i want to believe these eggs weren't actually shat by the dumbest thing on the farm." 1603310;1484506140;phf;actually funniest "charitable" pretense is some years ago kate michaels raising money for underprivileged kids so that they can play polo. every time i remember it i crack up 1603311;1484506276;mircea_popescu;cargo cultism all the way. 1603312;1484506396;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: where does the eulora client hide the in-game logs ? 1603313;1484506431;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski $home/.Eulora/logs/ 1603314;1484506447;pete_dushenski;cheers 1603315;1484506582;pete_dushenski;another dumb q : the auction convo just happens in the 'auction' tab, yes ? 1603316;1484506588;mircea_popescu;no. 1603317;1484506593;mircea_popescu;come to the town up teh hill 1603318;1484506601;mircea_popescu;yer supposed to lay out the merchandize and so forth 1603319;1484506633;pete_dushenski;uhh hm. 1603320;1484506741;mircea_popescu;wouldja join #eulora eh. 1603321;1484506787;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ^ 1603322;1484507146;Framedragger;unrelated to anything, just a nice writeup by djb about his conference trip to st petersburg: http://cr.yp.to/conferences/russia.html 1603323;1484507167;Framedragger;" The phone rang shortly after I drifted off. No more jet lag; I jumped out of bed and picked up the phone. Now I'll find out who's been calling, I thought. ``Would you like beautiful Russian sex girl?'' a woman asked. ``No, thank you,'' I said. Couldn't you just hand out forms at the front desk? I thought. I went back to sleep. " 1603324;1484507227;mircea_popescu;who doesn't want beautiful russian sex girls ;/ 1603325;1484507296;phf;the kind of people who think that the only better way to say no to a beautiful russian sex girl is to do it over a form 1603326;1484507304;mircea_popescu;for srs. 1603327;1484507320;mircea_popescu;YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO FUCK HER 1603328;1484507355;Framedragger;that's a good point. why not a good late night chat with beautiful russian girl. 1603329;1484507378;mircea_popescu;i certainly spent way more time chatting with whores than fucking them. no regrets. 1603330;1484507443;Framedragger;another film recommendation by association - documentary: "whore's glory" - by one glawogger (who died from malaria or somesuch while filming in liberia or somewheresuch), a bunch of interviews with whores in bangladesh, thailand etc 1603331;1484507458;Framedragger;nice rapport, nice camera work. 1603332;1484507477;mircea_popescu;well an interview may be too formal, but yeh 1603333;1484507504;Framedragger;(it's more like them just talking in the film, i must say it is really a nice watch) 1603334;1484507527;Framedragger;some of his films are available as media download on archive.org iirc 1603335;1484507571;Framedragger;s/whore's/whores'/ 1603336;1484507974;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603324 << everybody wants 'beautiful sex gurl' but i suppose not everybody wants 'walk off with your wallet gurl' 1603337;1484507974;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 19:07 mircea_popescu: who doesn't want beautiful russian sex girls ;/ 1603338;1484508035;mircea_popescu;hotel hookers aren't dangerous. think for a second. 1603339;1484508055;asciilifeform;(while we're on subj, mircea_popesculandia was interesting in re whores, they had ads for'em pasted on every surface, dumpsters, light poles, bus stations, as if they were plumbers in usa) 1603340;1484508074;mircea_popescu;whoring is legal here. 1603341;1484508100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite obviously i do not know bernstein as a human, but can only conjecture, that he felt like a proper rube , ripe for fleecing in orc land. 1603342;1484508109;asciilifeform;(from my reading of the text.) 1603343;1484508119;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1603344;1484508242;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603310 << eh hey hundred years ago they started 'raising money for underprivileged' so they could derp around 'learning' the liberal arts, and that's how we go to here. 1603345;1484508242;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 18:49 phf: actually funniest "charitable" pretense is some years ago kate michaels raising money for underprivileged kids so that they can play polo. every time i remember it i crack up 1603346;1484508250;asciilifeform;what polo could compare. 1603347;1484508867;mircea_popescu;in other news pete_dushenski is actually a pretty clever auctioneer, once he overcomes not having done homewerks through listening to the market chatter. 1603348;1484513895;danielpbarron;yeah, thanks pete_dushenski for the auctioneering 1603349;1484514850;asciilifeform;in other lelz, http://electrospaces.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-presidential-communications.html >> 'a special cover plate had to be made to cover the 50 direct line buttons, to prevent visitors from seeing who Obama's primary phone contacts were' 1603350;1484514890;asciilifeform;also lulzy is the visible to naked eye disjunction between the 'sv world' (the cisco phones) and ye olde Golden Toilets That Worked (the raytheon thing) 1603351;1484514900;mircea_popescu;aha 1603352;1484514922;asciilifeform;'For security reasons, the wireless connections of the president's iPad are disabled.' 1603353;1484514974;mircea_popescu;those security reasons being "apple could buy russia", of coruse. 1603354;1484515050;mircea_popescu;!!up indiancandy 1603355;1484515050;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1603356;1484515064;indiancandy;thanks i downloaded kleoptra 1603357;1484515070;indiancandy;i just duno how to use this 1603358;1484515107;mircea_popescu;iirc shinohai helps distressed damsels in exchange for nudiecams. 1603359;1484515124;indiancandy;does he 1603360;1484515145;shinohai;I can be humble servant or cruel taskmaster. 1603361;1484515148;shinohai;Ypour choice. 1603362;1484515154;indiancandy;servant 1603363;1484515158;danielpbarron;lol 1603364;1484515170;mircea_popescu;dang these ai lisp bots are getting better by the day 1603365;1484515184;indiancandy;wait is shino a bot 1603366;1484515185;indiancandy;:( 1603367;1484515204;shinohai;Nope 1603368;1484515208;mircea_popescu;what do you care, he still gets the job done! 1603369;1484515216;indiancandy;true 1603370;1484515225;indiancandy;so how do i activate kleo 1603371;1484515258;shinohai;But if you want to shove batteries in me and make me do repetitious tasks, I do enjoy roleplay. 1603372;1484515270;indiancandy;shino 1603373;1484515276;indiancandy;help me 1603374;1484515278;indiancandy;il show u tits 1603375;1484515368;shinohai;indiancandy: I used this link to help Eulora noobs a bit ttps://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/02/21/pgp-tutorial-for-windows-kleopatra-gpg4win/ 1603376;1484515381;shinohai;If you are stuck on Windows, which I must assume so. 1603377;1484515391;indiancandy;yea 1603378;1484515393;indiancandy;windows 1603379;1484515439;shinohai;Then that *should* explain most of it, feel free to PM if you get stuck, happy to guide you through. 1603380;1484515571;indiancandy;whats the passphrase/ 1603381;1484515580;shinohai;You make one up. 1603382;1484515602;shinohai;So to sign/decrypt a document, you will need to enter pass[hrase to complete. 1603383;1484515937;indiancandy;im on part 5 now 1603384;1484515941;indiancandy;wow i made it this far 1603385;1484515944;indiancandy;#roud 1603386;1484515946;indiancandy;proud 1603387;1484515999;indiancandy;do i need to go on 1603388;1484516036;indiancandy;can u teamviewer me 1603389;1484516041;indiancandy;shino 1603390;1484516137;shinohai;not a good idea to teamviewer for security purposes but ... lemme see here. 1603391;1484516151;indiancandy;why 1603392;1484516153;indiancandy;i trust u 1603393;1484516155;indiancandy;lol 1603394;1484516157;indiancandy;should inot 1603395;1484516192;shinohai;lol 1603396;1484516220;shinohai;actually if you have your public key now, just paste it here: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ 1603397;1484516266;shinohai;once you get a link to it, simply register it with deedbot thus: !!register 1603398;1484516426;shinohai;hmmm ... how does one even teamviewer on gentoo? I feel like if I typr `emerge --ask teamviewer` my computer will die of sadness. 1603399;1484516461;indiancandy;im stuck 1603400;1484516467;indiancandy;ahahah 1603401;1484516472;indiancandy;u need a normal pc 1603402;1484516477;indiancandy;damnu 1603403;1484516493;shinohai;indiancandy: you said you were able to perform Step 3 correct? 1603404;1484516508;shinohai;(Obtain public key) 1603405;1484516537;indiancandy;yea 1603406;1484516540;indiancandy;im stuck on 5 1603407;1484516564;shinohai;no need to worry bout that one at the moment 1603408;1484516589;shinohai;Take public key (step3) paste it here: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ 1603409;1484516595;shinohai;and lemme know when you got it 1603410;1484516596;indiancandy;wait 1603411;1484516599;indiancandy;this shit is in chinese 1603412;1484516601;indiancandy;i swear 1603413;1484516605;indiancandy;is it supoosed to be 1603414;1484516612;indiancandy;i opened it in notepad 1603415;1484516613;indiancandy;ahaha 1603416;1484516659;shinohai;yeah it looks like a page full of nonsense 1603417;1484516672;shinohai;but that is your "public key" 1603418;1484516727;indiancandy;ok 1603419;1484516728;indiancandy;then 1603420;1484516738;indiancandy;i pasteit into candadianhackr 1603421;1484516739;indiancandy;then 1603422;1484516761;shinohai;take the link and type here: !!register 1603423;1484516768;shinohai;(here in chat) 1603424;1484516776;indiancandy;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/TJ2wb/?raw=true 1603425;1484516777;indiancandy;? 1603426;1484516785;indiancandy;!!register 1603427;1484516786;deedbot;Import failed for indiancandy. 1603428;1484516786;shinohai;whoa 1603429;1484516790;indiancandy;sorry 1603430;1484516791;shinohai;I just see boxes 1603431;1484516793;indiancandy;it failed 1603432;1484516796;indiancandy;im confused 1603433;1484516805;shinohai;!!key shinohai 1603434;1484516807;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/260fa57bce677a5c04bf60ba4a75883cc1b1d34c.asc 1603435;1484516817;shinohai;^ your public key *should* look like that 1603436;1484516843;indiancandy;!!register <だ댧卾ᅟ룱ࢤ�ᫎ䂳䯫证慢ቊ콥贐较本덁㡚࠘譂ꘪ蜈出ᜄ粘锝⛥箥戴ᷜꔐ俟组․ഒ㻒㌕낌ᥥ款ړ忲䧚뾨շ脵됾쓰娊嫥៏䙿槥晥获᷑룜巵歛踈> 1603437;1484516843;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1603438;1484516866;indiancandy;mate 1603439;1484516872;indiancandy;this is stress 1603440;1484516879;shinohai;!!up indiancandy 1603441;1484516880;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1603442;1484516885;danielpbarron;prolly need to ascii armor it 1603443;1484516892;indiancandy;what 1603444;1484516915;danielpbarron;when you did whatever you did to open notepad, was there a checkbox that said something like "ASCII Armor" 1603445;1484516944;indiancandy;no 1603446;1484516955;shinohai;Usually in Kleopatra, it asks you to save the cert, you give it name as a .txt file, and can open it in notepad 1603447;1484516988;indiancandy;yea 1603448;1484516989;indiancandy;then 1603449;1484516998;indiancandy;whenu open it its chinese writing 1603450;1484517011;shinohai;Weird 1603451;1484517025;indiancandy;だ댧卾ᅟ룱ࢤ�ᫎ䂳䯫证慢ቊ콥贐较本덁㡚࠘譂ꘪ蜈出ᜄ粘锝⛥箥戴ᷜꔐ俟组․ഒ㻒㌕낌ᥥ款ړ忲䧚뾨շ脵됾쓰娊嫥៏䙿槥晥获᷑룜巵歛踈 1603452;1484517033;indiancandy;i give up 1603453;1484517034;indiancandy;sorry 1603454;1484517036;indiancandy;lol 1603455;1484517036;indiancandy;:( 1603456;1484517063;shinohai;indiancandy: I'll find a teamviewer solution if it will make you happy, but may take me a bit. 1603457;1484517085;indiancandy;ok 1603458;1484517088;indiancandy;thnx 1603459;1484517089;indiancandy;u rock 1603460;1484517094;indiancandy;my socks 1603461;1484517121;shinohai;I hope so, I can resell those socks at 75% 1603462;1484517229;danielpbarron;indiancandy, right click and export cert again, and there should be a box you can check 1603463;1484517269;indiancandy;i soldmypubes 1603464;1484517271;indiancandy;i swear 1603465;1484517274;indiancandy;2days ago 1603466;1484517278;indiancandy;for 45pound 1603467;1484517282;indiancandy;pubic trimming 1603468;1484517345;shinohai;I always loved assisting the Colombian girls with their sales. The limits of fetish indeed know no bounds. 1603469;1484517393;indiancandy;you should asist e 1603470;1484517394;indiancandy;ne* 1603471;1484517396;indiancandy;me* 1603472;1484517489;shinohai;do you just work one site or multiples? 1603473;1484517629;indiancandy;just 1 1603474;1484517638;indiancandy;wanna learnchatrubate 1603475;1484517643;indiancandy;i find it so complex 1603476;1484517647;indiancandy;and all these new sites 1603477;1484517648;indiancandy;comin up 1603478;1484517651;indiancandy;duno if they r gd 1603479;1484517657;indiancandy;which 1 do u kno off 1603480;1484517693;shinohai;Well XHamster is where i did most business 1603481;1484517708;shinohai;they accept Bitcoin, albeit through bitpay 1603482;1484517802;shinohai;link to your myfreecams profile? DOn't think I have seen it. 1603483;1484518032;indiancandy;mfc.im/sexyxshanti 1603484;1484518037;indiancandy;xham a tube 1603485;1484518074;shinohai;https://xhamsterlive.com/ 1603486;1484518161;indiancandy;ooo 1603487;1484518168;shinohai;Also http://oglaf.com/fistofelt/ 1603488;1484518182;shinohai;http://oglaf.com/fistofelt/Strangely, oglaf is quite relevant today. 1603489;1484518227;mircea_popescu;this looks like it's been going well... 1603490;1484518445;mircea_popescu;lol the devil suit in a devil suit wasn't too basd 1603491;1484518673;ben_vulpes;subject of devil suits... http://killsixbilliondemons.com/ 1603492;1484518770;shinohai;Well I did manage to follow you on twitter indiancandy ... mfc is quite possibly the most horrid cam site I have ever seen. 1603493;1484518773;shinohai;!!up indiancandy 1603494;1484518774;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1603495;1484518790;indiancandy;lol 1603496;1484518791;indiancandy;y 1603497;1484518833;indiancandy;whats wrong 1603498;1484518834;indiancandy;with it 1603499;1484518841;indiancandy;i dunoo i never used any other ones 1603500;1484518846;indiancandy;to compare 1603501;1484518859;shinohai;It feels .... cramped 1603502;1484518873;shinohai;or cluttered I dunno, lots of stuff on the screen 1603503;1484518946;indiancandy;oh yh 1603504;1484518953;indiancandy;lol 1603505;1484518978;mircea_popescu;shinohai camwhoring altogether is a pretty abject occupation. 1603506;1484519063;indiancandy;no one asked u sir 1603507;1484519074;indiancandy;kol 1603508;1484519075;shinohai;I do wonder how some of these girls keep their sanity. I guess I count blessings I have no boobs and merely offer behind the scenes services. 1603509;1484519087;indiancandy;i couldnt use toys 1603510;1484519091;indiancandy;i duno i see some girls 1603511;1484519093;indiancandy;with big totys 1603512;1484519094;indiancandy;toys 1603513;1484519096;indiancandy;im like wtf 1603514;1484519099;indiancandy;everyday 1603515;1484519100;indiancandy;omg 1603516;1484519101;indiancandy;nasty 1603517;1484519135;mircea_popescu;and with the one word per line! 1603518;1484519179;asciilifeform;'Even in March 2016, when a full IT modernization had already started (see below), Obama said that the pop-culture depiction of presidential-grade technology and the real world are far apart: movies and TV shows "make it appear as if I’m in the [Situation] room and moving things. [We] have half a finger print and a half an hour later I’m tracking a guy on streets of Istanbul. Doesn’t work that way, no. Sometimes I’m just tryi 1603519;1484519179;asciilifeform;ng to get a connection."' 1603520;1484519186;shinohai;One girl I know on xhamster has a regular that plops down 1000 tokens at a time for her to print out pics of him and piss on them. 1603521;1484519196;shinohai;had to help her set up a goddamned printer. 1603522;1484519207;ben_vulpes;how much does a token cost? 1603523;1484519237;indiancandy;not sure 1603524;1484519238;mircea_popescu;lmao 1603525;1484519244;indiancandy;500 is 45pound 1603526;1484519259;indiancandy;is xhamster good 1603527;1484519261;indiancandy;i might join 1603528;1484519294;shinohai;1000 tokens is roughly $100 1603529;1484519306;mircea_popescu;actually at 100 bux or whatever this isn't the worst way to get at people. have woman print dude's pic, take a shit on it, then keep rickrolling him with the video. 1603530;1484519323;mircea_popescu;cost of a half-decent meal. 1603531;1484519352;indiancandy;idont doo insertion 1603532;1484519353;indiancandy;or anything 1603533;1484519357;indiancandy;i rarely cum 1603534;1484519359;indiancandy;jus tease 1603535;1484519365;indiancandy;make 2000 a month 1603536;1484519369;indiancandy;for few hours a day 1603537;1484519370;indiancandy;not bad 1603538;1484519387;shinohai;The only old part for me was translating filthy messages from English to Spanish and back again 1603539;1484519394;mircea_popescu;indiancandy wouldn't you be better off if you simply went to every house in london, knocked on door, asked them if they want to move you in the closet and use you sexually for a coupla grand a month ? 1603540;1484519403;mircea_popescu;you could call it "au pire" 1603541;1484519409;indiancandy;ahahah 1603542;1484519412;indiancandy;yea 1603543;1484519419;indiancandy;i dont like physical 1603544;1484519424;indiancandy;i havent had sex in 4months 1603545;1484519425;indiancandy;im off it 1603546;1484519441;mircea_popescu;you don't eat beef, don't take the cock, what do you do, play wow all day ? 1603547;1484519476;mircea_popescu;if you shot a guy they'd put you away, in ~the same conditions, for free. why even hussle, just go shoot a neighbour and be done. 1603548;1484519588;indiancandy;i know im weird 1603549;1484519592;indiancandy;i go to the gym 1603550;1484519594;indiancandy;thats fun 1603551;1484519596;indiancandy;and sit on mfc 1603552;1484519600;indiancandy;i have social anxiety 1603553;1484519601;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that;s the lulziest part of it all, that somehow "nobody knows" just how naked the emperor is. meanwhile i have better connectivity than obama, and i mean that literally. and from a security perspective foremost. 1603554;1484519604;indiancandy;hate meeting new people 1603555;1484519617;shinohai;you met me today :( 1603556;1484519626;mircea_popescu;you don't count cuz online. 1603557;1484519631;indiancandy;exactly 1603558;1484519638;mircea_popescu;(+ 2 2) shinohai 1603559;1484519665;shinohai;I'm an entity. Once you let me near teamviewer or something you will feel my presence 1603560;1484519669;shinohai;lol 1603561;1484519724;shinohai;Sign into xhamster ..... 85 messages 1603562;1484519735;indiancandy;from who 1603563;1484519738;indiancandy;mdels? 1603564;1484519740;indiancandy;models 1603565;1484519745;indiancandy;if i join wil u help me 1603566;1484519749;indiancandy;navigate 1603567;1484519757;shinohai;What is Bitcoin? DO you manage websites and accounts? 1603568;1484519775;shinohai;I heard you know where to xchange tokens for giftcards,coins, etc 1603569;1484519783;*;mircea_popescu looks... social media bots handled 41k messages this week. 1603570;1484519787;shinohai;Any mixture of that 1603571;1484519792;mircea_popescu;shinohai sounds like a consultancy biz right there. 1603572;1484519801;asciilifeform;'President Obama talks on the phone with president Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine about the Malaysia Airlines plane crash in eastern Ukraine, July 17, 2014. Here we see the new phone in gray, and as Obama's finger is covering the red light, and the green light is off, it seems a secure call.' 1603573;1484519835;shinohai;Yeah I think the universe has been trying to tell me to work with camwhores ever since I found trilema 1603574;1484519848;mircea_popescu;there's worse bunnies. 1603575;1484519909;shinohai;I'd really like to have a few nice girls for more long-term profitable relationships. I hate the one-off emails. 1603576;1484519933;mircea_popescu;that's where the problems begin. 1603577;1484519970;shinohai;I still do work for Paula sometimes, she's great to work with. 1603578;1484519973;mircea_popescu;postmodern age === age of insanity. average individual is incapable of either forming or maintaining relationships much like a decerebrated pigeon is incapable of building a nest. 1603579;1484519987;mircea_popescu;which one was paula ? 1603580;1484520028;shinohai;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ilasxve-560x456.png 1603581;1484520041;indiancandy;you should download kik messenger 1603582;1484520051;indiancandy;its good to keep in touch with ppl without ur nunber 1603583;1484520052;mircea_popescu;ah ok 1603584;1484520103;shinohai;kik doesnt work on my phone, i have used whatsapp before if i just *have* to 1603585;1484520152;indiancandy;whatsap is so shite 1603586;1484520157;indiancandy;so is kik 1603587;1484520160;indiancandy;they all are 1603588;1484520164;indiancandy;social media is terrible 1603589;1484520173;indiancandy;unless your usuing it to promote a product 1603590;1484520177;indiancandy;i dont see much use of it 1603591;1484520270;shinohai;twitter is a very, very useful hunting ground if you collect .... slaves indiancandy 1603592;1484520396;mircea_popescu;o ? 1603593;1484520410;indiancandy;is it how 1603594;1484520419;indiancandy;teach me o wise one 1603595;1484520499;shinohai;What's my end if I turn you into a successful findom queen? I mean, that's quite a lucrative gig I'd just be turning over .... 1603596;1484520517;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's definitely a living in... well, pimping the girls, i suppose. most cam talent is utterly incapable of about half the stuff it has to do and entirely unmotivated to do the rest. if you do for them what shop management does for mcdonalds ewelets a la http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ you can in principle increase their income 10 to 100 and eat half to two thirds of that. 1603597;1484520572;mircea_popescu;course there's a bunch of dudes chasing that same buck, but they're mostly dorks. 1603598;1484520606;shinohai;!!up indiancandy 1603599;1484520606;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1603600;1484520699;indiancandy;yea 1603601;1484520703;indiancandy;what mp said 1603602;1484520710;indiancandy;il be mcdonald 1603603;1484520716;indiancandy;n u r shop mgnmmtn 1603604;1484520828;shinohai;Can you follow me on twitter so I don't have to visit mfc no more than humanly possible? 1603605;1484520883;indiancandy;is ur handle shinohai 1603606;1484520887;indiancandy;can u get snapchat? 1603607;1484520892;indiancandy;im the most active there 1603608;1484520920;indiancandy;satoshi r u japanese 1603609;1484520922;mircea_popescu;the insanity of people on irc trying to find alternative means to communicate... but anyway. 1603610;1484520940;indiancandy;sorry 1603611;1484520945;indiancandy;but im not always here 1603612;1484520947;indiancandy;am i 1603613;1484520950;indiancandy;dont get offended 1603614;1484520953;indiancandy;lol i stole ur friend 1603615;1484520958;shinohai;hmmm will look into snapchat never used it 1603616;1484521018;indiancandy;i followed u back 1603617;1484521045;shinohai;ty o/ 1603618;1484521062;mircea_popescu;dun worry about it lel 1603619;1484521182;shinohai;"We're sorry, Snapchat has not detected a camera on your device and will now exit" 1603620;1484521184;shinohai;lame 1603621;1484521237;indiancandy;odd 1603622;1484521242;indiancandy;download kik 1603623;1484521348;shinohai;I already know kik doesn't work unfortunately. 1603624;1484521356;indiancandy;watso 1603625;1484521363;indiancandy;is my last option 1603626;1484521441;danielpbarron;or just get in the habit of reading this log every day 1603627;1484521470;indiancandy;is there an app 1603628;1484521474;indiancandy;for hexchatt 1603629;1484521489;danielpbarron;there are irc apps as well as a public log you can read in any web browser 1603630;1484521491;shinohai;Well I was trying to avoid littering logs with sex strategy discussion, but if you all enjoy. 1603631;1484521533;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603436 << lol!! 1603632;1484521533;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 21:47 indiancandy: !!register <だ댧卾ᅟ룱ࢤ�ᫎ䂳䯫证慢ቊ콥贐较本덁㡚࠘譂ꘪ蜈出ᜄ粘锝⛥箥戴ᷜꔐ俟组․ഒ㻒㌕낌ᥥ款ړ忲䧚뾨շ脵됾쓰娊嫥៏䙿槥晥获᷑룜巵歛踈> 1603633;1484521545;danielpbarron;could add a new channel to the trilema network of channels 1603634;1484521598;shinohai;#trilema-harem 1603635;1484521608;indiancandy;yea 1603636;1484521613;indiancandy;il be the bottom bitch 1603637;1484521616;indiancandy;first lady 1603638;1484521631;asciilifeform;!b 2 1603639;1484521636;asciilifeform;hm 1603640;1484521637;shinohai;No, I need you to be cold, cruel, and dominant. 1603641;1484521642;shinohai;We got Bitcoin to make. 1603642;1484521742;indiancandy;add whatsao 1603643;1484521750;indiancandy;i feel like 1603644;1484521755;indiancandy;this is confidential 1603645;1484521756;indiancandy;info 1603646;1484521756;indiancandy;lol 1603647;1484522793;shinohai;!!up indiancandy 1603648;1484522793;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1603649;1484522798;shinohai;!!up Ab 1603650;1484522798;deedbot;Ab voiced for 30 minutes. 1603651;1484522801;shinohai;well 1603652;1484522827;shinohai;!!up flamingtireinashitpit 1603653;1484522827;deedbot;flamingtireinashitpit voiced for 30 minutes. 1603654;1484522926;indiancandy;what a name 1603655;1484522929;indiancandy;lol 1603656;1484523109;asciilifeform;!!up randomstringoftext 1603657;1484523110;deedbot;randomstringoftext voiced for 30 minutes. 1603658;1484523115;asciilifeform;ahahahaha lolk. 1603659;1484523176;indiancandy;bots 1603660;1484523179;indiancandy;right 1603661;1484523182;indiancandy;whose creating them 1603662;1484523184;indiancandy;jeez 1603663;1484523187;shinohai;!~ty 1603664;1484523187;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy 1603665;1484523188;indiancandy;did u watch the news 1603666;1484523191;indiancandy;today 1603667;1484523195;indiancandy;about robots in germany 1603668;1484523205;indiancandy;and how europe are going to add new laws 1603669;1484523216;indiancandy;to prosecute if robots commit crimes 1603670;1484523218;indiancandy;insane 1603671;1484523218;asciilifeform;!!up deedbotreallyoughttocheckifexists 1603672;1484523219;deedbot;deedbotreallyoughttocheckifexists voiced for 30 minutes. 1603673;1484523221;indiancandy;zorobot 1603674;1484523231;shinohai;Nazibots eh 1603675;1484523253;shinohai;Hitler3000 ....at yer service. 1603676;1484523335;indiancandy;its scarey 1603677;1484523348;indiancandy;they dont have a off button as off yet 1603678;1484523349;indiancandy;of* 1603679;1484526185;trinque;asciilifeform: mno, shouldn't add reliance on state where there is currently none 1603680;1484526194;trinque;I don't trust freenode to keep my table of available nicks accurate 1603681;1484526206;trinque;it'd put me in the position later where people are complaining that some nick can't be upped 1603682;1484526238;trinque;better to just issue whatever command lord gave, lord himself can see later if it's what he actually wanted 1603683;1484529622;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603630 << you could just start on your lordly mansion, not like you actually need the accolade to maintain it. 1603684;1484529622;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 23:04 shinohai: Well I was trying to avoid littering logs with sex strategy discussion, but if you all enjoy. 1603685;1484529691;*;shinohai hopes being a camho lord doesn't require castration or somesuch. 1603686;1484529725;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine why 1603687;1484529843;mircea_popescu;i wonder what the title would be. lord constable ? master of the horse ? 1603688;1484529859;mircea_popescu;the marshall of the republic! 1603689;1484529931;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603671 << why ? you're not supposed to do this, unless you want to. so don't do it ; and don't expect the bot to override you. 1603690;1484529931;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 23:33 asciilifeform: !!up deedbotreallyoughttocheckifexists 1603691;1484529958;mircea_popescu;trinque has it. 1603692;1484533530;asciilifeform;'twas just a surprise, 'knob goes to eleven?!' is all. 1603693;1484533577;asciilifeform;incidentally, having not yet written a bot, i had nfi re the unreliability of the userlist thing. 1603694;1484535843;mircea_popescu;even as a general principle, having a bot restrain a lord is to be limited to very well justified cases. 1603695;1484537670;BingoBoingo;!~later tell pete_dushenski I am merely trained as a librarian so I only library my own library and thus little weird finds its way into books I lend 1603696;1484537670;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1603697;1484538199;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, the french left is debating "universal income of 750 euros per month", just for you know, existing ; reintroducing the draft (gotta earn that free money after all) ; electing the senate randomly. such topix. 1603698;1484538252;asciilifeform;they cancelled draft?! 1603699;1484538257;mircea_popescu;long ago. 1603700;1484538265;mircea_popescu;anyway, looks like if they manage 10% it'll be a great victory. 1603701;1484538275;mircea_popescu;le pen is gonna murder it. 1603702;1484538320;asciilifeform;the 750 or whichever tribute to the faithful of mohammed, is happening tho. 1603703;1484538330;mircea_popescu;vaguely curious if the "minister for productive recovery" will manage to steal valls' nomination though. 1603704;1484538336;asciilifeform;or ovens. probably no 3rd option. 1603705;1484538346;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for as long as zee germans keep backing the eu finances, sure. 1603706;1484538359;mircea_popescu;the greek thing left its marks. everyone wants free monyz, why not. 1603707;1484538386;mircea_popescu;france was very briefly a northern european country, against its will, under de gaulle. it really wants to go join the southern states where it belongs. 1603708;1484538451;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/fistofelt/ 1603709;1484538458;mircea_popescu;was in log! 1603710;1484538474;BingoBoingo;Oh, I though shinohai reposted devil suits! 1603711;1484538481;mircea_popescu;hm 1603712;1484538498;mircea_popescu;nah i did 1603713;1484538596;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically, the rhodesia of rhodesia was just the first in a string of rhodesiaings. 1603714;1484538876;mircea_popescu;and what great hopes the hollande socialists held in 2012, supermajority in parliament, things they were gonna do... ou sont! 1603715;1484539103;BingoBoingo;The stretch of French history from 2012 through 2016 will now be known as the Hollandaise! 1603716;1484539110;mircea_popescu;quite 1603717;1484540713;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hey, your favourite bahamas lifted sanctions on sudan 1603718;1484540726;BingoBoingo;Orly? 1603719;1484540732;mircea_popescu;yest ya 1603720;1484540763;BingoBoingo;Was he on the Hollandaise Sauce? 1603721;1484540906;mircea_popescu;anyway. the iranians arrested a bunch of us sailors, got the ciphers etc. 1603722;1484541000;mircea_popescu;The humiliating January 12 incident took place when Iranian navy intercepted two American ships off Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf. The US vessels, that according to the Pentagon were on their way from Kuwait to the US naval base in Bahrain, experienced mechanical problems and drifted into Iranian waters where the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) detained everyone onboard. 1603723;1484541010;mircea_popescu;(last year, only now reported.) 1603724;1484541765;BingoBoingo;Oh my! http://qntra.net/2016/01/two-us-navy-boats-and-ten-sailors-in-iranian-custody/ 1603725;1484544441;phf;i knew i read that somewhere.. 1603726;1484545506;BingoBoingo;!~tslb 1603727;1484545507;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 0 seconds 1603728;1484546670;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9F65ADB8AB92731776A305A4C57D79BD5DF2360946DF58E0CC5F3C8DB1D9CBA5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...0103 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.7.232.168 (ssh-rsa key from 217.7.232.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd907e8a8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1603729;1484546670;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9F65ADB8AB92731776A305A4C57D79BD5DF2360946DF58E0CC5F3C8DB1D9CBA5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1779...5337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.7.232.168 (ssh-rsa key from 217.7.232.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pd907e8a8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE) 1603730;1484547750;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/16/a-humble-auctioneer-and-his-record-setting-first-auction/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A humble auctioneer and his record-setting first auction. 1603731;1484568960;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeh much better nao 1603732;1484569004;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, it's from last year. what HADNT come out until now is that the iranians got us naval cipher books. 1603733;1484569031;mircea_popescu;in the best of lights it takes the us navy ONE YEAR to replace those. 1603734;1484569067;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, take that back, now comments are 5 words wide eugh. 1603735;1484570912;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/07/lastpass-sucks-always-sucked/#comment-84397 << this is how passwords for webshits should be done. 1603736;1484571167;mircea_popescu;and btw notice the repeating bits : "gIC0K" ; "jYz" ; "ZT" "Nj" etc etc. 1603737;1484571226;mircea_popescu;that last 2 letter combo recurs 4 times! considering it's base64, odds should be 1/4096 which makes 4 occurences in 177 a little rich. 1603738;1484571343;davout;mircea_popescu: your base64'ing some hex 1603739;1484571372;mircea_popescu;so ? 1603740;1484571385;mircea_popescu;oh textual hex nm 1603741;1484571417;mircea_popescu;echo "hillary2016trilema.com" | sha512sum -b | base64 << correct. 1603742;1484571490;davout;still textual hex 1603743;1484571499;mircea_popescu;wtf. 1603744;1484571511;mircea_popescu;whai doesn't binary switch switch! 1603745;1484571524;davout;"echo "hillary2016qntra.net" | sha512sum | xxd -r -p | base64 --wrap=0" 1603746;1484571539;davout;drops base64 newlines too 1603747;1484571544;mircea_popescu;WHAT THE FUCK "read in binary" dude srsly ? who whore these things. 1603748;1484571565;mircea_popescu;coreutils my left foot. 1603749;1484571609;mircea_popescu;Written by Ulrich Drepper, Scott Miller, and David Madore. 1603750;1484571618;davout;also "echo -n" will not append a newline at the end of the string to be hashed, which might be best, otherwise you could end up in a world of wtf trying to reproduce it with some other setup 1603751;1484571695;mircea_popescu;now let's do a practical exercise : produce a google query which results in the source of drepper's sha512 1603752;1484571709;mircea_popescu;and don't give me the "but mp, depends on implementation" bullshit, because EVIDENTLY IT DOESN'T. 1603753;1484571717;mircea_popescu;everyone uses the same piece of shit written by the same piece of shit. 1603754;1484572012;mircea_popescu;(it's at http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=tree ; but google is STILL USELESS, notwithstanding http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582100 ) 1603755;1484572012;a111;Logged on 2016-12-12 15:38 asciilifeform: it is very easy to piss on google when you don't have to do anything technical with own hands. 1603756;1484572085;mircea_popescu;http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=tree;f=src;h=6e6cdb2f890ae17d51ce5ad7ee265336832754ba;hb=HEAD << why exactly this includes md6sum but not sha sum anything is of course a discussion best left for another time, once MAGA. 1603757;1484572277;jurov;some derpsites have litmitation on pw length, or used chars. Or they get rebranded or force you to change the pw or you want alt account, or... 1603758;1484572306;mircea_popescu;jurov so "echo "hillary2016qntra.netaltaccount" | sha512sum | xxd -r -p | base64 --wrap=0" 1603759;1484572307;jurov;It';s hopeless, no fixed salt+algo can account for everything 1603760;1484572319;mircea_popescu;the output is base64 which i doubt they can narrow further, and if they want fewer you jsut truncate 1603761;1484572324;mircea_popescu;it just did. 1603762;1484572361;jurov;No you have to remember how did you name the alt 1603763;1484572378;mircea_popescu;suppose you always name your alts altone alttwo etc ; or any other fixed scheme 1603764;1484572393;jurov;And where did you truncate it 1603765;1484572399;mircea_popescu;where the site asked. 1603766;1484572404;mircea_popescu;see, it complains, and so you know. 1603767;1484572437;jurov;Oh, you think websites helpfully say how long the want the pw to be? :) 1603768;1484572453;mircea_popescu;(but really most wwwshits just silently truncate your pw ; unless of course you use their own www form for some reason) 1603769;1484572545;jurov;and actually, some require non-alphanum characters 1603770;1484572586;mircea_popescu;base64 does minus and underscore iirc 1603771;1484572623;jurov;see your hillary example 1603772;1484572672;mircea_popescu;$ echo -n "hillary2016qntra.net" | sha512sum | xxd -r -p | base64 --wrap=0 1603773;1484572672;mircea_popescu;42S5KotQ1F1d0eL7+xYfMDu4vmMzSzU3c343bgwlSNI4Ht7YfhhDdD2tTdIxAMmPtcOg1509EkhIsMRMLvbdaA== 1603774;1484572691;mircea_popescu;now it looks proper, ty danielpbarron 1603775;1484572694;mircea_popescu;davout * 1603776;1484572720;jurov;i wish it was all contrived... but started getting these nasty flashbacks on various webshit pw requirements, yuck 1603777;1484572765;davout;yeah, the issue is that some will *require* a fucking dollar sign, other ones will *prohibit* it 1603778;1484572810;davout;also "can't have same password as your previous one" derpage 1603779;1484572814;mircea_popescu;now i made a string of qntra comments lol 1603780;1484572841;mircea_popescu;davout who requires a $ ?! 1603781;1484572841;davout;(which obviously leads to $password$n, with $n increasing monotonically) 1603782;1484572867;davout;"you must have speshul characters in your passwerd" 1603783;1484572876;mircea_popescu;+ < 1603784;1484572884;jurov;i'd rather have gpg key autogenerated from some salt instead, that is guaranteed to never run into webshit derpage 1603785;1484572907;davout;right 1603786;1484572936;mircea_popescu;hey, i'd rather the web went back to what it can do, and forgot all this "logins, because state over stateless, because PROGRESS MAKES IDIOCY POSSIBLE!!1" 1603787;1484573036;mircea_popescu;in other words dude the sha512 in coreutils 8.26 is the lulz. 1603788;1484573083;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mT2R0/?raw=true and other such wonders. 1603789;1484573105;mircea_popescu;sorry about the paste, i'd like to reference like a civilised person, but gnu isn't quite there yet. perhaps in another century or two. 1603790;1484573152;mircea_popescu;and i mean this literally, their web-accessible coreutils/lib/ is empty ; gotta fish it out off the ftp zips 1603791;1484574701;mircea_popescu;and in other google lulz : https://archive.is/ykPaj 1603792;1484574725;mircea_popescu;everything BUT the article. including every article that mentions it by name (such as through the latest articles list). but not IT! 1603793;1484574737;mircea_popescu;and supposedly this is done without (bad) manual intervention, somehow. 1603794;1484574859;davout;i get it as first result fwiw 1603795;1484575003;mircea_popescu;rly ? 1603796;1484575174;davout;http://i.imgur.com/zuuNM4V.png 1603797;1484575205;davout;interdastingly, the archive link from ten minutes ago comes second 1603798;1484575288;mircea_popescu;weird. 1603799;1484575300;mircea_popescu;oh, because string matches but domain doesn't see. 1603800;1484576948;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/google-ycombinates-also/ << Trilema - Google Ycombinates also! 1603801;1484580296;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you can alt-enter for full screen 1603802;1484580302;mircea_popescu;else there's a config file. 1603803;1484581635;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski listen ye historian of language : your footnotes are somehow broken so that xxiv is still displayed as xiv. 1603804;1484583258;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Why aren't links on you page "link" colored? 1603805;1484583977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/n05fI/?raw=true 1603806;1484584071;mircea_popescu;got it 1603807;1484584335;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://realclimatescience.com/2017/01/noaa-us-temperatures-are-fake-news/ 1603808;1484584348;mircea_popescu;lmao obviously. 1603809;1484584678;asciilifeform;http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6758 << in quite other lulz. 1603810;1484584695;asciilifeform;(esr, mega-specialist in 'half-grasping' concepts, does not disappoint) 1603811;1484584930;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/antique-retrocinations/ << Trilema - Antique Retrocinations 1603812;1484585279;asciilifeform;lulzy comments, also, e.g., 'While I don’t think he’s a “white supremacist” as such “off-line” in his essays under the pseudonym Moldbug, the travails of Curtis Yarvin as a pure hacker are illuminating, to the point I’m pretty sure they’ve killed any chance his Urbit might have in the so called marketplace of ideas.' 1603813;1484585373;asciilifeform;http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6758#comment-1795041 << a winner. 1603814;1484585694;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: footnotes padding was just askew. fixed now. and thx too for the full screen tip. 1603815;1484585955;mircea_popescu;yee 1603816;1484586498;asciilifeform;'The extent to which Linus’s and others’ foul mouths are tolerated on official community fora is still considered a problem' 1603817;1484586502;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1603818;1484586520;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1603819;1484586526;mircea_popescu;"is considered" by who the fuck. 1603820;1484586536;mircea_popescu;check it out, linus is "tolerated" nao ? 1603821;1484586537;asciilifeform;clearly, the vox populi, etc. 1603822;1484586542;asciilifeform;aha, tolerated! 1603823;1484586550;mircea_popescu;oh, i get it, the "vox populi" as per the 200k wash dc niggers ? 1603824;1484586564;asciilifeform;probably more of the 1M sv ones 1603825;1484586594;mircea_popescu;funny how ready nobodies are to misrepresent themselves as teh owners of world. 1603826;1484586631;asciilifeform;(dc apparatus proper is still busy with the 1990s-era rackets, e.g., funding of imaginary war machines, war on substances, etc) 1603827;1484586746;asciilifeform;http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/01/11/sjws-tech-conference-political-diversity/ << linked from. 1603828;1484586785;asciilifeform;'In June 2015, the hacker Elia Shito publicly tweeted skepticism about transgenderism in children. Although Elia tweeted from his own personal account, Ehmke tried to get Elia Shito ejected from the open source community he participated in.' 1603829;1484586806;*;asciilifeform has never heard of any of the folx in this piece, save for c. yarvin aka mr mold 1603830;1484586823;mircea_popescu;skepticism as in "it's fucking insane to not fuck children if you're going to pump them full of sex-drugs" ? 1603831;1484586920;asciilifeform;the point, to the extent there is one, is not even to specifically mutilate the childrenz (it is only one of many dr.mengele projects in the works) but to shoot the dogs that cannot resist biting 1603832;1484586982;asciilifeform;a great many of the seemingly purposeless atrocities of the left could make sense as 'dog-kicking'. 1603833;1484586988;*;mircea_popescu doesn't feel particularily shot. 1603834;1484587239;mircea_popescu;how do you get "ejected" from an open source community anyway ? they're not going to merge your fixes anymore ? they're going to merge them but pretend they got them from obama / whatever-fashionable-nigger instead ? they're going to not merge anythingf seeing how you don't do anything anyway but ... no longer hurr durr with you ? 1603835;1484587257;mircea_popescu;it's not like the "open source communities" have much of a notion of identity anyway 1603836;1484587287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is not mega-mystery. they... let in the vermin you've been keeping out. and project turns into, e.g., firefox. 1603837;1484587292;asciilifeform;libreboot. etc. 1603838;1484587328;mircea_popescu;and so ? you just continue what you were doing. 1603839;1484587353;asciilifeform;what would that look like, in, say, linus's case ? 1603840;1484587357;mircea_popescu;maybe we've all been "ejected from the open source community we participated in" aka prb ? 1603841;1484587370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform entirely indistinguishable from what's going on right now, neh ? 1603842;1484587381;mircea_popescu;for all you know he's been ejected from ~5000 prlinuxen also. 1603843;1484587391;mircea_popescu;one a minute in fact, why not ? 1603844;1484587398;asciilifeform;linux is actually a direly centralized thing, because of the device racket 1603845;1484587424;asciilifeform;(consider why, e.g., netbsd, has not displaced it, even for our applications) 1603846;1484587432;trinque;in fact there's mention of a linux "fork" somewhere in or beyond those comments, can't be arsed to pull up again 1603847;1484587468;mircea_popescu;so nvidia will "eject linus from the open source project he was working on" and not release their driver, and linus will tell them to get fucked. 1603848;1484587472;mircea_popescu;this apparently already happened. 1603849;1484587486;asciilifeform;btw anyone who has tried to port a linux device driver (from recent years) to an un-linuxlike os, will know what i am talking about: they are 'glued with broken glass', and it is not in any sense trivial. 1603850;1484587494;asciilifeform;often ~more~ difficult than working from data sheet / leaked specs ! 1603851;1484587556;asciilifeform;(how?? -- they aren't self-contained, but relay on a titanic rat's nest of #include functionality, e.g., interrupt stack) 1603852;1484587590;asciilifeform;situation quite reminiscent of gcc. 1603853;1484587613;asciilifeform;it was never anything other than obvious that -- in practice, in the field -- the open sores folx don't think much of this 'free sharing' thing. 1603854;1484587628;mircea_popescu;certainly not the esr and other usg tools. 1603855;1484587646;asciilifeform;not rms, or linus, either. 1603856;1484587652;asciilifeform;they are quite happy to glue with broken glass. 1603857;1484587678;asciilifeform;and to deliberately centralize around own arse. 1603858;1484587688;mircea_popescu;rms certainly had a large pile of that. 1603859;1484587705;mircea_popescu;i suppose your argument that linus' toleration of "linux foundation", redhat & debian etc is tantamount to exactly same. 1603860;1484587716;asciilifeform;'but oh noez, if i make the acorns MOVABLE, little squirrels will come and take'em in all directions' 1603861;1484587744;trinque;in the gcc thread, wasn't this considered to be gcc's only defense? 1603862;1484587752;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only the malodorous phoundations, but the very architecture of linux, with the massive #include interdependencies, and the lack of demand for HUMAN-READABLE specs when device drivers are submitted 1603863;1484587755;trinque;"cannot be moved by sheer mass" 1603864;1484587762;mircea_popescu;it was ; but in a very naive sort of way, ie, "if you think that's how yo udefend you already lost long ago" 1603865;1484587763;asciilifeform;trinque: it is in fact its only defense. 1603866;1484587768;mircea_popescu;see "apple" thread recently. 1603867;1484587784;trinque;aha, just poking it for the benefit of logs. it's a sad state to be in. 1603868;1484587789;mircea_popescu;ie http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594887 1603869;1484587789;a111;Logged on 2016-12-31 18:20 mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha 1603870;1484587831;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in honesty, i don't think anyone who came before had the intelligence / intellectual wherewithal to realise what the standards should be. 1603871;1484587854;asciilifeform;possible 1603872;1484587857;mircea_popescu;as shocking as that statement may be, it would appear true. everyone else was simply too dumb to understand you want to mandate shitting in toilet. 1603873;1484587870;mircea_popescu;if it is true, then it can't be much of a criterion retrospectively. 1603874;1484588045;mircea_popescu;oh that's what it is, "conferences" specifically. dude... i have nfi why anyone with any sort of qualification would actually appear at one of these. for one thing, they don't pay. for another thing, they are about on 1980s soviet level of amenties, fucking hell ima brownbag food because i don't eat burger king ? 1603875;1484588094;mircea_popescu;who the fuck eats the us workman's buffet crap and also is a professional in any field ? 1603876;1484588109;asciilifeform;to briefly revisit upstack, linux as we have it now is a direly and fatally centralized, in the worst possible sense, item: to the extent it runs on in-production iron at all, it is because some stingy but present support exists from the vendors, and from the megaconglomerates (rathead et al). if withdrawn, linux turns into openbsd overnight. 1603877;1484588131;asciilifeform;the days when amateurs wrote linux device drvrs on weekends, are long gone. 1603878;1484588157;mircea_popescu;tbh i kinda miss those devices. i'd much rather have 9 pin printer than the current malfunctioning atrocities. 1603879;1484588170;asciilifeform;i not only miss'em, but act on the impulse and... install'em 1603880;1484588174;asciilifeform;but this has down-sides. 1603881;1484588235;asciilifeform;(chiefly in that they are a 'nonrenewable resource'.) 1603882;1484588261;mircea_popescu;all artefacts are renewable. 1603883;1484588267;asciilifeform;theoretically. 1603884;1484588273;asciilifeform;(where do i get damascus steel??) 1603885;1484588282;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1603886;1484588289;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu's top hat ! 1603887;1484588316;*;asciilifeform recently dug around for the facts behind the hatter's plush thing, and found nothing but pediwikia-copies-of-copies-of-copies-x1000 1603888;1484588326;mircea_popescu;yup. 1603889;1484588336;mircea_popescu;the webternet is ~useless. 1603890;1484588390;mircea_popescu;o hey, esr redefines nigger as "political carpetbagger". dork, to redefine word must use shorter variant. no longer alternative ever prevails in practice. 1603891;1484588428;mircea_popescu;and lords are now "elders" in his ad-hoc "i've not read #trilema i just rewrite what comes to me from the spheres" 1603892;1484588474;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit re esr is that he appointed himself 'elder' in 1980s! of an atlantis that had by that time long ago sunk deep beneath the sea (mit) 1603893;1484588507;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. it's kind-of funny to read tmsr rewrites by john smiths. 1603894;1484588507;asciilifeform;and there was -- apparently -- no one left to say 'eh..no, you weren't there, and did ~0' 1603895;1484588530;mircea_popescu;"Second: show me your code. I want to see URLs to public repositories with your commits in them. (OpenHub statistics will do for a first cut.) Your credibility goes up with commit volume and number of different projects. and especially with the number of other people you have collaborated with." 1603896;1484588533;mircea_popescu;aaahahaha ok. 1603897;1484588546;mircea_popescu;see kiddies, this is why "rewriting in your own words and pretending you never read it here" doesn't work. 1603898;1484588570;asciilifeform;sorta the fundamental problem with 'john smiths', bottle-shakers. 1603899;1484588598;asciilifeform;'oooh i found a Warm Iron Thing in the taiga, let's break it open and get the magic out' 1603900;1484588612;asciilifeform;'it glows so blue!' 1603901;1484588616;mircea_popescu;myeah 1603902;1484588738;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess it's the best he can do, with what he has. which is sad but then again what can you expect. the goat - grazes. 1603903;1484588778;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever meet the d00d in person ? 1603904;1484588788;mircea_popescu;nope. 1603905;1484588789;asciilifeform;he's insufferable. in the 12yo 'i am NINJA!1111' sense. 1603906;1484588806;mircea_popescu;how old is he, like 60something by now ? 1603907;1484588831;asciilifeform;srsly he gave a talk, i fughet about what nao, at an sf b00k lovers thing, and spend 20min on His Great Achievements, and My Code Is Running On Your Cell Phone Guaranteed, etc. 1603908;1484588872;mircea_popescu;i can only imagine what the next generation imbeciles, eich and andreessen and so forth will be like when they're 60. 1603909;1484588872;asciilifeform;but yeah he's not a young fella, walks with a cane. 1603910;1484589013;asciilifeform;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/gpl-sucker-punch << oblig re esr. 1603911;1484589141;mircea_popescu;i don't even recall what this references 1603912;1484589151;mircea_popescu;but the notion of having versions on a license... good god. 1603913;1484589168;asciilifeform;it's moar about esr's approach to life than about gpl3. 1603914;1484589965;*;mircea_popescu stopped paying attention re gpl sometime around "afero" 1603915;1484589980;mircea_popescu;or w/e the client-server bullshit was 1603916;1484590270;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1603917;1484590277;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 828.5, vol: 5371.02382600 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 819.819, vol: 4067.02976 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 827.09, vol: 7289.43424066 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 820.81503, vol: 506972.47910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 834.0, vol: 1190.23580128 | Volume-weighted last average: 821.002992125 1603918;1484590690;mircea_popescu;and in lulzy ancient stuff : http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/esr_interview.html interviewer (random nobody) contrasts sony using netbsd for the psp and people finding out because they put an unlinked text file on their website (as per license obligation) which was then found whereas they advertised the shit out of running linux for the ps3 in the terms of "WE THE PEOPLE made this be". 1603919;1484590724;mircea_popescu;he literally imagines that the difference isn't for the obvious reason (usg decided to push x rather than y) but for some sort of self-aggrandizing "it's something we did which unwittingly made the cave walls move this way". 1603920;1484591084;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6265 << IN other Lunix 1603921;1484591454;mircea_popescu;epic. 1603922;1484591471;mircea_popescu;us president shouldn't be recognized by anyone as a matter of course anyway. 1603923;1484591505;mircea_popescu;should be fun to see how the dc 200k turn ariund the whole "tax resistors are nutty" argument once it's a case of "president resistors are heros". 1603924;1484591540;*;mircea_popescu polishes his http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ for the day. 1603925;1484591928;mats;http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-other-side-of-the-coin-the-russians-in-chechnya 1603926;1484592539;mircea_popescu;anyways, to round off the whole linux/bsd, esr/rms/etc angle : at any point the Moterhood (be it implemented in practice as "the USG" or "the public opinion" or "the church of England" or whatever the fuck - there will exist a conclave of the lazy, stupid and covetous, and it will be somewhat politically influential and appear VERY politically influential much like to the small children the mother appears truly awesome in her 1603927;1484592540;mircea_popescu; endless powers) will perceive "those crazy kids" by degrees dangerous. as a practical imperative it will apply some of its resources towards coopting some ; and towards combatting some others. 1603928;1484592596;mircea_popescu;in the history of computing it so happened that it picked to coopt linux. what the people involved did or didn't do has exactly nothing of interest to do with this ; and "studying history" in the sense of trying to divine what the favoured son did or didn't do so you too could share in the bounty is insanity exactly of the ilk the statement suggests. 1603929;1484592640;mircea_popescu;nevermind why mommy didn't love you ; she wouldn't have fucked you anyway, and she'd have sucked at it if she had fucked you. forget all that, nobody cares, go find better behaved womenz an' make your own harem. 1603930;1484593001;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the ~only serious lever remaining is hardware. 1603931;1484593011;mircea_popescu;and hence apple. 1603932;1484593055;asciilifeform;well, nintendoization (crapple most certainly did not invent the practice, nor even pioneered it) 1603933;1484593059;mircea_popescu;(note how "everyone" ~YOU HEAR ABOUT~ is trying to make "the next airbnb" ; not the next apple. there's a reason mother's lullaby goes the way it goes, and that reason mostly has to do with mommy's fear of rape) 1603934;1484593087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ~only reason john smith behaviour survives is that mommy never wants to pick the original, because think of the power imbalance. 1603935;1484593093;mircea_popescu;so it'll always pick a tedious re-doer. 1603936;1484593121;asciilifeform;esp. when original is a filthy and ill-predictable foreign devil. 1603937;1484593144;mircea_popescu;or in proper terms, especially when the original is actually bigger than her. 1603938;1484593149;asciilifeform;(notice that crapplebook-pro is not made by not only nintendo, but also not by sony) 1603939;1484593160;mircea_popescu;most animals, including amoeba, have enough sense to not try and ingest larger items. 1603940;1484593164;mircea_popescu;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/an-actual-woman << not even terrible. 1603941;1484593258;mircea_popescu;pity nobody picked up the idea from http://qntra.net/2015/11/president-hussein-bahamas-ends-national-security-speech-with-happy-thanksgiving/ and turned it into a weekly or something. i'm sure it'd have been huge. 1603942;1484593268;mircea_popescu;but then again i'm sure there's ~no creative people out there, so. 1603943;1484593317;mircea_popescu;"the best argument against open source is a five minute interaction with the average internet dog." 1603944;1484593332;asciilifeform;'the average dog' is not involved. 1603945;1484593344;asciilifeform;it is a very small kennel of handful of dogs. 1603946;1484593346;mircea_popescu;yeah, who's gonna write comics, the president of nbc ? 1603947;1484593443;asciilifeform;btw there is one possibly interesting detail. there appears to be a large (how large, i have nfi) set of folks who publish ~actual~ work openly (recently i was on a kick of collecting 6502 and z80 design variations, adapted for present-day component availability for glue logic) and found a wealth of quality (as in, you lay it out on breadboard and it WORX) material. with multi-decade (yes) discussion. 1603948;1484593455;asciilifeform;'shadow' open sores, you could call it 1603949;1484593458;mircea_popescu;aha. 1603950;1484593462;asciilifeform;they do not get invited to turdmeister conferences. 1603951;1484593467;asciilifeform;nor printed in shitcoin magazine. 1603952;1484593472;asciilifeform;nor any phoundation funds. 1603953;1484593475;asciilifeform;nor rathead employs. 1603954;1484593481;mircea_popescu;you mean "they have been excluded from the open source communities they were contributing to" don't you ? 1603955;1484593487;asciilifeform;somethinglikethat. 1603956;1484593493;mircea_popescu;i'm sure they care. 1603957;1484593506;asciilifeform;they've no reason to care, they have own wot. 1603958;1484593522;asciilifeform;but point is that i needed a very long and sharp drill to penetrate earth's crust, to find that they existed. 1603959;1484593545;mircea_popescu;certainly if your drill consists of google, as per ... today's amusements. 1603960;1484593546;asciilifeform;and overall flavour is quite 'catv' 1603961;1484593560;asciilifeform;folx who stew in own juices for years, tend to drift off into catvdom. 1603962;1484593588;mircea_popescu;yes, the fact that competent engineers tend to be poorly socialised is the major weakness of engineering competence. 1603963;1484593600;mircea_popescu;that tendency doesn't have to last, though, and it certainly needn't be nurtured. 1603964;1484593622;asciilifeform;one fundamental imho problem is that engineering, in age of collapse, is fundamentally act of madness. 1603965;1484593631;asciilifeform;sorta like being an architect in year 700. 1603966;1484593640;mircea_popescu;i dun see it. 1603967;1484593752;asciilifeform;i cannot speak for the folx mentioned above, but for me the appeal of, e.g., 6502, or of (pure 'sea of gates', a la FUCKGOATS) fpga work, is that there is 0 shit-in-the-dough 1603968;1484593765;asciilifeform;no 'libraries', no jwz. 1603969;1484593817;asciilifeform;but the amount of this kind of work ~anyone ever sees when working in industry, is ~0. 1603970;1484593826;asciilifeform;so to go into the profession with this expectation, any of it, is madness. 1603971;1484593847;asciilifeform;it is like becoming astrologer (today, not in 1500s) because you like to look through telescope. 1603972;1484593853;asciilifeform;astrologer today does not look in any scopes. 1603973;1484593868;asciilifeform;just runs msword script. 1603974;1484593872;mircea_popescu;if someone became an astrologer today who did look through them, they'd have plenty of customers. 1603975;1484593881;asciilifeform;eh lemonmarket. 1603976;1484593900;mircea_popescu;there's always a sprout of veblen goods in every lemon markety 1603977;1484593908;mircea_popescu;that's how manhattan island got sold. 1603978;1484593918;asciilifeform;there is, but engineer's notion of how to make working veblenator is typically worth 0. 1603979;1484593925;mircea_popescu;even among subhuman horde there's some taste for the refined. 1603980;1484593934;mircea_popescu;mwhell. 1603981;1484594161;mircea_popescu;in other news, this strip is actually a perfect primer for things nobody cares about these days, but were still "the issues" before osama pulled america's pants and fucked it into its present us shape. 1603982;1484594188;mircea_popescu;anyone interested in getting computing, 1990s to 2005 or so is more than welcome to read it, follow the competently provided references, and there it is. 1603983;1484594207;mircea_popescu;back when people still publsihed in magazines and ~nobody had a cellphone and so on. 1603984;1484594246;mircea_popescu;pcmag, seriously ? im surprised the website is even up anymore. 1603985;1484594309;mircea_popescu;http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1838244,00.asp << asp. do you even know what asp is ? 1603986;1484594339;mircea_popescu;(yes, .net started life as asp.net)\ 1603987;1484594383;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/president-reject-hillary-rodham-clinton-kills-22-jobs/ << Qntra - President Reject Hillary Rodham Clinton Kills 22 Jobs 1603988;1484594556;mircea_popescu;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/show-them-the-code << epic. 1603989;1484595133;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-16#1603985 << pretty lulzy. recall when lessig made about-face, went off to 'fight corruption in washington, instead of tech wankery' ? 1603990;1484595133;a111;Logged on 2017-01-16 19:18 mircea_popescu: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1838244,00.asp << asp. do you even know what asp is ? 1603991;1484595186;asciilifeform;one of the reasons i still, despite everything, have > 0 respect for rms, is that of all of these figures, he never had 'about-face' moment. 1603992;1484595194;asciilifeform;pretty much same d00d today as in 1985. 1603993;1484595203;asciilifeform;(for better ~and~ worse) 1603994;1484595253;asciilifeform;rms never went 'i'ma make exception because 9/11' or 'i'ma make exception because 100mil in rathead toiletpaper stock' 1603995;1484595905;mircea_popescu;well... it IS pretty funny to watch 2016 ers talk about "political activists" or w/e. 1603996;1484595914;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is he, or what, nobody can remember 1996 ? 1603997;1484595992;jurov;http://deadstate.org/i-no-longer-have-to-be-politically-correct-gop-politician-arrested-after-grabbing-a-woman-in-her-genital-area/ 1603998;1484596037;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2StdqJXEAEp9yU.jpg <<< Monday motivation, ru style 1603999;1484596328;mircea_popescu;from behind even! 1604000;1484597080;mircea_popescu;http://perens.com/ << bruce perens apparently still blogs. 1604001;1484597179;mircea_popescu;http://perens.com/blog/2016/12/04/vandenberg-viewing/ perhaps of interest to the rocketry enthusiasts 1604002;1484599481;asciilifeform;'Vandenberg is a high-security area. Nuclear missile bases, spy satellites, missile defense radars and other classified things are there, there’s also a Federal prison next door. Vandenberg is the one polar-orbit space launch site for the whole country, and thus must stay operational for the security and defense of our country.' 1604003;1484599482;asciilifeform;lel 1604004;1484599537;asciilifeform;http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/vandenberg-abandoned-missile << linked from site as a 'please don't do', is imho the only worthy link there. 1604005;1484599604;asciilifeform;'But getting inside the perimeter of Vandenberg North isn’t as easy as it seems. Though we had our alibi (we had developed a new-found interest in bird watching), we still didn’t have a way in. All the roads inside of the base (and thus to the front door of our underground missile sites) were completely sealed off by sentry stations and road blocks. Security forces regularly patrolled the roads. The sky was filled with Unmanned 1604006;1484599604;asciilifeform; Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) equipped with infrared cameras. Admittedly, part of what appealed to me was the risk. Some of my recent successful forays had given me a brazen confidence. As part of the MacGyver Generation, I also reveled in the potential of being part of an elite few who had managed to infiltrate an active base undetected. Stupid, yes, but certainly alluring.' 1604007;1484601260;asciilifeform;the really lulzy bit, imho, is that titan et al were built when 4th reich SPECIFICALLY knew that su had 0 working rockets. (from penkovsky, specifically.) 1604008;1484601286;asciilifeform;but the sweet, sweet gravy train of american 'defense' industry that ww2 kicked off, would not be ending, oh noez. 1604009;1484601306;jurov;!!s talos 1604010;1484601394;asciilifeform;!#s talos 1604011;1484601394;a111;12 results for "talos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=talos 1604012;1484601404;asciilifeform;jurov: didja ever get hold of one ? 1604013;1484601433;asciilifeform;i can't say i'm burning with desire to buy an ibm-sole-sourced chip, what 30 years after their monopoly properly died 1604014;1484601452;asciilifeform;but as a lulzware collector i could not resist getting at least 1. 1604015;1484601480;asciilifeform;https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation << oops. i guess it's dead 1604016;1484601504;asciilifeform;'$516,290 raised of $3,700,000 goal Funding Unsuccessful Jan 14 ended 14% funded 496 pledges' 1604017;1484601519;asciilifeform;RIP, little lulztron. 1604018;1484601523;asciilifeform;sad, short life. 1604019;1484601533;asciilifeform;'The world's first ATX-compatible, workstation-class mainboard for the new, free-software friendly IBM POWER8 processor. Includes one heatsink and 92 mm fan, one ATX-compatible I/O shield, and a live rescue DVD with factory reset utilities, source code for firmware and FPGA components, mainboard schematics, user manual, and Ubuntu installation media. CPU, RAM, power supply, storage drives, and chassis sold separately.' 1604020;1484601537;asciilifeform;ubuntu?! 1604021;1484601573;asciilifeform;or server variant: 'Talos™ Desktop Edition (TALP8D050) A complete Talos™ workstation with a CPU of your choice, 128 GB of DDR3 ECC RAM, an AMD Radeon RX 480 (8 GB VRAM) GPU, and two Western Digital WD40EFRX 4 TB SATA drives, all installed in a heavy-duty tower chassis. Comes pre-installed with Debian.' 1604022;1484601575;asciilifeform;debian!! 1604023;1484601589;asciilifeform;lulzy. and for $7k us! 1604024;1484601604;asciilifeform;for this sum one could aaaaalmost get a chip made at that french fab. 1604025;1484601658;asciilifeform;(the full-shebang machine apparently was... $ 17.6k !) 1604026;1484601672;asciilifeform;ty jurov for reminding that this existed. i entirely forgot. 1604027;1484601987;jurov;i was actually going to link that, then assumed you'll go all "we already discussed that, gtfo" 1604028;1484602236;jurov;https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation/updates/the-state-of-owner-controlled-computing-as-talos-winds-down 1604029;1484602557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they planned the recon mission by email lel 1604030;1484605371;asciilifeform;https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/e68a/significant-events-in-owner-control.png << accurate, surprisingly. 1604031;1484605483;asciilifeform;ftr the notion of making anything other than a large-as-possible fpga, for 'owner-controlled computing', is purest poppycock. 1604032;1484605573;asciilifeform;'unverified claims that the secret keys to the Intel® Management Engine are being traded underground in criminal circles' << anybody know of this ? 1604033;1484605617;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/5i6qa3/can_the_nsafbi_use_intel_me_to_defeat_tor_on_95/db7xvu7/ << the only 'evidence'. 1604034;1484605641;asciilifeform;'This post has a lot of misunderstandings behind it. First off, the Intelligence Community does not need to force Intel to give up Manageability Engine keys (or AMD's PSP keys for that matter). Both the keys and the toolchain, as well as the source code are traded underground. I know that at least up to firmware version 8 is traded underground, and version 11 (the latest) is available without difficulty to people who know how to find 1604035;1484605641;asciilifeform; it. I have access to version 8's signing keys myself, being in that scene, but all my computers use version 11 so I haven't cared to mess with it. It's certainly not common but it is absolutely something that FVEY and related contractors (Raytheon, Leidos, half the people you'll see at ISS, etc) will be able to get their hands on, if they haven't already.' 1604036;1484605820;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: any opinions on "autosock" vs. traditional chains? 1604037;1484606006;asciilifeform;at the risk of creating 'wall of text', i'ma spell out for the l0gz readerz: if you sell properly open cpu, folx then have a cpu. if you sell properly open fpga, they then have cpu, ram controller, video card, nic, etc, etc. 1604038;1484606054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform random redditard's spew about as worthy of consideration as something you saw on 4chan 1604039;1484606061;asciilifeform;so anybody claiming to 'make OPEN!11!!!! workstation!' who is not planning to make 1M+gate fpga by the megatonne, is a) subverted b) stupid or c) both. 1604040;1484606063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. 1604041;1484606100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anybody who claims to have a privkey for $whatever needs to only do one thing!!! 1604042;1484606106;asciilifeform;..sign. 1604043;1484606165;mircea_popescu;i'm not saying the contrary of whatever you might have inferred from reading random spew. 1604044;1484606169;mircea_popescu;i am simply saying it's random spew. 1604045;1484606180;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was speaking of upstack link, the talos thing. 1604046;1484606191;mircea_popescu;your last line ? 1604047;1484606192;asciilifeform;in re the 'let's make an OPEN!11! workstation'. 1604048;1484606197;asciilifeform;ah that was re the redditards. 1604049;1484606203;asciilifeform;'i have obummer's key!!' 1604050;1484606212;mircea_popescu;again : it's not about thart. 1604051;1484606251;asciilifeform;btw i'm not wholly convinced that it is properly speaking random spew. quite possibly hedging for the time when the keyz finally ~do~ leak. 1604052;1484606256;asciilifeform;then they can say 'ah it was always on reddit' 1604053;1484606262;mircea_popescu;it's on reddit, it's spew. 1604054;1484606275;asciilifeform;spew comes in random and aimed. 1604055;1484606277;mircea_popescu;for one thing, nobody reads it. it's there to write, not to read 1604056;1484606281;mircea_popescu;quite exactly like sewage system 1604057;1484606325;asciilifeform;worth also thinking why the talos folks linked to the sewer. 1604058;1484606470;asciilifeform;the 1 interesting gibblet imho in the talos faq: 1604059;1484606477;asciilifeform;'...hardware development has a sparse talent pool with widely varying skill levels, extremely high barriers to entry, very high iteration costs, slow time to market, and testing a new idea often requires a combination of both the barrier to entry and iteration costs to be paid up front. As a result, hardware development often falls back to a centrally planned model, with stronger individuals selecting what they think will be the corr 1604060;1484606477;asciilifeform;ect, profitable branch, and the market is unable to converge on an optimal solution. We are already seeing this with RISC-V and some of its most puzzling design decisions and strangely missing features (e.g., the lack of an IOMMU and L3 cache in all current implementations...' 1604061;1484606491;asciilifeform;entirely tru. 1604062;1484606497;asciilifeform;which is why we're awash in ~identical arm clones. 1604063;1484606820;mircea_popescu;i very much don';t think there is such a thing as "an optimal solution" in the field 1604064;1484606825;mircea_popescu;in any case "the market" is not an actor. 1604065;1484606847;asciilifeform;no moar in cpudom than in moon launches. 1604066;1484606857;mircea_popescu;clothing is perhaps a more easy to grasp example. there isn't "an optimal solution" in clothes. there also isn't a "market". 1604067;1484606858;asciilifeform;(possibly there was a market in 1988. not today. 1604068;1484606860;asciilifeform;) 1604069;1484606894;mircea_popescu;(the relation between hardware and textile making are STRIKING, even if one's not studied early industrialization seriously. it's almost exactly the same thing.) 1604070;1484606905;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5ocmkk/i_work_at_bitcoin_ira_we_have_put_over_3mm/ "With Bitgo wallets" 1604071;1484606971;asciilifeform;gotta love the 'you OWN bitcoin! just not the privkey' thing. 1604072;1484607270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how the fuck did those kids go into the missile vaults and not carry a gm counter ? 1604073;1484607286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is very rarely anything radiating in these 1604074;1484607303;asciilifeform;(the pu is in 4 layers of welded-shut hermetic capsule, srsly) 1604075;1484607309;asciilifeform;poisons -- on the other hand, yes. 1604076;1484607310;mircea_popescu;there are very few bad rsa moduli. 1604077;1484607316;asciilifeform;and mold, and sharp edges. 1604078;1484607324;asciilifeform;quite a few 'speleologists' drowned in these. 1604079;1484607341;asciilifeform;(50+ metres of water is typical) 1604080;1484607428;asciilifeform;the folks ~buying~ old american launchers, to convert to house, do look for (gaseous) radon. but that's more of chronic exposure hazard. 1604081;1484608126;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/wife-of-orland-shooter-omar-mateen-arrested/ << Qntra - Wife Of Orland Shooter Omar Mateen Arrested 1604082;1484608207;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: orlando? 1604083;1484608262;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1604084;1484608267;ben_vulpes;anytime 1604085;1484608608;*;asciilifeform actually read the entire talos turd, and the links, and as is quite typical the 'libreboot' idiot pitches 'use linux on chromebook c201' -- but if you actually read, then will learn that 'so long as you don't need wireless nic or video to work!' 1604086;1484609361;asciilifeform;https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation/updates/talos-fpga-functions-and-responsibilities-part-1 << the sheer lunacy of the epicycles, omfg!111! 1604087;1484609417;asciilifeform;' The LPC bus is a shared, bidirectional bus that often handles highly sensitive traffic such as TPM transaction cycles, password entry via PS/2 keyboard, and low level firmware read / write cycles. All existing systems using LPC for these functions share a single, fatal flaw. Since the LPC bus is shared, a malicious peripheral can be surreptitiously attached to the LPC interface without detection, then transmit interesting informati 1604088;1484609417;asciilifeform;on read directly from LPC out of band to an attacker, e.g. over Bluetooth... In a nutshell, LPC Guard™ converts the traditional monolithic shared LPC bus topology into a pseudo-star topology, then masks sensitive data transmissions involving a single peripheral from all remaining peripherals on the bus. The bus control device central to this technology is securely connected to the LPC master onboard the CPU or southbridge device, w 1604089;1484609418;asciilifeform;ith the associated PCB traces located in central layers of the system board.' 1604090;1484609440;asciilifeform;(for n00bz: lpc is what replaced ye olde isa in early 2000s.) 1604091;1484609502;BingoBoingo;In other Germans, the emergency stop: https://i.redditmedia.com/LuGCFR_IplvuLMxgoKxs5Q-W99XQAtwrfCLSN2PjCGE.jpg?w=768&s=da5a7ddfad41c1aa4e6a25417b3936cc 1604092;1484609514;asciilifeform;this degree of 'softwarization' of hardware, i have never before seen -- the ubuntized crockofshit approach to seekoority, finally applied down on the iron. yes, let's retrofit crossbar switching on ten layers of liquishit! 1604093;1484609517;asciilifeform;astounding. 1604094;1484609688;asciilifeform;interestingly the thing mentions 'open toolchain fpga' dozens of times but NOT ONCE says WHICH 1604095;1484609698;asciilifeform;where do i buy this magical thing. 1604096;1484609714;asciilifeform;(is it the lattice ice40? then why not SAY IT motherfucker) 1604097;1484609762;asciilifeform;leaving entirely aside the question of whether ice40 can in fact be made to do anything useful with the 'open' toolchain discussed earlier, or whether a toolchain that required clang, llvm, and ten other poetteringesque abortions is 'open' 1604098;1484610135;asciilifeform;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/specificator << in other non-newz. 1604099;1484610393;mircea_popescu;idiots have a serious issue naming things 1604100;1484610417;mircea_popescu;almost as if their entire hope is indirection. "with infinite layers of indirection, all problems can wait!" 1604101;1484610484;asciilifeform;if removing the liquishit is somehow 'off the table' -- what remains: parfumery 1604102;1484610535;asciilifeform;(they ~do~ have a serious problem with the notion of removing things, because one of the things that most desperately needs removal is ~themselves~) 1604103;1484610607;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/C3p9q << funny, re the "off the table". 1604104;1484610685;mircea_popescu;it is interesting to see exactly how deeply welded idiocy is inside western thought. 1604105;1484611079;mircea_popescu;(perens, ftr, is the original author of busybox among other things) 1604106;1484611109;asciilifeform;where is he now? 1604107;1484611125;asciilifeform;(nm, found in the l0gz) 1604108;1484611133;mircea_popescu;retired i imagine. 1604109;1484611184;asciilifeform;'As the frequency rises, saturation is less of a problem. So, modern power supplies use a high frequency (above 20 KHz, so you won’t hear it) instead of 60 Hz, which allows them to use a small toroid core transformer made of ferrite...' << entirely factual except for the 'won't hear it' part. it is maddening. 1604110;1484611188;mircea_popescu;anyway, tried to get an alt-ubuntu debian package going at some point when the idea was that "linux has to be more user-friendly" early 2000s 1604111;1484611223;mircea_popescu;stupid fucking idea. the web shouldn't have been more luser friendly ; and linux shouldn't have been more luser friendly. nothing should ever be luser friendly. 1604112;1484611234;asciilifeform;not that it ever was. 1604113;1484611235;mircea_popescu;let the luser crawl into a ghetto and die already. 1604114;1484611239;asciilifeform;only because ~human-unfriendly~ 1604115;1484611244;asciilifeform;*became 1604116;1484611256;asciilifeform;there is nothing 'friendly' about poetteringola. 1604117;1484611296;mircea_popescu;it is the natural evolution of luser friendly. 1604118;1484611315;mircea_popescu;it's friendly to the government, which is the fundamental luser in all places. 1604119;1484611614;asciilifeform;'Mr. Perens was founder of No-Code International, which helped to convince the International Telecommunications Union, FCC and the telecommunications regulators of many nations to drop the Morse code requirement for Amateur Radio licensing. With the possible exception of Russia, all nations have now dropped that requirement. ' << lel 1604120;1484611622;asciilifeform;( https://perens.com/about-bruce-perens ) 1604121;1484611697;mircea_popescu;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/clique << bitrh of ubuntu 1604122;1484611817;asciilifeform;morse, incidentally, is a skill that the 4th reich would quite like to see die out entirely. ohnoez, can't have folx communicating with low-tech radios, flash-lamps, through prison toilets. 1604123;1484611852;mircea_popescu;not hard to bring it back 1604124;1484611865;asciilifeform;if you know morse, you can send 1000km message with the pieces of ruined truck. 1604125;1484611872;asciilifeform;or with mirror, to airplane. 1604126;1484611922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as with many other 'not hards', it takes, mostly, knowing ~why you oughta~ 1604127;1484611928;mircea_popescu;what would the messages say, xoo xxxx xo oo ? 1604128;1484611937;asciilifeform;depends, neh. 1604129;1484611940;asciilifeform;on the scenario. 1604130;1484611942;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1604131;1484612005;asciilifeform;this is in re earlier thread re cpu, also. and the luser-friendly world. they want 'radio' to mean 'box with 1000MHz cpu and 1G of ram and shituntu linux' and not 'spark gap'. 1604132;1484612007;asciilifeform;universally. 1604133;1484612026;mircea_popescu;dude you can make a spark gap thing over teh weekend 1604134;1484612034;asciilifeform;you can also make z80 comp over weekend. 1604135;1484612044;mircea_popescu;if you have the ics 1604136;1484612051;asciilifeform;you can get them from most 1980s car. 1604137;1484612067;asciilifeform;(and surprising other variety of konsoomer tech. vcr, for instance.) 1604138;1484612127;asciilifeform;the reich works in this case not by denying the parts to would-be builders, but in pushing the notion that, e.g., 'workstation' HAS to be a 4GHz wintel thing 1604139;1484612150;mircea_popescu;iirc you were last pushing that notion here. and it didn't go far. 1604140;1484612158;asciilifeform;(there ~is~ a certain bottom floor to 'workstation', defined imho by ability to build&run trb. but it is lower than '4GHz') 1604141;1484612182;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu disagrees with ^ ? 1604142;1484612373;mircea_popescu;with which part ? i'm not really following 1604143;1484612378;mircea_popescu;do you morse btw ? 1604144;1484612385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very badly! 1604145;1484612406;asciilifeform;which part << 'a workstation is, minimally, something that can build trb and keep up with blocks' 1604146;1484612428;mircea_popescu;aite. well i'm not terribly clear on what the idea is, but i also kind-of grew tired of clipping the junctures for sense, so i dunno. 1604147;1484612474;asciilifeform;to possibly squeeze something useful from thread: as i understand, a lamport-based 'trb-i' ~could~ run on z80. 1604148;1484612516;asciilifeform;so in the end mircea_popescu may well turn out to be right about 'we can ~literally~ use 1980s devices.' 1604149;1484612574;mircea_popescu;and the minimal bar for desktop is something like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 1604150;1484612574;a111;Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made. 1604151;1484612624;asciilifeform;^ this is much spiffier than the box i typically sit in front of, ftr. 1604152;1484612660;asciilifeform;but hm, possibly we had this thread. 1604153;1484612699;asciilifeform;(i made a heathen box with massive 3d card, but so far have not used for ~anything.) 1604154;1484612778;asciilifeform;in other, possibly moar interesting lulz, perens is ceo of 'legal engineering' co., which appears to have... no www site. 1604155;1484612789;asciilifeform;at all. 1604156;1484612835;asciilifeform;(did it ~ever~ have a www? is there some public record of said co existing, besides the d00d's say-so ?) 1604157;1484612951;asciilifeform;http://perens.com/blog/2016/07/14/im-endorsing-hillary << and also. 1604158;1484613264;mircea_popescu;in other news thios coffee im having is fabulous 1604159;1484613333;mircea_popescu;iirc the "legal engineering" thing was an abortive attempt to "build upon" the "genius" of the "viral" gpl. 1604160;1484613359;mircea_popescu;this was a massive dork wank thing a decade+ ago, where the zeks figured they're like totally owning society and the legal system and whatnot. 1604161;1484613364;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/rwB5B is all i found. 1604162;1484613373;mircea_popescu;then they got settled down a little. 1604163;1484613385;mircea_popescu;joe stack happened etc. 1604164;1484613399;asciilifeform;http://www.legalengineering.com << apparently still up. but invisible to google !! 1604165;1484613403;asciilifeform;like mircea_popescu's hash. 1604166;1484613411;asciilifeform;(search for it all you like! it never comes up!!) 1604167;1484613432;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy, that we turn up 2 of these in 1 day. 1604168;1484613465;asciilifeform;yandex fwiw finds it. 1604169;1484613467;asciilifeform;3rd hit. 1604170;1484613508;ben_vulpes;3rd hit for me querying for "we are the bridge between lawyers and engineering", but that's probably beyond the (s)cope(ing ability) of their filters 1604171;1484613524;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i searched 'legal engineering' and 'perens' 1604172;1484613574;ben_vulpes;yeah well i wanted to see how good the filter was, not how bad the search was. 1604173;1484613608;asciilifeform;this one looks like simple domain ban (in google) 1604174;1484613644;ben_vulpes;hey subject of perens, and then pixar, ritholtz' interview with lawrence levy is a romp 1604175;1484613652;asciilifeform;might be interesting to set up a www catalogue of these 'holes'. 1604176;1484613669;asciilifeform;(and take bets on how long until itself hand-banned from all known search engines) 1604177;1484613722;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: link? 1604178;1484613744;ben_vulpes;http://ritholtz.com/2016/11/mib-lawrence-levy-cfo-pixar/ 1604179;1484613752;ben_vulpes;no idea if transcripts exist 1604180;1484613791;asciilifeform;'We discuss how Steve Jobs was on the worst run of his life, with a series of hardware failures (Mac, Lisa, Next, Pixar) and had been recently thrown out of Apple (1994).' << next was 'hardware failure' ?? 1604181;1484613812;ben_vulpes;eh, what does barry know. 1604182;1484613821;ben_vulpes;or the interns at bloomberg. 1604183;1484613833;*;asciilifeform can't be arsed to listen to tape 1604184;1484613855;asciilifeform;not, at any rate, this one. 1604185;1484613885;ben_vulpes;pipe to youtube, curl transcription! 1604186;1484613887;ben_vulpes;ai! 1604187;1484614125;mircea_popescu;pixar wasn't that bad 1604188;1484616188;mod6;evenin 1604189;1484616211;ben_vulpes;heya mod6 1604190;1484616542;mod6;warmed up, now its raining and freezing. slicker than a minnow's dick out there. 1604191;1484620350;mircea_popescu;bad for driving at any rate 1604192;1484621633;mod6;oh yah. lol, could hardly walk down the driveway. 1604193;1484623892;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: afraid not. never had a problem with good ol' fashioned winter tires. or pick-up truck if need be. honestly not even sure what you'd use socks or chains for outside of the acreage. 1604194;1484624047;ben_vulpes;eh i don't really fancy swapping tires every season, 'tis a 1-week twice-a-year sort of thing. 1604195;1484624059;ben_vulpes;most of the city is iced in atm. 1604196;1484624299;pete_dushenski;swapping tires isn't such a pain if you have them mounted on rims. but another whole big expense for that obv. the socks look neat. expensive ? 1604197;1484624859;pete_dushenski;in other expenses, if you've ever wondered what a bitcoin atm in a major city (eg. mtl) clears, the answer is $1k - $5k cad / day. http://www.canlii.org/fr/qc/qccs/doc/2016/2016qccs5765/2016qccs5765.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHYml0Y29pbgAAAAAB&resultIndex=1 1604198;1484624937;mircea_popescu;that's pretty bad innit. 1604199;1484624939;pete_dushenski;given that the machines are $5-10k if you avoid the robocoin scamzors, and that commissions are ~8%, that's none too shabby if you can keep it up. 1604200;1484624968;mircea_popescu;nah, iirc they threw the machines out if they dropped under 2-3k, and thgat was years ago 1604201;1484625002;pete_dushenski;all you have to do is refill cash and coins for $5k/mo. have half a dozen machines around a city and you're doing well. 1604202;1484625008;mircea_popescu;no, that's ot all you do. 1604203;1484625028;mircea_popescu;all you do is watch insurance premiums soar ; and all sorts of little inconveniences of that nature. 1604204;1484625060;*;mircea_popescu can't imagine anyone prices/treats these any differently from slot machines. 1604205;1484625064;pete_dushenski;sorry who's the 'they' in threw out the machines ? 1604206;1484625094;pete_dushenski;machine owners ? landlords with machines in their buildings ? 1604207;1484625122;mircea_popescu;police departments with machine in their precinct, etcetera. 1604208;1484625164;pete_dushenski;can't speak to insurance premiums, but one of the other quiet costs is dealing with noobtards wanting to buy/sell $20 of coin and can't figure out how to tie their shoelaces much less work slot machine 1604209;1484625182;pete_dushenski;lotsa babysitting involved. 1604210;1484625203;pete_dushenski;'picking up pennies in front of the steamroller' 1604211;1484625242;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: never heard of police taking pause with bitcoin atms around here 1604212;1484625267;mircea_popescu;don't tell me canada is special and you don't have a police ransom racket somehow. 1604213;1484625283;pete_dushenski;ok i'll keep it a secret! 1604214;1484625286;pete_dushenski;depends where really 1604215;1484625311;pete_dushenski;mtl, sure. winnipeg and westward, not so much. 1604216;1484625312;mircea_popescu;well yes depends where. if you put the bitcoin thing in your shed in mississiauga nobody'll bother you. literally. 1604217;1484625340;pete_dushenski;really, the prairies are bizarelly, truly insanely above boards. 1604218;1484625344;pete_dushenski;board* 1604219;1484625389;pete_dushenski;cops think they're carrying on the rcmp legacy. might bang some hookers or move some drugs but not shaking down small businesses. 1604220;1484625422;mircea_popescu;aite then, i guess there must be some nooks and crannies where the 1k machine makes sense. 1604221;1484625447;pete_dushenski;ya, i just happen to be in that spot. skews perspective. 1604222;1484625466;pete_dushenski;anyways, cops can't stay above board forever. 1604223;1484625528;pete_dushenski;these 5% yoy prop tax increases will come to an end, and when they do the budgets will start getting trimmed from above and replaced from below. 1604224;1484625760;pete_dushenski;in other recommended security measures, http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/01/11/national/crime-legal/researchers-warn-fingerprint-theft-peace-sign/#.WH2XRyMrK2z 1604225;1484625781;mircea_popescu;heh 1604226;1484627921;BingoBoingo;From the Truefax department https://archive.is/tScCx 1604227;1484631422;asciilifeform;'LDAR - lay down and rot' (from BingoBoingo's https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/56bs95/incel_faq_read_this_so_you_dont_shitpost/ ) << genius 1604228;1484634756;mats;TIL all of WoW's GUI is driven by XML and Lua 1604229;1484634863;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/17/effective-government-regulation-of-bitcoin-in-china/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Effective government regulation. Of Bitcoin. In China. 1604230;1484634892;mats;also, i learned of 'Amish erotica' today: http://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/08/fifty-shades-amish-strange-genre-romance-novel-324940.html 1604231;1484658615;mircea_popescu;mats aha. 1604232;1484659548;mircea_popescu;"I am a female incel. In 3 weeks I will be a 25 year old virgin. A socially anxious, insecure, overweight, suicidal, complete failure. I'm going to die a kissless virgin. I will always be poor, always lack traditional beauty, always be an obtuse person. Intelligence and grace will never come naturally. And despite years of positivity about myself and with some idea that I was unique and beautiful in my own way, I realize-- th 1604233;1484659548;mircea_popescu;at was denial and delusion. I am a genetic mistake. I'm a complete waste. I am disgusting. Here to forever be the "duff" (designated ugly fat friend). Equivalent to a pet dog." << riight, and i'm supposed to provide the gallons and bushels of wsod required to make this pass as in-character, somehow ? how! 1604234;1484665156;mod6;mornin' 1604235;1484665419;mircea_popescu;hey therer 1604236;1484667658;thestringpuller;mats: yea. that's so people could mod the interface for raids and shit. 1604237;1484669153;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604233 << what's the implausible part ? 1604238;1484669153;a111;Logged on 2017-01-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: at was denial and delusion. I am a genetic mistake. I'm a complete waste. I am disgusting. Here to forever be the "duff" (designated ugly fat friend). Equivalent to a pet dog." << riight, and i'm supposed to provide the gallons and bushels of wsod required to make this pass as in-character, somehow ? how! 1604239;1484669196;mircea_popescu;suppose you met an ant one day, and this and told you in morse code its whole genome. 1604240;1484669224;mircea_popescu;thereby you know you're asleep and dreaming. because the machinery that'd allow the item know its dna precludes it being ant-shaped ; and the culture it requires to know morse precludes it being ant-substance. 1604241;1484669269;asciilifeform;ants don't eat pistols though. people -- do. so sometimes they decode enough of 'own dna'. 1604242;1484669355;mircea_popescu;and if they do, they go put it on reddit. 1604243;1484669389;mircea_popescu;you know, every guy in kresty dreams of one day becoming basically like us, with enough money to buy a round for everyone. and they think that if they did get the money, that's how they used it. 1604244;1484669406;mircea_popescu;yet, from experience, loads of kresty alumni do get rich eventually 1604245;1484669416;mircea_popescu;yet how many rounds are bought ? 1604246;1484669422;asciilifeform;perhaps better than harvard. 1604247;1484669428;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1604248;1484669591;asciilifeform;there are indeed folx who quietly and decorously eat pistol, like gentlemen, without any reddit component. but because no reddit, there is no trivial telescope to see them through, and they do not leave 'good example' to those who must learn. 1604249;1484669597;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had an article about this. 1604250;1484669687;mircea_popescu;it's altogether woman in question is going to eat anything. she's just as uterinely productive as any other viteline ; that she chooses to "have problems" is ultimately uninteresting. 1604251;1484669698;mircea_popescu;altogether unlikely* 1604252;1484669764;asciilifeform;uterinely productive ? 1604253;1484669791;mircea_popescu;"Step 2. The state will maintain a fund for buying 18yo females for the puporse of populating the breeder farms - " 1604254;1484669822;asciilifeform;i could think of many other animals i'd rather raise for meat 1604255;1484669836;asciilifeform;but that's just me. 1604256;1484669841;mircea_popescu;well that's you, yeah. 1604257;1484669923;mircea_popescu;o look, the uterine / viteline thing dun work in english. aaanyway. "any other bovine" i guess. 1604258;1484669959;asciilifeform;it'd be interesting to see what humans bred for 'long pig', 100+ generations, would look like. 1604259;1484670018;mircea_popescu;in latin, vitellus (yolk, and such) comes from vitulus (bull calf). much like in german protein is "eggwhite" because... ALBUMIN 1604260;1484670026;mircea_popescu;(yes, alb = white. in romanian and other languages) 1604261;1484670975;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: so. the more I read from people like Emin (a "respected" academic) the more sad I become that education is now a scam. maybe its true. can't beat stupid. 1604262;1484673529;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: who's that 1604263;1484673569;thestringpuller;http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/12/22/scaling-bitcoin-with-secure-hardware/ << this asshole 1604264;1484673576;asciilifeform;snore. 1604265;1484673594;thestringpuller;It would be snore for me too if he wasn't a professor teaching our kids nonsense. 1604266;1484673603;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: try quitting reddit, it is better for you than even quitting cigarettes 1604267;1484673608;asciilifeform;srsly. 1604268;1484673622;thestringpuller;he's on more than just reddit. 1604269;1484673636;asciilifeform;quite the 'on more' also then. 1604270;1484673638;asciilifeform;*quit 1604271;1484673666;thestringpuller;quitting school? sounds better every day. 1604272;1484673667;asciilifeform;srsly mircea_popescu had a very good article, re how to treat charlatans 1604273;1484673719;thestringpuller;In Aldous Huxely's dystopia misinformation takes over real education. What are you left with when all the real people die off? 1604274;1484673796;asciilifeform;the cockroaches, the ants. 1604275;1484673843;asciilifeform;and quite possibly the real people died long, long ago. 1604276;1484674115;trinque;also left with your own hands, and whatever you've done with them 1604277;1484674149;trinque;not to mention that socialist education was a net loss 1604278;1484674197;asciilifeform;trinque has it. all that's left is your own hands. 'if not you, then who' etc. 1604279;1484674237;thestringpuller;dark ages 3.0 1604280;1484674257;*;mircea_popescu graced the subte (subway) today. the advertising is something else! "pizza #1 por cantidad the queso por porcion". 1604281;1484674268;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, why not buy some cheese if that's the criteria. 1604282;1484674318;mircea_popescu;"this grana padano slice is the "pizza" with highest cheese per portion content ever : 100%" 1604283;1484674332;asciilifeform;relatedly, i found that streets of odessa are all on 'google street', and discovered that ~every single cafe there is a mcdonalds now. 1604284;1484674351;asciilifeform;and also that there is a ~monument of steve jobs~ 1604285;1484674354;mircea_popescu;heh. dorks. 1604286;1484674412;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, and BingoBoingo might find this interesting, i finally tamed one of the wildcats, but she died four days later. i dug grave at midnight, and wondered if neighbours would call police. but nobody did. 1604287;1484674536;asciilifeform;( was ~6 wks. old beast, and already very sickly when found. fed antibiotic, liquid food, etc. but no dice. asciilifeform will not be changing professions and running a zoo, nor a circus. ) 1604288;1484674588;asciilifeform;but i still have the fleas. so i suppose i could open flea circus. 1604289;1484674653;mircea_popescu;you still have to train thsoe. 1604290;1484674664;Framedragger;oh hm - commendable efforts asciilifeform, sad outcome :( 1604291;1484675631;Framedragger;https://archive.is/Z6JDu << gabriel_laddel_p's "A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem", finally found time to read through it, not bad. guess it's been discussed before tho 1604292;1484675638;Framedragger;!#s realistic solution 1604293;1484675638;a111;10 results for "realistic solution", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=realistic%20solution 1604294;1484675663;Framedragger;i liked "incidental sexpr", too >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-09#1267282 1604295;1484675663;a111;Logged on 2015-09-09 05:01 trinque: started with math, said "what if we didn't have any order of operations except those explicitly stated, and also "wtf re: infix anyway?" 1604296;1484675802;hanbot; asciilifeform's feral cat appreciation nodule would prolly enjoy the pobrecitamos shore here (found only recently because super labyrinthine/unmarked pedestrian access). penniless 'fishermen' sit on concrete stumps and occasionally pull up ~minnow, cats abound, waiting for 'might as well throw it to the cats'. nevertheless they manage to be very skinny, and fairly confused. 1604297;1484675858;mircea_popescu;lol pobrecitamo is quite an apt to describe the local retard. 1604298;1484675872;mircea_popescu;"small big poorhead" 1604299;1484675953;asciilifeform;there are fishermen in buenos aires ?! 1604300;1484675967;asciilifeform;that water looked like bmore's, mostly sludge 1604301;1484675967;mircea_popescu;sure. 1604302;1484675973;asciilifeform;how can anything live there. 1604303;1484675999;hanbot;"thing", "live" 1604304;1484676005;mircea_popescu;here's a pro tip : the "vida de noche" etc fashionable resort is "mar del plata". from reports it's a) all fambly beach, very densely populated, NO PARTIES and b) deeply contaminated with sewage. they don't care. 1604305;1484676037;mircea_popescu;will waddle through the characteristic ocre brown of sewage. soberania, argentina no es un pais pobre, etcetera. 1604306;1484676042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my last summer near the black sea, there was ~no beach, closed, sewage. 1604307;1484676076;mircea_popescu;you should see the riverfront here. miles of what anywhere else would be primo waterfront real estate, covered in old garbage. 1604308;1484676080;mircea_popescu;MILES. 1604309;1484676088;asciilifeform;hanbot: no wonder the cats are thin, if they eat sludgefish 1604310;1484676116;mircea_popescu;no development in sight, 100 feet to a highway. they put the fucking highway by the ~best land in town. 1604311;1484676150;mircea_popescu;i don't think the depths of argentina imbecility can either be comprehended or described withouy a multi-year commitment. it's just a different planet down here. 1604312;1484676164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: t. dalrymple once wrote about a beach in liberia, where the locals would not even bother to build a latrine, just shat in the sand 1604313;1484676169;asciilifeform;so perhaps similar. 1604314;1484676207;mircea_popescu;anyone seriously looking for practical proof re the whole race-intelligence nonsense is invited to spend some time in buenos aires doing anything. start a bakery, i don't care. 1604315;1484676219;mircea_popescu;the ivy league of argentina is not qualified to populate san quentin. 1604316;1484676233;mircea_popescu;they're all white, but without exception the stupidest people i ever met. 1604317;1484676242;mircea_popescu;and i met 1980s russian proletariat and whatnot. 1604318;1484676251;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i saw quite a few old-fashioned greasy mechanic shops on the streets of b-a 1604319;1484676264;asciilifeform;and my own mechanic here in monkeystan is from b-a, incidentally. 1604320;1484676266;mircea_popescu;and i saw a bunch of parrots squeaking reveille. 1604321;1484676270;asciilifeform;so perhaps that's one surviving culture. 1604322;1484676315;*;hanbot was also harassed by uppity old women while trying to feed actual salmon scraps to local feline. it's enlightening, inasmuch as one realizes places that kinda suck for humans really suck for animals. you'd kinda hope cat > zombie but it just doesn't work out that way. 1604323;1484676317;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, it most pointedly it's not. see the noise discussion, where was it 1604324;1484676322;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu could have his 'chaika' fixed somewhere in b-a 1604325;1484676351;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1576008 1604326;1484676351;a111;Logged on 2016-12-01 20:49 mircea_popescu: it was long a low level puzzle this, "seriously, 2010 toyota sounds LIKE THAT ?!" 1604327;1484676404;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orc mechanics naturally don't use original parts. 1604328;1484676409;asciilifeform;(where would they get'em ?) 1604329;1484676430;asciilifeform;hanbot: what did the old woman want 1604330;1484676431;mircea_popescu;in the fucking shop ? 1604331;1484676438;mircea_popescu;orc mechanics DO ATTEMPT TO CHARGE WHAT ACTUAL MECHANICS DO! 1604332;1484676451;mircea_popescu;they think this is a country! that they should get rents! and salaries! and be paid! holy shit ? 1604333;1484676489;asciilifeform;what can i say, i live in one of those also. 1604334;1484676489;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/postcards-from-retardistan/ << 2nd picture. orc real estate agent steals the windows and tries to charge what they do in miami. they're not simply orcs, not here. 1604335;1484676548;mircea_popescu;"why shouldn't this be just like miami ? it's hot and by the water!" "yes, but miami is mostly party sluts and rich old jewish ex-party-sluts ; wheres buenos aires is the world's largest open air feebleminded reservation." "so ?" 1604336;1484676706;hanbot;asciilifeform: she wanted to be important, i imagine. you shouldn't feed fish to cats, don'tchaknow, cause what if that's not what's good for them. this, ofc, buried in metric fuckton of babbling, todo biens, etc. i'm honestly ashamed i didn't outright sock her one. i end up questioning whether i've a moral imperative to massacre almost every time i venture out by now. 1604337;1484676808;asciilifeform;hanbot: at least in this respect, my monkeystan wins. my neighbours actually compete with me for cat-restaurant attraction. 1604338;1484676854;asciilifeform;but some folx get carried away, my next door old woman turned out to be 'cat hoarder', ended up in hospital somehow, and her relatives called in the d00dz in gas masks and chem suits 1604339;1484677006;hanbot;fairly difficult for me to judge which state of affairs is sorrier 1604340;1484677060;mircea_popescu;it's a thing with old women. classical witch with her cat is not exactly coincidental. 1604341;1484677115;hanbot;why is it always cats, anyway? why not...butterflies? crystals? succulents? 1604342;1484677140;mircea_popescu;cat is a preditor. the old woman is ~ a farmed animal, roughly in the sense of the afids ants keep. 1604343;1484677171;mircea_popescu;yes there's a lot of cats to the crone which superficially contrasts the lots of sheep to the shepherd, but that is driven by the relative size not the actual relationship. 1604344;1484677187;mircea_popescu;weasels lick blood and cats lick old women. 1604345;1484677224;asciilifeform;now this is interesting, and has weight, because i actually envied the old woman her ability to get the cats to come indoors 1604346;1484677240;mircea_popescu;you don't look like a sheep, even if in costume, mr wolfislav. 1604347;1484677246;asciilifeform;evidently. 1604348;1484677631;trinque;gotta wonder what role toxoplasmosis plays in the hoarding. 1604349;1484677700;*;trinque admits *wanting to* find that infection drove these creatures to live in animal shit 1604350;1484677792;asciilifeform;the problems of the cats are a scale model of the problems of the inhabitants of modern socialist monkeystans 1604351;1484677816;asciilifeform;they congregate, unnaturally, around the concentrated (and typically quite unhealthy) food sources 1604352;1484677827;asciilifeform;just like city dwellers. 1604353;1484677897;trinque;"thing that ought to have died" 1604354;1484677979;asciilifeform;when carnivorous beast lives in the forest, where it belongs, elementarily its population does not explode grotesquely as in old woman's basement etc. 1604355;1484678009;asciilifeform;(it will, as is well-known, cycle, but not to absurd density of 'hoarder') 1604356;1484678373;*;danielpbarron has 1 tame and 5 wild felines 1604357;1484679021;BingoBoingo; you should see the riverfront here. miles of what anywhere else would be primo waterfront real estate, covered in old garbage. << Just like Murican cities! 1604358;1484679109;BingoBoingo; unrelatedly, and BingoBoingo might find this interesting, i finally tamed one of the wildcats, but she died four days later. i dug grave at midnight, and wondered if neighbours would call police. but nobody did. << I usally bury dead critters found on premises as well. Just keep them out of the compost. 1604359;1484679153;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: actually i found this one a few blocks away, on a walk. spent considerable money and effort in attempt to grow it. 1604360;1484679401;BingoBoingo;Ah, I usually don't see too incredibly young ones. Most often dead critters I find are smaller ones that seem to have been "cat entertainment" 1604361;1484679576;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in quite other non-news, apparently there is a ru clone ( http://oao-ka.ru/Vremennyj_katalog/Kanal_nye_shifratory_konfidecial_noj_informacii/APPARAT_ShIFROVANIJa_POTOKOV_CIFROVOJ_INFORMACII_SA295-1___KORD-KM__.htm ) of usg's 'taclane' channel cipherator. 1604362;1484679599;asciilifeform;and it is even made by modern descendant of solzhenitsyn's famous employer. 1604363;1484691258;asciilifeform;in other non-news, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/824E48D75383F65BF17D4C0103619CA0085F767E << a very, very busy usg beaver. 1604364;1484692193;Framedragger;https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html?_r=0 1604365;1484692546;trinque;is this precedent for chopped off dick == pardoned ? 1604366;1484692551;trinque;seems entirely apt. 1604367;1484692658;trinque;they should streamline this into a state-sanctioned rehabilitation program. 1604368;1484692668;Framedragger;meh. dropping the whole 'all this is mayongenderism omg' forum kerfuffle, you think gender played an actual part here? :) 1604369;1484692679;Framedragger;dropping for a bitŪ 1604370;1484692684;Framedragger;for a bit* 1604371;1484692693;trinque;I don't think you realize the politics behind it. 1604372;1484692702;trinque;!#s dulap 1604373;1484692703;a111;210 results for "dulap", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dulap 1604374;1484692708;trinque;^ oblig 1604375;1484692736;*;asciilifeform pictures a future mircea_popescu novella, 'dulap archipelago' 1604376;1484692770;mircea_popescu;o hai 1604377;1484692803;trinque;afternoon! 1604378;1484692853;Framedragger;will honestly review. i don't want to appear completely naive here 1604379;1484692871;mircea_popescu;trinque effects of toxoplasmosis is somewhat well studied. for one thing it's very prevalent. for the other, it DOES affect rat behaviour. 1604380;1484692889;Framedragger;i have to share this 'cause it's lulzy: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/at3ds/?raw=true 1604381;1484692894;mircea_popescu;but https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2526142/ etc 1604382;1484692942;mircea_popescu;survey study, "Consistent and significant differences in Cattell's personality factors were found between Toxoplasma-infected and -uninfected subjects in 9 of 11 studies, and these differences were not the same for men and women." 1604383;1484693020;trinque;also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-24#1307026 1604384;1484693020;a111;Logged on 2015-10-24 19:25 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/another_diagnosis_of_schizophr.html >> quite worth a read. 1604385;1484693066;mircea_popescu;oh speaking of schizophrenia, anyone seen the film i watched last night and which is quite excellent on the topic but i can't rememeber its name ? 1604386;1484693066;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i read this (iirc, this very one) when it came out, and still question the arrow of causality here 1604387;1484693092;mircea_popescu;ah, i'm not proposing anything of the sort, just giving some "stuff related", ie, that he's not entirely on his own 1604388;1484693106;asciilifeform;(entirely plausibly, those with the described characteristics are simply more likely to pick up the microbe, rather than vice-versa) 1604389;1484693115;mircea_popescu;or the cats. yep. 1604390;1484693399;mircea_popescu;and in other news, after #chainstate ended up making people learn lisp, #eulora is now making people learn c 1604391;1484693431;asciilifeform;everyone oughta know c. 1604392;1484693436;asciilifeform;just like knowing how to use and clean kalash. 1604393;1484693441;asciilifeform;it is an eternal thing. 1604394;1484693504;jurov;except this kalash is c++ 1604395;1484693522;jurov;and the issue is null dereference in destructor 1604396;1484693527;asciilifeform;aaah, that's not a kalash at all, but american m-whatever-with-shit-bolted-on-the-sides. 1604397;1484693548;mircea_popescu;stop hatein! 1604398;1484693562;ben_vulpes;crazy shit stick! 1604399;1484693564;ben_vulpes;what wrong with you! 1604400;1484693574;mircea_popescu;dude is learning difference between data and pointer to data, it's all good. 1604401;1484693667;mircea_popescu;oh and also "danielpbarron> why would adding a declaration like this cause it to crash? apparently some other change i made that works without crashing on its own conflicts with this somehow". 1604402;1484693672;mircea_popescu;i'd say it's very good crash course. 1604403;1484693727;Framedragger;truns out `diff` and/or version control are useful :p "what shit did i change..." 1604404;1484693791;danielpbarron;yes i'm looking at the diff now 1604405;1484693805;Framedragger;cool stuff. 1604406;1484693809;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: what, your diffulator doesn't tell you about c declaration conflicts? 1604407;1484693820;mircea_popescu;he's new omaigerd. give him some space. 1604408;1484693858;ben_vulpes;why aren't you using llvm to crap out asts and diff those? 1604409;1484693872;ben_vulpes;i have more bad ideas if you want some 1604410;1484693881;Framedragger;SafeSpace space(); ? 1604411;1484693882;mircea_popescu;this should be expressed in comic panel form 1604412;1484693925;jurov;xkcd surely has one 1604413;1484693927;ben_vulpes;wait no what you really want to do is compile the binaries pipe them through xxd and into vi where you can compare them bitwise 1604414;1484693942;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: admit, you just read about this on HN 1604415;1484693950;ben_vulpes;or hm maybe store them as rows in postgres 1604416;1484693951;Framedragger;that google girl did it 1604417;1484693963;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: it's called a "topical reference" 1604418;1484693972;ben_vulpes;i am occasionally au courant 1604419;1484693974;mircea_popescu;put some topical ointment on it 1604420;1484693989;Framedragger;it's fashionable. 1604421;1484693997;ben_vulpes;xxd, a fashion item. 1604422;1484694015;mircea_popescu;it standas for very very dork amirite 1604423;1484694020;ben_vulpes;tar means tape archive 1604424;1484694025;ben_vulpes;what other jewels can we dig up today 1604425;1484694029;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1604426;1484694042;jurov;https://xkcd.com/138/ 1604427;1484694051;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes be seriouse. 1604428;1484694075;ben_vulpes;i'm seriously kidding 1604429;1484694099;ben_vulpes;oh wait hey did you know that fundamental lisp constructs are named after registers on ancient machines? omglzozol 1604430;1484694148;jurov;ben_vulpes: that's deprecated, they are properly named #'first and #'rest 1604431;1484694159;ben_vulpes;i have more shitty jokes from hacker news 1604432;1484694161;ben_vulpes;wait come back 1604433;1484694163;ben_vulpes;i'm not done 1604434;1484694185;ben_vulpes;jurov: hipster 1604435;1484694190;mircea_popescu;i don't think hacker news is cool enough to be here 1604436;1484694190;ben_vulpes;jurov: that's just syntactic sugar 1604437;1484694203;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575868 << see also. 1604438;1484694203;a111;Logged on 2016-12-01 19:16 mircea_popescu: "mice were found in germany which is a country that once invaded the soviet union where lenin introduced electricity which goes through tubes in which tubes today in england most mices live." "OH NOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!!!" 1604439;1484694239;jurov;looks like some NOx leaked from heathenchannel? 1604440;1484694259;mircea_popescu;why, is time going by really really fast ? 1604441;1484694276;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: drugs don't have any real effect 1604442;1484694278;ben_vulpes;qualia are real 1604443;1484694296;mircea_popescu;i'll never be fucking rid of that nonsense will i! 1604444;1484694314;ben_vulpes;QUALIA ARE REEEEAL 1604445;1484694320;jurov;ben_vulpes: qualia are just registers on ancient machines 1604446;1484694336;ben_vulpes;jurov: registers on ancient machines are just syntactic sugar for qualia 1604447;1484694340;mircea_popescu;next some nut is going to go around pretending ousia are speaking to him. which is so much better than you know, plain old teddybears and doorknobs. 1604448;1484694354;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: my tulpa takes offense. 1604449;1484694365;mircea_popescu;i thought you had a wife. 1604450;1484694392;ben_vulpes;my tulpa, wife, wife-tulpa and tulpa-wife all take offense 1604451;1484694406;mircea_popescu;japanese pillows strictly verboten in conjugal bed. 1604452;1484694426;ben_vulpes;unspeakable conjugations 1604453;1484694446;mircea_popescu;seriously, what happens if you get one of these to define the qualia-tulpa difference ? 1604454;1484694642;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604359 << much to my loving pride, when we ran across very confused kitten on walk girl repressed her inclination to push for same. 1604455;1484694642;a111;Logged on 2017-01-17 18:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually i found this one a few blocks away, on a walk. spent considerable money and effort in attempt to grow it. 1604456;1484694687;Framedragger;qaulia-tulpa... ...so yeah, most of philosophy is just the effects of dereferencing language-originating concepts which don't have a reference. one finds random data, or barfs, and proceeds to mystify results :( 1604457;1484694732;mircea_popescu;not most of all. but contemporary/english "philosophy" is entirely equal to chatter-of-bored-iran-housewives. 1604458;1484694739;mircea_popescu;and for the exact direct reason. 1604459;1484694770;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it so happens that i like felines of all types. (they do not, however, like me much.) so i picked up the half-dead one. 1604460;1484694788;mircea_popescu;i liked them to, but i don't go around picking them up on the criteria of how much they need me to. 1604461;1484694813;asciilifeform;she ended up jimmy hendrixing (threw up and choked on vomit) , and various maneuvers incl. mouth-to-snout didn't help. 1604462;1484694813;mircea_popescu;imagine if that's how it worked, you'd all be married! thrice! 1604463;1484694826;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ah it is just that normally i can't catch'em 1604464;1484694835;mircea_popescu;dude... 1604465;1484694838;asciilifeform;beast usually runs away. 1604466;1484694839;ben_vulpes;well there were the graveyard cats 1604467;1484694848;ben_vulpes;you seemed to get along with those adequately 1604468;1484694853;mircea_popescu;i had no idea asciilifeform was an incatcel. 1604469;1484694854;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: don't steal the graveyard animals, they belong to the nuns 1604470;1484694872;ben_vulpes;i don't keep cats, you don't need to caution me about taking them home. 1604471;1484694881;ben_vulpes;fleas, toxoplasmosis 1604472;1484694882;asciilifeform;ah ben_vulpes is dog aficionado yes 1604473;1484694887;jurov;asciilifeform: next time lick the anus, it helps digestion 1604474;1484694894;ben_vulpes;bwaaaa 1604475;1484694894;mircea_popescu;in felines, it does. 1604476;1484694900;asciilifeform;jurov: lel 1604477;1484694912;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yeah, the beasts i keep find cats entertaining prey 1604478;1484694914;asciilifeform;jurov: i did not go to veterinary school, did not know this algo. 1604479;1484694919;*;mircea_popescu knows woman used to do it for jaguars at zoo. 1604480;1484694942;ben_vulpes;child even would probably rend cat limb from limb within week 1604481;1484694961;mats;wild cats are pests 1604482;1484694977;mircea_popescu;that's kinda thesubstance of this thread yes. 1604483;1484694978;asciilifeform;mats prefers wild rats ? 1604484;1484695020;ben_vulpes;also pests? 1604485;1484695031;mats;i prefer that my neighbors avoid supporting pests that annihilate the local fauna 1604486;1484695070;ben_vulpes;i prefer extinguishing all fauna and covering the landscape in identical plastic potemkin suburbs 1604487;1484695074;asciilifeform;mats: the pest next to whom all other local-fauna annihilators pale in comparison, is human. 1604488;1484695095;ben_vulpes;filling water table with esoteric natgas extraction byproducts and lighting tapwater for lols 1604489;1484695148;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604365 << they were hurr durring about how if he doesn't then nobody will for a while now. 1604490;1484695148;a111;Logged on 2017-01-17 22:35 trinque: is this precedent for chopped off dick == pardoned ? 1604491;1484695180;mats;asciilifeform: similarly, i prefer that my neighbors avoid supporting local homeless populations 1604492;1484695198;mats;but thankfully this isn't such a massive problem as in, say, San Francisco, San Diego 1604493;1484695217;mats;too cold. 1604494;1484695226;asciilifeform;mats: it is quite like hanging out with d00d who runs a massive, 19th-c.-style 'hellish mill', spewing coal smoke, but objecting to the smell of his cigar. 1604495;1484695257;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604368 << "gender" has no bearing on the "indentity politics" construction of "gender". what mattered was that private bradley edward manning was with the usg.dos and against the usg.dod. as it doesn't look likely usg.dos will even survive the trump terms, let alone ever again come to preminence, they'll do anything. 1604496;1484695257;a111;Logged on 2017-01-17 22:37 Framedragger: meh. dropping the whole 'all this is mayongenderism omg' forum kerfuffle, you think gender played an actual part here? :) 1604497;1484695260;ben_vulpes;mats: this year's freeze killed some homeless people, to the endlessly amusing horror of many locals 1604498;1484695287;mats;life ben_vulpes: why not universal basic income?!11 1604499;1484695301;mats;er, ignore that prepended life. 1604500;1484695303;mircea_popescu;wtf is ssi ? they already get ~700 a month 1604501;1484695316;ben_vulpes;mats: sure, let's go for it 1604502;1484695319;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: folx with no post box dun get nuffin 1604503;1484695326;ben_vulpes;definitely going to decrease the cost of living 1604504;1484695326;asciilifeform;(see gabriel_laddel for instance.) 1604505;1484695357;ben_vulpes;mats: so long as i get some, whatever 1604506;1484695364;ben_vulpes;i am all for increasing social programs 1604507;1484695370;ben_vulpes;increasing the national debt 1604508;1484695392;ben_vulpes;employing and accustoming armies of bachelors degrees holders to a 'nice middle class life' 1604509;1484695394;mircea_popescu;seems pretty much the only reasonable play. usg is beyond fixing, so steal as much as possible. 1604510;1484695403;mircea_popescu;makes obama activity quite logical in fact. 1604511;1484695406;ben_vulpes;accelerate the weimar days. let's go. 1604512;1484695421;mats;a yes, the welfare recipient is a tru patriot 1604513;1484695436;mircea_popescu;the patriot pointer was dereferenced long ago. 1604514;1484695453;ben_vulpes;cut taxes, increase social benefits. raise the debt ceiling, it's not like it actually matters, what the government doesn't balance its checkbook like a household omg 1604515;1484695465;mircea_popescu;the us had a "nationalization moment", when it attempted to become a nation (much like serbia did recently ; and got bombed for it by the same people). 1604516;1484695466;ben_vulpes;just borrow more! 1604517;1484695468;ben_vulpes;so easy. 1604518;1484695474;mircea_popescu;the result was that the national nucleus got crushed. 1604519;1484695502;mircea_popescu;and so there isn't such a thing as a patriot in that place since about the civil war, give or take. 1604520;1484695550;ben_vulpes;mats: forgive me, but what's a "patriot" in this context? 1604521;1484695609;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every year in washington there is a parade of grim motorcyclists with long, white beards. they served in vietnam. and naive description could be 'patriot' but they have the specific patriotism of folx who sat in same jail together. specifically focus on 'missing POWs', parading with black flags with barbed-wire head, etc. 1604522;1484695648;mircea_popescu;kresty group loyalty is not patriotism as the prison is not a nation even if you include its culture. 1604523;1484695660;asciilifeform;aha. is the point. 1604524;1484695670;asciilifeform;it is the only kind of 'patriotism' in usa. 1604525;1484695680;mats;ben_vulpes: a person that loves their country! 1604526;1484695688;mircea_popescu;most everything down there is cheap plastic copy of yurpean item huh 1604527;1484695695;mircea_popescu;mats and what is a country ? 1604528;1484695717;*;asciilifeform sings, 'с чего начинается родина...' 1604529;1484695722;mircea_popescu;technically : a patriot is a person who is willing to die in order to keep people who don't belong in his country out of his country. 1604530;1484695746;mats;i thought i was a patriot for a stretch. 1604531;1484695750;mircea_popescu;love dun so much enter, the notion is fundamentally self-abortive ; and there's no "for" as such. 1604532;1484695805;mircea_popescu;i actually became a patriot with the invention of tmsr, whodda thunk it. i never thought i would care enough. 1604533;1484695831;ben_vulpes;!!up agustin 1604534;1484695832;deedbot;agustin voiced for 30 minutes. 1604535;1484695835;ben_vulpes;WHO GOES THERE 1604536;1484695852;agustin;Just curious. 1604537;1484695856;ben_vulpes;ohai! 1604538;1484695858;ben_vulpes;welcome, then. 1604539;1484695860;agustin;hey :) 1604540;1484695866;agustin;Thank you very much. 1604541;1484695875;ben_vulpes;you have a gpg key? 1604542;1484695945;ben_vulpes;agustin: ^^ 1604543;1484695997;ben_vulpes;anyways, mats, pretty sure that us lost 90% of our generation with the "don't let the terrorists win! keep buying shit! and supporting Our Great Corporations!" at the tail end of 2001. 1604544;1484696080;mats;you mean you didn't believe Krugman when he said Debt is Good?! 1604545;1484696132;mats;anyway, this is a bit circle-jerk-y, so ill stop 1604546;1484696176;ben_vulpes;who? 1604547;1484696290;mircea_popescu;fucking quisman. there's always a bunch of these, and then they pretend to history. 1604548;1484696321;mircea_popescu;"we said the exact thing that someone was going to have said anyway in those circumstances and this should be recorded with a name associated." dude... why the everloving fuck already. 1604549;1484696411;ben_vulpes;heh 1604550;1484696426;ben_vulpes;one point of contact at $bigcorp's name was actually quisling 1604551;1484696453;ben_vulpes;hysterically apt. 1604552;1484696578;mats;now that POTUS has commuted Manning's sentence, i wonder if Assange is going to come in, as per https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 1604553;1484696642;asciilifeform;eh, harmless pederast pardoned today does not mean actual ENEMY OF ZE PEEPLE pardoned tomorrow 1604554;1484696793;mats;i'm not headed there, just curious if he's going to fly into us for trial and anal soldering 1604555;1484696816;ben_vulpes;"b-b-b-but i didn't siiiign that tweet!" 1604556;1484696943;agustin;I have a gpg key now. 1604557;1484696967;jurov;https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html 1604558;1484696970;jurov;“Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.” 1604559;1484696992;jurov;etc. etc. 1604560;1484696993;mircea_popescu;mats it is a "maximum damage" strategy, isn't it. 1604561;1484697015;ben_vulpes;agustin: you want to then register per http://deedbot.org/help.html 1604562;1484697030;ben_vulpes;but before you do, please ensure they key does not expire. 1604563;1484697034;ben_vulpes;the* 1604564;1484697037;mircea_popescu;jurov "Mr." is rapidly becoming the superlative of that whole string with "embattled" and "controversial" 1604565;1484697044;agustin;The key does not expire I created it that way. 1604566;1484697050;mircea_popescu;good choice. 1604567;1484697057;ben_vulpes;THEN PROCEED, STRANGER 1604568;1484697096;agustin;on my way. 1604569;1484697230;asciilifeform;in other lulz, esp. in light of recent ipv6 crapolade 0day in linux kernel, https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg100329.html : 1604570;1484697255;asciilifeform;'... the demonstrated fact that they are unwilling to make the well documented changes to deploy IPv6 because they simply refuse to make a change, or to learn something new. ... In the beta version of Windows XP I made sure IPv6 was ON-BY-DEFAULT, with no knob to turn it off, because I knew that given the option enterprise administrators would turn it off. I lost the battle in the shipping version though, and sure enough the first 1604571;1484697255;asciilifeform;things that showed up on search engines were instructions for how to turn IPv6 off.' 1604572;1484697309;jurov;i recommend clicking next by thread, it only gets lulzier 1604573;1484697319;asciilifeform;i did, it was glorious 1604574;1484697326;asciilifeform;e.g., 'demonetize IPv4 addresses and the problem will solve itself. there is financial inertia on the side of retaining v4 only stack networks.' 1604575;1484697350;asciilifeform;these are ~exactly~ the 'we missed the bitcoin train!111 rewind the clock!' folx 1604576;1484697363;agustin;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BTyZE/?raw=true 1604577;1484697365;deedbot;708F90EFE1A32427B6B5A131E347DD5E18F190C6 registered as agustin. 1604578;1484697367;mircea_popescu;ayup 1604579;1484697388;mircea_popescu;solving "scalability" problems that only exist in their nutty heads. 1604580;1484697412;ben_vulpes;!!rate agustin 1 can follow instructions 1604581;1484697417;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/LR0Jf/?raw=true 1604582;1484697421;asciilifeform;or how about instead we 'demonetize' their princeton degrees. or 'scale' them. 1604583;1484697427;mircea_popescu;yeah im also quite impressed. who are you an' what do you do agustin ? 1604584;1484697435;asciilifeform;or their suburban cardboard boxes. 1604585;1484697437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but we already have, so there is that. 1604586;1484697439;ben_vulpes;!!v ED367D99B8EB14ADF4882A0C63D1CC6CD78D1FC51F82394E54F1364BE5669B6D 1604587;1484697439;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated agustin 1 << can follow instructions 1604588;1484697446;ben_vulpes;agustin: ready to up yourself? 1604589;1484697518;ben_vulpes;"we blamed the operators. we blamed the cpe vendors. we blamed the router vendors. and now we blame the users. it's always someone else's fault." 1604590;1484697535;ben_vulpes;i will take delivery of the lols, tyvm 1604591;1484697603;ben_vulpes;"can we killer app it" 1604592;1484697604;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes fine example of how schelling points actually work, btw. 1604593;1484697607;ben_vulpes;omfg top notch 1604594;1484697627;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aye 1604595;1484697629;ben_vulpes;i see it 1604596;1484697650;ben_vulpes;agustin: well now you'll *need* to !!up yourself 1604597;1484697722;ben_vulpes;open project for #tmsr acolytes: scrape chainstate for time delta between blocks for the past few days, calculate average and first std dev. 1604598;1484697731;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate 1604599;1484697745;*;ben_vulpes is rewriting logger, would do it otherwise. 1604600;1484698460;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes your notion of making channel log one single line is hindering bashing pointlessly. 1604601;1484698506;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: pardon? 1604602;1484698633;mircea_popescu;curl http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-17 | sed "s/span>/\n/g" | grep "m, " | awk -F ", " '{print $3$4}' | sed 's/m/*60+/ ; s%s/\n/g" | grep "m, " | awk -F ", " '{print $3$4}' | sed 's/m/*60+/ ; s%s%%' | bc << that has pretty much everything that's needed. fiddle the awk to make an acumulator then print a 2nd colum,n with the sdev etc. 1604613;1484699799;Ingolfr_Arnarson;agustin againhere, messed up not remembering the gpg passphrase just created. And changed my nickname for the name I go around usually. 1604614;1484699824;Ingolfr_Arnarson;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/069DP/?raw=true 1604615;1484699827;deedbot;8EC5D12F9914F85DAF2304356A533C6C941BB0D9 registered as Ingolfr_Arnarson. 1604616;1484699829;ben_vulpes;lolk 1604617;1484699939;mircea_popescu;prolly better to import it in r anyway 1604618;1484699964;mircea_popescu;(aka gnu s) 1604619;1484700132;Ingolfr_Arnarson;!!up Ingolfr_Arnarson 1604620;1484700132;deedbot;You may not !!up yourself. 1604621;1484700188;ben_vulpes;!!rate Ingolfr_Arnarson 1 new blood 1604622;1484700190;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/046K6/?raw=true 1604623;1484700212;ben_vulpes;!!v 61A580475F8BE8AEDD7DE7295076F5BCF077307B8CEBD36432DF8B34F48A7AD7 1604624;1484700212;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated Ingolfr_Arnarson 1 << new blood 1604625;1484700219;ben_vulpes;Ingolfr_Arnarson: try again 1604626;1484700244;Ingolfr_Arnarson;!!up Ingolfr_Arnarson 1604627;1484700244;deedbot;Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes. 1604628;1484700249;Ingolfr_Arnarson;good. 1604629;1484700251;ben_vulpes;well that's an interesting result 1604630;1484700262;ben_vulpes;trinque: ^^ "for 30 minutes"? 1604631;1484700275;ben_vulpes;Ingolfr_Arnarson: indulge me for a second, i'm going to down you and then would you up yourself? 1604632;1484700280;ben_vulpes;!!down Ingolfr_Arnarson 1604633;1484700282;phf;hehe 1604634;1484700284;phf;!!up phf 1604635;1484700284;deedbot;phf voiced for 30 minutes. 1604636;1484700290;phf;now we wait 1604637;1484700299;mircea_popescu;!!down phf 1604638;1484700299;deedbot;mircea_popescu may not !!down phf. 1604639;1484700305;ben_vulpes;heh 1604640;1484700305;mircea_popescu;i doubt it'll devoice you 1604641;1484700351;ben_vulpes;Ingolfr_Arnarson: you'll hafta pm deedbot if you haven't figured that out yet 1604642;1484700367;ben_vulpes;heyo 1604643;1484700378;Ingolfr_Arnarson;It working as expected now? 1604644;1484700384;ben_vulpes;appears to be, yes. 1604645;1484700399;Ingolfr_Arnarson;Good. Thanks. 1604646;1484700441;Ingolfr_Arnarson;Mircea asked me to introduce myself before, I'll type about myself a bit now and then press enter. 1604647;1484700453;mircea_popescu;works. 1604648;1484700588;trinque;ben_vulpes: well he specified his own name 1604649;1484700609;ben_vulpes;trinque: i see 1604650;1484700717;trinque;I could go all UX designer over here but seems the opposite of urgent. 1604651;1484700726;ben_vulpes;nono i understand how it works now 1604652;1484700739;ben_vulpes;like i did two months before 1604653;1484700747;mircea_popescu;lol 1604654;1484700756;mircea_popescu;i was thinking "hey, this is a recurring vulpes thing" 1604655;1484700839;ben_vulpes;Ingolfr_Arnarson: you writing a novel? 1604656;1484700904;Ingolfr_Arnarson;I am a normal guy with a normal work, who for some strange life chances ended up into libertarianism (politics until turning full ancap) and around the bitcoin community here. There is where I knew someone who let me know about Mircea's posts and about this channel. I am into coding, into maths, physics and of course crypto. And trying to organize a better society without state. I think that's all that may be relevant to say now. Any questions? 1604657;1484700925;mircea_popescu;well nothing there's very specific, but sure. 1604658;1484700997;mircea_popescu;and in other BingoBoingo -approved news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/259b05a299d6bcce4e9a028a28245499/tumblr_ny1vacj8qo1r3z5lio1_1280.jpg 1604659;1484701138;asciilifeform;Ingolfr_Arnarson: do you have a www ? 1604660;1484701174;Ingolfr_Arnarson;(hold on, phone) 1604661;1484701186;Ingolfr_Arnarson;!!down Ingolfr_Arnarson 1604662;1484701274;mircea_popescu;watch that the dude turns out to be perfectly sane AND from argentina, ruining my whole stereotype. 1604663;1484701838;phf;Framedragger: that movie about whores is nice. it's only spoiled by an occasional "poignant" bjork style soundtrack. i couldn't figure out if it's trying to cue you when you're supposed to feel sad, or if the director just likes that kind of music.. 1604664;1484701848;mircea_popescu;which one is this ? 1604665;1484701873;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603330 1604666;1484701873;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 19:10 Framedragger: another film recommendation by association - documentary: "whore's glory" - by one glawogger (who died from malaria or somesuch while filming in liberia or somewheresuch), a bunch of interviews with whores in bangladesh, thailand etc 1604667;1484701882;trinque;actually I'll probably go ahead and sand off that rough edge; it's confusing. 1604668;1484701885;mircea_popescu;ah 1604669;1484701913;mircea_popescu;trinque there's really nothing wrong with people being able to noob-up themselves. 1604670;1484702308;danielpbarron;he should have typed just !!up 1604671;1484702332;danielpbarron;!!up 1604672;1484702334;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5ywX0/?raw=true 1604673;1484702973;Ingolfr_Arnarson;asciilifeform: I do not have a www created. Just owning www.ancapia.com, trying to design the best plan to make it a guide for people into voluntaryism or to turn it into an actual virtual nation conforming instructions. If possible. If I decide it is not, then I'll drop it and dedicate onto other projects I have. 1604674;1484703295;danielpbarron;should put a blog there 1604675;1484703315;phf;"plan a: create nation state. plan b: hack on some python code" 1604676;1484703342;Ingolfr_Arnarson;But... is another blog needed? 1604677;1484703360;danielpbarron;you have a blog already? then no, a second blog is not needed 1604678;1484703585;Ingolfr_Arnarson;No but a lot of people have and are saying things better than I could. 1604679;1484703674;trinque;Ingolfr_Arnarson: where would I find another actual virtual nation? 1604680;1484703739;*;trinque tends to think the ancap thing is a developmental stage. 1604681;1484703760;Ingolfr_Arnarson;I heard there is a republic running in here. Also bitcoin could work as one if it doesn't fail in an unexpected way. 1604682;1484703781;trinque;first comes the "fuck you I won't do whatcha tell me," then later one considers that in a competitive arena, things tend to sort. 1604683;1484703876;Ingolfr_Arnarson;And don't forget realizing one can try to sort out things without *having* to kill each other. 1604684;1484704005;trinque;surely killing a person might be a waste, but one would have to bother to define person before using the term 1604685;1484704060;trinque;if non-personhood drowns out personhood, then what? 1604686;1484704123;Ingolfr_Arnarson;I have a definition under the ancap 'contract' 1604687;1484704175;danielpbarron;Ingolfr_Arnarson, a blog is not only for you to judge the world, but for the world to judge you 1604688;1484704657;Ingolfr_Arnarson;danielpbarron: I could answer to that saying that I only need judgment from people I interact directly , BUT maybe I am wrong so I will ponder about that statement. 1604689;1484704787;Ingolfr_Arnarson;trinque: If you replace "Ancap" by "Person" in this, it is how I define it. https://s27.postimg.org/7xfkjiokj/Ancap_Agreement.png 1604690;1484704831;Ingolfr_Arnarson;(back on the phone, sorry, brb, if i do bb) 1604691;1484704837;Ingolfr_Arnarson;!!down Ingolfr_Arnarson 1604692;1484705245;phf;Когда у меня один грамм кц есть, тогда желтые штаны носить мочь. И передо мной пацак не один, а два раза должен приседать и “ку” говорить. Ясно? А если у меня два грамма кц есть, я малиновые штаны носить мочь, и меня энцилопп ночью не имеет права бить. 1604693;1484705245;phf; А если я больше трех грамм кц спрятал, то передо мной и чатланин на чатланской планете должен приседать и “ку” говорить. Ясно? 1604694;1484705350;asciilifeform;^^ 1604695;1484705520;asciilifeform;+ 'Плюк - чатланская планета, поэтому мы, пацаки, должны цаки носить.' 1604696;1484705533;jurov;what does it mean? i mean, semantically? 1604697;1484705586;jurov;at least, what is кц? 1604698;1484705616;asciilifeform;jurov: very difficult to explain. cult film, from 1980s. кц was currency used by oddball aliens on their planet. turned out to ~= ordinary matches from earth. 1604699;1484705831;mircea_popescu;plan a: create nation state. plan b: hack on some python code. plan c: kill some unloved males. 1604700;1484705890;phf;movie is sort of an absurdist take on cargo cultism. in this case the quotes are instructions on social ritual on a backwards planet, that are obviously meaningless. a su viewer would see parallels to own life 1604701;1484705895;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in windows today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cc69438ca3932aac88c8957acb739475/tumblr_nl2p8hPYsJ1r3z5lio1_1280.jpg 1604702;1484705920;asciilifeform;wtf spinal deformity is that. 1604703;1484705937;mircea_popescu;phf you seen the exterminating angel ? 1604704;1484705946;phf;one man's spinal deformity is another man's dat arch 1604705;1484705969;mircea_popescu;as it happens i was just watching it, talk of coincidences. 1604706;1484706001;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is not a deformity, that is a learned behaviour. girl is supposed to be able to take that pose or else needs to work out more. 1604707;1484706040;mircea_popescu;!#s lordosis behaviour 1604708;1484706041;a111;3 results for "lordosis behaviour", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lordosis%20behaviour 1604709;1484706081;phf;^ https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5009/5356114623_e92056be77_b.jpg 1604710;1484706120;mircea_popescu;heh 1604711;1484706211;phf;this exterminating angel looks neat, i'll put it in the backlog 1604712;1484706232;mircea_popescu;it's exactly equivalent, bunch of "aliens" (spanish high society) just lose it. 1604713;1484706248;mircea_popescu;and the fact that they notice they're losing it does not help them. 1604714;1484706358;mircea_popescu;and to continue the spinal behaviours, http://68.media.tumblr.com/fa2db66dbcece92a4dbda217bff08faa/tumblr_nl26wm4Dby1r3z5lio1_1280.jpg 1604715;1484706482;shinohai;Road Rash 1604716;1484706655;phf;huh apparently obama administration shut down yucca mountain repository project back in 2011, http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/05/10/10greenwire-gao-death-of-yucca-mountain-caused-by-politica-36298.html?pagewanted=all 1604717;1484706686;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-18#1604688 << the problem is that what you want and what you need don't readily map. 1604718;1484706686;a111;Logged on 2017-01-18 01:57 Ingolfr_Arnarson: danielpbarron: I could answer to that saying that I only need judgment from people I interact directly , BUT maybe I am wrong so I will ponder about that statement. 1604719;1484706805;mircea_popescu;it turns out on meditation that the blue-and-red usg as a matter of practical gnosis stands doubled by the subjective-objective vs need-want spurious equivalences. the charade promises "girls" that what they think is what is ; AND boys that what they want is what they need. 1604720;1484706918;mircea_popescu;it's not just "feminist" that has to be either taught at moderate expense to think what is rather than expect what she thinks to be is'd at fabulous expense ; it's also "ancap" that has to be either taught to want what he needs at moderate expense rather than expect he wants will be made to be what he actually needs, at yet another fabulous expense. 1604721;1484706995;mircea_popescu;in which perspective, "stop whining, you weren't raped, it's called reproduction" on one hand and "shut it, you can't have ideas, you're not a person" become quite readily equivalent mirror processes of de-subhumanization. 1604722;1484707282;mircea_popescu;Ingolfr_Arnarson who the hell makes pngs out of text, srsly now. and how exactly is "anarcho capitalism" supposed to have morphed into this nonsense "i am afraid of the dentist" "nonviolence" bullshit ? violence is great for you ; arguably the best of the various available tools in nature's arsenal. 1604723;1484707326;mircea_popescu;as presented this is just a tedious rehash of us-style evanghelism, itself a tedious rehash of catolicism, itself a tedious rehash of orthodox xtianity. there's ~0 need of re-re-re-re-doing a stupid idea, seriously now. 1604724;1484707405;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, imagine if these pansy-ass "ancaps" end up in power, and fail to hang ~everyone who was ever involved with a us political party in any capacity because "oh that'd be violent". holy shit you don't like reading history do you. 1604725;1484707444;asciilifeform;imagine if mircea_popescu's potted datura stramonia bush ended up in power. 1604726;1484707453;mircea_popescu;machinegun the fucking tsar, yo. that's ~the only thing the russkis did right. 1604727;1484707496;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's pretty much why i said "imagine" rather than suppose. 1604728;1484708359;phf;building a virtual nation and ~starting~ with question of physical violence seems odd 1604729;1484708498;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-18#1604691 << this isn't necessary; you don't have to devoice when not present. 1604730;1484708498;a111;Logged on 2017-01-18 02:00 Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!down Ingolfr_Arnarson 1604731;1484709050;Ingolfr_Arnarson;trinque, got it, actually I know I was just playing with the feature as when *muting* in a conference :P 1604732;1484709087;Ingolfr_Arnarson;mircea_popescu, Is violence is so good, may I ask how much violence do you need on yourself in your life? 1604733;1484709223;Ingolfr_Arnarson;If* 1604734;1484710066;mircea_popescu;the problem with your question is that it presumes an equality that's not there. i beat my slaves whenever they need it, though. 1604735;1484710197;mircea_popescu;phf i imagine it's descriptive, the end goal is supposed to be some sort of world where nobody can possibly get one upside the head no matter what. 1604736;1484710254;mircea_popescu;seems a worthy continuation of the insanity that got the us in its present pickle in the first place. first, no child left behind, then, no to bullying, finally, "no violence". if a little bit of shit in the soup made it bad, and a little more made it worse, surely the solution is pure turd potage. 1604737;1484710404;mircea_popescu;Ingolfr_Arnarson if you don't like the usg messing with you, the solution is emplaced m-2 machine guns and zirconium-based armor-piercing/incendiary rounds. not silly pngs. 1604738;1484710429;Ingolfr_Arnarson;But did you ask your slaves how much violence from you they need in their lives? There is no problem in the question, because it is a question that can be asked to someone who can actually have a choice. The slaves don't, even if they'd rather have zero violence in their lives, you do have a choice, hence I can ask you the question. 1604739;1484710475;mircea_popescu;well these slaves are slaves by choice. but in general, the concept of choice is groundless in this discussion. what basis would they choose on ? they know what they want and can't know what they need. 1604740;1484710543;Ingolfr_Arnarson;Your 2 machine guns are part of your legitimate defense. You can use violence, all you want. But if you want to conform a community that works as one, then you need to agree that among yourselves you won't be nasty. 1604741;1484710565;mircea_popescu;and why do you need to agree ? 1604742;1484710591;mircea_popescu;tmsr worked fine with no prior agreement. you have an exceptional standard of evidence before you to support that thesis. 1604743;1484710606;Ingolfr_Arnarson;if they choose to be slaves, and know being slaves, then it's not violence exactly. Violence is when you didn't want to get beaten. 1604744;1484710616;mircea_popescu;heh. 1604745;1484710668;mircea_popescu;looky : violence IS something in itself. there's no such license available, "it's not violence because of tulpas, qualias and other mentalisms". either the vase is glass, or the vase is not glass. 1604746;1484710707;mircea_popescu;what anyone involved or not involved feels or thinks on the topic must not get mixed into it. that's what "is" means. 1604747;1484710720;Ingolfr_Arnarson;I am afraid without the limits of qualias then everything is violence and if everything is violence then it is useless to even use a word for it. 1604748;1484710731;mircea_popescu;which is exactly the point here. 1604749;1484710777;mircea_popescu;and as a metholodogical principle : when you discover that your notion is baseless, the correct response is not to try and prop it up. the correct response is to get rid of it. 1604750;1484710905;Ingolfr_Arnarson;I apologize for using the word violence, because I know it is already being used in many ways that can be used to distort a specific meaning put on a so much touched symbol. Maybe I should use another word without participation in the already established language games. 1604751;1484710932;mircea_popescu;are you familiar with how the whole wot thing works, in practice, from the logs ? 1604752;1484710952;Ingolfr_Arnarson;a bit. 1604753;1484710959;Ingolfr_Arnarson;should re read 1604754;1484710989;mircea_popescu;can't hurt. in any case, you don't need any prior agreement. there already exists, and in practice works, a self-righting mechanism for the same purpose. 1604755;1484711001;mircea_popescu;we've been testing it extensively, over years, it's mostly a solved problem. 1604756;1484711206;Ingolfr_Arnarson;Of course I don't think that the 'ancap agreement' makes people fulfill it automatically by just saying they will, and there is an additional actual effective system needed to 'enforce' the agreement in a concrete way. 1604757;1484711232;mircea_popescu;which actual effective system also makes the "ancap agreement" spurious, as it happens. 1604758;1484711241;Ingolfr_Arnarson;and i agree wot is the best way. 1604759;1484711259;Ingolfr_Arnarson;Yeah. But it makes it happen. :) 1604760;1484711262;mircea_popescu;are you married ? 1604761;1484711268;Ingolfr_Arnarson;Not yet. 1604762;1484711286;mircea_popescu;do you have the agreement ready for that ? 1604763;1484711310;Ingolfr_Arnarson;*sigh* 1604764;1484711318;mircea_popescu;hmmmm ? 1604765;1484711410;Ingolfr_Arnarson;what would be such agreement? 1604766;1484711424;mircea_popescu;i dunno, a png i expect. same as here, neh ? 1604767;1484711449;mircea_popescu;how come you understand how broken nonsense is when it's close to home yet somehow memory hole that understanding when discussing more distant matter ? 1604768;1484711634;Ingolfr_Arnarson;some contracts negotiations are harder than others :P 1604769;1484711649;mircea_popescu;oh i see 1604770;1484711678;mircea_popescu;you know socialists of the "idealist" type have this in common, that they expect classes of solutions to "be right" in general but not in their own practice ? 1604771;1484711696;mircea_popescu;people don't tend to look too highly on this style, also known as "not eating own dogfood". 1604772;1484711801;Ingolfr_Arnarson;but i didn't say i wouldn't take a contract, it means you have just touched a sensitive point in my life due to the complexity of actors involved with different interests (she, me, her family) that we need to provide of part in the contract because of trying to live in peaceful terms with them after it and still get with our own plans. 1604773;1484711840;Ingolfr_Arnarson;But I get your point. 1604774;1484711847;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why you imagine the perisexual arrangements of a coupla people are notably important. seems to me to be by far the least important and least complex item there is. 1604775;1484711918;Ingolfr_Arnarson;It's useless to try to establish a contract to solve an issue is way less irrelevant that the way you make sure people can trust each other to give what was promised. 1604776;1484711941;mircea_popescu;that didn't parse. 1604777;1484711963;Ingolfr_Arnarson;Well, it depends, when your gf is from a conservative half hindu half muslim family you have to deal with complexity around the perisexual arrangements. 1604778;1484711975;Ingolfr_Arnarson;Sorry, true, that didn't parse. 1604779;1484712094;mircea_popescu;anyway, the trade in women was the first, historically, and throughout history in aggregate remains the most notable trade arrangement. it is neither exceptional not an improper subject of the discussion. exactly in the same way you settle all trade, you settle your nuptials ; and vice-versa. 1604780;1484712107;Ingolfr_Arnarson;It's useless to try to make a contract to solve an issue because the contract is way less relevant than the way you maximize the probabilities of getting what you want (i.e. buying from a scammer vs someone who was doing well for long -can still turn into a scammer anytime but less chances). 1604781;1484712135;mircea_popescu;so do what every sane male ever did : proscribe the parents, dekulakize them of the daughter, problem solved. 1604782;1484712157;mircea_popescu;may take some violence (tm) which is entirely fine. 1604783;1484712213;Ingolfr_Arnarson;that's why you pay them. 1604784;1484712236;mircea_popescu;how much does half muslim - half hindu girl cost these days ? 1604785;1484712264;Ingolfr_Arnarson;I am still trying to figure out the price, I'll let you know when the deal is settled. 1604786;1484712286;mircea_popescu;fwiw i wouldn't even consider the deal. pay, really ? heh. 1604787;1484712379;Ingolfr_Arnarson;You have to pay something, even if it is participating in a ridiculous hinduist ritual, and other things, so they are satisfied and leave you alone. 1604788;1484712438;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 1604789;1484712686;Ingolfr_Arnarson;i will know. 1604790;1484713177;Ingolfr_Arnarson;k, i'm gone, until next time. :) 1604791;1484716877;BingoBoingo;!~later tell Ingolfr_Arnarson Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1604792;1484716877;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1604793;1484717865;davout;ohai, guten morgen 1604794;1484717991;BingoBoingo;Good morning to you davout, our favorite resident of the Dark Island. 1604795;1484718045;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/hussein-bahamas-commutes-sentence-of-chelsea-nee-bradley-manning/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Commutes Sentence Of Chelsea (nee. Bradley) Manning 1604796;1484718615;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/police-clear-weapons-caches-in-dc-parks-ahead-of-trump-inauguration/ << Qntra - Police Clear Weapons Caches In DC Parks Ahead Of Trump Inauguration 1604797;1484720108;davout;currently appearing right next to each other on lefigaro.fr 1604798;1484720108;davout;http://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/2017/01/18/32001-20170118ARTFIG00014-pepe-l-histoire-d-une-grenouille-devenue-la-mascotte-de-l-extreme-droite-sur-internet.php 1604799;1484720115;davout;http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/presidentielles/primaires-gauche/2017/01/17/35005-20170117ARTFIG00277-manuel-valls-gilfe-lors-d-un-deplacement-en-bretagne.php 1604800;1484720169;davout;"Son humour est absurde et souvent à base de fluides corporels." 1604801;1484737729;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HnqF9/?raw=true 1604802;1484737729;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1604803;1484745646;mircea_popescu;le figaro, translating from ustardian newspapers two months later. they still get them by boat in the provinces or what ? 1604804;1484745690;mircea_popescu;the whole pepe fake news thing didn't go anywhere pre-elections and lost ~all relevancy nov 8th 1604805;1484747306;davout;fun times to be living in when fishwraps report about internet memes 1604806;1484747452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0CD9A20A2B24AC1479376D379E7FE5BC721141416BFE0C5DFD3A2DA7E8163123 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...7089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.119.154.51 (ssh-rsa key from 85.119.154.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (alpha.ammann-alz.ch. DE NW) 1604807;1484747452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0CD9A20A2B24AC1479376D379E7FE5BC721141416BFE0C5DFD3A2DA7E8163123 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...7729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.119.154.51 (ssh-rsa key from 85.119.154.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (alpha.ammann-alz.ch. DE NW) 1604808;1484752443;mircea_popescu;dat sad fucking day when the top result for francois perrier in both text and images comes from fucking trilema. 1604809;1484752456;mircea_popescu;davout tell the idiots over at le figaro it's game over. seriously now. 1604810;1484752677;trinque;wat 1604811;1484752737;trinque;he's getting connection timeouts so far trying to reconnect 1604812;1484752751;mircea_popescu;who ? 1604813;1484752756;trinque;herr deedbot 1604814;1484752781;trinque;ah must be freenode sandstorm day again 1604815;1484752910;shinohai;!~weather 1604816;1484752910;jhvh1;stormy with a chance of packeting 1604817;1484752917;trinque;lol 1604818;1484754081;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/late-to-the-party-as-usual/ << Trilema - Late to the party. As usual. 1604819;1484755539;asciilifeform;woah that's the dourest looking mircea_popescu face thus far 1604820;1484755651;mircea_popescu;i was reading some stupid shit online. 1604821;1484755664;mircea_popescu;(the pic is actually from luxor, 2003) 1604822;1484756760;asciilifeform;http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38664225 << in other noose. Use Moar Leadfree Solder!! 1604823;1484756776;asciilifeform;'Across the 18 satellites now in orbit, nine clocks have stopped operating. Three are traditional rubidium devices; six are the more precise hydrogen maser instruments that were designed to give Galileo superior performance to the American GPS network.' 1604824;1484756812;mircea_popescu;iirc the galileo system was never seriously intended to have reliable satellites. the plan was lots of them 1604825;1484756866;mircea_popescu;in other nutty, apparently there's a rather active tlp subreddit. in case anyone's unclear as to how "foss" works : they'll soon enough come up with a tlp 2.0 and then discontinue the original website. 1604826;1484758427;asciilifeform;in a continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604239 >> https://archive.is/AQPoU 1604827;1484758427;a111;Logged on 2017-01-17 16:06 mircea_popescu: suppose you met an ant one day, and this and told you in morse code its whole genome. 1604828;1484758598;mircea_popescu;apparently author experienced complete loss of interest in grammar also. 1604829;1484758612;asciilifeform;most likely never was literate. 1604830;1484758623;asciilifeform;(it is rare among young folx in monkeystan, nao.) 1604831;1484758644;mircea_popescu;but he's 23 and for MANY YEARS was extremely pro-startup. which illuminates why start-up had to lose the dash. 1604832;1484758666;asciilifeform;pretty sure it was pg who cut out its dash. 1604833;1484758672;asciilifeform;(why, i do not know, ask him not me) 1604834;1484758682;mircea_popescu;originally my "trei ani de experienta" (three years' experience) was a stab at the deeply illiterate, cargo-cultish third world shithole that was romania. 1604835;1484758686;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the us has closed the gap. 1604836;1484758698;asciilifeform;dunno if there ever ~was~ a gap. 1604837;1484758735;mircea_popescu;possibly just more successful at repressing the mass of idiots. 1604838;1484758760;mircea_popescu;"I convinced my self for so long that whatever I was doing was going to be great and help lots of people, but it didn't." 1604839;1484758775;mircea_popescu;myeah. almost made me want to leave a comment. but, not gonna bother. 1604840;1484758810;mircea_popescu;the cries of help from the abjectly humble may be heeded ; but hn has too much accumulated sin on its back. 1604841;1484759314;mircea_popescu;anyway. these "engineers" making their own bed... seriously now ? MEN WITH JOBS! JERRY! AND SECRETATIES! 1604842;1484759327;mircea_popescu;who the fuck makes his own bed ; and why the fuck do they think they have anything to say that may interest anyone. 1604843;1484759348;asciilifeform;at one point (mid-2000s) i quasi-regularly read hn. it always had a background hum of wagner/cyanide, but carefully filtered, the way slaughterhouse keeps the squeals isolated to one end of the conveyor, so as not to frighten the incoming pigs. 1604844;1484759448;mircea_popescu;i suppose if i gave half a shit about "online" and "the web" and whatnot in 2000s i might have read it too. as it happens, i didn't. 1604845;1484759499;asciilifeform;i didn't either. just bored. 1604846;1484759503;mircea_popescu;so i guess i miss out on most of the... what is it, "this used to be not bad" roots of the nonsense, much like my girls that started watching mtv in 2005 rather than the 90s. 1604847;1484759546;mircea_popescu;but yes, mtv was kinda... not bad, in 1995. not like it was great or anything, but by the time it "yo mtv raps" and so on it was clearly off the rails. 1604848;1484759569;asciilifeform;fwiw i never saw it and don't have a feeling of having missed anything. 1604849;1484759592;mircea_popescu;exactly how this works. the "had to have been there" sort of joke, not really funny in any sense. 1604850;1484759637;asciilifeform;i read reddit/hn, & co., for a short while because it had a subculture of commonlisp folx. then stayed tuned for no good reason for a spell, from inertia. 1604851;1484759659;mircea_popescu;yeah, where do lisp people hang out these days, outside of #chainstate ? 1604852;1484759687;asciilifeform;in phf's/ben_vulpes's/trinque's chairs... 1604853;1484759729;mircea_popescu;"as of december 2016 mtyv no longer plays music videos" ahahahaha 1604854;1484759873;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/ether-camp-breaks-out-in-cheating-accusations-after-huffing-orgy/ << Qntra - Ether.camp Breaks Out In Cheating Accusations After Huffing Orgy 1604855;1484759909;mircea_popescu;ahh that slow motion trainwreck is such comedy gold. 1604856;1484761159;*;asciilifeform had a dream last night, that he was tending a threadbare patch of ground in afghan. and another dream that he visited mircea_popescu's house, and it turned out to be a massive derelict freighter, tastefully rockefellerized on the inside. 1604857;1484761201;mircea_popescu;nice! 1604858;1484761369;shinohai;This is what you get for digging graves for cats at midnite asciilifeform ..... I think Samuel Clemens warned about things like this happening. 1604859;1484761381;asciilifeform;shinohai: i thought it was edgar poe who warned. 1604860;1484761495;shinohai;"Why, you take your cat and go and get in the graveyard 'long about midnight when somebody that was wicked has been buried; and when it's midnight a devil will come, or maybe two or three" 1604861;1484761563;BingoBoingo;Anyways the lesson of yesterday's log is that asciilifeform needs a warm wet cotton rag to help the next kitten. 1604862;1484761630;asciilifeform;what does that do 1604863;1484761747;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It lick the butthole without your tongue so kitty can poop 1604864;1484761767;asciilifeform;what sort of defective species is this. 1604865;1484761775;BingoBoingo;cat 1604866;1484761804;BingoBoingo;at some point cat grows to lick own butthole, but this is thing cat learns 1604867;1484761845;shinohai;I mean, we *all* have to learn how to lick buttholes. 1604868;1484762063;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0351549381C86B392E49437BC88CD95A42B4EBAD4B4F89E2DFF9851812D286AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1662...6497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.173.241.186 (ssh-rsa key from 210.173.241.186 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (apipo.net. JP) 1604869;1484762063;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0351549381C86B392E49437BC88CD95A42B4EBAD4B4F89E2DFF9851812D286AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...2037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.173.241.186 (ssh-rsa key from 210.173.241.186 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (apipo.net. JP) 1604870;1484762090;trinque;when I had two kittens around, I just folded the things in half until they got the message 1604871;1484762098;trinque;messy buttholes are forbidden 1604872;1484764271;mats;mm, butts 1604873;1484764860;asciilifeform;http://www.defensenews.com/articles/engine-drops-out-of-b-52-during-training-at-minot-air-force-base << somehow missed this gem. 1604874;1484765056;asciilifeform;'The Boeing-manufactured bomber has been flying since 1952 and is expected to remain operating until around 2040, depending on when it is fully replaced by the Northrop Grumman’s B-21. ' << b21 is the bomberized chumpatronic equiv. of the mega-imaginary f35. ~21 bil. usd already contracted, in 2015! for delivery in.. 2040. 1604875;1484765069;mats;in moar 'accidents', http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AF_NIGERIA_BOMBING_ERROR 1604876;1484765083;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wtf 1604877;1484765104;asciilifeform;cost predicted to be ~500 mil. each, iirc. 1604878;1484765110;mircea_popescu;how does an engine fall out 1604879;1484765111;mats;'accidentally' bombed a refugee camp like usg accidentally bombed a chinese embassy 1604880;1484765132;mircea_popescu;hey, they learned it at harvoxford 1604881;1484765151;asciilifeform;mats: that thing dun load 1604882;1484765173;asciilifeform;redirects to some 'select your state for latest news' nonsense 1604883;1484765253;asciilifeform;iirc (anyone has source?) 1 in 7 b52 built to date, burned down in ~training accidents~ 1604884;1484767200;ben_vulpes;i'm sure the nukes are in fine condition. 1604885;1484767205;ben_vulpes;very convinced. 1604886;1484767218;ben_vulpes;such a simple machine, detonator and compressive charge, how could anyone ever fuck that up. 1604887;1484767686;pete_dushenski;in other flying elephants, https://theconversation.com/why-zimbabwes-use-of-elephants-to-pay-off-old-debt-to-china-is-problematic-70873 1604888;1484767729;mircea_popescu;"we fucked up rhodesia and now the remnant doesn't think so much of us, oh noes" 1604889;1484767817;pete_dushenski;sorta how this works. nth generation libtard prof in kent thinks himself superior to injens, which is ironically just like granpappy 1604890;1484767881;pete_dushenski;that white priviledge is a stubborn stain 1604891;1484768320;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: you'll be pleased to hear that i resurrected cycling season today. +2C and studded winter tires were a combo i couldn't pass up. route that takes 25min in the summer took 35 through the snow and slush. will be trying for once a week going forward, weather permitting. 1604892;1484768379;mircea_popescu;so i just ran a count and among the ~4k or so different names, there's a ! 1604893;1484768449;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-23#430050 << but then, it was scam 1604894;1484768449;a111;Logged on 2013-12-23 15:39 Nick_Szabo: money laundering is a human right! 1604895;1484768518;pete_dushenski;"Hi, Would you be interested in Email List of Toxicology Industry Professionals?" << that's a new spam angle. 1604896;1484768798;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: studded bike tires? 1604897;1484768810;pete_dushenski;oh yes, german ones. 1604898;1484768821;ben_vulpes;seems unnecessary 1604899;1484768834;ben_vulpes;fatties aren't adequate? 1604900;1484768866;ben_vulpes;("i know what this entirely figured-out industrial process needs -- more steps and parts!") 1604901;1484768937;pete_dushenski;just swapped out tires on my normal road/crossover bike. 35mm is pretty narrow. didn't have the stomach for wider rims to accomodate wider tires. anyways, the studs are put to use. 1604902;1484769017;pete_dushenski;to use a mod6ism, it's slick as a minnow's dick out there. 1604903;1484769042;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: on the chains thread, perhaps worth pointing out that this area doesn't salt the roads. 1604904;1484769059;pete_dushenski;o! no gravel either ? 1604905;1484769079;ben_vulpes;nah 1604906;1484769091;ben_vulpes;most people get around in covered wagons anyways, so it's not that big of a deal. 1604907;1484769203;pete_dushenski;$tax all spent on homeless anyways 1604908;1484769227;pete_dushenski;at least this is my impression from reading ch. been a few years since i was in portland 1604909;1484769252;ben_vulpes;what tax, pdx issues bonds and goes into debt just like the big boys 1604910;1484769326;pete_dushenski;i have nfi. assumed you (or landlord) paid prop tax, gas tax, parking ticket tax, whatever else 1604911;1484769397;ben_vulpes;well yes ofc, but the point is that there's no hard coupling between revenues and expenses when the government can simply borrow more. 1604912;1484769458;pete_dushenski;s/$tax/$gov 1604913;1484769521;pete_dushenski;anyways, seems the height of incompetency not to do ~something~ when it snows. shovel, scrape, salt, sand. you've got the four s's right there. pick one. 1604914;1484769741;ben_vulpes;dunno how you got to "portland does nothing" from "no salt or sand". there are plows, they were out. 1604915;1484769763;pete_dushenski;aha 1604916;1484769764;ben_vulpes;moreover i live in clackamas county, where civilized men load the children and whiskey into the trucks and go plow each others streets for fun. 1604917;1484769802;pete_dushenski;that's like, off the grid, man. 1604918;1484769828;ben_vulpes;dependence on the state is cancer of the soul. 1604919;1484769868;pete_dushenski;don't need to tell me, i cashed their paycheques for years. 1604920;1484769905;pete_dushenski;reading journal entries from those years definitely sounds like i can soulcancer. 1604921;1484769915;ben_vulpes;salted roads another subtler check 1604922;1484770040;pete_dushenski;more lulzy spam today, "This is the only available means of communication to me, so I crave your indulgence to kindly read my email and I'll start by introducing my self, my name is Aisha Gaddafi the daughter of Muammar Gaddafi, the deposed and deceased former president of Libya. I am currently residing in Muscat the capital of Oman under political asylum along with my remaining three kids. Copy this 1604923;1484770042;pete_dushenski;wikipedia link and open in a new browser if you care to know more about me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayesha_Gaddafi " 1604924;1484770093;pete_dushenski;does nigerian prince have own entry ? "look, i'm real! my wiki says so!" 1604925;1484770278;ben_vulpes;womens march continues to deliver top lols: http://janetmock.tumblr.com/post/156017232338/womens-march-sex-worker-inclusion 1604926;1484770374;trinque;"I reject the continual erasure of sex workers from our feminisms" << lel 1604927;1484770376;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-scum-and-its-hopes-dreams-and-aspirations-and-their-effects/ << Trilema - The scum ; and its hopes, dreams and aspirations ; and their effects 1604928;1484770544;ben_vulpes;trinque: fwiw, if a girl doesn't at least allow for other women to engage in sex work she can't be called a feminist 1604929;1484770634;trinque;sry my brain stopped processing at "our feminisms" 1604930;1484770672;ben_vulpes;gotta wail together or it doesn't work i guess 1604931;1484770884;mircea_popescu;the "sex work" thing is pretty lulzy. 1604932;1484771802;*;asciilifeform confesses that this is one of the few trilema pieces that he found utterly opaque 1604933;1484771826;asciilifeform;possibly because i find the underlying wank that provoked it, quite mysterious 1604934;1484771900;pete_dushenski;i read it as "no one asked the untermensch what they think, but isn't it funny to get a glimpse inside of what they think they think" (part cccxiv) 1604935;1484771945;trinque;there's this prevalent american myth of the impotent nerd, probably generated by insecure TV/"film" writers in the latter 20th century 1604936;1484771952;asciilifeform;yes but which untermenschen, and what is it that they think. 1604937;1484771983;asciilifeform;trinque: impotent/defeated/despairing folx certainly exist 1604938;1484771997;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: that's like asking "which clump of mud in the mudpit" 1604939;1484772026;pete_dushenski;which is the pecunia non olet bit 1604940;1484772124;pete_dushenski;trinque: and yet that impotent nerd character is 'supermanised' into bill gates, swordfish hackers, and snowden in the same breath. not that i have a model for this duality. 1604941;1484772140;asciilifeform;'supermanised into snowden' ?!!! 1604942;1484772164;ben_vulpes;wasn't the swordfish hacker played up down and sideways? 1604943;1484772169;pete_dushenski;snowden has own official agitprop movie! citizenfour! 1604944;1484772183;trinque;pete_dushenski: I dunno that gates was ever cool, just in "the media" lots. 1604945;1484772192;trinque;guy always seemed like a bed wetter 1604946;1484772203;pete_dushenski;lol well put 1604947;1484772218;asciilifeform;is there a supermanised agitprop movie of martin and mitchell ? 1604948;1484772225;asciilifeform;y'know, the ~original~ snowdens 1604949;1484772236;pete_dushenski;i don't know ? 1604950;1484772259;trinque;60s is too early for this thing 1604951;1484772273;trinque;you've gotta watch 80s trash like Revenge of the Nerds for the genesis 1604952;1484772296;trinque;current generation uses ^ as an excuse for their bottomless laziness 1604953;1484772321;trinque;anything but that she isn't fucking you because, you know, you didn't go over there and fuck 1604954;1484772641;pete_dushenski;hey, mom could've give dude a lift, cut him some slack that his dick's dry as the sahara. 1604955;1484772654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, there's this whole "engineers are beta" thing. 1604956;1484772661;mircea_popescu;which is incomprehensible on the face. 1604957;1484772714;asciilifeform;re m & m, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/lulz/m_and_m.png ( from http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/nsa/75791A.pdf ) >> apparently they considered taking out contract on m & m, but decided not to 1604958;1484772732;mircea_popescu;but basically is merging with an older "niggers are sex fiends" theme of racist thought. so by now it's "good white guys with small dicks being accountants" vs "evil niggers with clubdicks" sorta nonsense 1604959;1484772781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the 'engineers' thing is from the 'dilbertian iconography' where there is class warfare between precisely two types of being, the 'dour engineer' and 'pointy haired boss' 1604960;1484772827;mircea_popescu;no, no, the pointy hair boss isn't in this strip. it's more in the line of "good white boy goes on deployment, meanwhile his derpopotamus falls in the lures of black pimp/drug dealer, lives like her black sistas" 1604961;1484772840;mircea_popescu;which doublessly IS a vein, but which really has naught to do with either power or thought. 1604962;1484773062;asciilifeform;i thought when 'good boy went on deployment,' it is 'rear rat' who fucks his wife 1604963;1484773063;mircea_popescu;i suppose that's actually the demographic underlying the conceptual oddity, "red pill" subculture is mostly low wage rural whites, who work for a highway diner, go in afghanistan, etc. 1604964;1484773066;asciilifeform;or is this yet different movie. 1604965;1484773124;mircea_popescu;it's becoming quite evidently a poor-white-vs-poor-black dynamic, now that i think of it. "engineer" is there in the sense "ceo" is there in soap operas as the symbolic job of the husband. not like he ever does any ceo-ish things. 1604966;1484773154;mircea_popescu;apparently "the red pill" is the knownothing society of 2000s. 1604967;1484773301;mircea_popescu;in which perspective, "evolutionary biology & game theory" woo is the eugenics of 2000s. 1604968;1484773561;mircea_popescu;(how the fuck anyone even marginally conversant in the respective topics manages to wade through the bullshit is anyone's guess. but somehow a concept for group role in evolutionary biology became a brand of identity in "evolutionary biology", and we're all speaking of "alphas" and "betas" as if these are a thing, a brunette, a beta. i guess in a very postmodern cartoonish sense they are. aanyway.) 1604969;1484774727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was actually the part i found to be the puzzler -- who exactly are these. 1604970;1484774737;asciilifeform;there does not seem to be a consistent definition in use. 1604971;1484775802;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, https://triton.quarkslab.com/documentation/doxygen/py_ast_page.html << possibly spiffy, i have not tried 1604972;1484775851;asciilifeform;https://triton.quarkslab.com/documentation/doxygen/solver_interface_page.html << sexpr version 1604973;1484776797;asciilifeform;in other noose, first freight train from china arrives in london, http://tass.ru/ekonomika/3950122 . 1604974;1484776955;ben_vulpes;that feel when your html renders just fine in lynx but chrome makes an unspeakable nightmare of it 1604975;1484777418;asciilifeform;and in yet-other noose, last d00d who walked the moon, reported dead. 1604976;1484779545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which these ? 1604977;1484779947;asciilifeform;'alphas' etc. 1604978;1484780252;mircea_popescu;well, a whore is the sexually active girl who won't fuck you ; and the alpha is the dude she'll fuck in preference. i'm pretty sure that's the extent of the common ground, ie, the "community" definition. 1604979;1484780742;asciilifeform;'whore' must mean 'won't fuck you' on some other planet..? 1604980;1484780797;mircea_popescu;well this is altogether another planet. 1604981;1484781728;shinohai;Lol Roger Ver got suspended from reddit 1604982;1484781758;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/user/memorydealers 1604983;1484782230;mircea_popescu;for censorsheep ? 1604984;1484783789;BingoBoingo;Prolly for brigading 1604985;1484783929;shinohai;Doxxing 1604986;1484783948;shinohai;gah doble `x` 1604987;1484783972;mircea_popescu;don't tell me he had a dispute over who's paying for the two slices of pizza with some other captain of industry and ended up going into the blockchain.info admin interface all over again 1604988;1484784047;shinohai;Best I can tell he posted a link to theymos' personal info 1604989;1484784065;shinohai;Which I freely posted 4 weeks ago and nothing happened. 1604990;1484784537;mircea_popescu;heh mkay. 1604991;1484784559;*;mircea_popescu vaguely recalls blowing the dude's "cover" sometime in 2013 or w/e that glbse shares scam happened. 1604992;1484784568;mircea_popescu;not like it was secret or anything 1604993;1484784574;thestringpuller;that was 2012 1604994;1484784578;thestringpuller;don't get senile on us 1604995;1484784582;mircea_popescu;aok 1604996;1484784603;mircea_popescu;dude, you have no idea, i was looking at trilema article earlier and had nfi what it's supposed to be, even. 1604997;1484784658;mircea_popescu;http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/how-not-to-depict-trump-wave-feminism/Content?oid=6423315 << in other buttlulz 1604998;1484784662;mircea_popescu;latinx women!!! 1604999;1484785548;mircea_popescu;oh and in other "people form the future : the next generation" http://d2vepvd49xw1a6.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/02071929/brian-dean-1.png 1605000;1484785632;shinohai;Why does it irk me when people wear tshirts with blazers or suit coats. 1605001;1484785658;mircea_popescu;well it's more like a burlap thing... call it a burlacket ? 1605002;1484785658;thestringpuller;he looks liek a gooback -> http://www.humanitysucks.com/blog/files/SP_goobacks.jpg 1605003;1484785708;mircea_popescu;anyway, no, dude's just new (post web 2.0) generation "seo expert" etc. 1605004;1484785795;mircea_popescu;which kinda makes me suspect the whole field's ripe for a generation change. "feminism" is certainly shattered post trump, so it looks like there may be a 6th wave brewing. and the 2nd generation seo dorks who came online with the "social media" revolution and web 2.0 idiocies are mostly falling back into regular jobs and boring marital arrangements so there's a void, to be filled. 1605005;1484785806;mircea_popescu;by people who do a lot of couch surfing and type on tablets. 1605006;1484785839;thestringpuller;all the SEO people I know ended up going into machine learning 1605007;1484785872;thestringpuller;only the girls end up fucking with google analytics in their 30s 1605008;1484785877;mircea_popescu;anyway, as far as "online web industry" is concerned, definite signs of a trumpocalypse. sort-of how there was a pre fdr and a post fdr or a pre lincoln and post lincoln america ; there's going to be i suspect a pre-trump and a post-trump web 1605009;1484786500;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: "During the manufacturing process, a unique set of keys are generated and stored in the processor’s fuse array. One of these fuse keys is not known by Intel and is one of the components used to form the basis for consistent derivation of subsequent sealing keys." << in other snorefest. "Unknown" to Intel during manufacturing...uh huh... 1605010;1484793071;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131574.msg1408985#msg1408985 "Some kind of blockchain recording everyone's trustworthyness would be an interesting tool to try to develop." 1605011;1484793406;mircea_popescu;lmao 1605012;1484793429;mircea_popescu;thanks god for tardstalk idea men, where'd we be without 'em 1605013;1484793516;thestringpuller;shinohai: a VER-ified trust store? 1605014;1484793560;shinohai;I was looking into that time when Ver doxed the guy over (at the time) $50 and found that gem 1605015;1484794422;*;asciilifeform under voodoo curse; 50-year-old genuine feature pillow finally detonated in the wash, made for 2+hrs of wetvac, and 'where the fuck do i get one of ~these~' experience 1605016;1484794429;asciilifeform;*feather pillow 1605017;1484794494;*;shinohai says nothing about the cat at midnite again 1605018;1484794503;asciilifeform;lel 1605019;1484794542;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: dunno if helps. but recently invested in tempurpedic-like pillow due to sleep issues. neck support made a difference. 1605020;1484794550;thestringpuller;altho most don't want to spend $200 on pillow 1605021;1484794558;asciilifeform;ick no american synthetic turdolade plox. 1605022;1484794722;shinohai;I bought a down pillow at JCPenny but has been a bit 1605023;1484794728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform buy a coupla live ducks and oranges. make pekin duck and new pillows. 1605024;1484794740;shinohai;^ 1605025;1484794749;asciilifeform;i might have to use mircea_popescu's method. but it will take thousand years, because my proper pillow had 0 feather stems. 1605026;1484794760;mircea_popescu;you pick the down not the feathers eh. 1605027;1484794767;asciilifeform;tell this to the americans. 1605028;1484794774;asciilifeform;who happily sell ~with stems~ 1605029;1484794785;mircea_popescu;i think they use a mechanic plucker, ~beat carcass with sticks 1605030;1484794799;asciilifeform;btw mine was made of chicken. 1605031;1484794804;asciilifeform;by hand. by great-grandparents. 1605032;1484794810;mircea_popescu;ah that's bs. virtually no down on chickens. 1605033;1484794823;mircea_popescu;also shittier down by a LONG shot 1605034;1484794828;asciilifeform;was ~just right~ consistency though, and didn't feel like roasting in own juices from the sheer thermal insulation power 1605035;1484794837;asciilifeform;had exactly ideal conductivity. 1605036;1484794846;mircea_popescu;well then may i recomend a tardis. 1605037;1484794853;asciilifeform;this is ftr the WORST possible kind of tech, which is why i even mention it here: 1605038;1484794860;asciilifeform;1) finite mtbf 2) no replacement possible. 1605039;1484794879;asciilifeform;like one's own motherfucking body. 1605040;1484794896;asciilifeform;'be smart, don't start' (tm) (r) 1605041;1484794903;mircea_popescu;body very replaceable, just unscrew the head. 1605042;1484794932;shinohai;I saw that on trilema, so I know it's possible. 1605043;1484794946;mircea_popescu;it's an old leisure suit larry idea. I SAW THE FACTORY 1605044;1484795101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://youtu.be/BFZgOK4KIsQ?t=5m << aaaactually this came first!! 1605045;1484795109;asciilifeform;the canonical head-lightbulb in my head. 1605046;1484795147;mircea_popescu;that doesn't really look like it's earlier than the lslilll 1605047;1484795153;asciilifeform;1978. 1605048;1484795164;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, the characters look like ripoffs of lucky luke antagonists) 1605049;1484795191;mircea_popescu;did they have that in ru ? 1605050;1484795199;asciilifeform;the thing was massively multilayer lampoon of various cultural gibblets 1605051;1484795231;asciilifeform;and i never saw 'luke', but it looks neato. 1605052;1484795239;mircea_popescu;ancient, 60s belgian thing 1605053;1484795251;mircea_popescu;also similarily palimpsest of reference 1605054;1484795256;asciilifeform;yeah i can see it. 1605055;1484795260;*;asciilifeform puts on list. 1605056;1484795305;mircea_popescu;some crossover with tintin, but meh. the great us equivalent would be i guess popeye 1605057;1484795313;mircea_popescu;(the newspaper edition, not the bastardized tv version) 1605058;1484795461;mircea_popescu;incidentally : the 80s 37yo virgin never killed anyone. just wore his disco suit and applied himself. 1605059;1484798554;BingoBoingo; ick no american synthetic turdolade plox. << AHA, you've had your fill of polyurethane foam? How much still adheres to the hands? 1605060;1484799842;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: some 1605061;1484800290;BingoBoingo;Perhaps time to debride again? 1605062;1484801095;asciilifeform;eh 1605063;1484801337;BingoBoingo;Used to it? Attached? 1605064;1484801361;asciilifeform;nah, but i work with hands enough that it comes off. 1605065;1484806316;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602666 << some very early, news to report: I've successfully implemented this fix into the forthcoming version of V (99994), and all original and new automated tests passed. 1605066;1484806316;a111;Logged on 2017-01-14 01:07 mircea_popescu: a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present 1605067;1484806363;mod6;There's still a bunch more clean up and testing ahead, but a step in the right direction. o7 1605068;1484806661;ben_vulpes;cool, mod6 1605069;1484809064;ben_vulpes;http://www.wilfred.me.uk/blog/2017/01/11/announcing-remacs-porting-emacs-to-rust/ 1605070;1484822195;mircea_popescu;is this good for rustcoin ? 1605071;1484822298;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDC31CFD58561A297361FFB673C672306507F014E8422D13821815642064DD42 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 48159739175968624148092767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christoph Giesel ; ' 1605072;1484823553;mircea_popescu;mod6 nice. 1605073;1484826210;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/garond-a-murit/ << apropos of nothing at all, anyone else kill garond ? 1605074;1484839478;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605069 << so now we know which tumour has been chosen to kill emacs with. 1605075;1484839478;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 06:57 ben_vulpes: http://www.wilfred.me.uk/blog/2017/01/11/announcing-remacs-porting-emacs-to-rust/ 1605076;1484839496;asciilifeform;'If you’d like to join us, there’s plenty to do. You could: Port a small C function in lisp.h to lisp.rs. Port your favourite built-in elisp function to Rust.' 1605077;1484839516;asciilifeform;and before long, it will be impossible to actually get normal-people emacs running on any typical os. 1605078;1484839569;asciilifeform;'We can leverage the rapidly-growing crate ecosystem. We can drop support legacy compilers and platforms (looking at you, MS-DOS).' 1605079;1484839589;asciilifeform;turns out -- the fungus is in full bloom. 1605080;1484840987;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605077 << mostly for lack of actual people. 1605081;1484840987;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 15:25 asciilifeform: and before long, it will be impossible to actually get normal-people emacs running on any typical os. 1605082;1484841035;asciilifeform;noshit, fungus dun grow on healthy tissue 1605083;1484841141;trinque;gotta just stop; I'm never installing another emacs version again 1605084;1484841257;asciilifeform;trinque: recall, the drepperites are getting ready to break glibc so that no moar clasical emacs. 1605085;1484841279;asciilifeform;which means living on specially-terraformed planet, if you want it to work. 1605086;1484841301;trinque;I built on musl lots of times before 1605087;1484841302;mircea_popescu;glibc is already frozen pre 5 1605088;1484841319;mircea_popescu;well, gcc i mean 1605089;1484841381;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592090 << thread 1605090;1484841381;a111;Logged on 2016-12-28 19:23 mircea_popescu: which i suppose warrants a general warning : DO NOT UPGRADE YOUR GCC TO 5.0! SAVE YOUR COPIES OF 4.X AND PRIOR! 1605091;1484841433;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "leverage ecosystem" ie, "someone else will do our work for us" is very much usg.dos style, but also very much hopeless. seriously, they'll leverage ? 1605092;1484841446;mircea_popescu;turns out i can bit mit with one hand while watching porn. they'll leverage what, they got nothing. 1605093;1484841488;mircea_popescu;der angriff steiners war ein befehl!!1 1605094;1484841575;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the weevils do in fact leverage one another's weeviling. 1605095;1484841602;phf;seems like freenode upgraded all their servers to letsencrypt, meaning that you can't just verify ssl's fingerprint once a year. instead each server has own ssl, updated once in 90 days. 1605096;1484841619;mircea_popescu;you understand nothing they leveraged works ? they ain't got a browser. google is trying to rescue 20 years of weveling with dubious results. there's no python 3. there's no ipv6. there's no trb. there's no eth. there's nothing. NOTHING. 1605097;1484841643;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'works' ain't their objective. area denial, is. 1605098;1484841667;mircea_popescu;problem being girls going "you can't go in here" only works on the other girls. 1605099;1484841731;asciilifeform;phf: fleanode's 'security' was a joke afaik always. 1605100;1484841764;mircea_popescu;phf it's entirely unclear what ssl is supposed to provide. it might have been of marginal utility prior to their nsa merger, but these days it's utter waste of time. treat all freenode connections as plaintext. 1605101;1484841784;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/college-student-pleads-guilty-developing-malicious-software 1605102;1484841794;asciilifeform;'According to the statement of facts filed with the plea agreement, Shames developed malicious software, known as a keylogger' 1605103;1484841829;mircea_popescu;"sold to 3k users who used it on 16k victims" dude... 1605104;1484841893;trinque;3k sales and he couldn't pay for a semi-literate lawyer ? 1605105;1484841924;asciilifeform;in related lulz, https://archive.is/P9ZHt << krebs is back to doing what he was made for, elaborate witch-hunting for usg handlers 1605106;1484841988;mircea_popescu;trinque "sales" here means usg sops style nothing, like obamacare isn't a tax. his thing was mentioned once on a forum with 3k "registered users". 1605107;1484842131;trinque;these creatures must want to sign the papers. 1605108;1484842143;mircea_popescu;hey, it's how you get the ssi rite ? 1605109;1484842186;trinque;and you get to be an elite renegade hacker on the dole, no less 1605110;1484842192;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1605111;1484842373;mircea_popescu;anyway, so krebs has sob story about how republic successfuly denies empire comms ; and wants to add some sort of "but we pay to house some random bums for the rest of their lives so it's all ok" 1605112;1484842379;mircea_popescu;if you believe this is how it works, all the better. 1605113;1484843155;thestringpuller;trinque: good lawyer is hard to find too. 1605114;1484843240;phf;in unrelated lulz a u.s. retail bank is unable to send an international wire transfer. i bring a piece of paper with all correct requisites. half the numbers "i don't know what this number is", so follow up with calls for numbers from the fucking paper that, who could've predicted, are required. write down the numbers on their end incorrectly. the last part of saga: they now claim one of the numbers is invalid, but if you simply google for it it comes up 1605115;1484843240;phf; as a valid ifsc 1605116;1484843318;mircea_popescu;yep. usg banks won't do intl wires, for a decade+ now 1605117;1484843336;mircea_popescu;they very transparently pretend ineptitude, but it's pretty clearly fed instructions. 1605118;1484843684;mircea_popescu;(and if you try to drive cash to mexico they'll try and steal it ; and if you eg open a foreign corp with a subsidiary in the us and send the money home they'll pretend you're engaging in money laundering, and in general expatriating your wealth is generally more difficult than it's worth, which is why sane people do not live in the us.) 1605119;1484843715;mircea_popescu;also why eg apple doesn't wire to new york the proceeds of sales in paris. 1605120;1484843870;mircea_popescu;conversely of course, every dollar you do take out of the us hurts the usg considerably ; i'd guess the going rate is 130k expatriated is about equivalent to shooting a nypd officer in the face. 1605121;1484843872;mircea_popescu;about there. 1605122;1484844132;phf;hmm 1605123;1484844267;phf;might just have to fall back to cash, i was trying to be prim and proper, alas 1605124;1484844269;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605116 << worked great last i tried it ( 2013 ) 1605125;1484844269;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 16:28 mircea_popescu: yep. usg banks won't do intl wires, for a decade+ now 1605126;1484844296;asciilifeform;but i was sending small (few $k usd) amount. 1605127;1484844325;mircea_popescu;well supposedly in moscow there also lived a fellow who always found fish at the meat shop and to this day has nfi what everyone was on about. 1605128;1484844347;asciilifeform;note, i will not claim that there is necessarily still fish at that particular meat shop. 1605129;1484844364;asciilifeform;or would have been if the planets had been aligned differently, etc. 1605130;1484844385;mircea_popescu;incidentally this'd have been a great show, i imagine, guy going on street idly, happening on meat shop just as the truck unloads, and generally doing a grand blond a la chaussure noire but a la russe. 1605131;1484844387;mircea_popescu;did this exist ? 1605132;1484844420;asciilifeform;not afaik, but perhaps phf saw such a thing. 1605133;1484844430;mircea_popescu;Mr. Serendipivse 1605134;1484844449;asciilifeform;lel 1605135;1484844467;mircea_popescu;almost sounds georgian neh ? 1605136;1484844482;mircea_popescu;which yes, subtext :D how did you call these ? they were sopirle in romanian 1605137;1484844484;mircea_popescu;ie lizards. 1605138;1484845294;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1Mfa3YXAAEpmGy.jpg << relatedly. 1605139;1484845403;phf;so i called the new branch of the bank i'm transferring to, they confirmed the ifsc number. i'm not sure what i prefer, the fed theory or the incompetence theory. either... 1605140;1484845409;phf;*new york branch 1605141;1484845454;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/stOV3 << in other olds >> elaborate yarn re 'mysterious' habit of u.s. soldiers, of bashing in the heads of killed goatfuckers. presented as 'atrocious' and 'senseless' etc. and i read whole spittoon waiting for the obvious reason to be mentioned, and of course was not (ground beed the face, and you dun need to worry whether you executed the hit on exactly the right d00d..) 1605142;1484845470;asciilifeform;*beef 1605143;1484845547;asciilifeform;lulzy, they even issued little axes for this work. 1605144;1484845559;asciilifeform;(avoid wasting ammo) 1605145;1484845622;phf;i thought little axes were standard issue item, sort of like a sapper spade 1605146;1484845701;asciilifeform;claims -- not 1605147;1484845711;asciilifeform;(certainly not in regular infantry) 1605148;1484846162;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque re: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605086 >> plz consider posting recipe for musltronic emacs build! i promise to test. 1605149;1484846162;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 15:55 trinque: I built on musl lots of times before 1605150;1484846162;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1605151;1484846206;asciilifeform;(iirc all versions of emacs from past decade or so have some kind of perverse hardcoded reliance on glibc in particular) 1605152;1484846215;phf;did anybody do a musl sbcl? i have a musl cmucl in the backlog, but way down the list (perhaps once i get this x60 going) 1605153;1484846245;asciilifeform;phf: not afaik 1605154;1484846254;asciilifeform;... what does the thing even ~need~ libc for?! 1605155;1484846266;asciilifeform;(i can clearly see that my copy is linked with it. but -- why?) 1605156;1484846279;phf;sb-unix 1605157;1484846284;asciilifeform;aah 1605158;1484846306;asciilifeform;does it follow that libc can be omitted entirely if one nixes sb-unix ? 1605159;1484846310;phf;but i think sb-unix exposes some kernel level shit, because need it for reading files and exec and such 1605160;1484846326;asciilifeform;hm ok 1605161;1484846352;asciilifeform;all of the crud that will have to be rewritten on (hypothetical) sbcl-on-iron, conveniently. 1605162;1484846392;asciilifeform;phf: would you say that cmucl is more suited for 'iron' incarnation? (i.e., can it be build without gcc?) 1605163;1484846395;asciilifeform;*built 1605164;1484846417;phf;so i don't know how sbcl does it, but cmucl has unix.lisp, which kernel relies on early on in the operation, and yes, contains all the "talk to the world" crud. cmucl actually does some hack where only subset of unix is used for operations and then when you (require unix) it adds some of the userspace 1605165;1484846447;trinque;phf: the gentoo musl overlay has sbcl patches iirc. gotta forgo threads 1605166;1484846458;phf;there's was a wip fork of making linux-unix.lisp talk directly using syscalls without libc. that's probably lowest common denominator 1605167;1484846475;asciilifeform;trinque: pretty strange, because threads work fine in musltronic trb 1605168;1484846509;phf;who knows with threads, i wouldn't be surprised if sbcl touches them in very inappropriate, glibc specific ways 1605169;1484846554;phf;one of the major reasons why porting cmucl might be easier, a lot more naive image construction (doesn't have that whole sb! sb- machinery), and lack of threads 1605170;1484846566;phf;*porting cmucl to raw iron 1605171;1484846582;*;asciilifeform can picture this. 1605172;1484846603;asciilifeform;traditional headaches turn to wins, the fewer 'native xyz...' the better, for iron. 1605173;1484846661;phf;cmucl is basically a very straightforward lisp machine port, so there's less unixisms built in. sbcl is modernized for unix, but with corresponding tradeoffs 1605174;1484846666;asciilifeform;incidentally imho traditional unix-style scheduler is not appropriate for 'x86 iron lisps' 1605175;1484846680;asciilifeform;instead ought to simply have 1 permanently-running instance of the runtime per cpu core 1605176;1484846694;asciilifeform;with some means of communication between. 1605177;1484846734;asciilifeform;phf: did you ever expand on why your gadget crashed daily when it sat on top of cmucl ? 1605178;1484846739;asciilifeform;was it a unixism ? 1605179;1484846812;phf;well, you were right, it's the lack of threads. you can't build for cmucl green threads like it's native. 1605180;1484846875;asciilifeform;this i recall. but didja ever find out specifically why. 1605181;1484846892;asciilifeform;as in, 'the locking system is defective in yet-undiscovered way, proggy fandangoes over own toes' 1605182;1484846905;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605148 << https://cgit.gentoo.org/proj/musl.git/tree/app-editors/emacs/files << without claims to the sanity of anything done 1605183;1484846905;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 17:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque re: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605086 >> plz consider posting recipe for musltronic emacs build! i promise to test. 1605184;1484846926;asciilifeform;ty trinque ! 1605185;1484846935;phf;no, i 1605186;1484846939;asciilifeform;trinque: you tested, worx? also on x11 ? 1605187;1484846970;asciilifeform;also it does seem to insist on dynamic linking. 1605188;1484846981;phf;no, i'm not that far in the stack to tackle threading. because of goals, if i do, or once i do rather, i'll just work on making them better green threads, rather than native. 1605189;1484847007;asciilifeform;phf: well yes, 'metal' cmucl would need own scheduler regardless. 1605190;1484847037;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah works; I had it built against gtk2, -dbus, etc 1605191;1484847044;asciilifeform;trinque: pretty neat. 1605192;1484847069;asciilifeform;seems like a fully-musltronic, work-ready linux is possible, then. 1605193;1484847117;asciilifeform;emacs, gcc4.9+gnat, build tools, trb, kernel. 1605194;1484847132;phf;well, stali has a musltronic pdf reader and web (they have their own wrapper around webkit, called st i believe, which is literally just a frame with addressbar) 1605195;1484847146;asciilifeform;(then perhaps some luxuries, e.g., 'midnight'. then x11 and ratpoison. is pretty much all. 1605196;1484847147;asciilifeform;) 1605197;1484847167;asciilifeform;phf: webkit builds musltronically?! 1605198;1484847265;phf;re cmucl threads i think that it doesn't always preempt correctly. like it has explicit yield, which you don't always have to call, but it being there implies. also hunchentoot wasn't working right without putting a yield somewhere in the scheduler. it's all very vague, because i've not spend any time looking at it 1605199;1484847298;asciilifeform;sounds gnarly 1605200;1484847361;phf;there's some strategy in building multithreading in a lisp that all the commercial lisps share with cmucl and that's different from sbcl, but i'm not quite sure what it is yet 1605201;1484847400;asciilifeform;imho this is one of those things that will have to be demolished ~100% and rebuilt from scratch , for any reasonable 'metallization' 1605202;1484847496;asciilifeform;also (and iirc i discussed this on my www at one point) the correct approach is to ditch the native compiler, in favour of the interpreter, hand-compiled to fit in L0 cache 1605203;1484847507;asciilifeform;then thing has a chance of working correctly. 1605204;1484847557;phf;so cmucl introduced this whole idea of vops (virtual operation) 1605205;1484847595;asciilifeform;these are just asm macros neh ? 1605206;1484847610;asciilifeform;or is it 'bytecode' a la tinyscheme? 1605207;1484847619;phf;it's sort of "writing assembly with sexp", but really it's an abstraction layer for what used to be microcoding 1605208;1484847693;phf;so cmucl's compiler interleaves vops, while cmucl's interpreter uses vops as bytecode instructions 1605209;1484847712;asciilifeform;interleaves forth-style ? 1605210;1484847813;phf;well, that's not the right term to use. depending on a vop it either jmps, calls or inlines 1605211;1484847924;asciilifeform;so liquishit 1605212;1484847952;asciilifeform;(this imho is quite sorry state, you oughta be able to go from the executable TO the lisp representation without ANY info loss) 1605213;1484847967;asciilifeform;and -- necessarily -- vice-versa. 1605214;1484848000;phf;so eval directly on source, without a vm even? 1605215;1484848028;asciilifeform;not necessarily, though it is one way of achieving this. 1605216;1484848077;phf;actually it's all a lot more clearer when you read the early cmucl papers. the mess grew in unix user space.. 1605217;1484848144;phf;you could maybe put cmucl's interpreter vm into l0, have vops as operations that you need but that you don't have in a vm (simd, floating point) 1605218;1484848188;asciilifeform;the two major caltrops re 'iron lisps on x86' are 1) interrupts 2) dma 1605219;1484848199;asciilifeform;they both violate whatever sane execution model you pick 1605220;1484848232;phf;right 1605221;1484848317;phf;fit cadr interpreter into l0 :P 1605222;1484848330;asciilifeform;sorta what asciilifeform tried to do (then barfed.) 1605223;1484848379;thestringpuller;http://visual6502.org/ 1605224;1484848388;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: linked in the logs. 1605225;1484848409;thestringpuller;#!s http://visual6502.org 1605226;1484848417;thestringpuller;!#s http://visual6502.org 1605227;1484848417;a111;4 results for "http://visual6502.org", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fvisual6502.org 1605228;1484848446;thestringpuller;btcbase search didn't show it from browser. weird. 1605229;1484848490;phf;thestringpuller: which string did you use originally? 1605230;1484848542;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fvisual6502.org%2F << that one 1605231;1484848552;thestringpuller;that trailing slash >> http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fvisual6502.org 1605232;1484848584;phf;hah 1605233;1484848660;*;trinque quite interested to hear why asciilifeform barfed 1605234;1484848682;asciilifeform;trinque: tldr: interrupts and dma. 1605235;1484848749;trinque;ah ok, thoughts were connected 1605236;1484848893;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605192 << this wouldn't hurt anything. 1605237;1484848893;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 17:31 asciilifeform: seems like a fully-musltronic, work-ready linux is possible, then. 1605238;1484848979;asciilifeform;trinque: i must note: just because asciilifeform barfed, does not mean that a clean solution to the problem cannot exist. only that he did not find one. 1605239;1484848980;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605206 << i always thought that's what yarvin was john smithing with his "jets" 1605240;1484848980;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 17:40 asciilifeform: or is it 'bytecode' a la tinyscheme? 1605241;1484849011;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nah, 'jets' were a terrifying crackpottery where he promised to 'recognize algorithms' and 'transparently' substitute in optimized/c-tronic routines 1605242;1484849028;mircea_popescu;yes but started (at least i think) as vops. 1605243;1484849067;asciilifeform;well ~all interpreted programming languages use 'bytecode' or some variant (i.e. emulator for fictional cpu that fits the task) 1605244;1484849080;asciilifeform;e.g., perl, python, tinyscheme, many forths 1605245;1484849110;mircea_popescu;aha 1605246;1484849126;asciilifeform;name 'bytecode' simply came about because making the opcodes 1 octet long is convenient 1605247;1484849175;asciilifeform;(yet unpublished) 'p' is a 'bytecode' system -- all ops are 1 byte long, and take no operands, and all bytes are valid ops. 1605248;1484849198;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605218 << actually non-interrupt / non-dma (and possibly tagged ram) is about the reason to make own fpga cpu 1605249;1484849198;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 17:49 asciilifeform: the two major caltrops re 'iron lisps on x86' are 1) interrupts 2) dma 1605250;1484849207;asciilifeform;well yes. 1605251;1484849207;mircea_popescu;interrupts ffs. wtf. 1605252;1484849209;asciilifeform;is how i got there. 1605253;1484849213;mircea_popescu;aha. 1605254;1484849229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i figured re p when i saw your padder attempt. 1605255;1484849233;asciilifeform;interrupts, dma, are relics from dark age when there was 1 cpu and it cost most of what the machine cost. 1605256;1484849265;asciilifeform;they make it possible to actually do any work on von neumann monstrosity. 1605257;1484849287;asciilifeform;at the cost of destroying whatever conceptual integrity machine might otherwise have. 1605258;1484849309;asciilifeform;(instead of 1 model of computation, you now have 3 -- that you know about. plus others, unwanted, resulting from interactions b/w the 3.) 1605259;1484849310;mircea_popescu;oh and also - automated ring buffer allocation. if you declare 8 bytes and write 9, you overwrite your first. YOUR first. not someone else's. 1605260;1484849330;mircea_popescu;which'd be interesting if all pointers live as mod math. 1605261;1484849359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ada's 'modular types' come to mind 1605262;1484849370;mircea_popescu;yep. but cpu-enforced, all memory allocation is that. 1605263;1484849394;mircea_popescu;your pointer is 0x88faf0:0a and god help you, if you wish to write 500 bytes in there all the better. 1605264;1484849403;mircea_popescu;you'll be left with the last 10 1605265;1484849407;asciilifeform;holy fuq why would you give the operator raw pointers. 1605266;1484849411;asciilifeform;why not also raw voltages. 1605267;1484849444;mircea_popescu;at some point raw pointers must be given to someone 1605268;1484849455;mircea_popescu;not necessarily operator, but also none of the current straight on addressing bs. 1605269;1484849467;mircea_popescu;cpu can not address memory in the sense of "from here to eternity". 1605270;1484849500;mircea_popescu;cpu can only address memory if the correct size (0a) is provided for 0x88faf0. 1605271;1484849519;asciilifeform;how cpu physically moves the bits, is quite separate question from what operator thinks about. 1605272;1484849540;mircea_popescu;yah, but i want this quite exactly, for it to not be POSSIBLE for memory to be addressed as it currently is. 1605273;1484849559;mircea_popescu;ie "i want to read from x onwards". 1605274;1484849573;mircea_popescu;it must not be possible to read from x unless you correctly specify the ring size. 1605275;1484849584;asciilifeform;the simplest way to do this using current off-the-shelf hardware is to not expose the pointers. 1605276;1484849590;mircea_popescu;promise. 1605277;1484849596;asciilifeform;aha, and know why ? 1605278;1484849602;mircea_popescu;i want the cpu to not be physically capable of addressing it. 1605279;1484849604;asciilifeform;because peripherals . 1605280;1484849608;mircea_popescu;fuck peripherals. 1605281;1484849653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for so long as memory is sold as a dumb capacitor grid, cpu can necessarily address all of it (that is, all of the connected ones) 1605282;1484849666;asciilifeform;but if you had something clever in mind, around this, i'm all ears 1605283;1484849675;mircea_popescu;that doesn't mean the cpu die must be cast in such a way as to allow anyone else to do it. 1605284;1484849695;asciilifeform;'anyone else' being operator ? 1605285;1484849697;mircea_popescu;if you fail to provide the buffer size, cpu reads 0 bits from address specified. 1605286;1484849710;mircea_popescu;if you provide buffer size, and it is the correct buffer size for offset, you can read that many bits. 1605287;1484849717;mircea_popescu;if it is incorrect, you read 0 bits. 1605288;1484849719;mircea_popescu;same for writingt. 1605289;1484849769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in sane programming system (e.g., lisps) nobody gets to point to 'memory address'. they point to an item that necessarily and unseparably carries not only address (not visible to or alterable by the operator, normally) but also a type and -- when the thing is >1 machine word in size -- a size. 1605290;1484849779;mircea_popescu;yes but that's an os. 1605291;1484849792;asciilifeform;on a proper lispm (definitionally) it is done by the iron. 1605292;1484849794;mircea_popescu;i don't want the functionality exposed. 1605293;1484849805;asciilifeform;aha so mircea_popescu is simply asking for lispm, lol. 1605294;1484849809;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1605295;1484849812;asciilifeform;i don't disagree. 1605296;1484849814;mircea_popescu;if it actually does that. 1605297;1484849833;mircea_popescu;i suppose its tagged memory model does pretty much a superclass of the above 1605298;1484849835;asciilifeform;it did, though not in the peculiar 'stick shift' way described by mircea_popescu earlier 1605299;1484849840;mircea_popescu;yeah 1605300;1484849855;mircea_popescu;i don't insist re implementation ; was just included as example 1605301;1484849917;mircea_popescu;anyway. all pointer references to read must be offset:size or no dice ; all pointer references to write may be offset, and will write mod size ; all pointer allocation specifies size and receives offset. 1605302;1484849976;mircea_popescu;and literally &p:sizeof(p*) calls throughout all c, none of this current bs. 1605303;1484849998;asciilifeform;on a proper lispmtronic comp, there is no juggling of 'pointers' or any other naked, unannotated bitstrings. 1605304;1484850014;mircea_popescu;i imagine it prolly also works. ianale 1605305;1484850035;asciilifeform;if cpu wants to move, add, subtract, etc. a bitstring, it has a length glued to it, and a type (that indicates, among other things, what it means to 'add' it, say), also glued to it. 1605306;1484850108;mircea_popescu;yeah and then interpreter bitches if wrong types, so it catches size issues by default. 1605307;1484850135;mircea_popescu;my model is... well, aptly put, stick shift. ie, even if dudes wanna bitch about lisp, because "c is faster", the above STILL APPLIES 1605308;1484850333;*;asciilifeform mutters something about naggum's bathtub catapult 1605309;1484850395;mircea_popescu;i must say candi_lustt made it obvious lisp is workable development. way the fuck faster than figuring out which stdio to include and dumb shit like that 1605310;1484850415;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and picture if it had been on your actual comp. 1605311;1484850428;asciilifeform;(instead of uploading proggy repeatedly and waiting for output) 1605312;1484850429;mircea_popescu;pic related : http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-01-18.log.html#t22:58:43 and whole discussion 1605313;1484850441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i liked that part. 1605314;1484850464;mircea_popescu;but this may just be me. 1605315;1484850478;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'd get quite painful for a large proggy. 1605316;1484850495;mircea_popescu;large teams, small programs. not the other fucking way around. 1605317;1484850526;mircea_popescu;good brothel = many whores, small building. not vice-versa. that's called "beachfront property". 1605318;1484850643;mircea_popescu;incidentally, if the various dreppers etcs actually had any friends, the whole rot wouldn't exist in the first place. 1605319;1484850665;mircea_popescu;it's quite evident from their gestalt they're coding with flashlight under the covers. 1605320;1484850693;asciilifeform;maggots dun have plans, or objectives, they simply eat. 1605321;1484850738;trinque;nah, the idea that these guys are using this as a substitute for healthy human interaction is spot on. 1605322;1484850750;trinque;see the conferences, "social coding", hackathons, etc 1605323;1484850754;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1605324;1484850762;mircea_popescu;"i'll get everyone to do X!" 1605325;1484850776;mircea_popescu;dude... just get everyone to show up saturday night already, nevermind this dumb shit. buy some wine. 1605326;1484850820;mircea_popescu;"i'm so terrifying of talking to that cute wallflower i'ma revolutionize the $name like $name for $name instead!11" 1605327;1484850888;mircea_popescu;and in scandalous coincidence : me puts on pair of pants, at 3:30 pm. sticks hand in left pocket, out comes condom wrapper. sticks hand in right, out comes... different condom wrapper. 1605328;1484850899;mircea_popescu;i guess i haven't worn these since i was last on roof. 1605329;1484850952;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu ends up with DShK shells in pockets when comes back from roof. 1605330;1484851810;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605315 << yet shouldn't be overlooked that several folks came to play immediately when there was a shared repl available 1605331;1484851810;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 18:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd get quite painful for a large proggy. 1605332;1484851829;trinque;it made an arena. good people like those. 1605333;1484851856;trinque;and aside all other bullshit uses of "social coding", that ~was~ 1605334;1484851905;trinque;one can see what was useful in the experiment and not get fixated on the particular implementation 1605335;1484852164;*;trinque has had plenty of good coding afternoons where one person drove keyboard and >=1 others hollered and pointed 1605336;1484852276;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/tim-draper-theranos-targeted-by-conspiracy/ << Qntra - Tim Draper: Theranos Targeted By "Conspiracy" 1605337;1484853422;mircea_popescu;nah, what'd i fire at 1605338;1484853468;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, like cs for thinking people. 1605339;1484861550;ben_vulpes; for pete_dushenski on the topic of studded bike tires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q5IYSrLFUY 1605340;1484862887;phf;https://github.com/dekuNukem/fap80 z80 based computer 1605341;1484862927;phf;it uses the word "modern" a lot, but from cursory glance it doesn't look insane 1605342;1484863169;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/cool-it-carol/ << Trilema - Cool it, Carol! 1605343;1484863279;ben_vulpes;FAP 1605344;1484863280;ben_vulpes;FAP FAP FAP 1605345;1484863298;asciilifeform;phf et al: actually this is example of TERRIBLE 'retrocomp' design 1605346;1484863306;asciilifeform;it offloads a megatonne of work onto a modern micro 1605347;1484863318;asciilifeform;is in no real 1980s sense 'fits in head' 1605348;1484863495;phf;well, it's a lispm kind of architecture, with a single central controller, and extension boards of various degrees of dirty. though i guess the real "core" here is the opaque STM32 1605349;1484865514;asciilifeform;phf: aha. the z80 is ~decorative on such a box. 1605350;1484865523;asciilifeform;folx keep makin' these nonsense abortions. 1605351;1484865561;phf;i didn't know what stm32 was, i thought it was some PIC variation 1605352;1484865562;asciilifeform;and i can see why they do it, even buying ~one~, e.g., UART, today, is not easy 1605353;1484865586;asciilifeform;phf: arm 1605354;1484865640;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is NSA-TRB down? started up an old node to sync... and get: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6m3GH/?raw=true 1605355;1484865663;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it's up but blackholed 1605356;1484865686;asciilifeform;(my log tail looks quite like thestringpuller's paste) 1605357;1484865706;asciilifeform;megatonne of 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0' etc. 1605358;1484865862;asciilifeform;phf, ben_vulpes : http://searle.hostei.com/grant/cpm/#Schematic << much better z80ism 1605359;1484865871;asciilifeform;(0 anachronisms) 1605360;1484865890;asciilifeform;and no, cf card is not anachronism, it runs in ata-compatibility mode 1605361;1484865915;shinohai;Perhaps of interest to mats http://www.ibtimes.co.in/iraq-retreating-isis-leaves-behind-unfinished-fighter-jet-mosul-712914 1605362;1484865920;shinohai;They were SO CLOSE 1605363;1484865938;asciilifeform;(d00d ~does~ offer a schematic for 'keyboard and vga' using modern micro, at the end of the page, though) 1605364;1484866004;asciilifeform;shinohai: jet ?! 1605365;1484866008;asciilifeform;reminds me of idiot joke from 1990s 1605366;1484866024;asciilifeform;ukr ministry of culture says: 'ancient ukrs had radio! we have proof' 1605367;1484866035;asciilifeform;interviewer: 'what's the proof' 1605368;1484866044;asciilifeform;ukr: 'our archaeologists have turned up no wires...' 1605369;1484866052;trinque;lol 1605370;1484866076;shinohai;xD 1605371;1484866132;shinohai;To me appears most of hull is cloth stretched over a frame, or are those wrinkles? 1605372;1484866180;asciilifeform;looks like honest attempt at a glider, possibly 1605373;1484866226;asciilifeform;'we found no propeller! MUST BE JET' 1605374;1484866233;asciilifeform;why not ufo. 1605375;1484866242;asciilifeform;with antigrav motor. 1605376;1484866770;asciilifeform;phf: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/doc/ << lulzy, ALL of the building instructions for cmucl -- 404 !! 1605377;1484866792;asciilifeform;this thing makes ~my~ horrors look well-documented. 1605378;1484866860;asciilifeform;srsly, all 4 links under the 'Developer info' category, are duds 1605379;1484866880;asciilifeform;why the fuck even bother with having the other docs 1605380;1484866895;asciilifeform;if the motherfucker cannot be BUILT without whole day of reverse-engineering 1605381;1484866975;phf;well, that's my favorite one https://www.cons.org/cmucl/doc/crosscompile.html 1605382;1484866992;asciilifeform;l0l 1605383;1484866998;asciilifeform;'To be written.' 1605384;1484867022;asciilifeform;y'know, this is how folx end up on a scaffold with mircea_popescu pissing down their neckstump 1605385;1484867033;asciilifeform;and i have 0 sympathy. 1605386;1484867038;phf;what "folks"? 1605387;1484867043;asciilifeform;'developers' 1605388;1484867048;asciilifeform;'open sores' folx. 1605389;1484867051;phf;again what "folks"? 1605390;1484867090;asciilifeform;#ifdef DEBUG_BAD_HEAP 1605391;1484867090;asciilifeform; /* 1605392;1484867090;asciilifeform; * For some reason x86 has a heap corruption problem. I (rtoy) 1605393;1484867090;asciilifeform; * have not been able to figure out how that occurs, but what is 1605394;1484867091;asciilifeform; * happening is that when a core is loaded, there is some static 1605395;1484867092;asciilifeform; * object pointing to an object that is on a free page. In normal 1605396;1484867093;asciilifeform; * usage, at startup there should be 4 objects in static space 1605397;1484867095;asciilifeform; * pointing to a free page, because these are newly allocated 1605398;1484867097;asciilifeform; * objects created by the C runtime. However, there is an 1605399;1484867099;asciilifeform; * additional object. 1605400;1484867101;asciilifeform; * 1605401;1484867105;asciilifeform; * I do not know what this object should be or how it got there, 1605402;1484867107;asciilifeform; * but it will often cause CMUCL to fail to save a new core file. 1605403;1484867109;asciilifeform;^ save.c. this looks terrifying. 1605404;1484867384;asciilifeform;phf (or anybody else?) -- dare i ask, how the fuck does one BUILD IT 1605405;1484867406;asciilifeform;is the idea 'read the code for a month and then MAYBE you will realize in what order to build' 1605406;1484867734;ben_vulpes;dog if that's a jet fighter i'm the ceo of apple 1605407;1484867807;asciilifeform;fart-propelled 1605408;1484867872;asciilifeform;http://www.ljosa.com/~ljosa/doc/encycmuclopedia/devenv/README-build-instructions.txt << phf if this is current, then i am officially cured of all desire to have anything to do with the thing 1605409;1484867950;asciilifeform;travail arabe. 1605410;1484868025;ben_vulpes;i was certain that we'd done the 'omg cmucl compilation' lolz thread before; is this a time loop? where are picard and riker 1605411;1484868041;asciilifeform;!#s cmucl build 1605412;1484868041;a111;5 results for "cmucl build", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cmucl%20build 1605413;1484868063;ben_vulpes;ah yes, 'twas adlai who brought do 1605414;1484868064;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543330 << not so long ago. 1605415;1484868064;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 02:43 adlai: this is funny: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/cmucl-build/00_README but this is funnier: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/doc/crosscompile.html 1605416;1484868073;phf;even http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543331 1605417;1484868073;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 02:43 asciilifeform: ## Recompiling CMUCL is not an exact science... ## 1605418;1484868075;asciilifeform;looks like same result. 1605419;1484868200;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543400 << here we go. 1605420;1484868200;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 02:57 mircea_popescu: how can you lot put up with these idiots ? 1605421;1484868204;asciilifeform;in fact we had the thread!! 1605422;1484868523;mircea_popescu;lol 1605423;1484868717;mircea_popescu;honeslty, should probably go with whatever either phf used to run btcbase or ben_vulpes used to run candi. 1605424;1484868725;asciilifeform;iirc both are on sbcl 1605425;1484868740;asciilifeform;which is ~unsuitable for 'metallization', see today's earlier thread. 1605426;1484868749;mircea_popescu;hm 1605427;1484868756;asciilifeform;(sbcl runs well today precisely because it is 'sharpened' for linux) 1605428;1484868762;mircea_popescu;"metallization" is way premature in any case. 1605429;1484868799;asciilifeform;aaaactually if sbcl, cmucl, or whichever lisptron, could be whittled down to 'get char', 'put char', 'malloc' -- could be on iron tonight. 1605430;1484868806;phf;nyef actually spent a lot of effort trying to put sbcl on raw hardware, and he's a competent hacker (he also did sbcl port to arm for example) 1605431;1484868815;mircea_popescu;but they can't. 1605432;1484868818;asciilifeform;phf: is this experiment documented somewhere? 1605433;1484868844;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what i wanted to establish was the ~whynot~ 1605434;1484868873;mircea_popescu;because dma and interrupts ; and bad memory addressing. 1605435;1484868903;asciilifeform;you can lose dma if you're willing to lose nic and video. 1605436;1484868906;mircea_popescu;the problem with "string" isn't there just to fuck with mp's ai bot. 1605437;1484868919;mircea_popescu;what "char" ? 1605438;1484868927;asciilifeform;octet from/to uart. 1605439;1484868934;mircea_popescu;if only. 1605440;1484868937;asciilifeform;it's enough to operate a very basic comp. 1605441;1484868942;asciilifeform;(quite enough for a forth, say.) 1605442;1484868954;mircea_popescu;this octet from/to uart doth not exist as such on extant hardware. 1605443;1484868959;asciilifeform;theoretically you can, e.g., host www on just an uart. 1605444;1484868960;phf;asciilifeform: there are text files (he makes adequate technical logs of most of his efforts. i'm using his notes to recreate arm port for cmucl), but i won't be able to find them at the moment (i'm not on my main machine) 1605445;1484868969;mircea_popescu;theroetically you can lick your own anus. 1605446;1484868981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it exists, i have run number crunching routines this way. 1605447;1484869000;phf;i'm pretty sure he was doing around the same time as you were doing loper, so i'm surprised you haven't seen it. i think he might've been doing it under TUNES umbrella 1605448;1484869009;asciilifeform;boot sector loads a few 100 kB of hand-rolled code, and talks solely via uart. 1605449;1484869012;asciilifeform;you can do actual work this way. 1605450;1484869021;mircea_popescu;you will not "whittled down to 'get char', 'put char', 'malloc'" 1605451;1484869035;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in point of fact, tinyscheme does. 1605452;1484869049;asciilifeform;but is unsuitable for different reason (it has no compiler, is a c proggy, cannot compile self) 1605453;1484869054;mircea_popescu;i don't recall, what was the objection to tinyscheme as the root ? 1605454;1484869063;asciilifeform;see above. it needs gcc. 1605455;1484869065;mircea_popescu;ahahah. so "in point of fact tinyscheme doesn't" 1605456;1484869075;phf;so far only person who wrote anything for tinyscheme is myself, and tinyscheme is more of a PoC than anything else. bignums for example were ~unreasonably~ expensive 1605457;1484869091;asciilifeform;phf: this is theoretically solvable. but it's a c proggy. 1605458;1484869098;mircea_popescu;phf was abortive experiment in eulora too. 1605459;1484869252;phf;" (Speaking as someone who wrote his own standalone Forth and then used it to load a stripped-down hacked SBCL core on bare metal x86.)" 1605460;1484869268;mircea_popescu;was this in #lisp ? 1605461;1484869272;phf;actually i should probably track his notes down, but it might be easier to just ask him 1605462;1484869299;phf;yeah, 2010 1605463;1484869303;asciilifeform;~somebody~ has to have 1) attempted this 2) not burned all of his work in fireplace in disillusioned despair 1605464;1484869399;mircea_popescu;#lisp is pretty fucking dead. 1605465;1484869407;ben_vulpes;aye 1605466;1484869412;mircea_popescu;for one thing who are the people there even ? 1605467;1484869423;ben_vulpes;occasionally i ask a question and someone answers 1605468;1484869455;ben_vulpes;"bike" is useful, "beach" is responsible for some amount of CLIM... 1605469;1484869604;jurov;asciilifeform: i think these somebodies went on to make their own lisp dialect, using python build system or jvm or llvm or somesuch 1605470;1484869611;mircea_popescu;http://lisphacker.com/projects/sbcl-os/how-it-works-2008-04-19.txt < at least part. 1605471;1484869632;asciilifeform;jurov: they may also have gone to the bottle, for all i care 1605472;1484869642;asciilifeform;jurov: i am interested strictly in the record re the relevant bits. 1605473;1484869687;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why it has to come in scattered 2 page text files 1605474;1484869707;mircea_popescu;they should hang kids in jr high by their ballsac until they learn to blog every day. 1605475;1484869739;phf;he used to have a top level domain with artifacts that he was producing. txt files of notes, diffs for sbcl etc 1605476;1484869747;mircea_popescu;yes but it's gone. 1605477;1484869842;phf;http://lisphacker.com/temp/lispos/os-0.9.14-m3.patch 1605478;1484869867;mircea_popescu;http://log.irc.tymoon.eu/freenode/lisp?from=2015-12-20T19 << there's a log, insanely shitty with too much js to run, but i think it may go back usefully. 1605479;1484869873;asciilifeform;poor sad nonvtronic patch. go and try to find WHAT he patched. 1605480;1484869913;mircea_popescu;phf that shitty "lisphacker.com" thing that spits the most obnoxious errors, really bitch, "no such key" ? 1605481;1484870135;mircea_popescu;!#s haverbeke 1605482;1484870136;a111;0 results for "haverbeke", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=haverbeke 1605483;1484870148;mircea_popescu;!#s bridgewater 1605484;1484870149;a111;3 results for "bridgewater", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bridgewater 1605485;1484870189;mircea_popescu;(nyef = alistair bridgewater, from the pw:rn subdirectorate of intel) 1605486;1484870478;ben_vulpes;pw:rn? 1605487;1484870581;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/fuckgoats-for-sale/ << Daniel P. Barron - FUCKGOATS For Sale 1605488;1484870609;mircea_popescu;!~google pw:rn site:ed.org 1605489;1484870610;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: No matches found. 1605490;1484870613;mircea_popescu;aww. 1605491;1484870675;*;asciilifeform bbl -- meat 1605492;1484870694;mircea_popescu;you knwo you should eat some bread and vegetables on occasion 1605493;1484870717;phf;all that meat's what making you so angry 1605494;1484870758;mircea_popescu;he's angry ? seems more like incurably disdainful 1605495;1484871054;phf;hmm, i thought russian disdain is usually a lot colder, refined. sort of like nabokov talking about what make lolita appealing to the american public. 1605496;1484871085;mircea_popescu;anger's from the blood. what he's got, it's definitely bile. 1605497;1484871352;mircea_popescu;lol check that out alf, FUCKGOATS reselling as collector itamz lel 1605498;1484871363;danielpbarron;:D 1605499;1484872520;phf;if you visit mit's open courseware, first link is on "Gender & Media: Collaborations in Feminism and Technology" 1605500;1484872664;phf;which brings me to my question, what's a good book on inorganic chemistry (or general chemistry) 1605501;1484873566;mircea_popescu;!~google costin d nenitescu, chimie anorganica 1605502;1484873567;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Chimie generala nenitescu - Cumpara cu incredere de pe Okazii.ro.: ; Costin D . Nenițescu - Wikipedia: ; Costin D . Nenitescu - Chimie anorganica - manual pentru licee de ...: 100k calories / week and all the girls are dieting. 1605557;1484881068;mod6;omg. i bet the bolognese is awesome. 1605558;1484881103;phf;girl couldn't figure out how i can eat so much (now) and not gain any weight was a mystery. few weeks ago a lightbulb "ooooh, it all goes to thinking!" 1605559;1484881115;asciilifeform;phf: i've spent last hr or so reading cmucl code, more or less at random, and am struck by the sheer proportion of scar tissue 1605560;1484881129;asciilifeform;(things that are there to work around $bug, which in turn stems from workaround of $bug2, etc) 1605561;1484881140;mircea_popescu;oya 1605562;1484881145;asciilifeform;makes trb look good. 1605563;1484881187;mircea_popescu;phf enjoy it while it lasts bub, i had the same thing in my 20s/early 30s 1605564;1484881188;asciilifeform;now, it isn't as if i had a better cltron to offer. 1605565;1484881233;mod6;oh, yeah. almost forgot... having the feather stems in the pillows is the worst. i refuse to use them for that reason. nothing worse than those things poking you in the face. 1605566;1484881236;asciilifeform;also the thing is chock-full of os-specific conditionals 1605567;1484881240;phf;asciilifeform: i wonder how much of scar was removed in sbcl. i know while newman was still hacking, he removed a lot of gunk. i vaguely suspect that cmucl can't be improved without tackling the bootstrapping problem, which is probably going to look very similar to sbcl's solution 1605568;1484881276;asciilifeform;lol holyshit sbcl is still on soresforge?!!! 1605569;1484881420;mod6;is there any big hang-ups about chicken scheme? 1605570;1484881447;asciilifeform;the c? 1605571;1484881454;asciilifeform;gotta ditch gcc. 1605572;1484881466;asciilifeform;given as it only runs on unixlikes. (and is a massive pig) 1605573;1484881473;mod6;well, yeah, but arn't all scheme interpreters built with C? 1605574;1484881483;asciilifeform;not, e.g., 'dream' 1605575;1484881484;phf;no in scheme land you have mit scheme and scheme48 1605576;1484881501;asciilifeform;and conceivably one could hand-compile tinyscheme. 1605577;1484881524;asciilifeform;(ideally scheme-on-iron would be a very few kb of heavily-massaged asm) 1605578;1484881596;mod6;that'd be neat 1605579;1484881617;asciilifeform;mod6: likewise, there are cltrons (e.g., sbcl) that -- at least in theory -- can compile selves to x86 1605580;1484881658;mod6;'cl' is like 'lisp' formal right? 1605581;1484881665;asciilifeform;common lisp specifically 1605582;1484881669;mod6;ah 1605583;1484881678;asciilifeform;(there are many different lisps, starting from the 1958 one) 1605584;1484881713;mod6;<+phf> no in scheme land you have mit scheme and scheme48 << with these, which one is more preferred? or why choose one over the other? 1605585;1484881818;phf;there's a lineage of lisp, which is significantly mutually compatible. LISP, maclisp, interlisp, zetalisp. common lisp is a standardization attempt on top of those. for example if you take eliza code (written for LISP 1.5) you can make it run on common lisp without any transformations (need to provide some missing forms though) 1605586;1484881872;phf;this is not really the case with scheme, T, clojure, etc. 1605587;1484881875;asciilifeform;ftr phf is the one and only serious lisp d00d i ever ran across who capitalized. 1605588;1484881924;mod6;capitalized in the sense that most lispers live in the park in san fransisco? 1605589;1484881929;asciilifeform;nono 1605590;1484881930;phf;kek 1605591;1484881933;asciilifeform;capitalized LISP 1605592;1484881938;mod6;ah 1605593;1484881990;asciilifeform;phf: to be fair, the main (other than lisp1-ness) semantic diff b/w scheme and lisp1.5 was static scope. which made its way into cl. 1605594;1484882000;asciilifeform;(which, to nitpick, has selectable scope. but defaults to static) 1605595;1484882002;mod6;what's the meaning there, is LISP the "proper" lisp for an actual lisp machine? 1605596;1484882014;asciilifeform;mod6: nah 1605597;1484882034;phf;well, i think, if you're trying to communicate clearly, LISP means thing that mccarthy wrote, and then spinoffs of that, LISP 1.5, 1.6 1605598;1484882046;asciilifeform;mod6: it was from early literature, and from dark ages machines with no shift key. and so folx who learn of the existence of lisp from encyclopaedia in school, tend to LISP 1605599;1484882060;phf;then you have a version of LISP for project mac called MACLISP, also capitalized. but it shares so much with LISP that you can call it LISP too 1605600;1484882106;mod6;ahh 1605601;1484882154;mod6;what is the general feeling of 'common lisp' within the republic? 1605602;1484882161;phf;these days when you say "lisp" you usually either mean an equivalent of "algol" or "common lisp" specifically 1605603;1484882210;mod6;(i ask all of the questions because im simply curious, and it seems to be such a broad range of different dialects, if that's even a way to put it) 1605604;1484882213;asciilifeform;mod6: i have nfi what 'general feeling' would mean, there is no homogeneous writhing mass here 1605605;1484882217;asciilifeform;but you can ask specific people. 1605606;1484882253;asciilifeform;to asciilifeform commonlisp is rather like i imagine an old, nagging wife is for old man 1605607;1484882261;asciilifeform;defective in all kinds of ways but it isn't as if another is to be had. 1605608;1484882278;mod6;hmm. ok. 1605609;1484882288;asciilifeform;(nor does the old far necessarily deserve anything else) 1605610;1484882304;asciilifeform;*fart 1605611;1484882406;asciilifeform;mod6: scheme is neat on paper (~50 pg. exhaustive spec! at least before the poetterings got to it in rev. 6) but you will find that it is ~impossible to program in the language that appears in that document 1605612;1484882434;asciilifeform;without megatonne of 'libraries' that make the overall mass of the system quickly approach and exceed that of cl 1605613;1484882463;phf;scheme48 comes closets to sane lisp imo, it was written on a lisp machine, and comes with a lot of very sane batteries (the library is clearly inspired by cl) 1605614;1484882486;mod6;would it be a worthy project for someone to start to write some essential libs for tinyscheme? 1605615;1484882515;asciilifeform;mod6: theoretically. but, as phf observed earlier in this thread, certain entirely necessary things are impractical to retrofit to it (e.g., bignum) 1605616;1484882543;mod6;i did see that. and yah, that sucks. for lack of a better way to put it. 1605617;1484882667;phf;if you take any of the canonical bignum-in-lisp implementations and port them to tinyscheme, multiplication of one 5 digit number by another 5 digit number takes ~seconds~. optimization is left as an exercise. i suspect some of the routines can be implemented as opcodes.. you could also take that numeric thing asciilifeform extracted out of gnupg and bolt it to tinyscheme as a PoC 1605618;1484882669;mod6;would that alone be worth experimenting with, just to see how expensive it really would be? 1605619;1484882690;asciilifeform;phf: you could, but it would be terrible 1605620;1484882697;asciilifeform;megaturd of c crapolade. 1605621;1484882784;asciilifeform;mod6: i can't speak for others, but i specifically am interested in a ~0-c~ box. 1605622;1484882843;phf;mod6: i did a poc while experimenting with http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank, but i only gotten as far as addition and multiplication. i think taking a stab at writing a canonical bignum-in-scheme is a good idea 1605623;1484882844;asciilifeform;so, if it's an x86 box, this means that no opcode executes on it, from cradle to grave, that didn't come out of (hypothetical) compiler with mandatory bounds/type checks. 1605624;1484883003;mircea_popescu;mod6 there';s a bot you can fuck around with if you wanna try it out. 1605625;1484883016;mircea_popescu;very far from any sort of anything. 1605626;1484883017;mod6;yeah, i saw some of that. neat stuff. 1605627;1484883037;asciilifeform;phf: scheme48 1.9.2 is >300,000 line of c! 1605628;1484883042;mod6;phf: yeah, might be a worthwhile project. 1605629;1484883050;asciilifeform;or hm 1605630;1484883061;asciilifeform;100K 1605631;1484883064;asciilifeform;100k ln. 1605632;1484883122;mircea_popescu;phf the problem with the bolt-ons being that why are you bolting on, use the language of the boltons instead. 1605633;1484884322;mod6;these automated tests could use some serious cleanup and refactoring -- they work fine, just not very pretty, etc. 1605634;1484884331;mod6;but I'm so glad I wrote these. 1605635;1484885915;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8844F6A2F2BDAC790E9EB53B7E7D7FFDC1BBFB176B97D45FB6C6810C18D16D63 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...7823 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.25.14.52 (ssh-rsa key from 194.25.14.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE) 1605636;1484885915;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8844F6A2F2BDAC790E9EB53B7E7D7FFDC1BBFB176B97D45FB6C6810C18D16D63 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1530...0617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.25.14.52 (ssh-rsa key from 194.25.14.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE) 1605637;1484886092;mircea_popescu;word. 1605638;1484887326;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1605639;1484887328;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: {"blockcount":449062} | Current Difficulty: 3.36899932795E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 449567 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1605640;1484887530;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1605641;1484887538;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 893.3, vol: 10688.44298373 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 875.0, vol: 5522.72558 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 891.0, vol: 13106.35779268 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 885.889845, vol: 330382.74660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 889.969, vol: 2631.19989002 | Volume-weighted last average: 886.156920849 1605642;1484887715;asciilifeform;re earlier thread, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/urscheme/ << somewhat interesting 1605643;1484889095;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D92D1EBA96C53A4CD671F26365FD301486A673DDD585ED6948931517172DC23B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1495...9719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.50.115.100 (ssh-rsa key from 194.50.115.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown AT) 1605644;1484889096;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D92D1EBA96C53A4CD671F26365FD301486A673DDD585ED6948931517172DC23B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1729...8499 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.50.115.100 (ssh-rsa key from 194.50.115.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown AT) 1605645;1484890116;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B1C6252D24CDADAC9976AEF2FEFC9490EEB278F7AD893D5B6BE9B5AED372D53C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1624...1167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.127.163.115 (ssh-rsa key from 75.127.163.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ool-4b7fa373.static.optonline.net. US NY) 1605646;1484890116;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B1C6252D24CDADAC9976AEF2FEFC9490EEB278F7AD893D5B6BE9B5AED372D53C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1671...2177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '75.127.163.115 (ssh-rsa key from 75.127.163.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ool-4b7fa373.static.optonline.net. US NY) 1605647;1484890237;davout;morning lords and lordettes 1605648;1484890305;BingoBoingo;Good morning davout 1605649;1484890403;*;davout waves 1605650;1484890656;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3D22F1B6991EB15F3CDDF2D457D8FB89BA28F41F4BAFA6FB7781152B2ABB93C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1602...5687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '124.81.228.132 (ssh-rsa key from 124.81.228.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ID JT) 1605651;1484890656;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3D22F1B6991EB15F3CDDF2D457D8FB89BA28F41F4BAFA6FB7781152B2ABB93C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1782...7483 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '124.81.228.132 (ssh-rsa key from 124.81.228.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ID JT) 1605652;1484912631;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-20#1605500 << i've heard good things about zumdahl, but haven't vetted myself 1605653;1484912631;a111;Logged on 2017-01-20 00:37 phf: which brings me to my question, what's a good book on inorganic chemistry (or general chemistry) 1605654;1484915162;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WZ1oP/?raw=true 1605655;1484918057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it 1605656;1484920033;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, 208.178.195.210 (global-crossing-argentina-s-a.xe-0-1-0.ar3.eze1.gblx.net) is currently losing about half my traffic 1605657;1484920041;mircea_popescu;can't fucking ping my own fucking servers. IDIOTS. 1605658;1484921166;mircea_popescu;and on the other side of idiot isle, theguardian (NOT A FAKE NEWS! NOT A FOREIGN INFLUENCE AGENT!) is doing about 50% of the official coverage ; quotes soros (NOT A US-CONVICTED FUGITIVE!) and harps about how in 2015 trump might have hired actors to clap. 1605659;1484921182;mircea_popescu;because somehow the astroturf "democratic" groundswell failed to materialize. but it's all ok. 1605660;1484921346;mircea_popescu;in other postapocalyptica, this is how the "civilised world" looks nowadays : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ngov8WgAA6ctd.jpg 1605661;1484921414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: normally they use buses 1605662;1484921435;asciilifeform;and it happens on just about any occasion with mass pedestrian traffic on road 1605663;1484921449;asciilifeform;(protest derpery, etc) 1605664;1484921459;mircea_popescu;i come from a world where people smoked cigars on planes. 1605665;1484921496;asciilifeform;i bet soros is smoking 4 cigars , through converter, on a mig right nao. 1605666;1484921517;mircea_popescu;i bet soros thinks it's a good day if he manages to shit on his own power, today. 1605667;1484921667;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "i've been an activist all my life" womenz of unchristian first names movement (WUFNM) flailings are getting pretty unreadable. 1605668;1484921800;mircea_popescu;(the official line btw is that "the polls weren't off by much, because clinton got 2% of popular vote vs 4-5% predicted". supposedly incredible ineptitude on an unseen-before scale is to be pivoted into "we're still right, smart and the icons of humanity ; the electoral system is rigged" and this'll somehow fly because the democrat voting bloc doesn't form memories for longer than half a week and nobody else properly speaking 1605669;1484921800;mircea_popescu; exists) 1605670;1484921805;mod6;mornin' 1605671;1484921828;davout;mod6: ohai! 1605672;1484921840;mod6;hai davout. how goes? 1605673;1484921868;davout;pretty good! my trb node is synced around october 2015 1605674;1484921885;davout;kinda tempted to get a proper SSD to give it a decent home 1605675;1484921948;mod6;sweet. 1605676;1484921958;mod6;nice work! 1605677;1484921992;shinohai;Nice davout 1605678;1484922007;mod6;i'm making some good progress on my V changes this week. hopefully won't be too long be for I can help you out with any wallet related things you might be doing on trb. 1605679;1484922017;mircea_popescu;cool 1605680;1484922081;davout;awsum 1605681;1484922169;trinque;davout: that SSD would probably arrive by rowboat faster than you'll sync on platters 1605682;1484922305;mircea_popescu;yeah seek times are ak iller. 1605683;1484923286;davout;trinque: not on my box, on the servers i rent 1605684;1484927354;asciilifeform;herr tritler in 3, 2, 1... 1605685;1484928272;asciilifeform;pretty strange, the official camera blurred out the nametags of the guards 1605686;1484928938;asciilifeform;'blacklivesmatter shuts down entrance to inauguration' 1605687;1484929007;mircea_popescu;where's occupywallstreet btw ? 1605688;1484929022;mircea_popescu;or nobody is supposed to have face recognition software outside teh alphabet ? 1605689;1484929024;asciilifeform;in /dev/null since 2011 or so 1605690;1484929027;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1605691;1484929102;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/skSk9 << 'protest' 1605692;1484929277;mircea_popescu;in the lol of the day, "Trump, who's accustomed to completing projects "on time and under budget," will try to bring an unfamiliar business discipline to the nation's capital. He may find that Washington is not as nimble or responsive to orders from the chief executive as his family-run business" (npr) 1605693;1484929324;mircea_popescu;actually he may find that the district of niggers makes a point of pride out of their ignorance & lazyness, and equate these with democracy and their dismantling with you know, racism, rape, etcetera. 1605694;1484929336;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1605695;1484929343;mircea_popescu;has to be said. 1605696;1484929579;mircea_popescu;lmao such color revolution. 1605697;1484929671;trinque;dat clinton sneer. I hope there are many butthurt shots today. 1605698;1484929689;shinohai;The Michelle Obama sneer was hilarious as well 1605699;1484929714;mircea_popescu;is butthurt.org taken ? could make a decent gallery 1605700;1484929725;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0DDFB674DD5A90D5E967091802EA3709CEE1471665E68605B4F060B889AF7905 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1406...1063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.107.61.192 (ssh-rsa key from 192.107.61.192 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (winter.bologna.enea.it. IT) 1605701;1484929725;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0DDFB674DD5A90D5E967091802EA3709CEE1471665E68605B4F060B889AF7905 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1597...7179 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.107.61.192 (ssh-rsa key from 192.107.61.192 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (winter.bologna.enea.it. IT) 1605702;1484929725;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F783B0FDC12491293F4BA1B7A463C6E811AA0A16DFD1D8CA358C2589A986F67A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...1783 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.117.172.159 (ssh-rsa key from 210.117.172.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown KR) 1605703;1484929725;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F783B0FDC12491293F4BA1B7A463C6E811AA0A16DFD1D8CA358C2589A986F67A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1578...6807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.117.172.159 (ssh-rsa key from 210.117.172.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown KR) 1605704;1484929756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't it notable how ~none of these fail to share both factors ? 1605705;1484929766;asciilifeform;debian 1605706;1484929770;mircea_popescu;it's as if the software never actually fails ; but it's always deliberately subverted 1605707;1484929771;mircea_popescu;aha. 1605708;1484929789;asciilifeform;lol mr t must have toothache or sumthing 1605709;1484929813;trinque;seen the current south park season? that's his stank face 1605710;1484931152;asciilifeform;also mircea_popescu if a prime q is found and m/q == p, and p is prime, p is listed as factor. 1605711;1484931236;asciilifeform;5...4...3... 1605712;1484931732;asciilifeform;liftoff. 1605713;1484931939;asciilifeform;'...washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth... the factories closed... the establishment protected itself...' 1605714;1484932749;davout;in the meantime the indiancandy chick is apparently trying to recruit paypigs on twitter, doesn't seem to be working out that well 1605715;1484932891;asciilifeform;davout: what's a paypig 1605716;1484932900;asciilifeform;!!up Alicia1992 1605717;1484932901;deedbot;Alicia1992 voiced for 30 minutes. 1605718;1484932972;Alicia1992;Somebody would excange bitcoin? 1605719;1484933103;jurov;Alicia1992 I do, see: https://localbitcoins.com/ad/389150/purchase-bitcoin-transferwise 1605720;1484933212;davout;asciilifeform: "In the realm of BDSM, a paypig is a submissive, almost always male, who has consented to financial servitude towards his Mistress. Term used in a derogatory/humiliating light, usually by Mistresses." 1605721;1484933232;davout;as defined by urban dictionary 1605722;1484933330;davout;do you guys see me part and join the chan? looks like my bouncer or my client is losing some messages 1605723;1484933336;Alicia1992;Someone would take bet in btc ? 1605724;1484933376;danielpbarron;what's the bet? 1605725;1484933436;Alicia1992;Tell me what you want 1605726;1484933443;Alicia1992;I'll give you an odd 1605727;1484933486;trinque;o,0 1605728;1484933509;trinque;Alicia1992: generally someone proposes a bet eh? not "anyone bet me anything". 1605729;1484933517;jurov;Alicia1992: have you seen http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ? 1605730;1484933527;jurov;can i bet on your boobs? 1605731;1484933531;Alicia1992;thx but no thx 1605732;1484933537;davout;Alicia1992: who are you anyway? 1605733;1484933540;danielpbarron;Alicia1992, well get a RSA key first of all 1605734;1484933550;Alicia1992;? 1605735;1484933561;danielpbarron;!!help 1605736;1484933561;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1605737;1484933564;trinque;this is out of order anyway. 1605738;1484933566;trinque;Alicia1992: who are you 1605739;1484933640;Framedragger;yes mebbe #bitcoin-otc is a better place; if only it weren't dead... 1605740;1484933682;Alicia1992;ok 1605741;1484934247;mircea_popescu;davout nope. 1605742;1484934276;mircea_popescu;secret bot ? 1605743;1484934613;davout;my bouncer logs are fine, looks like it's my client that's retarded 1605744;1484935362;jurov;some forgotten ignores? 1605745;1484935369;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1605746;1484935371;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/euCva << 'The DC Human Rights Act makes it illegal to discriminate against more groups than are protected under federal law. Protected classes in Washington include not only race, religion and sex, but political affiliation as well. “Right off the bat people are asking if we deny the so-called 'alt-right,' and they are held out to be Trump supporters, are we denying based on political affiliation?” Rome said. H 1605747;1484935371;asciilifeform;e assured restaurant owners that they would be well within their rights to “choose not to serve neo-Nazis” or the racist “alt-right” group that seeks a white-only state because they are not political parties with registered voters.' 1605748;1484935389;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1605749;1484935809;mircea_popescu;aqhaha 1605750;1484935874;mircea_popescu;"that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will" 1605751;1484935900;asciilifeform;lel 1605752;1484935904;mircea_popescu;"human rights" was it. totally not establishmenting anti-dissent mechanism. 1605753;1484935914;asciilifeform;btw phf ? a111 down ? 1605754;1484935955;asciilifeform;can't help but think of http://trilema.com/2016/xkcd 1605755;1484936074;mircea_popescu;aha. 1605756;1484937013;shinohai;Yeah poor indiancandy seems to have a hard time all around. Few paypigs knocking and she won't do penetration with toys, so ..... 1605757;1484937048;asciilifeform;tear gas, burning car(s), in washington 1605758;1484937074;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how's dat black hole sun 1605759;1484937074;asciilifeform;'1:09 p.m.: The Whlte House climate change page is gone.' 1605760;1484937356;asciilifeform;much moar interestingly, https://archive.is/Ut2ya >> 'A former Notre Dame College student photographer who stole 656 pair of women's underwear from fellow students, including athletes he photographed, was sentenced to spend 10 days in Cuyahoga County Jail.' 1605761;1484937464;shinohai;lel 1605762;1484937484;thestringpuller;is there any live TRB node that isn't blackholed right nao?!? 1605763;1484937489;shinohai;"Defendent immediately asked to work in the Prison Laundry" 1605764;1484937490;thestringpuller;mod6 et. al 1605765;1484937603;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: zoolag 1605766;1484937992;mircea_popescu;o look a111 died ? 1605767;1484938044;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170120/#277 << minutesmatter! 1605768;1484938044;scriba;Logged on 2017-01-20: [18:31:14] '1:09 p.m.: The Whlte House climate change page is gone.' 1605769;1484939037;Framedragger;(doing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596266 is possible btw, if it's worth the effort?) 1605770;1484939078;Framedragger;(http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170104/#249) 1605771;1484939079;scriba;Logged on 2017-01-04: [13:15:14] http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1588758 << doable, but also easy to mess up. 1605772;1484939116;trinque;Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-16#1603680 << my thoughts on ^ 1605773;1484939148;trinque;not that I vigorously oppose it or anything 1605774;1484939164;Framedragger;trinque: ya fair 'nuff, freenode is not good with being stateful, or any-ful really 1605775;1484939179;trinque;but as a general principle when the underlying thing is broken, it is a sin to let something above collect hair to "fix" it 1605776;1484939193;mircea_popescu;Framedragger implement a commandable switch ? that way you can turn it on/off as needed 1605777;1484939203;Framedragger;scriba could track all a111 responses to btcbase urls, and if after $time there's no response, give response of its own. but this is the "easy to make things look horrible" part 1605778;1484939217;mircea_popescu;really not worth doing ai for this. 1605779;1484939246;mircea_popescu;!$readlinks as a toggle is good enough 1605780;1484939252;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: guess so. in which case that switch should be operatable by someone else as well (as i can do this myself easily already, but yes presently requires restart, and yes read-eval loop would be nice etc) 1605781;1484939253;trinque;manual switch would be the sane approach indeed 1605782;1484939277;mircea_popescu;phf can implement it in a111 when he comes back also and problem solved. 1605783;1484939338;Framedragger;a switch which can be operated by bot operator + l1 makes sense, then? (note, to avoid the whole "don't trust freenode to keep stateful maps", it'd have to do the challenge-response thing, which would be fun to do anyway on my part) 1605784;1484939345;mircea_popescu;yeah 1605785;1484939372;mircea_popescu;i dunno that it has to be challenge-based, but sure, if you want to do it that way have fun 1605786;1484939389;Framedragger;(i won't restart bot to manually enable btcbase quoatation right now as i may go afk soon, and when a111 comes back it'll be hell.) 1605787;1484939414;mircea_popescu;of course iirc the discussion last time was that "let each bot read HIS OWN logs" 1605788;1484939435;Framedragger;yah. 1605789;1484939437;mircea_popescu;which still is the actually sane approach, people aren't happy with silent bot can use the other reference. 1605790;1484939447;Framedragger;yes i can see that hm. 1605791;1484939457;Framedragger;a bit uneasy / flimsy-flamsy of a feeling 1605792;1484939465;mircea_popescu;why ? 1605793;1484939484;Framedragger;i mean, making bots read each other's reference seems like an ad-hoc solution, just that. 1605794;1484939495;mircea_popescu;i just said read his own lol. 1605795;1484939528;Framedragger;my mind read buffer's lagging :) 1605796;1484939572;mircea_popescu;if i say http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170104/#249 then scriba reads, if i say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-16#1603680 then a111 reads, if present\ 1605797;1484939572;scriba;Logged on 2017-01-04: [13:15:14] http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1588758 << doable, but also easy to mess up. 1605798;1484939589;Framedragger;and if not present? 1605799;1484939597;mircea_popescu;that's how it works nao and i really dun see it needs fixing ; but if you want to implement a challenge-response thing you can still do that, for your own rounding as it were 1605800;1484939604;mircea_popescu;and if not present silence. 1605801;1484939637;mircea_popescu;nobody forces anyone to use one reference system in preference of the other, neh ? use whichever has bot live if you're interested in readout. 1605802;1484939655;Framedragger;true. 1605803;1484939665;Framedragger;yes, makes sense to me 1605804;1484939937;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if you wanna tinker with log, there's a list of things 1605805;1484939952;mircea_popescu;at least i think i put them in teh log at some point, i forget 1605806;1484939996;Framedragger;ack, and am aware :) (crawled all btcbase logs since beginning, to be ingested into db when logs migrate to db, which i think i should do at some point) 1605807;1484940007;Framedragger;yes you did, and rather clearly iirc 1605808;1484940020;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170108/#664 1605809;1484940020;scriba;Logged on 2017-01-08: [15:22:41] ( Framedragger and if you work on it, moving away from the " " to the bolded-name-colon convention would also be very nice. 1605810;1484940038;mircea_popescu;ah and there is of course also adding search, if you want a large bite :D 1605811;1484940123;Framedragger;yeah :D yah my plan was to use postgres full text search (even though it may be overkill as phf once said), but it's just not high priority in my list. but i'd like to do it 1605812;1484940144;mircea_popescu;aite. 1605813;1484940158;Framedragger;(overkill if you say don't need the log-internal line reference thing in btcbase) 1605814;1484940177;mircea_popescu;the who ? 1605815;1484940218;Framedragger;i guess it's a decent band. 1605816;1484940232;mircea_popescu;lol 1605817;1484940257;Framedragger;the xref thing as phf calls them. when one log line references another, and btcbase adds hyperlinks to jump between the references 1605818;1484940341;mircea_popescu;ah ah. i dunno, i never used one, but if you feel like it go right ahead. 1605819;1484942733;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/aU43f << in other lelz 1605820;1484942750;asciilifeform;'Flights full of women are marking their way to Washington, D.C. for the Women's March on Washington. On social media Friday, many people tweeted photos of airplanes predominantly filled with women on their way to D.C. The Women's March, which was planned to demonstrate solidarity following the election of Donald Trump, will take place on Saturday in D.C., and sister marches are planned for all 50 states and in 32 countries around t 1605821;1484942750;asciilifeform;he world.' 1605822;1484942887;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1605823;1484942899;mircea_popescu;i guess ima write an oped for qntra, this is a little sad. 1605824;1484943056;thestringpuller;Framedragger: You're the first person I know who is meh about The Who. Either people hate them or love them. Kinda like the eagles...well not at all like the eagles. 1605825;1484943256;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605355 << mine's a zillion blocks behind 1605826;1484943302;asciilifeform;zoolag is current and working 1605827;1484943334;asciilifeform;(dulap -- blackholed for almost a day now) 1605828;1484943463;shinohai;I'm @ 354345 1605829;1484943494;asciilifeform;449185 1605830;1484943515;ben_vulpes;449086 1605831;1484943610;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, i'm watching these two crows hassling a raptor out over the river 1605832;1484944444;trinque;deedbot's up to date, 449185 per website, probably ahead of that now 1605833;1484944609;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9QN3J/?raw=true 1605834;1484944852;phf;i apologize for the bot, not sure what's going on (i guess i'm overdue for a crash) and i won't have access to machine for another four hours or so :/ 1605835;1484944964;phf;Framedragger: instead of crawling the logs it's much easier to just ask me for the textual dump that i use for storage (it's the same format as what kako used) 1605836;1484944992;mircea_popescu;yeah iirc there was a backup interface. in any case should be standard in logotrons 1605837;1484945081;phf;yeah, the folder where logs are stored are exposed to public, i don't remember what the url is though, i'll have to check later 1605838;1484945144;phf;there's also a hidden endpoint that somebody asked for (shinohai?) that lets you download log lines in kako format since some timestamp 1605839;1484945325;mircea_popescu;aha 1605840;1484945344;mircea_popescu;anyway, dun worry about it, we're reinforced against this specific problem 1605841;1484945363;phf;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170120/#295 << i can also just expose a heartbeat endpoint (or even a udp port) that scriba can check at interval. can also have a heartbeat pm. a111 gets a PING message from scriba, responds with PONG 1605842;1484945364;scriba;Logged on 2017-01-20: [19:06:43] scriba could track all a111 responses to btcbase urls, and if after $time there's no response, give response of its own. but this is the "easy to make things look horrible" part 1605843;1484945394;mircea_popescu;what'd that do ? 1605844;1484945402;mircea_popescu;other than saddle both of you with maintaining a hb model ? 1605845;1484945833;phf;well if the goal is to get bots to do something automatically, then we can have explicit, message based coordination model (eggdrop used messages and DCC to coordinate for example) no reason to "trust freenode". i prefer the lords explicitly switch the knobs approach though 1605846;1484945879;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly, be lazy here and work hard somewhere else. 1605847;1484946229;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/how-are-people-using-bitcoin/ << Daniel P. Barron - How are people using Bitcoin 1605848;1484946448;mircea_popescu;im kind-of surprised they haven't yet come to the obvious sensible thing that is the silver dildo. 1605849;1484946506;mircea_popescu;for one thing, silver is bactericide. for the other thing, there's a very satisfying weight. for the third thing ~you keep it clean~. gives cunt a sense of purpose and accomplishment. for the other thing, it correlates sizew with worth in a very strong relationship on a very human-convenient curve. 1605850;1484946523;mircea_popescu;it's way the fuck easier to work than pyrex, and altogether better in all respects. 1605851;1484946539;danielpbarron;doesn't silver tarnish? 1605852;1484946547;mircea_popescu;~you keep it clean~ 1605853;1484946566;mircea_popescu;(can have it sterling etc, so it doesn't tarnish. but srsly, work that rod girl!) 1605854;1484946578;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron julia t looks great next to you thar. 1605855;1484946589;danielpbarron;oh? 1605856;1484946609;mircea_popescu;gotta say also the most sideways erection i ever saw. you got a homing head or what 1605857;1484946628;danielpbarron;psh 1605858;1484946695;trinque;lol 1605859;1484947064;trinque;so I google her, find this http://www.wikifeet.com/Julia_Tourianski 1605860;1484947067;trinque;what the fuck people 1605861;1484947105;shinohai;dafuq fr? 1605862;1484947120;shinohai;didn't thestringpuller tell me she was a perv? 1605863;1484947134;trinque;I mean it's not even a good foot pic 1605864;1484947216;mats;lel 1605865;1484948561;mircea_popescu;you know, women having feet isn't perverse. 1605866;1484948785;shinohai;to have your feet only in a relatively obscure wiki post 1605867;1484948790;shinohai;and no where elese 1605868;1484948841;mircea_popescu;insufficient foot publicity ? 1605869;1484948866;*;trinque jokes too subtle sometimes 1605870;1484948881;trinque;I expect moar from a fetish wiki! 1605871;1484948916;mircea_popescu;what's with the hens and where are the feet ?! 1605872;1484949193;mats;trinque: what does a 'good' foot pic look like 1605873;1484949330;trinque;hell I dunno man, but I'm sure it's not off in the shadows to the side 1605874;1484949348;trinque;https://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/envy.jpg << by that logic this is a fat fetish pic 1605875;1484949440;ben_vulpes;more vaseline on the lens, and focal point closer to the lens at the very least. ideally some vignetting and maybe a bottle of hairspray in the background? 1605876;1484949453;mats;resident foot fetishists invited to share jpgs 1605877;1484949912;trinque;https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0roefSIjONM/VuAFk1fyE4I/AAAAAAAAT3g/L7cjKrRkRwk/s320/foot-fetish-781439.jpg << I can't tell if this one is fetish for feet or accountants 1605878;1484951785;mircea_popescu;more disturbingly, the rightmost pair looks ~12. 1605879;1484951809;mircea_popescu;and what is with all these peasant feet anyway. they don't have heels where these women live ? 1605880;1484951966;mircea_popescu;(in other foot feetish, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/57/b0/01/57b0015ad31891623223dd5baa7dd010.jpg ) 1605881;1484952107;mircea_popescu;anyway. adult woman has specific talipes equinus variant, none of this "i grew up on farm and walked around barefoot on mud whole life" uma thurman style feet. 1605882;1484952788;ben_vulpes;augh 1605883;1484953051;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1605884;1484953433;ben_vulpes;that photo 1605885;1484954832;mircea_popescu;a a 1605886;1484955862;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/il-burbero/ << Trilema - Il Burbero 1605887;1484958112;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/trump-now-president-ushered-in-by-a-show/ << Qntra - Trump Now President, Ushered In By A Show 1605888;1484960305;thestringpuller;!#s blackhole trb 1605889;1484960324;ben_vulpes;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170120/#329 << on the subject of full text search: http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=fractal&c=chainstate 1605890;1484960324;scriba;Logged on 2017-01-20: [19:22:03] yeah :D yah my plan was to use postgres full text search (even though it may be overkill as phf once said), but it's just not high priority in my list. but i'd like to do it 1605891;1484960392;trinque;I have always really liked pink on gray. 1605892;1484960449;ben_vulpes;me too! my wardrobe is all black and my g2's all pink. 1605893;1484960521;ben_vulpes;anways i broke some links, but not many. i'll come back around later this weekend and drop references for phf's cross-referencer to pick up. 1605894;1484960731;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: couldn't seem to find current zoolag ip in logs. only managed to find `72.82.9.184` as the last known IP 1605895;1484966184;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/44118d0c3616cc025ecee969ca9d85cc/tumblr_nfighsgDNm1tq38vko1_1280.jpg 1605896;1484974892;BingoBoingo;In still others http://qntra.net/2017/01/police-clear-weapons-caches-in-dc-parks-ahead-of-trump-inauguration/#comment-84833 1605897;1484978982;asciilifeform;in other lelz, https://lavabit.com/?reloaded 1605898;1484979020;asciilifeform;sad. 1605899;1484979032;asciilifeform;d00d had , imho, promise. 1605900;1484979546;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 108.31.170.49 for quite a while now 1605901;1484990131;netmonk;http://joxa.org/ for all Lisp lovers around 1605902;1485007970;mircea_popescu;and in the innocence of youth, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8aea18e3369e73df6af65bebe572c11c/tumblr_ohexcbooSg1thdxyvo1_500.gif 1605903;1485008084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UYJWN/?raw=true 1605904;1485008107;mircea_popescu;i take it you missed the candi_lustt festivities netmonk ? 1605905;1485008260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the problem with the lavabit relaunch anyway ? 1605906;1485008991;BingoBoingo;Endorsements: https://i.imgur.com/LokQAvH.jpg 1605907;1485009173;mircea_popescu;bwahgaga 1605908;1485009205;mircea_popescu;srsly, the official dyi kit of the mexican footbal team ? who the everloving came up with this. 1605909;1485009242;mircea_popescu;and why do they keep trying to peddle these idiotic battery powered shits. "half hour recharge". bitch... just put a cord on it wtf, 0.3 microsecond recharge on that one 1605910;1485009326;mircea_popescu;netmonk omg wtf who the fuck will "drop a binary executable in his path". 1605911;1485010453;BingoBoingo;lol 1605912;1485010534;BingoBoingo; srsly, the official dyi kit of the mexican footbal team ? who the everloving came up with this. << The bigger point is that company found appealing to Mexicans in America was worth alientating the other demographics. The lulz. 1605913;1485010580;mircea_popescu;i don't think thought went into this 1605914;1485021422;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it 1605915;1485021459;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-21#1605905 << the original concept (one box is pwned by usg, everybody dies) was borderline retarded. and the text of the 'reloaded' pitch, underscores this 1605916;1485021459;a111;Logged on 2017-01-21 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem with the lavabit relaunch anyway ? 1605917;1485021530;asciilifeform;silent, automated rsatrons, in any way shape or form, especially 'end-to-end secure, yet flexible enough to allow users to continue using their email without a Ph.D. in cryptology.' is... 1605918;1485021557;asciilifeform;'Today, the democratic power we transfer to keep identities safe is our own. ' 1605919;1485021566;asciilifeform;barfalicious. 1605920;1485022038;netmonk;mircea_popescu: yes you are right, i dont know what candi_lustt relates to 1605921;1485022126;mircea_popescu;i thought he said federated w/e that means 1605922;1485022156;mircea_popescu;anyway, sales copy is no basis for technical judgement. 1605923;1485022176;mircea_popescu;netmonk it's a lisp repl boty 1605924;1485022224;mircea_popescu;and who the fuck gives out phds in "cryptology". is that even a field ? 1605925;1485022354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall how the original worked. 1605926;1485022369;asciilifeform;'crypto for the common man' etc. is a leper's bell. 1605927;1485022380;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever used it. anyway, run of the mill email provider, remarkable because loud refusal to hand over cert keys or some such 1605928;1485022423;asciilifeform;about as remarkable as apple's 'loud refusal' in the iphone case. 1605929;1485022427;asciilifeform;and for same reason. 1605930;1485022438;mircea_popescu;more or less. i dunno the guy so i dunno reason, 1605931;1485022449;mircea_popescu;this is the one with the 4pt font key is he ? 1605932;1485022462;asciilifeform;i also do not know him. aside from the trial, with the 4pt key, yes. 1605933;1485022471;mircea_popescu;where it came out the fbi no longer can acquire the skills of a qualified typist for half a day at any price 1605934;1485022480;asciilifeform;one one hand 'hero', on other hand he is the kind of 'hero' who creates the disaster to 'rescue' from in the first place. 1605935;1485022501;mircea_popescu;i really dunno that it matters either way. who the fuck even uses email anymore. 1605936;1485022515;asciilifeform;apparently -- snowden did. 1605937;1485022529;mircea_popescu;well did. knuth also, did 1605938;1485022553;mircea_popescu;all email /me sent in the past 6 months or so, all dozen pieces of it or thereabouts went out from dtrump@whitehouse.gov 1605939;1485022555;mircea_popescu;maximal lulz. 1605940;1485022588;asciilifeform;lel i still remember sending from bclinton@wh 1605941;1485022602;asciilifeform;good times. 1605942;1485022656;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat. 1605943;1485022724;mircea_popescu;The page on climate change was replaced with a page entitled “An America First Energy Plan” that ignores climate change entirely and says, “President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule.” 1605944;1485022726;mircea_popescu;awww. 1605945;1485022753;mircea_popescu;check it out, mp was right "by mistake" again! dat climate change! hurr! 1605946;1485026307;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: reminds me of spiky hair fad from 90s 1605947;1485026375;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: couple other wh pages removed in addition to climate change. 'lbgt rights' also went poof. mega lulz. 1605948;1485026493;pete_dushenski;https://blog.malwarebytes.com/threat-analysis/2017/01/new-mac-backdoor-using-antiquated-code/ << lulzy mostly for notions of 'old code' 1605949;1485026815;pete_dushenski;wtf is this women's march bullshit. seriously. buncha herpyderpy broads had their chance to matter with bahamas and then with shillary. they can't actually believe that anyone cares anymore 1605950;1485026927;trinque;they'll stop when somebody makes 'em, like all things 1605951;1485026943;*;trinque looks out window, doesn't see anybody marching 1605952;1485026950;trinque;so I'm not gonna stop them 1605953;1485026954;trinque;too many lulz 1605954;1485027014;trinque;I saw a pretty good sign some chick was holding on some rag earlier... "Women are perfect" 1605955;1485027027;trinque;oh, ok lady. 1605956;1485027033;pete_dushenski;lulzier because there's too many winninz out for them to be all paid. so there's a whole horde of hussies making signs and going hoarse... for free. 1605957;1485027079;pete_dushenski;~everyone~ is perfect and ~especially~ women (tm) 1605958;1485027109;trinque;no way, not you whiteboy 1605959;1485027111;pete_dushenski;because there's degrees of perfection, you see, it's not the absolute pinnacle in and of itself 1605960;1485027148;pete_dushenski;didn't we do this "jews ain't white" thing already 1605961;1485027164;ben_vulpes;i was considering going 1605962;1485027171;ben_vulpes;but then a light bulb went out in a piece of hardware 1605963;1485027176;trinque;oh right, you get a squirt of the minority juice I guess 1605964;1485027176;ben_vulpes;mmm, priorities. 1605965;1485027182;trinque;lol 1605966;1485027193;ben_vulpes;also, nobody wanted to be seen near a sign saying "everything should be free" 1605967;1485027213;ben_vulpes;makes them very uncomfortable and they don't quite understand why. 1605968;1485027248;ben_vulpes;"water should be free!" "yes!" "education should be free!" "yes!" "food should be free!" "yesss" "wine should be free!" "hang on a sec" 1605969;1485027296;trinque;what happened to sex should be free 1605970;1485027304;trinque;didn't the ancestors of those people have that one? 1605971;1485027306;pete_dushenski;zher is free 1605972;1485027320;pete_dushenski;or was that gender. i get them confuxed. 1605973;1485027360;ben_vulpes;sex should be free is lulzy but you quickly veer into the "wait but most men aren't worth the lubrication" 1605974;1485027391;ben_vulpes;it can be a humorous bridge into the property rights thread 1605975;1485027440;ben_vulpes;"i want a boat, are boats free?" "sure, baby! free boats!" "but what about the people who make the boats, shouldn't they get compensated for their labor?" "you mean their COERCED LABOR? in world of free, nobody works who doesn't want to work, and we all work for the joy of it!" "wait but then how do boats get made" 1605976;1485027459;ben_vulpes;"not my problem, i just want free shit." 1605977;1485027522;ben_vulpes;reduce taxes, increase the debt ceiling, pay for everyone to have everything fuckit #yolo 1605978;1485027704;pete_dushenski;that strategy only lasts for as long as you have wrc status or hard money escape hatch. otherwise you end up 'investing' in persian rugs and rusting peugeots because they hold their value better than the alternatives. 1605979;1485027727;pete_dushenski;see contemporary iran, argentina 1605980;1485027949;pete_dushenski;unless you fancy yourself a better thief than your neighbours, in which case you'll still end up ahead. so i guess there's that. 1605981;1485028028;ben_vulpes;wrc? 1605982;1485028055;pete_dushenski;world reserve currency (or world rally championship). former in this context. 1605983;1485028076;ben_vulpes;psh i'm not saying it's a winning strategy for maga 1605984;1485028094;pete_dushenski;http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/vw-wrc-rally-car-1.jpg << my prefered flavour of wrc 1605985;1485028189;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: for sure. just winning strategy for mbga. and that may well be. i can certainly see it. 1605986;1485028539;ben_vulpes;"make ben great again"? 1605987;1485028551;pete_dushenski;aha 1605988;1485028652;ben_vulpes;yeah, general thesis is bankrupt the state and hedge against success with bitcoin and old servers 1605989;1485028684;pete_dushenski;in other greats, trump is still using his personal twitter handle instead of '@potus', which has dropped from 13.1mn followers to 5.3mn in the last day. bots left with bahamas apparently. 1605990;1485028716;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: should work. 1605991;1485049457;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8CC663FE63536EC332E3F85188EB7B3C92292D436B90B60EF4279BD7F9125614 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1598...2219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.6.10.189 (ssh-rsa key from 187.6.10.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR) 1605992;1485049457;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8CC663FE63536EC332E3F85188EB7B3C92292D436B90B60EF4279BD7F9125614 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1506...2357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.6.10.189 (ssh-rsa key from 187.6.10.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown BR) 1605993;1485050537;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F204C464B3FDAEF7DA2D13BAEC63ED44D156F86F2668AB8046FE2F5F404B875E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1656...4737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.88.100.71 (ssh-rsa key from 195.88.100.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (theknowledgevine.net. GB LIV ENG) 1605994;1485050537;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F204C464B3FDAEF7DA2D13BAEC63ED44D156F86F2668AB8046FE2F5F404B875E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1588...6029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.88.100.71 (ssh-rsa key from 195.88.100.71 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (theknowledgevine.net. GB LIV ENG) 1605995;1485050680;BingoBoingo;Ah, phucing noises, best noises 1605996;1485051945;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-21#1605954 << i dunno, i've seen some engines that lost oil monthly and i didn't think they were all that perfect. 1605997;1485051945;a111;Logged on 2017-01-21 19:30 trinque: I saw a pretty good sign some chick was holding on some rag earlier... "Women are perfect" 1605998;1485052006;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-21#1605968 << blowjobs. and being quiet. and leaving after. and make a sammich. 1605999;1485052006;a111;Logged on 2017-01-21 19:34 ben_vulpes: "water should be free!" "yes!" "education should be free!" "yes!" "food should be free!" "yesss" "wine should be free!" "hang on a sec" 1606000;1485052087;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-21#1605989 << ahaha 1606001;1485052087;a111;Logged on 2017-01-21 19:58 pete_dushenski: in other greats, trump is still using his personal twitter handle instead of '@potus', which has dropped from 13.1mn followers to 5.3mn in the last day. bots left with bahamas apparently. 1606002;1485056749;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/retired-us-legislator-tom-tancredo-thanks-hussein-bahamas-for-making-trump-presidency-happen/ << Qntra - Retired US Legislator Tom Tancredo Thanks Hussein Bahamas For Making Trump Presidency Happen 1606003;1485057866;BingoBoingo;Oh noes! https://archive.is/mvp3g 1606004;1485058716;BingoBoingo;In classic Trilema http://trilema.com/2014/hitler-mp/ 1606005;1485063981;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/walks-among-the-congenitally-weird/ << Trilema - Walks among the congenitally weird. 1606006;1485064106;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lelz 1606007;1485087521;Framedragger;news from vc, the cockmail and cockbox guy: https://vc.gg/blog/so-its-been-a-while.html 1606008;1485089781;mircea_popescu;yea he kinda disappeared did he 1606009;1485089816;mircea_popescu;sadly his page doesn't load. 1606010;1485090107;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/0jncM << the imaginary "america" in which rolling stone mag is still a thing, wounded most grievously. 1606011;1485090144;mircea_popescu;it's kind of funny to watch unintelligent narcissists observe their solipsist bubble popping. "oh the thing that didn't exist didn't exist and the random element which happened to pop it IS TO BLAME" 1606012;1485090230;mircea_popescu;totally. it's not like "america" in the swj sense hasn't ever existed ; nor that rolling stone stopped mattering about the time mtv started airing. no, no, it's just that trump, thirty fucking years late to the party, "ruined" "things". what things ? the things hacks squatting an abandoned trade magazine hallucinated & confabulated into being, those things! 1606013;1485090257;Framedragger;re. vc blog, he's using a let's encrypt cert, and archive.is doesn't seem to like that cert also. :/ 1606014;1485090266;mircea_popescu;sucks for him i guess. 1606015;1485090276;mircea_popescu;but hey, people may choose to go offline for all sorts of reasons. 1606016;1485090286;Framedragger;ya 1606017;1485090569;mircea_popescu;how the fuck they manage to go through that lengthy opus on "constitutional violations" without for a second stopping to point out that the ONLY reason this is possible is because THEY forced an idiot into the office because he happened to be mulatto is anyone's guess. seriously, nobody over at rolling stone notices this ? eight years of bahamas pissing on the constitution is what allows everyone else now to do the same ? 1606018;1485090586;Framedragger;(rehosted that particular post of his here: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/vc-21-jan-2017.html i don't think he'll mind. apparently he took a vacation after they seized his equipment) 1606019;1485090602;mircea_popescu;i kinda lost interest myself. 1606020;1485092008;BingoBoingo;lol @ rogue pineapple 1606021;1485092030;BingoBoingo;Sago palms have that effect 1606022;1485092061;mircea_popescu;aha. pretty cool huh 1606023;1485092125;mircea_popescu;dude these "responsive" web 2.0 ajax site are a sad display. 1606024;1485092174;mircea_popescu;quora page has been loading for > 20 seconds now, doing half a dozen post requests in tyhe process. what the fuck hayseeds must one have for brains to do a POST on page load holy shit, just build your pages correctly, there's absolutely no reason any webpage has to post without user interaction. 1606025;1485092210;mircea_popescu;1.2mb css file. really ? 200kb FONT. not fonts. one. it loads multiple. why the fuck ? 1606026;1485092458;Framedragger;quora is ~cancer in my books, and i have higher tolerance level than say alf. so that tells ya something :D but seriously, quora is a ridiculous site run by a ridiculous "company". to quote maciej / idlewords, "Quora's declared competitor is Wikipedia, a free site that not only doesn't make revenue, but loses so much money they have to ask for donations just to be broke. Recently, Quora raised $80 million in new funding at a $900 milli 1606027;1485092471;Framedragger;"on in new funding at a $900 million valuation. Their stated reason for taking the money was to postpone having to think about revenue. " 1606028;1485092490;Framedragger;"Quora walked in to an investor meeting, stated these facts as plainly as I have, and walked out with a check for eighty million dollars. That's the power of investor storytime. " 1606029;1485092648;mircea_popescu;aha. 1606030;1485092657;mircea_popescu;i'm clubbing them one in current piece, also. 1606031;1485094829;Framedragger;hey mircea_popescu, you still got a bunch of ipv4 addresses available? are they under a single /16? i may be interested in purchasing/leasing them from you for a non-tmsr related project 1606032;1485094849;Framedragger;(ideally they'd be scattered around, not under single block) 1606033;1485094850;mircea_popescu;how does this make sense ? 1606034;1485094899;Framedragger;if by chance you actually 'own' them in the sense of having your contact info there in ripe db, they can be 'transferred'. i haven't done it before tho so may be talking nonsense? 1606035;1485094918;Framedragger;ah, maybe you just have some addresses under some hosting provider account? 1606036;1485094923;mircea_popescu;yes but i don't particularly want money nor am i interested in supporting non-tmsr anything. so there's no upside for me whatsoever. 1606037;1485094948;Framedragger;ah, i laboured under the assumption that small money is still money :p yeah i understand. 1606038;1485094965;*;Framedragger wonders if can relate project to tmsr interests somehow 1606039;1485094983;mircea_popescu;lmao what an approach 1606040;1485095229;Framedragger;(project is to build a 'roboadvisor' for real estate. use past real estate purchase price data to build time series, also use near-realtime rental data, combine all into a training set for a model which predicts what's worth to invest in. (not my project idea but i'll be doing some dev work for it.) will need to scrape things which don't particularly like to be scraped. need addresses. "make real estate more transparent") 1606041;1485095248;Framedragger;) 1606042;1485095315;Framedragger;(interestingly enough, very little movement in this area. not that i believe in "we'll disrupt the whole industri!!!" startupy nonsense.) 1606043;1485095330;mircea_popescu;so talk to the spammers, buy a server farm setup with a few dozen ips and use it for your purpose purpose. as you won't get blacklisted nobody will give a shit. bout $50/ip/month is where the market is now, can readily bill your employer triple and if he won't pay ditch him on the spot. 1606044;1485095366;Framedragger;that's good advice, thank you :) 1606045;1485095370;mircea_popescu;yw. 1606046;1485095819;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ << Trilema - Global Warming on Triton 1606047;1485097694;adlai;Framedragger: uh, you're talking to mp, not some l2 shmuck who just self-ups for random retorts. small money flows in one direction only, afaict. 1606048;1485097768;Framedragger;well, maybe he treats his ipv4 assets the same way he treats outstanding paypal cents, i.e. something he may prefer to get rid of. :) but that was an uninformed assumption of mine 1606049;1485106244;mircea_popescu;!!up indiancandy 1606050;1485106244;deedbot;indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. 1606051;1485106270;indiancandy;hey mp 1606052;1485106313;mircea_popescu;how goes 1606053;1485106354;shinohai;hiya indiancandy 1606054;1485106476;indiancandy;hi 1606055;1485106569;shinohai;busy! >.> 1606056;1485106871;mircea_popescu;lol is she avoiding you nao ? 1606057;1485106989;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in productivity news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/34f9916ceaf2633fe692bfba6ba87593/tumblr_o8t4peL9jT1vuzv79o2_540.gif 1606058;1485107428;mircea_popescu;idly going through older trilemas we come upon http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-181.0-178.2 wherein mp predicts "go doesn't have a decade left in it", in 2014. 1606059;1485108002;shinohai;she likes skype instead of irc 1606060;1485108071;*;mircea_popescu installed king's bounty. anyone played that ? (katauri interactive) 1606061;1485123517;BingoBoingo;lol, the butt stretch reverses https://archive.is/oWc52 1606062;1485123846;BingoBoingo;"He said Bill Clinton “sold us out with that NAFTA crap.” He said George W. Bush had “f----d us good.” He said Obama’s eight years “sucked.” He called Hillary Clinton “a mean ol’ heifer.”" 1606063;1485123924;BingoBoingo;“It’ll be turmoil for four years. He’s like a firecracker in a keg of dynamite.” 1606064;1485123926;BingoBoingo;"Why, then, I wondered, did he vote for him?" 1606065;1485123926;BingoBoingo;"He put down his brandy in a plastic cup and looked at me." 1606066;1485123926;BingoBoingo;“Why not?” he said flatly. “Let it blow.” 1606067;1485124656;phf;these fucking people. so i've been traveling through red states past two years, and the sentiment was ~very~ clear. north carolina, south carolina, alaska, ohio, pennsylvania. shit, every other uber driver told me the same thing 1606068;1485124714;phf;i can kind of grok how my bethesda, maryland acquaintances didn't see it coming, but you live next door to blue collars, and you can't see it? 1606069;1485124782;phf;"they don't come here" "we don't go there" 1606070;1485125050;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1606071;1485125059;phf;BingoBoingo's article 1606072;1485125070;mircea_popescu;a 1606073;1485125120;BingoBoingo;phf well Facebook causes such blindness 1606074;1485125146;mircea_popescu;"i always only read text that agrees with me" 1606075;1485125163;mircea_popescu;"surprisingly, this comes at a cost" 1606076;1485133629;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7AFCB319BA5F87300D36645CC29652B8350BDA7B93FFCEAB37D84668D2E9B5DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8888...4329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.5.87 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.5.87 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1606077;1485133629;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7AFCB319BA5F87300D36645CC29652B8350BDA7B93FFCEAB37D84668D2E9B5DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1154...8897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.5.87 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.5.87 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1606078;1485138430;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B20C529ADA447D5C133C8790367D09EB87B6541A0CD34BBC088A89297C05FB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1753...5377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.37.195.2 (ssh-rsa key from 89.37.195.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RO CV) 1606079;1485138430;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B20C529ADA447D5C133C8790367D09EB87B6541A0CD34BBC088A89297C05FB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1691...6333 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.37.195.2 (ssh-rsa key from 89.37.195.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RO CV) 1606080;1485138940;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7AFCB319BA5F87300D36645CC29652B8350BDA7B93FFCEAB37D84668D2E9B5DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8888...4329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.5.87 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.5.87 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1606081;1485138940;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF285CE5C4B0EE19C83F8D94DB19C7C64CB6E860615DECE9AF352E6605983707 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8888...4329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.29 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1606082;1485138941;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF285CE5C4B0EE19C83F8D94DB19C7C64CB6E860615DECE9AF352E6605983707 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8708...5413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.29 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1606083;1485139046;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1606084;1485140980;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: I'm not Batman - http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=108.31.170.49 - how am I to make such a deduction? 1606085;1485141005;thestringpuller;zoolag : 108.31.170.49 << for future reference :P 1606086;1485143281;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=108.31.170.49 1606087;1485144972;deedbot;http://thestringpuller.com/2017/01/now-go-and-get-your-money-lil-duffle-bag-boy/ << Pull Your Own Strings - Now Go and Get Your Money Lil Duffle Bag Boy 1606088;1485144992;thestringpuller;^- in reference to your duffle bag full of benjies asciilifeform 1606089;1485145782;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7908B9854EE3FA9CD4C48F46B3A5D25DEDBC62A8637BCB2CAF14EAC405739C66 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1418...2423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.104.21.234 (ssh-rsa key from 79.104.21.234 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1606090;1485145782;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7908B9854EE3FA9CD4C48F46B3A5D25DEDBC62A8637BCB2CAF14EAC405739C66 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1541...9823 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.104.21.234 (ssh-rsa key from 79.104.21.234 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU) 1606091;1485146113;phf;what dat button doo 1606092;1485148890;adlai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/19B0HZY.txt 1606093;1485148983;*;adlai places faith in log-based delivery and nudges shinohai on his way to class 1606094;1485149152;phf;apropos, http://btcbase.org/log/?nick=phf will highlight all the messages from and to nick (it's half baked, like it doesn't get preserved when you switch pages, but i have the logs bookmarked that way, so that i can see if i got mentioned at a glance) 1606095;1485149164;BingoBoingo;ty adlai 1606096;1485149233;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-up-amazing-16-64-as-usual-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Up Amazing 16.64% (As Usual Another All Time High) 1606097;1485151228;phf;thestringpuller: i have just the bag for you http://draughtdrygoods.tumblr.com/post/51029383094/draught-dry-goods-getaway-duffel-in-unwashed 1606098;1485152318;davout;"I designed it to hold one million dollars in cash, and that’s why it’s named The Getaway Duffel." 1606099;1485165369;jurov;http://thenewstack.io/happens-use-java-1960-ibm-mainframe/ 1606100;1485165379;jurov;kek "But the data from the mainframes was actually arriving in less than six milliseconds. The bottleneck was — of course — the Java application." 1606101;1485165497;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/01/23/ordinary-trouble-of-an-euloran-explorer/ << Ossasepia - Ordinary trouble of an Euloran explorer 1606102;1485183233;mircea_popescu;in idle consideratons today : what are the odds random fat chick calls herself "unalocamas" ; and how do they stack against the odds random crazy chick calls herself "unagordamas" 1606103;1485183317;BingoBoingo;3? 1606104;1485183323;mircea_popescu;lol 1606105;1485183383;mircea_popescu;(the lulz here, for noobs, is that in classical medicine mental derangement was deemed a major driver of being fat) 1606106;1485185156;BingoBoingo;There's a reason why it's the classic explanation 1606107;1485186811;mircea_popescu;aha. 1606108;1485187133;asciilifeform;in other lulz: https://archive.is/THGQG >> 'Asked whether a missile had mis-fired, she said she was not going to get into "operational details" and would not say whether Mrs May had been told this. Questioned by the BBC's Andrew Marr on Sunday, Prime Minister Theresa May refused four times to say whether she had known about the test firing ahead of the vote. ... "There is a convention that we don't talk about the deterrent... because 1606109;1485187133;asciilifeform; that is the nature of the deterrent - it is about the security of this nation and I would fully support the prime minister in avoiding those questions," he said. A statement issued by Downing Street and the MoD said the capability and effectiveness of Trident was "unquestionable".' 1606110;1485187256;mircea_popescu;lol security of this nation. 1606111;1485187297;mircea_popescu;security from what ? the only enemy is already there ; and the only thing he'd ever do he's already doing, trading the 13yo not-yet-bloomed english roses like goats. 1606112;1485187310;mircea_popescu;exactly what does theresa may imagine she's protecting and from whom ? 1606113;1485187391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: protecting own neck from the noose, as per http://qntra.net/2017/01/the-fourth-reich-grips-berlin 1606114;1485187414;asciilifeform;trident is mandatory per britain's post-1945 role as 'airstrip one' 1606115;1485187418;mircea_popescu;myeah. what the fuck is with stupid people, keep picking deeply inadequate weapons ? 1606116;1485187431;asciilifeform;it isn't intended to ~work~, srsly 1606117;1485187438;asciilifeform;it is part of fellating usg. 1606118;1485187475;mircea_popescu;a nigger called theresa may misusing ancient and dysfunctional "nuclear weapons" is not substantially different from a nigger called antron singleton going from diner table to diner urinal with an antitank rocket launcher in each hand 1606119;1485187486;mircea_popescu;what the fuck are they gonna do with the hardware ? 1606120;1485188261;asciilifeform;strut, parade, for massah, what. 1606121;1485188271;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1606122;1485188308;mircea_popescu;you'd expect middle class middled aged white women are slightly above the nonsense, but i guess it's not the case for theresa may. 1606123;1485188436;asciilifeform;which nonsense. (traditionally) the handlers don't even let near the wheel, anybody who showed symptoms of having so much as latent ability to tell usg to pack it 1606124;1485188467;asciilifeform;and when an orc does -- out he goes. like kaddafi, yanukovych, et al. 1606125;1485188467;mircea_popescu;she really got nothing better to do with her time than dancing for nickels ? 1606126;1485188750;BingoBoingo;Obviously not 1606127;1485189217;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh. 1606128;1485189243;mircea_popescu;place aspires to be an empire, best it can produce is a tacticool newb. 1606129;1485189259;asciilifeform;empire eaten and digested long ago. 1606130;1485189295;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/19B0HZY.txt 1606131;1485189295;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1606132;1485189368;shinohai;!~later tell adlai we square now? 1606133;1485189368;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1606134;1485189382;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ty 1606135;1485189402;shinohai;o7 1606136;1485189406;shinohai;qntra incoming 1606137;1485189510;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1YaPo/?raw=true 1606138;1485189510;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1606139;1485189690;BingoBoingo;shinohai: The peter jokes are good, but the mentioned peter's just aren't people enough. 1606140;1485189720;BingoBoingo;Unless maybe rewritted. 1606141;1485189738;shinohai;hmmm kk 1606142;1485189786;BingoBoingo;Prolly a better way to rewrite it. 1606143;1485189846;BingoBoingo;Also when linking wot'd persons feel free to link to wot.deedbot.org 1606144;1485189920;shinohai;mb 1606145;1485190380;BingoBoingo;Also if nobodies are to be talked about, "Who they think they are" is helpful. 1606146;1485191553;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6338 1606147;1485192189;thestringpuller;!~ticker 1606148;1485192190;jhvh1;thestringpuller: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 919.98, Best ask: 919.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 919.99, 24 hour volume: 10491.57906088, 24 hour low: 910.01, 24 hour high: 928.87, 24 hour vwap: None 1606149;1485193676;BingoBoingo;In the tabloids http://www.returnofkings.com/113272/man-who-sucker-punched-alt-right-leader-richard-spencer-may-literally-be-a-shit-eating-cuckhold 1606150;1485193814;trinque;chick needs to eat better 1606151;1485193816;trinque;those look dry 1606152;1485193826;BingoBoingo;lol 1606153;1485196063;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/W0FIQ << in other lulz. 'Western Union admits to aiding wire fraud, to pay $586 mln' 1606154;1485196074;asciilifeform;'Western Union Co, the world's biggest money-transfer company, agreed to pay $586 million and admitted to turning a blind eye as criminals used its service for money laundering and fraud, U.S. authorities said on Thursday. Western Union, which has over half a million locations in more than 200 countries, admitted "to aiding and abetting wire fraud" by allowing scammers to process transactions, even when the company realized its agent 1606155;1485196074;asciilifeform;s were helping scammers avoid detection, the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission said in statements.' 1606156;1485196133;mircea_popescu;gotta pay for them f69s somehow 1606157;1485197542;phf;or in the words of monkey dust "Hello, I'm Ivan Dobsky. I'm the Meatsafe Murderer, only I never done it. I only said I'd done so they'd take the jump cables off me testicles." 1606158;1485199435;phf;namecheap just lost my domain records. i would not have known about it, if fastmail didn't send me a notification, that mx records have changed.. 1606159;1485199465;phf;"sincerely most honestly sorries, due to technical glitch, but all fixed noa!!1" 1606160;1485199602;trinque;the same happened to me; they then reverted me to a quite old version of them. 1606161;1485199849;phf;wtf "Welcome to Namecheap.com. Dear Customer, Thank you very much for signing up with us..." 1606162;1485200133;mircea_popescu;namecheap.com, the world's biggest functiona ux ajax website, agreed to pay $randomnumber and admitted to being unable to safely store data even as idiots fucked around on the lone dnssec-mysql server. 1606163;1485200144;mircea_popescu;or wait, that's from an alt-universe. 1606164;1485200666;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2017/if-it-was-my-daughter/ << Daniel P. Barron - If it was my daughter 1606165;1485201702;thestringpuller;namecheap has fallen to the bottom of the barrel. i only stay with them because the cost of migrating the domain is about the same as 3 years of having the domain... 1606166;1485201723;thestringpuller;everyone wants to use the comcast business model of annoying you out of your money 1606167;1485202417;asciilifeform;there is afaik no useful reason to migrate, dnsism is a straight 'strip mine' business model (lure in chumps, then turn scammer and fleece'em) afaik. 1606168;1485202432;asciilifeform;every registrar i know of, has followed this pattern. 1606169;1485202450;asciilifeform;and given as the good being sold is fundamentally chumpatronic, not mega-surprise. 1606170;1485208037;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??) 1606171;1485208037;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1606172;1485208529;danielpbarron;!!v 78F16E772CDFAA9AD99D087F4E5E4E2CD7F4458CE54CA469D8742979D15EE13A 1606173;1485208529;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 5 to 4 << Absence does not always make the heart grow fonder 1606174;1485208695;danielpbarron;!!v 5C2BBA883543231B1C242C5A8D859B2899C54D534416192AAD2E22CFBDDC6B78 1606175;1485208696;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 2 << Obnoxiously dedicated to republican memes and a promoter of false religions 1606176;1485208809;danielpbarron;!!v 5293AE0C7F3EC843419131EEE4D4829A5B0D2AB307E777368E7559F68BACFA12 1606177;1485208809;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of diana_coman from 3 to 4 << Anyway a shrewd negotiator anyway 1606178;1485208836;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: i'm a bit surprised a segwit stoolie ranks as positive in your book 1606179;1485208857;ben_vulpes;and in other news, trumpreich out of the tpp eh? 1606180;1485208893;mircea_popescu;what is a tpp ? 1606181;1485208913;ben_vulpes;"trans pacific partnership" 1606182;1485208928;mircea_popescu;a. yeah he been making noises about it for 6 mo 1606183;1485208956;ben_vulpes;an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you 1606184;1485208970;danielpbarron;!!v 97CDE502F95CBAC273D486434FB5400BE611BCE2C3F9BD74DF7328C37A7E7952 1606185;1485208970;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of pete_dushenski from 3 to 2 << Any pride is too much pride 1606186;1485208975;mircea_popescu;now this is tru 1606187;1485209025;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes, giving benefit of doubt; she's being loyal to her son's father, should just be making the case in here rather than elsewhere 1606188;1485209055;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you're not seriously talking about bb's aa are you ? 1606189;1485209067;danielpbarron;yes. 1606190;1485209101;mircea_popescu;well ? chicks loyal to her son's father which didn't do much for her yet nevertheless bb shouldn't be allowed to like the club that fixed a problem for him ? 1606191;1485209142;danielpbarron;!!v E9A94DDE6A3B14ED1852BCC7AB86F43BB5AF4AD207C78C7E8ECF08C2B0353A40 1606192;1485209142;deedbot;danielpbarron unrated Gaxaro. 1606193;1485209155;ben_vulpes;segwit is an assault on bitcoin, no two ways about it. 1606194;1485209172;ben_vulpes;by extension, the republic. 1606195;1485209178;danielpbarron;it fixed nothing. while drinking he hated the true God and while sober he hates the true God 1606196;1485209210;danielpbarron;maybe even worse off now that he ~thinks~ he is well 1606197;1485209231;mircea_popescu;this ironically mirrors my impression of segwit. 1606198;1485209295;danielpbarron;she'll end up negative eventually, or maybe try to remedy the situation 1606199;1485209345;mircea_popescu;anyway, i thought aa people were very gingerly careful to not say they're a religion. 1606200;1485209380;danielpbarron;!v D08C935276B078DB9FCD6FCFFC1725FCDFE77A87164F568A73E7F128C59A09AC 1606201;1485209388;danielpbarron;!!v D08C935276B078DB9FCD6FCFFC1725FCDFE77A87164F568A73E7F128C59A09AC 1606202;1485209388;deedbot;danielpbarron unrated bagels7. 1606203;1485209501;danielpbarron;bb and I discussed this in the log already http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244 1606204;1485209501;a111;Logged on 2016-01-20 04:34 danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/aa.html >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one. 1606205;1485209621;danielpbarron;!!v E783F13C77B0F80A23DA7357716484EF04FCF8FADD87F6ACBD5FF5DE21FE9F4A 1606206;1485209621;deedbot;danielpbarron unrated bcb. 1606207;1485209739;danielpbarron;!!v F9407466EACD2DF0AB7613A0BB85C42BAB11CC56985173679FEAAF664ED5246F 1606208;1485209739;deedbot;danielpbarron unrated cazalla. 1606209;1485209837;danielpbarron;!!v E6194BF73BDCE6273CCAEED1BB91D315550E87DB7C986B418342770D88FD7224 1606210;1485209837;deedbot;danielpbarron unrated fghj. 1606211;1485209929;danielpbarron;!!v 5170ABCB99A79A5275A0C25C0B5F4CA3D2F2EAAAAEB2A8D79A25A21EA35D1E6C 1606212;1485209929;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of ben_vulpes from 1 to 3 << Very friendly helpful and patient 1606213;1485210051;danielpbarron;!!v FF2C824B7253D2A3AE982D34A2C04D1F78A01CF756F67495EA13AEE70F640411 1606214;1485210051;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of shinohai from 1 to 2 << Puts in the work 1606215;1485210095;shinohai;why ty danielpbarron 1606216;1485210162;danielpbarron;!!v 51D2B9F25AAC0CC96F61FC023665A31D343DFC408C206172E2F946ABBB6FAD0B 1606217;1485210163;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of phf from -1 to 1 << Pays attention 1606218;1485210170;ben_vulpes;patient heh 1606219;1485210277;danielpbarron;!!v B1AE766C409CE01704FBDD068D262C79885D5B22D8C8C020E1BC842A221C75A4 1606220;1485210277;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of trinque from 2 to 1 << Quick to anger 1606221;1485210301;danielpbarron;got a lot more unrates but maybe i'll keep those out of the chan as it's mostly just cleaning out names that i haven't seen in years 1606222;1485210532;trinque;!!v 35BE6FD444EDADCA0D04E3D681106E8E31D791197B44DB40CF2D763EEE61E732 1606223;1485210532;deedbot;trinque rated BingoBoingo 1 << Ye shall know them by their memes. 1606224;1485210645;asciilifeform;in other nooze, https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1096 1606225;1485210691;asciilifeform;^ arbitrary code execution. 1606226;1485210706;asciilifeform;'Cisco's WebEx extension (jlhmfgmfgeifomenelglieieghnjghma) has ~20M active users, and is part of Cisco's popular web conferencing software. The extension works on any URL that contains the magic pattern "cwcsf-nativemsg-iframe-43c85c0d-d633-af5e-c056-32dc7efc570b.html", which can be extracted from the extensions manifest. Note that the pattern can occur in an iframe, so there is not necessarily any user-visible indication of what is 1606227;1485210706;asciilifeform; happening, visiting any website would be enough.' 1606228;1485210730;asciilifeform;'The extension uses nativeMessaging, so this magic string is enough for any website to execute arbitrary code (!!).' 1606229;1485210860;mircea_popescu;ciscos's popular web conferincing software ? sorry ? 1606230;1485210886;mircea_popescu;no fucking way. IF it has 20k users it's a wonder. and those 20k users are indians doing vaguely anal sexthings to each other. 1606231;1485210969;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'webex' is pestilentially common in usa. 1606232;1485210991;asciilifeform;~ubiquitous, among the Professionally Sad. 1606233;1485210992;mircea_popescu;these are unrelated items. 1606234;1485211015;asciilifeform;waiwat 1606235;1485211026;mircea_popescu;there aren'ty 20mn professionally sad, you understand. 1606236;1485211077;mircea_popescu;moreover, they're inactive by definition. 1606237;1485211447;asciilifeform;whatever they are -- they're pwnable, silently and cleanly, for probably quite a while. 1606238;1485211636;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. 1606239;1485217447;mats;https://huwieler.net/2017/01/18/chelsea-manning-in-basic-combat-training << luls, guy that went to BCT with Manning says he was a little bitch even then 1606240;1485217524;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606203 << There is only a daily repreive contingent on improving one's spiritual condition 1606241;1485217524;a111;Logged on 2017-01-23 22:11 danielpbarron: bb and I discussed this in the log already http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244 1606242;1485217613;mats;my time in OSUT was a breeze and mostly an exercise in schadenfreude, its a cake walk unless you're mentally unstable or a fatbody 1606243;1485217753;mats;worst part was not having anything mentally stimulating to do, i had to ask people to send me books in the mail so i could read something besides labels on shampoo bottles and the fucking bible 1606244;1485217900;mats;i went to all of the religious services - even the one for wiccans - to collect reading materials and sleep in the pews 1606245;1485217912;asciilifeform;mats: they give'em time to read bibles?!! 1606246;1485217951;ben_vulpes;mats: how many times have you read the old testament? 1606247;1485217966;mats;asciilifeform: a coupla hours per day were dedicated just to standing around waiting for shit to happen, ie, waiting for the cattle trucks to appear so they could shuttle recruits to the training sites 1606248;1485217974;danielpbarron;oh boy Bible talk :D 1606249;1485217984;mats;ben_vulpes: i grew up in the church, so... i lost count 1606250;1485217985;asciilifeform;mats: sounds like heaven 1606251;1485218002;asciilifeform;mats: you could play chess in your head! etc 1606252;1485218030;mats;its mind numbing, i did actually play chess on paper as a mental exercise for some weeks 1606253;1485218096;mats;e4 e5 ... f3 c6 ... etc. looking back it does feel like i kinda slept through most of it, standing up 1606254;1485218106;ben_vulpes;mats: ah well i can see how it'd be less than riveting then 1606255;1485218196;mats;the best part was watching fatties get yelled at and smoked for being unable to complete exercises 1606256;1485218351;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606168 << this will be VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH but amazon's registration and dns record handling is entirely adequate 1606257;1485218351;a111;Logged on 2017-01-23 20:13 asciilifeform: every registrar i know of, has followed this pattern. 1606258;1485218372;*;danielpbarron uses zoneedit 1606259;1485218452;danielpbarron;used to be a very nice qntra-esque interface but "upgraded" to web2.0 a few years ago. 1606260;1485218495;shinohai;ah interesting danielpbarron 1606261;1485218508;ben_vulpes;aws console is very heavy on the javascript, but light on the ux 1606262;1485218558;danielpbarron;i only have the one domain and it doesn't need changing so I rarely have to actually use the thing 1606263;1485218565;shinohai;!~bible 1 Corinthians 13 4-8 1606264;1485218567;jhvh1;shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax. 1606265;1485218592;shinohai;!~bible 1 Cor 13 4-8 1606266;1485218593;jhvh1;shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax. 1606267;1485218594;shinohai;? 1606268;1485218596;shinohai;f 1606269;1485218603;danielpbarron;you sure you want to print 5 lines? 1606270;1485218646;ben_vulpes;"this is my domain. there are many like it, but this one is mine." 1606271;1485218658;danielpbarron;if you could find a NKJV to put in there, it would keep most things on a single line, but KJV is always 1 verse 1 line 1606272;1485218670;danielpbarron;but anyway it's 1 Cor 13:4-8 1606273;1485218673;ben_vulpes;one man, one verse, one vote, one line 1606274;1485218678;shinohai;!~bible 1 Corinthians 13:8 1606275;1485218680;jhvh1;shinohai: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 13:8 :: Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 1606276;1485218704;shinohai;thats it i was checking if it banned > 3 lines! :D 1606277;1485218705;ben_vulpes;heh 1606278;1485218725;danielpbarron;shinohai, it didn't. you need a colon between chapter and verse(s) 1606279;1485218726;ben_vulpes;i made people read corinthians at standup for a while 1606280;1485218810;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606183 << watch peanut gallery take 360 on tpp, since trump did it 1606281;1485218810;a111;Logged on 2017-01-23 22:02 ben_vulpes: an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you 1606282;1485218827;shinohai;ty 1606283;1485218898;shinohai;but no, more than 5 lines is reserved for private channels 1606284;1485218976;ben_vulpes;phf: tpp would have saved clitorises and improved livelihoods of innumerable foreign brown people 1606285;1485218977;ben_vulpes;you racist 1606286;1485219116;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: does it work with non-aws servers? 1606287;1485219364;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you can point whatever record at whichever ip 1606288;1485219381;asciilifeform;sooo wat's the catch 1606289;1485219399;ben_vulpes;you have to give jeff bezos money? 1606290;1485219438;ben_vulpes;by my read it's a small side thing they provide to get as much ops cognition to happen through their tooling as possible 1606291;1485219458;trinque;it's not like AWS is *more* usgtronic than namecheap et al 1606292;1485219516;trinque;gonna DNS at all, might as well do it at the most-fed ministry 1606293;1485220118;mod6;evenin' 1606294;1485220568;ben_vulpes;heya mod6 1606295;1485220576;phf;asciilifeform: i somehow missed that later tell, i thought it was in pm 1606296;1485220611;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered) 1606297;1485220611;a111;Logged on 2017-01-23 21:47 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??) 1606298;1485221350;asciilifeform;i can't really think of any excuse why the 'machine anchor' of common lisp HAS to be any bigger than, e.g., tinyscheme's 1606299;1485221357;asciilifeform;(i.e. the portion not written in 'itself') 1606300;1485221418;ben_vulpes;strandh got his working in llvm in relatively short order 1606301;1485221438;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what means 'on llvm' 1606302;1485221457;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: rather, what does the build chain look like in this example ? 1606303;1485221475;ben_vulpes;step1: buy an apple box 1606304;1485221531;phf;ben_vulpes: you mean clang? 1606305;1485221536;phf;err 1606306;1485221545;ben_vulpes;i 1606307;1485221548;phf;clasp 1606308;1485221548;ben_vulpes;don't know? 1606309;1485221551;ben_vulpes;yse 1606310;1485221554;ben_vulpes;yes* 1606311;1485221563;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: llvm is mighty heavy, so i'm not sure how this statement disproves mine 1606312;1485221574;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i don't really know what you're asking. his uses llvm-ir to tie into cpp, it's the ~whole point of it. 1606313;1485221587;asciilifeform;what i am asking is to dispense with the motherfucking cpp. 1606314;1485221590;ben_vulpes;and yes wtf llvm is an iridium brick of apple compiler phd time 1606315;1485221591;asciilifeform;and the horse it rode in on. 1606316;1485221613;asciilifeform;64kB of asm or fuckoff. 1606317;1485221626;ben_vulpes;you don't want this nice abstraction layer? 1606318;1485221643;asciilifeform;(e.g., Mulisp, is 47kB!) 1606319;1485221656;ben_vulpes;you won't even taste the poop anymore. it's really nice... 1606320;1485222611;phf;well, you can probably write an evaluator for lisp core (and host something like sicl on top), but the result is going to be dog slow, at which point you'll have to work out an optimization strategy that's not going to leave scaring. that's a long and careful project, an anathema in open source 1606321;1485222699;asciilifeform;i'll point out that mulisp (47kB) included bignum (again, in asm) 1606322;1485222702;phf;(fwiw last time i checked in with clasp, it was also dog slow, probably a combination of insane technology tower and lack of optimization strategy, that all goes back to original point "writing lisp is hard") 1606323;1485222789;asciilifeform;optimization has to begin with sane evaluator design (e.g. appropriate use of the type bits, integrated numeric tower, cdr-coding) 1606324;1485222922;phf;it's also possible that the development cycle that involves basically no way to twitch (i.e. you're either hacking for 5 hours or gaming for 2 or you're on "trilema bbs" for 30 minutes) has something to do with it ;) 1606325;1485223385;asciilifeform;eh the ancients had distractions of their own. 1606326;1485228307;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606296 << SICL's status makes a lot more sense in-context: "It is intentionally divided into many implementation-independent modules that are written in a totally or near-totally portable way, so as to allow other implementations to incorporate these modules from SICL, rather than having to maintain their own, perhaps implementation-specific versions" 1606327;1485228307;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 01:16 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered) 1606328;1485235655;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-american-consumer-in-two-photos << CH - The American consumer, in two photos 1606329;1485238188;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606239 << d00d has some rather surreal 'thousand year usg reich' wtf, e.g., https://huwieler.net/2015/10/30/quantum-cyber-warfare-the-defense-policy-we-dont-have-but-should/ 1606330;1485238188;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 00:24 mats: https://huwieler.net/2017/01/18/chelsea-manning-in-basic-combat-training << luls, guy that went to BCT with Manning says he was a little bitch even then 1606331;1485238297;asciilifeform;'will Quantum Computing be to Cyber warfare what Nuclear weapons have been to kinetic warfare? And if it is, how can the U.S. DoD establish a world-wide, non-proliferation security regime?' 1606332;1485238297;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1606333;1485238449;mats;its humorous, really 1606334;1485239918;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606256 << o noes we even have VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH nao ? 1606335;1485239918;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 00:39 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606168 << this will be VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH but amazon's registration and dns record handling is entirely adequate 1606336;1485239926;mircea_popescu;almost like a real irl state and errythang 1606337;1485239969;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606273 << one man, one verse, one truck, one reverse ? 1606338;1485239969;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 00:44 ben_vulpes: one man, one verse, one vote, one line 1606339;1485240070;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606292 << this is actually pretty solid reasoning. ie, if you're going to live in soviet union, might as well live in moscow. 1606340;1485240070;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 00:58 trinque: gonna DNS at all, might as well do it at the most-fed ministry 1606341;1485240195;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606322 << you'll have to one day sit down and explain to me exactly what you mean by "optimization strategy". 1606342;1485240195;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 01:51 phf: (fwiw last time i checked in with clasp, it was also dog slow, probably a combination of insane technology tower and lack of optimization strategy, that all goes back to original point "writing lisp is hard") 1606343;1485240357;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606333 << i'm with mats. "dod", seriously ? 1606344;1485240357;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 06:14 mats: its humorous, really 1606345;1485240580;ben_vulpes;"bezzle ops for bezzle corps" 1606346;1485240606;ben_vulpes;our options are to scratch in the dirt or pretend that a life made of plastic is worth living. 1606347;1485240666;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/10729577345/ << disregard the meatsack, gaze in wonder at the caddy 1606348;1485240986;mircea_popescu;those'd generally be teh options yeah 1606349;1485245111;ben_vulpes;in other artificial intelligences: https://player.vimeo.com/video/192711856 1606350;1485247507;davout;wtf am i watching 1606351;1485254834;ben_vulpes;AaronvanW: fix your connection. 1606352;1485254931;ben_vulpes;davout: hard to tell from over here 1606353;1485254950;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-cias-flickr-account << CH - The CIA's flickr account 1606354;1485255992;davout;your article made me realize that US and mauritian politics now share this "let's put my son in charge" monkeystantronic attribute 1606355;1485272662;mod6;mornin' 1606356;1485278281;thestringpuller;Kim Dotcom, from MegaUpload to Bitcoin GLBSE scammer. 1606357;1485283998;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE2D1AFD7DCD592ADC6C52193DCABE95F5A5577E9C902FC60CE156B05BC24E5D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1739...5987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.74.151.176 (ssh-rsa key from 80.74.151.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CH) 1606358;1485283998;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE2D1AFD7DCD592ADC6C52193DCABE95F5A5577E9C902FC60CE156B05BC24E5D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...9187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.74.151.176 (ssh-rsa key from 80.74.151.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CH) 1606359;1485286900;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606330 << all that her bs... 1606360;1485286900;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 06:09 a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 00:24 mats: https://huwieler.net/2017/01/18/chelsea-manning-in-basic-combat-training << luls, guy that went to BCT with Manning says he was a little bitch even then 1606361;1485286952;mircea_popescu;dude ~maybe~, if i know them personally and care on some sort of level i might update some dork's gender. unless you invent fucking vlsi the odds aren't too good of that. 1606362;1485287389;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-deal-with-little-girls/ << Trilema - How to deal with little girls 1606363;1485287409;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. epic write-up. 1606364;1485287660;mircea_popescu;mats i tell you guy almost makes me want to sign up. 1606365;1485289261;mircea_popescu;"At the end of the field exercise, that holdover was walking up to groups of us, offering to sell us candy for $20 a package. We all knew to keep our distance from him – he was untrustworthy, he was in trouble, and he was only going to get you in trouble too if you associated with him. And yet, Chelsea Manning bought a package of M&Ms from him for $20. I remember that scene, because Manning was not quiet about it. She was p 1606366;1485289262;mircea_popescu;ractically bragging out loud that she had contraband candy. At six weeks into basic training, it just wasn’t worth it, and yet that scene has stayed with me all these years, because for Manning, it somehow was worth it. Maybe by then, she thought she had nothing else to lose." 1606367;1485289283;mircea_popescu;dude's not very perceptive. manning evidently comes from a broken home, which instilled the expectation that Mommy is somehow significantly more powerful than Daddy. 1606368;1485289322;mircea_popescu;which is why he joined the army, too, trying to bait that absent father ; and which is WHY the candy thing. didn't want the fucking candy anymore than i do. just wanted to see if dog may be enticed to bark in the exact manner that'd get it shot ? 1606369;1485289347;mircea_popescu;and this is what he was doing with the wikileaks, too. until the day he dies, pvt c manning will be looking to reassure himself that yes, totally, mommy rules! 1606370;1485289357;asciilifeform;it read exactly like traditional description of 'destined to be lowered into pederasty' d00d in ru prison 1606371;1485289373;mircea_popescu;letting him out of prison is likely the dumbest thing obama ever did. not in terms of impact, which it entirely lacks, but in terms of concentration. 1606372;1485289379;mircea_popescu;it's a tiny m&m of stupid. 1606373;1485289383;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1606374;1485289419;mircea_popescu;notice that the feathering thing is actually curative, as proven by the fact that absent the men, rooster did it to himself. 1606375;1485289427;mircea_popescu;found some nice gals in white lab coats and well... 1606376;1485289551;asciilifeform;actually iirc manning was never snipped 1606377;1485289565;asciilifeform;only hormonized 1606378;1485290347;mircea_popescu;"In 2007, the U.S. Army was habitually failing to meet its monthly recruiting goals; the application standards relaxed and a great cross-section of humanity ended up reporting for duty that warm October at Fort Leonard Wood. In the company, there was a 17-year-old who had enlisted with a waiver, and there was: a 42-year-old mother of three who was terrified of needles; a new grandmother to a brand-new infant granddaughter; an 1606379;1485290355;mircea_popescu;d a former coffee distributor in South America in his mid-thirties who everyone still called “Grandpa.” One recruit ironically named “Goesforth” went AWOL within 48 hours of arrival, deserted the military, and was never seen again. 1606380;1485290355;mircea_popescu;One recruit in fourth platoon had been homeless before he joined, and another had blown his entire first university semester’s tuition on OxyContin before he dropped out and enlisted. One recruit was a Mexican citizen who was willing to go to Iraq and fight for the United States in exchange for expedited citizenship. Another was a female with dual German/American citizenship who was so short, the German Army wouldn’t take 1606381;1485290355;mircea_popescu; her, so she joined up with the Americans instead. Charlie 82d had dads in their mid-thirties, and it had dads not yet old enough to buy beer. My platoon had a single mom who had been working as an exotic dancer before she raised her right hand and took the oath; another had married young, got divorced and wanted to get as far away from her Ex as possible; she figured the Middle East was probably far enough, but if he tried t 1606382;1485290356;mircea_popescu;o find her there, he’d probably just get blown up by an IED – problem solved." 1606383;1485290386;mircea_popescu;basically the us army is a ridiculous menagerie. AND the whole fucking point, from the pov of the obama DoS, is exactly that it not only stay that way, but never again become an actual army. 1606384;1485290509;mircea_popescu;"What is not accurate is the false and felonious image of the U.S. military on which the defense of her conduct has been, at its root, predicated: that somehow everyone in her formative years in the military was practically part of a tribe of 6’2”, overly-aggressive Alpha males pumping testosterone out their pores who ganged up on the smallest in the group and tore her apart out of hyper-machismo intolerance; that War is 1606385;1485290579;mircea_popescu; so brutish and nasty, that Warriors too must be. That is simply not accurate." << apparently you can get random dork to support the termiting, also, for as long as you call him a "chinese linguist" or w/e the fuck. 1606386;1485290580;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder, a new model army of old strippers and youthful gramas, dedicated to the global fight against the tribe of 6 foot 2 "overly" aggressive Alpha males pumping testosterone out their pores. 1606387;1485290658;asciilifeform;hey it's how they abolished conscription. put folx from unemployment queue in uniform. 1606388;1485290712;mircea_popescu;except its not folx. 1606389;1485290763;mircea_popescu;irrespective of the considerations pof the case, what remais is that random "intelligence analyst" thinks army should be dedicated to the rooting out of manhood. 1606390;1485290890;mircea_popescu;the way things shape up, this current nazism is actually a lot more insane than the original german version. holy shit, what, you want to kill ~men~ ?! 1606391;1485291941;ben_vulpes;based on historical record alone it is very unlikely but i put the chances that mircea_popescu dramatically underestimates the scale and scope of insanity running amok in the states at ~5% 1606392;1485291980;mircea_popescu;hey, i don't live there, so... 1606393;1485292045;mircea_popescu;quite possibru. 1606394;1485292272;danielpbarron;oh, from who can I get a copy of mp-wp ? my blog box seems to have crapped out once and for all. figure it's a good excuse to migrate to something better 1606395;1485292352;mircea_popescu;ican't recall if ben_vulpes or phf were maintaining it. who was it ? 1606396;1485292393;ben_vulpes;shinohai`: 1606397;1485292415;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: i'll root around for mine later today 1606398;1485292421;danielpbarron;k, thanks 1606399;1485292429;mircea_popescu;o was it shinohai` ? 1606400;1485292768;ben_vulpes;dunno that he ever formally undertook it 1606401;1485293396;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://lwn.net/Articles/712366/ 1606402;1485293408;asciilifeform;'...trivial systemd local root exploit, that 1606403;1485293421;asciilifeform;was silently fixed in the upstream git.. The analysis says that is a "possible DoS", but its a local root exploit...' 1606404;1485293869;mircea_popescu;heh not the first time someone lies on exploit analysis 1606405;1485294463;shinohai;danielpbarron: I have an archive i can get you later this evening, i moved this morning and setting up nw 1606406;1485295394;ben_vulpes;eheh in other dependent hacks, dog wanted to destroy things the child was throwing, so i gave the child a lemon to throw around. dog will chase, but not retrieve the lemon. 1606407;1485295420;mircea_popescu;lol 1606408;1485295948;danielpbarron;no rush 1606409;1485304982;mircea_popescu;!!up nicknaem 1606410;1485304982;deedbot;nicknaem voiced for 30 minutes. 1606411;1485305002;nicknaem;hello 1606412;1485305566;nicknaem;I must say, the not naming myself thing kind of got under my skin 1606413;1485305609;mircea_popescu;o it did ? 1606414;1485305621;nicknaem;yeah 1606415;1485305635;nicknaem;you know, I agree on many things you write 1606416;1485305652;nicknaem;so there is some truth in it 1606417;1485305673;nicknaem;i dont hate the world though 1606418;1485305684;nicknaem;nor my parents etc 1606419;1485305693;mircea_popescu;well if you're patient enough im penning a reply to your latest comment so we can continue from there 1606420;1485305697;mircea_popescu;rather than dribble it in chat. 1606421;1485305772;nicknaem;sure 1606422;1485306558;mircea_popescu;there you go nicknaem 1606423;1485311125;asciilifeform;a111 [~a111@unaffiliated/phf/bot/a111] has quit [Quit: ...] << phf?? 1606424;1485315172;BingoBoingo;In other ancient ocean sludge https://archive.is/d5w1Z 1606425;1485316346;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/vessenes-gox-drama-continues/ << Qntra - Vessenes Gox Drama Continues 1606426;1485318116;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2017/feminine-exceptionalism/ << The Whet - Feminine Exceptionalism 1606427;1485321586;davout;looks like the log's not werking 1606428;1485321593;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1606429;1485322564;BingoBoingo;phf's a111 is offline per fleanode 1606430;1485323273;mircea_popescu;thanks goodness we have two. 1606431;1485323606;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-1-25#b8eb36e5-0db2-4784-87b6-c9c385da5e0f << three! 1606432;1485323647;ben_vulpes;davout: ^^ 1606433;1485323661;mircea_popescu;three ? 1606434;1485323667;mircea_popescu;nice. 1606435;1485323701;ben_vulpes;even has search, although a very naive postgres full-text, not the "omfg exactly like grep" asciilifeform made phf build 1606436;1485323709;mircea_popescu;lol 1606437;1485323750;ben_vulpes;and with that i'm going back to the rocket stove 1606438;1485324334;davout;ben_vulpes: nice, the colors burn my eyes, but nice nonetheless 1606439;1485334483;Framedragger;very nice log btw ben_vulpes! 1606440;1485334493;Framedragger;redundancy ftw 1606441;1485334496;Framedragger;awesome colours, too 1606442;1485334975;ben_vulpes;ty 1606443;1485335024;ben_vulpes;davout: no accounting for taste 1606444;1485338723;davout;most useful word of the kreol morisyen language: "pena" 1606445;1485338733;davout;"we don't have", "there's non" 1606446;1485338741;davout;*none 1606447;1485338805;davout;protip if one ever tries to order food there: ask what they have, don't waste your time trying to order fancy shit like "a burger", "a wrap" or any other nonsense 1606448;1485338832;davout;usually ends up in their fucking fried noodles 1606449;1485343404;mircea_popescu;now we understand how the pacific islanders invented what later came to be known as us sizes. 1606450;1485343557;*;mircea_popescu slathers even more beouf salad on top of lovingly homemade sourdough. you know that's real mayo, made by hand out eggs yes ? and that the womenz cook every day or else there's terrible consequences ? o look, there's half a pot of delicious soup! maybe i'll order some pie. which means - i say make pie, they make pie. 1606451;1485343668;mircea_popescu;if i had to order out in this shithole i'd have shot someone. did i ever tell you about the "sushi ya!" order which showed up THREE HOURS later ? idiots were VERY surprised nobody's taking their bs. 1606452;1485344723;trinque;the hell's this guy talking about, cursive text? nicknaem, you need to go spend some time on a ranch chopping off chicken heads / slitting pig throats or something http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-deal-with-little-girls/#selection-141.1143-141.1263 1606453;1485344741;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i expect he collapsed from exhaustion 1606454;1485344782;trinque;it's pretty cool; when the grocery stores close these people will last what, 3 wks? 1606455;1485344794;mircea_popescu;depends on the women. 1606456;1485345280;mircea_popescu;anyway in other news it seems historical necessity is prevailing, trump is gonna forge an alliance with russia over everyone's objections. 1606457;1485345519;mircea_popescu;"October 2015, scientists at the University of New South Wales announced the successful design of a single-atom qubit 3D silicon chip architecture, making significant progress toward building a full-scale, operational Quantum Computer." 1606458;1485345531;mircea_popescu;what the fuck does the word soup even mean. 1606459;1485345541;mircea_popescu;totally, ignorance occurs when language fails. 1606460;1485345605;mircea_popescu;"While the last two decades have seen unambiguous experimental progress developing the science of Quantum Computation, there has never been a feasible, physical architecture developed upon which to scale-up the actual Computer itself. Not until today. Further, the success of specifically a ~silicon~ chip architecture now ensures that existing manufacturing facilities and processes can be more-easily upgraded" (emphasis his). 1606461;1485345677;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does this pass someone's filter ? so the dorks trying to push a scam decided the one thing that'd best improve the flavour of credibility would be spurious relation to existing practice, so now it's SILICON quantum computers, and you buy this, and even underline it of your own volition, as if it were a thing just because you wish it to be ? 1606462;1485345688;mircea_popescu;miracle cures! now with LABCOATS! hurr! 1606463;1485345788;mircea_popescu;silicone is used in electronics because of specific properties of its crystal lattice (it acts as a good substrate for dopants, resulting in nonlinear circuit elements). there's exactly nothing that recommends it over something like aerogel, or someone's stained tie, for the purpose of "quantum computing" 1606464;1485345840;mircea_popescu;"From left to right Dr Matthew House, Sam Hile (seated), Scientia Professor Sven Rogge and Scientia Professor Michelle Simmons of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Quantum Computation and Communication Technology at UNSW. Credit: Deb Smith, UNSW Australia" << fucking imagine that. 1606465;1485345844;mircea_popescu;SCIENTIA professors. 1606466;1485345916;mircea_popescu;"The great thing about this work, and architecture, is that it gives us an endpoint. We now know exactly what we need to do in the international race to get there." << the international race! endpoint! 1606467;1485345983;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna bet the only time we'll ever hear of any of those involved is when either the youthful dorks finally obtain the coveted (if meaningless) SCIENTIA title, or else when the two older farmhand looking idiots finally get their scientia-cum-laurels-and-hitler's-own-dinerfork-buttplug certificates ? 1606468;1485346019;mircea_popescu;"In the team's conceptual design, they have moved from a one-dimensional array of qubits, positioned along a single line, to a two-dimensional array, positioned on a plane that is far more tolerant to errors. This qubit layer is "sandwiched" in a three-dimensional architecture, between two layers of wires arranged in a grid." 1606469;1485346036;mircea_popescu;this comes from phys.org by the way, if anyone was about to take that mfa seriously. 1606470;1485346266;mircea_popescu;anyway, https://archive.is/0yq1G is the actual published item if anyone cares. tl;dr : dorks aware of which side bread is buttered created a silicone lattice with captive phosphorus on a plane, put wires on top and bottom and can now pump electrons into the so captured phosphorus. this DOES SOMETHING (tm). 1606471;1485346359;mircea_popescu;principally what it does is that it requires intricate production and then to be kept < 0.001 kelvin and such wonders. 1606472;1485346383;mircea_popescu;o right, also need a 2T field on at all times. 1606473;1485346493;mircea_popescu;but jay b huwieler ain't got no time to read the fucking article he's linked the (horrible) summary of, nor to understand wtf maintaining a 2T field costs, or for that matter milikelvin temperatures. fuck that, "now ensures that existing manufacturing facilities and processes can be more-easily upgraded to mass-produce quantum computational devices (QCD), in turn ostensibly reducing the time-to-market estimate for enterprise 1606474;1485346494;mircea_popescu;and consumer QCD offerings." 1606475;1485346595;mircea_popescu;imagine that, mass produced consumer items doing a magnetic flux density of 2 tesla! 1606476;1485346737;mircea_popescu;(the "strongest magnet in teh werld" title goes to something in the 20-30 T range ; it cost millions to build, it takes six oxen to drag around so on) 1606477;1485346884;mircea_popescu;as a bonus, ofcourse, hitachi pretty much owns neodymium magnets, and china pretty much owns everything to do with all the other rare earths also. 1606478;1485346910;mircea_popescu;!~google react program 1606479;1485346912;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: React .js Program: ; Missouri REACT Program -Required Educational Assessment and ...: ; Safety Council of Greater St Louis | SATOP/ REACT Programs: 1606480;1485346919;mircea_popescu;heh ok. 1606481;1485347360;mircea_popescu;anyway, check him out, everyone wants his porn industry to be "the reliable bridge" between "pure STEM R&D" and "free market consumerism". everyone's a tindr, getting the weird shy boys in the slimy wet bed of expectant females, dontchakno. hurr durr an' a bottle o' dross. 1606482;1485347490;mircea_popescu;"Currently, one mechanism the DoD has at its disposal domestically is Department of Homeland Security Presidential Directive 7 (protecting infrastructure deemed critical to National Security). If the most immediate application of QC is harvesting foreign government secrets by breaking intercepted data of its classical encryption then the QCD itself clearly falls under HSPD 7. Another option is that if QC were to be used with 1606483;1485347490;mircea_popescu;AI to power unauthorized access against foreign state and non-state actors, then both code and design could be interpreted as defense items. Then it could fall under Title 50 of US Code, appear on the United States Munitions List, Category XVII (Classified Articles, Technical Data, and Defense Services Not Otherwise Enumerated) and therefore be subject the Arms Export Control Act. Once under DoD control those examples of QC c 1606484;1485347490;mircea_popescu;ode, design, and technical datum would likely be further controlled by classification at the TOP SECRET level with some kind of Alternate Compensatory Control Measure specific to QC and QCW." 1606485;1485347494;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 1606486;1485347523;mircea_popescu;ok, ok, i'm done befouling the logs. such insanity. 1606487;1485350613;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/yXziR << excelent diagnosis piece as to how the chanting hordes of the blue state managed to fuck up things wrt munitions. it's a fine complement to http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-113.485-113.615 1606488;1485350657;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/yXziR#selection-2965.0-2977.49 is the paydirt. 1606489;1485353526;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9AD9D8BC1CA4501EDDCD7082644E3F06851B3F793BC05FD08A2953D5E42275C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1684...3763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.86.159 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.86.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (apelserv.de. DE BE) 1606490;1485353526;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9AD9D8BC1CA4501EDDCD7082644E3F06851B3F793BC05FD08A2953D5E42275C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1602...1369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.86.159 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.86.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (apelserv.de. DE BE) 1606491;1485354021;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606472 << fwiw you can get ~5T from a halbach array (unrefrigerated permanent magnet) 1606492;1485354021;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 12:13 mircea_popescu: o right, also need a 2T field on at all times. 1606493;1485354038;asciilifeform;it's how desktop nmr box worx. 1606494;1485354040;mircea_popescu;i thought the alloy perma ones do about .5 1606495;1485354060;asciilifeform;5 with spherical rig. 1606496;1485354099;mircea_popescu;some other empire will have to do that, this one seems to cap out at plastic 200W electric driller 1606497;1485354130;asciilifeform;it's an off the shelf thing, go an' buy as many as you like. 1606498;1485354159;mircea_popescu;while china ships 1606499;1485354166;asciilifeform;naturally. 1606500;1485354216;asciilifeform;(i cannot speak for folx living in other monkeystans, but over here even shoelaces will remain available strictly while-china-ships) 1606501;1485354273;mircea_popescu;so how much is one of these 5T itemz ? 1606502;1485354455;asciilifeform;http://www.duramag.com << vendor picked blindly. go ahead and ask'em... 1606503;1485354465;mircea_popescu;just idle curiosity. 1606504;1485354467;asciilifeform;then divide by 10 and get the nonamerican price. 1606505;1485354502;mircea_popescu;oh, not really consumer grade ? more than 20 byux ? 1606506;1485354511;asciilifeform;if i had to guess the actual unit cost, i'd put it at couple of hundy. 1606507;1485354545;mircea_popescu;dude huy-something from the us-still-thinks-it-matters dept told me ima get it in my wristwatch! 1606508;1485354562;asciilifeform;who the hell needed a konsoomer nmr magnet again?! 1606509;1485354577;asciilifeform;is this the sr dope testing crackpottery again..? 1606510;1485354583;*;asciilifeform catches up on l0gz 1606511;1485354604;mircea_popescu;you've not been following along, there's a department of us army intelligentsia which is putting together an anally insertable quantum computer out of 2T and 0.001 kelvin 1606512;1485354608;asciilifeform;aaaaah it's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606329 1606513;1485354608;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 06:09 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606239 << d00d has some rather surreal 'thousand year usg reich' wtf, e.g., https://huwieler.net/2015/10/30/quantum-cyber-warfare-the-defense-policy-we-dont-have-but-should/ 1606514;1485354613;asciilifeform;l0l 1606515;1485354670;asciilifeform;kosoomer qc wtf. 1606516;1485354682;asciilifeform;usg really, really wants the wunderwaffen. 1606517;1485354744;trinque;fusion powered emdrive starship with quantum computing cargo knapsacker!1!11 1606518;1485354745;asciilifeform;(naturally it would be approx. as useless as alchemy would have been, had it worked to spec, and much more quickly so) 1606519;1485354857;mircea_popescu;aww 1606520;1485354942;asciilifeform;then again they have ~30 yrs of rsa traffic to wank over 1606521;1485355276;mircea_popescu;the notion of "quantum computing" is possibly the most idiotic thing on the table today. 1606522;1485355288;mircea_popescu;really, bitch, they're gonna do what you want ? because why. 1606523;1485355338;asciilifeform;it's a screamingly single-purpose (hypothetical) mechanism. 1606524;1485355434;mircea_popescu;im hard pressed to deliberately compose something more autistically idiotic. 1606525;1485355462;asciilifeform;dunno, some of the fusion concepts come close. 1606526;1485355469;mircea_popescu;literally, mana from heaven is not a more contortedly i-read-penthouse-in-physics-class 1606527;1485355563;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i hold they are not, for the following reason : the nonsense of contained cold fusion rests on mechanical problems, ie, the plasma expands and therefore cools too fast. at least we have SOME TOOLS to do mechanical work with. like you know, a fulcrum. perhaps the plasma could be put in a fulcrum somehow ? or maybe with cogs ? dunno, should at least investigate. 1606528;1485355612;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the problem with quantum computing is in the fucking name. we have NO tools to do quantum work with. none. we've never heard of one existing, we can't conceive how one'd even work, if it did, which it doesn't, because it doesn't exist. 1606529;1485355633;mircea_popescu;we even have a multitude of strong statements of impossibility all converging towards a hearty "fuck you" located at the core of this concept 1606530;1485355702;asciilifeform;NO tools << e.g., spin valve, exists. there's one in your hdd. 1606531;1485355709;mircea_popescu;there isn't even a measuring tool ; we have nfi if any observed effect is even anything. 1606532;1485355723;mircea_popescu;because no, excitation levels aren't "quantum" in the sense contemplated here. 1606533;1485355737;asciilifeform;nobody invents alchemy when there 'are no tools.' alchemies happen when you got the tools, but not the knowing-wtf-you-are-doing 1606534;1485355785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how exactly do you propose the spin valve is related to the "qubits" business ? 1606535;1485355813;asciilifeform;it is as related as 12th century retort was related to turning lead to gold. 1606536;1485355821;mircea_popescu;for the same money "we have" the process whereby glass can be rendered transparent or opaque through recrystalization 1606537;1485355824;mircea_popescu;what, that also ? 1606538;1485355849;asciilifeform;as for 'how to even know whether it works', that one's easy. qc is strictly a wunderwaffen for breaking rsa. if it breaks rsa -- it worx. otherwise, not. 1606539;1485355857;asciilifeform;nobody cares ~how~. 1606540;1485355892;mircea_popescu;i dunno how to meaningfully discuss it in terms of time, but i am willing to bet anything that the leap between $current-situation and $quantum-computing is larger not just than the alchemy-to-cyclotron gap, but actually larger than all extant science. 1606541;1485355910;asciilifeform;conceivably. 1606542;1485355917;mircea_popescu;it takes more cognition to go from pottery to desktop nrm than to go from desktop nrm to that sort of parallel computation. 1606543;1485355943;asciilifeform;but politically the situation has an obscenely close resemblance to alchemy 1606544;1485355959;asciilifeform;idiot rulers throwing $maxint at it, in hopes that somethig -- ANYTHING -- works 1606545;1485355986;asciilifeform;and are quite content to fund random stabs in the dark, or even outright charlatans 1606546;1485356043;mircea_popescu;in that sense i propose the MP Certainty, which says that it will NEVER happen. ie, at no point in the history of humanity will it be cheaper to break rsa through "quantum computing" than through electronic computing. 1606547;1485356068;mircea_popescu;and this includes situations 100k years in the future where qc ie quantum communication is actually used. computing, not so much, for the ~same reasons. 1606548;1485356122;asciilifeform;i'll point out, largely for n00bz, that we do not in fact know whether breaking rsa is hard. 1606549;1485356158;mircea_popescu;yes, but that didn't enter into the above. 1606550;1485356169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'quantum communication' is golden toilet nonsense, for the cost of building the link, you can perma-sync a thousand years of OTP. 1606551;1485356176;asciilifeform;and use ordinary copper/fiber 1606552;1485356231;mircea_popescu;anyway, re qc, bonus lulz for the huy-guy : so the chinese are trying to do it over satellites, because currently it's been demonstrated over much shorter distances. and the dod bright lightbulb (seriously, he is probably the smartest guy there, seeing how he has a blog) went "oh, this would allow safe key transfer, well tell you what, the army could DoS the system!" 1606553;1485356242;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder, he's going to intervene in quantum field. 1606554;1485356264;asciilifeform;btw magnetic tape really shines in otp-land. it costs a penny a GB, and you can trivially write two tapes identically with same head (plugged into rng naturally), AND -- bonus -- can destroy it immediately when it comes out of read head. 1606555;1485356268;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not discussing practical utility, merely that it makes sense from a technical perspective. unlike the other thing. 1606556;1485356283;mircea_popescu;but - yes. 1606557;1485356329;asciilifeform;(there is no conceivable reason to put otp on expensive, non-disposable random-access disks, other than not having anything better) 1606558;1485356335;mircea_popescu;yeah 1606559;1485356436;asciilifeform;even the humble steel wire recorder, ancestor of magnetophone, could easily come back as a practical thing. 1606560;1485356464;asciilifeform;demagnetize when it emerges from read head with that selfsame halbach magnet. 1606561;1485356491;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/IkPjo#selection-417.364-421.293 << direct link to the butthurt in question 1606562;1485356501;phf;FUCKGOATS extension board.. 1606563;1485356512;mircea_popescu;"oh, if the chinese do qke, the us army will... have to find a way to diddle all keys in subatomic transit" 1606564;1485356513;mircea_popescu;mmkay. 1606565;1485356553;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, it's what they picked for 'how to deal with pgp' 1606566;1485356563;mircea_popescu;totally worked. 1606567;1485356569;asciilifeform;when monkey can only throw shit -- he throws shit. 1606568;1485356581;asciilifeform;what else can he throw. 1606569;1485356660;mircea_popescu;"Jump forward to 2030, give them the benefit, and assume that Beijing can securely distribute quantum encryption keys that cannot be broken. Can they guarantee that by 2030 their average Soldier will be any less susceptible to phishing attacks and won’t click on links embedded in unsolicited emails?" 1606570;1485356664;mircea_popescu;gee whiz. i dunno. 1606571;1485356676;mircea_popescu;maybe we should have a teat pulling sit-in over this. 1606572;1485356724;asciilifeform;(finishing touch on the otp subthread : the mega-virtue of steel wire vs magnetic tape, is that you can heat it to its curie point for rapid-zapping, without creating smoking, melted mess. so good emergency erase -- just put current through the spool.) 1606573;1485356811;mircea_popescu;actually, some proper made flash tape would also work great 1606574;1485356822;mircea_popescu;one spark and bam 1606575;1485356854;asciilifeform;thermite already exists. but there are distinct advantages to non-pyrotechnic key zapping. 1606576;1485356879;asciilifeform;(e.g., not setting your house on fire , in even of false alarm. and not requiring massive asbestos chest. etc) 1606577;1485356887;asciilifeform;*event 1606578;1485357006;asciilifeform;ideal eraser is probably a 'belt and suspenders' approach, where the wire is pulled through neodymium magnet (with hand crank backup) but meanwhile a pancake magnet is lowered onto the spool (for rapid, though imperfect, erase, in case there is not time to wind the entire tape) and at the same time current is run through the steel wire, if a current source is available. 1606579;1485357068;asciilifeform;or heat with chemical heater (as used in american army rations). 1606580;1485357122;phf;(just as long as the final device looks like this http://museumofmagneticsoundrecording.org/images/R2R/WebsterChicago78a.jpg ) 1606581;1485357124;asciilifeform;you want a zap that cannot be cancelled, even by mechanically separating the 'zapper' from the payload with explosive. 1606582;1485357127;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/01/25/feelings-are-helpful-but-not-for-idiots/ << Ossasepia - Feelings are helpful, but not for idiots 1606583;1485357166;asciilifeform;phf: or this -- http://www.minoxdoc.com/MVC-002F.JPG 1606584;1485357172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform really, the "not time" is no considerent. 1606585;1485357249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: probably there is no reason to ever bother with slow zaps. 1606586;1485357292;mircea_popescu;my thought was more along the lines of "if the difference between a second and a minute has a practical effect, there are other broken parts of the whole process that need fixing" 1606587;1485357319;asciilifeform;actually i can think of 1 traditional situation where it does 1606588;1485357324;asciilifeform;the key zap in a fighter jet 1606589;1485357325;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1606590;1485357333;mircea_popescu;you building fighter jets now ? 1606591;1485357339;asciilifeform;where the thing is breaking apart in the air, and potentially on quick collision course with ground 1606592;1485357360;asciilifeform;hey i don't build fusion reactors either. 1606593;1485357362;mircea_popescu;problem solved. 1606594;1485357398;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well no, problem not solved, the pieces on the ground can easily have residue of key, if the zapper is mechanically damaged before it can finish zapping. 1606595;1485357412;asciilifeform;which can indeed be a difference of 3 vs 1 sec. 1606596;1485357426;mircea_popescu;you're not building fighters therefore the "other broken parts of the whole process" have been identified and disposed of. 1606597;1485357442;phf;asciilifeform grew up on "Seventeen Moments of Spring", plans his life accordingly 1606598;1485357468;asciilifeform;i don't build jets. but i do live deep behind enemy lines, and will have -- if lucky -- about 5 seconds of time to pull the pin when the door breaks down. 1606599;1485357483;asciilifeform;but certainly no moar than 5. 1606600;1485357485;mircea_popescu;so install some cameras. 1606601;1485357514;asciilifeform;everybody has cameras. 1606602;1485357521;mircea_popescu;and you're wrong, a claymore going off in response to a hammering of the door will postpone the raid by HOURS 1606603;1485357542;asciilifeform;raid yes -- demolition no. 1606604;1485357553;mircea_popescu;~nothing easier in the world than making a team of us experts shit their pants and spend the rest of the day loitering waiting for "the conversation" to happen. 1606605;1485357559;asciilifeform;(btw usg luuuuvvvs self-immolators, they cut down on paperwork) 1606606;1485357600;mircea_popescu;specificity of diddling again applies. just as long as your response is not categorically identifiable, the empire is stuck in the one place it hates. 1606607;1485357610;trinque;whatever, they love to sit there and piss about importantly on the phone with 300 people surrounding 1606608;1485357645;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda surprised nobody does the claymore security door thing. "if you shock this door... nice knowing you." 1606609;1485358230;asciilifeform;i suspect that all of the folx who did this , are resting in peace/pieces 1606610;1485358245;asciilifeform;(ever have car alarm? it never went off from the wind?) 1606611;1485358267;mircea_popescu;there's a huge space there to pick a threshold. 1606612;1485358355;phf;hmm, i can't recall anyone doing it in the 90s. i think this is a uniquely american problem though, where you can't trust frame to hold the door in place. traditional solution is to simply put the door on welded frame inside a concrete hole, so you will need something better than a claymore to dislodge it 1606613;1485358445;mircea_popescu;phf nah, the idea is you get exactly like current, "security door" except the half inch steel sheet is on the inside, then 3 claymores stacked, then a thin al profile on the outside facing. have a shock detector modeled on 90% of the kinetic delivery of the standard issue us invasion corps battering ram. 1606614;1485358454;mircea_popescu;an earthquake won't do it (too slow). 1606615;1485358866;phf;"front toward enemy" 1606616;1485359540;asciilifeform;phf: the reason why american doors are what they are, is that the house is made of ~cardboard 1606617;1485359548;asciilifeform;does it matter what kind of door, on a paper house / 1606618;1485359549;asciilifeform;? 1606619;1485359572;asciilifeform;for bonus penetrability, typical american dwelling also has ~massive~ glass door (often, double-width) in the rear. 1606620;1485359604;asciilifeform;why these are built, i cannot say. i suppose americans believe that theft is part of the great circle of life, and burglars are also people, and Need to Eat, etc. 1606621;1485359660;trinque;nah, it's much closer to "I just want to" and govt is responsible for preventing it 1606622;1485359691;asciilifeform;why would anybody want this. 1606623;1485359783;trinque;why indeed. they're obedient creatures and this they're told is of the category of "fancy shit you can bolt to the side of" your house 1606624;1485359814;asciilifeform;i always suspected that the glass doors are a kind of 'fuse' 1606625;1485359824;asciilifeform;cheaper to replace a glass than to drywall a new wall. 1606626;1485359831;asciilifeform;so it is indeed 'designated burglar entrance' 1606627;1485359856;asciilifeform;iirc we had a thread here about ritual concessions to thieves, folx placing car keys where thief will find'em, etc 1606628;1485360109;asciilifeform;unrelatedly: in re the metal lisp thread: http://picolisp.com/wiki/?PilOS << i could not get this to boot. but it is ~exactly what i had in mind (i'd much prefer that it be with a scheme, rather than a crackpot dynamically-scoped 1970s lisp, but the idea is illustrative) 1606629;1485360241;asciilifeform;i have 3 versions of qemu here, all of'em end up with 'read error 9'. 1606630;1485360253;asciilifeform;this is ~universal with crackpot x86 os btw. 1606631;1485360275;asciilifeform;the hardware is so monumentally idiot that even ~emulator~ behaviour is nonstandardized, even between versions of same emulator. 1606632;1485360655;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'US urged Britain to keep Trident blunder secret. Obama administration ‘feared missile failure put American nuclear deterrent at risk’.' 1606633;1485360664;mircea_popescu;heh 1606634;1485360685;mircea_popescu;because why. not like it's not in the logs that they dun werk. 1606635;1485360704;asciilifeform;'A failure in the data communications system of the US-made weapon system has been blamed. Lockheed Martin, based in Maryland, builds and maintains the missiles.' 1606636;1485360767;mircea_popescu;o wait lm is based in maryland ? 1606637;1485360772;mircea_popescu;i was thinking turkmenistan 1606638;1485360780;asciilifeform;monkeystan 1606639;1485360793;mircea_popescu;i deemed myselg well informed by the nonfakenews outlets. 1606640;1485362461;asciilifeform;further lulz re retardation of x86 -- http://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=21720 1606641;1485362485;asciilifeform;( and bonus gcc idiocy ) 1606642;1485364761;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.cs.york.ac.uk/fp/DrIFT/original/History.html >> 'You asked whether naming your software `Haskell Derive' would be satisfactory, and you explained your reasoning for wishing to adopt that name. We believe that we understand your reasoning, but the critical point is that including `Derive' as part of your software's name in *any* manner is not permissible. That fact is not 1606643;1485364767;asciilifeform;changed by adding other words to `Derive', nor by your belief that the word `derive' is an accurate description, using the correct terminology, of the purpose of the software. In pursuit of your academic research project, please rename your software to avoid using `Derive' or any other word that might cause a reasonable likelihood of confusion with `Derive'' 1606644;1485364779;mircea_popescu;thisis actually not how it works. 1606645;1485364791;mircea_popescu;schmucks don't own the ~word~ "derive". 1606646;1485364794;asciilifeform;microshit's 'nt' case emboldened derps everywhere 1606647;1485364827;mircea_popescu;ie, yes the case is "reasonable likelihood of confusion", but no this does not mean 'don't use the word'. 1606648;1485364840;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit is that soft-warehouse (makers of subj, and one-time mega-monopoly, they made the only good lisp for msdos pc) was bought by ti and put in a hole, and cement poured. 1606649;1485364894;mircea_popescu;this is ~why fcc-like authorities exist. to forbid the usg to buy and derp like this. 1606650;1485364914;asciilifeform;waiwat, fcc?! 1606651;1485364918;asciilifeform;the usg ministry of radio ? 1606652;1485364927;mircea_popescu;ftc-like* 1606653;1485364934;asciilifeform;usg ministry of chumpatronics ? 1606654;1485364953;mircea_popescu;whatever the thing which goes "your money has no value here" 1606655;1485364973;mircea_popescu;ie if i sold some btc to buy lm and relocate it to turkmenistan 1606656;1485366510;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://archive.is/j41JR >> 'A group of at least seven protesters, apparently with Greenpeace, are scaling a crane in downtown Washington DC in protest at US President Donald Trump. ... the protesters unfurled a 35ft by 75ft banner reading “Resist,” 270ft above the ground. ' 1606657;1485366544;mircea_popescu;i feel this will make a lot of difference. 1606658;1485366549;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe they even get laid. 1606659;1485366555;asciilifeform;about same diff as the famous banana 1606660;1485366584;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-17#831998 ) 1606661;1485366584;a111;Logged on 2014-09-17 02:47 asciilifeform: http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/07/video-russian-laser-show-features-obama-sucking-on-a-banana 1606662;1485366774;phf;that's the most "direct action" any greenpiece activist participated in the past 30 years 1606663;1485366861;asciilifeform;eh aren't these the folx who sink ships when nobody's looking 1606664;1485366867;mircea_popescu;in the 80s 1606665;1485366886;asciilifeform;i suppose ~everything~ went to shit while i slept in the cave. even this. 1606666;1485366887;phf;^ 1606667;1485366930;*;mircea_popescu recalls a time in the 90s... concidentally at the time the world was last great i was too young to care much about women. 1606668;1485366934;phf;there's this anti-japanese-whaling direct action guy, who got kicked out of greenpiece in the early 2000s for too much direct actioning 1606669;1485366960;mircea_popescu;refused to use a condom! 1606670;1485366988;phf;http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-commentary/commentary/archive/the-truth-about-greenpeace-and-whaling.html 1606671;1485367078;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, if phf or anybody else has a copy of mulisp-90, plz to post. 1606672;1485367084;asciilifeform;90 specifically. 1606673;1485367101;asciilifeform;(afaik it vanished entirely from www.) 1606674;1485367399;phf;meanwhile at asciilifeform's secret lair http://68.media.tumblr.com/6e282fce49d57f4935f1f7758376fe1b/tumblr_nr4e9kVr2f1tcuhpfo1_500.jpg 1606675;1485367489;asciilifeform;lol engelbart's toiletron 1606676;1485367556;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1606677;1485367563;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 891.97, vol: 7048.19700071 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 893.002, vol: 4579.52776 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 892.97, vol: 13180.92448259 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 901.152053, vol: 12709.73980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 896.959, vol: 2646.31761359 | Volume-weighted last average: 895.650120993 1606678;1485367638;trinque;d'oh, I found 86 1606679;1485367645;trinque;http://www.din.uem.br/ia/ferramen/monoparadigmas/lisp/implementacao/mulisp/ 1606680;1485367670;asciilifeform;trinque: common as dirt 1606681;1485368470;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0B7BC41BDD6707815C42C207285C3FF4CE0B4FEB78CA44079BD210B7B47D996E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1776...1169 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.247.232.5 (ssh-rsa key from 80.247.232.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vserver26.nfrance.com. FR 31 N) 1606682;1485368470;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0B7BC41BDD6707815C42C207285C3FF4CE0B4FEB78CA44079BD210B7B47D996E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...5193 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.247.232.5 (ssh-rsa key from 80.247.232.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (vserver26.nfrance.com. FR 31 N) 1606683;1485369003;ben_vulpes;http://pastebin.com/FFSQUML9 << the fiat noose tightens 1606684;1485369046;ben_vulpes;everything must be free except speech 1606685;1485369110;Framedragger;blood, needles, and vampirism 1606686;1485369479;phf;"I appologize [...] I believe we did what we had to do" that's not how appologies work. 1606687;1485369527;mircea_popescu;heh 1606688;1485369550;mircea_popescu;it does contain THE WORD dunnit ? 1606689;1485369737;phf;we have evoked the name of saint apologia, therefore we are above reproach 1606690;1485369793;mircea_popescu;too bad she only blesses people wearing the blessed crocs. 1606691;1485370533;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform's main comp has finally released magic smoke. 1606692;1485370547;asciilifeform;turns out even 'tyan' mobo dun last 4evah. 1606693;1485370660;asciilifeform;11 yrs. 1606694;1485374280;mats;>Trump orders construction of border wall, moves to increase deportations 1606695;1485374419;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-feminin/ << translation candidate? 1606696;1485374449;mircea_popescu;hanbot just did that one 1606697;1485374502;ben_vulpes;ah fuq 1606698;1485374519;asciilifeform;source and keep hardware spares, folx. even for 'eternal' iron. don't wait until problem is acute. 1606699;1485374538;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: also "perform backups and regularly restore from them" 1606700;1485374550;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: goes without saying 1606701;1485374596;asciilifeform;but backup is of very limited use when you've nothing to compute on. 1606702;1485374613;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: brain scans are phrenology, not astrology 1606703;1485374743;mircea_popescu;or chiromancy w/e you call i 1606704;1485374745;mircea_popescu;t 1606705;1485374940;ben_vulpes;ah there's the hanbot piece in muhfeeds. 1606706;1485374947;ben_vulpes;okay so i didn't not do my homework yet. 1606707;1485375086;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it is interesting, at one point it was possible to source pre-2012 opteron mb quite cheaply, now they are ~gone 1606708;1485375101;asciilifeform;('socket f' to be specific) 1606709;1485377645;asciilifeform;'Yes, it was mainly for FetLife's and my protection, and we had to act swiftly. One could easily argue that we didn't move swift enough and that I shouldn't even make this post because something in it might incriminate FetLife or me.' << lel 1606710;1485377657;ben_vulpes;FEAR 1606711;1485377674;asciilifeform;wasn't the whole point of the thing 'like arsebook but UNCENSORED!11!!!!!!232323' ?? 1606712;1485377675;ben_vulpes;YOUR PERVERSE THOUGHTS MARK YOU FOR THE GULAG 1606713;1485377700;ben_vulpes;inb4 Framedragger builds a bitcoin kinknet 1606714;1485377739;asciilifeform;wtf is the point of making umpteenth centralized arsebook. 1606715;1485377762;ben_vulpes;ask him 1606716;1485377782;asciilifeform;'Historically we've sided more with individual members needs, but what we've learned from recent events is that we need to start putting more weight on the safety of the community, FetLife, and the team behind FetLife - including my personal safety.' << most cowards have at least the virtue of stfu-ing 1606717;1485377788;asciilifeform;not, apparently, this one. 1606718;1485377951;asciilifeform;'Let's say we move our servers to the newly formed country of Fetopia. The US, UK, Australia, Germany, etc. can still make it difficult for people within their countries' borders to access FetLife. I don't think we would do the community a favor by making FetLife harder to access.' 1606719;1485377956;asciilifeform;ahaha this is gold 1606720;1485377976;asciilifeform;'Why haven't you embraced Bitcoin to get away from the restrictions of the banks / credit card companies? - We used to accept bitcoins through Coinbase. They dropped us a year ago because we are a kinky site. No joke.' 1606721;1485378133;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults << CH - Perceived vs. actual barriers to homeownership for young adults 1606722;1485378787;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-171 1606723;1485379386;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ack 1606724;1485380083;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/hey-kid-want-to-buy-some-verboten-hate-speech << CH - "Hey kid, want to buy some VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH?" 1606725;1485380668;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606341 << optimization strategy is when you have a slow algorithm somewhere in your architecture (you put it there because it was a reasonable tradeoff at the point), but you can replace it with a faster algorithm without leaving too much damage on the architecture (alf calls it "scaring") 1606726;1485380668;a111;Logged on 2017-01-24 06:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606322 << you'll have to one day sit down and explain to me exactly what you mean by "optimization strategy". 1606727;1485380802;ben_vulpes;ugh mircea_popescu how do i find the qualia thread in your blog 1606728;1485380841;phf;so if you have a system that you implemented fast, but it's slow, but you know how to now slowly make it fast, you have a strategy. if you're chasing corner cases, running a profiler and get mostly flat distribution, writing in special cases, etc. you don't have one 1606729;1485381096;trinque;ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121007 1606730;1485382649;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606725 >> scarring ? 1606731;1485382649;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 21:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606341 << optimization strategy is when you have a slow algorithm somewhere in your architecture (you put it there because it was a reasonable tradeoff at the point), but you can replace it with a faster algorithm without leaving too much damage on the architecture (alf calls it "scaring") 1606732;1485382688;ben_vulpes;trinque: ty 1606733;1485382915;ben_vulpes;oh fucking lol 1606734;1485382930;ben_vulpes;in which it is shown that xcode's "find occurences of string in project" ACTUALLY FUCKING DOES NOT 1606735;1485382976;ben_vulpes;WHAT i ask you IS THE POINT of an ultra-heavy IDE that a) cannot tell me where the protocol breakage is during a refactor much less what to do about it b) has a project search SO MISERABLY BAD that a man must revert to grep in order to find ANYTHING 1606736;1485383418;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-174 1606737;1485383521;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i find broken ~search~ particularly infuriating, because it is so easy to make a working (i.e. grep-compatible) one 1606738;1485383538;asciilifeform;esp. if you are already lifting a standard unix userland 1606739;1485383543;asciilifeform;and grep is ~there~ 1606740;1485383567;asciilifeform;broken searches are nearly always a result of some pathetic piece of shit trying to 'be clever'. 1606741;1485383602;asciilifeform;(and the occasional literate d00d, e.g., phf, naively making use of a library written by 'clever' peopel) 1606742;1485383605;asciilifeform;*people 1606743;1485383617;ben_vulpes;i hear ya 1606744;1485383663;ben_vulpes;i ain't selling "pg fts" as any sort of solution; 'tis largely an experiment in pg search and data modeling. 1606745;1485383675;asciilifeform;what's pgfts? 1606746;1485383693;ben_vulpes;postgres full text search; "some pathetic piece of shit trying to be clever" 1606747;1485383696;asciilifeform;ah 1606748;1485383705;asciilifeform;sounds pretty spartan 1606749;1485383723;asciilifeform;(and what exactly other choices do you have if all of your thing lives in pg) 1606750;1485383734;ben_vulpes;granted, it serves a different problem, "searching documents" with naive user input. 1606751;1485383759;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: posix regexes work, i'll see what the performance implications are of using those instead. 1606752;1485383773;ben_vulpes;also phf may i please have the log backups? 1606753;1485383882;*;asciilifeform bbl -- meat 1606754;1485386645;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how about http://trilema.com/2009/pe-scurt-despre-analiza-tranzactionala/ 1606755;1485387779;ben_vulpes;in other gabriel_laddel comments that have babe army swooning: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/ 1606756;1485390714;ben_vulpes;for BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/NuNbW1X.gifv 1606757;1485392118;*;mircea_popescu welcomes this renewed interest in early trilemaz! 1606758;1485392715;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes first mentioned (ever! in history!) here : http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121007 then referenced in http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/#comment-121112 and http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-deal-with-little-girls/#comment-121192 1606759;1485392780;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606709 << is that vintage idiocy or novel ? 1606760;1485392780;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 20:54 asciilifeform: 'Yes, it was mainly for FetLife's and my protection, and we had to act swiftly. One could easily argue that we didn't move swift enough and that I shouldn't even make this post because something in it might incriminate FetLife or me.' << lel 1606761;1485392814;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606714 << was briefly discussed at the time ; if you recall the spec wasn't for centralization. 1606762;1485392814;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 20:55 asciilifeform: wtf is the point of making umpteenth centralized arsebook. 1606763;1485392886;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606720 << this pretty much sums up the idiocy of those people. 1606764;1485392886;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 20:59 asciilifeform: 'Why haven't you embraced Bitcoin to get away from the restrictions of the banks / credit card companies? - We used to accept bitcoins through Coinbase. They dropped us a year ago because we are a kinky site. No joke.' 1606765;1485392962;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606728 << i don't readily perceive the difference between these two cases ; outside of "if girls are thirsty they're still stupid whereas if i need to shit i know where the wc is." 1606766;1485392962;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 21:47 phf: so if you have a system that you implemented fast, but it's slow, but you know how to now slowly make it fast, you have a strategy. if you're chasing corner cases, running a profiler and get mostly flat distribution, writing in special cases, etc. you don't have one 1606767;1485393169;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606735 << i don't think anyone ever held that xcode is either functional or useful. apple likes it because it's tm and that's about it. 1606768;1485393169;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 22:22 ben_vulpes: WHAT i ask you IS THE POINT of an ultra-heavy IDE that a) cannot tell me where the protocol breakage is during a refactor much less what to do about it b) has a project search SO MISERABLY BAD that a man must revert to grep in order to find ANYTHING 1606769;1485393223;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606740 << broken everything is always this. never anything else. not even possible to be anything else. 1606770;1485393223;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 22:32 asciilifeform: broken searches are nearly always a result of some pathetic piece of shit trying to 'be clever'. 1606771;1485393242;mircea_popescu;broken shit is what you get when you don't let the "overly agresive Alphas" beat shithead manning into a bloody pulp. 1606772;1485393987;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what's the "everything should be free" thing ? 1606773;1485394279;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1606759 << new. from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606683 1606774;1485394279;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 01:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606709 << is that vintage idiocy or novel ? 1606775;1485394279;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 18:30 ben_vulpes: http://pastebin.com/FFSQUML9 << the fiat noose tightens 1606776;1485394288;mircea_popescu;hm 1606777;1485394331;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606755 is first-class lulfodder btw. 1606778;1485394331;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 23:42 ben_vulpes: in other gabriel_laddel comments that have babe army swooning: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/ 1606779;1485394336;mircea_popescu;heh. they should have thought of THAT before being annoying. 1606780;1485394357;*;mircea_popescu clearly recalls that when i showed somethingawful.com the cat they immediately stfu and ran away. 1606781;1485394397;asciilifeform;waiwat, who thought of what 1606782;1485394412;mircea_popescu;nothing easier than to turn off cc processing for one of these "website businesses" 1606783;1485394426;asciilifeform;aaah them 1606784;1485394436;mircea_popescu;takes me all of half an hour to organize a 10% chargeback pile, which is the immediate end, for isntance. 1606785;1485394480;mircea_popescu;and this isn't just re derpy "democratic" forum or herpy "free" sexploitatation venue. this applies to the fucking guardian, or to wikipedia. 1606786;1485394490;mircea_popescu;the ONLY reason they're still here is that i've not decided to end them. 1606787;1485394518;asciilifeform;not worth bullet, eh 1606788;1485394583;mircea_popescu;not even that. i don't perceive they're actually hurting. yes they're fucking up the lives of idiots. so ? 1606789;1485394657;thestringpuller;http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/25/venezuelan-authorities-bitcoin-crypto << didn't realize VZ was fascists? Secret police starting to round up Bitcoin miners eh? 1606790;1485394670;asciilifeform;iirc there was a spiffy mircea_popescu article about the costs of letting 'harmless' idiots live (makes idiocy seem acceptable) 1606791;1485394675;asciilifeform;but i can't recall where. 1606792;1485394702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider ben_vulpes 's latest article. the choice is very clearly available ; the sort of mind who nevertheless opts for idiocy truly deserves it. 1606793;1485394753;asciilifeform;theoretically there is a borderland of folx who straddle the edge of sanity 1606794;1485394759;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to forcibly get people to stop smoking. 1606795;1485394764;asciilifeform;they ask 'can i get away with being idiot' 1606796;1485394770;mircea_popescu;yes i'm aware that forcibly works and their own heads don't. so ? 1606797;1485394891;asciilifeform;'Morales had no rope. And no fingers. He had a ten-foot length of bandage. And brass balls. Somehow, this dude with no fingers lowers himself from the window on the bandage. It snaps. Morales falls 20 feet onto an air conditioner, then another 20 feet to the ground. Injured, but alive. The Family and FALN whisk him away.' << first-class. 1606798;1485394969;mod6;So, my V changes that implement a proper wot-variant V are looking pretty decent. however, I thought up an edge case that I'd like to discuss a bit more -- and I know we've been over this a bunch, and even recently. 1606799;1485395056;asciilifeform;mod6: bring it on 1606800;1485395065;mod6;Say that we have a flow, like trb, with all sorts of vpatches that stem from one single root. where that root is designated as a 'root' because all of its inputs are 'false'. what should happen with a vpatch that, for instance, just adds a file to the source and has no antecedents, nor decendants. 1606801;1485395102;asciilifeform;mod6: like shiva genesis ? 1606802;1485395113;asciilifeform;it's a second root and mircea_popescu really, really hates'em. 1606803;1485395113;mod6;so this one single vpatch has a 'false' input, and a non-zero sha512 output. 1606804;1485395129;asciilifeform;but they work fine in my vtron. 1606805;1485395132;asciilifeform;you just see two roots. 1606806;1485395134;mod6;ok, i'd have to look at shiva genesis again here. but yeah, multiple roots. 1606807;1485395139;asciilifeform;each with entirely own existence . 1606808;1485395149;asciilifeform;they don't screw the thing up in any way. 1606809;1485395211;mircea_popescu;actually that status451 article is not half bad. 1606810;1485395236;mircea_popescu;mod6 such a "patch" may not exist. 1606811;1485395237;mod6;so in the case of my previous implementation (V99995), these island-roots would simply endup at the end of the flow, as a leaf. as they are both a root and a leaf at the same time. 1606812;1485395247;mircea_popescu;either it builds in its own independent tree, or else it declares an antecedent in the trb tree. 1606813;1485395279;asciilifeform;mod6: wtf means 'root and leaf at the same time' 1606814;1485395286;mircea_popescu;rule is very simple : all items with false inputs create a project. whole, independent. 1606815;1485395286;asciilifeform;these are definitionally separate things 1606816;1485395287;mod6;ok, so that's basically what I was wondering. to be designated a proper 'root', do we also add the criteria of "must have an actual proper decendant" 1606817;1485395297;mircea_popescu;mod6 nope. 1606818;1485395351;asciilifeform;mod6: consider the time when genesis alone existed. 1606819;1485395357;asciilifeform;it was a perfectly valid vtree. 1606820;1485395362;asciilifeform;the way, e.g., FUCKGOATS-genesis, is today. 1606821;1485395367;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1606822;1485395373;mod6;ok i guess that would be bad in the sense that "i'm just staring this project, my genesis should be a root even though nothing descends it yet..." 1606823;1485395381;mod6;asciilifeform: yah, got it. 1606824;1485395432;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: wtf means 'root and leaf at the same time' << in the old code, it is a root, because it has no antecedents, and it is a leaf because it also has no descendants. 1606825;1485395444;asciilifeform;aah 1606826;1485395450;mircea_popescu;the latter dun exactly make it a leaf tho 1606827;1485395463;asciilifeform;at any rate 'solitary node' is a perfectly valid state for a vtree. 1606828;1485395474;mircea_popescu;the criteria for root/leaf are the same : anything false, root. anything non-false, leaf. 1606829;1485395484;asciilifeform;i can easily picture, e.g., FUCKGOATS, staying in that shape for the rest of eternity. 1606830;1485395489;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1606831;1485395537;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> either it builds in its own independent tree, or else it declares an antecedent in the trb tree. << so in the latter part here, should my 'foobar.vpatch' that just adds one file without any antecedents or descendants actually inherit an antecedent, in this case 'genesis.vpatch' ? just trying to understand ... 1606832;1485395547;mircea_popescu;sure. 1606833;1485395580;mircea_popescu;all patches to trb tree must refer to an antecedent in the trb tree. no exceptions. if "nothing comes to mind", genesis is a fine default. 1606834;1485395588;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu's criticism of shiva-genesis was 100% deserved, it ~does in fact~ logically depend on trb, but did not indicate said dependence vtronically 1606835;1485395609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is one of those cases of "sit on side of sanity ask what can get away with". 1606836;1485395622;mircea_popescu;just because it works(tm) ie could be got away with is no good reason to actually try. 1606837;1485395652;mod6;so say we go with that... that 'foobar.vpatch' just inherits an antecedent 'genesis.vpatch'; how does one distinguish between 'foobar.vpatch' as a root and 'genesis.vpatch' as a root without additional criteria? 1606838;1485395653;asciilifeform;setting up a wholly artificial dependence also rubbed me wrong 1606839;1485395658;asciilifeform;hence the choice 1606840;1485395686;mircea_popescu;but an important point here i must stress is the COGNITIVE LOAD of a v tree. these aren't mechanical "oh, it changed x file so it goes with x". you think, as the author, and exactly in the manner of scoring wot members : what should this item be anchored on ? 1606841;1485395706;mod6;both of these have all inputs as 'false' -- hard for the code to tell which should be witch at face value without something "and it has at least one descendant" 1606842;1485395709;mircea_popescu;v links add value ; which couldn't have been made by "an ai" 1606843;1485395730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform an item can exist in two copies : as its independent tree AND ALSO as a patch imported in a project. 1606844;1485395746;mircea_popescu;trb-shiva should be trb-shiva ; if shiva-genesis also exists nothing is hurt thereby. 1606845;1485395765;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall, i actually had a wholly separate shiva-bridge 1606846;1485395769;mircea_popescu;yea 1606847;1485395789;asciilifeform;(the reason for which, was to demonstrate that shiva was tinyscheme largely as-found-in-the-forest) 1606848;1485396129;mod6;the main reason that I bring this up; 'foobar.vpatch' is being dumped out of the flow and causing problems since i've implemented the axiom of 'a vpatch can only be in the flow if all of its antecedents are present.' which causes a problem in this case as it gets chucked out as an orphan. 1606849;1485396140;mircea_popescu;should be rebased. 1606850;1485396189;asciilifeform;mod6: if your vtron throws out a valid, signed-by-wot patch that has 0 antecedents, it is broken 1606851;1485396215;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu's dictum of 'have 1 root' cannot be enforced mechanically, vtron has no business deciding arbitrarily which root is 'the' root) 1606852;1485396222;mircea_popescu;aha. 1606853;1485396257;mircea_popescu;it should respond with "broken tree, fix seals" error and not press. 1606854;1485396265;mod6;ok. what should the vtron do with these extra roots? place them at the end of the flow as leafs? 1606855;1485396265;asciilifeform;cultivating a project with multiple roots may be bad form, but vtron ~must~ display properly 1606856;1485396273;asciilifeform;mod6: should do 100% what mine did. 1606857;1485396280;mircea_popescu;no, it should just fail the press. 1606858;1485396284;asciilifeform;display both flows correctly, press if asked. 1606859;1485396300;asciilifeform;(and follow the correct sequence to the respective root if pressing) 1606860;1485396340;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i disagree that multiple-roots should be a mechanical eggog. 1606861;1485396347;mircea_popescu;why ? 1606862;1485396348;asciilifeform;it is a logically valid, if stylistically undesirable, state 1606863;1485396354;mircea_popescu;it is not logically valid. 1606864;1485396366;mircea_popescu;the concept of "a press" towards more than one root is actually devoid of content. 1606865;1485396376;asciilifeform;but you can never do this 1606866;1485396384;mircea_popescu;besides the point. 1606867;1485396386;asciilifeform;you pick a node to press to. 1606868;1485396393;mircea_popescu;yes. 1606869;1485396395;asciilifeform;it cannot be part of two disconnected flows. 1606870;1485396403;asciilifeform;this is impossible to arrange even deliberately. 1606871;1485396410;mircea_popescu;more than one root === disconnected flows. 1606872;1485396418;mircea_popescu;this is what teh words mean. 1606873;1485396423;asciilifeform;yes but all points on the graph are unambiguously pressable to. 1606874;1485396430;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. 1606875;1485396442;asciilifeform;this is what i meant by 'logically valid.' it isn't a '1 == 2' 1606876;1485396450;asciilifeform;it's euclid's 5th. 1606877;1485396451;mircea_popescu;it is, yes. 1606878;1485396462;mircea_popescu;i mean, it is a 1=2. 1606879;1485396495;asciilifeform;i get that mircea_popescu really, ~really~ hates multirooted vtrees. this doesn't make'em '1==2' 1606880;1485396500;asciilifeform;they don't crash the algo. 1606881;1485396507;asciilifeform;not when it is written correctly (i.e. as i did) 1606882;1485396518;asciilifeform;they don't lead to unexpected 'wtf' 1606883;1485396523;asciilifeform;thing -- behaves. 1606884;1485396530;mircea_popescu;well, i get it that you think you did, except you didn't, because, note this, BECAUSE it didn't crash your algo. 1606885;1485396560;mircea_popescu;vtron that presses a multi-root tree is, by that very fact, a broken implementation. 1606886;1485396569;asciilifeform;i get it, mircea_popescu really hates blue colour, and thinks that merc engine should light eggog light an' stop immediately if it detects blue paint on chassis 1606887;1485396576;asciilifeform;that dun make blue paint an eggog. 1606888;1485396593;mircea_popescu;im not going to go into debugging your metaphors. 1606889;1485396596;asciilifeform;you NEVER press 'a multiroot tree.' you press ~one node~, which has ~one root~ 1606890;1485396622;asciilifeform;every node in a tree with 1,001 roots, flows back to ~one~ particular root. 1606891;1485396638;mircea_popescu;sigh. fine. 1606892;1485396646;asciilifeform;and i entirely agree with mircea_popescu that working with such a thing is terrifyingly poor discipline. 1606893;1485396655;mircea_popescu;vtron that presses a tree containing more than one genesis is, by that very fact, a broken implementation. 1606894;1485396683;asciilifeform;how many other stylistic eggogs should v enforce ? tabs-v-spaces? 1606895;1485396696;mircea_popescu;this is not a matter of "style", it is a matter of identity. 1606896;1485396719;mircea_popescu;the project is named after its tree's genesis, and conceptually exists as and only as descendancy from that genesis. 1606897;1485396747;mircea_popescu;speshul snowflakes need not apply ; they may be own trees, or leaves in extant trees, or not at all. 1606898;1485396760;asciilifeform;in the case of tinyscheme, i dealt with (or at least thought i was dealing with) the case where two separate bloodlines merge. 1606899;1485396785;asciilifeform;imho this is a distinct item and oughta remain indicable. 1606900;1485396798;mircea_popescu;there is no merge in that sense. 1606901;1485396808;asciilifeform;they fuck and have 1 child. 1606902;1485396814;mircea_popescu;wife changes her name, becomes daughter of her husband's father. 1606903;1485396819;mircea_popescu;like it or not, nobody asks her. 1606904;1485396833;asciilifeform;but this was not wife, but concubine 1606905;1485396848;asciilifeform;i specifically asked to memorialize the fact that i did not write tinyscheme. 1606906;1485396851;mircea_popescu;no concubines allowed. 1606907;1485396855;mircea_popescu;i don't care. 1606908;1485396860;asciilifeform;this was, recall, before mircea_popescu's gordian knot cut of 'use multiple keys' 1606909;1485396876;mircea_popescu;not sure it wasn't ; pretty sure that was always there, but yes i guess before the expliciting 1606910;1485396885;mircea_popescu;anyway, not like patches can't be rebased into conformancy. 1606911;1485396897;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu also tends to ignore the very real risk of 'no concubines, no children' 1606912;1485396906;mircea_popescu;children are not a goal. 1606913;1485396917;mircea_popescu;corectness, and corectness only, is the goal. if it produces no children so be it. 1606914;1485396928;asciilifeform;this is a consistend position. 1606915;1485396930;asciilifeform;*consistent 1606916;1485396940;mircea_popescu;it is also the only safe one. 1606917;1485397216;asciilifeform;to elaborate on the 'no children' bit, extreme strictness does not leave us with 'either correct software! XOR stone knives and bearskins and NO software!' but rather with 'massive pile of old broken software' 1606918;1485397240;mircea_popescu;this is, after all, why we made v in the first place. 1606919;1485397264;asciilifeform;aha. and one of the old plagues i aimed to cure, with v, was the 'fog of war' surrounding authorship. 1606920;1485397272;asciilifeform;where 'everything' is written by 'everyone and no one' 1606921;1485397299;asciilifeform;and so i remain skeptical of vtronic practices that obscure authorship, for whatever otherwise excellent reasons. 1606922;1485397299;mircea_popescu;but understand that the only correct solution is to steal the natives babies and give them roman/spanish names. 1606923;1485397312;mircea_popescu;there is no such "oh, we'll represent local-batshit in our system" 1606924;1485397315;asciilifeform;you give'em spanish names but they live in slave quarters. 1606925;1485397334;mircea_popescu;historically this isn't so accurate, everyone lived in the ~same shit. 1606926;1485397368;asciilifeform;eh even modern mexico, the actual-people-people are white (as white as spain, at least) 1606927;1485397397;asciilifeform;slave-fucking was a sometimes-thing there, evidently. 1606928;1485397412;mircea_popescu;to put it in more direct terms : remove fog of war around authorship yes, but this can ONLY be done through denying the franchise to anyone outside of wot. only wot people can be authors of things, so in this sense anything, tinyscheme included, until and unless its meatspace authors fess up, is literally "found in forest" and will have to bear an actual man's name 1606929;1485397442;mircea_popescu;there's no way to meaningfully assert "this leaf was made by $somenonpeople". 1606930;1485397473;mircea_popescu;i caqn readily see why this irritates your otherwise very well developed and entirely respectable respect for knowledge. 1606931;1485397509;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, i am saying, flatly, that this isn't a knowledge. as per lieberman. 1606932;1485397522;asciilifeform;if there is literally no way to memorialize the fact that i took $item off a dead nazi, or dug up from sunken atlantis, rather than wrote it personally -- said item will have to be done without. (unless someone else in your wot does the imho monumentally idiotic act of 'adopting it as own child') 1606933;1485397540;asciilifeform;imho for no c program is this a safe (in terms of preserving one's honour) act. 1606934;1485397566;asciilifeform;satoshi's liquishit is no child of mine. 1606935;1485397569;asciilifeform;nor tinyscheme, etc. 1606936;1485397603;asciilifeform;if i can't codify 'за что купил за то продал' -- we have problem. 1606937;1485397727;asciilifeform;( as per http://deedbot.org/deed-378272-1.txt ) 1606938;1485397781;asciilifeform;note that we did ~same thing for trb genesis. 1606939;1485397828;mircea_popescu;the concept of identity in the fiat world has come under scrutiny every single time. 1606940;1485397841;mircea_popescu;see the discussion of boeck's alleged "contributions" etc. 1606941;1485397851;mircea_popescu;there isn't two different someones out there in a reliable sense. 1606942;1485397860;asciilifeform;shiva(tinyscheme) is not a wife, it is a cow. it is quite possible to have a house without a cow. if you do have a cow, it lives in separate structure, and nobody will need to be reminded that it is not a wife. 1606943;1485397875;asciilifeform;there must remain the option of keeping cow. 1606944;1485397903;mod6;i think that cow aught to be rebased perhaps 1606945;1485397912;asciilifeform;mod6: rebased how 1606946;1485397916;mod6;it either goes in the tree or it does not exist. 1606947;1485397924;asciilifeform;i ain't equating, e.g., tinyscheme, to works from my own pen. 1606948;1485397926;asciilifeform;ain't happening. 1606949;1485397998;asciilifeform;and, again, 'no cow -- no milk.' the alternative to shiva is not 'clean code from reliable people in wot' but the old satoshi abortion in continued use. 1606950;1485398027;mircea_popescu;this wedge will not prevail. i'll do without any milk, forever. 1606951;1485398044;mircea_popescu;the odds of something being imported to break the structure because hey, convenience are nil. 1606952;1485398054;asciilifeform;except mircea_popescu is not doing without milk, he (and i, and the lot of us) is drinking the pus from syphilitic whore. 1606953;1485398064;mircea_popescu;there is no such benefit as "milk" here. 1606954;1485398072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that wedge will also not prevail. 1606955;1485398093;asciilifeform;why does trb-genesis get special treatment in mircea_popescu's scheme ? 1606956;1485398099;mircea_popescu;special, how ? 1606957;1485398122;asciilifeform;in the sense that it is of heathen birth, but nevertheless memorialized as an origin and not subsumed 1606958;1485398142;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu would not hold any of the signers answerable for its defects 1606959;1485398156;mircea_popescu;mod6 i expect the correct solution going forward is : a) for someone (maybe trbf ?) to make a Wildman McFucksticks key which b) will be used to sign a compliant rebase of tinyscheme / anything else anyone finds in the woods and wants to sign. 1606960;1485398184;mircea_popescu;it can even be a collective key, perhaps not in the sense of actually sharing the privkey, but perhaps trbf/holder signs items at request ; with the understanding it's all foundling crap anyway 1606961;1485398185;asciilifeform;probably this is the only consistent and long-term-sane method. 1606962;1485398189;mircea_popescu;aha. 1606963;1485398324;asciilifeform;i also expect that (at least if traditional bitcoin continues to function interruptedly) promisetronic 'we the wise men agreed that hash H represents this tarball which existed in 2012...' will become entirely unnecessary and hence dispensed with in favour of actual pointers to deedbot 1606964;1485398332;asciilifeform;*uninterruptedly 1606965;1485398383;asciilifeform;though it still doesn't hurt to remember that deedbot (or any similar scheme) can only prove ~floors~ and never ~ceilings~ 1606966;1485398388;asciilifeform;no matter how it is made. 1606967;1485398414;asciilifeform;(i.e. you can show that $item is ~no older~ than B blocks, but never ~no younger~) 1606968;1485398465;mircea_popescu;indeed, this is a temporary fix we find selves in 1606969;1485398484;mod6;heheh. this is complicated huh. 1606970;1485398495;mircea_popescu;mod6 kinda the thing with prototyping, we end up with redesigns 1606971;1485398505;mircea_popescu;"design clarifications" to be proper eh 1606972;1485398652;asciilifeform;that 'days of rage' piece is monumental. 1606973;1485398656;asciilifeform;mega-recommended. 1606974;1485398656;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1606975;1485398803;mod6;I appreciate both of your thoughts and considerations on the subject matter. 1606976;1485398931;asciilifeform;yw mod6 1606977;1485398955;asciilifeform;lemme know if you need a hand with the algo (though imho my original proggy was pretty readable) 1606978;1485399165;mod6;Much appreciated. Other than this problem with the roots at hand, I think mine is in pretty great shape. The implementation of the all-antecedents axiom creates a bit of a slant here for what I have. But I'll do some digging into what your v99 looks like again and see if I can't get something resolved with that. 1606979;1485399842;asciilifeform;'rage' commentz also interesting, in places: 1606980;1485399843;asciilifeform;'Myself I started to drift out of SDS when martial arts training became obligatory. When weapons training was required that was the end for me. What sent me away was not so much the notion of using a gun for a political end as that the providers of the guns were people who until five minutes previous could not fundraise a nickel bag for a party. Suddenly they had weapons, unlimited weapons, nice 1606981;1485399850;asciilifeform;weapons, and an infinite supply of ammunition for training purposes. If they burned out an M60 by running it too hot there was another M60 ready to go. And a little farm in Wisconsin to use as a training facility. All the farmers in the vicinity could and did hear the M60 and the BAR, so could the local police, somehow in spite of every local looking daggers at the hippies when they passed through 1606982;1485399856;asciilifeform;town there was no problem ever. Someone had arranged all this and it was not the Episcopal Church. Of course the two honchos who ran our chapter were both later exposed as pedophiles and FBI.' 1606983;1485399863;asciilifeform;(if unverifiable.) 1606984;1485399952;asciilifeform;'Let me tell you about young Bernardine. She was a strikingly attractive woman. Beautiful clear olive skin. Busty and she showed it off all the time. And usually in high black boots. Not working class engineer boots, shiny black fetish gear. Have you seen the Weather movie? Through the entire “underground” period she wore that gear. They were “underground” on the Upper West Side, in the 1606985;1485399958;asciilifeform;Columbia University neighborhood, where lots and lots of people knew who they were. And miraculously the FBI could not find them.' 1606986;1485400140;mircea_popescu;seems believable. 1606987;1485400237;asciilifeform;quite believable. my understanding is that '65s-'75 usa was undergoing a 'british empire' moment where 'youngest sons' of the elite had 'lack of breathing room' and went uppity, and threw a bit of tantrum before being reabsorbed, bill ayers style, into specially-created 'church' bureaucracies 1606988;1485400258;mircea_popescu;anwyay, the farmer's faith in the functional ability of their institutions, fbi or whatever, is entirely misplaced. about half my friends throughout my entire ro period were "underground" or "on the lam" ; for that matter the italians recently arrested that dude with the cesar ciphers ? he was "hiding" for 30 years by then 1606989;1485400289;asciilifeform;part of it is the 'uncatchable joe' aspect 1606990;1485400300;asciilifeform;(very easy to 'underground' when no one is hunting) 1606991;1485400306;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. but the article makes a very solid point : the current "start-up culture" is EXACTLY this. as discussed in the trilema "sv pedos" piece and ailleurs. 1606992;1485400381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing is easier than http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121016 "I didn't ask the girl if she thinks I'm any good or not. This is neither her business nor something within her purview. I asked the girl if she thinks she has it in her to try and survive once the world (WHICH I OWN) is no longer friendly to her. I didn't ask the DA for his evaluation of me. I couldn't give less of 1606993;1485400381;mircea_popescu; a shit what some random bureaucrat thinks on any topic. I asked the DA if he thinks he has it in him to survive once the world which I control is no longer tolerant of him." 1606994;1485400391;mircea_popescu;easiest decision a bureaucrat ever made. 1606995;1485400425;asciilifeform;of course we get to hear from the successful mircea_popescus, rather than the 'emperor nortons' who were SWATed like flies. 1606996;1485400445;mircea_popescu;emperor norton died in his bed. well, after a fashion. 1606997;1485400463;asciilifeform;well yes. but picture him transported, somehow, to obummer's usa. 1606998;1485400514;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's a discussion of history not a proposal. woe to the apprentice wizard who fancies himself a wizard on the strength of having read the actual wizard's youth journal. 1606999;1485400564;mircea_popescu;(contrary to the deeply desired implication reflected in the name, there's no relation between a wizard and an apprentice wizard.) 1607000;1485400597;asciilifeform;apprentice is more of a walking spermatozoid than anything else. 1607001;1485400702;asciilifeform;'I read somewhere that whoever was calling for the most violence was who Bernardine latched onto and fucked silly. No violence, no pussy. ' 1607002;1485400711;mircea_popescu;heh 1607003;1485400979;mircea_popescu;fancy the inept seinfeld boys of the time, trying to find the secret rubik cube configuration 1607004;1485400987;mircea_popescu;"we hacked bernardine! it's X!" 1607005;1485401070;asciilifeform;smoke moar, waft away the plague miasmas. 1607006;1485401087;asciilifeform;get married, grow taller! 1607007;1485401283;mircea_popescu;apparently it works on some people!!! 1607008;1485402016;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes on consideration piece not really worth translating ; it was a short intro for clueless ro audience. read eric berne &co instead. 1607009;1485405739;adlai;the bug is calling it a 'root', it's actually a leaf. the "root" of the relevant patch tree is the node you're trying to press. the "second root" which makes less sense (but should still not eggog) is "press two nodes" 1607010;1485405917;mircea_popescu;eh shuddup. 1607011;1485406181;*;adlai was gonna update on 'homework' but complies with sir's request 1607012;1485410006;asciilifeform;to continue the old thionyl thread: in other 'useful usg-mil substances asciilifeform had nfi existed!111!' : 'stabilant 22' 1607013;1485410023;mircea_popescu;i coulda sworn was im logs 1607014;1485410071;asciilifeform;not afaik. 1607015;1485414397;mircea_popescu;!!rated adlai 1607016;1485414397;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated adlai 1 at 2016/02/17 21:22:20 << alf's bff. nolispo. 1607017;1485414408;mircea_popescu;!!rate adlai -10 Deliberately useless idiot. 1607018;1485414409;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/eKlY0/?raw=true 1607019;1485414431;mircea_popescu;!!v B87E2BD9BA6B6CAD2A58C7198027894B28FF7834F547AEA8D5EE89D9D673F3B6 1607020;1485414431;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of adlai from 1 to -10 << Deliberately useless idiot. 1607021;1485414437;mircea_popescu;To be clear re ^ : dude's been trying to attack the republic for over a year by now through the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't. 1607022;1485414437;mircea_popescu;Let it be plainly stated that you treat this sort of subhuman scum as if it were a person at your own peril. It won't benefit by your sacrifice ; you will sooner or later end up in the sad position of discovering you no longer have a soul. 1607023;1485418957;mircea_popescu;ahahaha fucktards at ietf actually put 451 into their forked version of the internet standard. 1607024;1485419346;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/simon_penn_r << ifanyone still has a twitter see if that status451.com dude wants to come over say hi ? 1607025;1485422050;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606714 << if the thing was implemented as discussed (e.g. http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/#comment-117298) it would indeed not be centralised. or if it ended up relying on one central node, that node would be more like a passive store of pgp'd blobs. not to say that i believe this is the one true future and salvation, 1607026;1485422050;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 20:55 asciilifeform: wtf is the point of making umpteenth centralized arsebook. 1607027;1485422072;Framedragger;but the thing *could* be developed orthogonally to gossipd's efforts, which is nice. 1607028;1485422138;mircea_popescu;iirc it was cognate with gossipd. 1607029;1485422168;Framedragger;but the originally conceived idea of a site which serves 'smart' JS which does pgp must be disposed of. i even looked into the state of the art in pinning (say, JS) web resources in html5 so the browser can be sure it's being served the same stuff, but it's ~undoable because the whole browserstack is rotten (and obvs JS doubly so) 1607030;1485422184;mircea_popescu;truth be told it's not directly clear there's not actually a future for both insta and letter models (ie, irc and webforums, for instance, or phone calls AND mailing lists/bbsen) irrespective of historical poor implementation. 1607031;1485422203;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i suppose so, at least the latest concept iteration as developed in the comments 1607032;1485422217;Framedragger;yeah! 1607033;1485422236;mircea_popescu;Framedragger hey, you've... not exactly learned a lot, but actually examined a lot in the past few months huh! 1607034;1485422275;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, it's quite unclear to me that gossipd need be related to this other thing 1607035;1485422291;Framedragger;i'm like that (useless) teacher in kobo abe's "woman in the dunes", walking around the desert and examining bugs :) one day i'll fall into a pit which houses a house and a woman, and i won't want to get out 1607036;1485422296;Framedragger;yeah 1607037;1485422357;Framedragger;(nice short story btw) 1607038;1485422397;mircea_popescu;lol 1607039;1485422544;Framedragger;anyway, maybe one day someone will elucidate me why -10 ratings is a thing for humans who have done a magicaltux 1607040;1485422552;Framedragger;who have *not* done* 1607041;1485422679;mircea_popescu;i'm satisfied in my mental representation of the fellow and won't be changing it. that's another name for certainty. 1607042;1485422945;Framedragger;i suppose this ties into the "view WoT rating as a representation of degree of certainty" approach, aha. 1607043;1485423078;mircea_popescu;well yes 1607044;1485430171;Framedragger;http://www.burojansen.nl/bvd-aivd/dutch-secret-service-tries-to-recruit-tor-admin/ << student getting recruited to spy on kommunities 1607045;1485431234;trinque;dutchies just wishing they were invited to the NSA, GHQ, BND party 1607046;1485431245;trinque;also good morning gentlemen 1607047;1485431730;Framedragger;a fine morning to yourself! i see you rise early 1607048;1485432299;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1606932 << the multiple keys thing keeps slipping out of your model of V. "this is my found 'liquishit' key". 1607049;1485432299;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 02:25 asciilifeform: if there is literally no way to memorialize the fact that i took $item off a dead nazi, or dug up from sunken atlantis, rather than wrote it personally -- said item will have to be done without. (unless someone else in your wot does the imho monumentally idiotic act of 'adopting it as own child') 1607050;1485432366;trinque;beyond that, what kind of dishonest hanno shitbag would negrate you for an item you clearly picked up in the forest, and if he doesn't know you well enough to know what your work looks like, has no business rating you. 1607051;1485432450;trinque;Framedragger: I like to start working when the other fleshy meatsacks are turned off 1607052;1485432456;trinque;quieter 1607053;1485432498;davout;"l'avenir appartient à ceux qui se lèvent tôt" 1607054;1485437874;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607021 << iirc d00d is one of those hard-drinking fellas; there was precedent in curing'em 1607055;1485437874;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 07:07 mircea_popescu: To be clear re ^ : dude's been trying to attack the republic for over a year by now through the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't. 1607056;1485437888;asciilifeform;but granted, it is an unlikely thing. 1607057;1485438372;*;adlai doesn't drink much anymore, but apparently mircea can still smell the solvent, like a satisfied homeopathic patient 1607058;1485438423;adlai;the ready solution being to drink more (of the right fluids), talk less (of the wasted-breath variety), and maybe not as much in mircea's direction. 1607059;1485438507;asciilifeform;adlai: consider that it is not obvious that you no longer drink. 1607060;1485438568;*;adlai is not a teetotaler in most fields, despite the expulpated exhortations. 1607061;1485438579;asciilifeform;adlai: also consider taking up useful work. 1607062;1485438612;asciilifeform;as befits a literate d00d. write a vtron. or pick up an actual unsolved problem from the logz. 1607063;1485438708;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607048 << i did not forget it, trinque , but it is a very bitter pill, as i suspect folx will discover for themselves when they actually take said pill 1607064;1485438708;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 12:04 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1606932 << the multiple keys thing keeps slipping out of your model of V. "this is my found 'liquishit' key". 1607065;1485438724;trinque;do elaborate 1607066;1485438764;*;adlai doesn't like publishing incomplete work, even if it's useful for cave divering archaeologists. asciilifeform might be the first to see a useful turd, if one should drop. until then, radio silence. 1607067;1485438765;trinque;though I favor http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607050 1607068;1485438765;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 12:06 trinque: beyond that, what kind of dishonest hanno shitbag would negrate you for an item you clearly picked up in the forest, and if he doesn't know you well enough to know what your work looks like, has no business rating you. 1607069;1485438790;asciilifeform;trinque: recall the 'tulpa' garden of horrors. 1607070;1485438847;asciilifeform;trinque: for 'you clearly picked up in the forest' to hold, said fact must be clearly and unambiguously memorialized. 1607071;1485438896;trinque;if you bring i.e. tinyscheme into a v-tree, is it not your cross to bear? 1607072;1485438954;trinque;could always leave an expository comment in a file in your patch, but I don't know that it holds that "found item" is less the v-author's fault 1607073;1485438974;asciilifeform;trinque: see the 'wife vs cow' example 1607074;1485438982;trinque;there is the tulpa garden of horrors, and then there is the "everyone perpetually avoids blame" one 1607075;1485438998;asciilifeform;trinque: that is the actual risk. 1607076;1485439002;trinque;I understood it, but then we are after diminishing the standing of cows in the world 1607077;1485439030;trinque;there is a risk in giving them any place at all 1607078;1485439110;asciilifeform;trinque: realize that current infrastructure is ~100% 'cow'. witness that no one has signed off on, e.g., linux, or gcc, in 'own child' mode, and i will say that you would have to be drinking, to even consider doing so 1607079;1485439201;trinque;we're discussing what's currently in a v-tree, though 1607080;1485439228;trinque;ultimately the surgeon does take full responsibility for the life of the patient, even when the patient is 99% likely to bleed out 1607081;1485439241;trinque;and in those cases I don't think any sane person faults him when the patient dies 1607082;1485439306;trinque;only if someone were blindly applying patches if sealed, and blindly respecting ratings without regard to real relationship, would there be a problem. 1607083;1485439333;asciilifeform;trinque: surgeon in real life makes ~astonishingly~ detailed record of ~what he found~ vs ~what he did~ 1607084;1485439349;trinque;I don't dispute the need of the record 1607085;1485439361;trinque;what comes to mind there is a long scroll within the project 1607086;1485439369;trinque;which each vpatch must (by convention) update 1607087;1485439374;trinque;history.txt 1607088;1485439390;trinque;room for as much rationale and backstory there as is required 1607089;1485439406;asciilifeform;trinque: has a promisetronic flavour to it 1607090;1485439451;trinque;conventions in society are just that; nothing protocolic prevents me from shitting on the floor 1607091;1485439467;trinque;where is it enforced that WoT ratings mean what they do, other than in the minds of thinking men 1607092;1485439470;asciilifeform;tru 1607093;1485439500;trinque;and then when I shit, nobody seals my patch, and eventually I'm known as a floor shitter, and nobody regards my seal 1607094;1485439566;asciilifeform;trinque: the real trouble comes when somebody shits and no one (including, often , the shitter) even notices until , years later, they step in it. 1607095;1485439598;trinque;example as it pertains to the history.txt ? 1607096;1485439679;asciilifeform;docs diverge from code routinely, and it is far from always the case that someone notices and corrects immediately. 1607097;1485439726;trinque;aside from rationale given in history.txt, an author is giving his patch "without reservation" 1607098;1485439773;trinque;scope starts from the broadest possible assertion of "this is, so help me god" and only narrows if somebody says 1607099;1485439785;trinque;which doesn't obligate anyone to accept their narrowing, either 1607100;1485439878;trinque;reactor 99947 vaporized the king upon inspection. who's asking the engineer what his rationale was? 1607101;1485439879;asciilifeform;trinque: understand, i ~like~ docs, version histories, literate comments, and use'em in own work. but hey do not solve the problem from subj thread in a permanent and unambiguous way. 1607102;1485439892;asciilifeform;*they 1607103;1485439977;asciilifeform;trinque: a situation where literally nobody is willing to maintain reactor, is a very real risk. 1607104;1485439993;asciilifeform;we are quite close to it even now. 1607105;1485440094;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607066 << i can certainly understand this viewpoint, but have come to also discover (and appreciate the fact) that tmsr does actually tolerate 'incomplete work' if it's useful, and provide gainful feedback. 1607106;1485440094;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 13:52 adlai doesn't like publishing incomplete work, even if it's useful for cave divering archaeologists. asciilifeform might be the first to see a useful turd, if one should drop. until then, radio silence. 1607107;1485440105;asciilifeform;there are two fundamentally different, for all time, types of code. 1607108;1485440113;trinque;asciilifeform: seems the problem there has as much to do with the fact that a gentleman would have to dedicate a very large part of his life to making further, sweeping improvements to the trb codebase 1607109;1485440117;asciilifeform;1) code that you wrote. 1607110;1485440118;trinque;as whether anyone wants to sign 1607111;1485440125;asciilifeform;2) code others wrote 1607112;1485440183;trinque;what is concerning is importing the github open source mentality of "not own code, not my fault" 1607113;1485440190;asciilifeform;(2) can, with rivers of sweat, be -- theoretically-- subsumed into (1), but most folx who think that they have done this for a nontrivial program, are deluding themselves 1607114;1485440217;trinque;I have seen this in every company I worked for in earlier years. guy grabs some open source turd, then when it breaks he cries "not my fault! just found it!" 1607115;1485440234;asciilifeform;trinque: my aim in writing 'v' was to enable 'my code -- my responsibility ' 1607116;1485440242;trinque;indeed. 1607117;1485440254;asciilifeform;imho this necessarily goes with 'not my code -- not my responsibility '. 1607118;1485440286;trinque;what will prevent perpetual notmycode-ism 1607119;1485440325;asciilifeform;there is no mechanical way of preventing idiocy. 1607120;1485440358;trinque;there we agree wholly 1607121;1485440443;asciilifeform;trinque: consider the trb-genesis as a successful use case of the thing i am asking for. 1607122;1485440444;thestringpuller;!~isup http://danielpbarron.com/ 1607123;1485440448;jhvh1;thestringpuller: It's not just you. danielpbarron.com/ appears to be down. 1607124;1485440460;trinque;^ guy said something about migrating it 1607125;1485440497;trinque;semi-relatedly, deedbot will be catching up on blocks for a bit this morning. I shut it down earlier to move old db files to a slower drive. 1607126;1485440498;asciilifeform;trinque: in that instance, a number of people were able to sign some code without taking ~any~ authorship responsibility, but strictly to proclaim historical authenticity and provenance, 1607127;1485440501;asciilifeform;. 1607128;1485440516;trinque;we also agree on the necessity of being able to make that statement 1607129;1485440517;asciilifeform;all i ask is that said act not require a collective head nod. 1607130;1485440524;trinque;but as I see it, the statement was made adequately 1607131;1485440600;asciilifeform;trinque: now consider mircea_popescu's objection to the way i structured shiva patches. 1607132;1485440925;thestringpuller;Curb Your Enthusiasm is back after a 6 year hiatus. Larry David says he was "busy with other stuff" 1607133;1485440957;thestringpuller;^- for the Seinfeld fans, but they probably already know. (I was happily surprised). 1607134;1485441080;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: planning to join adlai? 1607135;1485441238;asciilifeform;trinque: the specific cure to 'not my fault, i Just Found It' is specifically the human-readable comments. which i included plenty of , including asciiart jolly roger, in shiva glue patch. 1607136;1485441257;asciilifeform;it was quite clearly marked as a mortally dangerous thing, for laboratory use only. 1607137;1485441304;asciilifeform;(my original aim with tinyscheme was strictly to weld an interactive debugger into own trbtron.) 1607138;1485441376;asciilifeform;the problem, hypothetically, begins years from now, when i am living in nazi dome in antarctica, or long dead, etc. but at any rate moved past all of this; and other folx pick up shiva and decide that it is now 'safe'. 1607139;1485441381;jurov;asciilifeform: will there ever be a "works as described, use in production" item in this vein? 1607140;1485441395;jurov;i suspect never 1607141;1485441441;asciilifeform;jurov: which item specifically 1607142;1485441458;asciilifeform;and what means 'production' 1607143;1485441470;jurov;anything NOT "marked as a mortally dangerous thing" 1607144;1485441478;asciilifeform;is trb in use 'in production' somewhere ? 1607145;1485441481;asciilifeform;the answer is unknown to me 1607146;1485441494;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu still does not use trb to touch actual megacoinz 1607147;1485441521;trinque;depends if you consider deedbot production use 1607148;1485441527;trinque;but it has worked rather well there 1607149;1485441563;asciilifeform;trinque: a good chunk of the appeal, i dare say, of trb, is the ~pedigree~ 1607150;1485441614;Framedragger;...and so it is that tmsr uses elliptic curve crypto in its production :) 1607151;1485441621;Framedragger;(sorry, sorry.) 1607152;1485441659;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there is, at this very moment, a rotting dead groundhog under asciilifeform's shed. 1607153;1485441670;asciilifeform;does it follow that ' tmsr uses dead groundhogs in production ' ? 1607154;1485441705;Framedragger;i'm sorry but that's false equivalence. EC crypto is used in timestamping service which is used for actual business transactions. not as trivial as dead passive animal under house 1607155;1485441722;asciilifeform;the rotting beast is anything but passive from my pov. 1607156;1485441746;Framedragger;does it tell you where to send money? 1607157;1485441780;asciilifeform;if it were larger it would most assuredly cause me to spend considerable money to arrange its removal. 1607158;1485441812;asciilifeform;but Framedragger has a larger and imho relevant point, the ecc in trb is part of the world-as-we-found-it 1607159;1485441847;asciilifeform;and trb-genesis let it be CLEARLY and PERMANENTLY marked as not-child-of-mine, for each of the signatories. 1607160;1485441879;asciilifeform;because unfortunately lenin was right when he wrote 'we build new world from the planks of the old shithouse we blew up, not from imported brick' 1607161;1485441892;Framedragger;(yes and for that reason V is an insanely useful and (i'm coming to realize) very important tool.) 1607162;1485441964;asciilifeform;Framedragger: understand, i would like to live to see the day when we use NOTHING at all that is not from the wot. 1607163;1485441971;asciilifeform;not silicon, not chairs, knives, forks. 1607164;1485442016;asciilifeform;but until then , need tools that let folx take MEANINGFUL responsibility, rather than volunteering at every turn to hang for things that they NEVER TOOK PART IN 1607165;1485442037;asciilifeform;( or to have to choose between this, and silence/cowardice ) 1607166;1485442135;asciilifeform;in this vein mircea_popescu's answer '1 man, 1000 keys' is probably the closest thing to practical solution proposed, but imho it does not eliminate the problem, it is still something that must be lived with 1607167;1485442158;asciilifeform;and it is worth discussing ~how~ to best live with it. 1607168;1485442269;asciilifeform;(and i will also note, mircea_popescu's method puts serious mechanical stress on a part of tmsr that is at present time not well-developed -- navigation of elaborate, deep, and TIME-VARIANT relationships between wot inhabitants) 1607169;1485442349;asciilifeform;main risk becomes the one described in http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ . 1607170;1485442404;Framedragger;a timestamped and signed wot (navigable via time axis) may be one of those few technical tools within wot management which may actually be helpful :) 1607171;1485442434;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu did not like idea of signed wot ratings. 1607172;1485442458;asciilifeform;but as i see it, if you are going to have the 'multiple personalities' thing, you MUST have signed ratings. 1607173;1485442458;mircea_popescu;there's whole discussion re that. you got teh link ? 1607174;1485442467;asciilifeform;aha! i've been digging for it for 10min nao 1607175;1485442467;trinque;ahaha, I was searching for it, got alf just now as first result 1607176;1485442474;mircea_popescu;lol 1607177;1485442501;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576975 << possibly this 1607178;1485442501;a111;Logged on 2016-12-02 23:36 mircea_popescu: and for this reason ratings can't have to be signed - they can never be opposed to the maker. 1607179;1485442532;mircea_popescu;this is the more recent ; there was one also illo tempore but w/e. 1607180;1485442554;mircea_popescu;anyway. not that, nor this, leads to "you MUST have signed ratings" 1607181;1485442589;asciilifeform;it isn't a 'you must', but rather 'you can have unsigned-ratings XOR multiple-v-personalities' 1607182;1485442590;mircea_popescu;and you also don't "must have signed gossipd lines", either. there was a mega discussion re that also on gossipd thread 1607183;1485442595;mircea_popescu;not so. 1607184;1485442633;asciilifeform;if you try an' have both, everyone simply fragments into 1,001 'tulpas' and an unsullied and 'never wrong' ceremonial kinglet. 1607185;1485442668;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://akphoto2.ask.fm/8cb/997d0/d29a/4e8f/9d23/753af0de208c/original/543557.jpg 1607186;1485442670;asciilifeform;while scammers try to play split-list games and unite, with sleigh of hand, their 'not been wrong yet' keys into a Great Hero 1607187;1485442684;asciilifeform;*sleight 1607188;1485442684;mircea_popescu;this is still the case now. and always will be. 1607189;1485442689;mircea_popescu;there isn't a mechanical way out of it. 1607190;1485442746;asciilifeform;there is not. but detection can be easier or harder depending on how wot operates. 1607191;1485442756;asciilifeform;i see 0 reason to make it ANY harder than it has to be. 1607192;1485442773;asciilifeform;i would like to see ~less~ breathing air in the world for the people who do this. 1607193;1485442776;asciilifeform;not more. 1607194;1485442782;mircea_popescu;your "easier" is entirely illusory. every time you try to use levers on a puddle of mud water, you get mud on face AND NAUGHT ELSE. 1607195;1485442792;mircea_popescu;there isn't a mechanical process for levers and swamp water. 1607196;1485442807;asciilifeform;swamps, if we must use this analogy, can be filled. 1607197;1485442813;asciilifeform;(as in mr.t's slogan) 1607198;1485442817;asciilifeform;filled, drained. 1607199;1485442818;mircea_popescu;i understand that you see it stationary and imagine it's glass. it's not glass. it moves in response to your measures. 1607200;1485442842;mircea_popescu;yes, swamps "can be filled", but i'm not ready to shoot you all yet. 1607201;1485442885;asciilifeform;then ought to take an interest in instruments that distinguish, precisely whom to shoot, and when. 1607202;1485442895;mircea_popescu;that's what the wot is! 1607203;1485442936;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607045 << yeah srsly, sucks to not be five eyes! 1607204;1485442936;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 11:47 trinque: dutchies just wishing they were invited to the NSA, GHQ, BND party 1607205;1485442940;asciilifeform;not if all acts carrying risk can be laundered off onto an unattributable and unopposable 'tulpa'. 1607206;1485442955;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what some luser must be thinking to join "dutch secret services". it's like joining the new jersey tv station. dude what. 1607207;1485442973;asciilifeform;('hey that wasn't MY sub-persona, i never signed the rating') 1607208;1485442980;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they can be so treated no matter what you do. any attemps you make to "make it impossible" simply break your tool. 1607209;1485442995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox to elaborate 1607210;1485443062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you keep trying to design-for-ai. there's no need and no call for that ; moreover no practical way to ever do it. wot permitted me to ascertain enough information to eg behead that adlai schmuck most recently. there's no way "for you to explain how i reasoned to a machine", or even in general, and that doesn't hurt or stop me. moreover if there was such a way, then he'd simply act differently next time. and ther 1607211;1485443062;mircea_popescu;e WILL BE A NEXT TIME. 1607212;1485443066;mircea_popescu;no matter what you do. 1607213;1485443076;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't do ai. i do ia. 1607214;1485443084;asciilifeform;('intelligence amplification') 1607215;1485443108;mircea_popescu;yes but at a cost. and in places you're too used to paying that cost. 1607216;1485443187;asciilifeform;v, for instance, is a classica intelligence amplifier. (if mircea_popescu recalls, asciilifeform resisted actually ~writing~ it, and said, approx., 'a reasonable person ought to be able to Do All Of This In His Head') 1607217;1485443197;asciilifeform;*classical 1607218;1485443205;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem here is that there's no way to reason in the manner you expect to reason. IF anything about the wot process is opposable to anyone involved ; then the wot process becomes by that measure less useful. no change whatsoever appears in the swamp it's made to confront. 1607219;1485443259;mircea_popescu;we can study contained examples if you wish, but the general principle is quite undisturbed. 1607220;1485443283;asciilifeform;the reason why asciilifeform listened to mircea_popescu , and actually wrote the tool, is the very real human limitations that exist, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-05#1225522 1607221;1485443283;a111;Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard". 1607222;1485443308;mircea_popescu;sure. 1607223;1485443316;asciilifeform;and with respect to this, none of us have the meatware to navigate a hypothetical #trilema where 1,000,001 tulpatrons are speaking, instead of 6 d00dz 1607224;1485443328;mircea_popescu;really ? 1607225;1485443399;mircea_popescu;i dunno how much of this is habit. consider for a second the case of the nickname dude, who is currently having a meltdown in my comment section on the apparent expectation that i somehow care what he said and i read the various comments as comming ~from the same one guy~. he actually thinks this ; actually expects me to allocate INDIVIDUALITY on the basis of anonymous. it's almost as if i were to wake up every morning and on 1607226;1485443399;mircea_popescu; the basis of THAT decide i'm waking up in the same place. 1607227;1485443409;asciilifeform;this is one of those things that looks feasible because the contemplated case is 'the same people i work with now, but in different costumes', rather than 'cacophony 50 yrs from now' 1607228;1485443439;mircea_popescu;let me ask you a side question. 1607229;1485443451;asciilifeform;fire away 1607230;1485443494;mircea_popescu;were the girls in the school were asciilifeform went to when he was 12 ever engaged in that procedure where they call up one boy pretending they're $randomgirl who trulyloveshim for the sake of seeing wtf happens next day in school ? 1607231;1485443509;asciilifeform;pretty sure that this was done. 1607232;1485443523;mircea_popescu;so what 50 years from now ? 1607233;1485443530;asciilifeform;it worked in the pre-mobilepnoje era. 1607234;1485443557;mircea_popescu;yes, and oin the pre-phone era they used letters. 1607235;1485443565;mircea_popescu;half of french classical literature is this alone. 1607236;1485443584;mircea_popescu;womenz have identitty issues mkay ? it's not "future 50 years". it's been here forever ; will stay. 1607237;1485443592;asciilifeform;lemme approach from slightly different angle. one of the reasons why wot works as well as it does, is a certain human weakness of malefactors, where they habitually stick to one or a very few persona, and make admissions-against-interest. 1607238;1485443633;mircea_popescu;notreally, no. 1607239;1485443645;mircea_popescu;the wot works entirely unrelatedly to the person examined, that's the point. 1607240;1485443661;mircea_popescu;underlined as such in the wot article too. that's the important point : wot works WITHOUT the person being examined. 1607241;1485443664;asciilifeform;and not only scammers. for all of the annoying habits of, e.g., adlai, i'd still much rather have 1 adlai than to have to perform the calculation of 'is this an adlai-tulpa' every time a new name appears. 1607242;1485443679;mircea_popescu;but why would you care ? 1607243;1485443696;mircea_popescu;i don't distinguish between eg adlai or nubbins ; i haven't allocated a handle ; they're just $dork, whatever. 1607244;1485443714;asciilifeform;because if we have login for n00bz at all, that is a mental cheque that gets written and ends up cashed. 1607245;1485443717;mircea_popescu;to obtain a handle one must do specific things ; if they don't, they don't. i don't give out handles like candy because why would i. 1607246;1485443725;mircea_popescu;to quote celentano, "i already met enough people this month" 1607247;1485443740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. do you know the names of all the women you fucked ? 1607248;1485443742;mircea_popescu;who cares. 1607249;1485443757;mircea_popescu;i know names of women ; some of which i've not fucked ; but not on that basis. 1607250;1485443791;Framedragger;(something tells me that mircea_popescu's latest example does not work amazingly well here) 1607251;1485443797;asciilifeform;this is exactly the 'we don't need versionatron!' thread but with asciilifeform's and mircea_popescu's speaking parts reversed. 1607252;1485443802;mircea_popescu;Framedragger which how ? 1607253;1485443808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tis not! 1607254;1485443855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: argument, seems to me, is that 'keeping track of subpersonalities is free, because mircea_popescu never had problem with it, on account of not ever having to actually do much of it' 1607255;1485443871;mircea_popescu;argument is "keeping track of non-wot-ids is pointless, shouldn't be done" 1607256;1485443878;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: names of women you fucked. i know the names and there aren't too many of 'em. and for some strange indefensible reason i think this applies to many folx here. but this is a tangent 1607257;1485443912;asciilifeform;Framedragger: use example of 'women you bought coffee from' if better fits. 1607258;1485443921;Framedragger;suresure! 1607259;1485443922;asciilifeform;(in usa at least they for some unknown reason have name tags attached) 1607260;1485443925;mircea_popescu;Framedragger but the example shows ~shouldn't~ not ~doesn't~. 1607261;1485443941;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suddenly that reason not so unknown. 1607262;1485443957;mircea_popescu;usg.starbucks doing its part to fight the "rapey mp coffee". 1607263;1485443972;mircea_popescu;they even put the name on the cups! 1607264;1485443976;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik it is part of the strange 'let poor schmucks Feel Like They Have Servant for 5min' thing americans have going 1607265;1485444008;mircea_popescu;that's what it pretends to be ; what it is i nfact, at least to my eyes, is more of the same usg social-democracy. 1607266;1485444023;mircea_popescu;if it actually were what it pretends, they'd be topless. 1607267;1485444050;mircea_popescu;~nobody wants their name on their tits ; a degree of magnitude more than that ~nobody want the blouse off the tits. 1607268;1485444057;asciilifeform;iirc there was some petroburger chain where they ~were~ 1607269;1485444077;mircea_popescu;i've not kept track , but anyways. 1607270;1485444118;Framedragger;(in america, no-one is poor; some are millionaire entrepreneurs with current cashflow problems) 1607271;1485444190;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607053 << either to them or else to they who keep making these walmart cards! 1607272;1485444190;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 12:08 davout: "l'avenir appartient à ceux qui se lèvent tôt" 1607273;1485444217;asciilifeform;to briefly revisit upstack, afaik the only people alive today with serious skill in managing a large cloud of sub-identities, are scammers. and that this is unlikely to change. 1607274;1485444245;asciilifeform;and personality fragmentation is Bad For You, perhaps more so than smoking. 1607275;1485444254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me recount a different story, if you will. 1607276;1485444263;asciilifeform;recount, i'll bbs, meat. 1607277;1485444470;*;mircea_popescu acquired new $slavegirl. intelligent girl, very educable (i don't just mean in terms of training-for-slavery, a la BCT, i mean scholarily, with a native thirst for knowledge and a natural dedication to clean thinking) and altogether very pleasant. for historical reasons, unexperienced socially (twentysomething, second time she was in a bar, i took her there) and not particularily capable of talking to people. 1607278;1485444471;mircea_popescu;so obviously her task at some point turned to... go out and talk to women. IN THE FUCKING STREET. she broke up in hives, she got gastritis, but my stick was firmer than the flesh and within a few short weeks retrospectively (that no doubt seemed endless then) acquired all the required skills, abilities and practices, and now can talk to random person on cue, with the best of the salesmen. 1607279;1485444473;mircea_popescu;which she isn't, visibly, to me. and to her. and to no one else. 1607280;1485444499;mircea_popescu;skills are skills. the expectation that one will go from craddle to grave without having to touch arbitrary class of skills "because i just don't go that way" is entirely hallucinant nonsense. 1607281;1485444545;mircea_popescu;for the exact same reason classical antiquity couldn't have blind emperors ; we today can't delegate "the people stuff" to others. we also cant' delegate "the numbers stuff" to others. there's no mechanical way out of this. 1607282;1485444572;mircea_popescu;yes, i'm aware palm calculators exist for a while now. they don't "fix math" for the blonde ditz. 1607283;1485444989;mircea_popescu;in summa, this then is the covenant of the republic : that everything here exists to serve your needs ; and that you can't have needs that can't be. 1607284;1485445280;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607087 << this is actually not half-bad an idea, and it goes nicely in the direction of phf 's literate code, which i still think should be a distant, but present goal. 1607285;1485445280;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:02 trinque: history.txt 1607286;1485445483;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607094 << this is entirely valid and utterly true. as the space of representation is so much larger than any possible inquiry (refresher http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594978 ) it then follows that plenty of shits won't be found until stepped on. 1607287;1485445483;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:06 asciilifeform: trinque: the real trouble comes when somebody shits and no one (including, often , the shitter) even notices until , years later, they step in it. 1607288;1485445483;a111;Logged on 2016-12-31 19:29 mircea_popescu: are you familiar with the von neumann set ? 1607289;1485445517;mircea_popescu;there is no good solution to this problem, but small codebases aka fit-in-head is a very strong paleative, and to my mind its chief merit comes from just this. 1607290;1485445601;mircea_popescu;trusted participants is the other. 1607291;1485445640;mircea_popescu;which is how you end up with an operating room : a neat place with few nooks and crannies where only surgeons (as opposed to mice ; cockroaches ; bacteria) are allowed access. as a result, no shit hiding in corners. 1607292;1485445665;mircea_popescu;both because not that many corners, and not that many shitters. 1607293;1485445679;mircea_popescu;there isn't a better approach to this. in particular "creating a semi-permeable membrane" is not one of them. 1607294;1485445714;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/se-da-o-membrana/ << in related lulz. 1607295;1485445966;mircea_popescu;"Plus ca e o nesecata fantana de umor. De exemplu : Cum isi gaseste un inginer cheile de la masina ? Construieste o membrana semi-permeabila care ingaduie trecerea oricarui obiect dar impiedica trecerea cheilor de masina." eerily apt in this conversation. 1607296;1485446650;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607293 << from where do you get 'operating room, with surgeons but not roaches' without said membrane or equivalent ? 1607297;1485446650;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 15:47 mircea_popescu: there isn't a better approach to this. in particular "creating a semi-permeable membrane" is not one of them. 1607298;1485446664;asciilifeform;and in fact healthy man's own body is precisely a set of semipermeable surfaces. 1607299;1485446719;mircea_popescu;from promise. 1607300;1485446754;asciilifeform;last i saw an operating room, it was sterilized by more than mere promise. 1607301;1485446781;mircea_popescu;but it was not sterilized by straining through semi-permeable membrane. 1607302;1485446785;asciilifeform;(operating room is not even best example. ever been to what is in usa called a 'type 4 lab' ? the kind with air lock.) 1607303;1485446793;mircea_popescu;sure ; very similar. 1607304;1485446810;asciilifeform;similar except that it is concerned with egress rather than ingress. 1607305;1485446814;mircea_popescu;that's kept sterile via airflow, which is to say, the continual negrating of random idiots who don't evidently have no business there. and such things. 1607306;1485446832;mircea_popescu;the continual ejection of lines of code which "Who knows, maybe they're useful" 1607307;1485446837;mircea_popescu;ie, dust and bacteria. out it goes. 1607308;1485446848;mircea_popescu;THAT is a process that works ; an imaginary strainer is fap fodder. 1607309;1485446853;asciilifeform;correct, but note, it is done here using wot mechanisms, rather than hand-cranked moderator. 1607310;1485446863;asciilifeform;~amplified~ intelligence. 1607311;1485446898;mircea_popescu;quite. 1607312;1485446903;mircea_popescu;well amplified social skills, but yes. 1607313;1485446917;asciilifeform;in principle, strong d00d-with-shovel is exactly same as bulldozer. but in practice he is not, and bulldozer changed the type of construction that can be reasonably contemplated. 1607314;1485446930;mircea_popescu;i'm not a luddite yo. 1607315;1485447097;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607096 << yes but the meaning of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607284 was precisely that we CAN enforce "keep docs and code in same place ; and keep them in step or die". at least eventually. 1607316;1485447097;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:07 asciilifeform: docs diverge from code routinely, and it is far from always the case that someone notices and corrects immediately. 1607317;1485447097;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 15:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607087 << this is actually not half-bad an idea, and it goes nicely in the direction of phf 's literate code, which i still think should be a distant, but present goal. 1607318;1485447123;mircea_popescu;which will be an awesome gain about on par with going from shovel to hydraulic autolocomotive tools. 1607319;1485447168;asciilifeform;except that it'll be no gain at all if as a result the expected material for ALL construction is granite. 1607320;1485447176;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607100 << this is iffy. i, for instance, would ask. i think. 1607321;1485447176;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:11 trinque: reactor 99947 vaporized the king upon inspection. who's asking the engineer what his rationale was? 1607322;1485447271;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's true that once women started shaving it "never stopped" and adult vulvas look preteen these days. there's even some eyebrow shaving and repainting. but nobody;s shaved off their eyelashes yet ; on the contrary, those are fetishized and at expense elongated, painted etc. 1607323;1485447317;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suppose it is because preteens etc. still have eyelashes 1607324;1485447352;asciilifeform;there is not yet afaik a fad of removing noses, ears, either. 1607325;1485447383;mircea_popescu;somehow that hair doesn't bother. but anyway. you find yourself with each foot in a different rowboat, because on one hand you don;t want everything to be high quality code ; and on the other you think shitty quality code normalizes it and begets more of the same. 1607326;1485447386;mircea_popescu;well, which is it ? 1607327;1485447423;asciilifeform;technological 'tower of babel' is built of many materials. has granite core, yes 1607328;1485447428;asciilifeform;but also wooden ladders. 1607329;1485447429;mircea_popescu;how do you know it's NOT good to have everything be made out of granite ? 1607330;1485447500;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same way i know 'it is NOT good to have the only vehicle be antigrav' 1607331;1485447512;mircea_popescu;this is not a good answer. 1607332;1485447522;asciilifeform;we simply do not have the granite-world. and if we ever get it, it will be from 1,001 years of living in wooden one. 1607333;1485447528;asciilifeform;and gradually replacing the wood. 1607334;1485447537;mircea_popescu;since all code is code ; unlike how all materials are different atoms ; it may then perhaps follow that if you're going to code at all, best make it good. 1607335;1485447595;asciilifeform;to code -- yes. but original thread concerned agricultural husbandry of old code, from heathendom. 1607336;1485447640;asciilifeform;incidentally i am not seeing much uptake for the 'walking the walk' of mircea_popescu's position, so far. afaik asciilifeform is the only one currently struggling with ada, for instance. 1607337;1485447650;asciilifeform;(it is quite a struggle.) 1607338;1485447656;mircea_popescu;original thread was vague and ramified. i don't see what more you need than alf-fucks-goats key ; and the bugaboo of "but mp, then everyone can make random keys i won't know about" seems more like a childhood nightmare than anything. 1607339;1485447708;asciilifeform;it is partly the long-term 'ecological' perspective on this practice, that bothers me; but also that pretending to be multiple people, while being one, is a fundamentally dishonest and truth-hiding act. 1607340;1485447727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ben_vulpes and davout are evidently struggling with the trb ; so was mod6 before we fucked up his week with v stuff ; diana_coman is purging idiocy out of eulora and so on. plenty of people. 1607341;1485447791;asciilifeform;notice, almost everyone is ultimately occupied with 'husbandry of cows' 1607342;1485447793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no argument there. not like it is VERBOTEN to structure the identities in a treee etc. 1607343;1485447801;mircea_popescu;the whole problem is that it's not possible to make it mandatory. 1607344;1485447810;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607339 << just some conceptual posturing from me, but: i maintain that it's not 'dishonest' and may in fact be a robust strategy to survive in the world. it's easy to misuse it, though. 1607345;1485447810;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 16:21 asciilifeform: it is partly the long-term 'ecological' perspective on this practice, that bothers me; but also that pretending to be multiple people, while being one, is a fundamentally dishonest and truth-hiding act. 1607346;1485447822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my criticism was specifically that structuring them ~unopposably~ is an act of dishonesty. 1607347;1485447840;asciilifeform;and dishonesty -- is always paid for, in the end. 1607348;1485447846;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it's an age-based thing. younguns tend to try it out because thye need to because they suck ; as they stop sucking they stop needing to and adult identity is born. nothing wrong with any part of this. 1607349;1485447861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but also not necessarily your concern. 1607350;1485447871;mircea_popescu;most crimes actually contain their punishment. greek style. 1607351;1485447900;asciilifeform;the catch is that the miscreant and the punished are often disjoint. 1607352;1485447906;mircea_popescu;show me ? 1607353;1485447911;asciilifeform;the bezzle is an example. 1607354;1485447922;mircea_popescu;i hold the malfeasant is punished there. 1607355;1485447928;mircea_popescu;allow me to expound : 1607356;1485447971;mircea_popescu;romanian (at least before it was invaded and colonized by nato) culture has no concept of tort. the universal opposition to any attempt to pass the responsibility buck is "si daca-ti spunea sa sari in fintina, tu sareai ?" ie, and if he told you to jump down the well, would you have ? 1607357;1485447991;mircea_popescu;this is introduced at the latest to 7yos, and it's how it is, permanently. 1607358;1485448012;asciilifeform;'mmm' is legal in ro today ? 1607359;1485448022;asciilifeform;as in '90s ru 1607360;1485448023;mircea_popescu;the 1996 version certainly was. 1607361;1485448028;asciilifeform;i asked re today 1607362;1485448041;mircea_popescu;i care about romania today in the sense you might care about the hittite empire. it sunk. 1607363;1485448054;mircea_popescu;(i honestly have nfi and can't be arsed to find out) 1607364;1485448074;asciilifeform;and betcha they still prosecute folx who diddle scales when selling goods by the kg, or alter petrol pump, etc 1607365;1485448099;mircea_popescu;nope. there's an official scale kept by market administration in all markets 1607366;1485448104;mircea_popescu;you can go have your things weighed there. 1607367;1485448106;asciilifeform;without honest weights and measures, there is no market, there is (in words of spiffy mircea_popescu article!) 'put maybe-potato in this bag, get a bag of maybe-coins' 1607368;1485448160;mircea_popescu;you may also file a complaint if the weighs don't match ; if they pile on the offender won't be able to hire a stall there. that's about it. 1607369;1485448193;asciilifeform;in righteous olden times there'd be a hanging. 1607370;1485448199;asciilifeform;pouring molten lead into mouth, optionally, also. 1607371;1485448209;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone cares about a kg of produce enough these days. 1607372;1485448213;mircea_popescu;but yes, in olden days there'd be. 1607373;1485448222;asciilifeform;it is the ~principle~ 1607374;1485448228;asciilifeform;that intentional fraud -- is punishable. 1607375;1485448286;mircea_popescu;ideally trhough punishing the "victims". 1607376;1485448314;asciilifeform;'guard labour' is a tax. 1607377;1485448346;asciilifeform;if i gotta bite ~every motherfucking gold coin~ , that is time that i am not doing whatever-else. 1607378;1485448360;mircea_popescu;suppose you find your girl in bed with another oh nm that. suppose you send girl to market, she comes back defrauded. who do you punish, her or him ? 1607379;1485448412;asciilifeform;suppose mircea_popescu catches a hood rat red-handed running off with spare dirible engine from his warehouse. 1607380;1485448421;*;mircea_popescu shoots guard. 1607381;1485448424;asciilifeform;he will shoot? or will say 'ooops, i blame myself, should have guarded better.' 1607382;1485448438;asciilifeform;whom he shoots first? thief, or guard ? 1607383;1485448447;mircea_popescu;i don't actually bother with the thief. 1607384;1485448465;asciilifeform;if you don't pest-control, pests will control you. 1607385;1485448469;mircea_popescu;thief is, as our russki friend points out, only out to do crime to us for goods he could get other place. 1607386;1485448477;mircea_popescu;if we're the target rather than other place it's time to slim down the org. 1607387;1485448506;asciilifeform;there's 'thief addressed to-occupant' and 'thief with your name on it' 1607388;1485448516;asciilifeform;to borrow the 'bullet vs shrapnel' old saw 1607389;1485448576;mircea_popescu;even so. as any half competent mobster can tell you, by the time you're targeted for theft your organsiation's been utter shit for a while. 1607390;1485448579;asciilifeform;the only reasonable answer to targeted, planned, premeditated theft, is to disproportionalely punish the rogue. (as per mircea_popescu's disproportionate-punishment article) 1607391;1485448601;asciilifeform;'tis part of how you avoid being target. 'para bellum' etc. 1607392;1485448617;asciilifeform;this is kindergarten material, i thought. 1607393;1485448628;mircea_popescu;you're misusing terms, that's definitionally not theft. 1607394;1485448722;mircea_popescu;and yes, the answer to "random hootrat" "targeted, planned, premeditating theft of $item" is to take another $item, cut hoodrat's mother's head off and stuff $item in there. 1607395;1485448735;mircea_popescu;makes for excellent xmas celebrations. 1607396;1485448814;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu is perfectly happy to punish those who would personally defraud ~him~ 1607397;1485448823;mircea_popescu;that's not fraud. 1607398;1485448824;asciilifeform;but would tolerate 'gypos' in marketplace under his control ? 1607399;1485448850;asciilifeform;pestilential, unpunished 'gypo' activity is how you end up with popular tyrants to begin with. 1607400;1485448851;mircea_popescu;there's a strict difference between robber (who robs all comers) and invader (who robs you only). 1607401;1485448868;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's also how you end up with merchant empires. 1607402;1485448869;asciilifeform;robs-all-comers is vermin, as desirable as ebola virus. 1607403;1485448895;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider the "from the sewers" spain discussion. yes, as desirable as ebola virus. keeps the 1607404;1485448904;mircea_popescu;"popular" populace numbers low. 1607405;1485448933;asciilifeform;recall the other article though. 1607406;1485448944;asciilifeform;the one where great stink of london, and queen barfed. 1607407;1485448968;asciilifeform;ecology -- is legitimately a thing (as distinct from enviro-whinery) and we all share atmosphere, etc. 1607408;1485448973;mircea_popescu;which one, the one where hanbot says "anyone who could be bothered to use the wot would have known what pirate is up to ; yet none of you fucksticks did, and fuck you, now you wanna dork about the wot not working ?" ? 1607409;1485448986;mircea_popescu;the information is there. daring to not use it is a crime worse than any fraud. 1607410;1485448996;asciilifeform;this, yes. 'trust allah, but tie the camel' 1607411;1485449008;asciilifeform;folx who will not tie the camel -- deserve no sympathy. 1607412;1485449025;mircea_popescu;the pretense that "oh, i don't need the republic" or "oh, i use the tools at my leisure" or generally "oh, i'm an independent thinker in charge of my destiny" is what gets shot. 1607413;1485449045;asciilifeform;you still gotta hang the rogues. they are 'hostis humani generis'. 1607414;1485449050;mircea_popescu;so no, there's no sympathy for "victims". don't be a victim. if you are a victim, either fix yourself or kill yourself. 1607415;1485449055;mircea_popescu;save me the trouble in either case. 1607416;1485449068;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some are ; some aren't. 1607417;1485449077;asciilifeform;what's the distinction? 1607418;1485449090;mircea_popescu;am i going to hang someone for being hostis idiotas ? 1607419;1485449108;asciilifeform;idiotas != humani 1607420;1485449109;mircea_popescu;who next do i hang, whores ? for taking from fools money for that which they'd have free if they weren't fools ? 1607421;1485449169;mircea_popescu;wives next, yes, because totally, if whores hang the wives hang with them. 1607422;1485449171;mircea_popescu;who's left ? 1607423;1485449182;asciilifeform;i don't see this fog of war. 1607424;1485449235;asciilifeform;lemme ask mircea_popescu : would he classify , e.g., pirate, as 'hostis humani generis' ? 1607425;1485449257;asciilifeform;if he were merely 'legitimately separating idiots from money', then why yes ? 1607426;1485449258;mircea_popescu;nope 1607427;1485449263;asciilifeform;so why the negrate 1607428;1485449302;mircea_popescu;wait, you mean pirate the bitcoin dork or pirate the historical element ? 1607429;1485449307;asciilifeform;the former 1607430;1485449313;mircea_popescu;and in the former case : because I KNOW he's a scammer. 1607431;1485449329;mircea_popescu;i didn't order a hit on his fucking house, mind. this isn't because i can't have random residence firebombed. 1607432;1485449339;mircea_popescu;i can. don't opt to, because i don't see the merits. 1607433;1485449355;asciilifeform;but if we're going with 'answer lies in the sewers', then are scammers not 'part of circle of life' and 'janitors of the forest', mopping up the weak ? 1607434;1485449372;mircea_popescu;yes, but this doesn't mean we suddenly not know they're scammers. 1607435;1485449439;asciilifeform;as i see it, a large part of 'why wot' is to deliberately interfere with the 'circle of life' , to deny the scammer his easy prey. 1607436;1485449451;asciilifeform;just like city wall keeps out the bear. 1607437;1485449472;mircea_popescu;i'm an oracle, if you wish. people can ask me questions and get answers, which conform to a specified model ; and STAY conformant in the future. 1607438;1485449491;mircea_popescu;this is a kind of service. scammer does another kind of service. 1607439;1485449497;mircea_popescu;traditionally these are represented with + and -. 1607440;1485449504;mircea_popescu;there's not more meaning in there. 1607441;1485449527;mircea_popescu;the only hostis humani generis are the anonymous usg tools. the gavin-koch-weimer-boeck-younameit. 1607442;1485449538;asciilifeform;scammer does 'service' like earthquake does service. 1607443;1485449551;mircea_popescu;those who would deny their identity, chiefly to themselves, those who'd take what that simon fellow calls "the bargain" for "civilisation". those are the enemy. 1607444;1485449556;mircea_popescu;indiancandy isn't. 1607445;1485449571;asciilifeform;did i miss a log day.. whom did indiancandy scam 1607446;1485449586;mircea_popescu;nobody as far as i know. 1607447;1485449596;asciilifeform;so how does the example work, plox to elaborate 1607448;1485449612;mircea_popescu;whore, scammer, confused ditz, they may get in your way - but they aren't the enemy. 1607449;1485449628;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1606942 << The dirty Kraut immigrants in the North had this convention called "housebarn" 1607450;1485449628;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 02:31 asciilifeform: shiva(tinyscheme) is not a wife, it is a cow. it is quite possible to have a house without a cow. if you do have a cow, it lives in separate structure, and nobody will need to be reminded that it is not a wife. 1607451;1485449678;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's a housebarn 1607452;1485449687;mircea_popescu;egyptians did it too. 1607453;1485449753;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: while we're on subj of 'gets in the way but not enemy' -- how come 'adlai attacked republic by dropping snr' but not indiancandy ? is it because the latter lays claim to tits ? 1607454;1485449766;asciilifeform;what if we learn that 'she' is a d00d ? in israel no less ? 1607455;1485449767;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Single building with house area and barn area and shared air circulation between the 2. Was all the rage in Wisconsin and Minnesota because Krauts are dirty savages. 1607456;1485449794;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sounds like minor variation of historic euro norm of ' i live with my pigs ' 1607457;1485449795;mircea_popescu;has no "dropping snr" component. 1607458;1485449832;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Variation with masonry foundation 1607459;1485449873;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from my perch, i see ~0 meaningful diff b/w icandy and adlai. 1607460;1485449886;BingoBoingo;http://centrevillesettlement.com/lutzehb.htm 1607461;1485449888;trinque;she has no pretensions to being other than tits 1607462;1485449891;asciilifeform;with possible exception that one 'had to be a cow' and other 'could have not been a cow', to borrow from mircea_popescu's piece 1607463;1485449891;mircea_popescu;since it's amusing in context, consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607011 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606754 1607464;1485449891;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 04:49 adlai was gonna update on 'homework' but complies with sir's request 1607465;1485449891;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 23:24 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how about http://trilema.com/2009/pe-scurt-despre-analiza-tranzactionala/ 1607466;1485449895;asciilifeform;but today -- both cow. 1607467;1485449905;mircea_popescu;really, schmuck is going to foist deals on me ? in what parallel fucking universe. 1607468;1485449967;asciilifeform;i did not read 'deal' in the quoted bit 1607469;1485449970;trinque;asciilifeform ever work in an office with an attractive couple of office assistants or whatever? 1607470;1485449973;asciilifeform;but submission, same as the chick's 1607471;1485449991;asciilifeform;trinque: i've worked in all kinds of sharashkas. why? 1607472;1485450011;trinque;they never actually do anything but be there female 1607473;1485450014;mircea_popescu;yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood. 1607474;1485450018;mircea_popescu;except i'm not his mommy. 1607475;1485450023;mircea_popescu;and we literally, and entirely, do not care. 1607476;1485450036;mircea_popescu;i could make ten of him and i wouldn't even need women to help me. 1607477;1485450036;asciilifeform;and yes incl. the kind where chick 'really wants to visit your office after hours and Learn How Robot Is Programmed' etc 1607478;1485450053;trinque;sounds great 1607479;1485450078;asciilifeform;trinque: i think i see your angle tho. however it dun do much outside of meatspace, imho 'radiating female' only works in meatspace. 1607480;1485450092;mircea_popescu;it also has nothing whatsoever to do. 1607481;1485450095;asciilifeform;it doesn't do anything through a terminal that 'eliza' could not do. 1607482;1485450139;thestringpuller;trinque: most of those women end up getting pregnant and get 6 months to play mommy while getting paid. 1607483;1485450200;mircea_popescu;unless you're looking to take over from them and do it in 5.5 months, what'd you expect happens. 1607484;1485450252;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607473 << i can see very clearly this angle, but it is only an angle that you can see ~after~ you set the Bozo Bit on somebody 1607485;1485450252;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 17:00 mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood. 1607486;1485450282;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1607487;1485450283;asciilifeform;and yes, d00d made it quite easy, by contributing 0 1607488;1485450289;mircea_popescu;in honestly that bit was twinkling for a while. 1607489;1485450291;asciilifeform;could-have-not-been-cow 1607490;1485450313;asciilifeform;'yer brain on dope', or who knows. 1607491;1485450339;mircea_popescu;it's a shitty thing to try and sell. at least whore sells her cunt, which is pleasant. scammer sells some knowledge. it's something, not much but present. 1607492;1485450355;mircea_popescu;this schmuck is literally going around trying to sell "i'm not going to hurt myself" to randos. 1607493;1485450378;mircea_popescu;utter shame on his parents. 1607494;1485450393;asciilifeform;it is not , at this point, even 'psychiatric' problem -- but ~veterinary~ 1607495;1485450405;asciilifeform;diseased beast walks around, shitting where it stands, braying 1607496;1485450412;asciilifeform;there is 1 cure. 1607497;1485450413;*;mircea_popescu does literally think very little of the two actual humans invovled in the production of this particular greasespot. i think there's little more shameful than having parented an adlai. 1607498;1485450446;mircea_popescu;and i do mean that, the weirdo serbian dudes keeping rape hotels during the war were relatively preferable. 1607499;1485451159;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607060 << Perhaps venture into the wilds and minister to heathens? 1607500;1485451159;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 13:49 adlai is not a teetotaler in most fields, despite the expulpated exhortations. 1607501;1485451440;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom. 1607502;1485451440;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:21 asciilifeform: all i ask is that said act not require a collective head nod. 1607503;1485451485;mircea_popescu;and there's no "by scratching your ass you thereby agree to..." bullshit either. 1607504;1485451544;mircea_popescu;there's a very marked difference between "to signify your agreement do x" and "anyone doing x is signifiying their agreement to blabla". this outrageous confusion between the sign and the significant itself is enough to make idiots of all the fiat statists. 1607505;1485451627;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607147 << i would say this qualifies. 1607506;1485451627;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:38 trinque: depends if you consider deedbot production use 1607507;1485451682;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607150 << sad but tru. 1607508;1485451682;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:40 Framedragger: ...and so it is that tmsr uses elliptic curve crypto in its production :) 1607509;1485451767;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607162 << im kinda curious if this day is actually in my lifespan. a LOT more curious than about any of the nonsense re i dunno, "cure for death". 1607510;1485451767;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:46 asciilifeform: Framedragger: understand, i would like to live to see the day when we use NOTHING at all that is not from the wot. 1607511;1485451790;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607164 << that part is not disputed. 1607512;1485451790;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:46 asciilifeform: but until then , need tools that let folx take MEANINGFUL responsibility, rather than volunteering at every turn to hang for things that they NEVER TOOK PART IN 1607513;1485451863;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607168 << which is how everything ended up being here, through this shifting stress process. but anyway -- ancient societies had a very simple solution to the exact problem, which was the status of the alien. 1607514;1485451863;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 14:51 asciilifeform: (and i will also note, mircea_popescu's method puts serious mechanical stress on a part of tmsr that is at present time not well-developed -- navigation of elaborate, deep, and TIME-VARIANT relationships between wot inhabitants) 1607515;1485451871;mircea_popescu;that's kinda where all this is going as far as i can see. 1607516;1485451920;mircea_popescu;the moment has not yet exactly come, but it isn't long in the future, where random noob's best bet isn't to join here and start yakking away, but instead join some lord's castle, prove himself there, gain an ally, and then, in due time, be introduced here by that lord. if need be and circumstances merit. 1607517;1485452042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik this already ~happens 1607518;1485452056;asciilifeform;(witness how we met , e.g., trinque ) 1607519;1485452371;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607501 << argument was not about 'i want promisetronics but without having to get assent' but 'want less promisetronics , period' 1607520;1485452371;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 17:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom. 1607521;1485452417;mircea_popescu;yes but 1607522;1485452483;asciilifeform;but yes, the fact that asciilifeform made genesis using the recipe he gave, from vintage bitcoind, rather than pulled from own arse, is not a mechanically provable fact without witnesses. 1607523;1485452833;asciilifeform;incidentally there is such a thing as a 'stone witness', if you will. e.g., i have tarballs from 1990s on cdrom. 1607524;1485452902;asciilifeform;if your vtree traces pedigree to one of THESE as genesis, i or anyone else possessing such a disk, can be satisfied that it is not a modern wholesale forgery 1607525;1485452915;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1607526;1485452921;asciilifeform;(note that no other property, other than 'pre-exists valuable-bitcoin', is thereby demonstratable) 1607527;1485452930;mircea_popescu;i suspect as the basis grows there's going to be a lot more such cross-verification. 1607528;1485452947;asciilifeform;this is sorta why i wanted to put out trb, frozen gcc, linux, etc. on a ~pressed aluminum~ cd 1607529;1485453001;mircea_popescu;we certainly must maintain pre 5 gccs 1607530;1485453011;mircea_popescu;there's apparently never going to be another c++ compiler. 1607531;1485453022;asciilifeform;there is also watcom 1607532;1485453025;asciilifeform;but yes. 1607533;1485453034;*;asciilifeform fond of watcom 1607534;1485453046;asciilifeform;it is in many ways cleaner than gcc. 1607535;1485453049;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1607536;1485453061;asciilifeform;a mainstay of msdos game industry of '90s. 1607537;1485453070;asciilifeform;had excellend debugger also. 1607538;1485453071;mircea_popescu;not entirely impossible that an i-gcc emerges eventually in the manner of i-b ; but i wouldn't hold breath 1607539;1485453092;asciilifeform;gcc has no future, but unfortunately there is not an alternative to gnat. 1607540;1485453096;asciilifeform;which relies on gcc backend. 1607541;1485453217;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1607542;1485453238;mircea_popescu;anyway, before there's what to bake on that cd, we gotta resolve the "tmsr package". 1607543;1485453350;asciilifeform;at this point we know, i suspect, all of it. 1607544;1485453362;mircea_popescu;try an enumeration as an exercise ? 1607545;1485453367;asciilifeform;but it is another matter to actually walk the logs, and do the heavy lifting. 1607546;1485453453;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 3.x linux kernel; gcc 4.9; musltronic toolchain; emacs 24; trb; v; gpg 1.4+rngpatch+timingleakpatch . 1607547;1485453456;asciilifeform;i miss any ? 1607548;1485453459;mircea_popescu;gnat ? 1607549;1485453463;mircea_popescu;or part of chain 1607550;1485453465;asciilifeform;it lives in gcc 1607551;1485453489;asciilifeform;i suppose i missed a cltron 1607552;1485453490;mircea_popescu;prolly should be explicit. emacs 24 with what pile of scripts macros etc ? 1607553;1485453491;asciilifeform;(sbcl ?) 1607554;1485453511;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: much of what emacs users use for scripts is custom, personal. 1607555;1485453511;mircea_popescu;also which 3.x is a worthy question 1607556;1485453525;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not sure that's such a healthy thing. 1607557;1485453534;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't negotiable. 1607558;1485453553;asciilifeform;i will sooner put on another d00d's eyeglasses than use a stock emacs. 1607559;1485453555;mircea_popescu;it'd be saner to have a common trunk which people change than to have to reinvent the wheel each trime a new person fires up a new emacs. 1607560;1485453567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the common trunk ~is emacs per se~ 1607561;1485453572;asciilifeform;which is largely a wad of elisp 1607562;1485453576;mircea_popescu;aite. 1607563;1485453589;asciilifeform;the question of 'which 3.x' is intimately tied to the hardware gnarl 1607564;1485453608;asciilifeform;fact is, 'frozen kernel' is ~guaranteed-unbootable on iron from 3-4 yrs from date of freeze. 1607565;1485453622;asciilifeform;regardless of how it is done. x86 is a corrosive evil. 1607566;1485453643;mircea_popescu;this is not exactly true, i'm booting 3.x on all sorts of late 1990s things 1607567;1485453657;asciilifeform;backwards-yes 1607568;1485453659;asciilifeform;forwards-no 1607569;1485453662;asciilifeform;think about it. 1607570;1485453673;mircea_popescu;this isn't so much a problem, as hardware also has no future. 1607571;1485453735;asciilifeform;in practice is is a problem. because ~everybody has ~own set of ancient iron. 1607572;1485453745;asciilifeform;if you add'em all up, you get a massive wad of shit. 1607573;1485453782;mircea_popescu;i'm satisfied that if one keeps the named hardware ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 convo) or their preferred equivalents that one will have no serious problems for the foreseable future. 1607574;1485453782;a111;Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made. 1607575;1485453806;mircea_popescu;ie, it'll never be the case that it makes sense to get newer. let alone that you'd want to. 1607576;1485453818;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was just the other day sweating, to source a multi-cpu+ecc opteron board with >1 16-lane pcie. 1607577;1485453824;asciilifeform;~none to be had for any price. 1607578;1485453828;mircea_popescu;computing is a ~dead discipline in this regard. 1607579;1485453828;asciilifeform;soon to be ==none. 1607580;1485453857;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform /me is building a new palace, bought out all the things!!11 1607581;1485453875;asciilifeform;a top-notch (i.e. 1000+ usd in early 2000s) mobo lasts about 10y. i determined, experimentally. 1607582;1485453885;asciilifeform;i will attempt capacitor replacement, after the new board is up 1607583;1485453891;asciilifeform;but nfi if there will be result. 1607584;1485453935;mircea_popescu;kinda iffy thing. i have boards still going that i bought in 2002. 1607585;1485453960;asciilifeform;going 24/7/365 at 100% cpu ? 1607586;1485453977;asciilifeform;i won't dispute that these exist. 1607587;1485453991;asciilifeform;but they are few. 1607588;1485454012;asciilifeform;there is also, somewhere in u.s. air force, a pdp-8 up continuously since 1978. 1607589;1485454017;asciilifeform;but it is not typical. 1607590;1485454103;asciilifeform;fact is, in the not too distant future, even the very powerful folx will have many fewer cpu cycles to play with than common lamer has today. to the extent this is any concern of mine, i would like to design in such a way that the applications that actually matter, e.g., wotronics, have the necessary cycles. 1607591;1485454141;asciilifeform;(and, secondarily, that said cycles execute on honest iron and not usg-crapple et al.) 1607592;1485454359;asciilifeform;it is part of why i have continued and daily interest in z80, 6502, and other 'museum pieces' 1607593;1485454461;asciilifeform;these are 'kalash', they can be brought up with some patch wire, in a pinch, not even needing pcb, and exist in ~limitless junkyard supply, as does their ram and glue logic; and can be manufactured with sov-era fab tech, in turn can be re-created for less than what a dozen garbage trucks cost. 1607594;1485454540;asciilifeform;(sram can even be replaced with magnetic core, which in turn can be made by gurls with sewing needles, if it must. the mig-29 flies on magnetic core. and will fly in 2050, probably also on it.) 1607595;1485454625;asciilifeform;in turn it is also why i have an interest in a hypothetical nonbignumtronic (i.e. lamportronic) 'trb-i'. 1607596;1485454630;asciilifeform;but this is for another thread. 1607597;1485454806;asciilifeform;to briefly return to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607573 , as i was painfully rubbed into it yesterday, in own iron: the hardware follows a 'passenger pigeon' dynamic: 'today, plenty' -- 'tomorrow, plenty' ... ... 'suddenly, none' 1607598;1485454806;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 18:03 mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that if one keeps the named hardware ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 convo) or their preferred equivalents that one will have no serious problems for the foreseable future. 1607599;1485454852;asciilifeform;i do not know if this pattern is typical of exhausted nonrenewable resources, or if there even exists sufficient historic record to analyze 1607600;1485454863;asciilifeform;but i ~can~ say confidently that symbolics lispms followed this curve. 1607601;1485454872;asciilifeform;plenty-plenty-plenty-suddenlynone. 1607602;1485454900;asciilifeform;(at one point amex co. flooded the market with surplus, and they were 'cheap enough to throw out', and then suddenly worth weight in gold) 1607603;1485455042;asciilifeform;it is simply one manifestation of the 'markets are not magical' thing. 1607604;1485455264;asciilifeform;who recalls when asciilifeform tried to source the once-UBIQUITOUS motorola 68k cpu ? 1607605;1485455303;asciilifeform;empty shelves. (unless you count freescape corp.'s ridiculous 50bux/chip clone.) 1607606;1485455306;asciilifeform;*freescale 1607607;1485455938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think it ever was 50% cpu no. but yes continuously. 1607608;1485455962;mircea_popescu;im not even sure what factor is worst for them. i think being powercycled worse than continuous use for one ; time probably worse than cpu utilization, unless poorly cooled. etc 1607609;1485455974;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ftr mine died from cycling. 1607610;1485455983;asciilifeform;powered down to clean air filters and never came back up. 1607611;1485455985;mircea_popescu;yeah it's not good for em 1607612;1485456009;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would you have to power it down to replace filters wtf. 1607613;1485456045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: strictly speaking did not have to. but also decided to clean fans. 1607614;1485456055;mircea_popescu;aha 1607615;1485456057;asciilifeform;and so -- this. 1607616;1485456071;mircea_popescu;i clean fans with pressured air. 1607617;1485456083;asciilifeform;everyone cleans fans with air hose 1607618;1485456085;asciilifeform;how else. 1607619;1485456090;mircea_popescu;so then why power it down 1607620;1485456102;asciilifeform;because cpu melts in 10sec if you pull off the fan ? 1607621;1485456111;mircea_popescu;apply flexible tube to fan 1607622;1485456121;asciilifeform;and because over-speed fan (as in , with air applied) burns the bearing in <5sec ? 1607623;1485456122;mircea_popescu;5bar, 5 seconds. done. 1607624;1485456130;asciilifeform;these are $100+ liquid bearing fans. 1607625;1485456136;mircea_popescu;ah 1607626;1485456145;mircea_popescu;i have traditional ones, doesn't bother them any. 1607627;1485456176;asciilifeform;in $otherlocation i have a box with removable, pluggable fans on rails , where you can pull it straight out and immediately drop in clean one 1607628;1485456183;asciilifeform;but that box is as loud as a shop vac. 1607629;1485456190;asciilifeform;i would not live with it in a house. 1607630;1485456212;asciilifeform;in a house one uses fans sitting on sorbothane grommets, etc. 1607631;1485456223;asciilifeform;down side is -- gotta power off ~yearly, to clean. 1607632;1485456296;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> (at one point amex co. flooded the market with surplus, and they were 'cheap enough to throw out', and then suddenly worth weight in gold) << it's entirely what the trader lives off. 1607633;1485456353;asciilifeform;aha. but in that case, no comp trader showed up, only metal recyclers. 1607634;1485456361;asciilifeform;the rembrandts were burned in a stove. etc. 1607635;1485456376;asciilifeform;hammer, microscope. 1607636;1485456661;mircea_popescu;and whose fault is that ? 1607637;1485456682;mircea_popescu;speak, ye of little resources, thinking self programmers and thinking men, who couldn't even save a few lisp machines. 1607638;1485456700;asciilifeform;well we saved a few. 1607639;1485456761;asciilifeform;which is more than can be said for, e.g., 'scheme79' machine. 1607640;1485456767;asciilifeform;or xerox dorado. 1607641;1485456799;asciilifeform;(i have not succeeded in locating a working example of xerox-interlisp lm, for sale at any price by anyone) 1607642;1485456804;asciilifeform;in 10+ yrs. 1607643;1485456814;asciilifeform;(since began to look) 1607644;1485456936;asciilifeform;now, these were manufactured in the hundreds, rather than the thousands, so not mega-surprise. 1607645;1485458224;ben_vulpes;buenos dias 1607646;1485458240;asciilifeform;hey ben_vulpes . 1607647;1485458298;ben_vulpes;top logs today 1607648;1485458361;ben_vulpes;a+ historical document linked from 'days of rage': http://nymag.com/news/features/46170/#print 1607649;1485458445;ben_vulpes;phf: may i have a copy of your log backups? 1607650;1485458737;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, apparently the us is preparing to noriega nieto 1607651;1485458741;mircea_popescu;(the current mexico president) 1607652;1485458780;ben_vulpes;drugwar charges? 1607653;1485458809;Framedragger;phf: if at it, may i have a copy of your logs too, please? :) 1607654;1485458814;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from same circus, u.s. senate is proposing to ban mr.t from revering obummer's 'ru sanctions and They Stole Election' decrees 1607655;1485458831;asciilifeform;(obummer's executive decrees -- a-ok; herr tritler's reversal thereof -- OHNOEZ) 1607656;1485458843;mircea_popescu;except senate can't really do much. 1607657;1485458853;asciilifeform;not only the dems, tho 1607658;1485458857;asciilifeform;mccain & co. joined. 1607659;1485458858;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter. 1607660;1485458882;asciilifeform;it's mr.t vs the ~whole machine. 1607661;1485458901;mircea_popescu;well we knew that didn't we. 1607662;1485458905;asciilifeform;(unsurprisingly) they are making a nixon-shaped box for him to sit down in. 1607663;1485458916;mircea_popescu;eh, they spent 20 years pumping up the executive order 1607664;1485458921;mircea_popescu;will be fun to watch. 1607665;1485458921;ben_vulpes;what is this "nixon-shaped box"? 1607666;1485458950;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: by some accounts, nixon was 'boxed in', for instance cut off from the nuke chain. 1607667;1485458962;mircea_popescu;i dunno how much i credit these accounts. 1607668;1485458970;ben_vulpes;and i do not see this "trump vs republicans" thing. he saved the party, the old cripples are on their way out and he'll be either vice president in 8 years or speaker of the house. 1607669;1485458976;asciilifeform;well... asciilifeform wasn't there, boxing nixon. 1607670;1485458990;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes depends on how good a job bannon does. 1607671;1485458992;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: who is more hated than involuntary savior. 1607672;1485459000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's hated by nobody on a stick. 1607673;1485459005;mircea_popescu;mccain, seriously ? nobody cares. 1607674;1485459027;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah does matter quite a bit how great the great again is 1607675;1485459034;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1607676;1485459050;ben_vulpes;full employment is very cheap compared to bank bailouts though. 1607677;1485459053;asciilifeform;the folx selling the $trillion imaginary airplane, boats, etc. -- care. 1607678;1485459057;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's not even that gop split up under trump shock. much worse than that : the non-trump faction took a hard look around, discovered it doesn't exist. 1607679;1485459067;mircea_popescu;the mccain adlaing in the senate is entirely without teeth. 1607680;1485459067;ben_vulpes;pretty much. 1607681;1485459090;ben_vulpes;"wake up babe army, the wall is not a racist thing. it's the largest works program since the new deal." 1607682;1485459102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but those folks are weaker than a website. 20 man firms ; and those "men" are too afraid to grab an ass in the elevator. 1607683;1485459116;ben_vulpes;"do kindly look to your history books and see how the last enormous welfare program worked out for its sponsors" 1607684;1485459145;mircea_popescu;worked great, what. roosevelt got like 500 terms. 1607685;1485459151;ben_vulpes;exactly! 1607686;1485459178;mircea_popescu;butr yes, it's always better to put the poor to work than to stroke the illusions of the rich. 1607687;1485459219;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's just say that the notion that the "blue chips" are worth anything just took a serious bath. 1607688;1485459222;ben_vulpes;blue collar whites want to set rebar and pour concrete while the minority groups they think themselves above mow their lawn. 1607689;1485459231;mircea_popescu;the companies worth money in the future are not these. 1607690;1485459245;mircea_popescu;no apple, no google. it's gonna be trump's consturction co, bannon's whatever sidescam he makes, that sort of thing. 1607691;1485459256;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes quite 1607692;1485459256;ben_vulpes;mmmmmhm. 1607693;1485459294;ben_vulpes;"but why don't we spend the wall money on fixing our infrastructure?" "were you even /listening/ during the campaign? it's not an exclusive thing, he's doing both." 1607694;1485459312;ben_vulpes;"where will the money come from?" "just borrow more, couldn't be easier." 1607695;1485459314;mircea_popescu;what infrastructure. 1607696;1485459322;mircea_popescu;unmless he's building trains he's wasting the moneyt. 1607697;1485459344;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as it is usa has problem even making pig iron 1607698;1485459351;ben_vulpes;it's a full-employment program, the money is definitionally wasted. 1607699;1485459354;asciilifeform;manhole covers are stamped 'india' where i live. 1607700;1485459381;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: come off it, there are myriad small casting shops here. 1607701;1485459385;mircea_popescu;as the narrative goes, they choose not to run 1607702;1485459386;mircea_popescu;we'll see. 1607703;1485459392;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: million small-everythings. 1607704;1485459394;ben_vulpes;where small can be anything from 20 to 500 staff. 1607705;1485459399;asciilifeform;making fighter jet parts for imaginary jet. 1607706;1485459410;asciilifeform;and drywall for mcmansions. 1607707;1485459424;ben_vulpes;no, casting bases for dental chairs. 1607708;1485459491;ben_vulpes;this repositing every single thing that happens as a direct result of the great inca in america is downright tiring. inca gives zero shits about this corner of its empire, leaves us to fend for ourselves. 1607709;1485459516;mircea_popescu;anyway. there's a bunch of moneys for the us to build nuclear reactors and oil pipeline process ; to lay train track ; some to do dumb shit like walls with mexico, hospitals, etcetera. exactly none to continue with the present "derechos" bullshit. 1607710;1485459547;ben_vulpes;imperial regional offices are: intel, precision cast parts, flir and the roboflugen boeing division up the valley. 1607711;1485459550;mircea_popescu;so politico being what he is, he'll do what he can. and the bureaucracy being what it is, ie a spending machine, will sit its ass on its own mouth and adapt. 1607712;1485459624;mircea_popescu;should be fun to watch the leftys get caught on wrong side of history / fingers in door, but whatevers. who cares about some dumb shits anyway. 1607713;1485459663;ben_vulpes;the performance-art-masquerading-as-commentary is growing shriller and less amusing by the day. 1607714;1485459682;ben_vulpes;from 3 chuckles in a 3-hour rotation of minorities down to barely 1 by accounts. 1607715;1485459697;mircea_popescu;myeah. no longer productive comedy mine 1607716;1485459721;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: e.g., galois ! is 'fend for selves' ?! 1607717;1485459732;ben_vulpes;oh yeah i forgot about them 1607718;1485459746;asciilifeform;megalolpolis 1607719;1485459789;trinque;are we doing the "no but really some places on the continent build things" thread again? 1607720;1485459824;asciilifeform;no dispute that this particular GDR still has trabant plants. 1607721;1485459824;ben_vulpes;but yes, look to the overpaid and highly visible imperial offices and not to the sheep farmers on lopez. 1607722;1485459850;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the sheep-herders allocate ~0 capital. 1607723;1485459882;ben_vulpes;dunno about 'make', but some places cast al, fe, weld racks to rigs. saw it, drank with the people involved, don't know what you want. 1607724;1485459907;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: capital wielders under inca are interesting? 1607725;1485459921;asciilifeform;depends -- to whom. 1607726;1485459931;asciilifeform;to mircea_popescu in his martian dome -- probably not. 1607727;1485459956;trinque;hell my truck came from a factory in san antonio 1607728;1485459971;asciilifeform;trinque: where did the plastic dashboard come from ? 1607729;1485459977;mircea_popescu;any way you turn it, it's not been long enough. us could get any item fabrication thing going tomorrow, and be good at it by 2020. the oinly thing keepign this from happening atm is the faint pretenses of kiddos who think they get to have a say in their future activity and the misguided notions of old people that somehow china eating that and the us being left to make money out of doing each other's laundry is a practicable a 1607730;1485459977;mircea_popescu;pproach. 1607731;1485459978;asciilifeform;betcha it is stamped 'china' 1607732;1485459978;ben_vulpes;"but teh parrrts!" 1607733;1485459992;mircea_popescu;the latter got beaten to shit ; and the former isn't worth the farts it's spoken with. 1607734;1485460019;asciilifeform;e.g., FUCKGOATS, is technically MAEDINUSA!!1!!1!!! 1607735;1485460023;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: nobody here is laboring under the illusion that any money is to be made. there are social media twits, and a small group of people trading fermented trash around. 1607736;1485460046;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes takes all of five minutes for money to be made. it's just a matter of how you structure things. 1607737;1485460075;mircea_popescu;trump can ban all imports into the country, tomorrow. and he can stick to it, permanently. 1607738;1485460095;mircea_popescu;watch how there'll suddenly be money to be made once the shock troopers are done scraping the last "university student" off the sidewalk. 1607739;1485460115;ben_vulpes;i'm not holding my breath for anyone associated with the government to fix shit. 1607740;1485460119;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where'll the missing 80% of petro come from 1607741;1485460126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shit it or do without. 1607742;1485460129;mircea_popescu;what "missing". 1607743;1485460136;asciilifeform;it'll be berlin, 1945. 1607744;1485460140;mircea_popescu;hardly. 1607745;1485460142;ben_vulpes;yeah what fucking missing, there's shittons. 1607746;1485460156;trinque;dude north america has *vast* oil reserves 1607747;1485460156;mircea_popescu;it would be leningrad, 1925. 1607748;1485460159;mircea_popescu;very different stories. 1607749;1485460164;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc usa supplies ~20% of own petro. 1607750;1485460164;trinque;what the fuck imaginary world is this 1607751;1485460182;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and if it WERE a problem, make iraq 51st state, shoot everyone who refuses to attend sunday mass. 1607752;1485460192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it does, but for the reason above. 1607753;1485460194;asciilifeform;trinque knows about reserves that the prospectors don't know about ? why he is not out drilling ? 1607754;1485460196;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: there are a zillion fracking taps the saudis 'tricked us' into putting in. 1607755;1485460198;asciilifeform;(or is he..?) 1607756;1485460209;mircea_popescu;random 20yo piucked off the street thinks it's his option as to whether he works oil rig or not. 1607757;1485460238;asciilifeform;it's skilled labour eh, not for gulag. 1607758;1485460244;mircea_popescu;oh it is. 1607759;1485460250;mircea_popescu;fine, so they get skilled or they die. 1607760;1485460263;mircea_popescu;once chitlin get to look into the face of their own irrelevance, things get going in a jiffy. 1607761;1485460266;ben_vulpes;put ten through get one out. almost as good for the body politic as war proper. 1607762;1485460279;asciilifeform;killing derps doesn't get the ruined expensive gear back. 1607763;1485460281;mircea_popescu;better ; you get the upper ones out this way. 1607764;1485460290;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform question was "make money". 1607765;1485460294;asciilifeform;gulag worx best with axe. 1607766;1485460296;trinque;asciilifeform: the prospectors ~know 1607767;1485460301;trinque;why do you think the EPA is being gutted as we speak? 1607768;1485460314;ben_vulpes;epa was doing fuck all in the first place. 1607769;1485460323;trinque;I don't like the insane asylum in dc any more than anyone else 1607770;1485460327;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: was repurposed under obummer to fund climatism 1607771;1485460330;ben_vulpes;stood by while the water table was ruind. 1607772;1485460330;mircea_popescu;not so ; providing jobs for the new york times staff bfs. 1607773;1485460336;trinque;this changes 0 in regards to what is beneath the soil 1607774;1485460355;trinque;ben_vulpes: for pennsylvanians and whatnot 1607775;1485460357;trinque;they're not even people 1607776;1485460374;ben_vulpes;gonna hear the same wail in re the fda as well, with the same response. "they fed us meth under doctors orders. kill them all." 1607777;1485460400;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "lich saved my life!!1" 1607778;1485460404;mircea_popescu;that's such an epic blasio pic 1607779;1485460405;asciilifeform;usa dun really have a purge apparatus. or experience thereof. 1607780;1485460416;asciilifeform;which is why bush, reagan, et al, kept the derps around. 1607781;1485460419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform get out of here. everyone has ; and nothing easier. 1607782;1485460419;asciilifeform;~unscathed. 1607783;1485460419;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: anecdata. 1607784;1485460427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. they did it because they were derps. 1607785;1485460441;ben_vulpes;trinque: yeah actually that's a good one to roast liberals with. 1607786;1485460470;ben_vulpes;"oh i see why you don't like the epa, they fucked up the white pennsylvanian red state people you hate so much. so it's cool that penn no longer has potable water, because they're vile trumpers, right?" 1607787;1485460481;ben_vulpes;er "why you don't like the epa gutting" 1607788;1485460486;trinque;I cannot see the error in that logic. 1607789;1485460495;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes totes. 1607790;1485460542;asciilifeform;as for 'iraq as 51st state', we saw result of this attempt in 2003-present, neh..? 1607791;1485460555;asciilifeform;or what, it oughta be tried with new, martian army? 1607792;1485460558;asciilifeform;in place of the old. 1607793;1485460568;mircea_popescu;was not attempt., 1607794;1485460589;mircea_popescu;what i said was, "make iraq 51st state, shoot everyone who refuses to attend sunday mass." 1607795;1485460596;mircea_popescu;and i mean it literally. either you're in the church or in the morgue. 1607796;1485460607;mircea_popescu;tear down every last mosq, and sink the bricks. 1607797;1485460635;mircea_popescu;then trump can write De Belo Iraco. 1607798;1485460648;asciilifeform;we can start as soon as mircea_popescu gets the landsknecht through the time machine booth 1607799;1485460721;mircea_popescu;i think you deeply misrepresent just how easy sanity is. 1607800;1485460774;asciilifeform;what happened to 'moribund byzantium', 'all pasture in the city walls' 1607801;1485460802;asciilifeform;it ain't, apparently, 'easy'. i know of 0 historical examples of 'civilization comeback' 1607802;1485460807;mircea_popescu;it won the popular vote and lost the electoral. 1607803;1485460836;mircea_popescu;this wouldn't be a civilisation comeback. on the contrary, it would be controlled civilisation demolishing. in preference of the inevitable alternative. 1607804;1485460900;mircea_popescu;sort-of like a self-applied russian solution. 1607805;1485460913;mircea_popescu;recall, the case of "comeback" that happened in your lifetime ? 1607806;1485460925;mircea_popescu;similarily, left state, purged the apparatus, came back out right ? 1607807;1485460963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not really clear to me , from here, that comeback is genuine. consider: where is 'elbrus'. 1607808;1485460976;mircea_popescu;i just said! 1607809;1485460981;asciilifeform;and why even the advertised elbrus sits on 100% taiwanese chipset. 1607810;1485461037;asciilifeform;( i was speaking of 'ru comeback ' ) 1607811;1485461100;asciilifeform;'american comeback' is a lulzy thing coming from folx who do not ~explicitly~ discuss the necessary crematoria 1607812;1485461110;mircea_popescu;but we did, above. 1607813;1485461114;asciilifeform;we -- did. 1607814;1485461117;asciilifeform;mr.t -- not afaik. 1607815;1485461126;mircea_popescu;myeah 1607816;1485461132;mircea_popescu;well... has time. 1607817;1485461190;ben_vulpes;i am very short any sort of comeback. 1607818;1485461208;ben_vulpes;comeback necessarily would have to entail sane monetary structure, which is even less likely than gutting the department of labor. 1607819;1485461235;mircea_popescu;likely/unlikely is a decent heuristic in slow times. 1607820;1485461241;mircea_popescu;in fast times, the unlikely is a good predictor. 1607821;1485461262;ben_vulpes;great again full employment + ubi == currency rot 1607822;1485461295;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you don't want a strong currency while industrializing. 1607823;1485461305;mircea_popescu;hence the early soviet ruble / 1970s renminbi etc 1607824;1485461312;mircea_popescu;japanese yen in the late 1800s 1607825;1485461329;mircea_popescu;strong currency is counterproductive before the folks even have what to save. 1607826;1485461495;ben_vulpes;this may be so, but getting the dollar back to 1000/btc is going to be harder with every rod of rebar. 1607827;1485461518;mircea_popescu;the dollar is never again going to be anywhere near 1k / btc. that's cut and dried. 1607828;1485461526;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-30#1442347 << there was another, deeper thread re 'tolerance to poverty', the thing chinese have, and usa does not -- but i cannot seem to find 1607829;1485461526;a111;Logged on 2016-03-30 22:56 mircea_popescu: russia exists out of the tolerance to poverty of its women and the rich subsoil. not much call for the latter in the much slower economy of the future. so rather than buying bonds... 1607830;1485461538;mircea_popescu;the us itself opted for it ; in preference of 4/8 years of increasingly tenous pretense to the contrary by some pantsuited clown. 1607831;1485461558;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform don't worry about it -- they had it two generations ago, and will get it again 1607832;1485461560;mircea_popescu;ask an okie. 1607833;1485461575;ben_vulpes;yeah kind of what i'm saying. the currency degradation is utterly irreversible, and that's the us' death sentence, no matter how great again the temporary may feel. 1607834;1485461592;mircea_popescu;the louder if useless city kids don't have it, but what they have or don't have is irrelevant - anyone with a social media profile is dead as of last week 1607835;1485461595;ben_vulpes;gimme that good debt, right to this clean vein. 1607836;1485461599;mircea_popescu;they don't know it yet, but they're as dead as polish jews. 1607837;1485461616;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's not clear. maybe it finds itself a nation at the bottom of it. 1607838;1485461633;mircea_popescu;evidently not everyone in there is good time sally-ing it throughout. 1607839;1485461660;ben_vulpes;ferment your trash, fix your neighbors toilets, pray you can get through the long walk in the desert with friends. 1607840;1485461922;trinque;http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/article104509111.html 1607841;1485461935;trinque;I really don't give a fuck if the outer husk becomes a nation 1607842;1485461947;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607831 << well yes, it is a given that 'if everybody dies, the cockroaches/mongols/etc. will build own city, from 0' 1607843;1485461947;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 20:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't worry about it -- they had it two generations ago, and will get it again 1607844;1485461951;trinque;but there's a kernel in there 1607845;1485462004;ben_vulpes;trinque: hash oil bank when 1607846;1485462010;asciilifeform;but usa, like any mega-empire, had a motivatory idiology for the rubes, and said ideology is sinking, because the necessary chumpatronic rewards are increasingly unavailable. 1607847;1485462015;asciilifeform;*ideology 1607848;1485462025;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude, the idiot kids over at github aren't either civilisation or america 1607849;1485462029;mircea_popescu;they're nobody on a stick. 1607850;1485462054;mircea_popescu;the ideology is still there, just as recoverable today as it was in lincoln's day. 1607851;1485462080;ben_vulpes;trinque: that project could kick off quite the conflict if it threatens the value of paper gold significantly. 1607852;1485462104;trinque;ayep 1607853;1485462127;ben_vulpes;then the gamble becomes "can tejas out-shoost the feds" 1607854;1485462154;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the mega-q imho is 'how many days can texaslandia survive without chinese plastic shipments restocking lolmarts' 1607855;1485462158;trinque;I don't think most of the continent wants to shoost tejas 1607856;1485462181;ben_vulpes;trinque: recall "the most important part is being wrong together" from the manning piece? 1607857;1485462187;mircea_popescu;moreover california losing about 10mn pop would be great for the planet 1607858;1485462253;ben_vulpes;the oathkeepers are a notorious joke, and nobody's going to stand up to a commanding officer to defend the good people of texas, no matter how little the ordered disliked texans the day before. 1607859;1485462269;trinque;same for anyone whose family moved to new england in the last 50 years 1607860;1485462321;trinque;ben_vulpes: not how it would work at all 1607861;1485462354;trinque;texas would wrap adjoining states in monetary tentacles over time 1607862;1485462359;mircea_popescu;trinque should be interesting, esp seeing how the canabis state laws thing made it quite precedented. 1607863;1485462407;trinque;liberal potheads save the day again 1607864;1485462407;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i think you deeply misrepresent the rural folk. 1607865;1485462421;mircea_popescu;i guarantee you eg mod6 would stand with me / bring rifle from home. he's not alone i nthe us. you are. 1607866;1485462434;asciilifeform;the 'we are autarkik paradise in the making, as soon as we eject the parasitic rest-of-continent' is only slightly less laughable re tx than re ca. 1607867;1485462437;trinque;~my girlfriend~ would hand me clips 1607868;1485462452;asciilifeform;there is a not an autarkik wonderland sitting inside usa. 1607869;1485462469;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all nation building starts with killing the croat males and taking the females to the breeding pits. 1607870;1485462470;asciilifeform;there ~are~, just as in every other part of the world, folx who can live on tree bark and make musket from old truck axle, etc. 1607871;1485462470;trinque;I know right? it'd wreck vital structures in one's self-representation 1607872;1485462475;asciilifeform;they are not a 'state in a state' 1607873;1485462477;mircea_popescu;this is what a nation is. laugh if you will, but it won't do anything. 1607874;1485462542;mircea_popescu;and the alternative here, ie, "federation", as in weimar republic exacrtly is strictly non workable because endothermic. and there's no heat to be had. not no mo. 1607875;1485462545;trinque;maybe that passed too quietly; the whole middle of the country can shoot, including the women 1607876;1485462549;mircea_popescu;so... nation building seems likely altogether. 1607877;1485462559;mircea_popescu;trinque more importantly : would. gladly. 1607878;1485462575;asciilifeform;trinque: ~everybody in usa is a passable shot. so far dun seem to have prevented washington, lincoln, fdr, et al. 1607879;1485462585;mircea_popescu;lincold got shot. 1607880;1485462589;asciilifeform;not in time. 1607881;1485462596;mircea_popescu;well this can always be said eh. 1607882;1485462606;mircea_popescu;if they shoot clinton now it'd not be in time either. in time for what. 1607883;1485462620;trinque;asciilifeform: I would say my view of former USSR is as cartoonish as your present view of certain parts of north america you apparently haven't spent time in 1607884;1485462620;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: misrepresent rural folks working in us mil? 1607885;1485462636;mircea_popescu;in general. 1607886;1485462641;asciilifeform;e.g., bush, created dhs/gestapo unmolested, shots fired against same: 0 (afaik) 1607887;1485462649;mircea_popescu;there isn't going to be a "us mil" if things fall apart. there wasn't a soviet one either. 1607888;1485462671;trinque;thinking otherwise is *their* "they would never" propaganda 1607889;1485462676;ben_vulpes;you're conflating "things fall apart" with "texas threatens goldman sachs' control of paper gold price" 1607890;1485462687;trinque;goldman just moves here 1607891;1485462687;mircea_popescu;i do. because it's the same thing. 1607892;1485462691;trinque;see: exxon mobil 1607893;1485462701;mircea_popescu;if the negotiations can't proceed, the thing fell apart. 1607894;1485462713;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: in re china embargo, that'd be a tidy provocation for cn to demonstrate how easily the us fleet is shredded. 1607895;1485462714;mircea_popescu;if they can proceed, see trinque above. 1607896;1485462719;asciilifeform;trinque: granted, i have not yet been to all parts of usa. 1607897;1485462724;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes china isn't going to fight embargo. 1607898;1485462760;ben_vulpes;long shot, sure. 1607899;1485462767;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wasn't re embargo, but re ease of subjugating ~any part of usa simply by cutting off shipments of imported cheapolade to it. 1607900;1485462797;trinque;the parts that ship their groceries in, sure. 1607901;1485462815;asciilifeform;where groceries are grown -- imported agri-machine parts, petrol. 1607902;1485462818;mircea_popescu;not at all. look at the incentive structure. for one thing, they knew the ride isn't going forever so it's planned. for the other, a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607386 is long overdue by now 1607903;1485462818;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 16:34 mircea_popescu: if we're the target rather than other place it's time to slim down the org. 1607904;1485462826;trinque;asciilifeform: heh I've got plenty of that too! 1607905;1485462829;mircea_popescu;they'll just use the opportunity to shoot some of their own idiots and clamp down. 1607906;1485462857;asciilifeform;trinque: folks who 'i've got plenty' end up raided by neighbours; spend time manning machine gun instead of plowing 1607907;1485462860;asciilifeform;result: 1945 1607908;1485462877;trinque;some people made out great in '45. it all depends 1607909;1485462880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform absolutely not. it's immensely morep roductive to produce than to raid. 1607910;1485462893;asciilifeform;ftr it is monumentally bad idea to advertise one's 'i've got plenty' (we had an old thread re subj) 1607911;1485462900;ben_vulpes;here's the spectre of atomized americans again. 1607912;1485462910;trinque;I was referring to the state 1607913;1485462920;trinque;whole port of houston is outfitted to refine and ship 1607914;1485462925;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha. say 'i have a buried container of XYZ' and folx write down your coords. 1607915;1485462936;trinque;that's not going away if I start speaking spanish in 30yrs 1607916;1485462961;ben_vulpes;so don't. fix their cars instead. 1607917;1485462988;asciilifeform;trinque: ask the syrians, or iraqis, how profitable is refinery when there is measurable chance of it eating a thermite grenade on particular day 1607918;1485462999;asciilifeform;civilization is fragile. 1607919;1485462999;mircea_popescu;this is entirely not how it works. 1607920;1485463016;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'fix their cars' is more viable. 1607921;1485463017;mircea_popescu;"civilization is fragile" is the excuse of the lazy. 1607922;1485463020;ben_vulpes;don't bury a container of xyz much less tell anyone about it. be indispensable to the people who feed you. 1607923;1485463033;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: undisputable algo. 1607924;1485463058;ben_vulpes;"yeah who knows he probably has a container of servers on his land somewhere, but he also keeps the entire region connected to the bitcoin net so anyone who fucks with him fucks with the whole valley" 1607925;1485463062;trinque;comparing houston to anywhere in iraq is insane 1607926;1485463083;asciilifeform;trinque: as soon as plug is pulled, all of usa is iraq. 1607927;1485463084;trinque;moreover anyone who would want to take houston and destroyed it is an ~idiot~ 1607928;1485463097;asciilifeform;is there a shortage of idiots where trinque lives today ? 1607929;1485463102;trinque;man you'd have no idea 1607930;1485463111;mircea_popescu;civilisation = "idiot in power" IS fragile. 1607931;1485463114;mircea_popescu;that part won't last. 1607932;1485463131;mircea_popescu;nor has it anything to do with civilisation in any sense. 1607933;1485463146;mircea_popescu;civilisation isn't when the blind can drive and the deaf can hear. 1607934;1485463183;asciilifeform;expensive, breakable machinery in a geographic concentration, that is orders of magnitude easier to destroy than to rebuild -- is still a thing. 1607935;1485463193;asciilifeform;whether you are under stalin, or fdr, or mao, whoever. 1607936;1485463233;mircea_popescu;sure, but this is a minor facet of a complex gem. 1607937;1485463241;asciilifeform;it roughly == 'civilization'. 1607938;1485463249;mircea_popescu;cunt, inviting and self-lubricating, concentrated in cramped boring spaces is easier to fuck than anything 1607939;1485463255;mircea_popescu;so how much office fucking is going on ? 1607940;1485463255;asciilifeform;whereas you could not burn ulan batur in 1700s, what, they just gotta make new yurts. 1607941;1485463277;mircea_popescu;people aren't actually your model of people. 1607942;1485463287;asciilifeform;i should hope not. 1607943;1485463292;mircea_popescu;the burning of ub is significant culturally. they won't rebuild it because TO THEM those aren't just some shitty yurts. 1607944;1485463317;mircea_popescu;which is how kiev rus ended 1607945;1485463326;mircea_popescu;"big whoop, could have reconstructed in half a summer" 1607946;1485463329;mircea_popescu;"yes. but didn't." 1607947;1485463455;asciilifeform;it ended?! i missed the memo... 1607948;1485463463;asciilifeform;moved. 1607949;1485463467;mircea_popescu;well yeah, muscovy right exactly. 1607950;1485463468;trinque;I spent 5 years in total in Portland, in two tours. 1607951;1485463489;trinque;there's a reason I moved home, and why Portland ~never~ became home. 1607952;1485463505;trinque;the government will go; there will be people here still that are people 1607953;1485463512;trinque;there will however be a lot of californians to deport 1607954;1485463530;asciilifeform;trinque: i have not been there. i associate it mentally with galois corp., the outfit to which usg.nsa subcontracts a good chunk of critical dev work 1607955;1485463545;asciilifeform;just like , e.g., seattle, is microshit 1607956;1485463555;mircea_popescu;that's kinda silly. 1607957;1485463557;asciilifeform;and sf is google, cupertino - crapple. 1607958;1485463569;mircea_popescu;seattle is microsoft, but texas is roughly speaking all of new england 1607959;1485463589;asciilifeform;new england is where they keep academitards; and lockheed. 1607960;1485463589;mircea_popescu;sf is also much larger than. 1607961;1485463674;asciilifeform;what's in sf other than sv/pg bubbletrons? 1607962;1485463696;mircea_popescu;actually more academitards than in boston 1607963;1485463708;asciilifeform;(and their associated support machinery -- whores, drivers, et al) 1607964;1485463854;ben_vulpes;galois corp doesn't have enough butts on staff to have a good chunk of anything outsourced to it 1607965;1485470395;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: megabux are not allotted by 'buttcount', you know this. 1607966;1485470491;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2017-January/000094.html 1607967;1485470541;asciilifeform;'There is a carry propagating bug in the x86_64 Montgomery squaring procedure. No EC algorithms are affected. Analysis suggests that attacks against RSA and DSA as a result of this defect would be very difficult to perform and are not believed likely. Attacks against DH are considered just feasible (although very difficult) because... 1607968;1485470546;asciilifeform;' 1607969;1485470552;asciilifeform;hilarious. 1607970;1485470599;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes plox to enlighten me, a poor sinner, why did crapple break the HOME and END keys ? what did they ever do to'em ? 1607971;1485470599;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1607972;1485470656;asciilifeform;' The amount of resources required for such an attack would be very significant and likely only accessible to a limited number of attackers.' << lel 1607973;1485470671;asciilifeform;as if anyone gave half a shit about any attacker but the One. 1607974;1485470723;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, other crappletronicists : also lulzy is that dialog boxes in recent crapple os are no longer TAB-navigable 1607975;1485470752;asciilifeform;did somebody cancel the clinton-era invalid 'accessibility' law while i slept in my cave..? 1607976;1485470778;asciilifeform;what if i were Officially Sad and typed with my arse, and have no mouse. what then. 1607977;1485471127;asciilifeform;in related lulz, https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/26/community-health-initiative-grant/ 1607978;1485471150;asciilifeform;'Today, the Wikimedia Foundation announced the launch of a community health initiative to address harassment and toxic behavior on Wikipedia, with initial funding of US$500,000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund. The two seed grants, each US$250,000, will support the development of tools for volunteer editors and staff to reduce harassment on Wikipedia and block 1607979;1485471156;asciilifeform;harassers.' 1607980;1485471211;asciilifeform;'Let us hope this gives the WF the resorces it needs to complete the Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces which is not yet ready for the Community to vote on after having been suggested at Wikimania 2015' 1607981;1485471623;BingoBoingo;Awe, I thought by "community health" they were going to unveil WikiBamaCare! 1607982;1485472097;asciilifeform;entirely unrelatedly to recent threads: anybody here ever experiment with 'toslink' ? 1607983;1485472174;asciilifeform;it is an ancient (iirc 1980) and cheapo (plentiful, pre-crimped fibers in various lengths , for pennies) cable standard, at one point was used for high-end speakers 1607984;1485472189;asciilifeform;imho could easily live a new life as non-radiating ('tempest') connector between crypto gear. 1607985;1485472205;asciilifeform;0 electrical conduction. 1607986;1485472230;asciilifeform;and the transceivers are still made by toshiba and quite well-built (conductive plastic shield, for instance.) 1607987;1485472236;asciilifeform;a few $ each. 1607988;1485472293;asciilifeform;now in some cheap gear there IS light leakage at the connector. but nothing black varnish wouldn't solve. 1607989;1485472488;asciilifeform;it is MOST peculiar that -- afaik -- NOWHERE can you buy a rs232-to-toslink converter. 1607990;1485472525;asciilifeform;(rs232 to costly glass fiber IS available, for many hundreds of usd AT EACH PLUG END) 1607991;1485472550;asciilifeform;usg proclaimed, Thou Shalt Radiate For Us 1607992;1485472558;asciilifeform;who refused -- i presume -- Had Problems. 1607993;1485472578;asciilifeform;there is 0 reason why the cable to your lcd is not a fiber. 1607994;1485472581;asciilifeform;other than this. 1607995;1485472604;asciilifeform;(copper wire is ~orders of magnitude~ costlier than even the finest glass fiber.) 1607996;1485473007;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607967 << bullshit. of course they are. 1607997;1485473007;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 22:42 asciilifeform: 'There is a carry propagating bug in the x86_64 Montgomery squaring procedure. No EC algorithms are affected. Analysis suggests that attacks against RSA and DSA as a result of this defect would be very difficult to perform and are not believed likely. Attacks against DH are considered just feasible (although very difficult) because... 1607998;1485473025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they aint even tryin' any moar 1607999;1485473031;asciilifeform;(to be believeable.) 1608000;1485473048;mircea_popescu;myeah 1608001;1485473151;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607982 << aye. great connectors. 1608002;1485473151;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 23:08 asciilifeform: entirely unrelatedly to recent threads: anybody here ever experiment with 'toslink' ? 1608003;1485473206;asciilifeform;i will add, it is more interesting than it seems, because optical interconnect would make shielding, e.g., keyboards, ~meaningful~ 1608004;1485473211;asciilifeform;instead of wankage. 1608005;1485473238;asciilifeform;i actually painted my 'model f' with conductive paint, 5 coats. it still radiates, from the cable. 1608006;1485473251;asciilifeform;because nobody cancelled green's theorem. 1608007;1485473256;mircea_popescu;aha. cable generally most antenna-y part anyway 1608008;1485473364;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607992 << i guess we'll be finding out in short order. converter easy to make. 1608009;1485473364;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 23:15 asciilifeform: who refused -- i presume -- Had Problems. 1608010;1485473405;asciilifeform;https://opencores.org/project,uart_fiber << published schematics. 1608011;1485476708;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/first-days-of-trump-administration-feature-bold-leap-into-action/ << Qntra - First Days Of Trump Administration Feature Bold Leap Into Action 1608012;1485478374;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607965 << actually they are, pretty much. usg public contracting is very transparently an exercise in subsidizing the population ; odds of you getting a contract are entirely a function of some senator "creating jobs". 1608013;1485478374;a111;Logged on 2017-01-26 22:39 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: megabux are not allotted by 'buttcount', you know this. 1608014;1485478378;mircea_popescu;that's the baseline. 1608015;1485478445;mircea_popescu;there's bonus points for the "right kind" of jobs - for instance hiring black people detracts from the fundamental racism of the entire scheme (really, why should schmuck be deemed entitled to "fair wage" because his mother dropped him on his head in new jersey rather than golania ?) and so it's + points etcetera. 1608016;1485480249;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/077A20A5523E2ADC680337DFCE7F66794A3F561B115D6AD464859C54AE92FF0B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...6089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.43.184.74 (ssh-rsa key from 195.43.184.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (74.184.43.195.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it. IT) 1608017;1485480249;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/077A20A5523E2ADC680337DFCE7F66794A3F561B115D6AD464859C54AE92FF0B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1378...5053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.43.184.74 (ssh-rsa key from 195.43.184.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (74.184.43.195.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it. IT) 1608018;1485482560;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0925662600EC3B6B87495B322B8CDFFD2AF576506127441EF21596CA422FFD4C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1627...0547 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.138.104.66 (ssh-rsa key from 94.138.104.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail2.cpsul.cz. CZ 427 US) 1608019;1485482560;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0925662600EC3B6B87495B322B8CDFFD2AF576506127441EF21596CA422FFD4C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1612...5023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.138.104.66 (ssh-rsa key from 94.138.104.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail2.cpsul.cz. CZ 427 US) 1608020;1485484237;asciilifeform;in very other lulz, https://media.guim.co.uk/4a2b95b94d8e10acc053c5a61f2f0c317ca6bd91/0_266_4096_2462/4096.jpg 1608021;1485488224;mircea_popescu;eh ffs. 1608022;1485488512;mircea_popescu;!!up snowbound33 1608023;1485488513;deedbot;snowbound33 voiced for 30 minutes. 1608024;1485488528;snowbound33;what is this place? 1608025;1485488541;mircea_popescu;this is the forum of the most serene republic. and who might you be ? 1608026;1485488609;snowbound33;I was invited here recently by someone online. I'm here under an anon account trying to figure out what it is, and if I will regret joining under my real freenode account 1608027;1485488639;mircea_popescu;hm. 1608028;1485488675;mircea_popescu;oh wait, are you the simon whatever of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606755 ? 1608029;1485488675;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 23:42 ben_vulpes: in other gabriel_laddel comments that have babe army swooning: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/ 1608030;1485488695;snowbound33;depends what /whois says about this account 1608031;1485488721;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1608032;1485488729;snowbound33;yeah it me. I'm not aware of whatever discussion that is 1608033;1485488743;mircea_popescu;ah so people here liked your article, basically. 1608034;1485488743;snowbound33;I didn't write days of rage you know 1608035;1485488753;mircea_popescu;there's a log, you can search through it with 1608036;1485488763;mircea_popescu;!#s itemz 1608037;1485488764;a111;1 result for "itemz", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=itemz 1608038;1485488770;mircea_popescu;there's also a web interface. 1608039;1485488824;snowbound33;well thanks. Will read 1608040;1485488842;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a whole pile of stuff. but no, i didn't think you wrote the book you reviewed. 1608041;1485488893;snowbound33;no, sorry, I didn't write that article about the book. That was a guest post 1608042;1485488901;mircea_popescu;ah, really ? 1608043;1485488935;mircea_popescu;totally missed that part. 1608044;1485489012;snowbound33;it was adapted from a tweetstorm a few days earlier by https://twitter.com/hradzka/ 1608045;1485489028;mircea_popescu;i c 1608046;1485489430;snowbound33;I'll come back here at some point in the near future. I'm holding off for now, I want to set up a bouncer first if I'm going to be active in irc again 1608047;1485489442;mircea_popescu;also look into the pgp reg thng 1608048;1485489452;mircea_popescu;thing* 1608049;1485492492;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6ECC4347EFFB69FFA5AC4BA2A9C6B4E23BEA12FE444B564A46BA046018340A6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1358...9579 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.12 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (wayne.noopsis.fr. FR) 1608050;1485492492;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6ECC4347EFFB69FFA5AC4BA2A9C6B4E23BEA12FE444B564A46BA046018340A6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1598...2297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.12 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (wayne.noopsis.fr. FR) 1608051;1485497263;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A035B8E99A0B459D9BA18C193DF9230FAB2AF0C7B6434DAEC4FBF38934D19B0F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1714...9743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.253.235.75 (ssh-rsa key from 77.253.235.75 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (77-253-235-75.static.ip.netia.com.pl. PL MA) 1608052;1485497264;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A035B8E99A0B459D9BA18C193DF9230FAB2AF0C7B6434DAEC4FBF38934D19B0F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...7289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.253.235.75 (ssh-rsa key from 77.253.235.75 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (77-253-235-75.static.ip.netia.com.pl. PL MA) 1608053;1485511049;davout;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html <<< this still correct? 1608054;1485511074;davout;lol, disregard 1608055;1485511197;davout;well actually, the three revisions seem to reference the same vdiff.sh, which apparently works, but gives me some error messages 1608056;1485512903;davout;so with the eventual goal of cleanly amputating the wallet off of TRB I'm kind of wondering what the best approach is here, 1608057;1485512939;davout;either remove the wallet and everything that depends on it in one go (pretty much everything that uses keys stored by the client) 1608058;1485512964;davout;or remove the dependencies one by one until removing the wallet is merely a "rm wallet.cpp" away 1608059;1485512998;davout;i've started by simply removing the signmessage and verifymessage functionality 1608060;1485513033;davout;mostly as an exercise in vtronics 1608061;1485513089;davout;getting a feel for the whole patch authoring process without touching anything very sensitive 1608062;1485513235;davout;my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true 1608063;1485513612;davout;i suspect something's broken in my vdifftronics 1608064;1485518316;mircea_popescu;davout even if the whole bundle is released in one go, it is probably best practice to do the snips one at a time in that many patches. 1608065;1485518428;davout;probably easier to merge multiple patches into one than unmerge a hairball 1608066;1485518552;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1608067;1485518580;mircea_popescu;let the job of merging be done later, that's the idea. eventually as the chains get long and review has progressed significantly, people can rebase multiple patches into one. 1608068;1485518594;mircea_popescu;this activity would be the v-equivalent of "stable release" 1608069;1485519339;mircea_popescu;and in other news, some dude apparently goes and pours aluminum into fire anthills, sells the resulting casts. 1608070;1485519892;davout;the result looks pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGJ2jMZ-gaI 1608071;1485520312;mircea_popescu;kinda repetitive but yeah. 1608072;1485520342;davout;probably catches lots of dust too 1608073;1485520389;mircea_popescu;lol what a thoughtful household head you are. 1608074;1485520580;davout;kinda bijective with "let's put a wallet in bitcoind", catches dust too 1608075;1485520701;mircea_popescu;tru 1608076;1485520722;davout;meanwhile, in france, police stations getting attacked http://www.leparisien.fr/saint-germain-en-laye-78100/saint-germain-en-laye-une-bande-cagoulee-attaque-le-poste-de-la-police-municipale-27-01-2017-6626244.php 1608077;1485520852;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, at some point someone thought "hey, i know, we'll wear shit on our heads and go break people's doors". the obvious "then people will wear shit on their heads break your door" however got handwaved, because there's nothing specialer than a special snowflake. 1608078;1485520869;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is a police station for, other than l'attaque d'une bande cagoulee ? 1608079;1485521991;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/frank-ants-and-mrs-stein/ << Trilema - Frank, ants and Mrs Stein. 1608080;1485525086;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608079 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-17#511591 << https://archive.is/PtzJd 1608081;1485525086;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 12:59 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/frank-ants-and-mrs-stein/ << Trilema - Frank, ants and Mrs Stein. 1608082;1485525086;a111;Logged on 2014-02-17 19:02 asciilifeform: 'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc 1608083;1485525135;asciilifeform;and betcha chinese classics are rich in anthill literature. 1608084;1485525623;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED71EDF77E2516FF0FB0D23F807DD39572A584CCF8A083A376319B183334B400 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1764...1943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.1.97.54 (ssh-rsa key from 193.1.97.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pyrrha.csisdmz.ul.ie. IE M LK) 1608085;1485525623;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED71EDF77E2516FF0FB0D23F807DD39572A584CCF8A083A376319B183334B400 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...9963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.1.97.54 (ssh-rsa key from 193.1.97.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (pyrrha.csisdmz.ul.ie. IE M LK) 1608086;1485525755;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608058 << hard part is not removing, but building new one as standalone proggy 1608087;1485525755;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 10:29 davout: or remove the dependencies one by one until removing the wallet is merely a "rm wallet.cpp" away 1608088;1485525809;asciilifeform;we had detailed thread re subj not so long ago 1608089;1485525843;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608062 << that looks like an ordinary unix diff 1608090;1485525843;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 10:33 davout: my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true 1608091;1485525978;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608078 << i take it that fr police are not equipped with heavy machinegun like in usa ? 1608092;1485525978;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 12:41 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a police station for, other than l'attaque d'une bande cagoulee ? 1608093;1485526005;asciilifeform;or just snoring on the job? 1608094;1485526007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i see you appreciate teh frank 1608095;1485526019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite so 1608096;1485526052;mircea_popescu;when i die i'll be shown the list of everyone's favourite trilemas and spend the rest of the afterlife in shock. 1608097;1485528383;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/powder-blue/ << Trilema - Powder Blue 1608098;1485529946;mircea_popescu;and in shocking today, trump has ~madonna~ apologizing and complaining about "being taken out of context". fucking madonna. 1608099;1485529968;mircea_popescu;this counts above fucking the woman, in my book. 1608100;1485530212;mircea_popescu;so BingoBoingo here's a stray thought : 1608101;1485530233;mircea_popescu;i read through the english speaking press wrt trump's first week. qntra is by far the better source. 1608102;1485530905;mircea_popescu;the shedding of 500k federal jobs in dc is underway, by the way. people are making financial arrangements, such as getting out of mortgages. 1608103;1485531852;mod6;<+davout> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html <<< this still correct? << yup. 1608104;1485531947;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: similar thing happened under clinton, 'brac' 1608105;1485531969;asciilifeform;result was, typically, mass migration into 'contract' sector. 1608106;1485531989;asciilifeform;(rather than , as one could naively suppose ) starvation, or 'honest work' 1608107;1485532144;mircea_popescu;economy was pretty strong under clinton by comparison. 1608108;1485532199;asciilifeform;aha, left what to blow idiot 'dotcom' bubble with. 1608109;1485532220;asciilifeform;and what to iraq with. 1608110;1485532226;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "The most notable public opposition came from Senate Armed Service Committee Chairman John McCain, who promised to block any such move. Senator McCain’s objections were primarily procedural and not substantive (i.e., he was upset he learned about the recommendation almost second-hand at the hearing, instead of by official channels)." 1608111;1485532292;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this re the nsa/cybercom split..? 1608112;1485532302;mircea_popescu;ya 1608113;1485532310;asciilifeform;they are , as i understand it, going for the classical kgb/gru split. 1608114;1485532325;asciilifeform;in hope of getting at least 1 functional piece. 1608115;1485532325;mircea_popescu;more or less. 1608116;1485532338;mircea_popescu;except of course they already got like 4 kgbs 1608117;1485532343;asciilifeform;11. 1608118;1485532343;mircea_popescu;none of which work in any practical sense. 1608119;1485532382;asciilifeform;16! apparently, by latest count. 1608120;1485532386;asciilifeform;i shit thee not. 1608121;1485532411;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608062 << that looks like an ordinary unix diff << yup. and if you got an error when running vdiff, some of us have run into this on various linux boxes. iirc the solution was to install a newer version of gnu-awk. 1608122;1485532411;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 10:33 davout: my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true 1608123;1485532419;mircea_popescu;however many. the woman's barren owing to advanced age and abundant curetages in youth, there's nothing coming out her rotten eggs regardless. 1608124;1485532427;asciilifeform;and this counts only ~official~ agencies (rather than, e.g., 'palantir') 1608125;1485532511;*;asciilifeform sings, 'незримого фронта солдаты...' 1608126;1485537677;BingoBoingo; i read through the english speaking press wrt trump's first week. qntra is by far the better source. << ty 1608127;1485537842;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: similar thing happened under clinton, 'brac' << BRAC took "Jobs in congressional districts" pissed off congress. 1608128;1485538030;asciilifeform;http://www.vlf.it/smith1/opticalink.html << rare instance of useful, sane work published on www. 1608129;1485538291;asciilifeform;also apparently you can (sorta) get these off the shelf, e.g., https://www.controlanything.com/Relay/Device/USBFOI 1608130;1485539105;asciilifeform;in quite other lulz, http://archive.is/v8l8N >> 'The @AltNatParkSer account was quickly followed by dozens more. There are now at least 50 "unofficial" or "alternative" accounts purporting to represent the views of government staffers or agencies. 1608131;1485539112;asciilifeform;Many of the accounts use the official logos of the departments they claim to represent, like the Environmental Protection Agency, NASA, or various regional park services.' 1608132;1485539120;asciilifeform;bureaucrat 'resistance'. 1608133;1485539214;trinque;so much firing 1608134;1485539217;trinque;he's going to have a blast 1608135;1485539962;asciilifeform;archive.today under ddos? 1608136;1485540220;asciilifeform;slooooow 1608137;1485540247;asciilifeform;but in latest lulz, http://archive.is/8G35m >> 'O’Grady was mistakenly identified this week as a Secret Service agent (also named Kerry O’Grady) who is under investigation for posting a statement on Facebook that appeared to indicate she preferred jail over being shot and killed for President Trump.' 1608138;1485540259;asciilifeform;'Reached by phone Wednesday, O’Grady, 33, said she has struggled to plug the stream of hateful messages that have inundated her Twitter feed and Facebook page since Tuesday morning, leaving her “defeated and dejected.”' 1608139;1485540273;asciilifeform;the sheer multilayer butthurt.. 1608140;1485540682;asciilifeform;and in a lulzy continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606755 >> in the fishwrap: http://archive.is/wnygX 1608141;1485540682;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 23:42 ben_vulpes: in other gabriel_laddel comments that have babe army swooning: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/ 1608142;1485541731;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu is there a translation of http://trilema.com/2011/oul-morganatic/ ? 1608143;1485541731;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1608144;1485542762;davout;mod6: ty, will try the gnu-awk thing 1608145;1485542814;davout;asciilifeform: to me trb just has to provide "return txouts spendable by arbitrary set of addresses", "add this transaction to mempool" 1608146;1485542827;davout;rest can go in external proggy 1608147;1485542835;asciilifeform;davout: have you written this external proggy ? 1608148;1485542848;asciilifeform;or is the plan to create (why???) a quite-useless castrato-trb. 1608149;1485542853;davout;not yet 1608150;1485542870;asciilifeform;'i'ma snip out this cirrhotic liver and some time later i'll maybe find a new one' ? 1608151;1485542870;davout;and just like vtrons, everyone should be able to write its own easily 1608152;1485542890;asciilifeform;davout: we don't even have a suitable bignumatron yet 1608153;1485542898;ben_vulpes;davout: trb cannot exist in a state where "user must supply code for x" 1608154;1485542910;asciilifeform;(i would certainly not use a walletron based on openssl that DOES NOT PRE-DATE VALUABLEBTC forfuckssake) 1608155;1485542931;asciilifeform;i'm with ben_vulpes . it's a motherfucking REFERENCE CLIENT 1608156;1485542942;davout;asciilifeform: can use same openssl as trb 1608157;1485542946;asciilifeform;which means 100% of necessary function to set up bitcoin on alpha centauri. no exceptions. 1608158;1485542970;davout;i'm really not sold on this "has to be able to alpha centauri" requirement 1608159;1485542988;asciilifeform;it's the WHOLE FUCKING POINT of a reference client. 1608160;1485543010;davout;it really depends on what you mean by "reference client" 1608161;1485543019;asciilifeform;it means, first and foremost, WORKING bitcointron 1608162;1485543028;ben_vulpes;davout: why would you even consider releasing a patch that leaves trb unable to cook and transmit transactions? keep it on your table where it's useful to you. 1608163;1485543033;asciilifeform;and not 'working but you gotta go to some unspecified junkyard and glue a new liver for it out of ??? first' 1608164;1485543058;davout;is it like the platinum "one meter" buried somewhere for "reference" or is it "the bitcoin implementation that is the reference because it's sane, it works, and can be used in production" 1608165;1485543064;asciilifeform;it'd be one thing if davout proposed the cut ~in tandem with~ a standalone walletron. even if it were made entirely out of the old one. 1608166;1485543077;trinque;^ would be entirely reasonable 1608167;1485543078;davout;asciilifeform: i never said this wasn't on the table 1608168;1485543083;asciilifeform;davout: it defines ~what bitcoin is~ 1608169;1485543090;asciilifeform;in order to do this, it must WORK 1608170;1485543118;davout;yeah, really not very hard to be in agreement here 1608171;1485543164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had a pretty good imho description of the necessary cutting-apart of trb 1608172;1485543182;asciilifeform;but to remove vital organs and replace them with 'promise to give new liver later!!!' is lunacy. 1608173;1485543190;davout;but also appreciate the fact that i'm a fine position to know what is painful, retarded, and needs to die in bitcoin when it comes to issuing transaction 1608174;1485543234;asciilifeform;davout: pretty much everyone tuned in has experienced firsthand the retardation of the old walletron. 1608175;1485543240;davout;asciilifeform: i don't think you understand what i'm after, what i'm trying to get to is "sane and explicit knobs" instead of "here use this $magicfee" 1608176;1485543264;asciilifeform;what are the knobs, davout , if you remove the wallet and offer no equivalent replacement ? 1608177;1485543272;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608173 << doubful that's in question; still working both sides of the cut at once will be instructive 1608178;1485543272;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 18:53 davout: but also appreciate the fact that i'm a fine position to know what is painful, retarded, and needs to die in bitcoin when it comes to issuing transaction 1608179;1485543280;asciilifeform;if , using your trb, i cannot transact ? 1608180;1485543298;davout;i'm really not sure where this "no equivalent replacement" comes from 1608181;1485543302;trinque;gotta define for example how cut-wallet keeps balance 1608182;1485543321;asciilifeform;davout: you just said that you have not yet produced a replacement ? 1608183;1485543326;davout;trinque: wallet has keys, asks for unspent outputs to bitcoin client, deduces balance 1608184;1485543335;asciilifeform;tell me why a cut should be so much as considered for ten seconds without a ready, tested replacement. 1608185;1485543344;davout;asciilifeform: there's a difference between "not yet" and "never" 1608186;1485543356;trinque;asciilifeform: gotta define the cut to define the replacement 1608187;1485543366;asciilifeform;why not also cut out mempool ? 'oh we'll make new one LATERZ!!!! PROMISE!' 1608188;1485543372;trinque;you're getting ridiculous 1608189;1485543379;asciilifeform;why not throw out all of bitcoin ? oh we'll make new one next year. 1608190;1485543379;asciilifeform;aha. 1608191;1485543390;trinque;guy's entirely ready to discuss the thing 1608192;1485543397;trinque;and you're making it out to be something he never argued 1608193;1485543432;asciilifeform;snipping old wallet is a trivial patch, i suspect that any and each of trb folx could re-create it in half hour 1608194;1485543434;trinque;this whole thead could've been "I will not sign the excision unless it brings also the replacement wallet" ... "k" ... fin 1608195;1485543462;asciilifeform;trinque: that part is quite obvious and goes without saying 1608196;1485543486;asciilifeform;but not only will i not sign such a thing, i question the sanity of anyone who would. 1608197;1485543493;asciilifeform;prior to a replacement being ready. 1608198;1485543520;trinque;I can't find davout saying he refused to provide such a thing in his patch 1608199;1485543540;asciilifeform;trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608149 1608200;1485543540;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 18:47 davout: not yet 1608201;1485543540;thestringpuller;davout: wallet has keys, asks for unspent outputs to bitcoin << don't you have to be "watching" an address while indexing to get this info? 1608202;1485543630;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if you want it in O(1) , yes 1608203;1485543638;asciilifeform;otherwise you get it in O(N). 1608204;1485543643;davout;thestringpuller: UTXO set is ~2gb tops, indexing might be nice but necessary to scan for UTXOs that match a given set of addresses, also the wallet part can cache them if that particular wallet is the only one able to actually spend those UTXIs 1608205;1485543647;davout;*UTXOs 1608206;1485543655;asciilifeform;i.e. half hour or so (and destined to linearly increase forever) per shot. 1608207;1485543674;trinque;there was a decent thread on how 'wallet' end up being 'arbitrary declared index of declared addresses' 1608208;1485543684;trinque;strike one declared 1608209;1485543708;davout;trinque: text files with private keys sounds like the sane approach to me 1608210;1485543733;trinque;were you going to interrogate the utxos every block or something? 1608211;1485543741;asciilifeform;davout: if you're happy to wait for 30 min to an hour every time you unsheath the 'launch codes' -- then yes. 1608212;1485543771;trinque;now I see what lacks definition here. 1608213;1485543776;davout;asciilifeform: tbh i haven't measured it, but scanning 2gb of ram shouldn't really take that long 1608214;1485543795;asciilifeform;davout: afaik we do not have this cache. 1608215;1485543799;davout;also the UTXO set might very well decrease 1608216;1485543816;asciilifeform;nor is there any promise from any god that it will stay below 2GB, or 20, or 20,000, it is doomed to increase 1608217;1485543830;davout;asciilifeform: yeah well, if we're going to debate what "we don't have yet" we're not going to get very far 1608218;1485543832;asciilifeform;now why would it decrease ? 1608219;1485543837;asciilifeform;nao i'm curious 1608220;1485543842;thestringpuller;is there a way to scrape the UTXO set in TRB or do you have to do that manually as of now? 1608221;1485543868;davout;asciilifeform: take 20 UTXOs spend them in one go to a single address, poof! UTXO set has shrunk 1608222;1485543906;asciilifeform;davout: this is theoretically possible. in practice it seems like the direct opposite happens ? 1608223;1485543910;asciilifeform;infinite 'dust' fragging 1608224;1485543914;davout;thestringpuller: you're asking me what trajectory i'm going to take at 200mph for that turn, i'm at the point where i'm still wondering how to turn the goddamn car on 1608225;1485543934;asciilifeform;davout: my point was solely that a car sans-brakes is not a car 1608226;1485543936;asciilifeform;but coffin on wheels. 1608227;1485543940;davout;asciilifeform: a sane wallet would make it very easy to avoid dust fragmentation 1608228;1485543941;asciilifeform;and should not turn on at all. 1608229;1485543952;asciilifeform;davout: it would. but we haven't one yet. 1608230;1485543962;thestringpuller;davout: no. I'm just curious if there is a way to scrape UTXO's now, cause for my wallet tron I'm scraping blocks themselves. Def not O(n). (don't laugh) 1608231;1485543968;asciilifeform;and cutting out the old one , does not add up to even 0.1% of the work. 1608232;1485543973;davout;asciilifeform: granted, is it ok with you if i give it a goddamn shot? 1608233;1485543977;asciilifeform;give, give 1608234;1485543985;asciilifeform;but it is strange to begin with removing old one. 1608235;1485544002;asciilifeform;cut old liver ~when new one is sitting on the table, steaming, ready to transplant~ 1608236;1485544012;davout;asciilifeform: granted 1608237;1485544039;asciilifeform;then i have nothing else to disagree with 1608238;1485544054;davout;but appreciate that i'm a fucking noob and i need to have something to get started, at least with the toolchain, not that it has to make official release until it's actually done you know 1608239;1485544085;davout;thestringpuller: i'm not sure what you mean by "scraping the UTXO" ? 1608240;1485544101;thestringpuller;probing is more accurate a term 1608241;1485544117;asciilifeform;davout: it is good, and healthy, to 'target practice' with the toolchain. but please try to clearly note this. 1608242;1485544142;thestringpuller;i'm using the blockchain itself to get the UTXO for forming new transaction when creating raw TX with bitcoin, this requires searching teh blockchain or using ben_vulpes tool 1608243;1485544160;thestringpuller;s/with bitcoin/with trb* 1608244;1485544168;davout;asciilifeform: well for example, the "remove signmessage and verifymessage" patch could very well be considered ready for production, it cuts something, not something anyone sane would actually depend on 1608245;1485544196;asciilifeform;i disagree that this would do any good. 1608246;1485544208;davout;lighter trb? 1608247;1485544213;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: elaborate? 1608248;1485544213;asciilifeform;while it is imho stupid to generate such signatures and rely on them for any practical use, 1608249;1485544225;asciilifeform;there are historical signatures floating about, and one might wish to verify them 1608250;1485544226;davout;thestringpuller: i see, currently it's really not practical 1608251;1485544237;asciilifeform;using the routine that the author of said signature intended. 1608252;1485544277;davout;asciilifeform: my emulated mp would answer that a dork that signed that way can't possibly sign something important 1608253;1485544297;ben_vulpes;yeah, btc sigs are silly 1608254;1485544308;asciilifeform;archaeology is not always about 'important' people. 1608255;1485544331;trinque;I don't see that it'd be a terrible sin to have multiple branches descending from current trb 1608256;1485544342;trinque;one of which strips the thing bare; another which is the reference 1608257;1485544345;asciilifeform;trinque: trb already exists in multiple branches, such is the nature of vtronics. 1608258;1485544346;ben_vulpes;perhaps a low-dough point: vpatches ensure that functionality will always be available, regardless of weight of "current" version 1608259;1485544347;trinque;the former might help clear up the latter 1608260;1485544348;davout;asciilifeform: archaeologists can build a verifymessage-capable trb, couldn't they? 1608261;1485544350;trinque;asciilifeform: sure 1608262;1485544354;asciilifeform;trinque: 1 per user, in fact. 1608263;1485544368;thestringpuller;davout: that's why I think the UTXO probing is interesting. Easier to search ~2GB and ~100GB for the information you want. 1608264;1485544370;trinque;I am aware of that, or what I said next would make no sense 1608265;1485544470;davout;what version of gnu-awk are asciilifeform, trinque et al. using to have a usable vdiff.sh ? 1608266;1485544474;asciilifeform;davout: yes, they could 'rebuild historical trb' but imho if this is a kind of thing that ever becomes necessary, trb will have failed in its continuity-preserving mission. 1608267;1485544520;ben_vulpes;davout: GNU Awk 4.1.3, API: 1.1 1608268;1485544528;trinque;asciilifeform: consider our conversation about the openbsd patches in another castle 1608269;1485544536;davout;asciilifeform: the trb tree has a "continuity-preserving" mission, not "current trb official version" 1608270;1485544539;asciilifeform;trinque: link plz? 1608271;1485544571;ben_vulpes;davout: consider #!/bin/bash and set -e to make the thing die if any subprocesses return non-zero 1608272;1485544580;trinque;asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2016-12-19#ca75f916-f2c1-46a7-b3ba-27b0ac6f3e26 << thereabouts 1608273;1485544593;davout;asciilifeform: with this kind of reasoning we'd end up keeping the "accounting" feature around 1608274;1485544601;davout;ben_vulpes: ty 1608275;1485544603;trinque;I don't think it's a sin for davout to go slashing and cauterizing in one direction, meanwhile reference client proceeds in another 1608276;1485544604;asciilifeform;davout: how's that follow? 1608277;1485544611;trinque;and eventually there's a process of regrinding and so on 1608278;1485544616;trinque;or his branch dies 1608279;1485544622;asciilifeform;davout: can you draw a scenario where you might say 'now if only we had not thrown out idiot accounts...' 1608280;1485544626;davout;asciilifeform: well, if you want to "keep everything" you end up keeping everything 1608281;1485544632;asciilifeform;did i say 'everything' ? 1608282;1485544634;asciilifeform;when ? 1608283;1485544644;trinque;"nothing but this particular arrangement of driftwood counts as actual reference trb" 1608284;1485544648;trinque;it does proceed that way 1608285;1485544652;asciilifeform;i said this ? 1608286;1485544715;asciilifeform;or somehow this was implied in my patches ? (where, note, i cut out entire useless subsystems, and shrank memory drain eightfold ?) 1608287;1485544719;trinque;there are goals at odds here. to fix the nightmare that is current trb, gotta start slashing til you have something that's able to be comprehended 1608288;1485544724;davout;asciilifeform: well, maybe for forensic purpose you want to open up an accounts-enabled legacy wallet? i don't know, sounds equally likely as "want to check signature some derp made in weird ways during ancient times" 1608289;1485544758;asciilifeform;davout: didja ever read mircea_popescu's 'cut apart' piece ? 1608290;1485544760;ben_vulpes;please no backwards compatibility holy shit 1608291;1485544762;trinque;this ends up meaning slashing probably everything that doesn't keep the current network protocol running 1608292;1485544767;asciilifeform;cutting-apart is a great thing. 1608293;1485544777;asciilifeform;it means that -- yes -- if i need to , i can open an ancient wallet. 1608294;1485544785;davout;and i really don't understand how keeping stuff around is sane when the functionality is an operator knob-turn away anyway 1608295;1485544800;trinque;it'd probably be better to be hollering at a patch than all this 1608296;1485544804;asciilifeform;davout: a walletron is pointedly ~not~ 'a knob turn away' 1608297;1485544811;davout;maybe we can have trb-classic then trollface.jpg 1608298;1485544824;davout;asciilifeform: we're talking about verifymessage and signmessage 1608299;1485544842;asciilifeform;suppose i gotta verify the signature on a malformed tx. 1608300;1485544851;asciilifeform;that enemy shoved in as attempt to exploit the node. 1608301;1485544854;davout;if you ~must~ verify one of those sigs you pull up a trb that can ~fin~ 1608302;1485544880;davout;asciilifeform: you're conflating signatures on txes with signatures on arbitrary messages 1608303;1485544916;davout;it's in the "bells and whistles" box, not the "hot wire functionality" one 1608304;1485544917;asciilifeform;i get it, folx watched asciilifeform swing the axe, and it looked like great fun, nao everybody wants. 1608305;1485544931;trinque;ridiculous. 1608306;1485544941;davout;seriously? 1608307;1485544955;asciilifeform;but to lose functionality, however uncommonly needed, that does exactly 0 harm, and the loss of which reduces by no amount the labour of a trb code reader, is at best a snore. 1608308;1485544985;asciilifeform;srsly davout , trinque , you would compare 'verifymessage' to winblowz #ifdef crapolade ? 1608309;1485544989;asciilifeform;or to the orphanages ? 1608310;1485545002;trinque;I don't think anyone brought his cock into the matter 1608311;1485545007;davout;asciilifeform: no, was this comparison ever contemplated? 1608312;1485545025;asciilifeform;this is not the first thread of this kind, either. 1608313;1485545053;asciilifeform;and the last time, someone DID IN FACT SAY 'use python wallet' 1608314;1485545057;asciilifeform;and i still have not forgiven. 1608315;1485545076;ben_vulpes;heh who was that? 1608316;1485545077;asciilifeform;and it is 99% of my rage, re 'lose the wallet'. 1608317;1485545082;trinque;you gotta communicate more on-subj man; this is exasperating. 1608318;1485545094;asciilifeform;the even faint implication that i ought to so much as consider heathen nontrb wallets. 1608319;1485545101;trinque;guy was using the sign-message as an example for a smaller cut than the wallet 1608320;1485545135;trinque;and now we're on the n-th conversation fork 1608321;1485545152;asciilifeform;anyway who wants to do the 10 minutes of work to prepare a wallet snip, go ahead, just be aware that you will have to repeat most of said work by the time replacement wallet is a thing. 1608322;1485545160;davout;asciilifeform: to me there is and remains a difference in kind between "the thing that defines what money is" and "the particulars of your personal wallet" 1608323;1485545179;asciilifeform;davout: you do not get to say that a walletless bitcoin distribution succeeds in 'defining money'. 1608324;1485545184;asciilifeform;it most assuredly does not. 1608325;1485545209;asciilifeform;in fact, until we nailed down the dependencies all the way down to the kernel and gcc, it was possible to argue that trb does not define bitcoin. 1608326;1485545238;davout;let's take an example 1608327;1485545254;davout;the way i see things, the "fee estimation" code must die 1608328;1485545266;davout;not "be moved in external proggy", it must. die. 1608329;1485545283;asciilifeform;davout: this one, i agree with; mandate fee input on command line. 1608330;1485545288;asciilifeform;the estimator is of 0 use. 1608331;1485545299;asciilifeform;no one will miss it. 1608332;1485545310;asciilifeform;excellent example of 'what to cut' 1608333;1485545326;asciilifeform;and quite similar to the 'what is my ip' thing, which i shot. 1608334;1485545332;davout;wallet tells you what coin you can spend, you select the particular outputs, you define the outputs, it may warn you if the implied fee is ridiculous but that's it 1608335;1485545374;davout;asciilifeform: if trb provides sane endpoints the wallet can be written in whatever floats anyone's boat 1608336;1485545410;asciilifeform;davout: provide sane endpoints. i promise to read patch, and test, and help. 1608337;1485545412;ben_vulpes;i am still not sold on moving the wallet outside of what compiles as "trb" 1608338;1485545421;asciilifeform;but UNTIL new wallet EXISTS, i for one will sign no snips. 1608339;1485545421;davout;i'm not really sure whether transaction signature itself should stay in trb or be extracted out 1608340;1485545433;davout;ben_vulpes: can compile as separate binaries 1608341;1485545435;ben_vulpes;now /that/ i am sold on slicing from the node. 1608342;1485545451;ben_vulpes;davout: what /currently/ compiles as the single binary "trb" 1608343;1485545469;asciilifeform;davout, ben_vulpes : signatron belongs in a copper box with tiny hole drilled for one fiber. 1608344;1485545471;trinque;does sbcl also not only have to be able to interpret / compile common lisp; it must also provide a UI for you to generate statements in it? 1608345;1485545473;asciilifeform;and own battery. 1608346;1485545497;asciilifeform;trinque: sbcl is not a reference-implementation of anything. 1608347;1485545500;ben_vulpes;i don't see the benefits to the increase of binary compilation targets to 3 from the one extant. 1608348;1485545514;asciilifeform;(afaik no such thing ever existed for common lisp, because it was a sanely-defined -- i.e. paper -- standard.) 1608349;1485545533;ben_vulpes;2, where one signs, perhaps. 1608350;1485545534;trinque;for someone with such unwieldy metaphors, allow me that one. whether it was an RI was not my point 1608351;1485545534;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: crypto code belongs on separate box. 1608352;1485545534;davout;ben_vulpes: but even if separate binary i see this more as a "reference wallet" in the same way the "reference miner" demonstrates what a miner does, but isn't actually used by anyone professionnally issuing transactions 1608353;1485545552;ben_vulpes;davout: reference miner is still in trb bin. 1608354;1485545560;trinque;nothing helps me generate a valid lisp statement for sbcl other than I pop one in 1608355;1485545562;trinque;from arse 1608356;1485545567;trinque;and it tells me "fuck you" or "yum" 1608357;1485545589;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i am all for moving the miner to own binary. BUT you would then have to test it and somehow demonstrate that it in fact behaves IDENTICALLY to the original 1608358;1485545591;trinque;it doesn't have miles of hair just in case you wanted help writing a loop, or ... 1608359;1485545593;asciilifeform;grandfather's pistol. 1608360;1485545597;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: no argument, but i do not see the point of moving output indexer into a separate bin given that it needs a live blockchain anyways. 1608361;1485545620;davout;ben_vulpes: yeh, not that the miner-snipping doesn't itch 1608362;1485545641;ben_vulpes;davout: there are many parts of a kalash that are not strictly ergonomic. 1608363;1485545645;asciilifeform;what i would like to do in this thread, is to ask folx to stop and think for half a minute about what differentiates trb from prb. 1608364;1485545686;trinque;look man, your condescension switch is jammed on. 1608365;1485545688;davout;asciilifeform: trb is about keeping the core, prb is about "moar featurez" 1608366;1485545702;trinque;must be right next to the "fork topic" button 1608367;1485545745;asciilifeform;also i admit to a deep curiosity, the folx itching to dump the wallet without offering a new one, what the hell are you lot transacting WITH ? 1608368;1485545746;trinque;the wallet does in no way define the operation of the protcol or validating blocks 1608369;1485545748;asciilifeform;prb ? 1608370;1485545757;trinque;"are you secret wreckers" ? 1608371;1485545772;asciilifeform;what do you intend to use ? you want to put #ifdefs in for the wallet ? 1608372;1485545781;trinque;the wallet merely generates inputs trb will validate or not independently of it 1608373;1485545826;asciilifeform;i asked very specific question. say davout makes a wallet-less trb. and for some reason we all embrace it and roll it into each his own personal vtree. 1608374;1485545833;asciilifeform;what the fuck to transact with , then ? 1608375;1485545837;asciilifeform;hand calculator ? abacus ? 1608376;1485545856;trinque;the guy already said ok to shipping a txn maker with the patch!! 1608377;1485545877;asciilifeform;that'd be a tremendously useful thing. 1608378;1485545879;davout;asciilifeform: i have no particular interest in indulging strawmen 1608379;1485545895;asciilifeform;remove-old-liver-then-immediately-install-new -- a-ok. 1608380;1485545914;asciilifeform;remove-old-liver-then-go-stroll-around-liverless -- not. 1608381;1485546554;ben_vulpes;phf: may i have a copy of your log backups? 1608382;1485546584;ben_vulpes;phf: and on this, the third consecutive day of asking, would you kindly acknowledge receipt? 1608383;1485546653;asciilifeform;!~seen phf 1608384;1485546653;jhvh1;asciilifeform: phf was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: so if you have a system that you implemented fast, but it's slow, but you know how to now slowly make it fast, you have a strategy. if you're chasing corner cases, running a profiler and get mostly flat distribution, writing in special cases, etc. you don't have one 1608385;1485546662;asciilifeform;prolly out in meatspace. 1608386;1485546675;asciilifeform;far from a console. 1608387;1485546714;ben_vulpes;or or or 1608388;1485546734;asciilifeform;or killed by martians. 1608389;1485546758;ben_vulpes;unless i misremember, the man is in the habit of at least mentioning prolonged absences. 1608390;1485546793;ben_vulpes;which, subject to opsec constraints, is a fine thing to do. 1608391;1485546823;asciilifeform;iirc he vanished for 2wks once (turned out it was to bury some kin) 1608392;1485546861;ben_vulpes;was this before or after taking responsibility for critical infrastructure? 1608393;1485546889;asciilifeform;before, i think. 1608394;1485546905;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: Framedragger oughta have same l0gz, let's ask him. 1608395;1485546922;asciilifeform;Framedragger, can haz l0gz tarball ? 1608396;1485546924;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i can scrape btcbase as well as the next feller. 1608397;1485546945;asciilifeform;no, iirc he has proper db 1608398;1485546957;asciilifeform;not a scrape 1608399;1485546977;ben_vulpes;is it not bouncer logs -> html transform? 1608400;1485546983;Framedragger;false, no db. just bouncer logs 1608401;1485546991;Framedragger;no db thus far, anyway 1608402;1485546993;ben_vulpes;as i recalled. 1608403;1485547001;asciilifeform;aah 1608404;1485547006;Framedragger;nothing pretty. if any use, could give tarball of bouncer logs 1608405;1485547014;ben_vulpes;i *have* put some thought into this project, asciilifeform. 1608406;1485547021;asciilifeform;all i've got is (about 98% uptime) plain text l0gz. 1608407;1485547037;Framedragger;bouncer is actually quite nice, as phf said; that's what he had before, he wanted db for xrefs etc 1608408;1485547045;ben_vulpes;yes well i may as well just scrape btcbase at that point asciilifeform 1608409;1485547051;Framedragger;(if you make sure it autoreconnects, etc) 1608410;1485547068;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yeah, unless you're trying to bridge a specific and small gap, mine probably won't be of any use 1608411;1485547078;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: no, i'm ready to eat the whole wad. 1608412;1485547107;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes's logtron is neato btw 1608413;1485547119;ben_vulpes;ty 1608414;1485547126;asciilifeform;my only nitpick is the colours, and i don't even know if it is my display calibrarion, or eyes, that balk. 1608415;1485547134;ben_vulpes;stylesheets welcome, btw. 1608416;1485547137;ben_vulpes;davout: ^^ 1608417;1485547153;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: try green in place of red, if you feel like playing with it 1608418;1485547186;asciilifeform;0x00FF00 green. 1608419;1485547549;ben_vulpes;comme ca? 1608420;1485547583;asciilifeform;eh it's your box, use what colours you like. 1608421;1485547613;ben_vulpes;nono, as in go look at it now 1608422;1485547639;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i meant, whole thing 1608423;1485547641;ben_vulpes;oh fucking highlight 1608424;1485547660;*;asciilifeform is fond of old-fashioned green crt terminals 1608425;1485547674;Framedragger;(i personally like the pink highlight, it's immediately noticeable but still readable) 1608426;1485547684;asciilifeform;if i were writing logtron, i'd go for green text , and names inverted (black on green) letters. 1608427;1485547691;asciilifeform;in fixed width letters. 1608428;1485547692;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah pure primary green, crt, i figued! hah 1608429;1485547692;ben_vulpes;i have very little appetite for futzing with css. 1608430;1485547709;*;asciilifeform does not know, from memory, how to make this 1608431;1485547720;ben_vulpes;am wasting time fixing the wp comment threading shitshow already. 1608432;1485547813;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you got considerably farther than i did, in re mp-wp 1608433;1485547823;ben_vulpes;this is not an honourable feat. 1608434;1485547847;ben_vulpes;but the use of a friend's backhoe to put in a septic system to replace the outhouse. 1608435;1485547893;ben_vulpes;but yes, fix the javascript only to find that it never worked in the first place, and the replytocom query parameter doesn't set the parent_id variable apparently at all 1608436;1485547899;asciilifeform;imho anything involving php is still outhouse. (albeit some outhouses are a step ahead of others, what with stone plinths and toilet paper roll holder, instead of earthen pit) 1608437;1485547917;ben_vulpes;sure, whatever. geotherm heated seat even. 1608438;1485547943;ben_vulpes;fact of the matter is that wp 2.7 does ~everything a person needs from a personal cms afaict. 1608439;1485547959;ben_vulpes;except of course threaded comments, and this and that and the other thing. 1608440;1485547960;trinque;anything touching the web is an outhouse 1608441;1485547974;trinque;be ready to fill with dirt and dig another, and everything will be fine 1608442;1485547997;ben_vulpes;outhouses and trenchfoot. that's webdev! 1608443;1485548176;Framedragger;i'm still preferring http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503181 but granted, don't have a working "moderated but without captcha" comments solution. best i can think of is, write very light backend service to handle comment post requests, store them somewhere sensible, allow operator to accept/deny comments (could be flat text files) 1608444;1485548176;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 10:31 Framedragger: regarding LAMP stacks and blog software: static site generators are there for a reason. significantly smaller codebases and attack surfaces cf. wordpress. just sayin'. 1608445;1485548180;Framedragger;files* 1608446;1485548217;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: you missed the good old days when i exported raw html from an org file 1608447;1485548227;Framedragger;ahh, sounds sexy :) 1608448;1485548231;ben_vulpes;not at all 1608449;1485548241;ben_vulpes;eventually grew to over sixty seconds per export run. 1608450;1485548247;Framedragger;well, no middleman nonsense at least, then 1608451;1485548286;Framedragger;why's that bad? i understand if the 'time it takes to render' function is exponential in some way or another, but if linear growth and less than say 30 min - what of it, really 1608452;1485548298;ben_vulpes;and i wanted comments, but did not want to bake myself further into an ossified tower of software retardation. 1608453;1485548325;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: because it is wholly unacceptable that i not be able to see the effects of changing one tag in the source files immediately. 1608454;1485548352;Framedragger;that does break the 'change, see immediate effects' loop, hm. 1608455;1485548377;ben_vulpes;remind me why we use computers again? 1608456;1485548434;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: for all of the time i have spent losing my mind in radioactive webtech mines i a) do not like the domain b) have zero desire to build half-baked solutions when ~fully baked ones exist 1608457;1485548475;Framedragger;re. a), i totally hear ya. i mean, who does. re. b), yes i can see that. 1608458;1485548480;ben_vulpes;logs and search will at the least provide interesting lessons in postgres design and optimization. writing my own disqus, not so much. 1608459;1485548518;Framedragger;on the other hand, i could see the latter being *really* useful for many. granted, neither you or me are altruists. 1608460;1485548571;ben_vulpes;it's not even an altruism thing, it's a "do you serve a churning vat of cockroaches or kings with names" 1608461;1485550653;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: on the "oh noes apple broke more shit" thread, not only do pageup/down not work, but apple's own messenger wastes all the CPU that "Slack" left on the table 1608462;1485550660;ben_vulpes;it's GREAT 1608463;1485550665;ben_vulpes;make macs great again 1608464;1485550669;ben_vulpes;install openbsd on them 1608465;1485550781;trinque;jobs may have actually killed someone with his hands if he saw the "o look mother I put the apple watch inside the mac" 1608466;1485550782;mod6;<+davout> mod6: ty, will try the gnu-awk thing << ok, gl. let us know how it goes. i've had this issue before myself. i ~think~ that's what I did to resolve it on my african box. 1608467;1485551377;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: pgup/pgdown work on the box i have here 1608468;1485551384;asciilifeform;home/end -- do not 1608469;1485551399;asciilifeform;there's gotta be a patch, somewhere. 1608470;1485551411;asciilifeform;even for winblows there are patches. 1608471;1485551595;mircea_popescu;o hai 1608472;1485551617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notrly. isn't it more fearsome in $trangelang ? 1608473;1485551634;asciilifeform;waiwat is 1608474;1485551644;asciilifeform;aaah the egg 1608475;1485551665;asciilifeform;imho it was nifty and ought to appear in other langs. 1608476;1485551673;asciilifeform;incl. pygmistani. 1608477;1485551720;mircea_popescu;tough as nails to translate though 1608478;1485551727;mircea_popescu;it's very heavily formalistic. 1608479;1485551768;*;asciilifeform can picture. 1608480;1485551974;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608137 << who the everloving would shoot the dumb fuck. nobody can be bothered to even shoot IN her, let alone at her. 1608481;1485551974;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 18:04 asciilifeform: but in latest lulz, http://archive.is/8G35m >> 'O’Grady was mistakenly identified this week as a Secret Service agent (also named Kerry O’Grady) who is under investigation for posting a statement on Facebook that appeared to indicate she preferred jail over being shot and killed for President Trump.' 1608482;1485551993;mircea_popescu;this #1 disease of the failed female, "if i were your wife i'd poison your coffee." 1608483;1485552004;mircea_popescu;bitch, you're nobody's wife and there's a reason for that. 1608484;1485552407;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608165 << it's the right process. if you aim to cut function out, first separate it, then produce replacement. modularize, as it were. 1608485;1485552407;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 18:51 asciilifeform: it'd be one thing if davout proposed the cut ~in tandem with~ a standalone walletron. even if it were made entirely out of the old one. 1608486;1485552450;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's pretty well demarcated. grep -i -r wallet * 1608487;1485552489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but there's no clean way currently for me to replace old-wallet with davout-wallet. so in that sense, modularize the wallet out of the code. 1608488;1485552523;asciilifeform;in point of fact if trb knew how to eat raw tx, you have the knob, neh? 1608489;1485552549;ben_vulpes;"tcp inject"! 1608490;1485552595;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: requiring faraday cage microcontroller tx gen box to speak whole bitcoin protocol, is imho nuttery 1608491;1485552604;asciilifeform;not to mention asking it to have a nic 1608492;1485552609;asciilifeform;with which to tcp 1608493;1485552627;asciilifeform;unidirectional fiber light plox. 1608494;1485552637;ben_vulpes;yeah, 1608495;1485552640;ben_vulpes;i see it 1608496;1485552656;asciilifeform;btw i found toslink modules for ~35 cents ea. 1608497;1485552662;ben_vulpes;wait no i don't, why is tx-gen box to be offlined and not the signing box? 1608498;1485552665;mircea_popescu;they're not expensive. 1608499;1485552677;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes recall the cut article ? 1608500;1485552684;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'gen' meant as signer also 1608501;1485552687;ben_vulpes;i shall reread aaaagain 1608502;1485552693;asciilifeform;as per mircea_popescu 's sketch 1608503;1485552782;ben_vulpes;"coinbases" in this post means something rather different from what i've come to know them as eg the block subsidy 1608504;1485552800;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes all coins are the same thing. 1608505;1485552832;ben_vulpes;let us sweep the floor then, and settle the semantics. "unspent transaction out" is now "coinbase" according to mircea_popescu ? 1608506;1485552876;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608204 << this brings back an ancient discussion re the most likely failure mode of bitcoin. technically speaking there's 2.1 quadrillion coins which may in principle move independently, worth ~100 bytes each. 1608507;1485552876;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:00 davout: thestringpuller: UTXO set is ~2gb tops, indexing might be nice but necessary to scan for UTXOs that match a given set of addresses, also the wallet part can cache them if that particular wallet is the only one able to actually spend those UTXIs 1608508;1485552897;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes an "uxto" discusses an aspect of a coinbase. 1608509;1485552950;ben_vulpes;i am under the impression that a coinbase would not need to be injected, but that the individual utxos do need to be. 1608510;1485552978;mircea_popescu;all coins, in the sense of agglomerations of satoshi, exist as descendents of an original block subsidy, and in that sense ARE coinbases ; much like electrons or photons are wave functions. they manifest verifiably in certain points, as "unspent transaction outputs" ; muych like waveform collapses. they interact with matter, in certain ways,this is called a transaction. 1608511;1485553031;mircea_popescu;now this ontological preoccupation is of no great practical importance, which is why people don't generally gas past "hey it's an uxto" 1608512;1485553123;mircea_popescu;much like nobody seriously bothers to say "the wavefunction that is office chair" 1608513;1485553181;ben_vulpes;k. 1608514;1485553234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand it, a defragging tx weighs exactly same as fragging tx , though 1608515;1485553261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the defragging is an antientalpy movement. 1608516;1485553276;mircea_popescu;technically speaking sticking people back into their mother's cunts to get two people out of a litter of 12 also costs the same. 1608517;1485553280;mircea_popescu;it's just not done in practice is all. 1608518;1485553307;asciilifeform;but why in this case is it so, if defrag tx takes up no moar space than the original fragging tx 1608519;1485553312;mircea_popescu;as time wears on, more and more tinier and tinier bits of coin carry irreducible meaning, and can't be defragged 1608520;1485553330;asciilifeform;why they cannot be defragged ? 1608521;1485553348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think of evolution of holy roman empire. currently, block of thousand btc all carry the same meaning, "we belong to holy roman emperor". 1608522;1485553362;mircea_popescu;three generations later, all of saxony is 500 duchies, princely domains etc the size of your yard. 1608523;1485553371;mircea_popescu;defrag, how ? force of arms, maybe. 1608524;1485553379;asciilifeform;then comes hitler and glues all back together, 1608525;1485553383;asciilifeform;neh? 1608526;1485553388;mircea_popescu;kinda what bitcoin doesn't want though. 1608527;1485553397;mircea_popescu;from the pov of the network, glueing together is technically speaking a loss. 1608528;1485553421;mircea_popescu;of "value" in a very novel, post-bitcoin, deeply information-theoretic interpretation of the term. 1608529;1485553436;asciilifeform;how is '1 satoshi per cockroach' an improvement vs '10 lords with 10'000 btc ea.' . 1608530;1485553448;mircea_popescu;more information. 1608531;1485553453;mircea_popescu;hence more utility. 1608532;1485553474;asciilifeform;noise, not info. 1608533;1485553487;mircea_popescu;this is the definition of racism. 1608534;1485553487;asciilifeform;whothefuck cares about roaches. 1608535;1485553512;mircea_popescu;tell you what, to the stupid cunts getting pregnant at 13 and failing to learn how to wash or twerk by 16, the little details of their dirty interiors are relevant. 1608536;1485553537;asciilifeform;they can use pieces of eight, dubloons, rubles. 1608537;1485553549;mircea_popescu;yes, but as they progress so does the bitcoin fragment. 1608538;1485553612;asciilifeform;incidentally what does a tx to consolidate N addrs having 1 satoshi each, weigh, in terms of N 1608539;1485553616;asciilifeform;? 1608540;1485553624;mircea_popescu;anyway. war in this sense, as in napoleon invading, is a loss of information. ie, library burning. 1608541;1485553633;mircea_popescu;~N. 1608542;1485553659;asciilifeform;noshit space in O(N) 1608543;1485553672;asciilifeform;but i'd like an actual byte constant per. 1608544;1485553673;mircea_popescu;did i misunderstand teh q ? 1608545;1485553682;mircea_popescu;ah about 96-128 or so 1608546;1485553684;asciilifeform;so we can say how many can live in a block. 1608547;1485553688;asciilifeform;aah 1608548;1485553702;mircea_popescu;depends on factors and things but as degree of magnitude it's there. 1608549;1485553759;mircea_popescu;so yes, if we aim to go from "all coinbases = 1 satoshi" through merger to "all coinbases = 2 satoshi" we're looking at a whole shitload of blocks. 1608550;1485553781;asciilifeform;so at max fragocalypse, one might have situation where to move 100 satoshi, occupies a block 1608551;1485553782;mircea_popescu;this is the only part of the system that's truly badly designed. the node/miner thing, meh, that's iffy. 1608552;1485553824;mircea_popescu;but this one ... well, the numbers actually don't work. 1608553;1485553824;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a block is a mb. 10k satoshi. 1608554;1485553832;asciilifeform;aah yea 1608555;1485553835;mircea_popescu;note that the per-block value is liable to stay ~constant ; it certainly varies less than the price of bitcoin for instance. so those satoshi will always be worth a lot in fiat terms anyway 1608556;1485553885;mircea_popescu;anyway, the issue of fees hopefully limits the smallest practical unit to maybe 1k or so, which blessfully shaves 3 zeros from the problem, and at the right end 1608557;1485553885;asciilifeform;in same respect, it would likely cost quite a bit to collect gold contacts from every old cpu in every junkyard. 1608558;1485553890;mircea_popescu;it still doesn't solve it thought 1608559;1485553908;asciilifeform;but notice, folx do collect the gold. it is +ev. 1608560;1485553919;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gold is worthless for the exact reason goldbugs/idiots think it better than bitcoin. no scaling, because anchored to irrelevancy 1608561;1485553941;davout;seems to me like defragging could be a thing given the correct tools 1608562;1485553946;asciilifeform;going strictly on industrial gold for this example 1608563;1485553971;mircea_popescu;davout not really a problem of tools. 1608564;1485553986;asciilifeform;(incidentally, though unanswerable, would be interestig to learn what the purely industrial worth of gold would be.) 1608565;1485554001;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ~0, oversupplied. 1608566;1485554010;mircea_popescu;neodymium worth moar. 1608567;1485554015;davout;i make pretty much all of my txes by hand and fragmentation is something i try to avoid as much as possibru 1608568;1485554041;davout;and in this regard, doing-by-hand certainly has value, in the sense that i don't end up with dust 1608569;1485554046;mircea_popescu;davout the problem discussed is where the most serene republic spans 85 million stars and a trillion planets and everyone involved holds a few satoshi and ten thousand times more slaves. 1608570;1485554055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not really oversupplied, there are quite a few unplated contacts in use. 1608571;1485554068;davout;and whenever i do i manage to glue it to sane txen in order for it not to be dust anymore 1608572;1485554070;asciilifeform;if alchemy tomorrow -- would all get plated in au. 1608573;1485554089;davout;mircea_popescu: i can see that too, not much that can be done though 1608574;1485554091;asciilifeform;consider the discovery of electrolytic aluminum refining. 1608575;1485554097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is like thinking if universities stopped stupidifying girls tomorrow you'd get good service at the diner. 1608576;1485554102;mircea_popescu;i tried this ; it doth not work irl. 1608577;1485554178;mircea_popescu;davout the thing that SHOULD be done about it is make it work in such a way it doesn't choke in its own fumes. not that i know how to do that. 1608578;1485554200;asciilifeform;happened, for good or ill, with cpu cycles ('why the fuck there is a computer in my flashlight' thread), plastics, LED, etc. 1608579;1485554200;mircea_popescu;(and such not knowing is a large part of what moderates any interest i might have in greenlighting i-b work_ 1608580;1485554216;asciilifeform;cheapola -> folx find 10,001 uses. 1608581;1485554240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did i tell you about the led crotchless "underwear" ? 1608582;1485554246;asciilifeform;no? 1608583;1485554260;mircea_popescu;it's actually pretty cool ; can't possibly miss even in the dark. also cunt looks good in it. 1608584;1485554302;davout;mircea_popescu: what's i-b ? 1608585;1485554316;asciilifeform;does it use gurljuice for battery electrolyte? 1608586;1485554329;mircea_popescu;davout ideal bitcoin. a putative v2.0 / replacement / fork. 1608587;1485554349;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, all the ones i've seen use normal 1.5v watch battery. 1608588;1485554372;asciilifeform;aah like the electroluminescent shirts. 1608589;1485554377;mircea_popescu;yep 1608590;1485554495;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had a thread a while back re 'fragless' coins 1608591;1485554504;mircea_popescu;a coupla, yeah. 1608592;1485554507;asciilifeform;but i can't seem to turn it up 1608593;1485554541;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-31#1532594 for instance 1608594;1485554541;a111;Logged on 2016-08-31 18:02 mircea_popescu: until the coinbase halves, you can only use 50 btc ; then 25 and 12.5 etc. 1608595;1485554594;mircea_popescu;still, none of this solves the fundamental problem, which is : as more and more people get involved, the cost of reporting each transaction to everyone else balloons. 1608596;1485554621;mircea_popescu;yes, property is functionally as well as fundamentally "this is mine which means it's not yours nor yours nor yours nor - i see you there hiding in the back, yours either!" 1608597;1485554636;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, once the headcount crosses millions into billiosn, well... forgetaboutit. 1608598;1485554653;ben_vulpes;this one also continues to boggle me: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422790 1608599;1485554653;a111;Logged on 2016-03-05 18:53 asciilifeform: ditto address-generation from mining. 1608600;1485554697;davout;ben_vulpes: how? 1608601;1485554710;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: picture 'coins as planets, discovered planet? you have a coin' approx. 1608602;1485554740;mircea_popescu;that;s more or less how it works now. 1608603;1485554746;ben_vulpes;i never successfully worked through how transacting would work 1608604;1485554759;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: same as now. 1608605;1485554787;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'planet x, provably mine, now belongs to ben_vulpes ', signed, asciilifeform 1608606;1485554803;ben_vulpes;is there some amount of "mine for privkey" involved? 1608607;1485554828;ben_vulpes;in addition to "mine for subsidy"? 1608608;1485554831;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not necessarily. 1608609;1485554868;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as gedankenexperiment, imagine if we went 'primes above 1000^10000 are now coins' 1608610;1485554893;asciilifeform;then if you find one, you nail it down by claiming , signed, 1608611;1485554894;mircea_popescu;this is an old and afaik failed experiment 1608612;1485554910;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is impractical to make as drawn here. 1608613;1485554922;asciilifeform;so could not have failed. 1608614;1485554947;asciilifeform;the necessity mathematical object was not afaik ever discovered. 1608615;1485554975;ben_vulpes;"address-generation from mining" literally does not compute for me unless there's some amount of "pubkey hash must meet this criteria" a la bitcoin 1608616;1485555129;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608249 << i honestly don't see the problem with taking out the bitcoin signature idiocy. 1608617;1485555129;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:10 asciilifeform: there are historical signatures floating about, and one might wish to verify them 1608618;1485555150;mircea_popescu;in my extensive practice as a major economic agent i never either wanted to or did bother to verify one. 1608619;1485555203;asciilifeform;in my extensive practice as an absolute nobody -- i also did not. but supposed that someone -- could. 1608620;1485555213;mircea_popescu;so that someone could go hang. 1608621;1485555228;mircea_popescu;"signatures" has as much business being part of bitcoin as sink has being part of car. 1608622;1485555233;mircea_popescu;tyvm, but no. 1608623;1485555251;asciilifeform;no golden toilet either?! 1608624;1485555269;ben_vulpes;heat flux through butt on gold toilet turns out -- not pleasant 1608625;1485555293;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: panda fur gasket on there for a reason! 1608626;1485555322;ben_vulpes;aha 1608627;1485555371;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: how do you square this "someone mighta" with "nothing for allcomers", and in particular "a specific thing for nobody"? 1608628;1485555385;mircea_popescu;i think he was just being contrarian, isn't seriously holding the position. 1608629;1485555402;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: existing code is privileged omfg what part of this is hard to grasp 1608630;1485555405;mircea_popescu;it's a cheap and welcome cut, reduces the codebase, that and the idiotic "alert messages" are certainly next to snip 1608631;1485555428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what alert messags 1608632;1485555445;mircea_popescu;the thing gavin thought constitutes the basis of his importance. 1608633;1485555449;asciilifeform;i killed those right after baking the genesis 1608634;1485555459;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.3-turdmeister-alert-snip 1608635;1485555464;mircea_popescu;omfg the original code is priviledged what part of this is hard to grasp!!1 1608636;1485555478;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do you mind ? i'm having a quality moment here with the alf. 1608637;1485555487;asciilifeform;lel 1608638;1485555529;ben_vulpes;i excised my humor subsystems last year 1608639;1485555534;asciilifeform;iirc there was a mircea_popescu parable where someone attaches a parasite to a wife and somebody else objects to removing, because 'how do you know where it ends and other it begins' 1608640;1485555541;asciilifeform;or mebbe i dreamed it. 1608641;1485555554;mircea_popescu;well there is that but nevertheless, guy said plainly he's noob tring to learn. 1608642;1485555559;asciilifeform;therr is a whole dream-trilema that asciilifeform sometimes reads in sleep. 1608643;1485555561;mircea_popescu;this is exactly how that goes. 1608644;1485555569;*;asciilifeform brb, teatime 1608645;1485555682;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608633 <<< o noes, mebbe someone important we never heard about had something important to alert about 1608646;1485555682;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 22:17 asciilifeform: i killed those right after baking the genesis 1608647;1485555698;*;davout could not resist. 1608648;1485555768;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-178 << asciilifeform responded, also comments properly threaded nao 1608649;1485555798;mircea_popescu;i gotta see this wonder, ch display possibly one of the more atrocious 1608650;1485555819;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dawg you aware your articles go in this 160px column ? 1608651;1485555819;ben_vulpes;thanks 1608652;1485555823;ben_vulpes;thanks mircea_popescu 1608653;1485555827;ben_vulpes;patches welcome 1608654;1485555835;mircea_popescu;no see, that's the problem 1608655;1485555838;mircea_popescu;it's already the size of a patch 1608656;1485555843;ben_vulpes;which browser 1608657;1485555844;mircea_popescu;if i were a pirate i couldn't read it altogether. 1608658;1485555877;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/K7FvY < see ? 1608659;1485555903;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/gaze-upon-their-works-ye-mighty-and-tremble << CH - Gaze upon their works, ye mighty, and tremble 1608660;1485555911;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: that's not a browser 1608661;1485555953;mircea_popescu;unexpected objection... 1608662;1485555992;ben_vulpes;i will not defensively css against the width at which archive.is renders websites 1608663;1485556014;mircea_popescu;try browsershots or something ? 1608664;1485556046;ben_vulpes;There were already 188 screenshot requests for cascadianhacker.com today. 1608665;1485556049;ben_vulpes;Please create a user account for more screenshot quota. 1608666;1485556056;mircea_popescu;went south did it ? 1608667;1485556065;ben_vulpes;> click here for previous ... 1608668;1485556066;ben_vulpes;> 404 1608669;1485556072;mircea_popescu;heh 1608670;1485556074;ben_vulpes;this is so cool! 1608671;1485556082;mircea_popescu;used to be cool, thbat thing 1608672;1485556114;ben_vulpes;0/2 1608673;1485556150;mircea_popescu;Browser shots Sorry service is down for maintanence << dude they're not even trying anymore, the web's deader than shannen doherty's career 1608674;1485556229;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608258 << not so low. 1608675;1485556229;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:12 ben_vulpes: perhaps a low-dough point: vpatches ensure that functionality will always be available, regardless of weight of "current" version 1608676;1485556249;ben_vulpes;i didn't know anyone browsed the web with browsers anyways, i thought the en vogue thing to do was just to read the source and sort of intuit where the boxes went 1608677;1485556291;ben_vulpes;guessing at definitions from context, but with all the excitement of html css and js 1608678;1485556313;*;ben_vulpes beer, meat, carbs 1608679;1485556344;mircea_popescu;i thought you wrote all this shit on a touchpad anyway. 1608680;1485556351;ben_vulpes;with my dong 1608681;1485556383;ben_vulpes;highly prehensile, or prezhensile as the tenderqueers would say 1608682;1485556396;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1608683;1485556699;mircea_popescu;holy shit two hours of this nonsense 1608684;1485556705;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why the fuck are you so obstructive anyway 1608685;1485556788;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because if folx must ruin bitcoin via discontinuity ('you can always dig up historical code laters'), non-exhaustive pseudo-reference implementations, etc. i'd rather they understood what they were doing. 1608686;1485556800;asciilifeform;burn down your house ~deliberately~, if you must, not by playing with matches as 3 y.o. 1608687;1485556809;mircea_popescu;dude... 1608688;1485556940;mircea_popescu;in the time everyone spent arguing with various phantoms they could have actually done all the work that was therein contemplated. 1608689;1485556942;mircea_popescu;this can't continue. 1608690;1485556958;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: implementing sane wallet is easily a man-year. 1608691;1485556998;mircea_popescu;the two items discussed were "modularize wallet" and "remove btc address signatures". they're in the 2-5 hour range for a very careful single engineer. 1608692;1485557007;asciilifeform;signature is 5min work yes. 1608693;1485557023;asciilifeform;'modularize wallet' is a man-year. 1608694;1485557077;asciilifeform;btw since folx are itchy to snippety-snip, i will note, there is actual dead code in trb 1608695;1485557085;asciilifeform;take gnu profiler, run, you will find it 1608696;1485557121;asciilifeform;(i am speaking strictly of provably-unreachable routines. there are others that could be snipped, with some work, without affecting semantics) 1608697;1485557168;asciilifeform;for the most part, asciilifeform did not touch any of this code. reasoning was, that it is part of the historic record. 1608698;1485557197;asciilifeform;killing gavin's remote backdoor is not comparable, it was a necessary part of 'first do no harm' 1608699;1485557276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at issue is your very poor (through being inflexible) best scenario/worst scenario context switching. so : it is the habit of engineers to consider the worst scenario when building a house, which is how houses end up 3.5x structurally stronger than thyey need to be. because holy hell, what if rocks fall or the ground moves or there's very wet snow or some idiot gets confused and parks his car on your roof. howev 1608700;1485557280;mircea_popescu;er, when discussing things people do, especially their plans, a best scenario is to be employed, becuause people aren't fucking amelia bedelia and if they are we want to find out. 1608701;1485557307;mircea_popescu;it's safe to assume he's not about to do something stupiud in all the places it's not exhaustively clear what he actually means to do. and if he does do something stupid all the better, we get to laugh at him later. 1608702;1485557312;asciilifeform;a reasonable house has 7+x over-strength. 1608703;1485557316;mircea_popescu;people aren't objects and vice versa, you gotta context switch. 1608704;1485557318;asciilifeform;bridge -- 20. 1608705;1485557335;mircea_popescu;everything in the us is 2.2 these days. but whatever the actual value might be. 1608706;1485557364;asciilifeform;but to rewind: i do not object to davout mutilating his own personal trb however he likes. however i do object to calling a trb-minus-any-wallet a 'reference implementation'. 1608707;1485557369;asciilifeform;ditto trb-minus-any-miner. 1608708;1485557374;asciilifeform;ditto trb-minus-mempool. 1608709;1485557377;mircea_popescu;cross that bridge when you get to it. 1608710;1485557400;mircea_popescu;do you have any fucking idea how many bridges we crossed when we got to them to get here ? 1608711;1485557400;mircea_popescu; read my fucking lips : ALL OF THEM. 1608712;1485557491;asciilifeform;my objection is not 'davout Broke Trb oh noez!!' but to the thought process that might lead an otherwise literate d00d to contemplate a 'reference' that lacks vital organs as a valid thing 1608713;1485557508;asciilifeform;because clearly our priors diverged somewhere 1608714;1485557515;asciilifeform;and i would like to know ~where~. 1608715;1485557533;mircea_popescu;i don't see that happened. 1608716;1485557540;asciilifeform;perhaps it did not. 1608717;1485557545;asciilifeform;but i would like to know, if it had. 1608718;1485557553;mircea_popescu;well you didn't ask, either, did you. 1608719;1485557562;asciilifeform;iirc jurov , for instance, specifically said 'hey you can go and use this python wallet' 1608720;1485557568;asciilifeform;and my jaw dropped 1608721;1485557589;asciilifeform;(this was in the last thread re subj, a while back) 1608722;1485557613;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you remember the old leaden church roofs ? 1608723;1485557617;asciilifeform;(did we do this thread..?) 1608724;1485557645;mircea_popescu;iirc he said he used it without trouble. 1608725;1485557654;asciilifeform;this proves nothing. 1608726;1485557663;asciilifeform;heartbleed also sat 'without trouble'. 1608727;1485557694;asciilifeform;al schwartz wrote about the roofs, iirc it was. semiconductor firms replaced cathedral roofs all over europe, for 0 cost. just to get the valuable pre-hiroshima metal. 1608728;1485557713;asciilifeform;ditto firms lifting old, ww1, ww2 battleships. 1608729;1485557722;mircea_popescu;yes yes, proves nothing, so what if it doesn't. 1608730;1485557736;asciilifeform;pre-2012 bitcoin code is a thing. 1608731;1485557745;asciilifeform;categorically. 1608732;1485557751;asciilifeform;like pre-hiroshima Pb. 1608733;1485557776;mircea_popescu;it'll still give you saturnism. 1608734;1485557797;asciilifeform;it is , largely, why we have v. because every line of post-2012, bitcoin-touching, code, is guilty-until-proven-innocent of plotting to steal. 1608735;1485557839;asciilifeform;and the only countermeasure is to keep the changes to grandfather's pistol, minimal, reviewable, 'fits in head.' and to retain old mechanisms when practical. 1608736;1485557861;asciilifeform;and if abandoning this -- may as well replace whole shebang. 1608737;1485557868;asciilifeform;i thought this was basic. 1608738;1485557972;mircea_popescu;there is some merit to this view. not as much as you imagine though. gavin was there, in 2012, and giving "talks" to the nsa, in 2011, and wondering out loud if that's certainly not why satoshi stopped talking to him. 1608739;1485557991;asciilifeform;for all i know, nsa was there on day 1. 1608740;1485557994;asciilifeform;but bitcoin was ~worthless. 1608741;1485557997;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> make macs great again <+ben_vulpes> install openbsd on them << :D 1608742;1485558005;asciilifeform;so it is not that nsa was absent, no. it is the theft incentive, that was. 1608743;1485558010;asciilifeform;no one knew that the thing would take off. 1608744;1485558049;mircea_popescu;perhaps your understanding of incentive is not so strictly correct. pedophile who primes 9yo girl is not necessarily wrong in evaluating her sexual value a few years before it customarily becoems apparent. 1608745;1485558059;mircea_popescu;and plenty of people knew it would take off, which is how we're here. 1608746;1485558096;asciilifeform;even if pedo did not groom this gurl from birth, there is still ~bottomless well of bugs in openssl, boost, linux, etc. 1608747;1485558106;asciilifeform;which is why the clock on replacing trb, does run. 1608748;1485558107;mircea_popescu;sure. 1608749;1485558118;asciilifeform;fwiw i do not hold to 'trb 4evah!' 1608750;1485558131;asciilifeform;and in fact recall, i asked for trb, because i wanted The B00k 1608751;1485558187;mircea_popescu;now, this excursion in unrelated scary things complete, let's get back to it : give people the benefit of the doubt. if they fuck it up it's their problem not yours. 1608752;1485558230;asciilifeform;again, if davout breaks his trb, and signs off on a b0rk3d proggy, it does not 'pick my pocket or break my leg', mine will still work. 1608753;1485558237;asciilifeform;disagreement was wholly philosophical. 1608754;1485558242;ben_vulpes;moreover there is no harm in bringing a patch for discussion, and all of this durm and strang will discourage "patches alf doesn't like" even if just in the patcher's mind 1608755;1485558259;asciilifeform;i should hope that no one is discouraged from writing patch just because i barfed. 1608756;1485558274;asciilifeform;but forum exists partly to put on record, when we barf, why. 1608757;1485558300;asciilifeform;so that no one can later say 'oh so sad, reactor melted, but i had nfi, asciilifeform never barfed.' 1608758;1485558308;mircea_popescu;consider the fine case of mod6 's vtron since he said something. so he built a vtron, then later we decided didn't like how it works, he put the time in to understand the thing, fix it... all this happened because he made the first one ; and wouldn't have happened if we were just sitting 6months ago holding dicks and discussing it theoretically. 1608759;1485558349;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he certainly spared asciilifeform from the chore of maintaining full vtron 1608760;1485558354;asciilifeform;and i take off my hat, for this. 1608761;1485558357;mircea_popescu;it's always way the fuck better to say "i don't like what you did because" than to say "i don't like what i think it might be the case you say you intend to do because". 1608762;1485558363;asciilifeform;tru. 1608763;1485558384;mircea_popescu;there's no need for that tight coupling of intent anyway, not like we're trying to drive through an intersection here. 1608764;1485558414;asciilifeform;there is ~some~ win from ~some~ coupling, on account of the longest-chain/regrind thing 1608765;1485558417;asciilifeform;but sure. 1608766;1485558425;mircea_popescu;the regrinding is not a loss. 1608767;1485558431;mircea_popescu;i think you book it as a loss, but it is a gain. 1608768;1485558476;mircea_popescu;the more time people spend ~actually reading~ the same piece of code, the better. "i might have read it so it's as good as read" open source bs doesn't qualify here. 1608769;1485558478;*;asciilifeform can see mircea_popescu's picture 1608770;1485558544;asciilifeform;however it is not automatically given that by forcing folx to regrind, you make them attentively read 1608771;1485558557;mircea_popescu;piece of code A which has been read 8 times by 5 peoiple is thereby better, no questions, more valuable and more useful, than the SAME EXACT piece of code A read by its author alone. 1608772;1485558557;asciilifeform;it is ultimately an act of will. 1608773;1485558572;mircea_popescu;nobody's forcing anyone, they just get gently encouraged. 1608774;1485558575;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: supposing they ~read~ it, and not merely ~read enough to overcome the regrind barrier~ 1608775;1485558583;mircea_popescu;at some point the pile of chain overweighs the disinclination to read code. 1608776;1485558597;asciilifeform;fwiw i frequently curl up in bed with the thing. and read. until fall asleep. 1608777;1485558608;mircea_popescu;and then dream about reading trilema in aramaic 1608778;1485558613;asciilifeform;sometimes. 1608779;1485558629;asciilifeform;aramaic trilema is spiffy, recommended to all. 1608780;1485558644;mircea_popescu;gotta translate some pieces for us sometime :) 1608781;1485558980;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: comment answrd. 1608782;1485559109;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608327 << that's certainly a fine candidate. 1608783;1485559109;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:27 davout: the way i see things, the "fee estimation" code must die 1608784;1485559159;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-182 1608785;1485559172;ben_vulpes;aaaand we've exhausted the wp stack :D 1608786;1485559209;ben_vulpes;everything must be free, including 401k contributions BUT NOT SPEECH 1608787;1485559222;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i read the linked piece, did not see 'free' ? 1608788;1485559228;ben_vulpes;no, i kid. 1608789;1485559230;asciilifeform;chumps still gotta drop in moneys, neh 1608790;1485559234;asciilifeform;for it to fill. 1608791;1485559250;ben_vulpes;on the other hand "b-b-b-but not real retirement plan because no employer match!" 1608792;1485559250;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608353 << it'll very likely stay there forever, for the simple reason that a bitcoin miner that's proper is worth money so can't be given away for free, and if it's going to be improper then alf's 2012 argument prevails and just keep the old one. 1608793;1485559250;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:32 ben_vulpes: davout: reference miner is still in trb bin. 1608794;1485559311;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it remains every bit as chumpatronic even if employer matches 1000% 1608795;1485559329;asciilifeform;or if obummer personally fellates you every time you put a hundy in 1608796;1485559335;ben_vulpes;no argument 1608797;1485559374;mircea_popescu;ew 1608798;1485559385;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-183 << but exponded upon nevertheless 1608799;1485559388;mircea_popescu;whole family is fugly wtf. better visuals. 1608800;1485559396;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes expounded. 1608801;1485559408;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: a rare typo 1608802;1485559419;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'must bite hook, to get the free worm' ? 1608803;1485559424;ben_vulpes;you f'r instance can't seem to get colander right 1608804;1485559425;asciilifeform;i dun see this 'must'. 1608805;1485559450;ben_vulpes;if you accept the thesis, it ain't a hook it's a free meal. 1608806;1485559465;asciilifeform;but why would you accept it 1608807;1485559475;ben_vulpes;because dipshit sarariman 1608808;1485559478;asciilifeform;fish -- yes, has brain the size of your little finger nail, 1608809;1485559482;asciilifeform;accepts hook worm. 1608810;1485559485;ben_vulpes;dipshit sarariman idem. 1608811;1485559486;asciilifeform;but you are not a fish. 1608812;1485559499;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << o wow ? i thought there was a protocol for this and everything 1608813;1485559499;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:49 ben_vulpes: phf: and on this, the third consecutive day of asking, would you kindly acknowledge receipt? 1608814;1485559502;*;mircea_popescu is behind teh times 1608815;1485559523;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: make no mistakes, i bite zero hooks myself 1608816;1485559533;mircea_popescu;i thought you were married. 1608817;1485559537;ben_vulpes;oho 1608818;1485559541;ben_vulpes;hurtful 1608819;1485559547;mircea_popescu;you bit that one eh :D 1608820;1485559548;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'Colt'45 Retirement Savings Co.' ftw. 1608821;1485559558;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "sepsis and wagner" 1608822;1485559576;ben_vulpes;"being of sound mind and body, i'm spending my money as fast as i can" 1608823;1485559581;asciilifeform;i'll go with the classic cyanide&wagner, tyvm 1608824;1485559602;mircea_popescu;isn't lotta cocaine way better ? 1608825;1485559645;asciilifeform;cocacyanide!1111 'совместить приятное с полезным' 1608826;1485559657;asciilifeform;(is there engl. idiom version of that?) 1608827;1485559664;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i dun see the hook, have staff on call 24/7. no harem, granted, but "ride or die bitch" worth a million hausfraus. 1608828;1485559686;mircea_popescu;buy : 1 month rent in slum ; 1 typewriter ; 1 stack of paper ; 1 sugar bowl, fill with pure cocaine ; 1 medium dildo. 1608829;1485559696;mircea_popescu;use the dust for lube, write your life's novel / memoirs / whatever. 1608830;1485559702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: burroughs! 1608831;1485559702;mircea_popescu;should take < 1 week. 1608832;1485559707;mircea_popescu;m0ore or less ya 1608833;1485559727;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes isn't that what the fish said ? 1608834;1485559776;ben_vulpes;now, mosquito perhaps more accurate. 1608835;1485559791;ben_vulpes;gut flora maybe 1608836;1485559818;ben_vulpes;or good old fashioned frontier bride, why all the haet 1608837;1485559819;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'm not proposing your life choices are invalid. i am saying the form of the argument is broken. it's easy to pretend like you know better than fish while not being fish. in point of fact fish does as best he can 1608838;1485559832;mircea_popescu;(you're invited to go fishing, discover fish will eat your bait and not bite) 1608839;1485559854;asciilifeform;even if you only ever kept a mousetrap, you will learn this. 1608840;1485559859;mircea_popescu;did i recount the famous episode of my mother fishing btw ? 1608841;1485559868;asciilifeform;mice are astonishingly adept at 'free' cheese-getting. 1608842;1485559873;mircea_popescu;aha. 1608843;1485559914;asciilifeform;the last time i 'worked with' mice, i was quite convinced that they ~knew~ what is a mousetrap. and had 'sappers'. 1608844;1485559940;asciilifeform;rats, at the very least, ~have~ sappers. 1608845;1485559945;asciilifeform;designated expendables. 1608846;1485559987;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608394 << oh right, maybe it was then. ben_vulpes didja dig it up from log ? 1608847;1485559987;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:55 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: Framedragger oughta have same l0gz, let's ask him. 1608848;1485559994;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure he published a log backup url somewhere. 1608849;1485560005;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: perhaps under explained in "if you accept the thesis" where is entire stack of usgola. yes, 401kholder seeks to eat cheese, turn around put money into house do all the clever tricks with it. also many don't! and many like myself look at the whole thing as a stupid intellectual complexity trap not worth entertaining. 1608850;1485560030;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: keep reading 1608851;1485560036;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it is however quite true that there are very real costs to rejecting the gargle. 1608852;1485560040;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you also don't have the sort of job they do. what's office drone in heart of usg do, something TO STAND OUT ? holy shit. 1608853;1485560046;asciilifeform;for instance, as chronicled here, asciilifeform's sweat to find new flat 1608854;1485560058;asciilifeform;or how i pay 3x per square metre vs. 'mortgaged' folx 1608855;1485560059;ben_vulpes;they already wear skirts paint nails 1608856;1485560072;ben_vulpes;although i suppose enough do it that none of them risk ostracization for it now 1608857;1485560095;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i am i shit you not considering moving the brood back into the family domicile in 2019 1608858;1485560104;ben_vulpes;castle i should say 1608859;1485560106;mircea_popescu;the funny thing being that nonsense converges. "civil" and "common" law systems end up giving almost identical "solutions" to the same problems notwithstanding they start from opposite priors. similarily, life of usg mandarin is very much like life of say japanese company man. 1608860;1485560108;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i worked in the most abject imaginable usg pits, no one gave half a shit re 401k. maybe if mega-brass. 1608861;1485560115;mircea_popescu;what's derpo-san to do, turn down company flat ? 1608862;1485560155;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rd is definitionally not heart of usg. try "health and human services expert analyst" 1608863;1485560167;asciilifeform;never been one of ~those~, no. 1608864;1485560204;asciilifeform;(i was once, and i shit thee not, 'research chemist'. not because knew any chemistry, but because there was -- i shit thee not -- no box to 'tick' in the form, for 'programmer') 1608865;1485560224;asciilifeform;'lab nigger' (per al schwartz) 1608866;1485560253;mircea_popescu;most chemists active in research today would greatly benefit from having half of brain cut out replaced with programmer. 1608867;1485560259;mircea_popescu;their fucking problems are "how to put this into excel" 1608868;1485560267;mircea_popescu;"why the fuck" "because i need to add the cells" 1608869;1485560275;asciilifeform;this was monumentally true. 1608870;1485560282;asciilifeform;right in front of my eyes, yes, every day. 1608871;1485560301;mircea_popescu;send them all back to fucking school, 90% of their time ends up spent doing insane chewing gum and spittle equivalent of unix pipes. 1608872;1485560308;asciilifeform;it was in fact what i did there, fill in this strange hole . 1608873;1485560338;mircea_popescu;and most research anything have the numeracy of a stripper. 1608874;1485560363;asciilifeform;eh these were foreign folx, they learned to arithmetize in school, beaten with bamboo. 1608875;1485560372;asciilifeform;~0 usa-born anybody. 1608876;1485560373;mircea_popescu;no fucking concept of analysis, i'm not discussing hyperpeels or any nuttery, just merely the concept of hey, if it's a function i can derive it, find the inflections, DRAW IT. yes with the fucking draughtsman kit. 1608877;1485560384;mircea_popescu;no serious familiarity with statistics, nothing even remotely useful. 1608878;1485560387;mircea_popescu;and they stink of it, too. 1608879;1485560416;asciilifeform;maybe over in the 'social sciences' hole, this was. 1608880;1485560430;asciilifeform;in my hole, statistize was ~all ~anybody did. 1608881;1485560445;mircea_popescu;yes, as a follow the motions thing. 1608882;1485560449;asciilifeform;and ~occasionally~ poison a rat. 1608883;1485560481;mircea_popescu;no ~serious familiarity~. just the average came-with-apartment bipedal cat's "hey, open fridge door, take out food it's how food works" 1608884;1485560493;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unfortunately meatware research ~selects~ for 'follow the motion' types. 'tis why i got out. 1608885;1485560521;mircea_popescu;yes well. by the time "scientist" is unable to ~comprehend~ what the fuck the numbers say about his data, i don't care what fucking calisthenics he does. 1608886;1485560525;asciilifeform;other types of people -- they burn, there, quickly. 1608887;1485560527;asciilifeform;die, of boredom. 1608888;1485560530;mircea_popescu;if i wanted to arab i'd be in cairo, they have fine mosqs. 1608889;1485560576;mircea_popescu;it's fucking annoying, too, "dude, whenever you increase your dataset your correlation goes down" "so should pick better data, right ?" 1608890;1485560586;mircea_popescu;yea einstein, you got yourself a nobel prize in global warming in the making there. 1608891;1485560623;asciilifeform;did they throw the warmists from strawberry trees yet ? 1608892;1485560628;asciilifeform;or is that still coming up 1608893;1485560649;ben_vulpes;epa is the latest word 1608894;1485560653;mircea_popescu;lol 1608895;1485560694;ben_vulpes;aca on the chopping block 1608896;1485560702;ben_vulpes;looking forward to the amd hike 1608897;1485560705;asciilifeform;nasa when. 1608898;1485560710;ben_vulpes;nasa now, fuck'em 1608899;1485560720;mircea_popescu;i thought bahamas did nasa 1608900;1485560728;mircea_popescu;they insulted his ancestors or something, i dun recall. 1608901;1485560729;ben_vulpes;quite dead serious. nasa is a zombie. 1608902;1485560738;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he cut the rockets'n'probes nasa, but fattened the warmist one 1608903;1485560746;mircea_popescu;that was a nasa ? 1608904;1485560751;asciilifeform;it is nao. 1608905;1485560752;mircea_popescu;no such nasa. 1608906;1485560756;asciilifeform;lel 1608907;1485560769;ben_vulpes;no such nasa makes sugar rockets that launch sideways 1608908;1485560778;asciilifeform;but yes, check out what gets printed under nasa banner, be amazed. 1608909;1485560779;mircea_popescu;*snoooorrrrt* 1608910;1485560831;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608439 << you will notice trilema doesn't use these. this because i think they're idiotic. 1608911;1485560831;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 20:12 ben_vulpes: except of course threaded comments, and this and that and the other thing. 1608912;1485560848;ben_vulpes;i did note. care to expunge? 1608913;1485560881;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608443 << we don't ? when did this unhappen ? 1608914;1485560881;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 20:16 Framedragger: i'm still preferring http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503181 but granted, don't have a working "moderated but without captcha" comments solution. best i can think of is, write very light backend service to handle comment post requests, store them somewhere sensible, allow operator to accept/deny comments (could be flat text files) 1608915;1485560908;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes. you are asking yourself to come up with a number which will be larger than the largest number of nested comments people may wish to make. if you're going to think like this might as well become a c++ specialist. 1608916;1485560918;mircea_popescu;"if i allocate what i think it should be the program crashes" 1608917;1485560926;asciilifeform;ftr ~already~ i cannot 'reply to' ben_vulpes's last comment. 1608918;1485560930;asciilifeform;apparently max depth was... 3? 1608919;1485560933;ben_vulpes;six 1608920;1485560941;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which is the problem. if it's gonna happen at all, then why not have it happen right off. 1608921;1485560945;asciilifeform;aha! 1608922;1485560954;asciilifeform;less fortranism plox. 1608923;1485560958;asciilifeform;not moar. 1608924;1485560976;ben_vulpes;what means fortranism in this context? 1608925;1485560992;mircea_popescu;he didn't want to say naggum-c because i said it already. 1608926;1485560993;asciilifeform;(or perhaps let's call it PL/Ism. 'you may have 250 functions. and recurse 7 deep.' etc) 1608927;1485560995;ben_vulpes;> "is renewable energy news at risk of becoming clickbait" bwaha 1608928;1485561021;mircea_popescu;yeah, and derpy "liberal" chicks who don't know how to dress or be useful in the house are in danger of becoming sought after. 1608929;1485561029;mircea_popescu;hurr durr news by fatties for fatties. 1608930;1485561033;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in barbaric times, folx often used fixed tables where expandable data structure would go today. 1608931;1485561036;ben_vulpes;yaok i get it. wp nesting limit even existing boggles my mind 1608932;1485561055;ben_vulpes;threaded replies is new to php devs? have never been on mailing lists? 1608933;1485561058;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it can't not exist because monitor is finite and it stupidly decided to nest by magic number allignment. 1608934;1485561061;mircea_popescu;this is not sustainabler. 1608935;1485561085;ben_vulpes;sutainabilitits 1608936;1485561100;mircea_popescu;so if "nested = 12 pixels" then you get a limit of 100 or so. 1608937;1485561109;mircea_popescu;"but what is monitor size ?" "dunno, best add a js lib" 1608938;1485561149;ben_vulpes;i am offended at the inadequacy of everything in this world 1608939;1485561151;mircea_popescu;if computers-were-magic(tm) then the thing would produce a virtual infinite space and the viewport would be dragged around across it, so you could follow diagonally 1608940;1485561159;mircea_popescu;this needless to say isn't how web works. 1608941;1485561189;ben_vulpes;the only thing that even halfway works is cunt. 1608942;1485561196;mircea_popescu;because it runs on perl. 1608943;1485561224;ben_vulpes;"ben_vulpes in for the layup, mircea_popescu with the duuuuuunk!" 1608944;1485561243;mircea_popescu;layup eh ? 1608945;1485561260;mircea_popescu;get up an' down an' layup all' around, move your ass to the left move your ass to the right... 1608946;1485561262;*;mircea_popescu sings 1608947;1485561266;ben_vulpes;isn't that what you call that thing in basketball where one dood drives in and puts the ball up for someone else to net? 1608948;1485561271;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: probably knows 1608949;1485561275;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i'm not black. 1608950;1485561285;ben_vulpes;or did he grow up on comics and not spoarts 1608951;1485561287;mircea_popescu;shit gotta type faster. 1608952;1485561342;ben_vulpes;i would say "fight me irl" but you're the one #t denizen i don't think i'd have reasonable odds against 1608953;1485561400;ben_vulpes;entirely unrelatedly, ms beat the street 1608954;1485561411;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608467 << lmao this feels like the early 80s all over again. "and which keys don't work on your kv-1, private stan ?" 1608955;1485561411;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 21:09 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pgup/pgdown work on the box i have here 1608956;1485561423;ben_vulpes;looks like apple's in for another lost decade 1608957;1485561425;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wait why ? i don't even lift! 1608958;1485561432;ben_vulpes;bro! 1608959;1485561435;ben_vulpes;bro!! 1608960;1485561457;ben_vulpes;you're absurdly tall and made out like a bandit in post-ussr ro 1608961;1485561459;ben_vulpes;that is worrisome 1608962;1485561481;mircea_popescu;drives teh wyminz nuts also, they work out till they drop, i never do, then i can you know, lift one in one arm and for some incomprehensible reason i got biceps the thickenss of their thighs. "BRO!!!" "hey, i got testosterone, it's great." 1608963;1485561505;ben_vulpes;i only recently realized that i needed to be doing the heavy lifting on family outings 1608964;1485561518;mircea_popescu;easier time parking ? 1608965;1485561541;ben_vulpes;yeah let me just *oof* move this *hrunph* truck over *hurk* here baby 1608966;1485561616;mircea_popescu;next you turn green... 1608967;1485561678;ben_vulpes;nah, but carrying 27+lbs of kid plus groceries while i stare at the sky and contemplate nozzles that impart rotational inertia to the flugenbody is not time efficient; i can just as easily design while hefting bairns 1608968;1485561692;ben_vulpes;no need to impose all of the load on others 1608969;1485561732;mircea_popescu;or you could add pedals to your desk and produce your own electricity. 1608970;1485561743;ben_vulpes;electricity is an antipattern 1608971;1485561752;mircea_popescu;ok, olive oil then. 1608972;1485561764;ben_vulpes;eh just make more babies 1608973;1485561771;ben_vulpes;reduce excess baby into biodiesel 1608974;1485561797;mircea_popescu;https://reuelbrion.github.io/AgroTempus/ << from guy on trilema. 1608975;1485561813;mircea_popescu;working towards the ultimate tmsr goal. ben_vulpes does the miners, we got an autonomous noncorporeal state going 1608976;1485561831;BingoBoingo; (you're invited to go fishing, discover fish will eat your bait and not bite) << AHA, this is where most bait goes. 1608977;1485561940;ben_vulpes;first 1608978;1485561943;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-27/u-s-economic-growth-cools-on-biggest-trade-drag-since-2010 1608979;1485562014;mircea_popescu;lol 1.9% blow me down. 1608980;1485562067;mircea_popescu;o look, trade deficit widening. 1608981;1485562076;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to see what trump does re that only really important point. 1608982;1485562195;ben_vulpes;later y'all 1608983;1485562251;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> Browser shots Sorry service is down for maintanence << dude they're not even trying anymore, the web's deader than shannen doherty's career << haha 1608984;1485562397;mod6;<+asciilifeform> (i am speaking strictly of provably-unreachable routines. there are others that could be snipped, with some work, without affecting semantics) << indeed. i have collected some of these myself. 1608985;1485562428;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone here who hasn't played knight;s bounty (the legend) ? 1608986;1485562430;mircea_popescu;game's fucking epic. 1608987;1485563056;BingoBoingo; if computers-were-magic(tm) then the thing would produce a virtual infinite space and the viewport would be dragged around across it, so you could follow diagonally << This is where Qntra CSS is masterpiece! 1608988;1485563309;*;BingoBoingo has not played 1608989;1485563316;mircea_popescu;for srs 1608990;1485563384;BingoBoingo;much srs 1608991;1485565046;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> isn't that what you call that thing in basketball where one dood drives in and puts the ball up for someone else to net? << this is an alley-oop 1608992;1485565402;trinque;layup's a finger roll around the side of the basket, horizontal spin on ball so it rolls along backboard and in 1608993;1485565536;trinque;more of a bank than roll along, but yeah 1608994;1485565926;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CFAA83DBA61419976C5A7EB332195CB3BB611760917DF59CE06273B247798B6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.205 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1608995;1485565926;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEF1C6C9A890941640110AD479AFDEDCC6132445EEFB2D1F31C1D58AFF1DC4F4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.9 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX JAL) 1608996;1485565926;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A35236F137FD211F772259BD5287EDE9AA09CD8A275F881C74BD97AB8BD0545 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.3.189 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.3.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1608997;1485565926;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D21502DDC614160506D49019E3A101B1D769C3A49597CAB4B67CBBC0EF4E7592 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.5 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1608998;1485565926;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CFAA83DBA61419976C5A7EB332195CB3BB611760917DF59CE06273B247798B6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1054...6417 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.205 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown MX CHH) 1608999;1485567096;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE) 1609000;1485567097;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1413...3643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE) 1609001;1485567378;mod6;megal0g today, and yesterday. nice. 1609002;1485567697;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE) 1609003;1485567697;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAE0707E17D6FC42F61F64831A1D0579383302AD965D59BC4A2C82CD7020B595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.191.238.241 (ssh-rsa key from 41.191.238.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZW) 1609004;1485567697;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAE0707E17D6FC42F61F64831A1D0579383302AD965D59BC4A2C82CD7020B595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1571...4477 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.191.238.241 (ssh-rsa key from 41.191.238.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZW) 1609005;1485567730;mircea_popescu;lol poor phuctor been bottling in the rage all day, now it's quiet can let loose 1609006;1485568568;mod6;haha 1609007;1485572269;asciilifeform;lol zimbabwe 1609008;1485572305;asciilifeform;first time i ~ever~ see a .zw 1609009;1485572363;asciilifeform;tcp over dead monkey? 1609010;1485572899;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608962 << dun fuck anything you can't lift, aha 1609011;1485572899;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 23:58 mircea_popescu: drives teh wyminz nuts also, they work out till they drop, i never do, then i can you know, lift one in one arm and for some incomprehensible reason i got biceps the thickenss of their thighs. "BRO!!!" "hey, i got testosterone, it's great." 1609012;1485572919;asciilifeform;( and i didn't even crib this maxim from BingoBoingo's links. it seems elementary. ) 1609013;1485573862;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608577 << here's one crackpot method: implement 'gravitation'. analogously to physical one. i.e. an agglomeration of coin is worth ~more~ than selfsame coin in fragged form. quantifiably, in some straightforward way. 1609014;1485573862;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 21:56 mircea_popescu: davout the thing that SHOULD be done about it is make it work in such a way it doesn't choke in its own fumes. not that i know how to do that. 1609015;1485573863;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1609016;1485573902;asciilifeform;think 'earth can hold an atmosphere, but asteroid cannot'. same idea. 1609017;1485573959;asciilifeform;frag-entropy, like other systemic problems with traditional bitcoin, is simply a result of misaligned incentives. 1609018;1485573984;asciilifeform;(as in the node-miner conflict, described by mircea_popescu , for instance) 1609019;1485574022;asciilifeform;presently fraggers do not pay the cost of fragging, it is strictly 'ecological', and externalized to future users. 1609020;1485574025;asciilifeform;make'em pay. 1609021;1485574041;asciilifeform;and likewise incentivize defrag. 1609022;1485574042;mircea_popescu;eh. 1609023;1485574079;asciilifeform;consider mircea_popescu's piece where 'most folx outside of usa will make you pay extra for not paying in benjie-usd' 1609024;1485574084;asciilifeform;wanna pay in pennies? pay moar. 1609025;1485574125;mircea_popescu;look, the problem is that as the empire grows, the army food supply goes from bushels to millions of bushels. "restrict legionnaire rations" is not a solution. 1609026;1485574181;asciilifeform;bitcoin as known today won't work on galactic scale, tho 1609027;1485574187;asciilifeform;lamportian problems with clock. 1609028;1485574196;asciilifeform;so we will not have this problem. 1609029;1485574248;asciilifeform;even earth-mars is a serious stretch, for this reason. 1609030;1485574360;asciilifeform;as for 'growth', i have extreme difficulty picturing the number of users of bitcoin who have by any conceivable stretch of the imagination ~actual business using it~ going up, rather than down 1609031;1485574381;mircea_popescu;why ? the whole point of life is to make less idiots. 1609032;1485574399;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow we conquer the us and put it through the grinder, that'll result in 297mn bodies, yes 1609033;1485574399;asciilifeform;nobody's making moar bitcoinatronic comps. 1609034;1485574402;mircea_popescu;but also in 3mn sane people. 1609035;1485574408;mircea_popescu;well... that's ~3mn more 1609036;1485574429;asciilifeform;there are not 3mn gold vaults. 1609037;1485574435;asciilifeform;today, or 100y ago 1609038;1485574471;asciilifeform;can mircea_popescu picture a planet3 with 3mn gold vaults (not pirate chest, either, but the kind with xray rig, defensive turrets, tank division) ? 1609039;1485574493;mircea_popescu;not sure these picturings are useful. 1609040;1485574591;asciilifeform;i see btc as 'strategic' machine, closer to tonnes-of-au, or hydrogen bomb, or icbm sub, than to something 'to buy coffee with'. 1609041;1485574609;mircea_popescu;that part's not in dispute. 1609042;1485574619;asciilifeform;then from whence 'growth' ? 1609043;1485574624;asciilifeform;3mn hbomb owners when ? 1609044;1485574652;mircea_popescu;mmm. deglobalization necessarily means more sane people. 1609045;1485574684;asciilifeform;quite likely. but i dare say, they will for the most part be sane in a non-btc-directed way. 1609046;1485574689;asciilifeform;camel instead of mercedes. 1609047;1485574698;asciilifeform;(~sane~ camelsmanship.) 1609048;1485574705;mircea_popescu;now how would you know this ? 1609049;1485574720;asciilifeform;i don't, my oracular ball broke, i dropped it on cement. 1609050;1485574754;asciilifeform;but facts such as 'no one is making more Actual Computer nor is anyone likely to in next century' add up to this picture imho. 1609051;1485574779;asciilifeform;('bitcoin' on winblowz-crapple is not bitcoin, but a masochistic and wasteful paypal) 1609052;1485574800;mircea_popescu;well, oft repeated alfisms aren't thereby facts. 1609053;1485574827;asciilifeform;want to dispute the hypothesis as stated ? 1609054;1485574833;asciilifeform;beyond 'not necessarily fact' 1609055;1485574841;mircea_popescu;hypothesis IS NOT A FACT. 1609056;1485574882;asciilifeform;'bitcoin on fritz-chipped box is a paypal' is a physical fact. 1609057;1485574897;asciilifeform;to arbitrary precision. 1609058;1485575120;asciilifeform;to briefly revisit upstack, NOTHING will scale in this mythical 'i want INFINITE parts in close communion' sense. even having too many atoms in one place, 'won't scale', you get neutron star. 1609059;1485575150;mircea_popescu;aha. 1609060;1485575154;asciilifeform;there was a thread where 'there will be S souls on planet an' no moar' 1609061;1485575160;asciilifeform;Or Else 1609062;1485575179;mircea_popescu;hopefully there's such a limit naturally. 1609063;1485575194;asciilifeform;imho one of the appeals of bitcoin is that it in fact makes this limit explicit. 1609064;1485575202;asciilifeform;shows where the ceiling is. 1609065;1485575226;asciilifeform;instead of leaving it as something for people to discover when it is too late and they are already packed like sardines. 1609066;1485575249;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1609067;1485575337;asciilifeform;so in my eye 'stop it from choking on own exhaust fume' is quite != from 'scale FOREVAH' 1609068;1485575356;asciilifeform;and the former is 100% about incentives. 1609069;1485575362;asciilifeform;the latter -- is a bad dream. 1609070;1485575409;mircea_popescu;conversely, the proposition that "the sum total of people that could possibly be worth knowing is equal my dunbar number" smacks a little of panglossism 1609071;1485575431;asciilifeform;the number is unknowable and i will not pretend to know it or estimate it. 1609072;1485575434;asciilifeform;but it is FINITE. 1609073;1485575447;asciilifeform;because the alternative is lunacy. 1609074;1485575458;mircea_popescu;well... 1609075;1485575478;mircea_popescu;the above was also finite : 2.1 quintillion. 1609076;1485575556;asciilifeform;as alluded to earlier, speed of light forces you to have localized bitcoin nets. can easily make'em hierarchical. 1609077;1485575567;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu an' the other immortals, could have their galactic coin. 1609078;1485575576;asciilifeform;it wouldn't work quite like today's bitcoin, tho. 1609079;1485575603;asciilifeform;and would still necessarily remain finite machine. 1609080;1485575631;asciilifeform;and if universe expands and you gotta grow it -- you grow it at the tendrils (leaves) 1609081;1485575635;*;asciilifeform brb, meat. 1609082;1485578750;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes your logtron drops last line..? bug? 1609083;1485578750;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1609084;1485578787;asciilifeform;or nm, just drops 'actions' 1609085;1485578912;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608389 << not anymore http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534769 1609086;1485578912;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:52 ben_vulpes: unless i misremember, the man is in the habit of at least mentioning prolonged absences. 1609087;1485578912;a111;Logged on 2016-09-05 21:19 deedbot: diana_coman rated phf 2 << Only known fault so far is making public the day he leaves for vacations. 1609088;1485579156;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1609089;1485579163;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 920.05, vol: 4322.84020147 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 908.295, vol: 3526.56063 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 918.37, vol: 8571.18061411 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 926.199454, vol: 5549.76380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 920.0, vol: 1236.06537967 | Volume-weighted last average: 919.111117634 1609090;1485579342;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << this is the official acknowledgement of the receipt. likewise i saw it the first two times you posted it, but didn't realize that writing the nth copy of the logreader that you embarked on is a high priority republic business. seriously, what's with the attitude? 1609091;1485579342;a111;Logged on 2017-01-27 19:49 ben_vulpes: phf: and on this, the third consecutive day of asking, would you kindly acknowledge receipt? 1609092;1485579498;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=334 1609093;1485579562;BingoBoingo;^ Lafond reminisces about youth 1609094;1485579682;BingoBoingo;"I had seen the moonwalk [not the pedophilic stage dance, but the actual walk on the Moon that orbits Planet Earth] recently and therefore believed in what was essentially magic." 1609095;1485579795;asciilifeform;wb phf 1609096;1485579958;phf;ty 1609097;1485580181;ben_vulpes;it's not, sorry 1609098;1485581332;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yes, drops action 1609099;1485581514;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6392 1609100;1485582667;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/sN4iG and another https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16195583_1545329468840698_6964324230302921332_n.jpg?oh=8940116e09d581e2d424d1270ffb44d2&oe=5919C78A 1609101;1485612401;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1Rjr 1609102;1485612401;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1609103;1485615611;mircea_popescu;and in other cat news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/de8a7547919242e2328cd231505cdf09/tumblr_oadgv5lqeY1s02vreo1_500.gif 1609104;1485615823;mircea_popescu;and in other non-rape things, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e93b99e7d7bfd4fbe2a1d9b77d545f44/tumblr_okct3g6WVD1vfg3jto1_1280.jpg 1609105;1485621957;mircea_popescu;!!up Reuel 1609106;1485621957;deedbot;Reuel voiced for 30 minutes. 1609107;1485621981;Reuel;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/TNoAl/?raw=true 1609108;1485621985;Reuel;is the game idea 1609109;1485622014;Reuel;where do I find more about your Eulora suggestion? 1609110;1485622053;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1609111;1485622107;Reuel;you suggested the Eulora text mode conversion, could you tell more about it 1609112;1485622163;mircea_popescu;Reuel your description is badly phrased. for instance in the first paragraph : i encounter the symbol "the best outcome for their nation", but it's not defined nor obviously supported by the introduction. leaving aside that going from "x is defined" to "x is measurable in an algebraic group which permits ordering" which is what "best" implies -- your perspective is globalist and there's no fundamental solution for a national 1609113;1485622163;mircea_popescu;perspective in that context. 1609114;1485622200;mircea_popescu;to put it bluntly it's either that "people vote" or that "their nation". denied middle between these. 1609115;1485622265;Reuel;yeah the introduction can be ignored, this was a work in progress which should become the manual 1609116;1485622294;Reuel;That was more meant to set the tone, and the target audience would be people who vote irl 1609117;1485622304;mircea_popescu;mkay lessee. 1609118;1485622355;Reuel;I hope you can grasp the game cycle from this 1609119;1485622358;mircea_popescu;A job influences what salary a player receives << where's the salary come from ? 1609120;1485622431;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0B59B054AFCC24BEC878469289B2851D3BD422E6529BDCE3A552FD6FCDC1BC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1371...1903 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.233.48.105 (ssh-rsa key from 210.233.48.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown JP) 1609121;1485622431;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0B59B054AFCC24BEC878469289B2851D3BD422E6529BDCE3A552FD6FCDC1BC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1660...8023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.233.48.105 (ssh-rsa key from 210.233.48.105 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown JP) 1609122;1485622543;Reuel;payout at the start of the turn 1609123;1485622554;mircea_popescu;but ~where~ does it come from ? 1609124;1485622593;Reuel;socialist magic :) 1609125;1485622603;mircea_popescu;you don't grasp the problem with this. 1609126;1485622623;mircea_popescu;consider all the rest of your magic numbers. where does the one in "they can veto the outcome of one national ballot per round." come from ? 1609127;1485622636;mircea_popescu;why is it not 0.984 or 1.1022 ? how do you knwo it isn't ? 1609128;1485622659;Reuel;it;s a in game resource, like ehm... mana? where does it come from 1609129;1485622680;mircea_popescu;"it's a supermarket item like frozen chickens, where do those come from" 1609130;1485622703;mircea_popescu;just because a bunch of irrelevant games are utterly broken means jack. a) eulora isn't broken and will kill them ; and b) nobody wants to play them anyway 1609131;1485622711;mircea_popescu;which is why and how they ended up the equivalent of stripper joints. 1609132;1485622724;Reuel;hmm 1609133;1485622727;diana_coman;Reuel, I suggest you read & a play eulora for a while - it will help you with this 1609134;1485622769;Reuel;I did, and I get the idea, but this is way smaller in scope 1609135;1485622792;Reuel;well youll probably tell me i dont get the idea 1609136;1485622820;diana_coman;what idea do you say you get? (it seems quite likely you did not get it: scope has nothing to do with it) 1609137;1485622831;mircea_popescu;what does size have to do with whether something works or doesn't ? a broken engine is broken at any scale. 1609138;1485622831;Reuel;that nothing in the game is free 1609139;1485622846;mircea_popescu;not exactly. the point is that ~everything's balanced~. 1609140;1485622854;mircea_popescu;salaries come from a social negotiation, not from the fucking white house. 1609141;1485622867;mircea_popescu;when they do come from the central planning committee the country's broken, and collapsing. 1609142;1485622925;Reuel;Yes I agree, irl, but this would be a small time waster, are you saying that any game that gives you "free" resources is bad? 1609143;1485622926;diana_coman;fwiw it sounds to me that Reuel precisely wants to implement the planning committee possibly as a fantasy where he thinks he can *make* it work 1609144;1485622938;Reuel;lol no, but close 1609145;1485622946;Reuel;I hoped to see it crash and burn 1609146;1485622951;Reuel;haha 1609147;1485622953;mircea_popescu;well, i dunno, this may be something you might enjoy but i have no advice about 1609148;1485622959;mircea_popescu;not something i engage in / think about. 1609149;1485622989;diana_coman;Reuel, unbalanced means broken; do you mean you want to implement something broken on purpose to then see then that it...breaks? 1609150;1485623045;Reuel;I would say the meat of the game is in the intrigue around selecting laws that benefit groups or individuals 1609151;1485623060;Reuel;the salaries. locations, jobs, are more of a setting 1609152;1485623062;mircea_popescu;that usually works when there's a solid underlying reality. 1609153;1485623120;Reuel;my idea was more in the sense that, democracy leads to corruption and gaming the system 1609154;1485623144;mircea_popescu;yes but you need some sort of bounds for this to ripple back. otherwise it's just a free expanding system 1609155;1485623165;mircea_popescu;tomorrow i vote to give myself more salary than your platform can support. i mean this literally, 1024! shall be my salary. what then ? 1609156;1485623207;Reuel;well salries are set at the start, there is a national budget which is divided over all players, but certain laws can change the balance 1609157;1485623213;mircea_popescu;"oh you won't be allowed to do that ?" "why not ?" "Ad hoc!" "congrats, you exported the job of designing your game to an os which was not designed to do this" 1609158;1485623268;Reuel;but to get others to vote for laws that increase your groups salariy, you will probably have to either give something else up or promise to 1609159;1485623283;mircea_popescu;how's "let's fuck the gameserver" as a promise ? 1609160;1485623292;Reuel;good point 1609161;1485623312;mircea_popescu;meta will kill you every time BECAUSE if your design is uncompelling people will btod. 1609162;1485623313;diana_coman;Reuel, let me see if I get this straight: you want to implement a "small" scale model of democracy in order to test whether it works; at the same time, you propose to implement it on a model of reality that is purposefully broken because..."scope is too small for it to matter"? 1609163;1485623381;Reuel;hmm, the model might be totally of but the reality of human interaction and bargaining is present, and grouping, deals, promises 1609164;1485623392;Reuel;but yeah 1609165;1485623406;diana_coman;ugh, and you don't see any problem with that? 1609166;1485623460;Reuel;I see the concern, yeah 1609167;1485623536;Reuel;However I do think it would be a game people would enjoy, maybe not bitcoin people though :) 1609168;1485623645;Reuel;I agree the money coming in is like magic, it mirrors gibmedats a bit actually, lol 1609169;1485623654;Reuel;Going to think on this 1609170;1485623675;diana_coman;there will be some people who enjoy X for any X really, not sure what does that do 1609171;1485623722;diana_coman;as to the trouble there: it's more than a concern - it invalidates your "test" 1609172;1485623754;Reuel;In the end art is to make people feel, some art makes sophisticated people feel sophisticated things, some art makes simple people feel simple things, and I guess as a starting artist, Im not that picky yet 1609173;1485623763;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/zcVbY 1609174;1485623778;Reuel;The democracy thing is not the main goal, just a funny side thought 1609175;1485623787;mircea_popescu;!!up Reuel 1609176;1485623787;deedbot;Reuel voiced for 30 minutes. 1609177;1485623792;mircea_popescu;get your pgp key registered 1609178;1485623797;Reuel;yeah I will 1609179;1485623805;Reuel;going to cook 1609180;1485623809;Reuel;thanks for the feedback 1609181;1485625972;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D6A34EB13C1B4D0AF4824E1F1D336C0690F0D9AF5B060E80C6620F506DFCF2E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1507...4297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.22.15.251 (ssh-rsa key from 201.22.15.251 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (201.22.15.251.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br. BR PR) 1609182;1485625972;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D6A34EB13C1B4D0AF4824E1F1D336C0690F0D9AF5B060E80C6620F506DFCF2E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1789...8077 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.22.15.251 (ssh-rsa key from 201.22.15.251 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (201.22.15.251.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br. BR PR) 1609183;1485630697;asciilifeform;in yet-other recent hannobocks, http://archive.is/wqu4J >> 'A coalition of some of the globe’s top researchers and cryptographers are pleading with The Guardian to retract a story it published last week in which it suggested the encrypted messaging app WhatsApp contained a backdoor.' 1609184;1485630702;asciilifeform;coalition! 1609185;1485630702;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1609186;1485630716;asciilifeform;refuted! 1609187;1485630756;asciilifeform;and of course closed-source-remotely-updated-turd-on-closed-remotely-updated-os-sitting-on-usg.ssl-pki is not 'backdoor', didjaknow also. 1609188;1485630833;asciilifeform;'“The behavior described in your article is not a backdoor in WhatsApp. This is the overwhelming consensus of the cryptography and security community. It is also the collective opinion of the cryptography professionals whose names appear below. The behavior you highlight is a measured tradeoff that poses a remote threat in return for real benefits that help keep users secure…” the letter 1609189;1485630839;asciilifeform;reads.' 1609190;1485630878;asciilifeform;'A long – and growing – list of respected cryptographers, including Matthew D. Green, a professor at Johns Hopkins University, Bruce Schneier, a fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University, and Matt Blaze, a professor ....' 1609191;1485631172;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what ? consensus ? 1609192;1485631185;asciilifeform;aha! konsensoooos!! 1609193;1485631194;mircea_popescu;well, they're helpfully writing their names down, can't hurt/ 1609194;1485631200;asciilifeform;moar names inside. 1609195;1485631236;asciilifeform;and all of them incidentally part of ye olde rogue's gallery of 'security community' 1609196;1485631240;mircea_popescu;aha 1609197;1485631247;asciilifeform;unfailingly appear every time. 1609198;1485631410;mircea_popescu;respected by who the fuck anyway. 1609199;1485631430;mircea_popescu;"respected" "trusted". why ? "because we say so" "but you only say so so as to have said so" "exactly" 1609200;1485631844;asciilifeform;in related lelz, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aDb8c/?raw=true >> d00d who kept massive shed stuffed full of s33kr1tz while working in nsa for 20y denied bail 1609201;1485631858;asciilifeform;some comedic arguments on both sides of the court 1609202;1485631882;mircea_popescu;dun tell me he's an imminent danger 1609203;1485631929;asciilifeform;'flight risk' 1609204;1485631959;asciilifeform;and 'could have hidden goodz somewhere' 1609205;1485631986;mircea_popescu;heh 1609206;1485632091;asciilifeform;'So, when Mr. Wyda noted that the Court has already ruled, I'm ruling in accordance with the Bail Reform Act and the fact that the Government has not indicted under more serious offenses. So I am limited by what I can make a determination, and here, I'm limited on the issue of risk of flight. I've listened to both sides carefully, and I think that Mr. Wyda has made some very persuasive arguments. 1609207;1485632097;asciilifeform;No investigation is perfect, and no seizure of evidence is perfect, and there is always this feeling on the Government's side of maybe they've missed something, or maybe they haven't 1609208;1485632101;asciilifeform;gotten all of the information. 1609209;1485632103;asciilifeform;' 1609210;1485632121;mircea_popescu;this is going to be so painful on internal review 1609211;1485632127;asciilifeform;how is it that anyone gets 'bail' in usa again..? ain't there ~always~ 'maybe they haven't gotten everything' ? 1609212;1485632147;mircea_popescu;i don't think bail is intended to exist anymore. 1609213;1485632184;asciilifeform;btw in case anyone forgot: the d00d was arrested right after the rootkit leak. quite likely brass knew about his shed for years, and finally needed scapegoat, and flushed him. 1609214;1485632187;mircea_popescu;the "holds in pocket keys to own cell" doctrine (that, if you recall, superseded habeas corpus in the us "legal" system) has meanwhile pushed through and it's "plea bargain!" 1609215;1485632211;asciilifeform;torquemada alive an' well in usa, aha. 1609216;1485632448;asciilifeform;'...the nature and seriousness of the danger to any person in the community that will be posed by the release, it's clear that the Government sort of paints the Defendant as a walking encyclopedia of classified information. I don't know if that's completely correct, but I do know that he had access to all of this information, and I credit him, and I certainly am glad we're not sitting here talking 1609217;1485632454;asciilifeform;about dissemination of information to foreign powers. But, at the same time, he is a serious risk to the public.' 1609218;1485632457;asciilifeform;risk to the public! didjaknow. 1609219;1485632467;mircea_popescu;how exactly 1609220;1485632483;mircea_popescu;this bizarre nonsense where it's enough to state something 1609221;1485632498;mircea_popescu;what is this, an ivy league "college" ? 1609222;1485632509;asciilifeform;it's a usg court. 1609223;1485632518;asciilifeform;all entirely same thing. 1609224;1485632537;asciilifeform;and 'ivy league college' is where they make the freislers for said courts. 1609225;1485632565;mircea_popescu;pretty sad display in any case. 1609226;1485632646;asciilifeform;btw it'll be a lulzfest if one of these 'shed hoarders' turns out to have deadman switch. 1609227;1485632794;asciilifeform;(prosecution) '...if he ends up in the hands of foreign powers, whether or not it's with his consent, an ankle monitor is not going to prevent him from going down the road and ending up in territory that we can't recover him from.' 1609228;1485632811;asciilifeform;then defense : (approx) 'this applies to everyone in this court room who saw the evidence' 1609229;1485632824;asciilifeform;judge (approx) 'but this man is lawbreaker and we are not' 1609230;1485632892;mircea_popescu;awww, there's territory outside of the territory ? 1609231;1485632897;mircea_popescu;i never knew. 1609232;1485633024;asciilifeform;only exists for this purpose. 1609233;1485633066;asciilifeform;(and certainly not for, e.g., 'oh we won't send cut-throats to nail or kidnap undesirables there') 1609234;1485633084;mircea_popescu;so then the tax is not a tax eh ? 1609235;1485633116;mircea_popescu;riveting. 1609236;1485633380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall a d00d called vasili mitrokhin ? 1609237;1485633419;asciilifeform;lead archivist of 1st directorate of kgb. also made a shed full of goodies. but in his case, the shed made it through the border, with usg help. 1609238;1485633434;asciilifeform;he got a pension out of it from the reich. 1609239;1485633444;mircea_popescu;vaguely 1609240;1485633456;asciilifeform;lives in, iirc, england, writes trashy pulp b00kz. 1609241;1485633575;asciilifeform;the 1 publicly known 'juicy' tidbit therein was that it contained coordinates for a number of 'buried treasure' arms chests. 1609242;1485633584;asciilifeform;(incl. in usa.) 1609243;1485633591;asciilifeform;plus the usual lists of stoolies. 1609244;1485633664;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone seriously believes this dude's stuff is not already held by everyone interested in triplicate. 1609245;1485633830;asciilifeform;there are always fresh 'whom to shoot' lists. but not at the bottom of dusty 20 yrs. of shed. 1609246;1485636144;mircea_popescu;!!up Reuel 1609247;1485636145;deedbot;Reuel voiced for 30 minutes. 1609248;1485636717;Reuel;!register 4E7B B257 827A 825B A79D 6602 796C D488 28DD 895A 1609249;1485636945;ben_vulpes;Reuel: http://deedbot.org/help.html 1609250;1485636955;Reuel;yeah :) thx 1609251;1485636959;ben_vulpes;it's !!register 1609252;1485637105;Reuel;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/AhwZB/?raw=true 1609253;1485637108;deedbot;4E7BB257827A825BA79D6602796CD48828DD895A registered as Reuel. 1609254;1485637126;Reuel;!!down 1609255;1485637825;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/us-activist-news-aggregator-begins-celebrating-political-violence/ << Qntra - US Activist "News Aggregator" Begins Celebrating Political Violence 1609256;1485638626;mircea_popescu;!!rate Reuel 1 new blood 1609257;1485638627;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/XVb8E/?raw=true 1609258;1485639526;mircea_popescu;Reuel try nao. 1609259;1485639908;mircea_popescu;there you go. 1609260;1485639918;Reuel;ah right was using the OTP for rating me 1609261;1485639932;Reuel;cool 1609262;1485640142;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: any thoughts on rustoleum spray on rubber/"plastidip" to slow down metastasization/rusting of body panel gouge? 1609263;1485640171;Reuel;Not sure whether I missed some more talk earlier, disconnected a few times, but I'll read up in the logs. Going to mull over the no free money thing a bit. 1609264;1485640244;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: rust is cancer, but sealing it with paint may slow progesion. prolly safer to stick to "rustoleum" paint over a plastidip/rubberseal product 1609265;1485640261;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/TuP1U << 9! 1609266;1485640418;Reuel;mircea_popescu is there a spec for the bot you mentioned 1609267;1485640575;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "paint" paint or eg https://www.rustoleum.com/pages/about-rust-oleum/rustoleum-press-room/rust-oleum-news/rust-oleum-leakSeal-flexible-rubber-coating-stops-leaks-instantly/ 1609268;1485640632;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Paint. Thin layer of pigment in binder. 1609269;1485640636;mircea_popescu;which bot ? 1609270;1485640736;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/shinohais-saturday-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-again-tor-21-and-buttfunex/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Saturday Shitcoin Roundup Xtend Again: Tor, 21, and Buttfunex 1609271;1485640953;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: If your mission is stopping rust what you want is to seal the area against air and moisture. A thin layer of oil based paint does this. A think rubber or plastic glop is more likely to break its seal because soft. If thin paint breaks seal it should be noticable. 1609272;1485641376;ben_vulpes;aye 1609273;1485641394;ben_vulpes;goals are twofold: prevent further paint degradation and as much rust as possible now that the skin is broken 1609274;1485643121;BingoBoingo;Well, auto painting is not my forte 1609275;1485648978;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: The cold truth you must confront is that the body panel is without any doubt doomed. Everything from this point forward is merely stalling the inevitable victory of oxidation. 1609276;1485650407;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-28#1609262 << naval jelly first 1609277;1485650407;a111;Logged on 2017-01-28 21:49 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: any thoughts on rustoleum spray on rubber/"plastidip" to slow down metastasization/rusting of body panel gouge? 1609278;1485650449;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Then there's ruined pain on doomed body panel. 1609279;1485650456;BingoBoingo;*paint 1609280;1485650538;BingoBoingo;There are many things in this world where rust removal and remediation are possible. The steel of American cars is not one of them. 1609281;1485651181;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: eh i'm aware 1609282;1485651255;mircea_popescu;and in further romanian traditional "fuck everyone's words" : "beata lei" is the typical italian "good for you". in romanian, "biata de ea", poor her. 1609283;1485655739;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C726DFD55110F3D5FA1C0D828561173E8B2C40CACE495D9BE9E28C78119812B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1772...9099 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.193.92.126 (ssh-rsa key from 213.193.92.126 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (213-193-92-126.static.cablecom.ch. CH) 1609284;1485655740;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C726DFD55110F3D5FA1C0D828561173E8B2C40CACE495D9BE9E28C78119812B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1590...8969 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.193.92.126 (ssh-rsa key from 213.193.92.126 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (213-193-92-126.static.cablecom.ch. CH) 1609285;1485664472;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A9A6FB09F2B1FF03D18F4D2D568CE197919DAE34DEA6357F5A5F2D9C8F335677 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1389...8307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '130.251.188.1 (ssh-rsa key from 130.251.188.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (security.fisica.unige.it. IT GE 42) 1609286;1485664472;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A9A6FB09F2B1FF03D18F4D2D568CE197919DAE34DEA6357F5A5F2D9C8F335677 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1474...9259 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '130.251.188.1 (ssh-rsa key from 130.251.188.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (security.fisica.unige.it. IT GE 42) 1609287;1485666441;asciilifeform;!!up simonpenner 1609288;1485666441;deedbot;simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes. 1609289;1485666449;simonpenner;thanks and hi 1609290;1485666455;simonpenner;I've been invited here it seems 1609291;1485666465;asciilifeform;hello simonpenner. who might you be ? 1609292;1485666496;simonpenner;just a guy with opinions 1609293;1485666498;simonpenner;https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/824947540688777220 1609294;1485666501;simonpenner;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/824718526921449473 1609295;1485666548;BingoBoingo;Aha, you did get the invite 1609296;1485666561;asciilifeform;simonpenner: register a gpg key, per http://deedbot.org/help.html , then you will be able to voice yourself. 1609297;1485666735;simonpenner;BingoBoingo: I poked my head in here the other day on a fake name via webchat, to figure out what it is. Now I've got a bouncer set up and can IRC again 1609298;1485666762;simonpenner;to clarify in case you missed this: I did not write the days of rage post, that is a guestpost 1609299;1485666770;simonpenner;I did write liek 3/4ths of the rest of the site tho 1609300;1485666789;BingoBoingo;I did see that, but what can a person do? 1609301;1485666796;simonpenner;lol 1609302;1485666931;BingoBoingo;brb, news 1609303;1485667043;simonpenner;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZtDIA/?raw=true 1609304;1485667045;deedbot;2DE76FFD304CC7554792C06003D9B08C7502B214 registered as simonpenner. 1609305;1485667084;BingoBoingo;!!rate simonpenner 1 New News 1609306;1485667085;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0RG4D/?raw=true 1609307;1485667099;simonpenner;what does that mean? 1609308;1485667117;BingoBoingo;!!v EE3FA0DF50F005DD03FB1C9C145151F6C9DA94729B36A14C87EF17D46DA7B8E4 1609309;1485667117;deedbot;BingoBoingo rated simonpenner 1 << New News 1609310;1485667128;BingoBoingo;simonpenner: You can now give yourself voice 1609311;1485667175;BingoBoingo;!!help 1609312;1485667175;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1609313;1485667207;simonpenner;oh I get it 1609314;1485667214;simonpenner;you did a pgp auth right there? 1609315;1485667293;BingoBoingo;Indeed 1609316;1485667311;BingoBoingo;Well not an auth so much as a challenge/response 1609317;1485667348;BingoBoingo;Auth implies state and state is bad 1609318;1485667359;simonpenner;oh so you're all functional programmers too? 1609319;1485667361;simonpenner;or anarchists? 1609320;1485667362;simonpenner;or both? 1609321;1485667379;BingoBoingo;It's a mix. I am primarily an alcoholic in recovery. 1609322;1485667394;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron is an aspiring Theocrat 1609323;1485667412;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes likes cars and wants his computers to be more like his cars 1609324;1485667433;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform is a dog that thinks himself a cat 1609325;1485667436;BingoBoingo;etc 1609326;1485667442;simonpenner;I mean, cats > dogs 1609327;1485667503;BingoBoingo;Depends on the work 1609328;1485667837;simonpenner;well thanks for the invite. interesting place here 1609329;1485667849;simonpenner;which one of you invented btc? :P 1609330;1485667906;ben_vulpes;simonpenner: cats are pests 1609331;1485667911;BingoBoingo;We haven't quite figured that out. 1609332;1485667931;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: How do you control vermin population without cats? 1609333;1485667948;asciilifeform;i suppose ben_vulpes catches rats with own hands 1609334;1485667960;simonpenner;well foxes are like a hybrid dog/cat with the best of both worlds 1609335;1485667964;simonpenner;so you're on the right track I think 1609336;1485667979;ben_vulpes;what catch, my envelope has integrity 1609337;1485668033;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Sure but the GARDEN!!! 1609338;1485668077;simonpenner;I've a cat. I love. I used to have a dog (ex's dog), I loved him. Both are good 1609339;1485668267;BingoBoingo;!!up simonpenner 1609340;1485668267;deedbot;simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes. 1609341;1485668272;BingoBoingo;simonpenner: Voice yourself 1609342;1485668278;simonpenner;1 sec 1609343;1485668346;mircea_popescu;oh also terrorists 1609344;1485668354;simonpenner;see about that 1609345;1485668355;mircea_popescu;please to not forget the terrorists. 1609346;1485668368;simonpenner;am I going to get swat guys busting down my door for hanging out here? 1609347;1485668399;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he misspelled. "pets". 1609348;1485668404;mircea_popescu;simonpenner allegedly. 1609349;1485668406;BingoBoingo;simonpenner: Nah 1609350;1485668412;simonpenner;lol 1609351;1485668420;simonpenner;I figure if you were actually up to no good you probably woudln't do it in public 1609352;1485668427;asciilifeform;simonpenner: you will, but there is a long queue, i've been waiting for gassing since '13 1609353;1485668433;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9924E4C4DC7F32111B55091323E34CB4E15F9E1AAAFE1501993E1C23DF2F488A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1572...4187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.210.54.28 (ssh-rsa key from 81.210.54.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (waw-srv2.kba-polska.pl. PL) 1609354;1485668433;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9924E4C4DC7F32111B55091323E34CB4E15F9E1AAAFE1501993E1C23DF2F488A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1693...0403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.210.54.28 (ssh-rsa key from 81.210.54.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (waw-srv2.kba-polska.pl. PL) 1609355;1485668435;mircea_popescu;this is a very naive presupposition. 1609356;1485668595;BingoBoingo;!!up simonpenner 1609357;1485668595;deedbot;simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes. 1609358;1485668602;mircea_popescu;oh he still can't self voice ? 1609359;1485668602;simonpenner;thx 1609360;1485668605;simonpenner;I can, just slow 1609361;1485668609;simonpenner;drinking makes crypto hard 1609362;1485668621;mircea_popescu;simonpenner so what do you do, other than aving started a blog last year where ppl guestpost 1609363;1485668647;simonpenner;I write software, people give me money for it 1609364;1485668656;mircea_popescu;any particular kind ? 1609365;1485668664;simonpenner;webstuff 1609366;1485668672;mircea_popescu;ic 1609367;1485668706;simonpenner;and you? 1609368;1485668723;mircea_popescu;you didn't bother googling me did you 1609369;1485668728;mircea_popescu;i'm fabulously rich, i don't do anything. 1609370;1485668820;simonpenner;I did, apparently didn't read far enough 1609371;1485669129;simonpenner;you've sure got an interesting story 1609372;1485669213;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/first-wave-of-attorneys-challenges-trumpreich/ << Qntra - First Wave Of Attorneys Challenges Trumpreich 1609373;1485669295;mircea_popescu;lol ahahaha wait, derpy left narrative is now that random judge can STAY an executive order ? 1609374;1485669302;mircea_popescu;in what fucking alt-universe is this how things work. 1609375;1485669400;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/conjecturing/ << This one 1609376;1485669502;mircea_popescu;mmm. "savant of the strange, herald of the hypothetical, expert enigma" 1609377;1485669633;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC10BA793FB8C7D91493BFBE1A4B57AF12EDD346DF4B9F9A2F3AB0B22F278266 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1579...0943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.57.179.29 (ssh-rsa key from 212.57.179.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU CHE) 1609378;1485669633;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC10BA793FB8C7D91493BFBE1A4B57AF12EDD346DF4B9F9A2F3AB0B22F278266 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1793...2933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.57.179.29 (ssh-rsa key from 212.57.179.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU CHE) 1609379;1485669936;mircea_popescu;and today in epic butthurt : http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/ 1609380;1485669974;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : guy who inexplicably considers himself qualified to opine on others fails to understand why is it that spurious dude with no skills or abilities is spurious. 1609381;1485670004;mircea_popescu;"there is no good answer!!11" really ? "yes, because i will not consider the obvious point that this guy's supernumerary" 1609382;1485670043;mircea_popescu;"but he's a hard worker and gives 110%!!!" yes but 110% of shit is still worth nothing. 1609383;1485671321;BingoBoingo;Well, then why does he have nipples? 1609384;1485671388;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 1609385;1485671497;BingoBoingo;Compost all the supernumerary! 1609386;1485671511;mircea_popescu;110%! 1609387;1485671603;BingoBoingo;Seriously a broken google cache link in the piece to http://mattforney.com/fat-girls-dont-deserve-loved/ Why no real link? 1609388;1485671823;mircea_popescu;because most of this shit is ephemeral, like the shitheads who author it. 1609389;1485671831;mircea_popescu;"With no experience or knowledge of the worlds of science, art, or literature, and deprived of the sheer necessity to earn their subsistence, my patients are rich in nothing but time on their hands, and so they embark upon the Liaisons Dangereuses of the slums. " from the much better https://www.city-journal.org/html/rush-judgment-12282.html 1609390;1485671900;mircea_popescu;In their late twenties the most intelligent among them say to me, "There's something missing in my life, but I don't know what it is." ; and i grin and if they have nice tits and are tall enough i show them to their cell. 1609391;1485695410;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED7A32587D2275512A200ECD69E2758A918109BB6B82E71D130792461084B71A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9224...0213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '186.167.34.114 (ssh-rsa key from 186.167.34.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown VE A) 1609392;1485695410;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/756EA7EC2D73642CCB8E5FB086B32B42C7353C39CF1732A6FDFB57FE1A26C7A6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1156...5983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.143.38.10 (ssh-rsa key from 211.143.38.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 43) 1609393;1485695410;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED7A32587D2275512A200ECD69E2758A918109BB6B82E71D130792461084B71A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1156...5983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '186.167.34.114 (ssh-rsa key from 186.167.34.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown VE A) 1609394;1485695410;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/756EA7EC2D73642CCB8E5FB086B32B42C7353C39CF1732A6FDFB57FE1A26C7A6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9758...1617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.143.38.10 (ssh-rsa key from 211.143.38.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 43) 1609395;1485705072;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/29/lavarice-et-lenvie/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - L’Avarice et l’Envie. 1609396;1485709188;asciilifeform;in other lelz, https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/01/29/department-homeland-security-response-recent-litigation 1609397;1485709225;mircea_popescu;heh 1609398;1485710003;mircea_popescu;o hey, in other lulz turns out sarah schneider (college humour) published topless for teh fappening. 1609399;1485710114;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/do-you-understand-how-the-world-works/ << Trilema - Do you understand how the world works ? 1609400;1485710248;Reuel;mircea_popescu, diana_coman, re: your criticisms, I would say that, at the higher level, there is a choice in target audience, people who live democracy as implemented in the west and agree with it will find no trouble wasting time on a game like this, since it mimics familiar mechanisms (even if broken). In this particular channel, probably not enough ppl would be interested. 1609401;1485710265;Reuel;Then, if it would have to be implemented with what you would call more sane basics, the in game money would need to come from somewhere. Could be solved by making each vote costing actual irl money. Maybe even make many of the in-game actions cost money. So, either a per action cost that can be paid, or each player pitches in at the start to fill the nation's coffers. 1609402;1485710284;Reuel;I would say this would greatly increase complexity, as well as the cost of mistakes in the implementation. 1609403;1485710353;mircea_popescu;how can you make an evaluation as to what people'd do ? 1609404;1485710381;Reuel;I think, you believe that the choice in what to vote in is totally free. 1609405;1485710386;Reuel;But it would be a designed lawbook 1609406;1485710446;mircea_popescu;you don't take my meaning. 1609407;1485710451;mircea_popescu;let's work a thought experiment. 1609408;1485710480;mircea_popescu;so in a nameless city on a nameless street a spot of commercial space opens up. it has all the amenties and whatever. 1609409;1485710533;mircea_popescu;two people are interested in this space. one guy is a dwarf alchemist. he wants to put in there a large cauldron and other things, according to a complicated scheme he has, which at all junctures is justified formally and specifically, but in general it all backs into "because it'd be cool to do". 1609410;1485710555;Reuel;haha 1609411;1485710560;Reuel;i get it 1609412;1485710575;mircea_popescu;the other guy is an elven astrologer. she wants to put in there a large couch and other things, according to a complicated scheme she has, which at all junctures is justified formallyt and specifically, buyt in general it all backs into "because i think people'd like this". 1609413;1485710594;mircea_popescu;now, if the dwarf runs into trouble, his retort is work ; and if the elf runs into trouble, her retort is drink. 1609414;1485710799;mircea_popescu;much like to the elf and her friends any round refusal of "considering what people like" smacks, residually and vaguely, of "racism" ; just so to the dwarf and his friends any round refusal to refuse to consider "what people like" smacks, residually and vaguelly, of laziness. ie, the only reason the elf's an elf is because she's aforedecided she won't put in any work, and all that's left for her thereby is astrology and "what 1609415;1485710799;mircea_popescu; people would like". 1609416;1485711329;Reuel;seems like two extremes though 1609417;1485711352;mircea_popescu;well they're mythological creatures. 1609418;1485711419;mircea_popescu;but the problem remains : i can tell you why any engine doesn't work in all cases ; you can't tell me why people like or don't like anything in any case. 1609419;1485711446;mircea_popescu;to use a ballas-ism, people who allign their future to that vector how did it go 1609420;1485711509;Reuel;in the simple case of my game, it would be, at the bottom, the same as action movies for a large part of the population, power fantasies 1609421;1485711527;mircea_popescu;"the vast majority who have aligned theyir psychology to this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labour and their lives." 1609422;1485711677;mircea_popescu;Reuel if i were into that, why wouldn't i do exactly what the retard with "coreboot" did, or that unmentionable dimwit with "tor" ? 1609423;1485711702;mircea_popescu;seems to me there's already a social media democracy game which costs nothing to enter ; and at least in the fantasmagoric minds of half the pariticpants promises to pay out. 1609424;1485711715;Reuel;haha 1609425;1485711718;Reuel;yeah 1609426;1485711750;mircea_popescu;if they were gonna put half a hour into the female gossip thing you describe, they'd have already found livejournal / instagram / whatever they use these days. 1609427;1485711814;Reuel;so the game is absolutely no match for the channel, no problem 1609428;1485711838;Reuel;my main goal here was to make a bot as to get involved a bit 1609429;1485711853;mircea_popescu;you mean an irc bot ? 1609430;1485711861;Reuel;the game I can still unleash on the unsuspecting masses 1609431;1485711864;Reuel;yeah 1609432;1485711883;mircea_popescu;so make a logger, look at Framedragger phf ben_vulpes 's for inspiration. 1609433;1485711885;Reuel;thing was I already started on the voting game back end 1609434;1485711899;Reuel;but, is there a need for a logger? 1609435;1485711917;mircea_popescu;well, only in the limited sense that it'll allow people to evaluate you. 1609436;1485711925;Reuel;fair enough 1609437;1485711934;mircea_popescu;why, you had a better idea ? 1609438;1485712049;Reuel;no, but if I make something useful, that would be of more benefit I guess 1609439;1485712119;mircea_popescu;well, there's various actually useful projects waiting for a hand. such as for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588182 1609440;1485712119;a111;Logged on 2016-12-22 06:41 mircea_popescu: ok so a) gotta see if ext2 / ext4 CAN EVEN HOLD this many symlinks. like, at all. 1609441;1485712130;mircea_popescu;go do hdd profiling on large symlink load, very useful. 1609442;1485712207;Reuel;this is then partly hardware related as well then? 1609443;1485712231;mircea_popescu;not really, the inquiry is mostly re os 1609444;1485712242;Reuel;its setting up an experiment, not making a bot though 1609445;1485712269;mircea_popescu;yes. 1609446;1485712304;mircea_popescu;oh, you want a bot specifically ? 1609447;1485712309;Reuel;so this would be best to do on a clean hdd 1609448;1485712310;Reuel;? 1609449;1485712313;Reuel;nah 1609450;1485712332;Reuel;Im looking to improve standing after all, although a bot sounded interesting 1609451;1485712333;mircea_popescu;well yeah, you want a hdd. if it's new or old don't su much matter, but empty. 1609452;1485712450;mircea_popescu;do you understand the bitcoin end of things ? are you running a client ? ever got a v-build of trb to run for instance ? 1609453;1485712463;Reuel;no 1609454;1485712473;Reuel;i see it ties into bitcoin in the log but 1609455;1485712503;Reuel;is it necessary to run an experiment that answers your question 1609456;1485712518;Reuel;necessary to understand 1609457;1485712524;Reuel;the bitcoin aspect 1609458;1485712551;Reuel;ive ran core and other coins core but no deep knowledge 1609459;1485712553;mircea_popescu;ah. well, from a simple "cs competency" perspective, doing a trb build first is very good practice. i'll familiarize you with what's here a minimal bar of qualification and anywhere else above the reach of graduate students somehow. and it'll show you the power of the tools and the quality of the engineering. 1609460;1485712607;mircea_popescu;then you can look through mimisbrunnr and see the sort of load bitcoin db implies, then you'll be in a fine position to model adequate tests for the profiling thing above 1609461;1485712629;Reuel;ok 1609462;1485712639;Reuel;step one is setting up a node then? 1609463;1485712648;mircea_popescu;use v to set up a trb node yes. 1609464;1485712653;mircea_popescu;see mod6's scripts 1609465;1485712661;Reuel;this works in ubuntu? 1609466;1485712668;mircea_popescu;should yes. 1609467;1485712692;Reuel;or should i use another os 1609468;1485712695;mircea_popescu;and if it doesn't, that's both interesting and you're already building standing as you say. 1609469;1485712710;Reuel;ah ok 1609470;1485712759;Reuel;good, I will start there then 1609471;1485712760;mircea_popescu;people generally look to answer the very simple "who the fuck is this guy again ?" ; "he found that quirk on so and so linux flavour" is a better response than "i dunno, he just started talking one day". 1609472;1485714253;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu's list of Open Problemz imho should include (~usable~, unlike solrodar's) trb flow-graph 1609473;1485714273;mircea_popescu;yeah 1609474;1485714279;asciilifeform;it is much harder problem than i suspected originally. 1609475;1485714284;mircea_popescu;what was the problem there ? 1609476;1485714302;asciilifeform;!#s mouse find cheese 1609477;1485714302;a111;4 results for "mouse find cheese", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mouse%20find%20cheese 1609478;1485714306;mircea_popescu;prolly should be memorialized in detail. 1609479;1485714339;asciilifeform;a graphical circuit with more than a handful of crossed lines is ~unreadable. 1609480;1485714355;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1609481;1485714486;asciilifeform;you want two things, 1609482;1485714494;asciilifeform;1) relateds-physically-near-relateds 1609483;1485714498;asciilifeform;2) minimal crossing. 1609484;1485714513;asciilifeform;this is -- noshit.jpg -- np-hard. 1609485;1485714519;mircea_popescu;iirc we discussed doing a sort of iterated attractor thing 1609486;1485714535;asciilifeform;there are well-documented algos for approximating solutions to this class of problem. 1609487;1485714545;asciilifeform;(simulated annealing, for one) 1609488;1485714743;asciilifeform;this is one of those items whose lack will be sorely felt every time sane folx go on a burst of Reading Old Code 1609489;1485714755;mircea_popescu;myeah 1609490;1485714842;asciilifeform;and the problem becomes ~tractable~ -- as many do -- when you know which guaranteed non-solutions to discard, e.g., per thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-02#1222081 1609491;1485714842;a111;Logged on 2015-08-02 16:03 asciilifeform: the most critical thing re: the graph is probably to make it reflect ~only function calls~ rather than class membership 1609492;1485714985;asciilifeform;btw flow-graph is entirely isomorphic to electrical pcb routing. 1609493;1485714994;mircea_popescu;aha. 1609494;1485715003;asciilifeform;(where you also have Shortest Tracks and Crossing Is Expensive) 1609495;1485715180;asciilifeform;flow graph aside, it is interesting to note that existing tools for analyzing cpp hairballs do almost ~0 useful work. 1609496;1485715194;asciilifeform;for instance, can haz 'show me ALL OF THE PLACES MEMORY IS ALLOCATED' 1609497;1485715196;asciilifeform;dun exist. 1609498;1485715232;asciilifeform;assorted wankery, and generation of faux 'documentation' -- sure, by the megatonne. 1609499;1485715247;asciilifeform;useful inference ? none. 1609500;1485715268;asciilifeform;there's a thing for finding ~some~ buffer overflows. and that's it. 1609501;1485715280;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1609502;1485715650;mircea_popescu;actually a long term "c++ toolkit" is probably a very worth republican project. it's accessible by parts, like seen here, even if the parts are really above pay grade of most folk, and is certainly unevitable. we're stuck with a lot of c++ code and this isn't going to go away. 1609503;1485715702;asciilifeform;it isn't even a mega-mystery what this will have to look like: 1609504;1485715719;asciilifeform;modified gcc , with forcibly-removed AST-covering panties, 1609505;1485715724;asciilifeform;exposed to a lisp. 1609506;1485715729;mircea_popescu;probably, yeah. 1609507;1485715743;mircea_popescu;on the good news front, we do have lisp-in-linux-on-irc already. 1609508;1485715753;mircea_popescu;imagine a v-tree code analysis bot. 1609509;1485715791;asciilifeform;it isn't clear to me though that there are so many cpp hairballs that justify the salvage effort 1609510;1485715798;asciilifeform;trb is the only one i know of first-hand 1609511;1485715810;asciilifeform;and solely because of the 'grandfather's pistol' aspect 1609512;1485715861;mircea_popescu;there's also linux ; and eulora ; and gcc. and for that matter... emacs. 1609513;1485715872;asciilifeform;on this list eulora is the only cpp proggy... 1609514;1485715887;mircea_popescu;not linux ? 1609515;1485715915;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu uses 'c' and 'cpp' interchangeably, but they are quite different , the way heroin and cocaine differ , though both are simply 'dope' to the uninitiated ) 1609516;1485715921;Framedragger;linux is pure c, no? 1609517;1485715924;asciilifeform;pure c. 1609518;1485715935;mircea_popescu;i like the place where you live ; and would love to visit sometime. 1609519;1485715937;Framedragger;(re. v-tree code analysis bot, mmm sounds hot.) 1609520;1485715970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kernel is 100% c/asm, wat. 1609521;1485715980;mircea_popescu;kernel is a ... kernel. 1609522;1485715986;asciilifeform;ditto userland toolz. 1609523;1485715996;asciilifeform;the only cpp in my pogo build was trb. 1609524;1485715998;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. 1609525;1485716227;asciilifeform;to briefly revisit upstack, the difference matters here in the respect that a ~cpp~ call-grapher is a ~much~ taller order, because of the OOP soup 1609526;1485716244;mircea_popescu;yes. 1609527;1485716248;asciilifeform;(in cpp you not only have function calls, but invocations of methods, on objects with wildly varying lifespans and scopes) 1609528;1485716278;asciilifeform;and many 'action at a distance' idiocies 1609529;1485716304;asciilifeform;y'know, crapolade that dijkstra warned against in 1972, when it barely existed even. 1609530;1485716457;asciilifeform;imho it may or may not make sense to make a tool just for trb. just as raising most ww2 sunken submarines is not +ev, only the ones full of nazi gold. 1609531;1485716487;asciilifeform;or how cia/howard hughes built a massive robotic salvager JUST for that one sov sub. 1609532;1485716490;mircea_popescu;this is not exactly true. the raising of nazi submarines is +ev for nation-state ; as shown once ru sub sinks. 1609533;1485716524;asciilifeform;afaik most german subs are still right where they were left, on the bottom. 1609534;1485716537;asciilifeform;hence the inference that 'it's -ev' 1609535;1485716601;asciilifeform;then again i would not be the first to know, if this weren't so. 1609536;1485716684;asciilifeform;re hughes 'glomar explorer', story is that even AFTER cover was blown, the thing was sent to do the ~job claimed in the cover story~ -- undersea mining. and not 'raise ww2 ships', which even after the robot was built, remained -ev. 1609537;1485716693;asciilifeform;(mining was ditto -ev and thing was quickly auctioned for scrap) 1609538;1485716739;asciilifeform;or, hm, not so quickly. so perhaps it had undocumented adventures. 1609539;1485719735;shinohai;In tacocat news: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs7EuMGW8AAT7uZ.jpg 1609540;1485722025;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: except trump's caddy to be every bit as brash. and are the amerikans still claiming a growing economy ? really ? 1609541;1485722027;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/29/a-glimpse-of-great-during-the-first-week-of-great-again/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A glimpse of Great during the first week of Great Again. 1609542;1485722066;pete_dushenski;apologies also for the delayed responses. as ^^ points out, i was away and pretty, pretty, pretty unplugged. 1609543;1485722223;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: i hear you. and no disagreement here. pride will dig you into unnecessary ditches from which you'll then have to climb out. also, yw for auctioneering :) 1609544;1485722239;pete_dushenski;twas a good time. 1609545;1485722544;asciilifeform;in other wtf, old mobo comes back to life just as i readied to hoist replacement into place. 1609546;1485722577;pete_dushenski;heh the survival instinct was strong in that one 1609547;1485723137;pete_dushenski;in less acute instincts, this has to be the lousiest author bio i've seen in a while : "Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community Milepoint.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" byConde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been 1609548;1485723138;pete_dushenski;a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty." 1609549;1485723167;*;pete_dushenski was reading up on trump's new eo for entry-exit 1609550;1485723191;pete_dushenski;wtf is most major news media ? 1609551;1485723268;simonpenner;pete_dushenski: is that this visa denial one or is there another one now? 1609552;1485723357;pete_dushenski;simonpenner: same one. sectioon 7 relating to biometric entry-exit tracking was just getting a bit of traction on the second go-around 1609553;1485723368;pete_dushenski;*section 1609554;1485723402;simonpenner;oic 1609555;1485723481;pete_dushenski;not that exciting, really. just thought the dude's bio was lulzy 1609556;1485723793;pete_dushenski;in other lines between the lines, even the lefty design pubs are finding it fashionable to besmirch globalism : https://www.fastcodesign.com/3067578/exposure/the-monotony-of-globalism-32-cities-32-identical-hotel-rooms 1609557;1485723833;pete_dushenski;it's not that the rooms are even all that similar, just that you gotta subtly prime the coming nationslism every way possible 1609558;1485723859;pete_dushenski;slism on some slissurp 1609559;1485724019;mircea_popescu;eh they couch surf anyway 1609560;1485724134;Reuel;Am I still up 1609561;1485724143;mircea_popescu;the half hour thing is for noobs only. 1609562;1485724162;Reuel;Ignore my test, also, have you guys automated the login process with the OTP etc? 1609563;1485724174;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ? 1609564;1485724176;Reuel;for yourselves 1609565;1485724180;Reuel;just wondering 1609566;1485724204;mircea_popescu;yes but what are you wondering ? 1609567;1485724273;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lol *expect 1609568;1485724281;Reuel;well I have to copy paste he OTP, run cmd line stuff, etc, just curious how many here automated the process 1609569;1485724289;mircea_popescu;ah. i haven't. 1609570;1485724307;mircea_popescu;if you end up losing connection a lot better fix your bouncer set-up than automate your identity 1609571;1485724343;Reuel;ah yeah there's some security risks ofcourse 1609572;1485724383;mod6;this might be worth a read: http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/ 1609573;1485724448;Reuel;oh yeah I read that before but had no practical use for it as yet, liked it though 1609574;1485724465;mircea_popescu;how goes mod6 1609575;1485724475;mod6;very well, Sir. 1609576;1485724510;mod6;Despite all of the recent discussion around multiple roots... I was able to get that working in the forthcoming version. 1609577;1485724518;pete_dushenski;bbl 1609578;1485724520;mod6;At least, it looks like it's good so far. 1609579;1485724522;mircea_popescu;nice 1609580;1485724531;Reuel;but I can't wait to boil disks in tomato juice 1609581;1485724591;mod6;I'm starting a huge testing phase as we speak. I thought it was worth the effort to /try/ get it working for others. 1609582;1485724608;mod6;And looks like my couple of days playing with it paid off. 1609583;1485724609;mircea_popescu;bolognese! 1609584;1485724690;mod6;Oh, speaking of cured meats... I hit up the deli again today and picked up a bunch of different salami. 1609585;1485724720;mircea_popescu;actually i was speaking of the pasta in tomato sauce with minced meat dish, but nevertheless :D 1609586;1485724735;mod6;lol, these people think i'm nuts. they're like, "mod6, how much do you want? quarter pound?." i'm like waving it in. "gimme the whole thing." 1609587;1485724783;mod6;so to the tune of boiling in tomato sauce... I did this. 1609588;1485724795;mircea_popescu;lel 1609589;1485724804;mod6;but then after that, i scrubbed them all with very corase sand paper. 1609590;1485724821;mod6;then after that I blow-torched 'em. 1609591;1485724842;mod6;then after that I used a pair of metal cutting scissors and cut them in to very small pieces. 1609592;1485724847;mircea_popescu;"and then after i had threw them at the ugly mothers of my enemies" 1609593;1485724851;mod6;if that doesn't do it, well then fuck me. 1609594;1485724860;mod6;lol, exactly. 1609595;1485724902;*;diana_coman recollects of all a sudden a pocket-book from childhood: "Taiem porcul. Cum il preparam?" 1609596;1485724911;mircea_popescu;lol! 1609597;1485724939;mircea_popescu;diana_coman did you see that "amintiri din epoca de aur" antology ? there's a segment there re apartment gassing of pig. 1609598;1485724961;mod6;Looks ike a decent meat book. 1609599;1485724983;mircea_popescu;mod6 pretty much 20th century ro traditional pig slaughter. 1609600;1485724996;mod6;that would be awesome, actually. 1609601;1485725005;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I missed that it seems 1609602;1485725006;mod6;someday, I really wanna get into butchery 1609603;1485725010;mircea_popescu;when i was a kid ~every male was supposed to be able to do this. 1609604;1485725013;mircea_popescu;under pain of childhood. 1609605;1485725028;mod6;yeah, its a basic life skill. 1609606;1485725029;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it's not terrible. mungiu &co. 1609607;1485725033;mod6;i totally missed out on that. 1609608;1485725036;diana_coman;mod6, it was actually quite decent 1609609;1485725056;mircea_popescu;mod6 nothing you can't learn in a week. provided of course there's whom to learn from. 1609610;1485725076;mod6;If shoot a moose or slaugher a pig, or whatever, gotta know how to take it apart and preserve the meat. Basic. 1609611;1485725132;mircea_popescu;moose is itself a coupla days for 3 people. 1609612;1485725140;mircea_popescu;not really same thing as pig 1609613;1485725155;mircea_popescu;chet actually did that in her alaskan youth. 1609614;1485725164;mod6;Aha, I bet. 1609615;1485725228;mod6;I was watching this recent show about this part of alaska that's now been deemed only for wild-life. It's this huge area in the artic circle. Some people still live there though, as they were granfathered in. 1609616;1485725259;mircea_popescu;i don't expect the whole "not for people" libertard thing will last. 1609617;1485725262;mod6;Only like 7 families remain. Most of them live off of moose & caribu I would guess. Fish. etc. 1609618;1485725298;mod6;I would like that kinda thing I think. Maybe in another life. 1609619;1485725339;mircea_popescu;maybe in another life you come as the caribou! 1609620;1485725353;mod6;lol! and may the gods make me swift. 1609621;1485725358;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1609622;1485725423;mircea_popescu;anyway, yeah, the north is not particularily unfriendly food wise. it's just cold. meanwhile the south utterly sucks for food. 1609623;1485725536;mod6;I suppose there are alyways things to hunt. Just not quite as large of game maybe? Although in the south east, they love, for instance, alligator. 1609624;1485725558;mod6;Which can be pretty big I suppose. I had it once. Was pretty tasty. 1609625;1485725589;mircea_popescu;i had it in alabama. pretty good. 1609626;1485725619;mod6;When I was out west, most of the deer were "mule-deer" much smaller than their northern conterparts. But there were wild-boar... so I guess I guy could have his pick from jack-rabbits or boar, or mule-deer. *shrug* 1609627;1485725623;mircea_popescu;sort-of shrimpy 1609628;1485725654;mircea_popescu;mod6 well if you mean north as in "past artic circle" then i mean south as in "past tropics" 1609629;1485725656;mod6;I remember it being like a greasy chicken type thing. Even had some dark meat in there. 1609630;1485725665;mod6;Ahh. 1609631;1485725701;mod6;Yeah, no idea what they might have as far as game down in that region. Aside from like snakes. That's what I think of. Snakes. 1609632;1485725737;mircea_popescu;gnu 1609633;1485725854;mod6;This one site says that there is amazing big game hunting in .ar: cougar, white-tail deer, "brocket" deer, and 'peccary'. 1609634;1485725865;mircea_popescu;ar is not really tropical though 1609635;1485725886;mircea_popescu;more like kansas 1609636;1485725931;mod6;*nod* it is fairly warm there. it certainly isn't like where I'm at. I mean, it's less extreme. Here it gets really hot and humid in the summer, and extra cold in the winter. 1609637;1485725945;mircea_popescu;yeah nothing like cold. 1609638;1485725959;mircea_popescu;summers are humid though, my ac is literally pouring out a faucet. 1609639;1485726028;mod6;aha. the autumn in .ar is pretty plesant though. 1609640;1485726042;mircea_popescu;ya prolly best time 1609641;1485726171;mod6;In the summer, does it cool off quite a bit at night though? 1609642;1485726188;mod6;So walks are not so punishing? 1609643;1485726246;mod6;Wow. Tomorrow is supposed to be 34 deg. C. 1609644;1485726253;mod6;Batten down the hatches. 1609645;1485726674;mod6;<+diana_coman> mod6, it was actually quite decent << right on. how've you been lately? how's eulorian things? 1609646;1485726767;mircea_popescu;not really. i don't think it ever gets under 15 1609647;1485726806;diana_coman;mod6, fighting the planeshift jungle mainly; so Foxy gets to roam eulora mostly; did you ever get to set the client up ? 1609648;1485726822;mircea_popescu;mod6 it's not even "34 C". it's that the air is so moist, getting this to 24 is about 3x the joules it'd take you to get it to 24 in a sane climate. 1609649;1485726892;mod6;ah. huh. 1609650;1485726936;mod6;diana_coman: well, i've got a box. my main focus has been getting these V changes put in. and pretty much think that's complete, but got a ton of testing in front of me. 1609651;1485726968;mod6;but, i'll see about getting that new client setup. i kinda want to use foxybot to mine stuff for me. 1609652;1485726978;mod6;best game evar basically. 1609653;1485727094;diana_coman;mod6, testing is still in the future of eulora mostly ; sadly; and I get what you say there: I wouldn't spend the time now to set the client up if it wasn't already there and ready to be left on its own for days at a time 1609654;1485727226;mod6;it actually doesn't take long to set it up at all. but i need every spare minute possible for V atm. but when I have a few spare cycles, I'll get that going. at least I have a box for it now. 1609655;1485727278;mod6;as far as testing, it can not be understated how important the automated tests were for V to ensure that regressions did not happen. would be great to eventually have a framework build up for eulora so that functional and unit testing could be inplace the same way. 1609656;1485727373;mod6;that could be an entire role for someone aspiring to help out in all seriousness. 1609657;1485727392;mod6;I need to get the ball rolling for something like that with TRB as well. 1609658;1485727409;mod6;we have very few tests, and we need probably thousands. 1609659;1485727411;mircea_popescu;myeah 1609660;1485727534;mod6;eventually maybe, anyway. 1609661;1485729447;ben_vulpes;http://www.thelocal.at/20170128/hotel-ransomed-by-hackers-as-guests-locked-in-rooms 1609662;1485729452;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1609663;1485729463;mircea_popescu;fail open, those derpy locks, did they. 1609664;1485731519;mod6;the current #trilema-mod6 log is pretty short, but I've done some upfront testing with mulitple roots. If you want to see the info, here's a log link to the goods: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-1-29#0fde4881-aaa8-4bf7-ba7c-9c0bd0d3856c 1609665;1485731659;mircea_popescu;o hey 1609666;1485734660;mod6;oh fwiw, like we discussed, I also added a "multiple roots found, continue?" question for the user. 1609667;1485734666;mod6;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UGLyy/?raw=true 1609668;1485734676;mod6;ben_vulpes: i like how wotpaste works in lynx btw. 1609669;1485735201;asciilifeform;sooo went over 'resurrected miracle' mobo with magnifying glass, there is indeed a leaking electrolytic cap (and a few pre-death ones, bulging like botulistic tinned food) 1609670;1485735216;asciilifeform;the odd part is that the thing boots and memtests etc. nao. 1609671;1485735269;mod6;weird. must be within error tolerance eh? 1609672;1485735350;asciilifeform;knife's edge 1609673;1485735371;mod6;re: question for the user to proceed with multiple roots; this adds a level of annoyance. thoughts? 1609674;1485736914;mircea_popescu;take out of seals people who cause the annoyance. 1609675;1485737116;asciilifeform;'multiple roots' is 100% inevitably caused by patch curator (i.e. v operator) and never the submitters 1609676;1485737149;asciilifeform;i can trivially cause it on my box by throwing, e.g., FUCKGOATS genesis, into trb dir... 1609677;1485737343;mircea_popescu;myeah. rather than "proceed yes/no" it shouldask you which genesis you mean. 1609678;1485737869;asciilifeform;i still see 0 logical reason why 'flow' command has to barf -- it can happily display both flows. 'press', on the other hand, will NEVER have any problem knowing which flow to press to point P 1609679;1485737896;asciilifeform;any pressable P relies strictly on one particular genesis. 1609680;1485737896;mircea_popescu;... 1609681;1485737915;mircea_popescu;are we going to go through this whole thing every single fucking time someone brings it up ? 1609682;1485737921;mircea_popescu;by now it's more like trolling than anything. 1609683;1485738014;asciilifeform;hey i genuinely disagree that power saw needs an 'am i sawing finger' sensor. 1609684;1485738079;mircea_popescu;so we'll have semantic difference between press and flow now./ 1609685;1485738090;mircea_popescu;why not add the outside temperature to the flow. it'll be better that way. 1609686;1485738513;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7dYa4/?raw=true 1609687;1485738529;asciilifeform;( re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-29#1609373 ) 1609688;1485738529;a111;Logged on 2017-01-29 05:54 mircea_popescu: lol ahahaha wait, derpy left narrative is now that random judge can STAY an executive order ? 1609689;1485738669;mircea_popescu;if only people knew activist judges can stay executive orders, how much fun obamacare'd have been\ 1609690;1485738688;mircea_popescu;pity earth sciences hadn't discovered this golf cross pattern earlier. 1609691;1485738849;asciilifeform;only works for the left. 1609692;1485738853;asciilifeform;as is typical. 1609693;1485739109;mircea_popescu;in the sense magic only works for the shaman lol 1609694;1485739221;asciilifeform;in so far as 1) activist-judge is still a judge, and mr.t's dhs 'announced that it will obey judicial orders' and 2) the rapefugees were let out of the airport and happily on their way to $destination -- it works. 1609695;1485739238;asciilifeform;the Have Rights (tm) (r) yousee. 1609696;1485739314;asciilifeform;*they 1609697;1485739369;mircea_popescu;i dunno what one must be smoking to imagine this will ever occur, but hey. 1609698;1485739399;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as derpy slum-dwellers with delusions of participation and importance believe it does, more power to 'em. 1609699;1485739407;asciilifeform;didja read the link ? or what, it is disinfo, and order will not be carried out ? 1609700;1485739429;mircea_popescu;what link ? 1609701;1485739435;asciilifeform;the ruling 1609702;1485739443;mircea_popescu;lol ruling. who cares. 1609703;1485739505;mircea_popescu;next congress is going to pass a debt ceiling or something. 1609704;1485739524;asciilifeform;how's that relate ? 1609705;1485739570;mircea_popescu;look, at the height of bushomania the dude's breaking-the-law dept was declaring on its website that "they obey the laws". and nixon's, idem. because wtf are they going to be, men ? the next mp, state "take it an shove it" plainly like that ? 1609706;1485739575;asciilifeform;there's a set of derps sitting in airport. they either get let in past customs -- or not let in. physical fact. activist-judge proclaimed 'let in.' and by all indications, mr.t -- kowtowed. 1609707;1485739580;mircea_popescu;meanwhile all sorts of dorks can importantly say whatever they please. 1609708;1485739594;mircea_popescu;they're not getting let past customs. 1609709;1485739612;mircea_popescu;the chances of black person without a twenty dollar bill making it in the us today is ~0. 1609710;1485739630;mircea_popescu;all the judges in the world gathered in conclave can do jack shit about this ground fact. 1609711;1485740042;mod6;Hm. Well, maybe I'll take out the check then. And it's really up to the operator. 1609712;1485740096;asciilifeform;i for one like being able to correctly display ALL v-pressables on my entire box. 1609713;1485740132;asciilifeform;in 1 command. 1609714;1485740141;asciilifeform;but maybe that's just me. 1609715;1485740336;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NPPE9/?raw=true << california joins the 'zerg attack' 1609716;1485743772;ben_vulpes;dear lispers, what would compel someone to put a defpackage form inside an eval-when? 1609717;1485744024;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: vodka 1609718;1485744045;mircea_popescu;antifreeze. 1609719;1485749866;BingoBoingo; hey i genuinely disagree that power saw needs an 'am i sawing finger' sensor. << Ideally saw operator has said sensor 1609720;1485750324;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/42BFA23A5B8BD5858D86542AC3B9E17B33BC241C0BD81EA720AB8A4BBD074CCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1359...4209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.32.176.23 (ssh-rsa key from 202.32.176.23 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (202x32x176x23.ap.38ns.net. JP) 1609721;1485750324;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/42BFA23A5B8BD5858D86542AC3B9E17B33BC241C0BD81EA720AB8A4BBD074CCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1431...1479 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.32.176.23 (ssh-rsa key from 202.32.176.23 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (202x32x176x23.ap.38ns.net. JP) 1609722;1485754945;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA3B179BB42F3A0ADE007B1DE8AFBCDC17B08E3BCBA4B073B9492FBDF7CDC653 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1624...6739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.186.114.170 (ssh-rsa key from 212.186.114.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (212-186-114-170.static.upcbusiness.at. AT) 1609723;1485754945;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA3B179BB42F3A0ADE007B1DE8AFBCDC17B08E3BCBA4B073B9492FBDF7CDC653 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1675...0733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.186.114.170 (ssh-rsa key from 212.186.114.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (212-186-114-170.static.upcbusiness.at. AT) 1609724;1485756743;adlai;ben_vulpes: literally nothing: "If a defpackage form appears as a top level form, all of the actions normally performed by this macro at load time must also be performed at compile time." 1609725;1485757316;ben_vulpes;looked nutty, ty asciilifeform adlai 1609726;1485757343;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598739 << it's in more than one volume of taocp, but "discusses" is a drastic overstatement. he just gives a few "port the aforementioned binary algorithm" exercises. if you're still curious - it's in "Seminumerical Algorithms" 1609727;1485757343;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 23:33 gabriel_laddel_p: also, if you could locate the precise knuth book where he discusses balanced ternery, and then find me a warez copy, that would be useful 1609728;1485759016;gabriel_laddel_p;!!rate adlai -10 0/10 on homework. Reposts known information in an attempt to appear useful 1609729;1485759017;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/AMks2/?raw=true 1609730;1485759062;gabriel_laddel_p;!!v 133C6F826EB544F8CB0A159F0A216E4491D9D56EE21251A43B3B5B57BB1771C7 1609731;1485759062;deedbot;gabriel_laddel_p rated adlai -10 << 0/10 on homework. Reposts known information in an attempt to appear useful 1609732;1485759209;gabriel_laddel_p;Incidentally, I have a copy of that volume and don't need a link. 1609733;1485759283;gabriel_laddel_p;For those who don't read everything, here is the message adlai either ignored or cribbed. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598753 1609734;1485759283;a111;Logged on 2017-01-07 23:40 netmonk: gabriel_laddel_p: first part of your request is basic google search : https://www.google.fr/search?espv=2&biw=2131&bih=998&tbm=bks&q=the+art+of+computer+programming++balanced+ternery&oq=the+art+of+computer+programming++balanced+ternery&gs_l=serp.3..30i10k1.2454.6331.0.6536.14.13.1.0.0.0.327.1357.10j2j0j1.13.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..1.6.461.HHB-vlpZ1EQ 1609735;1485759547;gabriel_laddel_p;A task for anyone who has the time: people have recently (re?)discovered that when you run visible light into a "nanomaterial" with a "grating" whose components are less than the wavelength of light, you get interesting effects. 1609736;1485759548;gabriel_laddel_p;http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6290/1190 1609737;1485759579;gabriel_laddel_p;Are these effects generalizable across all types of EM wave? 1609738;1485759582;gabriel_laddel_p;If not, why? 1609739;1485761599;*;adlai should start a collection of these 1609740;1485768488;netmonk;http://ec.europa.eu/smart-regulation/roadmaps/docs/plan_2016_028_cash_restrictions_en.pdf 1609741;1485768506;netmonk;cash restriction proposal from European commision 1609742;1485769664;netmonk;In view of the development of cryptocurrencies and the existence of other means of payments ensuring 1609743;1485769666;netmonk;anonymity, an option could be to extend the restrictions to cash payments to all payments ensuring anonymity 1609744;1485769668;netmonk;(cryptocurrencies, payment in kinds, etc.). 1609745;1485788651;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1609736 << paywall 1609746;1485788651;a111;Logged on 2017-01-30 06:59 gabriel_laddel_p: http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6290/1190 1609747;1485788709;asciilifeform;fwiw metamaterial lens was promised years ago 1609748;1485788723;asciilifeform;i suspect that reduction to practice is nontrivial. 1609749;1485788858;asciilifeform;in other lulz: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852751 1609750;1485788887;asciilifeform;'Debian Bug report logs - #852751 1609751;1485788887;asciilifeform;[cryptkeeper] Sets the same password "p" for everything independently of user input' 1609752;1485790157;mircea_popescu;netmonk hey, it worked so well for india... and moreover socialist "europe" SO VERY MUCH wants to be just like india that i'm not at all surprised. 1609753;1485790186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol sounds about right. 1609754;1485790283;mircea_popescu;the above being the ENTIRETY of "usg cyberwarfare capacity" by the way. that it got idiots (schneier, koch, weimer etc), to write software that sets p as password everywhere independent of user input and then ten million imbecile lusers to use that "because it's what everyone does" where everyone is so defined to exclude everyone sane. 1609755;1485790300;mircea_popescu;supposedly this is an achievement, dunno. 1609756;1485790709;asciilifeform;that and overflows. 1609757;1485790731;mircea_popescu;overflows are pretty much that. 1609758;1485790769;mircea_popescu;but, be that as it may, overflows are actually republic/other fiats speciality. it's how the usg gets owned in general. 1609759;1485790888;mircea_popescu;and i submit the "fappening" is a fine example of how the usg-ustards close coupling works in practice, because it is. so : usg got all sorts of idiots, including for instance dreamer asset sarah schneider, to take pics of their ass and put on usg.apple cloud. like so : https://rektcelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sarah-schneider-naked-2.jpg 1609760;1485790932;mircea_popescu;she did this, no matter how stupid, because usg told her to ; and when usg says, she does, no matter how stupid. this is the core of her identity, she's not a woman, or a person, or a mother, or anything. she's, first and foremost, good soviet ; and anything else to the degree there's space (and usg tells her to). 1609761;1485791055;mircea_popescu;then the republic owned the usg.apple platform known as "the cloud" and published her naked ass. and the ustards, to quote, "https://archive.is/0E16N Even if it is her and something gets leaked let's give her and everyone listed the respect to their privacy. Though on this subreddit I'm sure it goes without saying." https://archive.is/0E16N#selection-1687.1-1701.166 1609762;1485791059;asciilifeform;did i sleep through announcement from obummer where '50 percent off tax if you post yer arse and you're a hot chick' ? 1609763;1485791069;asciilifeform;how did usg 'told her to' 1609764;1485791091;mircea_popescu;"i was in the situation room" hillaric clinton's case was no different ; just that in the case of that old hag / usg asset nobody is interested in ass. 1609765;1485791110;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "gotta use smartphone". 1609766;1485791118;mircea_popescu;how did "islam" tell woman to wear shit on her face ? 1609767;1485791165;asciilifeform;afaik smartphone caught on ~because~ lusers like taking photos of own arse; rather than imposed so that such. 1609768;1485791233;mircea_popescu;so then, this exact idiocy repeats itself time and again. 1. usg.apple tells ustards to use $item-which-sets-all-passwords-as-p-independent-of-user-input ; 2. ustards do. 3. republic owns them, and puts them to whatever use more adequate to their tard genes, such as fap fodder, lulzcow, whatever. 4. the usg comes up with a color of your bits "goes without saying". 1609769;1485791252;mircea_popescu;that's the whole comedy, and it's playing again and again and again and again. republic decides us elections ? usg claims putin did it! 1609770;1485791256;mircea_popescu;hurr durr. 1609771;1485791271;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall the discussion re apple/"apple" recently ? 1609772;1485791277;asciilifeform;which one? 1609773;1485791283;asciilifeform;we have one maybe every other day 1609774;1485791333;mircea_popescu;usg does not exist and is not held here to signify anything but the "collective abject idiocy" aka "the female mind" aka "the community consensus" etc. it is specifically NOT the case that there exists something even vaguely in the vein you think of (ie, a powerful and directed, self-conscious usg, the "lizard hitler" or such) 1609775;1485791367;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594878 << there. 1609776;1485791367;a111;Logged on 2016-12-31 18:18 mircea_popescu: "apple", does it make it better if it's "apple" in quotes ? 1609777;1485791369;asciilifeform;'conscious usg' consists of 1) the weapons systems that still, in some fashion, work 2) the folx servicing them. 1609778;1485791377;mircea_popescu;no weapons systems work. 1609779;1485791382;mircea_popescu;and nobody services them. 1609780;1485791390;mircea_popescu;this was 1990s. 25 years change things. 1609781;1485791408;asciilifeform;i suspect that it will not be long to wait, to find out which, if any, work. 1609782;1485791448;mircea_popescu;!#s deterrent 1609783;1485791448;a111;16 results for "deterrent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deterrent 1609784;1485791453;*;asciilifeform brb, teatime 1609785;1485791476;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606632 1609786;1485791476;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 16:10 asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'US urged Britain to keep Trident blunder secret. Obama administration ‘feared missile failure put American nuclear deterrent at risk’.' 1609787;1485791832;mircea_popescu;anyway. there do exist utterly imbecile "revolutionaries" and "Activists" in the vein described for instance by that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606755 article. but these are not either powerful ; or self-conscious. 1609788;1485791832;a111;Logged on 2017-01-25 23:42 ben_vulpes: in other gabriel_laddel comments that have babe army swooning: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/ 1609789;1485791914;mircea_popescu;they have all the self-determination of the average ferret : if you keep hens in a henhouse it will try and sometimes succeed to get in and suck blood off a few of them. that's it and that's all. there's no ferret poetry, no ferret philosophy, no ferret tools even. exactly like in the case of any orcs, if you see them wearing armor or wielding actual weapons as opposed to "random shit they found in their immediate surrounding 1609790;1485791915;mircea_popescu;s" you know there's a human somewhere helping them. because they, on their own power, are not capable. monkeys, entirely. 1609791;1485792929;gabriel_laddel_p;http://projects.iq.harvard.edu/muri_metasurfaces/publications/metalenses-visible-wavelengths-diffraction-limited-focusing-and < full text 1609792;1485793227;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1609748 << quantum effects! 1609793;1485793227;a111;Logged on 2017-01-30 15:05 asciilifeform: i suspect that reduction to practice is nontrivial. 1609794;1485793483;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: i get 'connection refused' 1609795;1485793562;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is ~always 'a human somewhere helping them'. recall the sakharov thread. 1609796;1485793576;mircea_popescu;not that i've seen. 1609797;1485793643;asciilifeform;or, more recently, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584061 1609798;1485793643;a111;Logged on 2016-12-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: japan got buldozed chiefly because of the utterly immoral attitude of thinking people at the time. 1609799;1485793649;mircea_popescu;amusingly the whole "he's black so of course he knows what he's doing" thing in the 70s (which yes, was an actual thing in the heads of all the retarded jew princesses, sarah schneiders of their time both felt they're personally insufficient and imagined they can find the missing parts on their own) 1609800;1485793676;mircea_popescu;is a fine example in this vein. womenz keep looking around for men, can't find any. 1609801;1485793690;mircea_popescu;so it is with the orcs, and so it is with all the inferior life. 1609802;1485793707;mircea_popescu;it's necessarily more abundant than what it lacks ; and it does after a fashion shamble about looking for a head to screw on 1609803;1485793710;mircea_popescu;BRAAAAINZZZZZ 1609804;1485793755;asciilifeform;...for a head to screw on ? or instead for a lion to skin and wear the skin ? 1609805;1485793770;mircea_popescu;from the perspective of the dogvomit these aren't meaningfully different. 1609806;1485793786;asciilifeform;consider obummer, the long-awaited, at last found, 'black head' 1609807;1485793786;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KAQmF5V2M2c2ZSRDg/view?usp=sharing 1609808;1485793819;asciilifeform;ty gabriel_laddel_p , loads 1609809;1485793840;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: you really oughta get an actual box to put these on 1609810;1485793846;asciilifeform;(and for other warez in general) 1609811;1485793892;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: Yep. Over CLIM-beirc-wotnet, eventually. 1609812;1485793905;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: were you involved with the experiment described in this link ? any thoughts on replicating same in jungle conditions ? 1609813;1485793943;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I was not. And presently have no ideas as to how this would be done in jungle conditions. 1609814;1485793996;gabriel_laddel_p;I wonder how hard it would be to "brain parasite" a community college.. 1609815;1485794058;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: dunno that electron beam nanofabrication happens at typical 'community college' 1609816;1485794074;asciilifeform;and didntcha already infiltrate stanford ? do it there. 1609817;1485794219;gabriel_laddel_p;ftr, I was asking if there are comparable effects at EM frequencies other than visible light. I presently have no use for said technology, though it would be fun to replicate. 1609818;1485794227;asciilifeform;or hm, nm, you need atomic layer epitaxy rig. you will need to infiltrate a semiconductor fab. 1609819;1485794235;mircea_popescu;dude, fun is for rich people. go work. 1609820;1485794332;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: you can test this with bare hands. a metamaterial for long waves is also known as... ordinary waveguide. chandra bose made these in 1890s! 1609821;1485794439;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: i recommend to take the advice of mircea_popescu ! in the sense where it is a waste of brain cycles to , past certain point, design 'atomic dirigible' if you haven't with what to make it, and have no foreseeable approach to it 1609822;1485794526;asciilifeform;the best that can be had from such work is to leave behind 'davinci's notebook' 1609823;1485794552;mircea_popescu;not anymore. that worked then because relatively rare written production. 1609824;1485794573;asciilifeform;aha, modern 'davinci's notebooks' drown in liquishit. 1609825;1485794584;mircea_popescu;there's an overproduction of written material today ; writing something of that nature is exactly akin to braying in the public market. it helps no one and degrades a scarce resource. 1609826;1485794595;asciilifeform;consider the difficulty of getting thinking folx to so much as consider al schwartz's parity violator. 1609827;1485794609;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I'm not designing an atomic dirigible. I'm catching up on all the learning I've forsaken over the past four years to build Masamune. Yes, the eventual goal is to make a lispm, but it isn't as if I'm skipping meals to do CPU design. 1609828;1485794661;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: 'catching up on missed learning' would look more like, say, working through exercises in feynman, say 1609829;1485794675;asciilifeform;rather than salivation over cutting-edge chemistries 1609830;1485794729;mircea_popescu;lol fabulous, he's dropped that to find a deeper fold to retreat into. who's gonna tell him he's wasting his time NAO BITCH!!!1 1609831;1485794751;gabriel_laddel_p;Dropped what? 1609832;1485794757;mircea_popescu;dude, just because you're male doesn't imply you should try and emulate ascaris lumbricoides. 1609833;1485794780;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel_p you're going the wrong direction. you don't need something MORE abstract to dick around with. 1609834;1485794837;gabriel_laddel_p;I'm still confused about what I dropped. 1609835;1485794856;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: actually i somehow assumed that you wanted the metalens so as to enable chip microphotography in kitchen conditions 1609836;1485794862;asciilifeform;(i.e. without electron microscope) 1609837;1485794869;asciilifeform;it seemed like the obvious reason. 1609838;1485794870;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1609827 << what's this ? 1609839;1485794870;a111;Logged on 2017-01-30 16:43 gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I'm not designing an atomic dirigible. I'm catching up on all the learning I've forsaken over the past four years to build Masamune. Yes, the eventual goal is to make a lispm, but it isn't as if I'm skipping meals to do CPU design. 1609840;1485794899;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo plox to PM regarding possible submission when available thx 1609841;1485794899;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1609842;1485794903;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: me not dropping anything? 1609843;1485794920;mircea_popescu;this is a contradiction. 1609844;1485794972;gabriel_laddel_p;I was adding support for shapefiles and svgs earlier today because the "base layer" of masamune is complete, and I can now rely on it to grow with me moving forwards. 1609845;1485795004;mircea_popescu;o you were ? 1609846;1485795014;trinque;hmph! 1609847;1485795039;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel_p: out of curiosity, how did you go about this? (wrote svg parser from scratch? ...or welded on heathen crapola?) 1609848;1485795063;asciilifeform;and why svg? why not own vector graphics format, made of sexpr ? 1609849;1485795296;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally i fully expect whoever does the graphing work to end up with the core of what will be tmsr sexpr svg in the end. 1609850;1485795304;mircea_popescu;speaking of which phf you still working on that ? 1609851;1485795333;gabriel_laddel_p;http://imgur.com/a/g1Dod 1609852;1485795373;gabriel_laddel_p;asciilifeform: I'm updating an incomplete svg parser someone else wrote + tying it to open government datasets. 1609853;1485795401;gabriel_laddel_p;.svgs are essentially paths you can feed to CLIM:DRAW-POLYGON* 1609854;1485795446;gabriel_laddel_p;shapefiles are heathen nonsense, but it turns out they can be easily converted to json, which CL has plenty of parsers for. 1609855;1485795564;mircea_popescu;mkay. i don't think this is working out for me. 1609856;1485795576;mircea_popescu;!!rated gabriel_laddel_p 1609857;1485795576;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 at 2016/12/01 18:38:14 << Crazed Cali Kid, but at least banging his head against a goldmine rather than a brick wall. 1609858;1485795590;mircea_popescu;!!rate gabriel_laddel_p -1 turns out the appeal was mostly to bang the head. 1609859;1485795591;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8JXSw/?raw=true 1609860;1485795615;mircea_popescu;!!v 28C3E30ED398C25E1278E3DA033B40FB223310615BBD27A87B3E2512D89559BB 1609861;1485795615;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of gabriel_laddel_p from 1 to -1 << turns out the appeal was mostly to bang the head. 1609862;1485796119;asciilifeform;in other shitwares, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2015-October/msg00047.html 1609863;1485796167;asciilifeform;'The usual advice given on the forums now is just to start Gimp running and then leave it alone - don't even touch the keyboard or the mouse, just get up, walk away and go do something else for at least an hour.(Yes, really!) When you come back, Gimp will probably be up and running and you will then have no further problems.' 1609864;1485796187;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: ? 1609865;1485796209;gabriel_laddel_p;mircea_popescu: Would you mind explaining why what I'm doing constitutes "banging my head"? 1609866;1485796826;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mb1.png http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mb2.png << finally found practical use for thermocamera: fast search for bad caps.. 1609867;1485797560;BingoBoingo;lol, well done alf 1609868;1485798773;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://www.rigelcorp.com/fiberoptic.htm << i dun think i can make'em cheaper than this. 1609869;1485798780;asciilifeform;^ anyone test this particular part ? 1609870;1485800261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope 1609871;1485800270;mircea_popescu;how did you find it anyway ? 1609872;1485800333;mircea_popescu;!~later tell gabriel_laddel_p review your record. what have you made that i currently use ? useful means useful, and you're not it. that you're not it in spite of allegedly being capable rather than because incapable does not speak in your favour ; but on the contrary. 1609873;1485800333;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1609874;1485800374;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yandex iirc. 1609875;1485800402;asciilifeform;found also others but that one is cheapest. (though could, now that i think about it, be cheaper still if it omitted the max232 and just spoke raw ttl 0-5v instead of proper rs232.) 1609876;1485800418;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, no, i did test it. the converter is cheap, which means cheap. low q optics. 1609877;1485800459;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the application i am considering does not call for ultra-sensitive optics, though. 'normal people' use fiber to talk over multiple km. in my case -- a few metres, max. 1609878;1485800487;mircea_popescu;perfectly adequate for even 10 meter long lines. i dunno why in my head it was "multikm" 1609879;1485800520;asciilifeform;also apparently toslink comes with ~terrifyingly~ bad receivers, they have too much jitter to work with raw unprocessed rs232, need a manchester encoder. 1609880;1485800534;asciilifeform;and also they have large (comparatively) plugs, which means a ~1cm hole in shield enclosure. 1609881;1485800547;asciilifeform;better imho to use standard fiber and screw jacks, as seen in linked item. 1609882;1485800578;mircea_popescu;if you're going to do this, better use led epoxy'd into laser cut (or sharp exacto knife cut) fibers. 1609883;1485800594;mircea_popescu;then you only need hole as big as the fiber. 1609884;1485800596;asciilifeform;you don't need laser for 'few metres' 1609885;1485800606;mircea_popescu;well no, but if you have it already. 1609886;1485800722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr i have nfi what gimp these people use, but it does not sound like anything i ever used. 1609887;1485800790;asciilifeform;mac 1609888;1485800908;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1609889;1485800924;mircea_popescu;the best advice for mactard is to walk away from the box ; for an hour, a day or ideally forever. 1609890;1485802005;asciilifeform;https://shop.mikroe.com/click/interface/fiber-opt-33v << finally, what i had in mind. 1609891;1485802029;asciilifeform;^ with schematic. 1609892;1485803135;*;asciilifeform bought a set, will test and post result. 1609893;1485803167;trinque;asciilifeform: top sekret project? 1609894;1485803178;asciilifeform;trinque: just obvious line of inquiry 1609895;1485803204;asciilifeform;tested a 'BUD Industries' cast aluminum and elastic conductor gasket rf box , recently, incidentally. 1609896;1485803207;asciilifeform;worx great. 1609897;1485803270;asciilifeform;(most elementary test: place pnojes, and other small but reasonably powerful rf-emitting gadgets inside, and try and connect to'em) 1609898;1485804079;*;asciilifeform idly wonders if at the end of this experiment he will end up with physically ~same box as what mircea_popescu made. 1609899;1485804273;mircea_popescu;seems to be going that way. 1609900;1485804493;asciilifeform;oddly enough, the biggest conundrum in 'make a microwaveable comp' seems to be... the power switch 1609901;1485804527;asciilifeform;so far best i can think of is a third fiber (on top of usual rx and tx) connected to phototransistor and power fet. 1609902;1485804554;asciilifeform;runner up is reed switch and magnet. 1609903;1485804662;asciilifeform;there is also mercury tilt switch, then entire unit becomes own power switch 1609904;1485804675;asciilifeform;but has down-sides, can waste battery during transport. 1609905;1485804692;asciilifeform;and will probably get the owner gassed immediately in any airport. 1609906;1485804701;asciilifeform;(picture what this'd look like on xray) 1609907;1485805642;mircea_popescu;a... bomb. 1609908;1485806107;asciilifeform;aha, stereotypical, 'not even trying to be subtle' bomb 1609909;1485806125;asciilifeform;probably adequate even for the automated image recognition nonsense to ring the bell. 1609910;1485806171;asciilifeform;(ever see the test boxes the scanner vendors include ? they're more or less this, iron box with battery, wires, mercury switch...) 1609911;1485806206;BingoBoingo;!!up walter_ 1609912;1485806206;deedbot;walter_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1609913;1485806211;asciilifeform;betcha you couldn't even ~mail~ this gadget, much less take on airplane. 1609914;1485806215;BingoBoingo;walter_: Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1609915;1485806386;walter_;I quite didn't expect that question 1609916;1485806596;mircea_popescu;!!up walter_ 1609917;1485806596;deedbot;walter_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1609918;1485806611;walter_;Hi all. Thanks for the +v. Missed this channel. 1609919;1485806619;mircea_popescu;and who might you be ? 1609920;1485806642;walter_;right now I'm a trilema.com reader wondering why this: http://trilema.com/robots.txt 1609921;1485806680;mircea_popescu;!~google "ia_archiver" 1609922;1485806681;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Alexa's Web and Site Audit Crawlers – Alexa Support: ; ia_archiver user-agent / bot - BotReports.com: ; ia_archiver : to block or not to block? - Alternative Search ...: 1609923;1485806690;mircea_popescu;heh. because piece of shit. 1609924;1485806713;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577731 ?? 1609925;1485806713;a111;Logged on 2016-12-05 13:54 walter__: phf, what's special about 2005 ThinkPads? 1609926;1485806771;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577755 1609927;1485806771;a111;Logged on 2016-12-05 14:07 mircea_popescu: in which vein, register a key first. 1609928;1485806831;walter_;mircea_popescu, I would ban that too, but looks it also affects archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://trilema.com/* 1609929;1485806840;mircea_popescu;that is a benefit. 1609930;1485806860;mircea_popescu;archive.org belongs the same place wikipedia.org belongs. 1609931;1485806908;walter_;the USA? 1609932;1485806935;mircea_popescu;same place the written record left by the hittite empire went. 1609933;1485806952;mircea_popescu;they call it lethe. 1609934;1485806957;mircea_popescu;it's a river down south. 1609935;1485807032;walter_;"the Lethe flowed around the cave of Hypnos and through the Underworld, where all those who drank from it experienced complete forgetfulness" 1609936;1485807084;walter_;sorry not sure I understood 1609937;1485807116;BingoBoingo;Are you sure? 1609938;1485807127;mircea_popescu;he just said he's not sure 1609939;1485807340;walter_;I'm too stupid for the puzzle. What's wrong with archive.org? 1609940;1485807480;mircea_popescu;run by terrorists. i prefer archive.is 1609941;1485807730;walter_;I'm archiving important stuff recently, and noticed trilema.com responses do not contain Last-Modified header. Is it on purpose? 1609942;1485808234;mircea_popescu;not really 1609943;1485808245;mircea_popescu;though trilema articles don't actually change. do you mean the root ? or the comments ? 1609944;1485808314;walter_;any page 1609945;1485808347;walter_;e.g. http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ 1609946;1485808383;mircea_popescu;yeah '; what i'm asking is, are you trying to get a signal when there's new comments ? because otherwise trilema articles do not change. 1609947;1485808414;walter_;oh, no. I'm using wget to save websites locally. It relies on Last-Modified to know if it should re-download the page. 1609948;1485808441;mircea_popescu;so it shouldn't. 1609949;1485808447;mircea_popescu;!!up walter_ 1609950;1485808447;deedbot;walter_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1609951;1485808498;walter_;but it does, because the header is missing 1609952;1485808548;mircea_popescu;so is it buggy then ? 1609953;1485808568;walter_;from HTTP and wget perspective, I'd say yes 1609954;1485808591;walter_;but this is so common in the internet to ignore Last-Modified that you could argue ;) 1609955;1485808640;mircea_popescu;your tool i mean. since it's redownloading when it shouldn't. 1609956;1485808682;mircea_popescu;if a website doesn't provide "last modified", is it logical to assume that it never changes or that it just changed ? 1609957;1485808704;walter_;there's no way to tell 1609958;1485808733;mircea_popescu;and if a girl is passed out, is it logical to assume she's not into getting laid, or that she's really wet for you, or also no way to tell ? 1609959;1485809202;walter_;I'd say the proper way would be for articles to "change" when new comments are added, so the page would be re-downloaded 1609960;1485809614;mircea_popescu;the problem would be that because of how the theme works with the recent comments thing all articles "change" whenever a new comment is added/ 1609961;1485809647;mircea_popescu;i dunno. in truth the maintenance of mp-wp is a bit in the air right now ; but if you want to make a patch by all means. 1609962;1485809690;walter_;oh I get it now. There's a "recent comments" section that ruins the idea 1609963;1485809704;walter_;since its dynamic content 1609964;1485809708;mircea_popescu;kind-of. 1609965;1485809777;walter_;I'm afraid I cannot patch a PHP website. I can only suggest that it gains the ability to respond Last-Modified, perhaps at the cost of removing the dynamic section (should be fine as a separate page) 1609966;1485809796;mircea_popescu;well ok, but what's that do. 1609967;1485809852;walter_;that would allow to optimize syncing of local website copy with the origin 1609968;1485809866;mircea_popescu;no i mean, the suggesting. 1609969;1485809873;walter_;oh.. nothing I guess 1609970;1485810001;walter_;what I'm thinking is how to efficiently replicate and update a copy of a website, to protect from e.g. somebody taking down the site, and banning archive.is in my country 1609971;1485810027;mircea_popescu;well, run a wget, you have the whole list of articles conveniently given in archives. 1609972;1485810035;mircea_popescu;then burn it on a cd or such 1609973;1485810075;walter_;right. That's what I'm doing usually. The problem is updating for new articles. The "sync" takes thousands of HTTP requests 1609974;1485810097;walter_;I usually add delays to not overload the server, so it runs quite long 1609975;1485810138;mircea_popescu;there must be some way to tell wget to not get files you already have. 1609976;1485810152;walter_;there is 1609977;1485810166;walter_;its doable even without Last-Modified 1609978;1485810173;walter_;but not as good ofc 1609979;1485810196;mircea_popescu;it's not just the recent comments ; headers change daily also. 1609980;1485810217;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc there is only 'no-clobber' 1609981;1485810230;asciilifeform;which isn't quite it, iirc it still fetches (why? nfi) the unwanted files. 1609982;1485810355;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483213 << the last wget thread. 1609983;1485810355;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 01:12 mircea_popescu: they're on a different domain, as per wordpress idiocy. and wget is apparently written by imbeciles. 1609984;1485810375;mircea_popescu;heh i c 1609985;1485810404;asciilifeform;quite typical opensores proggy. 1609986;1485810450;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess in desperation bash script to curl for trilema.com/2016/ and then hit each article once. 1609987;1485810506;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in monkeystan, http://archive.is/LANB0 1609988;1485810517;asciilifeform;'Impeachment is gaining ground because it is the only way to get him out, and because Republicans are already deserting this president in droves, and because the man is psychiatrically incapable of checking whether something is legal before he does it.' 1609989;1485810521;mircea_popescu;heh 1609990;1485810532;mircea_popescu;unlike bahamas, of course 1609991;1485810538;mircea_popescu;who had the da lie before the supreme court. 1609992;1485810549;mircea_popescu;"the tax that's not a tax" very psychiatrically sound. 1609993;1485810564;asciilifeform;'They are running for cover on how to kill ObamaCare without killing patients or Republican re-election hopes.' 1609994;1485810568;asciilifeform;lulzy piece. 1609995;1485810611;mircea_popescu;it is safe to say the non-sanctioned republican party wll spend the remainder of its short, unappy life running for an ever more evanescent cover. 1609996;1485810631;mircea_popescu;which isn't particularily surprising, who the fuck actually wants kerry or mccain. 1609997;1485810756;trinque;so, it's gaining ground because an online "petition" ? 1609998;1485810761;trinque;great job, huffpo 1609999;1485810772;mircea_popescu;don't tell me you don't understand "how the world works". 1610000;1485810828;mircea_popescu;they're gonna say it as if it's fact ; on the basis of the hordes of idiots they spawned not being capable of distinguishing fact from writ from fiction. if it catches on good ; if not the "democrat" socialist horde has no memory anyway, so they'll be right there next week importantly sprouting a novel ream of nonsense. as if it were fact ; as if they mattered. 1610001;1485810840;trinque;by now "we did it, reddit!" has leaked into every other rag on the net 1610002;1485810854;mircea_popescu;then walter_ is gonna ask me about standards, apparently on the basis of his impression that such a thing as standards can even exist without l1 signing off. 1610003;1485811058;mircea_popescu;and, of course, no matter what fucking happens, http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ 1610004;1485811134;mircea_popescu;because, of course, "Sepan los nacidos y los que van nacer que nacimos para vencer y no para ser vencidos." 1610005;1485811136;mircea_popescu;and bla bla. 1610006;1485811244;mircea_popescu;incredible that we're still stuck fighting the fucking spanish. won't these idiots just go die already ? they fucked up an empire five centuries ago ; they're still here looking for gifted empires to fuck up. 1610007;1485816501;asciilifeform;in other heathenlulz, http://litecoinblockhalf.com/segwit.php 1610008;1485816531;*;asciilifeform somewhat astonished that litecoin still exists 1610009;1485816730;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: BBQcoin to my knowledge still "exists" 1610010;1485816791;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/reminder-hussein-bahamas-banned-iraqi-refugees-by-executive-order-in-2011/ << Qntra - Reminder: Hussein Bahamas Banned Iraqi Refugees By Executive Order In 2011 1610011;1485817159;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: still emits blocks regularly..? 1610012;1485817179;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Don't care enough to look 1610013;1485817281;mircea_popescu;republic of china also still exists! 1610014;1485817468;BingoBoingo;But the shitlords at the UN took their seat away and gave it to the Chicoms! 1610015;1485817476;mircea_popescu;aha 1610016;1485821385;BingoBoingo;Diesel piss injector fluid https://i.redditmedia.com/SMPez8fdNyAiv6Hm8DGnZXbNlvEGMYa1bJYj9MkpMwI.jpg?w=1024&s=3f037d128b77330e4d2b5457e7468484 1610017;1485821554;ben_vulpes;going to bounce logs.bvulpes.com a few times here shortly 1610018;1485821785;asciilifeform;!~later tell danielpbarron your www is down ? 1610019;1485821785;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1610020;1485821858;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: for a few days now, i think he's waiting for me to cough a mp-wp up 1610021;1485821982;asciilifeform;aah 1610022;1485822093;danielpbarron;yz 1610023;1485822118;danielpbarron;sorry about that, but all of my posts are archived.is'd if you need something in particular 1610024;1485822248;ben_vulpes;(maint over) 1610025;1485826994;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F48F4BA0B89F3E84569480B01FA33F546777F7755B42719B1AFBF70F96BF4444 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1651...8113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.222.228.149 (ssh-rsa key from 176.222.228.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CZ ST) 1610026;1485826994;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F48F4BA0B89F3E84569480B01FA33F546777F7755B42719B1AFBF70F96BF4444 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1357...2489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.222.228.149 (ssh-rsa key from 176.222.228.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CZ ST) 1610027;1485827371;*;ben_vulpes waves at asciilifeform 1610028;1485827471;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-28#1609084 << http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-1-31#5d50b877-ab20-45e2-a046-58727868025f 1610029;1485827471;a111;Logged on 2017-01-28 04:46 asciilifeform: or nm, just drops 'actions' 1610030;1485827490;ben_vulpes;pheexd. 1610031;1485828030;trinque;oya? 1610032;1485828088;asciilifeform; ben_vulpes: neato 1610033;1485828601;ben_vulpes;trinque puzzlingly enough subclassing logbot and defining an ircbot-connect :after method to add the relevant hook (ctcp-action-message, in case anyone is looking for cl-irc action message hooks later) did not result in a hook landing in the connection object that the message-dispatcher would poop into 1610034;1485828693;ben_vulpes;so the patch is currently sitting in logbot code 1610035;1485828857;trinque;dunno why an :after wouldn't work 1610036;1485828874;trinque;there's an :around but it's politely calling call-next-method 1610037;1485828969;trinque;I don't think I'd want to subclass for that though, whole thing just needs to fart raw protocol lines into the db 1610038;1485828991;ben_vulpes;no disagreement on that point. 1610039;1485829082;simonpenner;so what all bitcoin stuff do you all get up to here 1610040;1485829086;simonpenner;since I'm noticing this trend 1610041;1485829107;mircea_popescu;wow that was a broken question. try again ? 1610042;1485829117;asciilifeform;from the dept. of wtf : https://www.adacoin.io/Home/pageContent/introduction 1610043;1485829142;mircea_popescu;and in other news opengl managed to break my machine. gooo team gui! 1610044;1485829147;asciilifeform;this has gotta be the most elaborate heathen shannonization of the l0gz to date 1610045;1485829149;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: wowee 1610046;1485829184;ben_vulpes;ada /and/ cardano? 1610047;1485829196;ben_vulpes;"why don't they like us yet?!" 1610048;1485829206;asciilifeform;and who knows wat else 1610049;1485829210;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think we should just stop playing now, dat usg is just too competent. 1610050;1485829217;asciilifeform;apparently!! 1610051;1485829237;mircea_popescu;suspicious lack of pr0n though. 1610052;1485829238;ben_vulpes;> NAN BILLION TOTAL ADA EXCHANGED BY NOW 1610053;1485829253;asciilifeform;i can't picture this being the only one , also 1610054;1485829282;asciilifeform;ZILLION GOSSIPD EXCHANGED!! 1610055;1485829289;mircea_popescu;i like the font. 1610056;1485829296;ben_vulpes;nanananananananan 1610057;1485829297;ben_vulpes;WATMAN 1610058;1485829318;trinque;where's the upward inflecting graph? hacks 1610059;1485829318;mircea_popescu;i also like the game development <-> apple / google arrow schematics. 1610060;1485829321;mircea_popescu;i think it has potential. 1610061;1485829347;ben_vulpes;my dong has potential 1610062;1485829362;ben_vulpes;trinque: i don't have the appetite for the protocol-level patch atm 1610063;1485829371;asciilifeform;wonder if this was kako's Seekrit Project 1610064;1485829385;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes your dong actually has offspring what. 1610065;1485829387;ben_vulpes;i thought that was an ice cream shop 1610066;1485829404;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: moar spawn, moar potential 1610067;1485829405;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nah that was pre-braindamage kako 1610068;1485829428;mircea_popescu;this is a good point 1610069;1485829464;ben_vulpes;trinque: i briefly looked at https://github.com/jorams/birch but it smells like new 1610070;1485829524;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj: 1610071;1485829527;asciilifeform;http://cardano.io 1610072;1485829557;ben_vulpes;lolwtf 1610073;1485829564;asciilifeform;'A decentralized network system fully-utilizing Blockchain in every aspect, aims at solving current difficulties faced by key cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum, preventing from frauds and money-laundering, ID management and being a mediator with taxing/administrative system in various countries. 1610074;1485829564;asciilifeform;In this network system, Blockchain is used for managing development and release of game applications, players matching, game fairness and payment function.' 1610075;1485829571;ben_vulpes;there is so much js on that page my poor computer cannot cope 1610076;1485829573;trinque;ben_vulpes: I'd rather get some gossipd work rolling than put any more effort into hugging the IRC turd tighter 1610077;1485829584;ben_vulpes;scrolling at three frames per second! 1610078;1485829598;ben_vulpes;trinque: aye, witcha 1610079;1485829611;ben_vulpes;the odd surgical cut ain't so bad 1610080;1485829611;trinque;we could implement the stuff ircbot actually uses in cl-irc as one macro, a socket, and a ping/pong loop 1610081;1485829611;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it's optimized for crapplepad 1610082;1485829613;trinque;but, works 1610083;1485829626;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where it renders beautifully 1610084;1485829648;asciilifeform;brain-melting. 1610085;1485829656;ben_vulpes;this is a crapbook! 1610086;1485829670;ben_vulpes;no man js like that is never optimized 1610087;1485829682;ben_vulpes;it is always cobbled together out of five different wordpress themes and four javascript libraries 1610088;1485829688;mircea_popescu;^ 1610089;1485829696;ben_vulpes;i recently saw a wp plugin also pull some near-mb of jsolade in to serve a modal 1610090;1485829704;ben_vulpes;*present* a modal 1610091;1485829712;mircea_popescu;which one is the modal again ? 1610092;1485829731;asciilifeform;at any rate, if somebody feels like a bit of exercise -- would be hilarious, to learn whothefuck, and wai 1610093;1485829752;asciilifeform;and eulora.io when 1610094;1485829752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody because why not. you're welcome. 1610095;1485829769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu delivers. 1610096;1485829778;mircea_popescu;there's also a band which thinks it's tmsr ; and other such things. there is, as previously mentioned, a small island thinks itself "the republic of china". 1610097;1485829780;mircea_popescu;way of the usg. 1610098;1485829815;mircea_popescu;there's a "ukraina" which does ~same as the "us army" does, ie steiner angriffs every other day. 1610099;1485829841;asciilifeform;polish government in exile!!1111 1610100;1485829845;mircea_popescu;which reminds me, i had a dream last night, mosul had been actually conquered by teh coalitioderacy of dounces and they were rebuilding it. 1610101;1485829846;mircea_popescu;in kansas. 1610102;1485829876;ben_vulpes;living arab museum! complete with sectarian warfare! 1610103;1485829900;ben_vulpes;put it a mile down the road from the amish 1610104;1485829903;ben_vulpes;wcgw (tm) (r) 1610105;1485829952;mircea_popescu;myeah. the locals were kinda wtf, why does there have to be an "artificial river" ie this muddy trench and they gotta wear weird clothes 1610106;1485829958;mircea_popescu;"but whatever, benefits are ok, i got dental..." 1610107;1485829994;asciilifeform;hey there's already williamsburg. 1610108;1485830006;ben_vulpes;renn fair derps could work the gate for food 1610109;1485830010;mircea_popescu;nobody could speak arabic but "they had been told" by a politruk it's ok to go blawhahelabalawala while waving arms in air 1610110;1485830012;mircea_popescu;so they mostly did 1610111;1485830013;asciilifeform;(18th c. theme park) 1610112;1485830047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah i think this was mostly dreamscape reinterpretation of my one time at some renaissance faire. 1610113;1485830054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever hear the ru they 'speak' in american films? 1610114;1485830077;asciilifeform;i always wanted to know, who came up with that. 1610115;1485830088;mircea_popescu;hey, you should hear the latin they speak at "ivy league" "classics". 1610116;1485830099;asciilifeform;unfortunately i have 1610117;1485830101;mircea_popescu;possibly same person came up with both. 1610118;1485830118;mircea_popescu;blawhahelabalawala! 1610119;1485830133;asciilifeform;hey it was on trilema.io!!! 1610120;1485830138;asciilifeform;must be tru. 1610121;1485830152;mircea_popescu;i think the trilema.io is actually trilema.com or something. 1610122;1485830186;asciilifeform;nope? 1610123;1485830194;asciilifeform;it's a null it seems 1610124;1485830208;mircea_popescu;oh ? im sure there was something 1610125;1485830245;asciilifeform;at any rate, Unknown Hero wins asciilifeform's bronze trololol'o'today medal 1610126;1485830254;ben_vulpes;"First, we're releasing a database migration tool that lets you migrate data from your Parse app to any MongoDB database" << oh that's kind of you 1610127;1485830290;ben_vulpes;"our developer finger trap didn't work at all, so we're going to get you stuck in this other one" 1610128;1485830338;asciilifeform;'Parse' ? 1610129;1485830341;asciilifeform;wassat 1610130;1485830373;ben_vulpes;near as i ever figured out, some heinous mishmash of "totally not localstorage" and "mongo" "in the cloud" 1610131;1485830384;ben_vulpes;"db for mobile apps" 1610132;1485830412;ben_vulpes;i mean what, a rest api can't be *that* damagingly expensive for a well-funded sv startup 1610133;1485830424;ben_vulpes;and if it is, compiling libpq into your app and generating keys client side is trivial 1610134;1485830434;*;mircea_popescu imagines how sad things would have been if the computers of the 1990s were tablets instead. 1610135;1485830435;ben_vulpes;blech 1610136;1485830449;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it's all inane insider baseball from the gilded cage 1610137;1485830454;ben_vulpes;> insider babble 1610138;1485830482;ben_vulpes;anyways, survived train ride without rupturing bladder. now to sea of dopamine, ttyl 1610139;1485830799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i actually had an msdos tablet 1610140;1485830805;asciilifeform;i shit thee not 1610141;1485830817;asciilifeform;'ncr penpad', from dumpster 1610142;1485830833;mircea_popescu;was it any good ? 1610143;1485830856;asciilifeform;it got me into badhabit of 'comp in bed' 1610144;1485830862;asciilifeform;so in that sense, terrible 1610145;1485830885;asciilifeform;otherwise spiffy. 20MB hdd! 1610146;1485830913;asciilifeform;b&w lcd, 640x480 with reflector (no lamp) 1610147;1485830924;asciilifeform;386 20MHz iirc. 1610148;1485830940;asciilifeform;sufficed for plenty of things. 1610149;1485831021;asciilifeform;https://randoc.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/ncr-3125/ << heeere we go 1610150;1485831025;asciilifeform;photo. 1610151;1485831172;asciilifeform;that thing was ~glorious~. 1610152;1485831194;asciilifeform;esp to a kid who never even saw a laptop close-up 1610153;1485831355;mircea_popescu;i can see it 1610154;1485831488;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/30/business/the-executive-computer-what-a-more-powerful-pen-based-computer-can-do.html << vintage propaganda re subj 1610155;1485831624;asciilifeform;lulzily, the only i/o was... laplink! 1610156;1485831879;mircea_popescu;i had a ~9 lb laptop cca 1995 that could almost play master of orion 1610157;1485831881;mircea_popescu;the thing sucked. 1610158;1485833646;asciilifeform;games were a ~nonstarter on old lappies, dualscan lcd! 1610159;1485833650;asciilifeform;'snail trail' 1610160;1485837938;asciilifeform;btw i nearly forgot, that pen box had 100% STEEL case 1610161;1485837957;asciilifeform;hence the astonishing weight 1610162;1485837991;asciilifeform;where do i buy a steel lappy nao? 1610163;1485840905;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1609850 << i am, but it's in the list of things i need to accomplish. i want to wrap up "blame" next, and i can work no graphs after 1610164;1485840905;a111;Logged on 2017-01-30 16:55 mircea_popescu: speaking of which phf you still working on that ? 1610165;1485840929;mircea_popescu;worx 1610166;1485867456;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/agePU/?raw=true 1610167;1485867456;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1610168;1485872814;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ty fxd 1610169;1485872842;shinohai;o/ cheers and gm! 1610170;1485872966;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/01/roger-ver-presents-bitcoin-com-presents-bitcoin-unlimited-mining-pool-goes-over-on-blocksize-gets-orpaned/ << Qntra - Roger Ver Presents Bitcoin.com Presents "Bitcoin" Unlimited Mining Pool Goes Over On Blocksize, Gets Orphaned 1610171;1485873852;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.debian.org/security/2017/dsa-3775 1610172;1485873859;asciilifeform;'Multiple vulnerabilities have been discovered in tcpdump, a command-line network traffic analyzer. These vulnerabilities might result in denial of service or the execution of arbitrary code.' 1610173;1485873872;asciilifeform;Run Moar Debian. 1610174;1485875247;asciilifeform;in other monkeystan chatter, 'Pence is sane enough to oppose rash acts involving, say, the evisceration of all U.S. military alliances, or America's first use of nuclear weapons - and presumably, if things got bad enough, other Trump cabinet members might also be inclined to oust their boss and replace him with his vice president. Congress would have to acquiesce in a permanent 25th Amendment 1610175;1485875253;asciilifeform;removal, but if Pence and half the cabinet declared Trump unfit, even a Republican-controlled Congress would likely fall in line.' 1610176;1485875370;asciilifeform;(source -- http://archive.is/3mkfG ) 1610177;1485875411;asciilifeform;and to top off the lulzfest, http://archive.is/jMArA : 'Microsoft Corp said it has been cooperating with the Washington State Attorney General's Office, which is suing in federal court to stop President Donald Trump's order restricting immigration from several Muslim countries.' 1610178;1485878033;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: funfact kindergarten cop is a textbook "comedic thriller" 1610179;1485878248;thestringpuller;In other "news" >> https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/01/31/1425259/netgear-exploit-found-in-31-models-lets-hackers-turn-your-router-into-a-botnet 1610180;1485879898;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDE2BA903B5B33E79BA63AD7CD4401DB427E8E77C8E4A31789667B9AC97619BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1373...5033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.125.140.228 (ssh-rsa key from 85.125.140.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (85-125-140-228.static.upcbusiness.at. AT) 1610181;1485879898;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDE2BA903B5B33E79BA63AD7CD4401DB427E8E77C8E4A31789667B9AC97619BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1377...9033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.125.140.228 (ssh-rsa key from 85.125.140.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (85-125-140-228.static.upcbusiness.at. AT) 1610182;1485880032;Framedragger;!$ssh 85.125.140.228 1610183;1485880032;scriba;ssh banner of 85.125.140.228 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 1610184;1485880235;asciilifeform;Framedragger: neato 1610185;1485880284;Framedragger;(i'm afraid i won't have much time to work on bot or anything for the next ~two months, though. will maintain things and slowly move ahead, tho.) 1610186;1485884073;ben_vulpes;shinohai: that is a funny tweet from gavin 1610187;1485884119;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: h1b pipeline jeopardized? 1610188;1485884140;shinohai;haha ben_vulpes .... his tweets are just more of same butthurt and wtf since the "But he *is* satoshi* thing. 1610189;1485884159;shinohai;All Unlimited is now superior to core things. 1610190;1485884209;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: h1b from obummer's Badness Enumeration List ~= 0 1610191;1485884290;shinohai;"I'm half-Latina, my mother full-blooded. My father is white. At Thanksgiving, I was having a discussion with another relative when my dad's aunt called me a Communist and started chanting 'Build that wall.' Should I write her off?" 1610192;1485884309;shinohai;hmmmm 1610193;1485884488;thestringpuller;i've never seen h1b1 used for its "intended purpose". at first coal mine, director would hire h1b applicants over the norm due to cost. 1610194;1485884522;thestringpuller;ended up turning the place into almagamation of sweatshop and click farm... 1610195;1485885659;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B222AE99114C968292A3E25BF957904F867CAC0764829606CE8713E800CC79E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1711...1857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.248.243.31 (ssh-rsa key from 201.248.243.31 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (201-248-243-31.dyn.dsl.cantv.net. VE) 1610196;1485885659;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B222AE99114C968292A3E25BF957904F867CAC0764829606CE8713E800CC79E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1770...5107 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.248.243.31 (ssh-rsa key from 201.248.243.31 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (201-248-243-31.dyn.dsl.cantv.net. VE) 1610197;1485886212;asciilifeform;in other adanoose, appartently 1610198;1485886221;asciilifeform;type Foo is range 0 .. (2**64)-1; 1610199;1485886234;asciilifeform;barfs gcc: 1610200;1485886244;asciilifeform;'integer type definition bounds out of range' 1610201;1485886277;asciilifeform;because -- marvel of marvels, gcc has nfi how to generate bounded unsigned 64bit types in ada on x86-64. 1610202;1485886320;asciilifeform;now, type U64 is mod 2**64; works 1610203;1485886343;asciilifeform;but this gives you a C-style 'modular type' -- e.g., it can overflow and underflow. 1610204;1485886352;asciilifeform;motherfucking tards. 1610205;1485886950;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/lethargy-part-6/ << Trilema - Lethargy, part 6 1610206;1485887436;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610170 << ok i lolled. 1610207;1485887436;a111;Logged on 2017-01-31 14:29 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/roger-ver-presents-bitcoin-com-presents-bitcoin-unlimited-mining-pool-goes-over-on-blocksize-gets-orpaned/ << Qntra - Roger Ver Presents Bitcoin.com Presents "Bitcoin" Unlimited Mining Pool Goes Over On Blocksize, Gets Orphaned 1610208;1485887523;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610174 << wtf are they smoking over at nytimes retreat ? vp is not involved in nucular deployments. 1610209;1485887523;a111;Logged on 2017-01-31 15:07 asciilifeform: in other monkeystan chatter, 'Pence is sane enough to oppose rash acts involving, say, the evisceration of all U.S. military alliances, or America's first use of nuclear weapons - and presumably, if things got bad enough, other Trump cabinet members might also be inclined to oust their boss and replace him with his vice president. Congress would have to acquiesce in a permanent 25th Amendment 1610210;1485887551;mircea_popescu;also, amendments to the constitution aren't made by congress. 1610211;1485887560;shinohai;I like the "America's first use of nuclear weapons" part. 1610212;1485887574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they dun need an amendment to dethrone president 1610213;1485887578;shinohai;"We all slept in history class" 1610214;1485887580;mircea_popescu;jesus turns out the "our democracy" folk had been living in a full on play-by-the-ear dictatorship since the 70s ? they have nfi how anything works do they ? 1610215;1485887603;asciilifeform;30s 1610216;1485887603;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc yeltsin won this dispute in practice. 1610217;1485887611;mircea_popescu;they could use some howitzers ; they ain't got 'em. 1610218;1485887658;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610175 << pence and half the cabinet ?! what is this, our democracy ? 1610219;1485887658;a111;Logged on 2017-01-31 15:07 asciilifeform: removal, but if Pence and half the cabinet declared Trump unfit, even a Republican-controlled Congress would likely fall in line.' 1610220;1485887706;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 68.65.169.6 1610221;1485887717;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 62.102.148.183 1610222;1485887737;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 213.127.32.7 1610223;1485887766;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 71.232.150.212 1610224;1485887767;scriba;ssh banner of 71.232.150.212 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u2 1610225;1485887826;mircea_popescu;this has been a random sampling of the ips leaked by people connecting today. Framedragger, any idea why only 1 in 4 is in your list ? evidently the ips are routable ; can you check if you talked to them and htey didn't respond, or just didn't talk to them ? 1610226;1485887863;mircea_popescu;also this is very nice item. 1610227;1485887882;*;asciilifeform guesses that they belong to luser boxes, i.e. konsoomer routers, no ssh 1610228;1485887907;Framedragger;will check later! main guess is that there's no actuall ssh server running on port 22 (or rather, there was none at time of scan.) would be great to know the overall statistics, yes. 1610229;1485887916;Framedragger;the `ssh` command should take multiple IPs per msg, btw 1610230;1485887951;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610191 << the aunt is right ; "latinos" don't belong in civilised society. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-30#1610004 1610231;1485887951;a111;Logged on 2017-01-31 17:38 shinohai: "I'm half-Latina, my mother full-blooded. My father is white. At Thanksgiving, I was having a discussion with another relative when my dad's aunt called me a Communist and started chanting 'Build that wall.' Should I write her off?" 1610232;1485887951;a111;Logged on 2017-01-30 21:18 mircea_popescu: because, of course, "Sepan los nacidos y los que van nacer que nacimos para vencer y no para ser vencidos." 1610233;1485887978;Framedragger;(is this to be expected, statistically speaking, and so on. but yes have logs, will check ~tomorrow or today) 1610234;1485887980;mircea_popescu;Framedragger was planning to use it as a snide "you're leaking ip" for noobs' benefit 1610235;1485887987;mircea_popescu;no rush whatever. 1610236;1485887988;Framedragger;:) 1610237;1485888058;shinohai;Stupid hotel I'm in has only ipv6 addys 1610238;1485888071;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610204 << wait so ada is brokened ? 1610239;1485888071;a111;Logged on 2017-01-31 18:12 asciilifeform: motherfucking tards. 1610240;1485888073;thestringpuller;segwit addys 1610241;1485888085;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, "the gcc ada implementation" 1610242;1485888101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even this, is debatable 1610243;1485888142;asciilifeform;i've been pondering subj for ~hour nao; it is not entirely clear that '100% machinewordsize-independent arithmetic' is compatible with 'zero-surprise compilation on all machines' 1610244;1485888171;asciilifeform;it's an abstraction leak that is not trivially pluggable. 1610245;1485888280;asciilifeform;as per ada standard, in order to have a constrained type (e.g., type foo is range 0 .. 10; ) the compiler must find a X such that X is representable on the machine as a fixint, and range of X is larger than asked-for range 1610246;1485888312;asciilifeform;so it'll turn type Foo is range 0 .. 10; into type Foo is Integer range 0 .. 10 ; 1610247;1485888354;asciilifeform;even type Foo is range 0 .. (2**63)-1; worx on x64, because there is a superset, i.e. range 0 .. 2**64 . 1610248;1485888379;asciilifeform;but if there is no fixint superset, there cannot, apparently, exist the constrained type. 1610249;1485888425;asciilifeform;seeeee this is what i mean when i say 'hardware is catastrophically retarded' 1610250;1485888446;shinohai;^ ah ha! 1610251;1485888511;asciilifeform;and no, you can't gabriel_laddel over this boojum, and 'work around in software automagically', result will be a massive time AND space penalty at a seemingly arbitrary boundary (i.e. if you had bignumatron kick in above the can't-fixnum-no-moar threshhold) 1610252;1485888549;asciilifeform;likewise default assumption in ada world is that there is not necessarily a heap. (safety-critical proggies typically use NO HEAP EVER) 1610253;1485888562;asciilifeform;so you ~must~ have fixnum arithmetic. 1610254;1485888597;asciilifeform;this is, as i see it, a philosophical problem, and i post it here for that reason. 1610255;1485888661;asciilifeform;this is not as simple as 'gcc suxxxxx, let's fix gcc'. because i have nfi what The Right Thing looks like here. 1610256;1485888753;asciilifeform;and the 'doctor, it hurts when i do that! --- so stop doing that!' option is NOT available, as bitcoin's protocol mandates a 'compactsize' variable-bitness integer idiocy that maxes out at unsigned 64bit. ( see http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0192 ) . 1610257;1485888918;asciilifeform;now! IN PRACTICE! any bitcoin message with a 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF varint in it, is an eggog, because max message length is smaller than this. 1610258;1485888919;ben_vulpes;compact size is an excellent example of a throwaway "engineering" decision that imposes rather a lot of costs on the future 1610259;1485888935;asciilifeform;but this is small comfort 1610260;1485889032;asciilifeform;i will explain why: 1610261;1485889057;asciilifeform;let's say we go type Btc_Varint is range 0 .. (2**63)-1; 1610262;1485889069;asciilifeform;(and then define the correct reader, writer, for streams, i am omitting these here for clarity) 1610263;1485889108;asciilifeform;this will never result in a block verification eggog (varints are used ONLY for counts of entitites, and no bitcointronic subentity contains 2**64 of anything, or could, by the classical rules) 1610264;1485889127;asciilifeform;BUT! now an enemy can distinguish your node from satoshi node, by when the connection barfs. potentially. 1610265;1485889138;asciilifeform;(by injecting a 2**64 varint in some message.) 1610266;1485889432;asciilifeform;this, i suppose, is not a mega-discovery, it is just trivial fact that you cannot 100% match the semantics of a broken system without being broken in all of the exactly same ways (in this case, over/under-flowable arithmetic) 1610267;1485889470;asciilifeform;that being said, my current understanding is that no bitcoin message containing a varint equalling 2**64 is ever possibly valid. 1610268;1485889479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ does this match your calculation ? 1610269;1485889487;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ? et al 1610270;1485889506;asciilifeform;(2**64 -1 rather !!!!) 1610271;1485889516;asciilifeform;2**64 is a 65-bit number. 1610272;1485889571;asciilifeform;proposition: 'no valid bitcoingram contains a varint greater than 2**63 -1 ', let's say. tru? 1610273;1485889574;asciilifeform;or not. 1610274;1485889678;asciilifeform;pretty sure that nothing ever hits even 2**32-1. 1610275;1485889681;asciilifeform;varint-wise. 1610276;1485889733;asciilifeform;(a 1MB block cannot, no matter how much you might want, ever hold > 1048576 of ANYTHING!) 1610277;1485889823;asciilifeform;as for mempool messages, we have , in current trb : 1610278;1485889824;asciilifeform;inline unsigned int ReceiveBufferSize() { return 1000*GetArg("-maxreceivebuffer", 10*1000); } 1610279;1485889832;asciilifeform;inline unsigned int SendBufferSize() { return 1000*GetArg("-maxsendbuffer", 10*1000); } 1610280;1485889879;asciilifeform;some idiot ~could~ enable receipt of 4GB messages. but exabyte ?? 1610281;1485890436;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551706 <<< directly related old thread. 1610282;1485890436;a111;Logged on 2016-10-03 16:20 asciilifeform: i will give example here, to nail in the point: 1610283;1485890892;asciilifeform;we are looking at a real engineering constraint, flowing from the broken way in which c-machine implements the ring of integers. 1610284;1485892117;*;asciilifeform idly wonders if ye olde https://www.engadget.com/2015/05/01/boeing-787-dreamliner-software-bug/ was an instance of 'can't do 64bit unsigned int as constrained range type on any extant iron' 1610285;1485893910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think "zero surprise compilation on all machines" is a notable or even desirable concern. 1610286;1485893919;mircea_popescu;go, make "zero surprises compilation" on intel pentiums. 1610287;1485893944;mircea_popescu;machine's problems must be solved by machines ; software is the standard they are led to much like the erect cock is the standard women are held to. 1610288;1485893986;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 108.82.224.168 1610289;1485894063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on no extant cpu can you apply range constraint predicate to a bus-wide fixnum. think about it. 1610290;1485894118;mircea_popescu;seems like a strange sort of fencing error. vaguely reminiscent of the whole "is 1 inch pipe 1 inch outside or inside ?" debacle for apprentice plumbers 1610291;1485894133;mircea_popescu;it bloody well can't be 1 inch in all the ways 1610292;1485894234;asciilifeform;think: you can cmp rax, 0xffffffffffffffff . but you cannot cmp rax, 0x10000000000000000 , it dun matter how much you want to. 1610293;1485894243;mircea_popescu;yea. 1610294;1485894246;asciilifeform;whole notion of a fixnum, is this. 1610295;1485894296;mircea_popescu;why ? 1610296;1485894304;asciilifeform;it has finite bitness. 1610297;1485894318;mircea_popescu;why is this the whole notion of a fixnum ? 1610298;1485894417;asciilifeform;fixnum is the term of art for the mathematical object that you end up with when you arithmetize on registers of particular physical size. 1610299;1485894478;mircea_popescu;that's a part of the thing. consider, why isn't "the whole notion of fixnum" that if you b = size+1 then b = 0 ? 1610300;1485894523;asciilifeform;this comes with the territory of 'naked' register. in ada you have to explicitly ask for this horror, it is called 'modular type'. all c types are it. 1610301;1485894548;mircea_popescu;so there's at least two "whole notion of fixnum is this" 1610302;1485894554;asciilifeform;but ada also introduces notion of sane (non-underflowing and non-overflowing, and in fact arbitrarily constrained) types. 1610303;1485894565;asciilifeform;they are necessarily implemented on top of machine fixints. 1610304;1485894592;mircea_popescu;well good for it, but if it introduces it without providing it then ada's an idea man ; we have plenty of these up in wash dc. their product is called "unfunded mandates". 1610305;1485894598;asciilifeform;(a set of comparisons gets inserted by compiler on any operation that could result in walking out of the bounds) 1610306;1485894626;mircea_popescu;would be saner to add a mod at the tail of each op. 1610307;1485894630;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in all fairness this was only a surprise to asciilifeform because he is a n00b; the b00k warns explicitly, in black on white letters. 1610308;1485894638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what the fuck will a mod do ?? 1610309;1485894648;mircea_popescu;cut the value to size 1610310;1485894657;asciilifeform;BUT WE DO NOT WANT 1610311;1485894658;asciilifeform;to cut it. 1610312;1485894675;mircea_popescu;what do we want ? 1610313;1485894676;asciilifeform;we gotta ring red alarm , reactor is melting, if an arithmetic op results in exceeding range. 1610314;1485894698;mircea_popescu;the thing is called modular exponentiation you know :D 1610315;1485894714;asciilifeform;same as if you try to add 1 to a foo where type Foo is range 0 .. 10; and Q: Foo; and Q was already 10. 1610316;1485894737;asciilifeform;it is NOT the same as 'modular arithmetic', modular arithmetic is the behaviour of the native iron that we are going AWAY from here. 1610317;1485894745;mircea_popescu;aite. 1610318;1485894758;asciilifeform;y'know, the one where the boeing 787 engine melted. 1610319;1485894763;asciilifeform;and other beautiful things. 1610320;1485894788;mircea_popescu;so basically, what my mind has strained from this convo, is that ada implements bound checking badly ; in that it (wrongly) assumes that it can always source a larget item to compare to, like < size+1. 1610321;1485894795;mircea_popescu;should do <= size instead. 1610322;1485894812;asciilifeform;it implements it in the only way that is guaranteed to be invariant, and run in constant spacetime, on all iron. 1610323;1485894820;mircea_popescu;< as opposed to <= ? 1610324;1485894820;asciilifeform;by comparison to a constant. 1610325;1485894829;asciilifeform;problem is that you cannot represent MAXINT+1 as a constant !! 1610326;1485894830;asciilifeform;on any box! 1610327;1485894832;mircea_popescu;dude, stop picking the irrelevant. pick the meat of what i say. 1610328;1485894845;mircea_popescu;your choice is either < maxint + 1 or else <= maxint 1610329;1485894852;mircea_popescu;why the fucksticks did you pick the first. 1610330;1485894860;asciilifeform;maxint+1 DOESN'T SIT DOWN IN YOUR REGISTER 1610331;1485894861;asciilifeform;srsly 1610332;1485894865;asciilifeform;think for a minute. 1610333;1485894869;mircea_popescu;i think i'm done with this convo. 1610334;1485894880;asciilifeform;the fact won't go away if you put head in sand. 1610335;1485894889;mircea_popescu;so then why do you ? 1610336;1485894918;mircea_popescu;DO NOT implement bounds checking as "smaller than bound +1". DO implement bounds checking as "smaller or equal than bound". 1610337;1485894928;asciilifeform;pick a cpu, any cpu, let's work example ? 1610338;1485894964;mircea_popescu;i'm not interested in picking anything. bound checking is to be done by comparing TO THE BOUND not to some other random value picked by the compiler. 1610339;1485894991;asciilifeform;how do you compare to a bound that needs moar bits to represent than the number you are comparing ? 1610340;1485895000;mircea_popescu;and therefore question for type Foo is range 0 .. 10 must always be, is foo <= 10 ; not is foo < 11 1610341;1485895059;asciilifeform;let's revisit the particular of how you can even end up with an X that no longer sits down in 64 bits, using an op on an A and a B which ~do~ 1610342;1485895066;mircea_popescu;because if the programmer said the number 10, the compiler is NOT at liberty to invent magic number 11. 1610343;1485895098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'programmer said 11 -- we beat him with a stick' is trivial. of concern is arithmetic overflow/underflow. 1610344;1485895111;mircea_popescu;... 1610345;1485895157;asciilifeform;in same language, program throws ~runtime~ exception if you EVER try to assign the 11, no matter how it was arrived at 1610346;1485895164;asciilifeform;it isn't a compile-time static thing 1610347;1485895174;mircea_popescu;so then what are you on about ? 1610348;1485895203;asciilifeform;that you can't do this for full machine-width integer. for fundamental reason, turns out. 1610349;1485895215;asciilifeform;you're stuck with 1 bit smaller quantities than the full bus width. 1610350;1485895223;asciilifeform;if you want sane runtime safety. 1610351;1485895243;mircea_popescu;which fundamental reasons entirely consist of "alf the bee dog with his magical black and white spots vision managed to read the expliciting of the < vs <= difference SIX TIMES and ignore it every time" 1610352;1485895271;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it makes no difference ! 1610353;1485895276;mircea_popescu;and why not ? 1610354;1485895276;asciilifeform;guaranteed. try it yourself. 1610355;1485895335;mircea_popescu;are you saying the problem ISN'T after all that "the compiler can't find 0x10000000000000000" as you originalyl stated, but that it can't be arsed to compare to 0xffffffffffffffff instead ? 1610356;1485895391;asciilifeform;comparing to 0xffffffffffffffff is not what the program stated, in the example. and since the compiler is sane, it does not substitute a semantically variant statement to what programmer wrote, under any circumstances. 1610357;1485895395;asciilifeform;instead it barfs. 1610358;1485895401;mircea_popescu;ahem. 1610359;1485895410;mircea_popescu;i thought bounds checking was introduced by the compiler not by the program. 1610360;1485895417;asciilifeform;'you asked me to make 2 equal 4, go fuck yerself' 1610361;1485895434;mircea_popescu;indeed 0x10000000000000000 is not what the program stated ; and indeed the problem is that (if) the compiler adds one to what the program statyed ; it shouldn't do that. 1610362;1485895447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you write down a statement that is logically impossible to transform into compiled code, per the ground rules, it is a compiletime eggog. 1610363;1485895462;asciilifeform;the thing will not, like idiot cpp does, emit some 'but he REALLY WANTED THIS...' 1610364;1485895470;mircea_popescu;if the compile rules do "add one and <" the compiler is wrong ; it should not add one ad <=. 1610365;1485895500;asciilifeform;right! but in order for the machine to KNOW that it cannot, the ranges have to be representable. 1610366;1485895506;mircea_popescu;... 1610367;1485895520;mircea_popescu;the range is 0 to 0xfffffffffffffff. the test is >= 1610368;1485895525;mircea_popescu;the range is 0 to 0xfffffffffffffff. the test is >= 0 and <= 0xfffffffffffffff. 1610369;1485895530;mircea_popescu;that is the test. all of it is representable. 1610370;1485895599;asciilifeform;let x == 0xfffffffffffffff . y = x + 1. is y in range ? 1610371;1485895605;mircea_popescu;the test MAY NOT BE > 0 (or -1 ?) and < 0x10000000000000000. if the compiler does that the compiler is very, very stupid. 1610372;1485895637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 0x10000000000000000 is not in range no ; 0x0 is in range, yes. 1610373;1485895661;mircea_popescu;it's not clear how you represent the y ; but whatever, half questions ftw. 1610374;1485895722;asciilifeform;y is of the constrained type contemplated. 1610375;1485895730;asciilifeform;in this example. and it gotta signal the overflow. 1610376;1485895744;mircea_popescu;is it 64 bit ? 1610377;1485895753;asciilifeform;in this case aha. 1610378;1485895765;mircea_popescu;you get memory access violation for trying to write at offset-1 in memory. 1610379;1485895779;asciilifeform;the cpu NEVER DOES THIS omfg 1610380;1485895784;asciilifeform;is not how 'add' instruction works. 1610381;1485895797;mircea_popescu;i didn't realise the above high level math was stand-in for asm. 1610382;1485895806;mircea_popescu;the cpu does bounds checking in your ada ? 1610383;1485895833;asciilifeform;to make bounds checking happen, on whatever particular cpu, gotta emit not only the add instruction but a few others also 1610384;1485895843;asciilifeform;for addition, this is actually simple on most chips, there is a 'carry' flag 1610385;1485895848;asciilifeform;problem comes with multiplication 1610386;1485895856;mircea_popescu;so if the carry flag is set you blew it. 1610387;1485895863;asciilifeform;aha, for add / sub it is trivial 1610388;1485895869;asciilifeform;now take mul . 1610389;1485895873;mircea_popescu;ok ? 1610390;1485895961;mircea_popescu;so you do 0x100000000 * 0x100000000 and get the carry set and you blew it. 1610391;1485895997;asciilifeform;that doesn't set the carry on x86... 1610392;1485896017;mircea_popescu;so it just returns the same as 0x000000000 + 0x000000000 ? 1610393;1485896070;asciilifeform;nope. x86 (and correspondingly x64) mul gives you ~two~ buswidth-sized results, the bottom and top half of the result. 1610394;1485896081;mircea_popescu;ok, so the carry being set, you blew it. 1610395;1485896106;mircea_popescu;top half being, obviously, THE FUCKING CARRY. 1610396;1485896108;asciilifeform;the top of the result, rather. but yes. on x64 you could!!! have the Right Thing bignumtron. 1610397;1485896123;mircea_popescu;ok. what's this to do with ada i dunno, but anyway, there it is. 1610398;1485896130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'carry' on most chips refers to a physically separate 1bit register. but sure 1610399;1485896148;mircea_popescu;yes but here is used conceptually, as the "top half of the result", be it 1 bit or 1 machine word. 1610400;1485896273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has mega-point --- you CAN make range-checked (at least for upper bound of range not exceeding the native fixint size by more than factor of 2) behaviour on x86 1610401;1485896314;asciilifeform;but iirc the reason why we do not have this behaviour by default is that there are boxes that don't give you the upper bits of an overflowing mul. or set the carry. 1610402;1485896333;mircea_popescu;well i don't see how you can get 3 words by multiplying 1 word with another word. 1610403;1485896348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's also fleshlights. i don't program on those. 1610404;1485896362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's another op defined for ring of integers, that is SHL 1610405;1485896385;asciilifeform;shl can give you as much overflow as you like. 1610406;1485896452;*;asciilifeform goes to the b00kz room to fetch 'ada 2012 rationale', to learn whether he is complete moron, or wat. 1610407;1485896458;mircea_popescu;well yes, but as long as the job is "check for machine word fixed type", the carry will save you. 1610408;1485896591;mircea_popescu;incidentally this whole thing with mul add etc is a fine working example for the in band / out of band discussion. 1610409;1485896631;mircea_popescu;ie, origin ally the philosophical minds prevailed, and a special wire was added (the carry). but then ww2 ended and saner minds prevailed ; thus double sized results on the same bus and the world went back to the peace and prosperity of everything in band. 1610410;1485896673;asciilifeform;actually that second thing only half-happened, you only get a second machineword out of mul on any known chip 1610411;1485896679;asciilifeform;and never from add/sub 1610412;1485896697;mircea_popescu;myeah. but if i ever make a chip myself, there's not going to be fucking carry speshul bit. 1610413;1485896705;asciilifeform;and i 100% agree, it is blitheringly idiotic, let ALL arithm ops return 2wordz!! 1610414;1485896716;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i make a chip, all regs are 1 trit wide. 1610415;1485896719;mircea_popescu;it's literally from like 1939 1610416;1485896727;asciilifeform;throw out the dumb speshulcases. 1610417;1485896738;mircea_popescu;what's a trit 1610418;1485896761;asciilifeform;3-state storage element. 1610419;1485896789;mircea_popescu;ie a glorified pointer ? 1610420;1485896794;asciilifeform;(you can elegantly implement with 2 ordinary binary registers, and use 4th state to store propagating-eggogs, aka NaNs) 1610421;1485896817;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no pointer contemplated, just knuth's trinary arithmetic scheme, familiar from kindergarten. 1610422;1485896880;asciilifeform;but forget, for this thread, trinary adders, you can just as readily have same arithmetron with binary regs 1610423;1485896884;asciilifeform;all regs are 1bit. 1610424;1485896892;asciilifeform;all nums -- 'bignums'. 1610425;1485896921;asciilifeform;this goes back to the 'dma' thread. large machine registers are an ad-hoc and clumsy form of parallelism. 1610426;1485896958;asciilifeform;where, yes, you can add 0xFFF......FFF and 1 in constant time, but the cost is that now some numbers are 'special' 1610427;1485896969;mircea_popescu;are you also going to have serial bus ? 1610428;1485896976;mircea_popescu;machine words exist because bus. 1610429;1485896983;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your box already has serial bus, nyooz at 11. 1610430;1485897001;mircea_popescu;seriously, single wire ? 1610431;1485897037;asciilifeform;not single, but < the actual logical width, almost certainly. 1610432;1485897063;mircea_popescu;and someone somewhere is going to want to talk of it directly rather than haskelly, and so they will use the concept of... machine words. 1610433;1485897078;asciilifeform;so you beat him with sticks. 1610434;1485897083;mircea_popescu;why ? 1610435;1485897091;mircea_popescu;he has a point. 1610436;1485897100;mircea_popescu;multi-wire bus delivers a specified amount of buckshot each fire. 1610437;1485897105;asciilifeform;because folx who want to break logical structure to get 'percept cycle massage' oughta be beaten with sticks. 1610438;1485897109;asciilifeform;*percent 1610439;1485897132;mircea_popescu;the only way to make them wrong would be to make your cpu work without clock and bus cycles. 1610440;1485897136;mircea_popescu;if you can't do that, they have a point. 1610441;1485897142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the correct parallelization scheme is N single-bit ALUs working in concert. 1610442;1485897150;mircea_popescu;and synced how 1610443;1485897151;asciilifeform;rather than arbitrary constant N-wide bus. 1610444;1485897165;asciilifeform;synced with muller gate. 1610445;1485897173;mircea_popescu;you understand, all this, cpu freq, bus aperture, words etc exist because simple and cheap solution to the clock problem 1610446;1485897184;mircea_popescu;maybe. i'd have to see the scheme. 1610447;1485897188;asciilifeform;it is neither simple nor particularly cheap. 1610448;1485897195;asciilifeform;the one thing it is, is ~familiar~. 1610449;1485897197;mircea_popescu;nothing ever is. 1610450;1485897252;asciilifeform;but when you open the hood you discover that there are all kinds of idiocies that 'people live with' because 'what else can you do' 1610451;1485897630;asciilifeform;http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1154 << see also. 1610452;1485897713;asciilifeform;looks like ARM might be the culprit. 1610453;1485897721;mircea_popescu;i couldn't care less what rust dork has to say on any topic. 1610454;1485897747;asciilifeform;!#s regehr 1610455;1485897747;a111;6 results for "regehr", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=regehr 1610456;1485897747;mircea_popescu;rust is pretty much the anti-language ; as someone explained "the red hat decided to present it as the thing and hope for all the idiots to contribute freely to make it the thing for this reason". 1610457;1485897758;mircea_popescu;0 support for usg.rhel "schelling point" delusions. 1610458;1485897781;asciilifeform;first time i see the d00d mention shitlangs. but the overflow thing affects shitlangs just as much as sanelangs. 1610459;1485897813;mircea_popescu;" I’ve heard that this results in a 5-10% slowdown for basically all JavaScript code." 1610460;1485897828;mircea_popescu;dude are you kidding me ; anything in javascript is a 2-500% slowdown over everything else. 1610461;1485897844;asciilifeform;if tomorrow knuth starts to harp about slow $shitlang, mircea_popescu will throw out his copy of aop ? 1610462;1485897890;asciilifeform;regehr is (or at least was) solid thinker, and the problem being spoken of, actually exists. there are archs with no sane overflow handling. and hence why gcc doesn't use, apparently, carry flag. 1610463;1485897891;mircea_popescu;no. and also not the first copy of scheider. 1610464;1485897895;mircea_popescu;but look where the harping got him. 1610465;1485897911;mircea_popescu;idiots, and by this i mean specifically intelligent ones, benefit immensely from warnings 1610466;1485897923;mircea_popescu;especially if they are then followes through with merciless, disfiguring beatings. 1610467;1485897957;mircea_popescu;the best thing you can do for a pianist in general is take a hammer to the fingers of the "most talented piano player of his generation" so he can never as much as open a can of tuna with his own hands ever again. 1610468;1485897972;asciilifeform;there is deep wisdom in this here this. 1610469;1485898000;mircea_popescu;so yes, i'm perfectly willing and entirely able to banish knuth. 1610470;1485898023;asciilifeform;(is knuth even alive still?) 1610471;1485898044;mircea_popescu;bad example, seeing how senescent senility is a fine excuse, but anyway 1610472;1485898130;*;asciilifeform prepares for inevitable long, painful dive into liquishit of gcc internals. 1610473;1485898159;*;asciilifeform cleans bathyscaphe. 1610474;1485900277;*;jurov suspects that all the alf-alikes just barfed at JO instruction "no we want trapping! and true pyrex glass!" 1610475;1485902004;asciilifeform;jurov: let's-have-programs-that-crash is not an admissible alternative. 1610476;1485903036;BingoBoingo; also, amendments to the constitution aren't made by congress. << I think they are referring to section 4 of the 25th amendment, tis a mess 1610477;1485904174;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1610478;1485904182;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 964.13, vol: 9411.65085988 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 947.149, vol: 7155.77275 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 964.54, vol: 19383.26046051 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 972.726, vol: 6204.27230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 969.316, vol: 3287.18573036 | Volume-weighted last average: 963.179653727 1610479;1485904454;BingoBoingo;LOL, Wapo flunkies: American's Support Trump http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/31/reuters_ipsos_muslim_ban_poll_finds_support_for_order.html 1610480;1485904566;ben_vulpes;"generic/Trump-friendly phrasing" 1610481;1485904568;ben_vulpes;zlozlzozl 1610482;1485904834;ben_vulpes;and in other what the everloving shits: https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/31/ycaclu/